Evening journal., 1921-12-07
BASEBALL men
DISCUSS GROH
Some Say Deal Already AS
sures Giants of National
Pennant
NEED
DENIED BY MINORS

BUFFALO, N. Y, Doc. 7 Omitted
ess)-Listonnrs around the lobby
conferences hero today might bo led
to believe that the National League
pennant race next year Is In
The bright lights Of the majors
and the high minds OF the minors
voiced the opinion that John No
Graw's purchase OF Heine Groh, the
Cincinnati third baseman gave the
New York Giants a deadlock on the
next pennant.
Wise baseball heads, however. did
not agree on the business sagacity
OF deal whereby the New York
club gave a valuable outnelder,
George Burns. fair catcher, Mike
Gonzales and a sum reported around
$4,000 for player who has not
more than four or fve years ahead
OF him and no great drawing power
at the gate.
The Giants did not announce what
they handed over with the two play
ers. 1t is known, however, that Garry
Hermann, owner OF the Reds told
the Chicago Cubs that he wanted
S150,OO0 for hb star and that Bill
Killifer, Cub manager said he wasn't
worth It and refused to entertain
deal.
Some sentiment also was express
ed that the deal would not be good
for National League baseball.
There's not much need to play
out the schedule now" one promi-
nent National Lacquer said.
Talk of the Groh deal naturally
was the big noise today as the news
was not known widely until this
morning. Side features OF the deal
also made it popular gossip. In buy
Groh, McGraw gave the greatest sum
ever put up for a player whom he al
lowed to get away from him six
years ago. The reported price puts
a valuation on. Groh s12s5O0 higher
than on Babe Ruth, the former
champion price Of high priced base
ball bric-a-brac.
Many Of the minor leagues also
were taking issue with NJ. d. saXton,
president Of the National Associa-
ton who laid stress on the need Of
retrenchment.
Most of the club owners said that
most OF them made money last sea-
son and that the game is not ION
the rocks"
So FAR the meeting has been gas"
more or less. the Cincinnati Reds
having furnished the real news. In
addition to the Groh deal the Reds
secured Shortstop Caveny from the
San Francisco club in exchange for
I ].
Geary An outfelder was also in the
swap. Chad See was agreed upon il
waivers could be secured on him. but
It was learned that six National
League Clubs would refuse to waive
him out.
Il was announced also that Jack
Coney, who managed the Des Moines
Club had signed a contract to direct
the Hartford Club, of the Eastern
League. Jimmy Cafferey owner OF
the Toronto's International League
club also announced that while a
contract had not been signed he had
agreed on terms with Russell
Lena" Blackburn as his manager.
The sooth-sayers have given up the
job Of getting the scalp OF Miller
/ Higgins manager of the New
York Americans champions Hug
gins said today he had not signed a
new contract but it is taken for
granted that he will remain with the
club.
Hamilton, Ont. is in the field to
land the 1928 convention and so far
is alone in the race. There has been
a little talk OF New Haven or an
other Eastern city but no organized
campaign is being made. Routine
alone is on the program for today
An executive session is on this
morning and an open meeting in the
/ afternoon