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New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1921-08-07
Price of Nobility Falls
With Other Costs i'm Italy
Rome Correspondent Reports
Vatican Reduces Tariffs ON
Titled Dicniiaries

BERLIN, July 29.--The Rome CORE
spondent Of the Berliner Tageblatt re-
ports that all prices are falling in
Italy, including even the prices hitherto
paid for admission to the "highest no.
bility"
The Vatican, at least, this great
source of nobility which for centuries
has been providing Italy and the rest
of the world with princes, dukes and
other patricians. has considerably re-
duced it's tariffs, although the contrary
might have been expected. For in view
Of the immensely increased purchasing
power of the war profteers Tin Italy
called pescicani-f e., sharks) the min
lister Of finance Of the Holy See could
surely impose higher taxes on vanity.
Henceforth, therefore, prince just
for himself must pay 10,6S5 lire, and, if
the title is hereditary, $1,000 lire; q
duke, respectively, $500 or 10000 lire;
marquis, 1850 or $4,000 lire. For a
mere count you pay only 6,45o or 49,
600 lire, and plain baron costs the
trlfie of $500 or 10000 lire.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1921-08-07
Results Clearly vindicate
Judgment of Clemenceau
Tiger" Predicted Embarrassment of War in Six
Months If Vote Was Taken, and Favored
Enforcing Treaty Drafted

program or why he ever agreed to
deprive the Poles Of Danzig. DR.. Bow
man says that In the Council Of Ten
Mr.. Wilson reviewed, in a ma sterly
fashion, the two sides of the question.
emphasizing what had been promised
to the Poles in Article XIII, Of his
declaration of January, 8, 1918, before
a joint session of the Congress Of the
United States" He adds: "Directly
thereafter the Council Of Four was
organized, where decision could be
reached without the bother OF terri
sorial experts. with whose facts, or
any other kind Of facts, except purely
political ones, Lloyd George had no
patience whatever. The next we hear
of the Danzig question Lloyd George
and President Wilson have agreed to
make 1t free state"
How did the little British wizard
hypnotize his American colleague ?
how did ne weary Clemeneeau into
surrender? Some light is thrown on
this mystery by a French publicist, M.
Mermeix, who has reproduced in 8
recent issue of Figaro the CONVERSE
tions over tho Silesian settlement
which took place in the Council Of
Four. These conversations have never
been officially included in the proceed
ings OF the conference, because there
were only two secretaries present at
the meetings at which they occurred,
M. Mantoux and Sir Maurice Hankey.
and the minutes which they took were
never formally approved by President
Wilson and Signor Orlando. But they
were submitted informally to all the
members Of the Council OF -Four and
copies Of them were also circulated
among the representatives of the minor
powers. NJ. Mermeix explains that if
the dialogue as given is not an alb
solutely literal text, it is at least a
genuine analytical version Of the views
exchanged by the august negotiators.
This analytical text. never before pub
lished and of great historical value,
reads as follows:
On June 2, 1919, returning to the
attribution of Silesian territory to
Poland by the Commission on Polish
Affairs ON. Jules Cambon, president),
Mr.. Lloyd George proposed plebiscite.
After setting forth his reasons he
ended with the remark: II am con-
WINGED that the plebiscite will be favor
able to Poland"
The discussion ran through several
sittings.
CLEMENCEAU--So far as Poland is
concerned, there is first Of all, his
terical crime to be repaired. But there
is also need Of creating barrier be-
tween Germany and Russia. You can
read M. Erzberger's interviews. He
asks that Poland shall be kept as weak
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1921-08-07

as possible, since she separates Russia
from Germany. M. Erzberger, adds
that once in relations with Russia
Germany can attack France under more
favorable circumstances than in 1914.
Is that what you want? Germany mas
ter of Russia-that means that our
dead have died in vain. That's all I
have to say for the present on this
subject.
WILSON-A plebiscite for Upper ST.
lesia seems difficult to me. 1t would be
indispensable to. expel the German
functionaries first.
LLOYD GEORGE-Are you referring
to the minor officials?
WILSON-No. / am thinking Of those
who have charge of the administration.
CLEMENCEAU-D forget that in
Germany the central government name
all the mayors.
LLOYD GEORGE concede that the
principal German authorities must quit
the province before the vote.
WILSON-Yes. But there is some
thing more. Fifteen or twenty great
German capitalists are the masters of
Upper Silesia.
CLEMENCEAU - That's the exact
truth. Notably, Henckel Won Donners-
marck
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1921-08-07
cLEMENCEAU-one way or the
other, the Germans will always pro-


CLEMENCEAU-One way or the
other, the Germans will always pro-
test.
LLOYD GEORGE-But the vote will
have taken place. Moreover, how will
the Germans intimidate the industrial
population, which can offer resistance ?
1t was the same thing in Wales, but we
won over the great proprietors.
WILSON-You ara comparing two
things which are not comparable.
LLOYD GEORGE-But tell you that
the elections have been favorable to the
Poles in the whole of the zone in which
we are interested.
WILSON-Then it was case of do
mestic elections, not of a plebiscite on
nationality.
CLEMENCEAU-W haven't prom
ised that there should be plebiscite in
this region.
WILsON-we definitely, what do
you offer US?
LLOYD GEORGE-The same proceed
ure as for East Prussia.
WILSON--And if the Germans refuse
to obey the decision Of the League of
Nations?
CLEMENCEAU--You are going to ask
them for promises. They will promise,
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1921-08-07
Diplomat Says Only U. S. Can
Rescue Austria From Germans
Minister to France Declares SHINES VIII Become
New Master of Country Unless American
Congress Extends Loan Payments

, CURED 3 strong grip on the grss-
sleeping Austrian metallurgicsl indus
try, and he is angling for complete cor
troll He is striving to gain possession
of water power, of Danube transports
ton and Of other industries which will
make him virtually king. He already IS
in control of important sections Of
public opinion through the purchase OF
ridiculous prices of Austrian news
papers. It is not difficult even now to
visualize future map on which Ger.
many will be encircling what was Aus
tria.
I'm the mean time there Is another
danger. / ana not willing to hold out
the bugaboo of Bolshevisn, but with
out American aid it is either German
ism or Bolshevism, and the latter ma
overtake the former. 1t is not wiz
statement to say that Austria's wors'
ers are desperate.
austrian workers with their worth
less crowns can look across the borders
and see Germans buying bread and fsi'
with their deprecated marks. Across
the other borders the Czecho-Slovsks
, Hungarians and Italians are all WORK
ing, eating, living. ~
The Austrians do not yet under
stand why the Allies split up tas
former monarchy, creating free stsiH
of some portions and holding sas
sterile, starving remnant now knos'
as Austria guilty for the sins of sns
political combination once known y
the Austro- Hungarian government
Sees Economic Soundness
In U. S. Extending Aid
1t Is economic soundness for Amer
lea TO aid us. It is a political nesey
sity for France and the other A'I'es
but the latter are impotent BY con
parison with the United States. W
salvation rests in Washington.
"Succoring Austria would be s'',
toward the economic stabilizatioh '
Europe. Austria geographically i :
the center of Europe. Our ra'iN''
lines as well as our Danube shipp'- !,
could carry our products broades" !
industry were permitted to live -,
breathe again. The Jugo-Slsys 90 p
have the agricultural implements var.
Austrian industry could furnish IN =
turn for bread. voluminous eSanF1s
could be given of the possibility
Austria's economic development.
sThe answer to Austria's cry -
with America, but Austria must hs'
an answer soon or founder. IL - ~
farfetched to talk Of Bolsheyisn. ~
must think of tbs consequences -
would follow the spread Of this -, 4.
in every direction from the geoSsss
center Of Europe"
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1921-08-07

Lloyd Georges Views Prevail
And Result I'm World Chao.
Colleagues of Peace Discussions Show How Bril-,
Premier Won Point of Silesian Plebiscite -~a
Hypnotizing Wilson

but they will not keep their word. Is
that what you want?
LLOYD GEORGE Il don't exclude
the hypothesis of military occupa-
ton of the piebiscite zone.
WILSON Il repeat that Germany
will say we are exercising pressure.
LLOYD GEORGE-One army division
will be enough.
WILSON-It will be enough to make
them accuse US Of bringing pressure.
LLOYD GEORGE want peace.
know from d good source that the
question Of Upper Silesia is most
important one for the Germans. I
would rather send one division to
81 la than armies to Berlin.
NCEAU-Who tells you that
you will have the choice?
LLOYD GEoRGE-As to the free
dom of the ballot, that is up to us.
If Germany resists the application Of
a plebiscite result favorable to Poland,
the British army will march with en-
thusiasm on Berlin. That's what. l
want. / must have the English people
with me If any new difficulties arise.
WILSON - Your intentions are ex-
cellent. But if we send troops they
will accuse us of exerting pressure.
CLEMENCEAU-I have listened to
both of you with attention. Here is
my objection. You wish to avoid diff
ficulties. You will create greater
ones. A p ebiscite--that's all righf.
But not in Germany, where liberty has
never existed. To decide to have a
plebiscite, but not to mix into it..
That's all right, too. But it would
be crime against the Poles. There
remains an occupation by US of the
plebiscite zone. Then Germany will
say that pressure has been brought to
bear, and you know what will happen.
In six months, in a year, you will ex-
perience, in full peace, all the embar-
easements of war, and the situation
then probably will be more difficult
than it is to-day. You say, Mr. Lloyd
George, that you don't want to go to
Berlin. Neither do I. If we have sent
millions of soldiers to death it was to
save our existence. You say you want
to know the preferences of the Upper
Silesians. l answer you that under
German administration Upper Silesia
will not be able to give a free express
sion of opinion, and that under a
regime of Allied occupation the Ger
mans will claim that the vote was
falsified. You wish to appease racial
passions. You are going to stimulate
them. There are cases in which the
simplest and wisest thing is to say
mo-" and nothing else. We believe
that we have made just treaty. Let
us stick to it. Plebiscite and oecupa-
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1921-08-07

two years after the signing Of the
Treaty of Versailles Europe is still
divided over several fundamental cues.
tions. Before the Washington confer
ence Britain and France will attempt
to come to an agreement over the
matter Of the occupation of the Ruhr,
the settlement of the Upper Silesian
problem and the Treaty of Sevres,
which is now only "scrap of paper"
If these questions stand as they are it
may be that the scope of the Washing
ton conference will have to, be ex-
tended beyond the limits thus far
fixed,
France Is not likely to grow excited
in q discussion of the limitation of
naval ornaments. Neither is Italy.
Both will have trenchant statements to
:aake when the subject. of land forces
is raised. That it will como up is
undoubted here, and out of this .ques-
ton will spring all the international
problems over which the European AL
lies have been 'haggling for months
and months. 1t has been the opinion of
many students of international affairs
that America could help materially in
reaching a settlement if she took a
seat at the round table. She may have
this opportunity in Washington along
with her other job of officiating at the
deliberations over disarmament.
Having taken the initiative in the
greatest international movement since
the Paris conference, America will be
expected to give lead to the discus
sion of disarmament by Offering prac-
tical plan. Each country will natu-
rally have decided opinions as to the
size Of the military establishment it
considers necessary to it's security,
Britain will be represented by large
staff of naval experts, and 1t is pre-
sumed that other powers will send
their leading admiralty and military
authorities. These experts will GER
tainly examine any scheme suggested
by America with the greatest care be-
fore they advise their political chiefs.
Though eventually the statesmen will
take the responsibility for whatever
constructive program is made in Wash
ington, the soldiers and sailors will
have large part in the preliminary
discussions.
An agitation against Mr.. Lloyd
George IS head OF the British delega-
tion has started here, though it is
not nearly so violent as the one
launched in America when Mr.. Wilson
let it be known that he intended to go
to Paris. One thing is sure, and that
is if Mr.. Lloyd George pledges his
country to take certain line of action
he can guarantee that Parliament will
support him. In fact, that is equally
true of the other European statesmen
who will attend.
Perhaps it might have been wise to
hold the conference Immediately after
the issuance of the invitations. but fail
ing that it is fortunate that 9 few
months are to elapse. After the first
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1921-08-07
Trade Future of Austria
In Hands of u. S. Congress
Approval of European Plan to Suspend Debt of
Shattered Nation for Twenty Years Only
Chance for Economic Recovery

suspend. If she consents nothing
should prevent an immediate begin
ming. If she refuses Austria's hopes
Of succor, after long months of anxious
waiting, will be shattered and the
brighter possibilities for European
and world trade will suffer serious
setback. The Ambassadors Council
which had the question of suspension
of liens before them at the beginning
of this month, has decided to request
the diplomatic representatives in Wash
ington to approach the American Ad-
ministration.
"The importance Of the congress of
the international Chamber of Com
merce, which met in London, in this
connection lies in the fact that the
American delegation Endorsed the Ter
Meulen scheme of the league; that the
delegation laid down certain general
principles to secure trade restoration
in and with impoverished countries,
and that all these principles are pro-
vided for in detail in the leagues
Austrian scheme. What is more, the
delegation categorically declared that
there would be no prosperity in their
own country and no markets for their
own products until international trade
was again flowing in accustomed chan.
nels. 1t is a vital interest as much for
creditor as for debtor countries, and
exporting countries cannot sell if i'm
porting countries cannot raise the
credit to buy. 1t is pure business in
terest of America, as it is that of Eng
land and every other exporting country,
to give the Austrian restoration scheme
her support, for it begins with one
Of the thorniest and of the most vital
parts Of Europe rs starting point for
that necessary return of trade to Its
accustomed channels.
Political objections to the League
should not be allowed to weigh against
an economic achievement which at
Brussels, at the Congress of the In
ternational Chamber Of Commerce and
the World Cotton Conference was
either explicitly or implicitly sup
ported by the most representative bust.
ness and financial bodies In the world.
The economic policy of the League, in
general and in particular. has been
fortunate in obtaining this approval
The appeal to America is neither senti-
menta! nor political. She is not asked
to be generous. She is asked on bust
ness grounds, which include her own
interests, not to stand in the way of
businesslike project. 1t is hard to
believe she will refuse"
In the mean time Austrian recon-
struction remains in the balance.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1921-08-07

tion--they mean for to-morrow
reis, perhaps battIes---in a wo,s s4'
actly the contrary OF what von - 9
LLOYD GEoRGE-But If van ss ~
German resistance it will come an =
more If there is no plebiscits -, : :
must be recognized that from, !.
point of view of right GERMANY !. :
better position than we are
WLLSON--We have said in n. ~
Of peace that all indisputably Pm
provinces must go back to PoIans ''s'
LLOYD GEoRGE-But the Co...
say justly that this is not IN. =.
with SiIesia. -
CLEMENCEAU-How so? Yo,
very well that even German stst;.ss
show that Upper Silesia is Polish 1.
large majority.
WILSON--We must come to 49,
clusion. We could consent 70 q 49,,
scite under the control of an int,
Allied commission. We could dse,,.
that the plebiscite is void if the con-
mission reports that pressure hss h..
exercised.
LLOYD GEORGE want to avail
conflict. The Germans in u,,.:
Sllesia regard the Poles as an infer.
people whom they despise. To mt e.,
mans under Polish rule is to proysl.
trouble.
CLEMENCEAU-Have no doubt tb,.
You will have trouble, Of all sor.,
either now or later, with or without /,
rlebiscite.
LLOYD GEORGE am Of an ss.
actly contrary opinion.
CLEMENCEAU - The future WI,
show which of US is right. But BE-
you not to forget what / have saIi
to-day.
WILSON, think that we ought h
decide that we will agree to a plebis.i,s
after a year at the least, after tx.
years at the most. Mr.. Lord has Learned
from an American who has been then
that ell classes desire a plebiscitt
Now, Mr.. Lord himself is opposed TO ,
plebiscite.
CLEMENCEAU-I have nothing /,
add to what ! have said. l still thin
that the plebiscite is mistake. Sine,
| am alone in that opinion, must yiela
Nevertheless, l remain convinced shsi
we are going to get into serious did,
culties in Upper Silesia, and that /
prompt solution would be better.
q =
Clemenceau's sagacity shines out il
these colloquies. Time has striking,
indicated his judgment. He had TIL
best of the argument. But Loyi
George got the decision, which has up
set Europe for two years and has Ut
necessarily brought France and Grss
Britain almost to the breaking point
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1921-08-07
Special Correspondence of The Tribune
PARIS. Julv 2.


A Ill hope of Austrian recon-
~ struction as we'll as future
Austrian trade in world
markets is in the hands of
the American Congress. Austria's lead
ing creditors in Europe have agreed
to give Austria a helping hand, without
which that country will have nothing
to offer and nothing to hope for. The
remaining fragment of the former
great empire of Austria Hungary, now
little republic, is virtually bankrupt,
destitute, hungry and generally down
and out. Her debts to the world
around $100,000,000 for relief to her
people after the armistice and more
tens Of millions imposed for repara-
tions after the treaty Of peace-are
more than she can ever pay if the
Allied demands are insisted upon. The
road to Austria's restoration is plenty
of time. Without it hope is shattered.
Through a movement initiated by
the League of Nations and negotiated
by the Inter-Allied Council of Ambassa-
doris in Paris the creditor nations of
Europe have agreed to suspend their
Liens ON the Austrian republic for a
Germ OF twenty years on condition that
America does the same. Austria owes
: the United States some $4,000 900
Tho United States has so far been
silent.
With this background the belief per-
sists in Europe that Americas aversion
to joining the Charity" movement sug-
gested by the league and the Amhas-
sailors Council Is because it is a
League of Nations project. America,
it is believed. will have nothing to do
with the league, even though the prof
ect is life or death for Austria.
Allies, Not the League.
Ask Cooperation Of America
The Tribune has received from the
league secretariat in Paris an unofficial
league view of the Washington atti-
tude. This view Is that 1t Is the Allies
who are asking Americas cooperation
in the scheme to succor Austria and
not necessarily the League of Nations,
whose financial committee is in charge;
that, anyway, it Is purely and simply
business proposition for America in
promoting anything which will revive
trade and get the world back to
normally with mutual commercial
benefits for all. The unofficial view
follows in part:
"Ths whole scheme sof restoration
now really depends on the decision of
Anasrfca. who Ia the largest creditor;
In Der reply to ALLIED invitation to
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1921-08-07
By Arthur S. Draper

AO4NOOlN, august D.
TO ILLUSTRATE the Importance
with which Britons regard
H. President Hardings efforts to
solve the problems Of dis
armament and international relations
in the Far East it is only necessary
tn record the fact that this news has
dwarfed the conference between Mr.,
Lloyd George and the leader of the
Sim Fem movement. ireland has
grown from domestic into an inter
national problem, profoundly interest
ing to the inhabitants of all parts
of the world; but on the very eve
Of a momentous conference between
this responsible heads of the warning
factions came President Harding's invi-
taticn and all eyes turned from West
minister to Washington. .
After considerable experience in
Europe l can say truthfully. that no
international move-mot even Presi-
dent Wilson's pre-armistice note--has
had such general Endorsement as Mr..
Harding's suggestion for disarma-
ment conference. The President Sc
lected the psychological moment and
he chose exactly the right methods.
AS result British Conservatives, Lib
erals, Laborites and Socialists have
nothing but praise to offer. Such
unanimity promises we'll.
1t may be useful to attempt to find
the reasons for this satisfactory state
Of mind. To attribute it solely to .
general desiresSfor peace, such as ex-
listed at the close of the war and re-
suited in the formation Of the League
of Nations, would be a great mistake.
There is still desire to build up a
bulwark against war, but the Europe
Of to-day is not the place it was three
years ago, when every one talked Of
! "the war which was to end all wars.
1t is prosaic Europe, disillusioned
Europe, practical rather than an
iaealistic Europe.
Britain Can Lose Nothing
And She May Gain Much
Britons welcome President Harding's
initiative in calling a disarmament
conference, because it is highly prac-
teal plan in which they will benefit
materially without making importaas
sacrifices. Britain can lose nothing
and she may gain much. No candid
Englishman would deny this or claim
that he was inspired by some higher
motive.
Britain would prefer to maintain the
supremacy at sea she held in 1914. but
that is too expensive luxury in 1921.
In fact it is absolutely and financially
impossible. The British are willing to
reduce their military establishments,
not only willing but keenly DESTROYS
Of doing so. An island power, re-
sponsible for the protection of nearly
one-fourth the area OF the world, must
maintain large feet and also have an
understanding with other naval forces.