New-York tribune., 1921-09-30

telling her. that he was tho owner and
superintendent of the property aud
wanted to talk to her about some re
pairs in her apartment.
Denial Made by Shaw
James Z. Shaw, the brother-in-law Of
Sutter, who was declared to have bnen
'n.plnvcd by Attorney Leslie to shadow
DR.. Alters, mado = sweeping denial OF
all connection with any wire tapping
operations. He admitted occupying u
room in Mrs Sauer's house. opposite
DR.. Allcrs's home, but said no wire
tapping apparatus had been used and
that he never saw such an instrument
in his life. He said Sutter did not
work with him on tho case. Mr.. Win
ters said Wednesday and repeated on
the stand yesterday that Sutter and
Shaw brought the wire tapping mcchan-
ism to his office.
Paul Sauer, in whose home Shaw and
Sutter are alleged to have carried on
their wire tapping business, then tcsci-
fed to having rented n room to Shaw
in the summer of 1919, facing Dr.
Allers's home. He said Shaw told him
he was detective and that Shaw ran
a wire into tho house from telephone
pole. He said the wire with small
round mechanism was attached to y
hook outside Shaw's window. He added
that another man came to see Shaw fire.
quently whom he knew as Mr.. Sullivan.
He couldn't swear that Sutter was the
man referred to- but believed he was
when Sutter stood up in tho hearing
chamber.
Mrs. Sauers, however identified SUIT
ter at once and positively as the man
she knew as Sullivan. She said she
would have recognized him anywhere.
There was some discussian raised by
Assemblyman Maurice Bloch when he
insisted that an agent of the committee
had pointed out Sutter to her before
she had been placed on the stand. Mr..
Brown stated that in view of positive
identification of Sutter the matter could
admit of no suggestion of unfairness.
Secretary Tells of Payments
Mary Schacht, secretary Of Mr.. Les
lie, told of the various payments made
to Shaw for his services. He was get
ting $40 week as salary, and expenses,
the average weekly payment, according
to the records, being $145 to $3.50.
The testimony of Byram l.. Winters,
attorney in charge of the Alters case
for the firm Of Leslie g. Winters, reads
as follows:
Q.--Mr. Winters, did you meet Mr.
Sutter frequently during the time this
case was pending in the Office? Al
did
Q.--By what name did you know him
at that time? Ale was introduced
to me by Mr.. Leslie as Mr.. Shaw.
Q.--Down to what time? A--Untll
Monday afternoon on the Monday when
the Alters case was put on trial.
Q.-And during that day did you
learn that he was not Mr.. Suffer for
the first time? Al learned that he
was Mr.. Suffer-
Q.-You learned that he was not Mr..
Shaw for the first time? Al did.
Q.-You learned he was connected
with the Police Department? Al
did, for the first time that night.
was told that he was Inspector Dwyer's
plainclothcs man and on the police
force, and his name was Suffer, and
not Shaw, and therefore he could not
be used as a witness.
Q.-You were told that by whom
A.-By Warren Leslie.
Shift in Names Shown
Q.-And you were told about the
same time by him that you would have
to use Shaw? A--Yes, sir.
Q.-And was it in that conversation
with Shaw and Sutter that you discov-
cred, as you stated yesterday. that
there had been wire-tapping? Alt
was.
Q.-And you gave instructions aboa
bringing the wire-tapping apparatus IN
you? Al did. It was brought NV
both that night Ny
Q.-Did sdtter come with It? snt-
ter was there? A.-Sutter was in NJ
Leslies office practically every day for