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Yorkville enquirer. [volume] (Yorkville, S.C.) 1855-2006, 1921-06-07
TROUBLE FOR dad
ignorance of; Father Cause Of Much
Juvenile delinquency.
: SIlI SHOULD j KaOk OF HlsDEEDS
Mothers Should Bring Fathers Closer
Into Hons Circle Instead of Trying
To Run Him Out-children Taught

Into Hone Circle inseeao OF iry"'s
To Run Him out-children Taught
:. To Lie. T..
:, Natalie De Bogony in the N. Y:
Times: ;';:r.
The undisciplined children of today
are very much under discussion. II
fact they are. already in the class of
problems" So it is only natural
that agencies dealing with children
should be taking up the question sci
entIically. As; a result, it has been
found that. lack Of fathers influence in
the home is one OF, the main causes
for the absence Sf> discipline among
children, and. according to one such
agency, the situation is'largely due to
the attitude taken by. women. In
stead of tying to bring father closer
to the home circle, mother has been
deliberately .alienat.ng,-him. Woman
has become conspirator against
man. ."
ii have found in a special study Of
the children brought to the children's
court said Bernardo Pagan, chief
prohibition :offiesr .ah|;:New York city
children; and their troubles; ;tthat al.
most taai. cases sof difficulties with
children are the$result of lack of un-i
derstanding ia the home. The mother
takes: the entire Responsibility on her
self for disciplining the children, and
finding that sheiisiunabIe to swing the
job: she still refuses to share the bur
den with the father :Sf the family.
The situation is thus allowed to drift
from bad to worse. :;It often ends with
arrest and the >childreRs court. Only
then does.:the father know that there
has. been friction: Of any kind. In most
cases the father knew nothing until it
was too late"
Father Must Come Home.
Today with the infinite complexity
of life, the demands on the home and
school as sound preparation for the
business. of living are becoming in
sistent and essentih. Women have
obtained the sa'ote:' but what have
they done to meat the situation in the
one field which has always been their
own-the home?
- I'VE have found" explained ME Fa-
gan, that we could hope to attain no
permanent good for the child unless
we entered the family and settled the
trouble there. fBst. 1t is usually the
lack of harmony. and understanding
in the home WHICH results in trouble
for: children. We found ourselves face.
to" face With ths woman-both in the
Home and in the School. *!The father,
finding himself. pushed out, had hccn
willing enough; often, to use the OPP
portunity to cpade his natura! duties
in the family and was apparently re-
:conciled to, being mere money earn
ing machine. ~
"It Is our firm conviction that, If
family relationss6 are to improve, the
father must be- made to. participate in
family Hfe and this conviction has
been SO firm that we have made n
definite effort. to, bring! father back to
Yorkville enquirer. [volume] (Yorkville, S.C.) 1855-2006, 1921-06-07
HOW WILL THE WORLD END
Scientist McCabe Gives Some Ideas on
Subject, ,. g..

This mysterious earth on which you
live, ultimately will become complete
ly covered with thick ice.
'That's the prediction Of IL competent
scientist. Joseph McCabc, In 4 recent
book. It's one Of many theories. 9th
ers include predictions that the earth
may end by colliding with a star-or
explode from internal heat.
McCabc's theory is Of unusual in
terest. by reason of its bearings On the
notion you probably have, that "the
climates changing" >. !.
The world. says McCabe, already
has had five Ice Ages-during which
Yorkville enquirer. [volume] (Yorkville, S.C.) 1855-2006, 1921-06-07
THE Us. CHAIN TREAD

TF you could get'together all thescar
i owners you know, you'd probably
find that their tire experiences had been
much the same. 80, -: 49,. ,.s
Most of them have taken their fling
at 'job lots, % discontinued lines" and
surplus stocks. y Soon or late, nearly
all settled back on quality first as the
one sound assurance Of tire value. r",
- = = -. -.
" AS soon as a man forgets the CUT
price tag, and comes to the dealer who
concentrates on a:full, completely
sized stock of u. S. Tires--hee learns
what it means to get fresh, live tires
not once in while bur every time.
Not merely in the big cities, but IN
his own home town.
Yorkville enquirer. [volume] (Yorkville, S.C.) 1855-2006, 1921-06-07
Economy rides Of j |: Us 4 !: nTssl y

Not merely for the heavy csl calr tt a' :1 tor:
the medium and lightweight eazz; = !.
fun selection o. Size tread and type:: =; !;
- , *..sy:: *es 49, -: p .>:,s: ;sys;F.
Your U.s Tire dealer jeatn e give, Bopr
this service because Of the service; aes:
gets from his peighb7oring y. .S;Faeeto19 s. se Isl:
Branch r ap y TheEsaEse i :s'Sse se taese a
Each: gets its share Of; Us Fires
that the dealer is always supplied With ! 4 !.
fresh, Live, stock. !: 3: &:,;ks
U.s:Tires' sellas fast as they are F tnade aa
There is no oyer ton: No y S ssar: s,
plus piled p up waiting for n'arke +. 3 Il
Wherever you buy a, y. S; S. 1lfss: II ss:-s:: ];
you. buy a tire Of current Produstion
as full of life and: value as the day q +;
left the makers. ~: ::;:. ::. :; ~. j..
Vernon County censor. [volume] (Viroqua, Wis.) 1865-1955, 1921-04-20
NOTICE TO BIDDERS

Pursuant to direction of the Com
mon Council, notice is hereby given
that the Common Council of the City
of Viroqua will receive bids up to and
including the 9th day of April, 1921,
for the digging and construction OF
such lateral sewer bitches as the city
may from time to time order-such
laterals 70 be dug under the direction
with such plans and specifcations Is
required by ordinance and provided by
The city reserves the right to reject
any and all bids.
Dated, April 5, 1921.
E. j. OLDER, City Clerk.
Vernon County censor. [volume] (Viroqua, Wis.) 1865-1955, 1921-04-20
VIROOuA SOCIAL EVENTS

Nearly one hundred and fifty people
Iattended the Rebekkah meeting held
at the /. o. o. F. hall on Monday even
ling. In response TO an invitation from
THE local lodge, thirty-five visitors
from the lodges of Cashton, LaFarge.
Viola and Readstown were present.
Among the guests were Mr.. and Mrs.
Joseph Hayes and the Mesdames Jas
McLin and S. Jensen of LaFarge, Mr..
Edward Hill, Mr.. and Mrs. Ira Cas-
Iperson and Mrs. Walter Van Winter of
Viola. The Messrs and Mesdames
Arthur Perkins, Edward Taylor and
Mrs. Peter Hegge of Cashton. Mes
danes Ward and Holcomb of Reads
town. Mr.. Henry Gardner of Green
Bay and Mr.. and Mrs. George O.
Block of Madison were other out of
/ town guests. The initiative degree
was conferred upon Miss Mabel Olson
and Mrs. Ada Burkhart A luncheon
was served at the conclusion of the
evenings work by a committee of
seventeen members. Mr.. Gardner
gave brief but interesting address
land several visitors were called upon
and responded with short speeches.
Dancing and cards concluded the even
ling's entertainment.
A most enjoyable evening was spent
at the Woodman half on Friday when
the Royal Neighbors marched into the
hall at the close of the business SEES
sion and surprised the Woodmen,
bringing with them well filed bas-
kets of luncheon, which was served
lin cafeteria style by the Neighbors.
The evening was delightfully."- spent in
dancing and cards.
IS Mrs. Chris 0strem very delightfully."-
entertained company of twelve ladies
at luncheon on Friday afternoon.
On Thursday afternoon Mrs. Hans
Larson had as her guests company
of ten ladies at luncheon.
The Mesdames c. A. Cutter, Wander
bilt and Nogle, pleasantly entertained
a company of tNyenty-four ladies on
Friday evening at the home of Mrs.
Vanderbilt.
! Mrs. w. d. Dyson and Mrs VI. A.
Smith delightfully."- entertained at a
luncheon on Wednesday afternoon at
the Dyson home inhonor of Miss Cath
crime Munson. Miss Munson has been
guest of honor at several other pre-
Inuptial parties during the past two
weeks.
Mrs. E. NJ. Nye entertained the Jun
ior Bridge Club at her home on Friday
evening. Favors for the high scores
were awarded to the Mesdames A. E.
Smith and W. d. Dyson.
The Michigan Club was entertained
on Friday evening at the home of Miss
Verna Thayer.
The Laf-a-Lot Bridge club will be
entertained on Monday evening by
Mrs. R. E. Wolfgram.
Vernon County censor. [volume] (Viroqua, Wis.) 1865-1955, 1921-04-20
La Toilette Flags The Big Interests

-" vtaettSA hiess RhhS4s hi6 hnschS SeS
WASHINGTON The great issue
before the. American people today is
the control of their own government,
Senator Robert M. LaFollette, Of, Wis
consin, declared in address tonight to
the founders of the peoples legisla-
tive, service" teyS
"A mighty power has been builded
in this country in recent years, so
strong, yet so insidious and far-reach-
ing in its, influence Senator La Fol-
lette said, that men. are. gravely in
quiring whether its iron p on gov
eminent and business can ever be
broken. - =
again and again it has proved
strong enough tofnominate the candi-
date for both parties. 1t has domin-
ated the organization of legislative
bodies, state and national, and of the
committees which frame legislation.
Its influence has been felt in cabinets
and in the policies of administrations
an dhas been clearly seen in the APP
pointment of prosecuting officers and
selection of judges. This great pow
err which has taken from the American
people the control of their own gov
eminent is the product of monopoly
and organized greed"
with the changing phases Of a
thirty-fve year contest" Senator La
Toilette declared, II have been more
and more impressed with the single
ness of the issue. 1t is not the
railroads. 1t is not the tariff 1t is
not the trusts. These and other ques-
tions are but manifestations of one
great struggle. The supreme issue
involving all the other is the en-
croachment of the powerful few upon
the rights of the many"
Vernon County censor. [volume] (Viroqua, Wis.) 1865-1955, 1921-04-20
SHORT PERSONAL JOTTING

Boys and misses straw and cloth
hats at Rogers
--Walk-Over shoes. the kind that
satisfy Stoll & Groves.
New waist goods end ginghams
just received at NJ. ]. Felix.
Ed Lind now has on hand a full
line of SELF dress shoes for ladies.
--Zummaeh's 1000 pure weather
proof paint at o. E. Davis drug store.
We have large stock of wall pa
per to select from. o. E. Davis drug
store.
All sizes of paint brushes from l
inch varnish to inch wall at O. E.
Davis drug store.
Always fresh Keeley's Old Fash
toned Bitter Sweets, full pounds SOC
lat Dahl's Drug Store.
Fresh cement, plaster and bridge
plank Just received at Wiganowsky e
Spellum's lumber yard
We have a fresh supply of lime
sulphur solution, on the road. 1t wall
pay you to spray your fruit treets, o.
f. Davis, *.
Have you tried Peerless -four. If
you havn't, you'd better. It's time.
Surenson & Thompson have the ex-
elusive sale. in Viroqua. a4ss
Former Superintendent L. H.
Gardner came last week from Green
Bay to spend few days among old
home friends and scenes.
The new Ralston Brogue shoe de-
Icidedly dressy-yet full of wearing
quality, See it on display at The
Blue Front Store, Ellefson & johnson.
Why have the headache? Why
spoil your eyes? DR. Evenson of La
Crosse saves your eyes, and your mon
ey. He grinds the lenses while you
wait. 16-tf
-Jewelry, watches, cut glass, foun-
tain pens, china, leather goods-the
best of these and many other lines
you'll find at Carl C. Goes jewelry
store,
The price of white lead and oil
as well as mixed paints sounds like
old times. Better do that spring
painting and see us about the mater
ials. John E. Nuzum & Sons.
Now is the time to paint, lead
and OIL Both are the lowest they have
been for several years and we have as
good a line of mixed paints as there
is made. Let US figure your job. O.
E. Davis.
Now is the time to dress up; the
prices are lower, quality is better.
You will gain nothing by waiting.
Snappy styles for spring are here
Come in and make your selection from
our beautiful line of ColIegian clothes.
They keep you looking your best. The
Blue Front Store, Ellefson & Johnson.
Vernon County censor. [volume] (Viroqua, Wis.) 1865-1955, 1921-04-20
THE CHURCH NOTES
FINSTAD,S CHARGE


Services and communion in Kicka-
poo next Sunday, April "a. Services
and communion in East Kickapoo.
Freeman ladies aid meet with Mrs. o.
See, April 2S.
S. K. THOLLEHAUG,S CHARGE
Sunday. April oath there will be
services in Norwegian at Readstown
at IL and communion services in Eng
lish at Soldiers Grove at 3. Special
music.
Services in the West Prairie church
Sunday, April 24th at IL. Services in
Emmanuel church, Viroqua. Sunday.
April "a, at 1880. Confirmation class
meet in the Emmanuel church Satur-
day, April % at TO- The Franklin
Congregation will hold a special BUSH
ness meeting nJthe church Wednes-
day, April q, at l. The ladies aid will
meet in the church parlor at the same
time. Members please bring baskets.
Enrolment of confrmants for the
Franklin congregation at in the
church, April %.
CONGREGATIONAL CHURCH
Sunday school at 10 o'clock. C. E.
at $50. Aid society will be enter
tanned at the church parlors Thursday
afternoon, April q, by Mrs. KEN Pc
terson's division.
HAMMERS CHARGE
Viroqua ladies aid meet in the par
lor of the church Thursday, April %.
The following ladies will entertain:
Mesdames Fremont Patterson, Lewis
Lewison, Eric Bolstad, Lewis O. Lew
ison, Ole Allness and Chris Quale. =
Bethel ladies aid meets with Mrs
Isaac Tollaekson Thursday, May 16. 8.
METHODIST CHURCH
At the morning service next Sun
day the Misses Emma and Della Olson
who have just returned from Singa-
pore where for the past few years
they have been teaching under the
Missionary Boards of the church, will
tell of some of their experiences.
Singapore lis a cosmopolitan city
where all the tides of life flow freely
Sunday school at 10 o'clock. 207
We're in attendance last Sunday. The
growth is steady and continuous. Ep-
worth League at 6:45. A fine COM
pany of young people attend. Even
ing worship at 1870. Subject of SER
mon, Taking Orders from Christ. :"
Midweek service Thursday evening at
1880.
CHRISTIAN CHURCH
You will find welcome place in our
Bible School next Sunday morning at
/ 10 Preaching service at Il. Sub
ject of sermon, America for Christ
G. Z. at $3.50. Evening song service
! 7:30. Sermon, almost Persuaded :"
Tonight wednesday, and Thurs
day night we will have with US Pastor
c. L. Milton of Milwaukee, state Sec
rotary Of the Wisconsin Christian Mis-
sionary Society. You should come out
to hear him.
Preaching at Brush Hollow
Next Sunday afternoon at 2:30 there
will be preaching service in the Brush
Hollow church by j. Harry Bullock
Special music viii be rendered by the
Male Quartette of the Loyal Mems
Bible Class.
VIROQUA CIRCUIT
Now for a time at least we have
good roads. Let us take courage and
regain any ground lost during the
winter and spring. Let us begin Sab
bath morning, Springville at II, Bish-
OPP Branch 3, Liberty Pole at 7:45. We
have opened preaching at Dach Ridge
and last Sabbath morning the school
house was well, filed.
Vernon County censor. [volume] (Viroqua, Wis.) 1865-1955, 1921-04-20
First publication A1ril ~. Ie2f--s
NOTICE OF PARTETION SALE
STATE OF WISCONSIN. CIRCUIT COURT
xpspsynA CnYTNTV

VERNON COUNTY.
Made stall, Plaintiff. W. Albert Higgins
ct al. Defendants.
Notice Is hereby given that b. virtue q
a Judgment and order Of sale in the above
entitled action, rendered therein On the l9th
day Of March, A. D. 1921, the undersigned
Sheriff Of Vernon Connty VIII on the Dist dag
in the forenoon Of that day at the law Office
Of Smith Moen Ia the city Of yixoaus, Yer
non county. Wis. ofer for sale and sell "a
scrlbed real estste, so-wttf The soDtheas'
quarter Of the northeast quarter 81 section
twenty-ssven (z7l IN to-nship twelve ilzj
north range Eve 90 west.
Dated this sth day # April, 1921.
SAMUEL GORSLryE.
Sheriff Of vernon County.
Vernon County censor. [volume] (Viroqua, Wis.) 1865-1955, 1921-04-20
First publication April Is, 1918
PROBATE NOTICE
STATE OF WISCONSIN. VERNON COUNTY


Creditors
STATE OF WISCONSIN, VERNON COUNTY
COURT. IN PROBATE
In re estate Of Ole o. Kalvestrand, deceased.
Notice is hereby given that at the special
term of said court 20 be held on hte 18th day
Of May, A. d. 1921, at the Court House IN
the City Of Viroq1a, County Of Vernon and
State Of Wisconsin, there viii be heard and
considered. the application Of Abraham Kali
vestrand for the appointment of an admins
traitor Of the estate Of Ole o. Kalvestrand, late
Of the town Of Webster in said county. de-
ceased.
Notice is hereby further given that at the
regular term Of said court 70 be held at said
Court House, on the first Tuesday Of Septenn-
Der, A. d. 1921, there viii be heard, consider
ed, and adjusted, all claims against said Ole
a. Ra1vestrand, der eased.
And notice Is hereby further given, that all
such claims for examination and allowance
must be presented 70 said county court az the
Court House IN the City Of viroqua, in said
county and stztes on or before the lst day Of
September, A. D. 1921 OF be barred.
DATED at Viroqus, Wis. April &, 1871
By the Court. D.O.Mshoney. County Judge
Vernon County censor. [volume] (Viroqua, Wis.) 1865-1955, 1921-04-20
SCHOOL PETITION NOTICE

To Oscar Hunter, Clerk West Lima Union
Free High School.
You are hereby requested in accordance with
Section 1850 al Revised Statutes Of the State
Of Wisconsin. 20 call a special meeting Of the
said West Lima Union Free High School on
the 28th day of April. 1921, at some suitable
place in the village Of West Lima in said dis.
trict for the purpose Of voting on the follow
ing propositions:
To authorize the school board Of said
district to borrow the sum Of SIX thousand
dollars at seven per cent interest, said inter-
est TO be payable annually. and said loan to
be repaid in twelve equal annual installments
Of five hundred dollars each, said money to be
school building now in course Of erection in
said district.
To raise by tax a sum sufficient 10 pay
the principal and interest of such loan as Il
becomes due.
Filed April 3, 1921.
Vernon County censor. [volume] (Viroqua, Wis.) 1865-1955, 1921-04-20
To Oscar Hunter. Clerk Of West Lima Unior
Free High School

To Oscar Hunter. Clerk Of West Lima Unior
Free High School
Sir You are hereby requested ia accord
aoce with Section 1880 90 r. S. Via, 20 cal
special meeting Of the electors Of the West
Lima Union Free High School District on ths
2sth day Of April, A. d. 1921, at some suitable
place in the Village Of West Lima in said
School District for the purpose Of voting on
the following question:
] To authorize some suitable person n
bring an action in the name VI said District
20 remove I'd Essex. Treasurer and John Pan
Ia. Director, Of said district, for the reason
they both have been guilty Of both misfeas-
ance and malfessanee in Office.
Dated this 18th day Of April 1921.
Respectfully submitted,
OSCAR HUNTER, Clerk West Lima Union
Free High School
Vernon County censor. [volume] (Viroqua, Wis.) 1865-1955, 1921-04-20
CELEBRATE WEDDING ANNIy

CELEBRATE WEDDING ANNIVERSARY
The children and number af friends gath
cred at the home Of Mr.. and Mrs. Olaf SgF-
dahl On April 11th. in honor Of their fortieth
wedding snniyerEary. Talks were given BY
t5fui supper was served and splendid purse
I Of money was given 70 the couple a. q re-
n1embrance.
Vernon County censor. [volume] (Viroqua, Wis.) 1865-1955, 1921-04-20
CHRISTIAN CHURCH

Now for a time at least we have
good roads. Let us take courage and
regain any ground lost during the
winter and spring. Let us begin Sab
bath morning, Springville at IL, Bish-
OPP Branch 3, Liberty Pole at 7:45. We
have opened preaching at Dach Ridge
and last Sabbath morning the school
house was well. filed.
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1921-12-23
LAST CALL FOR THE
EMPTY STOCKING FUND

Dr Bergman Of the bureau Of chari-
ties. and capt, Guest of the salvation
Army tell us that the amount now
n Albuquerque empty stocking fund
will not be sufficient To meet all OF
the necessities of their work at the
Christmas season Many generous
contributions have been made Many
more are needed. No single contri-
button need hc large. No person
need make "a sacrifice In order 10 con
tribute. Give any amount from 20
cents to Sl0O--but give.
Give this thought one careful re-
view IN your mitd this evening ns your
plans for Christmas day hi your own
huupy home are being completed.
There are many children In Albu-
queruue who. without our help, will
lack the Joys that are the right OF
children ut Christmas time. There
are homes In Albuqucrque which VIII
lack warmth and abundant food,
which all agree are the right OF All
people at Christmas time Com
pare your own happy state with tho
state OF these leas fortunate ones, ana
tomorrow make II point 20 add
| your contribution To help ill the
emntv stocking
| Contributions to the empty stocking
| fund may be left at the business Of
nces OF the Journal or The Herald
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1921-12-23
TO L|QU|DATE
BANK ASSETS
IN DISPUTE
Agreement in Santa Fe
Case Permits Collec-
ton of Loans

SANTA f'E. Dec 2a.-The second
chapter in the injunction suit breun
by State Bank Examiner J. ~ Read
TO restrain State Treasurer strong
from dirposing o. the more than
t2NO.OOO notes and mortgages held 10y
hun as security for state deposits in
the closed Santa Fe Bank was writ
ten today when attorneys for both
sides filod a stipulation In the district
court to permit the pay mcnt OF the
obligations when they fall due.
The stipulation provided Read shall
collect moneys paid on the securities
at the bank In the presence OF strong,
Or his deputy. and both shall toin
IN marking them paid The moneys
80 collected are TO he deposited in an
other bank. but cannot be withdrawn
except upon order OF the court In the
Injunction suit, unless the bank II re-
organized.
The notes and mortgages originally
were misde out to the bank. but en-
dorsed and turned over to Strong at
different times beginning March 1,
1921.
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1921-12-23
ARRESTS FOLLOW
SALE OF OIL STOCK
TO WAR VETERANS
Director Of Sanitarium
and a Patient Are
Accused

wAUKESHA. Wis, Dec. 23.-Dr.
J. r Norris, executive director Of the
Resthaven sanitarium at WEukesha
and Roy Jackson. a patient. were
arrested today by Sherin Keebler Of
waukesha county on warrants charg-
ing sale OF speculative oil stock to
world war veteran patients NJ the
institution without obtaining permit
from the state rail-ond commission.
Harry Hartman OF the securities
division OF the commission. signed
the complaints on which the warrants
were issued. Or Norris Is listed az
president OF the Disabled Veterans
Gas a OF company. and Mr.. jackson
y named as secretary y-treasurer.
=, J. Barrett state commander Of
the American Legion recently made
public charges that the disabled vet
crans were being solicited to pur-
chase oil stock from their meager
government alloumcnts. Dr. Norris
ds1ipd the CHARGES
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1921-12-23
PAL Of SLAIN
man CONFESSES
TRAIN ROBBERY
Several Grimes Cleared
Up Following Arrest
for kidnapping

CHICAGO. Dec 2a.-Clyde Thu
mons whose companlun. Earl Tim
mons. was shot and killed. last night
after they had kidnapped and robbed
Mrs. James }. Callahan. her daugh-
ter aud brother, confessed to the po-
lice today that he and his partner
had participated In several hold-ups,
Including a Utah train robbery last
August and the sudden interruption OF
"A card party at the home OF jacob
Loeb in Chicago last June.
Following tho confession. police
took Into custody Miss Mary Roberts
22. who is said TO be an intimate
acquaintance Of the dead rohber.
The train robbery Timmons said.
was on an oregon Short Line train
on August ~, when the two collected
s450 from the passengers.
Last Friday the pair held up J..
+. Walsh In Chicago. according TO
TimmonE confession. robbing him Of
his automobile and a $50 watch. The
automobile was later recovered.
Timmons told the Hyde Park police
that his home was In Hammond. Ind.
He said that his companion alone had
staged the Loeb card party hold-up
when several wealthy men were
robbed. A 5000 diamond ring. taken
from one Of the victims. was found
In his pocket last night. the police say
The captui I'd rohher was also known
as iaude Thomas and his dead COM
panlon was sometimes known as Carl
Gilbert.