The New York herald., 1921-07-17
Southern Leader Willing to
Insure That There Will
Not Be Any Perse-
cutiOn.
CONFER AGAIN MONDAY
No Item in Programme Has
Been Abandoned Is Sig
nificant Remark in
Interview.
Special Gable 10 THE New YORK HERALD.
Copyright, 1921, bD THE New YoRK HERALp-

Copyright, 1921, By THE NEW YORK HERALp
New York Herald Bureau,
London, July 10.
mo item in our programme has
been abandoned" This was the most
important sentence in an interview
which Eamon de Valera, Irish re-
publican leader, gave to Jules Sauer-
vein, special correspondent of the
Paris Mdtin, after the second confer
ence with Premier Lloyd George. ~
the same time from Governments
circles comes much the same senti-
ment Hence it is Ulster that re-
mains as the doubtful element in the
whole situation.
Sir James Craig refuses to discuss
anything that transpired at yester-
days meeting, and his diplomatic
reticence Is one of the most encourag-
ing parts OF the situation. Both sides
were tense as the conferees rested to-
day. Sir James will see Lloyd
George on Monday after the Pre-.
mier's third talk with De Valera.
From conversations in various
quarters it becomes plain that Ulster
still remains the stiff problem. 1t is
gathered that Lloyd George and De
Valera found terms upon which they
could agree. but Sir James Craig, the
Ulster Premier. feared that Ulster
would not in its present state of feel
ing accept them. 1t must be empha-
sized that Sir James is personally as
keen for peace as Premier Lloyd
George or De Valera. but he Is frank
ly doubtful whether he can induce
the Ulster majority to follow him.
He is backed up by Lord Pirrie, the
great shipbuilder, and Lord London
derry. who has big estates, two of
the most important men in Belfast,
who see the death of their thriving
northern metropolis under the pres.
ent state OF affairs.
Ulster Cabinet Arrives.
The influence of II. N. Pollock. MIN
ASNNA VI a AAAohNts L. ~ aiNHudlt, u.
NJ. Andrews and Lord Londonderry,
members of the Ulster Cabinet. ar
riving to-day, is considered favorable
because they are interested in in
dustry and business and realize the
impossibility of continuing the present
sectarian and sectional warfare in the
great Industrial centre. They con-
ferred with Sir James Craig to-day.
But the exact status of Ulster still
remains the most doubtful element of
the entire situation. De Valera insists
that he Is willing to give Ulster ample
guarantees against persecution from
the South, but that he will give them
as an act Of grace only, just as Eng
land many times offered to give the
South of Ireland a favorable settle
ment as an act of grace.
But Ulster Is no more willing to ac-
cept such terms than is southern Ire
land. and this great anomaly OF the
entire Irish situation again threatens
the success OF the present negotiations.
Notwithstanding this. the principals In
the negotiations have not lost hope. Sir
James Craig said that he will risk his
leadership Of the party upon the sue
cess OF the peace conference.
The Sim Fein delegation obviously
is chary about taking responsibility for
plunglng southern ireland again into
guerrilla warfare this time more intenso
than ever has been known. Hence both
sides are still manufacturing c0pts ct -e..h
each other.
NaI all
ference at 10 Dovnlr. sire on sfr.
day where Il will he determined
whether or not D. can enter the iarrs
conference In vhfcn trr rcacn piane
really may be d. 90 out
Mr. de Valera's position still Is that
Sir James Craig should not be included
in that conference In view Of his failure
TO attend the Dublin conference. to
which De Valera invited him.
ireland a nation" stlll is the Sim
Feiners' watchword. although they are
willing TO make any reasonable Con-
cessions and guarantees TO Ulster -
part Of the Irish nation. IL Is an open
secret that a plan has been pretty well
developed between Lloyd George and De
Valera 20 overcome this difficulty. Sut
II is likely they will have It referred
back TO the respective constituencies.
May Hold Piebiscite.
In southern ireland II probably yvcssd
be referred 10 the Dali Eireann, al
though inasmuch as that body was
elected only recently on a republican
platform, II Is hinted tonight that a
new plebiscite may be necessary there.
In Ulster Il Is not doubted that any pro-
posals referred to it will be settled by
the Ulster Parliament. and Sir James
Craig is confident that he can swing
any reasonable proposal through that
body.
MIR. Lloyd George went to-day TO the
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