The New York herald., 1921-05-04
Trying TO Get the bylaws.

"wnl you as secretary" Mr.. Inter
nyer asked, wire this member organi-
zation and ask for copies og its consti-
tuition and bylaws" Mr.. Hanley asked
leave to think the matter over, saying
lie would inform Mr.. Untermyer OF his
decision to-day.
Earlier In the day the proceedings
We're not without incidents sometimes
enli2htening. more frequently amusing.
Oral tits and salltes characterized the
testimony OF Alderman Collins, who was
not asked to waive Immunity. The
chamber was packed throughout the
hearing by an audience that sometimes
applauded the witness and sometimes
the examiner.
Alderman Collins admitted he told
Mr.. Cetti that he favored his applica-
ton ane that be Shouldn't be kept out
any longer" lie said by this he meant
that he favored report.ns the resolution
out OF committee, and that while he had
intended 10 vote for its adoption IN the
board he could not speak for his col
leagues on tho committee. Mr.. Inter
myer wanted 20 know what 1t was that
caused the Alderman 70 change his mind
between thar occa sion. April 8. and the
time of the meeting OF the board, April
Is. inas;nuch as there had been no open
posal
Mr.. Collins threw the major por; OF
the blame for his turning thumbs
down" On the proposal when IL reached
the board on Alderman Robert Starr
Allyn. who. he said. had made some In
sulting remarks about ''unscrupulcus
Tammany Hall politicians" He added
that Alderman John J. O'Rourise's op-
position because the Badger meter was
not made In New York might have in
fiuenced HIN, but not ITO any very great
extent"
Mr.. Unternyer wanted 10 know IN Al
derman Collins did not regard his action
as q violation of his oath OF office In
changing his mind and voting against
a proposal of the merits of which he
said he had been convinced. Mr.. Col
ins said he did not SO consider IT. lie
said he did not believe the Introduction
of another water meter was going TO
make "houses spring up over night and
bring rents down.
Mr.. Collins insisted that when final
action was taken he explained why ne
was to vote against It. Mr.. Cetti testi-
fed that Alderman Collins never uttered
a word on the proposal in open meeting.
The discrepancy was permitted TO re-
main unexplained. as there are no ste
nographic minutes taken of the boards
proceedings. although Alderman Becker
man. Socialist. and Alderman Bostwick,
Republican. who made charges of for
gerry and underhand work In connection
with the general welfare committees re-
port agreed In their testimony that their
charges went uncontroverted by Alder
man Collins or any one else.
Lcse Majesty Kills the Measures.
Mr.. Untermyer asked Alderman Col
Inns:
when resolution is before the body.
or an ordinance. when an attack is made
on majority leader In any legislative
body that invariably means defeat for
the measure?" Mr.. Collins. who Is the
Democratic majority leader of the board.
replied: "I think so.'
mo matter what the merits may be
or the matter before the house?" pur-
sued Mr.. Untermyer.
when somebody says something like
that / usually forget the merits" Mr..
Collins admitted.
Clarence c. Worden, a reporter for
the Brooklyn Standard Union, testified
he had attended the committee meeting
when II was decided to report the meter
resolution favoraoly. Later. the day
or the board meeting. he said he had
been told by Democratic member
whose name he declined to give on the
ground that It was a confidential COM
municetion. that the resolution was TO
DC defeated because orders had gone
out to kill H." Another Democratic
Alderman. worden said. told him he
was going to support the resolution.
We'll. how did ne voter Mr.. Inter
myer asked.
Il watched him. and when they called