New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1921-07-17
Ulster Government VIII
Be Under Control of SUI
preme Powers of Sinn
Fein, London Hears
De Valera Said
To Have Won Fight
Unembarrassed Negotia-
ton Depends ON Confer
enceofCraig gand Cabinet
BY Arthur S. Draper
From The Trtbune's European Bureau
Copyright, 1921. New York Tribune Tne

Copyright, 1921. New York Tribune Inc.
LONDON, July lebanon de
Valera, president of the Irish re-
public" practically has won don,in-
ion home rule for Ireland on viz
tually the same basis as it exists in
South Africa, according to the best
information that can be obtained in
this time of remarkable secrecy.
Under this plan, Ulster may retain
her present self governing powers
provided she recognizes that the
central Irish authority rests in Dub.
lin in the hands of Sim Fein,
This is the essence of the proposal
De Valera made to Premier Lloyd
George in their conversations yes
terday and Thursday. The Sim Fein
spokesman is understood to have
made an admirable impression on
Lloyd George. The generally ac-
cepted report is that the Premier
considers De Valera and his pro-
posals reasonable.
Crux in irish Negotiations
The crux in the Irish negotiations
was reached tonight, with the STIR
alton eminently satisfactory and 6e-
velopnlents coming with amazing
rapiditv
Sir James Craig, Ulster Premier.
conferred at length with tbs, four nrin-
Clpai members OF his cabinet on the
proposal made to Lloyd George by De
Valera. Premier Lloyd George, can
ceiling his plans for retirement to his
country home, Chequers Court, for the
week end, was at his Office in Downing
Street all day, discussing the new de-
veiopments with the several members
of the British Cabinet who called. De
Valera, who was supposed to be taking
a much needed rest instead was active
in consultation with his advisers, and
it is reported also that he called on
General Jan Christian SHUTS, the South
African Premier.
Before a definite settlement is
reached the government and Sim Fein
must go great lengths to compromise
their differences on matters of finance,
but in the negotiations thus far moth
ing has developed which would indicate
that solution of the problem of Ire
lands financial relations with the Brit
ish Treasury was impossible.
Seek to Fix Status
The vital question in the delibers-
tions, and the one which is engaging
the chief attention Of Lloyd George
and the Irish delegates here, is one OF
political recognition. Once il is de-
cided what status Ireland shall have IN
the future reign Of peace, the negoSia-
tiators believe that the other details OF
| the settlement can be worked out with
out difficulty
As the situation stands, De Valera is
| srss*ing with Premier Lloyd George as
1 tks spokesman for the whole Of Irc-s
Hard, and in the discussions is enjoy
F., ing the same recognition that would
| be accorded a dominion premier.
Some OF the Sim Fein group still
! talk about independence, but their in
| terpretation of the word differs greatly
| from what Americans generally under
| stand and mean by it. De Valera's fol-
lowers explain that they mean that in
| few years the whole British Empire
will undergo a profound change in its
organization and then Ireland will OBJ
tain complete independence along with
| Canada, South Africa and India.
This explanation might be regarded
either as the view of q farsighted
craftsmanship or that Of people who,
! had lost heart in long struggle. When
the Irish and the English were at each
! Cther's throats the word "independ-
ence" seemed frightfully important,
but now that the leaders Of both slider,
are talking things over, over their tea
cups, this and other words are not
nearly so alarming as they seemed.
Much Depends on Ulster
Premier Lloyd George expects to caA
in De Valera again on Monday after
noon Before the week is out the Sinn
Fein leader may return TO Dublin to
lay before the Dali Eireann, or repuba
lcan parliament, the results of his con-
ferences in London.
! All depends, of course, upon whether
Ulster can be placated and brought into
line She is not likely to suffer coer-
cion except in political ways.
Lloyd George believes that he has sr
opportunity to-day which has beer
muffed by some of the foremost British
statesmen of other days, and he wants
to win out in the negotiations. HI
cannot turn back, having gone this far
anu Is tHerelorS laying MS pIanS q
achieve a lasting settlement. To ar
range peace with Sim Fein would to,
the Premier's amazing record IN pubii
! life and make his name still NOR
: famous N history.
!, De Valera and his colleagues to-r1or
row will attend services at the Seusb
. wark Cathedral. where mass IVES sai1
: for Lord Mayor MacSwiney of Corl
? nearly year ago.
| LONDON, July 16 tBy The Associated
, pressN lin scmc quarters 1t IS pre-
/ dicted that a round table conference
may De held Tuesday.
: The Sinn Fein delegates were joines
: this evening by Desmond Fitzgera!d
! Sim Fein minister Of propaganda,. whs
has Just been released from an intern
snent camp. They will remain in Lon
don for the week end. exchanging vssis
. with the Irish sympathizers. The mart