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Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1921-12-31
Arc women "horu lawbrcaLrrs ="

W. l.. George. who calls himself AN
English feminist and who IS IN TINS
country to exchange his views for good
American dollars on the lcr'ur" plat
form, says that they are.
Philadelphia women say eluphatICaIIy
that they are not.
Mr.. George j. a writer Of sorts, who
likes 70 "mukr the animals roar lie
landed in New York the Other day, and
rforc he was fairly off the boat con-
hdod 70 the world that he had proposed
~ call his first lecture. "tlav" Women
"raiuSt" That was too strong t0r even
Mr.. George, however, and he changed
il to "Thr Intelligence OF Women.
Mr.. Grurg" wants every body to know
rMr he thinks women really do have
Intelligence, in the main, just like a
mans. lie says, however, that woman
/, IA natural lawbreak"r. law
gnorcr" and has the constant impulse
TO 20 in by the door marked this way
out,
Women Easy to Read
Also, out OF his deep knowledge OF
the feminine heart and mind, lie IS con-
vuccd that women are not 50 dlfhcult
to read, ," as men are unwilling 70 try
tu take the trouble to read them. 'Nery
,flcn," said Mr.. George, husbands
know what their wives are up o. and
don't lrr on; they have other things
10 do.
Mrs. Norris :. Barratt, wife Of Judge
Rarratt, doesn't approve Of Mr.,
Georges views In general, but thi nks
he may have lucky shot In hls last
dlctum about men not giving all their
thoughts to their women folks.
''The rest of it is all bosh, Of couree,
said Mrs. Barratt. II do believe,
though, that We are less consciously
in our husbands thoughts than some
would have us believe, We may be IN
the back Of their minds. That Is t.
,ny. the best Of our men, think, are
largely actu0ted by desire 10 do thtngS
thar will make their women proud OF
them.
Men are so busy making way
for themselves, so busy with their
ambitions, their plans for doing good
10 the world at large, or for maxim
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1921-12-31
CHAMBER GETS QUIZ
Attitude on American Valuation
Asked in Questionnalre

Members of the Philadelphia Cham.
bcr of Commerce have been sent ques.
tIonnairc, which Will determine the
chamber attitude toward American
valuation when the subject is brought
before the United States Chamber Of
Commerce.
The individual Is asked TO put him.
self on record favoring or disappearing
the plan, or csc favoring postponing
tariff legislation until world conditions
become more settled.
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1921-12-31
Sneak Thieves Rob Two Homes

Sneak thieves continue 10 b" active in
various parts rf the citv. The home uf
James Howard, 4llI brandy wiuc
treet. was entered yesterday while the
family was away and clothing valued
at $3.50 stolen. The home of \. Borrell
Ellsworth SGSScs s'rsf' o cotSin. o Snd ieery
worth 500.
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1921-12-31
Evangelist RAIDER to Preach

Iycn RAIDER, Chicago Chemist an'
rcviya'ist, viii sncak at 7:45 o'clock
tomorrow evening AT the Community
Church. Oxford Presbyterian. liroad
ond Oxford streets, on "ParQblrs and
Yet in the Rib'e."
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1921-12-31
Hospital Nurse Robbed

Miss Helen Swim, nurse in the
Woman's College Hospital, North Col.
egc avenue and Twentieth street. re.
ported 10 the police today the theft OF
coat, patent leather bag, fountain pen
and tlashlight, valued in all at 500.
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1921-12-31
etowawaY Eludes Canturs

Police ar" locking for John Hansen,
Swede, who was found hiding IN the
coal bunkers Of the steamship Monna
Just before docking here at Girard
Point. When Hansen was looked for
TO turn over to immigration authori.
ties y yasifound he had Ssseaped.
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1921-12-31
saIoonman ls Held for Grand jury

Joseph White, saloon proprietor at
1901 Ridge avenue. was held in $500
hail for the Grand Jury by Magistrate
Rcrshnw today. after Detective Mellon
testified h" bod purchased drink Of
'iouor from White.
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1921-12-31
TO DEDICATE SYNAGOGUE
Congregation Atereth Of Israel La.
dies Auxiliary to Present 2 'Torahs'

dies Auxiliary to Present 2 .Torahs'
Congregation Atercth of Israel OF
OVERLOOK, will dedicate their new
hui ding. 1913 North Sixtieth street, at
s o'clock tomorrow afternoon.
At the dedication the Ladies' Aux
iliary will present the congregation with
two "Tornhs." The officers of the
Ladies' Auxiliary are: Mrs. B.
SrhwartzrnbcrG. president; Mrs. II. l..
SCHNEIDER, secretary, and Mrs. II. Ross.
treasurer.
The new building will be utilized for
regular religious services. as a school for
the children and communal center.
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1921-12-31

is a graduate Of the West Philadelphia
High School.
He and his bride met when he was IN
the navy in 1918, when he had occasion
to visit villa Maria College on fur
lough. Mr.. IIoran will continue his
legal studies.
The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1921-04-14

Work up to and Including Thirtieth
VIII Be Completed Today.

The degree work of the Scottish
Rite reunion started this morning
with the comforting of the twentieth
degree-that of the Master of the
Symbolic Lodge. The twentieth de-
gree occupied the entire program I'M
til the lunch hour. This afternoon the
remaining degrees, up to and including
night the thirtieth degree will be con-
ferred.
Friday will be devoted to the thirty
first and thirty-second degrees, with a
banquet at the end of the reunion, FRI
day night, which will be attended by
the class now receiving the degrees,
and the present members of the order
who have attained the thirty-seeond
degree.
The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1921-04-14
North Topeka Meus

Items for this column may lie left at
Petrs's drug store, or telephone Eleanor
KimbaII, 1881 after o'clock. Other
tours. $3.50.
The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1921-04-14

These savings to us
means savings to you. All
high-class standard mer-
C h a n disc reasonably
priced.
The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1921-04-14

The Buick ear belonging to F, P. Rude
of Rochester road, stolen Tuesday evening
the police yesterday at Fifteenth and Lake
streets. Three tires. were gone and the
battery was damaged thru the unsueeess-
full effort of the thieves to steal it They
have not yet been found.
The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1921-04-14

Amity temple, 1os Pythisn Sisters, will
hold the regular meeting Friday evening
at the hall, 900 Kansas avenue The an
tertainment. @so1 -
The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1921-04-14

There will be a, meeting this evening at
when the members viii! consider the choice
of a new location for their new church,
which is to be started building soon. The
Laurent streets. which had been decided
on, is thought undesirable owing to the
contemplated extension of tracks in the
neighborhood by the Union Pacific rail-
road.
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
STOCKS and BONDS
STOCK MARKET

NEW YORK, Feb. 2S.-Although sentiment in financial circles over the weekend seemed to be more hopeful. that feeling failed 10 find tangible expression in today's dull session of the stock market.
 Shorts effected further depression of prices among various specialties. notably shippings, motors and their subsidiaries, chemicals, textiles, uti- lities and other issues, extreme losses in these groups of one to four points establishing several new low records. Sales were 100000 shares.
 The status of the iron ana steel in dustTy was the subject Of much de bate, but the trend of related shares gave no hint of any immediate changes respecting prices and wage revisions.
 Western and southwestern centers reported a moderate halt in the re cent revival of general business. Railroad tonnage there showed further declines and reduction of steel deli verieS was accompanied by a shrink age of coal traffic Commodity mar kets were unsettled, new low quota. tions for cotton options coinciding with additional wage cuts in the tex tile trade. The latter in several in stances represented 50 per cent since the deflation of prices.
 The money market was featureless. Foreign exchange operations were trivial save as to London and Paris bills. The international credit situa- tion reflected the anxiety felt in Europe concerning the discussions among the entente representatives.
 Weakness of international issue featured the broader dealings in the bond market. French republic eight's made a new low record of 9615 and several Belgian and Danish flotations also registered new minimum prices Most domestic bonds, including Liber ties, eased. Total sales (par value) S11, ,275, 900.
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
TREASURY DEPARTMENT United States Custom SeN ice Collection District No. 26

Fort or NaCo, Arizona,
 February 2S 1921. NOTICE OF SALE OF SEIZED GOODS To whom it may concern:
 Notice is hereby given that there will be sold at public auction Co the highcst bidder in United States currency. in front Of Customs House. at Naco, Ari- zona, on the Fifth day of April. 1921. at Two o'clock |. M.. the following mcr- chaudise seized for alleged violation of the custom laws. to wit
 One Ford Five Passenger Automobile. Motor No. lOSNlNl. Seized from Nshor Genites February i3. 1921.
 All persons claiming the ahovc-de- scTihed merchandise will be required to appear and file their claims for same with the Collector of Customs at the Port ot \ogales. Arizona. within Twenty (2O) days from the date of this notice: otherwise, the merchandise will be sold specified.
 CHAS. r.. HARDY.
 Collector of Customs. First Pub. 3-i-2i
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01

SEE '. NJ. C. A. Auto School, Los Angeles. None better. Start right
 S452-2-2S
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
GRAIN
CURES

Furnished by [. J UEkkLOCK. BROKER
 CorrespoEGen: Logan 6 Bryan
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
NOTICE FOR PUBLICATION
 OiT56e Denartn,ent Of Tha lntaHIor

First Publication. 2-19-21
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
TREASURY DEPARTMENT United States Custom Service Collection District No. 26
 Rnrf nf Nnnn Al.iznn


 Port of Naco, Arizona.
 February 2S. 1921. NOTICE OF SALE OF SEIZED GOODS To whom it may concern:
 Notice is hereby given that there will he sold at public auction to the highest bidder in United States curren9N. in front of Customs House. at NaCo. Ari- zona. on the Fifth (5) day of April. 1921. at Two o'clock r. M., the following mer- chandise seized for alleged violation Of the custom laws, to wit:
 One CD Ford Five Passenger Automo- bile. Motor No. i3956iO. Seized from Rafael Ramirez and Alfonso Madrid, Feb. g. 1921.
 All persons claiming the aboVe-dc- scribed merchandise will be required to appear and file their claims foIS same with the Collector of Customs at the Port Of Nogales. Arizona. within Twenty (2Op days from the date Of this notice: otherwise. the merchandise will be sold as specified.
 CHAS. r.. HARDY.
 Collector Of Customs. First Pub. 3-i-21
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01

FOR SALE
FOR SALE-REAL ESTATE

FOR SALE-4-room modern cottage, Tombstone Canyon; Groom modern cottage in Warren, furnished, $6250.; 4-room bungalow, Tombstone canyon, S17OO.OO cash; Groom bun galow in Warren, new, modern, up- to-date, S3500.00, terms; 7-room house Johnson Addition. S1500.OO terms; S-room house in Bisbee, colse-in, furnished. S1500.00. terms. Insurance. all lines, protection that protects. S6OO.0O0. 100000 assets. If you do not see what you want in
 above list, phone 26, we will get it for you. No. 5I Main St., Phone 26- LITE. S'O0 IF
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01

FOR RENT-Four room furnished
 house with screened sleeping porch
 No. 705 Shattuck St., Warren. Phone 475-R. S776-3-6
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
TREASURY DEPARTMENT United States Custom Service Collection District No. 26


 February 2S. 1921. NOTICE OF SALE OF SEIZED GOODS To whom it may concern:
 Notice is hereby given that there will be sold at public auction to the highest bidder in United States currency, in front of Customs House. at Naco, Ari- zona. on the Fifth (5) day of April. 1921, at Two o'clock |. M.. the following mer- chandise seized for alleged violation of the custom laws, to wit:
 One Ford Truck. Motor No. 100 1898. Seized from Joaquin Matus, February l6, 1921.
 Ali persons claiming the above-de- scribed merchandise will he required to appear and file their claims for same with the Collector Of Customs at the Port of Nogales, Arizona. within Twenty (20) days from the date of this notice: otherwise. the merchandise will he sold as specified.
 CHAS. l.. HARDY.
 Collector of Customs. First Pub. 3-l-2l
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
FOR SALE OR TRADE

FOR SALE OR TRADE-I60 Acres good farm land, we'll improved. abundance of water in North Mo. corn belt. Will trade for Warren District property or small amount of cash will handle on sale basis. Box S65, Warren, Arizona.
 S766-s-5
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
RATES One consecutive insertions tdaiys Six consecutive insertions lone week. r~enty-four consecutive .3sections monthI
 Minimum charge. 26

IIassleo al . rtion the
 
  10 u ex each presentation
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
FOR SALE

TUX SALL
 SEE ME FOR bargains in real estate houses in all parts of the district; Now is the time to buy; houses to rent in Bisbee and Warren. List your property with me for sale or rent. I represent old reliable fire insurance companies, see me for rates. Insure your property with me. M. c. High, Allen Bldg. Phone 55 S7S1-3-tf
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
FOR SALE
FOR sALE-MoToRcYLEs

FOR SALE-Motorcycle Al condition cheap, S1OO. owner leaving town, ad- dress Review, Box S745.
 2TA6
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01

'. z. Land Office at Phoenix. Arizona. February F. 1921.
 Notice is hereby given that Maude F.. Williamson. of McNeal. Arizona. who. on August ?. 1920. made Homestead Entry. No. 0t1566. for S I-2. Section II. Town ship 2l-S.. Range 25-E.. c. & $. R. B. X Meridian. has filed notice of intention to make Three Year Proof. to establish claim to the land above described. before James Allison. L. S Commissioner. at Bishee. Arizona. on the 2ith day or March. 1921.
 Claimant names as witnesses: Arthur Hamrick. Pat Mclaughlin Bryan Gillespie. and James Jones. all Of McNeal. Arizona.
 CHAS. l.. MARSHALL.
 Register. First Publication. 2-I9-el
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
Legal Notices
NOTICE FOR PUBLICATION
 04T23S

Department Of The Interior U. s. Land Office at Phoenix. Arizona February F. 1921.
 Notice is hereby given that John w Baker. of Hereford. Arizona. who. on January 21 1921. made Homestead En- s 1-2 SEE l-4. Sec. 10. SW I-4 and F i-9 Section 20. Township 2S-S., Range 2S- F.. q. X s. R. E. & Meridian. has filed no- tiCe or intention to make Three Year Proof. to establish claim to the land above described. before James Allison. T.. .. Commissioner. at Bishee Arizona. on the 2ith day of March. 1921. Claimant names as witnesses: Mary Brown and Cormal NJ Coins hoth of Stark. Arizona: George l.. Dunn. of Hereford Arizona: Homer R. Fike Of Stark. Arizona.
 CHAS. F. MARSHALL.
 Register.
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
iegal Notices
IN THE SUPERIOR COURT In The County Of Cochlse,
 State Of Arizona

TN TIE SOFEhlOH COChl
 In The County Of Cochlse,
 State Of Arizona N'nii''D0 Fe''"' Plaintiff. , Epimino Perea,
 Defendant. ) Action brought in the Superior Court of the State of Arizona. in and for the County of Cochise and the Complaint filed in the said County of Cochise, in the office Of the Clerk of said Superior Court:
 The State of Arizona Sends Greeting: Epimino Perea. you are hereby re- quired to appear in an action brought against you by the above named Plain tiff in the Superior Court of the State oi Arizona, in and for the County Of CoChIse, and 10 answer the complaint ..led t.lv, eui within twenty days (eXclu- -Nr Oi lnv udy Ol serVlce) after the ser '.>c on ou oI tnIs summons uf served "ttlIn the county, otherwise within thir- .y day sJ or judgment by default will be taken against you according to the prayer oi said complaint.
 G.sen under my hand and Seal of the ouL erlOr Court Of the State Of Arizona, m and for the County Of Cochise. this 18th ody Of January. in. the year of our Lord. one thousand nine hundred and (seaD Clerk.
 By H. P. JOHNSON.
 Deputy Clerk. First Publication 2-1-21
 NOTICE FOR PUBLICATION.
 02934S
 Department Of The Interior, |. $. Land Office at Phoenix. Arizona. February 2. 1921.
 Notice Is hereby given that James E. Riley. of Box eS3. Warren. Arizona, who, on February !. 1916. made Homestead Entry, No. 02934S. for E 1-2 w l-2, SEE l-i. Section [. Township 23-S., Range 6-E.. G. q; s. R. B. & Meridian. has filed notice of intention to make Five Year Proof. to establish claim to the land above described. before James Allison. U. s. Commissioner. at Bisbee, Arizona, on the 18th day of March. 1921.
 Claimant names as witnesses: George F. Hart, of Route No. 1, Me Neal. Arizona; John Habrikorn and Al r. Pelot. both of Bisbee. Arizona; Antonio Prince, of Lowell Arizona.
 CHAS. E. MARSHALL.
 Register. First Pub. 2-1l-21: Last Pub. S-12-2I.
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01

FOR SALE-In Warren, new groom modern house, high class finish throughout, built-in features, corner lot. 50xI25. See John P Steffes, at house afternoons, 3:30 to 4:3O. Briggs and Hovland St, Warren Phone S67-R. S7SS-3-o
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01

GET YOUR Easter order in for a new suit from Detmer's beautiful spring woOlenS made here. Philip DOff- man. The Reliable Tailor. Allen Block ,i {. }. k ls S7es-$-s HAVE YOUR old suits altered and made new by Phillip Doftman, The Reliable Tailor. Allen Block
 STUS-S TYPEWRlTING-Trsnslation in span ish. Letters and all kinds of d0Cu- mcnts. By Prof. A c Gonzalez Eeasonablc charges 1" Howell Ave Opposite Y M. C. A SIiI-S-i0i
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
MISCELLANEOUS

AM NO ROUND the corner tailor Been here seven years; will be here seven years longer. can make you suit for S5O00 and up. Phillip Doffman. Allen Block.
 SSO0-3-13
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
FOR SALE FURNISHED HOUSES

FOR SALE - Completely furnished house, two rooms and kitchenette, s2Oe. Close in. No steps. Box S32-
 S7S0-3-1
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01

FOR RENT FURNISHED HOUSES FOR. RENT-3-room furnished house
 with sleeping porch. 137-A Brew
 cry Avenue. S191-3-6
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01

FOR RENT - Six room furnished house. Warren. Phone 969.
 S797-3-5
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
FOR REM

AUTOMOBILES FOR RENT RENT A CAR. Drive your self Cars rented to responsible people. By the hour, day or week. Caston's Auto Livery. Lowell, Phone PIP.
 o7n5 Q %
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01

First Pub. 3-1-21
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
WANTED-FEMALE HELP

WANTED Competent cook. Mrs, Arthur Notman. Phone 232.
 S792-3 6
Bisbee daily review., 1921-03-01
WANTED
WANTED-AGENTS AND
 SAlESMEN

EXPERIENCED premium salesmen to handle arvertising and sales propo sition. Men capable of earning s100.OO to SSOOO0 weekly preferred. Address Box 6, Station ", Cincin- nati, Ohio. 8796-3-1
 WANTED-MALE HELP
Daily Kennebec journal. [microfilm reel] (Augusta, Me.) 1870-1975, 1921-08-19

Washington, Aug. 1S.-The Stanley
amendment to the anti-beer bill-de-
signed to safeguard through heavy
penalties a mans home and property
from illegal search for liquor-was re-
garded tonight as the stumbling block
in the way of the measures final
enactment prior to the recess next
week of Congress.
The fight over this provision of
the bill, adopted unanimously by the
Senate, broke Unexpectedly in the SEN
ate today and prohibition leaders de-
clared it more than likely all beer
legislation would go over until next
fall with the possibility that the
treasury department meanwhile might
issue regulations under which beer
could be manufactured and prescribed
for the sick.
Because of the evident intention"
of Senate conferees to destroy the
Continued on Page 8-Col. p
Daily Kennebec journal. [microfilm reel] (Augusta, Me.) 1870-1975, 1921-08-19
BOOZe-Laden Yacht
from Canada Seized
at Whiskey Island

Cleveland, Aug. 1S-Police early to-
day took seven men and four women
into custody in spectacular seizure
of the steam yacht Venice, said to be
in the service of whiskey ring oper-
ating in Canada and the United States.
The seizure, made at Whisky Island.
west of the Cuyahoga river, netted 90
cases of imported wines and liquors.
Six of the men seized. including
Captain William L. Curry of Toronto.
said to be the owner of the yact. are
held at police headquarters. All are
charged with violating the prohibition
law The seventh man. the engineer.
will be taken to headquarters later.
The four women were held for inves-
tigation.
Captain Curry. according to Police
Captain Costello, said the liquor seiz-
ed was valued at $4,000 and the yacht
at $4,000. The liquor was placed on
the Venice at Toronto, Curry said.
The women. he said. had no knowledge
Of the nature Of the enterprise believ-
ing they were on a pleasure trip. All
four women are from Canada, one be-
ing a Montreal stenographer. Curry
said
Daily Kennebec journal. [microfilm reel] (Augusta, Me.) 1870-1975, 1921-08-19
THIRD MAINE WISED Up ON
Ways and WILES OF war CAS-
IN TOUR OF DUTY At DEvENS

Camp Devens, Aug. 16.-(SpecialO
Gas that is something-that's what
the members of the 3rd Maine In
fantry have learned about this week
at Camp Devens.
They haven't seen any gas. nor
smelled any gas. But they have
heard about what it can do and what
to do against it. The boys from Au-
gusta and other political centers
have given special attention to the
instruction.
Sunday afternoon, they went to the
Liberty theatre and heard a short
talk from Capt. C. ]. Mcintyre of the
18th L. S. Infantry about the chemi-
cal.
The next war will be a chemical
war" Capt. Mcintyre said. you
don't have to take my word for it,
but everyone agrees that that is what
will result"
And then he said something more.
Just a few words, but they meant a
whole lot.
The United States now has gas
that is called Lewisite. 1t is so pow
erful that three drops on man
skin will kill the man"
The officer gave no further inform
alton than that. He then announced
that his talk would be devoted Who'll
ly to telling the men' about defense
against gas.
Gas is nothing TO be afraid of,
he said. 1T is a mans own fault II
he is gassed. He wants to put or
his mask at the first sign and Their
he will be safe. The odor may be
slight, but it may result disastrousiy
for him later"
Some wonderful official motion
Continued on Page 1o-Cel. g.
Daily Kennebec journal. [microfilm reel] (Augusta, Me.) 1870-1975, 1921-08-19
High Seas Must Be
Safe for Booze, Is
Britain'S Protest

Washington, Aug. 18-Formal not
ice that it cannot recognize jurisdic-
ton of the United States over the
high seas beyond the three mile limit
fixed by international law for many
years, has been served by the Brit
ish government in connection with
the seizure - miles off the Long
Island coast of the British schooner
Marshall. reported to have been
laden with liquor.
1t is expected, however, that the
British authorities will await the
outcome of court proceedings and
final establishment of the vessels
registry before any further diplomat
ic step is taken. 1t has been deemed
necessary, however, to give notice in
advance that Great Britain cannot
ac9uiesce in extension of American
jurisdiction over the high seas be-
yond the usual limit