Grand Forks herald. [volume] (Grand Forks, N.D.) 1916-1955, 1921-02-10

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or h Lemke, Cathro faction. va ac-
cusing Waters of the responsibility
OF 1t, and Waters was accusing Cathro
Of the responsibility Of It. 1t was a
7 question of who committed it.
/ g. Another controversy?
A. Yes, not q question OF whether
it was committed or not.
Q. You said hat this so-called en-
bszzlement consisted Of four separate
transactions?
A. Yes. as 1 gathered it from the
different parties.
Q. Now. will you give us. Mr..
Brinton. q statement as to what you
were told, as you say, these TRANSACT
lions consisted. of?
Confirmed by Hastings.
A. Well, a. it was related to me by
Mr.. Townsend and Mr.. Waters and
confirmed by Mr.. Hastings. the money
wa given to Mr.. Townsend and he
carried It to Mr.. Hastings; a thousand
correctly the amount. This was in
currency. Then later when MT. Hast
ings was in New York he made q
draft on the. Bank OF North Dakota or
some OF its employees and this draft
was drawn through some friendly
bank. ]. believe, up near Devils Lake.
l just forget the name Of the bank.
1t was given to' me at the time
rather than through the regular chan
nels. and tho draft was honored and
paid. and then still later, after I had
talked to Mr.. Hastings about it and
Mr.. Townsend and Mr.. Waters, / had
a conversation with Mr.. LAggett, or
rather in q meeting it ~ and Mr..
Liggett confirmed not only these two
transactions but he said there was a
third transaction where Mr.. Hastings
received $500 under an assumed name
by wire. from the Bank of North Da-
kota, in Chicago.
g.t IAegctt Informed Him.
Q. Who was it that told you that
Mr.. Hastings had received $500 by
wire?
A. Mr.. Lgxett.
A. Will you tell me who Mr.. Lig-
gctt is?
A.. He is an employee of the Ma
tiona Nonpartisan league. He Was
n Of the parties that borrowed some
of this money from the Scandinavian
bank. He was handling financial
Transactions at one time and other po-
sitions at other times.
O.. When was it, Mr.. Brinton. that
this item of $500 was transported to
Mr.. Hastings under an assumed name?
4. My entire information on that
is based on he statement OF Mr.. Lig-
Eett, confirming the statements or the
information l had from the other
sources. that there we're irregular
transactions there.
! @. Did Mr.. Liggett say when it
was that this $500 had been transport
ed to Mr.. Hastings under an assumed
name?
A. He said it was at a time when
he and Mr.. Hastings were in Chicago.
They were there together.
Q. Do you know pr have you any
information as to the basis upon
which MIR. Hastings obtained this
$500, what the theory or it was?
A. Well. it was on the theory, as
explained to me. that he was in the
employ Of the bond department. But
MI. Snyder claimed that the transact
ton was erased from the books and
entries changed, and this confirmed
my Of what Mr.. Waters and
Townsend had told me that it was an
irregular payment.
u @. MI. Snyder had told you?
A. I saw a letter which he wrote
ton. and in fact I have the letter in
my possession.
wrote?
A. The transit manager, 20.
Q. q you get that lctter7
A. 1t is in my safety deposit box
in st. Paul.
Q. In the same place you referred
TO yesterday, rs the cancelled check ?
A. I think so. q
May Need Them.
@. You make q note of both Of
those items because We will probably
nave to ask you to 60 m get them.
Can you get them sent up in some
other manner?
A. No, no one else has access to
the box.
q. Do. you remember what the
date of the letter from Mr.. Snyder is
in which he states that the entries
upon the book had been changed?
A. No, l couldn't say that. This
letter was written as a result OF the
controversy over the transaction.
+ The Same Hastings.
Q. Is this Mr.. Hastings that you
refer to. is he the same Hastings who
a Identified with the Valley City
bank deal, so-called?
a. Yes sir. -
@. Can you tell us, Mr.. Brinton, so
as to identify the time a little closer,
whether or not the payment Of this
thousand dollar ten and the $500
item to Mr.. Hastings was before or
after the so-calied Valley City bank
! deal?
A. oh it vast. must have been q
year after.
@. 4 year after that?
a. Yes, quite a long time after.
@. Do you know or have you any
information Al to what was the name
| assumed by Mr.. Hastings under
which he received the $500 in Chi
cage?
A. have no knowledge Of that.
@. The thousand dollar item that
r., .r<.- - A. DeSnt~~ 40 ~
know what the theory OF the payment
of this thousand dollars to Mr.. Hast
| ings was?
a. well. as an employee Of the
bank. that is an employe of the bond
department., .
Q. EDO you know whether or no.
OF haves,yo any information as "a
whether or not he was actually EN-.
ployed. at that time by the bond dc.
partment?
A. Well, I couldn't say AZ to that
I @. You say there was = controversy
with reference to the payment Of thu
money, this thousand dollar item and
this $500 item to Mr.. Hastings?
"A. The only knowledge I have Of
that is as a result OF the discussion
over it after It had taken place.
@. Now tell us what these discus
sions were and when they took place
and what was said at the discussions
A. Well, they were conversations
with Townsend, and
Aslned for Information.
O.. Now let. US take Townsend
what did he tell you about that?
A. When I 1rst heard OF It I asked
Mr.. Townsend about it. I heard he
was the one that carried the money
and he said he did.
Q. Where did you have this con.
~verSation with him?
A. I think it was in the Mckenzie
hotel. I don't remember the place.