Arizona republican., 1921-12-10
Gardner Is Not Insane
 Says Dr. T. Fl. Haines
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in a recess taken for this purpose
 during the afternoon.
 In answer to the tnterrogatories
 made by Attorney Flynn with the
 hypothetical question as a basis, Dr. Haines declared that Gardner was able to distinguish right from wrong
 on Nov. 2; that he did not commit the
 acts charged against him in the in- dictment because of any insane de- lusions, and that he did not commit
 the acts because of irresistible inn pulses caused by an impaired brain. Carl A. Davis, attorney for Gard ner, then began his cross examination of the witness. In reply to the ques- tions of Davis, the physician said that he had gone thoroughly into Gard ner's motives and his belief in spiri- tualism. He testified that when he told Gardner in the county jail who | he was, the defendant said: Are you here to spread reports | that am 'nutty?"
 | When the physician told him that l he was not there to spread any re- ports, but to get the facts in his case.
 and that he would probably be called upon to testify, Gardner asked: Gardner Tells Life Story l CT want to know if you believe that those who believe in spiritualism are i .nutty'?"
 q told him." said Dr. Haines, "that 1 I did not believe this, and l men, l tioned William James to him as as
 example, and he mentioned James 1 HerVey Hyslop, the psychologist.
 Gardner then told me the story of his 1 life.''
 | In, making an examination of the defendant in an effort to uncover his
 delusions, the witness said that Gard
 ner repeated emphatically his belief | that man made laws are not worth
 a snap of his finger if they stand in the way of his spiritual development.
 He mentioned his controls to the phy- l sicians, calling them good and evil
 The expert testified then that what
 Gardner said sounded very much as if he were subject to auditory hallu-
 cinations, but that this could be de-
 ternined only in a hospital where ar Il engagements for the necessary tests
 can be made.
 However" Dr. Haines said, i've do
 not like, in examining patients, to
 take their word that they hear some
 thing. I have no evidence of au- ditory hallucinations on the part Of Gardner, nor of visual Authorizations and in the light of my entire exami- nation 1 am extremely skeptical of the presence of any Authorizations. I am also extremely skeptical of the belief of the defendant in what he asserts are his religious convictions" Net a Paranoiac Davis then asked pr. IIaines if he had examined Gardner as one pos sibly afflicted with paranoia, and the | physician replied that he had made such examinations. A discussion oi paranoia then followed between the witness and the attorney, at the close of which Dr. Haines said: But you understand. Mir. Davis that I never seriously thought ot paranoia and Gardner together after l my examination, for he is not para I noiac." The expert then, in answering Davis question concerning the reason why he thought that Gardner could distinguish right from wrong, sait that no man who could not distin- guish right from wrong and who was \ firm in his belief that he must follow his spiritual guides without question \ could have written to Presiden E Harding asking for a pardon for hi \ past offenses and drawing in thu | letter a pitifuI word picture of hii \ suffering wife and baby. Davis then asked the physician i it is possible for one so minded tc stimulate various forms of menta \ derangemenI, 10 Whlcn the witness replied:
 "Simulators can simulate any form of abnormality they desire" Could they simulate mental de engagement as as to deceive alien ists?''
 \ Tt would be possible for one t, carry on a stimulation that would de
 ceive examiners for weeks. even il such a poor stimulation as some of u have in mind!"
 The witness then repeated his as
 sertion that he had not considere,
 paranola as having anything to d
 with the present case, whereupon h \ was asked what form of mental de
 engagement he might consider the de \ fendant to be suffering.
 Calls Him Trouble Maker" He is a 'psychopathic personal \ ity,' Dr. Haines replied. "A psy \ chopathic personality in one who's .a moral and social nature is lily devel