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The New York herald. [volume] (New York, N.Y.) 1920-1924, 1921-08-15
Dali Eireann's Reply to Premier
Expected to Restate Old Demand

separate bargain with Great Britain.
The nearest approach De Valera makes
to an acceptance of any place within
the British Empire is the suggestion that
Ireland might be willing to join the
British Commonwealth group. but would
only make this concession In order to
obtain listers allegiance.
A new feature IN the Sim Fein offer
Is the proposal to submit the Ulster
problem to arbitration. q proposition
which Mr.. Lloyd George sharply refuses.
The Premier's view IS that Ireland's al
legiance to tho King must be main
tanned, that ireland cannot he regarded
as q separate or foreign Power, and
that therefore no question between the
two countries may be submitted to the
arbitration Of any external authority.
The terms offered by the Government
would apply equally to the North ana
South, and II the two sections refused
to come together they would exercise
powers separately. But a special pro-
vision was made prohibiting protective
tariffs between any parts of tho United
Kingdom. and therefore the North and
South would be precluded from carry
ing on tariff wars against each other.
Thus the South would have no power 10
force Ulster Into n united Parliament,
except by boycott or war The POSSIBLE
ity OF tariff war against Ulster and
finally forcing her to Join the South has
been one OF the chief arguments Of those
who have advised the South to accept
dominion home rule.
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"My Dear Prime Minister--Your
proposals for an Irish settlement now
have been exclusively examined by
my Cabinet and myself We realize
the preamble is especially addressed
to Mr. de Valera and his followers,
and observe that 1t implies that diff
culties have long existed throughout
the Empire and n America. attribu-
table to persons Of Irish extraction.
I'm fairness to the Ulster people,
must point out that they have always
aimed at retention of their citizen
ship in the United Kingdom and the
Empire, of which they are proud to
form a part, and there are not to be
found in any quarter OF the world
more loyal citizens than those OF Ul-
ster descent. They hold fast to cher
ished traditions and deeply resent
any infringement of their rights and
privileges, which belong equally to
them and to other citizens within the
Empire
The text then recalls the sacrifices
made in agreeing to self-government and
in consenting to the establishment of q
Parliament In northern Ireland. and
continues:
Against our wish, but In the In
terest of peace, we accepted this as
the final settlement Of the long out
standing difficulty with which Great
Britain has been confronted. We are
busily engaged In ratifying our part OF
this solemn bargain. while the Irish
men outside the northern area. who In
the past have struggled for home rule,
have chosen to repudiate the Gov
eminent OF Ireland act and press
Great Britain for wider powers. To
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dominlons came by consent. the docu-
ment continues:
I'm no conditions can they consent
10 any proposals which would kindle
civil war in ireland. Such war would
not touch Ireland alone, for partisans
would flock to either side from Great
Britain. the empire and eiswhere, with
consequences more devastating 70 the
welfare both OF Ireland and the empire
than the conflict to which truce has
been called this month"
The document concludes as follows:
1.-THE British Government will there
fore leave Irishmen themselves to deter
mine by negotiations between them
whether the new powers which the new
pact defines shall be taken over by Ire
land as a whole and administered by a
single body, or taken over separately
by Southern and Northern Ireland. with
or without joint authority TO harmo-
nize their common interests. They will
willingly assist in negotiating such a
settlement if the Irishmen should so
desire
by these proposals the British Gov
eminent sincerely believes they will have
shattered the foundations Of that an
cient hatred and dstrust which has
disfgured our common history for CEN
turtles.
THE future OF Ireland within the
commonwealth is for the Irish people to
shape. In the foregoing proposals the
British Government have attempted no
more than a broad outline OF settle
ment. the details OF which they leave for
discussion when the Irish people have
signifed their acceptance OF the prin-
ciples of this pact"
The document is signed by David
Lloyd George.
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ioin in such pressure Is repugnant to
the people of northern Ireland.
I'm the further interest of peace
we therefore respectfully decline to
determine or to interfere with the
terms OF settlement between us TO
safeguard the ties that bind US TO
Great Britain and the empire. to In
sure that we are not prejudiced by
any terms entered into between them
and Mr.. de Valera. and to maintain
the Just equality exhibited through
out the Government OF Ireland act.
"Our acceptance OF your original
invitation to meet in conference in
London holds good. and II at any
time our assistance again Is desiredF
we are available. but / feel bound to
acquaint you that no meeting is pos
sible between Mr.. dc Valera and my
SELF until he recognizes that North
ern Ireland will not submit. TO any
other authority than that of His
Majesty the King and the Parliament
OF the United Kingdom. and admits
the sanctlty of the existing powers
and privileges of the Parliament and
Government of Northern Ireland.
I'm conclusion let me assure you
that peace is as earnestly desired by
my Government and myself as by
you and yours. and, although we
have nothing left to give away. we
are prepared, when you and Mr.. dc
Valera arrive at satisfactory set
Element, to cooperate with Southern
ireland on equal terms for the fu-
ture welfare of our common country.
In order to avoid any misunderstand-
ing or Misrepresentation of our views.
intend to publish this letter when
your proposals are made public
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OKUMA WOULD CLING
TO ZAP AND SHANTUNG
Ex Premier FoUors Resisting
Interference With Status.
BIZ the Associated Pres

TOXIC, Aug. IL (Delayed) Former
Premier Okuma. in an interview pub
Iished here to-day, was quoted as say
ing that If any of the Powers should
attempt to interfere with the agreement
reached at Versailles concerning the is
land Of zap and Shantung the Japanese
should oppose such interference for tho
sake Of the honor of the Empire.
Tho fact must be recognized. NJ,
Okuma added. that Siberia Is so vitality
connected with South Manchuria, where
Japan has invested 450,o00000 yen. that
Japan's special position in Siberia should
be accorded. Generally speaking, M
Okuma said, Japan's delegates to the
forthcoming conference on Far Eastern
questions must insist on the right to ex-
istence OF the Japanese people and pro-
lection for the Asiatic peoples generally
in furtherance of the principle of uni
versal equality.
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AMERICANS CREDIT
TO GERMANY FAILS
Bankers on This Side Stop Ne
gotiations Because Of Many
Uncertainties.
SPEYER AS INTERMEDIARY
Currency Depreciation and
Bankruptcy Similar to Aus
tria's Feared.

Special Cable to THE NEW YORK HERALD.
Copyright, 1891, BY THE NEW YoRK HERALD.
New York Herald Bureau,
Berlin, Aug. IA.
An enormous credit deal, involving
s25, 1000 to s5o.ooo.Ooo partly from
the American War Finance Board in
which James Speyer was intermediary,
has failed. Negotiations with the Ger
man Government had been virtually
bankers expressed unwillingness to con-
tinue further.
An American financier familiar with
conditions In central Europe told THE
New YORK HERALD correspondent here
that America could not grant Germany
a years credit because OF the great
uncertainty that still exists regarding
reparations and the Upper Silesia ques-
ton. The fundamental flaw In the
Speyer transaction was that the credit
was to run for year. This was In
contrast TO the Mendessohn Dutch
transaction for 100000 900 gold marks
and the warburg credit of s7,000.o00 for
American foodstuffs, both OF which were
short time loans. The Warburg transac-
ton involves ninety day credit raised
by international acceptance of the bank
ing corporation through q group OF
American banks.
The American fnancier declared that
Germany would be menaced by currency
depreciation and bankruptcy comparable
TO Austria's within two years unless the
Allies agree to fix their demands WITHIN
reasonable limits. He summarized the
situation thus:
THE French, themselves threatened
with bankruptcy, have a claim upon
bankrupt Germany which Is double Ger
many's assets. The future hangs on
whether the French will consent to CON
solidating the credit to within payable
limits or will remain infexible, thereby
bringing about a financial disaster
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HARDTNGS SLIP AWAY
FOR TRIP TO BALTIMORE
Visit Ill Wife of Attorney
General Daugherty.

BALTIMORE, Aug. 14.--Leaving Wash
ington quietly. only the White House
attendants knowing his destination,
President Harding made a flying auto
mobile trip TO Baltimore this afternoon
to pay a visit TO Mrs. Harry M.
Daugherty. vito of the Attorney-Gen-
eral OF the United States. who has been
Ill for month in Johns Hopkins Hos
pital.
With the President were Mrs. Har-
ding. Attorney-General Daugherty and
George b. Christian, secretary OF the
President They arrived about 5 80
o'clock and stayed for an hour.
The Presidential party slipped out OF
the White House about o'clock, dur
ing the rainstorm. accompanied only by
Secret Service men. They got away
from Washington without attracting at
tention. and were equally successful
throughout the trip in escaping public
notice.
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Continued from First Page.

are profoundly attached TO the
Throne.
These facts permit of one an
swer, and one only, to the claim
that Great Britain should negotiate
with ireland as a separate and for
eign power.
when you. as the chosen repre-
sentatives of Irish national ideals,
came to speak with me, I made one
condition only, of which our pro-
posal plainly stated the effect-that
Ireland should recognize the force
Of geographical and historical facts.
1T is those facts which govern
the problems OF British Irish rela-
tions. If they did not exist there
would be no problems to discuss.
pass. therefore. to the conditions
which are imposed by these facts.
I'VE set them out clearly in six
clauses in our former proposals,
and need not restate them here, ex-
cept to say that the British Gov
eminent cannot consent to the ref
erence of any such questions which
concern Great Britain and Ireland
alone to the arbitration of foreign
Power.
I'VE are profoundly glad to have
your agreement that Northern Ire
land cannot be coerced. This
point is of great Importance, be-
cause the resolve of our people to
resist with full power any attempt
at secession by one part of Ireland
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PRINCE LEOPOLD NOW
FORCED OUT BY SWISS
Berlin Friends Pay Debts;
Hopes to Enter Austria.

Special Cable 70 THE New YORK TiERALD.
Copyright. 1871. By THE NEW York HERALD
New York Herald Bureau.
Paris. Aug. II.
Prince Friedrich Leopold, Jr., of
Prussia. commonly known as the black
sheep OF the Hohenzollern family, has
been forced to leave Switzerland, accord
ing to Lugano correspondent Travel
ling as Count Vahringen. the Prince
Is now said to have taken up his resi-
dence on the shores OF Lake Como.
neither the Italian nor the Swiss Gov
ernments agreeing to protect him since
they discovered that he was personally
unable to pay for his losses at the gam
bling tables at Lugano.
His Berlin friends came to his rescue,
however. and promised to cover all the
debts. amounting to more than 100000
francs. II the authorities prohibited him
from playing In the future.
The Prince. however. has opened nego-
tiations to enter Austria early In Mo-
vember and intends TO occupy one of the
numerous castles owned by his father.
who Is cousin Of the former Kaiser
Wilhelm.
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GEOGRAPHICAL POSITION
FORBIDS FREEING IREL AND

carries with 1t OF necessity an equal
resolve to resist any effort to CO.
cree another part OF Ireland to
abandon its allegiance to the Crown.
I'VE gladly give you the asslr-
ance that we will concur in any
settlement which Southern and
Northern ireland may make for
Irish unity within the six condi-
tons already laid down, which APP
ply to Southern and Northern Ire
land alike, but we cannot agree to
refer the question of your rela-
lions with Northern Ireland to for
eign arbitration,
1.-The conditions of the proposed
settlement do not arise from any
desire to force our will upon the
people of another race, but from
facts which are as vital to 1reland's
welfare as to our own. They con-
tain no derogation from Ireland
status as a dominion, no desire for
British ascendancy over Ireland
and no impairment of Ireland's ma
tional ideals.
"Our proposals present to the
Irish people an opportunity such as
has never dawned in their history
before. We have made them in
sincere desire to achieve peace, but
beyond them we cannot go.
1--WE trust you will be able to ac-
cept them in principle. ] shall dis
cuss their application in detail
whenever your acceptance in prin-
chile IS communicated to me-"
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ISHH TAKES STEPS FOR
HEARING SILESIA CASE
Members Of Supreme Council
to Fix Meeting Date.
BIZ the Associated Press.

PARIS. Aug. 14.-viscount Ishii. presi-
and Japanese Ambassador to France
has sent kilograms to Leon Bourgeois,
the French representative in the coun-
Gil /: Arthur ]. Balfour of Great Britain
and Paul Hymans OF Belgium. who are
On holiday in Switzerland and Savoie.
and also the Marquis Imperiali OF Italy
and DR.. v. X. Wellington Koo OF China.
who are In England, asking their opinion
as to whether the council should meet
in Paris or Geneva and on what date or
IL the council should await the regular
scheduled meeting in Geneva on Septem-
Der to consider the Upper S.lesian
question.
viscount Ishii will be unable to decide
before he hears from his colleagues.
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CROWDER TO TAKE UP
ATTACK ON MAJ. FOSTER
Marine Commander Reaches
Havana for Conference.

HAVANA, Aug. f4.---Col. G. s. Hnl
commander OF the United States Marines
~ Camaguey arrived In Havana tonight
and tomorrow will confer with Legation
officials and MaJor-Gen Enoch H. Crow
der concerning the attack at Camaguey
on August 10 on Leroy Foster, reserve
major Of Engineers. alleged to have been
made by two Cubans. and the search
which is declared to have been made by
American soldiers Of the alleged assail-
ants home.
Neither Government officials nor the
American Legation would comment on
the incident
The incident has given rise To editorial
comment on the presence OF United
states forces In Camaguay, and reports
that President Zayas has presented a
protest 70 the American Legation.
The New York herald. [volume] (New York, N.Y.) 1920-1924, 1921-08-15
FRIENDS OF CHARLES
PLAN DEMONSTRATION
Would Celebrate Ex Rulers
Birthday on Wednesday.

BUDAPEST, Aug 14.--The followers Of
former Emperor Charles are planning a
demonstration here next Wednesday, the
birthday of the deposed monarch.
Several Deputies have protested against
holding the proposed demonstration and
have asked the Government to interfere.
In reply Premier Bethlen declared:
II shall stop the preparations IL they
develop into propaganda for the return
of Charles"
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GIimmer of Hope Seen.

Although no attempt Is made to mini
mize the peril to the Irish negotiations
resulting from the crisis brought about
by the reply of the Irish republican gov
eminent to Premier Lloyd Georges pro-
posals, the Sunday newspapers find a
glimmer OF hope in the fact that no rup-
ture In the negotiations has occurred
The London Times reluctantly con-
cludes on the basis of opinions held In
very high quarters" that De Valera's re-
ply IS regarded by the British Govern
ment as equivalent to the rejection OF its
proposals.
"Rut we have not abandoned hope. .
saws the Times. However, there can be
no settlement until Irishmen understand
that Engishmen have hearts and con-
sciences and that our nationality has the
indefensible right to protect itself
against its enemies. Let them under
stand that and the door is wide open to
their own liberty"
THE future OF ireland lies in the
hands of the Dali Eireann, which meets
Tuesday" says the Observer. THE very
best offer must be made in the next few
days. 1t il believed the Sim Fein has
adopted the method OF placing its claims
as high as possible. asking more than It
expects. but calculating to get more by
this means than otherwise. What is
wanted now is a more thorough discus
sion between the delegates OF the Dali
Eireann and representatives of the u
ster Parliament.
THAT the Sim Fein adhere to sepa-
ratist terms which makes reconciliation
with Ulster impossible Is unbelievable"
Information concerning the Irish ne
gotIations is grave" says the Express,
which adds that there Is talk of refusal
and breach In the negotiations" The
newspaper expresses the opinion. how
ever. that the whole empire and the
conscience Of civilization itself demand
that the chapter OF foul assassination
never be opened again."
The strict observance of the truce
to date, says the Express, has proved
that the opposing elements are under
control
Whoever can face the responsibility
of reinstating thVera of horror will have
to take his place before the bar In the
open court of human Justice" the En-
press declares. Irish peace must and
will come now"
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MOTOR sTALLsi TRAIN KILLS a,

BOWLING GREEN, Ohio Aug. 14.-slx
persons were killed at Weston, o., 10
night when their automobile stalled on
the track Of the Baltimore and OHIO
Railroad and was struck ~ a passenger
train.
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Trenty u Proposed.

The document proposes that the con-
dtions OF settlement be embodied In the
form OF treaty, to which effect shall
be given by the British and Irish Par
liaments.
The form In which the settlement
Is 70 take effect" II adds. will depend
upon ireland herself. II must allow for
full recognition OF the existing powers
ana privileges or the Parliament and
Government Of northern ireland.
THE British Government entertains
the earnest hope that the necessity OF
harmonious cooperation among Irish
men OF all classes and creeds will be
recognized throughout Ireland. and Will
welcome the day when by these means
unity IL achieved. But no such common
action can be secured by force"
Declaring that union In the other
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PARIS BREAD PRICE CUT.

PARIS, Aug. 1.-THE Bakers Fedora
ton has decided to reduce the cost OF
bread one cent pound beginning on
August %. The milkmen have increased
the price OF milk one cent quart, the
increase becoming effective Immediately
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gracious speech in Ireland last month.
FOR a satisfactory solution OF those
age long irish problems which for
generations embarrassed our fore
fathers as they now weigh heavily
upon u.s. and they wish to do their
utmost to secure that every man OF
Irish birth should work in loyal Co
operation with the free communities
on which the British Empire is based.
TLey are convinced that the Irish peo-
PIE may find as worthy and compete
an expression OF their political and
spiritual ideals within the empire as
any of the numerous and varied ma
tons united in allegiance to his Maj
estys throne and they desire such
contamination not only for the well
fare of Great Britain and Ireland and
the empire as a whole. but also for the
cause Of peace and harmony through
out the world.
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Ulster Remains True to Empire,
Croig's Comment on Peace Moves
By the Associated Press.

BELFAST Ireland Aug. r4The of the Ulster Caolnes
proposal for signed by
Sir lanes Craig here to-day reads:
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world Awaits settlement.

WOEtu AWnltS Setticment.
There is not part of tie world
where 1rishmen have made their
homes but suffers from our ancient
feuds No part OF it but looks to this
meeting between the British Govern
ment and the Irish leaders to resolve
these feuds in a new understanding
honorable and satisfactory to all the
people involved.
"The free nations which compose
the British Empire are drawn from
many races with different histories,
traditions and ideals. In the Dominion
of Canada the British and French
have long forgotten the bitter conflicts
which divided their ancestors. Ln South
Africa. the Transvaal Republic and
the Orange Free State have joined
with two British colonies to make a
great self-governing union under his
Maiesty's sway. The British people
cannot believe that where Canada and
South Africa, with equal, or even
greater difficulties have so signally
are determined that so far as they
themselves can assure it nothing shall
hinder Irish statesmen from joining
together to build up an Irish State in
free and willing cooperation with the
other peoples of the empire.
Moved by these considerations the
British Government invites Ireland to
AXE her place in the great associa-
ion of free nations over which his
Majesty reigns. AS an earnest OF their
0 enable Ireland to face the future
With her own strength and hope, they
propose that Ireland shall assume
orthwith the status of a Dominion.
With all the powers and privileges set
orth in this document.
by the adoption of Dominion status
is understood that Ireland shall en-
,y complete autonomy in taxation ana
nance; that she shall maintain her
nwn military forces for home defence.
Ter own constabulary and her own
aolice; that she shall take over the
IRISH postal services and all matters
alating thereto: education, land, agri-
,ulture. mines and minerals. forestry,
sousing. labor, unemployment. trans
ort. trade, public health. health In
france and liquor traffic, and, in sum,
lat she shall exercise all those powers
nd privileges upon which the au-
,nomy OF f-governing Dominions
based, subject to the considerations
II forth In the ensuing paragraphs
Guaranteed in these liberties. whicf
. foreign people can challenge with
1T challenging the empire as a whole
ne Dominions hold each and severali.
virtue of their British fellowship,
.anding amongst the nations equiva'
snt not merely to their individual
rength. but TO the combined power
nd Influence OF all the nations OF the
commonwealth. That guarantee. tna'
.nowship. that freedom. the whole
n,pire looks to ireland to accept
Then follow six stipulations
The first says that the common con-
arn of both countries in the defence OF
heir interests on land and sea shall be
;ccognized.
Sea Power Defined.
"C-aat Britain" II adds. lives by the
ga her food and her communications
;epend on the freedom Of the great sea
outes. ireland lies at Britains side.
cross the seaways. north and south,
hat link her with the sister nations OF
he empire. the markets OF the world
"a The vital snurccs Of her food sup