The New York herald., 1921-10-08

of the profits of all contracts. He could
not recall how much money he had made
but knew it was not millions"
what did you do with the $4,000 you
got from Sigretto?" Berger asked.
"I paid about $4,000 OF 1t to the Lock
Joint Pipe Company and l think gave
$4,000 or $4,000 to A. e. Spriggs of LIE
Broadway" the witness said.
You are sure to pick man outside
our jurisdiction" Berger commented.
II will pick any one you want and say
anything you want"
| Phillips was asked about his appear
ance before a subcommittee of the
Meyer committee, when he refused to be
sworn. Turning on Senator Douglas
Robinson. who laughed. the witness
said:
You can snicker all you want"
II was there and / know who is tell
ing the TRUTH" Senator Robinson replied
"You tried to bully me. but you did not
get away with it. Laugh as much as
| you like. you did not make me testify
or take me to jail for contempt. You
can fence with me all you want to and
] will fence with you. You fellows want
an answer the way you want 1t to APP
| pear in print"
Phillips said he was Under Sheriff in
Queens when William Sulzer was Gov
ernor. He never had a desk in Borough
Hall, he said, and never used official sta
tioneryN because he "knew better than
that"
What did you contribute to the Sig
retto partnership"
Nothing"
"And you got upward of s2S.ooo?
HNyaI ba rAnfrJh,ffed pnfhtpv--nOU
come on"
Behave yourself" Senator Robinson
broke in.
Don't start chastising me-" the wit
ness retorted.
The committee members might learn
something about contracting 'if you fool
around with me long enough" Phillips
told them. He was shown a check for
| s61s by John J. Green and asked
whether he had indorsed 1t to Doc
Matthews There was another check for
| $634. which Matthews cashed. Another
| for $4,000 from the Fox-Reynolds Com
pany was cashed the same way. Phillips
could not recall "offhand about them. :.
but thought doc" might have cashed
them, as he usually had a lot Of money
| with him.
Phillips denied having talked with Mr..
| Connolly just before the hearing started
yesterday He said he never had any
| thing to do with Purcell. never called up
| Fox on the telephone and that all the
testimony given by Fox and Mrs. Dud-
| ley was entirely untrue"
Denies Monopoly in Pipe.
| Mr.. Berger asked IL it wasn't fact
that Queens specifications called for the
| pipe Phillips sold and that no other
could be used. The witness said tnat
was not true, that the specifications al
mitted any pipe company. Asksd to
name any other company dealing In that
material that had got contract fe
said he was not interested In any con.
4 Germ but his own.
Ibid you get that 5000 check that the
O'Rcurke company gave to Doc
Matthews and which he indorssd to
! ycu?" Berger asked.
What do know about that business
| with checks?" the witness answered.
This was one Of the checks which 1t
was testified were turned over to the
Whitman Investigating body and which
han disappeared.
"Do you know Sigretto swore here he
gave you $4,000 on contracts?"
IF he said he gave me anything like
that that makes him liar / gave back
checks from Sigretto for payrolls and
materials; how can tell about
checks?"
Phillips said he was "defunct'' finan-
cially, had only So in the bank. but could
not remember whether he had check
book.
But 1t will come in. don't worry"
When ether contracts we're taken up.
| from which Phillips said he expected 20
get money, he said he was not feeling
well and had cramps and could not re-
member things. He had been waiting a
| long tkne for the committee to call
| him and 1t was getting on his nerves.
| he said. and wanted to get through with
| 1t. He explained re gave money to en-
Gov. Spriggs in payment Of loan.
Arthur M. King, who was associate
with Charles s. Whitman in an invssti-
gaion Of Queen and other subjects.
said that the O'Rourke checks for e. 500
paid to Doc" Matthews for missionary
work In Queens were not turned over
TO the Whitman investigat tors. as was
testified by Marvin Scuddsr, expert a.
countant The checks cannot be found.
me witness said that In his investiga-
ton OF Queens he found nothing that
involved the Borough President or his
estigation." The Whitman inquiry.
he explained. did no. have jurisdiction
u. Queens, but was concerned only In
whether crime had been committed IN
New York county.
The hearing was adjourned TO nexr
Monday forenoon.