New-York tribune., 1921-12-16
It's Effect on America

LONDON, Dec. 10 (By The Associ-
ated Press ss).-Secretary Churchill, in
the House of Commons, dwelt upon the
evil effect which defeat of the treaty
would have on British interests
throughout the world. and especially in
America, owing to the discredit to the
country involved by the terrible events
IN Ireland during the last two years
lie said doubtless Irish resistance could
be crushed if the country were willing
to employ enough men and employ them
long enough. Moreover, the nation
would face the sacrifices and obliouv
thereby involved if there were no other
way, but he declared another way had
been found which had created an en-
tlreiy new situation. He said ne failed
TO see how fiscal autonomy could be-
come peril to Great Britain. because
ne said there never was a country so
dependent on another in economic mat
ters as Ireland. In any case, he de-
clared 1t was impossible to deny to
ireland what every other dominion long
ago had exercised.
Ihere was not the slightest doubt
that completely satisfactory CONNER
clal convention covering not only Great
Britain but Ulster could be negotiated
on terms OF mutual advantage, he said.
WITH regard to the navy, nothing had
been conceded, In his opinion, which
was essential TO England's security.
Dealing with the criticisms of the
extremists of both sides, Mr.. Churchill
expressed the conviction that no re-
sponslble body Of men could be found
anywhere who would solemnly declare
that 1t would be justifiable to lay Ire
land waste with the scourge of war or
drag the name of Great Britain through
the dirt IN every part of the world. He
was sure the people of England would
refuse to join in such war when the
problem had been reduced to these
manageable dimensions. There must
be no fanatical quarrel el-monperinr.
Applauded All Over World
Mr.. Churchill concluded by declaring
that the whole world appIauded the
treaty as stroke of British genius.
that every friend of England rejoiced
and every foe was dumfounded
There was not parliament through
out the empire that would not indorse
the treaty, If such a procedure we're
needed.
Ronald McNeill. Unionist for the
Canterbury division of Kent, bitterly
criticized the treaty.
Sir Laming Worthington- Evans. Sec
retary for War, in winding up the de-
bate, defended the treaty. He empha-
sized the limitation which the treaty
imposed on the raising of an Irish
army and denied that the treaty gave
Ireland the right to build navv; it
only stipulated that at the end Of five
years there should be conference on
the advisability of Ireland assuming
her own coastal defense, as the other
dominions have done.
~ Il
House of Lords, declared he listened to
Lord Curzons speech yesterday in favor
of the pact with the greatest astonish-
ment.
He declared the Foreign Secretary s
remarks were not original, adding that
their substance had been delivered on
many occasions by John Redmond land
statesmen Of that type" Lord London
derry proceeded to declare that Lord
Chancellor Birkenhead, one Of the nego-
tlators of the treaty, had embarked on
gamble, the consequence of which, if
1t failed, as he believed it would, nobody
could predict
Lord Londonderry argued that the
Union OF South Africa offered no anal
ogy whatever to the Irish situation, and
declared this treaty was only q tempo
rary palliative and not permanent So
luton. He declared that the govern
ment which had failed to suppress re-
bellion would not be able to prevent
secession.
Vote Expected To-day
Lord Londonderry, who is a member
of the Ulster government, limited that
Ulster might refuse TO nominate a
representative on the proposed bound
ary commission.
Viscount Bryce admitted that the