The New York herald., 1921-05-17
Continued from Fo'st PG9e.

foreign policy Is that this unit
must In the last instance deter
mine ey the will OF the majority.
We are willing TO make every pos
sible allowance for the Will of the
I. minority, but we cannot concede
70 them the right to deprive US
of our indepe ndence or 60 dictate
10 us any arrangement which in
the opinion OF the majority would
subordinate Irish interests TO Brit
fish interests The minority N Ire
land must not expect position OF
privilege II would not and could
not be granted without destroying
.he very foundations OF democracy.
II is a position OF privilege which
would not be granted because II
could not be granted IN any ooun-
Try in tho world In home az
fairA on the other hand, and IN
tho local administration Of any
part Of II, we are ready TO meet
representatives OF the minority and
see II II In possible by negotiation
70 give such guarantees for the
security OF their interes,s as make
them loyal, contented cttizenA
The interview with Mr.. De Valera
came about through chance meeting OF
Martin 0lynn Of New York with Premier
Lloyd George just before Mr. Glynn
sailed for America The Premier then
went further than he ever had gone be-
core. declaring ne would meet De Va
lera or other leaders without condi-
tions or promises"
: wished to Arrange Meeting.
Evidently the Premier evinced lively
appreciation Of the situation, for his dec
laration came vigorously at the end Of a
long talk. He authorized Mr.. Glynn 70
convey his words to the public press or
to the Irish leaders themselves. On ac-
count Of the necessity Of his appearing
soon in court in Albany. Mr. Glynn was
unable to remain here to convey the
words himself. and hence deputed the
correspondent OF THE NEW YORK HERALD
to ask De Valera to put his statement.
beside that Of Lloyd George. with the
hope that 1t might lead toward the meet
ing the Premier said he desired.
The visit to De Valera was not at
tanned without difficulty. IT was neo-
essary first 70 apply to an intermediary,
informing him what the applicants busi-
ness would be. In this manner the re-
quest was forwarded through mysterious
channels, while the applicant was or
dered to stay close to his hotel. as the
summons necessarily must come without
warning. In the present instance It re-
ouired a wait of three days before the
arrangements were completed. On the
evening Of the third day clean faced
,oungster approached THE NEW YORK
HERALD correspondent In the lobby OF
the hotel and said:
1no nnaPV
Yes"
Then come along he commanded.
A block away a rickety old automo-
bile sputtered, with another vigorous
youngster at the throttle. The corre-
spondent was bundled into the back seat
while his companion gave a suspicious
shift to something In his pocket.
But he was anything but the type
that might be implied by the term gun
man. This clear-eyed enthusiast was
clean as a hounds tooth. Then followed
. wild career through the Dublin streets,
the guide chatting easily his part IN
the Sim Fein. but suddenly setting his
lips when the lorr!es passed.
Youth Fears Torture.
"I don't mind getting shot. he said
quietly. but know too much and they
would give me a very rough time
L were captured. That means torture.
But it was hard to assume torture
OF the decent looking young soldiers
manning the lorries. The reform OF the
auxiliaries already has gone long way.
in Dublin, and complaints
of unnecessary roughness are diminish
ing. although there is no diminution
In the thoroughness OF their work when
Jobs are done.
After twenty minutes we reached the
door Of a pleasant villa. The journey
had been admirably designed to con-