New-York tribune., 1921-10-06

say to you about securing this pier for
yos, as against the competition that
there was for it; that is, getting it
away from the other applicants and
getting it to you? Alt was a ques-
tion of finding some one that had the
necessary influence to control the pref
crence of the pier.
Q. In the City Dock Department?
A. Not essentially the City Dock De-
partmcnt. but some one who had in
fluenec in the City Dock Department.
Q.-Who had the influence with the
department, whether he was in the de
partment himself or not? A.Yes.
c. Do you know or were YOU in
formed as to the name or identity of
the influential person whose services
were desired? A.-No.
Q.-What you were interested in was
getting the pier? Affecting the pier.
Q.-And though you had to pay high
to get il. You were not interested in
Knowing who got the money? A.
Exactly.
@ How did he refer to them or
describe them? Them referring to the
persons of influence. A-As friends
who had influence in the Dock Depart
ment.
Checks Shown as Evidence
@. New, the payment 10 Mr.. Lough-
eed was made in several installments?
A.-To the best OF my recollection it
was made IN two installments.
g. show you a check. No G52,
dated Juno ), 1918, to the order OF 3.
and ask you if that was drawn by you
and delivered to Mr.. Loughecd? A.
Yes, that check was drawn by me and
delivered to Mr.. Lougheed yes.
Q.1Ihen show you check Of Octo
Der Is, 1913, No Bold. drswn to the
order of b. W. Lougheed, in the sum
OF $4,000, and ask you whether that
was paid to him? A. That was paid
to him. Just what reference it was
paid to him, MIR. Walstein, | cannot
say.
Q. Now, the check of June 3. 1918,
for $4,000, you know was paid to Lough-
eed as part of his conversation in
obtaining this pier, is that correct?
A That is my recollection; yes, sir
Q.-The voucher states For account
of temporary loan on demand. 10000 y
that is not correct. is it? Alt was
correct at the time; yes, sir.
Glow did it become incorrect? :?
A.-Because at that time the pier had
not yet been obtained, and this was
temporary loan that we made to him
lease was obtained the loan would be
written off and he would not have to
pay it. The lease being drawn, the
loan was written off and he obtained
the 800 900.
Q.-The check of October IS, 1918,
for $4,000 is stated upon the voucher
attached to be for payment on account
Of services rendered III connection with
Pier "a, North River, New York. as
agreed, $4,000? A.-Yes. sir; making
two payments thus far of S25 900
Q.-Now. check 35l4 for $4,000 is
stated upon the voucher thereto at
tached to be for temporary loan on de-
mand at 6 per cent per annum $4,000.
You do know, do you not, that the
books of your corporation show that
the loan also was forgiven? Ayes,
we'll, whether it was forgiven in con-
nection with the pier transaction or
some other transaction ! could not say.
My best recollection is that $25, 900 is
the amount paid for the pier.
Sets Sail for Europe
Captain Mayer then said that Loug-
head came into his office on September
@, the day Mayer had been supoenaed
20 appear before the subcommittee of
the Meyer Committee, and talked to
the captain about the matter On the
same day 1t was learned he had booke
passage on the Olympic to Europe, sail
ing two days later.
In connection with the leasing of
this pier to the France & Canada peo-
pie, for period Of five years, at a
rental Of $4,000 d year. George L.
Trembley, shipbroker of Bayonne,
y. j.. testified that he had made an
offer of rental Of from $95 900 to
100000 year for these piers to the
dock commissioner in behalf Of his
clients, the Associated Operating Com
pany, but that he didn't even receive
q reply from the commissioner.
Mrs. Wamsley wasn't sure of the
identity of Sutter at first, although
she had picked him out Of a chamber
filled with spectators. After closer
lnspectation and listening to the sound
OF his voice she swore he was the man
that came to her home IN Essex County
on the trail of DR.. Alters.
Sutter. when put on the stand. ac-
cused the committee OF trying 70 fas-
ten indefinite charges against him, in
ssting he "never received a cent for
this or any other case" When con-