New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1921-08-26

pendent upon the proceeds of this
stand, | would not like to see her put
out; isn't there no way Of arranging
these matters ?" He says, mo, l want
her out. | want Mrs. Katenkamp out
| said, What about Turner" He said,
We'll, we cen FIX that up l said.
What do you want ?"
Q-You said, What do you want 2"
Ayes And he said, $500"
Go ahead. Al told Mr.. Turner
that if he wanted to stav.in that mar
so ! took Winters over to Mr.. Turner
and said Jim, meet Mr.. Winters" and
he met him, and that was all.
Q.-After you introduced him You
left? Al lett
Q-Now, about the case of Mrs.
katenkamp. Did you introduce Mr..
Winters to Mrs Katenkamp? Al
interceded for Mrs. Katenkamp and
done most of the conversation that APP
piled to this particular case. ! carried
on the conversation with Mr.. Winter.
Q.-Now, what was that converse
ton between you and Mr. Winters in
reference to Mrs. Katenkamp's case !?
Al said, "Wnat are. you going to do
out; don't want her to stay. We have
some one else for the place
Q.-Have you told me all the CONVEX
sation with Mr.. Winters about TIE
Katenkamp case? Ale said &c
wanted $1,000.
Alleged Demand for $1,000
Ooh! When did he say that? A.
Some time during that month dur
ing the period we were negotiating for
the woman to stay there.
told you that he wanted $1,000? A.
He was insisting on having the woman
out; didn't want her to remain there.
He said he was going to Washington,
and for $1,000, if he could fix it up for
$1,000 after he went to Washington,
it would be all right. SO | went to Mrs.
Katenka~n and said, "You will have TO
put up 81 1000"
Q.-What did she say? Al haven't
got it,"
Q.-What Gid you do about it? A
said to Mrs. Katenkamp: "Well, you
will have to get out" So, then, MIR.
Winters went off, and | believe he went
to Washington, and he came back and
he said: "Well, how did you MAKE
out p [ said: Il can't do anyth ing
with Mrs Katenkamp: she has not got
the money" He said: "Well, let her
get out"
Q-Didn't he ever reduce his price of
$1,000? A-Yes, he came to --. | said
why do you want TO put this woman
out she is dependent upon this for a
living ?"--and so on, and he said well
will cell you, we will make it $500"
Odd yeu report that to MIS-
Katcnkamp? Al went to Mrs. Katen-
kamp and SAID: you will have to put
up $500; it has been reduced' She said
Well, | haven't got it." said
"Worse and worse; here is where
throw up my hands,"
Q-While the price was 1000, you
had volunteered to help her out, hadn't
you? Al tried to get the woman tc
remain there without nickel.
Q-Oh, understand that; but when
you thought she was up against it IN
less she paid 900 you had volun-
teered to help her? A-When he sale
$500 and she said she couldn't pay it
said: "You will have to get out
Then Mr.. Minder came into the PROPOSE
ton and she Didn't put up a nickel
William Minder, who got Mrs. Katen-
kamp her permit without much ado, is
president Of the Washington Market
Merchants Association and a member
Of Mindcr & Son, provision dealers il
the market
O'Malley Appears to Relent
Minder said he had been informed
one day last summer by Mrs Katen-
kamp that she was about to be dis
posed, and showed him her disposscss
notice This was after Fgger had han
died the matter and thrown up his
hands,"
Questioned by Mr.. Wallstein about
the transaction, Mr.. Minder said:
II proceeded to go to COMMISSIONS
O'Malley's Office
Odd you have a conversation Will
the commissioner? Al had con
versation with the commissioner in re
lation to Mrs. Katenkamp's case ant
explained to him that there was moth
ing wrong with the woman and sh'
son why she should be put out of tn,
market because her husband died, ant
the things I had heard he had beer
laboring under were in my mind falls
reports, and after going into it yer,
thoroughly with the commissioner h,
said he would give it further consid
Grafton. | was next subppnaed by tn
Commissioner Of Accounts office. Mr.
Hirshfield.
Q-Had you seen Mr.. Winters? A
Yes, sir, had seen him in the market
Odd you see Mr.. Winters confer
ring with Mr.. Eggcr? Al have seer
Mr.. Winters talking with Mr.. Egger
but the duties Of Mr.. Winters woult
bring him to the market 10 talk to an,
merchant.
Direct Dealing Thwarted
Odd Mr.. Egger report to you tn.
conversation he had with Mr.. Winters
Ale did.
Q-What did he say to you? A
HIS conversation was that it was neces
sary to leave the matter in the hand:
OF Mr.. Winters. | told him that ! hat
already been to the Commissioner o
Markets direct, and saw no reason t,
&c through Mr.. Winters. Nevertheless
MIR. hgger could not disconnect himsei
with the case, apparently, and con
tlnued 70 deal with MT. Winters
Q-What did Alr. rrper tell YOU q.
TO the situation, in the conversation
as between him and Mr.. Winters? A
The Katenkamp matter could be set
tied and adjusted and the woman lef
alone if she would pay $1,000.
Q-Mr. Egger told you that 81 ,00
was to be paid to him? A.-Yes, sin.
Q.-To whom? A.-For Mr.. Winters
Q.-Proceed Al told him no
while | was president Of the associ
alton would anything 60 on like that
| called Mr.. Eggcr and Mrs K.tcn
kamp together to see If there was no
some way Of breaking down this at
tempt to get the widow TO pay $1,000
and he confirmed it that Mrs. Katen
kaMp was willing to give $500.
Q.-That IS, Mrs Katenkamp sal,
she would be willing to give S5O0?. A
res sir. told her to bring tire $500