The New York herald. [volume] (New York, N.Y.) 1920-1924, 1921-07-21

according to Burns to-day. thought the
Sox had better win the third game as
'the betting odds were switching to Gin
cinnati and 1t was had to get money
down on the Reds"
In the Bribery Business.
"You went to Cincinnati to see the
series?" O'Brien asked.
Eyes, sir" Burns answered
| did you see the games?" asked the
attorney. mo"
did they bar you out of the bal
park?" NO." Burns answered; "bu'
I didn't want to get mixed UP with q
large crowd"
| well, II you didn't see any Of the
games when you came clear from New
York for the series what were you
there for?" O'Brien demanded.
IT was mixed up in the bribery bust
ness" the ex-baseball man answered
clearly. IT was there on behalf of At
tell. Rothstein and Bennett"
O. What Is your right name? A
william Burns.
| O. Is that the name you used wher
you came up here with Ban Johnson to
Chicago? A. mo. sir.
| @. Why did you register at the Great
Northern as WILLIAMS? A. didn't
register.
| O. Can you write? A. Yes. sir.
@. Who registered for you? A. Mr.
Johnson's secretary.
O. What was your first name? A.
don't remember.
O. How did you know who you were
when you went to ask for your room
\ n n tc1, In <1a M
swer to the question.
Q. When you went to Watershed
what was your name? A. Thomas.
| @. Thomas. one Of the Apostles
Where did you stay last night? A. The
Great Northern.
| @. What name were you registered
under? A. Williams.
@. Did they give you anything else
besides 5000 and the name of will
Jams? A. No. sir.
@. When you were travelling around
the country who paid.your railroad
| fare? A. Mr.. johnson. His secretary
| gave 1t to me.
@. Where did you go in Texas when
you went back? A. Devils River.
Q. Was that where you went fishing
A, Yes. sir.
| Q. That's where "Chick" Gandil told
you to go. isn't it? A. guess 1t is.
| .. Told You to go to -. but instead
you went to Devils River? No answer.
| daughter in the courtroom.)
Other questions put to Burns by de-
fence attorney O'Brien were:
| Q. How much have you been paid for
expenses from Ban Johnson? A. Be-
| tween $500 and $500.
Q. How much? A. Three hundred dol
lars. you heard mo.
Q. Is $500 all you expect to receive? A.
| Yes.
| Q. For how long a time did you re-
ceive $500? A. About two months.
| Q. Did Your wife get some of the
money? A. We wsre together
| .. How long were you and your wife
together? A. About one month.
Q. Outside of the $500 you received
from ban Johnson have you any other
visible means of support? A. Yes.
have been in the oil fields.
Burns's Examination Continued.
| Mr.. Burns was there any one else
In the room In the Sinton Hotel after
the second game besides yourself Ma.
harg and Attell?" Assistant States At.
torney George e. German asked, in re.
opening the witness examination Yes
There were four or five besides NV.
/
Q. Did you have any talk with At.
tell? A. Yes
q. Tell us what talk you had A. ]
asked for the money to pay the players
| Q. What did he say? A. He said he
would give us $4,000 but that was all
he could give at this time.
| q. Was that everything that was said
A. Attell said Mr.. Rothstein had $780,
600 on the series and we would have to
walt until 1t was over before we could
| get the rest. So many other gamblers
knew about it that they could not &c,
down all the money. He said the play
ers must have let the other gamblers in.
Q. Did anybody else in that room say
anything? A. Bennett (who has since
been identified as David Zelser) said he
did not want to give the $4,000. That
| was more than we ought to have.
Q. Did you see any money in that
room? How did you see the money.
A. 1t was rolls of money in bills. There
were about six Of them, all the way
from four to ten inches In diameter.
@. Did you see any more money? A.
| There was a suitcase on the floor with
money in 1t.
Q. Was 1t filled with money? A. Hal
full
Q. Was that money in rolls, or how!
A. Tney were piiln6 IL up as tney were
counting it.
Q. Was anything else said by Attell
| or Bennett, or any one else? A.
wanted Maharg to take the $4,000.
Q. Was anything else said about
Rothstein or the gamblers? A. Attell
said that Rothstein had an open wire
from Cincinnati to New York and he
would like to have the money 1t was
costing him.
O. How did that happen to be men,
toned? A. That was mentioned In re-
gard to paying the players.
| @. How much was due to the players
then? A. Forty thousand dollars.
Q. Have you told everything you can
remember? A. All I can remember.
| Q. To refresh your recollection, was
anything said about Pittsburgh gam
blers? A. Yes. man said that Pitts
burgh gamblers were In on 1t and that
they did not get the money down that
they expected.
| O. Do you know who the man was
that said that? A. No. don't
Attorney Ahern objected to any con-
versation with this man unless he was