The New York herald., 1921-10-14

pier "a, LluucOh AASOtt W obtdiA LAG
lease of which $4,000 was paid
Loughsed. were s251. in 1919 and
$3.50. .oss in 1920. Francis c. Rippon
read the figures from the company's
ledger.
Most Of the pier space was leased to
foreign companies while American ships
lay Idle in the port" Mr.. Luckenba
stated He has been In the shipping
otsl.eas To- thrty-five years and IN ad-
dlrion % his a. enty odd ships operated
United States Shipping Board vessels.
,Sven then he could not get piers The
novpp6ng sHa a lease on pier So, Brook
iva, enca wr cancelled by Commits
l91er Hulnes on a charge of prof.
lteefing.
Left without any pier accommodations
the witness said he began trying to get
another pier. He was forced TO send
his ships to other ports. Then began
the fight for either pier 80 or IS. When
he made application, he said. the Com
missioner told him the Cunard and Kerr
companies both had applications pend
ing.
Forced to Appeal TO HyIan.
II said that was not fair; that these
companies had eight or ten berths in
New York." Mr. Luckenbach said IT
could get very little satisfaction. Then
found out that the Thirty-third street
pier had been leased TO the Kerr COM
pany. The reason given by officials In
the department, who said they had in
structions from Hubert, was that the
Kerr company would look after elec-
trical machinery on the pier. ! said
that was queer, inasmuch as we had
put the machinery In shape and It was
covered for the year. The Kerr COM
pany had one side. and then / learned
that a Norwegian line had the other
side. The Norwegian company had one
steamer, which was away for twenty
six days. and we had steamers of our
own and the Shipping Boards lying in
the port
Mr.. Luckenbach went to the Mayor
with his trouble and Mr.. Hylan tele-
phoned to Mr.. Hubert and finally the
company got a permit for pier 80 The
witness said he gave out an interview,
saying there was niger In the Tood-
pile in relation to the leases, and Hull
bert threatened to sue for libel. but he
never did. The company finally got the
pier for S26S. 900. which, he said, was
about eight times what the Germans
paid for It." That lease held until pier
IS was returned to the company and the
latter lease ran out last May,
DO you know Lougheed?'' Elon r.
Brown, counsel, asked.
Yes. he came to see me a number of
times
ITO see II he could aid you In get.
ting back your pier?' +. sre
Yes, that was before got, it back"
What did he tell you he could do?'
THAT he thought he could get that
pier returned to me for $1,000
Did he make any statement to you
as to who wanted the s5o,0Oe?' ':
NO"
For himself. for influence. or any
thing Of that sort?s ,1 ,
IT was not interested in any PROPOSE
tion OF that sort; would not entertain
It fora minute and did not go into any
details"
And did he not give you any names?"
mo. sir
Boosted of Getting Lease. ),
did he say he had succeeded In get
ting a lease for anybody elseT'
Yes. he said he had gotten the lease
for the France and Canada Company"
What did you tell himP"
IT told him that that did mot interest
me at ALL" E !.
Mr. Clegg said he was vice president
Of the Kerr Steamship Company. AL
Beaver street. He told Of getting leases.
you pay anything to anybody excepting
the $4,000 to the city," Mr.. Brown
asked
>'Frc n January /, 1918, until the end
Of 1919 l was only in the office about
two months at time. Therefore. any
reply / make can only be from the
record. The record shows that there
were payments aggregating sA.s6o to-
some other than the Dock Department"
AtOr nf that pevTnif 1b
"The record shows that 1t would be
on account of that permit. exactly"
.'Who that somebody else is you don't
khowr"
''I do not know, SIR"
s'Do you know from your connection
with the company who had charge of
the acquiring of this permit and who
therefore would know about the pay
ments?"
r'Mr. Kerr would know"
where is hep
.'.At present in Europe. He Is either
In England or Norway"
i"You have vouchers for these pay
ments, haven't you?"
Eyes, sir"
The treasurer Of the company at the
time was a Mr.. Stewart. no longer con-
riected with the Kerr corporation. Mr..
Brown produced the numerous vouch-
eTbs III SuHlS AIOlIl $A,vvu ~
$500. all marked suspense account,
cash handed to r. G. Scholz," who, it
was explained, was manager of the
Kerr company. The total Of these was
$3.50
Senator Downing protested that there
was nothing 10 show that the money |
went for any Illicit purpose. The fact Of
the charges being made in the account |
did not prove anything. he said.
F"I am going to supplement this evil |
dence as quickly as ! can." Mr.. Brown |
said. There Is nothing here to show |
who got IL. The money was paid In ad- |
dition to rental. I am not going to draw
any inference that any certain official
got It. You haven't any reason to doubt |
that those moneys were paid on account |
of the use of this pler?''
from the record I say that I have |
no doubt" the witness said.
you have not dismissed any one from |
your company on account OF those pay
nnents. have your
IT only became aware of them yes-
terday."
Mr.. Clegg said he was an American |
and his company an American concern.
OrientaI's Pier Cost $4,000.
The Oriental Navigation Company got
pier 49, Hudson River, In August. 1919 \
Mr.. Gil, treasurer of the company, ssid.
He was questioned by Mr. Brown as
follows:
"And did you make any payments
other than the rent "a, tba rft., o.