New-York tribune., 1921-09-29
and certain other claims as part
ner.
Denial Made by Sntter

and certain other claims as part
ner.
Denial Made by Sutter
When Mr.. Brown began to question
him about the wire-tapping matter he
repeatedly rcfused to answer on tho
ground that the matter was privileged
as being between client and counsel
The story was deftly developed, how
ever, under the examination by Mr.
Brown. Leslie, Sutter and other per-
sons involved in the matter. were, alse
placed on the stand Leslie denied that
Sutter had been employed in conncc-
tion with the case, although he nd
mitted that he hired Shaw, Sutter's
brother-in-law, to do the trailing for
him at Suffers suggestion. Sutter said
he had nothing to do with tho case
and never received any moneys from
Mr.. Leslie for any service whatso-
ever.
Winters testimony ran as follows
in reply to questions by Mr.. Brown:
Q.--During what time were you as
sociated with Mr.. Leslie? A.--During
the year 1920. l began with him in the
middle ct the summer in 1919.
Q.--Then you stayed with him until
what tipae? A.--January /, 1921.
Q.-And were you engaged as coun-
sci in Alters against Alters? Al
was.
Dwell, Mr. Winters, you didn't
have any occasion to use what Sutter
and Shaw told you in the law suit, did
you? Al did not.
information Is Refused
Q.-That is, they were employed in
your office to work on account of YOUR
client? A.-Yes, sir.
Q.-Did you have more than one con-
versatien with them? Al had sew
eral conversations with Sutter.
Q.--And did you also talk with Shaw;
that is, the man that was with him :?
Ayes, sir; l talked with him one
night.
Q.-Now, you may tell the talk you
had with Suter. Al told Mr.. Sutter
that I would not use the information
which he had furnished.
Q.-What information did he fur
nish? A.-Detective reports.
Q.-Was Shaw with him when he
told you that? When you told him
this, that you would not use the de-
tective reports that he had furnished :?
A.--Yes, sir. He said he was his
brother-in-law.
Q.--Did you tell him why? A.-Yes.
sir. told him because it was illegally
obtained.
Q.-And did you have a talk with
Shaw alone during that interview? A.
Yes. sir.
Q.-You took hin, into private Of
ice by yourself, so that you talked with
him alone? A.-Yes, sir, did.
Q.-What did Mr.. Shaw tell you
now, first, did these men tell you OF
the gongs and comings of the defend
ant? A.-They did.
Q.--What did he tell you?!. A.-Well,
closed to me that his testimony was
worthless.
Q-What did he tell you? How did
he tell you he got this information of
the goings and comings of the de-
fendant? How did he say he got it?
A.-By overlapping.
Q.-Tapping whose wires? A.--Dr.
Allers's wires.
Q.-And where did he say he tapped
It? Ain front of a room, where he
had a window
ON what place? A.-well, it is
the first station on Staten Island
don't know the name.
Q.-St. Georges? A.-Yes
Q.-Where did he say it was with ref
erence to DR.. Allers's house? A-Across
the street.
Police Connection Alleged
Q.-And after that, did you see him
and Suffer together? Al took him
back into the room where Mr.. Sutter
was.
Q.-Had you had any previous con-
versation that you couldn't use Mr.. Sut-
official? Al had been told that night
by Mr.. Leslie that could not use him.
Q.-Because he was an official of the
Police Department? A.-Yes. sir.
Q.-And you would have to rely on
Shaw? A.-Yes, sir.
Q.-You told them that you could not
use the information derived in that
way, is that SO? Al told him |
wouldn't use any of it.
Q.-fou wouldn't use any of it. Now,
IN the conversation that you had with
here to the claim that he had secured
the information by personal observa-
ton? A.-Yes, sir; they both did.
Q.-And when you got Shaw alone,
he told you that it had been obtained
by getting it over the wires when they
were tapped? A.-Ycs, sir.
Q.-When you got back did Suffer
admit that that was the fact? Ale
Q.---Now, did both of them come to
yon afterward again and talk with
you after that conversation? A.-Yes,
sir.
Q.-<And when they came to YOU
again did they bring anything? A.
Yes, sir; they did.
Q.-What was it? A.--Little ,nstru-
ments which they said were wire-tap-
ping apparatus.
Q.-They took it away? A.-Yes, sir.
Q.-~And did they explain how it was
operated? A.--Yes, sir.
Q.--What did they say to you? A.
The main wire was tapped and two