Bisbee daily review., 1921-08-28
SAYS TURKS WILL
 NEVER GIVE IN U GREEKS
Associated Press Co:respon- dent Describes kemal
 Pasha After Visit

ANGORA, Aug. 27. - (Bythe As sociated Press.) Mustapha Renal pasha, head of the Nationalist army and virtual dictator of Turkey, in Asia, who is fighting the Greeks, is a short, stockily built man who wears European clothes, speaks French and German fluently and looks one over with keen, gray eyes, the right one of which is marred by cast.
 The Greek offensive was just be- ginning when the correspondent found him at his pretty villa on the hills mile distant from Angora yet he dis cussed it coldly as thought it might affect some other country than his own.
 Mustapha Kemal's name is known throughout the East where he is far more powerful than the sultan coop ed up in his palace at Constantinople under the guns of the allied warships in the Bosphorus. Every child in the East knows his name. Both soldier and politician, those familiar with the American struggle for liberty fre- Quently compare him to great leaders in American history.
 Refuses to Talk Peace
 In his moments of leisure. his Turk ish comrades say he has rare ca pacity for the telling of pleasant stories and something of the sense of humor and innocent fun character istics of the Turks, but these are not often displayed in the presence of strangers. His sterner qualities were shown in his resistance to and con- tempt for the Germans during the great war. and since the armistice. in hiso rganization of resistance to ally peace terms and of the Greek army. At the moment the correspondent saw him, he had just refused to meet the British General Harrington to talk peace terms, as he is convinced that such conferences cannot now have any practical results.
 They won't realize that we are in earnest, that we are speaking the plain truth when we say we will make peace only on our published terms" he commented. "To yield now means turning over my county to the Greeks to foreigners. to fate far more bit ter than that of the Hungarians The only way is to fight on for independ- ence.
 ''Will the Nationalist movement sur vive?" he said, slowly repeating the question of the correspondent. That is a question which interests not only ourselves but is of vital importance to the peace of Europe and to Unit ed States and other countries wish ing to re-establish prosperous world fit to live in.
 "Why don't the allies see this? Haven't they learned anything since the great war ended?
 From an exterior point of view, we Nationalists are trying to prevent the Balkahizing of Turkel, prevent our house being divided against itself. prevent the allies from establishing I zones of influence leading to future | quarrels among themselves" l While out of politness he didn't say
 so, it is known he feels the Ameri- cans should understand and help dip
 lomatically, at least He asked for news from the outside world, for the l stagnation.
 BIames Greeks For War | He objected to the French point of
 view that the Turkish and Near East questions will be solved only when
 is that of Russia.
 1 "Ours is a question in itself" he
 said, land a very important one. From i the point of view of international law l and order, think it is admitted that
 the destruction of say. the Austrian
 empire. has entailed insolvable prob lens. Have every state in the Unit ed States warning with it's neighbors.
 and this will give you a conception
 Of Europe today.
 'Why destroy the fabric that holds the Near East together? No politi
 cal arrangement is perfect but this
 was the best to be found. It is my
 honest belief that a pre-war Turkey
 is still the only solution. with the
 Turks even made responsible, as be fore. for the neutrality of the Straits We have given up to the British and the French Mesopotamia and Syria
 and the peoples there must work out their national destinies as they sef
 fit But where the Turk population
 is in majority we should control ant we expect to.
 Peace? Of course we want it. Il is the allies and the Greeks who con tinue the war. It is running all of us
 but our ruin would bel immediate i
 we accepted their terms. When w | | have gotten rid of the Greeks, we vii
 continue our sincere effort to keel
 going an honest national government
 For one thing. we will clean up Con
 stantinople. morally. During thu
 great war and since the ally occupa
 tion it has become a disgrace to civi
 lization, place that might well b,
 turned to ashes as it stands" Tbara ora ohout cE 00o ,oooD, n. iy,.