New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1921-04-07
Two Who Faced
Red Death Say
Lenine Totters
Fates Bring Officers Whose
Trails Crossed in Arctic 3
Years Ago to Same Table
as Guests Of Merchants
Outwitted the BolsEeviki
Assert Fires Of Revolt Are
Simmering in Russia and
Will Destroy Communism

WV Hch' brltlsh Secret Service
agent and an American Army intclli-
gencc officer, whose paths crossed three
years ago by chance, when they dined
at Russian inn 800 miles north Of
the Arctic Circle. met again yesterday
across luncheon table at the Hotel
Astor. They were Sir Paul Dukes and
Captain Hugh Martin. Both had been
invited to address the members Of the
Merchants Association Of New York on
Russia From Within"
Sir Paul and Captain Martin had not
laid eyes on each other since they said
goodby and went each about his own
country's business, and neither had any
idea Of the identity of his follow
speaker until the chairman, William
Hamlin Childs, started to introduce
one to the other,
Captain Martin spent three and one
half years in Russia under the regimes
of the car, Kerensky and Leninc. Sir
Paul, who spent much of his youth in
Russia and took part in the 1917 revo-
luton, was expelled by the Bosheviki
government and remained in the coun-
try disguisd as q Russian workman.
Captain Martin declared that Bolshe-
vism, not American and Allied block
AIDE. was responsible for the economic
plight of Russia.
They tell you that Petrograd and
other cities of Russia arc dying be-
cause we blockadcd Russia" he said.
"A greater lie has never been spread
upon crcdulous people. Russia is
dying to-day, her industry is gone, be-
cause Bolshevism has destroyed indi-
vidual initiative and human ambition.
There is just one way for Russia to
be reconstructed and that is for Com
munism to fall.
"lf Leninc wants to give in. as some
people would have you believe he has
apparently given in, he has just one
step to take-the rces establishment Of
private property ard tho reestablish-
ment of reward for individual effort.
"The Bolshcvik mas a peculiar nhi-
losophy. Where he finds mind he
thinks he can readily convert he seeks
to convert it. Where he finds a mind
he thinks he cannot readily convert
ne seeks to bcwilder it. He has been
bewildcring the mind of America most
remarkably. He stands ready to make
any promise anywhere. any time, to
anybody, just so long as he can pro-
mote the cause of Bolshevism, and the
moment he finds that a promise no long
CT serves his purpose he stands ready
to break it and laugh in the face of
the man who has been duped.
"a Bolshcvik official told me on nv
last trip to Moscow they had one mo-
tive destruction of all organized gov
ernments and the setting up. of the
World Soviet Republic. ! asked
do you mean to tell me you are
going. to try to destroy my govern
ment:'
"'No,1 he said, 4 do net tell You we
d.
we will do it; we will wreck you from
within as we wrecked Russia from
WitEin.
81 laughed at him, but did not
laugh long after | returned to this
country and saw what they were doing.
Let us not be uuped.
They tell you Bolshevism is chang
ing | tell you that Bolshcvism will
change only when Bolshevism falls.
When Lenine begins to change his pol
icies of communism he knows better
than any other man knows that it
means suicide. He is not the suiciding
kind"
Sir Paul related number of
humorous incidents in which he had
outwitted the Soviet officials during his
surreptitious sojourn in Russia.
"Russia,' he said, "is dominated by
a tiny clique. The population is some
lblnE IKE loO,UUU,UOU. According to
the maximum estimate. given by Lenine
himself. the numerical strength Of the
bolshcvik party amounts to roughly
half a million; that IS to say, less than
tne-half OF per cent OF the entire
Russia nation.
of you go and ask the Russian
worker or the Russian peasant, they
will tell you this is not a dictatorship
of the proletariat, but dictatorship
over the proletariat."
Spasmodic attempts of the workers
to rise against the Bolshcvik govern
ment had failed up until now, Sir Paul
said, because Of the intricate system Of
espionage, modelled after that of Car
list days, and the stern methods of
cruel repression utilized by the Lenine
government The peasants, he added,
had held aloof from The counter-revo-
lutons led by Kolchak and Wrangel
because they feared those movements,
if successful, presaged reaction and
the return of the landlords to owner
ship of their farms.
"But the outbreaks of the workers
will continue" Sir Paul went on. "The
whole of Russia is simply simmering
with discomfort and with revolt. And
the peasant is playing q waiting game.
When he can be perfectly sure there
is no chance for complete reaction,
then he will turn, and he will turn
violently against his oppressors of