The New York herald., 1921-11-03
CROWNS FIGHT rs WON
Sim Fein Presents Stone
Wall on Integrity of Ire
land Being Fixed.
PRESSURE ON ORANGEMEN
Lloyd George Said to Be
Threatening to Resign
Hopefulness Continues.

Special Cable to THE New YORK HERALD.
Copyright, 1871, BY THE New YORK HERALD.
New York Herald Bureau.
London, Nov. 2.
Persons close to Mr.. Lloyd George
are hoping that Ulster will be made to
see the light of reason within a few
days and so facilitate the Irish peace
negotiations that the Premier, who to-
day cancelled his arrangements to sail
for New York Saturday on the Aqui-
tania. might leave here shortly for the
United States to attend the Washing
ton conference. They said Mr.. Lloyd
George was extremely unwilling to
leave the entire field in Washington
to his Celtic friend. Premier BRAND
of France.
British opinion is rapidly crystalliz-
ing to the effect that 1t will not be
possible to reduce the British, and,
consequently. American and Japanese,
naval armaments unless land forces,
which may be Just as important an
element in world peace as are naval
ornaments, also are reduced. Both
fields must be limited simultaneously
one diplomatist told THE NEW York
HERALD correspondent here to-day.
Hence the word from official quarters
here to-day is that Mr.. Lloyd George
will go to Washington "as soon as
possible"
Text OF listers Remittance.
But listers exotic coefficient Of re-
sistancc In connection with an Irish
settlement. still remains to be tested
finally and the Prime Minister'S friends
refrain from setting time limit on his
efforts in that field. Hence no date is
set for his going to Washington, al
though It is admitted he is extremely
anxious to reach there before Premier
BRAND leaves.
Mr.. Lloyd George. Arthur Griffith.
head of the Sim Fein delegation; Lord
Birkcnhead. Lord Chancellor Austen
Chamberlain, Coalition Unionist leader
In the House OF Commons, and Michael
Collins. constituting a committee of Ave
Of the Irish conference. met with in
formal unexpectedness at this even
ing. Following this meeting there was
a persistent air of hopefulness mani
tested on both sides. This was despite
the admission that the subcommittee
was wrestling with that aspect OF the
Irish problem which has meant trouble
for centuries and almost plunged the
country into civil war in 1914-Ulster.
In the light of developments to-day
and yesterday a new Interpretation Is
being placed on Mr.. Lloyd Georges
grave words in the House Of Commons
Monday about "some one else" standing
at the Treasury Box" 1.-THE Premier is
First Lord of the treasury asking the
country to support new warfare in
Ireland Remembering his reiterated
emphasis that only a menace to the
empire or a refusal Of allegiance to the
crown would justify such a war, and
connecting that statement with the
optimistic reflections from conference
quarters yesterday and to-day, Parlia-
mentary lobby gossip tonight deduces
that the question of the sovereignty of
the British crown Is practically settled
in the conference and that only Ulster
is remaining. 1t was further intimated
that Mr.. Lloyd George was threatening
certain Ulster elements that he would
resign II Ulster refused a compromise
which such men as Lord Birkenhead and
Mr.. Chamberlain found fair
Runs Against stone waIr.
It Is true that Mr.. Lloyd George is
rtpo of IN
Fein to yield still further in their con-
cessions to what Eamon de Valera calls
Ulster sentiment" but there Mr.. Lloyd
George has run against a stone wall The
Sim Fein delegates have made serious
concessions on the question of sovereign
ty--concessions undoubtedly which will
require a plebiscite in Ireland TO confirm
but they are sticking as tight for the
integrity Of Ireland as Mr.. Lloyd George
In sticking for the integrity of the
British Empire. They insist that the
veto power. now in the hands of northern
ireland, over an 81 per cent. Nationalist
majority In southern Ireland, be re-
moved.
What is reported as being discussed
to-day Is a scheme for the rear
rangement OF representation in the all
ireland council under the present home
rule act. At present the northern six
and the southern twenty-six counties
have the same number Of votes there.
In return for such a concession the Sim
Fein delegates are reported ready to
promise that they Will not attempt to
coerce Ulster and not to separate from
the empire.
But there Mr.. Lloyd George is UP
against another stone wall OF what Sir
James Craig. Ulster Premier. calls the
granite, not cheese" of Ulster.
In explaining the political situation
back of this. II must be recalled that
Mr.. Lloyd George had the full conf
dence of the Ulster leaders before the
present Irish conference began. Men
like Lord Londonderry. II. N. Pollock.
Sir James Craig and Lord Pirrie were
seeing Mr.. Lloyd George constantly dur
ing the time Mr.. de Valera was in Lon
don. Reflections already recorded from