New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1921-08-26

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ar of A,counts's Office.
Q.-Before, or after? A.-Before.
Odd you have conversation with
him Ayes. | called at Commiss
sioner O'Malley's Office to acquaint him
with the fact that | had been subnoas
nad on this Katenkamp matter and
wanted to advise him of the fact AZ
always had kept him well advised or
any Washington Market affairs. worx-
ing with him.
Q-What did you say to him? Al
told him that we were suhppnaaS
down to the Commissioner OF Ac'
counts Office. He said he knew it. that
the entire matter was in Commissioner
hands, and we would leay.
it rest there, that people were TALKING
about graft, giving newspaper stories
out, and he was going to get to thu
bottom of it. | told him we were goine
to Commissioner Hirshield's ofHre
and that all this stuff getting into ,bs
papers would do the market harm ana
would do harm to Mrs. Katenkamu. tbs
and would embarrass me. MIN
self and the adrini stration, and +ba.
while | had no definite proof that
graft was asked for. except " word ~
mouth, did not feel inclined to drag
anybody into it and put the enbarrasss
ment on anybody's shoulders.
Q.-Proceed. Ale asked me was
it positive fact that | could saw tina,
there was a graft request. | told him
! could.
Evidence of Extortion Plot
Senator Downing.-You told him you
could?
The Witness.-1 told him could. We.
oOr1I,,'f hot >
to drag Mr.. Winters's name into il
when it wasn't my party told him
was going to the Commissioner Of
Accounts Office and tell him the sane
thing and try to ieave out Mr.. Win
ters's name if | possibly could, because
it was to my mind unfair and is now.
unless l have some specific proof to Law
on the man, that ! should defame his
character.
Ny Wallstein then resumed exam
ination.
Q-what did he say to that A
He thought that was mighty nice, and
if that was the case he thanked me
for doing it.
Q-How about Mrs. Katenkamps per.
NIT? Al asked him if could assure
Mrs. Katenkamp, who was in the outer
hall waiting for me, of that fact and
would she get her permit and be able to
continue her business if she woald fol-
low my instructions and testify and try
to leave Mr.. Winters out OF it before
Mr.. Hirshfield.
Q-W hat did he say? Ale assured
me that that would be the case.
Q-And then did you talk with Mrs.
sioner and met Mrs. Katenkamp out
side in the hall and proceeded to the
Commissioned of Accounts Office.
Odd you testify there? Al did.
Q-And Mrs. katenkamp testified
there? Ayes, sir
It developed that Mrs Katenkamp
and Mr.. Minder we're very unwilling
witnesses before Commissioner of Ac-
counts Hirshteld. but upon being
pressed they gave to she Commissioner
the name OF Turner as ore Of the per-
sons who had talked about graft pay
ments in the market. Mr.. Minder then
mentioned Winters as having been in
volved in the reported graft practices.
"Whitevash" Report to Hylan
Commissioner Hirshfeld, it appears.
lid not question either Turner or Win
ers, and made a report 10 the Mayor
leaving out both names. telling the
~ "a VI t4itt t4tf tl3Ci ~ VI ci4t u = ~
demands in the Washington Market
were groundless.
Mrs. Katenkamp began her story by
stating that ler husband died about a
year ago and that she had been con-
Quoting his fish business under his
permit She said when she got her
notice to vacate, in August, she saw
Mr.. Egger. In answering Mr.. Wall
stein, she said
Q.-What did you ask Mr.. Egger to
do? Ale took me up to the Com
missioner's office.
Q.-Ycs, you and he, and who else?
AIR TNner.
Ole went up to adjust his
troubles, too? A-Yes. sir.
Odd you talk to the Commissioner
himself? A We did
Q.-What was the conversation that
took place there? A-Wcn, he said
the permit died with my husband.
Gle said you had to leave the
stand? A-Yes, sir
Q.-What did you say, OF what did
Mr.. Turner or Mr.. Egger say, in re-
sponse to that? A-W left the Office
and Mr.. Egger stayed with Mr O'alal-
Q.-Where did you go? An the
outer office, and waited Tor him.
Q.-And then aid the three Of yen
leave? Ave left.
Q.-What was the next thing tina;
you heard in reference to this matter
of yours A.-Well, then I got an
other letter to vacate.
Q.-From the Department Of Mar
kets? A.-Yes. sir; which ! took over
to the president.
60 Nr. Minder? A.-Yes, sir;
and then he took II in hand.
Q--What conversation did you have
with Mr.. Turner? Ale said it would
cost me $1,000 TO keep my stand
Q.-Was there anybody else within
observation distance A.-fes. sir
knew Mr.. Winters was in Mr. Eegers
Office watching me, and his Office IS op-
2osite mine.
C'Maliey's Aid Listened In
Q.-How many such conversations
did you have with Nh Egger? Al
guess every day N the week for ten
Gays.
Q.-Wherc was Mr.. Winters during
those conversations? A.-Always
around there.
Q.-And then you talked about the
matter with Ir. Minder? Al did.
Q.-HaVe you heard NJ. llncei
testimony this morning? Al did.
Gan vow say whether or not the
statement that he made. so far as il
hes within your knowledge, Is suosta5
tia,'y correct? At is.
Q.-fou did give him the $500 a.
Yes, sir.
Q.-And afterward it was returned
to YOU? A.-Yes, sir
Q.-You were snbpenaed before the
/ COMM ssinuer OF Acconnts2 Al was.