New-York tribune., 1921-04-24
BRAND Said to Have Won
Lloyd George Over to
His Program for Seizure
of the Ruhr Industries
American Note
Factor i'm ParIey
French Leader Expresses
Wish TO Sec a British
Fleet Sail to Hamburg

LYMPNE, England, April 90 (By The
ans intention to abide by the pro-
visions of the agreement arrived at in
Paris last January. With regard to
what steps should be taken to coerce
Germany into meeting her reparations
debt, she agrees that failure by Ger
many to meet her obligations in this
respect should be met with further
pressure.
This became known to-day in the
course of to-day's meeting between
Premier BRAND and Premier Lloyd
George, who came here to confer on
the situation arising from Germany's
stand on the PREPARATIONS question and
what is to be done if she continues her
recalcitrant attitude.
The Allied reparation program as
drawn up in Paris last fall called for
the payment by Germany of 226,O0O.-
100000 gold marks (about $4,000 ,0OO,-
O0O) In instruments extending over a
period of fortytwo years. Besides the
annuities paid toward this fund by
man exports was to be collected to add
to the Allied reparation fund.
NJ. BRAND, at his own request. ex-
planned to the British Prime Minister
at a conference which occupied the
best part of this afternoon and even
ing, the French proposals for setting
up an economic administration in part
of Westphalia, including the Ruhr coal
basin, should the Germans fail to pay
the reparations due May L. The pro
ceeds of this administration. such as
taxation on coal exports and excess
profits duties levied on German indus
trial establishments, would, under the
French plan, be placed in pool out Of
which the reparations would be paid
the Allies.
BRAND Sought Full Unity
Although Lloyd George doubtless
was aware of the general character of
the French plans from the com muni-
cations exchanged between the British
and French Foreign Offices, Nj. BRAND
expressed the wish to explain person
ally some Of the important features af-
fecting the general policy of the Allies,
In order to attain complete unity of
purpose
To-day's conversation, therefore, be-
gan with a rather extended exposition
of the French scheme by M. BRAND
and Philippe Berthelot, of the French
Foreign Office, with Mr.. Lloyd George
interrogating them.
Ihe conversations were held in the
Black and Gold Room Of the residence
of Sir Philip Sassoon. There was no
table in front of the conferees, who
lounged in armchairs. Those present,
in. addition to the principals, were M.
X q M, opar of ;a1
roany French state secrets; Sir Maurice
Hankey, secretary to the committee
on Imperial Defense; Sir Philip Kerr,
Robert G. Vansittart and M. Sylvester,
the latter four assisting Mr.. Lloyd
George.
After tea the Premicrs walked on the
terrace. the foliage of which was drip
ping from the rain. Then they tackled
their task again in the Black and Gold
Room.
Fresh Proposals Reported
During the afternoon word reached
Lympne from Berlin that the German
Cabinet was discussing fresh proposals,
which it was reported might reach here
before the conference breaks up Mon
day and M. BRAND returns to Paris.
M. Jaspar, the Belgian Foreign Minis
ter, will visit London Tuesday to dis
cuss the reparations matter with Mr..
Lloyd George.
Speaking jocularly this evening of
Germany's request to the United States
government that it be the Intermediary
between the Germans and Allies, Pre-
mier BRAND said:
'To hear this gives me pleasure, be-
cause if the Washington government for
warded Germany's proposals it would
doubtless make itself responsible for
their execution"
Premier BRAND, who arrived here
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