The New York herald., 1921-11-18
BEATTY HEADS MOVE
FOR MORE FREEDOM
INNAVAL OPERATION
Ameican Idea Too Hamper
ing, Say Out and Out
Navy Men.
LLOYD GEORGE DUE SOON
He May Arrange to Arrive by
Dec. / if Irish Matters Can
Be Passed.
LLOYD GEORGE DUE SOON
Special Despatch to THE New YORK HERALD
New York Herald Bureau,
Washin0fou ID Nay

SpeCtOt DeSp0tCh 70 l. HE NEW loRk HERALD.
New York Herald Bureau.
Washington. ID. c., Nov. IL.
1t would not be surprising. according
to information in circulation among
the British delegation to-day, if an
announcement were to appear that
Prime Minister Lloyd George will so
arrange his plans so as to arrive in
I Washington about December 1.
While some of the members of the
delegation look with indifference on
participation by the Premier in the
Washington conference, others are
eagerly hoping that he will settle the
| Irish question and come to Washing
ton at the earliest possible moment.
The out and out navy men of the
delegation, headed by Admiral Lord
Beatty. are said to look on the abso-
lutte acceptance of the Hughes plan as
something beyond the possibilities of
consideration. Being technical men,
they apparently cannot see how navy
can be operated if the American idea
is followed out. Some civilian mem
bers of the delegation do not agree
with them.
Fear Abuse OF Submarine.
On one point however. the British ap-
pear to be a unit. Regarding subnna-
Ifnes the position OF the British Admi-
rally was described to-day by leading
member OF the delegation as being abb
nl, nj I'll hn Brit gf, al
come the complete abolition of the sub
marine on account OF the possibilities
of its abuse during the war as what he
described as "a weapon of assassina-
ton"
Regarding capital ships they ere not
so sure. When 1t comes to light cruis-
ers of the sort that were used to pro-
tect their trade against raiders in the
Pacific in the war. they apparently are
firm. The Australians and New Zea-
landers want sufficient OF these vessels
kept to police their trade routes and
there is nothing to indicate that other
members Of the delegation do not stand
with them.
Continued discussion goes on within
the delegation on the matter Of dis
mantlng shioyards and repair yards.
and stress was laid on the danger OF
putting out Of work the highly special
ized experts who work on arnor plate
and other plants whose exclusive func-
ton is manufacture of warships OF parts.
Replacement stand Underlined.
1t was not admitted by any OF the
British that they had ready. or anywhere
near ready. a definite reply to Mr..
Hughes on the matter of replacement.
They denied emphaticaHy that they
knew anything In advance about Adj
miral Kato's announcement that Japan
was ready to consider limitation Of naval
armaments Independently of the Far
Eastern question.
In fact. except on the matter OF the
submarines all of the British delegation
who discussed various phases of the
naval holiday plan fell back in every
instance on their experts. who. they said,
were working hard on the problem. In
this connection they strongly reiterated
their original statement that the Amer
lean delegation had kept it's secret per-
fectly and that the Hughes suggestion
occurred to them AS brand new prop
osition. They still stand on Mr.. Bal
four's speech
A bit OF diplomatic gossip has It that
at all times during the conference either
Mr.. Lloyd George or NJ BRAND will be
in Washington. The condition Of the
political future OF Lloyd George and
that OF BRAND are not unlike In their
respective countries. Each Is in power
but his hold is none too strong. Those
things that might occur in Washington
10 weaken the position OF the one would
also weaken the position OF the other.
Rough figures on the size Of :he Brit
i5h army were announced unoffically by
one of the British delegates.
The regular army OF Great Britain
he said. numbered 100000 and various
forces in all parts Of the British Em-
pire compose 100000 more. The British
were anxious to have corrected reports
that they had abandoned conscription
They pointed out that Great Britain
never had resorted TO conScription ex-
cept as did the United States in the
world war. All their forces of every de-
scription now in use were raised by vol
unteer enlistments.