New-York tribune., 1920-10-23

out AS IL naQ Deen represented to hlm
all the contractors would have had
their overhead charges reduced by 20
per cent. But it didn't work out that
way, he asserted, and he withdrew with
about seven other members
UP to that time. he said. he remained
IN the circle under pressure. for fear
of having his shop closed and business
ruined. He said he was paying his
men properly and had conduc ted his
business on a union basis but that
nevertheless the continuance of the
men at work was uncertain if one was
not a member of the group.
Mr.. Schnaier told of the various
plumbers associations, testifying there
was Mastar Plumbers Association
with about 425 members and n Contract
ing Plumbers Association with about
forty-one members that were affiliated.
Asked, in view of his connection with
these two bodies, why be Joined the
Code of Practice, he said that Het
trick had represented it to him as
means of "eliminating certain unfair
practices among contractors and that
he could do it legally. He said he re-
manned in the organization against
his will
Give Up Part of Business
at involved your giving up per
cent of your gross business asked
Mr.. Cntermyer.
- gave it up very reluctantly"
But you could have resigned the
next month, couldn't you?'
We'll, under pressure"
weren't you a free agent
ITO q certain extent
"W ell. to what extent were YOU not
free agent?'
you brought it out yourself here
with Brindell'
"Oh, you mean that if you did not
belong to that association, even though
you had a union shop, Brindell would
pull out his men, is that it?'
"Mr. Cntermyer, you don't want me
to have my doors closed with a million
dollars worth of business by answering
you these questions here"
"No. but we will close Mr. Brindelvs
doors"
Successor of Sam Parks
Then there Will be somebody else
step in Mr.. Brindel's place, the same
as ne is the successor of Sam Parks"
Now, Mr. Schnaier, take your cour-
age IN your hand and let us try to
~ have courage but have all I have
IN this world at stake, Mr.. Untermyer."
Il appreciate your position perfectly,
but We have got to break up this sort
OF thing and you have got to help"
But you are not going to sacrifice
me in the breaking of it up?"
We'll am going to sacrifice all the
people in it if necessary.'
i wlll answer you truthfully, so
far as the plaster falls from the roof
OF my mouth, but | ask in all fairness.
as man to man, not to sacrifice me on
the altar"
Mr.. Schnaier here testified he owed
a lot of money on "insurance." as paw
ments to the Hettrick group were
known, but did not intend to pay it,
as he did not benefit from the scheme :
He said that the eN.irc membership
Of the Master Plumbers Association,
consisting Of about 41o contractors, had
resolved to enter Hettrick's Code of
Practice, but he did not believe that
they were abiding by the rules.
Lawyers Share $4,000
"Mr. Hettrick's clients were doing
business Of about $4,000 900 a year,
on which they were paying per cent,
and of which Hettrick got l per cent,
were they not?"
Il believe So" replied Scnnaier.
And Hettrick gets $4,000 a year,
representing his share"
Il suppose So"
Who gets the rest of the money?
Does Mr. Brindell have anything to
do with that"
1 don't know. I can only suspect"
At this point Mr.. Levy was called
to the stand for a moment to answer
question with regard to the passing
OF the 900 bribe money which he
said he gave to his superintendent,
George Backer, to be passed On to
Brlndell, as he understood, for calling
off strike on building operation of
his at Seventh Avenue and Thirtieth
Street
MIR Levy said yesterday that the
brlbe money item was entered on his
books under account Of "expedition and
overtime"
This was just a cover, was it p"
asked Cntermyer.
Il had to put some entry in the book
for it,"
tor. of 90 West Eleventh Street, next
took the stand. He said he did bus-
ness Of between 100000 and 100000 a
year. lie told of becoming one Of Het-
tricks clients who followed the Code
or Practice, covering methods of bid
Ging' ming notice OF intention Of bid
ding, dlscipllnlng of those who vio-
lated the code and contributing per
cent of his gross receipts to Hettrick
lie said there were seven other
designations besides his own since Oc-
tober l, but denied that the AUTHORIZE
ton Of the investigation by the Lepis-
lature had anything TO do with it,
Quit Code of Practice
"How do you know how to prevent
bidding Jarcho was asked.
I've work on different classes Of
work.
Under the Code of Practice you
knew, didn't you?"
No, didn't"
Have you resigned from the group?v
Yes"
"When?"
October l."
"You have been paying in per cent
Of your gross business amounting to
about $4,000 year. Is that not so ?"
"Yes."
And per cent went to Hettrick ?"
YES"
We're you No 10 on the list?"
"Yes."
Did you make all the payments re-
Quired by the Code of Practice >"
"No. paid about $1,000 and
stopped
$3.50 for Initiation Fee
Jarcho said he paid $500 for his in
tfiation fee, contradicting the state
ment of Hettrick that the fee was only
$25 He added that Wednesday he saw
Hettrick, who said he was not both
cred by the investigation and that he
was not in trouble "