The Tulsa star. [volume] (Tulsa, Okla.) 1913-1921, 1920-10-23

and of course you will be in the
light if you take that but you will be
in the dark if you study the Bible
without that.
Now, when you tell a man there is
no hell-maybe ! had better wait a
little before ! get TO that, bu ] want
to say this The International Bible
Students Association teaches that
he'll and the grave mean the same
thing, nothing more and that is true
there are many passages is this
blessed Book that bear. out that
claim. The Hebrews believed that
very thing and taught il but they
began to believe something else
and they taught that something else
was that this grave translated,
"Sheol" from the Hebrew and Ha-
deS" from the Greek meant just the
grave, that's all, but you will find
in studying the Scritures that there
is anoher meaning attached TO il al
SO and there are two departments
to il and one constituted the place
where the good people went, "in
the grave" and the other was down
beneath that where the bad people
went and there was a little differ
ence in that and that word has been
translated, "Gehenna" and you will
find plenty of that your New Tes-
lament.
Now, we are told that there is no
punishment but have just cited you
Scripture which shows that they
who do not believe shall be damned
and the New Testament is just full
of references 10 prove there is some
thing doing after you leave here if
YOU don't reconcile with God. "But
whoSoever shall say thou fool shall
be in danger of hell fire" Now, of
course ! don't debate my opponent
that there is literal fire that is
going TO burn because don't believe
with him that the reSurrec.ed body
is going to be just like this body
going to be physical and if il is not
going TO be physical, then physical
fire could not torment, but we can
not think of punishment worse than
burning and these words are used in
the scriptures to convey an idea of
a much worse punishment than
burning, so, if you prove that it is
non lake OF fire and birthstone,
you have not done anything-you
have moi relieved yourself because
that is the language used to explain
something very much worse.
Il confess these lights re not good
enough for me- (Referring to poor
lighting while trying to read from
paper.) And the kingdom"-no |
don't see that, but here is some
thing do see-"But the children of
the Kingdom shall be cast out into
outer darkness; there shall be weep
ing and gnashing of teeth" That is
the eighth hhapter Of Matthew and
fourteenth verse. have already
read to you, "And fear not them
which kill the body, but are not
able to kill the soul; but rather fear
him which is able to destroy both
soul and body in hell" And who
Soever shall speak a word against
The Son of man, ii shall be foIgiveu
'nm, but whoSoever shall speak "a
sa'nst the Holy Spirit, it shall not
be forgiven him, neither in this
world not in the world to come" II
shows continued existence and il
shows that punishment for sin must
he done.
Now, ! want to talk to you a. lit
tie about the idea of future punish
ment. My opponent grew eloquent
when he talked about God being so
Dad-so mean-worse than the mob.
In fact, he said that the mob who
iynched people would be Gods SER
vantS-they would be just like him
If he would do all this that the
churches and the preachers say He
does. Well, now, you cannot think
OF God unless you think of Him as
Jus. Now, you cannot think about
him, His mercy just as much as YOU
please, but you will have to think
about Him as justice too and YOU
must think of Him as impartial. He
= is the Ruler of this great universe
and HIS RulerShip must be impartial
: land sin must be accounted for. If
Ill Is not atoned for in this life then
where Is it going to be atoned for
= ii there rs no future life? There
are three ways by which one may
Suiier punishment: in body; in
mind and in estate. Now. you will
ind that the idea of punishment for
every sin is not carried out with ref
erence to the body because some of
the worst people in the world have
the best health and some of the best
people in the world are constast
chronic invalidS
i A VOICE FROM THE AUDIENCE
That's it,
Il REV. MIR. JOHNSON: (Contnu-
ing) Well, now, there is proof that
according to the bodily mode, there
Is no equitable punishment for sin
, In life and if it is not in This life
and soooooooooooo uSplaymEcl sit
and sin must be punished or for
gwen, one of the two, there must be
future life in which this punish
ment will be administered,
A VOICE FROM THE AUDIENCE
Yes.