New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1920-08-06
Measure Assured Of Final
Action To-day; Lloyd
George and Asquitl, in
Clash During Debate
British Will Bar
Mannix by Force
Premier Says Govern
ueeni l. Prepared to
Keen Archbishop Out

LONDON, Aug. 5.-After de
bate which developed great heat and
personal scene between Premier
Lloyd George and Herbert H. As
ouith. the government eat II o'clock
t. ght defeated the motion of John
Robert Clynes, Laborite, for rejec-
ton Of the new Irish crimes bill, and
the measure passed second reading
b. a vote of 289 to II. The voting
vas carried out under a motion
moved in the House early to-day by
AHlrev- Bonar Law, providing for
passage of the bill by o'clock to-
morrow evening.
At the very opening of debate the
days Of Pasneli were recalled. Mr..
Asquith started an angry duel with the
Premier BY declaring the situation in
Ireland needed Cromwelliah treatment,
but that he could see no Cromwell in
the government. The Premier retorted
by describing Mr.. Asquith as Cromwell
when ne was in power.
No Revengeful Spirit
Sir Hamar Greenwood, Chief Score
tary for Ireland. opened the discussion
by explaining it was not intended for
the bill to supersede the ordinary
courts 1t would only apply TO dis
lurced areas at the discretion of the
r. government and would not be OPP
ere ed in revengcful spirit.
Alr. Asquith then spoke, blaming the
government for the present position in
cand. This met with angry cries of
dissent lie declared he was not scared
because he believed to concede domin-
ION home rule to Ireland would cause
thC cry for republic to dwindle away
Heated protests were made that
Asouith had never offered a solution
Of the difficulty.
NO" he replied, "but 1 am prepared
to Ter one now
Nr. Lloyd George in his attack on
MIR. Asquith stated it was useless to
naae vague. iil-considered suggestions
about dominion home rule and chal-
leueod Mr.. Asquith to present the
naule of amy one in Ireland able to
sroak for the Irish people who would
&C his dominion proposal.
f.tc|u 'PpTEc OutilncS ICr1lS
There was not a single dominion,
The Premier added. but possessed an
amy and power to possess navy, and
asked whether Mr.. Asquith would give
Ireland an army and navy.
irish ports, Mr. Lloyd George assert
ed. were the most dangerous spots in
the empire. Were these to be handed
over to the Dominion Parliament?
Mr.. Asquith is merely Sinking the
difficulty and making worse the situa-
fou. declared the Premier, ''by allow
Ing it to be made known throughout
Jfa nd and America that, though these
things are not intended, British states
men are willing to give to Ireland self
determination"
Throughout his speech the Premier
W subjected to- interruption from
boIa sides of the House, Intervention
O. Ae Speaker frequently being re
orlred to preserve order.
aeainst Mr.. Asquith the Premier said
It might have been supposed from Mr.
AsGulth's speech that Ireland was a
paradise in 1913, whereas, he declared
The facts were that in that year there
was an army of more than 600
enlisted men in Ireland engaged in
reasonable conspiracy, and in nego-
tations with the Germans. He said
this army had undertaken to attack
Great Britain two months after the
1erman offensive, of which it had been
informed.
Plan to Attack England
1t was in the same year" he wnt
on, we discovered documents in the
pooSets OF men who are now leaders
q Snth and West ireland, showing
Inc Mas an arrangement between
ts0m auc the Germans to attack us
a 'ne moment of our greatest peril.
.ir. Lloyd Georges general argument
va that the government was prepared
u make great SESSIONS for the sake
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