New-York tribune., 1920-10-31
DR.. Guest, of British Mis-
sion, Asserts Premier Is
Preaching New Concep-
ton From the Krcmliu
Gives Text Of Interview
Soviet Chief Urges Revolt in
England and Defends
Policy of Direct Action

tributed by DR.. l.. Harden Guest. joint
secretary Of the delegation and
prominent English Fabian Socialist.
Or Guest writes:
"Lcnine is best understood II he is
thought Of as Central Asatic Ma
homet, sending out the cry Of his uew
rnaterialist religion from his high tower
Of the Kfem in in Mos COW, an , calling
to the millions of the Russian and
Siberisn peasants to work, hgnt and die
for the new conception or against the
errors and evils of the Western demo
cratic world And this new concep-
ton already is hope essly old in the
Western world 1t is the kind Of ma
terra a'ism that speaks of mind as AN
excretion of the brain as bile is an ~
cretion Of the liver i is the kind OF
Ynaterialism that expects to hnd IN
mans economic circumstances com
plete explanation of his character and
beliefs In a word. it is the crudest
kind of matcria!st fatalsm.
"And Lenine and his helpers have all
the marks of the jealous propagsndist
in the missionary zeal with which they
seek to impose their views on other
nations The conditions Of adherence
TO the Third international sent out
lately to Germany. France ana Eng
land al lay stress on the need Of sub
ordination to Moscow and the need
Of Implicit obedience. Like Mnhonet-
anism, too, the new fnlth IS nj itart--
its good is to be carried everywhere by
fire and sword, heavy civil war aud ter
rife struggle. The democratic side of
socialisnl, the liberal IDEAS implicit in
Western socialism, such as free speech,
free meeting, free and secret oiec+I "a
conception. Lenlne declares liberty is
bourgeois superstitior.' Democracy
is said to be q pretence to fool the
workers And Dolsheyism is declared
to be salvation.
"W hat the reality is, apart from the
ory and apart from prejudice, is al
ready very clear. In the hope of max
ing it still clearer, give extracts from
my notebook of conversations With
leading Bolshevsts in May and June
Of this year, and also extracts from
documents Of tho Bolsheylsts and
other Russians.
Krcmlin Symbolic of Lenine
"The Krcmin is the citadel dominat-
ing Moscow, and inclosed within it's
walls are a great courtyI I'd, wh, re many
battalions could parade, and marvellous
churches and cathedrals looking more
b
Of buildings, now used by the Soviet
government and formerly used by the
imperial family. the imperial govern
ment and the state church as palaces,
arsenal, State House, barracks and
converts. Lenine has done well to
choose the Kremlin for his headquar-
ters. To begin with, it is we'll guarded
and only to be entered at gates in The
high wall, where pass must be shown;
but, secondly, it is symbolic An old
saying has it, Above Moscow there is
only the Kremlin, above the Kremlin
there is only God
"Lenine sent q message he would re-
ceive US at 80 p. M. and at that time
we had climbed up the many stairs TO
his high-up Office, past sentries, with a
sergeants guard at call on each land
ing, and assembled in waiting room.
There was no one with US and no
noise Of talking or movement outside
The whole place had quiet, chill ef-
feet morally and physically while a
damp ming of disinfectant IN tn woo'l-
en- floor and the faint smell in the air
reminded one of the prevalent typhus
feared even here.
"ln few moments q secretary came
and conducted us to a large, light room,
Furnished chiefly with large desks and
chairs, where Lenine stood ready to
greet US. lenine is short man. near
ly bald In front. and his hair is slight
ly ginger; his English is fairly good,
but his French is better. The face is
high as to cheekbones and the eyes are
somewhat slitl ke-the color Of the
lace Is very sallow, its general apprar-
ancc definitely Aslatic Lenine smile.
often, but without genality.
I've began the interview at once bv
asking about raising the blockade and
getting peace:
"Leninc-It is perfectly impossible
TO get q capitalist government to raise
the blockade. The English government
says it is not helping Poland but this
Is not true. English Liberal newspapers
ncknowledge that help is being given
BY England to Poland. The League OF
Nations is capitalist conspiracy.
Calls for Revolution
"Mr. Tom Shaw and asked for deNn-
ito proofs OF help being given to Poland
OF character we could produce in this
country. Lenne retorted by saving
we must turn out our government by
revolution. and then we should find the
secret treaties.
Lenine-England and France are
waglng war against Socialist countries,
and hope for their defeat.
IN answer to question, What kind
Of defeat7'
Lenine-There 10 only one kind Of
defeat or victory.
IN answer to question as 70 what
Syas the obstacle to = League OF Nations
delegation:
"Lenine-The League Of Nations 4,
Ernnce and England wagins wnr
against us--we are not at peace
IN answer to a question as to how
We could hep to get peace:
Len'ne- More resolutions are a IT.
tic help. But only real help can come
IIom the British revolution.
IN answer to question as "a hov
We could get Socialism in England:
Lenlne.-l am a pupil of English So
clalism 1t would be childish to sav
that MI our institutions must be conisd
The Left Communists in England are
making blunders because they are too
much copying the first forms of the
revolution In Russia. | am in favor
OF parliamentary action. We had 25
per cent Of Communists In the Con-
stituent Assembly. and this was enough
Tor victory. In your country is per
cent might be enough for complete
victory.
I'm answer to further questions Le-
nine suggested sending . message TO
tho British workers CHE one alres6v
published in England). In answer to
other questions:
"Lenine-I do not believe the block
sde can be lifted with q bourgeois
government in power in England,
with regard to the Terror.
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