Evening times-Republican. [volume] (Marshalltown, Iowa) 1890-1923, 1920-11-25

GREY RECALLS ". S. LOSS.
Pleads For Change of Attitude
Toward Ireland.

London. Nov, 25.-The3 debate in
the house of lords last night was made
memorable by an appeal from WIS.,
count Grey. former secretary for for
cisn affairs, for an eleventh. hour at
tempt at generosity to Ireland.
Displaying no resentment and TAX
ing full account OF the governments
extreme difficulties, he urged that
unless the government was able TO
secure effective control in Ireland 1t
would be better to withdraw all
armed forces and leave ireland to
find her own salvation.
Earl Middleton intended today
to move adjournment of the debate
for fortnight to allow the govern
ment time TO consider what amend
ments. financial and otherwise, it will
propose.
Viscount Grey said the real cause
of failure to obtain n settlement was
differences in Ireland itself.
Until these differences were com
posed. he asserted. there could be no
settlement, and the home rule bill
before the lords. to put 1t mildly, had
not made the differences less.
1t had conciliated Ulster, Viscount
Grew said. but aad brought the
southern unionists and nationalists
into opposition.
Lord Grey argued that 1t would
have been better had the government
laid down on broad lines the limits
within which Ireland could have
complete autonomy and the mini
mum which England must reserve for
security and safety.
He urged placing Ireland In pre-
cisely the same position with regard
to foreign affairs as the dominfons.
With the same right to he consulted
about commercial treaties, but with
on'v one navy for both islands
lie would not contemplate rnainte-
nance OF imperial troops In Ireland
after home rule had passed unless
Ireland desired It.
Il aEl perfectly certain. and the
history OF war shows it, that unless
there is only one naval authority
neither Ireland nor Great Britain
could be defended" said Lord Grey.
THAT must be without qualification.
Whatever dominion home rtile might
mean, We must from the best 4asng
have no ambiguity on this"
He contended the greatest lever
the government could bring to bear
to secure settlement would be to
make it perfectly clear that the ulti-
mate respon nsibility for the govern
ment OF Ireland rested with the
Irish people, and that the govern
ment could not continue indefinitely
to govern any part Of Ireland by
force.
He desired to qualify his previous
suggestion, made before reprisals
were heard of. that the armed forces
should be withdrawn from Ireland
two years hence. He said he would
admit frankly that under the present
state of things he would never ad
vocate that the armed forces should
be kept there for another two years
or for any specified time.
Expressing indignation at the mur-
ders and anxiety for the lack of dis
cipline of English soldiers, Viscount
Grey said that unless the govern
ment could assume direct, real and
effective control in Ireland it would
be better to withdraw the armed
forces now.
He wished the government to have
all powers for Furnishing crime, but
these powers must be exercised with
real discretion and control, and II
that were impossible then withdrawal
was the better course.
1--WE have the greatest empire in
the world" he said, but it has not
,heen without it's reverses. We lost
America thru not giving in in time
and not giving enough. Have we ever
In our history lost thru giving too
much?"
He instanced South Africa. and
said it was not yet too late to change
the home rule bill. He begged the
government to take courage and to
give the House the opportunity of
recording it's verdict on a larger and
better measure.
V;"nount Bryce said that instead
Of outing Ireland in two, it would
have been better to have one parlia-
mcnt with all possible guarantees
that Ulster would be looked after.
The bill as it stood offered no pros
pect Of fulfiIlir- the hopes they all
cherished, end y was only by going
still furtho" Fat settlement could
ba' ccOnnliShe1