Arizona republican., 1920-05-18

speaking and when the doctor finally said to him, T suppose you would just as soon see. the devil come as me. he had not replied, You stand about as much chance here as a snowball in hell" To which Mir. Moeur replied, T did not, and anybody who says I did is a liar"
 pr. Perrin On Stand
 Further inquiry regarding the man ner of the transfer nf the land to the sheep company got nowhere in par ticular. but opened the way for many statements by the witness as to the methods of Dr. Perrin. He said that the alternate sections, or many of them, were occupied by homesteaders whom the doctor had said he would freeze out whereas the Hudspeth Sheep company had bought them out.
 Dr. Perrin took the stand and related at length his long and extensive con- nection with land in Arizona. He had acquired the odd numbered sec tions from the Atlantic & Pacific rail- road company within the 40mile limit; later the Baca float and other lands within the indemnity strip. His tes- timony supported the statement of Mir Morrison at the opening relative to the negotiations ending with the con ference on February g. 1919. when he was led to believe that his applica- tions for a renewal of the leases would be granted
 His story of the remark comparing his chances in the land department with the probability of the long sur vival of a snowfall in hell. supported the question MT. Morrison had asked MT. Moeur. The doctor frequently re- ferred to that in the course of his tes- timony and stated that his experience with the land department. his failure to secure a single section of state land under the administration of MT. Moeur and the testimony of other persons had all confirmed the comparison he said Mir. Moeur had indulged in.
 Explains Snowfall Statement
 Mir. Moeur once tried to interrupt the doctor, but later was given an op portunity to make a statement. He said that that expression had been used, but in a way different from that related by the doctor. The converse ton. he said, was regarding the sale or proposed sale of a section contain ing a. certain Sunrise Spring. Tn the course of the conversation he said that the doctor had said that he was con- sidering an application for an injunc- ton to prevent the sale of the section and that he had replied that the in SnoWbalI in hell. The doctor in in dignation arose and said that he would report the insult to the governor. whereupon the commissioner advised him to see also the rest of the mem bers of the land board.
 At one point the doctor was asked by Mir. Morrison if he had ever heard of the Burk-Leader Oil company of which Mir. Moeur was one of the pro- motors and whether he knew any of the stockholders of the company. The doctor was about to reply that he had heard of the oil company. when MT. Bullard interposed an objection. The dispute was brought to a temporary end by the statement of the governor that at the conclusion of the open hearing the board would hold an exec utive meeting at which it would be determined how far, if at all. the board would go into the oil phase which had presented itself.
 When Dr. Perrin was dismissed he rose in the box and delivered himself of an impassioned speech. He will probably be recalled at a subsequent hearing when his son, who has been detained in San Francisco. will be present. Dr. Perrin is S1 years Of age and has been a resident and acquirer of the public domain in Arizona for the last 30 years
 Many Squalls
 The opening of the session was stormy, disturbed by frequent squalls so common when AIessrs. Bullard and
 
 tact. Deputy Commissioner Clark was called to the stand by MT. Strucl5meyer and was asked relative to certain records he had been directed to pro- duce- One of them was a statement of his account at the Bank of Stafford in which it had been stated funds for MT. Moeur's brief campaign for the gubernatorial nomination had been de- posted. The other was the corre- spondence with the postmaster at Ben son relative to the Barrows contribu- ton to the fund which had been re- turned by him to Barrows. Mr. Clark declined on the advice of Mir. Bullard to produce either of these documents which had no relation to the conduct of the office of commissioner and who stated that his objection to their pro- duction would not be removed until someone had laid himself responsible by filing written complaint against Mir. Moeur
 At 11:S0 o'clock the question of the next hearing was taken up. Governor Campbell said that it was desira ble now that the matter be fully threshed out; that every complaint be given an opportunity to be heard. no matter how long the investigation might last He believed though. that it could be concluded by the first of June No time was fixed for the next hearing which will be held at the call of the board
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