The New York herald. [volume] (New York, N.Y.) 1920-1924, 1920-10-23


a lot Of plumbers on behalf OF another
plumber, then he cannot get his work
done. can her'
ut should not be done"
Gave Per Cent. OF Earnings.
With the two plumbers organizations
in existence. the witness said he did not
think II was necessary to 20 into the
new Hottrick organization. But he
joined and agreed to give up per cent
of his gross earnings because he was
rot free to act.
ITO what extent were you not free
agent?" ~
You brought IL out yourself here
with Mr. Brindell." the witness replied.
"You mean that II you did not belong
ito that association. even though you
were a union shop, Brindell would pull
off his men. IL that IT,"
MIR, Untermyer, you don't want me
to have my doors closed with 100000
worth. of business by answering you
NO. but we will close Mr.. Brindell's
doors"
Then there win be somebody else
step In Mr. Brindelis place, the same as
he is the successor OF Sam Parks,
Now, Mr.. Schnaier. take your cour-
age in your hand, and let US try TO
see''-A--- -
'I nave courage, but / have all I
have in this world at stake, Mr.. Inter
myer."
II appreciate your position perfectly,
but we have got to break up this sort OF
thing. and you have got TO help
''But you are not going to sacrifice mo
in breaking 1t up?'
well am going to sacrifice all the
people in It. II necessary M
II Will answer you truthfully, so far
as the plaster falls from the roof Of
NV mouth. hut ask in all fairness, az
man TO man, not TO sacrifice me on the
altar"
Plaster Expression Ia Hazy.
what plaster do you mean removed
from your mouth? r. ~
II don't want to be-
You say you Will tell the truth so
far as the plaster Is removed
"You ask me questions, and VIII
answer you as free az can, and answer
truthfully." sy
''Can you explain about this plasterY'
az will answer you truthfully'
"I understand your position, Mr.
schnaier, and want to be as consider
I
association because of the pressure
II remained In it,"
"You were not free agent when you
gave up your money! 80
81 don't like to answer that question.
that will lead TO more questions. and
that will lead to- would rather you
get somebody else. think | nave
given you good enough Lead. Don't
nut Il all on one mans shoulders. l
tc ipC g>n
and i am willing to help you all can"
THAT is right; you want 1t broken
up don't your
II do"
''But you don't want to be sacrificed
on the altar OF righteousness, is that II.
In breaking II up? The thing that you
want broken up. as I understand II, Is
this, Is 1t not: If you are union shop,
and obey the union regulations, as to
the hours and wages and treatment OF
your men and other things, you do not
want some super-union authority pull
ing your men off because you don't be-
long to q given association; isn't that
right?"
We'll, you have answered it.
wedding Out "Irresponsfblcs."
! Going into the details OF the Hettrici'
| scheme, the witness said the lawyer ex-
planned he had legal system Of endine
the practice OF subletting bids to a lo'
Of irresponsible little dealers.
"But you knew that was not the rea
purpose" Mr.. Untermyer said. The wit
ness said he did not know at the start
Abut soon found II out.
~ eff that was the abuse you wanted te
correct, why didn't you do II through
your existing Master Plumbers Assoc
citation, which included all these men?'
THE entire 58th Street association
voted to work under the Code of Prac'
tice, and the Code of Practice, as
understand It. was the registering OF
bids"
"You mean the entire 400 member.
| are working under this Hettricl
scheme
"They are supposed to register theil
bids"
.'That is good news. They do 4
now?''
well. they were supposed TO do 1t
A resolution to that effect was adopted
by the entire Master Plumbers Asso
ciation."
"They are working the Hettricl
scheme now3'
al do not know that they are Twin,
up to II, but they are supposed to, &C
cording TO the resolution"
The four hundred don't all pay in
surance, DO heyg
81 don't know how many pay thei
Insurance? l krow ! owe lot OF /
and won't pay 1t"
"Why noty'~
Because 1t has been detrlment 4
me instead OF benefit
'Tf the whole four hundred were un
dor the Hettrick scheme. that means
business OF hundred million dollar
year. doesn't it?''
IF they pay their dues--.it Is mat
ter OF calculation and mathematics"
: $4,000 to He Divvied Up.
MT. Untermyer figured out that tn
thIrty-tw men operating under IN
Hettriek code alone, regardless of tn
400 in the Fifty-eighth street associa
ton, did about $13,000000 worth @
business and that the insurance o
that alone would be about $500. 900.
That would mean about $3.50, 900 70
Hettrick. wouldn't it?" Mr.. Untermye
, asked. Tho witness said he could nc
try To estimate the figures.
The examination was halted and Nj
, Untermyer explained that such a mas
OF evidence had been collected the con
mlttee would require several days [
get Il In order. AS most of the member
OF the committee are seeking reelection
no suggested the hearing be adjurne
until after election I'm the meantime
the lawyers VIII continue at work sif
Ing the tons Of documents in their 80,
session.