New-York tribune., 1920-11-21

Says lie Owes Boiling 5000
Mr.. Sapds-Yes.
Tho Chairman Then how did you
expect 70 get contract by using your
influence with two men VINO had moth
ing 20 DO with awarding contracts?
Mr.. Sands cannot answer that
Tho Chairman You cannot answer
It?
Mr. Sands No.
The Chairman-Did YOU ever receive
letter from Mr.. Boiling?
My. Sands-I do not recall any letter
from him.
Sands WAS then confronted with the
letter from Mr.. Boiling in which NJ.
Boiling declined to intcrcede in his be.
half 10 have the indictment against
nlm Quashcd
Sands admitted also that he owed Mr.
Boiling 5000 as purchase price on lot
ne he'd bought from Mr. Boiling.
Sands then told the chairman that
he had introduced Cranor to Boiling
and Sisler. He said that Cranor had
agreed to pay him (Sands) commits
sions. but admitted he had never heard
Cranor agree TO pay Boiling anything.
He could not remember ever having
held conference witt Boiling, Sisler
and Cranor all together, lslt said they
had conferred with hm individually al
his Office He said in response to a
question that Boiling had nothing to
GO with awarding the contracts.
We're to Get $4,000
Sands could not remember whether
il was he or Cranor who introdu II
Downey to Mr.. Boiling and Mr.. Sissler
he added that he met Downey fre-
queN-l in Washington.
Downcy, Sands said. came to see him
about contracts.
tie came to see ne as q friend to
the other parties. to see if they could
help him in those matters" Sands
testified.
The Cnairman-W Who Matched up this
plan just Sc: forth IN this document
here with reference TO the payment Of
$4,000 and the division of the com
missions?
Mr. sand Well. the plan originally
was, as far as Mr.. Downey went. Just
to pay the $4,000; he had nothing to
do with the division. He did not know
anything about it.
The Chairman-W first suggested
that there should be q payment Of
$40, ,00J? Mr. Sands-I do not know
how the amount was agreed upon. but
think it very likely that Mr. Cranor
suggested it.
The chairman-Suggested it to
whom
Nr. Sands-To Mr. Downey.
TIE chairman-Who did Mr.. Downoy
suggest it to?
Mr. Sands / do not know.
Says Cranor Told Of Pay
The chairman--W told you yo1
would Get paid
Nh. Sands Mr. Cranor.
The chairman-W When?
Mr. O. fol &c ,i,t..t,,,-
terviows we rad that II we GOT it Mr..
Downey would be willing 20 pay a good
commission.
The Chairman-Did he cav how
much
MIR. Sand, r do not think he did
not unt afterward
The Chairman Until after what?
Nh. Sands Until after be got the
contract.
The Chairman-Did you ever hear
nina say single word to Mr.. Sislol
or to Nh Boiling that they were going
to Get any money?
Mr. Sands-Never
The Chairman-Did You ever hear
Mr.. Downev say that 10 them?
Expected Commission
Mr.. Sands-No; never.
The Chailman-Ihat they We're to
never.
The Chairman Did You ever tell
either Of them before the contract vas
awarded that they would receive some
money
Mr.. Sands Yes; told them. because
we expected 1t. but did not know now
much. But ve expected to set q com
mission for it,
The Chairman SO Mr.. Cranor came
to Washington and had several confer
ences Win YOU and Nr. Boiling and
Mr.. Sls.sr in y0ur room Ut the Willard
Hotel? Mr. Sands Yes. sir.
The Chairman And you were 70 use
mn? MIR. Sands / imply introduced
taem, tia. is ALL ! simply brought the
parties together
Nr. Walsh then produced the pho.
= tosta,ic copy OF the affidavit
The Chairman This SAYS: go 600 -C
be divided among US in the rollowine
D manner: f25.Ot0 - be paid In one lot
and equally divided in the SUN Of Ss,
80 for each OF the four O.. Us Ssler
Polling. Crunoy and myself Mr.
Crauor was 20 mare in TINS commits
sion. TOO, was he?
Mr.. Sand lee. sir.
he Chairman The representative o.
Mr. DoWucs
Nl Sands Yes. sir.
j Cot Abou, SS2j 900
The Chairman And yol say: Dur
ing tae negotiations Mr. Downey cam.
TO Washington. He ratified the agree
/ ment whereby $4,000 compensation wa
70 ue pala" Didn't YOU state q mo