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The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08
ORGANIZE FOR
RURAL PLANNING
Within so Days After Passage Of the
Rural Planning Law, 81 Counties
Organized for This Purpose

Within the first sixty days after the
passage of the rural planning law IN
Wisconsin, 81 counties had organized
under the terms Of the act and some
had already appropriated the neces-
sary fund to begin carrying out the
plans. Many other counties are ex-
pected to organize and start a def
mite line of rural planning at the Jan
uary ard February meetings of the
county board.
The almost immediate response of
50 large percentage of the counties
Of Wisconsin indicates, says F. A. Aust
who represents the College Of Agri-
culture on the general advisory board,
the need for rural planning. Mr.. Aust
points ont the Importance of restoring
and preserving historic spots and beau
tiful sceery now, before the prices of
land advance further. The mapping
out of county roads and setting aside
of certain places in the county for
parks are other possibilities.
Whatever the particular plan OF
each county, the different agencies CO.
operating under the law are prepared
to advise the local county committee.
The local committee consists of the
chairman of the county board, the
chairman Of the road and bridge COM
mitttee, and the county superintendent
of schools.
B. G. Packer Of the state department
of agriculture is chairman of the state
advisory agencies. The state conser-
walton advises on reforestation; the
state highway commission on planting
and conserving trees and flowers. The
state historical society is prepared to
advise on the preservation Of places of
historic interest. The agricultural ex-
tension service of the College of Agri-
culture will cooperate in furnishing
lectures and other educational features.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08
SUCCESSFUL cHuRcH socuA1,.

Animal groups" was the novel
manner taken by the members of the
Friendship Bible Glass of the Park Ave.
NJ. =. Church to acquaint the guests at
the general church social held Tuesday
evening. AS each person entered they
were given an animal picture and told
to join the other people holding similar
pictures. Each group then gave various
stunts. One hundred and fifty members
of the church congregation, and their
friends, made merry at the social and
at a late hour sandwiches and the
spiciest and oldest home baked animal
cookies were served.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08
COMMITTEE MEETING TUESDAY.

Plans for the raising of the remain
der Of the pledged five hundred dollars
for st. Catherine IS Hospital were con
sidered at meeting of the fund COM
mittee of the Catholic Woman IS Club
held in the ladies lounge at the Elks
Club on Tuesday afternoon. 1t was
definitely decided that as soon as a
suitable location in the down town dis
trict could be procured, the groups
would combine in serving luncheons for
two days. Group G has already raised
the requisite sum and therefore it now
remains for the four other groups to
earn their share. For this purpose each
group will hold a meeting some time
next week.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

The members Of the Kandoo Club Of
the First Congregational Church held
their annual supper, celebrating the.
fourth anniversary of the club, in the
dining room of the church at six-thirty
O'Clock Tuesday evening. The Christi
mas colors Of red and green were used
in the appointments. A brief BUSINESS
session and social hour followed the
supper.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08
NO DINNER THURSDAY EVENING

On account of the death of the Rev.
W. f. B. Jackson, formerly associate
rector of st. Matthew s parish, the reg
uIar Thursday evening dinner which
was to have been served at the Guild
Hall on Thursday evening, has been
indefinitely postponed.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

A board meeting of the members Of
the Kenosha County Equal Suffrage As
ISOLATION will be held Monday after
noon, January u, at three o'clock with
Miss Harriet Balm, SIT Park avenue.
Any member of the league who is in
terested in the work and would like to
hear of the plans to be formulated for
the years work, is welcome to attend.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Peter J. Hurtgen, superintendent of
public works for the city Of Kenosha,
was one of the main speakers on Tues
day at the meeting of the Municipal
Contractors Association in the Red
room at the Hotel Pfster in Milwaukee.
County Highway Commissioner John
Herzog and former County Clerk Rus
sci Fl. Jones also attended the meeting.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

A hearse originally was metal
grating or spike fence with upright
spikes for the reception of candles
for illumination or the hanging Of
decorative draperies around tomb or
at a gateway.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

John a., Tacli, Jr., returned to Mil
waukee today to resume his studies at
ST. Francis College after a two weeks
holiday vacation at the home of his
parents, Mr.. and Mrs. John Tacki of
Orange street.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Mr.. and Mrs. William G. Tillotson Of
Los Angeles, Cal, who have been visit
ing their daughter, Mrs. Charles E.
Turnock, for the past year, have re-
turned home. Miss Florence Tillotson,
a sister of Mrs. Turnock, also returned
to Los Angeles.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Jay B. GierUm has received from th6s
state department at Madison his states
license as a real estate broken and a.
member of the state real estate brokers'
board. It is believed to be the first
license as a real estate broker and a.
though several other real estate men
have made application for the same.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

The members of the Jolly Club were
entertained at the home Of Miss Anna
Nemila, 1853 Ounce street, On Tuesday
evening. Miss Nenila gave several vo-
cal numbers. At late hour q sweet
course was served.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

From the time of the Greek phi
losophers, Epicurus and Democritus,
until about 1900, heat was considered
form of matter.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

The nuptials of Miss sigrid Esther
Larsen, daughter of Mr.. and Mrs. Paul
Larsen of S61 Dayton street, and Lewis
Turner Jr., will be solemnized by the
Rev. III. T. Sell at the home of the
bride Is parents, January 20.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Announcement has been made Of the
marriage of Mrs. Lomira Cummings
and Jack Klaimmer, which took place
the early part of December. The
couple is now at home at the R. Dolan
residence in Somers.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08
MISSIONARY TO SPEAK

The members of the B. Y. P. u. of
the Swedish Baptist Church will con
duet special English services at the
church this evening and Friday even
ing. On Sunday afternoon the Rev. Mr..
Bowen, head of the mission board in
Chicago, will deliver an address. The
Rev. Mr.. Bowen has spent several years
IN Africa as missionary and his talk
will be on his experiences during that
time. At six O'Clock supper will be
served and following this Rev. Bowen
will give another talk.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08
Miss Helena Bernice Ham
mond and William Paul
Seegar Married AT st.
James This Morning.
SIMPLICITY Marks CEREMONY
Miss Hammond Has Held Position AS
Librarian At West Side Branch of
Gilbert M. Simmons Library -
Mr.. seegar With Bank.

sfJust like a bride from storybook
land, was the comment heard on all
sides as Miss Helena Bernice Hammond
was borne, hand-carriage fashion, from
her cab, to the st. James Church to
become the bride of William Paul See
gar, at $3.50 clock this morning.
The bride, who was given away by
her brother, T.. j. Hammond, wore a
quantity pulled white satin frock, sim
ply cut, and with a rope of pearls as
her only ornament. The tulle veil came
up in a high frill, caught with orange
blossoms and lilies of the-valley, and
ended in puff at the hem Of her gown.
The bouquet was Of bride Is roses, sweet
peas and stevia, with shower effect
Of tulle and streamers. The brides
maid, Miss Gertrude Senne, wore a
dainty gown of pink georgette set off
by hat of pink. Her bouquet was of
pink Killarney roses, sweet peas and
stevia. Raymond Hammond, brother
Of the bride, acted as bestman. The
nuptial mass was read by the Rev. R. j..
Smith, who had as altar boys two little
nephews of the bride, Norman and
Lawrence Hammond. Throughout the
ceremony Edward McCaffery, organist,
played a program of appropriate music
and Harry Hill sang Cadman's "At
DaWning,' - " Because and the "Ave
Maria
Breakfast at Ellzs Club.
At $3.50 O. CLOCK wedding breakfast
was served to the immediate family,
in the private dining room at the Elks
Club. The appointments of pink and
white were exquisitely simple. The
couple ileft shortly afterward on a
honeymoon trip to the groom home
in South Dakota.
Mrs. Seegar is the daughter of Mrs.
L. Hammond, 30 Third street. She is
graduate of the Kenosha High School
and the Wisconsin Library School. For
the past five years she has been in
charge of the west side branch Of the
Gilbert M. Simmons Library, and dur
ing that time her winsome personality
have won her many friends. She has
also been one of the most popular mem
beEs of her set and has been active in
the work of the Junior League. Mr..
Seegar is the son Of Mr.. and Mrs. Carl
Seegar Of Winifred, South Dakota. For
the past eight years, barring the time
he served in the army, he has been
connected with the Merchants and
Savings Bank.
Mr.. and Mrs. Seegar will make their
home with the brides mother until
their new home on the Lake Shore
Drive is completed.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

The following members of the serv-
ice department of the Nash Motors
Company motored to Milwaukee where
they dined and danced in the Fern
room Of the Hotel Pfster on Tuesday
evening: the Misses Bessie Kitzrow,
Helene Rich, Mabel Schleyer, Edith
Youngquist, Nina Nolan, Clara Mead,
and the Messrs. Walter Curtis, Joseph
White, Bob Graham, Harold Harrison,
Bob Jackson, Jerry McAulife and
Einar Hansen.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

The amount Of material carried from
the land into the ocean in suspension
and in solution has been estimated at
so cable miles a year.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Miss Aleitha Thompson of Lyman
avenue, was hostess to party of her
associates of the Swedish Baptist Sun
dav School in celebration of her six
teenth birthday Tuesday evening. She
was presented with number of dainty
and useful gifts. A prettily appointed
luncheon served at a late hour conclud-
ed a merry evening of games and music.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

At the time of the Romans homes
were manly heated by portable stoves
without any regular exit for the
smoke or fumes.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

The hawkweed, introduced from
Europe into Canada and the New Eng
land states, has become one Of the most
troublesome weeds in grasslands.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

A marriage license hassbeens essusd til
Paul Rudolp KupehR of KenOsha &ads
MISS Margaret MADDEN Dick4nsOa OF
Three Forks, Montana The HnptSaaaa
will be soiemnized ,Tannary 18th.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Miss Anna Anderson was hostess on
Tuesday evening at her home on Les
ter street at delightful luncheon.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

The members of the Ladies Aid
Society of the Swedish Baptist Church
will hold their annual business meeting
at the home of Mrs. Youngquist on
Lyman avenue at two-thirty clock
on Thursday afternoon.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Miss Jessie House of Selma avenue
has returned from Button, Ohio,
where she visited for three weeks with
her grandparents.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Miss Bernadine Zietler of Winthrop
Harbor, spent Tuesday evening at the
guest Of Miss Margaret Bostetter of
West street.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08
Personals

William Book, of Racine, was bust
ness visitor in the city today.
John P. schmitt is business visitor
N Chicago today.
Mr.. and Mrs. Peter Rhode were in
Chicago on Tuesday.
James Crossin went to Chicago on
Tuesday on business.
D. W. Korf has returned from a
short business trip to Chicago.
Michael Bode was business visitor
IN Chicago on Tuesday.
Miss Bernice Bennington left Keno
sha this morning to return to school in
the east.
Mrs. Michael Bode entertained at
bridge on Tuesday evening at her home
on South Sheridan Road.
Mrs Frank Sullivan will entertain
the Bridge Club at the EIks Club this
evening.
Harry Gilbert Of Market street was
a business visitor in Chicago on Tues
day.
Frank Truax left Kenosha ON Tues
day for an extended business trip in
the east.
Mr.. and Mrs. Charles W. Davis Of
Evanston are spending few days with
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Miss Mabel Hutchesen Of Aurora is
the guest of Mrs. Chester D. Barnes at
her home on Prairie avenue.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

The Ladies Aid Society Of the First
Baptist Church will meet with Mrs. I.
W. Corey. on Thursday afternoon at
2:30 clock.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

The Misses Marguerite Harbaugh
and Marie Bode left this morning for
Los Angeles where they expect to
make an indefinite visit.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

The st. Marie's Danish Lutheran
Congregation will hold the annual bust
ness meeting this evening" at seven
thirty clock IN the Danish Norwegian
M. f. Church at the corner Of Bond
and Pomeroy streets.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Mr.. and Mrs George II. Ward, Ss3i
West street, announce the. sngsUomenass
of their daughter, Florenes Louise, ts!
T. A. Iversen of 1913 Firstaavsnue.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Mrs. D. o. Williams was pleasantly
surprised by the members of her club
at her home on Congress street on Mon
day evening. A delicious luncheon was
served by the girls at late hour.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Mr.. and Mrs. James Cavanagh Of
Prairie avenue will leave Kenosha on
Friday for Ann Arbor, Mich, for a
stay of several weeks duration.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

The Kensington of the First Baptist
Church held an interesting meeting at
the parsonage on Monday evening with
Mrs. |. W. Corey as hostess for the
evening.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Mrs. W. R. Barnes left Kenosha this
morning for Pass Christian, Miss,
where she expects to visit for several
weeks.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

The regular meeting of the Royal
Neighbors was held Tuesday evening at
Castle Hall. A card party was held
by members Of the society in the after
noon.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

In primitive times the headdress
MAS distinctive mark, representing
Ne organization Of groups of men.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Charles Turnock ST., Of Salem, who
has been visiting his son, Charles E.
Turnock of Sheridan Road, has left for
Los Angeles and Long Beach, Calf,
where he will spend several months.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

The members of the Social Circle of
the First Congregational Church met
Tuesday afternoon with Mrs. r. d.
Mahlstaed, 476 Park street.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Tuesday was the first anniversary of
the death of Theodore Roosevelt. In
observance of the day special ceremo.
mics were held in many of the school
rooms of the city. At these services
the story of the life of the great Amer
lean We're told by teachers and stu
dents.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Oscar Haertlein has returned from a
five days visit with relatives in Ply
mouth, Wis.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

The members of the Woman IS Auxili-
airy of the Park Avenue NJ. E. Church,
viii meet with Mrs. E. L. Grant Of 479
Prairie avenue at two-thirty o'clock
Thursday afternoon. Mesdames Bron-
son, Van Westrinen and Gels will act
as assistant hostesses. Mrs. George
Stephens will talk on Wisconsin
y riters.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Mrs. P. G. Little has returned to her
homo in Tulsa, Okla, after spending the
holidays with relatives and friends in
Kenosha and other points in the county.
The Men Is Brotherhood Of Grace Eng
lish Lutheran Church will meet in the
church parlors at eight O'Clock Thurs
day evening.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Mrs. W. J. Phillips has returned to
her home in Cleveland, O., after spend
In gthe holidays with Kenosha friends
and relatives.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Phe advisory committee--of4 the Kes
nosha Service League held its spegulaSs
meeting this morning at the Offices Olss
the organization.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Invitations have been issued for a
luncheon and bridge party to be given
Saturday afternoon at the Elks Club
with Mrs. William O'Donnell and Mrs.
Dexter Kent as hostesses.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Several new pupils have ebeen admits
ted to Kemper Hall after the holiday
vacation.
The Young PeOpIe3s SecietykOf thS9
Swedish Lutheran Church, withhold a
business meeting in the cAurchsparlorss
Friday evening.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Mr.. and Mrs. A. Fl. Lance of Prairie
avenue left this morning for an ex-
tended visit with relatives and friends
in Los Angeles and other cities in
California.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Mr.. and Mrs. Charles w. Davis of
Evanston are spending few days with
friends in Kenosha.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

her home On Prairie az enOe.
Miss Bernadine Zietler of Winthrop
Harbor, spent Tuesday evening at the
guest of Miss Margaret Bostetter of
West street.
The Misses Marguerite Harbaugh
and Marie Bode left this morning for
Los Angeles where they expect to
make an indefinite visit.
Miss Jessie House of Selma avenue
has returned from Bluffton, Ohio,
where she visited for three weeks with
her grandparents.
The Ladies Aid Society Of the First
Baptist Church will meet with Mrs. /.
W. Corey. on Thursday afternoon at
2:30 o'clock.
Mrs. W. r. Barnes left Kenosha this
morning for Pass Christian, Miss.
where she expects to visit for several
weeks.
Mrs. W. j. Phillips has returned to
her home in Cleveland, O., after spend
in gthe holidays with Kenosha friends
and relatives.
The members of the Social Circle of
the First Congregational Church met
Tuesday afternoon with Mrs. r. d.
Mahlstaed, 476 Park street
Mr.. and Mrs. James Cavanagh Of
Prairie avenue will leave Kenosha on
Friday for Ann Arbor, Mich, for a
stay of several weeks duration.
Mrs. D. 0. Williams was pleasantly
surprised by the members of her club
at her home on Congress street on Mon
day evening. A delicious luncheon was
served by the girls at late hour.
The Kensington of the First Baptist
Church held an interesting meeting at
the parsonage on Monday evening with
Mrs. [. W. Corey as hostess for the
evening.
The regular meeting Of the Royal
Neighbors was held Tuesday evening at
Castle Hall. A card party was held
by members of the society in the after
noon
Charles Turnock ST., Of Salem, who
has been visiting his son, Charles E.
Turnock of Sheridan Road, has left for
Los Angeles and Long Beach, Calf.
where he will spend several months.
Invitations have been issued for a
luncheon and bridge party to be given
Saturday afternoon at the Elks Club
with Mrs. William O'Donnell and Mrs.
Dexter Kent as hostesses.
Mr.. and Mrs. A. II. Lance of Prairie
avenue left this morning for an ex-
tended visit with relatives and friends
in Los Angeles and other cities in
California.
Tuesday was the first anniversary of
the death of Theodore Roosevelt. In
observance of the day special ceremo.
MES we're held in many of the school
rooms of the city. At these services
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

Frank Truax left Kenosha ON Tues
day for an extended business trip ir
the east.
The Telegraph-courier. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1888-1946, 1920-01-08

William Book, of Racine, was bust
ness visitor in the city today.
The Washington times., 1920-07-10
Tates Decisions and Legal Points For Auto Owners

automobiles are kept warm. while
standing outdoors In cold weather.
Anyone wishing 10 take advantage OF
the electric current for heating the
radiator while his car Is left stand
ing pays an annual fee TO the electric
light company and receives a key that
enables him TO use >the current taps.
The customer also receives a license
number which is tied to the connect
ing cord OF his electric heater, so that
the Inspector OF the electric light
company can see whether or not
authorized parties are using the
plugs.
The consumer must. OF course, pro-
vide his own electric radiator heater.
The idea is one which has great possi-
billties, especially in the localities
which get very cold in winter.
The Washington times., 1920-07-10
HEAT RADIATORS BY TAP
ON CITY ELECTRIC POLES

Although this is not the time OF
year TO talk about keeping the
radiator warm. yet IL is not too early
10 mention a very clever idea adopted
by the electric .A-ht company OF Lon
don. ontario. Cantaa. Perhaps the
plan could be worked out by many OF
our own cities. and now Is the time to
bring Il 10 their attention, rather than
later on when the service is needed.
Current taps have been installed on
electric light poles at convenient
points throughout the Canadian city,
by means OF which the radiators OF
The Washington times., 1920-07-10

from the alleged negligence of the
county authorities in failing to keep
the roads in proper condition. The
suit was against the county. The
motorist, for the purpose OF showing
that the county recognized the de-
fcctive condition of the road in ques-
ton at tho time of the accident
wanted to prove that after the acci'
dent the county Immediately got busy
and repaired the alleged defects. Such
evidence would undoubtedly have con-
siderable weight with jury, where
the county denies that the road was
not properly maintained. but the
court decided that such evidence is
not permissible.
The reasons for the courts ruling
are sound. 1t points out that IL such
evidence were admitted. that fact
would always deter counties from
making Improvements while litiga-
ton Is pending. for they would fear
that their activity in this direction
would be evidence against them.
Also. the court said. such evidence
would have tendency to divert the
minds of the jury from their primary
duty to reach a conclusion upon all
the evidence in the case. rather than
upon differences from indirect facts.
In recent New York case a motor
transfer company was sued for its
failure to deliver package. The evi
dence indicated that the package had
been stolen by one of the company :
employees. 1t also appeared that the
shipper had grossly undervalued his
package, so as to avoid the extra