The New York herald. [volume] (New York, N.Y.) 1920-1924, 1920-11-12
MAYOR FOLLOWED
STONE RING ORDERS
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Dor union end of it as a blind to he

Yes. sir; there is no doubt about
that"
And all this CANNON and talk about
ment and all the rest OF 1t. that was
just a plan to get that contract for the
limestone ring?'
Yes; that seems to be the way he
was acting"
He fooled you pretty well?"
"Yes. l think he fooled a lot Of
others. / think l was fooled. and many
other people were fooled"
Don't you know that there Is no
more non-union labor in the manufac-
ture of terra Gotta than in the quarry
ing of limestone?'
No; didn't know then. and / don't
know now"
Mr.. Untermyer brought out the facts
regarding the local and national organ
ization of the stone cutters. The Mayor
said he had heard about 1t since the
inquiry started. The Commissioners OF
Accounts was investigating the subject
for several months, but did not find ont
about it, The statements In the letter
that the terra Gotta men lived out OF
the city; that non-union men were en-
ployed in those plants and the other
statements on the subject were shown
to be untrue. The Mayor knew nothing
about the facts He kept saying he just
sen. along the letter to be investigated
"Why would it not have been better
if you had simply handed this on as
somebody's statement who was inter
ested in limestone?"
1T probably would have been better
but you don't always use the best 1udg-
ment when there are so many things
coming along as fast as they do In The
mayors Office"
II want to show you what pack OF
falsehoods there Is in this. that there
was not a statement true in IT,.
1T won't say that there was. MT. On-
termyer."
Lust look at all this labor argument
| YOU made that is big argument ever
when you are using it as a stalking
horse for some fellow who IS nothing
but schemer and promoter!
Yes sir"
Don't you think that the concluding
paragraph of your letter was a dlrec'
recommendation to the board that you
| had appointed to give this school bust
ness to limestone?'
mo"
but don't you see what the argument
was-the limestone men living In the
city and non-union men making the
terra Gotta in New Jersey. and all the
rest?"
"From the information I had received
| | believed 1t true" the Mayor said.
just Sent Letter "Along."
"But why should you, Mr.. Mayor. take
the statement of a man whom you can
not even recognize and then make a
concluding argument like that In favor
of limestone?"
II sent 1t along as told you for their
information"
Don't you think you have hard
time explaining away that last para
graph"
IL don't see why I should have"
.If YOU are satisfied with yourself
don't let's ask any more questions"
81 have sent along all communications
and informat ton l got to heads of de-
partments to act upon to the best OF
their Judgment"
Senator Lockwood interrupted. He
said he wished to have the case stated
clearly. He asked for the record.
do we understand that the letter
from Mayor Hylan to Mr.. Wilsey OF the
Board of Education Is an exact copy OF
the Enclosure drawn by Hettrick and
sent to the Mayor
stated and the Mayor assented.
Including the last paragraph"
Including every word from beginning
to end, only that it is signed by the
Mayor"
Mr.. Untermyer took up the Red Book
of the limestone employers association
and showed that many contractors in the
ring lived in New Jersey. That was
all news to the Mayor.
The Mayors conduct as arbitrator In
the bricklayers' strike early this year
came up for questioning. The Mayor
settled that by giving the bricklayers $40
a day and counsel asked whether he ever
figured out what that meant to the city.
The Mayor said he hadn't. He could not
see any improperly in his acting in that
strike, he said, as 1t was necessary 10
set work started.
Don't you think, holding the position
you did In the city administration, al
the head of It. being practically the
master of the situation, who has any
where from sixty to seventy millions OF
contracts under way. that you were in
eligible as custodian of the city's treas
ury and money from acting as arbi-
traitor on such a question:
mo: / didn't feel so. / thought we
ought to get the strike settled"
Soon after the Wilsey letter was sent,
Mr. Untermyer brought out, Hettrick
again wrote TO the Mayor, saying:
Dear Sir-Referring TO the conversa-
lions l had in reference TO the use OF
natural stone In the public school build
ing ! beg to say that / am Informed by
the labor union organization men that
there is an attempt on foot now even
after your letter was sent to the Board
of Education. to use terra Gotta In sew
eral buildings the contracts for which
have been awarded. My clients feel. as
they have their homes in the city and
all the cut stone plants are located In
New York, paying taxes to the city OF
New York. they should not be brought
into competition with terra Gotta prod
ucts, which are inferior for permanent
public buildings and are made outside
OF the city of New York by non-union
labor.
Holds out Labor Bait.
"The one school building which is
about to be decided upon as to whether
natural stone or terra Gotta shall be
used IL No. 81. The contractor on this
school building Ii named Nugent and
he r. now carrying on negotiations In
reference TO this matter. Feeling that
you will stand firmly In the position OF
assisting the labor union men or New
York, many OF whom are now out OF
employment and number OF whom
have been in the service on the other
side and are now In thu city OF New
York seeking employment we ask your
continued help IN this matter.
IL beg TO remind you that In my last
interview with you I stated that the In