New-York tribune., 1920-10-10
Order Must BeRestorcdby
Methods However Stern.
He Says; Cannot Grant
Dominion Home Rule
Sees Conscription
Forced ON England
Fears Possible Irish Army
and Civil War; Defends
Police for Reprisals
By Frank Getty

Copyright. 1920 New York Tribune Inc
LONDON, Oct. 9.-Premier Lloyd
George, addressing a large gathering
of his fellow-W elshmen at Carnarvon
to-day on the Irish question, declared
that the nation must restore order in
Ireland by methods however stern"
The government must proceed with
its measure for the complete self
government Of Ireland" the Prime
Minister said, adding that it could not
give Ireland dominion home rule. That,
he said, would mean conscription in
England. Ireland under dominion rule,
he explained, might impose conscrip
tion and raise an army of half mil
lion men, and then England would have
to follow suit. Besides, he said, Ire
land demanded an absolutely separate
republic. Ulster would not have that
republic, and therefore he did not
want to negotiate peace with civil war
at the very door The present Home
portunity and facility, Mr.. Lloyd
George asserted, to manage its own
domestic affairs.
Defends Police Reprisals
The Prime Minister'S keynote of re-
storing order in ireland was linked
with a defense of the reprisals carried
out by the Royal Irish Constab bulary.
He offered double defense for the
police. In the first place, he said, they
did not bomb houses and shoot men
!, 1oI
238 policemen had been shot, 100 Of
them dead, and their patience had
given way, with the result that they
hit back in reprisal. In the second
place, the Premier argued, if there was
war in Ireland, as is contended, then
the war must be waged on both sides.
Mr.. Lloyd George insisted that "the
murdrous gang now dominating the
country must be broken up, because
we cannot permit the country to fall
into anarchy.'
CARNARVON, Wales, Oct. 9. (By
The Associated Press. Premier
Lloyd George in fighting speech to
his Welsh constituents to-day turned
down dominion Home Rule, protesting
against the suggestions that the gov
ernment should 90 further than did
Ireland needs it, not because it is fair
to the United Kingdom, but because
crime has been successful"
Mr.. Lloyd George said he could un-
derstand and sympathize with the idea
that government should be given
because it would bring good will, but
not because gang of assassins had
bul led the government into it,"
No one wanted to manage Ireiand's
dome tic affairs, Mr.. Lloyd George said,
but dangerous weapons like armies and
navies were better under the control
of the Imperial Parliament, and the
government would resist any attempt
to give Ireland a separate navy and
army.
Discusses Killing of Policemen
Referring to the killing of police
men, Mr.. Lloyd George said:
"While these murders were going on
I never read word of protest from
the Sim Fem in Ireland Mr.. Ar
thur Griffiths (founder Of the Sim
Fem, very able and distinguished
lrishman. communicated to the press
of the United States and, believe
to the English press-an interview the
other day in which he showed great
concern at the prospect of what he
upon his own life. | do not believe
there is any attack being concerted
against his life, but never saw a
word from Arthur Griftiths displaying
any Indignation at the killing of 100
policemen"
The Premier said that if there was
a state of war in ireland it would give
the soldiers and policemen fair
chance and the would give n good ac-
count of themselves. He demanded
whether the police we're to stand to be
shot down like dogs without any at
tempt to defend themselves, and de-
cared it was more than human nature
could tolerate.
The Premier charged that Ireland
had assisted the German submarine
campaign, and declared that, although
little had been said about it, Ireland
was Great Britain's worry during the
war. Had any one ever proposed such
lunacy, he demanded, as to allow Ire
land to obtain her independence, with
her own army and navy, and her ca
pacity for assisting Great Britain s
enemies?
In connection with the charge that
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