New-York tribune., 1920-11-25
Appeals to Lords for an
11th-Hour Attempt to
Pacify Erin Through
Measures of Generosity
Withdrawal Better
Than Terror Reign
Asks Self Government
Along Dominions' Sys-
tenn; Reprisals Assailed

LONDON, Nov. "a (By The Associated
Press The debate in the House of
Lords on Irish Home Rule tonight was
made memorable by notable appeal
from Viscount Grey, former Secretary
for Foreign Affairs, to the government
for an eleventh hour attempt, by GEN
erosity to ireland, to fashion the bill
into an acceptable measure
In speech displaying no resent
ment and taking full account of the
governments extreme difficulties in
Ireland he urged that unless the gov
ernment was able to secure effective
control in Ireland it would be better
to withdraw all the armed force and
leave Ireland to find her own Salvation.
Whether the appeal will be needed
time will show, but it is significant that
Earl Middleton intends tomorrow to
move adjournment of the debate for q
fortnight, to allow the government time
to consider what amendments, financial
and otherwise, it will propose.
Asquith Urges Pacifcation
While the viscount was delivering
his speech in the upper house former
Premier Asquith, leader of the Oppo-
slton, moved his resolution, expressing
adherence Of the recent Dublin assas-
sinations, condemnation of reprisals
and urging the taking of immediate
steps to bring about irish paciicat:on.
Sir Hamar Greenwood, Chief Secre-
tary for Ireland, replying to Mr.. AS
quith, told of the recent activities of
the murder gang" in Ireland, and dis
closed that Irish republicans had
planned acts of sabotage in England.
Viscount Grey declared the real
cause OF failure in obtaining a settle
ment was the differences of opinion in
Ireland itself. Until these differences
were composed, he asserted, there could
be no settlement, and the bill before
The Lords, to put it mildly, had not
made the differences less. 1t had con-
ciliated Ulster, Lord Grey said, but had
brought the Southern Unionists and
Natlonalists into opposition.
Grey Outlines Plan
Lord Grey argued that it would have
been better had the government, in.
stead of preparing a detailed bill
started by laying down in broad lines
the limits within which Ireland could
have complete autonomy and the mini
mum which England must reserve for
the security and safety not only Of
'herself, but of Ireland.
He outlined this minimum as, frs
placing Ireland in precisely the same
position with regard to foreign affairs
as the great self-governing dominions
with the same right 70 be consulted
about commercial treaties, and, second
only one army in these two islands
He would not, however, contemp "a te
the maintenance of any imperial troops
in Ireland after Home Rule had passed
unless Ireland desired it,
One Navy and Authority
Il am perfectly certain, and the his
tory of war shows it, that unless there
is only one navy and one naval author
NY HtlIHtI lIcIdHu nor GTeaL Brltaln
could be defended" said Lord Grey
That must be without qualification
Whatever dominion Home Rule might
mean, we must from the beginning
have no ambiguity on this question:"
With England and Ireland so close
together and under modern conditions
of mines and submarines, he continued
it was absolutely inconsistent with the
safety of either country that there
should be divided naval authority. He
admitted that after what had happened
in Ireland in the last few weeks he
could hardly advocate as a practicable
course, as he did recently, that Ireland
should be left to say what form OF
government she desired. But the time
might come when the government would
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