New-York tribune., 1920-11-21
Boiling Denies
Any Share in
Shipping e Graft
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the board was in any way animad-
vcrtine on Walsh's committee.'
Admiral Benson, in reply to ques
tons. admitted that he had had dis
Duto with :. II. Fisher when the latter
was an investigator for the board over
some charges that were being rumorod.
The chairman said he did not renem-
Der whether the dispute was over the
charges in which Mr. Sands involved
Mr.. Boiling or not.
Later, Admiral Benson said, the ru
mors involving Mr.. Boiling, who was
treasurer of the Shipping Board. we're
brought to him by Alfred W McCann.
I. New York newspaper reporter, and
he ordered an investigation.
There is not a grain Of truth in it"
Taf Tather ' long ng. ha1e S known Tv rue Tucker r
Sands since about 1913. In 1915, when
was in the contracting business,
tuit him a house. When the time
came 10 pay for it he did not have Gil
the money and paid me $4,000 and gave
M his note for $4,000. l put my name
on the back Of the note and discounted
"Nr. Sands always had been my
tlons with him. From time to time he
curtailcd the note. and in the spring
Of 1918 there was still about $4,000 un-
pei on it.
AT that time he introduced NE to
a Mr.. Cranor. connected with the Dow
ney Shipbuilding Company. l under
stood. aud asked me 20 get certain
species of chinery-bendinS rolls
which the Emergency Fleet Corporation
was to furnish the Downey Shipbuild-
ing Company for the construction of
al ! l.
rolls had been promised to the Downey
Shipbulding Company, but were being
shipped to some other concern, and
they asked me if could help MIR.
Cranor have these rolls shipped TO the
Downey Company.
"Some time after that Mr.. Sands
told me that he had received fee for
procuring these bending rolls for the
Downey Company and offered to divide
il with me. ! think the fee was $1,000
Il told Mr.. Sands that under no con-
d5tions would [ accept any part of it.
.ir. Sands then told me that as he
never paid me any profit on building
his house, having waived the same
that ne would ike to pay me what
thought was q fair profit for the work
nae dcne IN building his house.
tod him that $500 was a fair profit il
he wanted to pay it. Even then he dc
not pay mo all Of it. giving me &20C
then and $500 later.
That is about all the story, except
that Mr.. Sands has left out that he st.l'
owes ne 5000 on that note. | want tC
make it clear that Mr. Sands has never
given NE another dollar except 10 cur
tail that note to what it now amounts
to-
Mr.. Boiling said that he had re
ceived letter from Mr.. Sands TWO o.
tree weeks AGO. saying that Mr.. Sand.
could not pay any more on the note a.
present.
why he made the charge is pretty
we'll covered in the statement s'ver
lou by Admiral Benson Mr.. Bolling
I said IN reply 10 questions.
MIR. Sands practically threatened n.
al shat time
Threatening letters were received b,
"other people than himself, Nh Boil
ing said
"Thcse letters said that if the De
nartment OF Justice did not stop pros
ccuting Mr.. Sands would be brough'
into tbs
The first letter was received by Mr.
TUmulty in the fall OF 1918, Mr.. Boil
ing said MI. McAdoo received one il
February, 1919. he said.
"Mr. Tumulty told me to forget abou
it end tore UP one letter he received, ),
Mr.. Boiling said II have the other
it would have only been fair and JUS
Of tho Walsh COMMITTEES TO have in
ves5ieated the rumor first before TIL
charges were made public"
Mr.. Rolling sad that Mr.. Fisher ha,
not talked with him about the charge
At the time.
Asked who the Nr. Kramer intro
duccd 20 hm by Mr. Sands was, Nj
Boiling said that ne did not know
"Mr Sands used 70 send good man
people to SEQ ne Mr.. Boiling saiC
"Whenever he wanted anything don
he would send people to me-
Did You ever hear about the allege
SO 000 brihe ?" Mr. Boiling was asle,
Il never heard Of it until the stor
became common rumor about two year
ago"
Mr. Boiling said that he did nc
know Lesser Sisler, iormer secret ar
Of the Shipping Board. and had ncve
heard Of him until r. vas mentioned j
the first Of the threatening letters
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