The New York herald. [volume] (New York, N.Y.) 1920-1924, 1920-11-05

| nder this method could easily be
hecked and prices raised at will.
After going into the details OF the
| ,Iettrick card system for receiving and
laeing bids. Hanlsin testified that in
| 1904 he visited the office OF William
rravers Jerome. then District Attorney,
20 give evidence concerning the '1lle-
| gaiity' Of the Greater New York Cut
stone Association. He said he COM
planned because he did not wish to be-
come member of this organization
But II hadn't joined" he said. my
men would all have been pulled off,
Hanlefn made this admission after the
statement that he maintained union
shop. He was informed by delegates,
he said. Of the plan of his workers to
force him into tbs association.
Referring to the amounts Of money
required Of tho contractors by their as
sociatfons, Mr.. Unternyer asked:
Didn't you pay one-eighth OF l
per cent per cubic foot to the Inter-
national Cut Stone Association"
''Oh. that's old. that's old" replied
tIaniein. showing more interest In the
proceedings than before. Nov we only
pay 500 a year.
He said the policy Of paying fixed
amounts to both associations was
necessary to keep the members from
bankruptcy.
You mean 1t was necessary to keep
up pricee?" asked Mr.. UnterTnyer.
Hanlein said ho was not ashamed OF
the plan. He admitted. however that
he was ashamed of anything he had
done which might have been Illegal. Mr..
Untermyer showed Hanlein a sheet
which he said contained the name and
number of every member of the "Het-
trick outfit" and the amount that every
member OF the pool was to get out of
It. He said It showed how much they
were to draw out and how much busi-
ness they were to get.
The total amount Of business for
Hanlein and his associates was placed
at $3.993, 500. Figures were riven to
show that Hanlein got s152oS9 more
than his allotment. and there was
notation showing that he owed the
insurance fund" $17,7o4. He said he
supposed he would have to pay It.
"You just paid your money and never
saw what you were going to get out
of TT" asked Mr.. Untermyer.
Did m They Were Told.
..sure. The group simply did as they
we're told and took what he gave
them
Bids were usually approved or re-
jected by Hettrfck over the telephone.
he said.
IF your figures are lower than other
figures submitted. and he sees that you
can do II low, then that Is mistake. Is
TT"
mo" said Hanlein. 'If your figures
are low he knows there is something
wrong"
Haniein said that his first estimate
for tire Court House Job was s1.s4o 200
He produced fgures---a single piece OF
paper with two little rows Of figures
10 show how he had arrived at that es-
Innate. Mr.. JnterInyer laughed and
told him TO dig deeper.
One figure on the estimate sheet,
which Hanleln admitted was ''proht
estimate" and not a cost estimate"
was an item of $4,000 for insurance"
"You don't mean insurance" said Mr..
Unternyer. You mean Hettrick."
mot all of it,
What kind Of insurance did you
have?'
"F''re insurance"
what! Fire Insurance on cut stone?
You were afraid II would melt -
NO" replied Hanlein. "but we had
to have some Insurance. for the building
In which the stone was kept" d.
Hanlein consented to produce figures
by which ne arrived Mt the estimate ON
the Cunard Building. for which he got
the contract.
"we want to find out how much more
you were going TO charge the city than
the flgure you gave the Cunnrd people,"
said Mr.. Untermyer.
The hearing will continue to-day.
-