The New York herald. [volume] (New York, N.Y.) 1920-1924, 1920-12-16

blacklisted and unable 10 obtain work
under the open shop method because
they were known as union men. a
system of espionage was maintained
through a detective agency. they de-
clared. whereby their clothes were
searched, and II they We're found to be
union members they were discharged.
The open shop was a Joke" they in
sisted ii was, non-un lon, not open. and
union men could not get work.
Mr.. Untermyer informed the commit
tee he had written to Charles NJ.
Schwab Offering the chairman of the
Bethlehem board the opportunity to take
the witness stand IL he wished to
answer testimony given Tuesday relat-
ing TO a conference a. which he was
quoted as saying steel would not be sold
except under the closed shop restrIc-
tions. In answer Mr. Schwab stated
Mr.. Grace would take the stand and give
all the Information the committee might
desire.
Mr.. Grace said he was president Of
some of the subsidiary companies con-
trolled by the Bethlehem, but could not
tell which ones except the Bethlehem
Steel Company and the Bethlehem Ship
building Corporation. He did not know
how many subsidiaries there are, but
said they all function through the main
corporation. He had read the testimony
given by Harry Black, Louis Horowitz
and Paul Starrett and remembered the
conference to which they referred with
himself and Mr.. Schwab. The Bethle-
hem Bridge Corpora ton IL member of
the National Erecto-s Association, he
said. but is not a member of the Iron
League.
DO YOU know when, II at all. the
policy was adopted by your associa-
ton IN common with other steel fabri-
Gators of declining to sell steel (. o. b.
unless It was to be erected through the
Iron League in New York on the closed
shop principle?' Mr.. Untermyer asked
bethlehem Not In Agreement.
'orhe Bethlehem Steel Company or its
subsidiaries never had any such agree
ment with any other interest" Mr.. Grace
answered.
You define the policies OF your cor
poration, don't you?" !
IL take part in it, yes"
Mr.. Untermyer recited the testimony
Of Messrs Starrett and Black. and Mr.
Grace said he recalled that he nad
stated he would not sell steel to Mr..
Horowitz under particular circumstances
Of union shop basis. but that was not
because OF an agreement with others.
The witness said he did not know about
the bylaws OF the National Steel Fabri-
ators Association, declaring ."rnreserv-
edly In favor OF the open shop in all
plants, and recommending that the
policy of the members of that Associa-
,tion be to adjust their businesses so
mat the steel fabricated by them Is
erected In open shop" and further that
Al. t.-~ too ~ n a
ton ''use all influences in its power in
mills with manufacturers and business
associates 10 bring about that policy"
The witness said that was news to him.
ut is not news to you that you fol-
lowed out that policy?"
1--WE were not following the policy OF
any resolution"
You are party to the resolution"
Mr.. Untermyer said. Are you repudi-
ating the resolution"
"I am not In position TO repudate It."
"Who represented you in voting for
that resolution"
Tho president OF the Bethlehem
Bridge Corporation represented us IN
those meetings.
How many presidents have your
II don't know -
You have stopped trying TO keep
track of them but you don't repudiate
his action in voting for the resolution"
II don't know what his action was.
You know the resolution was passed
and YOU have observed it,
81 have told you what our policy is"
"No. you will have to answer thai
question you are not in the Office Of
the Bethlehem company now, you are
before n Legislative Committee under
oath. Just remember that"
II don't know what the resolution
means"
Mr.. Untermyer handed the resolution
10 the witness and asked him TO study
1t and then answer.
''If this means putting into operation
the policy of selling fabricated material
10 the Omen shop. we have followed IL"
the witness said.
so that your corporation, since the
passage Of that resolution. has ADOPTED
the policy. has IT, of selling fabricated
steel only TO be erected on what you
call the open shop princlple?"
Policy Of the Corpora
That is the policy OF our corporation
I do not know whether it was decided
before or after that particular resolu-
ton"
but don't you see that this particu-
lar policy, evidenced by the resolution.
has been decided. not by one steel fab.
ricator. hut by the Fabricators Associa-
ton You realize that, don't you?''
From that action / believe II had.
yes" n
What ! am trying to get at Is
whether, being a member OF the associa-