Evening star., 1920-11-21
Sands Testifies in
Bribe Charge
Investigation.
CONFUSED WHILE
CROSS-EXAMINED
Admits He Doesn't
Think ID. G.. Banker
Got a Cent
By the Associated Press.

tions tending to implicate men now
and formerly connected with the
United States Shipping Board with
alleged collusion in securing con-
tracts for the Wallace Downey Ship
building Company of New York were
made here today by Tucker K. Sands,
witness before the Walsh committee in
vestigating Shipping Board affairs.
The men named and alleged to have
participated in a distribution of more
than 100000 were r. W. Boiling,
brother-in-law Of President Wilson
and now treasurer of the Shipping
Board: Lester Sisler. formerly secre-
tary OF the board; John Cranor. a
representative Of the Downey Ship
building Company. and Sands him
self. BE testified that he received
the money in the form Of notes."
some OF which he discounted and at
different times described payments to
Boiling and Sisler as both pay
ments" and 'loans." In another part
Of his testimony he asserted that the
money was to be understood as a COM
mission to him for securing a loan
from the bank to the shipbuildine
company. with which the witness was
then connected.
Reporter Tells Story.
The testimony OF Sands was preced-
ed by 1hat Of Alfred w. McCann, a
reporter for the New York Globe. who
swore he had secured from Sands An
ah1davit detailing the entire transac-
tion. McCann further testified that
when he took the afiidavit to Sands
for. him to sigp he declined q de 10
on advice Of his attorney. Previous
to submitting tho afndAvft sor. Sands.
signature, however. McCaAn, said he
had taken the document Is the shin
ping Board and had It photosta ted.
Ono Of these copies carrying notations
tn what was testified to be sands.
handwriting and which Sands after
ward testified to being Correct ex-
cept that some Of the facts may be a
little. different" was presented nv
McCann in evidence. The document.
however, was not made a part of the
stenographer's minutes Of the hea ring.
In the course Of QUESTIONING bv
Cnairman Walsh and Congressman
Kelly. Sands said he did not think
Boiling ever got q cent from anybody
for aiding to get a contract-that
money given him was a .1oan." AZ
another time he stuck to a statement
that Boiling was to get his share AZ
the transaction-that he gave sialer
$5,ooo'-and that he had loaned sf.ler
Tor one OF his companies $1,000 on his
note. which note he still has. He
said he had never had any controver.v
with Boiling and was on friena1,
terms with him. He also mixed into
his testimony details of a purchase
by him from Boiling of a lot ror eeno
Tried to Get Inauenee.
Sands testified he was now under
Indictment "for allowing a COMPANY
to overdraw-a shipping COMPANY. I,
which was interested" He te.t;.
ned that he was then connected with
the Commercial National Bank Of
Washington as its cashier" He also
testified he had endeavored wfthou,
success to secure Mr.. BollinR's in.
huence to have this case settled
This document says" Chairman
Walsh Informed the witness. referr;no
to the photostat. that $4,000 ia to
be divided among us in the following
manner: $4,000 to be paid in one
lot and equally divided in the su,n
of $s.25o for each of the four of rs
Sisler. Boiling. Cranor and myself,"
Mr.. Cranor was to share in this
commission, too. was he?' Mr.. Walsh
asked.
Yes, sir"
"The representative of Mr.
Downey?"
"Yes, sir"
And you say during the neeotia.
tions, MI. Downey came to Washing.
ton. He ratified the agreement whara
by $4,000 compe, sation was ~ :.
paid"
Il think did" the witness ren,ied
Says He introduced Crnnor.
Sands said he introduced Cranor -
Boiling and Sisler. He testified 70 "a
ceiving the notes from the represent-
ative of Downey. but added there w.s
one thing he would have IN ,ooL
up." referring to the photostat door
ment-"and that was whether l naid
Mr.. Boiling any of the proceeds 80
these notes"
Don't you know you never paid
him cent?" Mr.. Walsh asked.
Il don't recall that 1 did paw him
on this deal, don't think / did"
Sands then testified he had mr..
chased a lot from Boiling and that
he still owed Boiling $500. He also
testified to asking Mr.. Boiling to in.
tercede for him with the Department
Of Justice to get the case against him
brought by the bank, out Of the De-
partment OF Justice. Mr.. Boiling had
refused, he testified.
80 Mr.. Cranor came to Washington
and had several conferences with you
and Mr.. Boiling and Mr.. Sisler, in
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