New-York tribune., 1920-10-22

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personal business"
"Did you lose the other $4,000 at
the racetrack, too ?"
II played cards once in while"
Don't you know there are no races
IN this section of the country on
May III"
II don't know. ] don't remember
where the track was"
AT this point Mark Rafalsky, a
broker, was produced by Untcrmyer and
backer recognized him.
Did you tell Mr.. Rafalsky fifteen
minutes after the act that you had paid
$4,000 to Brindell to stop the strike q"
II don't remember"
Didn't you tell him in this place
ilfteen minutes ago, when he asked you
II you told him that, that you did,,
don't believe it came up. But maybe
he is right. Maybe l did, but l don't
believe / did"
Strangers Got Money
who is the man that you paid the
money to ."
"A couple Of strangers. met them
IN the lobby of the Hotel Chatham on
the day Mr.. Levy gave me the money"
Ihen the racetrack story is myth
under oath ?"
Just for g minute"
Backer here explained that he had
spoken to Brindcll about the strike
about week before the money was
handed over, and that he saw him once
again few days before that event.
Tie SAID he met the strangers several
times before, but didn't know their
rames or who they were He described
them as ordinary men, cx-workingmen.
who probably were walking delegates
from the 'Grafters' Union" lie said he
didn't trouble himself about their
identity. so long as they could deliver
the goods.
"Mhat promises did they make ?"
"Thcy said they could get work start
ed up If they got paid for IT,
Backcr said he saw Brindell at his
office in the presence of Mr.. Jones.
a contractor engaged in cxcavating
work. q
He said the two strangers to whom
he paid over the money had approach
ed him about the fixing matter and de-
spite the fact that Mr. Levy had said
the men went back to work before
the first instalmcnt was paid, Backer
sald he paid over the money to the
strangers only after the mon had gone
tor large sum, said Backer, because
they insisted they "would have to di-
vide with large number of people"
BrindelI the Main Boss
Backer then said hs always went to
Brndell when he had any trouble. that
he was absolute boss of all such situa-
tions, that he could stop and start
jobs and whatever he said was law
but these strangers could not go
over Brindell's head? Didn't you say
that Brindell was absolute boss and
that what he said goes 2"
"He is the absolute boss Strike or
no strike depends on him"
and you knew that, didn't you?"
"Yes"
What did you mean by telling the
to the race track and lost it there :?
That was a willful and deliberate false
hood, wasn't 2'
"Woll, didn't mean it. I apologize
haven't sworn false. | will refresh
my memory and see if | was at the
racetrack that day or not"
"Now, isn't it a fact, Mr. Backor, that
you told that first story about the
racetrack because you were afraid your
friendship with Brindcll would be dis
rupted, and being put out of the build
rng business? %
81 am not afraid of that at all. Mr.
Brlndell wouldn't put me out of the
building business"
"Why did you tell that story? Was
il from fear or friendship for Brin-
dell %
Goth, maybe"
Backer then told Samuel A. Berger,
Deputy Attorney General, that it was
likely that man named Mayer, con-
structing a building at 305 West End
Avenue, also had to give up
Won't Name Informant
Mr. Berger said "Now, let US have
the information about the S2500O."
IL decline to answer. 1t is ques-
tion of whether | am going back on a
man or not"
"Who is this man." asked Mr.. Inter
myer yesterday.
81 do not know" replied Backer.
Here Backer asserted that Otto
Eidlitz, of the Building Trades En-
ployers' Association, was Brindell's
cnly boss; that the employers organi-
2ation through Eidlitz practically con-
trolled the labor council of which
prndcll is head, and that the two
bodies worked in the closest harmony
Backer added that Richard David, of
Madison Avenue and Forty second
Street, also had been held up, "but
are now going ahead, there must be
some reason" He also told of the
Metropolitan Life Building being held
Up for three months.
"Therc are tile layers" said Backer,
chat can easily lay seventyhvc to
ninety feet of tilng a day and the
union will restrict them to forty. Any
body that lays more than forty they
kick out Of the union. If you rcmcm-
Der the Parks incident twelve years
ago, that delegate that finally died in
jail to-day he would be saint who
was only a cheap CRATER. He was a
500 CRATER I wish he was here to-
day"
Wants u Cheap CRATER
"You mean you wish you had a cheap
Grafter to deal with instead of high
binder, the big grafter?'
"Thats what | mean"
"Now, who are the highbinders and
the big grafters?'
"That is the Levy S25, 900 incident
I knew that the two mon were not go
ing to get the $25, 900 and had sus-
picion as to where it was going, but
don't really know to-day who got the
money"
Here Mr.. Untermycr asked Backer il