The Coconino sun., 1920-07-09
CATTLE AND SHEEP MEN DISCUSS MUTUAL PROBLEMS

tle IOt Hidfkel anu IT Llle government continued it's policy of allowing the sale of imporrcG meats, he would earnestly favor any sort of duty on imports of that kind in order to afford ample pro- tection to the livestock interests of Ar izona.
 Senator Smith was on the defensive throughout his address. He was pres ent, he said, merely to ascertain the wishes of the livestock men. He want 1 ed to know what was the matter, and said:
 Every dollar that the U. s. treas ury can put it's hands on is taken from your pockets to meet the pressing de- mands of war expense which now to- tals forty billions of dollars, and this money was wrung from the people of the United States for the purpose of preserving the civilization of the world"
 The speaker attacked those who are seeking to place an added burden on the stock interests securing greater revenues for the government from the government lands on the theory that the national forests belonged as much to Maine and Florida as they do to Arizona, whereas the United States supreme court in one of it's most im- portant decisions ruled that public do- main lands are reserved for the ulti- mate settler. In Smiths opinion any surplus revenues should go into the treasury of Arizona and not that of the nation.
 Smith defended the reserve board by stating that the original purpose of recalling loans was legitimate and proper in that it was directed against the speculator and hoarder, but said it should not have been extended to the original producer
 The senator declared that it was go- ing to be an uphill fight to secure any national legislation of benefit to west en stock interests and painted a pa- thetic picture of himself trying to get action in congress made up largely of unsympathizing customers.
 Frank C. w. Pooler, district forest CT from Albuquerque. said that some portions of the national forests of the southwest were carrying more stock than was good for the forests or for the ranges and that reductions affect ing both sheep and cattle would have to be made.
 For the purpose of bettering the growth of young trees, he said it had become necessary to remove sheep en- tirely from limited block of sections in the Tusayan and Coconino forest reserves. This he estimated at 23 sec tOns for each reserve. Americans will be given preference over alien stockmen in closing up this territory for grazing ground, he said.
 Gov. Campbell.
 Governor Thos. E. Campbell spoke yesterday afternoon at the invitation of Chas. P. Mullen, president of the cattlemen's association. He said:
 "Last January I told the cattlemen that the land department had never defined definite policy, entrusting the administration wholly to the com missioner, and that if the administra- tion of the department was good he was entitled to the credit. l also stat ed that any criticism of the depart ment was likewise his due for the req son that the board had nothing to do "feii thC pOiISlCS Ol thC OIiCC.
 "Since then considerable interest has been aroused in the question of ad- ministering the state lands. l have no desire to discuss the recent land de- partment investigation, for that has nothing to do with matters at hand, ex- cept to say that this matter is proof that we in the land department have been recreant to our trust by not defining policies. The result is that the liberal grant from the government of some 10000 900 acres is exhausted as far as further selections are con cerned.
 "In the beginning the administra- tion of these lands was a simple mat ter because adjudications were easy and it was not difficult for the commis- sioner to please everybody. If A was not satisfied with the allotment of lands to B it was easy to arrange a selection for A at the other end of the range and everyone was satisfied.
 "Now it is not so easy to satisfy the demands of the people and we have reached point where some definite policy must be formulated that you may know your rights and privileges
  and that you may not be harassed further by an indefinite policy.
 Renewals Held Up
 "The land board taking the same position, renewal leases covering l. BOG, 1000 acres of land have been held up to ascertain if such leases are legal. The attorney general is now working on the law and will report to the land board July 20. hope for an interpre- tation of the law which will mean that just the moment lease is cancelled the land will revert to the original status, and that if another application is on file it must be considered togeth- CT with the application for release if any. Pending an opinion from the at- torney general, the commissioner has been ins'iuc. ed not to issue any more renewals until the aspirations of the original lease thus permitting all in- terested parties to have their day in court and prove their equities, and if not satisfied with the decision of the land commissioner to take an appeal to the land board, thus laying the found- II Il =