New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1920-05-10

nered debate on spiritsm last night at
Carnegie Hall that threatened momen-
tarily to develop into battle, for the
reason that several thousand individ-
uals who had paid from rs cents to
$3.50 for the privilege of being among
those present apparently believed the
price of admission entitled them to
participate in the argument.
"Splritism Dissected' was the title
of the discussion as set forth on the
programme, which announced that
Nine. G. Mckenzie, pastor of the
Spirtualist Church of Newark, N. J..
was medium Of note. 1t was also an
nounced that Joseph F. Rim, president
of the Metropolitan Psychical Society
would give check for $4,000 to any
person who furnished proof that the
dead communicate with the living. Mrs
Mckenzie did her best, but Mr.. Rim
chung TO his check.
Spiritism Is Defended
Mrs. Mckenzie was supported in her
defense of spiritism. or spiritualism,
as she insisted it be called, by John
Hill, pastor of the Spiritualist Church
of Advanced Thought, of Manhattan
Joseph Rim and Pastor Elmer D.
FRANKIE, of the Peoples Christian
Church, talked against spiritism from
entirely different angles. Professor
Hereward Darlington, Phi. D., member
OF both the English and American So
cieties for Psychical Research and au-
thor of more than twenty books on mat
tiers psychic, delivered scientific dis
/ course on the subject.
with the exception of Pastor FRANKIE
each speaker was allowed fifteen min
utes Mr. FRANKIE jr. was chairman.
FRANKIE sr. was not limited as to time.
but that had been agreed to by all the
speakers.
Nine. Mckenzie was introduced first.
! She was clad all in white, from throat
to shoes, and her waist was spanned
/ by heavy, tasseled cord, something
more than a yard of it.
III you Will answer truthfully I will
see what | can get," began the medium
in voice that had a middle European
/ flavor. Answer yes or no.
From the topmost gallery there came
1 in reply prolonged "Boo-o-o-o,"
Abruptly Nine. Mckenzie walked to
the edge of the stage at the left and
said:
"There is an old lady back there.
About dozen rows. Her hair is parted
IN the middle. White hair. You're
there. Frank is standing by your side
| can see him. He is white and
! shadowy, He tells you to 90 on with
what you're going on with Go on
with your plans; everything will come
out right"
The mediums eyes were closed
Few Hear Answer
If the old woman who was the oh
lect Of this visitation made any reply
few people heard it, for Nine. Nc
kenzie snapped her fingers, staggered
and opened her eyes
She walked quickly to the other side
of the stage and began:
THAT little lady in black. Can YOU
place dead father? Go on, answer
me. Can you place a dead father?"
Nine: Mckenzie had her right fore
finger leveled at the head of an elderly
woman IN mourning, who after some
stammerlng, indicated that her sire
was dead.
"Ah, ba," continued Nine. Mckenzie,
you're in trouble, or you think YOU
are. But everything will come out
right. He says--he is standing right
beside you now; his hand is on your
Shoulder~he says go on with what
you're going on with. Everything will
come out right"
Nine. Mckenzie snapped her middle
finger against her thumb, staggered
heavily and opened her eyes. Next she
picked out a man in the gallery above
the second tier boxes and told him to
go on with what he was going on with.
The man rose up and denied chat he had
anything to go on with
"Yah,' shouted Nine. Mckenzie. "You
have and you know you have. You're
one of those that wants to down the
work"
Her fingers snapped and her ewes
opened wide. She staggered. The au-
dience, or about two thirds of it..
| laughed.
Laughter Greet's Demand
"Thero is colored gentleman and
he wants to know who is going to win
out in the great cause. Amt there q
colored gentleman back there Are you
a colored gentleman, you there under
the fire extinguisher?"
The laughter was so great Madame
I Mckenzie, or rather her control, forgot
/ to stagger.
"The lady with the black beads;
down in front" Madame walked to
the edge of the stage and indicated q
middle aged woman in deep mourning.
"You right here in the front row.
me? Oh. my God" cried the wom-
an Indicated.
e., Ma sa;s. il. ignored the Interruption;
he tells me everything is going TO be
all right for you. Go ahead with what
you're doing. Your plans will work
out"
THANK you very much" said the
woman.
Madame snapped her fingers and
staggered. Her eyes opened. The au-
dience was laughing.
Madame, entirely out of control, 50
to speak, put her hands on her hips
and she didn't have to aim. either.
There is a soldier boy here. There
is a soldier boy There he is"
Madame indicated q lieutenant colo
mel of the army medical corps. 1t was
bad selection.