New-York tribune., 1920-12-12
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worth Of goods. A syndicate for the
latter purpose is to be formed.
"How does Russia expect to pay for
these goods?" Mr.. Vanderlip was asked.
"Wen." he and, "the Bolsheviki
have about 900 600 900 rubles in gold
and bullion. They have platinum flax,
timber, pulp wood. oil! and oil products,
grain and S5O,000,000 worth of manga
nese ore ready for export. These are
some of the things they can give in
return for American goods"
| Contingent Upon Reopening Trade
/ Mr.. Vanderlip made 1t clear that his
contracts with the Soviet government
were contingent upon the opening Of
trade with Soviet Russia by the
United States.
! cat Baku they have lakes filled
with OIL ready for export" said Mr..
Vanderlip. "There are vast quantities
of grain flax and furs ready to be
taken out Of the country. The only
Ing necessaryrs to move them"
How about the reports that the
peasants rofuse to surrender their
grain to the Soviet government"
/ "These reports are fa.se," replied Mr..
, Vanderlip emphatically. THE peasants
are only too anxious to hand ever their
products to the government, and they
pay their taxes, too. OF course, the
cities are a little hungry, but that is
because it is difficult to get supplies
from the interior of the country to the
cities"
"ln that case how can they be got out
of the country?" was the next question.
"Well, the thing to do is to go and
get them out" Mr.. Vanderip replied.
1--WE must 60 there and put the rail-
roads in shape"
What are the conditions under
which you are going to develop your
concession?" Mr.. Vanderip was asked
care you going to work on the Soviet
or the American plan?'
"Well, they at first wishe,i me to
work under Soviet regulations" he
replied. II absolutely refused After
three days negotiations | asked for
my passports. Lenine then ca led
meeting of the Extraordinary Eco
uomic Council and later telephoned
to the otnca.s of the latter Let VAN
dcrlip have what he wants So we
are able to conduct our buainess on
the American plan, with regular
American methods Of management and
we can t. our labor from. China,
Cole or anywhere o.sc.
Il myself wrote IN paragraph in
the contract providing for absolute
prohibition. Russia is dry all over
a., you know. | knnw this very we'll
because when | fell i'll with bad
cold IN Moscow and had to get bottle
o. liquor it was absolutely impossible
for me to get it. lenine, Lcshama,
officials tried desperately to get it for
me but couldn't un.il the whole sit
uation became huge joke"
"How would the DolshevilSl reconcile
the concessions they gave you and
which you say they are willing to
give to others with the principles of
the Soviet system?" Mr.. Vanderbilt
was asked.
"Well, all I know is that within the
last thirty days, and while I was IN
London, they promulgated series Of
laws making possible the granting Of
concessions such as mine," was Mr.
Vanderlip's reply. "All I know is that
Communism is on the decline and that
there is not single one of the laws
passed three years ago now on tho
statute books. The Bolshcvik are
changing from left to right, and in two
more years there will not be vestigc
in the naturalization of mines, rail
wars. oils and public utilities"
'The Russian people are working out
their own Destiny" said Mr. Vanderlip,
"and they will not allow any foreign
interference in their affairs. They
have four million men under arms.
myself reviewed a regiment Of shock
troops, and | never saw healthier or
more enthusiastic body of men. Trotzky
is wonderful organizer and man Of
great executive ability, but he is not a
military genius. The parade was held
in my honor
81 was sorry to see American rifles
and uniforms. The Russians have
fought successfully America. England,
France and Japan. They have now fin
lshed with Wrangel and with the Poles,
and are driving the Japs into the sea
I understand Chta was taken sixty
days ago"
; Mr.. Vanderlp added at this point
that the concession he has obtained
, from the Bolsheviki is still under
japanese military control and that as
a protest against his deal with Leninc
Il squadron Of japanese warsh ps made
a hostile demonstration off the Kan