New-York tribune., 1920-11-19

put to him by the committees lawyer,
and had decided to do some qdizzing
and prodding on his own account
Time and again he would fare up,
his face flushed with anger, pound on
the desk before him and insist on a
lair deal" He steadfastly avoided
giving direct answers Put to him by
untermyer, and instead insisted on
making statements and hurting ques-
tions at the committee'S counsel. The
hearing was on several occasions
brought to a halt while the two in
dulged in bitter personalities, Mr.. Un-
termyer charging that the Mayor was
attempting to block the Proceedings by
cheapness and slurs.
"We have had nothing dsorderly in
these proceedings" remarked Mr. I'm
ternyere, until the Mayor got on the
stand. ! propose, If the Mayor con-
tinues his tactics, h be held in con-
TENT"
Until" interrupted tie Mayor, "you
tried to impute wrong to the Mayor,
which you are not ..oing to get away
with"
Hylan's Talk Called Bunk
Mr.. Untermyer repeatedly told the
Mayor he was talking bunk; that he
ought to shut up; that he was not act
ing ke a nan who had ever been on
the bench; that e was a garrulous
gentleman, and making speeches to
play to the galleries.
He intimated that the Mayor knew
more about John T. Hettrick, head of
the alleged "Code of Practice" ring of
contractors, than he was willing to ad-
nit, and charged hin. with concealing
facts on his alleged acquaintance with
Brindell.
The Mayor retorted that Mr.. Inter
myer was attacking him for political
purposes, that he WAS giving the pub
lie false impression of his actions
that Mr- Untermyer was in the pay Of
the Interborough and had had secret
conferences with the Interborough's
attorneys.
The trouble began when Mr.. Inter
myer began questioning the Mayor re.
garding the letter of February 8 which
he sent to the Board of Education and
to members of the Board of Estimate
favoring the use of limestone instead
of terra Gotta in public school work
The letter had been prepared by Het-
trick, according to the testimony, at
the Mayors directicS. Mr.. Untermyer
questioned the Mayor about an inclc
sure, understood 10 have accompanied
the letter. The Mayor said he could
not find any other communications in
reference to the matter.
The Mayor said he passed the letter
along for the information of the school
heads 4 want to make statement
to the board,' he added. Il am not
goin. 40 let lou put me in a false po
sition.
Wants O'Brien Questioned
"I want you to call Corporation
Counsel OBrien and Grover Whalen to
the stand and want them to tell what
Mr.. Untermyer said to them in the
enteroom."
Untermyer remarked that the Mayor
was extremely garru!ous for govern
ment oa.cer, aiding; I'VE have other
business than YOU. You are only incl
dental here"
The Mayor grew visibly uneasy and
red in the face. He fdgeted in his
chair, and when asked if he had written
the Iettrick letter under instructions
burst out: II obeyed nobody's instruc-
tions Nobody's!" accompanying his
shouting with q loud bang on the desk.
=. an not going to let ) GU create any
false Impressions"
" hen MIR. Untermyer insisted that
the Mayor answer his questions the
Mayor remarked, II know something
ABOUT tricky questions"
~ es, and ! know something about
trlc1y Mayors" came back Untermyer.
ssr. Untermyer appealed to the
lockwood committee, saying, Did you
ever see such an unruly witness" ?"
Warned of Spcechmaking
Chairman LOCKWOOD urged the May
or 10 answer questions, and not make
Speeches.
Mr. Untermyer then went on with
the questioning.
Q.-You have told US you don't
know Hettrick. Do you know Brin-
deli?
A.-lve had him pointed out to me.
Q.-Is that the only way you ever
knew Brindell?
Awe never had any business re-
lations with Brindell.
Q.-Have you never had interviews
with him? Al may have. He may
have come before the Board of Esti-
mate.
Q.-Oh, now, Mr.. Mayor A
Anything you have got on me-any-
thing give 1T out, and give it out
quick! THE Mayor was furnishing the
desk again)
Owe onl, want the truth
A.-It's the last thing you want.
Owe want to learn Aft
you've got anything, prove it and shut
up--
Mr. Untermyer-Now. Mr.. Chair
The Mayor--I intend to tell you lot
of things. I'm going to show up your
lnterborough business.
Q.-So far you have not made one
answer to one question. A.-Yes, and
know something about tricky ques-
tions, too.
Hylan Saw Brindell
Q.-Yes, and l know something
about tricky men. Al think you do
Q.-Now, about Brindell Your meet
ings with him have been within a year,
A-Well, l am inclined to think that
1t is in the neighborhood, we'll, within
the last two years.
Q.-You have had frequent inter-
views with him? Al have not had
frequent interviews with him.
Q.-You say you have not had fire.
quent interviews; how many have you
had? What do you call frequent? A
| don't remember having had any par
ticular interview with Mr.. Brindell.
Q.-Now, as l understand, you have
had no interviews A.-You don't
understand anything of the kind.
said no particular interview.
Q.-Well, long, short or Indifferent,
how many interviews have you had
with him Ale may have called
Q.-l don't care for what may have
bcen- A. or been before the
Board of Estimate; l may have met
hlm on pub.lc occasions at different