The Tulsa star. [volume] (Tulsa, Okla.) 1913-1921, 1920-10-23
CONVENTION HALL DEBATE
a VOICE FROM THE AUDIENCE
Continued from page 4

iiSf llI DlSStl lilt
less he is bothered, the less he is
punished mentally for his deed and
neither do we find il in estate. Why
some of the biggest libertines, some
OF the greatest debauches in the
world are millionaireS while some
of the best people in all the world
live in pemry and want. Now, if
yoh can think of a government
whose God is just, whose rule is
just, and you dare not say God is
anything but just, then, if there is
no way of administering punish
ment equitably in this life and ii
must be equitable or God would be
unjust, then there is the argument
for ftutre punishment from the
standpoint of common sense and
the Bible to justify the idea OF fu-
ture puniShment-the idea of hell |
said that RulSsellism was serving the
devil and not God for the very rea-
son that il is saying to man, there
is no hell--yiu are not immortal
YOU die as the horse dies and the
Scriptures have been cited showing
that there is no difference iii man
and beast; that man has no pre-
worthy opponent thought he said so
much bit it is true that it relates to
this life when one dies. He is like
the beast so far as life is concerned
but we have too much Bible and
too much common sense ii admit
there no difference between man
and beast with reference to future
life (Applau.e). Now, you let the
average man believe that there is
no place of punishment for him-no
punishment for him despite what
nc does and you talk about Tulsa
being "lIell's Half Acre" and it will
become "Eells Whole Acre." you
talk about murders and killing and
everything else that goes on in Tul-
sa and | confess TO you that if you
can get the people of Tulsa to sub
stitute The teachings of the Inter
national Bible Students ASsocia-
ton, that there is no hell and no
punishment and YOU will make Tul-
81 at once a place unfit to live in
II is fact that the idea of hell, the
idea of punishment is the greatest
restraint on mas. We have not yet
got TO the place where we are will
ing to do right just because it is
right. Lots of us are doing right
though, but we are doing it because
we recognize there is to be a reck-
omng. Every man must give an ac-
count to God for the deeds done in
the body and because we look for
ward to that reckoning because we
look forward to the time when we
must meet Judge that cannot be
bribed-we shall meet a Judge who
will be absolutely fair-when we
meet Judge who administers JUS
tiCe impartially, because we look
forward TO that time we are care
ful about what we are doing now.
! guess ! had better save this until
come back, but | will START on il
now.
The trouble with RuSSelliSm is
they left out three agencies-they
forgot man is free. They seem TO
have overlooked il and because he
Is free, he is responsible. If he is
responsible, he must give an ac-
count to somebody somewhere but
they don't take into consideration
his account and his freedom and
therefore they look over the reSpOn-
sibility and they say, no matter how
degrading, no matter how fallen, no
matter how mean, he is going to
have another chance and he is 60
ing to get that in the resurrection.
He is resurrected. The word itself
means that the thing that goes down
must come UP but they say that thing
that goes down, stays and something
else come Sp. (Applaue)
(And now, at this time the Rev jobs
son having concluded his remarks
for the time, the following proceed
ings are had)
MIR. 'SMITHERMAN: Mr.. Hill will
now take twenty minutes for rebut-
tai. (Applause)
MIR. HILL: / don't need twenty
ninuteS-abOut five minutes will do
me. ! am all out of fiX-l have moth
ing TO answer and don't want to 90
INTO my conclusion. ! want to say
with all earnestness that there is no
wonder the poor people are in such
gross darkness concerning Gods
plan. when our best educated col
lege ministers have so little of the
light of Gods great plan. (Ap-
plause) Now, | say this in all can
dor and as big broad minded
licllu, heN. JOnIlSOn is IN earnest
but he is very unfortunate wish to
say before God and you people as
not having a single idea of Gods
great knowledge and the plas of sal
vation. Why do say that? ! used
TO be the same way, hut by the
grace of God, ! am permitted to see
His plan and tell His truth. Now,
] don't want to say anything more
than-if we had time, just week
end 10 argue on this matter, il
woud be very beautiful; there are a
whole lots of things | would like to
talk to him about but we are dis
cussisg the great plan of Salvation
In the first place, he called your at
tention to Scripture in Mary 16, |