New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1920-07-31
Sim Feiners
In World
Premier Told
Carson and Duke of North
cumberland, as Speakers
for Unionists, Warn That
Ruin of Britain Is Aim
Alliance Made i'm 1919
Bolshevism and German
Revenge Said to Have an
Active Part in Conspiracy

LONDON. July 80 (By The Associ-
ated Press).-An official report con-
corning the reception Thursday by Pre-
mier Lloyd George of deputation Of
Unienst peers and members of the
House of Commons for discussion of
the subject Of Ireland. shows that the
chief spokesman of the deputation were
the Duke of Northumberland and Sir
Edward Carson. the Unionist leader,
both Of whom emphasized that the Sim
F6in was part Of great worldwide
conspiracy in which Bolshevism and
German revenge were playing an &C
tive part. aiming at the destruction of
Great Britain.
The Duke of Northumberland alluded
to an alliance alleged to, have been
formed at the beginning of 1919 be-
tween the Sim Fem and Bolsheviki
through DR.. Patrick McCartan, the Sim
Fem Ambassador" to the United States,
and declared that the program of the
Sim Fem was virtually identical with
the program propounded by the Third
lnternationale.
Carson Blames Walsh
Sir Edward Carson elaborated his
theme of the existence in the United
States and other parts of the world of
propaganda bureaus representing the
discontentcd peoples of Egypt, India
and Ireland. He argued that it was
from the time that Frank P. Walsh,
"of the Indian propaganda bureau in
America came to Ireland last year
that the Sim Fem became unmanag-
able in conspiracy, which he said
would eventually beat the British gov
eminent.
Sir Edward quoted from speeches of
Judge Daniel +. Cohalan, of New York,
to support his arguments. He referred
to the existence of a German propagan-
Ga bureau in Zurich to foment Irish
discomfort, and declared that Germany
never would abandon her struggle for
revenge.
He also spoke disdainfully of the
principle of self determination being
applied to all small nations without
consideration of the interests of larger
nations.
Premier Lloyd George, in replying,
expressed disappointment that the
deputation had failed to suggest pos
sible remedies for the situation in Ire
land. He agreed there was Bolsheviki
support behind Anti British activities
surprised if there also was Bolshcvik
money. But" he, added, 1--WE should
make mistake if we came to the con-
cluslon that the Sim Fem is purely a
Boishevlk conspiracy against Great
Britain
Scarcity of Men Emphasized
The Premier touched at length upon
the difficulty of finding the necessary
troops and officers for tire carrying out
OF a military policy in ireland under
conditions worse and more trying to
mems nerves than the late war"
I'VE are doing our best" the Pre-
mler continued, but we want recruits.
We want officers to lead and to guide.
We want thousand to put down this
conspiracy"
Mi. Lloyd George said that what he
should have liked to have had was a
discussion with those who are anxious
to resto law and order in ireland
as to ways and means and as to what
assistance they could render. Then. hay
ing alluded to the drastic nature of the
governments coming bill and the diff
1lculty Of seeing that criminals are
brought to justice, the Premier empha-
sized the necessity of having public
opinion behind any effective law.
That" he said, you can do by
making it clear that this is not YOUR
sole remedy or your last word"
Mr.. Lloyd George concluded by con-
tending that there was need for side
by-side policy for enforcing the law
and for a policy of granting Ireland
any measure of liberty and self-gov-
eminent consistent with the supremacy
and security of the United Kingdom
He especially emphasized the neces-
sity Of getting the vast mass of Brit
ish opinion, especially the working
class opinion, behind the governments
policy, declaring, Il do not believe you
can govern Ireland under any other
conditions"