Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1920-11-30
Boiling, AT PROBE,
DENIES CHARGES
Declares Assertion He Took
Money to Influence Ship
Contracts False
TELLS OF SANDS DEALS
by the Associated Press

Ing the disposition of contracts for ma
chinery by the United States shipping
board, as charged by Tucker X. Sands.
former Washington banker, coupled
with a request that all of his business
transactions with Sands be Investigated
both for my own and my family,s
sake'-was made before the Walsh
congressional committee here today by
r. w. Boiling, President Wilson's
brother In law, and now assistant
treasurer of the division of operations
In the shipping board.
In his general denial, Mr.. Boiling
said he had nothing to do with award
ing contracts or making payments in
the shipping board, that no one in the
shipping board, Emergency Fleet Cor
poration, or any outside organization
had approached him in connection with
contracts or financing. and that no ap-
pointments were made through him for
the shipping board 'or Emergency Fleet
Corporation. He gave his age as forty
one.
Mr.. Boiling told Of business associa-
tons with Sands dating back to 1916
and earlier years, out of which grew
several financial transactions. He told
the committee that his personal rec
ords were all available to its inspection.
Sands has testified that he received
SAC, 900 from the Downey Shipbuilding
Corporation for representing it be-
fore the board, out of which he paid
money to Mr.. Boiling.
Mr.. Boiling said that after banking
with the institution which Sands was
connected with for several years. he
had taken q contract in 1915, when he
was in the building business with
partner named Todd to build house for
the banker, and in making settlement
for its costs with Mr.. and Mrs. Sands
had forgone any profits because of tie
objection by the Sands to charge for
extras.
Received Sands Note
''I volunteered to cancel my share
of this charge, which figure (S600)
represented most of the profit l had
expected to make on the entire trans
action" Mr.. Boiling said in his state
ment, because of their unpleasant at
titude. Mr. Sands agreed to this set
Element and gave me his note for $4,000,
which l Endorsed and discounted.
''However. short while afterward
Mr., Sands told me that he did not want
me to lose any of my commissions for
building the house, and that he had ac-
cepted this reduction only because his
wife was very much worried that the
house should have cost more than they
had originally planned, and that he in
tended paying me the additional $500
above referred to.
Early in 1918 Mr.. Sands sent a Mr..
Cranor to see me in regard to some
machinery, which was to be used in
connection with the construction Of
vessels. Mr.. Cranor told me that the
machinery in question was bending
rolls and was to have been shipped to
his company from the factory, but at
the last minute some other company
succeeded in having the order changed,
and that this machinery would be di-
verted to them, that a great injustice
was being done to his, Mr.. Cranor's $
company.
II knew nothing about the construc-
tion division, so in the presence of Mr..
Cranor l called up Lester Sisler, who
was then secretary of the shipping
board, and explained the matter TO him.
He said he would look into it. and sub
sequently told me that he found upon
inquiry that the rolls had been promised
to Mr.. Cranor's company and would be
shipped to them.
Declined to Accept Fee
"a short time after this Mr.. Sands
told me that he had made, or would
make, $1,000 in connection with this
trapsaction-though he now states he
has no recollection of the matter-and
that he was going to take care of me. :
told him / would accept nothing. He
then mentioned the 5000 which he still
owed me in connection with the changes
made In his house, saying that he had
not forgotten 1t, and would pay it,
Il gave no thought as to what Mr..
sands relationship was to the princi-
pal, but looked upon him as the vice
president Of a large bank, and n man
who was justly indebted. / therefore
told him that l would be glad to have
him pay what he owed me, but that il
could in no way be connected with fees
or commissions involving government
work-and this he clearly understood.
Upon my request he paid me subse-
guently the $500 as follows: February
is, 1913, $500; June 26, 1915 $500,
and August 8, 1913, 500. l have no
knowledge of where this money paid me
by Mr.. Sands came from.
''Mr. Sands also made me a loan of
$500 on May 81, 1918, for which |
gave him my note. This was repaid by
me to him July Il. 1919, with interest,
at which time Mr.. Sands said he was
unable to find my note, however. l
tod him I would ike to have my can
celed check bearing his Endorsement.
This represents every cent Mr.. Sands
nus pau ule SluCc beCeulUtf Ol, lJl {.
Tells Of Threatening Letters
"Of the $40 900 which Mr.. Sands
says was paid for procuring contracts
never heard until It was mentioned
In anonymous letters, coupled with
threats that unless something was done
to stop the proceedings Of the Depart.
ment of Justice against Mr.. Sands, that
my name would be brought into II, Upon
the receipt OF these letters. ] person =
ment OF Justice, requesting that an
Investigation be made Of my traRsac-
tions with Mr.. Sands.
81 feel that il Is unnecessary for me
to say that l never, by word or deed,
tried In any way TO assist the Provi
dence Engineering Corporation or any
other company, to procure contract.
Regarding the testimony given be-
fore the committee by Benjamin +.
Fuller, who has been indicted for
forging and uttering and sentenced To
the penitentiary for four years, in which
be states that Mr. Sands gave me IA
check In his presence, beg to say
that his statement is absolutely and un-
aualihedly false. !. therefore, most
gely request the committee to require
Sands to Immediately produce all
his checks made to me since Jan
airy 1. 1918"
Later, he testified that he was II
Jartner In brokerage firm with +, 4.
Connolly and ii. w. Roberts and that
they made an agreement with Sands TO
pay him commission to procure Il
eAh nOn lam Cor firm Tho n 10