The New York herald. [volume] (New York, N.Y.) 1920-1924, 1920-12-30
GIANTS MAKE NEW
BID FOR HORNSBY
Offer 100000 and Four Play
ers, but Fail to Get st.
Louis Star.
CARDS DEMAND FRISCH
Then New York Officials Be-
come Historical and the
Deal Dies.
CARDS DEMAND FRISCH
by DANIEL.

ny DANiELs
That the Giants some days ago had
offered 5000, 900 in cash and four play
crs for Rogers Hornsby, the second base
man. and that the Cardinals had count
cred with demand that Frank Frisch
be added was the statement made yes
terday by Magistrate Francis X. Nc
Quade. treasurer of the New York club.
THE proposition which we made to
the st. Louis team for Hornsby was far
too liberal, and when the reply asking
that Frisch be thrown into the deal came
we had fine laugh" said Mr.. McQuade.
As matter of fact John McGraw
would not trade Frisch for Hornsby
even We need a second baseman badly.
and in consequence we are willing to
make an offer which under ordinary con-
ditons would seem out of reason. But
some of the other clubs in the league
seem to believe that the New York team
is real come-on and perpetual Santa
Claus.
mot so many days ago. when it be-
came apparent that Branch hickey was
willing to talk business regarding
Hornsby, and had dropped the slogan
that the infielder was not to be disposed
Of, We had a conference and decided to
make new offer for the player. Charles
Stoneham then telegraphed to Samuel
Breadon. president of the st. Louis
team, offering 100000 and four men.
Who were named. for Hornsby. AS the
deal is off there would be no sense in
telling whom we wanted to send along
20 the Cardinals, but they are pretty
good ball players.
This Killed the Deal.
"Breadon replied that if we would add
Frisch to the list Of players offered we
could communicate with Branch Hickey.
Rather kind of him. wasn't it? This
ridiculous proposition killed further ne
gotiations. and reply of proper We
hemence was despatched to Breadon."
II the matter of Hornsby, the ST.
Louis club seems to be playing fast and
loose with the Giants. Last summer Nc
Graw thrice offered $500 in cash for
the second baseman. and thrice Hickey
Initiated Caesar and declined 'the kingly
crown" Hornsby was not to leave the
Cardinals under any circumstances, an
nounced Hickey in phrases vigorous and
stentorian. and he complained that every
time he came to this city an attempt was
made to grab his star ball player from
him.
But at the recent National League
meeting in this city Hickey changed his
tune. He approached McGraw with n
query Is to whether the New York club
was willing to renew its original offer
for the hard hitting inhelder. At that
time McGraw was waiting for reply
from Garry Hermann concerning an
offer of $50, 900 and catcher for 1einie
Groh. Hermann had received the offer
with enthusiasm, and McGraw felt that
the chances of landing Groh were excel
lent. So he informed Hickey that the
Giants no longer were Interested in
Hornsby on the same financial basis as
they had been interested last summer
Hickey also approached the Cincin-
natl club In regard to Hornsby. but the
Reds could not do business with him.
In fact, the New York club is the only
outfit in the league which Is in a fnan-
cial position to acquire Hornsby, and IL
the fnflelder leaves the Cardinals he will
come to the Giants and to no other club
Negotiations for Groh Jagged for n
willie after Pat Moran had tried 10 dis
Srade Hermann from talking any fur
thor on that topic with McGraw. But
tho money looked big to Garry and he
came back with q proposition which in
volved the Braves and called for the
transfer of Maranville to the Reds That
seemed to kill the Groh DEAL and the
New York club struck out anew in the
direction of Hornsby.
The new offer of 100000 and four
PidscTS 10 even Il DetLeT one tnan the
original straight cash proposition OF
ss5o,ooo. as according to Magistrate Nc
ouade the four players named would
bring more than $4,000 in the market
and good men are not for sale. II seems.
= Await Cable From Cuba.
Joseph O'Brien, secretary of tho
Giants. said that he awaited n cable
from Cuba on an important deal, which
was regarded as a reference to the
Croh affair. But when Magistrate Nc
Quade was asked about the Groh dicker
he declared that the chances of getting
the Red third baseman did not look
bright.
I'VE thought that we had Groh after
the offer of $4,000 and a catcher, ["
said Mr.. McQuade, But then Hermann
began to make all sorts OF involved
propositions. II we had given him what
he asked the price of Groh would have
been brought up to something like
s370, 900. And Heinie certainly is not
worth anything like that sum. Things
are simmering along. The fans may
rest assured that the Giants will open
the season with n great club and will be
right In the thick OF the light from the
opening day.
When tho Magistrate was asked about
the report that McGraw had offered
$4,000 to Brooklyn for RUDE Vanguard
he replied, II have seen that story, with
varying sums. in many papers. But II
Is not true. McGraw would not have
Vanguard back. Marquard came to Nc
Graw before the RUDE was traded for
4. Ruether and asked John TO make q
proposition for his release to Charley
Ebbets. But McGraw informed him that
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