The Birmingham age-herald., 1920-11-21
BROTHER -IN-LAW OF PRESIDENT IS
 NAMED BY SANDS
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NCOmIlnue0 IFOfn GABt OAEy would get his part of the fee when we got the money"
 Well" MT. Walsh asked, reading from the photostat. The got no money, how came it you said in this document which you were asked to sign, It was always understood by MT. Boiling and among us that Mir. Boiling was to re- ceive $6,250 from the proceeds of the discount of the notes, but for some req son he became worried and would not accent the balance of the $e,250 still due. l had in the meantime advanced to him in different sums approximate ly $1,S00."
 "That is correct" Sands replied.
 SAYS IT WAS CORRECT
 Replying to Chairman Walsh's ques- tions as to which of his statements was correct, Sands said, What I put in there is correct"
 How did you give that $1,So0?'
 q gave it as a loan up to that time"
 Did you let MT. Sisler have any money that way?' MT. Walsh shot back at the witness.
 q let MT. Sis1er have-I loaned one of his companies that he was in. think, $5.000 and think I gave him about $5,000-I cannot say exactly
 He said if was a gravel company in which Mir. Sisler was interested in and added that he took his notes for that q
 Did Mir Boiling ever repay you the s1,SO0 he borrowed from you?"
 q think he gave me back about $300."
 "He still owes you the balance. then?"
 "Yes, sir"
 "If you have no note or other evil dence of that loan. how are you going to collect it if he refuses to pay?"
 Well" Sands replied "I do not ever expect to collect it. I didn't expect to collect it when I loaned it. l thought he would be entitled to this as his part of the commission"
 Congressman Kelley asked the wit ness: "Was this sort of conspiracy be- tween you and Cranor to use Boiling in this transaction and you to keep the money, all of it?''
 "No, it was not intended to do that, the witness replied. Did Mir Boiling say that he could see inc nartiee who would let the contract2" DID NOT PROMISE
 "No, sir: no. Sands also said that Boiling did not say he would use his in- fluence.
 Now, here are two men in connection with the shipping board" MT. Kelly said. They are not, however, connected with the letting of contracts. You agreed to pay them one-fourth of this sum, $lO.- 700 apiece Now, I ask you, what were they to do?" Not s10.0oo- ,25O apiece" Sands said. "Fifteen thousand was to go to MT. Cranor''
 Now. what was your understanding with MT Boiling as to what he was to do?" Mir Kelley asked. "Mr Boiling was not to do anything further than help Mir. Sisler.' "What did you seek to blacken MT. Ceilings reputation for by making this statement?"
 'sWell, he got about s1,Soo.'' "You said he borrowed that from you. "Well, I put it as loan on my books I because I thought it would be better as loan until we got ready to repay it. 1 "That really was part of the trans action, wasn't it?" sYes. sir"
 "Did you not tell Mir Walsh it was not?''
 ''No, sir, did not say so." Then" MT Kelley continued, "he really did get $1S00 out of the money you ! obtained from the discount of the notes?
 "The first proceeds, yes, sir Sands 1 said.
 l "You swear to that absolutely, that MT Boiling got $lS0o out of the money yot received from discounting the first note?' l ''Yes, sir.'
 ! FIJI DUNN AS JUAN i Sands then said he had put 1t dowr as a loan because it would look better land not because it was different. Sands said he had paid Cranor $S,OOO | Did you pay MT. Sisler?" Mir. Kelley asked.
 l T think I loaned him s7,5oo, and think 1 I paid him 5000. l ''What do you mean by saving yor loaned him five and paid him five?" 1 1T paid him five, around about i've, 1T money, and then I loaned him 1 s'Out of the proceeds of this first note?"
 l q don't know about the proceeds o the first note. I think I let him have about 5000 of the proceeds of the frs note Then loaned him for his com
 pany 5000 more. He paid me $50 back
 we agreed that if we got the money he would get his. too.' l The witness said he still had Sisier' note for $5, ,OO0 on which $4,50O was sttl I due, and that he could produce it to th' committed | MT. Kelley asked Sands if MT. Boiling ! refusal to help him with the Distrie attorney at Washington had anythins to do with Sands bringing him into thu case. s | No, sir,~ Sands said. T really regre very much bringing him in. because, I l I may use the expression, l am reai' devoted to him. I hated above every thing to bring him in, more than I cal say. I am very fond of him today"