Evening star., 1920-11-21
SANDS ACCUSES BOILING
nv SHIP BRLBE CHARGE
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your rooms at the Willard Hotel?
Chairman Walsh inquired
Yes, sir" Sands replied.
And you were to use your influence
with these two gentlemen"
Il simply introduced them, that's
all; l simply brought the parties to-
|gether."
| Tells of Loan of 100000.
What were you to get money for
this introduction?"
We'll. 1 supposed-that is what I
thought at the time"
That is what you thought"
Yes. sir
He said Mr.. Downey insisted" that
the "ostensible consideration for
these notes should be for the services
Of Sands in procuring a loan for
Downey."
He said he did procure loan for
Downey amounting to 100000. which
he said was very favorable for the
bank-that it was to be left on de-
posit."
Sands testified that in all he re-
, ceived, in the form of notes from
Downey. $4,000. Asked why he did
not get the balance of the $4,000 he
alleged was promised him, he said Mr..
Downey raised such a kick about it
that I rebated-well. gave him back
one note and agreed to rebate $5.OOO
more. 4
Sands was asked, How much money
did Mr.. Boiling get as the result OF the
-T do not think Mr.. Boiling got any
Of it." Sands said.
why didn't he get it?'
Because he would not take it."
Sands replied.
Thinks He Promised.
And he never knew that he was
to get it?' Mr.. Walsh asked.
We'll, I suppose he expected to get
it,
"You say now the witness was
nans1 as,ssa; that -. he did not get any
Il do not think he got any of that"
Sands said
"And did you not promise him any?"
II think I promised him. sure, that
he would get his part Of the fee when
We'll" Mr.. walsh asked. reading
from the photostat. "if he got no money.
how came it you said in this document
which you were asked to sign. 1t was
always understood by Mr.. Boiling and
among us, that Mr.. Boiling was to re-
discount of the notes. but for some rea-
son he became worried and would not
accept the balance of the $3.50 still
due. I had, in the meantime, advanced
to him in different sums approximate
ly $1,000"
says He Loaned $500.
The witness has testified that he
s1oaned Mr.. Boiling $1,000"
RepIying to Chairman Walsh's ques-
tions as to which of his statements was
correct, Sands said:
what put in there is correct"
/ How did you give him that $4,000"
81 gave him as loan up ono to that time
about $3.50 or maybe $1,000.
'Dfd you let Mr.. Sisler have any
money that way?" Mr.. Walsh shot back
at the witness.
Il let Mr.. Sisler have-I loaned one
of his companies that he was In. l
think. 5000. and 1 think I gave him
about $1,000 cannot say exactly"
He said it was gravel company in
which Mr.. Sisler was interested
and added that he took his note for
that"
81, 800 he borrowed from you?"
II think he gave me back about
$500"
HE still owes you the balance.
them
Yes, sir"
aDon,t Expect to Collect"
"If you have no note or other evil
dence of that loan, how are you go
ing to collect it IL he refuses to pay?"
"weli," Sands replied, Il do not ever
expect to collect it. ! didn't expect to
he would be entitled to that as his
part of the commission.
Representative Kelley asked the
witness: WAS this sort of con-
! spiracy between you and cranor to
| You to keep the money, all Of it?"
| ..No, it was not intended to do
/, that" the witness replied.
"Did Mr.. Boiling say that he would
see the parties VINO would let the
| contract"'
sands also said that Boiling did not
| saw he would use his influence. and
when asked by Mr.. Kelley why he
| was to give him part Of the money
| IL he was not going to perform any
| service Sands replied:
well, he and Mr.. Sisler worked to-
gether."
nection with the Shipping Board"
Mr. Kelley said. They are not. how
] aver. connected WIN tNo ietllHS OF
contracts You agreed to pay them
| one fourth of this sum. $4,000 apiece.
Now, as you, what were they to do 2"
/ mot $1o.000-$6,250 apiece Sands
said "Fifteen thousand dollars was
to go to Mr.. Cranor."
boiling Was to Help, He Says.
"Now, what was your understand
| In, with Mr. Boiling as to what he
was to dor Mr.. Kelley asked.
| Mr.. Boiling was not to do any
thing any further than to help with
Mr.. Sisler."
what did you seek to blacken Mr..
Rolling's reputation for. by consent
ing to this statement in this docu
| nent?" Mr.. Kelley asked.
| .Well, he got about $1,800."
| .You said he borrowed th-, from
| "Well. I put it as loan on my
books, because I thought it would be
better as a loan until we got ready
to repay It."
"But it really was part of this
| transaction, wasn't it?''
| Yes, sir" Sands replied.
| Did you not tell Mr.. Walsh It was
not?"
mo. sir. did not say So"
| Then" Mr.. Kelley continued. che
really did get $500 cut of the money