Great Falls daily tribune. [volume] (Great Falls, Mont.) 1895-1921, 1920-11-25
WITHDRAW ARMY
# POWER LOST,
SAYS V|sCOUN7'
Until Divers Opinions
Composed Settlement
of Row Is Hopeless.
Empire Should Outline
Minima for Herself in
Submitting Bill.

London. Nov. 24-{By The Associat-
ed Press. THE debate in the house Of
lords on Irish home rule Wednesday
night was made memorable by a notable
appeal from Tiscount Grey, former sec
retary for foreign affairs to the govern
ment for an eleventh hour attempt by
generosity to Ireland to fashion the
bill into an acceptable measure.
In speech. displaying no resentment
and taking full account Of the govern
ment's extreme difficulties in Ireland.
he urged that unless the government
was able to secure effective control In
Ireland it would be better to withdraw
all the armed forces and leave Ireland
to find her own salvation.
Diverse Opinions.
Yiscount Grey declared the real
cause of failure in obtaining settle
ment was the differences Of opinion in
Ireland itself. Until these differences
were composed, he asserted. there could
be no settlement and the bill before the
lords, to put it mildly. had not made the
differences less. 1t had conciliated
Ulster, Viscount Grey said. but had
brought the southern Unionists and
Nationaiists into opposition.
Lord Grey argued that it would have
been better had the government. in
stead of preparing detailed bill start
ed by laying down on broad lines the
limits within which Ireland could have
complete autonomy and the minima
which England must reserve for the
security and safety, not only of herself.
but of Ireland
Outlines Minima.
He outlined this minifna, first, placing
Ireland in precisely the same position.
with regard to foreign affairs as the
great self governing domiaions. and with
the same right to be consulted about
coumerciai treaties and. second. only one
army in these two islands. He would
not. however. contemplate the mainte
nance of any imperial troops in Ireland
after home rule had passed. unless Ire
land desired it,
II am perfectly certain. and the his
tory of war shows it, that unless there
is only one navy and one naval authority,
neither Ireland nor Great Britain could
be defended" Lord Grey said. "That
must be without qualification. What
ever dominion home rule might mean,
We must from the beginning have no am
biguity on this question"
Naval Authority .s-
With England and Ireland to close
together and under modern conditions
u ANA ines, nS suuAiAUCI.
it was inconsistent with the safety of
either country that there should be til
yided naval authority He admitted that
after what had happened in ireland in the
last few weeks he could hardly advo-
rate as a practicable course. as he did
that Ireland should be left to
say what form of government she de-
sired. But the time might come when
the government would have to consider
hat method of procedure again.
He would have it clearly understood
IN ireland that Great Britain could not
20 on indefinitely being manuevered into
The position of either eoercing National
st Ireland or eoercing Ulster. and the
greatest lever the government could
bring to bear to secure settlement
would be to make it perfectly clear that
he ultimate responsibility for he gov
srnment of Ireland rested with the
Irish people and that the government
,ould not continue indefinitely to govern
any part of Ireland By force.