The New York herald. [volume] (New York, N.Y.) 1920-1924, 1920-11-05

Brindell, but protested It was not
enough. Layman said.
When the Lockwood committee re-
sumed It's hearings at the morning
session Mr. Untermyer said 1t was diff
cult to get witnesses connected with the
building trades.
I'VE arc experiencing the greatest
difficulty" he said. I'm subpoenaing wit
nesses. Although II IS not summer, the
summer resorts outside of the State
seem to be very popular now, and al
though 1t is not winter, the winter re-
sorts, similarly located beyond the con-
fines of New York state. also seem to be
exeIting a strong call"
Witnesses named Chapman, Pike and
Taggart. all prominent business agents
and members of the executive committee
of the Building Trades Council were
not present, Mr. Untermyer announced.
and could not be found at their accus-
toned places or business
The bidding on the proposed new court
house was made the subject of a search
ing inquiry by Mr.. Untermyer. who drew
rom Henry Hanlein. a member of the
.ors' Association. the admission that a
circle OF nine contractors put in bids
after signing pact. Mr.. Haniein gave
their names as follows:
Henry Hanlein & Co.. David Miller 6
Co, James Gillies, Edwin Shuttleworth
& Co., Monahan Gu. Stone Company OF
Newark, N j.; H J. Horner of Newark,
N. j.: James McLaren. Rudolph Seus
and ]. j. Speer & Co.. Harrison, n. ].
Division of PROFITS.
Mr. Hanleia testified that two or three
meetings were held before the agreement
vas signed. and all arrangements vera
made for the division OF profits on the
job. including certain allotmen's to tho
association and TO individuals. among
whom was John T. Hcttrick. author Of
The insurance" code.
Tho agreement Hanlein said, was
drawn by Hettrick. Haniein said that
although the s2.372,oo0 limestone con-
tract was let In his name II really was
not his Job.
1T was Hottrick's, job" he said. Tie
wouldn't show any " w the figures or
anything. He kept - baffalofd-
"And what kind bf an animal were
your" asked Mr.. Urtcrmyer.
II guess / was the goat"
Hanlein turned out 10 be Il reluctant
witness. He appeared clustered several
times and repeatedly brushed his hand
across his face and mopped his fore
head. AT times he spoke so low that
Mr.. Untermyer pleaded with him to
talk louder.
The Greater New York Cut Stone
Contractors Association and the In
ternationaT Cut stone Association. Han
lein said, were for the purpose of bet
tering conditions in the trade.
Better prices, / suppose?" said Mr..
Cntermyer.
Yes" said Hanlein, "better prices"
Mr.. Untermyer observed that the
lettering conditions" meant 'elimin-
ating competition and running up
against the antitrust laws"
Building Would Cost s2O.OoO,O0O
Nine members OF the group of sixteen
contractors were interested In the court
house bids, Hanlein said. He said lie
did not think the county wanted the
court house after all, despite the fact
that 81, 600. 900 had been spent on archi-
tectural plans. At the present rate the
building. he said, would cost $50. 900, 900,
although the first estimates were for
s7.ooc, 900.
rs II not So" asked Mr.. Untermyer,
that with matched bids or no bids the
cost Is bound to 20 up?''
''No,I don't think that Is the trouble
Hadn't there been disputes between
the granite and limestone menu"
II don't know OF any"
Referring to the signed agreement
among the nine contractors, Mr.. Inter
myer asked Hanlein II II was not a
fact that Hettrick was to get a larger
percentage on the court house job.
Hanlein replied that It was proposed
TO set aside "a per cent. Of the profits,
out OF which one-half of one per cent.
was to be paid TO the Cut Stone AS
ISOLATION as dues Hettrick was TO get
one per cent. out of which he was to
pay three-eighths per cent. to man
named Hutchinson. "cut stone ex-
pert" who works In his office. The
remaining two per cent. was to go to
the Insurance fund"
Replying to questions about the in
surance plan. Hanlein said that there
were fifty members In the Cut Stone
Association and that the dues we're so
a year. Asked II they did not have
some other sort OF constitution. he
said he did not know OF any. but finally
admitted that percentage was paid
into the association. This percentage,
he said. was based upon the total busi-
ness done for the year.
isn't II true that some paid In and
others took out?' asked Mr.. Inter
myer.
mo. Every one paid In about one
per cent some more and some less"
Not All shared In Fronts.
Hanlein denied that all contractors
who had submitted bids for n piece OF
work shared n percentage OF tho profits,
even though they failed 10 get the con-
tract. He said that the contractors
sent IN signed statements or their busi-
ness TO John Davidson, secretary OF
the association, once a month.
Replying to questions as TO the method
of handling estimates on work. Hanlein
testified that estimates were sent TO the
association at the same time they were
eent 60 the customer. He denied that
there was n committee 10 examine the
estimates. lie said that his business
amounted TO about sf,500,000 year.
The association had no records tabu-
lated OF the total business OF its mem
berghip, he testified. Mr.. Untermycr APP
peared increduious and Haniefn modi-
fled his statement saying:
We'll, don't know OF any"
IIaniein said that twenty OF the fifty
members OF tho Cut Stone Association
had Joined Hettrick's organization after
a meeting at which the advantages OF
such a system were explained. The pur-
pose OF the plan. he admitted, was to
prevent members from figuring too low
on building ccSuacts. Competition