The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1920-10-09
~CARLYON
Bill means
BADROADS''

OkBW 8vV6uOO
that's Unanimous Opinion
Of Seattle Chapter OF
National Engineers
Editor The Star. AZ the time
Of the Everett Good Roads con-
vention you published n very
able editorial on the Carlyon
road bin. stating In this editorial
the need for facts rather than
opinions regarding the bill.
In the last analysis any GOOD
road question Is question OF
engineering. Therefore this asso-
cation has taken a very active
interest In tho Carlyon bill We
think that tho report OF our COM
mittse WI do much TO clear up
controversial points that have
come up In regard 10. tho bin
We hope your editorial policy
Wt11 allow you TO help us get
these facts before tho voters
Afyer = worry extensive tnvesti-
untion by COMMITTEES. and after
f,ll debate and discussion ut two
meetings the members OF the
chapter went on record ~ OPP
posed 10 the passage Of tho bin
~ : five to one vote
Engineer the country over are
among the foremost good road
advocates and the passage OF
The Cariyon bill would undoubt-
odly mean employment for many
q our members. Yet the scnti-
mont Of the members WAS over
vhelmingly against the passage
- The bill. mainly on the ground
that the bill In reality 10 . had
roads" measure IN that II II I'm
pcooible to build roads that viii
stand up under traffic when con-
otructed according to the inten-
nive plan made mandatory BY
he bill To build good roads
onkes time and thoro planning.
This II the deliberate concius-
: IN q men who have for years
I'm connected with al phases
- road work: disintercstcd. prac-
t1on1 men who look Mt this thing
1Spm just one point OF view. 1 o.
1he construction Of roads that
Win lAse Their conclusions can
~ b. controvcrtcd. tho state
Dents Of enthusizsts and profess
ntunAl food road boosters to the
oootzary.
Sincerely.
CHARLES A. NEwHALI.
Iresidenl Seattle Chapter. A. A. 4
SUMMARY OF ENGINEERING
cuNCLUsIoNs - brought out b,
onln1nlttes report and open debate.
~. It b possible for . road cor
o11cenr to hold up the highwa,
o1nnission and compel II to accep
- Jbwsaf bid even tho this bid va
o1Dposdingiy high A bfi worvaed 4
- tnfefssts II the public voul
1npo cpntAined the usual claus
uoe1fyhg that ths commission ha
- power 70 reject any bids IN =,
- q the Engineers estimate How
ovog. n ths commimian - dsnirss
90 legally safeguard this letting q
4 1e5ae&D b. proper wording Of III
e. ~ Tor bidn. there b nothing In IN
= ccmpelling u to adopt this SAT-
0&nrd
,1L The so. ooo. 900 sxpenditur
yruvided By the bin win not any VA
o1ar complete the 1878 miles Of pa,
~ contemplated by the bill. this 70
- following reasons:
!. This money can legally b .,
Don6ed only for surfacing or for a
Q4i5in8 certain specified roads q
yUAdy surfaced. II cannot DO spen
~ the acquiring Of right OF wa,
~ reaiignment for regarding. 70
bgtdges or for the preparing Of z.
oentiai engineering plans II Is In
poeoible to even estimate how grca
= sum In addition to the $40. 600. 90
WjlI Be needed to put the roadbed 4
o1ape for the surfacing.
:. The cost of road ssirfac,nR I
now fAr In excess Of the estimate
- which the mileage WAS calculate
~ those drafting up the bill. 70
Example. the cost Of cemens In ce
sain to Increase during the NEXT yea
and b now higher than at any tin,
~ years past. The cement peopl
lave no hesitation in saying ths
INC price will be higher than at pre-
eEt. they pointing to the fact ths
osment has not increased In propo
S5oE to other construction material
,. Experience has shown that
0r heavier and more costly tyne .
eoustruct5on Is required than wa
ne prnct5ce even two years ago.
would be the height OF folly TO buil
md SURVIVES In accord with specif
Qnttons that all engineers know 10 \
adequate for the traffic to be ca
hid
III. The bill provides that ever
short II to be made to complete N
psOgram within six years. Tn
Heans that the highway board wi
- rushed into letting contracts r,
oDrdle@ Of the Judgment Of q,
cheering experts. Gsemember tbs
euly one member out OF the five col
shutting the board Is an engineer.
Reorganization OF the board mi9f
Ave even this one engineer r,
peaced by a laynan. There Is notl
ang to cause the governor TO appoir
- engineer to the board except n
own 5udgmentD II is utter folly
Gpend large Sums Of the state fune
Without first providing the hiehwn
oommissoner with sufficient fune
- mako tho needed surveys and r
VISION Of grades and alignment tbs
~ essential before a lasting surfas
Gan BE- laid One of the most fr
quent causesi Of pavement failure
4ue TO settlement Of the sub-grad
this settlement being directly tracab
~ hasty work. and poor planning, Il
which the engineer 10 In NO way r