New-York tribune., 1919-02-15
''Crandmother'' Tells Sen
ate Committee $4,000
Men Would Be Adequate
Lenine Worse Than Gear
Aged Revolutionist Fears
Germany and Japan Will
Join TO Crush Her People
Neau York Tribune
WdsIlinOtOn Bureau

nOunced as CRIMINALS and TRAITORS 10
Russia the Soviet rulers.
Russia is destroyed she told
them. "We are naked. | am shamed.
We are mendicants now, we must ask
for everything. We have nothing.
confess and | assert that the Bolshe-
wiki have destroyed Russia, destroyed
and divided it. Russia will have to
fight for herself and to suffer for many
years unless we are helped. And we
are not guilty-our people are not
guilty"
AS word spread about the Capitol
that the Grandmother of the Russian
thirty-two years in prison and in exile
for her fight against the Car, who
had been revolutionist in the days
when revolution meant sacrifice and
not loot, was speaking, the great hear
ing room became filled. The friends
of the Bolsheviki who, with their note
books, have been SO CONSPICUOUS at the
hearings, sat glumly and found little
to write down.
Car Better Than Soviets
The white-haired woman of MANY
sorrows spoke for an hour almost with
out interruption, and then replied to
questions from the members of the
committee until it became evident that
her strength was failing, and thew
stopped reluctantly, with many oues-
tlons unasked. The Senators had heard
there had been kind Of conspiracy
to keep her opinion of the Bolsheviki
from reaching the American people.
"Who treated the people best" f"
the Soviets 2"
under the Gar" she said. "many
people needed almost everything. but
they could work, and they had food,
and many gained comforts. To-day
they need everything. They have not
food, and they cannot even work"
do you believe Lenine and Trotzky
are tools of Germany?' inquired SEN
ator Nelson.
II do not believe it," she declared,
and there was moments blank pause.
- know it," she almost shouted.
"ts the Bolshevik government a men
ace to Russia?" the Senator persisted.
1T is not. 1t has already destroyed
US. We are on the verge Off she
had to turn to friend for her word
"a precipice Of utter annihilation." ."
Freedom Already Destroyed
"Wil Bolshevism destroy freedom 90
ut has already done so. Already
we have no liberty, no press, no right
to speak, no universities, no schools.
Without help Russia will perish utter
~. But 1t will struggle and shed its
blood for many years"
Are these men worse than the
/ Czar?"
81 served thirty-two years in prison
and in exile to save Russia from the
Car, but I would serve thirty-two
years more to get him back if this is
to go on instead Certainly we prefer
Car to a Trotzky. We cannot en-
dure to struggle thirty years without
peace. And if we do suffer so it will
be the fault of our allies that they do
not help US"
Senator Sterling asked about the
withdrawal of Allied troops. She quail
flied her answers. The British and
French had helped establish Dictator
ship at Omsk, she said. Rus sia did not
want that, nor the Japanese She
feared an alliance between Japan and
Germany, in which Russia would be
crushed.
"The continuance of Bolshevism will
certainly lead to the domination OF
Russia by Germany" she said; "by
Germany and Japan. Those two neigh
bors will come and make Of Russia
their colonies. Both have already be
gun"
$4,000 Americans Enough
1t did not require great armies tC
save Russia, she insisted. If the Al
lies, especially, if America would senc
10000 men-"men who will fight anc
not stay in one place" she specified
and arms for the Russians, the thing
would be done. But million mer
would arouse distrust. Fifteen thou
sand at the right time would have pre-
vented Bolshevism.
The real Russians were greatly of
Tended by the plan for conference OF
Princes Islands, she said eve will
never sit at table with those traitors.
she declared, her voice trembling az
is nothing to them if Russia is ruined
If all her people are shot or hanged OF
starved, so long as they can rule They
have corrupted our army, corrupted oul
workers, corrupted our peasants-only
they want that in every place there
should be Soviet of criminals.'
Killed More Than Germans
Senator Stirling asked whether she
could say how many people had beer
killed under the Soviets.
ut is said that the war against
Germany killed only half as man\
people as have been killed in RusS9a
by the Soviets," she replied. "Onl,
half-all the men in all the countries
that have died fighting Germany! Ane
Russia has lost twice that many mer
and women. And the provinces about
Russia are thronged with refugees"
"As soon as Kerensky was over
thrown we saw all our hopes dashet
and made our prayers to our Allies
Everything was overthrown and We
had, instead Of one Car. two, Lenint
and Trotsky. They will destroy every
thing, nothing will be left to us bu,
to go back to a Gar again, and there
will remain u legend against freedom
unless we are helped
"And after Brest- -Litovsk we had il
Petrograd n mighty ruler-mighticl
! than Lenine and Trotsky He wa.
General Mirbach. the German. The,
did his bidding. He ordered them tt
arm the prisoners and disarm the arm,
and they did it, Then after all ou1
shops and factories were DESTROYED
and all our banks seized. and all WI
had was given to the Germans, W.
could not resist. They and the Bol
shevists had all the rifles.
And now everything is ruined w
have no factories, no shops, no banks
no schools, no press, no materials, n,
tools nothing. Especially we have n,
transportation. Help cannot get to us
You cannot save us unless you frs
help us to get our RAILWAYS restored