New-York tribune., 1919-09-13
Lansing Said
.ToHaye Called
The Treaty Bad
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..rview from getting 70 the newspapers
.san vas put in the record. For rea-
snns which were not explained. inter
S;sws which Mr.. Bulltt said he had
Nth the three other peace commits
s;nners--hc said he talked with all
four. except the President. after he
resigned-were not put into the record.
Il was said tonight that some of the
nsmocratic members OF the committee
- some way learned of the nature 81
" Bullitt's testimony in advance. ard
his was the reason they did not attend
.se meeting. Senator Hitchcock went
- swampscott last night. and Senator
swanson declined 20 comment.
Roth reservationists and "irrecon-
.;lahles" we're delighted tonight over
what they regarded as the most power
f,l hlow vet given the treaty If Sec
retarv Lansing thought the Americ
neople would reject this treaty if they
understood it. they pointed out. it
nearly determines that this is not
question which party loyalty would
compel man TO support if he did not
want to.
Thus the interview. if not repud-
.ted. they declare, will have effect on
hoth sides Of the chamber 1t will tend
on the Republican side to make "rrec-
oncilables' Of the strong reservations
lists and strong reservatlonists OF the
mild reservationists. On the Demo
cratic side it will break down, moro or
Iess. the party loyalty idea, with the
result that more Democratic Senators
will vote for reservations and even
amendments.
Both sides privately concede that
reservations are certain. but to-day's
testimony. if 1t stands. may easily put
over textual amendments which were
in doubt. MIR. Lansing's quoted state
ment that tire league will not be able
TO correct iniustices done IN the treaty
because OF the necessity for a unani-
nous vote IS not newt has been made
many times in the Senate but com
ing from Mr. Lansing it is expected
to be tremendous weapon in the
hands OF Senator Norris and others
fighting for the ShaNtung amendment.
Bullitt Quotes Lansing
The excerpts which Mr.. Builitt read
10 the committee al the insistence of
Senator's follow
"Mr Lansing said he personally
would have strengthened greatly the
Judicial clauses Of the leagnc Of ma
tons. making arbitration compulsory
He also said he was absolutely OPP
posed to the United States taking
mandate IN either Armenia or Con-
stsntnople; hat he thought Con-
stantnople should be placed under
loca government, the chief members
o. which to De appointed oy az. in
ternational committee.
Mr.. Lans.ng then said that ne,
too. considered many parts OF the
treaty thoroughly bad, particularly
those dealing with Shantung and the
league o. nations. lie said 4 con-
slider that the league OF nations at
presen, is entirely useless. The great
powers have simply gone ahead and
arranged The word TO suit them
selves tH1'a7d and France in par
ticu.ar have got out of the treaty
everything they wanted, and the
league O. nations can do nothing TO
alter any Q. the unjust clauses oe
the treaty e~cep. oy unanimous COR
sen. Of the members o. the league,
ard me great powers will never give
consent tc changes in the interests OF
weaker Jeo9les
Expected Fight By Lodge
we men u kcd aoout the possihil-
~ Q. ratification BY the Senate Mr.
Lansing said; 4 believe If The Senate
could Only understand what this
treat means and If the American
people would really understand, it
unquestioAably would be defeated.
but wonder if they will ever under
stand what il lets them in for
He expressed the opinion that Mr..
Knosi would probably really under
stand the treaty and that Mr.. Lodge
would. but that Mr.. Lodges position
would become purely political and
therefore ineHective.' CIaughterj
NJ. LODGE don't mind.
MIR. Bullitt reading He thought.
however, that Mr.. Knox might instruct
America in the real meaning of it.
(LaughtorD
Mr.. Lodge He has made some very
valuable efforts in that direction.
Mr. Bullitl l beg to be excused from
reading any more of thoee convcrsa-
tons
Previously Mr. Bullitt had bceu
asked 20 read conversations he ha q had
with Colonel House and General Bliss,
but Mr.. Builitt had begged to be cx-
eused, and the committee yielded
Bullitt's Resignation
The text Of Mr. Bultt's letter of
Resignation as chief OF the division Of
current intelligence Of the American
delegation follows:
"Paris, Nav II. 1919-Dear Mr.