The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-08-28
FALL IN CLASH
WITH NELSON IN
SENATEDEBATE
Saws Minnesotan Is in Sec
ond Childhood in Oppos-
ing Treaty Changes.
REPLIES TO McCUMBER
Asserts He Is Not Trying to
Kill Covenant but to
Right q Wrong.
CAUSTIC TOWARD WILSON
Cites Precedents to Show That
Peace Can Be Restored by
Proclamation.
REPLIES TO McCUMBER
cAusTIC TOWARD WILSON
specia, Despotca TO TIE Sun.

WASHINGTON, Aug. Ex-senator Fall
IN. ny made reply from the Senate
noor to-day to the speech delivered
Yesterday by Senator McCumber IN.
d., in which the latter defended the
peace treaty's cession Of Shantung to
Japan. Incidentally Mr.. Fall dis
cussed caustically President Wilson's
replies to the twenty questions that he
CMr FalD had submitted to the Presi-
dent at the White House conference
with the Foreign Relations Committee
last week. engaged in a redhot ex-
change with Senator Nelson (Minn.).
in which both Senators indulged in the
sharpest personalities that have
marked the treaty debate thus far.
and asserted that Senators who are
demanding haste with the peace pact
are largely those who have not read
the document.
Mr.. Fall especially presented the
legal reasons in support of his conten-
ton that Congress and the President
by legislation could end the war with
out treaty OF peace. From the be-
ginning he has maintained this posi-
ton, while President Wilson has
denied it. Mr.. Fall went into the
precedents Of this and other coun-
tries to sustain his view.
Nelson Asks Specifications.
From the beginning of the treaty's
consideration impatience has been dis
played with those who do not agree
entirely with the document he said
AT the first meeting Of the Foreign
Relations Committee impatience was
displayed with the insistence Of some
Senator's that the treaty be read and
one or two frankly admitted they had
never read it. Yet some Senators now
most impatient with our discussion
are among those who have admitted
omission to read the document"
viii the Senator tell us the objec-
tionable features of the treaty. asked
Senator Nelson. Does he object to the
reparation provisions or to disarmament.
or to the granting Of Alsace-Lorraine to
France or the restoration Of northern
schleswIg to Denmark; or to the re-
establishment Of Poland? There Is no
use attempting to chop this treaty into
mincemeat If that Is the object, when
It gets before the Senate the mincemeat
will be brushed aside"
a. Ii.
advantage OF his age and experience to
talk in that manner" chided Mr.. Fall.
The Senator need not, mind my age {:
he may consider me the youngest man
in the Senate" retorted Mr.. Nelson.
Nelson Demands Explanation.
II second childhood means that, pos
sibly might do So" Mr.. Fall shot back.
Recently the Senate sent to the Judiciary
Committee for an opinion concerning the
constitutionality of the French alliance
treaty That committee has reported
and / find no consideration whatever
was given to the question OF whether the
Senate would have the right to ratify
treaty by the consent of tho Council of
a League Of Nations instead of by itself
under its own constitutional authority.
The report written and signed by the
Senator from Minnesota is silent upon
mat most interesting question"
I understood the Senator to say that
was in my second childhood" said
senator Nelson, obviously in a great
rage. Il should like to have him enc
plain that"
I did not say that, and I apologize
TOT anything personal that the Senator
may have understood me to say" replied
Mr.. Fall.
Il am neither in my second childhood
IN this matter nor on the Mexican situa-
tlon," Mr. Nelson remarked.
Wei, call attention to the fact that
me Senator has pending before the
Foreign Relations Committee a request
mat foreigners be heard concerning the
disposition Of the Aland Islands, which
Is one OF the matters which the commit
lee has before It for consideration and
II is one OF the matters delaying the
Ueaty's consideration.
"earies of Japan Argument.
yesterday, addressing Senator Borah
and Senator Watson, Senator McCum-
Der said What you wanted to do was
70 slap Japan in the face. What you
wanted TO do was to create such a feel-
'is Oel"een Japan and the United states
mat It would be almost impossible foI
Jaran to comply with the treaty
Ihat is not washing our hands cleaI
OF the subject. II is getting into It In
SUCH way that We will have TO wash
our hands with blood unless Japan backs
Gown and you are putting her where
sne can scarcely honorably back down
lou are insulting her and her people
oy declaring she cannot be trusted.
FURTHER. the Senator repeatedly
charged that Senators favoring the
nhahtung amendment wanted to kill-tht
treaty For myself. I am weary OF THU
sort OF argument. In my vote OH thai
amendment / was endeavoring to righ,
wrong, and when any other motive
IS charged by the Senator he is stat
ing what is not true. In my judgment
i'r the United States TO join Europe. tc
enter all the broils and Disturbances o.