The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-08-07

Lansing: I suppose they are.
Hitchcock: Would they be In the adj
vent Of the adoption Of the League Of
Natfons7
Lansing: No. think that would dis
pose Of them.
Hitchcock: They would be abrosstsd
by the ieague7
Lansing: Yes.
Hitchcock; Abrogated. then, upon the
ratification OF this treaty by Japsn7
Lansing Yes.
Senator McCumber IN. d.: Provided
they are in conflict with Il?
Hitchcock; They are specifically de-
nounced
Mocumber: To the extent that they
are in conflict with it7
New: Mr.. Secretary. as Article XXI.
OF tho league covenant reads, the i'm.
piication Is that there arc so-caaies
regional understandings other than the
Monroe Doctrine. Can you tell us what
some Of these regional understandings
aref
Lansing: Yes Morocco. Egypt. GER
tain portions OF East Africa.
Senator Knox Liberia7
Lansing Liberia 10 another.
New: Would II not be we'll TO arriv,
at complete understanding and avoid
fnture disagreements to set forth ali the
regional understandings that are to be
hereafter observed7
Lansing: You mean in the Lacquer
New: Yes. The Monroe Doctrine is
specifically named az q regional under
standing.
Tacftiy IndOrses Reservation.
Lanang; II might have been well.
That IL matter OF opinion, that is ali.
New: Well, are we 70 understand that
In Joining the league with that article
phrased as It 10 we accept that defini-
ton OF the Monroe Dootrinef
Lansing: What definition do you
mean7
New: That is a regional under
standing
Lansing: Yes should think 50. II
is regional understanding. II Is a
phrase that was not familiar with
until Il appeared In the covenant.
New: Who originated that phrase?
Lansing: I have not the slightest
New: think we are alike on that
None OF us ever heard Of II.
Borah: The press attributed II to
Col House.
McCumber 1t is an understanding
that covers 4 certain region.
Lansing That 10 H.
MoCumber: There 10 no objection to
calling the Monroe Doctrine regional
understanding II 1t covers the Western
Hemisphere.
The Chairman: with whom 10 the
understanding?
McCumber: II the rest of the world
agrees to II there u an understanding.
The Chairman They have not, yet.
McCumber: This treaty 10 supposed
to obtain their acquiescence In II.
The Chairman: Then Il will not be
a regional understanding until the
treaty Is agreed to:
Senator williams: Call II by that
.narpe In order to keep It from bein-
the Monroe Doctrine.
bate that.
McCumber: My question Is: what Is
the objection to using the term re-
gionsi?
Lansing: I am not obiseting
New I DO not know that II IL 90
much an objection as 1t is to ask for
information.
McCumber: We do not have to draw
very heavily on our understanding to
know what regional means
Pomerene: Nor what the Monroe Doc
trine means.
Borah: But II would require a good
deal of fancy to make the Monroe Doc
trine conform with that.
To Submit Kaiser Trial Plan.
Mr. Lansing was questioned about the
agreement under which the islands Of
the Pacific were to 60 to Great Britain.
but he knew little about Il. He was
asked about the plans to try the Kaiser
and said he would submit the report OF
the commission on responsibilities and
the reservations made by the American
delegates.
Next the committee turned TO the
seven treaties OF peace, being particu-
larry interested In why the United States
should sign the treaties with Turkey and
Bulgaria, with whom America was not
at war. Mr.. Lansing said this was be-
ceuse the President wanted 10 take part
in the negotiations with those countries
and It was necessary to sign the treaty
to do so.
Then Senator Moses asked Mr.. Ian
sing II the Senate was TO get the minutes
Of the deliberations OF the various COM
missions, which he said are OF prime I'm
portance In studying the treaty. Mr..
Lansing was doubtful OF the propriety Of
doing this unless the other Governments
gave their consent. This colloquy fol-
lowed:
Senator Moses: But this is the day of
''cpsn covenants, openly arrived at" Mr..
Lansing.
Senator Harding; That 10 like the
passing OF dollar diplomacy"
Senator Pomerene: Bear in mind the
Irritation 1t would be to certain Senators
IL they did not get It.
Lansing. Then II 10 q question Of irri-
tation between Senators or Governments.
In III
Pomerene: Both are to be considered.
Moses: Mr.. Lansing. there once was
q maxim OF the American Diplomatic ser
vice that there were no secrets between
a diplomatic representative and his Gov
eminent, and am assuming that In the
present instance the Foreign Relations
Committee OF the Senate and the Senate
itself are portion of the Government In
its treaty making functions, and that the
old maxim Of there being no secrets be-
tween a diplomatic representative and
his Government should be maintained
with us
Lansing: Yes, but you notice II Ia lin
tied to Governments and their diplomatic
agents.
Noses: Well, the plsnipotentiaries at
Paris were diplomatic agents Of the Gov
eminent?
Lansing; Yes.
Moses And assume that the Senate
In its treaty making functions 10 at the
present minute the Government
Lansing: Yes.
Moses SO 1 hope the old maxim that
the service than do to-day still applies
Lansing: Yes.
Inquiries About IA Points.
Senator johnson; Did you have