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beneht OF the working people. and from
all the records we can get he has never
bsen a member of organized labor, either
OF the seeding organization or tho ie-
Ultimate organization, as far as this city
is concerned. and nobody knows where
he ever worked
Most Reds Are Aliens.
Mr.. Holland said he was proud 10 say
that not more than 5000 or 10000 o.
the entire American Federation of Labor
had been taken over or carried away by
the ultra radical agitation. OF the 900, o0U
men in the $50 organizations In the State
Of New York the radicals had not sue
ceeded In capturing more than $4,000.
or the latter number IS per cent. were
foreigners, largely Russian Jews. Not
more than 40 per cent. OF the members
OF the radical organisations were Amer
lean citizens, the witness declared
In his files In Albany Nj. Holland
said he had a pamphlet issued by the
International Hotel WORKERS. which ad-
vocated the overthrow OF the Govern
ment He referred TO having heard a
certain person advocate the overthrow of
the Government ny force, but said he
would rather give tie name to tho COM
mittee In private session.
Has this agitation been going on
since tho present prohibition agitation
has been brought about" asked Assem-
blyman Martin, who WAS presiding In
the absence of Senator Lusk.
"oh, It came before the prohibition
question was brought about" was the
reply. "Tnc prohibition question was
taken as a Joke. But they put the Joke
over" And the witness drew very wry
face as he recalled IL.
Considerable of the agitation started
In tine trouble between this country AMI
Mexico, Mr.. Holland said. Those advo-
eating sedition since had urged this
country TO 70 to war with Mexico, but
had opposed getting into the fight with
Germany.
'sHave you noticed In tho radical
newspapers and periodicals OF the or
eaniEat!on have mentioned" asked Ir.
Stevenson, ANY statements which claim
that the movement Is labor movement
in this country
Every one Of the Socialist papers
claim that they own the labor move
ment." was the reply. Il say. God helr
the laborlng man and woman the day
they become their leaders"
Mr. Holland said the difference be-
tween the Federation of Labor and the
Socialists was that the former believed
in collective bargaining. but the latter
said Go in and take it
"I understand that these radicals
want to abolish the wage system en-
tirtly." remarked Assemblymsn Mullan.
"Thcy have been preaching that for a
number OF years." said the witness with
n look of deep disgust ON his face. Il
believe. gentlemen, that II there was not
| SO much publicity given to this so-called
bugaooo of Bolshsvism. II they had moth
far En- NhANF 1<x, ~
boards
You think they thrive on notoriety p
''They certainly do. and look for II
every day in the week"
so the more you talk about them the
worse Off you arer'
Absolutely. can say this about
them, open and above board--most OF
them are moral cowards."
Extremists weaker Than Before.
Have you any apprehension in labor
circles that Bolshevism will spread 80
that II will become dangerous and over
come the legitimate aims Of your or
ganization?"
mo. the extremists might do Il In Ger.
tain localities. but they have been weak.
er this time In the American Federation
of Labor than they have been in It's en-
thc
Mr.. Holland was referring to the fac,
that at every A. F. OF l. convention
since It's organization, except the recen,
one in Atlantic City the Socialists hat
attempted to bring about dissension. The
only thing they tried there was to pu,
through resolution Of sympathy 70,
| the Soviet Government. but It was de-
feated by $4,000 to 400.
In reply to a question from Assistant
District Attorney Rorke. Mr.. Holland
! said that so far as he knew there wal
no starving proletariat" in this State
to-day. but the Reds would preach II II
| they had a house full OF food right
alongside. While some of the radica
pamphlets bore the union label. Mr.. IIoi,
land said, most Of the labels did moi
have the genuine imprint of the Allied
Printing Trades.
About five years ago the split in thu
garment workers occurred in Cleveland
| and, according to Mr.. Holland, II wa,
led by Jacob Panken. who Is now a
| Municipal Court Justice In the Second
District in New York city. He never
had been a garment worker.
They don't believe In the Govern
ment," said Mr.. Holland. referring tc
| the Amalgamated Garment Workers
| They preach this to-day behind CLOSED
doors and some Of them preach II II
| the open. There IL not a place wher,
| they do not ridicule the Government"
| There arc about 10000 persons II
/ this organization in the United Statei
and Canada
Mr.. Holland will continue his testi
mony to-day.
| when the Committee frst started
Mayor Hylan offered cooperation through
the Police Department and yesterda,
L ,,N. 49, - ct
be put on the record:
| MAY II appear that in connection will
the cooperation OF the Police Depart
ment Of the city Of New York with thu
investigating Committee that Inspecto
Joseph A Faurot. Detective Sergean
James J. Gegan Of the Bomb Squad
Detective Sergeant Cornelius ]. Brow
| OF the Bomb Squad are present to al,
this Committee in every way in orde
to throw light on the matters now unde
investigation, and that on the requea
| OF the Chairman OF this Committee an,
by the action OF the Police Commissions
through his Inspector, Joseph A Faurot
Sergeant Cornelius ]. Brown has beef
detailed to attend all the sessions Of thi
Committee held in the greater city o
New York"
Rand school Gets New Writ.
Denied the Injunction restraining Al
torney- General Newton, members of tn
Lusk Legislative Committee and other
from utilizing papers and document
seized in the recent raid on the Ran
School when he sought yesterday betor
Justice McAvoy in Special Term OF gu
preme Court, S. John Block, counst
for the Rand School. again went be
fore the court with new applicatio