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and to debate for himself, and IL he
did not tend in that direction as 1 under
stand your Honor because the President
In his high once, took certain position
III not, II seems to me-
phe Court: You put II pretty strong.
Mr.. Lucking: II not, II seems to me
that our freedom of debating In this
country ie entirely gone, II anybody can
not take position opposed to the
President.
Mr.. Stevenson: II your Honor please,
Mr.. Ford has said, when he knew that
the President. the man who had knowl-
edge upon the subject said that the pres
ent force was not sufncient even for
routine purposes. Mr.. Ford said that
anybody who had advocated moro than
that belonged to the murderer class.
q. (By Mr.. Stevenson, continuing) rs
consistent in changing his mind from
what he believed year ago.
A. Yes, think 20.
Q. What did you mean by this, refer
ring to the Presidents speeches: Let
the President and others, who are
preaching this doctrine of fear. point out
the enemy; let them prove the enemy
comes upon US and every American Is
willing to lay down his fortune and his
life at the feet Of the President as
Americans have done before" That
dent. wasn't TT
A. That is In that book. Mr.. Steven
son.
q That was intended as an answer to
the Presidents speech7
A. Possibly II was
Speeches Might BE Politics..
Q. That the President was playing
politics In making these speeches?
A. I said he might be.
Q. Don't you. recall. Just read to you
a few moments ago, the President In his
speech In Chicago that he regretted
very much there was Presidential cleo
ton pending?
A. Yes
Q. For fear It might be construed in
that way7
A. Yes. air.
@. That he gave the most solemn as
surance at the time that he was talking
as n patriot and not as q Politician
A. Yes, sir. =.
Q. In the face OF that positive assur-
anee you insinuated that he was playing
politics?
A. I said It was thought he must be
ptNJiHb ppItlCB
Q. You said you thought he might be
playing politics?
3 A Yes
Q. You recall especially. Mr.. Ford.
don't you, the statement OF the Presi-
dent that he did not have. or the Gov
eminent did not have, sufficient troops
In the Regular Army 60 even patrol the
Mexican border; do you recall that?
A. Some Of the people thought he had.
Q. You recall he said that?
A. Yes. do recall that
Q. Did you have any information OF
the number OF troops required 10 patrol
the Mexican border?
No Troop Information.
A. No. but think gave out an in
tervicw on that.
Q. Did you have any information?
A. Yes
Q. Where did you get It?
A. Around at different places; and
Mr.. Delavigne got some OF II.
@. Is It In this propaganda?
A. No. but ] gave out an interview In
New York where I advocated 100000
about that time.
@. Didn't you also follow that UP with
the writer that made that statement and
say. what would we do with an army IL
II was 100000?
A. Possibly I did.
@. Now. didn't you?
A don't think SO.
Q. MIR. Alderman said hero under
oath: Have you any objection to an
army7" and you said NO; not to a 2C0,-
coo or 100000 army. but what would we
do with them II we had them?"
A. don't know that It was Acker-
man.
Q. Who was It!
4. A bunch OF reporters.
9. Alderman was one OF them, one OF
that bunch?
A. They don't all get that the same.
Q. Now. didn't you make that state
ment?
A. don't think so.
O.. That You didn't have any objec-
tlon to 100000 army, but didn't know
what you would do with them II we had
them?
A. may have made that statement.
He Advocated Submarine.
@. Now. Mr.. Ford, didn't you say all
the notes that have been written about
the submarine question were political
bunk?
4. | don't think so: always advo-
Gated the submarine.
Q. I am talking about the notes Of
the President on the submarine ques-
ton. The sinking of the Sussex, you
referred to II as political bunk
4. Is that In there?
=. 1t is not in the book we are talk
ing about this statement that you made
In New York.
4. There were three or four reporters
there. and they all made different state
ments.
=. Wasn't there a representative OF a
German paper that was greatly enthused
about your calling 1t political bunk?
\. i don't know.
Q. Didn't you use that expression
political bunk?
A. ! don't know whether did not not.
Q. AS a matter of fact. weren't you
opposed to the Presidents policy on the
submarine question?
A. No. sir not on the submarine
.. Didn't you say that HIS note writ
ten on the submarine question was en-
tirely without any word on the que st lon
Of the use OF the submarine by the Ger
man Government?
A. No, sir: ! did not.
Q. Now, going back to- the Mexican
border-what Information did you have
on the question Of the humber of troops
that were required to protect the Amer
lean border?
A. don't know what information I
had on II. We had quite a lot OF In
formation. but don't know what It was.
at the time. 49,
Q. You were possessed OF information
bearing on the Mexican, border sltua-
tion7 ... .t-
A. Mr.. Deiavgne was. TO some extent.
O You Wrote ahoilt N In voiir hook