New-York tribune., 1919-02-07
Ochs Denies
British Monev
BacksTiirnes,
Takes Stand i'm O'Learv T,,.,
and Tells of Disagreemeo,
With Northcliffe in 1914
No Englisllman ON Staff
Declares Newspaper Cri6,
cised Great Britain :,
Seizure of u. S. Shiu

Adolph S. Ochs, owner of 9Th. ~.
York Times" yesterday emphat;e,,.
denied at the trial of Jeremiah
O'Leary and his co-defendants in -.
Federal District CouYa that the n.,..
he controls was ever pro- British s,,
un-American in its attitude durinc a.
controversy between the United Sts,,.
and Great Britain. Mr.. Ochs was csl,.a
as a witness for the prosecutin ).
answer the repeated charges made /.
O'Leary in his magazine, "Bull.n tb,s
The Times" was controlled by Brjts.
interests.
O'Leary and his associates are bein.
tried on an indicting instrument tss.
charges that their views as reaecssa
in "Bull' were designed to obstruc, =,
cruiting and enlistment. If OTes,v
Is convicted he can be sent to prison
Tor more than 100 years.
MIR. Ochs's testimony on direct a,
animation was brief. In answer >.
questions by Federal Prosecutor lame,
W. Osborne, he said that he was ures;.
dent of "The New York Timssp cou.
pany and owned 81 per cent Of u.
stock. He further explained that aTb.
Times" was a million dollar cornor.
ton.
Does Lord Northcliffe own anv,;SS
tertst in your paper" asked Mr. Dc.
borne.
"None whatever" replied the ouh
Usher.
Americans Hold All Stock
'ls the stock all owned by Amer.
'cans?" pressed the prosecutor
Entirely" answered the witness
THANK you, Mr.. Ochs," said Mr.. o.
borne, and he turned the witness owe,
to the defence.
Jeremiah A. OLeary immedi.,sl,
jumped to his feet and started I'svsi' SvrI
ing questions at the witness wv AA'''
"Mr Ochs, are YOU in cbarre os -.
editorial policy of the New = yors o.I
Ilmes,' asked OLeary.
Eyes sir"
DO you go to The New ork Times
office every day ?"
Yes" answered Mr.. Ochs. 81 co
there every day" .
The defendant then asked If N,
Ochs went to the Office every dor 60. g..
the last five years and the wisnsss' sas ays
ne was at the Office virtually ererv Ja,' ;a'
Osborne Protests Questions
AT this point Mr. Osborne MADE +.
vigorous protest at the questions askee
py O'l.eary and demanded statemen'
on the motives behind the stvle cf in.
terrogation. -
" Leary turning to the court in 4
hlgh-pltched voice shouted:
our honor, this man has been
cailed mere as witness for the GOV.
erhment. The purpose of my exar,ina.
~ Ion is to prove that "The New York
lines IS controlled by British inter.
ests and that it is working for Eng,
iahd and not the United States. in.
teIld 10 show that its attitude durjns
the war has been un- American to sat.
lsfy the aims of the British interests.
Inc prosecution immediately oh.
Jected to O'Leary's talk as immaterisl
ana the defendant in replying dc.
manded the right to question Mr.
Ochs. '''O' 80
Your honor" he said they hav.
brought this man into court them.
selves. We know WHY the govern.
ment has done this. 1t is because o.
publications in 'Bull which denounced
the New York Times for being nro
BRITISH and un-American. The Bull
saIeenounced the editorial policy of the
Times seerely. We ought to have The
right to question this man."
OLeary Talks Too Loudly -
Judge Hand instructed O'Leary not
TO talk so loudly and directed thst
the examination continue.
Mr.: Ochs you say you control tie
etd1torlai policy of the New YOTS
Eyes"
Did you have man named Cleve'
land employed as an editorial writel
IN January of 1862"
II don't know" replied Mr.. Ochs.
Did you approve of the editorial in
the Times" of January %, 1916, Or
the Barolong affair 90
~A'S ~ DAC-1ACu bidS iO OiN ~
remember this, and IN answer e
O'Leary's questions said that he dlt
rot always read the editorials in hi:
paper. The examination then contin
ued.
Did you ever meet Lord North
cliffe ,"
Frequently"
Did you meet Lord Northcliffe j
Philadelphia at the Hotel Walton, II
NO.
When did you control the Phila
delphia LEDGER"
an 1901"
Never Discussed Policy with Northclia
Did you ever discuss with Lorr.
Northcliffe the policy of your papers
Never in my life" replied Mr.. ocss
O'Leary then asked if it was 10
true that the New York Times" op
posed President Taft's policy of COS
lecting tolls for the Panama Cana
and also opposed fortifying the water
way The publisher replied that D
thought the paper did.
DO you know what the Times
DOING" asked Mr.. O'Leary.
Il think So"
Why, a newspaperman is suppose
to know started OLeary, when u
witness stopped him and said:
Il object. / am one nawspapermS
who does not know everything"
The publisher was then asked II !, D
paper had opposed the seizure OF n y,
! Hooking, Dacia and other boats nei
up by the British. He replied that
could not answer, but was under "
impression that the files would sn9'
its attitude was American IN u
matter -,
Mr.. Osborne again objected and n ,