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stated here that you were in favor Of
| universal service, haven't you; that II
| there was to be an army the fair way
was by universal service7
Judge Murphy: I object~to that. He
has not said that.
The Court: Take the answer.
Mr.. Alfred Lucking: The witness has
not said anything OF that kind.
Q. II you will tell us so now, we will
see.
A. would rather not answer 1t Just
now. / have heard what Mr.. ,Luckine
said. 1 would rather not answer 1t, II
you please.
Q. will ask you. Mr.. Ford, have you
not said here that you were In favor, II
1t was necessary to raise an army. to
raise 1t by CONSUMPTION, that that was
! the fair way to raise 1t.
A. That was the fair way to raise an
army when we were in war, was by con-
| scription, yes, sir
@. That Is universal service. isn't II.
A. Well, 1t is, yes, sir.
O. You referred to the Presidents
speeches in your advertisements?
A. Yes.
O. You also knew, didn't you, MIR.
Ford, that American citizens were being
slaughtered and murdered down there
by men coming across the border right
at the time that these advertisements
| we're sent out?
A. knew there was no war.
Q. You say there was no war, what do
you mean by that?
A. We did not have any war. no war
| declared, as / understand.
O. Is that the only way there can be
| war, by declaring war?
View of When War Exists.
A. A state of war is when war is de-
| clared. understood.
q. Do you call It riots, that band OF
| armed men who came from Mexico into
| the United States and murder American
citizens and steal their property and
burn down their buildings?
A. 1t is murder, that Is what 1t is.
@. Wasn't It an invasion by armed mer
on the sovereignty OF the United States?
| A. It must have been an invasion.
Q. Don't you remember of Gen. Per
shing going into Mexico?
! A. don't remember that
Q. You don't dispute the fact that
| Gen. Pershing had gone into Mexico?
A. No. 1 don't dispute it.
Q. You recognize. don't you, that II
was the duty of the United States Their
to defend its citizens and protest them
against such raids and such acts Of the
| Mexican bandits. don't you!
A. thought they had plenty Of sol
diers to take care of them
| Q. You recognized that 1t was thu
duty of the Mexican Government t.
protect them?
| A. Yes.
Q. And the Secretary of War had {
warn the citizens in Mexico to com,
| away from there or there would b'
murder?
| A. Yes.
| q. After the Mexicans had driven gu
the American citizens and refugees they
came into our country. and the Presi
dent said he had no troops to protec
them.
| A. don't remember about 1t. but
must have known about II at the time
Q. 1t was under those circumstances
that you put out these advertisements
concerning preparedness and humanity
and sanity?
| A 1t was against militarism anC
against over preparedness, is the reason
that we put 1t out.
Q. You knew, didn't you, Mr.. Ford
that when the National Guard wa:
called out by the Commander in Chic
OF the United States, the President o.
the United States. it was to so dowr
and repel that invasion OF the territor!
OF the United States and protect it!
citizens; you knew that, didn't you?
A. knew something about it at tn
time.
.. You don't think that it is dut!
of the man who mas enlisted in thu
Army of the United States. of the Ma
tional Guard, to respond to the call o
the Commander in Chief Of the Army
A. didn't know that the Nationa
Guard had to.
O. Did that make any difference II
| YOUR attitude-