The sun., 1919-07-17
FORD BEAT WILSON
AS WAR PREPARER


as can. understand. in general, the
trend OF your various arguments to the
public was to warn the people that the
advocates OF preparedness were people
who were trying to instil fear In the
minds and in the hearts OF the people OF
dangers that did not exist. In order that
they might cause the Government TO
overprepare, as you call II?
A. Yes.
Q. And thereby sell their munitions7
A. That Is the man. That 10 the man
at the bottom of II, the man that makes
money out OF II.
@. And you characterized everybody
who advocated preparedness as doing
IL for the purpose Of making money out
Of Il?
A. advocated preparedness.
O. am talking about 1916 or 1915.
A. was a murderer just as we'll as
anybody else was.
Was Party to Murder.
Q. You were a murderer?
A. was a party to II, one OF the
helpers.
Q. One of the helpers of murderf
A. Yes.
Q. DO you mean that the men who
we're advocating. in 1915 and 1915. were
murderers. were like you, in 1917
q. That was different. What did you
mean by this. The men OF the world.
the ones in the ranks who would have
to rush the machine guns. II war came.
are beginning to take these preachers OF
war at theE true WORTH"
A. Yes, that Is this fellow down at the
bottom.
Q. You and your articles held forth
that everybody who advocated prepared
A. Everybody who advocated?
Q. Yes. Or overpreparedness. as
you call It?
Mr.. Lucking-It seems to me we
understand Mr.. Ford's views now after
this lengthy cross-examination. 1t would
seem 50.
The court--Go ahead.
Mr.. Stevenson-We have got to a
stage in this case, after many weeks,
where we have got to a crucial point OF
IT, / think there has been less time
spent in this examination upon matters
OF real. vital interest In this case, OF
real, vital Importance, than at any
other stage OF the case. This - the
most important part of the case, ana
Mr.. Ford's testimony Is tho most I'M
portant testimony. / conceive II my
right and duty to examine Mr.. Ford
thoroughly on this subject so that this
fury may understand just what Mr..
Ford's views were in order that they
can determine whether he was what we
called him or not
Q. (By Mr. Stevenson. continuing)
ind this sentence-"The men OF the
world. the ones in the ranks. who would
have to rush the machine guns II war
came, are beginning to take these
preachers OF war at their true worth and
to see In all of them. including the De-
troit brief holder for murder. only bally-
hoos OF their own wares OF DEATH"
Never Saw This Sentence.
A. Mr.. Delavigne wrote that. l don't
remember ever seeing 1t before.
Q. Do you know what 'ballyhoos"
means?
A. No, I do not believe 1 do.
Q. What did you expect the people
who read 1t were going to understand 1t
meant?
A. Ballyhoos was a blackboard.
Q. Did you intend to call these people
blackguards?
A. / do not know, Mr.. Stevenson That
is Mr. Delavignes word.
Q. What did you mean by the De-
troit brief holder for murder?
A. don't know, Mr.. stevenson. Mt.
Delavene-
O. Why, you told US that you read It.
A. Part OF II. yes, sir.
O. Part OF it? Was this one OF the
parts that you did not read, is that what
you mean?
A. guess so I don't remember II ut
all
Q. You know that this refers TO Mr..
Henry B. Joy. the Detroit brief holder
for murder the man that you called an
apostle of murder?
4. Possibly II did.
n Tha Datnoit hrief holder for MIR
der. and he is the same man that you
called the apostle OF murder, isn't he?
A. II Mr. Delavigne referred TO Mr..
Joy in that there. he did
Q. Isn't that what It plainly means,
Mr.. Ford?
A. am responsible for the book. Mr..
Stevenson.
Q. Did you bring your spectacle. with
you to-day, Mr.. Ford?
A. No. have not got them in Mount
Clemens.
Q. Do you ever use them7
a. Not very often.
seldom Uses spectacIes.
Q. Why is It especially necessary to
use them now when I ask you to read
something; you say that you do not ordi-
narily use them?
A. Because l can read pretty we'll
without them, but cannot read care
fully.
@. You cannot read carefully. We'll.
now. this Is one OF the things that you
gave out to educate the public. wasn't IL ?
A Yes, sir.
Q. To influence the public judgment.
and the purpose OF II was, wasn't IT, Mr..
Ford. to convey to the public the i'm
preston or the understanding that Mr..
Joy and those who like him advocated
preparedness were apostles Of murder
and brief holders for murder?
A. For overpreparedness. for pre-
paredness that we did not need. II was
the system all the way through.
Q. Take your overpreparedness idea,
we have an explanation from you?
A. Yes.
Q. You say now. don't you. at least, II
you never said II before, you say now
that what you were trying 10 inclte the
public TO think about was that prepared
ness. as you call II. was overprepared-
ness that II was murder?
A. War is q system OF murder all the
way through.
o. You have said that many times, but
that does not answer the question. Mr..
Ford.
A. Do you want me TO say that Mr..
Joy is a murderer?
Q. No. ask you to say II 1t ts true
that you undertook TO give the impress
sion to the public by what you said In
this that Mr.. Joy and other men who,
like him advocated preparedness. were
advocating murder and were brief hold
ers for the cause Of murderf