El Paso herald. (El Paso, Tex.) 1901-1931, 1919-08-19

! graduates or the ACADEMY ana is AuF
! the other regulars OF the same ranks
est reluctance approach that assembly
/ for permission TO read the treaty as
we understand it and as those who
! framed IL quite certainly understood
it. If the United States were 70
qualify the document in any way
moreover. I am confident from what
I know OF these many conferences and
debates which accompanied the for
mutation Of the treaty that our eX-
ample would Immediately be followed
I in many quarters, some instances
with very serious reservations, and
I that the meaning and operative force
/ of the treaty would presently be
clouded from one end OF its clauses
TO the other"
] Senator Lodge Speaks
] After the president delivered his
J statement. senator Lodge said:
Mr.. President; We have no
! thought Of entering upon arguments
as 10 interpretations. but the commit
I tee was very desir0us Of getting in
{ formation on certain points which
l they thought would be OF value in con-
( sideration Of the treaty which they
J desire TO hasten in every possible way.
IF We have to restore peace to the
world il is necessary that there should
Z be treaties with Austria, Hungary.
/ Turkey and Bulgaria
] LnQHE treaties are al more OF less
] connected with the treaty with Ger
many. The uestion 1 should like TO
I ask is what the prospects are of re-
1 ceiving those treaties for action
Wilson Answers Questions
| The president: I think IL is very
good. sir. and so far as 1 can judge
/ from the contents Of the dispatches
! from my colleagues on the other side
[ Of the water the chief delay is due
I TO the uncertainty as 10 what Is go
N
/ treaty is a model OF the others
Senator Lodge: They are not re-
garded as essential to the cOnsidera-
I ton Of this treaty.
I The president; They are not re-
] garded as such, no sir; they follow
I this treaty.
| Senator Lodge: I do not know about
I the other treaties, but the treaty with
Poland. for example. has been com
pleted2
Pact With Poland signed.
The president: Yes. and signed;
| but it is dependent upon this treaty.
/ Ny thought was to submit il upon the
action on this treaty
! Senator Lodge then asked whether
! the president could show the commit
tee the tentative league OF nations
/ drafts submitted by Great Britain.
/ France and Italy.
The president: I would haze sent
/ them 10 the committee with pleasure.
granted that 1 had them; but the
papers that remain in my hands re-
main here in haphaZard way. can
tell you the character Of the other
| drafts. The British draft was the
only one. as I remember. that was in
the form Of a definite constitution of
{ 2 league The French and Italian
I drafts were in the form Of a series
Of propositions. laying down general
rules and assuming that the commits
] sion q whatever hn1v made the final
Foundations would build upon those
principles IL they we're adopted They
were principles quite consistent with
l the final action.
8IisIed About British Draft.
| remember saying to the commit
tee when ] was here in March some
thing to the effect that the British
draft had constituted the basis
thought afterward that was mislead-
ing and I am very glad to tell the
committee just what l meant.
Some months before the conference
! assembled a plan for the league OF
nations had been drawn up by a Brit
ish committee at the head Of which
was Mr. Philiimore-I believe the Mr.
Phillimore who was known as the
authority on international law. A
copy Of that document was sent to
me and I built upon that a redraft
! I Will not now say whether 7 thought
! IL was better or not an Improvement
! but built on that a draft which wa.
/ quite different. inasmuch as pui
! definiteness where there had beer
what seemed indefiniteness in the
/ Phillimore suggestion. Then. between
that time and the time Of the f0rma
{ tion Of the commission on the league
Of nations. I had the advantage Of
seeing paper by Gen. SHUTS, Of
South Africa. who seemed to me q
have done some very clear thinking
particularly with regard to what wa,
to be done with the pieces OF the dis.
I membered empire.
Revrites His Document.
Before I got to Paris. therefore
I rewrote the document TO which
have alluded and you may have no
; ticed that il consists of a series OF
J articles and then supplementary
] mentarv agreements that 7 embodied
b the additional ideas that had come q
= me not only from Gen Smuts's paper
| but from other discussions That J.
the full story OF how the plan which
I sent to the committee was built up
Senator Lodge: Then. it is obvious
that the Gen. SHUTS plan was used
The president; Yes.
Senator Lodge: Then. there was
previous draft in addition to the on
you have sent TO us You spoke o.
a redraft. That was not submitted e
the committee.
Plan Privately His Own
The president: No; that was priv
ately my own.
senator Lodge: Was it before oui
| commission
The president: No. il was not.
The president said a draft Of arti
Gle 10. which senator Johnson hat
/ presented TO the committee, was par
Of the draft which preceded the draf