New-York tribune., 1919-07-26
Head of Diocese of Michigan
Says He Studied Manu-
facturer's Advertisements
and Previous Testimony
He Tells What a Red Is
Attorney in an AH.Day
Wransle Over Evidence
Offered for the Plaintiff
Special Correspondence

Special Correspondence
MT. CLEMENS. Mich. July 25.-
Bishop Charles d. Williams, of the
Protestant Episcopal Diocese of Michi-
gan. was called to-day in the Ford
Chicago Tribune" libel suit as an ex-
pert an anarchism, to Offset, on behalf
Of Mr.. Ford, the testimony given sew
eral weeks ago by Professor Jesse
Reeves. who compared the writings of
the auto king with those of the world s
most famous anarchists to show their
similarity
Wrangles among the attorneys were
frequent, Judge James G. Tucker being
on his feet good share of the time.
Bishop Williams was aske4 if he was
familiar with the various advertise
ments sent out by Mr.. Ford in his
campaign against Preparedness, and if
he had read the testimony given by
Professor Reeves. He said he had read
and digested the latter, and. he
thought, several of the Ford articles.
An Expert on Anarchy
He said ne had made an extensive
study of anarchy and everything con-
nected with it. He was asked by At
torney Lucking to give his definition
brought on this trial for which Mr.
Ford is seeking to collect $1,0OO,OOO
from "The Tribune"
"An anarchist" said the witness. ais
one who believes in and works for the
abolition of the government"
Judge Tucker ruled out a question
which asked Bishop Williams if there
is some definite principle without be-
lief in which man cannot be anar-
chistc
When Mr.. Lucking inquired for the
plaintiff whether there was anything
particularly anarchistic in certain Of
Mr.. Ford's utterances which he quoted,
the court upheld objection by the dc
fence.
Judge Tucker was forced to rule
would be acceptable. SO many have
been given that the Judge said he de-
sired to avoid further controversies on
the subject.
He Said Nothing New
Mr.. Ford's statement that "men in
authority have wanted more authority
and have seen no way in getting it ex-
cept by violently seizing it," was not
considered by the witness as being
particularly anarchistic.
The query: "Why do vast masses of
men allow themselves to be marched off
TO the slaughter knowing it is in no
good cause ." the witness said was
commonplace in the early years of the
war.
When asked if he considered the
Quakers were anarchists he was not
allowed to answer.
Asked what he had to say of Ford S
statement that to his mind the word
murderer" should be embroidered on
the breast Of every soldier, the Bishop
was allowed to say only that he could
not recall such teachings by anar-
chists
The witness testified that the state
ment, 81 don't blame any man for not
wishing to be q soldier" was common
among many who opposed conscrlption,
and that Carlyle, Emerson and others
lad said: "War is murder"
Very Strong Language
Bishop Williams said that the belief
Of the pacihsts and Socialists comedies
with Fords statement that "the sad
dest thing about this war-every war
is that the people acquiesce. The mo-
ment they refuse to do so there will
be no war
He admitted that Mr.. Ford's utter
ance that he would abolish the United
States army and navy, was very strong
language which he would not care to
t. IN tc answer.
He said it was a half-truth, such
as orators used to enforce their argu-
ment.
Our Lord was the greatest example
Of orators who use half-truths with
tremendous strength" ne went on.
at comes TO my mind where our
Lord said once: He that hateth not
his father and his mother and his
brother and his sister and his kinsmen,
ne cannot be my disciple.' That would
show that He taught hatred, whereas
lie was the greatest promoter Of tillal
love. But He was making a rhetorical
statement 10 show that natural af,
iections must not stand between a man
and his loyalty to truth and righteous
hess"
Mr. Stevenson asked il, in his esti-
nation, Tolstoy was not hne citizen,
allnougA recognized as one Of tho chief
anarchists OF the world. He did not
believe in bomb throwing or the over
t1row Of the government. This, said
me Bishop, was true, but he added
That Tolstoy was recognized by aca-
oemic experts and not by the com
mon people
DO you believe in patriotism ?" he
was asked
Certainly" he replied
hen YOU hear Henry Ford say
ing, Patriotism is the refuge of
scoundrels, what conclusion do you
form ~
Il thought that was an expression
o' Dr. Johnson's definition Of what
patriotism is