New-York tribune., 1919-02-11
Mime. Victorica
Tells of Talks
With O'Leary

w ltn V8AearY
Continued from pAge
German government in the propaganda
division of the Foreign Office and was
on special mission for the German
Admiralty replied the witness.
Says She Knew OLeary
Did you know Jeremiah A. O'Leary ?"
"Yes"
"whcn and where did you meet
him ~
81 met him in the middle of Febru-
ar. 1917. at the Hofbrau House.
Did you meet him more than once ?"
eyes. | met him more than Nnce."
Who introduced him to you?N
Il met him by appointment with Mr..
Kipper ENID and hans Schroeder" "
Schroeder is an alias used by Her
mann Vessels, German naval officer
who has been indicted for treason.)
"Who made the appointments ?'
"Mr. Schroeder
She then explained that this was
after the United States mad severed
diplomatic relations with Germany and
Count Won BcrnstorN had returned to
Europe. When questioned about
Schroeder she said that he was in this
country under the name of Karl Roe
diger and that she had known him in
Germany. Returning to her first meet
ing with OLeary Mr.. Osborne asked:
('r,> il., : l,n
"Well,' responded the witness, "it
was very general and we did not dis
cuss anything of Importance"
O'Leary Did Not Know Her
Did Mr. OLeary know VINO you
were?"
"No. He did not know for a long
time and he does not know now quite"
Mr.. Osborne then brought out that
she had lived for some time at the
Waldorf Astoria and later moved to
Spencer Arms.
Did OLeary visit you at the Spencer
Arms % inquired Mr.. Osborne
"Yes"
"Did the subject Of what you were
doing in this country come up in a
conversation with Mr.. OIeary ?"
Gle thought | was working for an
other department, and I really was.
told him | had affiliations with the Ger
man government, but | never told him
what they were"
Where did you live besides the
Waldorf ?"
Il lived at the Hotel Netherlands
the Spencer Arms and the Hotel Mas
sau. at Long Beach"
"Why did you give up your apart
ment?" asked Mr.. Osborne.
Urged Living at Hotel
"Mr OLeary told me that it was
not safe for me to live in an apart
ment lie said that they could come
and ransack my apartment when | was
absent, and that 1t was better for me
to live at a hotel, where my effects
could b. more closely watche
"Diu Roediger visit you?'
yes"
Was OLeary present?'
yes. once
"Will you state the conversation ?"
II can't say whether it was myself
or Roediger that was speaking. We
said that we absolutely needed some
one to go to the other side with q
statement OF our situation here in
America. Mr. O'Leary sal that may be
ne could get some one"
"What other side do you mean p
asked the prosecutor
"Amsterdam, replied the witness.
/ Nine. Nic1orica then said that
+ O'Leary announced he could get the
messenger if they (Victorica and Roe
diger) would give their words of honor
that there was nothing against the
! United States in the message. She
said that they had given him this as
surance.
Did oLeary suggest the name OF
any person ?"
Arthur oLeary then jumped to his
feet and protested against the oues-
ton on the ground that it was bring.
ing in another crime, and after his
motion was denied the prosecutor re-
reated mis- inquiry.
Robinsons Name Suggested
He finally suggested the name oi
willard Robinson. and stated the con
oltions under which he would co. sa it
Nine. Victorica.
What were the conditions? 2"
THAT there would be nothing agains
the United States in the message ant
that If anything happened to Robin
son | would take care of his mother.
She fLrther explained that she hat
given money to Roediger to give tt
Robinson's mother, and that she kac
first met him in chop suey restau
rant
How did you know Robinson ?"
Mr.. OLcarv introduced me to him
what was Kop,nson to do ?"
"Mr. Robinson was to go to Amster
dam as a messenger for me-"
Who vouchcd for him ?"
Mr.. OIeary."
Why did you want "a messenger t.
90 to Amsterdam ?"
II wanted him TO go to the German
Consul General there to deliver Ger
tain message TO that official. Mr.
O'Leary told me, however, that tn,
message must not contain anything
against the United States"
What was the general purport o
that message ?"
Il wanted to tell the German Consu
General that Roediger could not ge
along here unless they sent him
chemical man. | expressly cold Robin
son that my letters Of recommendation
and credentials had not arrived, and i
they did not would have to ,.eave tn,
country and continue my prAagand,
in South america"
What Instructions were given tt
Robinson AZ 10 who 10 deliver tn,
message tot"
Il told him TO 70 10 Amsterdam ant
reach the Consul General and that h,
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