New-York tribune., 1919-10-02
City Uniformed
Mems Pay Fight
Wins Aldermen
Deputy Controller Prial at
Hearing Calls Disorder
Suggestion, Such as Mayor
Hylan Made, Ridiculous

The hearing before the special com
mittce of the Board of Aldermen YES
terday on higher salaries for policemen
and hremen than the Board of Esti-
mates Finance and Budget Committee
favored in its prepared statement ended
with q declaration by Chairman Will
lam T. Kenneally that the aldermanic
committee was favorably disposed tow
ard the increases asked by the men.
He also stated Aldermanic President
Robert l.. Moran. who is i'll, is in full
sympathy with the requests Moran
has three votes in the Board of Esti-
mate-as many as either the Mayor or
the Controller
Frank j. Prial, Deputy Controller and
president of the Civil Service Forum,
which presented the demands to the
Board of Estimate. opened the discus
sion and introduced the forum speak
ers. MIR. Prial said that the city en-
ployes had no intention OF creating a
disturbance at the City Hall. To sug-
gest the latter, he said, was "a ridic
ulous statement"
The Mayor on Tuesday, in letter
70 Police Commissioner Enright and
Fire Commissioner brennan, said:
tors are endeavoring to create disorder
by attempting to call meeting in the
City Hall plaza tomorrow.
Meeting Success for Employees
The meeting was huge success
Neither the chilling rain nor Mayor
Nyan's ban, announced yesterday but
later modified, kept employees away.
The meeting did not begin until 2
.. m, but half sn hour previous the
seating capacity of the Aldermanic
Chamber was filed. and hundreds of
spectators filed the gallery and the
ante-room. The overflow into the halls
Jammed tho exits.
represented. Fireman Albert Guinness,
president OF the Uniformed Firemen's
Association, attended in uniform.
Patrolman Joseph P. Moran, who was
T civilian clothes. represented the
Patrolmen's Benevolent Association,
Other fremen and patrolmen were
scattered throughout the audience, but
aid not wear uniforms.
Moran and Guinness said permission
for them to attend had been granted
~ Mayor Hylan himself Both said
that they had made unsuccessful at
tempts earlier in the day TO reach the
commissioners Of their respective de-
partments, so had appealed TO the May
Or. Both men were loudly spplauded
ss they entered the hall and also af-
ter they had made short addresses be-
fore the special committe appointed by
the Board Of Aldermen 20 hear the
case Of the employees. Alderman Ken
neatly. the chairman, halls from the
10Th Manhattan District Others on
The committee present wera Aldermen
Collins, Atwel, Cu~ley. Squiers, Gay
nor. Cunningham and Held
Appreciation from Burlingame
State Senator Alvah ". Burlingame,
o. Brooklyn. vas the first speaker
Senator Burlingame said he appeared
as private citizen. representing the
finest police force and the finest fire
fighting force in the United States. and
he was asking for them only justice
ana fair dealing He contrasted the
attitude OF the New York patrolmen
vith the attitude Of the Boston police,
and declared that to maintain success
tC..y the nigh standard OF efficiency
which at present exists in both depart
ments. it is necessary that the in
creases asked by the men should be
granted.
Senator Bur.:ngame praised Con
roller Craig. VINO has declared him
self for a substantial increase, and
'.'|1'-b tifS Nt4itiCl4 tlD-g int COIL
.rolier might be prevailed upon to ac-
cept the figures suggested by the men.
Edward Doyle. of the Real Estate
BoarS OF New ork, pleaded for sub
stantiai increases to al, city employees.
L was absurd, he said, that any city
employe should be asked to work for
less than was paid to unskilled labor.
He called cutting down salaries Of the
city employees false economy.
Let Us have less secretaries to sec
retaries." said Mr.. Doyle There is
no SAVING IN lnderpaying intelligent
and faithful men and women"
Pastor Pleads Moral Issue
The Rev DR.. Homer f. Taylor. pastor
Of st. luke's Episcopal Church, The
Bronx, said there was a moral respon-
sibllity on the part OF the city which
cLt'vc shed even the economy issue.
'ie rsd read +nat % per cent of the
I4en in the Police and Fire depart
ments wcro ct the mercy of loan com
panles, and he characterized that as
'unthinkab,e.' He thought. $4,000 a
year was 700 small an amount for New
York fremen and patrolmen.
County Judge Louis 5. Gibbs, Of The
Bronx, followed DIR. Taylor, and his
speech brought cheers. Judge Gibbs