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lighted to have it come to my commit
tee, which is also the committee of the
Senator from Idaho, and we will in
vestigate each other with great pleas
ure.
Lodge Tells His Story
"The Senator finds fault that we did
not carry on an investigation in New
York. I am not aware that we have
any authority to carry on investiga
tions.
"Now let me state all that the com
mittee can possibly find out from me
will state 1t now 1t will save time
| was shown copy of the treaty with
Germany by friend of mine who is
connected with no interests, entirely
a private citizen How it came into
his hands, I did not inquire. He is a
man Of the most upright char
aoter If l were at liberty to mention
his name-which l am not-thc whole
country would know that there never
was more outrageous suggestion
than to suppose that anything could
have come into his hands by corrup-
ton. 1t came to him, I have not any
question, in perfectly legitimate
way; | have no knowledge how"
"Day before Yesterday" said Senator
Thomas. "the Senator spoke of four
copies Of the existence of which he has
knowledge"
"1f the Senator will allow me-"
smiled Senator Lodge, "to tell my poor
little story in my own way, will come
to that"
"Mr. President" said Mr.. Thomas,
81 stand rebuked by the unconscious ar
rogance Of conscious power, and will
take my seat"
Examined One Copy
"That copy had an opportunity to
examine-at least, one article Of it,
continued Mr.. Lodge. "The text Of the
treaty covers 20S folio pages. The
whole treaty, French and English text
both, covers Ais. The English text
covers 2O8 folio pages, as | recall
small folio pages. The only part that
| acquired any sort of familiarity with
was an article at the end which seemed
to be a sort of addendum to the body
of the treaty with Germany. because
it had nothing to do with the peace
with Germany, but which established at
great length think it is as long as
the league of nations article; that is a
mere guess, but | should think so-a
great and permanent organization for
the Observation-Disclosures of labor-a
very interesting article. l was after
ward told by another gentleman,
wholly unconnected with any great
business or financial interests in any
way, that he also had a copy which he
would allow me to take and examine at
length, and l told him l preferred not
to take any copy to bring here, be-
cause any copy that was put into my
hands l should feel it my duty to make
public.
"Now. it was this gentleman who said
to pe that he knew of four copies in
New York. That is merely hearsay.
know personally of only two.
IL saw nobody representing q fnan-
cial interest. l did not go within two
or three miles of Wall Street. There
fore I cannot bear testimony as to the
possession Of copies Of the treaty by
financial interests. But it was stated
by the State Department. when they
were explaining what | had said and
what had seen, although the State
Department was not with me when
saw it. They said that they thought
must have seen parts of the treaty
which were in the hands of financial
interests in New York. I suggest when
you begin to investigate, to investigate
your own department at the start.
They said that publicly 1t was pub
lished in the newspapers
Nobody has denied the presence Of
those copies here or in New York. Of
course, there is 81 copy here in the
State Department, and have no doubt
that Senators more favored than | have
seen it. But those copies are here
How they came do not pretend to say.
They must have come from Paris.
They must have been given out by
somebody who has control of them.
do not pretend to say who did It, l
only know they are here in this coun-
try, and on the authority of the State
Department they are in the hands of
some Of the financial interests. That
is not my statement"
"Will the Senator state who in the
State Department made that statement
and to whom it was made?" asked SEN
ator Hitchcock.
"Mr Franklin Polk made it," said
Mr.. Lodge.
"To whom ?" asked Mr.. Hitchcock.
He made it to the press, and it was
printed in the press that evening" re-
piled Mr.. Lodge.
"The Senator is willing some times
to take the press statements, but
notice on other occasions he discredits
them," said Mr. Hitchcock
III am not fond of speaking of private
conversation" said Mr. Lodge, "but l
know personlly that the statement was
given. That is all l can give in the
way Of testimony. That is all shall
give. 1t would be on my part gross
breach of faith to state the names Of
the two gentlemen, who are friends Of
mine, who told me they had copies.
That | shall decline, of course, to give,
but anything beyond that question,
which the Senator from Nebraska
thinks he will find serviceablc, shall
be only too happy to give. and l will
call before the committee every one
whom | can think Of to suggest"
Including the peace commission"
suggested MIR. Brandegec.
"Ycs, including the peace commits
sion If / can reach them," said Mr..
Lodge. II shall be very glad to find
out the whole of it. hut that i. +ho