The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-07-22

| and overpreparcdness >or the sole pur-
pose Of educating and causing people to
| think. I knew that.
Q. You knew that they were going cut
as your views and not Delavigne's?
A. Yes.
Q. Although you now say Mr.. De-
lavigne put 1t in that language?
| A. Yes.
| .. Now, going back to the question
that we we're referring TO. you don't
seem TO be very clear what a condition
OF anarchy would be, do you, Mr.. Ford ?
A. War, i guess. Is a condition of
anarchy. as much as anything.
Q. War Is a condition OF anarchy?
A. Yes.
Q. Anybody who was in favor Of war
would be an anarchist?
| A. Not in favor of war
! Q. Isn't any one who is In favor OF
anarchy an anarchist?
| A. I was in favor OF war when we
got into it.
. q. Do you question that man who is
IN favor of anarchy is not an anarchist?
A. He might not be.
! Q. Can you suggest how anybody who
Is In favor of anarchy might not be an
anarchist?
/ A. don't know. I cannot suggest
anything
Q. You cannot tellr
A Maybe in favor OF some phase OF
It.
Q. What phrase?
A. Might be in favor of some OF it.
O. You would not recognize that a
man who was in favor OF a continuation
OF anarchy would be an anarchist. do
| you?
| A. don't know. I am sure
! O. Mr.. Ford, the issue In this case. as
We understand 1t. is simply this: That
I there was in Mexico and in Texas along
the Mexican border q condition OF
anarchy.
| A. don't know whether 1t was or not
| .. That was our contention.
A 1t was not war.
Q. What was it?
| A. called 1t riot. tho other day, and
you said aggression of some kind.
.. What do you mean by a rioto
A. Some one hired to attack somebody
! else perhaps.
: Q. You understood that bandits from
Mexico were crossing into the American
/ territory and killing our people, didn't
you?
: \. read something about It.
! 9, You told us repeatedly that YOU I'M
|
there in 1916, at the very time you were
! putting out these advertisements.
a. / understood II from the papers.
Q. You were advertising 1t for the
purpose of preventing the Government
from getting forces to go down there
and aueu that trouble or riot or what
| ever 1t was?
A. A great many people thought that
we had plenty of protection.
| @ i call VOnr attention TO the fact
| that the President said he did not have
troops enough to patrol the border. let
| alone defend it.
Congress Divided, He Says.
| A. Lots OF people thought that we had,
and Congress waS divided about It.
Q. Tell me the usme OF single Con-
gresham?
| A. ! cannot; no.
| Q. Tell me the name OF single man
outside Of Congress who said the Presi-
dent was talking fiction?
| A l do not know any.
| q. Now. going back to me advertise
ment in which Delavigne said the Presi-
dents statements were fiction and were
not true that is a fact, isn't It.
A. That the Presidents statements
were just fiction?
Q. Yes, the Presidents statements
l
| statement was just fiction. these stories
don't you recall that?
| A. No
Here Stevenson refreshed Ford's
recollection by reading portions OF the
preparedness advertisements.
z. Now. you recollect that talk about
Action was right don't you?
A think the President himself said
that
| n To-. - ,,,o,,ant Tha question "a
Were not these statements made by you
in Humanity and Sanity" In April 1915,
tust after the President had made his
| speeches throughout the country?
A think they were.
q. And they were made for the pur-
pose OF counteractng the influence OF the
President. weren't you?
A. They were made because we were
on that side; on the opposite side. yes,
| sir
Q. And for the purpose Of counteract-
ing the influence OF the President.
weren't they?
A. They were made because We we're
on that side. would like to straighten
that up, or out. If his honor does not
understand II.
Q. You mean that the President took
one side and you took the other?
| A. The President was on one side and
I guess we were opposed at that time.
yes. sir.
@. The President was trying TO infiu-
ence the enactment OF appropriations or
provision for appropriations to increase
the army to protect the Mexican Dor
der. wasn't he?
A. suppose he was; I don't know
about the Mexican border.
Q, Didn't you know about the Mex
lean border; didn't he speak specifically
| Of the Mexican border, and say. n
haven't even troops enough TO patrol
the Mexican border?'
A. Wei, ] know that I was only.
against q large army for aggression.
| Q. Now. just moment, Mr.. Fed
We will settle this matter very much