The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-08-20

ritorial integrity and political indepen
dence Of its various members It will b.
in the course of ten years. and there 4
no objection to having some time limi
on the treaty
The President-Only a psychological
objectioH-the sentiment between tn
two countries.
Senator Brandegee-The other alter
native IL to guarantee II forever or unit
the council Of the league loosens from II
is II not7
The President-Yes, when,the coun
ell Of the league will exist, among other
the uses should be that the whole inter
national influence could be brought I,
bear for the management OF all thes'
things will be present there to brinl
about this rearrangement.
Senator Brandegee-Yes, understant
that But the fact that we have q
vote to loose ourselves does not hell
us. as unanimous action is required BY
nine gentlemen, any one of whom car
prevent us.
The President-No, Senator, but tn,
diplomatic relations of the differen
countries in that council will be suci
II I may Judge that these things may
be accomplished.
Wilson Admits He's Optimistic.
Senator Brandegee-That Is an Opt
mistio view to take, II you will pardon
my opinion about It
The President--Perhaps Il is
Senator Brandegee-1 want 20 cal
your attention to this era of good feel
ing which exists between the allied
and associated Powers after their com
mon experience and suffering in THU
great war. It may not always exis
In view OF future commercial contest,
and separate interests OF different ma
tionalities which may occur in the fu
ture. and what some OF us feel is tina
we ought to be careful in making thest
definite international engagements which
we are wisely determined to carry ou
in good faith II we should make them
and we feel that now is the time e
understand exactly the authority W,
are to be held TO before we affix oui
signature, and have no doubt that 70,
agree to that
The President-Yes
Senator Brandegee-I want to ask you
word or two about this so-called
American draft. The American draft Of
the league which was sent to us In re.
Spouse to the Senate resolution was tn,
Draft which was submitted by the Ameri
can Commission to the conference
abroad7
The President-No.
Senator Brandegee-It was the DRAFT
which was submitted by you as the head
Of the American Commission to the
American Commission. Is that correct
The President-Why, Senator, 1t wat
done as all other things OF this sort were
done over there. We circulated the draft
among the representatives of the four
teen States who were represented in the
general Lague of Nations and they had
ten days or more to examine It. I also
submitted 1t to my colleagues, not fol-
any formal discussion. but in order to
have their opinion IL they chose to ex-
press IT. Then when the commission got
down TO its real work they appointed a
committee.
Drafting of Documents.
Senator Brandegee-of the commits
sion?
The President-No. of two officers OF
the commission. Well. they did form a
committee, but that committee employed
the services OF two technical advisers
Mr.. Miller was one Of them and Mr..
Hurst, not the Mr.. Hurst that Mr. Miller
mentioned.
Senator Brandegee-He gave his In
itials as c. J. b
The President--I have forgotten the
initials t....
Senator Brandegee-He said he wat
an employee of the British State Depart
ment.
The Presdent-Yes, he is a very able
man. He was on the general drafting
committee of the treaty. and Mr.. Miller
took the various documents that we
have been reading and discussing anc
made a combined draft, and It was thai
combined draft which was the subject
of formal discussion and amendment
and addition by the committee.
Senator Brandegee-And that was tht
combined draft; the one that you sem
to us the other day.
The President-No. Secretary Lansing
was asked for It.
The Chairman-It was a composite
draft. II came IN yesterday.
Senator Brandegee-i beg your par
don. I did not know about it, Was there
any draft, no matter how incomplete
any skeleton draft or enumeration oil
substance for a draft for the so-calleC
American plan for the covenant of thu
League of Nations which you took will
you from this country and was prepared
over there by you?
Inc fTeSlucHp-OAlly INC OHc lndI
referred to earlier In this conference
Senator. when had taken the Fillmore
report as more or less OF basis OF my
work upon II.
Senator Brandegee-That was tn,
only thing that you had in the nature o.
a skeleton draft when you left thu
country?
The President-Yes
Senator Brandegee-Did the Fillmor,
draft or report, whatever the proper
term may be. contain anything like VIVA
is how Article X of the covenant OF th'
league?
The President-Let me say this in re
gard to Article X. I believe It is to b,
a part OF the history OF It. 1t is so fai
as l am concerned. Early In my admin
istration. as think. many of the mem
bers know, I tried to get the American
States, the States of Central and South
America, to join in with us In an ar.
rangement in which a phrase like thi:
constituted the kernel that We guaran
teed to each other territorial integrity
and political independence. Under 9
Republican form of government" wal
ADDED in that case. But that is another
matter. AS I represented to them a
that time II was desire on my part al
any rate TO show the way 10 them o
keeping things steady and preventing
the kind of aggression we have seen.
The Chairman-That was the subject
Of the Niagara conference.
Senator Brandegee-The A B C pow
ers.
Tho PRESIDENT don't think It wal
discussed there. Senator. We discussed
II automatically.
The Chairman-It was taken up al
that time.