New-York tribune., 1919-07-17

added: 81 was a murderer just as any
body else was"
You were a murderer"
II was q party to it, one of the
helpers"
"One of the helpers of murder?"
"Yes"
Benedict Arnold and his attempt to
betray his country, and Of the British
spy, Major Andre, through whose cap
ture the Arnold plot was disclosed,
but Mr. Ford said he never heard or
read Of it.
"Do you understand that it is the
duty Of man who undertakes to
educate the people as you did to
paciiism to be educated themselves ,"
asked the lawyer.
"Yes, to an extent answered Mr..
Ford.
Witness said he knew what the Dec
laraton of independence was, but did
not recall details.
he said.
"By the way. what was the United
States composed of before the Revolu-
tion?"
Land, guess smiled the witness.
Factory prepared for War
The Presidents preparedne ss
speeches at Cleveland and Chicago
were read.
on in your book ?" inquired Attorney
Stevenson.
81 believe So"
ibid not you start your propaganda
to oppose the wishes of the President
as expressed in these speeches which
began in January, 1852"
I'VE opposed war"
"ls that a fair answer" protested
the lawyer "President Wilson said
that he didn't know what moment we
would be plunged into war. Your
Concerning Prepare dness' ADVERTISE
mcnt and Humanity and Sanity were
published after these speeches You
were opposing the President, weren't
you?"
awe we're preparing our factory
piled the witness.
"You said yesterday that as 1916
was Presidential year, the President
might be playing politics when he de-
live"ed these addresses" continued
"The Tribune" lawyer.
81 said he might be-"
I'm the interview with Mr.. Acker-
man didn't you say that you had no
objection to an army of 100000 or SO
and you remarked at the same time
that you didn't know what we would
do with 2" .
~ don't remember Mr.. Ackerman
There were some reporters"
"Well, didn't you say that ?"
y
it,"
"And didn't you say that all the
notes on the submarine were political
bunk p"
II don't recall it,"
Ford Defines "Anarchist"
Mr.. Stevenson took up the subject
tion to sending the National Guard to
the border that largely inspired the
writing of the alleged libelous editor
ial in which Mr.. Ford was character
lied as an anarchist.
"You knew there was anarchy in
Mex leo ?" asked the attorney.
* knew there was disorder"
"What is your definition Of an
anarchist?"
zone who throws bombs or over
turns government replied the manu-
laClurer readily.
Your counsel supplied you with that
definition didn't they?"
"No. I always understood that"
"Who was it told you in California
that two men were ready to finance a
revolution in MeXico?"
II don't remember; don't even
know if, he gave me his right name"
"And you said that three bankers
started the European war Will you
name them ?"
Il don't recall saying it,
"Dldn't you say that to Henry A.
Wise Wood of New York"
~ don't read much Of what Mr., Wood
says"
81 don't know of them don't think
said it. l told Mr.. Wood that he was
a slave of the financial interests, ]
remember"
Mr.. Stevenson accused the witness Of
going around making nasty remarks
about people being "murderers and
slaves and takinc refuge in "lapses OF
memory"
Denies Slur at Flag
Mr.. Ford refuted the testimony OF
Mr.. Wood that he said he would haul
down the Stars and Stripes from his
factory.
"Mr. Wood" related the witness
knew l was against preparedness an
be asked how | could fly the America
flag over my factory, as I was doing
and still oppose preparedness. | sait
shat perhaps, after the war. We woul
have a flag Of all nations. didn't ga,
word about hauling down the Star.
and Stripes"
Mr.. Ford was still under examina
ton by Attorney Stevenson at adjourn
ment.