New-York tribune., 1919-06-04

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out by the representatives Of the
Unitd States.
What representatives? ?" demanded
Senator Swanson.
81 suppose some Of the Presidents
followers" said Mr.. Lodge. 81 do not
suppose that he gave them out him
sell"
"What followers" persisted Mr..
Swanson. There are no representa-
tives. | have understood that they do
not represent the United States"
There are no representatives over
there except the Presidents personal
agents." said Mr.. Lodge grimly.
There is nobody authorized to give
out foreign affairs under the Consti-
tuition except the President" MIR.
Swanson retorted.
very we'll, then, they were given
out by his order," said Mr.. Lodge.
Does the Senator make the stateS
ment on his own sponsibility in
quired Mr.. Swanson.
mo, l do not know whether he or
dercd it or not" replied Mr.. Lodge.
Senator Swanson then repeated his
arguments that the Senate should not
demand the text of the treaty as pro-
posed in the Johnson resolution, but
should refer the whole question to the
Foreign Relations Committee.
"On Sale In Berlin
"There is no prcrogative for the For
eign Relations Committee to go through
this farce in order to be told what we
already know is useless" Senator
Lodge insisted. "This is request for
a document which has been given out
in part officially in summary, q
wretched summary, and imperfect.
Other fragments of it, like the one
about the process verbal and others,
have come drbbling out from time to
time. The whole treaty is here in pri-
vate hands. The people who have re-
ceived it were given those copies
abroad. We know as we'll as we know
anything that they are on sale in Ber-
lin"
"All | ask you to do is to refer this
resolution to the Foreign Relations
Committee and allow the Secretary of
State to appear before the committee
and make a statement about the cir
oumstances," pleaded Mr. Swanson
"Frankly, | have to ,much respect
for the committee to go through all
that nonsense" said Mr.. Lodge.
"Of course, the Senator does not
want the information" said Mr.. Swan
son, che does not want the reason"
MIR. Borah interjected here that the
treaties which are in New York did
MT come from Germany.
Il think the Senator from Virginia
Will find that they came under con-
fidential promise,' said Mr. Borah, but,
nevertheless, they are in New York
being discussed and cons dered by a
great many people who are interested
IN the question, but not interested as
is the Senate. They are representing
themselves, while we are representing
a constituency"
Wants No Investigation
'The Senator gives reasons why the
committee should investigate" said Mr..
Swanson.
'No, | do not want any invcstigat
ing retortcd Mr.. Borah. 81 want the
President to know that those people
IN New York have copies and are using
them in public way, which will in
form all Of those who are interested
with them as to its contents. | shall
not assume until the facts have been
SHOWN to the contrary, that when this
IS brought to the attention of the
president he Will withhold from the
people the text of the treaty If the
PRESIDENT has made an agreement with
others with whom he is associated
IN the peace that the treaty shall not
be given out, then there is no reason
why he should not communicate that
TACT to US, but even if that agreement
mas been made, nevertheless a number
OF copies have gone into the hands of
special interests in this country. This.
| am sure, would relieve the President
from any obligation, so he might give
the treaty to the people,"
Thinks Wall Street Favored
Mr. Borah declared after the ad-
Journment of the Senate that it was
obvious that Wall Street is being
favored by some one in touch with
the Administration who is anxious that
the special interests shall be fully
informed as to the complete provisions
of the treaty of peace.
The lawyer who talked to me said
he had sat in at a meeting of the
directors of Wall Street institution" >"
Mr.. Borah said "where a copy of the
treaty of peace was at hand. These
Wall Street men talked over the
treaty. That goes on while the Sem
ate is unable to get the treaty before
it. The trail of the treaty of peace
runs from Paris to Wall Street. and
the thread will be taken up by finan-
clal interests in Washington, and so
on to the Senate. 1t is an amazing
spectacle"