New-York tribune., 1919-08-08

T HE changed attitude of Italian ma
tionalist opinion toward Germany--to
which our own public does not yet
seem to be alive-is specially reflected in
the "Giornale dTtalia" (the organ of the
late Foreign Minister Baron Sonnino),
which at intervals during the last two
months has given great prominence to a
series Of interviews with leading German
statesmen The first and boldest Of these
was that granted by Prince BGlow to
Signor Pascazio tissue Of May g.
Buloto's Eloquence
At first the conversation turned upon
Prince Bulow's Italian relations This
mother-n-law, Donna Laura Mnghetti, and
his brother-in-law, Prince of Camporeale,
died during the war; and his Roman house,
the Villa Malta, to which he hopes to re-
turn Immediately after the signature of
peace. 10 questions regarding Ebert,
Scheidemann and internal German poll
tics, he declined an answer. but when the
question of Italian claims raised he at
once became eloquent. "There IS no doubt
whatever that Fiume is an Italian city
and ought to be ceded to Italy. The
behavior of Orlando reveals a strong
man Sonnino's tenacity will conquer
Sonnino is unique man, a treless
worker. You will see that the Entente
will yield, in the face of Italian resolve"
The princes reference to Wilson's recep-
ton on the Capitol led Pascazio to reply:
"Delirium welcomed Wilson in Italy. You
know very we'll that the Italians have big
hearts and continue to talk politics in a
sentimental tone"
II am surprised" answered B1Iow. cat
England's attitude. I don't know why
France does not openly take your side But
you will see them yield. Fiume is Italian,
just Zara, Sebenico and Spalato are
Italian, and as Danzig is German and that
part of the Tyrol around Botzen which has
become Italian territory"
CAS- a guarantee of the military frontier,
prince"
Certainly. I know it is strategic
necessity, and / recognize the Italian char
acter of the Trentino Italy has shown
wonderful energy; after Caporetto miracu-
lous strength She won the war then"
The conversation then turned, we are told
to the Kaiser at Amerongen, to Generals
Dlaz, Cadorna and Badoglio, to the Adriatic
coast and "to the princes boundess love
for Italy," and ended with "a rivederci
Villa Malta"
Licfino,osky and the League
On June ID the "Giornale dTtalia" gave
even greater prominence to an interview of
Signor Pascazio with Prince Lichnowsky
(dated on the previous May 2o) devoted
to a criticism of the peace Of Versailles
and insisting upon the inpossibilitv of
Gov
trous peace may produce a dictatorship
either from the Left the Right. l con-
slder that all the democracies of Europe,
and above all those which are pacifist, have
the same vital interest in backing and
strengthening the present German regime
French militarism desires to re-
peat the errors committed by Germany at
Brest-Lltovsk." AS for the league of na-
tlons, there is hope that right NAV re-
place force; but I have no confidence in
general agreement being reached on the
basis of such a peace. Germany's col
laboration is necessary. A mutiated Ger
many cannot be the link in free league
of nations. This peace is absolutely un-
acceptable
1.-The annihilation of Germany would be
blow for the future of Italy I, who love
your beautiful country, profoundly dcplore
that there has been war between Italy and
Germany. The blame lies with politics.
Diplomacy has not been farsighted"
after the victory Of the Entente, do YOU
still believe in the European balance of
power?' Never" replied Lichnowsky; "af-
ter such a peace the very idea is ridicu-
lous. This peace establishes the indis
putabe hegemony of France on the Euro
pean continent"
At the close Of the interview Prince
Lichnowsky denounced the extradition of
William II "a bestiality and an act of