Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1919-08-19

| Senate wants them to mean.
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from >ossoohus.,,s coIIs !, and TINT
Germany did nothing about II NJ all and
aftprword contondod tbot so For nc that
vos oonoor,oJ - ,,.oa 400. o,tor 30
which sbo ,,.os roror nor,, Gould
her nosition be iust;fab,v d;snutedg"
r,,p np,,,p,,>.r 40. :,
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.a, "n'cn 'ne 'easue members uhuer
49,, ,eHpec' una preserve us asa'nS'
,S,,,t n"' dss''SSio" Tue terr,'"r'al III
dona dE "uu ~, 'H'S.us po's''.n. "a. ,nurpe"
n,I ~, an li'n'us W NV .'"s.,,
,tia II. va" ''"'u ~ 'use.S,su sSe., Una
'''IS was simply moral oonga''on'
lHE PRESlDENT-"Ge sir. mas
mu"h ms there is no sanction in the
treaty,
SENATOR RORAH-"But there
would be legal obligation so far as
the United States is concerned. if it
should enter into: would il uot?"
'oh'r"uesh'p ana rro'ec'ion
THE PRBSlDENT-"1 would not
interpret it that way. senator. because
there is involved the element of judg-
ment as TO whether the territorial in
tegrity or existing political indepen-
dcn"e is invaded or impaired. In other
words. II is an attitude Of comradeship
and protection among the members of
the league which. in its very nature, is
moral and not legal.
SENATOR BORAH-''f. however.
the actual fact of invasion we're beyond
DISPUTE. then the legal obligation. it
seems to me- am simply throwing it
out in order to get full expression of
views. the legal obligations would i'm
mediatrIy arise If the fact of actual in -
vasion were undisputed.
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,J o,.,,a,'' - oi'o rot tho Local
! ohI;,a.iom Thoro r,isbt ho a verv
stnona r,nroI ohl;c.t;on
Pn'',,.inr - Sonotor NcC,umhcr tho
p.na;1ot .,Ds o;d wv. uouId hovo com
rlo.o froodo,,, of ,hoi,o nc to tho annli .
p";o ~ r,.,
'"',o, ,, VI .uLot 'Lo.ho ,,,uo or,d ho tho
",n -, w. on,I;oation of .
sYS. "' .r ps.;J. ro,,I;od. ..Or1r
KoI.d .o oor.ain r,iclos Tho brearb
~ S.,aI.. x tho ooronont doos
pn;. u.hot 6oro dssi,ratod no nm
or,obotic hovcotf and in that we would
hauo ~ no oboioo
SHZAToR tsSOy-",Jr President.
ouoI mo to sst this question: Suppose
lth.l;, l. no-foIt,v ohv;ous and occented
.Loua :. ton a,,or,ol oogress;on
,,,,or ond l.sn,nose II il
otl, nh,;oss and 6cconfed that II
- ho rsnobod sxcent bv force of
arhs, would va be un%r any 'egal
ooPsat'ohs 10 pnr'Ste
!. Compelling Obligation TO Fight
HHE PRESIDENT No, sir but
,,Io ubouId bn under nm absolutely com
killing moral obliratiop.'
W In renIvinp TO Senator Williams. the
l,ras;dent said again that the applica
Ihi,ity of tho principics contemplated in
the covenant would rest cntirclYs<or
national decision.
Senator Knox referred tosSthe White
. IIouso statement of MayNf0. which. he
said had ouotpd the .Nesident az say
ing that the Freash defensive treaty
would merelv biud the United States tt
Az immedintsyT what she would other
y,;so no hsGnd to do under the leagu,
coveras
l THE PRESIDENT-''I did not use
oud hand, hnt morally hound
WIZ D abat ro,, orc ronoot;rg n.ba,
! Le' .le ."' ." othor ro,rosontot;nos
aoid .of course il is understood VIC
saiu, oi 'ourse' 'luu' 't'ou w
',unrarokod movement Of aggression
van uhproVoNeu n''Nen'n. , " aes,ts'D .ns.
! ana 'nPE Ut ""'' "''""S'' III ''"''
Differ Only on Form
D;soussine further the ouestion Of res
n.;. ,,';.h Senator McCumber IN,
p., r,Nu.iun. W.
, Wv. I;ao o,,r os m .b. form, o1
Wv u,i n,, iI ~ o.;o,,,
a'''on' 'niAH !. -, 10y
practicai iiiis."N' " r"' ~ ~" .,,.
iuton OF rh'ir,a'.on uu. uo "opo ."a
we are at hDefN' 'Vn'e"poi a".o"','
with our acceptance OIL .ne treaty "
D interpret our mora' oohsa''o" ""uo'
that article. ~ 40, .,.
' SENATOR hNoA- Mr' It'sluent
2 is 1t not true that Such matters ar
ordinarily covered oF "'ere tN'"ans
thor nndorstand in this or that sense
or do not so understand"
2 THE PRESlDENT- Yes SIR or
E dinarily."
? SENATOR KNOX-'"That would b