New-York tribune., 1919-06-20

times even the Conservatives And ,h.. :,
priests invectives are somewhat too 49,. wy
and after he has spoken another l.,a.s :.
'he National Democrats may take the p,.,
form TO modify or tone down his word.
But they would not sanction any Nov
which concerned itself with dispensing v,.s
Father Lutoslawsif on the floor of the n;..
asked him about the pogroms-vbv ),
his opinion, were they made. Father
toslawski without hesitating a moms,.
said: sHs
Jews like pogroms; they would paw neo.
pie to make pogroms on them. Thers !,
profit in it. After every pogrom thew ga,
SO much money from their co-relipior,st.
abroad that it pays them 60 have poero,r.
The real brains of the National n.n.
cratic party and the power behind ~.
throne in the Paderewski regime ;s Pr
fessor Stanislaw Grabski. Grabski. Dmov-
ski and Paderewski are the great trumv;.
rate of the new Poland. Professor Grahsr,
Is man of few words, but no step Of inn
portance is taken by his party without
consulting him.
The Bolshevist Front
asked him about the Bolshevist sitr..
ton. He replied:
Poland is at present practically faced
by a Bolshevist front from Hungary to
Lithuania, for the Ukrainian troops IN
Galicia are assuredly poisoned with Boil
shevlsm and can be counted as part Of tho
Bolshevist army fighting Poland. If Ger
many should decide to unite with the Bol.
sheviki of Russia-and Germany will do
anything if she should derive any adyan-
tage thereby-then we are completely sur
rounded by Bolshevik armies.
"The best antidote to Bolshevsm IN
Poland" DR.. Grabski continued, "is to
mobilize our industries as quickly as pos-
sible, and this we cannot do ourselves.
The Allies must help us. We do not ask
from the Allies troops for our armies. but
we ask ammunition, equipment, clothing.
For our factories we ask from the Allies
raw materials. And for both our armies
and factories we ask organizers, military
and industrial. Thus far, however. thu
Entente has helped US very little. I am
not saying this in a spirit of reproach. for
I know that Poland is hemmed in by enc
mics on all sides, and it is difficult for tho
Allies to reach u.s."
The two most conspicuous leaders of the
Socialists are Ignacy Daszynski, publicist
and Andreas Moraczewsk Ingineur, both
former prime ministers. Of the two Das-
zynski is, perhaps, more dscredited, but is
by far the ADLER man. He is splendid
speaker, a trained parliamentarian and
man of the world. He has visited Amer.
lea and he knows Europe.
'Ceose To Be Interesting''
What is Poland's greatest need?n
asked him. He replied:
"Polands greatest need is to cease to be
'interesting.' We must cease being spec
tacular. We must become practical
America, and even Europe, know only tho
spectacular side Of Poland. They have
seen her spectacular people. We must be-
come practical, everyday nation We
must work"
what Of Paderewski?" I asked 1t was
like match to a powder barrel
"Paderewski!" Daszynski fared up.
"Paderewski-it would have been q thou
sand times better for the people of Poland
If we had an earnest working business
man for President than dilettante."
After moment he added:
However, Paderewski is only figure.
head. He is only a trademark. And, be-
sides, his government is only a transition
government"