The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-08-07


Lodge May ask If you ever saw IT
yOurself7
Lodge: was it presented by our dele
Istesf No cir II NAV bava been
.n,sd TO the Commission on the
H'.sua Of Nations. 1t was not pre-
l.n,sd 10 the conference.
Indee; Did you ever prepare a draft
tourself7
Ianslng: No.
Senator Borah (1daho) Mr.. Score
~ could you tell us the difference be-
s-..r the plan which the Americans
resented and the one which was finally
,dOptedT
,.cause they were along the same gen.
Rorah: Do you remember any dis
,rgrdshing features between them?
q. 8. Plan Not Pressed.
Lansing: No, I cannot recall now. 1t
"a. verv early in the proceedings and
n. American plan was not pressed.
porah: No print of It that you know
nj was ever nader
Lansing: do not think Il was ever
printed.
senator Brandegee Comm: I'M
s.rstood the President to say last March
Al the meeting to which Senator Lodge
has referred that these four plans were
discussed before the conference.
Lansing: Not before the conference.
Brandegee: And that he said the
American plan was put aside and the
British plan adopted--or the Gen. SHUTS
nlan-with some modification. / had
assumed that he meant there were four
plans before the conference.
Lansing: No, they were never read
before the conference.
.Brandegee: What plans were consid-
cred by our commission
Lansing: That l do not know.
Brandegee: You say you did not draft
plan. Did not you suggest a plan or
lay something before our commission,
whether you drafted 1t or not, In the
way Of a plan7
Lansing: Not of a general plan, no.
Brandegee: What did you lay before
he commission in the way of sugges-
tons?
Lansing: A general resolution.
Brandegee: What was the nature OF
hat!
Lansing: 1t covered the general prin-
ciples on which the league was to be
oganized. 1t was very brief.
Brandegee; Have you that document
b existence now?
Lansing: l presume I have.
Brandegee: Could 1t be produced
here!
Lansing: Yes
Brandegee: l should like to have It.
What was done with that by our COM
mission?
Lansing: That do not know, sir
Brandegee: 1t was not favorably con.
sdered was It? OF course, 1t was not
adopted.
lansing No; there was no action
taken.
Brandegee Do you know who drew
the plan that Mr.. Wilson calls the
American plan?
lansing No, I do not.
Brandegee: / understood you to sa,
that you assumed that he drafted II
himself.
Lansing: did assume 50.
hot Drafted by N. Y. lawyer.
Brandegee Did you never hear thai
It was drafted by two New York law.
ysrs for him and taken over there BY
him?
Lansing: No; 1 think that is moi
true.
Brandegee: And that that plan was
destroyed. it was 80 absurd?
Lansing; No. / never heard any sucf
thing
Brandegee: And that the other plar
was got up afterward-the one tina
Mr.. Wilson calls the American plan
BY other people?
Lansing: l saw the American plal
about two days after we landed.
Brandesee Did you study 1t thor
oughly or just glance over It?
Lansing: The President read It.
Brandegee: How did It impress you
mean, do you think the present plal
is better than the one that the Presi
dent calls the American plan?
Lansing: I do not quite catch that
Brandegee; 1 do not want you t,
damn the American plan with fain
praise, but l want to know what 4
Your opinion as to the respective merit
OF the two.
Lansing: think. it is a decided i'm
provement
Brandegee: This is a better one?
Lansing: Yes
erandegee: But you do not know VIII
drew the American plan?
Lansing: / do not.
AZ aiucsee' 1 nave mere the new 4 or
bun OF August o, 1919, in which Their
an editorial entitled 1.-THE Fact,
President Wilson, Give Us the Facts.
DO not ask that the whole editorial
printed in the Record, but there is on
particular paragraph that interested m,
II was a despatch from Paris quote
from the New York Times stating sui
9andally that Clemenceau had laid be
iore the committees on treaties OF tn
french Senate and the French Chambe
OF Deputies cable from President WI
son requesting him not to make publ
any Of the notes or documents in rela
uon to this treaty. 1t is uncertai
whether we can have access to docy
not?
Can't Submit Documents.
lansing: Yes. of course, X they +,
iated to certain matters we would hay
70 get the permission OF the other Coy
ernmOnts to submit them.
brandegee: The witness who was hel