The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-07-22

Q. You cannot give an explanation OF
that. You know there would be a differ
ence between an eficient Government
and an inefficient one, wouldn't your
A Oh, yes,
Q. An efficient Government would be
able TO protect Its people in their rights,
wouldn't they7
A. As far as they knew, yes.
Q. For instance, II we were down on
the Mexican border. and we had lot
OF troops there. the Government could
then protect the rights OF the people.
couldn't they7
A. Yes
An Inencient Government.
Q. II they did not have sufficient
number of troops to protect the rights
OF the people they would be inefficient,
wouldn't they7
A. Depends upon conditions, of course.
Q. Can there be any condition about
that, that government who could not
protect. did not have troops enough to
protect its citizens In their rights. and
in their persons. and rights OF property.
would be an inefficient government,
when they were being assailed by ban
dts coming over from Mexico?
A. Might protect themselves.
Q. Who might protect themselvesf
A. People that are there; soldiers
q. am asking you If the Govern
nent did not have sufficient troops, suf-
icient soldiers, to defend them, would
not that Government be Insufficient
A. Yes.
Q. Then we agree about that. Then
the difference between a Government
who is able to protect It's citizens and
one who is unable to Ii the difference
between efficiency and inefnciency. isn't
i,7
A. said yes
Q. Mr. Ford. do you contend that n
man who is advocating a policy to keep
the Government inefficient. unable to
protect its citizens In their persons and
in their property. was not advoc1tir G
anarchy?
A. There is a great difference Of opin-
ion. Mr.. Stevenson.
9. Give me your opinion; am ask-
ing your opinion now.
Not Advocating Anarchy.
A No. they were not advocating an.
archy.
Q. Where do you think that q man
who advocates keeping the Government
unable. for lack OF troops. TO protect its
citizens is not an anarchist?
A. Because an anarchist Is worse than
that.
., You recognize, don't you, that II Is
the duty of the Government to protect
its citizens?
A. As far as II can. yes
Q. Isn't that one OF the fundamental
principles OF government? You have
heard OF that, haven't you?
A. Yes.
Q. Where did you hear THAR
A. I don't know.
Q. Mr.. Delavigne did not tell you that,
did he?
A. don't know where heard it
He Had Heard Of Declaration.
Q. Did you ever hear Of the Declare.
ton OF independence
A. Yes sir.
@ You think you may have heard OF
it, there?
A. Yes. and elsewhere. too.
9. II the government finds itself IN
! able to do It. 1t ought 10 prepare,
shouldn't IT.
A. 1t depends upon how they pre-
pare, l guess.
Q. II it prepared just for sufficient
strength isn't that performing a duty?
A. Yes, sir, II Is, / suppose.
Q. Now, / ask you again, isn't any
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A. He might
c. Did you have any rea son for dis
putting the Presidents statement?
A. 1t wasn't disputed. There WAS a
debate on at that time.
O. what7
A. My knowledge was that thers WAS
! a debate on 1t; that is. there was side,
| and differences of opinion.
Q. The President OF the United States
is supposed 10 know all about 4,
isn't he?
A. | don't know whether ne did or M,
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mean, referring 10 the cut.
A. Yes. sir.
Q. This purports to be Mr., Abbott's In.
terview with your