New-York tribune., 1919-02-05

yes.
Did you talk to OLeary concerning
! DIR. Albert?"
~ think that I suggested to Mr.
O'Leary in 1915 that he should meet
Dr.. Albert
O'Leary and Albert Meet
Wiener then said that he had ar
ranged meeting between the two in
! his (Wiener's) Office in the Aeolian
building, in Forty-second Street.
"How long were they together?"
~ think about half or three-quar-
ters of an hour"
He said he was not present during
/ this conversation. He also said he had
not contributed personally to the Amer
lean Truth Society.
Did you contribute for any one
else? ?"
dyes"
"How much p
Five thousand dollars through Dr.
Albert"
do you mean Dr. Albert, the Ger
man Financial Attache ?"
eyes"
At this point Colonel Thomas Fielder
counsel for OLeary, took up the in
terrogation.
"How did you get this money you
talk of from DR.. Albert 2"
81 received two checks, which I de-
posted to my personal account"
! "Did you think the money had been
contributed by German-American citi-
zens?"
eyes, I thought So"
Interned Nine Days Ago
"Who did you give the money %"
"To the treasurer of the American
Truth Society,""
"Are you a free man or are you
in the custody of the United States
marshall"
~ am being detained" responded
Wiener.
when were you interned? When
this trial was to be put on? ~
about nine days ago"-
AT this point Mr.. Osborne took up
the examination and demanded that the
witness say whether or not he Cos
borne) had anything to do with his
being held on Ellis Island.
Il don't know" answered Wiener, and
J the crowd of O'Leary sympathizers
laughed. They were silenced by Judge
/ Hand. The examination continued
Wiener said he did not remember
/ telling OLeary who DR.. Albert was, but
was under the impression that he
knew from the newspaper accounts Of
/ the attaches activities
Didn't you tell Mr.. O'Leary that
You wanted him to met DR.. Albert, a
representative of the Hamburg Amer
lean line" asked Col Fielder.
No. | don't remember that. | said
to him that the gentlemen SHOULD
meet"
Contributed to Society
Wiener then told how he had con-
tributed the money given him by DR..
Albert to the American Truth Society.
He said he had turned it over in sums
Of from $500 to $700 to Gustave Oops
laff, of Hoboken, treasurer OF the Or
ganization.
Under direct examination by Mr.. Os-
borne DR.. Cronaw said he was an au-
thor and artist and explained that he
first met O'Leary in 1914, when they
talked regarding the establishment of
a periodical. He said:
"We talked over the matter and
O'Leary told me that it would cost
about $4,000 to start periodical. He
asked me if 1 did not have any con-
nections with friendly German-Amer-
leans who would provide the money.
Mr.. OLeary suggested to me that as
| had entree to Count Won Bernstorff
/ could invite him to do it. l said
that l had met Bernstorf once or
twice, but I did not think such a pro-
posal would be successful"
"Did you take the matter UP with
Bernstorff ?"
eyes, sir"
Did you report to O'Leary what
Won Bernstorff had said? .
~ told him Count Won Bernstorff
had turned the matter over to Dr.
Dernburg, and that after ter or four
teen days he said the thing did not in
terest him"
The witness said he came to this
country in 1884 and became citizen
in 1901. In 1914 he wrote a book en-
titled "Do We Need Third War for
independence" and in 1915 wrote one
entitled German Achievements in
America"
During his cross examination by
Colonel Fielder. DR.. Cronaw said he
never had written anything against the
United States, and that the only thing
be had ever given OLeary was a copy
Of the British Black Book.
Friction between OIeary and his
counsel was apparent. Several times
Colonel Fielder turned on the defendant
and protested against his interference
in the conduct Of The case. Once he
said: "M.. OIeary, l am doing the
best J can after .lirty-ivc years ex-
perierce at the bar. If you want to
dc different, do it."
Tie defendants brothers, Arthur and
John, who are acting as counsel in the
case, sided with Jeremiah in his tits
with Colonel Fielder, but they, too, had
heated discussions among themselves
as the oss-cxaminaton continued.
The morning session was taken up
with reading extracts front the Octo-
her, 1877. issue Of Bull" in which
OIeary cha,ged that the money ipter-
ests we're profiting through American
blood and that Wall Street was in CO.
operation with the Overseas money
lords" One extract read:
"Otto II. Kuhn, of Kuhn, Loeb & Co.,
says that Germany must be beaten if
democracy is to survive. Mr. Kahn was
born in Mannheim, Germany. We
would put it another way. Germany
must be beaten if Kuhn, Loeb e. Co. is
to make any money We trust that
Mr.. Kahn viii shoulder his rifle and
do mis- share"
Tire cross-examination Of Wiener
viii be continued to-day. The prosecu-
tion viii introduce az it's next wit
ncsr Mrs. Leo Kelly, former secretary
Of the American Truth Society. She is
the wife Of former manager of the
Bull" company. Her maiden name was
Kurth. 1t is expected she will be on
the witness stand for several DAYS.
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