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A. don't know just how he meant
II In that way. Treason is unlawful.
know that
Q. What do you understand by trea-
son?
A. Anything against the Government
Q. (Reading.) II feel that this cry
for the training OF men to kill other men
and for the placing Of an army and navy
| as burden on the backs OF the people
Is false conception OF patriotism and
treason to the life OF the people," Trea-
son is committed by traitors?
| A. Yes.
Q. That Is equivalent to saying that
you we're charging people who were ad-
vocating the training Of men for pre-
paredness 10 defend the country as
traitors to the country.
They Were Traitor. Aise.
A. Any one that advocatedtcver pre-
psredness. in my estimation for az
gression, were traitors to the country.
Q. We're traitors. You told US yes
terdsy what your idea Of aggression Is.
Now have you changed that to-day.
have you the view OF II. OF what agrees
sion Is, that you had yesterday
A. No.
O. This speaks OF this training Of
men, and that referred to the training
OF soldiers for defence?
A. No, I don't think soldiers for that,
but for overpreparedness and not de-
fence.
Q. Did you ever hear anybody talking
about having an army to invade any
ether country?
A. Yes to invade Mexico.
Q. That Is what you had In mind7
A. Yes, II that is what you want TO
md out.
Q. Men who advocated training OF
men to go into Mexico and pacify Mex
leo were regarded as traitors to the
country?
To "BurRlari.e" Mexico.
A. Not pacify them. but burriarise.
Q. You know of some very famous
traitors. don't you?
A. do not.
Q. You were hera In court when JudEe
Murphy made his eloquent opening in
your behalf, eulogislng you and de-
nouncing the Tribune?
A. Yes
Q. Commencing with all the articles,
Lie No. 1. Lilo No. Q. Lie NO. 3, Lie No.
4 and Lie No. S--Lie No. that you
we're characterized as an ignorant ideal
list. Do you recall that7
4. Yes
Judge Murphy--You are quite mis-
taken.
Mr.. Stevenson-The purpose of this
inquiry Is only as bearing on the ques-
ton whether that Is true or not
a. Whether am an ignorant idealistr
II 1t VIII do any good I will admit that
l am an ignorant idealist
Mr.. Stevenson-If you admit II that
will foreclose the question
A l will admit Just to close Il.
of oil IL
nit It as fact We will stop the in
Quiry.
A. don't know whether Il Is n fact
or not. that is for the jury.
.. II YOU admit It there isn't any.
th1ng for the jury to find out.
Q. II you admit II as a fact, can &C.
cept 1t; but II you admit 1t. leaving II
open TO the jury, l cannot admit II
without going on with It to show II?
Mr.. Stevenson--It is not a matter OF
pure curiosity, but I regard It as es-
sential to the case to show these facts.
Q. Did you ever hear Of Benedict Ar
mold?
A. have heard the name.
Q. Who was he?
benedict Arnold a Writer.
A. have forgotten Just who he Is
He Is writer l think.
Q. What subjects do you recall he
wrote on?
A. I don't remember.
O. DID you ever read anything that
he wrpte? -.
A. Possibly have, but don't know.
Q. Would you be surprised to be In
formed that Benedict Arnold was a Gen.
cral In the American Army who was a
traitor, and betrayed his country?
A. I don't know much about him.
Q. You thought he was writer?
A. thought he was a writer.
Q. In association with Benedict Ar
mold. do you recall the name OF John
Andre?
A. I don't recall the name of John
Andre.
Q. Well let me make this explanation
and see II can refresh your recollec-
| ton. The stores and munitions of the
constitutional army. OF the revolutionary
| army of 1876 were stored at West Point,
New York.
A. Yes.
9. Do you know where West Point ISL
Q. And Gen. Arnold. an American
General. was in charge of those stores?
A. Yes.
Q. That the Federal or American Army
was depending on to carry on the war?
A. Yes,
Explains ArnoId's Treason.
Q. He entered into a conspiracy with
the British General TO turn over all the
munitions OF war that the American
| Army needed In order that the Amer
leans might be defeated?
A. Yes.
Q. John Andre was n General OF the
British army that came to the territory
for the purpose OF completing the ar
| rangements to turn the munitions OF war
over to the British?
A Yes.
G. Returning from there he was cap
tvred?
a. Yes.
Q. After having been offered in ex-
change after tho British Government
| after the American Government had Of
fered to exchange Andre for Arnold, who
| had escaped and went to London and
! there died. That Ia one OF the first
lessons of treachery that I know NJ In
| the United States Don't you recall?
A. don't recall 1t.
Q. Never heard of 1t before?
A. never heard of II before.
Q. As an educator. you assumed 70
| educate the American people?
A. Assumed to cause them to think
Q. You assumed to cause them to
think about the undertaking which you
| called a campaign OF education?
A. Yes.
Q. To instruct the American people
as TO their duties in citizenship In the
matter Of. or at the time OF a crisis?
A. Instructing the people how they
| were exploited.
| O. Do Won know that II Is the dutv Of