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was made to Congress ft was referred
to the Committee on Military Affairs for
the army and Naval Affairs for the
navy?
A. Yes
Q. Now, then. for the very purpose OF
influencing Congress not to grant appro-
priations recommended by the President
and Secretary of War and Secretary of
the Navy, you launched this propaganda
against preparedness?
A. It was launched before that.
Q. This is in April. 1t was after Gen.
Weaver's testimony?
A. Well, didn't know that.
@. Gen. Weaver appeared, according
to your statement in Humanity AMI
Sanity" which was the fact, on January
10. 1915?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. After that time the President made
the speeches that we have called your
attention to?
@. Then you commenced in February
to - antagonize the Presidents attitude
didn't you by Concerning Prepared
ness"
A. did not.
Mr.. Alfred Lucking: That was all
gone over yesterday three or four times.
The Court: l think 1t was. and he
Salu ne dlQ-
@. Now, he says no he did not.
Witness Gets Confused.
Q. Which way are you going to have?
A. There has been so much said on
Court: Did I misquote you?
A. oh. no.
The Court: My recollection was that
way.
A. 1t can be found.
The Court: That you did not agree
with the President?
A That l differed.
Q. He did say that he started on a
propaganda to- antagonize-
| A. G'interrupting) Not to antagonize
q. Or to oppose that?
| A. To take sides against It,
Q. To answer the arguments of the
| President?
A. / don't remember. Mr.. Stevenson.
Q. 1 know, l am not charging that
you do 1t wilfully. Mr.. Ford.
A No.
Q. But nevertheless it is making this
| difficult.
! Mr.. Stevenson: Congress passed a bill,
didn't they, Mr.. Ford?
| A. might have known at the time,
but I don't know now
Q. Now to settle the question that we
were somewhat at variance about, Mr..
Ford, call your attention to your testi-
mony:
! Commencing the latter part OF Janu-
| airy and running down to March some
time. those were the speeches referred
to in your booklet or your newspaper
| advertisement"
Q. Concerning preparedness, we're they
not?
A Yes
| Q. You answered yes you had al
ready said I think, Mr.. Ford, that your
advertisement and propaganda about the
time were put out for the consideration
of the people, with view to counterfeit
ing the influence of the President s
speechs. did you not?
| A. Differing.
! Q. Are you willing to leave it there,
Mr.. Ford?
Wouldn't Change Testimony.
| A. l will have to leave It there.
Q. That is your understanding OF the
correct answer to make to these ques-
tons, is 1t?
A. Well, now, don't know as to that
| Q. Do you want to change your testi-
mony of yesterday, which l have just
read?
A No. sir. don't want to change It
| cannot cnange IT,
Q. Referring to the fundamentals OF
Government under which we live in this
editorial. the editorial continues:
| That Government is permitted to take
| Henry Ford himself and command his
services as a soldier. IL necessary. /,
can take his money for war purposes
and will. Ii can compel him to devote
himself to national purposes.
| The reason 1t did not take the person
of Henry Ford years ago and put It in
uniform Is. first, that 1t did not have
the common sense to make its theoretical
universal service practical and. second
because there had been young men to
volunteer for the service, which has pro-
tected Henry Ford. for which service he
now penalties them"
There was nothing in that about
throwing bombs or overturnlng the Gov.
eminent?
Judge Murphy object to that. as II
speaks for itself.
The court-Take II.
Editorial bad STUFF"
A. 1t is bad stun.
Q. What Is bad about Il?
A. The whole article is bad.
Q. What is bad? That what I hav,
just read TO you?
A. That part where 1t says the Gov
eminent has not common sense,
Q. Anything else bad about II?
| A. Nothing that I see.
Q. Nothing that you see. You recog
nize that they had a right to command
your services as a soldier II necessary
didn't you?
a. Yes, sir.
Q. Haven't you said many times tina
you would not serve. that you would no
fight?
A. Yes. sir.
Q. at can tax his money for wa
purposes, and will" Nothing wroni
, about that?
, A. Nothing about that.
Q. "It can compel him to devote him
self to national purposes"
A. Only the war part OF 1t Is bad.
O. BY going out in the factory ant
/ learning of the conditions there?
: A. That Is about the way he woult
get It
@. Going out in the factory and learn
ing it there. he found that you did no
want your men to enlist, didn't he?
: A. won't say that 1t was in tn
factory
, @. Where else would he get 1t IL h
} didn't get II from the factory?
A. don't know where he got It
Q. You did in the book, didn't you?
A. II II was in the booklet. As say
Mr.. Delavigne put 1t in the booklet, an
, II he was mistaken
, Educate Other Factories.
Q. You said you were going to edu
cate other factories, didn't you?
A. Against militarism, l guess the
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