The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-07-16

A. Yes, sir
@. BY disarmhg?
a. BY getting prepared up to date.
.. What do you mean by "disarma-
ment," Mr. Ford?
A What we are going to get in a
short time, ! think all the world dis
armed.
Q. What was meant in 1915?
a. All the world disarmed. That is
what disarmament is.
Q. You were talking about the United
States in this. were you not?
\. I was talking about the world
every person, everybody.
q. Were not you talking distinctly
about the United States, Mr.. Ford? You
said, Let us disarm." or. "let us have
disarmament" You were not talking
about the world. were you?
A. Yes. sir; l meant the world.
q. You meant the world when you
were talking about "us,'' the people Of
the United States?
\. Disarmament everywhere.
Q. SO that what you wanted was for
this country to disarm in the hope that
the rest Of the world would follow?
\, think they would have been glad
to.
Q. (Reading) "In all history OF the
world l cannot find one man who has
justified war" ] thought you did not
take any stock in history.
collected to as Incompetent.
q. You said so in 1915 and 1916,
didn't you, that you did not take any
stock in history; it was tradition
A. Yes.
@. You think so more now than then?
a. do yes.
Mr.. Stevenson They charge the Tri-
bune with saying he was ignorant, an
ignorant idealist.
A. I admit ] am ignorant about most
things
Q. Then you admit, when the Chicago
Tribune said in the article OF June 23,
1916. that you were an ignorant idealist.
that that was true
Says He Likes the Banjo.
A. l am not ignorant about all things
q. But you don't know about history?
a. Not very much about history.
Q. And you don't believe in aft?
A. I am coming to like it n little bet
ter than i did
@. You don't care anything about
music2
A never said that
q. You like the banjo and fiddle?
A. like the banjo. yes
q. But history was bunk and art was
no good?
al did not say it was bunk, 1t was
bunk to me. but | did not say
@. 1t was bunk to you?
\. 1t was not much to me.
q. How can you tell how the future
should he cared for without knowing
the experiences OF the past?
A. l did not pay any attention to the
future.
@. What do you mean? DO you think
that you can provide for the future and
care wisely with reference to the future
in matters like preparation for defence
or anything of that sort without know
ing the history of what has happened
In the past?
Mr.. Murphy-Objected TO as argumen-
tative,
The Court--Take the answer.
A. When We got into the war the past
didn't amount to much for US.
Q. What do you mean by history
didn't last a week."
A. In the present war.
@. You mean that history didn't last
what history?
A. Airshlps and things We used We're
out OF date in week.
q l will go back to the question where
you said you would admit that you were
ignorant.
A. on some things.
q. Do you admit the statement of the
article that you complain OF, that you
were an ignorant ideallst?
A. l don't admit that. That would
mean that | was ignorant of every
thing.
q. Are you ignorant of the funda-
mentals of this Government?
A. I don't know what you mean by
the Fundamentals; principles?
.. You don't know what the funda-
mental, principles of the Government
mean?
A. don't understand it, Mr., Steven
son.
Q. What do you consider. the funda-
mental principles .of the Government?
A. Justice. ! think.
@. Do you know that fundamental
principal OF the Government Is the right
OF the Government to create an army,
isn't It?
A. WHo is the government?
Q. Well, who is the Government, | will
ask you?
A. The PEOPLE.
Running the Government,
n Tho nanp1a communication tba, =.