Evening journal., 1919-08-04
REVOLUTION, NOT
REFORM SAYSLININE
continued from First Pase.

Etical aims are TO repel their shame
less, criminal. bandit-like invasion Of
Russia that serves only to enrich their
capitalists.
MANY times we have offered peace
to these States but they have not even
answered and continue to war upon
US. helping Denikene and Kolchak.
plundering the Murman and Archangel
regions, and devastating especially in
eastern Siberia where sthe Russian
peasants offer the most heroic resis-
tance to the brlgands OF capitalistic
Japan and America.
Our further economic aim Is a single
fraternal union Of workers and toilers
OF all countries without exception
Japan and the United States included"
Question: Under what conditions
would you conclude peace with Kolchak
and Mannerheim ?"
Answer: "They have been exposed
many times. For example, William Bull
lett conducted negotiations with us and
with me personally in Moscow in the
name of the United States government
also in our letter to Nansen. It is not
our fault if the United States and other
governments fear TO publish these docu-
ments and conceal the truth from the
people.
81 Yill remind you OF one OF our
fundamental conditions-we are ready
to pay all debts to France and other
states, provided there Will be real peace,
namely peace signed formally and con-
nrmed by the governments of England,
France, the United States, Japan and
Italy since Denikine, Kolchak, Manner
helm and others are simply pawns in
the hands Of the Odessa governments"
Question: HAS the Soviet program
undergone reforms or changes since, the
OF your government?"
Answer: 'The Soviet government did
not have a reformist governmental pro-
gram, but a revolutionary one. Reforms
are secured from the dominating class
while the'latter's dominition continues
consequently, a refOrmist program
consists generally OF many points in
detail.
our revolutionary program consist |
ed, generally speaking Of one point |
overthrow Of the landowners and capi- |
ialists yoke, Wrestling the powers from /
them, and liberating the working /
masses from their exploiters.
"Ihis program we have never altered. 1
Separately various measures aiming at
The realization Of our program have
Dften been subject to alterations,
OF which would occupy a
volume.
Il win point out only one point in
'ur governmental program, regarding
Which there were probably the great
st number Of alterations namely !
the resistance Of exploiters
ollowing the revolution Of July II,
9i7.
I'VE did not even close the capitalist
'apers and there was not even talk OF
error.
1--WE not only freed many Kerensky
minister's but also released Karasshoff.
Who made war. It was only after the
apitali.uc expioiters began developing
heir resistance that we began to crush
heir resistance applying even terror.
1.-THE Czecho Slovaks are supported
y Anglo-French money while Manner !
elm has German-French funds.
THE unsuccessful conspiracy aimed !
{ the surrender Of Petrograd by OIL I
srs was possible by the Swiss legation
in the conspiracy, using /
nglish and French capital TO employ a
any Russian employees. Z
Question-"What is the real charac- &
r Of the activities which the Russian I
)viet government is carrying on In !,
fghanistan and India as well as other G
countries?" e
Answer-"These activities are the o
me as ours among the non-Russian q
'ople within Russia. We made it pos I,
bic to create their autonomous repuD- r
, with Russia. il
I'VE help all independent free devel- 8
ment of every nationality to increase cl
d spread for which we offer the most c:
roic resistance toward the brigands +.
d capitalists Of japan and the United Il