New-York tribune., 1919-07-16

"You state in this book that rhere
was a ring trying to drive us INTO
war" continued Mr.. Stevenson.
Can you give US one member of
that ring?"
"No."
Gould you then >"
Il don't know that I could"
so you wrote this without knowing
anything about it?"
On hardly that. had read some"
president Wilson was one Of those
who urged the preparedness which
you call murder?"
"Overpreparedness; l am strong for
preparedness now"
You were not in 1915"
thought our preparedness at that
time was adequate"
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Not for the oppressed"
witness said that he considered pro-
fesslonal soldiers-those who made
their living out Of it-murderers.
That includes General Pershing ?"
asked Mr.. Stevenson
Those who commit murder are mur-
oerers. II war is murder, then pro-
1esslonal soldiers are murderers."
The matter in the pamphlet was
one
of Mr.. Ford's publicity men.
II authorized them and am respon-
sible,' said the witness. "Of course,
didn't know what was in them"
Did you know what was in your
widely published page advertise
opposing preparedness %
Il don't believe l read that. l sent
out many things to make people think,
without reading them" said Mr. Ford.
I'm 1915 you told Tribune re-
porter that you had no belief in his
ton ?" u q
II think so now more than ever" ad-
mltted elmanufacturer
But you write that in all history
| cannot find one man who justife
war;" queried the lawyer.
Mr.. Delavigne wrote that"
I'll hat was another of Mr. Delavigne' 5
IDEAS"
"Oh, was responsible"
Says History Is Bunk"
The witness reaffirmed that, so far
as he was concerned, history was
bunk" and music and other arts of
no interest.
was right when it called you an ig-
norant idealist?" persisted Mr.. Steven
son.
Did the editorial say that"
Yes"
Well, I am not ignorant of all
things"
"Automobiles, for instance %
Yes"
Well, do you admit that you are an
ignorant idealst?"
No, l do not
You admit, then, that you are mere
ly ignorant of many things"
yes"
We'll, let US see, what are the fun
damental principles Of our govern
ment?"
That is a large ORDER" said the
WELL" continued Mr.. Stevenson,
can you change Congress without an
election?"
Il think we can change Mr.. New
berry," countered the witness amid
Then you still wish to be Senator -
asked the lawyer.
NO." answered the manufacturer
with emphasis.
Mr.. Lucking in arguing an objection
stated that the booklet from which
Mr.. Stevenson read to show that Mr..
Ford was opposing the Pres ident was
composed Of articles obtained before
the President made his speeches, and
therefore could not have been designed
to oppose him.
Mr.. Stevenson stated that one of the
Presidents addresses on preparedness
was made to Congress in December,
1915, while the Ford advertisement
lished il 1916. Humanity and San
ity" also was published in 1916.
When the examination was resumed
Mr.. Stevenson asked what was the
cause of the war Of 1872.
Can't Remember the Maine
81 don't know answered Mr.. Ford
frankly.
What was the Civil War of 1861
about"
Slavery" smiled the witness.
And the war with Spain ?"
"To free Cuba"
"W asn't there some act that precipi-
tated this war-the sinking of the
Maine?"
II don't recall"
Mr.. Ford said he believed the plan
for a league of nations should be
adopted, in order to end war for all
time.
"Unless we have the league we should
prepare up TO the NIT lot war, SalO
Mr.. Ford
"No war threatens now" said Mr.
Stevenson.
I'VE want to end it now for all time. =
"You think there should be a great
war now unless we have a league of
nations?'
II think So"
For Preparedness Now
you think now that preparedness
would be an insurance against war
don't you?"
eff it was used Immediately to clean
up the situation"
Are you in favor of having a great
army now to go over and clean it up"
Yes; unless we get league of ma
tons
so if we do not get the league you
want this country to go to war again ~
II want them to clean it up now for
all time"
In the course of his further exami-
nation Mr.. Ford said he had no doubt
General Pershing would admit that as
professional soldier he had COM
mitted many murders.
The subject of the San Francisco
preparedness day bomb outrage was
brought up by Mr.. Stevenson, who
sought to establish an analogy be-
tween the men who melted the bomb
throwing and Mr.. Ford's own propa-
ganda against preparedness.
~ am against over-preparedness. >.
phrase six times as his only reply
when Mr.. Stevenson pressed his ques-
ton in different forms.
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