The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-08-07

ment made In favor Of Japan in order 4
| got Japan'p signature 20 tire tresty7
| Lansing: should not say 30; I hav
not enough Information. think Japan
signature would have been occurred any
how.
johnson: To leave out the shantun,
proviso would not have endangered tn
formation Of the League Of Nationsf
| Lansing; No. II It had been lef
out we would have had all the sigma
lures we got and one more t
Johnson; China's, you mean3
LansinE: Yea
J johnson: Then how was the poin
yielded to japan?
Lansing: Because tho matter wal
subject 10 the decision Of the President
We were his representatives. do moi
| recall that he gavo us his reasons n
| any time. I never discussed II with
Col. House. I don't know his view
| about II.
Hitchcock A. understand. this diff
ference Of views was mentioned by Mr.
Lansing to the President In converse
| tion and the President asked him TO put
his views in writing.
Lansing: Some opinions had been ex-
pressed In conversation and later were
put In writing.
Open Covenants Impossible.
johnson: open covenants Of peacs
| openly arrived at" Was that ideal i'm
possible of fulflment at Paris?
Lansing: OF course. public negotis-
lions between nations in such matters
were impossible. The principle wa,
obeyed.
Johnson The freedom OF the seas
what was done about that?
Lansing: II was never taken up at all
Johnson Did England object7 II
has been said that she would not per.
nit the subject to be even considered
at all.
Lansing: There was mover any such
johnson: Then why was It not con-
sidered?
Lansing: I don't know.
Senator Borah introduced q remark
, just at this point that drew laugh
That's a case Of one election pledge
that was kept, anyhow" he said
Senator johnson was interested In the
fate of the fourteen points" He wanted
to know If the one in favor OF reduced
ornaments Of the nations had been com.
piled with.
Lansing So far as possible, yes. II
moral obligation to do IT, That is true
Of practically all the provisions. Each
nation has veto on any recommended
ton. No loss Of national sovereignty Is
involved.
johnson: How about the point declar-
ing that colonial claims should be set
tied with equal regard for the inhabitants
Of the territory and for the claims OF the
Governments? Has that been carried
out7
Lansing; Not entirely yet. hope II
will be through a system Of manufactures.
None have been taken by the United
States, tentatively or otherwise. Many
have been suggested for the United
States.
johnson: Here is the point about the
evacuation of ali Russian territory. Has
that been executed?
Lansing No, nothing has been done
about Russia.
johnson: Here Is the one about Bel
GUMS restoration. I assume that has
been provided for also the one about
restoration OF occupied French terri
tory. Then there Is the pledge that the
Italian boundaries are TO DE estab-
lished on lines of nationality. Has
that been done?
Lansing: II IL not yet finished.
r johnson Then the point dealing with
the reorganization of the peoples OF
Austria and Hungary with View to
seff-dsterTnination Of peoplesi has that
been done7
Lansing: Yes.
work Not Yet Finished.
johnson: Serbia and the Balkans.
Has the pledge as 10 their reorganization
been kept7
Lansing: That has not been finished.
The treaties are not yet completed.
johnson: The pledge as to restoration
OF Poland7,
Lansing That had been done.
johnson: You believe the fourteen
points have been substantially executed.
then1
Lansing: Yes
ment vioiative of the principles OF any
one Of the fourteen points2
Lansing: or what one?
johnson OF the pledge Of self-deter-
mination OF peoples-that was contained
in one Of the subsequent addresses which
were included along with the fourteen
points. you know.
Lodge: On July 4, 1918, at Mount
Vernon the President laid down four
more points. One Of these provided that
all territorial settlements should be
made with primary concern for the IN
terest Of their inhabitants and not the
interests of other nations That seems
TO have covered the Shantung case.
Johnson: The Shantung settlement
seems to violate that.
Secretary Lansing made an answer
that was inaudible and Mr.. Brandeges
n sked that Il be repeated.
johnson: The answer was In the ar
nrmative, was It notf
Lansing Yes
Borah: Mr.. Secretary, have been In
formed that. the President notified the
Chinese delegation at Paris about the
decision an TO Shantung. and why II
was made in favor of japan. Do you
know whom the President sent to notify
the Chinese of this decision against
them?
Lansing: don't know. did know.
but cannot now recall.
Borah: Can you get me the inforTna-
ton7
Lansing: 30 far as know there was
no such memorandum.
johnson: Were the Chinese denied
the right to sign the treaty.
Lansing: do not know ! have
heard It stated. but am not informed.
That is a matter that would be decided
by the authorised heads Of States.
Did Not Hear OF Police Plan.
johnson: In the American draft for q
League Of Nations was an international
police power. to be contributed to by
the different nations. inciuded7
Lansing: don't know; I think not.
johnson: have read n dramatic
story OF how the existence OF the secret