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drives the employees into the union be-
cause otherwise they cannot get work.
We don't antagonize the unions, but are
not obligated to contract with them II we
feel that unionism is not good for either
employer or employee"
isn't It a substantial notice to the
men that the company does not want
them to belong to unions when you re-
fuse to meet the union officials? What
is the good OF union II the men cannot
confer with their employers through 1t?
Is II merely social organization?" in
quired Senator Walsh.
1.-THE organized labor leader should not
be allowed to talk with the employers in
behalf of the men when he knows that
the company does not make contracts
with the leaders of unions. and especially
when the men are not requesting It," re-
piled Judge Gary.
I'VE are willing to hear committees of
our own men; they are always welcome.
In this case the labor leaders were not
our employees. They were organizing
the men in our mills, although the men
had not asked them to do SO. They had
nothing to do with our business"
III that il so how did they get your
men to striker" asked Senator Walsh.
Ten or Is per cent. had already
Joined the union" replied Judge Gary.
That was accomplished after a long
campaign. They then called out all the
men as part of their plan to organize
the mills, which they had been unable
to accomplish otherwise. They wouldn't
even wait on the PRESIDENTS request for
delay. The 10 or Is per cent. OF course
quit and started intimidating the others.
who naturally in some cases stayed at
home"
When you say the union leaders did
not represent the men what facts have
you to prove that statementT asked
Senator Borah Udaho).
How Gary Gets His Facts.
Information from~the men directly,
reports from the foremen and from out
siders in a position to get the facts.
Also we received many letters from our
men, $4,000 of whom are stockholders.
Sometimes they come to our meetings
and make speeches. I have some OF
these speeches here Here is a newspaper
clipping describing conditions at New
Castle, Pa. showing that circumstances
were satisfactory, the men well salts
fed. Our welfare department spends
millions, and the welfare committees in
clude about 5000 men, who are en-
ployees"
confer with you had been composed of
employees OF your corporation would you
have received them?' asked Senator
Kenyon.
Yes, I would, unless they had come
specifically as union officials. In that
case 1 don't know what / would have
done, for the situation was not pre-
sented. II committee had come rep
resenting the workers in q particular
mill would have received them.
"It all comes to the one question of
the open or the closed shop. If you
recognize unions that recognition forces
all the men to join the union, because
those who don't belong cannot work. We
stand for the open shop, asking no ques-
tons as to whether a man does or does
not belong to the union. We have had
many union men, and II few have been
discharged, which l deny. 1t is contrary
to our instructions and would cause the
offending foremen to be disciplined IL
the offense were repeated"
1.-THE newspaper reports said you
would not arbitrate,' said Senator
Borah. 1T seems to me that underlying
all this is a fundamental issue. and that
your policy is guided by you about It.
Aside from wages and working hours
the country would like to know what is
this fundamental issue making II impos-
sible for you to arbitrate."
Open or closed shop Is Issue.
THE fundamental issue is the open or
closed shop" replied Judge Gary. "All
men are permitted to work. whether they
belong to the union or not, but It is we'll
known all over the world and the opin-
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