The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-07-22
WEAKENING US.
NOT ANARCHY,
FORD INSISTS
Still Regards Advocates Of
Bigger War Forces as
Murderers.
BoMBERs ONLY EXCITED"
Mexican Troubles Of 1916
Riots, Not a Condition Of
Anarchy.

MOUNT SLEhBNcs Stty 49,
Henry Ford resumed the stand at noon
to-day in his suit against the Chicago
Tribune TO meet a heavy assault OF
questions from Elliott @. Stevenson. OPP
posing counsel who sought to lead the
manufacturer into admissions that the
very things he complained were dam
aging TO his reputation were in fact
anarchistio and therefore justified the
publication Of the editorial for which
he desires 81, 100000. The earlier part
Of the morning was taken up with legal
arguments. during which the court
warned the attorneys that the Jurors
are fretting under the length Of the
case and want to get back to their
farms.
Mr.. Stevenson conducted verbal
duel with the witness, with Alfred Luck
ing and Alfred J. Murphy, the plaintiffs
counsel, interfering frequent objections
Mr. Ford did not answer questions as
freely as he did last week. Questioned
whether he thought conditions In Mex
leo and in Texas In 1915 constituted
anarchy. he declined to answer directly
and insisted that he did not understood
some OF the questions.
one who countenanced anarchy Is an
anarchist said Mr.. Stevenson conf
IDENTIFY.
Mr.. Ford refused to admit It
Asked whether he could tell the diff
ference between trouble on the Ameri-
can side" and anarchy, the witness said
he could not tell.
attorney.
Bomb Throwing Anarchy.
"one who throws bombs ia an anar-
chist."
The men who threw bombs at the
preparedness parade were Anarchists
weren't they?"
II don't know whether they tried to
overthrow the Government. They may
have been excited
Wasn't that the purpose OF your
propaganda, to get men excited against
the men who were for preparedness
Mr. Ford was not sure of the mean
ing Of the qeustion, but finally answered
that he was trying to get people to
think.
question. You have given US. Nj
Ford, your definition OF anarchy as
understand your
A Yes.
O. And that was that an anrchist was
a bomb thrower or some one VINO
wanted to overthrow the Government
A. Yes
@. I suppose you recognize, Mr.. Ford.
that in Mexico. In 1915. the spring OF
1915. there was anarchy did not YOU no
Government that was ersctive TO protect
the interests of the people?
A. There was trouble.
O. You have told US about that. but
that doesn't answer my question.
A, I don't know whether II was an
archy or not.
O. There was disorder. and no Gov
eminent, wasn't 1t SO?
A.. I don't know whether there was
any Government or not.
Q. You knew that there were contend
ing factions down there quarreling and
fighting for several years?
A. Yes.
Q. And that they had driven out all of
the peaceable people there were there.
who had been driven out for fear that
they would be killed; that was true.
wasn't it?
A. didn't know that
O. understood you to say the other
day that you did recollect thatf
A.No, there may have been some. yes.
O. Didn't you know that Mr.. Bryan
10 come out OF there: that there was
danger that they would be killed?
A I don't remember, Mr.. Stevenson.
q. You don't remember that? Well. l
suppose you would say that man who
undertook to continue or maintain an
archy would be an anarchist wouldn't
you?
A Yes.
O. You would recognize, wouldn't you,
49, IA
side OF the border before the National
Guard went down there, wouldn't you?
A. There was a condition OF trouble.
certainly.
Q. Don't you recognize that as an
archy?
A. I don't know whether It was an
archy or not II was trouble Of some
kind.
O. What Is the difference, in your
mind. between the troubles that you
speak Of and the anarchy that I am re-
ferring to?
Doesn't Know Difference.
A. I don't know what the difference is.
Q, You don't know what the difference
fsY Do you mean to convey the idea
that you do not recognize that, when
hundreds OF miles OF border. extending
back far rs seventy-fve miles In
some places, WheFe these RAIDS went the
people were being terrorized and MUIR
dered and their property destroyed and
burned, there was not a condition OF
anarchy?
A Condition of troubles don't know
whether It was a condition OF anarchy.
Q. i ask you what Is the difference in
your mind between the condition OF
trouble that you refer to and the condi-
tion of anarchy? What would be an
archy according to your mind II that
was not anarchy?
A. l don't know, I am sure. Trouble.
Invasion of some kind.
@, Haven't you any idea OF what an
arrny is?
A. kind OF have the idea that an
anarchist is one who throws bombs and
against the Government.
\ Q. An anarchist who throws bombs
Throws them TO murder somebody?
A Yes. sir.
t Anarchist n Murderer.
O. 10 that an anarchist is a MUIR
,nsFer?
A. Yes. sir.
Q. He is the same thing as a profess
sional soldier. isn't he?
A don't know, / am sure.
@. How would you distinguish? You
have stated that a professional soldier
WAS a murderer. Now YOU say a bomb
thrower, or>an anarchist, is a murderer,
What is the difference?
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