The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-08-07
SAYS WILSON WAS
SOLE TREATY MAKER


Lodge: May ask II you ever saw II
yoursslfr
Lansing: Yea
Lodge: Was II presented By our deie-
gatssr
Lansine: No. cir. II may have been
presented 20 the Commission on the
League OF Nations. 1t was not pre-
sented to the conference.
Lodge: Did'ycu ever prepare draft
YOURSELF
Lansing No.
Senator Borah (Idaho) Mr.. Score
tary. could you tsfi us the difference be-
tween the plan which the Americans
presented and the one which was finally
Lansing: No. do not think could.
because they were along the same gen
eral line
Borah: Do you remember any dis
tinguishins features between them7
U. 8. Plan Not Pressed.
Lansing: No, cannot recall now. It
was very early in the proceedings and
the American plan was not pressed.
Borah; No print Of II that you know
of was ever made?
Lansing: do not think 1t was ever
printed.
Senator Brandesee Comm: 1 I'M
derstood the President to say last March
az the meeting to which Senator Lodge
has referred that these four plans were
discussed before the conference.
Lansing: Not before the conference.
brandegee And that ne said the
American plan was put aside and the
British plan adopted-or the Gen. SHUTS
pian-with some modification. 1 had
assumed that he, meant there were four
plans before the conference.
Lansing: No, they were never read
'oefore the conference
Brandegse: What plans were cons,d-
cred by our commission?
Lansing: That do not know.
'brandegee: You say you did not draft
piah Dsd not You suggest a plan or
Ay something before our commission.
VIII ether you drafted It or not, in the
way Of planf
Lab sing; Not OF general plan. no.
Bran neBee: What did you lay before
the com mission in the way of sugges-
tons? t
Lansing. A general resolution.
BrandegeA What was the nature of
that?
Lansing: It covered the general prin.
ciplen on which the league was to be
organized. 1t was very brief
Brandegee: Have you that document
in exiskence now?
Lansing: I presume 1 have.
Brandesee: CouM it be produced
here?
Brandesees I shodid like to have II
What was done with that by our COM
mission?
Lansing: nat I do not know. sir.
BrandeEee: II was NOT faVDrably con-
sidered was lit OF course. 1t was not
adopted.
Lansing: No; there was no action
taken.
Brandegse Do you know who drew
the plan Chat Mr.. Wilson calls the
American pAan?
Lansing: ayo. do not.
Brandegee, 1 understood you to say
that you assumed that he drafted It
himself.
Lansing: dAd assume 80.
Not Drafted by n. Y.yLRwyers.
Brandegee DID you never hear that
Il was drafted by two New York law-
yers for him and taken over there by
him. ~
r. LANSING: MOI I think that is not
Brandesse: And that tibet plan was
destroyed. It was 30 absurd?
Lansing: No. I never heard any such
thing
Brandegee And that the other plan
was got up afterward-the one that
Mr.. Wilson calls the American plan
by other people?
Lansing: I saw the American plan
about two days after we landed.
Brandegee Did you study 1t thor
oughly or Just glance over 1t?
Lansing: The President read It. /.
Brandsgee; How did it impress you?
1 mean. do you think the present plan
Is better than the one that the Presi-
dent calls the American plan?
Lansing: I do not quite catch that
Brandegee: I do not want you to
damn the American plan with faint
praise. but 1 want to know what is
your opinion as to the respective merits
OF the two.
Lansing: think 1t is a decided i'm
provement.
Brandsgse This is better one9
Lansing: Yes.
Brandegee: But you do not know who
drew the American plan?
Lansing: do not.
Brandesee: have here the New York
SUN Of August 6. 1919. in which there
IS editorial entitled THE Facts
President Wilson, Give Us the Facts"
do not ask that the whole editorial be
printed In the Record, but there is one
particular paragraph that interested me.
It was a despatch from Paris quoted
from the New York Times stating SUBJ
stantially that Clemenceau had laid be-
fore the committees on treaties of the
French Senate and the French Chamber
OF Deputies a cable from President will
son requesting him not to make public
any of the notes or documents In rela-
ton to this treaty. 1t is uncertain
whether we can have access to docu-
ments that We would like to see. Is It
not? @.-
Can't submit Documents.
Lansing: Yes. of course. IL they re-
lated to certain matters we would have
10 get the permits sion of the other Gov
ernmLnts 20 submit them.
,Brandegee: The witness who was here
yesterday, Mr.. Davis. stated that his
records were arriving every day and he
was going to produce some here. Can
he not do that without getting permis-
sion from the other Governments?
Lansing: have no doubt, 50 far as
reports are concerned.
Senator Pomerene tOhio) Let me
suggest that as l understand II Mr.
Davis told US that he kept copies and
that It was these copies to which he
referred.
q Brandegee II ne could not produce
the originals OF course he could not pro-
duce copies either without the consent
OF the other members Of the commission.
" that Is a rule of the commission. It
IL the information he Is to give us no
matter whether II is the first, second
or third copy II II was impossible for