New-York tribune., 1919-10-03
III Will Not,'' His Answer
to Senator's Question
Whether He Would Ar.
bitrate the Differences
Says Compromise
FavOrs Minority
Asserts Solution of Crisis
Is Federal Supervision
of Capital and Labor

SoAS ueCliHIHS W dTDltTHJe CHe StTlKo
of the steel workers, Judge Ebert H.
Gary, head of the United States Steel
Corporation, in continuing his testi-
mony before he Senate Committee on
Education and Labor that is Investigate
ing the strike, declared that Federal
supervision and control Of "concen-
trated capital and concentrated labor"
are the solution of the industrial and
social problems in the United States
THE power of concentrated capital
involves the power to do some HARM"
said Judge Gary. "Concentrated CAPT.
ia! has the advantage over the ind-
vidual if it is in the hands of men
disposed to be unfair. For that rea-
son concentrated capital should be su-
pervised and controlled to prevent
wrongs. 10 the same extent that con-
centrated capital is controlled, concen-
trated labor should also be controlled,
There is no difference. discrimination
is the real evil"
Gary Will Not Arbitrate
Gaty y~spusned the sssggestiont
of arbitration, or compromise, In reply
to direct questions asked bv Senator
Walsh, of Massachusetts. who sug-
gested that the chairman of the Steel
Corporation meet the union leaders
in an attempt to settle the strike.
II will not, because they represent
minority Of the employees" said Judge
Judge Gary denied that foreigners
were, hired by, the Steel Corporation
to check the labor union movement
within the mills. On the contrary. said
Judge Gary, "thc foreigners. under the
leadership of outsiders, are responsible
largely for precipitating this strike"
." as the question of employing for
elgners, who possibly had feelings
against this country, decided by the
board ?" asked Chairman Kenyon.
NO." said the witness. "The ques-
tion was never raised"
But you think foreigners are re-
sponslbie largely for precipitating this
strike? Z"
Eyes, but if we had known there was
a substantial number Of the kind of
foreigners who are resorting to yio-
lence and who, I believe, are under the
leadership Of outsiders, we wouldn't
have employed them"
Wants Only Loyalists
Senator Phipps, Republican, of Colo
the war to secure necessary labor with
out employing foreigners, and Mr..
Gary replied in the negative, adding:
AT no time would we employ man
whom we believed disloyal to this coun-
try, even If it would have been neces-
sary to close down our manufactures. i"
Senator Mcclellan, Democrat, of
Tennessee, asked if the corporation be-
fore the war had imported foreigners
under contract. Mr.. Gary said it had
not, but that before the contract labor
law became effective it was possible,
but not probable, that foreigners had
been imported.
III you have no unionism," Senator
Kenyon asked, who is going to speak
for the men? How can individuals
without unions present their vews?"
Judge Gary replied that, as had been
frequently done, individuals or commit
tees of workmen could present griev-
anccs to foremen, superintendcnts,
managers or even higher officials.
Senator Walsh and Mr.. Gary engaged
in a spirited colloquy over the latter S
refusal to see the labor leaders.
"lf you were convinced that so per
| cent of your men were organized and
represented, would YOU confer with
them ?" asked Senator Walsh.
"No," said Mr.. Gary. "Pm sorry if
differ with you or with others"
"Im sorry for hundreds of thou
sands of suffering families" Senator
Walsh rctorted.
Says Issue Is Fair
Mr.. Gary protested that his position
had not been fairly explained and
added, with careful choice of words ;:
Owe put ourselves squarely upon
the issue that this is a question of
the open or closed shop. Now, as to
what will bring about the closed shop
we must decide, from time to time, de-
pending upon the facts presented.
"At the present time the union lead
ers have brought about this strike
which is no more nor less than an at
tempt Of minority to secure control
Of the interests of the large majority
including not only the employers, but
the employees"
"That's what you say; they say they
represent majority" Senator Walsh
interrupted. "ls there any reason why
we should not leave that TO arbitra-
tion ?"
Judge Gary protested that he hnc
mfnt, but Senator Walsh broke in:
"l want to know. yes or no, whether
you will see any representatives OF
organized labor. Please answer that
yes or no"
"With all due respect said Judge
Gary, with flushed face, IL cannot an
swcr yes or no. If the minority could
succeed in securing control, that woult
bring about the closed shop. There
Continued on ADuue sic