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DEFEAT OF TREATY
APPEARS POSSIBLE
Group Opposed to Any Reser-
yations whatever Gaining
- in Strength.
Now NUMBERS TWENTY
Effort to Reach agreement
+. for a Vote on Shantung
j Amendment Fails. ,.'ae
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WARRINGTON, Oct S.-Thes possibility
o, the peace treaty, being defeated
through a coalition Of the irreconcilables
OF both sides begins to loom seriously.
There are some Senators who win not
vote for ratification. no matter how
many amendments or reservations are
adopted. On the other side some Of the
treaty supporters say they will not vote
20 ratify IL the Lodge programme OF res
eryations is adopted, because they con-
slider these reservations would make Il
q mere shadow of it's original substance.
The hrst group is composed mainly of
Republicans. the latter chiefly OF Demo-
Gratis. II the two together should mus
Ter thirty three votes the treaty would
be beaten. In the first group are now
counted from seventeen to twenty Sena-
tors; The number is growing and lead
ers assert they will surely be- able to
count twenty by the time the vote Is
reached. Others, much more optimistic,
say this group finally will number
trenty-seven or twenty-eight M
This situation has come to be- recog-
sixed as very important one, When
Senator Hitchcock (Neb,), the Demo
cratic leader, first announced that some
Democrats would not vote to ratify II
tho Lodge reservations were adopted the
threat was not taken seriously. but II
A. now known that group Of Demo
Gratis OF uncertain numbers actually are
taking this position. ia:-
Williams Ainens the Number.
Senator Williams (Miss.) said to THE
euN In the most unqualified terms that
he should not vote to ratify II the
Lodge reservations were adopted. He
takes the position that these would make
Americas participation In the League
of Nations a fraud and de.usion and
that he could not with seif-respect vote
TO ratify It.
At least two other Democrats walked
across the party aisle to-day and In
formed Republican friends that they
took the same position. Their names
were not announced. but they vouchsafed
further that there were others of the
same mind on their side.
The possibility OF such a situation de-
yeloping, was suggested during the morn
Ing hour discussion on parliamentary
proceedings 1t was at first merely the
usual effort Of the two sides to reach
q unanimous consent agreement about
debating and a time to vote on the
Shantung amendment. Messrs. Lodge
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Mr.. Underwood GAIA insisted there
was need for haste; the country DC
handed It, and the international situa-
uon gave point to the demand.
ut Is useless to agree to consider
ne shantuns amendment until GER