The sun., 1919-09-07
WILSON FRANK
In A TALK WITH
IRISH PLEADERS
Told Dunno, Walsh and
Ryan Their Speeches
Ruined His Efforts.
TRIED TO AID VALERA
Admits He Didn't Get All He
Sought on Going to
Europe.
TRIED TO AID VALERA
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Special Despatch TO TIE SUI.
WASHINGTON, Sept. 6--The cause Of
the bitter break between President Will
son and the irish Nationalist leaders in
the United States was laid bare to-day
when Frank p. Walsh made public
Transcript of the conversations between
himself and Edward f. Dunno, former,
Governor OF Illinois, on the one hand,
and the President on the other, held
June II in Paris.
Mr.. Walsh and Mr. Dunno called
upon the President subsequent to their
tour through Ireland to urge that Mr..
Wilson use his influence to obtain for
the Nationalist OF ireland q hearing in
the Peace Conference. An appearance
before the big Four was what the
supporters of the cause Of Irish indie
pendence were seeking They had made
application through Mr.. Lansing for
safe conducts to be granted canon de
Valera and his colleagues. Griffith and
Plunkett of the irish Independence
party, and had been told by the Secre
tary of State that their request was
futile. They pleaded there for interces-
sion by the President
The President Thought the Irishmen
were asking too much. He displayed
unwfllingness to take the matter up
Will DdNlu IlOyu GeOTge, Premier OF
Great Britain, and his colleague in the
.'Big Four" This Walsh and Dunno
BRged upon. him with all the eloauence
ut their command, but without avail.
Admits He Didn't Get All.
An interesting feature of the CONVEX
eation was the Presidents admission at
the conclusion of the interview that he
had not got all he came to Paris to
obtain. There were lot of things
I'D hoped for, but did not get" said,
Mr.. Wilson in terminating the inter
view.
The report of the conversation was
made, by Mr.. Walsh, who told the Presi-
dent first of the failure to get from
Secretary Lansing the promise of his
tntercession when the President inter-
rupted Mr.. Walsh and said THAT is
an official request, Mr.. Walsh" Mr.
Walsh stated that he had not been able
to disentangle this official and unoffi-
cial business. He said, what 1 am
talking about is the denial of our request
that the Americans should intervene to
get the safe conducts for these men"
The President saiG, well, of course,
since that time, gentlemen, you know the
Senate has passed a resolution upon the
subject" and Mr.. Walsh replied, swell
the point of our request to-day is that
II we are to assume that these men are
not going to be allowed to come here,
then we want to advise you that the peo-
pie of Ireland are in actual physical
captivity. that those who would speak
for them are not allowed to come here,
and are restrained by the force of an
army of occupation which is now occupy
ing the country"
Mr.. Walsh further stated that England
now has blockade against ireland as
effective as the Allies had against the
Central Powers that it amounts to an
impost upon every bite Of food that
the people of Ireland bring in from the
outside, and on everything that they
ship outside the island Mr.. Walsh told
the President that no ships were al
lowed to touch at any port, transatlantic !:
that the country could not trade with
the United States or other countries,
and other countries could not trade with
It that Ireland was the most law abid-
ing country on the face of the earth,
with a great respect for law and order
and the rights of private property. but
that unless some relief was given
the workers there would have to set up
IN self-defence Soviet governments or do
something else to relieve the situation.
The President said: "Of course you
should understand that no small nation
of any kind has yet appeared before the
SOtnInltlco Ol TOuiI anu hhSiC 10 al
agreement among the Committee of
Four that none can come unless IMAM
imous consent is given by the whole
committee
No Small Nations Heard.
Gov. Dunno addressed the President
and said: "Have no small nations eSm-
planning of injustice on the part of any
of the victor nations ever appeared as
YETI"
The President said: ''There is no ma
ton that has had its right considered
by the Peace Conference except those
that were actually concerned in the war.
We have not attempted to inquire into
ancient wrongs"
And Mr.. Walsh followed with: 'In
my conversations with the representa-
lives of the Irish republic President de
Valera asked me 10 ask you question.
will read from your statements at the
time we entered the war"
Mr. Walsh then read the following:
"Peace should rest upon the rights of
peoples, not on the rights of govern
ments-the rights of peoples, great and
small, weak or powerful; their equal
rights to freedom and security and self
government and to participation. upon
fair terms, in the economic opportunities
OF the world.
at is the principle OF justice to all
peoples and natlonalities and their
right 10 live on equal terms of liberty
and safety with one another, whether
they be strong or weak. Unless this
principle be made its foundation no part
of the structure OF international justice
can stand.
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