New-York tribune., 1919-11-18


treaty"
do you expect to have a meeting
before the Lodge reservation program
comes to vote? 2" he was asked.
II expect" said Senator Hitchcock.
ITO get the Democratic friends of the
treaty together before that time. do
not expect to invite the mild reserva-
tionists until after the Lodge resolu-
tion has been defeated. When that
resolution is out of the way, we will
try to get together with the Republi-
cans who really want the treaty rati-
fed. All pledges Of the Republicans
to vote for the Lodge reservation pro-
gram will be off after that has been
rejected. The Republicans will then
be released and can treat with u.s.
Changes in Order Later
Senator Hitchcock expressed the
opinion that changes would be in or
der under the cloture rule on any reso-
luton of ratification except the Lodge
resolution after the Senate had voted
adversely upon 1T. He said that under
Vice-President Marshall's ruling new
matter could be added to any of the
resolutions not acted upon heretofore.
II told the President adjournment
might occur with the treaty pending"
said Senator Hitchcock.
"The President said. there is merit
in that suggestion! l would like to
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their constituents while the treaty is
still pending"
Lodge Warns Treaty Backers
Il have talked with the so-called
Lodge after the Senate had concluded
for the day, "and l am not at all sure
that they will vote to modify the pre-
amble. might say that if they do
get the votes to modify it, the friends
of the treaty had better be sure that
they have the sixty-four votes neces-
sary for ratification. That is not
mere question of getting a majority"
What will be the effect if the treaty
is ratified with reservations, but with
out the requirements that the other
powers give formal assent to them ?"
he WAS asked.
"Any action under the treaty by
which the participation of the United
States is recognized" he replied, will
be an acceptance of our reservations"
Suppose our reservations should be
ignored at some time by the other
powers? 2"
"ln that case he said, "the effect
would merely be to exclude the United
States from the league. I should very
much prefer that the preamble require
| ment should stay in. However, it is
not IS important AS are other reser-
vations."
No Important Changes
care there likely to be any other
changes in the reservations? ?"
There will be no important changes.
There may be changes of word here
or there. For instance, the Hitchcock
draft Of the Article X reservation has
the same meaning as the committee
proposal"
"Will it be accepted ?"
IL see no reason for accepting it
merely because Mr.. Hitchcock drew it,"
he smiled. "ln fact, there are some
gentlemen whose minds are SO narrow
that the fact Mr. Hitchcock drew it
might prejudice them against it,"
Senator Harry S. New, of Indiana,
served notice he would vote for the
treaty if the Lodge reservations went
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if any change whatever was made. He
said there was a consider rable group of
Senators who would take the same
stand.
The list of thirty seven or eight,
however, who it is said will vote
against the treaty if unsatisfactory
! changes in the reservations are made
changes as those proposed by Mr..
Hitchcock in Article x.
Other Changes Proposed
Representations which have been
emphasized in the last week that the
governments of both Great Britain and
France have vigorous objections to
being required to give their assent in
writing to the reservations have had
such an effect on the Administration
that the reamble-always held by the
Administration to be the same as a
teXtual amendment to the treaty--has
become the target in the whole Lodge
reservation program.
Senators who talked with Mr. Hitch
cock on his return from the White
House were convinced that if the pre-
amble requirement were eliminated
the President would accept the Lodge
reservations and permit the Admins
tration Democrats to vote to ratify
the treaty.
This view was emphasized by the
reservation to Article X put in by Mr..
Hitchcock as q substitute for the COM
mittee reservation. This changes the
words assumes no" to does not as
sumo any" in the sentence "the United
States assumes no obligation to pre-
serve the territorial integrity or po-
litical independence of any other coun-
try" 1t also changes the word
"unless" to until" in qualifying the
provision that Congress must act be-
fore the employment of military or
naval forces under the treaty The
! word "untiln is edlnittcd To ho rnf4a,