The sun., 1919-09-07

these 10 be the Issues Of the struggle.
They are the issues of It and they
| must be settled by no arrangement or
compromise or adjustment OF interests,
but definitely and once for all, and
with a full and unequlvocal acceptance
OF the principle that the interest of the
weakest is as safe as the interest OF
: the strongest
The impartial Justice meted out must
involve no discrimination between those
/ to whom we wish TO be just and those
to whom we do not wish to be just
! II must be justice that plays no favor
ties and knows no standards but the
equal rights of the several peoples con-
~cerned" Then he continued:
Now, then, MIR. President, Mr.. De
Valera asked me TO say to you that in
asmuch as you state that these are the
Issues, that there must be no ARA ge-
ment or compromise, and that they must
| be settled definitely and once for all. to
ask you now where is the place TO settle
Thorn definitely, once for all, and how
shall his people do it. Now that he Is
to be denied the right TO come here by
/ England, and you tell us now that we
cannot appear, in effect. before the Peace
Conference, he asks this question and
i ask you, Where will he go? Where
| shall his people go?
IF II is to be settled definitely and
once for all. and you say that the issue
| is made and we agree with you that II
IL made-now, where is II to be settled
definitely and once for all?"
Voiced Their Aspirations.
| A long discussion as to how bes,
I reach the other members OF the Bis
/ -Four followed. MI Walsh resumed:
"Mr. President when you uttered thoss
words declaring that all nations had q
right to self-determination. that it was
an issue that had to be settled and ones
for ALI, and settled on the side of jus.
tice--those expressions l have read tc
! you--you voiced the aspirations of count.
/ less millions of people that have beer
saying them to each other and begging
Governments that oppressed them e
/ recognize them.
when you, as the head of the most
powerful nation in the world, uttere'
them, and they received the assent oil
| the representatives OF all the nations, l.
became a fact, Mr. President Thos
people are imbued with the principle
They may be killed trying to vlndicat.
it, hut they can no longer be kept in
pubjection by the action of diplomats
Government officials, or even Govern.
ments. They are free now"
| you have touched on the great meta.
physical tragedy OF to-day" said Mr.
President My words have raised hope
in the hearts of millions of people. II
Is my wish that they have that, bui
could you imagine that you could revolu.
! tlonize the world at once. could you
: imagine that those peoples could come
| into that at Once?h
Mr. Walsh replied:
Tells His Interpretation.
The President said: "Mr. Walsh, DC
| YOU think that any considerable number
of people, when they read my declara-
! tons, thought that these settlements were
to be made at some particular place
| automatically, Immediately?
"Mr President" replied Mr.. Walsh
| 'T can speak first for myself. When
! read It, l believe you meant Ireland.
| believe that practically all Of the people
| in Ireland believed that and all that
have met OF our own people believed It
| Mr.. President, 1 am afraid you do moi
understand the Irish situation"
"1f you think I do not understand
] the Irish question, what did you come
/ to me about It for? demanded Mr.. Wilson
Mr.. Walsh, that you DO not understand
the general history of ireland, but dc
say that you do not know what Is COINS
on in Ireland to-day, that is, its exploi.
! tation by England, the shooting down OF
its people in the streets, the sea block
ade which England has in force against
! tt--ln short, all the atrocities that are
being practised upon its citizens at thiI
very moment"
! The President said: "Of course dom
claim to know the local and specific mat
ters referred to-
81 believe you received an invita- tior
to go to Ireland" responded Mr. Walsh
II think it would be fine thing fol
yourself and for the peace Of the worlC
II you accepted that invitation. The peo
pie would be delighted IL you went tC
| Ireland and got an understanding of thu
situation at first hand"
| Now, Walsh answered the Presi
dent, ''if 1t is your intention to go bacl
to America and try to put me in bad,
am going to say when ] go back tina
We were well on the way of getting Mr.
De Valera and his associates over here
We were well on the way when you mad,
it so difficult by your speeches In IRELAND
that we could not do it; that it was yoi
gentlemen who kicked over the appl,
cart"
"Mr. President" Mr.. walsh said. "havs
you read the statement made by the