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paper, but from other discussions. That
Is the full story OF how the plan which
/ sent to the committee was built up.
Senator Lodge-Then, OF course, It Is
obvious that the Gen. SHUTS plan had
been used That appears on the face OF
the document.
The Presldent-Yes.
Senator Lodge-Then there was n pre-
vious draft in addition to the ono you
have sent TO u.s. You spoke of a re-
draft. That was not submitted to the
committee.
The President--No that was private
ly my own.
| Senator Lodge-was 1t before our
commission? ..,,.'
The President-No: It was not before
our commission.
Early Version Quoted.
Senator Lodse-The one that was sent
to us was redraft Of that?
The President--Yes. l was residing
some of the discussion before the COM
mittee, and some one, I think Senator
Borah, IL l remember correctly, quoted
| an early version of Article TO-
Senator Borah-That was Senator
johnson.
Senator Johnson took II from the
Independent.
The President-I do not know how
that was obtained, but that was part
OF the draft which preceded the draft
| which I sent to you.
Senator Johnson--It was first pub
lished by Mr.. Hamilton Holt in the Ia
dependent; it was again subsequently
in tho Ne,o Republic, and from one OF
the publications 1 read 1t when examin-
ing, think, the Secretary of State.
The Presldent-I read 1t with the
greatest interest because I had forgot
ten it, to tell the truth, but l recognized
II as soon as read It.
Senator Johnson-It was the original
plan?
The President--It was the original
form of Article 10. Yes.
Senator. Lodge was about to ask
about Article 10, as the essence OF II
appears in the article of the draft which
you soht-whether that was in the Brit
| ish plan, the SHUTS plan or the other
plans:
The Chairman--of course, IL there are
no drafts OF thoseother plans we cannot
get them.
The President-I am very sorry. sena-
tor. thought / had them, but I have
not.
The Cbairman-Mr. Lansing. the Sec
rotary OF State. testified before us the
other Day that he had prepared a set Of
resolutions covering the points in the
league which were submitted to the
| American Commission. You saw that
draft?
The President-Yes.
The Chairman-No specific action was
taken upon them?
rfys.- "a A..
The Chairman-Mr. President, 1 have
no prepared set OF questions, but there
are one or two that / want to ask, and
will 60 to an entirely different subject in
my next question. 1 want to ask, purely
for information, Is It intended that the
United States shall receive any part of
the reparation fund which is In the
hands OF the PREPARATION Commission?
The PRESIDENT left that question
open. Senator. because did not feel that
I had any final right to decide it Upon
the basis that was set up In the repara-
ton clauses the portion that the United
States would receive would be very small
at best, and my own judgment was fire.
quently expressed. not as a decision, but
as a Judgment. that we should claim
nothing under those general clauses. i
| Gid that because coveted the moral ad-
vantage that that would give us in the
counsels of the world.
Lusitania Case Discussed.
Senator McCumber-Did that mean we
would claim nothing for the sinking OF
| the Lusitania?
! The President-oh, mol That did not
cover questions Of that sort at all.
| The Chairman understood that pre-
war claims were not covered by that
! reparation clause.
The President-That is correct.
The Chairman-I asked that question
| because desired to know whether under
| the Reparatson Commission there was
anything expected to come to us.
The President-As say, that remains
| to be decided.
The Chairman-By the commission?
The President-By the commission.
( The Chairman-Going now on to an
other question, as I understand the
the treaty the overseas possessions OF
Germany are all made over to the five
principal allied and associated Powers
| who apparently, as far as the treaty
| goes have power to make disposition OF
them, suppose by way, of. mandate or
otherwise. Among those overseas pos
sessions are the Ladrone Islands, except
| Guam; the Carolines, and, I think, the
Marshall Islands. Has there been any
| recommendation made by our HaNai du-
thorities in regard to the Importance OF
our having one island there. not for ter
ritorial purposes. but for naval purposes
The President-There was Haper or
that subject,N Senator, which has beer
published. I only partially remember 1t
1t was a paper laying out the genera
necessities of our naval policy In tht
Pacific, and the necessity Of having some
base for communication upon those ISL
ands was mentioned, just In what TORN
I do not remember. But let me say this
There is a little island which 1 must ad'
init / had not heard of before.
Senator williams-The Island OF zap
| The President--Yap. 1t Is one of the
bases and centres of cable and radio
communication on the Pacific. and
made the point that the disposition, oil
rather the control, of that island should
be reserved for the general conference
which is to be held in regard to tho
ownership and operation of the cables
That subject Is mentioned and disposed
Of in this treaty and that general cable
conference is to be held.