The sun., 1919-07-17


A. Yes.
Q. Sure about that7
4. ! think 80.
Q. Can't you tell us7
Hasy About start of U. s.
A. I don't know as can.
.. Do you think there Is any school,
boy In the country that could not tell
that7
A. DO I know that any schoolboy7'
Q. will ask you further. what was
the United States originally?
A. Land, guess.
Q. You appeal to history TO sustain
you In your argument here. don't your
Judge Murphy--The arguments will
apeak for themselves; I object to thiB
Mr.. Stevenson--I think we have got to
about 125 already.
Judge Murphy--If Your Honor please,
every time. that q question Is asked that
we think 10 inadmisslble We are going to
object to II, Il It is 125 or many more.
Mr.. Stevenson--Bearing on the other
question, I ask him II he has not APP
peaIed to history with the idea of show
Ing that when he is appealing to history
no Is appealing to something he doesn't
know anything about.
The Court - Suppose you did; you
have got all that In hero half q dozen
times.
Q. Mr.. Ford. IN view Of all this, with
out pursuing II further. are you not pre-
pared to admit as fact that you arc an
ignorant ideaiist?
A. Ignorant idealist
Q. Ignorant idealist?
A. No, am not
@. What Ia an idealist?
Mr.. Licking-An insulting question; I
object to It.
The Court-In view of the fact that
the witness himself stated a few minutes
ago that he was willing to admit II and
be done with II. for the sake of arsu-
ment-----
He Admits II Again.
The witness---I will admit It again II
It will close the thing.
Q. Are you anxious to close itf
A. Why. It seems to rue everybody 10
annoyed. don't want to close II.
9. Everybody but you and I?
A. Yes. We are not annoyed.
Q. Will you tell what your idea Of an
ideaiist IS? That Is ono of the things
you complain Of that you were called
an Ignorant idealist Tell the Jury what
your idea of an ideslist Ia.
A. Well, an idealist, I think. is a per-
son that can help make people prosper
Gus. believe can do II a little.
Q. That 10 your best definition.
a. l will let II stand at that.
Then followed the reading OF Presi-
dent Wilson's speeches, which consumed
about two hours time
@. (By Mr.. Stevenson. continuing)
You have listened to some OF the
speeches that the President delivered In
the fall-in the spring OF 1915?
A. Yes. sir.
Q. Commencing in the latter part OF
January and running down until some
time In March. those were the speeches
referred to In your booklet. or your
newspaper advertisement. concerning
preparedness. were they not?
A. Yes. sir.
Q. You have already said, ! think.
Mr.. Ford. that your Advertisements and
your propaganda after that time were
put out for the consideration OF people
with the view 10 counteracting the infiu-
ence OF the Presidents speeches. did you
not?
A. Differing--yes.
Q. recognise they differed, but you
started your campaign. your propaganda,
to counteract the influence OF the Presi-
dents speeches. q portion OF which you
have heard read here?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You did that Notwithstanding you
were Informed Av these speeches that
the country was totally unprepared. even
to discharge the ordinary routine mat
deyoiyed upon the military arm OF tho
nation. did you not?
A, Yes
Q. You did that In face OF the fact
that the President OF the United States,
In the most solemn kind of a way, an
nounced to his fellow citizens that the
DANCE. thar he could M, ,o,i a,h., a
d,y or an ho,,r Would hr,r, ,or.na
4 We understood thara was .,
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AGAINST 4, ' ''''
q That 4. th. o,.s,,o, 10 u,s, ,,o,,
understood ths prsa,dan, Nd .oid
A We ware on their aide
n X1,icn3
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be on their aide. on the side OF soms y,
those who onpossd hin, -
''Cs ~ .sS. Spp pos ,, nm n,.s,,o,
did no, start this ca nnaIa1, az nro,oI
9anda a. courtsr.ct ,hn prosido,,'. -
SuenceS ' ''0s"' . III
A. Well n IL all IN tho hooL
a rs IN nrena rsdress tho ,.o..
s,tv for n,snarsdnssse '"e "e'e''
a. Yes
O, In face of m. fact that .,o,, rr.v
that tho Presidert a, ,hs Irni,od CO.,
had Announced In the most solemn NAV
10 The neon,e ~ ths Irn,tad Sta,a. ~,
he could moi ,s,I u,hat day NOV hov- ,hs
countrv would he caiieS nnon 10 Js,snd
itself?
souGht IN Couutsr,rt XS,r