The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-07-18

Dtan't Discuss Houndaftcn.
4 A. I don't think I talked with Mr..
Reed about boundaries at all.
Q. Did you say. II think nations are
silly and fiags are silly too?'
A. I don't know OF ever using the
word "silly'' anywhere, TO him or to
anybody else.
rotten, then the nag Ia rotten, and no.
body ought to respect nT''
4 A. No. sir.
q. Did you say. THE munitions
kNakers, the militarists and the crooked
,spiiticians are fiaes to get people ex-
pted when they want to fool them"f
A. I may have said that; have said
u before, yes, sir.
Q. Did you say. II am going to keep
tho American flag flying on my plant I'M
I'll the war Is over and then 1 am going
to pull It down for good and I am going
to hoist in its place. the nag OF all ma
lions. which is being designed in my Of
fee right now?
A. I notice that he had been reading
Mr.. Woods article. 1 don't remember
talking to him about Il at all.
Q. Mr.. Wood didn't say anything
about your designing q flag right then.
A. Not that know of. don't know
a. he said anything about 1t.
Ferd's Designing OF Flag.
4 O. How did Mr.. Reed know that you
were designing q fiaS7
q A. guess he saw It in Mr.. Woods
article.
4 O. There is nothing in Mr.. Woods ar
ticle about II, Mr.. Ford?
A. I don't know where he found out
anything about It.
III
quoted you. that you were at that very
time designing a iag7
A. He may have seen II somewhere,
but didn't know about Il
O. The fact is. as ] call you attention
to Il, that the flag was being designed at
that very timer
A The only design ever saw was in
the Marquis Cathedral one night a
little piece Of paper about that size.
Q. That was in 1915?
A. No. Shortly after the peace ship.
Q. Can you suggest. Mr.. Ford. how
Mr.. Reed knew the nag was being de-
signed In your works at that time?
A. He had been through the works n
long time, all through the works, and all
l over. and I never saw Reed until he
came to the house.
Q. Do you know where he gathered It?
A. In the works.
q. You wish the jury to understand
that Reed. after writing this eulogistic
history OF your life and all of your eff
forts to better the conditions Of men,
X quoted you with saying this thing when
you did not say It?
Reed Wrote own Observations.
A. do wish the jury to understand
That he wrote that from what he gath
',red around the factory wrote the
'Rhole article.
Q. You said no gathered around tho
factory; he could not gather around the
factory that you wanted to pull the nag
down?
A He could gather it all from Wise
Woods article.
Here Mr.. Fords testimony of yester-
Q. Now. which Of these statements was
true. Mr.. Ford?
A Which statement?
Q. You said. In answer to my cues
zion. that he did not talk anything about
preparedness with you?
A I don't know that he did not talk
anything about t. He may have talked
something-he may have talked some
thing about preparedness
=. But didn't you state he did not talk
anything about preparedness7
A. l may have said he did not. The
only thing that remember is that he
may have talked about some prepared
mesa
Q. You said that you did not recall
OF his talking anything about prepared
ness?
A. I remember that when We were
walking through the shop. looking the
shop over
! q. Now. please Mr.. Ford. You said
what l have read. didn't you?
! A think SO, yes sir.
lafN
about preparedness, and on the next
( rage. or the third page afterward-
You talked about preparedness.
A. Well, he may have talked a little
rbout preparedness.
DID Talk Preparedness.
q. Then he did talk some about pre-
] paredness?
A Yes, sir.
| Q. Now. when did Mr.. Delavigne refer
TO this nag incident7
n don't remember lust when
q Do you recall that you said that
{ you read the next day. after your talk
with Wood. you read the report in the
Detroit Free Press, didn't you get a
copy OF the speech together again? A
Yes. I think 30. yes"
A ! may have been mistaken. some
body may have called II to my attention.
O. Either you saw the copy the mex,
day. or Mr.. Delavigne told you what
Wood had said?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. On the evening Of the day that he
had the talk with you. he stated, when
l saw the nag flying on top of his fac
tory. i told him what harm I though,
he was doing 10 this country, and Ford
told me. when the present war was over
these flags would come down never &c
go up again"
A don't know whether n was the
next day or not 1t was shortly after
q. Did not you get q CODY OF the
speech the next dayH
A may have got a COPY of Il Thar,
may have been somebody who called
my attention to II.
Q. You said that you either saw 4,
or Mr.. Delavisne told you what was in
A. Yes, sir.
Q. One or the other?
A. Yes. sir.
Q. What 1 want TO challenge your
attention 90. Mr.. Ford, is that at that
time you knew what Mr.. Wood said
that you told him?
A. On that particular thing?
Q. Yes on that particular thing.
A. Somebody called my attention to
It.
@ Now. then did you ever deny f.?
Don't Remember Denying II.
A / don't know that ever did
q. Did you ever tell the Free Press
hOd nah 49,