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WARNING SOUNDED
BY SENATOR LODGE
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which ought under it's own provisions to
have been presented the same day the
German treaty was submitted"
French Treaty Held Up weeks.
For how long time was the French
treaty denied to the Senator" asked Mr..
La Toilette
Il think two or three weeks" replied
Mr.. Lodge. when we received II It
gave US no real information because by
that time we had already obtained a
copy or IL from the newspapers"
Were the documents which were re-
fused to you important ones?" asked
MI. La Toilette.
'Oh. yes" replied Mr.. Lodge Among
them was the document, or protest, or
whatever It may be called. signed by
three members OF our peace commission,
Cen Bliss, Mr.. Lansing and Mr.. White,
protesting against the shantung settle
ment 1t was asked for very early and
refused. We were also refused the
process verbal. or detailed minutes, Of
the conference proceedings"
30 that we have been denied the right
future may be appealed to as the basis
of construction of the treaty ITSELF" sug-
gested Mr.. Reed. "Such information as
YOU got was obtained depsite the I'M
Willingness of the Administration to
transmit it?"
Not precisely that" replied Mr..
Lodge. THE financial experts appeared
and explained fully the treaty's pro-
visions as to financial matters Mr..
Baruch and others gave us all the infor-
nation they could on these features.
Secretary Lansing also was heard by
the committee, and We spent three and
a half hours in conference at the White
House. But We have received none of
these records All have been distinctly
refused to U.S."
Treaty With Austria withheld.
Has the treaty with Austria been laid
before the Senate yetr' asked Mr.. Reed.
ut has not" said Mr. Lodge. 81 re-
ceived copy of IL, however, through
the Chicago Tribune and have had II
printed. Along with 1t were letters, one
giving our response to the Austrian OBJ
1ections to the treaty and another being
the final letter of transmittal of the
treaty"
Us It not true" pursued Senator Reed.
that while the persistent cry has Deem
raised for haste and more haste In the
ratification of the treaty with Germany
new treaties and understandings and sfa
ransements are being constantly ne
gotiated with other countries which
change the terms OF that treaty and of
the league convention7 Are not these
changes being made constantly at the
very time when We are subjected to the
demand for greater speed In ratifying
this Instrument
Il was not aware that the Austrian
treaty changed the provisions OF the
league covenant" replied Senator Lodge
Il confess have not had time for de-
tailed examination OF the instrument
and II may be that 1t does affect these
changes"
I'VE have only an unofficial copy of
the treaty with Austria" declared Sena-
tor Reed. but from It we know that II
places in control Of the Allies the in
ternal affairs Of Austria. 1t Is provided
that questions which may arise as to
these affairs shall be international ques-
tons. to be dealt with by the League of
Nations, and in the League of Nations
to be referred to tine council of the
league. In the council they shall be de-
termined by a majority and not by
unanimous vote. as in many other mat
the treaty agree to accept the majority
decision. It is also provided that no
nation may complain OF q violation of
the treaty terms by Austria unless the
complaining nation be member of the
council Of the league So I say that
they are now drafting new provisions
which change the import of the cove
nant- and yet we are refused the infor-
nation which we require" -.. -.
Copy of Treaty Is Official.
The copy of the Austrian treaty we
have received is an official copy, though
1t was not officially transmitted to u.s."
replied Mr.. Lodge. "As to interference
with the domestic affairs of the other
countries, that is provided for in various
places. as In the Polish treaty, with
which we have not been officially sup
piled. though we received a copy of It as
1t was submitted by the British Govern
ment to the House of Commons. In
short. feel that we know about all that
we are likely to know. and for myself
would be glad to go on and finish the
treaty's consideration"
Secretary Lansing testified before the
Foreign Relations Committee" said Sem
ator Brandegee. that a cablegram was
sent at the request of the President to
Premier Clemenceau asking him not to
divulge to the French Chamber the min
utsa. or process verbal. of the confer
ence- On yesterday l received French
paper containing statement by Gle
menceau to the French Chamber saying
that at the request of President Wilson
he had declined to furnish the process
verbal to the Deputies.
MY strong impression, however,, is
that this document was submitted TO the
Foreign Relations Committee of the
French Chamber. and that committee
was about to make 1t public when the
President made the request that pre-
vented its publication. At any rate
France has now ratified the treaty with
out knowing it.
In our case, we being n great de-
mocracy, operating under the lofty prin-
cipie Of open diplomacy, even our Com
mittee on Foreign Relations has not had
the privilege of inspecting this docu-
ment- The process verbal presents all
the arguments for and against all the
provisions adopted. 1t is the kew and
the explanation of what everytl. ira IN
the treaty means and why every ing
was done. Yet 1t is refused to us. and
we are compelled to see through a glass
darkly. and badly grimed at that"
Text of Mr.. Lodges Speech.
Mr.. Lodge said: .. ..,
-Mr. PRESIDENT; The principal areu-
ment made by those who sustain the
delivery of the control of ShantunR 10
Japan under this treaty of peace with
Germany Is that Japan has promised at