New-York tribune., 1919-10-03
Gary Will Not
Yield; Favors
u. S. Control
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fore, at this particular time, the CIR
cumstances are different than ever ex-
listed before in this country. I doubt
if you realize the danger Of the
minority securing control"
81 appreciate that" Senator Walsh
rejoined, "but l also appreciate the
danger of employers refusing to see
their workmen."
Il haven't" Judge Gary protested
vigorously. ~ have refused only to
meet outsiders who are trying to
organize the steel industry"
Judge Gary analyzed steel strikers
as belonging to three classes. First,
there are the Americans" he said,
then large number Of foreign born
workers, and finally, a small minority
OF foreigners, not over 10 per cent Of
the total, who are actually engaged in
promoting the strike"
Don't you think this committee
ought to make its own investigation as
to conditions in the field 7" asked Sena-
tor Kenyon.
"If it could make quiet investiga-
ton, yes" was the reply, "but if the
of misunderstanding among the work
men as to the object Of their visit"
Gary Answers Kenyon
Chairman Kenyon read principles of
the War Labor Board promulga dur
ing the war, guaranteeing the right Of
collective bargaining to employees. and
asked if Judge Gary indorscd them.
"If you mean what the labor unions
call collective bargaining, no." Judge
Gary responded. "If you mean or
o1on
present grievances, yes"
'pd like to know what the difference
is between you and the labor unions"
said Senator Jones, Democrat, of New
Mexico.
THE unions are endeavoring to COM
pei employers to contract with them"
Judge Gary answered, "and when that
is done non-union men cannot be en-
ployed"
"What good is it for men to belong
to unions" said Secretary Walsh, eff
anything with their representatives? ?"
us it right" Judge Gary countered,
'for 10 per cent of men who may be-
long to unions to dictate conditions
for the other 80 per cent?"
"But your position is the same"
Senator Walsh continued, "even if 90
per cent of the men were organized,
you would not confer with their repre-
SentatlVes."
g, "I haven't said So" Judge Gary re-
piled. That question has not come
up. We shall not do anything to in
jure the open shop"
Lets settle this point right here"
Senator Walsh broke in. "Wil you
confer with any representative of or
ganized labor to-day. to help settle this
strike ."
81 will not" Judge Gary returned.
Asked if he had any suggestion for
settlement Of the strike, Judge Gary
said il peace were maintained. the law
employees would "settlc it themselves" "
"lf the union leaders should disc i'm
any intention to establish what YOU call
the closed shop, would you discuss the
situation with them nowc asked Sem
ator Jones, Democrat. of New Mexico.
"lf they should make such a dis
claimer, in good faith even, it would
not satisfy me-" Judge Gary said, "bc-
cause know that leaders who promised
that would be shortly displaced, and
their positions taken oven by men who
would continue progress toward the
closed shop.
81 can't discuss the situation from
the viewpoint which members cf this
committee take. can't talk about
arbitration or compromise at this time" "
Representatives Of labor have said
the open shop is not an issue here"
Senator Jones said. "The public is
vitality interested. If your policy
IS to refuse to accept any compromise
we might as we'll quit now"
Says Public Wants Peace
"Wc interpret public sentiment in
this country differently said the wit
ness. II believe the attitude of the
public first demands that absolute peace
be maintained. and every interest and
man protected.
Z" If that is done, public sentiment will
enforce decency and justice. The
strongest force we have is an enlight.
encd public interest"
Asked for his views regarding pos
siblc legislation on the general ques