Evening star., 1919-08-19

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at the time that It would be ~ soon
as possible.
Senator johnson Of California: Did
not the Japanese decline to nx any
The President: They did at that
time. yes: but i think 1t 10 fair to
them to say. not In the spirit OF those
who wish It to be within their choice.
but simply that they could not at that
time say whom IT would be.
Senator johnson Of California: The
economic privileges that they would
retain would give them q fair mas
terry over the province. wouid they
not, or at least, the Chinese think 10?
Let me put II in that fashion. please.
The President: I believe they DO.
senator. 1 do not feel qualified to
judge. I should say that that was an
exaggerated view.
senator johnson of California: But
the Chinese feel that way about It.
and have % expressed themselves?
The President: They have so ex-
pressed themselves.
Senator Knox: Mr.. President. the
economic privileges that they ortgi-
nally acquired in Korea, and subse-
and in northern and southern Man.
churia. have almost developed into a
complete sovereignty over those coun-
tries; have they not?
The President: Yes. senator. in the
absence Of = league Of nations they
have.
Senator Knox: You think the league
OF nations would have prevented that.
do you?
The President: I am confident it
would.
Somewhat Analogous at Malta.
Senator New: MT. President. does not
this indefinite promise OF Japan's sug-
gest the somewhat analogous case of
EnGland's occupation Of Malta? She
has occupied Malta for something like
| q century. believe. under . very
The President: we,l. senator, hope
you win pardon me II do not answer
that question.
Senator Fall: Mr.. President, speak
ing Of the duty Of defense in reference
| to sovereignty, and OF aggression
with reference to sovereignty. in
| the league. have been curious to
know who will defend the mandate
territories or colonies IL there should
| be external aggression.
The President: Primarily. the man.
datory power.
Senator Fan: The mandatory power
would have that character OF sover-
| eighty over the possession which
would compel II as a duty to defend
the mandate province? ..s
The President: Yes.
Senator Fall: Thsn . qualified SOW
- txr L. IN .
any rate, compel the mandatory Of the
league first to defend the colony?
The President: I should put it this
way. senator: We had in mind
throughout the whole discussion of
| the mandate idea the analogy Of true-
toes The states taking those under
mandates would be In the nature OF
trustees. and. OF course. Ii IL part Of
the trustees duty TO preserve intact
senator Faii: But out Of the funds
Of the trust estate?
The President: Oh. yes.
Senator Fail: Mr.. President. I will
not pursue that line 1T this time.
pared some questions which 1 wanted,
tor my own purposes. 20 put down in
writing, and I had expected 70 ask
them In sequences OF you after the
however. evidently take quite q lorK
while IL we pursue the line which we
are now pursuing, and particularly
II the senators themselves argue their
own Interpretations Of the difsrent
clauses in the treaty.
Wants Definite Understanding.
Senator Mccumber: Mr.. President, 7
should like to get as definite an an
shan4ung are evidenced today. In
what form do they appear!
The proses Verbal so o .ns e.
council of four. The name that We
| ourselves used was very much more
| Pretentions. We called ourselves the
council OF the principal allied and as
used to confer. or rather the ave. be-
cause Japan was there. Of course. at.
Senator Mccumbsr: The principal
and read over and compared and pre-
The President: Not read over and
compared. but preserved. The process
each day was this, senator: The mat
ters discussed were summarized. and
the conclusions reached were recorded
in a psooes verbal. copies OF which
were distributed within tVenty-four
hours: and Of course 1t was open to
any one Of the conferess to correct
| in that sense were they corrected.
i. Senator McCumber: Where are those
records kept now? .'s.-
The President: They are in Paris.
sir. ..,,
Objections to Presenting Records.
Senator Mocumber: II there any OBJ
jeetten to their being produced for
the committee?
The President: think. there Ia .
very serious objection. senator. The
reason we constituted that very small
conference was that We could speak
with the utmost absence OF restraint,
and I think 1t would be q mistake to
make use Of those discussions out
side. I do not remember any blazing
indiscretion OF nay ewn. but there may
Senator Mccumber: In those con-
vsrsatiens 1t was fully understood
that Japan was to return Shantung ~
soon a. possible?
Senator McCumber: Was there
anything stated - to what was meant
by sas soon as possible-that 10, to
piece it within any deAnfte period at
aMs
lied on Japans good faith In fulfilling
Senator McCumber: Was there
anything outsider tIf 20 too far
in my questions you can signify It.
Mr. President.)
The President; How do yen mean
outside. senator?
Senator McCumbAr: Was there
thing that she. would want 70 do be-
fore she turned the territory over to