New-York tribune., 1919-10-19
Asks That America Put
Case Up TO League of
Nations as an Interna-
tional Problem to Solve
''lnsolent,'' Says Penrose
Calls 1t Effort to Bunco
Irish; Poindexter and
Lenroot Raise Objections
NstU York Tribuns
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WASHINGTON, Oct. 19.-The Irish
question was sharply debated in the
Senate to-day when Senator Walsh,
Democrat, of Montana, called up for
discussion his reso ution providing
hat the American government shall
present the case of the Irish people to
he league of nations.
Senator Walsh declared that under
Article XI Of the treaty the right OF
Ireland to self-governmen may be pre-
sembiy of the league
Il see no Inconsistency whatever be
tween Article X in its provisions for a
Guarantee Of political independence as
gainst externa aggression and Article
H. said Senator Walsh. "If there is
an internal uprising in which any na-
ion outside is interested the latter are
orbidden under Article X to resort
o war"
"lf an appeal is made to the council
OF the league, under Article XII" asked
Senator Lenroot. "to secure the free
dom of Ireland. would that not involve
Il 'hreat of external aggression o.
Not External Aggression, Says Walsh
Not in any sense whatever" rep led
Mr. Walsh. External aggression has
n c ear meaning in Article y. 1t means
the making of war by one country or
nation upon another nation"
''tf under Article + jurisd ction can
De taken of the Irish question:" sug-
gested Senator Lerroot "cannot ike
Jurisdiction be taken of the immigra
-ion question in this country, the tariff
question or almost any other domestic
question ?"
IF any such question is raised" re
piled Mr.. Walsh, at would be do
nestle question. and the nation would
fake no action"
Then does the Senator take the
position that If Great Britain shou d
'aise the point that the Irish question
domestic one, it could not take
Jurisdiction under Article XI?" asked
Senator Lenroot.
If the league finds that question
s domestic it does not act IN the mat
ler at ALL replied Senator Walsh.
I ne league Simply affords forum
Jefors which a cause can be presented
It is we'll that this provision was made
N the treaty, because if the cause of
Ire and should be presented there,
1nd the council or assembly had au-
hority to act, it might take action
against Irish independence. They
might feel Obliged to suppress the
efforts OF people TO estab ish their in
dependence. 1t might work that way"
why is there not like forum for
the Gues tion of immigration ," insisted
Mr.. Lenroot.
Lenroot Fears for Other Questions
'In my view, the Irish question is
not a purely domestic question:" said
Senator Walsh. General Smuts did
lot 80 regard it. He gives it an inter
rational as we'll as domestic as pect.
When Cuba endeavored to establish
her independence our government de-
domestic question, within the juris-
tiction of Spain, since it affected so
sirectly the lives Of our own people.
We regarded it as an international
problem"
$50 the same reasoning would make
the question of Japanese immigration
IN international question, and not solely
t domestic question ?" argued Senator
Jenroot. could the council take ju-
lisdiction then and make a recommen-
cation ?"
ut could not. That is domestic
question: said Mr.. Walsh.
at is not any more so than is the
Irish question" replied Senator Len
foot
"This resolution is not offered in q
tplriI hostile to the British Empire or
70 England" declared Senator Walsh
It is offered in the hope that AN irri-
tatng factor in the relations between
these two governments may be re-
moved. have no doubt the overwhelm-
ing sentiment Of the people of this
country favors granting the Irish an
opportunity at lea to present their
cause before a world forum
Senator Polndexter failed 10 see, he
said, how Senator Walsh could escape
he conclusion that the presentation
e the cause Of Ireland to the league