The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-07-18

A. NO,
Q. Theodore Roosevelt was In the
same class. wasn't heT Collected to as
immateriaL)
The Court: II Ia immatsriaL think
It is immateriai what Mr.. Roosevelt was
or was not.
O. You know that the President ad-
vooated what you call overpreparod-
ness7
A. know that there was some talk
Of It.
O. You heard his speeches here yes
tsrday, didn't you?
A. Yes.
Wilson for Overpreparedness.
Q. You made a statement Of the
President that you regarded him as In
the class that were for overpreparednsss.
didn't your
A. In the class for ovsrpreparedness.
yes
Q. You regarded men who were for
overprepsredness A. advocating the pro-
motion Of murderf
Mr.. Lucking: That 10 objected to az
having been gone over I'VE or SIX times.
The Court As applicable to this par.
ticular thing IL could not have been be.
cause Il was only put In evidence yes
terday afternoon late. Go ahead
(Last question read by the stenos-
rapher)
A. did. yea
Q. Knowing that the President was
one OF the mon who did thatf
A He was advocating for war ana
was against war.
Q. He was advocating that in 1915
and 1915, wasn't he. away back three
years ago or more?
A. Yes
Q. At the very time that you were
putting out these statements of yours,
chsracterixing men who were In favor
Of increasing the army ana navy as pro-
noting murder?
Q. And Humanity ana sanity" was
after the Presidents speechesf
A. Yes. sir.
q. Do you mean that these articles
modified the previous ones in that re-
gardf
Pretty Well Prepared.
A. 1t showed that we were pretty well
prepared.
Q. You tried to show that tho Presi-
dent was not telling the truth and that
the country was not prepared. that was
the purpose Of itf
A don't know what the purpose Of
It was, but Il was for education.
Q. The purpose Of 1t was to educate
the people1
A. In sanity.
Q. Did you know that the President's
statements were not true?
A. No. sir.
Q. Without knowing that they were
not true you conveyed the impression to
the world that they were not true?
A. I may have made . mistake.
Q; What DO you meant may have
made mistake?
A Because there were q lot of arxu-
ments in Congress.
@. am talking about what you said
about the President.
A. Yes
Q. Without knowing about IN. facts
that the President was stating as the
truth. you characterised tho President
as stating an untruth, didn't you?
A No. didn't
Q. In Humanity and sanity" ana
concerning preparedness"?
A. No, did not characterize him that
way.
veracity or President.
.. You also incorporated In your ad-
vertisements arguments and statements
for the purposes OF showing that the
President was not telling the truth. didn't
you?
A. Perhaps some Of the arguments
Congress was arguing at the time.
q. You knew from hearing read yes
terday, didn't you then, that the Presi-
dent had made the statement that the
coast defences were not adequate?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you say in your article, "hu-
manity and sanity" all talk about the
coast defences not being adequate were
founded on fiction?
A. II It Is in there, certainly I am
responsible for II, Mr.. Stevenson.
Q. Don't you recollect whether II is
In there or not?
A No, say. IL 1t is in there, I am
responsible for IL.
that which was put out over your own
signature7
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You understand when you were
putting II out
A. understood there was a great de-
bate on it.
Q. You were joining the debate with
out knowing anything about It:
Knew Something of IL.
A. oh, no, knew something about it.
Nr Lucking-Hasn't this gone far
enough? The witness has said several
times that he hired an expert to go into
all of this.
The Court understood what he said
Mr.. Lucking-That 1t was not OF his
own knowledge. that he left it 10 them,
but he says he was responsible.
Q. For n month the people OF the
United States have had fear pounded
into their brains by magazines, news
| papers and motion pictures. No enemy
| has been pointed out All the wild
| cry for the spending of billions. the
plling up OF armament and the padding
of the country with a military caste. has
| been based on nothing but fiction?
A. Yes, sir.
O. call your attention again 10 CON
| corning preparedness" the President
| himself. in his speeches. made recently
| in the middle West, could find no fear OF
invasion and his Inconsistencies were
pointed out by the most ardent editorial
advocates OF the preparedness plan" And
| you quote the President saying, In De-
| cember. 1914. Now. didn't you under
| stand that the people who read this ad-
vertisement of yours would believe, II
they believed what you were saying. that
the President was basing his argumen,
upon his statements TO the people OF the
United States on fiction?
A. understood that; yes, sir.
Q. You wanted the people OF the
United States to believe that their Pres.
but on fiction?
Would Educate People.
A. I wanted tho people to understand
both sides OF It.
| O Rut Won wantAd To discredit the