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the word murderer" or ''murderers." This
Is No. /: this lie No. 2; IL confess 1
do not know how II IL best to undertake
this work In an organised manner.
realize It Is a vast undertaking. Yet
want TO see this nation and all the ma
tions Of the earth nourishing that feel
Ing, already deeply implanted in the
minds and hearts OF millions. thatsis
expressed In the words, We do not
want war We will not have war,
we will not have among us the
breeders OF war. be they men who cry
out that the enemy seeks us and we
must prepare for him, or be they. only
those, who would dassle with the false
glory that has been the cloak OF murder
for centuries What did you mean by
that Mr. Ford7
| A. MilitarisnA
| @. You mt snt 70 imply that every
man that favored so-calied nfltarism
or preparedness was encouraging the
commission OF murder: didn't your
| A. War Is murder-yes.
| Q. Do YOU mean by yes as an answer
to my question?
| A. Yes
Q. You think all war is murder7
| A. Yes. .,. ... ..'
Q. And that anybody that advocates
preparedness for war Is a murderer
also?
| A. Not II It Is In defence.
| G.. understood you to say that you
| were responsible for what Is in this
booklet; In that right?
| a. Yes.
Q. That you have read before IT was
published7 g..
A. don't know whether 1 did or not.
| Q. Well. now, you said moment ago.
or few moments ago, as I understood
i Nen,a All nj n A ~
the readers understand, that men who
did these things that you referred to
were guilty of promoting murder?
+ A. Yea "
O.. And that anybody who advocates
preparedness was in that class?
| A. II 1t was for overpreparedness.
Q. Who was II that ever advocated
/ anything that you regarded as an ad-
vocacy Of overpreparedness?
A. cannot recall just now
q. Cannot you name single man7
A. No. sir I don't know as can.
Book Qnoted Against Ford.
@. Let's see on that questioi, Mr..
Ford. weren't you against all prepared
ness. and don't you say 30 in this book?
Didn't you say so In this book?
A Eventually. yes, sir. ~
Q. Now at the very time you published
this statement, weren't you advocating
absolute preparedness?
A. considered we were amply pre-
pared.
Q. Let us call your attention to this
on page (reading): The nations of
the world need an example to lead them
away from war. and this. the country
we live in, Is. believe, the land destined
to show the world the way toward the
end OF this murder" Another muir
der (reading): 1.-THE world has for
lowed the United States for generations
in all that goes for progress. Let us
have disarmament" Weren't you ad-
paredness and absolute disarmament in
August. 1887
A. Was yes.
q. II was not question Of over
preparedness. It was q question Of no
preparedness at allan absolute dis
armament. wasn't Il?
A. Question of International courts or
a league OF nations
q. But 20 far as the attitude Of the
limited States was concerned. you con-
tended that there should DO not only
mo further preparedness hut that It
Should then he. disarmarbent Hbysi the
United States, didn't you7t L: win ask
you another question to make. II clear.
Let us have disarmament. let US show
that we mean peace when we say the
word and the world will follow?
A. That was a good plan I think,
Q. That was what you were advocat-
ing at that time, wasn't It?
i A. Yes.
O. That is what you meant by what
lyou said in this booklet?
a II It led to a league, yes
\ Q, Are there any Ifs" about II here?
4 4tIRt fhAs
may be.
| q. There Ia nothing In this whole book
about league Of nations. is there; no
reference to TT
| A. ]. don't know.
O. You had It published. didn't your.
A. Yes
q. You said you read It.
| A. Part of II. 80
I q. Do you reeollect reading anything
in here about league Of nations?
A I don't recollect; no. sir.
Worlds Slaughter Preached,
Q. Following that paragraph. on the
same page. you say: IT feel--and I have
the worlds history and the spirit of a
worlds people back Of me 1T that the
preparedness now being preached Is
| nothing but a criminal waste, h cali tc
slaughter. and a disgrace to a nation
that has been the guiding star of the
world toward liberty, happiness and
peace?"
A. don't recall that.
Q. think you said in this book, Mr.,
Ford. that the President was a very
great mani
A. Yes. sir.
Q. Have you changed your mind!
A. 1 say think he is a greater man
now.
Alfred Lucking-what has that got
TO do with this case?
y. Let us see (Reading) America
to-day should give thanks to Providence
that a man IKE Woodrow Wilson, who
cannot be swayed by the military clique
ls given the country, just as Abraham
Lincoln was given in another time OF
stress and peril Every man in the world
should be thankful for the man who
now sits arm, deaf to the shouts OF the
jingoes who would drive the country
into the slaughter or into a wild
scramble to straddle a military ring
upon U.s." Do you know OF anybody
that was trying to drive the country
into the daughter?
A. thought there were many people
that were.
Q. Can you give US the name of one ?
| A No.
| Q. And yet you made the statement
In this booklet that there was a ring
trying to impress the President and
force him into war?
A.. did say that. yes.
Q. Without knowing a thing about TT
"A haA