The sun., 1919-02-14
SAYS REDS HOPED
FOR FOOTING HERE
Y. NJ. G. A. Worker Tells SEN
ate Committee BOlshevism
Is Linked With T. W. w.
CREED BASED ON CHAOS
Radical Wife Of John Reed
Asks TO Be Heard in De-
fence of sOviets.
Special pespatcA 10 Tan srN.

Special Dcspatch 10 THH suN.
wAsHINGroN. Fob. 13--The Overman
subcommittee OF tho Senate Judiciary
Committee investigating Bolshevism in
the United States heard testimony to-
day of American observers of the con-
ditions in the distracted country who
recently returned from the chaos into
which the various reactions have thrown
the once great empire. The witnesses
were all Y NJ. G. A. workers sent to
Russia after Americas entrance into the
war. They endeavored to picture condi-
lions as found. They were unit as to
the hopelessness OF the Lenine -Trotgky
experiment, although their testimony
varied as to the degree OF sincerity they
were willing 10 ascribe TO the Bolshevist
leaders
Ralph Dennis. the first witness, told
the committee that the conversion OF the
world TO Bolshevism was the ultimate
objective OF the whole movement In
illustration he recounted how at his
departure from Russia one OF the leaders
had said to him: "Good-by. / will see
sou in about ten years. We are coming
over to pull of the same show there"
Mr.. Dennis said 20 per cent. OF the
ment had lived in the United States for
from two to thirteen years. Among
these very people who have enjoyed the
privilege of residence in the United
States" said Mr.. Dennis, are TO be
found the bitterest and most fanaticai
opponents of all organized government
In the world"
Mr.. Dennis linked the J. W. W. move.
ment in the United States with Boz
shevism in Russia. saying tho two
elements were OF identical character n,
the two nations. Their whole creed. -
ne said. is predicated Oh the disorgan n
ixation OF society and the Substitution OF
chaos and anarchy"
Mr.. Dennis was followed by Rober,
Leonard Of Minnesota, another Y. NJ
g. A. worker Mr. Dennis's observations
had been for the most part In Petro.
grad. Mr.. Leonard had been stationed
for the larger part in the provinces He
had been in Astrakhan when the Boil.
sheviki overthrow the Kerensky Govern.
ment He had been removed 10 the
town OF Tsaritsen. where he was thrown
into jail by order OF the Kommissar oil
,iae District.
Released Through Scandina via ms
He was kept from communicat ny
With any one. and only when he had
been observed through the windows Of
MS prison by a Belgian agent 'leavins
Tsaritsen for Moscow was il that WORD
was conveyed to the central Govern
Ynent OF his imprisonment Tchitcherin
the Boehevist Konm!ssar for Foreigr
Affairs. ordered his release or that h
be sent to Moscow. but this was ignored
by the local kommissaT. so that Leonard
spent six weeks in jail part of the tim,
IN solitary confinement. only to be sen
to Moscow and again ilCdrcerated 70
three weeks more before his release wa
effected through Scandinavian officials
Part of the time. Leonard told the com
nittee. he was locked in a room six fee
BY thirteen and a half with four othe
prisoners.
Mr.. Leonard dweit at length on tin
effect on the spirits Of the Bolshevik
leaders Of the even- Of the war on tn
west front. He said that after his re
lease he had been in Petrograd in No
yonlber at the time the war was draw
ing to a close The BoLshevists We're II
panic when surrender of the German
was certain. They grew "cocky" ono
more when the Liebknecht group seeme'
likely TO gain the upper hand in Ger
many and again subsidized as to spirit
when the non-success OF the Spartaca
movement became apparent.
Sent Money to Aid LteDk ne chit.
The Bolstevists had held high hope
that the Liebkuecht group in German
would pave the way for the spread q
their movement all over Europe. The
had sent large sums of money out Q
Russia to the aid Of Iiebknecht.
The witness frequently quoted views q
> Bolshevist official. Makrovsky, wit
whom he had been confined in Jail q
Tsaritsen. Makrovsky. he said, throug
observation of the workings OF 30
shevism in practice. became a convert I
the opinion that the ultimate collapse c
the Lenine -Trotzlly regime must follow
Makrovsky was tho Bolshevist superb
tendent OF the oil industry. which ha
been taken out Of private hands by til
Government He expressed the opinio
that Define was sincere, but held di
ferent views in regard TO Trotzky. II
suspected TrotZky of ambitions TO bull
up. through his control of the militar
and naval forces OF Russia. n stron
Government, with himself as dictator.
Louise Bryant, wife OF John Reed, va
present ut the hearing to-day. She aske
Chairman Overman at the end of T.
session IL she might testify. Senate
Overman said he would give here "A def
mite answer tomorrow. Some Senator
think that Bolshevist sympathzers
the type OF Miss Bryant. Reed and \
bort Rhys Williams are too anxious
be heard for the publicity which the
movement will gain through their al
pearance.