Evening times-Republican. [volume] (Marshalltown, Iowa) 1890-1923, 1919-07-22
Memory Proves FOggy
When Questioned About
Alleged Utteranees.
NO ARMED GUARD
ABOUT FORD HOME
Gatekeeper Employed to Keep Paeifist
From "Being Overrun" - Entente
Missions Coming to America to
Make Loans Should Be Carried Out
Of Country, Ford Admits Having
Said-Conversation Forgotten.

MI. SleIloHS, IhACI., July A@.--NAA-
animation Of Henry Ford by Attorney
Elliott G. Stevenson, for the Chicago
Daily Tribune, defendant in Mr.. Ford's
$1,0OO,000 libel suit. was concluded to-
day and Interrogation passed into the
friendly hands Of Alfred Lucking, Mr..
Ford's personal attorney.
Mr.. Ford said he was born Of farm
er parents at Dearborn. Mich. his
present home.
Did you tell John Reed. the I,asa-
zine writer, that you built a $4,000
house for your gate keeper" asked
Mr.. Lucking.
mo-" smiled the manufacturer.
There is nothing but sort Of chill
dren's playhouse, about 10 feet by 100."
"It was just a bit Of the writer's i'm
agination"
"Yes." go
Why Ford Forsets.
"Mr. Reed spoke of guards about
your grounds and counsel have Work.
ed this into armed guards. What
have you theDe?"
only the one gate keeper"
And why do you keep him?"
ITO keep from being overrun."
Hundreds Of people call on You in a
year and you talk with them?"
Yes" ~
"And is that why your memory fails
to retain much that they or you said? ?"
II think So"
Opposed Loans To Entente.
you were opposed to the manufac-
ture Of war munitions prior to 1917"
reminded attorney Elliott G. Steven
son when Henry Ford began his sew
enth DAY on the witness stand.
Eyes sir" responded the manufac-
turer.
prior to that there was much agi-
tation as to furnishing food and num-
tions to the entente allies and floating
loans, wasn't there?'"'
II believe So"
"You opposed the loans and the mis-
sions which came over to arrange
them?"
IT said they ought to be carried out
Of the country"
you were also opposed to making
itrouble over the submarine outrages"
II don't recall that"
Did you say that the excitement
over the sinking Of the Lusitania was
political bunk?"
II don't think So"
Didn't you say in the presence Of
friends. that the Americans had no
business to he on the ship?"
I don't think So"
Witness Memory Fosgy.
Mr.. Stevenson read from a magazine
article by Willis J. Abbott, in which
Mr.. Ford was quoted as saying that he
had not been in Europe two hours on
his peace mission before he realized
that he had taken the wrong course
and that German militarism must be
crushed before there could be hope Of
world peace.
II don't remember saying anything
like that"
Mr.. Abbott further quoted the MANI
| ufacturer as saying he didn't see how
the United States could remain neutral.
Mr.. Ford testified that he did not recall
that either.
"You did talk with him?"
''Oh, yes. at the tractor plant"
well, what did you say?"
II can't remember,
Ford's Definition of Anarchist.
Ford spent an unhappy hour and a
half trying to explain to Attorney
! Stevenson his theories Of anarchy and
| the duties Of government.
An anarchist. according to Mr.. Ford,
must be q bomb thrower. and as this
is the pivotal point upon which his
libel suit against the Tribune Is being
| tried. considerable time was devoted to
delving into his ideas along this line.
The manufactures had not heard that
| anarchy is simply a word meaning
without head" and relates to absence
[ or insufficiency Of government
Fought System, Not Persons.
| War Is q condition Of anarchy, ac-
cording to Mr.. Ford. Murder also Is
anarchy. He did not know that Count
Tolsti was an anarchist who never
thought of throwing bombs to bring
about mig Ideals OF sot.iety' ors orss sliiiii- Il :
zation. He did not know Gentle joe
Labadie, Detroit anarchist, who has
attended several sessions Of the trial.
| Mr.. Ford was asked If he did not
think his propaganda, referring to pre-
paredness advocates, militarists, and
professional soldiers as n3urderers, put
tout at the time Of the preparedness
parades In 1915 in San Francisco and
other cities, might not have tended to
excite some person to toss the bomt
into the San Francisco parade. He
said that his propaganda was simply
to get people to think. He did not ac-
c,ise persons but the system.