The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-07-16

Q. That he was one OF the men ad-
vocatins preparation to commit MUIR
der?
A. War 10 murder.
q. That 10 the only view Of what you
have said, is Il?
i A. Yes. think there is a better way.
Q. Have you any other view about
war than that II 10 murder and every
body engaged In war IL q murderer
I A. am strong for preparedness now,
unless we have q league OF nations.
Q. You nre?
A. Yes, sir. right to tho hilt
Alfred Lucking-What IL that?
Mr.. Kirkland-Unless we have a
league Of nations.
@. You were strong for preparedness
in 1915?
A. No. thought we were adequate
enough.
Q. Why are you for preparedness
nowf. Because you found II necessary?
Alfred. Lucking-That Is objected to.
The Court-Take II,
A. II IL necessary now unless we have
a league Of nations7
Q. No war threatens now.
Alfred Lucking-Objected to as in
competent and immaterial.
The Court--You may take It
A. We want to end It now for all time
Q. There should be a great war to
settle II, unless we have league Of
nations?
A / think 10.
1915 and 1915. you did not think So
did, you2 You called them murderers?
Mr.. Lucking--We object to that.
The Court-Take II.
A. don't know whether they had in
mind the League OF Nations or not.
wants League Of Nations.
Q. You think now that preparedness
would be an insurance against war. don't
A. II II was used Immediately.
Judge Murphy objected to that as In.
competent
Q. Are you in favor Of having a great
army now. to 60 over and clean II up?
A. Unless we get a league OF nations.
Q. SO that, II we don't get a league
Of nations, you want this Government
this country. to 90 TO war again?
A. want them to clean 1t up now
| and for ali time to come.
Q. You still think men who 60 to war
are murderers?
Judge Murphy: I object to that as
incompetent and immaterial. All It calls
for Is his present view.
The Court: Take the answer.
A. Not men who are pressed into war.
q. Not the men who are pressed into
war?
A. No. sir.
Q. But the men who are pressed into
war have to be led by professional SOL
diers. haven't they7
A. They are the ones, yes.
Q. What Is thar?
A Tha profa. viar soidtar In 49, ar,
have referred to when say murderer"
Q. Then men like Gen. Pershing are
rr1urderers. Is that the idea?
A WE'LL
, Q. He Is a professional soldier. isn't
he?
A. don't know whether he Is not not.
Q. Don't you know that he is a grad
| uate of West Point?
A. think Gen. Pershing will say
that he has committed many q murder.
Q. You think that Gen. Pershing will
say he has committed murder?
A. Yes, sir.
"ktlfihs Any One Is Murder"
Q. He Is one Of the men that you clas-
sified as murderer. Is he?
,. A.. He is q professional soldier.
O., And you classified all professional
soldiers as murderersS
A. don't know what else It is but
murder.
Q. What do you mean by murder?
A. War. killing people.
q. Killing people because it IL neces-
sary to protect the interests Of the pub
lic do you call that murder?
A Killing any one Is murder.
Q. You think II is murder TO kill peo-
pie to uphold the rights Of the people Of
the United States?
A. II II Is necessary.
@. Let US go a little further on your
idea of murdsrers. You say all profess
sionai soidiers-and that includes Gen.
Pershing?
q. Gen. Grant was one OF those pro-
fessional soldiers, wasn't he?
A. Yes: and think he said that war
was murder. too.
O. Do you know OF any place where
he said that war was murder?
A. have been told SO; may be
mistaken.
Q. Gen. Sherman said that war was
he'll, hut he never said II was murder
that ever heard of. did your
| A. think Gen. Sheridan said It was
murder.
@. VIII you be good enough to get n
reference to anything where Gen. Sheri-
dan said any such thing. either Sher-
man or Sheridanf
Mr.. Lucidng-we will get the refer
enoo.
Q. Who told you Gen. Sheridan said
THAR
A. Some man sent in letter and said
1t was.
Q. But you didn't know that when
you wrote these letters. when you clas-
sihed them as murderers, did you?
classified as Murderers.
Al classified them as murdarers.
yes, sir.
Q. In what way do you distinguish
between the professional soldier and
the rank and hle2 You made no dis
tinction at all in your arguments, in
your statements here. did your
A. The professional soldier Is a man
who makes a living out of It
q. They make a pretty poor living,
compared with making automobiles.
don't they2
Judge Murphy: object to that.
The Court The objection Is good. II
Il sustained.
q. A professional soldier is a man
who devotes his life to the profession,
isn't he?
a. Yes.
q. And the men who devote their lives
to the interests OF their government,
without any hope OF any great reward,
you called murderers7
A. I said all professional soldiers were
murderers. people who made a living
out OF IL and killed people.
q, Now we will no TO murderers No