El Paso herald. (El Paso, Tex.) 1901-1931, 1919-06-14
FIRST,
LODGE URGES
Senator Says Treaty and
League Pact Should
Be Separated.

Continued rrUm page Il
TO a guarantee for a fixed period. say
five years, of the particular boun-
daries set up as a settlement OF this
war"
I inquired If the Massachusetts SEN
ator might regard the general provi-
sion Of the covenant which states the
powers shall have the right to con-
slider disputes anywhere at any time
as within the Jurisdiction Of the
league as a sufficient protection in
the event that external aggression
were ended and seemed to be pro-
vocative of war.
1T certainly is a wide sweeping
provision" he answered. and might
seem 70 contemplate jurisdiction over
such contingencies"
Senatorial Sentiment.
What is your judgment as to sena-
itself, the terms with Germany was
1 the next question.
IF the peace treaty with Ger
many were to have come to rs
separately there would be no hesi-
tnt1On abOut rotifyinE the treaty
ut once. Many of the senators
do not like certain parts of the
treaty but this would not prevent
ratification For instance. l have
heard an astonishing amount of
ment, much more than ! had ex-
pected. Senators seem to have the
feeling that we deserted n help
less, friendly ally. China. and
turned over German property to
Japan. whose record we all
know"
How could the peace treaty be
executed without a machinery like
the league Of nations2"
We'll. diplomatic commissions can
Z hn fr-rs l.
proposed that the league shall do.
Commissions in any event would have
( to be appointed under a league. They
can be selected and designated to do
the specific tasks postponed by the
Europe Must BE Helped.
do you consider that Europe must
be helped by America to get on her
feet AGAIN."
YES. because we alone have the
money and credit TO do it."
DO you not consider the league OF
nations Indispensable 10 the financing
Of Europe?r
Y do not All that is necessary to
begin process Of assisting Europe is
a state Of peace. 7 do not believe the
government OF the United States
should be obliged to keep on lending
money TO Europe I am advised by
bankers that various proposals can
be made effective whereby credits
ers- Mr. Fanderlip has one plan and
AIR. Dawson another. They seem to
think all the monetary interests OF
the United States could combine and
that the financing Of Europe should
not be confined 10 one group OF bank
ers. but all groups throughout the
United States"
Would not the acceptance Of such
huge financial obligations by Ameri-
can bankers involve the investing
public OF the United States TO such
an extent that II would be vitality in
terested in whether the governments
Of the various countries we're stable
and whether there was peace IN En-
roper
Yves. that would be an element Just
ike the weather or any other factor.
and we should want 10 see peace in
Europe anyway
should L. 5. Prevent European War:
DO you not believe that we ought
TO undertake to prevent outbreaks in
Europe that would threaten war;
i believe that we should not mix
in European affairs just as Europe
should not mix in American affairs.
btu. as was suggested in the last
paragraph Of the Knox resolution. we
could regard il as a matter OF grave
concern, and that is an important
phase in diplomacy. If any menace
10 the peace Of the world arose. and
We could agree TO consult with the
oIher powers as to the most effectual
mans OF removing the menace just as
We have in the recent war"
Root Proposals.
Would there be time to summarize
the senate objections and have them
Incorporated at Paris in the peace
There would. I suppose. be time.
but they were covered in the letter
from Mr.. Root. published some time
ago"
DO you believe the American dele
cation at Paris has been or would be
able to obtain a recognition OF the
Monroe doctrine such as Mr. Root
suggested. and the acceptance Of
other proposals made by him?"
i have been assured by high
European authority that there
never was n time when the other
powers were not ready to accept
any amendments America wanted,
hut I have been frankly told the
European delegates could not pro-
pose American amendments"
How viii the senate finally ex-
press its Objections2'
I am not sure. There are two
ways. Of course. either by amendment
or specific reservations. OF course.
amendments constitute an affirmative
way, but il is long and requires ne
ISOLATION; that is. must be formally
accepted by the other parties to the
treaty. The other way is to embOdy
cur reservations in the ratifying res
olution. Then. il the other powers
did not within a certain time express
dissent these reservations would be
considered to be q part Of the treaty
and binding upon the other parties
I quoted to senator Lodge a decision
Of justice Brown of the supreme court
of the United States to the effect that
resolutions not accepted as a part Of
the treaty were not binding. but he de-