The sun., 1919-09-07

LORD Chancellor In the House OF Lords
and the statement made by Mr.. Bonar
L, " in the House Of Commons, both
officially speaking for Mr.. Lloyd George
In which they stated that It was not his
intention and never had been to grant
was his purpose In having an interview
with us after we came back from Ireland
to state the English case to the Amer
lean press representatives, and serve
England, and not serve the people whom
we were representing over here7 Did
you read THAR"
Nov. Walsh," pursued the President.
IT am not going to discuss anything that
was said In the British House OF Com
mons or House of Lords, except to saw
this: that I was making an EFFORT, and
Col. House was making an effort, and
that we thought we were we'll on the
way Of getting De Valera and his assoc
ciates over here, but the speeches OF you
gentlemen gave such offense that the
whole thing had to be abandoned"
VIII Not Discuss Premier.
Mr.. President" said Mr.. Walsh. 81
have written a letter to- Mr.. Lansing,
asking him what were the utteranees
that offended these gentlemen and who
were the persons who were offended.
Perhaps you may be able, Mr.. President,
to answer it. Was 1t Mr.. Lloyd
George7"
II have not said anything about Mr..
Lloyd George" the President replied.
"Who was II then to whom we gave
offenser demanded Walsh.
The President replied: well. |
should say that you offended the whole
British Government"
well. then,' said Mr.. Walsh, "you do
not accept what Mr.. Lloyd George said
to the effect that he was not going to
allow them over In any event?''
Mr.. walsh. I am not going to dis
cuss Mr.. Lloyd George" snapped Mr.
Wilson. II want you gentlemen 10
understand that our position Is this
That we are dealing officially with these
Governments You would not want US
n make representations or engage in ar
Effort that might involve the sending OF
roops into Europe, and know that ouv
Heople would not want that What
an saying to you is that we cannot and
| under no circumstances could we have
ut any time since we have been here
| do anything in this matter of an officin
nature, but want to say to you that
/ have the deepest sympathy for Ireland
Il
the others when say that all we
could do unofficially we have been doing
and will do"
Mr. President" answered Mr.. Walsh
the Irish people believe in these
principles that you laid down. and be-
lieve that they come wholly within the
description Of a people whose people
have determined their own rights with
reference to their Government"
"I can imagine them, II any one de-
MED It. struggling to come into It al
Nnce II II were denied in the place where
hey expected they were to have 1t come
md to have II settled definitely once and
for ALL"
when I gave utterance to thoce
| words" said the President. II said them
without the knowledge that nationalitie;
existed. which are coming 70 US day after
| lay. OF course Ireland's case. from the
roint of view OF population, from the
-oint OF view OF the struggle It has made
from the point of interest that 1t has ex-
cited in the world, and especially among
our own people. whom 1 am anxious to
serve, is the outstanding case OF small
| nationality.
Baked by Treaties.
"You do not know and cannot appre-
| riate the anxieties that have expert
arced as the result Of these many mil
ions OF people having their hopes raised
" what I have said. For instance
lime after time raise a question here
| n accordance with these principles, and
: am met with the statement that Great
Britain or France or some Of the Other
| countries have entered into a solemn
treaty Obligation. tell them that II was
not in accord with justice and human