The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-01-18
HENEY SAYS Big 5
FIXED WAR PRICES
Asks Cooper Union Whether
People or Chicago Packers
Shall Rule the Nation.
ALLEGES WHISKEY BRIBE
Stirs Enthusiasm, but Mooney
Man Asks Why Recall Is
Not Invoked for Him.

Francis J. Heney. the same who eS-
posed Representative Jim Manns Swift
gift horse and beefsteak, told a charac-
teristic Cooper Union audience last
night how a lawyer for two OF the Big
Five packing houses had tried to make
drunk IIeney's guard, or rather the
Federal Trade Commission investigators
guard, over the Veeder vaults wherein
reposed the swift letter flies and their
evidence about the horse and the steak
and Representative Mann.
There were three' guards outside tho
vault" he said. THE packers had one.
the Marshal had one and we had one.
When we put this lawyer on the stand
the first thing he said was that he
wouldn't testify for fear he'd incriminate
nunity oath. We did and he told an
interesting story.
Then he dropped around to the vault
and talked with our guard. You're
bright young fellow he told him. You
can't be making tho money here working
for the Government that a young man
| like you needs to get ahead. / suppose
you smoke and drink. Will you come up
| to my Office tomorrow and see me-
The guard told me, and directed him
! to write me n letter, reporting It all. and
| then go to the lawyers office and write
| me what had happened. He was given
| two bottles of whiskey, good whiskey,
| too. the Same brand l drink myself when
/ drink any. OF course. the idea was to
| make him drunk"
Evolution Is Rather Tame.
| Mr.. Heney was the principal speaker
| at n Peoples Institute meeting on the
| topic, shall the Packers or the People
| Ruler" He spoke for an hour and a
| half. and stirred up great enthusiasm.
| but periodically let it down by saying
| what he believed in was evolution
| toward better conditions. His hearers
| seemed to think evolution was tame.
"In California" he said. we've got
| actual democracy. because we've got the
| initiative, referendum and recall, and
| the best and most practical version OF
them in operation anywhere, and |
| know. for ] drew up the measures and
helped to put them through"
! Then why don't they free Tom
| Mooney II they've got the recall?" de-
pleasure. Mr.. Heney shot hack his
answer with his voice at a pitch that
woke the old halls echoes:
| MY friend, the majority In California
! have the power now to do anything they
| want to do. but mankind has been in
slavery many years. and realization
| making for evolution is slow in spread
| ing"
The trouble was, he said. that you
| couldn't get the facts TO the people. Ii
! the people knew all the facts l know
not man In Congress would dare to
| vote contrary TO a bill putting public
| utilities into Government ownership and
operation" This was to be the cure for
| special privilege.
Publicity Proves n Problem.
Going on to arraign the nisdeeds OF
the great packers. ne asked at one point;
Who's responsible?'
THE press said a voice with A rich
foreign accent.
| We'll. J think you're right in a very
| large part" said the foe to rnonopolies
That's the great problem. So far
| 10 be got around"
lie said the price OF saddles, harness
and shoes for our armies had been fixed
ny the packers in unlawful combination
We're fighting worlds war for poll
teal democracy"
ITS n Joke" yelled another back
scatter.
- and CT what value is political
democracy itself (applause) except as
a means TO an end? And that end
Thomas Jefferson stated. It's to main
tain equality OF opportunity for the
many" The audience thought this over
and decided to applaud.
II for ore can see no difference before
| the law between n red shirt anarchist
and a silk hat anarchist. except that the
| silk hat anarchist is by far the more
| dangerous OF the two" Tremendous en-
thusisRn. II believe that the hope of
| nkipd lias n
| No Applause for Antfcltmax.
| Awful silence with two or three ten
tative handclaps. We'll, l didn't expect
| that to raise as much applause as the
| other.
| Daniel Webster said that In any
country where the wealth was allowed TO
get into the hands OF the few one OF two
things would happen-the people would
| either become subservient TO the few or
| else they would take 1t away from
them" A voice. And well take il
away" Voice loudly applauded.
| Mr.. Heney said he did not believe in
| prosecution as a cure for economic ills,
but he did believe wrongdoers ought to
| be punished. He himself was out OF the
| prosecution business and now occupied
| In figuring on cause and effect and
| how TO remove cause. He named three
large New York banking concerns as
being behind the big five packers and
| having subsid iaries in the operation OF
| stock control Of the packing industry.
| The Cudahy packing business. he said
| was doomed as soon as the others should
calculate that the people would stand
! for further Capitalization.