Arizona republican., 1919-08-07
LANSINC'S MEMORY FAILS. HIM WHEN SENATOR'S SEEK
 FACTS ON NEGOTIATIONS
RapdFe Questioning Confuses Secretary of State, Who Requests Time to Prepare Statement-Opines That
 the Shantung Provision Not Square with Wilson's Principle of Sef-Deermination- Evasve Witness

without the Shantung decision?"
 "G think SO"
 Senator Johnson suggested that. had the Shantung clause not been adopted the treaty and league covenant would have had another signature.
 Take Japan-Lose China We would have had Chinas," MT. Lansing agreed.
 So the result was simply to lose China?" suggested Senator Johnson. That is my personal view the sec retary answered. adding that the Shan tung provision was accepted by de- cision of President Wilson.
 "The decision was his then, and not yours?"
 Necessarily"
 Senator Johnson asked if Secretary Lansing had heard officially any req son for the Shantung agreement. MT. Lansing replied negatively adding that he had never discussed the matter with Col. House
 Questioned in detail Secretary Lam sing reaffirmed his statement that the l4 points were substantially" carried out
 Regarding the first point, dealing with "open covenants openly arrived at he said:
 T consider that was carried out Of course no negotiations can go on be- tween nations that are done in public or at public hearing"
 Freedom of Seas Not Consider
 Freedom of the seas the second point, the secretary said, did not enter into the negotiations.
 Isn't it a fact that England would not let it be considered?" asked Sena- tor Johnson.
 No, it never came up
 Equality of trade conditions were established the secretary said on the third point. The fourth for reduction of armament he declared was effected by the league covenant.
 Imposes Moral Obligation
 But there is no arrangement for reduction there except at the option of nations protested Senator Johnson.
 The covenant imposes a moral ob- ligation' the secretary replied.
 That's quite true of the entire cov- enant. Every nation ultimately has veto. There is no more modification of sovereignty than there is in the treaty by which we guaranteed the sovereignty of Panama.
 Discussing the fifth point relative to Germany's colonial possessions the sec retary said the mandatory system would carry out the principle laid down by the president.
 Have any mandatories been sug- gested for the United States ?" Sena- tor Johnson asked.
 "Oh many
 Any that the United States has ten tatively agreed to-"
 None"
 Sixth Point Carried Out
 The Russhian problem dealt with the sixth point and could not be taken up by the conference, the secretary said while the seventh and eighth, relative to Belgium and France, had been car ried out. The point relative to Italian | borders was tobe worked out in other treaties. The tenth, eleventh and twelfth. regarding Balkan conditions and Turkey also would be worked out later. She thirteenth and fourteenth points, relative to Poland and the league, the secretary said he consid- cred carried out. Admits Violation Senator Lodge quoted the principle | of self f-determination laid down, by President Wilson, and Senator John- | son asked whether thatw as not vio- lated by the Shantung settlement. Yes" sadi Secretary Lansing. | When Senator Johnson began a ser ies of questions regarding the repara- l tonis commission, the secretary pro- 1 tested that it wa simpossible for him to be personally familiar with all the de- tails of the treaty. 1 Tt is much easier" said MT. Lan- sing. Ito ask questions prepared be- ! forehand than it is to answer them without detailed preparations
 Opposed to Preparations
 While no decision had been reached as to the United States accepting separations from Germanoy, Secretary Lansing said he personally was op- | posed to it. He assumed" that was l also President Wilson's position. | Discussing the obligations assumed under artclie ten, by which the league members agreed mutually to guaran tee each others territorial integrity against external aggression, MT. Ian sing said he presumed in honor we would have to follow out the genera purposes embodied in that article, though he thought there would be nc legal obligation" He said the cove nant went no further than the Panama treaty in that regard, and that the word aggression was a very importan item of this article.
 The word cares ithe implication of a wrongful act" continued the sec.
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