New-York tribune., 1919-07-18
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Shipping Plot
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was defeated by an overwhelming
vote. 3
Mr.. Holland said, in answer to oues-
tlons, that the Amalgamated Garment
workers did not believe in government
and approved the soviet doctrines NJ
Lenine and Trotzky.
Charges Against Pressmen
The witness further explained that
.here were certain locals of the print
ing trade unions that were somewhat
radical. and he was asked:
You have in mind an organization
president?"
Local %, of the International Press
men. yes" he replied.
has he ever expressed himself as
favoring the soviet form of govern
"He would favor any kind of govern
ment that would overthrow the United
states government, and has openly
stated So"
Mr.. Holland volunteered the infor-
nation that sabotage had been advo-
Gated on the floor of the Central Fed
Grated Union. Senator Mullen, the act
ing chairman, asked the witness:
Has 1t been brought to your atten-
tlon that any appreciable number of
radical leaders have been advocating
sabotage ?"
Yes" he replied, "the name you
mentloned few minutes ago, Mr..
bagley, preached that on the floor of
the central Federated Union, not alone
to break up the government but to
smash the printing presses"
And when they have spoken about
revolution, they have not taken pains
to explain that this is to be q peaceful
revolution ?"
mo; they claim that wherever there
Is revolution somebody loses blood,
and they believe the blood should come
from the capitalist class"
Practices of the Radicals
The radicals, according to Mr.. Hol-
land. make practice Of sending out
their agitators to the Industrial CEN
tres where strikes are in progress.
They come at time when the work
ers, minds are inflamed and preach
sedition and the immediate overthrow
of the government by force
HAS this sort Of agitation you
describe been going on since the pres
ent prohibition agitation has been
brought about?" Senator Martin asked
"Oh! it came before the prohibition
question was up" Mr.. Holland replied
"The prohibition question was taken as
joke, but they put the joke over"
Mr.. Stevenson then asked the wit
ness whether those who opposed war
with Germany were ready to fight in
class war and received the follow
ing reply:
~ never heard them say they would
fight mselves, but they would like
to have somebody else do the fighting
for them. They are always clever
enough to say: You ought to go out
and fight They do not say. we will
lead YOU They aren't game enough.
Mr.. Holland attacked the state work
mems compensation law, and said the
casualty companies were robbing the
workers who were supposed to benefit
by it. He added that he believed the
laboring people of the country would
soon form a political party that would
] not be controlled by the Socialists or
the Bolsheviki.
No Starving ProIetariat
Assistant District Attorney Alexan-
der Rorke, who has been assigned to
the committee, asked:
80 far as your observation goes. at
the present time is there any starving
proletariat in the State of New York %
The witnesses replied there was not
Mr.. Holland said the so-called intel
lectuals who knew nothing about work
sought to lead the laboring people.
1t was announced at the session yes
tcrday that Commissioner Enright had
assigned Inspector Faurot and Detec-
tives Brown and Geegan, of the bomb
squad, to cooperate with the commit
tee. Brown was present yesterday and
will follow any leads developed by the
committee.
Deputy Attorney General Samue,
Berger appeared yesterday morning
before Justice HFcAvoy in the Supreme
Court and. had the temporary writ o1
prohibition obtained in behalf Of the
Rand School on Wednesday dismissed
At the hearing Mr.. Berger asserted
that the writ granted to the Ranc
School had been irregularly obtained
and was contrary to the provisions Of
the Code Of Civil Procedure.
This writ, which was obtained by
S. John Block in behalf of the radi
calls. restrained the members of the
Lusk committee from using the docu
ments and files seized in the recent
raid on the Rand School. The Lusl
committee will resume its hearing to-
day at 1880.