The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-08-07

prior TO sitting at Paris az to the draft
OF q ieageu OF nationsf
Lansing; Yes
johnson Was the draft agreed upon
by the American delegates prior to the
meeting Of the conference at Paris7
Lansing: No. because what we had
was the American plan.
johnson: That is what mean HAD
you agreed on an American plant
Lansing, Not definitely.
johnson; Tentatively
Lansingi Well. possibly. II was
largely. Of course, in the hands Of the
were and who gave oral instructions to
his Representatives
johnson: But assume, Of course.
that you saw that plan7
Lansing: aid.
johnson; You read it1
Lansing. Yes
johnson: Generally speaking. you re-
call what was In ~, DO you mott
am not examining you now as to what
was in II. but DO you not recall gem
orally what was In III
Lansing: Well. have rather a hazy
idea because Il was not followed up.
Johnson: What do you mean by ut
was not followed up?'
Plan Not Sent to Senate.
Lansing: Because Il at once went
into open consultation and there was
redraft made. think the President
has cent all those to the Senate, has
he not?
Johnson: II he has did not know II.
Lodge: They have not been received
Johnson: We did ask for them, but
ala not know that they had been re-
Lodge: We asked for them three
weeks ago. but they have not been re-
ceived
Mr.. Lansing said he had submitted
proposed resolution for the League
or Nations conference which had not
been acted on. Senator johnson then
read what he said was Article x. Of the
rejected American draft Of the league.
Mr.. Lansing was not sure he could
recognise II as genuine. He said he
did not know who originated the same
article In the SHUTS covenant
What drafts of the league were re-
ferred to the American commission
asked Senator johnson
Secretary Lansing: cannot tell you
exactly. OF course, we had an Ameri-
can draft and then subsequently, there
was a preliminary draft that was the
basis, I think. Of the discussion in the
Commission on the League Of Nations.
How that was drafted do not know.
and then the Commission on the League
OF Nations made corrections and re-
drafted II. and that went on several
times I think
Johnson; In your original suggestions
as to what should be included in the
League OF Nations did you have any
thing IN respect to any such matter
such as Article x?
Lansing: Yes.
Johnson Did you carry Il out?
Lansing: think SO.
johnson: And does the peace treaty.
Lansing: As far as possible. OF
course. you understand II you have
been In any negotiations of this kind
can appeal TO Senator Knox. who
knows II is absolutely impossible to
get twenty-three nations to carry out
the exact wishes Of one
Johnson: am not questioning that.
Lansing: Well. Il sounds SO.
johnson: 1 am seeking information
upon the subject. Did you. In your
opinion. carry out In the peace treat,
the fourteen points substantially?
Lansing: think we did substantially
Johnson: When you say ''svbstan-
TALLY" you mean substantially you car
ried out each particular point embraced
within the fourteen points7
Lansing: I think It was.
johnson: Were there any designations
Of experts during any of the period over
there?
Says Two Men Quit Posts.
Lansing: think two men resigned.
-
to be perfectly blunt in the matter.
was the resignation on the plain moral
grounds at issue?
Lansing: Who resigned?
johnson; do not know; l am asking
you II anybody did.
Lansing; / do not know that any one
on that never heard Of Il.
Johnson; Were there any protests
1t by any OF your expertsf
Lansing: None.
Johnson: Did not some of them pro-
test upon plain moral grounds against
the Shantung decision?
Lansing: Certainly.
Johnson: VINO were they?
Lansing: Prof. e. T. Williams and
Capt. Hornbeck
johnson Did not Prof. williams in
the plainest language protest against
The shantung decision on moral grounds
because he said the moral question had
not been metz
Lansing: do not recall It in that
form at all.
After some question Mr.. Lansing
finally admitted that the various pro-
at Paris were geographically
Senator johnson asked him
who had the transcribed stenoSraphic
notes. Mr. Lansing replied: at 10 dif-
hcult to say think there were two
reports and yet / Am not
sure about that-one French
and the other English and in certain
Eases. in dealing with the Austrians.
L was translated into italian also so
there were three reports. and where
hose stenographic reports are I do not
KNOW"
Mr.. Lansing did not know whether
he had copies available. He did not
know whether an accurate record eN-
lists OF all that was done concerning
The league. He said the President had
rabled Premier Clemenceau to withhold
The accounts OF these debates from the
Wrench Senate On the principle that the
,ther Governments concerned should
rst consent, despite the principle OF
open covenants Of peace openly ar
rived at"
"whsrs are these proofs verbeaux'
1t the present timer asked Senator
Johnson.
IT have not the slightest idea 1 have
never seen them" answered Mr.. Lansing
The Secretary added that he had no
account resume or recapitulation OF the
leading to the formation OF
he league covenant. Col. House Is bet
Ter informed on these matters. the Sec
retary said. He added that he did not
rnow when Col. House would be here,
Dut that he could be reached by cabling