The sun., 1919-07-23
A. we'll. I don't remember.

A. Well. don't remember.
Q. / mean the substance Of Il. I don't
mean the language.
A. No, don't remember saying any
thing like that.
Q. You knew this gentleman came q
long way to interview your
A knew he came to Mr. Liebold
and talked to him and said he wanted
some article, and Mr.. Liebold told him
that he should submit whatever he said
to US. 1 understand he did not submit
II. OF course 1 didn't read It or hear
anything more of II
O., He did talk with you, didn't he?
A. He did talk with me q little while
at the tractor plant.
Q. You cannot recall thing that you
talked about?
A. have seen hundreds since. and
don't recall scarcely anything. 1 did
talk about Mr.. Hearst little bit
Q. Do you recall meeting Mr.. ABBOTT
at the New York Athletic Club at lunch
con one day?
A I don't think was ever at 'ths
athletic club.
O. cali attention to the address of
the President to Congress- You under
stand. Mr.. Ford, that as each session
convenes the President, under the dis
charge of his constitutional duty, ad-
vises Congress as to those things he
thinks their attention ought to be de
rected to in the way Of legislation? il
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Or proposed legislation?
A. Yes, sir.
Forgets Message to Congress.
Q. This is the address that President
Wilson made to Congress at the opening
Of the session in 1915.
A. Yes. sir.
Q. Which was just about the time you
were sailing for the old country on your
peace ship?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. You recall also. do you not, that
you were sailing about the time that
Congress was opening?
A. No; l don't recall that.
Q. Don't you recall that Just before
leaving you addressed a communication
to the members OF Congress?
A. don't recall that no. sir.
q. This is that portion of the Presi-
dents address relating to this subject
OF preparedness at the opening of Con-
gress, December. 1915.
Mr.. Stevenson then read the Presi-
dents address to Congress touching on
military needs.
Wilson Equal to Lincoln.
Q. That is a portion Of the address OF
the President to Congress, including the
Senate and House, as you understand it,
Mr.. Ford?
A. Yes.
Q. In that you note that he urges as
imperative, absolutely Imperative, the
increase In the army and the increase in
the navy. You noted that?
A. Yes.
Q. What did you refer to by saying
In booklet in September, 1915. Just
as Abraham Lincoln was given in an
other time of stress and peril, America
to-day should give thanks to Providence
that a man like Woodrow Wilson. who
cannot be swayed by the military clique.
is given to the country just as Abraham
Lincoln was given in another time of
stress and peril?"
A. l inferred that he was equal to
him, perhaps.
Q. Do you recall this from President
Lincoln: Must 1 shoot a simple minded
soldier who deserts, while / must not
touch a hair of the willy agitator who
induces him to desert?'' Do you recall
that?
A. No. don't recall that.
Q. Do you recall this from President
Lincoln: He who dissuades, one man
from volunteering, or induces one man
to desert. weakens the Union cause as
much as he who kills Union soldier in
battle"
A. They were in war then. weren't
they?
Agrees With Lincoln's Views.
Q. And needed to increase the army
to protect the cause of the Union?
A When they were In war. yes.
Q. Do you agree with those senti-
ments?