The sun., 1919-07-17

A. guess Mr.. Delsvigns meant just
wlint he said In Il.
q. Did you mean to convey the idss
| that our army was inadequate to meet
any other foreign army?
A. IL II Ia In the book will accept II.
.. That does not quite answer the
question fairly. Ir. Ford.
Responsible for book.
A. II Mr.. Delavigne hunted UP thu
facts l will have to accept Il; I told
you that ] am responsible for what ID
In the book.
published7 4s
A. ] don't think 50.
Q. You don't know whether what wps
set out In that connection was anything
that YOU knew anything about at all?
| A. Perhaps not
Q. Do you recall that you did know
anything about it7
A. No, don't recall.
Q. Yet you were undertaking to edu-
cate the people on those Questions7
Objection sustained by the court
q. How much Of an army did we
have?
A. understood sixty or seventy
thousand.
Q. How were they disposed Off
A. l don't know; I don't remember I
know we were advocating about that
time for O bigger, larger army.
Q. Do you know how the army was
erployed1
A. I said disposed Of; perhaps you ala
not catch the meaning. I mean by that
how they are employed. I DIDN'T know
no. sir.
Q. DID you know that there was a
considerable portion OF II employed out.
aide Of the United States7
A. ! didn't know very much about Il,
Mr.. Stevenson; have never been very
much interested In armies
Q. You had sufficient interest 10
tell the American people whether they
were prepared or not?
Prepared to BE Goused.
Prepared to get goused again. pre-.
pared to be exploited, yes.
Q: And TO tell them that they did not
need any moro army?
| more army
q. And that all the army they had
| was a waste?
A. The army they had was q waste,
| yes, sir.
@. And yet you didn't know whether
the sixty or seventy thousand that you
speak OF was employed In the United
states or out Of tho United States?
A. did not know where they were.
e. From your study, OF this question
did you know where they were needed
outside Of the United states7
\ A. Not at the time don't remember.
q. Do you know of any possessions
that we have outside of the United
States?
A know of the Philippines. and pos.
sioly some Of the army was there.
O. Didn't you know that a part Of the
army was necessarily kept there.
A. Possibly.
Q, Do you know whether there was
any In Alaska?
A. don't remember that
Q. Do you know whether there was
any In Porto Rico?
A don't remember that.
Q. Do we have any relations with
Porto Rico?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What:
A. We keep some OF the army there.
I guess.
Q. What other relations between Porto
Rico and the United States?
The Court think that is far, far
and away outside OF the case, Mr. Stew
enson. II lie rather an intricate relation
to ask the witness on the stand to ex.
plain to you.
Was Candidate for senate.
Mr. Stevenson-Ths witness, your
Honor. was q candidate for the United
states Senate: he was an educator of
the people: surely the standard that
applies to the ordinary average man
! who has not had any occasion to pre.
pare himself to educate the people or
to qualify himself as a statesman does
| not apply TO Nfr. Ford.
The Court-No. but there must be a
limit to 1t somewhere. It strikes me you
have reached II.
! Mr.. Stevenson--If your Honor plea Sc,
I cannot cut of this examination until
| we exhaust Mr.. Ford's knowledge on
| these subjects, whether what he advo.
Gated OF his views to the people had a
bearing upon his attempt to render the
| Government unable TO discharge Its
| duties.
| The Court--It strikes me you have
| covered. all that ground
The witness-l could hnd a man in Ave
minutes that would tell me all about t.
Q. You could find a man who could
| I'LL your place in the United States Sen.
A. / never wanted to 60 to the United
| States Senate,
Mr.. Stevenson--I might add that the
people did not want him; but l won't,
| your Honor.
| Judge Murphy--That remark is un.
called for. your Honor
The Court think it is myself
| Mr.. Lucking--That was a dirty ire
uainder inaudible to stenographer).
Mr.. SteVenson--More OF this talk that
has been going on.
Mr.. Luckins-Did your Honor hear
what he said?
Remark n "Dirty sIur."
! Mr.. stevenson--I thought spoke loud
! enough for everybody to hear. He sud
That Is dirty slur," In the hearing @of
the Jury.
| The Court-Mr Lucking, think you
! make remarks like that in the presence
r Of the jury. You are close to them.
Mr.. Lucking-Which remark: DIRTY
slur?"
The Court-Yes.
Mr., Lucking--I said II so counsel could
hear Il.
| Mr.. Stevenson--I am close to the fury
Mr.. LuckinG-What counsel said was
totally outside OF the question, your
| Honor.
Tho court--That has nothing to dc
with this case at all and II will not &c
on II can help II.
| Q. Now. Mr.. Ford. you were asked
yesterday and made an answer as to
| what the fundamentals of the Govern
ment were. You said Justice. Have you
thought about that any more7
| NAyAr thnnRht If q Rin~a hNk