The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1916-1920, 1919-10-03

harm. Concentrated capital has the adj
vantage over the individual If IL is In
the hands Of men disposed to be unfair.
i, For that reason concentrated capital
should be supervised and controlled to
prevent wrongs Prosperity depends upon
enforcing right policies. To the same
extent that concentrated capital is COR
trolled concentrated labor should also
be controlled. There is no difference.
Discrimination Is the real evil. Equal
rights for all is our proper aim.
J Il want you to know that / claim
to wish for the same beneficial results
that you desire. l am no different from
you. On the basis of our experience of
what is practicable and workable.
simply see dangers that one of less ex-
pertence perhaps could not see. / d.
not desire TO evade or to antagoniZe
You have suggested, an interesting
and possible basis Of legislation" said
Senator Jones, but 1t does not include
a settlement of this strike. Have you
any proposal for reaching that settle
ment7'
! YES have" replied Judge Gary. "See
to II that nowhere is the law violated.
and that the peace Is maintained, that
men are free to. do as they please within
the law. Then employers and employees
will settle It for themselves. Leave 1t
for them. If at any time you think the
United States Steel Corporation is doing
wrong, come and see me and will sat
isfy you IL / can"
Then, Judge. you would be willing to
meet the committee?" suggested Senator
Kenyon.
How He'd Meet Labor Leaders.
Yes, and 1 would be willing to meet
union labor leaders in the way that do
your committee"
Certainly you would" replied Sena-
tor Kenyon. 80, why did not you an
swer the letter Mr.. Gompers wrote you
two months ago?"
Because he knew I would not answer
him in his capacity as a union labor
leader He was asking for something I
had just refused, and he knew why had
refused it."
isn't that a good deal like the atti-
tude Of some labor people who refused to
recognize you because you are a repre-
sentative of organized capital?' said
Senator Walsh.
II don't think It Isl replied Judge
Gary.
Have not capital and labor made
some mistakes? When that is so. is not
arbitration the right procedure?" asked
Mr.. Walsh.
THAT depends upon the circum-
stances" replied Judge Gary. eff
should come to you, Senator, and say 1
think you have been making a mistake
in the training of your family. and you
should deny 1t, suppose I should then
propose that we arbitrate. I imagine
you would pretty promptly refuse"
You don't consider then" Senator
Walsh replied, that the relation of the
Steel Corporation to its employees Is
parallel to the relation of the parent to
the child?"
mo, but II is an intimate and a
friendly relationship and constantly be-
comes more 80. We treat our employees
fairly, in no patronizing way, but as
our associates in the industry In 1908,
when our general solicitor called our
casualty managers together to organize
tyr the prevention of accidents, 1 ad-
blessed them. I said we would like to
take part in any movement for the
better condition of employees and that
II money was needed it would be pro-
Vided to carry out recommendations
looking to the greater safety of workers.
told our legal department that we
should expect 1t to do everything pos
sible to promote safety and prevent acct
!. dents. We wanted recommendations
made that would furnish a basis for
action in this direction.
Efforts to Prevent Accidents.
Later, in 1912, in a letter 1 stated
that we expected every effort to be made
TO prevent injuries in the works II new
types Of machinery were needed for this
. purpose we would furnish them, and the
, need OF money would not stand in the
way of achieving greater safety.
II "As result of that policy there has
been a wonderful decrease in the num-
Der of accidents. In my talks with our
managers and presidents / have always
put forward the consideration of our
employees interests do not say this
boastingly. 1t is simply our policy, as
J it is to our interest"
/ ION yesterday, Judge Gary. you said
} something about a plan of maintain
ing relations between employers and en-
! ployees through a scheme of shop COM
mittees.' suggested Senator Kenyon
These committees were to represent the
men in their dealings and presentation
of grievances and suggest them to the
. employers. Can you develop that plan
somewhat further for us?"
Il said that some of our companies
; have plans which the unions oppose
along that line, and that we are watch
ing their development in the hope OF
learning what will be beneficial to the
> men, In order that we may be guided
in determining what we may do"
you recognize, Judge Gary, that we
are living in new and greatly changed
world suggested Senator Kenyon.
, II hope the changes will represent
: Improvement" replied Judge Gary. 81
I am a great optimist, but not an optimist
, to the degree that 1 can shut my eyes
' to the dangers around u.s."
a "In your opinion IL the present In.
, dustrial and social unrest the symptom
: OF a disease or merely sporadic?" asked
Senator Kenyon.
2 Gary's View of Cause OF Unrest.
'It is both. There have been wrong.
t and they are being corrected. The wal
= disturbed the minds Of many people
= Elements that I may call vicious arr
n seeking. We are told. to bring about rev
d olution."
: "Are you familiar with the Legislation
II pending in the British Parliament fol
: the creation of a royal Industrial com.
mission" asked Senator Kenyon.
Eyes. have heard something of II, ;
+ replied Judge Gary. IT think there /.
r danger of going to extremes. Lloyt
: George, as you know. has a good dea
> changed his views in recent years."
h Eyes, wise men do change their mind
d at times" replied Senator Kenyon.
: "And some men never do" retortet
i Judge Gary. "I would like m Iry,ouy a, q,