New-York tribune., 1918-04-24
Government Wants His
Version of 81 Will Not
Kill" Interview
Quoted in Dispatches
AS Denying Approval
Artist Young Explains His
Cartoons-Dell Says He
Expects to Fight

George Creel, chairman of the Com
mittee on Public Information, will be
requested to appear as a witness for
the government in the trial of the four
members of the staff of "The Masses"
who are charged with conspiracy to
obstruct enlistment and recruiting. Mr..
Creel will be asked to explain whether
ne gave his consent to the publication
II The Masses" of an advertisement
;ch urged people to sign a pledge:
81 wiu not kill not help to kill my
fellow men,
The advertisement. which was in
serted by Mrs. J. Sergeant Cram to
promote an organization knows as the
World Patriots. appeared in the issue
Of the magazine for June last year,
and. according to testimony given on
Monday by Merrill Rogers, business
manager, who is one Of the defendants,
the advertisement was taken to Wash
ington before its publication, and, a.
Mrs Grams request. was submitted 10
Mr.. Creel, who found no objection
10 it."
Assistant District Attorney Earl
Barnes. who is conducting the prosecu-
ton before Federal Judge Augustus c.
Hand, said yesterday Mr.. Creers pres
ence as witness would be sought.
will Mr.. Creel be summoned" ?" Mr..
Barnes was asked.
"No," replied Mr.. Barnes. eve will
not summon government official. We
will request Mr. Creel to appear. and
if he can get away from Washington
we arc sure he will come"
Creel Quoted in Denial
Dispatches from Washington yester-
day gave denials from Mr.. Creel that
ne aver "approved' Of the advertise
meat referred to IN Mr.. Rogers testi-
mony.
Rogers did not testify that Mr.. Creel
"approvcd" OF it or that he read the
entire contents OF the magazine or even
the entire advertisement.
What does 2 cartoonist mean by his
cartoons" was a question put before
the jury when Arthur Young, an
artist and defendant with Max East
man, Mr.. Rogers and Floyd Dell, took
the stand: Mr.. Barnes presented a car
toon published in the issue Of "The
Masses" for last August. The cartoon
represents a group OF capitalists at a
table looking. over war plans, while
Congress. personifed by man in an
humble attitude, is being waved out
Of the door.
u notice below this picture are
printed these lines" said Mr.. Barnes:
"'Congress: Excuse ne. gentlemen.
where do | come in?' Big Business:
Run along now; We got through with
you when you declared war for US" ,
What did you mean by that"
ya11 \ I
cartoon as a result CT a conference
with friends in Congress, who told me
the control OF the war had been
usurped by presidents of lumber COM
panies. presidents of railroads and
presidents OF this and that"
Dell in the Draft
Did you intend the cartoon to in
dnce men to refuse to enlist or to
evade the draft >" asked Morris Hill
quit, counsel fer the defence
Il cid not" replied Mr.. Young. 81
tried 20 present serious situation,
humorously but forcefully. for the
public good
Mr.. Dell, the last Of the defendants
10 take the stand, testified that he is
IN the draft and expects to ser%e.
When questioned about articles he
had published IN opposition to the en-
actment Of the conscription law Mr..
Dell whipped out of his pocket news
paper clipping Of President Wilson's
letter TO Senator Overman, in which
the President said OF the Chamberlain
court martial bill: 81 think it is not
only unconstitutional. but that in char
scter il would put US nearly upon the
ieyel Of the very people we are fight
ing and affecting to despise."
The President describes exactly my
frame o. mind when published ar
.icies against conscription, which then
nad not been adopted" said Mr.. Dell.
Ar Dell probably will resume the
stand when the trial is continued this
morning