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The Abbeville press and banner. [volume] (Abbeville, S.C.) 1869-1924, 1918-05-03
PR O G R A M
P, r OGR M
of the
Annual Reunion, South Carolina Division
u. G.. V.
Abbeville, S. c., May 7-S, 1913.
TUESDAY, MAY 9TH, 1918.

TUESDAY, MAY 7th, 1918.
to II 100 A. M-Southern Airs by Band in front Opera
House, while Convention assemblies.
10 00 M-Ocers Of the Brigade and Camps will report at
Headquarters for orders. 49,. ..... -. H. - ;.
II 100 A. MOpenng Exercises of the Reunion, S. g. Dvis
ion United Confederate Veterans.
Music by Band.
Meeting called to order by Hon. Fuller Lyon Camp Sc
Doxology by selected choir which entire audience is
invited to join. .. -" 49,.
1nvoeation-By Division Chaplain Lieut.. COL F. O. ourto
Address of Welcome on Behalf of State by His Exceency
Richard l. Manning -"
Music. -. -
Address of Welcome on Behalf of City Of Abbeve Hon.
Words of Welcome Behalf of the Daughters of the Con
federacy, Mrs Lucy Thomson, Ex-Presdent Abbeville
Address of Welcome on Behalf Local Camp Mr. j. Gilbert
Commander.
Address of Welcome for Local Sons Of Veterans Hon.
Duet-Mrs. Kerr and Miss Stark
Chairman of Meeting Delivers the Gave to B. H. Teague
Major General, Commanding S. c. Division U. G. '.
Response on Behalf of S. c. Division United Confederate
Veterans, Col. j. L. Wardlaw, Columbia, S; G:
Response Behalf S. c. Division u S. Co. Col A. L. Gaston
Chester, S. G. ~..-.
Presentation of Gen. Irvine G. Walker Honorary Comman-
der-in- Chief United Confederate Veterans.
Annual Grafton, Gen. NJ. L. Bonham, Anderson S. G.
Announcements. .
Dinner for ALI Veterans
3 90 P M-Business Meeting at Opera House
100 600 P MReception Public Square for Veterans
and Visitors
8 80 P M.-Music by Band.
Presentation of Sponsors Maids and Matrons of Divisions
Brigades and Camps, by Commander league.
Camp Scenes On Public Square, Tentng the Old Camp
Ground" and other war songs
Taps
WEDNESDAY, MAY 9Th, 1918.
93O to 100 A. M-Musc by Band in front Opera House.
10 OO A. M-Ocers of Brigades and Camps will report at
Headquarters for orders
10 80 A. M-Business Meeting at Opera House.
Music by Selected Choir.
Invocation by Asst Chaplain, Major NJ. W. Hitt
II 80 A. MMemorial Services to the Confederate Dead and
Tribute to the Women of the Confederacy
Music by Band
200 differentiation Of Mrs John Cart, Orangeburg s.
c.. President of S. G. Division I. D. c.
Address by other speakers.
Music.
Election of Officers.
Adjournment
Benedicon by the Chaplain General.
/ 80 P. M:-Dinner for all Veterans.
4 100 to :O0 P. M-Veterans on Leave.
5 80 P. M.-Veterans Parade
900 P M-Reception to Veterans and Visitors at Opera
House.
80 P M-Annual Reunion Bal-From $50 to 10 80 F. NJ
floor of hall will be reserved to Veterans officials visiting
and leading ladies.
The Sons of Veterans will hol their Convention at the
time that the Convention Of Veterans is held.
The Abbeville press and banner. [volume] (Abbeville, S.C.) 1869-1924, 1918-05-03
IN FRANCE.

News from Lieut.. Carol Sweten-
burg says he has landed safely in
France.
The Abbeville press and banner. [volume] (Abbeville, S.C.) 1869-1924, 1918-05-03
New Army Estimate
Based on Determina-
ton to Win War.
MANPOWER OF NATION
's@ AVAILABLE FOR TASK
Secretary Baker Goes to Congress
Today Expected to Explain That
Department Believes it Can
Handle Double Number Now
Under Arms.

washington, May l.-SecreCary
Baker will carry to congress to-
morrow the army increase program
mapped out by President Wilson and
his advisers based on the determi-
nation to win the war if it takes the
whole manpower of the nation to
do it. There are indications that he
will ask that all restrictions on the
number of troops to be raised be re-
moved and the government author
lied to mobilize as many men as it
can equip, train and send to the bat
tie front in France.
When the war secretary appears
before the house military commit
tee with supplemental estimates for
the army, he is expected to disclose
that the department has reason to
believe it can handle during the
present year at least double the ex-
isting force under arms of approx
mately 100000 men. That would
mean a total of 100000 soldiers
for. whom clothing, equipment and
transportation now are in sight.
Should additional facilities become
available, however, it is indicated
that President Wilson wishes to be
able to call out more men without
delaying to seek authority.
Evidences came today in various
ways of the effort that already is
being made to send American arm
les into the fight in such numbers
and in such time as to make victory
certain. In the morning heads of
the shipping board and the war in
dustries board met with the war
council, composed of army officials.
Details of additional ships and sup
plies were gone into, it is under,
stood.
Later the presidents war cabinet
met with him at the White House
and went over the ground thorough.
ly.
New Ships Wanted.
Secretary Baker appeared today
before the conference of shipping
board officials with ship owners and
seamen's unions to urge prompt
manning of new ships. He told the
conference that the movement OF
troops was going smoothly.
The record of achievement during
the last few weeks is pointed to with
pride by war department officials
Military precautions forbid disclos,
ure of the rate at which the army
is being sent to the front, but Mr.
Baker will be able to give the house
committee tomorrow some interest.
ing figures in this regard.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
MAURY SOCIETY MEETS
Members OF AssociatiOn Gather In JEFF
ferson Hotel to Diacuss
Plans.

The Matthew Fontaine Maury Asso-
ciation Will hold an important meeting
Tuesday morning at 1890 o'clock in
Room $50. jefferson Hotel. The meet
ing will he presided over by Mrs r.. y.
MofIett. president of the association.
and commentaries the entoInbmcnt sot
the remains OF the famous English
geographer in Hollywood. 1t is desired
that all members be present and all
others who feel interested i'll the CT
forts OF the association to keep in per-
prtual remembrance the valuable ser
vice rendered the world and mankind
by Commodore Maury.
The principal feature of the meet
ing Will be short resume of the
status OF the association and a reading
by the honorary president. Miss Maria
Blair, OF AN address made by Naury
TO the literary societies of the Cniver-
sity Of Virginia in the year 1856. The
Matthew Fontaine Maury Association
has for a long time been working to-
ward one cnd--to erect Il monument to
tho "Pathhndcr of tho Seas" and the
r%iEcncicS OF war have in no degree
lcsscned tho interest of the members
in this project.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
UNIQUE DISCIPLINE AT
CAMP OF CZECHO- SLOVAKS
When There is breach of Order All
Mep Meet Together TO Talk
IL over.

W a II ] y G T on. September 2s.-~
The problem OF discipline is an un-
usual one ~ the training camp which
has been established FOR the Czccho-
S!ovaks. near Stamford Conn The
men address each other as brother"
and The battalion is self-rovcrninC
When there is breach OF order. al!
the men meet together 10 ialh ii over.
some trouble occurred in the camp
recently because Slovak miner had
become drunk. The men were called
together after supper and were told
OF the case OF the drunken men who
had got into trouble with OF his
fellows. They all agreed that this was
rejection on all Czccho- Slovaks aud
disgrace 10 their company. Tho
guilty man then came forward and
mad" an explanation to the COMPANY
Ills brother" with whom he had in
adNcrtnntly Guarrcllcd. also came for
ward and made his statement Then
botA OF them shook hands and returned
10 the ranks. Other men spoke in
urn. and gave vigorous Temperance
talks Almost onethird of the Who'll.
company voted 20 swear of drinking
cn,Nc!y, and II was unanimously de-
cidcd mat every mans baggage should
zee searched and # a bottle oc Iiuuor
waS round IL should ne broken
y rev days ago, Professor Masaryit
tain liurhan. OF the Czccho- Sloyak
Army They ate with tn. soldiers nj
ihcir mess. and. before leaving. pro
lessor Masaryk wrote in the visitor's
h"ok: BOYS, w" viii hold out 20 ,bc
end After this. Captain Hu,b,n
wrote; yes and Tho end VIII be rooa
because X viii he ours"
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
FINANCIAL MEN DISCUSS
LIBERTY LOAN CAMPAIGN
sidcrcd Largely DUG to- News
From tho Front.
MANY REACH NEW LEVELS
Lowest Price Levels in Cotton Mar
kct We're Nude n Opening OF
Week, While Closing Session
Brought the Highest.
Try Associated Press.

NEW YORK. September 2o.--Intcr-
national Developments. both political
and military. aud the inauguration OF
the fourth Liberty loan campaign
were the paramount influences In the
stock market last week. The war and
loan situations, foremost IN the dis
cussions in the financial districts, We're
regarded as being solely responsible
for the pcrsistcn, advance OF prices
which had it's inception after last
weeks liquidation.
The rise. only occasionally deferred
by profit taking or by momcntary pc
RODS OF heavincss attributed to ac-
verse incidents Affecting certain shar
81 the more volatile character. car
RED many issues into new high grounu
for the movement. with the upward
tendency benefited by conviction that
the markc; was in a stronger technical
condition than il was week ago
There We're number or TactOrs
conIpara;!vcly subordinate. which con-
trioutcd tc the improved sentiment
The organization OF the essential In
!u3trial Trance corporation furnished
reinsurance to public utilities. rros-
poets OF large new contracts made
equipments attractive to invcstmcnl
buyers. Increased trade prices grant
cd to iron producers benefited the po-
s!'ion of the Steel issues. Railroad
shares responded I" tho governments
plan to take ever short zines with
i'.Surcd increases III rate.
Activity and record prices In foreign
wa- issues rcIcc;"! the progress OF
events IN the baltic front.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
Ut or THE
MARKET GIVES TONE

NEW ORLEANS. september Ga
Lowest price levels in the cotton mar
het last week were made in opening
session while The closing session
brought the highest, AZ their best the
trading months wcr" 263 TO $50 points
over the ".osc OF the previous week.
The clearing up Of the pricc-hNnE sit
uation was the main supporting infiu-
cmcc but considerable huy!nE devc,-
opcnd on the wars and tho untavorabie
weather over the belt. while toward
the close tho demand was further
strengthened by the frmncSs OF in
terror spot markets.
Considerable hedge selling was in
evidence at times, but offerings were
we'll taken care of and on several oc-
ca%.cns II appeared that trade buying
was in larger volume than hedge SELL
ing. First motto" day 20! October
brought out no tcndc,., and, partly be-
cause OF this and tn. strength of the
spot markets in the belt. october he
came the strongest III onth in boards.
This week the market Will be forced
to pay attention 10 the increasing i'm
por,ancc of International politics. and
also 10 the interior spot situation. but
next Wednesday is likely to furnish
incentives for now trading Two re-
ports arc due. the nnal condition re-
port OF the season from the Depart
ment OF Agriculture. and the Inal re-
port on ginning from tho Census
Bureau.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
DEATHS IN VIRGINIA
Claude Melvin brooks.

The body OF Claude 'Melvin Erooks,
son OF the late !. W. Brooks, OF 2S2i
Park Avenue. who died at Fort on
tario. OswcSo. y. y, Will reach THIS
city tonight at ll:26 o'clock. Funeral
arrangements viii be announced later
The young soldier died Saturday
afternoon OF pneumonia produced by
an attack Of influenza. lie left here IN
July with a contingent Of limited SER
vice men, but WAS soon transferred 20
the regular army. lie is survived by
ms mother and six brothers and two
sisters. lie los, ms VIE. who vas
Katherine Gcrwin, ~ this city, sput
three months ago. His father died but
four weeks ago. The surviving broth
crs and sisters are j. w. lr., j. ~.
mOnd, and William Clycc. Norton.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
MINIATURE ALMANAC.

Labor Board. There are ten member,
ri his body. I'VE representing !aho.
and five representing capital. They
hers fail 10 agree. the board sits en-
hinc az Washington 10 pass upon the
question Should the board as Il whole
selected by The President who are IL
pass upon the case. and the decision
@: these urnpires becomes the decision
Of the board.
The third gcncral division of the
present labor organization has to do
with training. welfare and education
questions. The most important branch
OF this service. perhaps, IS the train
Charles r. clayton i. director. II ia
this division which seeks to get the
most efficient service from the ndivi-
dual worker and the individual plant
Associated with this division is the
working conditions service, headed by
Gran; hamilton, which lays down
investigation and inspection service, OF
which Ethclbert Stewart IS director,
which makes the actual inspection or
plants: the women in Industry divI-
which is concerned i'll policies affect
ing iaborinE women, and the bureau OF
Industrial housing and transportation.
This bureau is now spending $4,000
GOO on houses for war workers, and
providing for their comforts.
somewhat Independent OF all other
boards and services, yet associated
with them all. is the information and
education service, OF which Roger Fab
son is the directing head. These
boards, bureaus and services occupy
nearly dozen buildings In Washine-
ton. Most of them have their field
forces AS we'll, which means that tncro
are many hundreds OF labor experts
now engaged In the general proEra m
from the great industrial army OF the
nation. during the period OF the war.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
SOCIALIST vORWAERTs :
DRAWS DARK PICTURE
Paper Thinks Tint Austria-IIungary
and Turkey May Follow Tx
ample OF Bulgaria.
ONLY ONE SALVATION LEFT
Fact That Alleged Article Was AL
lowed to BE Published Regarded
in Amsterdam rs Significant.
German People Deserted.

AMSTERDAM. september 29.--A
dark. almost Respondent picture OF
Gcrmany's position as the result OF
Bulgaria's detection is drawn by .hc
Official organ OF the German Socialist
party. NorwacrtS.
The paper sees To- possibility Of
Austria Hungary and Turkey follow
ing BuiEaria'S example.
In an Immediate creation Of a truly
democratic German government Eor-
wacrts secs tho only salvation of the
cmpir" from utter defeat, invasion aud
destruction.
The fact that tho article was per
mitted TO b" published and that eS-
the German borders is regarded here
follows:
lowing situation as possible: Bulgaria
deserts tho auahruplc alliance and
makes peace with the entente. Aus
tria- liunEary and Turkey join in this
step. We lose our influence in Poland
and the Ukraine. Our southwest arm
reaches no further than Bodcnbacli
Then the German people stand alone
against America France. britain ANA
are lighting with their backs 10 the
wall
before our eyes the picture grows
German soldiers are discouraged. Tho
west front breaks The eneny stream
vcioped in smoke and fame. The &c
treating army and another army. hat
pl IuSNiNtS from the INVADED regions.
roll castwards. The stream ovcriloois
The towns spreads depression. Their"
is no food and no coal Industry is
s,acnant. Hundreds of thousands die
bloody attempts arc made TO crush
revolutionary outbreaks The war il
inside instead OF outside the German
frontiers. Death everywhere
The government no longer has
strength OF resistance. II concedcs all
the enemy demands
Even this hell would have brish.
spots. For much would go 20 tho devil
that VIC Social Democrats have long
wished would go there
"Eut we do not want 20 pay this
price. when our wants can DE satisfied
much more chcaply. >ft
II Is now. not 4 question OF con.
Quests. but Of obtaining peace without
disorder and unbcarahie burdens
The government must do everything
possible to come 10 the conferences
table as speedily as possible with It's
allies But II must be democratic
German government"
Concluding, Forwacrts appeals to the
German rulers TO do their duty and
realize that the people must be self
governing"
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
COCHRAN is AFTER MATCH
WITH VETERAN WILLIE HOPPE
Willing 10 Meet Him on Any Condition,
Even to Giving Proceeds
to Red Crosn

NEW YORK. September 29.-wolker
Cochran has hit upon another plan for
forcing Willie Hoppe into a match for
1872 ba1k line title.
IF Hoppe Is sincere in his announced
intention Of playing billiard matches
for the benefit of the Red Cross and
other war charities" said Cochran to-
day. let him meet mo in n match for
the balk limo championship. with tho
understanding that the entire proceeds
shall BIO turned over to some such fund.
I'm ready to play any time. l won
der IL Hoppe Is? I'm beginning to think
he's afra Id to mcet mo in a match. I'll
play under any conditions he names.
It's up to him"
Followers OF tho game arc hoping
that Hoppe will agree to meet Cochran
before the latter is called to the col.
ors lie is In class Ia, and Is now
waiting his summons to service.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
HAS ACTUALLY DOWNED 81
Eonck. French Air Hero. Says Success
In uun-SwnttinE Loses Him
No S1ccu.

PARIS. September 29.-First Iieu-
tenant Rcnc 'Fonck. of the French air
service. is officially credited with the
destruction of sixty enemy planes. al
though he has actually forced down
gust &, 1916. Fonck used one machine
in shooting down fifty OF the German
airplanes.
Il have had the joy. the murderous
ioy. of having killed s!xty-scvcn crews"
Eonck wrote recently. and ] must
confess that no nightmares disturb my
sleep. The more | Kill Of these assas-
sims the happier | shall be and the
more convinced that have worked
not only for France. but for humanity.
The one thing 10 use with the boche
forrc''
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
TO IMPROVE SUPPLIES
4 mc riran Dnirymen md Gardeners Go
to Europe to Help Hospital
Situation.

NEW YORK. September 29.-That
the milk and fresh vegetable supplies
Of American military hospitals in Eng
land and France may be increased and
improved. the American Red Cross Will
dispatch a detachment of expert Amer-
lean dairymcn and market gardeners TO
Europe, II is announced.
Lieutenant II. i. Frost. Of the Blu
rcau Of Hospital Farms and Gardens,
who has been located for some time at
American Red Cross headquarters In
Paris, is on his way 10 this country TO
take charge of tho mission.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
U-Boat Menace over.

LONDON. September "y.-ACCordInG
TO London paper. truth OF the
prophecy OF Admiral Jellicoc. made last
spring. that the menace of the sub
marine would be ~ end in August is
evidenced hy the revival OF holiday
traffic with the Isle Of Man. Crowded
excursion steamers. il is pointed out
would not be allowed TO navigate the
seventy odd miles Of the Atlantic be-
tween the island and the mainland un-
less the chance OF attack had dwindlcd
almost to nothing.
For the last four years visitors 10
the Isle Of Man have been mainly Ger
man civilian prioncrs for interment.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
CHANNEL TRAIN FERRY
First Passenger Cars Recently Fer
ried Across Betwccn Eng
land and France.

LONDON September 29.-h trair
ferry from England to France Ia
been in operation for some time
Coaches and wagons for use on tho
French railways have been going over
regularly for months. hut recently the
FIRST passenger train WAS tcrricd across
The ferry is II broad boat with rail,
laid OF deck which receive the train
direct at the dock OF departure. The
train is broken into sections and made
fast on the ferry's rails. ON reaching
its destination it is assembled and pro-
Cecds on its tourney
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
Granted 1-Cent Fare.

TRENTON. =. J., September 2o--Thc
State Board OF Public Utility Corr mis- :
ting the Public Service Railway Com
pany 10 increase trolley fares from 3
to cent. with ! cent additional for
transfer. from October 10 10 March
II next and then 10 charge n nat
cash fare OF 6 cents. with penny for
transfer.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
Frank krnmer Lo.c, R.ce.

NEWARK, y. j.. September %
Frank Kramer lost race to-day. Tile
old master WAS beaten by Bob Spears
in the worlds championship cycling
derby at the Nailsburg Ncledromc to-
day. Kramer took the first heat. The
second went to Spears and the third
was Il tic. In the run-on Spears led
kramer to the line by about a length.
Spears invested the prize money, $500.
and 5000 additional in Liberty bonds.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
The Weather
Furnished by O. 8, Weather BureauS
federal Summer Time Csed.)
Foreeast, Virginia
Foreeast, Virginia
Fair Monday and
Tuesday, little change
In temperature.
North Catolin0-
Fair Monday and
Tuesday, little change
In Temperature.
Local Temperatures Yestcrdny

- noon temperature.
! + NJ: temperature. .-..
; +. NJ. temperature.
Maximum temperature to 8 p. NJ.
minimum temperature to s Il. NJ
Mean temperature yesterday
Normal temperature for this date
Excess yesterday
Deficiency since January / ....
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30

NEW LONDON, CONN, September 90.
This city to-day witnessed it's first
game OF Sunday baseball at which an
a. Il nj ission was charged. when the Gas
on Iron Works nine defeated the Lake
Torpedo Boat Company. to O, on
liant field. The proceeds were con
tinued TO the local fund for army and
navy football equipment.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
Mrs. Snrah L.. NiichIe

CTIARLOTTF.SNILL Va, September
29.-Mrs. Sarah T.. Niche. aged sew
entyhve. wife OF the late James Points
Niche, of this county. died last night
at the Martha jefferson Hospital. after
a long illness. The funeral will he held
1T . o'clock Monday afternoon.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
T,inE kno,> WORK Of wo,

LONDON. Scpt"phcr 2n-The trim o,
~" nr.ach "r 20 tho house in which a
Wedding - - occur is adjudgcd war
~ ~. and the PREACHER wi! lie pc-.
l"ti"d 10 nav" gasoline for his auto
mobile on such trips
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30
Local Rainfall.

Rainfall last twelve hours. Nome
Rainfall last twcnty-four hours. None
Excess since March l...... 1.O2
Excess since January l. lis
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30

NEW YORK. September 29.-Mmc
Kenny Lipz!n. widely known as the
Sarah I;cruhardt q: the Yiddish stage,
died Yesterday at her home here. aged
sixty three
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30

Take look ut tho attic and then
phone Randolph to adSrr;ise the I'M
used hut useful things you find there.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30

Temperature. -; humidity. 40: wind,
direction. south: wind, velocity, l mile !;
weather, clear.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1918-09-30

MIKE il "a daily habit 10 rr,d the
Want Ads In 'Thr Times ntcI
They nrr u complete cutnioguc Of NIL
INC good offerings In Richm0nd.
The Marietta journal and courier., 1918-04-05
MOONLIGHT PICNIC.

One of the largest and most en-
joyable events of last week, was the
moonlight picnic given by the Of
ficers of the 321st Field Artillery, on
Thursday evening. The chaperones
were Mrs. Joe Brown and Mrs. Hol-
land.
Mr.. Clarence Motley, nephew of
Mr.. j. E. Motley, spent few hours
in Marietta Sunday, the guest of
Col. Motley. He was en- route to
Key West where he takes place as
Chief Boatswain in U. S. N. on one
of the Dutch Merchants ships recent
ly taken over by U. S. Government.
For the past two years Mr.. Motley
has been recruiting officer for U. s..
N. located in Wisconsin, Michigan,
and Illinois. Mr. Motley left Mari
eta when only 16 years of age and
has been in U. S. N. ever since.