New-York tribune., 1918-05-16
DR.. Muck Linked
In German Plot
For Revolt Here
Interned Orchestra Leader
May Be Returned as
a Witness

reference to a man named Muck
was brought out in the second day of
Attorney General Merton Z. Lewis's
search for the million rifles, billion
cartridges and thousands of machine
guns which the Kaiser is supposed to
have had secreted in this country for
use when he was ready to begin kul-
turizing the United States. In Boston
last night Federal officers asserted
that this man Muck was DR.. Kari
Muck. deposcd leader of the Boston
Symphony Orchestra and now interned
in Georgia.
1t is probable that DR.. Muck will be
asked to tell whether he knows any.
thing Of the Kaiser's reported mum.
tion store. Possibly DR.. Muck will be
brought back to New York to testify.
Yesterday a witness related that a
Herr Won Gersdorf" had told him that
If the Germans invaded America the
German American rife clubs would
join their invading brethren, as would
members of the |. w. w. and some So
ciaiists.
/ This witness, Ivan Narodny, vice
president Of the Russian American
Asiatic Corporation, at 81 Broadway
testified that Captain Hans Won Tau.
scher offered large quantity of arms
and ammunition for sale in the fall OF
1914. Mr.. Narodny said that he first
met the captain and his wife, Nine
Gadski, at dinner. The witness mar
rated that the captain took him to q
large warehouse in New Jersey and
showed high stacks of rifle cases, one
of which on being opsned was found to
contain five new rifles Mr.. Narodny
said the man Muck accompanied him
hn &oi~ %,.
Mr.. Narodry told of meeting with
Gustave Luessing, the Orange County
farmer who figured prominently in
Tuesdays testimony as one of the prin-
clpal sales agents of a mysterious vast
store of rifles and cartridges. Luessing
is naturalized American who came
from Germany thirty-seven years ago.
Last summer a woman 'phoned him
to have implicit faith in Luessing, Mr..
Narodny said. He believed this woman
was the Countess Sivers. There was
considerable talk between him and
Luessing, but nothing resulted
The topic of rifles, ETC., seemed to
cause Luessing vcxation yesterday
when it came his turn to take the
stand Assistant Attorney General
Becker was the questioner.
Luessing declared he had never seen
the 100000 rifles referred to by wit
nesses on Tuesday
"They were conundrum to me when
I heard them mentioned" he asserted
~ never knew where any rifles actually
were. had an inkling that they were
around Philadelphia somewhere"
He contradicted much of the testi-
mony of Tuesdays witnesses and dc
MED that nc had told any one he had
seen the rifles, that he knew where
they were or that he was the authorized
agent of the owners. Luessng said
he personally had seen only one rife
He named Herman Richards as the only
principal he knew.
"How long since you have seen Rich
ards?" asked Mr.. Becker.
about five weeks before the grand
jury began its investigation OF the
story about the guns" replied Lues-
sing 81 begged them (his friends) TO
leave me out Of it."
But you've been about trying to sell
these rifles very recently ?" asked
Becker.
"No, haven't the Lord deliver me
from my friends," said Luessing.
Mr.. Becker adjourned the hearing for
week, saying to Luessing: "WeIl
need several hours for YOU"