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Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03
Wilson Beat Me-" Says Folk
washington Letter to the Philadel-
phia Public LEDGER

pnla GuDilC LeuBeTI
Joseph W. Folk, former Governor
of Missouri and former counsel for
the Interstate Commerce Commits
sion, is the first of the defeated Will
son candidates for the United States
senate to come to Washington.
He entered the lobby of the Capitol
(Senate wing)i and Immediately was
surrounded by friends who endeav-
ored TO soften the sting of his defeat
at the hands of Selden P. Spencer.
Republican, who has taken the place
of the late "Gumshoe Bill' Stone in
the upper house of Congress.
He was frank in his explanation
of the result of the Missouri cleo
ton.
president Wilson beat me-" said
Folk. THE Republicans were going
to let the election go by default until
the President issued his appeal. Then
they got busy and turned out every
vote they could get
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03

From many sources has come COM
mendation OF the War Weekly" Of
the Telegraph. which has furnished
the soldier boys from Central Penn
sylvanla a digest every week OF the
important happenings OF their home
towns. Now that hostllItles have
ceased this summary of the week. S
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03
Ell. STACKPOLE

Member of the Associated Press-The
Associated Press is exclusively en-
titled to the use for republication or
all news dispatches credited TO II or
not otherwise credited in this paper
and also the local news published
herein.
All rights OF republication OF special
ctspatches herein are also reserved.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03

To lore playthiHgs trelI as child,
to lead an adventurous and honor
able youth. aud to settle tchen the
time into q green aud smiling age.
is TO be good artist in life and de-
serre tceH of yourself aud your neigh
bOr.-S'eueHS0n.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03

The Kaiser. true TO his yellow
streak, is now trying to shift the
responsibility for starting the war
upon some OF his underlings. The
more we learn of this pompous auto
crat the stronger is the demand that
he be punished so long as life re-
mains in his degenerate body.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03

Every step should be taken by the
state and municipal authorities and
BY all other communities in pushing
forward with increasing energy the
various projects which were neces-
sarily suspended during the war
period. Every enterprise that can be
safety launched ought to be pushed
in order to furnish employment for
the thousands Of men who will be
demobilized in the various camps
during the next month or two.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03
judgments Against Wicked

And ! will utter my judgments
against them touching all their wick
edness, who have forsaken me, aud
have burned incense unto other
gods. and worshipped the works of
their own hands.-Jeremiah i, 16.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03

'T frankly turn to you for counsel.
said the. President. addressing Con-
gress. May not hope that In the
delicate task have to perform l may
have the added strength OF your
united support" And turning on his
heel he left the room.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03
DO YOU KNOW

That there arc more govern
ment bonds owned per capita
I'm Harrisburg now than in tho
Civil WARP
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03

Former Governor William A. Stone
believes the present State constitu-
tlon is a thing Of shreds and patches
and favors a convention to construct
a new one. We strongly agree with
him in the proposition that there
should be an enlargement of munich
pal powers. Precisely, Governor,
and a larger measure of home rule.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03

In the appointments thus far an
nounced the Goyernor-eleet has
shown excellent judgment and dis
elimination. For some time II has
been generally understood that W.
I. Schaffer. of Delaware county, a
lawyer OF ability and high standing,
would be the new Attorney General.
and with the official confirmation OF
his selection there has come public
approval. There is also general sat
isfaction expressed over the choice
OF Cyrus z. Woods, who will con-
tinue as Secretary of the Common
wealth and Harry S. McDevitt as
private secretary. Both are familiar
with the State and the important
details which are so essential TO the
successful conduct of any adminis-
tration. It's a fine start.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03

Published evenings except Sunday by
THE TELNGRAPH PRINTING co.
Telegraph Building, Federal Square
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03

Officers of the Switchmen's Union
of North America report that locals
have been formed in Nashville, Bos-
ton. Gary Ind. and South st. Paul.
Mime sofa.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03
ALL FOR THE BEST

A LII things come to him who
u waits. Here we had been
- wondering why eX-Presidents
are permitted to fall into the dis
card as soon as their terms expire.
We had thought they ought to be
retained in an advisory capacity, at
least. But recently We have begun
to understand. Considering the
subject with relation to March 1,
1920, we are willing to admit that
perhaps after all the trainers Of the
constitution knew a thing or two.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03

Through sickness there were 49,
500 600 days lost last year in Penn
svlvania BY men and women Indus
trial workers. Among shipbuilders
alone. 500. 900 days were dropped.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03

Higher rates under the Michigan
State compensation law are prob
able as a result OF public hearings
held by a commission appointed by
the Governor.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03
LABOR NOTES

of 2I5.222 organized workers in
Hungary; 4S,S11 are women.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03

Prominent members OF the Trades
and Labor Council and the Board of
Trade in Vancouver. b. c.. have
formed a committee as court Of
anpeai and conciliation board to
avert strikes. IL possible.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03
HISTORIC HARRISBURG

John Harris' stockaded ware
house was the first place to be pre-
pared for defense on the Susque-
hanna and he garrisened 1t with
his own nS
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03

Halifax Nova Scotia trade union
lists have given notice that they will
oppose the importation of Chinese
labor into the Cape Breton mines.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03

One hundred and forty-ono persons
In the Government lighthouse service
recent pension legislation passed b.
Congress.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03

A Senate committee has reported
favorably the minimum wage bill
which would create commissions TO
set wages for women and minors en-
ployed in the District OF Columbia.
Harrisburg telegraph. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1879-1948, 1918-12-03
TUESDAY. DECEMBER 5, 1918
PRESIDENTS ADDRESS

MEMBERS of the House and
N Senate applauded certain parts
- prasi5ar- Wilson'S annual
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1918-04-04
ARTISTS VIE in QUEER CONTEST
FOR BEST ANTLSNEEZE POSTER
Pictures of Nasal Explosions Are Being Drawn for
tuberculosis Prevention Campaign by Philadel-
phia Normal School Art Students

which shows greatest worth in campaign
propaganda. The prizc-winning draw
ings then win be placed on exhibition
and n number Of Philadelphia artists Sc
lected TO decide which Is the best OF
these. The poster work will he done
under the supervision Of william A.
Martin, head of the art department OF
public schools.
Beginning neNt week a course OF Ice
lures on how, when and where to snee2e
and how. when and where not 20 sueeze
will be delivered several times weekly
to pupils in Philadelphia schools. Re
garding this work, Dr. Bernard Kohn.
chairman Of the division of school mcdi-
cal inspection. said today: "SneeSing es-
tablishes n medium for germ distribu-
ton surpassed by fcw other carriers
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1918-04-04


and anguish, has Just been related BY
hra,ynv albeit tender-hearted New yea
-, -. - s.u.,.. ,..oto.,t,, tor
'""'0' ""'
close on tour long homesicN years
1T happened in France" he said
ouietiv and with n misty CLEAN in his
-. GO, ,t,,. ,,.r,-o .rod ,,,d coorgo
esSS' 49, 49,, ,a GO tn,. o,',ot bottio 81
,Lo,,,,,,nc Madame ,,ado s,,cb splandid
,,, ,I, ,,a,,,,, ,.,,d
o",',s ",.S d. ,,o ,irts" tbora ',yorc s,o ~
-, ,,,o,, ,,oro 60 br,ch, ana rhattv
,rho,. ,,,oro s,,cb conab,o girls loo SOME
,,,a,io iaco some r,ado coffee ana soma
r,auH .,,''Sa 49, 49,, '''''' ''''''
And always thev worc So genuinely
,t,d ,o soo ne Noy, zo.i,,dars
..rho ,'a,,,,os, 90 agod ,,,ri,,, bon.
80. mia ,,itS ,rroa, ,,,,o c,.c,, and tawny
bair
"r calIod bor .RuItv.bcsr, hoca,tse she
was ca nlunr Sbo vas doligbtcd and
pronounced It 'Bulla-Bin And we all
laughed heartily
Then came the order TO move up: We
had two days on Tho Ridge You've
read OF the awtul ,Ndge' OF course
'Ted-poor old Ted The New
Healander's voice shook little. Ted
got bit OF sharpnel IN the tcmple-ie
died
George, when he came out OF the
sap, wohbled up t. me all white: eyes
deep-sunkou, lips trembling George
wasn't built for this Kind of business
he's too finely naturod. We shook hands,
and George leaned on my shoulder and
suddenly cried like a kid You see. we'd
been rather good pals Ted and George
and l.
Il sworc hard at George and called
him all kinds Of fool II was tho
only thing TO do, Then led him to the
doctor, who felt his pulse and nodded
and said
Gas and shock-send his Kit down
[ was glad old George was being sent
out.
we went down 70 tho village. and !
saw Bulla-Bin While 7 slipped my
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1918-04-04
PHILADELPHIA MUSIC CLUB
Agnes Clune Quinlan Soloist at Spe-
cial Evening Concert

The Philadelphia Music Club gave a
special program, marked by attention to
Philadelphia artists and composers. last
night i'm the handsome music room Of
the Art Alliance The Philadelphia Mu-
sic club has given a number Of after
noon programs fortuightly during the
season, but this evening program was
more extensive and elaborate.
The featured so,oist was Agnes Clune
Quinlan. the sterling local piauist-Com-
poser. and she had as associates such
talented artists as Adalina Patti Noar.
soprano Winnifrcd Gross, Contralto. and
Efie Leland COLI. Nolinist
number Of the interesting compost.
tions which are winning reputation for
Miss Quinlan were on the program. and
other Philadelphia composers repre-
Goepp and Nicholas Douty Mrs. H. u.
A Beach and Charles Wakefield Cad
man We're the other contributors to tho
program
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1918-04-04
THE WORLDS WAR
Through Woman's Eyes
BY ELLEN ADAIR
"The Land of the Long White Cloud"
The Beautiful NeIU ZeaIunder
BY ELLEN ADAIF

Maori Chief. He VERY kind to tie
Manuhri, to visitor. He give t'c Maori
soldier te rcd wine EVERY day for tie
ration.
Tat wine make me very glad. an
! sing tc 'MarseiIlaisc' so loud, also tc
Maori song. TIE tea in tie British Army
very good but it can't make tie soldier
glad like te red wine re soldier can't
sing tie Maori song and t'e French song
after tie pannilin of tea"
His first experiences under high-eX-
plosive had been nerve-raclSinE.
"T'e first shell say 'pooree BlFt' " he
remarked reminiscently. AN | make
my nose bleed on t'c duckwalll at tie bot
tom of te trench! But tat shell never
bang till he go five mile behind All
my mate laugh an look like tc fool.
so ! get very wild, an I jump up an
say: Fritz, you re damn liar"
According to every soldier on the
western front, the New Zealandera have
extraordinary powers of sticking It."
They come of a hardy. bushranging,
farming stock. Although there are many
Maoris among their number the major
ity Of the New Zealand army is, OF
course. white.
They have been trained long years be-
fore the war I'm boXiig. in every kind of
physical contest | don't think | have
elsewhere seen so many crooked noses
that mark Of pugilistc tendencies AS
in the New Zealand Army, unless it be
among the Australians
Bravest Are the Tenderest
\ true little story Of the war, which
seems to me symboliCal Of Frances grief
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1918-04-04

shellhole on the battleheld7 II is
New Zeslander who tells us Of IL:
How cold and dark II is, And what thirst
Chcero, old pail She's standing close 70
me.
one boche who shot the captain. I shot bin.
I choked another man who spranE at me-
And then there came a blsnkl My gear Is
gone
I've lost my water bottle and my kit
I'm left-alone! I'm weak from loss ot
blood
But, thank God, anyway I've done my bit,
Tho helish roar OF guns comes through the
mist:
Tho fields arc blasted TO- a desert here
And honcycombcd with pools a. bloody rain (,
Yvt I don't feel afrald--not while she's
near.
q christ Have mercy ] aln't been 80
bad
I'm going numb' I'm slipping IN the hole
Seems like tho dead are all about me here.
I'm coming, coming lord receive my
soul
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1918-04-04
LUCY GATES FILLS
GALLT-CURCPS ROLE
American Coloratura Singer
Pleases Audience at DAM
rosch Concert
ECHO OF MIX-UP HEARD

while representatives Of Walter
~, ,,rosch and Nine Galli-Curci paced
,he Academy OF Music lobby Yesterday
astornoon and discussed, but failed to
..rea upon. the causes OF the sensa-
tionai prima donm's nonappcarance
hsre Iu,y Gates, an American colora-
,ura singer. was eliciting cordial plaudits
..,,bin the auditorium. The substitution
seemed entirely agreeable to the audi
,ors present 4 number of vacant seats
bovever. testified to tho return Of tickets
boueht i'm expectation of the much-eX-
nloited diva's philadelphia debut. The
New York symphony orchestra. under
AZ Damrosch. submitted an attractive
nroeram, strengthened by welcome Wag-
perian excerpts, but naturally the
glannor of long-anticipatcd event was
NOT manifested.
echoes of the whole regrettable affair
are likely TO be heard for some time
before the Galli-Curci furore reached its
beIsht-indecd as far back az March
% 1q17-the New York symphony con-
tracted for the Italian artists appear
ance here ON one side the assertion II
made that since her New York triumph
Nine. Galli-Curc Is enabled to exact a
far larger fee than that stipulated i'm
her original agreement with the DAM
rosch forces. The opposing contention Is
10 ,he effect that the singer is really
suffering from an liberated tooth and
that her concert in Chicago last Sun
dsv. subsequent TO the cancellation Of
the Philadelphia date, was given under
painful difficulties,
In any event, Lucy Gatess position i'm
substituting I'm such a situation was not
enviable. She was palpably nervous I'm
her opening number. the florid Bell
Song" from Lakme," and her tones. al
though powerful lacked sweetness aud
luster. She introduced the selection
with long. unacCompanied cadenza.
whose exactions would have been trying
10 any artist Decidedly more effective
was her closing contribution, the
aria Una Noce POGO Fa," from "The
Barber Of Seville" In this sprightly work
Miss Gates revealed an authoritative
technique and a voice of purity, fresh
ness and charm.
Mr.. Damrosch prefaced his admirable
reading of Brahms's poetic second SYM
phony with the announcement that he
had recently been injured by an automo-
bile and might be constrained to lead
mart of the program from "A chair. He
smllingly added that an liberated
tooth" had nothing to do with the case,
A sitting posture was later assumed by
the director in his magnificent inter-
pretations of the Wagnerian offerings
These included the prelude to the third
act of "Lohengrin." the Good Friday
Spell" from "Parsifal"; the Forest
Murmurs." from "Siegfried,' and the
"Dance Of the Apprentices" from "Die
Meistersinger" ". T. 9.
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1918-04-04
MILK FAMINE NOT
AN EARLY PROSPECT
Producers Meeting in Chicago Say
Canned Reserve Supply Will
Avert Future Shortage

Chicago. April 4.-No danger of
llbk famine in the United States for
several years at least was seen by
producers from several States who met
chicago TO organize the Mid
seA Milk Manufacturers Association
ihe purpose OF the organization is CO.
operation in legislation affecting the
n'uA industry and to aid the Govern
nent IN the war. 4 committee was
named me, TO arrange for future meeting.
- war measures have limited our
Snlpplns space to small minimum,
WIN the result that manufactured milk
= stored away In enormous quantities."
s ssa j. II. Harris, OF Elkhorn, Wis,
daaeulnan of the meeting. There Is no
spset OF milk famine this year nor
lin many years to come, for there are
,Trhh,ilons OF cases of milk now in storage
thuere VIII be no advance in prices, as
,hs government fixes such rates. but
s ae canned milk will be sufficient IL the
natural milk gives out"
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1918-04-04
MUSIC TEACHER HEARS
HUNTER WELSH PLAY
Schumann Subject of Lecture Recital
Before Philadelphia Asso-
citation

Members of the Philadelphia Music
Teachers Association had an evening Of
unalloyed entertainment and edi1cation
at the monthly meeting last evening in
the Presser Auditorium, when Hunter
Welsh, the distinguished Philadelphia
pianist, gave a lecture recital on The
Interpretation of the Pianoforte Works
of Robert SChumann."
Mr.. Welsh whose return to the home
concert platform has been one Of the
pleasing features of the present season,
is a master at the lecture recital. which
analyzes in words and illustrates at the
piano. His Beethoven" and Chopin
heard earlier in the season. showed the
large calber of his talent in this di-
recton, and the "Schumann" proved a
worthy addition II the list.
Briefly he sketChed the biographical
details Of the composers life with espe-
cial stress on those that had influence
In developing his genius. The critical
value Of the spoken text, however, lay
In the analysis of SChumanus style and
genius with panoforte illustration by
way Of indicating slgniRcances and in
terpry tationS of well-knOWn compost
tions. These Mr.. Welsh performed with
his, efficient technique and musicianly
feeling for inner meanings. MI Welsh's
chief text for interprctative explanation
was Schumann's "CarnevaL"
Mr.; Welsh is. pupil Of Lauer and
flschkot. Previously 10 MS European
career he was a student at the CniVer-
sty Of Pennsylvania, where he was
! graduated with literary honorS and
where he specialized in philology. lie
has won marked success since his Amer
ican career began and has been soloist
( with the Philadelphia, Philharmonic and
New York symphony Orchestras.
Mrs. Eli Meyer, violinst, was also a
soloist for the teachers meeting. she
is remembered as Miss Jessie Strauss
and has been on tour with Sousa's Band
and Nine Emma CalVe. She is an
artistic yiolnist, well grounded i'm the
specialized technique of superior quality
now required of violnists and with a
talent for bringing out the meanings Of
the works she is performing Mrs
Meyer played Bach's "Aretta," a Handel
Bouree the BeethOven-K -Kreisler Ron
dino Cecil Burleighs From a Wig
VAN and Coeridge Taylor's Eastern
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1918-04-04
WAR SISTERS WILL AID
U. S. SAILORS MORALE


national movement to provide
amusement for men in the navy to sus-
@m thelr morale will be launched this
eihoon AT the home OF Mrs. T.. r.
sso.esoury national chairman Of navy
feerations
!. ne new committee intends to enlist
~ aid Of every state, city. church, so
stE club. All that is required is the
f.Vlllse TO provide certain group OF
ssuofs and marines with entertainment,
.h can be done by donations Of talk
~, machines, Smokes" books and mo-
Nv pictures. The chief aim of the
esSnal committee is TO get the per
toueh' into the articles donated.
". " 9eaer TO accomplish this. a certain
no,' boat. company OF marines or a
~ oase will be allotted to the per-
a ,ne VINO have signihed their intentions
eecoming war brothers" war sis-
or war mothers" The movement
We sanction OF seeretarr Daniels
hel Cross Mrs David Lewis
'''p opnolnted orsanikinr Secretary.
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1918-04-04

NCTOp, look and watch your sneez-
~ ing"
What Is probably the queerest contest
ever held in Philadelphia was started
today among the art students at the
Philadelphia Normal School Thirteenth
and Spring Garden streets. who will en-
deavor TO depict suitable posters 10 be
used by tho Philadelphia committee Of
the Pennsylvania Society for the Pro-
vention Of Tuberculosis In its campaign
to teach school children the proper way
to snee2c. Several other art schools are
arranging to enter this odd contest.
catch your snecze' is the theme on
which the art students will elaborate.
Merltorious mention will be made in each
school of the creator Of that poster
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1918-04-04
WARNS AGAINST COAL WASTE

Washington. April 4 -- EXtraVagant
use Of anthracite coal for industrial pur.
poses now will cause shortage Of heat
Garfield warned today. Consumers are
warned not to substitute anthracite for
bitumnous uses, and dealers are in
struCted not to supply domestic sizes Of
anthracite coal for this purpose
u. T. Hurd was named district repre-
sentative Of tho fuel administration at
Cleveland, O., TODAY
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1918-04-04

Chambersburg, Pa. April 4.--'The es-
tate of the late John H. Shook, once
cashier of the GreenCastle National
Bank and later president, which is now
released for the Home for the Aged by
the death Of his wife. is estimated at
S15O,OOO The plan is 80 build a new
and modern homo beside the present
Childrcn's Home on Federal Hin. a
beautiful ste near Lincoln way West
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1918-04-04

THUS did bravo New Zcalandcr un-
i burden himself the other day. on
his shoulder - wore the mystic badge
Of his regin . N. H. r." And those
three letters have earned undying fame
on every battlefield of Europe-'New
Zealand Rifles
Then hats off to the infantry in this
great war
II seems to me the infantry. as a
whole, gets little praise. Apparently
there is nothing thrilingly spectacular
about its doings Yet most assuredly
the hard work falls to its special lot.
For
When it comes to rootIu' out the cunuin'
! The infantry must do It with the bayuit
and the gun!
| wonder II American readers know
the full measure Of glory which New
Zealand-"The Land of the Long White
Cloud has reaped for herself in this
world war.
was walking down the Strand with
an American who had just arrived in
| London. A band of tall, bronzed, uni
formed young men went by, slouch-
hated like the American. but with a
! line Of red in their khaki puggreo.
They were all wounded, limping, young
/ and smiling
who are thcy?' asked the American
| curiously They've certainly been put
/ ting up some fight with Fritz. go
New Zealand infantrymen' I said
THE heroes of Cambra and Of Npres :"
might have added equally truth
! fully: THE heroes Of Gallipoli and OF
the Somme. Of Belgium. Egypt and a
/ hundred other places"
! For New Zealand-"Aotea-R -Roa the
| Land of the Long White Cloud--has GER
! tainly done her bit
and who are these dark-sknned
| foregn-loollng fellows?" said the Amer
| lean again. az more men of the New
| Zealand army passed us.
Natives Of that island" | said. The
highest type Of Colored men-the Ma
oris."
/ Have you ever heard Maori--a real
| aCkwoodsman--talk?