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giving the German people their choice,
and believe II will produce a political
crisis in Germany Immediately.
II think the note will meet the APP
prevail OF the American people and
think Il will receive the approving sup
port OF the Allies. I doubt that there
will be an armistice for some time be-
cause II 10 almost certain that a crisis
will follow in German internal affairs,
during which time nobody will have
the power to make final arrangements
Lodge Takes Issue.
Senator Lodge (Mass.). Republican
The President says in his last sentence
that II we must deal with the military
masters and autocrats OF Germany We
must demand mot peace negotiations
but surrender" With this I am in full
accord, as I was with the Presidents
statement Of September 81. In the first
paragraph the President says that as
the present German Government, which,
as all the world knows, is controlled by
the Kaiser and the military party, rep
resents through Its Ministers "the major
ity OF the Reichstag and an overwhelm-
ing majority of the German people"
he feels that he cannot decline to take
up with the allied Governments the
question Of an armlstice.. With this
am not in accord, for the German Gov
eminent described in the first paragra pm
and that described in the last sentence
are one and the same.
My own view Is a very simple one.
There Is no German Government in eX-
istence with which l would discuss any
thing. I deplore at this stage, when we
are advancing steadily to complete
victory. any discussion or exchange OF
notes with the German Government.
The only thing now Is to demand I'M
conditional surrender. would leave
that to Marshal Foch and the Generals
OF the armies. When they report that
the German army has surrendered and
ceased to exist az an army in beins
then and not until then let the Allies and
the United States meet and agree on
what terms they will Impose ON Ger
many to insure the safety Of civilization
and mankind.
Senator Brandeeee tConn). Republi-
can: II had hoped that the President
would decline to submit the German
note or proposals for an armistice 20
the Allies, as do not think that the
American people want any armistice
whatever. II Germany wants to sub
init the question II should be sub.
mitted to the Allies. I had hoped that
the discussion would be terminated here
and now" The note will probably pro-
duce a reply from Germany, thereby
protracting the debate"
Senator New (Ind.). Republican,
would prefer to read the entire note and
study II carefully before making any
extended comment on II. Tho statement
that II 1t Is necessary for the American
Government to deal with the military
masters OF Germany now or at any time.
this must lead to a demand for sur
render rather than for peace negotia-
lions, has the right sound though.
Senator Poindexter twash.), Repub-
lican--The only thing that is OF vital i'm
portance at this stage is FOR the Ger
man military power to be overcome. The
way this can be brought about Is by
surrender on the field or by overwhelm-
ing military defeat. No mention Of any
such thing 10 made in the German note
nor required by the Presidents terms.
Pomerene Calls Note Fine.
Senator Pomerene (Ohio), Democrat,
member OF the Foreign Relations Com
mittee-The note Is fine. 1t tells the
German people very plainly that we can
not trust those officials with whom we
are corresponding now. II that is the
truth nothing would be gained by an
armistice agreed upon with the present
German authorities. That In the truth
I am glad the President has so said
Senator McCumber IN D), Repub-
lican. member Of the Foreign Relations
mil 10
Judgment on the Presidents reply now,
but do not like the idea OF having any
negotiations with the Imperial German
Government. 1t seems TO me that the
reply calls for an armistice, but II an
armistice should be arranged without
having the German armies uncondi-
tionally surrender We would be no nearer
peace than we are now"
Senator Thomos tCol). Democrat,
member of Foreign Relations Commit
tee: IT think that the answer Is the
war will go on until the K1iser abdi-
Gates or is dethroned. The Presidents
note makes that clear. 1t is plain that
the President will have no dealings with
the Kaiser"
Senator Ashurst (Ariz). Democrat,
said that II he were President he would
have told German to go to hell"
w Ni"C hoF bSinys.
Senator Curtis (Kan.), Republican :
III the President feels the present power
In Germany is not in earnest and cannot
be trusted, l am sorry he does not turn
1t down fiat and advise them that moth
ing short Of an unconditional surrender
would be considered. hope our allies
will refuse an armistice unless they are
assured that an unconditional surrender
xpfn TpGYIt frnr1 l.
no time to permit delays by exchanging
notes Time Is vital and the allies
should take advantage OF every oppor-
tunity and force an unconditional sur
render"
Senator Watson Gnd.). Republican,
The President virtually grants the
armlstice asked by Germany In that ne
accepts their terms and refers the Whole
question to the Governments of the
Allies with the request that they in
turn refer II to their military COM
manders, and he bases his faith in
their solemn and explicit assurance"
that Germany has unreservedly accepted
his terms OF peace, and that he believes
them to be sincere In such acceptance.
But as l see It the last part of the
note contradicts the first part, for he
explicitly states that the German peo-
pie have not done the things they so
solemnly assured him they have done,
that the power OF the King of Prussia
TO control the policy of the empire Is
still unimpaired," and the former mas
tiers OF Germany are still her masters.
Based on False Conditions.
And yet while basing his action
upon their having overthrown the power
OF the Hohenzollerns autocracy he turns
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