New-York tribune., 1918-12-21
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statement eNplalnlng the mistake IN
regard to Boy-Ed and Won Papen.
And that following this interview
"Thc American" published an ac-
count of it, which was described as
"a pack OF lies
Before Senator Reed began his cross
examination much further light on the
German propaganda had been shed by
Mr.. Becker. First of all, Chairman
Overman read into the record parts of
the affidavit held up for editing ycster
day
In spite Of an objection from Senator
Reed Senator Overman. reading from
the deposition of an unnamed person
regarding conversation with Won
Bernstorf in the Adrondacks in 1914,
and interjecting remarks here and
there, put in the following:
"Q.-What did he say about Hearst ?"
"A.--I am leading up to that. Then
he goes OH to say, Il rcmarked--and
all that is excluded. Then he said that
Bernstortf said, 4 have got to have
somebody to put our news in the way
we want - That goes in"
"Q-Had syou mentioned The Amer
lean or 'Th Journa'?"
Al mentioned the Hearst papers
particularly, and he said that he had
had his eye on Hearst as an available
man and came with the distinct i'm
preston tha he expected to see Hearst
and when i saw that Hearst was pub
hshlng German paper | mentioned it
later to the count and said, I guess you
got to those fellows.% and he said, We'll,
IT'S working all right. isn't to-"
@ When was this subsequent con-
versation?"
"A.-Oh, that was about year later
(Making it the winter of 1860
"You might as well let it all go in if
You are going to put that in objected
Senator Reed.
This is Bernstorff's S statement,' said
the chairman.
81 don't care if it isl said Mr. Reed.
Kahn and Warburg Praised
Mr.. Becker, resuming his testimony
about the financial arrangements of
the propagandists. explained that the
plan to have Kuhn, Loeb & Co.
handle the German funds failed be-
cause of the conditions imposed by the
bankers, and on account of what he
agreed with Mr.. Reed to call their
'"banker's neutrality."
In the testimony tribute was paid
to Otto H. Kahn. Another. in which
several Senators Joined, was paid to
Paul M. Warburg, of the family of
Hamburg bankers, who We're also con-
cerned in handling the German funds
for America. 1t was agreed that at no
time had there been any shadow on
his loyalty and Americanism.
Reed and Overman Clash
The clashes between Senator Reed
and Mr. Becker were frequent through
out the day. Once, when Senator Oyer
man interfered, Mr.. Reed turned on
him. He had been repeating his ques-
tion implying improper political activ-
ity.
"No; that is not true at ALL" said
Mr.. Becker "That is not fair state
ment of the situation"
"I'm going to prove that it is true
and Pm going to make you admit it is
true" responded Reed.
ooh, prove it, Senator Reed, if you
can, and don't argue with the witness,
IN teri jected Overman.
"Oh, | know how to run this thing
Salu MI. Neeu. just De patlent WIN
me-"
Several clashes occurred during the
earlier part of the day, the antagonisn
between the two men flashing out at
intervals when Senator Reed injected
7 some questions. Some question Of &C
tivity by an American bank was up
Reed brought out that this was before
we entered the war-during the periot
when the President had requested neu
trality.
"You do not accuse the President O.
being dlsloyal, do you?' he asked.
ooh, no."
He may not have been as farsighte,
as you, but that was his request" per
sisted the Senator.
81 will tell you great secret" sal
Becker. II voted for him once"
At another time, when Mr. Becke
was reading from "The New Yor
Call" laudatory account of william
Bayard Hale, mentioning his connec
tion with the President some year
ago, Senator Reed again broke in.
81 would like to inquire here" h
demanded whether it is the purpos
now to reflect upon the President o
the United States by bringing tn
him afterward joined the Socialis
party, and to do that under the pre-
text that that is proving German prop
aganda ?"
Mr.. Becker-Absolutely not.
Senator Reed-That is absolutel
and solely the only purpose whic
could result from the testimony given
and as a member of the Senate an
not of this committee, and beggin
the indulgence Of the committee,
protest against that course of conduct
Mr.. Becker-If the Senator had bee
present and had followed the cours
of the hearings here, he would kno,
that on the date when William Bayar
Hale appeared as member of tn
Socialist party and the champion O
Morris Hillquit, it appears by the ties
timony which has been offered her
by Mr.. Bielaski that his contract wit
the German government had not ru
out.
Senator Reed-That does not max
any difference That does not for,
any excuse for dragging the President
name in here.
Mr.. Becker-Nothing that Hale coul
say could damage the Presidents rep,
tation a particle.
Senator Overman--~I do not see no
it could damage the President. 1t is
we'll known fact that the President en-
ployed this man, but he did not kno
that he was a German agent.
Senator Reed-Nothing that Ha
would say could damage the Presiden
and it might be also true that nothin
you could say would damage the Pres
dent.
Mr.. Becker would never make II
attempt. The committee decided tn;
the matter was permane and NOT dan