The Ward County independent. [volume] (Minot, Ward County, N.D.) 1902-1965, 1918-05-30

you are quoted as saying:
wealth; I am afraid it would dampsH
their ,ardor for war a little bit. an
afraid there might not be much Of =
war.
Mr.. Townley:-I may have said
part of that.
Senator Reed Which part?
Mr.. Townley:-That it would damp
en- the ardor of the corporations for
war.
Senator Reed:-That would not
mean anything unless you said the
rest Of it. Did you say it would
dampen the ardor of the corporations
for war If they were not allowed to
make money?
Mr.. Townley:-That is what l have
said at different times, that if some
of the big corporations were not al
lowed to make big profits they might
use their influence against war.
Senator Reed:--You said in that
case they had used their influence for
the war?
Mr.. Townley:-Yes, sir.
Senator Reed:-You said they used
it for the war to make profits?
Mr.. Townley:-I still say that.
Senator Reed:-In other words, you
talked to people who listened to you,
and said that this war had been caus-
ed by big corporations who wanted to
make big profits
Mr. Townley:-No, did not.
Senator Reed:-You 60 out and tell
your people who come to you and who
listen to you as their teacher that the
war was brought about by people who
wanted to make big profits?
Mr.. Townley:-No, ! never stated it
in that way.
Senator Reed:-Just how?
Mr.. Townley:-I stated that people
who make big profit are strong for
the war.
Senator Reed:-What did you want
the people to understand by that
Why did you speak Of people who
make great profits being strong for
war? 1t is presumed that every 10y
al citizen is strong for the war. Why
did you single them out, except that
you wanted the people to understand
that they had been the cause of the
war?
Mr.. Townley:-No.
Senator Reed:-Why din't you say
that the man with the hoe is strong
for the war; that the man with the
pick is strong for the war; and that
| the man with the axe is strong for the
war, as we'll as the man who makes
great profits and the man who makes
little profits. Why did you pick out
the men?
Mr.. Townley:-I said just what you
asked me why did not say it. have
said time and again, in spite of the
fact that some of the corporations
We're making great profits
Senator Reed:-Why did you call
attention to the fact that these people
were making great profits in that con-
nection?
Mr.. Townley:-Doesn't that explain
the reason? When my neighbors son
avoids the draft and refuses to do his
part, it is my business and your busl-
ness to see that he does not avoid the
draft; that he goes as he should. 1t
some other citizen of the United
States, being in position where ne
has power, takes eXorbitant profits
for the service he performs for this
Government, he interferes with the
success of this Nation in this war Just
as my neighbours son or brother, who
refuses to give his body. For that
reason l would call the attention of
the people to the slackers and call at
tention also to the industrial and fin
ancial slackers who were taking eX-
orbitant profits.
Senator Reed:-Y gu did that to en-
courage the boys who are slackers?
You said, "Of course there is lot OF
fellows going into this war who are
making enormous profits, and there
fore we sympathize with you?" That
was your line of argument.
The Acting Chairman:-Here is
speech made on June % at Glencoe,
Mimi:
} Hes making the rules of the game"
!. These boys will give the biggest sacrl-
up their lives They will lose legs and
arms Whole companies will be blown
!. to atoms Hundreds of thousands. yes
rifced.
Did you say that?
Mr.. Townley:-I may have said
something like that in connection with
the rest of the talk.
The Acting Chairman:-lou sad
the rich pepole would stay at home?
Mr.. Townley:-I do not think said
that. We understand that the rich
man will go to war.
The Acting Chairman:-1 am ask
ing whether this is a correct quota
ton.
Mr.. Townley:-No.
The Acting Chairman:--lt looks
like an attempt to arouse the masses
by saying that the rich people will
stay at home
Mr.. Townley:-I never said that
with the idea of creating the impress
sion that the sons of the rich within
the draft age were not doing their,
: duty in the war.
The Acting Chairman:-What do
YOU mean by saying that the rich man
is making "the rules of the game
Mr.. Townley:--In Minnesota the
rich man makes the rules of the game.
The Acting Chairman:-But this