The Washington herald., 1918-10-29

to express my condolences. / found
him very detected and careworn. He
told me that he had heart trouble,
that he was almost exhausted aud
that he had applied for few weeks
leave of absence / knew that IL
was not only his comrades death
that was preying upon Waasenheims
mind. German missionaries were
flooding Germany with reports about
the Armenians and calling upon the
government to stop the ma5sacres.
Yet, overburdened and nervous as
Wangenheim was this day, he gave
many signs that he was SIN the
same unyielding German militarIst.' n
few days afterward, when re return
ed my visit, he asked:
Where's Kitchener's army?'
I'VE are willing to surrender Bel
gium now" he went on. Germany
intends to build an enormous fleet of
submarines with great cruising ra-
dius. In the next war, we shall
therefore be able completely to
blockade England. So we do not need
Belgium for its submarine bases. We
shall give her back to the Belsians,
taking the Congo in exchange"
1 then made another plea in behalf
of the prosecuted Christians. Again
we discussed this subject at length.
Plan to Shift Peoples.
THE Armenians," said Wangen-
helm, have shown themselves in
this war to be enemies of the Turks.
1t is quite apparent that the two
peoples can never live together in
the same country. The Americans
should move some of them to the
United States, and we Germans will
send some to Poland and in their
place send Jewish Poles to the Ar
menian provinces-that is, If they
will promise to drop their Zionist
schemes"
Again. although I spoke with un-
usual earnestness, the former ambas-
sador refused to help the Armenians
Still, on July 4, Wangenheim did
present a formal note of protest. He
did not talk to Talaat or Enver, the
only men who had any authority, but
to the grand vizier, who was merely
a shadow. The incident had precisely
the same character as his pro
forna' protest against sending the
French and British civilians down to
Gallipoli. to serve as targets for the
to put Germans officially on record.
Probably the hypocrisy of this protest
was more apparent to me than to
others, for, at the very moment when
Wangenheim presented this so-called
protest he was giving me the reasons
why Germany could not take really
effective steps to end the massacres.
Soon after this interview, Wangen-
helm received his leave and went to
Germany.
Callous as wangenheim showed
himself to be, he was not quite so
implacable toward the Armenians as
the German naval attache in Con-
stantinople. Human. This person
was generally regarded as a man of
great influence: his position in Con-
stantinople corresponded to that Of
Boyd in the United, States. A Ger
man diplomat once told me that
Human was' more of a Turk than
Enver or Talaat. Despite this repu-
tation 1 attempted to enlist his in
fluence. 1 appealed to him particu-
larly because he was a friend of
Enver, and was generally looked
upon as an important connecting link
between the German embassy and the
Turkish military authorities. HUI
,
! kaiser's, in constant communication
| with Berlin. and undoubtedly he re-
flected the attitude of the ruling
powers in Germany. He discussed
the Armenian problem with the ut
most frankness and brutality.
No Blame for Turks.
''I have lived in Turkey the larger
part of my life" he told me, "and I
know the Armenians. I also know
that both Armenlans and Turks can
not live together in this country One
OF these races mas got to go. And I
don't blame the Turks for what they
are doing to the Armenians. 1 think
that they are entirely justified The
weaker nation must succumb. The
Armenians desire to dismember
| Turkey; they are against the Turks
and the Germans in this war, and
! they therefore have no right to exist
here. also think that Wangenheim
went altogether too far in making a
protest; at least I would not have
done this"
1 expressed my horror at such SEN
t1ments, but Human went on abus-
Ing the Armenian people and absolv-
ing the Turks from all blame.
1t is matter of safety" he re-
piled; "the Turks have got to protect
themselves, and, from this point of
view. they are entirely justified in
what they are doing. Why, we found
1000 guns at Kadikeuy which be-
loDged to the Armenians- At first
Enver wanted to treat the Armenians
with the utmost moderation and four
months ago he insisted that they be
given another opportunity to demon
strate their loyalty. But after what
they did at Van, he had to yield to
the army, who had been insisting all
along that they should protect their
| rear. The committee decided upon
the deportations and Enver reluctant
ly agreed. All Armenians are work.
Ing for the destruction of Turkeys
power-and the only thing to do is
to deport them. Enver is really a
very kind-hearted man; he is inca
pable personally of hurting a fly!
But when ii comes to defending an
| idea in which he believes, he will do
1t fearlessly and recklessly. More
over. the Young Turks have to get rid
of the Armenians merely as a matter
of self-protection. The committee is
strong only in Constantinople and a
few other large cities. Everywhere
else the people are strongly old
Turk And these Old Turks abe all
fanatics. These Old Turks are not in
favor of the present government, and
so the committee has to do every
thing in their power to protect them
selves. But don't think that any
harm will come to other Christians.
Any Turk can easily pick out three
Arrnenians among thousand
Turksr'
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