Washington standard. [volume] (Olympia, Wash. Territory) 1860-1921, 1918-02-08
DECISION N CARR
CASE STILL PENDING
MANY ATTEND HEARING ON DIS.
LOYALTY CHARGES INVOLVING
SOUTH BAY TEACHER.

LOYALTY CHARGES INVOLVING
SOUTH BAY TEACHER.
No decision has been given by Mrs.
Josephine c. Preston, state school
superintendent, on the question Of
: revoking the certificate of Charles
Carr, teacher at South Bay, as petit
toned for by the County Council of
Defense, concerning which she con-
Quoted a hearing on the senate cham
ber of the statehouse last Saturday.
The decision will be Forthcoming
in the next few days, however, ac-
cording to the announcement made
by Mrs. Preston at the close Of the
hearing. II 1t is adverse to Carr, he
has the right of appeal to the supe-
rior court and is expected to take
that course.
Some $50 or 800 people. most of
them residents and 20 or rs Of them
school children of South Bay. Pleas
ant Glade and Puget, the districts
consolidated this year into the school
at South Bay, attended the hearing.
Attorney Thos. M. Vance appeared
= on behalf Of the Council and City At
torney Geo. r. Bigelow represented
Carr.
Testimony Against Carr.
Prosecuting Attorney Thomas
O'Leary, Mrs. Fred Agate and David
Barnhart testified that at Liberty
Loan meeting last October Carr de-
clared he would not lift finger to
aid the country because he consid-
cred the war unholy and commercial.
Other evidence was produced to show
that Carr had admitted avoiding war
aid work.
Rev. F. H. Mixsell also testified
that he and Carr engaged In q
lengthy argument over the war. At
one time. that nearly broke up q
Sunday School meeting. Carr max
ing extreme pacifist statements and
remarks similar to those at the Lib
erty Loan meeting.
In defense, Carr submitted peti.
tions signed by many residents Of the
district. expressing confidence in him
and protesting his discharge. Carr
made a conscientious objector de-
tense, saying he had meant to de-
nounce war as a general wrong.
He admitted he had been indis-
Greet, but said he was now ready to
serve, II called, although. he wanted
to be where he wouldn't have to kill
anybody directly. He also called
witnesses who testified that they had
never heard him express disloyal
sentiments.
"This is all a bad mistake" Carr
said. II am loyal to the government
! might have said what they say
said, but IL l did did not mean 1t as
they understood it.. II am called
into service will 60, but want to
be in a place where will not have
to kill a man. My religious beliefs
make me think killing is wrong. II
/ said would not raise my finger tc
help the government, meant
would not raise gun to kill q man
but since that time have changed
my mind. I would kill Germans IL
had to, because l believe that IL
right now."
He went on to say he would moi
resist the draft and would help the
government II given another chance
His remarks provoked from Attorney
Vance, In a statement supfming uI
! the case for the Council, the asser
ton that Carr's was "deathbed re
pentance."
Says "Case Is Proved"
1.-THE case Is proved" Mr., Vanc,
said. Carr admits he said tn,
things he is charged with saying
Grant that all his sentiments are sin
cere and that he believed what HI
said about the war--that does no
excuse him as school teacher. {
mOuthpiece OF the, government. HI
should no longer be allowed to plan
the poison OF sedition in the minds
Of the young"
Speaking in behalf of Carr, Attor
ney Bigelow asked care in reaching ,
decision. saying: ''These are day
OF changing opinions, Many peopl
believed we should be kept out o
the war and that slogan had grea
deal to do with the last campaign
Now the majority have changed thei
minds and are in favor Of the war
Carr said these things four month
ago and he has changed greatly. H
Continued on Pare Four