Tulsa daily world. [volume] (Tulsa, Indian Territory [Okla.]) 1905-1919, 1918-03-25
Face to Face With Kaisersm
By JAMES W. GERARD

lf''h 'N' a IeN|h
from mo II So, the attempt failed
In all my discussions with the ,,,.
hasSador on this subject referred
to my put - uttsrances IN whir,
emphasized that | was .endeayor,r.,
10 procure peace that would ro-.
nut us To I've iu cordial and neigh
horlN relations with Relgium
"Nr Gerard's memory would see,.
also To have served him fau,iuy
when he W~pte down what wa. s,id
about Russia. lie dealt hut st,prr,
ciRllV with GcrmanN's eastern Va,
aims. observing that the Tinted
states interest In this GIrectioa va.
very limited and that Gcrmlr, ur.
douhtedN would have n fr,, hama
there For Rumana and Se-b, Ia
also revealed very slender syn,p,.he
Mr., Gerard did not obtain ogt - rlv.
mouth any Of tho statemep.. .or.
c"rntng these countries Whici he ~.
tributes to me
~ hen diplomats undertake 2, ~.
plot their official career for .ov,.
nalistic purposes they nre vcrv 9.l
10 be mtslcd into putting into month.
~ foreign statesmen uttcran-as
which either are the creations q, nv
ample Imagination or are tiSed one
faulty memory, Discussion OF poIr
cal opinions Is bound to 10 transnor.
and fleeing
"Nou Americans are impetuou,
people You do not seem 70 .pern,.
even your retiring diplomats TO oh.
serve tho traditional sllCnces nor
have YOU the patience to abide tho
post-murtem publication ~ their me-.
molrs Sir Edward Goschcn ,for
mcr British Am ha ssador tn German,
ard Austria or Jules Canton Dor.
mcr French Ambassador 10 Ger
many. the United states and SpainN
probably could excel Mr.. Gerard In
revelations OF entertaining diplorAati.
history and gossip. Count Won Bern.
storff. former Am bassador to the
United states too. | tmaRirc miEht
startlc w with diary Of his Wash
ington experiences.
In Europe. however. II vas feen
that publication or such matters
were best postponed nv common
consent to q later period when
judgments are both calm and more
mature Mr Gerard. however. may
hold special license, conferred by
shirt sleeve diplomacy MS YOU call
H. and | shall not dispute his pre-.
roEntivcs But no must not give his
imagination the free rein"
Gcrnrd's Reply tn Dr. IIo,wCg
And this was my answer uuS'ishrd
In the New YORK Times FOR Sept. ..
1915:
"noctor Hollwef apparently did
not have the exact copy Of nv art
Cles for II he had read them Ne
would have seen clearly that said
tho peace terms described were the
German peace terms and not the
opinions ~ the chancellor Doctor
HollweR said he himself was sub
ICct TO the rule Of the military party
of Germany and could not fol.,S
his own desires
In the second place. Doctor Hr,l-
veg admits that the German govern
ment intended to exact guarantees
from Belgium, and makes tho ad-
mission himself after the interview
In which he SO sharply c-i,icIcs me
Thirdly. | ask n those terms as
cited are not the German peace
terms
"Dr Ilollwog gives nothing difet
ent from these. and so It might be
assumed they aye the German terms
after all. consider IL matter OF
great regret that the German gov
ernment put Doctor Hoilueg out of
otflcc. and / feet that personally he
is bitterly opposed TO the ruthless
submarine warfare Of tho German
government and that he only re-
trained from resiEning his office out
Or Difference 10 the wishes Of I'm
peror Wilhelm.
II presume he was nut out because
his ideals we're too liberal for the
German authorities to endure TN,
libcralitN is shown - the interview
] am sorry to take issue with Doctot
ltpiIweg on this subject because !
have a great admiration for HIM and
! think he is a fine old fellow.
The old time diplomacy which
Doctor IIollweg advocated hnS sue
ceeded IN plunging almost the whole
world into the hloodiest war OF his
tory. when the people OF = nation.
know what is going on In the seats
ot government such wars cannot
happen
"But I believe that the old style
diplomacy IN tho dark caused this
war. ~ course. 1t is hard for Ger
man OK official 10 conceive that the
people have a right to he enlight-
ened about this awful calamity. Rut
! hope one of the results OF this war
will be the end Of hackstalrs dlpio
macy. When the Germans. with tho
chancellors approval violated the
usage Of all nations and times and
kept me as hostage after had de-
manded my passports. I think to talk
OF ethics comes with bad grace
from the German side"
German E1-ChanCcIlor Talks 81
Ethics.
Understand that Rcthmann-IIoll-
veg Is not had man, but for one
who openly announced that necessity
knows no law and defended tho in
vasion of Belgium. failed TO stop the
crueltieS ~ the prison camps and
gave official II not private. consent
to the murder Of women and babies
not only on the high seas. but In IN
defended towns 10 talk OF ethics hc-
cause ! dared to tell the world what
was happening lr Germany Is more
than ridiculous II verReH on tho ~
dicrous. but why attack Bethmann'
Opportunity knocked At his door. but
the want ~ back hone prevented
his becoming a great figure.
History will laud him for opposing
ruthless submarine war 50 long but
Will blame him for weakly yielding
I'm tho end As for the ethics |
have been careful To give only off,
cial cony ersations with the emperor.
interesting as the others are and