Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1917-10-03

A. No, didn't know.
O. Never saw him before2 \. Have seen
him. but l cidn't know his name.
Q. Can you describe him? A. Yes, pretty
well.
O. Suppose you describe him? a. lie is
a man about five feet seven, dark com.
plected. very chunky. He didn't have
moustache.
@. DO you remember how he was dressed?
4. No.
SPEAKS OF SAN DEUTSCH
| Q, As understand you spoke about sam
Deutsch. You saw him outside the club,
didn't your Ho wasn't inside the club?
I A. Well, there was somebody upstairs be-
sides Bugdonofr, and he appeared SO sud
denly in front Of the club that he must
! have come out Of the club.
/ Q. Well. you didn't see him in the club
1 You are here testifyins. A. No; [ didn't
see him in the club.
q. No; you did not see him in the club
| After that you went to the police station
understand? A. Yes, sir.
@. Whom did you see at the police sta
| ton? A. I saw officer Murphy and writ
| scha fter and Tram. and lots of police. They
| were all strange there excepting them that
| | knew
c. They are the only three men you
| knew? \. knew Charles stevenson
| coored officer and Mike sullivan
O. What happened there at that time?
/, 4. Well in the sergeant's room there were
about twenty-five or thirty people. and
! some man at the desk, and II looked ike
they were searching them, and .couldn
| see into the room with the door leadlns
| from the street and l went around TO the
| front door, and officer Stevenson was there
I I ig this ('laTlie. lie
says, 81 don't know what it Is. th'nK
! they are taking revolvers from them
BY Mr. Gordou--Q They were what? \.
They were taking revolvers from the men,
BY Mr.. Connor-Q. Did anything else
! happen there? A. Well, I asked Mike sui
| livan il the lieutenant was in. He says
mo. he isn't in"
Q. That Is all that happened? n Ana !
| says, What was that thing occurred'
why" he says. "They overstepped them
selves They shot fellow and blackJacheu
people around there"
q. And then you got disgusted and went
out Of the ward? a. Yes, sir.
q. When did you first learn or have any
knowledge Of any kind Of these men going
into the ward? \. on the Monday previous
to the primary election.
O. What was told you? \. Well when
went into the office where work. 10
make report on some business that |
BY Mr.. Gordon-Q What was it? What
was 1t to report on? a. II was an investl-
CATION of labor troubles
by Mr.. Connor-Q. An investigation Of
some strike that was going on? A. Yes sir
G. You folks had been employed by the
employers Of labor? a. Yes, sir
O. Now, go on and tell us what was the
first notice that you had? a. In the outer
office | met Mr., sullivan, and finally Judge
! Persch came to the door, Magistrate Persch,
and he opened IL just as I was walking in,
No; Sullivan opened the door as ] was
walking in, and Judge Persch was sitting
in there and also Mr.. Deutsch, Ike Deutsch'
and Mr. Maoney. Mr. Maloney was sit
! ting
O. To shorten matters, are they the only
people who were there? A. Yes.
Q. Some one said something about pick
! AK crowd coming into the ward on election
day. A. Yes, sir.
O. who said that? 4. Ike Deutsch.
, g. Nobody said where they were coming
from? A. No, l didn't know that
; @. The picll-ax crowd? \. Oh, the Tentf
! Ward.
D @. OF course from that time on up until
election day you had no thought that there
|! was going 70 be any violence at all in the
> Fifth Ward. had you? A. No. sir
! O. And l understand that on Tuesday
| night the night before the election, you
| said something TO Mr.. Deutsch, you told
| us-about these men having blackjacksi
, a, Yes lhat "aS di'oi '"' A''''
| raid.
. @. Where was that conversation held
e | A. At the Republican League 5Sl PINE
] street
r O. Who were present at the conversation
:, \. Mike Sullivan, Mike Murphy, Wirtschaf
|. ter was moving around, and Uram.
i O. Tram, Wrtschafter, Mike Murphy
q Deutsch, yourself and sullivan? a. Yes
and there was 100 other people.
y Q. You said something about them hav
\. ing blackjacks. A. Yes.
n Q. Dcutsch said. Then | will take then
= away from them" A. Deutsch, said, 'Yo,
~ couldn't expect these men 20 fight pick
n axes with their mouths" I said. ''Tha
hasn't anything 10 do with this You knoy
W what they promised He SAYS Then W
W will take them away from them; is tina
! satisfactory" ! said. "Al right, will TAX
n ! YOUR word for that" ] said, Where d
/. you get those things?' Mike Sullivan sait
n II bought them
: @. Mike Sullivan was working with 20
7 for the same employer? y. lie was WORK
It ing in the same office.
m ! O. This conversation which you hav
~ Just told us about what part of the clu
10 house was that held in? Where had 20
n the talk about the blackjacks when thes
10 five men were present whom you name
and a great many others whom you car
g, not name? a. That was right in the COZ
"a ridor, the upper parlor door.
"a Q. How many people do you think wei
ne there at that time? y. There was lots
the parlor and lots upstairs.
O. Right there where you were havir
20 this conversation? A. No, sir. This pa
ticular conversation took place at the upp
'' parlor door, just between ourselves.
Q. Between the five of you? A. Yes, 81
ne II wasn't talked about
!" O. What hour in the night was that?
It was after the Finletter raid.
20 O. What time? A. 1t was later tha
o'clock and not as late as 10 o'clock.
g might have been about half past nine or S
ne but / tell you / didn't take no time as 7
CARDS those things. I didn't look at II
an watch when everything happened. ! h;
nd no occasion to do il.
q. Mr.. Clark. yesterday YOU told Of
~? conversation between you and Deutsch a
a the Lieutenant. A. Yes
A O. And Deutsch said TO the lieutenai
ce, / according TO your statement, that m
ZEN would be brought around there TO stand
d." some fellows. and the lieutenant wou
got | know them by white ribbon? A. Yes.
INF Q. Where was that conversation hel
az A. In the lieutenant's room of the Thl
ne District police station.
20 q. On the day before election? A. Aft
ma the men were delivered at 5S1 Pine sire
md II may have been 7 o'clock or half pI
seven.
q To YOUR best recollection, is that