Arizona republican., 1917-08-16

toga in his hand, held it up and said 1 Tn this fold I carry peace and war; choose which you will have" Give us which you prefer" was the reply. | Then take war answered the Roman, letting the toga fall. We accept the gift" cried the Carthaginian senators, and welcome"
 1 1 said No, your majesty, only hop | ing that the differences between two | friendly nations may be adjusted" The emperor then spoke of what he termed the uncourteous tone of our notes, say l ing that we charged the Germans with | barbarism in warfare, and, as emperor and head of the church, he had wished i to carry on the war in a knightly man. ner He referred to his own speech 1 to the members of the Reichstag at the commencement of the war and said that the nations opposed to Ger many had used unfair methods and means; that the French, especially, were not like the French of TO, but i that their officers, instead of being nobles, came from no one knew where. l He then referred to the efforts to i starve out Germany and keep out milk i from that nation, and declared, before ] he would allow his family and grand children to starve that he would bow up Windsor Castle and the whole royal family of England
 No Longer Any international Law"
 We then had a long discussion in detail of the whole submarine ques
 tion, in the course of which the em peror said that the submarine had come to stay; that it was a weapon recognized by all countries. and that he had seen a picture of a proposed giant submarine in an American paper. the Scientific American. He added that anyway, there was no longer any international law. To this last state
 ment Chancellor von Bethmann- Holl- veg agreed. He further said that a
 person on an enemy merchant ship
 was ike a man travelling on a cart behind the battlelines-he had no just
 cause of complaint if injured. He asked
 me why we had done nothing to Eng land because of her alleged violation of international laW-why we had not ! broken the British blockade,
 In addition to the technical argu-
 ments based on international law answered that no note of the United
 States had made any general charge
 of barbarism against Germany. that
 We complained of the manner of the
 use of submarines and nothing more
 I said that we could never promise t.
 do anything to England or any other | ir,
 Germany or from any third country
 to keep the rules of international law and respect the rights and lives of oil
 citizens that we were only demanding
 our rights under the recognized rules of international law. and it was for us
 to decide which rights we would en force first. As l had already told the , chancellor, if two men entered my
 grounds and one stepped on my flower
 beds and the other killed my sister,
 should probably first pursue the mur-
 de1er of my sister. Referring to tho Emperors simile, I said that those
 travelling on the seas ill enemy mer-
 chant ships were in d different posi- ] tor from those travelling in a car be
 hind the enemy's battlelines on lahG because the land travellers were !:
 encmy's territory. whi.e those on th'
 seas were on territory which, beyond : the three mile limit, was free and il no sense enemy territory.
 | Question of Great Britain's Blockad'
 We also discussed the position tahe1 } bv the German government in one O the Frye notes, in which the German law expert had taken the position tha a cargo of food destined for an armed enemy port was presumed to be fo
 the armies of the enemy and, there fore, contraband The emperor spok
 of the case of the Dacia with some bit terness, but when I went into an eX planation the chancellor joined in tn conversation and said that our posi- tion was undoubtedly correct.
 I said that it was not our bushes ? to break the blockade-that there wer : plenty of German agents in the Unite l States who could send food ships an test the question. I recounted the cas l of one ship knew of, the WilhelminS : laden with food, which had bee
 seized by the British, who then com : promised with the owners, paying then n I believed, q large sum for the dis e puted cargo. And. in taking up th n doctrine of the ultimate destinatio 0 of goods, i. e, goods sent to neutrs e country, but really destined for a bel U ligerent, I said I believed that durin our Civil War we had taken, as agains | England, exactly the same stand whic
 England now took. I said that = thought one Of the decisions of our su II prerne court was based on shipmer l. to Matamoras, Mexico, but this, tn , supreme court had decided, was reall | for the Confederacy.
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