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e. M. GRIFFITH

AttOrney-at-Law
Practice extends to all courts of Idaho
and Washington. Office over First
National Bank, Grangeville, Idaho.
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DIR. c. w. SLUSSER
Physician and Surgeon
Hours: l 80 to 4:3O p. m. Office In
A. and +. Block, Grangeviile, Idaho.
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Chiropractor

DIR. w. ID. SINS
Chir0practor
Adjust all Chronic Troubles. No drugs
No Medicine Office over Savings &
Trust Co. Bank. Bell Phone 201.
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f. o. e.
Grangeville Aerie No. 5ss

Meets every Friday at q. m. Visit
ing Brothers are always welcome.
f. S. HANCOCK, w. p.
FRANK VAN DEyENTER, Sec
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Secret Orders

w. u. w.
Grangeyille Camp No. 2O6
Meets First and Third Mondays Of
each month at I. o. o. It. Hall.
GEORGE l.. SLY, G. G.
r. III. AMBLER, Clerk.
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i. u. u. r.
Camas Prairie Encampment No. Is
Meets Second and Fourth Saturdays of
each month at /. o. o. F. Hail.
Il. S. HANCOCK, G. p.
JESSE l.. RAINS, Rec. Scribe.
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CANVAS PRAIRIE HOMESTEAD NO.
5619.
Brotherhood American Yeomen
Meets First and Third Thursdays of
each month, at ]. o. o. f. Hall. Wis
iting members welcome.
F. L. LEONARD, Correspondent.
VIM. T. WILLIAMS, Foreman.
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KNIGHTS OF PYTHIAS

Buffalo Hump Lodge No. 30
Meets each Tuesday at Lodge Rooms
in Schmadeka Block.
f. o. ABRAdSON, G. G.
b. AUGER, X. of r. and s.
The true Democrat. [volume] (Bayou Sara [La.]) 1892-1928, 1917-02-24

a little farm wpll.tiIied poet
sings Of but a hg farm seil.ttlled Is
always an interesting sight, montt,
ment to human foresight and industry
II is that. one secs In The McGehee
plantation mndcKily called Woodlawn
Farm. located near Laurel till post.
office II needs not the name on sign
boards az either gate. each bearing the
word. Welcome, to attract the atten-
ton Of the most casual passerby That
has already been done by neat fences
the sweep Of well-cnltisated fields over
smoothly rolling upland green with
vegetation or browning with the har-
vest OF sweet smelling hay or oats
There IL ne season Of the year when
NuodlaWn does not show the most
notable care. I'm winter when other
fields are brown and sere, here the
land Is shielded against cold by cover
crops, softly green This beautiful but
unpretentluas farm was laid ont and
developed BY 5ohu Burruss McGehee,
son Of Judge Edward MoGehee Of
Wilkinson County By his third wife
Mr. McGehee's life-work was the en-.
deayor ia develop the agriculture Of
the South. and ca Woodlawn bee placed
his object lessons. His greatest sue
cess In this line. vas that while expert.
mentlng aith thousands Of various
crops and methods he discovered and
developed one of the finest standard
crops OF the South, and enc shat goes
great way In restoring waste land to
useful cultivation. Viz. lespedeza Ills
development of rustprosf oat was
another great service. and the exposi
ton Of homegrown live stock another
This man gifted sith SO much fore.
sight. now rests from hEs labors, and
the thousands Of birds, tha, sport over
the green fields he loved 80 well. sins
his requiem His greatest Joy In life
IL his best monument Ia death
The business IL nov con6aeted by
hts eniy son. James Stewart McGehee
uho eas born just over the line. IN
Mississippi The family came 70 West
FelieiaHa az the close Of the war, ahd
the son was educated al Magruder't
Collegiate Institute, Baton Rouge, and
the Episcopal High seheol in Virginia
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First Plantation in West FeIiciana to Break Away
From Anbquated Farming Melhods.......a......,...,

Mr. McGehee unqualI6edly recommends
Red poiled for AZ least all Of the hill
country OF Louisiana Fle ia not par.
ticular partisan OF the Red polled, as
he owns q ranch Ia Wyoming where he
has POO head of shor, Horn cattle, aud
for q climate like Wyoming's, considers
that nothing Ia their equal
While the trend Of Mr. Mciehee's
mind. his education, In fact Of his
entire life training, tends towards spec.
ializing. nevertheless he has bad forced
upon him tie conclusion that Sog tho
present, and certainly for some years
90 come. II is TO The general purpose
breeds that the South must look for It's
cattle development Ills aide cxper.
ieBcc makes bis opinion authoritative.
Mf MeGohec married Miss Lise
johnson Of West Feliciana and they
with his mother, compose the house.
HNtHr Rftat 'At'HHH ~ hiNNA NNHhfaAha
and hearty hospitality TO friend and
stranger alike The couple have uo
children. but are second parents 80 the
children Of Mrs McGohces brother.
Or Harry Nee. Johnson. now of San
Antonio These youngsters are frequent
guests al NoodlaWn aud make house
and farm resound with their JOY az
being there. To every private object
or public measure that appeals to him
rs meFitorious Mr. McGehee is goner.
Gus without stint. and those who win
his friendship are sure 81 his loyalty
and understanding
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f.. :. Muse

Eugene :. Muse. OF az he is familiar
~ called b. his many friends, Jack
Muse. II the son of the late Capt Jas
Muse and Mrs. EIiska Tlfeuii Muse
Ills father VAS a steamboat captain
when such title vas badge oil
popularity as well as ability Mr. Muse
Vas born In New Orleans. July Is iss0
and ON his fathers death in 1899 the
family moved TO their plantation near
Morganza, poiate Coupee Here b.
grew UP under his mothers care, at
tending school In New Orleans, pointe
Coupee and ST franeisyille Later he
went TO Louisiana State University
completing a business education AT
soul6 Commercial College his studies
there particularly fitting him for the
work in the parochlal Office he now
holds
The family moved TO ~ FraacIsylle
In 1901. and In 1908 he vas employed
a. deputy clerk by the late Abfan
/ vEllerpt. then clerk Of the court IN
1919 Mr. Muse was elected 10 thai
Office IN the first primary over twe
opponents. and reelected In 1915 With
/ ont opposition These facts speak sue
cEaetly of his efficiency and the conse
queui approval of his constituents, liz
. il an uncompFomising Democrat, ans
served oeor ten years as secretary d
/ the Parish Democratic Executive Com
mntee. and nov as ward member o.
that committee
Since entering the clerks office h
read lae. and was admitted 10 the hai
/ iu isii Though he has never practiceti
+ his professional knowledge doubles hh
efficiency in his responsible positiot
az clerk uf court he has also intro
duced modern business methods init
the office and works constantly for per
fecting the manner OF handling th'
/ records
He VAS married July s. 1907. to Mis-
Ethel kllbourne, daughter nf the lat'
Il. = kllbnafne. They have one ltttSt
daughter. Ethel. Ills mother divides
her time between his home and that o
his only sister. Mrs. n X Davis @
Baton Rouge
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A COLOR SYMPHONY.

After an evergreen hedge il planted
then set out, SO they sill alternate.
Judas fred budl trees and In front Of
them dogwonds In the spring when
the white bloom 81 the dogwouds and
the pink Of the Judas trees are glorious
against the evergreen background, no
matter what your troubles mas De, sou
81 least can thank God for his gift Of
beauty t. the world. and IL YOU have no
troubles Of your own you viii have the
additional happiness AZ feeling that
you sre making your home oae Of the
beauty spots Of your section Most II
not all Of these trees can be taken
from your woods with a little trouble
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Woodlawn F arm

TO gain practical experience on his
return home. he worked on Woodlawu
as a farm hand one year. then for six
years az traek.salaeF foreman, con.
dactor and general agent respectively
on the West Ftliciana Railroad. Of
which his father vas president lie
then operated the old McGehee home
stead. two miles southeast Of Wood.
willie. and considers himself TO this day
q good plosman and = good hay hand
Mr. McGehee then moved TO 81
Louis, Mo, where for twenty years he
vas a Wholesale grain merchant. ac.
cumuIating an independent fortune.
when his fathers health failed h. re-
turned 10 Louisiana and took charge Of
NoodIawu. siying his father IN bis last
years the companionship Of devoted
son Mr. MeGehce has always been q
hard worker and hard student He
does not take things ar they come, but
thinks them out and makes them come
His administration of N0odlaan IL
able aBd enlightened There are 500
acres In cultivation aud pastures Con.
trary to custom, he allows one acre of
pasture for each head Of cattle, but IN
dry years he considers a little more
necessary Ills chief money crop il
the Red Rustpfcof Seed Cat Of which
there we're as acres the past year
30 In corn, $50 in pasture The cat
land makes crop OF hay and grass
seed In the same year
Woodlawn has done tremendous
amount Of experimenting In cattle
Thirty years ago II was discovered
that the damp climate Of Louisiana
considered Ia connection with waiery
condition OF grass. most Of which Is
somewhat lacking In nutrient elements
+ demonstrated that the larger breeds d
cattle. like Short Horn. Hereford, th'
Black Angus and the Hoistein wer'
contra.iadleated toF The hin country o.
Louisiana Deyons we're flrst found Z,
b. best suited to this climate, bat ihel
have horns. which constitutes an In
supefable objection They are not pre-
/ life breeders and their milking quali
ties are somewhat faulty. The Re,
poiled are strong In exactly the poinil
! Ia which the Devona are deficient an'
The true Democrat. [volume] (Bayou Sara [La.]) 1892-1928, 1917-02-24

Distant a mile or more from the
Woodsille road aud about seven miles
from -. Ffsnclsyille Is one Of the most
notable plantations In West Felieiana
The Cottage plantation Opened IN
1871 by Thomas Butler, afterwards Con
gresham, and In continuous posses.
zion Of tbe family ever since, IL com.
hines what vas sise and correct In
the agriculture Of the past with eyi.
dence Of the adoption OF what is equal
~ good In the present, Its broad acres
are largely given 90 the raising Of live
stock. Hereford cattle being the breed
chosen. isut this does not take into
account acres upon acres OF beautiful
woodland hardly touched by the icon.
oclastie az, or the rude tread OF those
who seeing, do not appreciate all that
the unspoiled scene implies Of the
fostering care Of owners of discriml.
mating taste, vide culture aud very
noble love Of nature One fine beech
tree. the pride OF The Cottage" Is
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Thinking Of progressive and prae't
cal men. full II good ideas and signal
ability to execute them, the chances
are that among the first TO be men.
toned will BE- Wade II Richardson,
and the facts bear out the suggestion
he was born al Holly Grove plantation,
near Wakefield this parish, IN 1869,
bsIug the pasthumous son of Wade III.
Richardson and Amanda Barrow Rich
aFdsou, his birth occurring one month
after hs fathers death He was reared
and educated. partly tn this parish and
partly In NeS Orleans. where the
samiIy lived iattcrly but maintaining
coutrol of their property aud never
losing interest In the parish, where
ihey sere widely known and highly
connected. datins mack 10 the carry
settlement of West Felicianu Ills
father represented West felIeiana Ia
the Legislature during the civil Wat.
serving IN both Houses After tn" var
b. put forth his best efforts, tilE cut
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the young M mbers Of the family now
beginning to take notice and finally
twenty, eight years ago ho bought $50
acres from Mr. Jas. r Bowman and
built The Res douce adjoining Rose.
down and about three miles from
town. II is enc Ct the most attractive,
modern homes in West Felieiana set
10 beautiful gardens, with open grounds
beyond and an ayemc Of young oaks
leading 10 the trent gale
Judge Butler has turned over the
care Of his plantations Deserta and
Bush Hill. TO his two eldest sons ur
rhos and William + Butler who look
aftrr tbs live stock sid planting inter.
asts respectively. both Of whom pursue
advanced methods la these branches
81 agriculture. ifs ether children are
Hun Minor Butler connected with
b. National city Bank Mobile Ala
Samuel l. sugar chemist having em-
rloymfut ia cuba: jas : whose -four.
shing milk shipping business II men.
toned elsewhere IN this paper, Mrs
George 4. French Of S'alesyille, \, c.
Misses Louise Annie and Margaret
Butler. There are three grandchil-
dren. children Of Mrs French
Surrounded By his devoted family
enjoying good health. relieved from
business cares and duties, and with
abundant means for leisure aud com.
fort. receiving general respect and
esteem. Judge Butler wears his years
tightly and finds tn all, much sstisfac.
ton and pleasure,
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so feet high and So feet from tip TO
tip Of its widest lateral branches
Nor does the house erected Of the
best crypreEs In 1911 show any OF the
effects Of age except It's beauty, being
In perfect repair. and having every
evidence Of comfort, /, Ia located ON
the bluff formation on the east bank of
AleNanders creek at that point, and
from the broad gallery may be seen
vast spaces of landscape framed by
trees of the primeyal forest scenery
which has been kept In the natural
state except those traces OF the hands
OF man as are needed TO remove the
signs OF decay or the spoilation o5
storm. ON either side are flower
gardens and beyond the one 20 the
right. pasture lands with rich forest
trimming the horizon.
The place IL named The Cottage
where others would have called IL by
some ether more high sounding name,
bat this modesty Of title is indicative of
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Spring Grove Plantation

to the local farmers Undertaking this
work Is another proof Of MIR Richard
son being alive ta the public interest
a. we'll "a his own
Though q daifyman Of hardly three
wears experience, Mr. Richardson Is
president Of the Louisiana Datrymens
Association his magnetic personality
ard intelligence having force In con
test Of ideas and plans with men older
IN the business. During his regime
membership In tho Association has In.
creased twenty Eve per cent. lie has
secured promise from the \ d NJ v.
railroad OF a refrtgeFasmg car, one
that makes it, own ice while transport
ing milk. His latest efforts are To
crystalline support for q condensed milk
plant at Baton Rouge Of 2oOo gallons
daily capacity. TO afford convenient
market for milk shippers IN the vicinity
Mr. Richardson belongs TO the local
oreauilatienns Of the Knights Of py.
thlas. Woodmen of the World, Eastern
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gallantty throughout the var seem.
service IN Kentucky, Alabama and
other parts Of the South lie acted as
FIRST lieutenant AT the Battle Of Shiloh
aud To this day bears the mark Of the
bullet that grazed his head he was
also In the battle Of Chirkamaufa and
Missionary Ridge. where he vas en
General Hraag'R staff he vas doing
service AZ the fort al Mobile, Ala at
he time Of the Surrender. having been
neSlt appctSted captain
On bis return home he began the
reading Of law In the office al " u.
Winter a local iurist and completed
his studies al the Louisiana University
nov Tulane. tVhcre he studied and
afterwards praeIiccd Is the present
residence of The True Democrat house.
hold, then located close Sc the street ;
EIe vas admitted 10 tn bar and began
practice About lk3s BE- vas appointed
to 6ll vacancy as Judge In the dis.
lrict. then composed Of puinte Coulee,
Avoselles aud West Feliciana parishes
His term covered a session Of court IN
each OF the two first named parishes
tie continued The practice Of his pro
fesslon only seven sears, as be found
It's demands Incompatible With the
time required by his plantation inter.
ests. finally dereiiag himself 70 the
latter entirely
Tie did not however drop his connee.
lton with public matters his good jude
ment making hl. adylc in,aluahle ard
the prestige al his supWrl worth an
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]. {. Magearl

4 substantial citizen Ia Jas G Ma
gtah. although making ITO preioasions
u hatevef. and giving his Wheie atteR'
ton to his business tie IL son Of
the late " II Magearl, she VAS born
In old ireland and lived from carly
manhood In ii ffancisyille, a man Of
uniaue character. His lodge certificate
from the old country In Ia the archives
of Feliciana Lodge. Jim Magearl
Vas born In 81. Francisyille, 1872 and
has lived his entire life here, He early
began To work fer John q Tempei,
then in the butcher business, as vas
his father before him. Young Mageari
worked seven years for Mr.. Tempel
and ON the iattefs retirement TOOK
over the business for himself, having
learned lis every detail He has con.
tinued II successfully To- this day,
amassing considerable property and
enjoying a comfortable living He owns
the two-sfory building that serves for
DIV citing and meat.mafk"t, the butcher
peu In the suburbs Of 81 Francisfille
large farm property formerly part of
Cat Island plantation and Bayslew
plantation. four miles from town, for.
merIy Owned by + F. Converse
Mr. Magsarl has large business
"a hich extends beyond the confines of
the two towns, supplying fresh beef.
pork and mutton
MIR. MaRearl vas married April, 1897,
to Miss Nellie G Tempel'ot 81 Fran
eissille. daughter Of the late Chas.
" Tempel Their tso children are
Clyde. studying teiegraphy under l.,
n. Rogers, station agent ot the ! &
" v branch and Miss Lucille In the
Junior class Of the high school. both
popular tn the younger set His mother
and ore brother Fred NJ, reside IN
NJ. FfanelsyilIe. hie only sister, Mrs
David Harrison. in NeS Orleans
The true Democrat. [volume] (Bayou Sara [La.]) 1892-1928, 1917-02-24
The Cottage Plantation

the considerations character and man.
ners of the entire family Identified
with every measure OF benetlt to the
general public since he days when
Thomas Butler. the founder of the
West feliciana branch Of the family,
served as Congressman for many
years. and able to trace = lineage much
farther back, they have no arrogance
OF birth or wealth. but only modest
desire TO help every good cause. Their
charities are many aud constant
M. Edward Butler Ia president OF
the West Felieiana Fair Association,
and proved his ability by great assist
ance Of advice aud direction In for
aarding the enterprise. Mr. Butter has
also developed his tastes as natural
list. especially In the line OF bird life,
10 which be- gives constant study
Among other achievements be has
domestieated Wild geese, and other
students Of like tnstes are finding the
way 10 his home. as In usual, when oae
The true Democrat. [volume] (Bayou Sara [La.]) 1892-1928, 1917-02-24

A prominent member at one OF the
oldest families and In the first rank rs
a citizen Is Judge Thos Butler he VAS
born at The Cottage In lsto, son OF
MIR Pierce Butler. grandson Of Con
gresEmau Tkes Butler He attended
school in Pass Christian. Miss, later
AT the College Of 81 James In Mary
land tie vas student at the uuiver.
siiy Of Mississippi. oxford, when the
War between the States began, and
cane f." rliyitirs he received ap
T. atH { n GOV Moore, as lieu.
! ant. let la. infantry.
The young soldier served with great
The true Democrat. [volume] (Bayou Sara [La.]) 1892-1928, 1917-02-24
Judge Thomas Butler

effort To obtain In the trying times Of
the fight to regain complete white
supremacy n West F,heiana his com.
radeiy eouns,ls were Of great assist.
anee, as well as In other crises since
that tine. tie has served as police
juror, and for a number Of years was
on the State Beard Of Appraisers
lie was married In 1875 to Miss Mary
Fort, daughter ct William J Fort aud
Sally Jones Stewart, thus uniting other
old parish families For years Judge
and Mrs Butter lived a. the old home
place. Deserta, beyond Big Bayou Sara,
bat tis distance from town and removal
from current affairs were ifksome 10
The true Democrat. [volume] (Bayou Sara [La.]) 1892-1928, 1917-02-24

Star and Nasons He Is also Knight
Templar lle has never held office. his
residence In the country pfeciudlnF
regular attendance. Ia 1896, he VAS
married to Miss Madeline Converse
NJ West FeliClana Their only child Is
Mrs. 4. " Noland, her marriage taking
place early after q brief season OF
beliehood The young couple live With
her parents, thus fulfilling the dearest
wish Of all not To lac separated. 4 baby
horn April Il. 1916, has been added 20
the happy family groap This baby
when exactly six months old won the
prize for babies Of that age al the
parish fair. scoring 20 points Named
A " for his father, none the less he
is the third Wade In the household al
though not called BIS that name He is
a sturdy yGungster weighs 25is lbs.
aud already walks, and II beginning
20 talk Mr. Richardson, his young
Dgrandl Daddy" Nill evidently soon
have strong competitor along that
l.ne. Mr. holland. the young father
assists Mr. Richardson In tho plau'a
ton and other Interests.
The true Democrat. [volume] (Bayou Sara [La.]) 1892-1928, 1917-02-24

short hy death, 10 improve political
conditions. and Was power In the
local Democracy
The younger Richardson, while IN.
tefested In politics has beef content
90 serve In the ranks. Up To The last
election. ha had however served as
member OF the police jury, third ward.
for eight years end uas markedly one
Of the most forccful and far.sighted
men ON that bgnrd he was active TN
pushing read work and cndoavortug to
hasten the day of good roads He did
not stand for reelection.
Prior to- the coming al the boil
wee,il. Mr. Richardson planted cotton
mostly. bu, after that invasion and lis
attendant disasters, he turned Isis At.
tentiou tn other crops and methods
Gradually going into live stock raising
and the growing at feed crops. about
three years ego n brauched out into
dalrying and onee began 20 make a
success OF H. Al his homc place. Spring
Croy. I've miles from ii rranclgyiile.
30 has tn, in Koaa egulpoent which
ne i. constantly improving His clean.
air, harm $50, lao fact accommodates
las COWS handled bl improved methods
To the lett ol IN, barn is u siIo at goo
tons capaelty holding sufficient feed
for nine months In III year To the
right il the smaller building where the
MIX IL handled, bF saf''"f' "''hoaS,
Mt h'chafof"" Las a'''s'a apparatus
10 st'f'i'f' an mhh'hF h''''S''S %
s'sa'h' ana '"T sf''''T' '"'F ~ '""eh
ny al h'"ue'h means :" s''"'' '''a'i''
mess ana Pufits o' 'he pFo"u''' h'
pfs'h's's a'' ''E''''" ny WV e"s'
hahu'ac'afe" ." tue pace. "'" ="
shippea aa'is' oo' h'' " i"'' '"P"'"''
~ hIheh " re'a'hoo iof 'hf 'eh''"k W
caves ." oe''s no" o' '"'" ~
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Spring Grove Is au IDEAL country
home supplied with modern cenyen'
iences. that make rural life agreeable
To illustrate his readiness to take up
new IDEAS, Mr. Richardson's purchase
OF an automobile dated seven years
The true Democrat. [volume] (Bayou Sara [La.]) 1892-1928, 1917-02-24

How dare you talk back io me- I
never saw such impudenco and you
call yourself lady's maid, do you2'
Marie Il was lady's maid before
| sorked for sou"
The true Democrat. [volume] (Bayou Sara [La.]) 1892-1928, 1917-02-24

And the audience, my boy we're
glued 90 their seats. said the de-
lighted actor
That certainly Nas a neat Way 81
keeping them there said the efftie
New York Times
The true Democrat. [volume] (Bayou Sara [La.]) 1892-1928, 1917-02-24

Don't condemn man By the Crlti-
ctsm Of his enemies only his friends
can do the subject Justice
The true Democrat. [volume] (Bayou Sara [La.]) 1892-1928, 1917-02-24

Crouch Don't you believe II - II
Newiywea They say married man
lives longer than single one,
only seems longer"