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The Daily Missoulian. [volume] (Missoula, Mont.) 1904-1961, 1917-09-03
Be AMERICAN OR
TRAITOR NO
MIDDLE POSITION
Gerard Tells Big Audience
at Hamilton to Choose
Stand at Once.
GERMAN SYMPATHIES
NO LONGER PROPER
War for Rights Of World
Is on and Each Must
Take Part.

Hamilton. Sept. :. Especial. r.
Everyone must decide now whether
10 be an American or to he a traitor"
James w. Gerard. former ambassa
10 Germany. told an audience o! more
than 2.0D0 persons in an address here
this afternoon. Let them decide"
he said. IF they don't VIC will load
some OF them on ship and send them
back across the water
Mr.. Gerard told Of the social and
economic conditions in Germany and
related how the German people con-
sidered that the United States was
afraid to fight and that they believed
that they would have the world
whipped before this country could get
into the fight.
The Germans thought that America
was too fat and lazy to fight and would
take n kick in the face from them
without retaliailne" said Mr Gerard.
"Thc kaiser said that the war would
DC over before the leaves fell, hut the
world is beginning to think that he
meant the leaves Of the pine tree.
Time for sympathy Past.
1T Is hard to understana why some
OF those who left horrible economic
conditions over there TO come To Amer
lea as the land Of opportunity. now
feel cninity against this country and
favor the Prussian autocrats. Before
we entered this war it was all right to
favor Germany, but the time has now
passed"
a 1,,l <,1l ~ 1sa:~
the German prisons and of the disease
and suffering that the prisoners were
being subjected to. He vividly told
of the brutality of the Germans to-
wards the Belgians and how they had
left that little country in state of
absolute ruin.
Common People Powerless.
Speaking Of the franchise in Ger
many. Mr. Gerard declared that the
common people do not have any voice
in the government whatever. He said
that the reichstag was nothing more
than a debating society and that the
franchise was granted only on the
amount of wealth a man had
THE antocracy Of Germany went to
war TO keep the PEOPLE from starting
a revolution in Germany" said Mr..
Gerard. Democracy was coming and
the kaiser knew it and the only way
TO avoid 1t was to plunge tho people
into a war"
Mr.. Gerard said that the war was
started by the kaiser to conquer the
world aud that he had promised a
speedy victory. and If Germany won
they would have come over the Atlan-
| tic to exact the cost of the war from
America.
Flanders or Missoula.
"It is better to fight on Flanders
coast than in Missoula." he declared.
"Thcre is no doubt but that Germany
would have challenged us b.. landing
| in Brazil. The kaiser had no inten-
| ton OF landing in the United States,
| but he knew that he could provoke
trouble ,hy breaking the code of the
Monroe doctrine.
People who are opposing the wal
are guilty of the murder of Americans
because they prolonc the war. When
| the Germans believe America is IN
earnest and will stay in the war until
| antocracy has been overthrown. the
| war will be over.
| III the peace rroragnndists really
want peace they will get it quicker by
Keeping quiet than in an other way
The Daily Missoulian. [volume] (Missoula, Mont.) 1904-1961, 1917-09-03
Condemns Governor.

j. u. Works of Los Angeles said:
Il have never seen the time when
the governor of n state issued in
strlctions to prevent the assembly Of
peaceful people. I wonder il democ-
The Daily Missoulian. [volume] (Missoula, Mont.) 1904-1961, 1917-09-03

Continued on Page Seyen.l
The day book. [volume] (Chicago, Ill.) 1911-1917, 1917-02-27
MILITARY TRAINING.

MILITARY TRAlNING.-Let me
warn the people Of Chicago to be
against the military system now
being introduced into the city high
schools
had a dose of the infamous slave
making scheme in a high school
when 1 was 16-years old. l said slave
making. Yes, precisely for there is
no other purpose in the scheme than
to make the many obey the wishes
of the few, and to do it without ques-
The day book. [volume] (Chicago, Ill.) 1911-1917, 1917-02-27

to use his reason. Military teaches
implicit obedience. Do soldiers obey
because they believe that what they
are about to do is right or just? No,
they do nothing Of the kind. They
obey because they fear.
Fear, that is the word. Get a man
where he fears another and you have
a slave in just the proportion that ne
fears. The rulers rule because the
ruled fear. They who fear lose their
backbone. They are towards. They
submit without protest.
Kings, Caesars, NerOs, czaTs,
pOpes, bishops, rulers of all kinds,
have always instilled fear into the
minds of their subjects, parishioners
and slaves. These slaves, when
aroused by the spirit Of liberty and
contemplate breaking their yokes,
are called forth to kill and to be killed
in battle by their rulers under the
pretense Of kultUre, democracy, pro-
lection of small nations, liberty, ma
tionaI honor and a thousand other
excuses which the people swallow,
hook and all.
When the war is over the masses
are overwhelmed with hatred of their
sO-caIled enemies and with the grief
that they will humbly submit to being
ruled again. Sometimes pOpes tell
the world that wars are visitations Of
the wrath Of God. The people believe
this, and the kings being crowned by
the bishops receive their right to rule
from God CD. The people are told
they are fighting a righteous war and
that God is on their side, so they are
bound to win. My! how the poor, de-
luded, hypnotized and crazed people
fight!
This may seem funny to some, but
these are facts. can say that the
moral life of men in military schools,
national guards, the regular army
and navy is rotten. Venereal diseases
are common.
The day book. [volume] (Chicago, Ill.) 1911-1917, 1917-02-27

nereaI diseases came into the world
when man stopped trusting God and
permitted the priests to interfere in
his sex affairs, and that the priest
hood of all ages have bungled every
thing else they have tried to regulate
to the same extent that they have
blighted the primal sex purity of the
world.
am not writing this for the bene-
fit of "One of Them" as she is so
eternally orthodox in her ideas of
"punishments, " "mis-steps," wrong
doing" ETC., all taken over direct
from the priesthood, that she will not
understand what am talking about,
but there are other Forum writer's
and readers who do understand and
my spiel is for them.
The slightly revolutionary spirit
that my fellow prostitute exhibits in
her references to conventional JUS
tice; the accommodating secretary at
500 per, man-made laws, weakling
girls, ETC., is offset by her assumption
that she is able to judge the love and
sex affairs of others, whether of the
same or of widely different ages. She
speaks of "the honest prostitute" as
if any of US prostitutes, whether eco
nOmiC, political or philosophical,
could be honest and exist in this lying
world of ours.
All the pen-pushing prostitutes l
have ever known have had orthodox
minds and, being well known myself
as a high class philosophical harloC,
I advise the other variety to stick to
their profession and leave the high
brow stuff to experts.-A Male Pros
titUte.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-02-14

June 80, 1918, s21, $4,000; for con-
struction of an armor plate plant, SILL.
100000, making a total bond issue OF
s195, 256,000
By new taxation-An excess protlts
tax, 1926 100000; inheritance tax IN.
creases, S22, 000, 900, making total OF
$248, 100000. This makes grand To-
tai from new taxes and bonds oil $780,
256,000, or s9,S56,000 in excess OF ao-
solute needs.
In its report the committee explains
that the proposed authorization to Is
sue short-term certificates OF Indebted
ness up to S500,000,000 is for the pur,
pose of tiding the Treasury over until
the new taxes come in. A large por-
ton of the total revenues Of the gov
eminent is now payable during the last
month of the fiscal year, and probably
more than S500,000,000 Of revenue
would, in the opinion OF the commit
tee. be collected during June, 1918.
"The income tax, the munitions man
ufacturers' tax and the excess prohts
tax are all due and payable in June
of each year." the report says. MS
is practically as much as will be col
lected during the entire preceding
eleven months That is, while the dis
bursements for 1918 may be less than
the receipts for that year, still, at GER
tain periods prior to June the treas
ury may need these certificates OF IN
debtedness to tide il over"
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-02-14
JOHN ADAMS CHURCH GAINED
FAME AS MINING ENGINEER
Professor and Editor Who Died Monday
Was World Leader in Profession


John Adams Church, who died at his
home, at 697 West End Avenue, on Mon
day, was one of the most widely known
mining engineers In the world.
He was born IN Rochester in 1913.
His father, the Rev. Pharcellus Church,
was Horace GreeIey's pastor in Poult-
ney, VT, in 1928. Mr.. Church received
the degrees Of E. NJ. and Phi. D. from
Columbia University, where he served
at one time as professor of mineralogy
and metallurgy in the School of Mines.
He completed his studies in Europe.
He was editor of ''The Engineering and
Mining Journal" from 1872 TO 1874, and
in 1877, as a member of the United
States Geological Survey, was as
assigned TO study the Comstock Lode,
in Nevada.
He later became professor. Of miner
aIogy and metallurgy at the University
of Ohio. He was appointed by the Gov
ernor of Arizona TO report on artesian
wells in that state, and in 1885 Presi-
dent Cleveland named him a member OF
the Assay Commission. In 1886 he was
appointed by Viceroy Ii Hung Chang
to reopen for the Chinese government
some famous old silver mines in Mon
golia $50 miles north of the Great Wall.
He. his wife and infant son were at
tackled by a band of robbers, but were
rescued by a detail of Chinese cavalry.
He was a member of the American
Institute of Mining Engineers and the
Century Association. Besides his widow
and son, he is survived by his brother,
William Conant Church, editor and pro-
prietor of THE Army and Navy Jour
nal"
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-02-14
HOUSE AND SENATE SIT
TODAY TO ELECT WILSON

Washington, Feb. 13.-Congress will
meet in joint session tomorrow in the
hall of the House to canvass the vote
of the November election and to de-
clare Woodrow Wilson and Thomas K.
Marshall elected for the term begin
ming March 4 next.
The President pro tempore Of the
Senate, Senator Salisbury, will pre-
side and supervise the official count
Senators Kern, of Indiana, and Clapp,
of Minnesota, and Representative
Rucker, of Missouri, and Mapes, Of
Michigan, will be tellers.
The Senate will march to the House
shortly before l o'clock, preceded by
Senate pages bearing the boxes con-
tanning election certificates from the
forty-eight states. When Senator
Salisbury takes the gavel Speaker
Clark will stand at his left, while the
tellers are canvassing and announcing
the vote, state by state. in alphabet
cal order.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-02-14
British on TigriS
Have Surrounded
Turks West of Kut
Every Avenue of Escape for
Ottoman Army Dominated
by English Guns
Try Csbls 70 ms Tribunal

London. Feb. l3.-The British force
on the Tigris front have completely
surrounded the Turkish troops west OF
Kut-el-Amara, according to an official
announcement made to-day. After
sweeping the enemy back to his last
line Of trenches in the Dahra bend,
west of Kut and between the licorice
factory. formerly occupied by General
Townshend, and the Shumren bend, the
British troops pressed forward for
more than a mile across the Dahra
bend
The British line now reaches from
hank 10 bank on a front Of more than
three miles. The position Of the Turk
ish army is critical. 10 may escape
northward across the river, but not
without severe losses, even annlhlla-
ton. for every avenue Of escape IS
dominated by British guns.
The official statement regarding these
operations says;
"On Saturday the enemy's bridge at
Sbumren was shelled A direct hit was
scored. and some enemy shipping was
sunk.
"On Sunday the advance on the right
hank of the Tigris was resumed and
the enemy was driven back 10 his last
line OF trenches In the Dahra bend.
west Of Kut. BY evening our line was
established across the bend, from bank
TO bank, on a frontage Of $500 yards
and the enemy was completely hemmec
In. The distance covered in the ad
vance varied from 500 yards on our
right 10 1000 yards on our left
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-02-14
HAIG PROPHESIES
VICTORIOUS YEAR
British Commander Says
German Front Will Be
Badly Broken
CBy Wireless Pressl

Paris, Feb. 13.-"This year will be
decisive in a military sense. On the
battlefelds events will take place after
which Germany will be shown to be
beaten militarily. We shall break the
German front severely and at many
points"
This prediction Sir Douglas Haig,
the British commander on the Western
front, made to the French war CORE
spondents in an interview recently, as
reported In a semi-otficial communica-
ton. The Allies were ready in every
respect to meet the. enemy, General
Haig added, and the decision could
not be delayed.
1--WE shall strike with our full force,
he declared, until the German army is
totally destroyed.
at may be that this year of deci-
sion will also be the year Of peace,
the general continued. 1--WE all desire
that and shall do everything in our
power TO bring about the desired re-
suit. Peace cen come only with abso-
Lutte victory, which will be attained By
the force OF our arms.
British Morale Perfect
"The Allies must not allow them
selves 70 be deceived by Germany's
suggestions. In offering peace Ger.
many merely thinks of preparations
for the next war. If we were TO yield
TO her perfidiOus appeals the drama
would recommerce in three years.
"The soldiers, with their good sense
and instinct, understand that. Those
on whom it depends wish TO create
peace by victory with their blood. In
this respect / have entire confidence
in our troops. Their morale is above
suspicion. With regard TO peace, we
are all determined to fight until the
end"
Asked whether the great offensive
was imminent. General Haig replied:
whether the Germans, the French or
we ourselves commence IL, matters
little. If TIE enemy begins it, either
in the north or the south, in new sa-
tents that appear to him favorable or
on the former fields Of battle, We are
ready TO receive him and his efforts
will cost him dear.
"Our armies are fully trained and
equipped, able to rout the enemy. At
no moment will there be any possibility
Of his entrenching himself, once our
attack is under way.
Quick Railroad Building
"War is certainly not merely clash
of armies. In order to conduct 1t pro-
digious preparations and complicated
machinery are necessary. Our two
most serious preoccupations at present
are railways and artillery. Within the
last few mouths we have constructed
in the rear of our lines nearly 22O
miles Of railway. Recently | sent for
the managers of the greatest railroad
lines in Eng and. | showed them on
the spot what had been done and what
remained to be done. They understood
the urgency and the extent of the task
"As regards munitions, we have re
allied the maximum At this moment
we can supply the Allies in excess OF
thnir needs We must, however, have
more artillery, and especially heavy ar
tillery. The point is, not merely TO be
equal to the enemy, but to overwhelm
him with the whole Of our strength"
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-02-14
Finance Committee Would
Increase Bond Issue and
Debt Certificates
NEW TAXATION TO
RAISE $24S,000 1000
Legislation Recommended
to Tide Nation Over
Fiscal Year

Washington. Feb. ia Treasury
deficit of 1888, 100000 at the end of
the next fiscal year Is forecast in q
report submitted to-day by the Senate
Finance Committee, recommending
that the Administration revenue bill
be amended to authorize a bond issue
Of S195,256,000, instead of sl00,000000,
and that the authorization of the GER
tifcates of Indebtedness be made
$500 900 instead of S300,000,000.
The recommendation for increases
is based on revised Treasury estimates
submitted to Congress since the bill
passed the House, placing the Federal
governments expenditures for the fs-
cal year 1918 at 81 ,400000,000. The
committee estimates that to meet this
total and provide a working balance
the amount which must be raised by
bonds and new revenue legislation is
S433, 100000. This the committee pro-
poses TO raise as follows:
BY bond issues-For expenditures
on account of the Mexican situation
to June 80, 1917, $162,41S,00o; for con-
struction of the Alaskan railway to
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-02-14
In Menoriam

ELLIOTT-In loving memory OF Robert y
Elliott, who died February %. 1885. .
CREIPF-In loving memory Of my dear
father, Samuel b. Greid. who passed away
February 10. 1905. =
REYMAN-Tn loving memory Of our believes
husband and father. Eugene Reymsn. VIE
passed away February IL. 1916
WILLIAMS-In memorT OF Mrs. MARY u
Williams. for many years director OF homs
economies OF the Public Schools Of New
York City, who passed away February IL
1915. Her teachers wish 70 record their
appreciation Of her friendly interest 10
them. her unfailing enthusiasm In the az
tension Of her work. and her wifsprsaH
influence for the betterment OF the nome
There will be memorial msn
IN the Lady Chapel Of St Pstneks
Cathedral on Saturday. February IL. a. ~
o'clock. for Mrs. Mary +. Williams. la'e
director of home economics Her fsaene"
are invited TO be present
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-02-14
MARRIAGES

ALEXANDER MIGEL-on Monday, Febru-
airy Il. 1917, at Hotel st. Regis. ANITA
daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Saul L. Nigel, 70
Mr.. Lester James Alexander.
sYMONDs -CANTRELL-On Saturday, feo-
ruary 10. 1917, at the Chapel Of the Inter
cession. Trinity Parish. by the Rev. Milo
II. Gates. vicar. Mabel josephine, daughter
Of Mr.. and Mrs A. r. Cantrell, and Al
fred Guernsey Symonds.
WOOTTON-IRYING- Anna Irving
daughter OF Mr.. and Mrs. Walter NJ
Irving. to Philip II. Wootton. OF Boonton'
n. j.. and Toxic, Japan. Monday feoru-
ary II. at her home ~ St Nicholas av'
nv the Rev w. II. Woolverton.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-02-14
IN MEMORIAM

LT1f,gtG Rphpr II = KeyNlans EuKSuo
CreiF samuel 3. Williams, Mary =.
ALBERTsON-M William D., 1873 Lefferts
av Brooklyn. February 10, 1917. Funeral
10 be held from Sumner Avenue bapus'
Church. Rev. II. W. Troy.
BEEBE-At Rochester. n. " on SUNDAY
February IL, 1917. after short Illness Oh
pneumonia, Frederick Edgar Beebe' IN ms
S6th year, only son Of waiter H. ana 'ne
late Louisa Booth Edgar. lnterment IN
Woodawn Cemetery at convenience OF tne
family.
BIEDENwEG-on February ~ at her resi-
dence, 7sS Amsterdam ay.' Marguerite oe-
loved wife Of Carl BiedenweS' requiem
-,as. NJ Church of the Holy Name, goth ST.
and Amsterdam av., on Thursday' reoru-
arv Is. at $50 a. m. Interment Calvary. %
BLAUVELT-Ded February 49, at MS iate
residence. So Magic ST., Elizabeth. n. ..
Archibald Stewart Taylor BiauVelt' Aseu
80 years.
BOCK-John, 81 Ten Eyck ST.. Brooklyn on
February Q. 1917. aged 70. Funeral az SI
Johns Lutheran Church, Rev. A. J. Boyer
BRACKEN-On February ii, Ellen NOLAN
beloved wife Of the late Richard braeHen
ard loving mother OF John, Richard and
Eleanor braGhcus AiAo. " A-'A-.'-
Mrs. Edward ]. Finn and Mrs. Fred
schlaefer. Funeral from her late residence
227 West 18th ST.. thence 70 Church OF 81
Francis Xavier. Wednesday. February H.
At 10 a. m. Intermsnt Calvary.
RROPHY-on Sunday. February II, 1917 at
her home, 22l3 sth av, Catherine Brophy
NEE Connolly. beloved wife Of Edward j.
Brophy. in her 4ith year. Funeral from
her late residence on Wednesday. February
"A. at 10 a m; thence TO Church OF ST.
Thomas the Apostle, ilsth St lnterment
Calvary.
RIrRBAGE-Henry j., beloved brother OF
Nellie and Richard J. Burbage and the
late Mn. Mamie Ford. Funeral from his
sisters residence. 165 East 18th ST..
wednesday morning at 9 80 o'clock thence
10 St Agnes Church. lnterment Cal
vary.
cARNEY-on February 10. Mary Carney.
daughter Of james and Mary Carney. OF
Bohola, County Mayo, Ireland. Funeral
from 3Oi West l26th st.. Wednesday. ,
a. m. thence to St Aloysius's Church, 200
West f32d at. $50. Interment Calvary. :
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-02-14
PLAN TO GUARD RAILROADS
Secret Service Men and Companies Con-
fer on Action in Event of War

Chicago. Feb. 13.-Railroad officials
end government Secret Service agents
.onferred here to-day on plans for pro
,.eting railroad property throughout
ne country in the event of war The
conference was held at the Offices of
Hinton G. Clabaugh. chief Of the local
government bureau of investigation.
n was announced that private detec-
live agencies employed by the railroads
would cooperate with Federal officers
in guarding terminals. particularly at
strategic POINTS, in handling military
supplies, in protecting government
nroperty at arsenals and forts and in
ne patrol Of main lines from end to
end
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-02-14
HENRY S. DE FOREST

Amsterdam, NJ Y, Feb. 13.-H4nry $.
De Forest, of Schenectady, who was
elected TO Congress from the Albany
Schenectady district in 1908, died to
dav in Schenectady following an illness
of few days. Mr. De Forest was the
candidate for Representative
from the 30th District in the last cleo
ton, but was defeated by Mayor George
r. Lunn of Schenectady.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-02-14
CHARLES NJ. WATERBURY

Charles Mason Waterbury, sixty
three years old, died yesterday from
acute Indigestion at the residence Of
his niece, Mrs. Guy T. Whitney. so
Adams Street, Mount Vernon. He was
for many years a member Of the firm
of Waterbury & Riley, decorators, Of
this city. He recent retired.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-02-14
$50, oOO,O6O Pension Bill Passed

Washington, Feb. 13.-The annual
pension appropriation bill carrying
$3.50 900, O6O, was passed by the House
to-day in fifteen minutes.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-02-14
BIRTHS

FOLINsBEE-To Mr.. and Mrs. John Fulton
Folinsbee (nee Ruth s. Baldwin,. dausn-
ter Elizabeth. in Brooklyn Hospital, Feb
ruary II, 1917.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-02-14
MARRIAGE POSTPONED

NORTON -SCULLf-
Mis, CIementine Garrison Rees an
nounces the postponement Of the marriage
Of her niece. Miss Virginia Rees Seully'
20 Mr. Chester Hinman Norton. owing 10
the illness Of Miss Scully.
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DEATHS

Au,or,son Mrs. w. d. Knezek. Marie
Beebe, Frederick z. Leeie' mares ..
Biedenweg, Marguerite Lynch humphrey
Blauvelt. A. 5. 7. Mco army Ha','''"
nj Inn McDermott, John
r,,,.L.9,o Henry H. McGovern. Matthew
Bracken. Ellen n. Meyer Nose
p-o,bv Catherine Meyer, Roschen
Ca,ron Gurus X. Morse, Frances E. T.
Carney, Mary Mulhch' Jon"
Church, John A. Nestel' John d
CIavton Estplle Noyes. Helen A.
Demmert. Margaret +. Peters George
n,,vsr William Philip, Louis b.
Dyer. Katharine {. PhllippL u r.
Ferris. William Power, Patrick
Foley Cornelius Riordan, joseph
Freitag. Pauline Schmidt Anna M.
Fuchs. George Scudder, Hayward
Gilbride, Catherine Shannon. Della
Garden. Peter Stafford. De Witt
Greenwaid Charles NJ. Stewart. james, ir'
Gregory, John l.. Stimson, huniee H.
Harris, Alfred Swenson. Maria j.
Hauft. John Themes. George T..
Hertzel, Rosa Thom pson, James NJ.
Hicks, John II. Tompkins, c. +. X.
Hogan, Thomas W. Treloar, John
Hughes. James T. Trenkmann. W.
Hull. David A. Walsh. Florence
Hymes. Lena Walker. Thomas c.
Ide George r. Wasch. Louis
Ives. S. Anna Wei, Leopold
Keller, Caroline WE'LL Ms. Leopold
Kirk, Robert wiener hahhah r.