The Ordway new era., 1917-11-16


Q.Mr. Myers, when you take an
aIicie INTO pawn or buy 1t are you re-
qulrea 10 notify the police depart
Ment! Al am required to furnish
Inat information. (He tells about
filling out this sheet.
Cross ss-examination:
Q.-Mr. Myers have Won had con-
siderable experience in firearms9
A.-Since 1898.
Q.-I ask you II you know whether
or not the manufacturer of firearms
ever makes two guns of the same
Kind with the same number? Al
never knew of it.
Further cross-examination did NOT
bring out anything different from the
district attorneys examination.
Mr.. Arnold, in the employ of Mr..
! Myers, is next called. He is the man
VINO made out the records in the
transaction of the gun under uues
ton. He was asked and gave answers
70 questions similar to those asked
Mr.. Myers.
Q.-Do you remember the gun?
A.-Yes.
Q.-Do you remember having sold
1t to him (Yoder)? A.-Yes.
Q.-Is that the entry Just as you
made 1t at the time? A.-Yes. ex-
cept for mark mace by the chief of
detectives.
O.-Did you examine the gun? A.
Yes.
O--Was that the same gun? A
Yes: could tell 1t had the same
number.
Q.-Were there any other marks
on the gun? A.-No sir.
Q.-When was it the chief Of de-
tectives brought the gun in for ex-
animation? About six months
ago with another gentleman.
O.-Have you anv indenendent
recollection in reference to the sale
of the gun? A.-This is the only
wav can go by, the books.
Q.-Suppose the books were lost
and you had never seen the books
could you have any recollection of it
now? A.-Yes sir.
Q.-Have you ever worked in a
grn factory? A.-No.
Q.-Have you ever manufactured
guns yourself? A.-No sir.
Q-Then your information is
based on the fact that you have never
seen two guns of the same make and
number? A.-Yes.
John w. Roland is the next wit
ness. He is the chief of detectives
of Colorado Springs.
Q.-Do you recollect having taken
a gun to Mr. Arnold and showing it
to him. A.-No. do not recollect
taking a gun, 1T foing there and
looking at one.
Q.-You heard the testimony of
Arnold. Did you ever see that gun?
Al examined it.
Q.-When did you examine 1t? A.
i do not know exactly.
Q.-How did the gun come to your
possession? A.-Thru the sheriff OF
this county.
Here Roland describes the gun.
O.-Did you examine the record OF
MYERS with reference to finding out
IL 1t had been sold by Myers? A
y'he first records 1 examined were my
own records. (Here he produces his
records. He tells all about the rec
ords and the information he origin
ally received from Myers.)
Q.-Has that record been con-
stantly in possession of the ponce oe-
partment since? A.-Absoluteiy:
Here the district attorney tells
what is on this sheet, which Is copy
of the Myers receipt.
Q.-Are there any other recoros'
A.-Yes. .uo ,ouo
A a record from M. K. Myers,
Jmne 10. 1915. Here he states that
this record shows that the gun had
been pawned previously and had been
sold outright to M. X. Myers by j.
H. Mcmahon.
O-Is that report in the same con-
dition as when you received 1t? A.
Yes.
Won handled firearms? A.-About
nineteen or twenty years.
O.-Are you familiar with manu-
factueers as to whether they ever
make two guns of the same numper
A Il have never known them 10
do so. .u,,. r.
He stated that no change had been
made in the records except Tor
small check mark.
Roland was not cross-examlnea.
r. H. Mcmahon of Colorado
springs, the man who had pawnea
the gun in question, was next called
to the stand. .har ~
not you ever had in your possessionn, y,
"A Colts 1920 blue barrel! Az
was not my gun. but my brotners.
Q.-Who is your brother! A.
Charles Mcmahon. ~.
O.-Where did he get II! :.
He brought 1t from Kansas anu y
was IN our room at the Plaza notel'
Colorado Springs. ~, X
Q,-What did you 90 WIN " -
II took It to Myers pawnsnop anu
pawned It.. - h.,a,
A.-Just this one. -,
4 a no whom did you pawn II!
II think Il was Goldberg.