Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1917-10-10
Mr.. Gordon. May I ask a question:
The Court You may.

O. state yCIr conversation with Mulhau
IN the County prison. 4. 1 saw Ioseph
Mulhall and ! Informed him that l had
learned that he had some Attenuation he
wanted to divulge pertaining to the Fiftb
Ward case, and he said that he had
SAID, We'll, whatever you have to tell. tell
me In the presence of the superintendent Of
the prison. He said that he freuuented a
saloon at Sixteenth and Falrmount ave.
nue., conducted and owned by a man named
Craig. and he said that In the latter mart
OF June or in the early part OF July ne
met man In the saloon by the name ~
Clark. referring to--l said, Jim Clark ?"
and he said, Yes that's the man" Il
sa'd How do you know II Is the MANI"
He said, 81 saw him in the court coll roop,
when he was up In court" I said "ynr
are sure he is the mann" He said. "I am
sure of It," | said, well, what trans.
pired?'
Ia the latter part Of June or the early
part OF July. he said that Clark cam. In
there. and while he was there Win two
other men, Clark approached then, and
suEEested 20 them that they couId ret
httle money, easy money, In the FIftb ward
on election day. lie wanted to naLe ar
ranEements and he said that he though,
mere had been something said about n
thousand dollars.
l questioned him again as to the identity
of Clark and he felt sure tnat the tns,
mentioned in the case at the present time
going on and the man he saw in June was
one and the same man. So ! bid him good
night.
Q, Didn't you interrogate him? A. No.
let him go on and tell his story.
q. Didn't you ask him whether Il was
a man named Maloney that had seen him
or was spoken of in the case? A. NAV
have mentioned that name He said that
Clark had said that there is a man who
would protect them II they would 20
down in the Fifth Ward and that he had
| been formerly a leader, and that Clark was
| working for him
9. Did YOU suggest Maloney? A. am
! not so sure about that.
q. When he mentioned the thousand dol
| lars, did YOU ask him anything further
| about that? \. | did not
| O. The man is still under indictment
| A. Yes.
| y, Charged with what? A. He is
| charged with assault aud battery, assault
| and battery with intent to kill
q. Anything else" A. Charged with
| robbery. lie is wanted in Philadelphia on
| those three indictments, and he is also
wanted in Camden for holding and sticking
| up a gambling house,
@. Highway robbery? y. Highway
/ robbery.
c. Did you tell Director OF Safety vii.
! son that you were going down to see him
! A. I didn't say that ! was going down tc
see him. said that said this, that
| was trying to locate a man by the name OF
| Mulhall: w',other could get to see him
! or not ! didiS know, but said that had
! Information that he might know something
| about this case.
Q. what did Wilson say? A. He saiC
not to stop at anything. not TO spare any
| expense, and TO probe this ease to tn,
bitter end and to apprehend every on,
was connected with the case.
| Q. When you got this information did yol
| hriY ha tp ba pf
| Safety? A. No, sir, did not l have no
talked about the case since.
.. Did you. the next day, bring this mat
to your office? A. ] did, the next night
Q. How did you get him? A. 7 went L
| the clerk OF the court, Mr. Flaherty, and
sa id, | told Mr.. Flaherty and Mr. Nowacl
| that there was a man in the prison by th
| name of Joseph Mulhall alias Murphy o
| Joseph Murphy alias Mulhall, and that
| wanted to interview him about the case ant
! ! would like to have him brought to IN.
! office and asked their permission to brinI
| him up. and they issued a discharge for m
| to bring him to room 625. which is our cell
room and TO return him to court when
| would be through with him.
| q. Now let me pause a moment. Io
| knew he was under Indictment? 4. | ala.
O. You knew he had counsel? A. ] did
he told me so.
c. Nevertheless you went down there on
| night and talked to that untried man l
the manner you have stated; that is so
A. 7 did
c. Did you tell his counsel? A. did no
q. And you brought him up the next IA
TO your office. this untrled man? A. dlu'
| q. Tell me what occurred in your onlc'
A. | brought him up to the office about
S:15 In the early part Of the evening
sent for Mr. Craig, the man whom ne ia
mentioned that was the owner anu pr
| prietor of the saloon where this conNersdllu
1 hrpt tgi1t
| Office and confronted Mr.. Craig with Mu
hall, and | asked Mr. Craig II any sue
| conyers ition transpred. He said he dlun
know Mulhall. he couldn't recollect Oh ens
seeing Mulhall in his place and he couioIa
| recollect OF such conversation taNihs Pi"~
and that he did not know Clark
| O. Then you let Mr.. Craig go A.
did
| O. Then did you resume your conNerss
tion with Mulhall? A. | did not Muina
and Craig talked while | was present Mu
hall said well, have been in your place,
He said. That may be, but great ma !
people come in my place that 40 III
know" ~, ,,,u,ou
O. Did YOU talk further with Mulhall
A l did not / returned him to the ce
room and the next morning ye
morning, ] returned him TO court Wl'nou ~
saying another ward to him about thls cas- S
! q Did YOU make report 10 any oou
Ot
have not, 49, i;
, @. Altogether how many detectives al
YOU send into the Fifth Ward on MonuS: at.
? Tuesday and Wednesday, the latter peln
election day? A, Monday ulan DC"
any officers down there. On Tuesoay
sent, ! think, eleven men W..
O. How many on Wednesday? A. "e'
{ nesday, I think. / had forty-three.
@. How many prisoners did they orir
back? A, There were not any prisoner
D | brought TO CITY Hall. II there were
]. rests they made the arrests in the Th'l
district. -, .,
D @. Don't you know they made no
rests? A don't know that personally.
@. Do you know OF any arrests tnt ni
| made? A. Well, personally 1 kho" TN
i that there were some arrests made, but
( they were arrested they were not nrous
e before me-
The Court: Q. Were any reports MAJ
h TO YOU of the arrests made by the detectlv
sent down there? Don't they make o