Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1917-10-04

partment. when Judge Betler was the Dl-
rector OF Public Safety
know. that I know that he has so
trimmed his sails and lived his official lht
that he has been enabled to keep his job
under every administration from Ashbridge
and Reyburn down to the present. Probably
he has a good personal character. But the
fact that he has retained that position dur
ing all those administrations does not indi-
cate his official character. quite the re-
verse. DO you object to the question?
Mr.. Beitler. understood his Honor ruled
on IT,
Mr.. Scarlet. It was already ruled before
you spoke at all.
MIR. Gordon. A voice from Danville. What
do you say about it? You represent the
Mayor.
The Court l overruled the objection of
Mr.. Connor.
BY Mr.. Gordon-Q. Did you not say
will resume reading the answers--YSo far
as you are personally concerned l might
| express my opinion privately. but not pub
| licy IL were the chief Of police whether
| II might be the Director or the Mayor or
| the Superintendent, ! would not have toll
| Grated IT, why? Because of the fact that
men were brought into their district there.
What was II they did? The statements of
the people who made the complaints show
| they beat them, They cuffed them and
| they arrested them Illegally. While side
| was beaten? The Deutsch people were the
| people who were beating the Carey people.
| according to the statements | guess your
| opinion Is the same as mine" District At
| torney: IAN the evidence you heard tell of
| points to the same thing?" Yes, sir"
| Did you make any written report to the
| Mayor outside of the reports the men made
| to your" mo. | just turned the reports
over to him" without comments OF your
| own?" 81 made no comments" Is that
| correct transcript of what you said? a. Not
| all nf iNnt npN talEn "a nf
that, Where he asked me conhdentially for
| my opinion It was not taken by the stenog-
| rapher, and | told him that my opinion
didn't amount to row of pins, and /
| Q. Mr.. Souder. were those questions
asked you and did you answer them thus?
| A. Those questions. md they were asked me
| by Mr.. Rotan and Mr. Gordon and Mr.
| Taulane. All three of them were talking
| there together at times, and they asked for
| my opinion, and told them II didn't amount
to a row Of pins, and they said they thought
| II did and they were not taken by the
stenographer. The stenographer stopped
| her spencl when they asked me those per-
| sonal questions
Q. Now, Mr.. Souder. | ask you whether
| you were asked those questions n.
There. are many questions there that
| didn't answer.
Q. Listen to me, Mr.. Souder. Were you
| asked those questions which / have read,
and did you answer them as | have read?
| A. My private opinion of II was that the
statements that | had from the people
| indicated that they were beaten down there,
and If that were true that I would not
tolerate IT whether | was the Director OF
| the Mayor or any one else. The statements
were turned over, and | think the District
| Attorney has them
G. Were all the questions which l nave
read to you asked of you and did you an
J swer them as l have read them? ~ No
| doubt there were those questions and many
! others asked me.
@. And answered? A. I answered them
| as truly as | could.
@. Did you answer them as | have read
! them? A. The statement there, whether in
| full, because that was not taken in detail
data by the nographer-whateVer is
there in the last statement is taken from
memory, and whether that is all there or
not | don't know
Q. DO you say that this was taken from
memory? A Part of it.
O. You swear that, do you? A. Yes. be-
cause the stenOgrapher didn't take 1t: be-
cause l was speaking in her presence and
she didn't do any writing when the ques-
tions was asked rs to my opinion, because
| | refused to give it only as a personal mat
ter to Mr. Rotan.
REFUSES PRIVATE OPINION
Q. am reading from the stenographer's
| notes. A. Not that part of il was taken.
because I asked Mr.. Rotan to stop the
stenographer. and he did He told her not
| to put 1t down.
O. Do you mean to say that you told
| something that you didn't want taken down
| stenographically? A. | wouldn't give II in
public. He asked me for my private opin-
ion, and l absolutely wouldn't give it for
| publication.
O. You said it anyhow? A. I don't know
whether l just put it in those words or not,