New-York tribune., 1917-12-21
interviewer Told London
Mail" Writer Details Of
Killed" Interview
Emperor "Raved,
Pounding Ships Rail-
81 Could Hardly Believe My
Own Ears" Clergyman
Correspondent Said
By Arthur S. Draper

LONDON. Dec. 20-The first person
10 whom the Rev. William Bayard Hale,
D. D.. the American journalist. gave an
inkling OF the sensational interview he
obtained from the German Emperor in
the summer Of 1908 was Frederick W.
Vile, then Berlin correspondent on
"The London Daily Mail" and for many
years representative OF American news
papers abroad
Writing in the DAILY Mail" to-day
Mr.. Vile confirms the extraordinary
story told in The Tribune Of the
kaiscr's suppressed interview. in which
he predicted the world war, and sup
plies additional details.
On July 25. 1908, DR.. Hale burst into
Mr.. Wile's Office in Berlin. worn from
travel, and calculated excitedly: "Wile.
I have heard things from the Kaiser
which, II I dared publish them. would
cause war between England and Ger
many inside of hoursi"
Here Is the Story
Vile tells the story in the following
words:
"Early in June. 1908. ! received
call in the Berlin Office Of the Daily
Nail from DR.. William Bayard Hale,
who at that time was literary editor
Of The New York Times lie had
come TO Germany as a special CORE
spondent. ! had represented the Daily
Mail in Berlin for two years and had
been correspondent Of several Ameri-
can newspapers four or FIVE years be-
fore.
HALE. on arriving in Berlin. found
that the Emperor had just left in the
Hohenzollern or his annual yachting
cruise to, the Norwegian fords. He
found. however, that he could profita-
blv employ his time in Berlin by IN
vokinc the GOOD Offices of two Prusslan
dignitaries whom he had met at the
dedication OF the Carnegie Institute IN
Pittsburgh - General Won Lowenfeld,
commander Of a Prussian guard corps.
and Privy Councillor Won lime, court
architect.
Both these men we're cronles or the
Kaiser. Lowenfeld was not factor IN
the war party. being what is known IN
Berlin as salon general
After a few days delay it was ar
ranged through Lowenfeld and lime
that Hale should proceed to Norway
for an interview with the Emperor.
The interview was granted on the even
ing Of July i9.
Hale Summarized Interview
"Six days later Hale returned from
Norway and gave me the first mixing
of the sensational utterances OF the
war lord. To the best of my recollec-
,ion. he told me this story.
"'The talk at dinner in the imperial
Yacht was more or less perfunctory
Tho Kaiser explained to me that we
sbould have a real chat on deck after
dinner. So il was. ] walked up and
down with him for the better part OF
two hours-that is, we were walking
ali the time except in those moments
when tho Emperor would stop all of a
sudden TO hammer in some point by
standing at the rail and pounding II
with his fist.
"'At times could hardly believe my
own cars. The man now and then
would rave. When he talked about
England he was simply ferocious. lie
snapped out castigation after castlga-
tion on his perfidious cousins ges-
ticulating wildly and deriving fresh en-
.ercv from his incessant outbursts and
from the cigarettes he smoked continu-
ously. lighting one from another.
"1 have not the slightest doubt that
II dared publish what the Kaiser told
me there would be war between Ger
many and England tomorrow morning.
Rayed Against japanese
"'The newly formed Anglo-Japanese
alliance seemed to be particularly on
the Kaiser's nerves. He said England
had sold the white race by joining
lands politically with the yellow mas
ters Of the East. lie harped fercely
on the yellow peril and assured me that
il was up to America and Germany be-
tween them to shield the white civili-
ration.
THE Kaiser declared that Germany
would not be found unresdy for a clash
with Britain and that the latter would
get many surprises. For one thing, he
said, Germany had very comprehensive
ly organized sedition in India and there
would be an uprising there which would
wrest that priceless jewel from Britain
MAS diadem.'
"lf my recollection serves me cor