Tulsa daily world. [volume] (Tulsa, Indian Territory [Okla.]) 1905-1919, 1917-01-09

Representative Chiperlield asked
Secretary Lansing about his two state
ments explaining the note after II had
been made public.
Were these statements made en-
tircly on your own initiative asked
Mr.. Chiperfeld.
See here" Secretary Lansing de-
clarod with emphasis, that is way be-
yong the scope of this investigation"
Democrats Of the committee oh
ieCtcd that such "A line of quest tiOning
was improper and the chair ruled that
the secretary need not answer.
Then Came Lawson.
Resuming his testimony Mr.. Lansing
said he aid not know If representatives
Of wall street papers were present at
the conference Of the newspaper men
and he did not know their duties.
Thomas W. LAWSON, the last witness,
followed Mr. Lansing Mr.. Lawson
asked II he were to be stopped at any
point In his talk. Mr.. Henry said that
would depend entirely on whether he
confined himself to the subject before
the committee.
My name ~ Thomas w. Lawson"
he said My home is Boston. My
occupation, you might say, Is that of
a farmer"
The crowd burst into n roar Of
laughter and Lawson FASTENED to eX-
plain.
Lawson flew into a rage after he
had proceeded for hair an hour when
Interrupted 10y Representative Clipper
iheld. He declared he proposed to
ray all he had to say regardless OF
consequences.
what's the penalty" he shouted.
And III take IL in advance"
The committee room was in an up.
roar ana Representative Henry
threatened to clear IL and hold the
proceedings in executive session.
won't BE BulIdohcd.
Lawson loudly declared he, as an
American citizen, would see to it that
he got his rights. Jerry South clerk
Of the house, pulled Mr.. Lawson back
into his chair until order could be
restored.
Chairman Henry raped for order
and Lawson ruared. Il don't pro-
pose to be buldozed and | will not
N intimidated"
Finally, after more wrangling. by
an unanimous vote of the committee,
Inwson's heated speech was stricken
from the record Adjournment was
taken for lunch.
Call Sabin.
At the opening of the afternoon. ses.
sion Mr.. Lawson suggested that
Charles ". Sabin, president Of the
Guaranty Trust company. he examined
about his prediction that Ambassador
Gerard vas bringing home Germany's
peace terms and about C-53 raid.
''lt was generally accepted in the
district" SAID Mr.. Lawson, "that Mr..
Sabin had some lnowledg from Wash
ington. | am not prepared to say
whether it was about the C-boat or
peace. As it turned out. 1t seemed 20
have been more C-boat than peace
Another sort of "A leak" he con
tinued, "is when some executive Off
Ger If the government. some cabinet
official or member of the senate or
house. may be interested I'm stocks or
bonds-thcy are all human, like the
rest Of us-aCqulring Information that
viii affect the market, passes the in
formation on to his friends
Accuses Officials.
Describing it first as a suppositious
case. but later saying 1t had been told
him as fact. Lawson pictured q
United States senator, cabinet officer
and New York banker having a Joint
stock gambling account and divided
the profits among thcmselVes. lie de
clined 20 give names because he did
not know them Of his own knowled""
y
knowledse?" asked Representative
Garrett. 81 don: want to ask you for
hcarsay.'
Il appreciate your attitude" an
swcred Lawson, land meet 1t by say
ing that | might explode many sensa-
tions if desired. | don't think this
has reached the stage for giving
names. II is not within my personal
knowledge"
Did the person who told you claim
to have personal knoWledgeN'
"No. but | corroborated IL later,
ard had "a reputable banker, a friend
OF mine and friend of the banker. go
to see this banker. He mentioned this
matter and said. What do you know
about it, lie said the banker told
him that he not only had this account |
but others. and that he had this cab !
met member under such absolute con-
troll that ne could bring the cabinet
member from Washington to New
York or TO the telephone at any timo |
OF the day or night. and he Offered
then and there to call him up on the |
telephone to demonstrate It. Now ! |
am sorry TO have gone that far
QuiLzcd.
"Who told YOU that and who was
the member of the cabinet?' de- |
manded Representative Campbell.
81 am not going to answer said |
Lawson detorminedly.
Representative Campbell declared |
that the committee had the power To
him to answer.