New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1917-01-17

with YOU. uidcy stch unusual oi'cHm
stances. and ptt seut;Hc q letter ofihS
ina the cravest sort OF charge afalh.,
Secretary TumUlty. don't you ihink ~
was really up to YOU 10 acqusin' M';
Tumultv with that fact immcdlsiclE D.
I ask YOU that as man 90 man.
ar. lawson Yes. | think | vi an
swcr that question fully. I think one
of the things which The lady said 20
me was. when ! brought up that very
question, - have tried repeatedly 10
get 10 MIR. Tumulty tonight THINK
Tonight" she said, OF that day-"to
give him these things before ] went
any further after writing that letter
and Mr.. Tumuty sail, You will have
90 give me what you have TO give me
over the telephone. and then he cursed
me out in way that ! will not stand
from any man
/ said. as that so ~ And so, IL !
had had the slightest suspicion that
this would become public or that this
committee would have made me pro
ducc that letter at this time, | should
have gone out Of my way to try TO talk
with Mr.. Tumulty. think.
81 was in rather a peculiar position
10 60 20 Tumulty, but tried in great
many ways 20 get to Mr.. Price, so tn
! might tell him-that | might ask him
about it-but the replies that ! got
rather made me let IL hang along until.
the first thing knew, you had IL from
me here ] repeat. Mr. Pou. ! did not
have any idea of the things happening
that happened here-that brought that
letter.
Would Have Gone to Them
"If there was any way that ! could
have gotten away from it, | think
would have gone through the humilia-
tion Of going to Price, but | do not
think. perhaps. ! would have gone TO
Tumulty, because with my relations
with this whole thing, | do not think |
could have gotten the courage up, but
! would have liked TO have gone 10 Mr..
Tumulty, and I would not repeat
again would not have had it come
out in public. That is why | pleaded
with the committee.
AT the same time, | had TO treat it
fairly. | owed something to the lady
| owed a lot to this committee and to
Congress and TO the public. And could
not be going around with a document
of that sort in my pocket without hav-
ing it treated in some light way; but
] would have done most anything rather
than to have had either Mr.. Tumulty or
Mr.. Price-and do not know either of
them up 10 this minute would have
done all IN my power TO buy it. but
the committing of crime, which, your
committee must admit, would have been
a crime, if | deliberately destroyed that
letter under the circumstances.
"The lady might have come the next
day with her counsel and said, oh
what 2 cock and bull story! That was
not what was in the letter, and you
know il was not
Caught with Letter
what could | do with il? | did
something that / seldom do, put il in
an envelope and kept it in my pocket
! looked upon IL as something that |
must guard carefully for my own in
terests, and then ! was Mortified TO find
myself with it in my pocket when you
asked me the question, and your chair
man said. If you have any more infor-
tIon| You saw me dodge IL three o.
four times, and and record will show
You said, If you have any more infor-
nation produce it, and had it in my
pocket"
Challenges Chairman
When lawson went on the stand in
the morning he spent some time de-
failing the conversations in which he
told friends Of his conferences with
Chairman Henry. Only once did the
situation become dramatic, when he
turned 70 the committee and said:
Either your chairman is guilty of
perjury or | am. Unless your chair
man said what say he said am guilty
Of foul perjury" Lawson dramatically
declared to the committee. Pm guilty
of foul perjury and unfit to be any
where outside the bars of a prison.
When there is a direct difference OF
opinion - stronger than veracity -
raised it is perfectly obvious that one
or the other of US Is committing per-
jury-deliberate. rank perjury"
Lawson resumed his narrative Of his
meeting with Henry. reiteratng that
the chairman had told him the leak"
was too serious for an investigation at
this time, but that he favored a gen
eral inquiry later into the stock mar
ket.
Lawson said he Endorsed that. and
revealed to Henry that he had much 10
do with the money trust inquiry,
though Henry, member Of the com
mittee, was unaware of IL.
81 told him." Lawson said that |
dug up much of the information. I'm
termyer went 10 Europe while / did IT,
/ personally paid the bills OF the eX-
perts, upward Of $4,000, and asked for
no glory except to appear as a witness
"'Here is a chance told Henry, TO
duplicate that. IL is the greatest thing
that can be done for the American peo-
Pile"
"Go to Wall Street and set up shop"
was the advice Lawson said he gave
Henry. There, he said, all of the Stock
Exchange members could be summoned
with their books and clerks and forced
20 reveal the inside of transactions.
Lansing and Baruch
Referring again TO his conference
with Henry mentioning Secretary Lam
sing and Bernard Baruch. Lawson de-
clared that Henry told him the com
mittee had the substance of all Of one
OF Lansing's talks at the Biltmore Hotel
with the New York broker and the sub
stance of part of another.
II said to Henry, Go through il from
A TO H." Lawson testified land be-
fore you are one-third done the lid will
be blown off. Congress will know and
the world will know who the hypocrites
are that are making millions That
was what we talked about IN the three
hours and a quarter | was with him."
Asked how the names of the mon he