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The Washington herald., 1917-12-06
WORKERS union
ASKS MORE PAY
OF UNCLE SAM
Federal Employees Not Salts.
fed with Increases Pro-
posed in Smoot Bill.

Startling figures complied from the
Bureau OF Labor Statistics investiga-
ton on the cost of living in Wash.
ington were issued by the Federal
Employees Union last night in support
OF their movement to secure Increased
wages for government employees.
They show:
THAT the average pay Of govern
ment employ is ss4S per annum.
2-The cost of living per family in
the District for 1916 was S1.0S2.s0.
3-The increase in cost of neces-
sites in 1917 over 1916 is 30 per cent.
"a Cents Day for Food.
Commenting upon this and the fact
that the investigation sought by Con-
gress was for bare necessities, the
statement points out that S4S7 a year
is allotted for food for one family of
hVe persons, or $40 per day Der
family, or "a cents per day per per-
son; sl03 year for clothing for five
people. A statemnt of the basis
OF the minimum possible clothing al
lowance used as a standard with
which to compare the $103 shows the
rtdiculously low standard taken, as
$50 year for a man, distributed as
follows:
Hats......... $25o-Impossible
oNercoat... 3.75-One-fourth Sl5.00-
four-year overcoat
sult.......... l5oo-Supposed to last
year
Shoes. sOo-1 l.? pairs q $50
o and repairs
And woman is supposed to dress
on only $3.50 a year. and Is a mat
Ter or actual fact this Investigation
shows that So per cent of the families
IN the District of Columbia are liv-
ing on salaries and wages that abso-
iuteIy force them to exist on stand
ards lower than that described.
senator Smoot will again champloni
the cause Of the government employees
by pressing, for action, a measure
that will give 20 per cent horizontal
advances to employees below the
u 200 grade, and 10 tper cent. for en-
ployes between H.2OO and $3.50.
This increase is exactly twice what
was granted the clerks for the cur
rent fiscal year. but 1t does not meet
what the Federal Employees Union
believes is an equitable adjustment Of
wages.
More Favor Increase.
Representative Nolan, of Cali
'ornia. father of the S3-a-day mini
mum wage bill for government en-
oloyes. which was on the calendar
Tor passage at the last session and
lot acted upon, Is more firmly than n
ever convinced that his bill is a
ust one and he will press it again
turing the session.
Members OF the Cabinet will aid
n the movement to advance the |
wages OF clerks and the employees |
Except that the publication of the !
'nnual reports will disclose specific |
looking toward |
he relief of the lower salaried en- J
'loyes. Secretary of Commerce f,
tedheld stated yesterday that he |
s in favor of better pay and Secre- |
ary OF Labor Wilson has been a
onsistent advocate of better SAL
.ries for Federal workers. Assis-
ant Secretary of Labor Louis F.
'ost was one of the pioneer adyo-
ates of better wages and will as
ist in the present movement.
In view of the fact that Repre-
entative ]. w. Byrns, of Tennes-
ee. who conducted the successful
ght last year, is chairman of the
in charge of salary
stimates to be considered by the
Ill committee, this may not be nee
ssary.
The Washington herald., 1917-12-06
10 Killed, 40 Injured
In "T. N. T." Explosion

Pittsburgh. Dec. Sat least ten
persons were killed and about forty
injured in an explosion at the HeideI-
berg plant Of the Aetna Explosives
Company. ten miles from here this
afternoon.
The IT. y. T." plant. where high
explosive was manufactured, was
completely destroyed. Buildings in
the immediate vicinity were damaged.
The Washington herald., 1917-12-06
IS AMERICAN
BOYS ON new
CASUALTY LIST
Two Killed and Eleven Are
Injured Battling with
the Germans.

The War Department last night an
nounced the names OF thirteen more
American troopers killed or wounded
, in the trenches.
The list contains the names Of two
dead. seven severely wounded and
four slightly wounded. They we're
! taken under the fire OF the Germans
during their training period in the
| trenches somewhere in France" be-
tween November Il and Il.
Casualty List
The casualties follow:
Corporal Virgil G. wihebrennef,
November L. Andrew J. Weinbren-
ner. father, postofIice. Marion, Ind.
Private Peter WojtslyWeicz, No
vember I6.
Severely wounded:
Private John A. Crole. November
a. Edward Crole, father, Reggie.
Calabria. Italy.
Sergeant Harley l. Hsburne. Mo-
vember Il. F. d. F. Hsburne. father.
GAINESVILLE, Va.
Private Darwin T. Krekle, Novem-
Der Il: J. W. kregIe, father, ST.
James, No.
Private Benjamin II. Love. Novern-
Der Il: Mrs. Ellen Allan. mother.
Brandenburg. ny.
Private Paul Crabtree. November Is:
Mrs. Mary Crabtree. mother lis Mar
ket. Portsmouth, Ohio.
Private Andrew ]. HensIey, NoVem-
Der l5; John HensIey. father. Rss-
berry. Ark.
Private Lester Ricchey. November
10; Mrs. Maude Ricchey, mother, ~
Wilson, Salem, Ohio.
Slightly wounded:
Corporal Guy Pardue. November 1s:
w. r. Pardus, father. Mannon, Ntw
Boston, III.
Private David A. Saunders, Noveua-
Der Is; Frank DuranL friend, 57H FL
lis avenue, Chicago.
Private Marx c. DUfendach, Novem-
Der L: Edward Dufenbach, father, 30
Walnut street, Huntingburg, Ind.
Corporal Harvey o. Hall. Noyem-
Der lS: Oscar E. Hall, father, Savan-
nah, y. Y.
In his report OF the casualties. Gen.
John J. Pershing. commander Of the
American ENpeditionary Forces, gave
no details Of the fighting in which the
Americans were engaged.
Men Were Not Fighting.
II was made plain at the War
Department. however. that these
were not the men who took part
IN the fighting on the Cambria
'front.' These were all infsntrymen.
The Americans who added fresh
glory to the traditions OF the Unit :
ID states army in the Cambria reg
on were members OF a special unit
II railway engineers. They were
not even armed. They were en-
ragged in rushing spur tracks into .
he newly-won territory of the
3ritish when they were caught in
he German counter attack. They
picked up rifes and fought back,
side to side with the Brit
sh, although their enlistment was
is non-com bstants, line Of COM
troops.
May Be Raid Victims.
The men mentioned in yesterdays
list OF casualties were part Of the
orce which has been training in
france and taking. as army officers
all it, a postgraduate course" in
he trenches. They were either the
'ictims of German shell FIRE or
nipers. or Of one Of the numerous
aids which occur nightly along the
ar-fung battle line in Belgium and
'orthern France.
The War Department made n
lain today that casualties such a.
re contained in this list may be
at any time. They are
1orely a foretaste Of the longer
nd longer lists to come when
.merica really takes over a section
{ the French front.
The Washington herald., 1917-12-06
100 Lost on the Apapa.

' London, Dec 6-The German sub
marine which sank the British steam
ship Apapa fred upon IIfebcats con
tanning women and children. accord
ing to reports received here today.
Between seventy and 100 persons
were lost In the ! attack. Some Of
at the boats.
The Washington herald., 1917-12-06
ITALIAN FORCES WTTHER
MONSTER BOCHE ATTACK:
CAMBRIA CRISIS PASSED
Beat Back Onslaughts of Enemy to Drive
Flanking Campaign on Toward Venice;
Supreme Test Near
By FRANK W. GETTY.

sPecIhI thbe
London Dec 5AuroGeman troops today began their second
great offensive Italy with strong maed attacks against Italian
lines on the AagO Plateau. What Rome describes as "fomdaby in
creased forces drove hard against the nOrel of the Italian
front and succeeded in gaining slight advantage
The Washington herald., 1917-12-06
Naval Surgeon |. Suicide.

norfolk, Va, Dec. 5.-Lieut: Com
mander Richard B. Williams, a naval
surgeon. committed suicide last night
In a hotel here after being relieved
from duty for treatment Of his eyes.
The Washington herald., 1917-12-06

The Interstate Commerce Commission spoke yesterday in the a-
6avh biggest bmbshe that has from that body in
Congress- however, will until the President decides and probably
will follow his wishes without question
The Washington herald., 1917-12-06
Ice. URGES GOVERNMENT
COOPERATE RAILROADS:
CONGRESS FIGHT LIKELY
Congress Awaits Word From President, Fol-
lowing Remarkable Report of Investiga-
tors-War Board Opposed.

Whether the railroads of the nation be seized and operated
by the government during the with President Wilson,
CONGRESS AWAITS PRESIDENTS WORD
The Washington herald., 1917-12-06
Handicap. of Roads.

The majority report of the conn
mission says the legal restrictions
were designed in peace times to 'pro-
tect the shipper and not to protect
the nation in time Of war. The polnt
Is made that while the roads are
CONTINUED ON PAGE TWO.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1917-04-10
MACHINERY OF SHIPS
At HOESTON DAMAGED
Inv AssoriatcS pr.,,


HOUSTON. TEN. April e.-Dcputy
United States marshals late this after
noon seized the Austrian steamers
Morowitz and Campania. The captains
and crews of tho seized ships were to
he taken 1" immigration headquarters
on Pelican Island. Galveston.
The machinery OF the Campauia had
apparently been dismantIcd. prior to
seizure. II was said. after a cursory
examination. Captain RakoS. or the
Morowitz. somn time ago took ont his
first citizenship papers. No resistance
was offered.
The Morowitz Is a vessel OF t.s5
tons, and the Campania OF 1851 tons
gross
investigation by government authori-
ties showed that the boilers OF both
ships had hccr disabled. rendering the
ships unit for service without con-
siderable repairs. Under oath. the two
Tcutonic captains. Eakos. OF the
Morowita, and ;ipis. Of the Canpania,
said they had crippled the machinery
on orders, hut would not say from
whom the orders had been received.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1917-04-10
SEVERAL AUSTRIAN SHIPS
IN j. 5. PORTS SEIZED
Action by Federal Authorities Fol.
lows Severance Of Diplo-
matte Relations.
MEN ON BOARD IN CUSTODY
examination Reveals That Engines
on Two Steamers at Houston and
One mt Newport News Are Badly
Wrecked.
MEN ON BOARD IN CUSTODY

WASHINGTON. April e.-Fourteen
Austrian vessels in American ports
We're taken over to-day by the gov
ernment. coincident with the announce
ment that Austria had broken din,o-
matte relations
kilograms to the collectors of Gus
toms at the ports concerned we're sent
personally ny Secretary McAdoo late
last night instructing that the crews
aboard The vessels be removed and
that customs guards be placed in their
stead. The status of the removed crews
VIII he determined by immigration au-
thorities of the Department. of Labor
In formal announcement of the
governments action tonight Secre-
tary McAdoo made il clear that the
government had not contiscated the
vessels. but had acted for the purnose
OF protecting them from further in
jury. From this statement il was
inferred that the ships were damaged
by their crews. as in the case OF the
German vessels taken over by the gov
ernment upon the declaration OF war
with Germany.
The tonnage OF the fourteen vessels
totals approximately 10000 The
largest OF the feet is tho Martha Wash
ington. at New York. Of S,sla tons.
and passenger accomm odations for
ilan persons the smallest is - Anna.
at New Orleans. Of l.515 tons
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1917-04-10
FOLLOWS
LEAD OF GERMANY
Naval Co-Operation With Allies
Discussed by Wilson and Daniels
tHy Associated Press !

.""'irr power honts have been
hrinE nsscmbIcd. Inter. when the
nc" "onst pntroI hoatS recently or
dcrcd arc delivered. it will he nos
-ibic to hEnin extend tho scope OF
tho patrol. inSurInE merchant craft
the most thorough protection pos
'ibie ma they arrive in or depart
fr"n, American ports.
The Nn,y Department hns hecn
showrred with requests from, const
towns and cities for The statIouinE
Of "nr craft In these localities to
protect from pos.ible rnidfnE Mt
tHcks. There In no intention OF
hr"nkinC up the nn,y's strength In
this wny. The patrol md scout
system will soon he snmcient to In
sure >rift mobilization Of fighting
units Mt my threatened points,
should rnidcrs Of my character nm
prOnrh
Numerous bills re1ated to the navy
were Introduced to-day In tho House
"nd senHtc. One proposcs to ratse
the maximum aEe limit for officers
In the naval rcserve from thirty-8ye
Z" nifty ycnrs; another modifc. re-
"trirftons on nationals of nntion. at
peace with the United states, who
wish to enroll In the reserve.
Ono, by Chairman PndEett, OF the
iourc Naval Committee, would nda
another mi6ESipmnn mt the Naval
Academy for cnch member OF Con-
Ercss.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1917-04-10

.sUI>t.TON. April 9.-NmNHl
ro-op~rntion with the entcntc nj
iIcs was tho subject Of n long con-
ference late to-day between Prrsi-
dent wilson mud Secretary Onnicls.
u bcrnmc known afterwards TINT
tho government already is tnki"E
steps 10 nssurc tho fullest measure
OF cn-"pcrattNc operation.
Thc pnrt TO he played by American
warshipS wus not revealed.
Onr element 0f tho plans uU-
doubtrdIy deals with tho question Of
supplies for tho entente govern
mrnts. OniciaIs of the bethlehem
steel Corporation AID other steel
aud ordnance companies were in
conference with Secretary Dnutels
during tho dny In this regard.
An agreement for the npportIon-
mcnt of the facilities of the plnnts
between tho American army and
navy orders md the furrishInS OF
war supplies 10 tho entente nations
WINS reached.
Mr. Dunicls wns also able to out
line TO the Prcsidcnt tho steps that
hnVc hccn taken to establish n sub
mnrinc-tiEht const patrol In the
shortest possible time. Some part
Of the patrol hcet Is already In
operation. Numerous private yachts
mcnt. nnL arc being armed and
equipped for war: others have hccn
purchascd, and InrEc number OF
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1917-04-10
nEllENED TO nE GENERAL.
SPRINt: OFFENSIVE
iB! Associated Press.1

y
LONDON, Nuril a.--Thc British early
this morning alta cl<cd the German lines
or q wide front from point south
OF Nrras TO the south OF Lens. thus
opening what is believed here to be
= general spring offensive.
The move has been looked forward
10 eagerly for some days. The often
sive OF the British nying corps in the
latter part of last week. the attack
on zccbrugge saturday night. and the
activity Of the French in Belgium as
ehown in yesterdays official communi-
cation from Paris. were considered n
prelude 10 important military opera
tions.
The British commander. General
IIaig, whose reports are always modest,
says the German line has been pene-
trated everywhere. and that satisfac-
tory progress was made in the direc-
tion Of Cambrai and St Quentin, two
important positions in connection with
tho ncw German line.
Tho extension OF the attack north
ward TO Lens doubtless was intended
10 give the British more elbow room
for their operations from Arras to the
point OF juncture with the French
around st. quentin.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1917-04-10
BRITISH FORCES
BEGIN OFFENSIVE
ON 15-M|LE LINE:
Fighting Front Extends
From Lens to Village of
Henin-Sur-Cojeul.
HEAVY CASUALTIES
INFLICTED ON GERMANS
Prisoners Running Into Thous-
ands, and Great Quantities of
War Material Captured.
BIG GAINS IN TERRAIN MADE
Intensive Aerial Activity Continues
Between Allies and
Germans.
BIG GAINS IN TERRAIN MADE
rRy Associa,cd Pres,


max aeeminEly is the commence
ment Of big offensive hy tho British
forces IN Franco has begun along -
h'teen-n';ic !:ne extending from Lens
10 tho village OF IIc.in- sur -Cojeul. ly-
ing 10 the southeast Of ArraA. ON the
entire line hiS gains in terrain have
everywhere been made Heavy casual
tes have b."n inflicted on the Ger
mans and in addition prisoners rum
ming into the thousands 5.s1S AL
ready have been counted. and great
quantities Of war material. were cap
,ured.
The operations arc s,il in progress.
The British casualties are declared TO
have been slight.
Probably the greatest gains were
made on ,wcive-milc front from Civ
.nchy- -Gohelie. north OF Arras. to
TENN Co!eul southeast OF Arras.
Here dcfcnses OF all kinds. some Of
them mos, heavily fortified, were
stormed and captured b. the Canadians.
Notable among I'll. positions Ia the
famous Nimy Ridge.
The German line was penetrated to
a depth OF from two to three miles
during Monday. and at nightfall King
Georges men were still pressing for
ward.
ELEMENT or SURrRIsE
PLAYS PROMINENT P.>itr
The element OF surprise evidently
played prominent part IN the british
victory, for along the entire front re-
Gently there had been nothing more
than small encounters and artillery
dueis The thrust OF the British was
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1917-04-10
BRITISH TROOPS PENT"rR ATE
GERMAN LINES on WIDE; FRONT
Try Associated Press. ]

ny Associated Pressl
LONDON. April ?--British troops to-
day penetrated the German lines all
along wide front from Arras TO Lens.
the War Ohicc announces.
The statement says tina, in the di-
rection Of Cambrai the British have
stormed the villages of Hermics and
Boursies. and penetrated Iavrincour:
wood.
In the direction of st. Quentin, the
British took Fresnoy-le- Petit and adj
vanced their lines southeast OF I.e
Verguier. No estimate OF the number
OF Germans captured can yet he given,
tho statement says, but the number is
considerable.
i. Referring to the attack on the front
between Arras and Lens, the state
ment says:
,"we are making satisfactory prog
ress Mt all points"
The statement, which is timed II :25
: y CONTINUED on Second Pagc.)
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1917-04-10
PATRIOTIC DEMONSTRA
CONTINUE TIIROUGiIOIT DAY

Patriotic demonstrations were con-
t'nued throughout the day. hut there
was no disorder. II is understood that
government action only awaits the ar
rival Of the official reports from Paris
and Chcrhourc In official circles no
doubt il expressed that the govern
men, will act decisivcly in accordance
with its warning To Germany when un-
restricted submarine warfare was de-
clarcd. In this connection wording Of
telegram sent by pr. LHuro Muller
February 13 is recalled. The telegram
said; we will consider il essential
To the maintenance of friendly relations
that no brazilian ship br attacked on
the sea under any pretcxt. even that of
carrying contra ahand of war. as tic bel
liScrcnt nations have arbitrarily nut
everything into that category"
An Indication tina, Germany may deny
that the Parana was tho victim Of {,
German submarine is shown i'm state
mcnts appearing III tho nowspapcrs
here. and attributed to German diplo-
matte officials. According to these
statements tho I'arana probably struck
a French or English mine as. it is con-
tended. ii rs improbable that a German
submarine would have been able to
operate So close to Havrc. The German
minister is quoted as asccrtaining that
'hc testimony Of tho commander ~
the larana is open to suspicion because
he is Portuguese
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1917-04-10
ONLY ONE AUSTRIAN
REFUGEE SHIP ~ BOSTON
ssoclatcd Pr.ss.

HoSToN. FApril s.--The Austrian
steamer Erny. war bound here. was
seized to-day by pot officials after an
nounccmcnt from Washington that
Austria Hungary had broken on diplo-
matte relations with the United States.
The Erny is the only Austrian refugee
ship at this port.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1917-04-10
HELD As PRISONERS
on COAST GUARD CUTTER
Try Associated Press.l

TAMFA. FLA. April 9.-Thc Aus
tr'an steamer Rornco, in harbor here
since carly in the war, was seized by
The crcw Of the Coast Guard cutter
Taiiapoosa to-day and guard placed
aboard. Captain Than and his crew
of eiGh, men were held as prisoners
fN the cutter
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1917-04-10
NEWspArEHs DEMAND ENERGETIC
ACTION At ONCE

There is little disposition here to
take these statements seriously, aud
the newspapers continue to demand
energetic action. breach OF diplomatic
relations at the least. Some Of tho
mpers express impaticncc at the slow
ness OF the chanccilory to take action
The GaZeta dc Noticias SAYS:
Thcrc is no. reason To hesitate
Brazil Is at war with Germany. and the
government ought To recognize that
situation. The Brazilian nation should
he represented i'm the tribunal wnicn
will Judge the crimes Of Germany"
, The Jornnl do RraZii demands an i'm.
mediate breach OF relations and the
intrusiing of Brazilian interests i'm Ger.
many to Switzerland The Corrcio dc
Mania says that the timo for diplo-
matte tcmporizings !s past. and that
Continued on Ninth Page)
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1917-04-10
BRAZIL READY To SEVER
RELATIONS WITH GERMANY
Rupture Expected by This Morning
at Latest, Following Receipt of
Report on Parana.
SHIPS TO BE SEIZED AT ONCE
Foreign Minister Muller Refuses to
Receive German Envoy, and Gives
Orders That Steamer BE Made
Ready for Mission Abroad.
SHIPS TO BE SEIZED AT ONCE
IRv A Associated Press l

RIO JANElRO. April An early
rupture Of relations between Brazil
ard Germany is eXpectcd-Gy to-mor-
row morning at the latest. The break
depends solely OIL III" formality OF the
reception of the official report from
Paris on the sinking OF the Erazilian
steamer Parana by a German subma-
rine
The break probably will be FOL.
lowed by the seizure OF German ships
in Brazil
DR.. I.auro Muller Foreign Minister
has refused to receive the German
minister. DR.. Muller then gave urgent
orders that steamer in Rio Janeiro
be ready al once for Il mission abroad
Dr. Muller conferred with the War
Minister and the chief of staff lie also
urgently requested a report from the
Brazilian legation in Paris.
The Estado. OF sac Paulo demands,
that Brazil range /; Ii o" the side Of
the United States for the defense OF
tho rights Of neutral peoples who are
temperamentally opposed 10 action be-
cause they understand nothing OF their
destiny"
The Lakeland evening telegram. (Lakeland, Fla.) 1911-1922, 1917-07-18
Sacv &Practical
komee DreWW dMno
Lecr0nc
|n.red Specially for This Newspaper
By Pictorial Review
Successful Model for a Childs Cos..

A successful use of white cotton
rep Is seen in this little box-plaited
coat, with square yoke and large
square collar. The pockets, too.
strike note Of novelty, having tabs
rolled back and buttoned under the
belt. In medium size the coat re-
quires 31s yards 3s-inch material.
The favorite model for the home
dressmaker is the one which con.
talns as few seams as possible. By
Folding the material in half and plac.
ing the different sections of the nat.
tern upon it as shown in the cutting
guide, the number Of seams will be
reduced to minimum The back,
collar and back yoke are laid on the
lengthwise fold of pique. Opposite
the back are the under section Of the
sleeve and the undertaking. with the
large 20" perforations resting on a
lengthwise thread of the rep. |,
would be a good idea to place the
front at the other end of the mate
rial, with the large 20" perforations
on a lengthwise thread, in order tC
prove for the major sections of the
coat The space in between that car
be devoted to the pocket, front yokes
upper sleeve section and cuff, tn,
large 20 perforations in each o
these being laid on lengthwis'
thread Of repp
Below the yoke the front and bacl
of the coat are laid in box-plaits
which may be held in at the waist
line with narrow belt of self.mate
rial or allowed to hang In straigh
effect.
The Lakeland evening telegram. (Lakeland, Fla.) 1911-1922, 1917-07-18
F. WITHOUT LAMENTATIONS
(By Associated Press.)

amsterdam. July "a writer in
Junker organ Kreuz-Zeitung OF
BIN draws a dismal picture Of the
Sequences to Germany Of a peace
bout increased power and annex
(ns, He says: Seeing that af-
the natural exhaustion of such g
Et war, Germany could not soon
template a fresh struggle, Great
|tan and America would think,
r Scheideman peace, they could
ft Germany as they liked. In 9TH
words an Anglo-American world
fination would be firmly cstab-
ped and Germany itself would be
6arded as a second rate power,
Pat Britain thereby in reality at
ping its war aim.
Belief in unlimited military and
|rilime superiority by Britain and
|rlh America would hencefort}l
inmate the world. But a reaction
fongh an unsatisfactory peace, on
1 internal political life would Dc
worst result. With the first JOY
Inc ending of the war the ques
p would be earnestly asked
al have we really fought for; VIII!