The Oklahoma City times. [volume] (Oklahoma City, Okla.) 1908-1984, 1917-09-10
MINISTER'S HOLD
LIVELY DISCUSSION
over USE OF WINE

(Contnusd from PAoe l)
we must abide by his decision | am
in favor of the enforcement OF all laws,
and the prohibition laws in particular.
The church represent believes there
is no necessity for the introduction OF
wine for sacramen,al purposes, Sweet
wine fuliils all the scriptural require
ments The wine used at the last sup
per very evidently was new wine |
am sure that the Master did not use
icrmentcd wine"
Mr. Aten then invited a discussion Of
the subject by members of the alliance,
After a long pause Rev !. f. Perish
ing pastor Of the Harrison Avenue Con-
gregational church, arose and moved
that the question be argued at length
al a special meeting to be held next
| Monday Ii was finally settled that this
meeting be held at St Luke's Methodist
! church at 10 o'clock iS the morning
County Attorney Selby, Assistant Coun-
ty Attorney Porter Morgan, II. +
Laughbauu, and others interested IN
the subject were invited to attend Mr
Selby and Mr. Morgan were prcsen,
during part OF this mornings meet
ing.
Many Absent
This matter under discussion" said
MIR PerShng "iS OF lar reaching i'm
portance, and think that it is best that
no action be taken with respect to II
until all the ministers OF the city are
present As it iS those here at this
meeting represent less than 10 or 4
percent OF the ministers Of the city.
After Mt Pershing's motion had been
put Mr.. Bate arose He declared that
he approved the idea OF the speciaI
meeting, but that he must differ with
the position taken by the chairman OF
the meeting (Mr Aten)
The use of fcrmcntcd wine for sac.
ramental purposes" said Mr. Rate, in.
wolves the conscience OF the whole ko'
man Catholic and Episcopal church, OF
whom the Baptist, Methodist and al
other denominations are lincal de
ScendantS and with whom the mother
church desires to maintain the mos
tender relations
81 am in favor, too. OF prohibition %
the importation OF Intoxicating bever
ages TO be used as such But when yo,
would prohibit the use OF wine for sac
ramental purposes YOU arc violating tn,
principle OF religious freedom
History Discussed.
Mr. Bate then discussed at considera
bic length the history Of the use OF win
at communion and cited Biblical author
ity to prove tha, fermented wine had al
wavs been used at the ceremony.
When he had finished, Mr.. Laugh
baum arose
81 have drafted all the prohibtio
| laws OF Oklahoma he said in begin
ming, "and the bone dry law is a cop
| of similar law OF West Virginl
i which has been held constitutional b
the supreme court OF the United State
II 81 want to say here that it is n
II opinion that no set OF ministers, alto
' ney generals or county attorneys {
earth can declare the Oklahoma bon
. dry' law unconstitutional prove
I AS a Christian lawyer, ] don't b
lieve that Jesus broke the laws Of h
belief and took wine which 'bitetth III
serpent and stngeih like all adde
II would Prosecute You"
"lf ! were attorney general and
II Christian minister violated the law
importing iermented vine | wou
prosecute YOU.
II Mr.. Laughbaum then declared III
/ when the law permitting the import
i ton OF one gallon oi liquor for pc
sonal use was passed, Judge OF
/ Oklahoma state court approached hi
and inquired why he was trying
legislation to make criminals OF d
cent, law abiding citizens
/ When asked the reason for his stat
mcnt, Mr.. laughbaum said, this jud
told how number Of state oifici'
had been given fine Italian wine
Bishop Theophle Meerschaert OF
| Catholic church
Would you make criminal
| Bishop Meerschaert because he hrir
wine from Italy for his own use p
Judge asked Mr. Laughbaum, accor
| ing to the latter's statement this MOI
ing.
II Tells Of Origin.
II Mr. LauVhbaum, too, delved into
origin OF the use Of vine for the sac
ment. He based his argument upon
point tha, at the time OF the passov
the Israelites were commanded to
fresh blood upon their doorposs.
ut is well known" said Mr.. Lau,
baum. that fermentation does not t;
place until wine begins to decay, to !
Why were not the lsraeliteS commai
ed to put decayed blood upon III
doorposts"
Mr Selby was next introduced
told the alliance that he had come
speak upon matter OF law enior
ment in Oklahoma county, but in
much as they were engaged he wo
prefer TO appear at the next meeti
His request for an audience was gra
- ed
There were tears in tho eyc' of u,
|, Bate when MIR Laughbaum had c