Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1917-10-02

Mr.. Gordon-No not yet
MIR. SCARLETT-He identirec the sig
ture?
Mr.. Gordon--He identified the signature
TsGdOre Stern
IsADoRE STERN. 59G Spruce street,
sworn.
BY Mr.. Gordon-Q Mr. Stern, Mr.. Carey,
by reason of his enfeeblement could not
speak loud. A. No.
O. You suffer with no such iHdispositlon
Keep up your voice. A. Yes,
O. Where do you live? A. 536 Spruce
street
O. That is in the Fifth Ward? A. Yes,
sir.
c. Did you see Mayor Smith and speak
with him in the month of August respecting
matters in the Fifth Ward? A.. l did
O. Where did you see him? A. ! spoke
to the Mayor in Atlantic City on the
Boardwalk, off Morris avenue.
c. About what time? A. II was some
times In the middle of August. ! know that
il was the night preceding the birthday of
one of his children, and he had lot of
packages with him that he said he was
going to give his child the next day for
birthday presents
c. Tell US the conversation you had with
him so far as the Fifth Ward is concerned
A. AS | was walking toward the Ostend
Hotel where / was stopping during the
summer, Mayor Smith and Mrs Smith were
coming to, rd me. / saluted the Mayor
and | sale. Mr. Mayor, can | speak to
you f"E minutes regarding the Fifth
Ward?" I said, Yes" and 1 SAID "Mr
Mayor, I have waited this opportunity to
talk with you for a long time regarding
the Fifth Ward, because of what you are
doing TO Carey, and because It is reported
and rumored that you are going after Carey
on my account" He said, Yes, that Is
right" Immediately after the Legislature
adjourned I'D Ware came to me and said,
You see what Stern did to you about the
Salus bill can l go after Carey now?" And
the Mayor said. Yes, you can 60 after
Carey and my Administration will go
with you and be behind you to the limit"
To which l said, Mr.. Mayor, Carey didn't
know anything about what ! was doing
in the Legislature. Carey never knew any
thing of what I was doing up there and
never gave me an order I'm his life except
once, when you wrote him a letter and re-
quested that / change the phraseology of
the bill known as the House Of Detention
bill" He said, Yes, l wrote such a let
ter" / said, We'll, why don't you talk to
Mr.. Carey this time about this matter?"
He said, We'll, / believe that Carey don't
know anything about it, but you did, and
you went against and helped to defeat
the Salus bill" I said, Mr.. Mayor,
voted for the Salus bill. There are men
in Philadelphia who voted against the
SaTus bill, notably the man from Mr.
Lanes ward: why don't you go after Mr.
Lane?" He said, Well, Mr.. Lane is a tot
tering old man and l don't want to kill
him." and he said, but I am going after
Mr.. Carey"
Q. Is that all the conversation on the
subject? A. | don't recall Judge
.. When did you next see the Mayor
upon the same subject? A. The next time
saw the Mayor was on Saturday night,
l behave, September s. -.
Q. Yes A. ] went around TO his house
to deliver letter from Mr. Carey
O. Is that the letter Ondicating) ?" A.
Yes, that is the letter "a,
G. Mr. Carey gave you that letter? A.
Mr.. Carey gave me that letter.
G. For delivery to the Mayor? A. For
personal delivery TO the Mayor
Q. Tell usywhat occurred? A The Mayor
lived about three blocks from where
lived and l believe ! got there before or
after dinner on Saturday evening Septern
Der 8, The Mayor was not at home when
l got there, but just as ] was leaving, he
came up In an automobile. l said, ''Mr.
Mayor l am glad did not miss you;
got something for YOU" He said What
Is itT' l said, "A letter from Mr.. Carey"
he said, All right, what is In it?' 1 knew
some OF the contents of the letter. 1 told
him few Of the things that were IN the
letter He said, well, will read II and
You come around to my house tomorrow
morning at half-past ten" Sunday morn.
ing Then he said, I'VE will lick Carey
down there I will lick him" | said, ono.
you cannot HEX Carey down there" He
SAID, Yes, | can lick Carey" / said
wei. l will bet you a hat YOU oannof
lick Carey He said. You are on. I
said Il need new SILK hat, ana I win
per you silk hat you can't lick Carey"
ne said. That is CO." and we bet a hat
linen went home to the ostend Hotel. ana
believe went out with Mr.. Stern that eve
ming About IL or 1870 l returned 40
the Ostend Hotel. There was a cafe on the
nrst moor AS Iwalked In with Mr.. stern
ana Mr. and Mrs. Oppenheim, who stopped
at tAe same hotel, somebody slapped ma
on the back and ] looked around. n was
mayor smith He was seated there with
his brother Joe Smith and l believe win
ms family He said, II believe Toe rssn
this letter, read half Of 4, and 4 n i'er-
flp,e lie said ~ anything IKE lhal a
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