El Paso herald. (El Paso, Tex.) 1901-1931, 1916-05-27

@HIHUAHUA CITY. ME&lCO--lB By
Courier to FL Paso). May 27-sit
~ ting in the shadow OF death. Pablo
Lopez, Villas chief subordinate bandit
told the Associated Press correspondent
all about his life, voicing slave like
devotion TO Francisco villa and de-
clarinE Villa would one day again come
into his own He professed deepest ha-
tired for the "gringoes," but declared he
felt et-afterward-for the slaugh-
ter Of the mining men at Santa 1sabeL
He said the invasion Of Columbus was
made for a twofold purpose revenge
and the forcing Of Intervention which
would unite all Mexicans 20 fight the
United States before il was too late
Villa was convinced. Lopez said, that
The United States, TOO cOwaruly TO fight
IN the open, was merely pitting one
Mexican faction against another with
the idea that when the country was Ut
terly exhausted, IL would fall into the
arms Of the United states like ripe
pear"
At times also. Lopez said. villa would
charge Carranza with selling out 10
the gringOes." On such occasions ne
said, Villa would assert that ne must
try for Intervention before the Amerl-
cans were ready, and while we stlu
had time to become a united nation
Is Hostile TO fnterVfewerE
When the interviewer first ap-
preached the cell in which Pablo Lopez
is confined. prospects for an extended
conversation seemed very slim
The prisoner, unshaven and clad only
in an undershirt. cotton trousers and
black hose. with his left leg. which was
wounded at Guerrero. swathed in band
ages. reused from a dOze and demanded
Wen, senior, what do you wish2 Have
you also come TO gloat over the poor
captive for whose blood your paisanos
are so eagerly thirsting2 A number OF
other curious gringoes came 10 see me
recently, but I refused either TO see
them or talk to them"
The visitor explained that he was Of
That Makes A Difference.
All" said Lopez. You are not then
gringo. Wen that makes little differ
ence: you have revolutions in your own
land; is il not 50? Yes my friends keep
me posted on outside news. If IL were
not for them I would starvs."
He accepted a cigaret with the re-
mark that they were very dear in
Mexico, while his friends were very
poor and went on:
We'll, seeing it is you. I might talk
Went out with SIadero.
I am only a poor, ignorant peon,
senior. Ny only education was gained
in Leading the oxen and following the
pillow. However, when the good Fran
cisco AiaderO rose in arms against our
despOtic masters, I gladly answered his
we all knew Pancho Villas who
did nOt2 His exploits were recounted
nightly at every humble fireside. He
were ground under the heel Of the op-
pressor.
was Paneho's AdOriaE slave
when the call came I was one Of
the first 10 Join him and I have been
his faithful follower and adoring slave
ever since
We're we disappointed over the Co
lumbus RAID Wen, all we got were
some horses, a lot Of hell and many bull
letst
Ny MASTER Don PsnchO villa was
continually telling US that since the
gringoes had given him the double cross
he meant not only TO set back at them,
but 10 try and Waken our country 70 4
the danger that was very close TO It
Don PanchO was convinced that the
gringoes were too cOwardly 10 fight US, /
or to try and win our country by force
of arms. he said they would keep pit I
ting one faction against another until /
We were all killed off, and our eX- 4
hausted country would fall Ike a ripe I
pear into their eager hands
said Carranza Selling Ont
Don Pancho also told US that Car l
rama was selling our northern states 20 I
the gringOes 10 get money TO keep him. 4
self in power He said he wanted to {
make some attempt 70 get Intervention I
from the gringoes before they were 4
ready, and while we still had time 70 4
become a united nation
The Santa Ysabel affair partly salts
fled my masters desire for revenge. but 4
It did not succeed In satisfying his other
wishes So We marched On Columbus
We invaded American soil
Columbus Bullet Got Him.
You see this partially healed
bruise over my heart? ] got that az
columbus-it bears witness to my
life.
I had on two crossed belts Of
cartridges and a bullet hit one Of them,
yiancing off The force Of Il knocked me
ground, another came and went clean
through both Of my legs from left to
right while still another broke the
loading lever of my rifle
Dragged self to Horse.
I thought it was time to go. A stray
horse, also wounded, was standing by, {
md / craWled 70 Il and drar ged myself
IN Having lots Of clips Ioi my auto I
matte, I kept emptying my pistol to pro- !
ect my retreat Ny comrades were rid
NJ southwark. too
4 progressed several leagues before
could get someone to help me dis
mount and bind my wounds. Then (
made off alone 10 seek a place in the ,
nils where I might lie by and cure
ny hurts
Caught at Santa YsabeL
But. senior. things are not what they
Ised to be- I have plenty OF friends in
he hills, but they are now short Of
God, and what with patrols Of both Car
-ancistas and Americans. I was literally
starving. Then. at Santa Ysabel, the
cry spot in which we killed the Ameri-
ans, the Carrancistas caught me.
Wouldn't Have Surrendered
Would ] have surrendered 10 the
sringoes2 No, senior. many times, no. ]
ave been many times in tight places
when wounded but have never thought
Il surrendering-
IF the gringOes had found me