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and was In a position to inform
the marlborough exactly az to the
status OF the city and to give
other information that would aid the
In dealing with what the wit
ness characterized as very hard trad
He said the. 1nterborough got
from Mr.. Grout lots Of information
about the city's methods.
In other words" said MIR. Colby.
he might be able 10 tell o what
cards the city held"
He could tell u what the financial
standing Of the city wa and could In
form us as to the city's ability to carry
its obligations"
did Grout deliver the goodsg'
He gave us his impression Of the
ctty's condition"
Did he render a bill for what ne
didT"
Nearly q ssit Over Grost's nm.
HE rendered a bill 80 vasu that
We nearly had a lawsuit over it,"
Dc o recognize this?" asked Mr..
Colby. holding up a bill.
YES. That was a bill for $4,000
sor retainer. His subsequent hill al.
most caused a lawsuit"
There was no specification Of what
he had done"
His services were along the lines !
have Indicated"
"whom did he advise" asked Senator
Thompson.
"He advised me
How many times did YOU confer
with him."
II don't recall exactly. Twenty times
would be a good guess"
WAS that fhn only aeVtira ha nor
formed"
Il think he looked up several mat
terr."
Did he ever appear openly as one OF
the Interboroueh's counsel"
II don't recall that he did
Did you ever take a trip with Mira
beau L. Towns" asked Mr.. Colby.
II think I did"
viii YOU tell us where YOU WENT"
Il think that was the time ! took
a trip to ST. James"
And what did YOU go To 81 James
for? Did you go there 10 enjoy the
scenery
Mayor Was climbing . Pence.
NO. I tool the trip to st. James
hoping that ] would catch the Mayor -,
New York free and uneucumbered
which 7 did. ! recall he was Just CLIMB.
ing over a fence when I saw him"
Was he trying TO get away from
youT'
mo. ! don't thlnk SO. Anyway.
found him. II Was in March. 1910.
recall that ! WASH: invited into tn
house. II was very old and We walked
back and forth for three hours"
But you paid Towns $1,000 for max.
ing that trip with YOU"
Yes. ! suppose that was a par. ot
the services which he rendered"
Nov that your recollection is re
freshed will o tell us "A little NOR,
about Mr.. Towns and his services
Mr.. Grou' was a former law partner o.
Mayor c;aynor?"
YES"
And Mr., Grou; and Mr.. Towns wer'
friends Of Mr.. Gavuor""
Towns had been, bu; I thinl
there was an end TO that"
WAS his friendship for Mayor Gay
nor the reason you o him TO 81
James
mo-
What did YOU go there for?'
81 wanted a chance to talk to Mayo
Gaynor and to tell him that We wer,
out ~ the situation"
But why take Towns with youo'
Il think II was to show me the va,
down there"
When did YOU tell Mr.. Towns 20,
wanted him to 70 with you"
~ cant remember"
THAT trip was a part Of his ser
| vices
81 suppose so"
DO you know OF anything else n
did,
NO, and I had forgotten tina. unit
you mentioned it
How did o stop Mayor Gayno
from climbing over the .ence?'
II told him wasn't AS bad as
looked. | convinced him that I had n
horns"
Amused the Spectators.
During this part OF the testimon
there had appeared on the part OF Ger
tain spectators a disposition to gufa,
loudly every time Mr.. Shonts made wha
appeared to be a particularly apt repl
to Mr.. Colhy's questions. Mr.. Shoni
also seemed 10 he enjoying the situa
ton, hut the faces 81 Senator Thomy
son and Mr.. Colby were decidedly ser
Gus. Suddenly the Senator turned I
the witness and said to him bluntly.
NJ Shonts. this Is a serious matter
- rev MOMENTS ago you gave the IN
preston that you were having difficult
in remembering who Mr.. Towns was.
now appears that you selected him I
go with YOU when you were making
very important vis!' TO Mayor Gayno
Will YOU explain this?"
e! did remember Mr.. Towns" saI
no witness. II remembered him Yer
Well. could not remember the cha
acter Of the services which he pc
formed. That was what could nc
remember. ] didn't try 10 give IL
impression that | didn't remember him
what did Mr., Towns do at s,
James,
81 think he sat out there in a buggy,
did you preserve a memorandum {
your conversation with Mr.. Gsynor?'
Mr.. Shonts said he did. II appear
TO have been made on April -. 1911
II consisted of ten typewriter page
Mr.. Colby said 1t showed what n
attitude Of Mayor Gaynor was at tn;
time toward the subway problem. N
Shonts interrupted with his sug2estio
that il would be uneth!cal to read Il
document, senator Thompson left u
decision to Mr.. colby and the COMM
tees counsel decided TO read only par
that p"rtaiI'd to Mr.. Shonts's repr'
sensations to the Mayor.
The extracts read indicated that "
ShoHiS went 10 ST James to see II