The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1916-02-27

Their talks with the Mayor about TINS
matter after May. 1910
Put you we're paid in 1912. two years
after that?'
81 am painfully aware Of that"
"Can you tell us why Gaynor did vote
for these contracts?"
wouldn't Take Advice.
Except that men are emotional.
They cry to-day and laugh to-morrow.
I was not in his thoughts. never
spoke to him again about suhways."
Ibid you advise him during the cam
paign az to what stand he should take
on certain public q~ucst'ons?"
Mayor Gaynor was not a man VINO
took advice. You might influence him
by suggestion"
"You were convinced that these con-
tracts were a good thing
There were no dual contracts at that
time. ! was always for anything that
would conserve the interests OF the city:
The whole matter was On he knees or
the gods at that time. The one clear
idea then was that the 1~nterboroueh
did not want It's property destroyed by
competition"
no = think oaynor made a sue.
cessful campaign
"Huh he was elected"
You were with him constantly during
that campaigng'
well. I wasn't a part Of his coat or
his undershirt. but I was with him"
"You think he made mistakes during
that campaign"
"Hc was elected"
Did you advise him to act In any
other way thar he did In the campaign"
II advised him that ! thought he was
wrong"
AFTER the election did YOU wan to
see him succeed"
Yes"
Then how could YOU advise him TO
sign these contracts"
These contracts didn't exist then. ]
was never consulted about these con-
tracts. want to add that so far as my
relations with the marlborough were
concerned there was never a suggestion
OF anything Interior Or immoral"
J. 4. Hodge QuestiOned.
That ended the testimony a Mr..
Towns. J. Aspinwall Hodge. a lawyer.
who was interested In the suit OF the
Continental Securities Company against
the marlborough and It's associated
companies. then took the stand to say
that until the Thompson committee be-
gan its investigation he had always
supposed that everybody in the world
knew the suit brough. BY the Admiral
Realty Company to test the cOnstitu-
tionality of the dual system contracts
were instigated by and brought In the
interest of the ln,erborough.
lie said President Shonts had 80 tes-
tifed at a hearing in his ONCE In
March. 1919. month before the case was
argued In the Court Of Appeals. lie
said Mr.. Shonts testified that tho frs,
plan was TO bring an ordinary test suit,
hut tina subsequently Mr.. Nicoll sug.
gested "A taxpayers suit. lie said his
own impression had been. and he believed
that tn" impression Of the courts was,
that the marlborough had instituted
the suit with the consent OF the city
Mr.. lodge admitted that IL the courts
had been informed properly OF the ma.
ture of the suit that information would
have been conveyed in the very form
OF the papers presented in the suit.
+. II. Gillespie was then called TO thu
stand. lie had with him ape relat'
ing to the transfer OF funds from the
New York to the pittsburg office OF hi
fathers company. bu. when he wa
asked 20 hand them over he refused
lie said he had been instructed b,
counsel to appear with the papers anc
"a answer any questions about them
hut not to turn them over to the com
mittce or its accountant on the GROUND
that certain matters in them were q
no concern 10 the committee.
Mr.. Moss tried TO convince him tha
the committee woul make use Of moth
ing that was not germane to the inauir!
and that the m alone coult
Judge whether any particular ape wa
%gernane. Mr.. Gillespie remained firm
replying zach time that he must refus'
to hand over the papers on the ground
specified by his counsel
Formal nd Resused.
senator Thompson then made forma
demand upon him to turn over the docu
ments. The demand was refused 1
the course Of the argument. in whic
. Senator Thompson, Mr.. Moss and NJ
Gillespie participated. the witness maj
aged 20 get in the statement that hi
y books would show n transfer OF S5lt,