New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1916-12-19
Joint Commission Con-
SiderS First Chiefs
Objections
BORDER CONTROL
STUMBLING BLOCK
First Chief Refuses to Let
Americans Pursue
Bandits at Will
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Philadelphia, Dec. 1S.-"Not up TO
specifications and returned for re-
vision"
This, in effect, was the comment ac-
companying the border protocol pro-
posed by the United States, which was
returned unsigned to-day by General
Carranza to the American representa-
tives in the joint Mexican commission.
"The United States proposed to help
Mexico; this proposal would, il ac-
cepted. bring increased distress to all
true Mexicans. In its present form it is
unacceptable"
Alberto j. PAM, who took the pro
tocol to Carranza, delivered the fore
going answer, in substance, to the
Americans when the commission met
this morning.
1t was evident at the close OF the
conference that both Americans and
Mexicans regarded as probable the tinal
official sanction of the protocol and the
resumption of the sessions. at which 1t
mas been planned to discuss questions
al issue between the governments OF
the United States and Mexico.
Two sessions were held, and late to-
day. when the commission adjourned,
IL was announced that another meeting
would be held tomorrow. Unless
break in the conferences, now uneK-
pected. occurs il was believed tonight
that the sessions might be continued
until near the end of the week, when
/ an adjournment would be taken until
after New Years Day.
PAM Explains Attitude
Commissioner Pani did most of the
talking at to-day's conference. He re-
't.s1 i, d-+ail his conferences with the
-. Dnlei and explained that the de
/ facto government found itself unable to
comply with all the terms OF the pro-
tocol.
The greatest secrecy veiled the pro-
ceedings. and no official Information
regarding the objections found by Car
rama was available. From authorita-
tive sources il was learned that the oo-
stacles 10 harmony were those enumer-
ated exclusively in The Tribune OF last
Friday, namely:
making the withdrawal OF Pershing
Column conditional upon an absence OF
outlawry in territory adjacent 20 that
occupied BY the American troops.
Second. the clause in the separate
memorandum which accompanied the
protocol, providing for the retention
bv the United States Of the right TO en-
ter Mexico il proper protection OF her
border depended upon such entrance
II was indicated that Carranza rel
that the declaration of the Uniter
States governments attitude, made ny
Secretary Of the Interior Lane, as chair
man Of the commission. made II neon
sistent for him TO accept 1t without w
turn defining the position OF his gov
ernmcnt.
Carranza Protests
Secretary Lane had placed before the
/ Mexican Commissioners supplemental
statement, in which he had clearly in
dicated that the American government
was determined to witness All improve
mon, in conditions in Mexico, and tha'
if II became necessary American troops
would be sent across the border IN
pursuit Of bandits, and that no restric,
tions as TO how far the pursuit Would
be carried would be tolerated.
Although not included in the proto-
col. Carranza interpreted this state
ment as vitally connected with the
agreement, and has protested againS'
the pursuance of Sch policy by the
United States.
These terms the First Chief regards
es imposing upon Mexico the obligation
n allow unlimited American military
operations within her borders upon oc'
casions 10 be determined solely by the
limited States. Their acceptance, ne
holds. would be more Illuminating "a
Mexico than is the present status OF al
fairs.
commissioner PAM admitted he hsc
referred TO" these provisions IN MS
statement 70 the Americans. lie nd
mitted. furthermore, that alternative
provisions suitable 20 Carranza nae
been framed and would be presented foi
the consideration Of the United states
81 think the Americans VIII be aoI'
to agree" he said.
Pants oral statement OF CarranZa''
views and requirements, al the request
OF the American commission, was ou'
into writing this afternoon.
Consideration OF them VIII occ1pl
the American commission tomorrow
and il is expected that their practlca
bilitv from the standpoint OF the OnlteC
States will be assessed.
The continuance of friendly reiationi
betveen the two governments depend'
upon the Americans decision.
Commissions Statement
The Developments of the day were
outlined by the commission In the 10!
lowing statement;
"The commissioners spent the morn
ing in hearing an extended statement
from Mr.. PAM as TO his interview with
Mr. Carranza and his view OF the rela
tions between the United States anc
Mexico. In the afternoon the Ameri
can commissioners received a letter
from the Mexican commissioners set
ting out certain questions BY MI Gar
ranzs as TO the protocol, TO which the
American commissioners are TO give
consideration. The protocol has no'
been signed, but this. the Mexican com
missioners stated, did not signiiy III
rejection.
John ]. Hawes, self-styled represent
s,ivc Of Francisco Villa, to-day sough
an audience with the commission 10.
the purpose Of describing the Mexican
situation from his chiefs standpoint
He Vas denied reception by both Amer
icans and Mexicans.
"yilla will spend Christmas IN Chi
huahua CITY" he declared