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Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
STUDENT CONFERENCE
Leaders in y. w. &. a. WorI, in yarious
Colleges for Women VIII Meet
Here This Week.

On Friday. Of this week, seven young
women students, representing as many
Southern colleges. will arrive in Rich
mond Co attend the conference of an
nual student members OF the Young
Women's Christian Association I'm this
field. These young women arc the
picked leaders in their respective col
leees, and they form sort or cabinet
for tho student associations through
out the Southeastern States.
The keynote of the conference will
I've the carrying forward Of the work
that is being done in European prison
Campo by the Worlds Christian Stu
dent Federation with which All stu
dent departments Of the Young wom-
ems Christian Association in this coun-
try arc affiliated.
Young women who will attend are
Miss Jane Henderson, of Sweet Rriar
College; Miss Lillian Obenaheim, # the
Virginia State Normal At Farmville,
Va; Miss Lucille Reams, of the North
Carolina State Normal mt Greensboro.
y. c.: Miss Lee Cheney. of Brenau Col
legc. Gainesville, Ga; Miss Regina
Pinkston, of Agnes Scott College, De
catur. Ga; Miss Mary Louise Scales, OF
Florida State College, Tallahassee. Fla.
and Miss Annie Laurie Maynard, Of
winthrop College, Rock Hill, S. C.
Preliminary 10 the conference the
South Atlantic field committee will
have an important meeting on Thurs
day morning in the committee rooms.
~ this time the program Will be given
over 10 discussion of student work
in Southern colleges Miss Willie Young
Will give n Survey of student Work IN
the Field" Miss Margaret Flcnniken
viii speak OF Types Of Student Yisi-
tation." Miss Keller, OF Westhampton
College, Will discuss the place of the
Young Women's Christian Association
in tho College" and Miss Branch Bin
ford will speak of it's relations to the
church. These addresses will be fol.
lowed by round-table discussions.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
Don't Blame IL on Nc"


NJ OW it appears the Republican crv bas
changed from Anything 10 beat wilson"
to Don't blame il on me- Prominent mon
III me party are saying the election u,s
thrown away through various ana suudrv
iaiiihSS on tho part Of Chairman WilIcov
charging him with campa ign plumbers which
as theF count them. were worse than crimes
some OF their criticisms may be ius,iGod
particularly those that specify the Ineffective
billboard advertising and the weak .li,cr.
lure put out by the committee In those
intemperacness and appeals to religions and
other prcjudiccs undoubtedly acted rs boom-
crangs
l5ht thcy overlook the Two deciding fac,ore
from tho Republican point Of view which
acseated Mr.. Hughes: the lack of one single
dehhite issue and Mr.. Hughes himself
without an issue, the Republicans were
iorccu to rely on the strength of their canG;
o"'e ANA whatever strength Mr.. Hughes
had before the campaign began, he dissipatod
iltt!c by little as the fight went on until cvon
hepnhhcan organs cautioned him to change
ms tactics Mr.. Wilcox may have blundcrnd
but lie had mighty little to go on when he
started.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
The Voice OF the PEOPLE
bryan Gave Us wilson.

% INC iditor OF Tho Times Dispatch:
Sif,--AS so many OF Democrats and near
neiin ,1crnts here in the East had bcmoaned the
pontichi death OF William jennings Bryan. 1t
misht be well for them to recall the fact that
70 Mr. ErHan moro than any else Is due
the recollection of Woodrow Wilson as Ircsi-
dent OF the United states. am glad 10 note
IN the New York World OF November 10 the
following on its editorial page:
IN the interest OF accuracy, the fact
should he noted that, aside from the
south. the Wilson majorities
ing mainly from the territory In which
AIR. Eryhn did his campaigning.
=, II might he we'll for us TO remember that
Alf lrSin campaigned this year for the Presi-
dent AT his own expense and Cancelled Chautau-
qua engagements which would have nctted him
thousands of dollars Therefore. we can still
say that Mr.. Bryan is the leading Democrat Of
inns day. and has given 10 the people of the
United States not once. but twice. Woodrow
wilson as President, who In unden'ably of
had D. r KENNEDY
lrr /
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
SHOWS STEADY PROGRESS
Total Amount OF Bills Discounted
During Past Week Mas
$352,76i.
CLEARINGs SHOW INCREASE;
Enormous Growth Of Banking Bust
ness as Compared With Same Pc
Rod Last Year, Though Not as
Large as for Preceding Week.

Bank clearings in Richmonu durini;
the week ending with the clopc OF bus, :
ness yesterday fcl! somcwhn, behind
those oil the previous week. but in the
substantial increase reported over the
same week Of last year, tho prosper
ity of Richmond's bnnks and bushes s
establishments Is reflected to a marked!
degree.
The report Of tho Clearing House AS
ISOLATION. issued yesterday afternoon.
showed clcarinEs during the week OF
s-i'?n".i2o. as compared with Sl6,4G.,
TOD Tor the same week of las, wear
showing an increase Of sssGc;sa IN.
Vi"arinss yesterday alone were sa.Gos.. .
S07.
The prosperity OF the financial i,s,i.
'u'iohs, as well AS all business enter
ir'ses' IN The Fifth District Of the Fed
'rr1 reserve system. is shown hy tho
silall amount or balls bought ana dis
counted during the week BY tho Iiicl
ih"ili bank, showing that membo-
banks are not forced to sell the p,p,r
of their customers
Ihe total amount Of bins bought
ara discounted for the week .ndIn.
'h '"e .iosc o! business Friday af-
tcrnoon was s35..16i which Is :,hn,,
snh,c volume O.: business as for
the previous wceL
Governor George j. Scay issued ,ba
following statement Yesterday ,rcr-
i""h showing tn. banks condition -,
the close Of business Friday.
Resources.
,'"!n com ana certificates 4.JE.O,i 90
Gold settlement fund. -. le.s3o.o0f 90
Total gold reserve So12Io oar m
Legal tender notes. silver
certificates and subsid-
vary COIN ........... 1872. -
Total reserve .........s 2i.es7,asa -
,l'"i estate .............. loo.75t 50
!''.S'h"h'S ...... ...... 6".750 %
L. s. bonds, Including ac-
crGcu interest ~ iil-s5. 6.
Bills discounted and
bought ......... 4,i2l,i2S 81
reserve banks. uet .3GlIi al
Items in transit. deferred s.35n.Sos a.
MI "'her resources. I2s.1oj II
To;a! resources .s3a.3l7.075 =.
Liabilities.
Capital paid in.......S 3.34c.5oo 90
Reserve deposits. nct.... e2.3i7.37. ~
T. : government dc
pos''s ..,... ....,..... o.7io,os2 80
Federal reserve notes III
circulation, net ~ 324ata5 On
Items IN transit. deferred ,.ale.5@3 81
All other liabilities. i5o.ia; so
Total liabilities ...... s3e.3i7. o75 50
Gold reserve against all liabilities.
IS per cent,
Gold reserve against All liabilities
after setting aside "A per cont gold
reserve for Federal reserve notes out
standing. 95 per cent
Federal Hcncrrc Notes.
issued ........ ........ si7.oG3,S7o 90
on hand ................ 37o,soa 90
outstanding .,..... ....sl6. 6a2,S65 90
Cold with Federal reserve
agent ..... ........ i3.t43.67o 90
Ne, liability .. 3,2is,I95 %
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
Gratitude to Bryan

HUR correspondent from Ntrso, who on
~ this page to-day pays 4 just tribute TO
William j. Bryan and Mr.. Br-ans valiant
iabors for Democracy, docs Not permit his
enthusiasm 10 carry hin. much too far. The
President and the party owe much to the
stalwart Nebraskali, for the Bryan addresses
indubitaby had large influence OH the re
suit in the West.
When ii comes to selecting Che leading
Democrat Of tho day The Times Dispatch
will vote for Woodro% Wilson. even III prefer
ence to Mr.. Bryan, bur ii takes pleasure in
recognizing the loyalty. the enthusiasm and
the lne political Skill with which the Bryan
iriuenCC was cNcr;Cd.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
shakespeare Day LIZ DIV.

ior the Republican campaign managers:
Chewing the food of sweet and bitter fancy"
AS You Like 1t. Is. 3.
For victor aud vanqu shed:
-tnd do ~ advclSarieS do in law
Strive nightly, but cat and drink as frion1s-
Tuning of the Shrew t. .
For the successful:
Il hate inEratitudc more i'll a man
Ihah lying, Nainness. babblng, drunkenness"
Twelfth Night, iii. 4.
For tho lisn COS, Of living:
nc hath eaten me- out of house and home"
king Henry ~, Part H. ii /
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12

IN an editorial aluson 10 tEe effect oil
wou.en's votes IN Che presidential election
an error OF tabulaiion led Tho Times Dispatch
yesterday TO say that i'll illinois plurality
Of the men voted for Wilson while piuraiity
OF the women voted for Hughes. TIE tact Is
that q plurality OF both men and women was
registered for the Republican candidate
The corrected statement merely strengthens
our contention that i'll practically all the
woman suffrage States the women divided
about as the men did, and so exercised no
controlling. influence on the result.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
Queries and Answers
YOU WANT TO KNOW

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know, write plainly md address NIL letters 10
The Times-Dispntch Information bureau
Warrington, D. C..
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
To-Dny.s Best IIand-pickcd Joke

ne Zig Soss was consulting Nclse. the jantos
relative 10 tho qualifications Of an applicant for
a place IS assistant janitor.
DO you know this boys reputation for truth
and vcracity?'' ne asked
LAS sun; yas. sub. guess do" RESPONDED
Nelso
Well what is IT,
ell! anil, he always tells de trufo. 7 reckon.
dat is, ! ncvah Is kctched him in no Iic. h,,t
nout ais here vrasty bizncss I'm EwInter ho
an wa S"u-~aoihe say he will an some say
he won't"--iacon Telegraph
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12

natural field OF his mechanical and agricul-
tural development. which was Booker WASH
ingtons dream. ideal and life work MANY
OF them KNOW 1t now, and all of them will
Know II before long. The pity is that some
VIII not be convinced until they have made
an experiment which must end in un-
happiness.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
\ Gentleman

THAT man whose reply to query con
corning his occupation was, II have none;
J am gentleman and don; have 10 work 3"
made out at least d pr!ma facic case against
himself. Ills word maybe taken tor Il tina,
he has no occupation. and his statement that
he doesn't have 10 work may be accented as
true. But his assertion that he is a gentle
man was the sort OF speech every gentleman
would hate to have attributed TO himself
Doth protest too much is not applicable
only 10 the lady.
Nor was the evidence lie offered of his
gent!lty--that ho had no occupation and
didn't have 10 work-any sort of proof of his
>ciaim. There are lew gentlemen in this
country who do not work. at some occupation.
calling or profession. Even In England
where tho nobility and gentry are officially
recognized as castles, many OF both degrees
work. and work hard In this country, as in
every other. the occasional man who does
nothing is not gentleman for that reason
re may ne one, possibly; he certainly is an
ldier' ana IN either case his admission that
he is q gentleman doesn't establish him in
that rank
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
OF Coursc. X, I. Getting Ready

G SUGGESTIONS from New York that Colonel
- Roosevelt already is sharpening Tor 1920
1.-The sYcar that knows no brother" are not
surprising. The Colonel, as q matter of
fac, is preparing not only for 1890 hut for
1924, 1928, 1882 and various other presl-
dental years. lie is the one perpetual can
ddatc for President Of tho United States.
Furthermore, he viii find the Republican
party OF the future q far more conGenai
abiding place than the Progressive party, for
the Colonel takes his political progressiveness
in Il purely piclSwickian sense He never had
any sympathy with Cummins, La Toilette
Murdoch, Bristow and the Other men Ivy whom
tho Progressive party Was formed, while he
was President aud they were struggling
against the Cannon machine in Congress- lie
never gave them any help He merely took
over The party when he thought il could he
used for his own political advantage.
OF course, he Is getting ready for 1920
There arc folks uMkind enough 10 say he had
that III mind when he urged his misguided
followers TO accept the nomination OF
Hughes.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12

fact most frankly. IL Mr. Wilson finally loses
the present election hc will remain the strongest
than p9itsaiiy In tho nation. much stronger
MIS-. Il tnan to ba reckoned with politically be-
cause of his hold upon popular iuiaE nation and
public approval
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
Chicken n In k;np

-. W M-Mincc 'llc white meat of two breast
OF chicken; slice eight fresh mushrooms. and
stew IN TWO ounces OF butter. Take q pint OF
cream and put chicken and mushrooms in pan
ana adl Que Gill Of sherry and two more ounces
OF butter. Mix wall. and az ii starts
70 hoil put III a chaiimEdish. Slice whole
truric thin and lay tho top Serve with
thin dry a. platcS
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
nation WIDE CAMPAIGN
FOR RAILROAD Y. N. C. A.
Organization Hopes to Add 10000
Men to Its Rolls in Next
Ten Days.
RICHMOND MAY LEAD LIST
Local Association Lays Extensive
Plans for Effort to Secure 1900
New Members in This City BE.
fore November -.

Division chairman have been named
ana plans completed Tor tho inauSurn-
tion Tuesday morning of tho iocai
railroad Young Mems Christian AS
sociation's campaign for 1900 new
members by November Il. Final In
structiona and suggestions will DO
given 10 the five teams at a meeting
ana banquc, 10 be held in tho audi.
forum of tho local ussocia;ions build
ing. Seventeenth and Main Streets
Monday night. Teams Will start TO
work Tuesday morning canvassiux
every section Of the city. Division
chnirmcn arc as follows: 4. H. Mason.
J. T. Gibson. J.. t. Iit,man. claim aycnt
of the SrahuHrd Air Line and n +,
,afd"n. freight agent nf the Southern
nv Hith team. now being formed will
be made up Of engineers. conductors.
brnkem"n and hrrncn. and has En-
Sin"er IL. H. catin as its chairman
a sixth committee will bc later formed
by Secretary q. +. Burke. IL will he
composed OF railroad men who viii,
becauae .! their duties. bc unable 10
be present At the nightly dinners Ia
report with the regular campaign
teams.
The local campaign in being made IN
conjunction with a nation wide move
'i'nt TO add 900 railroad mon TO ta,
present membership Of the association
and It is expected that 10000 men win
T." enlisted on tho WORDING teams in
tho cndcaNor to rclat. fellow .orkmcn
10 III" organization Tho Who'll. enter.
prise has bccn scientifically organi2ed
from the general continental plau down
u III" effort OF the local organization.
RICHMOND LED ~
LAST YEARS CAMPAIGN
The general inovcmont is being d;-
f,l 4 - ,r,n
on organization, finance. pub,iclty
communications, assimilation and city
c"-op.ration In connection with tn.
work "t tho last nnmed committee tho
{ c.ort VIII hc made to enlist 10000
railroad mon ~ cities and towns where
- present no railroad associations
cNia'. The Richmond campaign win
be under tho supervision Of : L.
Thomas. for fifteen %carS secretary or
the local railroad Y. NJ. e a. under
"h"S" rcsm" the local association has
SIs"n from nothing L. one 81 the
far;:.at end best organized hranchc. in
the country. Arrangements have hcen
coInrlc;"d Tor II Geographic system 81
reporting results each day. so that in
tcrnaiional headquarters. in New York
VIII be advised of the number of mem
bcrs secured by each Of the go assoc:a-
tons, ana also the number secured IN.
each railroad systcin The figures Viii
b" tabu!aicd and sent in turn 10 every
local association and system head
quarters
Tho Richmond tcunls Will TIC IN COM
petition with 80 other organisations
IN III. United states and Canada and
arc ambitious 10 repeat tho record OF
1918 whom III" local association lod the
iicid III a similar campaign
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12

The London Daily News. discussing Prrsi-
dent Wilson'S reelection. rcjoices that the
reihs OF power are to remain in his capable
hands. So say We all of US
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
SEEN ON THE SIDE

THE WEST.
What do YOU think OF the wcst, my
friends
The brave young West, where the sun
LcsccndH
Through nzurc, cIou,l-Hccked skyr
Tint il the land where the truth in
bold.
Where men the faith of the fathers
And all their hopes nre high.
Whit do you think of the West, my
friends
The fight IL made and the cheer 1t
hcudS
That Mns fight that viii wnrm mems
hearts.
And men In fields mad their homes md
Find loyal cheer Increased.
Can't find the words which will pcr-
ccctiy
Tell half VIC want TO say,
But here's one word that the South VIII
Nsh"'
friend,
just lct II look this way"
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12

II the German Chancellors speech is I'M
dcratood. he has declared ;nat Germany vii,
not annex Belgium At the close OF the war
ANY pro Teuton will admit that is generous
OF Germany
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
World nnd Herald.

WHICH political party arc tho Now York
world and Herald generally conceded to be
Both are indcpenden, -Dcmoc but not
animated w:ta either party exclusively.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
4 Recognized Leader,

rs Tommy doing we'll at school:, incurred
the interested friend
GU bet he IS repiied the proud father. nc
told mo only yesterday he had licked eyerv boy
in his class"
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
Total liabilities ..... $3.50. sac. 600

note liabilities. IT'S per cent.
Cash reserve against net deposit and
note liabilities, 74.l per cent.
Cash reserve against net deposit la
bilities after setting aside 40 per cen.
gold reserve against aggregate net
liabilities on Federal rc.erve notes in
circulation. $50 per cent.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
tnusc ind Effect,

fruhhs--ptd Binks give up his motor c,r
because he was tired of running it"
Stubos--No; Inc gave 1t up because the dealer
was tired Of running after his money
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
Warranted.

This CSC docs not seem to be perfectly fresh"
remarked the restaurant patron.
assure II *. sir. said the attentive waiter
\ TOOK IL myself from the ccld-storase vault
not twenty minutes ago
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
) Regular Wizard.

What gives Kinks that profound confidence
III his rolitical sagacity:"
lie predicted Hughes would carry Pcnnsvl
wanna ana ~" returns proved him right"
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
DycinE Shoes.

u. A--liub tho shoes thoroughly With a IN
per cent solution OF fannie acid; them dr.,
and then rub again thoroughly with /. 10 ncr
cent solution of sup!atc of iron
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
Natcrproohng Cloth.

w. ]. G-Without considering the methods hy
which cloth Is watcrprootcd with rubber, there
are seNera' processes IN practical use by which
cloth is rendered nona orhent o: watrr-and
for all practical purposes ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
materially affecting its color or aprcarnncn
greatly increasing It's weight rendering it
entirely airproof. These depend mainly upon
the reaction between two more substances
in consequence of which substance insolublc
l.oarN'S process Is:
TWO ounces of soap. four ounces or glue and
one gallon of water. soften the glue in cold
water and dissolve il: together with the soap
IN the water by aid OF heat and agitation. Tho
cloth is hlled with this solution by boiling /,
In the LIQUID for several hours, tho time re-
CURED depending upon the kind of fiber and
thickness Of the cloth. When properly sal.
uratcd tho excess Of liquid is wrung ont, tho
cloth exposed to the air until nearly irv them
d!gcated for five to twelve hours in the follow
ing solutions: alum, thirteen ounces salt fifteen
ounces: water. ono gallon. It is lnaIly wrmnE
out. rinscd In clean water and dried al a rem
perature OF about 50 degrees Fahrenheit
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
In Retreat.

ouF friends, who knew il nearly All
heiorc IN" votes began to fail.
Are pretty nearly through.
"a e"heSdav eve away they stole
Ana climbed down in a deem. deem bo,.
And pulled that hole In, too.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
Wax for Floors.

Mrs. L. Il W.-Takc one fourth pound VOL
low neehwaX and three four,hs Of pound OF
paraihn; melt together over tho nrc. When
thoroughly melted. remove from the t!rc and
heating constantly all the time. When this
mixture Is cold. Il should he of the consistency
Of cold cream. Rub w,l into tho floor with "A
Ganncl rag and polish With a clean, dry cloth
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12

Too bad Il the winners OF election bots bova
10 pay out some Of their winnings in court
fines. But just think what may happen TO
the losers.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12
The pcssimist Snys:

The Colonel seems to have been right abou
that gold brick, after all.
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12

Nothing more amusing has been heard in
connection with the election than the piaint
OF some Republicans thar The vote Of the
west showed 'seciionalism." Even senator
Lodge must smile al ,hat
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12

Rhode Island defeated last Tuesday am
apostle OF high protection and elected a free
trade Democrat TO the Senate. Well il was
day OF miracles anyhow
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12

Just Tor change. the Republican leaders
are now beginning 10 throw mud at each
other
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12

Perhaps the best thing General Carranza
couia 90 would be to let General Pcrshing
settle this Villa problem, oncc for all
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12

according TO one joker, Mr. Hughes LEFT
the Dehch To run for the presidential chair
and only obtained place on the shelf
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12

Who was tho first man who said Wilson
was elected TUESDAY night:
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12

Headline says Stockholders Not Ready To
Pay Election WaGers." Why? WHAT have
they done with the stakes?
Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1916-11-12

fte ESQ. P.'s announcement that IT. will
abide by the official count III close States
might be taken 10 mean tina, il fears il
wouldn't do TO investigate TOO deeply