New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1916-03-10

son, pointing his finger AT the Inter
borough head. 81 told you once before
how this committee feels about your
memory. You appear not 10 remember
much about this trip. yet you say It
Was one Of tho most important things
you did IN this extraordinary service
YOU rendered The committee feels
that your memory ought TO have more
details about the transaction"
After this sdmonishment Mr.. Moss
asked:
"How is it Mr.. Hawlcy clipped your
memory when Mr.. Colby was question
ing you"
at would have slipped my memory
again II I had not consulted with my
memorandum after ! testified here last
time"
Did your conversation VI Mr.
Fawley touch upon money" asked M
Moss, again taking Up the trail of the
alleged yellow pup" fund.
at did not" replied the witness
us Mr.. Hawlcy dead or alive"
Dead"
did you talk with Mr.. Freedman pc
fore starting on this trip TO Mayor
Gaynor's house."
~ don't know"
ale Mr.. Freedman dead or living"
Dead"
Mr.. Shonts said the chief object Of
his trip was TO state the Interborough's
position and 20 say that there ought
70 be some man IN the city in whom
he had confidence who could investi-
gate the entire situation for the Mayor
and report back to him. He said that
he was successful in this, and that
later the Mayor sent an engineer named
lngersoll and a man named Kingsley
Martin. He said he never saw their
report. but that he believed il was
favorable TO the Interborough.
Shonts Also Won Controller.
"Was any one else in the city govern
ment besides Mayor Gsynor who was
converted from q position Of sntsgon-
ism ?" asked Mr.. Moss.
81 don't think Of any one" said the
witness after hesitating.
Mr.. Moss pressed tho question and
the witness said:
Mayor Mitchell was never favorable
But be never cA.le over 70 the In
terborough's plan -
Name some one who was opposed
besides Mayor Gsynor who did como
ovor?"
The witness paused. Hs seemed 10
be deep in thought A nipple of laugh
ter swept the crowd. Mr.. Shonts then
fastened 20 reply:
81 don't know. One man did agree
with us that he was in favor Of the
Of July 10. 1911, aad either
that day or shortly after voted against
it"
THAT man was Controller Prender-
gast?"
yes
what did he do finally"
"He voted for II, as ! recollect
"Was there o favorable report after
you visited ST. James,"
'Yes, about a year or two after
ward"
The witness was asked if that helped
him to remember what he told Mr..
Freedman about the visit 70 81. James.
He said he told Mr.. Freedman probably
what he told the whole board OF d.
rectors he was then asked II he knew
when Mr.. Freedman was in Europe, but
the witness could only say that he knew
he had been in Europe
"Do YOU know whether Mr.. Freedman
had any bank account in London -
81 do not: l never heard Of II.
Mr.. Shonts was then excused, and
asked to remain TO listen TO the testl-
mony of Mr.. Towns.
Mr.. Towns repeated most OF his for
mer testimony regarding the visit TO st.
James, and Of his work in bringing
Shonts and Gaynor together. for which
he received $4,000. He was followed by
Archibald Watson, former Corporation
Counsel, who had such poor memory
that he did not know whether he ap-
proved the contracts or whether one
Of his subordinates die. He was asked
TO refresh his memory and be on hand
again to-day