The Birmingham age-herald., 1916-05-21
By DOLLY DALRYMPLE

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 s;sE-sS the things that I am most
 AxEGsI interested in, of course, is
 the establishment of con- genial relations between employer and employe, giving the man who labors a chance for clean living and self respect, and l am also interested in art but | would hardly say that these were hobbies at the same time I am an enthusiast on both themes"
 And he is-this splendid, great man Judge Ebert II. Gary, the honored head, the chairman, of the board of directors of the United States Steel corporation-the most gigantic organ i1ation in the world today.
 Frcrl start to finish-two hours and more by the clock-it was an interest," ing interview that Judge Gary grant cd me in hrs skyseraping offices at No. n Broadway.
 lt may be that there never was such another 'interview;" my editor, whose close personal friendship with Judge Gary was responsible for the inter view tcing granted interested and alert, sat at one side of the table the Judge, conservative, dignifed, tantal- izinGly reticent at the head, in his ac- crstomed office chair-while a very scared, very nervous, very humble lit tie person-myself -- none other pounded question after question to the nest distinguished man. perhaps, in the United States today.
 We touched upon the war and its in- 
 then swerved from a delicate topic neutrality and standardization the 1udSe was never more iudicially grave and careful than while on this quaking ground, but remember, he was in the hands Of a mere woman 'interview- er' and he rarely talks even to the most accomplished newspaper men, much less a feminine paragraphist, and with his insistent reserve about publicity concerning himself and the affairs of his great company--not to speak of such grave subjects as those Just mentioned-you could scarcely blame him but when the betterment. of conditions among the men who work TOT him. and a casual reference to the beautiful Houdon he owns, was made --flguratively the sun came out, and JudSe Gary. in a most charming, man ner entered into the spirit of the con- VeFsatlon, making emphatic little ges- lures, talking a bit more rapidly. while an unsuspected number of smiling cIlnkles came into play at the corners of his honest blue eyes.
 II one man could hope to achieve in A single lifetime, the knowledge about law. aDout iron and steel, about social condi- uons, about art, about music. about edu- catlon, about religion (for Judge Gary is as nucn at home at a Billy Sunday meeting, the evangelist being a warm Friend of his. as he is when the ai1pust oody Of directors and stockholders of the Onlted States Steel corpora tion assemblies Tor conference), about the genealoey of Who's Who in business, or a digest Of all that is to be learned about the history of the world since the Garden of Eden times
 say, if one man could hope to mas ter any one of these subjects, he might go down in history as not having lived III Valn-out when one man happens to De an authority on all these-the circun- stance achieves distinction and the nar- rator is at sea where to begin,
 used to think it was a most con- mendable thing to meet a man who ooesnt like to talk about himself: T still think so-maybe-unless you've been de- tailed to get the aforesaid person to talk about himself; to be interviewed" in other words; then when it has been borne suddenly upon you at a first glance that your victims modesty is not a veneer of reserve put on for the occasion. when you stand in the presence of a man who IS torn between the ancient courtesy in- herited from illustrious forefathers who nave made Americas history to do any, tnlng that woman asks him to do and his for himself, the situation does not assume an hilarious attitude on either side.
 Judge Gary said in the beginning that ne had very little to say for publication: In the meantime my paper demanded copy of what his distinguished gentle man said; he didn't say anything: he simply sat in dignified silence, broad and thoughtful; his blue eyes clouded. the picture of man to whom life at that moment held out only the cup of hem lock; he really didn't wish to be inter- viewed; quoted" rather, and especially by frivolous woman
 But Judge Gary, I begged; "an inter- view without quotation marks is like a letter without a stamp"
 He smiled most graciousYy
 was beginning to feel little more comfortable; 1 was beginning to sym pathize with my subject, for I'd rather be
 
 lnterview-when he doesn't wish to be in- terviewed
 It is a tradition I believe, that wher Thomas Babington Macaulay was asked oy his editor to interview a person he always embarked upon the task in gooG faith that is, in his opening para graph he would mention that such an6 such a gentleman possessed such ans such qualities and thav he chatted about everything from the topics of the day back to the manners and customs of the Phoenicians; if the 'fnterview-ee" were a nonentity the result of the interviewer iatu-s would be 'Macaulay on the Phoenlclans' if the author were a great man. 1t would be what Macaulay had to say aD2ut him; such a method of inter- viewing has given us the most resplen- dent Essays in the English language; of the repubished poetry of Milton, Ma caulay has told us nothing beyond the fact but in doing so, he paused to tell us in unforgetable phrases everything of Milton; the new edition of Johnson's dictionary found it's reviewer cold but the Geographical sketch which instigated it. makes us weep for Boswell,