The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1915-03-24

Ishh"A@t NhO &c u.s. " '''N'' ~ ''"
OF william siebold. who testified yester-
day tina he gave to Ludwig an auto
matte revolver that had been handed to
him after the shooting by Bernard J.
Fox, one of Cieary's political associates.
As a result OF this the commissioned
made no secret OF his belief that some
important facts about the murder of
Newman were being withheld. He went
even further than that and strongly
limited that arrests and indictments on
perjury charges would grow out of the
testimony Of some Of the Haverstrav
witnesses.
L. sure Truth IL Hidden.
"I may have some recommendations
to make to the District Attorney said
the coinn.s sioner during the proceed
ings to-day. lie also asked four witnesses
ii they really thought any one would be-
lieve their stories. These witnesses we're
Charles Ludwig. Seibold, who is a for
iner army man. Il. Fox. who is a brew
cry agent, and Harry Hughes. nephew
OF Fox, who are awaiting trial on a
charge of perjury and violation of the
Sullivan law growing out OF the Cleary
case.
The commissioner tried all day to get
from THESE FOUR men inc truth ABOUT
the revolver Cleary used In the shooting.
He was so sure that the four men were
keeping back important facts that he
took the examination out of the hands
OF Lloyd r. Stryker. counsel for the
complainants against Gagan. He kept
Seibold on the stand for several hours
and called him into ambers during
the moor recess TO urge him not to get
into trouble in an effort to save some
one else.
The noon automobile trip TO Haver-
straw for a bedside hearing OF Ludwig's
testimony was as sudden as Commits
sioner Hotchkiss's later announcement
that he might have some recommends
lions TO make to Mr.. Gagan before the
end OF the hearing. The significance OF
this was noted AT once by friends and
foes OF the District Attorney. While
Clesry cannot be placed on trial again.
some OF his political friends do not feel
quite as secure from arrest and indict-
ment for perjury or conspiracy. II
seemed almost certain tonight tina, a
Grand Jury would hear some OF the
testimony brought out before Gov. Whit
mans referee.
Seibold. In testifying before the com
missioner, said Fox passed the pistol to
him from o left han pocket a.
Fox and Cleary came out OF the office
after Newman was killed. II was an
automatic, Seibold said. Seibold later
gave the weapon tn Ludwig. who in turn
passed II on to Michael Hughes. keeper OF
a saloon where Clearv and Fox stopped
before the shooting and where Fox passed
TO Clearv something that looked Ike
q bit of paper Seibold asserted that
despite the smok in the office ne did
not know anything had happened" and
diC not ask n questions about the re-
volver when II was handed TO him
Seibold became confused under the ques-
tinnInD NJ NJ IyntnbEtaa apH NJ Ssrx-
ker and at one time blurted out;
Yes. l would swear to anything"
Decides 70 Go - Ludwig.
Ludwig's name was called immed-
ately after Seibold left the stand. Sell
bold remarked He won't be here. He's
Sick" Mr.. Hotchklss then decided to
go straight TO Ludwig for his story.
TIE man wa in bed when the COM
missioner arrived at his home He too
said that he did not think II necessary
10 ask questions about the Weapon he
got from Slebold within nm hour after
the shooting. Ludwig said he received
the gun in his back yard with !nstruc-
lions to take II To "Fox's saloon" which
had Just been bought by Hughes.
Ludwig said that Gagan had sum-
moned him in February 70 ask about
the gun and hat he was arrested that
night charged with carrying IL. Frank
Comesky, Cieary's counsel throughout
the trial. became Ludwig's counsel at
that time. Ludwig paid him nothing.
He said he also had as counsel Harvey
Debaun OF Haverstraw, whom ne met
IN tho back room OF a saloon with Fox
and SieboTd.
So significant did Mr.. Hotchk,ss re-
gard the pistol incident that he took
occasion while in Haverstraw 10 go to
the town clerks office, where Gagan and
Ambrose Cleary reenacted the murder
Of Eugene Newman. The furniture OF
rho small office was rearranged. Mr..
HotchkisS, recalling that Cleary had
said hat his back was turned when
Newman entered. remarked 10 Gagan:
1T is p rather small room in which
II Is difficult 10 imagine "A man remain
!ng in ignorance OF another entering,
The poor boy never had a chance for
MS life, did he"' Gsgan replied: No"
Fox was questioned again tonight,
Tie was asked II he would waive i'm
munity with regard to any facts that
might connect him with the murder OF
Young Newman. lie waived immunity
without hesitation, but refused 10 an
ever many questions on the ground that
It would tend to incriminate and degrade
him. He finally admitted handing "A re-
volver TO william Siebold "a moment or
two after tho murder, He said he did
not want 10 be caught with a weapon, or
his person al that time, although he mad
y permit 10 carry a revolver.
What happened TO the murder gun -
he was asked.
after the murder I picked IL up and
slipped It in my coat pocket" he replied.
81 kept the gun and gave it TO my wife
tina evening"
ina time you were in communities
ton with MI Tagan and other of'cer,
AZ the law YOU had tho murder gun in
Sotr k~ketT'
"Y,a."
"Dld Gsgan ask you where IN. gun
was"
"Yes, hut ! didr'' tell hini the truth,
] said ! didn't know, az | wanted 10 helm
nv friend Clcsry All I could
Adjournment Was taken hero until to.
morrow ~ 10 A NJ.