Arizona republican., 1915-05-06
Goes into the Ethics of Boss Rule and Machine Politics That He Claims Were .Expounded by William Barnes
TELLS OF DEFEATING
 DIRECT PRIMARIES
Says Barnes Held It Was Not Necessary for a Boss to Issue Orders as Men Knew They Must Stand by Organization
ASSOCIATED PRESS DISPATCH

SYRACUSE, May 5.-The ethics of boss rule and machine politics which Colonel Theodore Roosevelt claims William Barnes eXpounded was relat- ed by the former president upon the witness stand in supreme court. The colonel sWore that Barnes told him that the "riffraff'' could not be trust ed to handle political affairs without leaders and had expressed himself as being in favor of the democratic and republican organizations combining to defeat legislation providing for the direct primaries. The colonel went on the stand at the end of a day congested with testimony about pub lie printing and public money
 He related what he alleged to be the substance of conversations he had with the former chairman of the re- publican state committee over a period from 1898 until he left the White House. He told the story with all the forcefulness at his command. In part it follows:
 Barnes and I had many conversa- tions upon the nature of a boss and upon the power of and the necessity for a machine under our system of party government Barnes said it was necessary that the head of the organization should have complete control and he instanced Albany county. He said the riff-raff could not be trusted to handle political af- fairs without a leader, and he said they would misconduct themselves at the expense of property and that the government could not go on. He said it was not necessary for a boss to issue orders to executives and Iegis- lative officials; that they found out for themselves that if they did not support the organization they could not get bills through, they could not be renominated and they could not secure funds to carry on campaigns. He said it was to their interests to find out what they should do. and then do it."
 MT. Barnes said: You know the senator Platt) does not bully. He does not have to- He said it was quite sufficient to have it understood that if a man did not stand by or ganization he got punished. Roars of laughter came from the spectators. interrupting the colonel for moment. Then the witness said:
 He got punished and was elimi- mated"
 John Bowers. chief counsel for the defendant asked him this question:
 You say there were similar con versations while you were presi- dcnt?"
 Didn't I say that" asked the col onel pointing to the stenographer. Just read what I said there. Yes. thought I did"
 What else did MT. Barnes say?" asked MT Bowers.
 The colonel crossed his legs and turned to face the jury He replied;
 MT. Barnes said it was not neces sary to ask business men for contri- buttons; that they would not be CO., creed into it. MT. Barnes also told me either at Oyster Bay or at the White House after the election of Governor Hughes, that the orSaniza- tion had complete control of the leg islature. He said that the effort to pass the primary bill represented an effort to break down the party gov ernment, that the democratic and re- publican organizations should make common cause against the legislature On another occasion he said the peo- pie could not govern themselves and that they had to have bosses.
 You mentioned the democrats mak- ing common cause with the repub- Iicans Did you mean all the demo- crats?T asked MT. Bowers. The colonel with d smile replied:
 T said the democratic Organiza- tion."
 "Colonel Roosevelt" said MT. Bow CTS. T show you articles that ap- peared in the New York World in May. 1903. and ask you whether you
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