Strike bulletin. (Clinton, Ill.) 1913-1915, 1915-05-12

| Mr.. Markham don't think | have
changed much. have kept my pripci.
pies the same now as then
Commissioner Garretsou. Now If
TWO men started on the same basis
IRON that same point, and one travel.
ed up through labor unionisn. and
tie other up In the corporation service
what agencies would tend to make
one man less dependable
Mr. Markham Why. 1t would de-
pend again on the man There Is
no answer to "A question like that II
Is like the question. Is II good thing
To send boy To college
commissioner Garr.ison Take your
personal illustration Of "A moment ago
Had you got turned into the other
channel. would you have been less de-.
Iendabl" as the officer of a labor
union than you are as the Presidest
of Railway Compans9
Mr. Markham | would have ben
less dependable for the reason that
my responsibilities would have been
different perhaps IL depends on
whom yon hold him responsible TO.
Commissioner Garretson: ls'at that
"A Hypothetical question. whom you
no d them to?
Mr. Markham: Perhaps
| Commissioner Garrest,e Are YOU
responsible greater to stsk holders
than they are TO man TO places
simply his trusts and Interests In
Your hands,
| Mr. Markham: But ny dear sir
our responsibilities are no confined 20
responsibilities TO the stok holder. We
serve at least quasi-publs institutions
when We serve the railroads OF this
country. and We have duty TO the
public and a duty 10 all the peope
Why on the Illinois Gntral Railroa'
'ss eaSe fifty or sixt. thousand en-
ployes. SO II Is noe-s Hrt th-s pc
have not just as much interest In
those men on a good many consider
atlons as our stockholders. and the
owners OF the property and there Is
the question of service to the public
and giving good service 90 the public.
/ have the three considerations.
| Commissioner Gsrretson Now II
the control was absolute OF all OF the
men who served the Illinois Central
Railway Company and was vested
lin one mans hands
Mr.. Markham: nnterrupting) may
diff.ren.iate between the different
kinds ~ men and so FAR as the orgAni
nation OF which YOU yourself are a
men. and thai as long rs tney arr r,,r
by that class OF men none OF the
things sill happen that I am afraid
OF nut ! am no, so sure Of other or
CARNATIONS outside R the railroad
service and II Is that am afraid OF
and no, those that are purely and
simply railroad men
Commissioner Garretson: But on the
question Of this responsibility. II one
man had the absolute control OF all
the men who served the Illinois Cen
trail. the thing YOU fear. would he owe
less to this same clientele.
Mr. Markham He might not o~s
less but he would give less
Commissioner Garretson: Why
Mr. Markham. don't know. there
comes your theory again. II depend,
on the man.
Commissioner Garretson Then n
fact your attitude Is really based or
your distrust OF men instead OF your
distrust OF the man because he IL ar
official OF a labor union
Mr. Markham Yes.
Commissioner Garretson: And con
saquentiy Won dis,rust the other agent,
OF a corporation In the same degres
II the interests differ In the same de
gree.
| Mr. Markham go largely on m,
experience In the past with such or
carnations as the old nights OF I.abel
and the American Railway Union
wherever they have attempted "a
control the interests mean the re
suits has been bad In the past. and
I am afraid II will he in the future
Commissioner Garretson: Le, m,
ask YOU one question Have you reat
Tridons. New Unionism"'
Mr. Markham: No
Commissioner Garrcisop: Is II not ,
fac, that every laboring man. II h
would hear the doucment which yot
I presented here this morning. IN which
YOU saw they have right to act ir
common with the company. would
cease to be a class organization mar
member Of an Industrial organization
comprising every class that II on IN,
paw roll OF the railroad. for instance
Mr. Markham: 7 should hope so:
would not want to state II as a fact.
Commissioner Garrctson: II II mo-
a classical that Debs could not hav,
produced'
Mr. Markham: What do you NEAR
by that
Commissioner Garretson: An ap
peal to every man who labors 10 max,
common cause with every other mar
who labors for the same employer.
Mr. Markham II Is bound 10 ado
TO the dangers. that sort Of organiIa
ton.
Commissioner Garretson: That Il
the danger to the corporation.
Mr.. Markham: No. II II the DANCE
to the interests OF this country As vel
as to the weli-being OF the companies
not only the corporation but the stock
holders OF the well-being Of the com
panies not only the corporation bu
the stockholders Of the corporation
and the people who depend on tn
corporation for transportation fAcill
tea
Commissioner 0arrstsoa: Who