Daily Kennebec journal. [microfilm reel] (Augusta, Me.) 1870-1975, 1915-04-24
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mo, my understanding is directly th'
contrary
I'm chapter did you refer to Mr.
Baxnes?"
mo. He was not then Of the sam
importance rs Mr.. Plat. and Mr.. Odell
However. when published my auto
biography in 1918. thought the sam
Of Mr.. Barnes as I did when 1 wrot
the article complained Of here"
why did you do that?"
II did not want to make any ma
licious attack on Mr.. Barnes. I re
fused to attack any man in my auto
biography that I could help. In m!
statement I wanted to appeal to tn
voters Of New York state"
Since this action WIS begun hav'
you referred to your autobiography?
Il think I have"
DO you know your language OF
has at times heen identical?"
I don't know. I do not think tina
is the case. 1t might be-"
An Invisible Government
I'm your statement you refer to in
visible government. Now, this is from
your autobiography"
Mr.. WINS read an excerpt that hat
to do with invisible government ant
publicity for campaign contributions.
MIR. WINS went on.
Was there at that time law about
publishing campaign contributions?
Il don't think So
Did you ever mention invisible gov
ernment before your return from AT
rica?"
Il didn't use those words. But 1 re.
ferred to the thing in a message l sem
to Congress in 190S.''
Did Perry Belmont start the move
pent to require publication OF cam
paigE contributions"
HE might have. I urged such q
measure in Congress.
Had you until that time ever callej
the attention Of the voters to dangers
Of invisible government and the neces.
sity Of publishing campaign expenses
Il did"
produce copies of his messages tc
Congress. The Colonel said he would
do so later in the day.
Did you officially mention campaign
expenses and publicity before 1902"
Til have to refresh my memory On
that from my messages"
When did Charles F.. Murphy be-
come the nominal leader of the Dem
ocratic party in New York;"
He was not the nominal leader. He
became the actual leader after Mr..
Croker went to Europe. first in New
York and then throughout the state.
He became dominant"
Who succeeded Mr.. Croker in the
leadership Of Tammany HAll:"
I've told you. Mr.. Murphy"
Don't you know there was a tri-
umvirate in control of Tanlnany
Hall?"
I don't know about that. l know
there was a fight to which several
persons, including Mr.. 'Finsy' will
liam j. Corners Of Buffalo, were
I don't know which side
he was on. l just heard of it,"
well. now, while you were governo :
there Was invisible government, you
say. why didn't you make an attack
then similar to the one you made on
Mr.. Barnes:"
IF they had blocked the legislation
wanted l would have"
Mr. WINS then requested the court
to instruct the witness to answer cat
esoricaily and not go beyond and
make statements.
IF the rules of law are observed
and this witness is treated as any 9th t.
err Witness" began Mr.. Wins.
Justice Andrews raped with his
gavel and said:
Treated Same as Others
Mr.. WINS this witness is treated
the same as other witnesses. l won't
permit any such language here"
Il apologize" said Mr.. WINS, and
continued his cross examination.
Did you ever give any publicity to
the fact that you, Mr.. Platt and Mr..
Odell conferred over a successor for
Louis Payne?"
Il didn't. The newspapers did.
Did you confer with Mr.. Platt
about appointing Mr.. Hendricks COM
missioner of public works."
No. not particularly. Senator Platt
himself offered Mr.. Hendricks the
place." He (Platt) showed a telegram
OF acceptance from Mr.. Hendricks.
AS the witness told this, he laughe
and the spectators joined in with him.
How many times in 1899 did you
see Mr.. Barnes alone?'
I couldn't say. Many times. Some
times would talk to hing in the ex-
ecutive chamber at Albany when 9TH
er people were in the room"
IF Mr.. Barnes said he talked to you
once would you say he was wrons?"
Il would. / had dozen CONVERSE
lions with Mr.. Barnes"
If Mr.. Barnes diary would show he
had one conversation with you alone
and six when other people were pres
ent, would you still say he was
wropg?"
Il would. remember conversations
in club, in the executive mansion and
In a railroad train going to New York
after left the governorship. I had a
with him in the Union
League club.
Invite Barnes
did you invite Mr.. Barnes to the
White House in WASHINGTON?
Yes"
You did that in spite of his mis-
trust to the people and the invisible