New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-05-14

swered. that Mr. BRADY, n Democrat
was a liberal contributor 20 that parry
In Albany, especially m 1898, when Mr..
Roosevelt was running. and that was
one Of tho reason his opponent car
ried the county. As for Mr.. Fruyn'. ne
was Republican anyway. But Mr..
Brady never contributed ono dollar 10
the Republican organization IN Al
hany."
did YOU ever have conversation
with the defendant whom you urged
him not TO sign the bill
What, urging him not to sign me
bill? asked sir Barnes. IN a surprised
tone. "Why. certainly not
"Now, as rccollcct IT, said Mr.
WINS. "thc defendant testified in regard
70 the rcappointmont Of Mr.. Payn as
Superintendent o. Insurance that YOU
told him YOU were not favorable to u,
but Mr. Platt ought 10 be pleased, and
the rcappointment should be made be-
cause Mr.. Iayn was on friendly terms,
with large political contributors. pld
you ever say that
II did not favor the r5Hppointment
Of MIR Pawn and | never had ny idea
that Governor Roosevelt would reap
point him
Denies Saving People Were unfit.
"Mr. Roosevelt testified that you said
the people were not fit to govern
themselves and that you could not
have an organization without money.
Did YOU ever have any such converse
tion with him.
Mr. Barnes replied NO." and a mo-
mcnt later said that while he had had
of a.
conversations with Mr.. Roosevelt on
the general subject.
I'VE had several" the witness con-
tinued. 81 said to him that if We were
90 maintain our party system of gov
eminent IN this country It was neces-
,ary for the parties to be organized
and that no movement of any charac-
ter could ever come to achievement
unless il was organized.
Il never said to Mr.. Roosevelt or
any other man that political organiza-
lions should give protection. Those
who believe in the party Of their
choice have an absolute right to give
10 il as they will. and voters have a
right TO know from candidates how
they will conduct themselves after
they are elected. That was the sub
stance Of my conversations with Mr.
Roosevelt and with very many other
men,"
MIR. Barnes could not recall that he
had ever had a conversation with de-
PENDANT about "rifraif." He said he
did not know what the word meant.
Roosevelt the Leader.
Witness was then led to name the
party leaders in the state from l9O2
down. and he declared Colonel Roose-
welt was the leader in 1906, 1905 and
1910.
Explaining just what he did say to
Governor Hughes, which led TO his be-
ing quoted as saying that II the race
track bill was a matter of conscience
and not of votes they could have no
common ground. Mr.. Barnes said:
The Governor sat al my right at
dinner. During the conversation told
him | thought he was making mis-
take to urge the race track Legislation;
He said he disagreed with me. | told
him il would cost the Republican party
25O0O votes in the coming Preslden-
.ial election. lie said We would gam
two for every one we lost. ! asked
where thoy would come from He said
from The Democrats. He then said
his conscience would never be clear If
his term Of Office expired while the
iniquitous Percy Gray law was on the
books. | said | thought it was votes
we were talking about, and II 1t was
his conscience 1t was no affair Of
mine"
Getting down 10 the conference at
Nr. Roosove!t's house in Oyster Bay
in the summer of 1908, when he, Her
bert Parsons and Francis Hendricks
discussed the denomination of Cover
nor Hughes, Mr. Barnes told how he
had protested against such renomlna-
ton and Mr. Parsons had agreed with
him.
"Nr. Roosevelt made the statement"
Mr.. Barnes said, chat he did not want
his friends to cut their throats again"
Nr. Barnes testified that during the
first two months Of the administration
Of Governor Roosevelt he was suffer
ing from an attack Of nervous prostra-
ton and could not possibly have had
the number Of conversations with Mr.
Roosevelt that were credited to MIN
in the testimony of the plaintiff.