New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-04-24

Il as desirable appointment because
/ he lived in one of the canal towns
A.-Because he lived in a canal towT
and because Mr.. Plat offered him thu
/ appointment and not !.
/ Q.-That is to say because Mr.. Plat
| had suggested Il TO him before he tol'
you about it? A.--No; because Mr.
! Platt had offered him the appointment
/ Q.-How do you know about that
| A.-Because Mr.. Plat handed me Mr.
! Hendricks's telegram accepting the ap
pointment.
Q.-Have you that telegram A
| 7 have not.
Q.-What did you do with IT. A
handed II back to Mr.. Platt. II was
not my telegram.
Voting on Conviction.
Q.-Have you any doubt whatever Of
the proprety or desirability of, say, s
member of the Legislature voting upon
any measures introduced by any party
whatsoever upon and with respect tc
his own convictions concerning the de-
STABILITY Of that legislation. Al
have no doubt Of that, or of il.
Q.--Is it your judgment that because
Democrat voted for a Republican
measure that Of itself established a
conclusion, conspiracy or wrong
At is not.
Q.-You testified the other day that
in one Of his talks with you Mr.. Barnes
expressed doubt Of the ability or capac-
ity Of the public TO govern themselves.
Al did. I didn't say in one talk.
said in many; yes, habitually.
o. want 20 ask you this one ques-
ton: Did you disagree with what you
said Mr.. Barnes said to such an extent
as TO regard him rs an undesirable
companion, comrade, associate and
friend TO be invited 10 your dinner
table? How many times in 1899 did
you see Mr.. Barnes alone? Al
couldn't say. Many times. Sometimes
] would talk TO him in the Executive
Chamber at Albany when other people
were in the room.
OF Mr. Barnes we're 70 testify that
he never had but one conversation with
you alone would you say he was wrong
Al would.
Q.-Now, have you any memoranda
or minutes which fix the time. place,
dates or appointments or conversations
with Mr.. Barnes alone? Al have not.
Testifying from Memory.
Q.-You are. therefore. tcstifying
from your unaided memory? A-From
my unaided memory, plus the fact that
there were certain letters-those by
Mr.. Plat which ! discussed with him.
Odd you discuss those with him
alone. a. Ny memory ia that ! dis
cussed those with Mr. Barnes alone.
do not know any further than ! have
told you already.
Q.-And you made no memorandum
with regard TO those conversations az
all? A-No. I have had dozens of
such conversations with all kinds Of
people.
Q.-You are prepared to swear that
you had dozens Of such conversation
with Mr.. Barnes? Al will say a doz-
EN- think dozens Of such CONVERSE
tons, but that would include could
not tell you the exact number Of con-
versations ! had with him while | was
Governor / could not tell you the
exact number of conversations ! had
with him while was President. But
had a number Of such conversations
and some Of them were when we were
entirely alone
of Mr. Barnes's diary would show
or its face that he only had one con-
versation with you alone and only had
this conversation with you two togeth-
er, would you say that Mr.. Barnes's
memory, aided by his diary, was in
correct, as compared with the memory
which you now express? A.-As re-
CARDS the one conversation with me
alone ! should know he was incorrect.
Q.-Well, you subsequently went 20
Washington as the Nice-President and
afterward as President, and then you
had further conversations with Mr.
Barnes? Al had further CONVERSE
tions with Mr. Barnes.
Q.-Nhile you were President where
were the conversations held all in
Washington? Al believe they were
all in Washington, but there may have
been one or two at Oyster Bay. ! have
forgotten that. / cannot remember
that. But ! do not think that any OF
them were in the City Of New York.
Invited Barnes TO White House.
Q.-Do you remember inviting Mr.
Barnes to visit YOU in Washington ?
Al remember, think on more than
one occasion.
Q.-As host Of the White House
A As host Of the White House.
O. You extended your hospitality 70
Mr. Barnes? Al extended my hos
pitality TO Mr.. Barnes.
Q.-And you did that in spite Of tho
fact Of the invisible empire and mis-
trust OF the people? An spite Of
the fact Of his mistrust of the people.
Q.-And in spite Of the fact OF the
invisible empire" Al do not
know that thought Of Invisible ON
pre- in connection with him at that
time. cannot tel you whether when I
was inviting him, thought Of the "in-
visible empire or not.
Odd you ever have any converse
ton with Mr.. Barnes about Invisible
government while you were Governor ?
A.-About the fact or the phrase
about the fact Of invisible gov
eminent, as being combination e
tween the dominant and controlling
factors in the two parties in the in.
terests of crooked business and cor.
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