New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-07-22

Herman came to Tim four or five
days afterward, and told him how his
bank roll man had disappointed him;
that he had that big house furnished
and on his hands. and he begged and
pleaded with Tim TO loan him more
money, saying that the first time ne
got a hold of anything he would re
pay it. Tim did not have the ready
cash. 80 he gave him two notes Of
50, 500 each, and think, in the course
of a couple Of weeks, Herman repaid
the $4,000 cash that was loaned him,
but in a few days afterward came
back and got a note for $500. Now,
does this look as though Senator sui
lvan was in any way interested IN
the gambling house?
al say now that Senator Sullivan
was not interested in this gambling
house, nor in his lifetime was ne ever
interested in any gambling house;
that is, to any way participate In the
profits"
Apelbaum met Sullivan in Paris in
May, 1912. The Senator was in i'll
health, and seemed to be worried
about Everything" But Big Tim
was not made insane by Rosenthats
troubles or the murder, "and it only
his disease in the knowledge that a
boy he thought a great deal of had
been murdered in cold blood, and that
his name in some way might unwar-
rantedly be brought into it.
When Herman RosenthaPs troubles
commenced TO be aired about the city
and the statements about Becker APP
reared in the papers people came 70
Tim and told him that Herman was
going about town saying these things
and telling people that he, Tim was
back of him in his holler. II worried
Tim in his mental condition. For
over week he was after me every
dav telling me to go and bring Charlie
Becker 10 him, so that he could eN-
plain that he was not back OF Rosen-
thai. | advised strongly against con
Meeting with Becker or mixing up IN
anv way. | told Tim it was none OF
his affair; that the best he could get
would be the worst of it If he mixed
up.
FINALLY, there appeared in the
morning paper statement, ostenslOly
coming from Becker, to the effect that
TIM Sullivan was interested with ko-
seminal, and that he Becker had seen
a note of Tins for $4,000, and, II !
remember correctly, that same morn
ing. or the next morning -Sunday
morning -Rosenthsps affidavit against
Becker appeared. This worked Inn
I'D terribly, and he came to my mouse
early in the morning and insisted that
| must get Becker for him that day
"The only way | knew OF reaching
Rocker was through Jack Rose, so
vent down town looking for Jack, and
found out that the Sam Paul Assocla-
tion were having an outing, and that
toId him OF this. and he said, We'll,
what time can you get him here t.
night after the outing gets I'M / tod
him | would try TO have him there at
Il o'clock.
after the outing returned | went
down TO Fourteenth Street IN my car,
met Jack Rose, Bridge Weber ana
Harry WALTON talking together. ! hen
/ | asked Jack if he could find Becker
lack went to a phone, called Becker
IN: told him that | wanted TO see MN
! He told US to come right up 10 the
house. Jack Rose and | went. toid
Recker OF Tins mental condition;
tina, he wanted TO assure Becker mat
he was not back OF Rosenthai IN ms
saueal; that Tim felt very. badly 10
| think that he. Becker, would mention
/ him in connection with the matter.
Becker told me that he had not
made that statement; that his ieehngs
] toward Tim were most friendly; tnat
he knew that Tim was always trying
to help people, etc. | asked becHer
! 10 come down with me TO meet IN;
I Recker said. Il am very tired, but
will 60 down with you 70 satisfy Tim
First Talk of Croaking.
ION our way down Rose told NE how
Uarman had been talking about his
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