New-York tribune., 1915-02-16
Keeps Up Defence of His
Handling B. R. T. Till
Damper Is Applied.
BOASTS THERE WAS
NO SUBWAY GRAFT
Grows PenSive on Think
ing His Power Will Go
in a Short Time.

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Th,, william Hayward, counsel for
-. ,ommi,,ee, attempted TO draw him
-. confessions that nc had not
,.g.d certain business Of the COM
-..,,o, IS +; should have been handled
-. commissioner talked back to such
eth that sometimes il seemed he
..S confused Nj Hayward as 20 the
real poin, he started on.
Colonel Hayward started out to prove
-. ~. Commissioner. taking up the
- ~ Commissioner William McCar-
III ubonY he succeeded in July, 1872,
- ksn, "str,nR.nC" the Brooklyn pub
"a whether the Brooklyn Rapid
-.,~.,t Company should he compelled
-. now cars for its elevated lines.
v, Williams admitted that the case
4, 1895 was kept open and hearings
,trs adjourned, but he protested that
rss In line with an understanding
sr the whole commission.
Oratory Is Checked.
aJus, A. that time" explained he,
a,bs dual system was being revamped,
,,1 We wanted 70 see just what the
anticipation Of the y. K. ]. would DC,
"a We could determine just what brand
- new cars would be needed.
ayou mean 70 say" roared Hayward,
a.hat il was the consensus OF opinion
.s,. vou should sidetrack the complaints
,,sins, the elevated lines until YOU
,sgld get the cars for the new sys-
EN-
Williams clared, shook MS heavy
Me-. foreIock over his brow. and,
,srrinr 70 Senator Thompson, presid.
nc rrotostcd against having the word
ss'Ss,ratked" put in his mouth. Hay
v,r6 withdrew he wo~d and repeated
,ts question. Banging the table with
N, fst. Williams started on a long
,nsseb. when ne was cut short by the
ttN,maN.
@Vhen Nr. Hayward gets through
,or can make as long n statement sS
rou want" Thompson said.
little later. when the Williams ora
,sry started TO run on high speed, Sen
ror Thomson remarked, dryly;
81 think I'm going TO make little
al, here. When the colonel asks a
sgs,tjon YOU answer il Yes or No
y ssv YOU can't answer. Then you can
-,se A little explanation. So. II you
10 asked If the moon is made OF
rr,sn cheese you might say Yes. and
hen you could say why you believed
Ito be true
Debates on Ressonableness.
Coonel HAYWARD brought out the
,,r. thst the Brooklyn Rapid Transit
l,, nsye- been ordered 20 get new
eer, for us elevated lines. and that the
STEEL cars already received ior me
tsw svs,rr1 cannot be used until the
Elevated structure is strengthened:
Counsel argued that it was the duty OF
,hs commission 10 have ordered the
rev cars two wears ago. as they were
then. and have been SINCE sore!y
reeded.
an. the law SAYS we must be just
and reasonable" eXpostulated the Coih-
missioner. DO you think an ordef TOT
,ht purchase Of cars at Sl5'OOO eaCh'
which would be thrown away, IN elgn-
teen months, would have stood the test
10 the courts
aDid YOU ever hear Of their throwing
away a car" demanded counsel shaK-
inr his finger under the nose OF the
witness.
"No. but"
10 throw away and Hayward osngeo
The table
Harvard irsinuated that McCarroll
had decided that the r. K. T. should De
forced 70 buy the new cars, ana asheo
the witness:
Don't YOU think il was the duty OF
commissioner taking up case 10
ascertain the conclusions Of his prede-
nssor?"
Sees Passing of Power.
%The responsibility was McCarrolPs
no longer" shouted Williams, with
Trash Of his fist on the table. 1T was
nine, and | used my best judgment;
NeCsrroll's responsibility was gone ana
Williams calmed down and grew re-
aeetiyel gone Just as | suppose mine
Till be gone in short time, and the
responsibility will be on my successor
y congratulate the witness on an
iWsring the question properly, was
ihe extra dry comment Of Senator
thompson.
Senator Cromwell, interceding for
Williams. suggested that II might oe
veil 70 permit him 10 give a little his
tory Of the work Of the commission,
which, he said. kept him up nights and
Sghdsys Early in the session Senator
thompson said he could do so after
as examination was over.
Is that a threat or 8 promise ="
snapped back Williams
Somehow or other the commissioner
eid not get the chance he wanted. Pos
noly he will get in his personal state
ntnt when the next session Will be
4 held
he did get this on the record during
one Of mis- flights OF oratory:
There has been no highway or canal
sandal in this work lthe witness evil
"hiy thinking II was a good chance
D = take a fall out OF the state solons).
4 ssH think Of giving a franchise for
.osr-trsek subway up Broadway with
e.l penny Of graft, or even cam
lslgn contribution, and not cent OF
1s peoples money going where II
nould not go, Why, Boss Tweed
4 seald turn over in mis- grave II he
neS about IT,"
Attacks Subway Contracts.
DO you mean 90 tell me-" asked
award, cutting the witness short and
sdnng toward him with upralsed
.sger, that the profit on that section
ne Lexington Avenue subway below
.orly-second Street did not 80 where
hoelo not have gone! 1our ehRI-
eefs had reported that the work was
useless expenditure and the section
~ been practically abandoned, yet
1 Bradley Construction Company
eos men of other sections 10 rush
ha At cost Of $1,000 day for forty
:. Don't talk 20 me about that Lexing,
o. Sa Avenue subway contract" replied
A.H
isady to vote on it at any time. No
nan under heaven knew at that time
.hether the dual contracts would be
sntd or not. No one knew whom
4 sl1er would appoint as chairman OF
i 1t cOnuiectnp Waut 10 Albany