Weekly journal-miner., 1915-02-24
LIFTING OF LID REVEALS MANY
 QUEER THINGS
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 I had called the attention of the pc lice to these different places, and I heard that there were different people gambling in there, some prominent men.
 Q. That is what I want to know. Wasn't your information MT. Brawner was one of those? A. No, sir.
 9. You say as matter of fact that no one has ever called your at tcntion to that matter except MT. Heard? A. Mir. Heard called my at tention to that afterwards, and there was a rumor on the streets, that Oscar Irwin would come out and make an affidavit that Mir. Brawner was gambling up there in the Baum place, and 1 didn't pay any more attention 10 that than 1 paid to other reports that prominent men were gambling. They were not only doing 1t there, they were doing it in the Arizona Club, and the Moose Club, and up over the Crystal Bar, at the Adams Hotel, but I could not get the evi- dence on those fellows. It was not the players I was after; it was the big guns, and he was in the same cate gory with the other fellows.
 
 Q. Is it not fact that you told MT. Shaw in that interview that if you had known of this charge, you would not have appointed him, but you had given him your word and was going to stay with it? A. l told Mir Heard it, and possibly told Mir Shaw too, because he came to me after that.
 Q. Didn't Col. Coggins come to see you about this matter too? A. No, I went to Col. Coggins, and laid this whole thing out, and also to Mir Blair of the Y. M. C. A., and Mir. Scarlett, and told them the condi tions
 Q. Did anyone ever recommend MT. Brawner's appointment to you? A. A good many did. He is man that has a good many warm friends, and a good many enemies. A strong man always has.
 Q. Isn't it fact that Col. Breathitt did Yes. sir, Col. Breathitt came came down the street and said, q am glad you are going to put Walter Brawner in" 1 was standing talking with MT. McDougal at the bank, and Mir. Cope and I were standing there talking, and he said, q want to com pliment you on the way you handled that chief of police proposition" That is what he told me, and that is what other men told me.
 Q. He is connected with the South 1 crn Pacific Railroad Company, is he not? A. l presume he is.
 Q. You gave then no significance to the report of Mir Brawner's gamb- ling? A. No more than l did to the report coming to me of prominent citizens.
 Q. You were not more interested | than in the rumors of other promin- cnt citizens? A. I was trying to abolish this gambling in the town. was after the people that ran the games I tried to get evidence upon which to suppress it, and fixed up an ordinance and brought it to the commission, and they would not pass it. And I could not get the county to do anything.
 Q. And for that reason, you were indifferent? A. There is no law nere to prevent a fellow from playing playing cards. There is law against the man that runs the game. Now a fellow can play poker and not break the law, and you know it as well as I do. l will tell you one thing. would rather have chief of police in there that does know something about gambling if had to catch them rather than one that didn't.
 Q. Upon the theory of thief catch -hief?" A. Yes, sir, upon the theory If thief catch thief"
 Q. Then you regarded the reputa- ion of Mir. Brawner in participating n games as a qualification rather han disqualification? A. It would pc in way, yes, sir, but 1 satisfied myself in my own mind that MT. Brawner was a hrst-class man in every way. The only thing I heard against him was that Oscar Irwin was going to make an affidavit that he vas gambling, and MT. Orme said he wasn't a fit man because there was some mix-up in the Cave Creek dis rict, the democrats wrangling among themselves, and he brought in a re- port which purported to be an investi- ,ation of these charges, and recom- nended that these charges be kept !uiet.