New-York tribune., 1915-10-17


and said that in addition 20 their orig
inal value 20 the child they would com
pei by their competition q better class
Of pictures.
The feature Of the Gary plan that
contemplates religious training was
discussed by both sides yesterday NJ.
Writ said the state should make It's
system elastic enough t1 allow the
child a chance 90 receive this training
each day. However. he opposed any
plan calling on the regular teacher 20
give religious instruction.
That's one critic em ~ the Gary
plan" said Mr. Wiz "The churches
say the burden is cast on them OF pro
viding teachers ! think that's right.
would have the children go 70 sun
day school a short time each day ana
not before school begins. or after
school when they are tired.
Gary Plan Criticised
After Mr. Writ, DR.. Ettinger made
his talk.
81 am content 10 reach Mr.. Wirt's
ideal Of the welfare of tho child, but
not 20 follow in his path said pr. ~
finger. adding that u was unfair 70
compare his system with the "lrt plan
"Nr. Wirt has explained 20 me sew
cral things about New York schools
did not know" said Or. Euinger. i
want 10 tell him that our teachers do
know how 20 organize Fairgrounds and
that the periods after o'clock are not
wasted" .,
DR.. Ettinger said that by the "dupli-
cate schools" now I'm use New York was
taking care of 10000 children who
would otherwise be on part time, ~
addition 10 the $4,000 now on part time
and the duplicate schools did not
cost "a cent"
He disapproved Of the Gary methods
Every child should have a seat all
dav. ard not be sent from pillar TO
most over the school. He should be
under the guidance Of a regular teacher
and not be sent under the changing
care of several" The veteran school
teacher defended his own plan. saying
the city should wait until "the present
experiment" is passed upon before
doing anything.
An advocate Of the Gary plan because
IL does away with part time. was JohT
Martin. Of the Department Of Educa-
tion. He said he had welcomed 1t from
the beginning because of that reason,
and also refused TO be turned away
from IL.
I'VE all held up to a few years ago
the idea DR.. Ettinger still holds tha,
every child should have a seat sald
Mr.. Martin. "but we realize 1t IL en-
tirelv beyond the control OF the city
TO build enough schools TO catch ap
with the demand. We recognize TIE
Gary plan not only as palliative. but
as a cure for part time. In the n'Nt
wear I think we can eXterminate part
time"
Religious Phase Dangerous.
The Writ plan was not claimed as
perfect. said Mr. Martin, but he de-
clared il had improved greatly on -1r.
Ettinger's plan. and suggested that Or.
Ettinger and his friends accept the bet
ter parts Of the Western school scheme.
zone word Of caution!" said Mr..
Martin. 81 recognize that parents VINO
desire religious instruction for their
children are justified, and the schools
should not be so organized that an =
superable barrier. giving religious IN
struction through the church's repre-
sentatives, be inter7osed. But me
question is fraught with danger ne
Board Of Education would not be luStl-
fed in going forward with that part OF
the plan unless the experiment SHOWS
that all the church organizations faVor
Il. Thus the Board Of Education would
be cleared Of any insinuation or strlv,,
ing at sectarian education. am told
the Jewish newspapers on the East
Side are starting a campaign. against
this part Of the plan. II II should be
- - ah
should take this position with any
unanimitv. il wonld not prove fasible
10 proceed with this aspect Of the
scheme. The question of religious edu-
cation is for the parents themselves 70
determine"
Director Howard W. Nudd, Of the
public Education Association, intro
duced as "the Sir Galahad Of New
York's educational system" said: up
10 date we have not solved the part
time principle. If we do, we must DO
II through a fundamental change. And
that's why | defend the Gary plan"
William +. Grady. principal OF School
81. Avenue b and East Tenth street. IN
which the Cary system is now Delng
tried out said:
at would be a calamity to assume
that you should affect the destinies OF
n million children in one year" lie
admitted that "the injection OF super
intendent Writ into the situation has
released for experimental purpo es
large ar.ount of m -ney that would
otherwise not have been available.
A very enthusiastic advocate OF the
Gary system was Angelo Patri, SUPER
intendent Of School 40. COL East 11Oth
Street, The Bronx. in which the Gary
system. is also being demonstrated. Mr.
Patri had made trip TO Gary to watch
Mr.. Wirt's scheme in operation.
when | saw them ! said TO myself,
Those are real schools for children TO
grow. in still believe they are the
finest type Of school. The old school is
dead. We've attended its funeral-no,
we haven't-we've put Grape on its door,
but we haven't attended its funeral"
Mr.. Patri said.
Mrs. Alice Barrows Fernandez. direc-
tor of the Vocational Educational Sur
vey. said: al have heard it said il would
be n calamity 10 adopt the Writ plan
at once. Isn't il a calamity for chill
dren to have TO attend schools in the
schools present condition, instead Of
school where they may have work, play
and study"
Two other speakers were DR.. G. F.
Sullivan. of the Boys High School, Of
Brooklyn, and Peter J. Brady, who an
nounced in behalf of organized labor
that the workingman, because his chill
dren were so vitally affected, always de-
sired 10 participate in any discussion
bearing upon changes in the schools.
Peril SEEKS 100000 LOAN