New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-04-22
Wins Objects Again.

Mr.. Ivins-I object 70 thSI'
Witness used it because 1t was
term used by Senator Davenport 20 me;
MIR. Ivins-And for no other purpose
A.-No other purpose.
Colonel Roosevelt am repeating
the statement made to me by senator
davenport. 1t was made to me on two
80 thron occasions; on certain Occa-
sions he said the machine Republicans
Il think more often he said, the
Rarnes Republican Senator'S" And that
was the conversation | had with Mr.:
Davenport. Senator Newcomb described
Substantially the same thing. lie used
the EXPRESSION Of the machine-no, the
senator did not say to me that he mad
aeon Barnes in the room; 1t was SEN
ator Davenport who said to me that he
had seen Barnes in the room Senator
Newcomb said to me that the Barnes
Republican Senator'S held a conference
and the Tammany Hall Democratic
Senators followed Grady after con-
terence to get their neads together and
heat the Hughes, or Independent, SEN
ators. and described TO me the Jeer OF
one of the Barnes Republican Sena-
Mr.. Ivns-I object to that as i'm
O,-Described to you the jeer Of
whom? A.-Of a Barnes Republican
Mr. ivins-I object, and | understand
YOUR honor not TO admit that.
The Court-No; that is immaterlal;
Q-Is that all? Do you know the
name of the bill in question! Al
don't remember the name OF the PHI;
Q-Isn't it the Phillips bill-Meade-
~ nod forOOtfpn-
Wants to Refresh His Mind.
Q.-Do you remember Mr.. Barnes
speaking to you regarding any oInsI
legislative matter where Senator Aids
was concerned? Al do. May ! De
allowed TO refresh my mind by looking
nv that "McClure's" article to see what
It contains? &c..
The Court-Yes, when we adjourn.
Mr.. Ivins-I fail to find any plead
ing Of any combination between Demo-
cratic and Republican Senator'S.
The Court-Perhaps used the wrong
words-"any combination" | will allow
them to give in mitigation any evidence
in regard to the fact that the Demo
cratic and Republican Senators voted
together for Mr.. Aids as president OF
the Senate.
Mr.. Ivins-There is no allegation to
that effect There is no definition or
distinction az to who they were.
The Court-"That under the leader
ship of Senator Grady, the leader IN
the Senate, votes of majority OF the
Democratic minority were cast for Mr.
Aids. the candidate of the Republican
caucus"
Mr.. Ivins-Down to that point?
The Court-Yes.
Mr.. Ivns-Ano no further.
Odd you believe the statements
that were made to you by Senator
Davenport and Senator Human? A
| believed it absolutely.
Believed What He Read.
Odd you believe all you read in
the article in "McClure's Magazine"
Al believed it absolutely. think
early in 1910 it became necessary
to elect a president who was to be
president Of the Senate, and the Off
cial leader of the majority party. the
Republican party, chosen as such IN
caucus by the Republican Senators.
Senator Newcomb told me that the ma
chine Senators chose State Senator
Aids for that position; that a section
of the independents or Hughes anti
machine Senator'S, Republican Senators,
voted at the caucus, and that they
would not support Aids, leaving the
machine men unable to elect Aids by
their own votes-lack of majority IN
the Senate-and Senator Newcomo
then informed me that Senator Grady
and a number of the Tammany Sena-
tors then voted for Mr.. Aids as presl-
- Ctlf H.
Der. using his words. of the machine
Democrats Joining with the machine
Republicans-I think he said the
Barnes Republicans, but it may have
been the machine Repubicans-to elect
Aids president of the Senate. so ne
was elected president of the Senate by
two bodies Of machine Democrats and
machine Republicans-enough Demo
Gratis voting together TO Offset indie
pendent Republicans that refused TO
support Mr. Aids to render the ma
chine unable to elect him by their own
votes. and the deficiency was supplied
by the votes of Senator Grady and the
machine Democrats who went with
him.
Senator Newcomb asked me to re-
member that the machine Democrats
not only voted TO make Aids president
of the Senate, but they voted 70 make
him leader Of the Republican party in
the Senate. so that Aids was made
leader of the Republican party IN the
Senate by Tammany votes under the
leadership of Grady.
Mr.. Bowers-DO you remember
that Senator Newcomb made any refer
ence to the action Of certain Republi-
can Senators at the time of the cleo
ton OF Mr.. Aids as temporary chair
man. Do you remember what it was he
said TO you? A.-Senator Newcomb
also informed me that the combination
between the machine Democrats and
the Barnes Republicans, which resulted
in Mr.. Allds's nomination, held during
the early stage of the proceedings
against Mr. Aids, by which he was i'm
peached for bribery and thrown out OF
the Senate months afterward.
Mr.. Iyins-I object, as a matter Of
fact he was not thrown out of the
Senate, he resigned; he was not i'm
peached, and We cannot try that case
here.
The Whether he was or not
/ is entirely immaterial. This is merely
what was told TO the witness. Whether
it was actually true or not is entirely
immaterial
/ Mr.. Ivins-Suppose he put in the
, first chapter of Genesis?
/ The Court-If il was material, as
hold this TO be, would admit it.
Mr.. Roosevelt continues And that
after almost all the other members of
] the combination had abandoned the ef-
fort 10 defend Mr.. Aids, Senator Grady
still made a speech in his behalf.