South Bend news-times. (South Bend, Ind.) 1913-1938, 1915-07-08
THAW ON STAND
UNDERGOES GRILL
WITH CALMNESS
Keeps Temper at All Times Ex-
Cept Once or Twice When He
Refuses to Answer Questions
at All.

NEW YORK. July S-After two
hours and half OF strenuous cross
examination at the hands Of Deputy
Atty. Gen. Cook today, Harry X.
Thawat luncheon recess Of court was
las fresh as a daisy" calm, uneX-
cited and amisble. tie failed 10 lose
his temper at any point. and answered
all questions calmly and concisely. ex-
cept in one or two instances. when
he refused pOint-blank to answer at
all.
The examinauc of Thaw took place
before a court rom crowded TO its
utmost capacity. mostly by women.
Thaw will probably be on the stand
all of today and tonight's session.
Thaw Is Jaunty.
Thaw stepped jauntily TO the chair,
with backward glance at his
mother He gave his birthplace as
Pittsburgh, and his age as A.
Deputy. Atty. Gen. Cook conducted
a rather jerky discrimination, not
questioning Thaw in chronological or
der. He first asked Thaw when he
last was disturbed about any reports
he had heard about himself.
In 1912" Thaw answered. "Mr.
Jerome at that time made aspersiOns
about me and White which 1 re-
scented.
when have you been angry or dis
turbed since2"
AT no time that 1 recollect."
do you think anybody is trying to
keep you in Matteawan?"
Nobody but Mr.. Jerome. / think
no rich man il now aiding Jerome or
YOU to keep me in Matteawan."
Did you ever think that certain
rich men were trying TO keep you in
Matteawan?"
yes"
when do you think they ceased?"
"In 1912"
Nervous at First.
Thaw at first appeared slightly
nervous, but this quickly wore off
and when he got into the swing OF his
testimony ne was calm and self
possessed and he spoke slowly and
distinctly. He wore the familiar dark
blue suit and black tie He sat with
crossed legs. one hand on the chair
rail. With the other he stroked his
chin. on his lap was a bundle of
papers.
Thaw showed no luminosity toward
Cook and seemed in q good humOr.
He answered all questions frankly
and readily except a few that he re-
fused point-bla TO answer.
Did you understand that these rich
men were going TO Jerome's financial
aid ?" asked Cook.
Il did"
What made you think that"
Il read it in the newspapers, and
also was told it,"
Have you. at any Of your recent
trials had this Information in shape
TO present to the court p
Fears No Conspiracy.
why should ii be presented to the
court? The question before the court
now il whether I am sane. L do not
believe that any such conspiracy
against me now exists.
What made you think there was
a conspiracy of rich men against
you?" Cook asked.
II was told So Thaw replied. 81
had that impression from several peo-
pie"
Cook demanded that Thaw state ex-
actly what had been told him and
Thaw replied:
I refuse to answer"
Cook did not press the matter fur
ther.
Mother Comes Early.
Mrs Mary Copley Thaw and Mrs.
George l.. Carnegie were among the
first women In the court room. They
sat within the rail and listened TO
Thaw's testimony with intense inter-
est. From time 10 time Thaw glanced
at his mother and smiled.
Thaw admitted he knew Mrs. Susan
A Merrill. He had known her quite
n long time, he said.
What were your relations with
herr" Cook asked.
II ranted a room of her for the
purpose of carrying on my investiga-
ton of the ruin of young girls"
Cook then dropped the Merrill sub
ject and produced a letter that Thaw
wrote last summer from Concord. y.
H.. in which he asked the recipient, a
woman, to ask her state senator and
assem- blyman TO vote for the proposed
bill providing for Thaw's release. The
letter referred TO jerome and those
behind him"
why did you write that letter ?"
asked Cook
MIR. Cook" said Thaw. IF you
really want 20 know why / wrote the
letter I'll tell you. but it will take me
couple OF hours TO do it,"