New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-04-24

] nut ~, WIN MIN. WI" IT.,
question of acting In my ohcial w.
LIN or vitbout reference to the fact
that contributions had been MADE 10
campaign funds by business men VIM
were not of the same political party
Strong. Efficient Lieutenants.
o. call your attention TO this sen
tence in your autobiography 9 Vr.e
his strongest and most eihclent heu'
ants we're disinterested men OF nIsu
character" Did you include Mr pai .iieo
in that list? A.-That sentence ""s
not written while | was In Albany as
cn,,ornor II was written in 1912 or
1918, when | wrote the BOOK ana 'no"
/ did not include Mr. Barnes.
/ O.-I want TO know whether or NOT,
when Won were In Albany, In 1879 ana
1900. YOU in your list included MT
Rarnes as one Of "the efficient lieuten,,
ants of Mr. Platt, disinterested and OF
HIGH character" referred to in your
hook? A-Mr. Wins. that Is not
question that | could answer by yes
or no. Do YOU wish me to answer e@-
actly as feel about itg
of YOU cannot answer IL by yes or
no. | do not care for your feelings
want 10 know whether you can answer
YES or no. A.-Then / must answer
you no. ~
did not so regard him as dlslhVeF1
ested man of high character, why ala
YOU invite him to the Executive Man
sion? Why did you consult MN IN the
! Capitol? Why did you associate WIN
! him? Why did you advise with MN
/ A.-Because / thought he was ABOVE Ihe
average of the ordinary political leader
! I thought that his morality was at Ieasi
| level with the common political ana
| business morality as | found it ex-
/ messed nj that time. ! believed thaI
| he had IL in him, IL ne would abandon
| those standards, to become most use
/ full public servant, and | believed that
| there was a good chance for his so be-
coming. 800
Odd you discuss his moral stand
ards with him? Al expressed a DIS
agreement with him, yes.
Jekylls and Hydes.
Odd YOU discuss with him then
| the question as to whether or not ne
was good, average Republican cltl-
zen? Al did not say that to him. !
said that ! thought he could S9come
very good citizen.
$50 that while you were there as
Governor YOU were acting as monitor
of Mr.. Barnes in the effort to develop
his political character make good,
useful citizen of him, is that what l
understand? A.-Only TO this extent, |
Mr.. Twins: That with all-with those /
men whom ! met found that they had |
two characters, a good character and a .
bad character, a DR.. Jekyll and Mr. .
HYDE. and there were a few Of them
that were absolutely straight and up
right and disinterested, few OF them
that were hopelessly vile, and most OF
them had a mixed character, and my
constant effort was to appeal 10 the
side that was decent and get the man
TO act rightly, and II he would act
rightly / would not bring up ms past
against him at all, | would be only too
glad to hail him as a decent man and
do the best / could in company with
him. And I never broke with him or
with any man until / became convinced
that il was hopeless TO get the good
side out of him.
Q.-Then you regarded Mr.. Barnes
as, in a measure, DR.. Jekyll and MI
HYDE. Al do.
O.-You testified that you twice APP
pointed Mr.. Barnes 10 Office A.-IWlce
appointed Mr. Barnes TO Office. He was
in Office and twice reappointetd him.
Mr.. Wins then quoted a letter ad-
dressed My dear Barnes" reading, 1T
was a pleasure to send your reappoint-
meut to the Senate to-day
On this last sentence you eX-
pressed what you meant when you said
gladly? A.-Ies, sir.
Hopeless Case After 1911.
Q.-Then which Mr.. Barnes, Mr..
~ L 4
you appoint 10 office and express your
pleasure in appointing? Al appoint
ed Mr.. Barnes 20 the Office, and until
1910 / hoped that we were going 20 get
the Dr. Jeyll Barnes side uppermost,
and did not abandon hope Of it until
after 1871.
Q-And IS not the implication in
your answer that the Jeykll side was
not uppermost at the time you made .
this appointment? A.-That is not the .
implication at all | thought there .
were both sides in him; / did not .
know which was uppermost. | was try .
ing 10 do the best | could 10 get the .
DR.. Jekyll side uppermost, but | did .
know that the Treasury Department .
had officially reported to me that he .
had done his duty we'll and should be .
reappoiuted. l acted on the Treasury .
Department official report to me.
Q-This question OF severing the .
licaments between the Siamese Twins, .
Jekyll and Hyde, did not arise, did it, .
until you and he had ceased to agree .
A-Oh, no, sir. There was no question .
Of severinc the ligaments, il is the .
absorbing of one by the other. Mr.. .
Barnes was only one Of a thousand .
public men with whom l was dealing
no l.ef- n rot Tho haer I
could.
According to your testimony you
were endeavoring 10 reconstruct Mr.. .
Barnes, keeping him I'm office in the
meantime? Al was endeavoring 10 .
appeal 10 what was best i'm him, and
in that sense reconstruct him.
Q.-Is your memory in respect TO
that just as god as your memory in
respect 20 matters you have testified
70 concerning the Lincoln dinner in
1911? At is substantially correct
In most cases.
Used the Word "Wanton."
Q.--Do you know whether or not in
your testimony this morning you used
the words "wantonly attack and humil-
iate"? Al probably used the word
"wanton'; whether ! used the word
Illuminate OF not 90 Iob Know.
may have. ! remember using the word
"wanton"; I do not remember the exact
phraseology I used this morning.
Q.-Whcn did you last look over this
chapter on the history of your Gov
enorship? Showing witness his auto
biography A. should say I looked
over it about four or five months ago;
| cannot be sure.
Q.-Then if there be a similarity OF
phrases, IL is because of phraseological
persistence In your mind, is it not?