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Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17
Victoria Baseball Club
May Be Dropped Out

Seattle Wash, June l7.-With the
life of the Victoria club hanging by a
thread, and the death of the league
itself looming as possible eventual.
ity, President Blewett, Of the NTth'
western Baseball league made hur-
ried trip to Victoria last night in an
effort to adjust the Victoria team s
troubles.
President bingham quit the Bees
cold yesterday when the players refused
to accept a cut in salary. Coincident
with Kingnam's leap overheard from
the foundering ship, Bob Brown was
about to throw up the sponge in Van
cOuver. The Vancouver Electric rail
way heaved the Vancouver club line
and has promised its financial assist
ance through the season.
The league has taken over the Vie
toria club and will pay salaries.
Whether the Victoria club will cen
tnue or the franchise be transferred
to some other place is problematical.
d. Il. Dugdale, president Of the Seat.
tie club declares that the directors are
not apprehensive concerning the fate
of the league itself as q result of the
difficulties ON the Canadian side. He
says the league will be cut to fCnr team
before the magnates would agree to
band.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17
No More TOOthless
Period of Existence

SAN rancisco, June 1.-THE timc has
passed when the mouths or the aged
will he toothlcss,
Dr. Johu Un Lloyd, physician and
author, announced at the annual con.
Ncution Of the Eclectic Medical asso.
clntiou today that the hitherto incur.
able disease Of pyorrhoca mad been con.
quered, Physicians have been expert.
mcntug for hundreds Of years, every
one of thcm with alcresta and ipecac
in their lahalorcs, said DR.. Lloyd, but
none thought Of combining the two
products. nrs, Johns and Bass Of New
Orleans first made the applications and
today it was announced that the United
states government has adopted the new
cure.
"rwothirds Of tae people Of th,
world are afflicted with pyorrhoca,
said DR., Lloyd, "With the discover,
this disease can be cured in from thre,
| to 10 DAYS,
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17
MuItnOmah Would Play
University of California

Portland, Ore, June 1.-THE Multi.
nomah Amateur Athletic club football
team of Portland is anxioNs to secure
a game with the University Of Califor-
MIA this fall Manager Dow Walker
announced today.
Walker said the clubtes would play
under any condition the Californians
cared to impose,
As a consequence or the athletic
break between Stanford and California,
followed by the dscarding Of the rugby
game by the latter institution, Walker
hopes that room will be left ON the
schedule for match with his sturdy
boys.
Ralph Stroud, graduate manager of
the U. of o., WAS expected to be here
today, but according to advices from
Seattle, where he contracted for n game
with the University of Washington, he
took the Shasta Limited there yester.
day without any intention of stopping
over. Word from the University Of
Oregon at Eugene was to the effect
that Stroud had not made his appear
anco there.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17
Golfers Tee OFF For
American Open Championship

Bultusrol Golf Club, Short Hills, N.
j, June l7.--Play for the American
open golf championship itself began
here today,
AS the "a quaIificrs teed Off in pairs,
Francis Ouimet, former open champion
and present amateur champion was the
only amateur favored at all in the bet.
ting and his chances were not figured
to equal those Of several professionals,
These are Gil Nichols, Of Wilmington,
Del, "Jimmyn Barnes, Of White
Marsh; Jack Bowling, Of Scarsdalc, and
Walter Hagen, Of Rochester. The lat.
ter, one Of the youngest of the entrants,
is the present open champion.
Thirty.siX holes will be played today
and SO tomorrow the player turning in
the lowest card for the four rounds
taking the title.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17
OhitnarY.

Elijah Reese was born on January .,
1910, in Ohio, In 1858 he was married
to Eleanor IL. Ballard to which union
were born eight children all OF whom
survive their parents. In 1878 they
moved to Oregon, locating eight miles
east of Silyerton, staying there until
1908, thence moving to Buttcville for
one year and lastly to four miles east
of Candy whore Mr., Reese died on last
Monday, June = his wife having pre-.
coded him some IL years previously.
Both Mr. Reese and his wife were
life long members Of the Methodist
church, and did much to help the
church in the early days. He was also
Il member Of the Grand Army Post of
this place The surviving members OF
are. Freeman aud Beverly Of Antel
ope, Elmar of Woodburn. Mrs. Belle
Kiuscy and Mrs. Minernu Den Mur
ply of Antelope, Mrs, John Coldwel
of Candy and Mrs. l., Titus, Mrs
Myrtle Worth Of Stayton,
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17

and in the professional teacher We be-
lieve the boys and girls Of Oregon
should have the best Of training u
order to prepare them for the Fea,
work which ovails every citizen Of OUT
rapidly developing state, We believe
that knowledge gained from books !
insignificant in comparison with tns
knowledge gained from contact Sl'a -
great teacher, such as the standard and NJ
ideals of our Alma Mater develop No
believe that the school should Dc I
place of culture and refinement 1i, Ss wen S..
as discipline and instruction. We ,.,,os DE-
lievc in the parent.teachcr aSSoCla.VII lIlS +
which is uniting the home and SCHOOL,
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17
Vancouver VIII Finish
Present Baseball Season

Vancouver b, C., June l7.-It seem.
cd assured today that the Vancouver
baseball club win survive the present
Northwestern league season. Bob
Brown manager of the club, had in.
tended to forfeit hio franchise, hut thu
British Colonial Railway company
came to his financial rescue Yesterday
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17
CALIFORNIA TO PLAY FOOTBALL.

seattle, Wash, June Nv Washington
university football team aud the Uni.
yersty of California win play two
games of American football nest fall
Contracts were sigucd for these ycs,cr.
day afternoon hy j. Arthur Younger. of
the University OF Washington and john
A. stroud, manager Of athletics for the
University Of California. The rrst
game win he played at Berkeley no.
vembcr l3 in Seattle, Washington rules
of eligibility will govern The con.
tracts await the official ratification of
the board of control Of the student
body at California.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17
Semi-FinalS In Oregon
Golf Championship Now On

Portland Ore, June 1.-THE semi.
finals in the men golf championship
Of Oregon were being played on the
Wayerly links today vita Russell
smith, M, II, llartwell, Rudolph vii.
helm aud G, Il, Lewis contesting.
Forest Watson, the l7ycarold phe
nomcnon, whose playing Tuesday was
sensational, was eliminated yesterday
by Smith.
Mrs, Peter Kerr, Mrs. Victor John
son, Mrs, Thomas Kerr and Mrs. q. II
Mayes were participating the semi.fin
ais for the women s state championship
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17
SEATTLE MAN GOLF STAR.

BaltuNol Golf Club, short Hills. n.
Jo June lI-,lamcs W. Barnes, for.
merly of Scuttlc, now professional at
PHILADELPHIA, cQualled the record Of
the course in the first round of play for
the American open golf championship
here today, llc turned In card OF
3S'33.7l Robert G. Mcdonald, of Buf
falo, scored within one stroke OF
Barnes. Barnes card follows:
Out-ld3, 5ll, 5i3-SS.
ln-3lS, lll, l43-33-7i.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17
SIGN LOCAL PLAYERS.

San Francisco, June IT, Manager
Walter McCredic, of Portland, intimat.
ed today that he would attempt to sign
Roy Bliss, local southpaw twirlcr. Bliss
is youngster, but is the sensation of
semi pro circles. He has allowed an av.
eragc Of only three hits per game this
HenSnn.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17
HILL LINER BEETHED

Portland, Ore, June 1.-THE ..,1iI hnI
liner Northern Pacific was Oel,1,s 0i13,,
here, here today for repairs to her =, I,dos ,l1
which was disabled during 9SI 99rIsl a'' Ss Sss
from San Francisco to ElaveL .iL,, INV "
was ipsi brought up the Columbia Fiv'' "'
tugs.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17
GENERAL COCKTAILS TO RETIRE

Washington, June IT, General
George W. Goethals, builder of the
Panama canal will retire in the fall,
after completing the canal estimates
for the next fiscal year, the war de.
portment announced today. =tAakn
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17


more than four runs.
Higginbotham was the big disturb
ance in the Portland Oaks game, But
for the fourth inning when he was
nicked for four hits and two runs, the
Beaver pitcher would have smeared the
wihtewash. At all other times he was
inyincible.
Two singles and double were lined
out by Orr in aiding the Bees to walk
over the Tigers. The Venice bunch also
rendered much assistance by making
four errors.
Tyler drew the honor Of turning up
the first victory Of the season over the
Cubs for the Boston Braves. The Braves
drove Cheney to cover,
The Giants kept at it and finally
nosed out u victory over the Cincinatti
Reds though it took Innings to turn
the trick,
Walter Johnson had the smoke on the
ball against the White Sox. He yield
ed only four hits and famed eight
men.
Ty Cobb actually lost game for the
Tigers. With both Dauss and Wickoff
pitching three hit games, Cobb spilled
the beans when he dropped the ball, at.
tempting to make throw in, after
Barry had tripled
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17

Block was the only Seal failing to
get hit in the bombardment of Los
Angeles twirlers. AT that the Angels
outhit the San Francisco bunch IL
swats to II, but they failed to produce
more than four runs.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17

But, even at that, what our raioh.
oors think about us isn't apt to be
very far out of the way. Wv w W
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17

Prince Albert 10 sold eVerywhere beeauss
the demand for il is uniUersdL So tOhcreosp
handisSt shop that sells tobacco and buy tho
toppy red bag for a jitney piece. Sc; tidy red
tin, Zoe; handsone pound and H-pound
tin humidors; and that classy crystdi-8tdss
pound humidoT with sponge. .moiAtensT ton,
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17
Yesterday s Results.

Yesterdays Results.
At San FranciscO-POrtland
5, Oakland 2.
At Los Angeles-San Fran
cisco 3, Los Angeles A.
At Salt Lake-Sale Lake 7,
Venice 3.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17

No wonder woman seldom knows
ner own mind; she changes ii 50 often.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17

WHY does the self.made man n'''
suffer from remorsei
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17
Watching the ScOrebOard

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Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17
Sport Neus
COAST LEAGUE STANDINGS

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Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17

Here is another just, elected member
ofthe Prince Albert oId-time jimmy
pipers club" This is John O'Reiiiey,
of East Providence, r. l., who has
Just passed the century mark. Mr..
O'Reiiiey is one of those grand old
men who has come TO this ripe age
with the joys of his friendly jimmy
pipe fresh in his mind each morning.
He has always been liberal smoker
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1915-06-17

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The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1915-10-02
ELIAS R. MONTFORT IS
NEW G. A. R. LEADER
Defeats Two Opponents on
First BallOt-NctcranS Clear
L. s. Public Printer.

WASHINGTON. Oct. Capt. Elias r.
Montfort OF Cincinnati was elected
Commander In Chief OF the G. A. r.
this afternoon, defeating two other
candidates. Frank o. Cole Of New Jersey
and W. j. Patterson Of P%ittsburg. The
vote on the first ballot was Montfort,
jl.; Patterson. PSI Cole. 1873. The
capital is being gradually deserted by
its patriotic visitors.
a resolution was adopted to-day re-
calling and e%xpunging from the record
Of the organization the attack upon
Public Printer Cornelius Ford passed
at Detroit. The organization found
upon investigation that the charge was
not sustained and that the action had
been premature. 1t was alleged that
the public printer had Disseminated
against the veterans in the matter Of
employment.
The Sons OF Veterans closed their
sessions at the Shoreham Hotel to-day
with the election and installation Of
officers, The new president IL Col. A.
l.. II. stephens Of Cincinnati.
Mrs. Libby T.. Meis of Philadelphia
was elected president Of the Sons Of
Veterans Auxiliary. The organization
Of Army Wal Nurses selected Mrs. Alice
g. Risley of jefferson City. Mo. as
president
The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1915-10-02
SCOTCH PASTOR COMES FOR
CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH
Waiting Delegation at Pier
Cheer DR.. Kemp's Two
Killed Children.
IS WORKING PREACHER

A boy and a girl in kits attracted
more attention than the new pastor OF
Calvary Baptist Church when n dele
cation met him yesterday as he landed
at the pier from the liner st. Pau.
One hundred and fifty men and women
from the Ffty-sevcnth street church
were there to greet the Rev. Or. Joseph
w. Kemp and his family. including tho
two children. The Scotch garb Of the
boy and girl carried all before 1t. Til,
Calvary delegation cheered.
The Rev. DIR. Kemp said his Edln-
burgh congregation believed he would
tire OF America In six months. For
that reason Charlotte Chapel. Edin-
burgh. IL to get on with a regular pas
tor for that period and then sound
him about returning.
TN the United Free Assembly hall
in Edinburgh" said he. speaking OF
war conditions In Scotland, "there are
weekly meetings for prayer for sue
cess in the war. n fully $500 per-
sons usually attend. l annot see that
In Scotland there Is any deeper re-
ligious feeling because Of the war. Peo-
pie are more sober than formerly. and
the moment the war ends I look for n
tremendous revival of religion. Now
people are too much distracted, too
often sorrowing for the loss OF friends
There has been terrible slaughter and
II Is going on now. especially on the
western front.
II intend TO make Calvary Church
In this city n centre Of gospel pow.,
for the whole city. n home for young
people. The time has passed when a
church plant may be used only "
or three days each week. Calvary
must be used all of the time"
The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1915-10-02
500 DEAD IN GREAT
GULF HURRICANE
Many Points in Distressed
Area Are Still to Be
Heard From.
NO ESTIMATE OF DAMAGE

New ORLEANS, Oct. 1.-Conservative
estimates tonight place the death toll
Of tho great storm that ravased the
Louisiana and Mississippi coasts at 600.
To-date there have been more than $50
listed dead. Fifty Of these are along
the Mississippi coast. Twenty-Five are
In New Orleans. From other places
named the dead have been tabulated
as follows:
Premier. La. Is Lavbranche. La, 35
Shell Beach. La. Is: lower coast OF
Louisiana. %; Delacroix. La. 20; Rigo.
let's. La, 81; Lake Catherine, La. 20.
From n score Of different points come
reports of from one to half a dozen
deaths. These are not verified, but are
generally credited.
A number of exposed sections. for
which the gravest fears are entertained.
have not reported. They are sparsely
populated. but It IL believed that the
inhabitants had little chance to get away.
At Manila village. a famous shrimp
settlement eighty miles below the city.
the life loss Is estimated at fifty. 1t
may run to twice that figure.
In New Orleans little attempt has
been made to estimate the damage.
Every person who owned property SUI
fered. There il no distress here, no help
from the outside is needed and the city
and Its people are cheerful. Rebuilding
and repair wor is limited only by the
number OF available workmen.
The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1915-10-02

and punishment Of each Of the hazers
Is as follows:
DfsMissEp-Third class. Robert 8.
Lamotte. Seattle third class. Alexander
r. Boiling. Chestnut Hill. Pa. third
class. Charles b. Tuley. Louisville /;
third class. Edward H. Hill. Moscow,
Idaho: third class, Dwight c. Cook.
Cincinnati second class. David Click.
Pittsburg.
SusPENDED-Third class. w. c. Will
cock. Buffalo: third class. Joseph s.
Ives, Bardstown, Ky. /; third class. Paul
ID. Dihgwell P~awtucket, Il. l.: third
class. David p. Minard, Aberdeen, 8. d.
DROPPED A CLAss-Third class.
Frederick A. Westphal. Providence. II.
l.. third class. Howard @. Gamble. Tai
~lahassee. La: third class. Morton T.
Seligman. Santa Fe. N. NJ: third
class. William NJ. Kiilian. wahoo, Neb.
second class. Thomas @. Fisher. Con-
gress Heights. d. c.: first class. Fran
els w. Benson. Charleston. s. c.. Sec
M class, Arthur b. Craig. Raleigh. N.
c.. second class. Joseph J. Clark. Chel-
sea, Okla. second class, Albert L. Hut
son.. New Orleans: second class. Paul L.
Meadows. Ruston. La. third class. John
A. Whitson. Water Valley. Miss. Sec
ond class. Martin J.. Connolly. Taunton.
Mass. first class, Joseph w. Gregory.
Kingston, N. Y; second class. Charles
X. Post. Bayport, N. Y. and third class.
Logan c. Ramsey. Washington, d. c.
The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1915-10-02
GERMAN DYNAMITE
SHIP TO SELL CARGO
Skipper. After Waiting in Bay
for Nearly a Year, Will
End HarbOr Peril.

me German dynamite steamship
Magdeburg, which was recently ordered
by the Treasury Department to go out OF
Gravesend Bay, where she Is anchored,
and put to sea or dispose OF her cargo,
declared to be dangerous to shipping.
probably will dispose Of the dynamite
in a few days. Capt. ]. F. Wild Of the
,oast guard. In charge OF anchorages
At this port, went to the Magdeburg
Yesterday at the request OF her skipper,
capt. Heinrich Orgel. and took OF $50
pounds of dynamite in three hfty
pound boxes. . The skipper said he was
going to see il he could sell the dyna-
mite, having obtained permission from
hs owners in Hamburg. The Magde-
burg is consigned to her skipper. who
is vested with full authority to dispose
Of her cargo, consisting OF 100000
pounds.
After Capt. wild and his men had
taken the dynamite from the hold II
transferred II to the cutter Calumet
me hatches were sealed and the Calu-
met came back to the Barge once
pier. It Is said the dynamite has de-
'e1oTated somewhat and will not bring
he price it might have brought when
The Magdeburg lodged this port nearly
a year ago to escape capture by Brit
.sh war craft. She was bound for Aus
tralia.
There are lots Of ammunition fac
tories that may want to buy the Magde-
burg's cargo.
The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1915-10-02
SLAIN CLOTHIER'S WIFE
IS HELD WITHOUT BAIL
No Charge Against Mrs. Ga.
Clio. but Police Find Flaws
in Her Story.

MaHy flaws have been found by the
police and District Attorney Francis
Martin Of The Bronx in the story OF
Mrs. Frances Gaglio regarding what took
place In her apartment at 735 East
lS2d street On Thursday night. when
her sick husband. Salvatore Gag!io. well
TO d. clothing manufacturer. was beaten
to death in bed. Coroner Flynn las
held Ms. Gaglio without bail as n
material witness, but no charge has
been made against her.
AS a result of to-day's questioning
OF Mrs. Gaglio and other Witnesses"
said Mr. Martin last night. suspicion
narrows down to one person. ] expect
that further devel, pments will soon
cause an arrest"
One OF the most important facts dis
closed in the examination Of many wit
nesses yesterday was that nobody saw
the two men who. Mrs. Gaglio said. must
have killed her husband in her tenn
porary absence.
Mr.. Martin and the detectives also
have hope that the result of a test for
bloodstains on an apron and dress FOUND
in the Gaglio apartment Will help them
Both are stained, though II Is not yet
certain that the stains We're made by
blood. The skirt had been partly washed
and the apron was in n closet.
The police are interested also In n lie
insurance policy for $1,000 that Gas!io
PROPOSED to transfer from his wife to
the tailoring firm OF Brown x Gaglio In
Sixth avenue, of which he was a member.
He a expected TO sign papers making
the transfer some time this week. Pele-
grino, the Gag!!os' eight-year-old son,
has old Mr.. Martin that his mother up
braided his father for thinking ~ talk
ing the money away from her and their
children.
The boy also told Coroner Flynn that
he bought an italian newspaper for
his mother on Wednesday. The two
foot iron wall brace with which Gaslio's
| skull was crushed was found wrapped in
n newspaper of the same name and date.
lcnacio Friscia of 400 West Broadway.
Mrs. Gaglio's cousin, Is also held as a
material witness. Mrs. Gaglio tele-
phoned him from n drug store near
her home Just before she gave the alarm
announcing her husbands death.
The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1915-10-02
DAVIS GETS WRIT FOR
MISS KELLY'S MOTHER
Papers Served in Action for
Slander-New Twist to
Cabaret Romance.

Al Davis, the companion of Miss Flu
broadway, took the offensive yesterday
in the light that Is being waged against
him by Mrs. Edward Kelly in an effort
20 break on his acquaintance with her
daughter. Papers In an action for n
were served on Mrs. Kelly yesterday
at her home at the instigation Of Davis.
The writ was taken to the house by
Il process server. who gained entrance
by declaring hat he was a friend OF the
former Jockey and had valuable infor-
nation concerning him. He insisted on
seeing Mrs. Kelly. When she entered
the room where he was waiting he gave
her the papers and fled.
\ meeting had been arranged for
yesterday afternoon between Mrs. Kelly
and her lawyer. John +. Mcintyre. but
instead the wv went last evening to
Murray's restaurant. where Davis n
Miss Kelly were refused service a few
nights ago. There the two had a con-
ference with Patrick kyne. the manager.
who has known Mrs. Kelly for twenty
Ave years and has known the daughter
since she was a child.
Mrs. Kelly and Mr.. Mcintyre were
chiefly concerned with learning how
often Eugenia and Davis had been
~patronizing the restaurant since the girl
recently promised to forswear her
friendship for the dancer.
Earlier in the day Mr.. Mcintyre an
nounced that he expected to take the
matter before the District Attorney
within n few days to see II action can
not be started against Davis for in
| weighing the girl away from her mothers
influence. Miss Kelly Is a minor. The
possibility of preventing her from COM
ing into her share of her fathers es-
tate is also being considered. as a
check TO a marriage to Dav
Donald Whitford of the firm OF Alex
ander a. Green, she attorneys for the
estate, said yesterday that n such
| action must be begun by Mrs. Kelly
herself, as the Administrative Of the
estate. MI. Kelly died intestate and
the girls mother will retain control OF
her inheritance until she comes OF age.
Davis yesterday denied he was a pro-
fessional dancer and asserted he and
Miss Kelly did not frequent drinking
places.
.I'm not a social highwayman or a
tango pirate, or whatever they call it,
said Davis. I'm just an ordinary yOung
fellow in love with a very charming
young girl, m We met when and where
we could. Eugenia's mother has not
liked the situation and has made a lot
OF trouble.
"After Wnat sne H"o S"iu, '""' ~"
stealing her daughter and that daugh.
ter's money and that ! was all sorts OF
a s%coundrel. / could not do otherwise
than bring this suit against her. i dom
care much for her money. but l want
vindlcat!on.
IT am very fond OF Miss Kelly. ]
nave been for two years. ever since We
have met.
yes, ] have been married. But be-
fore | met Miss Kelly Mrs. Davis ant
! had been living apart for five years
and l felt that l was at liberty TO &c
about with whoever ] cared to-