New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-04-22

candidate for Governor in 1902" asked
Mr.. Bowers when the Colonies examl,
nation was resumed this morning, ana
the witness said he did.
Odd you write him letter upon
that subject on the 2lst day Of August,
\ 1908? Al did.
Q.-Do you recolect having a con-
versation on the subject matter or
that letter either before it was sent or
after it was sent? Al had converse
tons on that subject in Washington
Whether ! also had a conversation on
that subject in Oyster Bay or not, l
cannot say,
Mr.. Bowers offered the letter in evil
dence, and Mr.. Wins objected. 49,,
I'VE claim" said Mr.. Bowers, that
the evidence Is material and should be
received as bearing upon the personal
relations as existing between the PLAIN
tiff and the defendant. That is the main
purpose of this that their relations
were perfectly friendly; that they dls-
cussed matters with one another OF a
political nature, which continued until
1910. These are in accord with that,
and we shall establish that IN our
case"
Returning to the witness, Mr.. Bowers
said: 81 am going to ask you to state
any conversation that you had with Mr
Barnes in the summer of 1908 bearing
upon the nomination for Governor oil
this state" To this Colonel Roosevelt
replied: lin,
1.-THE conversations were in contnu,,
alton of conversations that we haa
with him, not retrospections at all A
conversation, for instance, based on dod
letter of mine TO Senator PIatt IN ISVo'
in which | raised the question or the
boss over the Governorshlp WHEN l
discussed with Mr. Barnes, and where
stated that the position that Mr.
Barnes and Mr.. Platt were taking IN
evitably led to corruption in govern
ment-and those conversations were IN
continuance with those.
Talked of Boss Rule.
"The first conversation | had WIN
Mr.. Barnes, in which we discussed the
state boss. the righteousness OF boss
nile and the dominance that the boss
should have in state affairs, was at
the beginning Of my term as Governor
when / went over with him the Two
eYperiences | had had with Mr.. PIatt.
I told him that prior to my becoming
Governor MIR. Plat had asked me 10
coue n ses him at the Fifth Avenue
Hotel. 1T was between the time ! was
elected and the time | assumed once
| told MIR. Barnes that Mr.. Platt IN
formed me that he and several other
gentlemen who were there were taxing
M the question of the committees
Mr.. Iyins-Before the witness con
tinues | wish TO enter my objection 10
, this line Of evidence as having no
, tendency whatever to prove anythlhs
except TO prove the Conversations
, character Of the parties to this action,
, and not tending to prove DOMINATION VI
, Mr.. Barnes and as entirely improper
! - i 10 intended to prove that because
Mr.. Barnes was dominant as allegeu ~
1914 he may have been dominant De-
cause somebody else was dominant J"
, 1908
The court ruled that Colonel Roose,,
Welt might answer, and witness "eH'
: on: oro
"Mr. Platt asked me if there were were
= env-I told Mr.. Barnes If Mr.. flat'
had asked me if there were any frlenus
) I wished to have special cons LIBERATION
on the committees in the Legislature
+ | said no, and asked if the Speaker
J. expressed surprise at the fact that tine
} committees were appointed mas mucr
5 as they are supposed to be nominated
! by the Speaker-had not been chose"'
Speaker Must Be Plat Man.
"Tbe answer Of Mr.. Plat was tina
no one would be appointed Speake'
who did not agree to carry OUT .l'
: wishes of the organization and OF MI
= Platt. ] stated to Mr. barnes amen
that conversation with Mr. flaVt Una
nv judgment was that such system
= Of government inevitably lea 10 eVlI
led to a rotten ana uncleah Eo'e'"
ment. q. - -.
"Nr Barnes stated that II was IN
or,v Kind Of government that eou!'
exist under our party system, ina
i YOU couldn't have a party system o
: government without bosses, and tina
, the leader had TO be absolutely re
! snonsible or he could not exercise tn
y control which would enable the gov
= eminent TO 20 on. ! then lnstance'
the next conversation that | had ha(
y with Mr.. Plat where he had calIe'
O. Cbv Mr.. Bowers. What did yo'
L say 10 Mr.. Barnes? Al said to MT
e Barnes that Mr.. Plat had called me II
{ and asked me TO see him at the Fiftl
: Avenue Hotel and when | came ha'
told me he was glad TO say that NJ
:; could get the acceptance OF the maj
q whom he considered best qualified 70
:, the most important position under me
that Of Superintendent Of Pubic
/ Works, and he congratulated me on The
fact Of having such a good man ant
! handed me the telegram of acceptance
by the gentleman in question.
e Mr.. Wins objected that unless th'
name was given the testimony shoulC
be omitted
Mr.. Roosevelt-ln the conversation
j don't believe the name was mentioned
5 but it may have been mentioned. Blu
T if il was not, il was only because W.
knew Il so well that there was no need
e IL was Mr. Francis Hendricks, o.
e Syracuse. told Mr.. Barnes that
n had told Mr. Plat that had higf
n regard for Mr.. Hendricks, but that fol
), this particular place did not intenC
0 10 appoint any men along the line o.
e the canal counties, and, moreover,
0 didn't intend anybody 10 choose my ap
{ pointees. and accordingly | would no
appoint Mr.. Hendricks. Mr.. Barne'
reiterated then that the organization
y had the control. He did not defenC
= the way that Mr.. Plat had spoken L
me.