Omaha daily bee., 1915-04-24
LTKENS BARNES TO
JEKYLL AND HYDE
Roosevelt Under Cross Examination
Says Plaintiff Had Good and
Bad Sides.
WISHED TO ELIMINATE LATTER
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party In New York;
He was hot tho nominal leader He
became the actual leader sfter Mr. Cro-
ker went TO Europe. first in New York
City and then throughout the state. lie
became dominant"
Isn't It a fact that he first showed his
control at the Buffalo convention Of
1867
That's my memory. can't be suro
Of It,"
who succeeded Mr.. Croker in the
ieaderphip OF Tammany HallT'
I've told you. Mr.. Murphy"
Don't you know there was a trium-
vfrate in control Of Tammany HALF"
Il Cont know about that / know
there was a fight in which several per-
sons. including Nr. -Fingy' civilian -
Corners Of Buffalo were concerned. I
don't know which side he was on. Just
heard Of IL
well now. while YOU were governor
there was invisible government, you say.
Why didn't you make an attack then.
similar 70 the one you made on Barnes7''
III they had bocked the legislation I
wanted would have"
Jadse Calls Down wins.
Mr.. WINS then requested the court 10
instruct the witness that he answer
categorically and not 60 beyond and
make statements.
IT the ruies OF law are observed and
the witness is treated A. any other wit
ness-" began Mr.. Twins
Justice Andrews raped with his gavei
and said:
Mr.. wins. this witness IL treated the
same as other witnesses won't permit
any such language here"
Il apologize" said Mr. WINS. ana con-
tinued his oross-examination.
did you ever give any publicity 10 the
fact that you, Mr.. Piatt and Mr. odeu
conferred over a successor for Louis
Peyne7''
II didn't. The newspapers ala"
Did you confer with Mr. Plat about
appointing Mr.. Hendricks as comnIs-
sloner OF public worksY''
Not particularly. Senator Piatt him
self offered Mr.. Hendricks the place. He
tFiato showed me a telegram Of accept
ance from Mr.. Hendricks"
AZ the witness told this he laughed and
the spectators Joined in.
Sees Barnes Frequently.
How many times in 1890 did you see
AIT. baFnee nlonoT
Il couldn't say. Many times I would
talk 10 him IN the executive chamber az
Albany when ether people we're in the
room"
III Mr.. Barnes said he talked 10 YOU
once. would you say he was wrong"
II would I had a dozen conversations
with Mr.. Barnes"
III Mr.. BaFnes dairy would show ne
had one conversation with you alone and
six when other people were present
would you stu say he was wrong?"
II would. I rsmember conversations IN
club. IN the executive mansion ana IN
a railroad train going to New York after
the sovernorship. ! had a conversation
with him In the Union League club"
did you invite Mr. Barnes 10 the
white House IN Washington
Yes"
You dic that in spite Of his mistrust to
the people ana the Invisible empire7'
Yea"
did you ever discuss invisible govern
men with Mr.. Barnes In Albany
u aid not discuss the specific phrase.
] did discuss my official duty and con
tributions 20 the funds by big business
interests"
Mr.. Wins read a sentence from the
autobiography about Mfr. Platt's most ef-
ficient reusenants being men OF the
highest standing in the community.
ibid you include Mr.. Barnes in these
iIeutsnants In istsr'
me"
did you include him in that class in
1899 or isoof''
Ma"
III you ala not 90 regard him why ala
you consult himf'
Because I thought he was above the
average OF the run OF politicians. be-
iieyed he might become most useful
citizen"
"Did you discuss his moral standards
with him7''
Il aid expressed my hopes 70 him.,
50. while you were in Albany you
were acting a. political monitor IN order
10 make him q good citizen5''
u tFaed 70 set every man 20 act rightly
Mostly politicians had two natures. how
ever. I regarded Mr.. Barnes a. a DR.
JekyIl and a Mr.. Hyde He had two sides
"a good and q bad one-aa other poll
tieians had.'
Mr.. Wins read a letter written on Whit
House stationery By Colonel Roosevelt {,
Afr Barnes telling him Of appointing hin
70 office.
Did you appoint Mr.. Hyde Barnes o
DF. Jskyil Barnesg''
81 wanted 20 set the DR.. Jskyll out o
him. The Treasury department said h,
had done his work well and deserved re
appointment"
so you tried 10 cut the lgaments be
tween the siamese Twins-Jekyil an
hyde"
''oh. no, was trying to get one to alb
sorb the other"
Mr.. Ivins picked up Colonel ROOSEVELT
autobiography again and read an exeerp
about some people dislikinG Mr. Plat TO
eethetie rather than moral reasons
when reformers." an excerpt from tn
autobiography read In part. wanted 4
oppose AIR. Plat; they put up some bil
business man or some man who bathel
every day and aid not steal / know tn
silk-stoekinged reformers. and the ma
chine. too. The silk-stoekinged reformer
cannot be trusted"
Several more excerpts were read abou
reformers and about the witness tryinI
70 set Mr.. Plat 20 come to his way o
thinking. The witness said what he wrot
sxprsss his state Of mind At the tine o
writing