The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1915-02-11

| mfr. Mccall thinks the mandamus
suit will fail--do your
! Haven't thought about it. As a
matter Of fact the subway service IL
remarkable The road is doing the best
/ II can in rush hours. The nou-rush
service could he improved"
! Previous witnesses had said that
court decision In the Whitridge case had
deferred the commission from bringing
| further penalty suits. NJ cram dis
agreed with. them. but he said such
suits were difficult because intent to
violate orders had to bc proved
Cameras were now surrounding the
rudy witness. He faced them in
trepidly. MIR. Hayward went on. Had
| Mr.. Cram ever challenged the other
Commissioners construction Of the law?
Certainly not. | wish you to under
stand that I'm generally minority
member or the commission on serious
/ questions. I'm satisfied with the
courts"
Sparring for time, Mr.. Hay ward again
asked MIR Cram when he was I'm thr
| habit OF leaving his office The answer
was, when my work Is done-iust as
! shall leave here when you get through
talking to mo"
You're not as hattering 20 rs as
! Commissioner Williams" chucklcd Mr..
/ Hayward tMr williams having sat
through all the investigation hearings
as spectator
| MFR. williams" retorted Mr.. Cram,
| lives in Brooklyn where there are not
! as many amusements as in Manhattan"
Laughter all round.
/ From quiZ a. To his knowledge or
transit routes he emerged with few scars.
, He Is an old New Yorker as well a
lawyer. and he said he rides In the
| subway twice a day Mr. Hayward
abruptly swerved 10 the topic of au-
tomobiles.
Which OF the commissions seven
machines is yours. Mr.. Cram
None. never used one hut once
until | broke my leg. Then | used II
to come from my home In Old West
Burr &c = meeting c: he commission
about thirty miles ! had a car OF my
own in Westbury, but it was inc1paci-
tated."
Mr. Hayward held up bundle OF
! blue slips on which the commissions
chauffeurs report their wanderings.
You say" he began, that your ac-
cident was in last May. Here's II record
Of a trip from Old Westbury on Feb
ruary rs"
"Oh, went TO Queens two or three
times on commission business. l was
in Jamaica on that trip" said Mr. Cram
correctly, as the slip showed
| And on April II a trip to Westhury
and back. Was that public business
too"
- don't remember and don't care
whether Ii was or not" said The Wit
ness. vexed The blue slips indicated
seven Journeys to Westbury before the
day OF Mr.. Grams accident. Mr.. Cram
didn't mind.
Here's trip to Piping Rock. them"
pursued Mr.. Hayward
probably" ven;ured the witness, the
Commissioners sent for me and there
being no business had the man droJ
ne off At the club"
Didn't Call ON Colonel.
Another card read Oyster BAY. Il
didn't go to see the Colonel" said Mr.
Cram.
Metropolitan Club was another ad-
dress. Yes" Mr.. Cram said. enjoy
ing his little joke. 81 have committed
! the crime OF belonging to the Metro
politan Club" He added. snow Mr.
Hayward. think you are hardly fair
| mean some OF these records are not
accurate"
! You admit"
"Oh. I'll admit anything
The aggregate mileage Is i1.l4i-is
, that accurate?"
"Oh, probably" Mr.. Cram leaned
back as II wcaried OF the diversion
! The inquisition ended on the question
Of complaints OF poor service against
the New York, Queens and Suburban
Company, After two years the com
mission dismissed the case. Mr.. Hay
ward accused Mr. Cram OF trying to
get moro ears and then changing his
mind and telling the company II was
doing pretty well. The witness said
, he had found out that the company
was practically insolvent
, Don't you know" said Mr.. Hay
ward, that the Interborough COMPANY
| owns 30 per cent. of the stock and has
been selling power TO the Queens com
pany at higher rates than to other roads,
and sold It a lot OF cars that were an
! suitable?"
A 81 believe So agreed Mr.. Cram.
Commissioner WLod. after lodging
six times the question. "Do you think
commission is efficient or Inefficient
which doesn't know orders are being
violated after sixty-hve letters to that
effect have been written TO Mr.. Held "
OF the lnterorough?" finally said IL
think have been an efficient Commits
, Sioner"
Questioned az 10 the difference In ef-
feet between a mandamus and a pen
atty suit, he laughed, Now, Col. Hay
ward, you've got me out of my depth
But he said he had taken good care
OF The Bronx.
2 Mr.. Grams examination will be CON
tinued az 10 80 o'clock this morning