The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1915-05-15

Have YOU seen or talked WITH him
on any subject directly or indirectly,
orally or by agents or over the tele-
phone or In any way7'
No replied the witness
MT. wins returned TO the Senatorial
fight Of 1911 and asked the witness 20
tell all about II. Mr.. Barnes made. for
him, rather long speech. He said:
"lnasmuch as President Taft had
called an extra session OF Congress for
early in April of that year and that
two months OF the legislative session
had passed without a Senator being
elected to succeed Mr.. Depew and since
the opinion had grown distinctly In
favor of action OF some kind being
taken ] felt. as chairman OF the State
, committee, that IL would be wise and
proper for me to endeavor to do what
could to bring about tho election OF
Senator and. of course. a Senator who
would be An embarrassment to the DEM
ocratic party.
~ asked Mr.. Stetson TO come to Al
bany and ! met HIM at my house. Mr..
| Frank II. Plat was also there. We
| talked about the various members Of the
Assembly and Senate. all Of whom have
testified here. Mr.. Stetson had brought
along a list Of four names which Frank
lin d. Roosevelt and others had given
| him with the hope that perhaps we
\ would favor them.
He asked who in my opinion would be
| the best candidate, Martin II. Glynn,
Martin ". Lttleton. Thomas Mott Os-
borne or John II. Herman. said that
I would not attempt to enter into nego-
tiations Of any kind so far as Mr.. Glynn
was concerned. told Mr. Stctson a.
for Mr.. Littleton felt that II the Re-
| publicans Joined with the Democrats
and elected him he would not remain In
dependent after the election, but might
Join hands With Tammany Hall.
II also said that would be perfectly
willing to submit the names Of Mr.
Osborne and Mr.. Herman TO the Repub-
lican members Of the Legislature.
Osborne was Willing.
~ then sent for Zion r. Brown to
lind out II Mr. Osborne would accept
He reported that Mr.. Osborne would
" then sent for Mr.. Bracket and Mr.
Merritt and suggested TO them that pos
sibly the deadlock could be broken II
the Independent Democrats would com
bine with the Republicans
Mr.. Brown expressed a doubt tina,
IL could be done II II came to a test
Mr.. Bracket was In favor Of doine
1t. but Mr.. Merritt was opposed. The,
agreed. however, to talk with Other
|
about. From time to time they tolc
me how the plan was getting along.
The matter hung fire until March 2s
when Howard J. Human and Others
J came to my house and We again dis
cussed the proposition. Nothing wal
done. Next day there WAS complete
confusion owing to the Capitol fire ant
the day was unimportant so far as tn
| Senatorial contest WAS concerned.
. | ia I
both Mr. Bracket and Mr.. Merritt, tn
Republican leaders respectively OF tn
Senate and Assembly. That night Nj
Sweet came TO my house and called M
I Franklin u. Roosevelt and asked hoy
matters stood. Mr.. Roosevelt told him ~
thought 1t was going TO be fixed up tn
next morning. do not recall that
did anything further. Senator O'Gor
man was elected by tho Democrats"
Mr.. wins went very briefly into III
topic Of the national convention OF 1871
at Chicago and Mr.. Barnes's activitie
In the convention. Mr.. Bowers objecte
to the line OF examination and Nj
: Wins replied tartly:
"You don't want my witness to he q
. loQuacious as yours. j want to sho,
ny the convention action the malice O
a., the defendant in publishing the allege
j., libel"
Mr. WINS tried TO get into the recor
a speech delivered by Henry !. ALE
| of Kansas at the convention. but tn
: court ruled It out and the matter wa
dropped.
The Bache Luncheon.
] The alleged b-Barnes interview a
| the oilicss OF j. =. Bache Co, testi
c fled to by Mr. Loeb az having occurre
during the Senatorial fight in the sprin
Of 1911, but 10y other witnesses presen
= At the Bache luncheon as having take
r place two years after the Senator's
n fight. was the next topic.
g DO you remember meeting Mr.. Loe
at Mr.. Bache's office In 1912" asked NJ
Wins.
h NO" replied the witness Mr.. Loe
is mistaken. ! never met him there
1911"
"Do you remember ever meeting NJ
Loeb there
"Yes, once. but cannot remembt
a Just when II was. think it WAS abo,
r. two or two and a half years ago
Subsequent to the election OF
r United States SENATOR
"Oh yes" said Mr.. Barnes 1T mu!
have been after the election OF 1912"
4" did you have any such conversatio
with Mr.. Loeb as he has testified
h and Mr.. Murphy
II had no such conversation, reptile
Mr.. Barnes positively.
h Mr.. WINS said he was through wit
the witness.