The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1915-05-18
Industrial Relations Commits
sion Today Hears Beautiful
Word Picture of Time When
There Will Be No Prisons.
INTEREST cENTERs IN
Y0UNGER ROCKEFELLER
Following Hot Exchange of
Letters With Chairman
Walsh He Resumes Stand
Today.

Washington, May is.-ciarence 3.
parrow told the Industrial relations
commission today he believed the day
not far distant when iails and prisons
would be abolished and hospitals
would take their places.
The chief interest In the hearing
centered In h temperance today OF
John d. Rockefeller. Jr.. for examina-
ton In connection with the Colorado
coal strike. Correspondence submit
ted TO the commission since Mr..
Rockefeller's former appearance
formed the basis OF the inquiry. The
witness had prepared "A detailed state
ment In connection with the Colorado
labor trouble which he was TO read
when he resumed his testimony late
today. Darrow preceded Rockefeller
on the stand. Explaining his belief
In the ultimate elimination OF jails
and prisons he said:
Il don't mean that some people
wont 0s confined" he said. but
they will be treated for their social
Ills and not punished. Punishment
Is barbarism and the people general
~ are beginning TO realize IL. Some
day we will try to wipe out the
enlses OF crime and doctor crimili ais
instead OF abusing ms mlsJudging
them
Most folks believe themselves in
nocent no matter what they do, Oar
row thought.
II believe Rockefeller and stand
ard oil have a most evil social infu-
ence. but Mr.. Rockefeller thinks he
In as innocent as anyone. and justihes
himself unto himself. Everybody
thinks himself innocent.
Resistance Of military and other
constituted authority. ir hat author
ity was abusive, barrow urged. was
jOstinRble, arguing that liberty al
ways had been maintained By blood
shed. As one OF the FIRST steps to-
ward an ideal social community he
urged public ownership Of lands.
mines. forests and railroads.
There is no final remedy for I'M
rest. except the grave" said barrow.
Commissioned weinstock question
ed barrow on military operation in
strikes.
III a constable seeks to arrest a
man without authority the man ought
10 have a right to resist. said Darrow.
II the militia attacks people brutally
and without authority they should be
resisted II there Is a chance 10 resist
and win. The idea that a man who is
an oiilce can do anything Is only NJ
for slaves 10 harbor.'
suppose In a given case striker,
should form the judgment that acts
OF the militia were unwarranted. that
violence followed In which blood wa,
shed and property destroyed sug-
gested Commissioner Weinstock
would YOU say the strikers should
be punished?"
Suppose there was bloodshcd and
destruction OF property and liberty
was saved, what them" countorcd
barrow. There are other things I,
be considered besides life and prop.
erty. The liberty OF a man is one
thing and must De judged by history
There has been very little improve
mcnt In the world without bioodshed
II seems TO be the law OF nature"
do you believe In bloodshedq"
Il neither believe nor disheileye II
II. II Ia nature. We would have o.,
government here were Il not fO0
%bloodshed. Take %bIoodshcd out O
the world and We would stiil be ilvlnl
In caves
Both labor aud capital. he said
looked upon strikes az warfare,
But everything n not justihabl
war he continued. There arc man.
things In the present war Ia Europ'
that are o justified by the laws o
humanity. But "a strike Is In the ma
ture Of war. ana employers and ON
ployes often do many cruel and IN
necessary things that they should no
Do"
DO you believe u liberty Is
delusiOn and that We are ns mucl
warranted In resisting authority a
the people OF Russia 2" barrow wa
asked.
Freedom Is a relative term wa
the reply. The poor OF the UniteI
States are poorer than those OF Rus
sia and Of Germany. They are not a
free as the people OF England"
Darrow suggested government own
ership Of coal mines and when aske'
what would prevent n II the peopl
wanted Il, repliedi
/, Congress. the president and tn