New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-04-28

| Odd you seek his advice with ref
crencc TO legislation or political mat
tcrs at that time Mt all. or was II n
friendly and social vislt7 Al have
no recollection that il was consulta-
ton or political matters.
Always Talked Politics with Plat.
We're any OF these numerous
meetings that you had with Mr. Plat
Of an entirely social "haracterI Al
think we always discussed politics.
am not sure; there may have been one
or two meetings we did not.
Mr.. Barnum reads letter, dated No
vember 10, 1901. from Mr.. Roosevelt
to Mr.. Plat.
Q. by Mr.. Barnum).-Mr. Low at
that time was the Mayor-elect Of New
York City7 Ale was.
Q.-On the Reform Citizens Union
ticket7 A.--On a union ticket, yes.
Odd you believe at that time that
Mr.. Platt's influence and help on behalf
Of Mr.. Low would insure the welfare
Of the City Of New York? Al did.
Q-And you had 40 advised Mr.. Low,
had you? Al had so advised Mr..
( Low.
Q.-These letters and correspondence
between you and Mr.. Plat during the
time that you were Governor related TO
practically all Of the important acts, or
measures or legislative or administra-
tive acts that happened during the
two years as Governor, didn't they 7
A.-Not to all of them-No, would
not say practically TO all OF them
would say they related TO some Of
them.
Q-Ninety per cent? Al would
not give the percentage; they related
to the majority OF them.
Barnes Name Never Mentioned.
Q.-Mr. Barnes name is not men
toned In any Of that vast correspond
ence that | have read, Is III A.-Never.
Mr.. Wins here took up the cross
examination.
Mr.. Wins then produced the CORE
spondence between Colonel Roosevelt
and Mr.. Barnes, and asked tho witness
TO identify the letters.
Q.-Have you looked them all over
Al have looked them all over.
O-And they are letters written by
you and received by you! Ayes
sir.
O-From and to Mr.. Barnes? A
From and to Mr.. Barnes.
O.-I find reference In this letter to-:
Apparently It has been settled that
the Governor will take charge of the
campaign In this state this fall" Did
that refer to Mr.. Odelll Al think II
did.
Mr.. WINS reads letter. dated July
3, 1908, from Mr.. Roosevelt to Mr..
Barnes.
O-What Mr.. Curtiss was that =?
A.-The District Attorney.
Q-For what district? Al think
the southern district; the southern tier
Of counties.
o.-That is the tier including Tiogs
Delaware, etc? Al think so; yes, sir
Mr.. Wins read letter from Mr.
Barnes to Mr.. Roosevelt. dated July
Il, 1908. and letter from Roosevelt
10 Barnes dated July g. 1910.
Q-Do you remember when the state
convention of 1910 was held? A.
About the middle Of September.
Q.-This letter was written prior TO
the meeting of the state convention
was it not? At was.
Q.-And il referred In q general way
10 the matters which would be brought
up before that convention. did 1t not
Alt did.
Mr. WINS then read a letter dated
August 4, 1910. from Mr.. Roosevelt to
, Mr. Barnes.
The Nomination OF Stimson.
Q.-Do you remember meeting Mr.
Barnes and Mr.. Ward at the HoteI
Manhattan at about the time OF thu
meeting of the state committee, a
which a temporary chairman of the con
vention was TO be nominated? A.
Some time within few weeks or day:
of that time; | could not say when.
Q.-Is 1t not the fact that you me-
them after the meeting of the commit
tee. after il had been decided that Mr.
Sherman that is TO say, Vice-Preslden
Sherman should be temporary chair
man? Al think did, but could not
be sure.
Q.-It was held after and not before
Al think so.
@. You remember having invited Mr.
Barnes 70 come and see you at the OF
fee of "The Outlook" before that meet
ing? Al asked him about that time
but I don't remember the date rela
lively to the meeting.
Q-You remember his reply TO yol
that he would come during the after
noon? A. No; he may have respond
ed so, but | don't remember.
Q. Have you any recollection as e
what took place between yourself anC
Ny. Ward and Mr.. Barnes at the Hote
Manhattan meeting? Al think there
was no result whatever.
Q. Isn't it fact that you had dis
puted the advisability or desirabilitl
Of the appointment of Nj Sherman a
temporary chairman of the conven
ton? At was on the platform from
which he stood.
Q-At this time you had no breai
in your personal relations with Mr
Barnes, had YOU A.-No; not at all.
Q.-At this time you had rot yet dis
covered that Mr.. Barnes WAS MIR. hyde
had you? A-Thst there was an ele
ment of Mr.. Hyde In him?
Finding the Mr.. Hyde in Barnes.
Q.-That is not my question. Yor
have described. as ! recollect 1t. as
double personality, Mr. Hyde and DR.
Jekyll. ! want to find out whether a
. this time in 1910 you had yet dlscov
cred a Mr.. Hyde element in MIR
Barnes? A.-Thst l had yet discov
cred it?
Q.-Ycs. Wasn't my test imonl
that thought that element was in hin
from the beginning? -,
O.-I don't think 1t was. Al thih'
IL was: l think you are In error.
Do you remember when MT
Prentice was elected State Chairman
hot