New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-04-23

At may be that have to be. judge
of him. II | had TO be the Judge
will give you an exact example; SEN
" The Court do not think you need
give the example. CThe testimony w.
reverted to Mr.. Ivins's question "0
Al have to pc judge Of his mis-
conduct. go, A.. rou
sbonld be guilty of misconduct beyond
criticism or comment, is it? Al
is not impossible that | should De
puiltv of conduct that would cause
criticism and comment!
O,-We will return again and go back
on our tracks. When did you next see
Mr. Platt after your nomination! Al
could not tell you, sir. / thlnK saw
him once or twice in the campaign, Dui
I could not be sure. / saw Mr.. Odell
often. Mr.. Plat was very ola man
and did not take an active part IN the
campaign. | saw Mr.. Odell continually;
O-As a matter of fact il was agree
between YOU and Mr.. Platt that Mr..
Odell should act as his lieutenant was
il NOT? Alt was understood by me
that Mr.. Odell was Mr. Platt's lieuten-
ant He was chairman of the state COM
mittee.
Discussions with Odell.
You discussed matters with MI.
Odell az such lieutenant? A.-fes.
O.-After your nomination and be-
fore your Inauguration? A.-After my
nomination and before the Inaugural
ton and after the Inauguration.
Q.-You continued to discuss them
with Mr.. Odell during your entire nrst
year in Albany, did you not? Al ana.
Odd YOU not repeatedly during
that time see Mr.. Plat? A.-Repeated-
Odd you see either or both OF
them in either or both Albany and
New York? Al certainly saw Mr..
Odeil frequently in Albany. My memory
is. although | am not sure, that Mr..
Platt came once or twice TO Albany. |
saw him at the Fifth Avenue Hotel IN
New York.
Q.-At that time who was dominat-
ing the Republican party? AIR.
Plat was the boss of the party.
O.-Was Mr.. Barnes dominant in the
Republican party during the year 1899
Ale was a dominant force in 1t.
Odd he dominate the party? A.
He did not? He was a dominant force
under Mr. Platt, who was the predomi-
nant force.
O.-What were the limitations Of
Mr.. Barnes's domination? A.-His lin
itations-I understood that he was su-
preme in his county, and his relations,
like those of Mr.. Odell and the others
with Mr.. Platt, were about those OF
courtiers to the king. All they could do
TO change the decision or get decision
of Mr.. Plat was measure OF their
influence, but they did not stand up ex-
cept in very exceptional cases against
Mr.. Platt's decision once it had been
rendered.
Tried To Do as Plat Said.
Q Now, during your entire term OF
Governor you conferred and consulted
with Mr. Platt, did you not, as a leader
of your party? ,A-The whole time !
conferred and consulted with Mr.. Plat
with the genuine purpose TO do what
he wished whenever | honorably could
with regard TO the interest of the party
with the genuine desire to keep the
Republican party together-to prevent
il from flying asunder.
Mr.. Ivins-I congratulate you upon
your
Mr. Bowers | object
Odd you have any difference with
Mr.. Plat? A--You congratulate me.
That happened TO be an expression |
used at the time in letter to John
Hay. in which spoke of my relation
to Plat on the one side and TO the
independents on the other, and | hap
pencd 10 have it sent 10 me the other
day.
O. With the exception OF the mat
ter referred to in your answer did you
ever have any differences with Mr..
Plat or Mr.. Odell or the organiza-
tion? A.-Yes. | did.
Q.-Will you tell US what some Of
them were? Al can't tell you all Of
them. but, for instance. they wanted
TO pass the Astoria gas bill, and
wouldn't consent TO the passage of the
Astoria gas bill save under conditions