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Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1915-03-16
NOTED ~ Bn MEN OF THIS STATE
AT DREADNOUGHT LATNGHI,,
Governor and Formor c..

Governor and Former Govorr..
Christening of the Pennsvlv,sl.
Nearly 100 prominent Pennsvlss...
among them more than a sco,. :, W. :
from this city, left Harrisburv :. ~
eial train at 1850 o'clock last MA, {
Ne"port News, Va, to attend tbs l,s.~s
ing of the United states anna, ~ -
housht Pennsylvania there TODAY w. ~
all were the guests of Goverro, y =
oaugh, all but about 10 persona, ~
and and a Legislative committee paIa T. H.
own expenses. pa'u va
among those invited to accomn,r, !.
Governor In his private car wsrs ss.l vi
Governors Samuel w. PennynactsMs ~
EaWin 5. Stuart, John GribSsl y y
Wanamaker, j. Howell CummIrs, ses| ~
amer c. Knox and Louis ]. KoIS M. Wv
OF MISS Elizabeth l.. Kolb. tbs ..s.s ..ss
slri who Will sponsor the shin 'e sea'sI
Fhlladelphians who went nm ,h.
Gial traln are: c. C. A. Bald, w NJ ".
burpee, Congressman a. p y. n. 1ul|
r rederic II. Strawbridge, t. Laryv r01'
Iiorace L. Haldeman, ConRressnsyy ~ v!is
Bayard Henry. j. Warren HutoS,a. ~
Efee!and Kendrlck, e. ]. Lefyertv 9.
.. McDevitt, Otto r. Mallerv cn. cs
Ihomas F.. Murphy, Fred Taylor 0ps pas.
and Albert e. Turner. 'O' rlss
other Pennsylvanians l., tba Iorn..,..
party were George II. Alter. p,tshrs.s
y. T. Black, Meyersdale; Thomss
LraEo, Waynesburg: George M ns,al
Arthur G. DeWalt, Allertn..
John Dick, Meadville: Justice IoSs :
lslkin, Indiana; John r. Farr. scrsa,..
spencer 81 Z. Gilbert, Harrisburg, VIM
+ Graf, Blairsville: Calvin G,ss,.
LLseWistoWn; w. w. Grest. LancaStsr. +
Inn harris, Bellefonte; James b, Ur.s,
nan, Williamsburg; w. j. Molland ps.
JuLsh' H. f. Hopwood, Uniontown, 4 n :
= ester Scottdale; NJ. C. Kapn.a.
Jhamoersburg; Edgar r. Kless. WINE !
bort; James B. Krause Williamspos
A. S. Kreider, Annville; ! Bss,,
Nurtz, Altoona; j. w. Leech, Ebsn,hrs
@ouls I. McFadden, Canton: Jusass
leslie Mestrezat. Unlontown; W
1agee, Pittsburgh; S. Taylor NoTs
'unxsutawney; Senator George r oly-
'ittsburgh; j. j. Oller, Waynesborol
benny O'Neil, Pittsburgh; Dr. GsorSs i
iillips' west Chester; G, Chal Pon
huntingdon; Auditor General A.
owen, Glassport; Colonel L. " Raus:A
harrisburg; S. S. Reighard, AItooas,
.olonel w. Fred Reynolds, BelefonIE
.harles H. Rowland, Phlllipsburg; Wl.
am kerper Stevens, Reading; Wlllsa
!, stevenson, Pittsburgh; Gehsisl
'homas j. Stewart, Harrisburg; MayN
ra w. stratton, Reading; Colonel Han
:: IreXler, Allentown, and Colonel IL /
Villains, Phoenixville.
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1915-03-16
COATESVILLE HOTEL
ACCUSED BY PATRONS
Witnesses Say They Got Liquor
at the Grand While Intoxi-
Gated.

WEST CHESTER, Pa, March 16.-The
hearing on the application of Benjamin
j. Dorsheimer for a license at the Hotel
Grand, Coatesville, occupied the entire
morning session of the License Court
today. Charges of selling to men of
Incorporate habits were made against
| the proprietor
Lewis Davis. of Coatesvile, testified
that he bought drinks while drunk In the
barroom and had seen others get liuuor
in bottles while intoxicated. He said he
was so drunk that he was taken home
by the Rev II. w. McKenney, a Methodist
minister" He signed a remonstrance
against the license. His statement was
coroborated by the minister.
Hemple Holland said he obtained drinks
while under the influence OF liquor at
the hotel and saw Clarence Boyd do the
same, He said he "hit the trail" several
months ago and had not taken drink
since.
Boyd said he had procured whisky while
drunk on a number of occasions at the
MOTEL bar and had bought bottles OF
liquor there while intoxicated. Harry |
Prosser said Dorshelmer had cashed |
checks for Boyd while the latter was in |
toNicated, so he could pay his bill at |
the bar.
%hAtS'iAplSu ptluSly was charged by PO- |
liceman Thomas Nafe. He testified that
he had received SIS from DoFsheimer. but
had returned It, as he Understood II was
offered as brlbe so that he would not
tell certain things he knew about the bar
Chief of Police Lewis Branson said he
had received $40 from the hotel man, but
had sent II back with a reply that he
could not be bought
For Dorsheimer, Norris Katz, Charles
Mckinley, Edward e. Super and other
business men In the vicinity of the hotel
testified that the place had always been
conducted in an orderly manner
Warren Curry Jesse j. Bryson, John
=. Markline, Richard s. Tucker, James
Kennedy, A. II. Franciscus, Robert n
burnett Herbert II. Boyd, Harry w
Eshelman. Lawrence A. Sullivan, John
Reibling, Lewis NJ Archer. John A. Nc
lntire, Walter Mann, W. r. Esslck. John
3. Carr, Oscar IAmpng and John II
Clinton all declared they knew Boyd
you'd take an occasional drink, had met
aim often. but never saw him intoxi-
'ated. The case was held under advise
nent.
In the application of Elmer z. Hart
'oF license at Berwyn, no remonstranee
vas presented and his case was held IN
Ter adyisement. He has conducted the
lotel for a number of years.
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1915-03-16
DISCOVERED ROBBING SHOP
Thief Dodges Policemans Bullet and
Escapes.

A thief who was robbIng the tailor
shop OF D. Goldberg, 43 South 18th street.
this morning was surprised by Patrolman
A. Grader, who noticed a side window
open. AS the patrOlman climbed through
tho side window the thief quietly slipped
out of the rear door. He was not quick
enough to make his escape unnoticed.
and Grader gave chase. Two shots were
fired, but the thief escaped by dartlng
into dark alley, Grader returned and
found several bundles of suits and q
little money lying on the floor
Thieves entered the residence of Miss
Mary ST. j. Hughes, 1928 Pine street.
and made away with $lO5 worth of jewelry
yesterday morning. They forced their
entry through side window Monday
afternoon robbers jumped the back fence
and opened a dining room window in the
home of Thomas Mullen, 1882 South nth
street They stole jewelry estimated
at SIS
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1915-03-16
MEXICAN SITUATo
DECIDEDLY HapRIN
Carranza and Villa b p.l
Foreigners = Better ~ =
tions at Manzanillo Oa

WASHINGTON. March ia
provement in the Mexican ,ai D'elasi
observable from nearly eyerr as'''a s4s' !
with carransa and vins ing, aasls ~
American position that ,h.r 'puas
sumo responsibility for for.,r. m0's
with the Progreso blockado s's .'l ''i'l
better conditions reported IN ,s. ,a's i
unofficial advices reached ma pas.
carranza had agreed to am.,' ' "
priests and nuns condition. !" O''
controlled by him. 's'iaa
Before the arrival of tbs o,n,.
land at ManzanilIo condition. ''.s' !. 81
reached such a state that V ,l ,ass ]
Consul appealed to his o m' SHsl
through Washington to s.na s's'aas
10 protect the interests q, ven
Ihe German Consul at Mon...,,. .Y''sa''l
N the request. The presence esaniIlo a ia,e
81 SNIP Is expected to halt anv ,oIIs ~ shs "
ward demonstrations asains, ttena,snsy :
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1915-03-16
mot GUILTY" Is COPE
PLEA; MAY HALT CASE
Counsel for Defendant Objects
to Jury Panel-Trial Likely
to Be Continued.

DoHLESTOWN, Pa, March 16.-Almos
as soon as the trial Of John a. Cop,
for the murder of his niece was Calec
this morning counsel for the defense made
! a motion to dismiss the array of tales
men on the ground that the list filed
/ with the prothOnotary was not properly
! certified by the jury commissioners. This
/ motion was made soon after Cope en-
! tered plea of mot guilty" Adjourn
! mcnt was taken until this afternoon be-
| fore argument of the point, but there
| appears to be likelihood of "A con-
tinuance of the case. In the panel Of
jurors is at least one man who served
| on the jury which convicted James LincI
Of numbering his wife a year ago.
Cope appeared in II cheerful frame OF
mind and smiled at friends in the court
room.
Cope's counsel. William n. Snttcrth-
waite. Jr.. and Arthur NJ. Eastbum
arc expected to make a determined at
tempt to save Cope from the electric
chair. II is hardly likely that n jury Will
be obtained before late this afternoon.
District Attorney Calvin S. Boyer SAID
this morning that he would demand first
degree verdict Copes counsel will at
tempt to show that the shooting of his
niece was accidental and that the shotgun
with which Cope fatally shot the 1S-year-
old daughter of his elder daughter Clinton
the young woman held on to the end OF
the barrel in her efforts to prevent Cope
from shooting her mother
MAINTAINS INNOCENCE.
Cope has maintained since his arrest,
November 25 that he did not intend to
kill his niece, and true to his promise
made when he urged his brother to sur
render to the authorities, Cope's elder
EREN
farmer living about a mile from the scene |
of the tragedy. has done everything in |
his power TO insure the alleged murderer
a fair trial.
1t was to this brother the fugitive adj
dressed many of his letters while he was
hiding in Philadelphia for nearly two
months after his escape.
DETAILS OF CASE.
For number of days, the fugitive
scantily clothed and subslsting on what
ne could forage, lived under the hay in
he barns of his brothers, Clinton Cope
md D. Frank Cope, from where he
watched policemen and members of posses
earching for him. On the night of the
lay his victim was buried he broke into
he home of b. Frank Cope and stole a
ult of clothes, an overcoat and a revolver
Ie boldly came TO DoylestOwn and then
vent to Philadelphia, where he pawned
he overcoat and revolver, and worked
ntil he was caught.
Part of the time he was employed with
len who had known him before the shoot
lg, but who did not recognize him be-
ause ne had removed his mustaChe
BY tracing a telephone call, members of
le state COnstabulary, assisted by Phila- ,
elphia detectives, finally located Cope in
room at l7i5 North 7th street. They
ound him sitting at table writing with l
razor close by. In n number of his a
tiers he indicated his intention to com q
lit suicide, He surrendered without a O
ruggle. Since he had been in the county
Ill he mas shown no signs of worry. p
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1915-03-16
THE WEATHER
Official Forecast
WASHINGTON. March

WASHINGTON. March L
For eastern Pennsylvania and Ns#
Jersey--Unsettled tonight Wednesdis
probably fair; moderate north winds
The northeastern disturbance has r.
NAMED over the Gulf of St. Lawrenes
While the one that was reported from
the Ohio basin yesterday has moved 70
North Carolina and is apparently u.
curVing TO move up tho coast with le
creasing energy. 1t has caused light fala
and snow In the central valleys and :
portion of the Lake region, and rarla4
increasing cloudiness along the AtanHt
slope, The temperatures have incfeasa
slightly along the coast and are ser
efally seasonable this morning, whlls :.
reaction to somewhat colder Is repeHA
from all of the central valleys and D
Lake region.
u. S. Weather Bureau Bulletin
Tho following table shows the exlsllAg =
dltlons throughout the country as rses!sH :
reports 10 the United States weather balsAi
at a. IN. today:
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1915-03-16
LOCAL OPTION RALLY TONIGHT
Big Overflow Meeting Is Expected in
Frankford.

Arrangements have been made for an
overflow meeting, which is anticipated TO-
night, at the rally in Assembly Han
Frankford avenue above Sellers street
following a local option campaign begun
a week ago In that locality SO great
has been the interest In the meetIne tbat
mems Bible classes and members of other
organizations have been unable 10 obtain
assurances OF seats. James Dunn. stata
Representative from Frankford, viii he
asked to vote for Governor Brumbaugh's
local option measure.
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1915-03-16
sUFFRAGIsTs ON TOUR TODAY
Votes for Women" Advocates to Map
Out Parade Route.

VI tFNFW
Four automobiles, each filed to capac-
ity with women suffragists. will leave
the Woman Suffrage party headquarters,
1921 Chestnut street. at . o'clock this
afternoon. on tour of inspection to man
out route for the big suffrage parade
on May /.
The autos viii be gaily decked with
pennants banners and ribbons, and each
fair advocate of the "cause" will he
bedecked with buttons, badges and other
Insignia. Speeches will be made from
the machines.
The procession will move through the
downtown section, going down Walnut
street as far as Washington souare St
7th and Walnut streets. II will then
return to the suffrage headquarters on
Chestnut street.
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1915-03-16
Rhode Island Dye Works Burn

CENTRAL FALLS, r. l., March 16.
Two storehouses and a dyehouse belong
ing to the Blackstone Dye Works were
destroyed by fire this morning with
loss of 100000. The storehouse contained
goods which had been made for the
Allies.
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1915-03-16
Ladie Night At Rldley Park

The Ridley Park Church Club eels-
brated ladies Night" at the meeting
last night J. Z. Shaver played the cello.
and a quartet composed OF Mrs. John
Bailey, Mrs Abran r. Ward. Phllip
Nipple ana Robert P. strins sang. John
5. Adslheim played ths piano.
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1915-03-16
Carranza Lifts Port nlo.,,

w ASH iNGToN. March ls--cos...
tnan ,ha. edvlsed the State Departms.s..l tOs.l
that General Carranza ha5 os,,'n' sn' tel
piockade of Progreso, Mex' IN ,so q i
demand. ueparthuf
Evening public ledger. [volume] (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, 1915-03-16
MOVIE MEN WILL ASK
PROBE OF BREITINGER


Continued from Page Ono
Mr.. Lucas asked for an itemized state
ment. Mr. Breitinger refused to furnish
one. Mr.. Lucas declared that he would
not pay Sl26 a month for the room and
board of Mrs. e. C. Niver, the assistant
censor who had been living at the Rit-
tenhouse Hotel.
The Watertown weekly leader. [volume] (Watertown, Jefferson County, Wis.) 1912-1917, 1915-11-02

match far from him and he tfptoed from
the room. Softly and in his stocking
feet, he crept along the narrow second
story hallway. At last he stood in
front of Annette's door. The door was
closed. Welcher turned the handle
softly, noiselessly, and 1t yielded to
his pressure. The door was not locked.
Under his silent, steady pressure, it
opened on a crack-inch wide-more.
Then suddenly, from within he heard
Annette's voice-a dream voice -
"Neal-Neal"
1t startled him. He stood there 81
lent for an instant. Then he realized
that something had happened to him
he had become sober, too sober, to do
the trick. He felt In his pocket for the
mask. 1t was not there. He had left
In In his room. Stealthily he CROPPED
his way back to his room, opened the
door and reached for the bottle.
Then with choking, inarticulate
cry, he turned and darted down the
stairs, out Of the house and up the
road
His room was a living furnace of
red f1ames-the hastily tossed lighted
match had done it's work.
Outside, Ponto and Hernandez won
der1ng, gave chase. Welcher, with
fear at his heels, sped on and on.
The Watertown weekly leader. [volume] (Watertown, Jefferson County, Wis.) 1912-1917, 1915-11-02

ccngregated about the steps of the
school building in Seaport, N. J. Neal
was there. Some of the thirty he
knew and some he didn't.
Neal started suddenly. A hand was
laid upon his shoulder. He turned.
joey Welcher, his foster brother,
faced him. Joey smiled.
Neal" he said, 81 think I'll take a
hack at this Annapolis exam myself"
For moment Neal was taken back
Then he recovered. Cory" he re-
turned, I'm glad of that. When did
you decide?"
Before you did," replied Welcher,
I've had this up my sleeve for year
or so. I've been boning on the quiet
boning hard
1t was quite true that he had been
boning hard-and also on the quiet
He had been studying the examination
paper dropped accidentally by the con-
gresham in the local post office, and
he had mastered every answer by
heart "You bet your life I'm going
in" he said.
Ten minutes later Neal and Welcher
were seated side by side at desks in
the old-fashioned little schoolroom.
The examination questions had been
written on the ample blackboards that
completely circled the room. The ex-
aminer had copied them from his
printed list of questions.
There was a knock on the door and
the congressman came in The exam
iner left his desk and met the con-
gresham half way. He whispered to
him.
How goes it?" asked the congress
man.
I've only had the chance to look
over young Hardin's papers as they
came in-he's been the first to finish.
They look good to me. They're we'll
nigh perfect. There he is now He's
all through"
MAY the best man win,'' said the
congressman, ''he looks the part at
any rate" He glanced about the
room; he seemed to be trying to re-
member; then he remembered. "Say,
look here" he said, "Beecher's letter
says he mailed me duplicate of those
questions and answers; and I'll swear
l saw a duplicate when I read his
note-did l hand you two or one?"
"One," returned the examiner He
stepped back to his desk Neal handed
in his final paper. The examiner
thrust in front of Neal slip of paper
and a pen. "Sign this, please" he
The Watertown weekly leader. [volume] (Watertown, Jefferson County, Wis.) 1912-1917, 1915-11-02

Again a friendly hama was placed
upon his shoulder. Again it was Joe
Welcher. He sighed with relief. Look
here, Joe," he pleaded, you don't
think I did this thing?"
Joe shrugged his shoulders. Its
all right, old man" he said finally, ''re-
member, no matter what has happened
I'm your friend"
Side by side they entered the cot
tage Annette was theresa was
Meals mother-both waiting eagerly.
Neal strobe to the table, and faced
to the two women, the young one and
the old. He started to speak. Then
he slumped down into chair and hid
his face in his hands.
I'm disgraced," he cried, "you-you
tell 'em, joe"
Welcher told them-with consider
able JUNCTION, putting in fancy touches
of his own.
Neal sprang to his feet-his face
ablaze with anger and determination.
Never mind" he cried, 81 can't get
into Annapolis-but | can get into the
navy and I will. Mother-Annette-
Joe-Tve got to go-the navy calls for
me- I'm going to enlist. I've got to
CO."
The Watertown weekly leader. [volume] (Watertown, Jefferson County, Wis.) 1912-1917, 1915-11-02
NEW HEALTH RULES ISSUED
instructions Given Physicians and
Others Required to Report Com
municable Diseases.

Madison.-The state board of health
issued new set of instructions for
physicians and other persons required
to report communicable diseases.
Cases of diphtheria, scarlet fever,
smallpox, cerebro spinal meningitis,
Asiatic cholera, typhus fever and bu-
bonic plague, typhoid fever, measles,
whooping cough, chicken pox, mumps,
erysipelas, tuberculosis of any organ
and trachema must be reported with
in twenty-four hours. A special form
of blank is to be furnished physicians
for reporting cases of venereal dis
ease.
Diphtheria and membranous croup
cases must be quarantined at least
fourteen days. Minimum quarantine
for scarlet fever is twenty-one days;
for smallpox, until all crusts or scales
have fallen off; for spinal meningitis,
fourteen days; for typhus fever, until
after complete recovery.
The Watertown weekly leader. [volume] (Watertown, Jefferson County, Wis.) 1912-1917, 1915-11-02
is SHOT BY ACCIDENT
STEVENS POINT BOY VICTIM OF
WEAPON IN BROTHERS HANDS.
Children Were Playing With Firearm
Which Was Thought to Be
Not Loaded

Stevens Point-James Stafford. 6
years old, was accidentally shot by
his brother Charles, 10 years old, with
revolver, and died from the effects.
The brothers were playing with their
fathers revolver, which neither
thought was loaded
The boy was taken to Grand Rapids
where an operation was performed.
Twenty holes in the intestines we're
sewed up and piece six inches long
cut off. The bullet was finally traced
through the liver and the lungs.
The boy was conscious until the last
and after the operation talked for
quite while. He told his brother to
go to school every day and to tell the
teacher that he could not come any
more. He had "piece" which he was
to have spoken soon at school and was
repeating it over and over following
the operation. He could not remem-
Der part of it and said he wished his
teacher was there to help him with it.
The Watertown weekly leader. [volume] (Watertown, Jefferson County, Wis.) 1912-1917, 1915-11-02
CHAPTER XIV.
Wind and Limb.

Wind and Limb.
Dress suit case in hand Neal stopped
in front of cigar store in New York.
Next to the cigar store was an en-
trance to stairway that led to the
second floor above. In front of this
entrance paced an officer in uniform.
Recruiting station?" queried Neal,
saluting.
Nothing but" returned the man in
uniform, you're as welcome as the
flowers in May. Ascend" He waved
his hand invitingly. Neal assembled.
Half an hour later he had regularly
enrolled-he was an apprentice sea-
man in the navy. The United States
at it's own expense shipped him with
a squad of recruits to the naval train
ing school at Norfolk.
AS the hours flew by, Meals eyes
were opened. He loved the sea-had
always loved 1t. He plunged into the
life of an apprentice seaman.
He wrote his mother and Annette
that afternoon after drill was over
This is the life," he said to them,
"I've been fighting all the afternoon
aiming thirteen inch guns at hostile
battleships, handling cutter; splicing
The Watertown weekly leader. [volume] (Watertown, Jefferson County, Wis.) 1912-1917, 1915-11-02
is RELATED TO TWO KINGS
Chetek Farmers Grandmother Was
Sister to Marie Louise Victoria
and Leopold /.

Chetek.-Charles Benson, so, living
on a farm near Chetek, is related by
blood ties to the crowned heads of
England and Belgium. His grand
mother was a sister of Marie Louise
Victoria and first cousin of Queen Vic
toria. She was also a sister of Leo
pold | of Belgium. Brought up to q
life of toll, Benson made Evansville
his home for the better part of his
life. Benson never discussed his rela-
tionship to royalty. His mother, who
died many years ago, received letters
and presents from the late Queen Vic
toria, her cousin. One son, William
makes his home in Evansville where
he is a mail carrier. A younger son,
Clyde, is with his father at Chetek.
The Watertown weekly leader. [volume] (Watertown, Jefferson County, Wis.) 1912-1917, 1915-11-02

said. This is what 1t said-and Neal
signed it as requested:
do soiemnly declare on my honor
as gentleman that have neither OBJ
tanned nor given aid of any kind dur
ing the course of this examination.
Neal Hardin, Candidate.
He had no sooner finished signing
than Joe Welcher approached the
desk
Through, Joey?" queried Neal, "Tll
wait for YOU
Welcher signed his own honor slip.
Neal waited-and while he waited, he
thrust his hand into his coat pocket.
There was something unfamiliar
there. Involuntarily he drew it out
it was crumpled printed paper. The
examiners eagle eye was upon it in
an instant.
Haven't been cribbing, boy?" he
exclaimed.
NO" stammered Neal, I'll don't
know what it is" The examiner knew
it however, for the thing it was. He
grabbed Meals hand and snatched the
paper from MIN.
"Oh!" he said, 'the missing dupli-
cate-questions and answers both. No
wonder Hardin's papers were we'll
nigh perfect"
He turned to the congressman-who
nodded understandingly.
81 don't know how it got there"
stammered Neal, 81 didn't put it there
Il never saw the thing before. On
my honor"
"Pah,' cried the congressman, his
eyes flashing, look at it-thumbed
and soiled-he's had it for a week
he's learned the thing by heart"
Angrily he tore up the honor Slip
tore up Meals answers-and flung
them to the floor. He pointed to the
door
Co. he exclaimed, ''the navy's well
rid of sneaks like you
Once outside his pace slackened. He
didn't want to go home. And yet he
must go home-he'd have to tell them
all about it-tell his mother-tell An
nette-how much would they believe?