Daily Kennebec journal. [microfilm reel] (Augusta, Me.) 1870-1975, 1915-04-21

APRIL 81, 1915.
lature advocating the passage OF the
franchise tax hnle"
I don't just remember. replied tne
witness. After the bill was passed
Mr.. Barnes urged me to follow Senator
Pissts advice and refuse 10 sign the
franchise bill Mr.. Barnes said ne
-,ade~the request II the interest OF the
general public"
Payne Rearpeintnent
Did Mr. Barnes ever talk 10 you
abau, re-appointing Louis Payne as
superintendent Of insurance. asked
Nr Bowers
Yes replied the witness ne
talked 10 me several tunes arou.
Payne in the executive manson ana
other places ] was contemplating ihe
removal OF Payne and NJ Barnes was
opposed to that 50 was senator
Plat Mr.. Barnes told me he w2S
sEainst Nj. Payne and said be had 40
vised Mt. Plat not 10 insist upon Ny
Payne. But he added that M Psatt
was the head OF the organization ana
should be backed up Mr. Barnes SAID
that Mr.. Platt's reasons for wanting
Mr.. Payne retained was that ny
/ Payne stood in the good graces OF men
Z who were high up N business AFFAIRS
! I had A talk with Senator Platt-
Mr. Roosevelt, continued. and he toiH
ne I would be beaten OF confirmation
/ Of any man / might decide upon %
take Mr.. Payne's place told that 10
Mr.. Barnes and he said PANE mus
he re-apposa,ed. Then made an il
vsstigzsion and found that what Ny
Barnes and Senator Plat had said ap-
ra-ensIy was true
Argues With Justice Andrews
At that point. Mr.. Roosevelt asked
the court whether he might ,sl Of the
conversations he had with Mr.. Barnes
o., ne ethics Of boss rule Justice
Andrews said that was irna-e-lal-
( Witness ana justice then entered into
discussion which resemblet Il argu-
-l.ent between counsel, but the court
reid 70 liz original decision
Nj. Iv1-s then Objected 70 q question
involving Nj Murphy
ii Nr Nu--ays name & 70 come Inc
this ca.s TOW ! think re ought 70 have
4 something q SHOW that ne Is Z leader o.
the Democratic pa-y. We also seoGi3
have something about Mr. Barns bang
: leader. As 3 mater o. fat, M-. Mn
rhy was 10, leader &: Ta-n-a1y Hall Il
.sss when these things are supposed .
have occurred
Justice Andrews said Ire lEfer5ace MAS
taken thai someone was leader O. ToE,-
many Hall then and that the cEfsnc2n-
Learned that ths-e vas Al agresneaE t.
tween the Republican and Democratic
leaders During tbs discussion CD
Roosevelt crooked Up lis ioLs1 .1Ear
ID SUMMON NJ. Bowers % TIE witness
chair.
Are you trying % help your lawye.
cut asse1 NJ WINS
No said Nj Roosevelt bit
haven't tod I'll about the discussion upon
TIE ethics c. toss rule z-d upon d=al-
lags With : t.oss other than ~. Barnes =
No sad NJ. Iy.rs. and w= z-e Try
ing 20 prevent yen from dong So
The attorneys tc- both sides conferred
with the -zs,ice- Finally the cov-- a.
-aooEced thar ,As question @ admitting
Testimony regarding things not mention
ed Z The answer 10 ths complain. would
r. d-ctde5 Tomorrow. Meanwhile he tol5
the attorneys thsy might continue along
another line
Now. Cci. Roosevelt sad NJ. Bow
e-s. -3s th=-= anything yo- have forgot
7e- concerning She conversations yo-
hAv5 Ia. with NJ Barnes
Yes replied the ~lt-ess M. Rzrnas
stated .E1, i vas ESSENTIAL 70 q-c.ec-
the tag business Interests b=carss 1--ess
thsy Ne-e protected they wo1lc ast
make co-c-ls--[o-s 70 the parry falling
70 protect than; shz. without such COT
i-1outoEs = vas impossible 10 cary o.
TIE organization. and tha, without organ
iEatoa- without lasd=rS. without bosSas-
( lie used Specifically re wort bosses
parry soyern-eEt VS. Impossible AID
r. Used this .st-ase. The people ara 10.
20 govern themselves -hsy have &c. -
L sove--ed By 1A- party organization
and ron cannot III n organization. ron.
cannot have leaders unless yo- hgv=
-1onsy- believe III. conversation wzs
cvsr re Franchise TAX t3-l. bu- in scb-
stance Ezzs -=lss-=5 70 n+ y NJ. Barnes
IN :. lsas- : do-s- c.hs- c-cca<t5-s-
Frserciy VIII Barnes
Cot Roosevelt said that n $50 and -sY
hs was entirely friendly wt.A NJ. Ea--e.
Is Re looked forward 20 rs 5evs!opz-s-.
into Ihs saEs kind O. leader as h:
grandfather
TIE Co,c-el 266e6. y co--eseozsei
with hin before acd after ! vas Pres
ideac az3 NJ Barnes visited ne &.
the White House CT : number Of &C.
cosons- Sometimes he came with Mrs.
Ra-es- Altar - when Nj. Hughes
became governor q NeR York spoke
Of hin sa-t-al c5-ee 10 III. Barnes
On r-zI-s-s = Albany Far instance, on
cre occasion said 70 M-. Barnes
that MI Belmont. nv former -acs
cso-nrn-ssic1s-. had called uYro ne and
said that h was much opposed "a
race track legislation he wanted an
Opportunity % state his opposition
based primarily upon the fast ia.
such legislation would destroy shs
. breeding stables to- -ho-oughsresss. NJ
Esl-ont also said re- would withdraw
( his opposition If he became convinced
. that any G-U-ro-s@- methods zre-s 80