New Britain herald., 1915-04-23
BARNES sort OF DR..
JEKYLL AND Mr.. HYDf,"
, SAYS COL. ROOSEVELT
CONTINUED from First Page.)

lcious attack on Mr.. Barnes. l re-
fused to attack any man in my au-
. photography that 1 could help. In
. my statement I wanted to appeal to
the voters of New York state"
n Since this action was begun have
You referred to your autobiography?
II think / have"
"Do you know your language on
g. the stand and in your autobiography
has at times been identical?"
II don't know. ] do not think
that is the case 1t might be-"
"In your statement you refer to in
visible government Now, this is
from your autobiography
81 WINS Reads Excerpt
! II AR WINS read an excerpt that had
to do with invisible government and
publicity for campaign contributions.
Mr.. WINS wont on:
Was there at that time a law
about publishing campaign contribu
tions?" tt..
Il don't think So"
Did you ever mention invisible
government before your return from
Africa
Didn't Use Words.
Il didn't use those words. But
referred to the thing in a mes
sage 1 sent to congress in 1905"
Did Perry Belmont start the move
! ment to require publication of CAM
Raign contributions"
He might have. I urged such
measure in congress"
~ t41ad you until that time ever called
the attention of the voters to the
dangers of invisible government and
fnapaSSitV Of ch i'm aiurr,
expenses"
Il did," 81 III
WINS Asks for Copies.
! 81 Mr.. Wins asked Colonel Roosevelt
to produce copies of his messages to
congress. The colonel said he would
do so later in the day.
j. Ri did you officially mention cam
pasn expenses and publicity before
i90S?"
d I'm have to refresh my memory
on that from my messages ...
when did Charles F. Murphy be-
come the nominal leader of the dem
ocratic party in New York;
Murphy Actual Leader.
He was not the nominal leader
n he became the actual leader after Mr.
/ Croker went to Europe, first in New
York and then throughout the state
He became dominant"
t'Who succeeded Mr.. Croker in the
leadership of Tammany Hall?"
p I've told you, Mr.. Murphy"
Don't you know there was a tri-
umTirate in control of Tammany
hall?"
..- Knew of Fight. ..
J. Il don't know about that I know
q ffrrj, ir,x ,;oI~
P1sons, including Mr.. 'Fingy' civilian
j. Corners of Buffalo were concerned.
I don't know which side he was on.
just heard Of it, ...
well, now, while you were gov
erner there was invisible government,
you say. Why didn't you make an
attack then similar to the one you
made on Mr.. Barnes?"
! IF they had blocked the legisla-
ton I wanted, would have"
Wins Is Aroused.
1 Dir. WINS then requested the court
to instruct the witness to answer cate
Bgorically and not go beyond and make
Statements ~
IF the rules of law are observed
and this witness is treated as. any
cher witness began Mr.. Twins
Justice Andrews raped with his
gavel and said:
d "Mr. WINS, this witness is treated
i the same as other witnesses. I won't
permit any such language here"
Offers an Apology.
. II apologize said Mr. WINS, and
continued his cross examination.
did you ever give any publicity to
the fact that you, Mr.. Plat and Mr..
4 Odell conferred over a successor for
Louis Payn?''
81 didn't. The newspapers did,"
SDid you confer with Mr.. Plat
about appointing Mr.. Hendricks COM
missioner of public works?'
PIatt Made Offer.
NO not particularly. Senator Plat
4 himself offered Mr.. Hendricks. the
place. He (Platt) showed a telegram
OF acceptance from Mr.. Hendricks"
AS the witness told this he laughed,
and the spectators joined in with
#him.
4 "How many times in 1899 did you
see Mr.. Barnes alone?"
II couldn't say. Many times. Some
i times l would talk to him in the ex-
"A ecutive chamber at Albany when
other people were in the ROOM"
IF Mr.. Barnes said he talked to
Al you once would you say he was
Al wrong ?"
Had Dozen Conversations.
81 would. 1 had a dozen converse
II tons with Mr.. Barnes"
IF Mr.. Barnes diary would show he
had one conversation with you alone
and. six when other people were pre-
sent, would still say he was wrong?"
~ would. / remember conversa-
kinnS In q club in the executive man