New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-05-04
THROW TWOLIGHTS
ON HARNESS VIEWS
One Witness Says He FIouted
Murphy-Another Tells of
Break with Hughes.
From star couosponara, o. TIE Trisun,.l

Break with Hughes.
From 4 star Correspondent ~ TIE Trlbun,l
Syracuse, May 3.-Two conversations
with William Barnes related on the
witness stand to-day gave an interest
ing sidclight on his attitude on at least
two important matters OF legislation.
The witnesses were called by the de-
fence. but the answer one Of them gave
did not connect Mr.. Barnes with
Charles T Murphy in the way the de-
fence had hoped. The witness said Mr.
Barnes had told him he did not intend
to pluck the Murphy chcstnuts out Of
the fire.
The other conversation related TO the
anti-racctrack bill. Jacob J. Dickinson
said Mr.. Barnes told him it was a mat
ter Of politics and not Of conscience.
Mr. Dickinson, who is a representa-
tive OF the State Department in con-
rccGon with the entertainment O.
commissioners Of foreign governments
to the Panama. Pacific Exposition, came
from Washington in response to tel
erhone message lie said he repre-
scented "Thc New York Herald in Al
bany when the conversation took place,
about April 70, 1908.
"Nr Barnes told me Of a talk he had
with Governor Hughes about the race
track bill" the witness continued. Gle
told me he reminded Governor Hughes
that at the convention where he was
nominated the issue Of racetrack leg
islation had been carefully avoided. IL
was not in The platform, and, he asked,
vbv. under the circumstances, the
Governor wished TO precipltate such
pp issue. The Governor replied u was
p matter Of conscience with him. To
this Mr.. Barnes told him, he said 70
me. that If il was matter Of con-
science and not Of politics there was
no common ground on which they
could stand
Barnes Against Hughes.
Mr.. Dickinson said Mr. Barnes told
him the Governor would not get
going to oppose his denomination.
Further, Mr. Barnes told him how he
had summoned Senator Grafton and
induced him to change his mind and
cast his vote against the racetrack bill.
Walter r. Arndt testified that in the
fall of 1911 he had a talk with Mr..
Barnes at state headquarters in regard
10 the B,auyelt direct primary law
PASSED at the previous session OF the
LCgisIature Mr. Arndt, who is now
secretary Of the Municipal Government
Association, was then Albany cOrre-
spondcnt OF THE New York Evening
Post"
Mr.. Barnes told him, witness said,
that some time during the session he
had got message from Mr.. Murphy,
Of Tammany Hall, that the primary
bills would pass unless the Repub-
Leans cast their votes with the Tam
many men in opposition; that the up
state me3 who had opposed the cleo
ton Of William F. Shcehan TO the
United States Senate were likely TO
favor the primary bill, and that he
wanted 'hc Republicans to help him
defeat IT,
The reply Of MIR. Barnes, according
10 AIuGt was that it was Mr.. Murphy's
own business. as he had a Democratic
majority m both houses Of the Legis-
laturc.
"Was that all he said?" broke in Mr..
Van Benschoten, Of defence, eager to
connect Mr. Barnes and Mr.. Murphy.
NO" replied the witness. "Iie told
me he had sent back word to Mr.. Muir
ply that he could pull his own chest
nuts out of the fire"
Nt-;t-n.g nufcIi,, n-n,,.J
The defence, which had expected to
ask the witness TO testify in regard to
the alleged conspiracy over direct prim-
airy legislation and the election Of Jo-
than p. Aids, excused him at once.
When Edward T. Platt, son OF the
late Senator Thomas c. Plat, mounted
the witness stand with a big travelling
bag filled with CORE spondence Of his
father, there were visions of sensations
rival'ng those of last week. lie had
brought CORE pondence as one Of the
executors Of the estate and under sub
pwna from the defence.
The witness said he had with him the
originals Of letters from Colonel Roose-
welt and William Barnes to Senator
Plat, and copies Of letters the Senator
had written to them, covering a period
between 1890 and 1909. Some of the
letters were destroyed i'm April, May
June and July, 1913, Mr.. Plat said,
with no other purpose than to decrease
the amount Of the correspondence. lie
could not remember just what letters
had been done away with.
"The suggestion has been made"
Hrokc in Mr.. WINS, that only a part of
these letters be turned over to counsel
for Mr.. Roosevelt, without regard 70 its
confidential character or whom it af-
fects and permitting him TO sit down
and 20 over a dead mans records"
IL was arranged that a representative
Of each side should 30 over the letters
together in an effort TO reach some sort
Of an understanding.
Then Justice Andrews said he would
go over the selected letters and pass Oh
their pertinency TO the case.
Charles NJ. Winchester, who became
general manager Of the j. 2. Lyon
Printing Company in 1900 and vice
president in 1907, and is holding both
Offices now, testified that James b
Lyon, head of the firm, was too i'll TO
appear or TO make a deposition and
had been in that condition for the
last two months. lie said the bonds
of the company amounted 10 500 GOO
and the stock 10 100000. all out
standing, hut later he testified that
some Of the stock had been turned
back 10 the company. No additional
stock or bonds had been issued, addi-
tons to the plant having been made
out Of earnings.
Mr.. Winchester said he had known
Mr.. Barnes since 1896, but the only
business dealings he had with him
80.