Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1915-04-21
URGED HIM TO FOLLOW
ADVICE OF SENATOR PLAI"r

ooh Just remember, replied the
witness.
URGED HIM TO FOLLOW
ADVICE OF SENATOR PLA1"r
messed continued. Mr.. Barnes urged
mo to follow Senator Flats advice
and refuse TO sign the franchise bill.
Did Mr.. Barnes ever talk to you
about reappointing Louis +, Payn as
superintendent OF Insurance." asked
Mr.. Bowers
Yes" replied the witness. - was
contemplating the removal OF Mr.. Payr.
and Mr. Barnes was opposed TO THAI.
He told me he was against Mr.. I'ayn.
ana said he had advised Mr. piatt not
to insist upon Mr.. payn. But he added
that Mr.. Platt Was the head OF The OIL
ganiZation. and should hc backed up.
Mr.. Barnes said that Mr.. Platts reason
for wanting Mr.. payn retained was
that Mr.. Payn stood In the good graces
of men who were high up in business
affairs.
II had talk with Senator Plat. and
II, told me | would be beaten on con-
hrmation of any. man I might decide
on TO take Mr.. Payn's place. told
that to Mr.. Barnes. and he said Senator
Ilatt was right, and that payn must
be reaEpointed. Then made an in
vestiaation, and ] found that what MI.
liarnes and Senator plntt had said aD-
parcnty was true"
the court whether he might tell of the
conversation he had with Mr. Barnes
on the ethics of boss rule Justice
Andrews said that was immaterial.
Witness and justice then entered into
Il discussion, which rcsemblcd an argu-
nient between counsel but the cour.
heid TO it's original decision. Colonel
Roosevelt turned to Mr.. Bowers. and
said:
can | confer with you n momcnt?''
oh. no." replied Mr. bowers. we
lawyers have ways Of getting such
things In evidence. We will get it in
another way"
Objects To QUESTION
INVOLVING MIR. MURPHY
Mr. WINS then objected to "a question
involving Mr.. Murphy.
III Mr.. Murphy's name Is to come
into this case now think we ought to
have something to show that he is a
leader OF the Democratic party We
also should have something about Mr.
Barnes being leader. Al least two
persons must be in a conspiracy, and
We have nothing yet to show that Mr..
Murphy actually leads a section of the
Democratic party AS Il matter Of fact
Mr. Murphy wasn't leader Of Tammany
nan IN 1899, when these things testified
10 are supposed TO have occurred"
Justice Andrews said the Inference
was taken that some one was leader of
Tammany Hall then, and that the de-
PENDANT learned that there was an ar
eument between the Republican and
Democratic leaders.
After extended argument the
court announced that the question Of
admitting testimony regarding things
not mentioned in the answer to the
complaint would be discussed to-nor-
row morning, when attorneys for both
sides will appear before him for a con-
tst yh.. t,.. L.
attorneys they might continue along
another line.
Now Colonel Roosevelt" said Mr..
lowers. lis there anything YOU have
forgotten TO state concerning the con.
versat!ons YOU have had with Mr..
Barnes
Yes" replied III. witness. "Mr.
Barnes stated that II was essential to
protect the biz business interests be-
cause unless they were protected they
would not make contributions to the
party failing to protect them: that
without such contributions IL was i'm
possible to carry on the organization
and that without organization without
leaders. without bosscs-hc used spc-
cincaliy the word 'bosscs'-party gov
ernment was impossible. And he used
this phrase: The people are not Mt 10
govern themselves. They have got to
be governed by the party organization
and you cannot run an organization
YOU cannot have leaders, unless YOU
have money believe this CONVERSE
ton was over the franchise tax bill. but
in substance was repeated to me by Mr.
BARNES on at least a dozen other occa-
sionS.
Colonel Roosevelt said that In 1899
ana 1890 Mr. Barnes was surveyor OF
the port at Albany lie was appointed
by President Mckinley and Colonel
Roosevelt rcappoin,ed him.
ALL PREPOSSESSIONS
STRONGLY IN HIS FAVOR
IAN my prcpossessions were strong
ly in Mr.. Barncs's favor" the colonel
said. 81 correspondent with him before
and after WAS President, and MI
Barnes visited me at the White House
OF n number Of occasions"
When Colonel Roosevelt was excused