New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-07-05

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Sergeant George Barnc.z. 1t had been
given to Warden William +. Huitss,
with the request thai it be mailed.
Tunney asked Holt what he pLrposed
doing with the Morgan children and
Morgan did as I wanted him 70 make
the upper room Of which he spoke.
Hold them as hostages until Mr.
Morgan lid, as wanted him to, make
him 90 to Europe and stay there until
he could return and say that he had
cone what ! told hlm 20 do replied
Holt.
"Supposing that Mr. Morgan got a
troop Of soldiers 20 dislodge you
asked Tuaney.
"Supposing Mr. Mcrgan refused 70
Go as you wished. What would you
have done, shot him CT his Wi'e anu
ohildren?"
Holt hesitsted moment and then
answered:
"Shot her and the kids"
But how did you expect 20 keep the
woman and the chilG-cc IN ROOM
even il you had succeeded in getting
them into one?'
I'D have held them Sll righ.
But how would you have fed
them?"
I'D let them cut a hole in thc door
10 pass in food. That was all right
Children Spoiled Scheme.
But. YOU see. the whole thing went
wrong because the kids went upstairs
ahead Of their father. II they had
been between me and Mr. Morgan the
plan would have worked sH right
did not prepare for ihst.
oYou feel sure Of that, do your
"Sure. with the children between us
he would had to have done as wanted
him 10 do He would have had no
choice. II he'd seen the revolvers /
had he would have had to do as ! told
him 70. He would not have taken
chance on the consequences
That is the gist OF the two hours
eril!inc of Holt by Tunney, Major Kay
mond ". Pullman. Of the Washington
police: William J. Flynn. chief OF the
United States Secret Service, and later
police Commissioner Arthur Woods.
Holt AZ times was most voluble in his
talk. but he did not tell his quesuoners
ANYTHING he did not want 20 dlvulge.
Tkev were particularly anxious to
learn where he had purchased or other
wise obtained the dynamite ne used iII
Washington and had in his POSSESSION
al Glen Cove. He would not answer
that question, though 1t was framed IN
many ways.
or. 81 do not think that that is I'M
How many letters did you write
President Wilson? ?" asked Captain
Flynn. ,.. .
aid Holt
Had you any accomplices'" he was
asked.
am. a student and a teacher, married
and with children. Who would go
to-"
Persons like yourself thinking like
YOU did. Did you not talk this thing
over with somebody
Absolutely, no."
Plot His Alone.
Holt. do you expect us TO believe
that you. feeling IS you did about TINS
thing. did not talk over ways ana
means Of preventing the stopping. OF
arms and supplies for Europe :! asked
Captain Tunney.
THAT is exactly what l want you 10
believe. l intended TO do thlsl thing
myself. 10 see II InrouRn.
What | was going TO do was TO get
those people into the room and tell
Vorgan that if he valued the lives Of
his wife and children he would do as l
wanted him to and stop this slaughter
But how did you expect 20 get the
children into that room you speak Of
why, just ask them up. lhey "oulo
have gone"
"Of course, you thought the pist, Is
Won had might have helped them make
up their minds
And once in the room, what did
you propose to do ,
Make Mr.. Morgan believe that |
would kill them if he did not do as |
would have insisted he do:
"The thing went wrong, ! admit, but
l still hope that good will come from
But now did you ever dope ut
such a thing" Captain Flynn asked.
"a have thought seriously about
this slaughter and the way we are
taking part in it. l don't care now
much they fight in Europe, but we nave
no business being in il. / wanted 70
get America out of it. | wanted our
hands to be clear Of innocent blood.
81 had a hard winter Of it in school
and my wife went away month or
six weeks ago. Then | began to think
~ this thing more than l had before.
finally decided that the thing TO 90
was TO act. | did not care damn
how much they fought in Europe, but
wanted America 10 keep out of IT, !
wanted a real neutrality.
Wanted Public Attention.
81 knew if l blew up part Of the
Capitol and forced this man Morgan
to do my will that the capitalistic
press would be bound TO write the
thing up. That would attract public
attention 10 the necessity of abandon
ing this traffic in murder machines.
By forcing the most powerful man IN
America to do as l wanted him TO do,
the public would necessarily have be-
come interested and see things as we
see them"
At times during his talk Holt would
ramble and in the words OF one OF MS
questioners the talk would lust fade
away"
This was particularly true on the
matter Of where he bought the dyna-
mite. He said he had travelled from
place 10 place trying to get the eN-
plosive. but he would not say who re-
fused TO sell TO him and who had finally
sold him his supply.
Finally he ended this discussion by
saving that Wednesday, after he had
been arrugned and recommitted TO
await the action of the grand jury, he
would tell everything he knew.
"Why wait until Wednesday, asked
Pullman. Are you waiting 20 allow
an accomplice 10 escape ?"