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ship. and tina; under those crcum-
stances, | would notify them that !
would decline and thai ! would fght
for the Governorship IN the fall MIR.
platt said All right then, II will he a
fight and said Yes. it will he a
fight. and went downstairs
q. Did you see Mr.. Fiat again? A.
7 did.
O. How did YOU happen to 60 10 see
Mr. Plat again? A. lie sent mes
senger saying that the conversation /
was having. tho statements was maxi
ing to tho delegates, must he due -
my having misunderstood him.
q Who was the messenger \. l
think the messenger was Frank Platt.
Agreement Reached.
Q. Very well. what happened? A. 7
went upstairs and Mr.. Platt said he
had been In great pain and ] must
not mind what he had said that In view
of my opposition he would withdraw any
idea OF nominating me for Vice-Presi-
dent and that | would he nominated for
Governor and that the delegation down
stairs would declare for Lieut.. Gov.
Timothy Woodruff for Nice-Presdent.
which it did. TimotN Woodruff was
declared for and | was never nominated
or nominated by New York in the con-
Ncntion
The last explaining Col. Roosevelt
was called upon to- do for the day re-
lated to his correspondence with Platt
about "our friends of the New York
central" Plat wrote to Gov. Noose-
vel; that the franchise tax bill was not
pleasing to the railroads because 1t did
not exempt grade crossings. Col
Roosevelt testified to-day that he put
the matter up to the 1ex commission
crs. who told him they were neutral
He said he was astonished ~ the re-
ply and told them II was impossible for
them to hc neutral i'm such matter.
Eventually he made them take stand
which was In opposition To the bill Plat
wanted. bin eNcmpt,ng grade cross
ings from the operations of the fran
chise tax law Thereupou Gov. RooSe-
welt wrote Ia Plat. saying he was
sorry but he had settled the matter.
This ended the days work.
Among the visitors in court was
hverell Hartman. son Of the late
Edward II Hartman. whose relations
with President Roosevelt have formed
part Of the evidence.
The hearing VIII go on tomorrow
morning.
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other Senators, and so had Senator Flatt.
We talked over what they had said,
but | finally decided that ! would not
take II. II was AT Philadelphia that the
thing came to head
q. Now then. with our recollect on
thus refreshed. can you tell me what
MIR. platt first said to you on the SUBJ
ject? \. Senator Plat had urged that
II would he necessary for me to run on
the ground that party leaders whom !
had met in Washington from other parts
OF the country felt that my combination
would strengthen the ticket, and that
the party had right to expect me 20
run, and told him that f. was to me a
very unproductive place, that did not
see what ] could do in II that ! would
Ike TO go on as Governor because there
was one or two Jobs TO put through
as Governor and that as regards the
vice-Presidency ] felt | could really been
doing better work II ! had gone back
to private life. mentioned to him
that two or three individuals who had
a right to speak on the subject had
spoken of my taking professorship of
history. In the first place. | had to
work, and In the next place IL was
necessary, having children to bring up.
that should work. ! thought would
rather take up n profcssorship of his
tory than go into the Nice-Presidency.
q. The result of it all was? \. That
Mr. i'latt urged and supported my be-
coming Nice-president. aud rs time went
on he urged IL more and moro strongly
and finally became very insisteut upon
IL.
His Break with PInu.
@. Now. then. what happened at the
convention with Mr.. Plat, II YOU had
any conversations with him? \. When
| got to Philadelphia MIR. Platt VINO
had met with an accident. was con-
fined 20 his room He sent for me. =;
the time the New York delegates were
meeting 20 decide on the question of 2
Nice-President. and Informed me that
must accept the ce-presidential nom
nation. and that ! would not be re-
nominated as Governor. ! said AZ
right then We will fight thai did NOT
intend to accept the Nice-presidency.
and that I would go at once down
stairs where the New York delegates
were assembled and inform them that
II New York declared for me for Vice.
presiden- | would accept 1t as an as
sault on mo ny the organization ~
order to get me out Of the Governor
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court as he rap banged with his gavel
averrcd In effect that the Colonel had a
right TO testify with his Ten fingers
and toes II he needed them In action for
emphasizes sake.
There were new flashes Of interest all
through the day. with the Colonel de-
scribing how Plat always had at heart
the interests OF the widow and orphan /:
why he had made appointments to
please senator Grady how Hughes had
asked him to make the fight against
Barnes in 1910, the fight that turned
Barnes into a Mr.. Hyde type of boss,
according to the Colonel how his meet
ings and breakfasts with PIatt might as
well have been held In a public square.
SO open and harmless they were: how
II was necessary to show Plat copies of
his messages in advance. because he felt
this was desirable on public grounds ::
how he often went against Plat when
the peoples interests were concerned !:
how keenly he had wanted to be renom-
mated for Governor. how he would
rather have become a professor of his
tory than Vice. President Of the United
states; why he made this appointment
and that.
Pretty Much His Own Lawyer.
And throughout II all he was pretty
answers further questions for Mr.. Bow
ers to put. resuming his May ! he al
lowed to state" in putting questions TO
the jury spattng with Mr.. WINS and
generally having high old time. a
bully time. lie accepted the courts
admonitions with great Difference. almost
with humility. and he turned quite
often to Justice Andrews to inquire,
Now. is that proper? should ] be
permitted"
The mans vigor. his resources OF
mental and physical strength are amaz-
ing. At the close OF the day he had
been on the stand siN days and a half,
undergoing thirty-siN hours of the hard
est kind of strain. yet Tonight he was
fresh and playful and anxious to go on.
Mr.. WINS remarked tn the court that
he was tired. Not so the Colonel He
laughed gayly
I'm not tired. You can't tire me
out. Mr. WINS.
During a conference between counsel
and the Justice he expressed regret 70
Mr. WINS that the name OF Charles II.
Beckett. formerly Surrogate OF New
York county. had been injected into the
case. Mr.. WINS had demanded in the
cross-examination why GOV. Roosevelt
refused 10 appoint Mr.. Beckett.
I'VE shouldn't make war on non-com-
batants. Mr. WINS" said the Colonel
War is hell" said Mr. WINS.
Yes. | know" said Colonel Roose
welt. But this was regrettablc. You
can make all the war on me you want.
I'll be in the fight. but don't like to
see non-combatants dragged in
Tomorrow is likely to he the Colo
nel's last day on the stand. Nj. Bow
ers has not many more questions to put
to him, apparently, since the most es-
sential points made by Mr.. WINS have
been reviewed He probably will finish
! the redirect examination by noon. Then
Mr. WINS will take UP the recross-exam-
! ination. However. by tomorrow eve-
ming the Colonel may be merely spec
tator and not the central figure toward
which all eyes turn and all ears lean.
The witnesses called i'm his defence have
been YEARLY waiting their turn and
the Colonel doesn't want to keep them
on the side lines for an uncomfortable pc
/ Rod
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Mr. Bowers went into the franchise
tax dispute between Plat and Roose-
Welt very thoroughly and established that
Plau objected to the whole principle OF
such tax and hat the Governor was
objecting merely to certain methods OF
tax collection. lie showed that the blu
was passed and signed in spite OF flatts
protests He gave the Colonel an OPP
portunity to explain very iully:
MIR. Plat said TO me that II was true
that the big corporations which had
very extensive interests and whose di-
rectors were morally bound to look after
the interest of their Investors. especially
the widows and orphans, that those corr
porations did contribute to both parties.
They did 1t as a matter OF self-d"tence,
that 1t Was not done as matter OF
poli,ics, hut OF business ;hat they were
not forced into doing il. but Ina; their
interests had TO be taken care or by
conservative men.
They had to be protected from the
onslaughts Of fanatics and dishonest
men | cannot say that he used the
words fanatics and dishonest men. but
words equivalent TO them. That the
only way TO protect their interests was
to keep alive the responsible parry or
ganiZations. They contributed to pnth'
He iP!attp subsequently named two
gentlemen and big corporation as nav
ing contributed to the campaign iund
Of the preceding fall and he stated tnat
il was matter OF honorable ubliga-
ton ON his part. having received those
contributions TO defend the corporations
when they were unjustly attacked. as
he believed them to he unjustly attacked
i'm connection with the iranchlse TAX
bill that I was advocating.
The Colonel had an opportunity next
to explain why he made appointments at
he request of Tammany leader. SEN
ator Thomas r Grady.
O. would like to have you tell the
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NO REPLY FROM TURKEY.
Washington Awaits Answer to
MRssRcre RcprcscntntiOna.

WAsHlSGToS. April as.--No response
has been received from this Govern
ment's appeal To- the Turkish Govern
ment for relief for Armenian Christians
in Turkey. Ambassador Norgcnthau at
Constanrinorlc has been instructed 20
make representations To Turkey IN this
respect. ard the reply is awaited with
considerable interest.
Tho act'n" was taken AZ tho rcqucs, ~
tho Russian Government. which 70
ported through its Ambassador here that
there have been massacres and threats
Of fur her otlaEcs
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LAND PARADE OPENS
FLEET REVIEW HERE
Programme Arranged for
Events and Presidents Visit
on May II.


WAsurSGroS. April 2S--The pro-
for tho fleet revicv I'm Now
~. -, a., - :. -. II.
W. "''''' ''"H - '''' - '"S '''''
pubic AT the VINE House to-day FOL
lowing a conference between the prcsi-
do,, .,,, coc,o,.~,. n,,,i,ls
,-...-...,.
Tue P'o-'"'"''e give" "u' "'S'S WV"
the start of tho parade at 10 o'clock On
Monday morning. MAY II, md the ar-
,.a,r.,oo ., ,,o pro,i,to,,, a,.,i so.ro,.,,,.
Wv
hdilels on IN" reNI'"lhE Stdhn' Nh'e
e. has not been definitely decided, It is
nrohabs the President will GO from
v...,,i,,u.,,, 60 500. v,,ri. ~, ,ha III
N'''' w. 49, ." WI WV "'
flower accompanied by Secretary 1u-
multy. pr. cary Grayson. Miss Margaret
Wilson and Miss Helen "oodro" Bones
The tentative prorrainm" is as fo'lo"s:
10 \ NJ. Parade s'arts-pres dent
ana secretary OF inc Navy proceed
!" .oo iIa., -, ,o.,do ,,,sso.
70 NJ Parade returns to ships
- VI i'esloent returns 10 Way
...~s and na,,,,j,s ral on pr.side,,,
on board Mayflower.
$3.50 i. VI. MaNrower gets under
way, followed ny Dolphin ana press
boat, and reviews fleet at anchor, pass
ing between battleshipS ana SHORE,
thence around end OF fleet and back
between hatt!"sh.ps and destroyer no.
tina, returning I" anchorage
80 +. NJ. President dimes on board
the wyoming.
\ 30 to H:3o = VI. Races between
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mony every step of the way. This
was what the Colonel loved. He was
no longer corded by the rules of evil
dcnce that obtain on cross-examina-
ion fle was freed voice and limb
and he jumped into the battle
o. counsellors with rough rider"
yehemence.
The hardest fight Of the day, one
that stirred all the spectators. was
vs. the matter of the campaign con-
,rihutions of 1904 Mr.. Wins. YOU will
recall mad read to the Colonel from
what he intimated was n copy OF the
report made by the Clapp committee
q list of the heavy contributors to the
Republican campaign fund Of the
Roosevelt Parker year. naming Per-
kins as coming across" with so
much. George Won i. Meyer as dig
cling up" another s25.O0O and r.. \.
stotcsbury of Philadelphia. among
many, rs a generous giver.
Liaht ON Campaign Fund.
The colonel had taken MIR Ivinss
word Tor it that an actual report of the
iAktn lVins's word for IL that the cam.
pAgu fund OF 1904 was 5000, 900 and
more. This morning Mr.. Bowers in
formed the court that Mr.. WINS had
deceived and misled the witness-that
he names of contributors and amounts
we're read from testimony given by Eli
mer Dover before the Clapp committee
and not proved to be facts and that Mr..
WINS had deliberately led the Colonel
l. sh.xl. f. q M
when u was only n mere 1880. goo
s3ooo,ooo having been the pot in 1900.
he Mckinley year.
Then the fur did ny. Mr.. WINS In
sisted that his veracity and good faith
had been impugnei by his old friend
Mr. Bowers. MIR. Bowers asserted that
he matter was beyond friendship and
that a great and able lawyer had tried
% trick the Colonel after the Colonel
lad trusted him. MIR wins replied that
he certainly had never tried to mislead
% astute a witness or any other wit
ness for that matter.
Smiling impishly and rubbing his
hands together. the Colonel enjoyed the
whole row hugely and climbed into IL
himself whenever h" could Jam word
or Two into the uproar of counsel. Even
,ually the tact and iirnness of Justice
andrews smoothed down the fuss and
the colonel was permitted to correct his
testimony in the light Of the situation
brought out by Mr.. Bowers.
The, 60 at ~ again.
A little later they were AT il again.
The colonel. 50 earnest and emphatic In
MS desire to make the jury see that his
dealings with rlatt were actually COM
mendahle lost sight of the fact APP
pareutly. that he was in court room,
half rose from his chair and smote his
palms together as he explained break
iasls. letters. conferences and his own
high purposes.
Nj WINS in that weary manner he
knows how TO assume SO tellingly,
averrei that Col. Roosevelt ought to
he made To answer with tongue alone
and not with swinging hands and feet.
And 'hcu the Colonel gibed back and
Mr. Bowers remarked that the Colonel
couldn't believe as other men, and the
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Wins Protests Nnarily.


Now. II your Honor please. I ask that
mis- witness he requested to testify with
out gesticulation and in the ordinary
and In the usual way OF witness" he
said
MIR. Bowers--Well. he won't do that.
Mr.. 1vins--I ask this, that the court
compel him to do it,
The Court--The with Is can testify in
his ordinary manner. The court cant.
OF course. regulate the precise manner
III which the witness shall testify to n
Jury or the precise emphasis which he
snail give TO certain words.
Mr.. Ivins-1 object to the witness be-
ing permitted to testify to this jury. ac-
campaigning his testimony by gesticula-
ton which is not evidence. Gesticulation
affects the mind Of the jury. We cannot
control his emphasis vocally. but ges-
ticulation IL just as much a part of the
testimony as the spoken words and | OBJ
ject to the gesticulation.
Mr.. Bowere--lf the gesticuation Ia
part OF the testimony. submit. your
Honor. that 1t remains OF very great inn
portance.
The Court should not attempt to
regulate the ordinary manner Of the wit
ness with regard TO language or the en-
phasis OF the witness or even his ges-
ticulation in giving his testimony. will
give YOU an exception.
Mr.. fvins--We take an exception to
that ruling.
The bride of now. Col Roosevelt, went
at IL hard.
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BREAKFASTED WITH PLATT
IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST

The breakfasts with Flat were OK
plained by the Colonel as breakfasts IN
the public interest.
@ Now, Mr.. Roosevelt, ! wan 10
lrov about your meetings vito MI
plau when you breakfasted with him ~
Tho Fifth Avenue Hotel or whom he
breakfasted with YOU NJ your brothe.-
in-law's: was there anything clandestire
abou, them" \. There was nothing
landestine about them. | insisted thai
every meeting betw cen myself and Nv
Plat should he known TO the press
that there should be no possible conceal
mert of the fact thai ! was meeting
MIR Plat, whatever.
O. There was evidence brought oHt IN
the cross-eXamination as TO your sea-
ing a message TO Mr.. Plat. What was
YOUR purpose in sending II 10 Mr.. III
A. To get the benefit of any advice ne
might give me and find out II ne M
any objections. so ! might meet lhem II
POSSIBLE. and also that he should know
fully and fairly just what my positi"a
was going to he.
q. And did you feel 1t your du'y 20
rim, as leader of the Republican or
panization and to those with whom he
was associated that YOU should confer
with him so far as possible upon a
matter of importance, such as your an
mai message TO the legislature? A. !
felt IT eminently desirable that should
do SO on public grounds-on the groun IS
Of public policy.
Always Consulted Leaders.
@. What want To reach Is: Was that
the ordinary course you pursued In con-
sidering your action on measure that
was proposed. or you deemed OF great
importance to the state \, Il was
the course | followed about many i'm
portant measures, about all important
measures where | felt that there was a
doubt as to the popular feeling
q. Am TO understand that YOU gave
consideration. so far as you could ascer'
tain il, TO popular wishes and did not
proceed and simply take part in enact
ing legislation that YOU believed best
A. felt very strongly that unless tho
people could be persuaded that II was
advisable to have legislation then it was
not well to have the legislation that
il was not wise to pass legislation, no
matter what my personal views Of the
point would be, unless the people favored
| il or unless ! could get them 10 favor
| it. ! did not believe in putting q bill
through, even II ! thought It n pretty
good bill. unless ! was either con.
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WINGED that the people wanted II or un-
less ! felt could convince them that
they wanted II,
col Roosevelt, was asked to tell the
jury about his differences with Senator
Plat concerning the elimination OF Lou
Payn from tho office of Superintendent
Of Insurance. He had several CONVEX
sations with Platt about the matter.
His Fight over PRyn.
MIR platt," he said. insisted tina, Mr.
Payn must he roappoIntcd, dwelling
upon Mr. Payn's political position and
upon his relations with big finanCiers
aud the liking they had for him We
had a good many conversations which
became on his part rather acid. but
was always courteous and good tenn
pered.'
Mr.. WINS objected TO this because he
insisted, there was no evidence thai Col!
Roosevelt had told Barnes about the
conversation. Finally he withdrew his
objection as "a matter of courtesy"
you will get tired being so cour-
teous," Mr. Towers flung at him.
Some lines II fatlgues me-" said Mr.
WINS easily.
"Ilave YOU finished your CONVERSE
tom" said Justice Andrews. with some
thing approaching irony.
col. Roosevelt added that he had a
fight with Plat over putting Francis
Hendricks in Payn's place. and tina: he
told Plat there would have to he a
showdown on IT," Hendricks got the
job and old friends did not fan QUE Just
yet,
Mr.. Bowers sought to show next, TO
break the force OF Ivlns's cross-eXam-
nation in an important part ocular. that.
although Gov Roosevelt almost invari-
mt.
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.. He was Mr.. Lows Corporation
Counsel? A. He was Mr.. Lows Cor
polatiou Counsel at that time and |
believed was the man 10 he chosen
chairman While | would not have in
ierfered II the Commissioners them
selves wanted to choose another man,
felt ! ought To interfere II there was
any outside pressure. ] was extremely
anxious to hav. them work with the
on good terms with them. but | was even
more anxious that the organization
should not dictate to them in any inn
proper way. | wanted 20 keep them
on good terms together. the Charter
Commission and the organization. but
| wanted to make the Charter Com
mission understand that IT had a free
hand accordingly ! wrote to Mr. Plat.
! had me Chatter Commission then up
tu lunch. had assured them already
that the effort TO get them to make as
chairman either Mr.. Bartlett or some
other Republican had no backing from
me and would sanction t. They told me
then that they all wanted Mr. Rives as
hairmau. Mr. John u. Crimmns and Mr..
bartlett told me they Joined with the
others, Joined with the Republican
leader. Nj Reemen. and Mr. Henry
Tai, in saying that they wanted Mr..
Rives to he chairman. So then mott
He'd Nj. rlatt that they had chosen
Mr.. RlNes as chairman and that | was
gong to ask the commission to meet
him ard his son, Frank Plat. and the
after time Governor Mr.. Odell at lunch
50 that they might talk freely to-
gether and my memory Is that car
red out that intention and had such
lunch, but Of that am no; entirely GER
tain.
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bid on government work. The Colonel
explained that he knew the architect
IN question through TroNbridge that
Trowbrdge appealed to him to use his
influence so that he would have an even
chance with other architects in govern
ment bids. He was very glad to help
the young man.
The charter commission was taken up.
The Charter Commission.
o. Offer letter dated May 4. 1900.
from Theodore Roosevelt to Hon.
Thomas G. Platt i'm evidence. Now, Mr..
Roosevelt. please tell the jury about hat
commission. all YOU remember about II.
Y. II was Just about that time that We
were having Greater New York formed
by the union OF Manhattan, Brooklyn.
Sta;en Island. part of Queens and The
Bronx. and the question Of the charter
OF the greater city was of the utmost
importance. There was great feeling
among most Of the citizens OF New
York who took an interest a; all that
there ought TO he a non-partisian char
ter commission to formulate in its final
shape that charter and the Republican
county convention In the fall of 1899
declared for II. For some reason. which
never thoroughly knew. the Republican
organization was at first against my
charter commission. and there was
great deal of difficulty In passing the
bill
-. Which commission In this? A. The
Now York city commission OF which
MIR. Quigg. ] think, was then chairman
The bill was finally passed and ! con-
sidered at great length the character of
the men 20 put in. The bill gave rct
the power absolutely to appoint the msI
Conferred with Many.
q. And no conhrma, ton? A. do
not think there was any confirmation.
think the bill put the appointment
purely in my hands. | consulted at
great length with n great many different
people, notably with Seth Low and Rob
ert DE Forest | have said I think that
Robert DE Forest was member of the
commission | think he was. but he
may only have been man ! consulted
with over the commission. Among the
men recommended to me was Mr. Dewitt
of brooklyn For some reason he was
objected to by many of the so-calle1 in
dependents-or the silk stockings OH
jccted to Mr. Dewitt. Whether he was
recommended to me first by Mr.. Plat or
not ! don't know, but ! do not think
So. because he was q Democrat. lie was
a Democrat, but Mr.. Pistt backed him
heartily and | looked into the question
very thoroughly and decided he was
good man to- appoint and my belief is
that he was one of the best men on
that commission. Then. OH that COM
mission. | appointed man named
George l.. Rives. a Democrat. Then |
suddenly found out that Mr. Mike Dady,
ana ] think several other men. Repub-
lican politicians, had been to members
81.
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ATED WITH BOSSES ONLY IN PUBLIC INTEF

broke with them, hut I could not get NJ.
hrmative right done n I broke with
them"
Mr.. WINS broke in with an angry
protest.