New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-12-16
KIENzLE ADMITS
WORKING AGAINST
NIUNITION PLANTS
In First Utterance Since
Arrest Confesses Activity,
but Denies He's PlOtter.
BRITISH DUM-DUMS
MADE HERE, HE SAYS
He, Breitung and Bronkhorst
Demand Separate Trials
Motion Up Monday.

bClndHG OCpdi utC IL ldiS
Motion Up Monday.
Dr. Herbert Kienzle. the clock man
ufacturer. Of Schwenningen, Germany
recently indicted for conspiracy snC
out in $4,000 bail, admitted yesterday
that he had been actively interested
against the shipment Of dum-dum and
mushroom bullets TO the Allies. HI
| admitted having written protes
against the manufacture and shipment
+ Of inhuman bullets, used, he said, bJ
the British, and Of having Forwarded
/ IT with other matter 10 his father, n
Wurtemberg. This protest, he said
was printed and distributed in Ger
many.
All these admissions appeared yes
.erday in the form Of an affidavit pre-.
sented at the Federal Building. anC
F 1t is the first time that Kienzle ha,
/ publicly been connected with German
propaganda activities.
Plans were formed yesterday by
counsel for three Of the alleged Ger
man bomb conspirators now under in
dictment to obtain separate trials
Each OF the defendants contends that
he is in no way connected with any
of the FIVE men arraigned with him.
John B. Stsnchfeld appeared on be-
half Of his client, Max Breitung, a
nephew Of E. n. Breitung, the banker,
and announced that he would move TO
have a separate trial. His action was
followed By counsel for DR.. Kienzle
and Engelbert Bronkhorst, who pre-
sented affidavits for both men, giving
, in detail their respective versions of
their connection with German activities
in this country.
Protested 10 Washington.
This is the first time that state
ment of any sort has como from these
two defendants, the affdavits being
made preparatory to a motion for the
appointment Of commission TO take
evidence in Germany and England be-
fore the men are brought TO trial. The
motion will be argued before Judge
julius NJ. Mayer in the Federal Court
on December 20.
Dr.. Herbert Kienzle said that he was
twenty y-eight years old and lived with
his parents at Schwenningen, in the
Black Forest, in the Kingdom Of Wur-
temberg. Soon after taking his degree
Of Doctor OF Engineering, he said, he
came 10 this country, in November,
1918, 20 take out patents on some OF
his inventions and 70 study factory
methods in plants devoted 10 the clock
and machine tool industry.
The failure of the North German
Lloyd liner Kronprinzessin Cecilie, on
which he was a passenger. to get 70
Bremerhaven in July, 1914, and her re
turn from mid-Atlantic TO Bar Har-
Dor because she feared capture by
British cruisers, was the reason why
he was now in this country, he said.
Dr. Kienzle admitted that he had
been strongly opposed to the manufact-
urc in this country OF mushroom and
DUN dun bullets, which he declared
were being shipped to the Allies and
were raising havoc among his country
men on the field of battle. He said
he had protested against their use and
had forwarded & mass of materla! col
lected by him on this subject to the
Secretary of State at Washington.
Never Was a Plotter.
The affidavit includes photographs OF
some Of the dum-mud bullets, which he
Said had been made by the Union Metal
lie Cartridge Company, of Bridgeport,
and were shipped TO Great Britain for
use in the Lee-Enfeld rife.
He said he had read statements con-
cerning a letter he had written to his
father, Jacob Kienzle, in Germany, and
on advice Of counsel decided that II
was essential that the contents Of that
letter be made known. Such action, he
said, he considered essential TO his de-
fence TO prove what he himself be-
lieved TO be a fact-that his father
never had any connection or inter
course with Robert Fay, his alleged CO.
conspirator, now in the Tcmbs prison,
and never saw him.
Kienzle said he wrote out his ideas
and observations and sent them 10 his
father in the form of a letter, which
was published. He said 30 far as he
knew that this was the only communi-
cation which Fay could have seen in
Europe or could have known of before
the lieutenant called upon him here.
DR.. Kienzle further declared that he
never had any conversation with the
alleged co-conspirators which led him
20 believe that any of them contem-
plated the destruction of ships or a
munition plant, committing murder or
arson, manufacture of explosives or
bombs or any other offences set forth
in the indictments.
al have never seen IN the possession
Of any Of the defendants and have
never had in my possession any bombs
or similar articles or explosives" he
said. T have never obtained, nor was
ever concerned in obtaining, bombs
or other explosives for any one at any
time
Bronkhorst Also Denies.
~ disclaiming association with the
otner alleged co-conspirators and re-
sponsibility for their acts, Kienzlc de
ciares that his propaganda activities
were absolutely legal and morally
commendable
Engelbert Bronkhorst, in asking for
n commission 10 take depositions from
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