The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1915-04-23

eminent before your return from Aft
| RIGA ~
Il did not use those words. But I
referred to it in a message 1 sent to
| congress in 1908.
Did Perry Belmont start the move
ment to require publication of cam
paign contributions? ?" 60
HE might have. I urged such a
measure in congress
Had you until that time ever called
1.-THE attention of the voters to the dan
gers of invisible government and the
necessity of publishing campaign ex-
penses ?"
Il did,
Mr. WINS asked Mr.. Roosevelt to pro-
duce copies of his message to congress.
in the day.
Did you officially mention cam
paign expenses and publicity before
1905 p"
Memory Needs Refreshing.
Til have to refresh my memory
on that from my messages
/ when did Charles F. Murphy be-
come the nominal leader of the DEM
ocratic party IN New York;"
He was not the nominal leader. He
became the actual leader after Croker
went to Europe, first in New York
and Then throughout the state He
isn't it a fact he first showed his
control at the Buffalo convention of
1902"
That's my memory; I can't be sure
who succeeded Mr.. Croker in the
leadership of Tammany Hall 2"
I've told you Mr.. Murphy"
Don't you know Their was a triun
virate in control of Tammany HaH?"
''I don't know about that. I know
there was fight in which several per-
sons including Mt .Fingy CWilliam
cerned. I don't know which side he
was on. I Just heard of it,
'fWell now, while you were COVER
nor there was invisible government,
you say. Why didn't you make an at
tack than similar to the one you made
on Mr.. Barnes %
eff they had blocked the legislation
wanted I would have"
Mr.. WINS then requested the court
to instruct the witness that he answer
categorically and not go beyond and
make statements.
and this witness is treated as any
other witness began Mr. WINS.
WINS Is Called Down.
Justice Andrews raped with his
gavel and said:
"Mr. WINS, this witness is treated
permit any such language.
"I apologize said Mr.. WINS, and
continued his cross examination.
did you ever give any publicity to
the fact that you, Mr.. Platt and Mr..
Odell conferred over a successor for
Louis Payne?"
II did not The newspapers did"
about appointing Mr.. Hendricks as
commissioner of public works?"
mot particularly. Senator Platt
himself offered Hendricks the place.
He (Platt) showed a telegram of ac-
ceptance of Mr.. Hendricks
AS the witness told this he laughed
and the spectators Joined in.
How many times in 1899 did you
see Mr.. Barnes alones.s,sn1<
'I could ! not say19s,Many times.
Sometimes I would talk-to him in the
executive chamber at Albany when
other people were in the room"
eff Mr.. Barnes said he talked to you
only ONCE, would you say he. was
wrong ?''@4
81 Would.sI hadsa dozen conversa-
IF Mr.. Barnes's diary wSHld show
he had one conversation: with you
alone and six~when other people were
present. would you still say he was
wrong ?', 50
IT would. I remember converse
tons IN a club, in the executive man
sion #and in railroad trains going to
New Y ork, after I left the governor
ship. I had a conversation with him
in thes Union League club
Did eyou invite Mr.: Barnes to the
White House in Washington"
yes,
You did that in spite of his mis-
trust to the people and the invisible
empire %
Yes -
Did you ever discuss invisible
government with Mr.. Barnes in AL
bany?"
Il did not discuss the. specific
phrase. I, did discuss my official duty
and contributions to the campaign
funds by big business interests
WINS picked up the autobiography
He read a sentence about Mr.. Platt's
most efficienct lieutenants being men
of the best character and the highest
standing in the community.
Did you include Mr.. Barnes in
these lieutenants in 1912"
mo"
Did you include him in that class
in 1899 or 1902
eff you did not so regard him, why
did you consult and associate with
him?''
Because thought he was above
the average of the run of politicians.
I believed he might. become a most
Did you discuss his moral stand
ards with him %
Il did 1 expressed my hopes to
him.
$50 while you were in Albany you
were acting as a political monitor in
order to make him a good citizen?"
Il tried to get every man to act
right. Most politicians had two ma
as a DR.. Jekyll and a Mr.. Hyde He
had two sides, a good and bad one, as
other politicians had"
Mr.. WINS read a letter written on
Roosevelt to Mr. Barnes telling him
of appointing him to office.
Did you appoint Mr.. Hyde Barnes
or DR.. -Jekyll Barnes