Evening star., 1915-05-18
would have gotten it. too. II had

| would have gotten it, too. II had
asked it.
In the Meyer -Hayward-Pettibo
| case. I went to Idaho for year and
| half. gave up my practice, injured my
| health, and got $4,000.
| solved my firm. expecting to retire after
| this case. l spent six months working
| on the case. 1 got s4s.0oo. Then. for
| a year and a half. had to defend my
| from me. So I am working again."
You are one Of the best lawyers IN the
country, Mr.. Darrow." said Mr.. Vein
stock. "It is clear. then. that the poor
men. such as you say the McNamaras
were, can get good lawyers 10 oeieno
, them in court"
| mot as rule" was the reply.
| Mr.. Weinstock said that lawyers some
times did charity work. as the physicians
do.
"A lawyer will let a man die on the
gallows because the man Is too poor
to pay him for his services" said Mr
barrow, but physician Will go 10
any lengths to save poor mans life:
OF the lawyers" 0..a
Public Opinion Greatest Factor.
Mr.. Darrow declared that public
opinion was the greatest factor in
solving industrial questions. He de-
clared that morals 'cut no figure" and
he cited the case of Napoleon, who
killed hundreds of thousands of men
In his wars and was hailed as a hero.
You must capture the Imagination
or the public, no matter what you do"
admitted Mr.. Darrow. ito arouse public
opinion"
Don't you think that tho American
people stand for the right and against
the wrong as general thingT' asked
Mr.. Weinstock
The American people are the poorest
excuses as to standing up for what is
right and as to going back on the
wrong In the world" replied Mr.. OAR
row We are a conglomeration: 1t
will take a thousand years to become
| assimilated
You can usually figure out how the
Ensllsh, the French and the Germans
Will regard certain matter. But the
American people are for one thing one
day and anothe rthe next day.
Take the case Of Roosevelt and that
of Admiral Dewey. Dewey was hero
to the people one day because he cap
tured the imagination of the people by
sinking some old tubs in Manila bay.
When he decided house the people had
given him over to his wife the people
went back on him. No, I am not much
for the American people on such
ground
| Mr.. Darwin told the committee there
was no such thing as an open shop"
| "A shop is either a union shop or a
non-union shop" he said.
Continues His Testimony.
| Clarence Darrow, prominent as at
! torney for labor in many celebrated
cases. resumed the stand when the
hearing opened today. He argued that
the fundamentals Of the difficulties be-
tween capital and labor had not been
! touched by legislation. He said he
thought that the laboring man should
use every means In his power to OBJ
tain better conditions. He suggested
that all the coal miners in the country
might gain their ends by refusing to
dig any more coal until the government
took over the mines.
1t would take in probably go or 70
per cent of the total number of miners,
II they would stand together" said Mr..
Darrow. He admitted that 1t was al
most an impossibility to get large
numbers of laborers to stand together.
| In reply to questions by Commis-
| sioner Weinstock, Mr.. Darrow said he
I the workmens compensation laws and
the eight-hour-day laws were mot
worth a pinch of snuff" and that the
ballot in the hands of the laboring
he modified this statement. saying that
| he had favored the enactment of the
workmen's compensation laws and the
others mentioned.
| Fail to Reach Fundamentals.
But they don't get down to the fun
damentals.' he said. I'VE are tinker
! ing at little fool symptoms"
| If you say that the laboring men
will not stand together in sufficient
numbers to gain some Of their ends.
and they cannot accomplish anything
valuable by legislation. what remedy
| would you suggest Mr.. DarrowT' ask
ed Mr.. Weinstock
| There is no remedy, for anything
IN the world" replied Mr.. Darrow. Il
| am not an optimist, perhaps unfortu-
nately. but l am so constituted We
are on this earth to live, working out
our instincts. We don't know whether
the future is going to be any better
than the present. or worse"
Mr.. Darrow said that the boycott was
| being used every day by every one
| against some one else. Discussing the
! INJUSTICE in a boycott carried to ex-
at times 'the emotions Of life are
working" and Judgment and reason
must step aside while they work"
| Matter Of Environment
sitting here, I would say that the
| mobs in England attacking German
shops were wrong. but If 1 were there
and had the Lusitania in mind, l would
feel as the Englishmen do"
Mr.. Darrow declared that punish
ment is barbarous.'
How would you protect life and