New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-11-15
Leader in Ship Sinking
Conspiracy Seeks to Be-
come State Witness.
ANGERED BECAUSE
HE WAS LEFT IN JAIL
Marcus Braun Tells of Meeting
Goricar in Vienna, but De-
nies Spy Charge.

government TO run 10 earth the ring
leaders in the Teuton conspiracy to
destroy factories making munitions for
the Allies and ships transporting these
munitions.
Robert Fay, Of the German Secret
Service. offered 10 turn states witness.
FAY made his offer in a two hours
conference with William J. Flynn, chief
Of the United States Secret Service,
and, it is asserted, named men high in
III. diplomatic service of the Central
Powers and men prominent in German
and Austro- Hungarian circles in this
city as his fellow conspirators. Part
Of Fays story corroborates some Of
DR.. Goricar's charges.
Walter L. Scholz and Engelbert
Bronkhurst, who were indicted along
with Fay; Max Bieitung, nephew of E.
n. Breitung, and others are reported to
be ready TO ioin Fay as state wit
nesses if the government will accept
them.
Marcus Braun, former immigration
Commissioner, denied the charge, made
by Dr.. Goricar, that he is a secret agent
OF the central powers. Braun declared
that when he went to Europe, soon
after the war started, at the time Gori-
car said Braun was acting as an agent
Of Germany and Austria Hungary, he
carried letter of introduction from
william J. Bryan, then Secretary OF
State.
Consul General Won Nuber, of the
Austro- Hungarian Consulate in this
city, when told that DR.. Goricar charged
that he, Won Papen and Boyd were
the heads of the Teutonic secret SER
vie in this country, said;
'Let them prove it," He added the
plots were not Matched by the secret
service.
As q result of Fay's talk with Chief
Flynn yssterday, Fay will be taken to
the Federal Building this morning fol
conference with II. Snowden Mar
shall. United States District Attorney.
Fay Said TO Feel Aggrieved.
Ii is understood that Fay, who is
sggreved because his government has
allowed him 20 remain IN the Iomos
while bail has been found for two Of
those arrested and indicted with him,
promised that he would substantlate all
his Allegations IL granted immunity.
Whether immunity will be granted
him or not depends entirely on District
Attorney Marshall. Mr.. Marshall so
far has made il rule not TO promise
immunity to any person accused or
crime. Those asking for it have been
told they would have 10 take chances
with what might befall them in court.
The visit Of Chief Flynn to the
Tombs was in response 70 message
Fay sent 10 the head of the Secret
Service. Fay also sent a telegram to
John c. Knox, Assistant United states
District Attorney, who has aided IN
the prosecution of the German bomb
,lo.ters. Mr.. Knox did not have time
70 call on Fay.
The government authorities here are
inclined 10 place full faith in what Fay
says. Much that he has already told
them has been checked up by agents
Of the government and found TO be
true.
The government also expects aid
from Bronkhurst, the man-of- -all-trades
at DR.. Lust's Nsturopath Sanatorium.
but who is also an explosive expert
and mining engineer, with degrees from
German universities. II was Bronx
hurst who gave twenty sticks of dyna-
mite 10 Fay 10 use in making bombs,
according 20 Fay's statements. Bronx
hurst has also been left 70 languish IN
the Tombs In default of $4,000 bail.
and he, TOO, is beginning TO feel ag-
grieved.
Fay Tells of Factory List.
FAY, the Secret Service men say, de-
elsres that he was shown a letter in the
Wilhelmstrasse, as the headquarters OF
the German secret service is known,
bearing the signature of DR.. Herbert
kienzle. one Of his alleged accomplices
under indictment. addressed 10 KEN
zle's father. a wealthy German clock
manufacturer, containing the names OF
mgnition factories 70 be DESTROYED and
ships 20 be blown up or disabled.
One OF the angriest men In New YORK
yesterday was Marcus Braun, po-
liticsl leader Of the East Side, who is
prominent in Hungarian circles. He
denounces as untrue statements attrib-
uted 20 DR.. Goricar, former Consul OF
Austris-Hungary, that Braun was paid
agent OF the Austro-Hungarian govern
rnent and had acted as a spy when he
Was In England on his way 70 Vienna
soon alter the war started.
u vent over solely for the purpose
'of aiding Austrians and Hungarians
who lived IN this country, but who
were not naturalized citizens, and who
were stranded over there and had
families here" he said. 81 went 20
Warrington 20 see Secretary OF state
Bryan, and saw Mr. Phillips. one Of
the Assistant Secretaries of State. !
tined % get the State Department 10
ssend money over 20 them, but couldn't,
because they were not American citi-
zsns. Then J said 20 Mr.. Phillips:
Then II the United States government
cant send the money, ] will go over
nytef with g.
"Nr. Phillips said that was a very
1esble thing. and when J asked " |
could get letter from Mr. Bryan
rhish would facilitate my object. Mr.
Thibips tai6 ne would try 20 get one
ior ne, and he did get one
Tells of Meeting Goricar.
Noy. when ! reached London
,>il.d on the Hsuretsnis on September
J stayed in England only four days
did meet Or. COrieaT In Vienna. 81
mt Foreign Office there, as he says, but
dif not tell him that Mad spied IN
Lsglsnd and VAS making a report 20
We Agstro- Hungarian government or
y Berlin. and did not get any money
ron the German or ADstro Hungarian
gessrnment I can prove Goriears
shtements are untrue, for when J
,sisfo with him I vas accompanied ~
~ actress named Nsgda Szeczy, now