Richmond times-dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1914-current, 1915-04-21
ROOSEVELT SEEKS
TO PROVE HIS CASE
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better connno himself to the issue. bu,
MT. Bowcrs continued to question the
Colonel about Spanish War matters
Later, the Colonel sketchcd his en-.
rr"r az Governor OF New York, Vice
president and President, and told OF
tis trip TO Africa and South America.
since then. he said. he had been buggy
writing. and ut times buoy with poll
tics"
II have been" he Went on, "a citizen
o. New YORK an my life. have always
i,ved IN New iorkrGi,y. - Oyster Bay.
DOES Not REMEMBER
WHEN HE MET BARNES
II do not remember just when FIRST
met Mr.. Barnes, but | think IL was
during my campaign for Governor I
WAS introduced to him by the chairman
OF some committee i'm New York
Later. in Albany, saw him muuv
i,renccs with him. had more with
him than with any other of the lend
We had many political discussions.
FOR the most part they were in regard
10 the relations between myself and
the leaders OF the Republican orraniza
ton. particularly Senator Plat There
We're certain issues between us two
liau was known ms the boss of the or.
sanitation which controlled the major.
NY OF the republican members Of the
''NS'S''N'Hi', WHO sometimes CO-Dpprat-
ca with the Democrats. We were n,
odds. principally over legislative mat
tors"
Did YOU discuss Plat with Mr..
EaTncs?" asked Mr.. Bowers
Mr. WINS objected and was ovcrruled
The witness replied in the aiiirma-
tive,
The witness added that he also dis
cussed executive action with Barnes.
Did You talk TO Barnes about canal
matters ut any tinc"'
Mr.. WINS objected to the question on
the ground that II was incompetent and
irrelevant He was upheld
Did you discuss the proposed fran
chise tax?" asked Mr.. Bowers
Mr.. WINS again objected Justice An
drcws said the defense had right to
prove If possible that there existed be-
tween business and politics corrupt
alliance, or that there was one between
Mr.. Barnes and Mr.. Murphy
IL these things can he proved" said
the court, overruline the objection.
they may establish Justification of this
alleged libel"
The witncss then replied he did have
converse tons with Mr.. Barnes about
the franchise tax act.
Was any one else present at any OF
these conversations between you and
Mr.. Barnes?"
Il do not remember that any other
person was present"
Rarnes. the Colonel added, indorsed
Mr.. rlatts protest against the fran.
chise tax bill.
HARNESS. COUNSEL OBJECTS -
To NEARLY EVERY QUESTION
Mr.. Twins objected to nearly every
question and answer. but always was
overruled. Colonel Roosevelt con
tlnucd:
eat one point in the conversations
the question arose as to who was in
terested In the franchise tax bills. Mr.
barnes said there were large business
interests which Mad contributed TO both
parties, and were against the bill. In
Albany, Mr.. Barnes said. fR ebert Pr,iyn
and':Anthony Brady, both interested in
rapid transit. were opposed4to the bill
Mr.. Barnes said both of these, men had
contributed handsomely to. both par
ties said Mr.. Pruyn was a Republi-
can. At that time Mr.. Brady was n
DEMOCRAT, and Mr.. Barnes said that
made no difference ~
Mr.. Barnes told me the two mon
contributed not. as n matter of politics.
hut ias n matter of business. He also
said he considered that It would he
unfair to the widows and orphans hold.
ing stock in Mr. Brady's company to
,iiss the bill. AR. Barnes. used that
expression about widows and orphans
constantly. Mr.. Barnes also: said Mr..
BRADY had to, protect his business IN.
terests from political scoundreis, and
so he contributed heavily to3 both the
Democratic and Republican parties.
Later. I expressed astonishment to
Mr.. Barnes that special, nlessaae 1.
had sent to the Legislature had been
torn UP. In reply. Mr.. Barnes said
was foolish to believe that the Legls-
Inture would do Anything on so Inn
portant matter until orders had been
received from tho organlzation."
'iColonel Roosevelt" said Mr.. Bow
ers, did you tell MIR. Barn ss you In.
tended TO send message to the Legls.