New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-04-24

torted with earnest lines. 81 thought
that his morality was at least on q
level with the ordinary business and
political morality met with In those
days, and I thought he had 1t in him
20 become useful factor in the state
and ! thought that there was good
chance Of his so becoming.
an those men met / found most
had double character DR.. Jekyl
and Mr.. Hyde. Few were wholly evil.
My constant effort WAS 70 appeal 10
the side that was decent and get the
men 20 act rightly. never broke with
any man until ! became convinced that
IL was hopeless TO try TO get at the
good in him."
The Colonel thrust forward protest
ing fingers % Justice Andrews quietly
remarked that the last sentence could
be stricken out.
After getting from the witness that
the operation he contemplated regard
ing the Barnes twin "Jekyll and Hyde i.
was one of absorption, rather than OF
severance. Mr.. WINS returned TO the
persistence OF phraseOlogy." 1t might
almost be called 8 mania for formulas,
he thought
Colonel Defines a Formula
Colonel Roosevelt dssented We
hemently. a formula, according to his
notion. was something you repeated
by rotc. but did not believe
DO you believe that two and two
fxfu
81 do" flashed the Colonel.
isn't that o formula?'
II the Colonel was stumped he be
trayed 10 by no hesitation. His answer
was one that would have reioiced Josh
Billings. author Of one Of the COlonels
favorite sayings IL 50 much
easier to be a harmless dove than a
wise serpent" The answer was: q
don't know"
Few feathers and not COO were TO
be observed on the Colonel. at that.
Taking up Colonel Roosevelt's nomi-
nation for the Presidency in 1904, Mr..
Wins ran over the names OF national
committeeman and delegates 20 the
convention, asking after each manner
"Was he q boss?'
In most instances the Colonels reply
was 81 don't know" or Il didn't think
So"
civilian L. Ward" suggested Mr..
Wins. Wasn't he the boss Of West
chester County,"
Gle was replied the witness with
emphasis. There is no doubt of that,
and a good friend Of mine. too"
"And Joseph c. Cannon, the per-
manent chairman Of the convention ?"
"He was the boss of the House Of
Representatives until he was over
thrown"
"He came back, didn't he?"
"But not as a boss
Also Discusses Bosses.
Colonel Roosevelt explained that in
various localities the title Of boss"
connoted varying attributes His dis
cussion of the subject proved highly
amusing 10 Mr.. Barnes, who, after
glancing at the witness moment, broke
into silent laughter
While not asserting 20 "dictatorial"
as descriptive OF his suggestions to the
national committee, the Colonel ac-
knowledged that he sent word by
George Won J.. Never that 4 its mem
bers named Senator Penrose as chair
man he would refuse TO recognize
them"
Reading from the report Of the Clapp
committee. Mr.. WINS brought little
Colonel at the size Of the campaign
gifts made in 1904. 1t developed that
besides his ignorance Of the $4,000
given by &C. S. Mellen, president" the
100000 given by L. II. Hartman and
the gifts of scores Of others the Colo
mel had a way all his own Of identity
ing these wcll-wlshers.
lie was much more likely to remem-
Der a man because he was president
of the Union League Club OF PhIa-
delphia, or because he owned q remark
able span Of horses, than because he
was the Philadelphia representative OF
J. p. Morgan or the vce-presldent OF
an insurance company.
Colonel Roosevelt thought the com
mittee's figures were probably right,
although ne admitted he knew more
than the committee about 1t. He ex-
planned scrupulOusly that even though
he was ignorant Of the hands that
filled his money chest, there was not
the shadow of g. chance of any con
:ributor filing a subsequent claim
with him.
II Thomas RYAN" we're the Thomas
Fortune Ryan who gave 100000 TO
the Parker campaign fund, Colonel
Roosevelt admitted he was astonished
70 find him down for 800 on his own
list of contributors. Mr.. WINS at once
replied that he was not sure Of the
identity of the Ryan contributor, and
that "the kyans are prolific family"
Campaign Gifts Harmless.
Under his rules, which prohibited
any feeling of obligation toward a man
who added 100000 or so TO his cam
paign fund, such gifts were as harm
less, the Colonel thought, as those
made to erect a Young Mems Christian
Association building.
And Mr.. Ryan's contribution OF
100000 toward the Parker fund was
as merltorious as If given TO St.
Joseph's Church ?' suggested Mr.. Wins.
"In this case" replied the Colonel,
with conviction, 81 believe IL was given
in the same spirit. Mr. Ryan was
most anxious 90 see me defeated.
AS to the nomination of Mr.. Taft in
IN 1908. the Colonel said he had suggest
ed r., and knew his suggestion might
. DO the deciding factor.
81 found" ne crowed, that II
didn't suggest somebody ! was liable
80 be nominated myself There was a
strong sentiment for my denomination
and had TO fight 1t tooth and nail"
Without symptom of excitement,
he heard Mr. WINS read his own re-
peated declarations that his first term
of three and oDc-haf years was in
reality term as President and that
he would not again be President. He
had made the declarations, he said
simply.
In fiery language the witness de
claimed 20 the jury an exposition OF
his methods of fixing the value Of
campaign contributions.
tkrnrD Eorr4 men declared "a