New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-05-22
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Rockefeller. Here were some OF the
statements:

"But IL must be evident to any
thoughtful man that wife and children
cannot be considered In connection
with the relations Of wage-earner ana
wsee-payer. The only question con-
Germs the worth Of the mans services
az II be true that the alleged num-
Der of children died because they OF
their parents have insufficient nour-
;..,or+ one must concede that their,
daaths are a blessing to themselves ana
70 the community. Sucn ehl'uie"
should not have been born.
S0na =. II. Hartman Is OF more
Lasting service 70 a nation than would
30 million Of unskilled laborers;
pitbout a Hartman they would Dc
menace" Law br, ara
over ready TO demand its protection.
Tbair principles are no better tnan
those Of the India thugs who practiseu
robberv and murder in the name Oh the
goddess Cali" -, H.,
Mr.. Rockefeller declined to give MS
approval or disapproval to eacn Vi
these statements, but chung to ms orig
inal assertion that, "as a wnole, the
article was tho soundest and best pro-
nouncement ever sent out.
Chairman Walsh directed several
orostions TO show the efforts or the
PockafelIer interests TO influence the
teachings Of universities through en-
dowment funds. He asked Mr.. RocKe-
feller If he knew what happened TO
professors in Chicago University VINO
criticized Mr.. Rockefeller, ar. >,
"They are still there, | suppose, an
swered Mr. Rockefeller. ,
Mr. Walsh then cited the case OF
Professor Charles Zeublin, alleged 70
have been dismissed from the Faculty
for criticism Of Mr.. Rockefeller, ST.
Witness wasn't aware of it, he said.
Donation to Cornell
Questioning brought out that MT.
Rockefeller had persuaded his father
10 make a large donation to CorHe!I
University for the erection OF an en-,
cheering building. Mr.. Walsh charged
that very recently copies of pampnlet
entitled "The Real Issue OF war IN
Colorado: A Lesson TO Young Men,
written by the Rev. DR.. Newell Dwight
Hills. were distributed among mem
hers of the class in engineering econ,
or,ies AZ Cornell University. lie read
a reply to Dr. Hillis's statements writ
ten bv the father of one of the stu
dents charging unreliability and mac
curacy by DR.. Hills. Mr.. RockefelIer
denied ever having seen the pamphlet
A letter written by l.. NJ. bowers,
until recently vIce-president ana treas
urer of the Colorado Fuel and iron
Company, charging that rival coal com
panies cheated their employees IN their
weighing system, was read.
by joining with cheaters to resist
the workugmen who were protesting
against such methods did you not as,
sumo a certain moral responsibility
asked Chairman Walsh, and Mr.. Rocke-
Teller replied that he could not see ms
position in that light.
Another letter from Mr.. Bowers, de-
claring he would see the bones OF the
miners delegates bleaching on the
Rocky Mountains before he would grant
them an interview" was produced, ana
Mr.. Rockefeller smilingly said he would
have granted the interview without con-
sidering the question Of the bleaching
Of the bones.
The practice of President Welborn of
the Colorado Fuel and Iron Company IN
dismissing ministers who preached doc
in the mining camps was taken up. Mr..
Rockefeller testified it was his convic-
ton that ministers should always be
put in their places and removed by
those who attended the churches.
1t was also brought out in the letter
from Mr. Bowers that vigorous steps
were always taken to suppress criticism
of the company by publications in the
do tod by the rOncprn
Explains Attitude Toward Courts.
Mr.. Rockefeller began his testimony
to-day by reading prepared statement
in further explanation of his position
In the case Of John r. Lawson. the
labor leader, who, Mr.. Walsh charged,
was unjustly convicted of first degree
murder through the influence of the
Fuel and Iron Company. Mr.. Walsh had
urged Mr.. Rockefeller to use his intiu-
ence to obtain a new trial for Lawson.
al have no more right than any other
citizen in this country 10 attempt 20
interfere with or 10 influence the course
of Justice" said Mr.. Rockefeller, land
questions which are so framed as to
seek to put me in the position OF APP
pearing to concede that there has been
wiful tampering with the courts, or Of
stating what ] am prepared to do to in
huence the future course OF justice,
either as respects Mr.. Lawson or any
other person, | cannot regard as other
than improper questions and direct
reflection upon those who are charged
with the administration of justice.
"To sinister reflections of this kind
I must decline to be a party even by in
ference. Were /. either directly or in
., ot+ 70 n
judiciary of Colorado as respects the
present appeal in Mr.. Lawson's trial,
should be guilty of the very procedure
against which witnesses before this
commission have so strongly protested.
Won't Indorse Violence.
Chairman Walsh asked the witness
If he considered the mine guards were
justified in burning the tents of the
miners during the battle of Ludlow.
81 don't consider that any acts Of
violence or depredations are justified, "
answered Mr.. Rockefeller.
"Do you consider that they, as your
agents and employees, were justified in
looting the property of the strikers
after the battle Of Ludlow" asked Mr..
Walsh.
Certainly not" answered Mr.. Rookie
Teller.
Mr.. Walsh charged that Mr. Rookie
Teller refused to hear the opposite side
of the Colorado strike situation and
that he depended exclusively on his
own officers to report conditions 10
him.
"You took what the executive off,
GERS said, and closed your ears to every
development brought out in court, and
Won closed YOUR ewes TO the transcript
of the evidence given before the mill
tary court, and just simply sat in your
Office in New York and took the word
of ,ba oxacu.iva officers for ~ do