The Detroit times., 1915-09-18

that I'd like to show YOU" he said.
I'D make you look like 10 cents
There was considerable laughter.
Mr.. i.ucking reminded Mr.. Bur
roughs that he was present at de-
bate, and ought not to inject per-
sonalities into the proceedings.
C.. 3. Beadle moved vote OF
thanks 10 Mr.. Cousens and Others
who are giving their time TO the
city. and are not receiving pay for
what they are doing" The audi
ence gave rising vote. Mr.. Cou-
xens wat a little sore.
There are some opponents Of
tho settlement here who have been
looking for things to find fault
WITH" he said. Neither Mr.. Luck
ing nor Mr.. Lawson are receiving
any pay for coming here to argue
for this plan. Any vote OF thanks
should include them both"
Mr.. Greece wanted to know II the
commissioners have not looked into
every plan OF settlement, and found
the one suggested the only feasible
one. Mr.. Couzens replied that that
Is so.
THE d. u. r. contends that
| under Its franchises on the three
cent lines. the city cannot build
| any tracks without It's coneent be-
fore 1928" he said. II understand
that Elihu Root has been paid $50,
900 for an opinion in which lie said
that that part of the franchise Is
valid. IF that is true, the city cant
go ahead with piccemeal construc-
ton without the consent OF the ID.
U. r. We can't get that without q
faint that will last two or three
years, perhaps 10, and meanwhile
the -. u. X. will be taking millions
more away from u.s.
Frank Martcli insisted on getting
an answer about the sections de-
lcted from the present amendment.
Mr.. LuckIng sprang up.
'11l answer that" he said. "You
looked at me. didn't you? DO you
want me TO answer"
Il want information wherever
con get IT, replied Mr.. Mnrtell.
Mr.. Lueking Explains.
M |LaekiHg explained that sec
tons No 9-l2 are TO be repealed
because they rcter TO security
franchise, which Is no part of the
commissions plan.
Then II the plan Ia Knocked out,
but the charter amendment car.
ries," said Mr.. Martell. the city
can't 20 ahead on a plan contain.
ing security franchise-the orig.
inal municipal ownership plan?"
NO" Mr.. Lucking replied, but
the people can vote to restore those
clauses to the amendment"
MIR. Moore wanted 10 know how
money could be borrowed after the
city had pledged itself to the extent
OF 3I1.000,000. as the agreement
proposes, and said fatty that II
couldn't. Mr.. Lucking rs fatty con.
tradioted him, and read the section
OF the amendment which provides
for borrowing money with the prop.
erty as security. Mr.. Moore said
he didn't want to do such thing
You're like the man who went 10
the bank during panic and asked
for his money" said Mr.. Lucking.
when they gave Il to him. he said
that having found out he could ge.
II, he didn't want It,"
Mr.. Moore raised the point that
II IL in the power OF the commits
sion to borrow this money. without
vote OF the people. but the house
had by this time made up It's mind
that the debate had lasted long
enough and was moving 10 the
doors.
Mr.. Courens said. in the course Of
the questioning. that he expected
bonds 10 be issued to pay for ex
tensions.
"In any business. when you OK
tend. your issue bonds" he SAID
I'VE would do the same"
These bonds, how ever. would be
retired. In course Of time. out Of
earnings. he explained.
Nearly a score of women attended
the meeting. but took no part In tho
hecklius. Among the men were
Frederick F. Ingram, Jonn Naylon,
Customs Collectp lawson. Secre-
tary Hay Zen, Of the street car board.
State Labor Commissioner James v.