New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-02-06

see how many ladies are here" the
witness said. smiling at the specta-
tors. DO you know one OF the great
est triumphs in this age? II is the ele-
Walton Of woman"
Gentle reader. you can picture Tor
Yourself what followed.
Ladies and gentlemen. II you VII!
please keep quiet a few minutes. SAID
the chairman. 81 will ask Mr.. Carnegie
20 rcpeat that sentence. as some OF YOU
may not have heard il. II you VIII
keen quiet will ask him what It was
J What Was Il that you said. Mr.. Carne-
gle
II want 10 tell you something Mr.
Carnegie said. that | never can forget
! was travelling in China went
ground the world and left the boys to
DO the work at home. But they cablec
me very often. | was sitting with a
mandarin in China and began TO talk.
and tho question came up on the diff
ferent views Of the future and OF re
ligion and so forth. One OF the man
darins said TO me, MIR. Carnegie, the
greatest work of your Christ is the
elevation OF woman.
chairman blNeS Up.
A continuous ripple of laughter was
row running around the room. When
the witness said something that struck
. tho other commissioners and the spec
tators as particularly humorous, Nh.
Walsh himself convulsed. gave up the
task OF trying 70 check the racket. The
sound vas so great it brought III scores
of persons from other parts OF the
J building. all of which Mr.. Carnegie OBJ
: served with satisfaction he made no
! effort @ hide This vas one Of his big
| gest days. Smiling, he continued his
/ story:
Have YOU considered the possibility.
! Mr.. Carnegie" Mr.. Walsh asked, "of
the foundations establishing, those in
I which great cndowments are made TO
( educational institutions, exercising UNI
due influence upon the beneiiciaries?"
: ~ cannot imagine such thing as
that possible. From what point of
view do you suggest it!
IL have no point Of view. ] am Just
asking YOU for YOUR opinion, without
holding any point of view.
81 cannot imagine any injury coming
} from that"
president Eliot has said-whom' of
T
We'll. he is on one of my pensions.
I / ought to know"
! "He says that the giving OF these
large sums of money does influence the
directors. but the influence has always
| been for good"
! "Yes, I think it has.
"Do you agree with that PROPOSE
/ ton :"
"Oh-I know taking a man as ne IS
/ there are exceptions 20 all rules. lhere
may be villains receiving pensions !
( don't know: but the ordinary educa-
/ tor, a man like President Eliot, who re
ceives a pension in mis- old age, why !
/ cannot imagine anything that would
give him greater relief. greater happi-
ness; and he is member ne has re-
signed now He was member on the
/ pension fund"
Have YOU considered the possibility
( Of the grant Of large sums oil money
/ to educational institutions exercising
| an influence upon the institution or the
, teachers Of the institution.
"Why. yes: a great influence. think
! Il would lead TO the greatest improve
ment. They will have funds that tney
can develop with. The great want IN
most educational institutions is the
! they would go on developing still FUR
| Their" -.
I'm your practical experience in this
| line, Mr.. Carnegie. the granting OF
money 10 educational institutions nave
/ YOU found any persons or institutions
which seemed to alter their ayo~ed
! principles or previous methods OF pro-
cedure in order to secure your o'her
gifts"
thing"
Have you ever observed any such
change. for instance, in any INSTITUTION
TO which your Foundation gave money
/ in the teaching OF vocational educatioh
and training or the teaching OF poIlu-
cal economy, or in the discussion tnefe-
OF by the professors
Mr.. Carnegie Elueidates.
NO: could not point out case
you have never observed case o.
that kind"
Never. OF course. with more money
you get into some FIX you would not
otherwise get; you get better instruc
tors. perhaps, in certain lines. and l
will tell you, Mr.. Chairman, one RUE
that think you might use mere. Wneh-
[ ever q DOnN OF men blHu
gether 20 do anything mean, low ana
/ disrerutable or unjust-for instance
take New York here. just as an Illus
tration.
You cannot get body o. men
such men as We are talking ABOUT 10
organize and agree 10 do anything tna'
would be injurious or 10 oreas 'he
laws or anything of that sort, because
the bad man will say 20 himself: All
these men are engaged with me IN
prscarious operation just now anu
uould not like 10 expose IT. but they
are like myself. They may be taxing
care Of themselves. Now ! VIII hedge
on them.
But when you get lot OF able
GOOD men capable OF making their Tel
lows conditions better. of elevAting the
world and standing for all that is re-
fined and pure and noble, you can al
xay. depend upon such men. And II
you'd be as great a miracle that there
should be a bad man In that line as
that there should be a Judas lscariot
.mop1 the Apostles."