Evening times-Republican. [volume] (Marshalltown, Iowa) 1890-1923, 1915-04-23
you or did you not 2"
II did"

Mr.. WINS asked Colonel Roosevelt to
produce copies Of his messages to con-
gress. The colonel said he would do SO
later In the day.
did you officially nention campaign
expenses and publicity before 1902"
"Tll have to refresh my memory on
that from my messages"
Murphy Leader in Fact.
"When did Charles +. Murphy be-
come the nominal leader of his party in
New York;"
HE was not the nominal leader He
became the actual leader after Mr..
Croker whent to Europe. He became
dominant"
isn't 1t fact he frst showed his
control at the Buffalo convention in
1906?"
That's my memory. can't be sure
Of It,"
who succeeded Mr.. Croker in the
leadership Of Tammany Hal?"
"Tve told you Mr.. Murphy
Don't you know there was
triumviate to the control of Tammany
Hall?"
II don't know about that. I know
there was a fighting combination IN
which several persons, including Mr.
Fingy (William J.) Eonnors, Of Buff
falo, were concerned. don't know
which side he was on
well, now, while you were COVER
nor there was invisible government,
you say. Why didn't you make an at
tack then similar to the one you made
on Mr.. Barnes?"
IF they had blocked legislation
would have"
Court Admonishes Wins.
Mr. WINS then asked the court to in
struct the witness to answer catagori-
cally and not beyond and make state
ments.
IF the rules of law are observed and
this witness is treated as any other
witness" began Mr.. WINS.
Justice Anderson raped with his
gavel and said:
"Mr. WINS this witness is treated as
any other witness. won't permit such
language here"
Il apologize" said Mr.. WINS. He
then continued:
Did you ever give any publicity to
the fact that you, Mr.. Platt and Mr.
Odell conferred over a successor for
Louis Payne?"
II didn't. The newspapers did"
did you confer with Mr.. Platt about
appointing Mr.. Hendricks as commits
sioner Of public works?"
''Not particularly. Senator Platt
himself offered Mr.. Hendricks the
place. He (Platt) showed a telegram
Of acceptance from Mr.. Hendricks.
AS the witness told this he laughed
and the spectators Joined in.
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How many times In 1899 did you
see Mr.. Barnes alone?"
II couldn't say. Many times. Some
times would talk with him in the
executor chamber in Albany when
others weFsapyaaent."
III Mr.. Barnes said he talked with
you once would yotA say he was
wrong -
II would"
IF Mr.. Barnes, dairy would show he
had one conversation with you alone
and six other people were present
would you still say he was wrong?"
II would. remember conversations
in club, in the executive mansion and
on a railroad train. had a converse
tion with him in the League Club?"
did you invite Mr.. Barnes to the
White House in Washington"
Yes
"You did that in spite of the in
visible empire. Did you use the words
invisible government in 1899 or 1902"
NO"
"Did you ever discuss invisible gov
ernment with Mr.. Barnes in Albany?"
II did not discuss the phrase. I did
not discuss my official duty and con-
tributions to the campaign funds OF
big business interests
Dual Nature Of Barnes.
Mr. WINS read a sentence from the
autobiography about Mr.. Platt's lieu
tenants being men of highest standing
in the community.
did you include Mr.. Barnes in
1872"
NO"
"If you did not so regard him why did
you consult and associate with him?''
Because thought he was above the
average run of politicians. l believed
he might become a most useful citi-
zen."
Did you discuss his moral stand
ards with him?"
II did,"
go while you were in Albany you
were acting as political monitor in
order to make a good citizen?"
II tried to get every man to act
rightly. I regarded Mr.. Barnes as a
DR.. Jekyl and Mr.. Hyde. He had
two sides, good and a bad one, as
other politicians had"