The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1915-11-08
Intercollegiate A. A. A. A..
in Resolution, Asks Meet
ing Of Governing Bodies.
PRESENT AGITATION
BRINGS UP SUBJECT
Colt, Tennis, Polo. Baseball
and Rowing Included i'm
Scope of Idea.

Definite steps were taken AT a meeting
t~ercollegiste Association of Amateur
Athlstes OF America held in this city
yesterday toward clearing the murky at
rnosphore which surrounds a~mateurism
not only in the colleges but in the out
lido circles. Resolutions ON tho subject
we're passed M 1t was decided to call
y meeting of governing bodies Of all
amateur sports to treat the subject fully
and II possible arrive at I'm agreement
aSsto tho line which should divide tho
Professional from tho amateur through
out tho length and breadth OF tho land.
The advisory committee OF the I. {.
ATA- ~ 4. acted with the executive
uusnmittes In preparing tho resolutions.
watch do not make any definitions. but
n . line OF questions mark out the scope
Of. the proposed conference. IT Is pro-
posed to hold the meeting OF delegates
Of tho different associations about the
end Of December. when the National Col
lstiats Athletic Association will 10 in
session in the city.
0Ricklcy and Yale Sascs Loom Up.
It was stated after tho meeting that
me case OF George Brickley. together
With the disbarment OF flvc Yale athletes.
formed the direct cause of the present
activity. Leaders In college sport, how
sver. have recognized FOR a iong time the
i~nAdeQuacy VI the present rules. and It
Wa only n question OF time when the
~s~ssIl n.- -- -~.
Without the stimulus of the recent axita-
tton. A. n Of the oldest organizations
governing amateur sport. the !. 4. A. A.
-S.HA- felt II was its duty to attempt the
uek Of bringing order out OF chaos by
ucOvtdtnE an opportunity for the ex-
change OF views Of tho leaders OF all
s1srtA
were: Executive committee-Walter
p. Petner. Columbia. president: ponel-
sen n. Lake. Princeton, treasurer;
Feooerick =. Clement. Jr., Harvard Ar
thur H. Bunker. Yale; Paul F. sam
horne. Cornell: Caspar W. P. Town
s4nd. Pennsylvania. Advisory COM
su!ttee--Gustavus T. Kirby. Columbia,
a6ls Romeyn Berry, Cornell.
~ reason OF his long service as an
eRbiter In matters pertaining to anna
seur sports Gustavus T. Kirby must be
considered the most important figure in
the proceedings. He ia the perennial
CHAIRMAN OF h advisory committee of
ttse c. A. A. A. A. and has i~nst!gated
and carried through many reforms in
the government OF track and Held sport
inithe colleges. Besides tina he gained
a.tvlde acquaintance with matters out
SIDE the charmed collegiate circle by
serving TWO terms as president of the
Amateur Athletic Union. That he is
nA4nIv fnfFAafad s1
present movement was manifested In a
TAX with q reporter of THE Sun last
night.
New Ii Psychological Moment,
Mr.. Kirby said that he considered This
the psychological moment 70 carry on,
Tue loeaS which long had been In The
MINDS OF men interested IN the welfare
Oh amateur sports of all kinds. That
~ appreciates the difficulty Of the uu-
ftaki Is evident, but he feels SIRE
unAt nothing but good can CONE from,
an ih~terchahge of sentimcn; on the par,
OF the leaders Of different SHORTS. 1, 10
inc opinion OF himself and pronluent
men In other colleges tina half wav
measures cannot he satisfactory and
~ .ha.'onaI standard of ttmateurism
is'she only solution Of the problem.
In addition TO his confr,res in she eoy-
cSnment or the !. c. A. A., A. A Air
Kirby has consulted with many n, The
nen who have the direction OF sports in
the colleges. so far he has taken M
steps outside of the resolutions passed
YESTERDAY u ascertain the feelings of
tne amateur governing bodies, but h. IL
ovnnoent mat a large majority Of the
examinations included In the schcInc
Wall welcome the chance to put a,uatcIr-
Ahl on a satisfactory and permanent
basis.
there is imminent danger in fine
situation caused by the playing OF George
brackley on the Trinity team was made
pam In the replies made by Mr.. Kirby
% questions as to his status and those
~ MS teammates under the rules of
The ]. c. A. A. a. A.. Those rules nh.
soiuteIy bar a man who has played pro-
feesional baseball and go even further
py making all his teammates ineligible
AZ well as those who play on teams
against him. In the Intercollegiate rules
that principle Is made palmer than In
the rules OF the \. a. T., and 1t is a
matter for the executive to
decide just how far the rule mlglr 20
in reaching members of other colleges.
WIN Go to No Absurd Limit,.
Personally Mr.. Kirby said that I'm his
opinion the rule left no option but the
disqualification for track and field sport
OF all persons who played in the same
game with a man who had PLAYED
professional baseball. Asked whether
that construction could he continued ad
MINIMUM absurdum. as it were, by dis
qualifying teams which played against
teams that previously hal played against
Er!ckley and so OH down the line until
nearly every college was involved, the
chairman Of the advisory committee said
that there would have to be a limit. lie
was sure. however. that there vas no
oopnole Tor the men involved by actual
competition against a professional. The
only exception made to that rule applies
70 exhibition games where an entire
amateur nine plays against a team COM
posed entirely OF professionals. such as
the spring games between major league
ball clubs and college mines.
In further conversation Mr.. Kirby
admitted that an effor; to define an anna.
teur 30 that the same definition would
be recognized ali over the world had
failed when attempted Oh the European
continent a few years ago. That, he
considered vas "A Tar more difficult mat
ter than the one which the !. G.. A. A.
\, \. has tlckled. The recent discussion
IN the ranks ~ the United states Golf
Association as 20 the definition OF an
amateur ,"ads him 20 believe that that
ana other governing org nizations will
,-.beomc u frl and free discussion. lie