The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1915-04-24

the Democratic leadership OF New York
state, do you remember when Mr.. Muir
ply became nominal leader? A. I don't
remember his ever being nominated
leader. understood that he was the
| real leader, that after Mr.. Croker went
abroad, Mr.. Murphy. somewhere about
tho year 1904 or thereabouts. became
the leader Of tho Democratic party and
was universally recognized as such
q. The leader OF the Democratic party
OF New York city. meaning thereby. do
you not. the leader of the Democratic
party In the State7 A. My memory Is
that he was the first leader OF the Demo-
cratic party In New York city and then
gradually gained such power in the State
as 10 become the leader OF the Demo-
cratic party in the state.
.. Can you fix those dates? A. | can
only fix them In a general fashion, and
you understand II In matter of COM
mon notoriety only that can Ak them.
I should say that his dominance In
the State began to be generally admitted
in 1905, but am giving you simply my
memory OF a thing that ] took no par
ticular interest in. My memory Is that
Mr.. Murphy had to do battle with Mr..
McCarren OF Brooklyn before ne got COM
plete control of New York city and then
there was a fight In which Mr.. Corners
OF Buffalo WAS concerned. but I have
forgotten on what side he was con-
ccrneu ana tnat az sequel 10 mat
fght Mr.. Murphy grew Into dominance
IN 'he democratic party or the state,
out as say, Mr.. WINS, that II merely
a matter or common notoriety. 7 can
only give you the impression that I
have
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people II ~ was an evll OF me KIND NAV
/ Of which we now complain? A. IL they
J had succeeded in blocking the fran
| chise tax bill and the removal Of Pawn
as they actually succeeded in blocking
| the primary legislation / would have
made the same fight In 1898 that I
| have made now.
/ A few minutes later occurred one OF
! the most exciting episodes OF the day
/ OF the whole trial Mr. WINS. ner-
sis,ently baked by Roosevelt's uncannv
| prescience and by Rooseyelt's determine
/ ton to answer questions "a he NOT tho
rules OF evidence. prescribed los, his
/ temper for the frs, time. He Jared IN
and intimated that the Colonel was be-
/ ing favored as witness. Here ia ex.
/ actly what took place:
/ O. Is IL not a fact tina, Mr. Pawn.
term OF office expired and that YOU sp-
pointed his successor? A. Yes. sir
/ but. Mr.. WINS
o. That answers nv question
( Do YOU object NV stating 10 the iu,v--
Mr.. Ivlns-Instead Of YOU telling the
fury things. would Ike % ask Won
| questions and have YOU answer my
questions. II the rules OF law are to
prevail when this witness is on the
stand like any vher ordinary wit
ness
Court Rehukea Mr.. WINS.