New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-04-22

On Mr.. Ivins's objection. the last
part Of the answer was stricken out.
The witness continued: lie stated,
in substance, that Mr.. Plat might nave
been wrong in the way IN when ne
acted witho t consultation with me, put
he upheld Mr.. Platt's position. In SUB
stance he said that he upheld the posi-.
ton that Mr.. Platt took as the head OF
the organization who had to be DOM
inant in the control of the politics OF
this state when his party was in power.
In 1900 | discussed with Mr.. Barnes at
length in detail correspondence be-
tween myself and Mr.. Plat on this sub
ject of the control of the boss over the
Governor.
The Court Now, gentlemen. we are
getting a little ways away from this
case. The first conversations relating
TO the dominance of Mr.. Platt are not
of any importance except as leading up
10 the conversations with the witness.
The Witness Getting down to 1908;
In the conversation in 1908 | specif-
cally referred to my views expressed
to Mr. Platt in my letter of 1900 saying
1
ever. and that the Governor had to be
independent; that my sympathies, my
personal feelings, my personal sym
pathies and friendship. were with Mr..
Barnes and not Mr.. Hughes. My per-
sonal relations were closer with MI.
Barnes. ! told this to Mr.. Barnes,
which he already knew. that my per-
sonal sympathies were with Mr.. Barnes
~ In hi1t "a
| held that the Governor. elected by
the people, had to be independent OF
the organizations, as | had set 1t forth
in detail in this letter TO Mr.. Plat in
1900.
Mr.. Barnes answered that the organ
ization had to be dominant and that
he and those who felt like him were
going to control the organization. At
that time he said that they would not
dominate Mr.. Hughes; that Mr.. Hughes
had tried to break down the organiza-
ton. and that he (Nr. Barnes) and the
other leaders of the organization con-
trolled it absolutely, and would con-
troll the convention and would not toll
crate the domination Of Mr.. Hughes.
and the conversation directly bore
upon my letter that | had written Mr..
Platt in 1900 which ] had discussed at
the time with Mr.. Barnes.
Party Organizations Working Together.
Q.-By Mr.. Bowers-Did you have
any talk with Mr.. Barnes in 1908 con-
corning legislation in Albany? A
Mr.. Barnes spoke to me generally on
the subject of legislation, not specify
ing any particular bill that / now re-
call, but stating that Mr.. Hughes was
urging legislation outside or the or
ganization; that the organization con-
trolled the Legislature, and that the
Democratic organization was IN SYM
patty with the Republican organlza-
ton and would join with them In de-
feating any legislation to which they
+ were opposed that Governor Hughes
4 backed.
/ Odd the plaintiff make any state
ment in these conversations as to his
position in the party? A.-The plain
| tiff said he and his friends had con-
troll Of the party; that they had con-
troll of the organization. ! don't re-
call that he said that he himself con
( trolled it, but he said that he and his
| friends had control of the organiza-
ton and the Legislature would do as
they said, and that Mr.. Hughes could
not take it away from them.
Q-Where were you in 1910, the
early part Of that year? An the
early part Of the year was in Ugands
on the Upper White Nile.
Q.-And you returned to this coun
try at what time? Al returned abou
June 20, TO the United States.
Q.-At that time did you have any
correspondence or any conversation
with Mr. Barnes? Al had correspond
ence with him. | may have met hin
once and had conversation with him
but Of that am not sure.
BY Mr.. Bowers: (Referring to con
versation with Mr. Barnes on the com
ing state convention in 1910, after HI.
return from Africa You had a con
bearing upon the subject of the ne
cessity of bosses to party government
Barnes Letter Is Read.
Colonel Roosevelt said there was cor
respondence on the subject Of legisla
tion in Albany, and the letter from
Mr.. Barnes read as follows:
"Albany Evening Journal
Albany, y. T.. July 4, 1910.
MY Dear Roosevelt: | am sorrl
that you did not give me an oppor
tunity TO see you before ! sailed, fol
my mind is entirely clear regarding thu
political situation, and | think that m,
judgment - not absurd.
Ever since he has been Governo
Mr.. Hughes has endesvored, through
his speeches and his attitude, TO arous,
resentment in every locality agains
the men who have been doing the pc
litical work of the Republican party
Some of those men are the best ant
most unselfsh Of men. Some of then
are the meanest and most selfish O.
men.
at was a gage of battle thrown dowi
which IL was my duty TO resist, because
/ If ! am TO remain in the leadership o
this county that leadership must bt
satisfactory TO the Republican peopl,
of the county. cannot be exploited a
a machine made politician or a patron
age-broker without resisting the charge
tC the best of my strength.
81 never could subscribe 10 the doc
trine advanced by the Governor, which
was this: Disagreement with him mean
that 3 man was rascal.
What ] am most deeply interested
in is the subject Of direct nominations
which, If ever adopted by this state
will lead to untold evils in public lif,
and place therein the cheapest kind o,
. citizens.
The attitude OF the Governor tow
ard the Legislature Is 70 depopulatt