The star-independent. [volume] (Harrisburg, Pa.) 1904-1917, 1915-01-27
Mr. S. Zilberman For
gives John D. Rocke-
feller. Jr.. for Having
Her Arrested
HE AGAIN GREETS
"MOTHER" JONES
Interesting Sidelights as Millionaire
Testifes Before the Industrial Re-
lations Commission on the Principles
of the Rockefeller Foundation
By Associated Press.

mer in the Standard Oil building here
while taking part in the so-called
mourners' parade, as a protest by the
Industrial Workers of the World
against the shooting of miners at Lud-
low, greeted Mr.. Rockefeller to-day
when he reached the City Hall where
the Industrial Relations Commission
hearings are held. Yesterday she said
she ''forgave Mr. Rockefeller = for
having her arrested. To-day she brought
him "a message of good will Mr..
Rockefeller shook hands and chatted
with her for several minutes,
1--WE are products of two classes, -
Mrs. Zilberman said. "You represent
the capitalistic class while | am a So
cialist. There is struggle on between
these classes
Two Glasses Should Meet
eyes, unfortunately. replied Mr..
Rockefeller. "There ought to be some
ground upon which we can meet and
come to a better understanding with
each other"
Il don t believe philanthropy will
ever bring US together Mrs. Zilber-
man replied. There will have to be
some compromise between the classes. -
On the witness stand Mr.. Rockefeller
said he did not believe the Rockefeller
foundation would ever, or could, within
the terms of its charter, participate in
politics, the defense of trusts or any
thing other than its stated philan-
thropic purposes. He did not believe
the powers of the foundation were un-
limited.
could it circulate party plat
FORMS - asked Chairman Walsh.
mo such things has ever been
thought of, the witness replied. 'Cer-
tainly no such thing could ever be at
tempted.
What Foundation Couldn't Do
"Under its charter, might not your
Foundation circulate editorial criti-
cisms of the government or the
churches7 Might it not buy a chain of
stores, organize real estate company
or conduct propaganda in favor of trade
unions or wOrkmen S compensation ~
Mr.. Rockefeller thought the founda-
tion could not do such things. He had
not considered the questions, he said.
Chairman Walsh cited a hypotheti-
cal case in which the foundation might
desire to have circulated a speech of
W. l.. Maskenzie King, opposing GER
tain suggestions which might be made
by Frank V. Hayes, of the United Mine
Workers of America. Mr.. Walsh asked
if the funds of the foundation could be
used to circulate Mr.. Kings speech.
Mr.. Rockefeller thought they could
be.
Foundation 100 Years From Now
There was no danger, the witness
thought, in the possibility that 100
years from now the directors of the
foundation might not be men of the
same high standards and ideals as the
present directors. He was asked wheth-
er he had objected toa "court of last
resort, consisting of the President of
the United States, the Governor of New
York and the presidents of several uni
versities, such court having the power
of veto over the Rockefeller founda-
tion. Mr.. Rockefeller said ne had none.
He did not think such an amendment
20 the charter of the Rockefeller foun-
dation was necessary however.
Chairman Walsh read the terms of
the deed of gift transferring $780,
100000 from Mr.. Rockefeller. Sr to
the foundation. They stated that So
600, 600 year should be set aside out
of the income for the personal bene-
factions of Mr.. Rockefeller. Sr.. and
that the remainder should be turned
into the general treasury of the foun-
dation. The total income of the foun-
dation last year. the witness said was
$5,000.000.
Effects of Backslider
Commissioner Garretson then began
to question the witness.
Suppose backslider developed in
one of the board2' asked the commits
sioner.
We have not even considered that
question, said the witness. "He would
certainly be in the minority and could
not do much. -
Mr.. Garretson asked the witness
whether he thought that at some time
IN the future the great philanthropic
foundations might try to dominate the
churches, the schools and people as the
German militarist idea had done since
1870.
The witness didn t think so. The
people of the United States would never
tolerate such thing he declared and.
moreover, the foundation had no such
idea. Their idea was to bring about
better conditions.
Mr. Rockefeller said he did not be.
Ieve union leaders should have the 4
right to call strikes without consulting
the workers themselves. Neither did
he think employees should have the right
to stop work without appealing to their
constituency.
Place Ban on Untruthful
What's the function of publicity
agent'' asked Commissioner Garrett.
son. "ls he hired to put across
statements, or to tell the trutha''
p" If he didn t tell the truth I Ger.
tainly would have nothing to do with
him., - replied the witness.
lie was glad to say he believed EN-
pioyers of labor were coming more and
more to lend the helping hand to their
employees, Personally, he would lend a
helping hand in every way to his EN-.
ployes.
He added that it would be a valuable
neip to directors of corporations if rep.
resentatives of labor would make sug. |
gestlons regarding methods of improy !
ing the condition of the workers.
Commissioner Weinstock read figures
taken from Mr.. Rockefeler's testi |
nony of yesterday which had to do
With the earnings of the Colorado Fuel |