New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1915-02-05

,,o,,bl, hill is about $40. He wears out
, g % pair of shoes every three weeks.
his Uifc's s. SC shoes last about three
months. aud his childrcn's shoes, 81 80
q nair, don't survive more than
month. He said he hadn't bought a new
suit in nine years.
When he sand his earnings didr'
average more than $40 = month the
commissioners started 20 figure. They
found that. ON Waters figures. living.
which included life insurance and
clothing. amounted 60 about so a
month 500 M 'ho lowest Il looked n
T nc had engaged an efficiency expert
'o demonstrate how an income Of $50
can cover an outCo Of $50. And oven
when nc said his wife acted occa
Slonally as waShorwoman 10 help out,
tho puzzle was almost az great
He had saved some money. he said,
whom he had better job. but the corn
misslouers we're unable 10 solve the
riddle. Water, who said he didn't
drink or chew and smoked only pipe.
tried 10 explain the fact by saying
that he owes tho grocer $50 and the
butcher $40 and that when he had cash
he could save by making purchases
from a pcddlcr.
Couldn't Join Mon.
Water said he didn't belong 20 r
union because ne couldn't pay the 81
necessary 20 join. He said he talked
tho union question over with Super-
in,cndcut Phillips Of the LicbiC plant.
Mr.. Phillips said he liked unions,
Water remarked.
MIR Hepburn AT the opening or his
examination was questioned about his
connection with the American Agri-
cultural Chemical Company. He SAID
he had Joined at the company's INVITA-,
ton 20 aid IN reyamplng ITS inanclaI
system. lie was told that the capital
zatiou was under what IL should be, so
he corscrtcd TO become a director. tie
has $1,000 M stock.
Did YOU ever inspect the Chrome
rlaut"" Chairman Walsh asked.
"No. sir" he answered.
accepting the testimony Of Water
here as true" Mr.. Walsh said, what
do YOU think Of conditions there :.
AS he described them, they were
very unsatisfactory"
Did YOU make an inquiry a. 10 the
Justice Of the laborers' demands dId
you do this after the shooting MI
Walsh asked.
CS. SIT. l lelfpHObtu ~ WI va
ford and saw him two or three
times"
Directors Responsibility.
HAS the strike situation ever been
discussed at board meetings ~
"No. sir We had our last meeting
four or FIVE weeks ago, but ! don't re-
call that the subject was brought up.
all the plants. but frequently the dl-
lectors leave before all the reports
have been read"
Mr.. Hepburn said the board OF direc-
tors are and should be wholly response
bic for labor conditions and all other
conditions, and that the officers Of the
company have full authority TO act. 81,
However. do not feel that | am directly
responsible for conditions At Chrome,
lie said. because did my duty when
2 cast NV vote f.. the officers. ! don't
feel that | am competent TO advise
these trained men on what they should
10. II is not directly in my field.
have never had personal contact win
labor. my duties coniining me TO the
financial phase Of the work.
The last witness or the day was Mr..
Ullluuit. who had reached page II OF
II ight-page statement OF ms
views when an adjournment was taken.
Mr.. Hillquit told OF the history Of the
three big foundations, and said that
v here the Steel and Oil trusts were the
FIRST BIC corporations in this country.
the Carnegie and Rockefeller founda-
tons were the first trusts in their
ncld. lie called the foundations phil
anthropic trusts" lie said the foun-
dation money was not spent along the
cldtime charitable lines, and was de-
voted too much TO peoples Of foreign
Z, untries rather than 10 the men at
lone who helped build up these for
tunes.
When Ny. Hillquit left the stand ne
was approached by Jerome d. Greene,
secretary Of the Rockefeller Founda-
ton, who said that the socialist mad
rot adhered 10 the truth in all ms
statements. There was no fight