The Detroit times. [volume] (Detroit, Mich.) 1903-1920, 1914-10-21

Eyes. In March. 1911. Two OF my
ribs were bent, the cartilage broken
and my forehead cut had been In
poor health previously"
On July &C." she said her health
was medium" She cried when ref
erence was made to her husbands ar
rest.
Il was visiting with my daughter
at my sister's place In Pearl Beach
In July, 1914. I went there Monday
and was to return Friday. My hus-
band was TO meet me o. Pearl Beach.
IL he did not come I was to go to the
city hall, got 70 Detroit at about
o'clock In the afternoon"
DO you remember being home on
July 10. when Mr.. Brennan came to
your place"
Yes. he came In q big machine be-
tween and 8 In the evening. | Was
sitting on the porch and my husband
was alongside OF me. My son.in-mw
was leaning against porch post
When Mr. Brennan came I took the
rocker and went alongside the house.
I did not hear the conversation
'Now did you hear Mr.. Creams con
versation In your house on Sunday,
July EST"
Eyes, sir: was lying III on the dav-
export Mr.. Green said: Mrs. Gin
nan. don't worry; as sure as there Ii
God In heaven I'll do oil can for
Tom have . mother Of my own;
don't worry"
Mrs. Gilman sobbed out this state
ment, making . heroic struggle to
keep her self-composure.
She told the same story that her
daughter related 40 to the converse
ton that took place between her hus-
band and Green.
"Hs said. Tom. you're not crook;
you're an honest man." said the wife.
and the statement sounded pathetic
and appealing.
Mrs. Gilman answered the few
questions Of the prosecutor IN tear
choked voice.
"Your health 10 not very soodr
mo, SIR"
"Thats ali then. don't care to ex-
anime you further"
Mrs. Gilman remained In the court
romo with her daughter and Mr.. Gin
mans sister. She asked for q glass
Of water and appeared To be In very
nervous state.
Arthur J. Mc0urn. former Burns
operative, was the next witness called.
He said he worked for railroad as
q stenographer In Montana. Return
ing to Chicago he took position with
the Illinois Central railroad. He was
employed by the Pinkerton National
Detective agency, resigning to handle
a case himself. He was o private de-
teotive and real estate agent before
joining the william ]. Burns Co. a. .
dictagraph operator.
He came to Detroit In that capac-
ity on May 9. registsring at the Cad
lilac hotel and reporting TO Brennan
at room No. 400 IN the Ford building.
He vas In charge Of room No. 408,
the New England Historical so
cietyS" ONCE.
Il was put on SHADOW work. fol-
lowing Q hxer. Then was told to
get spot on AID. Gilman" said Nc
Gurn
"Mr. Brennan gave me the alder
mans home address. I had . list d
the aldermen that needed particular
watching Other aldermen were
checked on a. being all right. The
purpose Of the sheet was that we
could get acQuaintsA with the alder
men We were 10 shadow.
Some time sitter I went to get
spot on Gilman. was told to get
the names Of all the, members Of the
families Of the different aldermen"
did you get o spot on Gilman ?"
Yes. saw him come out Of .
house with o punch bowl or some
thing like that. I Swallowed him from
that day nearly to the day OF his ar
rest. I found that he came down.
town on FORFEIT. car and got on at
Griswold-st. about 10 q. m. I picked
him up downtown and lot him 60.
when he got on the car again that
afternoon"
Then he was shadowsd around the
various places downtownT
yes
did you in your shadow work as
certain anything that Aid. Gilman did
that would create suspicion in yout
mind2'
The prosecution objected to the
question.
McGurn then told how he shadow
ed Gilman when he went to lunch
and back again.
81 never saw him do anything
81 object" shouted Frazer.
Again MeGurn >trisd to get In his
testimony over the objection.
I'm all my shadowing I did not
see him connected with anybody or
do anything"
T object" again interrupted the
prosecutor.
The Judge attempted to help the
witness complete his testimony and
finally McGurn managed TO state
that he never saw Gilman, do any
thing that aroused suspicion.
Watch all the people Gilman
talked WITH"
yes"
Prior to the day Of the arrest
were you doing any other work."
~ received instruction az 90 what
Was TO do with the dictagraph. On
July 1 1, was taking notes, with Mr..
Sheridan. Of the conversation be-
tween Brennan and Gilman"
Tell MS Of that conversation" Sc
THE dictagraph had q buxzing
sound and we did not get all the
conversation. There was nothing In
connection 70 rhis vote on the Wa
bash petitions.
Brennan asked him what he
thought would be a fare salary for
position and Brennan suggested
500 a month";
McGurn was asked II he Swallowed
anyone connected with his own ONCE.