New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1914-11-15
SULLNAN'S ACTS
AROUSED CUMMlNS
Former Head of Carnegie
Trust Co. Charges Dis
honest Deals.
BELIEVES WRECkER
KEPT BANKS MONEY
Pair Had Row Over Auto Ride
Prison Conference Barred at
Prosecutors Inquiry.

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William J. Cummins, wrccker Of the
Carnegie Trust Company and ono of
the two "big" men in Sing Sing prison,
made it known yesterday. in describing
the high life there to Assistant District
Attorney Louis Goldstein. Of Brook
Ign. that he had absolutely no use for
David A. Sullivan, director of the
Union Bank, who is the other big
man" in the place.
Cummns, during his examination by
Goldstein, who is aiding District At
torney Cropsey in investigating Sulli-
vans conduct, asserted that, on one
occasion, when he made trip with
former Warden Mccormick, in the
mysterious prison automobile, he re-
fused to ride with Sullivan, so the lat
ter was barred from the party.
The party consisted Of five, who
were going out to pick apples on
Charles j. Posts farm near Ossining.
Cummins. not being on good terms
with Sullivan, protested against going
out with him, and carried his point.
Cummins, after being grilled for
nearly an hour in Warden Weeds of
fee, gave out the first statement since
his conviction two years ago, in which
he denied having money slowed away.
lie asserted. on the other hand, that
he is practically pennilcss, and that
because of the strain on his aged
mother. his wife and daughters, he
feels keenly being associated, in the
newspaper stories, with the Union
Bank scandal.
Under examination he admitted at
tending a conference in the prison on
the night Mr.. Goldstein first visited
there to investigate Sullivan's auto
mobile rides. He said that while he
was present he mad not been invited
70 the conference. He asserted that
Keeper Deeley and George jenkins
happened TO use for the conference the
office he occupied. They sent for Au-
gustus Price. the former lawyer SEN
fenced from Brooklyn. for legal advice
as to what they should say in discuss
/ ing the Sullivan affair, exposed by The
/ Tribune.
! 1t was following this conference that
b. NJ. J. Malloy. prison clerk, was COM
mitted for contempt Of court for refus-
! ing to answer questions for the grand
/ jury.
Cummins swore that he used the
auto only once. He asserted that he
disliked Sullivan because he thought
he was holding bank moneys from de-
positors and that he had told him so.
Price, who was also examined is UNI
derstood to have corroborated Cum
mins's statement about the confer
enve. John Conway, the other pris-
oner examined, threw considerable light
/ on privileges accorded Sullivan under
/ Mccormick regime. Goldstein spent
four hours quizzing the three inmates
in private
! Afterward, when asked what he had
/ learned to pay him for his trouble
/ the Prosecutor smiled and said: I'll
| simply say. the trip up here was well
worth while
/ Goldstein also has been told that one
night last week emocratic leaders OF
/ Yonkers, including Deputy State Con
/ troller Michael j. Welsh, the West
/ chester boss, had conference to de-
/ termine how the ousted Warden is TO
/ be taken care Of" This means, it is
/ said, that Walsh and the bosses OF
/ Yonkers will be called before the grand
! Jury again TO aid it's questf or the
missing Warden.
Cummins'S statement, given out
| through Goldstein, reads, in part:
81 know nothing about the purchase
- 80. sc1~ al. Ia
or any of the trips Of Sullivan or the
warden that you are investigating, fur
! Their than hearsay. In addition 90 my
duties as record clerk, | am allowed
to assist the State Banking Depart
ment in its liquidation of the closed
Carnegie Trust Company. | am sure
they will state my services are and
have been valuable. and that | have
unhesitatingly given them, night or
day. George Van Tuyl and George
w. Egbert, department superintendent,
in charge of the Carnegie Trust Com
pany. will testify to these facts.
al hold the confidence and respect,
regardless of my imprisonment here,
Of every officer, director. clerk and
stockholder. as well as all the large
depositors. Not a stakeholder or de-
positor has ever raised his voice
against me.
al came from Tennessee to New York
rrevious to these Union Bank-Sullivan
so-called occurrences, and know moth
inc on earth about them. have stated
hare facts. do not admire Sullivan
and every one else here knows this
| fact.
~ will further say I never spent q
night out Of my bed IN Sing Sing
prison. Since my incarceration OF
March 10, 1914. this keeper and every
man will testify that our apple pick
ing trip was hard work, but 1t was out
in Gods free air" He then denied
having hidden wealth. 81.
"ITi admit that the papers have 1t
right when they say | was big physiI,
caIlv" he continued. when ] arrived
here. Prison regulations and fare,
close application to my work and reg
ular exercise in the prison yards. how
ever. have reduced ne seventy-hy@
pounds, so | made as good an apple
catherer' as any Of them"