The Detroit times., 1914-09-18
YOU'RE DIRTY SCOUNDREL,
M'NAMARA ROARS ATBURNS.
| in HOT GRILL OF DETECTIVE

that afternoon and how the program
was to be carried out.
In answer to another question, the
witness said that Il was planned to
have Gilman come last to the ONCE
In the Ford building that afternoon.
Mcnamara insisted that Burns con-
tradicted himself, having said at one
time that the plan was not discussed
In this meeting. and now that II
was.
II will say that am not sure that
tft WAS discussed Burns attempted to
explain.
Burns said he was not sure that he
invited" Andrew Green up to the
Ford Offices to see the aldermen
trapped. Attorney Van Dyke was also
! In the Office. but the mayor was alb.
sent.
IT did not think II necessary to
have the mayor there" said the wit
ness.
More Angry Words.
McNamara was unable to get Burns
| to tell when he arrived In Detroit to
spring the trap" The witness also
failed to remember the hour of the
arrest of aldermen In the Ford build
ing ONCE. Mcnamara attempted to
choke OF an answer from the wit
ness to question, and the two again
exchanged angry words.
"Who introduced you to Tom Gin
nam" Mcnamara asked.
"Mr. Brennan, ] think"
Witness could not recollect what
hour of the day he went to the Ford
building office, and who accompanied
him. O'Neil. Sheridan and several
other operatives were In the ONCE
when he arrived, he said. Two were
stenographers, and one was q tele-
graphone operator.
In answer to McNamara's questions
and telegraphone were located In
room No. 400.
Burns said he did not remember
where he got his knowledge Of the
final plans for springing the trap
when he arrived In Detroit.
But did have It," insisted the
witness
Mcnamara vainly tried by various
questions to find out what transpired
In Van Dykes office when Burns
called there on the morning Of July
l26. Burns refused to allow his stay
In Van Dykes Office with Thompson,
Green, Brennan" and others, to be
called a meeting. He finally admitted
that he could not recall "as fact"
when the meeting" took place, who
were there, what was said, etc.
Burns Guest Of Green.
Burns admitted having two private
meetings with Andrew Green, one In
the Detroit club, and the other in
Green's home, where the detective
spent a night as the guest Of the De-
troiter. The witness said 1t was pos
sible that Mr. Green discussed with
him the possibility Of his being can
didate for mayor In Detroit, but he
could not recall Green mentioning
Glinnan's name In connection with
the mayoralty race or the alderman's
opposition to the Thompson fran
chise.
How much are you going to get
for testifying In this case?" was one
OF the questions.
Il would like to charge 500 a day,
my usual price, but have not the
remotest idea what the prosecutor
will allow me-" answered the witness
He could not say how much he re-
ceived from Andrew Green for In
vestigating the aldermen, but ven-
tured the opinion that 1t was not
more than $4,000. After July 26,
Burns said his agency did work for
former Prosecutor Shepherd on other
matters. He denied having given
tom" Gilman the third degree" In
room No. 400, on the afternoon OF the
alderman's arrest.
Mcnamara Tired Out.
Attorney Mcnamara spent about
an hour attempting to get from Burns
a description OF the arrangement OF
the furniture In room No. 400 on the
afternoon Of Glinnans arrest, and
also the names Of the operatives, To-
cal detectives, stenographers, and
others who were in the adjoining
room and In the corridor while Gin
nan was being trapped In the ONCE.
The detective countered, substituted
and revised his answers to the ques-
tons SO often that Attorney McNam-
ara, tired out physically by his ef-
forts In cross-examinlng, shortly be-
fore o'clock, asked the court to ad-
journ the trial until 8 o'clock, Fri
day morning. The defense announced
that there was no telling when the
examination Of Burns would be con-
cluded.