The Detroit times. [volume] (Detroit, Mich.) 1903-1920, 1914-09-14
Namara Passes Sleuth Back
) Frazer For Further Cues
tioning After Hours of
Cr0ss-Fire
&ZZED ABOUT LAWSUIT
WITH THE "BIG" BURNS
Ter Heard the Latter's Verac-
" Discussed, Witness Tells
Defense's Attorney

t0rney James Mcnamara finished
long, grilling REORGANIZATION oil
ctive Walter J. Burns, "alias
man." at 1920 o'clock, Saturday
hing. and Prosecutor Frazer start
pn his redirect examination, At
ey Mcnamara objecting to almost
question that the prosecutor
one important matter, the objec
OF the defense was sustained, and
ecutor Frazer lost a hard fight
Pt from the witness testimony re-
& to former Council Committee
Schreiter's alleged money
!" with Aid. Gilman, previous to
action OF the sort by Detective
dge Phelan, In ruling out some
raxer's questions, said they were
erous, and would endanger the
I'd Of the case.
he defense brought 1t out them.
es." was Prosecutor Frazer's com
but the Judge said that that did
make the matter admissible.
one OF his answers to Attorney
amara. Friday, Burns had said
he did not Cffer Gilman any
by previous. to July IL, but he add
But Schreiter had"
lat answer was the basis of one
[r. Frazer's questions TO the wit,
but Judge Phelan refused to let
go into 1t, after Mcnamara OBJ
ID.
chreiter is Witness" said the
p, "and what he did may be learn.
rom him. From this witness, II
d be hearsay."
rms explained, under cross-exam.
on. Saturday, how the dicto.
h worked. There was q hidden
wing disc In his room. with wires
Ing through the partition, to
dgears" with discs over the ears
Operatives Jimmy Sheridan and
ur McGurrin. who took Gown
they heard, in shorthand.
md accuracy of the record de-
ID on the ability Of the stenog.
ers?" was asked.
be witness said that was true.
ke defense intends to attack the
~ and reliability OF Operative
tdan.
J. Mcnamara repeated his de-
Dc for Burns daily reports, which
witness said he made to his
hcipar' keeping copies which are
now In the prosecutors Office.
There's nothing sacred about
3 reports" said Mcnamara. 'Gil.
lin, reporter. knew all about
b: Andrew Green. citizen. also
and sodid Mayor Thompson, Mr..
Dyke, and others"
dge Phelan took the matter un.
advisement.
Mcnamara Sums Up.
torney McNamara started sum.
up with Burns at 10 o'clock,
b back over the various points
he was trying to show, by the
ess, and dwelling on the theory
Burns was willing to pay money
lny alderman, whether he was In
" OF the petitions or not" that
hs had taken the offer OF money
be aldermen, and that Gilman had
asked for money.
hen Mr.. Mcnamara swung into
ussion OF William ]. Burns. who
expected to be the next witness.
lillian j. Burns. however, left for
York city. Friday night, to trans
some urgent business OF his own,
lining Prosecutor Frazer's permits.
TO 20. He will return Monday
ming, In time for the trial.
1ou have been more or less close
Associated with William j. Burns,
be 190S?" asked Mcnamara.
ne witness said he had been.
Now I'll ask you what you know
Mt the reputation for truth and
kcity Of William J. Burns" said
Namara.
never heard 1t discussed" said
witness.
Didn't you say, yourself, repeated
that William J. Burns could not be
eved or trusted?"
Prosecutor Frazer objected. Judge
3lan said that, inasmuch as VII
b ]. Burns was a witness In the
3, the witness could be asked II
would believe Burns under oath.
You are involved In a lawsuit, now
b william ]. Burns?' said McNa
ia.
Dir. Frazer objected to that as not
ring on the case at Issue.
.It Involves this case: bears d.
Ny ON IT," said Mcnamara. And
betimes, when two men get into q
fsuit, they tell the truth about
|h other"
judge Phelan's Philosophy,
land, sometimes" interjected Judge
blan, with q smile, they don't. Bui
1T bearing has that lawsuit on this
|e?"
None interposed Prosecutor Fra
They are simply trying to OBJ
Ire the Issue, that Tom Gilman
n q BRIDE"
kr. Mcnamara withdrew his ques
b temporarily. and made q state
hit.
I'VE contend that the witness has
tined that William j. Burns was
man who planned the aldermanit
h, and that the witness was only ar
|trument to carry II out" Mr.. Nc
mara said.
He made the witness admit that his
JEFF had made the original plan Il
ID the aldermen. though Brennan
ID that he had carried out the plar
ing his own lines.
FBut you didn't know who were Il
In the once next door TO yours. OF
lat oficers should arresc the alder
IN at the door," was asked.
rhe witness admitted that he didn't
the time.
|'Now,- said Mr.. Mcnamara, I'm
hr suit against william J. Burns
b swear that the aldermanic traI
% your own plan: and that yo'
I've won m international reputatioL
the man who trapped the Detroi
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