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THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEW

THE PEorLE OF THE STATE OF NEW
YORK, BY THE GRACE OF GOD FREE
A ATg if fH!fIP II nickS, 5 HHi2InE H9Hf
hhFRED HICKS WILLIAMS, ADEkA
EvARTs. ADELA L. HUBBARD land all
other heirs at law and next OF kin OF said
Marguerite n. Hicks. late Of the city and
OF residence cannot with due diligence be
ascertained, to wit, the living issue o. de.
scendants o. unknown brothers or sisters Of
father OF said deceased the heirs and next
o. hin Of Marguerite p. Hicks deceased,
whereas c. ELLIOTT MINOR. who re-.
sides At go Fl. James Place Borough OF
Brooklyn, IN the City Of New York. has lately
applied to the surrogates Court OF our
strument IN writing. dated the 18th day OF
April, 1911. relating to both real and per
soral property, duly proved as the last VIII
and Testament OF Marguerite y Hicks. who
was At the time of her death resident OF
the CITY Of New York. IN the County OF New
York, deceased.
~ show cause before the surrogatss Court
% our County OF New York at the Hall OF
Records, In the County Of New York, on the
18th day Of November. one thousand nine
O'Clock In the forenoon Of that day, why the
said VIII and Testament should not be al
mitted 20 probate as a VIII OF real and per
in Testimony whereof. We have caused
the Seal OF the surrogs'es Court OF the said
County 81 New York to be hereunto afrSed
Surrogate Of our said County oi
New York. At said County. the 1871
IL. 81 day OF october, In the year Of our
Lord one thousand nine hundred and
DANIEL J. DowDNEY.
Clerk Of the surrosates Court.
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RESULTS OF NEW HAVEN
ECONOMIES ARE SHOWN
With Decrease In Operating
Revenues There Is Increase
in Income.

Tho report Of the New York New Ha-
ven and Hartford Railroad Company for
tho month OF September and the three
months ended September 30 while II shows
a decrease in railway operating revenues
for the month and the three month period
nevertheless displays an Increase In gross
and net income. This Ia taken as an
Indication that tho stringent economies
which are being practised by Howard
Elliott and the new management Of the
company and Its subsidiaries arc begin
ming to have their effect.
Railway operating revenues for the
New Haven for the month OF September
were s5.s02,37s, as compared with S6ib2,-
739 for september. 1919, with a railway
operating income Of i,779.607. against
l,6S4,40 The gross income for tho
month was s2.o11.7s4 rs compared with
tl.s6ss54, with net corporate income
Of s4s34s4. against t3ss624. For tho
three months ended September 80, 1914
/ the railway operating revenue was W.
3l4,020. as compared with sls,l64,96l for
the corresponding period In 1913. with a
railway operating income OF Na73,4 Az,
against S5,040.258. The gross income for
the three months period WAS $5,725, 606,
ms compared with sb,702.420, with net
operating income OF si22s,376, against
81 266, $50 during the corresponding period
last year.
| Several OF the various subsidiaries Of
/ the company, however, have not been 50
! fortunate either In tho matter OF their
| gross earnings or In the not income. Tho
! railway operating revenues Of the New
York. Ontario and Western for the month
OF September were ss2l.9 6s. as compared
with ss50,3l9 for the correspond ng
month Of 1918. with net operating income
! Of slss.4a2, against s2l2.S6s The gross
/ income Of the company was s203.797. M
compared with s233O75. and the net cor
porate income s50,45s. against sai.397.
! For tho three months ended September
/ 30 the railway operating revenue was
So.sl5o5o as compared with sash5, 293,
with net operating income OF S911,03
| as compared with s9aGGo0 The gross
| corporate income ~ the company was
s96o,5id, as compared with s097,S94,
while the net corporate income amounted
- 'b2ol0i. against s55s,420.
Tho New England Steamship COMPANY
gNowed operating revenues for the month
OF Se0'emher Of s42463s, as compared
! With SAGS 900 and u net corporate income
for the month of s3i sol, against s5e.764
For the three months ended September 30
1914, the operating revenue was Si,47T-
SO6, as compared with sl,660,l3d, with
\ me- corporate income Of se50992
agairst 1851. id9
Tive Rhode Island company showed on
Grating revenues OF s467,299 for the
month OF September NJ compared with
SAbi,7i7 for the corresponding month In
1918, with a net corporate income OF sl2..
1873 against s2o4+9, For the three
months ended September 30, 1914. the on,
ti,bss,ssb with net corporate income fol
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The approximate amount OF the lien or
charge 10 satisfy which the above described
property IL TO be sold, IL 3lb,6l2.J0, with
Interest thereon from the 25th day OF sep
,ember. 1914 together with the costs and
allowance amounting to ftoiss. with inter
expenses OF tho sale The approximate
amount OF tho taxes, assessments and water
rates or other liens which are TO be allowed
10 the purchaser out Of the purchase money,
or paid by tho Referee. 10 3733.i6 and In
terest.
said premises will he sold subject to a
party wall agreement recorded In Liber 2277
OF ConveyAnces, at page 2ss, rights OF
monthly tenants. rights Of Telephone Com
pany 70 maintain switchboard on rear
Fence. and state OF facts shown survey
made by Earl n. Lowell. dated April 81, 1910.
Dated, New York. October 10. 1914
ISAAC r. COHEN. Referee
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sURRoaATEg NoTICEs.

suancs of an order OF Hon. Robert Ludlow
Fowler. a Surrogate of the County OF New
sSy m n Gain. AGAINST Jeann.,ts Il RsoiS a.
lupo. late OF the County OF New York. de-
ceased. to present the same with vouchers
transacting business. the once OF 'Coudert
Brothers. No. Rector street, In tho City OF
New York, on before the 25th day OF Jan
uary rNxt Dated. New York. the 10th day OF
July. isit FRANK JEANNE and WILL
IAN ~. HAMILTON, Executors COUDERT
BROTHERS Attorneys for Executors
Rector street, ~. Y. City.
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EUROPEAN MAILS.

The Holland America steamship Fotedsm,
sailing o-morrnw for Rotterdam will take
mail closing at the General Post once at
$50 A NJ FOR IN. Netherlands, Germany.
Austria Hungary. LuNemburg and for other
countries when specially addressed.
The Norwegian America steamship Kris
tianIafjord. sailing tomorrow for Bergen,
will take mail. closing at 10 A NJ. for Nor.
way. sweden, Denmark. Russia, Austria.
Hungary. Germany and for other countries
teNrept Luxrmbursl when specially ad
dressed
The Red star liner Lapland, sailing on
Wednesday for Liverpool viii carry mall,
closing at $3.50 \. NJ, for Europe except
Germany. Austria. Hungary, Luxembourg and
Turkey Africa. West Asia and the East
Indies.
The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1914-11-09
GARY MILLS TO CLOSE A WEEK.
Operations to He CurtniIed, hut Full
shutdown Not Likely.

GARY, Ina, Nov, s,--Orders have been
given TO close the Gary mills Of the Illinois
Steel Company. The order will affect
about 1000 men. This is the first time
In the history of the Gary plant that there
has been a total shutdown. Work, II is
said, win be resumed on November Is,
President II. j. Burlington OF the Illinois
Steel Company said that while operations
would be curtailed It is no indication that
the mills will remain idle for the re-
mainder OF the year.
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sUNTMONsEs.

SUPREME COURT. STATE OF NEW
YORK NEW YORK CoUNTY-ALEX-
AN1HR a. sT sEPPE ESsSy PiG psinra,n;
Summons Action for Absolute Divorce
TO THE ABOVE NAMED DEFENDANTi
YOU ARE HEREBY SUMMONED to an
swer the complaint in this action. and 20
serve "a copy OF your answer on tho plain
tirrs attorney within twenty days after thu
service Of this summons, exclusive OF the day
Of service, and In case Of your failure 70
appear or answer, Judgment viii be taken
against YOU. by default for the relief de-
m@ n.,sd e ,hs y o1mptIa alT ,o,, ,,,.
join WILLIAM SMITH, Plaintiffs At
torney. ?o3 broadway, Manhattan
Borough, ~. Y. city.
To Annie W stephenson, DEFENDANT
The foregoing summons IL served upon
you by publication. pursuant TO an order OF
the Hon Barlow g Weeks. Justice OF the
supreme Court Of The state OF New York,
the Complaint IN the once OF tho Clerk Of
the County Of New York on the srd day OF
October, 1914
Dated New York. octoher srd, 1914
JOHN WILLIAM SMITH, Plaintiffs At
torney, Once p. q. Address. eos
BROADWAY, Borough of Manhattan. New
York CITY
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SJEGEL MAY TESTIFY;
TRIAL STARTS TO-DAY
Nothing In Defendants Record
70 Prevent His Taking Stand,
says Stanchficld.
Jury OF FARMERS LIKELY

orxrsro. Nov. s.--Henry siepel. whose
millions late last December, may take the
Witness rand In hts own defence. This
va, the ,rtImation given to-day by John
aianchneld. counsel for the merchant.
s,egel arrived at Geneseo at II :5s to-
n rht and registered at ahe Big Tree Inn.
He greeted the newspaper men waiting for
him Win vordiality and announced:
4 am feeling fine. ! am NJ for a night
and expect to he acquitted"
siegers trial will begin here tomorrow
botore Justice William W. Clark of the
sLpreme Court. lie will be tried on the
charge ~ the larceny of only s6sto5. al
trough No was indicted on fourteen separ-
axe charges Of grand larceny.
Mr. Siegel will go on the stand II
there Is any testimony which we believe
DO can advantageously give" explained
MIR S'anchheld. II will not hesitate TO
rut him on tho stand. There is nothing
!, his record which will not bear the
.lrieht Of cross-eNamination. Mr.. Siegel
v.,s never more cxtravagant than l have
boon
Mr. stanchfeld made clear the fact
.ra' every step in the prosecutions case
Mi be- met with vigorous opposition.
There are many legal questions that
make this case unique" he said. There
ever has been a larceny case based on
g o,ller circumstances that recall
These legal questions will be raised when
We move tomorrow for the dismissal OF
tie indictment or when we ask the Dis
trl,y Attorney to elect the count in the
Indictment upon which he will proceed
20 trial cannot tell what the court
will DO with the questions. am moi
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BARRETT. NORMA HIN pur.u.nc. o,

q order OF Hon. Robert Ludlow Fowler, a
ing date the ara day OF August. 1914, Notice
IL hereby given to all persons having claims
County of New York. deceased, to present
the same with vouchers thereof TO the sub
scrlber AZ It's place Of tranAacting business
No % William street. In The city OF New
York on or before the a2nd day OF March
next Dated. New York, the sId day OF Sep,
TRUST COMPANY. Executor. FRANK c.
MFBASE, Attorney for Executor. as Broad
way, New York City.
The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1914-11-09
Confederate Daughters Arriving.

SAVANNAH, Ca, Nov, s.--Ths vanguard
of the United Daughters OF the Confeder-
acy began arriving here to-day for their
general convention, which begins Tuesday
and will last through the week, Many
prominent women already are on the
ground, including Mrs Daisy McLaurln
Stevens, president-general OF the or
ganization.
The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1914-11-09
FoRECIosuRE SALE.


YoRK"GEoRGE r w. PoooENpuRG
ana w an pno PsNsn,iTs .s.in'i hLsERT
NoTicE or SALE ""' ''"
In pursuance OF an interiocutory judgment
OF partition and sale, duly made and entered
In the above entitled action and bearing date
a., ,,.,. IN ,S day o. august. i'i. tn: vnass
Will sell at public auction at the Bschang.
Sales Sales Rooms nov located At Nos LIS
city Of New York in 0' the County o. New
York on the 18th day OF November. 1919.
p.y ISlSiS sssn t Sn 'ns. S:y b SsS p
said judgment TO be sold and therein de-
ser,9sd as; as ,olIows Low, -, . ,. n,
,itus,e; lying End being in The Borough q
bounded and described a. follow. to vii.
.,I sb ~ Tr At Pc,n, on ,h. Mor;n.,y
six feet Eastsriy from the Northeasisriy
corner OF First Avenue and Twenty;second
parable. with the First XSsnus ninety. eight
Feet and mine inches TO the centre line OF
line. twenty. three feet and .iS inches; and
,ssnes sou,sserly par, 81 the wsy 'hsous E,
on The Esst and parallel With rir. Avsnus
anu thence Westerly along tn. same. twenty.
three feet and six inches to the poin, or
Josephine p. Schneider by Ferdinand sohnei.
der and Katharina, his wife, by deed dated
April eth. 1856, and recorded In the once Of
the Register Of the City and County OF New
York on April sth, 1885 In Lber 1850 OF
Conveyance, page 2ts
TOGETHER with all the right title and
interes; Of tho said Josephine Y. Schneider
In and to the party wall on the Westerly
veyed
Dated. New York, October %. 1914
EDGAR J. NATHAN, Referee
WALLACE y VREELANp, plaintiffs A.
tornsy. No; az PARK Row. Manhattan
Borough, New York city.
The following H. a diagram Of the prop.
srty 20 be sold: Its street number IL 40s
East 22nd Street:
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Change on the New Haven.

Walter futile Spencer has been sp-
pointed superintendent of the Old Colony
division OF tie New Haven railroad, TAX
ing the place OF Harry e. Oviatt, who has
been promoted, His headquarters will be
at Taunton. Mass,
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NEW JERSEY REAL ESTATE FOR SALE.


Bsth st.. 43-t1-5i r.. at Park Avenue
Doctors Apis, rooms. baths, Sl200-n.fb0
Residence Apis. g. : rooms2 baths.s1 1OO-n, $50
Bachelor Apartments, 3 roms and bath $500
All improvements Standard Service.
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livingston county was selected by
Nr whitman when a change OF venue
Was granted. All we wanted was to keep
away from the large cities where the
Ney York city newspapers are read
A special panel of one hundred tales
men has been ordered TO report to Jus
,!ce Clark tomorrow morning. This will
ps augmented by the regular panel Of
tA.r-v-six members for this term of the
Supreme Court. Most OF the venlremen
are farmers, and many OF them will have
- come considerable distance. That fact
'oupled with the routine business OF the
opening day OF the term Is expected to
d.'ay the beginning OF the Siegel trial
Until tomorrow afternoon or Tuesday
morning Counsel on both sides predict
ma, twelve satisfactory men TO All the
box will he obtained possibly In a day.
The defence will be conducted by Mr..
S,a7chneld and State Senator-elect Charles
y Newton OF Geneseo. The prosecution
will he IN the hands Of Assistant District
Attorney Arthur Train. William n. EN-
treA and Robert s. tombstone. who will
he assisted by Franklin X. Cook. ex-Dis-
,rIct Attorney OF Livingston county. who
resigned a few days ago to participate
IN the prosecution OF Segel
Charge BASED on Cnshed Check.
According TO the Indictment. S,egel Is
alleged 20 have committed grand lar
rsnv when ne cashed check for s6st.05
drawn on the National Bank OF Com
rS-ce In New York city and made pay
able 10 Austin, Nichols a Co, wholesale
grocers on June ~. 1918 The money
was part OF a loan Of 100000 obtained
m notes signed by Oscar A. Prall, treas
urer ot the Fourteenth Street Store, and
'ntorsed by Siegel as president and Frank
Vogel as vice-president OF the Four
tenth Street Store.
-Four notes were given. They wer,
lated April 20, May 6. May and May
a. 1918, and we're discounted for tn,
total amount OF seT.aes57. The proceeds
~ the notes were then deposited In ths
National Bank OF Commerce, to he cred
I'D 10 the Fourteenth Street Store
7, IL alleged that this money, Of which
re fsS4o5 was part. was obtained
through false statements Of the financia
condition on February 1. 1918. Of IN,
Fourteenth Street Store the Simpson
Crawford store and the Henry Siegel com
many OF Boston, all OF which were los
Ing money. the prosecution contends
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SALES BY AUCTION.


BY VIRTUE OF an execution, viii sell to-
day, $3.50 A. NJ, at 1925 Madison Ave- Man
haitian, stock ~ household furnishings con-
agatswArs, brio hrac, cut glass hardware
cooking utensils etc.
SAMUEL H. KRIsKY. Marshal
ny VIRTUE OF an execution, I will sell
o-day at A NJ AT 1913 East ls2d St.
electric and gas chandeliers and electrical
supplies II, HORN, Marshal,
BY VIRTUE OF an execution for lien, will
sell to-day, l r. NJ al $50 r.. lith ST., Man
haitian, Bennington Piano No 5793s stool
and cover. SAMUEL. II, kRISKY, Marshal
SAMUEL VORzIMER. Auctionesr, sells
imported cigars evenings, Nov. y to -, isGs
Broadway Brooklyn.
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arpREMr COURT. COUNTY OF NEW

Dated. New York. October 20 1914
EDGAR J. NATHAN. Referee
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that period OF 11b,a94, against s24s,0s7
for the corresponding months In 1913,
New Iberia enterprise and independent observer., 1914-07-04

walk the floor. l could not lie down or
sit still sometimes for day and night
ut time. l was nervous, and had very
little appetite, no ambition melancholy,
and often felt as though l had not a
friend in the world. After l had tried
most every female remedy without sue
cess, my mother-in-law advised me to
take Lydia E. Pinkham's Vegetable
Compound. l did so and gained in
strength every day. have now no trou-
bic in any way and highly praise your
medicine. 1t advertises itself. Mrs.
S. T. HURLEY, Eldon, Missouri.
Remember, the remedy which did
this was Lydia E. Pinkham's Vegetable
Compound. For sale everywhere.
: It has helped thousands of women
who have been troubled with displace-
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irregularities, periodic pains, backache,
that bearing down feeling, indigestion,
and nervous prostration, after all other
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It? Lydia E. Pinkham Medicine Co.,
Lynn, Mass.
New Iberia enterprise and independent observer., 1914-07-04
HE WON.

A certain workman seems to
be constitutionally opposed to
the institution commonly known
is a bath. 1t is the mans GUS
tom to appear each morning
wearing the CRIME he carried as
he left the shop the previous
night. He appeared one day last
week with a touch of the yolk of
an egg upon his lip.
Seeking to have a little fun,
a fellow employe observed:
"Hello, Jake, bet I can tell
what You had for breakfast this
morning"
Words were banded back and
forth and finally a wager was
made. Then came the climax:
Eggs"
"You're wrong, said Jake.
"We had eggs yesterday morn
ing ''-Ex.
New Iberia enterprise and independent observer., 1914-07-04
SECRETARY OF NAVY SAYS
Z OIL IS FUTURE FUEL.

Secretary Of the Navy Daniels
declares in his annual report for
1913 that oil bids fair to become
the principal fuel Of the navy in
the future. Already the United
States employs it exclusively for
torpedo boat destroyers. and like
wise has four battleships under
construction which will be
equipped with oil burners. as ex-
planned in the February Popular
Mechanics Magazine. Rear Ad-
miral Griffen recommends that
Congress empower the Navy De-
partment to undertake immed-
lately the refining Of it's own oil
from oil wells driven on public
lands. For, it is urged, as for
eien navies are taking up the use
of. oil as fuel. it will not be long
before the constipation for naval
purposes alone, when all fleets
are equipped, win exceed 25-
100000 tons of f,tel oil annually.
The worlds annual sunnly Of
crude oil is now about GO Onn OOO
tons of which the United States
produces 60 per cent. Califor-
ria. Oklahoma and Illinois supply
three-fourths of this.
New Iberia enterprise and independent observer., 1914-07-04
CHARTER OF THE
ORANGE ISLAND OIL md mineral
COMPANY.
STATE OF LOUISIANA,
PARISH OF IBERIA.

PARISH OF IBERIA.
BE 1T KNOWN, that on this 10th
day Of the month Of June, A. D., 1914,
before me, Nathan Davis, Notary Pub
lie, duly commissioned and qualified =.
and for the Parish of iberia, State of
Louisiana, and in the presence Of the
witnesses hereinafter named and under
signed,
Personally came and appeared the
several persons whose names are here
unto subscribed and declared that, avail
ing themselves of the benefit Of the
laws of the State of Louisiana, relative
to the organization of corporations, they
have formed and organized. and by these
presents do form and organize them
selves as we'll as such other persons as
may hereafter join with them, or their
successors. into . corporation for the
objects and purposes and under the
covenants, stipulations and agreements
following, to-wit:
ARTICLE I.
The name, style and title Of this cor
poration shall be the ORANGE ISLAND
OIL AND MINERAL COMPANY, and
under said name it shall enjoy . cor
porate existence and succession for the
full term and period Of ninety-nine years
from and after the date Of this act; it
shall have the power to contract. sue and
be sued, and to make and use . cor
rorats ssal and the same to break or
alter at pleasure. to have, hold and re-
eeive, purchase, ssll, convey, lease, pledge,
bond, Aypetheeats and nertgage proper
New Iberia enterprise and independent observer., 1914-07-04

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The first floor of the large
store building adjoining Hotel
Frederic to let at reasonable
terms. Site suitable for most
any line Of business and rent suf-
ficiently low to justify the use
Of it as an Office building. For
particulars see Joel 81. Fisher.