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Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
Planning Trips
To Crater Lake

Portland Telegram: Judging from
many inquiries received at the Port
land Automobile Clubs office, the
trip to Crater Lake is going to be
one of the most popular drives this
coming season The reason for the
popularity OF this trip is that one
may make a journey of about $50
miles without going over any part
of the road the second time.
AS soon as the mountain passes
are free from snow, which will be in
about two or three weeks, one may
leave Portland and drive into central
Oregon via Mount Hood, Wapinitia
and Maupin to Shaniko. This part of
the trip can easily be made in nine
hours, ii the roads are at all good.
Leaving Shaniko, the best route to
take is by way of Madras and Cres-
cent to Klamath agency. From this
point you may drive directly up to
Crater Lake, but to. get the full
amount of enjoyment out OF the tour
one should continue on south from
Klamath agency to Klamath Falls,
and thence up the west side of Klam-
ath Lake % Crater Lake Lodge
Leaving back, take the road from
Crater Lake Lodge to Medford, as
shown on page 1873 of the Automobile
Clubs tour book.
From Medford to Grants Pass is
fine drive. However, the roads be-
tween Grants Pass and Drain are
very apt to be rough. From Drain to
Portland the roads even now are in a
very good condition. The reason the
Automobile Club suggests going by
way of central Oregon is that now
the roads are in fine shape, but later
in the summer they will become very
dusty. Another reason for going this
way is that more time will be allowed
for the Cow Creek canyon to dry out.
This part of the Pacific Highway is
not much of road, even at its best.
A few of those who have signified
their intention OF making this Crater
Lake trip as soon as the weather per-
mits are w. j. Clemens and family.
a. j. Kingsley and family and A. S.
Doernbecher and family.
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
The Book of the Dead.

The ancient Egyptian "Thc Book of
the Dead" is probably unique among
books, inasmuch that 1t was intended
for use not in this world, but in the
next. 1t consists OF n collection of
prayers and eXOrcisms composed OF
various periods for recitation by the
soul during its passage through hades
and was indeed regarded as a safe con-
duct through that region. For this rea.
son the Egyptians, who themselves en-
titled it Per-em-hrn. "to go forth from
day." buried Il copy Of the work, or
portions Of it. with their dead.-West.
minister Gazette
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
THE PRAISE CONTINUES.
Everywhere We Hear Good Reports
of Doan's Kidney Pills.

Ashland is no exception. Every
section of the U. S. resounds with
praise of Doan's Kidney Pills. Thirty
thousand persons are giving testi-
mony in their home newspapers. The
sincerity of these witnesses, the fact
that they live so near, is the best
proof of the merit of Doan's. Here's
an Ashland case:
s. F. Long, 364 Helman street,
Ashland, Oregon, says: 81 used
two boxes of Doan's Kidney Pills and
they gave me great relief from
backache and kidney trouble. | take
pleasure in confirming what / said
about Doan's Kidney Pills in the pub
lie endorsement l gave them some
time ago."
Mr.. Long Is only one of many Ash
land people who have gratefully en-
dorsed Doan's Kidney Pills. If your
back aches--if your kidneys bother
you, don't simply ask for a kidney
remedy-ask distinctly for Doan's
Kidney Pills, the same that Mr.. Long
had-the remedy backed by home
testimony. so C, all stores. Foster
Milburn Co., Props, Buffalo, N. Y.
"When Your Back Is Lame-Remem-
ber the Name"
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
In n Nutshell.

The people, grumbling slightly at
the time taken from their affairs,
elect representatives.
The representatives organize and
elect leaders.
The leaders make speeches.
The newspapers report what the
speeches contain.
The people read the papers, avoid
ing the speeches and confining them
selves to baseball news.
The representatives perceiving
this, do as they please.
The people then elect new repre-
sentatives. Life.
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
Test For Silk,

II silk splits or cracks II is a sign
that its fabric has been weighted.
There is simple and sure test by
which the quality Of the material may
be determined. A bit OF the silk and n
match are all you need. Light the
match and apply II to the fabric. If 1t
holds its shape the silk Is adulterated
with some of the various minerals so
used. If it runs together In puffy
mass the silk Is pure.
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
POE AND "THE RAVEN"
His Comment on the Thinking Foot
falls and the Birds Shadow.

His Comment on the Thinking Foot
falls and the Birds Shadow.
In II letter written on Dec. IL, 1916,
to G. w Eveett of Phillips, Me-. Ed
gar Allan Poe. in commenting on his
famous poem. The Raven" said:
"For the purpose Of poetry it is quite
sufficient that Il thing is possible, or at
least that the improbability be not Of
fensively glarng. 1t is true that in
several ways. as you say, the lamp
might have thrown the birds shadow
on the floor. My conception was that
of the bracket candelabrum affixed
against the walls. high up above the
door and bust, rs is often seen in the
English palaces and even in some OF
the better houses in New York.
Your objection to the tinkling of
the footballs is far more pointed and in
the course of composition occurred so
forciby TO myself that | hcsitated to
use the term. | finally used ii, because
| saw that ii had, in its first concep-
tion, been suggested to my mind by the
sense of the supernatural with which
it was at the moment filled. No human
or physical foot could tinl,le on a soft
carpet-therefore the tinkling of feet
would wildly convey the supernatural
impression.
"HOur appreciation of The Sleeper
delights me. In higher qualities OF
poetry it is better than The Raven,
but there Is not one man in million
who could be brought to agree with me
in this opinion. The Raven of course.
is far the better as work Of art-but
in the true basis of all art The Sleeper
is the superior. wrote the latter when
quite boy"
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
Talent Tidings

Miss Alice Vandersluis, Talent cor
respondent, is authorized to repre-
sent the Tidings in all business rela-
tions in this field. Headquarters,
Vandersluis C Burgan store.
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
Resu|t-Getting Classified Columns


~ i0- '"0o ""'ine nouses lor rehC Vi
~ " 'O" anu 0"' Pou'iS' s'ocA anu
Uaue reach the buyer and seller med
iture. ~ 4 ~ N 'Ho" ioi Sni"i eApenu
Co.. oailed Rates One
o thereafter
ent inserted Tor less than 25
except 10 parties having ledger wi the oHc
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

Professor Elwood of the University
of Missouri advocates indeterminate
sentences of children to attend school
instead of the compulsory school law
fixing a definite age.
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
MISCELLANEOUS

AUTO LlVERY-Floyd Dickey. Tel
ephone 342-Y. 81
WANTED-Carpets to clean. w. w.
Eastlick, 626 b street. 97-St"
BILL POSTER-Win stennett- 116
Factory st. Bill posting and dis
tributing. 54-tf
FOR CITY CARRIAGE AND GAR
DEN FLOWING see z. n. Smith,
l24 Morton st. Phone 464-J. 2tf
PINE TIMBER CLAIM WANTED
In exchange for four corner lots
5OX2OO each. Close in. All in
bearing fruit. Modern house, barn
and other necessary buildings. I'm
incumbered. Box 492, Roseburg,
Ore. 1O1-4t"
7. w. HILL has taken the manage
ment of the Oregon Nursery Com
pany's business in Jackson and
Josephine counties Will be pleased
to have the patronage of those who
will need anything in our line. Am
introducing the Franquette Vroo-
man strain walnuts that do not
blossom until May and bear heavily
at four years of age. 101-1mo.
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
Breaking II Gently.

Little Floyd-Why don't you kill that
old hen, Mr.. Nelghbors? Mr.. Neighbors
What old hen do you mean my boy?
Little Floyd-The one that pecks you
all the time. ! heard mother say you
had been henpecked ever since you got
married. Chicago News.
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

Many people are urging the gov
ernment to start training school
for diplomats, although heretofore
the ward caucuses have always been
supposed to provide all needed candi-
dates.
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
A Fond Mother.

Called to the bedside of fond moth
er's baby boy, the doctor diagnosed the
ailment as acute rheumatism. The
mother responded quickly:
Acute rheumatism. might have
known 1t; everything he does or says Is
just as Philadelphia Ledger.
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

The dancing teachers did not de-
eide that the tango is too complicated
for the ballroom until after they had
collected their fees for the winters
lessons.
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
The Tidings for artistic printing
Fire Alarm System.

We print below the city fire alarm
signals. Readers of the Tidings are
urged to cut out this slip and paste
n in the telephone directory or In
some other conspicuous place. A re-
print of the signals will appear from
time to time in this paper:
a a g. O. d @ @ O @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ g
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
Forewarned.

CallerAWill yor see IL your sister Is
in? Susie-Yes. sir. but | don't think
she will be. She saw you coming up
the steps. Albany journal.
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

The administration cannot change
its mind so fast that Senator Stone
cannot keep up with It.
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
TALENT s. p. TRAIN SCHEDULE
Northbound.

NO. ii ..............,. 8:12 am.
Grants Pass motor. ..... 1O:O5 am.
Grants Pass motor. -. 4:O6 pm
No. 16 ................ 5:02 pm.
Southbound.
Grants Pass motor. -. 1858 am.
Grants Pass motor. ..... $3.50 pm.
No. 10 ................ 4:25 pm.
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

FOR SALE-A few Jersey cows, just
fresh, all young. Phone 262-L.
+. w. Moore. 93-tf
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
CITY FIRE ALARM SYSTEM.

Fire Chief, phone 66.
Chief of Police, phone 160.
Residente, phone 4lO-J.
2-6 Bells
Cor. Main and Winner streets.
% Bells
City Hall.
3-5 Bells.
Cor. Granite and Nutley streets.
4-6 Bells
Cor. Main and Gresham streets.
5-3 Bells
Cor. Iowa and Fairview streets.
0-4 Bells
Cor. Fourth and A streets.
7-3 Bells
Cor. Sixth and G streets.
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

FOR SALE-Good gentle pony with
two-seated buggy. good harness,
saddle and bride. Inquire 316
Hargadine. 95-tt
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

FOR SALE-Small business, suitable
for lady. For particulars address
p. o. Box 296, Ashland. 102-3t
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

FOR SALE-A modern bungalow in
good residence district. For par
ticulars address l.. NJ, care It'd
ings. 97-tf
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

debaker top buggy. Z. L. Rasor.
103-4t
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

FOR SALE-A good work horse,
about 1900 pounds. Works single
or double; saddle broke. Inquire
447 Walnut st. 1O2-3t"
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

FOR SALE-Horse, broke to work
and drive double and single, good
gait, weight 1000. c. G. Bush,
r. r. /, Ashland. 102-3t"
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
FOR SALE.

FOR SALE-Good secondhand bug
gy. Phone 465-J. 103-9t
FOR SALE-Mosler safe, SO. Phone
204. Room ), Mills building.
97-1mo.
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25
MUSIC AND ART.

SINGING-Vocal technique, tone
placing, artistic singing. Mr.. Mac
Murray, Director of Music, Pres
byterian church. Box "a. 30-tf
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

FOR SALE OR TRADE-One full
blood Poland China boar two years
old, weight 400 pounds. Phone j.
B. Hunter, 10-F-F, Ashland. 99-tf
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

FOR SALE-Brown Leghorn eggs for
Matching, Pullett strain, finest in
Southern Oregon. 81 for 10 eggs
Address T. j. Greer, 147 Church
ST Ashland. Ore. 93-tf
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

AUTO LIVERY-Floyd Dickey. Tel
ephone 342-Y. 81
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

THE PALM CAFE opens for business
Saturday, May 23. Fresh fish, oys-
ters, crabs direct from Seattle
every day. sold to family trade.
Fourth and b SITS. 102-1mo."
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

MAKE OFFER for 60 acres about
seven miles from Ashland, de-
scribed as S. e. quarter of the n.
w. quarter and the n: half OF the
S. w. quarter of the N. E. quarter
section "a, township 3S south,
range 2 east, Willamette Meridian.
Address Jerome Cratic, 423 Doug
las Bldg. Los Angeles, Cal. 1O2-St
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

FOR SALE-Hambleto driving
mare, rubber-tired buggy and har-
ness. Mare drives single or double
and is saddle broke. See II. U.
Frohbach, SO Bush ST. 1O1-4t
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

FOR SALE-One brown horse,
weight between LOO and l,2OO
lbs; good saddle horse; will also
work double. c. F. Shepherd,
piano dealer, 65S Boulevard. S4-tf
Ashland tidings. [volume] (Ashland, Or.) 1876-1919, 1914-05-25

FOR SALE-The Tidings has an ad-
vertising contract with the Port
land Hotel whereby we have to
take part in trade. Anyone going
TO Portland to stay for day or
longer can save Is per cent on
their hotel bill by applying to the
TidingS
Evening star., 1914-04-13
Odd Ways of Telling Time.

/ A. clock or watch was about as rare
| in Turkey fifty Years ago as an aero
| plane is in America today. Even at the
present time III the smaller cities and
villages the house with a timepiece in it
I is unusual. for a clock or watch is con-
sidered luxurious convenience to be in
I dulSed in only by few of the Weather
\ class.
! Nature is the clock of that land a
most reliable clock, which never stops or
| fails to serve its purpose. Should you in
i u,iire the time there you would be re-
ferred to the crow of the cock, the sun,
or the condition of the cats eye.
The cock crows regularly morning. fore
noon, noon. afternoon and evening. Some
times he crows at irregular periods Woe
| unto him, For superstition demands that
| his head be chopped off. demand which
is complied with without delay. for to
| tolerate an iil-croWing cock is to bring
nad luck according TO native super
! Stition.
/ One of the methods they have OF telling
time by the sun is the following: They
hold their thumbs touching one another
! horizontally, and extend the forefingers
up perpendicularly. Then they divide the
| thumb and forefnger of each hand into
six parts nominal hour points, one hand
representing the morning and the other
being l. o'clock. the tip Of one forefnger
representing 6 o'clock in the morning and
the tip of the other 6 O'Clock i'll the after
noon by holding the hands in the de
scribed position toward the sun the
shadow cast by one forehnger upon the
other will point to the correct time, as
judged by the hours noininaly marked in
mind. The hour divisions may be divided
, into additional parts, as the quarter
hours.
To tell the time by the cats eye sounds
at first humorous. but it can be done The
average person perhaps is not aware that
the shape of the cats eye undergoeS
changes during the day In the mornin g
ually 1t narrows until noon, when only
| narrow streak is left. AS the day pro
crosses it resumes its norma! shape. be-
coming oval about 3 o'clock in the after
| noon. In Turkey it is common for the old
| folks to call the cat to their sides in
/ order to ascertain the time.
Evening star., 1914-04-13
FOREIGN FASHIONS
FOR AMERICANS
BY LILLIAN E. YOUNG.

Special Correspondence Of The Star.
CANNES, April 1. 1911.
The toilet certainly attains the height of
its splendor i'll the evening. and. since
fashionables must have their evening en-
tcrtainmeutS. maiJy concerts and music
ais are III full swing along the Riviera.
The hotels, casinos aud pariiious dc danse
are festive With brilliant groups uf uni
formed officers and handsomely goNncd
women.
First of ali. there are the magnificent
NEUTRALITY-SUSPICIOUS. tules and chiffonS.
satins with the sheen Of mother pearl.
soft. ridcsceut VelourS. diaphanous Iaccs
and beaded nets. All these are the theme
on which innumcrablc variations of fash
ion MAY lie played
\ great deal Of yellow is seen. rang
ing IN AL shades from laalcst lemon TO the
rich topaz and gold tones. The gown
here illustrated is OF bruchc charmt use in
one OF the lattcr ColoringS. with Il cas-
cad" cursaSc of pure white shadow lace
aud an odd high rCinturc of violet velour.
The lace corsagc drapery is hung di-
rectiy down the back from cither Shout
der. being just caught in at the center by
Knot Of the violet velour, and hangs
in a point below the hip line.
The skirt is a marvel III dlapery and
battles description. 1t is in three sections,
the first and largest being that which
forms the entire left side hung in folds
under the hip and finished down the cen
ter front and back with box fold round
ed away al the foot. Tile second is the
pouched half-tunic which covers the right
side. gathered at the waist and describ
Evening star., 1914-04-13

pressed yeast. and stir in a gill and a
half OF tepid milk. Make well in the
flour. and strain i'll the yeast and milk,
mixing as if for batter. Cover .thS basin
with cloth and set it by the fire for
half an hour or SO, till it is covered with
bubbles.
Meanwhile put two breakfast cups of
-four in third basin and rub into il four
ounces of butter. Add tn, &c ounces of
currants or sutanas picked and washed.
two ounces Of candicd peel cut fairly
small. three tablespoonfuls of confection-
ers' sugar and about half i teaspoonful
of mixed ground spice. and mix all well
together. Then yradufllS beat these dry
ingredients into the -four and yeast using
the hand. and adding tcpid milk re
qlired till the dough is of the right con-
sistence, thick and ropS, but not crumbly.
Cover the basin again. set II IN warm
place for an hour and a half. when the
dough should have risen to twice the.oriS-
inal size
Flour tho hands, make the dough into
small or larger balls, according 10 the
size required, put these on creased tin,
well apart set them in warm place for
twenty minutes to rise and then bake
in quick oven for twenty minutes or so,
till well Drowned. Brush them over with
beaten egg and strew with confectioners'
sugar.
Evening star., 1914-04-13
Household Hints.

II eggs are placed in hot water FOR
f,.u seconds before breaking the whites
viii separate from the yolks very eas,l3--
They must DC cooled before whipping up
the whites.
The cook will find il a convenience %
have a belt fastened around the ~aisi
To each side front of this belt is fastened
a strip that reaches to the knees. On tie
end of each strip is fastened quilteu
holder.
In testing the oven for cake baking
remember that greater heat is required
for a cake baked in layers than for 4
single loaf
TO prevent onions from sprouting, let
the onions dry. heat poker rcd hot an'i
with it SINCE the roots. Put in dry
place and you will find they will keep
perfectly.
Creamed cauif1owcr served in green
shells makes dish tasty il is sal
iSfyiRg to the eye.
Tomatoes filled with minced pineapple.
celery and chopped nuts mixed with may!
onnaise make a delicious salad.
egg.
Evening star., 1914-04-13
BY ANNE RITTENHoUSE.
Correspondence Of Tic s-a-.

Special Correspondence Of The Sts-.
PARIS. ApriI l. 1911.
II did not take long ror lacquered rib
bon To lind a place for Itself in the world
of every day clothes. The expensive milli-
ncrs are fighting shy Of il. now that it
can be bought anywhere. But this does
not concern the woman vino likes a nov
city and does not object TO it because her
ncighoor also li:.es il.
Its usc by some of the expensive houses.
although they admit that the ribbon is
popular. does not lessen the price of the
hat. One has learned this lesson very
we'll by the year l"lt: that the iHcre ase
Or decrease of cost OF material u.
labor or tariff has no @ffect on the
prize put non merchandise by established
hrnls. it has a strong effect on the val
uadon put upon articles turned out by
unknown firms. and that is why dozens
OF women go to copyists instead of to the
inventors of new ideas.
This proceeding is debatable economy,
because the copyjsts 30 not seem 10 turn
o1t the same kind OF workmanship. Ever
= il u vut together strongly. il does not
keep its SHape. a. a rlIle. This does noi
apply 70 those who work FOR only halt
the price asked by the famous houses
hut TO those who copy ~ great dis
lance
Evening star., 1914-04-13

of gum camphor. The box should be
lined with newspapers dipped in turpen-
tine. Some furriers say that fuIs lose
their color by coming into direct contact
with camphor. SO it is safer to wrap
each piece of camphor in paper and
scatter it literally over them An old
time remedy was also to sprinkle the
furs with cloves and spices. Furs should
be wrapped in muslin and then the box
containing them should be covered with
Il clean cotton cloth 50 that no moths
can enter from without.
Small articles, such as Woolen gloves,
scarfs sweaters, etc. can be more con
vcnieutIy packed away and are more ac-
cessible if they are kept together in one
box. \ tin box is excellent for this pur
pose.
Rugs should be laid fat on the grass
jscc that The ground is perfectly dryJ,
well beaten and then swept Well several
times care being taken to sweep in the
same direction rs the nap runs. After
they have been aired they should hc thor
oughiy sprnkled with either gasoline,
mixed with crushed camphor. or with a
quantity of turpentinc- over the rugs
spread newspapers or chccsc cloth and
roll them upon wooden roller. then
wrap them again in newspapers and cot
ton cloths and they are ready to defy
the ravages OF tue moth.
Evening star., 1914-04-13
French Pancakes.

French pancakes can he made the eN-
cuse for using some of last years sur
plus jelly or preserves. Make batter Of
two cups of milk. two eggs. one table
spoonful of sugar. a tablespoonful of
baking powder. one cup of -four. pinch
of salt and a cup of cream. or another
Of milk. Grease large frying pan and
pour half a cup Of tho batter over it in a
thin sheet. Cook it through on both
sides and then spread it with any sort of
preserve or Jelly. roll it and sprinkle it
with powdered sugar. Serve hot.
Evening star., 1914-04-13
Pompadour Embroidery.

The newest lingerie trimming is Pom
padour embroidery. worked on lawn or
| Fcambric; spriss Of tiny fiowerets worked
in faint old blue. pink and mauve, with
green leaves. Shown in all sorts of
widths, either for bordering or inser-
ton. are charming trimmings of soft
muslin. with embroidered spots and bat
! tlement edge worked with black or a pale
tint on white. There also are the little
killed frllings in all fashionable colors.
Some wonderful little handkerchiefs of
Indian muslin, very fine and soft with
Evening star., 1914-04-13
Savinu the China.

A Washington housewife, with an eye
to preserving her dishes from destruc-
ton, has devised a simple bumper to put
about the faucet. SO that dishes coming
in contact with it in the sink Will be un-
injured.
She took heel from an old rubber
boot, cut a hole of the proper size in it
with A chiscl and hammer. and put it
around the end of the faucet: and now
dishes and delicate glass tumblerS can be
knocked against it With perfect impunity.
Winding a piece of rubber from an old
rubber shoe around the faucet and tying
il there would be just as effective.