The Detroit times., 1914-10-23

exact words--it was two years ago
I'VE talked about various angles Of
the case and he told me how he had
beeneicd 10 make confession by the
pleadings OF hts relatives and friends.
to purge himself of his part In the az
fair. and that he intended to live q
clean life from then on.
Then | asked him II he had been
promised immunity and he said no.
but that In view of the fact that no
had made the confession he was In
hope OF some reward after the trial
was over"
"Did you see Gilman after the ar,
restg"
YES, two or three times"
did you urge him TO make state
ment or confession"
well. / was after news. the same
as the other fellows, and thought II
he made a confession IL would be a
nice little story for the paper, SO l
tried to prevail on him 10 make one.
Mr.. Green had told ME-
Mr.. Frazer objected and was sus-
ltained ...
"Hunt continued: II told Mr.. Gin
nan the best thing that he could do
would be to make a clean breast OF
the entire affair and that by doing
that people would thilk little different
OF him than before; that they would
admire him for mis- bravery. and II
would be the quickest way for him TO
get on his feet again. . He told me
that he had no confession TO make.
that he didn't feel that he was guilty
lor had done anything wrong. and that
under the circumstances he said Rhe
would refuse TO make any further
statement
Prosecutor Frazer asked II this con-
versation took place before Gilman
hired an attorney.
THAT would be pretty hard for me
to say. II was within q month after
the arrest" said Hunt. He said he
published part of his conversation
with Gilman, stating Glinnan's refu-
sal to make a statement because he
wasn't guilty.
viii you produce the fles to show
when you printed that statement"
| II won't say whether or not ! print
ed e." said Hunt. but he promised to
hunt up the files and ind out what he
did print.
"Did he tell you that the money
was put in his pockets"
! "No."
did he say he, didn't know he had
Iite"
| NO
simply said he did not feel that he
was guilty.
Words to that effect"
! Didn't he say, This 10 an outrage
on me: I never took the money In any
form: IL was put upon me-"
i Objection To this question was sus-
tanned.
"schreiter spoke to you In con-
lfidence-strict confidencey'
/ There's only one kind OF conf
dence and that's q strict one,' retort-
ed the witness.
'Schreiter told you that he expect
ed some rewardY 4
That's the sense Of IL"
Print TT"
mo"
Whom did you tell IL tor"
Mr.. Scallon: he came down to see
me couple days ago."
$50 you revealed the confidence to
the attorney OF the other slider"
Certainly not: I simply told him
that had had a conversation with
Schreiter"
"How did McNamara know that il
was expected immunity"
| Il don't know"
Hunt was then excused and e. q.
Pipp. managing editor Of the Detroit
News. was called.
Are you acquainted with Aid.
lGIinnan?" asked McNamara.
"Yes. sir; have known him for
several years"
Pipp testified to a talk he had with
Gilman early In May, 1912, In the
News once.
| I'VE had quite lengthy converse
tion.", he said. II had understood
that Mr.. Gilman was opposed to the
Wabash petitions. ! had been asked
by Homer Warren and other mem
bers OF the Board OF Commerce to
support the petitions. wanted to
find out about them. / asked Mr..
Gilman his objection, and he said
something about street in his ward,
think, being closed. ! talked with
Mr.. Gilman about the necessity for
more freight facilities. talked to
him about the possible use OF money
In connection with the petitions.
told him we would watch closely and
expose II II such was found to be the
case"
Are you acquainted with Charles
Jasnowski, assistant prosecuting at.
torney?" was McNamara's next ques-
ton.
Pipp said he was, and then testified
to conversation he had with Jas
nowski In April, 1914, regarding Pros
ecutor Hugh Shepherd.
did he say Shepherd criticized
the questions he was asking the jur-
ors because he (Shepherd) did not
want to get q jury?".
Yes, sir; something along that
line
| HE made a statement to that ef-
feet to you did he not!" ~
| Objection made by Frazer who
argued that Jasnowski had not been
Intercepted on that point on the wit
ness stand. Another recess was taken
while Stenographer Giefel looked up
Jasnowsd's testimony.
Mr.. Giefel read the testimony Of
Oct. s In which Jssnowski, on the
witness stand. stated that he did not
recollect having a conversation with
Mr.. Pfpp on or prior TO April IL, re-
lating 10 the Gilman case.
The Judge held that the converse
ton Pipp and Jasnowsli had relating
10 the examination Of jurors was Inn
material Mcnamara then showed