The evening world. [volume] (New York, N.Y.) 1887-1931, 1914-05-13

anu not Hr1081o W0ODeP1 ~ 00n
remember that 6aid anything q the
sort. wouldn't swear that did or
did not.
| a. do you know q sangster called
Kid Irish? A. I have heard Of him.
q. How long have you known Harry
! Pollok? A. I don't remember being
| In business with him.
Q. Haven't YOU sworn that you
were7 A. You mean In the amlavlt
q. Don't nsh! Haven't you sworn
to 1t At one Of these trials. A. I don't
remember.
oaDId you swear to this aadavitf
This Wa. the af,davit which Rose
made for Hart. Becker's lawyer. COW
ering up the Beckersitosenthal mort
gage transaction.
Q. You swore to that, raising your
right hand7 A. I did.
AFFioAviTs OF ROSE READ 40
EVIDENCE.
Mr.. Manton then Rad the afYidAvit
which dealt with moneys, amounting
to $4,000 or 5000 which Rose alleeed
he had paid to the gambler. The
maker Of the afYidaWt also claimed
that he had given the $500 loan on
tho chattel mortgage on Rosenthal's
Further IL stated that Becker had no
connection whatever With Rossuthals
resort. Also Il set forth that Rose
had judgments aGAanst him.
q. Didn't you swear At the last trial
that you owed no debt or judgments?
A. don't know that I did.
| q. You went into bankruptcy In
1913? A. Yes.
q. 6ince your last trial, during your
period Of reformation. did You write
this? (Reading an article regarding .
raid arranged by Policemen Cody and
Murphy on the Hester Club, and Roe-
ing to Mayor 0aynor Of them Is
grafters.) A. Yes.
@. 30 that IL what you meant when
you said in the first afndavft that Roe-
snthal threatened 10 AZ Becker a. he
had hxsd Cody and Murphy7 A. Yea
@. Do you remember the day you
were arrested7 A. The day surrsn-
q. CAN it what you liks-you got
into jail? A. Yes.
Q. You summoned James n. sulli-
van A. your iawysrf A. Yes.
| @. You know he was Shapiro's law
Q. And Krause's lawyer? A. I have
read %.
Q. Don't you know Il? A. No.
| Q. Did you see WALTON and Weber
In tho counsel room at any time?
A. Yes. whom the lawyers came to
see US. Ny counsel came TO see me
every day.
Rose added sratuitousiy that the
lawyers came TO sec the prisoners
when they were all In the West Fifty
fourth street prison.
i ia
Manton said. cheerfully.
HAD MORE LIBERTY At WEST
SIDE PRISON.
| Q. How many times were you and
Vallon and Schepps and Webber In
the District-Attorney's once? A.
don't remember exactly.
| Q. After that YOU were all put on
the same tier In the Tombs? A. Yes.
| Q. When you went to the West side
prison you had more liberty, didn't
Q. Were you locked up At night?
A. At first. After we had been there
two weeks we were not locked up.
We had the liberty Of the corridors.
q. You vera free to talk together?
A. II we wanted to.
Q.Did you talk? A. Yes.
RosEs iNTEREST IN FATE OF
GAM scHEPPs.
Hot Springs. Ark. which the witness
said he ordered written" was then
put In evidence. This II tho letter In
which Rose advised Schepps to get
In before II 10 too late" and to come
on to New York In care Of q repre-
sentative Of the istrict-Attorney's
office. thus avoiding interference by
the police and a possible third degree.
| .. So before you made a confession
about this murder you wanted to get
your friend Schepps In 1t. too? a.
negotiations with tho District-Attor-
ney.
| q. You knew Schspps had taken a
leading part in the murder with you?
A. We had no part In the murder.
| Q. What did you mean by telling In
the letter that he hadn't a chance
in the world unless he came in? A.
Well. Schepps had gone to Becker's
house with message and had
brought one back. and he went up
town to get the gunner and brought
them back to get their pay. He
knew all about everything.
q. And Is that the only explanation
you have for writing that to Schepps?
A. Yes.
The letter besought Schepps to turn
states evidence a. his only means OF
escape.
The letter OF Schepps in reply to
Rose was read 1t 10 the one In
which Schepps said he refused to tell
"a few lies" and take on himself the
responsibility OF having paid $1,000 TO
IL. L." Qefty Louie), Schepps said
he must engage to tell the trick or
/ wuxA ~
put In writing for him,
@. Did Mr.. whitman. Mr.. Rubin
and Al Thomas gdbdo tho West Side
prison soon after Schepps arrived?
A. Yes. he talked with Mr.. Whitman.
I didn't talk to him until we started
for the grand jury the next day.
| O. Didn't he come to your cell and
shake hands? A. Yes.
| Q. And did Mr.. Whitman go TO the
counsel room with Schepps? A. Yes
| Q. Didn't keeper come and let
| yo, out1 Didn't von 0o into the