The Detroit times., 1914-09-17

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Objection was made to this ques-
ton by the prosecutor The judge
held this to be a memory test and
quoted an authority before allowing
the witness to answer the question.
II did not receive the $1,000 from
Mayor Thompson. Mr.. Green mailed II
to me after the first meeting. I think"
was the answer.
The witness could not recall the
dates Of subsequent meetings with
Mayor Thompson and others. He re-
ferred Attorney McNamara to "Bren-
mans" reports for exact dates. the re-
ports being In Chicago he said. Wit
ness said he was unaware that q copy
of the reports was In the prosecutors
ONCE.
In answer to repeated questions the
witness said he could not recall tell
ing Brennan" that he had secured
the consent Of the Wabash sometime
around June !.
did Mr.. Green In one Of these
meetings discuss with you his candi-
dacy for mayor"
HE told me they wanted him to
run, but that he would not be q can
didate. No others talked to me about
that"
In the third meeting. Brennan. Van
Dyke, Green and Mayor Thompson
were present with Burns. Five or SIX
such meetings were held before the
arrest OF the aldermen. said the wit
ness In these meetings Burns said
he did not think the progress OF the
I'm waftnu u,ao Atonua.oI
What did you talk about?"
1--WE talked about an ONCE In the
Ford building. Also was not salts
fed with Mr.. Brennan's early progress
In the case and outlined an entirely
different way OF doing It 30 az to Sc
cure results. Mr.. Brennan added what
he saw At In carrying out the plan.
The method Of doing the work was
up to Mr.. Brennan"
The witness said he instructed
Brennan to take up with aldermen leg
islation on the Wabash matter.
did you tell him to OFFER certain
alderman money for his voter"
II told him to test them all"
"As q bribef"
"No. TO test their honesty"
But you intended to give It to
them?"
Yes"
Then is not that bribe!"
"No."
Nov, want to test your cad., of
morals. II you solicit an alderman
to take money. don't you consider
that bribe?"
"No"
Both witness and attorney showed
q little heat during this battle of wits
tors objection. The defense insisted
the witness answer to be important.
Burns asked permission to explain.
but Attorney Mcnamara cut him
short.
I'VE did not intend to let them
have the money II we could get II
back" Burns Insisted on saying.
Then you think II proper and legit-
innate In your profession to solicit
and offer a man money!" asked Nc
Namara.
Under certain conditions" dashed
the witness.
Then followed q verbal passage
participated In by Burns. the prose-
cutor and the attorney for the de.
Ifense. that called for the interven-
ton OF the court. Burns was unable
to get additional explanations" into
the record.
you instructed Mr.. Brennan to
o6er Gilman money for his voter"
NO"
"Then II he did that he acted with
out authority from your
Eyes,"
did you authorize Brennan to Of.
fer money to aldermen who were In
favor Of the petition?"
Amy aldermen that wanted II could
get IT," was the answer.
There was q time reached when
some money had to be used In carry
Ing out your plant"
eyes"
"In what meeting did you tell your
clients that you needed money!
Witness said he did not remember.
He explained that Brennan may have
attended TO that detail. He remom-
bered saying In the FIRST meeting that
It would be necessary TO have money
to carry out the plan. Burns was
nettled by McNamara's persistent at
tempts to get admissions concerning
the money and snarled out several an
swers.
II can tell you what was going on
all the time. but cannot recall spe-
cihc dates" said the Witness.
Did you on April II give Brennan
instructions to discontinue his inves-
ugation?"
II may have"
Don't you know?"
mo. had other matters far more
important than this investigation on
my mind"
do you remember getting reports
after April l77'
"Yes."
He could not recollect being In De-
troit on that day, but he said that he
may have had Q conversation here
with Brennan about that time regard
ing the use Of the Wabash a cover.
How long after the once was
opened In the Ford building did you
come to Detroit?"
Cant say positively"
Again the witness said he was not
positive as to any dates except that
Of July re. when the aldermen were
arrested.
when did you see Mr.. Thompson
prior to the arrests on July 26?"
Cant say; saw vanDyke that
morning. think"
Who told you to conner"
"Mr. Brennan, I think"
Witness said he talked with Mr..
Green either on July rs or the day
before about having the prosecuting