New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1914-01-25
SAYS "LORIMEU,
THEN HORNETS nj
Mr.. Brisbane's Mention Il
DepOsed Senator Star"
Speakers Rumpus.
IMPEACHMENT CRIME,
SAYS LESLIE M, SHAW
Chauncey NJ. Depew Joins In a.,
Explains His Vote Original
Topic, Peoples Rights

discussion ~ "Encroachmen,s -
the Rights Of the People" led som.
nent speakers al the Republican Gin.
terday afternoon 20 touch upon snh.-
ranging from the initiative and -.
endum 10 the busting Of Senator rn,-
Arthur Brisbane started the ru-.
over LOrimer. Leslie VI. Shaw. To-.
Secretary Of the Treasury. had ha =,
the assemblage how much he would -
N take time enough 10 express hjs 49,.
ion Of the slandering q public men.
Would you be less honest. my tr.,,.
said he. addressing Mr.. Brisbane ac,.
the table. ~ you were elected 10 s,,s.
office? No. You would be more ho,.,.
How about the Lorimers?" asked a,
bane.
IT think Lorimers impeachmer, ~,
the crime Of the century" retort.a v,
Shaw. That was an example Of ran
paper government The junior s.u.,,
from my state said 10 me: I know 70,
well that Senator Lorimer Is not rr,,
but must vote against him. The p4,,,.
demand IT."
And ex-senator Chauncey N. D.pev.
serene in mis- old age as Andrew Gamer,
turned a little pink with emotion VS.,
the subject OF I>orimer occurred To Mn.
That il the one thing that mako \.
mad" said he. II didn't like Lonr~
My whole information about him. all ,sr
sort OF absorption Of a man you get, ma.
him repellant 10 me. But the quessn
before the Senate was whether be w
guilty OF charges originally brocrs
against him by The Chicago Trbrs
On the testimony I didn't think ccrg
vote to expel him. 70 ruin him for llfs d.
though I knew the people Of my sx.
wanted IL.
II went over 10 an old Senator who M
CRYING like baby and I said: Senate
this is a most distressing occasion. I cs-f
honestly vote 10 expel this man on d.
evidence. And he said 70 me: Neiths
can 7. but the folks our our way vaatk
and I suppose I shall have to Civ. Il b
them
IL have no respect for such Senator
for such man. would hate to have
him on jury that was trying me for ny
life. while the mob outside was crying
Cruelty him. Cruelty him"
The subject Of the afternoon was Dealt
with from the points OF view Of the cor
sentative. the liberal and the radical
Senator L. Y. Sherman, Of Illinois whs
opened the afternoons debate LABELED
himself the liberal. or moderate" Nr
Shaw told the audience he was cOnsers
tive. "a 'stand-patter' II YOU like And
Arthur Brisbane. without characterizU
his position. left no doubt in the minds &
his hearers that ne represented the e.
treme radical wing.
THE fathers planned the best ne
could" said Mr.. Shaw. that the ~
should not rule. but should choose nsi
rulers. While We admit that Il uss
training and aptitude and environment 70
make a law practitioner, we say L only
takes a certificate OF election TO MAKE
lawmaker. IL takes even less-lt uks
only the initiative and the referendum"
Senator Sherman favored the initiative
and referendum II they were invoked ooF
10 settle primary and vital questions
and II the petitions in the case oil 10
initiative were signed by large pereen''
age OF the electorate. He denounced w
recall OF judges.
Mr.. Brisbane said: Give the people a.
opportunity TO make mistakes.
Senator Sherman, by the way sac >
would vote to confirm Pindell. OF feo'h
and ex-senator Depew said he loosa
with complacency upon Nr. Pindelfs nt
sion 10 st. Petersburg, because ne nous
Mr.. Pindell would learn something 'ne.
and he favored the education OF c'u'"
at the public's expense.