New-York tribune., 1914-10-22
SAYS MRS. CARMAN
BURNED LETTERS
Continued from page !

"she said: Il shot him She showed
me a revolver. Il was dark LOOKING
revolver.
"I took hold of her arm; she mad
started for the pantry door which
opens into the doctors office. | told
her not to 20 into the office. She said
she wasn't going to do anything more.
But she went into the doctors ONCE. L
went in after her and l saw DR.. Car
man there.
"Mrs. Carman stayed in there about
q minute and then went out through
the waiting room. ! went back into the
Office and there was Mrs. Powell in
there and DR.. Carman and short gen
tieman. The body of lady was on the
floor near the operating chair.
Mrs. Carman came TO my room the
next morning. II was early. / used
TO get up at $3.50 every morning, but
il was earlier than that. Mrs. Carmsn
had on a nightgown.
"'Oh, Celia she said, what did |
kill that woman for?" She was a
stranger to me. God will forgive mel
~ said, God will forgive everything
except self-murder.' Then she said, IF
al bHluE hhpPtho " sNNt
take care OF your little boy.
What happened after that?"
"She came down to the breakfast ia
Bile and cried. After breakfast she
came into the kitchen, and told me not
to tell any one she was downstairs al
ter dinner that night.
"Mr. Levy George NJ. Levy, OF Mrs.
Carman's counseD came in the next
day and the day after. Mrs. Carman
told me he would be in, and she told
me to say, if Mr.. Levy asked me, that
she was not downstairs on the night OF
the shooting. Mr.. Levy wrote out a
statement and read it TO me, but l
didn't read il. Then | signed It..
Mrs. Carman had leaned just tritie
forward, and a stern rigidity had come
into her face. Her steady hands re-
mained in her lap. Her eyes were very
wide open. The other persons IN the
courtroom-even little Elizabeth Car
man-were half out Of their seats
gripped by the negro girls answering
testimony.
"What did Mrs. Carmsn do the day
following the murder2
"She came into the kitchen and told
me TO build fire. She said she wanted
to burn some letters. She put them in
the flames, and stood over them until
they had all burned up
"Did Mrs. Carman say anything to
you about her father"
"Yes; she told me | was to see her
father (Platt Conklin). She said she
wanted 10 have him get a revolver out
of the house.
81 saw her father and he came. I
afterward saw him going down the
stairs. He had hammer. He went
out to the barn"
Some time after the shooting the
District Attorneys men tried to find
the revolver in the barn, bpt were
unsuccessful.
Celia, concluding her testimony on
direct examination, said that District
Attorney Smith mad interviewed heI
the day following the tragedy, but
she did not tell him that Mrs. Carman
had been downstairs after the shoot
ing.
On ross-examination Celia told Mr
Graham she was very fond of Mrs
Carman and that she did not think
Mrs. Carman's remark, "Pll take care
of your boy If anything happens tc
you" was peculiar.
Didn't you think her dress was eX
traordinary for such a warm night"
81 had never seen her down stairs IL
kmono before"
When Mrs. Carman first entered the
/ kitchen that night Celia said she didn't
/ know she was going out. Almost i'm
mediately after Mrs. Carman LETT Celia
heard the crash aud the shot, and "al
most Immediately after that" Mrs. Car
man re-entered the kitchen.
"Did you know what she meant wher
she said, 4 have shot him'?"
"No, sir"
She did not think Mrs. Carman mean
the doctor; she didn't know who haC
been shot, and she said she tried tC
stop Mrs. Carman going into tn,
physicians Office for fear she'd shoe
again.
him with a woman"
mo"
Says Woman Hid Pistol.
When Mrs. Carman went into tn,
Office, Celia said she didn't show the
revolver to her husband. She held i
in her right hand. 1t was under he
shawl.
"What else did Mrs. Carman say Il
you when she came into the kitchen
from the yard? ?"
"Just as she showed me the revolver
she said 'Seel'"
Mrs. Carman said nothing to Dr. Car
man about the shooting, and she passeC
no comment when she saw Mrs. Bailey
lying on the floor.
Mrs. Powell, the witness said. came
into the room where the body was. She
wore dark skirt and white waist
Mrs. Powell was asked TO stand up by
Mr.. Graham. Celia identified her.
"Are you sure that Mrs. Carman sale
to you no more than you have told US p
swell, before she told OF shooting
any one, she said to me: Don't tell any
one about it,
Graham tried 10 get Celia TO say that
she thought DR.. Carman was the him
Mrs. Carman referred 20, but Celia lie.
peatedly replied that she didn't think
anything about the probable identity e
the victim at the time.
There was no change in Mrs. Car.
mans attitude or facial expression
until Graham turned to a discussion Of
perjury.
"Do you think you will be forgiven
il you commit perjury" he asked
"Yes; but I'm not committing perjury
now"
Celia, asked how many times she had
| committed perjury, said that she had
/ been guilty of IL once-at the Coroner's
/ hearing. That was the only time she
| had not told the truth under oath
| When she signed the statement drawn
I'D by Levy she was not asked 10 swear
/ 10 IL, she said. She admitted lying 10
Mr.. Smith lust after the shooting.