The Detroit times., 1914-10-21

i years old. would perjure himself on
the witness standf"
This question was excluded by the
court. being matter for the jury TO
decide.
You didn't know Jasnowski and
you didn't have any fights with his
clientsi"
"No."
mo fight with Bert Highf"
"No."
"You don't attribute any hostil-
ity to themf"
| mo"
Frazer then produced exhibit No.
22-the $1,000 alleged To have been
given to Gilman as bribe-and
asked the witness II he could
Identify IL. He said he could not.
In what shape was 1t in your
pocket?"
Doubled" said Gilman. showing
how the money was loosely rolled up.
Felt like tissue paper"
| Yes"
You know how money feelsr"
| Yes"
4 Like tissue paperg'
| when you don't know It's there"
At the request OF the prosecutor.
Gilman and Attorney John p. Seal
Ion again renearsed the scene which
the alderman said took place In
Brennan's Office when he walked out.
unknowingly. with $1,000 in his
pocket. Gilman. playing the part
OF Brennan, showed how the door
was opened.
Gentlemen OF the Jury observe
where his left arm Is" said the
prosecutor. Gilman was wearing
the same blue suit he had ION the day
of his arrest. As he showed how he
opened the door his arm covered
his left outside coat pocket.
You say Brennan slipped the
money In your pocket"
mo. don't say anyone did"
ION May 2S, 1912. did you see
Schreiter and ask him IL there was
anything new on the Wabash dealf"
Objection was made TO the ques-
tion, Mcnamara declaring the prose-
cutor had no right to interrogate
the witness on Brennan's reports
which have been ruled out Frazer
said he was simply using the reports
as memoranda The Judge looked
lup his ruling and then allowed the
Question.
Mcnamara wanted the records 20
show that Frazer read his question
from Brennan's reports and a three
cornered argument ensued
Gilman answered mo"
Did Schreiter say that he knew
OF nothing new. but that he expected
to hear something by tomorrow"
"No."
Frazer attempted to read another
question from Brennan's reports, but
the court halted him. Mcnamara
went over that portion OF the reports
at the request OF the court and stat
ed to Frazer that he had no objec-
ton to the reading OF the portions
marked.
| Reference was made TO q converse
ton that took place between Gin
nan and Brennan on May 81, 1912.
Regarding roundhouse to be locat-
ed In the Eighteenth ward. Gilman
denied that the conversation had
even taken place in the city hall.
Not a word OF the statement
true?"
"No."
+ Frazer read from Brennan's report
OF a conversation which was stated
to have taken place July 8. Gin
nan admitted the truth Of a portion
OF the testimony regarding the con-
lstruction OF q viaduct over Sixth-st.
but denied telling Brennan that
they would meet the boys" at Har-
baugh-ave He denied saying at Har-
baugh-ave. that the full committee
was present with the exception OF
one member.
The witness said he did not tell
Brennan on July 9 that the Wabash
Legislation In 1909 fell through be-
cause OF graft rumors.
did you. tell him there were q lot
Of high-class men In the council that
could not be approached"
/ "No."
did you talk to him about. a let
ter that Schreiter received and that
Theisen reported to your"
| mo"
did you say the letter was writ
ten here and sent to Chicago to be
posted-an anonymous letter."
| mo"
| did you say anything about a let
ter charging that. the aldermen were
being passed some money on this
deal7"
NO"
"On July IL, did you have CONVEX
sation with Brennan n room f09 Ford
building and did Brennan ask you
where all the boys were and did you
answer that they didn't amount 10
anything because yon had the votes? 20
"No."
Gilman denied telling Brennan that
certain aldermen were standing out"
and would have TO be seen"
.Dfd Brennan hand you an Official
card. showing the standing commit
tees?"
mo"
Was the card there?"
Yes, Brennan was holding t."
Frazer read further from the re-
ports.
"Dld you tell him to read OF GER
tain names and mark them down."
NO"
Mcnamara again objected TO the re-
ports. this time on the ground that
Brennan, on the stand. did not testify
10 them
The prosecutor continued:
Didn't he ask you what you thought
he ought to give the other fellows?"
He did not"
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