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The Hattiesburg news. (Hattiesburg, Miss.) 1908-1917, 1914-04-18

'goif Defore Charge OShaughnesGyu
message was received. y
Telephones were brought into play
to catch the President. Meantime
Secretary Bryan and Joseph Tumulty.
the Presidents private secretary,
jumped into a fast automobile and
hurried to the links. The President
got the telephone message and met
Bryan and Tumulty on the road,
where the message was explained to
him. Wilson proceeded in great haste
to the White House, where he wrote
the statement.
An order has been sent to the Pa
cific coast to prepare all ships and
mobilize all the marines. The Han
cock, with 900 marines, has arrived
at Tampico and the force now there
is sufficient to carry out any orders
that may be given. The entire Allan
tic fleet win arrive Tuesday unless put
under a forced draft.
Just what the President will ask
of Congress is not known, but leaders
said congress doubtless will stand by
anything he wants.
The Hattiesburg news. (Hattiesburg, Miss.) 1908-1917, 1914-04-18
War With Mexico Unless Huerta Salutes Tomorrow
= 80 . . . . >>>>>
<NEWs HAPPENINGS
. IN DAYLIGHT.

= The past four days have wit =
, messed the most important devel- .
= opment in the entire history of .
= the Mexican war, and every one .
= of these startling happenings of .
. international Importance has .
= been reported FIRST in the AT .
= TERNOON newspapers. .
= Wednesday, President Wilson .
= started the Atlantic fleet to Mex =
. leo to force Huerta to salute the =
= American flag. This was report .
= ed first in the Wednesday AF- .
. TERNOON newspapers. .
= Thursday, Huerta agreed to sa- .
. lutte the flag provided the United .
= States would return the salute. .
= This was reported first in the .
. AFTERNOON newspapers. .
= Friday Huerta further compli- .
y Gated matters by refusing to sa- .
= lutte unless the salute would be .
= returned gun for gun, condition =
. to which President Wilson re- =
= fused to agree. This was report .
. ed first in the Friday AFTER .
= NOON newspapers. .
. TODAY, President Wilson sets .
= time limit on the Mexican Die .
. tator and announces he will take .
= the matter before Congress. This .
. most important development is Z
= reported first in TODAY'S AT Z
. TERNOON newspapers. 4
= Tomorrow. morning the morn Z
= ing journals will trail along with
= this same story, fourteen hours
= later than the afternoon papers
. Of today. For the past four days
= the morning papers have not car
= ried a single important Mexican
= item that the Afternoon papers
= had not already carried the day I
. before. 4
y The reason is that the .Presi-
= dent, Congress, all the big insti-
= tions and news sources in the 4
= country, work in DAYLIGHT
. and what happens each day is
= flashed by leased wires direct in
= item that the afternoon papers
= offices. 4
- 1t is the same way with the
= Walters-Dunbar trial, and all the
= other big news stories-the after
= noon papers get there first. The
= only kind of stories the morn
= ing papers print first are night I
= murders, joy ride accidents, ban
= quets and other doings of night
= providers.
= The Hattiesburg News is the
= ONLY AFTERNOON paper that 4
= can possibly reach the people Of Z
= Hattiesburg the day it is printed.
= Are you reading THE HATTIES-
= BURG NEWS regularly each eve-
. ming, or are you waiting for the
= morning papers and reading the Z
= news when it is stale and when Z
= all the LIVE FOLKS already Z
= know about It?
<<<<<<>>%> 49, 4
The Hattiesburg news. (Hattiesburg, Miss.) 1908-1917, 1914-04-18
LOTT SAYS BOY DIDN'T
KNOW DUNBAR At FIRST
Judge Pavy Personally Takes Charge
of Crowd Which Forced Court Ad-
journment Yesterday-WaIters Was
Willing for Child to be Examined.
(By Associated PreSs.)


Opelousas, La, April 1S.-The state
today closed it's case in the trial Of
W. c. Walters, after DR.. F. c. Shute
has testified as to the presence of
marks on the real Robert Dunbar and
he and the jury had inspected the foot
of the child which has caused so many
conflicting opinions.
Dr. Shute told of burns the real Rob-
ert received on the foot when young,
distiguring two toes. Each of the
jurors examined the foot carefully.
Julia Anderson says two of her boys
toes had grown together, making a
web foot.
Shute was the only witness for the
state examined. He took the stand
after almost an hours delay, during
, which the presence of the crowd was
discussed by the Judge and attorneys.
Every effort was made to prevent
crowding as yesterday, with some sue
cess.
Within a few minutes the defense
put on its first witness, Deputy Sheriff
Lott, of Columbia, Miss, who testified
the child found with Walters paid no
attention to Dunbar the first time he
saw him there He said Walters ex-
pressed willingness to have the
Dunbars examine the child. He
brought out the fact that Walters was
freed after his first arrest, but re-
mained at Columbia. 49,,
Attorneys Protest Crowds.
When the trial opened, Attorney
Dubuisson for the defense protested
against the crowds in court Thurs
day and Friday and his remarks called
forth statements from Judge Pavy, In
which he said he did all possible to
maintain order and when he COULDN'T
he adjourned court Yesterday. Du-
buisson took an exception on the
Il grounds Of the crowd.
,SSAu eyes were centered on the child
As it was brought into court by Its
krt,tber. Absolute quiet reigned as
kesS Juror closely examined the foot
4 comment was allowed by Judge
III Defense opens Case.
Vbe defense opened its case after q
" conference of attorneys and
III ed building its case on the con
(bn that the child is Bruce Ander
Nv Deputy Lott explained in detail
< scene when Dunbar first saw the
IN, in Mississippi. He said Dunbar
NA the child was the "very image
H& \ kid" but that the child contin
kN\YSIay. He testified Walters told
N Sth's>ad been stopped by persons N.
Sabout the boy and was VIII
s1e the Dunbars see the chic
at be relieved Of this '"'''
Ny took personal charge o
He was in the court room
81 lock. an hour before tint
l3 to begin, and personally
ed arranging the seats
eats we're soon filled witt
ny wearing big hats. Ti3
n sted that the big hats
rued on Page Eight.) .
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The Hattiesburg news. (Hattiesburg, Miss.) 1908-1917, 1914-04-18
THE WEATHER.

. Observation-Disclosures tonight 4
. and Sunday, probably showers, Z
= cooler.
The Hattiesburg news. (Hattiesburg, Miss.) 1908-1917, 1914-04-18
2I MEMBERS ADDED
IMMANuEL CHURCH
REV. euNTER ENDS SERIES OF
sERvlcEs-sAPrism romoR. +
ROW NIGHT. n

Rev. R.. B. Gunter preached the
of his series of sermons at Immanu.
Baptist church last night, using as his
theme THE Sin Against the Holy
Ghost"
There was one addition to the
church. making total of 21 additions
during the five days preaching. Mr..
Gunter returned to his own pas
toral charge at Louisville. Miss. last
night.
Twenty who applied for member.
ship will be received through ordi-
nance of baptism at the close Of the
meeting Sunday night.
Mr.. o'Briant the pastor, says thu.
meeting was the most fruitful q ~
held in his church since its orzuol
ton
The Hattiesburg news. (Hattiesburg, Miss.) 1908-1917, 1914-04-18
THE MARKETS.
(By Associated Press.)

New Orleans, April 1S.-Cotton
closed steady, eight to eleven points
down.
Chicago, April 1S.-Wheat closed
steady, five-eighths to seven-eighths
cents down. Provision unchanged to
ten cents higher.
The Hattiesburg news. (Hattiesburg, Miss.) 1908-1917, 1914-04-18
BEST IN QUARTETTE,
music and SPELLING
Miss Katherine Donald, Of Hatties-
burg; Miss Elizabeth sutterfieId, Of
Brookhaven, and Furness Welsh, Of
Mt. olive, Capture Individual Prizes.

today with pretty girls and clean limb
ed, clear eyed boys from all sections
Of South Mississippi.
They are here representing the
high schools of their respective cities
and towns and are matching their skill
and talent in music, defamation and
athletics.
Gaily colored ribbons, as hat bands
and lapel ornaments, are feature Of
the life on Hattiesburg's thoroughfares
today. Gold, black and blue; red,
green and yellow mingle as the hun
dreds Of visiting students enjoy the
pleasure of a stay in South Mississip-
pi's leading city.
The Hattiesburg students have not
acted at all Hospitality toward their
visitors, for when the results at noon
were compared, it was found that the
Hub City boys and girls have raced
away with three of the five points so
far awarded.
The three Hattiesburg trophies were
won in music, spelling and the quar-
tette. Mt. Olive won the defamation
contest and Brookhaven captured the
prize in expression. Meridian, which
last year walked away with the lions
share of the honors. did not tally this
morning.
Athletics This Afternoon.
This afternoon the students have
left platform and piano for the athletic
field, where the visitors are determin-
ed to make better showings and Hat
tiesburg equally as determined to in
crease it's Lead.
The music and expression contests
were held at the Auditorium theatre
and the defamation, quartette and
spelling contests at the High School
auditorium. w.
Miss katherine. Donald Wins.
Miss Katherine Donald. daughter Of
Senator Donald of this city, won the
music medal.
The medal for expression was award
ed to Miss Elizabeth Butterfield, of
Brookhaven, Miss.
In making the decision in the music
contest, the judges said that Miss
Lois Griffith of Mt. Olive, and Miss
Annabel Jenkins, of Popfarville, deser2-
ed honorable mention.
The other contestants in music were
Misses Beatrice Griffin, of Brookhaven,
Alice Mareton, Brookhaven; Christine
HunnicUt, Meridian; Mary Moore, Pop.
larville and Annie Lou Dorsett, New
Augusta.
Those who contested in the express
sion were Misses Elizabeth Butterfield.
Brookhaven; Denie Danziger, Richton;
Xer Davidson, Sumrall; Mario ,Haw-
kins, Meridian; Jennie Hamilton,
Brooklyn; Agnes Stevens, Poplarville;
Mamie Douglas, Lumberton, and FIoy
Dees, Hattiesburg.
The judges in the music contest
were Mrs. A. J. Grove, Miss Lorena
Thames and Miss Alsup. Judges in
the expression contest were Miss CO.
rinne Venable, Mesdames Jack Haney
and c. M. Zigler.
Furness WeIeb Best Orator.
Furness Welch, of Mt. Olive, won
the medal offered by the First-Na-
tional Bank Of Commerce in the decla-
nation contest over 10 others.
The judges were Rev. e. D.Solomon,
Rev. @. w, Crisler and Alexander
Currie.
In the contest between quartettes
from Hattiesburg and Meridian High
Schools, the Hattiesburg quartette,
Continued on Page Eight.
The Hattiesburg news. (Hattiesburg, Miss.) 1908-1917, 1914-04-18
PRESIDENT WILSON ISSUES
/ UL1lMATUM To DICTATOR:
Will APPEAR At C0NGRESS

SIX O'CLOCK SUNDAY AFTERNOON FINAL LIMIT FOR MEX
IcAN LEADER TO APOLOGIZE AMERcA-sTATEMENr FROM
WHITE HOUSE DECLARES TRYING TO DO SOME
THING LESS THAN WOULD oNsrIruTE AckNowl soceMeNr
THAT HIS REPRESENTATIVES, WRONG IN NpcMr,es
PUT UPON GOVERNMENT UNITED STATES
The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23
vERMONT'S HOME RULE"

| Thus far in the political campaign in
Vermont the rallies have been addressed
almost exclusively, if not quite so, by
| Vermont orators and by men who are
| well qualified to speak in most instances
There has been little disposition to bring
spellbinders from other states into Yer
mont to endeayor to influence the voters
by means of grandiose oratory on gen
eraities; and even had there been such
disposition it probably would not have
been possible to get such spellbnders
because of the fact that they were
speaking in their own states. Then, too,
there has been little resort to publishing
letters from men supposed to stand high
in public life elsewhere, either favoring
or opposing the candidates. Different
methods are being resorted to. Vermont
is given the chance to work out its own |
salvation, unhindered by the glamor of /
some great presence and by the renown I
of some famous name-barring few +
exceptions. Rallies are being addressed I
by the candidates themselves or by per
sons who are near the candidates in
sympsthies and in understanding, For
that reason, the result OF the election
on Nov. 8 is likely TO be more nearly
of the real wishes of the
voters OF Vermont than it otherwise
would be. Therein lies one of the marked
benefits of the transfer of election to
conform with the date OF election in
practically every other state of the un.
on. We are unmolested.
The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23

Serious as was their loss by fire OF
Wednesday night, the people of Cabot
may feel certain measure of satisfac
ton in that the destruction did not
reach the proportions which were feared
at one time. The wiping out of the only
hotel in the village is serious blow to
the community, and it is TO be hoped
that modest hostelry will be at the
service of the public. The fact that
Cabot lies on line of highway which is
coming to be more and more selected
by automobiles going north and south
and from New York to the White noun
tains makes the hope seem more reason
able of fulfillment in due season. Cab
OF, being off the railroad line, is depend
ent to considerable degree on automo-
bile traffic; and it does get a great deal
of the traffic of this sort. A hotel makes
an added magnet for this business and
without the hotel Cabot will be serious
ly handicapped in competing with other
which may lie on the same
line of highway.
The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23
TALK OF THE TOWN

l. o. 0. L., NJ. L., dance tonight.
Buy your coat in the sale at the
Vaughan Store.
Regular meeting Of Queen OF Forest
circle Friday evening at 1870.
At 45c each, ladies' velvet heeced vests
and pants at Perry's on Saturday. A
special value.
Miss Mildred Breene OF Waterbury is
making a few days visit with Miss Dor
athy Nixon of Bolster avenue,
Regular Saturday night dance in How.
land hall, Oct p, under the auspices Of
Riley's orchestra. Ladies free.
Mrs. Martha Calef White. electric nee.
die specialist. will be at Miss Canning's
toilet psrlor Barre, SATURDAY. Oct. -.
A social will be held BY the Swedish
people in the Brook street church on
Saturday, Oct "a. AZ 1870 p. m. An
Scandinavians invited
You will not be disappointed in a
nights good entertainment II You attend
the ladies quartet Of the Ithaca Con.
servatory Of Music. Watch for the date
and place.
While driving down Hill street yestrr.
day noon Karl Lane Of Liberty street
had 4 very narrow escape Inst AZ the
corner Of Washington and Hill streets
the wagon. while turning the corner,
tipped up on end. Mr. Lane did not bose
the lines and brought the horse % a
stop. but his Young SON. who was riding
with him, was les fortunate and rolled
cut into the road. receiving several
minor bruises but none very serious
several oulookers said they considered
them very fortunate 10 escape with -
little injury.
Thursdays arrivals 81 tie Buzzrll ho-
81 include. W ~ Price. Middlebury.
T.. d. Melleau. and wife. Rockford. Mich.
~ y Walsh Manchester ~ NJ: A. g.
BiPeIou. Brook field s. Maro0n. Wcon-
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George Lvons. Harduirk ~ ~ To-
m0rv Northfeld p 81 MHuif Bur
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The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23
TALK OF THE TOWN

Munsing underwear specials at Alb
bolts.
Some good, clean bargains at Perry:
on saturday.
| Saturday only; l0c colored outing flan
mel 7isc yard. at Naughan's,
You should see those outing night
robes for sac each at Perrys.
Mr.. and Mrs. r. H. Cave ar, have re-
turned from n three weeks visit will
their daughter in sharon Mass, and
they were accompanied home by Miss
Coraline Sowden, who also has been
STAYING several weeks in Sharon.
George W Withsm of Atlanta, Ca.
who has been visiting at the home Of
Mrs. W. +. Shepard of Washington
street and with other relatives in Yer
mont for the past two months, left this
morning for a short visit with his aged
sister in Woodbury. before returning
South Mr. Nitham plans "a spend the
winter IN Florida. although he will visit
Vermont again next summer.
Deputy sheriff Henry lawson OF Mont
pelier came to town Yesterday and took
IN custody Mrs. Teresa Csnonics. who
was released from the house Of corree-
ton IN Rutland on parole few months
ago bv Governor Fletcher. Mrs. Canon
iea was committed year ago. after her
conviction IN Washington county court
on q charge Of having sold intoxicating
liquor Illegally Recently she was re-
leased. pending good behavior and more
recently she was arrested on . capiss
from county court. states Attorney J.
Mard Carver has filed an information
against hpr and u va. while The casr
pns pending IN county court that the
governor revoked the order Of parole
Mrs Can0uica uas taken 30 Rutland
yesterday 70 fnish the uncompletcd sen
tsnce imposed nat wear and the pres
eut c0uuty cour case vas continued IN
al the March term
spanish American var veterans II
county. including the men
81 - - Bsrrr Montpelier and North
feif ufI insect ~ the BuzzeH restaurant
- Pearl stirred On TIE evening 81 Prise
lat ~ - far their frst snnual hsH-
1urt An autumn reunion ~ the rst
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marked degree rf nftifusiasm tn a.
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The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23

The stay-at.homes arc having almost
as fierce war as the actual fighters on
the field of battlethe British profess
sors have now replied TO their German
brothers, denying in toto and ad in
fnitum that which was said. In view
of their quarrels, it is hardly reason
able to expect that the tangle ever will
be Strengthened out completely as to the
causes leading up to the conflict. AT
least it never will be Strengthened out
to the complete satisfaction OF all con-
cerned
The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23

The delegates and visitors to the Yer
mont state Sunday school convention
are assured that it has been a pleasure
for the people of Barre to entertain
them and if the pleasure has been com
municated in any considerable measure
to the large number of people who have
been guests during the week, then the
people of this city will feel that they
have been doubly repaid. To have had
the opportunity to entertain a conven
ton of this sort is in itself worth while.
The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23
TALK OF THE TOWN

Introductory sale at kenyon's Store.
New lot Of Roman stripes at Abbott's
1t means a saving at Perry's on sat.
urday.
New Numbered collars 1914 fall styles
at Abbott's.
Great value in linen towels at the
Vaughan Store
Fifty-sx cuDlc feet OF chaiIwood for a
load, 1918 Arthur s. Martin. Phone
53-W.
To Rent-0et. !, tenement on Camp
street. Grown people preferred. w. +.
Richardson estate
The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23

Poor Belgium is reaping the whirl-
wind of the war-eyerything has been
blown away. If ever country deserved
aid in time of distress it is this little
nation that happened to lie in the path
of the invader of neighboring country
and which suffered terribly through the
violation of its neutrality. Had Bel
GUM been large and powerful nation
with the same neutrality agreement as
now, it never would have been overrun
as it was by the Germans. Nor would
there have been attempt to overrun it.
The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23
TALK OF THE TOWN

Sadlier's for furniture, floor covering,
clothing.
l.. VI. Newton went this morning to
Plainield, whore he viii make week
end visit with relatives.
The Joint committee OF Rcd Men and
d OF =. please meet ia the ante-room
Friday evening at o'clock.
Mrs. John h. Robinson Of st. Johns
bury, who recently accompanied the re-
mains of her husband to this city for
burial. is making an extended stay with
her parents, Mr. and Mrs. g. A. Wales,
of South Barre.
The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23
After withdrawing his resignation a

After withdrawing his resignation as
a professor at Harvard university fol-
lowing the Juror caused by his proGer-
man utterances, Prof. Munsterberg may
show little delicacy in forcing his
viewpoints on that subject. And then
again he may not. A person with a
normal view of the situation would most
certainly refrain from repeating the per-
Torrance.
The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23

Hon. Frederick Fleetwood did not
speak at Stowe because he was West on
important bank business, so the kind
words of the Barre Times and other Re-
publican papers were lost. He is not
sore over his defeat He is not that
kind of man. But-his supporters In
this county are sore and will show it
Nov. 3.-Morrisville Messenger
Do you mean to say that the Repub-
lican voters of Lamoille county will
knife the most progressive candidate for
governor Vermont has had in long
time simply to vent their spite for the
defeat of local aspirant for the nom
The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23

There is nothing in name when
Great Britain has the temerity to seize
the John d. Rockefeller" tank steamer
Perhaps, however, Great Britain did not
know that John d. rules the world.
The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23

Montpelier will find sinking fund a
handy agency to wipe out bonded in
debtedness. Indeed, no municipal cor
poration which goes into bonded debt
should be without sinking fund to
meet the bonds when they come due.
The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23

Having attacked the theory of the re.
call of judges, the American Bar asso-
citation probably had prepared itself
against attack by the big Stick"
The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23

nation II you mean that, we feel sure
that you place wrong estimate on the
breadth of mind of the voters of your
county.
The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23

Secretary Redfeld is defending Pres.
Wilson, which is needless defense, as
Wilson needs none. Much better might
Redfield defend himself.
The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1914-10-23

The flag is still there-at Vera Cruz.
Moreover, it seems that the flag win
stay there for considerable time,