New-York tribune., 1914-11-12
KINCSBURY To- GO
ON STAND TODAY
Widow Tells of Orphans
Who Were To Be
Sent Out West.

To illustrate the methods employed
by Commissioner kingsbury's forty
seven examiners in returning child
CHARGES Of the city to homes Of indi-
gent relatives. Frank Moss, Special
Deputy Attorney General, yesterday
called TO the stand Mrs. Kate Mann
bach, a widow
Mrs. Mannbach testified that her hus-
band died three years ago and that she
had four children dependent upon her
Her sister, Mrs. Emscher, who Is also
a widow, is dying from tuberculosis at
the Home of Rest, where her little
daughter is also confined. Her two lit
tie sons are inmates of ST. MichaeEs
Home, on Staten Island.
Mrs. Mannbach testified that she had
been visited by Miss Eva A. Marty. one
Of Commissioner Kingsbury's expert
examiners. who questioned her rs TO
the possibility of providing for the
maintenance of the Emscher young
sters. Upon being informed as to her
circumstances. Mrs. Mannbech said,
Miss Marty suggested that the two
boys be placed in private homes out
West.
Miss Marty, called 70 the stand, ad-
mitted she had been in New York City
only a week when she was appointed
an examiner She is nonresident,
and had previously worked as char
table Investigator in Chicago and IN
Omaha, from which city she had come
10 New York. She said she was not
familiar with the provisions of the
city charter or with the poor laws or
New York State. which specifically for
bid the expectation of dependent chill
dren beyond the jurisdiction Of the
state.
Upon her arrival in this city. Miss
Marty said. she visited the secretary
of the Charity Organization Society
and the Intercollegiate Bureau of Occu-
pations. where she learned Of the pro
posed appointment Of the forty-seven
examiners She visited Miss Ida May
Robbins. head Of the forty-seven, was
questioned concerning her experience
and received the appointment.
Mr.. Moss read into the minutes a
letter sent by Commissioner John A.
Kincsbury 20 Angus 7. Thorne, who
had been summoned TO appear before
the Charities Commissioner upon
charges based upon his testimony IN
the present inquiry. Thorne had testi-
fed to the use of Mayor MltcheIs
name by Deputy Commissioner Doherty
in obtaining the reinstatement OF Mrs.
Isabel Mullan, a dismissed empioye'
who is a relative OF Tax Commissioner
Georre Y. Mullan, the Mayors former
law PARTNER. The letter said IN part:
IN agreement with the statement
made bv NJ. Coudert before the state
Civil Service Board. no action VIII be
taken i'm this matter during the pro-
ceedings now being held by the State
Civil Service Board, and due notice
will be given Of any further action by
the department.
Mr.. Moss said the Importance Of
Tborne's testimony was IN effect that
Mrs. Nullan had been employed under
the designation OF hospital helper,
ard was detailed to work outside OF
her civil service position. After being
dropped for cause she had been forced
back upon ThOrne against his protest,
Tho nurnose was TO see what official
above Mr.. Thorne had required him 10
make that assignment. He had been
given 10 understand that . statement
Rad been extracted from Mr.. Thorne
10 the effect that the latter had made a
mistake in his testimony.
"If he made a mistake" SAID Mr..
Moss. "he could have been returned 20
the witness chair. But 10 get MI.
Thorne to sign something to the effect
that possibly he may have been mis-
taken and then TO use that as evidence
against him on a charge of false swear
ing looks 10 me like giving him the
double cross
Nr. Kingsbury will be the star wit
ness before the hearing at its resump-
tion this morning.
In spite Of the rebuke which he has
already incurred from the state com
mission Charities Commissioner
Kingsbury yesterday announced that
the charge against Thorne would be
again preferred after the investigation
bv the state commission. He also
stated that there were two other en-
ployes of his department who, he be
iieves. had testified falsely and who
will be tried upon charges.