The evening world. [volume] (New York, N.Y.) 1887-1931, 1914-05-13

himself up to the police he had told
with the Intention Of misleading
Dougherty.
ADMITS LYING TO DECEIVE THE
POLICE.
Q. You lied on purpose? A. Yes.
l did. to deceive him.
q. After you fell out with
Rosenthal In April, didn't Sam
Paul tell you that the avenue
Boys" blamed you for The frame.
up Of zslio? A. Yes.
q. 30 you became afraid Of the
gunmsnf A. Yes.
.: Then you met the gunner at
q place called the Beaux Arts to as
sure them you had nothing to do
with 1t? A. Yes. that's true.
Q. Then Bridge Weber loaned
1850 which you gave - a lawyer
named spielberg to bail out ZeligY
A. Yes.
Mr.. Manton then referred to the
shooting Of 'Leftie" Louie and to
Roses visit OF sympathy to Louie's
home on the Southern Boulevard.
"Leftie" had been shot In the foot.
1t was shortly after this that Zelig
was arrested. which was the second
time. for carrying concealed weapons,
q. Zelig's first bail was $4,000? A.
Yes.
9; And the second time 1t was
10000? A. Yes.
q. And then you went to see him
and he told you he faced fourteen
years and you would suffer IL he
didn't get out? A. Yes.
Q. And you went to Weber and
Sam Paul and got money to pay for
20 ~ I'm, hnt
q. And there was some trouble be-
tween Rosenthal and Sam Paul in Nav
and June? A. They were on the out.
Q. 1t was about that time you heard
that Rosenthal circulated the report
you framed up Jack Zelig and you un-
dertook to deny 1t to your friends?
A. Yes.
Q. Wasn't that about the time zel,g
got out the second time-,n the frat
part OF July? a. Yes.
@. You knew suspicion was attached
TO you because you were q friend OF
Becker? A. Yes
TRYING TO SHOW HATRED OF
RoSENThAl.
Q. You knew R0senthal had started
that story about you after Zelig got
out, A. ! wasn't concerned
=. You were angry with Rosenthal?
4. | didn't like II.
Q. You knew Spanish Louie was a
notorious gunman and you were well
acquainted with him? A. l knew
him. but never employed him to do
any shooting.
DECLARES WHAT he WROTE
WAS NOTHING.
Q. You have written that you EN-.
ployed him? A. Yes, but l never did
50.
@. When Zelig was released on bail
after his second imprisonment, he
was released in the Centre Street
Court? A. Yes. I was there, at tho
time. But ] was not there the first
time.
q. You said you telephoned to
Becker that you were going to the Sam
Paul outing and would lind out the
sentiment Of the gangsters? A. Yes
q. You said WALTON. Schepps and
Weber would be there? A. WALTON
and Webber, yes.
Q. Didn't you forget that at the
gunmen's trial? A. Yes.
y. You forgot II in October. remem-
bered It at Becker's trial In November
and remembered II yesterday. A. Yes
and I'm likely TO forget II next week.
q. do you mean that Rose? A. Yes,
ROSE At LAST SHOWS A Loss
OF TEMPER.
Roses yellow skin flushed to deep
orange all over his head. He had
clearly lost his temper completely IN
der the steady calm questioning.
Q, Don't you think you are swearing
recklessly? A. No.
., Was that matter discussed or
not" A. II ] swore it, yes.
q. But II you didn't swear to 1t il
didn't happen? Is that what you
mean? \, | was trying to tell the
truth and | am now.
.. Didn't YOU tell this jury that on
the Sam Paul outing YOU discussed
with Harry WALTON and Schepps the
killing Of Rosenthal' A, N It's on the
record II was discussed. hut II was
n thing that had been discussed very
often.
q. Did you ever associate with fire.
bugs? A. No.
q, But you've written about them
A. But what | wrote was from rumor
and printed record.
Q. When YOU hrst <sstthsd before