The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1914-06-05

led out Of the office. AZ they walked
out I noticed Mr.. Hopkins for the
first time. He asked about tho trou-
bic and while we were sitting there
talking. rang for Mr.. Seaton."
Did any Of these ladies come
back?"
"A little later. noticed Mrs. West
had come back into the office and
stood there a moment or two looking
at u.s. Then she turned around and
walked out"
Wasn't Crying, He Said.
WAS Mrs. West crying?"
She was not
mo, sir"
Did you see her face?"
Are letters which usually come in
reference to pardons marked 'confiden-
tial?'"
They are"
did you authorize Mr.. seaton to
give out copies Of these letters?"
Did not. In fact, rang for Mr..
seaton. doubling that he had given
them to the women"
AT that time did you have any
hatred or malice toward these women
or intend to do them any wrong or
violence?'
Had no intention Of doing them any
wrong. and had no chance to do them
any violence, as did not touch them"
The direct examination was concluded
at 1880. after just 45 minutes Of ex-
animation by Judge Hawkes.. Otis
Hungate conducted the cross examina-
ton.
Heard Protests Before.
You never heard OF this case be-
rore the women came to Topeka ?"
asked Hungate.
only as we had received protests"
replied the governor.
when the women called on the 9Th,
they left their evidence with your
Papers which they said was new
evidence"
Did you turn these papers over to
Mr.. Seaton?''
Yes"
Under the administration Of Gov
ernor Stubbs. were there not blanks in
use for paro1es?'
I cannot say?''
Have you not since learned that such
was the case?"
from Mr.. Seaton's testimony, would
judge such was the case"
When Mrs. Buckwalter showed you
from letter. where was the
letter?''
I'm her hand.''
what did you dor
IT said where did you get that? Let
me see it,
Both Had Hold OF Letter.
What did she do?"
Handed me the letter"
Didn't you both have hold Of let
ter?"
I'VE must have or the letter would
have fallen to the floor"
did you glance at the letter suffi-
GENTLY to know that the letter was a
copy and not the origina1?"
"I knew it WAS a cow"
you asked her where she got the
letters and she said Mr.. Seaton gave
them to her?"
Yes"
What was then said?"
S0aton NEode no Difference.
Mrs- Buckwalter said, Mr.. Seaton
Is your clerk and said. That makes
no difference. These letters should
not go out of the Office"
well, are the letters on file in par
don cases, public property"
They are not
Don't you think applicant for a
pardon has a right to know about pro-
tests filed against him?"
"As I said. we don't retry cases. We
hear the evidence on both sides and
determine for ourselves the merits Of
\ case"
At II o'clock the court took a ten
minute recess. Following the recess
Hungate resumed his cross-examina-
ton OF the governor.
Didn't Mrs. Buckwalter say she
thought she was entitled to Office
fles"'
Don't have any recollection of such
\ statement"
will you say she did not?''
II have answered your question:
Huhgate Badgered Him.
But you are not SO stingy you will
not answer twice? badgered Hungate.
Il will not discuss your rights" re-
sponded the governor.
Mrs. West reached across your desk
FOR the letters?'
Yes, SIR
Had to reach quite a ways?'
Quite ways"
''Have you any recollection as to
whether you put you hands on the
papers at the time she did?''
Yes. one Of my hands I put on the
paper
''What did you do with your other
hand?"
''Then took hold of papers with my
other hand as she grabbed the papers,
She was then against the table?"
II think So"
'And you were also against the ta-
ole?''
Il think SO. possibly"
Papers were then raised UP several
inches, abe ut waist high?''
About waist high
Both Of you had hold Of papers with
both hands?''
I'VE both had papers with both
hands,
You knew these were copies of let
ters?"
Raise Cain With Them.
knew they were copies of letters
hat concerned the character Of Mrs.
Did not know but that
she would take them home and try to
-aise Cain with them. Did not want
them to go out OF Office"
Did you know she had copies Of
more than one letter?'
did not. although was not sure
whether she had copies OF the DIR.
Shultz letter or not
did you know about contents OF the
Il did not