New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1914-01-05
c,,tius Collects Opinions
'' II Golfers on Lesley
Cup Conditions
CONSIDER THE MATCH
BEST TEST OF PLAY
:, peid. White, Tiffany and
'', abbot Among Twenty-four
Stating Preference

l. .kiS se0flVh WV r,v~ho D
=. as 10 foursomeS OF - - 80,
80 80. IN fhe annual tri-state Co.,ses ,'.
80, rrsley cup. involving New io'N'
iN Y. .,n.e,,s and PennsylVania'
Nis -. the question Of fonrsom's
~ .S.u matches in the Lesley cup
~ ~. has seen discussed. and IN W.
' .,,.r vas brought 10 focus
= The refusal Of Walter j. Travis
a''-'' -,sr,her Of the metropolitan team
~ ,se foursomes were in vogue.
- maintained that the vast majority
az not only here but in Phils-
favored the fourball style Ac-
- Calkins was requested to SCI
ipl -o sort ont 10
team members. tWenty-elght re-
-, ,rs received. OF these. four were
% - ,oursomes. while twenty-fouT
~ ,.cord as preferring fouroaH
rs,sAes ...,. g., ,ha
.a-,,es as follows. $500.
-, re reoues; Of certain Philadelphia
- Nsw York players ] undertook an
- unofficial inquiry into the senN-
-. -. ,s., existed with regard 10 whether
,.'-.,r., or fourball matches should De
- I, the Lesley cup contest
: received many requests 10 MAKE
30. Letters public a year ago. out De
- "a DO so until the three presidents
- srsitsrs OF the conditions Of play
a., u. deed OF gift. should have full
--.,-,,,r,tv TO consider the matter es-
- as Z, was known that they were
,,,auetiag or were about TO conduct
90, ipouiry Of their own.
= "a. statement Calkins gives verbatim
,,,-,,pundence from various prominent
s-soas
sou. o. these letters are interesting ana
A., n par; as follows
o., consider the four bal match the best
.. .,,esm play. AMI it should be adopt
a fo- the Lesley matches. -KooeI'
,sso,t Connecticut champion.
-Iuny opinion the individuality OF golf
A.. n, ", strongest factors. Is weakened
~ q. ,oarsones. Clifford A. Dunning.
.Tuo-ball foursomes are a terrible
,u,, 0, good time. No one would play
,s.- -less compelled 10 do so. 1t viii
,.,s ne golf officials longer than the
s,-, a golf Is old 10 make the two-ball
frsunss any way near popular. Arch
had Graham. former New Jersey cham
gat
an IN favor OF four-ball matches
were a tes, Of golf. such as this is sup
s.sd 10 bs. occurs. John Reid, jr., sec
-s;ry Of the United States Golf Associa-
ac.
Outside o; these matches (the Lesley
Cup the folrsome is practically obsolete
ana when YOU consider the class Of people
faying golf the fact that they 90 not
Jay foursomes is the strongest argument
r favor Of eliminating them from the
Lesley Cup matches John F. STANLEY.
=
"seven-elghths OF the golfers who COM
Isis In Lesley Cup matches never play
iosrsones except in that competition. -
Gilman p Tiffany. six times champion Of
re Hudson River G. A.
= % not consider foursomes furnish a
ls'isf test Of team play than fOur-ball
catches, or that they tend 10 improve the
tally o, ones play FOursomes are gem
ssly unpopular. and any attempt 10 pop
'a'ize them through the medium OF the
-ssl'y competition Is bound TO fail.
waiter J. Travis. three times national
l-Iieur champion
Fou-bsu matches should improve a
afs game. as he has two opponents If
stries. as he should. TO carry the match
q BY himself Furthermore, believing
aN there Is no punishment I'm the life
rssiter and that man is punished in
IN lie FOR his evil ways. the foursome
stn' to eouniermine the Divine purpose
making one man suffer for another
nan faulis."-C. Z. Van Week. jr.
sSce u seems 10 be generally conceded
lii ioar-hall matches are more interest
. 70 PLAY than foursomes | think they
'aeulo be played. &C. C. Waldo. jr.. who
'''sAiec fil,oa in the national champion
nip In 1872
IN opposed 20 foursomes. as I do not
.S''lotf them as good test OF team play
whse 90 INV
'VU golfers out % the twenty-eight
N favor OF retaining the foursome.
~ are Max n Behr. former New Jer-
champion Charles p. Macdonald,
NJ. -','e OF the National Links: Archie NJ.
~. ~ me ST. Andrews Club champion,
'eOine b. Travers, national amateur
cough TrSysrs does not 10 on record
-, ssuna' his opinion Is given that he
- foursomes a better test OF team
~ ana thinks Il worth while 10 have
,e.. semitic test Of team play as pos
~. "a the Lesley matches, despite the
mat the players themselves by a
- majority may vote in favor OF four
p. ~ NJ Ward. Arden NJ Robbins and
,.,... h'''eshoff preferred not to go on
IA AZ expressing an opinion. Findlay
l..,elas captain OF the Metropolitan
,,s =. cup team: Cornelius J. Sullivan
NJ. !" Hicks made no reply OF any
.... sss'yzs the vote. four out OF the
-,,.s y,''ur voting IN favor Of four-ball
-. acknowledge that the fourscmes
r,. 500 test Of golf and OF team play
"a. ~ NOT state which form they con
,a,,. .e'.sr. though going on record as
io,,I 'oursomes. Fifteen regard thu
r,y = :" match as the better test OF team
fos,.s~ even OF solf Those who favor
- - matches follow:
i,Ap - satterson. Percy r. Pyne. %
G CA. STANLEY. ST.. Gilman p. Tiffany
iss waldo. jr.. Robert Abbott. CIT.
1ss O. :. punnins. Howard J. Gee. Archi-
sst nam nam c W InsIee. Frank c. Jen.
y. wight Partridge. John Reid tr