The Detroit times., 1914-09-29
Gilman CALLED
SELF A CROOK,
GREEN SWEARS
Witness Details Part Of Talk He
Had With Alderman in Lat
ter's Home
DIDN'T SAY, sTM
JUST COMMON THIEF"

The defense continued it's argu-
ment, Tuesday morning, to exclude
Andrew II. Green's testimony relative
to heart-to-heart talk he had with
Gilman In the latter's house the
Sunday following tAe alderman's ar
rest on graft charge.
Mr.. Green was placed on the stand.
McNamara asked him the follow
ing question:
'Mr. Green, referring to the con-
versation between Gilman and you
In Glinnan's home, did you It that
time say to him that Il " would
plead guilty, that you would use your
influence with the court to get sen
tence suspended or get him on. and
then you would give him position
In your employ so that he could get
started again right?"
Mr.. Green replied: II told Mr..
Gilman II he would tell what he
knew, not only In regard to himself,
as to what was going on. that was
wrong In the council. that Ilwould
speak a word for him"
You said to him that you would
use whatever influence you could with
the Judge or court, to help Gilman
get on and give him a new start in
This was objected to by Prosecutor
Frazer. who insisted that Green be
allowed to say exactly what he told
Gilman In that conversation.
The Judge allowed Green to an
swer the question.
In purpose. yes," was Green's re-
ply. =.
Continuing, Green said he called
Gilman on the telephone, Sunday,
and later went to Glinnan's home
when the alderman said he could not
60 TO Green on account OF the illness
OF Mrs. Gilman. The latter and her
daughter, the witness said. were
within hearing of the Conversation
between the alderman and Green.
Didn't Gilman first ask II he plead.
cd guilty what would the court do?"
asked Frazer.
Il urged him to make clean breast
OF IL; l don't remember what he said
IN response to that. He asked me
about getting q lawyer to represent
him at the examination. He suggest
ed Mr.. Monaghan"
Il don't think we want that" said
the court and Green said he would be
glad to answer any questions.
"Glfnnan asked me to see Mona
ghan, said Green. II said would
and did on account Of his wife's
sickness"
Frazer: Then Gilman didn't &c
cept your proposition"
Green II can't answer that yes or no.
I thought at the time that he did"
The court objected to the witness
answering In this way.
Frazer: WAS the conversation In
reference to the bribery?"
Green: mot entirely, Il referred TO
this and others who might be engaged
other people"
Frazer: whats the matterf Don't
you want to tell thingsf"
Green: Certainly, but I don't In
tend to be bulldozed. I'm trying to
tell you what took place."
Frazer: "You talked Of this bribery
matter"
Eyes"
"And Gilman told you he was COM
II object" roared McNamara. "He
never said any such thing. I want
that stricken from the records"
Green continued: Gilman said you
couldn't hire me. Mr. Green when I'm
a crook. That was his answer and
that was the last he said In regard to
that proposition.
"Did he say he was a common
THEIR
sNo."
"Didn't you tell me that in my
ofice?"
II did use that language to you. I
correct II now and say that he used
the word crook instead Of thief.
Green then went on to explain that
many things which were previously
clear In his mind were now obliterat-
cd by recent strenuous experiences
and that he was trying not to be In
fiuenced By what he had read in news
papers
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