The Manning times. [volume] (Manning, Clarendon County, S.C.) 1884-current, 1914-03-04
SlDELIGHTS ON ASYLUM
STEVENSON ROASTS BIvENS AT
HEARING.

assistant Physician Fulmer Takes
Exception to DR.. Taylor's. State
ment but Latter Holds His Ground.
We give below two interesting ex-
tracts from the stenographic report
Of last Tuesdays hearing Of the asy.
lum investigation: Mr.. J. D. Bivens
one of the regents was on the stand
Tuesday. Following is a part Of his
examination:
Mr. Bivens: Mr.. Chairman,
want to make statement before that
sir. That the puestions-that will
only answer any question that is per-
tinent or germane to the main pues-
ton. There are some questions that
they may ask that I am not going to
answer positively. I want to be
plain and I want you all to under
stand me. I think this-I think 1t
kould have been the proper thing for
DR.. Saunders to have her lawyer IN
here. She is lady and she may
bring out questions and the reply
may be harsher than It ought to be.
So for that reason ] think she ought
to have her lawyer.
Mr.. Stevenson: Mr.. Chairman,
think the committee will be In bet
ter position to do the determining as
to what Is relevant and it Is not the
business OF the witness to do that.
Courts usually determine that-what
is relevant and pertinent.
Later in the hearing:
Mr.. Stevenson: The witness stat
ed that he thought Dr.. Saunders
ought to have her lawyer here?
Mr. Bivens: How is that, sir?
Mr.. Stevenson: Did I understand
you to say that you thought DR..
Saunders ought to have lawyer
here to represent her?
Mr. Biyens: I understand that
Dr.. Saunders had lawyer.
MIR. Stevenson: Do you think she
needs it any worse than she did at
that executive session?
Mr.. Bivens: No. sir, do not sup
pose.
Mr.. Stevenson: Why did the board
exclude him then, If she needs It
now?
Mr.. Bivens: My reason for that Is
this, that Dr.. Saunders Is lady and
if they are going through a quiz 1t is
preferable coming throughja lawyer,
because the reply may be a little
harsh and I would not
Mr.. Stevenson: But when she is
on trial you think it is better not to
have lawyer then you are the
jury?
Mr.. Biyens: think it would be
a good plan to have lawyer along
with them.
At the afternoon session last Tues
day DR.. Fulmer, Assistant physician
at the State Hospital for the Insane
and DR.. Julius H. Taylor, a regent OF
the institution had an interesting e1-
change of words. Following !s the
stenographic report Of part OF their
testimony.
Dr.. Fulmer: I want to know II
DR.. Taylor knows about my medical
career?
DR.. Taylor: No sir.
@. Have I ever been called into
case with you? A. No, sir.
@. Why do you state that DR.. saun-
ders is head and shoulders above
every other doctor in the institution?
A. Because I believe her to be.
@. Why? l know the work sne
has done, doctor and know some
thing Of your work.
@. Have you ever been in the COL
ored female department to see what
records l have? A. I said so far as
I know you have no records.
@. Have you been over there to
see? A. No, sir, haven't seen your
records.
@. AS far as operating, have you
ever done any operating for the
white female department? A. Yes.
O. For the coiored male? A. do
not recall for the coloresd male.
@. White male? A. Yes.
@. Have you gone in the colored
department since / have been there?
A. No. sir.
O. There have been operations 60
ing on for different things. have
done them myself. AS to results.
can show you. That is just about
the point wanted to bring out-why
you made the statement that she Is
"head and shoulders above A.
That is my opinion.
@. That statement was also made
by Col. Aull-.
DR.. Fulmer then asked DR.. Taylor
what he based his opinion on.
To which Dr.. Taylor replied:
well, doctor, have seen and heard
vou in the Columbia Medical society
and I have come in contact with you
for the last few years and have
seen DR.. Saunders and her work. and
repeat my statement that she is
head and soulders above any member