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The Pensacola journal. (Pensacola, Fla.) 1898-1985, 1914-12-11
VOx POPULI.
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PROTEST AGAINST STATEMENT
FROM THE PULPIT

Editor Pensacola Journal.
AS a member both of a branch of
the Christian church and the Socialist
party, would like to protest against
the statement of Rev. w. B. Parshley
in his sermon at the Baptist church,
that the Socialists are opposed to
Christianity.
The party has repeatedly announced
| that they had no quarrel with any
religion. They do sometimes criticize
the errors that creep into any re-
ligion, and sometimes think the
churches are too much dominated by
their financial interests, but their
members who are active in the po-
litical party belong to all the different
religious bodies. They publish paper
called the Christian Socialist. They
have many ministers of all denomina-
lions in their ranks. Like all tie
political parties they have many who
hold no religious views.
The Socialist party aims to destroy
the undue power that the great f1nan-
cial interests have acquired over both
church and state; to secure to every
human being on Gods green earth a
rightful share of the bounty He has
provided; to so change the govern
ment of our country, that no person
OF his fellow man, but walk upright
on Gods earth, a child OF God, accept
ing only from His hand the bountifuI
fruits OF the earth; that by his own
industry he can secure, without Civ
ing up any part of his earnings to
enrich those who live in idleness
through tribute exacted by our present
unjust laws that rob the real workers
of what they produce.
This may seem the opinions of
dreamers to some, yet it is a grow
ing force in all nations. Socialism
has prevented Italy from taking part
in the present. European war. It would
have prevented Germany starting re
war IL the people and even the SOL
diers had not been deceived by the
military powers. It is the only party
that stands for peace and universal
brotherhood.
Respectfully,
MINNIE WOLFE RUTHERFORD.
The Pensacola journal. (Pensacola, Fla.) 1898-1985, 1914-12-11
MISS HOA WILL
SPEAK TONIGHT
ONLY WOMAN MEMBER OF TEN
NEssEE HIGHWAY COMMISSION
WILL ADDRESS FARMERS.

Pensacolians within the last few
days have heard of Miss Ernestine
Noa, of Chattanooga, the only woman
member of the Tennessee Highway
Commission, and Pensacola audiences
have given her unstinted praise and
applause whenever she has appeared.
Miss Noa's talks, however, have been
in the interest of woman's suffrage,
heretofore, as she was distinguished
visitor to the convention just closed,
but tonight they will hear her on an
entirely new theme, for she has chosen
for the subject of her speech at the
city hall rural economics, the meeting
having been arranged especially for
the farmers, though the invitation to
every citizen and every stranger with
in Pensacola's gates is a cordial one.
The lecture will be under the aus
pices of the Escambia County Crop
Improvement Association and will have
the hearty cooperation of the Pensa-
cola Chamber of Commerce. Secre-
tary Phillips has interested himself
deeply in economics as well as in
equal suffrage and it Is possible that
Miss Noa may be induced to remain
over until Saturday morning, In order
that she may address the Chamber
of Commerce at their meeting as Mr..
Phillips has planned for her to do.
The hour for the meeting Friday
night Is seven thirty o'clock and Miss
Noa win have something of interest
for everyone in Pensacola and the sur
rounding country to hear.
This afternoon. at thirty
o'clock, Miss Noa will make a short
talk at the Pensacola High School to
the students on the same subject and
her presence there viii prove an in
SEPARATION and q pleasure to the stu
dents
The Pensacola journal. (Pensacola, Fla.) 1898-1985, 1914-12-11
How Strong Is the
Unspeakable Turk7

The advent Of Turkey into the field
OF hostilities has aroused some inter-
est as to what she may be able to
do. but SO tar little information has
been available In the fourth war is
sue OF the Scientific American of De-
cember military authority endeav-
ors to supply some OF the facts.
There Is probably no army regard
ing which 1t is more difficult to make
any definite statement of strength
than that Of Turkey The estimates
OF the total number of men, fully
armed and equipped, that Turkey can
put In the field are all the way from
over 100000 to 100000, the latter
being the estimate of certain military
men in the United States army, whose
opportunities for gathering inforrna-
ton on this subject are unusually
favorable
In 1910 there was undertaken a re-
vision OF the whole military system,
and at that time the term of service
was 20 years from the age of 20 to
the age OF 40 for all Ottoman subjects.
Formerly Christian subjects Of the OF
tonan Empire were exempt, but had
to pay an exoneration tax; today, un-
less a change has recently been made,
Christians are subject to service.
In 1910 the total war strength of
the infantry was given as about $780,
900 rifles, with other troops in pro-
portion; but it is quite unlikely that
such a force existed anywhere but
on paper.
When the war broke out, the re-
organization and re-equipping of the
eral. Won der Goltz, was under way,
but far from complete; and there is
no doubt that the sudden declaration
OF war by the Balkan states found the
Turks at a disadvantage of unpre-
paredness, comparable to that of the
French when the German troops
poured across the neutral lands of Bel
GUM
The crushing series Of defeats of
the Turks wrought havoc in their
army, Some of the best regiments
were all but annihnated, a vast
amount of artillery and general equip
ment was captured or destroyed, and.
worst OF all. a serious blow was
struck at the morale and prestige Of
the whole army.
In the interval since that war. the
government, with German assistance, |
has been carrying on the reorgan-
ization. How far this has progressed,
and just what is the effective strength. |
st il difacult to say.
The Pensacola journal. (Pensacola, Fla.) 1898-1985, 1914-12-11
'SH|PM ENTS FOR
FLORIDA SHOW
A SLIGHT GAIN
PENSACOLA LEADS IN EXPORTS
BY A BIG MARcIN-BARBED
WIRE EXPORTS WE'RE OF BIG
VOLUME.

Foreign shipments of all Florida
ports during the past month had a
total valuation OF $1,1a6,672. a slight
gain over the month prior, due to the
increased business from Pensacola.
Nearly two-thirds OF this valuation
was on goods that went through this
port.
With the exception of one cargo
from ST. Andrews all lumber and tim
Der shipments totalling 5,45S,000 feet
went from Pensacola. A feature of
the months business was in the ship
ment of barbed wire. No less than
1913, 900 pounds went to foreign coun-
tries and presumably all Of it through
Pensacola. The following shows the
value Of exports from each Of the
Florida ports as made public from the
office of Collector Griggs:
The Pensacola journal. (Pensacola, Fla.) 1898-1985, 1914-12-11
The West Florida Man
at Tallahassee.

The state press has been saying
some very fine things recently about
a certain modest, but very able and
competent young West Florida man
now In Tallahassee. Here is what
the Tampa Times said about him a
few days ago:
Up at Tallahassee there is q quiet
good~loolEing, able young man named
Thomas F. West. Everybody, OF nearly
everybody IN Florida is his friend.
Tom West has made good as attorney
general He has hlled-is hIIing-a
big ONCE In q big way. He has carried
two important causes to a satisfac-
tory conclusion for the state OF Flor
ida. both OF which will result in more
money In the treasury and make pos
sible the further reduction OF state
taxes
One OF these we commented upon
editoriAlly only recently. 1t was his
successful fight through the state
courts and In the United States su-
prene court to prove the states right
60 impose q percentage tax on gross
income OF the Pullman Car Company
derived In Florida. His latest success
is likewise proving the constitution
atty OF the state law passed in 1918
whereby the state imposed a tax of
two per cent upon the gross income
OF insurance companies derived from
policyholdeis In this state.
Some day Tom West is going to ask
the people Of the state of Florida for
an even bigger, II not more impor-
tant, ONCE than he now holds. The
chances are very strong that he will
get what he goes after. He seems
to be built along those lines.
The Times has stated the case ex-
actly. Tom West is a big man. The
Journal recognized this fact years ago
when he was in the state senate from
Santa Rosa county And this able
young West Floridian has been grow
ing bigger all OF the time. AS the
Times says, some day the people Of
Florida will call him. IL he wants to
go, into an even more important po-
sItion than he holds now.
The Pensacola journal. (Pensacola, Fla.) 1898-1985, 1914-12-11

HANNAH BROS. FURNITURE CO..
16-20-22 WEST GOVERNMENT ST.
ARE SELLING TWO-INcH POST
IRON BEDS, FINISHED IN WHITE
OR v. m. FOR $500, AND ALL KINDS
OF IRON BEDS RANGING IN PRICE
FROM $50 UP. EXTRA GOOD BED
SPRINGS, SIPS AND UP. ALL KINDS
OF FURNITURE PRoPoRTIoNATE-
LY CHEAP. AMERICAN NATION
Al BANK CERTIFICATES OF DE-
POST ACCEPTED IN PAYMENT AT
FACE VALUE.
The Pensacola journal. (Pensacola, Fla.) 1898-1985, 1914-12-11
Bank Certificates
at Par
For Furniture

HANNAH BROS. FURNITURE CO.,
16-2o-22 WEST GOVERNMENT ST.,
WILL ACCEPT AMERICAN MA
TIoNAL BANK CERTIFICATES
OF DEPOSIT FOR ANYTHING IN
OUR LINE OR IN SETTLEMENT OF
ACCOUNTS AT FACE VALUE.
The Pensacola journal. (Pensacola, Fla.) 1898-1985, 1914-12-11
CAMP BELLTON
BANK WILL PAY
RESERVE NOTES
NEW FEDERAL RESERVE BANK
NOTES ARE TO BE DISTRIBUTED
BY CENTRAL STATE BANK, THE
FIRST IN STATE TO DO so.
SPECIAL 10 THE JOURNAL

CampeIlton, Fla, Dec. S.-The Cen
trail State Bank, has received a sup
ply of new Federal Reserve Bank
notes, although they are not mem
Der of the federal reserve bank, but
they desire to keep up-to-date. The
notes have been placed on display, and
they are attracting the attention Of the
curious. These notes are very beau
tlful, and instructive.
About this time last year the Cen
trail State Bank, made the announces
ment that during the week OF Christ
mas they would pay all demands,
over $3.50, in gold, which attracted
the attention OF their customers
Now they come forward, as the first
bank in Florida, with the new federal
reserve notes.
The Pensacola journal. (Pensacola, Fla.) 1898-1985, 1914-12-11

HANNAH BROS. FURNITURE CO.,
1e-2o-22 WEST GOVERNMENT ST,
ARE SELLING ALL KINDS OF FUR
NITURE AT ABOUT ONE-HALF
ACTUAL VALUE. AMERICAN MA
TIONAL BANK CERTIFICATES OF
DEPOSIT ACCEPTED IN PAYMENT
THEREOF.
The Pensacola journal. (Pensacola, Fla.) 1898-1985, 1914-12-11
DR.. MONTAGUE
SPEAKS TODAY
PRESIDENT OF COLUMBIA COL
LEGE WILL ADDRESS STU
DENTS OF PENSACOLA HIGH
SCHOOL THIS MORNING.

DR.. A p Montague, d esident OF
Columbia College, Lake City will ad-
dress the students of the PENSACOLA
High School this morning at nine
o'clock. DR. Montague is a telegate
to the annual convention OF Florida
Baptists, who are holding THEN ses-
sions in Pensacola this week ai~7 he
has something OF interest to tell every
student in the school
Patrons and friends OF the high
school are invited to hear DR. Non
tague
The Pensacola journal. (Pensacola, Fla.) 1898-1985, 1914-12-11
L. w. Nelson, attorney,
removed to 1915 Masonic
Temple. Phone 754.

The law firm of Nelson &
Holsberry having mutually
dissolved, Leroy V. Hols-
berry announces that he will
continue the practice of law.
using the offices heretofore
occupied by the firm at 402-3
Thiesen building, Pensacola,
Florida.
The Pensacola journal. (Pensacola, Fla.) 1898-1985, 1914-12-11
GREATEST cRnr OF
COTTON PRODUCED

Washington, Dec 10-The United
States this year has produced the
gre test crop OF cotton in it's history
More than sixteen million HaIes or
1896 Geo bales of lint cotton and
Inter cotton. unoHicially estimated at
from 600, 600 to G50.000 bales constitute
the crop.
The Pensacola journal. (Pensacola, Fla.) 1898-1985, 1914-12-11

To say Candy" in Pensa-
cola, means Whitrnan's. The
Crystal Pharmacy has the
greatest showing ever. Do
not fail to read their ad in to-
days Journal.
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09
GOV. M'DONALD ON
A VISIT TO A
NEW COUNTRY
First Trip West of Albuquer-
que Off the Main Line, He
Says, of Journey to Gallup.
Royalty Welcomed.

GOV. W. G. Mcdonald was In tho
city a few mute this morning OF
his way bacA to Santa Fc from his
FIRST visit To the country west o. Al
buquerquC OF the main line The
governor was liunizcd In Gallup, to
where ne went yesterday to be the
guest Of honor at "A dinner and To de-
liver tho chief address at the Gallup
high school commencement.
The governor said this morning that
IL was a real "nrst visit" lie never
before had been west Of this city. he
said. on the main line OF the Santa
Fc.
Gallup. marking the arst visit Of
The governor. made u a festal ana
gala event. The governor, with state
school superintendent Alvin y. White.
were taken FOR an automobile ride.
the chief feature 81 which was, Of
course, a visit 10 the mines.
In the evening az .cy house
there was a dinner given by the peo-
pie orGhlup' Pretty much every
body" Ia Gallup was at that dinner,
aud the governor found himself sur
rounded Oy an atmosphere Of delign,-
ed cordially that left "a doubt a. %
the depth and sincerity OF Gallups
welcome.
At the school commencement three
young men were graduated. Superin-
I ittlNtAf NNlhfs III INfAA II hNahi
president uf the university Of New
Mexico. and Adjuutnt Geueral Harry
T Herring spoke In addition to Gov
ernor Mcdonald
Other school engagements.
Two other important engagements
IN the field OF education are ahead ui
the governor. on sunday, with state
Superintendent Alvin y. White he viii
go % Lts cruces 10 attend "A meetina
of the board OF regents ~ the Agrt'
cultural college. The college faculty
h 20 ne elected at hat time tor tn
ensuing year. plans for the broaden
ing ~ the college work, along more
practical grounds. are expected q
come up for consideration az the ses'
zion. II IN hoped. during the mex
year. Ia make the college Of more dl
rect benefit to the people.
on May u he governor will be-
chief speaker AT the com nencomenI
Of the State School Of Mines al So.
orro. Superintendent White viii als'
spead uu that occasion.
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09
MEXICANS GUARDED
WELL At FORT
SAYS HERRING
Adjutant General InSpects
Prison Camp as Guest of
Army Officers. No Danger
of Escape.

AdJutant Harry +. Herring paid a
visit yesterday 10 the prison camp A.
Fort Wingate. where 1000 Mexican
Federal refugees are held by the
United states government. The adj
lutHnt general went tp Gallup with
Governor Mcdonald and state School
Superintendent White TO take part IN
the high school exercises there last
night. AID when the governor and the
superintendent went on q tour Of the
mines. the general seized the oppor-
tuuity 10 maze a trip 10 Wingate,
which Is not far from Gallup.
General Herring met a number OF
officers with whom he h acquainted
among the regulars on guard AZ the
camp. and he was shown everything
there was 10 see In The interment
camp. He was. like everyone else
who has ever seen the motley cOlle'-
tlon Of ragged soldiers. women and
children who He'd from villa across
the border az Oiinaga. too much inn
Dressed by the sight TO do justice 20
his impressions Ia words. Il was a
sight that would linger long In as
memory. he said today on his return
from Gallup.
The general said that the prisoners
we're amply guarded BY the United
states army force nov at the fort
Even II the Mexicans did get away,
he said. they couldn't get any where IN
time Ia DO anything. The fort 10 20
situated that the surrounding country
oHeF 40 facilities for nieht In con-
cert.
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09
moral services on June I'm

mortal services on June Eth.
w. g. Lame and family OF san Mar
cisl are visitors In the city. having
made the trip overland.
It bakes best. because Il is the
best. Use only Il. Il. T.. flour.
A new line Of summer underwear
has been received az The Newcomer
Art Shop.
Powel's See cream specials for
sunday.
J. G. Sanchez was an Albuquerque
visitor yesterday. Mr.. SANCHEZ h
chairman Of the Tome land grant.
Mrs. Frank Knoblock of Magdalcna
is an A~lbuquorqu" visitor ana VIII be
the guest of Mrs \ Romero of sol
South second street for seVeral DAYS.
why not use the best flower made?
It's Il. r.. T..
A special communication Of Temple
Lodge No 8. \ r and A. NJ. will
he held his afternoon beginning at
2 O'Clock. FOR work "a the NJ. NJ de-
gree. Visiting members are welcome.
Ben JANA of the Jana urocery co.
has gone TO Roswell on a business
trip. Walter Jana, d brother, who Is
here IN a visit. wIU have charge OF
the store during ms absence
CAN Powclls Tor pecial sunday or
deere
Ro-enwald's ieVo.n department is
headquarters Tor Graduation pres
ents. For a girl "a thin model twenty .
year, gold cast watch. fifteen Jewel,
standard movement makes "A mighty
nice present, aud onir tiI.S5.
Homes are happy sher r.. 4 r..
flour Is used.
just IN. q new shiument Of Madam
Moran corsets. both back and front
laced AT the Newcomer Art shop.
See the new baby coats and bon
nets for summer ICING shown at The
Newcomer Art shop
Powells delivers e cream SUNDAY
on short order.
A T. koehler Dr.. d we'll known
newspaper man and commissioner al
publicity, returned last right FROM a
TRIP through the sulfhern part of the
state with the New Mexico board OF
San Diego exposition manager
Why worry over sunday deserts!
Phone Powells SO. -5.
COT H. \ %. sellers today wired
his weekly road bulletin Ia the KAN
sas cts and Los angeles automobile
headquarters, and sent out twenty
blanks 10 points along the transcoh-
tnentai highway fof his next weekly
budget OF notes on Inc conditions OF
the route,
The best housewives use only x. Il.
4, Tour II has no superior.
The following vii represent the
local knights of coiumbus az the
state convention in Las Cruces t0mor-
row Past state Deputy q. \. Mar
ron. state Warden Dennis Chavez,
Grand knight j. g. Rodden. Past
Grand knight DR. j. A. Riedy, and
a number OF members Of the Albu-
querque council The meeting h ex-
pected "a draw a record breaking at
tendance,
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09

"Doan's Ointment cured me of &c.
zemo that had annoyed me for a long
time. The result was laating."-
Hon. $ W. Matthews. Commissioner
Labor Statistics. August. Ne.
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09
TmINGs Tn MnnnN NnOUT.

shirts for outdoor %slccpeds have
been patented with clasps on thc
shoulders 90 hold blankets la the
proper position
sslt water olcanses straw mat
ting without turning IL yellow 81
promptly dried while soapy water
frequently disgolors u.
Lenses have been given some
frtuch lighthouses which enable
them tu sent their light from htty
Co sixty miles Co sea,
Practically an electric street
ears In Europe are equipped with
meters Co induce motormcn to be
economical current
The United states supplied go
per cent and Great Britain 90 per
cent 81 the machinery imported by
Germany last year
pli instead az coal ranges wIli
ba used on the newest United
States o|attlcship because al their
greater cleanliness in cooking.
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09
SOLD BOSTON TERRIER
AT A FANCY PRICE

n e.. Zciser. proprietor of "Bilfs
shop and "A breeder of Boston ter
Tlcrs has sold a Boston tcrri": TO
Donald Dunbar of Chicago MI.
Dunbar has been az Mhgdaiena ana
was here with the ShTners. Tie
shipped his terrier Ia Chicago. The
prize paid. while not -eNtraNagant, ac-
c0rdlng to a dog faucicrS notion, vas
Vol within The three figure mark.
NT LriFer las had unusual sue
cess breeding BostoU terriers. Two
weeks ugo he sold oue which WAS
shipped Co Jacksonville Fla He has
alsl shipped o. Los Angeles and
other distant points as well aa
shipping closer home.
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09
OIL C0MANY N
DEFEAT THE F0REsTERs

fhe Continental Ou team took uut
Two ouf 81 three from the Foresters
ID q ritf handicap league match ~
feii, hecaIse the Bankers failed Co
errear.
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09
SPRINGER
STORES
ANYTHING
The Weather

Forecast Tonight aud sunday
partly cloudy: warmer northeast
portion tonight
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09
CORNETT0 SETTLES
WITH JOHN ]. RYAN

Judge Eaynolds has removed the
cas-. pf John j. Ryan am oXpressman'
against John Curnetto from the dis
trict court docket The action has
been settled Ryan suc0 Curnetto ia
Justice " ". Mcclellan court for
f2o0. alleging that Cornotto punched
him he got "a judgment Tot {35 and
Cornctto appealed.
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09

WATER TAX DUE AND PAY
ABLE AT OFFICE oF WATER co,
as 3. SECOND.
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09

county. and Clovis IN Curry county.
The southeastern part OF the state N
facing a period of prosperity. the
Colonel said. The Roswell and Carts
bad country Will turn out bumper
crops, and things are better than they
have been for six years about Clovis.
The successful future of the country
east OF the Pecos on the Bclen cut
on n assured, DECLARED Colonel
Twitohcll.
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09
Notice

You are invited 90 investigate the
new "INHALAToRIUM" Installed by
Or schwcntkor in suite 3. \. \. Ar
miio Bidg.
This apparatus has cured innum-
erable cases Of throat ans lung dis
eases.
10 you have tuberculosis or any dis
ease Of the air passages.
GALL MD SEE FOR YOURSELF.
Perfectly harmless and wonderfully
eneCtivc
An expert IN charge.
Phone az for Information.
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09
PART
OF STATE is FACING
PERIOD OF PROSPERITY

Col Ralph Emerson Twitchell,
chairman of the New Mexico board of
managcra Of the San Diego EXPOSE
ton. was in the city for q short time
last night on his way home To- Las
Vegas from q visit TO the Pccos val
ley Ia the Interest Of the exposition.
EncuuraHing mcctinga were held, he
reported. In Loving. otis aud Carls-
bad. IN Eddy county. Roswell In
Chavez county, Purtales In Roosevelt
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09
MAYOR CALLS SPECIAL
MEETING OF HEALTH
A FOR TONIGHT

Mayor Boatrighi announced today
that he had called "a special meeting
OF the board ~ health for this even
ina. The srssion Will be held In the
office n Dr. 4. c. Rice city physi-
clan. The mayor is president Of he
board Of health
The mayer said the meeting was
aalied 90 consider several matters.
Il is the first session under the new
administration, and the mayors
nrst opportunity 10 delve into the
health department and get a general
line on is problems and work.
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09
The Value of
Your Eye Glasses

L4cs not In the fact that they repre-
sent 80 much merchandise.
Eyeglasses which dO not correct the
eye faults In YOUR eyes are WORTH
iIiSS to YOU, and your glasses are
worthless 10 ANOTHER PERSON.
So you see the READ VALUE Of
glasses depends upon the SKILL of
the MAN who FITS them.
There are HUNDREDS Of possible
lens combinations, but ONLY ONE Is
EXACTLY RIGHT for you.
MY BUSINESS Is to apply the
principles of O~ptometric Science to
determine the exact retroactive condl-
ton Uf YOUR EYES and adapt the
proper lens Combination 10 give Per.
fcct Vision without Strain.
The evening herald. [volume] (Albuquerque, New Mexico) 1914-1922, 1914-05-09
ABOUT PEOPLE
YOU KNOW

Fce's Candy Store. That good
strawberry Ice Cream again today.
D. ". smith is q visitor iu the city
from Los Angeles. Cal.
Reliability. Excellence. Purity -
that's r. T.. +. flour.
The WooGmcu Of the World are
planning 10 hold their annual me-