The Manning times. [volume] (Manning, Clarendon County, S.C.) 1884-current, 1914-02-18

QudTleS, d uSdu uuISS, lOI ldCh VI
loyalty, and had talked the matter
over with DR.. Carouthers. He said
later when going through the build
ing with Dr.. Grim, the public health
expert, he had met Dr.. Carouthers in
close conversation with Miss Quarles.
He said he and Dr.. Carouthers, chair
man of the present board Of regents,
went out to the State park, and when
they returned Miss Quarles was
standing with her grip in hand dress
ed for the street, and she and Dr..
Carouthers left at the same time.
He said this may have been coinci-
dence and then it may not have been.
How Drs. Carouthers, Settlemeyer
and J. D. Bivens held meeting with
all of the subordinates of the asylum
staff in the St. John Hotel and franz
ed up a slate, the witness said. was
told him by Governor Blease himself.
That they had offered DR.. Saunders
place to DR.. Mary Baker Blackburn,
but later she had declined, and they
had rendered it to E. P. Derrick of
Lexington. He said that Mr.. Domi
nick told him the regents had called
up the subordinates from the attor-
ney generals Office. He said that he
told Governor Blease if the board re-
moved Dr.. Saunders from taking in
structlon from Dr.. Cooper in the
"Nossamer test" for examining pa
tients for certain diseases, he would
resign and would proclaim the action
of the board of regents to the people
of the State. He said he told COL E.
n. Aull and the latter took friendly
interest in the matter and tried to
settle it, and finally did so, and he
thought the incident was closed.
DR.. Babcock said that Dr.. Cooper
had been recently replaced as pathol-
ogist by Dr.. Blackburn, and the lat
ter knew nothing of using the "Vos-
samer test" for determining the char
dcter of certain diseases from the
blood, and that DR.. Cooper had been
since that time instructing DR.. Saun-
ders in this test, and it was this to
which the board objected, said the
witness. He said Dr. Saunders had
used this test on over 900 white wo-
men patients under her charge and
she had found about per cent. OF
them infected with syphilis.
Dr.. Babcock said he told Repre-
sentative o. L. Saunders, father OF
DR.. Saunders, about the complaint OF
the board of regents against her dur!
ing the fair, and that he knew moth,
ing more of the matter until Novem-
Der Is, when he received letter
from Governor Blease ordering him
to discharge Dr.. Saunders. When
asked for this letter he said he con-
sidered it confidential, and Repre-
sentative Stevenson was pressing him
for it and had stated that Governor
Blease was present and could say
whether or not he was willing. for il
to be produced. DR.. Babcock stated
that he woull not care to offer 1t In
evidence unless he had the consent ot
Governor Blease, when the governor
suddenly arose from where he was
sitting and said to Chairman Mauldin
that he did not care to have his name
handled about by his political enc,
mics and he suggested that If Mr.
Mauldin was chairman to act as
chairman, and he, the governor
would be willing to reply to an.
questions the chairman asked. There,
upon Mr.. Mauldin asked II he con-
scented for the letter to be read, and
the governor said they could read that
or any other letter he had ever writ,
ten, or anything he had said or done
Dr.. Babcock then read the letters
which are printed in another column
DR.. Babcock said his reply to Gov
ernor Blease's first letter was framed
after consultation with Col. B. l.
Abney and after he had talked with
Attorney General Peoples in an effort
! to obtain a personal interview with
the governor, which the latter refus.
ed to accord him.
The witness said he again got into
communication with Col. Aull and the
latter came to the asylum, got the let
ter, went to Governor Blease's house
and came back in about two hours
and announced everything was set
tied. He said the governor, IS Col
Aull related, said he would drop the
matter If DR.. Cooper was kept away
from the asylum, and DR.. Babcock
said he SO told DR.. Cooper, and he
considered the incident closed.
But. according to DR.. Ratccck, the
matter smouidered, until the next
thing he knew it broke out on De-
cember II, when he received word
from the board OF regents that they
would hear him the next day on the
Saunders-Cooper incident. He tsle-
graphed o. L. Saunders, who came
down, and then Dr.. Babcock showed
the father of the lady doctor the gov
ernor's letters. They secured Sena-
tor Weston, vino declined to act as
attorney for Dr.. Saunders. because he
was an official of the State. They
telegEaphed Solicitor ]. K. Henry and
the next day, December -, Mr.. Saun-
ders, with Solicitor Henry, DR.. Coop
er, with John J. McMahan, as his at
torney, appeared a. the assembly
room of the board Of regents. DR..
Babcock said all were excluded eX-
cept himself, and he found gathered
there the hoard of regents, Governor
Please with his private secretary,
Col. John K. Ahll; Dr.. Saunders and
Drs. Thompson, Griffin, Blackburn,
i oole aud Fuimer, with the regents.
He said the board in executive ses-
sion heard the charges of the medi-
cal staff against DR.. Saunders.