The Irish standard. [volume] (Minneapolis, Minn. ;) 1886-1920, 1914-12-26


one of the officers of the degree, it is
the duty of one of the officers of the
degree to give the obligation; and, in
a general way, of course, l remember
what it is. am not Master now, and
haven't been for some years.
@. You are the Supreme Physician
Of the Order? A. am Supreme Ply
sician, medical director, of the Order.
Q. Well, give us your general idea
of that Fourth Degree obligation.
A. The Fourth Degree is patriotic
degree; it exemplifies patriotism, and
the candidate affirms that he will sup
port the constitution of the United
States and the constitution of his own
State, that he will protect the purity
of the ballot, and that he will remain
a good member of the Catholic Church.
He also agrees to remain good, law
abiding citizen of the United States.
@. Is there any part of the Degree
work that resembles anything like
that that appeared in that article that
has been read here:
by Mr.. Morris). Objected to as
of the witness. The proper way to
do is to tell what they have and then
put this beside it, and let the jury say
whether there is any resemblance.
Objected to as incompetent, irrel-
evant and immaterial, calling for a
conclusion.
@. Is there any such oath taken in
any OF the degrees? A. No, sir.
By Mr.. Morris.
@. Are there obligations. taken in
each Of the degrees? A. In each
one, yes, sir.
@. Are each of the four obligations
different one from the other? A.
Yes, sir. There are only two prin-
cipal obligations, the one following
at the third degree, and the other in
the fourth.
@. Is there anything in those
oaths- A. Which oaths?
@. Well, we are all wrong about
calling them oaths, we all mean the
same thing. A. That is right, if you
mean it, but l can't answer the ques,
ton with the word oath in it.
@. Well I'll try to call it obliga-
ton. A. All right.
@. You stated that in some of
those oaths there is a requirement.
or in some of those obligations there
is requirement to remain members
of the Catholic church? A. No, was
that my wording?
@. That's the way took it down.
A. That's the intent, but that's not
the wording. Well, yes, I'll take it
back; they do really insist they must
remain members OF the Catholic
church, in order to retain member
ship in the fourth degree.
@. Yes, of the knights of Colum.
bus? A: Yes.
@. That's true as to each one of
the obligations. A. Well, it isn't so
specifically stated; but the constitu.
ton and bylaws of the Order provide
that.
@. Is there anything in those
oaths- A. Again.
@. Oh, those obligations,-which
has a denunciation of others, of
other denominations,-Wh was
A. Nothing.
@. Will not spare age, sex or con-
dition,. anything of that kind in any
Of the oaths? A. No. sir.
@. Is the word spare in any of the
oaths? A. In what? Well, now, is
that done purposely?
@. It is not. A. Well, I take it
as an insult, because you are trying
to trap me into saying oath.
@. Well, it isn't intentional, in
form the Court and jury, it isn't in.
territorial at all. Is the word spare
in any of the obligations? A. In
the sense that you mean, spare some.
body from injury?
@. Well, the word spare? A. Well,
it might be, l don't recall, but in the
sense of sparing anybody, or not
sparing, no, sir.
@. Which has the sense of not
sparing. A. There is no such word
| nor M such sense in If
@. Are the words these infamous
heretics," or words of that import, in
any of the obligations? A. No, sir
@. Doctor, you say one officer
gives the obligation. You, yourself
now, couldn't give verbatim any one
of the four obligations, could you!
A. No, sir, L wouldn't attempt to.
! @. Is that oath written or unwrit
ten? A. don't understand your
question.
@. Oh, is that obligation written
or unwritten? A. It is printed.
@. And can you tell me where ]
may procure, where a copy of that
obligation can be procured; give me
the name and address of the person
in whose custody one is? A. Yes
sir; now, understand, you ask two
or three questions there together.
can tell the name of the person in
whose custody the ritual of the Order