The Detroit times., 1914-10-22
'DlCTACRAPHM Man
IS STILL UNDER
FRAzER'S FIRE
McGurn Refuses to Answer
Questions Based on Copies
of Records
DECLARES ORIGINALS
SHOULD BE PRODUCED
Gilman and Brennan May Have
Had Money Talk, But He
Didn't Hear It

When the Gilman trial was resun-
ed. Thursday morning. Prosecutor
Frazer continued to cross-examine
Arthur J. McGurn on the dictograph
reports prepared by McGurn on July
IL and July 20.
Money might have been talked
about In Room 40S and you did not
hear it--isn't that true? asked the
prosecutor.
YES" answered the witness. I'VE
knew previously what line Of conver.
sation Brennan would have with 0iin
nan. Brennan dropped his voice 81
times. We heard everything Brennan
wanted w to hear
~Buk you didn't hear allf"
"Possibly Brennan did not want ~
toaheoy everything he knew about our
nGnt7 ard thAt - Naa . IAN
ih : j0dd vol6oIs &, ~
Fraser then read from copy Of N
original dictograph reports. but No
Gurn insisted on having the originals
before answering the prosecutors
question.
why don't we have the originals
hereT roared Attorney McNamara.
instead Of the prosecutor reading
from scraps OF paper that the witness
and nobody else knows anything
aboutr' We object to Frazer using
Glinnan's name In reading from those
scraps, giving the impression that
Gilman made these statements"
Mcnamara made q formal objec-
tion, insisting that the prosecutor was
attempting to get something before
the jury by inneundo. The objection
was overruled and an exception al
lowed.
McGurn would not testify to any
thing that Frazer read. fortifying him.
self by repeatedly asking for his orig
inal reports which are not In the pos
session of the prosecutor.
county of Wayne up to May IL, 1914,
was $20,545.33. according to the testi.
mony Of County Auditor Charles A.
Buhrer. who was placed on the stand
by GlinnanS attorneys. Wednesday
afternoon. The auditor carefully ad-
justed his eye glasses to his lean nose
and read the figures from several i'm.
pressive looking documents that he
had lugged to court. He explained 70
Prosecutor Frazer. on cross-examina.
ton, that the figures had been hur-
riedly prepared and might contain
some inaccuracies. The prosecutor
succeeded In clipping few hundred
OF the hgures--money spent for auto
hire previous to the aldermanic ar
rests. The auditor itemized the ex-
pense account as follows: Paid to
Walter J. Burns (Brennan). $3,267.55; I;
to Burns agency, &8,469.47: for
other detective work, $233.O4; for
additional counsel, 35,246.s2: for stem.
ographers. 31.944.42: for transporta.
ton, s122.98; for telephone. S174.05.
Prosecutor Frazer was careful to In.
form the court that he did not appear
In the case until May Is, 1914
The prosecutor had not completed
his crossexamination Of Arthur ].
McGurn, former Burns operative In
the aldermanic case and now the paid
witness Of the defense. when the aft.
ernoon session ended at O'Clock.
Frazer put In a busy afternoon with
McGurn. He made the witness admit
that he had 5000 In his pocket--mon.
ey advanced to him by the defense
all the time he was dickering with
the prosecutor to appear as a witness
for the people. first for $500, then
5000 and finally for s10o.
"You wouldn't bring him here. &C
we did" said Attorney Mcnamara tc
the prosecutor.
Mr.. Frazer. explaining Why he had
refused TO advance McGurn 500 "ex
pense money" TO appear as the peo
pies witness. said, In reply TO Nc
Namara: II would have brought him
here II he had been an honest man.
Judge Phelan promptly called" the
prosecutor fer his remark and ex
cused the jury while he lectured
Frazer on the Improperly OF using
such language TO q witness.
"It IL the courts duty to protect q
witness from just such attacks. and
I want to tell you. Mr.. Frazer. and
you. too. Mcnamara, that VIII do
So" stated the Judge with defiant
toss Of his locks.
When Prosecutor Frazer attempted
To quix the witness on the dictosrsph
reports. McGurn shrewdly demanded
that he be shown the originals bear
ine hin name. The prosecutor was
unable to produce the originals. Ne
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