The Detroit times., 1914-09-12

you're afraid OF being shown
something. all the time. aren't your
asked Mcnamara, as the witness an
swered questions guardediy
That's my attitude; you'll have
to show me- said the witness. I'm
apt TO forget some small details"
Then followed long repetition or
all the transactions referred TO In the
trial thus far. Finally getting down
to a meeting between Burns and 0din-
nan In the latter's home. July 10, at
O'Clock In the evening. Burns, asked
why he went. said his phone had been
ringing all day; he thought II was
Gilman, and learned from Gilman
that the latter had been calling him.
'You were afraid that the petitions
would be vetoed. and you pushed out
II wasn't afraid; GlHnan was
afraid they'd be vetoed" said the wit
ness" as q chuckle passed through
the audience.
Lawyers WranaIe Again.
The opposing attorneys got into .
wrangle over some letters that the
witness said he took from Gilman.
when he had promised he would try
to get Gilman job on the Wabash.
Mcnamara demanded that the pros
ecutor produce the letters.
.'If we have them, we'll bring them
In: maybe Mr. Shepherd has them"
said Mr.. Frazer.
shepherds may come and Shep-
herds may 60, but the ONCE goes on.
and those letters are In the once,
said MCNAMARA.
Have you any papers of any kind
in your possession, In connection with
your Investigations" asked McNar
mara.
The witness said he had turned
everything over to the prosecutor.
"All that talk you had with Gin
nan about getting him Wabash JOB
was bunch Of lies, wasn't itr de-
manded Mcnamara.
IAN Misrepresentation. yes, said
the witness bluntly.
''It was lie. wasn't 1T"
Eyes, lie," said Burns. forcefully.
"And It was all part OF your plan
to trap him?"
"Yes-s-s-s sir" said Burns. with his
peculiarly emphatic way Of dragging
out his sybilants, in the oft-repeated,
Eyes. SIR"
Tells Green Traps Ready.
Burns told Of meeting Andrew ii.
Greer, and Assistant Prosecutor Jas
nowski, July "a, In the Detroit club.
and OF telling them that Gilman was
coming In" July 26, and that the
witness had arranged to pay Gilman
$1,000. Green had given him $4,000,
the witness said, on the 24th. and
had previously given him $500, and
on the morning OF the 18th, he sent
an operative to Mr.. Green's ONCE for
$700 more.
'Did you tell Green that you were
giving the money to the aldermen. or
didn't you tell him they solicited the
monSy."
Il said ! was going to give 1t %
them"
"Didn't Andrew Green say to you
that he would give you the money 70
pay to the aldermen only on condi-
ton that they asked you for money!
shouted Mcnamara.
1T don't remember any such re-
mark" said the witness.
For q long time. McNamara insist
ed that the witness answer yes" or
"no," but Burns repeatedly said, Il
cannet say yes or not; do not re-
call.s
The answer stood that way.
did you tell Andrew Green that
Tom 0linnsn had asked You for
81 DOOR" was asked.
mo. did not" said the witness.
"Did you tell Green that any Of the
aldermen had solicited money from
your"
I don't think did,
who planned the arrangements In
the Ford building oficesr was
asked.
81 think william J. Burns did" was
thA answer.
When Attorney McNamara demand
ed the list Of all persons who knew
the workings of the plan to trap the
aldermen. and the name Of Hugo GIL
martin. former Free Press reporter,
was brought into the case, McNamara
demanded to know why Detective