The Detroit times., 1914-10-21
|NNAN, CROSS-EXAMINED,
DENIES STATEMENTS MADE
BIZ BRENNAN And OFFICERS

chamber could not be recalled by the
witness, although he admitted the
statements mentioned were true,
Gilman denied any conversation in
which he promised 10 come TO the
Ford building alone.
do you remember any conversation
! In room 400 On July IS, In which Bren-
nan mentioned $3.50 as the price?"
| "No."
Other conversation in the room
| bearing on the bribery OF other alder
men was also rspudiated by, the wit
ness.
II never had any such conversation
I! in that room or any other" he de-
clared.
Did you have a talk in room ios
, about voting machines?| -.
NO"
Did you go to Mr.. Pipp about the
voting machines?" .R.~'".' So. ta'
/ mo" .... .'s.t.'
Gilman denied that he had said to
Brennan. ITO hell with Lynch"
did Mr., Brennan say you were TO
receive $1,000 and did you say you
did not know what amount you were
10 receive?"
NO" ~...r ..e. rs. .sE
Shortly after that didn't your friend
Smylie break In and"
- object" reared Mcnamara, "Smy-
lie is no more friend OF ours than OF
the prosecution"
We'll. this man Smylie," continued
Frazer, ito whom You explained how
you got the money--didn't he break
In and say that II was not quite clear
how you got the 81 900 and didn'tyou
say. why, Brennan gave 1t to me- and
didn't you say. Hell. We won't bubble
about IL, there's $1,000 and the moneys
there?" .....
Il don't remember"
Have you seen Smylie SINGER"
Yes, last night in McNamara's OF
fee"
Gilman then denied having a con-
tversation with Jasnowski in the graft
chamber in which 500 was men
| toned.
"I don't remember any such CONVEX
sation, and | will swear that no such
conversation took place" he said.
Didn't Brennan say TO you, Now
didn't you know when you came into
my Office that you were to get some
thing for your servicesr"
mo"
"win you swear to it,
AS far as I can remember.
"Mr Brennan then said: You left
me with the understanding that you
were to receive consideration and
you answered, yesr"
II don't remember that"
Gilman continued TO deny all
knowledge Of conversation which Bren-
nan had stated took place In the graft
chamber on July 26.
.Not as far as | remember" was
the usual denial OF the alderman.
He also denied admissions alleged
to have been made by him to Burns
after his arrest.
| mot as far as remember" he con-
tfnued to repeat in answer to the
prosecutors questions.
+ Frazer reviewed what apparently
was a transcript Of stenographfc re
port OF what was said In the graft
chamber on July 26 and Glinnan de-
nied the statements In toto.
| Gilman could not ever recall long
speech which Burns sale took place,
answer to Jasnowski's questions and
remark by Brennan.
! DID anyone In the room ask you:
What did you get this money forr"
Gilman paused before saying he did
mot remember He said the men In
the graft chamber "All talked at
once."
did one man ever talk to you at
q timer"
Burns did"
did he ask you what you got the
money fore"
Several times. but he didn't give
me chance 20 answer"
"Tor'd get word out Of your mouth
and he'd stop YOU"
/ YES"
is that the way you wan. to be un-
derstood?'
yes"
did Jasnowski talk to you alone
put some questions TO you?"
( Il don't recall"
did Mr.. Van Dyke?"
"No."
"Brennan7'
-Oh. yes. he started In to tell me
what had done"
I'm the three hours and half you
were there. you didn't answer single
Z. - 80 !. ! ,.z.5 1. -.
~ mo" 49, ~ I4-.a's-@Rs
you heard Mr.. High testify. as to
what Burns asked your"
yes, but don't recall IT,"
Gilman, from the witness stand
smilingly recognized friend In the
rear of the court room.
Frazer hunted up Highs testimony.
Nov did Burns notify you as TO
your rights"
No. as far as I know"
When High said he heard Burns
tell you he, did not tell the truth"
The question was ruled out on an
objection. a.. = ....
You heard High and Van Dyke ties.
tify as TO what was said and done In
the room on July 26?" t~
Il knew they were on the stand"
And Mr. Coffin and Jasnowskl?"
II don't recall their testimony"
do you recall that they were on
the stand testffying as to what was
said and done In the room?"
Yes"
And now you want tie jury to be-
lieye that you are giving the only cor
An objection to this question was
sustained.
did Burns say to you: You have
4 81 900 In your outside coat pocket that
you got for your vote In the Wabash
dealr"
Yes"