New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1914-07-08

Mrs. Elizabeth Variance, the nurse
who vas slapped by Mrs. Carman,, held
a long conference with Levy and Dr.
Carman to-day. She was very unwill-
ing to talk to reporters later.
~ am not afraid to talk because |
think | will incriminate myself" she
said.
"Well, are you unwilling TO talk be-
cause you fear TO incriminste friend
of yours?" she was asked.
She did not answer this question
until il had been repeated second
time, and then she merely said: Me-
81 have not retained a lawyer she
said in answer to other questions. Il
see no reason why should. Yes, have
known DR.. Carman for long time, and
have been frequently to his house,
but | have never spent night there,
and have never been back there since
my trouble with Mrs. Carmsn.
"Of course, / knew Mrs. Carman, but
not as we'll as ] knew the doctor. ]
won't tell you about what happened
that time. There was trouble with Mrs.
Csrmsn. There is no use in going over
that story again. ! never lived in the
Carman house. | am nothing but a
poor old woman, trying TO make an
honest living. | will testify before the
grand jury or the inquest either, II
they want me 10, but don't see that
can help the police about this murder.
did you kiss DR.. Csrman that dayT
asked a reporter.
Look at me-" replied Mrs. Variance
DO you think I am the kind of woman
who would kiss any man, or, what Is
more to the point, whom any man would
desire TO kiss or be kissed by? That is
such foolish question. All these ques-
tons insinusting that DR.. Carman could
have been fond OF me or could have
helped me for any reason except fol-
lure good heartedness and because he
IS coed friend are so silly that / am
not going To make any answer"
And Mrs. Variance shows only toe
plainly in face and form that her life
had been one Of toll.
She has finished her work in Freeport
and to-day returned TO her home In
Sesford, where she hopes soon to get
smother case.
In discussing the visit of Burns "a
the Carmsn house Mr.. Levy said TO-
day:
Burns Questions Maid.
IL reached the Carmsn home las
night after Burns and his men ar
rived. Celia Coleman, the negro maid
was being examined by Mr.. Burns wher
] entered the house. asked Burns Il
ask her II the AFFIDAVIT which she signed
had been read to her before she
signed it.
Celia told Mr. Burns" Mr.. Levy con
tlnued, that the affidavit had beer
read TO her by myself two or three
times before she was even asked &c
tign H."
well, then. Mr. Levy, how do. you
explain Celis's testimony at the in
ouest?"
"She was mistaken, she testified
wrongly" he replied.
was her testimony wrong in any
other partieuisrs!' Was the next CUES
"Yes; she was mistaken when she
said that only she and I were present
when she told me her story Of what
she knew OF the happenings in the
Csrmsn house on the night Of the
shooting. We were not alone Mrs
Carman was present. She was in the
room all the time, although she tool
no part in what went on, or in tho
conversation between Celia and my
self J did not see the Coleman CIR
on last wednesday, as she said IN
court. II was Thursday when saw
her, the second time. The last time
saw her was Thursday night"
Mr. Levy has been worried by Celia,
positive statement that she signed tn.
AFFIDAVIT written by him without read
ing IL or having II read 10 her. Ap
parently he can't forget this, and III
Teverts 20 IL again and again.
There was report tonight thai
DR.. Csrmsn had engaged detectives.
This Sir. Levy would neither con
firm nor deny.
"We once thought Of engaging Will
lam J. Burns ourselves, but we die
not, and I don't know whether w'
shall employ any detectives ourselves
or not"
CASTOR Boissonsuit, manager Of ths
roupsny which sold 10 Mrs. Csrmau
the diefogrsph which she installed IN
her home and In the doctors Office 70
oveyhesr mis- conversations, will be q
Nitners before the grand jury on
Tharzdsy. The District Attorney hopes
that ~ will be- possible 70 get from Mr..
Boissonsult record Of the eonverss-
lions which Mrs. Csrmsn overheard by
.ossna ~ the instrument Other en-