The Detroit times., 1914-10-08

nan waBf"
"olinnAn was not surrounded
Jasnowski then described where the
oficsrs and others stood In the room
when Gilman Was brought In. Ken
nary then asked when and where Jas.
nowski saw Green and Brennan on
July %. He said he saw Mr.. Green
at the Country club that morning.
but that he did not see Brennan at all
that day. Jasnowski said he saw VIII
liam J. Burns on the morning Of July
- In Attorney Van Dykes ONCE. Van
Dyke. Burns. Fitzpatrick and possibly
Smiley were there when he arrived
In connection with this meeting. no
said: there was some talk about
employing an outside counsel to rep
resent the prosecutors ONCE In case
Of prosecution. Mr.. Green made the
suggestion, think. Mr.. Shepherd
was sick Rt the time. asked what
stenographer they would use to take
down any conversation that might
take place between myself and Mr..
Gilman"
did you make any EFFORT to find
out what was going TO take place In
the afternoon
"No. Mr.. Shepherd and Mr.. Green
had talked that over"
"Then you didn't care what the
plan was; you were going over to-
make Mr.. Gilman talkf"
IT couldn't NAVE Mr.. Gilman talk"
What stenographer did you have? 2"
"McSurry and Sheridan"
They were Burns menf"
eyes"
Now, as prosecuting attorney OF
the county, you were not interested
enough to ascertain II Brennan passed
Gilman any money"
II did, from Gilman
Didn't they refuse to carry out q
| plan TO allow a member OF the prose-
cutor,s star TO look through hole In
the door TO see the money passedy"
There was some talk about such
arrangement. but Brennan did not re-
fuse TO carry out such plan"
Didn't Brennan say. I'm running
this and I'll do II my own wayr"
II don't recall anything like that.
Mr.. Green said he would have q car.
penter Ak panel In the door between
the two rooms SO II could be seen
through. but this was not done"
Why did you stay In Van Dykes
once while Mr.. Comm and Mr.. High
went over TO Room No. 408?"
ut was close to the Ford building"
"You were simply doing as you
were told by Burns. weren't your"
IL was under Mr.. Shepherds or
ders."
Nov the only way you could ascer-
tain II Brennan gave Gilman money
was to ask Mr.. Gilman after his ar
rest?"
THAT was one way. I also talked
| to Mr.. Brennan and others"
did you make memoranda Of the
questions you were going TO ask
Glinnan?"
mo. not on paper"
did you put on paper the ques
tons you did ask him?"
| "No."
$50 you have not the questions that
you asked or the answers that ne
gavey"
| NO" aA.g
Then what you tell today are ques-
lions and answers you remember
since two years ago?"
Memoranda was made In 1918.
nine months After the conversation"
Jasnowski said he refreshed his
memory from this memoranda which
he made some time after he read what
was purported to be the stenogras
piers record OF his conversation with
Gilman. Kennary then asked JAS
nowski to describe the graft chamber
% he saw 1t when he first entered the
room. When he finished his descrip-
ton. Kennary asked the witness who
was In authority In the room and Jas
nowaki said he supposed, Conn.
Whats the first thing you said to
Gilman In the room :"
my best recollection II that said.
you and / meet once In Q while,'
either said that or he said that to
line. The next thing recall saying
was: In order TO clear this matter
lup, want to ask you some questions
Tor Mr.. Brennan saw you In connec.
tion with wabash petitions and You
were to get some compensation
Then I asked him II he knew he
would be compensated for using his
good ONCE. and Gilman said, Yes
Mr.. Fitzpatrick asked Gilman one
question"
aDid you tell Burns that you got
statement but that Gilman did not
say .much?"
aTo my best memory that was not
said at all" Burns, on the stand, tes-
titled to this remark.
Jasnowski said the first thing Burns
SAID to him was: v'Is there an oficer
here"
~who was sitting around Gilman
while you were talking to him7"
CONN, Burns and stenographer
were standing up. another operator
kwas seated"
Detective Bert High previously tes-
timed that Jasnowski was not In the
room when the money was handed
lover and Kennary cross-examined the
witness. carefully on this point.
"Gltnnan was taken over to the
| prosecuting attorneys ONCE In a pa
| trol wagon wasn't her,
Eyes. he was In the ONCE until
nearly midnight"
sYou refused TO allow Green to 60
| on .Glinnans bond.
'No. isdid not. advised him to
wait"
| led 70 bAil?s
a1e got It."
Eyes, after you got through with
him"
"Glinnan was released on bail that
night Relatives come TO the ONCE
about 8 o'clock, but they were unable