El Paso herald. (El Paso, Tex.) 1901-1931, 1913-02-18


The witness stated that he thought
there were many who had personal
grudge against Ross Not to his knowl-
edge, he said, has Ross been employed
to investigate gambling.
The ''hOldup, he aid, was nOtO-
riOus throughout the county The wit
ness said that he had known Ross about
two years He had heard the talk, he
said. that Ross had been the means OF
sending innocent persons to the peni-
Tertiary. The Western Detective agen-
cy, he stated, had been in the Mills
building for some time He knew Sny-
der and Fitman slightly.
7 know that they did some work for
the Southern Pacific" the witness said
1t was to detect the conductors receiy-
ing fares instead Of tickets Five or
six conductors were discharged as a re-
suit of their work The conductors
have an organization
The Western Detective agency was
investigating the local laws 1 only
know about the violation OF the gam
ing laws They made reports
"At the time Of this robbery were
they contemplating doing more work.
asked Mr.. Hill
Thinks Police Know Of It
II don't know" the witness replied
It have reason to believe that the gam
ing laws are being violated By proper
vigilance on the part Of the police, 1
believe that it could be prevented. /
believe the police know of it, II the
police knew that this was being inves-
tigated by the Western Detective agen-
cy, 1 think they would put it out Of
business If they could
Cross Examined
On cross examination, the witness
stated that he did not think the kra-
kauers were the kind OF people 10 use
their influence against Ross. If the
Jurors are selected from the wheel and
honestly summoned, the witness said
he thought Ross could get tair trial
c. Z. BRENNAN, special agent OF the
department Of justice, stated that ne
had heard Of the robbery. The witness
said that he had heard expressions rela-
tive to the guilt and innocence Of Ross
The impression that he gained, ne said
was that Ross was guilty. In his Opin-
ion, he stated, Ross would not get fair
trial.
Says Ross Worked for Mexico.
Il remember one case where one ex-
pressed a feeling OF revenge against
Ross" the witness said After Ross
quit the the government he was In the
employ Of the Mexican government In
that he was gathering evidence against
the violations OF the neutrality laws
The United States and the Mexican gov
eminent, to a certain extent, work in
unison in these cases
Il know very little about the operation
OF the Western Detective agency. !
understood that they were 1nvest1gar-
ing gambling and violations OF the To-
cal laws. 1t is true that where peoples
interests conflict they do not have
friendly feeling towards the one inves-
tigating," he said.
On cross examination the witness said
that he had heard the case discussed by
Mr.. Oliver. He said that he did not
know Of any conspiracy that existed in
the federal building in behalf Of Ross
The witness said that he had heard the
expression that there was a conspiracy
against Ross. The expressions, he said,
were expressions of enmity againt Ross
He stated that he knew very little
about the gambling phase Of the case
I believe If the evidence is brought
out as published, he is guilty. believe
that ne must have some evidence to
contradict that I can name two or
three honest men who have read these
accounts and do not believe that Mr.
Ross is guilty. Mr.. Oliver, Mr.. Stevens
and think, Mr.. Hildebrand expressed
that opinion to me"
The witness stated that he had read
several accounts in The Herald about
gambling in FL PasO.
Ike AIderefe n Witness.
Ike Alderete testified. I know Mr.
Ross He was instrumental IN the case
that was pending against me in the
federal court have done nothing 10
use my influence against Ross. have
not discussed the case.
Is Not Prejudiced.
Il have no prejudice against him"
the witness said, on cross examination
4 have been acquitted I don't believe
I had much feeling against him at the
time. I would be willing to sit on the
jury and try the case against him &C
cOrding to the law and evidence. / do
not know that he is guilty. Yes, have
been elected, and came pretty near be-
ing elected the last time. As to my
popularity, Henry Kelly can tell you
about that / guess have lost my pop
ularity. ] have retired don't think
that my friends would be prejudiced
against Ross. 1 think that an Ameri-
can citizen has too much regard for his
oath to be anything but a fair juror"
". D. Howe said he was 8 lawyer
md HnT f.
His term as district attorney, he said,
expired in 1910. He estimated that there
were approximately 5000 qualified
jurors in the county
Thinks Ross Could Get Fair Trial.
The witness stated that he believed
Ross could get fair and impartial
trial He said that he did not think
the occupation OF Ross had prejudiced
people.
AFTER the evidence came out at the
examining trial, there were many" the
witness said, who said Ross could not
be guilty because he must have had a
stated that Ross could not have a fair
trial or those who read the evidence OF
the trial in the newspapers. 1 do not
think they are right"
Edwards Is States Witness
The first witness for the state, sheriff
Peyton ]. Edwards, said he had been
sheriff Of the county over two years
There were 1000 qualified jurors in the
opinion, he said, Ross could get a fair
and impartial trial
On examination by the defence, |
the witness said that public sentiment
was almost law. He stated that might
be one of the reasons for having higher
courts The majority Of the people he
had heard discuss the case. the witness
said, believed Ross was guilty
Asked If he had received cOmmunica-
tions from over the county about the
defendants, the witness replied that he
had not The witness said that he did
not know of anyone who had not heard
Of the case, but knew those who had.
Knows Of No Conspiracy.
Asked if it would be impOlitic for a
man to get on the stand and say that a
fair and impartial trial could not be
had in the county. the sheriff said that
he would feel no delicacy in saying
that, If that was his belief
The witness stated that he and Ross
had always been on friendly terms. and
he would not consider it a reflection
on the county or city officers il Ross
could not get an impartial jury The
witness said he did not know of any
conspiracy against Ross.
Barney Early, who testified that he /
was in the detective business" stated /
that he thought Ross could get a fair 4
and impartial trial.
On cross examination the witness
stated that the majority Of those per-
sons he talked to thought Ross was in