South Bend news-times. (South Bend, Ind.) 1913-1938, 1913-08-14

MOTnlnE-boN SCOUTS Ira
matte Interpretation. The Re
turn Of Peter Grim.
Acknowledgement. Florentine
Trio. Lecture, Traitors to JUS
uce" Hon. Marcus A. Kavanagh.
Evening-Drama She Stoops
TO Conquer, the Ben Greet Play
Featured by the seidel-B ede debate
cn socialism and the wonderful in
terpretative readings by Miss Isabel
Garghil Beecher, the second days
program Of the Chautauqua easily ex-
celled the first days and drew larger
crowds. They were aided by the
Concert University Boys quartet. Top
liners, the Ben Greet players, Kryl's
band, Judge Kavanagh ami Dean
Sumner. are expected to fill the tent
on w. Colfax av.
The debate Wednesday night be-
tween the ex-mayOr Of Milwaukee,
Emil J. Seidel. and the trailer OF Col.
Roosevelt last fall. J. Adam Bede ex-
congressman, proved highly entertain
ing and also Instructive. IL was con-
ceded by all that the wit and humor
OF Bede was worth the price OF ad-
mission alone, while the convincing
lOrSc OF Seidel and his clear presenta
ton OF facts was an added moneys
worth.
Each speaker was allowed 90 min
utes for an opening argument, then
sessions OF ten and five minutes for
rebuttals Seidel opened with a pre-
sentatiOn of the principles and theor-
les OF socialism, emphasizing the
point that socialism is the next step in
the evolution Of human progress. In
brief. ne outlined the progress of
civilization, beginning with what he
termed the period of barbarism, then
feudalism. next capitalism-the pres
ent stage-and next socialism.
In the stage of socialism he held
that the creed OF socialism is not the
literal adjustment of property as
charged by opponents of the princi-
pie. but the right of abOlishing prop
erty as a means OF exploiting capital
anA capitalists: a fair and equal dis
tributiOn among all men.
socialism aims at production for
use. not for profit" he said. Civil
ization is merely an economic evolu-
tiOn at work since time began and
clearly tending toward socialism"
The five points OF his argument he
summed as follows: All economic
evolution tends TO socialism; prOduC-
ton for use, not profit; social units
shall have the moral and economic
right in the distribution of all prop
erty; economic freedom; capital does
socialism will.
Bede followed Seidel and immedi-
ately opened an attack of sharp wit
and humor on Seidel's argument that
won roars Of laughter and rounds of
applause SeideHs argument, he said,
reminded him Of how Uncle Joe Can
non described Mother Hubbard
dress: IL covered everything but
touched nothing. Bede maintained
that seiders principles and theories
would fail TO work for the simple
reason that human nature would rebel
at the thought Of one man working
for the rest OF his fellows. which he
said socialism amounted to. Social
ism. he held, would destroy the in
centive for initiative and individual
effort.
Not How TO Use It.
In following up his Illustration
about the Mother Hubbard dress.
Bede said Seidel told what socialism
is. but not how to use It. Socialism
tends TO bossism and pauperism. he
said. while individualism and circula-
ton OF money would be destroyed.
He predicted the greatest panic in the
history OF the country II socialism
ever secured a hold. Following So
Cialsm. he said. would come anarchy
then empire. Then history would re-
peat itself and a revolution would fol-
low and republic form of govern
ment would again be set up.
In his rebuttal, Seidel drew a big
laugh when he turned the Mother
Hubbard joke on Bede by saying
Bede touched everything but covered
nothing. In answering Bedes charge
that pauperism would follow social
ism he asked TO know what the
granting OF pensions TO old soldiers
amounted to- AS To the charge that
circulation would be stopped. ne as
serted that more business Is being
done now by transferring of ac-
counts than there is money in circu-
lation. Yes" said Bede in answer.
but the stun is behind IL in the
United States minis which would not
be the case II socialism were at work
Then the stun would be tied up in
somebody's sock at home"
BeCie I'm Come Back.
Although each man left no oppor-
tunity pass 10 direct singing shafts
at one another. the best OF feeling
prevailed between the two. In con-
clusiOn Seidel thanked the audience,
the chairman and the Chautauqua as
ISOLATION and Mr.. Bede for amusing
the audience" Bede came back like
a fash. Naturally Mr.. Seidel thanks
me Tor amusing you, knowing full we'll
that would l not do so he would have
no crowd here 10 listen TO his argu-
ments"
Miss Beecher's Interpretation of
The World and His Wife" a Spanish
drama, won hearty praise Her arts
tic delineation OF the four characters
or the play proved a bit OF EXQUISITE
work. the audience composed largely
OF women. following the thread of
the plot with ease.