The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1913-06-07

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well how did you arrive at tho con-
Clusion that the PRESIDENT does know
pursued Senator Walsh.
81 am not assuming that he knew
retorted senator Townsend. II have not
intimated that he did thought prob
ably you would find out about this on
this committee. that that would he ono
Of he first things you would do"
But | understood YOU to say that
the lobbying that had come under your
consideration was some undue influence
exercised hy the Executive over tn"
members Of Congress"
Senator Townsend insisted that that
1! was the case. Senator Walsh there
upon dema ndcd that Senator Townsend
! name any single senator who had been
subject To the Executive influence.
NO" said Senator Townsend. II do
| not want to do that because think
! YOU know Of It as we'll as | do. | do
not want 10 mention them. think
' there are Senator's who do NOT believe
| the hill as II comes from tho House is
such a hill as 1t ought to- be- That
statement has been made hy Democrats.
| It has been said by some Democrats in
subcommittee meetings that they
would not put sugar on the free list
that they do not believe it ought to he
\on the free list; hut the hill being an
administration measure they should feel
obliged to vote for II unless they could
secure change in the Democratic
caucus"
Senator Walsh. who had taken the
examination Of Senator Townsend in
lhand. was disposed to infer that Sena-
tor Townsend was critlcisinC tho proc
I esses Of the lobby committee. This
Senator Townsend disclamed, but he
did regard inquiries into Executive in
reference as within the scope of the in
quiry.
Thinks Any Influence May Re- Bad
1T is my understanding" he added
that this inquiry was founded on the
proposition that some undue influence
was being exerted upon the members
OF the Senate and I would want 10 find
out what that there is. because there
are two sides to all these questions. II
is not safe for Senators to assume be-
cause man Is in favop Of protective
tariff that he l. dishonest. any more
than 1t is safe Ia assume that n man
who is in favor Of free trade IL dis
, honest. There are two sides to the
sQuestion and the influences that are ex-
ierted on either side may he equally
bad"
Senator Reed endeavored to get from
the witness a statement Of fact regard
, ing the Senators with whom patronage
was being used as an induCcment for
favorable votes on the tariff bill Sena-
, tor Townsend lodged this issue. reter-
ating that the Presidents interference
with the tariff measure had been va
riously discussed in conversations and in
the press. He insisted that the ques-
tion Of Presidential pressure should be
taken up with the Senate Democrats
who were evidencing "A disposition to
switch from their previously stated po-
sitions on tariff questions and were lin
ing up for a tariff hill that did not coin
eide with their known and publicly cX-
pressed convictions.
SIN Iusista Tie II Right.
senator Townsend reiterated his be-
lief that the Presidential reference 20 I.
lobby had resulted in holding several
falterns Senators in line for the entire
bill and against mendments.
At this time senator Walsh intro
duced a motion which provided for the
recall Of witnesses who had previously
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