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New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19

was that he did what he said he would
do. and wasn't the least bit surprised.
The club feeling and spirit among the
athletic members Of the New York Ath-
letic Club has been gradually growing
to such en- extent that to-day the men are
all working as one, and every man Is
deeply interested in the welfare OF his
eliminates. A condition OF this kind Is
essential to club In order to produce
winning teams, and the New York Ath-
letic Club track team IL now on the high
road to achieve the successes OF the Mer-
curry Foot Club. which few years ago.
was inyincible.
II Emil Muller. the star discus throw
er OF the Irish-American A. c., does de-
eide to quit that organization. Pat Con-
ways team will be a loser to the extent
of several points In every meet. Muller
has been the most consistent discus
thrower the Irish-American A c. has
had since the days OF Martin Sheridan
and his loss would be keenly felt.
At the close Of the New York A. c.
fall games Bernie Wefers got the sur
prise of his life. 1t was when the men
had finished their competitions and were
all sitting on the porch at the training
table that the party took place. Ber-
ME was called in and told to stand az
one end of the table to listen TO little
story. whereupon a member of the team
arose, made a little speech on behalf or
the bows, and presented him with a
handsome winged foot stickpin made OF
diamonds and rubies. 1t was token OK
appreciation on the part Of the athletes
for the efficient work which he has &C
complished during the last year.
Harry Kersberg. the former star Har-
ward and New York Athletic Club ham
mer thrower, was in town not long ago
FOR short visit. Harry has given up
track and field athletics for good. and Is
now doing considerable football coach
ing in one of our large preparatory
schools.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
NO SOLACE FOR MICHIGAN
Aggies Crush Wolverines in
Fiercely Contested Struggle.

Ann Arbor, Mich. Oct lS.-The Michi-
gan Agricultural College football eleven
defeated Michigan here this afternoon by
score OF IL 10 I. II was a desperate,
gruelling struggle. II was the first time
that the agricultural college has beaten
Michigan on the gridiron.
Punting and line plunging had much to
do with the victory OF the "Aggies." In
both departments they excelled. In the
first period battering ram attack quickly
brought them to a touchdown; another
came in the third period by similar plays
and Michigan fumbles. Michigan scored
in the final period after getting within
striking distance when NJ. A. c. fumbled.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
GIANTS IN EXHIBITION GAME.

Hackensack.. N. j.. Oct. ia team
partly composed of the New York Giants
played an exhibition game here this al
ternoon with the Oritani Field Club. ana
the Giants won by a score of TO !.
Rube" Schauer, pitcher: Arthur VIII
son and Hartley, catchers. were the only
GIANTS on the team, Wilson playing snort.
Myers, the Boston Braves first baseman.
covered that bag and "Cy' Seymour
played in centre. Chalmers, Boston
pitcher. played right field.
Press, a pitcher. OF Englewood. struck
out the entire side OF the Giants In the
eighth inning.
The score follows:
Giants. i Al o OF
ontani. o ! o OIL
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
OLIPHANT SAVES PURDUE
Makes 70-Yard Run for Touch
down and Ties Score.

lafayette, Ind. Oct. ls.-Purdue's foot
ball team tied tho score with Wisconsin
in the last period OF the game here to-
day. when Oliphant made sensational
seventy-yard run for a touchdown and
kicked the goal that ended the game With
tho final score at TO I.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
RUTGERS SWAMPS HOBART.
[By Telegraph TO The Tribun

New Brunswick, N. j.. Oct lS.-Futgers
overwhelmed the Hobart eleven here this
afternoon by a score Of n to O. ,'alman
scored the first touchdown after one min
ute Of play He and Bracher did most OF
the Rutgers scoring. In the third period:
Talman varied the scoring with held
goal from the forty-yard line. Taree OF
Rutgerss touchdowns were made on Ions
forward passes. In the second half Rut.
gers used many substitutes.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
sCHOOLBOYS BEAT RIVALS
Commerce High Cubs Swamp
Polv Prep. Second Eleven.

The High School Of Commerce CuoS
outplayed and defeated the secohu 'e""'
Of the Polytechnic Preparatory Schoo. az
Poly Field yesterday morning. The score
was 26 to 0. Commerce held the upper
hand from start to finish. and was never
III ne frst half Poly made game,
IA apbt of IL. and held the Orange ana
uaIo tasm TO one touchdown, but superior
Weight told in the second half a ana SGm
in ', ~ Dietary assured, the Commerce
, m1rn t threw all its substitutes into me
tea.n I'D used twenty-four boys In all.
T Tbe second string men in no way weak sax
ened the offensive stremsin' t he' fourth r
TOO, scored a TOUCHDOWN III ''e iou' ~
period. .s,ou,s.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
TRINITY PLAYS TO FORM
Has Little Trouble in Defeating
Amherst Eleven.
fBy Telegraph TO The Tribune.

Hartford Conn. Oct 1S.-Amherst was
defeated by Trinity here this afternoon by
a score of IA TO 0. The game was the best
that Trinity has offered this season and
one OF the best ever played on the local
field Only one tumble. and this not
serious one, was made by Trinity.
On the kickoff in the second half Hua-
son swooped up the ball and carried IL
hack through a broken field 80 yards. ana
on the next lineup made 20 more 10
where Kinney missed field goal.
grba summary follows:
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
~ ~ L. lineup follows:

Touchdowns-eundt6SiTn % h. a' su6stilatesDe
from touchdownsICu rince s'J for DE Memo. Car
Memo 81, Tor r Sfe: Berhman for Quinn; Eige
Sci" for w Glfs S'e%s. iS
Teaney. ,.a', for schwartz. Quinn for Elge.
sentner;, cor PsTkinton. Parkinton for sta n
ssS for ToE s1g po MslnasS Trsms
schwaftiz"sppIrs sn IJmpire-Garvin, New York
layi rS Time OF periods-Four Of ten min
utes each.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19

Drop kicks-Bunker, Enrisht' Goal IRON
,,as ,erh Referee-Dr. Hull, Now h9ven.
I-mpire-C7ark. Syracuse ..,,
Srbstitutions-Exeter: Kelly for Hutchinson.
McDonough for Kempton 0uieley TOT M,, EnIisn ~
Wbi,,iesey. Smith for Mcintosh Bunker for
Eas,on. Iagore for Bunker Wiley for Lelsen-
LIS, ,ys o. csvre Smith for Mcintosh. Bunker
for M.tcalf, Lasore for EastOn. puryea for
Bentley.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19

Touchdowns-CoTnish ~, hho"fs, b
Wheeler. Goal from ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
Goal. from standardization 90, AIMS
worth Substitutes-Stillman for Pendletoh'
Hammer for Cornish. Roberts for carter
Guernsey for Wilson. Castles for knowies
Wheeler for Ainsworth. Avery Tor brahh' Mss
Tor Ketchsm. Bianco for Frank Green. Kuhn
for Flick. Crawford for Ready. Becker Tor
Grumhack johnson for Mccarthy. MCCARTHY
for sawtelle Flaherty for Scrhggs. Time OF
periods-'Two OF thirteen ard two OF twelve
minutes Referee T. Pendleton. Bowdoin;
Tmplre-R +. GIinder. Pennsylvania. Head
unesrnan-E. S. Land. Annapolis.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19

% Togehdowns-Maxweil 90, Young t@' s nhsN
tutes-IawrenceviIle; Franzheim for Shenk
Jackson for Franzheim. Franzheim for Kuoesa-
men. McSaw for Kaufman. klmmel TOT III ne
1aw Tome: Hill for Savage. Kerr TOT IT,, IT,.
man. Harvey for HILL Referee-Crowiey' Bacon
College Umpire-Maxwell, Swarthmore. Head
Columbia. Time OF quar-
ers-Eleyen minutes each.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
The lineup follows

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS Moore, Fo"ers ~"<'s
from touchdowns--<irunow Cd
for Crunow. Grunow for Gottschaldt- Powers
FOR Snow Gottschaldt for Chrtstgau
Stuyvesant-Sinclair for McMillan, Dcrcn &c"
Hsmmerschlax Dillon tor McGuiness
Referee-Fitzpatrick. Fordham. Umpire
NcEiroy' Cornell Llnesman-Smith. De witt
Clinton, Time--Periods Of II minutes.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
YOUTHS IN CHESS MATCH
Boys High School Begins Sea-
son with Victory.

The Brooklyn Boys High School and
Tho Eastern District High School opened
the annual championship chess series OF
the Brooklyn High School Chess League
q, the boys' branch Of the Bedford Young
Mems Christian Association yesterday
OF the four games played three were won
by the Brooklyn High School champions
the fourth game, at the second ooaro'
being left undecided.
The summary OF the matches follows:
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
IRVING BEATS HORACE MANN.

irving School. of Tarrytown. defeated
the Horace Mann School eleven In their
annual football game at Columbia OVa
yesterday by score OF rs TO y.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19

Touchdowns-Smith. 2. Goals from Iou,h
downs-Kinney, 2. RefereeIHerr; D arta,IIos,
,rrinItv. and Hiram. Amherst Time-foui
twelye-minute periods.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
COMMERCE RUNNERS FIRST
outclass Harriers from Bar.
ringer in Dual Contest.

The High School OF Commerce cross
oourtrv team easily defeated the Bar
r,,gnr High School, OF Newark. in dual
r"n at central Park yesterday. by
score OF 10 TO 40.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
The lineup follows:

Observation-Disclosures, Quaintance. Satety-
Wettner Gals from touchdown-PattersoI
~. Referee-Ieslie. Umpire-Bauman. Head
Time-Quarters OF IL min
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
The lineup follows:

substitutlons-LlsKeh TOT ~, - Corain.
,Jnowitz FOR Hamburger, Johnson ior o0'u''
WeInhammer for Guidone. al. <-or,
NEUTRALITY-SUSPICIOUS.. Brausman Goals from
touchdovn-Becker x.,,,. rr-,rt-.
,,,br Cornell Head linesman-Henncssy'
rIuttoe'' r,irne-ouarters OF 10 minutes.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
DORMAN-MADDEN IN DRAW
Box Ten Furious Rounds at the
Atlantic Garden Club.

Jack Dorman. the veteran OF The Bronx,
and frankie Madden. former champion OK
the Bowery, boxed ten furious rounds to
a draw at the Atlantic Garden Athletic
Club last night. The bout was WILD
smuggling match from start TO finish and
had the crowd standing on their chairs
Madden started with all his oldtime
fury. forcing the fight, and fioored Dor
man with q blow on the jaw in the third
round. The Bronx boy, however, leaped
10 his feet none the worse. From the
fourth TO the eighth round he had much
the better OF the so. Madden rallied
strongly in the tenth round. and boxed at
top speed until the final bell parted thu
boxers.
Public opinion was divided at the end.
but It was the consensus that draw
would harm neither.
Young Mike Donovan. son OF the former
middleweight champion OF America, out
pointed Bill Grupp. tho veteran OF 81.
Louis. In a slashing ten-round bout at the
Paramount Athletic Club last night. Dono-
van boxed with rare skill throughout.
landing cleaner and harder blows. and
won BY a decisive margin.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19

Re,eree"Mr. Tufts Head iinesman-ir'
Newton. Time OF qyarters-Ten minutes.
eubstitutions-Ar1ny: Jouett for Mnrhoe'
Markoe FOR Jouett Packard Tor WEIne'
o'Hare for Packard. wynne for o HARE, re-
rick for Meacham. Meachim tor ,tTasn
NcFvan for Waddell. Herrick FOR Jones. Jones es
for Herrlck. Larkin for Weyand' WeysnG ,, ao'
Larkin Merrillat for Hoge, Hoge for MGrrn' a.,
Nerrillat for Hoge, Priehard Tor Doe, III WodU-
,op '" Hess for Boots. Boots for Hess; Hooker fSs
for Ford. Ford for Hooker, !Anphier Tor fUIa.
woodruff for IAnphier. Hobbs FOR I'r co.
Colgate: Seton for T. Sullivan, McLachhn ~, 1T
sstson r0ovyier for Brooks. Bond for IL. S1ll-
var. Parker for Abel Abel for Parker. HOT
nins for Riley, Stuart for Huntington Eooihso or
for Olney. Doane for Robinson h~iH'e'
Sefton Gcode for Swartout
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
Yale Wakes Up in Second Half.

When the second half opened another
punting duel quickly forced the ball into
Lehigh territory ard Cornish bucked
through the line on sort OF pivot play
for a run of twenty eight yards, and was
brought down only three yards from the
goal line on fine tackle by McCary
Then Yales important attack or Lehighs
strong defence, probably a little OF BOTH
was emphasized. Four times the Yale
backs charged into the line. and four
times they were stopped. almost In their
tracks and held for downs.
Green then tried TO get the ball out OF
danger, punting from behind his own goal
line AGAINST the wind, but Cornish lodged
his way back for twenty yards and Le-
high was again hard pressed.
This time the Yale attack was more
powerful Wilson got two yards. Knowles
gathered in twelve on skin tackle play
and Cornish plunged over for the second
touchdown and Pendleton kicked the goal
Another score quickly followed. The
superiority of Knowles in punting again
carried the fight into Lehigh territory ana
when Wilson ducked through hole In
the right side OF Lehigh's line after
feint TO the left, he was not brought
down until only four yards from the goai
line. Knowles ploughed over on the next
play and when Pendleton kicked the goal
the score read "a to O.
Just before the third period ended
forward pass for twenty yards gave
Iehigh a chance for a drop kick. but the
hall went wide OF the mark
Yale began sending In fresh men as the
last quarter began. the backs Cornish
Wilson. Ainsworth and Knowles giving
way to the second set, made UP OF Ham
mar, at quarter. Wheeler, Castle and
Guernsey. The newcomers, particularly
Wheeler, added dash and life against the
fast firing Lehigh men.
Wheeler was as slippery as an eel ana
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
Continued from first page.

touchdown on the last trial. Pendie;on
kicked the goal
The second period was evenly fought
for time. but toward the end ChenoWith
fumbled a punt and Brann fell on the
ball for Yale on Lehigh's lS-yard line
The hope team failed TO take the open
ing but moment later Chenowith again
fumbled a punt and Carter fell on the
ball for Yale on Lehigh's l3-yard line
Even then three vicious assaults failed
to gain more than seven yards and win
high respect for the Lehigh defence lale
called on Ainsworth to kick neat goal
from placement, while standing on the
20-yard line. The half ended few plays
later with the hardly earned score read
ing 10 10 O.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
Little Items of Interest
Among the Amateur Athletes

was that he did what he said he would
do and wasn't the least bit surprised.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-19
The lineup follows :

Touchdowns-Prichard RobIh5oH' IA
t0uchdown-W oodrun. Gihpi'
The Twin City star. [volume] (Minneapolis, Minn.) 1910-19??, 1913-10-03
Washington on Ignoring Politics.

Because DR.. Booker T. Washington
advised against political influence In
the work of the Bordentown IN. JJ In
dustrial school some Of the northern
daily papers are interpreting the great
educators meaning to their own liking
and for the very object. doubtless.
against which DR.. Washington advised
The Bordentown school In state insti-
tuition for the education Of colored
youths So far assAfro- Americans are
concerned the remarks Of DR.. Wash
ington were not intended to mean that
they. the voting class. should fOregO
any political. civil or personal right as
citizens in order to obtain an educa-
ton. The vOtelcss citizen Is badly
handicapped person and lives In vio-
lation Of the federal constitution
whether hindered by unfair laws oper-
ated against him by those In authority
through prejudice or Of his own voli-
tion.
The Twin City star. [volume] (Minneapolis, Minn.) 1910-19??, 1913-10-03
J0HNSON'S EXPERIENCE AS
NEWSPAPER CORRESPONDENT
Give All the News Without Bias SPELLS
Success, He Says.

Commenting on the work Of the
newspaper correspondent, Franklin F.
Johnson of the Baltimore Afro-Ameri
can Ledger says:
1.-THE reporter and correspondent may
be Of great service to q race Journal
In countless ways. He Is the man who
goes direct to the people for news and
sends the same back to all the people
through the paper he represents.
"Very few race journals have as yet
seen the necessity of employing capa-
BILE reporters, and therein lies great
drawback. A paper without good news
is like salary list with an empty
treasury.
MY experience with the Baltimore
Afro American Ledger has proved in
valuable to me because my employer.
Mr.. John Fl. Murphy. has always in.
sisted that ! get all the news without
bias and as accurate as possible. His
insistence on this policy spells the rea-
son for his paper having such strong
hold on the confidence Of the people
Of Maryland. No paper can be sue
cessful without its being able to pre-
sent fairly the news and especially
that which is Of general Importance.
mot only does each paper that
claims to represent the best interests
of the race need first class reporter
in the place Of publication, but the ed
itors Of such papers should be on such
friendly terms with their brother edi-
tors In other cities that there should
be a regular exchange Of news Of more
than local Importance.
Capable correspondents are not only
needed to build up paper locally. but
In the chronicling Of those events Of
yital interest to the race where more
than ordinary ability and knowledge
are required"
The Twin City star. [volume] (Minneapolis, Minn.) 1910-19??, 1913-10-03

effort on the part Of all those who are
interested In the progress and welfare
Of the colored race. Increasing de-
mands are coming for space to exhibit
the products of the hand and brain Of
the cOlored man.
The exhibits will be displayed during
the whole ten days Of the exposition.
Special features. such as the pageant.
the congresses on religion and civics.
the concerts. etc, will be repeated at
frequent intervals. The commission Is
always ready to receive suggestions
and to give information regarding the
scope of the work to any one who COM
municates with the emancipation proc
,amation commission. 2217 Seventh
avenue. New York city.
The Twin City star. [volume] (Minneapolis, Minn.) 1910-19??, 1913-10-03

larger scale than Is true of any Of the
other state schools for our people. In
addition to this the work Of the insti-
tuition and the results attained have
been Of such character as to warrant
the greatest confidence in the men at
the head of the work.
The greater growth and development
Of the institution has been due to the
farseeing and energetic principal, Pro.
fessor Edward l.. Blackshear. who has
been at the head Of the work since
1896. Under his principalship Prairie
View has become the largest state in
stitution for colored people in the Unit
ed States.
Like many of the other cOlored
schools Of the south, 1t combines the
normal and industrial training. In ad
dition to strong normal and music
courses the following industries are
taught Blacksmithing. carpentry, shoe
and harness making, printing, tailor
ing. felt hat making. laundering. truck
farming. sewing, cooking and MILL
merry. The enrolment has increased
from 40 to more than 1000. including
the summer session.
DR.. Blackshear. the principal, was
born In Montgomery, Ala, In 1862. He
attended the Swayne school when 1t
was under the auspices Of the Ameri
can Missionary Association Of the Con-
gregational Churches of America.
Here one Of the northern teachers.
Professor J. r. Mcpherson. became in
terested in young Blackshear on ac-
count Of his love for study and books
and induced him to 60 to Tabor COL
lege. Iowa, where he lived with Pro-
fessor A. 8. Mcpherson. brother Of
]. F. Mcpherson. Young Blackshear
remained here six years. attending COL
lege and working for his board. His
benefactors are still living In Call
fornia.
In 1881 Professor Blackshear gradu-
ated and in 1882 went to Texas. where
he has been engaged In teaching among
his people ever since. A life Of sacri-
fetal effort. Of painstaking care and Of
judicious service to the people Of his
race has been peculiarly his. He
taught In the county schools Of Ellis
and BastrOp for two years. working In
the intervening fall with telegraph
gang. setting poles between Waco and
Gainesville.
In the fall Of 1888 he was elected
principal of one Of the ward schools
for colored people in the city Of Aus
tin. the capital Of the state. He
taught in Austin thirteen years. occu-
pying successfully the positions Of
principal In a primary school. principal
Of a grammar school and supervisor Of
the colored city schools.
In 1896 he was elected principal Of
the State Normal and Industrial COL
lege at Prairie View. Waller county.
Tex. Professor Blackshear In all es-
sentials is one Of the strongest and
most forcefpl educators In the Negro
race and has record Of achievements
that would rebound to the credit Of any
man. He II a member Of the National
Association OF Teachers In Colored
Schools and fellow Of the American
Association For the Advancement of
Science The enrolment at the open
Ing Of the school recently WAS larger
than ever for the first week.
The Twin City star. [volume] (Minneapolis, Minn.) 1910-19??, 1913-10-03
A NEW PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH
Dedication Service Oct. 18th.

The members of Zion Presbyterian
Church will enter their new Church
for worship Oct. 10, 1913. Communion
will be held at morning service. At 8
o'clock the following ministers will Of
ficiate at the dedicatory services:
Rev. Henry c. Swearinger, Of the
House of Hope Church; Rev. Harry
Noble Wilson, of Central Church; DR..
McCaslin, Pastor Evangelist of St.
Paul and Minneapolis Presbyter; Rev.
Maurice D. Edwards, Of Dayton Ave.
Church. The public are cordially in
vited by Rev. Geo. w. Camp, Pastor.
The Twin City star. [volume] (Minneapolis, Minn.) 1910-19??, 1913-10-03
WHY AFRO-AMERICANS ARE
LEAVING THE SOUTHLAND.
Economic Conditions and Presence at
'~ Certain Periis Principal Causes.

In an article recently published In
the Philadelphia Public Ledger Mr..
Henry w. Wilbur gives the following
az some Of the reasons why the cOlOred
people are leaving the rural districts
of the south In such large numbers.
Mr.. Wilbur says:
Whatever may be thought about
some Of the special pleading at the
Lenten meeting In Holy Trinity church
the other day the opinion expressed
that the Negroes should remain In the
south and mainly on the soil Is sound.
But the matter needs some explanation
and will have to be more carefully stud
led than 1t has been before the point
Of real elucidatiOn Ia reached.
At the present time there Ia an exo-
dus of Negroes from the rural districts
along two lines OF outlet first. from
the agricultural districts Of Dixie to
the southern cities. and. second. from
corresponding sections to the already
congested commercial centers In the
north.
The natural question is. Why shonld
L4CiC my VAou"o ~ "'t ~
be remembered. however. that the Ne
gro emigratPs In obedience to the same
motives which took the lsraelItes out
Of Egypt and brought the Puritans aud
Quaker to America. That motive was
and Is a very living desire for an i'm
proved condition.
It may be taken for granted that
this exodus cannot he stopped by mere
preachments. The Negro will not be
kept on the soil unless the causes
which lead to his eaving are remOv.
ed. In the absence Of proper economic
inducements and In the presence OF
certain perils and prosecutions the
most energetic Negroes will leave
many Of the agricultural regions Of the
south on the first opportunity.
The whole case IL not covered when
We talk about educating the Negro.
The whites also need educating. In
using this word we mean vastly more
than the removal Of illiteracy. but rath-
er an education so practical and so hu-
man that the representatives Of both
races shall see things as they are and
In their perspective.