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Evening journal., 1913-06-16
DELAWARE
IS In SERVICE
New Fishing Steamer After
MeRhaden Today Off
ChilCOteague

Special to THE EVENING JOURNAL
LEWES, Del, June 16.-The new
fishing steamer Delaware, OF the
Delaware Fish Oil Company's feet,
which was turned over to the oWners
on Thursday last by the Harlan and
Hollingsworth Corporation went into
8ctive service today and soon will be
bringing in big cargo Of menhad-
den. Word was received here ycster-
day that big school of the fish from
which the valuable fsh oil and fertil-
izer are obtained, had been seen OFF
the mouth Of the Chesapeake aud at
Chincotcague, and the steamers are
on their way to net them.
/ The Delaware is in command of
| Captain Engwall, and was greeted
with salutes on her initial run down
the river. The trip from Wilmington
TO Lewes on Thursday was delight
full, and was enjoyed by large party
OF guests, who included Richard
Reese, William G.. Taylor Colonel
and Mrs. Lewis b. Morrow, Clarence
J. Pyle and e. B. Hallam, Of Will
mington; Or. w. p. Orr president OF
Delaware Fish Oil Company; former
! Insurance Commissioner Charles n
Maull. Colonel Lewis W. Mustard, G.
Clifton Maull. Thomas r. Ingram
Captain William Maull and j. NJ. Yes
sells of Lewes, and Captain Gus
Clampitt. Mr.. Stewart and Mr.. Glea-
son. Of Philadelphia.
After compasses had been adjusted
by Captain John 4. Hand, OF Phila
delphia, the Delaware was pui
through some speed tosts over the
mile course IN the Delaware opposite
Wilmington. and showed an avsiag,
speed Of more than twelve krcts
which is considered remarkable. inas.
much as the engines had had very
little limbering William NJ. Truss
and Fred Sincock of the Harlan ant
Hollingsworth Corporation. wcrr il
charge of the mechanical department
of the boat.
Alfred d. Poole aud Dr. A. T.
Frantz accompanied the party as ial
as New Castle On the trip dowr
the bay tho party was entertained "A
/, dinner. and altogether a jolly time
was had. On Saturday afternoon Z
large party of residents of Lewe
went out on the Delaware for
cruise around Oyerfalls light ship
The Delaware has attracted much az
tention and is modern in every re-
spect. II will prove a valuable &c
quisition TO the assets of the Della
ware Fish oil Company. in whiul
many prominent Lewes residents ar
interested. The Delaware Is ihl
fourth fishing steamer In the fleets q
, the three companies organized b,
Loves residents and operating here
which are the Delaware Fish and Oi
Company. of which DR.. w. 2. Orr l.
PRESIDENT; the Lewes Fisheries Ccn
pany. Of which william G. Lohand l.
president. and tho Coast Fish o.
and Fertilizer Company. Of which D
; w Burbage is president. The indus
, try means much to Lewes. becauso o
p the scores of men employed aud thi
! wages put in circulation here. Will
the three companies are rivals iii th'
same business. there IS a friendly
feeling between each.
Evening journal., 1913-06-16
rINANcIAL AND cOMMERclAL

by the iiNsed Prcss.
NEW YORK June l6.-The stock
market opened active With slight
price changes. ---.
IT, ID. Lackey and Company say:
I'VE look for a sradual Improvement
with natural set backs, on which
stocks OF the better class should lie
bought"
c. l. Hudson and Company say;
I'VE would be extremely cautious
about buying. u would be we'll 10
take profit on purchases usde lower
down. Wait for sharp drives before
buying again"
Evening journal., 1913-06-16
MORMON MISSION WORK.

In Grace NJ. Z. Church on Friday sf-
ternoon will be feld the closing
meeting OF the w. II. NJ S. The spe-
cial topic will be Missions Among
the Mormons." The deyotions will be
conducted by Miss L. II. Hitchcock,
and Mrs. Sue Ferree will be the
hostess.
Evening journal., 1913-06-16
A WORKER APPRECIATES THIS

VIM. Morris. a resident OF Florence.
Oregon, says: For the last fourteen
years my kidneys and bladder In
capacitated me for all work. About
eight months ago began using Foley
Kidney Pills, and they have done
what other medicines failed to do. and
COW I am feeling fine. I recommend
Foley Kidney Pills."-N. B. Dsnforth,
Market & Second Sts., Wilmington,
Del.--Adv
Evening journal., 1913-06-16
James T.Chaudler. " v Siol6 :%s 81 l..
Undertaken lee s'sFS2He' es7s
DEATaN
Srssn p George
John > Ryan

srssn ? George
John-s Ryan
BNAN--In this city. ON June -. 1918,
John !. Ryuu.
Relatives, friends md members NJ the Irish
American Association. frnterual Order ~
Eagles No a. aud cmnlovcs ~ tho Pusey
and Jones Ccmnanv. are invited to attend -
funeral from his lrt~ residence 40. SOL
Market street. on Thursday morning. 81 Q
O'Clock RcGdiem mass ut the Cathedral
Interment ~ Cathedral cemetery
George widow Of William George aged
~ years.
Relatives and friendr are invited 20 attend
the funeral services A. Red Cav Crr'k
al . O'Clock lntermeni in adjoining cems
ltcry
Evening journal., 1913-06-16
PUPILS IN RECITAL

In the New Century Club this even
ing pupils of Miss Jennie T. Kantz
will give their annual recital.
Evening journal., 1913-06-16
YOUR NERVES NEED
Horsford,s AcId Phosnhntc

Especially recommended Tor physi-
cal and mental exhaustion, nervous
ness and insomnia.-Adv
Evening journal., 1913-06-16
DAILY RIDDLES.
ANSWERS.

ANSWERS.
]. he pleads at the bar
.. Catsup.
3. Catechist. (Cat-he- kissed.
4. Periodicals.
5. Nothing.
QUESTIONS.
1. Why is soprano with cold
like a ship?
2. What word can you make from
the letters In the following words:
"stand carbon?"
3. What beverage will surely
change our pain?
4. Change what made Wilson
president into something found in
every home.
3. Behead part Of a vessel and
leave a fish.
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such being the case. there is no rea-
son to doubt that the results here in
Delaware will be as far reaching, In
their effect. as they have been wher-
ever this system has been adopted.
We will then see that in which all
rejoice Brighter and Greater Del
aware"
Evening journal., 1913-06-16

The Wants arc close at hard
make full use of the Wants-Adv
Evening journal., 1913-06-16

n happy. prosperous. contenled
and Independent people. they pursue
As'r daily vocations with the same
The Daytona daily news. [volume] (Daytona, Fla.) 1903-1926, 1913-02-08
THE DE SPLAND

Mr.. and Mrs. NJ Cutler of New
York will spend the remainder Of
the season at the Despland.
Cole Danley, Florida passenger
agent of the N. C. & St. L. railway,
is guest at the Despland for
few days.
Mr.. and Mrs, J. C. Cheney, guests
of former seasons at the Despland,
are here for a several weeks stay.
Mr.. and Mrs. Geo. B. Gordon and
Mr. and Mrs. David Gordon Of
Hazardville, Conn, who have spent
several winters at the Despland, are
here for the rest of the season.
Yesterdays arrivals included Mrs
H Nebeker. Clinton, Ind; DR. and
Mrs R S Toombs, DR. Perry Toombs.
Memphis; Mrs Emile Operlyn, Mrs
The Daytona daily news. [volume] (Daytona, Fla.) 1903-1926, 1913-02-08
CITY HOTEL

The list of arrivals at the City
hotel for the past few days in
cludes d A Stroud, GAINESVILLE, Ga;
] C Malcolm, Knoxville, Tenn; Geo
LeMaire, Cleveland, Ohio; ] E Deem,
2unnell, Fla; Russell B Clark, Chi
cago; A ] Legg, Philadelphia; Chas
II Parker, New York; w Vickery,
Atlanta; A C Harper. Souix City.
Iowa; w P Chambers. Atlanta; H
A Graskelph, Detroit; G S McIlvaine
z E Crimes, C NJ Fowler. c S
Thornton, F Keen, F Smell, inc
Simon, Hex B Heller, Jacksonvillei
t Z Anderson, Lake City; R
Bailey, Chicago; w c Pierce, Louis
Vile; VIM H Hartman, Steelton, Pa
A N Kaufman, New York; John L
Randle, Baltimore; " G Duncan
Greensboro, Ky; 0 G Tisdale. New
Orleans; Jno Callard, Jno Ferguson
London, Ont, Canada; T B Snevely
Dayton, o; w E Knibloe, New York
Ray Moore, wife and son. Burling
ton, Wis; Isabelle Lowe, New York
Barrett G Greenwood, f B Moore
New York; J R edwin, Gainesville
The Daytona daily news. [volume] (Daytona, Fla.) 1903-1926, 1913-02-08
W E Topper, New York; Mr. and Mrs
Fl Hammond, Mr. and Mrs w NJ Me.
MILAN, w E Cloyes, Chicago.
THE RIpGEWooD.

Yesterday showed a large number
of arrivals at the Ridgewood includ-
ing Mrs S w Harper and child, Miss
Edna Areford. Wheeling; Scott
Greene and wife, Kilsela, Ill; Frank
J Schaub and wife, Chicago; Mr.
and Mrs Peter A Schaub, st Paul;
] A Munench, New York; Henry
O'Neill, ] Hamilton Dykeman
Henry Elliott, Princeton, N j.; w
Davidson and wife, Charlotte; F L
Curtis and wife, Medic, Pa; MI
and Mrs Edmund N Cook, Provi
dence; Mr. and Mrs B Frank Lem
bach, Reading; A E Golden, New
York; E McCracker, Booklyn.
A large number of young people
turned out last night for the dance
given at the Ridgewood. Thes'
hops, which are given twice a week
are proving very popular both witt
the guests at the Ridgewood an
the young dancing set.
The Daytona daily news. [volume] (Daytona, Fla.) 1903-1926, 1913-02-08
THE GABLES.

Late arrivals at the popular
Gables hotel are Miss Katherine N
Paul, Pittsburg; NJ Hardy, Buff
falo; t Appleby, Boston; L r
Sreighton and wife, FIT Wayne, Ind;
w H Kellar and wife, Corydow, Ind;
H Killringer and wife, Detroit; John
r Ried. Meadwiter, Pa; Fl Ellen
Glum, r l. Sewanee and wife, SYRIA
cuse, n Y; Miss Crafts, Miss Pierce
Binghamton, n Y; G H Schuster
and wife. Greenspring, o; NJ L
Rueten and wife, Eugene Cook and
wife, August Cook and wife, Cleye
land; DR. and Mrs D D Jones
Birmingham; o t Leneham, Nash
Vile; E P Schooner and wife, New
York.
The Daytona daily news. [volume] (Daytona, Fla.) 1903-1926, 1913-02-08
The finest resort
hotel in the world
is being built at
Sunset Mountain
Asheville, II. C.
Absolutely Fireproof
Will open July lSt
VIM. S. KENNEY, MANAGER

MR. w GROVE of St LOUIS No. building the finest
AVA the world be opened July 1913 1t will be absolutely
eproo and being built of the great buders OF Sunset Mountain
It being built by hand the odfashioned
Full of and comfort and whosomenes.
The is the hundde ehteenhole golf LINKS OF the
Asheyile Country Club and with sixty Of lawn.
The pure obtnabe anywhere pped seventeen miles, from
slopes Mount Mitchell 6ooo feet altitude Btmore milk and
exclusively supplied from Jerseys the estate OF
Mr. Geo. W. Vanderbilt 1t is doubtful this famous dairy equaia
n the world
-Four hundred onepece rugs being made Aubuson Fre
hundred pieces of the being made by hand by the
Roycrofters. The silver will be hand hammered
The plumbing material will be the finest that has been placed In
any hotel world The soil pipe has beea hydly tested and
galvanized The hot pipe $1,000 lbs weight viii be solid
brass The pipes By genuine laPwdd wrought non tested
hydrauy lbs The bathtub and fixtures all SOLID porcelain
No pipes visible anywhere No radiators be n placed
ceses under windows. No electric bulbs TO be
The Big Room what cali the lobby. 60 feet by nd
rugs N this will be worth 100000. Tie
places In If viii burn tvclve-oot logs.
For the golfers building lockers and shower 5a "a
fortyoot swimming pool Will be eScd By the st Cubs
and The players will be less than yards distant when they
areo the links
Mr. VIM Kenney Of Breton Woods n H. who las shown his
management Of The Mount Washington hotel and Hotel Clarendon
that he the peer of hotel keepers. viii manage the Inn
We eight hundred around the Ian onSUmPtye not
taken)
Especially available for northern guests the Spring Fall and Winter
going returning from farther southern for all Winter
: sort.
The Inn located the side Of Sunset Mountain, about mile from
top and only cool enough the Summer make blanket
night but protected and mid enough the Winter TO
make life enjoyable without excavation.
i GROVE PARK INN. Sunset Mountan Ashevilc. N. C.
New York Booking Office u8o Broadway.
The Daytona daily news. [volume] (Daytona, Fla.) 1903-1926, 1913-02-08
PRINCE GEORGE HOTEL.

A large party Of Boston and New
York people under the guidance OF
T. F. Rice of New York are stop
ping at the Prince George for a
few days DR.. Early of the Rookie
Teller institute and his wife are in
the party After spending a few
days here the party will continue
down the East Coast and return by
way of the west coast The members
The Daytona daily news. [volume] (Daytona, Fla.) 1903-1926, 1913-02-08
PALMETTO HOUSE

Recent arrivals at the Palmetto
are Mr. and Mrs NJ L Ross, Mrs w
w Rice. Chicago; Hiram Hunt and
wife, Greenville. Me; Mrs S H Nc
Kinsan, Galway, Me; Mrs E A
Bigney, Greenville, Me: Mr. and Mrs
E w Lombard, Boston; P H Thomp-
son and wife, North Carolina.
The Daytona daily news. [volume] (Daytona, Fla.) 1903-1926, 1913-02-08
NEWS OF THE HOTELS
THE WINDSOR.

Recently registered guests at the
Windsor are Mrs r s Beers and
child. Mrs w B Potter, Schenectady,
N Y; Mr. and Mrs III E Ryall, Sara
toga Springs.
The Daytona daily news. [volume] (Daytona, Fla.) 1903-1926, 1913-02-08

Continued on seventh page)
The day book. [volume] (Chicago, Ill.) 1911-1917, 1913-08-22
THANK you, BUT IT CAN'T
BE DONE

Milwaukee, Wis.,, Aug, 22.-After
endless mayors have authorized
numberless police to arrest slit skirt
ladies, and women with pockets in
their petticOats have filled the press
with protests against the indecency
of the present feminine mode of
dress, a Solomon has arisen in Mil
Waukee with the cure for the evil.
1t does not consist in the return
of the hustle, nor in lecture to young
ladies on the immOdesty of showing
their limbs, nor in savage arraign-
ments of dressmakeTs- is Just a
very simple remedy, but absolutely
effective.
Let men train their eyes to look
the other way"
That is the advice of the modern
Solomon, Judge N. B. Neelen, and,
believe us, if it were carried into eff
feet, slit skirts would die a sudden L.
death.
The day book. [volume] (Chicago, Ill.) 1911-1917, 1913-08-22

ATTACK ON ADMINISTRATIONS
CURRENCY BILL MADE
A vicious attack on the admins
tration's currency bill was made to-
day at the opening of the bankers
convention at the Hotel LaSalle to-
day.
The attack was led by A. Barton
Hepburn, president of the Chase Ma
tionaI Bank, New York, and chair
man of the currency commission of
the American Bankers Association;
Charles G.. Dawes, former. comptrol-
Ter of currency and president of the
Central Trust Company Of Illinois,
and James B. FOrgan, president of
the First National Bank of Chicago.
George M. Reynolds of the Money
Trust and the Continental & Com
merciaI Bank of Chicago, counseled
moderation in the bankers attack on
the bill
Reynolds has just returned, from
Washington, where he was in confer
ence with Secretary of the Treasury
McAdoo. He urged moderation be-
cause, he said, he believed the bank
ers and the administration could get
together" on the bill if no violent at
lacks on the administration were
made.
Hepburn, Dawes and FOrgan all de-
cIared that the entire convention of
bankers was with them in their ViO-
lent opposition to the bill
There were signs today, however,
that the leaders were having a hard
time keeping the smaller bankers
from signifying their approval of the
administration bill.
Possibly this accounts for the vio-
lence Of the OBSERVATION-DISCLOSURES
attasw despite the moderation" cry
of Reynolds.
CAN'T CONSOLE CHINESE LEPER
The day book. [volume] (Chicago, Ill.) 1911-1917, 1913-08-22
for him and watch his old abode go
up in smoke. His phOnograph is silent
and his bible lies unopened.
SULZER-GLYNN CASE MAY COME
TO A SHOWDOWN

Washington, Aug. 22.-The Wilson
administration today faced an ''eeney
meeney miney moe" problem in de-
Gliding whether Martin H. Glynn or
William Sulzer is the real legal exc
cutive of New York state. The post
Office department is expecting a de-
mand from Glynn for the delivery to
him of mail addressed to the Gov
ernor of New York"
Postmaster General Burleson, who
held informal conferences at the
White House today presumably on
the matter, admitted that such de-
mand would necessitate a decision
by the postofice department as to
who is governor. He intimated this
decision would afford SuIzer an OPP
portunity to have his claims tested in
the federal court.
The Thaw case may also force a
showdown by the administration.
The day book. [volume] (Chicago, Ill.) 1911-1917, 1913-08-22

CAN'T CONSOLE CHINESE LEPER
Pittsburgh, Pa, Aug. 2z.-Not
even the voice Of Chinese friends on
his priceless phonograph, will con-
sole Tee Tung, the Chinese Ieper who
for years has made his home on
little reservation at the municipal
hospital. Lee has got to move into
new house that the hospital has built
New-York tribune., 1913-11-27
DEATH RATE IS LOWER
Report Shows That City's
Health Is Improving.

News Of a cheering character has been
given out by the Health Department.
Every one in the city is growing more
healthy.
Commissioner OF Health Lederle. in
bulletin issued yesterday, asserted that
New York city bids fair to have smaller
percentage Of mortality this year than
ever before IN It's history. This conclu-
sion is based on the general death rate
during the first forty-seven weeks. Ihls
is 1871 per 1850 OF the population.
II Is shown by figures that there VIII
be about l. 800 fewer deaths reported than
last year. The autumn season this year
has been singularly free from sickness
During the last seven weeks 2'S2 cases
OF pulmonary tuberculosis have been re-
ported, as against 2,sO2 in the correspond
ing period OF 1912.
The Commissioner records show that
the diphthcria cases dropped off IL per
cent and scarlet fever II per cent.
These figures are compiled without tax
ing into consideration the increase in
population.
New-York tribune., 1913-11-27
BRAMWELL BOOTH SAILS
Salvation Army Head Denies
Story of Fusion.

Bramwell Booth, international mead OF
the Salvation Army, sailed for Havre
Yesterday by the French liner FRANCE.
lie was driven 10 the pier in an automo-
bile. behind which marched large as
serblage of members of the army, led D.
the national staff band. Among those
who gathered at the pier to bid the leader
bon voyage were many members OF the
Volunteers Of America. the organization
under the direction Of Bdllington Booth.
They made it plain that they had come
as individuals and were not assembled as
official representatives OF the Volunteers.
BramHen Booth vino was accompanied
aboard ship by his sister. Miss Eva Booth.
commander OF the army in this country,
said that his visit here had been exceed
ingly pleasant and that he found the
Americans 10 be q great and delightful
people.
AS a godly democracy" he said,
America is ahead of all the world, but
Il will lose ground unless 1t keeps that
codliness ever before It. had an ex-
cccdingly pleasant meeting with my
brother. BallinGton Booth, and hope to
see him I'm England in the summer. Since
our meeting IL has been shown that while
the Volunteers and the Salvation Army
will most likely never be consolidated.
they can work hand in hand for com
mon salvation Of man. | have been so
impressed with my visit here that | shall
surely come here again
New-York tribune., 1913-11-27

Committee, of which Samuel S. Koenig
is chairman.
The letter. including the questions given
above, addressed to the nine candidates
under consideration. read as follows:
AT non-partisian conference of the
Assemblymen-elect, held in this city on
the oath instant. representing about ifty
members of the 1914 Assembly, we We're
appointed a committee to obtain the
views of candidates for the speakershp
on direct primaries. home rule. economy
and retrenchment and revision Of the
Assembly rules. We are Informed that
YOU are at least a receptive candidate for
the speakership; and accordingly we in
vite you to give the conference exact in
formation by answering the questions on
inclosed blank. Our conference is not
committed to any candidate for Speaker
and will retain this attitude until an op-
portunity has been afforded each likely
candidate to give US his views.
I'VE believe that those represented at
this conference and others in sympathy
with its aims will control the next As
sembly, and that the man they support
will be the next Speaker. reply should
reach this committee not later than De-
cember ., as we are required to report to
our conference on December 6"
The letter is signed by S. Clinton Crane
chairman Rep), Mark Eisner Dem)'
Hamilton Fish. jr., Prog). Wilmot Z.
Knapp Rep). August l.. Martin Dem),
and Henry d. Patton Prog).
New-York tribune., 1913-11-27
SILK STRIKE PROBABLE
Paterson Workers Plan Nine
Hour Day-Lockout Likely.
fny Telegraph to The Tribune


Paterson, y. j., Nov. 96-Nith the silk
and ribbon manufacturers and the master
Overs. on the one hand, declaring they
will not grant "A nine-hour workday, anu
with Ewald Koettgen. general organizer
OF the operatives. declaring, on the other
hand. that 10 per cent OF those employed
i'm the above branches will quit work un-
less their demand is granted next Mon
day. Paterson is threatened with another
textile strike. The workers plan to so TO
work at the usual hour next Monday, and
TO quit at o'clock. thus establishing a
nlne-hour day. with or without the con-
sent OF their employers.
The United Manufacturers Association
to-day issued signed statement that
under no circumstances would they grant
the nine-hour day.
a meeting OF those employed IN the
broad silk branch OF the industry Will be
held Friday night. while the dyers VIII
meet Saturday afternoon to take ACTON
OH the demand for a nine-hour day. Those
employed i'm the ribbon-weavinS branch
of the trade have already voted for the
nlnc-hour day.
New-York tribune., 1913-11-27
KITTREDGE FOUND GUILTY
Hoboken Democrat Illegally In
terfered with Ballots.

Alexander f.. Kittredge. one of the
liettcnants OF Patrick Griffin, the Demo-
cratic boss Of Hoboken, was found guilty
I'm the County Court at Jersey city last
night of violating the election law.
on the night Of the nominating prima-
ries September %. Eittredge entered the
polling place in Grffin's district and
after rcmarking that they must make
good showing. pushed aside the judge OF
election. He then took the ballots from
the box and called them off. giving the
opposition only four votes while he al
lowed 100 votes for the organization can
didates. The recount showed 81 to ~ In
favor Of the organization.
The Election Board was Jointly in
dictcd with Kittredge. but they volun-
tecrcd their services as witnesses for the
state.
An appeal will be taken as soon as
sentence IS pronounced.
New-York tribune., 1913-11-27
PALMER AFTER SEAT OF
PENROSE IN THE SENATE
Representative Will Have the
Earnest Support of Presi-
dent Wilson.
IBy Telegraph to Tho Tribune ]

10y l'ltEl dpll 10 j i' llluhlt''
StroudsburC. Penn. Nov. 26.-Represen-
tative A. Mitchell Palmer, Of this dis
irict. will be the Democratic candidate
for United States Senator from Pcnnsyl-
vania next fan. against Boies Penrose,
the present Senator, who has already an
nOunced his Intention TO seek a re-clec-
ton Mr.. Palmer's purpose 10 run for
United States Senator became known II
few days ago. when he COnhdcd 10 some
Of his close friends that he would not
seek reelection to the lower house OF
Congress.
Mr.. Palmer will have the earnest sup
port OF President Wilson in his candi-
dacy. and It is probable that Secretary of
State Bryan and a number Of other ora
tors will be sent into his state TO help
him. Mr. Palmer was the wilson hoor
leader at the Baltimore Convention and
to him more than any other single indi-
vidual is given the credit OF holding the
Wilson delegates intact during that con-
vention.
Mr.. Palmer has been considering tho
advisability of entering the contest Tor
some time. and his decision 10 be candl-
date was hastened by the events Of tho
last few weeks in Congress. Mr.. Palmer
would like to succeed Mr.. Underwood as
majority leader, but he found that the
rule Of seniority stood in the way and
he could attain that coveted place only
after a contest that would probably dis
rupt his party.
Another reason for Mr.. Palmcr's entry
into the fight for the Senatorship ls ms
desire to meet Senator Penrose on the
stump. For several years he has been
attacking Mr.. Penrose. asserting that he
would never be in the Senate If his EEL
low citizens had anything TO say about IL