Evening times-Republican. [volume] (Marshalltown, Iowa) 1890-1923, 1913-06-02

mess affairs" said he. No one. he de-
clared had tried improperly to intlu-
ence his actions.
Senator Ashurst said no did believe.
however. that "a man named McMur-
ray" had been attempting to influence
improperly the action OF senators with
respect to preventing the cancellation
of certain contracts he (McMurray)
had with Cherokee Indians for the sale
of land whereby ne would receive S3,-
100000
He is the smoothest lobbyist have
ever seen." added the senator. HE
could carry a bundle OF cells upstairs
without dropping single one"
Ashurst Dsfiss Lobbyist"
Senator Ashurst said he considered
any man or woman a lobbyist who
"buttonholed senators or members OF
congress and urged them to vote for
certain measures or suffer reprisals in
the elections"
Il don't consider a man a lobbyist
who files legitimate articles with CON
gress about matters in which he is
legitimately interested" he added.
Senator Bacon. who followed Sena
tor Ashurst said that "out OF an
abundance of caution" he wanted to
tell the committee that he owned a
small farm in Georgia on which some
articles might be raised that were af-
fected by the tariff. sewer pipe fac
tory, a street railway, gas company
and an electric company were other
industries in which Senator Bacon
said he had some interest.
Il don't believe any of them are af-
fected by any of this legislation, he
said Il am sure I want no duty on
sewer pipe"
]. +. McMurray, an attorney of Nc
Alester. Okla, prominently identified
with Indian legislation. has contracts
with the Cherokee Indians for the SAT-
of s2,5O0,OO0 worth Of land Of which
he is to receive 10 per cent. There is
movement in congress now to annul
his contracts.
Senator Bacon said he had not tried
to influence members of the senate, ex-
cept in a general way, to urge re-
duction of tariff on articles of general
use
Little Indication Of Lobbying.
Il have not listened to single man
or heard single argument on this
tariff bill" he said. Il have received
a great many letters and circulars. l
have seen very much less effort to In
fluence legislation in this bill than in
previous ones. 1t doesn't compared in
consideration with the Payne Aldrich
bill in that respect"
No person had attempted to infiu-
ence him improperly, Senator Bacon
said, and he knew nothing of attempts
to use money for lobbying purposes.
Il don't think man who comes here
to represent an interest in which he
himself is concerned. to present argu-
ments, Is a lobbyist" said the senator.
"Neither do I think that lawyer
who comes here in a legitimate way to
represent a company is a lobbyist" he
continued.
Senator Bacon knew of no lobbyist
in Washington.
He concluded by testifying that he
had heard there are two sugar organ
izations" in Washington. one for free
sugar and the other against it.
Senator Borah is Called.
Senator Bankhead was called but
did not respond. sesSsor Borah took
the stand.
NO." was his answer to all the ques-
tions as to whether he was interested
in any industry or represented pro-
fessionally and industry affected by
the tariff bill.
II returned from my profession
when I entered the senate he said.
The senator was lawyer.
Harry Day and Mr.. Mccarthy, OF
Idaho, he said, had talked to him about
lead; Frank J. Hagenarth and DR.. Nc
Clure, officials of the wool growers
association, in regard to wool, and
several men from Louisiana in regard
to sugar. The names of the latter he
could not remember.
Senator Borah said no one had at
tempted to influence him improperly
and he had no knowledge of the use OF
money. He told the lead and sugar
mer he thought the bill would pass as
written and it was not worth while TO
spend the time discussing it.
Borah Finds No Lobbyists.
81 don't consider the men who called
upon me lobbyists" he added. They
were all men legitimately representing
industries which they believed would
be affected" He added he had seen mo
lobbyists" at this session.
Did you see them at former ses-
siors?" asked Senator Reed.
1--WE all make up our minds ABOUT
certain men that we believe are trying
to influence Iegisla ton" he said.
Pressed for names ;Senatui boz a i
said ne regarded Z" the men mentioned
bv Senator Ashurst as Interested IN
securing certain land legislation.
EX-SENATOR PALMER DEAD.