The Washington herald., 1913-07-08

anything to the contrary, which ne OLD.
And there I stood like a scapegoat and
a vicarious sacrifice between both"
Senator Reed interrupted to ask to
whom Lauterbach thought he was being
sacrificed.
ITO myself and to decency." replied
the witness. sacrificed not only In the
origin of this awful business Of ostra-
cism and four years from the affiliation
with people who had gladly extended to
me with open arms their hospitality. and
their business which was IL Importance.
And then Mr.. Lamar in his own way
and with his own detective methods had
these conversations with Mr.. Ledyard.
of which / knew nothing whatever. al
vised me of supposed telephone CONVEX
sations with Speaker Clark; and I was
impelled by this talk, with the desire OF
resuscita ton. with no greedy desire. with
no money desire. with the desire only to
be of service in carrying out this pro-
gram, which. in many respects appeared
to me to be imperative and in many
respects to be very good. and thinking
here I am going to help in a great public
function and am going to be all right
with Morgan & Co. and with Kuhn. Loeb
& Co., and to stand as I did before
and not have my profession and my
whole life ruined as II has been during
this persecution.
Lamar One Beneht.
Zone benefit that came to me from
what Lamar did in his detective way-in
his own way-was that l found out the
man who. causelessy as far as / know.
had years ago begun to undermine me
with people with whom I had been In
the closest friendship. and to that ex-
tent l was benefited"
DO you refer to Mr.. Ledyard as that
man." asked Senator Reed.
1T is self-confessed." replied Lauter-
bach.
Early in his testimony Lauterbach de-
c!ared that he had known nothing wba.-
ever Of the impersonations by Lamar Ct
Palmer and Riordan. or that Ledyard,
prior to the second conference between
and Ledyard. had talked
with Palmer. He said that when led
yard asked him II he knew Of a previous
telephone conversation he had had with
a man whom Lauterbach had requested
be not mentioned. he had thought Led
yard was referring to Senator Stone,
and just that morning, in giving him his
Observation-Disclosures which. according to
Lamar had declared came
direct from Stone representing Speaker
Clark-Lamar had declared that Stons
had talked with Ledyard over the tele-
phone the previous day. Lauterbach de-
clared that he thought it was to this
alleged conversation Ledyard referred.
Asked as to Ledyard's statement tina.
he Q.auterbach) had declared that T..
represented Speaker Clark, that he had
talked with Senator Stone personally.
that Speaker Clark knew that some such
interview would take place, Lauterbach
declared that he had made these repre-
on Lamar's word. though he
did not so inform Ledyard.
He denied that he had told Ledyari
that he had found Senator Stone a re-
liable informant as to what Speaker
Clark would do. though he admitted that
he had repeated. without mentioning
name. 4 conversation which the
latter declared he had had with Senator
Stone, in which Senator Stone is al
legged to have taken upon himself credit
for arranging that the Pujo committee
examine William Rockefeller at Jeckyi
Island. instead of at Washington or New
York.
Confused ms to Dates.
Bit by bit. in a disconnected fashion
and with many digressions, both by
members of the committee and Lauter-
bach, the witness was led through MS
story from the time he first approached
The Morgan firm with offers to call OF
Lamar and the Stanley Steel investiga-
ion until his final conference with Lewis
cass Ledyard. February last
Lauterbach continually confused his
iates. contradIcted and halr-contradictedl
himself. and clashed with the committee
over his explanations He declared
throughout that his one object was tol
himself in the good graces of
he Morgan firm. He gave the date upon
which Lamar had shown him the steel
resolution as some time in
80. after the Congressional elections
Lamar showed me the resolution and
said he intended to have IL introduced.
begged him not to introduce IT, i took
I at once to Mr.. Morgan and asked that
ne instruct me to ask Lamar not tol
nave it introduced. l thought Il Mr.. |
Morgan would ask Lamar to stop it, it
would create good feeling between the
wo men,
Lauterbach said Lamar knew what he |
was going to do with the resolution
when he gave it to Lauterbach. and that |
lie had no objection to Lauterbach's TAX
ng it to Mr.. Morgan.
Then you planned to stop II through |
lamar" asked Senator Reed.
Exactly declared Lauterbach.
Then you were not going to do It i
through influence in Congress-
Not at that time"
Lauterbach was asked why Lamar had |
hown him the resolution.
"Oh, he told me everything" he re-
lied.
Resents InsiuuatiOn.
Asked why Lamar wanted the investi-
alton. he replied that Lamar thought 1t |
vas a monopoly.
WAS it because Of his interest in the
ublic good?'
Il think very little at that time, though |
ater he said a good deal to me along
hose lines"
AT that time were you representing
fr. Morgan?"
Il had no money retainer, but I did
great many things for Morgan & Co.
'ithort money"
"Of course, Mr.. Lamar knew that you
would carry this news to Mr.. Morgan"
Yes. and he made no objection"
You thought you. could shake Mr..
1organ down. a common trick of lobby
IT'S" suggested Senator Reed.
mo. no. no." cried Lauterbach. 1.-THE
,sinuation is an insult and an outrage.
believed that Mr.. Lamar out Of his
etural affection for Mr.. Morgan would
'ithdraw the resolution IL Mr.. Morgan
lade a personal request"
Continuing, Lauterbach said that when
e spoke to Mr.. Morgan. the latter had
sferred him to Mr.. Charles Steele, a
lember Of the firm, and the latter, after
few days, had informed him that the
rm did not care to do anything about
that they courted Investigation.