New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-22
Details Of Conversation.

Hennessy proceeded then TO give the
details OF the conversation with Mccall.
which he mentioned on Monday night as
something he could not reveal until Nc
Call released him. Tho release vas In
ferred by Hennessy from the McCaIl
statement made yesterday The confer
ence was asked for by Mccall said Hen
messy. through former Police Captain Nc
Nally. a mutual friend. With the ex-
PLANTATION that while he did not claim to
be repeating the conversation word for
word. he would give 1t as accurately as
possible, Hennessy proceeded:
II asked him what compromise that
was honorable could be arranged. and he
said: 'Hennessy. don't know precisely.
"Billie"-he called Sulzer Billie
billie" has more damn fools around him
in Albany than any man I ever knew,
and. Hennessy, / am glad you are up
there. and while some OF the boys down
here do not like some OF the things you
do, | am glad. thank God, that you are
with billie
And he doesn't remember that Well,
said: Judge. now what can be done?'
II all OF you do not know Judge Mccall
or II you have not seen him In action, he
was sitting here at his beautiful big ma
hogany desk, and was sitting there
And he hit that desk pretty hard and ne
said: First, Sulzer has got TO keep his
promises When he promises q thing he
has a right 10 keep his promise, even II
he has found he has made a mistake and
the very first thing he has got 70 do is to
keep his promise TO Murphy about Palmer
for chairman OF the Public Service Com
mission OF the I'd District OF New York
II said. The Governor says that he
did not promise to appoint Palmer He
said. John. he promised II in my own
house TO Murphy That is what Mccall
said 10 me that he doesn't remember.
He promised II in my own house TO Muir
ply, and he promised II in Washington
10 Murphy and he said: The cause OF
the quarrel between him and Murphy in
Murphys house on the morning of April
IA was because Murphy told him he was
a liar In respect OF Palmer. when Sulzer
said he had not made definite promise
Suggested Arbitration Committee.
Well, | said. Judge, what are you
going to do? Let Sulzer withdraw all
his nominations from the Senate. Then
let him agree to appoint Palmer chair
man of the Public Service Commission.
Then we can have an arbitration COM
.nittee on the rest of them. And tell him
that believe that II he agrees to that
all this trouble will be stopped and 1
believe that we will accept Lynch'-'we.'
remember-that we will accept Lynch as
Labor Commissioner. II he does that
well, | said. Judge, that would be
an eternal disgrace TO the Governor II
he withdrew all his nominations and then
afterward sent in other nominations, all
OF which would be confirmed. of course.
by ARRANGEMENT. Why l said. all the
people of the state who have any conf
dence in him would leave him, and he
would be more disgraced than you threat
On 10 disgrace him now Well, Judge
Mccall said 10 me, Johnnie he said,
that is the only thing that Is going TO
save BIZ.
He said. He has lied TO Murphy; he
has lied 10 me- And you remember only
two DAYS ago Judge Mccall. in an inter-
view. said that Sulzer never lied to him
and he would believe anything he said.
Rut to-day he says he does not believe
that BIZ is a truthful man. He did yes
terday. Then he said. He has lied to me
and he has lied to Murphy. and he said.
.Damn It, why don't he keep his promises
-, ho ,,,akes themg
well. we talked quite time and l
said something about Governor sulzer
that was not complimentary to the Gov
ernor. I agreed with Mccall that the
Governor OF New York, so called. had
lot OF people around him that ought TO
he IN sanatoriums. agreed that the Gov
ernor Of New York. so called. had some
people around him who were giving him
advice that was selfish for themselves.
And we finally had talk. In which he
told me that the proposition which ne
offered me was the only proposition and
the final proposition that would be Of