Honolulu star-bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1912-2010, 1913-07-30

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Senator Walsh. Bear in mind, Gov
ernor, that have not asked anything
about what anybody has told anybody.
l have asked you whether in your ef-
forts here yourself to influence the
public mind you have come in contact
with any other similar movement on
the other side OF the question operat-
ing to procure sugar to be placed upon
the free list.
Mr.. Carter. Why, all can say Is
that a gentleman introduced me at the
Willard to Mr.. Lowry, who is suppos-
ed to represent the Federal Sugar Re
finery and who has conducted this
campaign for some little time. After
the introduction and we had left he
said: Nov, that is the gentleman who
has been conducting this icampaign for
the last two years that has been so
detrimental, or which has been oppos-
ed to us"
senator Gummins. What campaign
are you speaking Of? Define 1t. / do
not think you have given it 20 us.
Mr.. Carter / only know in gen.
eral way that there has been q cam
paign going on by the refners and cir
culars sent out Some OF them have
been fled here.
Senator iCummins. For what?
Mr.. Carter. For free sugar.
Senator Walsh. You met him at the
Willard Hotel?
Mr.. Carter. Yes; ! was introduced
to him.
Senator Walsh. Do you know Of
any Office or headquarters, such as
yours in the Colorado Building, which
is operated here or managed or con-
trolled by Mr.. Lowry or anybody else
for the purpose of carrying ON that
propaganda?
Mr.. Carter. Yes.
Senator Walsh. Where?
Mr.. Carter. Your question<included
anybody else, and have called on
Mr.. Palmer a number of times at the
Union Trust Co. Building, headquar-
tiers for the statistics in regard to
beet-sugar culture.
Senator Walsh. Is he arguing and
endeavoring to induce the public mind
to accept the idea of free sugar?
Mr.. Carter. Oh, no; but, II I'M
derstand your question, you asked me
If / knew of Mr.. Lowry's headquar-
tiers or any other headquarters main
tanned here In regard to sugar.
Senator Walsh. ! understood you
awhile ago that the beet-sugar people
were working in conjunction with you.
+ Mr.. Carter. They are.
Senator Walsh. Now, am asking
you about anybody who was working
in antagonism to you.
Mr. Carter. do not know of any
Office here.
Senator Walsh. Can you give the
committee any information about any
body who seems to be interested in q
free-sugar propaganda other than Mr..
Lowry?
Mr.. Carter. Yes; Mr.. Spreckels, the
president of the Federal Refining Co.,
was down here the other day, and dur
ing q social call / was making was
told of a conversation of his with q
lady that showed he was in favor of
free sugar. He has maintained that
he made money in operating his SUI
gar plantation in Hawaii under free
trade conditions, but he did not say
that he bought sugar plantation uTl-
der free-trade conditions and sold II
under protection conditions, and that
is the way he made his money, very
largely.
Senator Walsh. Did you meet MT.
Spreckels here?
Mr.. Carter. No; / have not met
him. The Spreckels interests have
not, you might say, been very popular
in Hawaii. Mr.. Spreckels Sr. said
when he left Hawaii last that he
would see that the grass grew in the
streets of Honolulu; but it has not
zone, so yet, but this bill may make
that happen.
Senator Walsh. The old gentleman
has been dead for some years.
MIR. Carter. Yes.
Senator Walsh. How long?
Mr.. Carter. | think five or six
years.
Senator Walsh. Do you remember
how long before his death 1t was that
he made this remark?
Mr.. Carter No; it was some time,
because he left Hawaii and did not
come back for some years. His sons
inherited his interests there, and 1t
was Mr.. Baldwin-first Mr.. Castle, and
then Mr.. Baldwin and Mr.. Alexander
that bought him out He found when
he came into San Francisco meeting
of the Hawaiian Commercial & Sugar
Co. that those gentlemen held control
of the stock and he surrendered to
them. They bought him out.
Senator Walsh You are not able,
then. TO tell us about the activities OF
Mr.. Spreckels here in Washington?
Mr. Carter. No; only that he was
here discussing the matter, and then
there was an editorial that appeared
in one of the papers, but we did not
know whether it was inspired by him.
Senator Walsh. In what paper was
that?
Mr.. Carter. In the Times.
Senator Walsh. That was on the
sugar tariff?
Mr.. Carter. Yes.
| Senator Wash. There were two oil
those editorials, we're there not?
| Mr.. Carter. ! only saw one. There