The Washington times., 1913-12-14

hearing before a subcommittee Of
the Committee on the District of
Columbia, investigating the insur-
ance department AMI certain local
insurance companies.
Mr.. Darneille under oath said:
Mr.. Lobeck was a crook, Mr.. Cary was
a CRATER, and that Ben Johnson was
absolutely insane He has also said to
me that We fmeaning the Commss-
sionersJ would get our increase Of pay
II Burieson was toting fair, but that
he was not.
Thereupon the Hon. Ben Johnson,
Before going further with this 1 feel
that / am entitled, to say something.
As to whether or not i am crazy, 1 shall
nave no argument with Colonel Judson,
or with anybody else. because that may
be true. 1 am not ready to accept for
any purpose that the gentlemen named
are corrupt. II everybody who differs
with Colonel Judson in his high handed
methods of doing things here is to be
culled crazy, I believe that nine-tenths
of the people of the District Of Column
bia would be put in the insane asylum.
TIE question arises as to Colonel judi
son as a witness, and as to his credi-
b lity as a witness. If it could be es-
credit on oath because of a lack of ver-
acity, I think that would be admissible.
If it can be established that he is
common traducer, without regard to
truth, think that would be adm ssible.
1t occurs to me, from what / have seen
ter ard others, that he is entirely too
free with the use of other people 8
names. In addition to the names just
Colonel Judson has told me.
in this room. that Mr.. O'Shaunessy,- of
the District Committee, was a common
crook.
He has also told me that another
member Of this committee, when a can
didate for reelection two years ago,
had gone among his creditor constitu-
ents and had said to them that IL he
could be re-electcd to Congress he would
be made chairman of the District Com
miitee, from which source he would
set money enough to pay his debts.
have spoken 20 that member upon the
subject and lie has asked me not to
mention his name, and in consequence !
OF that I will not do so. heard Colonel
Judson and e. G Glover sit here and
testify the other day, and I saw the |
utmost good faith upon the face of Mr.. /
Glover when he testified as to Colonel |
'udscn having told him, over and over /
again, that it had been necessary for |
him Colonel JiMson) to defend Mr.. |
Glover's good lame around the Capitol |
When in fact Colonel Judson himself !
Gas the only man that / ever heard |
1efame the name of Mr.. c. G. Glover
he did SO In this respect:
Described Glover's Methods.
Colonel Judson told me-not once but
three different times-that Mr.. Glover
had told him over and over again that
t was his way of doing things; that
ne would seek members of the Senate
md members of the House of influence
and that he would lend them money.
I desired, and would induce them
purchase property in the District thatt
he assessments might be kept down
md the improvements kept up. an
oaragingly of Mr.. Glover in that re-
'pect. do not think ever had a con- 7
'ersation with Colonel Judson of ten
minutes duration that he did not brine !,
n the name of somebody of whom he
would speak disparagingly. 1 see Mr. |
frizzell in front Of me. the president OF i
me of the citizens associations here. III
10 not think that 1 ever talked with
,oionel Judson when Mr.. Frizzell was 4
bout the committee room. or when az
which Mr.. Frizzell was interested that 4
,e did not always belittle him and ira Il
luce him. / received only q few days y
IRo from Colonel Judson o communfca- II
ion containing the names Of several
Gentlemen suggesting that they he eau u
ID to testify as to the value of the site Il
N which thej Southern building. stands d
,ne of the names was Mr.. VIII
Hill. d
Upon former occasion Colonel .Jud-
nn had told me that william Corcoran
I'll was one of the biggest fools in
own. I could not see very well how
hese two things could be true-that
'olonel Judson should tell me that Mr..
T'l was one cf the biggest fools in
own and at the same time send his
a-ne here to be Jubpoenaed to come in
nd testify as to the value of the site
pom which the Southern building
tards. IT has occurred to me that in
lew OF the character which Colonel
rdson has est ablished for himself in
ris committee. and, to my certain
out Of it, as being a COM