Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1913-08-01
CLASH
WITH LAWYERS
Another Row Marks CrosS-Ex-
animation of Martin N.
Mulhal.
WITNESS CONFUSED
ABOUT A BLACKLIST"
Qmzzed AZ to Boasts Made Regard
ing Control Of Com
mittees.

mittees.
The Senate lobby committee started out
today with another row about the cross
examination OF Martin NJ Mulhall, In
which the lobbyist members of the
Senate committee and counsel for the
National Association Of Manufacturers
engaged. Attorneys for the association
insisted that they be granted the right
of direct examination of Mulhall without
the intervention of the committee. Null
hall demanded counsel. Senator Reed
said he was against granting either re-
quest Senator Nelson said it was only
fair. The attorneys said they would be
satisfied with two hours free examina-
ton of Mulhall and Senator Cummins
declared that everything the committee
said in open session was misunderstood
and the committee took the question into
secret session.
The committee decided that the bars be
lifted far enough so that the attorneys
would have a chance to get at Mulhall by
additional examination of two hours The
committee, however, put the questions 10
the witness.
The cross examination ended after
two-hour session. Mulhall was excused
until Monday, but turned over to the
special House committee. The OvermAn
committee will turn next week to the
National Association Of Manufacturers
own correspondence files and to an ex-
animation OF its ofhciais.
Funds to Break Strike.
Mulhall swore that during shoe strike
in st. Louis several years ago F. {.
Schwedtman, then secretary of the asso-
citation, gave him 5000 to break the
strike He said about $500 was raised in
the campaign of former Representative
Watson for the Indiana governorship. He
said ~he personally did not secure any or
this money, but was present when q COM
mittee of Indianians collected the fund
Over $500 was raised while he was pres
ent. he swore.
Mulhali insisted ON making more argu-
ments with his answers. and. although
counsel objected strenuously, the COM
mittee let him run on time after time.
The lawyers began to direct the In
auiry to the National Council for In
that collector for this organization
had told him that It raised between $780,
600 and s7OO.OOO for lobby work. He
stuck to his first story that this organi-
zation, was solely 2 pagsr, one; y .s.a which
ton of Manufacturers, without any meet
ing OF the manufacturers, asked to be-
come memhefss -
witness Confused.
, The lawyers confused the witness when
they asked him about a blacklist" OF
congressman put in the record two weeks
ago. He swore then. and his testimony
was read today, that he believed the list
was made and given to him by Watson.
He was not certain Of it today, and when
the original list was produced he startled
the COMMITTEES.
..Tnis is not the list shown me referred
to in the evidence he said. He was not
asked to explain further, but Senator
Reed produced another list which the wit
ness said was the Watson list. He de-
MED that this blacklist was nothing
hut a list of congressmen who were due
back in Washington at the time II was
made. He could not explain the names
of several republicans ON the list. alleged
to have been made by the republican
whip of the House.
The lawyers wanted to know about q
letter in which MHlhall talked OF con-
ferences with Senator Simmons, present
chairman of the finance committee.
He said he talked about the Baltimore
port collectorship, although Simmons 10
from North Carolina.
"Did you know Senator Simmons well?"
he was asked.
II had a speaking acquaintance with
him."
Members of the committee said this
conference was evidently about some
other matter and Mulhall confessed he
wasn't clear about the matter.
Questioned About Boasts.
The committee began to question Null
hall about some Of the boasts he made
in his letters about naming chairmen or
committees, and putting friendly men,
hers on the committee dealing with labor
legislation.
The lawyers tried to pin him down to
direct answers as to how he expected TO
do these things, and he said he wasn't
clear about il now, but made an effort to
say Emery was to make these arrange
ments.
Mulhall came to the case Of Repre-
sentative j. T. McDermOtt OF Illinois
and was questioned CLOSELY aDout ms
House and his efforts to help him in
his 1912 primary campaign. and 1t de-
veloped that the lobbyist" had not
been in the employment OF the Ma
tional Association or MANUFACTURERS
Mulhall swore that he gave II.
McMichael. one time chief page OF the
House, in his Baltimore home. the sum
Of sloo half OF Mcnarmott Mnsrn was TO. 70 20 fsv
yers started to ask about an interview
between Mulhall and McMichae1 In his
baltimore home in June. 1912. at which
somebody was in a closet to listen to
conversation about this money, but did
not develop the subject. Mulhall
voiunteered that the 800 was Nc
Micha els salary, but when the fact
was recalled that he had left the asso-
ciation months before he said the date
was wrong.
Testifes a. to Secret Room.
Coming to the secret room" which
MulhaIl said he had secured on the first
floor Of the west front Of the Capital. 4
mart Of a letter was read in which the
witness said II was once used by a promi-
nent member of the House who had gone
over to the Senate.
sWho was that MEMBER" he was
asked.
sI'ln not just clear about that now"
Counsel insisted that he tell the men,
her . name, but Mulhall refused to change
his answer or to amplify it in any way.
Counsel brought up the contradiction In
the testimony OF Mulhali about his al
legged offer Of the correspondence to
Samuel Gompers. Once he swore he Of
fered the letters to the labor leader and
once he swore Gompers tried to get them
from him.
MulhaIl got excited when his testimony
was read and began to object.
Hes making that for the press he
shouted.
Chairman Over1nan pounded on the
table for order
"If i have to call you again." he said