New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-31
WHEN IS A BIG BOSS?
MURPHY GIVES A TIP
ModestIy, and Without Vain
glory, He Tells of Time
When He Wasn't.
PROVES EVEN TALKATIVE
II Really Was for Gaynor, He
Says, Smiling Broadly
Refuses to Say He Be-
lieves Sulzer Crazy.

IF ! am the boss said Charles f.
Murphy Yesterday, that was one time
when wasn't the boss"
Mr.. Murphy referred to the conference
at Delmonico's when Edward L. Mccall
was nominated for Mayor-the meeting
It the round table Of the eight men whom
he late Mayor Gaynor characterized "a
II "the stripe who would cast lots Tor
the city's garments" Murphy said he
had favored the denomination of Mayor
Gaynor at that time, but FINAL. gave
way to the prevailing sentiment Of his
conferrees.
The Tammany Hail leader asserted that
Herman a. Metz, candidate for Controller
on the Tammany ticket, was right when
he said that he. Metz, was present at the
Delmonico conference, and that he, Muir
ply. wanted Mayor Gaynor renominated.
II don't dispute Metz" said Murphy.
He was right. He was there. and ne
knows that ! was for Gaynor."
will you say yourself that you were
for Gaynor?" Mr. Murphy was asked.
Yes: that is correct" he replied. Il
really was for Gaynor. So was Mr..
Smith" Referring to Thomas F, Smith,
secretary of Tammany Hall)
Then you permitted the prevailing
opinion of the leaders to determine who
should be nominated that night?"
Yes" said the Tammany leader. slow
~, "and. II 1 am the boss, that's one time
] wasn't the boss"
1T was the same way at Syracuse
Murphy added when Sulzer was nomi-
mated.
Asked how the situation looked to him
at this time and If he thought Mccall
was gaining, he said there was mo ques-
ton Of the result"
Il don't think Judge Mccall ever lost
much" said Murphy. These charges BY
Hennessy and Sulzer don't change votes.
In McClellan's first campaign we had
more mud Singing than in this one. We
had red lights, Tammany crossing the
bridge, white slaves every one grating,
and still we won by 5000"
When asked about the Sulzer story that
Mccall went to Albany to try to call off
the Hennessy graft Investigations, telling
the Governor that the impeachment pro-
ceedings would be dropped if Hennessy
stopped, and that he had been promised
the chief judgeship of the Court of APP
peals. Murphy said;
That is ridiculous and absolutely I'M
true"
Mr. Mccall says that Sulzer has a dis
ordered brain; what do you think" Mr..
Murphy was asked
Il wouldn't ',ant to say. although
have my own opinion" he replied, with a
broad smile
J. Sergeant Cram at his home in Old
Westbury, Long Island last night, said
he heard after the Syracuse Convention
that Murphy stood out against the dele
gates for the denomination Of Governor
John a. Dix.
Il did not see Murphy at the conven-
ton" Mr.. Cram said Il left in disgust
on the first day because / saw that Sui
ger would be nominated. and l was de-
termined not TO vote for him. 1t was
foregone conclusion that Sulzer would get
the nomination.
Il had no talk with Murphy at any
time about the nominee. and IL was not
until after the convention that ! learned
OF the fight Murphy had made TO have
Dix renominated. for Murphy thought
that Dix deserved a second term. But he
could not overcome the clamor from some
of the people, and some Of the news
papers, for Sulzer."