The daily banner. (Cambridge, Md.) 1897-2008, 1913-06-04
PENROSE SCOUTS
LOBBY TALK
SAYS He Never Knew Of Inn
proper Influence.
GIVES LIST OF IFS NAMES
Tells Senate Committee Work o.
Manufacturers Agents on Tariff
Legislation is Legitimate.

LEGISLATION is Legitimate.
Washington, June 4-Senator Pen
rose told the special senate committee
hunting for '.the numerous and insid
ious lobby" that in his sixteen years
experience in Washington he never
had known of any attempts Improperly
to influence members of congress.
He gave the names OF 175 persons
who had called on him since Jan. l in
regard to the tariff, but declared that
none were Lobbyists" in the general
acceptation of the term.
Its we'll known that certain inter.
ests have agents here" said the Penn
sylyania senator, land | suppose they
are paid salaries. They evidently get
information for their organizations,
Their work is perfectly legitimate.
~ have seen Mr.. Burgess for the
pottery interests here for years and
Mr.. Brown for the cotton people. Their
work is perfectly legitimate, SO far IS
know. My opinion is that the lobby
ist is principally thing of the past.
Congressional committees pay little
attention TO them now"
Penrose thought that probably Win
throp l.. Marvin, of Boston, represent-
ed ''the wool people" in Washington,
and Senator Reed was insistent TO
learn il Marvin ever had anything to
do with fixing the tariff on wool, or
Brown with the cotton tariff.
Penrose declared that the men did
nothing more than present arguments
to senators and representatives and
that neither had anything to do with
making the rates of the Payne law.fs
Reed succeeded in developing, updl
cross-examination, that Marvin at one
time was secretary of joint congres-
sional committee to investigate the
merchant marine. .A
Senator Penrose was the livelffkt
witness of the session. Other senatdfs
testified that they knew of no undue
influences and told of their personal
interests
The long list of names which Pen
rose gave the committee was made
up of manufacturers, labor leaders. at
torneys, importers and others who
feared they would be affected by tariff
changes.
The steel industry and coal intesS
ests of Pennsylvania have had no PEI
Imanent representative in Washingtpa
for mary ears; ri + e1rOs6 'ie =
custom of keeping representatives in
Washington had sdied out ten or
twelve years ago.
He estimated that not more than 40
per cent as many persons had come to
Washington on tariff business this
year as compared with four years ago,
but reiterated that the persons in
Washington now were in the city at
previous tariff revisions.
Senator Mclean was called He tes
titled that he was a small stockholder
in several corporations, but had never
sought to influence senators because
of his interests.
Senator Dillingham; testified that he
had no financial interest in any bus-
ness affected by the tariff. He could
not remember the names of persons
who had talked with him except Mr..
Ullman, of New York, who urged that
no duty be put on green furs.
Senator Fletcher gave among the
names of his visitors G. E. Berriman
of Chicago and Tampa, in regard to
Havana cigars; G. Harold Powell, rep
reesnting California citrus fruit inter
ests, and Mr.. Davis, of Colorado and
Florida, concerning beet sugar inter
ests
Senator Fall testified that he was a
large owner of cattle, horses, sheep
and coal. He gave sthe names of cattle
men and officials of a wool growers
association who had talked with him
on the tariff.
Under cross ss-examination, Fall said
a Mr.. Burbridge, of Colorado, who, he
believed, was interested in the zinc
"trust," had talked to him. His atti-
tude was one of Indifference" explain
ed Fall. "He was not lobbyist, hon
est or dishonest"
Senator Gronna testified that he was
interested in farming and knew of no
lobbying. Il do not believe there is
any such thing as corrupt action going
on at either end of the capitol" he de
clared
He said John Crosby and Charles c.
Bovey, representing Minneapolis flour
milling companies, had presented ar
guments to him in support of duty
on flour.