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New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20
But Not on Thaw Conspiracy
Charge, Say the State De-.
partment Officials.
GLYNN BIDS C0NGER ACT
State Authorities Sure Fugitive
Can Be Returned-Canadians
Say Deportation as Insane
Man Is Certain.
From The Tribune Bureau. !

Washington, Aug. BIT is possible to
extradite Harry X. Thaw from Canada on
charge of bribery If the offence is de
fined to be the offering. giving or receiv-
ing Of brides made criminal by the laws
Of both countries" and it is also possible
for the Canadian authorities TO deport
him on the ground that he is insane or
an undesirable citizen.
This is the belief OF the legal bureau OF
the Department Of State and Of the i'm
migration authorities in Washington. No
action has yet been taken here, however,
to procure the return of the fugitive.
officials Of the State Department point
ed out that extradltlon can be sought
under the provisions OF the 1900 treaty
with England II the bribery charge
brought against Thaw end Barnum. who
is alleged 20 have aided in the escape,
constitutes a crime in Canada. But the
Canadian laws have not been studied with
respect TO the case.
There is no treaty which provides for
extradltion when the fugitive is charged
with conspiracy. There is succession OF
treaties with England dealing with extra
dition. but nothing was found to-day by
the State Department officials relating 10
conspiracy charges. This fact was deter
mined after a scrutiny Of the various
treaties. Il is understood that Great
Britain declined to include a provision
making a conspiracy an extraditable Of
fence. except where it related TO a revolt
against the master Of ship on the high
seas.
4 fugitive from justice in the general
acceptance Of the term Is also immune
from extradition unless there is q speciho
charge covered by some OF the provisions
of the treaties.
The views Of the State Department ON
Gals are based OF the treaties with Great
Britain of 1912, 1889, 1890 and 1905.
ANY request for extradition necessary
would come through the Governor OF New
vork and that would confront the federal
government with recognizing one OF the
contestants for that office in the Suizef
case No request for extradiuon was
made to-day.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20
THAW'S MOTHER WEEPS;
SAYS, 1DON'T BELlEVEIl'
Gets News on Train on Way to Summer Home
Discredits Reports, but Almost Colapses
House Ready for Fugitive.

places Of the countryside. No one was AT
the house. EXCEPT the servants when their
mistress returned. None Of the messages
awaiting Mrs. Thaw had been opened. and
some of the servants admitted they had
prepared things TO- Harry's home com
ing.
Two automobiles. occupied by news
paper men and photographers, stood in
the driveway leading 10 the house when
the Thaw car turned in. They blocked
the roadway and the Thaw chauffeur had
10 wait until they drove ahead Mrs.
Thaw was much annoyed at the delay.
Il don't think you should bother an Old
woman like this" she told the reporters.
'I haven't had a word from Harry since
7 left New York and there IS nothing |
can say"
Then. waving all further queries aside
Mrs. Thaw and her companions entered
her home. Word was soon brought 10
the newspaper men by the servants that
Mrs. Thaw was very nervous and Urea
and did not wish 10 be disturbed again.
II was said however. that she had re-
celved several messages from relatives
and friends. One was believed % have
come from Harry telling OF his plight.
Mrs Thnw lott New York at 90 O'Clock
a. m. Mrs. George T.. Carnegie. her
daughter. was AZ the station 10 see her
on Her sister. Miss Mary Copley. rode
with her on the train as FAR as North
Philadelphia. when she changed 70 so 10
Atlantic city. Mrs. Frazer Joined Mrs.
Thaw at that point.
The first dispatch In regard 10 Harry
reported arrest was shown her AT North
Philadelphia She brushed II aside and
refused TO read II. She accused the New
York newspaper men aboard Of writing
tho dispatch on the train. When II was
read 10 her she said declsively that she
didn't believe word Of Il. Later. as other
dispatches were received along the way
her attitude softencd and she appeared
deeplv affected. AZ Altoona, when the
reporters showed her n message Of APP
parent confirmation Of tho previous 70
ports. her eyes filed ana she was on The
verge Of collapse But she would only
say:
81 don't believe It, l don't believe 1t!
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20

49, s,oo Co-rospondent OF The Tribune J
Cresson. Penn, AUG. 19.-Mrs' MARY
Copley Thaw, mother of Harry ~ Nd"
ra.urned 70 her summer home Elmhurs'
cottage. here tonight a disappointed
woman. The unofficial reports OF her
sons arrest in and probably deportation
from, Canada. which she had heard on the
train from New York. were confirmed pS
messages awaiting her at her mountain
home She had steadfastiy refused 10 w
Iieve the dispatches shown TO her on tue
train. but was visibly affected and on 'he
verge of collapse when the last OF a
series Of messages, all OF Ike chaia'le''
was handed her at Altoona the last Stoi
before reaching here
ct don't believe It ! don't believe II
she kept saying. 81 know | VIII near
from Harry and that he is We'll ana saie'
put IL It is true. you may change your
plans." was suggested.
mo. I shall not change my plans she
said nositiyely. Il shall remain at my
home at Elmhurst"
a small crowd OF CURIOUS P''p'N 49,
cred al the station to witness Mrs. ina"
arrival Many of them expected 10 see
Harry Thaw with his mother accordlhE
~ the intention he expressed In his letter
~ her I'm New York. Tradesmen ana
friends. who were acquainted with mem
bers Of the family. were on hand 10 JOIN
IN the mothers happiness ana welcome
the prodigal home. The report OF the
Canadian arrest had reached the town
but no one credited It,
Mrs. Thaw arrived on the Pittshufsh
day EXPRESS at see p. m. She WAS a'-
COMMANDED only by an old friend Of the
family. Mrs. G. Frazer, OF Philadelphia
The Thaw chauffeur met the two women
al the station. and they hurriedly entereu
the automobile and sped away MIS-
Thaw nodded with wan smile TO sew
eral acquaintances in the crowd she evil
IDENTIFY was determined to cling 10 her be-
lief that all was well with Harry until
she reached home and received authentic
word 20 the contrary.
The Thaw cottage Is mile ana q
half of the village on tho crest OF the
Allegheny range. and is one Of the sho"
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20
Glynn, as Acting Governor,
Demands Return OF Iha"'

Prom staff CORES ondent OF 40. -i''--'
Albany. Aug. 19-While the Thaw case
nv the arrest Of Thaw in Canada' pasSeN
from a state TO federal matter po'-
orror, Glynn exercised the gubernatofa'
,,i,lleoe of direction over the District AZ
,ornev Of the state by wiring District At'
,ornav = A. Conger OF Dutchess County
to-day to make every possible etor' !"
80 Tbow and his associates held toF
extradition. -
Make every effort possible on your
mart IN have detained all persons now IN
custody in Canada in connection WIN tne
escape from Matteawan Of Harry n
Thaw." said Mr.. Glynn's message !"
order that they may aid the STAKE IN
Thoroughly investigating this matter anu
he punished II guilty Of comphc!'y ID
rbaw's escape" Glynn signed the mes
sage as acting Governor.
while no answer to that message was
received up to a late hour tonight N-.
conger did wire the Attorney General
oskiro advice. and received return mes
sage informing him that the CANADIAN
immigration laws might be called upoN
az an aid. ...,-.,4
The Attorney Generals Office pointed
ont 10 Conger that the Canadian Id"
proyides that any immigrant VINO enters
! canada within five years after ne has
| hasr incarcerated in an insane asylum
may be deported and sent back 10 the
country from which he came. Il Was saiu
that the Canadian authorities might IN
terpret their deportation laws so that
/
! from which he entered CANADA.
II was suggested that Deputy ATTORNEY
General Randall may be sent 70 ottawa
70 look into this phase of the ina" case
and assist the Duchess County authoH-
Ties in their attempt 10 reclaim Thaw.
| II ordinary extradition is decided upon
"a the best means of getting Thaw &c.
! turned 20 New York. il is the opinion Oh
,be Attorney Generals office that II can
no ACCOMPLISHED only after an indictment
| 90 rbaw and the men who aided IN MS
oscape. and il is admitted that the indlc'-
r,opt might be challenged successfully on
the ground that as an insane man ne
could not be indicted or held responslole
! for his act. !.
| That phase OF the question, however Is
looked upon as being up 10 the loca'
rather than the state authorities, ana II
is only II an indictment should be fout"
and his eNtradition requested that inc
state would be called upon, either through
Governor" Glynn or Governor suizel'
10 request the State Department oilclalS
at Washington to requisiton Thaws eA-
tradition. II the Thaw matter reaches
that stage, il is understood Mr. Glynh
Will send an emlssary 10 the state lie.
partment in advance, II the question oi
governorship is not settled by that tiIne'
to ascertain whether his request as ACT
ing Governor" will be recognized and non
ored by the administration.
AT present Mr.. Glynn has no pauehce
! with the view taken by some or the state
/ officials that II Thaw would go 10 Europe
II would save the state Of New YORK
money and continuous future expenditures
to keen him incarcerated Mr. Glynn
convinced that the necessary step In the
Thaw case is TO put Thaw back In Mat
teawan for the vindication Of the law.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20
THAW CASE SINISTER,
SAYS ENGLISH PRESS
Throws Light Upon the Reali-
ties of Government-Fire-
arms Makers Well Pleased.

London, Aug. 1.-THE Pail Mall Ca
zette," in an editorial on the Thaw
case, says: Making all allowance for
the caution with which the domestic
affairs of other peoples should be
criticised, the escape Of Harry Thaw
seems TO throw a sinister light upon the
realities of American government
The whole history OF this criminal is
interpreted by The New-York Tribune
as a demonstration that a murderer
with money is safe. The two trials.
the verdict Of insanity and the asylum
breaking sensation are all ascribed by
the American press TO the power or
corruption, and the scandal is height
which seem 10 obstruct recapture.
THE only person who can look upon
the whole story with a certain mordant
satisfaction is Mr.. McKenna, the Home
Secretary, who feels that some coun-
tries have to put up with greater para
doxes than the cat and mouse act"
"The Evening Standard" says: THE
immediate family will be the people
best pleased at his escape, as must be
the manufacturers Of firearms all
through the United States. Men and
women connected only remotely with
the Thaw trial are buying revolvers.
Patrons OF the picture palaces may
think that every one in America is
born with a siX-shooter in his hand.
We can assure them that our cousins
are as ignorant and as fearful OF fire.
arms as We"
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20
WHERE THAW WAS CAUGHT
Coaticook Small Town Seven
Miles from Vermont Line.

Coaticook, where Harry Thaw was ar
rested, is banking town and port in
Stanstead County Province OF Quebec,
on the Coaticook River. with popJla-
ton of about eight thousand. 1t is l22
miles from Montreal on the Grand Trunk
Railroad. and. as the crow flies about
seven miles from the Vermont border.
A dispatch from Coaticook said that
Thaw had been placed I'm the sherbrooke
Jail Sherbrooke is town OF about
fifteen thousand inhabitants. and ~ the
capital of the county of Sherbrooke, Prov
ince of Quebec
Sherbrooke is on the River Magog. at
it's junction with the st. Francis. and On
the Boston & Maine, the Grand Trunk
and other railroads. It is l0l miles cast
of Montreal.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20
Buffers Wife Disappears.

Michael O'Keefe is said 10 be "A brother
in-law OF Butler. The records at the
license bureau show 10 less than three
Michael O'keefes who are chaufeurs
Which one OF the three IS wanted by the
authorities was not determined yester-
day, so far as the records were con-
cerned
The home OF Butler. No. SIC West 9th
street, with the exception OF a boarder
was abandoned yesterday morning. Mrs.
Butler. with their five children. left early
I'm an automobile. Her destination could
not be learned.
II was denied yesterday that Butler
had attended the McManus outing on
Moday. Butler. who WAS at one time a
member OF the Assembly. was one OF the
alibi witnesses who appeared for John
Mcnamara, alias Australian Mack"
'yeggman" and bank robber. In the extra
dition proceedings before United states
Commissioner Shields some time ago.
MacNamarra was arrested at the request
of the Canadian authorities for robbing
a branch of the Bank OF Montreal a. New
Westminster, British Columbia of cash
and securities amounting to over $4,000.
The court decided against MacNamarra.
and he was extradited. He was sentenced
at Vancouver recently to nine years i'm
prisonment
The price which was paid for the I'M
lawful release Of Thaw from his con
hnement. it was commonly reported In
the "hangouts" Of chauffeurs yesterday.
was I'm the neighborhood of $4,000.
Assistant District Attorney hoenig was
In conference with Deputy Police Com
missioner Dougherty at his Office fer
over an hour yesterday. going over the
cases of the missing chauffcurs. Long
distance telephone conversations were
also held between the Commissioner s
Office and that OF the District Attorney
OF Duchess County. The latter gave all
the information he had which might be
used In finding the band whose efforts
were responsible for Thaw making good
his flight TO Canada.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20
One Employe CuIpable.

Certain newspapers. because of this
escape. have sought TO create the impress
sion that the hospitals for the criminal
insane and the state prisons were In "A
demoraized condition. This escape shows
nothing OF the kind. His being in the
yard for exercise was perfectly proper.
He escaped because a single employe out
of the 1853 at Matteawan failed To perform
his duty.
THE discipline I'm the several state pris-
ons was never better IN the history of the
state. The disturbances occurring at Au-
burn and Sing Sing were not the result OF
the change in wardens. but were due to
causes that preceded the appointment OF
the prison wardens. Fer the first time In
twenty years there Is not a cell In any
prison in this state In which more than
one convict Is confined. This has been
made possible by the fact that more than
hundred convicts are housed In camps
and are employed In the construction or
highways In the vicinity OF Clinton pris-
on. nearly as many being employed under
the direction OF the Cayuga superinten-
dent of highways In the vicinity of Au-
burn prison More than thirty convicts
are employed on the State Farm for
Women at Valetia, and nearly as many
more on the Wingdale prison site. These
men will only return to the prison TO re-
ceive their final discharge. When they
leave they will go out In splendid physical
condition. and they will have no trouble In
finding employment with contractors en-
gagged In highway construction. or as
farmhands"
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20
THAW SUMMONS 0'MARA
Prisoners Guardian Will Go to
Canada to Give His Aid.

Pittsburgh. Penn, Aug. LIT is prob
able that Roger O'Mara. guardian Of
Harry X. Thaw and former superintend-
ent of TIE Pittsburgh police. will leave
here shortly for Canada TO look after GER
tain interests OF his ward. O'Mara ie-
ceived telegram from Thaw as follows:
Am under arrest Advise"
O'Mara sent a lengthy telegram in re-
ply. In which he told Thaw to hire the
best legal talent: not to worry. ana to
feel assured that everything possible was
being done
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20
TWO KILLED AT CROSSING
New York Man and Woman In
Carriage Struck by Train.

Saranac Lake. n. T., Aug. 19.-Edward
Asmuth. OF New York. was instantly
killed and Miss Amy Maud Grubb. a
trained nurse. also OF New York. re-
ceived injuries from which she died two
houts later when the carriage in which
they were riding was struck to-day by
the engine of Delaware e. Hudson train
at n crossing on the road to Lake Colby.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20
Thaw Sure To Be Oeported,
Canadian Authorities say
fBy Telegraph to The Tribune.l

BY TcIVgIupH 10 TIC 7 I'"""V'I
Ottawa. Aug. l9.~"lf Harry Il. lna"
has been captured In CANADA he VIII "
deported as man adjudsed insane nc
cannot under our immigration laws enter
Canada" Thus spoke one Of the leading
officials II the immigration Department
to-day when told OF the report that ina.
was captured at coatlcooke, QUE ias'
night.
Mr.. verrett, counsel for the Mattea"a"
authorities, declares that there Is ~
doubt that Thaw will be deported "ha'
action the United States authorities pun
pose to take in that case he does ~.
know, as Thaw would be returned ao'0''
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20
nv telegraph to Tho Tribune.

Poughkeepsle. N. Y, Aug. 19-ristrict
Attorney Conger. accompanied by John
T. Mack. special District Attorney Of
Duchess County. and Sheriff Hornbeck
left Poughkeepse tonight III s:5l on The
Northern Express for Montreal. where
expect to arrive there, where Thaw Is
held. at II o'clock tomorrow morning.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20
HENRY LANE WILSON SILENT.

Chicago. Aug. l9-Henry Lane Wilson,
retiring Ambassador 10 Mexico. arrived
here to-day on his way to his home In
Culver, Ind. He had no comment to make
on political Developments in the City Of
Mexico.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20
Conaer Goes to Canada.

I'm order to carry out this plan II was
announced that MIR. Conger. who left to-
night. accompanied by Sheriff Hornheck,
would take letters OF introduction 10
John n. Clark. Commissioner OF Immi-
grafton OF Montreal, from influential
people II was said that he would have
among others a letter from Franklin d..
Roosevelt, Assistant Secretary OF the
Navy.
II was learned that Deputy Sheriff
Kelsey who brought about Thaw's ar
rest. recognized him on a train from
Portland, Me. going to Canada. When
he asked him If he was not Thaw, the
fugitive admitted that he was
William Hickey. the driver of the milk
wagon which entered the gate OF the
hospital Just before Thaw escaped. was
examined to-day by Mr.. Conger He told
a story that disagreed in several respects
from the one previously told by Howard
Barnum. the gatekeeper who is under
arrest for his part in the affair
According to Hickey. he already had
driven inside the hospital yard and was
two hundred feet from the gate when
Thaw ran out He said he did not even
know there had been a getaway until
he was told OF 1t later. This gave the
lie 10 Barnum's declaration that the
wagon was between him and Thaw and
served to help Thaw escape. Several
other details 1t was said, told by Hickey.
showed that Barnum had not told the
entire truth In his statements.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20
Special Grand Jury Action.

The special grand jury of Duchess
County vii meet on September ., while
the regular grand jury will meet on Sep
TENDER 8. II was said at District Attor-
ney Congers office that II was not yet
determined which body would be asked to
consider a bribery charge against Thaw
I'm case developments in Canada demanded
haste The special grand jury may he
asked to sit at night In order TO take up
Thaw's case, as the calendar probably
would not leave time for II in the regular
sttings.
II was said that In the opinion OF the
District Attorney the fact that Thaw
was adjudged insane would not prevent
his being indicted for a crime. Insanity.
It was said, could only be brought for
ward as defence to the charge which
he would have TO answer In case the in
sanity defence should be brought up. the
next step of the authorities would be to
ask for the appointment OF commission.
which would find him insane and the
action would result in his recommitment.
so. that he would be kept closer than
ever In custody.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20
THAW PLOT UP TO COURT
Prison Head BIames Inter
ference with Discipline.

from A staff Correspondent OF The Tribune
Matteawan. y. Y, Aug 1e.-This state
ment was made to-day at the hospital
by John B. Riley. Superintendent Of
State Prisons:
without rejecting in any way upon
former superintendents Of Matteawan
state Hospital, do not hesitate to say
that. I'm my opinion. the institution was
never so ably managed as IL has been
since Dr. kieb was placed In charge The
Improvement in conditions became Inn
mediately apparent when he assumed
office; employees and inmates at once
realized that tho superintendent, while
strict disciplinarian, was fair. Just ana
impartial toward all. the one exception
being that the courts interfered and re-
arlred that Harry X Thaw be shown
special privileges.
"His escape was undoubtedly due TO
this unWise interference with the inter-
nal management of the institution. Had
he been subject to the regulations II
would have been impossible for him to
have completed the arrangement by
which automobiles were 10 be I'm waiting
at the time agreed upon. Even then his
escape would have been impossible had II
not been for the gross negligence, or
worse, OF an employe who had been
counted as one entirely worthy Of the
confidence Of the superintendent.
Judge Tompkins's Order.
Judge Tompkins. on April 5, prior 10
Or Kiebs appointment. granted an order
directing the Superintendent Of Prisons
and the superintendent OF the hospital to
permit four different persons to confer
privately with said Thaw i'm some room
to be assigned by the authorities for that
purpose. not oftener. however, than one
day In each week. and for not longer
than two hours on any one occasion. An
appeal was taken by the Attorney Cen
eral on April % from this order. and the
Attorney General advised the superin-
tendent that such appeal suspended the
order. and the superintendent, acting
upon such advice. refused TO allow pri-
vate interviews with Thaw; whereupon
his attorneys. on May a. secured an order
from Justice jerks directing the SUPER
intendent to obey the provisions OF the
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-20

Thaw's companions were charged
with being under suspicion of having
committed an offence in another and
friendly nation. These two, one OF
large build and the other smaller
man. at once retained counsel and re-
fused TO disclose their identity.
Had not Thaw made inquiries OF the
deputy sheriff regarding tile country
through which he was passing he prob
ably would have been in Quebec this
The evening world., 1913-04-29
WOMAN CONVICTED
FOR CARRYING DRUG
TO 1OMBS PRISONER

After an effort extending through
many years . conviction has been OBJ
tained IN q case Of . person charged
with smussiins drugs into the Tombs
MrsL Helen Gay No. a. Fourth ave-
nvs was couvfcttd In special Sessions
under the section ef the code which
mshss Il . misdemsanor to have cocaine
o. similar drun In ones possession
when entering . prison.
Deputy Commissioner Of Corrections
william J. Wfisht was responsible for
the arrest and conviction Of Mrs. Gay.
Recently he had all the dope users In
the Tennis seGrsgAtsd In one tier. and
the other day when Mrs Gay called on
her husband, Oeorse Gay, confined In
the dope tier" he had her watched.
Her actions led TO Commissioner Wright
ordering her searched. and . quantity
Of cocaine was found IN her shoe.
Psroons accused Of brtneinS drugs inio
the Tomho heretofors have esoeped on
the plea that they we're addicted TO ths
hahAt ehsmsslvss ana had the drug in
their possession for their own use. Th>
secoion q the code aSainSt havine
drugs In ones possession whom snterins
Q prison was dug up. however. and Mrs
Oay's couvfction followed. Sentsnc<
will b Imposed later.