The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-03-06
INSANITY CHARGE
IS MADE BY THAW
Tells Superintendent OF Mattca-
wan He Must Be Constitu-
tionally Inferior
HIS ATTACK IS SCATHlNG
Rcbukcs DR.. Roy l.. Leak for
Having Changed His
cstimony.

New York. March 3 Harry K.
Thaw. whose latest ncht for freedom
will he begun before Supreme Court
Justice C;icgcrich tomorrow. natlv
charged pr. Roy l.. Leak. acting super
intendent OF Mattcawau. with being
insane, in a sharp coiioouy between
the two in the institution Tuesday af-
ternoon.
Dr.. Charles Kennedv. the mcdico-
legal practitjone- Who has been re-
tained nv Thaw in the ncS. habeas cor
pus proceedings. had called tu see his
client at NItiea~au. where he was
informed of tho now rules which cut
of all tho privileges which Thaw has
enjoyed. ami even refused him the
right TO cnnfcr IN private with his ;tt-
rorney pr. Kennedy and Supcrintcn-
dent Leak were in the consultation
chamber whom Thaw was ushcred in
lie had just been informed OF the new
rules. Dr. Kennedy tells what fol-
low cd.
SrathinI Vchul>c.
Thaw adm RI. Leak arc vcrv well
acquainted. and as Thaw entered the
room the doctor stepped forward to
shake hands with the patient Thaw
looked him straight in The CSC. and
refused to accept pr. Leaks hiuid. in =
stead. speaking quietly. he said
What has happened since YOU went
10 Albany Dr. Leak? You testified at
White Plains thaa WAS sane. WHY
haV" You changed your mind since
going TO Albany? What did YOU learn
there 10 make YOU change YOUR miud?'
Or Leak stoned back nonpluascd
10y tho remarks of rhaw. who. in
steady. even tones continued:
"EvidcntlN Nou had YOUR orders
should say" ho resumed. with u sar-
castle smile. that YOU must lie con
stitutionaliN inferior 10 change Your
mind in this way"
pr. Leak remained silent under
Thaw's scathing attack, whcrcupon the
latter asked sharply:
"Ilavc YOU lost your power OF speech
with it, doctor?''
You can, blame me. Mr. Thaw.' Or.
Leak is reported TO have replied hnalIv.
~ am only obcyiuC tho orders OF Col
oncl Scott
81 dom't blame Won for following the
orders OF Colonel Scott" said Tha,y
"But de bl:,nc you for changing.
Your testimony. What have So,,
learned? What changes have YOU no
ticed in ne 10 make YOU change your
mind
81 am not permitted to talk. Mr.
Thaw.' said pr. Leak.
well, yon must he constitutionaIIy
Inferior exclaimed Thaw. terminating
the interview.
What was particularly ncticca bic"
Sdiu III t\tt!bChN lO-uHN, WAS the fact
that Thaw was not at all excited. as
any man might have been in the cir
cumstanccs. lie was calm and cool
throughout despite the provocation OF
being refused the right to consult with
me i'm private.
Thaw will reach New York to-mor-
row morning in the company Of an
attendant. William a. Stone. former
Governor OF PENNSYLVANIA. and general
counsel for the Thaw family. Will also
arrive from Pittsburgh Tomorrow and
Will be present at the hearing. which
il is expected. Will be brief inasmuch
as another long hearing is in prospect
and only tho Drc!iminarics can he dis
posed of tomorrow. The chicf point.
that are now TO he disposed OF arc the
place where the hearings shall he
held. and tho question of what portion
OF tile testimony given at former trials
shall be read into the record by con
sent.
The testimony which can he read into
the record embraces the history OF the
Thaw family. and acts tending To in
dicate Thaw's alleged insanity Scy-
eral OF the witnesses who originally
gave this testimony arc now abroad
and if il cannot bc agreed that their
testimony shall he accepted by both
sides. commission viii have to be
appointed TO go abroad and take this
testimony anew. This viii involve an
expenditure OF about $1,000 and the
waste OF several months.