The evening times. [volume] (Grand Forks, N.D.) 1906-1914, 1913-03-01
UNIVERSITY WINS
FROM MANITOBA
But Loses to Fargo College
in Triangular Debate
Series Last Night.

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Series Last Night.
by a W to ono vote the University
OF Manitoba representatives were de-
feated here last evening by the Uni
versity of North Dakota team in a
close and spirited debate. The propo-
sition discussed was Resolved. that
for the United States and Canada
the responsible form OF cabinet gov
eminent is better than the presiden-
ttal FORM" The U. N. d. men had
the affirmative side Of the question
and they put up some splendid argu.
ments IN favor Of the Canadian sys-
The debaters for North Dakota
were Karl Louden. Clemens Kelsch
from the Canadian institution were
]. q. Bompas. e. J. Bingham and
George Dorey.
The debate was held in the audito-
rum of Woodwork hall at the uni
versity and there was a fairly large
audience present. The judges for the
occasion were w. L. Stockweli. former
state superintendent OF public instruc-
ton. President 7. A. Hillyer Of the
Mayville normal and Superintendent
A. B.. Hess Of Crookston. President
at the gathering. 1t was understood
by both teams that the debate last
night was not to include the question
OF the adoption Of the responsible cab
met form Of government in the United
states, but 1t was simply to be a COM
parison Of the two systems.
The main arguments brought out by
the affirmative side in the contest last
night were that the presidential form
OF government is not efficient and that
under this system there are numerous
conflicts between the executive and
legislative powers which are not found
IN the Canadian system. The affirma-
tive declared that the United States
government at the present time is not
responsive to the will Of the people
and therefore the principles Of true
democracy are violated. The reason
for the conflicts between the depart
ments Of government in the United
States. the Affirmative maintained. is
that there is no chance for harmonious
action because the legislative and ex.
er evil of the American form is the
committee system. The affirmative
claimed that there are a large numbe,
Of good bills killed before they come
before congress and further that the
various committees, in many instances
recommend the passage Of measures
which are advantageous to the peda.
tory interests and harmful to the PEG.
PIE as a whole. Thus the affirmative
maintained that proper legislation i.
htndered under the presidential form
Of government and that such is no,
the case under the responsible form
The arguments for the North Dakota
team were opened by Mr.. Kelsch. HI
has a splendid voice and is a %convinc.
ing speaker. This Is Mfr. Kelsch's frs
appearance in intercollegiate debating
at the state university and he made
a very good showing. Mr.. Gustafsor
was the second speaker for the afiir,
native and he placed his argument,
before the audience in a very cleal
and concise manner Mr.. Louden wa.
the last speaker for the North Dakot.
team and he wound up the affair ii
an able manner. Mr.. Louden was {
member Of the intercollegiate team
last year. He made a splendid i'm,
preston last night. He has made {
good record for himself at the uni
versity and is one Of the best debater!
who ever attended the university
John Moses was the alternate for tn,
team. He showed up we'll in the inter
society contests this winter and viii
have a good opportunity of represent
The negative side last night hai
some very good arguments and the,
kept their opponents on the lookou'
all the time. The speakers maintain
ed that the system in the United
States is far ahead Of the Canadian
plan. They claimed the separation O.
the executive and legislative depart
ments Of government Is a good thing
and prevents bad legislation. The!
said that the responsible form is a fu,
tile attempt to remedy the evils which
eminent. The English system is
%hindrance to progress and reform
rather than an advantage. they said
One of the negative speakers claimed
that the fusion Of the legislative ant
executive branches is a tendency to
wards a despotic monarchy or an alb
Isolute oligarchy. Tho negative alst
maintained that the veto power vested
in the president of the United State.
is a splendid thing. If the presiden
has the unquestionahle support Of tn,
needed measures. Another bad thinf
about the Canadian system is that i
is unstable. In many cases the minis
try often works for bad legislation II
order to gain popular favor. the mega,
tive maintained. Another poin'
brought out by the Manitoba team
was that the Canadian system is no.
efficient while the presidential form is
The fusion Of the two branches in tn,
cabinet system makes it impossibl,
for the leaders to do their work in
/ nRnNAa n>Nor~4 kAo -nf-l-k--
has to perform the work Of commit.
tees. in looking over proposed meas.
ures. the necessary bills are often de,
layed and generally not passed. Mr.
Bompas and Mr.. Bingham were the
first two speakers on. the Canadian
team and they presented their argu
ments in a very able way. Mr.. Dore,
closed the arguments for the negative
and he was by far the best thinker
and speaker IN the visiting team.
This debate was held under the aus
que. which was formed last fall be-
tween the Universities Of Manitoba
and North Dakota and Fargo college
Last evening each Of these institution,
had teams in the field arguing bott
sides Of this same question.
The state university sent anothe,
team to Fargo to debate the negative
side Of the same question at Fargo
college last evening aud the latter
team secured the unanimous decision
Of the Judges. The team that repre-.
sented the university at Fargo wa.
composed of Lester Smith, Samue
Halpern and Rheinhart Kamplin. Tht
Fargo dcbaters were Axel Arneson
Melvin Hildreth and Wellington Pix.
Ter. While the uni. -rsity team failed
to receive one vote from the judge!
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