New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-05-16


asked Mr.. De Ford
Thaw mumbled something unintel-
lgible and wound up: II don't want to
give the impression that I'm talking
cannot recall"
What Anhut Was After.
In closing Thaw said Anhut told him
that while he was getting only small
portion Of the money for himself. and
might be disbarred if the facts came
out he was relying upon getting
Thaw's legal business in New York
State after his discharge. and hoped to
profit considerably by that.
Mr. Palmer began his cross-exam-
ination with blast. II he hoped to
startle Thaw he was disappointed.
The witness evinced much livelier in
terest later when MIR. Palmer was re-
viewing the testimony already given.
You are the Harry X. Thaw who
shot Stanford White?" demanded Mr..
Palmer.
Thaw sat perfectly rigid. His face
showed no emotion. He was silent for
fully minute.
NO he answered. finally, in the
same low tone he had been using.
What" shouted Mr.. Palmer.
"My name is Henry K Thaw.' an
swered Thaw. in his monotonous voice.
You did shoot Stanford White"
Yes"
ibid you know he was defenceless?"
NO"
You shot him with pistol?"
Yes"
And with intent to kill him"
Mr.. Palmer shot out his questions
viciously. but Thaw was so deliberate
in his answers that Justice Seabury
had time TO advise him that he need
answer none that might tend TO in
eliminate or degrade him. and that he.
might refuse to answer the last ques-
ton on those grounds.
81 cannot refuse 10 answer on those
grounds" said Thaw, but owing to
the false position l occupy here as
witness I refuse TO answer It,"
do you waive your right to refuse to
answer on those grounds" asked Mr..
Palmer.
Il refuse TO answer that on the same
grounds" said Thaw. and also because
il is immaterial TO the issue"
Frequently Mr. Palmer framed his
questions so as to include the words
mental and mind" asking: Are
YOU mentally conscious Of having given
this answer to one of Mr.. De Ford's
uuestions2" and so far as your mind
can recall" Thaw did not fail to note
this. but instead OF fiaring up he care
fully included in his answers the same
phrases used by Mr.. Palmer
No Break" with Russell.
Thaw said there had never been
break" between him and Or. Russell.
although there had been Change In
their relations" after Or. Russell testified /
at White Plains. DR.. Russell had tod !
him, Thaw said. he would tell the truth |
and that he held the same views as Dr. |
Adolph Meyer, thus leading Thaw TO be-
lieve that DR.. Russell would testify he be-
iieved Thaw sane.
did he testify as he had led you to be- |
Ieve he would" asked Mr.. Palmer
ITO say that he did not would not BE-
precisely correct said Thaw He testi. |
fed that was constitutionally inferior"
Thaw's insinuatlon against Dr. Russell |
came out Of a clear sky.
when did YOU first meet Anhut" !
asked Mr.. Palmer.
Il met him but once said Thaw. II
had had all understanding with Or. Rus
sell before Anhut ever appeared. Dr. |
Russell was to let me out after eight or
nine months. He expected 70 be relnl- |
bursed for the criticism which might fol- |
low. There was a movement on foot by
people outside, ard Russell wanted TO get !
rid Of me and II he submitted TO criti- |
Cism should be reimbursed"
Thaw said that unless he were freed by !
January OF this year half OF the $685..
900 was to be returned, and II he were
not at liberty by July the balance was
to be returned. He got two receipts for
the money. he said. each for $4,000 He !
said S14.7O0 had been returned.
you've spent ii lot OF money trying to |
get out haven't you?" asked Mr.. Palmer. |
Not so much as has been reported"
said Thaw. when I first came to trial |
in this courtroom | was pretty we'll /
sWindled. The charges and expenses were /
outrageous, but In the last Ave and half |
years. including everything my friends
have spent for me and outside Of the coun-
sci fees / paid 10 Colonel Bartlett and |
Russell Peabody, the money so spent did |
not exceed 5000"
Mr. Palmer showed Thaw a hook con-
tanning excerpts from testimony at pre-
vious hearings and asked II he had de-
livered 1t 10 Mr.. Anhut.
II did" said Thaw, with very posi-
tive instructions"
when was that?"
Doctor Gave Plan Away"
You don't want TO hear the instruc-
tons. do you?"
on redirect examination Mr.. De Ford |
yious answer, IN which he had referred
10 1.-THE false testimony given by DR.. Rus
sell"
DIR. Russell said Thaw. gave infor-
nation 10 Mr.. Clark secretary of the
Governors commlssion) and 10 Governor
Sulzer. saying that bride had been Of
fered 10 him by Mr. Anhut and gave
the whole plan away"
You say that you had previous ar