Santa Fe new Mexican. [volume] (Santa Fe, N.M.) 1898-1951, 1913-06-03
SENATE LOBBY
HEARING
ON
PENROSE NAMES IT'S PERSON WHO
"REPRESENT"v "vARlOUSINTERESTS
BUT IN IS YEARS As A SENATOR
NEVER saw A L0BBIST.
JUDGE FALL TELLS
HIS SIDE OF the STORY

Washington, d. c., June 3.--Senatol
Penrose today told the special senate
committee hunting for the lobby
Washington he never had known OF
any attempts to improperly influence
members OF congress. He gave the
names of 175 persons who had called
on him since January / on the tariff
bill and declared that none were LOB
byists" in the general acceptation OF
the term.
ITS we'll known that certain inter
ests have agents here said the sena-
ator, "and l suppose they are paid
salaries. They evidently get informa'
ton for their organizations. Their
work is perfectly legitimate. | have
seen Mr.. Burgess for the pottery in
terests here for years and Mr.. Brown
for the cotton people. My own opinion
l., that the lobbyists is principally a
thing of the past. Congressional com
mittees pay little attention to them
now"
Senator Penrose thought that prob.
ably Winthrop L. Marvin, of Boston.
represented "the wool people" in
Washington and Senator Reed was in
sistent to learn if Marvin ever had
anything to do with fixing the tariff on
wool or Brown with the cotton tariff
Senator Penrose insisted the men did
rothing more than present arguments
to senators and representatives and
ttat neither had anything to do with
making the rates of the Payne tariff.
No Undue Influences.
Other Senators testified they knew
OF no undue Influences and told their /
personal interests. The list of 175
names which Mr.. Penrose gave the
committee was made up of manufac' |
turers, labor leaders, attorneys, i'm. !
porters and others who feared they |
weuld be affected bg sSriff te',anoss
Senator Penrose estimated that not
more than 40 per cent as many per
sons had come to Washington on tar.
If business this year as compared I
with four years ago, but reiterated I
that the persons here now were here
at previous tariff revisions.
Second Days Session.
. The second day of the senate probe
for the "lobby" began with approX-
mately one-fifth of the total number (
of senators disposed of. AT such {
rate of progress it would take four
days more to finish the investigation. (
The senate has allowed ten
Mclean on Stand.
Senator Mclean was called as the
first witness. He testified he vas a
small stockholder in several corpora !
tions but he had never sought to in +,
fiuence senators because of his inter-
ests. He gave list of various call
ers who discussed the tariff with him
but he considered none of them lob
byists.
The audience at todays inquiry
thinned down to four within the first
hour. T,
Dillingham; Called.
Senator Dillingham; testified that
ne had no financial interest in any
business affected by the tariff or
other legislation and represented no
,ne who had. II
He knew of no lobby or the use of
money to affect legislation.
Fall Testifes.
Senator Fall testified he was large
,wner of cattle, horses, sheep and
,oal. He gave the names of cattle
men who had visited him in the in
crest of health restrictions on the
of meat and officials of
WOOL growers association urging
luties on WOOL
Senator Fall said a Mr. Burbridge
If Colorado, whom he believed was in
crested in the zinc trust" had talk
d to him. IN
His attitude was one of indiffer- il
nce," explained Senator Fall. "He n
vas not a lobbyist, honest or dishon- s
st" Il
Penrose Called Out Of Town. t
Senator Penrose, who wanted to e
cave town, took the stand out of his F
urn, and testified that he had no in n
crest in anything affected by the tar Il
n except as a stockholder in the Il
United States Sugar and Land COM Il
any at Garden City, Kans. e.
This company has never been a T