The Washington herald., 1913-06-04
when the Payne-Aldrich law was unde
consideration.

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when the Payne-Aldrich law was undei
consideration.
Senator Penrose, on the other hand
declared that the army that has invaded
Washington to combat the Underwood
bill is only about 40 per cent the size
of the one that advanced upon Congress,
when the Payne-Aldrich law was under
consideration. The Senator from Penn
sylvania gave II as his opinion also that
the practice of lobbying had become de.
cadent.
It became more apparent yesterday
that the problem which the Democratic
members of the investigating committed
has before them is to produce sufficient
evidence to justify the Presidents recent
statement. This seems to be the sol,
purpose of the inquiry now. although
the Republicans are seizing upon every
that the President made his statement
without sufficient grounds.
Senators Mclean of Connecticut. Dill.
lingham of Vermont, Brady OF Idaho
Fletcher of Florida, and Fall Of New
Mexico in turn gave testimony at the
morning session to the effect that they
knew of no effort, concerted or otherwise
being made to influence votes for OF
against the taIiff bill in the Senate OF
the United States. except through meth.
DDS of legitimate argument. None OF
the Senators mentioned had any large
interests, except Senator Fall, who told
the committee that he and his son-in.
law were interested in sheep herds In
New Mexico and Old Mexico, ranging
at various seasons of the year from
10000 to 5000
Senator Fail was also interested in the
business OF zinc and lead mining.
Senator Penrose is of the opinion that
the lobbyist is a thing OF the past. TIC
the committee he said: :
THE day of the agents, lawyers. and
lobbyists making Roadway with their
arguments to members of the House and
Senate is ended. / do not believe that
a legislator of today is satisfied to listen
to or to give credit for a hired argument
He wants to talk directly. II at all, with
the principal
II mean by that the presidents and
general managers Of big corporations,
the owners of factories and the pro-
ducers of manufactured commodities.
The man who is working for fee and
not for himself and his interests has
little influence today in either branch OF
Congress"
Lobby Not So Large Now.
1.-The lobby. so-calIed. this year is by
no means so large or so active as II
was at the time OF the Dingley law,
when the Payne law was in the making
during the reciprocity discussion, and
while the House bills were under con-
sideration in 1911 and 1912. The interested
agents of the great interests were more
numerous by far than they are today.
Il do not believe that at present the
number of people in Washington to help
or hinder the tariff law in its way
through Congress constitutes 10 per cent
of the Hobbies of previous years"
Senator Lippit of Rhode Island was
questioned by the Democratic members
on the subject of the Arkwright and
Home Market Clubs, and particularly on
his activity in connection with the cot
ton schedule In the Payne-Aldrich ,tariff.
The Senator from Rhode Island explained
that he served upon a committee Of cot
ton manufacturers who did not ask for
any increased duties, but desired TO have
remedied certain phraseology which. in
the existing tariff. had given rise to de-
cisions, not in harmony with the intent
of the trainers.
Mr.. Lippit himself advocated a duty
upon mercerization which was a new
process. and, therefore, this duty would
schedule.
Mr.. Lippit went abroad and did not
expect to have anything more TO do with
the bill. but upon his return the bill was
still in the hands of the Senate commit.
tee. and his personal friend, Senator AL
drich, asked him to give expert advice
upon the cotton schedule, which he did.
The Senator asked about his own mills
stated that the value Of the stock had
decreased very greatly on account of
the threatened reduction in duties. He
said that the stock was not actively trad
ed in and, therefore, he was expressing
only a personal opinion. but that SIS per
share had been the offering price of the
stock a short time ago when business
was good. He now considered II worth
about s. per share.
Senator Hughes of New Jersey, next
took the stand and again described the
difference between being a member of
the minority and Icing in the controlling
party. In the former case he had en-
joyed himself and was a somewhat regu-
lar attendant at the baseball games.
Now, however. his position is quite diff
ferent He has led a miserable life for
some weeks past, and has now gotten
to the point where he cannot spare time
TO open kilograms, though he chung to
this practice with some tenacity.
"CutIess Cutlery" for Hughes.
In answer to a question by Senator
Nelson Senator Hughes said that he
had had nothing presented to him by
lobbyists or other interested persons ex-
cspt arguments, soap, razors, and hats
As to the razor he was not so sure
what It was after trying it for shaving
purposes, but as to the hat, it fitted,
and he put it on.
II was Senator Hughes opinion that
there is a very great number of people
in the city .or the purpose OF influencing
tariff legislation. but he thought there
were few offensive lobbyists" Many
persons, he said. used arguments in
personal interviews, OF which he did ap-
prove, but he did not care to give the
names of individuals and thus single out
certain ones from the rest.
Wants to Get Somewhere.