New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-11-02

Clancy, Of Sing Sing, was made public by
the Burns Agency yesterday. The rec
ord showed how Stilwell dickered for a
full pardon, refusing to tell all he knew
until he was a free man, and OF the un-
availing efforts Of Suffers chief prober to
get the names Of corroborative witnesses
from the prisoner
Present besides Hennessy at one time
or another were Warden Clancy. Alder
man Frederic Stilwell, OF Yonkers, a
brother OF the prisoner; Charles Fl
Unversagt and ex-senator Ruben L. Gled-
hill.
Wagner the Boss's Messenger.
Stilwell said that 81 know how Gov
ernor) Glynn takes his orders" and de-
eIared that Senator. now Lieutenant Gov
ernor, Robert F. Wagner repeatedly came
TO him with messages from Murphy, say
ing "The boss wants this; "the boss Is
interested in this matter. He wants II put
through"
Stilwell declared that he was in a posi-
ton to swing six or seven votes Of his
former associates for SulZer In the I'M
parchment proceedings, but declared he
would have to be free to do this. Hen
messy was forced to leave the prisoner
without getting any tangible proof against
Murphy, Frawley or any one else, and the
negotiations were dropped
The story in the little black book" in
so far as II concerns Murphy, Frawley
and Wagner met with prompt denials.
Murphy denied he ever threatened Still
well, or demanded money from him, al
Delmonico's.
II never saw Stilwell at Delmonico's.
added Mr.. Murphy. II did tell him that
did not think the people Of The Bronx
wanted separate county, and If they did
they could easily get ii through a refer
endum."
What do you think of Stilwelrs asser-
tons that he could get you in jail and
that he had the proof" the Tammany
leader was asked.
81 am sure don't know what Mr.. Still
well means" replied Mr. Murphy. THE
only dealings | ever had with him were
in connection with the Bronx County bill
and l did not, as he says. threaten to Kill
him, politically financially or otherwise.
The little black book" contains many
gaps due to the failure Of the detecta
phone to record because Of the noise OF
passing trains, which run directly in front
Of and under the warden's office
When a transcript had been read by
Mr.. Unversagt he said that In parts /,
, seemed badly mixed, and added:
'If Governor Sulzer had appointed Still
well as his counsel he would never have
been convicted. The Governor, had Still
well been his counsel. would have woI
out by the same majority that Stilwel
obtained when he was on trial before tn,
Senate. The boss wanted Stilwell re
moved just as they wanted SulZer re
moved. but while the boss Is obeyed b!
the legislators, self-preservation is thei
first law"
: SideIiahts on Tammany Methods.
Here is a fragment Of a typical con
yersation as recorded by the detecta
phone. The dashes show spots where tn
detectaphone failed to detect, for one rea
son or another:
Hennessy-There's another matter abou
Murphy where money was paid Tor
nomination. DO you know anything abou
It?
StIlweIl- made a note for 5000
- everything was left to Murphy -
to do this -.
Hennessy-Is the one - $500 from
Tammany -
stilwell-The trouble is you got to d.
II in a way that will convict him -
Hennessy-About that bill that passed
$50, 00o-can you prove It?
Stilwell-Sure. II was sent up there
The bill never got out OF the committee
, Murphy sent II up. X. told - m
; Murphy wanted me to = the bill. III
said the boss wants you'to introduce tn
bill. Then Frawley came along. 1t wa
the time that B. was away as chairman
never thought he would take an!
money. They met the man whom Fraw
ley asked to go get the $4,000 TO kill TIT
bill. But 1 can only tell you what h
, told me.
Unversagt-I believe that you told M
the other day that Murphy got 5000 ou
of it.
. Hennessy-What for?
Stilwell-For killing the bill. l think
was in the spring Of 1911 1 am only tell
ing you what Frawley told me.
Stilwell was insistent that he be par
|
Hennessy strived to assure him that Sui
ger would make good If he did. The de
tectaphone record runs thus:
Had Told All to "Mr. w."
Hennessy-The pardon will come finally
The only question is this, in giving this
pardon the Governor would have to b.
satisfied that what you have had to say
would make it sure. pretty sure, abou
giving a pardon to you. OF course 4
could not be done any other way. OF
course there is no way to convince then
OF that unless by what you want to say.
Stilwell-Why. l have told Mr.. U. the
whole thing. We We 1t over it three OF
four times. surely. / told him i did not
want to talk it over with others. You see
am in a peculi IT position. / must looh
after myself This man came to me and
/ told him what l could do If ] was par
doned, because otherwise / ran chance
of injury to myself. Now l told Mr.. u
the whole thing-what he could lay before
the Governor, what / could do If ] was
pardoned. / presume what he wanted
L.