The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-06-27
PALMER REVEALS
AMAZING DETAILS
OF DEEP-LA|DPLO
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Ills only reference to anything in
Washington. he said. was to the gen
ersl situation here, the tendency to
Investigate things and the apparent
desire for suits against big concerns.
The committee adjourned subject TO
tho call of tho chair. but X reserved
the right to summon Lauterbach to
the stand again after they had heard
from the other New Workers.
Both MIR. Lauterbech and Repre-
sentative Daniel J. Riordan. OF New
York, appeared before the committee
TO tell what thvy knew about the
charges made by Judge Robert Scott
Lovctt. Of tho Union Pacific Railroad
Company, that an attempt had been
made through the use OF Riordans
name to secure the employment OF
Lauterbach as counsel for the railroad
in the Union Pacific Southern Pacific
dissolution suit. Judge I4ovett toId
OF telepnone conversations between
himself, Maxwell Evcrts, counsel of
the Southern Pacific, and a llan pur-
porting TO be Riordan, about the en-
ployment OF Lauterbach. Both tho
Congressman and the lawyer denied
any effort t. secure such employment.
and acknowledged only c slight &C
Quaintance with each other.
Palmer Tells Story.
stand at hts own request
I'm View OF the turn which your in
vestiSation has taken by reason OF
Judge Lovett's testimony" no said, 81
feel II my dutv TO acquaint you with
IAN experience OF my own, OF that
kind. SO that you may have the benefit
OF II II you care 10 pursue this branch
Of the investigation deeply.
Early in February last, while I was
at ~
called TO the telephone TO answer what
my clerk said was a call from New
\ ork voice from tho other end Of
the wire said: This is Mr.. Ledyard'
said: Who He said: Mr. Ledyard
told him. Spell 1T He spelled his
name and said he was Lewis Cass Led
yard. and added. You ought TO know
for you have been talking with me over
tho telephone / said: You are very
much mistaken. Mr. Ledyard: l have
never seen you. l have never spoken to
you. directly, or over telephone. or had
any communication with you. You will
have TO explain yourself a little fur
ther. he then went on TO say that IL
that was true there was a very strange
and remarkable conspiracy afoot in
which my name had been used, and he
then went on TO tell me what was to mo
4 very amazing story
Said lie Was Palmer.
80 Ssa.N N4.hl i4t nGu DecD called
the telephone a short time before that
oy gentleman who. after some hesita.
uoh about giving his name. saying that
ne Was representative in Congress-
!nally said ne was Representative Pal
mer. or Pennsylvania, and this person
'o'u MT Ledyard that he wa9 in q po-
siuon, BY reason of his memberships IN
the House. ana hts relation with prom-
inent members OF the House, to be OF
service TO interests which Mr. Ledyard
represented. even going so far as To
say. as recall IT. that he thought the
money trust investigation report could
be controlled. that variou, inyestira
uohs 'ncn proceeding in Congress and
IN me courts. affecting large financial
interests in New York City, could be
satisfactorily adjusted. and promising
most amazing results OF his efforts hero
In Washington.
air. Ledyard detailed that converse
.,oh 10 me- ana during the next two or
'hfcc days. he had perhaps half dozen
or more telephone conversations u.i,h
'he same person, in which this person
vent INTO even greater detail about
now and why he was In n position n
grant legislative favors.
Ai,er each OF these telephone con-
vcrsations that Mr.. Ledyard had wi,b
this party over the wire in New W.
MT. Ledyard called me on the telenhona
ana repeated them 10 me for the double
purpose or having evidence at hand
mat II was an impersonstion: that
was actually at that time many miles
"WaE from New York. and also to ac-
Jan. me win the proceedings. think
Ing that perhaps as a member OF the
mouse i ought 10 know about It.
MI Ledyard endeavored TO get a
personal interview with the man He
iought shy OF that. saying. as recol.
.IGt IL: that no good would be accom-
p!ished from q personal interview with
MN. but promised TO see him later and
even went SO far as to declare tar
In the next day or so he was Obliged
10 be In Bethlehem. which is my dis
rlc'' so that he could not meet Mr.
Leoyard at an hour that Mr. Ledyard
suggested for a conference.
Traces His Caller.
MI Ledyard through tho telephone
company and, 1 think, through various
other agencies. made 4 very earnest
effort TO locate the person who talked
with him over the telephone. The best
ne could do was 10 trace the telephone
calls. and he traced them to place
which satisfied him as 10 who the
party was.
If the committee wants to go into
that further. IT seems to me Mr.. Led
yard should be called, and will leave
1t for him 10 say what he thought as
to who this party was.
This person, who declared that he
was Representative Palmer, when Mr..
Ledyard was unable to secure n per-
sonal interview with him. declared that
he would name q person In whom Mr..
Ledyard would have confidence and to
whom he could talk freely and who
would be able TO produce evidence that
he and this alleged Representative
Palmer would be able to do what they
said.
Those statements finally led to Mr..
Ledyard's making an appointment to
meet the gentlemen whom this person
named, and at the hour Of the appoint
ment there appeared at Mr.. Ledyard's
house Mr.. Edward Lauterbach. a NOM
Der of tho bar of New York City, as
understand. Mr.. Ledyard and Mr.. Lau-
terbach had long conversation about
this matter. Mr.. Lauterbach taking 1t