Albuquerque morning journal. [volume] (Albuquerque, N.M.) 1903-1926, 1913-07-22
Senators Cannot Remember
Ever Having Met Manufac-
turerS Lobbyist and Say He
Gave False Evidence
WITNESS ADMITS HE
MAY BE MISTAKEN
Sensational Session of Probing
Committee Develops Lively
Scenes and More IolereeGag
Letters Are Read

Washington. july 2l senators
Nelson and Cupp. of Minnesota. took
the stand tonight before the commit
tee OF their colleagues investigating
the lobby ana dcnlcd the truth Of
statements made by Martin NJ, Mul
hall, former political worker accelcr-
lator Of congressional opinion ana ALI
Iufound Geld worker for the National
/ Association "s Manufacturers.
ln letters read into the record to-
day Mulhall told of conversations
with senator Nelson--a member OF
+ tho lobby committee IN relation 10
/ the enactment early ia 1903 Of Il bin
Amending the sherman antitrust act.
hy senate subcommittee OF which
Mr. Nelson was chairman. Mulhall
wrote to r. q. Schwedtmnn. secre-
tay to James ". Van Cleavc, presl-
dent uf the association, that he had
seen senator Nelson and that the
senator had told him what transplred
In his subcommittee. lie swore on
direct examination 10y Senator Cum
minus that Mr. Nelson had suggested
that the association send q copy of
the subcommittee adverse report on
the bin 20 the president, Mr. R0ose-
Welt" In one letter. Mulhull spoke OF
being introduced to senator Clapp by
Mr.. Nelson ana Of talking with both
men about "a recent decision under
the sherman act
Questioned closely hy senator CUM
minis, Mulhall first sWore he had been
told by Mr. Nelson what had occurred
In the committee even TO how its
members voted on the proposed
amendment Pursued further he
agreed that possibly he had not re-
ceived such information and then he
switched again and declared that if
he had reported that he had received
such Information It must be correct
~ have no recollection of seeing
Mr. Mulhal or talking to him about
this bin ana ! certainly would not
have talked 10 him about what trans
pirtd before the judiciary commit
tee, said Senator Nelson tonight
1T is possible that he may have
stepped inside of my office and got
ten information from my clerk Mr.
Hicks. my clerk. SAYS that he cannot
reeolect over having seen Mulhall Ia
our room, SO far as the report Is con
ecrned you an know that MIR Mulhall
could get these reports from the doe
nment room have no recollection
1f ever meeting Mr. Mulhall or talk.
ing To him on these subjects or any.
thing else. Ever since Mr. Mulhall
have been ucltng my brain 70 think
lr recall " ever saw him or had d
ak with him. There Is a possibility
hat may be mistaken. understand
hat Mr. Mulhall had mustachc
hen and perhaps that may account
or the fact that / do not recognize
rim now"
II have not the slightest rccollcc-
ION Of ever seeing Muhnll and Ger
ainly have no recollection that
,rnutor Nelson introduced uo TO him
ii his room said senator Cmpp 'lt
s very clear in my mind that If had
would have rccollccted it,
The Nelson mattor camc up when
ouator Reed introduced "a letter dat
u january 2g g6a from Muhall to
u scot IN my card To
cnator Knutc Nelson of Minnesota
ho made the adverse report as
hartman, 10 the senate upon the
of the sherman law read
he letter
"Thc scuator came out and took
le to his room aud gave me a com
Iete statement Of what took place
the Judiciary committee before
tey made their adverse report
Senator Nelson was IN the room at
le time aud senator CummIns de-
AIRED that he had been requested 10
Ik that AN letters bringing In Mr.
elson's name be read at once. Two
hers were put ia the record, one re-
rring TO the same bill. the other Ia
/ anti-iniunction hll which ala not
cure I'm the latter testimony Upon
Mulhau said he became
quainted with senator Nelson at the
ne ne wrote the first letter
II vas sent there hy Mr Emery. the
ief lobbyist for the associations" he
ill.,
Senator Nelson's report on this
Il was made three DAYS before your
H. You do not mean TO say thar
Il influenced him2" asked senator
mmns.
NO sir: not an
senator Cummins pressed the wit
s. as to the statement that Sena-
Nelson had given him information
out what occurred before the bill
S reported adversely Mulhnl was
tain that he had secured such in
nation, then was not clear on
t. and later showed signs Of anger.
You don't expect me to remem-