The Topeka state journal., 1913-07-02
GIGANTIC up. FORGERY
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On another occasion he talked over
| the telephone to Lewis Cass Ledyard
! using Representative Palmer's name
| and with Maxwell Evarts, using Repre-
sentative Rfordan's name In both con-
versations he spoke about Lauterbach' s
| service. Senator Nelson insisted that
| Lamar testify explicitly whether he
! stated in those converse tions that
| Lauterbach had influence in washing
| ton with officials, senators or represen-
! tatives. %.@
Il am inclined to believe in my con-
| versation with Ledyard 1 went very far
in that direction on the affirmative
| side" returned Lamar.
why did you change to Palmer's s
| name instead of sticking to Riordan's s
| demanded Nelson.
We'll Palmer was very much in the
public eye then as one who would have
great influence at Washington with the
incoming Democratic Administrations
replied Lamar. He added he did not
know Palmer, and had no authority to
use his name.
Offered Entire Government.
Lamar said the late ]. P. Morgan's 8
opposition to Lauterbach caused him
20 telephone Ledyard, using the nane
OF Representative Palmer. 10 try and
win his confidence and find out who
had ostracised Lauterbach. Il found
mar. He added he knew Ledyard had
a stenographer on the line making
record of the talk. Il read everything
in to it 1 could" said Lamar. Il think
1 offered him the entire government, L
may have left the president out
Lamar set the committee into laugh
ter with his story of how he impcr-
sonated Palmer; lectured Ledyard be-
cause he did not go to church and told
what remarkable things Lauterbach
could do at Washington for the Nor
gan firm. Il told him that the
defiant attitude of the Nor
gan interests toward the Democratic
administration in congress had much
to do with the decline in the value of
Morgan securities continued Lamar.
Il called attention to the money trust
and other Investigations and urged 1lr.
Ledyard to employ Lauterbach''
You were trying to convince Ledyard
that Lauterbach was a sort of a John
the Baptist for the Morgan firm?" said
Nelson.
That's it exactly returned LANAI
Then 1 called up Mr.. Palmer's Office
in Washington said Lamar, with
smile, land found he would be in Betnle-
hem, Pa, the next Sunday. Then L
called Mr.. Ledyard and told him to
call Palmer there. 1 had done all 1
Lauterbach with Ledyard and 1 did not
want Mr.. Palmer injured. I wanted 10
clear the atmosphere and prevent 4
possible scandal for Palmer"
The deception was revealed to Palmer
and Ledyard that Sunday. Senator Ov-
erman insisted on knowing if Lamar
eV er impersonated any other congress
men.
''Oh. Lord, 1 may have
Methodist With Several Names.
Senator Cummins questioned La
mar sharply and in the exchange, the
witness testified he was a Methodist
and that Lamar was not his original
name. He declined to give that Il
have had several names" he said.
Lamar's statement today before the
lobby senate committee regarding the
alleged forgery of the $S2,0O0,OOO on
the Union Pacific railroad books in
1902, was substantially as follows:
I'm the summer some time, of 1901,
somebody forged the books of the
Union Pacific Railroad company to the
tune of 100000. Who it was, 1
men connected with the company
thereafter got $S2.OOO.O00 in cash as
the proceeds of that forgery and that
Ss2,OOO,0OO was the fulcrum through
which all these giant monopolies and
conspiracies were fastened on the lines
of railroad serving the territory from
the Rocky Mountains to the Gulf of
Mexico. and from the Pacific ocean to
the Missouri river, and more than that,
it was the fulcrum through which this
group of men. Hartman to the extent
of $3.50. 100000 or $200.0O0.0o0; Kuhn,