The Detroit times., 1913-03-10
PASTOR VANCE HECTORED
BY BARNETTS LAWYER

NJ. QUO SeNenteentn-st.' Sndfles -.
Newman, No, 144 Rohns-ave., ana
James Finn. No. go Bagg-st.
Arthur Loucks and. William &.
Hunt. newspaper men, said that Pas
tor Vance had admitted TO them using
the words In the complaint, or SINH
lar language. Robert NJ. Zugs presi-
dent OF the Y. NJ. G.. A., and Bethune
Dufilcld. attorney. said that they were
In the morning congregation and had
heard Pastor Vance make the state
ment.
Il don't oelieve he used the word
'red.handed.' Mr.. DufYield explained.
you're a lawyer. aren't you, Duff
neld?' asked the court.
Pastor Vance WAS put on the stand
In his own defense. He said that he
had preached In Detroit since Septem-
Der, 1911, had been IL years In Chi
cago, and also In Baltimore and Louis
Vile.
do you know the defendant?" ask
ed Mr.. Crosse.
II have the honor Of his acquaint.
ance now" replied the clergyman.
Pastor Vance explained that he had
taken as his topic for his morning SER
mon of Feb 10 The redemption OF
Detroit" In order to make his con.
gregation take more interest In pol
tiles and municipal affairs. He had
explained that there Is a statute un-
der which the saloons of Detroit
should be reduced from 1900 to 900,
and that It's enforcement had been
blocked In the council by men like
Eddie Barnett. who was caught with
bride money on his person and then
returned to the common council"
The main point was All attack on
my own people for their lack Of inter
est In municipal matters" be said.
Are there any women In your con-
gregation?" asked the court.
What has that to do with the ques-
tion?" Pastor Vance cOuntered.
Women seem to be taking an in
terest In politics" replied Justice JEFF
fries, who was tagged by the suffrag-
lists ON Button day
Il see the force of your question"
said Factor Vance. II don't know
what we would do without the women
of this town -
Pastor Vance explained that Be-
thune Dufield and Aid. John G. Lodge
had come to the pulpit during the sing
ing of the last hymn, and had explain
ed to him that he had made an error
that he must have been thinking Of
Aid. Gilman, not Of Aid. Barnett.
After the hymn, Pastor Vance made
his statement of retractiOn.
mo one had left, SO far al know,
for the intensity OF feeling was great
and everybody wanted to see the end
of the game said Pastor Vance. Il
did not want to harm Mr.. Earnett, or
say anything that WAS not true"
He said that he did not say any
thing to Aid. Barnett for several days,
because he did not know that the aid
ererman knew what had been said
about him. When he learned that Aid.
Barnett had heard, he went to the aid
ermans house, where he saw Mrs. Bar
nett. She declined to be the bearer OF
any message to her husband
You'd better see Mr. Barnett" she
told Pastor Vance.
Il have no feeling against Mr.. Bar
nett, except that I'd like him u get
out of the Dresden cafe business" said
Pastor Vance. II have the kindest
feeling toward him even now. bear
no malice to any man. l live to DO
good, and not to do evil. 1t Is my
purpose to stir my people to do their
duty
Then you fire prepared yourself
to do your own duty?" asked Attorney
Bumps, taking up the cross-examina-
ton.
Yes, SIR"
"You trusted merely to your recol-
lection and memory to deliver this
sermon?"
mo. sir. l gave It solid week OF
"You had prepared your sermon as
q whole?"
Pastor Vance started to explain.
He was cut short. Mr.. Bumps want.
ed him to answer yes or no. Pastor
Vance said he could not give q
answer The court insist
ed that he could. There was lively
debate. Finally the clergyman was
allowed to say that he had made q
brief Of his sermon.
did you have Mr.. Barnett's name
on your notes " asked Mr.. Bumps.
Pastor Vance was almost sure that
he did not
There was another argument over
the form Of Mr.. Bumps questions, to
which Pastor Vance seemed unable
to make reply without giving an ex.
PLANTATION. 1t ended In the clergyman
saying:
You play the game straight, and
I'll give you straight answers"
Good" shouted someone In the
raar no tho rom
.Quiet back there. or III order the
room cleared" shouted the court.
When you were hrst told OF your
mistake, didn't you contend that you
had not made an error?" asked Mr..
Bumps.
It took some time to secure an an
swer to this question, because Pastor
Vance wanted to do some more ex.
planning. He said at last that he had
admitted his error at once.
did Mr.. Burns use Mr.. Barnett's
name in the speech you heard In the
armory?'
II don't think Mr.. Burns used
names--he's too cautious a man." the
minister answered.
And you're not SO cautious?" ask
ed Mr.. Bumps. And you won't use
names again?"
I'll use names whenever think II
proper" replied Pastor Vance, very
decisively.
Paul Moody, the only other witness
for the defense, corroborated Pastor
yance's account Of his mistake and
his explanation to both the mornin <
and evening audiences.