The Birmingham age-herald., 1913-07-09

or held any Union Pacific or South
ern Pacific recently. or now.
Lamar denied having any. The COM
mittee heard r. J. Goertner of Seaman
Baehe & CO., glass importers of New
York. who testified he prepared a
brief for free glass published in the
ways and means committees handbook
on the Underwood bill. but said that
he made no efforts to have the COM
mittee do so.
He said in 1909 the glass men spent
about $4,000 to get tariff reduc-
tion.
Two-thlrds Of that was put up by
foreign exporters.
Lamar insisted his only object was
to bring about just such a situation
as this sharp investigation.
Il am the one villain in Wall street."
Lamar said bitterly. THE remainder
are actuated by the highest motives
and possess the highest Ideals
lie declared the whole thing was a
major Wall street operation traversing
along parallel lines, and insisted that
Il am after Ledyard, Crayath, Evarts
Lovett and the Morgan concern,
steel trust, Union Pacific and other
vested interests" -
He said he wanted to force them to
an attack in the open.
1T was favorite procedure of mine
for producing an explosion when
wanted one" he said.
When the committee reassembled
it held an executive session into which
David Lamar was taken for question:
ing.
After the committee had listened to
confidential explanation of some of
the testimony of Lamar Chairman
Overman announced that it was not
material, and would not be made pub
lie.
Questioning Made Public
The questioning in public was then
resumed
There is no federal law under which
David Lamar could be prosecuted for i'm
personating congressman over the tele-
phone, according to the viewpoint OF de-
partment of justice officials.
Attorney General McReynolds several
days ago directed an informal examira-
tion of the case to determine whether any
existing law covered the situation revealed
IN the testimony of Lamar
It was believed the statute forbidding
impersonations of government servants
did not reach the Lamar case, because
that law embraced only cases where in
tent to defraud could be shown.
Lamar described the Wall street frame
of mind" as where "the thing to do was
to win as long as nothing criminal was
done"
Were you in the Wall street frame OF
mind February 8, when you teephoned to
Mr. Ledyard?' asked Senator Reed
Il was. Lamar replied.
When you telephoned Chairman
Hilles?"
That was Wall street at its best
Have you delivered your testimony, in
the Wall street frame or mind?"
That's an entirely different matter, and
l have to face my souls salvation and ]
am under oath. I'm through with this
game"
Lamar Leaves Stand
Lamar left the stand just before 4
o'clock.
s. w. Mcclure, secretary of the Ma
tional Wool Growers association, told The
committee now the wool people worked to
keep a duty on wool. He said the asso-
citation represented almost all the sheep
men In the United States and that lac
spent much time in Washington. His as
ISOLATION, witness said, expended no money
ON the tariff except for his personal ex-
penses here, and his total account
'chargeable to the tariff" had been $500
since April.
The wool growers, Mcclure explained,
did not get out literature" though some
letters had been sent to senators about
the tariff. He said the association coll
lected about 5000 for the first six months
this year; had q membership of about
32,0OO and had rever co-operated with the
Woolen Manufacturers association.
w L. Bass, retired sugar planter from
san Domingo, told the committee his uc-
cupation was trying to free the United
States government from the grasp of the
American Sugar Refining company" lie
said he was not working for any interests
but that he had common cause with sugar
men from Cuba, San Domingo, and Porto
Rico.
Since 19O2," he said, Il have received
two contributions OF 500. pay my own
expenses.
Bass said that his total expenses this
year had been between $500 and $1,000 n
month He had Issued many circulars and
paid for some newspaper advertisements.
IF you remove the duty on sugar yo,i
won't keep 1t off more than "a MONTHS
Bass told tho committee.
Lamars examination was finished to-
day and both he and Lauterbach were
allowed to go, with the understanding
that If wanted they should appear
again.
With their departure the committee
took up sugar lobbying again for three
hours with short excursion into the
land of the wool lobby.
Sugar Story Again
Charles ID. Westcott, Washington
dttorHey, VINO nVeS In cuba, took up
the sugar story again He told of an
unsuccessful effort he made to get
Cuban planters to put up $4,000 for
the expenses of a free sugar campaign
in Washington to Offset the efforts Of
the anu-f free sugar He declared that
his effort failed after he had believed
1t successfully launched, and gave 1t
as his opinion that the sugar trust
had been responsible He said the trust
naa mi 1fchn l,f H. 4
with Cuban bankers which could force
the growers to do what they wished
by refusing to extend them necessary
credit. He added that the Agrarian
league to which every Cuban grower
feels obliged to belong, was dominated
by the trust" and that acting in COM
pliance with the Combines which II
had opposed a free sugar campaign.
Westcott was put through q search
Ing cross examination by Senator Cum