Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1913-06-03
None. Says Senator Penrose.
Among IT'S Men He Has
Talked Tariff With.
THINKS REAL LOBBYIST :
"A THING OF THE PAST"
Senate Subcommittee Inquiry Ex-
pected to Be Concluded by End
of Present Week. ~

senate committee hunting for 'the lobby"
that In his sixteen years experience in
washington he never had known Of any
attempts improperly to influence mem
bers OF Congress He gave the names
OF l'o persons who had called on him
since January i. on the tariff. but da-
clared that none is lobbyist" in the
general acceptation OF the term
It's well known that certain interests
have agents here" said the senator. "and
suppose they are paid salaries They
evidently get information for their orSani-
cations. Their work Ia perfectly legit-
innate. as far as / know Ny own expert
ence is that the lobbyist is principally q
thing of the past. Congressional commit
tees pay little attention to them now"
Did Not Fix Rates.
Senator Penrose thought that probably
Winthrop l.. MaryiI- of Boston repre-
sented the wool people in Washington.
and Senator Reed was insistent to learn il
Marvin ever had anything to do with
fixing the tariff on wool, or a Mr.. Brown
with the cotton tariff. Senator Penrose
insisted the men did nothing more than
present arguments to senators and rep
resentatives and that neither had any
| thing to do with making the rates of the
Payne law.
Senator Reed did develop on cross-ex-
animation. however, that MIR. Marvin at
one time was secretary of a joint con
gressional committee to investigate the
| merchant marine.
Senator Penrose was the liveliest
| witness of the morning session. other
4 senators testified they knew OF no un-
due influences and told of their per-
| sonal interests. The list OF l.5 names
winch Mr. Penrose gave the committee
was made up OF manufacturers. labor
\ leaders, attorneys. importers and
| others who feared they would be at
fected by tariff changes.
The steel industry and coal interests
| OF Pennsylvania have had no per-
| manent representatives in WASHINGTON
for many years, Senator Penrose said
Their custom OF keeping representa-
| tives in Washington had died out ten
or twelve years ago.. He estimated
that not more than 40 per cent as
many persons had come TO Washington
on tarin business this year com
| pared with four years ago. but re-
iterated that the persons here now
were here at previous tariff revisions
May Finish This Week.
night sessions. and under the consent of
the Senate itself to absent themselves
| from regular sessions. i'm order to hear
witnesses. members of the subcommittee
| taking the testimony. were confident to-
day they would finish this week.
Senator Brady of Idaho one of the new
members. had not finished his testimony
when the investigators stopped last night.
and he was ready to proceed today The
first days inquiry had not definitely To-
Gated the lobby" nor developed the
name OF any Lobbyists using improper
methods. in the opinion of senators. TO
influence their action on the tariff
The. audience at today's inquiry thin
| ned down to four within the first hour.
Senator Mclean First Witness.
Senator Mclean of Connecticut was
called as the first witness. He testified
| he was a small stockholder in several
corpora tions but he had never sought to
influence senators because Of his inter
ests. He gave a list Of various golfers
| who discussed the tariff with him but he
considered none of them lobbyists.
Senator Dillingham; testified he had no
financial interest i'm any business affected
by tne tariff or other legislation and rep
| resented none who had. lie could NOT
remember the names of persons who had
talked with him, except Mr.. lman o.
! New York who urged that no duty be
put on green furs. He knew or no lonby
or the use of money to affect legislation.
Senator Fletcher gave among the names
! OF his visitors e F.. Berriman of chica-
/ 81 and Tampa. in regard TO Havana CT
! CARS: Harold Powell. representing Cal
/ fornia citrus fruit interests. and Mr.
| Davie of Colorado and Florida. concern
! ing beet sugar business.
Owns Much Livestock.
Senator Fall testified he was large
owner Of cattle. horses. sheep and coal
He gave the names OF cattlemen VINO
had visited him in the interest OF health
restrictions on the Importation OF meat
and officials of wool growers associa
tion urging duties on wool.
Under cross-examination Senator Fall
said Mr.. Burbridge OF Colorado. whom
he believed was interested in the z'ne
trust" had talked to him.
His attitude was one of indifference.
explained Senator Fall. He was not
lobbyist honest or dishonest
Senator Penrose. who wanted To ieAse
town took the stand out of his turn and
testified he had no interest in anything
affected by the tariff except as stock.
holder In the United States Sugar ana
Land Company at Garden City, Kan.
This company has never been sue
cess" he said even under a protective
tariff and either is or will soon be in
the hands Of a receiver.
Gives List of Callers.
Senator Penrose. who was chairman
OF the finance committee in the repub-
lican Senate, was the nrst senator who
could give the committee a complete
list Of all persont who had called upon
him on tariff matters since January l.
LAS chairman Of the committee l
always kept a complete list OF all per
sons who called at the offce, and I
kept up the practice this year. he
said.
senator Penrose gave the names and
addresses of over IFS persons who had
visited him on tariff questions. These
names included manufacturers. attor-
news. labor men. importers and Jobbers
representing scores Of industries. large
and small, that thought they would DO
afYected by changes in the tarin.
..Some of them called on me severai
times" said Penrose II told them AL
was one of the minority party, thar Wa
could do nothing for them, and that they
had better see the democratic subcom-
mittees that were considering the tarin
BILL
Knows of No Lobbyists.
The Pennsylvania senator said he knew
of no Hobbies or lobbyists. and that In
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