Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1913-11-01
StilwelI Refused to Make Flat
Charges in Talk With
HenneSSy.
BITTER AGAINST MURPHY;
EAGER TO JAIL "CHIEF"
But Convicted Senator Insisted
Upon q Pardon in Advance of
Making Revelations.

NEW YORK, November 1.-The con-
tents OF Investigator Hennessy's little
black book so far as they relate to his
conference In Sing Sing with Stephen j.
Stilwell, convicted state senator were
made public here today. The book was
placed in evidence at the John Doe in
quiry yesterday. but was not made public.
It reveals no confession.
The names of Charles +. Murphy. State
Senator Frawley and others are mention
ed, but after fencing for hours with Hen
messy. Stilwell refused to accuse anybody
fatty of anything. insisting that he first
get his pardon. When this was refused
negotiations were dropped.
The interview in the wardens Office, with
stenographer as an eavesdropper, con-
tinued for hours. The stenographic report
is broken and tlisjointea. this being ex-
planned as due to the noise Of passing
trains. The dialogue shows keen verbal
duel between Hennessy and Stilwell-the
latter evasive and fearful of betrayal. the
former seeking diligently fQr disclosures
which he believed might permit sulzer
to challenge impeachment.
Willing to Go Limit.
Stilwell is quoted as having said among
other things:
Hennessy-You mean you want the
pardon before you make affidavit
StilwelEI will give you the affidavit
or anything, but I can't go before the
grand jury. I will go the limit.
Il will prevent them from voting against
the governor. l will put Murphy in Jail,
and Frawley there. too, but I must pro-
tect myself. / must do it. There is no
question but that YOU can get Frawley.
am pretty sure you can impeach' Muir
ply, but there is no question about Fraw-
ley; but l can't see my way clear; I
can't do 1t in justice to myself l know
what 1t means; no one knows better than
/ do. If the pardon is not there I've got
to come back: there is no use talking,
can't do it even II I've got to serve the
limit and take a chance Of killing myself
rather than have il handed to me-
Here the ex-senator continued to de-
mand his pardon first. The record goes
on.
Eager to 'Get' Murphy.
"If I was outside this minute I would
do it. whether / gain anything by it or
not. ] would get Murphy il it was the
last thing did before died. 1 have rea-
sons for doing it. God, my mind has al
most left me-
Hennessy-.'Why is it man like Muir
ply can do these things for years and
years and nobody knows it..
Stilwell-"Because the fellows general
ly are afraid to come out. Where did
Murphy get all his money from? He is
rolling in money-hc never had an Office"
Hennessy-''What is there about Fraw-
ley getting some money from some brew
ery":''
Stilwell-"I can prove that He will
always take money on those things. Each
one OF them got $1,000 a year from the
brewery association interests.
Edward E. Mccall. democratic candi-
date for mayor. in a statement last night
denied the testimony given by John a.
Hennessy at the John Doe inquiry into
the Hennessy and other campaign charges
against Mccall and Talnmany Hall. in so
far as II concerned Mr.. Mccall himself
He declared he had never attended any
conference at which the Impeachment of
Gov. Sulzer was discussed.
Corners Will Not Talk.
BUFFALO. n. Y. November 1-Wil-
liam j. Conners was asked over the tele-
phone about Hennesssy's testimony in
New York. He said:
While MIR. Hennessy is mistaken in
important particulars, I may be sub
poenaed as witness and I believe it Is
better to say nothing more until I am
placed on the stand
Norman f. Mack. former chairman OF
the democratic national committee who
was charged by Hennessy with having
turned over to Charles +. Murphy 5000
collected for campaign purposes, declared
the charge false in a statement given out
here today.
Mr.. Mack recently brought libel action
against Mr.. Hennessy for charging him
in public statement with having ap-
propriated campaign money to his own