New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-21

nor said to me: L see you are having
plenty OF trouble at Albany | answered
that It was true. and he said: L. too.
am having trouble down here with the or
ganization. 1t is almost impossible to get
along with Mr.. Murphy. / predicted
after your election that you would never
be able TO get along with him. Murphy
lie impossible. He wants public officials
20 do things which they cannot do; then
n, abuses them. | have had my share
Of IT,
II explained to the Mayor that while
nv diflculties with Mr.. Murphy had
nartly arisen over appointments and leg
lslation, the most serious trouble was due
TO another cause.
The real fact Mr.. Mayor l said, is
that | am after the grafters and Mr.. Muir
rhv wants me to quit. / have told him
that I will not quit and that l intend to
give the people OF the state an honest
administration. Mayor Gaynor replled:
THAT is right; keep up your fight. !
want 10 see you WIN
The Mayor asked me what progress
was making in my fight for direct nom
= per cent Of the voters of the state were
IN favor Of nominating the candidates
themselves, but that some Of the leaders
were opposed to It because they feared II
might initiate against their power.
Mayor Gaynor's Advice.
MAYOR Gaynor answered: Let me tell
Won we will never have good government
IN the State of New York until the voters,
instead of the BOSSES nominate all candi-
dates | said: I agree with you. and
wish you would give out a statement 10
that effect and in favor Of our bill. he
said; 4 will see about IT, l hope you
win. but | am afraid that with Mr.. Muir
phy's control he will beat your bill again
However. do not give up the struggle. IL
&c right and it will win some OF these
days
las was leaving the Mayor he said 10
,,e. Take the advice Of an old man.
you do what you think Is right and not
what Mr.. Murphy tells you to do. That
is what have been doing. II you do
what M. Murphy tells you to do, instead
n what your conscience tells you 10 do.
van will be a very much dlscredlted man
before your term of office Is over.
Frauds and Corruption the Real Issue.
Now. many people believe that the
troubles between Mr. Murphy and myself
have arisen largely from disagreements
over patronage or appointments and re-
royals from Office said Mr.. Sulzer
This is so TO some extent. Many people
believe that Mr.. Murphy and | quarrelled
on account Of legislation which he wanted
approved or disapproved. This is also
true to some extent
"The real trouble, however, arose when
discovered through agencies which set
AZ work the tremendous frauds and over
whelmlnq corruption existing in various
DEPARTMENTS of the state government, by
which a few politicians and contractors
were robblng the taxpayers OF millions OF
dollars every year.
oyhen | discovered these frauds and
had the overwhelming proof OF them SUD
mitted TO me l determined as matter
Of duty 10 defy Mr.. Murphy, regardless or
political or personal consequences.
Even now, condemned by the Court or
Impeachment and stripped of my great
office. | am not sorry that I did my duty
10 the people. | would do 1t again in
spite Of the danger.
impeachment Unless He Called on
Hennessy.
"a nrominent New York City man came
TO me from Mr. Murphy one day In June
and told me In plain language that
would be lmpeached unless ! abandoned
nv opposition to Mr.. Murphy, and espe-
elaIy unless abandoned the effort 10
Indlet the criminals who were connected
With the highways and canal steals.
AT that time Commissioner Hennessy
was beginning to get close to the thieVes'
This man said that If would consent 10
call off MIR. Hennessy the Impeachment
proceedings would not be begun. SAID
would not for a moment consider an!
such action.
The truth is that IL l had been WILLING
10 connive at corruption. If l had been
willing to act as a plant and serVile tooI
for the men whose sole conception OF
politics is plundering the public. there
would not have been so much as prealh
OF attack upon me. or suggestion OF
Impeachment proceedings.
~ was lmpeached because ! refused 10
call off Mr.. Hennessy, because sci IN
motion the machinery which led TO in
dictments by several grand juries, and
which have unearthed statewide FRAUDS
running into many millions OF dollars In
twenty two counties, in connection Win
the highways and canals OF the state.
This and my fight for direct nominal
tons severed all relations between MI.
Murphy and myself and marked me Tor
political slaughter. II was matter OF
self. preservation for Mr.. Murphy and his
Heutenants."
Governor SulZer ceased his restless pac-
Ing and looked out of the window where
throng Of newspaper men fresh from
The last scene in the Court Of lmpeach-
nent stood and looked at the Executive
Mansion. One of them was hurriedly
writing a dispatch. using his arm for
rest. The servants in the Executive Man
sion were busy drawing down the window
shades everywhere, now that the news OF
me verdict was spreading.
A melancholy smile came into the Gov
ernors face and he slowly shook bis
iawny head as he turned away.
The signal for my destruction was soon
sksn," he said 1T was on Sunday,
the eighteenth Of May | think. that