The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-06-11
Carter and Ballou Ad-
NIT Campaign Is
Costly.
BOTH DENY THERE
is COMBINAT
For Six Hours Two of Men Who
Conduct Fight in Washington
for Hawaiian Producers Out
line Their Activities to SEN
ate Lobby Investigating
Committee.

Washington. June 10-For six
hours to-day former Governor Carter
and Sidney Ballou. two of the men
who have conducted the fight Of
Hawaiian producers In Washington to
Senate lobby investigating committee
their activities here and elsewhere
Governor Carter testified that he was
paid nothing and received only his ex-
pcnses Mr.. Ballou said he was the
regular agent of the sugar producers
600 year and $4,000 a year for ex-
penses Both agreed that about $780,
900 had been spent by the sugar peo-
pie In their campaign against FREQ
sugar. but denied that there had been
any tangible combination between the
United States Cane and Beet and
Hawaiian Cane producers with n com
mon fund. directed to influencing legis-
lation. The session at times grew
warm.
Senator's Walsh and Reed put Gov
ernor Carter through a sharp CROSS
examination. under which the witness
appeared fully able to take care of
himself He declared that an audience
with President Wilson for the Ha-
waiian sugar men had been denied by
Secretary Tumulty. and that mem
Der Of the Senate Finance Subcommlt-
tee in charge OF sugar had suggested
that they be given hearing after
the passage OF the bill" Mr. Ballou
said later that Senator Gore has made
this statement.
Advocated by Party.
Governor Carter said that three SEN
ators-Swanson, Lewis and Williams
had told him or Hawaiian friends that
theY were not In sympathy with free
sugar. but since IL was advocated by
inc Democratic party they must vote
for 1t, He declared that he had got
no satisfaction when he spoke OF hear
ings to members of the Cabinet, Con
gressmen and Senator's
Secretary Lane told me-" he said
that II was a Legislative matter and
the administration had nothing to dc
with 1t, l called up here. and they told
me II was an executive matter and
they had nothing to do with it."
I'm a Bull Mooser'" he said, in
response to Senator Cummins's aues-
ton as to his politics.
Mr. Ballous testimony was largely
corroborative OF that given by Gov
ernor Carter.
Senator Reed so worded question
at one time to arouse the criticism
Of Senator Nelson
You can't dictate his answer for
him" said Mr.. Nelson: "this isn't a
police court"
NO, but it ought to be a place where
I
tlemep." retorted Senator Reed
Chairman Overman raped for order
and the incident ended
Senator Reed asked BaIlou if the
hawaiian planters were not anxious
for return of the penal labor system
He read statement to this effect from
what he said was q Suppressed" re-
port by Daniel j. Keefe. former Com
missioner of Immigration.
There are about as many gentlemen
IN Hawaii who favor n return to that
system as there are gentlemen in the
South who favor a return to slavery
answered the witness.
Quotes Kecfc Report.
senator Reed quoted at length from
the keefe report on conditions in
Hawaii. The witness declared most Of
Mr.. keefes statements were false. =
and he offered in reputtnl report writ
ten by Victor S. Clarke, an employe OF
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