The Washington times., 1913-03-17
OFFICERS ON STAND
TO DEFEND CHIEF
Captain Sullivan Denies Men
Thought Orders Were Not to
Be Carried Out.
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azine article containing picture of
Miss Paul being displayed at the meet
ing of the captains before the parade.
Mention was made of the fact she was
arrested in England, but no disrespect
to her was meant or shown
You never had any reason to believe
the orders were issued to be winked
mo, sir"
Captain Doyle was emphatic in this.
He related his experiences with touch
of humor which caused many of the
suffragists to laugh aloud at times.
Talked With Major.
He said he talked with Major Syl-
vester on the Avenue at 2:3o but 1t
was not until later that he, Captain
Doyle, became apprehensive lest the
crowd could not be controlled.
Telling of the difficulties in getting
the crowds back. he said: They sim
ply overwhelmed u.s.
Asked about the criticisms that many
police were seen doing nothing, No
said:
"On several occasions I saw a number
of my men who were apparently doing
nothing. They We're exhausted, like
myself. The specials were doing All
they could. The only arrest IN my oi-
vision was by a special
Asked pointblank If he believed Major
Sylvester did all he could do in ad-
vance Of the parade to protect 1t, he
said he did. II authority had been given
to clear the Avenue all day by Con-
gress, he said. there would have been
no trouble and you gentlemen would
not have been here today, having US
before YOU
mounted men in his division March 3
as he did on March 4, he could have i'm
proved conditions
Footmen Powerless.
IF I had had five times the footmen
emphaticallyg We couldn't have done any
more than we did do"
He declared 1t was the jolliest crowd
/ ever got into" About half were
women. He alluded to the fact he had
handled the baseball park crowd for
years. This was far more difficult.
: Captain Doyle said while the police
mend them for doing many things. 1t
was at his suggestion two floats were
put abreast. Asked II 1t helped, he said:
The last saw of 'em. they were
T. on their way"
He commended twelve Massachusetts,
militiamen for helping protect the pa
rade at Tenth street. at his request, and
said they were not drunk. either. 1t
was true that a drunken soldier had
fallen into the line. Captain Doyle said
that was his fault. He said one soldier
did jump on float, but il was in excess
of zeal in trying to protect the paarde.
Captain Doyle told of striking with his
baton one rough who reached out to
grab a lady in the parade.
you've broken my arm said the
man.
ut ought to have been your neck"
said the captain.
Upholds Chief.
Capt j. Thomas Hollinberger, twen-
.ty-nine years on the force, four years
a captain, who was stationed between
Tenth and Fourteenth street, like
Captain Doyle and Captain Sullivan.
upheld Major Sylvester and the men
He declared orders were given to
protect the women from all insults.
He never heard Major sylvester refer
TO the parade lightly. Nor did he be-
orders were not to be obeyed to the
letter. He did not anticipate trouble
in keeping the Avenue clear.
As to the incident when at the meet
ing OF police captains the picture of
Miss Paul in a magazine was shown.
Captain Holliberger said there was
no intention of being disrefpectful.
1t was after 3 O'Clock the day Of
The parade that CAPTAIN Hollinberger
realized he could not hold the crowd
back. 1t got beyond control. He de-
>scribed the difficulties of dealing with
il. but said 1t was good-natured. He
saw no dfSrespect shown Daraders-
Senator Jones announced that the
hearings would be discontinued until
The extra session, unless the members
of .she investigating committee remain
in Washington during the recess.
Capt. Daniel Sullivan. who has been
on the force twenty-four years. and has
heen a captain seven years, was the
first witness this morning. Captain
Sullivan firmly denied that there was
any understanding that the orders of
Major Sylvester were to be winked at.
Under Inspector Boyle, Captain Sui
hvan had charge Of keeping clear the
roadway leading around the Ellipse
south Of the White House. He super
vised about thirty men. He was not on
Pennsylvania avenue.
Ordered To Protect.
About half his men We're regulars and
half specials. He told the committee
he was able TO keep the roadway clear
He experienced no serious difficulty.
-Four mounted police We're with him.
Asked what his orders were, Captain
Sullivan explained he had received the
written orders Of Major Sylvester. and
added: I'VE received orders to afford
the paraders every protection"
Did You understand these orders
were to be literally observed?
Il certainly did, SIR
Did you have any understandin
these orders were issued merely for ef-
fect?'
Il certainly did not