Newark evening star and Newark advertiser. [volume] (Newark, N.J.) 1909-1916, 1913-07-31
M'CARTER QUIZ
ROLLS MULHALL:;
! REED SAVES HIM
Direct CrOss=ExaminatiOn Halt
ed When Police Force Dis
missal Question Is Asked.
tNFORMER THEN REPLIES
THROUGH THE COMMITTEE
Denies PeddIing Story and Did
Not Split Its Sale Price
With Barry.


M Mulhalrs cross-examination by
attorneys for the National Associa-
tion of Manufacturers, before the
Senate lobby committee today opened
up with a lively row between Senator
Reed and Attorney Robert McCarter.
McCarter insisted on asking ques-
tions himself. Senator Reed insisted
that all questions should go through
the committee. Chairman Overman
ruled with Senator Reed t,s-..
McCarter precipitated the outbreak
by asking Mulhall If he had not been
discharged from the Cleveland police
force ten years ago for violation of
State law. Mulhall replied he was
dismissed for political reasons and
demanded counsel,
Mud-throwing Accusation.
ST was advised by friends to re-
fuse to answer" he exclaimed. II
want counsel, 1 insist on 1t and re-
fuse to go on until have it. I'll go
to Jail before I'll answer questions
about my personal affairs thirty or
forty years ago."
Instead of being designed to throw
light on this case, many of these ques-
tions are designed to throw mud at
the Witness" declared Senator Reed.
"This is an investigation; not a trial.
insist you have no right to say
word here" he concluded addressing
McCarter.
Mulhall withdrew his demand for
counsel and the hearing proceeded
with the attorneys submitting their
questions to Chairman Overman
MuIhali Uses Shorter Word.
us it not true that Samuel H
Springer, who resides at your house,
tried to dispose of these letters to the
Philadelphia Press and the Philadel-
phia Record?" Mulhall was asked.
It's vicious lie," he shouted
Mulhall denied that he ever offered
the correspondence to two magazines
or to the New York Times He denied
having made statement to Richard
Barry, who was representing him,
that the manufacturers association
would pay $150,o0O for the documents,
&c they could not be disposed eof to
Sapers or magazines.
Mulhall denied that he agreed Bar
~ should sell the letters to the New
York World for $4,000 and that he
would be content with $1,000; but
later he testified that at Barry's sug
gestion he did agree. He never paid
Barry.
Didn'tProduce All Letters.
Have you produced all letters be-
tween you and the association" ?"
asked Senator Cummings.
Il believe ! have not"
Mulhall swore that payment of
monthly sums to ]. H. McMichael,
one time chief page of the House;
Harry Parker, messenger to the ways
and means committee and the
speakers doorkeeper We're made with
the knowledge and consent of ]. II.
Emery. counsel for the manufactur-
ers He testified that the payments
began in 1909 and ran through most
of 1910 and 1911. Questions were de-
signed to show that Emery was on
the Pacific coast and in Europe many
months in those years. Mulhall con-
tended that when Emery was away
the three were not paid and the sums
were made up later.
Gompers Wanted Letter.
MulhalY swore that Samuel Com
pers, president of the American
Federation of Labor, and jackson H.
Ralston, attorney for that organia-
ton, tried to secure the letter he laid
before the Senate committee more
than a year ago. The committee
read letter from Mulhall to John
Kirby, jr, president of the Manufac-
turers' Association. dated July %,
1872 in which he spoke of ain inter-
view with Gompers in Washington
and a telephone conversation with
Ralston in Baltimore. He wrote
Kirby that he would never sell OUT
to the enemies of the association
Ralston, he swore, tried hard to get
the papers. but he refuesd to give
them up.
Mulhall previously testified that he
offered to give the papers to Com
pers, who declined to take them
Letter Shows Wilson Promise.
Senator Nelson asked about a pub
lished statement that Mulhall had
spent 100000 bribing voters and in
lobby work. Mulhall couldn't tell
now just how much he had spent and
thought 100000 must be a mistake
The lawyers asked if the total of his
expenditures was not about 5000,
but Mulhall said he did not know if
that amount was right
The lawyers put in a letter Mulhall
wrote General Manager Bird Septem-
Der n, 1872 saying Samuel Gompers,
John Mitchell and Frank Morrison,
of the American Federation of Labor,
had gotten a promise from President
Wilson, then governor of New Jer-
sey to support Representative
Hughes for senator
John G. Shreve secretary to Con-
gresham Gardner was his source of
information, he said.