New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-12
ARCHBISHOP FOR CHURCH
AND STATE PARTITION
Principle as Vital to Catholicism
as to AmeriCaniSm, ireland
Tells Convention
BOTH IN FULL AGREEMENT
Women's National Organization
Urged to Keep Suffrage Out
of Discussion Because
Church Is Undecided.
rBy telegraph to The Tribune. !

BY Telekraph 10 The tribune.
Milwaukee. Aug. 1.-THE partition Of
jurisdiction into the spiritual and the
temporal is a vital principle Of Catholi-
cism; no less is it a vital principle Of
Americanism Catholicism and Ameri-
canism are in complete agreement"
So declared Archbishop ireland tonight
at the convention Of the Federation Of
Catholic Societies. Archbishop Ireland's
subject was Catholicism and American
ism" He added:
In America the government is the
republic-the government Of the people
by the people and for the people. With
YOU. fellow Catholics, with YOU. fellow
Americans. ] salute the Republic.
thank God that the people Of America
are capable Of possessing a government
of this form-the Republic. It is the fun
est recognition of human dignity and
human rights the fullest grant OF per-
Sonal freedom. that due regard for the
rights Of others and the welfare OF the
social organism may allow.
Alter it to an empire or monarchy.
Never. so long as our lips may praise II
or our hands WELD a sword in its de-
fence Permit the barbarous onslaughts
Of lawlessness and anarchy 10 undermine
its foundation or loosen the cement bind
Ing together its walls! Never. so long
as life still throbs within our bosoms.
Do Not Covet Civil Power
They know us little who accuse US OF
coveting civil and political power that
We may dim the splendor of the fairest
flower in the garden of Amercanism. our
combats If combats there be, are never
against the liberties of America. but in
defence of them; never against America.
but against such of its sons whose souls
never yet have thrilled I'm full response
10 its teachings and Inspirations.
Now and then, even in otherwise in
telligent quarters. a charge. if not Of
anti-Catholicism at least Of un-Ameri-
canism. is laid 10 the toor Of the Cath
Ole Church. Substantially it is this:
The Catholic Church in its faith and
morals does not bear the stamp Made
in America. II is un-American 10 go
across the Atlantic or the Pacific for
aught that America uses or needs-even
for it's religion. Now. the head OF the
Catholic Church is the Bishop OF Rome,
z foreigner: its general councils. com
posed of men of all nations-foreigners
In the majority Europeans. Asiatics and
Afrcans-legislate in faith and morals
for America. Why not a Pope strictly
American? Why not councils as those
Of other religious bodies, exclusively
made up OF Americans
Catholic Church Extra American.
Yes. the Catholic Church is extra
American. in the SENSE that il is supra
national. begotten for all nations. not for
American alone; its supreme Pontif Is
extra-American. supra-national-a for
eigner on no spot OF the earth's surface.
everywhere at home. as the spiritual
father Of all tribes and Of all peoples
who seek divine truth from a universal
God and a universal Savious.'
Speaking Of secular schools. Archbishop
Ireland said:
Not against state schools as such do
raise objections. but as TO the methods
In which they work-methods that. what
ever the theory be. do in fact consecrate
secularism as the religion Of America
and daily are thither driving America
with the fioodtide of Niagara"
Urqed to Bar Suffrage Talk.
The Catholic women's national organi-
cation being formed here will be entirely
independent Of the Catholic Mems Fedora
ton and will bear the name Of league
so as not 10 conflict with the name Of the
other organization. This was laid down
Nv Archbishop S G. Messmer in his
speech before the two hundred women at
the first organization meeting.
Keep the question of suffrage out Of
the discussion entirely" he said. I'VE
will not declare for and we will not de-
clare against IL. Whatever personal opin-
ions we may have. the Church has not
vet decided what its stand is
we \are not prepared 10 discuss the
great principles underlying this problem.
7 consider il one Of the greatest and most
important Of all the difficult social ques-
lions Of the day. The question OF the
true position Of woman in society taxes
more than the discussion in the maya
zines and the newspapers to settle Tor
loyal Catholic"
The report OF the secretary OF the feu-
Grafton showed a vast growth in the
federation during the last year. The num-
her OF members is three million.
Charles l. Denechaud, Of New orleans
federation president. denounced immoral
plavs. including vaudeville shows and the
motion picture houses. socialism. white
slave traffic and some phases OF the
American newspapers.
"The last November election must nave
brought thinking men TO realization
that socialism will become factor IN the
affairs OF our country. unless the toner II
aroused from the soothing dream OF an
imaginary heaven upon earth" he SAID
Al the social service conference TINS
afternoon the Rev. Salvatore Cianci' OF
Grand Rapids. Mich. decried the press "
America as unfair in it's dealings WIN
the Italians He laughed at the ldea OF
"Black Hand organization.
Limit the amount OF income-prouu0''ie
,ronertv that an indiidual may possess IS
The solution Of all economic Ills suggested
,,y Joseph ]. DEWEY, Of Cleveland ne
you'd set a limit Of 100000 for each III
divdual. and yet retain the present sSs.
,a,o ~ private ownership. Mr.. DEWEY
IL rs system individualism or imi'a-
a. a. the foe of socialism.