New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-11-02

Hennessy--We won't attack the Senate
but we would like to show up some OF the
people who are so active. 1t is very
doubtful II we will ever need any Of 1t.
Stiwell-I said no. ! didn't want any
: of my friends implicated it's all under
! stood.
Herpessy-As far as Murphy is con-
cerned, there are a couple Of others as
active in II. Now, to get down to facts.
Stiwell-There were two men only-in
my statement.
| Hennessy--Frawley and Murphy.
Said He'd Be Honest.
Stilwell-The others, expected to give
them an opportunity to do as I asked
them to do in regard 10 the impeachment
and then IL they don't do il, then It's a
different proposition. Well, what wanted
to do Is TO furnish proof against two men,
and then have additional proof against the
/ others who you do not want to Involve
unless they go against the Governor. i
will give them an opportunity first VIII
be honest and frank with you. Give me
an opportunity and II they do (noo wan'
TO protect the Governor under these con-
dtions / will do the other way.
Hennessy--Who are these two men!
Stilwell--Frawley and Murphy.
Hennessy-Are you willing to tell me
| the names Of these others?
Stilwell--Not unless the pardon IS here'
Hennessy-You mean you want the par
don before you make affidavit?
Stilwel-I will give you the affidavit or
anything, but / can't so before the grand
Jury. 1 will go the limit. will prevent
them from voting against the Governor.
| I will put Murphy in Jail and Frawley
there, too, but must protect myself. !
| must do 1t
Hennessy-You must also understand
how we are situated. We need protec-
ton, too, absolutely all the way; there Is
! no limit-if you want TO do it in way
| that will please the public.
Must Have His Data.
Stilwell-I couldn't go before the grand
| jury before I got my data. i got to get
my notes speaking rapidly, I've got 70
get the dates, I've got TO get what hap
| pened last year, I've got to get my
memorandum. Now, there's my diary Of
| last year: l can't do it now; I've got to
get all those bills If you want to win. I've
| got to give you the proper dates, I've got
| TO get all the bills, I've got to get among
certain things the date when the money
was paid to this man and the money PAID
over to him. I've got 10 get this man to
say so. My testimony alone without cor
| rnl,o fo Wifi ~ TO YOU.
This isn't thing that you can shoot on
| in the hands; you want to 90 In II thor
oughly.
| Hennessy-How can we decide on that
unless you furnish a statement? The
way this pardon will come-the pardon
will read this way This pardon
will be to have you taken down to the
| District Attorneys Office 10 give certain
testimony, and that your word IL cor
roborated. The Governor says that you
should be pardoned-the pardon is al
ready written and is there.
Stilwell-In other words, they don't
| trust me; they get me down there like a
prisoner and want 10 keep me there. NOW,
| II he has got possession Of II you nave
got the Governor in a position where they
| can impeach the pardon because III
we haven't they can use the war
den on you can ask any one ana
they will tell you that will hurt the Gov
ernor. Now, If Frawley is in position
to transmission interrupted BY
passing trains)
FrawIey Probe Under Way.
Hennessy-By sending the District At
torney what you have. lie now has an
investigation of Frawley under way. Muir
phy-I have no objections In telling you
that Mr.. Murphy is included with Frawley
in this proposition Now. to speak about
another matter-about your statement
| about Frawley?
Stilwell-There is no question but that
you can get Frawley. / am pretty sure
you can impeach Murphy, but there Ia no
question about Frawley, but can't see
nv way clear, | can't do IL In justice To
myself. | know what II means; no one
knows better than do. II the pardon Is
not there I've got to come back; there Is
no use talking, / can't do IL, even II I've
got to serve the limit and take a chance
of killing myself rather than have II
handed 10 me.
Hennessy-There cant be no positive
assurance about that.
Stilwell-Everthing is changed every
time | see them. ! told you what ! was
willing TO do. ] will do 1t to-day. | vii
do anything to put Murphy in Jail.
know what he has done. know all about
il. Other people don't know, but If ! was
free l would go ahead and do 1t myself
but / can't do It myself, it is utterly i'm
possible!
Then followed a discussion Ct graft II
the Legislature In which Frawley's name
was mentioned Stilwell talked vaguely
and on being urged to tell the whole
truth Stilwell replied:
Stilwell-Why, then, FTawley and they
will get together and prove that was Z
perjurer. l got to make out an affidavit
to protect myself with. l don't wan
them to turn around and say / was {
perjurer. not unless this man Is willing
II / made an affidavit Frawley can't &c
me. He had to get the money somewhere
can prove he got the money. | saw tn
gentleman turn the money over to Fraw
ley. II I'm going into IT, Mr.. Hennessy.
don't want any question about proving
the facts, and there Will be no doubt o
the proof where the money was collected