Evening times-Republican. [volume] (Marshalltown, Iowa) 1890-1923, 1913-06-03
SENATOR PEMRosE COMES NEAR.
EST REVEALING PRESENCE
OF AGENTS OF INTERESTS,
DECLARES oLD-TlME LOBBY
LONG AGO DISAPPEARED
Other Senators Called as Witnesses
Before Committee Testify That No
fluence Them For or Against Pend
ing Tariff Legislation.

Washington, June 3. = The second
day of the senate probe for the lobby"
began with approximately one-fifth OF
the total number Of senators disposed
Of. At such a rate of progress it would
take four days more to finish the in
vestigation. The senate has allowed
ten.
With the morning, afternoon and
night sessions and under the consent
of the senate itself to absent them
selves from regular sessions in order
to hear witnesses, members of the sub
committee taking testimony were con-
ddent today that they would finish this
week.
Senator Brady, of Idaho, one Of the
new members, had not finished his tes-
timony last night and he was ready 10
proceed today. The first days inquiry
had not definitely located the lobby"
nor developed the names OF any
lobbyists" using improper methods, IN
the opinion Of senators, to influence
their action on the tariff.
Mclean Has "caiIers."
Senator Mclean, however. was called
as the first witness He testified ne
was a small stockholder in several
corporations, but he had never sought
to influence senators because OF his In
terests. He gave list of callers VINO
discussed the tariff with him.
Among Senator McLean's Connecti-
cut callers were Marcus l. Floyd. OF
Hartford. and Fred Griffin. Of Tariff
Vile; Horace B. Cheney, South Man
chester; George L. Cheney. Deep
River; l. d. Russell, New Britain; Col
W. w. skiddy. Stamford; Frederick e.
Kip. Bridgeport; H. NJ. Greist, and Mr.
Esign.
Psnrose Says Lobbies Are Good.
Senator Penroze today told the epe-
cial committee hunting for the lobby
that in his sixteen years Of experience
in Washington he never had known any
attempts to Improperly influence mem
bers of congress-. Hsa gayA1 1thaa names
Of ITS persons who had called on him
since Jan. /, on the tariff, but declared
that none was a lobbyist" In the gen.
eral acceptance OF the term.
1T is well known that certain inter-
ests have agents here" said the sena-
tor, "and suppose they are paid SAL
aries. They evidently get information
for their organisations. Their work is
perfectly legitimate. I have seen Mr
Burgess for the pottery interests here
for years, and Mr.. Brown for the cotton
people. Their work is perfectly legiti-
mate as far as I know. Ny opinion is
that the lobbyist is principally q thing
of the past. Congressional committees
pay little attention to them now"
Simply There to Argue.
Senator Penrose thought that prob
ably Winthrop L. Marvin, of Boston.
represented the wool people" In Wash
ington, and Senator Reed was insistant
to learn if Marvin ever had anything to
do with fixing the tariff on wool or
Brown with the cotton tariff. Senator
Penrose insisted the men did nothing
more than present arguments to sena-
tors and representatives and that
neither had anything to do with making
rates of the Payne law.
Senator Reed did develop on cross
examination. however. that Mr.. Marvin
at one time was secretary OF joint
congressional committee to investigate
the merchants marine.
Same Old Crowd.
Senator PenroSe was the livellest VII
ness of the morning session. Other
senators testified they knew of no un-
due influences and told of their person :
al interests. The list Of 175 names
which Mr.. Penrose gave the committee
was made up of manufacturers, labor
| leaders, attorneys, importers, and
others who feared they would be at
fected by tariff changes.
The steel industry and coal interests
of PENNSYLVANIA have had no per-
manent representatives in Washington
for many years, Senator Penrose said
THEW custom of Keeping representa- :
tives in Washington had died out ten
or twelve years ago." He estimated
that no more than 40 per cent as many
persons had come to Washington tar
iff business this year as compared with
four years ago but reiterated thet the
persons here now were here at pre-
vious tariff revisions.
Interest on Wans.
The audience at today's inquiry
thinned down to four within the first
hour.
Senator Dillingham; testified he had
no financial interest In any business
affected by the tariff or other legisla-
ton and represented no one wh3 mao.
He could not remember the names OF
persons who had talked with him ex-
cept q Mr. Ullman. Of New York, who
urged that no duty he put on green
furs. He knew ct no lobby or the use
Of money to affect legislation.
Senator Fletcher gave among the
| names Of his visitors r.. e. Berriman.
of Chicago and Tampa, in regard to
Havana cigars: G. Harold Powell. rep
resenting California citrus fruit inter-
ests and Mr.. Davie, Of Colorado and
Florida. concerning beet sugar busi-
ness.
Senator Fall testified he was large
owner Of cattle. horses. sheep and coal.
He gave the names OF es:.:..!e.ce.: who
had visited him in the interest of
health restrictions on the importation
OF meats and officials Of wool grow
erI association. urging duties on wool