New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-09-25

Sulzer for his campaign expenses! A
This is the check of my firm. and not my
individual check. and when | gave u OUT
OF my hands 10 Mr.. Richards ! put TINS
notation so as TO identify the check
have already said that by the expression
Campaign fund" or campaign expenses
mean something very general II II
simply an expression which / USED When
I gave the check and which I put on IL
for its identification.
o-Mr. Schif, when you say that 1t
was a general expression do you mean
anything else but that you did not inteno
10 restrict Mr. Sulzer I'm the use or MS
money Just 50 long as he used II for
campaign purposes; isn't that what you
meant? A.-That is a question OF no"
my mind ran.
kreseI Searches His Mind.
Owe are TO inquire into it, Ar
I searched my mind ! would say to you
that Governor Sulzer could have had this
$500 at any time and for any purpose
and, II | had been very careful, ] would
not have probably used the words cam
paign expenses" because really meant
that he should have the free use OF II.
Odd you intend, Mr.. Schiff, that he
might use IT for any purpose whatsoever?
A.-For any legitimate purpose.
O.-Do you mean by that Mr.. Schin,
any legitimate purpose connected with MS
campalgn 10 be elected Governor? A.
II is very difficult after eight months 10
state exactly what was in my mind. but
so much is certain that at that time IN
tended 10 aid Governor Sulzer personally
by giving him this $4,000 for campaign
expenses in the first instance, or other
wise as he deemed fit.
Senator Thompson asked the witness If
at the time he gave this check he be-
lleved Governor Sulzer was TO be elected
Il had very little doubt Of H." answered
Mr. Schiff
The banker was followed on the stand
by MIR. Morgenthau. His story. told under
examination by Mr.. Kresel. was as fol-
lows:
Governor Sulzer came 10 my once on
october and told me that he wanted TO
thank me for what I had done 10 help
him in bringing about his nomination.
and expressed the wish and the hope that
7 would be Of some use 70 him after he
was elected.
1--WE talked about the general situation.
and while talking ] either made out
check myself or had my clerk make out
check for s., 900. and signed It and hand
ed II 10 the Governor. He said 10 me: l
didn't expect that from you. don't want
it. because you are doing so much Tor the
national committee ] said. however.
did want to help him. and gave him the
check. and he took it. The whole con-
versation was less than three or four
minutes"
He identified the check. returned to MN
after having been paid. On cross-exami-
nation by Mr. Marshall. he said he had
known sulzer intimately and had been
friendly with him for twenty years
Nothing had been said in his conVersa-
ton about the use of the contribution
and he intended no limitation. Thereupon
Kresel took the witness in hand again.
His redirect examination follows;
O.-Mr. Morgenthau, had you given Mr..
sulzer any money before that? A-No'
sir.
Didn't you give II to him because ne
was the nominee Of the Democratic party
for Governor? A.-Certainly.
Just an Act Of Generosity.
Didn't you give it in order to help
him along TO being Governor OF the STATE
Of New York? AT the time l felt posi-
tive he would be Governor. 1t was sim
ply TO help him. ! was foolishly generous
and thought would give II 70 him.
O.-You knew that as candidate Tor
Governor he would have to pay certain
EXPENSES I'm the running of his campaign
Ayes. sir.
O.-Was il your intention, in giving
him this 81 900 TO help him pay those eN-
penses? A.-That is inferential. / don
want
Owe are dealing now with intentions
The court has permitted II. and am ask
ing you whether that vas your intention!
Al really could not tell you "ha' my
intentions were. | felt ] wanted 10 hsip
him. | sat there as chairman Oh 'he
finance committee-was handing 'he
funds-and he came in. and 1t fiattered me
70 think that he wanted my help In the
future. and | wanted to help him.
Q.-Help him in what? AIN his eIcc-
tlon-in his canvass.
Senator Coats-I would like to ask MI
Morgenthau il Mr. SuZer had not peen
a candidate for Governor. II he "onio
have given the sl.00C as spontaneously DIS
he did?
The witness-Certainly not.
Mr.. Goodwin. the paying teller, was the
DAYS last witness. He made considerable
trouble for the lawyers by refusing TO
identify some Of the alleged Sulzer IN
dorsements. which really we're not ques-
toned by the defence. lie VIII be on 'fe
stand again tomorrow.
The prosecution expects TO call to-mor-
row Abram l. Elkus, John Lynn, BIRD .
Coler, Lewis J. Conlin and other contrib
utors 10 the SulZer funds.