New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-03-09
ADMITS Low WAGE
MAY LEAD TO SHAME
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girls received IS, twenty-four -
twenty-three So 80 and six So. THESE
last were errand girls, mostly brought
in by their parents, who wanted them
to learn the business so they might ad-
vance to higher salaries, he said.
IF one of your SO girls lost her virtue
would it hurt your conscience?" asked
OHara
yes. certainly"
Would you hold yourself respon-
sible?"
well. now, let's think. Would /!
Here's a girl brought In by her par
ents, living at home. Should l be re-
sponsible? / think not. / think the
parents would be responsible"
Never BIackiisted Girls.
The witness said he never had heard
of a girl being blacklisted for bad con-
duct, but did know of floorwalker VINO
had suffered that fate for immortality.
Hillnan admitted that he was a SELF
made man. He started at work at 81 q
week as a cash boy
Gould you live on it?" inquired the
chairman of the commission.
well, my father earned $l4. and my
80 helped out. | walked to and from
work"
Readiness Of the big merchant TO
agree with the commission surprised
and pleased the legislators. For in
stance. Mr. O'Hara asked IL 1t had ever
occurred TO him 10 investigate applica-
tions for positions 10 ascertain whether
the applicant could live on the salary
i'm prospect. IT had never occurred To
him. he said but it's good idea
Mr. IIllman. will YOU promise this
commission TO hire such an investi-
gator
Yes. certainly; glad to; it's a good
idea" and the witness nodded his iron
gray head emphatically.
Asked what he thought girl could
support herself on Independently, Hill
HAN Sill - VI 90 a "''hs
81 could live on sl2 myself Yes.
could squeeze through on so. | think "
he added.
so IS or 50 would sustain A girl In
Chicago, but 1t would not leave much
for the movies and soda, would it,
observed Senator JUL.
NO: guess you can't get frivolous on
that" laughed IIillman.
Grow or Co."
James Simpson. of Marshall Field 4
co. who declined Yesterday to disclose
the profits of his firm. offered the com
mission private access To the books of
the company. Hilman also agreed IL
do the same.
Senator Beall, addressing the latter
as self-made man, asked If he gave
his employees the same chance to adj
vance that he had.
You bet" replied the merchant
1--WE want 'cm to advance. Why
there's sign in my office, Grow OF
| Co."
Senator Tosscy asked if there was a
taclt agreement among the retailers
whereby one would not outbid the other
/ 10 obtain desirable clerk. The an
swer WAS an emphatic denial Mr.
/ Hillman said clerks were always leav-
, ing one firm TO go with another.
Representative Lloyd told the wit
ness that the report of the Chicago
Vice Commission showed that many de-
partment store girl led lives of shame
/ This was news To him, said Hillman
who denied any such condition in his
store.
! why" he exclaimed. "let me tell
/ YOU about one of those Washers who
are always taking UP the time Of the
girls. Two weeks ago one of our de-
tectivcs caught one OF them, and.
honest. when that bull got through
with him he was "A sight. Honest. he
got more than WAS coming to him.