New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-29
Story of Prison Conversations
Greatly Restricted by Coun-
sci of Ex-senator, Who
Holds Them Confidential.
TELLS OF CHIEFS THREAT
Relates Midnight Conference
at Delmonico's with Muir
ply, but Subject Is Not
Revealed by Sulzer
Investigator.

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future use. He explained the circum-
stances Of his talk with Stilweli in Sing
Sing, saying that parts of the conver-
sation were confidential, and not 10 be
revealed unless Stilwell was pardoncd.
! Other parts. according to Hennessys s
understanding, were open and non-con-
fidential.
But Stilwell's counsel, he said, sent
word to him yesterday that Stilwcll
considered most of that conversation
as confidential, so that there were Only
/ a few matters about which Hennessy
felt free to talk last night
Chief among them was this statement
by Stilwell about an alleged converse
tion with Murphy, which Hennessy
read from the book containing the
typewriter pages which he has an
nounced constitute the stenographer's
detectaphone record Of the Stilwell
/ conference:
What the Stenoerapher Got.
He made arrangements to meet me
at II O'clock in Tammany Hall. l
don't remember the date. but | have
1t in my diary. Just before l. o'clock
the telephone bell rang, and with MUIR
ply on the other end. He said You'd
better not come TO see me at Tam
many Hall: meet me at Delmonico's'
! will be there | said. Very well, |
will be over there So | went over.
He has big room there. With
/ him were Tom Smith and Phil Dono-
/ hue. | went upstairs, and there were
Smith and Donohue with Murphy. He
/ told Smith and Donohue to get out
/ of the room. Murphy and ] were
/ alone in the room when they went out.
He said: IF you don't do this thing /
am going to Kill you politically | VIII
kill YOU financially. This thing has
got TO 20 through. You have got TO
stop making up combinations with
: Senators up there
"The result OF II was I said | would
do that. He said: Wagner will be
there and will submit the referendum
to you. You have got to get up and
make fight for the people. You
must get up and do it and get It
through that way
! Hennessy would not explain what
the matter was that was talked over
between Murphy and Stilwell, hut inti-
mated that he would have to leave II
all 10 inference until later. Without
definitely promising or announcing
anything specifically TO that effect
Henncssy conveyed the impression that
he might make public the entire Still
well record later in the week
Hennessy described at length his pre-
liminary converse ton with Stilwell, in
which Stilwell had insisted that he
should have a pardon before he would
Go anything, and he explained that
Stilwell's idea all through the negotia-
tions was that he would line up" GER
tain Senators by working on their
fears to vote for Sulzer in the impeach-
ment trial rather than that he would
assist the state TO prosecute those Sem
ators.
According TO Hennessys description
of it Stilwell, however, was willing TO
assist in prosecuting those Senators If
they would not line up for Sulzer, al
though he expressed it somewhat am
biguouslv in this reply to Hennessy's s
request that he testify:
Would Stick to Friends.
II will not go back on any man that
is a friend Of mine: | will stay with
them and against the Governor until
He'll freezes over; won't do It. But
will go to them and say, Senator. here
IS the situation. | am placed in this
position. Now, If you will vote for the
Governor and save the situation, al
right. otherwise am going to come out
and tell. >"
Hennessy said that he rejected this
offer on behalf of the Governor. even
though Stilwell claimed that he could
certainly deliver those Senators to the
Governor and that he cited as proof
the fact that he had forced them tc
vote for him by working on their feal
Of exposure.
| At Murray Hill Lyceum. where Hen
messy delivered this mild Stilwell story
the crowd took it very quietly At the
Calvary NJ. E. Church meeting in Har-
> lem later in the evening, he omitted th'
Stilwen matter altogether. His first at
tempt had been to get Stlwell TO go be
fore District Attorney Whitman ano
tell his story Hennessy promised Still
well. he said. that If Whitman was sat
isfied the story was true and could b.
suported the Governor would pardon
Stillwell Immediately. Stilwelrs an
swer as Hennessy read IL last night
, was:
"Hennessy, ] trust you, but | don
trust whitman. | am afraid that II
went down there and gave this evil
dence that Whitman would return mi
10 Sing Sing while he was trying ou
, the case. and If ] ever come back Z
, this place would be murdered, and