New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-03-01

crnor lied or was mISlntcrmed Whch
he said he had ever presented charges
TO Colonel Scott against Warden Ben
ham. Of Auburn prison. and added that
the Governor could go To hell The
Investigators put Mcdowell on the
stand. and he admitted that he made
the statements "unofficially.
Will Be Frank UnofficIaly.
AS an official of the state" he ex-
planned. II have always been very care
full not to say anything derogatory of
the Governor As private citizen.
have expressed my opinion freely. ana
] shall continue 10 do II unofficially.
That | consider nobody's business but
my own"
Chairman Carlisle announced that the
committee was unanimously of the
opinion that ANY man who is in the
employ of the state and uses express
sions of that kind is not fiji TO serve
the State Of New York" The commits
sion sent the testimony TO Governor
SulZer. who transmitted II 10 Colonei
Scott through Cheste {. Platt. his sec
rotary. for such action as the super
intendent Of Prisons deems proper.
Colonel scott went TO Elmira this al
terroon. He said he would not reach
any decision before Monday. when ne
will return here. Mcdowell is forty
five years old and a lawyer. ne came
here from Elmira.
Predictions that the Governor event
vall- would force Colonel Scott to re-
tira r.vo i.earG TO-DAY. out friends OF
f'... e., !oiiri asserted that such an at
temut on irc part Of the Governor
micht result in legislative invesusa-
zion Of the charges which have oeeh
made against the Prison Department.
The Governor is wrought up over me
controversy with Scott end the ina"
scandal. he summoned his department
investigators this noon and read the
riot act TO them. Last evening The
prohers announced that # they couid
not obtain the testimony Of Lewis ana
Hoffman they would close The IhaW
matter. make report on that ana
then. after making final report on
their entire investiga ton. disband
This plan of quitting the ThaW mat
ter did not appeal 10 the Governor VINO
told Chairman John y. Carlisle and his
associates that they must get 10 the
bottom OF the affair. II told them 10 go
on probing" said he. no matter where
the trail led or whom they hit. and not
to stop until they had cleared up every
transaction"
Hoffman on the stand to-day said
that he had been Thaws agent for
some time. seeing the prisoner once a
week. cor maybe several times week.
and doing odd jobs for him. He told
of taking $1,000 To Anhut in an en-
vclope SI,ND in cash and the rest IN
Consolidated Gas stock certificates. but
said lie was acting merely As mes
sengcr. The certificates. h. said. were
indorsed in blank by Mrs. Carnegie.
sister If Thaw. Hoffman told also of
the return of part OF this sum. as An
hut had testified. because Thaw was
not released on January !.
Lewis. said Hoffman. was engaged in
giving publicity 10 some things which
Thaw thought people ought 10 know.
For this he knew Lewis received pay
ment He had given him three checks
for expenses" and for other matters
in cash. He declined 10 say how much
money he had paid 10 Lewis.
Separate Account for Thaw Cash.
Hoffman sa id he had bank account
for Thaw's money. on which n" drew
the checks TO Lewis. In this account
he deposited the proceeds from the sale
of the stock certificates returned LV
Anhut after January |. He said he did
not know anything about LcWis's on
neciiOn with Thaw or Clark other than
that which concerned publicity work.
He said he did not understand bow
Thaw got the $4,000 in cash and the
stock certificates which re gave him To
take TO Anhut. Thaw sometimes gave
MIN uIdllS. NHlNH, ~ Shpp'H'u' NHHi'
30 the slayer in his mail al the hos
pitaL
Clark was not in The employ OF
Thaw. so far as he knew. Hoffman tes-
tilted but then he told Of being asked
by Lewis for the 500 check for
"Clark's expenses Hoffman said he
understood LeWis was TO get his 'eX-
penses" from Thaw and he supposed
Clarks were to be considered as
Lewis's. The check made out TO Clark
was given TO Lewis.
CLARK never talked 10 me about get
ting Thaw out" he said. He never
mentioned Governor Suffers name 10
me" Hoffman added that he never
heard the Governors name mentioned
in the transactions, and knew nothing
about the Russell bride story until he
read Il IN the newspapers. He adj
United that he might have 'intimated"
to Clar,, something about the $1,000
retainer Of Annut. He was Indefinite
about this, saying
y know Clark made some inquiries
and I made some limitations. mink
/ might have int!mated some things
aurmsed bat did not know
lie did not intimate" to Dr. Russell
that inc had minated" these things TO
Clark. he went Oh. Or. Russell, so far
L he.