The Washington times., 1913-08-19
CROSS FIRE AIMED
At HE|DENHE|MER
House Lobby Committee Quiz
zes Pawnbroker About Fund
Fund Raised to Deefat Bill.
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lere is about 5000 you cannot account

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there is about 5000 you cannot account
for?'
Il left il all to Horning.
Asked why he had not told YESTERDAY
OF the reported employment OF SuIlNau
& SChultcis HeidenheimeT sard he had
not remembered il.
"A Man Named Hart"
He said he thought "a man named
Hart vas also hired, but he didn t
know what he received. if anything.
Mr. Heidenheimer said he had talked
last night to Mr.. Horning. but 'Horning
wasn't feeling we'll and he didn't press
accounted for amount.
Did you tell him you had testified
that there was about 5000 unaccounted
for?"
account for It. He said all right"
Under severe crOss-eNaminatton, MI.
Heidenheimer said he thought" Mr..
Schuletis got about $3.50 or $500.
The witness didn't remember" the
details of his conversation last night
with Horning.
He said they talked of things in
general with incidental reference to the
testimony. Mr.. Horning, he reiterated,
would have to furnish explanation of
the disposal of the S3734.S6 raised, as
he had handled the money collected.
The only contributors, he said, were
Horning. Heidenheimer. and Burnstein;
the two former standing so per cent
Of the expense and Mr.. Burnstein 20
per cent.
Burnstine Was Present.
Mr.. Heidenheimer said Mr.. Burnstine
was present when he talked to Mr..
Horning last night, but he denied that
the conversation concerned his further
testimony.
The witness said he saw Mr.. Horning
Few minutes early last night. and that
he and Burnstine went to Horning' s
house about l o'clock this morning.
What did you go to Mornings house
a; o'clock at night for?' asked Mr..
= just wanted to see him to talk over
matters"
Was he in bed?"
He got up?"
Where was the midnight conference
held?"
''In his library"
Who else was there?'
Mrs. Horning:"
why did Mr. Burnstine 60 along?'
continued Mr.. Russell
He lived up that way. He had been
with me at my Office
And you stayed how long talking
About half an hour"
Witness explained he spent the early
part of the evening going over his
check stubs and account books hunting
for information the committee wanted.
Heidenheimer also testified that he,
Horning, and Burnstine had talked this
morning with Henry E. Davis, the at
torney. Mr. Heidenheimer said he did
not stay long at this conference and
could not recall fully what had trans
pired
Asked about ''Mr. Schulteis," the wit
ness said Schulteis had come to his Of
fee and wanted to represent the pawn
brokers'
he said he knew a lot Of Congress
men and could go and tell them the
bill was too drastic
Did he say he could defeat the loan
shark bill?'
Not exactly"
He came to your store Voluntarily"
Yes"
Sent Him To Horning.
what did you do?"
"I sent him TO Mr.. Horning."
Why"
Because Horning was handling the
matter"
Asked how long he had known
schulteis. Mr. He!denheimer said he
thought Schulteis had represented the
pawn brokers in 1889, when the old loan
shark law was passed.
Schultees. he believed, was a law
yer"
Heidenheimer said he mentioned the
matter to Horning subsequently, and
the latter said "he must have left the
city" SChultees, he said, was not to
work on the bill regularly.
He said Schultees called on him some
time after the first visit and needed
some money.
SchuIteis told him he had talked TO
uUrlb Of COnRrPSSme0
rs this the Herman J. Schulteis,
counsel for the so-Called Antitrust
League" asked Mr.. Stafford.
81 think he is the same"
Were any Of the funds contributed
by the pawnbrokers contributed 10 the
campaign fund Of any political party
asked Nr. Willis.
I think Horning did make a con-
trbution. but l don't remember what
he gave"
When did ne say it?''
y think he said it last night"
ITO what party?"
'DemOCratic."
You think he made it out of the
loan-shark bill fund.-"
II am not sure.
What reason did he give for using
Il thought maybe he was friendly
with some Democrats"
What explanation was made
Didn't need any explanation"
No"
why didn't you ask an explanation"
- didn't think it necessary"
Told At the Conference.
Was anybody else present when he
said th!s?"
Il believe he said it last night at the
conference"
Did he say he gave it to any par
tICIlar One?'
"NuO."
How much was the contribution -
4 don't know. About $3.50. l should
think
Was that to go against this fund
you had cOlleCteI?'
Il think So.
AND YOU didn't go into detalls?"
No.
Did n say he gave any Of It 10 Con
F-essman McDermott?" persisted Chair
man Garrett.
NO
Heidenheiner said he thought Horn
inr told him about the campaign dona-
ton about election time last fall.
He went around collecting for the
campa gn." said MI Heidenheimer who
added that he thought he contributed
500
Was that in addition TO the loan
shark bill subscriptions"
Il don't know now"