Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1913-07-30
Carrying CHIPS
IN LOBBY PROBE
Stormy Times Seem to Be
Ahead of Senate
Investigators.
MULHALL NOT QUIZZED
BY N. A. M. ATTORNEYS
"You Keep Quiet" Overman Sharply
Says to Witness Who
Interrupts.

Although Martin NJ. Mulhall. the lob
byist' for the National Association Of
Manufacturers, expected today to face
the lawyers OF the association and defend
the story of his ten years of political ac-
tivity, members of the Overman COM
mittee changed their minds overnight
and started the witness out today to
identify more Of his letters. They ex-
pected. however, to begin Mulhalfs ex-
animation before adjournment.
Robert McCarter. attorney for the man
ufacturers, handed a long list OF ques-
tons to Chairman Overman, and the
committee decided to look them over in
executive session before submission to
the witness.
Discord Seems Certain.
It developed early in the day that the
sessions of the committee are not going
to be so harmonious when it gets to the
cross-examination of the witness There
were several exchanges between Senators
Reed and Cummins and Mr.. Reed once
dryly informed the chairman that he
would wait until Mr.. Overman and Sena-
tor Walsh concluded a side conversation
before he proceeded.
Senator Reed showed also that he car
ries chip on his shoulder for the benent
of the National Association OF Manu-
facturers lawyers. Once when Senator
Nelson asked Mulhall about a trip ne
made Senator Reeo jumped to the ue-
Tense of the witness and Senator Nelson
returned: "Oh, let 1t go and don't read
us q sermon
IF l were delivering a sermon l
wouldn't pick you out retorted Senator
Reed.
Mulhall Gets Excited.
Mulhall himself got excited about this
trip and insisted on answering a question
Of Senator Nelson.
You keep quiet" said Chairman Over
man, rapping on the table; when l tell
you to keep still you want to keep still. "
Mulhall's stiffness increased rapidly.
Senator Nelson interrupted Senator
Reed again when Mulhall began talk
ing about another of his trips. Senator
Reed was questioning him about it.
1T was before they discharged your"
suggested Senator Nelson.
L wasn't discharged" said Mulhal.
Nov, Mr.. Chairman, l was asking the
witness civil question, and L object to
being interrupted" said Senator Reed.
Chairman Overman raped for order.
Senator Reed proceeded
Affiliations Shown.
One of the first documents presented
to Mulhall for identification purported
to be a list of organizations which he
said were members of the National
Council for Industrial Defense and
affiliated with the National Association
of Manufacturers. Senator Cummins
objected to involving large number
of organizations unless MuInaii was
able to prove their membership In the
council. Mulhall swore that he was
furnished q list by officers of the coun-
Gil, and said that they were members OF
the National Association of Manu-
facturers. He sWore that he knew this
because officials had told him so.
He swore that he had personal re-
lations with officials OF about dozen
of the organizations named on the Two
page typewriter list he had sub
mitted.
Letters of Officials.
Senator Reed began to read extracts
from letters of officials Of the associa-
ton turned over to him by ]. p. Bird.
it's general manager.
Birds correspondence in the fall of
1911 showed that Bird was angry at
the lobbyists trip to Maine, where ne
did political work. Bird said Mulhall
was not authorized to go into that
fight which involved the HQuor queS-
ton.
Mulhall swore he did go there with
the consent of National Association OF
Manufacturers officials and said that
he had written letters to BRO teIling
him of this trip. Senator Cummlns
asked him to point out such letters ana
after a search the witness said they
must be in his files as he couldn't ma
them in those turned over to the com
mittee. His resignation followed the
Maine trip.
Testimony Is Sought.
Senators Cummins and Nelson sus.
eested after several of Birds letters to
James A. Emery and other officials OF
the National Association Of Manufac-
turers had been read that Mulhalr s
testimony on letters between two other
persons was hardly competent. Senator
Nelson added that since Mulhall had
been the only witness to testify about
his correspondence his letters of Nation
al Association of Manufacturers officials
should be introduced when some re-
on the stand and not Mulhall.
You don't expect to prove that Kirby
was lying to Emery-if l may use the
term-by Mulhall, do your" asked Sena-
tor CummtnS or senator Reed.
.'It depends on the statement" answer
ed the Missouri senator.
at observe that every suggestion
make" said the Iowa senator. lis mis-
understood, and l withdraw my sugges-
ton. I offered the suggestion to the
senator from Missouri who Is conduct
ing this examination feeling that 1t was
well founded, but do not intend to
interrupt the course he has laid for him.
SELF
Senator Walsh supported Senator Reed
and Chairman Overman agreed that the
National Association of Manufacturers
letters might be read when Mulhall was
on the stand.
Letters Nearly Finished.
Martin NJ Mulhall practically finished
yesterday, his Identification OF letters he
wrote and received In the ten years he
claims to have been the lobbyist for the
National Association OF Manufacturers
Mulhall swore that he had tried to get
former Chairman Wilson of the labor
committee interested In the story he is
now telling, and that Speaker Clark and
Minority Leader Mann of the House had
turned down an opportunity to conduct
Speaker and Mr.. Mann, he said. had been
approached on this subject by Repre-
sentative James T. McDermott of Illinois
Neither Mr.. McDermott nor anybody
else ever showed me the Mulhall let
ters and papers," said Speaker Clark,
in statement issued last night
Neither Mr.. McDermott nor anybody
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