The Washington herald., 1913-08-20

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came out Of Mornings personal pocket
After Horning had given what ne
could remember of his version of the
New York conference In John McDer-
motifs ofice. Representative Garrett
asked him II Representative McDermot'
had ever been customer OF his.
II never considered him So" replied
the lender.
did he ever borrow money from you
on collateral securityg'
mo: our relations were not exactly
business relations. l never charged him
interest, IL that is what you want to
know"
Ibid you ever loan him money!
"Yes, SIR"
"On what security?
None"
"On his word?"
"Yes, sir
When did you first lend him money!
shortly after our acquaintance began,
seven or eight years ago"
How Acquaintance Began.
Horning then explained how he had
come to know McDermott. He said Mrs.
Horning had four cousins who were con-
stituents of McDermott and that she had
written to them asking them to call on
Representative and Mrs. McDermott.
The families became friends and Horn
ing always was willing to accommodate
McDermott with short loans.
"Did you send McDermott money from
here to Chicago at any time?" continued
Representative Garrett.
Horning answered that he had eN-
pressed money to McDermott in Chicago
on at least two occasions. and he re-
membered the incident mentioned by M
Michael when the latter told of a tele-
gram from Horning notifying McDermott
in Chicago of the shipment of SEQ by ex
press. He said this was a loan and was
repaid.
Have all loans to McDermott been
repaid" asked Garrett.
With this question Horning for the first
time seemed to be Ill at at ease. His
face flushed and his voice sank to a
whisper as he replied in the negative.
He owes YOU something now" sug-
sested Garrett
Yes"
how much does he owe you'"
"One thousand dollars"
WAS that amount borrowed at one
time
NO, sir.'s
Have you his notes for it?''
NO"
Gave No Security.
ANY security or writing Of any kind?'
No. sir
How far back do these loans date"
THE last one was between eighteen
months and two years ago.
WAS there any understanding or
agreement as to when the loans should
be repaid?'
mo. sir
Was there an understanding tha.
they should not be paid:'
NO, sir
Horning said he felt that the pawn
brokers had not received fair treatment
from the two District committees, which
had offered them almost no opportunity
to present their case and whose members
seemed TO have preiudged the question
before the pawnbrokers mad even briefly
presented their side He knew that some
where. either by appointment or by ac-
cident, he met Representative McDer-
mott and McMichael in New York and
was induced to register at the Navarro
instead of the Victoria. Later, he could
not say just how. they all found them
selves in the Office of John d. McDer-
mott discussing the loan shark situation
He couldn't say whether Representative
McDermott and McMichael had come
down with him or had happened in-He
placed the time of the interview as some
time in 1911. He said he had gone to
see John McDermott in hopes that the
latter might be able to send some one
down TO Washington to induce the Dis
trict committees to give the pawnbrok-
ers a fair hearing. He told of having
called on a Tammany Hall politician in
the City Hall and having asked that the
latter write the Tammany members in
the New York delegation.
Tells of New York Meeting.
Telling of the conference, he said he
did not believe Representative McDer-
mott had talked much.
Did any one try to get in touch with
outside parties over the phone while YOU
were there?" asked Mr.. Garrett
II can't remember that Representative
did any teiephoning." he re-
Piled
Can YOU remember whether Repre-
McDermott tried to reach Rep
Rothermel of Pennsylvania
over the phone?''
Not to my knowledge"
prior to the "Trip to New York had
you discussed the loan shark bill with
McDermott?'
II suppose So"
Horning testified that he had been in
troduced to John McDermott by Repre-
McQermott. but was sure 1t
was some time before the conference" /
In New York-which. by the way. he
protested was no conference at ALL
Did you and Representative McDer-
mott discuss the trip TO New York be-
fore You went?" asked Garrett.
Not to my knowledge"
Regarding the 500 contribution to the
campaign fund. Horning de-
clared that he was right in making II
from moneys raised to defeat the loan
shark bill. but he was a bit hazy on the
reasons why this was proper. He showed
4 receipt for $se5 paid John Costello. |
Democratic national committeeman OF
he District. The s235 above $500 he had
raised outside. 500 from Elias Heiden- |
leimer. He said that he had not told |
3urnstine Of this contribution, but that |
he had told Heidenheimer after 1t had |
been made.
Heidenheimer. who was on the stand |
n the morning and part of the afternoon. |
'aid that he had known of the contribu- |
ion.
Il did not think II was an improper /
,ct." ne said. but thought 1t might |
yive our people entree to some Of the |
Democratic leaders"
Presidential Succession Act.
y answer to an inquiry. it is stated |