Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1913-06-03


ut ia well known certain interests have
agents here and suppose they are paio
salaries" said the senator.
They evidently get information Tor
their organizations. arrange Tor meanings
and possibly stimulate the correspond
ence OF the senator's. Their work Is per-
fectly legitimate. have seen MI Bur
CESS for the pottery interests here Tor
years. and Mr.. Brown for the cotton peo-
ple at both ends of the Capitol
Thinks Work Legitimate.
The senator was asked if the wool peo-
pie kept a man in Washington. Senator
Penrose replied he knew of none unless 1t
was Winthrop l.. Marvin of Boston.
1.-The work of these men is perfectly le-
ultimate. as far as / know he said.
He expressed an opinion that fewer
persons were in Washington now in re-
gard to the tariff than hitherto.
"My own opinion Is that the lobbyist
is principally thing of the past" said
Senator Penrose. Congressional COM
mittees pay little attention to them now.
Practice Thing of Past.
The steel industry and coal interests
OF Pennsylvania have had no permanent
representatives in Washington for many
years. Senator Penrosc said. He declared
the custom of keeping representatives in
Washington had died out ten or twelve
Years ago
In response to Senator Walsh Senator
Penrose estimated that not more than
70 per cent as many persons had come
10 Washington on tariff business this
year compared with four years ago.
You don't look upon the men who
came 10 tell of their own business as lob
byistS?" suggested Senator Cummins.
II don't regard a manufactures repre-
senting his own industry, In which he
has invested his money, rs a lobbyist,
provided his methods are legitimate and
open TO the public replied PenroSe.
Favor Tariff Commission.
senator Cummins believed per-
manent tariff commission could secure
the best results, and Senator Penrose
agreed with him. \ debate across the
committee table resulted in a partial
agreement that the party in power
practically would control the nature of
any tariff boards report.
Senator Gronna of North Dakota said
he interested in banks. was
president of one bank, and might be
considered to some extent Interested
IN the income tax.
we are also interested in farming,
but we are trying to get out of 1T as
rapidly as possible, because we have
found it is not paying industry"
He said he owned more than 5000
acres OF land, and raised wheat, flax,
rye and other grains, but had not tried
to influence Legislation except In his
speech and action against Canadian
reciprocity.
Senator Gronna knew of no lobbying
and had never been approached i'm
properly regarding any legislation. Il
do not believe there is any such thing
as corrupt action going on at either
end of the Capitol declared Gronna
Many Saw Senator Burton.
The investigation was continued yester-
day afternoon and last night Senator
Burton of Ohio read long list Of men
who had been to see him to discuss the
tariff He declared that there were fewer
legislative agents or representatives OF
various interests in Washington than dur
ing previous tariff sessions.
Senator Burton read statement in
which he said:
ship in the House and Senate. no outsider.
either from Washington or elsewhere,
has ever made any proposition or sugges-
tion to me which smacked in the least de-
gree of corruption.
Senator Clarke of Arkansas said he had
no legal connection with any interests be-
fore Congress; that he had not sought to
influence any one to vote for anything.
contact with any lobbying at the Capt.
toll.
Senator Catron said he had not tried
10 influence any one on tariff matters
and had had no improper influences
brought to bear on him.
Senator Catron testified that should he
vote for free coal. he would be voting
from. $4,000 to $4,000 out of his own
pocket and suffer losses on his lead.
Senator Clapp testified he had never
tried to influence any other senator, ex-
cept when the Canadian reciprocity bill
was up in 1911, he opposed a reduction
against il. Senator Clapp said he did
not represent any one interested in tariff
matters.
Senator Clark of wyoming said he was
home
Il have never tried to influence any
SENATOR he said, but If / thought my
influence was of any weight / would use
IL toward saving a duty on coal. l have
always believed in a duty on coal, even
before / became interested in a small
way personally. j think that is per-
fectly proper The senator declared
that he knew of no organized lobby.
Wool Men Visit Chamberlain.
Senator Chamberlain of oregon said
that those interested in the wool sched-
ule particularly had visited him. He
recalled in this connection the names of
F. r. Kipp a mohair manufacturer, and
a Mr.. Mccarthy. probably of Texas"
who wanted protection for angora goats.
Senator Brady of Idaho told Of being
interested in farming, but declared he
Was not interested otherwise. financially
or as an attorney, in any matters that
might be affected by the tariff bill
Senator Jackson of Maryland testified
that he was a director and secretary and
treasurer of a lumber company. owning
one-third Of the company's SJo00OO stock:
president of a shirt factory, and very
small minority stakeholder OF the steel
trust. He said he had used no influence
in connection with tariff rates
Questioned hy Senator Cummins, the
senator said he thought the Underwood
bill Hcaid inju.e the lumber business.
Senator Chiffon told the committee he
was interested in some small coal lands
Ia West Virginia. and oil and gas lands
m Ohio. Re declared he had never tried
10 influence any senator except 20 ASK
them TO be good democrats and abide by
The party caucus" He said he knew of
no organized lobby.
Senator Crawford Of south Dakota tes-
tilted that he had no interest in anything
hat would be affected by the tariff and
I.new nothing of lobby
Dakota Farmers Go Abroad
senator Gronua gave the names Of
John Crosby and Charles G. Bovey of
Minneapolis, representing Minneapolis
Sour milling companies. who present
eo arguments 10 him in support Of "a
"a ltp he, 1.l, Ia.