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the bride ?"
Q. Doesn't your statement so
read?"
A. mo sir"
Q. Didn't you say they are fools
If II, they h sy are not getting something out
A. Eyes sir; that is following the
statement that they are continuing
the condition for which brides have
been offered, and IL they continue
that is cause for suspicion"
Didn't Say 1t.
| O. THAT is you mean TO indicate
| by that language that they were fools
if they didn't accept bribes?"
A mo sir"
Q. Didn't you say so?"
A. "No sir"
@. Your language is: AS long
as the city officials Go not enforce the
! laws they lay themselves liable TO
! criticism and they are fools If they
| are not geeting something out of it?' "
A. That Is a sentence from my
| sermon. not a connected sentence"
O. Did you make that state
ment?"
A. MADE IL in connection with
other statements"
Q. And you gave 1t to the re-
porter"
A. The connection isl think
probably 1 said they are fools in this
sense: They are under that kind Of
suspicion since the same conditions
exist and they say they don't get any
thing out OF It."
Q. What is your opinion of what
is proper?"
A. That is my Judgment of the
city officials"
Q. THAT they are fools If they do
not take a bribe?"
He Was Misquoted.
A. NO sir; you are deliberately
misquoting me-"
.. II quoted your exact language
which you delivered in the pulpit and
10 the reporter. I ask you now If you
| meant what you said?"
A. 1T is not my full language"
@. 1T is not a complete sem
tence ?"
A. Very well. but you know a
sentence is not your full language"
q. Then you -'
A g. 1 said IL in connection
with other statements; 1 didn't say
, Q. Then you want to be under
stood as saying it?'
A. In connection with what
said before"
/
A. when you put certain prem
/ Uses together ii causes a conclusion:
the conclusion fails when you change
either premise"
@. Did you, at any time or occa-
sion. tell your congregation or the re-
porter anything which in any sense
qualified and wiped out the statement
which 1 have just read to you: AS
/, long as the city officials do not en-
| them
liable to criticism and they are fools
If they are not getting something out
| of it?'"
II Was Qualified.
A. Il qualified ii TO the extent
! that the whole thing hinged on this
| sentence; brides had been offered be-
fore this to allow the condition Of the
saloons to exist that exists now. and
| since such a condition now exists
have a right to suspicion that they
were taking it. and L will stand by
| my statement"
Q. And you think they are fools
for not taking it?"
A. mo sir
Q. you don't believe it?"
A. mo sir"
Q. Yet you said that?"
A. mo sir"
@. Did this Mr.. Jarrett say he
took the $2OO?"
A mo sir If you want Mr.. Jar
rett's testimony you can call him into
the session; 1 can furnish evidence il
1 am permitted to do So"
Q. You say that you are willing
TO state TO this committee the mis-
conduct of the officials If you are
permitted to do so ?"
Gan Furnish Evidence.
A. Il said 1 can furnish the evil
dence."
Q. 'Tt is the purpose Of this com
mittee to permit you or anybody else
TO make any statement that you want
TO make"
A II said I can furnish the evil
dence."
Q. What official misconduct dc
you have in mind?"
A. THE official conduct OF the
chief Of police when I called his at
| tention to the open violation Of the
liquor laws on Sunday and when
brought the evidence to him that they
were open and agreed to go with him
or any patrolman that he would SEND
with me. and he positively refused tc
do so, and can give you the date and
the hour II you want IT."
.. GIVE us the date"
A. That was on Sunday morning
July 6, S o'clock in the morning. and
can tell you who was there if yoJ
want to verify the statement,-Kirk
wood and Turbush. both members Of
the police force-Mr. Kirkwood wa:
not present during the entire inter
view. but Turbush was"
@. Isn't this the way that hap
pened: Didn't you go down there
and want him TO go with you right a
that time and make the arrest, anC
didn't he say TO you. I am not COINS
right down there with you?' Ism
that the way that happened? ?"
Said Saloons Were Open
n A. IT told him the saloons wer'
Eopen -"
@. 1T will ask you how it hap
Epened7"
A. 81 am tell you the way It hap
Epened. I went down and said TO him
u The saloons are OPEN and he said
Are they| I said they were; that
had the evidence for II. Z have beel
u all over the west end. They are open
and IN Smoky Row they are open
land will go with you and show yol
twhere this is being tOne.' OF cours
wanted him 10 make an arrest then
And he said he would not do IT,"
.. He said substantially he wa