Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1913-01-25

ceived the sum Of 5000 for the use Of
my name"
II told the rules committee that had
heard Of come such thing
Representative Reufield told in detail
that the statement had been made In a
hazy manner before the rules committee.
Judge Could asked who had told MIN.
Representative Redfield said he did not
recall any definite person.
"Then you made the assertion without
any definite grounds.
mot at ALL" replied Mr.. Redfeld. who
went on to say that he had not mention
ed specifically any sum.
Judge Gould turned on him;
mo matter what You said, 1t Is too
distasteful to me to have my name con-
nected with anything having been sold.
sold your name
well. the Interpretation has been put
there, and 1 am anxious to find the re-
sponsible party"
a query that Col Judson had not said it.
Heard From Various Sources.
Under questions by Attorney Douglas,
Justice Gould said the statement as to
his name and So. 600 had been brought
him from various sources, and that 1t
had been made in the Speakers office,
with members of the District committee
present.
Judge Gould got into a dissertation on
Col. Judson, following the style OF. other
witnesses, and what he said about MIN
was on the same line as testimony about
the colonel from other witnesses on the
part Of the insurance company.
You know the futility Of arguing with
Judson'' and ''viciously untrue were
statements made by Judge Gould.
Col. Judson said that had told him
that Charles Carusi is not the stripe
7 20 70 There
is absolutely no foundation Of fact in
such a statement I told him P had
known Mr.. Carusi's father well, but
had had no business relations with the
present Carusi. And from that he made
that other statement
II told Col. Judson 1t would be better
to investigate the companies quietly. and
offered to cooperate with him., because
I had put my reputation into the edua-
ton. and no one is more anxious to nnd
out there is any wrong in them than /.
But told him, too. that these companies
could be ruined IL they were damned in
advance. and that they are as sensitive
as woman, and their regulations should
be dealt with just as carefully"
Robert n. Harper, president Of the Dis
trict National Bank, followed Judge
Gould as witness He said he had been
chairman OF the finance committee Of the
Commercial Company for six years.
Judson's Remarks Uncomplimentary.
High tide in the flood Of personalities
which have swept over the hearings of
the insurance investigation was reached
yesterday afternoon when HOpewell III.
Darneille, formerly assessor Of the Dis
trict Of Columbia, in answer to Ques-
ton from Mr.. Easby-Smith. attorney for
George Ingham, superintendent Of insur-
ance, told the committee that Commits
sioner Judson had made remarks to him
entirely uncompimentary to members OF
the District committee and to Representa-
tive Burleson, chairman of the subcom-
mittee In charge Of District appropria-
lions. Representatives Cary of Wiscon-
sin, Lobeck OF Nebraska and Chairman
johnson were included in Mr.. Darneille's
remarks. The thing dropped like an ex-
plosive shell into the testimony. Mr.:
Easby-Smith started an explanation. and
Judge PrOuty asked him what 1t had to
do with the remark made about Chair
man johnson.
THE case against my client rests upon
what statements have been made before
this committee" said Mr.. Easby-Smith.
land outside of this committee, upon eff
forts made by Col. JudsOn to remove my
client from Office. I think this testimony
Is relevant in order that this committee
may properly judge the character of the
man who makes insinuations and charges
before this committee"
Maybe these things are all true" re-
marked Judge Prouty. will We have to
try them out?"
III Col. Judson has been making state
ments of that character. about men OF
high repute in public life. then 1t Is
matter the committee should consider in
coming to a conclusion as to what weight
to give to Col. Judson's charges and in
That is a new rule for impeaching wit
nesses."
Objects to Side Remarks.
Judge Prouty said that the side remarks
Of some witnesses had no place in a hear
ing even before a Justice Of the peace.
Judge Prouty continued. saying that If
Col. Judson and Mr.. Darneille have diff
ferences they might settle them some
where on Pennsylvania avenue.
Mr.. Easby-Smith insisted that he want
ed to show the character OF the prose
cutting witness" Representative Red
field interposed by saying that II the
thing went any farther he should feel
Of the House.
IF your object is to impugn charac-
ter, then there are two ways and two
edges to that sword"
CLIENT" said Mr.. Easily Smith. II bare
his breast to the committee to look into
his record from his birth to the present
time. I know the ISLANDERS that have
O6eu IOdQ6 against ulI1 anu OTOOSuC W
this committee. Bring them and 1 Will
meet Them
Judge Prouty moved to expunge from
the record all reference to the state
ments concerning members Of the COM
mittee and before it could be acted upon
Johnson had something to
say.
Representative Johnson's reply. after
ward made a part of the expunged pOr
ton of the record. was delivered in a
tone. but the words clear
ly indicated that he had been harboring
and resenting for long time many of
Col. Judson's remarks to him. He said
that he hoped the record would not be
changed and that the testimony would
be allowed to stand. He gave details
of conversations with Col. Judson in
which several citizens of Washington
were mentioned The testimony was not
expunged from the record until the COM
mittee adjourned for the day.
MRS THAW WORKS FOR SON.