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New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-07
For personal Campaign"

Stanchfeld endeavored then TO lead the
witness to say with more emphasis that
the money was a campaign contribution.
Herrick strenuously objected. until finally
President cullen took a hand in the con-
troversy
Did he say anything further what he
wanted than you have told?" he asked
the witness, referring to SulZer.
For his personal campaign" McGlone
answered.
Stanchfleld thought so we'll OF the ques.
ton and answer that he repeated the
first 10 get a repetition of the latter from,
the witness. and with that climax abrupt
ly turned him over for cross examina
ton.
mo question" Herrick announced
quickly and then Stanchield pressed
| home his advantage by n repetition OF
practically the same question. which re-
called one more sideight on the situation
TO the mind Of the witness.
WAS there anything further said by
him 10 you at that time with reference
10 his needing more money for his per-
sonal campaign" the lawyer for tine man
ayers asked.
Nothing except that he had no money
for his personal campaign. and he wanted
this money for his personal campaign
oh, he did say this-that he was going
up 10 Westchester and adjoining coun-
ties to make a campaign. and wanted
money for it," McGlone said. The de-
fence again declined to cross-examine.
Edward i. Meany. a lawyer whose
business address is No. IS Liberty street.
New York City. but who resides at Con-
vent ~ j.. was the next and last witness
called by the managers. He testified that
he had known William Suzer for twenty
years. He described how he loaned Sulzer
$4,000.
within a week or ten days after his
nomination" Mr.. Meany said, in response
to the questions OF Stanchfield, "Mr. Sui
ger called upon me at my office. No. So
Liberty street. New York. lie informed
me that he needed financial assistance
and asked me IL | would loan him some
money. told. him that would. and I
asked him what amount he required
Lends Sulzer $4,000.
"He said. Let me have what you can
afford to let me have and | said. Il will
loan you $4,000: II you will call to-mor-
row or next day | will give II TO you"
a day or two afterward, Meany said
Sulzer called again at his office and he
gave him the $1,000 In cash.
by that do you mean in bills?" asked
Judge Cullen.
Bills; yes, sir: currency" Meany re-
piled.
Stanchiield conducting the examination,
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-07
GARRISON MUST
REMAIN IN JAIL
Assembly Refuses to Release
Sulzer Press Agent Locked
Up for Contempt.

Tr,or, a Stafr CORRESPONDENT OF The Tribune
Albany. oct. 6-James {. Garrison tne
Sulzer press agent, committed 10 the AZ
bany. County penitentiary for contempt -
the Assembly, having failed 10 SEND ah'
note of apology to that body, VIII nave "
remain in Jail. Assemblyman Schaa"
Progressive. introduced tonight resoi'
ton asking for Garrison's release wv
commitment having stated that ne sho''.
stay in Jail until the final Adjournment -
the Legislature or until the Assembly, IT,
scinded its action.
Garrison charged that several memoe''
Of the lower house had been paid 10 'o''
for the impeachment of Governor suI%e"
and the Assembly demanded that ne en-
plain the charge before the Judlc's''
Committee He refused Ia answer que'
tons put to him and was arrested anu -
a session of the Assembly three "ee"'
ago he was asked II what he had saiu "'1
true or not. He again refused 10 ahS"'.
and was sent TO the penitenuary tn"'
night. Since then the Supreme court las
held that his commitment was valid
Mr.. Schaap declared that Garrison
conduct WAS lnsullilS ~ tht ''N \
deserved punishment. but that lie n"D
been punished sufficiently. There We
only six members present and ON nlo'.o"
OF the majority leader. Mr.. Levy wv
resolution was laid on the table.
"fle must remain In jail sald M
Levy. until he has purged himseh v
this contempt. and | have yet to ma ''''
he has made any effort to do so.
IL personally have no desire To he'Y
Garrison IN Jail any longer | say u'%'
not so much for myself who VIII pV'
ably never serve in the Legislature an
this year but for those who VIII re'u'".
Vituperation. loosely and indiscriin'ha'''.
spread about the state, should not oc
lowed to go unpublished, II for 10 o'"
reason than to act as a deterrent 10 -
scrupulous men In the future "ho"
does the proper thing ] shall be asree"
10 his release"
Mr. Human, the minority leader W.
the same attitude.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-07
Had TO See Ryan First.

"I told him could not give II 10 Nun
without consulting with somebody else
lie said he was going out on campaign
tour I said would see him "heh NC
came back. but in the mean time spohc
70 somebody else about IT, and we asreeu
IN give him a certain sum or money
which gave him. That Is all kho"
about H."
stanch6eld questioned the witness then
as TO the amount mentioned by suffer J"
that first conversation. and. over Her
ricks objection. McGlone was allowed &c
answer.
He said that he wanted $500 or as
much more an he could get
McGlone went on then to say that Inv
man he had 10 see and confer with aoou'
tbe contribution was Allan Ryan; that no
conferred with Ryan. and then went bach
20 tho office OF the candidate the follow
Ing day.
What was your talk with him upor
this second OCCASION" he was asked.
.Simply went in 10 see him and handed
him some money
How much?'
Ten thousand dollars.
"ln what denomination
"Ten 81. 900 bills"
Tell us the conversation
There was no conversation 10 speak
of. / simply went in TO see him. II was
about o'clock I'm the afternoon. I think
| handed him the money. He counted II
and put It in his pocket and thanked me
and said IL he was elected Governor and
for any reason | should ever happen 10
be in Albany he would be glad to see me
and asked me TO remember him to Allan
RYAN. That was the end of the converse
ton and ! went out"
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-07

swear that lie knew his voice over the
telephone when Sulzer first called him up
shortly after the nomination. In and
around Mr.. Herrick's continued objec-
lions Stanchfeld fought to get that tele-
phone conversation into the record. but
without success. because OF Ryan's de-
liberate carefulness about admitting that
he knew the candidates voice.
The objections and delays interjected
by Herrick served notice on court and
spectators that the defence apparently
knew something OF the import of Ryan's
prospective evidence, and the result was
that the occupants of the crowded gal
leries, as well as the members OF the
court. were alert TO catch very word
from the witness when ii finally reached
point where his testimony was admis-
sible.
This goal II the prosecution was reached
by Stanchfieli after he had abandoned
temporarily the first telephone converse
ton and proceeded with the examination
along the lines OF subsequent communica-
lions or meetings. Ryan said that he
talked with Suizer face to face on De-
cember II or II. 1912, but that CONVERSE
ton was purely personal. His next meet
ing with Sulzer was on Wednesday or
Thursday I'm the week just preceding the
date OF the opening OF the impeachment
trial, on September IS.
That meeting between the young finan-
cier and the Governor took place in Sui
zer's office at No. ll5 broadway. The
time was placed by the witness coincident
with the date when Sulzer made his last
and secret trip TO New York. On that
occasion Sulzer came into New York
quietly on the night boat from Albany.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-07
"pm the Same Old Bill"

with that point established the lawyer
took the witness back TO the October teie-
phone conversation. which had been eN-
cluded before because Ryan could not
swear that al that time he knew Sulzer
voice over the telephone. An exhaustive
examination as TO that telephone CONVEX
sation did not produce any reference to a
campaign contribution. Ryan insisted
that without any reference to money or
contributions he had cut short the con-
versation with the dictum that SulZer
would have TO see Ignatius V. McGlone,
private secretary to Thomas Fortune
Ryan for the last twelve years. But one
Of Ryan's answers produced ripple of
laughter even I'm the ranks Of the mem
bers Of the dignifed Court Of Impeach-
ment That was when Ryan was asked
TO give the words Of the conversation
over the telephone as exactly as he could
recall them.
"Tle said I'm these words, Ryan an
swered. very slowly and carefully. Tel
your father I'm the same old Bill.
So far as the rest of that conversation
was concerned Ryan insisted that 1t con-
sisted solely Of Suffers expressed wish
TO see him. Ryan. and his response tha'
he would have 10 see Mr.. McGlonc, NC
Clone was then called, while Ryan was
temporarily excused from tho stand aho
McGlones story disclosed that whatever
the telephone conversation over which SO
many objections had been raised was, tn
result OF II was $1,000 contribution IRON
the Ryan office 10 Suffers personal cam
psign."
At the end OF McGIone's story Ryan
was recalled 10 the stand and was asked
Immediately as to the substance OF th'
conversation he had with Governor Sulzei
al No. rs Broadway "A week before th'
imnoachmnnt trial began.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-07

put In day partly at his office in lowe
broadway and partly in a suite al '"e
Hotel Imperial, while his military secre-
tary, Major Schermerhorn. was much in
evidence around the Waldorf, and the"
returned 10 Albany by the o'clock tram
from the Grand Central Station.
When Stanchfeld reached the point
where he called for the conversation ne
tween Ryan and Sulzer about week De-
fore the opening of the Impeachment
trial Herrck renewed his obJecuohS
The Governors counsel was temporarily
oyerruled by Judge Cullen, who decided
that the court should hear the evidence
before excluding II. Stanchheld then
brought out that Ryan went TO Sulzer $
office that day because of a telephone call
from Suzer.
Was the voice that made tho appoint
ment with you the same voice that maze
the original appointment with you In the
middle Of. october before?" Stanchiield
asked.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-07

ing his duty? Was the respondent I'M
peached because. as they say, OF ma
and corrupt conduct in Office, or because
OF honest conduct in office? Was he i'm
peached. as they say. for stealing the
moneys which his friends gave him. or
was IL because he was preventing grafters
from stealing the moneys OF the taNpaF-
ers? Was he impeached because. as they
say. he made false oath. or was II be
cause he refused to violate his official
oath Of Office?
These are some Of the questions which
the public are expecting this court 20
answer and which this court, under the
questions TO be voted upon. will have 10
answer. Upon their answer. we believe.
depend quite largely the future welfare
and interests Of the state.
"In all that we have done and in all
that we shall do in this case We have en-
deaved and will endeavor to assist the
court 10 the best of our ability In arriv-
ing at just and right conclusion OF this
matter
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-07
HETCH-HETCHY BILL OPPOSED
Senator Works Finds Much Antas'
oniSm to the Measure.

Word has been received in this city tha.
United States Senator J. ID. WORKS -
California, has sent telegram to Was"
ington in which he states that the iie"'
Hetchy bill now pandins In ConsfSfs
ought not TO be passed without iur'"''
consideration.
Senator Works. who is now IN o''
fornia. declares in his telegram that ne"
~ all the users of water in the san ''"
Quin Valley are opposed to the b!IL
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-07
Asked Him TO See Root.

"GIo asked me to go TO Washington TO
see Senator Root for him." Ryan began
when Herricks objection on the ground
of incompetence was sustained by Judge
cullen.
Did YOU have any talk with him at
that time in substance with reference 10
his approaching trial?" Stanchield asked
then.
Yes" replied Ryan.
When the lawyer endeayored to get at
the subject OF that talk by this means
Ucrrick again objected. and insisted that
the lawyer for the managers should
specify as TO what Impeachment article
the prospective evidence would be ad-
dressed. Again Judge Cullen sustained
the objection. but he mentioned that ne
might change the ruling, and Stanchneld
explained at length that the inquiry was
addressed 10 the proposition that Governor
Sulzer had attempted TO influence MN dS
a possible witness. on that ground Judge
Cullen admitted the evidence.
"Ite told me II I was subpPnaed before
the committee not 20 pay any attention
90 the subpoena. because they had no
right 10 hold this trial" said Ryan.
As IL developed that Ryan had I'm MIND
then the Frawley committee Judge Gull
len granted the motion Of Herrlck 10
have the answer stricken out ana
StanchRcd asked the witness what fur-
Their had been said about the trial
ole said that he wanted the trial 10 ne
declared Illegal" Ryan replied: "thst
they had no right 10 hold the trial that
an extraordinary session had no right to
,mpcach him: and he asked me TO go 10
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and Louis A. sarecky had lodged process

and Louis A. Sarecky had lodged process
servers.
Although there is an entire lack OF
evidence In support OF any one Of thes'
five articles of impeachment he said
rand although there is not in the case
anything from which even an inference
can be drawn i'm support Of the aiiess
tons therein contained. it is equally true
that this case from the beginning up 10
the present time has been filled with IN
situations and innuendoes which were
not only unjustifed and misleading ou'
which OF necessity tended 10 befog the
case and to divert the attention not only
OF the court but OF the public as we"
from the real issues involved.
The attorney then took mp Articles l.
? and 6. on which ne indicated counsel
for the Governor would make the"
strongest fight. The charges brought IN
the articles and Humans answers fol-
low:
Article THAT the Governor made a
false statement regarding his campaign
expenses and thereby concealed certain
contributions
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-07

the Meany testimony proceeded then as
follows:
O.-Bns OF what denomination? A.
Either $500 or $1,000 bills.
Odd you take any note from him?
Al did not
Odd YOU take any written acknowl-
edgment OF any sort or description? A.
did rot.
Q-To the effect that it was a loan!
Al cid not.
Ole was then a candidate for Gov
ernor Ale was.
Q.-And this was right in the midst of
his Campaign for that office? Alt was
at the beginning of mis- campaign for that
Office.
Q.-Do YOU keep books OF account? A.
j do
Odd YOU enter M this Item In any
of your books? Al did not
ON other words, you made no entry
Of this loan in any book that you kept?
Al did not.
Q.-You took no written acknowledg-
ment of any sort OF description In rct-
erence 10 IL? Al did not
Odd you take at the time anything
I'm the way OF collateral? Al did not.
O.-Haye you had any correspondents
with Governor Sulzer since? Ayes, sir.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-07

be allowed to stand Five Republican
Senators-Godfrey. Ormrod, Thomas,
Walters and Whitney--voted to sustain
the Presidents ruling, and the Democratic
Senators split up without regard TO any
party lines. Duhamel and Wende, tho
two Senators credited with being friendly
10 SulZer voted to sustain. Judge Cullen
and exclude the evidence, but 80 also did
Senator Wagner and Senator Foley, two
who are identified most prominently with
1ammany.
The vote ended Ryan's session on the
stand, and the prosecution turned 10 its
next witness. II was recalled in connec-
ton with this incident that Barnes, the
man to whom SulZer attempted to turn
for support in his fight, is the same ~hom
the Governor issued an edlct against last
winter, when he said that Barnes should
not be allowed to set foot inside the
Capitol while he (Sulzor) was Governor.
Point Made by McGlone.
McGlone was the witness by whom MI
Stanchfeld connected the $4,000 campaign
contribution with Suffers prediction &C
,ivIties. McGlone's description and clear
recollection OF the accompanying circum-
s,ances caused the large contributor
heretofore unlisted in any way, TO STAND
out in relief.
Allan Ryans story had proceeded as
far as a reference 10 the conversation ne
had with Sulzer, in which he had IN
formed the candidate that he would nave
10 see McGIone, when the prosecution
asked TO have Ryan excused from inc
stand for a short time so that Mc"lohe
direct testimony on the point couId ne
put into the record.
StanchfIeld established first that NC
Clone. in his capacity as secretary 10
Thomas f. Ryan. met Sulzer, the con-
gresham. some ten years ago. ne SUI
az II was unfolded by McGlone was mat
Srlzer called Allan Ryan on the telephone
very soon after his nomination. Suose-
ouently the Junior Ryan, his rather peins
,ber in Europe. sent McGlone to see sui
var hut not until after another telephone
message came from Sulzer. About octo-
her II Suzer called Ryan on the tesephone
again. after which Ryan spoke TO NC
| Clone about the matter and McGlohe' on
zer's office.
TEL us the conversation that you hau
with him at that time Stancnheld Ill
rected
Mr. Herrick. for the defence, INTERCEPTED
an objection which was promptiy oNe'
ruled by President Cullen ana Mc"io"e
! i'm a drawing voice. so low ipoken 'ha'
| his entire answer had to be read 10 INV
| court later by the stenographer fefileu
He spoke about his campaign. sa'u
did not think there was any quesuo'
about his election; that ne was sure u
h, elected: and he said he wanted to MAKE
personal campaign. said, inasmucf
as he was nominated by the organization
the organization ought TO give nm th'
money, and he said, no, that he needeo
certain money.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-07
Held Gifts personal"

sulzer. knowing the sentiment and
feeling OF the donors toward him. be-
lleved many of the gifts were intended
for him personally, to be used In MS
campaign. IL needed, or 10 be applied TO
his personal expenses Many of these
contributions were handled by clerks ana
b. Louis A. Sarecky. his campaign secre-
tary, so that Sulzer had no personal
knowledge of the gifts.
Not until after the election did Sa-
rocky learn that it would be necessary TO
make out a statement of expenditures
and having kept no account OF all the
expenditures. he had 10 depend on MS
memory regarding many of them When
he finally submitted the statement TO the
Governor. ne. without reading II. got Sa-
recky's assurance that it was all right
and with no thought of falsifying signed
Il and swore 10 its truthfulness
Article 2-That in swearing to the
campaign statement the Governor COM
mitted perjury.
Nowhere does the law say that can
6idate shall tell what money he receives
during the campaign Only statement
showing expenditures is demanded. None
has questioned the Governors eNpendi-
lures. therefore his affidavit meets every
requirement of the law and he is In no
WAY guilty of perjury.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-07
MAY Keep Sulxer Oh Stand.

Then Herrick, aided at intervals by
Hinman and Louis Marshall. endeayored
| 10 limit its scope. and when the story Of
the Governors endeavor to enlist Ryan
services TO procure Republican aid
through Senator Root was indicated the
defence worked harder than IT has at any
time in the trial II worked TO good ei-
feet. too. for Judge Cullen, after the s'orF
had been told and long arguments ABOUT
the testimony lad followed between Her
rick and stanchfeld he ruled IT out.
That did not satisfy tie lawyers for the
defence. They inter posed objection con-
stantly 10 the form OF questions and com
PEELED Stanchheld t. adhere so strictly to
the rules of evidence, heretofore inter
preted literally by Judge Cullen, that ne
could not get the story from Ryan in
one piece. but had TO interrupt him at
critical point i'm his testimony 10 estap-
lsh other facts through lgnatus '. NC
| Clone, secretary TO Thomas Fortune
Rven. and then returned TO the young
Nnancier. who completed his testimony.
This testimony and Meany's Is respon-
/ sibie for a renewal tonight OF the reports
| that Governor Sulzer may not 20 on the
l
| witness stand. Before that time IL had
! been considered a practical certainty, so
! certain that the managers instead nf saw
ing the Ryan and Meany testimony Tor
rebuttal. when there was some doubt IN
their minds about its being admitted de-
cded TO reopen the case and put IT on the
record now. so they. might have a chance
to ask the Governor about 1t when he
| came TO testify.
] The inner circle OF Sulzer associates.
who have been predicting all along that
! the Governor would take the stand ana
tell story like that which Hinman, IN
! his opening address. outlined, insist to-
night that now. more than ever. the Gov
ernor will testify. But Herrick says. offi-
cially. that that point is not yet settled
Reilly To Be Second Witness.
! The first witness tomorrow Will he
| Sarecky. on whom so much OF the defence
as described by Human to-day rests. The
f, second will be Hugh J. Reilly. the con-
tractor who alleges Sulzer. when Con-
| gresham, caused him TO be paid by the
government OF Cuba by enlisting the good
! Offices OF the United States government.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-10-07
Looked TO Barnes for Aid.


Again came the objections OF the de-
fence. voiced by Herrlck. Human and
Marshall i'm one breath. and when Judge
cullen sustained them Stanchheld
changed his tactics. although still pursu-
ing the same object.
Under the ruling" he said, Il am
GOING to put what might otherwise seem
TO be a leading question. II the president
please" and then. turning 10 the witness.
he continued. Didn't you have some
talk at that time or later with Governor
sulzer upon the subject OF trying to pro-
cure some one to influence the action OF
this COURT"
A long debate between counsel ended by
Judge Cullens ruling that the matter
should be admitted Professionally. Ryan ;
answer then took up the thread OF his
discourse. which had been interrupted by
McGlone's advent OH the stand. and this
answer caused subsequently the closest
division OF sentiment on "A vote that had
been seen I'm the trial so FAR.
He asked me 20 so to Washington 10
sec Senator Root and request him TO see
William Barnes and get him TO cndeavor
to have the Republican members of this
body to vote that this court had no right
to try hm-to impeach him
The Governors counsel Immediately
asked that the answer be stricken out.
Stanchheld contended that II should he
allowed to stand as corroborative evil
dence. tending to show the intent OF the
Governor with respect to the impeach-
ment trial
Judge Cullen finally ruled that it should
be stricken out and Senator Elon r.
Brown. Republican leader OF the Senate.
asked permission to address the court
Stricken Out on 80 to 10 Vote.
with all due Difference to the ruling Of
the president" he said, "in view OF this
matter having come up. desire to move
Mat II be allowed to stand on the record.
! think opportunity should be had to sft
such an inquiry TO the bottom. This is a
public trial, and while | believe in adher-
ing TO the rules Of evidence so far as they
protect the respondent. | think that II is
due TO the people OF the state and due TO
the coux that after such a matter has
Deen brought out I'm a court that there
should be no filnching on the part or the
court In relation to the inquiry I there
fore move that the ruling Of the char be
not sustained"
Judge Cullen Immediately put the ques-
ton, which went to the court without de-
bate or explanation, except that OF Sena-
tor Brown. The ruling OF Judge Cullen,
excluding the answer given by Ryan,
which brought In the names OF Senator
Root, William Barnes and the Republi-
can members OF the Senate. was sustained
by a vote OF - to 1s
All the judges of the Court OF Appeals
voted to sustain the presidents ruling eX-
Guiding the evidence except Judge Wer-
Eer, who voted that the evidence should