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The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-11-29
ZELAYA IN CELL AT TOMBS
'ormcr NicnrasHRn Dictator Huoycd
tp bs Two Hupc..

Especial to The Times Dispatch
New York November 2N-"This will
be my last night In the Tombs." con
iidcntly declared General Jose Santos
Iclaya this evening in his cell The
former dictator, who is being held to
await cNtradition To Nicaragua ON
charges Of murder and other crimes. is;
huoyed up by two hopes. Following
The issuance Of a writ of habeaS cor
pus in the Federal Court to-day on an
plication hy his counsel. Xelaya was i'm =
formed that lac may be released on bail
He was informed that the attitude nt
the officials Of the Department Of JuS-
ticc indicates that he may he freed
ON condition that tho return to Barcc
Iona
There Is u precedent for bail in
Iclaya's case said Clarence Cialston.
of the former diCtator's counsel aftcl.
hc had hcld conference with his
client. Mir Galston would not saV.
whether he intended To apply for bail
tomorrow.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-11-29
ALL THINGS HAVE SOULS
To Eat i>ippcrcd HERRING Means IL MIL
omr Hnct> to Worry on.

Special to The Times Dispatch
New York. November 2s.-"Do not
cat i<ippcred herring, ior ii has a
soul ana Will come back AMI make
trouble for YOU
This was the advice OF Miss Lind
y! iia4eby. psYchic, antiviviscclionist.
sufragette. lawyer and author. who ar
iived to-day on the Lusitania to at
ttfnd thc convention OF the Antivivisec-
t4oh League at Washington.
All things have souls-the lowest
animals as We'll as the most brilliant
m'n. said Miss Al IlaEeby, as the Lusi-
ianiM n""r"t quarantine.
Thcn this klppored herring which
III. ~. on my plate has Il SOUL she was
YES, indeed" answered MISS ar
!iaschN, and II YOU eat il | venture
II VIII return to trouble You"
Miss ~ iiageby said the soul OF
William L. stead. the English news
papcr man who was lost on the Titanic.
frequently called upon her at her home
~ l;ond"n slc declared this was
..h' lAst person or soul She had talked
that ihc soul OF her dead Irish terrier
ircuucntiN returns To frolic with her
live ST BERNARD
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-11-29
HANISH is FOUND GUILTY
Text Book uf Mnzdaznun Cult Unit for
tirculation.

Chicago, November 2S-Otoman Ear
Adusht iianish, high priest OF AiaZ-
daznan." ana lcade, OF tho Hazda.nan
cult OF sun Worshipers, said to number
nuout 100" in different cities. was
found guilty bS Federal jury here to-
day OF sending objectionable literature
hN express in violation OF the interstate
commerce laws lie may be sentenced
to five years imprisonment or $4,000
!nc, or both.
The verdict brands as unfit for cir
cuiation the textbook of the cult The
BOOK Was read 10 the jury, and almost
no other evidence was offered by either
sidc. The book prescribed sun baths
ana herb remedies. but the feature OH
jected TO by the government was a
treatise Of sex relations
Ilanish was trapped by Dana Angler.
n postal Inspector. who wrote from
hrookii"ld. Mo, asking under Il flc-
titious name. for a copy Of the text
book lianish sent the book by EXPRESS
/" avoid conflict with postal rceula
Iianish is at liberty under his orig
inni bond of Slo,oo0. Hearing of mo-
il"ns and sentence will lie 10y Judge
Mack next week
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-11-29
Citizens Ask That Grand
Jury Investigate OBJ
StructiOn.
CLOSED BY ORDER
OF CITY COUNCIL
Special Ordinance. Passed Over
Mayors Veto, Fought in Court,
New Document Being Filed
by N. w. Bowc and
Others-Claim Prop
erty Is Damaged.

Complaint registered Yesterday IN tho
IIustinrs Court by nine prominent ci,i
zcns charges Fred W Scott Elizabeth
s scott end Z. 7 y MYERS Jr. with
maintaining n nuisance I'm tho alley
that extends from Shaf.r 10 Harrison
Streets, between Franklin Strect and
Park Avenue. Whil" tho paper was
placed IN the hands Of Clerk Walter :
Christian, It viii not 50 formally on
record until to-day
The complaint is signed b. Y W
Eowe. : .. Mercditn. Y y Airport
''lim Well. = : Boz". Bruce Bowe +
ID Newell. - q Kennedy and w T
Gathright II gets forth tina, tho pa,-
ties named as defendants have. By
building certain walls IN tho alley be-
tween Shafcr and ilb.risou streets. ot-
.tructed It 20 tho damage of the per
sons and property - the complain
ants. II is accompanied tH petition
asking that tie court appoint Il spe-
ciai grand iury To Investigate. the >b-
"tructiuu and in" complaint
Secured .prrin, Ordinances.
According 70 Attornoy Davld Ncadc
W nike. who with Eich.rd Evelyn Byld
IS counsel for TIC complaiNauts. the de
eudants secured the passage of q Spc-
cal ordinance ga on granting 10 iucu
the right TO erect Tie walls against
vhich complain, is Registered Th4
'h'l ~ ''' ''H III
t'he'F anu INC flre department, and
Was Ne'oe" ~ the Mayor Inc council
ho"eN'r p"Ase" ihe ordinance over th"
-lIFoi NetV.
y 'ei" p"r"Ft inylnrt!oh Was secured
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The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-11-29
WILSON IN NEW YORK
III attend ArEiy-\nNy t:amr-Nr mud
hr>. SnHrc to vail for Europe ro-Duy.


hr>. S"Hrr {" snii for Europe To-day.
N"w York. November President
Wilson and his party. Who left Wash :
lnston To-Day for this city. arrived
shortly before : o'clock Tonight The
i'residcrts visit here is in response to
the Invitation to attend the Army Navy
football gam" at the Polo Grounds to-
morrow He plans To start back TO
Nashlngton late tomorrow night.
IN the Presidents party We're Mr.
ana Mrs. Francis l.. Sayre. the bridal
couple who viii sail to-morrow morn
ing for Europe: Secretary OF the Navv
Daniels. Secretary of the Treasury Me
Ndoo. Miss Eleanor Wilson Miss Mar
l"ric Brown. Secretary Joseph Tumulty
ana Or Cary i. Graysom, l.. = ~
MS the party passed through the
railroad terminal photographers dared
prior threats of arrest and took flash
light pictures. Secret service men tooll
the camera men in charge
president Wilson went 40 tho home
of a friend. Colonel T.. NJ. House. where
he viii hc a guest Willie here. Tonight
nc attended tho theatre. MIR And Mrs
SaNro Guided newspaper reporters AT
the terminal by leaving through "a gate
other than that used hv the President
IhcN went to an uptown hotel.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-11-29
Form Ell President Of
Mexico Cables His
Consent.
HE WILL RESUME
HIS OLD COMMAND
Has Said He Would Never Como
Back Except to Save Country
From Foreign vasion.
United States Orders Three
Battleships to Proceed
to Vera Cruz.

ISpecisi Gable to The Times Dispatch
MIex!co City. November 2s.-EIuerta.
i'll his extremity has recalled pornrio
Diaz.
The Provisional President announced
to-day that he had reinstated the
Portrio Diaz General Division i'm the
Me%ican army. and had requested the
former President in exile to resume
his old military command General
bia% is eighty-threc years old.
Diaa cabled his consent to-day. but
did not indicate when he would leave
Paris
Dia" has said he never would come
back except TO save MeXico from for
eiGn invasion.
ment was sent to Congress to-day pro-
NidinE for the creation Of naval
school at MaZatlan. 1t is intended that
the school shall train pilots and navi-
cation officers
The Nineteenth and Twcn,vteich,h
Infantry. comprising 600 men left
to day for Vera Cruz. where they will
embark for Tampico The two regi-
mcnts are under command of Colonel
Garcia Luro.
y" Spanish Wnrship.
The Spanish minister stated to-day
that spain had no intention OF send
inS any warships TO Mexican waters
1t is believed that Minister Lozano
VIII be transferred from tine Ministry
of Communications to the Ministry OF
the Interior tomorrow or Monday
y decree forbidding all gambling III
the citT of Mexico after December /
was issued to-day by tie President
During the Daz regime gambling was
confined to one regularly licensed re
sort since then the prohibition has
been relaxed to n considerable degree
Twenty men and three women wero
arrested this afternoon at Concepcion
TodeIcpuica, on the outskirts OF the
capital. on charge OF plotting against
me government II Was learned that
they had held meetings which they
said We're spiritual scances. but u
search OF the mecUng place OF the CO.
icric disclosed a large amount OF arms
ammunition and revolutionary docu-
ments.
Private dispatches received late this
afternoon say that General Kubio NAY
arrette recaptured Victoria from the
rchelS to-day, putting them to flight
II is reported that I.mjliano Zapntn
has gathered about 5000 men for She
purpose Of beginning an invasion OF
the states OF Guerrero and Alorclos
lie is now said to he somewhere i'm
Guerrero.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-11-29
DOUBLED ON THEIR TRACKS
"Rrni story" at Flight of Nr. and Mrs.
SnHrc Comes ia Light.

Special to The Times Dispatch
Washington, November 2S-Th :.
real story" OF the flight of the bride
ana bridegroom from the White House
on Tuesday evening was discovered
here tonight as having been only a
circuitous ride from the White House
gardens To the house of q very promi :
mont government official who lives ON
the Avenue Of the Presidents
According TO this story. the fleeing,
couple doubled on their tracks after
gong som" distance towards George
town ana then went to this residence
IhiS TACT came ont when IL became
known that on Wednesday th. flowers
ana ;clcgran% that came to tho White
House Tuesday night were sent to the
palatial home in this city. where the
beginning of tho honeymoon was spent.
MI. ana Mrs. Sayrc are stated to have
stayed in Washington Tuesday mimi
ana Wednesday night They motorrd
10 Baltimore on Thursday morning ana
returned in the evening
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-11-29
DANCING CAUSES OPERATION
Mrs. ThOEns Out-FanGoes .ic Tango
with the NntrhicIir
[ Snccinl tn I'hn Tinncs- nisna1cl

ISpccial % The Times Dispa tch.
New York. November 2S.-Mrs. X. H.
Thomas. noted society woman, raced
across the Atlantic for an operation
made necessary by her passion for
dancing. She arrived to-day on board
the steamer Lusilania, and proceeded
TO her home, $40 Park Avenue
They are simply wild about the
tango In Paris" said Mrs Thomas. "and
they have out-tangocd the tango with
Il new dance over there. II is called
the Matchichc, and have nearly
danced myself TO death ! Ike IL so
much. IL was because danced so ar
IDENTIFY that the operation was made
necessary.
II did not want to leave the dances.
undergo tho operation / preferred 10
come to old New York. My husband
had hnrd time pcrs,iading me to lave
of the dancrng. but as soon as I re-
cover from the operation ] ann going
back TO Paris and make up for lost
time"
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-11-29
THAW FILES ANSWER
Objects to BEING Put i'm Custody Of
ShcriN Drew.

Concord, ~ H.. November 2S--Harry
Is, Thaw filed in the United states Dis
trict Court to-day his answer to the
petition OF the state Of New York that
Sheriff Holman y. Drew ho made cus-
todian Of the Mattcawan fugitive. with
authority 10 deliver him to the New
York officials under the cXtradition
warrant issued by Governor Fcll<cr
Action on the warrant was stayed by
ha hcas corpus proceedings Instituted
by Thaw.
the cXtradition warrant would he
Illegal and oppressive because based
on An unconstitutional statute and
an order OF commitment without trial,
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-11-29
HEARING is POSTPONED
osborne VIII Later Take tn Charcc,
Against Carlisle nnd SuIHcr.

SN"NIaI 10 JIl' 7 ln-N- IISpHtCh.
Albany. \. Y. November 2S.-The
hedrinS ON the charges against High
way tomm!SS Sioncr Carlisle. cX-t;ovcr-
nor Sul%er ana the lattcr's former chief
investisator, John, y. iicnnessy. was
postponed to-day by Special Commits
sioncr James w. Osborne until next
Wednesday. The postponcmcnt was
made in order TO give Commissioner
Carlisle nm opportunity to secure coun-
sci.
Mr.. Osborne announced that on We'd
nesday he VIII hear the testimony of
Henry y. itubinO. counsel for K. War
cr-Quinlan Asphalt Company. which
charges Carlisle. Snlzcr and Iienncssy
with having conspircd to giVS the Bar
Der Asphalt Company q monopoly OF
state highway work
Franklin Nevis. of counsel for the
iarbcr concern, and Patrick H. Quinlan
VIII niSO npnnar on "Wednesday.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-11-29
No RcpIy 10 propo.,,,o,

pcnNcf, COL, November 2S.-t;ovcr-
nor Ammons to-day received no reply
from either tho Colorado coal opera
tors or their striking employees t. Il
proposition for arbitration submitted
last night. The Governor announced
that without waiting further he would
put into effect enforcement of law and
order in the strike zone
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-11-29
$4,000 TOO MUCH FOR LIFE
Southern halfway ApprmIs fo L. =
SmprcmIc COMrt To- KcAcrsc Iusc

Supreme Court to Hc,crSc t.usr.
Washington November 2S-Contenl :
ing that 100000 is too much FOR the
ne OF locomotive engineer. the
southern Railway COMPANY to-day an
pealcd TO the supreme Court OF tlL,.
United states To reverse the Supreme
Court OF South Carolina which award :
cd Such a sum to the widow OF an en-
Einc driver, who WAS killed when his
tram dashed into Il burning trestl,,
near ASTON. =. G.. on August %, 1911
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-11-29
SHIPS SAIL FROM NAPLES
American Commanders Exchange Visits
with KuSsinu.

Naples. November 2S.-The United
states naval supply ship Celtic and
the fuel ship Cyclops left here to-day
for the south The commanders OF the
battlesliips Florida and Arkansas eX-
changed visits with the commander of
day,
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1913-11-29
Organization for Dcfcn,c.


SIR Lionel Garden. the British Min
istcr has scut note To every member
of the British colony SUGGESTING. or
ganiZation Tor defense in case OF anti
foreign riots or invasion by bill men,
meaning Zapatistas The circular asks
what arms and ammunition each man
possesses, and suggests that the mem-
bcrs OF the colony should assemble in
that portion OF the city Known as COL
onip Juarcz In case of trouble 1t also
suggests tho advisahility OF other for
ciGn colonies forming like organza-
tons so that all may act together tn
police the city ana defend women, chill
drcn and property
Herbert liourchier general manager
Of the Mutual Life Insurance Company
here. has been appointed chairman of
the defense committee TO take charge
OF thu raising OF defense fund. Th,
reason oiVcn Tor this defense movement
Is tn" lack of soldiers in the city. all
possible having been sent to various
disturbed portions of the republic.
t"ntirmntion Not Obtninablc.
several Cabinet ministers have indus
triously circulated the report OF the
recaptura OF Victoria, bur no direct
confirmation OF the report is obtain
able
Minister Of War Blanquct says he
has arranged To send 3.O00 men TO con-
tend with tho rebels in Sinalon Blau-
du"t says General Nclasco's column has
reached Gomez Palacio on the way 10
rorreon. lie also declares that the
only reason Oroaco did not take Juarcn
was that he wished TO avoid hurting
people on the American side. and that
a plan Is hcing considered for taking
the city without cndangering the pco-
pie OF III Paso
story has been circulated here that
when the British cruiser Berwick an
4
band played the Mexican national
hymn. and that when a detachment
OF marines landed they shouted Viva
lIuerta" and "Nive Mexico" to the
great delight OF the people.
Orders 10 Bnt,Icships.
Washington November IS, Although
high officials OF the administration
cling to the belief that tho downfall or
Ilucrta is inevitable. and that Car
ranaa will he in McXico city by Jan
uarV |, orders were issued to-day by
Secretary OF the Navy Daniels for tho
hattlcships Connecticut. Kansas and
Ohio to proceed 10 Mexican waters from
the Mediterranean These vessels will
arrive at Guatanamo December l. take
on coal and sail for Vera Cruz.
II has been stated that these vessels
are intended 10 relieve the Louisiana,
Michigan and New HampIhirc. but 4.
is not denied that necessities may arise
FOR a change Of this program. 1t is re-
called that similar declaration was
made six weeks ago when a third divf-
sion OF the Atlantic hect was ordered
South, ostcnSibly TO relieve the second
division.
At the State and Navy Departments
ii was stated to-day that there were
no critical Developments at Tampico.
The battleships Nebraska anG fshod,.
Island and the gnnboat Wheeling are
stun stationed at that port, ready 10
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Evening times-Republican. [volume] (Marshalltown, Iowa) 1890-1923, 1913-12-22

town sFe able to write checks for AL
thay buy. That new public Improve
ments were never 50 many and that
never were 20 many public improve
ments scheduled. That labor - well
employed In Iowa and that trade 10
good. that demand for all products
has not slackened. That everybody has
money and everybody who wants and
ought to keep It has = Job. That corn
and cattle and hogs keep up" That
at the end oe the year we are further
ahead than we were last year and that
all are planning and looking forward
to . new house or an extension of bus
iness or some advance Of one kind and
another next year.
Don't fuss over the business stu.
alton. Get busy getting ready to take
care Of the big business you are GER
tain to have next year II you go after
it and deserve it. The fellow that
apend time fussins and shyins at
imaginary Ills may be headed the
wrong way whom the barrier snaps for
the big race Of 1914.
Evening times-Republican. [volume] (Marshalltown, Iowa) 1890-1923, 1913-12-22

brigade and 20 to work at tho small
wells when there 10 no knowing which
one Is dry and which one Is full and
when the owner Of each we'll stands by
with shot sun to protect his own
water supply because Of his fear that
there will be no place for him to go for
water II ne let's the public pump too
strongly from hts we'll. AS cities Ions
ago abandoned the individual well for
the central reservoir system this ma
ton has now consolidated the reserves
of 5000 individual banks into a system
OF seven or moro big central reservoirs
with pipes leading back to each small
banking well. When the water rises
in one small well 1t will seek its level in
the great central reservoir and when
1t falls because Of local demand below
the level Of the central reservoir bank
ing capital will fiow back to the small
reservoir. Hereafter the banking cap
ital Of the country is so piped from one
bank to another thru the reserve asso-
Citations that 1t will always be able to
seek Its own level naturally. Hereafter
business will be ready for a fire. Pad
locks will be off the pumps to all those
who can show a legitimate right to
work the handle.
Evening times-Republican. [volume] (Marshalltown, Iowa) 1890-1923, 1913-12-22

business OF city detectives to continue
on the first case until the culprit had
been unprecedented. and yet, instead ct
such attacks being limited to one iso-
lated case. several such attacks have
occurred.
There have been several burgiaries
Of late that appear to be the work. OF
amateurs. Show cases in front OF
stores are not usually broken open by
professional burglars. 1t would seem
possible for the detectives to discover
the haunts OF the gang of youthful
burglars. It is quite possible that
these fellows hang around some Of the
pool halls Of the city.
Policemen are employed by the COM
munity to protect peoples lives and
property. The responsibility is on them
for the prevalence Of crime in the city.
The chief should give the men to I'M
derstand that the community will not
tolerate any laxtty in the police depart
ment. It certainly Is not the time FOR
the policemen to be petitioning for
more pay when conditions show that
the department lacks efficiency.
And II any Of the men think it pos
sibie to take refuge behind any pro-
Evening times-Republican. [volume] (Marshalltown, Iowa) 1890-1923, 1913-12-22
MAKE YOUR ESTIMATE.

The commoneSt exclamation evoked
by the mass of children who filled the
streets from curb to curb Saturday was
had no idea there were so many chill
dren in the world" Pushing, jostling,
laughing and shouting the kids" sim
ply owned Main street during their
hour OF the Christmas festival. Tho
candy lasted like snowbalIs would have
endured in the fiery furnace wherein
those Hebrew children with names
hard to remember were tested on HIS
torical occasion. And this mighty tribe
OF Marshall county bedouins having
had their fling melted out of the crowd
tents and silently steal away"
1t was Marshalltown and Marshall
county in 1880 that marched whoop-
ing thru Main street Saturday. 1t was
the young stock" that shall be broken
to harness and busy pulling. the rising
swell OF the wave that lifts and reaches
It's high nnin. and breaks once in thirty
years. 1t was the incoming tide that
swept thru the street. and those who
watched and wondered from the side
walks were the high tide and the ebb
Of the food.
1t was an object lesson that should
set men thinking. There in the noisy
procession marched all that the coming
generation shah accomplish. 1t was all
there. all this generation has accom-
plished and all that the centuries have
builded. For as the best of every day
is in today so all the best that all hu-
man endeavor has brought to pass
marched with the children Saturday
thru the streets Of Marshautown.
1t ought to set us thinking. It should
bring up the question whether we are
paving our debt to the future in these
children. Whether We are CIV
ing the future citizen his full
chance. Whether the embryo Of 1875
the best of our present opportunity.
For sure as the years pass and men
grow old and die the men and the con-
ditions Of the coming years will be pre-
cisely what we afford them opportunity
to be.
Are we giving enough attention to
the children as an important part Of
the public? Could we do more and
what could we do? Are the schools
covering the essentials Of citizen max
ing thoroughly? Are the laws protect
ing children sufficiently enforced? Let's
think It over. What Is that bunch Of
children worth to 1914 and the future?
in cash. Make your own estimate.
Evening times-Republican. [volume] (Marshalltown, Iowa) 1890-1923, 1913-12-22
THE GOOD OLD DAYS
BURLINGTON Gaza+,a1


some Of the Iowa papers are harktnr
back to the time when the butchers
used 20 give away liver and spareribs
ihey were prospectus times when the
breaking OF an egg was not noticed
and strloin steak was the center
piece OF the dinner of the humblest fam.
ny Nothing is given away these days
Inc freely bestowed chunk of bologna
that always made the errand to the
meat market one of unalloyed pleasure
Tor the Riddles Is a mere memory. II
you want chunk OF bologna nowadays
you pay for It and the chunk is not very
Dig, either. And for liver. you come
across for the liver Just the same as
you do for lamb chops or anything
else You also remember when almost
anybody could 90 into a grocery store
chop OF slice Of cheese and deive into
the cracker barrel and board all win
ter on q soap box at the grocer's ex.
pense. You cannot do this now. The
crackers are in hermetically sealed
packages and the cheese is locked in q
strong box. The apples are carefully
guarded. and when the grocer gives you
specially selected. mummified cigar
when you pay your bill he thinks he
Is giving you the best Of 1t. You pay
Tor everything you get nowadays. But
at that. who would want to 60 back to
the old days?