New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-09-07
John Kirby,'Jr., So Tells Lobby
Committee, but Denies Ex.
istenCe of Improper Lobby.
COLONEL MULHALL UPHELD
Auditor Employed by Senate
Committee Testif1es That
He Received $246,000
During Ten Years.
IRON The Tribune Bureau.l

Washington, Sept 6 Attacking the
American Federation OF Labor as "a
merciless labor trust" John Kirby. jr.,
ex-president Of the National Association
OF Manufacturers. concluded his answer
to the Mulhall charges before the House
lobby committee to-day. Mr. Kirby said
frankly that the association was deter
mined to continue the fight against the
class legislation" fathered by the Amer
lean Federation OF Labor but he Tsor-
ously denied the Mulhall allegations that
an improper lobby existed.
Mr.. Kirby compared the American Fed
Grafton OF Labor TO the Industrial Work
ers of the World, contending that their
practices and aims were similar. This
aroused Jackson II. Ralston. attorney for
the Gompers organization. who said:
"The American Federation Of Labor
and tho Industrial Workers of the World
are absolutely different and antagonistic
organizations. They are divorced. and
the witness should not be allowed to link
their names"
Mr.. Kirby protested he could prove his
charges, but Chairman Garrett ternf-
mated the wordy war by ruling that the
entire controversy was foreign 10 the
purposes Of the inquiry and that Mr..
Kirby's accusation would be stricken
from the record.
The ex-president OF the National Asso-
citation OF Manufacturers read long de-
fence OF the activities OF the ASSOCIATION
saying there was no disposition on ns
mart 10 deny that II had consistently OPP
posed LEGISLATION wanted by the labor or
CARNATIONS and that II sought TO help
members opposed by the American FEEDER
alton OF Labor.
we have not maintained an objection
able lobby" continued Mr.. Kirby. put
we will continue TO oppose by legitimate
means that kind OF class legislation which
the powerful lobby OF the labor orsahi-
cation seeks to have passed"
d. NJ. Parry. another ex-president OF the
Manufacturers Association. amused the
committee with his answers. In reply 10
question abou. his relations with for-
mer Senator Beverage. he said
We'll. ought to know him pretty wen
I got him his job in the Senate He eN-
plalned later that when he got Beverage
the lob" he was acting personally. ana
not AS president OF the association.
u. l.. Frawley. employed BY the Senate
lobby committee TO audit the books OF the
National Association OF Manufacturer,
testified 10 the committee to-day that be-
tween 1905 and 1918 the association paid
s2l5 900 TO Martin VI. Mulhall for legisla-
tive and campaign work. The audit con-
Armed in many particulars Mulhalfs tes-
tlmony 10 the committee.
The association spent more than Two
million dollars in those ten years for all
OF It's various activities. Frawley report
cd. Accounts which Mulhall said had
been designated by numbers on the as
sociation's books TO hide Identity Of some
a., those drawing money for legislative
or campaign work were investigated by
Frawley. who reportSc he could not hnd
that the accounts ever had carried the
names OF the bsneticiaries.
James 4. Emery Washington counsel
for the National Association OF Manu-
factIrers. told the House lobby commit
tee to-day that the American Federation
of Labor had been as active as the manu-
facturers In opposing Congressman whose
views il did not approve. lie promised
TO produce evidence.