New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1913-08-19
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putler Of No. 366 West nth street.
New York. who, it was said, Is "lueiy
known as Big Dick" Butler
This Identification rested on the worn
of William Gordon, owner OF the nor
land Hotel where the men stopped
and Lem Churchill. manager OF the mo-
tevs garage. When a photograph Oh
rig Dick" was shown TO them they
said he was undoubtedly the same man
who led the Thaw rescue party anu
that they could Mt be mistaken
They said Butler in every way was
the leader and did all the spending
Thov described him as a hale tello"
we'll met" He was more IMAM SIN
feet tall. athletic in build and weighed
,yo hundred pounds. Although lie
bold somewhat aloof from the other
members Of the party, he talked TO
others sometimes in Boosting strain
Among other items OF information"
he LET fall about himself according 10
cordon. was that he had taken part
- New York politics of the Tammany
brand He also said that he was
dealer in spring water with place Oh
b,,ei,esa in West 34th street. and that
he owned springs in oyster Bay
Personalities Said to Agree.
These details. it was said agreed
with the personality Of the New YORK
pr,ler From other sources it was
learned that Big Dick Butler was AT
ma time associated with Sam Parks
and former chief Of Police William >.
n.verv and that he sat in the AS
sorblv from 1901 to 1903. He was
mixed I'D also in labor troubles II was
said and was AZ one time under arrest
for killing man. but was discharged
He was said TO have been at one
time n close friend OF the McNamara
brothers. convicted as dynamiters' ana
II was learned here tonight that Burns
detective Agency men were at WORK
on the case. and had discovered IN"
Nov York garage from which the auto
mobile in which Thaw escaped came
The garage was said TO be near 2'th
street and Ninth avenue, and that
Sam Paul had an interest in il.
II was also said that two OF the
members II the party Of five had been
located in New York by Burns detec-
,ives They were said L be members
NJ the Gopher" gang. with regulations
as gunner.
DR. Raymond +. c. Kieb. Superin-
tendent OF Matteawan, tonight gave
out list Of all persons who have VS.
tied Thaw since Kieb took charge on
June II. These persons, he said were
William Vanamee Of Newburgh;
Harry Hirschberg. of New York; for
mer Judge Olmsted. OF New York;
Louis Vorhaus. Of New York, and
Rafael Eagan. Of Newburgh. all Of
counsel for Thaw, and Mary Coplsy
Thaw. the prisoners mother.
They were all. he said, with the ex-
ception Of Hirschberg and Nanamee.
under the surveillance Of a guard when
they talked with Thaw. Hirschberg
and Vanamee, he said, were permit
ted. under a recent court ruling, 10 see
Thaw alone. The last man TO see
Thaw alone from the outside was Mr..
Vanamee. he said. He was with him
from 3 10 ) o'clock last Friday after
noon.
About a month ago. DR.. Kieb said,
H. J. Rice, a stenographer from the
office of Clarence J. Shearn, formerly
Thaw's counsel asked TO be permitted
TO have an interview with Thaw. His
request was refused.
Dr.. Flint "Old and Peevish."
The interview given out by DR.. Aus
fin Flint. of New York. in which DR..
Flint assailed Or. Kieb and said that
II DIR. Amos T. Baker was still superin-
tendent of Matteawan Thaw would
never have escaped. was shown TO DR..
Kieb tonight. He said;
DIR. Flint is becoming old and peev-
ish He is set in his ways. | won't
make any reply 10 what he says now
but may do so later, probably within
day or two
In the afternoon Morris koenig, an
assistant District Attorney of New
York County, arrived at Matteawan
and held a conference with DR.. Kieb.
He said that the purpose of his visit
was TO offer the prison authorities the
assistance of his office in case any OF
the details of the plot TO liberate Thaw
were Matched in the jurisdiction of the
New York District Attorney.
DESPITE the assertions of Howard h.
Barnum. the gatekeepera whom Thaw
dashed past in his break for liberty
that he is innocent OF any wrongdoing
and that an effort is being made 10
make him the goat" both the DIS
trict Attorney and DR.. Kieb believe he
will finally break down and reveal the
whole inside history Of the plot to give
Thaw his freedom.
II is believed that this will show that
an inner ring in the hospital was IN
| the employ OF Thaw for years, who
worked and waited to gain him his
| liberty when at last he should give up
all idea Of getting out through legal
procedure.
| This ring was said 10 have been made
up Of guards. attendants. and even GER
| tain Of the lower grade of officials. Mr.