The Washington herald., 1913-07-08

mad already toiQ MIN that stone had had
this telephone conversation and had Civ
en- him dauterbach expressed permission
to refer Ledyard to stone or Speaker
Clark for verihcation Of the authenticity
of his Uauterbach'sJ representations.
| The committee sought to prove that
Lauterbach knew all the time that 1t was
Ledyard's intention to refer to Represent
alive A. Mitchell Palmer as his tele-
phonic correspondent. and. therefore, that
Lauterbach know of Lamar's impersona-
tons of Palmer.
Although when the committee had led
Lauterbach through Ledyard's state
| ment earlier in the day, he had admitted
| the accuracy Of that part in which he
was quoted as referring 20 Senator Stone
as the intermed diary. he switched around
last night when cornered and said that II
ne had admitted the accuracy he had
peen mistaken. He denied emphatically
| that he had mentioned Senator Stones
name to Ledyard at that interview or at
! any other, but had merely said. actins
on instructions from Lamar, that he rep
| resented Speaker Clark in the negotia-
1 tions.
| Waivers of Immunity.
Rather than run the risk of rendering
either Lamar and Lauterbach immune
| from any prosecution which might be
| brought against them on charges Of at
| tempting to obtain money under false
| pretenses through Lamar's impersona-
lions, the comn,ittee Yesterday drew from
| both of the men waivers of any sucl,
| claims of immunity. Under the genera:
construction OF the Federal law, wit
nesses who testify before a committee of
Congress are immune from criminal pros
ecution with the matters about which
| they testify.
Hardly had Lauterbach commenced
I as
called the committee into executive
session. A set of revised statutes was
sent for and the committee spent
thirty-fve minutes studying them and
in discussion. Returning with the COM
mittee to the hearing room, Chair
man Overman asked Lauterbach IL II
was not true that he had come before
the committee voluntarily and with
out having been subpoened? Lauter-
bach replied:
Il have come here at my own re-
quest II there is any question on your
mind of immunity. I waive it abso-
lutely." Later, Lamar, in requesting
that he be permitted to take the stand
to substantiate something Lauterbach
had testified to, entered the same
waiver of immunity. Lamar probably
will be recalled to the stand today.
Lauterbach admitted that when he
had told Ledyard that a trip to WASH
ington, in which he had looked over
lne srouno, nag S.a u -. nm i,nns,;.a
ton without working through Lamar.
he had lied; that he had talked to no
one about the investigation while in
Washington, and that his only au-
thority for stating that conservative
tho
Investigation was David Lamar him
self.
Lamar is expected to clear up a num-
her of matters brought out by his friend
I.auterbach For instance there is much |
that conflicts between his story Of the
conversations between himself and Lau- |
terbacb relating to the latter's forth |
coming second interview with Ledyard \
and Mr.. Lauterbach's testimony yester- |
dav Iauterbach saws IL was specifically |
understood that he was to appear as the |
intermediary between Senator Stone, |
Sneaker Clark, and Democratic leaders |
and the Morgan interests. and that Lau- |
terbach was to permit Ledyard to deal |
directly with any of these men IN oroer
to verify these statements.
Senator Cummins asked Lamar when
he was on the stand:
Il thought you agreed oelorehano ma
ne OLauteToacp sho1ru S.ato.
these men 'Speaher ian anu
stone, were oach ot nm
10 'his Laiiaf iepe
Tells of Agreement.
.>- n. oil What We agreed
+, ehomid sav was that if Morgan
,,o,1d r,.L. a disclosure of all the money
that they had used in politics, and par
hcuiary WIN the Dun IN o uoI;.;oa, o..
wouid agree " a,,,5 800 not IN
usi.ss soror IN nni;,ics directly or
spehu one uo r., a',id asree 70 con-
nun Da,;o ,ar;fs no,icv in
ioIih 70 'ne .,,S -. - nc. oil their
~ IL M o,iS naoce that then
enorts IN iaso, Vi 49, ~ ,ov reea rded
an .hese .in;a,' 80 disI;te might
mem WIN spaaoa ,ha;r attituGe That
oe a. iI :, ~ .'e
Is A., s ~ III. ,ross.e1am,na.
io"aiu 'ne Gu. - n,.;r1v the a. /
tion Eau.erpacm ", 10 srs, tool
rect or the griilhs' "e" m.ss
the STAND ne was caHi,' eo oI
good-natured- Last night ne piains "
denced mental and physicaI exhaustion.
He was impatient, queruious' QUICK 70
accuse members of the committee with
attempts to lead him into false POSI-
tons, and argumentative TO degree.
Senator Reed. at the night session, re-
peatedly trapped him into CONTRADICTIONS