The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1912-09-25

Mcclure said. Won disregard these mon
entirely. Nou Eavo certified to us III"
i"Rsons why YOU have passed them and
v" I'll b" able 10 drop them from IN"
list and there will b" nn difficult v or ON
| ha"rassmcn; about il Whatever"
l.lte~ on Mr.. trouSo.. had mora ov-
t"Td"d talk with CCwmis, ,ion"r Mctiuira
regarding tho SANE OFT in = - II should
co're m again. Mr Nictiuirr. he sniri.
told him 10 follow tho sam" course and
when sending hICl> IA" list selected Ia
I Civ" th" rClson. for rejection in c7s"
/ three or mor" names came toGeth"r.
NJ" Mcti'iirn. Mr.. Crops"v slid. added
that Ii" needn't writo tho commission
/ IN advance on these matters. as the com
! mission trusted him. Mir tropSey vOiun-
t""rcd to give the 10 IsCn nS for III" rejection
! Of every man ra~-"d nv"~. whether thrr"
names cam" together nr not. on January
=, 1911. and January ~. iail. Mr. Cropsay
! received l"tt"rS from the secretary of
tn" commission notifying him that his
objections 10 the three mon he had passed
over had leon sustained.
! Considered Il n Precedent.
II was this correspondence which in
Mr.. Cropsey's view established the
, precedent Of which no later spoke to
Commissioner Creelman.
4 Mr.. treelman succeeded Mr.. Mcclure
on May !. 1911. Shortly afterward Mr..
Cropsoy told him that following the
practice h" had followed when Judge
Mcclure was head of the commission
he was sending tho commission his reasons
for the rejection OF all the men he passed.
Mr.. trc"lmIn. as he recalled. dbl not
express himself on the matter one way
or tho other at that lime.
I Mr., trOpsev made some appointments
on May u and the Chief Clerk of the
department made the usual notification
: I.,g
{ the memorandum of reasons for rejection
in tt" cases of those passed over,
! The witness continued
shortly after that Mr.. Creclman tele,
phorcd me and saul he had got that com
munlCaiIon from tn" chief clerk and he
thought had made some mistake in passing
tire" men together ! said | did not know
that ! mentioned tho fact that three meu
/ would he passed together and told hin
that h" and took that up wnrn he was ~
in The ohlcc and ! said then was follow wins
the rule I had with MIR. Mcclure and | sal,
would notify the commission OF my rca
sons for passing the men and / told hin
, that lac had not dissculcd al that time an,
that | thought If he was not satiiscd witt
II it would have been faircr II hs had mad,
hi. dissent Rnown before I made the ap
pontments.
lie said. This is an important matter
and think ! had better SEQ you." | said
Il think II il important. too. and will SCI
YOU about IT,.
went down to sec him. We had con
! versa'ion in which hs said he thought Il
was improper for inc-illegal ! think he
saId-to skip three men together. tolC
him in detail OF the arrangement had hac
with Mr.. Mcclure which have rected her,
this morning. and that | certainly believe,
had the right to follow that, and for the
moment had failed TO recall that there hac
been change and perhaps hc might no
have been familiar with the arrangcmen
| had with Mr.. Mcclure. ] said that
not only had that arrangement with Mr.
Mcclure. but II was carried out
You will find | appointed men after
wrote Mr. McGuire." said, pointing on
the letter you read this morning of De
cember 2s; that | appointed men aftel
that and skipped three names together.
| but that those appointments were cert iiiet
, by the Civil Service Commission and tn,
| men paid right along, recognizing the va
lidity of my appointments said thai
! certainly seemed to m" to Justify m,
action. because | said in addition that
This is a rule Of the com mission only
II is not an act Of the Legislature that re
Guires this and YOU gentlemen can, with
the approval Of such authority as YOU have
: 'o Ttl NHAeI lH' law, your rue,
from time to time" And, moreover
| ! said that thought there was provis
in the law which justified the Civil Service
Commission in striking names oil the list.
lsB di Il do not think there Ia any quest ior
about the legality of it," and he said -You
ought to revoke tho appointments of all
these men You appointed illegally" | sale
81 will not do that, ! do not consider they
are appointed Illegally. ! consider the,
nrc appointed legally and had perfect
! right to do what ! did because of the state.
mcnt made to you and tho reasons that
! have given"
! lie said. This ought to be 1xcd up in som,
way" ! said that II ought to and "if yo'
! do not want il done that way il should no
! bc done that way again. but this has beer
/ done this time because of following the
precedent" aud Mr., Crccman said, "W,
will see If we can nX il up" ! said 1T ccr,
tninly can be- ilyrd up without much trouble
because il was ilycd up under Mr. Mcclure
and ! am quite sure you ought to be abb,
to do what he did"
Refuses TO Revoke Action.
'h any rate" said, Il will not revoke
| their appointments. HI said. 81 will try
, to hy It up"
| In the same conversation he said he either
had or would submit the matter to the Dis