The Irish standard. [volume] (Minneapolis, Minn. ;) 1886-1920, 1912-11-30

believe that q FederaE system is the
solution sofs this 1ilestion. In 1893 Mr..
Gladstone declared that he had chang
ed Ills mind lEn this question, and
he wastseonvincedsysthat the country
were in favor of the retention of the
Irish members. Mr.. Parnell did the
same before his DEATH He emphat-
ically declared that he was in favor
of an Irish representation in this
House. OF course, pending the COM
representation of Ireland in this
House, no matter how small, will be
an anomaly. I assure hon. members
in all parts of the House that We
have no desire whatever to interfere
in the settlement of purely English,
Scottish and Welsh questions any
more than we desire them to interfere
in the settlement of Irish questions
"Latter Day PoIiteness."
A Unionist Member - No one will
believe you cob, OH" and Ministerial
dissent)
Mr.. J. Redmond-That is part of
the latter day politeness of hon. men,
bers above the gangway Cloud Ma
tionalist and Ministerial cheers).
have been long enough in this House
not to allow my temper to be ruffled
by Interruptions of that kind, because
how al irtn
tions recoil on the men who use them,
and that, so far from injuring an OPP
ponent they injure the person who
uses them (cheers). We have no de-
sire to interfere in English, Scottish
or Welsh business. But, on the other
hand, l think now, as / thought when
made the speech which has been
quoted, that an in-and-out system Is
impracticable and impossible, and,
therefore, il we are to have represent
tation in this House after Home Rule
ana pending the perfecting of Fed
etal system, it must be represented
with equal rights OF voting on all
questions in this House (cheers).
-, "A Question of Numbers.
The only way to mitigate the an
omaly is by reducing the numbers.
The Government say ~. I do not
suggest any particular number. l
know Mr.. Parnel suggested "a, and
amongst the reasons he gave for sug-
gesting the number was that he
thought that the larger the delegation
from ireland in this House the greater
and more constant would be the
temptation in this House to interfere
in purely Irish matters, which were
not their concern at ALL Therefore,
far as numbers are concerned,
make no point. I say we demand
representation in this House pending
the creation of a full system of fed
Grafton, and we are willing that our
numbers should be cut down. That
is the first reason, we say, that rep
rcsentation should be given to us
The second reason I need not dwell
upon, because it was fully dealt with
by my hon. friend. So long as this
House retains control over important
Irish affairs it is monstrous injustice
to say that we should have no voice
in this House. Hon. and right hon
gentlemen say - you are going tC
take over the control Of your Irish ar
fairs yourselves and then you are go.
ing to govern our affairs" Caughter)
We are not under this bill, taking
over full control OF Irish affairs.
Mr.. ParnelI's Argument.
The reserved services are detained
some of them for a period and some
Of them for the whole period they will
be In existence. There is land pur-
chase. Then, for number OF years
the police have a claim; then, on the
financial part of the bill, large pow.
ers FEST in this House; and, SO far az
that is SO, the argument used by Mr.
Parnell on this question stands
namely, that 1t would be an unjust
thing to deprive us OF representation
in this House (cheers). That Is oul
demand-a demand which has beer
explained more than once in times
past and more than once since this
bill came to be discussed. We say
to English, Scottish and Welsh mem.
bers that they cannot help having ar
anomaly pending the completion of q
federal system, and they make 1t sc
themselves by the fact that their Con.
stitution is full of anomalies, and sa,
it may work badly. You would con.
denim this Constitution and you would
condemn the Constitution OF ever,
self-governing portion of the Empire
(cheers). / myself earnestly hope
that the passage Of this bill into Law
will be speedily followed by the mass.