New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-05-03
IRISH ARE CONFIDENT
HOME RULE WILL PASS
Tories Said To Be Open to Bar
gain for Nationalist Vote if
Present Ministry Falls.
BALFOUR CRITICISES BILL
Sir Edward Grey Warns Ulster
That Defeat of Measure May
Be Followed by Sterner
Proposals.

London. May Z.-COnnoence III the suS-
cess Of the Home Rule fight grows steadily
stronger among the Irish Nationalists at
Westminster
"Supposing the Liberals go out OF power
before ireland gets Home Rule. what then
will be the prospect" one of the abiest of
the Irish leaders was asked to-day.
In the first place." was the reply, the
Liberals are not likely to go out. If they
do YOU will find that the Conservatives
are fully alive TO the strength of the Irish
party and the vitality of the Irish cause
Home Rule no longer depends upon the
fate of the Liberal party in England"
..If the Liberals were compelled to go TO
the country at present. would they De
beaten?"
quite possibly. The labor rows the IN
sirsnce act and dozen other things would
work against them. But IL they were beat
en- st all they would not be beaten paoIE'
and the Conservative majority would ne
small The Conservative party probably
could not form stable government with
out the support OF the Irish vote, ana MI
Ponsr Law or Mr.. Balfour would be COM
PEELED 10 make an arrangement win US
This could be done only by assuring US
that we should have at least as sood
Home Rule bill as the one now before
Parliament Already the conservatives
have shown themselves 10 be open 'o
bargain for the Irish vote.
Question as TO Ulster
Do YOU think the anti-Home Rule feel
ing in the North Of ireland is popularity as
strong as the language of the CarsonS'
Craigs and Moores would indicator
Certainly not. The real feeling OF the
North OF ireland is one thing and the ora
tory and fireworks of the back-numoer u
ster Unionist politicians is another. The
talk of armed resistance to Home Rule ls
the merest moonshine. Neither VIII the
Ulster men persist in any form OF passive
resistance TO Home Rule. Any resistance
would be not against the Parliament III
Dublin but against the Parliament IN Lon
don The imperial government retains
command Of the troops and also the con-
troll of the collection of taxes.
The old Ulster savagery against home
Rule. together with the threats OF blood
is based Oh the assumption that IN the
event Of trouble the troops and the con-
stabulary either would be quiescent or on
the side Of the ascendant party. condton
has arisen where the situation would De
The other way about. and rifles look less
pleasant when viewed from the barrel END
A. J. Balfour and Sir Edward Grey held
the stage at to-dey's debate on the Home
Rule Bill in the House Of Commons. me
former Premier showed little Of his Old
tine fire and his speech was reminiscent
Of many heard before.
no Promise Of Finally.
He conplained that the bill did not con-
tain even a germ Of fuai;y, and that Its
abolition would work great injury 10 the
representative institution Of England, while
~reariDg in Ireland an assembly which no
Irishn1an could regard with pride or re-
spect. The powers Of the Irish Parliament
would "a so hampered, he said, that good
men would refuse 10 serve In 1t. Every
successful federal system, he declared, had
leen built up on a desire OF the separate
psrts for a closer unity. but the govern
ment was pursuing on opposite course cut
ting I'D the United Kingdom and creating
fiscal division
Sir Edward Grey cOntended that the con-
stituton was becoming increasingly IN
workable and that devoution throughout
tho United Kingdom was necessary. The
,s.tuIness OF the Imperial Parliament could
NOT the Foreign Secretary added, be sacrl-
feed 10 the feelings of Ulster.
The Foreign Secretary admitted that the
settlernent provided In the bill was incom-
ulete in some respects. The presence OF
forty-two Irish members in the Imperial
parliament was an anomaly. but he did not
mind mat. because he believed that 1t
you,d urecipitate further arrangements
-,-;,jcb vbie not endangering Imperial
milk, would relieve the different parts OF
the United Kingdom.
- lister deded the solution the govern
f,ent proposed or made it Impossible some
other solution would have to be fonho,
Ubicb would relieve the overburoeheo
House Of Commons Of the present mo-
s,r,,s congestion OF business and put the
control Of Irish affairs In Irish HANDS
Essentially Land Question
Lord Charles Beresford in breezy
.r.ocb declared that the Irish question was
essentially a land question, and the only
~, - nacify ireland was to continue the
present land purchase system ana 40
away with the Lord Lieutenant anu Oh
that sham and rotten court.
The Right lion. hoi!d'u - -"".''N
son supported the BIZ, because II was the
arst step toward complete policy OF par
iamentary devolutiCn, and paved the way
for self-government In Scotland. Mr. Null
70 Ferguson, who represents Leith Burghs'
has been an ardent supporter OF devOIutioh'
Daniel u. Sheehan, representing MID
Cork, a labor advocate and Independent
Nationalist, who favors the policy OF con-
citation as applied 10 Irish politics APP
proved the principle Of the bill, but said II
placed too many restrictions on Irish imam
cial freedom. He maintained that the
Irish Parliament should be intrusted win
f,,m ...,,.or. ,,.ith reanect To the raihing OF