The Birmingham age-herald., 1912-10-15

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 Were you shocked at all over the mat ter?"
 Yes. was very much worried over it. Webber denied ever having any 'un- friendly feeling" against Rosenthal He admitted, however that he had "fallen out' with him about money matters. Persistent efforts to wiring from the witness an admission that he had any desire for the gamblers death proved fu- tile.
 After the recess webber testified he had been promised immunity by the dis trict attorney if at the trial 'I told the truth and if had not fired shot" He said he signed a stipulation to that eff feet
 Justice Golf refused to direct the dis trict attorney to produce the stipulation. Did you say to Jack Sullivan, I've promised Jack Rose s20O0 for him not to duplicate me?'" MT. Mcintyre continued. "No sir replied Webber.
 "Did you say to Jack Sullivan, We have got to frame up on Becker, the com missioner and the mayor in order to get cutr"
 "No, sir"
 Did you say to Jack Sullivan you better corroborate us or whitman will have you indicted for murder?
 NO. sir. l told him to tell the truth, ana mats ali.
 Did Not Embrace Rosenthal Reverting to the murder the attorney asked the witness If he had not put his arms around Rosenthals neck when he went to the Metropole to find out wheth- CT Rosenthal was there.
 q did not" Webber answered
 What did you say?"
 Hello Herman"
 ssTu friandlvs waV7f
 "Yes, sir"
 At the moment when you said, Hello, Herman you knew he was going to be murdered, didn't you2"
 ''Yes. sir''
 When you got back to your poker rooms what did you say?"
 'I said, Rosenthal is at the Metro pole.
 And when they all went out, you knew they were going out to murder Rosenthal?" Yes"
 You stayed there?"
 ''Yes' Taking up the meeting between Beck CT, Rose, Vallon and Schepps, at One Hundred and Twenty-fourth street and Seventh avenue MT. Mcintyre asked how the meeting was arranged.
 Rose told Schepps to meet me at my place." said the witness, and bring me up to see Becker, Schepps told me Becker wanted to see me-
 ''Is that all?'
 That's all remember"
 Did you know that Schepps was in the murder car the night of the mur- der?"
 Not until next day. I was told so"
 Did Schepps tell you that he was the paymaster of the murderers?"
 He did not
 Didn't you advance money to schepps to flee the jurisdiction?'
 q did not"
 Is Wealthy Man
 You are a man worth considerable money. aren't your"
 "A little bit" said the witness with a smile.
 q am told you are worth quarter of a million, Is that rightT
 Justice Golf excluded the question
 Did you ask a man named Droecher Sullivan and yourself at Forty-second street at 4 o'clock in the morning of the murder?'
 'I told him to tell the truth"
 Answer the question"
 q did"
 Would you tell a falsehood to get out of your present predictament?"
 MT whitman ObJeCted.
 Justice Golf overruled.
 T would not" answered the witness.
 Do you know Wall OFarrell, for mer policeman?"
 Yes"
 O'Farrell is now head of detective bureau employed by Becker's counsel.
 Becker wanted me to find out con- tinued the witness, If Wall O'Farrell was carrying water on both shoulders as Becker understood that O'Farrell had taken Rosenthal down to see Charles Hyde about Becker. He wanted me to find out where O'Farrell stood"
 Charles Hyde was formerly city chamberlain under Mayor Gaynor.
 Did you say to Sam Paul in the ante-room of the grand jury Becker lis innocent, but we've got to save our |selves?" continued MT. Mcintyre.
 No sir" Webber declared "Webber, are you not now committing perjury to save your own life?" asked Attorney Mcintyre, pointing his finger at the witness and speaking dramati- |cally. Objection to the question was sus- stained.
 Didn't you say in the presence of Jack Sullivan: My God, I can't stand thls much longer. How badly do they want Becker? We will give them Becker ]"
 This question also was stricken out.
 Witness Is Discharged
 You said your conscience was pricked when you went into this plot" said Mir. Moss on redirect examination. "If your conscience pricked you. why did you en- ter the plot?''
 Webber did not answer, for Justice Golf excluded the question and discharged the witness.
 Grant Crabtree, deputy clerk in charge of the fighting bureau of the police de- partment. the next witness. identified the papers containing Becker's signature, which had been submitted early In the day to William R. Sheehan.
 The papers consisted of memorandum relating to Rosenthal's gambling house. prepared by Becker. Included in the pa- pers was a memorandum labelled, "Rela- tive to Police Lieutenant Charles Beck CT receiving money for the protection of gamblers
 Attorney Mcintyre objected to the read ing of this document, but was not sus- tained. letter also was read descrlb- ing Rosenthars place and accusing Beck CT of partnership in the concern.
 The communication ended T won't sign my name because I fear for my life
 Crabtree also identified papers contain ing memoranda addressed to Mayor Gay nor, including a letter signed Henry Wal Hams" which was written March 27, 1912. and saying. 'I wish you would quietly investigate Police Lieutenant Beckers