New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-04-25

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should not ike to put more than fifty in a
nfeboat.'
contained only twentythree people when
lowercd," suggested Senator Smith. That
WIS not full capacity was it"'
well. he was not in charge of that boat.
vas hcY' replied Lowe.
If Oficer Lighttoler said that boats on
the port side were not loaded with more
,ssr thirty-five people because OF safety,
.nsse boats were not loaded TO their lull
tnacity, were they?'
atYen." answered Lowe. that is a mat
,ar Of personal judgment. Some men might
mink differently about what would be safe. >
All right. What became OF lifeboat No.
-"
IL vas lowered, and ] saw IL pull away.
senator Smith referred TO Third Oflcer
p,tran's testimony yesterday. in which he
said that there were thirty-five persons in
bfeboat No B. That being the case. he
asked Why Pitman could not have gone 10
tnA rescue OF the drowning, whose cries
he heard plainly. but did not heed.
wouldn't he have been able 20 accom-
,,odate thirty more people safely in that
ltfeboat?' demanded Senator Smith
mo. sir" said Lowe. Had he attempted
IS rescue those in the water he would have
endangered the lives Of those with him.
Sailors Not Bcatmen,
r want 10 say word about that dan
g4r" Lowe continued i heard Major
Pauoho7 say on the stand that the sailors
could not row Sailors and boatmen are
different Many sailors may be az sea for
Years and never go in a rowboat They are
dj44ren, callings That is the reason
prea, many Of the sailors could not row"
Lowe said he was net IN a position 70
o~Ier Who should 90 into the boats
Pr, YOU we're in a position 10 TELL Mr..
rsray 10 20 10 help
Yes. because he was interfering. He
vas interfering with me personally, and
wanted I'm 10 get away 80 1 could do
something
And he did,?
Yes, and ! did something.
Senator Smith asked II II were nov true
that the reason WY the boats were not
prooerly loaded was because the crew vas
no. able 20 row The witness denied this.
VIVA. was the dill for at Southamp-
tom" asked the chairman.
It was for the Board OF Trade"
There were eight men 10 a boat then.
uhtre were these men when the emer-
sency arose They were all carsmen. Where
were they when you were loading lifeboat
70 50"
You must remember, sir. We we're II
barber, end we had the pick OF the men.
a. the time OF the collision the men went
soRr with the bosun TO clear away the
gangway doors 70 make way for the load
ns
DID that take skilled men, ANY one
could have done that, ard yet skilled men
we're sent below when they were needed for
tie loading ard lowering Of the Il eb- ats.
Is that III: impression you want 10 leave
nth this committed"
Senator Smith then sought TO discover
whether any men women or children had
been refused admission 10 the boats or
we're put out CT the boats after they had
got N. The otlcer said no one was refused,
and declared the only confusion was by the
passengers interfering with the lowering
gear. Everything was quiet and orderly
aboard. he SAID
a~s First Come, First Served.
With everything quiet and orderly. who
selected the people TO get into these ooats7"
There was no such thing as selecting
First, We took the women and children.
than others as they came There was
procession at both ends Ct the boat, in little
knots they were-little crowds"
AS you passed the women into The
boats, vha, did you say?'
4 simply shouted: Women and children
frst' Men stand back"
Was there any discrimination as 70
class"
None, whatever
How about stew rdesses
II made no difference who, women and
children. That was all"
Lowe said that First Officer Murdoch gave
the order for lowering hfeboats Nos. and
: Murdoch was In charge.
Was Mr. lsnav there
Yes, he was; he was right alongside OF
ne l didn't know it was Mr.. Ismsy then.
but know now. It was the same man
No 5 But pr took hold and was helping
sfterward I could mis- face in the
glare Of The rockets. aud he aided in lower
inC boat ~
Senator S';''.1 ought vanlv to learn the
number of women IN iifehoat No. 8. The
witness said ice thought The men and women
were cout equally divided. out he knew
none ot their names. He finally ventured
the belief that the boat contained about
Why Weren't there more" asked the
We couldn't find any one who wanted to
20 They seemed not to care to get into
the boats ~ -..
No Effort to Direct Passengers.
The witness said that all were free
20 wander wherever they pleased. and that
there was no effort made by the officers or
crew either to restrain or direct the pas
sengcrs.
DID You see any women there asked
Senator Smith
Certainly l saw women, hut l did not
have tine 70 20 and drag them away. They
didn't respond TO our calls
Lowe said that after he had lowered
three boats on the starboard side he walked
across the deck and met the sixth officer,
NJ. MOODY
I'VE filled nfeboats u. - and Is on that
side" said Lowe. and filled them with
women and children. There vas one man
passenger in Ian Italian-and he sneaked
in he was sort Of dressed like woman
He had a shawl over his head and / didn't
find him out until IL was too late. went
In that boat myself. There were nifty
eight persons n It when we left the davits."
Lowe told Of teing five OF the lfeboats
together, transferring the passengers from
his boat and then calling for volunteers to
row back 70 the wreck
1--WE rowed hack and around the wreck