New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-27

Dr. Evans show that you were making an
effort TO save the young womanhood OF
America" ne was asked.
No. not at ALL" Thaw replied.
Mr.. Jerome pressed the witness for his
opinion as to whether he believed all these
stories about White and young girls TO be
true. and Thaw said nc would decline TO
answer any more questions along that linz.
"Why?" asked Mr.. Jerome
Because it is disgusting said Thaw
Thaw said he thought II was unjust 10
bring up all these things about White, who
was dead
But YOU killed that man, didn't YOU?
asked Mr.. Jerome
Mr.. Shearn bobbed up with an objection.
The court promptly suppressed him.
That is very competent said Justice
Keogh 1t is very essential that he
should be allowed 10 answer such ques-
tons. That is what l am here for
Thaw murmured: Yes"
rs II your idea that | am asking these
questions because I like to-" asked Mr..
Jerome.
1T appears so. Mr. Jerome" was Thaws
reply.
In answer to further questions Thaw said
he did not believe that it had been Mr..
Jeromes original intention 10 railroad him
to an asylum without trial in order to
cover up the inquites Of Stanford White.
Thaw said. however, that Jerome was pref
udiced and unfair at the present time.
What do you think ! am doing this
for" snapped Mr. Jerome.
May be to show OFF" Thaw suggested.
And beyond that. what" asked Mr..
Jerome
That may be all. for all I know" Thaw
replied
Reading from the pamphlet that Mrs.
Thaw. the witnesses mother, had published
and distributed after the trials. in which
she referred to Mr. Jerome as "a malevo-
know If Thaw concurred in his mothers
views
Il am told that many people Of good
judgment would concur in those views"
said Thaw. Personally I may be wrong
but have my doubts about it
Referring to one Of Thaws memoranda in
which he had said that II his act in killing
White was called murder" De Lancey
Nicoll and other officials Of the Society for
the Prevention Of Cruelty 10 Children
would be accessories before the fact, Mr..
Jerome asked
But II was murder, wasn't it,
y think IT is not permitted 10 use the
term murder after a man has been &C
quilted" was Thaw's reply.
IF you shot man with the intention
H.,
it," asked Mr.. Jerome.
1t would if the jury said so, and It
would not be If they did not say so" Thaw
replied. NAV. .,.s , NJ
Jerome asked him about the time he took
lessons in hypnotism. Jerome tntimated
that one Of the hypnotists had called at
Thaw's rooms and had misconducted him
self.
Why DO you get so excited when /
speak OF this man Minick?" asked counsel
1T is not any misconduct Of his that eX-
cites me ! am not excited But II Is your
misconduct" Thaw replied
Denies Susan MerriI's Story.
Thaw denied that he was expelled from
Harvard for immoral practices. He denied
that he had ever whipped young girls In
the house of Susan Merrill. as she testi-
fed. He declared that her notebook in
which she purported 10 have written an
account Of such actions on Thaw's part was
a fake from beginning to end. At this point
Thaw leaned over threateningy toward
Jerome and said
Mr.. Jerome, you know that book 10 an
entire falsehood from beginning TO end, and
I charge you or some Of your friends with
fabricating the whole thing"
Thaw admitted, however. that he had re-
ceived letters at the Merrill womans house
under assumed names.
Thaw explained the note he had made on
one memorandum which read XIII Bed
ford" CHS valet and Shoot Mckenzie"
(May Mckenzie the actress by saying that
they had been very roughly handled when
they were summoned 10 the District At
torney's Office TO make statements before his
trial
Bedford he said MS lawyers told him,
had been confined in the District Attorneys
office two or three days. though he was
quite sick at the time. and the treatment
he had received had contributed to his
death later. he believed. May Mckenzie
and his lawyers had told him that she had
been threatened by one Of Jerome's assist
ANS anu q revolver Hlldplfu IllItc NlIlieb iii
her face when she refused to make state
ment, he said.
Thaw would not admit that he had hae
some social aspirations If London and had
designated Mrs. Arthur Paget and other
well known social leaders in London as
benefciaries under his will purely because
they held high social positions and not be-
cause he knew them at all well
Isn't Mrs. Paget the woman you did
some shopping for in Paris?" asked Mr..
Jerome
L may have" said Thaw. but I also
did some shopping for two cousins Of yours
Lady Randolph Churchill and Mrs. Des-
bey-who were going 10 the Duchess Of
Devonshire's fancy dress bail I think
both OF them would be ashamed Of you
now"
Mr. Jerome handed Thaw a memorandum
he had made about various members OF his
family and his lawyers and asked him 10
explain IT, Thaw said he would, but II
would take some tine. Justice Keogh told
him TO go ahead. and he occupied twenty
two minutes explaining all his notes in de-
tail
Mr.. Jerome excused him after that and
court adjourned until to-day
PATROLMAN KILLS HIMSELF