The Barre daily times. (Barre, Vt.) 1897-1959, 1912-12-02
BURNS TELLS
OF PURSUIT
After Times Dynamiters for
Months
CONVERSATION WITH R0CKlN.
Says Mechanical Implicated Michael
Young in His Confession Regard
ing the Springfield
Explosion.
CONVERSATION WITH R0CKIN.

indianapolis, Dec. 2.-William J
Burns story of his pursuit of the Nc
Namaras and Ortie Il. McManigal afte
the Los Angeles Times explosion wa
told by him ut the dynamite conspir
acy' trial Saturday, At the time Of The
explosion on October l. 1910, he said, he
was on train from San Francisco tt
Los Angeles and the next day he, as de-
tective, was employed by Mayor Alex.
ander of Los Angeles to run down the
dynamiters. He remained ON the Pacific
coast until the latter part OF December
when he returned to Chicago. In Chi.
cago. he said, he met Herbert S. FIockin
now secretary of the ironwarkcrs' union.
Hockin is accused by the government of
having betrayed the dynamters while he
himself was a dynamiter.
Mr., Burns in substance testified:
"Hoekin told me he would not have met
me if it were not for the fact that the
dynamiters We're going to do a lot Of
killing. He said John j. Mcnamara,
then secretary of the union, had em-
ployed James b. Mcnamara and Me-
sibe to bring about the result he hoped
for told Hockin he was late with his
information as | knew all the facts al
ready. Then | asked him where he got
his information that people on the Pa
cifc coast were going to blow me up
"He said Olaf A. Tveitmoe OF San
Francisco was looking after the plot.
told him believed Tyeitmoe would do it
ii he had chance, for | had opposed
Tyeitmoe in the San Francisco graft in
vestigation and | had sent my son, Ray
mond, to Minnesota to get a photograph
OF Tveitmoe in the penitentiary uniform,
and had it published in San Francisco.
asked Hockin if it wasn't true that
every member of the ironworkers' execu-
tive board knew of the explosion. He
said neither they nor President Frank
M. Ryan knew what John j. did, except
perhaps Eugene A. Clancy of San Fran
cisco. told him it was not possible for
money to be appropriated every month
for Mcnamara without Others higher up
knowing Of it. / told Hockin proposed
to get the men high up | didn't want
merely local men. He said John j. was
the man | wanted.
Il offered to pay Hockin to come into
my employ, but he std he would accept
only his expenses. | told him at that
time Los Angeles had ceased to pay me
and now | had not only to fight dyna-
miters, but also a class of men opposed to
civic decency in San Francisco. ! told /
him on the day after the Los Angeles /
explosion had informed Mayor Alexan-
der that John j. Mcnamara and Tveit- |
moe were behind the explosion. / inn +
pressed him with the fact that / didn't /
want to arrest John j. and James b.,
and depended on their making confess
;ions and | was afraid to watch J. J. at I
Indianapolis too much, as they might
earn of it and the whole thing blow up
Questioned by Senator j. w Kern for
he defense about securing McManigaFs +
irst confession in Chicago soon after
he arrests, Burns was asked: 'Did Me-
Ianigal implicate al one besides the
dcNamaras?"
"He mentioned only Michael J. Young
# Boston in connection with the explo-
ion at Springfield, and he implicated !
1ockin as having procured nitroglyceriu
nd as having employed him to blow up
building in Detroit" Burns said !
'veitmoe was behind plot to kill him !
Burnsl, because OF Burns activity in {
he San Francisco graft investigation !
nd because Burns had procured the pho I
ograph of Tveitmoe dressed in prison /
lothes and had published it. District /
attorney Miller stated that only one /
lore witness for the government viii be
allied tomorrow, and then the govern
lent will rest its case.
Tlfpata of death for faIlino about
losions were related to Mrs. Alta NJ.
awkins. Mrs. Hawkins, attended by a
nrse and suffering from injuries re-
lived in a recent shooting, was carried
ito court on a cot. A few days before
,ur explosions caused q loss OF SIS
10 on the property of Albert Won {
preckelsen in indianapolis in 1900,
RS. Hawkins testified she was told by {
rnest G.. w. Basey, an ironworkers' {
Mon official, that something was goiug /
happen" on jobs where nonunion .
orkmen We're employed. Gle told me !
look in the newspapers the next day I
ID read about il, )" said Mrs. Hawkins. :
n the papers | saw nothing. Then he I
Id me it didn't come off that night but (
watch the next night. | did, and
,out midnight heard the explosion. o
lsey called me up on the telephone and j,
Id me | must keep my mouth shut. He :
id If | didn't | would be killed." The
tness said she was shot several weeks
o while hunting.
Raymond J. Burns, who said he knew
e identity of the Los Angeles Times A
five months before the arrest. r
ID yesterday of more conversations he n
id be had with Herbert S. Hoekin, in :
ted secretary of the ironworkers' I
ion. Burns described Hockin as I
py" within the ranks Of the union Of .
ials. 1