The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1912-11-23
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blue uniform Of the United States wher
foes threatened.
X doubt II any man who had beer
Presiden, would take the pension Ar
Curtis remarked in discussing the Car
negie proposal But IL Mr.. Carnegie
tenn. IL might be suggested that he ;urr
his attention to the veteran govern
nent clerks who had outgrown thelI
usefulness in the service. II the gov
eminent 10 not going to care for them
AS it should. NJ. CSrnegie might turn
his attention TO Them
suxGestioa Of Wsrks-
Senator John u. Works. Of California
Progressive Republican. had still an
other suggestion TO make in connection
with the proposed presidential pension
Mr.. Carnegie's proposal TO give
pension to ex-Pressden;s might be all
right" he said. provided some special
condition was attached TO tine gift
tina, the recipient would refrain from
participation in politics"
In the general discussion IF the pro-
posal heard around the Capitol there
seemed to be q general consensus OF
opinion that no ex-President would
accep. the proposed pension
Senator Culbers On. for several years
Democratic leader Of the Senate. de-
cla,ed that IL would be .'undemccratic
for a former chief executive to accept
q pension from q private fund Sena-
tor Hoke smith. Of Georgia. who was
q member Of President Clevelands CAB
met, declared that at was a piece OF
impudence on his tMr. Carnegies) part
to suggest such a thing. and IL Is a
reflection on the people OF the United
States. that it should even be consid-
cred"
Il don't see any good to come to the
ne ,ple Of the United States from such
\ thing" remarked Senator Thomas p.
Gore. Democrat. OF Oklahoma Gro
yer Cleveland. to my mind. put u right
when he said that all there was TO
do for ex-Pr~sidents was to treat them
lust As We would any good citizen 1
d. not think that Mr.. Carnegie's pen
ston will reflect any credit on our ex-
Presidents, and I am nos sure that an
ex-Pres:dent who would accept SUCH
n penston would receive or be entitled
Z, the continued respect Of the people
Of the United States The idea OF CIV
ing a pensi On 20 the widows OF the
ex-Preeidents. to secure 20 the country
the beneat OF their knowledge and ex-
p~rience in public affairs. Is possibly
. Joke. but not q very good one
Nay Scarf Msveoest.
I, WAS the opinion OF several mem
mrs AZ Congress who talked OF the
Carneeie proposal that IL would start
n stronx movement to have Congress
make some provision At the coming
eessaon for a pension for ex-PresidentS
A retired c,mmanders-tn-ch!ef OF the
army and navy.
In this connection was also recalled
n bill introduced in the Sixty-hrst Con-
Uress By senator MoCumber. OF North
Dakota. chairman Of the Senate ZEN
sions Committee. proposing pension
~ Sic. zoe a year to former Presidents
ana s.. eee q year to widows OF former
Presidents.
This proposition was defeated. but
The the Senate Committee on Pensions
reported favOrably in its place bill
Drov;dsng q pension Of $1,000 year
each for Mrs. Harrison and Mrs. Cieve-
hand. widows of former Presidents.
That proposition passed the Senate
April 5. 1910.
I, was shown. In arguments support
ing that bill. tina; there was well
HSta bliShed precNoeNt TOT Tue kSAutihe
ar pensions to the widows OF ex-Prest-
A~nss. The widow Of President VIII
liam Henry Harrison was voted Ga
Coo: tha; being the FIRST grant o. money
so n former Presidents widow.
The widow OF President james n.
Polk vas given . pension % 5000
wear. and similar provision was made
Sor the widows Of PrPsdent Joan Ty-
her. President Abraham Lincoln. Presi-
1ens 4. $. Grant. President James A.
oarneid and President Mckinney
Geese - OVVSseeesO.
rhe cppcsssion 70 the proposition "a
ran, s,ms,ar pensions TO Mrs Cleve-
And ana MS Harrison was largely on
ehe declaration that " Wss not shown
eAey we're IN need Of such financial a.
$1,000 from Uncle sam.
SascV NcCamber submstfed the
49, OF the minority. arguing IN favor
n q esnerai btu psovt6sne . pension
g. Scymee Presidents. IN the Hight o.
SAs Carnegie propossi msDoeTS % Coz
9rpa are turning % those views ana
VuospcuessRg then.
che President % she UaaeeA oeseea"
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