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DOMESTIC SITUATIONS WANTED.
female

SECOND COOK-Neat, tall. excellent Swedish
girl good plain cook, understands her Work
thoroughly; best references $50 OsSeIDers
Agency. 40 Lexington ave. lei. lOo9 flaLd.
TWO GIRLs.-Cook, $685. waitress, sSO; both
FIRST class servants and. good women; three
years last place; country preferred. Miss
shea's Agency, East aga st. -
TWO NEUTRALITY-SUSPICIOUS.: cook. $50; and
chambermaid and waitress, So; would ike
to 20 together; excellent references Scandl-
nayian Agency, 127 Lexington ave. TEL oi'A
Plaza.
TWO ENGLISH GIRLS.-CooK and chamber
maid-watress. together or separate; years
excellent references; city or country; S3O-S2
Industrial Association Agency II West 42d ST.
Phone, 52lO Bryant -
VISITING HOUSEKEEPER-Goo caterer and
manager: excellent references Miss Margaret
Smiths Agency, 70 West i2d 81. Phone, JOB
Bryant
WAsHING.-A colored woman wishes family
washing by week OF DOZEN terms rea sonaole
1876 West 1920 st. Phone 1854 Morningslde
WAITRESS -Norwegian tall, nice appear
ing; years reference; $50. Criterion
Agency, 34l Columbus ave. t18th st).. Tel
siGS schuyler. - -
WAITREss-M Makes all salads understands
serving wines: can carve, excellent refer
ences: prefers country place. X. g., Miss Mar
garet Smiths Agency, 25 West 42d st. Phone
5O39 Bryant.
WAITRESS PARLORMAID.--Ne tall, first
class swedish girl: excellent waitress. best
OF references, friend chamOermaid-sea mstress;
separate Osterbergs Agency 7l6 Lexington
ave Tel. 1865 Plaza. =
WAITRESS or lady's maid first class refer
enCes from New York society. tall, fine girl;
s3O-S35. Mrs. Helga Hoyings Agency 233
LenoX ave. Tel, li3 Morningside
WAITRESS or paror maid. competent young
girl: best references: city or country wages
S25-s3O Call at Lang & Boecherer Co. Agen-
cy. 1851 West AID St
ESS-PARLORMAID, Scotch. Protest
ant: thoroughly experienced; friend nurse
children, two years up, sew best references;
$685. 25. Bureau Domestic Needs agency,
726 Lexington ave.
WAITRESS, VERY neat, young, north OF Ire
land girl: understands salads care OF silver
and pantry: S2J; references. Domestic Ex-
change agency. 1924 Columbus ave. Schuy-
,er 9l36.
WAITRESS. English Protestant; assist cham
bcrwork; very capable; excellent references.
Mrs. Golfers Agency. 457 ith ave. 81 ST st.
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EXCURSIONS.

CAIJFORNTA--Winter Tours leave fire.
ouentlv November to March, Booklets
RAYMOND whItcarb Co.. 225 9Th Ave. y. Y;
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ROOM AND BOARD DIRECTORY
FURNISHED ROOMS.
FREE
ROOM AND BOARD REGISTER

The Room and Board Register
Of The New-York Tribune con-
tains a list of the better furnished
rooms and board offered in New
York.
Those seeking rooms are in
vited to consult the Register and
obtain a list free Of charge. 800
Tribune Building. Telephone
Beekman 5000.
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BUSINESS CHANCES.

A MANUFACTURING COMPANY, with ST.
roo 600 capItal, would like 20 manufacture
ana sell In connection with present line some
.peclaIt-, hardware preferred We must have
control OF the business. Have ever 20 traN-
eIIins statesmen on the road. Al references as
10 capital and business standing Will be given
10 the right party. The reason for this adver-
usement Ii that our present force OF statesmen
can handle the extra business. None but re-
sponslble parties need reply. S. ". T., Box :,
Tribune once
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work WANTED.
Male.

CHAUFFEUR. - Sober. experienced Finnish
man; fine references: highly recommended.
very trustworthy and reliable. S4j-S50 month.
Mrs Helsa Hoving's Agency. 233 LenoH ave.
Tel l13--Morningsde.
CHAUFFEUR SO month. board. lodging.
Miss Morrows, largest. best qualified en-
% Jynent agency in America III Lexington
ave. cor 5Sth ST No branch agency.
VACUUM CLEANING. BY hour or day go;
small apartment 81: satisfaction guaranteed.
Oyama 1903 West 101st ct 4522-Riyerside.
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GOVERN ESS-French, lately arrived, teaches
piano, German: excellent references; city
or country O., Miss Fitzgerald's bureau.
900 9th ave. entrance 42d st.
GOVERNESs Visiting governess very, sue
. cessful with backward children. Address,
Miss L. Richmond. IL Irving Place.
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CARPET CLEANING.
ANTIQUES.

ASsIiQUEs- Second hand furniture bought
ps,sa T. Creaner. 9le 9Th ave. Phone
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Female

oN-ATTENDANT.-You woman,
educated, musical, as companion TO elderly
semi-invalid lady living in Stamford or
Greenwich; references address L. ", Box
Ia rlnlann Conn.
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GOING TO ALBANY OR TRONy Take the
CITIZENS LINE or the PEOPLES LINZ
steamers. Phone Spring 0400. y
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WEST sIDE-Belcw Tooth street.

SHWfSr ST. sS2 90 TEsT6NE VIZ FSB
ROOM; ALL CONVENIENCES: GENTLE
MENi SUBWAY; REFERENCES. RICH
18th ST, $50 WEST -PARLOR AND
BEDRoCM- SUITABLE ONE OR TWO
GENTLEMEN.
ADD ST. 113 WEsT,--Desirable furnished
rooms to let.
18TH ST. 235 wEsT.-singIe and double
rooms running water. private BATH
phone: all conveniences.
I'D ST. l7e WEST. -PARLoR FLOOR;
LARGE AND SMALL ROOMS; NEWLY
pEGoRATED AND FURNISHED; EXCEL,
ADJOINING; TELEPHONE, 1850 COL.
18TH ST, 100 WEsT-NICBLY FUR
NIsHED LARGE ROOM; sCRUPUL0Us-
LY CLEAN; GENTLEMEN PREFERRED.
S1sT ST. zoe wEsT-Attractiye outside
looms. convenient to IL and subway; one
fight; telephone references exchanged. cox.
ITO WEST SGD ST
S23. OO-Gentlemen elegant suite; private
Near 81" station.
S5TH ST, Il WEST.-Furnished rooms, private
house; best location; moderate prices. Tele-
phone. References.
S5TH ST, 2O5 WEST.-Large, light. heated
room; big closets; running water; telephone;
gentleman. WINTERS.
2O4 WEST s6TH ST
Room and board In fine private family;
highest references required subway, IL
station. DRUFNER.
STTH ST, Sl9 WEST.-Handsome large, also
temen.
SSTH ST. lOi WEST.-Front room: running
water, other room; board optional; refer
enees; refinement. COLEMAN.
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SEWORKER.-Young Finnish girl; eN-
cclIent cook, plain laundrcss; good TeteI-
! ences. sos Mynttnen's Agency. 2lOI oth
| ave Tel 1905 Harlem
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DOMESTIC SITUATIONS WANTED.
Female.

COOK-LAUNDRESS $500; chambermald-
waitress t$25I. two Swedish girls; prefer
ably together. Mynttinen's Agency 2lOI 9th
ave Tel IOO5-IIarlen
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S95: neat young gin. personal references
Inquire Mathcwson Agency, SlS 9th ave. Tel
3TS BRYANT
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HOUSEK EEPER.-Carable American woman
working housekeeper for alnit lsinrrsi reT-
crence Mrs NJ Clarke. Port Richmond I. u
staten Island.
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DOMESTIC SITUATIONS WANTED.
Male.

GARDENER. Young Frenchman; speaks Eng
list: two years reference from last place;
$50 Mime. Carnellos Agency. lO3 West 4Zd ST.
Tel 6677-Bryant
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SECOND COOK-Neat, tall, excellent Swedish
gin: good plain cook, understands her work
thoroushy; best references; $50 OsterberB
Agency II6 Lexington ave. Tel. 1865 Plaza.
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| EWORK.-Neat. experienced. renaDle
colorcd girl good cook first class refer
| .nres. sos Criterion Agency, 341 Columbus
ave f7Gth ST. Tel S46S schuyler.
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! SEWORKER--Good, strong young FIN
nlgh girl, general houseworker, good pam
! cook: SOS Mynttinen's Agency, 2lO7 9th ave
! 7 el 1OOE Harlem
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DRESSNA KER.-Competent: makes and re-
models; children's a speciality Juliet, 12s
East 18th St Tel 40s 6tuyvesant
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.YpsWRIrlNo AND rYpeWRIrER

nor VISIBLE. 10 Nassau ct Catalogue
-s-s,,-a-ergooo. RenninStons divers, Smiths.
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TWO ENGLISH GIRLS.-CooK and chamber
maid.waitress. together or separate; years
excellent references; city or country. $50 ~.
Industrial Association Agency. II West i2d ST.
Phone 800 Bryant.
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WEST sIDE-Above leOth Street.

81 5O-ll2TH ST. 257 'wEsT-Neat single
room; brass bed; all conyenences, BIXBY.
f4ESs.-l0lST ST. 205 WEST.
\ ROOMS, SINGLE, DOUBLE; ELECTRlC-
lTY, GAS; MAID SERVICE AND TELE-
iPHOND; ELEVATOR DAY AND NIGHT;
KITCHEN PRIVILEGES If DESIRED;
KITCHENS on EVERY FLOOR. THD LUD-
.lNGTQN.. PHONE 1893 RIVERSIDE.
103D ST, l2S EST.-BEAUTIFULLY FUR
. NISHED. LARGE FRONT ROOMS IN
PRIVATE HOUSE. IDEALLY LOCATED,
NEAR SUBWAY AND ELEVATED EVERY
CONVENIENCE: $3.50, $3.50. --
S5II06TH ST, OF WEST. -HANDsOME
LARGE FRONT ROOM; ADJOINING
BACK 'PARLOR $3.50; TELEPHONE,
KALLAGE.
10TH ST. near Riverside and subway =
Large front room: gentlemen. Phone 3598
Morningside, Apartment "a
PATH ST. 534 WEST.-i.arge, small rooms;
all conveniences; bath; telephone; elevator;
reasonable. COOK.
10Th ST. 24G WEST.-Two Independent
rooms; kitchenette: elevators; private
family; references Apartment 30.
EAST SIDF-Beiow Tooth Street
FULLY EQUIPPED DENTAL OFF1CD; part
time; Bath st, Vanderbilt Hotel. 3O3s
Madison Square
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UOTSEWORKER.- -swedis1. s25; good cook
and laundress: has three years reference
from last place Larson's Agency ~ East
1osth st Tel 42S3 Harlem.
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manager: excellent references. Miss Margaret
Smith Agency, 70 West 42d ST. Phone, 3039
Bryant
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COOk-First class Swedish cook: best ref
eronces from New York families: wages
$40 Jussla Agency, $50 Lexington ave. Tel.
Devils Lake weekly world. (Devils Lake, N.D.) 1911-1914, 1912-04-12
CROP CONDITIONS.

The farmers say the soil conditions
this spring are nearly perfect. The
top soil is well pulverized and there
seems ODE ample moisture underneath.
Of course hot weather and high winds
will cause a great deal of evaporation,
but the seed bed is good and conditions
very favorable to early termination of
the grain.
Many farmers are taking extra pre-.
cautions this year to disc and drag the
land SO there will be mulch on ton
which will assist in the retention of the
moisture to a great degree.
In some parts Of the state last year
the threshing was so delayed that fall
blowing was not as general as in other
seasons-but in the greater part of
North Dakota the amount was in ex.
cess of the average last year. This
make sit possible for quick seeding
this season.
There is another encouraging fea.
ture from the farmer g standpoint. An
unusual amount Of winter wheat and
winter rye was seeded in the eastern
part of the state last fall. The crop is
generally good and with the present
favorable conditions both crops seem
most likely to grow rapidly and ma
ture reasonably good yields. - Fargo
Forum.
Devils Lake weekly world. (Devils Lake, N.D.) 1911-1914, 1912-04-12
MILWAUKEE'S TRIAL.

Milwaukee gave socialism fair and
honest trial. 1t gave the theories of
Berger and seidel everything that
could be asked. It wanted no more
of it. Yet the people and taxpayers
of Milwaukee, recognizing the spirit
of unrest that abounds in Milwaukee
and it's firm grip upon the people, took
no chances. Republicans forgot to be
republicans. Democrats ignored their
party allegiance, and the strong ele.
ment Of the two parties united for the
sake of Milwaukee. The result was the
return Of the city to fixed principles
of business and civic progress. In the
future the public expenditures will be
made by men more experienced in bus.
mess principles, and the burden of the
taxpayer, increased by the fair test of
Socialism, but a good business invest.
ment, should be lessened. Equitable
distribution of taxes, lower demand
upon the property owners as their
share of the tolls spent for public wei.
fare and many other things had been
promised with the socialistic success
two years ago. That the benefits prom.
Used were not Forthcoming was not due
to lack of sincerity Of those who
were given control of municipal affairs
It was merely the lack of business ex
perience, and Milwaukee has profted
by what she will avoid in the future.
Devils Lake weekly world. (Devils Lake, N.D.) 1911-1914, 1912-04-12
A GOOD WORK.

The matter of making good roads in
Ramsey county has at last been reach
ed by scientific method under the
able direction of G. o. Russell, who has
been given every possible assistance,
including the assistance which he re.
ceived from the county commissioners,
who were quick in grasping the ad-
vantages of road building, such as is
being promoted by Mr.. Russell, in the
securing Of a traction engine and keep
ing the big machine continually on the
roads leading to Devils Lake, in time
making circuit of the entire county.
The next year will see a great i'm.
provement in the county roads if Mr..
Russell's plans do not miscarry. It is
certain that the traction engine and
drags will do the work, for at the
time Of the Helena tour when the roads
were gone over in a hurry for the au-
tomobilists, Ramsey county was sue
cessful in securing the prize for the
best stretch of road of the several
counties which the autoists passed
through. ~
The money appropriated by the COM
missioners comes from the state auto
mobile tax fund paid the county and
in no better way could the money be
expended and do the proper amount
of good. The initiative taken in Ram
sey county might be an example for
other counties to pattern after, as all
receive portion of this fund which
could be appropriated in the same man
ner as the Ramsey county commission.
ers deemed advisable. ~
Devils Lake weekly world. (Devils Lake, N.D.) 1911-1914, 1912-04-12

along the south line of his farm. In
addition to the protection to the crops
the trees would have value for shade
purposes and also fuel in time.
1t would be one method of reforesta.
ton Of North Dakota. The plan is be.
ing adopted in Europe and in some of
the eastern states of this country.
Trees are planted along the roadsides
for ornament and for fuel. The trees
would add greatly to the value of the
farms from a pleasure standpoint. 1t
would be movement in the interests
of posterity.
Not only should trees be planted
along section lines and roadways but
in school and church yards, around
farm buildings, along the city resi-
dence streets and in the prospective
parks.
Every tree that is planted in North
Dakota will add to the pleasure of
both the present and future residents
of the state. 1t will be something of
value to posterity.-Fargo Forum.
Devils Lake weekly world. (Devils Lake, N.D.) 1911-1914, 1912-04-12
THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS

The COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
The prosperity of Ramsey county is
better than it ever has been. The
board of county commissioners now
representing the county are responsible
in large measure for this. The men
on the board represent conservatism
and the conservation of funds in Tam
sey county by the board is as good as
in any other county in the state.
The World is not saying this on the
eve of an election. It is not politics
that prompts the word, but the fact
tia: the present board has been mis-.
represented, is the reason for the state
Eent. Ramsey county has in major.
ity of cases been blessed with good
board of county commissioners, and the
present board in comparison is ranked
with the best that represents other
counties.
Ramsey county during the past week
has let the contract for bridges at a
price hundreds of dollars less than on
former occasions. To secure good and
competent bidders and make comrc.
tition among the array Of bidders such
as appeared here to bid on bridges has
been the object Of the board, hence the
best results were obtained, the county
saved money.
This is only one instance favorable
to the commissioners at the session just
closed. The matter Of erecting new
vault and also applying the auto tax
fund to good roads, the commissioners
must be congratulated upon; it is carv.
ing for them record that will mark
an epoch in history. Let the good work
60 on and not be halted by the prongs
of the "knocker" who hates himself
enough to keep off the main streets.
Devils Lake weekly world. (Devils Lake, N.D.) 1911-1914, 1912-04-12

county commissioners have appropriat-
ed $3.50 and the Devils Lake Commerc-
ial club has raised like amount to be
used in the purchase, and we presume
the operation of traction engine. The
engine will be used in road work such
as hauling gravel and possibly grading
where necessary.
But the important part is that it
will be used to drag the roads of the
entire county so far as it is practical
or possible to do. Last year the Times
discussed at some length the advisable
ity of employing man and team in
each county for the same uprpose. The
drag in this state is the solution of
the good roads problem, no matter
what the highbrows may preach. The
operation of dragging serves the pur-
pose Of keeping the surface smooth
and forming a compact layer that be-
comes more impervious to water than
the uneven surface. And where wat
or is kept out of the body of the road
bed, traffic does little damage in the
way of cutting ruts. These, in brief,
are the advantages derived from the
drag.
The first cost of the Ramsey county
scheme is probably greater than the
one Of employing a team, but the oper-
ating expense will be less and the ap-
paratus will be the property of the
county. On the whole the engine
scheme is the better one.
The result of the plan will be to
give Ramsey county an ideal system of
roads. The farmers will profit because
they will be able to haul their crops
to market with far less expense be-
cause Of the larger load possible to be
drawn by the same horse power and the
less wear on both wagons and teams.
The merchant in every town and city
having good roads will profit because
of the better facilities for reaching
the city. A farmer can add a few
miles to the distance and save money
over the shorte rroute on bad roads.
The advantages of town having
doog roads leading to it over a competi-
tor having poor roads are enough to
pay for the extra expense of construct
ing. In Ramsey county the expenses
seem to have been equitably divided.
The Ramsey county plan will be-
come, we believe, sort of good roads
slogan-a system of operation-that
will extend wherever the split log drag
is used. The county commissioners,
the Commercial club and the citizens
generally are to be congratulated
Grand Forks Times.
Devils Lake weekly world. (Devils Lake, N.D.) 1911-1914, 1912-04-12
L,FOLLETTE FORGOTTEN.

L'FOLLETTE FORGOTTEN.
With Roosevelt's victory in Illinois
and Taft's victory in New York, the
chances Of LaFollette with his few del
egates from Wisconsin and the North
Dakotaten are somewhat on the glim-
mering order. OF course the campaign
for q progressive Of the Roosevelt
stamp-one who could win-would not
do for North Dakota. The rpogressives
in this state progress so fast that they
coul not see that vote for LaFollette
was a voc for a man who had no
chance. Since Illinois and New York
has been heard from, LaF'ollete, Wis.
consin and North Dakota are forgotten,
and all the tables that have been pre-
pared showing the comparative
strength of the candidates, must now
be remodelled, since all have been
shattered.
Devils Lake weekly world. (Devils Lake, N.D.) 1911-1914, 1912-04-12
THE HORSE SHOW.

The horse show is here, and it is a
good thing. It proves much for Ram
sey county and for the Lake Region.
It inspires confidence in the progress
CT the community. Fifteen years ago
it would have been difficult to find
such splendid stock in any portion of
the Northwest. Today the conditions
are different, and while other sections
have not gone as far as we have in the
production Of fine stock you will find
there such marked improvement that
will tell you that North Dakota is tax
ing high place among the producers
of horses and cattle that go far toward
making better farms and better farm
ers. .
The farmer. who makes the investi.
cation ascertains that it costs but lit.
tie more to raise good stock than scrub
stock. The first start is the big thing.
Get busy and let no year pass but that
there is an improvement in the quality
if not the quantity OF the stock found
On your farm. Good stock begets the
confidence of your neighbor and your
banker. The business man likes to do
business with man who not only
raises good stock, but who takes care
Of that stock and makes it present the
best appearance. The stranger who
comes within our gates today gets a
new idea Of the Lake Region. He sees
the prosperity am. plenty that is to be
ours, and he goes away and tells others
that the Lake Region is the one great
section where farmers are farming
right and that stock raising is per
manent feature Tor the enrichment OF
the people.
Devils Lake weekly world. (Devils Lake, N.D.) 1911-1914, 1912-04-12
WANTS TO BASK AGAIN IN THE
SUNSHINE,

"The Journal Bloom Gang" wrote
to the County Board to tell what
"bad, naughty boy" Bice is just be
cause "that horrid, nasty, mean boy
won't let Bloom "back''. in the sun
shine" that Ray makes. Why DOM
Bloom 80 to Sunny Colorado or Soutl
Dakota and do his "basking7" From
all accounts he was real "basker'
in both states.
'Basking" mostly in "shady'
places without a Cray of sunshine
and Ray Bice was not the Auditor Of
the "Basking" Institution either.
Ray, let the Journal Bloom gang gel
a few "unmeasured" printing bills
through and furnish few hundred
lead pencils, uncounted" for the coun
ty so that "Col.' Bloom may do some
"basking" as he used to long ago in
the bright golden sunshine of the tax
payers money.
"Col" John will swear to the meas
urc and the count-Let him "bask, .
Ray.
Devils Lake weekly world. (Devils Lake, N.D.) 1911-1914, 1912-04-12

reality, just to bring dissention into
the ranks of the republican party at
the primary election, using the same
tactics always employed in yellow jour
nalism.
What Col. John says he does not be-
lieve himself, and if the truth were
known, his is the only steam roller in
operation. It matters not what candi-
date enters the race, he knows there
is no chance for democrat. There
might be chance, however, to stir
up little strife by bringing contest
in the republican ranks, and rather
than have no fight at all Col. John
AIMS to keep Devils Lake in turmoil
in political season and out of political
season, if he has to forsake the dem
ocratic party and go home by the back
way.
Devils Lake weekly world. (Devils Lake, N.D.) 1911-1914, 1912-04-12
THE SAME OLD STORY

It is needless to 60 into detail or
pay much attention to the ranting of
the Yellow Journal in its continued
effusion which was presented on the in.
stallment plan last evening. Unable to
find anything worth while in the dem
ocratic ranks Col. John (Col. is an alb
breviation j. more was than one) has
decided to pursue his usual custom and
stir up as much strife as is possible to
stir up, shopping into the affairs Of
others that do not concern him at all
telling untruths about his fellow men
to cause hatred between man and man
fixing up a slate Ito suit himself and
making the public think that it is 8