Tulsa daily world. [volume] (Tulsa, Indian Territory [Okla.]) 1905-1919, 1912-11-30
son or DETECTIVE BURNS TESTI-
FiEs IN TRIAL OF THE
"DNNAMuTERS.'
FIVE months TO ARREST HIM
For Nearly Half a Year Burns Opcr-
ativcs- Trailed McNamarss Be
fore Making the Arrest.

| INDIANAPOLIS, Ind, Nov. 29.-
! Five months and six days was fixed
! by witnesses at the dynamite con-
spiracy" trial today as the time It re-
quired to arrest James b. Mcnamara,
| dynamiter of the Los Angeles Times
! building in which twenty-one persons
were killed, after tho dynamiter had
been pointed out 10 the detectives.
The substance Of the testimony to-
day was:
on November 2, 1910, one month
and one day after the Los Angeles
| Times explosion in a hotel lobby in
Chicago, Herbert S. Hocbin, secretary
OF the Iron Workers union and ac-
cused "betrayer" of the dynamiters,
gave to Raymond j. Burns, son Of the
detective who finally caused the ar
rests, a full description Of Mcnamara
and Ortie McManigal
on November at railroad sta
tion in Chicago, Raymond Burns to
his detectives pointed out McManigal
who was leaving for II hunting trip
near Conover, Wis. and instructed
the detectives to follow.
Found Mcnamara.
On November 6, at Kenosha. Wis. :,
Detectives w. ]. Otis and BENJAMIN
Damon, found McManigal had Joined
Mcnamara, who, under the alias of
| Frank Sullivan" accompanied
hunting party to Conover, where from
November s to December 4, the de-
| tectives ''shadowed" the dynamiters
by talking to them in camp and OBJ
serving them through field glasses
Finally Mcnamara snd McManigal re-
turned to Chicago on train on which
there were no detectives In January,
| 1911. Raymond Burns met Hockin In
Chicago and asked him the where
abouts OF McManigal. who In the
meantime had been to Los Angeles
and caused there an explosion in the
| Lewellyn Iron works.
James r. Mcnamara and McMan-
lgal were arrested on April 10, 1911,
and John j. Mcnamara was arrested
on April 20. 1911. Ten explosions oc-
CURED between December. 1910 and
the time Of the arrests.
Raymond Burns said he had receiv-
ed Information from Lindsey L. Jewel
then in Pittsburg, who testified that
Hockin, two months before the Los
Angeles explosion. had given the To-
cations Of hiding places for explosives.
Jewel was going to Panama US an en-
gineer and had urged Hockin to re-
port to Burns.
The substance OF Raymond Burns
testimony was:
On November 1 met Hockin in a
hotel lobby in Chicago. He told me-
that Bryce, then being hunted on the
Pacific coast, was James B. McNa-
mara and that j. w. McGraw. wanted
for explosions In Peoria. ILL.,, was Nc
Manigal. ] located McManigars
house in Chicago. and so traced him
to the Northwestern station. where, on
November 5, pointed him out for
operatives to follow and see with
whom he was connected. From time
to time l received information from
the hunting camp in Wisconsin.
1.-TWO weeks later l again met
Hockin in Chicago. He told me he
was satisfied John Mcnamara was
doing the dynamitIns for what money
there was in It and he said he did not
like II for he was afraid 1t would
ruin the union.
Later William J. Burns, Hockin
and myself met William ]. told
Hockin ths result of the investigation
on the Pacific coast. which was that
Olaf A. Tveitmoe and Anton Johann
sen OF San Francisco had arranged
with Coplan and Schmidt to blow up
the Times building. William j. asked
Hockin IL he knew anything on this
point. Hockin said he knew nothing
about what Tveitmoe did. az that was
matter handled on the coast. Hook
m did say, however, that Tveltmee
and Pohannsen had arranged to blow
up William J. in Seattle or San Fran
cisco by placing a bomb in room
next TO his room at hotel
Otis and Damon testified about
following the dynamlters to the Con-
over hunting camp.
OTIS said once he found James 3
intoxicated and got pretty well ac-
qualnted with him" He also said he
took photographs OF the dynamters.
When the dynamiters left Conover he
said, ne did not know where they
went.
when you were following them
around camp, boxing at them
through field glasses and talking to
them In the lodging house. didn't you
know what they were suspected of?"'
Damon was asked by the defense.
Il had no Information as to what |
they were wanted for. but I had an !
idea," replied Damon.
you were just obeying orders to
report on their doings?"
That's all"
you weren't ordered to make any |
arrests at that timer
no"