Omaha daily bee. (Omaha [Neb.]) 187?-1922, 1912-10-26
VERY ANXIOUS TO GET IMMUNITY
Before the Grand Jury with Records
Of His Organization.
ONE OF FORTY.F0UR INDICTED
Started 0rtie McManigal on the Road
as a Dynamiter.
ENGINEERED MANY OF BIG JOBS
Witness Washburn Testifies of Hav-
ing Placed Telephone Apparatus
In Rooms of the Union Last
December.

| INDIANAPOLIS, Oct. 25-Herbert S
Hockin, defendant In the dynamite con.
spiracy trial. who succeeded John ]. Nc,
! Namara, the dynamiter, as secretary OF
the iron workers union, was identified
by four witnesses today as having giver
Information to the government against
his forty-four fellow defendants,
Walter Drew. a New York counsel tor
the National Ersctors' association teSti-
fled that Hockin had said:
Il know they've got me- but l didn't
want to be the only one
The witness said that during the ses-
sions of last winter Of the federal grand
jury, which returned the indictments,
Hoclin offered to give information, but
was turned away with the remark:
Go to the district attorney and make a
clean breast of 1t. He is the only person
with authority to make promises"
'Hockin came to me several times and
told me my life was in danger" said
Drew.
''He told me fellows on the Pacific coast,
naming Tveitmoe and Ed Nockels, were
after me and that had better look out
for a. fellow named John Stevens of Chi
cago. He said he would warn me later
when might expect danger,
Another time he came to my room at
club and in the presence Of ]. F. Foster,
81 detective arranged to let us, have the
key Of the iron workers office, so we
might put in telephone device by which
we would be able at all times to record
what President Frank M. Ryan and
others said about the dynaniung.
Did Not Want to Mix Up.
"At first Hockin said: You know I've
got too much brains to be mixed up with
Mcnamara
But when replied. You haven't any
brains but only a low cunning and we've
got the goods on you,' he weakened"
Mr. Drew related that a strike had
been declared by the Iron Workers
union in 1906 and explosions on work of
Of the Ereotors' association be-
gan 500 natter that time. a}tsrj
Senator John W. Kern. for the defense,
asked:
isn't one Of the members of the
Erectors association a subsidiary Of the
United States Steel corporationT
II believeit is,'' said >Drew.
Hockin is the man whom ortie e. Nc
Manigal said put him in the dynamiting
business and who engineered many of
the jobs blown up by McManlgal and
James B. Mcnamara He Is also ac-
cused by the government of having
'double-crossed the union officials.
Visited Grand Jury Room.
Thomas +. Markey, photographer,
testified that he saw Hochn visit the
grand jury room with bundles of pa
pers and later saw him in the iron work
ers' office when detectives visited It a to
secure photographs of letters. The wit
ness said Hockin on one occasion had
said:
I've got to get away from here before
anyone sees me-"
Charles Schmidt, deputy United |
States marshal, also said Hockin had |
visited the federal building with papers. |
Guy Caldwell, an elevator boy. iden-
ified Hockin as having visited Drew's |
'oom.
When attorneys objected to a. request |
hat Hockin stand up. Judge A. B. An |
lerson said:
STAND up Hockin- It's absurd to ask
/ jury to try a. case without knowing |
whether the defendant Is present"
Iockin then stood I'D.
g. T. Washburn, Chicago, testified |
Lbout installing the telephone device in
he iron workers headquarters. He said !
t was done before daylight last Decem-
Ter, himself and the detective walking
through the office building barefooted.
% as not to make noise. He said the
Ioor was unlocked by Detectivev oFster,