The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1912-09-21


Of tho opinion that they should be appointed
one, two, three differed with MIR. Creel-
man Individually. not as representative of
The Police tonrniss Toner lie quoted the
law on the suhe and quoted the law on
the subject told him 1t was impossible.
some Appointed Anyway.
Stanton said he had pointed out TO Com
missioner Creelman the case Of one man
named Georgian. a resident Of BuNao,
who had got on the civil service list under
another name. Tho witness quoted Com
missioner Creelman as saying he didn' I
know that anything like that had eS-
is'ed
Il can prosecute not only hun but tho
res, of them for perjury. Mr.. Creelman
said. according to stanton.
The papers stanton thought went to
the District Attorney
Then | lett and they we're appointed,
Stanton cont inu"d
He added that Gorgan was not sp-
pointed
Q. When YOU say they we're appointed
YOU mean hose men ~ no had sworn falsely?
4 We'll was go used TO that 7 didn't pay
auy attention In fact that Is common dow
there
The witness said ho talked over with
Mr.. Creeinan also bogus birth certlti-
Gates which were filed bv applicants in
an effort 0 evade the age limit prescribed
for appolniee- When Bn applicant looked
to be 80 or 4? years old and presented
a certificate showing he was within the
age limit stanton would write to the
register OF births on the other side. often
III Ireland. aud got an oifiCiBl birth Certli
cate. Asked II this occurred more than
once tho witness laughed and replied.
great many times some of these
cases had been certified by the civil ser
vice two or three times. he added.
Stanton said he found that ono man in
Houston street was printing bogus Health
Department certificates.
believe he was tripped up through
the Street Cleaning Department, he said.
He added that ne had not called Mr
Waldo's attention specifically 20 any
of these cases that Mr.. Cropsey had re-
lected as TO The nature Of the offence,
and that Mr. Waldo did not ask him
Q Did YOU ever hear any complain, from
any applicant "a 20 the fslsity Of the report
Of your interrogation 4 Numerous ones
hut when ~ would come down TO prove -
thev would admit that We had them. In
some cases they would he ont Of the city
We have had them arrested in san Francisco
Wisconsip. California. all over,
Deputy Commissioners Walsh. Slower
Driscoll and Hanson had cooperated
with him IN this investigation bureau
Lieut.. Stanton said. Waldo had asked
who the Investigators were. but did not
ask whether or not the arrest records
Of the Police Department had figured
in the investigation.
O Now will you toll In a general wav il
you ran. since that bureau was established
how many people what percentage OF al
The applicants that had been certified by III,
Civil Service Commission were rejected
because Of your investigation? Have yol
any idea A Oh should say 10 or I.
per cent
q Yes. but do ycu know whether or no
Commissioner Cropsey. Commissioner Bake
Commissioner Bingham. or anv of them
used to notify tho civil Service Commission
Rs 10 the reasons for the reflections? 4
why in some cases believe they did motif,
them. The letters were sent down and tn,
applicants we're summoned. as ] under
stand it, and the men would be blacklisted
because they were probably untt in regarC
10 their character bad character of appli
cant. And II new list would come out anc
they would come rolling along UP on tn,
top of The next list again.
In reply TO questions put by Alderman
bowling, the witness said that in the cas-
of forgeries apparently coming from
Ireland they usually were made ou
oil what purrorted to be blanks of loca
registry Offices. The department Away
sent TO the Register General in DubliI
Wi regard 10 cases Of which they wer
suspicious.
In tho time he was at the head Of tn,
buraau stanton said he Investigate,
Gono = ',I cases and gave the facts TO tn,
Police I commissioner. He said he mad
recommendations one way or the othe
in not over ten cases out Of the lot: he lef
conclusions to- the commissioner Th
MD OF the United States Immigration
Bureau also was sought by the inyesti
gators in Cases ot foreign born applicants
tcmmi,sioucr Waldo resumed the
stand al . o'clock after a respite of tw'
hours
Tho Board If Tolice Surgeons was m,
subject taken III first. Mr.. Rucknel
sought 10 bring ont that this board make
n physical eNsmLnatinn of applicants Wit
alraa1" have leer pas sod by the Civi
Servlc. Commlsei1ns physicians. Ths
Commis sioncr edid that the idea Of th
second physical examination was tha
considerable period Of time had elapse
betTecn 'he time the men are eX
amined hv tho Civil Service physician
and 3pr rC,int Inpnt