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The independent-reporter. [volume] (Skowhegan, Me.) 1909-1955, 1912-12-19
CHRISTMAS IN THE
CHURCHES
YuIe Tide Season To Be
Celebrated
In the Various Religious Denonins-
tions of the Town by Appropriate
Services and Concerts.
CENTENARY N. +. CHURCH

At the Centenary n + church next
Sunday, the pastor Rev. Il. 9. Mac
Glau1in. will preach a Christmas ser
mon and there viii be a reception Of
new members. There viii be special
music By The choir IN the evening
there viii be a Christmas concert with
excellent musical numbers The con-
cert u % b. "a charge OF Mrs. Chas.
Turner and Miss Ethel Mitchell. The
annual Sunday school Christmas tree
will b. held TUESDAY evening
ST. HAKYs CATHOLIC CHURCH
The usual Christmas masses will
be said Christmas day at =. Mary's
Catholic church al 9 o'clock and 10
O'Clock a n
The independent-reporter. [volume] (Skowhegan, Me.) 1909-1955, 1912-12-19

BETHANY BAPTIST CHURCH.
Attention is called to the Christina
obseryances in this church as
described on Page of this issue.
The independent-reporter. [volume] (Skowhegan, Me.) 1909-1955, 1912-12-19

Mrs. Gertrude
gur. daughter OF
.rNaIa this ta
SCW fset hospital
The day book., 1912-05-03

The first sign of trouble in the
stereotyping departments of the
trust newspapers also came to-
day
James P. Sampson, superin-
tendent Of the stereotyping de-
.partments of both the Examiner
and the American, resigned his
position, because of the treatment
accorded the pressmen.
The troubles of the Hearst
newspapers were doubled by the
strike of the electricians today.
Non-union men who did not
know their work, fooling about
the presses was bad enough; but
non union men who did not know
their work fooling with the cleo
tricity with which the presses
were worked made work in the
Hearst press room about as dan
gerous as smoking in a gun
powder factory.
The fifteen non-union press
men working on the Record
Herald had a very pleasant treat
today. Accompanied by one-half
of the police guard which was
about that building all day, they
were taken over to King S restau-
rant for luncheon.
The police guard ate; the
scab pressmen did not. The
union mattresses in Kings refus-
ed to serve them.
The machinists working for
Louis Emraph on the Hearst
presses today walked out, say
The day book., 1912-05-03
sist the police in the slightest de-

gree.
That's what the police want,
explained Clayton Pence. They
want to start trouble and get
some excuse.to beat as up! When
ever they come for US run and
keep on going !"
Pence and half a dozen others
of the -Pressmen's Union ran
around the block when the police
chased them. They got into the
Musicians Hall by the @rear,
There was no one there to stop.
them. LAWN and his men still
were chasing the other union
men,
Today the situation on the
union side is extremely tense.
Early in the forenoon the
members of Local No, 10 Of the
International T y p gra phieal
Union ordered the printers on
the trust newspapers not to go
back to work. kSuntil a conference
had been held Between a commit
tee of the union and the trust
publishers.
Later the printers were told to
60 back to work pending the re-
suit of the conference by the off
GERS of the union.
Some of the printers did not re-
turn to work on receiving the or
der. They said their chapel vote
had gone against a return.
Late this afternoon, the officers
of the Typographical union were
in closed session. All its officials
. 1 4 = +.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
THREE OFFICERS
QUIT SERVICE
SEVERAL CHANGES IN THE
STATES MILITARY ESTAB-
II~IiNfENT.

The New Year brought with IL a
number Of changes in the military
esta blishment of the State ~ a re
suit OF which several elections Will be
ordered during the next thirty days
to MI vacancies among the commits
stoned officers.
Down In Portsmouth Company A,
OF the Fourth regiment Virginia
Volunteers, loses both its first lieu
tenant, W. w. Balm, and its second
lieutenant. j. X. Stewart, who have
resigned. orders were issued yes
terday instructing the commanding
officer of the regiment to order an
election to DO held in the next thir-
" days to fill tho vacancies.
The resignation of Captain Robert
Gillian. ,Jr. OF Company G, Second
regiment. Petersburg. was accepted
and an election likewise directed
Business reasons caused the several
designations.
by order OF the Governor Captain
Charles NJ. Wallace, formerly Of
Company e. First regiment. is APP
pointed captain In the ordnance de-
pariment. Virginia Volunteers. He Ia
ordered TO report in sixty days for
the required examination.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
ORATORS TO Tell
OF FOUR WARDS
BUSINESS MEMS ASSOCIATION
TO HOLD ANNUAL MEET
ING TONIGHT.

AT the annual meeting OF the South
Richmond and the Chesterfield BUSH
ness Mems Association to be held to-
night at Fraternal Hall, Henry w.
Wood. president. T. NJ. Darlington.
vice president: and w. T. Dabney.
business manager of the Chamber of
Commerce. will make addresses.
All OF these VIII speak ON the four
ward system of city government.
which has aroused the citizens Of
South Richmond. and has caused much
comment among them for the past
month.
Besides his talk on the four ward
plan OF government, Mr., Dahney II
also expected to say a few things IN
regard to tie proposed annexation Of
Swansboro, Woodland Heights ano
Oak Grove. For the active part taken
In the boosting OF Richmond for the
past Ave years Mr.. Dabney has won
for himself the name of Booster Bill,''
and he win continue along the same
line tonight.
Besides the speech making the an
nual election of officers VIII be held
a buffet luncheon will follow the
addresses and the usual business.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
HOLLOWAY WIRES
WAR IS OVER
CT E~11O< NOW Is WHAT WILL.
JUDGE WADDIII. DO ABOUT
RI ALL

Everything quiet I.aborers are
being paid. Receivers have left town
nnhindered."
In this brief fashion Colonel j.
w. Holloway, of the Governors staff
prominent citizen and merchant
Of Smithtield. Isle of Wight county,
announced to Governor Mann the
termination Of the Italian revolution
in Isle OF Wight county yesterday
morning.
When asked if there was any fur
ther news in the situation than that
contained in this brief telegram, the
Governor suggested that there would
be II he were in the place Of Judge
WaddilI. whose agents the receivers
were and upon whom the Italian
inborers visited such marked indig-
nitX. holding them prisoners and
threatening the destruction OF the
property.
Judge Waddili Is known for his
consistent enforcement OF court eti-
quette, demanding at all times that
his court shall be treated with pro-
per and becoming dignity. Whether
he will take steps looking to the ar
rest of the Italians for their con-
tempt of his court is not known.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
NEW ORLEANS COTTON MARKET.
CHICAGO GRAIN AND PRODUCE.
By JOS. r. pRITCH1RD.

CHICAGO. Jan. 1.-THE wheat
market developed into real bull
ansir today and following the ad-
vances of Wednesday there were fur
Their upturns Had not the big longs
ueatt out the w1cat when rtu tJr
much higher prices would doubtless
have been seen. AS IL was closings
were around the top levels, and the
extreme advances We're %%~eeats-t,Fer
the lowest points OF Wednesday.
There was largely improved trade.
as well AS general show OF activity,
with many periods, when tho excite
inent was at high pitch.
Nearly all the bullish helps came
from the Southern hemisphere.
Buenos Ayres closed Wednesday with
net gains of ! Us II 3 Lac, and the
openings today showed further up
turns of & 10 / lac. The Liver
pool market was / 3-s to "a. higher
which WAS equal to Is To LIZ.
United Kingdom cash handlers were
in the Australian and Russian mar
kcts for wheat today. according 10
cables received here, and ii was said
that enough handlers of cash grain
were considora bly, worked up over the
crop situation In the Southern hem
isphere. Il, w. Snow. who is now in
Buenos Ayres. reports violent storms
over Southern Argentina. with one TO
four inches OF rain. and harvesting Is
progressing unfavorably. A railroad
strike is expected to begin here Sat
urday.
The bears In corn were greatly dis
appointed today because OF the con-
tinued strength shown by that cereal
in the face of heavier receipts. and
the prospects of still further increases
In the movement of corn out OF farm
ers and country elevator owners
hands. The upturn In wheat. as we'll
as the strength shown by oats. helped
corn no little. A gaealy number Of
professionals were caught short OF
corn and their purchases etsFAai-
anced all else In the market. There
was some substantial commission
house selling on the hard spots
which served to hold the advance IN
check.
Oats aare strong, with other grains,
aflf showed advances of 3-S to 5-Sc.
Omen High Close
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05

plckiis up contracts tor some time.
dIHt III the market as buyers and
lFloes rallied IT, the highest Ian
haiy going to 3.0T. March e23, May
s.@', and July s.4s. In the last hour
professionals hammered the list anu
"a used slight recessions. Final prices
a"weYer. showed iritiing net gains.
There was Il good deal Of switch
lag from one option to another dur
1875 the session: these operations fail
ed tD affect the trend Of the market
Announcement that the National
t'lnuers Association estimated the
amount ~ cotton ginned to January
i at 1870, 600 bales caused those
persons who have been predicting 4
crop OF between $4,000, 900 and | -
9oo,oee naies TO cut down their esti-
mates.
Liverpool futures opened steady at
- l.. points decline and closed I'M
changed at ! IL points decline. SPOT
sales OF l2.00h bales were mad
abroad AT point decline t. 5.1Sd
NJ middlinR. Cloths were in good
demand, but yarns were dun and ir-
regular.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
MILK AND CREAM
EXHIBIT A FEATURE

Secretary W. .. Saunders, of the
State Dairymen's Association. an
nounces that the milk and cream ex~
hib|t will again be feature of the
annual meeting OF the association,
which will meet here January 1911.
The exhibit at the annual meeting
last year held In Roanoke was O.
center OF interest. Dairymen and the
several creameries are invited to par
ticipate in this exhibit and are re-
quested to communicate with the
State dairy division promptly. The
products win be judged by experts
from Biacksburg and Washington.
Last years exhibits scored very high,
the creaneries and dairymen of the
State showing that they could put
up as good product as any In the
land
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
BIC INCREASE IN
NORFOLK VALUES

Adjutant General Sale returned yes
seFaat from Norfolk. he reports that
his home city is growing nicely and,
as an evidence of it. pointed to the sale
of the Law building lot on Granny
street to q. NJ. Serpell for 100000. The
same land ten years ago brought $64,-
900. 3hr ssfie does init iffcitGe< the
building. which was erected on a
ground-rent basis. The land fronts
200 feet on CRANKY street, and has a
depth of $50 feet. The deal was con-
sumnated Wednesday. The Continen-
tai Realty Company WAS the owner
of the ground, the annual rental Of
which Is $4,000,
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
LIVE STOCK .

Union STOCK YARDS. ILL, Jan.
~tattie~~Receipts. 1000: market
steady to 10 cents Inwer; h eeves,
4.76efS.5o; Texas steers, AS "a 5.15.
Western steers. 4.3o q $50; stockers
and feeders. 325 sos. cows and
heifers, 2ep6.50; calves. $50 ~ S.75.
Hogs-Receipts. $4,000: market
steady light, $50 10: mixed. 5.S5
go; heavy SIS q $40: rough. SIS
&C. good to choice heavy. 6n6 .15.
pigs, 5 a g.; bulk of sales. b.95 q 6.15.
Sheep-Recelpts $4,000, market
weak, 10 cents lower: native, 2.15M
$50; Western, 3.25 q $50; yearlings,
4.G5 a $40; lambs native. AIS q csc:
Western. AIS $50.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
w. S BURRELL TO BE
PUT TO TRIAL FIRST

To-day Is the day set for trial
Of the so-called True Reformers
cases in the Hastings Court 1t Ia
understood that the case OF W. 8.
Burrell one of the indicted officials
Of the defunct bank of this organi-
zation. will be called first for trial.
Judge Witt was sick at home yes
terday and may not be able to pre-,
side at the trial. In such an event.
Judge Wells. of South Richmond, will
preside In his stead.
The following cases were tried be-
fore Judge Wells yesterday; &.
ben Mayo. convicted Of grand lar
ceny, five years on the roads: Walter
Tiller. convicted OF forgery. two
years on the roads: Linwood Scott.
acquitted of HOUSEKEEPING.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05

NEW TUKK, Jan. II Money on
call opened at 3 per cent: highest
.: lowest II; closing asa per
cent n ast 81 the days loans WIRE
mRue at Per cent. Time money IA
considerably easier In tone. but there
has not been much business donas at
lower rates than have been quoted
heretofore The supply OF funds IL
larger. however, and the demand IL
exceedingly light Sales are 3 Lao
IL per cent. for sixty and ninety
days, and l-2 q IA per cent. for
four. five and six months. CONNER
rinf paper ~ quiet. but rates in this
city aer somewhat easier, ranging
from per cent. 10 1-2 per cent
Tor the best names
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
Goes to Grand Jury.

On a charge of breaking into the
store of Ullman Brothers aad steal
ing a quantity of whiskey. DOG An.
derson was sent to the grand Jury by
Justice Maurice In Police Court, Part
II. yesterday morning.
Anderson was caught by Captain
Wright while leaving the store with
three bottles OF liquor in his hands.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
NEW YORK COTTON.

NEW YORK, Jan. 4.w-Cot,5p TN
lions opened strong today at from .
70 points advance. due to higher
range for futures in Liverpool and
heavy purchases Of spot cotton in that
market. Following the beginning of
trading room traders and Southern
interests began selling contracts. Jan
sAFy declining 10 SIS. March s.fa.
Nay SIS. and July s.4s. Al the low
tese1 spot interests. who have been
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05

lie Dome Curiose." musical COM
edy, with the music by book by
Luigi Sugana after a comedy by Carlo
Goldoni with music by Ernanno Wolf
F'errarri. was produced last night, for
the first time in this country. at the
Metropolitan Opera House. No mis-
take. lie Dome Curiose" Is not a
Broadway burleque show parading as
musical comedy. 1t is genuine
singer" "Falstaff." or to be more
exact. Don Giovanni The eminent
Mr. Krebheil says that IL Is Mo
zart's media and Mozart's STYLE" that
Wolf. Ferrarri has adopted. He could
do worse.
The equally eminent w. J. Hender-
son says;
1T Is set to music conceived In the
finest and most elegant spirit of the
aristocratic opera huffn- but written In
the pure Italian musical diction OF to-
day. untainted by Germanic idioms or
craftlly planned harmonic artitciali-
ties
There is melody on every page, grace
and facility In every phrase. musical
atmosphere in all. and humor aIternat-
ing with tender sentiment. 1t IL an
opera whose score Ia a treasury Of brill
liant delights Of musical inventions
and fancies profoundly interesting to-
the student Of operate development
and pleasing to the most casual OF
operagoers."
Evidently lie Dome Curiose" liz an
assured success. Farrar and Scott
are the most familiar names in the
cast.
Lulu Glazer has been granted a di-
frsV l...,
Herr, on tho ground of cruelty, in
Chicago. Mr.. Herr refused to con-
test .,...< -.>-,.. ,>s--~-
Mare kiaw~ Of Kiaw aud Granger,
has gone abroad to look after the new
Lehar operetta The Count Of Luxem-
bourg," which will be produced In new
York next fall. He also will arrange
for the English productions OF ben
Hur and '-'rhe Pink Lady, r~7sr
The Tooth performance Of 1.-THE
Garden of Allah" win be reached at
the Century Theatre, New York. next
week.
The Red Widow" with Raymond
hitchcock, is smashing records and
Waeenhals and Kemper felt 80 pleased
when the best previous box Office re.
ceipts at the Aston Theatre were
rubbed out. that they gave Hitchcock
a gold watch. Perhaps the proprietor
did this to remind the comedian that
he does not own the theatre.
Listen to this:
Oscar Hammerstein. the New York
tmpresario. has received on offer OF
$4,000 for season Of FIVE weeks OF
grand opera In New Orleans, and ten
weeks In San Francisco. and he Will
probably accept the proposition"
S'snor GATH Cazasza must look ia
his laurels and prima donnas.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05

HARKISONRURG HAS FREAK
-------------- CHICKEN or NEW DESIGN

Especial 10 The Richmond vlrginian.)
g HA VA, Jan. a.
Miss Emma Rranner. OF Broadway,
Rockingham county. has a freak
chicken. a white rooster. six IN onths
old. that stands erect on his hind
legs. but which carries his craw
around on the right side Of his neck.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
Many Societies Active

Chesterfield Chapter. United Dangh-
tiers OF the Ccnfederacy, will hold It's
regular meeting Saturday afternoon
at O'Clock IN the homo of Mrs. Sid
ney Baker. 1902 cambridge street.
A meeting Of the Wcman's Missions
airy Society of Oak Grove Baptist
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
COMPANY C OF BLUES
RESUMES DRILLS

Company e, of the Richmond Blues.
resumed drills last night following the
usual holiday suspension of activities
Company G and the other companies
Of the Blues viii be inspected next
Monday and Tuesday night by Cap
tain Geo. +. Bsltxsll. United States
Army.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
School Board TO Met.

A meeting Of the county school
board has been called for next SAT-
urday afternoon at l O'Clock by W
Il. Strother. acting Al superintendent
OF the Chesterfield county schools.
Some action regarding the abort
age Of former Treasurer ]. p. 0tl-
liam will probably be taken at this
meeting.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
Fireman Resisns.

6. B. Belcher. engine fireman Of En-
CINE Company No. Is, has resigned
his position to so into another bust
ness.
Five are In the race for the vacated
place. They are ". 3. Bowman. Clar-
ence Wright. Bud Cotton. Jim Jsn-
nings and Walter Smith.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05

church, Was held last evening ct the
home Of Mrs. T. II. Davis. 2014 Chicago
avenue.
The visiting committees Of several
of the Junior Orders Of American Me-
chanics of the Southside will pay =
visit to Davis Council tonight.
Indianola Tribe Of Red Men will
have a banquet at the Masonic Tenn
pie Monday night. after the business
has been transacted at the regular
meeting.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
Negro 10 Captured.

James Phipps. colored. charged with
threatening the life of J. Thomas. was
dismissed.
Negro 10 Captured.
Landon Matthews, another youn1
negro answering to the description
given by William Foulks RS the one
who attempting an attack upon hts
eleven year -old daughter, sadie. last
Sunday morning, was arrested We'd
nesday by the Petersburg poles. and
viii be held until the little girl and
father arrive and identity him.
Matthews emphatically denies COM
hitting the crime he In charged with.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
At theTheatres
Academy.

Academy.
Saturday matinee and night
THE Chorus Lady, n comedy.
Bijou.
This Week--R. J. Jose 10 Silver
Threads" Today at 8 +. M. special
m owing picture matinee, free.
-- Empire.
Vaudeville, afternoon and night
Colonial.
Continuous vaudeville and moving
pictures.
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
RICHMOND STOCK MARKET.
ny RICHARD W. MAUHY,
syock and bond broker, l0i5 Il. Main ST.

suock and bond broker, lal5 II. Main 81
Richmond, Va, Jan 4, 1919.
STATE SECURITIES.
Bid. Asked
Va. SIS, Ola G. and r.. 1892 SIX -.
Va. Cen, 2. s. c. and r., 1921 SIS ssis
CITY SECURfTIEs. -=
Richmond CITY As, r.. 1920
IHSV s..4.t.,.... - ..-+..-.. eif2 80
RAILROAD BONDS.
A. C. l.. II. II. Consoi Trust.
p. G. ......s.......,.. e5 -.
as, isss ................. Io,n io2
G. and o. Geni NJ. i1xs, 1922 l0l 80.
Ca, So. and Florida. 1876. 106 -.
Ca. and Ala Consol SIS, 1875. l0- 80.
n. and ". Ry-, As, 1920. % -.
\. and W. Ry. Poca- As, 1914 81 -.
Seaboard Air Line Is, 1850. 81 So.
SeaboArd Adj. bs. 1919 -. s3t -.
So. Ry. LIST as, 1924 ..s...-. los 49,.
So, r. Dew. and G.. NJ *.
1895 ~
Western N. G. LIST Ss, e.. 1914 i0s -.
STREET RAILWAY BOED6
Va. ny. and Power ca. -
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-01-05
f3ijou,
Empire,
Colonial.

afternoon and night
The Richmond Virginian. (Richmond, Va.) 1910-1920, 1912-12-08
Chicago Musical
Vaudeville Suits
All Who Like Il

Miss Nobody From Starland" was
presented at the Academy, matinee
and night, yesterday. Miss Nobody
From Starland' Is a Chicago musical
comedy. with good scenery, num-
Der OF quite pretty girls. clever peo-
pie who can sing and dance and
sometimes talk distinctly; with clever
lyrics, clever lines and, quite often,
clever music.
Altogether 1t is one of the popular
brands of vaudeville. One might add
with music" in order not to be mis-
understood. 1t is as typical of Chi
cago as Cohan show Is Of New York.
Three Chicago authors and COM
posers. not to mention Mort II. Sim
ger himself, have had a hand in the
making of 1t. The three authors and
composers are Hough, Adams and
Howard. Mr.. Howard being the COM
poser, as he unftes the qualities Of
many. He can initiate the late Paul
Dresser, the present Charles X. Har
ris or the latest waltz made. in Vienna
with the greatest of ease. Conse-
quently the music is bright and ought
to please.
Hough and Adams can write lyrics
that would make George AIDE prick
up hts ears and wonder why he forgot
to write them, or wonder IL he hasn't
written them already. I'D Rather
Love What / Cannot Have Than Have
What I Could Never Love-" sounds
very much like MIR. AIDES lyrical style.
The second act OF Miss Nobody of
Starland" is also very much to the
George AIDE, as 1t pictures the tribu-
lations OF producing a production as
Mr.. AIDE has pictured 1t in one or
two of his fables.
From the foregoing 1t would appear
that Miss Nobody From Starland"
Is a great entertainment, but to tell
the truth II fell rather fiat on the
could not get into the swing or it.
They had 10 acknowledge that JOS
eph Niemeyer Is 81 remarkably agile
dancer; that he Is almost as aero
batic as George NJ. Cohan or the late
lamented Dan DAILY; that Lawrence
Conner is a remarkably good come
dian with a magnetic stage presence.
that Olive Vail is good TO look upon
and is remarkably well suited to sus-
tain tho role of musical vaude-
Vile, or comedy OF the latest brand;
that Jessie Maker Is a remarkably
clever little dancer and interpreter
of the latest style OF soubrette songs,
and that the entire company is well
qualified in all respects. They just
could not get into the atmosphere
Of the piece
The entire stage business was lost
upon them. They didn't know how
really clever the piece was, or how
funny II appears to stage folk who
know what happens when a wrong
cue fs given or another is missed. A
shower in the wrong place: repeating
as the lines" of a play the ex-
carnations of a suffering stage direc-
tor would send an audience of pro-
fessional people, or sophisticated
Broadway crowd into spasms. no
doubt, but the lines and situations
failed ID get across the Academy
footlights in the manner they should
have. 1t was not the fault of the
company, and II was not because the
audience yesterday afternoon and last
night lacked intelligence. 1t was
simply because the audience was not
in tune with the performance.
II demonstrated that this particu-
lar brand Of musical comedy suits
those who are in touch with II and
like that sort Of thing.