New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-07

Didn't Costigan receive instructions
from you that he was to get his evidence
and submit It to you before making
raids?"
Certainly not"
Now. Mr.. Waldo" said Mr.. Thacher.
his voice soft az the notes Of nightin-
gale. you are quite familiar with condi-
tons in the Tenderloin?"
Yes" replied the Commissioner
You know that there are quite a num-
Der OF dlsorderly houses thereY'
Il don't know of my own knowledge"
you recognize the fact that there are
thousands OF dissolute women in the
city," said Mr.. Thatcher.
Il don't know" said the Commissioner.
But you're not too young to admit
that there are thousands of them
Il have never counted them replied
Mr. Waldo.
Isn't IL true that II you drove these
women out Of the houses they would 80
into the streets?"
yes. ! suppose So"
And then. II you drove them of the
streets. you could not drive them into
the river. they would 20 back into the
houses?'
Ir. Farley objected
Il want TO prove that It is the policy
Of the Police Department not 10 raid
these houses" said Mr.. Thacher. i in
tend to prove that the orders Hayes got
were consistent with the policy Of the de-
partment"
How Far Mayor Directed.
The objection Was sustained. and Mr..
Thacher tried for another opening Win
this question:
Isn't il a fact that the Mayor has d.
reCted the policy OF your administration
mo. except where 1t is a matter OF rec
ord" replied MIR. Waldo.
Isn't 1t matter OF public knowledge
what the Mayor thinks Oh this subject?
There was another objection MI
Thacher then read from an address on the
social evil made in 1910 by the Mayor, in
which Mr.. Gaynor said: "What7 Turn
the police loose on these people2 III
did the police would take money from
them"
Mr. Waldo said he had never heard that
He also said he did not know the Mayor
believed the social evil must be endured.
isn't IL your view that We must suf-
fer this eyil?" asked Mr. Thacher.
81 have no views on H." replied Mr..
Waldo.
Hayes Tells Story.
When Hayes took the stand he told OF
to a 1arl
houses In the LIST Inspection District with
In twenty days after he was appointed in
spector there in July 1911
"Rut when I was sent 10 the 4th In
spection District-the Tenderloin,' said
Inspector Hayes. Commissioner Waldo
told me that there were many disorderly
houses there, and he instructed me TO OBJ
tain evidence against disorderly houses
only when / was ordered. He told me the
district was filled with gambling houses
and the street corners thronged with gam
bling house hangers-on. and he told me ne
did not want to hear any more about IL
HAYES then told OF the conversation
with Waldo as they passed the FL Dorado
and he said he gave his men under MIN
instructions not TO modest dissolute wom-
ON so long "as there were no outside con-
ditions"
"Dld you tell that to Mr.. Waldo
eyes. I told the Police Commissioner
that I told my men to stay out OF dis
orderly houses. for / feared that they
might get mixed up In disorderly house
scandal. The Commissioners said: All
right On that occasion the Police Com
missioner said TO me that IL there were no
outside conditions 10 leave them alone,
hut II there were outside conditions not
only 10 arrest them but to suppress
them"
pecords introduced at this point
showed that Hayes sent I'm a month,s re-
mort tabuatlng the numerous disorderly
houses I'm his district. and other reports
showed that he made an average Of
three arrests a month up to eight months
ago. when he ceased entirely.
"After your last raids, in February
what happened?'
commissioner Waldo sent for me. He
said: 4 thought you were keeping your
men out of dlsorderly houses. / said: L
am He said: why these raids? | told
him that | made some on complaint OF
Father Daily, of the Paulist Fathers. and
another on complaint OF the priests In the
church I'm West 49th street Commits
s,oner Waldo told me to make no more
raids on any complaint unless they were
indorsed by his Office
HAYES then told of the occasion when
Iva said Mr.. Mckay was present when
NJ Waldo instructed him again not to
raid disorderiy houses unless he instruct
| ed him.
"It was on the first anniversary Of the
commissioners assuming Office" said
HAYES. Deputy Commissioner Mckay
sent for me. He asked me to raid
house in West 47th street. lie SAID the
proprietor OF the st. Francis Ho.ei, Mr..
walter complained to him about 1t.
,oId him that I would not. az l had my
instructions on disorderly houses went
in with Mr.. Mckay to the Police Com