The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1912-04-25

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Well he said. you used very, very
strong language with him"
Did ~ asked. II cannot help It
II did"
"Yes. you did" he said. and repeated
the words
III you wish me to repeat them l
viii do 50; II you do not. will not"
Harsh Talk TO Ismay.
9. will first ask you th.a. What
was tho occasion for your using harsh
language to Mr. Ismay? a. The reason
for using the language ! did was because
Mr.. 1smay was over anxious and he was
getting trife excited.
Lower away; lower away: lower
away; lower away" he said.
Give us what you said" Mr.. Ismay
interrupted.
The chairman is examining me- said
Lowe.
After considerable discussion as to
whether Lowe should repeat the .one
word" he thought objectionable 1t was
written on "a piece OF paper and handed
to Chairman Smith
What was the occasion OF it?" asked
Senator Smith.
with my duties" replied Lowe. of
course he understood this because he was
anxious to get the people away and also
to help me-"
q. What did you say TO him 4. I
told him: III you will get the hell cut
Of that, shall be able to do some
thing
G. What reply did he make A. He
did rot make any reply. I said: DO
you want me to lower away quickly
You will have me drown the whole lot
Of them
= | want you to say what he did after
YOU said this to him. \. lie walked
away and then he went to No. boat.
the next boat forward of mine that Is.
on the same side, and | think he went
ahead there on his own hook, getting
things ready there To the best Of his
ability.
FIFTY In First Boat.
q fow. Mi Lowe. how many people
weret There in the first iifeboat YOU low
cred: a We'll. roundly. | should say
around nifty.
.. How many men were put into that
boat for the purpose of manning her? A.
think there were five.
=. We're there any male Passengers
\. think there w-r. few. because We
could rot lind any more women.
MIR. Lowe explained that if a lifeboat
with a floating capacity OF 65 was filed
with that number before it was lowered
there would be grave danger OF the ship
buckling. breaking in the middle. because
the only supports would be at the ends.
Though making most conservative esti-
mates on this point 1t developed that
Lowe took IS in his boat OF nearly ma xi
mum floating capacity.
Senator Smith sought 70 ascertain why
according to Major Peuchen's charges
yesterday, there were not enough men
at the boats competent 10 man them.
You must remember" said Mr.. Lowe.
that when this accident took place there
was crowd of men went down. which
accounts for the shortness Of sailors
n crowd Of men went down with the
boatswain Ia clear away the gangway
doors. in the hope that We should be
had lowered the boat down
- That did not require much skill TO
clear away the gangway doors anybody
could do that \. Anybody could do It,
but who were We going to send
Discipline Of the Beet.
.. know there was confusion !
know there was a great emergency there.
but wondered whether the discipline
was right? \. The discipline could not
have been better. and what ! mean to
say is that you must remember We did
not have one boat TO lower way We had
and We put nineteen over. and when YOU
come TO split up lS men between ls boats
YOU nave not got many men 20 juggle
with. Then they are all scattered all
over the place
-. You wish US 20 understand from
all you have said that there were not
men suitable and available at that par
ticular time to man these lifeboats
properly? A. There we're the same men
as you get in every mercantile marine
not only in the British. but YOU will
md the best sailors going in the British
marine but that does not matter II is
the same in America sad just the same
everywhere
- Are you ready to admit that the
men on that ship whos- duty II was TO
report 10 their stations when the order
was issued to clear away the lifeboats
and lower them with women and children
were not available \. No. sir, they
were not.
Mr. Lowe told them os filing the boats
and Of how he called out Women and
children first Men stand back The
women were put in the boats. he said
as fast as they appeared. without regard
to class nationality or position on the
boat He had difficulty in getting women
to respond to the call 10 enter the boats
he said.
Passengers Had Preference.
Male passengers had the prefer ence
the witness declared, over the men Of
the crew Senator Smith led him tn an
account Of the filling Of lfeboat II in which
Lowe himself left the Titanic.
How many people did you put into
it, he was asked Fifty eight"
How many women:- They were
all women and children but one pas
scnger who was an Italian. and he sneaked
in and he was dressed like a woman He
had shaw over his head only found
him out at the last moment. And another
passenger that ! took for rowing. A. &.
Williams of Harrow -on-the Hill, Middle
sex. England
How many peopl. got into that boat
after il reached the water or at any other
deck" asked Senator Smith
None. sir You see. ] chased all If
my paseen gers out of my boat and emptied
her into four other boats that ! had.
was in H. then had To- had ~. another
collapsible and one other boat. the number
of which do not know. herdsd them
together and ropcd them, made them all
tic up. and of course had TO wait until
the wells and shrieks had suhsided. so the
people would thin out, and then deemed
il SAT o for me to go among the wreckace.