New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-29
Former Prosecutor of Whites
Slayer Recalls Him, After
Shearn VainIy Protests.
HE DENIES STORY OF WHIP
Recalls Kid" Regain Case, and
Declines to Lead Lawyer Out of
jungle of Terms'-Says He
Was Crooked at Times"

the hearings into the sanity of Harry K.
Thaw. The courtroom was crowded in an
ticipation Of hearing Thaw's testimony
AGAIN. Clarence j. Shearn, Thaw's counsel,
had announced previously that he intended
TO conduct a long cross-examination of his
client He declined to do SO. with the per
mission Of the court, and Thaw had just
settled down in his chair with a sigh or
relief when special Deputy Attorney Gen
eral Jerome said he had overlooked some
things during his two days examination
OF Thaw. and called him TO the witness
stand
Thaw stood up until Mr.. Shearn had
finished Directing TO the recalling Of his
client Justice Keogh overruled the OBJ
lection. and Thaw picked up his large palm
leaf fan and made his way slowly to the
witness stand, with a stormy look of dis
approval on his countenance. Thaw
showed fight from the start, and declared
at different points in his testimony that
Jerome his former prosecutor, was
crooked at times" and had cooked up
evidence against him Mr.. Jerome nettled
the witness considerably by pressing him
Mr. Jerome wanted to know if Thaw had
testified at the former White Plains hear
ing in 1909 that he had dismissed his coun-
sci. Lewis Delafeld and Judge Olcott. be-
cause they wanted him to pretend that he
had 2been insane right along Thaw
didn't quite understand the question, and
Mr. Jerome started to repeat II, when
Thaw declared tartly:
Il can't answer unless you permit me to
do so"
All right, go right ahead" said Jerome,
good naturally.
Il probably was asked that, and being
informed TO that effect l so answered"
Thaw answered
Mr Jerome referred to Ethel Thomas,
ard asked the witness where and how
often he had met her. Thaw admitted
that he had met her in a disorderly house
in West 47th street but he retorted that
the resort. though a notorious one. had
been permitted TO remain open all through
Mr. Jerome's administration as District
Attorney. Thaw fatty declined to answer
further questions along this line. He said
he didn't Ike the tactics Mr.. Jerome was
employing.
But possibly I anticipate your inten-
tons" said Thaw with a wave Of his hand,
please proceed"
Now. about the whip that Mr. Hartridge
produced at the 1909 hearing. do you re-
member being Intercepted about that
asked Mr.. Jerome.
NO | wish YOU would read that testi
mony." said the witness.
Mr.. Jerome read Thaws previous testi-
nony. in which he denied that there was
any whip and that Hartridge, his former
counsel had ever expended a lot of money
10 get it, as Hartridge had testified.
Now, Mr.. Jerome. l don't like to enter
into any discussion with you" said Thaw,
but you know perfectly we'll that there
was no such whip. and that it was put UP
Job by you and Hartridge and possibly DR..
Flint. ! don't know what part you had in
it
Are YOU willing to waive the privilege
OF confidential communication with your
former counsel, Mr.. Gleason and Mr.. Del
mas, who were not in the conspiracy. and
have them testify as 10 what they knew
about this whip" asked Jerome
Declines to Waive Privilege.
Thaw asked permission TO consult with
his counsel. Mr.. Shearn, for a moment, and
afterward said that he did not care TO
waive the privilege In this connection
Thaw accused Jerome Of employing Cow
ardly tactics" and said Jeromes actions
corresponded TO cheating at cards.
when you told Dr. Hamilton about
shooting White did you say that White was
glazing at YOU, and YOU went az him bow
on and shot him." asked Mr.. Jerome.
Il may have said that but If did IT
was a meaningless remark" Thaw replied.
Mr.. Jerome showed the amethyst horses
head which the state contends was the top
Of a whip which Thaw used in beating
young girls. 1t at present adorns a hatpin.
Jerome asked the witness II he had ever
seen IT,
Yes. that was a parasol handle which
was turned into hatpin after the parasol
was broken" said Thaw.
Whose parasol was it?" asked Mr. Je-
rome.
you know as we'll as I do" was the
answer
II had belonged 10 Evelyn Nesbit Thaw.
The States Attorney was asking Thaw in
regard TO his own opinion, and that Of
come Of the physicians, 10 his sanity,
subject which WAS evidently distasteful 20
the witness, when he suddenly broke out
with
How about Kid Regain. whom you got
cut Of Sing Sing. Mr.. Jerome?"
"'Kid Regain said Jerome. Il don't re-
member the case; tell me more about It,"
why, have you got out so many that
YOU don't remember it?" queried Thaw
Then Thaw caught himself quickly, evil
IDENTIFY realizing that he was going afeld
and added:
II beg your pardon. perhaps you didn't
know him at all. ] really shouldn't have
brought that up"
peter F.. alias kid" Regan. brother
Of Detective Lieutenant Martin Regain,
was indicted for murder in the first de-
gree Roy Joyce was slain in a cafe fight
April Is. 1905. Regain disappeared was
arrested in Los Angeles for swindling. in
December 1908. and the following month
was brought to New York for trial on the
murder charge. He was permitted TO plead
guilty TO assault in the first degree and
was sentenced 10 not less than ono nor
more than seven years I'm states PRISON.
Thaw declared that the stories OF his mis-
treating young boys i'm London or else
where were untrue He declared that they
were some Of the dirty stories that
Jerome or perhaps the Earl Of Yarmouth
had circulated about him. Mr.. Jerome
started in on the subject OF conspiracy"
another OF the distasteful subjects TO Thaw.
but an important one from the alienist's
point OF view in observing Thaw while he
an objection. but was 1verruled. Mr.. Je-