Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1912-02-02
ASKED ABOUT HIS CAREER
His Story of "Roping" McGowan,
the Canadian, Probed.
PART TAKEN BY DICTAGRAPH
Witness Closely Questioned by At
torney Hynes, Representing Par
ticularly Edward Hines.


and dictagraph figured in the alleged
trapping" Of Charles MCGOWAN, a wit
ness in the Lorimer senatorial investiga-
ton, who had denied hearing an alleged
conversation on a railway train regard
ing the raising of a fund to aid in Lori
mer's election, was continued today be-
fore the special Senate committee.
A. c. Bailey, the Burns detective who
has alleged that when MCGOWAN lad
mitted" to him that he had received
money for testifying as a Hines -Lorimer
witness a photographic record of the al
legged admission was made by a machine
concealed under a tablecloth, resumed
the witness stand.
Attorney Hynes Cross-Examines.
Attorney w. ]. Hynes, representing par
ticularly Edward Hines, conducted the
cross-eXamination of Bailey. For fifteen
years Bailey said he had LJne '.investi-
eating. shadowing and roping" for de-
tective agencies.
I'VE don't understand .roping, inter-
rupted Chairman Dillingham;.
That is what we call getting a mans
confidence and leading him to tell things
he otherwise would not do" explained
Bailey.
Attorney Hynes made the witness give
an account or all his detective work.
At one time when working for the Good
detective office of Pittsburg, Bailey said,
he employed laborers for the Carnegie
steel Company. To Senator Kenyon he
explained that the company was short Of
men, and SO he hired foreigners of New
York employment agency for it.
Denies Dismissal for Dishonesty.
..yyyoro va, d;Sohor rea<7 for ,1;cbonaety
when a street car conductor in New
York;? asked the attorney.
mo, sir. 4 was discharged without rea-
son assigned. 1 understood it was be-
cause l had not reported for duty
Don't you know when employees are
discharged without reason being given
it is for dishonesty?
NO, do not.
Senator Kenyon inquired, when At
torney Hynes was asking about the
career of other Burns detectives, il he
intended to go into the history Of all
the 500 P'Irns employees.
IF YOU are I'll go to some other
committee" volunteered the senator.
The attorney desisted.
Getting hold of Bailey's notebook,
Attorney Hynes, as a memory test.
asked the witness to relate what he
alleges McGowan told him on various
days of their sojOurn together. Before
, the witness began he explained he had
worked on other things since, SO his
memory might be faulty.
McGowan's Alleged Admission.
Attorney Hynes suggested that Nc
Gowan became very confidential with
Bailey. according to Baileys story.
He took liking to me- explained
Bailey.
He couldn't help that
s.Natura lly ~ -
You had such an honest face
Correct
/. And SO after five days acquaintance
MCGOWAN was crying out to you 4 am a
perjurer. ] am perjurer. Unciean
unclean. unclean, roared the attorney, as
he smote his chest.
when you get the confidence OF a
man, he will tell you what was on his
mind Bailey repeated that MCGOWAN
made the admissions before third party,
I'll. T.. Kerr:
"A total stranger to McGowan?' shout
ed Attorney Hynes.
had with Mr. Kerr he told all about
this?" insisted Chairman Dillingham;.
"Yes, sir He seemed to like Kerr. II
was the first time l had seen him since
he wrote me he made the lines peop'e
come across.
Why Dictagraph Was Not Used.
Chairman Dillingham; demanded why
the witness had not used the telegraph
on MCGOWAN while they were hunting.
I'VE could not use it on the streets,
was the reply.
why didn't you call in third party
to hear him."
There was nobody to call in.
What! No man in Regina?"
Bailey said MCGOWAN was going to Chi
cago with him, so he proposed not to try
the dictagraph or a third man until he
went to Chicago.
Couldn't you have worked the dicta-
graph in Chicago as we'll as in Toronto?'
insisted the chairman.
The witness first said he could not &C
count for it," He added he had no suite
in Chicago in which to use 1t and to nave
got one would have aroused suspicion.
After other eXamina zion, Bailey explain
ed that his office told MIN after he came
to Chicago that he need only keep In
touch with MCGOWAN, as the committee
was considering disseminating the work.
Bailey Stands by Charge.
Isn't the reason why you didn't get
third man to hear MCGOWAN on your
hunting trip or i'm Regina or Chicago
when all you had to do was to turn on
the faucet and MCGOWAN would bubble
forth-wasn't the reason that he never
made any such statement demanded
Attorney Hynes
don't think MCGOWAN will go on the
stand and deny it, Bailey retorted, as he
turned to face young MCGOWAN.
Bailey said that after the committee
had discontinued his services he was
employed by a Mr.. Funk to shadow Nc
Gowan while he remained in Chicago.
MCGOWAN remained two days. He said
Funk asked if Wiche met MCGOWAN il
there would be any objection to giving
the information to the newspapers.
II told him not SO long as my name
was kept out of the papers. Bailey re-
piled.
Detective Testifies About MCGOWAN.
Detective A. C. Bailey, one of Burns
sleuths was on. the stand under direct
examination all yesterday afternoon; and
he related statements which he claims
MCGOWAN made to him and from which
the witness drew the conclusion that Nc
Gowan had perjured himself in his tes-
timony before the committee last sum-
mer The detective read from notes he