Evening star., 1912-10-04


mention that because L have seen tha,
some well-meaning but flabby persons
have said there might have been a mis-
understanding between Mr. Hartman
and myself
Col. Roosevelt said at the time the Har.
riman contribution was made there was
no doubt of the national ticket CARRYING
New York. but that the state ticket was
in difficulties
Mr.. Hartman told me that State
chairman Odeh had to have more money
and that the latter wanted me to ask Mr.
Bliss or Mr.. Cortelyou to help him out
Mr Hartman said that he had borne the
Drunt OF the state campaign and would
nave to have help from the national or
Mr.. Loeb called up either Bliss OIL
Cortelyou. and I subsequently called uI
one or the other
Concerned State Campaign.
There was not one word spoken by
Mr.. Hartman or me having any refer
ence to the collection of funds for the
national campaign. On the contrary, the
entire conversation was to the effect
that the national campaign was safe aEI
that aid should be given to the state
campaign
Col. Roosevelt said he subsequently, had
a talk with Mr.. Hartman. who favored
the appointment of Senator Depew as
ambassador to France, but that when the
President told him other fina@cial men
were supporting James H. Hyde, Mr..
Hartman began to back water"
Col. Roosevelt added that he made 1t
clear that Mr.. Hyde was too young for
the important diplomatic post and had
not won his spurs.''
II wish to call your attention to the
fact that Judge Duen and Mr.. Sheldon
have bob testified, and Mr.. Bliss stated,
that the money was not raised by Mr..
Hartman for the national campaign, but
that it was raised by Mr.. Bliss to help
out Mr.. Hartman in the state campaign.
Mr.. Loeb was present during the inter-
view between Mr.. Hartman and myself
and heard every word that was said.
.1Mr. Hartman asked me to get Mr..
Cortelyou and Mr.. Bliss to help raise
funds for the New York state campaign.
IT never asked Mr. Hartman directly
Or indirectly for dollar to help in that
campaign or any other campaign
Asks to Correct Statement.
Col Roosevelt said he wished to correct
his statement regarding his, interview
with Hartman.
''Mr. Hartman told me-" he said, 'the
national committee people had plenty of
money, and 1 told him I knew nothing
about that His request to me was that
ask the national committee to give
money, not that 1 ask the national COM
mittee to help raise money. He said the
national committee already had plenty of
funds
Col Roosevelt said he wanted to dis
cuss for q moment Judge Alton B. Park
er's statement in 1904.
He called attention to the repeated
charged to him, that he had
said corporations did not contribute to his
1904 campaign
II never made the statement, that cor1
porations had not contributed to the re-
PUBLICAN party" he said. II never made
lie said his recent 1eftes- to .rhafrfhA III
Clapp and his "open published statements'
made It clear that he had never denied
that corporations had contributed, but de-
MED specifically that corporations had
been ''blackmailed" into contributing, or
assured Of some kind of favor for con-
Not Considered Improper.
COL Roosevelt said he had secured the
word Of Bliss and COrtelyou that the
statement was fact before he made it:
contributions were not consid-
cred improper in 1904. 1900 or 1896, he
said, and it was public knowledge that
they were being made.
For an hour the colonel had talked,
practically without interruption. Half a
dozen questions by Senator Clapp started
him. and thereafter there was no oppor-
tunity for Questions. Col. Roosevelt
talked along. choosing his own subjects,
now and then to go through his
papers or to confer with Mr.. Loeb, and
occasionally turning to the committee
with an earnest, rs that quite clear?"
The colonel talked with his usual earn
gestfcuiating freely and glancing
through black-bowed spectacles at the
committee as he contradicted various
statements.
Col. Roosevelt was emphatic in his
to both democratic and republican funds.
in 1904.
Archbold and Penrose.
Now 1 wish to take up the testimony
Of Mr.. Archbold and Senator Psnrose, :,
said Col. Roosevelt
He paused to look at some memoranda
and an air of expectancy settled over the
room. =
II wish to call your attention to this
fact in connection with the statements
of Mr.. Archbold, as in the case of Mr..
Hartman. They each testified that they
Mr. Arehbold and Mr.. Hartman alike
not that the administration did
what 1t ought not to have done, but that
the administration refused to do what 1t
ought not to do Mr.. Archbold and Mr..
Harriman's complaint is tAat they got
nothing from the administration.
Mr. Archbold testifies that Cornelius
Bliss, who Is dead. attempted to black
mail him and that knew of it.
II don't for minute believe Mr.. Bliss
tried to backmail him; IL he did know
of it,
He referred to his letters as evidence
that as soon as he heard the suggestion
Of such a contribution he ordered it re-
turned.
And | had the assurance of Mr.. Cor
telyou over the telephone again yester-
day that such contribution was not
made.
Analyses Testimony.
"I want to call your attention to the
testimony Of Nessrs. Archbold and Pen,
rose against themselves. Mr.. Penrose
testifies that he advised Mr.. Archbold to
have the Standard Oil Company.sub;nit to
the blackmail and that he did it to pre-
vent it being subjected to hostility from
tility only from myself, the Attorney Gen.
ersi or the commissioner of corporations.
..They could incur my. hostility only IL
they violated the law had no way OF
being hostile unless they violated the
law. So the action OF Penrose IN advis-
ing the Standard OIL to make that con-
tribut!on was advice to 1t to protect It
self 81 inst prosecution for violation of
the law.
.Whta l was police commissioner of
New YORK city," said the colonel, ''and
a member OF the police force should have
DONE I'm competition with the enforce
ment OF the law against liquor selling
what Mr.. Penitose says he did in this