Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1912-12-01
BURNS TELLS STORY
Detective Describes His Hunt
for Dynamite Conspirators.
INTERVIEWS WITH HOCKIN
Secretary of the Ironworkers, a De-
fendant, Makes Disclosures.
OBJECTS TO MURDER PROGRAM
Gives Information Regarding the
Operations of Mcnamara Broth
ers-Others Implicated.
INTERVIEWS WITH H0CKIN
OBJECTS TO MURDER PROGRAM

INDIANAPOLIS, Ind, November 30
William J. Burns story of his pursuit of
the McNamaras and Ortie F. McManigal.
following the Los Angeles Times explo-
sion. was told by him at the dynamite
conspiracy trial today.
At the time of the explosion on October
1. 1910. he said, he was on train from
San Francisco to Los Angeles and the
next day, as detective. he was en-
ployed by Mayor Alexander of Los Ange-
les to run down the dynamiters. He re-
manned on the Pacific coast until the lat
ter part of December. when he returned
to Chicago. In Chicago, he said. he met
Herbert S. Hockin, now secretary of The
ironworkers' union. Hockin is accused
by the government of having betrayed the
dynamiters while he himself was dyna-
inter.
Substance of Burns Statement.
Mr.. Burns in substance testified:
"Hockin told me he wouldn't have met
me If il were not for the fact that the
dynamters We're going to do lot of
killing He said John j. Mcnamara,
then secretary of the union. had en-
ployed James & Mcnamara and Nc
Manigal to kill as many people as posi-
BILE to bring about the result he hoped for.
told nOckin he was late with his ln1or-
nation. as I knew all the facts already.
Then l asked him where he got his In
formation that people on the PACING
coast were going to blow me up.
"He said Olaf 4. Tveitmoe of San
Francisco was looking after the plot.
told him | believed Tveitmoe would do
it if he had a chance. for l had opposed
TI-o N no Francisco graft
vestigation. and I had sent my son Ray
mond to Minnesota to get a photograph
of TveitmOe in the peni'entiary uniform
and had it published IN San Francisco.
Il asked Hockin if 1t wasn't true that
every member of the irOnwOrkers' eX-
ecutive board knew about the explosions.
He said neither they nor President Frank
VI. Ryan knew what John j. did, except
perhaps Eugene A. Clancy of San Fran
cisco. l told him it wasn't possible for
money to be appropriated every month
for Mcnamara without others higher up
knowing of it. 1 told Hockin l proposed
to get the men higher up. l didn't want
merely local men. He said John ]. was
the man l wanted.
Declines Offer in Part.
81 offered to pay Hockin to come into
my employ. but he sad he would accept
only his expenses. 1 told him at that
and now / had not only to fight dynamit-
ers, but also a class of men opposed to
civic decency i'm San Francisco.
IL told him on the day after the Los
Angeles explosion I had informed Mayor
Alexander that John j. Mcnamara and
Tvetmoe We're behind the explosion. 1
impressed him with the fact that l didn t
want to arrest John J. and James b. and
depend on their making confessions and 1
was afraid to watch j. J. at Indianapolis
too much, as they might learn of it and
the whole thing would blow up
Questioned by Defense.
Questioned by Senator J. w. Kern for
the defense about securing McManigal' s
first confession in Chicago shortly after
the arrests. Burns was asked:
Did McManigal implicate any one be-
sides the McNamaras?
He mentioned only Michael ]. Young
of Boston. in connection with the explo-
sion at Springfield. Mass, and he impli-
Gated HOckin as having procured nitro
glycerin and as having employed him to
blow up building in Detroit
District Attorney Miller stated that only
one more witness for the government will
be called Monday and then the govern
ment will rest its case.