New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-10-09
s. 0. DIVIDES CAMP At
BATES-|M|LLS DEBATE
RedIam Breaks Loose When
RepubIican Candidate Speaks
Of 100000 Contribution.
T. R. PLATFORM ATTACKED
progressive, in Reply, Takes Up
Tariff, High Cost of Living
and Judiciary Reform-His
Dream of the Future.

.hor, a thousand voters listened last
~, IN Terrace Garden TO a debate be-
,rssn Lindon Bates, jr. Progressive can
.,a.te for Congress. and Ogden l.. NILS
n.nrb,ican candidate for Congress IN the
,-.h Congress District, on the merits and
,..,.r,ts Of their respective parties. Al
.sorVh william Jay Schieffelin, chairman
:, Tho citizens Union, Republican VINO
=. Going to vote for Wilson and straus'
-..s,asd as umpire. no official decision
e, rendered as to the merits OF the
.,s,,s argument, a question that was
va, 10 the Independents" in the re-
,ponsive audience.
e;ros Mr. Bates had issued the chal-
,.rye Mr.. Mills opened the discussion'
.,,r,v minutes being allowed each SIDE
..r his opening argument and fifteen
.S,,,,ss apiece for rebuttal Mr. Mills
began:
". are gathered here this evening az
the invitation OF my irleno S W,i9 out q ~
ebe who. what and why is the
rsn,ressiye party, and TO tell the voters
It.h,s district the result OF my inVestl-
q cations. subject TO his correGtlon, -
.lh ~
siV' IL ca he will be disappointed, as
eor,s 10 bury Cesar-not to praise MN.
e9 TN Progressive party. ladies and gem
tiemen, is a huge bubble, blown up oE q
s,.cions which in its stormy course mas
.sised enough dust to conceal the
Vacuum at the storm centre
Party Into Three Groups.
Mr.. Mills divided the members OF the
,n,rd party into three groups-those VINO
have A rrudge to settle or an ambition 10
-.,,.,v those who are constitutionally
onnossd to everything and those well
,r..n,nr enthusiasts who honestly believe
sh.v ara acting for the best. The members
:, IN. third group, he predicted, would
soon rejoin the Republican ranks AS
% the other two" he remarked tine less
said the better" He went on:
The third party is essentially one man
marty, founded on principles SO vague
mat few Of its members realize 10 what
evolutionary lengths they are committed.
rhs astute leader of the movement APP
preciated two years ago that the 0iu
issues would not do, al least as far as he
was concerned.
The Progressive programme Of indus
tia, legislation Mr.. Mills read over, say
ing that with the purposes OF much OF
ne was In hearty sympathy. but he point
ed out that not one of the problems pre-
sented could be dealt with by federal leg
isation under the Constitution.
what, then. Mr.. Bates he asked, docs
that plank mean? Is it the mere promise
o, man who knows his note will never
b4 presented, or will your party try TO
make good. Constitution or no Constitu-
aoa~
: He then took UP the question OF amend
r,g the Constitution TO provide for the
Capitalization Of government advocated by
the Progressives. asking:
But assuming that the overcentran-
sation is wise. are we any nearer TO our
social and Industrial justice?"
He replied to his own question by say
ng that II promised merely a substitu-
ton Of more complex governmental ma
chinery for a comparatively simple sys-
tenn He went on:
still. the colonel is a wonder at sleight
o. hand tricks. and perhaps he can do 1t.
Didn't he get 10000 from the Standard
OIL in his campaign funds
Here BedIam Breaks Loose.
Bedlam broke loose at this point. for
probably a slight majority OF those pres
, snt professed the Bull Moose faith. A
great chorus Of Noes" was succeeded by
equally vocIferous cries Of YES" and then
Kisses. Mr. Mills repeated the question.
hoping to complete his sentence, but iden-
teal interruptions in the same volume
checked him again. so when the second
outburst subsidized he merely continued
- spend IT, and then get It back In
the Standard OIL treasury without their
knowing to this day that IT was back?"
Every Republican. at least, laughed.
The Republican candidate followed this
thrust with an attack upon the plan Of
the Progressive party to legalize monop-
/ oily. telling his hearers that II the power
involved In the control OF the trusts as
(, advocated by the third party were be-
slowed upon Roosevelt 1t would take a
revolution to get him out of Washington.
\ Cheers greeted this statement. He closed
{ BY saying:
I In these days, when II is apparently
\ popular with some people to adopt every
I thing that is novel and reject all that
10 old, irrespective OF its merit. when
/ new parties are formed overnight and
" 10 not sufficient to cut loose from the
I oio, but one must also seek to destroy
" oy fair means or foul, when an I'M
Willingness to rush headlong into the
rev, merely because ii Is new, Is timid-
~, and desire TO be guided somewha az
W experience sinister "stand-patism' I;
when 10 advocate anything and every
,ning is 10 be statesman. and 10 repu-
gate all traditions and TO overturn a
nastoric government is to be patrloI
N such times as these. gentlemen. am
proud OF being a Republican, proud OF
eeionfing to party that is unwilling 70
Scrlnee principle to opportunism, ana
whose glorious past offers g. SUFFICIENT
guarantee for future trust.
Mr.. Bates's Speech.
AZ Bates, in the midst OF great APP
pause and cheering. arose first TO con-
ss'ulate his antagonist upon his speech
40 tnen TO meet the points In his argu-
swat lie began by characteriZinB the
a'puohean party OF to-day as the party
root, Crane, Penrose. Smoot. Guggen-
Nn and others In the nation, and Of
Dshes In the state And from such men,
y 'aid' the people had nothing to expect.
was not, he insisted. what the Re-
ss0ncan party was. but what It is to-
'' mat constituted the issue before the
Ssople He continued:
what 90 the Republicans promise to-
-! In the matter OF the tariff which they