Perrysburg journal. (Perrysburg, Wood Co., O. [Ohio]) 186?-1965, 1912-11-22
'MAN|GAL GIVES
MORE TESTIMONY
SAYS J. 3. MCNAMARA TOLD HIM
ABOUT THE BLOWING UP OF
TIMES BUILDING.
REPEATS THE CONVERSATION
Tells of Plans to Pull Oft Other Ex-
pIosions in West to Divert Sus-
picion From the lnterna-
tional Officers.

Indianapolis, Ind.-For the first
at the dynamite trial in federal court,
told what ]. B. Mcnamara told him
about the blowing up of the Los An
geles Times and other incidents con-
nected with the case. He also testi-
fed to his connection and conversa-
tion with Chicago men after he had
earlier in the day told of plans to
pull explosions in the west while the
Rochester convention was in session
to divert suspicion from the interna-
tional officers.
McManigals early testimony in.
volved Frank M. Ryan, president of
the International Association of Bridge
and Structural Iron Workers, and Ed
ward Smythe, business agent of the
union at Peoria, Ill.
Story of Times Explosion.
happened the second day in camp
while he was hunting in Wisconsin
were told by the witness.
81 had started out alone for a little
lake near camp to do a little hunt
ing" said he. when about a mile
whistled by my ear. Looking across
a gulley l saw j. B., or Sullivan, as
he was known in camp. | went over
to him and he said he had shot at
rabbit.
81 told him that 1 thought he was
taking shot at me. He laughingly
denied it and insisted that he was
shooting at rabbit.
'He said something about the west
and l asked him who the fellows were
that he was working with out there.
/ had seen in the paper about Schmitt
and Caplan. ]. 'B. said that they had
been working regularly with the
building trades council on the coast.
HE told of work he had done at
Seattle and at Oakland. He said that
Schmitt was very talkative and that
he wanted to go with him on the
Oakland job, but he would not let
him. When Mcnamara returned
from Oakland, Schmitt wanted to
know all about when it would come
off.
"And as soon as he was told, he
said, Let's go up and tell old Tviet-
moe about it, and he will give us a
piece of money
-. B. said they went to Tvietmoe's
office, and that the old man pulled
out big roll and peeled off $50 and
gave it to them.
"He said Tvietmoe was the big pay
master on the coast, and that there
was no limit to the money out there,
that whenever they wanted money all
they had to do was to go to the old
man for it.
Tells Getting Explosive.
"He told me about getting launch
changing its name from Peerless to
Pastime, going to the Giant Powder
Co. and getting 500 pounds of nitro
glyoerin and of the trip they made to
San Francisco with it. On the way,
he said, he wanted Smitty to take it
back when he found they had taken a
description of him, but Smitty said,
If anything should happen there will
be nothing doing. P. Fl. Mccarthy is
mayor and Tvietmoe controls him.
~. B. told me that when he got to
San Francisco he went to see Tviet-
to Los Angeles without Smitty or that
Smitty was going without him, and
as he would not work on the Times
job with him.
HE told me he went to Los An
geles, took his suit case with 20
pounds of the gelatin in it, and put
it in Ink alley, and that he went into
the cellar and broke off a gas jet, so
the gas would fill the building, and
that there would be big explosion.
He said he set the clock for 1 o'clock.
But there were lot of people
there, said to him:
Whats the difference? he said
They needed cleaning out.
"Then he said that really he was
sorry there were so many in there
but that he was trying to get Otis,
He told me about putting suit cases
full of the explosive at the home OF
Otis, and of Zeehandler who, he said
was connected with the Merchants
and Manufacturers association"