New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-04-25

ened. remarked 10 mo, ldeNloii'I ''''i'
ned. that II was hardly possible we could
catch the boat He asked ma II thought
il dosira BILE that he send wireless 10 hold
tho Cedric and I said. Most certainly.
Tho telegram was sent. We were al agreed
that IL was the best course and We all ad-
Nised it,
Iirhttollcr declared that when tho tnlH-
gram came from New York saying the
Cedric would not he held. he urged Mr..
Isray to insist upon the Cedric being held.
Says Ismay Regretted Rescue.
.I will say that at that time Mr.. lsmay
was in 10 mental condition 20 transact
business" said Lighttoller. He seemed 10
he possessed with the idea that he ought
TO have gone down with the ship because
there were women who went down. tr!ed
nv best 10 get that idea out OF his head
but could not. told Him that there was
more for him TO do on earth and that he
should not let the idea possess him that he
had done wrong In not staying back 70
drown
The doctor on the Carpathia had trouble
with Mr. Ismay on the same ground. and
am sure that doctor will verify my state
ments.
II was told on the Carpatha that Chief
Officer Wild. who was working at the for
ward collapsiole boat. told Mr.. Isnay there
were no more women TO go. lsmay still
stood back, and Wild. who was a big. pow
erful man. bundled him into the collapsible
boat"
who told you this powerful officer MT
Wild. ordered Mr.. Ismay into the boat?
Ldghttoer was asked.
II don't know" was the answer.
Senator Smith said that in previous testi-
mony the witness had declared he had not
spoken to Mr.. Ismay. This Lghttoler de-
MED. The chairman piled him with ques-
tons.
That is all In my previous testimony.
said the officer. you can find II there.
II know we can find II there" retorted
the Senator. Your memory, however,
seems TO be better to-day than 1t was last
week I'd like TO test 1t out"
Senator Smith tried to discover how long
IL took to get out the lifeboats, and kept
after the witness. who became impatient
under the gruelling.
we did all we could" he declared. Il
consider the men acted well and quickly.
The circumstances ought to be taken into
consideration. We were not at boat drill
We were saving human life"
Didn't Tell Of Telegram Before.
Senator Smith asked Iighttoller why,
when he testified in New York, he did not
tell about the sending OF the telegram from
the Carpathia urging that the Cedric be
held.
II did not say anything about il then be-
cause there had been nothing said about
the telegram at that time" said T.ighttol-
Ter. After that there was considerable
discussion about It in the papers. ] con-
sdered myself largely responsible for the
sending Of that telegram. urged IT,"
How do you know It was sent?"
Because Mr.. Ismay showed IT to me,
said II was sent and showed me the an
swer."
Senator Smith sought to establish the day
on which the witness had conferred with
1smay concerning the Cedric telegram
IAghttoller said he thought 1t was Wednes-
day.
did you know then that the Senate was
going to hold An investigation"
Most certainly not or the telegram
would never have been sent. Our sole idea
was to keep witnesses together for Just
such an investigation. which We knew
would be made In England"
Ldghttoller said II was an open question
as to whether the explosions heard when
the Titanic sank were bursting boilers or
bursting bulkheads
Senator Fletcher wanted 10 know
whether, had the Titanic been going slower.
her danger would have been less. Lghttol.
Ter said she would have been slower on her
helm and had more time I'm which to turn
lie said the ship was travelling the usual
westbound track
DO you know II all the passengers we're
aroused and told the ship was sinking?"
asked the Senator.
NOT That can state accurately. but from
my knowledge Of the pursers and the con-
nitions at the time I am sure that all were
aroused. few minutes before the ship
sank Purser McElroy and his assistants,
Barker and Simpson. came TO me and We
shook hands. 'Goodby. old man. they said.
and i answered ,goodby."
-'Did any Of them survivor"
No. All were lost
Only Two Women on Deck.
Lhshttoller said that s. Hemmings. 2 lamp
man. who was waiting 10 testify before
ms COMMITTEES. walked the length Of the
snip just before she cank and saw only
two women.