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New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
NEW YORK SOCIETY.

Owing TO a slight attack Of tonsillltis,
NI,ss Margaret Thorne was unable to pre-
sid, Yesterday at sherrys at the luncheon
for her bridesmaids, and her place as
hostess was taken by her sister Mrs. Birds
eve Brakeman Lewis who Is TO DC inc
matron of honor at the wedding IL Is
hoped that Miss Thorne will be out by TO-
morrow and that no postponement OF hei
marriage 10 Edward II. earle on Wednes-
dav will be necessary. The luncheon guests
;rcluded IN addition to Mrs. Lewis, Miss
Aileen Osborn. Miss Adeline Townseno'
Miss Anita Thorne, cousin OF the oTlue-
to-be. and Miss Ursula w. Brown VINO
will be her attendants, and MISS caro- "
Rrown. Miss Carol Hartman, Miss Marie
blanche Potter. Miss May Nogel MISS
Dorothy Cramp, Miss Kate Wills MISS
rcycrdolin Condor, Miss Dorothy Nance
Me- Kathryn T. Motley. Miss Estene
o.Rrien. Miss Louise Chapelle and MISS
t,,,h.r,ne Hazard. Tho wedding will take
r,aca IN st. Bartholomew Church and VIII
bo followed by a reception AT the non'o
~ tho brides parents. Mr.. and Mrs. YAK
leigh Thorne. No. go Madison avenue
Nice Ellen II. Rogers, daughter or MT anu
Nrs Archibald Rogers, will be married To-
Io,, N Kenneth Il. Schley, son OF Grant b'
Sci,,ov In ST. James's Church. Hyde Parh'
- Tho bride will have her sister. MISS
NrrIo Rigers. as maid OF honor, ana her
other attendants will be Miss Carol lsrri-
man. Miss Anna Coleman, Miss EllI!
sloane. Mrs. Rae H. Rogers MISS hthel
poosevclt Miss Dorothy Moran, Miss Cor
Lilo Iondon. Miss Dorothy Hyde, MISS
ru,b Wales and Miss Eleanor Greene
,.,.,,,der n Schley will act as his brother
-, man and the ushers Will include thal-
oror schlev. Reeve Schley. Grant B Sehley'
- william A. Larned, George t. Baker
IT, Edmund T. Rogers. Louis CRAWFORD
clark IT.. Max H. Behr, Michael GAVIN anu
c,r,,,aI Reeves. The ceremony VIII be toI-
,,vyod nv a reception at Crumwoid Han the
country place OF the brides parents AZ li!u"
Park. .c,or,o
Aro,her wedding to-day is that of George
L. TIitc jr. OF White Plalhs' anu m
Eunice Mallory. daughter or MT. anu Ni'S
Robert Mallory. at clifton, the Mai!o'S
country place. near Fort Chester Inc orlu .i
otterdants will include Miss Mlloreu Gun
man and Miss Pauline Mason, "hlle IN az
,o,,da,ce on the bridegroom Will be phlnp
u Mallory. Richard +. Hunt ana freu-
crick i. Kobbc.
Mr. and Mrs August Belmont VIII give
,arcv dress dance tonight at their couh-
trv mace in Hampstead in connection win
tho second meet this afternoon or the Ma
tionol Hunt Association at Belmont Park,
A dinner party will precede the dance ana
in this respect most of the friends on Long
island Of Mr.. and Mrs. Belmont VIII fol-
low their example. All the hosts ana
hostesses Will meet afterward at the Bel
mont ball.
The engagement of Miss Adele Garland
sibley. daughter Of the late Mrs. c. W,
s,h,ey has been announced. Her fiance,
+ Graham Cootes, is Nirgnian recently
established In New York as an artist. he
WAS graduated with honors from the Uni
versity OF Virginia. His brother Is Captain
Harry n. Cootes, u. S. A. The wedding
probably will take place July H. at the
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
People and Social Incidents

chapel Of the Cathedral Of 81. John the
Divine The young couple have planned TO
take a long honeymoon trip In Europe.
Sailing to-day from Europe for New
York are James Gordon Bennett. Mrs.
Charles Baldwin. Count Pierre de Well
Castel (whose wife is the only daughter OF
Mrs. Sidney Dillon Ripley, and niece OF
James II. HYDE, George Whitlock and
Mrs. Joseph Pulitzer.
Police Magistrate J. Frederick Kernochan
and Mrs Kernochan havo taken a country
place at southampton, T.. L., for the sea-
SON. Mr. and Mrs. Albert Gallatin will
also spend the summer at southampton.
Miss Mabel Boardman, president of the
Red Cross. will come here the day after
tomorrow from Washington. and will stay
at tho Buckingham.
Among those sailing to-day from New
York IN Captain Charles r. Sowerby, R.
N. who has completed his tern. of duty
as naval attache Of the British Embassy
at Washington. During his stay in this
country he has been a popular and familiar
| figure In New York society as well az at
the capital
| The German Ambassador, Count Won
Bernstorff. will arrive I'm town to-day and
will make his headquarters at the Ritz
Carlton while here.
Among those who arrived from Europe
yesterday on the Mauritania were Mr. and
Mrs Percy r. Pyne, Miss Mary Pyne Mr.
and Mrs. Oren Root. Mr.. and Mrs. William
| Ross Proctor, Miss Voulett T. Proctor, Mr..
and Mrs n. de Berkeley Parsons. Mr.. and
Mrs Henry Forbes McCreery and Robert
Goelet.
Mr.. and Mrs. Roy A. Rainey have closed
their house I'm East sd street and are at
| the Ritz Carlton for a short stay. ---
Mr.. and Mrs Francis Newton have closed
their house in West 18th street and are At
| the Hotel Gotham.
Mr.. and Mrs. J. Borden Hartman will
close their house In East i9th street on
! Wednesday and take possession Of their
country place at Mount Kisco. Mrs. Hsrrl-
man gave a small dinner last evening at
her house.
Mrs George S. Bowdoin and Miss Edith
Bowdoin have returned from Europe and
will leave town on Tuesday for Bar fiarbor
! 10 spend the summer.
| Mr.. and Mrs. W. Scott Cameron lisv.
gone TO their country place at Southsrnp-
ton for the summer.
| Mr.. and Mrs. Alexander n. r. Pratt havs
taken possession Of their house at Islip for
| tho
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
THE VOTE IN SUMMIT.

To the Editor OF Tho Tribune.
Sir: IN your leading editorial Of this
morning YOU refer TO the small vote cast at
the recent primary election I'm Summit,
\. J.. az an average sample among many
published instances of similar action, or
inaction. OF voters. and suggest that the
reason therefor is worthy of careful con-
slderation.
Some Of us Republican voters of Summit
retrained from voting that day because OF
n feeling amounting practically to disgust
with the leading Republican candidates.
TO enter into the reasons for that feeling
would open up interminable discussion. but
the fact that 1t exists, and that 1t Is one
reason for tho small vote may. as you say.
he worthy Of careful consideration {.
Summit, n. j., Dune s. 1912.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
IN WASHINGTON SOCIETY.
frror, The Tribune Bureau. ]

From The tribune BUREAU
Washington, Juno Mrs. Thomas r.
Walsh has gone to her summer place az
Bar Harbor for the season, with her grand
son. VInson Walsh Mclean. Mr.. and
Mrs. Edward Beale Mclean, her son-in'
law and daughter. to-day left Pennsy''
vania. where they have been attending
horse shows, for Ohio.
Mrs. 4. De witt Talmage and her daugh'
ter. Miss Rebecca Collier. VIII go TO New
York tomorrow, and will sail on June ID
10 spend the summer abroad.
Representative and Mrs. Martin W. Lat
Teton left here to-day for their nome al
Port Washington, Long Island.
REPRESENTATIVE and Mrs. stephen b.
Ayres will close their house on Massachu'
setts avenue on Monday and go 10 Spuyten
Duvyil. n. Y. for the summer. Repre-
sentative Ayres will return to await the
close of Congress.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
THE DIPLOMATIC CORPS.
From The Tribune Bureau.l

From The Tribune Bureau.
Washington, June THE German AM
bassador left Washington tonight for Bos-
ton. and Tomorrow he will be the guest
OF honor at the laying OF the cornerstone
OF the Germanic Museum at Harvard he
will return next week
Captain Boy-Ed, German naval attache'
accompanied the German officers TO Hamp'
ton Roads, where they VIII resume theii
commands, sailing for New York.
The Belgian Minister and Nine. Havenith
left here to-day for Bar Harbor, where
they have taken cottage for the summer
The French military attache and Count
ess de Chambrun left here to-day for
visit to Mrs. Nicholas Longworth, the
mother of the countess, in Cincinnati
The Swiss Minister viii go TO Cahaoa
next week for a visit of several days
Baron Preuschen. Austrian naval attache'
has gone to New York to remain for sew
eral days
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
IN THE BERkSHIEEs.
TBy Telegraph to The Trlbunc

BN leleE ldpN 10 he li'puN'.
Icnox. June Mrs. Arthur n. Rice glv'
a luncheon at the Country Club Of Pitts'
field. this afternoon for Miss Florence cot
button and those who are TO attend her
at her wedding to Harry D. Brigham next
Tuesday. Besides Miss Dutton there were
present Miss Jessica Bishop, Miss Carmen
r. NJ. Martinez. Miss Mary L. Brigham.
Mrs. Philip Weston, Miss Elizabeth Cot
Dutton. Mrs William II. Eaton, Mrs Rob
CIT Parker. Miss Elizabeth Watson, Mr.
Pomerov Russell, Mrs. James Hagnr, Mr.
William A. Whittlesey and Mira. Francis
Colt
Henry II. Pease has gone to New York
for a few days.
Mr.. and Mrs. Edwin 7. Rice, Of New
York. opened their country place I'm stock
bridge to-day
Mrs. Morris X. Jesup gave dinrer la't
night at Belvoir Terrace for Mr.. Jo'n
Stewart Kennedy Among other guests
were the Rev Or. and Mrs. 4. y Schaun-
Ter. Miss Amy Townsend, Miss Thayrr ana
Mrs. Carter Brown.
Mrs. John :. Kennedy and her guests
the Rev Dr. and Mrs. sghaufIler who ara
motoring I'm the Hills. departed today for
Vermont.
Mr. and Mrs. Giraud Foster are non Al
Bellefountsine. Mr. Foster and son ar
rived yesterday and Mrs. Foster came TO-
day.
Mr.. and Mrs Joseph ". Choate arrived
IN NaumkeaC. In Stockbridge, to-day py
automobile.
Mr.. and Mrs. William Bayis and Mr. ana
Mrs T.. T.. Gilbert. 81 New York, ana
sherman Hoyt. son of Mr.. and Mrs Jon"
Sherman Hoyt OF New York. are at u'
Red Lion Inn. Stockbridge
Miss Helen Gould. touring with Mrs Ed-
ward r. shaw and Miss Anna TaleiL o.
Irvington. y. V, arrived at the Red Lion
Inn this afternoon. and after luncheon DE-
parted for Springfield, where they passeH
ba nfcbt
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
TOUR FOR MOORISH SULTAN
Mulai Hafg Leaves Fee and May
Go to France.

Fez Morocco, June Sultan Mulai
Hadg. accompanied by the French Minister,
NJ Regnault, and strong escort, left for
Rabat. to-day. whence he will probably
proceed for France. As he passed through
the deserted streets Of the capital the Mo-
roccans glared defiantly from their win
dows.
General Lyautey, the French resident
governor, went to the gates of the city with
the Sultan and expressed the hope that he
would not be molested by the rebel tribes
men.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
THE COLONEL AND THE BOSSES

TO the Editor ~ The Tribune.
Sir. have noticed that Mr. Roosevelt
cnonIv declares that tho bosses are for Mr..
T.rt and the people are for him So far
rs Michigan is concerned. the statement Is
pure fiction.
In this state the bosses arc All FOR the
former President: the leaders OF tho party
are for Mr.. Taft. Tho former president
pursuos the policy of the ancient thlcf'
CRYING through the land, stop THIEF
T.. -. KINNE.
Ann Arhor. Mich, June 4. 1871?
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
POLY PREP" GRADUATES a
Supreme Court Justice Crane Delivers
Address to Glass.

Commencement exercises were held lss'
night by the Polytechnic Prepafs'oss
School. Of Brooklyn. in the chapel OF ,n'
institution. at No. - Livingston 49,. =
Forty-four students received Diplomas
from President Atkinson. p,,
The invocation was made by tne
c. Rexford Raymond. and the ADDRESS ~.
preme Court Justice Frederick f. Crane
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
ENTERTAINED AT EMBASSY
Wireless Congress Delegates
Guests of Whitelaw Reid.
IBy Cable 70 The Tribune. !


London, June S.-The American AM
bassador and Mrs. Reid entertained ~
luncheon in Dorchester House YESTERDAY
most OF the American delegates attend
ing the International Radio-Telegraphic
Congress. Among the guests were Mrs'
Benjamin Brewster, Mr.. and MITE
Charles p Eells, Mrs. J. i. BabcocN'
Mrs. p. A. Jay, Rear Admiral John II.
Edwards, Lieutenant Commander DaN"
Todd, John Hays Hammond, u" Malo'
George o. Squier. William ID. Terrell
Frederick A. holster and Professor W.
L. Moore.
Ambassador and Mrs. Reid lett III 'ho
evening for Buckhurst, Withyham' on
visit to X. III. Benson.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
WAY no BFAT THE MDDLEHAN.

cratos filed with dewy garden truck
and built 10 fit any apartment eve" a."
fiat. will begin to arrive next Weeh'
They will hold vegetables in season iroiii
radisb to caulifOwer. and occaslonai
surprises will be included, such as Der
res and melons. \ concern wh'cii -
trying to show Long Island farmers no"
to market their produce Advantageous
announces that fruits and vegetables
hacked at dawn will he shipped by eA-
press at I O'Clock and delivered at tne
wolf-tbreatened door Of the long suf1er-
inc ultimate consumer in time TOT MS
evening meal From June 10 TO New
Years il is promised that the melting
pea and the halcyon stringless bean snail
cost about one-half the present retail
prices
The Hon. Lew Shank. an auctioncer'Dy
profession. effected reductions In pears
mincc pies and potatoes in Indianapolis
He thinks S5OOOO,000 year could be
saved here if women would patronize
public markets, but woman writes III
"Thc Outlook" that women's time has
"bccomc too precious for such primitive
traffic" Fresh from Farm TO Family
may be a solution of the problem. There
are not enough auctioneerinG mayors to
90 round. New York, once 1t gets the
crate craze. may rival indianapolis, and
indianapolis by catching it may enable
Mr.. Shank 10 devote his attention 10
other things Mayor Gaynor may help
the situation here by producing crate
crops on his Long Island farm. The ex-
press crate is fine; the parcels post crate
will be- better In England it is already
fact.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08

|, similar TO the single fbres of wool. Ihey
hope to introduce machinery by winch 'hc
seaweed may be spun and woven lh'o ma
terlal, and sold at one-sixth oil the price
Of ordinary cloth.
she-Why do you ask for only one KISS ss
He-If you'll give me one !, sial, a pS p Se
TO helm myself to the rest ILLUSTRATED bi's'
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
SLAMS SUMMER LEGATION BURNS

Gloucester, Mass, June THE summer
homo OF the Siamese Legation at East
Gloucester was destroyed by hre to-day,
with a loss OF $4,000. The attaches sue
ceeded in saving the contents of the first
floor. but everything else was lost. The
house was the property Of the Rev. J. ii.
Williamson. Of Cleveland.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08

to him than the social smile ana '''c
glad hand" Tammany ever mas peen "
the sort TO take the cash and let Tue
credit GO If this is TO be a s'rus I,i
within Democracy whether to adop. Tue
prestige or the patronage standard lor
ofiicialdom. it will be interesting even
if it does produce a deadlock as sao as
the recent attempts to elect senator
from this state
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
w. E. CARTER MUCH WORSE.

Philadelphia, June Tt was announced
this afternoon that William Il. Carriers
condition is alarming. Mr.. Carter was
thrown from his polo pony on Wednesday
and sustained conclusion OF the brain and
internal injuries. Until early this morning
Mr.. Carter. who is at the Bryn Mawr Hos
pital. was believed to be on the way to
speedy recovery.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08

Ooned and published daily oV "e
Tribune Association, a Neo YORK. corpo'
ration; Ogden II. Reid, President; Conae
Hamlin, Secretary; James II. Barrett
Treasurer. Address, Tribune Bnild"9'
No. l54 Nassau street. Nelo York
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
From The Reading PENN Telegram


The New-York Tribunes exposure Of the ex-
tortions OF the anthracite coal trust is bearing
fruit The Department OF Justice has ordered a
nationwide investigation OF Exchanges" and
retail associations OF dealers with a view to
determining whether there is monopoly or a
among the operators themselves. This investi-
cation contemplates civil or criminal action
against the coal operators, who have Just de-
cIded 10 take from 20 to 30 cents ton out OF
the consumers OF coal In order to pay 10 cents
a ton more wages TO their miners.
Public opinion is thoroughly aroused In this
matter. Statistics prove that II the operators
scheme is carried on, $4,000 900 additional Will
be wrung from the public every year. There is
no excuse for this barefaced public robbery. for
the last two Increases In price gave coal barons
900 year more than was necessary 10
cover the advance In the cost of mining at that
time.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
THE CABINET.

From The Tribune Buresu.l
Washington, June 1.-The Secretary OF
War and Mrs. Stimson will leave Wash
ington tomorrow for High Hold, their
home at Huntington, Long Island.
The Attorney General and Mrs. Wicker
sham left here to-day with the members
of their household for Marshheld' their
summer place at Cedarhurst, Long lslano'
The Attorney General will return next
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08
AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
IFrom Tho tribune bureau. /

From Tho TrIbune BureaI.
Washington, juno Mrs. Taft to-day
accompanied the President TO Annapolis
where he presented the diplomas to the
graduates.
Miss Taft who spent the early part OF
the week at Bryn Mawr. has gone 20 sea
bright. n. j.. to visit Miss Dorothy WoiH'
a Bryn Mawr student who has been her
guest at the White House.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08

Even the Roosevelt supporters In the
national committee do not seem to he
much impressed with tho merits of some
of the Roosevelt contests.
The Republican party i'm the senate
has been unfortunate recently In losing
by death members the duty Of replacing
whom has fallen to Democratic gov
ernors or Democratic legislatures. Mr..
Elkins and Mr.. Frye wcrc thus sue
ceedcd by Democrats, as was Mr.. John
son, of North Dakota. Luckily tho sue
cessor of Mr.. Nixon. of Nevada, will he
named by a Republican Governor, the
first in that commonwealth in many
years. Had the Legislature been IN sos
sion. however. it would havo chosen n
Democrat, repeating the untoward OK
pcrience in West Virginia, Maine and
North Dakota
Steam sizes " coal go up in price. too.
few extra millions to tho coal COM
hination as a result Of the strike'
\ New Jersey Judge sentences strike
rioters to year in jail and holds an
other individual In 5000 bail for trial
on the charge OF carrying n revolver.
Sentences of this type might discourage
the nourishinG gang industry on this
side OF the river.
Frederick city. Md. IS To erect n mon
ument in i,s chief square to Barbara
Frictchic. That Will he "A fitting rccog-
milton of Frcderick's most famous clti-
zen.
\ philanthropist- surely he can he
nothing lcss-hss offered a dollar q word
for q list ot ono hundred words rs In
spring as list he has made public.
The inspiration FOR many VIII liz not In
tho Mordc but tho
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08

Steam sizes " coal 80 NJ in price. too
\ few extra millions To tho coal COM
hination as a result Of the strike,
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08

Even the Roosevelt supporters in the
national committee do not seem to he
much impressed with tho merits of some
of the Roosevelt contests.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-06-08

O'Brien's hoy Danny lost two baseball
bats. O'Brcn in day or two supplied
the y0ungstcr with third, but accom-
panied the presentation with this warnings
Now, 500 here. Danny; II yez lose this
wan, loke yez did the others. ON take IL
an break II over yer head. so OIL will
Boston Transcript
The Birmingham age-herald. [volume] (Birmingham, Ala.) 1902-1950, 1912-08-06

This has been delightful summer"
said an old citizen. I'VE have had very
few excessively hot days, and even in
the downtown district the nights have
been pleasant.
THE heat is more oppressive In the
north than it is " the far south, and 1t
is coming to be more and more the rule
for Birmingham families who can afford
to take vacations to spend the summer
here and travel for pleasure in the fall
and winter.
Fifteen years ago before | came to
Birmingham to live my home was in a
northern state. I had an idea that the
summers here would be almost unendur-
able to persons not acclimated, but I
found 1t very different. | have spent
every summer here and have never suf-
fered from the heat. 1t is a noteworthy
fact that heat prostrations are unknown
in this part of the country.
Nearly every summer scores of men
die in Chicago and New York from sun
stroke, but the only death reported here
from heat that l recall was that of a
working man who was an Incorporate
drinker"
The Birmingham age-herald. [volume] (Birmingham, Ala.) 1902-1950, 1912-08-06
PATRIARCH of AVIATION
m the London Telegraph.

From the London IeleSrapn.
Leonardo da Vinci has been honored
at the Sorbonne, not as the famous art
list, but as one of the theoretical pre-
cursors of aviation. In his papers dis
covered some 80 years ago he describes
minutely the principles of the aero
plane, and foreshadows the solution of
the problem of fight by the heavier
than air machine.
M Poincaire, in the presence of the
Italian ambassador and other high dig
nitaries, made an eloquent speech on
Leonardo, who was born in Italy and
buried in France.
LEONARDO" he said. was the first to
think of the heavier than air machine.
Better stin, he tried to realize it. and
in the famous drawings of Valenciennes
he represented an aeroplane with wings
of more than 40 feet across. This gives
us an idea of the kind of macine with
which he tried to experiment, and
which must have astonished his con-
temporaries."
The Italian ambassador Sig. Tittoni,
replied, and also mentioned the copy of
the famous "Codex Atlanticus" of Leon
ardo, of which the town of Milan made
present to NJ Loubet in 1904, and
which contains the ingenious designs
for an aeroplane drawn by the artist.
Leonardo da vinci," he concluded, lis
entitled to be called the patriarch Of
aviat iOn"
The Birmingham age-herald. [volume] (Birmingham, Ala.) 1902-1950, 1912-08-06
DIsposING OFF CONTRIBUTION

From the Bakers Weekly
A male student, competing with 80 girls
in bread making contest at the Uni
versity of Nevada the other day, won the
second prize and came very near to get
ting the first. We do not know whether
the young student in question will event
ually make the manufacture of the staff
of life his life's work, but the outcome
of the contest convinces US anew that the
modern woman, no matter whether she
got her education at some university or
some county district school. knows very
little about the art of bread making. The
girls of today rather play tennis or study
lbsen than bother their pretty heads about
bread making. knowing fully we'll that il
they ever get married they can procure
better and more wholesome bread than
they ever hope to produce themselvs