The Birmingham age-herald., 1912-10-19
Went 10 Webber's Place
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 2 o'clock. There was a big mob there while I was drinking my soda and sud- denly they all ran out. l pushed my way to the Metropole where l saw Her man Rosenthal lying on the walk. T leaned over Rosenthal and said: Herman, who did it?' but there was no answer. Herman was dead"
 When Sullivan reached this climax in his story he paused and looked around as if to note its effect Where did you then go to?' resumed MT. Mcintyre.
 ITO the Cadalic hotel, but could not get in because of the crowd. I went back to Webber's, reaching there about 2;4O and saw Rose, Webber, Vallon and Schepps."
 Did you talk with vallon?"
 "Yes"
 What did yallon say?''
 This question was excluded by Justice Golf Your honor," complained Mir. Me Intyre. T want to prove Vallon as an accomplice.'
 NO, no. Justice Golf said, you can't do 1t this way
 Did Vallon, Rose and Webber separ ately ask you at any time to swear or say that Lieutenant Becker was in front of Webbers place with them while you were talking with them?" "Yea" shouted Sullivan, before Mir. Moss could object. This answer was or dered stricken out.
 MT. Mcintyre then addressed the court.
 q want to show by this witness,p he said, that Rose. Wehber. Vallon and Schepps conspired to kill Rosenthal in- dependently of Becker
 Golf Is Obdurate
 The attorney then asked Sullivan if any of the four men named had spoken to him about killing Rosenthal but Justice Golf refused to allow the wit ness to answer. Although the ques- tion was asked, in various forms, a dozen times.
 Did you have a conversation in the lobbies with Jack Rose on July 29?" he resumed.
 Yes"
 'Did Rose say to you that the dis trict attorney was willing to sign stipulation for leniercy or immunity. to anyone who would squeal on Beck er?"
 He did" Sullivan replied.
 "Did he tell you that Vallon, Schepps and Webber were in bad and facing the electric chair unless they gave Becker up?'
 He did"
 Did Rose say to you that they were going to squeal on Becker?"
 Yes"
 Did Rose say to you then. you know Whitman is after Becker and we are going to squeal on him. '
 No, he said they were going to frame Becker up.p
 'Did Rose say to you: That is the only way for us to get out of here, we should frame up Becker, Waldo or the mayor to get out of here?"
 Yes, he did'
  livan turned, appealingly to the court
 Just give me chance, judge" he said. q can tell this thing in 10 min utes if you'll let me"
 Rehearsed Story in Jail
 While Rose. Webber and Vallon were in jail they were always rehears- Ing what they would say in the court room,' Sullivan volunteered. This state ment, too, was stricken out.
 Did you take any part in the mur- der of Herman Rosenthal?"
 Ask MT. Whitman. he knows" Sul- livan replied.
 Rose. Webber and vallon gave him an affidavit saying l did not know any more about 1t than his own baby 'Krause witness for the state says you leaned over Rosenthal's body on the sidewalk and laughed. Is that so?" NO"
 He says you spoke to others about the murder Is this true?''
 Absolutely no.'
 Did webber say to you: T have prom ised Jack Rose 5000 not to mplicate me?'
 He told me that in the Tombs." Did Vallon say to you: If you don't corroborate us you'll never get out, for MT. Whitman will have you indicted for murder in the first degree? "
 Yes
 Before you were indicted, did Web Der say to you. You'd better come in and get the benefit of immunity" He didn't say that; he said"
 Objection to fhe question was sus- tained.
 Sullivan made several attempts to tell what he had tried to say, then turned to Justice Golf.
 Your honor, please let me explain this thing, not only for my sake but for Gods sake"
 The court rapped for order when the spectators Uttered.
 DO you know of any plot to kill Rosenthal at the Garden restaurant on July 1872 continued Mir. Mcintyre. No, if they'd killed Rosenthal that night they'd killed me"
 Did Herman Rosenthal ask you that night to swear to false state ment against Becker?'
 Again Appeals to Court
 Again Sullivan was not allowed to answer and again he appealed to the court.
 You honor" he said, why don't you let me explain this? 1t would only take five minutes. If we keep up this foolishness it will take two hours"
 Did Bridgie Webber say that he had s5O00 and that he would give you half if you'd stick to him?" Yes, and S1000 more.
 Sullivan testified that his brother was present at some of the conversa- tions he had with Rose, Webber and Vallon.
 Did Bridgie Webber tell you two months sbefore the murder that he was going to have Herman Rosenthal mur- dered?"
 This question also was stricken out and Sullivan made another appeal to the court
 "Everything I want to tell has been stricken out he complained, but when I was with the district attorney there was no one to object and they asked what they wanted to-
 Justice Golf allowed Sullivan to say this, and MT. Mcintyre turned the wit ness over to MT. Moss for cross-exam- ination.
 Witness Becomes Cumulative Sullivan immediately became cumulative when MT. Moss asked if he had ever given bail for criminal "offenses''
 'T object to that question: shouted the witness He was directed to answer and said he had given bail only for ''crap shooters but never for anything