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political enga gements. Colone1
 Roosevelt under the pain of probine his wound manifested the fortitude which always has characterized this determined and energetic man. That he said some things in the heat of ex- cltement that were better left unsaid may be forgiven. The circumstances were most unusual and he was labor ing under considerable mental strain The Colonel declared that he did not know who the assailant was or to what party he belonged The former president knew as all Americans know that an assassin belongs to no party. man so far advanced in mental infirmities as this potential murderer is could not have any in telligent political affiliations.
 It is regrettaole also that Colonel Roosevelt should have attributed the assault to the abuse Of his political enemies. No one has ever said worse things about Colonel Roosevelt than he has said about various Democratic and Republican leaders But this as- sault upon the former president was just as eowardly and unpardonabls as that which laid Mckinley low. It ought not to, but the shot will prob ably be more of a political asset than a physical injury to the Colonel. It will add renewed glamor to an already picturesque personality and it will create sympathy and stimulate hero worship anew. This fact was not lost to view by the Colonel himself who, with rare presence of mind, made the most of the affair and worked his press agents over time
 It will be the wish of every true American that the Colonel may make a rapid recovery and be able to con- tinue the campaign. While Americans make much of presidential campaigns, they do not take them nearly so seri- ously as foreigners are led to believe We fight our differences without re- course to violence, and after the elec- tion is over we go about our business in the usual way. Colonel Roosevelt is regarded as the country's most dis tinguished private citizen, and he is entitled to all the protection from such attacks that it is possible to give him. The nation will demand, proper punishment for the wretched cerature who assaulted him.
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en route to Lake Charles Alexandria, and other Louisiana points. From Louisiana Mir Gould ma3o.- tour through Texas, coming back through Arkansas, via TeXarkana, Little Rock and from Little Rock over the Central Division.
 MT. Gould is president of the Vest ern Coal and Mining Company, and several other large coal and mining enterprises and it is an inspection and investigation of these investments for which Mr. Gould is making this ex- tended trip. Kingdom Gould is tn, young son of George Gould, chairman of the board of directors of the Mis- souri Pacifie-Iron Mountain system, and is a nephew of Edwin Gould, chairman of the board of directors of the Cotton Belt, who was in Pine Bluff short while ago, Investigating Cotton Belt interests in Arkansas.
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NATIONAL LEAGUE OF
 BUSINESS MEN

W. R. Messenger, general secretary of taa National League of Business Men for Wilson and Marshall, states that the Executive Comm ttee of the League and the State Presidents in the fcrty-nine {49) States are plan ming to make the League permanent organization. Cleveland H. Dodge, tae President, strongly favofs the plan. Enrolment in the League is only One Dollar and all business men, whether manufacturers, merchants, retailers or iobbers, or engaged in any department of trade or industry, are invited to immediately send their names for enrolment to the Head quarters. of the National Leag of Business Men at the Fifth Avenue Building, New York. r. B. T. Hollen- berg has been appointed vice presi- dent for Arkansas.
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GOV. DONAGnEY WILL
 RUN FOR THE SENATE
HE WILL OPPOSE SENATOR JAS. P. CLARKE AND OLDFIELD MAY
 ALSO ENTER THE RACE.
Senator Clarke is Now Serving His Second Term and Has Made
 a Brilliant Record.

Little Rock, Ark, Oct. 17.-Friends of Gov. Donaghey who are interested in his political future today stated that the governor has positively made up his mind to enter the contest for United States senator in opposition to Senator James P. Clarke, whose suc- cessor will be named in the Demo- cratic primaries to be held in March, 1914. Congressman W. A. Oldfleld of Batesville, stated while in Little Rock a week ago that he also was considering the adyisability of enter ing the contest. Senator Clarke is now serving his second term, having defeated Senator James K. Jones about ten years ago. He has made a brilliant record in the United States senate, and everybody comedies that he is one of the most influential pub lie men in Washington. Associate Justice w. F. Kirby is also being men, toned as a candidate to succeed Senator Clarke, but Judge Kirby has made no public announcement as to his intentions. Senator Clarke will be a candidate for reelection.
 Gov.-Elect Joe T. Robinson, who was recently assigned to make a number of speeches in Iowa by the Democratic national committee, arriv- ed in Oklahoma yesterday and will spend the next ten days campaigning for the national ticket in that state. MT. Robinson is one of the best stump orators in this country, and will doubtless make good record for himself and his party in Oklahoma.
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STATE NEWS.
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NATIONAL CAMPAMN FUND.

Little Rock. Oct. 17.-State Treas urer J. w. Crockett, chairman of the Democratic National Finance Commit- tee for Arkansas, received remittances "Wednesday amounting to about $400, which will be turned over to Commit teeman w. M Kayanaugh to be for warded to the Wilson Marshall head quarters. There has been contributed from all sources less than $S0O0 in Arkansas, and notwithstanding the urgent appeals, it seems that it will not be possible to raise the $2e,0O0 which Arkansas has been asked to contribute.
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GRANDDAUGHTER OF GRUNDY

Little Beck, Oct 1.-The funeral of Mrs Sallie M Murphy, widow of Judge James Murphy, was held at 9:30 a. m. today at St. Andrews Cathedral. She was born near Nash vile, Tenn, September 6, 184S, and married James Murphy at Napoleon, Ark. in 1860. She had lived in Little daughter of Felix Grundy, who was in President Folks cabinet. Two daughters survive, Mrs. Louis An- drews of Helena, and Miss Stella MurEly of Little Rsck.
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------- Q sE( )--------- THE SHOOTING OF ROOSEVELT.

The American public deplores the occasional assaults of murderous cranks upon public men. Those who differ from Colonel Roosevelt and his own political and personal friends deeply deplore the assault made on him recently at Milwaukee. By no stretch of the imagination could any other interpretation Of this vicious act be given than that tho assailant was mentally unbalanced and was actuated to his decd through entirely undircctcd convictions of individual responsibii- ity.
 1t is sincerely gratifying to all true Americans that the bullet intended as messenger of death inflicted only q slight injury that did not even keep the victim from filling his immediate
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CHRISTIAN MISSIONARY
 SOCIETY HOLDS MEETING

Louisville, Ky, Oct. 1.-The for eign Christian Missicnsry Society meeting here with the International Convent on Of tfa Disciples of Christ was conspicuous in the program for today. The seciesy was to hold three meetings, one this morning, one this afternoon, and tne closing session to- night. At all the meetings a program of talks by m ssionarie5 has been ar ranged.
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TO INyESTIGAE ESCAPE OF CON
 VI(HrS.

Little Rock, Oct 17.-supt. J. A. Pitcock, of the State Penitentiary went to the Arlbcrg convict camp Wednesday to investigate the escape of Yates Standridge and the five oth- CT convicts, Frank Walker, Tom Pow ell, Fred Forest and c. B. Ellis. So fisf as reported none of < them has' been re-captured. Tho man hunt is being conddcted by MT. Pitoock as- sisted by tIie sIleriffs of Van I}uren, Stone and neighborins counties, w,.h
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rwEEDY WILL HAVE OPPOSITION

Little Rock, Ocs 17.-Police Judge w. M. Tweedy, now serving his first term, will have opposition in Jan uary. A. L. Herrick has already an- nounced his candidacy. w. M. Ran- kin, chief humane officer may run. Attorney oscar Vim has also an nounced his intention of making the race in fact, has already commenced his campaign. It was Winn whom Tweedy disbarred from his bar and fined and imprisoned for contempt, the Supreme Court last Monday set ting aside the proceedings and in ev- cry way exonCrating him.
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DIR. DIBRELL DYING

Little Rock, Oct 17.-Dr. Edwin R. DitmeIl, one of the most dist:n- gu saed physicians and surgeons of Arkansas, critically i'll at his home in ttIis city, and very litsie hope is entertained of his recovery. He con- tinues conscious and appears perfect .ly resigned He has a nat onal rep utatioE as a surgeon.
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Attorney Asa c. Oracle, who is in
 the rational capital in an effort to prevent the approval of the Free Bridge plans, that "tnasmuch as the bridge did not interfere with naviga- ton no obection would be made by the War Department" to it's consltwuc- ton, if the plans are submitted to the Department within a year from the passage of the bill authoriz .ng it. Mr Oracle filed a formal protest with the Department against the con- str,1elien of the bridge at Pine Bluff. His main ground is that the building of the bridge would Increase the taxes in this county s60,G00 year.
 Mr Oracle. further says the special, will ask the Department of Justice 50 issue an order preventing the ad- vocates of tie structure from be- ginning work. However, there is lit tie prospect of the Department of Justice taking hand in tie affa r, lul biiNl StatCO ShC ffopiiillSo SCi respondent. "It seems that all that is necessary fer the construction of the bridge is the passage of another bill by Congress and for the work to begin and proper plans submitted within a year after it's passage"
 So later developments place an entirely different view on the Free Bridge situation at Washington. MT. Oracle wired President Collier tae other night taat the Department had refused to approve the plans and that s15 ,G50 had been reported by the en- gineers as having been expended al- ready by tn Bridge Commission in the Free Brodge movement here.
 It appears that another m sregres- entation has been made by the Tax payers attorney in an effort to win sentiment against the Free Bridge and, if possible, to put danper on the preliminary work that is already being done by the Bridge Commission at tl4a bridge ste. But little credence
 was given the message from Wash ington by tht Commissioners, who
 were Thoroughly in touch with the situation. and who declared that they had beard nothing of the refusal of the War Department to approve the rIo,,, fo,, ,r,o J,roo 4Il,@ilcra
 MT. Oracle contradicts himself when he says the Department had acted unfayorably, and The let the cat {; out of the bag" when he files a pro- test with the Department against the approval of the Free Bridge plans. If the Department had refused to ap-
 prove the plans, as MT. Oracle rep
 resented, why is it necessary for him
 to continue to protest against thc~ approval?
 Further efforts of the few remain ing Taxpayers Association members and attorneys to prevent the building of tie Free Bridge are useless. Mis-
 representa- on will certainly not have the desired effect. The engineers are at work making all preliminary sur veys and clearing the right of way to bse bridge approach, preparatory to beginning actual construction work. The Free Bridge will be built. This
 vas settled long ago and the oppo- sitioa to it has almost completely Disappeared.
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NEW .lRGENTA PAPER

Little Beck, Oct. 17.--T. M. Noc&s, for many years edit.r and publisher of the Beebe News, has located in Ar gen,1, where ne expects soon to es- tabl:sh new paper He is betsef known to tn fraternity as "Buck" Woods.
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(Adyertisement.)

The Graphic is authorized to an- nounce Simon Bloom as a candidate for election to the office of mayor or Pine Bluff, his candidacy being sub jcct to the ac.ion of the voters at the Democ ratio primary election.
 Advertisement
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FOR POLICE JUDGE

The Graphic is authorized to an- nOunce J. R. lSunny) STEWART as a candidate for reelection as Police Judge, subject to the action Of the Democratic Primaries.
 Advertisement )
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posses. They are desperate men, and it is expectel will put up stiff fight when cornered.
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.l1sY TREASIIRER

flie Graphic is authorized to an n6llllce Mi. Henry Roberts as d call- d{Gnfe Tor City Treasurer, subect to flic acticn Of the city primary.
 tAdserti6emeHt.l
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ANNOUNCEMENT. X
FOR MAYOR

The Graphic is authorized to an nounce DIR. A. c. JORDAN as can didate for reelection for Mayor of Pine Bluff, subject to the Democratic Primary.
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P1Ess AGENT's STORY.

I'ffxs dispstciies iron, Washington,
 Yeeterday stased elnphatically
 a lal. n army engineer
Pine Bluff daily graphic., 1912-10-18

Thc Graphic is authoried to an Ipunce F. A. Shepp8rd as a candidate f3r reelection as alderman from the 5 the action of the Democratic primary e1ectl0n.
 Advertisement
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The Graphic is authorized to an 110unco J. Frank Franey as candi- dafe for aldelman from the First xHf6, l1is candidacy being subject to the action of the Democratic primary.
 Advertisement )
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FOR ALDERMAN

Tie Graphic is authorized to a1l- nsunce Rudolph Wolff as candidate for, reelection as alderman from the Fourth ward of the city, subject to the action of the Democratic primary election
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Pine Bluff daily graphic., 1912-10-18

The Graphic is authcried to an nou1ce F c. Chesnutt as a candidate for reelection as alderman from tht First ward of the city, subject tt tilc action of the Democratic prilrar, election.
 Advertisement.
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1912-02-09
STEWART SAYSSHAWA|I SHOULD
join WORK With PHILIPPINES

NJ Y. Stewart. director of prisons
for the Philippines, and now on a
long leave of absence bound for the
States TO boom the philippines and
their interests, left this morning on
the Shinyo Maru, and left with tho
well-deflned idea that Hawaii and his
own islands should work together.
He will be absent In the States for
a year. Headquarters are to be open
ed In New York City and bureau of
information 10 he established.
THE Philippines are the victim of
a great deal of ignorant misrepresen-
tation," he said yesterday. Nothing
good Is heard about them and every.
thing bad.
at Is even spread abroad and re-
peated by those absolutely unacquain-
ted with the facts that the Philip
pines are costing the United States
barrels of money. whereas the facts
are that they are sclf-supporting and
have been We haven't had n bust
ness failure In two years, and that
shows the wonderful progress and sta
bility Of island business
Mr.. Stewart spent large part of
his time hero yesterday in conference
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1912-02-09

with Chairman II. T. Wood of the Ha.
wall commission to the San Francisco
exposition. As a result of a confer
ence yesterday afternoon, II Is an
nounccd that Hawaii and the Philip
pines will cooperate In working for a
Federal appropriation for buildings at
the exposition. Mr.. Stewart believes
the people of the Territories and pos
sessions should join In asking ample
appropriations.
Hawaii and the Philippines havo
much In common and should work to-
gether In promotion ways" said Mr.
Stewart yesterday. "The work for
tourist traffic 10 the one will help the
other.
"Hawaii'B capital Is becoming large
ly interested In Philippine sugar anu
the commercial interests of the two
countries are bound to be mutually
large and beneficial. We should worl,
together.
Manila Is making remarkable
strides, In common with the whole isl
ands. With the development of ware
houses to handle the commerce ~ the
east. Manila will be the greatest city
In the Orient In every modern way
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1912-02-09
"AVAST S|NG|NG!" ROARS SONNY
CUNHA ON GOOD ship "PINAFORE"
stand by to man that second Choir

stand by to man that second Choir
us!"
Lay TO, We lubbcrs, lay to-"
"Avast singing"
"IIeavo the organ. professor"
Meanwhile Director General Arthur
wall smiled genially to himself and
o hers aud murmurod that II wasn't
half bad" and Chairman VIII E.
Young, of the water carnival commit
tee, who played in "Pinafore" hero
many years ago, sat on the main
hatch and rcmnisccd.
There was quite crowd Of spccta-
tors who are helping out the Floral
Parade In various ways, and all were
delighted with the plans for this part
of the big carnival. II remains now
for the chorus to work out their
dances and get little more familiar
with the songs, for the principals In
complete their stage business" and
then there will be production worth
travelling many miles to sec.
It's all going to he right on the
ship. The Mohc,n will be anchored
at the United States Naval slip and
the seats will he erected on the Ala
kca dock. The spec ators from the
tiers of seats can look right down
upon the deck as II II were regular
stage. aud can see Little Buttercul
and Josephine and Hebc and Dici,
Dcadeyc and Ralph Rackstraw and all
the rest ?f EN-.
The seat sale will open at . o'clock
tomorrow morning at the Territorial
Messenger Service. Union street. Di-
rector Wall says that It's best to be
early.
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Jack TarS and Sailor LaSSies
Hold Rehearsal On
a Real Deck.
Jimmy Wilder ahoy!'
ooh. you Dick Deadcye!"

Jimmy Wilder ahoy!'
"Oh. you Dick Deadeye!"
Get off the ship. you landlubber!'
AHA, captain, slarh open the strong
boxes ard hale forth the soda wa.
ter"
II sounds like short chapter from
a dippy-houso. doesn't II? We'll, II IL
only sample of what went on last
night when Honolulu's big bunch o
amateurs engaged In producing pima.
fore" got together last night on board
the bark Mohican, anchored at the
old Prewcr wharf, and held their first
real shipbo,rd rehearsal.
The ancient and venerable bari
was transformed. A stage had beer
erected just abaft the fo'c'slc, Il
that's the right lingo and with the
assistance of few electric lights ant
a tonsilitic organ that sounded like &
Mackenzie bagpipe, the immortal op
era was rehcarscd under condition,
that would have given Gilbert a. Sui
Ivan n distinct shock, but would, OF
The whole, have pleased them be
cause II was very realistic.
Even to the footlights. A row o
footlights has been planted on tn,
starboard side of the gallant bark
and the gallant caplain and his gal
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1912-02-09
MOVEMENTS OF
MAIL Steamers
VESSELS TO ARRIVE
Saturday, Feb. 10.

Saturday. Feb. 10.
mn, al, w,, Mama Kea.
,,,,,.
co,,,,o Tbous n q 8
x.,,,i ,,r,. Noonu atmr. 8
-, :,
~ All r,, All
MAUI n'o'o""' """ ''
Aaia,a, o.n, y,. .,,
ha"h po' "
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1912-02-09
VESSELS TO DEPAPT
Friday, Feb. Q.

Friday, Feb. o.
Hawaii via Maui ports
'stmr., y. m.
Saturday, Feb. 4
Salna Cruz via Island pc
sourian, All. S. S.
'-,a Monday,-Feb. IA.
Hongkong via Japan pei
Maru, Jap. stmr.
Tuesday. Feb. 10.
Manila via Guam Sherman,
S. A. T.
Hilo via way ports-Mauna Kea,
stmr., 10 a, m.
Maui, Molokai and Lanai ports -
Mikahala, stmr., p. IN.
Kona and Kau ports Kilaues,
stmr, noon.
Kauai ports-Kinau, stmr., p. m.
Wednesday. Feb. ID.
Japan and China ports on world
cruise Cleveland, Ger stmr.
Thursday, Eeb. rs.
Kauai ports - W. g. Hall, stmr.
8 y. m, - .-..,,-. ..
Friday, Feb. 16.
Maui and Hawaii ports Claudine,
stmr., 8 y. m.
Saturday, Feb. II. =
San rancisco-Siberia, p. NJ s. S.
Tuesday, Feb. 20. --v,rr-,
Hongkong via Japan ports--Persis,
p. NJ. S. s.
Ililo via way ports - Mauna Kea.
stmr., 10 a, m.
Maui, Molokai and Lanai ports
Mikahala, stmr, 8 y. IN.
Kauai ports - Kinau, stmr., 5 D. M.
Kauai ports 49, Noeau. stmr., p. m.
Wednesday, Feb. 81.
Hongkong via Japan ports-HIong.
kong Maru, Jap. stmr.
San ranclsco-Lurline, NJ. N. s. S.
Friday, Feb. 20.
Kona and Kau ports Kllauea
stmr., noon.
San Francisco p. NJ. S. s.
Monday, Feb. 26.
Hongkong Via Japan ports-Korea,
p. M. s. S.
Tuesday, Feb. 81.
Victoria and Vancouver - Makura,
CA. s. s,
Wednesday, Feb. 20.
San Francisco-S Sierra, o. s. s.
San Wilhelmina, NJ N.
IS. s.
Australian and New Zealand ports
Mariana, CA. s. s.
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1912-02-09
Oahu Railway Time Table
Outward.

For Waianac. Waialua, Kahuku and
Way Stations--'9: 10 "a. ~, 1920 p. m.
For Pearl City, Eva Mill and Way
Stations-t7:30 a. m, '9:l5 a. m,
'll;SO a. m, '2:l5 p, m, 1920 y. m,
'6;l5 y. m, 1890 p. m. THIS p. IN
For Wahlawa and 20
a, m, 'j.l5 y, m, 1880 p. m. HE'S
D. IN
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1912-02-09

bsllet.a phone numbers are,
Rssiaass eaes ssSa
EAitsriaI 0ssns Elsa
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1912-02-09
MAILS

Mails are due from the following.
points as follows:
Yokohama--S Siberia, Fob. 10,
Sna Francisco Tenyo Maru, Feb. ~
Victoria Mariana. Feb, IS.
Colonies-Makura Feb. ~.
Mails will depart for the following
points as follows:
Yokohama-Tenyo Maru. Feb. ~.
Vancouyer-Makura Feb, ~.
Colonies-Marama, Feb. 2s.
San Franclsco-Siberia, Feb. II.
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l~aar nn,a"pc
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1912-02-09
Inward.

Arrive Honolulu from Kahulku, Wal
alua and Waianae-'S. &c a. M, "5:3i
y. m,
Arrive Honolulu from Eva Mil and
Pearl City-f7:i5 u m, 1886 n. m,
'll;Gs u, m, '1;40 p. M, a. 20 p. m,
1871 y, m, 1880 p, m.
Arrive Honolulu from Wahiawa aud
Lcilchua-9:l5 a. m, fl.4O y. m,
1871 y, M, tl0:10 y, N.
The IIaleiwa Limited, two-hour
train touly first class tickets hon
orcd), leaves Honolulu every Sunday
at S:3G n. m; returning, arrives in
Honolulu mt 1910 p. m. The Limited
stops only at Pearl City and Waianae
outward, and Waianae, Waipahu and
Pearl city inward.
fDaily, iSunday Excepted. tSun-
day Only.
G, +, DENISON, +, c. SMITH,
Superintendent. G. =. A.
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1912-02-09
TOYO .KISEN KAISFfA


Steamers Of the above Company will
about the dates mentioned below:
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c. Brewer & Co., Ltd.
CHIPPING, COMMISSION AND
GENERAL MERCHANTS

OFFICERS AND DIRECTORS
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1912-02-09
REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS.
Entered for Record February ?, 10

Entered for Record February z, 1912.
Western & iIawn Invstmt Co Ltd
to Marie II ID Brown .......... Rel
Marie II ID Brown to Guardian
Trust Co Ltd ................. NJ
Lukimila tw) to Dick X Diamond
II III '.''s''.'..., ..',.,....... IL
III Warehouse Trust Co Ltd to a
a Young. tr ............R Rel
Henry + Damon to Oliver q Lam
sing .................... ID
oliver G Lansing to Henry + Da-
mon ''''''''.''''''.. NJ
Entered for Record February 8, 1912.
Grace ID Merrill and hsb to Lyle