The Hawaiian gazette., 1912-10-04

blind pigs and otherwise, and this would
have u lad effect on the labor. The in.
PRODUCTION OF liquor was injurious to the
plantations
The secretary inquired Mr.. Thurs
ton s opinion as to the advisability Of
a public utilities commission. Mr..
Thurston thought this would be bene-
fetal, " IL were appointed by the Gov
crnor with the consent of the senate.
If it was to be elected, he believed il
would be disastrous move. The secre-
tary thought this might be determined
by an improvement Of the electorate.
Mr.. Thurstou replied thrt water cannot
rise above the level of its source
The Secretary said n good deal of op-
position had been expressed to him
about the secrecy with which the plant
ers association had carried on their
scientific work at their experiment sta
ton with regard to sugar, matters
which were believed to be of general
public interest. lie asked Mr.. Thurs
ton S opinion MS to this matter. Mr..
Thurston said the planters had been
extremely liberal in loaning their en-
tomoopists to the Territory to carry on
certain Investigations. As to the pub
betty of scientific investigations which,
hNNOlullE w lHt ANNNlNNdlNG Hhu hue
been made, MIR. Thurstou said this was
n sore point with him. Until seven or
eight years ago results had been given
to the public but were now only
given to the members of the associa-
ton. For many years Mr.. Thurston
said the results came out in the Plant
ers Monthly. He said the present
policy was dictated by the fear that
competitors would benefit by the plant
ers experiment Investigations This
was mistake in his opinion. He be-
lieved scientific results should be made
ms public as possible.
The Secretary said he had found
considerable feeling about this matter.
People with whom he talked regarded
it ms selfish and said that small cane
planters got no benefit. Mr.. Thurston
said, in his opinion, it was an unwise
policy.
As to copartnerships between cor
porations, reference to which was made
in relation to the Haiku and other
Maui interests, Mr.. Thurston said he
had nothing to do with drafting the
measure which was passed by the legs-
lature but knew of what was done and
why. He told the history of the Haiku
and Paia copartnership, saying that
one plantation had plenty of land and
little water and the other plenty of
water and little land. The partner
ship was made in order that both
would get the benefit of the advantages
which each had. The thousand-acre
clause prevented their amalgamation.
Mr.. Thurston said he understood that
it was law that corporations could go
into partnership if their charters per
mtted it or the law authorized it. The
law passed by the legislature met the
situation on Maui. The result was n
copartnership called the Maui Agri-
cultural Company. 1t was not identi-
cal with the formation of five com
ranies referred to in Mr.. Goodale's
statement as to Waialua Agricultural
Company, although, in fact, five other
corporations had joined in the partner
ship between Haiku and Paia.
Mr.. Hemenway stated that w. o.
Smith and A. Lewis, Jr, as attorneys
for this plantation, had charge of this
general matter and developed n plan
for a measure to meet their conditions.
He understood that Mr.. Smith consult
ed with the United States district at
torney concerning the measure and
there were also other matters which
the ulsJIlcL aIlOIHty WIS CoHSulIcu
about for a private consideration.
Mr.. Thurston explained the reduc
tion in price paid by the Olaa Sugar
Company to growers of cane sold to the
plantation. He stated that when the
company was first organized, liberal
terms were granted to the white home
steaders, one reason being to keep them
in the district. The terms were so lib
eral, however that with one exception
the homesteaders subleased to Japa-
nese and became. absentee landlords,
and derived a considerable revenue out
of their rents, the actual growers max
ing only such as they would ordinarily
get from other plantations where they
were direct contractors with the mill
owners. Mr.. Thurston said that he,
Mr.. Dillingham; and A. w. Carter, the
promoters of Olaa, were rather idealists
in this matter and wanted to build up
white homestead population, but had
failed to accomplish it. The plantation
in its thirteen years of existence had
never paid "A dividend. The plantation
was not as cheaply cultivated as some.
However, he considered it good in
vestment II had a bonded indebted
ness of 100000 and a floating debt
of about 100000.
As TO the japanese question he did
not believe it was n dangerous one
here. The second generation were be-
ing made more American than Japa.
nese and they were a good deal more
independent than the first generation,
and would make as conservative voters
as the present electorate in Hawaii
Kinney and the Dynamited Safe.
Mr.. Thurston asked to make n state
ment on behalf of Mr.. Kinney, who
was absent from the Territory; that
he had known Mr.. Kinney since he was
"'knee high to the table," that he was
one of the ablest and most public
spirited men the speaker had ever
known. and should be given the bene-
fit of the doubt as to any charge made
against him in his absence; that as to
the charge that Kinney had illegally
dynnmited safe TO secure evidence of
q criminal offense, Mr.. Kinney had per
sonally told the speaker the eircum-
stances as follows:
Kinney was prosecuting criminai
charge and needed certain documentary