The evening world. [volume] (New York, N.Y.) 1887-1931, 1912-11-30
BURNS DELAYED
DYNAM|TEARRESTS
FOR FIVE MONTHS
Had Evidence in November,
but Waited Until April to
Take the McNamaras.

INDIANAPOLIS, Nov. 3o.-Questions
why James b. Mcnamara, dynamiter
of the Los Angeles Times building. was
not arrested until nve nonths after his
Identity became known were put by at
torneys for the defense at the dynamite
conspiracy" trial to-day to Raymond J.
Burns. son Of the detective who man
aged the arrest.
Raymond Burns had testified that ne
had learned Of McNamara's guilt on Nov.
2. 1910. one month and one day after
twenty-one persons were killed at Los
Angeles, and that on Nov. his opera
lives got In personal touch with the
dynamiter, afterward "shadowdng him
for a month In the Wisconsin woods.
The arrest followed on April Il, 1911.
You say you knew early In Novem-
Der that the man in the Wisconsin
woods Swallowed by your men was the
dynamiter OF the Times Building.
Why didn't you arrest McNamara right
there and then?" asked Attorney will
lam N. Harding.
because we were trying to get the
men really responsible for the explo-
sion," answered the witness.
AFTER THE MEN HIGHER UP IN
THE UNIONS.
You mean men higher up in the
union?"
''Yes. SIR"
you say you knew at the time that
Ortie 4. Mechanical caused explosions
at Peoria, Ill. Why didn't you arrest
McManigalf'
For the same reason. We were after
the men higher up
The witness then related how he "lost"
McManigal. who meantime had caused
another explosion at Los Angeles, and
how James b. Mcnamara had covered
up his tracks." Afterward, the witness
said. the trail led to the Offices of the
International Association Of Bridge and
Structural Iron Workers. and detectives
for weeks watched who connected
with" J. B. Mcnamara, secretary Of the
union.
Raymond Burns also told to-day of
more conversations he said he had with
Herbert s. Hockin. indicted secretary of
the ironworkers' union. Burns described
Hockin a. spy" within the ranks Of
the union of'icials.
In February. 1911. Hockin again met
me In Chicago" said Burns. II In
quired for details about the Los Angeles
explosion. Hockin said ne had learned
that Olaf A. Tveatmoe Of San Francisco
was paying money to NJ. A. sehmid,
through Ed Nockeis. q union ofilcial In
care OF David Captain. Captain and
Schmidt were the ones who. Hockir
said. had Helped J. B. Mcnamara blow
up the Times Building.
''Hockin also stated that In the pre-
vious November J. J. Mcnamara had
met Tveitmoe at St. Louis. when Il was
| arranged for three more explosions In
Los Angeles. The next month told
Hockin there had been some other ex.
plosions about the country and asked
about them. He said he knew nothing
| Of them"
PLOTTED TO GET RID OF pETEc
TIVE BURNS.
Raymond Burns also described "sha.
dowing' J. b. MCNAMARA and McNfani.
gal to Toledo and to Detroit where n.
with three other detectives arrested
the dynamiters on April Il. 1911.
when Hockln told you Tveltmoe ant
Anton Johannsen were planning to blow
up w. ]. Burns In San Francisco o.
Seattle by putting bomb In his room
did Hoclxin tell you the source Of hi
information?" asked Attorney William
N. Harding for the defense.
"Hockin told me ne had learned from
IL. J. McNamara that they we're plan
ming to get rid of w. J. Burns on tn
Pacific Coast. w. J. was then still OF
the coast investigating the Times ex
piosion."
Threats OF death for telling about ex
plosions were related by Mrs. Alta NJ
Hawkins at the dynamite conspiracy
trial to-day. Mrs. Hawkins, attende
by a nurse and suffering from injurie
received in a recent shooting. was car
RED into court on a cot.
A few days before four explosion
caused a loss OF $1,000 on the propert
of Albert Won Spreckelsen in Indiar
! apolls in 1903, Mrs. Hawkins testiie
she was told by Ernest q. w. Base!
: an ironworkers union official, thu
; something was going to happen o
,. Jobs where non-union workmen wei
employed.
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