The Birmingham age-herald., 1912-10-05

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 When use of the word practical is taken to indicate some improper mo- tive on the part of the user. then l think there Is some moral weakness in the man who makes the accusation,' MT. Roosevelt asserted
 Then he read the letter He said it was absolutely incompatible with a suggestion "of my getting aid from Mir. Hartman In any way On De- tober 20, 1904, Colonel Roosevelt said MT, Hartman had telephoned to Sec retary Loeb who told the President that MT. Hartman wanted to see him about the New York state campaign which was running poorly. Witness said he made the appointment through Secretary Loeb at Harriman's request.
 Loeb was present throughout almost all of the interview" witness assert ed. There was no possibility of mis- understanding. l mention this because I have seen that some well meaning but fiabby persons have said there might have been misunderstanding between MT Hartman and myself"
 Witness said at the time of the Har- riman contribution there was no doubt of the national ticket carrying New York, but that the state ticket was in difficulties.
 There was not one word spoken by MT Hartman or me having any sig nificance to the collection of funds for the national campaign witness averred. Out on the other hand the talk was to the effect that the ma tiona1 convention was safe and aid should be given to the state campaign.
 Another Hartman Talk
 Colonel Roosevelt testified that he had subsequently, had talk with MT. Hartman. who favored the appoint ment of former Senator Depew as am- bassador to France, but when he told Mir Hartman that other financial men were supporting James H. Hyde. MT. Hartman began to retire. Colonel Roosevelt said he made 1t clear that Mir Hyde was too young for the inn portant post. He said he had told him he had not won his spurs.
 ''I wish to call your attention to the fact that Judge Duell and MT. Sheldon have testified and that MT. Bliss likewise said that the money was not raised by MT. Hartman for the national campaig ign, but that it was raised by Mir Bliss to aid Mir. Hartman in the state campaign said witness. Loeb, was present during the interview between MT. Hartman and myself, and heard every syllable Har- rman asked me to get Mr. Corteyou and MT. Bliss to help raise funds for the New York state campaign. l never asked MT. Hartman directly or indi- rectly for one dollar to help in that cam paign or any other
 Colonel Roosevelt said he wished to correct his statement regarding his in- terview with Hartman. MT. Hartman told me the national committee had plenty of money and told him l knew nothing about that said witness. His request to me was that l ask the national com mittee to give money. not that I ask the national committee help to raise money. He said the national committed already had plenty of funds"
 Witness then discussed Judge Alton B Parkers statement in 1904 in his testl- mony and declared that repeated mis- statement charged to him was that he had said corporations did not contribute to his 1904 campaign.
 Never Denied Contributions T never made the statement that cor porations had not contributed to the re- publican party he said emphatically. Witness said his recent letter to Chair man Knapp and his openly published statement made it clear that he (Roose velD had never denied that corporations had contributed, but he denied that cor porations had been hackmailed into con
 
 | kind of favor for contributing. i The ex-President had secured the wort of Bliss and Cortelyou that the state ment was a fact before he made it, Cor poration contributions were not consd cred improper in 1904. 1900 and 1896, h. said, and 1t was public knowledge tha they were being made. For an hour tn, witness had talked. practically withou interruption. Half a dozen questions b, Senator Clapp started him and thereaf ftel there was no opportunity for qualifying or equivocating of questions. He gesticu lated freely when he declared corpora tions had donated freely in 1904 to botl | sides.
 Now l wish to take up the testimon, of MT. Archbold and Senator Penrose, said Colonel Roosevelt. q wish to cal your attention to this fact in connection with the statements of MT. Archbold a, in the case of MT. Hartman. Each tes 1 tified he got no improper consideration from the administration. MT. Archbolt and Mir Hartman alike complain no that the administration did what it ough not to have done. but that which thu administration refused to do. MT. Arch bold testified that Cornelius N. Bliss, wh, | xaJ fA ,Iac cIr, Ia