The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1912-10-05

the people. ] VIII send Ter him. nave
sent for trust mAgnates ana prise dght.
ers. I have sent for John l. sullivan
Battling Nelson and DR.. Lyman Ab'
bott." he added. with laugh that
| brought response from the ero~d
III ever find my virtue is SO frail II
won't stand being brought In contaet
with trust naagnates. labor leaders or
any one else. III get out OF paoiic
life"
Did you say you sent for John H.
sullivan asked Senator Paynter WIN
a smile Il thought he was mas
been and | did not know yau were IN
that class"
well. as 10 sullivan and Nelson.
think they came TO see me- he said.
sullivan was big man and good
man. l think they came to see me
tn. mselves" the Colonel said ION some
questions of great public policy. here
a burst OF laughter rang out.
"Of course, there may nave oee,'
some personal interest in it he addea'
laughing.
The "Harrlman Business.'
Now about the Hartman business
said the colonel II feel that there
oucht not be need for any intelligent
man 10 ask any question after reading
the letters wrote at that time Here
he took up letters to Mr.. Hartman
and defended the use Of the term
practical men" in the much discussed
letter Of october II. 1905. He said ms
effort was to get practical men INV
politics. .,;.
car is taken to indicate some I'm
nroper motive on the part OF the user;
then / think there 10 some mo,A
weakness in the man who makes .n'
accusation" declared the Colonel en-
nhatica,ly. Then he read the letter
I'D declared that II was absolutely
incompatible with su2Sest'on "
my getting aid from Mr.. Hartman In
On october 20. 1904 colopel Roose,
welt said Mr.. Hartman had telephones
10 Secretary Loeb who told the f'ss
ANT Mr. Hartman wanted to see MN
.hont the New York state campaign
which was running badly the
Colonel said he made the appointment.
through Secretary Loeb at Harr'"a"
request. ..-.,~hout
"Mr. Loeb was present througnous
almost all Of that interview:
was no possibility OF any hanamse
49,. seen that some well meaning, pus
f,abby persons have said there ms
hsvn been a misunderstanding between
Mr.. Hartman and myseh. =. .he
Colonel Roosevelt SAID dnat a. vas
time the Hartman contriou.ion
t;ona, ticket carryIn New YORK out
that the state ticket was IN oi"cui
ties. ,,,rs .noken
by Mr.. Hartman or me navlnk a ~,
reference to the collection OF tunus .nn.
trary. the entire conversation was 70
the eject that the national campaign
wa. safe and that aid should be given
to the State campaign.
Mad Axe to Ground.
Colonel Roosevelt said he has sub
seouentiy had a talk with Mr.. Har.
riman who favored the appointment
Of former Senator Depew as amDassa-
dor to France: but he toid MI. na
man that other financial men were
supporting James m s, "a: h yster"
Colonel Roosevelt added he maoe
IL clear that Mr.. Hyde was too young
for the important diplomatic post ana
had not "won his spurs"
Il wish to call your aItentiSn ~
the face that Judge Dueu ana pr:
Sheldon both have testified and thas
Mr.. Bliss stated. that the money was
not raised by Mr.. Hartman Tor the
national campaign. but that was
raised by Mr.. Bliss to help out MI M.
Hartman in the State campaign. Mr.:
Loeb was present during the interview
/ between Mr.. Hartman and myself ana
heard every word.
"Mr. Hartman asked me to get Mr..
Cortelyou and Mr.. Bliss to help raise
paign. never asked Mr.. Hartman
directly or Indirectly for dollar to
help in that campaign or any other.
Colonel Roosevelt said he wished
to correct his statement regaSoins MS
| interview with Hartman. ,s
Mr. Hartman told me-. ne salo.
the national committee people had
plenty of money. and I told him l knew
! nothing about that? His request TO
! me was that 1 ask the national COM
mittee help to raise money. he said
! the national committee aheao! hao
plenty OF funds"
Colonel Roosevelt then discussed
Judge Alton B. Parker's statement In
! 1904. and declared that b repeated
misstatement" charged to him was that
he had said corporations did not con-
tribute TO his 1904 campaign
! He said his recent letter to Chair
man Clapp and his open published
! statement" made il clear that he had
never denied that corporations had
contributed. but denied specifically
that corporations had been oiack-
mailed into contributing. or assured
of some kind Of favor for contribut-
ing.
Not Co.ss6ered IDproper.
Colonel Roosevelt said he had Sc
cured the word OF Bliss and Coftel-
! you that the statement was . fact
before he made it corporation cOntrt-
! buttons were not considered improper
in 1904. 1900 or 1886. he said, and II
was public knowledge that they were
being made
For an hour the Colonel had talked,
practically without interruption. Hall
dozen questions by Senator Clapp
started him and 1hereafter there was
, no opportunity Tor questions. Colonel
Roosevelt talked along. choosing his
own subjects. stopping now and then
TO go through his papers or to confer
with Mr.. Loeb or occasionally turning
to the committee with an earnest: rs
that quite clear He gesticula ted
freely. when he declared that corpora
tons had contributed to both Demo-
cratic and Republican funds In 1904.
Il wish TO take up the testimony Of
Mr. ArcnhOid and Senator PcHrO0e -