The Washington times., 1912-05-10
WITNESS SAYS
RDtAND PAID
| n HIS EXPENSES
Hint of Conspiracy Slips Into
Testimony In Archibald
Case.
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ton. significantly.
Yes SIR" was the reply
Captain May Refuses to Sign.

Yes, SIR was the reply.
Captain May Refuses to Sign.
Williams said he told Judge Archibald
three or four weeks ago that Captain
May refused to make out the Erie's
Heed to them. to close the option and
the deal .....
Then the fudge seid he would see
Bronnell,' added williams.
Bronncn Is vice president and general
epunsal Of she Erie railroad.
Didn't the Judge get excited when
close the leal?'' asked Clayton.
II don't know" said williams. deny
tng he had made such statement to
Rlsiey naeys y, Bowl he Investigator of the
"pfd ygu make a statement that the
eronnell.. and that he might hurt him
esked Clayton, reading from an afn-
davit made by williams before the
departments secret service agent.
seen tt them :, on the table mXself-be-
the lighterage case
Then the Judge told you he had
him?" continued Clayton. -
Yes. sir; they hadn't been tried yet"
The {he witness replied: That's all we
what the iighterage case was~what a
lighter Is, tugboat.
Judge Archibald said he was we'll ac-
9uainted with Captain May" said Will
HARM"
Williams insisted he had not testified
had threatened Brownell. He declared
Brownell.
Williams repudiated his affivadit be-
said he had a chance to do something
1or or against May or the railroad"
AT representative Higgins suggestion,
w. p. Boland was ordered away from
his seat at Williams side.
Attorney Worthington Archibald S
counsel, suggested that Boland be ex-
cluded from the hearing while Williams
was testifying, but the committee ruled
Williams.
There is no suggestion of collusion
between these witnesses" asked Repre-
sentative Norris.
oh, no; none at ALL" Attorney Worth
Williams, continuing, said May did
not explain his refusal to deed the culm
pile to the witness and Archibald.
Didn't the judge tell you that you
could go and see May and get anything
from him; and afterward you did get
'he y option" asked asked Clayton; .,
,o Yes, YES, SIR" Williams y nda admitted; but
had been asking"
Culm Pile Bargain.
Williams said he estimated the Eries
interest in the euim pile to be worth
$l0,000 and that he and Archibald were
getting it at bargain for $500. . ,
Il thought there was 10000 tons
in It." the witness said, "and made
trade to sell 1T for 271s cents a
ton to Vice President Conn, of the
Lackawanna and Wyoming electric
road"
well, that would be O.oOO?" Clay
ton calculated.
Williams nodded, but said he had
made. lump" offer to sell 1t for
100000, netting him and Archibald
$4,000 profit after paying the Erie
$4,000 and Robertson, the , art owner
$3.600-$8,000 in all-for the coal.
Was May making mistake in cal.
culating the amount of the TONNAGE
asked Clayton.
Williams denied that he ever thought
or said that May or the Erie engin.
eers had by intention and design un.
der estimated the amount of coal.
CLAYTON then read from Williams
fustices agent ntore as follows: ths department
Didn't you think May had deliber
ately underestimated the amount O.
tonnage in the coal bank?' Williaml
vas asked before the Secret Service
agent.
That he answered. Il believe he did,
to that question was Indignantly denied
by Williams.
Williams said William P. Boland in
duced him to come to Washington las
February and inform against Archibald
to the Attorney General.
"Bolsnd made no threats or induce