The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1912-09-24

NEWARK. \. 2oi Hatcy ST.
l i-r Orange MNrtcll' BOSTON. III
liar. YOU would want to do II. wouldn'i
you?" Mr. Enckner asked
u would not necessarily find that out
in the statement of amy policeman on the
iaoa oi the earth" Mr.. treclman replied.
"Do Won call that M af'idaviti" he
added somewhat testify when Mr.. Buck
nor rec,irrnd TO the sworn statement
made hv tho applicant.
The committees counsel rotorted hv
reading the attestat,on at the bottom,
including tho usual nntary's abatement
Mr.. Crecln,an admitted that II "seenad"
- lie an AFFIDAVIT
The cn-" of Dennis iIealv. whom, the
Polir. Bu,oau accused or iaIselv swear
,nC thai he had novcr been IN tho liuuor
business was rno,hor which Mr. Creel.
man said Nr Waldo had "w'hirawn
or "lse had l"l,ad for r"rorii'1oa'ion and
il had lecr 'uGdc without Investigation
t., the civil Service Commission.
When Morris pollockr npr,o was
brought NJ Mr.. BTckner asked
You didn't wan 10 forgive an" perjury
on the police affidavit. did you:"
u will tell you the facts, Mr.. trcelnar
repllnd. "Nr hav" attempted to go' th"
District Attorney 10 prosecute for perjury
and no has hatlv refused to assist Is
and We gay" Mp any idea of prosecuting
for perjury
q Then the District Attorney having
refused to prosecute for p"rir,. YOU
th"ucht they would nta,,e good men on tho
:yi;'e tnrcc did yuu. IN the ciso ~ Arthur
e lie Hart, iust passed \ DO YOU expect
an answer to that?
Pollock. the applicant ncvt under dis
oa-sion,. had sworn j" never had been
arrested. although the record. showed
he had been indicted and tried for holui-
eide and acquitted In reply to Mr. Creel-
mans questions at the h"aring he said
that he thought the question about arrests
referred to anything criminal" The
secretary was instructed 10 retain his
name on the -eligible list" Mr.. Croelr,an
said that the statement made by Pollock X
and his manner must have satisfied" the
commission that he was not conscious
that he was making a false statement
when he said be was never arrested.
Qucstion starts Trouble.
N- Buckner had Just asked IL 1t was
not lust exactly that kind Of a man who
will swear to lie wher he gets a iob. :"
e..5 lad asked for an illustration when Mr..
Creelman replied Not necessarily" Then
Mr. cre,man turned on his interrogato
the newspapers here the other day he
raid. "in quest ioning the Mayor. which
was an absolute deliberate falschCod
Now | do not know that that vas false
hood only know that the statement, had
been made Now II YOU made that merely
TO draw tho Mayor over Il hne of admis-
sions, that might be considered the act
of an honest but y little over sharp law
yer using a legitimate device within the
law
VIA, staremen' arc you referring TOT"
asked Mr., Bucliner.
The Increase in burglary insurance,
Mr. Creelman replied Mfr Buckner
walked over few feet nearer the wit
ness and raising his voice said. very dis
| tinctly and with emphas.s on each word:
Il will state for your benefit that the
manager Of the National Surety Com
pany. the largest institution in the coun-
| try. as | am informed. made the state
ment that burglary insurance had in
creased TO the degree that ] intimated
| in my question and | have not practised
law very long, sir. and ] have not Yet
practised it vet long enough so that
ever in my life asked question in which
| did not have. a. thought legitimate
ha sis for thar question Can YOU give Il
better reason for putting a perjurer on
the New York police force than an in
elimination against me that ] lied as TO
he burglary insurance.
The spectators who Gasped al Mr..
Crcelmau's attack applauded Mr.. Buck
ner while Chairman Curran raped for
order.
II am not doing that, sir, the witness
replied.
Chairman Curran. when the racket
subsidized little, interrupted:
Mr.. Creelman, that statement Of yours
about Mr.. Buckners question az To
burglary insurance in his examination Of
Iac In hn nd Of h..
chair nothing whatsoever to do with the
present examination. and the chair feels
that Won would show better spirit in
he entire examination ny refraining from
future asser, ions of that kind"
There was more applause and more
rapping for order. Mr.. Creelman turned
TO the chair:
MIR Chairman. 7 am being asked TO
, express an opinion and ] am trying "a
illustrate nv opinion. end | was inter-
| rupted 10y the counsel here. and if yoli
will instruct the counsel 10 b" less Of n
| politician and "a little franker IN asking
| these questions L propOs" 10 answer. sir
| in my own way. in Just my own way. sir
end this committee cannot compel me 10
answer in any other way.
| The Civil Service Commissioner = sta te-
nent received another vollev Of applarIse
! from the spectators He ontirued, with
out waiting for chance To I've heard:
II do not propose to let any plitics
lie PLAYED with my testimony ! am
here to give you frank. fnil answer and
not TO play politics and that is " hat q
lot of little petty politicians are trying To
do and decline absolutely TO be controlled
by them in my testimony here"
| The crowd was still clapping md Mr..
! C,Irran was still seeking TO get order
, Alderman Downing, leader Of the minor
ity. got up IN the midst of the hubbut
and addressed the Chair
-Why don't you go on with the hear
ing?" he asked. -You stand up there like
a bartender POUNDING with your mallet
] want 10 say one thug and that In tha
the chair has given out more false state
ments TO the press than anybody that
know Of. Now ] think this is going too
far. We can ask questions and get alons
without this quarrelling together all th'
time, but you sit ny there and pound viii