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New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20

o.-Do YOU know Paul Kelly? Al
know Paul Kelly. 49,,
O.-Do you know where he lives? A.
10th street -.
O.-Where do YOU live? A.-lllth street
do you know what business MI;
Kelly is engaged in? A.-The last ! hearo
he mad a garage at 10Th or 4lst street.
O.-Do you know whether ne was en-
gagged in any other business besides the
garage? Al had heard II.
O.-What business had YOU heard ne
was engaged in? Al hear3 That ne Wss
over in Broadway between ilst and ga
streets
O.-Doing what? A-Gambling house.
Odd you tell Mr.. Johnson that you
knew about Paul Kelly paving Norton
Al did not.
Q.-Had you ever heard that? Al had
not.
Q.-Had anybody ever told you that
Paul Kelly paid Norton $50 a month
A.-Nobody ever told me that.
Q.-You did not tell Johnson thatF A
] did not.
Odd you hear that Paul Kelly pad
any sum. 1850 or more or less, TO Norton
A.-Never
Odd you ever talk to Paul Kelly
about the question Of graft? Al did
not.
Q.-Do you know him we'll? Al know
him, not well.
Q.-You knew him well enough 10 talk
TO him? Al knew him we'll enough to
talk so him
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20
Meetings Casual.

The witness said he had spoken 10 Paul
Kelly occasionally ss he passed him on
the street near the Llsth street clubhouse.
He said Kelly had been in the clubhouse
once or twice during the last year. lie
was sure, however, that he had never
spoken 10 Kelly about Norton or graft.
He did not know any one else In the Paul
Kelly Association. Mr. Hayes said.
The former Sheriff said that Al John
son sent the report 10 him which the
Sheridan detectives made 10 Johnson
after they had traiied Norton to Shee-
hans apartment in West 18th street. lie
said he didn't think the report OF any
consequence and tore it up. He took no
interest in II because he did not think
Il was his business, he said.
He had talked Sheehans name over
with a great many people, said the wit.
ness who volunteered that he was not
friendly toward Sheehsn lie could not
say whether he had discussed the name
Of Sheehan IN respect TO the "rumors."
Ae dian't think that Sheehan had acted
very nice toward him CHsyes), but his
trouble with the Police Commissioner s
StSlttdiy iAaa uOIitHS W w WIN 'ho Il u
lice Department. he said.
Now. didn't you and Mr.. JOHNSON dis
cuss Sheehan and Norton in the first
convention. and the question of putting
trail on Norton and seeing II he hooke
up with Sheehan7' asked Mr.. Buckner.
No" was the answer.
Are you sure about that?" Hayes was
asked.
Yes he replied.
Was II a surprise 90 you. then, when
YOU got this detectives report?"
Why. nothing like that that he would
do would surprise me much; he would
take that thing Ike toy" the witness
replied.
You mean just play with III" asked
counsel
He would do that said the witness
Mr.. Hayes said he told Johnson 10 drop
his investigation, as he didn't see any
sense in II. because Johnson had no facts,
no proof
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20

son, both Of whom had been city officials;
YOU took UP the matter and dismissed IL
within three or four minutes? Al GER
tainly did
Didn't you think il queer, and don't
YOU think il queer. that neither Of you
discussed there in a confidential way as
10 who the person was in whose interest
Norton was collecting? Ave did NOT.
Q.-Nothing more about It? Al did
not.
Q.--Was discussion OF police graft 80
common that YOU just discussed II In
three or four minutes that way? Alt
was not
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20
MOSS DENIES CHARGES
No Grand Jury Leak from His
Office. He Asserts.

Acting District. Attorney Moss refused
yesterday to comment on Mayor Gay
nor's latest letter attacking his office.
but in reply 10 questions based on some
OF the Mayors charges he denied that
there had been any attack on the Police
Department by the District Attorneys
Office.
Il am positive" said Mr.. Moss, that
no one connected with the District Attor-
ney's Office has revealed anything that
happened in the grand jury room. have
seen some reports I'm the newspapers pur-
porting to be accounts OF what happened
before the grand jury. but they have
been misleading and inaccurate"
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20
CHIRoPoDISTs IN UNION
Form National Association and In
cnrnorate in This State.

Albany. Sept. ls.-The National Associa-
ton OF Chiropodists Incorporated. with
principal Offices In New York. was in
corporated to-day TO elevate the practice
OF chiropody The directors are
Alfred Joseph. George Erff. Irwin May
err, Ernest Gran, Carlton l.. Griffin. New
York. Ernest g. Stanaback. Newark. y.
J Joseph Betz. Joseph ". Carpenter. 81.
Louis: William ". Rabenstein. Cincln-
natl; Henry c. Ballard, Minneapolis, II.
s Hallbrooke. Evansville. Ind. +. f..
Jlllk. Detroit: Archibald Lobb. Memphis.
Mrs h. A. Griswold. Muskogee, Okla /:
Mrs c. r. Knowles. Cleveland.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20
Examined About Paul Kelly.

Mr.. Buckner wanted to know IL the
former Sheriff had told Johnson that
he Hayes) knew of at least one man
who had paid $3.50 10 Norton. It was
brought out in the following fashion
that the man Mr. Buckner referred TO
was Paul Kelly:
Odd you mention a specific case to
him? Al did not
Odd you tell him that YOU knew at
least one person who paid him $3.50? A
No. did not.
Q.-Absolutely sure about IL? IA am
quite certain Of IT,
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20
NONE TOO OLD FOR CUPID.

ny Telegraph 70 Tho Triouhe'I
Ashland. ore. Sept B.-"Cupid can sel
the old as well as the young. said James
9. BOYD. eighty-nve years old. on his mar
rage here 20 Mrs. Lydia Powell. seventy
eight. Boyd has seventy-slx grand 'na'
dren and great-grandchiij
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20
hazy About the Source.

The witness said he could not re-
member where he heard the rumor and
that he never mentioned any one in the
Police Department who might be doing
business with Norton. He had told
Johnson Of no specific instance in which
Norton was concerned and he knew Of
20 such instance, he said.
The examination continued is fol-
lows:
Q.-What else was said, either by YOU
or by him, on the subject? Al have no
distinct recollection. only ] know ] asked
him about man named Norton IN that
building | had heard about.
O-That was all the conversation? A
That was the most I recolect OF the con-
versation. -...-. ~.
ODD Il seem just casual matter to
speak about? Alt was an ordinary
wildcat rumor: you might get half dozen
going out OF this building
Q.-Didn't strike you as at all intere,t-
ing? A.-Not TO me.
Q.-And here ,werc you and Dir John-
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20
MAYOR FIRES HIS BROADSlDE
Defending Administration Of Police He Lays Blame to
District Attorney for Tide Of Abuse and
Hints at Move by Dix

bids the sale OF liquor on Sunday. we
never had any such statute In TINS state.
on the contrary, while the statute Io,plus
the sale OF liquor In bar rooms and re-
quires them to be closed. II permits the
sale Of liquor with meals In other rooms
I'm all places having a hotel license. AIN
the courts decide what a meal iS' NJ
police cannot decide that A sahd"lcn
Is decided TO be a meal. Hence we se 70
sandwiches furnished with oriBhs
throughout the city on SUNDAY. bus
when you get outside OF this city liquor
is sold all over the state on SUNDAY VIII.
out any sandwich being furnished me me
furnishing OF the sandwich seems TO put
i'm the minds Of the people that laws may
be- In one way and another evaded. WIN
only 1000 policemen and l3.OD hotels OF
liquor places, II Is hard to discover anu
prevent the sale OF liquors I'm inner rooms
without meals. But we have 10 DO tne
best we can. II all the police were de-
voted to that work there would not De
enough TO go around. And. again, IL ls
impossible to enforce this law "heh lne
people OF the neighborhood do not sup
port t. No law can be enforced against
the will OF the community.
Seventh,-For many years before i De
came Mayor the police had Deen III tle
habit Ct violently smashing into houses
without warrants. The force was not 10
blame for this. The blame was with the
persons in rulership over the police. inc
made the police do these unlawful Things.
They made use OF these unlawful entries
10 collect graft from houses all over the
city. The constitution and the laws FORBID
the entry of houses except under war
rant obtained from n magistrate. We PM
this I'm force and stopped all those lawiess
entries. They were called by the lawless
name Of raids. If the prescribed graft
was not paid "A raid followed. This was
notice 10 all others In like case TO pay
up. The way to enter house Is 10
get the evidence against II. and then
on that evidence obtain warrant from
magistrate. and then enter warrant IN
hand and make the arrest. This - the
effective way OF carrying out the law.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20
Club House Topic.

with whom did you discuss IL? a.
y discussed 1t up in the clubhouse. in
Iisth street.
Q-And whom did you discuss IL with
there? A.-Well, | see fifty or sixty peo-
pie there every night.
Q-You see them every night A
Well az rule every night
Q-What IS the clubhouse? A.-One
Hundred and Sixteenth street
Q.-That was five blocks away from
Kelly's garage? A.-Not at ali.
Q.-That is al nth street? A.-No. II
is within two blocks OF where he lived.
Q.-Thst was within two blocks Of
where he lived, yes? Am fact. one
block.
Q.-And notwithstanding the fact that
you discussed II up there at the CLUB
with different people, you never heard
the name of Paul Kelly mentioned in
regard TO the rumor? Al never did.
Q.-NOw. in your discussions up In your
clubhouse or anywhere else, did YOU say
who il was in the department whom you
understood Norton was collecting for
Al do not think 7 did.
Q.-Well, are you sure you lid mott
A-Well, ! won't say surely that j did
not.
Q.-Now, have you told for the benefit
Of the committee and the benefit Of the
New York public everything that YOU can
.ecall OF your conversation with Johnson
or anybody else on mis- Subject? Al
have.
Q.-Have you tJld for the benefit OF
the same people everything that you can
az 20 the souvce Of this IrmOr? A-So
far as j can TgcDit,C. fl yes
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20

,ounsel said he was not expecting SUI u
an offer from Mr.. Hyde ana oiu NO.
80 q IN mind 10 call him as WIZ
ness. .s.,..
II Is more than likely that MI hSue
r.o,,..- of immunity will not tempt lhe
committee TO call him as "I'h0S0'
Counsel for the committee ntina'eu
that such was the situation.
Under q new law the legal ques'ioH
has been raised as to the powers OIL INC
,rderr1anic committee TO grant lmrnuh-
ity. Legal opinion differs as TO Whelnei
immunity is not automatically accord
cd 10 any witness who appears before
tho committee 1t is understood ina
the lawyers representing the commit
Tee are considering this problem very
seriously before deciding to call MI
Hvdc or certain other witnesses in
the present inquiry.
Alderman Henry II. Curran, CHAIR
man of the committee. would not sa!
positively one way or the other yes
terday whether Hyde would be called
as a witness. He said:
we are holding our own counch on
that matter at present, and that IS all
] can say about il now"
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20
Raids for Graft Purposes.

II place is so decorous that no EVIL
dence against II can be obtained, then
leave Il alone. You have 10 do that Win
even murderer But II the police are
allowed 10 enter all such places AZ VIII
without warrant they make use or slch
entries TO levy graft TO stay out. Inc
way 10 enforce the law is the way pre-
scrihed by law No one has right 70 go
outside OF. or exceed, or disregard the
law The highest officer I'm the land has
no right 10 90 that II that could be
done our government would not be
government OF law but a government OF
men. which is a despOtlsm. The people
make the laws and those put IN ONCE
have 20 conform 20 them.
Elghth-Ths detective force has been
entirely reorgsnized. All the incompetent
persons who were put there ny pontiral
and like Influence have been pat out ana
competent men substituted ia their place.
| suppose you are aware that II has done
splendid work. and IL recognized as one
OF the best secret service forces IN the
world In fact, il largely does duty for
the whole country, and not merely for
the city Of New York.
Ninth-Formerly the Vice Of gambling
was dealt with separately all along the
line by captains and inspectors ~ the
Police Department The result was much
corrUp,ion Of the force by the gamblers
and their allies. Corruption was possible
az every point 81 contact. The seven race
tracks IN which racer We're run almost
every day In and about the city OF New
York. had been done away with Just be-
fore | became Mayor The result was
that the army Of gamblers who gambled
on these tracks were put out OF that bust
ness and thrown on this city. The police
had a most difficult situation 20 meet.
We organized q special force 10 deal
with gambling That special force OF
lD men vas put under the Commissioner
himself Three lieutenants were put In
charge OF them. and made subject 20 the
orders ~ the Commissioner only. IL hap
pened recently that one Of these lieuten-
ants was found taking graft from the
gamblers Perhaps | should not say this
unqualiacdly. beCauS" the rasr Mss nSt
been tried But II is 80 charged OF
Commits ~ioner 20 be deceived I'm that way
by one Immediately under him Bu, the
same might happen TO any commissioner,
the snme as dcfalcations OF bank officers
and trusted employees are constantly han
Yening. II was painful TO me. although
fully expected that some cases Of graft
would develop
| knew very well that / could not AZ
once destroy the deep seated graft OF
forty years standing. II IL matter
which requires systematic work and pa
tience. The event was followed by all
sorts OF false accusations against the
whole force. II Il now known that Becker
was probably the head and front OF the
grating with which he was connected
instead OF being the underliug or too! OF
any one else. ] think that the respectab le
people OF the city have all along kept
their heads about the matter and not
given away 20 clnmor
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20
Led BY His Conscience.

The witness admitted that practically
nothing was done toward investigating
the tempered mail complaint. Nj Buck
ner wanted 10 know II II wasn't q case
OF the two detectives coming around the
corner 10 find out the names OF the two
men uhc Sheridan detectives and what
they were doing there. The detective de-
MED that such was tho case. He said
that ne would act as his conscience dc
tated IN such matters, no matter II IL had
been the Almighty. instead Of Mr. Shee-
han.
Thomas O Hassett private secretary
10 State Engineer Bensel. who had been
mentioned in the affidavit OF Police Cap
tain Reith as the man TO whom Johnson
had taken the police lieutenant when he
was looking for promotion. testified that
he had no recollection a Reith's visit.
lie said he had never heard Of Captain
Reith until he read about him In the
newspapers recently. According 20 his
best recollection. he had never seen the
man in his life. Hassett said.
The witness said he had no recollection
OF Mr.. Johnson. or any one else ever
bringing any police Lieutenant or other
police official TO him to solicit his as
sistance In obtaining promotion lie was
quite sure Il was very improbable that any
such thing happened. as he would not
have been in any position 10 have helped
get any one promoted. Iiassett was sec
rotary o; the Water supply Department
at the time
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20
HAYES DENIES PUTTING
ANY ONUS ON SF1EEHAN

Mr. Hayes said he had talked With
Kelly from time 10 time when he met
him in the district, in Hayes's neigh
borhood. The witness declared he had
never thought OF talking about police
graft TO Kelly, though he knew that
Kelly ran a gambling house. He was
sure that il was not Kelly who told him
about Norton. rhe witness had heard
Of no one else whom rumor had II was
collecting graft under the present po-
lice administration.
Referring to Commissioner Wsldo's
secretary. Winfield Sheehan. Mr.. Buck
ner asked:
Q.-You have said that in that one con-
ycrSatlon YOU never discussed the name
Of any member of the department? A.
II | did ! do not recall IL.
Q.-Did you discuss the name OF thS
commissioner secretary, Mr. sheehan?
Ave may have.
Q.-Now, does tn1t refresh YoCr recol-
lection whether you did ~ hOtF tcr-
you have a situation Of a man at No. 10
Broadway, In Wall Street, that you say
you have heard is collecting for some
body In the department.. DIDN'T you n
that time ,ay that you had heard he was
collecting t for this secretary? Al d'd
not
Q.-How cid YOU discuss she name OF
MI Sheehan? A-You say. Was his
name mentioned I said. IT may nave
been
GLOW was ii mentioned? Al do
not remember mentioning IT,
On what connection was 70 men
toned, IL II was mentioned" Al 10
not know.
OWN YOU say YOU did no, mention
it? Al won't swear that ! did ana
won't swear that | did not.
Odd YOU discuss the name OF NJ.
Sheehan AZ any other Time with Mr..
johnson? Al discussed Sheehan rood
many times.
with Mr.. Johnson A.-NeI. with
johnson and with others.
Odd YOU ever discuss him IN regard
% this rumor that YOU had hearo? A
! do not think ! did.
Odd YOU ever discuss this rumor
about Norton with any one else other
than Mr. Johnson? Al am sure ii1.
Q.--Eou are sure you did? Ayes.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20

Secretary Sheehan to the West t1th street
police station on the night that the two
Sheridan detectives trailed Norton
To Sheehan's apartment and Sheehan
learned that he was being Swallowed, tes-
titled in regard TO what happened on that
occasion From the attitude and nature
OF the detectives testimony. IL was evil
dent that after he and another detective
arrived on the scene they had done alt
they could 10 accommodate Mr.. Sheehan
at the time.
Cooney said that some one called up the
West 47th street station and wanted IA
couple OF detectives 10 come around 10 an
address in West 5oth street lie met Shce-
han, though ne didn't know who he wa,
at the time. with another man standing
outside the doors OF the apartment house.
ard the doors Mere closed, the witness
said. Sheehan told him that two men in
eide had been trying TO tamper with his
mail. and introduced himself. COoncy
said that the whole matter had been
Strengthened out, and that he and the de-
tecuye with him had made 10 report on
che case. "Lccausc there wasn't any
case" he said
The witness acknowledged that 10 was
very unusual not to make report on
every case. on which detectives were dele
gated. and he could not explain satisfac-
torily to Mr.. Buckncr or members OF tho
committee why an exception had been
made in that instance.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20

Former Sheriff Nicholas J. Hayes
was tn first witness called al yester-
days session of the aldermaaic com
mittee. ". Hayes filed formal
waiver Of immunity with the County
Clerk before he testified. The witness
was examined by Mr.. Buckner in re-
gard to the conversation he had with
Alfred ]. Johnson. a former under
sheriff. at the latter's office. at No. 10
Broadway. in the fall Of 1911. when Mr..
HAYES told Johnson he had heard & ru-
NOR that George {. Norton, a lawyer
with Offices in the same building. was
collector" for the police, according TO
Johnson's previous testimony.
Mr.. Hayes said he called on Johnson
a { his office in December. 1911. TO pay
q friendly visit and talk over some
matters of business. The witness said
they talked over police matters to some
extent and he remembered of mention
ing to johnson that he had heard OF a
man named Norton rumored to be in
terested in doing business with some
body in the Police Department"
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20
Would Not Degrade Police.

This was To get evidence. | issued or
ders that no policeman should be assigned
to any such degrading service. To SUBJ
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20
Asks to Be Called.

Mr.: Hyde wrote letter TO Mr.. Buck
ner in which he practically requested
the committee to allow him TO TESTIFY.
MIR. Buckner received the letter after
the Adjournment of yesterdays hearing
before the committee. The letter was
as follows:
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-20

September ~, lSl-
The Hon Emory K BuCkner. Chiet Coun-
sci OF the Aldermanic Police lnvestiSa-
ton Committee.
Sir: Some Of to-day's newspapers indi-
cate that there are questions which YOU
desire 10 ask me in respect 10 the police
investigation which you are now conduct
ing II this Is the case. ! desire 10 say
that | am ready ana willing to take the
.tand al any time that you may indicate
While do not understand that the alder
manic committee is conducting "A criminal
investigation or has any power TO do 50
or 10 grant immunity 10 witnesses. yet II
\ sense OF duty impels YOU TO take such
nreCautiou 7 have not the slightest hest
tation in advising you that ] will cheer
FULLY waive it, and do my best 10 give
YOU any assistance that | can i'm the con
duct of the investigation, answering fulIN
suG freely any question which YOU may
'- e.. me VERY truly yours, 1900
CIJAPIES II HYDE.
The weekly times-record. (Valley City, N.D.) 1912-1922, 1912-12-19
Petitions are at tho local h,otsls and
ne being literally signed asking the

Petitions are ct tho local hotsls and
are being literally signed asking the
spogtmsstersenersl to n4ustate the
practice Of Sunday diststeutlon y Of
mail. 80 that travellers may secure
their mall without waiting until Mon
day and in many instances being COM
PEELED to miss their trains and days
work. The order to discontinue the
Sunday distribution Of mail only went
into force recently and opinion Is
about equally divided as to the Justice
of the order. Many contend that the
postal employees would rather do the
work Sunday morning than to let It
accumulate over Sunday while others
take the broad stand mat Sunday is q
day Of rest and should be observed by
the government.
The weekly times-record. (Valley City, N.D.) 1912-1922, 1912-12-19
white SLAYER to Be
Tried In Barnes co.
OFFICER BLAKE sWORE
OUT WARRANT AND OFFICER
KELLY BROUGHT MAN.

Nrom Saturdays Daily
Humane Officer Blake came to Val.
ley City last night and swore out q
warrant for William Ray Johnson, and
Officer Kelly left this morning for
jamestown and will bring the man
here where he win stand trial on the
charge of white slavery" It seems
that the claim was made by the de-
tense that the crime for which john
son was being tried was committed
In Barnes county and 80 the state will
bring the man here for trial. This
will be remembered 40 the case In
which the parties were arrested ct
EiArvey, and. the females implicated al
mttted4 supporting Sthe men with the
money they had earned.
The jury ut jamestown labored ali
Thursday night with the case Of the
state W.. Messrs. jackson and johnson
for what is known as white slavery
and at 9:45 .. m. Friday reported that
they could not agree. Judge Coffee
then discharged the jury and the case
will be tried by another jury at a fu.
ture date, probably at the next term
Of court.
The weekly times-record. (Valley City, N.D.) 1912-1922, 1912-12-19
NOTICE 70 CREDITORS.

In the matter OF the estate Of Isaac
+. ao,-decaas ed 8 &c. -
Notice is hereby given by the un-
de1signed, Melvin s. Mayo. admins
traitor Of the estate OF Isaac r. Mayo.
late OF the township Of Oriska, in the
county Of Barnes. and state Of North
Dalota. deceased. to the creditors Of,
and all persons having claims against
said deceased. to exhibit them with
the necessary vouchers. within six
months after the first publication of
this notice, to said administrator at
his ONCE at No. s Broadway, in the
city OF Fargo. in 'Cass county. North
BAhota.
Dated November 21st, A. q. 1912.
MELVIN g. MAYO, a
W. y. CLAP. Administrator.
ATTY. for Admir-, Fargo, a. q.
E9pst publication on the 20th day Of
November. A. q. 1912.
Il. (11|29-4tw)