The Bridgeport evening farmer., 1912-05-10
WILLIAMS TELLS
 OF ARCHIBALD

(Continued from Page One) plained that the lighterage case was what lighter is.''
 Judge Archibald said he was well acquainted with Captain May and might do him some harm-not that he could do Brownell any harm.'
 Williams insisted he did not mean that Archibald had threatened Brown ell. He declared Archibald referred to May---not to Brownell.
 Williams repudiated his affidavit before Brown that Judge Archibald said he "had a chance to do some thing for or against May or the rail- road"
 At Representative Higgins sugges-' ton W. F. Roland was ordered away
 Attorney Worthington. Archbald's s counsel, suggested that Roland be excluded from the hearing while Will Hams was testtfyfng, but the com mittee ruled that Roland might res main.
 There is no suggestion of collusion between these witnesses. is there?". asked Representative Norris.
 "Oh. no not at all,'' Attorney Worth ington replied.
 Williams. continuing said May did not explain his refusal to deed the culm pile to the witness and Arch bald.
 "Didn't the judge tell you that you could go. and see May and get anything from him; and after ward you did get the option?" asked Clayton.
 "Yes, sir" Williams admitted. ''but he charged me $2O0O more than what he had been asking"
 Williams said he estimated the Fries interest in the culm pile to be worth $10,0o0 and that he and Arch bald were getting it at a bargain for $4,500.
 ''I thought there were 15o,0o0 tons in it, the witness said, land made a trade to sell it for 27 1-2 cents a ton to Vice President Conn of the Lack awanna and Wyoming Electric road" ,"
 "well, that would be -$4o,0o0?' Clay
 Williams nodded, but said he had made lump offer to sell it for $20, 900, netting him and Afchbald $12.- 900 profit after paying the Erie A,- 8, ,500-ss, 900 in all-for the coal.
 Williams denied that he ever thought or said that May or the Erie engineers had by intention and de- sign under-estimated the amount of coal, despite reports of the secret agents that he had made such state ment.
 Williams said William P. Roland in duced him to come to Washington last February and talk to the attorney general against Archibald.
 "Bolande made no threats or induce ments to go before the attorney gen. eral." said Williams.
 "Who paid your expenses of that trip to Washington
 "Boland did, the witness replied, but denied he had been paid by Bo- land to give his testimony to Attorney General Wickersham.
 Williams admitted Roland paid all of his expenses in Washington.
 He wired to me at Scranton from Washington-he was here" said Will. Hams. s.to come on to Washington. The Lehigh coal deal was then talk Hams said he was introduced to A man named James R. Dainty four or five months ago in connection with the sale of a culm pile at Hillsdale, Pa, to the Lehigh road. why did you and MT. Dainty go go to see Judge Archibald about that?" Judge Archibald had no interest in it. Williams explained. Dainty asked the judge to communicate with the Lehigh Valley railroad because they had refused to pay the amount the owners-the Eberhards- wanted. "Judee Archibald then called up Manager Warner of the Lehigh Val- ley railroad at Wilkesbarre and talk ed to him about it over the tele- phone"
 williams said he could not remem- her what Archibald said over the tele- phone. He explained that Dainty was' trying to secure lease of the coal land to transfer to the railroad. ssDidn't you say to Dainty. Jim. I think I know who will make that deal all right ?'" said Clayton. "I think I did," admitted Williams. saThen you took Dainty to Judge Archbald?''
 .Yes, sir," the witness replied, "the owners wanted 900 more for it than the railroad would pay. Williams said he did not know whether the deal was closed.
 .sWrhy did you bring the judge into that deal?" Williams fas asked.
 ~I thought the judge could do it-get the railroad to pay that $20.
 Not on account of his position Williams added '.Just as a man, that's all.'' Recess was taken at this point.