New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-09-17

Harry Horowitz--as "Gyp' the Bloou
signs his name when not using any OF
his aliases started for Police Head
Quarters about month ago TO give
themselves up. "Leftys' own "ordS
as uttered yesterday were:
About a month ago 'Gyp' ana
started for Police Headquarters 10 give
ourselves up. We were tired of seeing
the stories in the papers saying that
we were wanted for murder.
I'VE got off the Third avenue L at
Grand street and got within BLOCK
Of Police Headquarters, when we began
debating dhc wisdom Of II. We won
dered what would become of our wives
And then we decided not TO surrender
ourselves. not knowing what might be-
come of our wives
Judge Wahle talked with "Gyp' and
Lefty an hour and half YESTERDAY
MY clients. Horowitz and Rosen-
berg" he said last night, were never
in hiding. have not heard their
stories in full as yet, but ] have gone
over their actions for the last six
weeks or more and ] can positively
state that during that time they walked
the streets New York City daily and
never tried to dodge a policeman. They
passed hundreds In uniform.
For. the last six weeks these two
mon have lived in Brooklyn. They have
not been in hiding, II they were' there
is some other definition OF the word
that ] am not acquainted with, but
which may be known to the police
Took in "Msrdi Grss"
Did they keep close TO their fat in
WOODWARD avenue after moving into
it?" asi;ed The reporter, having in mind
the recital Of the capture Of the men
as related by Dougherty.
That's bosh!" retorted Judge Wahle.
WHY they've gone down TO the 'Mardi
Gras' with their wives. and passed l
don't know how many hundreds Of po-
Ucemen i'm uniform
When was this?'
They went TO the Mardi Gras last
Tuesday night, and think again on
Wednesday. They we're preparing 10
90 again saturday night when they
were arrested"
During .Mar1ii Gras' week, it might
Doe mentioned. the police In UNIFORM
not to mention the men In pam
.lo,hog who mingle with the thronss'
actually lmersurf avenue in an I'M
nrokcn line. with little more shan ell
how room bIweon each bluCooat
tndrc wnhlc wns then asked IL he
knew if the wives of the two gun
men had used taNicebH and autono-
bilca to cludc policemen who were on
their trail
lie smiled as lac answered
III they dld. don't know where
they got tho money from 20 do IL
Had Pawned Jewelry,
Doughcrtys story Of the capture of
.Gyp" and Lefty" itpclf seems 70
boar out the theory that the women
aid not have money to pay for many
automobile rides, for the gunner
themselves had only SIS between them
when arrested, and part Of this money
was the proceeds of some jewelry they
pawned. Then, again, the gunner
bought their furniture on instruments
and paid only $50 down. -
Judge Wahle would not discuss the
line Of defence he would follow. 1t IS
beloved that it will be a general denial
in the cases Of not only "Gyp' and
Lefty" but also OF "Dago' Frank
Cirohci and Frank Muller, alias
Whitley" Lewis.
Judge Wahle, who is also counsel Tor
Big Jack" Zelis, the gang leader,
among whose followers were "Gyp
Lefty" Whitley Lewis and "Dago'
Frank. did not know he would be coun-
sci for Horowitz and Rosenberg until
yesterday morning, when he received
written requests from the parents Of
the pair TO appear for them. He sue
cessfully defended sam" Paul when
he was arrested in the Rosenthal case.
1 MS, together WITH the AdSI lHdN SdlII
Paul is the friend Of "Big Jack Zelis,
gave rise TO the rumor that Judge
Wahlc had"be6n Retained for the gun
men 10y sam" Paul. But Judge
Wahles reply to this was TO show the
retainers in the cases. which bore the
names OF he,Rarents Of the two pris-
oners last taken
When asked If "Gyp' and Lefty
had been in the Catskills for a week
or so after the murder of Rosenthal
Judge Wahle replied:
Il really don't know. ] talked with
them only for an hour and half and
during that time ! went back over the
ground merely for the last six weeks. -
The lawyer will see his clients
again to-day. and he hopes TO get the
entire story Of their movements from
the day OF Rosenthafs murder to the
lime nf their arrest.