The Birmingham age-herald., 1912-05-29

(Confinued from Page One) being managed so as to cut loose and hold tight if you say you don't know meyer.
 T think you are making mistake in caiming-in representing what I under took to say" replied the witness.
 You say you don't know how it was done. You tell us now you don't know how this disintegration was being done !? Am I right about that, or am I wrong? I want you to answer me in that. That is a plain question: Either you do or you don't know, how is this being done2'
 q have nothing to do with that work at all"
 Do you know how the business of the companies is being arranged?'
 "I do.f'
 Now. from whom do you know it? What individual has told you and ex- plained to you the way in which these former subsidiary companies business is being arranged? Give us his name."
 q don't think they have spoken about that particular thing in that particular way They all are being arranged in the one way, and that way
 Who has told you that?'
 That was the decision we arrived at, and that has been the whole spirit of this matter"
 Objects to Spirit Talk q object to all this talk about spirit said MT. Untermeyer emphaticaly. Spirits are good things. but facts are what we want. I want to know what you know about the process of this dissolution, MT. Rockefeller, and we are going to find it out. What I.want to know is did you personally take part in outlining any comprehensive plan as to the way in which the businesses were to be con- ducted?"
 'T have not followed out those details at all.'
 Now you have answered. Is there, MT. Rockefeller, so far as you know, any plan for the management of these subsi- diary companies. Have you been made acquainted with any?' "I have never been made acquainted with anything else than that there was plan that these companies, each should fulfill it's own function There was a plan as I understand it. to try to obey the decree and yet to run the business together" .fsss No, sir answered the witness again, raising his voice, "Each of these interests are distinct"
 Then why is it that the old company and this group of gentlemen of which you speak, why is it that they had placed l in their hands the proxies with which to set up and constitute and name all of the boards of directors and all of the officers of these constituent companies?" In order that these boards of directors of these constituent companies might be qualified in the best way 10 fulfill their functions" replied the witness that is very simple thing An}acsis 1
 Having been named by this group-all of them-that is your idea of indepen- dence?' queried MT. Untermeyer.
 They are named by the stockholders. interposed MT. Murray. "Wll the stenographer please take down the remarks of MT. Murray" said MT Untermeyer sarcastically. "Of course the stenographer will take it down. that is what he is here for" re- torted the Rockefeller lawyer.
 Untermeyer Wearied
 MT. Untermeyer concluded his question: ing at this point with heavy sigh. T am at your disposal, MT Inter meyer" volunteered MT. Rockefeller. "Dont spare me. It is my sincere de- sire to-
 "I object" interrupted the attorney. You object to my sincere desire?" 'I have been filled with too many pro- fessions today replied the lawyer. Earler in the testimony Mir. Rockefeller had said that he had attended the meet ing of the directors of the Standard Oil company of New Jersey at which the dis solution plan had been agreed upon, but denied that he had discussed the plan with any of the directors since.
 The witness stated that he obtained in- formation in a general way from MT. Arehbold. MT. Pratt and MT Bedford, at which time he asked them ht said. .are we carrying out everything in strict accordance with the decree-''
 ,<.ffe s..t. 4 Mir. Untermeyer What we want is facts.''
 The hearing held at MT. Tntermeyer' s offices at 37 Wall street attracted a large crowd of curious persons anxious to get a glimpse of MT. Rockefeller as he en- tered and left the building. Today's was his first appearance on the witness stand since he testified in the Standard oil dissolution suit in 1908.