Evening star., 1912-11-16
WEBER AND OTHERS
DENY GUNMEN'S STORY
Take the Stand to Refute Tes-
timony Regarding Murder
of R0SenthaI.

NEW YORK, November 16.-When the
trial Of the four gunmen, accused OF the
murder of Herman Rosenthal, was re-
sumed today. Albert Johnston, news
paper reporter. testified that Whitley
Lewis had told him at the time OF
''whitey's'' arrest in Sullivan county
that he was not in New York when the
murder was committed.
"Bridgie" Webber then took the stand.
He denied that he shot Rosenthal or saw
him shot. He also denied that anything
was said in his poker rooms on the night
Of the murder when the four gunmen
were gathered there concerning Jack
Rose desiring the gunmen to meet Police
Lieut.. Becker's men in order to furnish
proof that Rose had nothing to do with
framing" Jack Zelig.
Not Identified, He Says.
webber told of the alleged eyewitness,
Mrs Kydd, who testified yesterday. COM
to identify him as one Of those who shot
at Rosenthal. 'tShe saw me, but did not
recognize me-" said Webber.
Harry Vallon was called and corrobo-
rated the rebuttal testimony by Webber.
He did not, he said, shoot Rosenthal or
see the shooting.
Sam Schepps next took the stand and
likewise denied firing a shot at Rosen-
thai or seeing him slain. He corroborat-
ed Webber and Vallon as to what hap
pened at the poker rooms. BALD Jack"
Rose followed with similar denials.
Favorable to "Gyp."
James Maloney, a keeper in the Tombs
prison. on the stand yesterday afternoon
swore that William Shapiro. driver Of the
murder car. told him that it was Harry
vallon and Sam Schepps who put re-
volvers to his head and told him to speed
up after the shooting, and not "Gyp the
Blood as Shapiro testified.
On cross-examination Maloney said
Shapiro had said this during Beckers s
trial. but that he tMaloney) had said
nothing about it until after Becker was
convicted.
Then followed testimony from the lips
OF an old woman which corroborated the
stories told by three of the defendants
that Webber and WALTON were the real
gunmen in the case.
The witness was Mary Kydd who was
selling newspapers near the Metropole on
the morning of the murder, and who
swore that she saw four men fitting the
description of Jack Rose, Sam Schepps
Webber and Nallon in d group near the
hotel and that the shots fired came from
that group. She did not see the four de-
PENDANTS there at ALL she said
Mrs. Lefty Louie" Rosenberg blond
haired, pink-cheeked, doll-faced was also
a witness.
She corroborated the story OF her hus-
band and the other gunner regarding
Jack Roses visit to their apartment when
Louie was recovering from a pis. ol
wound received in the Chinatown shoot
ing affair.
Mrs. Rosenberg said she overheard the
conversation between Rose, her husband
and Whitley" Lewis and declared that
Rose had made no mention of Herman
Rosenthal. Nor did he say, she added
that he wanted Rosenthal "croaked," as
Rose testified he did at this visit Her
sister, Rebecca Leiben, next testified that
the gunmen had been in Rockaway the
Sunday before the murder
Giovanni Stanich, eyewitness for the
state. was called in rebuttal before cour,
adjourned. and while he was on the stand
Rose, Webber, WALTON and Schepps were
brought into the courtroom and lined UT
against the rail in front of which the
'sunmen were sitting. Stanich swore
that he had not seen them at the Metro.
pole.
The gunmen turned in their seats and
the sneers and savage giares that passed
between the two quartets, who faced each
other in one room for the first time since
their arrest. excited the keen interest o1
the spectators.