New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-10-05

made the appointment through Secretary
Loeb at Harriman's request.
Mr. Loeb was present throughout al
, most all Of that interview" he went on
, There was no possibility OF any misun
derstanding mention that because
, have seen that some well meaning ou
fabby persons have said there migh
, have been a misunderstanding between
Mr. Hartman and myself"
Colonel Roosevelt said that at the time
the Hartman contribution was made
there was no doubt Of the national tcke
, carrying New York, but that the state
ticket was in difficulties.
There was not one word spoken by
Mr.. Hartman or me-" said the colonel
having any reference to the collection
OF funds for the national campaign. OF
the contrary, the entire conversation was
J to the. effect that the national campaign
was safe and that aid should be given
to the state campaign" a.4
Colonel Roosevelt said he had suose'
quently had talk with Mr.. Hartman
who favored the appointment OF ex-Sena-
tor Depew as Ambassador TO France. but
he told Mr. Hartman that other imam
cial men were supporting James H. hyde
and Mr. Hartman began TO back water
The colonel added that he made 1t clear
that Mr.. Hyde was too young for the I'm
portant diplomatic post and had not 'won
his spurs"
Fer the State Campaign.
Il wish to call your attention to the
fact that Judge Duell and Mr.. Sheldon
both have testified. and that Mr.. Bliss
stated. that tho money was not raised by
Mr.. Hartman for the national campaign,
but that It was raised by Mr.. Bliss 10 help
out Mr.. Hartman in the state campaign.
said the witness. Mr.. Loeb was present
during the interview between Mr.. Harri-
man and myself and heard every word,
"Mr. Hartman asked me to get Mr.
Cortelyou and Mr.. Bliss to help raise
funds for the New York State campaign.
I never asked Mr.. Hartman. directly or
indirectly. for a dollar to help In that
campaign or any other"
Colonel Roosevelt then said he wished
to correct his statement regarding his
interview with Hartman.
"Mr Hartman told me-" he said, the
money. and l told him I knew nothing
about that. His request to me was that
ask the national committee to give
money. not that ask the national COM
mittee TO help raise money. He said the
national committee already had plenty
OF funds
Colonel Roosevelt then discussed Judge
Alton B. Parker's statement in 1904 and
declared that "a repeated misstatement'
charged to him was that he had said
corporations did not contribute to his
1904 campaign.
II never made the statement that cor
porations had not contributed to the Re-
publican party" he said. emphatically.
He said his recent letter to Chairman
Clapp and his open published state
ment" made It clear that he had never
denied that corporations had contributed
but denied specifically that corporations
had been "blackmailed" into contribut-
ing "or assured Of some kind OF favor
for contributing.
Colonel Roosevelt said he had secured
the word Of Bliss apd Cortelyou that the
statement was a fact before he made IT,
Corporation contributions were not con-
sidered improper In 1904. 1900 or 1885, he
said. and It was public knowledge that
they were being made.
After Arehbold and Penrose.
For an hour the colonel had talked,
practically without interruption. Half a
dozen questions by Senator Clapp started
him, and thereafter there was no oppor-
tunty for questions Colonel Roosevelt
talked along. choosing his own subjects,
stopping now and then to 90 through his
papers or TO confer with Mr.. Loeb, and
occasionally turning 20 the committee
with an earnest rs that quite clear?" He
gesticulated freely when he declared that
corporations had contributed to both DEM
ocratic and Republican funds In 1901.
Now, | wish TO take up the testimony
Of Mr.. Archbold and Senator Penrose,"
said Colonel Roosevelt. He paused TO
look at some memoranda, and an air OF
expectancy settled over the room.
~ WISH" he continued. ITO call your at
tention TO this fact in connection with the
statements of Mr.. Archbold. as in the case
Of Mr.. Hartman. Each testified he got no
improper consideration from the admins
tration. Mr.. Archbold and Mr.. Hartman
alike complain, not that the administration
did what it ought not to have done. but
that the administration refused 10 do
what It ought not TO do. Mr.. Archbold
and Mr.. Harriman's complaint is that
they got nothing from the administration.
"Mr. Archbold testified that Cornelius
n. Bliss. who is dead, attempted to black
mail him and that knew Of It. I don't
for a minute believe Mr.. Bliss tried TO
blackrnail him; II he did knew nothing
of Il, and / had the assurance Of Mr..
Cortelyou over the telephone again yes
terday that such contribution was not
| made.
II want to call your attention 10 the
testimony of Messrs. Archbold and Pen
rose against themselves. Mr.. Penrose
testified that he advised Mr.. Archbold to
have the Standard OIL Company submit
TO the blackmail. and that he did II to
prevent being subjected to hostility from
certain sources. They could mean hostil-
ity only from myself the Attorney Gen.
eral or the Commissioner OF Corporations.
They could incur my hostility only II
they violated the law. ] had no way OF
being hostile unless they violated the law.
60 the action OF Penrose In advising
Standard Oil TO make that contribution
was advice to II TO protect itself against
prosecution for violation of the law.
when was Police Commissioner Of
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