The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1912-09-20


papers.
q No. mean outside OF what you read
III ihe papers. A I have not.
y. can you remember now the name OF
any other man that was mentioned as a
collector? A cannot.
Can't Rcmc mber Other Rumors.
Nor could the witness recall the name
NJ any place that was reported to he pay
ing any collector. He could not recall
how he heard the rumor regarding Norton.
whether il was in connection with a GER
tain place or in general,
IF the namc of any member cf the Police
Department had been discussed in the
conversation with MIR johnson MIR Hayes
did not recall il.
q. Md YOU discuss the name OF the
Comms- toner's Secretary. Mr Shcehan?
A. We may have.
@ did YOU over discnss him in con-
nect,on with this rrmor that you had heard
4 do not think did.
q Md Notwithstanding the fact that
YOU discussed II ~ tho club with different
people yol n"ycr heard the name Of Paul
kclv mcHtIouci IN connection with tho
rumo,' never dI
@. Md yon regard II ms an ordinary
thing for n man in Wall Street or at il5 |
department. We'll. no IL was not an
ordinary thing. bu' it was no, an extraor-
dinarv thing, rnnurs of that kind are not
eytraordtnary
O Wouldn't you regard him lPaul
kellvl as man who might tell you some
interesting things; : | would not, hc-
cause was not Interested enough in know
inst'
q pd you ever talk to any of his friends
dD NJ ll
friends
Tore up Detectives Report.
johnson told Mr. Hayes of the report
made by the William p. Sheridan de
toct ives and Hayes told him that was
very foolish thing to do" Mr. Hayes
said johnson sent him copy of the re-
port. The ex-Sherir tod johnson no had
no interest in the matter at all and tore
up the COPY of the report He did not
consider II was his business
Secretary Shcehans name was brou ght
M again. MIR. Hayes said he was not
friendly TO Shcehan, that he did not
! think Sheehan had acted very nice"
toward him. but this matter had nothing
to do with the Police Department, he said,
and it was dropped
q. Was II a surprise 10 you. then, when
you cot this detectives report? 4 Why. |
nothing like that that he would do would
surprise Inc much he would take that thing
as n toy.
q. You mean inst play with i'2 A He
would do that
o. Wen. you told him to drop it. didn' t
you, \ didn see any sense OF il be-
cause he had no facts. no proofs
o. And you didn't want him To prove the
acts? A He had no proof
sked if he had looked up his files { 0
sre whether or not johnson had written |
letter to him enclosing the report. Mr. !
Hayes said he did not have any letter
tilcs. He didn't think he had taken |
the information To IN. Mayor and didnt !
in.nk he had suggested to johnson that |
Mr.. Waldo ought 10 have it for what it |
vas worth
Mr. BucIiner tried to get the witness |
{ admit that he had had Conversatio ion |
oitl, Mr.. Waldo and other people" down |
n, Good Ground about Waldo being made |
Polio" 'ommssloner The witness said
h" r"vcr had such conversation at
Good Ground though Mr. Waldo had been
to the Hayes HON. there. hut added that
no had met Waldo one time in Forty
fourth street and Waldo asked him to help
him. Il said ! couldn't, that he could
i"lp himself better than | could
''"s"rh ). Coonev. one of the two de-
tCCtiVes called in by Secretary Sheehan
when tn" sheridan operatives called at
his apartment house. was questioned
about he events of that night. When the
detectives got to :he apartm ment house
'heehan was standing at the door with
inothcr man. Sheehan said, as Cooney
quotes him.
II am MIR. Winifred Sheehan and there
ere two men inside here that | have been
told bv the superintendent Of this build
ing arc trying to rimper with my mail
Fnd want you 10 invest igate it and if II
warrants police action want you To take
s'Icn action.
The detectives went inside and found
two mon sitting on a divan. one of the
mon. hetleh"r, showed his deputy sheriN's
shield. They gave their names as kelly"
and CLARK" toon"y continued:
7 wont upstairs and rang the bell and
MIR Shcchan came out To the door, and
7 said. Mr. ShPchan. nv Investigations
load mo 10 this. thai these two mon down
stairs. who said their names we're Clark
and Kelly and Mr. kcl, " - also u special
deprt, sheriff was loohinG for man
named lohn {. Sh""han We'll. II" said.
is that allf | says, Yes. SIR. | said, IF
they dad anything wrong ~ IA" line "f act
ing di-ordery and the superintendent
wishes to make "A complaint. or any one.
will not Well, ' he said, go down and
ask who has got tho doputy shcrif shield
said "lhe man with tho glasoss, Mr.
can | speak to him | went down and
delivered III" message To Mr., Kelly.
went haj' again and mot MIR Sheehan
In the hall aud told hun that he refused
TO come M Ne said NJ right" Both Of MS
got on the elevator. Mr.. She"han and my
self came downstairs. walked over TO these
two men. Kelly and I lart. and Mr. Shcehan
said. "bo vOn want mo for anything"
They said. 80, We are looking for John
{. Sheehan They SAYS, An right. then,
AIN finished with YOU And we all went
our respective ways.
Mr.. Buckner put tho witness through
pretty rigorous examination. The com
mlttee's counsel brought ont that no re-
port was made Of IN" incident by the de-
tectiveS when they returned to the West
Forty seventh street station. Cooney
said a report was not made because the
matter appeared To him TO be an "un-
founded case
The witness finally said that it formerly
was the custom not TO make out report
Of an unfounded case. but that this had
been changed tho first of the year. Mr.
Buckner explained his questions along
this linc 10y mentioning IAN allegation,
either true or false, that "A great many
complaints that are made 10 the detectives
in Tho station houses do not get reported,