Arizona republican., 1912-11-30
Traces, In His Evidence, the Movements of Ortie Me- Manigal and James B. McNamara During Period of Explosions.
SAYS HOCKIN
 GAVE DETAILS
Dynamiters Were Under Constant Surveillance During Time They Were On Their Hunting Trip i'll Wisconsin Woods.
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 INDIANAPOLIS. Nov 29.-Five months and six days were fixed by witnesses in the dynamite conspiracy trial today as the time it required to arrest James B McNamara, the dyna- miter of the Los Angeles Times build ing in which T persons were killed. after the dynamter had been pointed out to the detectives The substance of the testimony as to dates was:
 "On November ?. 1910, che month and one day after the explosion, in hotel lobby in Chicago, Herbert $. Hockin secretary of the Iron Workers union and accused of being q betrayer of the dynamiters, gave Raymond J. Burns. son Of the detective. who fin ally made the arrests, d full description of McNamara and Ortie McManigal.
 "On November ,, at a railroad sta ton in Chicago, Raymond Burns point ed out McManigal to the detectives McManigal was leaving on a hunting trip near Conover, Wisconsin. Burns instructed the detectives to follow Me MarigaI on November 6, at Kenosha. Wisconsin, the detectives William J Otis, and Benjamin r. Damon found
 
 mara who under the alias of Frank Sullivan. accompanied the hunting party to Conover. where from Novem- ber s to December 1. the detectives "shadowed' the dynamters by talking 10 them in camp and observing them through field glasses.
 |. Finally McNamara and McManigal returned to Chicago on train on which were no detectives. This was the story Raymond Burns told on the witness stand today.
 James B. McNamara and McManigal were arrested on April F. 1911 and John J. McNamara was arrested on April 22 Ten explosions occurred be- tween December 1910 and the time of the arrests
 Raymond Burns said he had received information from Lindsay l.. Jewel then of Pittsburg, who testified that Hockin months before the Los Ange les explosion had given the locations and hiding places of explosives. Jewel when going to Panama as an engineer had urged HOckin to report to Burns. The substance of Raymond Burns tes- timony was:
 "On November I met HOckin in a hotel lobby in Chicago. He told me Bryce, was then being hunted on the Pacific coast as was also James E. McNamara and that J. W. McGraw, who was. wanted for explosions at Peoria Ills, was McManigal. I located Me ManigaIs house in Chicago and traced him to the Northwestern station where on November } I pointed him out for the operatives to follow. From time to time I received information from the hunting camp in Wisconsin. Two weeks later I again met Hook in in Chicago and he told me that he was satisfied John J. McNamara of l the Iron Workers union and his broth CT James B. was doing the dynamiting l for what money there was in it and said he did not like it, for he was afraid it would ruin the union. | Later William J Burns, HOckin and myself met. William J. told Hockin ] the result Of the investigation on the Pacific Coast. which has that of Olaf A. Tveitmoc and Anton JOhannson of i San Francisco had furnished Caplin ! and Schmidt and had arranged for 1 them to blow up the Times building. l William J. asked HOckin if he knew anything on this point HocKin replied | he knew nothing about what Tveitmoe ] did, as that was a matter handled on | the coast. Hockin did say, however, | that TveitmOe and Johannsen had ar ranged to blow up William J. in Seat tie or San Francisco by placing a bomb in a room next to his room in the | hotel
 "Hockin met me again in January. I asked him where McManigal was and he said he did not know. That was
 the time McManigal had gone to Los | Angeles to blow up the Llewellyn
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