New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-10-16

Mr.. Mcintyre took the witness by sur
prise and greatly rufned his composure
when he suddenly asked:
Didn't you and WALTON get into IN"
murder car with the gunner after the
shooting and ride with them toward Mad
Ison ayenue?"
"Emphatlcally. no." said Schepps,
Didn't you put a revolver at the head
Of Shapiro. the chauffeur Of the murder
car. and tell him you would blow his heal
off unless he quit stalling the motor AM
get the car started away asked Beckers
lawyer
Most emphatlcally no." said Schepps'
In describing the VISIT 10 Beckers apart
mcnt as Roses messenger after the muir
der. Schepps at first said lie had seen both
Mr.. and Mrs Becker there, but later
wanted TO change his testimony TO say
that he saw only Becker.
Schepps said he talked to Becker about
half an hour in the dark at that time
and told him Of Roses anxiety. Counsel
FOR the defence held a watch on Schepps
as he was repeating the conversation he
said he had with Becker Mr.. Mcintyre
announced that II had taken him minute
and quarter.
Schepps denied he skipped" the juris-
dlction OF the state because he was afraid
Of being arrested as an outcome or the
murder He said he went away because
Rose advised him to and he thought 1t
was good advice"
The witness told Of going TO Police
Il 10
himself up He said he had advised Rose
not TO surrender himself. Schepps said he
didn't get out OF the taxicab at Head
quarters but went on downtown 10 get
Roses lawyer He said Rose did not give
him any money when he left the city. He
went first to Fallsburg, in the Catskills;
then 10 Kingston, later TO Albany and
from there to ST. Louis and Hot Springs,
where he arrived on July %, he said.
Mr.. Mcintyre started to ask schepps
questions about his conversations with
certain witnesses In Hot Springs, some
OF whom mad testified seIore the commits
sion held there recently. Justice Con
suggested that the matter be deferred
until the testimony taken at the com
mission was put In evidence. Counsel
asked the court TO break the seal of the
commission and put the testimony In
evidence at this time, but Justice Gon
said It would only confuse matters and
no would leave It until later.
Denies Discussing Testimony.
Mr. Mcintyre introduced in evidence the
letter with Schepps wrote to Rose from
Hot Springs, In which he said he would
come back TO testify for Rose II the lat
ter wanted him to. Schepps said he had
money enough when he arrived at Hot
Springs to last him six months. He adj
mltted that he had frequently talked with
Rose, Valon and Weber about his testi-
mony since his return from Hot Springs,
but denied that they had discussed their
testimony with him.
Did you frame up on Becker In the
West Side court PRISON." asked Mr.. Nc
Intyre.
Schepps squared his shoulders, took
good hold on the arms OF the chair. and,
glarins at Mr.. Mcintyre, fairly shouted:
mo"
What do you understand tho definition
OF a squealer ISL" asked Mr.. Mcintyre.
anybody who tells the truth about
something that is hidden" was the an
sWer
Mr. Mcintyre showed the hand Of the
defence by asking the following questions,
all Of which Schepps answered negatively:
Were you acquainted with the fact that
Becker made thirteen raids on Sam"
PAIRS place I'm the ten weeks preceding
the murder? r., ...,.
Did you know that the gamblers offered
Rosehthal a large sum of money--say
$50 019-to leave the city, and that he kept
the money and did not go?
Did you know that because Rosenthal
kent the money and did not leave the
CITY that the gamblers consplred to kill
Rosenthal?
Mr.. Mcintyre said he was too weary to