New-York tribune., 1912-02-02
TRIES TO SHOW PERJURY
Detective in Lorimer Case Used
Dictagraph on MCGOWAN.
SAYS HIS PRICE WAS 5000
Alleged Conversations in Canada
and Columbus Related-Burns
in Clash with Counsel.

in Clash with Counsel.
Washington. Feb. How a dictagraph
was used 70 procure an alleged admission
from Charles MCGOWAN. the Hines-Lorimer
witness. that he "perjured' himself "heh
he swore that he did not hear G i. Wle"e
tell oF a Lorir1er election fund was eN-
plained 10 the Senate investigating com
mittee to-day by a. G. Bailey, Burns de-
tective. Bailey took the stand after the
fiery REORGANIZATION of Nlliiam D.
Burns. lie will he cross-cXamined Io-ihor-
row.
For nearly two hours Bailey read from
notes" made from day TO day of remarks
NcGcwan was alleged to have made 10
Bailey. posing as a claim adiuster OF the
American Bridge Company. These remarks
were alleged to have been made princlpeilH
on a hunting trip in Canada. on one oc-
cason, the detective said, MCGOWAN toiu
him he had written to Wiehe that he 'had
TO come across" He said McGoWah 'o''
him he only asked for 5000.
You should have made il ten, toid
him" Bailey swore.
1T certainly is worth 5000 to per)ure
ones self" McGowan was quoted as re-
plying
Later MCGOWAN was credited with say
ing that he would Ak "the whole Hines
bunch II they didn't come across
On another day Bailey said MCGOWAN
remarked that where ne made mistake
was when he made an affidavit for Shields
The name Of r. j. Shields had just been
used
shields had a pile OF money on the table
before him when ! signed tho affidavit
MCGOWAN was quoted as saying. "Shieins
said. 4 do not want to give you money
for making this affidavit. but we want TO
do the fair thing with you; the Hines
people have lots of money. l only took a
81 bill I was too green, or woue nave
taken ii all. that is what it was there for,
The detective told of going with MCGOWAN
to Chicago and of McGowan's alleged at
tennis 10 get money from Wiehe. One night
MCGOWAN was credited with saying ne
spent as a guest at Illness home.
when Mrs. Hines saw her husband and
me coming into the house she tainted
Bailey said McGowan reported. Bailey
added MCGOWAN said Hines told him ne
would be compensated by Wiehe
"It was the sorrest day for me when l
met Mr.. l.orimer." Hines was alleged 10
have been quoted as saying
on october 2S, Bailey said. MCGOWAN lelt
a note for him that everything was y
X" and that he had started for home.
II was here that Bailey's services Were
discontinued by the committee. only 10 De
resumed by THE Chicago Tribune in De-
Gambler In again getting in touch with
NcGowan. Bailey said he wrote the sub
iect" a letter, telling of his presence IN De-
trot and his intention TO visit Toronto.
The dictagraph was placed in hotel
room prepared for MCGOWAN. -.
AT Columbus, Ohio, l worked it under
q sofa " explained Bailey. Here we put
the disks on a table with a cover over IT.
Mr. MCGOWAN will probably recall there
WAS cover on the table McGowan re-
mained silent
In the presence Of II. f. Kerr, brass
EXPERT" of Detroit. and with Jimmy Shen-
dan or the dictagraph in an adjoining
room. Bailey swore 3cGowan said he got
s.. .sO5 from, Wishe the day he left Chicago
Bailey dlsfed McGowan as saying that
Wiehe warffed to give him only 800 or 500,
hut MCGOWAN told him he deserved more
than his expenses for having perjured HIM
self
Burns and Counsel Wranele.
war of words between William j.
Ru.ns and Judge Hanecy, Senator Lori
mer's counsel. was renewed to-day. when
Burns continued under cross-examinatlon
They got into a wrangle as soon as the eX-
animation began.
Judge Hanecy twitted Burns for belieV-
ing what a private detective had told him.
"The lawyers have not been able to con-
vince you that all detectives are crooked?
ne asked.
no: l include lawyers with crooked de-
tectives." Burns replied
The attorney asked il detective agencies
dill not at times employ yeggmen
"Yes. sometimes for crooked lawyers TO
blow up safes and get papers that lawyers
want
"By the way. Mr.. Burns you have boast
ed publicly since you have been in WASH
ineton that you lie TO newspaper men and
others" suggested the attorney
1--WE call it fnessing or using suhter-
fuse."
'"The ordinary man would call 1t lying|'
You do IL yourself" retorted Burns.
Burnss cross-examination closed before
recess.
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