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The Guthrie daily leader. [volume] (Guthrie, Okla.) 1893-1996, 1912-01-15
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rt,z SLEEPING eALLEoN.

TIE SLEEPING GALLEoN.
tln the BAY Of Tobermory. in the
lsie of Mull scotland one o. Nthe
FIST snips of The Spanish .ArnWda
lies t. this dayl tSf VI
Old galleon gold galeon
Suak low in Tohermory bay,
Arise shake off the surees dun
Thou oaken swan, to meet the day.
lirandish th polish masts again
| Like lances in the sunless blast
Let tl3 thy sonfalons of Spain.
Trample the foods that held thee
fast
tnloose thy blazoned canvass: weis
Ia} ru led ancnor from its bed.
Let an tbs silver clariohs oray
Calling. calling up thy dead.
| Lei the winds smte thy carven noon
Where stalked thy blac-hrowed adj
miral
Tho green and writhins kelp my loon
1hy cannon where The stariiish
sprawl
terrible terrible was the light
That from thy ttle?lanterns bled
Ger sWcrds and harness, sparkling
brignt
Like rubles in an idols head.
Now fall Thy crystal sea-tears cold.
Afmadlaa widow draped with
weeds.
With funeral moss ana weeds that
THY decks for maoaomplsaea
deeds
Dark We're the stars that bounded
Win gold and thunder in thy
womb
ana drove thee to a stronger sea.
And wrought for thee a sandy tomb.
Snarllns the alien waters drank
Thee down, bronze-girdled Amazon.
And with thee and thy sisters sank,
spain like a star whose dav is done
a star foredoomed 10 full eclipse
On realms tnat Spanish chains had
bound
By Santiago's shattered ships
And the red Manilian slaughter.
ground
Now fiercer meteors glare and trail
TheiI iron battle-hulks afoam-
COG spread each tattered flag and
sail.
Steer for Hispania. steer FOR home
Bear'st tho uno wealth save golden
bars
no armament save moldered guns
anst thou not home BY wiser stars.
with one great message for thy
s0ns2
i'ast is thine ancient ocean.realm.
Then die thy grief like Pnilips
rage
Return in peace-a and at thy helm
Inc Spirit of Vanward Age.
Herman Scheffauer in Harners
The Guthrie daily leader. [volume] (Guthrie, Okla.) 1893-1996, 1912-01-15
6eware OF Ointments for catarrh
That Contain Mercury.

as mercury viii surely destroy the
sense of smell and completely de
range the whole system wnen enter
ing It through the mucous surfaces.
Such articles should never be used
except on prescriptions from reput-
aole physicians, as the damage they
Will do is ten fold to the good you
can possibly derive from them. Halls
CatarrA Cure, manufactured by e. i.
Cheney & Co., Toledo, O.. contains
no mercury and is taken Internally,
acting directly upon the blood and
mucous surfaces of the system. In
buying Halls Catarrh Cure be sure
you get the genuine. 1t is taken in
ternally and made in Toledo, Oaio,
by +. j. Cheney & Co. Testimonials
tree.
Sold by Druggists Price, Use per
bottle.
Take lIalls Family pills for consti-
patton.
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Norman r Haskell a we'll known
attorney Of this city, has gone TO Ok
lahoma city to live and will move
his family there OH the first OF Feb
lruary
a new law firm has been formed
by + y Kister and Norman r. Has.
'kell Of this city. ami E. c. McAdams.
la we'll known iurist OF oklahoma
City The new firm viii be known
as Kistler, MeAdams and Haskell
with Offices in the two cities Mr..
Haskell and Mr. McAdams viii have
Offices in the Colcord building in Ok
lahoma City, while Mr. Kistler viii
remain in charge of the firms Office in
the surety building IN Mnskogee.
Muskngee Times Democrat.
The Guthrie daily leader. [volume] (Guthrie, Okla.) 1893-1996, 1912-01-15

lions may lack IN length. breadth and
thickness Is Well compensated for ii
Ithe quality Of the fiber In the read
instmen. Of things that has taken
place IN the past 1000 wears the
giants had TO go-aIong with the
mammoth and the mastodon. simply
ecause the world no longer needs
them in its business Al. reserc a
llJoct individual would NJ sopeless
~ out o. place ana in tha way
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READ THIS.

The Texas Wonder cures kidney
and bladder troubles. removes gravel
cures diabetes. weak and lame backs
rheumatism. and Irregularities of the
kidneys and bladder in both men and
women; regulates bladder trouble in
children. lf not sold by your drug
gist. it will be sent by mail on receipt
OF ST. One small bottle is two
months treatment, and seldom fails
to perfect a cure. Dr. r. w. Hail.
1926 Olive Street, St Louis, Mo. Send
for, testimonials from this and other
state Sold by druggists
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THE GIANTS OF THE PAST


Louisville CourierJournal a Hard
in county farmer has dug up a s6e.e
ton which measures twelve feet Tht
find was made at he loot of a elf
which evidently had been the bprla
ground OF a prehistoric race. as nu
merous other skeletons We're found
most OF them being NJ gigantic pro
portions. Snch places 0f sepnlchrt
are not uncommon ia Kentucky ant
thev are supposed TO date back a mat
ter of 2,000 years. 1t is evident thai
there were giants in those days
but the people now on earth do no'
know or care much about them.
Our predecessors whose Gar2ah
tuan frames have been sleeping ne
sleep of centuries did NOT leave us
any history OF themselves. Facilities
for making records of current events
were not good IN this country con-
pie of thousand years ago. IT the
giants left any notations on the cliffs
or elsew here they have been Obhter-
ated by "Time in his flight More
than likely they didn't leave any,
They led the simple life ana probably
knew no reason 81 by any one should
bother himself about reading and
writing or encumbef himself With
surplusage OF clothing They had no
telephones, telesraphs on rural free
delivery routes " hen they had
messages to exchange they sent word
Lacking so many Of the modern con
veniences 1T was fortunate that folks
grew tall They were bnilt for long
stepping and must have ben able TO
cover territory at an amazing rate
but life was not the feyered rush M
that far-away time that Il is at pres
ent and probably the only occasions
that called for hurry We're when The
family :arder was empty nd IL was
necessary to run down an elephant {.
secure q STEAK for breakfast or when
ii was prudent 70 put on little speed
10 escape from an angry mastadQN OF
something of the sort
n The dats when men were twelve
feet tail "snd built according there
must have been fish In SAT- river as
large as whales and serpents in the
Ohio long enough TO reach from
louisville TO West Point, Probably 1
the geoloaists would not c0ncede the /
existence OF the di prodoccus al so re I
cent a period but there must have
Deen many strange and immense AMI
mails O make il interesting and anus
ng and az times exciting for our
arge and lofty predecessors. Also
hesa prehistoric KenucNan1 hal %
lat and, knowing nothing about SCI
ntific farming they Here essentially
and, of course biz game
vas in demand They had few cook
ng vessels and ia ar wags lived
lose 10 nature Whether they dwelt
d caves or roasted in trees is not :
lateriai We may well imagine rhe} (;
elieved in and praciiced the fresn -
ir theory, since they lacked means !,
I'D ways Of poiuting the ozone or OF 4
leaning az their crude domiciles !.
erhaps tnst is one of The reasons
ny ihes grew tan ard sun-cr0Nne.i =.
nd wer aDle ~ leap across Rolling =
ork without taking q running start. !,
Kentucky soil has always produc- y
a superior class Of citizens. Inc p,
scoyerles OF the Hardin county
rmer supply valuable eviience 70
q effect that the soil acquired the
hit early and never has gotten ont
Il. Whatever the present genera
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If You Are A Trifle Sensitive

About The size Of your shoes. its
some satisfaction TO know that many
people can wear shoes size smaller
By shaking Aliens Foot Ease into
them lust the thing for Patent
Leather Shoes, and for breaking in
New Shoes, Soli Everywhere, 25c
Sample FREE Address, Alien s
Olmsted, lie Roy N. Y.
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A New York policeman wants to be
relieved from paying alimony because
ne is tired of supporting his wife S
second husband But 5 he prepared
TO review the allegations he made in
his divorce suit and say. the second
husband isn't earning the money?
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BEAUTIFuL WATCHES
FOR BOYS AND GIRLS.

FOR BOYS AND GIRLS.
Given for $500 orders for my Veg.
etables and Flour Seeds VIII send
big Is cent sample package Cat
a!os Premium list biggest bar
gains you ever heard of) All for 2
cents stamp to Introduce. Please
send also ne names Of several per-
sons VINO plant seeds,
a 7. COOK. Scotsman.
Hyde Park. n Y.
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The Chicago Recori-Herald thinks
it is impossible 10 say why lndiaui-
ans are called Hoosiers What does
1t matter Because it means q resi-
dent OF the hustlins state OF Indiana
ii is q title OF hcIOr.
The Guthrie daily leader. [volume] (Guthrie, Okla.) 1893-1996, 1912-01-15

The decision OF ap Ohio court Civ
ing $25. .00o to a man who inherited
ii from capricious sister and deciin-
ed TO separate from his wife in order
10 carry ont provisions of the viii as
an example OF he science of com
mon sense administering deserved
rebuke. which it Is 70 be hoped can
be heard By the departed crouch.
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Many~chlIdren Are sioklv.

Mother GraY's Sweet Powders fol
children Break up Colds in "a hours
relieve Feverishness. Headache, Stom
ach Troubles, Teethipe Disorders. and
Destroy Worms At all druggists
25c. Sample mailed FREE Address
Allen Olmsted, lie Roy, ~ Y.
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JOHNNY ON THE SPOT
lBY Associated press

Washington, D. G., Jan Besides
the force now enroute. nine hundred
men OF the United States marine
corps, i was learned today are now
~ China, dispatched there from the
Philippines in small numbers since
last October, Ifnitei States as early
as that date was moving quietly in
preparation for any eyentuality i'm
China
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In figuring the cost of producing q
pound OF WOOL some of the hoggish
advocates OF reasonable profit fix
ure in the cost OF producing the addi-
tional pound 10 pull over the eyes OF
the public And lobbes are eXpen-
GfVa
The Guthrie daily leader. [volume] (Guthrie, Okla.) 1893-1996, 1912-01-15

Persons troubled with partial par
alysis are often very much benefited
by massaging the affected parts
thoroughly when applying Chamber
latn's l.iniment This liniment also
relieves rheumatic pains For sale
by ali dealers
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The eRcago interocean SAYS the
fate ofyyersia shows what happens to
an paarmed nation ana answers all
W. rhetoric OF thousand peace and
disarmament arguments But doesn |
the condnct OF Russia sheW the bent
of heavily armed nations and beat all
OF the rhetoric as an argument for
arbitration and gradual disarmament
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SAVE YOUR HAIR.
HANSEN'S
ROYAL HAIR RENEWER

A great Danish discovery re.
store hair on Bald heads as i1any
thousands can testify-prev fall
ing out of hair Acts at once-and is
composed OF purest materials Is an
unsurpassed hair dresser The price
being extremely low places it within
the reach OF ali; One bottle viii con
vince the most skeptical Send so
cents (postal or money order) for
one bottle, postpaid. Hansen E.abora-
tory 473 Dean Street. Broollyn. n.
y AGENTS wanted in your city or
Town.
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Says Abe Martin "A feller that's
nominated By reclamation IS genera.
ly defeated tn same way You can't
keep good aviator down
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Speaking OF peonage how about the
fellow in New York who was ordered
20 pay the tul amount of his salary
20 his divorced wife as almony2
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n. SPECIFICS

Now hubby. give me your atten-
tion
Weli2'
What sort OF cigars do YOU want
Tor your Christmas I want to BUY
Inc right kind this wear
Panicllas They re just the shape
oi your new tube gown
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savino Time

wife, which show shall We take in
tonight?
Ill try 10 make up ms mind be-
tween now and dinner time
Make up your complexion at the
some lime. won't YOU
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Utitizinq Time

Muceh can be accomplished By uul
izjns the odd moments.
ihats right know woman
VINO read Rasseles' while She was
dummy at bridge
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GUTHRIE MINERAL WATER
Shipped by
Guthrie Mineral Water Co,
801 West Clevelanu Avenue. =
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Uncle PennyWise Says:
] "ont know which is Wuss. cpl
grams or dialect
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By LESLIE c. NIsLAcK.

MEMBER OF ASSOCIATED PRESS,
United Press Leased Nlre Service.
The daily sentinel., 1912-11-04
DIR. R.V. MILLS
LEAVES CITY

DR.. r. V. Mills, who for the last
six or eight years has been we'll
known local dentist, and who has
Just sold his office fixtures and
practice to DR.. j. w. Duffy of Green
River, leaves tonight on No. for
Portland, Ore, where he will open
dental parlors. DR.. Mills has been
an officer of the local militia COM
pany since its organization and has
been prominent in many public move
ments during his residence in Grand
Junction.
DR.. Mills and wife leave a large
number of friends here, who will
greatly regret their departure, but
will wish them unlimited happiness
and success in their new home.
The daily sentinel., 1912-11-04
RIVAL COWBOYS TO RIDE SIX
FUCKERS" FOR $500 PURSE

A bitter rivalry existing between
two Whitewater COW punchers and
broncho busters, John Bowling and
John Carver will be settled tomorrow
at Whitewater, when the two meet in
match for $500 side, each man
to ride six of the widest, nastiest
bucking horses that western Colorado
has produced. The contest has ar
oused the interest of hundreds in the
Whitewater, Hannah creek and Una
weep canon sections and many bets
are being made on the two men.
Both are skilled busters and have
appeared at the Mesa county fair here
on bucking horses. OF late the re-
spective qualities of the two riders
has caused lot of heated contro-
versy and the match is the result,
Both agree to let this one match
settle the whole affair as to who is
the best man on a horse. II is esti-
mated that $500 will change hands
in addition to the purse.
The event will be part of the big
celebration for the completion of the
new mountain water system White
water has acquired. There will be
other bucking contests, wild horse
races, cowboy relay races, free for all
relay, roping contest, and other
sports, partaken in by several score
OF riders. 1t will be Whitewater S
biggest day and will shine on down
through history of that little city on
the banks of the Gunnison, which
is shaking its 80 year old title of
"a wide place in the road and taking
on metropolitan ways.
Tomorrow being election day
guaranteed more than 200 visitors in
Whitewater and the events were
scheduled for election day on that
account. There will be a big feed
for all at the hotel and probably a
dance in the town hall in the evening
The daily sentinel., 1912-11-04
WEATHER FORECAST
Furnished by
D. g. WEATHER BUREAU.

For Grand junction and vicinity:
Generally fair, but much cloudiness,
this afternoon and tonight. Tuesday
fair. Not much change in tempera-
ture.
For Colorado: Tonight and Tues
day generally fair, not much change
in temperature.
Nov. 3. 1912. 8 y. m. Tempera-
ture, 40; relative humidity, so per
cent; wind, / mile per hour; wealth
er, part cloudy.
Nov. 4, 1912. 6 a. m. Tempera-
ture, "a; relative humidity, 92 per
cent: wind, miles per hour; wealth.
er, cloudy.
tHighest temperature yesterday,
43: same date last year. Sc; same
date during past twenty years. Sc.
Lowest temperature this morning,
33; this date last year 2S; this date
during past twenty years, 23.
Mean temperature yesterday, 3S;
which is below normal.
Precipitation during the past "a
hours. .02 inch; total since the first
of month, .02 inch; normal for this
month, SO inch.
The daily sentinel., 1912-11-04
MAY ORGANIZE
EX-STAR TEAM

Herman Vorbeck is planning the
organization of a football team to be
composed of players who have play
ed on the high school team in this
city in years past, to match them
against any team that will try their
strength against them. The team
will be called The Ex-Stars" if Mr.
Vorbecli succeeds in arousing enough
interest.
Among old local players who are
eligible are the following: Robert
Vorbeck, Rae Kennedy, Luke Gex
Ralph Jacobshagen, Ray Slocomb,
Whipple Chester, Mark Bunting,
Ralph Todd. Rex Barber Cosgroye
Hines, Roy Hickman, Glenn Merrill,
Frank DuCray. Wilbur Hards
Harold RhOne, Fritz Halbouer,
Grover Rice, Earl Johnson, Stanley
Reid, and others. The team would
easily average 15S pounds and would
contain some of the fastest men ever
turned out by the local school. 1t
is hoped to get the team lined up
for game within two weeks.
The daily sentinel., 1912-11-04
PASTOR
TURNS DOWN
CAhARD

Every pastor in the city yesterday
received a copy of the attack made
upon James B. Pearce by a commit
tee OF Denver ministers. This attack.
after being published in Denver. was
copied and distributed to every min
lister in the state with an urgent an
peal that 1t be read before each con
gregation.
No defense of Pearce aecompanied
the letter and several of the Grand
Junction pastors refused to give any
publicity whatsoever to the message.
Others, after using it, commented
feelingly on that method of cam
paigning. One or two read it with
out comment
Today scores of church people are
commenting on the style of mud
singing that is uesd by Denver min.
listers and the efforts to bring the
churches over the state into the cam
paign. ---.....
Mr.. Pearce has made emphatic de-
nial of all the charges made against
him and has, to the minds of many,
proven his case. At any rate the
slurs against his character were not
made public until the very eve of
the election.
Local ministers are to be congratu-
lated for refusing to allow themselves
to be made party to such campaign
methods.
The daily sentinel., 1912-11-04
ROOSEVELT IS
AGAIN MAKING
A STATEMENT
Associated Press.

Aoobtldltu TESS.
Oyster Bay, N. Y, Nov. An a
statement issued today Theodore
Roosevelt declared that the republi-
can leaders are advising their fol-
lowers to vote for Wilson If they do
not feel that they can support Taft.
The great concern of the bosses, says
Roosevelt, is to defeat the progress
siyes.
THE financiers and bosses of this
type are really non-partisan," says
the statement. They are nominally
republican, but know that they can
always make terms with the cores
ponding bosses of the democratic
party. If they cant keep their con-
troll of the country through the re-
publican party. they think the next
best thing will be to put the demo-
cratic bosses in power"
The daily sentinel., 1912-11-04
TAYLOR WILL Be POWER FOR
HIGH LINE IN CONGRESS IF
REELECTED BY HIS FRIENDS

In 1910 large number of people
were induced to vote against Ed
ward T. Taylor or Congressman-a
large because 1t was pointed out at
that time that he would be powerless
to help the High Line canal and
other interests of this section in
Washington because he would be
democrat in a republican admins
tration. This year the same men
who voted and worked against Mr..
Taylor on the basis of this argu-
ment are supporting him.
MIR. Taylor is in the house of repre-
sentatives which is already largely
democratic and will be overwhelm-
ingly so this year. There is little
doubt but that the senate will change
its political complexion this year
while Wilson's election is conceded
on all sides.
This means that there will be new
faces in Washington; new people un-
familiar with some of the matters
which seriously and vitaly concern
Grand Junction and western Colo
rado. Edward 7. Taylor will be need
ed there.
Although work has been COM
menCed in earnest on the High Line
canal the project will need strong
friends in Washington to keep the
construction going on without pause
or intermission. Taylor will be more
valuable than ever before not only
because of his experience but because
of his added influence with a demo-
cratic administration.
Vote for Taylor and the High
Line.
The daily sentinel., 1912-11-04
WOMAN IS SANE

Associated Press.
Los Angeles, Nov. Mrs. Pansy
Hastings Lesh, who is in jail here
awaiting her removal to Sedalia, Mo,
where she will be tried for murder,
was declared sane today by Alienist
Fisher
The woman is charged with pol
soning Mrs. Eliza Coe and Mrs. NJ.
A. Quintance half dozen years ago
She says she committed the crimes
at the suggestion of William Junker'
for whom she worked as a husekeep-
er after leaving her husband,
The daily sentinel., 1912-11-04
Weather Conditions.
observations taken st 6 a. M,

SohSh ~ .@ A%'t
Mountain time.)
The High that was central over
Texas Saturday morning is now cen
tered off the Middle Atlantic coast
and covers the country from the Gulf
of Mexico - New England. Morn
ing temperatures considerably above
the seasonal average are resulting
from the east Gulf coast to New Eng
land. Freezing temperatures occur
red in eastern Tennessee and the in
derior of North Carolina. A moderate
disturbance is central over Mime
sofa, but 1t caused no precipitation
of consequence during the past "a
hours: but 1t has produced con-
siderable rise of temperature since
Sunday morning in the Lake region
and the upper Mississippi and lower
Ohio Valleys. The pressure is rising
on the coast of California and Or
egon; and unsettled weather is re-
sulting in Oregon and Washington.
Light rains have occurred also IN
western Colorado and in portions OF
Utah, Nevada and Idaho.
Unsettled weather, but generally
fair. may be expected in this vicinity
this afternoon and tonight, tolioW-
ed by fair Tuesday.
e. S. NICHOLS.
Local Forecaster.
The daily sentinel., 1912-11-04
McCarys Home from Game.

c. ?. MCCary and his WlTe re-
turned yesterday noon from Colo
RADIO Springs, where they witnessed
the defeat of the Colorado college
football team at the hands of the
state university team from Boulder
of which their son, Philip is left
half-back. The game was won by
the silver and gold team by the score
of 10 to Z.
The daily sentinel., 1912-11-04
Will Arrive Tonight.

DR.. J. ". Duffy OF Green KIVeT,
who recently purchased the dental
office, fixtures and practice OF Dr.
r. v. Mills, will arrive in the CITY
this evening from Green River 10
open up his office in the G. V. bank
building at once. DR.. Duffy Is wen
known, here, having had offices IN
the Reed building prior to selling our
to DIR. McKenna. He has many friehus
here who will be glad to welcome hfil
back
The daily sentinel., 1912-11-04
Hurry Retliker Home.

Harry Rediker, who has been work
ing at Walsenburg all summer, has
returned in order to cast his vote
tomorrow He says Walsenburg has
a population of 5000 now, is growing
fast and has 2S saloons, wide open
town in all respects. He reports that
he finds plenty of work for brick
masons and Is continually busy. He
returns tomorrow.
The daily sentinel., 1912-11-04
ISIiss 1t Last.

Friend-Given up housekeepIng
and gone to hotel, eh? How do
you like hotel life?
AicTiff-First rate. Never was so
happy in my life.
Friend-Where are you staying?
McTiff-I'm at the st. Charles and
my wife's at the st. James"
London Opinion.
The daily sentinel., 1912-11-04
Fccney Gets Back.

l.. F. Feeney of Palisade, who has
been managing a ranch at Paonia all
summer was in the city today on his
way to Palisade. He is thinking Of
returning 10 his eastern home in VIII
mington, Del, soon, but will return
here