The Pensacola journal. (Pensacola, Fla.) 1898-1985, 1912-09-24
Told Postmaster at Hot
Springs It Would Send
Becker to the Chair.
THIS DEVELOPED AT THE HEAR
ING IN HOT SPRINGS TO DE-
TERMlNE WHAT ScHEPPS HAD
SAID WHILE IN THAT CITY,
THE LIE Is PASSED AMONG
THE LAWYERS IN THE CASE.

Hot Springs, Ark. Sept. 23.-Hear-
ing of evidence to determine what
Sam Schepps, held as material wit
ness in the murder case of Herman
Rosenthal. the New York gambler,
said at the time of his arrest here
was featured tonight by the testi-
mony of Postmaster Fred e. Johnson,
who alleged Schepps said HE knew
his evidence would send Police Lieu
tenant Becker to the chair" Johnson
testified nothing to indicate that
Schepps exculpated the police lieu
tenant of the killing. The hearing ad-
Journed tonight.
The lie was passed In the hearing
before Special Commissioner Huff
John w. Hart. representing Becker,
asked to have other witnesses than his
one additional, Gilbert Hogaboom, ex-
amined. District Attorney Whitman
declined, referring to the stipulation
| made Saturday and the fact that only
one person, Hogaboom, had then been
named.
L. e. Sawyer, Hot Springs lawyer
retained by Hart, asked Mr.. Whit
man If he would not agree to examina-
ton of material witnesses after the
regular order had been exhausted.
IT will not" Whitman declared.
These tactics are old in New York"
What do you mean by tactics? ?"
Sawyer asked.
Delay" was Whitman's response.
do you insinuate that this Is meant
for delay?" asked Sawyer.
II make no insinuation at ALL" Whit
man replied. 81 state It as a fact"
You are liar" shouted Sawyer.
"Oh you Arkansas" retorted Whit
man with laugh.
you little shrimp interposed
Hart, leaning over tne table toward
Whitman.
The district attorney would not
glance in Harris direction, but con-
tinued to laugh at Mr.. Sawyer. The
hearing then adjourned until tonight
A late session is likely.
WHY HE WAS an BAD"
Editor Hotchkiss. the first witness,
verified copies of letters from Schepps
to Jack Rose and from Rose to
Schepps and said the letters were de-
livered to ]. Robert Rubin, an assist
ant to Mr.. Whitman. The witness also
verified an interview with Schepps in
which Schepps said in effect that if
Rosenthal had not been "poacher''
of women and girls he would not have
been "in so bad
1t Is said here that James L. Ora
ham, Hot Springs lawyer. has stated
that Schepps, while in this city, en-
gagged him as counsei and in confer
ence entirely exculpared Police Lieu
tenant Becker. Graham, it is said,
will not appear in the proceedings at
Hot Springs.
ID.
called as a witness. Mr.. Hart, coun-
sci for Becker. interposed an objection
to the officers testimony, stating he
did so 'for the sake of the records"
Mr.. Whitman retorted that Howell
had been named by the defense and
that the interrogatories had been fled
approved and forwarded after a con-
tinuance of the Becker trial.
Mr.. Hart admitted as much, but de-
clared the defense does not now de-
sire to call Howell.
Commissioner Huff announced that
Howell was named in the papers that
he had received ana ruled that he
would call Howell to answer the
formal questions.
Howell told Mr.. Hart last week
that Schepps declared Becker had said
to the gunner that unless the gun
men killed Rosenthal, he, Becker,
would kill Rosenthal.
Howell today explained Schepps had
told him he had gone with Jack Rose
to Harry Pollak's rooms after the kill
ing. He said Schepps told him Of
having been at Becker's house after
the killing and that Schepps said he
wanted to strike a match to light
cigarette while in Becker's house.
Becker, according to what Howell re-
lated Of Schepps's conversation, for
bade the striking OF the match and
told Schepps they were being watch
ed. He directed Schepps to leave and
go down the street and return in
short time. Further details Of the
occurrence were not related by
Schepps. according TO Howell.
Howell verified Schepps's alleged in