New-York tribune., 1912-03-13
WOMEN DEBATE SUFFRAGE
Mrs. J. NJ. Gundry, of Ohio,
Speaks Against the Cause.
PELTED WITH QUESTIONS
Mrs. Aldrich Says 1T Is Ignorant
Women Who Will Save Us
from Tammany."

Mrs John NJ. Gundry. anti-suffragist.
from Cleveland. who went to meeting Of
the Woman's Republican Club at Del
monicos yesterday to debate upon suf-
frage with Mrs. Margaret Chanler Aid
rich, must have felt before she got through
that this club ought TO be rechristened
THE Votes-for- Women Club" Besides
Mrs. Gundry there was only one anti
there. and she hid behind chair while
the women pelted the anti from the Middle
West with questions and remonstrances
and laughter. and didn't come out till the
bombardment was over.
Once the meeting almost broke up in in
dignation at the words OF Mrs. Gundry,
who, by the way, is exceedingly mild and
sweet Of aspect. Mrs. Clarence Burns
stated I'm the discussion which followed the
De bate that she didn't share Mrs. Gun
dry's fear of the ignorant woman's vote,
for in the WORK OF the Little Mothers Aid
Association she had found that the tene-
ment house women read the newspapers
and knew much more than the tenement
house men
Then they neglect their homes" said
Mrs. Gundry. "If they did their house
work properly they would have no time to
read the newspapers"
Groans and obs" sounded all over the
room Don't you want the poor things to
have any recreation" demanded a woman
in red hat. Would the antis deny us
the right TO read, as well as the right to
vote?"
A second wave OF Indignation broke
when Mrs. Gundry declared that under
woman suffrage factory girls would be the
tools Of their bosses-that they would
vote in blocks"
Evidently" exclaimed Mrs. Ernest
Bunzel with flashing eyes. you don't be-
lieve in the secrecy of tho ballot"
lin afraid I don't" murmured Mrs.
Gundry. sinking into her chair
Mrs. Aldrich, who took the suffrage side
in the debate. had a good deal TO say
about the Ignorant women" of whose
vote Mrs. Gundry expressed fear.
1T Is those very ignorant women who
will save us from Tammany," exclaimed
Mrs. Aldrlch. They care for their chill
dren they want good schools, good streets,
good milk. After ALL who are the 'edu-
Gated women? Are they the sheltered
ones. whose days are spent in going to
receptions and teas? No! The educated
women are those who come into contact
with the stern facts OF life. Those are the
women. and | am not afraid of
their vote"
Mrs. Aldrich said her experiences in the
town where she spent her summers had
proved to her that women were better mu-
nicipal housekeopers than men,
once, / remember" she said some
streets had to be paved The town had the
paving OF some, and one OF the churches
had TO attend to those around its prop
erty The latter streets were promptly
OF the church members were
women. The other streets, which were I'm
the hands OF the town fathers, Jagged un-
paved for long. long time"
Speaking of paving" cried a woman in
"A white feathered hat, Il got notice from
the police to have my pavement done over.
/ sent for workmen. and next day / was
standing In my door watching them do the
pavement when along came my neighbor.
a man Well well" he said, why didn't
YOU give the police s. and you wouldn't
have had this bother?' I've been making
a study of payements since then, and
find that where there's n neglected pave
ment it's generally in front Of property
owned By a man; the good pavements are
where there's a woman owner. There's a
brewery In this town which has mostly
broken bricks for a pavement, and I've
been trying to figure out how many glasses
Of beer the police get out of that"
So high did the suffrage feeling run that
Mrs. James Griswold Wentz, president Of
the club, turned her gave over to the
vice epresident and made a suffrage speech
which goaded Mrs. Gundry TO the extent
of rising and saying that Anyhow. Judge
Lindsey of Denver had declared that no
good ever came out OF woman suffrage"
Mrs Wentz crushed her with a look.
Judge Lindsey has said that the wom-
strong emphasis on the him"
Mrs. Gundry, did you hear Judge Lind
sey say that no good had come out of the
Of women" cried Mrs.
Burriei. Because 1 heard him say the
exact opposite last winter and f.
But lust then two male persons i'm uni
form threw open some doors and displayed
tables loaded with luncheon: whereupon
the disputants streamed out to eat with
what appetite they might.