The Washington times., 1912-05-23
Claim Present Laws Suf-
ficient If Enforced BY
. the Authorities.
SOUTHWEST NOT so
BAD AS PAINTED
Would Limit Number of Saloons
to About Those at Present
In Business.
Continued from First Page.)


II 1t is only at an opportune time that
a person can obtain anything-not only
liquor, 1T anything else-he is not apt
to overlook that opportunity to get all
his appetite desires l heard DR.. Childs,
the colored man who made a statement
in the Government employ as a milk
inspector. He gets around consider
ably, / imagine.
The colored people that DR.. Childs
of that class that, whether we have
saloons or not, would be shiftless
and would not prosper very much. /
do not believe that the poverty that
pie can be charged to the liquor busi-
ness On the contrary, excessive
drinking can bc charged very often
to poverty. Certainly the liquor busi-
with employment; great number Of
them are employed in the capacity of
porters and walters and cooks around
these places md az chambermaids. They
work In these places and the liveli-
hood that they derive from It, think,
Will favorably compare with any
other one occupation in the city.
Or: childs also said a great deal
crimes against women by colored
men; We have 100, 900 colored people
that there has been no undue show
or display on the part of these 100, 900
colored citizens to Justify this savior
remarks: They do not appear to be
dtsorderly or unusually aggressive to
such on alarming degree as he pic
lures them. On the other hand, 1t
usual number of colored people that
we have here in the District of Co.
lumbia and such a remarkably small
police force It is pretty orderly
n nr6n ptf
The Chairman-My recollection is that
some one stated the other day that In
southwest Washintgon-that is about
srs 1ns way piyst they defined the imtstaere
stand it, was in the colored section
there, and I gathered the impression
that they were IN rather a small neigh
borhood. II that Is correct. do you
permitted?
Mr.. Harvey-well, southwest Wash
ington embraces quite a good-sized ter
ritory. If there are ninety saloons down
there. / do not know 1t; am not IA
miliar with the exact number.
=, The Chairman-I do not know about
1t, either. 1t Is just statement that
was made here the other day.
Mr. Harvey-I heard it, too. You are
exactly right; that is what I heard;
that is what I understood.
be correct. from what you know Of the
neighborhood down there. do you think
that ought to be permitted?
Mr., H9rvey-They- are not all colored
people down there by great deal and
most of the people down in southwest
Washington, I believe, are in ordinary
circumstances There are a number
Of people living down there. as in other
parts OF the city, in all walks of life. 1t
Is quite a good sized territory. From
what I have observed, 1t does not ap-
pear to me that there are that many
places. If there are that many places
down there
Senator Works-That is not the ques-
ton the chairman asked.
Mr.. HarVey-If there are that many
places down there. the only way I could
determine whether 1t was proper or not
would be to figure In proportion to the
population of the other parts Of the city
and how many saloons are located there.
The Chairman-Ypu know the general
conditions down there, do you not?
Mr.. Harvey-Yes, cir.
The Chairman-And the classes of the
gagged in? Now, from your knowledge
Of the situation down there
Mr.. Harvey--Do you mean the saloon
business down there?
Saloons In the Southwest.
The Chairman-No; the people gener-
ally-the inhabitants. From your knowl-
edge Of the people down there, their oc-
cupations, and that sort of thing, do
you think that ninety saloons ought to
be permitted in that territory?
Senator Works-Now, answer the ques-
ton.
Mr.. Harvey-I, will not say mo- and
I am giving the best answer can.
/ am in this position: I perhaps get
into southwest washington Just as little
as any man here here have have not not any bust
son to go there. If the number of
people down there does not justify that
many saloons, that many saloons should
not be there. I must fall back on that
present law-that the Excise Board has
the discretionary power about granting
those licenses.
The Chairman-YoI know what knowl-
reference to the conditions down in
that southwest territory, do you not?
Mr.. Harvey-Yes. sir.
Tho Chairman-You know what you
the patrons of those places and their
ability to pay, and the work they are
engaged in, and all that sort of thing.
Have you sufficient knowledge to ex-
press an opinion as to whether ninety
saloons are too many in that territory?
Mr.. HarVey-I will not say that ninety
saloons are not too many. No; will
not say that.
The Chairman-You have not informa-
tion sufficient ito warrant you in MAX
ing a positive statement, one way or
the other, in reference to 1t?
Mr.. Harvey-Yes.
The Chairman-That comes, suppose,
as near as we can get to it.
Mr.. Harvey--You have the steamboat
wharYes down there in southwest Wash
ihcton. There are thousands of people
Eoing down there in the summer time,
and In the winter time tho boats COM
ing in there are we'll patronized. The
Norfolk boats come In there and excur-
sion boats. Travel. as you know, to
tnesc boats goes down to southwest
Washington. That takes a great crowd
OF people down to that section. Then.
the oyster and iish wharVes are there.
l'nere Is no doubt that some of those
u:oplr may be natroas of the places
ir the immediate vicinity of the
Wharves. That perhaps. might make
q man feel that location around near
the wharVes was good for Ibis business
That would increase, the number Of
PLACES II tkorc are ninety places dowh
there, AMI 7 do not understand that
hit do understand there arc sixty to
Sc, entY, all told. in southwest Washing
ton. They have been there for many
wears. and, perhaps, very few OF then
Ii any. have been established in the last
few years.
Ought to Be Limitation.
Senator works-Do YOU tkl3k from the
point OF visw OF the public interest
trara co,ild he toO MANY saloons in