El Paso herald. (El Paso, Tex.) 1901-1931, 1912-10-25
READ RECORDS IN
DYNAMITE CASE
Jury to Hear IrOnworkers
Talks as Recorded by
Telephone "Spy.'

Indianapolis, Ind, Oct 25.-Records
taken by government stenOgraphers OF
conferences held in the offices Of the
International Association Of Bridge and
Structural Iron workers after the
officials of that union had been indicted
for alleged completely with the Nc
Namara brothers were produced for
Identification at the dynamite con-
spiracy' trial today.
Ralph ". Douglass, a newspaper
man, was called to testify as to the
presence Of a telephone spy system
in the union headquarters. For two
months government stenOgraphers,
hidden in a room below, recorded what
was said in the Iron Workers office.
Douglass said the sound receiver
was under president Frank NJ Ryan
desk. Secretary Herbert s. HOckln was
in the same room at a desk formerly
occupied by J. J. Mcnamara the con-
feSsed dynamiter.
The government announced that the
photographers reports are 10 be read
to the jury.
H. ". PohIman testified that Eugene A
Clancy, of san Francisco, was in Seattle
in August, 1910, before the Los Angeles
Times building was blown up. j. 3.
Mcnamara was in Seattle at the same
time experimenting to find way to
make an electric spark for bombs with
out the use of n Illuminating cap. On
August 81 a Seattle office building IN
der construction by an open shop"
firm was dynamited.
Pohlman said he afterwards met
Clancy in San = ranciscO and saw Olaf
A. Tvietmoe, secretary of the California
building trades council, in Los Angeles
for the first time eight months ago.
Hauled nitro In Wagons.
How J. B. Mcnamara and Ortie r.
McManigaI carried away nitroglycer-
inc by the wagon load was described
by Charles C. Kiser.
Kiser, who now lives at Tulsa, Okla,
was manager of a plant for the manu-
facture of explosives at Albany, Ind,
when in 1908. he said, the dynamiters
him and hauling it away in wagons to
Muncie, Ind. The government, in
charging the As men on trial with
completely, says that the McNamaras
resOrted to nitrOglycerine in blowing
up jobs after they found dynamite was
not strong enough. and that they rent
ed q house in Muncie to house the ex-
plosives.
Mcnamara Posed as Clark.
zone day. in response to telephone
call from Indianapolis" Kiser said, Il
met J. B. Mcnamara at Muncie- He
represented himself as being George
J. Clark, a contractor of Peoria, Ill,
and said he wanted nitroglycerine to
blow up some bitches near Indianap-
oils. He said he had tried dynamite
and it wasn't strong enough. agreed
to sell him 20 quarts, and L delivered it
to a farm three miles from Albany
on the road to Muncie.
"a month later he bought 80 quarts.
I didn't hear anything from him until
a year later when he and McManigal
bought 120 quarts. When I took it to
the farm they had two rigs waiting
and had prepared u boxes in which to
pack the cans. Afterwards / wrote to
Clark at the address at Peoria but the
letter was returned
The boxes referred to by Kiser later
were found in the house in Muncie,
which the government charges We're
rented by Herbert S. HOckin, now sec
rotary Of the international AssOcIa-
ton of Bridge and Structural Iron
Workers Children of the neighbOr-
hood, thinking the house vacant, en-
tered it to play, and according to the
governments charges skated over the
floors near where explosives were
stored.
Threatened By Union.
John w. Ghilou, foreman Of a con-