The Mathews journal. (Mathews C.H. [Court House]) 1903-1937, 1912-02-08
The LORIMER
- INVESTIGATION

- Investigation
WASHINGTON, d. c., Special
when the LOrimer committee re-
| summed its hearing today William ]
| Burns again took the stand, and his
| croSS-examinatiOn was continued BY
Judge Hanecy. counsel for Senator
Lorlmer. Young McGowan. whose
testimony Burns Is seeking to i'm
peach, was present.
Trouble between Judge Hanecy and
! Detective Burns started immediately
! Turns again became angered by the
sarcasm of the attorney. When Judge
| Hanecy asked q question with a fling
AZ Burns in it. Attorney Healy, for
the committee, said; Mr.. Chairman.
| that Is uDcalled for"
Mr.. Chairman" returned Judge
lianecy. Il submit that Mr.. HeaIY Is
not a mentor for me or any one else"
No." interjected Burns, nor I'll
not permit you to sit there and in
! suit me-
oh. you can't De tnsuItcd." sheer
ed HanecY.
"haiemsn DuIlnsham raped loud
! y Tor order. and there was much
contusfsn in the room as he COM
niss Gded the attorneys and the Wit
ness to proceed in order.
am not being treated fairly"
ss~tSaNeu DuTnS' InaS ulao mas been
huliy-raSgtnS everybody who has
come on the stand. do not pro
isose TO be insuited. and II he Keeps
IA will tell something about HE
eputatf0n."
oh. L guess mY reputation is all
tsht. commented Judge Hanecy.
Then the members of the commit
=e got mixed up In the controversy
a Senator Kenyon asked Ii the Wit
ess ala not have right To protect
Certainly" replied Chairman Dill
| ltnghRm- but do not feel that he
! should interrupt counsel In their dis
! cnssioa.'
Judge HanecV then interroxa,ed
turns on an article in the Chicago
tribune which said that Burns had
| reported TO the Investigation commit
see that he had found evidence that
MCGOWAN had committed perjury.
Senator Jones said he wanted il
. UNDERSTOOD as one member of the
committee he had never known that
Hurns had made any such report to
the committee.
Burns also admitted he had not re-
ported to any member of the com
mittee. but Heaiy said the substance
or the story had been reported to
him and to his assistant, Mr. Marble
Chairman Dillingham; said a state
ment concerning the services OF the
Burns agency for the committee
would be inserted IN the record as
/ soon as il could be prepared.
There was a long Hrangle over the
question of the employment OF the
Burns agency Finally Attorney Mar
bic, for the committee, made the state
Uene that the services of the Burns
agency were discontinued last October.
ana that the reason was that the
agency was not getting anywhere"
Judge Hanecy read from a press
statement given out , by Burns, In
which he is alleged to have said that
Hines millions could not corrupt him.
GOmpers.
did you ever make that state
Tnent?'' asked Judge Hanecy.
made that in substance" replied
the witness.
'Dtd any of Mr.. Hines' millions. or
asked Hanecy.
NO. sir: but 1 had been told GER
tain things that Hines had said and
that led me to make the statement"
said Burns
Judge Hanecy then questioned the
witness at length regarding his CON
ference with James Kelley. editor Of
the Chicago Tribune. relative to taking
up the work again with respect to the
MCGOWAN testimony.
Your agency Is q reputable con-
cern," said Judge Hanecy. switching
YES" said Burns, "'and am will
ing to prove it even to your satisfac-
ton"
You don't need to prove 1t, do you?
You are willing to admit it?"
Yes. am willing to admit IL"
You did not succeed in convincing
attorneys at all times of that?"
In many OF my speeches have
included lawyers with crooked detec-
tives: who double-crossed their CHI
From whom did you learn vour
opinion OF these private detectives ?"
From nay experience In dealing
done."'
"You have said since you have been
IN washington that you and your de-
tectives frequently lied. That Won
found 1t necessary to do so; haven't
your"
We call that fnessing, cursing sub
! terfuge. which we think is permissi
hIe; but want to say that my cards
are always on the table. am always
telling the public about these crooks
| and giving them the widest publIcitv,"
What you call hnesslng Is what or
ninariiy Is known as Iying?"
wen. some lawyers do the same
thing. Yoo have done II yourself
many times"
Your opinion and mine on the
matter of these private detectives do
not seem to disagree"
II am glad that Ia So"
A little later on Burns referred TO
one of his operatives as an honest
detective. which led Ilanecy to re-
mark:
1T may he necessary for detectives
TO give one an"th~r good regulations
IA the stand"
lh-y 'n, XIV You One.'' snap
ped the witness.
No: w",Idnt wnnt one from
wa" repIie1 ttanscy.