The Washington times., 1912-08-23

said Clapp.
But they can do It with forged let
ters," retorted Penrose.
Photographs Barred.
I'm delighted with the chairman's
ruling" Archbold interjected.
There will be no photograph of this
committee" was Clapp's emphatic an
swer, although ] am In favor OF the
widest publicity"
Archbold was sworn with upraised
hand. He then gave his name and res
II made two contributions" said
Archbold, 'one to Mr.. Bliss of 100000
and $4,000 to SENATOR Penrose. 1t
was some time in September. 1t was
given to Mr.. Bliss in currency. We
were alone in my office, rs Broadway.
Mr.. Bliss sent me receipt for. the
money, but have not found It, hope
Archbold promised to try to find the
Bliss receipt and produce 1t.
"I talked before with Mr.. Bliss, early
H. II. Rogers. Certain matters were
talked over and we agreed to contribute
800, ,o00"
"Mr. Rogers is dead, too?" asked
Yes" said Archbold.
Did you send a check for $25,ooo to
Mr.. PenroseT' asked Clapp ;,
mo, sir, I do not find any record"
"I think + paid 1t in currency. No
copy OF anv such letters as have been
| published exists.
my agreement and the payment, l
think. was made at my office. The sus-
picious nature of the signature attached
to the published letters makes 1t look
was anyone present with you and
mot that I recall: possibly Mr..
Rogers He had a good deal Of re-
sponsibility in this matter"
You were the man in charge Of these
| matters?'
only in some localities" said Arch
bold.
| gave to Mr.. Penrose," added Arch
After the payment of the s25,oOo did
you have any conference with any OF
the national committeeF' asked Ciapp:
.".I did said Archbold. With Mr.:
Bliss early in October-1 or 2-perhaps
two or three conferences. Mr.. Rogers
had been present"
The result was that we declined to
make a further contribution requested.
Did Not Meet Cortelyou.
Ibid you have any conferences with
| Mr.. Cortelyou?" he was asked.
' mo, none at ALL said the oil mag
| nate.
'I did not have any conferences with
reference to any contrioutions' pu'
paign, Including Senator Dick and Sen
ator:; Scott. had no conferenoeS re-
garding contributions"
I'm the fall Of 1904 were you inter-
ested in United States steel?" he was
acked.
MAY be as a small shareholder: I
do not know" the witness said; Arch.
bold also denied having any Interest
in any other trusts at that time. He
| also denied heirp connected with any
| railroad system.
He denied having any conference re.
| garding contributions with any railroad
| official.
Limited to Standard Oil.
! Then your action was limited to be-
ing a member of the Standard OIL Com
pany?" asked .Clapp.
| They were." answered Archbold.
Archbold said he may also have made
a small personal contribution to the
campaign fund. .
II do not know IL Mr.. Rogers or John
D. Rockefeller made any further con-
tributions," added Archbold.. "william
Re ckefeller vas cognizant of this trans
action with Mr.. Bliss and Senator Pen
rose. told him of 1t. 1 have no per
sonal knowledge of any other contribu'
t!ons.
II knew of the talk about the Har-
riman contribution, but have no per.
sonal knowledge"
Were you solicited personally by
Hartman to contributor" asked
mo, was not party to it.
understood 1t was to be S250,0O0. l knew
of other contributions only by news
paper reports
Senator Pomerene took up Archboid''
cross-examination.
II understand 1t was former Secre
tary Bliss that first talked with yol
!, ! hNt, he. III t1tno hn oolrn
1T was-about week before l CAV,
Bliss, Rogers, and I went over th'
campaign. We talked about Mr.. Roose
terests. Mr.. Bliss said he though
Roosevelt would be fair and impartial.
we talked over party policies ant
the platform. We thought Mr.. Roose
the tariff. It was a party question
first. Mr.. Bliss expressed strong belle
that Mr.. Roosevelt would be fair In hi
treatment of tie business interests.
) "Mr Bliss urged tnat Mr.. Roosevelt
} policies would conserve the best inter
ests of business and the country salt
Immediately following the interview
we had conference With the director %,
Rockefeller, w. F. Tilbert, Mr.. Roger
and myself and one or two others. MI
John D. Rockefeller was not there"
| 1--WE decided our interest as Dusl
ness Organization lay with the Repub
lican side and we should make tina
contribution. We decided to Civ
$125,000. It was understood that MI
Bliss was to be given 100000. an,
Mr. Penrose $25,000 for the Pennsyl
'a "oar first talk with Bliss was onl
! about the 100000 After that Penros
asked for $25, 600. He said he had
hard fight ahead" -, 49,
? twas this money Standard Oil Con
! pany money, or individual money?
= asked Pomerene.
"It was company money Archbol
: responded.
: Pressed for Details.
Pomerene pressed Archbold for detail
i of his conversation with Bliss.
Il told him." said Archbold, that W
3 were disposed to make this contribution
but I wanted 1t to be known by tn
powers to be. l named Mr.. Roosevelt
II told him, as 1 was instructed, tha
y. we did not want to make II IL tn
4 money would not be gratefully received
| There was talk; only a suspicion; tha
= the money might not be acceptable NJ
i Bliss said: L will certainly tell Nj
: Roosevelt, you need not have any al
prehension whatever
n "Mr. Bliss assurances were satisfaC
a