The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1912-10-05

breaking the eighth and breaking the
ninth commandments.
IF Mr.. Hilles and Mr.. Bartholdt cal
prove their assertion. I want to know 1t
IF they. can't. they should not only b
required to apologize but. they. shoult
both of them Immediately be driven ou
Of public life. That kind Of statement IL
nm infamy unless IL is absolutely based OF
fact IL Ia their duty to make the ac.
c,isation II they knew II to be true. and II IL
infamy TO make It IL they don't know it tt
be true"
Right here Col. Roosevelt seized an op.
portunity to read the committee little
lecture for having devoted all their efforts
was the only time that the Colonel showed
any disposition to find fault with the com
mittee. Senator Paynter explained that
all OF the arrangements for calling wit
nesse were left to the chairman. who is
one OF Col. Rooseyelt.s supporters.
But, Senator Paytter." protested the
Colonel; Colonel .as far as | am concerned my
Archbold and Penrose you should have
gwen me q chance TO come down before
you the following Monday and be heard
l do not think II was quite fair to let a
month 90 by before was able to make
my answer before the committee.
Charges Committee IL Unfair.
You say IL is fair to give me and Dixon
a chance to answer Hilles and Bartholdt
This is not the time to giveuis the chance
You should first OF all bring Hilles and
Bartholdt here and see II they have any
proof OF their assertions. II ought not
to be necessary for US to answer them
until they have shown good faith by sub
stantiating in some way their statements
1T is only thirty days before election
in this thing will greatly diminish. It ID
only fair that men like Congressman
Mckinley and Charles Taft, that men
like McCombs and Mr.. MoAdoo-the first
two representating Mr.. Taft and the other
two representing Mr.. Wilson-that men
like Mr. Crane should!come, here and come
reasonably SOON"
Col. Roosevelt had taken about two
hours TO make his statement and Chair.
man Clapp ordered a recess Of an hour and
a half for lunch.
The former President appeared on the
stand promptly at the reconvening Of the
committee ready to be cross-Guestioned
There was another big crowd at the after;
noon session and the Colonel was cheered
heartily as he passed into the building.
Senator Paynter undertook to question
Col. Roosevelt. Senator Oliver OF Penn
sylvania. a Taft supporter and one OF
Senator Penrose's friends. said that he
had no questions to ask Of the witness.
Colonel said Senator Paynter, q
your testimony that the first informal or
you had that j. p. Morgan 4 Co. had
made a contribution to the campaign FUND
Of 1904 was what you had seen In the papert
yesterday"
That is the first information I remem.
Der about 1t. replied MIR. Roosevelt.
Knew Of Frick Contribution.
Q. You did not say whether or not yo,
had information as to the contributions
made by George j. Gould or II. C. Frick
A. did not know anything about It: ! dc
not now. knew nothing whatever abou
the contribution OF Mr.. Gould until thi.
moment-until you had spoken Of II. die
not know that he contributed. But Mr.
Frick knew had contributed heavily-l dc
not know the amount-and he offered I,
contribute more heavily still. Mr.. hnoI
told me that Mr.. Frick was one Of my strong
est hackers.
O. Was that pending tho campai ign
A. That was in loO4-yes. sir.
O. You then had no information that Mr.
Gould had made this contribution until thi.
development A. Not that I know of-no
sir. do not remember ever hearing Mr.
Gould name until this moment. did no
even look at the testimony Of Mr.. Sheldon
Q. Now. you seem to have heard of thu
Standard Oil contributiqn-Mr. Archbold ;,
contribution A. Yes. sir: that Is. I doub
whether I heard that 1t was from Archbold
but heard that there was a Standard OF
contribution.
q. SO there was no rule In 1904 limitins
the amounts which q corporation coulC
contribute TO the campaign? A. None what
ever.
Col. Roosevelt had said that the rule
was laid down by him that no contri
button was to he received on conditions
that it implied promise.
Senator Paynter. in reviewing the
letters that passed between Mr.. Hartman
and Roosevelt in 1904. gave il as his i'm
preston that Mr.. Hartman had visitec
Mr.. Roosevelt at the White House in re-
sponse to Mr.. Roosevelts invitation
Roosevelt argued hotly that Mr.. Hartman
did not come in response to an invitation
but that the record of correspondence
showed that this invitation extended by
him had been nullfied by subsequen,
letters. Mr.. Paynter: finally got the
former President to acknowledge that
on the face Of the correspondence it was
at least left discretionary with Mr.. Harri.
man TO decide as to whether or not he
should make the trip to Washington.
Mr.. Paynter then quizzed the Colone
in regard TO his contention that the Harri
man 324O. 900 contribution was not a gif,
to the national but to the New York State
committee. He called his attention tc
the fact that Mr.. Morgan had testified
he refused to make a contribution excep,
to the National Committee.
All Done to Help Higsins.
@ Was the Republican committee II
the State OF New York loyal 70 the Republi
can national ticket in lao42 A. Why.
know nothing TO the contrary.
Q. And any effort that II would put fortl
to aid the Republican cause would aid tn
national ticket to the same extent tina
II would the local ticket? A. Not at all
got much greater ma jority than Hig gins
Q. Yes. understand that. A. And tn
fight had to'be waged purely for Higgins
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