New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1912-10-13

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Q-Now, did you know of the time
when Schepps was in oregon. the state
/ OF Oregon? Al did not know of the
time; 7 have heard of the fact on his re-
turn to New York. of various places
throughout the United Staets that ne
Q.~Do you know WALTON, the other &C
complete? Ayes, SIR
Q.-How long have you known WALTON?
/, A.-About the same tlme-twenty years.
Oils name was Valinsky,. wasn't 1t?
A.-Valinsky i have always known him
| by the name of WALTON.
Dwell. WALTON is a gambler, too? A.
Odd he have a gambling house? A.
He did.
Q.-Was he ever interested in gam
bling house with you? A.-No, sir.
Odd he ever gamble in your house.
Odd he ever gamble in Rosenthal's
! house when you were a partner OF Ro-
| senthals? Ayes, sir.
Close money there? A.-No sir; he
won.
Ole always won? A.-The times that
he played he did.
Q.-Are your relations intimate with
Vallon? Ave are very good friends.
Q.-Hsve. you always been very good GOOD
friends? A.-No, sir; we have had our
little spats off and on, when we were not
on speaking terms, but we fixed things up.
Dwell. how soon before the murder
of Herman Rosenthal was II that you
made up? A.---Well. we haven't had any any
years.
Beckers lawyer questioned Rose close
ly on his movements during the earlier
part of the evening of July 10. the night
on which Rosenthal was shot. He told
about leaving the Lafayette Baths early
In the evening and going to the sam
Paul Club, where he met Jack" Sullivan
and took him to BRIDGE" Weber's place.
Then he related the trip to the home OF
Dora Gilbert, and said that he paid bill
of SOS there for the wine WALTON and
others had drunk. He and Schepps md
not drink anything. he said. He denied
that he had urged Dora Gilbert to black
en- the character Of her former husband,
Rosenthal, in the affidavit which he OBJ
tanned from her for Becker.
Coming down to the time that Rose
WALTON and schepps, driven by Shapiro. In
the gray car. started uptown to look for
the gunner. the witness told of the stop
at Sharkey's on 18th street. and Mr.. Nc
Intyre continued:
Q.-Who did the drinking? Avalon
and the men whom he met there at the
barroom.
Q.-Do you know who those men were
A-No sir.
Q.-Wen, at that time when you got
down to Sharkey's that night, DID you
then have In mind, or did you lntend' 70
have Herman Rosenthal killed? A.-At
no time did | ever intend that.
Dwell you say, sir, that at no time
was II your intention 10 have him killed.
You knew then that there was frame
~ A
Q.-And from the time that you first
learned that IL was the intention or some
other people TO take his life didn't you
ever 20 10 him or to his wife or anybody
to warn him? Al telephoned 10 MIS-
Rosenthal one day that her husband-,.,
Q.-Was going to be killed? A.-Told
her his life was In danger. q,
Q.-You announced your identity! Al
o.EWhere did you telephone her TO?
A.-79Sl Bryant-their house. q,
Odd you get any responseE Al
O,-Now. you stated to-day that when
Lieutenant Becker told you that II you
did not have Rosenthal murdered pc
(Becker) would have II done himself
DO you remember saying that this morn
ing? Al did not say that -
Q-What did you say? Al SAID IL
Rosenthal was not croaked, Becker said
he would do IT himself. T..
OFF Becker said that 10 you, that II
II was not done that he himself would
do II. why didn't you let him do II? Al
did not stop him. l was In hopes ne
really would.
O.-when ne told you that he would do
it, why didn't you withdraw from the
conspiracy and let some one else do ~
Al was between two nres-on one SIDE
Becker and on the other side the gang
and thought l could handle both ends
until such time as the matter straight
o.-Did YOU go to anybody and com
plain that foul murder was about 20
be done? A.-Not In that part OF the
world frequented is there anybody that
would have paid any attention to me.
Q.-Were you fearful Of the gangstersE
Ayes. sir.
Toward the end Of the session Mr. Nc
Intyre, suddenly and without any init
nation OF what was coming. numbered
forth:
Rose. did you tell the District Attor-
ney In your confession that Becker had
threatened to Xiii Rosenthal himself2'
Rose. smiling at the opportunity to an
swer, leaned forward IN his chair, fold
ed his hands and. looking straight at his
indulsitor, answered. slowly and loudly:
81 was standing in the doorway at i2d
street. after the murder. with Weber
WALTON and Becker. Becker said: i would
not have waited any longer. | was being
driven TO desperation. told otto. .he
chauffeur, to drive past the Metropole
and to slow up as we passed | didn't tell
him what / intended to do, but I had my
gun in my hand. and II I had seen
Rosenthal / would have blaZed away at
him That's what Becker said
What! Do you mean TO say that Lieu
tenant Becker, police officer, Intended
10 XIII Rosenthal himself?" shouted Mr..
Mcintyre in his most stentorian tones.
Yes; that's what he said," replied
Rose. emphatically.
Mr.. Mcintyre introduced the letters In
evidence which Rose had written TO
sam" Schepps when the latter was IN
Hot Springs, in which Rose said that the
electric chair was staring them all In the
face and that Becker had been the first
man TO get to cover" Rose wrote
schepps OF the Immunity" arrangement
he and the others had made with the
District Attorney and urged Schepps to
come in and give himself up and get the
same benefit.
Mr.. Mcintyre read Roses statement
which he made to Deputy Commissioner
Dougherty Just after he walked into Po-
lice HEADQUARTERS, a day or two after the
shooting, and gave himself up. Rose told
the Commissioner at that time that he
knew nothing about the shooting and tina;
Becker had had nothing to do with II.