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Lincoln County leader. [volume] (Toledo, Lincoln County, Or.) 1893-1987, 1912-02-16
ToIstoy's Wise Counsel.

Never say, Il can indulge in this
little thing without fear; it does not
amount to anything" Never say,
This particular virtue is so insight.
f1cant 1 might just as well do with.
out it."-Tolstoy.
Lincoln County leader. [volume] (Toledo, Lincoln County, Or.) 1893-1987, 1912-02-16
Queer Place tor Wedding Rina.

A merchant at Aberdeen, N. s. W..
while cutting a cheese the other day
found that his knife was stopped by
something hard On investigating he
saw that its progress was barred by
a heavy gold wedding ring.
Lincoln County leader. [volume] (Toledo, Lincoln County, Or.) 1893-1987, 1912-02-16
A g. Washington Hat.

1T Is said that woman's hat
which turns up in front forces her to
admit every year Of her age" "Then
a woman is liable to be turned down
on account Of turnup hat"
Lincoln County leader. [volume] (Toledo, Lincoln County, Or.) 1893-1987, 1912-02-16

A strange freak of lightning is re-
ported from France. During a recent
thunderstorm the lightning struck
three byres in village In the depart
ment of the Loire, killing eff the COWS
in each byre that were lying down
16 in all-while all those standing up
escaped unhurt.
Lincoln County leader. [volume] (Toledo, Lincoln County, Or.) 1893-1987, 1912-02-16
Shake Into Your Shoes

Aliens Foot-Ease, powder for the feet. 1t cures
painful. swollen. smarting, sweating feet. Makes
new shoes easy. Sold by all Druggists and Shoe
Stores. Don't accept any substitute. Sample
FREE. Address A. S. Olmsted. LIE Roy, N. Y.
Lincoln County leader. [volume] (Toledo, Lincoln County, Or.) 1893-1987, 1912-02-16
Wouldn't a Lamp Post po3

A. newspaper correspondent urges
the need of an Individual banister.
Wonder If the man expects US to tote
'em around in our Columbia
State.
Lincoln County leader. [volume] (Toledo, Lincoln County, Or.) 1893-1987, 1912-02-16
Tho Only Way.

HEWITT want him to stand back
of what he says" Jewett-"Then you'd
better get him to say 1t by telephone"
Lincoln County leader. [volume] (Toledo, Lincoln County, Or.) 1893-1987, 1912-02-16

Why is it that SO many people suffer with
Lame Back? Hamlins Wizard Oil will cure it
and for Aches, Sprains, Bruises, Cuts, Burns,
etc., there is nothing better.
Lincoln County leader. [volume] (Toledo, Lincoln County, Or.) 1893-1987, 1912-02-16

PILES CURED IN TO Il DAYS
Your druggist will refund money If PAZO ONT
MENT fails to cure any case of Itching. Blind
Bleeding or Protruding Piles in to IA days. 5Oc
Lincoln County leader. [volume] (Toledo, Lincoln County, Or.) 1893-1987, 1912-02-16
Meta! Adaptable for AlrshIps.

The new metal known as Liege
metal is said to be 40 per cent. light
er than aluminium, which makes it
particularly useful for airships.
Lincoln County leader. [volume] (Toledo, Lincoln County, Or.) 1893-1987, 1912-02-16

Triumph of the Young.
Modern life is arranged entirely to
suit the tastes and needs of the young
or generation.-The Graphic.
Lincoln County leader. [volume] (Toledo, Lincoln County, Or.) 1893-1987, 1912-02-16

H0WARD E BURTON 9 Assayer and Chemist
Silver Lead 81 Geld Silver. 75c; Gold, 5oc: Zinc Zinc
or Copper. S. Mailing envelopes ID full price list
Yent on application. Control and Umpire work 30
The day book. [volume] (Chicago, Ill.) 1911-1917, 1912-08-12

in woods near Crescent City last
September.
Sturgis, S. Do horses were
burned to death in fire that de-
stroyed large livery barn. Be
lieved incendiary.
Bloomington, IlI.-John w.
Landon, 70, Sullivan, Ill, and
Mrs. Mary LeBond, II, married.
Los Angeles.-John H. Hud-.
son, 5157 w. Chicago ave., Chi
cago, arrested. Represented self
as John H. Ringing, circus man,
and said to have passed several.
bogus checks.
Atlantic City.-Girls in some
what questionable bathing attire
"shoed' off streets here by po-
lice in accordance with recent or
ders.
Washington.-Governrnent is
investigating United Fruit Co.,
which appears to be running
trusts all by itself.
Sofa, Bulgaria. = Everybody
in Bulgaria is clamoring for war
against Turkey.
Paris.-Lieut. Scott, U. S., won
Michelin prize of $4,000 in aero
plane bomb-dropping contest.
Dropped 8 bombs within target.
Boston, Mass.-Dr. Charles w.
Elliot, ex-president of Harvard, is
supporting Woodrow Wilson for
presidency.
Sea Girt, N. Gov. Wilson
declared himself in favor of local
The day book. [volume] (Chicago, Ill.) 1911-1917, 1912-08-12

to friends, thinking it was eel.
Whisky used an antidote.
Manchester, Vt.-Mrs. Vic
toria Thompson, S., prominent
Chicago woman, drowned when
she fell from bank into ten feet. of
water. Body sent to Chicago.
Atlantic City.-"Chubby
Cook, parachute jumper, landed
in network of telegraph wires, set
himself free and walked wire to
pole.
Milwaukee. = Joseph Albion,
"a, suicide. Gas.
New York.-Silas Wingler, 80,
killed when he touched live wire.
Baltirnore.-Sam Foster, 81,
killed and James Watts, "a, badly
wounded in fight over woman.
San Francisco.-Neu Schmidt,
20, Alameda, swan across San
Francisco bay in 3 hrs, 6 min.
New York.-Leon Meyer, SIS,
theatrical mgr, shot and killed
himself in hotel room.
San Francisco.-Mrs. Wild
man Benton, professional avia-
trix, went up 5000 feet and cir
cled city of Oakland.
Los Angeles.-Louidez Cult :,
.ierez, Mexican, shot and killed by
police in street fight. Guitierez is
said to have been involved in plot 2
8 years ago to blow up President
4
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
Classic Praise of Mother
y - =:
Gov. Marshall's Tribute.

Thomas II. Marshall's tribute-to his
mother.
think back through the years. the
lean and the fat, the good and the bad
ones, TO my earliest recollection. |
see woman with an eye that flashes
as swift as an archangers wing and
a mouth that breaks with laughter and
hardens at sight of wrong, singing
lullabies; a woman who, with hand
grasping the Unseen Hand walks the
brier-bordered paths of life unasham-
ed, unafraid. unharmed She is clad
in garments of beauty for me, and
age does not soil them, nor years
make them cheap and tawdry. Her
tongue is without guile. having never
been the messenger of a lie 1t is
seventeen years since her soul went
home to God and her fingers became
for me the fingers of an angel. but
| have not forgotten all she said. She
told me there was a Santa Claus and
| believed her. He brings me no long
er drums and flies. But he still
brings me the vision of my mother
and the music of that angelic chorus
which sang at creations dawn and
at the hour of mans redemption.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11

A mild reign of terror has been
caused on the north side of the river
during the last week by the activity
of some nocturnal prowler. Several
families have suffered the loss of per-
sCnal property and others have been
subjected to great freight by his
appearances and now almost every
man of the house is sleeping with a
revolver or shotgun close at hand so
that the molestor will fare i'll should
he be detected.
on two successive nights last week.
the prowler appeared at a window
Of the c. +. Hogue residence while
only the young lady members of the
family were at home. on the second
night he was pursued but eluded his
pursuers after chase of a block. on
Friday night he appeared twice at the
res dence of G. w. Coutts and FUN
bled with the windows. Mr.. Coutts
was awakened both times but the man
had disappeared before he could get
outside.
on another night. the same man or
some other entered the garage OF
Frank Rogers and stripped his auto
mobile of everything lying loose in
or about it. on still another night the
garage of J. j. Hamley was entered
and his machine suffered similar
treatment. other depredations have
been reported and a vigilant watch
is being kept for a reappearance.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
PARCELS POST
NEARLY READY

Through the local post office the
government is announcing the fol-
lowing facts as to the provisions of
the parcels post law soon to become
effective:
The widest publicity should be Civ
en- to the following features of the
proposed parcel post regulations:
l. That distinctive parcel post
stamps must be used on all fourth
class matter beginning January l,
1913, and that such matter bearing
ordinary postage stamps will he
treated as Held for postage"
>. That parcels will be mailable
only at post offices, branch post Of
fices lettered and local named sta
tons and such numbered stations as
may be designated by the postmaster.
s. That all parcels must bear the
return card of the sender; otherwise
they will not be accepted for mailing
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11

Sheriff 7. ID. Taylor, who was pitted
against two other candidates.
c. W. Barzee and ]. A. Dunbar. So
cialist and prohibition candidate for
the office of dairy and food commis-
sioner respectively, lead their party
in the Umatilla county state contests.
the former polling 9S1 and the latter
S3l.
Virgil f. Moore candidate for rep
resentative, was the real leader of
the socialist party in the state, having
received 567 votes. George Propeck
candidate for sheriff polled more
votes than any one prohibtionist.
The official vote on the measures
shows that Approximately 500 of the
voters who appeared in the polls over
the county voted only for candidate
The average vote cast on contested Of
fices was 1000, while only about 320O
ballots were marked for each meas
ure.
The official count shows that Una.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
CHURCH LIMITS PASTOR
TO ONLY ONE WIFE

Lawton Okla Nov. 11-Negro
preachers in Oklahoma must have one
wife and only one. if they expect to
continue in the work of the African
Methodist Episcopal church. accord
ing to Bishop w. u. Chappell, pre-
siding over the Oklahoma conference
now i'm session here
81 am not going to give any man
an appointment who has two or three
wives and living in adutry." he an
nounced To the conference. Il have
no patience with any man that be-
lievos in polygamy and at the same
time lives in the \. NJ. Il. church, as
this church does not tolerate that
kind Of practice, but it does believe
that every man should have one wife
and that one is all he can support.
You had just as well live right if you
expect to get an appointment here in
this conference at my hand"
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
Official Count of Votes Has Been Finished
Results Do Not Affect Outcome of Contests

Working two days and two nights,
Clerk Frank Sailing and Justices of
the Peace Joe II. Parkes and Louis
Scholl. Jr late Saturday evening
completed the official count of the
ballots cast at the election last Tues
day. None of the results affect the
outcome of any of the contests.
Wilson carried Umatilla county by
a lead of 302 votes over Taft, 519
over Roosevelt Settings lead over
Lane for senator was reduced to 265
by the final count. Waterman de-
feated Friedly for the commissioner
shin by Alb votes, while Bradleys
majority over Nye was only 3TS.
strain was retained as assessor by
a majority of over 500.
To Frank Sailing, county clerk-re-
elect goes the honor of polling the
greatest number Of votes Of all the
candidates for the various offices.
with only socialist opponent he re-
ceived 1852 votes, five more than did
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
TNFT'C CABINET HAPPY
AFTER THE ELECTION

Washington Nov. II. The result
the election apparently caused no
downheartedness in President Tafts S
cabinet, for at its first meeting
Friday since August cheerful laugh
ter of the official family penetrated
into the white house corridors The
president and all the members eX-
cept Secretaries Knox and Meyer were
present 1t is understood no member
wiil resign before March 4.
Several members let it be known
months ago that they expected to re-
sign March 4, even if Taft was re-
elected. and several were said to be
anxious to get back to private lifo
before that date The feeling of 10y
atty to the president is expected to
keep every cabinet officer at the head
of his department until the admin
istration goes out of power
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
NO DECISION ANNOUNCED
IN COAL TRUST CASES

nounced today the supreme court
will vacation from November 18th to
December ?. Today is decision day"
but no opinions We're announced in
the anthracite coal trust and rate cas-
pS
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
EDITOR TAKES
HIS OWN LIFE

Girard, Kan. Nov 1.-THE strug
gle under the competitive system is
not worth while" read note found
in the home of julius Wayland, own
er of the appeal to Reason" So
cialist publication. who succeeded in
killing himself by firing revolver
in,o his mouth. The note was in
WaNland's handwriting.
The grand jury had convened at
Fort Scott to consider charges against
Fred Warren The editor was ad-
vised by Warren but the fear of an
indictment did not cause the suicide.
Wayland, his friends declare. was
hrooding over the death of his wife
in an auto accident year ago and
this caused the act, it is said.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
MIS-. LESH IL KNOWN
IN ILLINOIS TOWN
Woman Who Confessed Murder in
Los Angeles Had Disappeared Mys-
tCriOuSly


Jacksonville, Ill.,, Nov. 11.-Mrs.
Pausy Hastings Lesh, who told police
authorities in Los Angeles that she
had killed two women in Missouri by
poisoning them, formerly resided in
Jacksonville She was the daughter
of Hiram ~ Hastings, who married
Cora Luttrell, daughter of the late j.
NJ Luttrell
The child was brought here by her
parents when , years old. Her moth
er took the baby one evening to rel
ative to keep it over night while she
went to n party.
That was the last ever seen of the
mother. The whereabouts of the
daughter We're never known after heI
sixth year. She has been sought es-
pecially since last May, when J. NJ
Luttrell died, leaving an estate val
ued at $4,000, in which the child
has n part.
The family knew nothing of the
whereabouts of Mrs Lesh until they
read the story of last Sunday. The
family is well known in this commu'
nifty.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
RUSSIA ORDERS WARSHIP AND
REGIMENTS TO TURKISH CITY
Austria is Making Immediate Preparations to Invade Ser
Via---Latter Army Marching on Durrazo
SERvIAS MOVE MAY PRECIPITATE GENERAL WAR
BaeShpS Of Russia England and Austria Are Enroue to Turkish Capital
Sultan Fears AntiChristan UpRsng-Powers Will Land Blue
Jackets to Prevent Outbreak

London, Nov. 11.-It l. reported
here the British cruiser BarIlan was
sunk by Turkish mine The report
is uncOnfirmcd
Paris. Nov. 11.-Iiussia has ordered
the warship Rostislau. carrying two
regiments of infantry to COnstanti-
noplc. IL i believed the action re-
moves any doubt the powers have
is reported America has been invited
to join.
Vienna. Nov. i1.-Thc result of the
Buda Pest conference between En-
peror Franz Joseph, aud Archdul<e
Franz Ferdinand of Austria resulted
i'm plans of AN immediate invasion of
ScrVia. Joseph also had conference
with President Dancff of the Bull
garian parliament. the Austrian -Servi-
an mediator.
COnStantinopic. Nov. 1.-THE Rus
sian battlcShip RostoslaV. the British
cruiser Hampshire and the Austrian
Scoutship Admiral Spaun. passed
through the DartlanelleS today. the
porte granting permission. The pas
sage was the second warship of each
power. IL is indicated the Sultan
fears an anti Christian uprising.
Belgrade, Nov. IA vanguard of
General IankOvitch's Servian army
has reached Adriatic and is expected
TO seize DnraZIo on Wednesday. Ii
is reported this is expected to pre-
nn European war.
Paris. Nov. f1.-Thc joint occupa-
tion of Comstantinople by the British.
French. German. Russian. Austrian
and Italian blue Jackets to prevent
the Bulaar's occupation is reported
To he the plan of the powers. Tur-
key approves of this. IL Is believed
the landing of foreign marines will
soon he ordered. II is reported the
government is disarming the pOpu-
place of ConStantinOple.
IL Is believed that Ferdinand will
not dare 10 occupy the city if the
sailors land. Ii is stated that Russia
Is dcsirouS of preventing Il Bul9ar oc-
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
DEMOCRATS IN
CONTROL "--BRYAN

Washington, Nov. 11.-Bryan is
here visiting his son William and re-
mains several days to confer with
democratic leaders.
Progressive democrats will control
the next congress" he declared. "Ev-
cry democratic sentor and represen-
tative elected Saturday stood upon the
Baltimore platform. The stamp OF
progressiveness was put on the party
at Baltimore while it was white hot.
He declared the vote for wilson
was practically the same as his own
in 1908.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
JAMES BRYCE
WILL RETIRE
Am BASSADOR TO GO HOME
British Representative to United
States Will Resign and Devote Time
to Literary Work-IIas Long Want
cd To Give Up Active Public Life,

Washington Nov. 1l.-Confirma-
ton of the resignation of James
Bryce, was made today in a
White House statement. 1t says
that Ambassador Bryce has inti-
mated his wish to retire to his majes-
tvs government on July 1911, but
at the request of Britain he remained
in Washington to deal with certain
matters When relieved he will de-
vote himself to the completion of two
works on which he has long been
engaged"
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
COM MERGE COURT
MAY HAVE TO GO

Washington. Nov. 11.-Traffic eX-
perts forecast the abolition of the
commerce court and a change of po-
litical complexion in the interstate
commerce commission as Il result of
the new administration. Four re-
publiCans and three democrats COM
pose the commission The term of F.
+. Clark expires on December 81. and
Taft will appoint republican sue
Cessor. Commissioner Prouty closes
seven years service on the same date.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11

una county gave the equal suffrage
amendment majority of 34S state
ments in the Portland papers to the
contrary, Notwithstanding Single tax
was showed under by vote of more
than to /, while the amendment to
repeal the law giving counties the on
ton OF voting individually on tax
measures was carried by a majority
of nearly 700.
The only road measure to carry was
that which limited the Indebtedness
to be incurred by any county for
good roads to two per cent of the as
sessed valuation of its property Even
this measure had a narrow escape
winning by only 35 votes.
Most of the measures were buried
under an avalanche of Noes, the only
ones escaping besides the three men
toned above being the one to make
stockholders or banks doubly liable,
Continued on page So
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
CALIFORNIA BANKS LEAD
IN NUMBER OF DEPOSITS

Washington. Nov. 11.-California
leads other Pacific states in combined
band deposits, according to state
ment of the comptroller of currency.
The deposits are $407,0 0O6 665 in 1872
banks. Oregon. Washington, Califor-
mia, Idaho, Utah, Nevada and Arizo-
ma, combined 172 savings banks. with
&45,010,121. The deposits represent
111.S07 depositors.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
PITCHER MARQUARD
SOUGHT BY POLICE
Husband of Actress With Whom He
Appeared in Sketch Brings Charge.

Atlantic City, Nov 11.-On an
affidavit sworn to by Joseph Kane.
of New York, and two detectives.
Police Magistrate Jammetty of this
city, issued warrant for the arrest
of "Rube' Marquard. the New York
National League baseball pitcher.
Kane charged ne and the two detec-
tives found MarQuard and Kane's Wife
in a hotel here.
While Kane was talking with the
proprietor of a hotel he said. Mar
guard and Mrs. Kane left the place
through rear exit with the aid of
an employe of the hotel. Mrs. Kane
is an actress her stage name being
Blossom Seeley The pair have been
appearing in a vaudeville sketch.
which exploited Marquards prowess
rs a pitcher.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
TINIBERS TUMBLE:
. MEN ARE DEAD
WorLmcn Are Smothered Under sand
and Rock at Burbank, Wash

Walla Walla. Wash. Nov. 1.-Two
lives We're snuffed out at Burbank
when the timberng of tunnel of
the Burbank Water & Power company
in which Swan Nordstrom of Spokane
and Albin Anderson were working
gave way, permitting several tons of
sand and rock to fall upon the un-
suspecting men, smothering them to
death
\. Anderson. brother of one of
the dead men. was at the mouth OF
the tunnel at the time of the cavein.
but was unable to get at the buried
men. although he worked frantically
for two hours before he realized the
task was useless. He then recovered
himself and went for help.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11

Philadelphia, Nov. 11-Rear Ad-
miral Knight. commanding the cruis-
ers Montana and Tennessee has been
ordered to start for Turkish waters
tomorrow to protect American inter
ests.. The cruisers are in the Della
ware river.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
Fighting Is Progressing.

London, Nov. lit is reported
that fighting is progressing at the
Tchatalja forts, strengthening the be-
lief that the allies demand an uncon-
ditional surrender of Constantinople
before peace. Nazim Pasha is not
seriously resisting the attack, believ-
ing the city to be doomed.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
DISTRICT CLOSED;
OUTCASTS DECAMP

san Diego. Nov. 1.-THE "Stinga-
rec Special named for fifty women,
closed the restricted district known
as the "Stingaree" district and left
this afternoon northward. Outcasts
are leaving by every train, all declar-
elsewhere
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
IS DIE WHEN
TRAINS CRASH
FORTY PASSENGERS HURT
Freight Train and Passenger Collide
In Early Morning HOurs-Impos-
siblc To identify Many of the Dead
Freight PIOughs Through Pas
SciIacr Coaches.

New Orleans, Nov. 11.-Thirteen
were killed and forty injured in "a
collision of an excursion and freight
train at Yazoo on the Mississippi VAL
ley railroad near MONTE. La. early this
morning. The freight ploughed
through Several passenger coaches.
Searchers were unable TO determine
the sex or color of some of the VIC
TINS on account of mutiliation. All
the bodies are in morgue here.
New Orleans. Nov. 11.-Six more
victims died later making 19 the to-
tai killed and "a injured The dead
include seven whites. 4 misunder-
standing Of orders caused the wreck.
The excursion train was taking wa
ter when the freight, running at so
miles an hour. telescoped the rear.
grinding l3 persons to pieces.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
Turks RetaI<e CITY.

Constantinople, Nov. lit is re-
ported the Turks have recaptured
Rodostom, an important seaport. It
is claimed the Turkish warships bonn
harded the city and landed three thou
sand troops. routing the Bulgars in
disorder.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
HOME RULE BILL FOR IRELAND
FACING DEFEAT IN PARLIAMENT
WESTON WOMEN TO
BE FIRST. TO VOTE

y BY just one day the women of I
. Weston will exercise their new I
2 ly acquired rights ahead of the I
. women Hermiston. BY II. T. I
= Harbour, manager Of the Wes- I
+ ton brick yard, the East ore
= gonian is reminded that the
y Weston town eleciOn occurs De- I
. cember ., whereas the Hermis-
. ton election will not be held un-
= til December 3. 1t is doubtful
y If any city election will be I
= held prior to the Weston event
. and it Is possible the honor OF
. being the first women of the
. state to vote may fall to the
= Weston ladies'.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
MAY APPOINT CRANE
ANlB ASSADOR TO ENGLAND

Washington, Nov lit is report
ed that Wilson expects to appoint
Charles Crane ambassador to England
and Rudolph Spreckles of san Fran
cisco to France or Germany.
East Oregonian : E.O. (Pendleton, OR) 1888-current, 1912-11-11
BASEBALL MANAGERS ARE
READY FOR CONVENTION

Milwaukee, Nov. 11.-Nlinor base
bah league magnates and managers
are arriving here to attend the con-
Vention of the national association of
minor leagues. starting tomorrow.
The salary limit will be the main topic
for discussion,