Arizona republican., 1912-12-01
Detective Tells His Own Story on the Stand Re lating Incidents of His Pursuit of the McNa- maras and McManigal.
HOCKIN CIASSED
 AS A BETRAYER
Says He Offered to Pay Hockin for His Services AS He Evidently Knew Things Which Would Aid Him In His Work.
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INDIANAPOLIS, Nov. 30.-Wil- liam J. Burns story of the pursuit of the McNamaras and Ortie Me Manigal after the Times explosion at Los Angeles, was told by him in the dynamite conspiracy" trial today The Times explosion was on October l. 1910 at which time he said he was on d train from san Francisco to Los Angeles. to run down the dynamiters.
 He remained on the Pacific coast until the latter part of December, when he returned to Chicago. In Chicago he said. he met Herbert $ Hockin. now secretary of the Iron Workers union Hoc1in is accused by the government of having be- trayed the dynamiters while he him. self was a dynamiter. He said Hook in had told him the dynamiters were planning to do d lot of killing and would not have met him had it not been for that.
 He said, John J. McNamara. then secretary of the union had employed James B. McNamara and McMani- gal to kill as many people as pos sible to bring about the result hoped for
 T told Hoclin was too late with the information, as I knew all the facts already. Then ] asked him where he got the information that the people on the Pacific coast were going to blow me up. He said Olaf \. TVeitmoe of San Francisco was looking after the plot. l told him believed Tveitmoe would do it if he had chance, for | had opposed TveitmOe in the San Francisco graft investigation and had sent my son Raymond to Minnesota to get a pho tograph of Tveitmoe in his peniten- tionary uniform and had it published in San Francisco.
 T asked Hockin if it wasn't true that every member of the Iron Work CTS executive board knew about the explosions He said that neither they nor President Frank M Ryan knew what John J. did except perhaps Flu gene A Clancy of San Francisco. told him il wasn't possible for money to be appropriated every month for McNamara without others higher up knowing it I told Hoctin I pro- posed to get the men higher up. l didn't want merely local men. He said John J. was the Iran I wanted.
 T offered to pay Hockin to come into my employ but he said he would accept only expenses. I told him that at that time Los Angeles had ceased to pay me and now I had not only to fight the dynamiters, but also a class of men opposed to civic decency in San Francisco.
 l.; ,Jar @ Los Angeles explosion that I had in formed Mayor Alexander that John ]. McNamara and Tveitmoe were be hind the explosion. l impressed him to the fact that I didn't want to ar rest John J. and James B. and de- pend on their making confessions and was afraid to watch J. J. in In dianapolis too much as they might learn of it and the whole thing would blow up"
 Questioned by Senator J. w. Kern for the defense, about securing Me Manigals first confession in Chica- go shortly after the arrests. Burns was asked
 Did McManigal duplicate anyone besides the McNamaras?" He mentioned only Michael J. Young of Boston in connection with the explosion at Springfield, Mass and implicated Hoc<in as having pro- cured the ro-glycerin and of hay ing employed him to blow the build ing.
 District Attorney Miller stated that one more witness for the govern ment would be called on Monday and 1 then the government will rest the case.