The Detroit times. [volume] (Detroit, Mich.) 1903-1920, 1911-12-27
PACKERS ATTORNEYS
! HGHTlAG TO BAR OUT
IMPORTANT EVIDENCE
Cite Judge Humphreys Immu-
nifty Decision in Effort To
Weaken Governments Case.
MOTIVE is INVOLVED
Defense Seeks To Prevent Testi-
timony Being Offered of
Events Prior To 1905.

CHICAGO. Dec 26.-Judge Hum
phreys Immunity bath" decision
was injected into the packers trial
here today. as an additional obstacle
in the way OF the governments at
tempt TO fasten criminal liability un-
der the Sherman law on ten Chicago
packers.
Citing the decision, the defense to-
day gave notice that they will object
to &ll evidence the government may
Offer concerning the packers prior TO
1905. Specific immunity was demand
ed for Edward Tilden, Francis A. Fow-
Ter and Lewis II. Heyman.
The defenses claim was that these
three defendants and the other seven
had furnished information concerning
their business to the commissioner OF
corporations and under the ruling es-
tablished by Judge Humphreys. could
not be prosecuted on the basis OF this
information.
While the jury was excluded attor-
neys for both sides threshed out the
question. Judge Carpenter finally rul-
ed that counsel on both sides should
confer regarding the evidence which
the government proposed TO introduce,
relating to acts prior to 1905, that the
defense should Indicate specifically to
which portion of the evidence they
woulC object and that the court would
rdle on .ha r--~~-'e-. when the gov
eminent colnpleIed-its Introduction OF
direct evidence. Attorney John s.
Miller, for the defense. gave notice
that he would make the same objec-
ton at the beginning OF the testimony
of every witness called by the gov
eminent
The defense. by bringing up the i'm
nunity question, hopes TO secure a
ruling from Judge Carpenter which
might exclude all evidence OF the OPP
Grafton OF the old pool of the pack
ers-the very evidence on which the
government bases its plea that there
was q motive behind the formation OF
the National Packing Co,-that mo-
tive being the intention TO monopolize
The beef-packing industry.
Immediately after Judge Carpenter
had ruled, the prosecution called TO
the stand Alfred H. Veeder. in whose
Offices in Chicago the meetings of the
old pool was held.
Needer traced the transformation OF
the Swift partnership into the Swift
corporation and told OF the organiZa-
ton OF the National Packing Co.. OF
which he said he was for time the
general counsel and treasurer. as we'll
as director.
yeeder divided the credit Of the or
ganization OF the National Packing Co.
with Louis Krauthoff. then personal
attorney for j. Ogden Armour. He
testified that he acted at the time as
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members of the Swift group and for
Francis A. Fowler
These defendants were in court and
the government attorneys asked them
TO stand up and be identified. They
did.
Before Veeder was permitted to be-
gin HIS testimony, Judge Carpenter an
nounced that he would permit the in
PRODUCTION OF testimony regarding acts
of the packers prior to 1905 with the
understanding that the attorneys were
to submit their arguments when the
states case is concluded. Then, he
said. he will hear arguments on mo-
ton to strike this testimony from the
record With this stipulation agreed
upon veeder began his testimony,
while the defense objected to each
testimony prior TO 1905
From Veeder, Assistant Attorney
Pierce Butler drew bit by bit the his
tory of the formation OF the pool Ii
was evident that the prosecution in
tended to create the impression that
Il was Veeder who conceived the idea
Of a trust which should control the
whole dressed meat industry. The
witness admitted that he and Louis V.
Krauthoff were the prime movers In
the formation Of the pool.
Veeder named over the big packers
who attended the meetings OF the
Pool" lie insisted that he had no
recollection of ever seeing j. Ogden
Armour. the packing house king, per-
sonally attending the meetings, but he
said that man named Meyers rep
resented" him. He named Edward
Morris. Heyman and Conners-all de-
PENDANTS in the present suit, as being
M nracticallv all OF the meetings