The Birmingham age-herald., 1911-12-04
DETECTIVES BUSY AT INDIANAPOLIS Preparing Evidence for the
 Grand Jury NO REST FOR BURNS
Burns Says That Gompers Knew That the Brothers Were Guilty
 Because Clarence Dar- row Told Him

Indianapolis, December 3.-Plans for | the federal investigation that may un- cover men alleged to have been impli- cated with the McNamara brothers in l dynamiting operations in many states
 went forward in conferences in this city 1 today. 1 Detective William J. Burns discussed
 with United States District Attorney Charles w Miller the evidence to be
 presented to the federal grand jury when 1 it resumes its session December 14
 Neither would make a public statement
 in relation to the details of their con- sutation.
 | we shall not rest until we have
 brought to Justice all those connected
 with the dynamting outrages through
 out the country said MT. Burns. T am no respecter of persons and whether the
 men associated with the McNamaras are
 higher up or lower down they will be prosecuted.
 Any exposure that may be made will
 are returned, for violation of the federal
 statute regulating interstate. transporta- l tion of explosives said MT. Miller. In talking in general way of the grand 1 jury probe. In several directions, he
 said. information was being prepared for
 the grand jury intending to show that l the McNamaras, Ortie McManfgal and | others had violated the federal statute. Along this line MT. Burns conferred with J. Kirby. Jrv president of the Ma | tional Association of Manufacturers, and n pa pf f1,a ! organization, which is interested with
 the National Erectors' association, 1t is
 announced, in crusade against alleged depredations aimed at employers that
 maintain the ''open shop principle The National Erectors' association is represented by J. A. G. Badorff assistant to Walter Drew, executive officer of the association. Mr. Badorff arrived today. Several detectives in the employ of the association have been in the city for weeks and are said to be watching the I movements of persons presumed to have been concerned with John J. McNamaras 5 affairs during the years he was in this l city as secretary of the International As sociation of Bridge and Structural Iron Workers whose books and correspond
 ence are now in the hands of the federal grand jury.
 ''The fact that two men are to be pun
 ished for dynamiting is not the most inn
 portant feature of this Investigation. said MT. Badorff. ''The members of the Ma tional Erectors' association are interested
 chiefly in exposing and bringing to jus
 tice the persons responsible for 100 explo- sions since August 1905, in many states | from Massachusetts to the Pacific coast. "The property destroyed was that of
 companies employing non-union iron workers. The cost of this campaign of terrorism was enormous and it was sys-
 tematicaly carried on We assert that a number of men besides the McNamara's
 were concerned in the plans for these ex-
 plosions and we purpose to assist in every way in uncovering them. We shall lend every assistance of the federal au- ihorties and we have every assurance that the investigation will be most thor ough"
 No informatio nwas available here to- night of the whereabouts of Frank M. Ryan, president of the association of iron
 workers Acting Secretary IT. S. Hockin
 said he was advised that MT. Ryan would arrive in this city tonight. He left At lanta Saturday, presumably for Chicago. He had heard nothing from him today, he said. He added that no meeting of the
 executive board of the iron workers as- | sociation would be called to take action in relation to the McNamara brothers un- | til MT. Ryan's return here
 Do you continue to affirm that you personally do not believe that the exe- cutive board should repudlate John J. McNamara as secretary of the
 organization. Mr. Hockin was asked 'I have been quoted to that effect" 1 he answered, but now I refuse even to l say whether or not I was quoted cor rectly The executive board will deter mine our policy | From Indianapolis MT. Burns said he was going to Cleveland, O., and thence to New York and that he probably would
 be back ill Indianapolis later this week, but he was not sure He said he expects to go to the Pacific coast in a short | time, all of his travels being in connec-
 tion with the McNamara case. Burns Attacks Gompers w. J. Burns, the detective who caused the arrest of the McNamaras, spent two hours here today in conference with United States District Attorney Charles Kirby, Jr., of Dayton, O., president of the National Association of Manufacturers. at the home of David M. Parry. former president of that organization.
 Other than to admit that both con ferences pertained to the investigation | being conducted by the federal grand | jury here, Detective Burns would not
 
 l if he wished the McNamara trial had proceeded, the detective said:
 ."TLere would have been many interest | ing developments had the trial continued to the end"
 While here Burns reiterated his state
 ment that Samuel Gompers, president of the American Federation of Labor.
 knew almost from the beginning that the t McNamaras were guilty of the charges
 against them. In this connection the de- | tective said, with some feeling:
 When MT. Gompees says he was sur 4 prised and that the McNamaras had de-
 ceivet. him, he tells what is not true | Mr Gompers knew the McNamaras were | guilty and has known 1t all along. He
 knew it at the time he md the heads
 of the International unions conferred in
 Indianapolis on the question of raisinp
 funds for the defense of the prisoners Some of the other union men knew of their guilt also.
 1 Clarence Darrow told the labor mer
 at that meeting in Indianapolis that ht.
 did not believe l had done any plant
 ing of dynamite.' Darrow knew that
 did not frame up this case and told them l so."
 Kirby and Parry today sent a tele- gram to Gen. Harrison Gray Otis. owner of the Los Angeles Times. praising him