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record that would fully advice the people
Of the country OF the questions involved.
how they arose and the personnel of those
whose interests are being adjudged. He
added that he was not out Of sympathy
with the purpose TO be accomplished, nor
was he unmindful that this action would
involve commercial relations amounting
to $50, 600 900. The rushing of the resolu-
ton seemed to him too much like haste
prompted by sentiment, rather than con-
servative Judgment.
1T is what is called popular demand '
said Senator Hepburn; "it looks too much
like what is called in newspaper parlanoe
the steam roller process Why, we were
even called upon vest erday over the
telephone to vote on the question III the
newspapers. | am speaking III defence
of u conservative line OF action. Let the
men who are anxious to act without
deiberation in this matter shoulder the
responsibility, and If need he the muske'.
to make good this action. am no
prophet of evil, but ] with others have
paid some attention to the history oil the
world and its wars. We are mere with
chip on our shoulders"
IL looked as if senator Heyburn $
objection had disposed of the debate on
afternoon, but Senator tulherson. Demo
Crat. of Texas. arose and. addressing
himself to another resolution, pfoceeded
to speak on the question lnvloved III the
termination of the treaty. senator Cul-
berson has had a resolution identical with
the Sulzer resolution pending before the
Senate Committee on Foreign Relations
for more than a year.
Il do not stop to inquire, said Senator
Culberson. why the President all AT
once undertook to exercise the authtlty
claimed by him when for three years since
he has been President of the United states
he has been clothed with the same au-
thority with which he is now clothed and
yet has declined to act upon 1t. do not
stop to fquire into his motives with
reference to il. but ! do submit To the
Senate that a decent I, gard Tor the House
OF Repre- ;entaiivcS. a ue"ent respect Tor
Coordina y branch of this Government.
ought to impel the Senate not to act
alone upon what the President has sent
here. but il ought to take NJ tn" JOINT
resolution tSulzer resolution which has
come here from the House of Representa-
tives and act upou It a. 1t has heen pre-
sented and not upon the action OF the
Executive alone
The President message is sent to the
Senate alone and not to the twoCoordinate
branches of Congress, but he asks the
Senate TO ratify his acts, as he claims he
is acting under the treaty making power
Of the Constitution. and to leave the
House Of Representatives alone and
without consideration"
Senator Culberson Contended that the
resolution Introduced by senator Lodge
was not responsive 90 and in accordance
with the Presidents message.
The President said senator Culberson
does not want the House To be con-
| sidered in the question al all. He wants
10 Spnata "a NJ the fT,afy making
power. TO ratify his action and leave the
! House alone And vet the Senate Com
mittee on Foreign Relations presents a
| Joint resolution IN lieu of that presented
! by the House.
That is about all | care TO say now
| wanted to invite attention to the
anomalous condition Of affairs that the
President Of the United States strangely
| TO me at least has undertaken to strii
the House Of Representatives of some
of its authority under the Constitution
and asks the Senate to isregard what
has been done 10y the House and steps II
and gives notice that he singly and alone
has done what he was unauthorized to do
| He takes this matter out uf the ConSldera
tion of Congress and places IT in the hand
Of himself and partisan branch Of th'
Congress Of the United States.
Senator Lodge declared that the Presi
dent. in giving notice To Russia of thu
ternina ton of the treaty. did what haC
been done by his predecessors. Presi
dent Lincoln in 1894 notified England o
the intention of the United States to ter
inmate the Rush Bagot treaty of 1917.
After President Lincoln had done this
said Mr.. Lodge, the two houses of Con
gress approved his action"
Senator Culberson doubted, however
whether Senator Lodge could point TO al
instance where President had acted re
gardess of Congress after one branch o
Congress had passed a resolution as i,
this case.
senator Lodge declared that this YER
thing had happened in the case Of the ter
mination of the Rush Bagot treaty.
resolution proposing the termination q
the treaty was passed by the House Of Rer
resenta tives in 1888. but no attention VA
paid TO il either by the Senate or Presden
! Lincoln. The following year. however
+ President Lincoln without preiInlnar
authority from either house gave motto
of the termination of the treaty and sub
seduently both houses ratified the motto,
, "as If the same had been authorized ID
Congress" Subsequently President Lii
coln withdrew this notice without refer
ence to either house and the agreeinen
has been recognized by both Government
as subsisting and is now the law of tn
land
Senator Lodge pointed out also tina
President Mckinley in 1899 notified III
SWISS Government OF the termination
] certain clauses in our treaty with Switzel
D land Those clauses were terminated an
President Mckinley never asked for III
approval Of Congress and never receive
= it. Switzerland, however. accepted tn
I notice as final.
"The President" said Senator Lodg
: has entire authority to give that motto
. and to ask for the approval of Congre,
, or the approval Of the Senate. He TAKE
. the view which is held by very many
the best Judges that the treaty maxim
. power is entirely able to terminate
y treaty which carries with itno Legislation
y and the President did nothing unusual /
this action.
The committee felt that the Hou'
. having passed joint resolution and u
I Joint resolution being before the Sena
I and before the committee by referent
!. it was a matter Of courtesy and comi'
a to the House to afford 1t an opportuni,
to act upon this joint resolution and Il
committee has accordingly done SO.
u Il deeply regret that any, objectic
q should have been made and that II
D matter should have been thrown ov,
q for a day. because this is question
haste. We are approaching very neI
the first of January and il that notice
u not effective before January it throy
= the termination Of the treaty over f
Il two years Therefore it is OF the utmo
~ importance that we should act now
we desire to terminate the treaty, "a v
e all do. and when we are drawing so ne
a to the new wear at which the time lin
% xpiroa IL ia mt we'll tn waste any time