The Washington times., 1911-06-28
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Marquette, was put on by the lawyers
for the commonwealth following an ex-
ecutive session at which procedure was
considered. .- o..
Culver sold his. interest in a lumber
company to Horace Packer and other
Pennsylvania men last year. He Is a
hrother-in-law of Shelby B. Jones, the
Marquette druggist, who testified that
while in his store Edward Hines talked
about the election of Lorimer costing a
whole barrel-all those elections do"
Culver has known Hines five or six
years; met him many times both in Mar
quette and Chicago, and had some bust
ness with him. He last met Hines in
Chicago, in the spring of 1908 or 1909, in
the Great Northern Hotel lobby.
when did you next meet Hines?"
Here, yesterday. That hotel lobby
meeting was by accident ! wanted to
sell some hardwood products and Hines
said he would send a man to see them"
Culver had been drawn into the case
in connection with the stories that
Hines went to Marquette and was heard
boasting of putting Lorimer over"
Culver has been represented in news
paper stories as TELLING about these talks
of Hines; but on the stand today he
declared that he never discussed the
subject with Hines. On one or two &C.
casions, Hines told Culver he was a
friend Of Lorimer. Once in Chicago,
seeing some Hines Lumber Company
wagons decorated with the legend,
Vote for Lorimer." Hines said he had
been friend of Lor1mer and had sup
ported him-perhaps helped him raise
campaign funds. But he didn't believe
he had ever had such talks with Hines
since Lorimer was elected Senator.
Newspaper articles were printed in
Chicago last spring. saying that Jones
overheard Hines tell Culver about the
Jones on yesterday reiterated that he
heard such a talk.
Conferred With Lawyer.
When these stories appeared in the
newspapers, Culver did not go to Jones
for an explanation; instead he asked
lawyer TO see Jones and talk to him
about II.
Jones was your brother-in-Iaw, was
he?" asked Attorney Healy.
Yes, SIR"
You were not ON bad terms with
him?'
No"
Then why. in such a case. should you
send lawyer to see Jones, instead of
talking to him YOURSELF"
We'll" replied Culver. there had
been so much Misrepresentation about
me in this affair that 1 didn't think 1t
best for me personally to go to Jones'"
Mr.. Healy protested that 1t was
strange that Culver should conduct such
relations with his own brother-in-law
through A third Darty.. Culver renlioh
that. anyhow, he thought it best to do
that way, and did.
Culver develored a weakness of men,
DRY that interested the committees law
yer. die didn't believe, when further
pressed that he ever heard Hines tell
about it costing $780, 900 to put Lorimer
over" However, he admitted that he
might have heard such a conversation.
Did you ever discuss the tariff or
lumber with Mr.. Hines?" asked Sem
ator Kenyon.
He'd hardly discuss that with me
I'm on the other side, a Democrat"
What sort-a protective tariff, or a
tariff for revenue DemoCrat?
I've always been a tariff for revenue
Democrat, and hope you are one" re-
piled Culver
But you believe in a reasonable duty
on lumber do you?' demanded Senator
Gamble, insinuatingly.
No, / don't" ungraciously retorted
Culver. The tariff was promptly drop
ped.
Affidavit Read.