The Birmingham age-herald., 1911-08-09
VETO BILL GOES
 ID LORDS TODAY Vote Is Not Likely Until Thursday on Account
 of Long Debate

London. August s.-The veto bill, shorn of the vital amendments of the house of lords, but with some minor concessions added to 1t, will be pre- sented to the house of lords tomorrow, but there are so many peers who wish to take part in the debate that a vote is not likely before Thursday.
 The insurgents have obtained a weighty recruit in Lord Roberts, who has announced his intention to vote with the followers of the Earl of,Hals- bury against the measure. Lord Roberts contends that in politics, as in war, the path of duty also is the path of safety.
 By vote of 2S2 to 6Ss the house of lords tonight carried a motion made by Lord Cursor censuring the government for having secured from the King a promise of sufficient peers to pass the veto bill should that measure be re- iected by the upper house Of parlia- ment.
 The motion was similar to that of Arthur J. Balfour, the opposition lead CT, which was lost in the house of com mons by a majority of 19e. With the result a foregone conclusion, the debate tonight aroused little interest. Conservative peers charged that the gov ernment had prostituted the prerogatives of the crown for the purpose of carrying home rule for Ireland without consulting the people.
 The Earle of Crewe in opposing the motion, caused a nsation by admitting that members of the government were not all of one mind with respect to the creation of new peers He said King George regarde the plan with legiti- mate reluctance and that it depended upon the action of the house of lords whether the government would be com- pelled to create new peers. The Earl of Halsbury charged Premier Asquith with being guilty of an astro- cious breach of trust and drew a pethet- ic picture of the young and inexperienced king at the mercy of an astute lawyer. who told him that the creation of peers was the only way of solving the problem of the veto bill.
 The decision of the government to take up the house of lords amendments seri-
 
 longed sitting owing to the opposition of the laborites who contended it was a needless concession to the lords and com pelled the ministers to accept a modifi- cation to their proposal that the speaker should consult the chairman of the com mittee on public accounts to determine the character of bills.
 An amendment providing that the speaker in deciding what constitutes a 11p bol Ia.,, c appointed from the panel of chairmen having been carried ard the lords amendment preventing an extension of the duration of parliament having been accepted. MT. Churchill moved 10 dis agree with Lord Lansdowne's amend mert excluding home rule from the scope of the bill. In a somewhat dramatic manner Mir. Balfour declared that this latter amendment alone had caused a vital difference of opinion between the two houses and induced the government to give criminal advice" to the sov- ereign.
 After some further debate MT. Churchill applied cloture and the amendment was rejected. S21 to 215. After the House had carried minor amendments dealing with the govern ment concessions and committees had been appointed to draw up the req sons for the lower house disagreeing with amendments of the upper house, an adjournment was taken.
 Sir Edward H. Carson, unionist, prom ised the government that their intention of passing a home rule bill by force would be resisted by force.
 At one point Carson nearly caused an outbreak by referring to Mir. Asquith's communication to Mir. Balfour on the subject of the kings guarantees as a 'blackmailing letter"
 Home Secretary Churchill followed. strongly deprecating the resort to disor- der and riot advocated by Cecil and Car son. He also stated that when the minis ters conferred with the king in November in regard to the guarantees he was made fully acquainted with all matters in dis pute between the parties, and which home rule was one of the most impor- tant'
 The impression which the speaker evil dently Sought to convey was that the king was in favor of home rule for Ire lanI