Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1911-10-16

| asking that il he had any charges to
make against Samuel kalbfus or the ex-
| was in October. and he replied in writing
| the following January, having seen law
yers during that time.
Good Way to Publicity.
when You wrote to the Commissioners.
| also you gave to Representative Bennett of
New York copy of that letter why?''
ITO release the matter on the floor of
the House would be a good way to bring
this matter to the attention of the pub
lic.'' =, 49, >.~t
What did you ask Representative Ben.
II forget I guess it was to let the
matter become public from the floor of
Mr.. Hogan asked specifically about sew
eral newspaper men, mentioning them by
name. <stss
why did you talk with these men?
Did you want publicity for yourself?'
Mr.. Hogan, 1 am not here for pub
licity.''
Then why did you talk?'
II didn't talk much. II I had wanted
to 1 could have talked every day for
several months on this NATTER
Another long argument ensued. Finally
Mr. Hogan addressed himself to the
Commissioners:
81 have had more difficulty in getting
anything from this witness than from
any one ever saw. 1 have tried to find
out why he gave these matters to news
paper men and to; Representative Ben
net" fs-
II didn'tsgioe any papers to any news
paper man. l merely showed the papers
l afterward gave to Representative
Bennett"
ooh
= A Difficult Witness.
Mr.. Hogan then asked whether he
had not shown great activity in TAX
ip4 witnesses to United States Attorney
Wilson when Mr.. Wilson was looking
into the matter. The retorts came
thick and fast. and Assistant Corpora
ton Counsel White interfered. asking
that the cross examination be made
one Of more respect for the witness.
Mr.. Hogan replied: You must re-
member am having extreme difficulty
with this witness. Every one in the
District knows that there are Horst
mann charges against Mr.. Kalbfus. No
matter what you call 1T, these charges
are charges. and nothing else
Mr.. Horstmann then said he was not
the important witness he was supposed
to be. as he had given up the matter
long ago. and that all his facts and data
are in the hands of the corporation coun-
Sci and other people. and, said he could
not remember the names and dates and
lists Of persons asked for without re-
course to the data.
Ibid you ever tell a man named Marks
that kalbfus is crooked?" asked Mr.. Ho-
gan. suddenly.
81 don't remember having used that
term
do you deny it?"
Il don't remember having used that
term
Ever see Fl. II. Darneile about this
natter
Yes
Talked with him.
Yes
After you We're discharged?''
Yes
Unable to Remember.
did you ever tell him that Mr.. Kalb-
fus is crooked" ts
Il don't remember using that term
do you deny it,
term.
Did you ever go to the White House
! about your excise matters?" asked Mr.
Hogan. and Immediately there was a stir,
and Commissioner Rudolph for the mo-
ment interfered. to put the matter up to
! counsel
= when a man is active in bringing a
| matter like this to the attention OF
! newspap per men. to officials, to the federal
government. to the committees of the
House. think he is displaying very &C
tive animus. and We should get at it,.
Perhaps" said Mr.. Rudolph. ''bu,
can't you do it without mentioning the
| White House,?
For a few minutes the White House
rested with the lawyers. Mr.. Hogan pro-
ceeded. speaking of the copies of rea
| estate transactions which Mr.. Horstmanr
/ has asked to be explained:
Who got these copies of records from
the Office of the recorder of deeds?"
"a man in the Office of the United
| States attorney.
| why did you try to show that NJ. ]
| keane. whose name appears on some
/ Of these deeds which are included in the
report of Mr.. White. is an attorney for a
brewing company"
Because l saw his name on lot OF
chattel mortgages"
Now, after having seen the Commits
sioners. after having seen the United
! States attorney having employed cour.
, sci. after obtaining the real estate record
and having released the matter on the
| floor of the House. l want to know what
charges you have against Mr.. Kalbfus?
No Charges to Make.
II have no charges to make / merely
presented these facts and brought about
this investigation. l am now merely
subpoenaed as witness in the investiga-
| ton
At this peint Commissioner Rudolph
| announced that the question concerning
the White House would be admitted
| Mr.. Hogan asked
| Did you take statement of facts at
the White House regarding the District
excise board?"
| II did
| When"
| Why"
| 81 was asked to-
| "By whom
| Mr.. Horstmann would not ansxer