The Washington herald., 1911-10-26
The members, however, are at times i'm
patient"
"IrreIeVant," Says Hogan.

The members, however, are at times i'm
| patient"
"IrreIevnnt," Says Hogan.
Mr.. Hogan, attorney for KaIbfus, then
| arose and maintained that the questions
| of Mr.. White We're irrelevant to the
matters under investigation. The Com
missioners conferred for a moment, and
then asked Mr. White to state object OF
! his line of questioning
II am trying to show" said Mr.. White.
that Kalbfus dominates the excise
! board and that number of poolrooms
are permitted to be operated in connec-
ton with barrooms."
Mr. White was directed TO COnfne his
questioning to these points.
Mr.. Shoemaker said that although il
was illegal to sell liquor in poolrooms
IN many cases poOlrOoms and barrooms
are separated only by thin partitions
with wicker gates, and that frequently
the doors are kept permanently upeE.
The witness also testified that in the
case of a Virginia avenue saloon. the
proprietor, who at first was unable to
obtain a license because or the protest
of adjacent property holders. brought
about the transfers Of property sufficient
10 give the applicant the necessary sigma
lures.
This is common practice" said Mr.
Hhoemaker i strike such cases nearly
every week I would recommend an
amendment of the excise laws prohibit
ing the owner Of the licensed property
rom entering INTO the matter of procur-
vicinity ~ '''e
DO you think that the excise board
should refuse more licenses than they
10 MT. Shoemaker was asked.
Resembles Dentistry.
Il think the board ought to use more
uiScretion' For instance, in Seventh
street between + and l. northwest, there
are lortE saloons. In Z street, between
Thirteenth and Fourteenth streets north
west facing the District Building. there
are nine saloons. I will say. though, that
the board, as a rule, refuses most new
applications. But it's like pulling teeth
TO get the board to shut up an estab-
lished place"
II the personnel of the excise board
were changed, do Tyou think the occa-
Sional differences between YOU and the
board would be eliminated?" asked Com
missioner Judson.
why, no; I think not"
DO YOU think the board, as consti- |!
tuted, would be justified in closing more
saloons continued Maj. Judson.
BY public sentiment"
Don't you think that the position of
member of the excise board is n verv
difficult one to holdy'
Il know of 10 more difficult position |
The members must make many enemies. |
IheY make enemies of those whose re- !
quests for licenses are denied and OF !
those whose protests are not respected. ."
DO YOU think it would be a wise move /
to place the excise board under the police
Department.
board and the police department is a
good thing"
Do you know of any impropriety or
corruption in connection with any mem
bers of the board?''
I know nothing to lead me to believe
that any member is corrupt There have
been many things, however, which 1 have
been unable to explain. There has been
much Inconsistency. which has not look
ed we'll on the face"
To Err Is Human.
Yes" said Commissioner Jbhnston,
we are all prone to error"
The hearing then adjourned until this
morning at l o'clock At the morning
session yesterday Mr. Hogan requested
he Commissioners to either summon
Congressman William S. Bennett. of New
York, who made u speech on the floor of
he House on February ,, setting forth
he charges of Horstmann against KaIb-
us, or ask Mr. Bennett to transmit any
Information he may have in the matter
The Commissioners have telegraphed for
Mr.. Bennett to forward all papers or
statements he may possess concerning
he matter.
Mr.. Horstmann was on the stanh for
short time to relate the details of his
all on President Taft in regard to the
\albfus matter. Michael J. Keane. at
orney for the Abner-Drury Brewing
company, continued his testimony, re- .
'iewing real estate deals in which he
nd kalbfus were interested. Mrs Mary
Buckley and Mrs. Edith Black also told
4 real estate transactions with Kalbfus
nd Keane. Roger Williams, chief clerk
4 the excise board, made some additions
o his testimony at previous hearings.