The evening times. [volume] (Grand Forks, N.D.) 1906-1914, 1911-10-18

is. had been Informed in reference
to that at the time. Our legislative
committee then subpoenae6 Mr..
Shields and he disappeared. He left
the state. We were never able to OBJ
tain his testimony. I am also inform
ed that there ts a man here in Mill
waukee. with whom have not talked
another party here In Milwaukee.
whose name do not know. that part
OF this money went to the three DEM
ocrats who walked out OF the Joint
session. The gentleman's name here
In Milwaukee whom understand has
that information is Saunderson. He
used to be assistant sergeant-at-arms
the time that Senator Stephenson was
elected.
"Mr. Saunderson claimed to have
told another parry that he had this
information, and wanted to know If
we would pay for the services Of de-
tecttve In working the thing out, when
1t became known that this committee
was to investigate the matter. in
formed tb" party as did also the 9TH
was paasa a whom we're sas poe oaxoa
giving the co,.. Hst what informa- @
ton have in re-. Soc,.o it. am
not saying that 1t is T. tp
Senator Pomerene-'' O. 1t 10
reported to you that Mr.. : ~terson
had told something to another party.
Who was that party?"
&c. H: crownhart. He lives in Mad
ison at the present time. He Is chair
man of the Industrial commission re-
Gently created in the state of Wis
consin."
Senator Pomerene-"Mr. Crown
hart was asked, as understand 1t,
by Mr.. Saunderson how much the
progressives would be willing to pay
to have that matter worked out fully
by a detective. claiming that the in
formation was here in Milwaukee, and
ton. Mr.. Crownhart refused to have
anything to do with 1t. The same
information was conveyed to me
through another party. and OF course
I said the same thing In reference
to It,"
or party?"
Morris-"william Kittle Of Madi-
son. The committee understands that
Saunderson. understand Mr.. Crown
hart has. have had two or three
talks with Mr.. Crownhart at Madison.
and I think we talked it over at La
crasse also"
Senator Pomerene-"You speak of
Mr.. Cook, a partner of Mr.. Hines.
Did you talk with Mr.. Cooke"
Morris-"Yee."'
Senator Pomerene-"What is Mr..
Cooks name?"
Morris-'I think his initials are
w. H. lam not certain about that.
He is Mr.. Hines partner in the lum.
Der business. He lives in Duluth,
Minn."
Senator. Pomerene-"when did he
tell you this?"'
Morris-"I think it was in April.
this year in Chicago in law Office
in the Rookery building"
Whose law Officer"
IT have been trying to remember
the mans name. am not at all
clear about 1t. never met him be-
FORE"
Was anyone else present when you
had this talk with him."
"Yes, Senator Husting and Mr.. tt
tus. Mr.. Cook gave this information
to US at the time and he asked us
to withhold 1t until such time came
~ he gave his permission, to dis
close 1. In answer to the senators
question, feel under oath that it IL
my duty now to disclose the informa-
Hs "
will say that is the same Hines who
had something to do with the Lorimer
situation
what, If anything. further did he
say with reference to the use Of this
money!" ...
DO you want me to give you the
conversation? I made no mernoran-
dunn. Titus was with us. He came
ONE and said he had a friend in
III atk ~ 4
talked with Mr.. Cook. and that MFR.
Cook had some information with ref
ence to the election Of Senator steph-
enson by the legislature. Mr.. Cook
said that after the original charges
were filed by State Senator Blaine and
the legislature failed to elect Senator
Stephenson, Mr.. Hines went to Sem
ator Stephenson and represented to
him that it would be impossible for
representing to him that II he would
put in, as I remember the figures.
$55.000, that he. Hines, would raise
an equal amount and the money would
be used in bringing about the election
Of Mr.. Stephenson by the legislature.
Cook said that the arrangement was
finally agreed upon. and that Shields
and another man, whose name he did
not give us as remember-at any
took charge of the matter. and Of
course in time the senator was elect
ed. This money he said was used
in part in securing the absence of
three Democrats on the day that
Stephenson was elected. Then he
said that Shields went to Chicago
and insisted upon being paid a sum
of money. think $4,000 by Hines
for his services at Madison. and that
Hines and Shields entered into dis
pute about 1t, they had some words.
talk the matter over with Mr.. Cooks
partner-I do not remember his name
his partner there in Duluth in the
lumber business. and that his partner
went with Shields to Chicago and
talked the matter over with Hines.
and that the matter was finally set
tied up by giving Shields $500 for
his services and a certain line of fire
insurance. Cook volunteered this in
formation to US. knowing that we
were interested in the matter, were
on the committee. and promised to
see Shields and use his influence with
him to get him to come forward and
tell about the whole thing. I have
never seen Cook since and I have
never seen Shields There were two
conversations. The second one was
on the train. was going home from
Chicago and Cook was going to Du-
the parlor car and Senator Husting
was present at that conversation. I
think had no conversation with
Cook alone at any time"
Senator Pomerene-"Was there
any additional information in this
second conversation"
mo. no additional information. The