The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-15
Grand Jury Wants to
Know How Expenses
Were Met.
RIGHT INTO HEART
OF CONSPIRACY
Woman Bookkeeper for Iron
Workers Association Is Ques-
toned Closely-Check Stubs
and Records Are Taken
Into Jury Room-Proceed-
ings Closely Guarded.

indianapolis. December 14.-As a
direct lead into the heart of the al
lesed dynamite conspiracy. District
Attorney Charles W. Miller. while the
Federal grand jury held its initial
nearing In the case to-day. took up
the question as to who furnished the
money FOR purchasing and paying the
EXPENSE OF carrying about the country
the explosives by which more than 100
structures We're blown up.
Mrs. Andrew j. Hull. nov Of Kim
oali. Nebr who. as Miss Edith Wine
brenner. was bookkeeper for the In
tcrnauonal Association OF Bridge and
structural Iron Workers, and who was
familiar with its money receipts and
disbursements. was closely questioned
by Mr. Miller. while into the grand
jury room were taken the stubs of
eheck books and accounting records of
the association during the five years
in which the explosions took place. II
was during large part of these five
years that Ortie Z. McManigal, ac-
cording TO his confession did dyna-
hitting for John j. Mcnamara, the
convicted secretary treasurer, and
often in company with James B. Nc
Namara.
An important feature OF McManigars
'S'.''-tio' 49, oSlcu dNteHtlOn IN con
nection with Mrs. Iull's visit TO the
district attorneys Office.
Got 800 for Each job.
This was the admission h. MIC
Manigal that he usually received about
500 for each Job" and that while
he complained that part of the money
was being held hack from him, James
y. Mcnamara had admitted aeeinE the
stub for the check and had said John
u. would .'ES
Most of the jury's attention to-day
was taken up with an outlining by
District Attorney Miller OF what the
investigation was TO be, how far IL
was 10 go. and the number and char
acter OF the witnesses to be called.
The identity OF the few witnesses
called to-day was kept I'm strict
siders were not permitted In the cor
ridors near the grand jury rooms
Mrs. iiulfs appearance at the Fed
eral building followed that OF III. s.
Hockins, acting secretary of the iron
Workers Association, who had been
comforting with Frank A. Ryan, the
president. who occupies the position
now formerly held by John !. Nc
Namara. McManigal in his confession
told OF at least $4,000 having been
paid him, and said some person other
than John j. Mcnamara did the paying,
but after he and James ]. Mcnamara
blew up a viaduct in Cleveland on
June %, 1910. he had had dispute
with the man over the amount he was
to receive. and in consequence ~. j.
took tho matter in hand himself all
the way through"
For the Cleveland Job McManigal
said he and James B. were paid 500
each.
Referring 10 an explosion at the
Iroquois Steel Plant. at South Chicago.
MECHANICAL said he used eighty pounds
OF dynamite, and added when I
went to indianapolis J. ]. Mcnamara
paid me 800 in cash. as that was all
the cash he had in the Office I saw
him pay j. B. Mcnamara for the Job.
Complains OF Small Pay.
That records We're kept of some of
the money paid out was indicated In
a part of the confession. in which
McManigal tells OF his complaint Of
the small pay he received before he
dealt directly with Mcnamara He said
(Continued on Seventh pcs 1900