New-York tribune., 1911-04-22
ASK CARNEGIE, SAYS
CUMM|NS TO Jury
SAYS He Urged Grand Jurors to
Ask Ironmaster for Facts
About Him.
REICHMANN ALSO HEARD
Indicted Men Reported to Have
Talked of Conference in Hydes
Private Office, Already
Described by Robin.

po,ohn,an aureared Yesterday before the
grand Jury investigating Carnegie trust
Company affairs. ard answered ions
list Of questions after JuGtice Davis had
ordersd them 10 do so These questions.
II is said. had 20 do in large part with
the conference held in the city Chamber
lains private Wall street Office about
which .Toseph q pobn has already
testified at length The grand jurors
heard. II IS said. a story which was IN
substance corroboraton ot what ROBIN
had testified.
Cummins came out Of the grand jury
room and said he had told the srahu
jury:
III YOU want to know anything ABOUT
me Just ask my friend, Andrew Carnegie
He'll tell YOU gentlemen that there isn't
a crooked hair in william J. Cunrniinss
head"
But the grand Jury wanted 70 Kho"
whether he was a friend OF Mayor Gay
nor Yes he knew the Mayor, ne sa'a'
had mot him at dinner. But ne den'eo
that he had ever boasted OF Tayno1S
friendship al a financial asset, as NJ W.
uutchins. the Bank Departments chier
.xarirar testified on Thursday. and he
denied. too. that he knew Rufus Gayno''
All this and a great deal more largely
concerning the conference held one sum-
mers night in Hyde's private wan street
Office. came from source close 10 the
defence. and Is supposed 10 be In SUD-
stance the information obtained by the
grand Jurors from both Joseph Is. Relch-
mann, former president of the carnegie
Trust Company, and Cumnlins
Some Of their replies to forty ques-
tions which both at first refused 70
answer particularly some Of the replies
made bv Reichnann. so alarmed the de-
fence. il is said. that conference VAS
held later between Cummins. stephen Z
Baldwin. John 3 Stanchfed and Abra-
ham Lew. and telephone message was
sent TO Samuel Cntermyer. counsel TOT
the City Chamberlain.
For instance. Reichrann, when asked.
q is reported. what Hyde said when told
that Robin had helped the Cumnins
co,erie replied that the City Chamber o.
lain had slapped Robin on the back
"c,,ad 70 know you've been doing the
right thing" Hyde is quoted as having
cried Il want you 20 do all YOU can 10:
tho bovs. for they're my friends.
3e;ohmann OF to Ohio.
Peichmann was absent from 'he COT
ference attended by Cumnins ana the
,avvers because he had 10 rush from the
GRAND fury room 10 eaten Udih lor
Davton. Ohio But he had time 10 'eH
ctenhen C. Baldwin his counsel VINO
,..i,ad outside in the corridor or the
c.,,iroI courts Building. what he mad
been up against.
Robins. II will he remcmoereo' pes"
o.d thu, AZ this conference attehnen oS
uvde Cummins. Reichmann ana n'''
lie =, : o'clock on the night or August
% in Hvde's office No. 50 wan s'Ie'
,ari,e asresment was entered INTO
..oroh,. the Northern Bank was '"
chtain more city money IN
making loan Of Sl3o.oo' 70 Tue
,,.,ia Trust Company Mr.. hSue ''
1eriad this. saying he "a" ohe ''n
,or only minute or two III HIS o,',
49,, .varins. and then left them 10 'he''
.u,n husiress dealings
,arr was asked II he calleo
1T, 10 the Offices OF the Carhes''
rrus, Company on August 20 anu ,''
,a ,es. why he had done so' ana Ne
r.n,,ed that the company neeoeo NONE
ond wanted Robin 10 furnish J"
fur,hsr questions he answered 'ha' '"e
,s, comnany had got the help from
phi, IL sought. that on that same
a,,.n,ro he had taken Robin TO the city
rhar,bAriain's Wall street ofice, be-
tween and : o'clock. "nere they hao
me-, Cummns and later HYDE. Rooip'
\. said. had been urging MN 70 lh'r"-
d,ce him 10 the City Chamberlain ana
he had taken that opportunity OF DONG
so.
ooh;,,s testimony was used 70 re-
tras, his memory az times. il Is said.
and AZ one point elected from MN
denial that HYDE had made any threats
or PROMISES 10 Robin. Reichmann ex-
nlain.d 10 the City Chamberlain tnat
Robin had helped the Carnegie Trust
COMPANY. but he also explained. he said.
that the Carnegie Trust Company had
he,ped Robin As 10 his own intro
duction TO the City Chamberlain. Reich
mann is reported as saying that he met
him through Cummins last spring At
the offices of the Carnegie Trust Com
pany.
II was learned from the court proceed
ing following their refusal TO answer
questions that the sam. forty questions
were put TO Cummins that Reichmann
had to face Both. IL is understood. in
sisted that the meeting between Hyde
and Robin was purely social Cummins
is said to have admitted. however that
Robin asked the City chamberlain for
city money. and that the City Chamber
lain laughed saying. in effect. They all
want some OF that
Robins testimony was used with the
same effect on this witness who as
serted that tine SlS0O0O loan by the
Northern Bank TO the Carnegie Trust
Company had been agreed upon al the
trust company in the afternoon before
they went Ia Hydes Office Robins in
PRODUCTION to Hyde was considered In
the light of reward he said.
Cty Deposits Considered.
Then Cummins vas asked. II Is sup
posed. how he got much city money