The Detroit times. [volume] (Detroit, Mich.) 1903-1920, 1911-03-29
Or. ives IS GIVEN
HARD GR|lL|NG
BY DEFENSE
Attorney Hunt Rakes Up the Anna
Ross Case in Attack on Witness,
But Court Promptly Shuts
Off Questions.
Alienist Sticks To Statement That
Boyajian Was Sane When He
Shot Gostanian.

The cross-examination of DR.. A. W
for the prosecution In the trial OF DR.
q. X. Boyajian. charged with the muir
der of his nephew, Hartoon GostaE
ian. was continued by the defense
Tuesday morning.
DIR. Ives, In answer TO questions
from Attorney o. +. Hunt, said that
epilepsy Is largely hereditary; that il
Is sometimes inherited by children as
result OF their parents having been
afflicted with hysteria. He said thai
records had been kept OF epileptic
cases In French, German and Italian
asylums, but he didn't think they
were very complete.
Mr. Hunt then went into the diff
fercnt kinds of epilepsy, as brought
out in the trial, and asked the witness
II he regarded the affliction of DR..
Boyajian as the most malignant type.
The witness replied that the doctors
father. in his opinion, suffered from
sort OF hysteria or "epileptic equiv
alent." causing immediate uncon-
seriousness.
Mr.. Hunt asked the witness IL an
epileptic person didn't do things,
such as acts of violence, automatical
ly while attacks were coming on. The
witness answered that statistics show
ed that patients sometimes did GER
tain things, such as opening their
desks and the like
Isn't II SO that some patients do
acts of violence?" Mr.. Hunt insisted.
Yes, sometimes" was the answer.
"Such cases are on record"
The witness replied to further
questions that he was of the opinion
that homicidal ideas and inclinations
came to epileptic patients after
seizures.
Mr.. Hunt next drew the attention
OF the witness to the testimony OF
Prof. Klingman, the alienist who tes-
titled for the defense, particularly to
that part relating to the seizure DR..
Boyajian had while DR.. Klingman ex-
amiped him.
Or. Ives said the seizure OF DR.. Boy
allan, while under examination, ac-
cording to the conditions told by DR..
Klingman, was epileptic, and that he
considered DIR. Boyajian was an cpl.
leptic at the time.
There Are Others.
The witness said he had high re-
gard for the opinion of DR.. Klingman;
that he was one of the very best au-
thorities that could be secured. but
that he. also considered that DR..
Hitchcock, Da. Babcock and he, him.
self, were also quite competent as
alienists. He was Of the opinion that
DR.. Klingman might be mistaken. in
spite OF his ability, in regard to cpl
lepsy.
Asked II he regarded hysteria as a
disease, DR.. Ives answered In the af-
firmative. He thought that patients
suffering from hysteria were partially
irresponsible, but he didn't think they
were as much irresponsible as epilep-
tics. regardless of the length Of time
the patient might be suffering from
hysteria. Hysteria and epilepsy are
separate and distinct diseases. he said
Hysteria Is a disease OF the brain,
but the exact nature of 1t Is not yet
known, the witness added.
Mr.. Hunt next asked Dr. Ives IL he
had testified as an alienist In a num-
Der of criminal cases, and the witness
answered that he had. He also admit
ted that he had examined Mrs. Anna
B. Ross In regard to her sanity. Mr..
Hunt asked the witness IL he had
signed a paper, committing Mrs. Ross
TO the insane asylum.
Prosecutor Van Zile interposed an
objection, whereupon the court or
dered the question stricken out.
Mr.. Hunt explained that he wanted