The Washington times., 1911-06-28
WILL. FORCE HINES
TO SHOW HIS HAND
Lormer Probers to Hear From Central Figure in Scandal
Before Taking Other Evidence-Goes on
49,. Stand Tomorrow.

Mr.. Culver" observed Attorney Healy
grimly, as heNstarted the reading.
The affidavit repeated about what has
already been stated; 1t denied the con-
versaticn which Jones testified he over
heard.
man. told of seeing Hines in Washing
ton in May. 1909. He was on lumber
tariff matters. Hines had called the
Buffalo and North Tonawanda lumber
men together and urged them to help
keep the lumbe. duty from being re-
moved. The commission was named at
this meeting and came to washington
Macleod also met LoriIner on that
trip. we lunched in the House." Mac
Leod said, where Hines introduced me
to Mr.. T.orimer, and afterward told me
that Lorimer might he the new Senator
from Illinois. l think Representative
Alexander of Buffalo lunched with US.
Did Hines talk about how to inftu-
ence the Senators in your favor as to
tariff"
yes He wanted us to see our Sepa-
tors We saw our own Senators. and
Mt. Tillman and some others-don't re-
call who
Did Senator Root tell you to go home
that the Senate wasn't stock ex-
changer"
No Trading.
mo. He advised us that We would be
treated fairly. but there would be no
trading among Senator's"
who paid the expenses Of that COM
missions trip" asked Senator Kenyon.
THE White Pine Association"
did Mr.. Hines say anything about
money being used to elect Lorimer?"
Did you ever hear Of a large sum
being raised and used in that election?''
Yes, sir, I did,
The committee pricked up its ears.
There was a rustling of papers on the
desks Of lawyers and writers. Necks
were craned. heads bent forward; the
traditional pin drop would have sounded
like an avalanche. Here was real
STUFF coming from an utterly unexpect-
ed source.
You did hear. you say, of a large
Yes. / did," doggedly persisted this
witness
Then tell US where you heard about
The silence was deep as a we'll. 1t
could have been shoveled out Of the
room as the witness leaned forward and,
with the fixed. earnest air Of a man
bent on doing the right, though the
heavens fall, replied, in low. tense tones:
II read 1t in the newspapers"
The committee fairly groaned. It
was an awful SlTdlIlb oil lHdl eAClle-
ment, with the temperature at Sand
then such a disappointment. A few
heartless auritors laughed: but serious
minded folk only wept a little more
perspiration.
Had Little to Tell.
Macleod didn't know anything impor-
tant except that remark of Hires' that
'Lorimer might be the next Senator
from Illinois, The committee takes
some satisfaction in occasionally draw
ing out the evidence of Hines superior
gifts of prophecy. He seemed sure of
Lorimer's election before anybody else
suspected its possibility.
Hugh Mclean. q North Tonawanda
On. W mmberman, also odd Of coming
to Washington on the same committee
as Macleod. He saw Hines, talked
to Secretary Knox ABOUT how
much it would hurt the infant lumber
industry of this country to let in free
the pauper lumber of Canada-dressed
lumber. especially, for Mclean was a
mill mainland went home again. He
didn't learn Of details for raising lum-
Der money to buy Lortmer's :oga.