The Washington times., 1911-08-03
Driven To Corner, He Re-
pulses Hanecy With In
gersoll's Grafton.
PREDICTS FALL.OF
ANOTHER EMPIRE
Proves More Than Match For Lori
mer's Counsel In Clash
Of Wits.
By JUDS0N c. wELLIvER.

II don't believe Bob Ingerson was
an atheist
II believe laboring men have the right
to strike"
Il believe 1 performed a charity to
the people in bringing about the ex-
posIre Of legislative conditions
Il don't think it's right for repre-
sentatlVes of the interests 10 make laws
for the people"
u am IN favor of the initiative refer
endum. and recall"
Strikes may cause suffering. poverty,
and destituuon; but SO do wars
Riots may result from strikes, and
people be killed. So are people killed
in wars"
Sees Empire Crumbling.
Charles A White presented his social
and economic views to the Lorimer in
vestigators today, in defending himself
for exposing conditions in the Illinois
Legislature. The youthful legislator
under cross-eXam1nation by Judge Han
ecy, counsel Tor Lorimer, and his views
on politics, economics and particularly
ancient history, especially uplifted the
committee and audience.
The young man whose confession
started the whole scandal declared that
he is writing book about it.
oh" he said, Il may write several
books; can't tell about that
Maybe about the Decline and Fall
of the Roman EmpireT suggested Judge
Hanecy with a delicate sarcasm that
consisted in its allusion to Whites tes-
timony that he had been reading about
Greece, Rome, Assyria, and that sort
Of stuff.
Likely enough retorted White
quickly. I'VE seem to be drifting over
that same course pretty fast
White was not comfortable under the
cross-examination. but he stood 1t with
q stoical cOmposure> that was really
wonderful Judge Hanecy is an expert
at skinning witnesses, but Whites
hide was 50 think, or his sentient nerves
so we'll under control, that the judge
didn't get much satisfaction from him.
However, the defense had a chance to
get into the record a question that i'm
peached Whites testimony, and the
lawyers for the committee were over
ruled when they tried to keep it out.
1t was fine long question, one Of
those hypothetical marvels in which
and the hanging up of the moon, and
the turning on Of the current that lights
the stars, and wind up with:
Now, answer yes or moi"
The committees lawyers didn't want
White TO be forced to answer the Ques
ton, but the committee said he could,
Hanecy Gets Him
Judge Hanecy, counsel for Lor1mer,
was in peculiarly good fettle when he
this morning His sort-voiced sarcasm
was on tap at its best, and If he didn't
make White writLSe so often as he
would have liked, it was only because
White seen ed to be steeled and armor-
plated against all such attacks.
White was taken over his early life
history. He told of his schooling and
of attendance at church and Sunday
school. He was labor lobbyist during
the legislative session of 1907, repre-
senttng the street railway men, and all
that time he learned enough about cor
ruption TO make him want to learn
more and expose It.
White lectured at some length about
the ethical ideals that had moved him
TO make his exposure His philosophy
Of life and economies obviously is that
Of the half-baked amateur thinker, who
has had tincture of socialism added
to general feeling that things are
all wrong"
whether White learned of faith, hope,
and charity in Sunday school.
Il have always practiced them as
well as I knew how" replied White.
(which of these three graces would
affair7"
Charity. I consider that was do
ing a service to the people Of the
country, In exposing as I have the
conditions in their Legislatures"
White developed the opinion that
strikes are justifiable. often neces-
saryt they may bring poverty and
destttuGon. but those things must be
borne II conditions are to be better
ed. Riots, even, would in some cir
cumstances, be unavoidable. though
White didn't think them right. He
believed there should be the right Of
protest against unjust laws made
by the representatives OF special in
terests; and he gave a thorough going
Endorsement 10 the initiative, refer
iendum, and recall as measures where
by to correct evil conditions
His views on this point brought a
smile to the faces Of some Of the con-
servative Senators who are not as
sumed to indorse those proposals.
when did you last attend a church,
Mr.. Winter" suddenly asked Judge
Hanecy.
Hold on" interrupted Senator Kern.