The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1911-02-18

chell Eugene Wood, MIR Parsons, Mr.
Hitchcock, II. =. Whitney and Charles II
Hyde. who represented William fngeman
! he fund was made up by them. senator
NCCarren wished to have the handing
of the money and n dispute arose over
that question. ] was engaged by Hyd"
to 20 up to Albany and help him because
he was a greenhorn and didn't know the
ways there. Senator McCarren was
ploued because he didn't have the han
ding of the money.
James Gafrney was to have the han
ding Of si25.O to take care Of the Tam
many men. | heard that Senator Grady
got $4,000. so you can imagine how much
tho others got McCarren was very much
put out to think that n greenhorn could
come up and get away with job like
that"
Mr.. Elder said he told Gardner that
there must have been n quarter OF mill
ion in the fund and Gardner replied that
half n million would be- nearer right
Gardner said he had been retained
in the matter because he knew ways and
methods up at Albany and knew how
to approach people and handle them "
Mr.. Elder then related how Gardner
told him that certain newspaper cor
respondents at Albany got 1900 each
out Of the fund but they wouldn't give
a certain Brooklyn man ANYTHING because
they were afraid he would get talkative
and tell all he knew Elder said he re-
marked that he had heard on good
authority that senator Foelker got
$4,000. but Gardner corrected him and
said II was $4,000 Foclker got. Elder
said he had it on good authority that
it was $1,000 and he remarked that
George Tirrell. then an Albany cor
respondent and now secretary for Comp
troller Prendergast. had told him. Gard
ner replied that Tirrell wasn't in posi-
ton to talk. and said
What do you think Of that fellow
Since he has been made secretary to the
Comptroller have asked him for favor
and he has sent back word that he knew
me once. but doesn't know me any more.
What do you think Of that treatment"
Gardner told Elder. il was said. that
Foelker not only got the money not 10
vote, but voted notwithstanding; that
an arrangement had been made 10 have
Foelker declared too i'll TO vote, hut Canon
Chase of Brooklyn stuck TO Foelker so
close that the scheme miscarried and
Foelker went in and voted.
compensation for services" asked Mr..
Mott.
He said Hyde had not kept his agree
ment, and had not paid all he promised
20. and that made it necessary for Gard.
ner to take $4,000 out Of the money he
had for himself and make good on two ot
his promises on which he felt he could
not fail. He said one Of q. 600 was for
the President OF the Senate"
MIR. ELDER CROSS
On cross, e Examination Mr. Elder said
that Gardner had been to see him pre-
viously about the prosecution Of Jacob
Ellperin by the District Attorney. He
admitted that the District Attorney oi
Kings county was not prosecuting any
bribery cases at the time, but only acts
on racetracks for the violation Of the Law
passed two years before,
Have you any feeling Of hostility
toward Mr.. Hyde?'
when Gardner came TO you did yor
have an indictment pending against
William Engemanf'
He's Mr., Hyde's brother-in-law. ism,
Yes. I believe so"
retained him?"
NO. he said Hyde had retained him.
Did YOU make any minutes Of thai
ccrversaticn?"
You didn't call in a stenographer?"
Did you communicate what you hac
learned to the District Attorney Of New
York county?"
NO, | didn't"
ITO anybody"
Yes. to John F, Clarke. the D!stric,
Attorney Of Kings county"
Didn't II occur TO you that the evidence
might be OF use in criminal prosecution
1t wouldn't have served any crimlna
prosecution in my county"
Did you ever communicate any par
of the conversation TO the District Attor
ney Of Albany county,"
when did Tirrell tell you that Foelkel
got sl5,OoO?"
1T was a few weeks before We had thi.
conversation"
Did you ask how foelker got it?-
And yet at that time Foelker was rep
resentlnR in Congress n district in King
county, and if h. did get the SIS 600 il
was for his vote in favor of this bill?"
That was only my Inference" said
Mr. Elder.
MIR. Mott jumped up and pointed on,
that MIR. Steuer was in error in saving
that il wa, and Foelker got the SIS 90,
for voting in favor Of the bill. but Mr.
! Steuer replied;
HE probably made a business PROPOSE
tion of il. Took $1,000 not TO vote for tn,
bill and $4,000 to vote for il. and thcr
went to the side that gave him sl5NOo"
Mr.. Mott asked the witness on redirec
examination if there is anything in III,
code that makes what was done at Del
monico'S crime. and Mr. Elder replied
that there isn't He said that at no tim,
was anything reported to him of "A Grim,
committed in New York or Kings county
sonally part of what Gardner told him.