The Oskaloosa herald., 1911-07-20
AFFIRM AND DENY
: hines STORIES
Buyer for Lumber Company Re-
peats Chiefs Conversations.
STRIKES KERN AS STRANGE
Club Clerk Corroborates Hettler's Tes-
tirsony of Lumberman's Boast
Canadian Contradicts Evidence
Given by William Burgess.

Washington, July ia gruelling
cross-examination was given at the
senate Lorimer committee hearing to
Isaac Baker Of Chicago, a buyer for
the Edward Hines Lumber company,
when in his testimony he repeated al
most verbatim Edward Hines version
OF two disputed conversations connect
Ing Hines with Senator Lorimer's cleo
ton.
The witness said he never repeated
the conversations until after the Helm
committee investigation at Springfield
last spring and had neither read
Hines testimony about the conversa-
ton nor heard him give his version of
them.
Don't you regard 1t as remarkable,
then, for you to make precisely the
same report of those conversations
that Hines does?" inquired Senator
Kern.
mo, sir, do not" answered Baker.
Baker Tells Of Phone Talk.
Baker testified that he made the
trip from Washington to Chicago with
Hines ending on May 26, the day Lori
mer was elected. He was present in
Writ H. Cooks room at the Grand Pa
cific hotel when Hines had a long-dis
lance telephone talk to Springfield
about Lorimer's election that day.
Cook testified that Hines said he
would be down on the next train pre-
pared to furnish all the money need
ed. Hines denied this remark. So
did Baker.
Baker was also at the Union League
club, he said, the day Clarence S.
Funk, general manager Of the Interna-
tional Harvester company, asked
Hines, according to Hines, for leave
to contribute to Lorimers campaign
fund. Funk declared Hines had asked
him to contribute $4,000 toward a
100000 fund.
Baker gave an account of the meet
ing OF Hines and Funk, just as Hines
had done, even describing how Funk
took hold of Hines left arm near the
elbow and walked away in converse
ton.
HettIer's Story corroborated.
How Hines is said to have boasted
he elected" Lorimer to the senate
was related by Donald NJ. Frame, a
cigar-stand employee in the Union
League club in Chicago. 1t was near
this stand that Herman H. Hettler
said Hines remarked to him on the
day Lorimer was elected that Lori
mer has been elected; l elected him
l did II myself, personally"
Frame swore that he could not re.
call the exact words, but that Mr..
Hines said: I have elected Lorimer
our next senator"
Says Weihe Did Not Boast.
Flat denial of William Burgess
story Of how Christian F. Wiehe
boosted of contributing $4,000 to Sen.
ator Lorimer's election and related
that Rev. Father Green had invoked
the church confessional to keep track
of the investigation was given by
Charles MCGOWAN of Regina, Saska
He was in the Pullman car smoker at
the time of the conversation.
During all that time was anything
said about the election of United
States Senator Lorimer?" asked At
torney Haynes.
There certainly was not"
Father Green Not Mentioned.
WAS anything said about a deteC-
tive being employed by a Chicago
newspaper who had gone to Father
Green and confessed that he had been
employed to get trumped up evidence
and had been refused dissolution until
he made reparation?"
"No, sir"
Discussions on reciprocity, tariff
and changing the course of a certain
stream between Canada and the
United States made up all the CONVEX
sation in the smoking compartment
according to the witness.
Affidavit Contradicts Witness.
A sensation came when Attorney
Marble asked for an affidavit Mr.. Nc
Gowan had signed at the request of
Shields" at Moose Jaw. 1t referred
to the testimony of Burgess before
the Helm committee, contained the
name of Senator Lorimer twice and
other incidents which the witness in
his testimony had declared were not
mentioned. In his testimony he had
insisted repeatedly that "a certain
senator" was as near as he came to
finding out the identity OF the person
being investigated.