New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1911-05-08


! Winner Of contest with duelling SWORDS.
thief II makes the next man think sec
| end time, and If you catch one Of the rich
/ fellows il does more good than II you eaten
one If the poor ones.
Otis Fought Employing Burns
But. do YOU know" ne sai1, Catching
those fellows in San Francisco nearly kept
m, out Of this Job II was funny, wasn't
II. going from the rich 10 the poor? But ]
was employed by the Mayor Of Los Angeles
after The Times dynamiting, and Harri-
son GRAY Otis. the owner II The Times
did his best TO keep me out Of the job. on
he put up en- awful roar. The Mayor told
otis, though. that ne was boss. ana ne
would employ the man he thought was the
best 10 do the work
They did succeed ir cutting of the
money. The Mayor gave me $500 and then
they demanded a report ! said ] WASH I
ready 10 make it I said that II ] MADE
report then all my work would be spoiled'
7 said ] couldn't take the chances Of me
report getting ont The Mayor was satls-
fed. but the other crowd was strong
enough TO make him stop the supply OF
money. and have $4,000 OF my own
money invested in the job now. You KNOW
you can't do a piece of work Ike ms lor
nothing. I have he'd about twenty men
working on this case, and Il has lasted Tor
several months
"IT get my money all right The city
oi Los Angeles is my client. I am not de-
pendent on Harrison Gray Otis, and nave
turned in itemized bills ana reports, show
ing where every FIVE cents was spent.
mo" Mr. Burns said in answer 10 A
question. "s20O0o isn't all these dyramit-
ing Jobs have cost That is what my work
has cost. They have cos; considerably
more than 100000 besides. That was the
reason the National Erectors' Association
would not employ me.
After felt satisfied that ] knew the
story and who had done the work ] went 70
them and laid the whole case before them
and asked them 10 employ me but icy
refused couldn't blame them. They
had spent more than 100000 on private
detectives and had not got single result
Matchmaking Thieve."
private detectives as class are the
biggest lot OF Matchmaking thieves that
ever went uHNlipIeu VI Juoh'''
Don't you ever worry about getting
killed."
What worries me" he said. rs that !
cant get any life insurance. I can't see
that am IN any more danger than you are
when you cross Fifth avenue at 72d
street why, | used TO so around san
Francisco at or 4 o'clock in the morning,
and nothing ever happened 10 me or
course. I was armed out never had 70
use a revolver. They hired man out there
to kill five OF RE was 10 get 5000 for
the job, and he is doing life In the peni-
Tertiary with Abe Ruef now. He did blow
up Jim Gallagher's house-snd we got him.
"Yet the insurance companies call me too
hazardous a risk" NJ. Burns complained
when / WAS In Seattle three years ago /
took out q $4,000 policy. I felt fine. !
thought | had my family fixed. But before
/ could get home the insurance company
went around and took the policy out OF my
house. Yes. That's what they did. They
took the policy out Of NY house before |
could get home"
Mr.. Gompers says that you planted
this case was said
/ Isn't that silly" M Burns said. Il vas
very much surprised at the attituie taken
| by Gompers. lie knows that this case was
not q frame-up. I don't think that ma lad
any knowledge OF II before the arrests
were made bur he has been 10 Indian
/ apolls since and has Investigated Il him
self am surprised at him
| John Mitcheli's statement was very fair
He ssid that he hoped the men would IA
able 10 prove their innocence. Clarence
Darrow-he's p hie LAWYER. He says he Is
! getting old You can't tell vet The case
I hasn't Gene 10 trial"
DO YOU think rhe union a. a union
was behind the dynamiting was asked
| COR do YOU think John 7 Mcnamara vas
the only union Official who Has connected
with it?"
IL can't say anything that will prejudice
The prosecution of the case" Mr. Burns
ranIied. but the books Ct the International
union will be ueed IS evidence in Los
AogeIes. and McNamars's bookkeeper Is
Going out 10 be a witness YOU know ne
saws that the books were very accurately
Lsr, and will show just where and when
Mcnamara used his own money Tor eT-
,anees and when the unions money was
used.
"NtcNanirsl says that John J. McNaara
| WAS the brains 81 tNt hSioiiitiNt' "''-
! that lanes r. took great pride In claim
| ing the invention Of the internal machines.
McManigaI says that John J. Mcnamara
took part in some OF the dynamitines =.
When We caught them. NcManigal ana
James y Mcnamara had Just been 10 Ire
troit 10 lay out the plans for six explosions
that they were going TO pull on IN ahon'
three DAYS They we're on the way TO hmm
for the dynamite. McManigsl said that the
clockwork mechanism was 81 prepared
Received 5000 for an Explosion
"The explosions were all 20 take place
the same night. They would have cone
nearly million dollars worth Of damage
and McManigal would have got 800 for
! his nights work lie was the one VINO
placed the machines and started the clocks
| aud he got 500 an explosion"
Are You greatly worried by the KID
napplng charges that have been brought
! against you"' Mr.. Burns was asked
Not a Bit" he said. Everything was
done in a perfectly regular way. We had
tie extradition papers from California, and
they were signed by the Governor Of In
diana We took McNamara right out OF
, meeting. and when we got there We
found a group Of newspaper men waiting
q, see the arrest made. SO that the news