The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1911-05-04

weather, and it is supposed Mr.. Black
has been eliminated from the District
Attorneys plans Henry L. Stimson
as a possibility.
GRAND jury kEErs Ar IT.
Continuing its investigation into Hyde 5
conduct the Carnegie Grand Jury yes
terday heard two witnesses. Deputy
Chamberlain Harry j. Walsh and Jordan
j. Rollins of the law firm of Rollins 4
Rollins. 81 Nassau street. At one time
Jordan j. Rollins was acting both for the
state Bank Department and william J.
Cummns of the Carnegie Trust Company
He testified yesterday that he had written
TO Chamberlain Hyde at Cummins's re-
quest to tell the Chamberlain what "A
fine fellow Cummins was Mr.. Rollins
was not aware of many things the Grand
Jury was anxious to find out
Deputy Chamberlain Walsh. when tea
tifying few days ago that Hyde ordered
him to increase the deposits in the North
ern Bank. could not recollect the date
he got the order. He said he would
think hard and try to get it back. Yes
terday the Grand Jury asked il the think
ing had produced anything definite.
Mr. Walsh said it hadn't. The closest
he could get to the date was that the
order was given to him in the latter part
OF August. 1910. II was on August %.
1910. according to the indict ment. that
the Chamberlain IL alleged to have CO.
creed Robin into lending si3O.OOO to the
Carnegie Trust Company.
The District Attorney has learned of
q conversation between Assistant Post
master Thomas Murphy and William j.
Cummins on the night Of August %, just
after the conference. Murphy accom-
panied Robin. he says. from Robins
apartment in the Beaux Arts to the Car
negie Trust Company at li5 Broadway.
Then he went with Robin to Hyde's Office
at 90 Wall street. He doesn't know
what took place in the conference be
cause he waited outside. Later, when
the friends were back again at the Car
negie In Cummins's private Office, Cum
minis was introduced TO Murphy.
CUMMINs AS THE OWNER or THE NEXT
PRESIDENT.
mighty glad to know you. Mr.. Muir
ply said the Tennesseean in great good
humor. The gentleman who just intro
duced you has just done a big nights
work for himself. He has made himself
solid with the biggest Democrat in
America. the man who owns the next
President Of the United States.
You want to keep friends with Robin"
Cummns joked He stands in with the
right people. When Gaynor is elected
President you can get anything you want.
They'll make you Post ma II er or give YOU
an Ambassadorship."
II was about this time that Cummins
was telling people how he int tended to
deliver Tennessee's delega tes to ne Demo-
cratic national convention of 1912 to
Gaynor. and how his friend O'Neil would
do the same for Idaho
PRESIDENT HOWELL TO TESTIFY
The last president Of the Carnegie
Trust Company. Joseph I. Howell. will be
a witness before the Grand Jury to-mor-
row. Immediately after the Carnegie
fell Mr. Howell returned To Nashville and
resumed the presidency of bank No
blame was ever attached to him in con-
nection with the Carnegie Trust Company
He took hold when the situation was
hopeless. He was familiar with many
of the details Of transa ctions about which
the Grand Jury wants to know Mr.
Howell will appear voluntarily of course
Some time ago he informed the District
he was wanted. His testimony is desired
ae to two matters principally Hydes
relations with the Carnegie Trust Com
pany and Bank Superint endent Cheneys
course in letting the company keep on
after April, 1910. Paul j. Cravath who
is MIR. Howelis counsel. called on the
District Attorney yesterday afternoon. ,