The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-07-16
GOVERNOR DENEEN
TESTIFIES AGAIN
Declares in August, 1909, Secre.
tary McVeagh Sent For Him
to Ascertain for Taft Mat
tiers Regarding Lorimer.
Political Alignment in
Illinois Discussed.

iS' peioie the Lortmer
Investigating committee that as early
as August. 1909. Secretary of the
Treasury MacVeagh had sent for him
ito ascertain for the President mat
ters regarding the election of Senator
Lorimer."
This was about three months after
Mr. Lorlmer's election.
Whether Secretary MacVeaeh was
proceeding on his own initial tive or
whether the President had suggested
mat he interview Governor Deneen
was not revealed Nor was IL de-
veloped whether an extended inquiry
was being conducted BY the admits
,fatioh into the manner OF Senator
Lor!mer's election.
Governor ,,Deneen mentioned the
name of Secretary MacVeagh when
ne was asked TO whom he had given
ms version of the famous telephone
Conversation between Edward Hines
and himself on the day Lor.mer was
elected. 1t was during this converse
ton. SO Hines testified, Deneen prom
ised 10 support Lorimer
This Governor Deneen denied.
Hines testified. he said. over the
telephone that he was on his, way to
Springfield TO bring Deneen mes
- -'.i - 1iiiCA <tii.lt ana HfeSi-
dent Taft about Lorirner's election.
Deneen testified Hines said the Presi-
dent was sending him message
through Aldrich. who would have
George Reynolds. president Of the Con-
unental National, deliver s..
Dcnccn Meets Mucyengh.
Governor Deneen to-day testified
that when he responded to Secretary
MacVeashs request to call at the Fed
eral building IN Chicago. Mr.. Mac
Veagh said he wanted to ascertain
for the President matters regarding
Senator Lorimers election. and thai
he. Deneen. tokingly replied: ASK. the
President; he was the man who was
said TO have sent the message that
did it"
Governor Deneen added that in re-
sronse to further inquiry from the
secretary. he related the converse
ton between himself and ZINES
The conversation only lasted ten
or fifteen minutes. for the secretary.
after had related my part in the
election, said that he was astonished
at the reports" added Governor De-
neen.
The afternoon session was practi-
cally devoted TO the Hines -Deneen
telephone conversation 1t is regarded
as having an important bearing on
the Lorimer claim that Deneen favored
Lorimcrs election.
do you think Mr.. Hines might have
mentioned Mr. Reynoldss name for
the purpose Of Identification? inquired
senator Fletcher. referring to Illness
testimony.
NO" was the reply. "Mr. Reynolds
could not have identified Mr.. Hines,
for did not know Mr. Reynolds very
we'll"
Governor Deneen declared that It
was not necessary for him to assist
then because the contest had been
Won by FORMER the night before.
Alignment of Factions.
The hearing to-day opened with n
discussion of the alignment OF the
factions in Illinois politics in con-
nection with the senatorial contest
Mr. Hanecy suggested that none of
the followers of Chauncey Dewey or
John r Thompson voted for Lorimer.
in the Governors Office. Mr. Deneed
replied that the purpose of that meet
ing was TO prevent their followers from
voting for Lorimer.
Governor Deneen said that before
the publication of the alleged White
confession. Editor Keely. of the Chi
cago Tribune. suggested to him that a
special session of the Legislature be
convoked to consider the Lorimer case
The witness said that probably after
the publication. he tentatively wrote
message proposing a special session
At a consultation with his advisers.
however, the conclusion was ached
that the investigating committee prob
ably would consist of the men who
were guilty. and the special session
was not called.
Governor Deneen told of being in
the office of the Tribune the night the
White story was printed. He said he
read probably the first copy printed,
and walked out with 1t hidden under
his vest He explained that he had
been warned that every one leaving
the building that night would be
searched.
Whites reference to the $4,000 loss
to the corruption Jackpot" because of
the Governor vetoing "one" bill was
taken up.
Probably "Corporrs ion Bill"
Governor Deneen said that he had
examined mis- vetoes and "gues sad''
White was referring to the Corpora
ton bill" revising the corporation
laws of the State. Governor Deneen
said he vetoed It because 1t allowed "a
barber shop to incorporate and buy a
railroad rhe witness said large
number of leading lawyers of the
State had seen him In behalf of the
bill.
Did Mr. Bancroft general counsel
of the International Harvester Com
pany see YOU about not vetoing the
bili7' asked Mr.. Hanecy.
ri do not recall whether he called
before or after the bill was passed"
The witness added that he did no.
know whether Bancroft favored the
feature OF the bill which was objec-
tional to Deneen.
When the committee resumes its
hearings Monday, the testimony will
be regarding the activities of. Edward
Hines. in the Lorlmer election.