The evening times., 1911-07-22
EDWARD HINES
STAR W|Il|ss!s S
AGAIN \ To6iii' /
Talked With President Of the
New York Central But Not
!: About Case
SENATOR PENROsE GAVE
H|ST0hY Of HIS INTEREST
Wanted the Senatorial Seat From Illi-
nois Filled So That Senators From
Other States Would Not Be Troubled
BY Illinois Constituents.

testified that he called on President
w. C. Brown Of the New York Cen
trail during the Lorimer fight in the
senate. Hines was asked IL he was
seeking to influence the vote Of SEN
ator Depew. He answered In the
negative. Hines did say that he spent
q month in Washington just preced-
ing the vote on the Lorimer case see
ing senators and using others to see
them and writing letters to some Of
his friends to "tell the facts to their
senator's"
Senator Penrose Of Pennsylvania
was called as q witness at the after
noon session yesterday. He testified
regarding many discussions with Mr..
Hines about the election Of senator
from Illinois. 3 5,.
Il felt" said he. "as think SEN
ator Aldrich did, that in the interest
Of good COVE nment, the senatorial
seat should be filed"
He said Hines at first suggested
that Frank o. Lowden was available
and later H. 8. Boutell, both then in
congress, and still later mentioned
Lorimer
Il probably urged Mr.. Hines as ..
citizen TO use his best efforts to bring
about some result, said Senator PEN:
rose. s, u 51$ sss.< <S,a. 81, iSSs
Were you for Lorimer =
after Mr.. Hines told me Lorimeri
seemed to be the only available man,
was for him, just as I was for Hop
kins at the start"
Senator Penrose said he probably
took Hines to Aldrich to introduce
him. On cross-examination Senator
Penrose said he had never dreamed
Of Lorimer for the senate until Hines
suggested that Lorimer was the man
upon whom union might be effected.
Then Senator Penrose declared he be-
came Lorimer man.
People were pouring in here from
Illinois, said Senator Penrose, ION
the tariff matters, and coming to us
on the nance committee. I was
praying daily for some senator to
turn them over to. OF course Senator
Cullom was here, but he was at work
with the finance committee and is an
old man. Hines regarded Lorimer as
his last resort, as got It, ~
Besides his story the days testi-
mony brought out that the office Of
the secretary Of state of New York
asked 81, 900 for certified copy Of
the contributors to the Republican
national campaign fund In 1908. The
rus Mccormick was among the con-
committee what he said was tele-
gram he received In regard to the
matter dated July 10. 1911, and read
aN0l 90 QuS~n "a
Sheldon'1 statement dled In this Of
doe Nov. 3s. 1908. ",
A letter mentioned several days ago
las having been written by William
Burgess Of Duluth, to H. n. Kohlsaat
Of Chicago, regarding the Iorimer
matter. was read. Among other
things Burgess said he understood
there was man in Duluth who was
in Hines oface when Hines received a
telegram from President Taft asking
him to "have the matter hushed up as
quickly % possible" Neither Bur-
gess nor Kohlsaat spoke about the In
cideEt when on the stand
Senator Penrose told Of meeting
Hines IN connection with the lumber
schedule IA the Payne-Aldrich tariff
bill.
= became Impressed early that he
was bright, active man. generally
familiar with conditions throughout
tho country" the senator explained:
The senator said he was bothered
with many Illinoisans on account Of
tho senatorial vacancy and that on
this account hs thought he invited
Hines activity. 55.5 s-.Ss s,sssssss
He admitted he made inquiries Of
Hines II Albert ]. Hopkins could be
Ire-elected, explaining that because Of
his acquaintance with Hopkins he
hoped to see him returned. When
Hines told him that It seemed Hop
kins could not be returned, the names
OF Frank O. L0wden and II. g., Rou-
tell, then IN congress, were discuss
ed at different interviews: ): and hnal-
" Hines, "as q last resort, = suggest
ed Mr.. Lorimer's name.
He declared he believed Hines n