New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1911-07-16
DENEEN NAMES MACVEAGH
Says Secretary Sent for Him to
Discuss Lorimer's Election.
ASKED ABOUT Mr.. TAFT
Wanted to Ascertain Matters
for President" 1t Was Three
Months After Election.


Washington. July B.-President Taft's
administration was brought into the Lori
mer election in a new way to day when
Governor Deneen testified that as early as
August. 1902 Secretary Macveayh sent for
him TO ascertain for the President mat
ters regarding the election OF Senator Lcri-
mer" This was about three months after
Mr.. Lorimer's election.
Governor Deneen mentioned tbs name OF
Secretary MacVeagh when he was asked 10
whom he had given his version Of the tele
phone conversation between Edward Hines
and himself on the day Loriiiter was elcct-
ed. II was in this conversation. Hines tes-
tilted, that Deneen promised to support
I,orimer. This Governor Deneen denied.
Hines testified that he had said over the
telephone that he was on his way 10
Springfield to bring Deneen a message from
Senator Aldrich and President Taft about
Lormer's election. Governor Denccn tcsti-
fed that Hines said the President was
sending him a message through Aldrich,
who would have George NJ. Reynolds. pres
ident Of the Continental National Bank, de-
liver IL.
Governor Deneen to-day testified that
when he responded to Secretary Mac
Veagh's request 10 call at the Fed ,ral
Building in Chicago Mr. MacYeagh said
he wanted to ascertain for the President
matters regarding Senator Lorimef'I cleo
ton" and that he Deneen) jokingly re-
piled:
Ask the President-he was the man who
is said to have sent the message that did
It,"
Governor Dencen added that In response
to further inquiries from the Secretary he
related the conversation between himself
and Hines.
"The conversation lasted only ten or If
teen minutes, for the Secretary, after 1
had related my part in the election, said
that he was astonishcd at the reports" the
Governor added.
The Hines Conversation.
The afternoon session was practically de-
voted to the Hines Deneen telephone con-
versatlon. 1t is regarded as having an
important bearing on the Lorimer claim
that Deneen favored Lorimers election.
do you think Mr.. Hines might have
mentioned Mr.. Reynodss name for pur-
poses OF Identification" inquired Senator
Fletcher, referring to Illness testimony.
mo" was the reply. Mr.. Reynolds
could not have identified Mr.. Hines, for
| did not know Mr.. Reynolds very we'll"
Governor Deenen declared that 1t was
not necessary for him to assist then. be-
cause the contest had been won by Lori
mer the night before.
Mr.. Hanecy read an article In THE CHI
cago Tribune" written by c. 8. Raymond.
from Springfield, on May q. In this refer
| ence was made to the report that Il tele-
| gram from President Taft confrmatory
Of the telephone message influenced Lori
mer's election.
Mr.. Raymond was not referring to Mr..
! Illness telephone conversation with me,
| for didn't tell any one about that" said
| Governor Deneen.
| Mr. Hanecy also read an article in the
same paper dated May q, written by John
| Callan OLoughlin, at Washington, saying
Il was reported that conservative Senator'S
had sent a well known business man 10
! Springfield in Lorlmer's interest
do you think he referred to Mr.. Hines
We'll, after being on the witness stand
for two and 4 half days I ought to be quail
| flied as a guesser, so l guess Mr.. Hines.
Mr.. Hanecy suggested that none OF the
| followers of Chauncey Deyew or John h
Thompson voted for Lorlmer until after a
conference held In the Governors ONCE.
Mr.. Deneen replied that the purpose OF
that meeting was to prevent their follow
ers from voting for Lorimer.
Decided Not to Call Special Session.
The Governor said that before the publ
n Ci
Keelv. of The Chicago Tribune" suggest
ed to him that a special session or the
| LEGISLATURE be convoked to consider the
I,orimer case. The witness said that PROB
ably after the publication. he tentatively
wrote a message proposing special ses-
sion. At a consultation with his advisers.
however, the decision was reached that
the investigating committee probably would
consist OF the men who were guilty, and
the special session was not called.
Governor Deneen told Of being in the
Office Of 1.-The Tribune" the night the
White story was printed He said he prop
ably read the first copy printed and walked
out with It hidden under his waistcoat.
He exclaimed that he had been warned that
every one leaving the building that night
would be searched.
Whites reference to the $4,000 loss TO
tho corruption Jackpot" because of the
Governor yetoirg zone" bill was taken up.
Governor Deneen said that he had exam
ined his vetoes and guessed White was
referring to the corporation bill revising
tho CORPORATION laws of the state He We
TODD II because It allowed "a barber shop
n incorporate and buy railroad A
large number of the leading lawyers OF the
state had seen him in behalf OF the BILL
"Did Mr.. Bancroft, general counsel for
tbe International Harvester Company, see
Won about not vetolng the bill? asked Mr..
Hanecy.
"r do not recall whether he called before
or af,er the bill was passed" the witness
said. adding that he did not know whether
Bancroft favored the feature of the blu
which was Objectionable to the Governor.
The Election of ShurtIeff
Reearding the election of Shurtleff as
sneaker in the Legislature which elected
I'oriroer. Mr.. Hanecy asked II Deneen had
not said in the presence of j. W. Ford, jr..
ond Renresentative d. d. Browneback that
ha "vo,,ld defeat Shurtleff il 1t Is neces-
gary 70 use all the patronage to do it,?
81 never did" replied the Governor He
added that Ford said In one conversation
,hat Deneen was using all the patronage
10 that purpose
Governor Deneen denied that ne had saio
TO Representative Charles Durfee when
Durfee announced to him that ne was go
ing 10 leave Hopkins for Lorimer that
Lorimer would be elected and that me
election was satisfactory to him.
II tried to prevent Durfee voting for Lor-
,r,er" said the Governor, "and suggested