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The weekly Iberian. (New Iberia, La.) 1894-1946, 1911-04-08

1t is expectedt that there will I've
no little presidential eIectiOneering
and maneuverlng in Washington
during theo present extra session.
J. is significant that the Bryan 10.
tuence has been considerably
strengthened IN both houses of
Congress, both by elimination and
addition since March 4th. Many
of his friends have been added to
both the House and the Senate.
while some who are opposed to him
are no longer III power in Washing.
ton. 1t is not thought that Mr..
Bryan expects to do more than in.
ttuence the nomination of a Demo.
cratic candidate. IL is thought
that he favors Wilson of New Jer-
sey. 1t is known that he does
not Harmon of Ohio Champ
Clark, the Democratic Speaker,
has been talked Of as u pr presidential
possibility, but he has talked 40
much himself and so Imprudently
in his long and mediocre political
caree; tla, it is doubtful if he will
be considered as an available can.
didate by those of the party with
whom judgment prevails. La
Toilette Of Wisconsin is much
talked Of as the probable Repub-
lican nominee for the presidency,
and the race now is supposed to
lie between him, Taft and ROOse-
Welt Senator LA Toilette ia con-
sricuous for hls criticism Of the
transfer of the army to the Mexl.
can border. He denOunces it az
and as an extrava-
giant waste Of public funds, but It
Is probable that the figures will
demonstrate that the army can be
as easily maintained along tba
Rio Grande as at the various sta.
tiOns from which it was entrained,
and surely the experience Of mObl-
and the exercise Of camp
life cannot do otherwise than I'M
prove the efficiency and esprlt-da-
co, ps Of a force doubtless enervat-
ed by long inactivity. There was
the same necessity for moving
the army that there was in the
last year of KooseveIps admins
tration TO send the navy to sea
and arounflhe world, and posi-
bly, other reasons that Senator la
Toilette and some others have not
vet found out.
The weekly Iberian. (New Iberia, La.) 1894-1946, 1911-04-08

awaiting events.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
FOGLER AND CLARKE
WIN SIX DAY BIKE RACE
Gain Lap on Entire lid by Early Morning
Sprint Which is Never Overcome-Lo ntest
Is Record. reaker in Many Respects

stoppco the sprint Then came ve-
contendinG that the spill occurred be-
fore they had been Tapped. Moran,
Drooach and Hill threa tened to quit
iheir protests were unheeded.
The plising part OF the sprint
was tho tact that Sprlntlng Cham
pion Frank Kramer was fret to BIO
aApped The short-distance king strug-
Iominy, but unavailingly. DISng the
lay Kramer complained to the man
cement of conspiracy by the other
't 10 IS. to keep him from recovering
very time he tried TO squirt he was
yroinptly pocketed. The last few hours
II tho race was an amending sprint,
Ior the riders. grouped behind the hrst
terms. Clarke and Fogier contented
themselves with holding the pace.
That this years bike race had been
was intimated by Pat Powers. II was
said that the total receipts were $780,
49, giving powers clean proht OF
VIII he Continued.
"Six-day racing Will positively be
continued next year." said Powers. Il
have just signed a nve-ysar contract
with the management OF the new arena
which Is to take the place of the Gar
den. alons with tho horse show. the
sporting events"
oBtSi anu SldTke were IN the best
condition OF any of the men all day.
and victory for them was generally
predicted. They seemed to have plenty
OF energy In reserve, and were alert
TO every advantage. They watched
their competitors every minute OF the
time, evidently fearing n conspiracy TO
force them behind the pack
LorenZ, OF the German team, had TO
leave the race with broken rib, and
Demara had to be carried from the
track late in the afternoon, as re-
suit Of collision with Saldow while
they were sprlnting after Freddie lIill
Rioting among the fans continued to
the last minute. Emboldened by their
victory yesterday over the private po-
lice force, and the admission of the
promoters that they could not be legal
ly etacted. the rougher element defcd
the Pinkertons and entered the Car
den by climbing Microscopes, sought
fights with the police. and battied
among themselves. Disputes between
foreigners rs to the relative abilities
OF their coTntrymen in the race were
the chief cause of trouble.
Gus Kramer, Of Chicago, who trains
cycle riders. incurred the displeasure
Of gang of roughs In the top gallery.
and somebody bounded pop bottle off
his head Kramer ran two miles
through the Garden with six ruffians
at his heels before he escaped through
the front entrance.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
Sam White, Princeton Hero
BY MONTY.


on. Eddie Poe, your good right toe
That struck the ball so true
And sent 1t sailing straight above
Inc goal posts of the Blue
Gave Princeton hard-earned victory
And thrilled us with delight.
You're a full-rledsed worshiped hero
what ABOUT Sam White2
oh, Arthur Poe. your deeds we know,
VIZ aGu're great Just like your brother;
the glorious news to mother
About POUR deed that beat old Yale
And saved our sorry plight
You're Inc idol of old Nassau
But what about Sam White?
"oh, Great Lamar, your shining star
Has giistened all these years,
Forever since you made your run
Thnt checked the Tigers tears.
We we'll recall the time you ran
With dizziness. speed and might
the fields length to the Bulldogs
Well. what about Sam White?
"oh, John Dewitt. thy name is writ
III letters large and bold
In Princeton's football Half OF Famo
Amongst both new and old
Your famous kick, your famous run
Endear You in orr sight:
You're the hero of a century
But what about Sam White?
oh, Sammy White, thou man OF might,
| saved you for the last;
You're greater than the other ones
Who triumphed in the past.
Each won famous victory
BY Princeton grit and fight,
But you won two as glorious
Oh. fast. strong. game Sam White.
'Oh. Sammy White. of six-foot height,
One hundred eighty pounds,
Thou man of speed in time of need,
Canst distance wolves and hounds
Greater than Harvard. greater than
Yale
Far greater In our sight
Your name comes first In football
fame
What's tho matter with Sammy
Winter"
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
NOTHING DOING
UNTIL new YEAR
Amateurs Call OFF All Meetings
in Order to Celebrate
Christmas.

With the Capital and Central Leagues
already formed, and with at least two
more leagues ready to be organized,
the affairs OF the amateur baseball
enthusiasts are looking up considerably.
Nothing more will be done now Until
after the holidays All meetings sched-
uied will be called or in order that
the time and attention Of the men may
be entirely devoted to preparing them
selves for Christmas.
Most OF the officials OF the leagues
nave learned with regret that the Blues
VIII DC unable to pace u team in the
held. The military organization at
1irst decided in favor oil becoming atiil-
lated with the second league organ
lied III Glass a, but II was subsequently,
found inpra cticablc, and they huve def
tniteiy determined not to have a nine.
Secretary Hooper has declared his
intention OF publishing weekly, in sun
days Times Dispatch. the names of all
players signed, released or registered
with the Amateur Commission This
VIII give the managers u chance to
learn the names OF the men at liberty.
The business affairs OF the league arc
In good shape, and the classification
or the several organizations will lend
a rivalry which could not have existed
under old conditions.
Nothing has been heard from Wash
ington and Baltimore as TO when the
meeting will lie held for the purpose
of adopting uniform rules bat 1t Is pre-
snmea that such q meeting will be held
shortly after the new year.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17

Madison Square Garden, New York,
december l6.-Joe togler. OF the Ma
tional Athletic Club. OF Brooklyn, and
JACKIE Clarke. of Melbourne, Austra-
liza, serving as a team throughout. won
tho annual international sunday bike
race, whlch came to close In Madison
Square Garden Tonight.
No heart throbbinS mile sprints 10
decide tne final positions OF the lead
ers was necessary for this combination
TO establish their supremacy over the
PICK Of the worlds best riders. for
they won with a lap to spare. They
mad sprinted twenty hours before the
termination OF the contest, at q time
when the balance Of the riders wers
gave the Clarke Fogler pair their in
surmountahle advantage OF a lap on
the entire field.
Inc race was record breaker In
traversed far from approached the
record. almost every other mark was
obliterated. For one. the attendance
record was shattered; the numoer OF
lar contest. anu the casualty list sur
passed that which graced any other
race in recall, Every rider had his
share of fails and Commissions. and a
mute testimony to their part in the
last, six day race in Madison Square
Garden.
Fogler and Clark, won the race by
l42 hours OF the contest. To the six
teams Immediately following ais
miles and laps were credited The
winners were eighteen miles and two
laps behind the record OF 1887 miles
and ! lap made by Mcfarland and Mo-
ran In 1905.
Constant Bickering.
Constant pickering ny the riders
characterized the final day. or since
Clarke and Fogler made their bold aud
successful bid for victory at 2 a. M.
Saturday. The manner In which the
advantage was Identical to that of two
Years ago. when Clarke. with Walter
Rutt as partner. stole lap on the
field. To-day, as then. Clarke chose
the Anal day for his furious DASH only
this time he encountered less opposi-
ton in tapping all the other riders.
Before the other riders could ga thor
enough. energy to give pursuit Clarke
had half lap lead. Fogler picked up
his flying partner perfectly and in
creased the advantage over the pack
TO three-quarters OF circuit Clarke
then completed the, entire round. II
took Clarke and Fogler, but half mile
to gain the winning margin. A spill
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
-FOUR FAVORITES
WIN AT COLUMBIA
Clearing Weather Draws Fair
Crowd to Witness Six
Selling Events.

Columbia, S. c., December 10
Clearing wealth drew fair sized
crowd TO the Fair Grounds to-day 10
witness six selling events. The track
was heavy. Four favorites won. sum
narles:
First race-sSOo. three-year-olus ala
UP, sin furlongs. selling-Hibcrnica Is
10 /, to j. to y first, DR.. Burcn
go 10 /. 10 to 1, to - second. Wood
lander q to /, I to TO- to 81 third.
Time. lii i-5.
Second race-s2oo, two year oldg. six
fuiiongs, selling-Silas Grump e to 4,
to and ouD first Queen Bee 6 10
:, to and ouU second, Jnwbone (l3
10 5. even. = to 81 third. Time. 1919.
Third race-S200. six furlongs, three
year-olds and up. selling-Joe Rose
GO TO D, to ., to ~ hrst, Flarney
ESQ TO !. to !. 8 TO - second, Sir
Edward tls to 6. to 8, to 1o) third.
Time. is rs.
Fourth race--iaoo, three-year- olds
tnd up. one mile, sclling-Haldeinan Is
10 .. to and ouO hrst. Semiquaver
tS to !, even and to p second, Otilo
% 10 l, TO !. to 81 third. Time,
1916 AS.
Fifth race-s2oo. three -year-olds ana
up. Ave furlongs, selling-We stern
Belle G TO 5. TO ,. OUT first, Sea Swell
@ 10 /. to l. to 81 second. Sabo
Blend Is TO i. TO 8. 7 to 10Y third.
Time. 1905.
Sixth race--S250. three-yc olds and
IN, FIVE and half furlonga. selling
Lasie Bird & to 10. ouD nrst, Love
Watches Is to s. to g. out second,
West Point GO to !. 10 to !, ) to -
third. Time. 1905.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
IN Vim C|BLES
PROVE v|CTORS
Win Majority of Games During
Season and Against Strong
Opponents.

One hundred and sixty-ono to ave Is the
total score OF the seasons football games
played By the fast lnvincible team This
last aggregation, without the aid OF a
coach. proved true TO its name. and wss in
Sncib!e IN all tho games played
While it's average weight was only I35
pounds. II detea led strong teams. conn posed
Of cx-collegians, soma OF which averaged
as much leo pounds.
This ali-star eleven played nine games
and won Ave. the othe. four having been
played TO ties.
Following was the lineup: Hill and Ware.
left end: Hancock. left tackle; Klevesahi
and Elicit. ieit guard: Garrett. centre;
Ruskeii. right end; Woody right tackle;
Williams and Miller. right guard; Gray,
quarterback; Smith, left half: Word, full
back; Montgomery tnnptain) and Brumble.
right half.
The scores for the season follows: Peters
ourG High School O. Invincibies o; Chester
iiigh School 0, InrinciLics. 10; Imperials o,
lnvincibles 20; Third Street team O. Irwin
cibles %: A!i-stars 0, invlncihies co: Nc
CURES 3 1nrincibles o; Monroes 0. Invinci.
bes 0: Barton Heights o. Invlncibles o: lar
;or Heights o. Iny!ncbles TO-
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
B A NQUET GIVEN
TO LETTER MEN
Medical College Football and
Baseball Men Dined at Com
monwealth Club.

banquet was rendered the baseball
and football teams and officers OF the
athletic association OF the Medical Col
iege OF Virginia by the faculty Friduy
nlsht ut the Commonwealth Club. The
decorations were green and white. the
college colors.
The future of athletics was discussed
In detail, and 1t was decided 10 arrange
the evening class hours so that teams
would be able to get as mucn as three
full evenings OF practice a week II
was also decided TO establish Gymna.
sum in the basement or the college,
where the men would be able to dress
tor practice. II was also decided 70
put out en- annual at the college this
year. This VIII be the nrat OF It's kind
that has ever been published at the
Medical College Of Virginia. and a great
deal OF interest Ia being shown among
the students and faculty.
The toastmaster OF the evening was
DR.. Clifton Miller. The faculty was
represented by Professors Hazen, Reit,
Miller, BaughInan. Call and Roboins.
The adjunct faculty was represented by
Drs VICES, tlagan. Talley, Rucker and
wood. A good many more Intended
coming, but at the last moment found
1t impossible.
The football team was represented by
Schenk, Hardy. Elon. Elon. Lee. Long.
Lee, Ross, Goldman. Davis. Dennit,
Jones. arnold, Cofer. Robioe. Foster
and Stryker. The baseball team WAS
represented by Lewis. Clark, Ayers.
LUX. Johns. Dudley and Young. The
athletic association was represented by
the following: DR.. Housen, president;
Spring, secretary and treasurer: Man
ager Barber, OF the baseball team, ana
Managers Elect Miller, Hurdle and
Mitahell 400
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
VISITING TEAM
FAILS To RALLY
William and Mary overwhelm-
ingly Defeats Fredericks-
burg Quint.
Especial to The Times-Dlspatch. ]

tSpecia! to The Times DIspatch.1
Williamsburg, Va, December 10
The William and Mary basketball
team in Its initial contest OF the sea-
son defeated Fredericksburg College
here last evening by the overwhelm-
Ing score of 90 to S. The visitors
were hopelessly outclassed at the start
OF the game. and could not rally. The
locals. while showing lack of form.
put up fast game throughout Coach
Young cent in subs during the last
part Of the game. which did not ma
terially affect the progress Of the
team. Metcalf. Hall and Geddy, all
last seasons stars. played q superb
game for William and Mary. Cheney
and Somerville did good work for
fredericksburg. The lineup;
w. Al Position. F. G.
Mctcalf. 1880. centre .Timberlako
Gladly. right forward ;. Cheney
wilson,. left forward Williams
(Schei)
Hail....... right guard ~. Freeman
Turner. left guard .somerviIle
(Hubbard)
Referee. Mr.. Goodwin. OF william
and Mary. Time Of halves. is min
utes. Goals-Metcalf CO... G.eddy go,
Hall t6). Wilson t4). Cheney (s).
Fouls---Metcalf ca. Cheney.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
GERMANY NOT ALARMED
Pays But Little Attention to Threat Of
Tariff HOntiIftica


Berlin, December l6.-The German
government sees no occasion to con-
Germ itself with the threat of tariff
hostilities between Germany and tho
United States contained in tho letter
written 10y Secretary Knox to Repre-
sentative Oscar w. Underwood. chair
man OF the Ways and Means Commit
tee OF the House of Representatives.. in
WHICH the Secretary suggests that the
tariff act should be amended 90 as to
provide additional duties or to pro-
hibit importations Of food from any
nation which places restrictions OF
the entry of American goods. The au-
gresa.
The government has received moth
Ing In the way OF preparation for &C
ton e.ther through the embassy here
or through Count Won Bernstorff. the
German ambassador az Washington.
A report. however. has been asked for
from the German Ambassador.
Public opinion is very little con-
cerncd about tho matter, particularly
In view OF Representative Underwood's
declarations in tho House of Represent
tatives. taking nm unfnvorable view
or MT. knoX's proposal What add
oonai comment appears In the news
papers takes an unfavorable. vexcd
TOM. '
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
VIRGINIA QU|NT
WINS FIRST GAME
Defeats Jefferson School in Clean
Contest by Score of
IS to 3.
Especial to The Times-Dlspntch.l


Charlottesville, Va, December 10
The local basketball season was open
ed tonight when the Virginia team
defeated the Jefferson School quint.
of this city. IS to 8, In thirty min
utes OF play.
The coliegians started Off with a
rush, Gill tossing the first goal in the
first few seconds of play. Afterwards
sne toss UP had hardly settled in the
hands of w. Rixey than II was switch
ed to a waiting man under the net for
many a point The score at the end
of the first period stood 90 to S, Sim
clair having landed a goal for the
school boys, and Moomaw having
tossed goal from foul.
The Jefferson players showed mark
ed Improvement on the defensive In
the second half, but were unable to
score during the period. Indeed. thoy
had few chances to land a goal, sc
proficient was the work of Christian
and Neff. Virginia added fifteen points
to it's total.
For,Eirginia the best work was done
by Dppa RiNey, the star twirler of
the orsebaIl team. Gill and Kearnes.
each tossing four goals. Little spec
was clean throughout. there being an
utter absence of rough work.
Boykin and Sinclair put UP a steady
game ,r Jefferson. The former held
his opponent to one goal.
Virginia opened It's collegiate
Echedui, on January s, with Emory
and Henry College. To-day's lineup:
virginia. Position. Jefferson
Gill -. Forward. ..... Sinclair
Us earnest (Gooch)
L. RiNey Forward Rollip,
(Betts) tMoomaw)
w. RiXey Centre. Roykin
(James)
Churchman ....Guard. -. Flanagan
Men ......... Guard. ..... waddell
Goals from fleld-E. Rixey. 6; Gill, 4.
kearnes. 4: Belts. w. Rixey, NeT,
churchman. Sinclair. Goals from
foul-Kearnes, MGomaw. Time Of
halves. fifteen minutes. Referee-"Pop'
Lanni gan Umpire. Spratt Boston
Nationals.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
FurunITY MAY NE CHANGED.
May Become Two In Three Instead of
Three in Five Heuts.

Lexington, KY. December le-It
was semi officially announced here to-
day that the Kentucky Horse Breeiers'
association has decided to change the
Kentucky futurity, for three-year- old
trotters. from three In five heat race
70 two in three heat evant. Tho
Kentucky futurlty Is worth $4,000 to
the winner. and Is the richest stake
on the American trotting turf.
1t Is thought the rule will bring out
more horses to compete in the futurjty
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
A.herille Wins Again.

Aaheville. N. C.. December l6.-The
second game of basketball OF a sariet
OF five games for the State champion
ship between the local Y. M. c. A.
team and Charlotte here tonight was
Won by Asheville by q score OF 81 te
Is. This gives Asheviile two games
to mono won by Charlotte. The mex,
two will be played In Charlotte.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
ORDER OF OWLS
Woman's Branch Organized at Largely-At.
tended Meeting.

At tho second meeting since Its organiza-
ton. held In the auditorium of Nurphy's
Hotel. the newly inItitutcd woman's branch
OF the order of Owls elected these women
to serve as a board of trustees: Mrs. J. w.
Jewell. Mrs. Celia Kass And Mrs. J, II. Al
lenD DR.. G. A. Arhnrdt was elected medical
examiner. Among the exercises of the even
Ing was the Installation of tho officers.
elected at tho initial meeting, which was
held December c
Under the head OF general business the
president appointed u committee to take up
the matter OF securing OF permanent
lodge room. This action wac made neces-
sary because of the rapid growth OF the or
BsnIzntton, and the general opinion OF its
members that the womans branch of the
Order OF Owls will soon have membership
exceeding that OF any woman's organization
In the city. Monday night was nIed upon
as the date OF the next meeting. at which
time the charter list Will be closed.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
GInnnotti-KelIy.

Joseph Giaunotti. of Phoebus. and Mas
Alice Cox Kelly. daughter OF Mr. and Mrs..
Edward w. Kelly, werc married yesterday
at the Sacred Heart Cathedral. Though
simple. the ceremony was an attractive one.
The bride wore blue travelling gown and
carried boquet OF Brides roses.
Following n Northern tour Mr.. and Mrs
Giannoti will return 10 Phoebus. where
they will make their home
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
woLoAsr LEAVES HOSPITAL.

Los Angeles, Cal. December 1s-Aner two
weeks in the Clara Barton Hospital. Ad
Wolgast. tho worlds lightweight champion
left the Institute this afternoon and wss
taken In an automobile to his seaside cot
tag" Venice. Wolgast Is almost fully hr-
covered from tho operation for appendicitis
He will recuperate ut the seaahore. after
which he plans TO visit the East and try
himsel. out In four and slx-round bouts. Ho
expects to be nShtlng for the championship
again before July 1.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
'resent Standing

The indoor baseball game Saturday
afternoon between the Consolidn ted
Society of Bank Clerks and the Anal
gamated Order of Insurance Scribcs
was hummer. The game was sched-
uled to go seven Innings. but as the
score stood to 8. It wns decld ed to
play an extra inning. Each team Sc
cured a run. making It tie again An
other inning failed to change the score,
and as there remained no more tins,
II was left tie at 10 to 10. Sum
mary:
Insurers 2ooo4ai1o-1o 7
Bankers Soo140 do s
surers' l6; by walthall, for the Bank
On Friday night OF this week. al
$3.50 o'clock, tho Athletics and Giants,
captained by DR.. r. A. Nichols and
Nee. Thornton. will play a series Of
three games OF yolleyball. The public
Is invited.
Or. A. W. Freeman delivered a high
~ instructive lecture on the subject of
Sex Hygiene before the members Of
the young mems gymnasium class last
night.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
LeaRue Standing.

In the Business Mems Volleyball
League, the teams are sticking pretty
close together. In this. as in all other
leagues promoted by the association.
part simply for the fun OF playing
The fact is they could not compete
with more vim even IL valuable tro-
pAy were offered
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
Final Score, 10 P. M.

FoSler and Clarke, 2,71S-0.
Kramer and Moran, 2,7lS-S.
Hnistchd and Drobneh, 2,TIS-S.
rye and Collins, 2,71s-S.
Cameron nnd MaEin, 2,71S-S.
De Mara md Lawrence, 2,7ISS.
lorenz and Snidow. 2,7IS-S.
Hill md J. Bcdell, 2,7iS-7.
l.. GeorEet ind BrUcco, Riffs.
L"pize and Van Houwnert, c,71.
u.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17
7. NJ. c. A. Athletics

This week will SEQ the closing of the
moor 30 Seoall League. which will be
succe sded in January by new league.
Al present the Senator'S are in the
lead, but this weeks games may SO
change the standing as to make extra
championship.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17

sydney. ". S. W.. December B,-"cyc,ors.
Johnny Thompson. the American middle.
weight boxer. was defeated on poin,s her,
to-day In a twenty-round fight BY a midi.
weight named Rice.
The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-17

as follows. beginning at S:45 o'clock.
VIZ: Royals versus Spartans; Comets
versus Crescents: Trojans versus stars.