The Birmingham age-herald., 1911-12-09
SCOPE OF INQUIRY
 NOT YET DEFINED The McNamaras Remain in
 Their Cells REFUSE TO TESTIFY
Whether Indianapolis or Los Angeles Will Be Center of Federal Inves- tigati0n Not Decided-H0w
 Defense Money Was Used

Los Angeles, December S.-The scope of the investigation undertaken by the federal grand jury here and the one III Indianapolis, Ind, so far as could be learned tonight has not been sharply de- fined. Government officials, 1t is thought, will be able to determine only after tes- timony of witnesses has proceeded fur ther whether to return indictments here or in Indiana against those persons al- legged to have been implicated in a con- spiracy unawfully to transport explo- sives from one state to another.
 James B. and John J. McNamara re- mained in their cells today, reiterating that they would tell nothing even if called before the grand jury. oscar Lawler, the governments special prosecu- tor. saw them, but obtained little satis- faction. It was suggested that perhaps after the McNamaras had taste of prison life and were visited by labor leaders who are anxious to cleanse or7 sanized labor of alleged charges uf law Iessness and who might persuade them to aid the ends of justice, they might be prevailed upon to give the desired in- formation.
 Ortie E. McManigal. confessed dyna- hitter, continued to tell the grand jury his experience and he was followed by J. w. Kaiser of Muncie, Ind, nitro- glycerine manufacturer, who says he sold explosives to J. B. and J. J, Mcnamara as well as to Ortie McManiSal. The lat ter corroborated kaiser'S story. Though the proceedings of the grand jury are a11 flanf [nic who interviewed J. J. McNamara in the court recently, told of the persons to whom he sold explosives.
 Though it is believed that the govern- ment had not reached decision as to the course the investigation here and its parallel in Indianapolis will take, 1t is d fact that most of the evidence in the ai- legged conspiracy is in the office of the district attorney of Los Angeles county. Numerous witnesses now here are ex- pected to testify to important points III the chain of circumstances showing that J. B. McNamara and Ortie McManigal brought high explosives to California.
 The federal penal code states that whc- ever violates or causes to be violated sections relating to the unlawful trans- portation of nitroglycerine or other high explosives on any interstate carrier IS liable to a fine of not more than $2C00 or imprisonment TOT lS IOHtilS UT Doli. Noh- spracv to violate federal laws is punish able by fine of not less than s10,000 or imprisonment of not more than two years or both These two charges are consid- cred to be possible ones tor indictment both here and in Indianapolis.
 Whether Indianapolis or Los Angeles will be made the center of the in- ouiry has not been decided upon. It is believed that the men who con t, Io,, I MnM MD Dt,la a.l traf fty- port explosives leading to the Times disaster and persons who directed Ortie McManigal to carry bombs here to de- stroy the Llewellyn Iron works, will be investigated here, while Indianapolis authorities will be concerned with the Investigation into the alleged conspir- acy to transport dynamite to other states where explosions are reported to have occurred in the last three years
 The state practically was turned over to the federal authorities all the in formation in it's possession including all it knows of J. B. McNamara's con necton with explosions in Oakland, Cal. and Seattle.
 By tracing the signature of J. B. Bryce, admittedly the alias of J. B. McNamara, on hotel registers at other points simultaneously with the occur- renee of other dynamite explosions, it is believed that attempt will be made to show that labor leaders on the coast with whom ]. B. McNamara as- sociated were involved in the conspir- 6cy to transport explosives unlawfully.
 In connection with the possible re- .urning of indictments here or at Ic- danapols on the conspiracy charg ss, it is pointed out that rules of law have made it possible to indict persons wlio formed conspiracy either at the point of origin or at the point where the conspiracy was consumnated It is ad- mitted that the government can con .olidate either at Los Angeles or at Indianapolis but 1t is predicted that u division of the task will ensue and the investigation here will be directed to- ward coast leaders and probe in ln- dianapolis toward eastern officials.
 The evidence gathered by the dis trict attorney to show that the Times building was destroyed feoneously amounts almost to mathematical de1n- onstration.
 Deputy District Attorneys George Veitch and J. A. Hill caused to be built a small stone structure modelled close Jy after the Times building
 By mathematical calculations on re- duced quantities of explosives an aN- plosion was accomplished which, when photographed, resembled almost iden- tically photographs of the ruins of the Times building.
 This evidence the state had intended to bring to court but the federal au-
 
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