Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1911-07-18
Characterization of Baker
Before Lorimer Committee.
REPEATS HINES WORDS
Supports Lumberman's Version of
Disputed Conversations.
RAME TELLS OF BOAST
Corroborates Hettler's Report of Re-
mark by Hines on Day of
Lorimer's Election.

A grueling cross-examination was
| given today at the Senate-Lorimer
committee hearing to Isaac Baker of
Chicago, a buyer for the Edward
Hines Lumber Company. when. in his
Testimony, he repeated almost verbatim
Edward Hines version OF two dis
puted conversations, which have been
used to connect Hines with Senator
| Lorimer's election. The witness de-
clared it was not unusual for him to
repeat precisely Hines words although
| he had never read Hines testimony
nor heard Hines give an account of
| the conversations which took place
more than two years ago.
| Donald NJ. Frame, q cigar stand en-
ploye at the Union League Club. testified
| he had heard Hines remark on the day
Lorimer was chosen for the Senate that
| he had elected the senator. 1t was near
| this stand that Herman II. Hettler claim
| ed Hines remarked to him on the day
Lorl.ner was elected that "Lorirner has
! been elected-I elected him; I did 1T my
self personally"
| Today Frame swore that he could not
| recall the exact words. but that "Mr.
| Hines said I have elected LoriIner our
next senator
Frame was cross-examined about his
conversations with Hettler regarding
Hines remarks He said he had been
asked by Hettler If he remembered the
peculiar remark" Hines made on the day
of Lorimers election, but neither had re-
ness said he and Hettler had frequently
"joked about Hines remark.
Baker Corroborates Hines.
Isaac Baker. lumber buyer for the Ed
ward Hines Lumber Company, was the
next witness. He testified that he made
the trip from Washington to Chicago with
Hines, ending May %. the day Lorimer
was elected. He said he had been pres
ent in Writ H. Cooks room at the Grand
Pacific Hotel when Hines had lone-dis-
lance telephone talk to Springfield about
Lorner's election that day.
Cook testified that Hines said he would
be down on the next train, prepared to
furnish all the money needed. Hines de-
MED this remark. So did Baker today.
The witness repeated almost verbatim
er was also at the Union League club. he
said, the day Clarence s. Funk. general
manager of the International Harvester
Company, asked Hines, according to
Hines. for the privilege of contributing to
Lorimer's campaign fund Funk declared
Hines had asked him to contribute $1O.-
GOO toward hundred-thousand-doll
election fund.
Today Baker gave an account Of the
meeting OF Hines and Funk, Just as Hines
had done. even describing how Funk took
| hold of Hines left arm near the elbow
| and walked away in conversation.
The part OF the conversation which
Hines said took place near Baker was
I Tod hry% yrytf %DlI
to the committee. He was sure Funk
had asked to be introduced TO Lorimer
as Hines testified, but which Funk de-
MED.
Why He Recalled Conversation.
On cross-examination Baker said he
first recalled the telephone conversation
in Cooks room. after the publication of
the so-called White confession, April so,
1910.
What made you recall it them" asked
Senator Kern.
Cook was getting off the string and
making threats about what he would do
to Mr.. Hines.
The witness insisted that there was
nothing unusual about the conversation
that would make him remember 1t.
White didn't mention the converse
ton. did he?"
NO, OUT lie OF ttle papers were ldthlhS
about lumberman with black bag TAX
ing money to Springfield.
The witness said he never repeated the
conversation until after the Helm COM
nittee investigation at Springfield last
spring.
Hadn't Read Hines Testimony.
Baker said he had neither read Hines
testimony about the conversations nor
~v;,, Of ham
Don't you regard 1t as remarkable
then. for you TO make precisely the same
report of those conversations that Hines
does?' inquired Senator Kern.
mo, sir, do not.
| Baker said 1t was not until he had made
| extended inquiry that he was able to re-
call that Hall and Carney were present
when Funk approached Hines at the
Union League Club.
do you want this committee TO under
stand asked Senator Kern. that you
| did not recall Hall and Carney were
| there, and had to search around the coun-
| try to find out, and yet you have a dis
tinct recollection OF the part of Hines
arm that Funk touched as they walked
away and every word that was said"
| Yes. sir. 1t seemed so at variance
| what Mr.. Funk testified to at Springfield
and what he said that day about being
| pleased over Lorimer's election-that ]
| remembered what was SAID.
Hettler Says Hines Boosted.
Claims OF Edward Hines. the millionaire
tlumberman Of Chicago. that he had
brought about the election of William
Lorimer as senator were testified to be-
fore the committee at yesterday after
Moons session by Herman II. Hettler,
president OF the Hettler Lumber Com
pany of Chicago. a rival of the Hines
company
| HettIer, who admitted there had been
i'll feeling between Hines and himself, de-
clared that he met Hines at the Union
League Club in Chicago. After asking
Hettler If he knew the name of the new
senator. Lorimer, Hettler testified, Hines;
added:
Il elected him; did IT myself person
ally
1T was the formation of his sentence
which caused 1t to be impressed on my
memory. because I considered 1t quite
legotistical." Mr.. Hettler said.
Henry furnish. business associate of
Writ II. Cook. in his testimony yester-
day afternoon did not bear out Cook S
Testimony that Hines said to them that
old Stephenson (Mr. Cook testified that
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