New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1911-08-10
Debate in House of Peers Ad-
jOurned Till To-day, with Halls
buryites Shouting Victory.
THINK THEY ARE 100 STRONG
Defeat of Veto Measure and Gre.
alton Of 400 Barons After
Temporary Prorogation
Seem Imminent.
By Gable TO Tho Tribune


while not carried to decisive division
tonight. was worthy of the supreme
gravity Of the constitutional crisis. The
speeches were short. temperate and
candid, and the dignity Of the debate
was not sacrificed even by the fervid
fire eaters. of which Lord Willoughby de
Broke may be mentioned as a type.
II was the largest muster Of pee-s
since the rejection Of the Home Rule bill
in 1893 and Viscount Morle- was sup
ported by the largest force Of Radical
peers gathered in the memory of the
oldest man present. A throng Of eager
members Of the House Of Commons in
their capacity of privy council ,rs
crowded the steps around the throne
Peeresses in lightest summer costumes
vigorously famed themselves in n vain
attempt 10 dissipste the overpowering
heat.
The debate was opened by Lord Nor
ley, who moved the consideration os the
amendments OF the House OF Commons
and repeated the governments reasons
for disagreeing with the Lords amend
ments. He said that the Lansdowne
amendment providing for the submission
10 a referendum Of any grave issue be-
fore IL received royal assent had raised
an inseparabe barricade 70 an agree
ment between the government and the
Unionist majority in the upper house.
Lansdowne Cold and Precise.
The Marquis of Lansdowne was cold
and precise in explaining the attitude of
the majority of the Unionist peers in
abstaining from forcing a division when
they were convinced that the battle was
lost and that further resistance not only
would be helpful 10 the enemy but detri-
mental TO the public interest
He perfunctorily complained that there
was not the slightest prospect of the
Unionist views obtaining an lota OF con-
sideration. that his party had been voted
down by the exercise OF prerogative
that there was no room for a compro-
mise suggestion and that an appeal 10
the country had been secuted by the
government.
When the Cnionists returned TO Office
the Opposition leader added, they could
address themselves 10 the question Of
constitutional reform. and It would be
awkward 10 find themselves confronted
in the House Of Lords by an obstinate
Radical majority. In order 10 avert the
creation OF barons he and his followers
would abstain from further Intervention.
They washed their hands of all respon-
sbility for the bill.
Lord Lansdowne pleaded with the
Unionists 10 unite, saying that the pres
ent debate was only the beginning Of a
struggle which might last for years and
which would need united party.
Halsbury lnpassioned and Eloquent.
The Earl Of Halsbury was impassioned
and eloquent in declaring that ii was a
matter Of conscience to fight and vote
against wrongdoing as long as possible
He svore feaity 70 Lord Lansdowne. but
in the same breath protested against
the leaders suggestion that the Union
list peers should bury the issue when
they saw wrong being done. When the
veteran leader had spoken II was evil
dent that the "die-hards" would stand
fast and follow him TO the end.
The Archbishop of York was the first
waverer on the Unionist side who vol
unteered TO vote for the government for
the sake OF preventing a creation u
peers. and It was evident that his ex-
ample would be followed by the Bishop
of Winchester Several other prelates
and the main body Of Lord Lansdowne's
followers heard him with impatience,
and made It clear that the government
could expect no active assistance from
them. Lord Lansdowne would have lost
control Of the situation If he had shown
the slightest sympathy for the temporiz
ing Archbishop.
The Duke 81 Marlborough, the Duke
Of Bedford. the Marquis Of Salisbury
and other fighting peers reinforced Lord
Halsbury with defiant challenges for the
creation Of puppet barons, and there
were not many effective replies.
Lord Salisbury asked Lord Morley II
the King had given assurances 10 the
government that he would create as
many peers as the Cabinet desired
without reference to the number re
ouired 70 pass the veto bill. Lord Nor
lev declined 10 answer such very
rash Juvenile question Lord Salisbury
then said that the creating Of new peers
was a game both sides could play
ST. Aldwyn Will Not Vote.
Viscount l. AldWyn said the Union
ist party had been asked by Lord Halls
bury 70 give such vote as virtually
would compel the sovereign to create
any number OF peers. He declared be
would never give vote which would
place the King in such a cruel position
He also denied he had tried 10 form a
faction Of Unionist peers TO vote for the
bill.
Before the end Of the evening there
were signs Of depression on the Minis
teriaI side. Notwithstanding the large
muster e Radical peers and the ex-
hllarating effects OF "A dinner at the Ma
tional Liberal club. The most san
euine estimators could not give them
more than eighty votes, while the Stall
warts were boasting in a high key that
there would be at least one hundred op-
ponents OF any compromise.
When the House adjourned at mid
night the result Of the next days di-
,ision wa. conslderel doubtful both hN