The evening world., 1911-12-07

III mlnneu, nOnest DuGinesS man. l
have never been able to ma any
evidence which would show that John
Mitchell has been connected with
violence or c~ountenanced II. When he
was told that the McNsmaras were
arrested he simply said. 4 hope they are
Innocent There are many other leaders
In the labor world who are equally
honest and upright.
81 believe all the labor leaders
should he blamed for not instituting An
Investigation which would have shown.
Ind they sought the Information. the
truth Of the charges we made against
the McNamsras.
ORGANIZED LABOR 10 HERE TO
STAY.
Nevertheless organised labor and ths
unions are here to stay. They have done
n great deal OF good. but unless the
conservative element gets rid Of the bia-
tant, dishonest leaders they cannot hope
10 get the respect Of the whole nation"
Burns was asked about the scope Of
the Federal investigation.
This II chiefly into the transporting
OF the dynamite around the country"
said MIR. Burns. why. do you boys
know. Jim Mcnamara and McManigal
and their crowd carried big cans Of
nitro-glycerlne In railroad trains which
might have exploded and blown hun
dreds Of people 10 their death? Then the
Government IL looking into tho
ton Of other men h furnished the
funds used by the dynamiters."
Here one OF the reporters asked II
Congressman Frank Buchanan OF Chi
caso, who preceded Frank Ryan ~ In.
ternationai President OF the iron Work.
ers, had knowledge of the dynamiting.
Mr.. Burns said: mo man with q grain
| Of common sense In his position could
have helped but know OF the dynamitinE
going on"
Mr.. Burns wal asked what he meant
In recent interviews by q nation Wide
series Of crimes" for which the iron
workers were responsible.
ENTERTAINMENT COMMITTEES
COMMIT VIOLENCE.
local iron workers hav 'wrscking
crews and entertainment committee
These inner circles commit the vo-
lence, which II not necessarily dynamite
ing. But there are many Of these men
who believe In dynamite and use II In
their fights. and some Of than In other
organisations than the iron workers."
Mr.. Burns wal asked II the Mona
maras had given any material evidences
limp1CAtlnR Otn01U IN iBUOT cECi0.
Mo- he replied. and further. I don't
think they will ever get anything out
Of the McNamaras along that line. This
II my opinion"
Concerning the w~hereabout Of Schmidt
ana Kaplan, the missing associates Of
MoManigai ana Jim McNamara. the de.
tectiye said: Those contested with the
Mcnamara defense fund have control
right at this moment of Schmidt and
can produce him. ! believe the came u
true Of Kaplan."
From his long experience In Cell
lfornia, where he worked up ~ cases
Iasninet capitalists In the San franr1occ
craft proceedings, BufnS was sked Il
state hs opinion Of the possibility d
the MoNa mara brothsrs heing pardonsd
by a future labor oympaohislng o
ernor. He said:
,h,rs Jim McNsmAra 10 not . nj mar
ever 10 be at large II lot 80 twent,
yesrs from now under ! pardon. I an
curs he would 90 back TO dynamiuns.'
oANgs ooMPeRs TO SWEAR III
i DIDN'T KNOW.
The question Of 0ompers was agal,
brought up and Mr.. Burns made thi
challenge:
VII tnat ~ uu uVt n"v" ~
maras were guilty before they con
fessed."
"Win you make an afidavit that h
did, asked one of the Newspaper men
II can make an affidavit that I hav,
rood evidence to show he knew" re
piled Mr.. Burns. why not 30 asl
him to tell why L%eglishtner Of Pitts
burxh and Clancy of California wsr
kicked out Of the Structural fronwork
srs' organisationr"
Did these men furnish you or you
operative with any Information con
cerning the dynamiting Of the Los An
xeles Times Building" was asked.
Mr.. Burns laughed and sid: The
were suspected of furnishing me wit
Information. LeElightner was fired uI
on the serious charge that his locs
union was behind In dues. As IA
Clancy. he was dropped because he wa
III, or supposed 20 be. lie 10 now In
hospital and claims to be suffering frol
heart disease.
"It was to Clancy tn MoManiGs
was commissioned to deliver the mel
I sage from J. ], Mcnamara. Here
your Christmas present as promised
This was 10 ave been the blowing u
, OF the Los Angeles Times Auxiliar
plant and tho Baker Iron works. Bu
good fortune interviewed and the 10
was never pulled on. nave fnforma
tion that Clancy was to be told 10 d
- liver this message to o. A. Tveitmo'
who 10 now here in New York city. q
u see him. Tveltmoe II treasurer Of tn
n state Labor organisation In California.
MANY rElEoRAMs OF Col
= GRADUATION.
Mr.. Burns displayed thirty or for
more kilograms Of congratulation fro
all over tho country. which had await
v his arrival. One was from Fred
Baker. whose iron works were to ha'
sr been included In the Christmas Gft
= the labor organizations OF California, q
cording to Mr.. Burns.
4 After the newspaper men LETT q
room Mr.. Burns called them back
read them a telegram from r. W Bur
ham OF Los Angeles. which. after CO
" graduating him, sale;
"Darrow and 9ompers have disco
NJ cred that Los Angeles Is not In Idaho
Mr.. Burns explained that Burnha
To- and Baker had come TO his financial q
~ slstance In following the McNama
." trail when Gen. Otis OF the Los A
geies Times had tied up the funds vot
he through the fundamentally OF Ma,
Alexander OF Los Angeles. Burns "a