Omaha daily bee. (Omaha [Neb.]) 187?-1922, 1911-12-10
NEBRASKA AND IOWA LOSE
Both Teams of This State Defeated
in Debating League ~.
GOPHERs SMOOTH At pHFEvERyl
Minnesota Trims CSrnllnsEyt lEalk-
ers In rhis styIc---lliiasts petePts
Iowa aud Aiso Defeats
wisconsin DebaterS.

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MINNEAPOLIS MIN. Dec 9.-(specidtl
Telegram.)-By emopther delivery the
Minnesota DEBATING tsare argelng forg q
policy fshipping sdbs dies, lrst ~ siaf fget'
two to one dct, ion onEthe', .S,eBre ~
team, composed q chfforp T.. HELIX "a
q Loup City, IIae9Ias,Ss prlnec, 81 Of
Grand Island, ana Fs-Io.in HarBrave, II,
Of wymore. The iGdgeseere three mem
bers Of the Unveyfity OF Wisconsin fac
ulty. Carl r. Fish professor OF American
history. s. W. Gilman, professor Of busl-
ness administration. and George G. Sell
berry. professor OF European history.
The Nebraskans excelled in givo and
take attack. while the MinnesotaHs were
smoother as speakers.
For Minnesota. Stanley Gillian opened
IA polished address. emphasizing the.
need Of the United states for new mar.
Refs and the need OK direct steamship
lines to the orient aud South American
markets.
Rein stated the Nebraska case By re-
buttal evidence going 20 show that ship
lines are not tho first thing needed
to get these markets. lie Furthermore
concluded that a ship subsidy policy Is
uANlttillANfAlAg AltA lENltllL btftiNHt tllt SUD
sidy Itself would be a direct economic
loss and because subsidy would be q
long-lasting retaliation.
Theodore utney. 70. OF Minnesota,
ignored Reins attack on economic
grounds and insisted that a subsidy policy
Is necessary TO get the navy. the auxilla-
ties and men Il needs for war.
Prince came back for Nebraska with an
that naval and commercial needs are
antagonlstic because the fast ships which
the naval experts call for as auxlliaries
arc Improbable for commercial purposes
The Minnesota third speaker was
Matthias n. Olson. Os. A. NJ. 90. law 10
who emphasized the example OF foreign
hations which are substituting lines and
who dweit on the need Of subsidy to
break these foreign monopolies which,
he alleged. fix freight rates for American
Shippers
Thomas Jean Hargrove OF wymore
vent after Olson, showing, first. that
subsidy policy r. not needed 10 break the
qo-called monopoly because the rates are
Competitive; and. second. that passenger
and freight facilities to the orient and
South America are now adequate
He further maintained that trade does
not follow the alag. the only commercial
defense for a subsidy 50 long as facilities
are adequate.
a Nebraska Loses az Home.
LINCOLN, Neb.. Dec o.--(special Tele-
gram 1.-THE Iowa university debating team
defeated the Nebraska team here last
plight. The subject Of debate was. RE
solved. That the United states should
Hdopt a policy OF shipping subsidies" Ne
bIsslsa was represented by Joseph 0Old-
stein, II. w. Garrett and A, r. Raymond,
Iowa by H. N. Beebe, $. II. Erwin and
II. II. clough.
The Judges were Prot C, D. Allen.
Prof. ID. Il. swcnson. Prot A. b. White.
all OF the University OF Minnesota. Ne
braska had the affirmative.
IIIfsois wins from Iowa.
IOWA CITY. Ia, Dec. ESPECIAL Tel
egram.l--A vote OF 2 TO ! gave Illinois
a victory over Iowa al Iowa City last
night In thu intercollegiate debate be-
tween those schools over the question OF
the ship subsidy, Illinois supported the
negative side Of the question and was
pushed to victory mainly through the
brilliant work OF its leader. A. " Es-
sington. He was followed in turn by r.
Il. Fraiiey and II. G. Real. o. X. Patton,