New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1911-07-15
DENEEN CR0SS-EXAM|NED
Lorimer'S Counsel Fails to Shake
Governors Testimony.
DENIES HE WAS THE "B0SS''
Tells Further Of Fight at Spring
field, When Hopkins
Was Defeated.

Washington, July 1--For nearly six
hours to-day Governor Charles S. Deneen
OF Illinois underwent a cross-examination
at the hands of counsel for Senator Lori
rner concerning the testimony the Gov
ernor gave yesterday to the committee IN
vestigating the election of Senator Lorimer
II is expected that tomorrow the Governor
will be cross-examined about occurrences
on the day Lorirner was elected.
Nearly every phase of Illinois politics
was gone into by Mr. Hanecy in cross-ex-
aiming the witness. The testimony con-
stitutes history of political alignments IN
Illinois from the time Mr.. Deneen was FIRST
elected States Attorney for Cook county
Mr.. Hanecy sought TO show that 1t was
Deneon and not I4orimer who organized the
legislatures during his term as Governor
but l1r Deneen was certain that nc nun
self did not dictate the chairmen OF conf
mittees and that Lorimer had ATTENDED d
conference "somewhere" at which II was
agreed to have the minority Republicans
and Democrats organize the House when
voted for Lorimer
Mr.. Hanecy also sought ~ show that II
fifteen Deneen men had voted for Hopkins
on the first days balioting for senator
Hopkins would have been elected. Mr..
Deneen was not willing to say that all
these fifteen were full hcdged Dsneen men.
Hopkins received siXty-one votes in the
House" declared Dir. Hanecy. and these
fifteen more would make seventy-siX. mat
would have been enough 70 have elected
him. wouldn't it, for you say he had ma
iority in the Senator"
oven. sixty-one and fifteen make sew
enty-six." responded Mr.. Deneon lhi'
far you are correct Your additlop IS cor
rect but YOUR conclusion is wrong. Ae
would have been elected had the siNty-one
not changed their votes, but they would
have changed
Mr.. Hanecy read from NJ. peneen testl-
mony yesterday, in which he sala n.s
friends retarded Hopkins's election uhtl.
the election for Governor was settled ana
asked II the witness had these fifteen mon
in mind when ne so testified.
Mr.. Deneen said he had in mind Senator
ZONES. REPRESENTATIVES Hull and Brady ana
O hers interested in his reforms.
Mr.. peneen could not recall, he said. ex-
actly when his friends decided or f1rst dis
cuseed the question Of postponing the cleo
ton of Hopkins out said he felt II was
come time after tho ballotinS for Senator
had begun.
II didn't have stop clock. diary or 4
MONOGRAPH" he declared, when pressed for
a moro definite answer.
The witness explained that all that was
done TO postpone Hopkins's election was 70
haze about ten men vote for Foss. On the
"A "a I'm
king.
\ long line of questions about the = ork-
ing Of the primary Laws Of Illinois evoked
a protest by Senator Jones that the testi-
mony was immaterial. Mr. Hanecy argued
that Governor Deneen had claimed credit
for passing the primary laws as reform
measures in the face Of the opposition or
others. and get the Governor had continued
Ia WELD power ia making states in caucus
ard conference.
Governor Deneen said he did not know
that Senator Iorirner in 1915 refused 10 at
tend a conference after the passage OF the
law because he intended 10 obey 1t. Cow
ernor Deneen argued that the spirit and
letter Of the law were not intertered with
nv candidates being recomme nded 10 the
voters at the primaries.
They don't wear armor plate out there
said Mr.. Deneen In discussing his relation
to politicians IN Illinois. lie said he haa
haen much surprised at some of the tesu-
nony given about the bad feeling person
allv IN the stale. He added that while he
and Senator Lorlmer had differed on aues-
lions such as details OF the waterway
project, they always had been friendly per
sonallv. ,.
we just didn't meet" added tho witness.