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Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1911-11-17
HEARING Is POSTPONED.
Mai. Armes' Test Case in Transfer
Fight Goes Over

For the fifth time since it was placed
on the trial calendar in the Municipal
Court a month ago the case Of George \.
Armes against the Washington Railway
ana Electric Company. in which Maj.
Avnes is seeking 20 recover damages in
he amount of $40 because conductor
os the railway company refused to give to
him and 10 his secretary transfers which
would entitle them to continuous ride
from the Washington Railway Company S
# street line to the Capital Traction Com
pany's eth street line, again was post
puned today.
Mai Arnes and his secretary. David
f. Chamberlain, We're In Judge TerrellS
court for more than an hour this morn
ing but Attorney George II. Hoover for
the railway company found il impossible
to be present Attorney Jackson III. Raj
ston, counsel for Maj. Armes. came be-
fore Judge Terrell. after adherence
with Mr.. Hoover, and announced his con-
sent to a continuance of the trial until
q day 70 be liked next week, but at the
same tim. stated If the railway COM
many Is not ready at that time 10 proceed
that he will ask Judgment by default
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1911-11-17
BOMB THROWN IN CHICAGO.
Explodes in Tenderloin Dance Hall
But Does Little Damage.

CHICAGO, November 1I.-Bomb throw
;ng. which for many weeks has been al
most entirely missing, was renewed last
night. when Que Of The missiles was
hurled :.t a dance hall in the tenderloin
district. Like many preceding in the last
few wears. the resultant explosion did
little damage.
The bomb exploded with roar that
could be heard for half mile. buildings
In the vicinity We're shaken and large
plate glass window was blown out of the
front OF the dance hall. A dance was in
progress at the time and the dancers
rushed to the street.
1t was the popular belief that the bomb
had been exploded because of the recent
investigations into vice ny the civil serv-
ice commission.
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Court of Appeals.

Present: Th, Chief Justice, Mr. Justice
Robb and Nr Justice Van Orsdei.
ReNford NJ Smith was admitted to prac-
ticee.
1911. Gritts ast Fisher; on motion of
Mr.. r. = Huidekoper OF counsel for
appellees decree amended in terms to
dissolve Injunction; appeal to United
States Supreme Court prayed by Mr.. j. j.
Hemphil. of counsel for appellants al
lowed and bond for costs fixed at $500.
No. 733. Patent Appeal. Carmel Wine
until Monday.
Nos 10. 736 and .37 Patent Appeal.
O'Connor and Nash agt. Bcttendorf: ar
cument continued by Mr.. Frank D. Thorn
ason for appellee and concluded by Mr..
II. \. Low for appellant.
No. I'll. atenPt appeal In re applica-
ton OF Robert W. Morgan; continued by
stipulation.
No. IA Patent appeal. Summit City
soap works a2t. Standard Soap Com
pany: argument commenced by Ny j. f.
Cross for appellant. continued BY Mr..
". G.. Henderson for appellee ami con-
cluded by Mr.. J. F.. Cross for appellant
No. IsS. Patent appeal. Pope agt. Nc
kenzie: argued by Mr.. +. ". winter for
appellant. submitted by appellee.
Adjourned until Monday, November 90
1911.
Proceedings after The Stars report
closed Yesterday:
Nos. 735. 73G. 7s7. Patent appeals.
O'Connor agt. Battendorf same agt
same. and Nash agt. same: argument
commenced by Mr.. H. n. Low for APP
pellants ana continued by Mr. Frank d.
Thomson for appellee.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1911-11-17
CHICAGO CATTLE MARKET.

CHICAGO. November 11.-cattle--
Receipts estimated at 1000 head: mar
ket steady: beeyes. i.30a9 10; Texas
steers 4.GeaJ 20: western steers, 4.3oa
Z ~; stockers and feeders. 2.g,a..I5: cows
aud heifcrs, 1.s0a5.i'. calves, 5.ooaS.25,
HoGs-Receipts. estimated at $4,000
head market slow. generally steady;
light J.a0a6.5Ils; mixed. 6.1oae.6Ti.
lcav. 6lJaj.Io. rough. d. Jae.3o. good
- choice heavy. s.35a6.1o: pigs, 4.50a
90. bulk OF sales, o.30a6.su.
Receipts estimated ~ 10000
cad: market steady: native, :.6oa5..1;
!. estprn. @.6Ja;.se: ycarl;rGS. 3. .5at. Gu.
:, ribs native. 5. seas western. asa
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CHANGE IN MANAGEMENT.
Officers and Directors of Provident
Savings Bank.

chanse in the management OF the
Irovident Servings Ban!: WIS effected to-
day. following AL election held at noon.
Officers chosen are: President. VI. A. VIM
ter. first Vice president, >. ". Woodward:
second vice president L. l.. Montague
cashier. c. l.. bowman.
T.. Southland :srker. :. w. Woodward
James IansburGh. Tobias B,ish. Victor
j. Evans. Il. l.. Montague y. y. OTTER.
Martin Roth. Henry Evan John Lewis
Smith r. W. Thayer. II! Sheetz. 4. r.
J.eckie. +. III. Kramer. q. W. Baher and
Nj 4 Winter were elected directors.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1911-11-17
Denies He Received Rebates.

NEW YORK: November l1@Teorse w
Sheldon. president OF George w Sheldon
& co. of Chicago, who Is under ndict-
ment for receiving rebates on shipments
of imported merchandise from the ehlsn
Valley railroad, appeared before Judge
Martin today in the United states 'ircuit
court and entered 4 tentative plea Of not
guilty He was given until December
to withdraw the plea Bail IN $500 was
furnished
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1911-11-17
LIVERPOOL.

LIVERPOOL. November Il. : Closing:
Cotton Spot quiet: prices two points
lower: American middlins fair, SO: good
iniddling. a.31: middling. '.19: low mid
ding. 800: good ordinary. i33: ordinary.
40. The sales OF the day were 400
bales. of which 800 were for specula ton
and export and included 300 American
Receipts. 1900 bales including IL 600
American. Futures opened quiet and
steady. and closed quiet and steady.
November. $685.: November and De-
cen1ber. 4.97is: December and January,
4.GA: January and February. 4.aS: Feb
ruary and March. 4.991a: March and April.
5.O1: April and May. BOB: May and June.
800: June and July, 5.06ls: July and Au-
gust. 5O7: August and September, 5.06:
September and October, 5.O41s: October
and November. 5.O4.
LIVERPOOL. November IL. Closing:
Wheat-Spot easy: No. Manitoba, Is
SID: No Manitoba, IS Sd: futures easy;
December, Is lid; March, Is I'D: May
IS sd.
Corn = Spot firm; American mixed, Us
I'D futures steady: January. IS slsd
Hops-In London (Pacific COAST, ella
sig.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1911-11-17
LONDON MARKET.

LONDON, November 11.-American Sc
curities opened steady and {, fraction
higher today. During the first hour the
market advanced under the lead Of Mon
Pacific. Southern Pacific and United
States Steel. At noon prices ranged from
a to 1 point above yesterdays New York
closing
The market became firm under the lead
of Southern Pacific, Union Pacific AMI
United States Steel. Trading was quiet.
but prices advanced throughout the day
and the closing was firm.
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Washington Stock Exchange.

Sales.-Re.u.ar cail - O'Clock noou-C Capital
Traction 5s. S,.Gna Ut liol..
Capital Tracti"i Warrants 20. AZ SIS. So,H'
at So. S3OsG 4; S.s. 81 900 NJ S's 81 .ce, ut
S1e. $1,000 at So. $1,000 at SIS. S1.0"a at 81.
So" at 81. s',i2S a; So. $40 :, 81. $40 1T
Potomac Electric Cons. ~. $1,000 IT 1o1ie,
81 600 at 1O11s. $1,000 at 10lH.
Washington Rwy. and Flee. com. :, at 1871
Washington Cas- - at 81.
Mergenthaler Linotype 10 at go
nanston Monotype, "a at @l2. l" II 3ilc.
Washington Loan and Trust. 10 at -.
After call-Capital Traction Warrants, S420
at Sa.
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BALTIMORE.

Special Dispatch 10 The Star.
BALTIMORE. Md. November IL
Wheat-Firmer: spot contract gi4: spot
No. . red western. 9oi4: November 9tA
December. 9j4: January, 81: May. los:
steamer No. = red, S91.; receipts. 12327
bushels: exports. 1T l65 husl;Es: south
ern by sample, c1a!E': southern on grade
s9a4 ag2s4.
COrn-Firmer. Spot contract, new.
~: November. new, ~: year, 6SSs
January, 6S14 a683s; February. 6SL a
6Sia: Me- rch. 6S7s. Receipts, 12.41O
bushels.
Ots-Firm; No. =. white. SO sales:
standard white. .I24 sales. No. -.
white. 52a52 II. Receipts, 1.61S
bushels.
Rye-Quiet; No. western domestic,
1.01a1.02.
Hay-Steady. unchanged.
Grain freights-F'irm. unchanged
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GOOD EARLY GAINS.
Leading Speculative Stocks in
Demand at Opening.
ADVANCES IN ENTIRE LIST
All of Accustomed Leaders Purchased
in Big Blocks.
STRENGTH SHOWN BY STEEL

NEW SpRK November II Leading
speculative stocks We're in good demand
at tho opening today. and substantial
advances were made. Active buying OF
the coalers was continued. Reading rose
n point and I.ehigh Valley p. Union
Pacific. Amalsamated Copper and United
States Steel rose point. Brooklyn Union
Gas ..sponded 10 q declaration OF an
extra dividend with q gain Of Ia.
iicaf operators showed decided nervous
mss al the confident buying II all classes
OF stocks and although the substantial
advance brought out conservative profit
taking. the list absorbed il readily and
forced prices upward All IF the accus-
toned leaders Of the market were pur-
chased in big blocks. Union Pacific gained
=. and Reading and United States Steel
!. POINTS. Practically every important
stock Was mp point or more. Specula-
zion was broad and there was brisk in
ouiry FOR tn. railroad equipment and
other ioW-pTiced stocks.
The more. confident spirit which was
shown in III. market yesterday continued
To influence trading today. The demand
EXPANDED and during the morning the
list advanced steadily. Although the buy
ing was heaviest amonS the speculative
stocks, the entire market showed the re-
suit Of the movement and gains ranging
from one To three points We're recorded
In every quarter. The change from the
heavy tone of the carrier part of the
week was ascribed in part 10 cessation
of the heavy profit taking sales. The
views expressed by eX-President Roose-
Welt on the trust question also were re-
ferred 10 as factor in stimulating the
market.
BulliSh enthusiasm grew with the up
ward march of prices. Room shorts tired
md
@crarnbI. for stocks Extensive buying
iv important speculative interests con-
vcyed the impression that large lines
which had been sold higher up We're being
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1911-11-17
Prcfit-Taking Lowers Prices.

'Ebc market closed steady
PROFIT -tstking increased in volume in
tho last hour and prices fell away stead
lis. Reading and Lehigh Valley re-
ecded ! - from the highest and Union
Pacific. Northern Pacific. United States
Steel and american Smelling !. There
was some Improvement in the final
dealings
Money on call steady. a9sa2i: per cent:
ruling r1te. -: closing hid, -: offered
- -.
TiTe loans easy: ca days 34a3I. per
cent. and - days. 3i@a3si per cent: d
months. -a3S,
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Steel Reaches High Mark.

United States Steel touched 65is
which brought it to within Il of the
highest figure reached since the col
lapse to 80 last month. \ block of
$500 shares was purchased at S4a
improvements were fully as large In
various other influential stocks. Amer
lean Smelling was up ia, Reading g.
Union Pacific pa. Amalgamated Cop
per IS and Northern Pacific "a. Bonds
were strong.
Dealings contracted and there was a
triiiing reaction. Subsequently the
market rose easily to the highest
again. with the demand vigorous for
Union Pacific and Amalgamated Cop
per. London was a considerable factor
in the forenoon advance in the stock
amounts Of the international favorites.
interest in the matter died out to a
CONSIDERABLE. extent in the latter part
of the day. The TRADERS ceased bid
ding up stocks and speculation fell
INTO rat on slight concessions in
prices. Forecasts of tomorrow's bank
statement indicate cash loss of So
coo, 900, principally as a result of the
Cana dian gold shipment. General
Chemical after long neglect. jumped
I've points on the announcement OF an
extra per cent stock dividend
Wabash securities developed weak
ness. the per cent bonds dropping
tron 55t4 to 53ta.
Prime mercantile paper. 4a4h per
cent: sterling exchange steady. with
actual business in bankers bills at
Sass for sixty days and at 1855 for
demand. Commercial bills. Asa Bar
Government bonds steady. Railroad
bonds firm
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1911-11-17

Chiffon Politics. tells ABOUT the in
fiuence of women in Washington life.
BY James Hay. il. See our next Sunday
Magazine.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1911-11-17
CHICAGO.

CHICAGO. November l1.-Better wealth
er prospects in the Argentine led to sell
ing pressure here today in the market for
wheat. The heavy rains which had caused
alarm as to the harvest outlook were sue
ceaded by more favorable conditions and
there was q quick change of sentiment
accordingly among spectators. However.
the fact that the world shipments prom
ised to be light outside of America tended
to make the buyers cautious especially as
the cold continues in the districts north
west of Chicago and receipts are running
small at all winter wheat points. The
opening was the same last night to j,
lower. May started at laui4 to i.Gnss I'M
changed to = off, aud descended to lUls.
Drenched fields made corn firm. Tie
hearish action OF wheat, though, operated
as counter-irrtant. May opened Is ii =
higher at 6jas to 65ia, and receded later
to 6514.
Oats were swayed entirely by corn.
Business was only scattered. May started
a shade to . up at :nil to a0ha5oaS. but
fell back to 50lsaJ0l4.
The entire list of provisions turned
weak. Heavy selling by a leading pack
ing concern broke the market First
transactions were shade to a. lower,
with May delivery 1880 to 1886 for pork.
95712 to $50 for lard and S.721a to $40
for ribs.
Cash grain: Wheat-No. = red, 9Ga97la:
No. 3 red. 93a96: No = hard. 9Sa1.O5: No.
} hard. 95a97: No / northern. 1.Osa1 Ii:
No. northern. 1.0.a1.00; No 3 northern.
locales: No. spring. 1.ma115: No 3
spring. 1."0a1.o4: No. spring, S3a1.o3;
velvet chaff. :Va1 81: Durum. 9,alU1.
Corn-No = old, 7oa 7Jls: No. white,
old. 75ta: No. 2. 81: No. 5 old, 74laa75:
No. 3 white, Ga: No. :: yellow. i7lgass:
No. 2 yellow, old. 15k: No. 4. 64aG5: No.
old. "A: No. white. 64a6412 No. yell
low. 65a65s4.
:o,,: No. white. 4siia4a: No. ! white.
iSaiS,.: standard, issialna
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1911-11-17

II pays to read the want columns Of
The Star. Hundreds OF situations ere
filed through them.
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1911-11-17
NEW YORK CURB PRICES.

Quota ticHs furnished by W d. IIibbs Il
members New York Stock Exchange.
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CRIMINAL. COURT NO. Justice Bar
nari

nard.
United States agt. Albert Frederick
robbery; sentenced to penitentiary for
two wears: attorney, r. \. Hughes.
United States agt. John stanton, rob-
berry: sentenced to penitantiary for TWO
years: attorney, j. g. Foster
United States agt. Oliver Dixon, assault
with dangerous weapon; plea not guilty;
attorney, T.. L. Jones.
United States agt. Ernest Harris. Viii
liam Gilbert, Walter Jones and William
Dickerson, robbery; plea EGu guilty each;
Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1911-11-17

For the District of Columbia and Mary
land rain tonight and Saturday morn
ing. followed by clearing: warmer to-
night; brisk and probably high southerly
winds
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Up-River Waters.

Special Dispatch to The Star.
HARPERS FERRY. ". Va November
11.-Both rivers little cloudy this
morning.
The evening world., 1911-12-04

Lamb. OF No. 18 East seventy-fourth
street, said Mr.. Young had been dead
for several minutes before his arrival.
Death was due to diabetes.
Mr.. Young is survived by his wife,
Nellie A.. and four married daughters,
Mrs. H.. d. Gallaufet. Mrs. Milton J.
Warner, Mrs. George Milton Smith and
Mrs. George II. Voss. The funeral will
be held On Wednesday. burial being In
Waterbury. Conn.
Mr.. Young had been a potent influence
In financial circles. having been a d.
rector and official In many OF the lafg-
est Eastern corporations. He was Presi-
dent and Director OF the Southern Rail-
o Company, Director of the Amer
lean Mall Steamship Company, Presi-
dent and Director of the Connecticut
Railway and Lighting Company. Vice.
The evening world., 1911-12-04
BOY KIDNAPPED
BY bLUECOAT FOR
Love Of MOTHER
Strange Story Told in Court
When Another Man Is
AuccuSed Of Crime.

Persons interested in the fate Of seven
year-old Bernard Dolan, who was KID
mapped from his grandmother in Brook
Ign Saturday night and brought to his
mother by a mysterious man who called
himself "sergt. James Kelley OF Madl-
son street" appeared in the Fifth Ave-
Mi Court to-day before Magistrate
Neume.
Frederick Meyer. who claims to he an
uncle Of the boys father and who. II
is claimed. attempted first 20 kldnap the
child and was arrested. was relea sed on
1900 bond furnished by his father,
Augustus Meyer. His trial was set for
Thursday.
The boy was brought into court by
his mother. who H. q trained nurse
working In a nahleffhT hospital under
an assumed anne. He was at once
taken in charge byifht Cldldren's So
ciety, which will bring the case before
Magistrate Ryan TO determine who Is
entitled to the boys custody.
Mrs. Dolan Is the daughter OF William
Doerlng. whose wife. Marsaret Doering.
lives at No. 372 sixth avenue. Brooklyn.
Doerlng and hts wife are said to he
c~stranged on account of the actions of
their daughter. Tia se~ven-year-old son.
Bernard. was being cared for by Mrs.
Doering. I'm
The story-onsof The strpnsest In their
experience. tho Frookiyn police say
came out In consequence of the arres,
and arraignment early yesterday Of
Frederick Meyer IN the Fifth Avenue
Court In Brooklyn. He Is a horseman
and lives at No. it9 Seventeenth street.
that borough. He was bailed by his
father. Augustus Meyer. . wholesale
produce m~crchantlo Of Manhattan.
Mrs. Margaret Doerins alleged tina
she was at Fifth avenue and Si::tn
street. that borough. Saturday night.
with her grandson. Bernard Dolan.
. seven years old. when Meyer. who Il
. her husbands uncle. ran up. laid his
| hand on the child md said:
( This IL her,
MAN IN UNxoRM WALKER
AWAY MTH BOY.
Then. according = Mfa Doerns. an
other man. q strSAgers 60 her. seize,
The evening world., 1911-12-04
ROUGH SKINS FOLLOW
ROUGH WEATHER
Relief from the Discomfort and
Unsightlincss of Chaps"

Rough skins and rough weather too
often 90 together. and the result is not
only disfiguring but painful.
Smarting, burning and soreness in face
or hands may be quickly relieved by
rubbing in a little Velogen before going
10 bed. after washing face and hands in
the morning. and especially before going
outdoors. The toughest skin is softened
by velogen. and a delicate skin is pre-
served from injury by its refreshing
action on the pores. No grease to OBJ
struct the breathing places Of the skin
or to soil by contact with the clothing:
Experience for yourself the delightful
feeling Of Vclogen and its wholesome
and identifying effects when you use j
regularly on hands and face. At oil
druggists. in collapsible tubes. Csc.
The evening world., 1911-12-04
BOUNDED BY A MALICIOUS
RELATIVE.

Eight years < when w were living
In Lancaster, Pa, she was deceived by
a man In whom she had great con-
fdence. After her son. bernard. was
born his father died and the mother
went TO Charleston, =. c., and got EN-
ployment. She taught In an Industrial
school there. Then she came to New
York and we all moved here.
"Shc took up st~enography and held an
important place with a big insurance
company. Her son was taken In charge
by my wife.
ION OF her owr relatives bounded my
daughter out Of one position after an
other. but finally she succeeded In drop
ping out OF sight OF her vindictive pur-
suer and went to the hospital on Black
wells Island where. In 1909. she was
graduated as n trained nurse. She
nursed for a time on Swinburne Island.
and now she Ia the read nurse OF n ward
in one Of the large municipal hospitals.
She IL known there only by her assumed
name.
"A young man whom I know only ~
| james Kelly a police sergeant. fell In
love with my daughter. She frankly
| told him the story of ner life. He said
he loved her still M they are I'D
TO be married. My daughter asked her
sweetheart to bring her boy to her"
At the hospital It was said to-day
| that the nurse In question had -one
away on a two weeks leave OF absence.
The evening world., 1911-12-04
ALDEN NJ. YOUNG DIES
SUDDENLY AT HIS HOTEL.
Financier Is Found Dead by Ser
want in His Apartment in
BRETON Hall.

Alden ". Young. senior partner OF the
firm OF Young & Warner. No. 30 Church
street. clubman. philanthropist and d.
rector In twenty-four corporations. died
at 10 o'clock last night In his apart
ments in Breton Hall. E~ighty-sixth
street and Broadway. His death was
not made public until this morning.
Mr.. Young. with his wife. had been In
Boston visiting a daughter, Mrs. II. ID.
G~allaufet. and returned alone to New
York yesterday. lie went to his apart
men.s, which were in charge OF one
servant. During the evening he com
planned OF feeling III. At 10 O'Clock the
servant spoke to Mr.. Young. A few
minutes later. on going over to him. the
servant found him dead. DR.. Albert
The evening world., 1911-12-04

President and Director OF the Kings
County Electric Light and Power Com
pany, Director OF the American Power
m Light Company. Director OF TIE
American Gas an Electric Company,
Treasurer and Director of the Connecti-
cut Power Company n an official In
almost a score OF other companies.
Mr.. Young was well known In club
and fraternal circles, having been a
member OF the Union League Club. the
Railroad Club, the Recess Club. the
Odd Fellows and Royal Arcanum.
The evening world., 1911-12-04
His Ways,

His Ways.
from the Chicago Tribunal
'.Swiggles Is a regular %rounder. isn't
he?"
Regular as a clock. Goes on . toot
every night Of his Me-"
The evening world., 1911-12-04

Found Dead in IA N. Y. A. @.
Thomas IL. Lee. sixty-seven years cid.
was found dead in his room in the New
york Athletic Club to-day. His death
was due to natural uses Mr.. Lee was
connected with an advertising concern.
Some months ago his wife died. He had
teen In falling health since.
The evening world., 1911-12-04

the boy. she screamed and q patrol
man responded. The tranger showed
n police shield. said That's all right"
and walked away with the unresisting
boy. No attempt was made TO ares:
him. though Meyer VA taken into Gus
tody.
After Meyer had been held yesterday
for examination on the Kidnapping
charge, he told Magistrate Reynolds
that the boy was taken by Police Ser
geant James Kelly. Mrs. Doerins had
gone from court, go the Magistrate told
Detectives Malcolm and Duffy they had
the right 10 arrest Kelly without a
warrant. inasmuch as Kidnapping Ia .
felony.
william Doering. husband OF Mr.
Margaret Doering. made the OH wing
statement:
Bernard Dolan, the boy alleged to
have been Kidnapped. Is now with his
mother. who II my daughter. Maud. and
she n the boy are In a safe place.
where they cannot be further persc-
cuted. She has had trouble enough to
break the heart Of almost any roman