The Mathews journal. (Mathews C.H. [Court House]) 1903-1937, 1911-07-27
HEARD HINES SAY
II ELECTED LORIMER"
Clerks Testimony Supports That
of Hettler, Which Was the Re
verse of the Evidence Given
by the Lumber Trust
Ma0nate.

verse OF the GVlCenCe Given
by the Lumber Trust
Magnate.
WASHINGTON Straightforward
Frame, OF Chicago. was The first vit-
ness before the Lorimer investigating
committee today.
Frame is a clerk at the ci..a~ stand
IN the Union League Club i'm Chicago.
ne was selling cigars 20 II. IA. Hettier
on May 20, 1903, the day on which
Lorimer was elected, when Edvard
Hines came out OF a telephone booth
anu 9ccoSted Hettler. Frame testified
Lorimer."
The witness could not tell ANYTHING
turner, however, regarding the con-
versation, but Hines statement made
an impression on him, ne said. He
neard Hines and Hettler talking for a
rev minutes but did not hear what
His statement bore out the testi-
HlonN or Hettler Yesterday. which was
witness stand. Hines declared to the
That ne had elected Iorimer
frame was a very backward witness
anu on cross examination Judge Hynes
ehoeaNored TO confuse him. but the
witness stuck to his story
Hines EmplOyc Heard Nothin" Suo-
gcstivc.
AFTER Frame was excused Isaac Ba-
ker, buyer for the Edward Hines LINN
per Company, was called in behalf of
hf-
counsel. Judge Hynes.
Witness said that on the Friday be-
IOre Lorlmer was elected he was i'm
Washington with Hines. talking with
senator stephenson, of Wisconsin. i'm
regard to a 100000 lumber daal IL
went back to Chicago with Hines
reachlng Chicago on the morning of
May 2bth. the day Lorimer was
elected. Hines told him on the train
INA. IA ne was going on to Springfield. At
lhe station in Chicago Wiehe met them
ana told Hines not To go TO Spring
Held until he had talked 70 Lorimer
over the phone
Later in the day Baker said he wont
to the Grand Pacific Hotel i'm Cbicor,
TO meet MeSSrs. Cook and O'Hrfen IN
talk business. He summoned Hines
10 the hotel TO discuss the matter II
was on this occasion that ACCORDING.
TO Witness Cook. Hines talked To Gov
ernor Deneen and is alleged TO have
Sdiu 'h"t ne would come down To-
) rrlcld with an the money neccs-
:~t go elect Lorimer."
bcScribing this incident Baker said
mat while they were i'm Cooks room
at the hotel the telephone bell ram.
and Cook answered il. Ii was "A call
Tor Hines. Witness heard Hines say:
1 nave talked 10 the Governor and
he Will see YOU"
Then there was a pause. Again
Hines said:
Now you understand how the adj
feels about it, Don't /
leave stone unturned to get elected
men pause and again Hines 7
spoke:
If necessary I will come down to
springfield tomorrow on the train"
Did YOU hear Mr.. Hines cali out. /
Hello. Governor or Hello. Governor .
Dencen asked Judge Hynes.
40. sir replied the witness.
Dld You hear him say he would be I
down with all the money needed"
NO. sir"
Did YOU hear anything said about
NO, sir"
knew Nothing of Soliciting Funds.
Referring to the Union League club /
incident. when Hines is aueged To-
nave solicited q contribution of $40
200 to the Lorimer election fund from
Clarence :. Funk, general manager of |
the International Harvester Company. /
Baker said he was present at the con /
Nersaton: 1t was the day following .
the election of Senator LOrimer He
was with Hines and man named Car
neN They were discussing the pur-
chase OF Carney's lumber cut for that /
year.
Tell us what occurred and what
was said"
We were sitting on a safe" said
the witness, when 1 saw a man APP /
proach Mr.. Hines. Mr.. Hines rose ana /
shook hands with him.
Il heard the man say: I see Lori /
mer was elected Senator and he said /
he was glad of il.
Mr.. Hines said: Yes; / think he
Will make good Representatives The
man said he had never met Mr.. Lori /
lner, and that ne would like TO he in
troduced to him. At that he and Air.
Hines walked away toward the en-
trance and l did not hear anything
more said.
When Mr.. Hines returned to where
he sat he said: That is AIR Funk. gen
eral manager of the International
harvester Company small man for
4 large business or something TO that
Effect"
Admits Elastic Memory.
Mr.. Baker was cross examined hv
Mr.. Healey, counsel for the commit
ee.
when did YOU first recall this tele-
phone conversation which Mr.. Hines
had in Mr.. Cooks room2" asked coun-
sell
Wei, it was about the time OF
Whites confession" replied the wit
ness.
How did that recall it to your
mind?" asked Senator Kern.
Well there was Il great deal of
talk in the newspapers about som,
prominent lumberman going 10
springfield with a black bag filled with
money"
Did you connect Mr.. Hines with
hiatt"
Mr.. Cook had been going around