New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1911-04-25
FAIL TO ALTER VETO BILL
,,,ionists Unable to Check the
Liberal Move Against Lords.
large MAJ0RlTlES GIVEN
AT. Home Rule Amendment De
=. fested-Premier and MIR.
2 Churchill Speak.

- Anil e4--The House ~ Com
-. vary late tonight in US discus
=, the second clause OF the Parlia-
Nh which relates 70 the ourtail
=, she mowers Of the House Of Lords,
.,.,,Aa numerous amendments seek
:, exclude all sorts Of measures from
-. operation OF the oil
~. snti-Home Rule amendment FRO
to- N exclude any bill 70 establish 2
.sr..A parliament and executive for
.,sp which was moved by John R.
.,.ls IJnionist member for Middle
,,,a-s. was defeated b. vote Of 24 to
-, The division on this amendment
.,.nss no cross voting but few Liberals.
..,,,s,,s Neil Primrose. the youngest son
:. ~. Earl Of Rosebery. abstsined from
voting.
rn,b rren,iAr Asnwth and Winston
c,r,chl. the Home Secretary. IN the
.o,,s. Of the debate reiterated the govern
-.,,,s intention 70 proceed with the bill
a.. thA reform Of the House of Lords dur
-c the lifetime Of the present Perlis-
-.,t Mr. Churchill explained that the
,,c, that the Parliament bill. although II
.,,rrs5 the predominsnce Of the House OF
c,-,none. would still leave the House of
.x.s ths mower Of vexaticus interference
a. liberal measures. was in itself Sc
,u-i,v that the government would seek the
,..orrn Of the upper chamber.
w Ionsdale said in introducing his
,-s,dmAnt thst he desired 10 see the
.,ss,,on Of Home Rule removed alto
,.,her from tie region Of the controversy
.r.- the reform Of the House of Lords.
Tho government was at the mercy OF the
x.nonslis's. whose object was 10 smash
no constitution. he said. in order TO dis
r,suoer the empire by driving Ireland into
national independence.
Home Rules Effect on Treaty.
lanes Ramsay Macdonald. Socialist and
labor member for Leicester, Immediately
took the field in support of the National
;.,s and commended that the Laborites were
ubolshearta5ly in favor of the devolution
demanded for ireland. He believed that
,sa projected treaty OF peace with the
,,,i,ed States has been made possible by
,bs n-onisa of Home Rule for Ireland"
Premier Asouith, in n few pointed SEN
'fnfe@. ETNH lii- 'AtNSN "
dearly that the Cabinet was unsuerv-
,rsy Of the opinion that the electors had
-evrned them 10 power with the fuli
tpcvledgs that they would give Ireland
measure Of Home Rule
The OPPOSITION campaign Of dollar DC
t.ron" further emphasized tbs fact the
Premier said, that Home Rule for Ireland
vas an issue in ths election He repudi-
,tsd the suggestion that there was any
thicker or decit on the part q The gov
eminent and left no doubt OF his tnten-
ton - abids by his pledge 20 introduce
some sort Of Home Rule bill.
Nj Islfcur Repeats Arguments
palfour. leader Of the Opposition,
.rogs IN favor Of the amendment, his re-
marks h=ins repetition OF his cft-tolo
argument The government he said, had
hidden Home Pule in the background our-
NJ tbs elections. and now, having sur
sptitiously attained power. - was going
. force Home Rule down the threats OF
he people. who he believed, If the issue
,sr. placed directly before them, would
eject ~ as they did IN 1855 and 1875
Duncan Vernon P1rie. the liberal devo-
utionist from the North Division Of Aber-
esn, gave an interesting turn 10 tbs de-
ate by moving an amendment - the
.nendrent exempting the establishment
. an Irish parliament unless similar
egislatures were provided for the other
'.rts u the United Kingdom. He hoped
ha, The whole question OF devolution would
be settled eventually by common consent.
another Radical Liberal, Captain Wafer
wa-,ng. from Eanffshire, supported Mt
r.-is and said that federal dsvolution
veulo BE- the only satisfactory settlement
.. the Constitutional upheaval
Eventually Mr.. Plrie Withdrew his