The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1911-12-14
ADVOCATES CLAIM
VICTORY is SURE
Twenty Eight Votes in Council
Believed TO Be Pledged to
Concurrence.
VOTE DOWN AMENDMENTS
Opponents Of Administrative
Board Do, Not Concedc Defeat.
Final Battle Tonight.

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The Common Council has boon called
By President r. Leo Peters to meet
Tonight at s o'clock to consider
amendments to tho Joint resolution
providing for an administrative board,
adopted By the Board of Aldermen
Tuesday night. Chairman Pollock and
Councilman John j. Lynch, Of the spe-
ciai committee which drew the re-
| port, stated last night with absolute
| confidence that, after a canvass they
were assured that the Council will
| concur In the paper as it comes from
the Board of Aldermen, which is tust
as 1t was drafted by tho special com
nittee. amendments placed by the
Council in adoption of the Hirschberg
substitute having been eliminated.
The faction contending for the inclu-
| sion OF the Fire and Police Depart
| ments under the proposed board does
not admit this claim Mr. Pollock as
serts that not less than twenty eight
votes are pledged to concurrence, as
the paper now stands. Only twenty
one votes are required for concur
renee.
The Common Council hos never voted
squarely on the issue. When the src-
1 body.
approved by vote of 10 to . in the
Ordinance, Charter and Reform Corr
nittce, Mr.. HirschberG offered sub
stitute Identical in every respect. save
that 1t added to be under the supervi-
sion OF the proposed board tho Police,
Health and Fire Departments. and this
substitute wGs adopted 81 to 10
week of the most earnest can
wasting followed many holding that
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WAS for the Board OF Aldermen to con-
cur in the substitute ordinance OBJ
lection was raised that this would in
Ject into the first election, when all
live members of the proposed board
must be selected. certain issues which
would distract attention from the cleo
ton of the best class of business men,
The Board of Aldermen adopted amend
ments which brought the resolution
exactly back to what the special COM
mittee first recommended, and then,
after voting down all other amend
ments. adopting the resolution by the
decisive vote OF 10 to 5. II goes back
10 the Common Council ta-night.
Pollock Expects Victory.
Chairman Pollock. OF the special
committee, expresses the belief that
the Council will concur tonight in
exactly what was recommended by that
committee. Messrs. Peters and I'm
iauf announce that they will support
Mr.. Iiirschberg In continued fight
TO have the Police Department made
subject to the proposed board and
express confidence that the vote they
before mustered will stand pat, and so
send the matter back TO tho Board
OF Aldermen, or to a committee of
conference.
1t seems to be the Judgment of
parliamentarians that the Council to-
night can only debate or amend those
sections in which the two branches
have failed of concurrence.
How They Voted Before.
The vote on tho Hirschberg supsti-
tute in the lower branch was as fol-
lows: Ayes-NIessrs. Bowman, Brown.
Cease, Fuller, GILL Haddon, IirschberE,
Iobson, Huber, Jones. Lumsden, Mills,
Pollard, j. c. Powers Rogers. Seaton,
Sullivan. Umlauf, Wiltshire, Workman.
Peters.
Noes-Messrs. Batkins, Blake, hos
chen, Bradley Burke, Butler. Fergus
son, Lynch Miller. Primer, Pollock,
| Powell John 7. Powers Ratcliffe,
| Reade. Richards. Richardson, Selph,
Vonderlehr.
A study OF this roll call In the light
| OF the debate which had preceded, and
of the announced views of many Coun-
cilmen, shows that nearly all of the
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| tive board voted against the substitute.
| including Messrs. Pollock, Lynch and
Reade, members of the subcommittee
| which drew the report.
Mr.. Pollock states that from all in
| formation he has been able to gather,
| the nineteen who voted against the
| Hirschberg substitute, and who In
clude most of tho original advocates
OF an administrative board, will vote
for concurrence tonight He also ex-
poets to get number of the votes Of
those who would have preferred the
substitute. but will tonight take the
original proposition rather than risk
a deadlock and probable ultimate de-
| feat of the whole issue. And in view
of the action Of the Washington Ward
| Democratic Club in declaring for an
administrative board. although 1t stood
out against the four-ward plan, Mr..
Pollock hopes to have the support OF
the South Richmond delegation in his
| fight for concurrence.
| Business Bodies to Act.
The Chamber of Commerce and
Business MEMS Club, which have in
dorsed the principal OF an administra-
tive Board from the first, without TAX
ing part in the fight over whether 1t
should control the Police Department
or not. are fghting moro vigorously
than ever. The board OF directors OF
| the Chamber of Commerce has been
called in special session for 1880
o'clock to-day to consider the situa-
tion. Both of these associations, by
ass-meetings of their members, ap-
! proved the report of the special COM
mittee-the plan which comes to the
Council tonight. When the Hirsch-
berg substitute was offered. tho busi-
ness men regarded the change as
merely a further extension of tho
| same principle. and were prepared to
approve that. But the change hav-
| ing been eliminated In the Board Of
Aldermen, they stand Arm for the crea-
| tlon of q central board to adnninlst err