The Sentinel=record., 1911-12-09

Los Angeles, Dec. S.-The scope ul the investigation undertaken by tho federal grand jury here and the one in Indianapolis, Ind, 50 far as could be learned tonight, has not been sharply defined.
 Government officials it is thought will be able to determine only after the testimony of witnesses has pro- ceeded further, whether to return in JictmeDts here or in Indiana against those persons alleged to have been implicated in g conspiracy unlaw- fully sto transport explosives from one state to another.
 James B. and John J. McNamara remained in their cells today, relter- ating that they would tell nothing evea if called before the grand jury.
 Oscar Lawler, the governments special prosecutor saw them, but obralned little satisfaction
 t was suggested that perhaps af tor the McNamaras had taste of prison life and were visited by labor leaders, who are anxious to cleanse orsan;sed labor of alleged chsrqsls of hwlessness and who might per sut'de them to aid the ends of justice they might be prevailed upon to give xt<srf~.
 ortie E. McManigal, confessed dyn- ami.er. continued to tell the grand jury his experience and he was fol- lowed by J, w. Kaiser of Muncie, Lad., ro-glyeerine manufacturers who says lie sold explosives to J. l. and J J McNamara, as we'll as to Ortie Mcaianigal. The latter corro- borates Kaiser's story. Though the proceedings of the grand jury are kept secret lt is assumed that Kaiser who identified J. J. McNamara in tho court room recently, told of the per- sons to whom he sold explosives.
 Though it is believed that the gov ernment had not reached a decision as to the course the inyestgation here and it's parallel in Indianapolis will take, it is fact most of the evidence of the alleged conspiracy is n the office of the district attorney of Los Angeles county. Numerous wit nesses now here are expected to tes- tiy to important points in the chain of circumstances showing that J. B. McNamara and Ortie E. McMsnigal brought explosives to California.
 The federal penal code states that whoever shall violate or cause to be violated sections relating to the un lawful transportation of nitro-glycer- inc or other high explosives on any interstate carrier is liable to fine. of not more than s2,00O or impris- onment for eighteen months, or both. Conspiracy to violate federal laws is punishable by fine of not less than s1O,00O or imprisonment of not more than two years, or both These two charges are considered to be possitik pnes yor Indictment bo'n here and in Indianapolis.
 Whether Indianapolis or Los stige- les will be made the center of the inquiry has not been decided upon. IL is believed the men who conspir- ed to have J. 5. McNamara transport explosives leading to the Times eX- plosions and persoas who directed Ortie McManigal to carry bombs here to destroy the LIewelIyn Iron Works, will be investigated here, while dn- dianapolis iauuholities well be con cerned with the investigation into the alleged conspiracy to transport dynamite to other states where ex- plosions are reported to have occur red in the last three years.
 The state practically has turned over to the federal authorities all the information in it's possession, includ- ing all 1t knows of J B. McNamara's connection with explosions in oak land Cal, and Seattle.
 By tracing the signature of ] B. Bryce. admittedly the alias of J. b. McNamara. on hotel registers at oth- CT points simultaneously with the occurrence of other dynamite explo- sions. 1t is believed that an attempt will be made to show that labor leaders oa the coast with whom J. B :, McNamara associated. were inyoly