Albuquerque morning journal. [volume] (Albuquerque, N.M.) 1903-1926, 1911-12-09
United States Grand Jury at
Los Angeles Continues to
Hear 0rtie E, McManigarS
Story Of Crime,
INVESTIGATION BOTH
IN EAST AND WEST
Probable That Probe at Los An
geleS Only viii Deal With
Coast Labor Leaders, Other
at Indianapolis,
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los Angeles. Dec. S.--The scope
of the Investigation undertaken by
the federal grand jury here and the
one IN Indianapolis, SO far as could
be learned tonight, had not been
sharply defined. Government officials.
II is thought. viii be able 60 determ-
inc only after the testimony Of wit
nesses has proceeded further whether
TO return indictments here or in Ind-
ana against those persons alleged TO
have been implicated in q conspiracy
mlawfulN to transport explosives
from one state to another.
Both james II. and John ]. McNa-
mara remained In their cells today.
reiterating that they would tell noth-
ing. even II called before the grand
jury. oscar l.awlor, the govern
ments special prosecutor, saw them
but obtained little satisfaction,
Whether they actually would appear
or not was tonight a doubtful uues-
ton, II was suggested that perhaps
after the McNanaras had a taste OF
prison life and were visited by labor
leaders, who are anxious TO cleanse
organized labor Of alleged charges OF
hwlessness, and who might persuade
them 10 aid the ends of Justice, they
might be prevailed upon TO give the
desired Information.
ortie McManigaI confessed dyna-
miter continued to tell the grand
Jury his experiences as a dynamiter
ana he was followed Wy j. w Kaiser,
of Muneie Ind, nitro -glycerine
manufacturer who says lie sold ex.
ploslves 20 j. B. and ]. j. Mcnamara
as well as to Ortle u. McManigal. The
latter corroborated kaiser'E story.
Though knowledge of the proceedings
before the grand jury Is kcpt secret
II IL assumed that Kaiser who iden-
tilted j. j. Mcnamara IN the court
room, recently told of the people 10
whom he sold explosives
Earlier In the day John kruik-
shank railroad man. testified.
Though II IL believed that the gov
crnment has not reached definite,
decision ns to the course the lnvcsti.
cation win take, II is fact that
most Of the evidence IN the alleged
conspiracy is In the office Of District
Attorney ] y. Fredericks Of Los An.
gees county. Numerous witnesses
now here are expected to testify on
important points In the chain Of cir
eumstanees showing that j. n. McNa-
mara and Ortie u. McMunigal
brought explosives to California
The federal penal code states tnat
whoever shall Nlolnte or cause TO be
violated sections relating 60 the un-
lawful transportation Of nitro glycor-
inc or other high explosives on any
Interstate carrier, Is liable to a fine Of
not more than $4,000 or imprisonment
for eighteen months or both Cen-
splracy to violate federal laws is pun.
ishahle by a fine OF not less than Sl0,-
000 or Imprisonment Of not more thnn
two years or both. These two charges
are considered to bee the possible ones
for indictments both here and at In
diannpolls Whether indianapolis or
Los Angeles viii be made the center
of the governments Inquiry has not
get been decided upon. II Is believed
that the people who consplred to
have i. H. Mcnamara transport the
explosives leading to the Los Angeles
Times explosion ana persons who di-
rected Ortie McMnnlgal to carry
bombs here 60 destroy the llewellyn
Iron Works. win be- investigated here
while Indianapolis will he concerned
with the quiz into the alleged con-
spirncy to transport dynamite To other
states whore explosions are reported
to have occurred Ia the last three
years.
Tho state has practically turned
over to the federal authorities all tho
Information In its possession. Bv
tracing the signature of j. u. Bryce,
admittedly the fictitious name Of ].
h. Mcnamara, on hotel registers at
other points. simultaneously with
the occurrence OF other dynamite ex.
plosions. II Is believed that an attempt
viii be nude to show that labor lead
ors on The coast with whom J. u. as
soeiated, were involved in the con-
sniracY 90 transport explosives unlaw-
fully
In connection with the possible re-
turning of indictments here or at In
dinnanolls on the conspiracy charges
IL IA pointed out that rules or law have
made 1t possible to indict either at the
point OF origin persons who formed
conspiracy or at the place where the
conspiracy WAS consummated. II
Is admitted that the govern
ment can consolidate either at
Los Angeles or at indianapolis, but
II is predicted that division OF the
task VIII ensue and the investigation
here viii he directed toward coast
labor leaders and the probe In IN
diHnapols toward eastern officials.
The evidence gathered by District
Attorney Fredericks 10 show that the
TIMES building WAS destroyed felon
iuusly amounts almost TO q mathem-
pticnl demonstration. A model uf
the Times building with four glass
noors on which the surface plan or
rooms and interior walls is outlined.
contains on each floor small wood
markers with numbers thereon indi-
eating where l03 persons stood in the
building at the moment Of the explo-
sion and eighty-six OF these repre-
sent witnesses from whom the slate