Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1911-07-01
I'M SUPPORT OF H|NES'REPORT GOES over
Telephone Operator Corrobo Board Of Trade Deers Action
rates Part of Testimony. on Public Utilities Bill
TELLS OF TALK OVER WIRE |COMES UP AT NEXT SESSION
Of Railway Construction
and Lormer. to Existing Companies Postponed.
FRED CARNEY ALSO HEARD AID TO MUNICIPAL INQUIRY
Committee Finance
Re Directed Congressional
Until July O Investigation.
Telephone Operator Corrobo-
rates Part of Testimony.
TELLS OF TALK OVER WIRE
Repeats Conversation Between Gov
ernor and Lorimer.
FRED CARNEY ALSO HEARD
Committee Investigating Election at
Springfield Will Take a Re-
cess Until July Is.

Miss Frances Carroll, the telephone
operator in the office of the Edward Hines
| Lumber Company of Chicago and Fred
Carney, of the Carney Lumber Company
of Marinette. Wis, were leading wit
nesses today before the Senate commit
tee investigating the election of Senator
Lorimer. Both corroborated portions of
testimony given by Edward Hines OF Chi
cago, who has been charged with having
q part in raising Lorimer election fund
The committee, having in view recess
next week in its hearings. excused. SUBJ
ject to call. the three detectives whom
Clarence s. Funk. general manager OF the
intentional Harvester Company, said he
''ditched'' when he appeared on the stand
and complained that they were shadowing
him.
Repeats Talks Over Wire.
Miss Carroll testified that she over
heard the long distance talks Mr.. Hines
held with Springfield on the day Lorirner
was elected and repeated the CONVEX
sations substantially as Mr. Hines had
done She denied that Mr.. Hines had
said anything about the use of money In
these Conversations as has been testified
On cross-examfnation she was unable to
recall the date or substance of any other
long distance conversation Mr.. Hines had
held in the ten years she had been in his
employment.
Mr.. Carney's testimony agreed with
Mr.. Hines description of how Mr.. Funk
approached Mr.. Hines at the Union
League Club, and walked away with him
toward the club entrance. 1t was In this
| conversation that Mr.. Funk declares Mr..
Hines asked him to contribute to a Lori
mer election fund. and that MI Hines
testified Mr.. Funk asked for the privilege
of contributing to such fund. Mr.. Car
ney said he heard nothing of the con-
verSation.
Recess Until July ID.
The committee decided after the morn
ing session to take recess today until
July 13, when it will reconvene to resume
hearings in Washington instead of Chica-
go, as originally planned.
Corroborates Hines Testimony.
Miss Carroll testified regarding telephone
conversation held by Hines May 26. the
day Senator Lorimer was elected.
1T would be uneallant for gentleman
to ask a lady her age" began Mr.. Far
rar, rather helplessly. 3.
Judge. 1 am of legal age" responded
the witness, her rosy cheeks heightening
In color.
The witness testified she had been with
the Edward Hines Lumber Company ten
years. She read her record or long ais
lance calls May Is Among the entries
Hines, lO:25 to 1879 and "Mr. Lorimer
at Springfield to Mr. Hines. 1910 to
Hap" These dates correspond with the
testimony Of Mr.. Hines regarding the
telephone conversations. Miss Carroll
said that Mr. Hines talked to Gov. De-
neen from the Continental Bank.
Miss Carroll testified that she overheard
the conversation between Gov. Deneen
and Mr.. Hines. and detailed 1t practically
as Mr. Hines had described 1t.
The conversation between Mr.. Lorimer
and Mr.. Hines. who was at the Grand
Pacific Hotel, was also overheard by Miss
Carroll, she testified, substantially cor
ROTATING Mr.. Hines testimony. She de-
Springfield with all the money needed to
elect Lorimer. as others have testified.
Why She Remembered.
Can you say why you remember these
Conversations" inquired Attorney Far
rar.
We'll, as it was the first time / had
ever had Gov Deneen on the wire lis
tened" Then. after a pause, she added:
II have lived in Senator Lorimers dis
trict and know his family, and it GER
tainIy a very interesting converse
ton. and ] paid particular attention to
it,"
Attorney j. j. Healy for the committee
cross-exa mined the witness. He asked
her If she could recall any of the other
eight long distance or eighty odd local
cal lie rrh hnr ha
She could not She could not remember
what kind of day May Pc was. She tes-
titled that the first time her attention
was directed to the conversation was
when Mr.. Cook testified before the Helm
committee" twenty-three months after
ward
Testing Miss Carroll.
Senator Kern put Miss Carroll to time
test. Her record showed that the talk
between Gov Deneen and MIR. Hines
lasted four minutes. Half a minute, prob
ably. She said. was consumed In MAX
ing the connection. Senator Kern asked
her to repeat what the men said. and
after she had done SO the senator told
her it took her forty-nine seconds, add
ing that Miss Carroll probably talked
faster than they did.
Il certainly did," she replied. She add
ed that she had meant to give only the
substance of the talk. She was sure. she
testified, that nothing was said that she
had not referred 10 in her account of the
talk.
AS Miss Carroll left the stand she,
spoke TO Senator Lorimer and took a
reserved seat beside Mrs. Edward Hines,
with whom she began talking
Hines kilograms Identified.
Wilbur w. Walton, stenographer in
the Continental Bank at Chicago. identi-
fed kilograms Mr.. Hines presented as
ones he had sent from the bank to MIR.
Lorimer May 20. 1909.
Fred Carney of the Carney Lumber
Company Of Marinette. Wis, told of the
yearly sale OF its lumber to the Edward
Hines Lumber Company and of his be-
ing in Chicago on that business on the
day of Senator's Lorimers election.