Perth Amboy evening news., 1911-05-08
SAYS CASE WILL
SHOW THE GUILT
Detective Burns Takes Gem
perS to Task for Action.

New York, May s.-Detectiye VIII
liam J. Burns, who caused the arrest
Of John ]. Mcnamara, secretary-treas-
urer Of the International Structural
Ironworkers' union; his brother, James
Is. Mcnamara, and Ortie McManigal
for alleged completely in the plot to
blow up the Los Angeles Times, is In
New York. He came from Montreal
and will start this evening direct for
Los Angeles.
MIR. Burns was willing TO talk about
every phase Of the big dynamite hunt
except two. lie would not say wheth-
er or not he was hunting for other
men besides those IN jail IN Los An
geles WHO might have had their fingers
In the alleged plot. He would not
speculate as to any connection the In
ternational Association of Bridge and
Structural Ironworkers as an organiza-
ton might have had with the crimes
of which members of the union are ac-
cused.
These arrests have been made, and
that's enough for now" he said and
added that the books of the union, now
In the possession OF the indianapolis
grand jury, would undoubtedly be used
In the trials at Los Angeles. 1t has
been said that entrances on these
books win be found TO account for pay
ments to McManigal, who has confess
ed to a long series Of dynamitlng, but
Burns would not confirm this.
The detective said he had been "as-
founded" by the statement that Com
pers made after the arrests. Gomper5
had talked about "the assassination Of
organized labor and credited the
roundup of the ~dynamiting gang to a
high Conspiracy"
what l thought WAS" said Burns,
that as soO as an outline of the
clear cut evidence against these men
was made public they would be repu-
dated by organized labor; that the
unions would at least get in and help
to establish their guilt or innocence.
Gompers called 1t a 'frameup.' What
ever he knew when he said that he
knows the truth now, for he's been
Investigating in Indianapolis, where
James j. Mcnamara, secretary of the
union, was arrested and the union
headquarters seized"
That confession of-McManigal, OF
which various reports have reached
New York, vas actually made in Chi
cago soon after the arrests, according
to Burns, who said:
After McManigal and J. B. Mona
mara were caught l told both that
they needn't talk unless they wanted
to, and that anything they did would
be used against them. I actually ad-
vised J. b. Mcnamara not to say any
thing mt that time. To McManigal l
said: IN come back to the jail to see
you IN six or eight hours. If you feel
that you want to talk then you can
go ahead l did go back and got a
full confession. There was no third
degree. I talked TO McManigal as ami
ably as 1 am talking to you now. 1
never used the third degree In my life
and / have been a detective for
tRentY-fiYe 1t isn't nanassaEu-
The fellow who Is trapped Is always
looking for n way out and often a con-
fession helps.
81 would like to say, too, that the
charge of kidnapping j. B. Mcnamara
from indianapolis Is untrue. The
federal officers brought the papers
from California 70 the governor OF
Indiana, the warrant was issued In the
proper way and served by the police.
Mcnamara was arraigned In court and
when asked If be was the man named
In the extradition papers he replied,
4 am Then he was taken to Terre
Haute in an automobile and put
aboard a train. The whole transaction
in Indianapolis did not take more than
an hour and a half, but it was perfect
ly regular.
Burns said he had already spent STA
900 on the Los Angeles affair and had
received $4,000 on account from the
Los Angeles mayor.