New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1910-12-04

lkiver into BROOKLYN past me Borough taeil'
sronfectins with the Fourth avenue subway
HraS extending ont Lafayette avenue TO
broadway In Brooklyn That was in orner
thsf there might he a through train ser
Brooklyn and the congeAed districts OK
New York.
Thst Is what would call the trunk lire
pf q new independent subway system
THAT line would cost about Sbu,"sse- ms
srity has sseoee"o IN ,i ssaa SIM Who
believe that the credit OF the city OF New
York is at all in jeopardy. I don't believe
aside s15 f.an ssl a year for the next five
wears TO aid in the construction Of sub
WAYS
He went on to say that it would take
1--WE wears to build this subway. and
added:
II will take AZ least three years 40 spend
the sss eSsi.afo they have in han1. 81 ~
meantime. any sort of an intelhgshi silS
-er;Tenf adnlinistra+ion Of city affairs woulo
contract that at least Sl2.oed@e OF $500 ~.
per annum should be set aside ahc at ia't
a-alahIe for the promotion of TINS pocJec,.ss
At tho end of the FIVE years you 49,, ,,
have then -four Years 1t poSSlnie, = -
&c eraa- business centres of BROOKLYN
and Manhattan Island and fSppshs 4 .,S
Bronx az point from when uioss 1,.ii.
t.ions ought IN the mean tlfne 20 w -
n Ief '"0'o'''s " ..... 8.
<,-a- ~ ost,eyS " IS short line from
Che Bronx 10 the Battery AND INTO 6Feoh,
,yn. That means the people VIII ps "a e ~
more Quickly The whole method OF tne
s>onetr1Icrion is such that you VIII MAKE
ss1l,icker time and go further, too tnat you
~f ~ Soris ~ harlem really in fifteen
minutes or a great deal less -,
. Now q line Of that character Will eai ~
fr1onev because il will be built IL sucl d
60 as IN he operated economically TO be-
kesn with and because touching the lnan =.
fF,usiness centres where traffic originates II
WIN get business
Pointing out the proposition winch
kmrronts the city, Mr.. McAdoo declared
That here was s. definite, practical aho
ku,;c,, solution Of the rapid transit prob
her, and that Il was perfectly simple
BE added:
I vii guarantee that can sit around a
nabae with the Public Service Commission
ko-day. If they are willing 70 hssodaS ec, GLa
krhe-fer we can or cannot agree upon
krade .,o
kEul,7ray construction the citizens VIII not
be- subjected every day to the indienitlss
fto which they are now subjected ana III
Having that don't want to be unotf-
e.no1 SIS making any criticism of anybody.
because I don't believe in such things j
Am only speaking fsc , OF ~a r rs s9u Ned
~ ever citizen who has to use the lines
l Now we speak Of regulated monopoly-
hhnf He know in practice that it does not
Hpsn out We have had regulated monopoly
Ehere for four Eears ! happen 10 De the
En transporting the public. and ! know per
kectly well that the powers OF this commits
sion are limited 1t can't go beyond the
Zine of reasonable regulation
, Noting that the elevated railroads are
Aeased for 9e9 years, which he said was
hong enough, he argued that all would
readily realize that the service on the
klevated railroads to-day would be in
tfnitely improved If they We're in COM
petition with the subway. He added:
My own conclusion Is that competition in
Eocal transportation is absolutely essen
hiai. II results in adequate facilities and
hdacent comforts in transportation.
! Now we have only one system in charge
kpo o1 Of the PubIic service Commission
with all the powers OF the city. and with
1ll the powers of the municipality, you
Esve never been able to get q single bit OF
knev subway constructed to relieve the pres
Vent demand of the community. and IT VII
T7, oe so as f the 9 sifus:ioh" iz
A strong argument has been made by
fengineers against the dimensions OF the
nroposed triborough route. There mas been
r. great deal Of talk about the great and
terminal waste of money that Is entailed
-he plen Of the Public Service Commits
ssion. Now, those dimensions seem large,
than the average; or the sta a1sa.,
Iii WAS an upHise thing to build a subway
i.uite 81 large but when I began to re
tnect about the matter. and had taken il
iup csrefuIly ] became absolutely CON
WINGED that it was the part of wisdom
bsno as matter Of fact this Commission
Seouid ne derelict in its duty if 1t did moi
y t,nake the dimensions large enough not
Monty to take care of the present but TO
,trsks care. OF these absolutely unknown
" ShinSs which, may develop in the future
This lad Mr. McAdoo into a mention OF
She Hudson Tunnels. He said:
Now. We had TO sooner got one of those
SunneIs finished than we regretted that We
Edidn't have The money to make II bigger
Why Because three years after the dis
CusSion 10 which I have referred made
contract with the PENNSYLVANIA Railroad
Company by which undertook to carry
fsts trains from Newark into the Hudson
IL larger dimension tunnel we could give il
.jnfinitely better service through from New
serk and into the terminal station.
The gentlemen who criticiSe these plans
with all due respect to them. | think can
ss1ot know what they are talking about
rr5orl-t know any intelligent man. layman OF
s.npineer Who would saw that the dimen-
ssions in the present subway are ideal and
Eshould be adhered to- Everybody knows
srla- the roof of that tunnel-that is. the
e>-erticaI height Of that tunnels so small
iyou can't get a decent track into the pres
5llaving a concrete roadbed meaning, c'
rcourse. that You did not have TO have
trauch ballast under the rail This roadbeo
fvhen tried was found 10 be undesira bic
ssnd. 50 they had 70 change the plan
What was tho result" Why. they have
rrcuo1ed I'm that tunnel three inches of
sbaIlsst under The ties, and thus instead Of
fboinrz standard. seven 10 eight inches, are
&,1a- over FIVE inches in thickness.
1t means that your track IS not 50
Aslaoolh II means more labor required 10
s1leer that mack IN order. It means more
aSyear ana tear upon the rails.
Now this talk about The present tunnel
S-ostinE- 50 per cent moro than the present
Crteroorough system is likewise inaccurate
II saw as between "A new tunnel of such di.
DIMENSIONS. as every engineer would say ought
kiu be built and this ono larger than the
E1nternoroUeh. and not quite as large al
{zta frIBcrolIci1 cross section. | say the diff
tSerence between that tunnel and the tri-
borough, believe would not-and NE have
fha0 II examined very G3refully-eSceec
HoVer or. 10 per cent Of the entire cost.
! The cost Of construction I have referred
fTo is 500 600 600 on the large dimensions,
bend l guarantee TO say that the extra
SeuoUnt included in that entire system 10
Ia irh ] refer IS not over 81 0a0, 600 or S1o,-
hrea 700
I Now If there 7ere no other justification
tfor Il than the necessary demand of thu