The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1910-05-18
LAWLER BRANDS
BRANDEIS LIAR
Continued from Page One.

ord tI7c Statement issued from the White
House last Saturday denying tnere ,t Wae
any fonndsti9n for for the the NaToS Mr ] Brandeiss
whole line of inquiry was covert AZ
tempt TO drag the president into inc M T.
vestigatonii 70 70 when the inouiry as tending
10 show that the president is'ie' ~
onerating Ballinger was prepared IN H. s"Te S,s
haste that II was nor 1ariiaon''
nature but was extremely paruSail'
witness Is Unmoved.
Kerby calmly underwent the ordeal TO
which the Republican members OF tls
committee subjected him. He insisted
that there was no impropriety In what
he had done declaring .nn6.d 5nGo to II the cali Of
MIR Brandeis for the "Lawler memo
randum'' 1t would have been unneceso
sary for him to have taken ths routS iise
he did TO get the information uei"le ''e
Kerby said his former chief, eX-Sec-
retary Gnrhcld, had told him az Gn
ford Pinchot's home in this city laSI n
February that il was his duty to tel
the facts II he was called on TO 90 so.
II was on that occasion, he SAID thd' hS
bad first told Garfield and Piuchot OF
the memorandum in the presence OF Az
torney Brandeis. TO whom ne nad lalSr
mentioned he knew II TO be MI nrastor Snor
nser a p guTRese ,Se i9 Service with
R. II. Thompson OF Seattle
carrs reply. according to Kerby was
"Yes. but they'll have hard time get
The name OF Hugh 7. Brown, private
secretary to Director OF the Census Du-
rand who formerly served Secre cary
Garfield in the SAM samS GaPsTi'y' InSaY KerSy by
said he had mentioned TO Brown soon
after the publication OF the president S
letter exonerating Balllnser and dlsl,,lSI, !,
ing CLAWS that I'VE practically wrote II
In the secretary's office" He said he
told Brown In confidence. but the latter
mentioned IL To Garfield. -
Kerby declined TO agree with senator
sutherland that he was cautious
patriot In making sure of a new Job be-
| fore riskiug his old one. ,,.
Senator Root was parLicH.aFiS o'''''
'Do you think 1t was a reputable trans-
actionP'' ne demanded. Ito go 10 persons
unfriendy to your superior, with CONF
dental Information from ms Depart
| ment? :. 80
81 did under the circumstances, re. re-
| pIjed Kerby THE country had the rlshi
70 any facts my superior had before
''''''' Under Hot Fire.
Mr.. Kerby appeared confident when he
| took his seat on the stand. After GiNihs
| his name and age. Attorney NertreSs,
| counsel for Mr. Ballinger. questioned mn
! about the position he held in the interior
You were a confidential clerk to Mr.
| Rallinger, were you not?'
II felt myself confidential clerk ,he, 70
| the government repned herpS' rune
than to Mr.. Ballinger. ,
Taking UP the subject of Mr.. keroy
| statement Mr.. Vertrees asked him II ne
had ever before given out conhdenua
sT have never considered 1t before.
was the reply. ,,.
Kerpy said this was the only instance
he could recall In which he had done so.
Kerby said he was friendly TO Mr.. Car
deld and he had exchanged one or tw'
letters with the latter since ne ielt TN
government service lie saId me-. net!nSr W,p 10 .
he has since made public, but that SUP
seouently he had a conversation with M
Garfield at which he had told him apou
Kerbv said he met Mr. Garfield at III
, home OF Clifford Pinchot between IN
tenth and fifteenth Of February aeou
10 so o'clock at night and told MN aoou
, the preparation of the Lawler memofah
He said that Mr.. Brandeis also wa
! ! present and that he related the matte
. to him in detail.
, Had Talked Some.
Questioned further by Mr.. Vertree!
Kerby said he had first mentioned On
/ matter 10 Hugh A. Brown formerly pr
vate secretary to Mr.. Garfield, who
> now private secretary 10 Director Du
rand of the census bureau. rev oay
after President Taft gave ont ms lg,
] said he had met Brown in his OFFICE an
. the latter had asked him what he kne
: about the presidents letter.
!, ''I told him I knew considerable abol
! It" said the witness. 'as we PRACTICAL
wrote IL In the secretary's office.
He said he told Brown in the stricte
j, confidence but that subsequently BROW
q called him on the telephone and told nj
/, that he himself was likely to be called ;
!. A witness In the matter and that
q thought IL would be fairer for kerby
il take the stand and testify Directly,
. Kerby said he told Brown that ne wou
. prefer 10 talk first 10 Mr.. Garfeld aoo
! the matter, and that Brown replied IN
d Garfield would be In town In few day
/. night when he learned Garfield was ther
y and he chanced to find Mr. Pinchot al
= Brandeis there also. He said Carrie
le appeared surprised TO see him. 49,,
After Kerby had told Brown that
s. would prefer 70 talk first TO Mr. Ga
IT field about the matter, and that Brov
D. replied that Garfield would he In toV
I. in a few days. He went 10 Pincho
2t home. he said. one night when he learn
y GARFIELD was there. and he chanced
t. find Mr.. Pinchot and Brandeis there al:
d, He said Garfield appeared surprised
- After Kerby had told Garfield his ste
- the latter told him he did not want h
10 to endanger his position and would /
have him called as witness unless
IL Mr. DENLY: ..why did you assume u
air giving testimony would necessitate yc
no disnissal?"
nd Knew Fate Of CLAWS.
ne ne Mr. Kerby: II knew what happened
n Claws.
.nS The witness added he had not entel
~ into an analysis OF the Importance
~ the matter. He said he believed.
~ had proved to be the case. that the m
ter would create sensation, and q
,as Mr.. Ballinger would not care TO ret
,r him If ne made communication OF &
err character.
'he Asked II he had mentioned the tn
nd 80 any one else. Mr.. Kerby said he sp'
IN Of 1t TO Perry Arnold. a newspaper frie
,,,r who. he said, expressed surprise that
al president should have been able 20 ?
Ing pare his letter In such a short time af
ac the facts had been laid before him.
GER said he told the newspaper man in C
her fdence what had occurred and that
An latter had observed the confidence.
Mr. Kerby said he gave his staten
ate TO Robert F. Wilson. Cleveland ne
mr. paper man. who had been introduced
as him week ago Sunday night by
sty newspaper friend.
ort You knew all these people were
Ing friendly 10 Ballinger?" inquired Mr.. '
ned trees