The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1910-05-18

about losing his position. Kerby replied I
he had boon assured by Mr.. Wilson that
Newspaper Enterprise association OF
Cleveland. O., with which Wilson was
connected. He said he had received no
Senator Nelson: You haven't been
mustered in YETI
Kerby. II can't say that ] have"
Mr. Denby said the committee was not
seeking to hide anything and that II the
witness knew anything oboat the depart
ment which he thougl;: the committee
should know he should relate IT. Kerby
said no wouldn't care to go Into that
without first examining Balllngers CORE
spondence with Thompson and other pa
nars which Mr.. Brandels had called for
last Friday. but which had not yet ar
rived from the department.
He said MT the present time he did not
desire to make any statement
MIR. Vertrees wanted TO know II mat
ters he had mentioned were all he knew
to the discredlt of Mr.. Ballinger, Kerhy
but he objected to the use of the word
''dIscredit" He added however. that he |
thought If Ballnger believed Newell In
competent he should have told him so.
Moreover. he did not think Thompson was
the proper man for the place He admit |
ted he based his opinion OF him on the |
correspondence Thompson had with Sal-
Mir Kerby Mt great length detailed the
circumstances which led him 10 make
public his statement. He told OF visits
said he had many conferences with them
Referring to his understanding that " he
lost his position he would be provided
"Otherwise could not ha vedone what
I did"
Expected to Be Fired,
Then II was agreed, said Mr. Yer.
trees, before you made your statement
that if you would make 1t you would be
Not because made the statement
but because l would be fred replied
Kerby. o,.
You understood you would be hred?'
81 certainly did"
He said these reporters came to MIN
and asked him for the story for pupllca-
II explained to them" Kerby contin-
ued, "that l would not publish the facts
but that l was willing to be called DC
fore the committee TO testify -,
Later Wilson and Arnold he said.
brought Colver and Rickey TWO oomer er
with his wife, Ho told them 1t would would
not be proper 10 make the statement they
suggested and they appeared saustie'
with that decision on his part par o,omoran-
dunn came to the department. lteroy
said, Stenographer Massey. who also Ms
sisted Assistant Attorney Genera ,Ls lava nc
in preparing his memorandum LOT rorr tme
president said TO Private Secretary SaIFt
You know what that means. don
you?" 4
Mr.. Colver told him he had come from
Cleveland for a story and instead mad
| found a man. -, 49,.
ANY time I wanted TO get out OF ne
interior department, the %tt1ess - suIT 10
me would see that l was taken care ol.
| He said they were constantly on tns
| lookout FOR young men whom theg cou.o o
| use and he would be ready 10 oHor INC
.Tbe next day l read the testimony Of
Secretary Ballinger. In which he denied
| any knowledge OF the Lawler meulotahI
| DUN and he made statements whch
did not believe to be true The commit
| tee apparently wanted none OF that teS-
tlmony and the matter was closed.
''In my opinion. therefore, l .Ti coutu no NO.
be called as a witness TO rebut testlrnohS
| that was not admitted on direct eNalhi-
nation.
.Mr. Lawler had also made the state
ment that no copies OF th1t 'hoa,iO ss prt nnt
dunn had been retained That was no'
true FOR i'm fact four copies were mace
"Mr. Brandeis told me-" he continued
that he believed the action OF the com, n
rnittee cut mo of from showing "ha
the facts were. ! came TO the cohciu
sion that the only thing for me 10 d'
was to make the facts public. MT. pa
linger had said all the facts shoulo p'
made public, and l determined 10 give
the story TO the newspapers +,
Mr., Kerby said he considered the IN
formation as having material pendaI pearinI'
r upon the investigation. Mr.. Brandel
had previously made a call for the memo
rnnda, which he said ought TO hay
elected this information Therefore, ~
was the only one through "hoh II CVH'
be made public.
Accidentally Saw the Notes.
Kcrbv explained how he knew the mem
: oranda referred 10 was in the lnteVlo
; denartment. He had accidentally see
: tho paper in the desk Of Private Secre
"Massey told me l ought not to loo
at III" said Kerby ~ am sorry myseI
, that l saw it c.,
!. He explained that he thought Secre
the memorandum Lawler prepared tC
. the president. Pressed for his kno"
y ledge that Mr.. Ballinger had examine
= | it, the witness said: ,,
: The witness told how he allowed n
y note books TO be photographed o,,
d You took il opt and ~,raas mad 1t pho'e
y You bet I did" snapped the witnes
;: You made this statement from sens
Of faty to ossS 5ss ggenator gge6S afS Purce 9 ."' w
a "I certainly did
. questioned Kerby sharply AS 10 the nei
" tal process by which he had reached II
. conclusion TO make public the memorai
n dunn Senator Sutherland asked him
~ he thought the man who was looklr
for a trustworthy stenographer Wou
20 nosy employ him. Kerby thought go'
~ many would. but under the circur
-, stances admitted that a good maj
would not. ia -
-. did YOU consider that you shoulo co
- ceal Information in the Interest OF yo
n, m superior TO the detriment OF the cou
=, try?" asked Mr.. James (Democrao.
IL "I did not That was entirely
., basis of my action.
ar Question of Obligation.
"To which did you consider your oh
cation greater, your superior or yo
ex-superlor?" inquired Mr. OlmsIe
to (Republican). evidently meaning ex-Se
retary Garfield
ed 'If one was right and the other wro
OF I would consider my obligation strone
as | to the one who was right.
II When the afternoon session began
at room was crowded. Kerby continued u
in der examination by members of the Co
lat mittee He pointed out alleged missta
ments in Mr.. Ballinger's testimony
ng fore the committee regarding the La
Ike Ter memorandum :,
ID He said Ballinger knew all the c
he cuustances in the preparation or
re- mcmora ndum and that Mr.. Lawler s.
IN that he II