New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1910-10-20
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Elder. said that he went to Albany with
Hyde TO do the rest. and HYDE was not
familiar with the ropes And here Nc
4 Carren could not see why an outsider
should be brought in TO pass out all that
I money. and he spoiled the whole game
/ by holding UP the payment To L'Hom-
medieu. and this he considered said Mr..
Elder. quoting Gardner. the trick that
McCarren played that really caused the
/ passage Of the bill"
! There was TO he a Wall Street corrup-
tion fund also. and. according 10 the tes-
! timony. Gardner expected to handle it
+ II was Tirren. the Eagle" man, who
was accused Of taking $500. who told Of
that. Gardner said To him. Tirrell said
4 am just starting in this business re
garding legislation. and expect to de-
velop il 7 viii take an office on 42d
street and I expect to make a big 20 Of
this
Did he state that ne expected reso~
luton offered there to investigate Wall
Street and he expected or hoped TO get
the job TO take care Of it, Mr.. Bruce
asked.
He did say something about that n
substance" Mr.. Tirrell said
Day Full Of Sensations.
The story came ont in big chunks
yesterday-so fast that there was hardly
time TO draw breath between the sensa-
tons First there was the story IN the
morning of Foelker's experience told by
hirns and John X Maxwell ard Floyd
7 Adams. according TO which Gardner
| tried twice TO hribe Foelker and Foelker
refused the money. And in the after
| noon there came the story Of the half
million dollar corruption fund. and Gard
ner's story through Mr.. Elder Of the
reason why Foelker voted against the
raoetrack men and the declaration that
he did get the money, though he did not
earn It.
/ Mr.. Elder was the first witness ar the
| afternoon session. and Judge Bruce.
| counsel to the committee. plunged right
into the story Of corruption.
Are you acquainted with Frank !
Gardner, who previously represented the
9Th Senate District If the State Of New
York;" he asked.
Il am said Mr.. Elder. and he took Up
the talk he had with Gardner in the
Office of the District Attorney Of Kings
County in March. 1910. saying that he
got hold of Gardner through Henry !
Goldsmith. Gsrdner's attorney. and told
him that he wanted information about
the attempts to defeat the racetrack
bill in 1905. because there were indict-
-
He said he was not sure that he cared
II say much about it," Mr. Elder con
tinued We had a little further con-
versation or that. the exact terms Of
which do not now recall and finally he
said,
You know how that money was got
together. don't you?' said had heard
various reports about II. but that I
could not say that did know.
Tells OF Deinronico Meeting
Then he said that he did not mind
telling ne that there was 4 meeting at
II Delmonicos At which the money was
subscribed; and he mentioned 70 me the
names Of certain persons who. he said.
! were present at this meeting. He said
that James Keene was there and that
David Mitchell was there and that Par
l sons was there and that Harry Payne
Whitney was there and that Charles H.
HYDE was there and the representatives
n the bookmak ers were there be
reve he said the Metropolitan Turf AS
socia+ion. and he mentioned the names
of other men who he said were there.
Tfo-r IL cT
occur n me
He said q subscription was made ND
Of money to take 70 Albany 70 defeat
this bill He said that 4 dispute after
ward arose as TO who should handle this
money. that 1928 600 Of it was handled
Fy Jim Ciaffney. and that this money
vas 70 take care Of either three or four
members Of the Legislature-as he said,
-Tamuanv men in the Legislature
He said that Of this sum Grady got
only Oo1 He said: You can imagine
how much the others got If he got only
! that He said he didn't know where
/ the rest Of that fund OF S125,00n went
he said that he was in Albany with
charley HYDE: that he went there with
HYDE because Hyde didn't understand
the WAYS as well as he did. and that he
| knew how TO approach the people there
and how TO make the arrangements with
them
Il asked him how large this fund was
and he said IT was considerable
7 said 7 had heard It was as much as
so50n0O He said. More than that /
then asked il ii was 100000, and again
/ he said More than that
Then I said. How much was II,
Frank He replied: IF you had said
| half > million you would have been
nearer right
Says McCarren Spoiled Plan.
He said that Senator McCarren vas
1,arv angry because he didn't have the
handling Of this money He said he was
disrleased that Gaffney should have
handled the S125. 600. and he was also
displeased that what was left Of the
fund after that had been taken out was
NO, given 10 him to handle Re said
that AIcCarren expressed his displeasure
At the idea Of A strange man coming up
there and trying to get away with such
hiR proposition and not taking him IN