New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1910-07-08
WHO GOT THE BONUSES?
All but One Paid by Cash Checks,
Saws Chairman.

The question of who got the $4,000 bonus
Maid bv c w. Chapman to get loan OF
$4,000 from the Carnegie Trust Company
is still up in the air Chapman says ne
Maid the money by checks, which were
handed over to Charles c. Dickinson, at
that time president Of the trust company
and by Nj Dickinson passed over to the
loan clerk Sampson. The trust company
saws that il has no record Of any such
transaction.
CHAPMAN is an excitable and diseursive
person, but from his conversational tangle
Yesterday afternoon was unwoven the
statement that on the occasion OF eacn OF
his loans he had paid the commission by
check on the Carnegie Trust Company to
Charles G Dickinson. The checks. with
one exception. were made to cash but
one the largest. for $1,000. was made to the
Carnegie Trust Company and afterward.
according to Chapman, passed through the
Clearing House The others, he said, bore
no Endorsement Chapman said that all
these checks had been turned over to As
sistant District Attorney Deford.
When Joseph 3. Reiohnan. president of
the trust company. was told of this state
ment by Chapman he said;
The trust company knows nothing OF
any bonus on these loans. It only knows
that Chapman owes it $4,000, and it wants
the money
But Chapman says that he paid the slS.-
COO to Mr. Dickinson for the company" Mr..
Eeiehrnsn ives told
Il don't now anything about any
bonus Mr. Reichrnan repeated.
That has the effect Of saying that Mr.
Dickinson put the money in his pocket"
was SAID
II DON'T know ANYTHING about Mr.. Dick
fnson's business" Mr.. Reichrnan replied,
but I don't believe he took the money"
Statement for the Company.
Mr. Reichman said that he had not ex-
arairled the books Of the company, and re-
ferred inquirers to Leo R Brilles, the trust
eompany's lawyer. who had gone into the
affair thoroughly. Mr. Brilles gave out t.-e
following statement:
I have read the accounts in the news
note given by Mr.. Chapman was tainted
with usury. Such a charge is ridiculous.
We have evidence In our possession TO snow
that the transaction was bona. fde in every
respect, I believe that the defence of usury
was inserted for the express purpose Of
gaining time and of preventing the entry
pror7issory note, the making and delivery
OF the note are admitted. and unless some
defence had been inserted in the answer
We would have taken Judgment by default
7 am confident that we Will be able to OBJ
tain judgment at the trial OF this ACTON.
and show that the charge Of usury is false
and absurd
II is singular that such a charge should
be raised by the defence in this action SUB
seauent to the death Of c. c, Dickinson; ine
former president Of the Carnegie Trust
Company. All the associates OF Mr. DICK
inson who remain in the bank at the pres
emf time deny emphatically any such PIT
L.
Chapman. and to our best knowledge ana
belief. supported by the records OF me
entered into between Mr.. Dickinson and MI
Chapman.
He said that the books Of the bank
showed only a regular loan transaction
the making of the various loans, paying of
the interest and renewal of the loans ana
interest. There was no record on the books,
he said, of any bonus having been paid Tor
the loans When it was suggested to MN
that he had put it UP TO Mr.. Dickinson, as
Mr. Reichnan had, Mr.. Brilles said:
Say Dickinson Got No Bonus.
.fCllr books DO not show that any bonus
was paid. and DO not believe that Mr.
Dickinson took any money" He added
that the checks told of by Chapman might
very well have been cashed by him
Stanton Dickinson. brother of c. c. Dick
inson. said that he did not know anything
about the transaction, but that he did not
believe his brother took any money for
making the loans.
Chairman went TO the District Attorneys
Office Yesterday and had long talk with
Mr. Deford. He said afterward that ne
had asked to look at the checks with
which he had paid the bonuses, but that
ne had been told to walt until the grand
Jury mad acted. Chapman said he wanted
to be called as a witness before the grand
fury. but that the District Attorney would
not have him.
When Chapman was asked whey he had
consented to pay such large bonuses for
the loans he said that the money did not
come out of his pocket, but that Wellborn
had TO pay it, and pay him Chapman
commission in addition for getting the loan
Acting District Attorney Mott was
closeted for nearly two hours yesterday
afternoon with Assistant District Attor-
news Deford and Perkins. Mr.. Perkins is
the expert of the District Attorneys office
who draws up indictments. The three
went over the Carnegie Trust case in all OF
its details and mapped out the indictments
II is expected that two indictments will be
handed down by the grand jury next Tues
day or Wednesday