Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1910-03-05

ton. He declared that he and Mr.. Pm
chot would have admitted in the first
place that his information was based al
most entirely on the documents and the
testimony of other witnesses In the case.
| Mr.. .Pinchot proceeded to make this
statement.
| Mr.. Vertrees said he was trying to bring
out the fact that Mr. Pinchot's charges
the resentment that arises In the bosom
of discharged public servant"
Mr. Eertrees said he sought also to show
that IL Mr.. Ballinger CHANGED in any way
| to make a misstatement based on his
best knowledge and belief. it was "a de-
] ception of the President" whereas mis-
statements made to the President by the
witness were simple mistakes"
Mr.. Pinchot declared that the NUMBER
and complexity Of the documents submit
ted to the President were such that no.
body in his position could have considered
every phase Of the question.
witness
Mr.. Madison Protests.
Representative Madison remarked that
he was getting tired of having witness
interpret documents for him, and he pro-
tested vigorously against counsel on potn
sides calling the attention or witnesses
to written documents and asking them 10
construe these documents
proceed said Chairman nelson ,
well get along the best way We can:
ATTORNEY Pepper admitted that his al
rect examination of the witness mad oeeh
based largely upon Mr., Pinchot's INFER
ences and conclusions from things in the
record
And you see what that leads to- re-
plied the chairman. 1T 1uStlnes MI;
Vertrees in going into the inferences anu
conclusions on cross-exaHliha'ion.
ceed."
questioning was brought to the admls-
sion that Mr.. Ballinger's statement 70
the President was to the effect that ac-
cording to Schwartz's answer. the record
shows ETC., and that it was not an
original statement by the Secretary.
Mr.. Balinger had to rely upon mr v tine
| trees argued with the witness, just as
the witness had relied wholly upon the
statements OF others in his charges
against the Secretary of the Interior
Pinchot's Letter to Dolliver.
| Mr.. Vertrees here switched to Mr. Pin
chot's motives in writing the letter to
Senator Dolliyer, which caused his re-
moval.
that the cases of Messrs. Price and Shaw
should be presented at the same al NJ tm9 Ra a.
finger. and because Mr.. Dolliver asked
me to-
| did YOU consider whether or not THAI
letted would cause your removal by the
President"
II thought 1t was about an even chance
whether / would be removed or not"
And you decided to take the CHANGER
Yes"
resign. although the relations between
YOU and the President were as cordial as
| the letters you have introduced here have
| shown"
Il had told the President Wouid not
| resign
when did you first make up your
mind to assault Secretary Ballinger?
The witness protested against the
form of the question, SAYING ne mao
mot made up his mind to attack Score.
tary Ballinger; he did decide to DEFEND
the policy of conservation.
Representative Graham protested thas
Mr. Vertrees was always wrapping up
differences" in his questions.
AS to his charges against Mr.. Bal
finger. Mr.. Pinchot said he made up
his mind to prefer them about ten days
before he wrote to the President.
The cross-examination ended with the
statement by Mr.. Pinchot that he was
not aware OF any movement having
for it's purpose the removal or Secre'
tary Ballinger.
Attorney Pepper conducted brlei re
direct examination OF the witness.
Source of Pinchot's Information.
To make Mr.. Pinchot's position entirely
clear. Mr.. Pepper asked him if his infor-
nation regarding Mr.. Ballinger had all
heen gained from documents and state
ments of other witnesses
with one exception that Is true.
what is the exception" asked Sen
II learned from Mr.. Ballinger himself
his attitude against the Leasing OF coal
| lands" .,.
Attorney Pepper also got into trouble
with the committee by going over ground
| already covered. and was asked to be as
| brief as possible.
| Mr.. Vertrees stated that he would like
to have about five minutes with the wit
| ness on re-cross-examination this after
| noon.
Pinchot Put on Defensive.
| Former Forester Clifford Pinchot was
transferred from the role of accuser to
| that of defendant by the questions Of
Attorney Vertrees, counsel for Secretary
BaIlinger. at yesterday afternoons SEES
| sion of the investigating committee. The
| deposed chief of the bureau OF forestry
/ was asked many questions about his
policy in the conduct of the forestry bu-
| reau.
about his sending forest rangers to
schools in the west while they were on
/ the government pay rolls. and about his
y dfSpatcnlng OmclalS OI the DuIcdu "
| talk before college classes. Young Mems
| Christian Associations and women 8
/ clubs. even to Canada. The witness de-
| clared that he thought the expenditures
| were lawful under the broad authority
of the law providing for the preservation
| of the forests.
| Attorney yertrees ran through a list of
| bureau expenditures to point out the
| items which involved travelling expenses.
| The items were like the following:
| Bristow Adams, Washington to Chi
| cago, to meet members of wOmen's clubs
| with regard to extension Of forest educa-
ton, $77.31.
Fred u Plummer. Washington to Bling
| hamton, N. T., to lecture at Y. NJ. G..
| A. on forestry, $3O.70.
i r. E. Arnold, trip through the west to
/ confer with local law officers and lecture
| on forestry at the University of Michi-
gan, $685.
Don Carlos Ellis. educational talks at
Seattle exposition. $l52.S5.
| Answering questions OF Attorney YER
trees. MIR. Pinchot gave an extended
account of the practice of placing 80
| or 200 forest rangers in western col
| leges to take forestry courses. He adj
| mitted that he was in doubt whether
| or not he told Secretary Wilson about
the policy. He maintained. however,
| that the broad right of the forestry bu-
reau to devise means to protect the for
ests gave the forestry bureau the legal
right to educate it's foresters.
Convicted Man Paralyzed.