The San Francisco call., 1910-05-08
Federal Agent
DENIES STORY
OF BALLINGER
H. 7. Jones Interrupts Inquiry
to Correct Statement of
interior Secretary
CLAWS Counsel Secures Admis'
sion of Intention to 'Kill
More Snakes"


II. T. Jones. the intimate friend of L.
R. Claws, who Indirectly questioned a
statement made by the witness, Secre-
tary Ballinger at the afternoon ses-
sion served notice that if he continued
as the head of the interior department
there was going to be some more
snake killing" and il would be kept
Up until the last snake was dead.
Attorney Brandeis. who has been
cross examining the secretary for the
last three days, wanted TO know just
who was TO be dropped from the serv-
ice. but Ballinger said the enumeration
would occur in good time.
COMMITTEE STOPS CLASHES
IF I am TO continue to conduct the
ansirs OF the department. said the
secretary, ''it viii be with the loyal
support Of every man in the depart
ment"
BaIiinger and Brandeis got along a
great deal better today. There were
fewer clashes than yesterday. This
probably was due to the fact that the
examination took less interesting
turn-having to do largely with COM
ments-snd also to the fact that the
attorney was constantly interrupted by
members Of the committee. 1t was
necessary for the stenographers often
10 90 back over several pages of notes
10 recur 70 the question last asked by
the attorney
The committee viii meet on four
days next week in the hope that the
cross examination of Ballinger may be
concluded within that time.
DENUNCIATIoN FOR CLAWS
Brandeis read several pages of
Claws testimony TO Ballinger and
asked him TO interrupt wherever he
considered there was a misstatement.
The secretary then declared he had
never told CLAWS, when he put him in
charge Of the Alaska cases, that he
had any friends whe were interested in
Alaska. CLAWS mentioned II. c. Henry
AMI c. J. Smith as two of the friends
to whom Ballinger referred.
II did not know at that time that
either Henry or Smith had the slight
est interest in coal lands in Alaska"
said the secretary.
Bailinger bitterly denounced CLAWS
for falling in with this conspiracy of
Pinchot and the Others" in going to
the president with his complaint. He
should have gone TO his superior.
Schwartz. in whom he has testified
that he had the fullest confidence"
ENTRANCE OF GUGGENHEIM
Brandeis called BalIinger's attention
the Cunningham claims were clear
listed for patent. Cunningham had
written to Daniel Guggenheim that he
was assured that the matter OF the
patents would be cleared up in go days;
that Miles c. Moore had visited Wash
ington and that the clear listing quick
" followed the acceptance of the Gug-
genheim option.
Can you suggest anything that will
explain these coincidences?" asked the
attorney in the mildest sort of voice.
4 have no knowledge of any of these
transactions" replied Secretary Bal
linger. Il knew nothing of the Gug-
genheim option until after this in
vegtigation began
DENIALS OF FRIENDSHIP
Il should not be called upon TO ex-
plain condolences that know nothing
at all about. As TO Cunningham's let
ters to Guggenheim, it looks like a
pretty strong statement he was making
in trying 10 get Guggenheim to come
through on some deal they had in
mind"
BsIlinger said that he knew Henry
and Smith fairly well, but had never
been associated with them in business.
He knew Miles c. Moore even less in
timstely, The secretary said that
large number of the Alaskan claimant
were connected with companies with
which he had had professional rela-
tions.
OBJECTION TO ARGUMENT
The examination began this morning
with further questions as to the clear
listing of the Cunningham claims on
the Love report and a series OF in
euiries as to the technical difference
between ''locators'' and "entrymen."
Brandeis soon complained that Bal
nnger was indulging in argument
rather than answering questions.
L am giving you facts, but you
don't seem to want them" said the
secretary.
Il don't want misstatements," re-
marked counsel
you are not getting any misstate-
ments from me"
Il am afraid I am"
You had better be afraid, for 1 am
going to answer you Just as the facts
are"
u certainly hope so, Mr.. Secretary"
Several members asked If the hearing
could not be expedited by Hcutting OUT
the exchanges between counsel and
witnesses.
Senator Sutherland (R) said that
Brsndeis was the first to offend, but
Representative Graham CD insisted
that the fault lay with Ballinger.
AFFLAGSE n HUM SObl<lC
BaIIinger soon turned the tables on
BFandeis and said that his questions
were arguments rather than interro-
gatoFy.
The attorney was attempting to reply
TO this when Chairman Nelson inter-
jected:
1T might help senators to under
stand that counsel is trying this case
for the other table, the press table.
and not this one
7 am endeavoring to try this case
70 the best of my ability and to the
best interests
Senator Fletcher CD here inter
rupted to remark:
Il want TO say that this case is not
only being tried for this committee and
congress, but for the country"
Applause started by a group of
women spectators was quickly sup
pressed.
Brsndeis spent some time with Sec
retsry Ballinger on the subject of the
standing OF Special Agent Horace T.
Jones Ia the land Office prior to the time
he testified for Claws and after he
made Ssz statement 20 the committee.
The secretary said he knew little OF
nothing about Jones.
In 1907, I think" he proceeded.
Sepeciel Agent Edward W. Dixon said
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