The Detroit times. [volume] (Detroit, Mich.) 1903-1920, 1910-01-06
WE'LL BE DAMNED If
WE'LL GIVE UP OUR GUNS
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In Corporation Counsel Hallys once.
Wednesday afternoon. between Presi-
dent Jere G.. Hutchins and General
Manager y. w. Brooks OF the De-
troit United railway. and Aid. HARPER.
Gilman. Allen. Watson. owen. Zink,
Shapland, Korte. Theisen and Tossy.
representing the committees on tran
ehises and ways and means.
Willing To Build Extensions.
The ID. u. II. is willing 10 build sey.
cral much needed extensions Of lines
this summer, without a franchise. ani
il will consider formulating "a plan for
universal transfers on workingmen's
tickets during the worl1ingmen's
hours The alternative on the city's
part Is to start litigation In the courts
by increasing the daily rental charged
the D. u. r.
Another meeting will be held with
in q short time at which more definite
conclusions will be reached. No re-
duction In fare on the present fve-
cent lines will be made until per-
manent settlement Is reached. Ibis
was told to the aldermen by Hutchins,
Wednesday afternoon. as he had told
II To the mayor previously.
I'VE cannot build these extensions
by the sale OF bonds unless we have
franchise for them therefore we
must build them out OF our earnings;
TO produce the earnings, We must keep
the rate Of fare as Ii Is for the time
being" that was the philosophy OF the
ID. u. r. position as explained by It's
president.
Most OF the aldermen present
agreed that street railway extensions
are vitality needed by the city on &C.
count OF it's rapid growth. They men
toned the Chene. Harper. Mack ana
Myrtle lines as requiring double-track'
ing or looping. They also wanted TWO
new lines. one an extension OF the
Third line out Hamilton boulevard
and the other north and south cross
town line. to be an extension OF the
present Cross-town line and to run on
Junction-ave. and some parallel street.
The Harper line Is. and the Juntion-
ave. line would be. three-cent line.
Answer Promised Soon.
President Hutchins was not sure
that all these lines could be built
this summer. but promised to report
back TO fhe aldermen soon. he Was
trifie dubious about the proposal
of an interchangeable workingmen
ticket Or universal transfers on WORK
ingmen's tickets. This would result
ia decrease in d. U. r. revenues.
end he stated that he would have 10
defer his answer.
AT present a man paying his fare
on the Forrest car with Il green eight
til ri r.
mems hours cannot transfer 10 any
other nve-cent line and vice versa.
Neither can a patron OF the three.
cent lines transfer to the WOODWARD
or other hve-cent lines during work
ingmen's hours on three-cent ticker.
That means a great many nickel lares
are paid for the transfer privilege
IL the d. L. r. accepts this PROPOSE
ton, Il will mean that passenger
paying his fare on any line between
and $50 in the morning and 4:4o
and 5:45 in the afternoon with an
eight-for-a.Quarter ticket can get
transfer to any other line.
Aid. Gilman tried TO get President
Hutchins to discuss a rate or eight
tickets for quarter, but the latter
smiled and kept still.
will you consider any rate or
fare less than i've cents?' inquired
Gilman. referring to the fve-cent
lines on which portions OF the fran
chise have expired.
I'VE already have an average rate
OF fare less than that parted the
ID. l.. r. head.
When the talk Of extensions came.
Aid. Gilman tried to get in with
plan to have the Springwells plug
line coupled onto the present Cross.
town line. He was the only one pres
ent who favored any such deal, the
other aldermen declaring that a new
west side north and south line ought
to run directly through to West JET.
ferson-ave. Then Gilman began to
show signs OF opposition to the FORM
ulating Of any plan.
Extensions Once Rejected.
The extensions Of lines mentioned
were all voted on once and rejected.
Since then the city has grown so rap
idly that they are much more neces-
sary than they were when the spe-
cial election was held 1t Is also the
fact that the decision regarding them
must be made soon unless their build
ing Is TO so over until 1911, orders
for track parts having to be made
with the steel mills six months be-
fore delivery can be expected.
The aldermen whc favor the extern
sions say that The street railway ques-
ton should be settled by the time that
the new lines are hui,t. No new fran
chise rights are involved In their con
struction, and the growth In taxable
valuations would bC immense. Prac-
tically every householder In the Ham
i,ton. boulevard district has signed q
petition FOR the building Of that line.
II is claimed that its construction
would result In the building of hundreds
of new homes, AID the increase Of The
assessed valuations in the Fourth and
Sixth wards by several millions or
dollars.
IF the Forest.ave. east line goes
through, IL will mean that lots which
arc now worth 1926 in the Seventeenth
ward will he wo:th $780, stated Aid.
korte Wednesday after the conference.
In spite Of the fact that the atti'
tudes OF the aldermen and the ID. u.
r. had both been made public before
the conference, Corporation Counsel
Hally took every precaution to have
the conference absolutely secret.
Police Officer Wash was stationed In
the corridor leading TO Hally's private
office, where the conference was on.
Aid. Deimel went up against the bar
rier but as he did not belong to either
the franchises or ways and means
committee. he was turned back.