The San Francisco call., 1910-05-14
BALLNGER HAS
Man READY TO
ASSUME BLAME
h. ii. Schwartz Takes RESPONSE
biIity for Clear Listing the
Cunningham Claims
Secretary EndeayOrs to Show
Conspiracy for His Removal
From Public Life

the Cunningham claims and the con-
duct Of those cases before the general
land Office was assumed by H. H
Schwartz. chief of the field service,
who was a witness before the Balling-
er-Pinchot investigating committee to-
day.
Schwartz laid the blame for the de-
lay in reaching conclusion in the
Alaska cases at the door of L. R. Gla-
Wis. 10 whom. he said. he had given all
latitude in investigating them. He said
that Ballinger had never taken any
initial action in those cases. and that
when he had clear listed" them as
commissioner of the land office. he had
done so on his CSchwartzD recommend
alton on the basis of the report Of
Special Agent Love.
COMMITTEE KEPT LAUGHING
Attorney Vertrees, counsel for Bal
Hnger, questioned Schwartz for several
hours. and his ready answers and quick
wit kept the committee in an uproar.
BalIinger was excused from the stand
this morning with the understanding
that he might be recalled for further
cross examination.
While Schwartz was speaking of a
last summer he said that they incident
ally discussed the clash between the
land Office and the fore stry bureau.
Nertrees asked him TO tell to what
he attributed the quarrel
There always will be friction as
long as the forestry bureau and the
and Office are in two different depart
ments. They should both be either in
the department Of agriculture or in the
interior department. and. being in the
interior department" he added with a
smile I think they should be in that
department"
PRAISE FOR GOVERNMENT
one Of the members Of the committee
was inQuiring of Schwartz whether he
did not think another department was
needed, when Representative Graham
CdcmocraI) broke in:
Don't YOU think we need another
government?
Why" retorted Schwartz quickly;
'r-hv. we've got the hest government
Dn earth. All We need is a little better
fellows TO run il.
Your complaint. then. is against the
-ellows who run the government
asked Representative Madison.
or against the fellows who make
TIE laws 10 run IT, was the sharp re-
ply Madison Joined in the general
laughter.
FOREST SERVICE ATTACKED
I'M concluding his cross examination
OF Ballinger today. Attorney Pepper, |
counsel for Clifford Pinchot. introduced /
= letter written by Don N. Carr, Bal /
fingers private secretary. and printed /
Rs an advertisement IN the Montgomery !
Times Of Mount Ida, Ark. reading as
follows
i is suggested that as congress
probably VIII at an early date make
AN examination Of the mana cement
of the forest service you might with
proprietv secure such afIidaYits of
tile character referred TO in your
editorial and submit them both 10
The committee having charge OF the
investigation, OF which Hon knute
Nelson. United states senator, viii
probably be chairman.
Pepper also presented the following
from the same paper:
We would call the homesteaders'
attention 10 the letter from the de-
uartment OF the interior published
la The upper right hand corner of
our editorial page. This ;etter is
from an under Secrctary- In addi-
f5on we have personal letter from
Secretary Ballinger himself You
are requested 10 send US your afi
davit in reference TO irregularities
charged against the forest service
ou our article on the first page.
3ou need not fear that you will
iail 10 make proof on account or I
such affidavit we VIII guard your
interests.
The letter and editorial were intro
duced by Pepper in answer TO q state
ment yesterday by Chairman Nelson
that BE had received a large number
OF complaints gainst the forest serv-
ice
LETTER SENT TO EDITOR
Ballinger said he knew nothing
about Carr's letter. which bore date of
January 3 last, but on redirect exami-
nation he said he had received a letter
from the editor OF the paper late in
Decent Der stating that there were many
complaints in that locality against the
forest service. He offered in evidence
his reply TO the editor in which he
said that the matter was not within
the jurisdiction of his department.
When Pepper asked Ballinger if he
did not think the conspiracy" which
he had referred to might have been a
defensive combination OF those who
were heart and soul for a policy to
which he was known TO be opposed
Ballinger replied:
ct was a most amazingly wicked
defense"
He then took from his pocket a long
resume. which he said would show the
existence Of a conspiracy to remove him
from public life.
ATTACK ON PINCHoT
Ballinger said Pinchot had acted
steadily" as an officer and a citizen to
bring about the removal of a man
whom he regarded as not only an un-
faithful public servant. but also as an
enemy to the great principles of con-
servation.
He said that Pinchot had advised
CLAWS to lay his charges before the
president and had given him a letter
OF Introduction. He referred to Gov
ernor Pardee's speech at the Spokane
irrigation congress, in which he seri-
ously reflected on me" and said it
was made after Pardee had visited with
Pinchot.
lie spoke Of Pinchot's alleged state
ment to George Otis Smith, in which
the forester was alleged TO have called
Ballinger a yellow dog" Baliinger
said that Pinchot had denounced him
thus becaues he had overturned some
OF Garield's work
I guess the yellow dog and the
snakes about balance each other, don't
they2" interrupted Pepper.
Ballinger replied that he had never
spoken Of Pinchot disparagingly, be-
fore he had taken the stand, and that
Pinchot was not one Of the snakes"