Mineral Point tribune. (Mineral Point, Wis.) 1869-1938, 1910-08-04


don't think so.
Q. You havn't any knowledge whatever Of any
receipt bookl A. don't think so. OF course =
there had been any sales made the superintend-
ent always reported them.
Q. Did he report at the regular monthly meet
ings or at the annual meeting! A. AT the regu-
lar monthly meetings
o. There was no record kept OF these sales by
the trustees2 a. No more than that the sales
were made and the money was turned over 20
the treasurer.
O. He left no copy with the trustees relative to
these salesY A. don't think SO. | couldn't say
whether he had any private book or not or
whether II was entered in the regular journal
but know whenever there were any sales made
II was always spoken of, what II was ana what
the amount was.
Q. II he had private book or memorandum
book containing these sales, don't you think u
would be the property of the trustees? A. Wen.
should think they would have 'rtect access
TO il.
Q. Shouldn't they have that book? A. think
that wOuld-be alright, because the only sort of
evidence you have is the papers or vouchers that
we're given for this money when II was turned
over TO the County Treasurer
Q. Did he always exhibit to you the vouchers
for the sale Of these certain articles or stock to
whom sold, the weights, and detailed state
meut OF the price paid or anything OF that
kind A. cannot say with regard to that.
9. You don't recall his having made such eN'
hibits do your A. 1t may have been spoken OF,
but don't think that l ever any written
statement. think If there were any cattle or a
q
amount per hundred weight. ! don't think
ever saw any written statement.
g. Did he exhibit written statement from the
people to whom he sold these things TO satisfy
the trustees that the county was getting an they
were entitled too! A. Well, he may have. but /
could not say,
Q. You accepted his verbal statement thenl
A. | supposed there account kept; that
it was put down so il could be reported TO The
County Board.
Q. How could you make mp your annual report
in June without having those figures! A. There
were figures put down. but as far as there being
put down in my presence or my seeing the
checks such as that, | don't recall TO mind.
still was always there.
.. In making up your annual report, did he
keep record of these sales and exhibit them to
you annually To aid you in making out your
report? A. / couldn't recOlect except that Per
ltins gave Us the dates and figures.
=. Did you assist in making out the annual
rep0rtI A. No.
q. Is it true Mr.. Jackson, that last fan at the
annual session of the County Board when your
report was presented that 1t had been made out
and printed before it was exhibited to you? A. I
rather think that after | came to Dodgeyille to
the session was the first time saw that report.
.. Ii was in printed form at the timer A. Yes.
Q. Had you signed that report before you saw
IL! A. ! cannot say as to that | don't roCollect
IT,.
0. Would it not be fair to assume that you
signed that reportt A. | may have. | wouldn't
say for sure that I didn't see that report until
saw it in printed form. Maybe | am mistaken
in my memory, but that is the best knowledge |
have Of itnOw
Q. The reason asked that question is, it was
reported to me, think by the superintendent,
that he made out that report and signed the
several trustees names 70 IL before submitting It
To them. l am not sure but that is my impress
ion, A. Well, unless my mind was brought back
10 il and made clear, il is just as told you in
the first place. l don't recollect signing that
report.
o. You say that Mr.. Perkins usually made
,tDV tfsl1 fr tell I4aNs fGpy-
were diSburScd, who took them aud how were
they disposed Of Did Mr., Perkins take them to
the people in whose favor they were drawn, or
were they mailed to the different Individuals
A, I am rather of the opinion that they were
mailed. | think so.
o. You don't know il Mr. Perkins brought the
vouchers to the County Treasurer and cashed
them and then disposed of the several amounts
to these creditors! A. No. hardly thiul, ne
could.
0. Do YOU know that he did in any instance?
A. l don't know that he did, but am rather OF
the opinion that they were mailed to The indi-
viduals.
Q. Did YOU ever see the clerk mail them? A. No
.. What makes YOU believe that they were
mailed! A. think that Perkins LOOKS after
that
o. Then you wouldn't be sure whether they
weremailCd or CashedY A. 1t doesn't look to me
as II he could cash checks that were drawn in
favor OF different individuals.
Q. Is it not true that they are made payable to
bearer? A. | don't know
" 10 you KNOW whether lneN are MADE pay
able to certain party, or order? A. think
they are made ont IN their name. and | cannot
say what more
Q. Has it been the custom since YOU have been
trustee for the superintendent to bring in. in a
lump sum. the amount Of salaries for the help
as well as himself and a single order made out.
or have individual orders been made to the sew
eral amployes IN attendance thereI A. The bills
that have been brought up before us have al
ways been itemized. Every time | have looked
al them it has always shown the name OF the
employee on the bill and the amount that was
due them for services
@. Have you ever spoken to these several emf
ployees and attendants and inquired If the
amount submitted TO you as their salaries is the
amount due themt A. think | spoke to one of
the Graham boys about il once.
o. DO you think il would be better TO issue
separate orders to each person that has claim
against the county! A. Yes IL probably would.
q. Il would obytate any possibility of error or
complaint on the part of the employees,
wouldn't itI A. Yes. OF course if there had
been any OF them not receiving their salary
somebody would have heard something a bout il.
Q, ! have understood that from time to time
there have been changes among the employees.
some months there would be more people en-
ployed there than at other times, Have you al
ways asCertalued or satisfied yourself that all
these people in whose favor these bills were pre-
scented were employed thcret 4. | have inquired
yes. | know there ls difference in Tia. bills for
the hired help there from month to month. OF
course SOME quit before the month is out and if
they Sannot mi the place, they are without that
help for a time
.. Would il not be possible To use a dummy in
the list OF employed help and you not know il?
A. Well, il might.
Q. DO understand that you have never in
quired into the salary each one received thereg
A. No more than in that one instance.
Q. Have you ever as trustee been consulted
by Mr.. Perkins as To the amount each one
should receiver A. We have talked about that.
We have talked about the expenses of the in.
sttutlou and the trustees have felt as though
the expenses were quite heavy and they would
like 20 take OF a little. He has always told MS
that he would like 10 do So, but he couldn't get
help for less aud he had 10 pay pretty fair
wage.
Q. DO you consider that they have any marc
help than is absolutely necessary A. Ic0uidu't
say with regard To- that / have felt that with
regard TO their field hands that probably he
could dispense with one
g.. How many men are there ia the Institution
thdt are able 20 do part Of DAYS work.
l couldu say, There may be quite a number
/ thtuN everyone there who can do somethiup
Is required 10 do something, but lust the uunI.
Der aOie to do partial days work I am unable
10 tell yuu.
q. Have you been ia the habit of scrutiuigi,ty
the invoices carefully A. Yes
o. Have you been Ia the habit Of examining
those oills aud satisfying Yourself that none of
the items have been for personal useg A Yes
q. bid you hnd any irregularities " hen Won SO
lneltJ yea lnelnt a. No. There was one bill,
doht kuo" Just how long ago. think il was a
clothing OIL, but 10 was very plain to be seen
because tt wa, marked 90 the bill that there
was some clothing aud some other little amount
besides The suit of clothes That srit WAS
9ought Tor one OF the Graham boys Who Is
helper there.
9. Was il deducted from the uvoice7 A. Yes
-. 30 Won approve Of the custom of uurrtt1s-
ing supplies tor individuals of the institution
a. wen a. ler thelr personal use, aud have them
NN NHa" 200 "a d NH "a. u.