The San Francisco call., 1910-08-21
Hitchcock Interested

| was there any word from the sec
retary of the interior?'
Nothing. beyond that Burns said
that Secretary Hitchcock was very
much interested in breaking up the
| land frauds in the west"
What was said in the way of urging
by the department of justice?'
! Nothing at all prior to the return of
the. Indictment"
| Did Burns say anything about SEN
ator Morgan's attitude?'
Il have no recollection" replied
Black. "of any mention of Senator
Morgan
That did for the morning session, but
in the afternoon Senator Stone return d
to the cupboard and raped few mo se
times at its bare shelves.
Did Burns say to the grand jury
that he had returned from Oyster Fay
and the president (Roosevelt. sa4 =
Perrin ought to be indicteG. astsed
Stone
NO" answered Black. mot to my
knowledge
Did you hear Burns say anything
to the grand jury to the effect that the
president. the secretary of the interior
or any one wanted a conviction-or
trying to make a showing that officials
| wanted an Indictment
NO., said Black. II heard rumors
that some such statement had been
made"
Did you consider that an important
factor?" continued Stone.
No; it was not important at all. only
in regard to the Washington transac-
fed"
Black stated that Burns did not talk
to the trial jurors or have anything
to do with them.
He procured the men we had to
watch the jury, but had nothing to do
with it," he said.
Heney Mentioned
The name of William ]. Burns fig
ured rather largely in the investiga-
tion yesterday and the name of Francis
j. Heney was also introduced through
the reading of part of report of
George c. Hunt, a special agent of the
land Office, who worked on the Perrin
case and expressed belief in Perrin's
innocence
Barclay Henley, attorney for the
prosecution" undertook to show that
Charles P. Smell, Perrin's nemesis, had
been engaged by Perrin as an attorney.
a fact Smell denied on the witness
stand. To contradict that allegation
Black read from the Hunt report, on
which the prosecution" placed great
reliance, to the effect that Perrin had
employed F. j. Heney when Bolton was
his attorney merely to get Heney's
protection in the Benson case. Heney
is Perrin's brother in law.
Black on Stand
All morning and during the greater
part of the afternoon Black was exam
ined by Senator Stone from the stand
point of the prosecution, and then he
was turned over to Barclay Henley for
the real work of the prosecution
Doctor Perrin interjected himself once
or twice into the proceedings, and the
doctors brother, Robert H. Perrin,
started the most excitement of the day
early in the morning session
The discussion was being waged
over the reports of Hunt and w. r.
Harr, q special attorney sent out by
the attorney general to investigate the
Perrin case. Some exhibits attached
to the two reports had been withheld
from Perrin and his counsel, according
to their charge. Black made an expla-
nation of the circumstances.
That is a lie.' loudly whispered
Robert H. Perrin.
Il heard some remark said Black,
stirred up.
1T is remark that should not have
been made" Henley hastened to state
The chairman wanted to know what
the remark was.
Il heard some one say That is
lie,'" said Black.
Il am conducting this hearing and