Evening times-Republican. [volume] (Marshalltown, Iowa) 1890-1923, 1910-04-05


to put into effect the principle enunci-
ated by Bovio at the foot Of the statue
of Giordane Bruno, the apostate priest,
when he said, We have stripped the
pope OF his temporal power and we
never will rest till we strip him of his
spiritual power as WE'LL
when Mr.. Roosevelt expressed the
wish to see the pope. it was feared he
did not know the situation was as I
have described 1t. AS a consequence
he was advised in a friendly way and
the hope was expressed that the audi
ence would not be prevented by any
incident similar to that which made
impossible the meeting between his
holiness and Fr. Fairbanks. No con-
dition was imposed, but the same pro-
cedure was adopted when the audiences
with the pope are arranged"
QQuotes Experience of Kings.
His emineHce quoted as examples the
audiences granted to the emperor Of
Germany, King Edward of England,
and other sovereigns. The cardinal
Quotes Experience of Kings.
when audiences are arranged the
vatican authorities naturally suggest
beforehand. in friendly way, the
things that are to be DONE All this
exchange of messages preliminary to
the audience naturally is considered by
| the vatican as confidential. not for the
vatican's sake, but for that Of Mr..
Roosevelt himself in order that he
| might be left free and unembarrassed
on his arrival in Rome. Actually no
| application for an audiAnce was made,
| but Mr.. Roosevelt's wish to see the
pope was conveyed to the vatican. This
lor rs6 0kI,
| thought in the vatican, were not in
| tended for publication.
II saw Mr.. John Callan o'Laughlin,
who presented a letter from Mgr. Fall
| COMO at Washington, who cabled on
the same day his desire that I should
see Mr.. O'Laughlin merely in the ca
pacity of one of Mr.. Roosevelts trav-
cling companions. Mr.. O'Laughlin told
me he did not represent Mr. Roose-
welt, and then I asked what he was
here. for
'sMr. O'Laughlin answered: ITO see
if we can not arrange the matter He
fassured me that if the kilograms which
| had passed were Withdrawn Mr.. Roose-
welt would see the pope, and all the diff
| ficulties would be at an end. This, 1t
seemed to me, showed that Mr..
1OLaughlin was really in a position to
arrange matters. Accordingly I re-
piled: That is impossible
Denies Question of Religion.
"Mr. O'Laughlin's contention was
! that Mr.. Roosevelt was at liberty to go
where he liked and do what he pleased
l after the audience,
"My reply was: AFTER or before
makes no difference. 1t is not a ques-
ton Of religion. Mr.. Roosevelt can go
to his own or to any protestant church
! in the city Of Rome, and while there
deliver an address if he chooses to do
So. Then. i he pleases, he may drive
direct from that church and be re-
ceived by the holy father added,
however. that 1t would be tactful If
Mr.. Roosevelt would first drive to his
hotel and there wait few minutes be-
ffore starting out for the audience.
".But,' went on, he can not go to
| the Methodists in this place. do not
| know about the Methodists in other
! places, and to them I do not refer but
| those in this place are particularly Of
IHensive to his holiness because they
conduct campaign Of villainous call
umny against the holy see. Therefore,
| to go before or after the audience with
| the pope, and with full knowledge that
II WOulO De OFFENSIVE, WOulO De StfIdlly
| objectionable to the holy father
Promise Can Not Be Given.
Continuing, I said to Mr.. sO'Laugh-
| lin: All ask is this can you assure
me that Mr.. Roosevelt will de facto
! not go to the Methodists, thus leaving
aside the question of what he may
consider to be his rights in the mat
ter?'
r1,1s Y>Ayo 0ot onf
give any such assurance. On the con-
trary, my opinion is that Mr.. Roosevelt
is just the kind Of man to go, altho
he has made no engaeement.'
"I replied: Mr.. Roosevelt is entirely
| free to go where he pleases, but the
| holy father is certainly free to refuse
| to receive any one who reserves the
right Willingly to offend him."
His emience then gave examples to
illustrate the vatican point of view in
the matter. Suppose, he suggested, that
Mr.. Roosevelt We're to go to Berlin. He
certainly would not go to Polish clubs
| If it were pointed to him in a diplo-
matte way that such action would be
offensive to the kaiser This before or
after beipg received by his majesty.
Gives Example Of Conduct.
Another example he gave Mr..
| O'Laughlin, to quote his own words
was as follows:
"You are free to take off your coat
when you visit me and you may sit
in your shirt sleeves now if you desire,
but if you were to do so would GER
tainly not receive you again"
Concluding my talk with Mr..
O'Laughlin," the cardinal said, Il said
in substance: If or any prelate from
the vatican went to America we should
consider ourselves obliged to conform
to the laws and customs of that coun-
try. If I wished an audience at the
White House should be obliged &c IN
qu(re about the etiquette to be OBJ
served naturally would be anxious.
if only as matter of delicacy, to abb
stain from any act that might be in
terpreted as offensive, and the holy
father expects the same from all who
desire to see him."
This ended the statement Of his emf
nence.
VIEWS IN AMERICA.
Break with Vatican stirs Methodists Of