Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1910-06-10
ORGANIC ACT DEBATE
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MI liNueNs ] VIII say 10 lne gen
tleman that I did not refer to 1t for
any purpose OF that kind. | referred
to 1t for the purpose o! showing why
the Committee on Appropriations did
not recommend the appropriation of
s12.50O when il was asked for.
Mr.. Kalanlanaole MAY | ask the
gentleman what grounds the commit.
tee had for not making the appfopri
alton?
Mr.. Tawney. The grounds
stated.
Mr.. Kalanlanaole. was not here
at the time.
Mr.. Tawney. The ground on which
the committee declined to recon.
mend the Appropriation was, In the
first place. that there are no streams
in Hawaii to gauge. and, In the sec.
ond place. II appeared in the test.
mony of Secretary Garfield that the
pressure ON the appropriation was
from the governor and was put on the
governor by the large planters.
Mr.. Kalananaole. DO understand
the gentleman to say that this glug.
Ing Of waters Is only to gauge the
streams or do | understand It is also
to gauge the wells?
Mr.. Tawney. 1t was also for artes.
ian wells and purposes of that kind,
but we refused to recommend the NJ.
preparation for the reason that after
a careful examination we were con.
WINGED that We were asked to recon-.
mend the appropriation of public
money for the benefit of private in
terests.
Mr. Kalanianaole will state
right here that that statement is in
accurate and unfounded
Mr.. Tawney. It may be we were
mistaken
Mr. Kalanianaole The gaug'ng OF
stream flows in Hawaii Is not for tile
benefit of the sugar planters; It is to
determine the water supply available
for use on unsold government lands.
The plantations rely wholly on their
Cwn Investigations OF water supply.
This stream gauging was for the
b neiit of individuals, the diversified
industries. and the Remaining gov.
eminent lands.
In the Territory of Hawaii today
there is not more Vital question
than the water question. There
have been artesian wells dug in
these little islands for the last
thirty years. and now conditions
have arisen which ompel the peo-
pie 10 ask, How long will this wa
ter last us?" The seriousness "
the problem Is shown By the fact:
Thirty years ago We had artesian
wells that threw up water TO
great height-10, Is, or 20 feet.
Today you can not get nearly the
same pressure. Under those condi-
tions the governor of the Territory
asked Congress. or the department.
10 gee that the water be measured
so that we will know as TO the
limit of our artesian supply, But
as to the statement made by the
gentleman, that IL Is for the beEe-
tit of the planters, even II that were
20, II would he benefiting the main
industry of the Territory, and there
fore benefiting the islands as n
whole. tkpplause.)
Mr.. Tawney. will say, Mr..
Chairman, in answer to the gertle-
man from Hawaii, that had he APP
peared before the committee in sup
port of the estimate submitted for
the $4,000, and made the argu-
ment that he has made here this
afternoon, 1t Is likely the subcom-
mittee would not have refused to
grant the appropriation.
Mr.. Kalanianaole. | have repeat
eddy introduced bills to carry APP
propriations for soil surveys and
stream gauging in Hawaii.
| have asked for hearings on
these bills, and on one occasion was
given hearing. But no items for
Hawaii We're ever reported by the !
committees controlling those bills;
and without some such legislation
as the pending amendment We will
probably never get any federal help
on those lines OF needed develop !
ment
Mr.. Good. Mr.. Chairman, hope
gentlemen of the committee Will not
become confused as to the real issue
involved in the amendment. The
amendment Is not intended and can
not be used to aid special interests
in the Territory of Hawaii 1t will !
operate against special interests
rather than aid them. | call the
attention of gentlemen of the com
mittee who are lawyers to the pro-
vision that we have incorporated in
this bill. We simply here provide,
what every lawyer upon the floor of
this House will admit is law. that
the laws of the United States, in
Guiding all the laws granting gem
eral appropriations, apply to the
Territory of Hawaii as well as to
any State or any other Territories
of the United States. want to ask
the gentleman who Is chairman OF