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DIED,

BERLESS-On Sunday, January lf. 1910.
at 1880 ?. m. at his residence. Gl-5 \
street northwest, A W. IANtIL
BERLESS. youngest child OF >3ral
+. and the late John B. Berless.
Funeral Wednesday, January IL, al l
o'clock. from First Baptist Church,
Twenty street and Dunbar
ton avenue Relatives and friends IN
VIted 20 attend.
BRONSON-SudGenIy, on Monday, Jan
uary J., 1910, at her residence l3->
street northwest. WINIFRED BRON-
son nee Naughton), beloved wife OF
:. D. BTonSoI-
Funeral Wednesday, January lg. at
a. m, from the residence thence 70
ST PauI's Church, where requiem
mess W.T. be said Tor the Tepose or
the soul.
BROOKS-On Sunday, January is. 1910
at $50 a m. al her residence, rs -
street northwest. Mrs. MARCEL
LENA BROOKS, widow OF John II.
Brooks.
Funeral from her late residence on
Wednesday, January 10 al . T. m
Relatives and friends invited.
COLLINs-Departed this life on Mon
day, January 10, 1910, at Sacramento,
Cal. SAMUEL =. COLLINS, beloved
son of the late Mrs Lucy Bell and
brother of Mrs. Lucinda Gambler.
COLLINS-Suddenly. on sunday. Janu-
arv l6 1910 at s p. m, MlLLAkD
FILLMORE, beloved husband Of
Mary Girard Collins.
Funeral from chapel of Frank Geier's
Sons, ul3 seventh street northwest,
OH Wednesday, January IS. at 2. IN.
Kindly omit flowers. Interment lpr-
vate) at Rock Creek Cemetery.
DALY-On Tuesday, January Is, 1910. al
the residence of her daughter. Mrs.
Charles W Downing, 1913 Park road,
JOHANNA DAILY. widow OF Timothy
d. DAILY.
Funeral Thursday morning, January 20,
at 10 O'Clock. from the Shrine of the
Sacred Heart, Fourteenth street and
Park road. Interment private.
DAVIDSON-On Monday. January T.
1910 at $40 p. m, CATHERINE r,
youngest daughter of the late John
Davidson.
Funeral from her late residence 3l3S .
street northwest Wednesday. Janu-
arv 49, at p. m. Interment private.
DEVINE-Suddenly on Monday, January
II 1910 at $3.50 a. m, at his residence,
909 Third street northeast, JOHN DE-
VINE. son of the late Thomas and
Mary Deylne-
Wednesday January l9. at $50 a. m,
thence 10 ST. Joseph's Church, where
mass will be said for the reDose Of
his soul at o'clock. Friends and
relatives invited TO attend
FARRAR-Departed this life on Satur-
day, January -. l9lc, at $50 2. m,
al her residence, 1911 NJ street north
west. MARY BROWN FARRAR, be-
loved d .ughter of Francis Fl. Brown
aud steI daughter of Mary z. Brown.
Funeral ftom St Augustine's Church
Ca Wednesday, al O'Clock.
.GRIFFIN-On Monday, January l., 19lo,
at her home in Baltimore. ). VIR-
GINA GRIFFIN. widow Of Henry
c. Griffin and daughter OF the late
Reuben Daw. of Georgetown.
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sunday school Teachers Meet.

The Teachers Sunday School Institute
assembled in Epiphany Church last night.
President Charles f. Buck introduced
Miss Ellen NJ. Young, who presented
an able discourse on Alaska, A paper
by Rev +. B. Howden on the Use Of
the book Of common prayer" completed
the programme.
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sixth Daughter Not in VIII.

Mary Ann Connolly. by the terms Of
her will, filed yesterday. divides her es-
tate among five Observation-Disclosures c..
Ellen J., Margaret l., Daisy B., and
Elizabeth r. Connolly. A sixth daugh-
ter. Mary L, Connolly, is to receive
nothing, as she is provided for in the
ownership of the house at S57 street
southwest
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HABEAS CORPUS WRIT DENIED.
Attorney Raises Point of Expiration
of IGimbaII's Term.

Justice Stafford yesterday afternoon
denied an application for writ Of
habeas corpus. sought by Attorney \. ".
Scott, in behalf Of Percy Brown, serving
a sentence for petit larceny.
Attorney Scott raised the point that
Judge KimbalTs term expired on January
L, at midnight, and be had no right 10
impose sentence on the respondent Brown.
in denying the application Tor VIII
Of habeas corpus. Justice stanford held
that Judge KimbalTs term Will not expire
until his successor has qualified.
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CIVIC VOICES HIT
TUNE Of REFORM
GOmperS, Belmont, and Ham
mOnd Speak
ROOT HAS A PANACEA
Senator Suggests PainStaking
State Conferences.
ROOT HAS A PANACEA

John Mitchell Also Among Speakers
at Second Days Sessions of the
National Civic FederatiOn-JOhn
Hays Hammond Calls Attention 10
"AppalIinG Increase in Mine Trag-
edieS,v ana Possible Remedy.
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BUSINESS CLUB ADMITS WOMEN
HyattSvilIe Association Changes
Constitution at Annual Session.

At a meeting Of the Hyausvile Citizens
Association the following officers were
elected: Dr.. Guy ". Latimer, president;
J. ". Ginder. vice president; Ebert G.
Gearhart, secretary-treasurer, and Jack
son II. RalstOu. attorney. Executive COM
mlttee: Charles W Clagett William p.
Magruder. and T. a. Fuller.
An amendment TO the constitution was
adopted admitting ladies 10 membership
The question of securing an amendment
70 the town charter permitting a levy
for highway improvement, was . scussed.
The sentiment was in fay OF con-
structing permanent streets. uut a wide
difference OF opinion was manifested as
10 the best method of raising the money.
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ANNOUNCEMENT.

Notice is hereby given that on and
after this date Edward FlOv CaverIv viii
represent r. r. HUTTON & co. as man
aEeT of their Washington branch Office.
Thomas J.. Hume having withdrawn
from the joint management TO continue
the local stock exchange business on
his own account al 1901 7 81. NV
January IS. 1910 ia1--10t
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Col G w Thnmnsnn nead.

News has been received here Of the sud
den death Of Col George W. Thompson,
In Brooklyn, y. Y. He was civil war
veteran Mrs. Thompson was Miss
Josephine Mortimer, a sister Of Mrs.
Craigie. wife Of Gen. Craigie. and OF Lee
S. Mortimer. of this city.
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Death Claims DR.. Graves.

Dr. Crosby J. Graves, brother of the
late Edward O. Graves. one tine assistant
United States Treasurer. died recently al
his home. in North Wales, Pa. The fun
eraI viii be held there. He IS survived by
his wife, q son and daughter, and one
brother.
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governors after they had been delivered.
When the governors reConvened. after
lunch at the Metropolitan Club and their
visit TO the White House, a recommenda-
ton by the committee on organization that
a different governor be selected TO preside
at each session was adopted. as was the
suggestion that Gov. Sloan be made per
manent secretary. Gov. Harmon was
chosen to preside at yesterday afternoon s
meeting.
Gov. Hughes made the first address. In
introducing him, Gov. Harmon said he
was sorry 10 hear that New Yorks ex-
ecutive had decided 10 retire from public
life. anG expressed the hope that this only
referred to the gOveTnorship
Gov. Hughes subject was Governors
conferences; their scope and purpose.
and he said. in part:
"A conference Of governors can be ex-
pected to accomplish much more than
conferences Of legislative committees or
of appointed commissioners. Accord be-
tween executives upon questions which
they have carefully considered together
cannot fail 10 be OF enormous influence.
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The scope OF these conferences may be
deemed to embrace at least three groups
or questions: The first relates 10 uniform
laws; the second relates to matters Of
state comfy where Il absolute uniform
ily may not ne expected causes oI nc
y'oA may pe a'olued ana tLe general WEI
I"ie may DE pioii'oled oy accoiiiii'odatlhs
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LIQUOR MEN TO FIGHT
In for Bitter War Against
Anti-SalOOn League.
DELEGATES IN ATTENDANCE
McDOnOugh, of Cleveland,
Calls Convention TO Order-Seere-
citation, scores Preacher Who
Seeks NOtOriety-ROntine Session.

Prepared for a bitter war against tenn
perance organizations. the National
Liquor League opened its seventeenth
annual convention at the National Hotel
yesterday afternoon. Pleas for a per-
feet hghting organization and a cam
paign Of education We're made in half a
dozen speeches.
President Timothy L. McDonough, Of
Cleveland, called the convention 20 order.
with seventy-hye delegates attending. all
retail liquor men, Secretary Joseph De
bar, Of the National Wholesale Liquor
Dealers Association, and former Senator
Thurston, Of Nebraska. were the prin-
ciple speakers at the opening session.
Hugh +. Harvey made an address OF
welcome on behalf Of the Washington
liquor dealers. and William T. GUIDE.
president Of the Chamber Of Commerce.
added word Of welcome, and extended
the hospitality Of the city. There was a
plentiful sprinkliug of women in the
hall. and they applauded just as vigor-
ously as the men When Joseph Debar
arose TO make his address he received an
ovation
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Employe Makes New Charges
Against officials.
MONEY LENDING IS CHARGED

John w. Rodgers, Who Has Been
Fighting for VindicatiOn Since
His Dismissal and Reinstatement,
Seeks 10 Prove that the Public
Printer Is Guilty of Misconduct.
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SPECIAL NOTICES.

REPORT OF THE TERMINAL, STORAGE
COMPANY OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUM-
BIA" for the year ending December 81. 1909
We, the president and a majority Il The trustees
Of The Terminal Storage Company Of the District
0f Columbia do hereby report and certify that tie
capital Of said company is five hundred ffty
thousand dollars lS559000j fully paid and that there
existing debts. except two deeds of trust
one dated july IT, 1901 and recorded in Liber 25i3
folio i4 e seq If the land records n the Dis
trict q Columbia. and the Other dated Nay H. 1903
and recorded IN Liber sZ3 folio 2l2 e. seq one og
the land records Of the District 0f Columbia
EDWARD J. STELLWAGES
President
GEORGE F. HAMILTON.
j. II. SMALL. JT..
Trustees
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District u Columbia IS.
EDWARD J. STELLWAGEN, President Of Ths
Terminal Storage Company of tie Distinct of Co
lumba. being duly sworn deposes and says ulat the
above statement Is true, 70 tAs best Of bis oWedgs
and belief.
EDWARD J. sTELLwAGEN. President.
Subscribed and sworn % before me this l7.h dag of
January. 4. d. 1910
REGINALD RUTHERFORD.
Nut.rr I-LIIr y
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An investigation is being made at the
Government Printing Office, with John
W. Rodgers In the role Of accuser aud
defendant He charges Public Printer
0onneIIy with misconduct in Office and
Superintendent of Stores Lamb with be-
ing a loan shark.
Rodgers was dismissed In October on
chsrges of inefic:ency. insubordination,
loaning money. and other shortcomings.
lie got himself reinstated after writing
10 the President. and since his reinstate-
ment he has been diligently seeking TO
vindicate himself He wants 10 prove
that he is efficient and subservient, an0
that there was malice behind his dis
n'ssaL He wants TO prove that the
Public Printer is guilty Of misconduct
III not permitting him 20 be represented
at hearings Of his case. and not allow
ing him to have a copy OF the minutes
If the proceedings,
OverhauIs Alleged spOtter.
On Monday Rodgers collared Arthur
Johnson, the negro messenger Of the
i.rintery. on a Fourteenth street car, and
1
He had pursued the negro several blOcKs
after seeing him dodge behind a tree, he
/ says, and when he captured the man he
! forced him 70 admit that he had been
! instructed by Mr.. Donneily TO watch him,
which admission. he says. was heard by
/ the conductor and motorman OF the car
| Rodgers obtained a furlough October 9,
I a e yIa1 urf f=+z & z
voter. At the expiration Of his leave he
wrote for further time as he has been
/ instructed 10 do, he says, and he received
/ no answer. Believing silence was con-
! sent, he remained three days longer. and
\ this was the ground for the charge Of in
! subordinau0n. Another Of the charges
| against him was that he could not ac-
| count for seventeen reams Of paper. In
| this he demanded a test, He says none
/ Of the charges were proven, and that II
/ they were, the minutes would show IT,
/ His letters 10 the President and those Of
/ Secretary Carpenter 10 Mr.. DOnneIly on
/ the subject have been the source Of much
/ interest in the past few months. Rodgers
claims several hearings for his case were
set. but that he cid not attend because
/ he was not permitted TO have a repre-
/ sentative. He declares the Public Printer
/ was represented by his counsel. secretary,
and sten0grapher. and no one else was
admitted. Il was late Monday afternoon,
when he went 10 Mt. DonHeIiy's Office TO
/ investigate one OF these hearings. that hs
/ says, the printery messenger took his
/ trail,
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Naval Orders.

The following orders have been issued:
Commander +. +. CAPEHART. detached command
Denver; to home and wait orders.
Commander J. 4. HOOGEWERFF, detached cCm-
mand Galveston. 70 homo and wait orders.
lieut.. Com d. W. TODD, detached Galveston; to
home and wait orders.
Lieut. r. +. DILJEN. detached Denver; 10 tcm-
p0rary duty Independence, navy yard, Mare
Island Cal
Lisut. W \. SMEAD. detached Denver; 10 home
and wait orders.
Lieut.. II. q. s. WALLACE, detached Denver; to
home and wait orders.
Lieut., S. L. II. HAZARD, detached Galveston; TO
home and wait orders.
Ensign r. c. NEEDHAM. detached duty CoEnCc-
ticut, and when discharged treatment Naval Hos
pital Norfolk. Va. granted sick ieave two
months.
Ensign A. S FARQUHAR. detached Denver; to
home and wait orders.
Ensign A. s. HICKEY. detached Denver: 10 home
and wait orders
Ensign A. ]. JAMES. detached Denver; to home
and wait orders
Ensign ]. NJ SMEALLIE, detached Denver; to home
and wait orders
Ensign T. wITHERS. Jr.. detached Galveston; to
home and wait orders
Ensign c. c. sLAYTON. detached Galveston; to
home and wait orders.
Ensign L. P. DAVIS detached Galveston; 10 home
and wait OTder1
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FUNERAL DIRECTORS.
GEORGE P. ZURH0RST,
3OI East Capitol street.

and Embalmer. Livery IN connection Conm0dOus
Chapel and Modern Crematorum- Modest pEicss-
$50 PENNSYLVANIA ave. Nv. Telephone Man 1855.
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NOTICE TO STOCKHOLDERS THE 10Th REG
ular quarterly dividend q l2. per cent has been De-
clared on the capital stock n The Washington Loan
aud Trust COMPANY PAYABLE FEBRUARY J. I9l1
when checks Tor dividends vii be mailed 10 al
stockholders u registered address The books a. t15
company VIII be closed for the transfer % stock from
January p to February T. 1870 both dates inclusive
Stockholders who have changed their addresses sncs
date of las, dividend wl please notify the Company.
jal5,I9I HARRY g. MEEM Treasurer
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TAFT PILGRIM SPRIG
Historian Discovers He Is
Kin of Francis Cook.
ELECTED TO MAYFLOWER CLUB

President Gratified to Learn His
GeneRlOgy Has Been Finally
Traced Back to the Beginning of
America, and that He Is Now an
Active Member of the Society.
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Easier for Preacher.

The preacher who seeks notoriety, %
he said -nnds II easier 10 decIaim
against the retail liquor dealer and his
establishment than 10 reform consid-
cradle number OF dIsreputable patrons OF
the few places that are conducted con-
traTy 10 the law.
But the community always forgets
that unless there was these disrepurab-e
persons In our midst, the in kept saloons
or places of iU repute of any kind. would
have no patrons. Now the wholesale
liquor dealers stand for enforcement OF
the law Their ambition is 10 urge that
every dealer in alcoholic drinks comply
with every law and statute on the books
of state or nation.
For tht= reason. men engaged in retail
ing liquor. which so many of our most
'fauatical critics are ready TO buy and use.
should eudeaver 10 merit the approval Of
the public az large. No matter how
unjustly the dealer may be accused OF evils
that are not of his making. but are the
fault Of the patrons Of his community, he
must tTy 10 rise above this injustice. and
do all in his power 10 merit publ,
praise"
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ARMY AND NAVY.
Army Orders.

Mai JOHN X. CREE. Coast Artillery Corps is
relieved from the command Of For- Rugcr.
Hawaii, and upon his relief from treatment az
the General Hospital viii report at the Preside
for assignment 10 duty.
Col THOMAS L. CASEY. Corps cf Engineers, tn
addition 20 the duties assigned 81 hnn, IS de-
tailed as engineer Of the Fifth lighthouse dis
trict.
Capt f. HOLLAND RUBOTTOM. Ninth Cava!'y,
is relieved from treatment AZ the General Hos
pitaI the PrCIdiO Cf san Francisco and VII
report Department C California for Temporary
duty.
Mai CHARLES c. BALLOU. Sev1ath InfantTr.
nov on leave Of absence viii repair 20 his city
and report on January q TO he Quar'emasier
General for duty in his Cffce and vii Bttc III-
ceed 70 San Francisco and take transport to
sail for the Philippine Islands.
Capt. EDWARD J. TINBERLAKE. Coast Aiti.-
lery Corps. is relieved from assignment 90 the
Forty-seventh company and placed on the I'M
assigned list He VIII. proceed - For Kruger,
Honolulu and assume command # that post
So much Of special orders directs Second Liou;.
JOHN c PEGRAN. First Cavalry. 70 jlin his
regiment upon the expiration Of h's leave q
absence is amended 70 direct him 70 rCpvTt flcm
leave Of absence 10 the commanding officer Font
Riley. for temporary duty pending arr.yal Of the
First Cavalry.
The leave # absence granted Second Lieut.. JAMES
G.. STEESE. Corps Of Engineers, in SPECIAL
,~rInrs L. oyfnndf1 ten 1aye
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Know Only one side.

People are only reading one side Of the
question. You must organize and carry
out war Of literature and education that
will keep the sentiment of the public be-
hind you"
Before he adjourned the session, Presi-
dent McDonough had a word 10 say about
the object of the convention.
We are going TO get down 10 business
now. We ali agree we must have a good
organization We must always be guided
a great deal by public sentiment, and that
great big, honest, public opinion will be
behind us in the final count. But we have
a lot of work TO do, and we must DO it
we'll"
Last night was devoted to routine busI-
ness. Standing committees reported, and
the officers selected new committees for
convention business. The second open
session will be held this afternoon at .
O'Clock. and il is believed the meetings
will last through three days.
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GOVERNORS HEAR
TAFT AND HUGHES

Continued from Page One.
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ControI OF Corporations.

John c. Richberg and James E. Sterrett
president Of the American Association Of
Public Accounts, discussed the control Of
corporations. Taxation was treated of by
Edwin R \. Seligman, chairman Of the
department of taxation Of the National
Civic Federation. and Z. r. Cook of the
international Tax Association.
Uniform motor vehicle legislation was
the subject Of a paper by Charles Thad-
deus Terry, of New York, general coun-
sci of the American Automobile Associa-
ton, who favored a universal license. He
thought Congress should enact a general
Federal registration law providing for
registration in a bureau in Washington,
or that the States should pass uniform
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Must stand Together.

Senator Thgrston urged the liquor men
10 stand together. not as outcasts or
lawbreakers, but as men in a legitimate
business, recognized by law, and heavily
taxed 10 support local State. and national
governments. He advised them 10 make
their organization strong. and plan
careful campaign Of logical education %
offset fue hystericaI laments Of paid
fanatics
That men abuse themselves is no fault
.of yours" He said: They would do the
same If the liquor business was not in
existence, because 1t is human nature. 1t
is that evil that the Anti-Saloon League
should reform, instead OF throwing
.calumny upon "a body Of honest business
men
There viii always he abuse Of all Of
natures gifts, and this great boon Of
alcoholic beverages is abused as a matter
Of course. Now. this city Of Washington
is, of course, the nations Capitol and as
such belongs to the people. But as a resi-
denCe place purely. it belongs TO the peO-
pie who live here and those interested
persons who are standing behind their
Congressmen and trying 20 have a pro-
hibition law passed in Washington have
no right TO foist legislation on the city
that the business and residence people
do not want.
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INFORMALLY 10 DUE WRITTEN REQUEsT

JDNIUh1IAHL1 10 DI ? WNIIIEN HLit Z tl-T
III that behaE. SPECIAL meeting If the sfJcz-
holders Cf the Proudeut Relief Association q Wash
mgton, D. g, is hereby called 90 be- held al the
ofhce q the Association 30. s.1 street uCrlUes-
n the city Of Washington. District a. Columbia az
the hour Of 30 O'Clock U %. on FRIDAY Feb
Uay y, 1910. for the election Of q Board u U--
rectcrs 0f the Association for te clrreut year and
for the Transaction q such other business 0f the
Association as may lawfully - transacted 40
special meeting thereof. JOHN BROSNAN
5alsyJt trssi5elt
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There has been a steady Increase during
the last twenty years, Mr.. Hammond
said, in the number Of men killed in the
coal mines of this country for each
thousand employed. and in 1905 il real
lied the figure 800
It was pointed out that other nations
Albuquerque morning journal. [volume] (Albuquerque, N.M.) 1903-1926, 1910-12-12
Tile RccaII in Ari1ona.

Tho Arizona constitutional conVen-
tion Is progressive and radical with
"A vengeance. The recall has been
placed In the organic law by that con
and il applicable 70 judges of
the supreme court and district bench
rs. A commonwealth In the United
states has certainly come to an un-
stage when IL cannot even
trust its own elected judiciary.
The real weakness OF the recall is
that it contains in itself an innate
that that people who adj
vocate II. especially those who ad-
vocate it's application TO the judiciary,
are not nit for self government. IL adj
mits that they are so prone TO make
mistakes that they want ready NJ
hand a means whereby they can
quickly and surely make other mis-
takes. II would subject 81 conseien-
tious puslic servant Ia the action OF
an o%vorheated and irresponsible pub
lie opinion. II means "a subservicni
judiciary in the state of Arizona be-
cause no square dealing, upright
honest judge will care to subject his
fortunes To the ncklencss OF the pub
lie mind. Thank heaven, New Mexico
J was not saddled with such a pernic-
1 ious scheme n mob rule.-l@as Vegas
| optic.
Albuquerque morning journal. [volume] (Albuquerque, N.M.) 1903-1926, 1910-12-12
IAhert, Not Dead.

Alocal newspaper of Phoenix in
dulges in a wild. hysterical demand
Tor the recall of Judge sloan be-
cause he is reported 10 have OK
pressed in Washington an opinion
that the constitution as framed by
the convention now sitting win not
be ratified by the people at the gem
cral election on the question.
whether the governor Is correct In
his opinion nobody can say unul the
votes are counted.
Meanwhile, he has the right TO have
his ideas On the subject. and TO eN-
press them, just as newspapers and
individuals have "a right 10 believe
otherwise and say SO.
The tact which We would emphasize
ia making mention ct the incident vs.
The extreme lengths to which rahid
advocates OF the recall' will go. II
Arizona becomes a state under the
proposed constitution.
Evidently there are some people In
Arizona who arc not prepared t.
tolerate a difference of opinion on any
question. II n public officer happens
to have "a different opinion from theirs