The Detroit times. [volume] (Detroit, Mich.) 1903-1920, 1910-04-29
BALLINGER SAYS L. R.
CLAWS LIED DELIBERATELY
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law practice that might embarrass
him. He declared that he did nor
even know there was any such group
a. the Cunningham claims" al the
Tine he took tho commissionership
Subsequently he said he learned that
several persons with whom ne was
acquainted were claimants He named
hail dozen of these but stated that
&c did nor know Clarence Cunning
ham.
Il had no interest in Alaska in any
lands. either directly or indirectly ="
he asserted. and have not any to-
day"
President Roosevelt greeted him
with characteristic warmth he said.
when he arrived In Washington. I'm
mighty glad to have you here" Bal
linger testified Roosevelt said And
| have not any excuses To offer for
faking you away from Seattle ANY
man who can clean mp Seattle as YOU
aid. can clean up the land Office
Ballinger said that ne had heard
favorably of H. X. Love. formerly u
special agent. but that his hearsay
knowledge OF p. r. Jones. another
special agent, was not entirely fav-
orable"
Love was witness for Secretary
Ballinger at the hearing: Jones APP
peared for the prosecution" and gave
evidence distinctly unfayorable TO the
secretary The witness said Jones
was guilty of knocking"
He knocked his own brother in.
law. think my lack of confidence
In Jones has been justified in his
,,,,if al
finger said.
said. which he felt then. that led him
not to put Jones I'm charge OF the
work on the Alaska cases.
Ballinger then gave the Lie direct"
10 CLAWS.
Vertrees asked about the conference
which CLAWS had with him in Decem-
Der 1907.
CLAWS makes the wilfu and delib-
crate msstatement in his testimony
here. that We talked over the Alaskan
cases and that | mentioned several
persons said Ballinger. THAT is a
wilful and deliberate lie. did not
know those people al that time. We
merely talked over the general Alas
kan situation and did not go into the
did"
Explaining his clear listing. OF
the Cunningham claims. as commits
sioncr in January, 1908, the witness
said that he and chief of the field
division. Schwartz. looked over Loves
frfatft, -7Atts, ., 1871. ana rectded
thar It was favorable TO the patenting
OF the claims. there being no protest
IN the records.
II wish to say right here" the wit
ness interjected that ! believe that
those claims should have been clear
listed on the record in the department
II were called upon now TO pass on
the claims. with the same record be-
fore. | would order that they be clear
listed
IL assume all responsibility for
clear-listing the claims. | never had
n single one of the Cunningham claim.
ants as clients. | had no interest In
the cases In any way.
Balllnger denied that CLAWS had
ever said 10 him that the Love report
on which the Cunningham claims
were clear-listed. was unreliable.
since Love was likely to he influenced
by his candidacy for marshal In
Alaska.
CLAWS statement that he told me
this" the secretary said, lis absolute
IL untrue
BalInger said his appearance be.
fore the house committee In favor nf
The Gale bill. which provided for the
sale OF the coal lands, Oh gradual
scale. instead of their leasing. was
with the approval Of President Roose-
Welt. He said Roosevelt told him at
one time when the secretary showed
hIm his annual report favoring this
system
well. when Garfield and Pinchot
see that. they will so clear up to the
roof. hut ! guess the proof Is strong
enough to- hold them
lob Printing Gonc right. Time,