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Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
FINAL TAPS FOR
MAJ. E.F. WILCOX
Retired Officer Passes Away at
Home in Los Angeles After
Long Illness
SERVED IN THE PHILIPPINES
Commanded at JoIo When GOO
Moro Warriors Were
Killed in Battle
SERVED IN THE PHILIPPINES

Major Elon FarnswOrth Wilcox,
United States army, retired, died at
his home, 1851 Halldale avenue, yes
terday afternoon at 5:45 o'clock of
tuberculosis, which he contracted while
serving i'm the Philippines He was 90
years of age and leaves a widow, Mrs
Blanche Erdt Wilcox; son, Farms
worth Blake Wilcox; three brothers:
Orlando b. Wilcox, a Denver attor-
ney; Charles MacAllister WILCOX, a
business man there; Lieut.. Julian
Wilcox of the United States marine
corps, an attache at the court of
Peking; and one sister, Mrs. Grace w.
Comegys of 3109 Halldale avenue. Los
Angeles. Major Wilcox had been ill
seven months.
Major Wilcox was born in Detroit
November 6, 1855. He was appointed
to West Point in June, 1878, from CAL
ifornia, and graduated from there four
years later, going into the army as
second lieutenant, He saw service IN
the east for a short time and was
transferred to the Sixth cavalry Feb
ruary 10, 1882, being made first lieu
tenant of that regiment four years
later. He served as adjutant of the
Sixth cavalry for several years and
was made captain in the same regt-
ment February 6, 1897. In 1906 he was
promoted to major of the Fourth cav
airy and served in that regiment until
October 8, 1906, when at his own re-
quest he was retired on thirty years
service.
Major Wilcox was the son of Brig.
Gen. Orlando Bolivar Wilcox, who
for four years commanded the depart
ment of Arizona and New Mexico and
who captured the notorious Apache
chief, Geronimo, the first time. Major
Wilcox served as an aid on his faith
er's staff and took part in several In
dian campaigns under the latter, di-
rected principally against the Apaches
of Arizona and New Mexico. While
his father commanded the district of
Missouri with headquarters at Fort
Leavenworth he was an aid to his
father at that post and later contin-
ued as aid on the staff of Gen. Sum-
ner, who succeeded Gen. Wilcox.
He served in the Philippines with
the Fourth cavalry and was in COM
mand at Jolo when 600 Moro warriors
were killed several years ago. He re-
turned from the Philippines in 1906
and soon afterward retired, his health
broken by the strenuous campaigns on
the islands.
Major Wilcox was a member of the
California club and we'll known in Los
Angeles. The body will be taken to
San Francisco Thursday and will be
buried in the Military cemetery at the
Preside with military honors.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
COMMUTERS CONTEST
PROPOSED NEW RATES
Interstate Commerce Commits
sion Hears Proceedings
Against Railroads

WASHINGTON, July 12.-The con-
troversy over commutation rates be-
tween half a million New York city
commuters" and seven great railroad
line soccuied the attention of the in
terstate commerce commission today.
The proceeding was directed against
the Pennsylvania, the Erie, the Lehigh
Valley, the Delaware, LackaWanna &
Western, the Central of New Jersey
the West Shore and the Philadelphia &
Reading.
The carriers operating out of New
York city recently increased by an
average of about IS per cent their COM
mutation passenger rates.
The proposed new rates were post
poned upon request of the commission
until July 20 to afford time to inquire
into the authority of the commission
under the new law.
Todays discussion covered both
questions-jurisdictio and reasonable
ness.
1t was submitted in evidence by the
railroads that the operating expenses
of all of the lines had increased ma
terially within the year; that it costs
now AZ per cent more to seat a pas
senger in a railway coach than it cost
twenty years ago; that the average
wage of railway employees was more
than so per cent higher than it was
ten years ago; that enormous i'm
provements at terminals and in traffic
equipments had been made with
view to handling the communication traf-
fic, and that the traffic, at existing
rates, was improbable and would be
unremunerative even at the advanced
rates.
The decision of the commission will
be handed down later in the week.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
MISSOURIAN AND BRIDE
VISIT NIAGARA FALLS
EIope Because Wife's Sister OBJ
jected to the Wedding

NIAGARA FALLS, N. Y, July 12.-
William Fairleigh of st. Joseph. Mo-,
and his bride, who was Miss Emily
Keith of Kansas City, and whom he
won after a strenuous courtshtp OF
little more than year, are now at the
Clifton hotel, Niagara Falls, Ont. They
were married in Buffalo, N. Y, and
came to the Falls on their honeymoon.
Mr.. Fairleigh denied there had been
any attempt to elope. Two months ago
while the then Miss Keith was at the
Wolcott hotel in New York city, Fair
leigh came east and he and his hancee
arranged to be married. Objection was
made by the young woman's sister and
the wedding was temporarily post
poned, Miss Keith going abroad with
her sister, Mrs. Henry Koehler of Kan
sas City and a party of friends.
Miss Keith and her sister returned
last Thursday, landing at Montreal.
Mr.. Fairleigh was there to meet them
and accompanied her sister to Buffalo,
where the marriage was solemnized by
Rev. DR.. Thomas J. Walsh, chancellor
of the Roman Catholic diocese of Buff
falo Mrs. Koehler being a witness to
the wedding.
Mrs. Fairleigh is % years old and
her husband, who is an investment
banker of st. Joseph, is six years her
senior
Mr.. Fairleigh says he has no other
plans than to enjoy his honeymoon here
and then return to st. Joseph to de-
vote himself to his business. He does
not anticipate any trouble with his
brides family, pointing out the sig
nifcance of his sister-in-law's attend
ance at the wedding as indicative Of
the family's attitude toward them.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
THINK HILL AND BRIDE
SAFE IN MOUNTAINS
Letter Received Few Days Ago
from Couple Whose Where
aboutS Caused Anxiety

That Gus B. Hill and his bride are
enjoying themselves in the seclusion
of a lonely mountain camp in the high
Slerras and have not met with tragic
end is the belief of the Los Angeles
detectives who were asked to investi-
gate the disappearance of the promi-
nent young real estate salesman.
A letter received several days ago
by Mrs. c.. A. Wilson of 1902 West Sec
ond street, where the young bride made
her home before she went to Santa Ana
three months ago and married Hill,
is to the effect that the honeymooners
are living close to nature and have
been having a delightful time.
Hill was tract manager for Strong
& Dickinson, real estate dealers, 147
South Broadway. Three months ago
he asked for several days leave of
absence He went to Santa Ana, where
he was welded to Miss Mabel Ran
dolph. The day following the wedding
Hill wrote to Mr.. Strong and stated
that the writer was going on a wedding
trip and would be absent for several
weeks. A few days later relatives of
the bride received a letter from the
Yosemite country to the effect that the
happy pair were on a camping trip.
Nothing more was heard from the
couple until several days ago.
AS Hill had large land deals pend
ing and his individual business was
suffering from inattention, his en-
ployer, Mr.. Strong, became worried at
the silence of the absentee and asked
the detectives to trace the missing
man. At the time Strong made his
report to the local detective bureau he
was ignorant of the fact that Mrs. Hill
had written to Mrs. Wilson.
At the detective bureau yesterday af-
ternoon the officers stated that no fur
ther search would be made for the
missing couple, for the reason that
thev believed the missing pair are en-
loving themselves far away from civil
ization and trouble.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
RICH AND POOR TO TOUCH
ELBOWS TO LISTEN TO T. R.
Laborers and Industrial Chiefs to
Sit Side by Side at Address

PITTSBURG, Pa, July 12.-American
workmen, Germans, Welsh,' Italians,
Poles, Hungarians, Croatians, negroes,
all viii sit side by side with captains
of industry and representatives, of the
chambers of commerce and other civic
organizations to hear Theodore Roose-
welt when he speaks here on Septem-
Der on "Civic Advance" Labor Will
rub elbows with wealth and brains
while listening to the exponent Of the
square deal"
This was decided by the Pittsburg
Civic commission last night when they
planned to extend invitations to vari-
Gus organizations of men of foreign
birth. Only those who have sworn al
legiance to the United States will be
eligible as guests.
The Roosevelt audience will therefore
be representative of more than the
wealth of Pittsburg and will be an as
sembly unique in the history of public
gatherings.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
TO END FACTIQNAL
FIGHTS IN alaska
WiCkerSham and NageI Will Go to
Northern Territory to Com
mand the Situation
g ASSOCIATED Pressl

BEVERLY, Mass, July 12.-President
Taft talked politics today with Senator
Crane of Massachusetts, Attorney Cen
eral Wickersham and Secretary Nagel
of the department of commerce and la
bor Their conference lasted until af-
ter O'Clock tonight. Extreme reticence
was displayed by everybody and no
statement other than that the general
situation was discussed could be OBJ
tanned.
Senator Crane was close to the pres
ident in the last session of congress
and was a daily visitor at the White
House The president was reported to-
night to be well satisfied with general
conditions and hopeful of Republican
success "all along the line" 1t was
definitely determined this afternoon
that Attorney General Wickersham
will accompany Secretary Nagel to
Alaska. The situation in that territory
has given the president much concern.
Serious factional fights have been in
progress there for several years. EX
treme bitterness has been displayed.
Each time an appointment has been
made to a federal Office a campaign
has been started against the appolntee.
The fights have been carried to Wash
ngton from time to time.
The delegate from Alaska, Mr..
WickerSham, who is In no way related
to the attorney general, is at logger
heads with the administration.
The president has found it necessary
lately to remove number of Alaskan
officials. Several men whom he ap-
pointed to succeed these failed of con-
firmation and made it necessary for
the president to resort to recess ap-
pointments.
Mr.. Taft wants as much first hand in
formation as he can get on the situa-
tion. He believes that the attorney
fieneral and Mr.. gel can bring him
this information.
The two cabinet officials will sail
from Vancouver on the fish commits
sion steamer Albatross. They will go
west through Canada, leaving Mon
treal next Monday morning.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
FATHER SUCKS SNAKES
VENOM FROM SONS FOOT

TRINIDAD, Colo, July 12.-Again 1t has
been demonstrated that ranch life trains
man to act quickly and intelligently in cases
of emergency The prompt action of John Kee
in sucking the poison from a wound in his
young sons foot, inflicted by a rattlesnaks.
saved the child's life, according to a physician
who attended him.
The boy attacked by the reptile while
playing a ranch at Earle, nineteen miles
east of here. Attracted by the boys screams
the father dropped his work and ran to him.
Realizing the seriousness of the wound the
father resorted to the only expedient open to
him. The boy was brought here shortly after
ward.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
LONDON COUNTY COUNCIL
PUTS BAN ON FIGHT FILMS

LONDON, July PA motion depre-
eating the exhibition of the moving pic
lures of the Jeffries fight in
London halls was carried today by a
vote of rs to 29 at a meeting of the
London county council
The adoption of this motion practical
ly means that no films VIII be shown
in England. The council cannot pre-
vent music halls from exhibiting the
pictures. but as the halls must seek
licenses from the council each year the
managers are not likely to risk Offend
ing the council. The provisional coun-
ellis are certain to follow London's lead.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
CINCINNATI AND BOSTON
AGREE TO TRADE PLAYERS

CINCINNATI, July 12.-Perhaps the
biggest trade of the year in baseball
is to be announced here on Wednes-
day, when the Boston National team
comes to play Cincinnati a series of
four games. 1t will take from Cincin-
natl Third Baseman Lobert, who is
considered by many one of the best in
fielders of the league, and will bring
to Cincinnati Pitcher Cliff Curtiss and
Shortstop Sweeney of Boston. This
trade has received the official sanction
of President Hermann, who is now at
Detroit
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
FIVE PERSONS INJURED
IN WASHINGTON WRECK

OLYMPIA, Wash, July 12.-Five per-
sons were badly injured in a wreck on
the Northern Pacific railway tonight
when the Grays HarborSeattle limited,
northbound, struck a broken rail and
went into the ditch a mile east of Bel
more. The smoker, day coach and OBJ
servation car were derailed and thrown
on their sides in the ditch. The most
seriously injured of the passengers is
Lewis Baird of Seattle. Others taken
to the hospital here are j. l.. Finhart
of Arlington, w. Carruthers of Seattle
and Brakeman Ohms and Porter
Craine. The other passengers were
taken to Tacoma.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
WANTED AN AUDIENCE

Nine. Melba. at a dinner in New
York, told a story of a little son of
wealthy parents.
HE stopped at a New York hotel
with his tutor and governess," she said,
land one night the two guardians
went to the opera, leaving him alone in
his apartment with his toys.
About o'clock his bell rang furi-
ously. He didn't understand the tele-
phone, and one of the assistant man
ayers hurried to his suite and
knocked.
Did you ring, sir?" he asked.
"'Yes, said the little fellow. Please
send some one to hear me say my
PRAYERS New York Tribune.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
CABLE CHIEF RESIGNS

SAN FRANCISCO, July 12-L. w.
Storrer, Pacific coast representative
of the Postal Telegraph and Gable
company, has resigned. Storrer en-
tered the service of the Postal Tele-
graph company in 1886.
j. G. Blake, at present general su-
perintendent of the Postal, will sue
ceed Storrer.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
CHURCH PLANS TO HAVE
OWN INSANE ASYLUM

HOLLAND, Mich, July ia move
ment has been started by prominent
divines and laymen in the Christian
Reformed denomination to establish a
church insane asylum, where the
church will be able to take care of it's
insane as it does the poor. The project,
which is enthusiastically backed here.
came up at the recent meeting of the
general synod in Muskegon This will
include the purchase of a large farm,
and as this city and Grand Rapids are
the center of the denomination in
America, the plan is to establish the
asylum between the two cities.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
no CINE AWAY ORANGES

Regular orange crates, in every re-
spect but size like the originals and con-
tanning two choice California oranges
each. will be given away by the Los
Angeles knights Templar at the ma
tional conclave in Chicago next Sep
tember as part of the campaign to
secure the next convention for this
city.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
ADVOCATES WOMAN POLICE
TO OVERCOME FLIRT EVIL

BALTIMORE, July 12-The Woman's
Suffrage club of Baltimore held a meeting
last evening at which plans were discussed
for carrying into effect plan to stop hrt-
ing on the streets, and incidentally to have
women appointed on the police force
The states attorney will be appealed to
particularly to discover If it is possible to
appoint women police officers at the SUI
burban resorts. and the downtown
streets. whose duty will be to look after
street morals.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13

the quarantining of 100 children of the
Boyle Heights orphanage for scarlet
fever, and of $50 boys from the Ana
helm orphanage for measles, which
prevented their participation In the
pleasures of the day.
These children had been preparing
songs and drills with which to amuse
their fellow guests on this day, and
their absence from the festivities will
prove bitter disappointment to them.
1t Is probable that an effort will be
made to give them some of these same
pleasures and entertainments later in
the season.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
BOWLING

On the Brunswick alleys last night the Wan
derers defeated the Myers of Pasadena by the
score of 2596 to 2S5O. Griffith had high average
for the evening. Dole OF Pasadena had high
game. Dole is 20 years old. The scores;
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
AUSTRALIAN WELTER
KNOCKS OUT CLIFFORD

NEW YORK, July 12.-Ted Nelson,
Australias welterweight champion, in
his first local appearance tonight
knocked out Jack Clifford of California
in the sixth round of a scheduled ten
round bout.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
PASADENA

Electric league, the Woodill Hulse team took
Ave straight from the Pacific States. Warner
had high average for his aggregation and
Roop had high average for the evening, nosing
Myers out by point The scores:
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13

It's as easy to secure a bargain IN q used
automobile through want advertising, a. n
used to be-and stin is-to secure horss
and Carl iaGa.
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13

You can buy IT. perhaps at many places, but
there's one BEST place to buy it-and that
place advartiseA
Los Angeles herald., 1910-07-13
SOME COULDN'T BE THERE

Members or the committee wish TO
express thanks to A. Hamburger &
Sons for flags and banners, to the
Vile de Paris for ribbon for badges,
and to the Kits Press for printing
them, to Dyas-Cline company for
badges for the children and the cap
tains, and to W. H. Hoegee for but
tons for the children. and to George
Rice for the printing of them.
To Burnell Dyas and Louis M Cole,
who have given practically all of their
of making the day a happy one for
the children, the members of the COM
mittee owe the deepest gratitude
A disappointing feature which marred
the day for many of the children was
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~ IIarnan DorSDI Rrro,rr o. Wont us
the tauIt OF Dr. IFdnann

~ I.hu frImaur ~ 90 West fty.
.-.rrd street vino Wa as-n,Iat"d with
rn.. 'ar" pr HuiI held h.s finger lightly
oyer Asu' "a man bsr-d heart az al
,,uUv"~r'rir VI r-u' rear midnight last
nigh. aud ". nan MINT" h. slipped
'V'If" stitches under fA" l"niiug finger
r."-tus a wound ina. hat Gasn ma ie
~ 20" -'ah 81 'tpN. EE.'" a.. had -
uHuu'" ~ wpr.. fr. cuaut-. Ws- de- I.rate,
drI 'r- man. Nauu"l HaruHu ct ~
~.iu'.u -'r'''.' Wt- 49,, living an hour
ii'"r 'Hr rrr-lpu = l.~ C''-t hat i..-n
closed
~ trdmauu and ~ Russell. DR.
th-tihim ard br Cox. ~" 'hr,.. uurpita /
surgeon who had prev l1G-ly injected
49, ,IhI, D'r.flm''''-- II ALT solution into
20" VEINS e "a" wounded man. all callsNl
% q -b-aut.ful Da-" For Samuel Har-
nan ~ vas rather u matter ~ life and
death hanging On ~" point - a -urRss,n =
n.-,.il" ~" had been stabbed half an hour
b"frr" ia" operation hv Samuel Jasper. a
'sideu' ~ Mills " tel Ne ,. AZ the r,-,tlt
e q quarrel arising "a q restaurant On
ta-t Broadway where HaTuan worked
- waiter Jasper was arrested
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NINA IIkE TRiHPN.
RIrhb Dressed woman aud tbIld. Win
unto Blanket aud suit eases.

Bi EfINGTON. y ! Aug >? The case
II well dressed and y"w"lled woman
found living With a ten y-ar-old girl IN a
curnrrld with no shelter bat heavy
aI'umnii- blanket and raincoa' -
ruSylng the police Their hiding place
was discovered On his farm NV Edward
Nar'rr
Mart-r found that somebody was tai
iug ,OnsIderail" tTuIyk anu he 'le, ided tu
watch Fariy thus morning lie found the
RACKS Of womanr shoes IN IN. corn
field aud follow them came upon the
slrang- pair wrapped ia the bright
blanket and with two well fll@i suit
,aS.- FOR pillows Awak snIng 10 find
their hid ng plac. discovered fhe woman
srous-i IN" girl and with the blanket and
zIIIfcass- insd. for the highway
She would not answer any Of Martsrs
questions or accept his prUfsr ~ finan cial
assistance IN case Oh. was without funds
Nart"r says m. woman appeared excited
sud troubled n" saws She was Of m
quest ona bic refinement and that her
Clothes and jewels BESPOKE wealth
Nv M" tune NartsT could Summon has
NI!". hoping IT.. woman would talk TO
ner. ~" -tIHng- Vair had disappeared
~-HrCh Lao failed 10 reveal their where
a bouts
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>pIIT " VIZ m RG ~.
Republicans Z y There irraL New DH
sIOn van GOO Members

NFwBUE"H y y Aug ,? In.. r..
rIblcAEs 81 tue town - \-Nhurgh a.
their primary adopted rasulstIOus Iudur-
luR the administration 81 GOV Hughes
and 'h.. legislative cDur-r - Congress
man Bradley senator Rps- ard assembly
man Baumss Resolutions were adopted
setting forth all this aud urxing Ipa4
them AT the same time - u--- their best
-ndeavors to -.-cur. IA" pAssag- e "a
direct pr mary Law
Tia. town ~ N-wburgh u IA. home
10 senator Rose Who = aspiring 10 be. 'he
political leader ~ 'l.- district In ne.
iA-f few weeks ~ the absence ~ furuIa
- rN-Gov. hi"ii IA. is''sr- political
opponents hA.- formed what ~ appaT
emily new party IN" new Re-
m-mb.r-hIp - claimed - ,-S m.nIbe ~
~ me SIX wards The platform adopted
calls Tor the elimination - party leader
snip. the enactment ~ a direct primary
law The SELECTION Il delegates - TartV
Conventions VINO WI rsptsssfIt th.. p.uBl'..
the enactment ii Laws which ~'Il rud
IN" alliAnC. h.'ween bus.Ess- aud puiitiCr
and insure responsible PARTY manage
ment aud IA" keeping - polls open Tor
al least mn" hours
The new movement las IS barking
~ 81 zafeCt~d ones ana at 'iO-' NhO arr.
aspiring for honOrs them "lV-s Tn.
Indications are that although he StrrigRl.
may he forced gprn th.' uHr;y Iu New
buTgh y viii Rinoimt 2, rpthtnK m ~"
county and district OUTSIDE NJ ode /
= 20 sail for nom. un SafIri1r and
WITHIN = fDrtu. gh' he "ld ktari viii B-
Ia wurhiLK order again
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>HiTITNB ERCER IONTESTS.
wants Recount oI NebrssLa Vote h,
Witch UahIman " on

iINrDi N~h Aug ,? Win every
county m the stare heard from Nlvo-
Jim Dahl'nan 81 Omaha wins the Demo
cratic nomna' ON FOR Governor ~ tif'v-
one votes The total stands DnnlmAn.
p T.i. Shallenbergrr p ga.
Gov Shallsnberger had papers pre-
pared for . contest IN Douglas county. hIt
hrS lawyer advi sod him that the primary
laws made no provision for a contest
The only remedy open 10 him ~ IN demand
a recount 81 the ballots hv fling a'tiiavits
and objections with county canvassing
hoard- these were hastily drawn up
thus afternoon and sent TO twelve a. Ter
eu' county boards All oG these were
carried bv DIhlman save on- They IN.
ciiIde the cities oi Omaha and llncoln
where Dahltnan got hlS largest major
ties
"" Spec.ic point -eh-.d ui-nn hv the
Governor - that votes " Dr'.-u IA Ou Re.
p,Iulcan ballots were counted Cor DalI.
mau The Ave party tickets were all on
pup -he.'' but voters Ssr- restricted 80
one CpN.mn ~ th"ir marNinEs aud sN-
rrez-ly prohibited from writing ~ any
larfv column he name Of any I-Tsoa
pr,ut'-i "a another parry column.
DISCREPANCIES Iu The votes fur va"Io.
Republican candida - challenged 10"
Guy-ruur attention. aud he believes =
recount VII nominate. INA Dshl'nan
charge 'Lai PppIU=' votes N~r. ,Ouut.'d
for Nha l'-uu..rg-r aud = tat ,: ;Ip MAY
follow
GOV SnllieuiU -rg-r'- demand 'Jr -.
cont las ,a',-'-i ru'' spr-u.-- a..pug
'h' .pi,pV,.r- ~ Dahiman ma practically
al lapg-- ~ ~" Democrats Winning ~,
.'i'- on If. Trv'-l
~ -p,,u a. the lat nat ~ua -nb.' y..r
ha d.n4Hud.-i r-s'v'ni - we've com
- heyaru- tuowu pahlmau I-Su.-d "A
statement NJ that be- would demand
% i.,,pYn' ~ he entire STATE ~uill.n.
-Ig- ga lHa'-r. = rpI-f -r-r ~ty-
iJailUsr
Iahlnltu- followers a." tor gh' d..-
rla'Hg TIA they ~ never vote 'pr
~hs lsut.rs-r should h,. 10. he, AIRED 'u.
uom.n-- and 10" ~hsl'-up-'ger Iu-u Az
'EAa tng no. same threat ,sva'I Iat man