Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1910-05-17
Friendly to BallingeT.


and to appoint in his stead Robert Ii.
Thomson OF Seattle.
Friendly to Ballinger.
keroy said his feelings toward Baliinger
personally were friendly; that the latter
had always treated him like a son.
MIR. Denby-Did anybody suggest to
you the inpropriety of your rem aiming
with a man who had treated you as son
after you had made public some of his
confidential informarionf
Kirby insisted that he did no. consider
there was any improperly in wat he al J..
He said he had no motive In mention
ing the Newell mat CT except as matter
OF current information.
81 simply wanted TO give Mr. Brandeis
an idea tt the character of the man he
was up against.
Promised Newspaper Job.
Chairman Nelson asked Kerby about his
statement that he was net worri d about
losing his place. KERRY replied that he
had been assured by Mr.. Wilson that he
would be given pe 81 ion with the News
Taper Enterprise Asso citation CT Cieve-
land. with which Wilson was connected
He said he had received no instructions
fIo-a the association yet.
Senator Ne son-You haven't been mus
tered in yet!
Kerby-I can't say as have
Mr.. Denly said the committee was not
seeking to hide anything. and that If the
witness knew anything about the depart
ment which he thought the committee
should know he should relate it. Kerby
said he wouldn't care to so into that
without first examining Ballinger cor
respondence with Thomson and other pa
pers which Mr.. Brandeis had called for
last Friday, but which had not yet ar
6Sy1a OF
the present time he did not desire TO
make any statement.
Mr. Vertrees wanted to know II mat
tiers he had mentioned were all that he
knew to the discredit of Mr.. Bailinger
Kerby replied that he did not know OF
anything else, but he objected to the
use of the word 'discredit." He added.
however, that he thought il Ballinger
have told him SO. Moreover. he did not
think Thomson was the proper man
for the place. He admitted he based
his opinion OF him on the correspond
snce Thomson had had with Bailinger.
Kerby Goes Into Details.
Mr. Kerby at great length detailed the
circumstances which led him to make
public his statement He told OF visits
TO him by various newspaper men. He
said he had many conferences with them.
Referring TO his understanding that IL
he lost his position he would be provided
with another, he said:
Otherwise could not have done what
] did
..nen i, was agreed said Mr.. ver-
trees, before you made your statement
that il YOU would make il you would
be taken care Of?
Not because made the statement.
but because | would be fred" replied
You understood you would be fired? %
Il certainly did
Tie explained that these reporters
came 70 him and asked him for the
story for publication.
Il explained to them he continued
that l would not publish the facts
but that I was willing to be called be-
fore the committee To testify"
Later Wilson and Arnold, he said
brought Culver and Hickey. two other
newspaper men, to talk the matter over
with his wife. He told them il would
they suggested. and they appeared to be
satisfied with that decision on his part
Complimented as "a Man"
Mr.. Culver told him he had come from
Cleveland for a story and instead had
found Il man"
Any time I wanted to get out of the
Interior Department" the witness said
''he would see that l was taken care Of
lie said they were constantly on the look
out for young men whom they could use
and nc would be ready to offer me a
position at any time.
THE next day i read the testimony O,
Secretary Baliinger, in which he denied
any knowledge Of the LAWYER memo
randuin and he made statements which
did not believe to be true. The COMMITTEES
apparently wanted none OF that testi
mony and the matter was closed. In my
opinion. therefore. ! could net te callet
As witness TO rebut testimony that wa.
not admitted on direct examination. Mr.
Lawler had also made the statement tina
no copies of that memoranda had beer
retained. That was not true. for In FAC
four copies of the memoranda wer,
made"
Concluded to Publish Facts.
Mr.. Brandeis told me- he continued
that he believed the action of the com
mittee cut me OFF from showing what tn
facts We're. l came to the conclusion tina
the only thing for me 70 do was TO maxi
the facts public. Mr.. Baliinger had sal.
all the facts should be made public, an,
] determined TO give the story to tn
newspapers
Mr. KERRY said he considered the infor
nation as having material bearing upo
this investigation. Mr. Brandeis had Ore
viousy made call for the memoranda
which. he said. ought to have elected thi
information. Therefore he was the onl
one through whom II could be made pub
lie.
Kerry explained how he knew tn
memorandum referred to was In the In
terror Department. He had accidental,
seen the paper in the desk of Private Sec
rotary Carr.
Massey told me I ought not to loo]
1T IT. said Kerby. Il am sorry mysei
Stat ! saw II.
lie explained that ne thought Secretar.
I;slinger had no right TO examine I'll
.nenora ndum Lawler prepared for tn
President. Pressed for his knowledge tina
Nj. Ba,nnger had examined IT, the wit
ness sad:
lie read portions OF j, at least"
The witness tod how he had perm;ste
his notebook TO be photographed.
You took 81 out and had L. photo
xraphed?' asked Mr.. %ertrees.
You bet j DID, snapped the witnes
emphaticaliy.
You made Inis statement from a sens