Arizona republican., 1910-12-02

niteness. It was found by the ex- perieDce of the last few weeks that there are recalls and recalls In the opinion of MT. Cassidy. this ought to be put before the people to as- certain if it was the kind of a re- call they had ordered
 MT. Winsor, in reply, said that at the beginning he was in favor of this disposition of the recall matter. but he had become suspicious of the prof ect now on account of the men who were backing it. That is, Mir. Winsor had been forced from a position in which his judgment had placed him by a shadowy suspicion. Mir. Winsor is one of the leaders of the conven- ton and has had as much to do with the making of the constitution as any other man. This incident is men toned to show how the constitution makers arrive at conclusions.
 A Warning of Disaster.
 Mir. Orme spoke earnestly in behalf of the Cassidy motion. He said that he wanted to place the responsibility for the adoption of this form of re- call upon the people. He believed that it would prevent statehood. and as a member of the convention he did not not want to be held responsible for having contributed to such a failure
 He said that he and the other dele gates from Maricopa county had come to the convention for a special pur- pose With them it was statehood first"
 Here the spirit which has animated the convention from the beginning was more plainly manifested than it had ever been before. This eNpres- sion of Mir Orme's was greeted with sneering laughter Those who sneered had come for some other purpose.
 Referring to the backing of the Cassidy motion which had scared Mir. Winsor from his position, MT. Webb said he did not know who was be- hind it, and he did not care. On this and all other questions before the convention he voted according to his conscience and the clearly ex- pressed wishes of his constituents.
 MT Webb said he believed that the recall proposition as it was now be- fore the convention was most dan gerous measure. He believed that the proposal to include the judiciary would defeat statehood. This. by the way. was the second reference to the judiciary Mr Orme had alluded to it. Mir. Webb went on to say that this matter was one that should be left to the people. Said he: "I should prefer not to be responsible for the defeat of statehood. Let this matter be settled by the whole people and not by the fifty-two members of this convention"
 Democratic Inspiration.
 Mir Parsons, opposing the motion, said that he had already heard from his people in correction of false re- ports that there had been a change of opinion of the laborng men of Cochise county. He believed, also, that the delegates from Maricopa county had heard from the people in the action of fifteen directors of the Maricopa County Commercial club. which had urged the adoption of the recall measure, including the judici ary.
 MT. Wood of Yavapai made a late editorial in the Arizona Democrat the text for speech against the Cassidy motion. in which it was stated in with the Blighton case that the acts of the judiciary had created the demand for this form of recall. As to himself and his col leagues. MT. Wood said that there was no doubt what their constituents wanted.
 Mir. Cassidy said that the gentlemen were speaking to his motion under misapprehension. It had not con tained a word regarding the exemp- ton of the judiciary or anybody else from the recall. It had merely suS- gested the expediency and the pro- priety of submitting this most inn portant question to the people.
 Again MT. Webb appealed for sub mission to the voters, and he chal- Ienged the other side and asked the radicals if they were afraid of the people, that they were not willing to apply the referendum in this most important of matters.
 MT. Parsons observed that it might as well be applied in the matter of the initiative and referendum itself
 My people have already spoken on that question" said Mir. Webb He added: q am here to vote for those things which I know to be right and not for those things which are mere ly popular"
 pr. Moeur took occasion to say that he was for the recall in its present form in spite of the fact that the Arizona Democrat had favored it
 Mir. Weinberger said that the vot-