Mineral Point tribune. (Mineral Point, Wis.) 1869-1938, 1910-08-04

y. has II peen to your knowledge the practice OF
former county treasurers TO pursue about the same
course that YOU have pursued! A. ! think So so
far as can md from the books have never talked
with any former 'reasurers. but II seems from the
books.
o. Then you have simply been following the
precedent that was established years ago. A. Yes
O. Can YOU state 70 this committee whether the
orders they are received BY you are in Mr. Per
kns' handwriting! A, They were all In his hand
writing.
Q. When Mr.. Perkins brings cash to YOU is II
credited TO any sale anything q that kindI Does
he deposit u as cash from private patients from
sale Of produce A. No simply cash.
g ne does not give yNu any statement along
with that money! A. No. Once In a while he
does verbally. Once in while he says where he
got it, Sometimes from private patients. but he
never makes any accounting Of where the money
comes from. All the bookkeeping | have Is the
amount OF cash appropriated and cash .ceived from
the trustees and against that have the orders that
paid out
@ Are YOU custodian for the funds Of the County
Home as well as the County Asylum and pay out
orders the same the Asylum A. Yes, but the
Poor orders, or Home orders are drawn to bearer.
@ Mr.. Perkins pursueS the same method with
these orders as he does with the asylum ordersf
A. Yes. but Il IS generally local ana most Of the
orders paid through the office down here. IL is
very seldom that he pays poor order except as /
say for the outside parties where il is charged up to
coal. but that is not so much for the Home.
@ Do you know what rate OF exchange IS
charged on remitances BY the local hanksf A !
do not because as far as am concerned. the county
etA exchange fee undeT tne contract that they have
with the banks that repositories that do not
pay any county treasurer.
9. Do YOU know If the local banks who are de-
positaries for the county funds have been in the
habit OF charging exchange for remittances in favor
Of the county, A. They havn as far as the county
is concerned In my ONCE What they do with others
! cannot say ! have no way Of knowing, OF course
is contract that the banks have with the county
that they are to furnish exchange free They do It
as far as my Office is concerned
=. You said when Mr. Perkins presented those
orders last Saturday YOU refused payment. Whist
did he Sayy A. He didn't say much about it, Said
he thought il would be perfectly safe to do business
as we had but If did not want 10 do Il could do the
other way. Said he didn't think would run any
risk whatever BY going on as we had been doing.
q. What object had you In refusing to pa these
orderS as previously A. The first time that Ed
brought those orders to In the new form we had
little conversation about il and discussed It, and
said that didn't know that ! was exactly safe in
paying that kind OF an order and decided to risk
chance, and last Saturday spoke to Mr. Reese and
Mt Strong about it and they said they didn't think
was running very much chance and said they used
to do that kind OF work In the bank but som etmes il
caused them little trouble and they stopped IT, but
as far as was concerned, could suit myself, That
might go on as was and II would be all right but
might get draft back sometime that there would
he some question about.
.. Where you pay money or a check and Il is
not delivered 70 the party to whom the order is made
out, you would be liable for the same amount Of
money, II this was not RENTED to the firm by the
superintendent il he fit not to send that amount
q. res or II the money was sent and the firm denied
receiving 4,
Roethel As protection to the County. think,
Mr.. Hosldns that the stand you have taken in re-
gard to not paving these orders would be commend
ed BY this committee, or any other member Of the
County Board Il is only right and proper they
should not be paid unless signed by the individual
they are made out to. A. do not think there are
but one or two, probably one payment in December
that some OF these orders were taken for. ! cannot
tell unless 90 back over the orders In December
gave some orders from the old books
Deposition of D. H. Williams.
D. Il. Williams, being duly sworn. under oath
deposes and says that to the best OF his knowledge
and belief he will truthfuy answer the questions put
TO him BY A. G.. ROethe A {, Thomas and W.
Penhallegon, appointed by the County Board OF Iowa
Sounty Wisconsin, to audit the accounts OF the Iowa
County ASYLUM Interview taken In the presence OF
the three above named gentlemen by BeSS {. Brewer.
reporter on the morning of Wednesday February
gth, 1910. at 1000 O'Clock. a. H., in the Library
conSn
yeI a. Yes
9. How long have YOU been In the banking BUSH
ness here! A. Something over twenty years.
9. Have YOU ever been a county deposHary Of
Iowa County A. No sir.
y You are acquainted with Mr.. Z. J. Perkins?
a. Yes vel acquainted with him.
= You nave had personal dealings with him for
several years. A Wen, somewhat lately
y Does Mr., Perkins carry an Asylum account
g Toes he carry personal checking account
A. Yes sir
O. How long has he kept checking account with
you! A. Maybe six months.
o You balance his account regularly? A. We
balance his book monthly, not always monthly,
but Il is our custom TO balance books every month,
We do not always balance his every month
.. Does Mr. Perkins make deposits regularly
each day or each week, or does he make a deposit
the forepart Of every month"; A. About once a
month if / remember correctly.
Q. Can YOU state to this committee whether Mr..
Perkins paws any outside checks to firms like
Marshall Field, ROundy peclShsm Co. or some OF
those people through his personal account A. Well
the way he usually does he gets the money from the
County and buys drafts to the amount five or six
hundred dollars to those firms you mentioned from
the money that he gets from the county.
Q. But he does not draw personal check for
that amount? A. No. the way he usually does If he
gets thousand dollars from the county he buys his
drafts and then give him credit Tor the balance.
Q. He does not deposit the $1,000 10 his account
A. No sir. He caSheS this 5000 or 500 and II there
is some none yett we credit his personal account,
and he afterwards checks out on the balance for the
men there az work.
O. On mis- personal check? A. Yes
O. Does he ever bring YOU county 0rdersE A.
Never at all. The other two banks are county de-
positaries and he brings checks on the other banks
and we give his personal account credit
q. What is Your rate Of exchange with the
county, A. We have no arrangements with the
county.
O. When Mr. Perkins comes in and buys a draft
for $500 in payment Of an account what rate OF ex-
change do you CHARGE A. Fifty cents. Ten cents
per hundred
Q. Do you charge such a rate to your merchants?
A. ! don Z know what arrangements these county
depoSltarieS make with the county but that is the
arrangement we have with every body. IT. under
stood between the three banks 10 charge Of
one per cent. On some Of the drafts he saws he
will deduct the exchange out OF the bill but on others
he said they demand par on the check SO Of course
ne pays the exchange, but presume he pays eN-
change on less than halt his drafts On sight drafts
we deduct the exchange. II we are 10 collect $3.50
so, we send SSSO.0O and keep the fifty cents our
selves.
Q. How long has that rule been IN force2 A.
Since ! can remember. Mr. Perkins did not pay ex-
change on half OF his drafts He deiucts It out OF
the bill. The others he saws he will have TO pay.
Q. DO firms as rule that send sight drafts on
merchants to be paid do theya How the banks 20 de-
duct exchange! a, Not as rule The merchant
here has 10 pay,
@. Have you ever paid a sight draft against E. J.
Perkins superintendent Of the Asylum a. No sir.
@, Did YOU ever have county order returned
from any Of these large firms for collection A. No
sir We have county orders come for different
things and we take them up to the court house and
through our correspondent and those Of course we
credit for par
The schedule of General Claims was
read and referred to the committee on Cen
eral Claims
on motion w. H. Thomas the board
adjourned until nine O'Clock tomorrow
morning.
Wednesday, March End. 1910.
9 O'clock a. m, Board called 10 order by
the chairman, Mr.. Roethe.
Roll called, members all present