New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1910-10-20

ing out what looked like a substantial
lot Of money. The people I am working
for-no the people that sent me here
have plenty of money Then he added.
I hope you will see your way clear 10
take this and the conversation dropped
right then.
Il did say in addition: Why, Frank. IL
there is any definite work that you nave
in view. I wish you would submit IL 10
me. and meantime I Will consider the
question whether there is definite work
to he done in q publicity way and also
told him that before I did anything OF
that kind I wanted TO go back and dis
cuss the propriety of doing publicity
work for the anti-the racetrack-the
bill interests.
That was all that was said in rela-
ton to money at the time. and did not
see him again. I could not swear TO IT,
but would almost say that there was
thousand dollar bill on the outside Of
those he showed me-.
Bruce Leads Tirrsll On.
In answer to further questions by
JUDGE BTUCe. IlTfSil Sdlu
Tn the general discussion he asked me-
what I thought of the chances of the
bill said it looked like a very even
thing. and that 7 would not venture to
predict hoW 1t vas coming out in the
Senate. He said. Well we have eleven.
I could not say whether he said We have
eleven Senator's or There are eleven Re-
al HI
mentioned the figure eleven. and he said
either We have eleven Senator's or
There are eleven Republican Senators on
our side and that We count on the en-
tire Democratic vote. except that Of Sen
ator Fuller. of Brooklyn
Did he mention the name Of any Sen
ator to whom he had paid money. or TO
whom he had promised money, or to
whom he expected to pay money!" Judge
Bruce asked.
Il don't recall that he did" Tirrell re-
piled.
DO you reCollect whether or not he
said. Mr. Tirrell. to refresh your recol-
lection, Judge Bruce continued. Those
two Republicans in BROOKLYN expect -
get twice as much. two and One-half
times as much, as any one else p
Il think he said substantially that"
TirrelI replied.
And did he say that they expected to
get $4,000 each-or that in substance
asked Judge Bruce.
Il remember carrying that impression
away with me-that those two men ex-
pected to get $4,000 each" TirreH re
piled
That was the impression you gathered
from the statements he made?" Judge
Bruce asked.
Yes" said TirreIL
Judge Bruce tried hard TO learn if
Gardner had said anything to Tirrell
about the specific sum that any mem
Der of the Legislature was to receive for
his vote on the raCetrack bill. but Ttr-
rel's only reply was:
I don't remember.
He was positive. however, that he did
not see Gardner again during the ses-
sion and that he did not take the $500
from Gardner
Although ! had the opportunity" he
said. L decided not to do the publicity
work for the racetrack interests.
Tirrel Denies Receiving Money.
And YOU did not receive the $1,000
asked Judge Bruce.
No" said Tirrell
OR any other amount at any time -
asked Judge Bruce.
What do YOU mean?'' said TirreTl. I
1TT-
ner or any one else for rscetrack work"
Asked if he saw Hyde in Albany. Tir-
rell said
Il saw Mr.. Hyde in the back part Of
the Assembly chamber on the day that
they had A public hearing there, when
Governor Black spoke. I think shook
hands with him
You did not see him at any other
timeT" Judge Bruce asked.
No, sir" TirreT replied
Ex-senator Frank J. Gardner, him
self, was the first witness before the
committee yesterday. coming in answer
to subpoena served on him Monday
Immediately after he had given $4,000
bail before Judge Mulqueen in Part Of
General Sessions. on a charge OF bribing
Otto G. Foelker. when member OF the
State Senate in 1908. not to vote on the
racetraCk bill
Gardner came to the City Hall with his
wife and Henry J. Goldsmith and Max
d Steuer. his lawyers. Mrs. Gardner
sat in one Of the aldermen's seats and
watched the examination of her husband
with as much interest and nervous ten
sion as he. himself. exhibited. and Gard
ner's hand trembled so that he could
hardly hold Il over his head to take the
oath.
Gardner Refuses TO Testify.
Before Gardner took the stand Gold
smith and Steuer objected 10 his being
sworn Chairman Merritt overruled the
objection however. and Gardner was
sworn and at once offered a statement
giving his reasons for not answering
questions. The statement was refused at
that time and Judge Bruce began hts
questions.
Gardner answered the first question as
to his residence. but 10 the second. How
long have YOU lived there?" he replied:
L shall al this time decline TO answer
any questions on the ground that the
information elected may tend 10 tncrimi-
nate or degrade me-"
Judge Bruce asked to have Gardner