The Daily Ardmoreite. [volume] (Ardmore, Okla.) 1893-current, 1910-08-11

T.
e Adams, the witness said that as an at
torney he had never heard OF Adam
being a conspicuous success, yet ad
mitted that it appeared he was able L
accomplished certain ends. To ques
tions from Chairman Burke, the wit
ness said that Adams was a great talk
err" whose statements could not al
ways be relied upon and that it was
possible what he had said in regard
to the McMurray matter and Con
gressman McGuires alleged connec
tion with it were untrue. Carter ad
ded, however That what impressed
him at the time was the candor with
which Adams had spoken.
Are you and Mcclure friendly
asked Chairman Burke.
We are not political friends an
swered Carter, and frankly Mr..
Burke, | do not think Mcclure ought
to be in congress-
lie probably thinks the same about
| you, responded the chairman
"Probably," rejoined the Oklahoma
congressman.
Mr.. Carter also told of an interview
alleged to have been held with Jake
l. .Hamon Of Lawton, the man whom
Senator Gore charged with having told
him he could become Interested in the
McNIurray contracts to the extent of
$4,000 to $4,000 The conversation
which related to Senator Gore and the
McMurray contracts. the witness said,
was in Washington. about May !.
(This is the day following that upon
which Senator Gore alleges the prop
ositions were made to him)
According to the witness, as he and
Hamon walked out of the capitol
building, Hamon asked him what he
Carter wanted to fight the attorn-
eys for. and why not let somebody
make a living. Carter stated he told
Hamon he would not stand for the fee
in the McMurray matter, and when
Hamon asked him why, Carter said
he replied, Jake, | won't speak to
you from the standpoint of common
honesty, for that won't appeal to you,
but will from the standpoint of prac-
tical politics. If | consented to the
contracts, the people would say | was
getting a part of it, and if | kept 81
lent, they would say | did not have
sense enough to get in, and it would
| be disastrous either way"
After the committee finished laugh
| ing at this statement, Carter said Ha-
mon called him a fool and referred to
! the $4,000 or II 900 democratic major
ity in the fourth district to which
Carter said he replied that they still
have primary elections in Oklahoma.
Carter said he was answered by Ha-
moon that McMurray wanted to be
his friend. and then Hamon. the wit
ness testified. asked him to go and
see old man Gore and urge him to
withdraw his bill, which would make
the McNIurray contracts impossible of
validity Carter said when he told
Hamon he would not do so, Hamon
then requested him to keep out of the
matter entirely.
In reply to that request said the
witness. Il told him that would be
equally disastrous. | asked Jake why
he was exercised over the McMurray
contracts and he told me he was not
concerned in them
In talking to Hamon there, Carter
said he questioned the accuracy of the
last statement. and that the Lawton
man answered something about him
being a fool, "as the others
Carter told the committee he had
indorsed the law firm of Mansfield
McMurray K Cornish before the de
partment of the interior in connec-
tion with the Betty Ligon case, af-
fectin- the status of Choctaw and
Chickasaw freedmen. 1t was done,
he said, at the request Of Gov John
ston of the Chickasaw nation, and
that he then expressed no objection.
providing the fee was to be regular
1t amounted to $4,000. and on those
terms. he said, he gave an indorse- ,
ment Later, he noticed that McMur-
ray appeared before the constitutional /
committee. claiming to {
represent the Choctaw tribe on the ba- t
sis of 10 per cent, and thereupon he
withdrew his Endorsement heretofore /
referred to- and later he said. Sec {
'ctary Garfield ended McNIurrays con l
lection with the Betty Ligon matter. t
Witness said. when he was consulted /
" Indians in regard to the contracts a
,ver state taxes, he told them they =
,hOuld be careful and not make the :