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The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1910-06-17
LAWS OF NEVADA
WILL PERMIT FIGHT

RENO. New. June 1.-THE laws
of Nevada cannot prevent Richard
and Gleason from taking the JEFF
fries-Johnson fight TO that state. &C
cording TO Attorney General Stod-
dard. The attorney general today
issued the following statement:
"Since the legislature has pre-
scribed certain conditions under
which glove contests may be held,
Il Is beyond the power Of any eN-
ecutiye OF the state to stop such a
contest. When a license fee of
81 600 is paid and certificates of the
health OF the contestants are pre-
sented. county clerks must issue
the requested permits. The legis-
lature passed the bill making pos
sible such contests and none but
the legislature has the power TO
stop them
The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1910-06-17

NEW YORK, June Mot in the history OF this nation
he annals Of modern time has there been Homecoming
way comparable that OF Theodore Roosevelt lie.
private citizen viii be welcomed tomorrow on s7 far ex-
ug The Roman tumphs IN intensity Of demons and
grrzEay o greeting From Seattle New York from the
GsIakt 70 the Mexican line nc will be greeted national
hco eagerly and impaticntly awaited.
Iandore Roosevelt sailed from New York for Mombasa
Ana March 81 1000 Ills departure the occasion for
popular demonstration 81 unprecedented enthusiasm In 4s2
a he has travelled 5000 miles and actually lived lctime
The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1910-06-17
LANGFORD FIGHT
WON'T GO ON-WEBB

SAN FRANCISCO. June IL
The state militia will be called out
II necessary to prevent the Kauf-
man-Langford fight Saturday. ac-
oording to Acknowledgement Webb.
Webb today drew attention TO the
fact that the governor is the COM
manderln-chief Of the militia, with
power TO order II into service at
any time. He said he had been
promised the support of the gov.
ernor's office. and would call for
troops II necessary TO enable him
to do his official duty
The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1910-06-17
WOMAN GUT
IN VICIOUS
NIGHT ATTACK
Man in Hotel Hall Slashes
Her With Knife and
Uses His Fists-Assail-
ant Makes His Escape.

With all her fingers almost Eeyer
cd from one hand and suffering
from a blow over the eye and two
knife wounds. one In her left shout
der and the other In her left breast.
Mrs. Charles Atorton. afiianced wife
OF Patrclman Leo Collins. told the
police this morning Of a mysterious
and murderous assault made upon
her IN the hallway OF the Bodlne
hotel. Fourth AZ. aud Pike st. about
2 o'clock this morning.
Mrs Atcfton. who despite her
injuries will we'd Psirolman Col.
Inns next Sunday. thinks the at.
tempt TO XIII her was made by
George McKilvey. an Alaskan Of
some means. who she says has been
insanely infatuated with her and
who has followed her from place to
place. bothering her in Everett
Portland and San Francisco She
won't say positively that Il was
Mckilvey. but the police are look.
ing for the man TO see what he
knows about the attempted murder
Mrs. Aterton was formerly Dolly
Glass, OF Camas, Wash.
He Attacks Her.
She retired In her room early last
night. but about o'clock this
morning awakened and went out
into the hall. At a corner In the
hall n man bounced upon her. He
first struck her over the eve with
his fist. and as she threw up her
hands TO shield herself from an.
other blow he pulled q big knife
She cptchcd az the knife In pull
ing the knife away and striking
downward her assailant almost
severed the fingers from the hand.
and then the knife blade struck a
glanCing blow on the left shoulder
and down across the left breast
She fell 10 the floor and the man
Wrued and fled.
Her screams attracted other
dodgers In the house and she was
sent to the city hospital, where she
was booked as Mrs. Collins. Chief
of Police Wappensteln made a
thorough investigation OF the as
sault this morning and IS inclined
to believe the story told by the
young woman and Collins, who was
summoned to the Bodine hotel by
friends Immediately after the as
sault.
The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1910-06-17

running through Wednesday, viii
be one OF the record weeks Of the
year, ranking with the big houses
of Warfield and George Conan.
Miss Adams play this year is
what Every Woman Knows by
James NJ Barrie, who wrote The
Little Minister and Peter Pan"
two of her previous big successes.
The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1910-06-17
FOUR Ex-PREsIDENTs MADE TRIPS.

-Four other cSpresdens have made trips abroad and in
htH day accorded honors which pale insgui-
aat Indifference IN comparison with those showcred self
sssd aunal naturalist The four cxpresidents Van
assa Fillmore, Grant and Benjamin Harrison. Grant with
sn record compared to that 81 Cacsa aud Napoelon
mud figure Tor that unenthusiastc time but his tour OF
Fph amos, parochal when considered with that OF the
The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1910-06-17
0oLpFfELD OFFERS
$4,000 FOR FIGHT

4 INV United rressl I
= GoLDFiELD. New, June IT, I
4 II Tex Richard will select Gold /,
= field for the Jcffries-Johnson I
= fight he win be assured the I
= sale of 5000 $50 seats by the I
= Chamber Of Commerce of Gold a,
= field I
A President Maurice X. Suill- I
4 van 81 the chamber has wired d,
4 Richard 10 this effect The I
4 pledge viii be supported by I
4 Goidfield, Tonopah. Rawhido q,
4 and Rhyollte.
A A A A A 4 A A A A A 4 A A A 4
The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1910-06-17

hsn April a. 1869, until March
4 Dis Col Roosevelt was ia the
Va q Africa, far from the reach
~ nanklnd. But memory OF him
~ aEa thriEed In his native land
mHaFy 80 ali laws cf absence.
Aay The newspapers chTonicled
= most lmmatcrial doings. the
Maasy and kind OF the beasts he
~ as physical condition and his
n1sas enioyment OF the big game
r<ff
Thsn Triumph Begins
ny triumph Ia civilized lands
szzn with bis arrival at Khar-
1AN - Esypt. Here the antennae
= 'hs telegraph and the cable
A1s = contact with him and car
20 hla every pulse beat over the
sid lntil then he vas a spec.
-sllzr romantic figure In the Jun.
e Wilderness. Henccforth he was
e monitor OF mankind. talking
s..'y % the point on many sub.
n began bis famous series Of
ssehes In Egypt. and almost the
~ words from his mouth we're
ssAsFsian In their fran kness
- honesty. He told the Egyp-
49, sofae unpalatabIe truths and
a.y Eazed at the storm Of pro-
ms words had aroused.
~ Vatican Incident stirred
= RELIGIOUS world to its founda-
a i many politicians saw
= eclipse Of Roosevelt. but he
- through the observation and
=. ~ nfsh In a stronger. brighter
~ sislble to all mankind.
Ne Dined With Xmas.
=. I" .hfee months he hObnobbed
80. - kihsa, kaizers and rulers OF
'srsa nations; spoke 70 learn
-. t's.les and university stu
= - honors such as no man not
- 'e.ai blood had ever before re.
-, we're heaped upon him. al.
~ ae was Theodore Roosevelt
.. = .. .ala what was IN him with.
= 4 lizard 10 time OF circumstance
$3.50 . ~ not seek popularity with
s.s platitudes. RE swung the
81, '' y all over Europe and len a
~ N, y sore heads. but even those
- ~ nursed cranial bumps readily
- - opealy admitted the truth and
~ s'sfe Of what he said
ssst y IL thus that he comes
ass..,I',. us tomorrow, Theodore
l.s ..sssa. the first citizen Of he
~ q the United States.
& ' tos want to study the hunt in
!. "slt Of the dictionary, please
u. ~, ~ following animals that
"s'aeeo In Rooseyelt's bag"
=, 's~brsskers, These.
So ps.rspringer. buteo. Hart.
4,r a'gaig. bushback, gemsbok.
iAsss.h vlahd. borgo, aardvark,
l.s.''s a. marabout, koodoo, boneo
lar singing topi. oribi,
cod soD' ealotis. strepisceros
"a oiae ,apaiia, duikare, stelnbuck
astIisd ~ me animals should be
- % Kermit who. as hunt.
The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1910-06-17
JEFFRIES TO
GO ON TO
RENO
Jeffries' Camp Prepares to
Move in Short Order
Arranging for New
Quarters in Nevada.


RENO, New, June ~. Sam
Berger, manager OF Jeffries, this
afternoon wired Moana Springs for
accommodations for Jeff and his
trainers.
RENO. New. June 17.-Orders
were received today by w. L. Nc
Carney. representing the fight pro
moiers here. 10 make arrangements
for training quarters for both JEFF
fries and Johnson. Jeffries prob
ably will train al Moana Springs.
and johnson at Isaughton's Hot
Springs Both locations are a few
miles outside OF Reno. Mccartney
arrived late yesterday Today.
with the merchants committee
that Is endeavoring to get the fight
here. he visited State park and
found Il admirably suited for an
arena.
The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1910-06-17
DISTANCES TRAVELLED BY ROOSEVELT.


ABOARD s. s kAisERN AuGusTE VICTORIA H.
today miles
schedule maintained
soos for home" Theodore
~ weather thick to-day and the somewhat rough
The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1910-06-17
PAS Illustration.

"pa. what Is q paradox ?"
"Well-let me soe'--fhis comb
ia. my son. You part with Il every
day. aud yet you have Il all the
time"
The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1910-06-17
"on to Reno"

ROWARDENNAN. June lion
to Reno" is the slogan In camp to-
day. Before nightfall II Is gener-
ally believed word will have been
received from Promoter Richard to
pack up and start for the sage
brush
When Sam Berger arrived in
camp II was pretty plain that he
had left behind all hope so far as
San Francisco is concerned. Il
seems to be the general belief that
there Is about one chance In a
thousand OF beating the attorney
general and the governor.
eerser's Hopes Gone.
To his intimates. Berger confided
his belief that the fight would not
be held In San Francisco. and on
the strength OF this tip they are
prepared 10 leave at short notice.
Tentative training quarters have
been offered Berger at Reno. and
they have been conditionally ac-
eepted. A definite acceptance. il
is understood here, will be wired
today.
RENO, New, June 17.-Reno is
wild over the prospect of getting
the Jeffries-Johnson fight. with a
chance fer the Langford-Kaufman
battle thrown in. Business men
here today are doing everything i'm
their power to get the two big
bouts.
A committee OF business men
has agreed TO pay for two licenses
covering both contests, TO erect an
enormous arena in the center of the
city. or wherever Richard and
Gleason may desire. The business
men will attend TO securing special
railroad rates. and do whatever
else the promoters and principals
may demand.
Arrangements have been made
with a big lumber concern and
with local contractors, insuring the
erection of an arena that will seat
10000 persons and be ready June
%.
The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1910-06-17
POINDExTER MEET
ING ON TONIGHT

4 The progressive republicans I
\ will open the Poindexter con I
4 sressional campaign in the !
4 nth ward with a big rally in 4
4 kidd's hall, Green Lake sta !
4 ton, tonight. A number Of the I
4 PoindeSter managers will be I
4 present, and will talk to the !
4 voters on the live issues Of the I
4 day.
The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1910-06-17
HALF THE COUNTRY
AT DOCK TO
MEET T.R.

Ptspaations to Meet Ex-Presdent Most Elaborate in
Nations Hstory-Army and Navy, Soldiers, Sail
os Statesmen, VIII All Be There Tomorrow.
The herald and news. [volume] (Newberry S.C.) 1903-1937, 1910-10-21
MIR, M. A. CARLISLE
DECLARED GUILTY
THE ATTORNEYS MAKE MOTION
FOR NEW TRIAL.
Argument to be Heard Next Monday
Conviction on Five of the 162
Counts.

Special to The Herald and News.
Greenville, Oct. 2O.-Milton A. Car
isle, of Newberry, was this morning
in the Uniuad States district court
convicted on five counts of violating
the National banking laws. The
counts upon which Mr.. Carlisle was
convicted were 1872, 153, 154, 159 and
$50. These counts cover the Cold
Point Granite company's drafts and
the Willard transactions.
A motion for a new trial was I'M
mediately made by Messrs. Blease and
Dominick, attorneys for the defense
This motion will be argued Monday
A local attorney stated this morn
ing that the minimum sentence on
each count was five years.
The herald and news. [volume] (Newberry S.C.) 1903-1937, 1910-10-21
MAJOR THEODORE DEHON DEAD.
Former Charlestonian Dies in Green.
ville-Once on The News and
Courier Staff.

Greenville, Oct. 18.-After long
illness, Major Theodore DeHon, pass
ed away this morning at his resi-
dence in this city. He was SO years
of age, and was well known through
out the State, and especially this Sec
tion.
Major DeHon was born in Charles
ton, and before the war farmed near
Walterboro. He was member of
Hampton's legion, serving through
three years of the war. After the
war he returned to Charleston and
was for about twenty-five years
journalist, being connected with the
News and Courier Of that city. He
later moved to this county, where he
has since been. His death, while not
entirely unexpected, has caused shock
and a deep regret among those who
knew him.
The herald and news. [volume] (Newberry S.C.) 1903-1937, 1910-10-21
SERVICES NEXT WEEK.
Beginning Sunday Series Of Services
Will be Held Aveleigh Presby-
terian Church.

The Rev. T. A. Dwyer, converted
Catholic priest and now Presbyte-
rian minister, will begin a series of
sermons or meetings in Aveleigh
Presbyterian church next Sunday
morning. This meeting will be con-
tinued during the week, the services
being held every evening at 8 o'clock
and a sermon by DR.. Dwyer.
At the morning service Sunday DR..
Dwyer will give a brief sketch of his
life and travels and of the work he
has been doing as we'll as Of his con-
version. DR.. Dwyer has Travelled ex-
tensively and this service will be OF
great interest. The public is cordial
II invited to the morning service next
Sunday and to the evening Services
during the week.
The herald and news. [volume] (Newberry S.C.) 1903-1937, 1910-10-21
Mrs. WelIman GrieVed.

Atlantic City, N. j., Oct. 1S.-"My
greatest sorrow is over the terrible
disappointment that it will be to my
husband and the men Of the America
over their failure to reach Europe,
was one of the declarations of Mrs.
Walter Wellman, wife Of the head OF
the America expedition this after
noon in discussing the rescue of her
husband.
eve are safe and we'll, Wallman." ."
This message was received by Mrs.
Wellman, who was with her daughters
and Mrs. Vaniaman, wife of the Chief
engineer of the airship.
After expressing her sorrow at the
failure of the enterprise, Mrs. Well
man continued:
Scientific Experiment.
eve must be proud Of the men who
risked their lives aboard the America,
but I know that Mr.. Wellman has al
ways considered the venture as a
scientific experiment"
Mrs. Wellman, her daughters and
Mrs. Vaniaman left for New York this
evening.
The herald and news. [volume] (Newberry S.C.) 1903-1937, 1910-10-21
Strongest of the Dixon Plays.

Playgoers of this city are looking
forward with the liveliest anticipation
to Friday, October %, at the opera
house when "The Sins of the Father"
will be presented by a notably excel
lent company under the direction Of
Manager George H. Brennan. Al
though but recently produced, the
fame Of Thomas Dixon's newest drama
has travelled fast. The verdict OF
critics and public alike is that this
play is by far that master craftsman's
strongest work. It deals with the
great problem of the intermixture OF
races. The plot hinges on the sus-
picion that a beautiful young woman,
a guest in an aristocratic home, is
tainted with the stain Of negro blood.
The herald and news. [volume] (Newberry S.C.) 1903-1937, 1910-10-21
HURRICANE QUITS LAND
AND GOES TO WATER

Savannah, Ga., Oct. 19.-Unless the
hurricane is playing 'possum, indica-
tions at 6 o'clock are that the storm
has passed to sea. It has been almost
dead calm all afternoon, due, accord
ing to the weather bureau, to the fact
that this immediate vicinity was in
the centre of the cyclone, in the hole
o. the doughnut-shaped storm, as ii
were.
But the period of calm has lasted
so long the belief prevails that the
storm has either weakened until 1t
is no longer dangerous, or has dis
appeared off the coast. The conduct
OF the storm has been so erratic, how
ever, that the shipping interests are
playing safe, and staying in port un-
til positive information about the
storm has been received.
A dispatch to the Morning News by
mail from Brunswick today narrates
the facts Of the storms visit to that
port. While no lives were lost, there
was great damage along the water
front. Two men, who were out hunt
ing marsh hens when the storm broke,
had not been accounted for this fore
noon, but they are not believed to
have perished.
Jacksonville, Fla, Oct 19.-Leaving
damages from the East to West
coasts, the tropical hurricane passed
over the Peninsula into the Atlantic
last night and the wind has shifted
from the northeast to the southwest
still blowing a gale of between 81
and 45 miles an hour.
Wires are down all through the
State and are very little better than
yesterday What reports have been
received indicate a gale of over sixty
miles in every city in the Peninsula
and sometimes amounting as high as
80 or 90.
Only one fatality has been reported
since the message from Key West in
the State. An electrician in Deland
met instant death when entering a
business house to fix a broken wire.
More encouraging news comes from
the State. Outside OF the damage to
the crops there has been comparative
ly little damage considering the wide
area OF the storm. Every city heard
from throughout the State report the
electric plants dead. In Jacksonville
the municipal plant is still OUT ct
commission.
The herald and news. [volume] (Newberry S.C.) 1903-1937, 1910-10-21
Pleasure Resort Destroyed.

The South Beach section and the
western part Of the city suffered the
greatest from the storm. The sea
poured over the low lying shores and
many houses facing the ocean were
either wrecked or blown from their
foundations. The pleasure resort, La
Brisa, a large wooden building, was
hurled from it's supports and broke
in half.
Only three lives are reported lost.
Alexander Johnson, colored, his wife
and four children, while attempting to
leave their home, near South Beach,
were caught by wave. The mother
and father each carried two of the
children. The father escaped, while
the mother and two of the children
were drowned.
The herald and news. [volume] (Newberry S.C.) 1903-1937, 1910-10-21
WRECK AND RUIN
IN STORMS WAKE
HURRICANE SWEEPS FLORIDA
AND PASSES NORTHWARD.
Millions of Dollars Of Property Loss
in West Indian BlOW-Peninsular
Bears Brunt Of Storm.

Savannah, Ca, October 1S.-At mid
night Savannah appears to be we'll with
in the influence of the West Indian
hurricane, which has been headed in
this direction from over Florida all
day. The wind is blowing sixty miles
an hour, and the velocity is increasing
hourly, indicating the steady advance
Of the storm.
Tybee Inundated.
Salt water resorts in the vicinity of
Savannah have suffered most At Ty-
bee the sea. has broken over the wall
at the government reservation and
the parade ground is under several
feet Of water. The new Tybee hotel
stands in the ocean, and miles of the
island car tracks have been washed
away.
The herald and news. [volume] (Newberry S.C.) 1903-1937, 1910-10-21
Velocity of One Hundred Miles.

Washington, Oct. 1S-The following
telegram was received by cable from
the weather bureau observer at Key
West, Fla, today:
Pressure fell rapidly to 2S.46 at
3.45 p. m, then wind shifted to south;
no steady rise; anemometer cups
blown away 230 p. N. The estimated
maximum velocity was over 100 miles
an hour; wind blew over eighty miles
per hour for three hours. Storm last
e6 fifteen hours. The tides have been
extremely high and buildings inundat-
ed over ten feet; building damaged
about 1000. Station force here and
al Sand Key safe. Considerable dam
age in city. Awful experience.
The herald and news. [volume] (Newberry S.C.) 1903-1937, 1910-10-21
THE NEWS OF PROSPERITY.
Mr.. A. G.. Wise and Miss Minnie Hus-
sung Married-Personal Men
ton.

Prosperity, Oct. 20.-Miss Mae Lee
Barre, Of Chattanooga, Tenn, is the
guest Of her sister, Mrs. E. W. Werts.
Mr.. W. E. Monts left Wednesday for
Pendleton, S. c., where he has ac-
cepted the position of superintendent
of Pendleton graded school.
Mr.. John Pat Wise, of University OF
South Carolina, is spending the week
end at home.
Mr.. o. c. Shealy, Of Saluda, will
open school Monday at O'Neall on
Route No. 1.
Miss Helen Nichols, Of Utopia, has
entered Prosperity high school.
Misses Mae Lee and Kate Barre
spent Tuesday in Columbia.
The first lyceum attraction will be
on November 5.
Miss Lille Chapman, of Utopia,
spent Tuesday with Mrs. j. A. Simp-
son.
Miss Minnie Hentz, of Pomaria, is
spending the winter with Mrs. 3. B.
Schumpert and will attend Prosperity
high school.
Miss Gertrude Simpson, field mis-
sionary worker of South Carolina sy-
nod, is in Chaplin in the interest OF
the work.
We are glad to note that we now
have a photographer in town.
Mr.. A. G. Wise and Miss Minnie
Hussung, Of Columbia, were married
Wednesday afternoon in Columbia.
The herald and news. [volume] (Newberry S.C.) 1903-1937, 1910-10-21
FOR SECRETARY OF STATE FAIR.
J. NJ. Cantey Opposes Incumbent, D.
F. Efrd, of Lexington.

Columbia, October 18.-There is a
very spirited campaign on for secre-
tary of the South Carolina Agricul-
tural and Mechanical society between
the incumbent, D. F. E6rd, of Lex
ington, and the present assistant Sec
retary, J. NJ. Cantey, of Columbia.
Mr.. Efrd was chosen by the execu-
tive commission in February to sue
ceed Secretary Lex Love, resigned.
The election will take place at a
meeting of the society on Wednesday
of fair week.
The herald and news. [volume] (Newberry S.C.) 1903-1937, 1910-10-21

failed in the first attempt ever made
to cross the Atlantic through the air.
A bruised right hand which Wellman
carried in a sling was the only ply
sical injury that resulted from their
long voyage of approximately 800
miles and a rescue the like Of which
is unknown in all history.
Equilibrator Caused Failure.
Standing on the deck Of the Trent,
Wellman made this statement:
eve thought we could get along
without the equilibratorl Now we
find we could not get along with 1t.
Our plans for the future are indefinite
until we find something that will do
what we thought the equilibrator
would do"
The "equilibrator" to which Well
man attributes the failure Of his Voy-
age, was the series of tanks contain
ing gasoline which foated in the wat
er attached to the airship by long
pipe.
The direct cause for abandoing the
America was the exhaustion Of the
supply of gasoline, which had to be
thrown out to save the ship. When
the crew abandoned the balloon only
enough was left to last about "a
hours. This is Wellmac's descrip-
ton Of how he hurt his hand.
Wellman's Hand Hurt.
"While we were afoat in our life
boat trying to reach the Trent, I tried
to grasp rope thrown from the
steamer. In some way the rope got
twisted about my hand and before I
could get loose it nearly tore off my
little finger and badly bruised the
rest Of the hand"
The other members Of the Americas
crew said they felt as we'll as ever
and they looked 1t. They are:
Melvin Vaniman, the engineer.
J. Murray Simons, the navigator.
J. z. Irwin, the wireless operator.
Albert L. Loud and John Aubert,
the air sailors.
And the Cat Came Back.
There was also the gray kitten,
which was so pampered by the women
passengers aboard the steamer that
her sides bulged with flooding. She
had made the air voyage as name
less, but on board the liner was
promptly christened "Trent" She
left the steamer on Mr.. Vaniman's
shoulder.
Mrs. Wellman Sheds Tears.
With tears in her eyes Mrs. Well
man embraced her husband and kiss
ed him on both cheeks. The aged
Mrs. Loud stood weeping, with one
arm around the neck of her son and
other about her son-in-law, while Mrs.
Vaniman also in tears Of Joy, hung
on her husbands arm.
The herald and news. [volume] (Newberry S.C.) 1903-1937, 1910-10-21
key West Suffers.

Key West, Fla, Oct. 18.-Via Ha-
vana, Cuba-The tropical hurricane,
which has been sweeping over the
West Indies and Southern waters for
the last five days took Key West in
it's grip yesterday and tore away the
roofs of houses, shook a number of
buildings from their foundations, blew
vessels from their moorings and did
other damage, the extent of which
can not yet be estimated.