Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1910-03-04
Leaders of the Exclusive Social
Set Flock to Committee
Room to Hear Him.
DOESN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS.
Ncrtrccs Asked Him 10 Cite a Single
Fact Detrimental Co Ballingcr and
He Named letter to President


committee. the crush 10 get into the
hearing room since clifford PincEot
took the stand has been such that even
the handing OF newspaper COPY out
of the room has az times been impos-
sihle. Ninety-nine out Of the hundred
spectators crowded daily about the
committee table are women.
Louis r. CLAWS was the hero OF the
throng while be- was ON the stand ac-
cusing Socy BaIlingcr. but he has gone
into eclipse now that Mr. Pinchot the
deposed forester and friend Of couser-
walton, is holding the center Of the
stage The Pinchot family has long
been prominent in the exclusive society
circles OF the capital and since Mr..
Pinchot took the stand many OF the
leaders OF this set have been present.
Mrs. Pinchot. the mother Of the for
mer forester has been az the hearings
almost daily. She usually Is surround
ed by half a score Of friends
When the committee adjourned Tues
day afternoon the REORGANIZATION Of
Mr.. Pinchot had just been started by
Atty. John j. Nertrecs. representing Mr.
Ballinger and the other accused Of
hcials Of the interior department Upon
the resumption Of the hearing this
morning there was every indication
that Mr.. pinchot would be on the
stand all day
A POINTED QUESTION.
As soon as Mr. Pinchot took the
stand this morning Atty. Vertrees for
Mr.. Balllngor asked him this question.
Mr.. PinchOt please state one single
fact Of your own knowledge that re-
fleets upon Mr.. Ballingcr's conduct
either as commissioner Of the land Of
flee OF secretary Of the interior-not
hearsay-not what somebody else said
or wrote-Of your own knowledge"
The witness hesitated. Then he ad-
dressed Senator Nelson.
Mr.. Chairman: In order 20 answer
that question because Of the nice dis
elimination IL Involves / must ask your
permission 20 refer 60 a list ] have
here OF the things Mr. Ballinger has !
done"
The permission was granted. and |
after perusal Of the list Mr Pinchot |
said:
The fact Of my own knowledge is /
Mr. Ballingcrs letter To- the president /
Of Nov. 10. with which ne enclosed /
Roraid's letter. These letters contain
which ] have already |
shown and am prepared further %
show"
Mr.. Ncrtrees-You have testified here
largely by Inference and inuendo. Now
state what YOU personally know Mr
I3allingor said or did
Mr.. Pinchot The letter Of Nov Is.
what elso2'
Il never discussed the Cunningham
vases with Mr. Baliuger The only
knowledge / have at first hand is limit
'd 20 writings that are not Disputed"
Questioned as 20 the rcprimand no ]
gave Asst. Law officer shaw and Asst
Forester Price. Mr.. Puchot admitted
hat at heart" he approved Of the
motives Of the two i'm doing what they
lid. but did not approve Of their meth.
% of doing IL. He denied that either
10 or any Of his people owned stock In
be POCahOntas Coal COMPANY
THE family has some stock On a coal !
company I'm Illinois, he added. "but 1
ave not"
RELATIONS WITH BALLINGER.
Mr. Pinchot said that up to the time
.c sent CLAWS Co President Taft The ]
Citations between himself and Mr. Bal
niger had been fairly friendly, not
lorc than that"
He was not more friendly. because
e knew MT Ballingers views as 10 !
observation were different from his
wn
Then YOU were unfriondly?"
NO. I distrusted him."
you mean distrusted his pollcios7"
- distrusted his policies and what
q would do"
so. Mr. Pinohot" said Mr.. Vertreos.
a ftcr an that statement YOU made 10
lc committee when YOU took the |
.aud. an you can cite against Mr.
laliingcr Of your own knowledge is the
liter of Nov. 40 To the PRESIDENT"
90 said / expected 10 prove some OF
lc things ! charged by other witt
ssses"
Referring 90 his testimony that Mr.
,allingcr as commissioner Of the land |
flee had protested against the creation
+ the Chugach forest IN Alaska IN
hitch some Of the Cunningham claims !
re- located MI. Piuchot said he had |
over read Mr.. Ballinger's letter Of
rotest and did not know what reasons
e. gave.
Mr. Vertrees-Don't you think Il
.ould have been only fair 90 have read !
before submitting IL here with the
iferences that might be drawn from
our testimony?
KNOWLEDGE OF BALLINGER's
STAND
Mr. Pnchot-My knowledge Of Mr.
auinger's position was based on an
lterview with him I'm Mr GarneId's
flee and ! understand 10 90 be hostile
, what We have since come 70 call ,
luservation.
Mr. Pinchot declared that while the
tier of protest had been ON file with ,
io committee for some time. a regu- ,
tion Of the committee permitting | /
luusol only TO examine the docu- \
cnts had prevented his reading 10
A long discussion ensued as TO the | D
odihcation OF the rule hut the mat q
r was put over for consideration ia | D
,ecutive session
Atty Brandeis remarked that the !
der OF the committee had worked /
great hardship on counsel y
When Representative DENLY stated
.at he plainly understood counsel TO
gree with the committee as 70 the
-oprietv Of tho course decided upon,
r. Brandeis said he made his state [
ent with no purpose OF critcizing /
10 committee. 4
Atty Vcrtrees sought 10 question the /
itness further as TO why he had not 4
.ad tho letter but was stopped by Z
.c committee. Z
Mr.. Pinchot was asked To read the
tier when he had concluded Mr. G.
entrees asked 4
Does that letter indicate hostility I