The Washington herald. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1906-1939, 1910-12-20
SENATORS REVOKE
SHERMAN RULING

Continued from Page One.
rules, and unconseiously, according 10 his
friends, attempted to adapt the Senate
rules to his own way of thinking.
1t is a notable fact that practically ali
the Senators who have seen service in
the House voted yesterday to sustain
the ruling OF the Vice President. Among
these may be mentioned Lodge, Lorimer.
Carter. Dixon, Jones. and Smith OF
Michigan. The Senate old guard and the
insurgents joined in overruling the Vice
President.
Stockings Cause Trouble.
The trouble arose over $50 worth of
silk stockings and $Sl zoe in gold. which
were lost with the destruction of the sail
ing vessel Venus. in the Mediterranean.
The Venus claim is one of those includ-
cd in the French spoliation series. a mo-
ton was made TO strike it from the
omnibus claims bill, which was before
the Senate for consideration. Senator
BristoW. OF Kansas. maintained that the
silk hosiery and gold alleged TO be lost
were the property of the captain of the
Venus, and that Uncle Sam could not
justly be held responsible for the claim.
The motion to strike out was lost by a
vote OF q 10 3. The number Of Sena-
tors voting was three shy of quorum
The Vice President, however, announced
that there were enough Senator'S not
voting who had announced their pairs
&c make a quorum.
Instantly Senators were on their feet
demanding recognition. and after some
clio moi
motion made by Senator Hale. appealing
from the decision of the Chair, was put
and carried
Don't Want Reed Rules.
Senators seemed inclined to emphasize
the fact that they will not tolerate any
suggestion Of the Reed rules in the SEN
ate.
Those Senators voting to sustain the
chair were Bourne. Brown. Bradley, Car.
ter. Crawford. Cullom. Dixon. GGllinger,
Jones. Lodge. Lorimer. Page. Piles.
Root Scott, Smith of Michigan. and
Warner. The Senators voting in the neg
alive were Bacon. Bailey Beveridge.
Borah. Bandegee, Bristow. BuTkett.
Burnham. Chamberlain. Clapp. Clark OF
Wyoming, Culberson. Cummins. Dick.
Fletcher. Flint, Hale, Hepburn. kean. la
Toilette. McCumber, Money. Nelson.
Newiands. Overmsn. owen Paynter.
Perkins. Percy. Purcell, Shiveiy. Sim
mons. Swanson. Taliaferro, Terrell.
Thornton. and Young.
Senator CuIberson said 'the attempt to
count a quorum OF the Senate was with
out precedent" and he protested against
the ruling OF the Chair as being in viola
ton Of The rules of the Senate and the
precedents in this body"
Senator Hale said he did rTot look upon
the incident as disturbing. for the reason
that nobody was harmed and no interest
affected by the ruling. with all his
great parliamentary knowledge" con-
tinued the Senator from Maine, ''the Vise
President has followed his natural habits
inherited from another body and done
what was never done before in this body
I say this, for il is in the minds Of Sena-
tors, but I know the Vice President did
not intend To violate the usages OF the
Senate"
Senator Carter maintained that the
ruling OF the Chair was correct. and that
it was no violation OF the rules of the
Senate to count tho announcing pairs
for the purp r ~ making a quorum.
When asked = senator Hale If he had
any recollection IA such a thing having
been done before III the Senate, he said
he did not
Smith supports Sherman.
Senator Smith. OF Michigan. eoncurred
in the view Of the Senator from Mon
taua. He declared that the Vice
President is not color blind and must
take notice Of the presence of Senator's
answering 70 their names
In response 10 the observation OF SEN
ator Shively, OF Indiana, that the prece-
dent Of 100 years had been violated. the
Vice President said that he had numer-
Gus precedeuts for the ruling made by
him. He declared that Vice Presidents
Breckenridge. Thurman. Fairbanks and
others had set the precedent for count
ing a quorum
was there any rule OF the Senate 10
warrant these rulings asked Senator
Shively.
I Only cite the presidents mentioned
remarked Vice President Sherman.
There were remarks by Senator Bailey.
CuIberson, Bacon. Hepburn, and others.
Senator Bacon said that ne did not think
il important 10 change the Journal for the
reason that it was generally agreed
among Senators that a quorum could not
be counted by the Chair for the passage
OF legislation
Senator Hale stated the debate had
shown that Senators are almost unani-
nous in the opinion that they win never
permit infringement OF the rules of the
Senate. The Journal was finally approved
without change, one OF two Senators vot-