New-York tribune., 1910-12-17
Still Thinking About Fourth Ave-
nue. Subway. Says Mr.. Win
ter. Who DisIikes Route.
BID COMES LATER. IF AT ALL
PROBLEM of Depressing Tracks at
Old Bridge Most Serious One
To Be Met in Connecting
Big Structures.

i$eSfer02T fhaf MS company "cul0 S1p-
init within 2 few days a new bid to
Operate the Centre street subway loop
here in connection with the elevated
ltrein service across the Brooklyn and
Williamsburg bridges.
Mr.. Winter still refused to confirm re-
sports that the Brooklyn Rapid Transit
company was going to make a bid in the
near future for operation of the Fourth
lsvenue subway. He said such a bid
was possibility. and would be contem-
splsted as long as necessary, but he re-
fused to commit himself. AS a subway
iroute he thinks the Fourth avenue line
is pretty bad.
bid of the Brooklyn Rapid Transit
tCompany for the operation of the Fourth
levenue subway. if accepted by the city,
would he welcomed by the Interborough.
i.r is thought. In its proposal to build
lsGbv@ar extensions the Interborough Of
lfe1ed ia operate the Fourth avenue sub
i,.av. and made its strongest argument to
lo~ercome popular antagonism toward
l,nonopoly by making the alurins prom
ks-e of = fi7-e-rent fare from The Bronx
tro Coney Island. That promise could
i,,c.- be kept if the Brooklyn Rapid Tran
keit Company gets the Fourth avenue
IsubHey. except by some traffic arrange
fnaent
s report in the financial district that
te Eentlemeus agreement had been en-
hered ;nto between the Brooklyn Rapid
tTransit Company and the Interborough
kby rhich the two companies would re-
Erain from invading each others terri
shc was
kiescribed by Mr. Winter as absolute
Erct"
The Froc.slyn comnany's first offer to
Aoperate the subway loop was turned
tdovn ny the Public Service Commission
because the payments TO the city pro-
kposed by the company were not ade-
souate. The new offer will be more lib
Aeral in that respect.
Engineering Problems Involved.
The problem of connecting the ele-
f-ated tracks now running across the
iBrooklyn Bridge with the new subway
t1ermnal under the municipal building
ihas been considered as the greatest OBJ
istacle in the way of operating the sub
way loop by the Brooklyn Rapid Transit
COMPANY. Mr.. Winter did not disclose
yesterday how the engineering problem
OF depressing the present tracks on a
practical bic grade would be solved.
1t is known, however. that a strength
;.ning Of the old bridge has been decided
upon TO begin as soon as the new Man
haitian Bridge can be used to its fullest
capacity. In the process OF reconstruc-
.tion the approach Of the old bridge, as
far as the elevated tracks are con-
Acerned, could be changed so as to
make the connection with the loop on
ia grade easily negotiable by Brooklyn
fRapid Transit cars.
MI. Winter said frankly yesterday
:,hat an offer by his company would be
LahsoluteIy excluded If the type of cars
used by 1t now could not be operated in
the subway loop. as the cost of new
sequiprnent. estimated by him at s14.-
,tg0nao would be too high for considera-
sion. but he intimated that no difficulty
~ as expected that ground.
IF the city is willing to accept our
terms" Mr.. winter said, we will oper-
ate the loop"
As 10 the Fourth avenue subway Mr..
Winter said that he had frequently CON-
.>erred with the Putsic Service Commits
.sio,7 on tn matter. but that formal
offer had been made by his company.
The line is not finished. and the prob
T, ability Of our operating It has seemed
Extremely remote said Mr.. Winter. ct
certainly would be physically possible
TO use the Fourth avenue subway a
channel n distribute our growing traffic
Through The MOST congested districts"
VIII Not Speak Definitely
rr Winter would not say definitely
iohether the offer would he made. or
:~hen-
f. AS long ~ theoe is a possibility of our
,rskins proposal concerning the Fourth
,syenue subway he said. 'it will be
contemplated, but it is difficult to make
:en offer, as this route is a transportation
- bortion."
1t Was pointed olt yesterday that the
!Prcoklyn Rapid Transit was now in pos
;session of the old Ambrose cut from
J<=-sveeend and New Utrecht avenues to
t:;9th street and the Bay This cut, which
tss now devoted to freight traffic, could
tl,e connected with the Fourth avenue
.subway and used in rapid transit.
I The. Interborough announced yester- |
;aay that the work of increasing the |
Fighting facilities Of all subway stations |
had been completed Many new lights |
have been added and more powerful |
bulbs will be used
Five members. of the board of directors |
of the Brooklyn Academy of Music ~
reared Yesterday before the Public Ser |
vice Commission TO protest against the |
proximity of the Fourth avenue subway |
10 the Academy. They expressed the |
fear that vibration caused by subway |
trains might spoil the acoustics.
Colonel Willis L. Ogden asked for |
come change in the plans OF the sub |
way that would prevent injury OF any |
pind TO the building. This the commits
sion refused TO consider, despite the |
,hreat of the directors to fight the mat
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