The Detroit times. [volume] (Detroit, Mich.) 1903-1920, 1910-09-02
Council Committee Favorable To Pro-
posed Grant on Day-To- Day Basis
and Matter May Be Submitted at
November Election.
Question of New D. U. R. Appraisal
Discussed, But Matter Goes Over
u. For Week.


practically barren of results.
The committee did make some prog.
ress with reference 10 the application
OF the Michigan United Railways Co.
for permission To come into the city.
On motion OF Aid. Korte the committee
decided TO ask the council at its next
regular meeting, TO instruct the cor
poration counsel to draft an ordinance
In accordance with the day to day
plan submitted by the company, using
the company's draft OF the proposition
az basis. While Mr.. Hally is getting
the ordinance In shape the committee
Will be mapping out route to incor.
porate In the ordinance, and an effort
will be made to finish this work in
time for the submission of the NJ. ".
RS proposition 10 the people at the
election in November
The company offers eight tickets for
q quarter with transfers TO any line
that will transfer with IL. This meanI
IL the ordinance Is adopted, that pas
seneers may transfer from the M. u.
X. cars entering the city to any OF the
three-cent lines of the d. u. r. sys-
tenn, for the old Detroit Railway ord
be issued to any line that will recipro-
cate in this respect. Corporation
Counsel Hally has given an opinion
that the city would be properly safe
guarded under the plan proposed and
that there Is nothing illegal about 1t
whatever
comparatively easy. When il comes
60 he to - he ~ ho
committee found itself once more up
In the air and there il remained.
Lets take this question up and set
tie it, began Aid. owen. just to &c,
the discussion started
You've got about as much chance
to settle II as a SNOWFALL has in hell"
sagely observed Aid Gutman. The
only chance you've got TO settle this
question is TO get a vote on municipal
ownership or a decision in the Hally
ordinance case. We've got 10 have
something TO use as a club
From then on the Hally ordinance
came in for a good deal of discussion
At the suggestion of Mayor Brett
meyer, Secretary Schreiter read Pres
ident's Hutchins' last letter TO his
honor. calling attention TO the fact
volved in the Hally ordinance litiga
ton, as the ID. U. r. claims The
mayor suggested that Mr.. Hally be
asked to push the case to an early
hearing.
Assistant Corporation Counsel Law
son, who was present in the place Of
his chief, who is on vacation. took is
sue with Mr.. Hutchins' claim that the
IIally nr1tpanca ipun1vaa tho question
OF valuation. General Manager Brooks
was called on for his opinion and he
in turn, sent for Attorney Charles
Joslyn to state the case from law
yer's standpoint.
I'VE insist that the valuation has
nothing whatever TO do with the Hally
ordinance" insisted Lawson, when
Joslyn had had his say. THE only
question involved is, does the opera
ton of a single car over the lines on
which franchises have expired, after
this ordinance takes effect, constitute
an acceptance by the company of the
terms OF the ordinance? We contend
that it does The position OF the city.
Mr.. Joslyn, is that IL owns its streets
and that you have no right to operate
your cars on streets where the fran
chises have expired except on terms
fixed by the city. The question OF
valuation has nothing to do with the
case. You must operate on our terms
or get out. And II you don't abide by
our terms we can stop your cars
The cars will not stop running while
I am mayor" spoke up Mayor Brett
meyer with much earnestness. II
want to live while yet and wouldn't
attempt to say what might happen III
the people were deprived Of street car
service"
The committee finally got around
to the question of a new appraisal
when II was discovered that the
Hally case is not yet at issue in the
court of appeals and that there is lit
tie likelihood of an early hearing.
IF there is going to be new ap-
praisal the ID. o. X. has got to pay
for It." boldly declared Aid. HARPER.
II don't believe the ID. u. X. should
do anything of the kind" said Aid.
owen. at might prejudice the peo-
pie against them"
A. ]. Wenzel, Detroit engineer
associated with Roberts & Abbott, OF
Cleveland, was present and was ask
ed for an estimate as to the cost OF
a new appraisal. He thought IL would
cost $4,000, basing his estimate on
the cost of similar job recently per-
formed for the Grand Rapids II
Muskegon Power Co The cost. in
this case, was one per cent, which
would give the ID. u. X. valuation
OF $20,OO0,OOo. according to his esti-
mate.
Mr.. Brooks took occasion to public
ly rap Engineer Bancroft, denouncing
his appraisal as an absolute failure
and declaring that Bancroft had fool
Cd everybody
Aid. owen finally made motion
that the council be requested to give
the committee authority TO proceed
with a new appraisal at the expense
of the ID. u. X. and to submit the
question OF whether the cost should
be added to the valuation as finally
fixed to the people. The motion was
not put TO vote, however. and II
was decided, finally, to take the mat
ter under advisement until next We'd
nesday morning at 10 o'clock At
torney Clyde Webster expects 10
have Engineer Frederick Walker
here at that time TO give the com
mittee an estimate as to how much IL
would cost to make a new appraisal
using the Bancroft appraisal IA n