The Salt Lake herald-Republican. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1909-1918, 1909-11-25
Lord Rosebery Warns British
1eers That the Very Exist
ence of the Upper House Of
Parliament Is Now at Stake.
INTENSE INTEREST IN
DEBATE ON THE BUDGET
Bishops Afraid to Take Part in
Discussion Some Doubt
as to the Wisdom of the
Resolution of LanSdOWne.
SOME D0DGING EXPECTED
The Salt Lake Herald
Vol. 157. No. So.

London, Nov. 24.-Lord Rosebery,
former Liberal prime minister, today
raised the historic struggle between
the lords and the house Of commons
to new plane by one of the finest
speeches he ever has delivered. He
warned the lords of the grave risks
they were running if they adopted
the Lord Lansdowne resolution to re-
jeet the budget.
Interest In today's debate was intense.
There was not enough room to seat all
the peers attending, and the public gal
leries were crowded. The Duchess Of
COnnaught headed a long list OF the
foremost peeresses, many OF whom were
compelled to stand throughout.
Lord Salisbury resumed the debate
with speech supporting Lord Lans-
dOwne's resolution, after the Archbishop
of Canterbury had said that the bish-
ops would stand aside from the dis
cussion, as the debate was strictly Of a
party character, Lord ROsebery fol-
lowed in long speech, giving the lords
plain warning Of the danger in the
path they We're treading. He said:
Gravity of the Situation.
Il am quite disassociated from any
/ party and speak from my sense of the
awful gravity of the situation. This
| is the greatest political moment in the
lifetime Of any man born since 1882"
Lord Rosebery admitted that, by the
| letter of the law, the house of lords
was competent to reject finance bills,
but since the reform Of 1892 it was not
possible that the commons should send
up budget which the house of lords
should go to the length of rejecting. He
considered that the only possible cir
cumstances justifying the lords in ex-
ercising such a dormant power would
be the direct authority of the nation
Itself, Such a circumstance might arise
If budget were presented which low
cred the defenses of the country to a
point which the nation considered dan
gerous. He doubted whether the lords
were choosing the best battlefield. They
were playing for too heavy a stake and
were risking the very existence Of the
house Of lords.
Should Pass the Bill.
/ A winning policy, continued the speak
er, would be to allow the budget bill
to pass and give the country six
months experience Of its intOlerable i'm
positions, loss of capital and employ
AlCILl- IH6y WOuAQ lnSQ acHleNe. when
they next approached the polls. a vic
tory that would surprise themselves
He looked with much apprehension to
the result of an appeal to the country
mixed up with such other issues as
would be raised.
I do not speak of menaces," he add
/ ed THE house Of lords has lived on
! menaces ever since I can remember.
and it is still thriving But the men
aces now used are used by men bent
/ on having a single chamber. Their
/ efforts are revolutionary in essence, if
/ not in fact"
Dealing with the question Of the
| reform Of the house Of lords, which
/ Lord ROsebery had long advocated, he
| expressed the conviction that no ad-
| justments Of the difference between the
/ houses could be arranged without a.
/ form of referendum.
Budget Denounced.
/ He denounced the budget in the
/ strongest terms and said that one
maxim burned into them by bitter ex-
| periences was that there should be no
/ taxation without representation.
/ Disregard for that maxim" he said,
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