The Washington times. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1902-1939, 1909-01-30


and 1 chased down "a great many cases. /
and the newspapers had IT, wei, mere /
IS another death by carbon monoNlde, /
due 20 water gas I found that IL was 4
moi "a case of carbon mOuONide at all, /
round a great many cases i'm which IL
was due TO coal gas. AT the same tiIle,
controversy. there was a great deal or {
coal gas used, more coal gas than any
thing else I'm Now York city, and ! car
ned that out for a year or Two, put
finally dropped il.
As Old as History.
Air. TAYLOR-These men slept IN
room vnere they had "a coal stove WITH
uut any pipe to it, and the fumes from
the burning coal in the stove oNefcal'l0
them and killed them
Mr.. IOVE-That is as old as history
TO commit suicide by starting a coal hte
and putting "a lid over H.
AIr. TAYLOR-These men came n 10
set out of the cold they did not Try 10
commit suicide .f...
NIr. NuJRPHY-D0 you know whether
there has been any increase IN ldIdl dt-
--{daDtl since the substitution OF the
heavier oils Tor napnJAa III tlte "o'S'
gas process - -
AIR. LOVE-Y0u mean the increase OF
the consumption of the heavier OILS over
Mn 9IIrRPTIY-No. 1 mean has there
been any increase In the IaIal accidents,
or decrease in the number OF Ldt"I az
Nh, 7LovE-After the introduction OF
m EIJ7RPEY-No: I mean after the
heavier oils were substituted loF haph-
tina. .7-
ing to do with it, They are merely u9S4
Tor caTbJreting material They do uoi
produce carbon monoXide. That exists
Al Inc ' .ISf5 l5iiV-vou stUI have not an
svyared nIy question. asked YOU
whether YOU know If there has peen
any Increase OF decrease since that
Nj LOVE-I do not.
Question of Quickness.
ar. sIJs-L,et me ask you this. as you
Ere a competent witness 10 testify Say
,-o7, have a Derson in a room. It makes
no difference about the size. The same
volume OF coal gas goes into that room,
and then another person in another
room of The same size with the same
volume of gas containing exceeding %
per cent OF carbon monoNide. Which
would produce death hrst-in the least
M. LOVE- think very likely the
water gas would.
AR STRfS-NOw. as a rule. does IL
not produce death in nalf the time, or
less then half the time lt would take
coal gas TO produce death under similar
Condifiors?
MT. IOVE-No sir: I do not think
you can put it down on numerlcai
Mr. sIMsBut on the average it IS
1r. LOvE-Oh, yes; 81 would be less
Fn the case of coal gas,
Ar STAIS-In other words. the eX-
posture OF the person 10 the limitation
of gas exceeding 20 per cent Win CIR
hon mOuOXide would produce death Oh
fatal injury i'm less time than the IN
halatiCn Of coal gasf
Mr.. LOVE- think II viii result q
SIr sIMS-Now. then. as d practical
result must it not necessarily IollON
that from the same accidents the SAINT
leakagess the Same carelessntss a GU.
served by water gas carbureted water
Eas. would have greater nuinpEr O
fatalities than a like city served b.
Mr. LOVE-It might.
AIr. SIAIS-It is nsturale
Mr. I4OVEs-It is a natural inference
from the conditions.
Mr. SIAlS-Ihens therefore, mere
necessarily greater danger 10 NC aI'
health In using water gas than an e5
clusivcly coal gas with the same ar
and the same exposure and the same
conditions
Mr.. Loves Conclusions.
Mr.. LOVE- think that is natura
inference.
Mr.. SBIS-But you are not ready q
state that that is sufficient TO eXclud
the use of water gas from this or an;
other city
Mr.. LOVE- think the advantage o
water gas FAR suTpa5seS any Glsadyau
1age il may have we do not think u
uiplue out the use Of matches becaus
they burn up more children every yea
than are ever injured by water ga
We never think Or going back 10 tL
old flint and steel. We never lhlu
Of doing away with ustroglycefln' ou
Il kills more people every year lila
the water gas We never think OF 50
ing back from the trolley cars 10 IN
old horse cars because more people al
killed by the trolley cars every yea
rhan are ever killed by water gas.
Mr.. SINS-That is simply matter O
uolicv for the House TO determine 10
itself but the bin before as IS 10 llml
the carbon mOnOXide here 70 10 per cen
which fl has been testified here w2ul
practically mean the prohibition OF th
Use OF water gas. Therefore I'D cor
sideriug this bin, So is just a questlo
q prohibiting the use or permitting ijf
End of Investigation.
Mr.. LOVE-Exact,v.
Mr.. IS-CouseQueutIy. suythin
bearing on that question IS proper fc
the committee TO consider.
STr. MOORE-If that is your view
then fl would mean the dismantiug
Of Capltslt
Would Stop Manufacture.
Mr. LOVE-It would practically sto
the manufacture or water gas in WASH
Lngtou and all over the world wheI
water gas is made today.
Mr. MOORE Assuming that we a
agree that il is desirable thing 10 sa7
life wherever possible and 90 preyei
destruction or life by mOuOZide or an
other gas. have you any suggestions
make 20 the committee as 90 how ~
loss OF Iife might bee ieseel-a by teglst
lion while continuing the use Of Wau
lfr. LOEE-I 90 not think legislatir
can ever DO it, think you have 10 IN
ulsh brains To- the people. that is. tlt
must know sometHiu" about the use
these gases coal gas as Wei aE wat
gas r could not suggest anything
Ihe wav Of legislation.
Bfr. hIDDEE-4HeU you regard p
matter Of saving Hle purely as 81 matt
q education OF the people,
FIr. LDEL-Eo faF as ilat very ra
McuIar point ls concerned yes
H. MOORE do not think we Cd
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