The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1909-11-25
ROSEBERY WARNS
LORDS OF ENGLAND
Former Liberal Prime Minister
Raises Historic Struggle
to New Plane.
INTENSE INTEREST IN
DEBATE OVER BUDGET
Situation Realized as One of
Great Gravity in Recent
History of England.

LONDON. Nov. 2i.-Lord Roscbery.
former Liberal prime minister, today
raised the historic struggle between the
lords and the house Of commons 10 a
new plane by ono of The finest speeches
be ever delivered, He warned the
lords Of the grave RISKS they we're run
ming if they adopted the Lord Ians,
downe resolution 10 reject the budget.
Interest in today's debate was in
tense. There was not enough room TO
scat all the peers attending, and The
public galleries wcre crowded The
Duchess of Connaught headed long
list Of thc foremost pcercsses, many
Of whom were compelled to stand
throughout.
Lord Salisbury resumed tho debate
with speech, supporting Lord Lans.
downc 5 resolution, after the Arch
bishop of Canterbury had said that the
bishops would stand aside from the dis.
cussion, as the debate was strictly of
q party character. Lord Rosebcry fol
lowed in long speech. giving the lords
plain warning of the danger in the
Situation Of Gravity.
81 am quito disa associated from any
party aud speak from my sense of The
awful gravity of the situation. This
Is the greatest political moment in the
lifetime of any men born since 1892. -
Lord Rosebery admitted that. by the
letter OF the law. the house of lords
WAS competent To reject finance bills,
but since the reform of 1882 il was
not possible that the commons should
send up a budget which the house of
lords should go TO The length Of reject
ing He considered that the only pos
slble circumstances justifying the lords
in exercising such dormant power
would be the direct authority of the
nation itsef. Sucb . circumstance
might arisc if budget were presented
which lowered the defcusc5 OF the
country 10 point which the nation
considered dangerous.
Playing Dangerous Game.
He doubted whether the lords were
choosing tho best battlefield They
were PLAYING for too heavy stake and
were riskiDg tho very existence of the
house of lords.
A whining policv. continued the
speaker, would he TO allow the budget
bill 10 pass and give the country six
months experience of its intolcrablc
impositions, loss of capital and employ
ment. They would then achieve, when
they next approached the polls. a we
tory that would surprise themselves.
lie looked with much apprehension to
the result of an appeal TO the country
mixed up with such other issues as
would be raised,
81 do not speak of menaces, he
added 1.-The house of lords has lived
on mcnaccs ever since ! can remember,
and it is still thriving. But the men
aces now used are used by men bent
on having Il single chamber. Their cf.
forts are revolutionary in essence. if
not IN fact -
Question of Reform.
Dealing with the question of the re
form of the house Of lords. which Lord
Roscbery has long advocated, he eN-
pressed the conviction that no adjust
mcDts of the differences between the
house could be arranged without form
of referendum He denounced the
budget in the strongest terms, aud said
that one maxim burned into them by
bitter experiences was that there should
be no taxation without representation
''Disregard for the maXlm.' ne said.
''lost us the United States of America.
and we arc not likely 10 offend against
IT again,
budget taxed the lords freely aud
abundaut!y without their having n
word 10 say. or vote in the matter,
After referring to the budget as hav.
ing spread over the country want of
confidence and want of credit. the
worst diseases which could affect com
mercial nations, be uttered solemn
warning that tho pressure OF great
armamcuts was hurrying Europe To-
yea li1 N rnrIcV
Peers Are Really Stirred
Expressing regret that he could not
support The resolution. Lord Roscbcrv !
resumed his seat. having spoken for
6fty minutes, His picturesque and glow
ing eloquencc produced a tremendous |
effect. leaving his hearers somewhat he
There was an immediate |
exodus OF peers TO discuss the SITUATE ion |
in the lObbies and, although the debate !
continued until midnight the rest Of |
the speeches took rather the form OF. an !
anli-rlimaX.
Lord Miner spoke of the abnormal !
manner IN which the budget was driy.
ing capital out of the country He de-
rlarcd that all proposed new taxes were
bad and unnecessary All the money
required. lie contcndod. might have
bcep raised by import duties, not only
without INJURY TO business and employ
mcrt. but with actual bcuc6t to both.
Debate Not Concluded
Lord Curzou will resume the debate
tomorrow. 1t is impossible tonight 10
nudge the effect Roscberv's 3 warning
Will have. 1t is known already that Il
large section Of the unionist peers
have beld grave doubts as 10 the cx-
redieucy of Lord Roscbory s course, /
aud there is almost certain TO be
large uumhcr of abstcutioas when the
resolution comes TO vote.
The prolopcation of the debate in
he house of lords INTO mex, week is due
70 the fact that there is no machinery
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