New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1909-11-25
LORDS WATERING


still thriving. bat the menaces nov
used are used by men bent on having
single chamber Their efforts are revo-
lutfonary in essence. If not in fact.
Dealing with the question of the reform
of the House of Lords. which Lord Rose
berry has long advocated. he expressed
the conviction that no fnal adjustment
OF the differences between the two houses
could ever be arrived at without some
form of referendum. He denounced the
budget in the strongest terms. and said
that one maxim burned into them by Bit
ter experience was that there should be
no taxation without representation
Disregard for that maxim" he said,
lost us the United States Of America.
and We are not likely to offend against
it again.
Lord Rosebery contended that the
budget taxed the Lords freely and abun-
dainty without their having a word 10
say or a vote in tho matter. After re-
ferring 10 the budget as having spread
over the country like fog composed Of
want of confidence and want of credit,
the worst diseases which could affect
commercial nations, he uttered a solemn
warning that the pressure of great anna
ments was eating out the heart Of na-
( tons and hurryins Europe toward bank
ruptcy
/ DISCUSSION OF THE SPEECH
/ Expressing regret that he could not
4 support the resolution, Lord Resebery
\ resumed his seat. having spoken for
fifty minutes His picturesque and
I glowing eloquence produced a tremen-
4 dous effect, leaving his hearers somewhat
bewiidered. There was an immediate
exodus Of peers TO discuss the situation
in the Hobbies. and although the debate
/ continued until midnight. the remainder
Of the speeches took rather the form OF
an anticlimax.
Lord Miner spoke OF the abnormal
manner in which the budget was driving
capital out OF the country He said that
all the proposed new taxes were bad and
/ unnecessary An the money required.
he conteuded. might have been raised
by import duties, not only without in
Jury 10 business and employment. but
with actual benefit 10 both.
UNIONIsTs IN DOUBT.
Lord Curzou viii resume the debate
tomorrow. 1t is impossible tonight 20
nudge the effect which Lord Rosebery's
warning viii have. II Is known already
that a considerable section Of tire Union
ist peers have held grave doubts as TO
the expedienCy of Lord Lanstlovne' =
course. and there Is almost certain IN
he a large number Of absteutieRs when
rho resolution comes 10 vote.
The prolongation OF the DEBATE IN the
House Of Lords into next week is due
TO the fact that there l. no machinery
10 bring "A discussion IL this chamber
70 A close all the peers who express a
desire to speak having a full right ID
DO So. 1t Was announced tonight that
the House Of Commons Will adjourn to-
morrow until December I. when Mr..
Asauith. the Prime Minister. Will make
an important statement explaining the
policy of the government in view OF the
rejection Of the budget, which Is ex-
pected Nothing has been learned as 70
what the ministers decided at. to-day s
council beyond the decision % call a
party meeting 70 outline plan OF cam
paign. II is regarded probable that an
appeal 10 the country viii be made in
the first week of the new year.
The last great struggle between the
Commons and Lords arose over the Re
form bill of 1877. II disfranchised man,
rotten borcughs. gave increased represeu-
tation to the large towns and enlarged thC
number of the holders of county aud Dor
( oylEll franc hiSe. The peers strongly or
posed the plans OF the lower house. Th'
ministry was defeated. but the elections
which followed gave the new Cabinet
strong majority tn favor Of reform Tn
peers rejected the second measure OF
. . second reading. but a third bill intro
| 6uced. which. in face OF the popular aEi
tation the upper house did not dare L
! reject.
The time had come when either th'
I Lords must DO COtrced or the ministry
! resign. The King refused 20 create new
p / peers and the ministers lef. Oftice. \ To-
+ organized Cabinet. with Earl Grey it
/ leader succeeded IN aVertins; the blood
[ Shed which threatened the nation. Jnde
, / the menace OF additions 10 their numbers
I the peers ahstained from further OppOsi
. ton he. Great Charter of ls,e re