The Ogden standard. [volume] (Ogden City, Utah) 1902-1910, 1909-06-24

| lItdl SCHOOL IldHdStlutul Ndo lldl lON
ly averted today, when. at the close
OF the morning session, verbal bat
tie was INDUCED In between Judge
Agee. President Joseph and Attorney
| HollingSworth, the same ending In
the latter making right swing for
Judge Agee's jaw, the blow being par
ried and the two belligerents being
then forced apart by those at hand.
The trouble arose over an attempt
by Judge Agee to ascertain the crime
for which the testifying witness. Hy
Oleson. now of Salt Lake, had been
sent to the Industrial school Presi-
dent Joseph and Attorney Johnson OBJ
jected to the question on the grounds
that il was unnecessary for o reformed
boys record 10 he dragged into the
proceedings and daily papers. The
session was then adjourned, whereup-
on Attorney Agee followed President
Joseph into the adjoining room, dis
claiming loudly to the effect that the
latter was pursuing unfair tactics in
the hearing ana had been doing SO
since the same opened
You've been bulldozing these peo-
pie ever since the investigation be-
gan" shouted the irate attorney. way-
ing his fists in close proximity to the
chairman's nose. "and l want you to
understand that while you may posi-
bly, bluff these women here, you can't
bluff me"
President Joseph controlled his tenn
per admirably. considering the near
ness of the threatening fists, and as
their owner approached for another
onslaught, Attorney Hollingsworth
pushed between the two and request
ed Judge Agee to be gentleman,
The latter returned the challenge with
vlgor and attempted to pusa his new
opponent away from him. whereupon
Hollingsworth made a partial attempt
TO strike the judge in tho face, but
was prevented and the trouble for the
time was over.
The morning session was character
lied by considerable amount of tes
timony introduced to uphold Superln-
tendent Thomas and his management
of the Industrial school. a number of
witnesses were examined, including
Miss Mary Dale, at present teacher
In the institution; John A. lvanson,
formerly an instructor in carpentry
at the school; Hy Oleson, formerly an
inmate but now discharged and en-
gagged in carpenter work with Ivan
son in Salt Lala. and Edward Bichsel
the local pickle manufacturer.
The most startling testimony was
that given by Miss Dale. who showed
a determination to laud Superinten-
dent Thomas management OF the In
stitution and exhibited a leaning to-
ward severe corporal punishment in
schools which startled many of her
hearers.
Miss Dale admitted that she had
been teaching children for more than
twenty years and her ideas of the ne
cessity OF corporal punishment In
schools were somewhat of a surprise.
While In the state reform school Of
California she occasionally heard the
dull thud" of blows struck with
leather instrument upon the bare
backs Of youthful offenders; also the
"groans" Of the victims as they sus-
tanned the punishment The blows,
according to Miss Dale, often cut the
skin. allowing the blood to flow and
the punished ones were struck as
many as 80 blows. They put huge
Oregon boots" on runaway boys from
6 to is years of age and made them
wear the instruments of torture con-
for months at time, and.
in the witness opinion, 1t was the only
way In which boy could be controll.
ed and made man.
Sometimes the California boys were
placed in dark cells for periods of from
a few days to four weeks and fed
upon bread and water For obtaining
a little tobacco and chewing 1t, they
were condemned to the whipping
chamber and their backs beaten with
the specially-prepared straps. This
method, in the mind of Miss Dale, with
her twenty years Of experience in
training boys and girls for the duties
Of life, was far preferable in an In
OF the sort under consldera-
ton, than were the methods where
kindness and forbearancc were in
vogue.
John A. Lvanson, a carpenter of Salt
Lake, formerly an instructor In the
institution. (1908), was the first wit
ness called. He was asked regarding
his term as teacher Of carpentry and
proceeded to give an outline of the
work done in this branch Of the
schools industries. Witness stated
that several Of the boys who were in
his carpentry class had become pro-
ficient workmen. one Of whom, Hy Oh
son. Is at the present time a partner
of his in Salt Lake.
Witness sought to show that Super
intendent Thomas was kindly disposed
toward the boys in the school and
ha -
with them, one instance being the
case of boy who secured a pound or
two OF butter and was caught by
Ivanson with the same in his posses
sion Witness stated that this occur
red just before leaving for the can
yon and that he did not think the boy
would be allowed to participate with
the camping party. Supt. Thomas,
however. was not severe In the matter
and allowed the boy to accompany the
others.
Witness was positive he had never
seen any skin broken upon the backs
Of the boys who had been whipped
with the strap, although he had ex-
amined number of them and had OBJ
served their condition while the latter
were in the plunge
In the matter of food furnished the
boys, the witness stated that 1t was
good at times. and tnen. at times. it
was not so good, Particularly was the
latter condition evident at a time
when the school cook had left and
the boys were compelled to get their
own meals. Witness also testified that
sick boys we're we'll treated and cared
for
In cross-examining the witness, At
torney Gideon brought out the fact