The Guthrie daily leader. [volume] (Guthrie, Okla.) 1893-1996, 1909-03-11

2 il maj Ior4 inquiry. That iSthofieck that
4Qk Calling your attention letter from II Wagones
prisoner in confinement here believe did you talk with him
before that letter written TO me?
A. don't recall now that did although it IS baFcls
sbc That did win say this That probably had in the last
two weeks applications for don't know how many prisoners
sec this board and told them whoever called Upon by III.
board they could certainly them don't recall this fact
d Is there any one else who could give them conscnt2
A. The deputy warden could give them permission for
extra correspondence
Chairman corbn; You mean the Oklahoma commitcc7
A Yes sir
q By Mr. Vest Then il is a fact that while you sec them
Sunday morning at eight o'clock they also The deputy
warden and in his absence the assistant deputy wardcn'
They can sec the deputy warden nearly every day lie
has window adjoining the yard and the prisoner who
to sec him step his window at night raise Up his hand
ii line for permission speak 10 him. don't recall that In
stance but presume that have given the last two weeks
ten days forty fifty extra letters TO people in Oklahoma
presume you got quite good many from people here.
@ IN order YOU must these prisoners see any other
mau9
al They application their officer 10 c warden
9. To their guardf
a. Yes sir
o. Suppose the guard doesn't tell III
A. am in the yard frequently and if prisoner says fc
made application his officer to and he didn't get 70
me ask the officer why happens that he didn't see me. II
wants 10 sec Inc warden him. and make point 70 b
in my office promptly at eight O'Clock
O. You feel you have sufficient knowledge OF the condi
ons they exist be able to assert that these prisoners see
You when they want to9
A. should say
O You think that because Of the opportunity that they
have in that way to see you that any punishment was inflicted
by The guards without the direction Of The deputy warden thai
you would learn Of it in that wayl
A. / do
O. Is there any other way1
a. There might be other ways Some prisoner night sl
me that punishment had been inflicted You take in an nsi-
tuition as large as this aud there isn't always perfect harmony
among thc officers and think il an officer punished PRISONER
in Inc mines without authority that would be very apt TO be
.eportcd by another officer.
@ Were you in the aruly9
Al was not
d You don4 know what the army discipline is7
Al MOI in all Of It's details. 10
D. There would be no equality Of word between convict
and an officer would there?
A. Any wbai3
o You wouda' put ae WORD d convict against thai q
al officer would yor?
"A. woudnol
O. So if YOU asked hc deputy warden a dis prisoner
made application and hc said he hadn't ai would bc hc end o
ii Woudnlh2
Al. would take the officers word rather liat Chat Of ie
convict wouldn't your
g. don't understand that know anything about pfisoi
discipline
A. would take the word Of an officer rather than Chat
Of convict
O. The fact that another officer would talk about ai
officer whose statement disagreed with the conpcfs you would
weigh that somewhat lightly, wouldn't youl
A. don't encourage what the slang word is "snehlag
that is one officer telling On another don't believe with ihe
officers Ne have here that any outrage 81 any kind coud b
committed without some officer making complaint
@ Does Sodomy IN the mincsi
al am told that il docs
q That is an outrage isn't u
a. That is an outrage.
D II occurs and sou don't know oi It Then # one Of
he greatest ouagc Of al actually Without your know
Ing -
A. That true
O why should not outrage o another character occur
without your knowing III
Because The convict would make complaint but where
tie two eonveis are participating they Try 70 secret that
O. II IN the darkness of the mine the guard could inict
punishment without he sight 81 other people Just as Sodoy y
pacced there you believe and II the only avenue g apply %
you through that guard isn't the arrangement rather auto.
matte for the suppression of that knowledge
Al No the convict ia the mine is armed better than The
guard IS lie is armed with pick and this guard wouldn't bs
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