New-York tribune., 1909-03-16

out Of that; "'ge:t' down on OF thefe-
Mr. Clark was insisting that Mr Dalzeh be or
dered away
The gentleman from Missouri IS not in order
Speaker Cannon announced. 49,
Tho Speaker halted the rolcall and SAID ne old
so because Of the high character and standing OF
Messrs Dalzen and Clark And now ne salu.
'the gentleman from Pennsylvania mas the 10TH u
the resolution. .,
He could have had it by asking me for copy
hotIy remarked Mr.. Clark.
With warmth MI Dalzell interjected tnat ne hao
copy of the resolution and so saying ne iett tne
rostrnro and took his seat The rollcaH PROCEEDED
The motion of Mr.. Clark for the previous QueS-
ton was voted down. 179 TO 2oS
Mr Fitzgerald Immediately offered an anenoment
modifying the present rules His resolution ellll-
mated the present requirement Of obtaining the
consent of the Speaker for the submission OF olIls
under unanimous consent; required that oe1ore ue
close of session of Congress all reported pms
should be placed on a calendar where there woulo
be a chsrce for their consideration; maze neces-
sarv a tEo-thirds instead OF majority vote 10 set
aside calendar Wednesday, and provided Tor a nou-
ifcauon Of the present power OF the CorlIli'le0
on Rules 10 force vote on bill.
Mr. Fitzgerald declared that those who were 50
persistent in their advocacy Of changing the rules
had not made A concrete suggestion, unless 1t was
TO take away the power OF the Speaker. 10 tile
'insurgents' proposition for a committee on coHl-
mittees Mr.. Fitzgerald said he was unalterably op
posed The changes suggested by himself. he SAID
would cure the defects the rules. One reform
which his amendment would effect, he said would
be to give the minority opportunity TO vote TO
recommit the tariff bill with instructions
CLARK IN ANOTHER COLIOQUE.
Mr.. Fitzgerald and NJ. Clark, both Democrats,
became involved in a sharp colIoquy. Mr.. Fitz-
gerald had yielded to the minority leader for a
question, but he proceeded to PROFOUND it TO Mr.
DaIzen. The New York member insisted that 1t
was an abuse his courtesy and that the question
should have been asked Of him
Il am going 10 do it, and don't want any Slack
jaw about it, either" sharply retorted Mr. Clark
Il decline to yield" Mr.. Fttzgeralds re-
sponse. amid Republican applause.
MI Clark anpeale led TO the Speaker, saying that
Mr.. Fitzgerald actually had yielded to him
We'll take it back" said Mr.. Fitzgerald with
some show Of temper.
You will wish you had yielded" was Mr.. Clark's
reioinder.
Mr. Fitzgerald remarked that he not going
to be scared off by any threat. He declared that
no man could take advantage of his courtesy and
then abuse him. i now yield TO the gentleman
from Missouri" said he
Il absolutely refuse to accept responded Mr.
Clark
When Mr. Fitzgerald closed Mr.. Clark got the
floor THE jig is up with the House machine he
said amid great applause from the Democrats.
Touching the incident with Mr.. Fitzgerald. he
said. he had entertained toward him feelings of re
spect and regard. and had the New York member
been IN sympathy with his ideas regarding the
amendment Of the rules, his name would have been
the first De suggested by him for the rules com
mtttee
y think" said MIR Fitzgerald. that under the
circumstances it with the utmost prepriety
that I left off the committee"
Il think SO. too, under he circumstances" sar-
castically replied Mr.. Clark. Mr. Clark declared
that he regretted exceedingly 70 part company with
/ Mr.. Fitzgerald. Mr.. Clark contended that outside
of the House the demand for the change Of rules
was so strong force a change. and it must
come; if now, then later. He was friendly PER
sonaliy the Speaker. he said. but he opposed
10 his system. He complimented the 'lnsurgent'
Republicans VithstandinE the combined influence
/ of the House machine ef the President fresh in
office and with the pap uudistributed; Of all the
Cabinet, the Senate regulars and the local news
papers he was sure he said, that they had
stood against these powerful elements they would
continue to stand. He was equally certain that the
! Democrats would hold firm.
INSURGENTS ATTITUDE DISCUSSED
/ Replying to questions by Mr. Mann Gninofs) Mr.
/ Clark declared that we intend to do the things
I that will enable revise these rules
Have you the warrant OF the Republican in
surgents for the statement you have made that
they would stand with the Democrats inquired
Mr.. Gaines CW. Va.
OH responded Mr. Clark. TASK thu Insurgents:
they know how 10 talk
Mr.. Clark yielded 10 Mr.. Gardner Mass), an in
surgent-'' The alliance between the insurgents
and the Democrats" remarked Mr.. Gardner. amid
Republican applause. goes merely To changing the
! rules AS to what happens when the proposed con-
mites is appointed. there is no understanding
under heaven
That Is precisely what I said interjected Mr
| Clark He insisted that the Democrats and in
| surgents'' on his proposed Committee on Rules
stood firm a rock in favor Of the proposition TO
! revise the rules
And I indorse that statement far I
concerned" shouted Mr Gardner.
Mr.. Olrnsted penny demanded the previous quAs-
! tion on the Clark resolution and the Fitzgerald
amendment thereto. An agreement was reached 70
| continue the debate one hour, and the demand was
withdrawn
The time was controlled by Mr.. Fitzgerald and
| Mr. Clark. who yielded it as follows:
BY Mr.. Fitzgerald-To Mr.. Brantley. of Georgia;
Nr Mann. of Illinois; Mr Townsend. of Michigan,
and Mr.. Dalzell, of Pennsylvania.
BY Mr. Clark-To Mr.. Underwood. Of Alabama;
Mr. Gardner, of Massachusetts; Mr.. Finley, OF
South Carolina; Mr.. Lassiter. OF Virginia; Mt
/ Norris, of Nebraska; Mr. Murdock OF Kansas, and
Mr. De Armond. Of Missouri
! Mr.. Gardner declared that President Taft was in
| sympathy with the movement to change the rules
In the opinion OF Mr.. Townsend the insurgents"
were seeking cheap notorety at home. but he
inquired, how they going 20 reconcile their
responsibility with their votes or to-day"
Declaring himself believer that the rules of
the last House the best that could be devised
! Mr. Dalzell said the only ones who objecting
to them those who knew nothing about them
| He declared that the rules the evolution of
| one hundred and twenty years OF parliamentary
experience and represented the wisdom of the best
| the most accomplished craftsmanship of the last
two decades Of American history. There was not
| he declared, single rule that did have a
| sufficient for its being.
The debate brought TO close by Mr.. Fitz-
gerald, who asserted that there had been a
| legitimate criticism Of the rules.
Why did you submit your resolution to the
Democratic caucus?" interrupted Mr. Pujo Louisi-