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London. Nov. z3s--The main Sihteress ln the historic debate today fin the House of Lords on the budget centersd fn . grave declaration of the liberal policy whtch fell from Lord Loreburn, Lord High Chancellor. Deliberately pausing and adjusting his glasses, he read slowly from q piece of paper: Y Tt is my opinion that 1t is impossi- ble that any liberal government can ever again bear the heavy burden of once unless 1t ia secured agatnst q repetition of treatment such as our measures have had to undergo for the last four years"
 This statement had an electrical ef- feet on the liberal members of the House of Commons who crowded the public galleries. Quitting the Ealier- ies. they surxsd into the Hobbies in . state of excitement, under the convic- ton that they had heard the govern msney last word before the general election, that Premier Asquith will make q sffnf1ar declaration in the Heuse of Commons next week. and that the long delayed campaign against the Isords has now begun in real earnest
 It was held that Lord Loreburn's statement could only mean that no lib- sral leader henceforth will accept of nce unless he receives . pledge from the crown that sufficient peers will be appointed from the Prsmier's nomina- tion to secure the House of Commons against interference by the House of Lords in financial matters.
 After the Earl of Crewe. Lord Priyy Seal, had formally moved the second reading of the budget bill, without comment. Lord Lansdowne, leader of the opposition. who was 90 hoarse that he could scarcely be heard, inmedi- ately moved It's rejection. He quoted precedents to. show that although the House of Lords could not amend q finance bill it had full right to dee stroy and to throw 1t out if 1t % will ed. Besides. the present bill. he ur- gued, had tackled on 1t legislation such as land taxation and increased license duties. which the House of Lords al- ready had rejected and which had been placed in the bill with q view to oust- ing the Lords from their legitimate opportunity of dealing with these measures
 what. he asked. was to prevent home rule from being introduced in the finance bili7 There was no limit to such abuses. The Unionists opposed the license duties because they were crushing In their severity; the same applied to land taxes. The people, he said, not having been consulted. the Lords had a clear duty not to decree the final extinction of the bill but to insist that before 1t became law the country should be allowed an express sion of opinion. The Lords had care fully considered the consequences of the reflection of the bill and were ready to face them. he declared.
 : Lord Loreburn replied, contending that there was nothing In the bill for eiRn to finance, with which the House t 1 t,o n fl n deal. The attempt of the Lords to in- terfere. he declared. was the begin ming of a system which would lead to constitutional revolution. What was embodied in the bill was not new eith- CT in the United States or Germany. and had been approved not only by the present but by the late House of
 Alter the Lord High Chancellor. interest waned.
 Tho Duke of Norfolk. who supported Lord Iansdowne's resolution. confessed that the Lords had a serious and arx- souz srSroblasn to face, but that 1t should not daunt them from psrformins their duty.
 crowd gathered outside Westmfnister palace and formed e long line. Seats in the strangers gallery had, already been aiiotted to distinguished visitors. the most of these being reserved for diplomats. Every seat reserved for women below the bar was occupied, The peers began arriving early. and while waiting for the house to open held informal conferences.
 when the Earl Of Grove moved the second reading of the bill, every seat in the house was occupied and many members of the House of Commons stood behind the throne. King Man. uel of Portugal was an interested spectator from seat In the anbas- sadors, gallery.
 Lord Lansdowne moved the rejection Of the budget bill and the keeniy an- ticipated debate was begun It Is ex- pected that a vote will be reached on Thursday.