The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1909-04-12
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to the rules of the House placing the
officers of the House under the direct
orders of the Speaker, and stated that
it was at his order that Lloyd was pre-
pairing the minutes and that it was
also his orders that he be not paid for
them.
"This House is not paying the stem
ographer ten dollars a day for simply
sitting in his chair, nor for making
hieroglyphics in his book that are of
no value to the members of this House
unless they are transcribed. l have
seen vouchers for unheard-of accounts
presented by paid officials of this
House and do not want to see any more
of them.
ssThe chair has had experience in
former Legislatures of what is called
graft So long as [ am in this chair
/ will not tolerate any such expendi-
lures as are desired under this reso-
luton. It is the money of the people
that we are spending, and we are only
here as trustees and agents of the
people
There Are Others.
Long rose to defend the claim of the
Rtenographer, making hot and bitter
speech. He claimed that it was the
duty of the clerk to prepare the min
utes and not the stenographer, and that
If the latter be required to do it he
work. He also resented the use of the
word "graft" by the Speaker.
1T seems to me that the word
graft used in this House would have
been better left unsaid in respect to
this resolution. It is the province of
this House to say whether there has
been graft or not. To my mind this
resolution is a reasonable one. There
are other things being permitted in
this House, Mr.. Speaker, which might
well be termed extravagances, but this
is necessity
Rice Tenders Resignation.
Rice said it had been his misfortune
to serve three times on the Public Ex-
penditures Committee and the question
raised by the resolution had made
trouble in every session.
The only talk of graft last session
was in connection with this very mat
ter he said, '.When one mans pay
ran to thirty dollars day and more.
Now, Mr.. Speaker, I move that vote
be taken of this House on this matter
now. that the whole House and not the
committee be saddled with the blame
of the grating, if there be any. I
want to put stop to the stories which
have been going around. You all know
what these have BEEN
Rice then formerly rendered his re-
signation as member of the commit
tee.
Castro Turned Down Bills.
After Sheldon and Kama had taken
4 hand in the debate, both supporting
The Speaker, Long asked Castro the fol
owing question:
Has there been any payment made
for .ypewriting to any person in the
employ of this House, and If so, to
whom, by whom and how mueha'
Castro stated that he had turned
Down all such bills and always intended
ID.
Cohen Wants Statement.
Cohen asked that the stenographer
be allowed to make statement of his
Ease in order that the House might be
as to his side, but the Speak
Or ruled this out of order as an i'm
proper request.
Il move then that we go into execu
tive session. said Cohen. II want
20 know all about this matter
Shingle said that he was opposed to
loing any such thing.
Right or wrong, l am with the
Speaker he said, concluding with:
The question is now, has this House
confidence in it's Speaker and its COM
nittees / move that we take an aye
md no vote.
Sheldon moved the tabling of the
resolution and the roll call was started.
This did not stop the debate, however,
BY any means. Douthitt asked to be
excused from voting because he had
not been allowed to find out what the
whole trouble was about, and this per-
mission was refused by the House. Then
he refused to vote and argued about
it. Carley was also in darkness. 81
lon It know what we are voting about,
be said when his name was called.
{. Perhaps you think | had no business
going out of the House when this de-
bate was ON some had laughed
!. but | want to tell you that the Gov
ernor sent a note asking me to come
no and see him and that is why | went
sut. -
Carley swelled pereeptibly as he
made this statement, but the swelling
went down when the Speaker told him
that he had no business to go out no
matter who wanted him without first
getting permission.
Alfonso took a hand in the debate
in the roll call intermission, wanting
TO put a motion to defer until Mon
lay.
The House divided as follows:
For the esolution-Affonso, Cohen,
Douthitt. Furtado, Kaniho, Kawaakoa,
Long, Makekau, Nakaleka,
and Waiwaiole.
Opposed-Castro, Coney. Correa, Hi
hio, Hubby, kaleiopu, Kama, Kama
hu, Kealawaa, Like, Moanauli, Rice,
Sheldon, Single and the Speaker.
This was fifteen to twelve in favor
of tabling the resolution, although it
was stated in the lobby that three of
those who voted to table did SO under
the impression that they were voting
the other way. Alfonso announced that
he had the required majority to force
q reconsideration and to pass the reso-
luton and there was caucus to see
If that would be advisable.