Evening star., 1909-07-13


ing the bench.
Waving his counsel aside and stepping
forward to the lawyers table. a sheaf OF
legal papers in his hand, Thaw said &c
Justice Mills in clear. loud tone:
Thaw Speaks for Himself.
Your honor, We have not the slightest
objection TO the examination, and in fact
shall be pleased to allow the alienists
to question me very freely. But l want
to have it arranged so that it will be
conducted in manner absolutely fair.
would suggest that my own expert be
present, but that he be not allowed TO
say or do anything: just sit by and
listen. Then he can form an opinion also
from the same state of facts
II think that would be a very good ar
rangement.' commented Justice Mills
Thaw smiled in a self-satisied fashion.
Continuing, he said:
There is another thing, however, which
l wish to draw to your honor's attention.
1t is the matter of my physical condition
when this examination is made"
Il hardly understand what you mean"
said Justice Mills, looking puzzled.
Well went on Thaw, Il am not al
flowed to take any physical exercise, out
door exercise l mean, and l thought your
honor might instruct the sheriff to per-
NIT me
Il think the sheriff knows what to do,''
interposed Justice Mills. land shall not
make any order in that direction. But I
think you should submit to the examina-
ton In any event"
Thaw Is Disappointed.
Yes, your honor pleaded Thaw. plain
ly disappointed. but would not venture
to ask for any such liberty unless. in view
of this examination. think 1 need it to
prepare myself physically
The sheriff will know how to act" re-
piled the court, and Thaw turned away
to say goodbye to his mother, Justice
Mills having left the bench.
Thaw looked in better health than at
any time since his acuuittal on the plea
of insanity for the murder of Stanford
White. His sunburnt complexion showed
he has been taking outdoor exercise. His
quiet demeanor, his frequent whispered
conferences with his counsel and the
cheerful smile he turned on Judge and
lawyers when witness after witness testi-
fed that from their observation of him he
seemed rational. would have led any spec
tator unaware Of his identity to conclude
he was lawyer engaged in the proceed
ings and not the subject of the inquiry.
Back of Thaw sat his mother, who
seems to grow more white-haired with
every proceeding in which her son is in
volyed. Her face wore q worried express
sion. By her on one side sat Josiah Thaw,
while her daughters, Mrs. George l.. Car
negie and the ex-Countess of Yarmouth,
had seats on the other. Roger O'Meara.
the Pittsburg detective. talked frequently
with Thaw and his mother.
Witnesses Testify to Sanity.
Witnesses heard yesterday afternoon
continued to testify to the sanity Of
Thaw.
The Rev. John A. Wade. an Episcopal
minister, who visited Thaw in the Tombs,
said he had often spoken with Thaw on
various subjects and had found him quite
rational
DR.. Henry A. Parr had treated Thaw
previous to the murder and had visited
him many times since. He said Thaw
had shown a great interest In the history
of medicine and that his conversation
was rational and intelligent.
William Gordon, who looks like Gov
Hughes, and owns the Holland House at
Poughkeepsie, told Of Thaw's stay at that
hotel for a few days in 1905 Thaw. he
said. inspected the dogs, played the piano
and talked on great many subjects,
especially music.
Did you think him rational or irration-
al?" Mr.. Morschauser asked.
We'll. l saw nothing more irrational
about him than that he wouldn't take a
drink with me-"
The courtroom rang with the laughter
this answer brought forth.
Mr.. Gordon was excused, to be follow
ed by Edward E. Havens. the Dutchess
county jailer. with whom Thaw spent 134
days In 1903, while his sanity was first
being inquired into. Havens said Thaw
acted and spoke nationally all the time he
was at the Jail.
Then John F. Breitenbach, who had
charge of Thaw during the second trial,
was called.
Il had a great many talks with him."
said Breitenbach. He spoke of the Van
derbilt-Szechenyi wedding, and said he
knew Gladys Vanderbilt, who was a nice
said he knew the count, too, and he was
a good fellow. Mr.. Thaw often spoke Of
music and talked about the operas and
so on.
"one night we had a late session."
Breitenbach went on, land we found the
door to the Tombs from the Bridge of
Signs locked against us. Nobody answer
ed the bell, so had to take Mr.. Thaw
out to the street and in by the front
door
He wasn't handcuffed. and he suggest
ed voluntarily that he would place his
left hand in mine to make it appear to
people on the street he was handcuffed
He said 1t might be bad for me If pe,ple
saw him on the street not handcuffed
and bad for him, too, though had orders
not to handcuff him.
Breitenbach was positive Thaw always
acted and spoke nationally. He was the
last witness Of the day.
Insists Thaw Be Examined.
Before Justice Mills announced an ad-
journment Deputy Attorney General
Clark arose to ask about the expert ex-
animation of Thaw.
If Mr.. Morschauser will state that the
experts will have full opportunity to ex
anime Thaw, and that answers will not
be refused on the ground that counsel
advises against the answers or Il don't
remember or some such refuge then our
side Of the case will be made very short .,
Mr. Clark said.
Justice Mills interrupted to say:
1T is better to have free and full ex
animation. Mr.. Morschauser, and | think
you should adopt Mr.. Clark's suggestion" !"
MRS. LETTER HOSTESS.