Daily Kennebec journal. [microfilm reel] (Augusta, Me.) 1870-1975, 1909-07-16

the court and the witness had to go
over his testimony several times be-
fore answers were elected which were
allowed to remain on the record.
DR.. Meyer related a conversation up
on one occasion when Thaw told him
he feared he was going to have typhoid
fever and suggested that his rooms at
the. Jail should be cooled off with 20
tons of ice.
DR.. Meyer said he discussed music
art, sociology and politics with ThaW
and in regard to the latter subject
Thaw laughingly remarked: Il help
ed to elect Jerome"
The witness said he approached tn
subject of insanity with Thaw and in
this connection referred to crime.
Il asked him what he thought of
crime committed under the influence
of alcohol and he said that it SHOULD
not be any excuse" continued the wit
ness.
Il asked him what the motives were
which prompted him to shoot Stanford
White and he said there were no i'm
proper motives" said the witness.
In answer TO a question as to what
the effect or result of Whites death
had been. Thaw replied that there was
less danger than before" and most peo-
pie thought he had acted properly I'M
der the circumstances. In his converse =
tons at MatteaWan the witness said
Thaw had complained of having to re-
tire early to close and unlighted
room. ''He said, however. that he did
nf
any rules broken for him." the witness
said.
Mr.. MorSchauSer declared that Dr.
Meyer was testifyng merely as a
layrnan and not as an expert in answer
to question by the states attorney.
Because he was one of the few witness
es who had talked with Thaw about the
White homicide, Deputy Attorney
General Clark said the ss-examina-
ton would be important and he asked
ThaW's counsel to consent to the adj
mission of the record Of Thaw's second
trial for the killing of White in order
to facilitate matters. Mr. Morschauser
after brief conference with his eli
ent, stated he was not ready to con-
sent to tho admission of the trial rec
ords in evidence.
What question did you ask Thaw
which brought up Mr.. Jerome's name
Mr. Clark asked on cross examination
Il asked him what he thought of
Jerome's attitude" the witness replied.
The witness said he had prepared a
list of specific questions to ask Thaw
prior to the interviews. He said he
had talked with Thaw's mother in re-
gard to his boyhood and based some
Of his questions as "a memory test
on what she had told him. Mr. Clark
asked the witness to give the details
of the conversation about the shooting
of White.
ct asked him to describe the incidents
of that evening. Did you see White
before you went out? p / asked him. He
said he did not Dr. Meyer replied,
" We went down the aisle and stopped
to speak to someone and l then saw
White glaring at me. He put down his
hand and then there was a disturbance
and the shooting had been done, -
Those were Thaw's words" the witness
said Tie witness said he asked Thaw
If he remembered the three shots and
he sad he did not.
The witness said Thaw had later de-
clined to say anything further about
the moment when the shooting oc-
CURED on the advice of a prominent
lawyer Asked who this lawyer was
the witness could not at first remem-
Der. but finally said it was ex-senator
Jonn c. Spooner of Wisconsin.
On the second and third interviews
with Thaw. Dr. Meyer said they talk
ed oil the subject of young girls" OF
innocent girls"
"You did not give any of those con-
versations on your direct examination
did your" asked Mr.. Clark.
"No,' the witness answered.
On redirect examination Thaw's
counsel asked the witness to give the
nature of these conversations. The wit
ness said Thaw told him in answer to
his questions that he had read of sew
eral incidents where Mr.. White had en-
ticed young girls away and robbed
them of their virtue.
."Thaw said that White was given to
such practices and laid his traps for
young girls the witness said. HE
named several girls and dates but said
that he had net all the evidence which
would be necessary to institute crimi-
nal proceedings against White.
He referred to Mr.. Jeromes sum-
ming up at his trial and read from the
record where the district attorney
said that such practices on the part of
White could not be denied" continued
the witness.
The witness referred to Thaws effort
to get Anthony Comstock of fhe New
Work Anti-Vice Society to prosecute
White.
Mr.. Comstock appeared in the court
room and took a seat beside Thaw.
,rhaw told the witness that from
- 1x,,au, IF White hn woC con