The Washington herald., 1909-02-01

conditions OF exposure are such thai the
D gas with The lower percentage OF car
: bon monoxide would have killed, and that
IS al you can DO to anybody.
q Dr.. Haywood-can you give Us a refer
ence 70 any literature that VIII prove
that point OF yours that you have jzst
: made?
Mr. Forstall-An these investigations TO
which Commissioner Barker referred in
his statement ars published n the an
nCal reports OF the board Of gas and
} electric Hight commissioners Ct Massa-
! ehusetts. have tried, after came down
here, TO get those reports, but the Library
OF Congress does lot have them.
Mr. Th0mas-I have most OF them.
Mr. FOrstaii-They can be anaiyzed
very readily
Dr. Haywood-Have you read the 1sa2
report Of the board OF health OF MaSsa-
ichusetts7
Mr.. Forstall-I have not
Dr. Haywood-Eou did not know. then
that there were certain cuestiors IN
there, the thirty-fourth annual report. in
regard TO the use Of water gas and coal
gas?
ar ForstaIl-I did not know; I know
/ nothing about that report.
Dr. Haywocd-SuppOse were 10 tel
Of health Of Massachusetts and asked
them 70 answer certain questions in r.
gard TO coaI and water gas, and I con
tinued telling you that, IN answer 70
that, the whole board OF health OF
Massachusetts signed this letter IN an
sWer 70 them and said that IN the thir-
( teen years before the introduction oF
water gas into Massachusetts there were
something ike eight deaths from inuEnl-
mating gas poisoning n Massachusetts,
that IN the thirteen years after water
gas vas introduced that rose 70 the
( tremendous number OF something Ike be-
tween 40 and SO Would you believe
such figures as that2 Do you think that
7 Is good authOrity2
i Mr. Forstall-Let me understand You
mean that the total deaths IL thirteen
years were between 40 and 5o02
/ DR.. Haywoo5-I say that the board ~
health Of Massachusetts signed z lertsr
saying that for the period CT thirteen
years before the Introduction c. water
gas the deaths were about eight from IL
Illuminating gas poisoning. and that during
the period of thirteen years after the "a
PRODUCTION OF water gas the deaths had
risen % about z55-soms from lluminating
gas
Mr. ForstaII-What I want 70 know
that statement was quoted in thsF pro
ceedings here's whether that statement
IS that the total deaths IN the thirteen
years were 40. or the deaths IN any one
year?
DR.. HaywOOd-In ths whole thirteen
years from Illuminating gas poisoning
Would You believe that statement
Mr.. Forstsll-CertainIy I would h.
Ieve that their statistics showed these
figures.
Dr.. Haywood-You question thsir sta
tistics7
Mr. Forstall-I did question their sta
ustics yesterday. Commissioner Barker.
who Is president OF the gas commission o.
Massachusetts. questions the statistics.
Dr.. Haywood-And yet this IS signed BIZ
every member OF the board OF health Of
Massachusetts,.
AIr. FoTstail-Their statistics show &.
The statistics did not show al the deaths
from gas poisoning before the advent CT
caTbuTetted water gas
Nh Skinner would Ike &c ask
question You have testified as 70 trs
deaths from trolley accidents and others
Is Il not a fact that the speed os trolley
cars IS regulated 10 a certain Irit7
Mr. FoFstsII-There are regulations rs
70 the speed. yes. I Do not know Whether
the speed IS regulated (LaEghter)
M SkinaeT-fs Il not true that fhe
tendency IS nowadays 70 regulate als9
high motive electric currents by putting
them under ground and in other ways. 90
make them safer2
Mr.. ForstaIl-If putting them unda-
ground makes them safer. yes
Mr. Skinner-I say. IS not that ths ten
dency to-day 70 90 that2
Mr.. ForstaIl-Fes-
Mr. Sldnner-DO you not know thzt
there are regulations generally and IN tie
city OF Washington 10 regulate the sac
OF poisOns?
Mr.. Forstan-I presume there are.
there are in al cities I know CT.
Mr. Skinner-Tou are aware that Con
gress has passed a law regulating the
use Of adulterated foods?
Mr. FOrstall-Yes-
Mr.. Skinner-Ths tendency Is 70 req
late them. IS II not2
AIr. Forstall-The tendency. Is 70 rem
late everything just al present.
Mr. Skinner-One other question. II
the limit n this bin were raised 10 q
per cent mOu0xide. what effect would
that have2
Mr. Taylor-DO you mean what effect II
would have upon the gas or upon the
business2
AIr. Skinner-I mean upon the company.
AIr. ForstalI-Twenty per cent would
cave them just about where they are
low. I think the percentage OF carbon
IN the gas runs along about q
Alr- Skinner-Wel, one other question
Analyses have showed the carbon mo-
loxide has run higher tnsn 81. What per-
entage Of coal gas would you think was
n that?
Nh Forstall-Higher than 80? I would
Tot say there was any percentage or
.osl gas; I would say there was a large
rrOr in the analysis
Mr. Skinner-That Is a question Tor
thers 10 decide.
Mr. ForstaIl-You asked ns vhss
hould say.
8Ir. Sklnner-You~ have not answered
be question about the effect on the com
any
Mr. Forsall-I said It would leave them
ust about the sane
Mr.. SkinnsT-fhat would mean that
hey could supply about 80 per cent.
Mr. Forstall-Ihey are supplying 50 Per
ent now, With an average OF % per cant
carbon monoxide in the gas.
Mr.. Skinner-No, but IL the limit we're
Ut at 20 per cent?
Dir FOTstalI-I sSy II would IesvA shs-,
about theiE present position. because
ley are new supplying q gas which
Verages about 2 per cent. es I under
and L. Of carbon mOnoxide.
Alr, Skinner-CaTburetted water rss
ms about how much?
Mr.. FoTstall-AnyEher from q n K
Alr. Skinne1-We viii assume a. b.
luse I think the authorities saw ebor-
lat II it ru1 80 and they used q =
ould give them "a to start with. How
uch 90 you say coal gas runs?
Mr. Forstali-Five TO 8; should ssv
an average.
Nj Skinner-That would make Il =
vice that. twenty times That vvorf5
We an average OF Il Assuming that i