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Meade County news. [volume] (Meade, Kan.) 1900-1918, 1909-09-02
Notice For Publication
First Published Aug, 70, 1909

First Published Aug, 20, 1909
Department of the Interior
s. Land Office at Dodge City, Kansas.
August 18th, 1909.
Notice is hereby given that Mary S. Cur
rier, formerly Mary S. Specht of Meade
Kansas, who on December Ist, 1902, made
for NE4 of, Section IS, Township 81, south
Range II west of the 9th P. Meridian, has
filed notice af intention to make Final Five
year Proof, to establish claim to the land
above described, before Probate Judge of
Meade county Kansas, at Meade Kansas on
the 4th day of Oct, 1909.
Claiment names as witnesses:
Jesse E. Mckinney, of Meade Kansas.
Frank l. Bennett, of Meade =
Samuel NJ. Bennett, of Fowler Sc
Barrent L. Van Hoesen, of Fowler Kansas
II. F. MILLIKAN, Register.
Meade County news. [volume] (Meade, Kan.) 1900-1918, 1909-09-02
Notice For Publication
First Published August 18th 1909

FlTSt published august lSIn l9O9.
Department of the Interior
u. s. Land office at Dodge City Kansas, Aug
ust j, 1909
Notice is hereby given that Leeander Eaton, Of
Miles Is ansas. who. on January 10th, 1907, made
Homestead application, No. 2SS59. serial No,
West 9th =. Meridian. has filed, notice Of inten-
ron to make Final Communication Proof, to estab-
lish claim to the land above described. before the
Clerk of the District Court Meade County Kan
sas. at Meade Kansas on the 10Th day Of Sept
ember 1909.
t Claiment names witnesses.
Lee NJ. Beckley- of AIwater Kansas
Willis Baxter. of Miles Kansas
Thomas A. schumacher. of Miles Kansas
Thomas Mossman. of Miles Kansas
H. r MILLIKAN. Register.
Meade County news. [volume] (Meade, Kan.) 1900-1918, 1909-09-02
Delinquent Tax List For The Year 1908
First Published July 20. 1909.

County,
sherebyg iven
ftyofN
is of
When otherwise designated the
the
County Treasure
CounyK
Meade County news. [volume] (Meade, Kan.) 1900-1918, 1909-09-02
PUBLICATION NOTICE

First Published September End 1909
In the District Court of Meade county,
Kansas, Case No. 2o45
William I. Dick Plaintiff
Meade County news. [volume] (Meade, Kan.) 1900-1918, 1909-09-02

Charles Fee returned this week
from visit at Leroy Kansas.
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14
HELD FOR GRAND LARCENY
Alfred Larsen of Hyrum Arrested in
Salt Lake for Hypothecating
Grandfather's Watch.

Logan Jan. 12--AlfTed Larsen. a young
man whose home is in Hyrum this coun-
ty. was today held for trial in the district
court on a charge Of grand larceny. by
Justice William Brdugham. Larsen was
apprehended in Salt Lake City by City
Marshal Nels Jeppesen and Detective
Chase. He left his home in Hyrum a few
days ago, taking with him a gold watch
belonging to his grandfather, Hans Pc
teTsen. The watch was of old-fashioned
European make and is said to be worth
SO. 1t was recovered from a pawn shop
in Salt Lake, where Larsen had 'soa ed
it.
The county commissioners yesterday d.
vided the county into three health dis
tricts. Logan comprises district No, J.
the towns north No. , and those south No
g. Dr. F. Z. Clarke is health officer for
No I. DR.. H. A. Adamson of Richmond
for No p and DR.. +. p. Cutler OF Hy-
rum for No. 3.
The following field assessors were APP
pointed: F. II. White for Wheeler.
Stephenson. Lewiston, Mountain Home
Cove and Richmond; Joseph Knowles for
Logan: II. r LilienqIfist fer AVIAN, Para
disc and Hyrum. Joseph r. Jeppesen lT
MiHviIle. Providence and College; A. b.
Vaughan for Wellsviile and Mt Sterling:
Peter Larsen for Mendon, Peterboro and
Benson: Thomas Godfrey for Newton,
Charleston, Trenton and CoBnish.
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14
THREE OF A KIND
Dropped Coffee, Picked Up Postum
and Health.

The harmful action of caffeine-the
drug I'm coffee and tea-is the same in
all cases, it is only matter of degree.
one person may suffer more in the
way of heart palpitatiOn, sour stomach,
nervousness or insomnia, than another,
but the poison Is there all the time, If
one continues to drink coffee or tea.
A Pennsylvania lady and two friends
learned the truth about coffee IN the
same way. The lady writes:
About four years ago | had an at
tack of nervous prostration and Sredt
deal of trouble with my heart. Some
times feared I was dying. and, my doc
tor seemed unable to find out the cause
of my trouble.
Il would frequently wake at night
with these attacks and the doctor said
there was some constant irritation Of
the nerves. and he began to think some
organic disease was at work.
zone day / was told of case very
similar to mine, and that the woman
could find no relief until she stopped
using coffee. 1 did not like the idea of
giving up coffee, for l was very fchd
of it.
r.Having real frequently of Postum,
I determined to try it. 1t certainly
made a great change in me. Those
spells left me entirely.
MY most intimate friend was afflict-
ed as I was In fact the similarity of
our affections drew US together in the
first place. When she saw the great
change Postum had made in me, she
tried it and was benefited as | was.
1.-The beneficial effects of Postum on
US two induced a neighbor to follow cuE
example. and so we are three of kind
who can't say enough in praise If Pos
tum."
Name given by Postum Co. Battle
Creek. Mich Read The Road to Well
vile" in pkgs- There's Reason"
Ever read the above letter. A new
one appears from time to time. They
are genuine, true, and full of human
interest.
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14
NEW OFFICERS CHOSEN
Monroe Commercial Club Now Led
by 0rson P. Washburn
as President.

Monroe. Jan. IA regular meeting Of
lhe Monroe Commercial club was held
saturday evening, when the annual cleo
ton of Officers took place. Orson P.
Mashourn was chosen as president for
the ensuing year; Hugh Z. Lisonbee was
erected vice president; Olof Nicholson
was reelected secretary, w. c. Morri-
son was chosen treasurer and Axel s.
FranekS, Luther Winget and ]. n. Jep-
errors.
o. P. Washburn. H. Z. I.isonbee ami
Olof Nicholson were appointed delegates
fro mthe Monroe Commercial club to the
good roads convention to be held in Salt
Lake City Jan H.
petition is being circulated to pre-
sent to the legislature for an appropria-
ton to assist in the completion of the
road from Monroe TO K0osharem through
Main canyon Already during the past
year the people of Monroe have spent
S3,110 and it will take a little more yet.
and they feel that they are entitled to
some aid from the state in their efforts.
Justice Erastus johnson made his en-
try into office on New Years day AMI
next day fined two boys a days work on
Main street instead of the customary
touch on dads pockethooE.
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14
utah COPPER OFFICIALS
TO INSPECT PROPERTY

The salt Lake general office of the Den
yer 4 Rio Grande yesterday received no
tlficatiOn from 5. X. Hooper, general pas
senger and ticket agent, 10 the effect
that Charles NJ. MacNeil, president OF the
Utah Copper company, and party. would
arrive in this city in a special car over
that road at 11:15 O'Clock this morning
The car was taken over by the d. & r.
The ear left Denver at 3.ls
o'clock yesterday afternoon. The ar
ranEemeHts are that it shall return. after
the visit of the parties in Salt Lake by
the way of the Hartman system.
At the offices of the Utah Copper CON-
pany in this city it was given out that tbs
visit of Mr. MacNeii and those who ac-
company him will be a short one. The
trip is being made as a regular visit &c
look over the properties of the company
Mr. MacNeil is president of the company
and his home is in Colorado Springs. II
is expected that he will be accompanied
ny Spencer Penrosc, treasurer also OF
Colorado Springs, and by J. r. Babbitt
general counsel Of the company, whose
home is in New York There will be sew
eTal other men connected with the com
pany in the party.
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14
PLANNING BIG CONVENTION
0f UTAH FRUIT GROWERS

r,7rard Taylor, secretary OF the
D. t,srd of horticulture, returned yes
sl1.5 e-,r, Logan. where. the evening
t, he attended session of the ex-
beiOlc, committee OF the association
sc1uys bsld to set a date for the hor-
Fn.u convention i'm this city and
rl1i.e.-,---- ,. DIans in connection with the
nlahe The oates set for the big event
COW - Is and u and il was decided that
sre g~-----arn should be Of very general
%. tba toDics to be discussed to deal
Hat-' letter. intended to meet the crying
F.l5 pa me h0rticulturists Of the state.
nteu. predicted from all Information
- nv the secretary and the various
sa.-lt,rs III the committee. that this con-
A..io- will he the most largely attended
es'+ts+ in would be. me assured by results
t.iDsd the best gathering of fruit rails
- over held in the state
IT, nrraram has not yet been fully out
- End ID is Planned TO bring some well
lL-ouu h0rticuiturists here from other
5.stss Among them II the efforts are
sa-,-es-r--I will be Judge Fremont Wood
N Boise Ida: an apple speclallst ana
1lL-,5ah1v the best known authority on
l.-,i---Itflre and the subjects closely allied
LII thai industry in Idaho.
'otber men of note whom the commit
80 will try 10 bring to the convention are
II Shenhcrd. manager of the Hood
b. Aupla Growers association; John
~ :. Moore president Of the Grand juno
-, troiol Apple Growers association,
~ II n FOv. of Omaha. general agent
"a he Tim0uera Lemon company. Il is
,.,5e-srood that railway rates from all
,-5irrs in Utah viii be granted for dele
rstes 90 the meeting.
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14
CASE is REMANDED BACK
Att Held for Murder in Second De-
gree, While Information Charged
Murder in the First Degree.

Logan. Jan. u.-Today Judge Vaughan
granted the motion to Guash the informa-
ton charging John W. Att with murder,
which was made last week. the case was
remanded back to the Justices court,
however. for a new hearing and Att or
dered held by the sheriff. The reason for
the quashing of the information was that
the stenogra pher who reported the pro-
ceedinss at the preliminary hearing was
not sworn. and then the committing mag
istrate held Att for murder in the second
degree while the information charged
murder in the first degree
The county commissioners. at a special
meeting held today, confirmed the ap-
pointment of Fred G. Smith as chief dep
uty to Sheriff Crookston.
The local Fish and Game Protective as
ISOLATION scored a victory before the COM
missioners. getting their man. William q
Anderson. named for chief deputy wal
den, instead of the political machine $
choice liver Niels n.
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14
WORLDS RICHEST WOMEN.
Correspondence PhilaC
North American.)

nondon Correspondence Philadelphia
North AmeTieanD
A list of the ten richest women in the
world has been published here. Mrs. Hetty
Green leads with fortune estimated at
500, 100000.
Mrs Russell Sage comes next with an
estimated fortune of $4,000 900.
Frau Bertha Won Bohlen, daughter of
Krupp, the German gun manufactures,
comes third. with $S0,000.00o.
Mrs. Frederick Cortland Penfield of
Philadelphia is fourth with s6o,0o0,000.
Nine Creel Of Mexica. is said to have
an income of s5.00o.000 a year.
The MarchiOness of Graham. by the
death of her father. the Duke of Hamil-
ton, came into the possession of an in
come of nearly 5000 year.
The Bariness Won Eckhardstein. the
daughter of Sir Blundell Maple, has re-
Gently came INTO the second portion of her
fathers fortune. making her yearly in
come $5500O9.
The Duchess of Roxburgh. who was
Miss May Goelet is credited with possess
ing a fortune of IS. 100000.
The Countess Szechenyi, who was Miss
Gladys Vanderbilt. is placed on the list
with si2O0.00.
Mrs S. G. Ascher. daughter of the late
Harry BaTnato. is estimated to be worth
sl06O0,O00.
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14
DAVID ECCLES FIGURES IN BIG
IRRIGATION PROJECT IN OREGON

David Eccles of Ogden is to play an i'm
portant part in the reclamation and irri-
CATION of 1000 acres of land in the La
Grande valley in Oregon. He has agreed
tot furnish 100000 if the entire 1000 acres
in the proposed system are subscribed for
by the farmers of the locality. This is
on the basis of S2o per acre, payable in ten
annual installments. after which the water
rights go with the land.
Definite action will be taken in the mat
ter at meeting OF the farmers and others
interested to be held in la Grande next
Saturday Part of the scheme may be
abandoned for the present because of the
heavy expense of timbering to carry the
water to what is known as the Sand
Ridge. The land subscribed will be guar
anteed to Mr. Eccles by lien and mortgage
to secure him for the $500 600 advanced and
the farmers will take stock in the irriga-
ton company to secure them.
The Amalgsmated Sugar company has
a factory located in this valley. 1t now
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14

manu- actures sugar from the beets grown
on sVV to ZOO acres OF land. The fear
u expressed that unless the irrigation
scnene Is carried out the sugar factory
VIII De abandoned as more beets are re-
CURED 10 make its operation profitable.
FREQ ~ Faylor. manager of this plant for
1ls Eceles interests. is now in Salt Lake
the company.
~ IS announced that the irrigation of r.
w acres OF good agricultural land is feas-
lDle and cheap under the plan proposed.
the irrigation of the other 5000 acres will
be more expensive. but it is bound to
come IN time. Water can be brought upon
the lzVoo acres at little expense because
II VIII How through a natural channel
from the dam in the Grande Ronde river,
twenty-five miles northwest of La Grande
as Tar as Oradell, about one mile from La
Grande. At this point it is proposed to
construct another dam and distribute the
water from there by means of a system
of canals
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14
NEW COMPANY ORGANIZED.

Ephraim, Jan IA company of infan-
try in the National Guard was mustered
kamerman. assisted by the officers of the
Manti and Mt Pleasant companies, and
the following officers were chosen: Cap-
tain, E. A. Britsch; first lieutenant. V. G..
Logan, second lieutenant. Charles Ras-
muSson. These officers were elected by
unanimous vote. Captain Britseh and
Lieutenant Logan are experienced army
men and are well qualified for the offices
to which they have been elected.
At the close of the meeting Tuesday
afternoon the company gave banquet at
the Union hotel after which a grand bali
was given at the opera house.
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14
Assessment Notice.

BLACK JACK CONSOLIDATE MIr--
ing company. Principal place Of business
Provo. Utah, Notice is hereby given that
at meeting Of the board Of directors Of
the Black Jack Consolidated Mining com
Dany. held on the 18th day Of January,
1899 an assessment no. 4l Of one Gl cent
per share was levied on the outstanding
csDital stock OF the CORPORATION. payable
Immediately I'D 2 = Allen. secretary.
room Z. Knight block. Provo City. Utah
ANY stock upon which this assessment
may remain unpaid ln Monday FebTgars
15 1853 Will b. delinquent and advertised
for sale at public 1uction. and unless pay
ment is made before. viii be solo on Fri
dav. March = 1903 at the hour Of 2 o'clock
D. H.. 20 pay the delinquent assc ssnent.
together with the cost Of advertising and
expense Of sale r. +. ALLEN
Secretary.
Utah.
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14
pRoVo NEWs NOES.

Provo. JAN 12-The following additional
s5-ntv officers have been appointed: W.
+ Camp. superintendent, and Mrs. c f.
lone. mstrou. of the county infirmary.
T5av both served last year.
doctors H. S Pyne and Horace @. Mer-
IN are both applicants for the office OF
.1rIntv physician. Their case will be de-
rtded al the meeting Of the board to be
teId next week
s II. Ross of Lehi and Justin A. Love
las of Psyson were appointed deputy
1ountv clerks to take applications for
marriage licenses.
q. Warfield and Arthur Brown were
,rnointed deputy county sheriffs to serve
n the United States reclamation camps
I'M Snanish Fork canyon.
Joseph S. Park was reappointed Janito7
Of the court house.
A marriage license has been issued to
rsnnie Laub Of St. George and Frank
rYtzeerald Of Mammoth.
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14

have stuck TO il once more IN tri-
umph between my teeth with the feeling
that. came the three corners Of the
world in arms against me. my faith
full pipe would help me 10 beat off
the shock. In storms By sea and land.
and in those still more tempestuous
hours that only those who largely burr
the midnight oil can know. my pipe
has ever purre,i and puffed its mes
sage of courage and hope till now il
has dropped out Of the ranks. Ike the
wonderful one-hoss shay. all together
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14
TEACHING OF EXPERIENCE.
Kansas City JournalD


Dr. Ethenbert Gilbert of Duluth is will
ing in marriage ceremonies to omit, when
ever requested to do so, the obnoxious ito
obey"
One of DR.. GilbeTt's parishioners took
him to task about this matter the other
day
''What right have y0u, he said. TO
tamper with the marriage ceremony
DR.. Gilbert not at all perturbed, laughed
easily.
.lOh, we'll" he said, that obey is a
dead letter The very best women in the
world promised to obey me eighteen years
ago. but she hasn't to this day
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14
DIED.

WILCOx-At 24s West Second South. Jan.
-. 1903. of old age Marian ". Richards
Wilcox. born June Il. 1s2I, ia Massachu-
sets Mother Of DIS. g Z. and Z z
Wilcox.
Funeral services Sunday at ii a. m. from
the Fourteenth ward chapel. Friends are
invited to attend and the casket will be
opened on day Of funeral at the family
residence from . to 1879 a. m Interment
in City cemetery.
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14

cidept or the Decreasing infirmity o.
aee IL has ever seemed to WaNeF d
the call of duty, a wisp OF grass ,ol =
borrowed aaiTpln) mas re
-,o,15 re coed h11rror unfailingiy, ana
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14

GEORGE SIMMONS reported to the po-
V-e last night that two suits of clothes
and other wearing apparel had been
stolen from his rooms in he Antlers
hotel At First South and Commercial
street
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14
NIKE LOUYEF

MIKE LOWER. who a few days ago
surrendered himself to the local police
as a man wanted for burglary in Silver
City was taken back to that city yes
teTday by Sheriff Henroid.
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14

not one part first-just as bubbles 90
when they burst
And tonorroW-uot today shall ger
a new pipe. But. ON. the difference -
The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-01-14

Breakfast at the College Inn 6 to Il
o'clock.
Evening journal., 1909-10-30
CHAUFFEUR KILLED
WHEN AUTO HITS FENCE
BY United Press Leased Special Wire

BY United Press Leased Special Wire
NEW YORK, Oct. 30--One man. was
killed, another perhaps fatally injured
and a woman was badly hurt when a
big touring car enroute TO the Wander
bilt Cup races got beyond control OF
the chauffeur early to-day and crashed
into high cemetery wall In East New
York The chaffeur William Burnett,
was killed. The automobile overturned.
Mary Crawford, one OF the occupants.
and August Halfman, another pas
senger, were thrown over the cemetery
fence. Miss Crawford's injuries were
slight. but Il is thought that the man
may die. Halfman and Miss Crawford
live IN Jersey City.
Burnett's name was given the police
by Miss Crawford and his address is
not yet known. Two other passengers
left the car Immediately after the
wreck.
Evening journal., 1909-10-30
Pastor w. w. Sharp Ar
ranges a Program of
Services For a Week,
Beginning Tomorrow.

Newport ~ L. Church viii observe its
one-hundredth anniversary with a week 3
meetings. beginning at Q o'clock to-mor-
row morning with a love feast Services
will be continued throughout the DAY. The
Rev. W. W. sharp, pastor OF the church.
is looking forward to a most hapy Gem
tonnial observance at tho old church, ana
large congregations are expected at each
Of the special services. Persons who have
been members of the church at amy time
are urged 10 take part IN the services.
The program of services follows
sunday-9 a. m, love feast led by the
Rev. j IS. Thompson; 1880 a. m, preach
ing by the Rev. Adam stengiei p. M.
rally day in SUNDAY school, chalF tau
/ by Aubrey Vandever; Zao p. m, preach
ing. Rev IT. S. Thompson.
Monday evening-Preaching. Rev. Julius
! A. Brewington.
Tuesday evening-Preaching, Rev. w
Evening journal., 1909-10-30
POLICE ORDERS FOR
MONDAY NIGHT

Chief Of Police Black IS making ar
rangements for handling the big crowd
expected to be on the streets along me
route Of the Halloween parade on Mon
day night Chief Marshal James c. O'Neal
makes the requests that no Roman can
dies be used and that the fireworks dis
play be restricted TO red FIRE.
Accordingly Chief Black viii instruct
the officers on duty that night 20 arrest
any person using anything except red
fire during the celebration.
Chief Black announced to-day that
there win be a squad Of plain clothes men
on duty on Monday night and disorder OF
any kind will not be tolerated.
Evening journal., 1909-10-30
BLACK HAND HALLOWEEN
FOR STAMFORD MAN

STAMFORD. Conn. Oct sO-Abraham
SpellEe, & Stamford business man. re-
ceived BLACK Hand" letter demanding
$500. He was instructed to take the money
to an alley in onintard place on Hailow-
cen and place it in a tomato can thar
he would fnd there. Unless he did so
deposit he would be destroyed by IA
bomb.
skull and crossbones and a large
black hand were drawn above the scrawl
and another black hand was beside the
Signature. Mr.. spelke was inclined to
look upon the letter as a Joke. but he
gave il to the police. Chief Brennan said
that he considered the letter serious
enough TO warrant his hunting for the
writer.
Evening journal., 1909-10-30
GREECE FACES
SERIOUS CRISIS
Expected That the Military
League viii Proclaim
Dictatorship

By United Press Leased Special Wire.
ATHENS, oct. so.-The loyal sailors
Of the Greek fleet are today guarding
the Straits Of salamis against another
attack by the torpedo boat tiotilla
under Commander Typaldos which
after being driven from the straits
yesterday is believed to be preparing
another attack. Nothing has been oIii-
cially reported concerning the move
ments OF the hotilla but rumors are
thick. one reports the rebels enroute
10 Brindisi, Italy for refuge. Another
has the hotilla bound for Crete with
the intention of seizing the island.
The meagreness Of the details offi-
cially given out concerning yesterday s
engagement indicates that the crisis
precipitated by the mutiny is by no
means over. There is apparently no
question that the government troops
recaptured the Salamis arsenal, which
the rebels had occupied. The govern
ment has confined itself, however, to
the statement that the torpedo boat
notilla is expected to surrender soon
Despite the loyalty OF the main portion
of the navy in yesterdays engagement
Il is still feared that the sailors may
Join Typaldos in view Of the navys
extreme jealousy Of the army's pre-
dOminence.
Governmental officials are chaotic. II
is generally believed that the Military
League, which has been practically
ia 49, powers for months will now be
forced TO proclaim military dictator
ship, to counteract the loss Of pres
tige which has resulted from its fail
ure to maintain order. Former Pre-
Inier Rhallys. commenting on the sit
uation today, said:
The condition OF Greece IS most pre-.
carious. The leaders OF the Military
League might have entered the cabine'
some time ago, and combined theii
power. which they have held anyway
with the responsibility OF the position
They will undoubtedly be forced to do
this finally