The Guthrie daily leader. [volume] (Guthrie, Okla.) 1893-1996, 1909-03-11


gated the conduct Of giards2
No. isn't matter Of mind Yes It is in my mind and
1t is very distinct too
@ Il is only in your mnd9
A. There Is a record and in my mind also
81 Tgngou say there rTaq Of eccasFnRPos whiSss
you questioned guards
a Mol havcntskcpta 4 record of &c ihnc Qu&tidhed
them bit have rccordof 1.-THE reports
@ But there no.
A. No. haven't made that matter Of record
q AS understand it the theory adopted is with TIC SAME
average that here e number Of reports ought %
be about hc same
A. Yes, sir
O. And when itc guard increases his reports as You think
undus you often Try to inquire what the trouble Yoa figure
that there is trouble then?
A. think The guard Is making perhaps more reports Than
he needs for tic number oi men he il working ry
age the kind Of men The guard is working and the number
Of reports that he makes and take that into consideration.
@ Then Il does bear upon guards record in your mni
be reports what you take be unduy number Of times?
A. That right
q Is there any other prison that you know Of that adopts
iwt scheme Of grading euarls7
A. have known Of prisons.
O. Is It so at IT Lcaycnworlh
Al ! don't know.
O. Minnesota
Al thinki is
@ Isitsoa Joliet
al ] don't know how II j. kept but have talked with
Warden Wocr Of Minnesota, and have talked with Wardea
Murphy and among prison officials generally that the idea
but how they do the order they keep record IN don't
know wish to in this connection You speak about the
reports Of guards That guard that makes undu5 number
Of reports considering the OF he working and where
he Is working them called into the office and questioned
regard 10 why he makes them and why this report was nee
cssary other report and asked if he get along without
making so many The efficiency Of guard not measured by
the number Of reports makes the large number Of reports he
makes but rather BY the small number
D. Then say that the efficiency Of guard is
measured BY the number Of reports he makes
Al Rather yes, sir The large number Of reports isn't
mark 81 efficiency.
O. 1t is to the contrary mark Of deficiency isn't l1
Al Yes sir; considering what he accomphhes
Q The prisoners arc divided up into divisions How many
guards a diyisionq
A. That depends upon where they working. Some
sin have large number and viii have small number
@. But mean there ID only guard to one diyisonF
A. Yes sir s
O. How many divisions have you now Mr. HASKELL
Al don't state positively, because in the last two weeks
have opened Tip divisions n fact in regard 70
The divisions IN the mines am not expert on that 50
down IN the mine frequently but how many divisions there
wouldn't be able say because ic superintendent has been
opening np some divisions.
O Docs tie superintendent suggest lhc number oi men
lla he should work for each dyaoue
All hmk lie does think d arranged by him aud the
guards there and e deputy warden That would say was
O 10 you know about It? You say you think
a. ann positive ila is The way is arranged
u MI Fulton has charge Of DE mincs2
A. Yes sir
@ And The reason he hasn't charge Of The discipline
lmi the discipline may al be under one licad9
A. That Is the reason.
@ Does Me Fulton make his suggestions 10 The deputy
wardcn2
A. For instance Ne wants more men u p dyson le
witt notify tie deputy warden and the deputy warden win make
the detail
g. lis suggestions 40 to the deputy wurdcn2
N Yes sir
@ That is tie way he communicated
Is That's the way he communicates
D You say that Mr. Wolfcr Of the Minnesota prison. fol-
b,ys he same system Is tie advancement 81 guards!
a. don't know only what have had ip conversation
don't really want bring hr WoIicrs tbs report bu.
w say have talked with different wardcn and think na
Is he concensu Of opinion Of al the leading wardens at have
talked with that guard that efficient and well qualified
for his duties the one who has ability to take gang Of ncn
and work them ad keep their good will and gct work accmr
lsncd and done wiH as less friction as possible,
Q. Who IS Mr. Murphy