The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-03-16

= affirmative vote of the follot1ng =
= rippers in the house;
= Allen, Archibald, Ashton. Bower. y
: Cannon. Davis, Dorius, Eardley, =
= England, Fuller, Hansen, Hayes, y
= Holman, McCracken, William No
= MILAN, Hugh A. McMillin, McRae, =
y Nelson. Nelson. Pope, Porter, Rus y
y sell, Webster, White, Wootton and =
= Speaker Robinson.
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The Marks ripper bill, the fire and 20
lice commission measure, passed the house
yesterday afternoon after a sharp strug-
gle The bill came up at a late hour in
the afternoon, when everybody was tired
and wanted to go home. After the words
'or other governing body had been la
bOriously inserted in the various places
where the words city council occurred,
the bill was read.
1t was then away after O'Clock.
Mr.. Thompson made an effort TO saun-
ter until a.J0. There was strenuous OBJ
lection TO this, and the motion was op-
posed by Holman, Archibald and others.
Holman then arose to 10 what he called
mitigate graft in SaIt Lake and would
give the lire and police departments
back to the freehOlders." He said the
Salt Lake delegation was solidy for il.
ViIIainous and Vicious.
Il think this bill is a villanious and
vicious measure" said Mr.. Thompson,
and not worthy the dignified considera-
ton of this house. Here we have passed
the Des Moines plan bill for salt Lake.
and ! believe that measure amply takes
care Of the situation. l believe this is
purely a political measure. and is in
tended to give immunity to those who
can be bought and sold, as they have in
the liquor proposition"
Mr.. Thompson was interrupted by Nc
Millin, who objected to interfering the
CussiOn.
Ashton started to read long opinion
from firm of lawyers, which McCrack-
en- afterward characterized as obscure,
but he was checked off.
Morris Eyes Opened.
Since I have been here said Mr.
Morris, my eyes have been opened in
this political game, A few days ago we
passed a bill that legislated men into Of
fics-we doubled the terms of officehOId-
ers. We had no right to do this. There
IS 40 principle Of our government in
practice or theory that gives cOuntenance
to such d thing. Now we are asked to
take from the taxpayers, the people, the
right to govern themselves.
Il cannot subscribe to any such doc
trine as this Neither can I subscribe to
the doctrine whereby is given the right
to take these rights from the people. How
long have we the assurance that the gov-
ernOr viii be right, or that he will be
wrong. If we give this power into the
hands of the party in control. why not
give him the power to appoint the county
commissioners. the sheriffs, the clerks
and every other officer?
The very object of this bill is to de-
pTive the people of the right to exercise
the principle which led TO the revolution.
We rebelled against England because we
were being taxed without our consent
Refutes Charge of Bribery.
On a question of personal privilege
which soon grew to be a question wide
in scope. MCMillin Tefuted the charge OF
he believed this sort of thing had been
left to THE Bulletin and a lot more
which lasted up to the point of his time
limit but he would have persisted had
not there been a chorus of objections.
McCracken got out his little constitu-
ton, and said that a city and all the
people existed by the grace of the legisla-
ture
Russell said his party went before the
people last fall on a promise to take
the police and fire department out of pol
tiles. and-a1d-and, well, that's all I've
got 10 say.
Archibald said there was plenty of cor
ruption in Salt Lake, and he took it that
the legislature had a right TO correct evils.
If he could be shown where the fire and
police departments were deeper in poll
tics than they are in salt Lake, he would
like to be shown; and if he were shown
he would vote against the bill.
Henrie Objects to Manner.
After Porter had declared his belief that
the state is bigger than any city, and
the United States greater than any state
Mr.. Henrie OF Garfield made few re-
marks.
4 don't object to Salt Lake having
commission If il needs one he said, put
il is the method Of getting the commits
sion l object to- When our form of gov
eminent was formed it was the idea to
t.
go -ern its own affairs. Certainly this
cannot be carried out if the governing
body is one which has no one to whom
TO answer. that can do as it likes and
How the Vote Stood.
The vote stood:
Ayes-Allen, Archibald Ashton Bower
Cannon, Davis, Dorius, Eardley. England.
Fuller Hansen, Hayes, Holman, Me-
Cracker, William Mcmillan, Hugh A.
McMillin, McRae, Nelson. Nelson. Pope.
Porter, Russell, Webster, White, Wootton,
Mr.. Speakers
NOes-Baker, Barnette. Dyreng. Funk,
Haycock, HenTie, King, Morris tlur-
dock, Parmley, Smith. ThemDson-12.
viii Have Short Shrift.
After the passage of the bill in the
house the opinions Of lawyers already IN
reservedly expressed were reiterated to
the effect that the bill. If approved By
the governor. which unQuestionably it will
be- judging at this distance. will not
stand the test in the courts. In addi-
ton to the constitutional provision which
reads that the legislature may not deN
gate the power OF municipal government
ia any of it's branches to a special COM
mission. further complication arises in
the contention that the policemen and
firemen would become state employees and
would by the state have TO be paid, since
they would be working for state board.
Also it Is maintained, council or
other governing board" cannot legally
be compelled to provide money by levy
Of taxes upon the people of municipal
ity for the express purpose Of paying state
officers or employees. This provision is
one Of the main features of the bill,
when it makes provision that whenever
this state board shall make up its mind
how much money ii ought to have for
legitimate and presumably other pur-
poses in any year it gives its figures
to the city council OF to the city COM
mission. as the case may be. and. sling.
the latter must dig up the amount and
turn it over to the federal bunch.
How to Stop It.
IF the governor signs the bill and it
J becomes 4 law the first Stcr will be 10