The Guthrie daily leader. [volume] (Guthrie, Okla.) 1893-1996, 1909-03-15


A. For the last three and half Or little matter
O. How is the administered
A. Set in the end Of a crib who ever administers il
sits at the other end
@ Who administers it9
A. Sometimes i is done by the doctor sometimes BY Mr.
Spencer The insane keeper The docc may have id somebody
else sometimes to do IL has done under Ms directions
@ You are generally there, aren't your
A. have been there probably most always sent Tor
O. You are the person that says how much punishment
shall geil
Al Nc. il that case, the doctor says in that
Q You say how lie shall be psinislcda
A. Yes sir
@ And how much punishment be shall get provided the
doctor says he stand Il?
Al YES sr let him OF very light tic first time The
FIRST time you wouldn't give him anycrb anything else for ihe
FIRST otfense.
O. You prescribe the punishment
A. Yes sir nearly always
All How many times has the been used during
the lime Mr.. Haskell has been hcre7
A. IS or otimes.
O. You think that each Of these forms oil punishment have
been used about the same, tlenl
AZ Probably
O. The crib and water cure
A. The crib hasn't been used but little punishment
since Mr.. Haskell has been here
o. How often since Mr. Haskell has been hcre7
Al don't remember of using the crib since Mr. Haskell has
been here IS punishment That IS the who PIT m
there we're either who Oh IN way has been
used a restraint
@ DO YOU remember a named Ashbyl
a. Yes, sir.
O DO you remember him ever being punished?
al ] think he had TIC
o. Did he have the crib
a. don't think he did, He in the crib when tie water
cure was administered
q How was he given the water cufcs
al Hose turned garden hose il played Up end
down his body and feet fromlHs head down
N That was all that donep
az That my recollection now
Q Was he PIT on lis face?
a. don't think he
g Was he. or not?
al. don't think lc wouldni say positive
q. Was he put "a his stonach
"A. L wouldn't say. positively.
O. Was he left lying his stomach or face,
A. My best recollection IS that I've wasn't?
@ Was he left lying that way for hours
"A. No sir not for hours
O. Did he express any pan'
A. Well he promised reform and promised to quit doing
what he had been doing and let him out don't think he was
there half an hour
@. Did he express any pain?
a. don't remember that he did
O. Do you remember that he didnt
al No don't remember that he didn't
9. Have you heard any convict express panf
AL No | don't know as have
O. Why are You in doubt whether Ashby ii pain
notl
minute that the hes been poured them heard
any body express pain.
@ Neye heard anybody express pain The water curc7
A. They would say Z will quit this OF obey these rules
@ You heard any express pain Of the water
1urcl
A. Never have
@ But you have heard chem express pain 81 the crb'
A. Yes sir
O. IIave you heard any OF them express pain from tie crib
heard ANYBODY call out from pain?
al They have cried and said they II 9sir and
wanted get out
Q. In your opinion were they III pain Or not
A. don't know
And set you ere there for the purpose o. determining
thal2
"a. When am in doubt 20 and get the doctor.
@. liow often have you gone to get the doctor?
DO nearly every day, il have lot Of men punish
mcr and says there is down yonder wants
gc out but he wot agree do what You want him TO- but c
suffering 60 and get the doctor and refer his to him
do that probably three times week, in times like this
O. Nearly every day three times week you have 10 go
gct The doctor and find whether is in pain not
al will 40 and get him. say "a such a