The Guthrie daily leader. [volume] (Guthrie, Okla.) 1893-1996, 1909-03-15
LANSING TESTIMONY.


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@ Do you have to go 10 him three times week.
since Mr.. Haskell has been wardcnF .ss
A. Fam not certain that have They get very uncon-
Portable in all these positions
@. Have you ever seen any Of them antl
A. have not
@ Never any Of them faint?
Al There was ono man, Iiavc forgotten his name ,lcy
said he had tainted went in just they taking him
of the crib,
@ Was he black or whiicf
A. Black man.
O. You remember him faining?
A. Yes sir Some Of them said he tainted
@ Who else was ihecf
a ! think Mr. Haskell there, pr Crigsby and Mr..
Spencer.
g Did You any other man faint1
A No, didn't; not on punishment Haven't
@ DO you remember Of any calag out as H IN
pain during punishment
Al Well there have been men called out during punishment
DO il quite frequently
O. Yor know what mean crying out with painf
A. have heard them say 4 am tired want Of this"
and things Of that kind
q. You don't want to tell me you don't know what means
g cry out from pain2
A. know fully what il means
Q. Did YOU ever hear any man cry out from pain?
A. wouldn't say that had or had not because will tell
You these make all kinds Of fakes in the world lie wants
out Of that place and he says he suffering he tells me he in
pain have got his word for IL
g. Yet you have determine whether he in pain or fax
mgp
A. don't think lie was suffering any real pain
@ VIII you answer the question whether not YOU ever
a. probably 60 three or four times a day, sometimes
@. What do you refer to hn7
Al Any time has done anything unusual when a man
ncorrgbc often tho prisoners and would like to talk
tc matter with tic warden, then 60 the warden always
refer the matter to him. at least
Q. What else in the prison besides discipline and referring
to the warden do YOU have under your charge?
A. place all these guards assigning them to their work
and at their post and have The general supervision Of that and
locate all the prisoners that in here They taken
Of in the clothing house, washed and bathd and their pictures
ken then the doctor examines those their physical
dion Then he sends report John Smith could have any
kind Of work Bill Jones light work Some other might
have 70 The hospital for treatment don't locate him for the
present Then take those and go the rules Of the
prison with them and show them how they can get along and then
find ont what they have done before they in here and
can locate those where think they best 6
ted We don't have but few places locate ten but
try 10 locate them where think they will get
along and try impress nhcir minds If they win do what
best for themselves they will satisfy have always prdcd
myself upon learning young fellow apply himself to his work
whether Is pacticing law or digging ditch and think have
done with effect Then he is set to work II he don't get
along with his officer call him up my Office and have talk
with him, and impress on him again to what he wants to do
get along the pentenay and II he any way reasonable
ALL always him the first time and don't punish him.
Then of course if he in here odmer second
timer hd-tner and in here with idea he woni do
anything YOU want him TO- when he reported simply write
slip what want done with him.
@. What kind Of men do you send TO the mines?
A. Anybody who is marked good for any kind Of work Il
they needed there if they needed there than they
are whereas else
@ Ar you familiar with the fact that cannot
50 up any distance 90 down any distance way Of
some the otheri
A. knew that there Sgere some men that couldn't 60 up
but don't know have heard Of that couldn't 30
down
Therefore you don't make any petense Of determining
whether actually SO down and work in there not9
A. No when first locate him. Il he is marked good
for any kind Of work put him in the mines Unless have
got other place put him. Sometimes Judge the man
II he old man don't PIT him IN the mines he is middle
aged and hasn't done any hard work avoid putting him in the
mines.
CROSS EXAMINATION BYtAlR REED:
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