The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1909-12-20
SOCIALISM IS UNDR
DEBATE AS SC|[N|
Rev. William Thurstuu d..
and Chauncey Thomas Ils' ns
bate Great Problems, :
NEGATIVE SIDE CONTENDS
PRACTICE Is IMP0SSu1D,
Affirmative Maintains Tba, Z,
tain Doom of Capitalism sl / !
Near at Hand. 7


Near at Hand. +
rs Socialism ScieutIgcqr
Ject Of q debate before tb, s, @s u'e =
club In thc Unitarian cIm," sel:a
e'onins between The ner Villa, sSn' ~
ton Brown and Chauncey rh@1 ,,a" i1a
road cdilo" Of The Tribunc ,o'as p ID
upheld the socialistic. Willie NJ, w., n Irv'
TOOK th" scientific side of ,hn .inos'
M Brown said in part. queslcr.
not scheme but q law n, ,IhoVlsirm
IntHl 9l human society os wy ncyt'a
capitalism has seen lis 6,,. "m oIgania
iinS "ith al IT'S evils. T6c nm ana Is n,
tiEl theTe Is j" such tbino. I .Io Y
EsrSo mI mercy. Justice rgIf ~ ar4 1c u
Hds sun - great deal tu lc1rn "'u hi4
i.,%c'.ris!n Is growing acco-d,.
S'ii'l Sc)rnlihc laws auJ !; I,'nns
according to the law OF avo,;,,,, ac's'osl
!eN. one pl Tic grentesi &C., .uh. ~
| mind and 9oul vino ever ln.s,, '..Ss
INA Il must cUmc or cls. H. Y'.lie1
'ilS 'a!'" Is not worth l.vlur ''' Y.
Tools and Who Use 7hem
"SocialisT-. Is Inc owners. - 80"
81. W. use lnem-not nv NJ.
VINO do not use them. Wolirn- ~
one OF the greatest scinmiiGI' ialcl
'"'.chcrs.. gave an cntirclS ,7 ssvnp7
| count OF now capital cano ,r,ns ,,ons
nc man who, according in 10
! saved his dried fish so thai ho Mak.
on u while he built r,nc ,'e e.1l y
| rented 60 Others while he liz, 'uaI
G!d not exist He could nn, "a. ~ e
,.le canoe. according TO ali ,Lo ~. ~.
thG savage tribes today. bclon".,ii w, W
have rented IL. ''S Soa5 q
Capitalism came into the ,,o,,s
| tho tools became too larzr tor "y,a Ia ~
ownership. and with capitaIjsm ,nNla, rel'
Nas" system that makes wae" elsra'
OF the workers. SHAes
Socialism will not crnss ans.
| Till II comes 10 them. No yrIii oys5'
socialism. then solve tho o,hcr ,uns, n.s
| that follow us thcy como nm sy,t sry
/ N"TIE about them beforehand 81
ism viii abolish war bccauss wraD
W"rkihE men OF The world como h &
I%r that they are all brothers then b.,
can ne no war, FOR there wln bs na =
| To fight wars. hence There viii rn,
| war. PROSTITUTION is one OF lhc rss<
| or WAY and Of capitalism. When -
| ISM comes there viii be neither -
| tuition nor other evils of the vars A.
tom that makes slaves OF tbs wan,
| class
The Scientific View.
Mr.. Thomas confined himself lard,
! inur questions which nc put for soei,h-
| 10 answer OF fall. He said In nan. N.
/ ing newspaper man. | am natIr5llr n
= capitalist. otherwise ! would moi \
newspaper man. Eut confess Ia Z.
Z things. l am not 2 reformed socialist \
a corporation man. even II do las,
smoke Henry George cigars.
Socialism is logical and herein Is
danger II one accepts the prcmsss
socialism one must accept The cors-
Sicns of socialism. I did both and io./
! That the conclusions NJ socialism -
! impossible. 50 ] took the bark trail u
found that tic premises wcrc wpus 4
though they arc widely accepted n
taught today IN all our publications 4
schools and especially from our pglpif
-Four Main Questions.
Here are four questions that s,a|
would have socialism answer: If sott
. ism is = Worldwide movement. i1tex|
for all mankind. how IS II 10 be ap;-
to the negro. The Sapaccs of Afficz 81
America and Asia? II il cannot 6r Z
piled Ia all OF thcsH, il becomes na0|
Il scheme OF one sniall part OF ,fe u
man race. the white working czs.
profit at the expense OF all lhc IIs-
mankind.
The earth can produce Just 80 ~.
but population viii increase iadefniX
till the point CONES when poverty q
cnSuc and stop increase, Poverty i'
nf sufficient food for the iudNiinl
The lack uf meaus OF .aising IA
Ii the food supply is limited lheTc
como a polnt some time when poMI
must limit. the increase oi tho rdns
j. called the law Of diminishing rsi.
in sgIiCulturC. How can socialism ~
this law"
After Socialism, WnatY
There is an iron law of DaluT,,
the lower !u the scale Any species
more IL roprodUc@s. Thus Two au
side by Side, with ono lower taaa
other. viii sec The lower nation ila
the faster till il must iigii tns lS
nation or suffer from Il cOnSdnW p
ing lack Of food in its own Dondcrs'
is why the barbarian has nlwdls ~
run ciViliZa tion. and alWaSs VIII
people uf Russia are incrfaSins Nv ~
fourth timcs faster toiiy Ms,
the Germans. What must ilappen
Russia is full; has reacHe9 .'e ~, -"
its food supply? Waf- Mu -
is impossible with war. Ho"
ism going 10 avoid war ul'der VI .,,;
dIiiogs over which man has no W-s'
"As lony rs Il lower race lEciyAss :. ~
ter than a higher race ,hei' ,,,,ss wa,
and with war there VIII be arHNss ri.,- NJ
with armies tncrc must be WVsSs1|
and other evils. with tnis law - ~
raj Increase how VIII siuas s9cinlssw w,vis'
prostitution and all IT'S klhuisS9 S,,blrr
after socialism Wnat. ,,sirr u
l. So 4. Fl
a constant state OF cndhsr-,t-,n K n
arguments sake that soola.;a,ts,~ =
info practice. what next So0i,S. sa.o n
nor ,"' rprInnjn. II must change no
thing else. What: ss,.
Says Socialism Is lmpoS'ps
"A chain is no STRONGER IpSn S,se' So
est link, neither Is anEtlli,s. ln,,ss.,.,us OF u
ism must answer theSs W.. and ii1r
rjlIis,o W 'ISn Is impossiblc becausc . sss'il, /,
E!al!9iu ,,i. - nr y.,t,ire. il Is usoess
r tn,n,t "ociaiIs,n. lust as We sl~r D, Il 4
motion is impos:s'''c So cco,xrss| .
iLr iaU OF friction and the coS,ir. " ,ir.
az cnrr-y 50 it is a w.iSt,s l,., y, ,roaess3I
inv lo invent perpetual h,ytiu" h1,,D" VII
II Is The samc with socid. ,rturDs
'sThe law of dimlnlship,eS ,So Ian q
law of natmal increase, & &,5s las d
slant c Change make socialism Ihsss ssI Ihri
How docs socialism ans"el II
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house WAS damaged to 'ho -
A private safe may DC DSS.njis lit 81
fire and burelar-prcoI 1S 1;rust eorf'
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