The Washington times., 1909-02-01
Either 6 WouId - KiIIed.


beings from exposure to gas poisoning
have shown. and the gentleman who
has made more OF those Investigations
than any other one man In the world
/ probably made d statement here yes
/ tttudL Jnars personally he was con-
/ Fiuceu from his Investigation that the
/ conditions Of exposure were such that
1. me coal gas would have killed in prac-
( llcaliy every case. and that is what /
/ nave SAID that the conditions of eN-
/ posture are such that the gas with the
+ lower percentage of carbon mOnONde
/ would have killed. and that is all you
/ can DO TO anybody.
/ DR.. HAEWOOD-Can YOU give us q
/ reference 10 any literature that viii
/ prove that point OF yours that you have
+ just made2
Reports Not in Library.
/ Mr.. FORSTAII-AU these investiga-
/ lions TO which Commissioner Barker
/ referred in his statement are published
( iu the annual reports Of the board Of
! gas and electric light commissioners Of
/ Massachusetts. I have tried after I
/ but the Congressional Library does not
/ have them.
/ Mr.. THOMAS have most or them
Mr.. FORSTAII-They can be ana
+ lived very readily
/ Dr. HAYWOOD-Have you read the
/ lsG report OF the board of health OF
Massachusetts,?
+ Mr.. FORSTALL-I have not.
Dr. HA4WOOD-YOu did not know
( then that there were certain questions
/ in there-tne thiTty-rOurth annual report
ia regard TO the use OF water gas and
/ coal Sas2
Mr.. FORSTALI-I did not know
know nothing about that report
Dr. HAY WOOD-SuppOse were TO
tell YOU that the House wrote 10 the
I board OF health Of Massachusetts and
asked them 10 answer certain questions
in regard 20 coal and water gas, and
[ continued telling you that. in answer
70 that. The whole board Of health OF
Massachusetts signed this letter In an
sNcrs and said that, in the thirteen
years before the Introduction OF water
gas INTO Massachusetts there were
something like eight deaths from illumi-
mating gas poisoning in Massachusetts,
mat IN the thirteen years after water
gas was introduced the figure rose TO
( me tremendous number of something
Ike between 400 and 504 Would YOU be
lleye such figures as that2 Do you
. think that IS good authorfty2
Mt fbRSIALL-Let me understand;
you mean that the total deaths in thir-
teen years were between 400 and 500?
Letter Signed by Board.
DR.. HAYWOOD say that the board
OF health of Massachusetts signed a let
ter saying that for the period OF thir-
teen years before the Introduction of
water gas the deaths were about eight
from Illuminating gas poisoning, and
that during the period of thirteen years
sitter the introduction Of water gas the
deaths had risen to about $50, some from
Illuminating gas.
Mr.. FORSTALI-What / want 10
lJE0W-that statement was quoted IN. the
proceedings here's whether that sTate-
ment is that the total deaths IN the thIr-
teen years were 80. or the deaths in
DR.. HAYWOOD-In the whole thirteen
years from Illuminating gas poisoning
Would you believe that statement2
Mr.. ORSTAIlL-CerLaiuIy I would
believe that their statistics showed
those figures.
Questions the Statistics.
DIT. HAYWOOD-You question their
statistics
Mr. FORSTALL-I did question their
statistics yesterday. Commissioner Par
kerr who is the president of the rasI
commission OF Massachusetts. questions
the statistics.
DR.. HAYWOOD-Aud yet this is signed
by every member OF the board Of health
or Massachusetts.
Mr.. FORSTALL-Their statistics show
IT, 1ne statistics did not show all the
deaths from gas poisoning before tho
advent or CaTbuTeted gas
Mr. SKINNER would like TO ask a
question. foI have testified as to the
deaths from trolley accidents and others
is 10 not d fact that the speed OF tr0llev
cars Is Tegulate6 70 a certain limit2
MI HDRSIAl4L-Inere are reguIa-
lions as 10 the speed, yes. do not
know whether the speed is regulated
lLauEhLeTJ
Tendency Toward Regulation
Mr. SKINNER-Is It not true that the
tendency IS nowadays to regulate also
high motive electric currents by putting
them underground. and ia other vzav-.
60 make them safer2
Mr.. FORSTALL-If putting them uu-
der ground makes them safer. yes.
Mr.. SKINNER say. Is not that the
tendency today, TO do that?
AR FORSTALL-Yes
Alr. SkINNER-Do you not know that
there are regulations generally, and IA
the city OF Washington TO regulate the
sale OF pOisOns2
4IF. FORSTALI-I presume there are:
there are IN all cities / know Of
Nj sklNNER-You are aware that
Congress has passed law regulating
the use Of adulterated fOods2
ar. FORSTAIL~-Yes
AIT. SKINNER-The tendency IS 20 /
regulate them. IS 70 uOt2
Mr.. FOkSIALL-Ihe tendency IS 90 +
regulate everything Just at present.
Effect Of Limitation.
3Ir. SKINEER-One other question. If 4
the limit in this bill were raised 20 %
per cent monOxides what effect would 4
that have2
Mr.. TAYLOR-DO you mean what ef- I
feet it would have upon the gas. or up-i
on the Uusincss2
Mr.. SEINNER--I mean upon the com-I
pauy.
Mr. ORSTALL-Tweuty per cent /
would leave them just about where they
are now. ] think the percentage OF car
bon mOnOzdde in the gas runs along 1
about a.
ALr. SKINNEE-WeIl, one other cues
ton Analyses have shown the carbon
mOnoxide has run higher than -. What /
OF coal gas would you think
was IN that2
MT FORSTALL-Highe than 90? 7 /
would not say there was any percentage /
of coal gas, / would say there was q
large error I'm the analysis.
MT. SEIENER-IIat is a question for
others 10 decide
NIr. FORSTALL-T0u asked me what
] should say.
Insists on a Reply.
AIr. SKINNEB-YOu have not an
swered the question about the effect
ON the company.
Mr. FORSTALI-I said II would leave
them Just q bout the same.
Mir. SEINAEsFt-That would mean that