The Washington herald., 1909-02-01
reliable figures upon that

~ works. ana f5aS - al
Ir 1 can go further tina
u zl my general knowledg
OF F ssat It IS obvious tha
two sfefs 9 that are making
per ,-1 t e1ai and 50 per cent o
carbu- fe1 gas cannot
econoB tGrned into q works max
Ing 10 cent OF coal gas, and woul
( therefore have TO be for economic rea
sons abandoned If the gas had to be al
! coal gas.
Mr. Thomas-But yOu have made n
valuation OF the part Of the works tha
would have 10 be sbandoned2
SIR F0rstall-N0, sir.
Ar- Thomas-And ycu have made n,
valuation or estimate or the amount o
material, or work that would have 20 b.
(. done, 10 replace the abandoned part2
Mr. Forstali-Yes; ] have made an on
+ hand calculation.
Ar. Thomas-Yes. 7 know. but I an
/ speaking about a valuation that vvouis
/ be reliable. that would give what Ihs
I actual cost was: you have not done taht'
/ 9ir- Forstall-I think the cost that
gave would not be very far away from
What would be necessary TO replace with
+ coal gas apparatus the present apparatus
( Of the company.
4 Mr.. Thomas-If you were building :
+ gas plant, would you be willing 70 have
one make an oh-hand estimate Of that
kind and take that as a figure. OF would
you want 70 know the details?
Mr. F0rstsll-Of course. you would have
70 make up the details.
Mr. Thornas-You have not made any
such detailed examination?
Air. FOrstail-No. sir.
Mr- Thomas-Nor do you know the
value Of the mains, the number OF miles
Of mains?
8Ir. ForstaIl-No. sir.
Mr. ThOmas-Or OF the consumers serv-
Ica2
aIr. FoTstaIi-No. sir.
Mr.. Thomas-In other words. you have
not gone over the plant al all?
3Ir. FOrstall-No, sir
Mr.. ThOmss-That is all
Dr. Haywood would Ike 20 ask the
gentleman who has just been speaking
question. Did you say you were 4
gas manufacturer?
Mr. Forstall-In a small way. an
the manager OF a gas plant that makes
about 5,o90.0o0 feet q year just al present
but ny business Is consulting gas en-
gineer
Dr. Haywood-Are you a chemist7
Mr. ForstaIl-I have had an education
n chemistry.
Dr. Haywood-would you cal yourself
q chemist2
Ar. Forstail-No; would not call ny
self an analytical chemist
Dr.. HaywoOd-Have you ever studied
physiological chemistry
Mr.. Forstail-No.
DR.. HayFood-Have you ever been a
sanitarian2
Mr.. ForstaIl-No.
Dr.. Haywood-Are you an NJ D?
Mr.. Forstall-No-
Dr.. Haywood-NOt being any OF these.
Go you consider that you are competent
70 pass on whether carbon monOxi6e, in
a certain quantity, Is or IS net poisonous2
NJ. ForstaI-I have not tried g pass
on that; have acknowledged that car
bon uonoxide IS poisonous.
DR.. Haywood know: but the relative
quantities OF water gas and coal gas;
you have said that one VIII produce death
ard one win not Have you ever car
ried cut any experiments 10 prove that?
4Ir- ForstaIl-I beg pardon. I did not
say that one would produce death and
one would not
Dr.. Haywood-In a certain length OF
time7
Dir. Forstell-Yes: 7 said that
DR.. Haywcod-Have you ever carried
on any experiments TO prove that2
Mr.. FOrstaIl-No.
Dr. Hsywcod-whe-e do you draw
your information from2
Mr.. ForstaIl-Fron the literature On
the subject
Dr.. HaywoOd-Teu ne some OF the lit
sratu7e.
Mr.. ForstaIl-This report Of the depart
mental committee OF the board CT trade I
has more in II than any other Publica- /
ion
Dr. Haywood-Is that OF 1882
Afr Forstsll-1Se
Dr.. Haywood-Tou mean the House OF !
Commons seasonal papers7
AIr. F0rstaIl-I do not know what they
all It: It IS given here as the report OF I
he departmental committee.
Dr. HsywoOd-Have you ever read that
through?
8Ir. ForstalI-Yes-
Dr. HaywOod-Do you know who the
committee are By whom It IS signed2
8Ir. Forstall-Yes; I gave their names
Dr.. Haywo0d-Was Sir William Ram
ay and Hal6ane two OF the men who
igned It?
Mr. ForstaIl-Thsy were.
3fr. Taylor-I might state that the
iames were read into his statement yes
erdsy.
Mr.. Sims-The doctor was not here and
id not know that
Dr.. Haywood-Do you remember that
hat committee recommended 20 Parlia-
lent that L per cent Of carbon monoxide
hould be a maximum in the gas?
AIr. Fo-stall-I DO not
Dr.. HaywOOd-What did item No. 3 say
1 re-srd to that2
Mr. FOTstall-Item No. II that is the
EN-
Dir. Taylor-I may state that thai was
Fad Into the record yesterday.
Mr. Forstall-I read that into the rec s
rd yesterday Item No says:
That power should be conferred upoo ?
central department to make reg1ia- 7
Ons. enforceable by adequate penalties.
hitting the proportion OF carbonic oxide I
the public gas supply at night to i2
sr cent or such greater amount as the Z
apartment may consider desirable"
Dr. EaywOod-That Is al 7 wanted 70 I c
now II you read that report very care G
lily. You quoted some figures there
bout the deaths in Chicago being four / .
&c sOme fraction when coal gas was
sed. AID three and some fraction when / !,
ater gas was used. cid you not7 q
Mr. FOrStall-YeS- .
Dr. HaywOod-Haye you not left out 8
great many figures II that report.
hich show exactly the opposite. that 4 r
9 deaths rise when you use water Eas?
Air- Forstall-No. I have not IN my
atement- I stated yesterday-ouoted G
IS table OF Dr.. Haidane. BIZ which Il
pretends to show that the deaths had v
creased greatly with the use OF car n
iretted water gas. and gave ny rea-
ns Why thought that table was not e
1Tth very much
Or. Haywood vas not here. an =,
~ much obliged 70 you for telling me =
at The other thing I wanted To ass- ?