Arizona republican., 1909-03-25

! brought up the day before. Regard | ing the Pittsburg- Cincinnati rate to
 Fl Paso and Phoenix. he said that the
 differential increases until it meets
 the effect of water competition. | He explained at length the reasons why Marysville San Jose and Los
 Angeles are regarded as tide water | points. Though that was gone over the day before MT. Stubbs explained
 one thing that had not been previous | ly explained and that was why San ] Pedro is not on tide water. He said
 that there was no water competition at that point, for it enjoys only a coastwise trade. Los Angeles is on tide water through san Diego, the | local rate between those points hay | ing been absorbed.
 The effect of water competition on Nogales was set forth There was
 not only its proximity to Guaymas but there was the Sonora road. whose i low rates are fixed and maintained | by the Mexican government
 The Silver Bell situation was also ! Illuminated. It had been complain ed that. though Silver Bell was sit
 uated at the end of a branch line. the Southern Pacific had made rate tu | 1t the same as the rate to Red Rock, the junction point. The rate, he said,
 was only on exceptional commodities and was temporary. It applied to
 mining machinery, iron, and pipe. This concession of a rate less than the added local had been made to facilitate the construction of the smelter at Sasco in the hope that the operation of the smelter would re-
 turn to the Southern Pacific a great CT tonnage.
 The rate to Clifton st the end of the independent New Mexico and Ari-
 zona line, MT. Stubbs said had been forced by the competition of the Fl Paso and Southwestern via Hachita. The rest of the afternoon was de-
 voted to q cross examination almost amounting to a grilling at the hands of Messrs. Costigan and Jones. Their questions related largely to transcOn-
 tinental rates which it was develop
 ed were out of the department of Mr.
 Stubbs. whose intimate familiarity
 with rates is confined to his jurisdic-
 tion over New Mexico, Arizona and
 the southern part of California. He
 was at sea as to the articles that could be transported by sea. MT. Jones asked him how about millinery and other such seaSonable goods. He
 was not sure and MT. DUrburrow said
 it was hardly fair as NIT. Stubbs had been married only three weeks. Spe- cial Examiner Lyons observed that he
 would know more about these things
 later.
 Mir. Stubbs become hopelessly in volved in the hide rate. concerning
 which he was questioned by the at
 torneys for the complairants and at great length by the spec al examiner. Regarding the sea competition be- tween New York and Galveston, Mr Costigan managed to bring out that the Southern Pacific owned a line of steamers. The attorney for the com plainants was going to let it go at that, but Mir Durburrov; intervened and brought out that there were sev- eral lines. the Mallory and others. to say nothing about flocks of tramp steamers.
 Tn the course of the elimination, letter was read by the commissioner from w. F. Herrin to the commission in regard to a controversy involving the Fl Paso and Southwestern and containing an interpretation of rates on the main line in Arizona. MT. Lyons said that the letter promised to eliminate one of the cases now on trial. Mir. Durburrow said that he himself had written the letter and that the matters therein were still pending an interpretation by the commission.
 The attorneys for the Southern Pa cific asked that MT. Stubbs might be excused, that General Freight Agent H. A. Jones. who desired to leave town last night, might take the stand. Beside he was more familiar with transcontinental matters than MT. Stubbs and would be able to throw light on subjects concerning which he had been puzzled. Col. Randolph was also wanting to leave last night, pre- ceded Mir Jones.
 The latter briefly went over the matter of terminal rates and threw great Geal of light O nthe subject which. from the beginning, had been rather obscure.
 A little before six o'clock an ad ournment was taken until half past nine this morning when the cross of Mir. Chambers will ake place. The hearing will close to- lay, and tomorrow morning MT. lyons will leave for Reno, Nev. .I