Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1909-01-30

THE EVENING STAI
facture of coal gas They turn that into
the water gas, really YOU make the
two. and 1t makes the product of mixed
gas cheaper on that account.
| Mr.. SIMS-Do you know enough about
conditions here to state which would be
the cheaper?
Mr. LOVE-No. sir.
Mr. SIMS-It is mere repetition, but
l want to see if l understood you cor
| recty this morning, that when there is
| percentage of carbon monoXtde exceed
| ing 20 or 30. that necessarily means there
| is no coal gas mixed with gas giving
| that percentage OF carbon monoxide?
A Small Mixture.
| Mr.. LONE-No considerable quantity
| of It, 1t is, of course possible to intro
duce a small amount.
! Mr. Substantially none?
| Mr.. LOVE-Practically none.
| Mr.. SIMS-So. when gas is found to
| have 20 per cent or more that means 1t
| has no coal gas mixed with it?
| Mr. LOVE-Practically yes, sir.
| Mr. SIMS-Mr. Chairman, l do not
know what questions you want to ask,
| but this is an investigation for informa-
| ton. 1t is not prosecution In any sense
! whatever, and We are having different
! Experts here and the agents of different
companies. and I would be glad that any
of them should feel free to ask any ques-
| ton that would give us any information
| on the subject.
| I admit that 1 know so little about it
that l do not know really how TO ask
questions so as to bring out the facts as
| they ought to be brought out.
| Mr.. TAYLOR-That is my opinion also.
| Is there any person interested who de-
| sires to ask any questions?
! Mr. SkINNER-In the report that you
! submitted to DR.. Remsen, When was that
| dated?
Mr. LOVE-That was embodied i'm the
report of John w Raymond. dated 1883.
Mr.. SkINNER-Are you acquainted
with what DR. Remsen says in his recent
work. Inorganic Chemistry about car
bon monoxide and water gas, book
published in 1908?
Mr.. LOVE- believe I have read it, but
1 do not recall it at the moment.
Another Remsen Statement.
Mr.. SkINNER-I am bringing this out
because you are apparently contradfcting
in that statement made in previous
testimony from Prof. Remsens recent
work, in which he says:
THE poisonous character of carbon
r1onoxide has led to a great deal of dis
cussion and to some legislation on the
subject of water gas. The question has
been repeatedly raised whether govern
ments should allow the manufacture of
the gas
That is a recent opinion of Prof. Rem
sen.
Mr.. LOVE-That is right; nobody ques-
tons for single moment the poisonous
character of carbonic oxide. There Is
not chemist. so far as | know, in the
wide world who would hold that carbon
monoxide was not poisonous gas 1t
is also equally true that several COM
! munities have raised this question. and
raised it quite recently, as to the advisa-
bility of allowing the manufacture and
distribution of carbureted water gas,
| simply on account of the carbonc oxide
| it contains. There is nothing contradic-
| tory in that.
Mr. MURPHY-You stated something
France. Is it used for lighting purposes
or for any purpose in Germany?
Mr.. LOVE-It is used for lighting pur-
| poses. They use it in London particu-
larly for bringing up the candlepower OF
their coal gas. They manufacture a
low quality coal gas in London.
Mr. MURPHY asked also about Ger
many-whether the use of this was per-
mitted in Germany?
Mr.. LOVE-It is used also there. and
| in Germany they go so far to dis
| tribute this blue gas. this uncarbureted
| water gas, which is not allowed in this
country at all, So far as l know. II
was tried once or twice. but the results
were SoIlltN hat ulSdStIOuS.
A Heavy Oil.
| Mr. MURPHY would like to ask as
| to the quality of Oil used in the manu-
facture of that. Is it the heavy residual
oils that are used?
| Mr.. LOVE-It is heavy Oil.
| Mr.. MURPHY-Is it a residue?
Mr.. LOVE-No; not at all. It has a
value gas oil.
Mr.. TAYLOR-Is it crude petroleum?
Mr.. LOVE-No; although in certain
processes crude petroleum can be used.
Mr.. S1MS-Are you come cted with any
gas company Or gas manufacturing es-
tabiShment?
| Mr.. LOVE-None whatever. sir. 1 have
| been gas examiner for New York for
something over thirty years.
Mr.. MURPHY-You make a daily in
spection of gas for candiepower?
| Mr.. LOVE-I Go not personally. We
have twenty gas supplies in New York
city, and l have twelve testing stations
| under my charge.
Mr.. MURPHY-Are they tested every
! day?
station, and he makes daily tests of the
| candlepOwer of the gas.
| Mr.. MERPHY-Do you make daily tests
of the British thermal units?
Mr.. LOVE-Not at all. That is not one
| of the requirements of the charter
Mr.. MURPHY-You have no such re-
| quirement in the charter, and no such
| regulation?
Mr.. LOVE-Nothing whatever regard
| ing the heating power of the gas.
| Mr.. MURPHY-Is the gas used for heat
| ing power?
Mr.. LOVE-Oh, yes; a good deal
| Mr.. MURPHY-Do you have separate
meters for heating and lighting?
| Mr.. LONE-No only one price.
| Mr.. SIMS-What is the amount of car
| bon monOxide in your New York gas?
Mixed Gas in New York.
| Mr.. LOVE-From recent analyses i,
varies from 10 to % per cent. The reason
il this: The percentage of carbon mon.
oxide is somewhat reduced from the fact
that we think in no gas supply on Man.
| haitian Island do we get either straight
coal gas or a straight water gas We
! get a mixture. That is within the prov
| ince of the Consolidated Gas Company
| There are two or three companies where
we get a straight-that is, / mean, a car.
bureted water gas In that case the car
| bon mOnoXide runs up to Is per cent.
| MIR. SIMS-1s there any law or regula
| ton prescribing the percentage of carbon
monoxide that may appear in gas?
| Mr.. LOVE-None whatever.
| Mr.. MURPHY-You have large oil re-
| fineries in New York, have you?
Mr.. LOVE-Oh, yes. there are some in
| that vicinity.
| Mr.. MISUNDERSTANDING to an OIL re-
| finery would be quite factor in the de-
! termination of whether water gas would
, be cheaper than coal gas, would it not?
! Mr.. I.OVE-That is commercial ques
ton. I suppose. of course, if you do moi
| have tranSnnrf oil far if does