The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1909-02-09
LONG DISCUSSION
ON PROHIBITION
House Committee on Judiciary
Hears Both Sides of Cues
ton at Spirited Session.
CHALLENGE BY COLBORN
JUDGE is WILLING TO MEET
ANYONE IN DEBATE.

JUDGE is WILLING TO MEET
ANYONE IN DEBATE.
Several somewhat exciting incidents
characterized the hearing on prohibit
ton before the judiciary committee Of
the house of representatives last night.
In his speech. Apostle HebsT J. Grant
said he had heard that Judge Colborn
was to challenge him to debate i'm the
theater or the Tabernacle. In turn
Judge Colborn accepted the gauntlet
thus thrown down. or, even better, he
said, he would bring Mayor Rose of
Milwaukee here to debate the question
with any one, If Apostle Grant would
secure permission to speak in the Tab
ernacle. The offer of the Tabernacle,
however was not forthcoming at the
time, and then Judge Colborn said he
was willing to go into any pulpit and
debate the affirmative side of the .ques-
ton. The judge put this as a chsl-
lenge, and the Rev. F. b. Short offered
his church. the First Methodist.
But at this point Representative Hol-
man of the committee got in and said
he thought it was childish on the part
of professional men TO indulge I'm chal-
lenges. He said further that he in
sisted that some who were present. evil
IDENTIFY as professional cheerers, should
be subdued
A Riser, I'm the audience. said ne was
not to be insulted. He warned the rep
resentative that he would get more
he were a representative. If he con-
tinued TO insult him. Riser said they
should not allow applause if they did
not want it"
Mr.. Short said he could not allow the
challenge to go unanswered.
Challenge Is withdrawn.
Judge Colborn said that in courtesy
to the house he would withdraw the
challenge to be renewed at any time.
Heber J. Grant also explained a cir
cumstance. He said the Mormon church
and the Methodist church we're not in
the fight as organizations. Then he
referred to what he called one of the
dirtiest. stinkingest, rottenest and most
contemplate editorials ever written in
a local paper" This referred 80 him,
being a director in the q. c. NJ. T., and
THE desire of the corporation to mo-
nopolize the whisky business"
He said he had only 800 worth of
stock in the concern, that the profits
from the drug store on whisky did not
amount to more than $4,000. and per-
haps he got a fourth of l per cent from
it.
Goshen Against Prohibition.
The Rev. Elmer I. Goshen was the
first speaker and he came out in oppo
sition to prohibition. He said he had
lived in two prohibition towns and he
never wished to live in another. He
had seen more drunkenness there than
he had ever seen anywhere in his life.
He believed prohibition law would
be reactionary: that it would be against
economies. If the state had the power
to prohibit il had the power to regu-
late. and If they can not regulate, how
in the name Of God are they to pro-
hibit?" he asked. He was for temper
snce. but not for statewide prohibit
ton.
Is Against Mysteries.
Judge Colborn pleaded for cool. calm
Judgment and against petitions of sem
tfTneDt and hysteria. The Judge had
fortified himself with kilograms from
prominent men I'm Kansas as to how
prohibition is operating in that state.
The following is from A. d. Goikeson.
formerly presiding judge of the court of
appeals at Hays. kas.:
The prohibition law of Kansas is
! fearful1y and wonderfully made. The
1ong-haired men and the sAoTt-haired
women have all the prohibition they
want. the remainder of the inhabitants
all the booze they want It is merely
a political dodge worked by all candi-
dates for office. from the governor down
/ to road overseer before election both
WAYS for and against, as the locality
demands, and forgotten the day after
election, No administration has ever
yet had the courage, if they had the IN
/ Clination. to enforce it except by talk.
D l. -Ae 20, or rr4azr
| Of sneaks and perjuTers. has brought
! the sanctity of the oath into disrepute,
and disrespect for other laws 1t Is
/ simply a plaything of the dema gogue;
/ has been productive of crime OF the
/ class that taps the vitals OF govern
ment, and does not correct the evil at
/ tempted to be ersdicated by it. 1t mas
made the state OF Kansas the dumping
/ ground of the vilest death dealing con-
coctions that can be produced. either in
/ the still or chemical works, and l ser
/ iouslv doubt that IL has reduced the
drink habit at all, 1t certainly has in
/ creased private drunkenness, and the
army Of hypocrites who howl God and
/ morality and drink i'm their homes, and
/ beyond doubt gives no protection to the
| rising generation On the contrary, II
/ is a detriment. 1t is fastening upon Us
I suitch lawyers who cannot make liv-
ing in the profession, but now, through
/ the state, bring actions in the name OF
good morals and RIGHTEOUSNESS for the
graft there is in it, enjoining expense
/ upon the counties and stirring Up
l strife
Kansas Editor Heard From.
The following came from Dr.. J: F.
/ Galley. editor of the Kansan at Pitts
burg. Kas-:
Five hundred empty residences and
| twenty vacant business houses and q
depleted treasury are monuments TO
prohibition we have in this state; blind
pigs and bootleggers in abundance.
George W. Peck. former governor OF
| Wisconsin, sent the following:
From my personal investigation OF
prohibition In Maine. Georgia, Dakota
! kansas and other states. l am satisfied
that prohibition does not prohibit; that
where have been there is more drunk
enness than where saloons are open
that perjury is encouraged hypocrisy
general. The law is constantly and
irresistibly violated; crime increases
Children are encouraged to laugh al
violation of the law. and that temper
ance Is not result OF prohibition
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