Bisbee daily review., 1909-03-21
KING Of THE
 RAIL TALKS
 ID REPORTERS
Hartman Gives Out Most
 Lengthy interview Secured in Years-RooSeveIt, Rail-
 roads and Mexico Discussed

LOS ANGELES. Calif. March 2e.- Before leaving. E. II. Hartman gave out all interview. IL is somewhat lengthy but interesting.
 Answering 9 question touching Up ou his future intention in railroad al- fairs, Mir. Hartman said:
 Health Failing
 "Physiciaus have warned me that must step out They say ] have done enough and that it is now time that ] Jvas turning over my work to others ] have been playing the game a good many years. l stayed iu for thc satisfaction l derived out of it. IThere was something fascinating about this planning aud CouQueriug 2 liked it. lt was great game.
 Speaking Of the former president and his use of the big stick on cor TOrations, Mir Hartman said:
 "Thc retired president was not to blame although ] believe that he probably wGit a little too far He was only trying to enforce law that had been put into effect long before bis time. The panic, however. ] be Iieve, would not have resulted had he not carried on his prosecutions with such @ vigorous hand.
 "I advised Mir Roosevelt against the passage of the Hepburn act and the amendment to the Sherman anti trust act. ! also advised him that railroads should be regulated. ! have always favored railroad regulation to 8 certain extent. There are letters or record today in Washington which wrote to. Mir. Roosevelt and MT Taft iu 1905 in which ! expressed myself as IayOTinE railroad regulation. mention this. and ] will read the let ter which ] wrote Nr. Taft to show that J an not taking a stand today which was different than the stand have always taken.
 Never Wanted Rebates. "TEc transportation lines never wanted to receive rebates. and it was only because Of existing conditions . that it was made necessary. The peO. Iie do not seem Go understand ug z Perhaps WC aavU not talked enough Politicians, for purgOzas aud reasons { better known to themselves. have ! uEed the railroads to make cam ! paigu material The railroads have 1 been great empire builders and not the ! naIei3ctors that the public hes been | led to believe they are. It seems tC 1 bC ali a matter Of inability to under stand. We have opened up great un settled regions, and done more thar any other institution toward the up buildiug Of the country.
 "Our methods have been to elimi nate the expense Of fighting and de ! vote the money to development. Rail
 road rates are more stable now thaI . ever before. Capital should be de
 voted to development instead o waste, and this is possible only whel competition is eliminated
 'It seems that eevFybody has beel
 trying to see just how much the. could get out of us. If anybody ha , a kick coming from any source the , try to. hold the railroads responsible.
 Air. Hartman was calm all throug
 tiis portion Of his discussion, an bdid not talk Ike one harboring an
 iil feeling aeainst those whom he bs ? iieyed had opposed him in his eu1rt ! 70 become master Of the railroads o the American continent. or who ha attcnirted co retard him ia Inc huii, i ilg of new systems.
 ], MF. Hartman greeted tho reporter at his ccttage at the Raymond hote by declaring that oil, water and Cal f fornia were all right He spoke wit , amusement and his eyes sparfled a z he invited his intefrogators to 2 seated. He began:
 Now, Mexico. ] believe. is what
 am expected to talk about Vel s Mexico is a great empire. ! shoui l. say that. after the Ir pcriai valie. I certain portions or Mexico have pro l. uocts Uncquaied by any osher regio 1. in the world.
 eve find the Mexican gOvernmeI 1 much fairer to deal with than og F home government went down thei
 in 1901 and reached an agreement vi