Arizona republican., 1909-10-20
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 instances he had met water users who thought they should be given forty years in which to make payment. The secretary said that any possible ex- tension would be matter of legisla tion, as under the law it would be necessary for him to require the pay ment in ten years. He did intimate, however, that it was within his exc cutive authority to retard rather than hasten the time when the making of payments should begin and that he did not want tc do that until the project was far enough advanced to make it probable that obligations could be promptly met. He said in the same connection that he realized there might be individual cases where a farmer had suffered from floods. fire or some other disaster, iE which the association or the government through it might make exceptions for the time being as, for instance. if a farmer could not meet his payment in one particular year he might be allowed to go over and make a double pay ment the next year, but that under the law the ten payments would have to be made in the ten years. These sug gestions were merely details that might be worked out when the time comes. He did not believe it advis- able to make the payments smaller and the time more extended for two reasons. First by sticking close to the law better class of settlers would be secured. Men would not undertake farming under the project until they had assured themselves they could meet the payments. and then there would be the necessity to do so as an is that by a change of plan the law would be defeated in its purpose to establish a revolving fund that couIa be utilized every ten years for added new work of reclamation.
 There were suggestions on the part of some that while the new lands not yet producing might find difficulty in making the payments. the older lands could easily do so. testimony to that effect being offered by farmers pres ent.
 The secretary next asked for the views of the association on the size of the farm unit. which Is fixed at hot to exceed 160 acres. but might be made smaller. There seemed to be general agreement that 160 acres is small enough and the secretary was seemingly of the same mind. He be- lieved that if a man found l60 was too much to farm to advantage he would dispose of it of his own accord and proper size of the farm unit under 160 acres would automatically adjust itself. He 'issvery much of a western man and believes in giving the settler a chance in this respect. The unit should be larger than necessary at first rather than too small for the first condition could be more easily rectified if necessary.
 The question of school lands was brought up by the secretary and Judge Kibbey explained the conditions as different here from unsettled local ities where the school land is still vacant. Here much of it is already farmed and in possession of water rights of one kind or another He mentioned also the clause in the pro posed statehood bill which is designed to place the disposition of the school lands with the legislature and it was expected that question would eventu- ally right itself
 ~ At 30 the secretary. J. F. Cleave land. Howard Reed. Roy Goodrich and L. C. Hill. in the latter's car. and Mir Carr. C. T. Hirst, F. C. Dezendorf. C. A. Van der Veer and Louis Hirst, in the Hirst car. left for the capitol building. where calls were made on the surveyor general. Acting Governor Young and Mrs. Young and Assistant Secretary R. A. Kirk. Secretary Ballinger was presented with a box of dates grown on the capitol grounds.
 Returning to the city. the party travelled out Grand avenue to the Grand canal and thence up that ditch. inspecting the various concrete and cement bridges. heads. etc. to Center street and then to the Indian school. where it was met by Superintendent Goodman. Several hundred pupils stood in line while the secretary walked past and inspected. them while the band played. after which they were assembled in front of the girls dormitory and he made them a nice little talk. He was taken through the dining room, dormitories and other buildings of the plant. and expressed himself as gratified at the general ap- pearance of the institution.
 Passing on to the Cave Creek road. the party turned north for a mile and thence que east beyond the Crosscut canal to Ingleside. by a number of orange orchards and back to the city via the Mcdowell road.
 It was then o'clock and the hour before dinner was devoted to a call on Receiver c. F. Arnold and Register F. H. Parker at the land office
 At Mesa City
 There will be seven besides the chauffeurs in the two automobiles that will take the party to Roosevelt and back today, as follows: Secretary Ballinger, L. c. Hill, Don C. Carr. B. A. Fowler. A. J. Chandler, J. F. Cleave- land and Dwight B. Heard. They reached Mesa on the evening train last night and found awaiting them a large gathering of farmers and land owners and citizens of that vicinity, assembled in Dr. Chandlers office Secretary Ballinger gave them an interesting talk on the reclamation service in gen. . l.e.