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Cohen Would Refuse.

| understand that this resignation
was written prior to the charges init
| mated against him and Others sine
and without his knowledge that sue
| charges were pending,'' said Cohen
In justice to Mr.. Lloyd, I do not be
lieye we should accept this resignation
| at this time. AS an offer of this Hous
he is entitled TO square deal, and
| believe that every one of US desires t.
| give everyone square deal I NOV,
| that we do not accept this resignation
until after the investigating committe.
! goes into such charges as have beer
made and proves the truth or. falsit,
| of them
Sheldon Had No knowledge.
GO do not know that any charge.
! have been made against Mr.. Lloyd. J.
said Sheldon. "We have no knowledge
of such. His resignation is in and the
chair has accepted the resignation
which he has the right to do. I move
that we confirm the action of the
Speaker"
Resolution Was Proper.
Alfonso declined to withdraw the
resolution mentioned in Lloyd's resig-
nation, dealing with the question of
paying the stenographer for typewrit-
ing the minutes.
81 believed that was proper reso-
luton and I still believe it is proper
resolution. I decline to withdraw it. -
Cohen Says Outrage.
Cohen resumed his speech after Shell
don had sat down. "Are we in this
House to have star chamber proceed
ings and secret sessions of this cabinet,
or whatever you call it?'' he asked.
FThere are charges that have been
made against Mr.. Llyod. / have heard
of them and every member in the House
has heard of them more or less Are
we to allow this business to go on of
charges eoncocted against this man and
not allow him an opportunity of de-
Tending himself? It is an outrage and
a shame. l want to have these charges
gone into. / want to know about the
charges, who is making them and what
truth there is in them
Correa asked Cohen if there had ever
been any charges made against Lloyd
in the House.
II have heard the charges made, -
answered Cohen.
Here, in this House9''
Yes, here in this House,
Chair Knows Not Officially.
$50 far as the Chair is concerned, -
said the Speaker, it is not aware of
any charges being made in the House
against Mr.. Lloyd.n
81 do not think it is any business of
the public what Investigations we are
to make into this matter,'' said Shell
don, who evidently is as Supremacy un-
concerned about what the public may
think as he processes TO be over what
think it is any of the business of the
public to have us settle this matter on
the floor of the House. How can I go
back to my constituents and explain
that we have been wasting time wran-
Cling about troubles with our stenogra-
pher? If there have been any charges
made, Mr.. Speaker, they have been
made more against the chairman of the
Accounts Committee than anyone else,
he and the Speaker of this House,
Kaleiopu Emphatic.
81 am sorry that we are wasting so
much valuable time over this matter, -
said Kaleiopu regretfully, and then pro-
ceeded to add to the waste. "Now
that charges have been made against
all the members of this House, direct
charges, | am sorry that the Speaker
has accepted this resignation, because
| want to see the stenographer, as well
as every other officer and member of
this House, go before an investiga ting
committee. The charges are very Sc
rious, and | am sorry that some of the
members have made themselves so mo-
torious as to go and publish in the
papers charges like this on mere hear
say.
II want to see every member in this
House investigated, yelled Kaleiopu,
getting more and more excited. ~
want them all investigated, clerks and
all. The committees are allowed to EN-
ploy only permanent clerks, but / see
that some committees are employing
unauthorized clerks. | am preparing a
resolution, Mr.. Speaker, taking in
everybody, from the Speaker down. ]
can show that there are committees
employing clerks that they have nc
right to pay and are paying them, and
if that isn't graft, Mr.. Speaker, |
would like to know what is.
Cohen Speaks Again.
Shingle then seconded the motion to
accept the resignation of Lloyd, and
Castro made an explanation that he had
| never asked nor advised Lloyd to re-
sign. Cohen then spoke again.
"Mr. Lloyd has heard since he pre-
sented his resignation, and | have
heard and every other member of this
House has heard that charges are now
made against him. | think, and every
other fair-minded man in this House
should think, that he ought to be heard
that he ought to be given square
deal.'
Shingle Not Unjust
In seconding the motion to accept
the resignation [ do not think that l
am in any way unjust to Mr.. Lloyd, y
said Single in explanation, '.but l do
it to remove a cause of trouble from
this House. 1t is almost too ridiculous
to believe that thirty elected Represen-
tatives can stay here and quarrel for
an hour over the acceptance of a ste
| nographer s resignation when that resig-
nation is in. l second this motion to
| remove what has been block in the