Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1909-08-03
STORY o. |iHAN'S
|. L| / AT ASYLUM.
Patient Allowed to Stay Up Until
9 O'clock UntiHHis First Sanity
Hearing at Poughkeepsie.
GOT UP AIT SIX IN MORNING.
After Hearing Was Sent TO Bed An
Hour Earlier Because He Violated
Rulcs Against Smoking.

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4 White Plains, N. Y, Aug. s.--4This
wa alienist day again at. the Thaw
nearing. pr. Amos y. Baker, of the
Matteawan State hospital, whose tes-
tlm 11t'lly occupied the yesterday after.
1 noon session, was recalled.
Ihaw brought into court today a
bundle of 20 or more letters that
came ar in the morning mail and gglanc-
ed through them while waiting for
| the session to begin. He seemed par
ticularly interested in one that was
written in bright red ink.
Before court opened he shook hands
with Henry G.. Harvey OF New York
City, when Mr. Harvey stepped up
Sto tell him that he was ono Of the
jurors at n the first trial who voted
for acquittal
8"Youll win" Mr.. Harvey told him,
and Thaw smiled and look pleased
Although the impression left b.. Dr..
Bakers testimony yesterday was that
ne had asserted that Thaw showed
no signs of paranoia during his first.
three months at Matteawan, under
| AsLi Nlpi 4CEUSS1 examination
today he declared he could not re-
member ever having made such a
statement He admitted he might
have said it.
LIFE AT THE ASYLUM
The story OF Thaw's life at the.
asylum continued. The witness said
the patient was allowed to stay up
until . p. m. until his first sanity
hearing at Poughkeepsie. After his
return he was forced to go to his
room and put ont the lights an hour
earlier. He arose about G a. m.
Mr.. 5N1orschauserg went after the witt
ness. aided BY Il memorandum pre-
pared with tho assistance of his client
last night. did you ever@Stell Mr..
Thaw, he asked, that there was
nothing the matter with his brain?"t
IN o, SIR "a n 557s
did you ever say to him that you
did not believe in souls??"
Fl 3cannot Der.
DR.. Baker said the patient had been
sent ito bed an hour earlier because
| he had persistcntly violated the rules
| .agaillst smoking in the yisf tor s room.
MIR. Morschanser tried to show that
the witness had testified only to snchs
statements and acts of Thaw as might
point to insanity. ,i3 3!!Js
The witness admitted having said at,
the Poughkeepsie sanity hearing that
in Thaw's case. the diagnosis of maniac
Oppressive Insanity had never been Ses-g
tablished. Or that occasion he was
asked whether or not he would certify
Thaw as insane from his personal obs
servation aside from the, Stamford
White episode. His reply, which he
repeated today, was that on several oc-t
8casions Thaw had shown bad judg-
ment." He then admitted that under
such circumstances he might hesitate
about committing the prisoner to an
asylum. III 81 i5i
CONFERRED WITH CLIENT.
During this part of the examination
Mr., Morschauser conferred with his
client before almost every question
volunteered advice. At least three
quarters of the statements attributed
to the witness by Thaw We're denied
by the former when the cross eXamina-
ton was had. Mr.. Morschauser was
constantly baffed by such answers as
81 don't know IT cannot remember =
IT cannot recollect just what was said -
DR.. Baker told Mr.. jerome that when
he expressed his opinion regarding
Z Thaw,s freedom from paranoia. he had
not had a clinical record of the case
He explained that taking clothes from
paranoiac patients at night was a gem
eral rule to prevent them injuring
themselves.
The witness said he had seen no
change in Thaw's mental condition
since Judge Morschauser,s decision at
Poughkeepsie. declaring him insane.
BAKER THINKS THAW INSANE
Justice Isaac N. Mills again stepped
in as examiner at today's session of the
Thaw sanity hearing and from DIR.
Amos L. Baker, acting superintendent
OF the Matteawan asylum, obtained the
cearest statement yet expressed re-
s result Of Ills auestionipg might .i be
claimed as an advantage by either side.
The witness said he did not consider the
opportunities he had to examine the
prisoner sufficient to permit him TO
form a satisfactory conclusion: never
thaless. he declared. his belief that the
prisoner was now insane and that his
release would be a menace to public
safety.