New-York tribune., 1909-04-24
WOMEN AND SUBWAY
HEARING BEFORE p. S. c.
Representatires.of UOmen Soclet1cs
Argue on Separate Cars.

7, .,-ea-s that votes Tor women can he'P
=, ANYTHING nowadays. When John +. huslls'
,-- :, vr-irrro,- and William NcCarrol, of the
1,,r1i Service Commission. took their seats al 0"0'
o'clock yesterday afternoon and prepared l" - -,
n arguments the question OF separate SUI
- Cor women they found before them not only
> large contingeIG from the Woman 5 -dIDi0-,o
1..gra armed To fight for the separate cars ouI
,,anresentatives Of the Equality League OF sen
Supporting Women. which doesn't want any speCl@ spec
privileges but merely that little thing the Da'iO'
Mrs Harriet Stanton Blatch couldn't rs present
hut she sent Mrs. 5. Francis Herzog' vice
Of tbe Fsvalty League, 10 argue against the sepa-
rate car plan
The Interborough was represented oE l's nc
sger Frank lIedley. who appeared TO get d sooo
deal Of sardonic amusement out OF the proceeohss
ana F,v theodore /. Waugh counsel for the com
rauv Women from both leagues crowded. lne Iooil'
on the third floor of the Tribune buliolhs' Ioiis
before The hearing began. The ayes sat on one
s;4e and the noes on the other. When the conf
5niss;onerS had taken their seats Leonard L. Op-
6,cL. zvbo has supplanted Mrs. Gabrielle Stewart
Mulliner as counsel for the WoInans Munlcipal
League in this fight. arose with smear OF papers
IN his arms and talked about The dtsgracefu con-
si-io,,s on the Interborough until Mr.. Hedley got
quite red.
The Interbo-olgh's younger and smaller sister
has given women separate cars, said MI opdHcAe
.,o5-t,rnng 10 the Interborough's representatives
ought TO have done il long ago. certainly ought
IN nov that the plan has proved d success IN the
Hudson tunnel .,,,
Mrs Frederick ". Longfellow. wearing stylisn
hz- with red roses took the stand ana tolo OF 'Is
efforts she had made 10 open Mr. hediey eSeS So, -
+be advantages Of separate cars for women enc
testified that uben she had send her three CHI
dren. aged four five and six. anywhere on the suo-
u-av in the rush hours she had TO send along
nurse for each child see that they dldn l get
crushed. ,
street testified that women Individually weaker
than men and less able 10 stand the 5ostlng OF tle
subway. -.
we don't need to go in 10 that interrupted Conn
mission Eustis i think wa all know that women
arr more dcl5catelz- constructed than men
L thought the Commissioner would feel So said
Nj Opdycke bowling.
Miss Eleanor Demng Mrs Marks and Deaconess
Young Of ST Georges Protestant Episcopal Church'
,ool the stand in turn and gave their impressions
Of the subway in the rush hours. Miss Demng said
the indiscrainae crcwding together Of men. women
and children dreadful and she almost never
got seat" Mrs. Marks said her impressions were
the same only she never got a seat
= said Deaconess Young, am here to speak
for hundreds 90 young working girls who can't
speak for themselves. They have 10 use the sub
way in the rush hours and I know. from instances
have and instances they have told me. or
behavior by men ia those intoIerably crowded cars
which the men in this room would never tolerate
If their Own wives and daughters were In question
At Sfr Opdycke's request Deaconess Young told
Of two instances in which she had intervened TO
protect girls from insults
a young AMI inexperienced girl has no defence
50 placed" said. There she IS, wedged in;
she can't leave the tilI the stops.
A. 7. Munger, general superintendent Of the Nc
Adoo tunnel told how the separate car plan had
worked en- that line. Mr.. Opdycke inquired anx-
iously il any had attempted to enter the la
dies car
Two" said Mr Munger. "One refused TO leave
his-sster. and there who just pre-
ftrred stand up il the ladies' car.
Was your separate plan advertised IN the
newspapers asked Mr.. Opdycke
NO paid Advertising said Nj Munger, point
edly.
Then said Mr.. Opdycke, with triumph 1t
you nothing a. all 70 put on separate cars
FOR women. except for the printing OF the posters
you put up in the stations"
That's ALL said Mr.. Munger He added that
the separate for women had caused delay
IN the starting Of trains, and undue crowding
IN The other
is it q success demanded Commissioner Eustis.
We are glad we tried it." said Mr.. Munger,
Euardedly.
We wish TO follow it little longer, the witness
answered
=. l. Turner. inspector for the Public Service
Commission. testified that the in the Nc
Adoo tunnels weren't generally crowded the
other Meanwhile the 'antis' were getting
dreadfully anxious and Mrs. Herzog kept sending
up appealing little notes, wanting TO know when
she TO get chance When she got it she left
IN doubt 5 the stand of the Equality
I.eague-''seventeen thousand working girls. whom
represent she said.
We oppose separate for women. first be-
cause one would never suffice TO carry all the
women and children one train. II would be
rank discrimination. Besides, the vomans
would be the end Of eiEht-car train, and
that's too long 4 walk stations.
Z have ridden in the rush hours and I have
never been crowded and pushed and abused by
men. on the contrary, I've been treated with this
greatest courtesy and more than once men have
protected from the jostling OF women.
Then. you know. women can't keep their bal
at the nearest thing and stay near the door. and
Blocked. Furthermore. Mr.. Commissioner. II you
want 10 stop immortality in New York. you must
eegregate the sexes everywhere, not simply tbs
subway
Mr. Hedley. called TO the stand. crossed his legs
easily and proceeded deliver g body blow to
Mr.. Munger.
Mr.. Munger" he said. has stated that the
plan gave trouble in the Hudson tunnel. As
matter OF fact. think the figures would show
tnst all the people who rice the McAdoo trains
could travel in one Of cars and find seats
there
With q cold gieam IN his eye, Mr.. Hedley looked
straight at Mr.. Opdycke and said that the Inter
borough wouldn't put the for
unless ordered by the commission
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