Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1909-08-04
READY FOR REBUTTAL
To Prove Alleged Decisions Had
Basis in Fact.
ill DR.. MACDONALD TEsTIFIEs
Declares Prisoner Is a Paranoiac Of
Degenerate Type, and Can
not Be Cured.

W III b-NlA>Ss August -
Yesterday was the best day I have had
yet said Harry *. Thaw today, while
waiting for the continuance of the hear
ing on his application for discharge from
the State Hospital for the Criminal In
sane.
Last night Thaw spent several hours
with his counsel, Charles Morschauser.
preparing for his rebuttal evidence, that
will follow the testimony of the state
alenists today.
Thaw's attorney. it became known to-
day. is getting ready to prove that his
clients alleged decisions regarding Stan
ford Whites treatment of young girls are
well founded. He prepared the way for
this when he had Thaw identify the afi-
davit of Ida G. Dickhart.
This document has not yet been offered
in evidence. Around it Mr.. Morschauser,
1t Is supposed, will build up the remainder
of his case after he finishes cross-ex-
aiming the opposition experts.
DR.. Flint Under Fire.
He continued his questioning of experts
this morning, with DIR. Austin Flint on the
stand as the first witness. DR.. Flint yes
terday asserted that Thaw was a para
noiac and incurab BILE.
Mr. Morschauser examined the witness
regarding the sanity proceedings of Mrs.
Penelope Osborn, in which he appeared as
an expert in May. 1907. Thaw's lawyer
asserts that Dr. Flint's testimony resulted
in this woman's discharge from restraint,
although he classed her as paranoiac.
The listeners began to wonder what
Morschausers purpose was when he be-
gan to talk about alum in baking powder.
This was explained when he held up a
can of baking powder. with the witness
signed Endorsement printed on the LABEL
and said it contained alum.
DIR. Flint said he knew of the existence
of this exhibit.
Explains Baking Powder Testimonial
Jerome enabled him to explain that he
was employed in 1900 by baking pow
der company to investigate the effects of
alum in baking powder.
Il did not authorize my Endorsement.
he declared. Il threatened to bring legal
action if it were used"
Dr. Flint told Jerome that Mrs. Os-
born's delusion was that a club existed
for the purpose of killing all persons
whose names ended with ley" and that
the murderer of President Mckinley was
member. She told him. however, dur
ing her examination that she was not sure
she was right.
Her condition. he insisted. was quite Diff
ferent from Thaw's.
Did you testify either before the sani-
ty commission or Judge Morschauser.
said Mr. Morschauser. that Thaw In
the progress of his alleged exaggerated
ego had reached the state Of gran
deur? -
Macdonald on Stand.
Il probably did, replied DR.. Flint.
Jerome then called the last of his ex-
perts. DR.. Carlos F. Macdonald, president
of the New York state commission in
lunacy.
Jerome read passages regarding para
noa from several medical authorities,
these having seeming Applicant to
Thaw. The witness expressed his agree
ment.
To illustrate the danger of releasing a
paranoiac who concealed his decisions
and had apparently recovered. DIR. Mac
Donald told Of the case of man of AL
bany, \. Y. that came under his OBJ
servaton. This man had a delusion that
his sister was performing certain i'm
proper acts. After trying to kill her he
was confined at the Auburn asylum. He
stayed there six months. and. having de-
clared that his decisions had vanished,
was discharged.
He immediately returned to Albany and
killed his sister. This man is now in
the state asylum at Utica.
"Paranoia of Degenerate Type"
DIR. Macdonald concluded by declaring
that Thaw now suffered from ..paranoia
of the degenerate type" BY "degener-
ate he explained, was meant a person
who has never attained the normal type
He pronounced Thaw incurable
The witness said that the regularly OF
life at MatteaWan might improve Thaw's
condition. although II could not effect a
cure. On the other hand. he said, the
continuance of such life as the evil
dence indicated Thaw's to have been
would lend to rouse into activity the de-
lusions which have been partially yelled
He dwelt upon the liability of the re-
currence of outbreaks like that which re-
suited In the death of Stanford White
He characterized Thaw's manner on the
witness stand at the present hearing as
frivolous. showing no proper appreci-
alton Of the importance of the proceed
ings or of his own position.