The times and democrat. [volume] (Orangeburg, S.C.) 1881-current, 1909-09-25
A TALE OF GRAFT
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Q. What brought that chanse
over your mind? A. could not tell
you, sir.
@. Didn't you have as much sense
in 1906 as you have now? A. l
wish / had had, sir.
= @. Could you tell then between
right and wrong as much as now?
A. No, sir.
@. What light has been brought
to bear on you? A. could not tell
you.
@. You were in full possession of
all of your faculties in 1905? A.
Yes, sir.
@. And you are today? A. Yes,
sir.
@. Did you join the church in
1906? A. No, sir.
@. Have you Joined since? A.
No, sir.
@. Are you member of the
church now? A. No, sir.
@. So no spiritual change brought
it about? A. told you that had
not joined the church. 1t Is not
necessary to bring this church in.
but if your want it will bring it
in. l had been a member of the
church and had been turned out.
@. And you think having been
turned out of the church you might
as we'll steal? A. You may put it
any way you please.
@. Anyway you did it? A. Yes,
sir, and I am sorry for it.
@. Well, now, have you returned
all of the i'll got gains that you re-
ceived? Have you returned to Mr..
Farnum the SLIPS? Have you made
restitution to anybody? A. What do
you mean?
Wants to Reform.
@. Have you said to them, Gentle
men, received this money improper
ly; I received it dishonesty. l am
not entitled to it; here is your money.
take it back" A. I think he got
value received.
@. And you got value received
for selling yourself? A. Yes, sir,
1 got a good deal out of it.
@. Did yo'' turn this money over
to the State? A. No, sir
@. How much did you make out
of the whole business, Mr.. Wiley?
A. could not tell you without re-
ferring to some papers, sir.
@. Give us an estimate. Have not
you said that you made $4,000 and
odd dollars. A. Twenty-eight thou
sand and something.
@. And you have got something
still coming to you? A. Yes, sir. I
did not get all that is due me.
G. And you would like to get hold
of that? A. No, sir. 1t would not
do me any good. What l got didn't
do me any good.
@. Well. you built house with
some of it? A. Yes. sir.
@. And are living in that house?
A. Yes, sir.
@. Well, tell me if you can, and
tell this jury. I want to know what
pressure can be brought to bear up
on man who holds a commission
under the great seal Of the State Of
South Carolina, who has taken a
solemn oath to discharge his duty
faithfully and truly to the State and
yet at the very first meeting of the
board makes up his mind to violate
that oath and go into the business
of cheating and defrauding? What
influence was brought to bear? A.
I do not know, sir.
@. What influence did SamueIs
have to bring about that change A.
! do not know that he had any more
than anybody else.
@. Don't you know that Samuels
came down here and went back and
said, "Joe, they had me in the sweat
box and you had better make a clean
breast Of it. They pulled papers on
me? A. No. sir; they did not tell
me ANYTHING like that.
@. Didn't he tell you that you had
better come across? A. Ny attorney
did.
@. Who was that attorney that told
you SO? A. Mr.. Hemphil told me.
G. Wasn't Mr.. HemphiIl also rep
resenting Mr.. Samuels? A. I think
so.
@. Hadn't he been to Columbia
with Mr.. Samuels? A. I could not
tell you.
@. Hadn't he been in the attorney
generals office? A. I could not tell
you.
@. You mean you had no confer
ence with Mr.. Samuels before you
had a talk with Mr.. Hemphill? A.
No. sir
@. None whatever? A. We had
talks in way.
@. What was your idea in going to
Mr.. Hemphill? A. I went to Mr..
Hemphill and employed him and told
him, ''I want you to 60 to Colum-
bia before this commission, or who
ever had the authority there. and I
would do anything he said I want
ed to get out of this mess and wash
my hands of it.
@. Prior to that hadn't Samuels
told YOU what he had done? a. No.
sir; had not
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