New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1909-08-05
SHADING THE THAW EGO
,rsS0N TESTIFIES ON
cusNGES IN COUNSEL.
He Caused Them-Jerone Has
roJIer Whose Insane feus
Jrterrupt the Hearing.


Hasa = g doomed 10 go back TO Matteawan
L.,bsr he has succeeded in convincing JUS
OF W. 80 \ Mills that he is sane enough to be
tice -. large. District Attorney Jerome com
fHo"' "a. case Yesterday with the examination
peeo -a-,os = Macdonald the last Of the states
OF IN o ],,or,s+s Justice Mills declared al the
tniee -. 6s, that he would insist on all the
enu y LING presented this week. and he will
LA session of court on Saturday IL
e'e" % effect that purpose. although he
--onred 10 depart on his vacation to-rnor-
row night. r.. lie. ,r,ores,inp on
-..,ess stand 10 the elite Of White Plains
-. the chief figure in the proceedings Ihat
- she rain are the reasons perhaps why 'here
~ sever women about yesterday when Pletro
Canorale set up his yen
p,s,ro hadn't gone TO court early yesterday
-,,,g like the White Plains folk. at least not
~, enough 10 avoid the rush, and so he could
=. cot in when he demanded TO see Dlstrlct
...or,sv Jerome lie waited on the job how
..- during the morning session. ana saw MI
,..o,,e AZ recess. But he would not take MI
T..oros's assertion that he was the person ne
1oOlinr for. He went back al the afternoon
ss.s,on. and after having vigorous tussie with
- curt officials. was taken yelling away from
.he door OF the courtroom.
WELLS INTERRUPT HEARING.
IA, cries were so lusty that the proceedings
- ,srnporarily suspended at the request OF
~, Jerome. The man was hustled 10 the JAIL
nhsre he produced a letter, dated March, 1900
.ssins for the release Of his daughters Giusep-
r,,o and Amala. from the New York Juvenile
ASYLUM. Upon his promise 70 be good and go
20, he was allowed TO depart, and a deputy
- mas sent 10 see him on his way 10 the
,rsin 20 New York.
This slight break in the probing Of aiienists
sisnt affect Thaw perceptibly. In fact, Thaw
s.s,,es in especially good spirits when he en-
tered the courtroom yesterday morning and ex-
r-essed himself as pleased with what he termed
,be good effect Of the testimony brought OUT on
Tuesday.
tsvs an effect in helping 10 show that those
~, ssv Thaw is not sane are not 10 be credited
A can Of baking powder was trained on Dr.
lrs,sn Flint al yesterday mornings session by
r-bsu-s lawyer Dr. Flint has said that Thaw
a his opinion is a sufferer from true paranoia,
81 Mr. Morschauser tried 20 make the powder
,ssve its mark on the doctors veracity. because
ne had once certified that the use OF alum IN
t,t,ne nowder was healthfuL DR.. Flint was
M, dislodged from his position. however. and
declared in the face OF the powder that he be-
v.rsa n WAS healthful, as he had once before
,ssised though in Missouri the law at the time
didn't think so.
u,rnoNALp CALLS THAw PARANOIAC.
This smokeless skirmish over. DR.. Macdonald
,ook the stand and said he believed that Thaw
Vas a sufferer from degenerate form Of par
s,ois an incursble form of insanity. man
VINO had committed homicide might be likely 10
ooitsssin If permitted 10 go at large. Thaw,
fa MAJ 10
freedom During the present proceedings. Or.
Macdonald said he had made a close study Of
Thsw, and he wss fully convinced he was in
sane Asked FOR his reasons for so believing. he
said:
"on the witness stand Thaw could not explain
satisfactorily many Of his strange notes There
retardstion Of ideas and notable evil
dsnoe Of sef-satsfaction and fippancy- His
conduct and speech indicated 20 my mind that
he has no rational appreciation ~ his condition
and Circumstances He does not regard these
proceedings with the seriousness a sane man
would show. He is gratihed in a morbid way
over being the central figure in these proceed
ings"
The alenist declared that Thaw's sentences on
the stand were incoherent and often disjointed.
and at times he had appeared TO be confused.
he couldn't specify instances offhand when
pressed by Mr.. Morschauser.
isn't il fact" said Mr. Morschsuser. that
incohersncy is not characteristic Of paranoia?"
Mr. Morschauser insisted direct categori-
ca answer, which Or. Macdonald declined TO
give i might answer II Yes and No." he
SAD in some cases paranoiacs are incoherent.
IN others not"
ABOUT DELUSIONS
DR. Macdonald admitted that If a man sup
posed TO be paranoac could he reasoned out OF
me oelusions II would be an indication that he
vas NOT paranoiac. But he said some Of the
u'hgs Thaw declared to be true he knew were
NOT true. and others were so inprohable that he
regarded them delusions To Mr. Morschauser's
question ne said that if Thaw's idea that Stan
-"o White and his companions had a house
On they maintained for the purpose Of ruin
sOuhg girls proved 10 be founded on fact II
.Ouo NOT be delusion on Thaw's part If it
SHOWN IN be matter Of fact also that
monk Eastman gang had been hired 10 do
,N INJURY the senist said. Thaw could not
'o 70 be suffering from a deIusion
,neh Ir Macdonald left the stand Mr.
plaoed IN evidence two letters Of Thaw
cousin, Dennison Lyon. in Pittsburg
o. were written before the first trial. One
'neFn read as follows:
lnportsn, Saturday. November 2. 1875
sDeary Dem: ' -'i'' - aho MT. .
,S S.Asr has written Cousin Frank n send -.
BAY s nohoay, as will have il Tuesday. Election
sriis T Tss asked him to ask you for IT, as am to
% M DsIroa me one checque for $1,000 made out
.e Ri GA ma, nnhals not necessary. And one
tseo fog 10 90 J. y Gleason. and enclose note for
Ties. y ssi1 10 be watching our bank send
ttuepf 'N-iie'aQes 10 some other bank az con
Mr. Delross.' az u Is important present 10 keen
Mr. "A '''ifI we refer 70 him always
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