New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1909-12-01
DETAILS OF DEBATE.
Notable Speeches Close no
mentOus Struggle.

London. Nov. 3o-In the sedate. de-
tached manner characteristic OF the pro-
ceedinGs in the Silded chamber. and In
direct disregard of the advice OF some OF
its ablest and oldest members. such as
Lords Rosebery. Morley. James OF Here
ford; Cromer. BalfOur OF BurIeigh: Lyt-
ton. Courtney and the Archbishops or
Canterbury and York. the House Of Lords
created to-day a situation unprecedented
In English history for at least three hun
dred years by refusing formal assent 70
the budget bill and referring Il to the
country Itself for judgment. thereby. in
theory. making it Illegal TO collect taxes
and carry on the Kings government
After six days debate. notable for the
high standard OF the oratOry. as we'll as
for the able and convincing arguments ar
rayed on both sides for and against the
budget, and placing IN every possible light
all the aspects Of tie great constitutional
questions involved. the House OF Lords
cleared for division at II: 80 o'clock. The
scene was impressive. but in no sense ex-
citing. except that the House was packed
TO its utmost capacity and a great array
% strange faces were seen on the benches.
owing 10 the presence Of numbers OF peers
Who only appear IN the House In most ex-
ceptional cases. None would have sup
posed that the event proceeding was des-
tined not only 20 prove memorable in the
annals OF British hisory. but possibly also
involving far-eaching changes in the Brit
ish constitution
MANY PEERESSES IN HOUSE
There was unusual animation in the pub
lie galleries. which were crowded with
peeresses. members OF the House of Com
mons. ambassadors and others. but in the
House itself complete calm prevailed
There was none OF that tense excitement
or exuberant enthusiasm so distinctive of
q similar occasion in the lower house
The vote was on Lord Lansdowne' 8
amendment that the House was not justi-
fed in giving its consent 10 the bill until II
Lad been submitted To the Judgment of the
country. Nearly fifteen minutes were &C.
cupied in clearing the House. the tellers for
division being Earl Waldegrave, Viscount
Churchill Baron Penman and Lord Cole
brooke.
When the vote was announced Just be
fore midnight. as go to 40 in favor Of the
amendment. a few mixed cheers were
heard Owing to the crowded state Of the
chamber the tellers had some difficulty in
forcing their way through 10 Lord Lore
burn. the Lord High Chancellor. The Earl
ment and the House rose.
An eager and expectant crowd was await
ing the result in the central hall. and when
the figures of the vote became known there
was a slight attempt at counter demOnstra-
items The officials however. speedily
cleared the hall. and in a few minutes the
lcbbies and precincts were empty.
LORD ST. ALDwYN's ABSENCE.
who. as Sir Michael Hicks Beach. was one
OF the ablest ChancellOrs Of the Exchequer
on the Conservative side. has ostentatiousiy
absented himself from all debates on Lord
Lausdownes resolution. and this morning
he announced his intention not to go TO the
House for division. His abstention was due
10 disa pproval of Lord Transformers course.
and. together with that Of other weighty
Conservative peers. will have great effect
in the country. Among those peers VINO
came down especially TO vote was the Ear
of Wemyss and March. who is in mis-
ninety-secOnd year.
When division was taken there was prac-
, ticaIly no excitement in the streets, though
earlier in the evening crowds gathered IN
the vicinity OF the House and attempted a
prO-budget demonstration. large force
OF police was in readiness. and as soon as
the crowd showed a tendency TO become
unmanageahle they dispersed the demon
strators being assisted IN this task by a
heavy rainfall
The hnal day debate was again distin-
guished by Oratcrical excellence. particu-
larry in the speeches 81 Lord Curzon OF
Kedleston. former NicerOy Of India. and
the Archbishop of York. both OF which
were of exceptional brilliance. The Arch
bishop Of YOrks speech was his maiden
EFFORT In the House of Lords. and its eIo-
quent periods. added To DR. Lang's fine
presence and Beautiful voice. male a drep
impression
The Archbishop strongly opposed Lord
I4ansdowne's resolution, saying that n
would be unprecedented for the Lords "a
I. reject a finance oil passed Dy the House
OF Commons by such majority.
SPEECH OF FORMER VICEROY.
Lord Curzon was plainly suffering from
his recent indisposition. and had 20 ask the
indulgence OF the house. but in spite of
physical weakness. which several times
during his ninety minutes speech threat
ened 20 overcome him. he spoke with all
dis accustomed yisor and art. he main