Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1909-06-24
FISTS FLEW AT
THOMAS HEARING.
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.HoIIingsWorth Strikes at Attorney.
Agee, When Committee
men Interfere.
ADVISES PUNISHMENT.
Mary Dole says the oregon Boot and
y Cell With Bread and Water
Work Wonders on Boys.
Especial to The. News.

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Ogden, juno 24.-'rhe close of the fore
noon session OF the Thomas hearing
was enlivened today by one or two
encounters between the attorneys for.
1.-THE citizens committee and Chairman
Joseph and Secretary Hollngswortl}f for
THE investigation committee. Just be-
Z fore tho session closed, Valentine eide
on. for the citizens committee, had
asked one of the Thomas witnesses,
who had been an inmate Of the school,
what he had been sent to the institu-
tion for. Chairman Joseph immedi-
iately objected and started to deliver a
lecture to the attorney for asking sucn
laEQuestion. Attorney Agee, of the siti-
zens' committee, said that Joseph had
Ito hesitation In asking such questions
of the citizens witnesses. Agee and
Joseph had some very hot words, and
Attorney Hollingsworth stepped up to
sAgee and shook his fist in his fncc.
Agee resented It and Hollingsworth
then struck at him. Further trollble
was prevented by members of the COM
mittee. Very bad blood has existed
between Joseph and the attorneys for
the citizens committee.
The forenoon session opened with the
defense taking charge. -Four witnesses
We're examined and Atty. Johnson, for
Thomas. stated that he would com
.plete the presentation of his case by
/ tomorrow afternoon. The first witness
for the defense was James Ivinson, em-E
.ployed as a carpenter between April
and September, 1905. He told Of work
In the shop. equipment furnished, and
what was accomplished by the boys
under his direction. He also stated
that the boys were well treated by
Thomas. In the case of the punish
sinent of young Bacon, he stated that
the boys back was black. blue and
crimson. but that, the skin had not
been broken. He said that he saw tho
boys in the plunge room and saw that.
their backs had black and blue stripes
across them. In speaking OF the food
furnished. he said that 1t was all
ways good, and that only In cabs
when the cooks and bs,kara ware away
did the boys prepare their own meals
and then they We're very bad. He said
that he saw Ferris wear the Oregon
he was working
WOMAN ADVISES PUNISHMENT,
Mary Dale, teacher OF the boys.
said that she Ind formerly been at
the Whittier school in California for.
six years. She said that the punish
nent inflicted upon the inmates there
was much more severe than In the Og-
den institution. She said that It was
Isvrey common for inmates In the Whit
tier school to wear Oregon boots from
| fonr to six months for attempting to
escape She said that they Were also,
given four weeks in the cell on a bread
and water diet She said that she
thought that Thomas treated the boys
too kindly and that il had q tendency
to demoralize the school. She said that
IL the punishment was as severe as in
the California institution better re-.
cults would be accomplished. Speaking
OF the food at the Ogden school, She
said that it was far better than that
given the officers Of the California
school. On cross-eSamination. she stat
ed that IN the past seven years there
had been Two Investigations at the,
Whittier school. one for grating and
one for loose morality.
in Salt Lake npw. said that he was
at the institution from Nov. 1907, to
June, 1893, at which time he was pa
rolled. He stated that on the third day
he was in school, he was mada trusty
and worked in the dining room CT Supt.
Thomas. He stated that he was al
lowed to have his meals at the table:
with the officers and that the food
was always the very best.
Olson was on the stand al the noon
ad journment. The session Will be- re-
sunled att O'Clock.