New-York tribune., 1909-05-18
SENATE TARIFF TALK
DEPEW GIVES HIS VIEWS.
No Progress Made on Schedules-A
Discussion on RdzOrS.
IFrom The Tribune Bureau. ]

washington May 17-speeches by Senators Depew
and Sutherland occupied much Of the Senate S
time to-day that no progress the schedules OF
the tariff bill was made Although the session
began at 10 o'clock and lasted until nearly go
o'clock the cutlery paragraph. which was under
consideration Saturday was the unhnlsned pusl-
ness when adjournment was taken Ihe leaders
believe that night sessions must be held in the near
future II the bill is TO pass the Senate by the MID
die Of next month. There are half dozen more
paragraphs in the metals schedule which will lead
extended debate, among them those relalhs 10
antimony, zinc and watch movements ana II Is
doubtful If the lumber schedule will be reacheu Dc
fore Thursday Il was limited tonight that the
lumber schedule may be passed over for the pres
ent. The leaders are fully aware Of the interest
taken in this schedule by most of the Democratic
Senator'S and are disposed hold II back for trad
ing purposes
Senator Sutherland opened to-days session with
elaborate analysis Of the constitutional ooJec-
tions TO an income tax. He spoke for nearly tour
hours his argument being reply TO the speeches
for income made by Senators Bahey' Cui-
Minis, Borah and Owen. Mr.. Sutherland heIo lhe'
federal taxation Of incomes was an encroachment
on state rights and declared that the national gov
ment should not resort TO this kind Of taxation eA
cept in times Of emergency.
SENATOR DEPEws SPEECH.
Senator Depew spoke for nearly two hours to an
attentive audience. he made general defence Oh
the protective system ard demanded tha~Congress
get down to business and pass the tariff bill al the
earliest possible day. He said in part:
One result Of this discussion has been to rescue
the lame ana Tehaolltate me Iepu1ssioa Single 9i I
marks, make and mar the careers OI slateshleI. en-
letter accepting the nomination for the Presidency
until he could take hasty plate OF soup t clossa
committee of notification that the tariff was local
issue in his State OF Pennsy wanna laughea b mhn
out OF the canvass In the cloud OF GeheIats VIZ
were famous in the Civil War he is nearly forgot
gram which General Mcclellan sent to his wife
after one Of the great battles Of the Ciyli MaF'
ten by the crovding events OF advancing time
But now It is brought home to every senator anu am,
tered pregnant truth. and his fame is likely TO
IN # is breaking party lines
states where its productive eneTgies are pFoducmg
the protective principle is to proclaim loyalty TO
the principle Of protection and oppose It's appica-
The eloquent and learned speeches which have
Minnesota and Kansas have developed a new kind
of protection. The new school believe IN me prIn-
cpie but oppose its application. Our southern
friends reject the principle of protection. but be-
lieve in its application TO their own products
believe If a committee appointed composed
exclusively Of the Senators our side who OBJECT
most violently TO this bill that they would have
more diffculty in agreeing with one another than
It is understood our Democratic members had Wheh
was delegate to the national convention at
Chicago, and mingled much as any one with the
representatives of the Republican party. There was
discussion of. public or private. and no commit :
sion Of the tariff There was an understanding in
which all Republicans agreed that the con
i5sted ,,T ht 5e195dad an examination of the tariff
Schedules which have been in existence for ten
wears with view to doing equal and exact justice
cipIes which hsve been inserted in the Republican
platform ever since the formation Of the party
AGAINST AN INCOME TAX.
An income tax has been urged. by the Senators o!
from Texas. Iowa and Idaho. II is advocated with
great ability and a great ARRAY OF precedehs Is
The object and aim OF these long speeches & wafh
this body TO have the Senate reverse the su-
court Of last resort is against the judgment Of
counsel to present TO the public what the counsel
would have said if he had been judge than 10
adopt the remedy which Judge Grover, of our New
York Court Of Appeals said was the only one e LETT
for the defeated attorneys and that was 10 90
down the tavern and curse the court one
ConTt WIN tIe E ideI ee e Iii = he IeSnrsed An
other Senator wishes to have It introduced as a
principle in our political economy, even II the
tarir is 10 he reduced in order that there may not
be an excess of income over expenditures.
Vnless as I'm times there is an absolute
necessity for an income tax. it is the most direct
possible attack upon the protective system. The
only way in which the surplus revenues it would
produce. and which are not now needed, coua be
taken care Of would be either a horizontal reduc-
tion of the tariff bring the revenues down 10 the
expenditures or else TO enter upon bacchanallan
saturnalia Of extravaganza
chilly and which has not been presented The time
has Acome to draw the line between the sources
yTbicb shau he left with the states. The federal
government has unlimited opportunities for revenue
through the customs and by internal revenue taxa
ton OF almost limitless varieties ana oy oiher
methods The states must deal directly with their
people I was talking a few days ago with the
Hon Edwin A Merritt. chairman Of the Committee
on WAYS and Means of the lower mouse OF the New
York legislature who expressed alarm ar the in
l7eritance and income taxes being absorbed by the
federal government The expenses Of the states,
with the public improvements which have become
last quarter Of a century. are increasing in geo
when 7 was chairman Of the Committee Wavs
in the lower house OF the New York
legislature f0rty-siX years ago a tax levy OF
Ss nD000o would have led 10 notical revolution.
The tax levy this wear is S27 nH01 and il has In
decade There was levied in the State of New York
"; 1o67 by direct taveS-that is Citv. village. county
ana town-Ss0 942 241 2. and by indirect tax, SS2
ssa r 40 making total Of direct and indirect taxes
~ S1S 9sz 7e direct tax for state purposes has
haen abolished in state The state government
&c "a rrie5 on hv Indirect taxation. This came be-
cause Of the burdens nf local taxation,
srountinp tn ss1 ON Our indirect taxa
+ion ~ co~nora lions nhe~itances transfers OF
sork fra hHr liduor. nno~toagas and racing asso-
stations according To the following table,
Tax on corporations Ss5Sl - -
Tax on organizations OF corporatons.-.- 39l az Is
Tax on inheritance oSe 81
transfer Of stock n'1taSoo
Tax on trafnc liquor sota a2V5 -
s1 ON ON rscinT associations 25.P25 %
Total 2a3A 'o1. ~
II is evident from this that. with the budget five
millions more than the amount raised from these
sources last year the state must soon find other
sources of revenue Several states have already
adopted an income No one would advocate
eral government and by the states. for the burden
would be intoierabe. IL seems 10 me- tlereIoIe