Omaha daily bee., 1909-09-20
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turned over 10 several others until he
finally gets through and then allowed "
run a car. It Is Just this class OF men
who are responsible FOR a good many of
the accidents that would not have oc-
chsrge of the car. The company ought
not TO keep men who have been turned
down."r + ''
Mt. wsttles: Thst is right. I agree
with you The company ought not to do
anything of that sort. Let us stop a
minute and smoke up and give the steno-.
grapher a rest"
CNote-Mr. Wsttles passes cigars and a
short recess is takenJ
mr.. wattes: now, il anybody wants
20 ask any mere questions aDout the wage
BUSINESS, let us thresh that out before We
,ake up anything further"
air. Gillian: wen, 1 nave nothing fur
ther to say on the wage question, but
you brought up some Things in your talk
mere that We ought TO say something on,
n We nave the rlgnt 10. II is concerning
the UNION. You were speaking about the
city council introducInE al ordinance to
reduce the fare. Wen. now, / 90 not
think that any street car men would be
IN favor of anything OF that kind. ana
there is where / tninK JhaI you wnl ina
a great benefit in hsNlns your employees IN
an organization, Nnere they coulu help
you d great zeal betler tnan they can as
individuals; and, furthermore, 1 carnot
see any reason why you should not treat
with your employees as a body, IL seems
TO me that you should and 1 cannot see
any r~eason-any good reason at all why
you should not do it .'a
Mr., Mattles; Il will tell you in a
moment"
MI. Gillian: The committee can
come up and talk with you and tell
you what the men want and how they
reel, ana you can state your slde bet
ter than YOU can to a thousand indi-
viduals running up mere with one com
plant ana another. That is all ! rave
got to say"
Mr,5 Wattles: Let me ask you this
one question:: Did / ever refuse TO re-
celre your committee here ana lalk wIth
your
Mr. Gillian: We'll, no, not that | know
o.. But you refused to make any agree.
Inent win us or recognize US as a OUdy,
union inen IN wlln US; We cannot force
mem TO come in" "
Alr. "a,,les: Let me tell you about
that. lnere are a lot OF men in ynis
company mat 40 not belong to the unloI
anu 40 not want TO Delong ~ II ana never
Wal Joln II. Iney nave got FIgn,s TIA
aIv Just AS sacred ana JUS as DnuIng o.
TINS company as your rights are ana IheS
nave a TEN 10 oe lreateu Jus, as you me,
are treated.
MIR. Gilman: sure"
Nj, waJlIes: lou have a right to b'
treated Just me same way as they are an,
you nave an gul n rIgnt 10 De lrealvC
square. Ana tie only way in Coos Morlt
tIsl KNOW suOu, trea tns d sl,uattu,
Oh this sort Is Jdst me way 4 alne treaunI
y GU. 1 say now ~ ali OF you We are gJlnS
10 treat you dl Ialr; solnk 10 40 what "a
rIGnt ~ you.
4 Nll tSII you men Nhy-and / nav
salu as muCn bsLOre-lnat 1 would rsUne
mere Mould not De any UNION mere ant
am sorry the union mas come here. de
cause we have nau a wnoie 'Iot o. lrouuI,
uual We never nad heIore II caulr, anu 1
oLIngs up conflict an the time Oct Heei
lmOtofmaH ana conductor ana between IN
men themselves, ana CUntfuYersles All tn,
Anne DtIween these msn Drvadsr sO,ne o
mem ueiuns 10 HH or6aniEatlVn ana SOM
u mem 40 not.
now, men you say TO a free man il
these IfniteG 0oratSs That ie HAS so " be
idns II d UNION IA urusr ~ 49, a day
pay, YOU. are sVIIs an awful Iohg Ways
yuu are ssylIs Something mat yUu ma v
, 40 IIBnt 70 Say. IOu nave no Tight [
Oring aUout d condition where a man ina
l either DeiOng TO your Union or mas got .
srarVe BECAUSE he otdn't see as yOd du
! Ihat ~ the ming that the old revOIution
. afS taJlers lUub. at lOri lnat as inc Inln
5 tlaI ~ Written IN the constitution OF IN
Uuiteu States, aud IA Is the INNS tnat
ana going 10 nolu sacred As long - 4 uy'
l lh ANY capacity NnateVer, / aAu uOL ~
ING 70 tIsaI a man any uIIIersnt ina
uuhl peiuIk 10 a unon tnan treat Ia
q man VINO GOES. ana tnat Is the princIps
reason ABOUT the union emu o. H. but
IninH We are seIung away from the res
matters lhat ate sIiSNduGes-.t tuvy al
y grievances. 'fhe pllnclpbI one. IS the ma
Ter OF wages thai we nave .alA,G a0Uu
n NOW, n anybody mas auytninE iurtner {
say on the question OF wases, lei us nav
1 uues0On. -ra- ~.
AR. lear; In bringing up the questio
: Of Inc council reducing ,hs tares 1 nay
l one tning / want 40 say: 1 InInk ever
e man IA tuis hail would De opposed 10 any
tning OF the Kind, ana that We Will do q
u an Our power in every way To head tbs
. OIL because ! do not think that a. - "a
u ana Just. ana think tnat the 5-cent TAI
as ttte enough, ana ought 10 be fetainv
a as the STANDARD ana should not be reduce
lrom that figure; and'1 think NE
go -onarecOlu s-sSyInS thai we will oppOi
e anything OIL the kIno whlCh Will come al
We VA oppose IL as A BODY ana We W
e bring II up before the BODY, We can %
a pose tile measure as a BODY and go befOl
the council as a body and say that v
do not want Il. Inere are five or 81
= members OF the council that belong 10 q
unions, and as union men / am sui
could get the committees OF the whole
call IL off. Ne could 80 up there and NAL
a a decided stand against anything OF u
kind being DONE
Mr.. wsttles: Don't you think il is
your interest TO do that?"
hr. Lear: . Yes, sir"
MIR. Watts: Why don't sou do it,"
Mr.. Lear; We'll, II is our interest.
say Il is our interest ] don't say that
~ Is not our interesI.'
g Mr.. NattIes: Can you afford 10 sit he
and permit the council 10 pass such Z
m ordinance, knowing that after IL had pass
IL would not only shut off any posstbili
As OF an Increase, but creates a conditS
no where you have got to have a decrease?"
M Mr.. Lear. w ell. | hadn't seen il Al
IN didnt know Of IA until you told as sbO
10 H. l DID not know anything about IN
being before The council. I nave new
Iu read about IL or heard Of am thing of Il
NJ kind until you spoke Of II here, and wOu
AZ not like TO say what they have done
l have not done and n they should go
sd record With reference 10 an ordinance su
ne as is contemplated 10 the effect that
M would he q detriment 10 The men. ID q
10 employ of The street railway company a
l' would result tu a deCrease ~ their Vag
rd and th6t ne would he opposed 90 siIcn
bs ordinance and u We passed 10 as a boz