Arizona republican., 1909-03-26

classification depended on local con- ditions.
 He was asked to explain the seem ing inconsistency of rate on bags
 to Rocky Ford, Colo. of S5 cents.
 while the rate to Phoenix was $1.5O.
 MT. Chambers said that the sugar in
 dustry at Rocky Ford easily account 1 ed for it.
 On the subject of minimum weights
 he said that the minimum at Phoenix
 was forced by the Fl Paso minimum
 and he explained how rates are re-
 lated to the weight saying that what
 the shipper thinks he is losing in the
 one he is gaining in the other.
 The reason why Arizona was not
 in defined territory" Mir. Chambers said was because it had no industries in competition with others elsewhere and he illustrated that view by a description of the formation of the defined territory embracing Colorado and Kansas apd the shifting of rates that had been going on there in con- sequence of the development of new industries which either demanded pro- lection or affected others in other parts of the country.
 Regarding the rate on bees-wax from California east, this having been held up as a horrible example of the ipiquity of rates, MT. Chambers said that somebody had erred in the mak- ing of it and that it would be ad- justed.
 He was asked why the terminal rates to the north Pacific ports were lower than those of the south Pa cific There were several things he thought which would account for that condition. one was the more popu- lous territory traversed by the north ern lines and the other was the policy of the Northern Pacific and ! the Great Northern to build up that l country.
 MT. Chambers was questioned as to l rates on California branch lines and | he was asked why towns situated on | them were given intermediate rates | and treated in all respects the same | as main line points while Phoenix | was not He explained that nearly | all of the present branch lines of the | Santa Fe system in California had | at one time or another been regard ed as main lines.
 At the suggestion of Mir. Norton, MT. Chambers recurred to the "ever subject of hides" And he very briefly explained why California terminal points were allowed the ab- normally low rates to Atlantic points.
 He said that Phoenix would be granted a rate on pig iron. He was not aware that one had ever been asked for Of course it would not be a rate that would permit this to be- come competing manufacturing point for the reason that it could not become one anyhow. The conditions were against it even though it were allowed terminal rates on pig iron
 Mir. Chambers was on the stand three hours and a half, two and half hours of that time being under crosscxamination.
 The readiness of his answers. his clearing up of many points which had puzzled the special examiner and the attorneys of both sides throughout the three days of the hearing further es- tablished his reputation as the most sllillful rateman in the west
 Mir. Chambers was followed by Cen craI Freight Agent Paul r. Hastings of the g. r. r. C r. who submitted large number of tables dealing with the rates on that line His testimony them and his cross examination took up about four hours. Long after the usual time of adjourn me mt, General Manager w. A. Drake took the stand and entered upon physical description of the :. F. r. x r.. the difficulties of the build ing of it and the further difficulty jf maintaining it.
 The case was concluded with the testimony of President Murphy, which related to the building of the [ road as a financial undertaking and at half past seven o'clock, the hear ng. after being in continuous session | except for a half hour for lunch, fin ally adjourned.