New-York tribune., 1909-07-15
MRS. THAW MUST TELL
4 CHILLING TO FOLLOW.
TO Testify Concerning Husbands
4Heged Threat and the Reason.


against Potter a precedent, threat TO kill was
not confidential. Mr. MorSchauser said that he was
entirely willing let Mrs Thaw tell all about
that alleged threat In this conversation after the
trial he said that Thaw had warned her then Of
possible consequences If she did not behave her
self. If Mrs. Thaw that Thaw threatened
to kill her Mr., Morschauser will bring out the
whole story Of the life OF the young woman since
Thaw has beer imprisoned 1t is this sort of
cross-examination to show why Thaw made such
a threat. if he did so. that said to Have made
the young reluctant say anything the
day before, although called a witness by the
state.
Dan O'Reilly. who was subpPnaed TO testify
whether he was counsel for Thaw at the time Of
the alleged threat at Matteawan. answered the
court order in :he afternoon. Justice Mils's de
cison made his testimony unnecessary. and he was
excused. His testimony. he said. would have been
that he counsel for both Evelyn and Harry h
Thaw that time
Mrs. Thaws statement that her husband was not
supporting her to the extent that would make il
possible for her employ counsel was rather set
back yesterday when DR.. Vladimir Sino. Mrs
Thaw's physician. testified that she had an allow
ance Of $40 week with 500 at the end Of
each month. After the court proceedings. Mr.
Morschauser corroborated this statement. He said
that ever since he became Thaw's counsel he had
been paying Mrs Thaw the rate of $40 a day
and giving her 500 at the end of the month,
CHARACTERISTIC OF MRS. THAW
We chose this arrangement he said, "as II
seemed the wisest way. Mrs. Thaw is one Of the
kind of women who. If you gave them $500 to-
day. would be around Monday in need Of more,
decided TO pay her on the instalment plan
The session to-day probably Will be the last this
week. both sides wish to adjourn until Monday
If Mrs. Thaw's testimony Is not completed to-day,
she may be called tomorrow. Harry X. Ihaw
will be placed the stand the other
lay witnesses have been examined. and on his
testimony and behavior. is considered, really
hinges the result Of his attempt to gain his lib
erty.
The hearing yesterday not productive OF any
sensation. but tho small courtroom crow ded
A large part of the audience consisted OF 'ery
young very old women. Of v HON perhaps third
more were negroes. The negro population was
well represented among tho men. but not so nuch
among the womer. Seme Of the young gir.s In
the crowd still their hair down their backs.
The entire session continuance 81 The lay
testimony in favor Of Thaw- The prisoners family
vas there. heretofore. 70 cheer him. and Mrs
Evelyn ThaH also waiting, but she remained
in another room Her statement. IN stand by
YOU Harry" when he was trial for his hfe IS
reported 10 have been replaced 10y remarks that
she would Ike TO see Thaw in Matteawan for nfe.
This will All be discussed in court to-day.
While the various witnesses were being examined
District Attorney Mack Of Dutchess County -ried
o. bring out something to show that Thaw vas sti!l
suffering from paranoiacal deusions. The Wit
nesses all said they had fought shy of any con
versatien Of this sort. they considered II too
delicate tcpic. under the circumstances. Mr.
Mack's Idea that. since Thaw had been de-
cared parauoiac such conversation would bring
about the sole condition under which the prisoner
would show plainly his insanity. During all Mr.
Mack's questions about the killing ~ Stanford
White and his alleged Ill treating OF young girls
Thaw sat chewing his pencil end. apparently no
less ~ has been since the start of the
proceedings.
THAw TO co or STAND
The formal announcement that Tha% w'uli Eo
the stand made when Deputy Attorney
General Clark wanted to know II Mr.. MorSoh"user
would permit the 'ntroductiou OF the record OF
Thav-s second trial as evidence. Justice Mills de-
cIared that he would put Thaw on the stand him
self Il have no doubt but what Mr. Morscnauser
has planned 70 do this" said the Court. but Il he
does not l certainly Will" AIr Mprschauser said
De had planned all along to do this
The first break in the monotony Of the testimony,
after Or Siilo told Of the 500 month provision
for Mrs Thaw, came when Mrs John McM Han,
whose emphatic manner beied her aged and feeble
anpearance. was called by Mr.. Morschauser. She
said Thaw was the only in the world she
had ever met who did not have something to grum-
bile about: that he even did not complain when lie
was I'm Matteawan, and. altogether. was a nice
bov" She said that she thought Thav Was 'he
kindest hearted and worst domino player she
had ever met. Thaw looked shamefaced when she
described what a poor playet he was at dominos.
for h.. prides himself his prowess along those
lines. He is the only man vino. FOR tw"n,y-siz
weeks. has solved every intricate problem in
series Of bridge puzzles printed by Sunday paper
here and has won enough prizes solving card and
chess problems in contests cut of town to pay his
counsel fees for all Of two three days.
The first witness was Miss Anna 6. ". Dayley,
a lawyer Of PouGhkeepsie. who saw Ihaw seven
or eight times in jail. and had always found him
rational Dr. Thomas Ehiighter, Poughkcepsie
dentist. found Thaw rational as any man Is in
the hands the dentist. when he called TWO
three times Thaw talked about insanity with the
dentist.
TALKED ABOUT INSANITY
Il expressed the opinion to Mr Thaw." the
dentist said that it was hard to distinguish the
border line between sanity and insanity. He dis
agreed with me. and said he thought the line Of
demarcation was clearly 10 be distinguished. and
that 1t easy to tell by association with pris-
oner whether he insane
Mrs Mary Murnane. matron Of the Poughkeepsle
jail. and several other witnesses all said they
considered Thaw whenever they had dealings
with him. DIR. Sillo gave the first testimony to
deviate from the routine line followed by both
sides. He called to Mattedwan because Thaw
had been suffering with headaches. This right
after Mrs Evelyn Thaw had been ordered out OF
the Hotel Knickerbocker and talking of suing
the management
My WIFE he saws Thaw told him. lis very
foolish to keep in the public eye this way. She
would be foolish sue, but what I do? 1
have done everything that I can for her.
Mr. Mack asked Or. Sillo II he remembered
saying at the second trial that Thaw had told him
in the Tombs that he insane when he shot
White.
once when visited Thaw in the Tombs,' said
the physician he mentioned the killing OK Stan
ford White. Speaking of of the prisoners
Thaw said To This man doesn't know what
he did any more than / knew what I was doing
when shot Stanford White"
one or more dentists physicians and keepers
were called say they believed Thaw rational
Mrs Eradine Phillips wife Of County Judge