New-York tribune., 1909-07-29
THAW FACES JEROME
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in these practices constituted grounds for di-
vorce. Mr.. Morschauser was on his feet object
ing to the introduction on the ground that Il was
confidential. and Thaw said he did not wish
70 waive his right in the matter Holding out
the letter. Mr.. Jerome asked:
Did you write that 10 your wife2"
Il did yes"
Draw that lewd picture on it?''
wrangle between the lawyers followed
while Thaw looked appealingly from Mr. Nor
schauser to Justice Mills and back again Mr..
Jerome contended the letter was admissible
because II had been obtained through a third
party. Justice Mills was inclined u hold with
Mr.. Jerome but granted Mr. Morschauser's re-
quest for time to look up authorities
MR. OLNEY TAKES STAND
Mr. OIney here took the stand. When Thaw
returned to tho chair Mr. Jerome resumed the
examination.
,Q.-How long have you been in Matteawan? A
Q.-Segregated with any particular group? A
No with all the lunatics, about hfty-seven. except
g 9mDid they {, talk much? A.-Intermttenty.
So I've been told.
Q--Were you crazy? A.-Not legally
Q.-This isn't murder trial. A.-Well. medically.
I am sane-always have been
Here Mr.. Jerome made his first attempt to find
out why Thaw objected TO further examinations
by aliensts
mean? At It was competent yes But not for
he added Q-wfy Would R not "a talk W 10 nr Baker At
Matteawan? Al always talked with him.
Thaw denied that he had refused to submit
to examination and said that both Or. Lamb
and DR.. Baker had examined him and declared
him sane. They found no trace OF paranoia"
he added cooy.
Despite the objections Of his counsel, Thaw
had to tell whether he said in court that he
thought DR.. Allan McLane Hamilton was crazy.
Thaw admitted he would not answer the doc
tors questions; he didn't like his looks.
Why" asked Mr.. Jerome.
81 do not like thee. DR.. Fell the reason why
I cannot tell" quoted Thaw, and Mr.. Jerome
opened his eyes.
Then Mr. Jerome got down TO Thaw's opinions
of his own sanity.
Q--Were you ever crazy. as DR.. Hamilton said
saw Mr. White on the roof of Madison Square
Q,-Were you crazy then? Al did not say I
Q.-You shot him down in cold blood? A-No:
told you. don't reGollect that half minute.
you don't know? y A"wel IT was Sp' becagse HnG@
of things he had done TO my Wife
NOT JEALOUSY. HE SAYS.
Q.-You were jealous? Al could not say was
jealous II not jealousy.
Q.-Ever call White a red dragon a gorilla?
A.-No.
Odd you have feeling of bitter enmity
toward White? A.-Well no; not till my wife told
Odd it influence you in killing White? A
Yes, in this way. He coldblooded. He was
it is trie but ii would have been something
Q.-Were you crazy when you killed him? A
Legally. Under the statute yes.
Q.-Do you think you were justified in killing
White?
Thaw moved slightly in his chair and then
said in clear voice: There is no such thing
justification for killing anybody"
Q.-What do you mean by that? Do YOU mean
that you feel remorse over your act? Al regret
it, yes.
Q-Do you think you did a wicked thing in kill
ing White?
Thaw replied after some hesitation in the affir-
native but he looked If he would have liked
to be spared the necessity of answering that
question.
Reverting again to the voices ,of young girls
which the Tenderloin policeman said Thaw had
complained OF the night of the murder while he
was in a CELL Mr.. Jerome said:
You were IN that cell charged with murder
You knew you had just snuffed out a human life.
You had shot White and you knew It,"
Thaw broke in and said:
Il did not know that he was dead"
In explanation of the doorman's testimony
Thaw said he had got the matter slightly mixed
up. During the night he heard cries from the
cells. One of the voices. he thought, was that Of