New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1909-12-01

Earl CaVcor. former First Lord OF the
Admiralty. who wound Up the debate for
the Oppc sition. maintained that there had
oeen attempt TO evade the Lords an
Gent right to reject each tax by placing
all taxes on one bill. II vas Idle TO pre-
tend. he saio. that such change Of pro-
cedure By the House Of Commons could
affect IN one iOta the responsibilities and
duties OF the second chamber. He quoted
Premier Asquith as announcing on assum-
ing the premiership that the function OF
the House OF Lords was TO check slovenly
and prscipitate legislation. which. Earl
Cawdor thought. fairly represented the ac-
ton which the Lords proposed to take.
Referring 10 the lacking on OF license
proposals and land valuations 10 the
budget. he said that as both OF these had
previously been rejected by the House OF
Lords IL would destroy all the power OF
the upper house II the Lords were unable
10 veto the finance bill. In which these were
now included. He asserted that tie budget
had already drawn capital from the coun-
try TO an alarming extent. had stunned the
building trade and increased unemploy-
ment-
They were told that the rejection OF the
bslI would cause financial chaos. but Lord
Transformers offer OF assistance In order
TO avoid Inconvenience had not been cor
daily received by the government. There
fore. Lord Cawdor said. II chaos came. the
responsibility would rest on the ministry.
The government wanted a single cham
Der. independent Of any check, while the
Lords had been fighting for one principle.
namely. the separation OF the judicial and
administrative functions. Unless they
could establish this principle. what was 10
become OF local authorities and individuals;
The people. Lord Cawdor concluded.
could get rid OF the decision OF the second
chamber by an election. but they could get
rid OF an autocratic single chamber only
by revolution
LORD CREwE'S CLOSING SPEECH
The Earl OF Crewe. Secretary OF State for
tie Colonies and Lord Privy Seal. closed
the debate IN a speech frequently inter
rupted by ministerial cheers. Lord Lans-
downes amendment he cOntended. was the
negstion OF all precedent and fOuted all
Usage. All agreed that II was necessary
this year 20 raise a large amount OF extra
money by taxation. made necessary by the
claims OF national defence and the adOp-
ton Of old age pensions. The sum total
OF the long debate. he said. was that the
Opposition considered the governments
method OF raising money illusory. and that
that justified revolution.
Turning to the charge that since the in
PRODUCTION OF the budget capital was leav-
ing the country and that there had been
a serious faI in securities. the Earl OF
/ Crewe said that he admitted capital was
timid. and that some people had been in
duced By what they had heard 10 sell
British securities and invest abroad. That.
/ he said. was due. however. TO the speeches
{ Of
/ what they professed to deplore The in
dustrial concerns OF Great Britain had not
/ found difficulty in getting and keeping all
the money necessary for their require
ments
Nobody questioned the power OF the
( House OF Lords to reject the bill. he con-
tinued. but II would be a violation OF es-
/ tablished usage The effect of the rejec-
/ ton of the bin would be that IN framing
/ financial proposals In the future the gov
eminent would have to consider whether
/ they would receive the concurrence Of the
l House CT lords the action would. in fact
involve something like burlesque OF rep
resentative government In tearing up
ancient charters and removing landmarks
the Lords were making a most tragic
/ blunder
The position OF the Liberal ministers in
the House OF Lords. the speaker added. was
| becoming almost impossible During all
the years IN which he had been a mem
Der. he could not remember a single case
I where suggestions Of his had the slightest
| effect. There had been o. late years a
distinct encroachnent by the Opposition
with regard 10 the treatment OF govern
| ment business. For many years the two
houses 1ad logged along as acquaintances
I but after tonight they would barely be on
/ speaking terms II was an unreforned
/ House OF Lords that was throwing out the
budget. II the Lords thought that any
OF the ministerialists welcomed the crisis
they were entirely mistaken. In cOncIu-
sion the Earl OF Crewe said:
THE sECRETARY's WARNING.
1T may be that when the new ParIia-
ment meets we viii be sitting where you
sit now: II may be that We will still be
/ sitting here. In either case we must after
I the action you are taking tonight set
I ourselves 70 obtain guarantees-nOt the old
! guarantees sanctioned by the course OF
time and enforced by accommodation be-
I tween the two houses. but n necessary,
and II there Is no other way, guarantees
fenced about and guarded by the force of
statutes which viii prevent the indis-
/ crir1inate destruction of our legislation Of
which your work tonight is the climax and
the crown"
/ The following abstained from voting.
The Duke Of COnnaught. the Archbishop
. OF Canterbury. viscOunt St Aldwyn.
Earl de la War;. the Earl OF I.ytton
the Marquis of Dufferin. and several other
[ peers and bishops. The Archbishop Of
York and the bishops OF Birmingham.
/ Chester and ST. Asaph voted against the
, resolution The Bishop Of Lincoln voted
for the resolution. while Lord James Of
/ Hereford and the Bishop OF Hereford
| paired against the resolution Otherwise
the division was IN strict party lines.
PLANS FOR PROPAGATION
The Cabinet met i'm Downing Street at
noon for the purpose Of discussing the
7 form of the Kings speech proroguing Par
/ Lament All the members, with the ex-
/ ceptiOn Of Sir Edward Grey. Secretary of
State for Foreign Affairs. were present.
| a crowd. in which were many phOtOg-
/ raphers. filled the street and cheered che
ministers as they entered the building.
While the government has not announced
/ whether IL proposes adjournment or
the propagation OF Parliament. tO-day's re-
| ports 10 the effect that the latter course
/ is certain. II is believed that Premier
Asquith viii King Edward tomorrow.
Both chambers will hold short sessions on
Friday for the reading OF the King >
. speech.
The Cabinet remained In session until :