The Washington times., 1909-02-01
MORE LIGHT ON GAS


NlOuS that two separate WoIhs LAaL AT G
making 90 per cent OF coal gas and s.
per cent of carburetad water gas can
not be economically turned into "a works
making 100 per cent OF coal gas, and
would. therefore, have to be- for eco
homie reasons, abandoned if the gas had
10 be an coal gas.
2gr. THOMAs-But YOU nave made nO
valuation OF the part of the works that
would have 10 bee abandoned?
Mr.. FORSTALL-No, sir.
Mr. THOMAS-And YOU have made no
valuation or estimate of tho amount of
material or work that would have to be
done 10 replace the abandoned part2
Mr.. FORSTALL-TCs / have made an
uH-hand calculation.
Mr.. THOMAS-Yes, / know. but I am
speaking about Ct valuation that would
be reliable. that would give what the
actual cost was. You have not done
shat
Could Figure Cost Closely.
oir FORSTALL-I think the cost
That I save would not be very lar away
from what would bo necessary to re-
place with coal c.s apparatus the pres
vnt apparatus o. the company.
Mr.. THOMAS-If Won were building a
EaS plant would sou be willing TO have
one make AN or-hand estimate OF that
kind and take that as a insure on would
=
Mr. FORSTALJ-Of course, you
would have TO maze up the details.
Mr. THOMAS-AOu have not MADE
ANY such detailed examinations
Mr.. RORSTALL~-No. sir.
Mr. THOAIAS-Nor do YOU know the
value of the mains, the number OF miles
Of mains
Ntr. FORSTALL-No sir
AIr. THO4IAS-Or OF the consumers
EGTviCe2
Mr.. FOBsTALL-No, sir.
AIr. THOMAS-In other words, you
have not E0no over the plant at ally
ATr. F0RSTALL-No, sir.
Mr.. THOMAS-That IS all
Questioned by DR.. Haywood.
Dr.. HAYWOOD would like to ask
8ne gentleman VINO has lust been speak
inS a question. Did you say you We're
e. gas manufacturer
Ar TORSTALIr-Iu a small way.
am the manager of a gas plant that
makes about 5,0C0.09g feet q year just at
present, but my business IS consulting
gas engineer.
Dr. HAYWOOD-Are YOU a chemist2
AIr- FORSTALL-I have had an edu-
cation in chemistry.
DE-. HAYWOOD--Would you call your
Mr.. FORSTALI-No- I would not call
myself an analytical chemist.
DF. HAYWOOD-Have you ever stud
Ecd physiological chemistry?
Mr. FORSIAII-NO.
Neither SanitaTian Nor NJ. D.
Dr. HAYWOOD-Have you ever been
Il ssuitarlan2
Mr.. TORSTALL-No.
Or. HAYWOOD-Are you an N. D.?
Mr.. FORSTALL-No.
Dr. HAYWOOD-Not being any OF
these, do you consider that you are
competent TO pass on whether carbon
nonoNlde IN q certain quantity is or is
not poisonous
AR FOBsTALI-I have not tried 10
pass ora that have acknowledged that
carbon m0uoxide is poisonous
Dr. HAYWOOD know; but the rela-
live quantities of water gas and coal
gas. yOu have said that one viii produce
death and one VIII not. Have you ever
carried out any experiments 10 prove
that?
Did Not Make Statement.
dr. FORSTALL-I beg pardon; did
not say that one would produce death
and one would not.
Dr. HAYNOOD-In a certain length
o. time.
MT FORSTALL-Ies; I said that
DR.. HAYWOOD-Haye you ever car
Eled Oh any experiments 10 prove that?
1Ir. FORSTALI4-NO-
Dr. HAYWoOD-Where do YOU draw
sour information 1romt
ar. FORSTALL-FTom the literature
Dr. HAYWOOD-Teu me some OF the
literature.
Mr. FOESTALL-This report OF the de-
uartmenLal committee OF the board OF
trade has more in 1t than any other
Dr. HAYWOOD-Is that Of 1883?
AIr. FORSTAIIS-lsg9.
Dr. IIATWOOD-Tou mean the house
Ut commons seasonal paDeTst
Dir FDRSIAIL-I DO not know what
EhEy call d., IL Us oven here as the re-
port OF the departmental committee.
Read Report Through.
DR.. HAYWOOD-Have you ever read
that through?
Mr.. FORSTALI-Yes
Dr. HAY1VCOD-Do YOU know who
sAe committee are by whom il is slgued2
8Ir. FORSTALL-Tes; I gave their
Bamss yesterday,
Dr. HAYEVOOD-Wer Sir William
Ramsay and Haldane two Of the men
- no signed it2
Mr.. EORSTATIs-They were
mr. TAILOR might state that the
names were read into his statement
yesterday
SIR. sI1IS-The doctor vas not here.
ana did not know that
On. HAYWOOD-Do you remember I
That that committee recommended to
parliament that - per cent of carbon
mcnozlde should DG q maximum in the
Mr.. FoRSTAIL-I do not
DT. WDDD-Wlat d.0 item no .
3 say in regard TO tlatg
aIr FCRETALIs-Iteu No. 8. IL that /
ST. the fIeul--
Mr. TAYLOR-I may state that that
e.as read into the record yesterday.
Limit on MonOzide Urged.
Afr. FORSTALll-I read that into the 4
record yesterday. Item No says.
That power should be- conferred upon a 4
central department to make regulations. en-
forceanls by adequate peualLeg. limiting the /
proportion of earb0uie oxide iu the public [
gas supply 1T night 10 j. Uer cent on such
greater amount as the department may con
der desirable.
Dr.. HAEW OOD-THat is all ! wanted
to know. III YOU read that report very
carefully You quoted some figures
taeIe about the deaths Iu fHicaE0 being
four and some fraction when coal gas
was used and three and some fraction
when water gas was used, Gid you uUtg /
SIR. FDESIALI--Tes.
iJr. IWDDD-Have YOU not LETT
out = great many figures Iu that report .
which show exactly tle opposite, that
the deaths Else when you use water
EasE
Mr. FOBsTALL-No. / have not In
my statement I stated yesterday
quoted TINS table OF Dr HaIdane, 10y
which he pre-euds TO show that the
deaths had increased greatly with the
Ese OF carDurcteo water gas. and