The Guthrie daily leader. [volume] (Guthrie, Okla.) 1893-1996, 1909-03-15
Teslimonv Taken Al Lansing, Kansas bu
joint Committee Of Kdnsdsond Oklahoma
for The Purpose Of Investigating Treat
ment accorded 10 Oklahoma Prisoner
phiie Confined IN the Peniieniidry

tcou,inmed from yssterday1
a. We take into consideration all that we take INTO con
the muns physical condition and have an ron-clad
that shall not be punished he doing the best nc
can
Q How about putting young down in the mines with
odmeu2
We have pit some is Or lsycar-od boys down there
and the outside they have got younger men than that
@ Do you think that is advisable
Al Ny opinion as p what is advisable on that line might
not have any bearing have goi 70 take conditions as Ind
them
o Tic first idea Of penieniiary Is to reform man
don't think boy is should be sent to the peni
tenar ht as long as you send lot Of children here what arc
you going ID do with ihcrnf
q Couldn't you work them somewhere ssc'
Al What do YOU send them here or'
BY Mr. REED:
d Mr. West was questioning you about an address yon
made which you made certain reference 70 what he construed
10 be caslraticn
DO YOU know the difference between sterilization and casira
iion'
Al know what The snurgous claim Is the difference
C What Il the diiiersnccF
know there Is some cord cut that generates the
soil man is slerzcd he w have erection but Unable y
propagate his kind think that in vouge y great many
places would Be good thing That was ie ss Of what re
ietred ID II 10y address
ny MIR WEST
@ This ring punishment aud castraiion anil sterilization
only differ lns wen gets ont e can have The ring taken
olfs
An YES Ill
@ THE other matter you couldn't sci back
a. Yes sir IS permanent have had doctors Tell ne that
boys haze frequently come 70 him have the rings put H.
tWlTNESS EXCuSEDl
MR. Inv DODsON, DEPu.r WARDEN KANSAS STATE
PENITENTfARy BEING DULY SWORN TESTIFIED
As FOLLOWS
DIRECT EXAMINATION BY Mr.. WEST
q. You ne deputy warden1
N mi
@ How long have you been deputy watdeh9
A. I here in May, 1901
O. you have charge Of Of discipline in tic pen
hehsary7
A Yes IL, under the direction oi the warden
d What punishnents do you infiet
Send men the blind CELL have bar on the side OF
he wa ihe cell with Fng.n The bar The bar IS around
sixteen inches long and We andcif them 70 that ring We have
turned lie hose On them We put them solitary place where
they pound rock and for mild ocnse deprive them Of TO-
cco ticket deprive them Of the privilege Of writing letters
@ Are there any other punishments that you have ever
ussdf
NJ The crib has been used think twice aa pune
sen since have been here but It hiss been used very little
since Mr. Haskell has been here
Q As a punishment has il been usea or twice.
A More times than that
@. How many times2
Al couldn't tell YOU exactly
@ About
A. wouldnt approximate it,
Q why did yoa say il had been used oacc Of tuiee7
because 4 has beer used BIT little te old niods ~
usng the crib Is punishment The crib has been used largely
$ d restraint
You say you have never used i as punishment;
Al No didn't say never. never use the old mode
punishment
q Have you ever used tae crib purishmiehti
A. Yes sR
O. How oiscn2
Al Il may have been used ii the sever years have been
here twenty o. thirty times a punishment Then when we
gave this they put The crib fou dpl
shut the crib down on them
@ When The crib used punishment without reivrece
u he nEtef cure. describe how il is aselY
Al For being disordety I'VE take them with their lnnds
enfed AMI lay Them IN the crib
@ Al full lngh7
"a. Yes sir There often men that have been haud-
euasd and shackled both. and put IN The crib
AQs How were they slackedi
s ttsEf al ft.s.,