The Salt Lake herald-Republican. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1909-1918, 1909-09-23

| it says, and that he did not consider il
/ fair to compare the live rates Of today
/ with the rebate plan, which had beer
I passed upon throughout the country as
| wrong one.
Mr.. Munroe was asked whether tht
rebates did not range from 10 to 90 pei
| cent and frequently go over 20 per cent
| He replied that he thought they varied
and that they usually ranged from 10 to
1 10 per cent.
Mr. MunrGe was questioned further
along the line Of the rebates, and theI
| the matter of the earnings of the vari-
Gus roads was taken up. He was asked
whether the roads touching the coast
were not built primarily win a view 10
getting the coast business. He replied in
the affirmative. He said the main OuSl-
ness is that secured from the coast cities
and that the builders of the transcOnti-
mental roads had in mind the transcon-
tinental business.
Commissioner PrOuty asked why tbs
rates should be higher between Omaha
and Ogden than between Chicago and
Omaha, and the witness replied that the
population to the square mile had some
thing to do with It.
Cost of Building.
Mr. Prouty asked how this affected the
rate and whether the rate did not de
mend on the amount of business the road
had. Mr.. MunrOe said it had cost more
to build the western road. He said II
was necessary to earn a certain amount
| if a per cent dividend is TO be declared
Mr. MunrOe was asked whether the
earnings of the Union Pacific are no.
more than per cent. Mr.. billiard SAID
the earnings on the capital stock and
bonds are less than 8 per cent. He said
this would be shown by the railroad IN
its testimony.
Cross-exanined by Mr.. billiard, Mr.
Munroe repeated statements he had made
on his direct examination, 70 tne eILecl
that the Hepburn act had been of great
D - -uT1
had not gone into effect there would nave
been instability of rates and many ROADS
would have gone bankrupt in the search
for business
Missouri freight bureau, he was asked
what result would follow the making OF
an independent rate by the various car
riers He said the result would be com
mercial chaos. He said there Is no pOOl-
ing of interests at present.
He was asked whether, III SAYING De-
fore that there was NJ relation between
Colorado rates and Salt Lake rates nc
had meant that a reduction OF rates III
salt Lake would not be followed BY q
reduction In Denver. He Tepheu Ihd'
there would have to be reduction IuI-
Their east If this were Done.
One or two of the railroad men pIeseill
questioned Mr. Munroe briefly after the
general examination.
Southern Pacific Affairs.
G. W. Luce, general freight, agent OF
the Southern Pacific, who followed Mt
Nuproe on the stand, answered some
questions about terminals and distances
on that liue and regarding the various .e,ls
roads entering California. lie salu ne Was
of the belief that the class rates were
alike in both directions between SAT-
Lake and Los Angeles, although at one
time it was different MI BaDcoch Salu
he was of the impression that the west
bound rates are higher ,.
agr I
the same -
citrus fruit from California TO the MIS-
souri, river and said 1t was Sll3. me
same rate applies to Salt Lake lie salu
ne did not consider this a Discrimination
against Utah. The rate formerly was
Sl-25 to New York and other eastern
DOiuts and 81 121a to Salt Lake. I'M rate
to Salt Lake was raised 212 cents ana
the rate to the east cut 10 cents.
Mr. Luce was asked whether the exist
ence of this rate was not accounted lot
by the fact that the Salt Lake people are
helpless and can get the article nowhere
else He replied that he did not consider
this the case. He was or the IMPRESSION
that the class rates between southern al al
ifOrnia points and Utah points on tile
Southern Pacific and the Salt Lake Route
are about the same, but knew OF no IN
Outstanding between the roads.
He was asked whether there IS a
greater earning in the short or the long
hauIs and said the short hauls are more
remunerat tive He was asked by the com
missioner to furnish a statement as 10
the roads earnings and promised to DO So
Mr.. Luce was asked what roads. &C
COrding to his knowledge, had been giving
Transportation OF rebates to san Fran
cisco shippers prior to the passage Of the
Hepburn act Mr.. Luce said he dlG not
know that any roads had been giving
IF there are representatives Of any
such roads present. perhaps they viii
stand up" remarked Commissioner
Prouty, and a general laugh followed.
T. A Wann, general traffic manager
of the Salt Lake Route, was the next
witness. He has the supervision of the
passenger and the freight traffic. At
tentiOn was called to the fact that the
passenger rate between Los Angeles and
this state is about $40 cents a mile, and
highest rate for the service given in the
country. He thought this was not so, and
thought rates just as nigh prevailed on
the Northern Pacific, Canadian Pacific
and other roads.
He admitted that the freight rate from
Salt Lake to Los Angeles is higher than
the rate in the other direction. but said
ne would frankly admit that they should
be the same. He did not consider this
rate unreasonable, considering the eX-
pense under which the road has been, the
grades, the small traffic and the fact that
the country is d new one.
Mr.. Wann said rates had been made on
his line without consulting the Southern
Pacific notice merely having been given
that a certain rate would go into effect
on fixed date.
Mr. Wann was the last witness of the
day and after his testimony had been re-
ceived the session was adjourned until 10
O'Clock this morning.
1T is too early to express an opinion
on the rate hearing said Commissioner