The Ogden standard. [volume] (Ogden City, Utah) 1902-1910, 1909-07-28
THAW FIGHTS HIS VERBAL DUEL
WITH DISTRICT ATTORNEY
JEROME,

JEROME.
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personal enmity towards him. or did
| you think he was the kind of creature
that every decent man was justified
in putting out of the way"
There is no such thing rs a man
that every decent man should put out
OF the way"
Asked again why he killed White.
Thaw replied:
Really, / do not know
Thaw said his own choice OF an at
! torney for his first trial was Cover.
nor Hughes. because the jury would
| know that anv witness he put on the
stand would be truthful"
Jerome reviewed Thaw's frequent
change Of counsel.
The witness explained that his dis
| agreement with the firm of Black Cru
| Der & Olcott was due TO their deter
mination 10 try 10 acquit him on the
ground OF insanity. when he knew he
was not insane, He reiterated, how
ever, that he might have been insane
/ for n brief interval, when he killed
| White
You must remember" he remark
| ed. that these lawyers were influenc-
ed in their belief regarding my mental
condition. because they were told that
! the charges | made against White
were untrue"
But were they true?' demanded
Jerome.
They we're" replied the witness.
firmly.
why were you expelled from Har-
vard?' asked the district attorney.
Il was told | was not useful there.
and I and four or FIVE others were put
ont for studying q subject not in the
| curriculum"
WAS that an immoral subJeCt?'
Illegal, perhaps. but not immoral"
Mr.. Jerome did not pursue that
! subject but reverted TO the testimony
given yesterday by Susan Merrill,
| Thaws former landlady, in New York
| Thaw declared that when he first
learned that Mrs. Merrill was to go
on the stand. he was exceedingly
angry,
Il was told" he continued. that
Garyan, assistant district attorney,
got her ND In your Office and spat in
her face. and got her to tell a lot Of
! lies about me But, of course. ] don't
say this la true"
Thaw was in the midst of his tes-
! tlmony and apparently unruffled by
his ordeal when court took the noon
recess.
As he left the stand DR. Britton D
Evans, his chief alienist, and Mr..
Morschauser, seized his hand and
III
I splendldly. The prisoner went back
10 the jail 10 all appearances in a hap
py frame Of mind.
When the afternoon session opened,
Mr. Jerome asked Thaw;
in your opinion. are you now
sane?"
YES" said Thaw, and in other
persons opinion
The witness was shown the pamph-
lets prepared by his mother.
Did YOU believe the allegation, with
which this pamphlet opens, that a
cowardly combination of powerful men
existed against YOU was truc?" asked
The prosecutor.
Il thought my mother must have
been so informed, or she would not
have said it, was the reply
Thaw said he did not believe such
combination existed to conceal the
wrongdoings OF Stanford White and
his associates
How do you explain all the trou
, bic and expense that Mr., HartTidge
your former counsel. went TO, In OF
dor to get this whip that was pre-
sented Yesterday asked Mr.. Je
, rome.
He never went to any expense
answered Thaw, but he amended this
by adding that he had heard It hac
cost $40. OF which Harrdge paid hall
and Daniel ORellly half.
The witness said that. on one oc
casion. at least, he had deceived DR.
Evans. the alienist. though not inten
tlonally.
"At least he told me so the other
day." he added. "Dr. Evans nigh
have thought that the irritation / dis
played at this time indicated brain
storm. And / think Dr. Flint or DR.
Macdonald or any Of your alieni5t
might have made the same mistake"
Have YOU any reason 10 believe, a
ls hinted In your mothers pamphlet
said Jerome. that | was influence,
against you by malevolent motives?
NO, ] really don't think so.
Did YOU think I was Influenced b.
lnny other motive than q desire 20 pei
form my duty?'
"Well.-I did think You might hav
been moved BY n whim." answered I'll
witness, and he went on TO eXplai
that after his acquittnl he was tol
that Jerome had said that II he II
mainod iu the Matteawan asylum 10
z thirty days. he Gerome) would b
: satisfied. The man who told him this
he said. was his former attorney Rui
q sell Peabody. now dead.
e The first evidence given by Tha'
OF nny excitement was when Ierom
probed further into the events lea
, inr up 10 the shooting. and question
" ed him regarding his early relauo
+ with Evelyn Nesbit.
. The witness measured his wore
l. carefully with an evident desire
present this part OF his career In II