Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1908-01-23
TOLD HIM STORY OF HIS LIFE.
Patients Manner Had More to Do
With Forming Opinion Than
Looking Over Him Did.
DR.. Bailey Related How on Train
Thaw Kept Chatterinc Something
Like "Shasta, Shasta, Shasta"

New York, Jan. 2s.-The reign of the
expert began in the Thaw trial to-
day. DR.. Charles G. Wagner. superin-
tendent of the state hospital for the
insane, at Binghamton, N Y. was on
the stand during most OF the morn
ing session and told in detail of the
physical examinations he and DR.. b.
ID. Evans made of Harry Thaw in the
Tombs prison during the four months
Following the killing of Stanford White.
He was also allowed to repeat his con-
Versation with Thaw during the visits
to the prisoner. when the latter talked
about his life and about the alleged
criminal acts of Stanford White. Thaw
declared, according to Or. Wagner.
that he had never intended to attack
White but Providence took the matter
in hand.
There were a few new details in the
testimony. but in general, it was Il
repetition OF what he said last year at
the ilrst trial. DR., Wagner did not
express his formal opinion as to Thaw's
state of mind. this being left open an
I'll few other witnesses of facts have
been heard. Justice Bowling held a
conference with the attorneys as to
limiting the expert testimony ana it
was said it might be that each side
will use but two physicians, although
the defense is likely to call several
more in sur-rebuttal of any that ap-
pear in the states rebuttal case.
The defense has all of the experts
who testified for the prosecution at the
last trial under subpoena.
THAW's CHATTERING
DR.. Charles L. Bailey Of Albany who
arrived last night from the Island or
Jamaica, was the first witness called
today.
Dr. Bailey had attended Thaw on a
New York Central railway train be-
tween Hudson and Albany in April,
1866,
When / was called in to see him,
Thaw WAS chattering something like
Shasta, Shasta, Shasta; the Pennsyl-
vania runs into the New York Cen
trail He kept ON repeating this for
some time. His eyes were bulging and
he appeared unsound. / gave him
hypodermic OF morphine. When Thaw
saw the syringe he said, take away the
die stun was very close to him
and could not detect the odor of al
cohol"
On cross-examihatlon DR.. Bailey
said Thaw did not respond to interro-
cations, but rambled on incoherently.
His pulse was about 30.
The non-arTlval of the steamer Adre-
attic upset the plans of the defense
somewhat and prevented the calling Of
several witnesses, who are expected
from abroad DR.. Charles G. Wagner,
of Binghamton, n. Y, the alientist,
who began his testimony yesterday af-
ternoon, succeeded DR.. Bailey on the
stand
Dist. Atty. Jerome and Mr.. Litteton
had long argument as to the admis-
sibility of Thaw's statements to Drs.
Wagner and Evans IN the Tombs fol-
lowing the homicide. Mr. Jerome held
that those statements came under the
head of self-serving declarations. JUS
tice Bowling finally held that the state
ments were admissible as the basis for
the expert opinion formed by the alien
ists.
WHAT THAw SAID TO WAGNER.
DIR. Wagner repeated at great length
what ThAw had said
The prisoner told OF his efforts 20
have Stanford White punished by ap-
peallng 10 Anthony Comstock and Dist
Atty. jerome. He said he had not in
tended attacking White; that Provi-
dence took the matter in hand and
ended It in its own way, Thaw said
he had been followed by n gang of
thugs whom White had employed to en-
gage him in n street quarrel and kick
him 10 death.
Mr.. Thaw gave me history OF his
life" continued the witness. He said
he never got along very well at school
and once thought OF being a painter
In travelling abroad he had met some
pretty fast people, but had never been
dissipated man or much in the COM
pany OF women. He said he rarely
or never drank whisky alone. He al
ways wanted to talk of the wrongs he
said Stanford White had done and he
referred to those whom he termed
other rich criminals engaged in the
same practses.' His manner OF speech
was very rapid and at times inco-
herent"
on one OF his visits to Thaw. DIR
Wagner said the defendant was very
solicitous about drafts in the prison
and had a newspaper over the graf
| inRs IN the cell door Thaw said there
were people who hoped he would catch
| cold and die 80 the case would nevol
| come to trial and Stanford whites
! acts never would be known.
The physician witness went az length
into details OF the physical examlna
tlOn or Inc dtifNdhWl ny "a lehlt OF III
reflexes. cranlnl nerves., etc. Tho ties
| timony was repetition OF that glyel
| AZ the first trial rhaw's manner un
der examination was domineeriug nc
cordng to Or. Wagner who declared
| that tho manner ~ a patient under es
| animation had more To do with form
ing an opinion than the examination
| itself. Thaw passed "A good physlca
test, his reflex being normal Hl
pulse. however, varied In a remnrkabl
way, running IN the space OF minut
from rs 10 lO2 beats and then bacl
again.
FOLLOWING THAW
"rhaw said It was NOT the Monk
Eastman gang HAT had been employee
! TO follow him. tho witness went on
"And he said the reaEon MI Jerom
had not acted on his complaints abou
White WAS thar the district attorne
thought II the result OF jealousy pha'
said he met White in 1870. and ha
been Invited 90 one OF his parties !
Madison Square Garden tower II
Later saw White IN front OF the Me-
York theater Win q handsone gll
and was told she was Miss Evciy
Neshit and belonged TO sianior
White.
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