New-York tribune., 1908-04-25
BATTLESH[P DEBATE ON
STRONG PLEAS FOR FOUR.
Onlu IS TOtcs for Presidents Pro
grammc Expected IN Senate.
fFron The Tribune Bureau.

Z n.
nearly hours in the Senate to-day in advocacy
=, the four r-battieship programme. and made
sreech which had not all Senators made up their
minds before he began, might have some
ores Il had been hoped TO reach vote on the
amendment tonight. and Mr.. Beveridge announced
80 = was his purpose to close the debate.
come Of his statements radical and. the
,-ir,ou even OF some Senators who will vote for
80 amendment; likely To- create false impress
30, ecsrtitns foreign relations this country
-hs+ senators Aldrich and Lodge. and probably
others felt compelled 20 reply. and the debate will
continue tomorrow. II is expected now that the
so,r-shin amendment viii command about eighteen
votes
~ Hsie laid before the Senate a statement of
r,s-71eslips and other features Of the naval pro
s-snlTlc which showed. he said. that as large
-eet as j. in the Pacific be kept there. and
ar The same time there would be ships for still
Larger feet for the Atlantic There had u
rho-tzed. he said, including the authorizations
me ncndinc hill thir1y-one battleships and a great
many cruisers, many of them as large battle
ships
NJ Hale said that legislation had been recon-
-7ead56 being suitable and essential main
-afn our rank and dignity in view OF the fact that
Ire feet 10 visit Asiatic ports. perhaps Africa,
the Mediterranean and European ports While !
80 ror know" he continued that has positively
been stated that The feet is TO circuit the globe,
nav, -o GCuc- my mind that that is d part Of
ne plan. Go not know that any Senator has been
consulted about this plan and l do complain
4 IT, but ] say have authoritative in
formation snG have been in no consultation TO
What SHAH be done with the feet"
THE PRESIDENTS AUTHORITY.
HeryanE 10 an inquiry. he said the President
a. commander chief had command of the fleet.
and may o-der II where he Will IN the absence of
-sz and regulations. but, o. course Congress II
desired could regulate the control OF the fleet.
II DO not said M Hale see all the advantages
os -ae cruise seen Icy the Secretary Of the Navy
and me President. brt ] have never taken the
lev -ha- sending the feet around the world
-s--Qa-i0u. and can see some benefits from il
II tre vsv of dlscipl.ning the fleet | think the
Zee Is COINS around the world, and ] bid ii god
speed hoping that We shall get ont Of the expert
--er- without any complications. do fear
danger. a~ ] CO not think the people in any part
q .hs world where this viii 90 will be found
hostile -o and 60 no- fear the renotest proba-
l5--y pa~sibiiit: OF between any country
aI5 the United States For these reasons am
aisle 10 possess my soul peace about the mission
nj ina feet and free my thought by day and my
creams hy night from apprehensions III that re-
gard.
Tl- Presidents authority 10 send the feet abroad
caused discussion. in which senators Culberson
Ea.r-. Rayner and Hale took part. Nr Bacon slg-
zes--a- that when i came To sending such feet
a-rre5 l-e President was going very far in the
e-.-= ~ his power under the Constitution. He
--ra5 with Nj FiaTner and Mr- Hale that in the
-ts-.r7 of law enacted by Congress. the President
v-s --t eycr-d;7c his authority.
The President would have rhe power" Nj Hale
sad -n-r should Congress establish rules and regu-
----.-z -- conflict with his purposes the President
---z- -Ea-d 20 congress. But DO not think there
las been any case Of Presidential usUrpation'
1,- Lodge secuted the idea that the President had
----.5eL MS authority by sending the feet its
mission That was n said. what always had been
dor tv Presidents the only difference in this case
hst-g -ha- The feet * q large one. What could he
done Nth a small feet could be done with large
o-e he said He did believe in haEing any
co--,ir1ee Of Congress directing the movement Of
m ships q the navy.
PLEA FROM THE PACIFIC COAST.
Senator Piles OF Washington. said he came from
2 section of the country that must be the storm
Genre q any conflict in the Pacific Ocean. The
p-o-le Of the Pacific Coast were in favor Of four
ta--r=safps H sent 70 the Tice-Presidents desk
: z-z-ern=rr Of z vote of 162 editors attending q
--=@-irg IN Kew York. which, he said showed 126
n favor Of four batrleshps and the Presidents
policy ot naval expansion While he had never
h. --e Of those who feared var. Il could not he
denied h said mat there on the Pacific Coast
-----r+z- r~-5f-50- and the time coming
z-s~ ne people Of the country would have 10 face
---- ---df-ion The Pacific Coast had attracted
many Asa-ics who mad been reared IN q different
--z- <~o-7 -e people Of the United States There
~-es = r-ssfhIltry of clash between these people
s-5 -r5s- on IN Pacific Coast Under such condt-
-.--s he 6a-1z-ed men sometimes resort 10 arms
Thar mad nor occurred il the United States but II
had occurred in British Columbia He suggested
--zrf-5rf-E tlil@i4'
-e compelled f7- popular olamor 70 make declara-
-t-- var against its VIII ana II me nee' On
---- -~az- sro-,id le withdrawn the people there
~-.-@ na helpless the face of any attack he
--e~ NJ -ra l,r@o-rffed and undefended conditions
--.--s-e -r--e Ele would vote for four new ships
-e mare r-7ezs,.re and would rather be wrong IN
---.-z Tor -ou- than right in voting for two He
VS. zprlauded.
S=-a--- Nf~Crea-v. II advocating the four-hattIe-
shin zr.en- said that the nations of the world
were tr--esstr their nayies and, unless the United
Sites continued 70 increase its navy II would soon
md -.z- = was even second-class h4Fai
pr--e-. He favored great navy as an insuu-
r-=-ra.t-z OF peace b.t if'there shoul9 be war It
vr-'E re . naval war-
Mr. BETERIDGE'S SPEECH
Senator Fs.z-e~fdge advocated with great earnest
res -+- authorization Of bartesIips. declar-
--- -re- such Z course Mould favor peace in the
future rather than war He commented on the
-zez thar var not possible. saving that II ne
believed such : doctrine he would vote against any
re-r He insisted that war spranE up suddenly.
v-.- r-esz.atlons against II must DC MADE dellb-
e-a-e.v-
Citing me Trent incident. the Mafa affair IN
Eev C,~.gale and the Venezuela troubles, AIr BeV-
e--cEa Insisted that feeling develops from ap-
gar.r-.- r-if!n2 occurrences he suggested 'hah
5r -ss- ~ : conflict between Americans ana Jap
srsze in tats country resulting z lynching of
-sr-r-ze the nation might he face 10 face WIN
N--L.z, trouble. Speaking % the time when ne
visited J.uar i've years before the RuSso-J apaIese
va ~ said he then Was convinced that these
nations would have d conflict. and on returning u
this country consulted the Senator from Maine De
<ore 1.-sr.re magazine article giving MS coiVlo-
Ioas zs q result o. that conference ne sa41' ie