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The Manitowoc pilot. [volume] (Manitowoc, Wis.) 1859-1932, 1908-07-30
Fail TO NAME
CANDIDATES
DFMocPATIC STATE CONVENTION
GETS THROUGH IN SHORT
ORDER.
CAUCUS PICKS OUT TICKET.
Platform Is Adopted and State Commit
tee Asked to Assist IN Ticket
Making.

MILWAUKEE,, Wis, July -, BIOS
The Democratic state convention met
at the Alhambra thcatcr at NedneS-
day afternoon, in disregard of the PRE-
mary election law. ostcusihly TOR the
purpose of adopting a state platform
but really for the purpose OF inspiring
enthusiasm in the party ranks anu put
ting in nomination a slate Of candidates,
The feature Of the session today was
the political sermon preached hy VI. \.
Hoyt, newspaper publisher oil MI
waukee. who acted as temporary char
man. The speaker quoted literally from
the Bible and discussed the relations Oh
politics and Christianity, inilmatuS
that Christ if now alive would be a
Democrat. He assailed the Republicans
vigorously and laudcd the Democratic
party and Democratic ticket. lnclden-
tally lie discussed Socialism l'Tohi"I-
ton. panic among the brewers and hu-
merpus other topics.
The convention adjourned ut the close
of the temporary chairman.s speech unit.
Thursday morning.
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UPHAM IS APPOINTED.
Former Wisconsin Man Named as As
sistant Treasurer Of Republican
National Committee.

CHICAGO. ILL.,, July 2I.-Frank IL.
Hitchcock. chairman of the Republican
national committee, with the consent
and approval of George II. Sheldon, the
national treasurer, today announced the
appointment of Frederick W. Upham Of
Chicago as assistant treasurer. 1t was
also announced that Offices for Mr..
Hitchcock and his associates had been
secured in the new Harvester building,
:}4-3G Michigan avenue. This is block
south of the Auditorium annex where
the Democratic headquarters will be To-
Gated. Mr., IIitchcock's Offices will be
ready for occupancy August !.
one million copies of the speech of nc
ccptancc Of William Taft, as Republic
an presidential candidate, will be print
ed in pamphlet form for general distri-
button over the United States.
The distribution will be made chiefly
through chaimen Of Republican state
committees The bulk of this literature
will be sent to sections in which the re
suit of the election is looked upon as i'll
any way doubtful
Mr.. Upham is former Wisconsin res
idcnt, graduating from Kipon college.
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CRAZED BY NEW DRINK,
Winnebago Indians Threatened with
Extinction if "Mescale' Traffic
Is Unchecked

La CROSSE, Wis, July 21.-[ Spe-
ciaL IA strange new liquor, made from
"mescalc buttons" the flower OF plant
belonging to the cactus family, threatens
III time to wipe out the entire tribe Of
the Winnebago Indians. The drink is
strongly intoxicating, and is INDUCED IN
to an alarming extent by the redskins
Worse than the Intoxicating qualiues Of
the "mescale button fluid it leads to
insanity of II violent. form, saps the men
tally of the Indian and soon makes of
him a hopeless imbecile.
Congressman Esch has been appealed
to by the mission authorities here for
the purpose of securing congressional ac-
tlon to stop the traffic, and the facts
have been reported to the Indian com
missioner at Washington.
Inc Wisconsin, Indians first heard of
the drink through the Nebraska Winnie
bagoS.
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AUTO LANDS IN RAVINE.
Wealthy Chicago Tourists Have Narrow
Escape from Death Near
Racine.

RACINE, Wis, July Cd Special i
j. j. Harmon, one Of the wealthiest au-
tomobile dealers in the city of Chicago,
and his father came near being killed
this morning at the hill between this city
and kenosha. They had left Chicago
for trip to Milwaukee and when this
hill was reached they We're running at Il
high rate of speed. The brake refused
to work when the machine was on the
top of the hill and the large JO-horSe-
power Thomas machine went crashing
down over an embankment of 20 feet
and landed in a ravine or small river.
The machine did not capSize which saved
the occupants from being instantly
killed. Both were bruised and badly
shaken up.
The back of the machine was STAYED
in and the engine was damaged. II took
four horses and twenty men with Il
tackle and rope to pull it out of the
rayine.
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WAR ON SOFT DRINKS.
Sale of Stuffs Containing Benzoic Acid
and Benzoate Soda in Violation
Of Law

MADISON, Wis, July 25.-l Special. ]
j. q. Emery, state dairy and food
commissioner, in receipt of report from
DR.. II. w Wiley, chief of the bureau
of chemistry of the United States de-
partment of agriculture, and as the re-
suit of a perusal of it, intends to begin
vigorous campaign against benzoic acld
and bezoate soda, which are used in
making soft drinks. Mr.. Emery said
and DR.. Wiley's report makes it CON
stances deleterious to health. The laws
of Wisconsin prohibits the sale of food
containing added deleterious substances,
and DR.. iWley's report makes it con-
elusive that the sale of food containing
benzoic acid or bcnzoate soda is pro-
hihited by the Wisconsin law" declared
Mr. Emery.
Mr. Emery will order chemical test
of the soda and acid to be made and
prosecutions will follow in case of viola
tiOnS.
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MARSHFIELD TROUBLE.
Cement Sidewalk Maker Throws Trowel
at Stranger, but 1t Goes Through
Window.

MARSHFIELD, Wis, July 27.-[Spe-
cial. because stranger insisted on
walking across the new cement walk in
course of construction in front of the
Noll Hardware company's block, ignor-
ing the complaint of the owner, Mr..
Noll, that in addition to running the walk
he was making his chocolate toed Ok
fords look like 80 cents by sinking into
the soft cement up to his ankles, Louis
Larson, the cement layer, became en-
ragged at seeing his work so abused, and
In a fit of anger fired his trowel at the
intruder (Long BREATH 1t missed the
mark for which it was intended and
struck the large plateglass front of the
establishment, smashing it into smith
Greens and it is believed the Plateglass
Insurance company will hold Larson re-
sponsible.
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KILLS RIVAL In RAGE
FARMLAND PERPETRATES AWFUL
DEED NEAR NEKOOSA.
John Lynch Stays Andrew Nomenson,
Wounds Anna Sorenson and At
tempts Suicide.

/ GRAND RAPIDS. Wis, July "a
In jealous rage because he believed
that Andrew NOmenson was making adj
yances for the hand of Anna Sorenson,
/ John Lynch, a farm hand. shot and
killed Nomensou. "Wednesday night at
the S0rensOn farm near Port Edwards,
probably fatally wounded the girl, and
is himself IN prccarious condition as
a result Of attempted suicide
Both Lynch and NOmensUu were bach
e.Ors who had come to this county from
Chicago about six months ago, ami both
wcrL desperately in love with the girl,
Anna SDreu>On. who did their cooking
for them. Wednesday night Nomeusoh
went to the SOreuSOn Residence to IN
quirc OF the girl why She had not baked
some pastry that she had promised the
men. Lynch followed NomeuSou and
Iemlhdcd that he cease paying attention
to Miss SO?cnsOn. The two men quar-
relied, and Lynch, drawing revolver,
shot Nomcnson through the head twice.
In a wild frenzy he turned the gun
upon Miss SoremSon, firing point blank
IN her face. The bullet entered her
mouth, passing upwards into the skull.
The girl IS probably fatally wounded
Lynch then turned the gun upon MN
self, but the cartridge failed to explode,
and h" rushed from the house.
Going To Il neghboring farmhouse ne
asked for more cartridges The farmer
became suspicious, and Lynch IS said to
have confessed his crime and fed from
the house The farmer gave the alarm,
and Sheriff WEIGH and a posse OF farm,
ers started to scour the country to nm!
the murderer He was found by Rural
Mail Carrier Alfred Zero, about half Il
mile from the Sorenson farm, lying near
the road with several slashe, in his neck.
The cuts looked rs though h. had hrst at
tempted to cut his throat with potato
knife and later on had used a razor.
Sheriff WclCh was notified and brought
the murderer to Neloosa. While the
prisoner was on his way to the jail Il
mob of coo men assembled and 1t was
only the GOODNESS of Sheriff Wrlch that
saved Lynch from being lyuoA"d,
\ note il Lynch's room after the
tragedy read as follows:
Very sorry that | did it. Was full of
booze and crazy"
Lynch was removed to the county jail
ut Grand Rapids Thursday afternoon.
The doctors say that he will recover
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OMAHA GETS FEST
Despite Protest of Chicago Societies Ne
braska City Will Entertain
Bund in 1910.

LA CROSSE, Wis, July 27.-[Spe-
cial. AT the final business session of
the Saengerbund of the Northwest Sun
day, the 1910 saengerfest was awarded
to Omaha, despite the threats of the
Chicago societies that they would secede
from the organization if the Nebraska
city was given the convention. The
Chicago societies wanted the next fest
at st. Paul although that city was sup.
porting Omaha.
Otto W. Rohland, Madison, was elect
ed president of the bund, and q. L. ].
kieck, Milwaukee, was reelected secre
tary. Other officers elected are Peter
LauX, Omaha, vice president, and L. o.
kney, treasurer.
Resolutions were passed deploring the
progress of the prohibition movement
declaring it to be in restraint of personal
liberty. 1t is estimated that $4,000 peo-
pie took part in the final celebration.
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WISCONSIN OELLS
DEATH BLOW
FAMOUS SCENIC RETREAT NEAR
KILBOURN TO BE CLOSED
RAILROADS BLAMED.
DENIED EXCURSION RATES.
Nat. Wetzel, Lessee and General Man
ager of Dells Company, Says Hotels
Will Be Closed.
PASSING OF v+xTsRFu1 RESORT

MILWAUKEE,, Wis, July ~, 1908.
AS a /"ct result of the construction ,,,
which hA been placed upon state and
federal rate laws, by which all excursion
rates have been abrogated by the rail
roads in Wisconsin, the Wisconsin Dells
resort will be permanently closed within
the next thirty days; all the property OF
the Dells company will be offered for
sale. and the company which has OPP
Grated and conducted that famous natu-
raj scenic resort for nearly ten years,
will wind up its affairs there and seek
other and more remuneratiye fields OF
operation. The company cannot con
tnue on the losing basis upon which the
business is now being conducted.
Owns 600 Acres.
This statement was made in Milwau-
kee today by Nat. Wetzel, lessee and
general manager for the last nine years
of the Wisconsin Del!s company. This
company owns and has full control OF
600 acres along both sides of the Wis
consin river. in which the most famous.
and picturesque spots IN the de!ls are
located. 1t has operated the large hotel
and cottages in the dells, three miles
steamboats, which have Piled the river
between Kilbourn and the dells every
season for nine years, carrying thou
sands of sightSeers.
President Wetzel said that under
present railway conditions, the company
is losing money every day and has been
during all Of this season. This in no
way. can be laid to business conditions
in the country" said Mr.. Wetzel, las
have had more letters of inquiry from
large societies in various places in the
west and southwest with regard to eX-
cursion trips to the dells than l re-
ceived last season or during any recent
season. But when | replied to these in
quiries that our company was unable to
secure railway excursion rates for large
parties, except the legal rate of cents
Il mile. they naturally dropped the ques-
ton of the trip.
Roads Have Power.
1T is not because the Milwaukee
road cannot grant special rates to
large excursion parties to the dells,
as the law does not say that
roads cannot make any rate they may
wish, providing it is not more than the
legal . cents, but it is because the road
does not seem to care to go into the
excursion rate business, under the exist
ing laws. That it does not, means that
thus far this season our company has
had 80 per cent. less business than it did
last season and in previous seasons.
The company has hundreds of thousands
of dollars invested in the dells property,
and the stockholders naturally decline
to continue the enterprise at dead loss,
such as this years business is showing:
AS q result. the company has decided
to wind up its affairs, entirely; close the
resort permanently, and sell out to any
one with the money to buy and the
nerve to try to conduct a great scenic re-
sort in Wisconsin, under existing eondi-
tons"
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LYNCH WILL RECOVER.
Port Edwards Murderer Pronounced Out
of Danger-Talk Of Violence
Rife

GRAND RAPIDS, Wis, July %
Especial. John Lynch. who shot and
killed Andrew Nomenson, wounded
Anna Sorcnsou and attempted to kill
himself Wednesday night has been pro-
nounced out of danger by the attending
physician at the county Jail. Miss Sor-
enson is also on the road to recovery.
III day Friday crowds of men hung
around the county Jail here where Lynch
is confined, and threats of lynching the
murderer were frequently heard. Sheriff
night to be on hand if any attempt was
made by the crowd to kidnap Lynch.
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R0SENBLATT IS FREE
CHARGE OF ARSON AGAINST HIM
IS DISMISSED.
Ctate Fails to Produce Sufficient Evil
de2ce Against Accused Mer-
chant.

FOND DU LAC, Wis, July 90 Spe-
ciaL Isaac Rosenblatt, proprietor of
the Fair store, who was charged with
arson. was discharged by Court Com
missioner F. W. Chadbourne this morn
ing, by reason of the states failing to
prove that an oiiense had been commit
ted. District Attorney Husting, in his
argument, said that the state had intro
duced sufficient evidence to convict. Mr.
Rosenblatt, after MS discharge this
morning, said that he intended to re-
sumo business here as soon as possible.
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MISS HOOLEY BROWNS.
Side Perishes While on Vacation
Trip in Upper Wisconsin.

MILWAUKEE,, Wis, July %, 1908.
Miss Florence Hooley, daughter Of
George T. Hooley, 744 Marshall street,
persisted by drowning at Eagle River,
Wis, Friday night.
a telegram from Eagle River to The
Evening Wisconsin this afternoon says
that Miss Hooley and others of her
party went in bathing late III the after
noon. Her companions saw her sudden.
ly throw up her arms and shout. They
thought that she was joking at first, but
finally one of them caught at her skirt
and it was torn from her body. The
young woman then sank and the body
was not recovered until forty-tiye minutes
afterward.
The Milwaukee party including Miss
Hooley arrived on Monday for an outing
at the Shinggaukendol resort and they
were not familiar with the dangers of
the waters Miss Hooley was walking
in the water when she stepped into a
deep hole and was unable to save her
self
Mr.. Hooley arrived here today and had
the body of his daughter shipped IL
Milwaukee.
Born in Milwaukee.
Miss Hooley was 30 years old and
was born in this city on July 3, 1879.
She was the only child of George r.
Hooley, who is connected with the
Northwestern Mutual Life Insurance
company. The young woman's early ed
ucation was received in the public
schools after WHICH she entered Mil
waukee-Downer college, graduating aft
er four-year course. Last year she
was a teacher in the college, and de-
clined reappointment for next season.
She had accepted the position of indus
trial secretary at the Detroit Y. W. c.
\. and was to begin her duties there on
September l.
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TO POSTPONE MERGER.
Fox River Valley Electric Deal Not to
Be Put Through Until Mcmillan
Returns from Europe.

OSHKOSH. Wis, July 81 Special. ]
Negotiations for the proposed merger
of the Winnebago Traction company and
the Eastern Wisconsin Electric Railway
ana Light Company, will probably be
postponed until the return from Europe
of Emerson McMillin, the president of
the Winuebago Traction company. Mr..
McMillin lives in New York. The at
torneys for the traction company also
state that the sale Of the property of
the traction company under the mort
gage will probably not take place uutl!
Mr.. NIcMilliu's return. The sale was
scheduled for August 1.
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Dr. Evan r. Evans Dies at Racine.

RACINE, Wis, July 2I-Dr. Evan
L. Evans a leading veterinary surgeon
Of Racine, and father of Or. Chris
Evans assistant state veterinarian, died
sunday afternoon Of cancer Of the liver.
lie was born in North Wales III lS3G
For many years he lived in Utica, \. u.
and settled in Racine i'll 1874. He was
member of the Masonic fraternity and
served as alderman for four years. Five
children survive.
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RIDES WITH A CORPSE.
Nephew of Mrs. L. Schlegel, Marshheld,
Discovers Her Dead Body on Wis
cons!n Central Train.

MARSHFlELD, Wis, July 24.-I Spe-
cial. Sitting bolt upright in coach on
Wisconsin Central train between here
and Abbottsford, Mrs. l.. Schiegcl was
found dead by her nephew. Mrs, Schle.
gel and her nephew had been riding to-
gether, and it was not until he arose to
leave the train at AbbottsforI that the
young man discovered that he was rid
ing with corpse.
Mrs Schlegel was 20 years of age.
She was remarkably biz woman,
weighing 30 pounds. and special collin
had to be made to hold her body.
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Wisconsin Concern Refused License.

LINCOLN, Neb., July 25.-The Fra
,ornal Reserve association Of Oshkosh
has been refused license in Nebraska
because the showing of the company dis
closes that IN 1906 only three out O.
thirteen persons who attended q meet
inr of the governing body of the asso-
citation had been elected by the members
OF the organization
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TRAMPS ARE CAUGHT IN RAID.
Ten Hoboes Given Workhouse Sentences
by Green Bay Judge.

GREEN BAY, Wis, July 21.-T Spe-
cial "A resort in the town of Aliouez
was raided last night by sheriffs OIL
GERS and ten tramps, who have been mo
testing the residents for several days,
were taken and lodged in Jail. This
morning they were given sentences of
from six to sixty days in the workhouse
by Municipal Judge Monahan.
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MAYOR VE1oEs COAL CONTRACT
Oshkosh Executive Believes in Dealing
at Home.
OSHKOSH. Wis. July % rs

OSHKOSH. Wis. July % Especial
Mayor Bardcrob has flied his veto upyt
the action Of the council III awaraiu. q
Contract 70 q Chicago company for cOa
70 supply 100 tons II soft coal for III,
Oshkosh fire department lie state.
that his reason is that the city 81 Guild
wherever possible give 10 the Local bid
ders. II eaiso says that local cOmpaA!es
bid on a certain kind ~ coal ana Tia
bid Of ;he Chicago company was upon
another and cheaper grade.
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SECOND DAY.

1t WIS 9:4J o'clock whom Chairman
NJ \. Hoyt raped for order-iortI,nv
minutes after the time appointed. May e.
or Nulbcrger of WatertuWn, chairman
OF the committee on permanent organ
izatiou, submitted the report y li"tt
committee. naming T. l.. C.cary OF latte
willie for permanent chairman, ahl req
ommpuding that the temporary officers
other than chairman be made permanent
officers,
Delegate Cunningham raised point
Of order that the report of the committee
on credentials should be received lfHl
but withdrew the point when Chairman
How insisted that the permanent organ
i2ation should be effected first.
Congressman Weisse and Murphy
were named to escort Mr.. Clrary To the
stage. but Mr.. Weissc couldn't be found
and Peter j. MOnat was substituted III
his place.
At the conclusion Of his speech, Mr..
Cleary called upon Burt Williams OF
Ashland to preside over the convention.
Mr. Williams at once recognized Juhn
+. Docherty of La Crosse who offered
resolution in regard to the death OF the
mother Of Mr.. Cleary last night III Wat
kesha county.
This resolution explained the retire
meut of Mr.. Cleary and was unanimous
~ adopted by rising vote.
The report of the committee on crcden-
tials was then called for and on motion
of Patrick ii. Martin of Green Bay was
sent to the chair and adopted without
debate.
Reads Brief Platform.
Chairman !. J. Cunningham then read
the UiatfOrm as unanimously rcCommcud-
ed hv the committee on resolutions. Each
paragrauA was greeted by a round Of
applause, the plank in regard t. the
guarantee Of savings deposits being APP
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BURGLARS MISS ROLL OF BILLS.
Thieves Fail to Make Big Haul at James
Vile Library.

JANESNlLLE, Wis, July 21.-t Spe-
cial. burglars entered the library last
night and secured several dollars in
cash but missed a large roll of bills
which was secretcd in a Cubby hole.
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Oldest Resident Celebrates Birthday.

OSHKOSH, Wis, July III Special !
Mrs Martha Potter of this city today
celebrated her 95th birthday. Mrs.
Potter is probably the oldest resident
If Oshkosh She came here in 1917
when Oshkcth was an Indian settle
ment.
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Reads Brief Platform.

Chairman !. J. Cunningham then read
the platform as unanimously recommend
ed by the committee on resolutions. la"h
para graph was greeted by round 81
applause, the plank in regard t. the
guarantee Of savings deposits being APP
pareutly especially popular.
The platform was adopted unanimous
Is without debate
The Manitowoc pilot. [volume] (Manitowoc, Wis.) 1859-1932, 1908-07-30
CHAFIN WOULD USE
GUNS f ELECTED
PROHIBITION CANDIDATE TELLS
HOW HE MIGHT ENFORCE
ANTI LAWS
ANSWERS TAFTS STATEMENT.
Declares Republican Nominees Declara'
ton on Liquor Statutes Is an
Unsourd One.
lie CITES THE POLYGAMY LAW

Ell pASO, H., July 25.-Eugcne W.
Chatn of Chicago, candidate for the
presidency on the Prohibition ticket, in
addresses delivered in Woodtord county
yesterday, declared he will, if elected
and finds ii necessary, Use the regular
army and the navy to enforce antl-Aluor
laws
If | am elected President Of the
United States on the 3D. Of November
declared Mr. Chain, have a Congress
which will pass a prohihitory law. and
there are any communities that refuse
to obey the law and the civic authorities
are unable to enforce it. shall use the
power conferred upon me by the con-
sitntipu and call out the militia, the
standing army, and the navJ and en-
force prohibition Ola every inch Of terri
cory under the American flag.
II think can make as many speeches
as Mr.. Bryan without as much effort or
cXhuuStiOu,' said Mr. Chain, after his
strenuous day, "anl, incidentally, / am
not going To overlook Nebraska IN the
campaign
Mr. thain devoted much of his talks
10 d.sSectiug and replying to an utter
aucc of William II. Taft, and what the
water wagon caudidatr' said was Of
decidedly more sensational nature than
expected.
Calls Taft Statement Unsound.
Here is widely quoted statement
made by Mr.. Taft, Republican candidate
for the presidency said Mr. Chahn.
1T was made by him on page it Of his
book, -Four Aspects of Civic Duty as
follows, Nothing is more foolish, Moth
Ing more utterly at variance with sound
public policy, than to enact law which,
by reason of conditions surrounding the
community in which it is declared to be
a law, is incapable Of enforcement.
Let mr tell you that No man who was
ever candidate for the presidency ever
uttered a more unSound statement. Upon
that basi, Mr.. Taft would have opposed
the enactment Of the fifteenth amend.
met 70 the constitution because the p"v-
pie in the south were not prepared to
cnforc" the law giving the colored man
the right To suffrage. Sentiment there
today is such that the cOlOred man does
not have the opportunity To vote. 1t has
been a dead law for many years. OF
course Mr., Taft would advocate the
immediate abrUgatiUn of the fifteenth
amendment -- >...