The Montgomery advertiser., 1908-11-20
ROCKEFELLER
 TALKS MUCH
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ness and secure lubricating trade.
 want to bring to your attention
 the Empire Transportation Company
 and what its relations were" | The company was the owner of cars
 and 7transporters of oil and other pro-
 ducers on the Pennsylvania Railroad.
 As We understand the company was | controlled by Pennsylvania interests.
 The company had been gathering pipe
 lines in the oil regions."
 The company" said Mir. Rockefel-
 Ter, also engaged in the refining of
 oil. controlling the Some Fleming i'm
 terests here and a refinery in Phila- delphia."
 "what conditions came about in | company"
 Railroads and refining interests
 were disturbed. There was great cut
 ting of rates. The refining interests | were disturbed, as were the railroads. | which laid considerable stress on the share of oil they should carry"
 What relations would be affected | on the New York Central. Erie. Atian- | tic and Great Western and Baltimore and Ohio. by the Pennsylvania having
 a refining businessr'
 1 '~They were much concerned as to | what loss of the oil trade to them would follow and there was heavy cut ting of rates"
 An adjournment was taken until 2 | o'clock.
 Chatz With Reporters. During the intermission. Mir. Rocke- feIIer chatted with the newspaper men about the care of his health. He said:
 "When I was a young man. used to work day and night, but never forget that I had a stomach. You can work long hours if you are careful about what you eat. l was always careful about what put into my stomach, ana today I have cause to be grateful TOT It. I never felt in better health than today, as a result of rigidly adhertng to a policy of a careful diet, when l was a boy advise anyone who wants to keep his health to do the same. Then when you young men get to be 70 years old. you will be able 1 to keep up your work.
 "For the last twenty years. I have kept out of doors as much as possi- ble. and to that practice, coupled with careful diet, attribute my excellent health"
 Asked if sitting in the witness chair giving testimony for such long pe- riod tired him. he replied:
 Not in the slightest. It has not begun to grow irksome yet" Resuming his testimony after the recess, MT. Rockefeller said that when the Empire Transportation Company was organized "our interests presented the matter to the railroads and pro- tested to the Pennsylvania. We stop ped our shipments over the PennsyIva- nia and used other lines." he con- tinued We objected to the Pennsylva- mia engaging in the refining business. We objected to the Pennsylvania en- gazing in the refining business. We did not know whe ere we stood They were shipping their own oil over their own lines and discriminating against us. Other railroads agreed to stand by us, but there was much bitterness 1 between the railroads. We made our ] shipments over the Lake Shore, New York Central and Erie. Afterwards. we purchased the Empire Transporta- tion Company and the pipe lines to which have referred. The Penn sylvania Railroad acquired the cars of the Empire Company and Issued car trust certificates. which we purchased" |" MT. Rockefeller's counsel asked him | if 1t were true that the rates obtained by him, during the period of the stand ard OiIA Company's war with the Penn sylvania Railroad were to crush and cripple the Empire Transportation Com pany so that the Standard oil might acquire its property.
 It is not" replied Mir. Rockefeller. 
 Mir. Rockefeller said that when the transaction was completed and the Pennsylvania stopped refining, the rail- road war stopped. and an agreement was entered Into between the railroads whereby they obtained a percentage of the oil carrying trade. The Standard Oil interests were called upon-to make those arrangements effective. The witness said that the war between the railroads to obtain the oil trade would be demoralizing to the oil business. MT. Rockefeller's attention was then liam Rockefeller and Thomas Scott, President of the Pennsylvania Rail- road, which had been approved by all the oil-carrying railroads.
 DiviROn of Traffic.
 "Sometimes in seeing that the exact diYfson of the trafac was being car ried out we shipped our oil to our shipped 1t more profitably by other line" said Mir. Rock efelleF.
 We had nothing to do with the di- vision of trafic which the railroads determined upon"
 MT. Rockefeller said that the com pany guaranteed the Pennsylvania Railroad a certain number of barrels of oil a year and in consideration the railroad company guaranteed to pay back ten per cent of the rate on the oil shipped.
 He then told of tho purchase of the Camden Company of Parkersburg, and the Pool Refining Company, also of that city. The Camden Consolidated Company was organized to take over both properties.
 MT, Rockefeller said the Standard began acquiring the pipe line interests in 1873 and increased its ownership from time to Sime until 1877 when they were assembled into the United Pine Company. The Standard also had the American Transfer Pipes. The pipe line was regarded as an impor- tant adjunct.
 MT. Rockefeller then described the grouping of pipe lines into a system to carry the oil of the wells to the railroads before the Trunk Line Sys- tenn was established. There were many small systems which could noS reach the oil wells' because of financial Inability to construct new lines. It was brought home to him, MT. Rocke- feller said, that the improvements were necessary and as the oil supply increased new pipe lines were built and tanks erected
 'It was a big undertaking and very interesting" said MT. Rockefeller. >"It was necessary to see that there should be no waste of oil and no delays. Wherever there was oil we had men to take care of 1t. Our conservative men felt that we should not go into such expenditures but our men in the field came in and made pressing de-