The evening world. [volume] (New York, N.Y.) 1887-1931, 1908-11-20
Oil King Cannot Recall' Many Important
Matters Connected With the Early
Relating Practices of His
Great Corporation.

had already received. was then rcceiv
ing and meant to receive thereafter I
secret rebate or drawback OF which
other shippers Of crude petroleum knew
nothing? Doesn't 1t state that YOU ar,
TO be privately benefited hy rat,
which your competitors did not enjoy
and of which they could not hope tC
learn?''
"Oh. MIR, kellogg. / would not under
take TO put such an Interpretation OF
the language you have quoted" said
MIR. Rockefeller In hurt, grievet
voice.
Didn't that agreement. taken with
the letter of Daniel O'Day to Mr.. Cas-.
satt, show plainy that standard oil
got a proportion of what It's rivals paid
In addition to what ii got as a rebate
on payment Of freight rates for its own
oilY''
II wouldn't say that Mr.. Kellogg"
said Mr. Rockefeller. dwelling longing
ly on his words. Il really couldn't say
that"
IF your company was receiving re-
bates that were not paid to other ship
pers you would know it, wouldn't
your
II cannot answer that"
but you wouldn't have accepted re-
bates unless the matter were known
TO other shippers would you as mat
ter OF fairness TO them
well. can't answer about ques-
ton of that kind at this date
There was a good deal OF agitation
over this subject of rates at that time
was there not. Mr.. Rockefeller
There was agitation from time TO
time, but / am unable to fix any date.
Yes. I believe there was some agita-
ton"
Took "No Active Part"
The witness said that he had not taken
part In the freight negotiations at the
time referred to- He had been party
to the agreements, but had not taken
any active part in framing them. He
couldn't recall Cassatt's testimony on
the subject, and he couldn't say
whether Cassatt's statements were true.
Mr.. Kellogg spent some time reading
Cassatt's testimony, but all he got for
his pains was this gentle answer:
II can recall nothing OF what you
say"
why is II you can remember that you
got ten. per cent. rebate under your
agreement, and cannot remember the |
larger sums which the record shows you |
received?'
Il presume my attention was particu-
larry recalled to the first matter
WAS II fact that the Pennsylvania
r., Co. did refuse to ship for other
at the same rates they ship
ped for the Standard unless the other
shipped the same amount of
oil as the Standard
Again the witnesses, memory was
blank. He took refuge in his favorite
reply. II cannot recall. Mr.. Kellogg"
"Is 1t possible that Your company
could be concerned in so large deal
and so much litigation without you hav-
Ing some definite knowledge and re-
I'm a general way l recall that there
was some litigation. As TO these other
things. ! cannot say"
Mr.. Kellogg went into the secondary
agreements by which the Trust got con
troll of various railroad terminals for
The purnose of controlling the oil
shipped to and from those points. The
, ,
refreshed on these agreements.
The New York Central and Lake
Shore delivered at the Hunters Point
erninals which you leased, all the oil
,arried over those roads. whether
shipped by the Standard Oil or any
'ther company" Mr.. Kellogg asked.
I'll do not recall exactly the ware
rouse conditions. We warehOused the
,il at these terminals
At the next question. Mr.. Rookie
-eller's memory stage cred once more.
He could only remember that his com
oany had charged warehouse fee to
'thers whose oil was shipped to the
Standards terminals.
"A Legitimate Charge"
"A legitimate warehousing chfrge,
assume" the witness finally said en-
phatically.
Doesn't the agreement show that in
addition TO giving you r.ba;e on your
vi and everybody else's oil the rail-
'oads forced the opposition oil COM
Dan!es to land their OH in your ter
nina,s and give You the benefit of the
~aleHuusnB cnarse"'
That was thirty years ago and cant
emember assume we collected fair
Ind legitimate rcLoilsel &c hare from
he independent compIntes"
"You didn't warehouse their oil free
II CHARGE"
II have never heard that 1t vas ex-
'ected that a business concern should
lot charge for "A given service"
That ! could not say"