Daily Kennebec journal., 1908-12-22

replied Mr.. Carnegie deliberately, wit
Mr. Gladstone, who has had more ex
perience with the income tax than an
man of his day--that an income ia.
makes a nation of liars"
you agree with Gladstone in that?
interjected Mr.. Payne. IT do the stee.
magnate replied.
80 do L." said the chairman
"If you want to do harm with money,
give it away to those people who will
not struggle for themselves was one OF
Mr.. Carnegie's epigrams THAT applies
to the tariff on STEEL he added. Il
think the men who can make three or
four dollars more profit than Il lazy, in-
ert corporation management should be al
lowed to make that profit-for his coun-
tlys good" was an opinion expressed by
Mr.. Carnegie when being questioned with
regard to what he considered a reasonable
profit.
Mr. Carnegie said he wanted it under
stood that his statements represented his
opinion solely. He said that he came be-
fore the committee because he had been
summoned and that he gave his testimony
because he thought it his duty as an
American citizen.
Pressed with questions from all sides.
MI Carnegie arose from his seat ana
dramatically declared that he was pro
tectionist. Il dc esire,'' he said, TO fur
nish 10 the consumer cheaper supply
and mora regular supply than ne couiG
get abroad, and if after q years expe-
rience we cannot develop steel with that
condition, chr protective policy IN that
instance would have been fatl.re in
stead of the triumphant success it has
become"
Pointing his finger at the committee
ard raising his voice to its highest ritcn
he declared that the steel industry was
now in the position where it can say.
Take your protection. We are now men
ana we can beat the world in the manu-
facture of STEEL
."rherc IS no reason for the tariff on
STEEL" he again emphasized. you should
not coddle the industry with protection
Mr. Carnegie said that the Welch
manufacturers can make a ton of tin
plate shade cheaper than ii can be
made here and that the cost of manu-
featuring steel is greater in Great Bri-
tain than here. He said that the com
mittee should send experts familiar
with the steel industry to the large
mills of Europe to study the question
of comparative cost Of labor. They
will be received by the foreign manu-
facturers with open arms. he added.
Representative Longworth asked the
witness: What / want 10 know IS
what authority besides the testimony
given by you and Judge Gary. who J
don't think went as far as YOU 90. have
for taking the duty off of steel?'
Mr.. Carnegie pointed out that there
is practically no foreign made steel I'M :
ported in this country. "Other parties
are not exporting here because they
have an International agreement, rs
your consuls says.
Representative Hill of Connecticut
was desirous OF learning more Of the
alleged international agreement pc
tween Germany. England and Ameri-
can steel manufacturers and about the
reputed agreement between steel in
terests and the railroad companies as
to the price of steel rails but Mr.. Car
negie could give little testimony Of
yalne with regard to either Of these
matters.
Mr.. carnegie told the committee that
it must not base its conclusions upon
the comparison of the cost OF labor IN
this country and abroad as furnished
by witnesses IF it takes two men IN
Great Britain to turn out as much steel
as it takes one man here, with our
modern appliances, the difference
would not be SO great" was his argu-
ment THE cost OF producing rails at
Gary won't be half as much as in Eng
land notwithstanding the cheaper cost
Of labor abroad"
Mr.. Carnegie expressed great pleas
ure when Rep. Calderhead brought up
the subject of structural steel. Il wish
the chairman could hear me-" he said
before taking up the new subject. Mr.
Payne was in whispered conference
with Mr. Dalzell and after other mem
bers of the committee had succeeded
in getting him to give his attention to
the witness, Mr.. Carnegie explained
his views on the duty on structural
steel by taking the construction of a
modern skysc,aper as an example.
Mr.. Carnegie had planned to leave fol
New York on an afternoon train. but
when MIR. Payne asked him if he desired
to continue his testimony TODAY or would
appear before the committee again to-
morrow, the Laird Of Skibo sent word tC
his servant to arrange for him to stay
in Washington tonight. t-
II consider it my Gutv as a citizen tc
remain here week if necessary" said
Mr. Carnegie.
Representative Cochran of New York