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Der Deutsche correspondent. [volume] (Baltimore, Md.) 1841-1918, 1908-04-19
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Der Deutsche correspondent. [volume] (Baltimore, Md.) 1841-1918, 1908-04-19
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Der Deutsche correspondent. [volume] (Baltimore, Md.) 1841-1918, 1908-04-19
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Der Deutsche correspondent. [volume] (Baltimore, Md.) 1841-1918, 1908-04-19
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Der Deutsche correspondent. [volume] (Baltimore, Md.) 1841-1918, 1908-04-19
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Der Deutsche correspondent. [volume] (Baltimore, Md.) 1841-1918, 1908-04-19
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Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
international Good Templars.

WASHINGTON, June 2.-Dele-
gates from several European coun-
tries are gathered with American
and Canadian members in the in
ternational meeting of the Independ-
ent Order of Good Templars, which
convened today. Questions connect
ed with temperance education and
legislation will be discussed at
length during the convention, which
will continue to next Tuesday and
will be followed by the national
meeting of the order, lasting until
June 10. From here the delegates
will go to Saratoga, N. Y, to take
part in the centennial celebration of
the founding of the first temperance
society.
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
FOR SALE
l2O Acre Fruit Farm

II you are looking for a good buy and a ranch
worth the money read the following:
40 acres in cultivation of which % acres is under
irrigation. Perpetual water right of your
own, A water system with good pressure
piped in house.
10 acres Of strawberries. one acre of which pro-
dueed 81, 90 In two years. $40 worth of ber-
ries sold from this place last year
$50 bearing fruit trees of good varities Trees
about or years old.
New room dwelling house. 5 room bunk house,
barn 32x52, barn l6x24 chicken house 18X24,
cellar 10X20, besides other Outbuildngs,
3 head mileh cows, yearling, 1 handy wagon,
| Mccormick moving machine and rake, 6
haTTOws. plOws, lot of machinery for taking
care OF straw berries, lot of garden tools 1
road scraper, household furniture, carpets and
pictures, tons hay, 30 fine chickens.
100 600 feet OF saw timber.
This IS and has the reputation OF being the best
ranch on the Occur d'Alene River. Three
miles from railroad station, one-half mile from
steamboat LANDING.
Party owning this ranch must sell on account
Of health and will greatly sacrifice same.
PRICE and TERMS $4,000 for land and eqrlp-
ment. 81 800 cash, balance in one, two and
three years. Come in and talk 1t over.
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02

The citizens Of this city should
give the fair enterprise their hearty
cooperation and support. The organ
ization Of an association with annual
fairs and race meets would prove one
of the best advertisements that the
city could obtain in connection with
a business enterprise that will bring
dividends to the investors. Thou
sands Of people would be drawn to
the city 10 spend several days each
year and business OF all kinds would
feel the stimulus resulting therefrom.
II is a business proposition that
should not be overlooked and we can
not afford to let It die for want Of a
little push and interest on the part
Of the business men and citizens.
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
TOMORROW is the eventful day with

Tomorrow Is the eventful day with
the democrats OF Idaho. There will
be a principle at stake which the
party cannot ignore. For four years
It has taken high stand for the
enforcement OF the laws against
polygamy and its kindred crimes. II
these crimes are countenanced or
practiced by members of certain
church that Is no reason why the
party should discontinue It's fight for
decency and the American home. No
true citizen can AFFORD to go on record
as opposed to the enforcement OF the
constitution as It has been construed
by the supreme court and as opposed
to the interference of any church in
the politics Of the state. That much
the Dubois supporters should insist
on to save the party from humiliat-
ing position Of inconsistency. In the
election OF delegates to the national
convention a compromise between
the factions ought to be effected by
the election OF prominent men from
both. On this basis the internal war
ought to be eliminated and the party
be placed In a position to make
fight for victory this fall. Bryan
has carried Idaho twice and with a
united party he can carry 1t a third
time and the state government may
be placed in the hands OF men who
will have the interests of the people
at heart. On the result OF the con-
vention which meets at Twin Falls
tomorrow will depend the success or
failure of the democratic party in
this state.
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
TRY BANKERS SOON
F. Augustus Heinze Accused Of Over
Certifying Checks.

Certifying Checks.
NEW YORK, June 2.--It is an
nounced that the trials OF Charles
w. Morse, F. Augustus Heinze and
Alfred H. Curtis, on charges con-
nected with their conduct Of New
York banks, will begin in October.
All three have pleaded not guilty to
the indictments against them.
Curtis was formerly president and
Morse vice-president of the National
Bank of North America of this city.
They are accused of conspiring to
deceive the bank examiners by maxi
ing false entries in the banks books
to conceal loans alleged to have been
obtained in the stock of the American
Ice Company and the Consolidated
Steamship Company, in which they
were interested.
Heinze is accused of over-certify-
ing checks to the amount of $437,-
900 as president of the Mercantile
National Bank for the benefit of the
firm of Otto Heinze & Co., of which
his brother was a member.
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
To Reform Delaware.

WILMINGTON. Del, June A.
Simultaneous conferences. under the
auspices OF the National Reform as
ISOLATION. commence today in this
city and Dover. with the object OF
making Delaware dry" state. The
conference also seeks to forward the
movement for the introduction Of
Bible principles In civil government.
the revival Of a national religion. and
the cure OF divorce evils.
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
FUNERAL OF sIoUx BnAvE.
Solemn Rites Of Indians Over Body Of
Dead Comrade.

WALLA WALLA, Wash, June / !.
Followed to his last resting place,
in the city cemetery, by 10 Sioux
braves. mounted on their pinto pom
les, without a tear being shed, with
no pailbearers, not word spoken,
Charge Eagle. handsome even in
death, was buried this afternoon at
3 o'clock. In war paint, their strik-
Ing colored blankets glaring in the
evening sun and their great masses
OF feathers waving gracefully in the
sharp breeze, silently the 10 com
panions of the dead Sioux, in single
file, followed the hearse through the
streets, the rear being brought up
by half dozen circusmen in car
riages. Nothing similar in funeral
corteges has ever been seen here, and
hundreds Of people gathered along
the route to witness the spectacle.
The Indian braves viewed the body
Of their dead friend for the last time
at the undertaking parlors, silent
grief being expressed by passing the
right index finger over the right eye.
Passing out without uttering a word,
they waited In the street for the
hearse to move, and falling in behind
followed their dead a mile to the
open grave. Yet on every face could
be seen traces Of sorrow, suggestions
of doubt. At the cemetery the braves
dismounted while the body was low
cred by the undertaken and the lid
of the box adjusted, and then the
mourners remounted to return to the
circus grounds. With military pre-
cision every move was made.
Charge Eagle was murdered in
Pendleton Saturday night, after a per-
Torrance by the Sells-Floto show,
being struck on the head by blunt
instrument in the hands of party or
parties unknown according to the ver-
dict of the coroner's jury today. The
story Of drunken brawl was told by
M. Weber, in charge of the Sioux
with the circus. and by C. A. Sanders,
canvas man. Late at night fight
occurred, and cries of murder
brought men out of the cars, to find
two Indians, Charge Eagle and Black
Eagle, lying by the railroad track
near the circus train, unconscious
Both were placed in cars and brought
here during the night.
Before his drunken stupor left
Charge Eagle, he died from the blows
on the head. Black Eagle is report
ed on the way to recovery. The
Sells-Floto show carried a special
Indian act using 10 braves, four
squaws and three papooses. The
case today showed that no physician
was carried with the big aggregation
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
To Nominate Congressman.

sHELBYvILLEE, Ind. June a.
For the iirst time In years there will
be real fight for the democratic
nomination for congressman Of the
Sixth district In the convention here
tomorrow. The district has long been
solldly republican, but this year the
democrats are hopeful of success.
The leading candidates for the nomi-
nation are Cicero s. Northern of
Greensburg and F. M. Alexander of
Brookline. with several dark
horses" also entered.
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
black Hand AIethods.

a
An Italian Of prominence in the best
circles OF his countrymen In New York
states In the North American Review
that there is no Black Hand society
IN the United States II Is extremely
unlikely that this gentleman knows
what he Is talking about II any peo-
pie on earth know how to act In secret
tie Italians are such people. Secrecy
Il born In them, and a Black Hand
society would not make itself known
70 the class OF Italian jewellers here
which this writer represents.
Whether there Is an organised gang
here or not. deeds are committed al
most every day In districts populated
with Italians which are black enough
20 have been lnstigated and executed
By the most hardened desperadoes Of
Naples and sicily. The criminals pro
teri each other and appear to be pro
tscted by some Of their own nation
allty, who. II they do not use the dag.
Ger and the threat themselves. share
IN the proceeds Of plumber and black
mail. There are at least 100000
honest Italians now In this country,
and their true policy Il not to deny
the existence OF bands OF desperadoes
here made up OF natives OF Italy, but
to cooperate with the authorities to
run down and deport every man with
criminal record and TO keep all Of
that class beyond our borders.
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
rhe saloon h sw,t.erland.

AMW GWAUtn IA GNNhNANEAAHUs
Consul Mansheld's report from Luz
cerne upon the system Of controlling
the saloons In the republic Of swltzer-
land Is Of special interest at this time.
Every canton Is locally governed and
regulates the number OF saloons or
bars, granting licenses according to the
locality. In some towns and cities
there may be one saloon to every 200
inhabitants and IN rural districts only
one to 1000 people or even more.
Tho license fee varies and in the
canton OF Lucerne ranges from $40 up
% 1890 per annum. All revenue from
the traffic Is devoted to school and
road purposes.
The rules governing the saloons In
Switzerland are very strict, ana any
infringement results in a forfeiture OF
the license. AS the number Of Il.
censes II restricted, the possession OF
one constitutes a valuable franchise
and the holder Is bound by self inter
ost to obey the law. The consul states
that. while drinking is general among
the men Of Switzerland. drunkenness
Il rare and confined almost entirely
TO touring foreigners This means
that the irresponsible element abuses
the saloon privilege. and It IL this ele-
ment chiefly which has brought the
saloon under the ban Of public opinion
IN this country.
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
Houses and Lots

New six room house and lot In fine location,
worth $1,000. owner must sell and win Sacri-
fee same You can buy il for .......-... $1,000
from High school, Lots worth the price. Look
this up ut once. Only. ................. $1,000
Eight room house and two lots, one block from
high school. Look this up. A good buy when
only ........ ....... .................. $26JO
We have houses and lots in all parts of the city.
Call up phone No, and we will show you.
The ride will do you good.
House and lot on Occur d Alene street, two
blocks east of Catholic Aeadamy. Will sell on
easy TERMS $40 cash, balance $40 per month,
only OBSERVATION-DISCLOSURES. ............. $3.50
THEE lots corner 18th and Sherman streets
only NEUTRALITY-SUSPICIOUS.. 5000
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
Labor Unions Unite.

CHARLESTON, S. c.. June a.
The first annual convention of the
South Carolina State Federation of
Trade and Labor convened here to-
day. Delegates have been sent by
nearly all the labor unions of the
state and it is hoped to make the
South Carolina federation one of the
strongest in the South.
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
Iowa Masonic Meeting.

CEDAR RAPIDS, Ia, June A.
Masons OF Iowa assembled today In
Cedar Rapids for the e5th annual
communication OF the grand lodge.
which was opened this morning with
a public program. The address OF
Grand Master r. NJ. Hunter and re-
ports from the grand lodge oflclaIs
occupied the business session, Elec-
ton OF oficers win take place to-
morrow. and they win be installed
Thursday morning.
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
40 Acre Chicken
Ranch

II you want to buy Chicken Ranah we have
the best proposition in Northern Idaho or the
Northwest. You can buy this plant for fifty
cents on the dollar. few figures as follows
may convince YOU:
40 acres land Observation-Disclosures. 50 600
Barn new. Observation-Disclosures. ......... 1000
Chicken Northumberland. 900
Bro0der house. ....-.....s...., ............ 300
Engine house and machinery ............. 600
Dwelling house and other buildings, tools
and equipment necessary for the plant 1 600
Real value OF plant. ............. $11 600
THIS plant adjoins Dalton Gardens on east and
can be Irrigated from spring at a small cost the
water now being piped into the plant. About
two acres Of a ten acre lake makes this an ideal
place for ducks raising.
Come and talk 1t over with us. 5000 will buy
II. $500 cash. balance ON time.
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
Snap in Lots

Three lots, corner 18th aud sherman, north
front, Only -...-.... ...........,. -. 81 900
Lot in Government Garden 62ibN12Tls fine
soil, nice and level. worth $3.50, only. $50
Two iots on sherman street, six blocks from
City Han. Only .................... SLIM
Business lot on sherman street, and the best
Investment In Occur d'Alene. Investigate the
price for IL will surprise You.
We have lots on the installment plan In the
best residence locality of the city Why nav
TentG laket Shore addition Forest Heights
addition o,Brien's addition. Let US show you
the ride " i'll do you good. Phone Bell No /
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
Acre Tracts

We are owners and sole agents for the best and
most desirable two acre tracts north of the
city. City water for two years free with a
tract. Located ON the Hayden Lake electric
line- No city taxes but every city cOnven-
fence. $50 down and $40 per month win buy
home and the land viii pay Tor ITSELF Come
IN and let Us take You out to look them over
The ride will do You good.
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
PalaCeOf
....SWeet
III N. Fourth St.

liz NJ EOuEtA 90
There is a complete :
faction in every spoontl
ice cream we serve. ~
the only kind we serve
has the smooth, rich tasl
pure Jersey cream, flaw
with best vanilla bean
Our Sundaes are mao
the best fresh fruit.
You try us once yOu|
on steady.
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
Sold Last Week

6-room bungalow, corner 18th and Occur
d'Aiene streets. ............,....... Al an
Let on Occur d'Alene between 1sth and
18th SITS ..-........ aao
Tracts l. ., . and in Freewater Acre
Coeur d'Alene evening press. (Coeur d'Alene, Idaho) 1907-1929, 1908-06-02
City Property

S21OO--Will take this block fronting on Fourth
| and Miller streets, with a good broom resi-
| dence; two nice porches; good woodshed, poul-
/ try house and yard 26 assorted fruit trees all
| in hearing Size of lot, las feet fronting
| Fourth street and l4O rect TonunS on Miller.
| This is a bargain.
S5OO-Will buy two fine lots, one of them corner.
in North Park addition; good location.
| S1375-Takes six fine lots, in Taylor addition, two
| of them corners. A fine investment.
| S5OO-Takes corner lot, very close in, in one of
the most desirable residence sections Of the city.
s2OO-Each will take 4 lots fronting Fourth
| street. Terms to suit.
Ss5O-Will buy buy this fine level lot, fronting
60 feet on Fourth street, by $50 feet deep,
with city water piped the full length OF lot,
home, and only six blocks north of the postofhce.
$125O-Will buy four level lots on Lakeside ave
nue. one of them corner. Will sell separately
or together. Good investment.
S45O-Two nice lots in Lakeshore addition. A.
bargain.
S15OO-Takes ten lots; four of them 52hx105
feet and six of them 60X105. This is splendid
chance for good investment
SsOO-Wir buy five splendid lots, one of them
corner, if sold separately, $175 for the inside
lots and 5000 for the A snap
$175-Each will buy two fine corner lots fronting
on Third street Terms to suit.
S16O-Each will buy four lots fronting Fourth
street. Terms to suit.
S675-Will buy very fine lot fronting on Wal
lace street Very close in. This is snap.
S5OO-Will take this corner lot one block from
city high school. Another snap.
We have many more beautiful residence locations,
in all parts of the city and new additions.
The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1908-11-21

want to see the best team win.''
I'VE are going to play good hard
game said Coach Weede. I'VE have
a good fighting chance and will make
the most of it. We hope to win and
will put up the strongest game of the
season.
All the officials for the game are
here, and the game is running as
smoothly and with as little friction as
any game seen in Topeka this season.
1t is also by far the largest crowd. The
eleven hundred from Manhattan is
swelled by a greater number from
Washburn and Topeka. The advance
sale of seats is the largest of the sea-
son.
Before the game and at every oppor-
tunity during the game, the Manhattan
rooterS on the east side of the field and
the Washburn aggregation on the west
side, We'd with each other in produc-
ing that brand of noise which is toler-
ated on football occasions under the
name of roofing" The Aggies had the
advantage of the locals in having
band. Washburn needs band badly
but somehow or other Notwithstanding
the fact that there are a goodly num-
Der of musicians i'll the school, there Is
no band.
The Aggie special trains leave on the
return trip at midnight. This Will give
the Aggies a chance to paint the town
red tonight should they win, and to hold
a consolation meeting should they lose.