New-York tribune., 1908-11-24
TRUST IDEA NOT HIS,
SAYS ROCKEFELLER
GIVES CREDIT TO DODD
And FLAGLER,
Standards President Promises to
Hant for Stock and Trust Ger
tifcate Transfer Books.

Rockefeller yesterday Frank B. Kellogg ths
government counsel. adhered to his plan TO ex-
pose the trust operations Of the Standard of
Company. so far as the witness would permit
This embraced the period between 1892 and
1899 or between the second trust agreement
the dissolution OF the Standard and tbs moor
poration In New Jersey
Admission made that all but three of the
men who had promoted the South Improvement
Company had become stockholders in the Stand
ard; that William H Vanderbilt OF the New
York Central: Amasa Stone. managing director
Of the Lake Shore and director IN the James
town & Franklin Railroad; T. P Handy and
Stillman Witt. directors n the Lake Shore. and
P. H Watson. at that time president Of The
Erie. stockhoIders in Mr.. Rockefsller's
company; that twenty-five independent refining
companies were purchased by the Standard with
stock or trust certificates and that those which
not dismantled were for longer
shorter period independents
Mr.. Kellogg attacked the assertion ot ths
president of the Standard that his company vas
progressive. and got Affirmative answers to the
effect that the great improvements In nearly
every branch OF the business-barreI making.
can manufacturing, tank cars lighters and pipe
lines from the oil fields to the seaboards-Uers
begun by other companies, which becams ulti-
mately Standard subsidiaries In a long strus-
gle with the witness. who frequently aided
to show that from the time the State Of Ohio
dissolved the trust until its reincorporation
under the laws of New Jersey IT was practt-
cally on trust basis
ROCKEFELLER TO LOOK FOR BOOKS
Mr. Rockefeller admitted that the so-calIed in
dependent companies were controlled by tbs
Standard Oil stockholders. but declared repeat
edly that the individual refineries and pipe lines
were run independently and once asserted that
they came IN competition with one another.
Last Friday he said that the purchase OF indie
pendents was in pursuance OF policy OF eT-
panson. He had said the same direct exan1ina-
ton Yesterday afternoon he promised TO do all
I'm his power to get the stock and trust certif-
cate books which show the transfers. Mr. Kei-
Iogg has been on an open and a still hunt for
those books since the suit was begun He
has been baked every time far
1t came as a surprise when Mr.. Rockefeller
said that he was not the originator Of the trust
idea in the Standard He gave credit for this
to Henry NJ F1agler and Samuel c. T. Dodd.
lawyer Of Western Pennsylvania in the employ
of the Standard MIR. Kellogg had asked:
Who got up this Standard oil agreement u
1882. the Standard oil trust? Who conceived
the plan?"
I should say that H. VI F1agIer and : c. r
Dodd should have the credit for that I am
1T was L 1 did not know enough about legal
matters for so progressive a step that was.
was the answer.
Objection to questions because they were out
side of the field covered by the direct examins-
ton was frequent. but they were always an
swered one way another Mr. kellogg drove
his Inquiries home with less consideration than
last week Mr. Rockefeller was quicker IN his
answers and his memory was better. But il did
not always meet Mr. Kellogg's expectations
The witness was clearly tired before the days
ordeal over.
HEARING TIRES WITNESS.
There were frequent conferences Each was
said to have bearing the condition OF the
witness and the plans for the hearing OF the
other Standard Oil officials. telegram
received by Moritz Roseuthal. Of counsel for the
Standard. during the afternoon He passed II
on to Mr.. kellogg. and each said later that Il
had no bearing on the case After the session
the Opposing, counsel spent nearly a half hour
in Mr KeIlOggs room in the Custom House.
with Mr. Ferris the federal referee The pro-
graurne fOr to-day and tomorrow was laid out.
1t was said that an effort made to get the
government counsel TO consent TO the nou-ap-
pearance of the other witnesses II that
the case Mr.. Kellogg refused TO comply
Mr. Rockefeller came to the witness room
from No 26 Broadway promptly at 10 80 O'Clock.
but il was seven minutes before Mr.. Kellogg
began where he left of on Friday. In the waI,.
taken up by a conference of counsel the witness
chatted with Mr.. Ferris. and seemed in the best
of spirits But the morning hs
seemed TO tire AT the noon recess he was
asked how he stood the trial He answered;
1T does not pay TO complain. one win live
longer and better II he does not
He was late in returning. and just as he
tered the room Mr. Ferris called out that hats
should be removed Mr. Rockefeller looked at
the referee and hastily removed his hat Inter-
est In the immunity question Is still rife and
one of the reporters during recess handed .
paper TO the president Of the Standard with
this question:
DEFENDS HIS POOR MEMORY.
DO you believe you should receive immunity
from criminal prosecution because or your tss-
timony here in case criminal proceedings are
brought Iater?"
Mr Rockefeller read IL carefully then put his
arm in an arectionate manner over the young
mans shoulder made as II TO whisper his
swer. then said loudly
You tell them that I not In"
How did you stand the day?' he was asked
after the adjournment
.Oh 1 stood the day we'll enough he
svyered but dnd II hard TO recall these things
that happened thirty years ago People must
think come down TO Wall Street before break
fast. and keep in touch with ths minutsst de-
tails of the business. The fact IS that since
1890 have been trying 10 throw OF all business
cares I have something else TO do In ths
worlds work No. no. no, no, there is something
else in the world besides making monsy.
think | can claim belong to the brotherhood
of the world"
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