New-York tribune., 1908-12-22
CARNEGIE ON TARIFF
Continued from first page.

| tariff legislation to show how this company mas
| grown from a very small beginning 10 the SUI
| pendous amount ot s1,7so,0o0OoO, as the Falue
| fixed by Mr.. Gary. First of all, wanted 10 hIo
| out how much your company Is paying no"
r,ucb II uas sold for. to get the growth of that
! and then was in hopes I could ma the eoi~
| responding growth of the other companies ,
| and get an idea of what the profits on steel
| might be-"
IF YOU want the United States Steel Company
| to tell YOU the cost OF everything go ID 'iei
! and get IT," responded Mr. Carnegie
THE only difficulty is that we have the same
| difficulty with every one that we have WIN you
| The moment it touches information e1clusi'elS
within your own control you do not care 10 give
| If and the commission has that difficulty all the
! time"
Because I am no longer in steel; 1 have re-
| tired" Mr.. Carnegie said resignedly. I nave
! no interest in the United States Steel COMPANY
| because that is what you are getting at nave
! not a dollar in it except in bonds and nave
never bought share OF the stock
Mr.. Cochran asked If the decrease in the price
| of steel as a commodity has been accompanied
by an equally steady increase in the rate OF
| wages. ,
| IT hardly think so" replied Mr.. Carnegie
would not be prepared to indorse that"
| Representative Dalzer, who halls from Pltts-
| burg objected to Mr.. Cockran's questions
| II want to ask you question to see whether
| or not I understand your testimony, ne salo
| to Mr.. Carnegie. Your opinion that steer can
| he put on the free list is based on any
| figured cost, but broad general principles
| taking into account that we do not import much
steel and we do export some steel. and taking
into account also the great resources of the coun-
| try and the business energy of our people. AS
! understand you, that Is your position. DO L
state 1T correctly?'
| Yes. that is true" affirmed the witness
There has been a general consensus of opinion
among steel men that the tariff was back
| number 1 have heard the remark"--
II thought I understood you, and am glad
to have you confirm my understanding" agreed
Mr. Dalzell, apparently pleased with the reply.
| COSTS MORE TO MAKE STEEL ABROAD
Mr. Carnegie said that the manufacturers Of
Wales could make a ton Of tin plate shade
cheaper than 1t could be made here, and in re-
ply to question from Mr. Longworth said that
| the cost of manufacturing steel was greater In
Great Britain than here. He said that the
committee should send experts familiar with
the steel industry to the large mills Of Europe
to study the question of comparative cost or
labor They will be received by the foreign
manufacturers with open arms" he said
1T is a condition and not theory that con-
fronts the committee at this time" said Rep
LOngWOrtl Is
the President will call special session of
Congress for the purpose Of enacting tarln
BILL and We must prepare a bill for them to
pass on We have no time to send experts to
Europe What 1 want to know is what author
ity besides the testimony given by you and
Judge Gary, who, 1 think, didn't go as far as
YOU do, we have for taking the duty on Of
STEEL
Mr. Carnegie pointed out that there was prac-
tically no foreign made steel imported into this
country. "Other parties not exporting here
because they have an international agreement
Representative HILL of Connecticut. was de-
sirous of learning more of this alleged tnterna-
tional agreement among German English and
American steel manufacturers He also wanted
to know about the agreement between the steel
interests and the railroad companies as to the
price of steel rails
MI Carnegie gave little testimony of value
with regard to either the supposed international
combination or the agreement with the rail-
roads.
That is a question you should ask those in
terested in it," he replied when asked by Mr..
Hill if a combination of the English, German
and American steel manufacturers existed.
THINKS STEEL COMBINATION EXISTS.
II do not know. but I have heard it stated
| that there is such combination" continued Mr..
who appeared before your committee. 1 think
| it is highly probable. 1 would not be telling
the whole truth if 1 said that I didn't think
that there is such a combination
Mr. Carnegie told the committee that II must
not base its conclusions on the comparison Of
the cost OF labor in this country and abroad as
furnished by witnesses IF it takes two men
in Great Britain 70 turn out as much steel as it
takes one man here with our modern appliances,
the difference would not be great was his
argument THE cost of producing rails at Gary
won't be half much as IN England, notwith-
standing the cheaper cost Of labor abroad"
Mr. Carnegie expressed great pleasure when
Representative Caderhead brought up the sub
ject of structural steel.
| Il wish the chairman could hear me-" he said
before taking up the new subject Mr.. Payns
was in whispered conference with Mr. DalzeIl,
and after other members of the committee had
succeeded in getting him to give his attention
to the witness AIR. Carnegie proceeded.
He explained his views the duty on struct-
ural steel by taking the construction OF a mod
ern skyscraper as an example. He explained
the difficulties experienced in constructing such
building with steel imported from abroad. He
said that the long delays incident TO the loss of
pieces of the steel essential to the continuation
OF building operations and the length of time
required 10 rectify some bunder OF the manu-
facturer made such undertaking most i'm
practicable, when compared with the facility
with which the work could be done il the steel
were ordered from a home manufacturer.
IF you ever tried to send order three thou
sand miles for structural Steel you would never
do it again. observed Mr.. "arnegie.
TARIFF MADE HIM A STEEL MAN.
Representative Cochran. OF New York asked
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