The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1908-11-22
GUINNESS WOMAN
seen AFTER FIRE
Some Sensational Testimony
Developed at the Trial of
Ray Lamphere.
FINE THEORY OF DEFENSE
BODY IN RUINS NOT THAT OF
THE MURDERESs.


tons of the afternoon session of the
Lamphere trial were the stories told by
Daniel NJ. Hutzen and his daughters,
by Fred Ryckman and by John n. All
derson. who saw a strange woman with
Mrs. Guinness on the Saturday before
the fire. Hutzen and his daughters de-
clared on the witness stand that tl-ey
saw Mrs. Guinness on July 8. but they
were unable to distinguish her features
through a black veil. Hutzen, a neigh
Dor of Mrs. Guinness, and one cf the
men hired by Sheriff Shutter To dig in
the ruins for bodies at the time of the
fire, declared he knew Mrs. Guinness so
well that he could not be mistaken. He
said:
Afraid to Follow
Il saw her on the road near the hog
pen on July 8. l was returning from
town with hayrack, and saw two peo-
pie at the Guinness place. She had on
a light skirt, black waist, wide-brimmed
hat, white veil on the hat, and a black
veil that came down to her chin. ThS<e
was man with her. He weighed about
$50 pounds, and had a gray moustache
and gray hair. When / got within two
wagon lengths they got into their buggy
and drove on. and tried to follow
them. They got ahead of me and I did
not like to follow them. There was too
good d chance of getting chunk of
lead. The buggy had low running
gear and black top. The horse was
gray one with dapples on his hips as
large as a half dollar"
On examination witness said he cd
not see the wOman's features or face.
but could tell from her build and walk
that it was Mrs Guinness.
Seen by Little Girls.
Evelyn, the 11-year-old daughter of
Hutzen, who followed her father on the
stand. testified that she saw Mrs. Cum
ness in 'haytime,' near the woods. She
was in a buggy with a man. They
passed her in the road. The girl said
that Mrs. Guinness had on two vc'is,
black one and a white one, the black
one being over her face. The girl said:
When l saw her she turned her face
away from me-"
EIdora Hutzen. years old, sister of
the preceding witness, said:
4 was playing by the big gate by
the road. I saw Mrs. Guinness go by
with a man. She had on a double veil
and a -brimmed hat l did not
know the man"
Theory of Defense.
John Anderson, another neighbor Of
Mrs. Guinness, saw the strange woman
with Mrs. Guinness Saturday before the
fire. This is the woman the defense
contends must have been murdered by
Mrs. Guinness, and whose body they
aver was the adult body found in the
fire ruins
Fred Ryckman testified that he had
worked for Mrs. Guinness three differ
ent times. One afternoon, under ner di-
rectiOns, he dug hole five feet deep
and five feet long. Later an autorno-
bile with two men arrived. Mrs Gun
ness was in town, but upon her insrruc-
lions the witness told them the key was
under the mat. They went into the
house. he said. and three was some
drinking. Before he went home one of
the men gave him glass IF Wine, and
on the way home he became uncon-
scious and did not know anything until
the next afternoon. One of the men
gave Mrs. Guinness money to pay him,
he said.
DR.. Walter F. Haines will go on TIE
stand Monday to tell of the finding of
poison in the stomachs of Andrew Hell
gelein and the supposed Mrs. Guinness
and two of her children.