The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1908-12-22
STAND-PATTERS
EXASPERATED
BY CARNEGIE
Canny SCotchman Knocked the
Props From Under the
Tariff on Steel.
HIGHLY INSTRUCTIVE
AS WELL AS AMUSING
FORMER IRoNMAsTER LAUGHED
AND JOKED AS HE DROVE
HOME HIS TELLING POINTS.

washington, Dec. 21.-Andrew Carnegie.
famous for the millions he made in the
steel business and for his views on eco
nomic questions. was an entertaining, If
not instructive. witness before the house
WAYS and means committee tariff hear
ing today.
An article on the tariff especially re-
lating 10 the steel schedules written by
Dir. Carnegie recently appeared ID
ments made in that article II became
the basis for the questions asked by the
members OF the committee at hearings
on the steel schedules.
ufacturers was at variance with the
statements made by Mr.. Carnegie, the
committee invited him to give any lnfor-
nation the committee could use. As MI
Carnegie declined to accept the invita-
lion he was subpoenaed-
Mr. Carnegie was TO have been heard
nearly two weeks ago, but asked for
nostDonernent, evidently Tor the purpose |
Of having the committee secure the testi- !
mony of other steel magnates first
stand-Patters Exasperated.
Although he was on the stand for near
" eight hours, l1r- Carnegie laughed and
ioked good-naturedly throughout He ex-
asperated several Of the ''stand-patters" |
with his epigrammatic replies; praised |
the genius of Charles NJ. SchWab: urged
OF Judge Z. H. Gary as conclusive. and
told several funny stories. He avoided |
figures. however, TO such an extent that
II is doubtful if the tariff trainers are
any more enlightened on the steel ques- |
ton tonight than they were before Mr..
Carnegie was sworn in
Mr.. Carnegies principal contention was
that the steel Industry needs no more
protection: that il has reached a point |
IN its development where the American |
manufacturers can compete with the |
world under free trade conditions. While |
10 claimed that the cost of labor and |
production OF steel are less IN this conn |
Try than in the other countries producing |
steel Mr.. Carnegie gave no figures to |
support his contention.
he said that Judge Gary told the COM
mittee that the United States Steel cor
p0ration can get along without a tariff
on its products and that should be suffi-
Gent evidence for the committee 10 take
or the duty on steel and-iron.
Supported Former Statements.
The. laird of skIbo castle testified in
support Of the statements that he made
ia his magazine article, declaring that
The facts show that the steel industry
needs no protection. MIR. Carnegie proved
the most interesting witness who has APP
Ueared before the committee. interspersing
MS testimony with humorous and cpl
grammatic remarks. Praising the genius
" Charles NJ. Schwab, Mr. Carnegie sug-
gested that congress should extend vote
Of thanks to Mr.. Schwab for his work
in improving the methods of steel making
in this country.
4 never met his equal" said Mr. Car
nsgie in speaking of Mr.. Schwab. land
when we were partners we were a great
team
That is very apparent" remarked
Chairman Payne
Review of Gary's Testimony.
Speaking of the testimony of Judge
Gary before the committee, Mr.. Carnegie
said:
the testimony OF interested parties. Judge
Gary said that the United States Steel |
could stand for a reduction
in thc tariff on steel. but that the small
or steel manufacturers could not survive
with lowered duties. That is like one of
Esop's fables. Judge Gary is like the
monkey who desired the chestnuts. but
wanted the cat to pull them out of the
The crowded room frequently rang with
peals -of laughter at the quips OF Mr..
Carnegie. who seemed 20 be in splendid
shape for the questions asked by Repre-
Dalzell and Payne.
Judges by Results.
Mr.. Carnegie was not willing TO deal in
figures.
The more figures you get the more
YOU viii be befogged. / don't Judge by
figures given by interested parties" he
said at another point in his testimony;
II Judge by results
Ohe former steel magnate said that
Judge Gary has issued an annual state
ment showing that the United States Steel !
corporation had made profit of S15S.00o.-
90 which he said equalled a profit of
Sl.5o ton on all steel produced.
-lr. Carnegie avoided direct replies to
ions as to whether the cost of pros
steel at the present time as given I
-dSc Gary and Mr.. Schwsb was cor I
o. Mr.. Schwab's estimate of the
n:rseHt cost is based on entirely different :
Ideals than his estimate on the cost in
,N9,' was all that Mr.. Carnegie would ]
say.
Replying to question from Mr.. Cock
ran. Mr.. Carnegie declared that the re-
moval % duty on steel would not neces-
sarily affect the prices. because Europe {
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