The evening world., 1908-12-21
Talk of Interested Persons
Must Not Be Taken as Final,
He Tells Congressman.
BIG PROFITS PROVED.
Trust President Like the Monk
ey After the Chestnuts-
Some Protection Facts.

WASHINGTON, Dec. I.-That the
steel industry of the United States has
reached a point where # does not need
protection. but can stand alone in COM
petition with the world, was the feature
of the testimony to-day of Andrew Car
negie before the Committee on Ways
and Means of the House of Representa-
Gves, which is securing evidence de-
signed to assist il in the preparation
Nof new tariff bill which will come up
for consideration at the extra session
OF Congress.
Mr.. Carnegie had primed himself for
the ordeal Of the rigid questioning which
ne was to undergo. and he kept the
committee and audience in constant
laughter by his ready retorts and wit
He would not deal in figures, claiming
that the more that figures were used
the more the subject would become be
logged"
viii Not Hurt Wages.
Mr.. Carnegie in the course of his an
swers characterized Mr. Schwab as a
genius and Mr.. Gary as most lovabIe
man, but very shrewd one He eX-
pressed the opinion that wages would
not be reduced II the tariff was lowered
or removed entirely.
Incidentally, Mr.. Carnegie declared he
was utterly opposed to an income tax,
believing, he said, with Mr. Glad
stone. that such n tax produced a ma
ton OF liars.
The Laird OF Skibo Castle testified in
support of the statements that he made
in his magazine article declaring car-
sistently that The facts show that the
steel industry needs no protection As
q witness Mr.. Carnegie proved the most
interesting that has appeared before the
committee. interspersing his testimony
with humorous and epigrammatic re-
marks.
Praises Schwab; Hits Iary.
Praising the genius of Charles NJ
Schwab, Mr., Carnegie suggested that
Congress should extend vote of
thanks to Mr.. Schwap for his work in
improving the methods OF steelmaking
In this country.
+ Il never met his equal" said Mr..
\ Carnegie in speaking of Mr. Schwab,
and when we We're partners we were a
: great team"
That is very apparent" remarked
Chairman Payne.
Speaking of the testimony of Judge
Gary before the committee, Mr.. Carne-
{ gle said:
you should not place any real value
on the testimony of interested parties.
Judge Gary said that the United States
steel Corporation could stand reduc-
sion in the tariff on steel, but that tho
smaller steel manufacturers could not
survive the lowered duties. That is
like one of Aesop's fables. Judge Gary
IL like the monkey who desired the
chcEtnuts, but wanted the cat to pull
then, out of the iire."
The crowded hearing room freouentlv
rang with peals of laughter at the quips
OF Mr.. Carnegie. who seemed to be in
splendid shape for the questions asked
by Representatives Dalzel and PAYNE.
At one point Mr.. Payne leaned over
and whispered to Mr.. Dalzell. who sat
at his right.
u wish the chairman would tell me
wharf he said TO Mr., Dazell. | think I
ought TO know" Mr., Carnegie protested
There was roar OF laughter through
out the room, but MIR PAYNE made no
reply. Leaning over with ms hand 10
his ear and his head cooked to one side.
In imitation VI he attitude assumed l..
Mr. Payne IN "h&Jr..ug to NJ. pal-
zell. Mr.. 'hIJts.c sad. should So.
mat you. nuIrs ,.r.., 'IHr Jls ls Nd. .
An Iilil' l'e '.'' '.'i ..Il.g tu duai
Ia hsures, ,....,.... .........
YOU viii hc brlpggeu, ! dun't Judge by
figures CIV en- by .n,er, steu pHIlies H.
ssid ~ anuthei honi IN his testimony.