Los Angeles herald., 1908-10-20

as a witness, TO appear Detore thls Brano
Jury and not in the presence of the district
attorney.
The Foreman don't know that you have
that The district attorney has a right 10
appear at any time when anybody is belng
examined before this grand jury. according
to the law.
Refuses to Answer
Mr. woolwlne--I refuse to answer that
question on the ground
Mr. Fredericks-Just moment don't
know whether there is any question there
or not (Question-'What are the names
of the agents and detectives?" read by the
reporterD l don't know whether the wit
ness had OWNED my question or not Inc
question is this:
O-Do you. Of your own knowledge, know
of the voation-of the fact that any city
official of the city of Los Angeles is Violat-
ing--is protecting vice, is protecting vice
here in the city?
Al should answer that question in this
way: That, if 1 knew these things OF my
own knowledge it wouldn't be necessary for
a grand jury inqutsition, and would swear
to the complaints myself
O-I take 1t then that you have
Await a minute, Just let me finish my
answer.
Q-Certainly.
A-And further, that such knowledge as
I have comes almost entirely by means of
the employment of persons who have looked
into these matters, and so FAR as am IN
dividually concerned-that is, to the best
of my knowledge and belief at this moment,
I do not believe that I could testify of my
own knowledge as to the protection OF vice,
unless 1t be that l have been among the-
made a trip to the red light district and
saw that 1t was in existence-saw the
women there: went with Dana Bartlett. l
have seen dice games about the city.
Q-What was that word?
A-Dice games, But so far as my IN IN
dividual knowledge is concerned 1 would
hat worthless.
Q-Where have you seen dice gamesF
ALL through the streets
Q-Specfy some of the places?
A-At different places. At most of the
cigar stores.
Q-Were they dice games for money or
Al couldn't tell you that. just saw the
dice games-something that appeared to be
a dice game, where dice were shaken.
Q-Out in the open, so 1t could be seen
from the street?
A-Yes sir; and so far as the-as the VIC
lation of the law in that case is concerned
l couldn't of my own knowledge swear to
1t, because 1 have done no detective work
of my own. That is, practically none.
Q-Have you any information now from
others that any city official in Los Angeles
Is protecting vice?
Al refuse to answer that on the ground
that it is hearsay. You can get the wit
nesses IL you want to learn that
Q-Beg pardon?
that it is hearsay. 1t would be second
hand.
Q-what was the last what was it about
witnesses? What do you have there MI;
Reporter about witnesses? (Answer read
by reporter)
Q-what are the names of the witnesses
Mr. Woolwine?
Al will not tell you that, on the ground
that it is immaterial
Q-Why do you refuse to tell this jury
you are not talking to me; you are talking
to this jury.
A-Yes
O-Why do you refuse to tell this jury
the names of the witnesses whom you think
would swear to this fact?
Explains His Refusal
A-For the simple reason-and I am glad
of the opportunity to tell it-that you are
doing everything you can to block this in
vestigation that you have shown to one
party, to my knowledge, the evidence that
was submitted to this grand jury by me the
first day 1 was here; for the further fact
that you declared publicly that l had pre-
sented nothing before this grand jury, thus
violating your oath of office, because you
had no right to make such statement, and
believe that If 1 give you this evidence
that nothing will come of it and it will put
me in public disfavor
Q-You are not giving this evidence to
me, Mr. Woolwine. You are giving 1t TO
Al understand that. They are hear
ing 1t.
Mr.. Observation-Disclosures do you insist
that the witness-Mr. Foreman
The Foreman-I want your instructions
upon the question. Mr.
Mr.. Fredericks-That that is competent
question and that Mr.. Woolwine is required
under the law to answer it.
Mr., Foreman-That is your instrueton to
this grand jury. Well, we have to require it,
MI Woowine.
Al refuse 20 answer. Certify me for con-
tempt.
Mr.. Fredericks-All right. We will come to
that after while Let me have a transcript
of that last question when you get through
Mr. Reporter
who could assist this grand jury in arriving
at the truth Of the charges which you have
made, that vice is being protected in the city
of Los Angeles?
Al think 1 do.
OWN you give the names of one or more
of those persons to the jury?
Al refuse to answer that on the ground
that it is incompetent irrelevant and imma-
terial, and has nothing to do with any Of
fense that has been committed in the city of
Los Angeles, and would be hearsay; con-
cluson of my own
Q.-This is an investigation, Mr.. Woolwine,
Al know but you have
Own yoL let me
A-FIave insisted upon legal evidence.
Q-This is an investigation. At your request
you appeared before the grand jury and stated
that certain crimes had been committed
Al didn't say any such thing.
Q.-Stated that vice was being protected in
Los Angeles.
Ayes.
Q-The grand jury is now proceeding by its
properly constituted authorities to inquire Of
YOU the sources of your information, in order
that they may run the matter down and as
certain whether there is any truth or fact in
your charges. We the grand jury, desire
your assistance in that matter, in that you
have made these charges and the district at
torney requests that you state to the grand
Jury now the names of persons who will as
sst IN making this investigation.