The Washington times. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1902-1939, 1908-11-22
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I have been sitting here all day and all
night trying to find out, and this Is
the first logical explanation L have
heard"
And 1 want to say" said Mr.. Griggs.
OF Georgia, that this is the first wit
ness who has shown any disposition 10
give real facts to the committee
The committee room was crowded
throughout the entire day, with the ex-
pectation that the opponents Of the So
called Paper trust would furnish the
real sensation Of the entire hearings on
tarin revision. john Norris, represent
ing the American Newspaper Associa-
ton, was present. and it was expected
that his appearance would bring out all
the fireworks that developed when he
appeared before the select committee
at the last session Of Congress.
Wants Mann Bill.
The only opportunity he had for CON
troversy with the committee. however.
developed before he had been fairly
well started on his address. He told the
committee that II you'd find il advis-
able to recommend the passage OF tho
bill introduced by Mr.. Mann OF Illinois.
advocating reciprocity with Canada
Il could frame a better bill than
that" said Mr.. Payne tersely.
This prompted Mr.. Norris to express
an opinion as TO the attitude Of Mr.
Payne.
you don't know WI at my ideas are.
said Mr. Payne.
NO." returned Mr.. Norris, "but be
fore I get through tonight YOU will be
in favor of free wood pulp and print
paper"
you will be disappointed as you
usually are" said Mr.. Payne empau-
Cally.
Mr. Norris began TO read his paper
late in the afternoon, and was inter
rupted when a recess for dinner was
taken at o'clock.
At s o'clock the same crowd was in
the committee room waiting for the ex-
plCsion. which was confidently expected.
When Mr.. Norris concluded his lengthy
paper there was silence, on both sides
OF the committee table.
Look Toward Clark.
ANY questions?' asked Chairman
Payne. and all eyes were turned toward
Champ Clark, who had been looking for
a trust all day. Mr.. Clark was as
silent as the other members Of the M
nority, and Mr.. Norris was dismissed
without a question.
Immediately thereafter the spectators
began 10 leave and only the large group
Of paper manufacturers remained TO
listen 10 the dreaTy testimony which
continued until midnight
Representatives Of labor orgauiza-
lions, employed by newspapers. fol-
lowed Mr.. Norris to testify that their
unions favored free trade on wood puID
and print paper. They asserted that
all requests for increased wages were
met with the reply that the high price
of paper made impossible such expendi-
lures.
Arthur c. Hastings, OF New York.
paper manufacturer and president Of
the American Paper and Pulp Associa-
ton. denied that his association domi-
mated the prices. He did not consider
the duty Prohibitive. but admitted that
the market was not inviting.
do you mean 10 say" said Mr. Clark,
that the International Paper COMPANY
does not fix the prices on print paper?''
Il certainly do" said Mr.. Hastings.
What increased the cost Of paperg"
asked Mr.. Clark.
The Law Of supply and demand re-
piled Mr.. Hastings.
The witness insisted that there was
plenty of chance for competition in the
United States. A new MIL Is now under
construction in Minnesota, he said,
which would prove TO be a big factor
in the paper market. and would prob
ably make other companies reduce their
prices. He contended, however, that if
the tariff were removed that company
could not begin operations.
IS Per Ton Profit.
Mr.. Hastings said that he made s. a
ton on tOday's prices, and averaged the
same amount about a year ago. Six
months ago, he said, the profit was
about half OF that amount. He said
that his company had paid dividends as
high as "A per cent and had a surplus
Of $4,000.
eff all OF the duties were repealed to-
day" asked Mt. Underwood. what ef-
feet would It have on the pTice2"
THE price would be about the same
FOR a time" was the reply, but I don't
know what the effect later On will be. I
think IL might be g a ton cheaper.
The position of the International
Paper Company was fully explained by
Chester W. Lyman. an official Of the
company.
He stated that up to June 1, 1903, the
company had paid S13,950,OO an average