The Washington herald., 1908-04-03
HUNT FOR A LOBBY
Submarine Body Is Working
Hard on Trail.
LIQUIDS SECRETARY ON STAND
Former EmpIoye OF Michigan Repre-
sentative Testifies 10 Startling
by All Members of the Committee.
Say They Only Desire 80 Get Truth.

Something that looked like lobby trail
was hit yesterday by the House Com
mittee investigating the submarine boat
scandal. IL was somewhat faint and ac-
cidentally struck, but the committee fol-
lowed it as FAR as il went.
The way was indicated by Frank L.
Marlborough. of Bay City. Mich. former
private secretary to Representative Loud.
OF Michigan. and latterly member of the
Michigan State senate.
An article was read to Mr.. Marlborough
from a Detroit newspaper. in which he
was quoted as saying that when Mr..
Loud said. in newspaper interview. that
he knew nothing about w. ID. Garden,
OF Michigan. acting as a lobbyist for the
Electric Boat Company he. Mr. Loud,
placed himself in a peculiar position.
The witness acknowledged that he had
been correctly quoted.
Representative Howard. OF the COM
mlttee. asked him 10 explain what he
meant by IL. Mr. Marlborough refused TO
answer because it was based on informa
ton that came to him as private secre
tary to Mr. Loud
Here Mr.. Loud, occupying a seat among
the spectators. arose and absolved Mr..
Edlnborough from blame in disclosing
anything he knew
Describes the Scene.
Mr. Marlborough described a scene that
took place in his room in the Dewey
Hotel. Washington Nj Loud had enter
ed In anger, and declared that Mr.. Gordon
was imposing upon him." bearing
down upon him." The witness volunteer
ed the statement that Mr. Gordon was
here as lobbyist for the Electric Boat
Company, and he knew 10 what Mr. Loud
referred.
Mr. Howard asked FOR the details Of
the conversation. Mr.. Marlborough an
swered that lie could give no details He
only remembered the Incident and 10
what It referred. Mr.. Howard persisted,
ard asked the witness 20 search his mind
Mr.. Marlborough declared he should
not be expected 10 quote what he had
heard. as he did not charge his memory
with it. He was clear on the ciTcum-
stances. but not on what words we're ac-
tually spoken by Mr. Loud.
1T was in the year 1906" the witness
said about the time that the Naval AZ
fairs Committee was considering the
naval bill. Mr.. Loud led me TO believe
that Mr.. Gordon lad greatly annoyed
him. Mr.. Gordon, Il seems. was desirOus
of having Mr.. Loud assist him. and Mr.
Loud complained bitterly TO me OF his
treatment by Mr.. Gordon"
Some Direct Questions.
did Mr. Loud say that Mr. Gordon
was a lobbyist for the Electric Boat Com
pany2"
Il don't recall that he did. but know
what Mr.. Gordon was here for"
How did you know"
I don't know how I knew. but I
knew"
Tell the COMMITTEES" said Mr.. How
ard. "how you knew that Mr.. Loud's
agitatlon had any connection with sub
marine boat affairs?"
4 knew very well from the fact that he
said Mr.. Gordon was imposing on him"
Did Mr.. Loud say anything about SUBJ
marine boats az that timer
Il think he did; yes, he did"
Very few words were spoken by Mr..
Loud. and the witness gained his con-
victions of what had happened between
Mr. Loud and Mr. Gordon from Mr..
Loud's demeanOr.
There was a continual rub between the
witness and the examiners Of the com
mittee Mr. Howard. Mr. Stevens, and
Mr. Olmsted each took turn in trying
TO draw out definite statements OF his
interview with Mr. Loud. and the specific
information on which he based his asser-
ton that he knew Mr.. Gordon to be an
Electric Boat Company lobbyist
Chairman Boutell also whispered sug-
gestions 10 the examiners. Mr.. Edin-
borough became heated under the fire
OF questions and somewhat definantly de-
Clared that he had told all that he could
recollect.
Was He Annoyed.
Then he was asked If Mr.. Loud had ever
again spoken OF being annoyed by Mr..
Gordon, or whether he had referred 20
him as being a lobbyist at any time
subsequent 10 the reported conversation
IN his room.
No. the witness said. the matter had
been settled Mr. Loud had either writ
ten a letter or sent a telegram TO DR..
Gordon saying something about some
work having been brought about favor
ably. Mr.. Edinborough had written the
communication al Mr.. Boud's request or
dctatiOn. he could not tell which Neither
could he remember anything of the con-
tents except the nature OF them which
was thai a favorable compromise had
been reached on submarine legislation in
the Naval Affairs Committee
When did you conceive this fine deli
cacy Of feeling you displayed at first in
your refusal to answer. on account Of
your loyalty to Mr.. Loud" asked Mr.
Olmsted.
Il didn't come here to be roasted" re-
tOrted the witness.
Friction Becomes Great.
Friction became intense as the cross
examination continued and pronounced
hostility developed the witness feeling
that he was being gridironed and reply
Ing critically 10 the examiners questions.
until finally every one Of the committee
In turn went after him hotfOot
At the end Of the gruellng. Mr.. Edin
borough. in perturbation. announced that
he came here to tell ne truth and he
sid not want any wrong differences put
9n his testimony. to which Mr. Howard
responded:
we are just trying to find out how
much truth you have told. 1t seems TO
me now there is very little of It.
District Budget Up To-day.
Representative Gardner, in charge OF
he District appropriation BILL tried to-