The morning journal-courier., 1908-06-16
PASS VOTING
 MACHINES BY
 IS TO 5 VOTE

(Continued from First Pase)
 and the motion to table was lost as state above.
 Jacobs Is Opposed.
 Then came the real discussion of the machines themselves. Alderman Jacobs led off. He expressed the opin- ion that if the people of New Haven had really wanted the machines very much they would have had them be- fore. He referred to the fact that whenever new Improvements were suggested in the city or when the var ious departments came up for in- creased sums of money needed in the operation of their departments they were met with a hue and cry about the large amount of money which the city was expending. If the expendi- lures continued as at present he declared the credit of the city which at present is excellent would be hurt because the city was being so heavily bonded for various matters of late. He then referred to the contract as expressed in the order which read that the city should issue bonds for the company at interest not to exceed five per cent If the city was to buy the machines at all he wanted to know why it should not sell its bonds outside where 1t could get them taken for three and one half per cent interest and thus save one and half per cent. Then he asked if the city really needed the machines. Many people he declared did not know how 10 vote them as they wish to have their vote registered, Because someone else has adopted the machines is no reason why we should, And again he called attention to the number and asked what 4S were needed for, Only for the purpose of saddling another burden on the city he declared. You are saddling this amount of s25,- 500 on the city for something we can get along just as well without and yet my friends here would not give the people s25o for a city pump"
 Miller Invites Combat.
 Miller replied. He invited combat by his opening words, The only regret I have is that had to listen so long to so many misleading statements" In rebuttal of the saving on the bonds he stated that the city in its recent issue of bonds had been unable to get them al at fff,p tla and in the case of the contract the five per cent was the maximum. but the contract stated that the bonds would be accepted at the same rate of inter est as was paid In the general market, The city, he asserted, would not pay Alderman Miller's remarks began to sayor of attack on the veracity of the statements of Jacobs and the latter arose here to q question of order in re- gard to the indulgence in personali- ties. The point fell through and Miller proceeded. He sarcastically referred to a remark by Jacobs that the machines were an insult to the intelligent vote of the city by saying that he did not speak of the unintelligent vote which had to come to the ward heelers to have their ballots fixed for them. He also laid emphasis on the fact that under this system there could be nc question on the accuracy of the count And finally he declared that the ex- pense was not such a heavy matter as they would save about sl,000 to $l,20( a year in election expenses.
 Jacobs took exception here to re- mark that members were being undulS influenced in their votes and he arose to say, If the alderman at large is attacking anyone in this board and es. pecially myself, l want to say that have not been approached by anyone 10 vote against the machines, but | have by many to vote for it"
 Through the opposition to the max imum of five per cent. this was amend ed here to four per cent.
 1 Miller and Jacobs had their real run. in right after this. Jacobs held the lloo for the second time Referring to thu | aldermanio member of the board O l finance (Mlller) he said that 1t wa very strange how some people change ] their minds and he accused him of al | inconsistent stand in raising the fgh against the abatement of so man, taxes at the last meeting of the boarc because 1t was extravagant and nov favoring the purchase of machines.
 Jacobs--NilIer Duel.
 Here Miller came in with a point o order. President Allen waved him asid with the remark that the gentleman | from the Tenth still had the floor. Mil Ter replied in an audible semitone: H, don't want to get personal, then" t l which Jacobs sidestepped to remark, :" don't want to fight with the gentleman l don't want to put on the gloves witt | him if that's what he means"
 Miller came back with "Therell b, more than gloves go on if he contin ues along that line," and then the set to subsided
 Jacobs wound up the declaration that if the other members wished tt they could go on record but he "woulc never go on record to vote away money for the purchase of a little mechanical toy like this
 Attempt to shut Miller or.
 Miller arose to speak again ant Jacobs tried to cut him off with thu point of order that he had already spoken twice President Allen tolt him that if he insisted the point 0, order was good, but that 1t was one which was not well to Insist on in the board as 1t had boomerang effect Jacobs withdrew it thereupon.
 Miller then explained that he op