The San Francisco call., 1908-03-12

answered to any such questions or question that
he did so confirm; or that In substance and eff
l deny that Mr.. Langdon. in my presence or
hearing II, my house on Green street on any oc-
casion when Ruef was there or when DIT kaplan
was there, or at any other time or place, said
to Ruef In substance "It is understood that we
did not discuss with you the matter of the
withdrawal of the plea of 'guilty'-you can re-
ly on the reverend gentlemen"
ULTIMATUM GIVEN
And aver that Mr.. Langdon and myself. aud
each of us. did say to Mr. Ruef in the pres
ence of DIR. kaplan, DR.. Nieto and Mr. Burns
casion that Ruef was there that we would not
agree to permit him to withdraw his plea Oh
guilty M In the French restaurant case ana w4ua QUIZ
our ultimatum was that he must plead guilty
In the French restaurant case and take nus
chances as to what punishment would be meted
out to him therein.
deny that on any occasion at my house when
sngdon haea Dr. kapan Dr. Nsto and Burns o. ant ~
any other time, / stated to Ruef. or Langdon
said to Ruef in my presence or hearing, tnat
OF. other cases Mr.. Ruef was to keep secret
all arrangements or any arrangements relative
or Mr. Langdon in my presence or hearing at
any time requested DR.. kaplan to keep secret
posed agreement m % for iInaS immunity tA with Ruef
And l aver that at all times DR.. kaplan
urged Mr.. Langdon and myself and particularly
myself to keep his connection with the matter
secret. because as a minister of religion ne
did not want to get mixed up in it before
the the signing Of the immunity H agreement s WITH
Ruef DR.. Kaplan in visiting my office always
am informed and believe entered through a
back gate, into a yard on a side street and
came through the kitchen. that he would
not be observed by any one, because he did
not want 1t known that he was connected with
deny that Mr. Ruef agreed in my presence
at any time or place to accede to the condi-
tions demanded by the prosecution.
l deny that 1, Mr.. Langdon In my pres
ence. or hearing. said to Ruef at any time or
place that all the charges which had been
brought against him, which might thereafter
be brought against him, would be dismissed as
against him, including the French restaurant
case, which then trial before Judge
Dunno.
And deny that 1. or Langdon in my presenee.
at any time or place, stated to Ruef that IN
that case the plea Of guilty which be
to enter would Or could thereafter be Withdrawn.
or the case dismissed.
l deny that after Mr.. Ruef had agreed to ac-
made his agreement with the district attorney
or myself. at any time whatever. informed DR..
kaplan that we were satisfied with Mr. Ruef,s
actions, or that was satisfied with Mr.. Ruef's
actions. or that any one connected with the
prosecution was satisfied with Mr.. Ruefs ac-
tions. or that we were satisfied with the state
ments any of the statements Mr.. Ruef
had made. that / was satisfied with the
statements or any of the statements that Mr.
prosecution was satisfied with the statements
or any of the statements that Mr.. Ruef had
in accordance with the terms of his contract
with us, or otherwise, or at all; and deny
that after Mr.. Ruef had testified before the
grand Jury, at any other time, / expressed
to DIR. Kaplan or stated to him that we were
satisfied with the testimony given by Mr.. Ruef
with the testimony given by Ruef Before the
grand jury. or that any one connected with
given by Ruef before the grand jury.
TESTIMONY UNSATISFACTORY
And 1 deny that after Mr. Ruef testified in
the Schmitz case 1 stated to DR.. Kaplan that
l satisfied with his testimony in that case.
that were satisfied with his testimony In
that case, or that any one connected with the
prosecution was satisfied with his testimony
On the contrary. 1 aver that 1 repeatedly
told DIR. Kaplan that we not satisfied
with Ruef's testimony before the grand jury.
I personally was not satisfied with Ruef's testi-
testimony in the schmitz case.
deny that as late as October 2. 1907. the
day when the prosecution closed the testimony
in the first Ford trial. 1 assured Or. Kap-
Ian. stated to him that the agreements with
Langdon stated any such thing to him in my
presence or hearing or with my knowledge
or consent
admit that stated to DIR. Kaplan in my
office that l never went back on my word;
time t0id him that T had % my reasons for not
calling Mr.. Ruef as a witness In the Ford
trial. but that l would put him on the stand in
tried and | deny that 1 ever told DIR. Kaplan
that / would put Ruef on the stand as a wit
ness in the Ford trial or in the Calhoun case.
l deny that l stated to. DR.. kaplan that
''Mr. Ruef is no fool, and he would say all
that is expected of him in the Calhoun case"
or that in substance and effect; and I deny
that l ever asked DR.. Kaplan to get Ruef to
furnish any testimony of any kind whatever.
or TO ask Ruef any question whatever.
And affiant further deposes and says In reply
to the first and second affdavits Of Abraham
Ruef, heretofore filed herein:
1 deny that Ruef did from the oath day CT
May. 1907. to and until the 18th day of jan