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Gospel Discussion at POrteryille.
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marks by saying that he did not BIZ
lieve in abuse and further that an
resorting to 1t was surely not of Goo
His opinion differed from Re,
Oliver in regards to Persistence. Fl
quoted John lila; 6:62; 1928
1875; l Peter 1:20 and proved be
yond shadow of doubt that Chris
preexisted. How could Christ hav
said, 20! Father, glorify Thou M
with Thine own self with the glor,
which ] had with Thee before th,
world was" if He had not preexisted
That man likewise had a preexist
ence in the spirit world was main
tanned and proved from the following
Heb. 1873; Mum. 1922; 27:16; lisa
57:16; Eccl 1877; Jer. 1:4-5. Elder
Hammond wanted to know of Rev
Oliver how it were possible for the
Lord or anyone else to have had an
acquaintance with Jer. before he was
born If he had not had a preexist-
ence; and asked for positive proof If
such could be had. He also wanted
to know to whom God promised eter-
nal life. If it were the angels or
Christ or someone else where He said
in Titus liz: "In hope of eternal life,
which God that cannot lie promised
before the world began" God must
OF necessity have promised it to some
one who should become heir to eter-
nal life or else be accused of making
an absurd prediction concerning
some unnecessary future event Ex-
ception was taken to Rev. divers
statement that God chooses those
who choose Him" and reference was
given to Eph. 1:4-5; where God says
that He had chosen us in Christ even
before the foundation of the world.
1t was maintained that man had
dual existence viz. first spiritual ex-
istence which might be called a first
probation or state of probation
which our spirits had gone through
before their advent upon earth; and
a second, or temporal Cor mortal)
probation. This was proven from the
following references, Jude verse
And the angels which kept not their
first estate, Cor probation) but left
their own habitation,, He hath re-
served in everlasting chains under
darkness unto the Judgment of the
great day" Elder Hammond, here,
asked why Jude made mention of a
first position Tor estate) when such
thing was not to be thought of. |
These angels who kept not their first
estate were Satan and his angels who |
were condemned and cast down to |
earth, Rev. 1919 Satan here can
only be conceived off as a spirit and
so also his angels. Satan and his
angels. Satan and his angels consti-
tuted one-third of the host of heaven.
These spiritual beings, we are told.
were at war against Michael and his
angels. which constituted the other
division of the heavenly host or two
thirds that remained loyal to God
The result of this war of the spirits
was the Punishment of Satan and his
ngels from God and the impossibility
,f them becoming heirs to Salvation
through Christ.
The blessing given Michael and his
lngels consisted in the possibility of
eternal progression viz. in being per-
nitted to go through mortal proba-
ion and become heirs to- eternal life
Trough Christ Jesus which as we
re told were promised them by God
a the spirit world. Tit. 1:2; where t
hey so CALAMITY kept their first es- {
ate. Can there be any doubt as to G
HON Michael and his angels were?
'ro. Oliver denies that mortal men h
ere the angels who fought with
lichael against Satan and his angels p
ut he says that Michael is Christ T
no afterwards tabernackled in the F
esh. Elder Hammond next asked
lie question: Who was referred to in S
Do 3S:4-7 where 1t says when the r
orning stars sang together and all II
e sons of God shouted for joy?" a
no were all these sons of Godo
ere they not the ones whom God | f
omised eternal life before the foun-
Ition of the world? Were they the V,
les for whom God created an earth? ia
ere these not the ones whom God
ose in Christ before the foundation al
the world and for whom a Savior m
Is prepared before the foundation st
the earth? Eph. las. If these d.
re not the spirits who should have
second probation by coming to TO
rth and be heirs to eternal life TO
'ough whom we're they?
d why was Christ chosen as ne
,pitiation for sin before the foun- re
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