The Montgomery advertiser., 1908-12-22
MIR. CARNEGIE
 AS 4 WITNESS Scotchman Twits the
 Committee TESIIFIEs AS TO TARIFF Doesn't Think Stesl Industry Needs
 Protection Lsira ct sksbo Has Fua At the Ex- psn.s of PolitIel.ps snd Gives
 Them sems sensisie Advice.

F
 washington, Dec. 3i.--Andrew Car negie, famous for the millions he made in the steel business, and for his views on economic problems, made a most entertaining and if not instructive wit- ness before the House Ways and Means Committee today. in connection with the proposed revision of the tarin.
 owing to the statements made in . magazine article by Mir. Carnegie. it became the basis of the questions ask on the steel schedule was held.
 As the testimony of various steel men were at variance with the state- ments made by Mir. .' Carnegie, the conl- mittee invited him to come to Wash ington and give any information that the committee could use in deterInin- ing upon proposed changes Tn the clined to accept the invitation. he was subponaed to appear when authority to call witnesses In that manner was granted by Congress.
 Mfr. Carnegie was to have been heard nearly two weeks ago but asked for postponefnent. evidently for the pur- pose of having the committee secure the testimony of other steel magnates
 Although he was on the stand for nearly eight hours, Mir. Carnegie laughed and joked good naturedly throughout. He exasperated several of the stand patters' with his epi- gramatic replies. praised the genius of Charles M! Schwab. urged the com mittee to accept the testimony of Judge E. H. aary ae conclusive and told several funny stories. He avoided fig iires. however. to such an extent that 1t is doubtful if the tarin framers are any more enlightened on the steel question tonight than they were before Mir. Carnegie was sworn In by Chair man Payne at e;so o'clock this morn
 Lmamhs With Carnegie. E The crowded hearing room frequApts N rang with peaIs of iahghter at the duibs Of Mr. Carnegie. who seemed to. he In splendid shape for the questions asked by Representatives palzeH and Payne. At one point Mir. Payne leaned over and whispered to Mir. Daiseii. who sat at his right.
 T wish the Chairman would tell me what he said to Mr. Dalzell: I think I ought to know" Mir. Carnegie protested.
 There was a roar of laughter through out the room. but Mir. Payne made no reply. Leaning over with his hand. to his heart. and his head cooked to one aide. in intimafion of the attitude as- guu,ed by MT. Payne in whispering te MT. DalxelL MT. Carnegie said: T should say that your words were tho
 Mr. Carnegie was not willing to deal in figures. tN
 "The more figures you get. the more you VII be befogged, I don't judge by figures given by interested parties.' he said. at another point Tn his testi- raor1y. T judge by results"
 The former steel magnate said that fudge Gary had issued an annual abatement chewing that the United states Steel Corporation had made nroflt of Sf5s.0oO,000 which he said eoualied profit of Sl5.5O ton on all steel produced
 D Mfr. Carnegie, avoided replies to ques- tions as to whether tse cost of produe- ing steel at the present time, as given by Judge Gary and Mir, schwaD' was : MT. schwab's estimates of the pres ent cost is based on entirely different Ideas than his estimate on the cost In 1888" was all that Mr, Carnegie would
 Replying to question from Mr; the removal of the duty on steel would not necessarily anect the pIiiSss because Europe could not sneeesszn..ff compete with the American prouuce d by former witnesses were absolutely correct. steel stock would be selling far below par.
 Mr. CarnegIa spoke of the difacui- ties he experienced with directors iS- uorant of the steel business.
 T gradually bought them out ana got men ike Schwab aroundNme and we made the cheapest steel that has ever been made he said.
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 You've been. out of steel some tinle.' said Mr. Payne. Can you tell us where we can get the hgures on the present cost of making steelE
 "I don't know whether you can get the figures" was his reply. If judge was interested in Q case you would not respect his decision, would your he asked, referring to the steel manufacturers who have appeared be- fore the committee.
 There was no reply to MT. carne-
 ~siience in the court room." he Iaughingly remarked. "It's too bad have to submit to be cross examined and can't get a chance to cross ex- anime these dignitaries."
 Mr. Carnegie asserted that at the rate at which iron ores are being extracted. the supply would be ex-
 
 statement on the best expert opinion he could obtain, he said. He also said that England would be ih the same condition in seven years.
 The testimony of Judge Gary was frequently referred to in the ques- tions asked of Mir. Carnegie. Refer enee was made particularly to a state ment that the duty on steel could be taken off as far as the steel corpor- ation Is concerned and MT. Carnegie said this portion should be accepted by the committee.
 An argument was preciptated by this statement between Messrs. Payne and Dalzsll on one side. claiming that Judge Gary did not say the>duty could be removed on all steel products and Mr. Cochran on the other hand claim ing that Judge Gary's testimony was to that effect.
 Judge Gary has summarized the facts for you" said Mfr. Carnegie. land should depend on them. He has told you that they don't need the duty. If the cost of steel rails has increased abroad as it has here. you will Ind Judge 0aTy's stAtsment