New-York tribune., 1908-04-29
JEROME HEARING SPICY
POLICE WITNESSES PAID.
Other Net. Expenses Introduced
4mid Retorts of Counsel.


the Jerome hearing yesterday afternoon four OF
the twenty-three charges made by the King com
uittee against the District Attorney had oeen
disposed Of although testimony had been
heard and evidence taken only on the hrst charge
Franklin Pierce, counsel for the committee SAID
he would submit the second. third and fourth
charges as evidence bearing upon the first as Gov
ernor Hughes had already ruled them out
The examination of Lewis E. Julian took up
practically whole day yesterday. Under Cruel
ling cross-examination by Mr.. Jerome. Julian ad-
mitted knowledge of the of money by the Met
ropolitan Street Railway Company to corrupt wit
nesses and Jurors, and otherwise influence YER,
diets: he acknowledged that it was rule of the
company TO pay policemen S day during the time
they were under subpoena witnesses for the COM
pany and often while they subppnaed by the
plaintiffs,
The witness in his manner and replies showed
some vindictiveness toward the District Attorney,
who twice had had him indicted, and he
claimed: Now that l know YOU employed jury
bribers in your office. I think l will ask for a
change of venue when my comes up for trial
On another occasion he accused Mr.. Jerome OF
having prosecuted him since he had laid be-
fore the District Attorney evidence Of what he
called the corrupt practices of the Metropolitan
He testified the presentation of 500 gold
watch to Coroner Hoeber by Metropolitan law
yer
Mr. Pierce for the King committee. introduced
as evidence number of the resurrected vouchers
which Mr. Jerome characterizes stolen among
dreds of dollars for hats supposedly for pTesenta-
tion to jurors, clerks and witnesses. Mr.. Je-
found a good deal of amusement in this and.
exasperated. Mr.. Pierce turned to him and re-
marked that perhaps the District Attorney would
like TO see the continuance of such practices.
II hope they wil keep giving hats people
need them was Mr. Jerome's retOrt.
The district Attorney early in the day carried the
battle into the enemys territory He said that
from what he had found out about the methods OF
6iy he be
thing il might cause TO be done TO injure
him. Il have in my possession he cried, "a let
fer from one of the members OF the King commit
tee 10 the relatives OF convicted murderer.
can produce this letter, If necessary. In it this
member of the King committee soliclts funds for
the further prosecution of these charges against
mo and offers return 10 make additional charges
against me in connection with the Albert / Pat
rick case
The hearing Yesterday was marked by frequent
and sharp retorts between counsel. Mr.. Jeromes
attitude irritated Mir Pierce exceedingly. on one
occasion the District Attorney referred TO some
evidence Nr Pierce attempting to introduce
a.. ..7ri,r,Iire nonsense" Nj. Pierce sprang 10 his
feet is that to call me dribbling nonsense? :?
he shouted Am I stand up here and be openly
iDsllted Uhumpng the table,? Am I 10 be -
Both OF YOU must respect the dignity OF this
court" commanded Mr. Hand, interrupting- 1
am surprised at your loss of temper. Mr.. Pierce,
and" (smiling) MIR. jerome did not call 'drib-
bling nonsense, a matter Of fact
?
fessedly stolen documents" Mr.. Pierce became
sressfve in a moment Now, don't get excited"
remarked the District Attorney, soothinsly- 4
didn't say you stole them had anything do
with the theft" He then referred to Stanley Bagg
as remarkably clever penman, who could sign
the name George Z. Bagg well IS George X.
himself could After long wrangling the
vouchers Mr.. Jerome asked the court: Does your
honor want to so with this kind of stuff"
I don't to- but I must" replied Mr.. Hand,
md Mr.
Julian testified that there were some corrupt dis
bursements in his department but he didn't think
that he himself bribed witness" He re-
peatedly lodged Mr.. JerOme's question, did you
ever know Of d single case where money was used
to bribe a Witness" He finally answered that he
did think any money was used in his de-
partment He told, however. of attempt made
by a man in his department bribe juror for
which he fined $3.50 by Judge
The witness was palpably nervous under Mr.. Je-
romes rapid fire OF questions, but finally said that
his department was pure SO far as jurors went"
Then he testified the Metr0politan's generous
treatment Of policemen.
After recess the hat vouchers came up for
discussion. Now, what were these hats used for"
asked Mr.. Pierce referring TO payment of $3.50 65
for Knox hats
my learned friend does not to ask what
hats are generally used for" and a litter ran
around the room.
This may be funny matter with the District
Attorneys Office" shouted Mr.. Pierce.
oh no" retoTted Mr.. jerome; we never got
any Of the hats, and Laughing ! defy you to
prove we did. We don't wear Knox hats
Mr.. Jerome JuIian's police record. and
with great sarcasm asked him il he had been ar
rested so frequently that could not recall the
dates Then he wanted to know if. as a matter
of fact he had not put In false vouchers and
stolen money from the Metropolitan. Julian
came angry under the continued fire. retorted
sharply:
Since l went to your Office al your request TO
tell what know about Metropolitan corruption ii
! seems 10 me that every act I have committed has
been criminal
Commissioner Hand warned him 10 answer ques-
tions and not TO make arguments. 4 beg your
honors pardon he said. bat I have been so per-
secuted since I went Mr.. Jerome two years ago
that it has been hard for me-
Yes you have had some experience with me
| in the arrest line, and you are likely to have
some more before 1 get through with you Mr..
Jerome told Julian another occasion.
Julian said, after much hesitation. in reply to
question. that he did think he had committed
criminal act while in the employ Of the Metro
politau. and later Mr.. Jerome brought out that he
| had received nay from Mr.. Pierce for assisting
the latter in preparing mis- case against the Dis
! trict Attorney.
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