The San Francisco call., 1908-03-12

hear It - Affsnt then said in substance: These
people whose opinions I hear and whose collected
you are telling the truth TO the prosecution. ard
don think you are. Ruef replied: Professor
Bunnei, am telling the truth
Affant had at least two other cony ersations
with Ruef subsequent occasions and to the
best OF atlantis recollection and belief the other
two~conyersa items were held at the place of con
dnement of Ruef at the of Pacific and
Fillmore streets in this city and county. 1t IS
difficult for afhant to separate the things that
were said in the different conversations. but in
some one or more of these conversations Ruef
stated to affant in substance: IF 1 had not
engaged in politics In this city. and county
would be richer man than ] am. You will
derstand, professor, that having become engaged
IN political affafrs could not withdraw when l
would have liked TO do So 1t was impossible
for me to give up all connection with the po-
lftfcal machinery that / had set moving. and II
would have been injustice to the public in
terest for me to withdraw. I made every eff
an improper way TO get profit for themselves
They We're greedy lot and made every effort
to moderate their demands
In another interview with Mr. Ruef afHant
said III substance to him: ''Mr. Ruef speaking
about this matter of yours, it seems to me that
you are now on the verge of precipice. Just
as often as you do not appear in these cases
and tel; the truth just SO often you are injuring
higher ups as they have been called. take
great delight in your making your position worse,
and that in my Judgment you are doing. If you
were my brother or my ] should advise you
TO tell the truth and the whole truth. about all
matters connected with these graft cases
sations.
Soon after atlantis return from the country as
above specified, ] met Rabbi Nieto and had nu-
merous conversations with him. Affant i'm
pressed upon him his belief that Abraham Ruef
times whether he did not think it . good plan
for us TO meet Ruef together But he would
not accede to that proposition-not refusing to
90 SO In set terms, but making evasiye re-
ply TO me-
SUGGESTS CONTRIBUTION
In one conversation that had with Dr. Nieto
he said TO me: If Abraham Ruef would con
would undoubtedly settle the whole matter" To
which afhant replied: You cannot possibly en-
tertain that view. DR.. Nieto. You know his
the Deneht of the public would not relieve him
OF the wrong doing he has been guilty of. You
that at which we are now talking. he formed a
definite plan of organizing matters in such a
way IN this city that he, with Mayor Schmtz
eouid enrich themselves, and that they have been
doing this? Nothing would be right and nothing
would set matters right but truth telling his
part"
In one conversation, after DR.. Nieto had said
TO afhant that the prosecution believed that Ruef
only yesterday William ]. Burns said to me that
Ruef was not telling the truth His mental at
titude in all his conversations with affant was
not that Of a man that thinking broadly of
the interest or the public. but that of who
was seeking at cost to defend Abraham
Ruef. He remarked TO me In conversation
that Abraham Ruef had received fees it was
true. but that they were fees such other law
: eGic HaDlludllf received, TO winch i replied.
That is not the right view to take of those so
called fees. The moneys given to him were not
really fees. but were bribe moneys"
Later on, in the corridor of the Temple Israel
DIR. Nieto said TO affant after affant had re-
marked to him that Abraham Ruef not tell
ing the truth Ruef is a liar
After the arraignment of Ruef on the charge
Of bribery affant went to Ruef's office in San
Francisco and there was introduced to Rabbi
Kaplan. When affant was about to leave the
office. in which were Abraham Ruef, his father
and Rabbi Kaplan: Rabbi Kaplan said to af-
; PrnfQ 70 f,,.
ther- Will You wait for few moments?
left the office and the door was closed. leaving
minutes. After leaving with the doctor and 60
ing out into the street affant said: Doctor. /
what | am now going to say to you, but think
you must be aware that Abraham Ruef almost
formed a deliberate plan in conjunction with ex-
Mayor Schm1tZ. which he carried out with per-
sistency in unfair and corrupt ways to obtain
money from the public here In San Francisco In
my opinion the sums of money that are specified
in these graft prosecutions insignificant when
compared with the amount of money that he has
! received here from the public In corrupt ways
He is not telling the truth in my Judgment. "
He said in reply to afiiant that he thought Ruef
telling the truth. He said that Re would
ike TO arrange a meeting of ourselves with Mr.
Burns. This DIR. Kaplan arranged. said to
! linn way to meet Mr.. Burns: Since
think have made myself perfectly clear TO you
before. cannot see the use of this interview. I
aud that the prosecution should be sustained be-
cause they are in the right. He replied in sub
seeing Mr. Burns?" Affiant said: THAT IS for for
you TO determine. You know my position in this
matter We went on and met Mr. Burns at his
office.
(slgned) GEO. WOODBURY. BUNNELL
| Subscribed ana sworn TO before be this Goth
| day of February. 1908.
(Sfgned} L. H. COND0N
Notary public in and for the city and county of
San Francisco state of California
(Seal.)
McCARTHY'S AFFIDAVIT
John f. Mccarthy, who was en-
ployed by Elisor Biggy as one of the
guards in charge Of Ruef, refutes
Ruefs declarations that he was never
allowed any privacy while held in Gus
tody at the Fillmore street prison
| houses. Mccarthy declares that Myr-
/ tile Cert and George Keane were con-
stant visitors at the places of deten-
i tion and that on the occasion of many
of their visits the door to the room in