The Birmingham age-herald. [volume] (Birmingham, Ala.) 1902-1950, 1907-03-06

orally good except that he could not re-
member the number of shots he fired at
Stanford White. The witness said he
thought Thaw's delusions in the Tom BIS
were of an unsystematized character, but
he would not classify them as being those
of dementia praecox or any other mental
disease. Thaw's condition at that time
was not such as to warrant it's character
ization paranoic or fixed form. either
of adolescent insanity or dementia prae-
cox.
The decisions which Thaw showed Dr.
Wagner said, was not altogether unlike
those of some forms of paranoia.
Cannot Name Decisions.
"Can you name one delusion which was
not closely connected with Stanford
White and the group of men surrounding
him?' asked Mr.. Jerome.
mo, l don't know that I can"
"lNhen his decisions were systematized ?'
II would not say that"
DR.. Wagner then told of the visit to
the Tombs on September 49, when Thaw
refused to allow an examination, using
the almost exact language DR.. Evans used
in describing the same visit, and stating
the same conclusions.
Mr.. Jerome asked DR.. Wagner IL he
could tell what form of insanity the de-
PENDANT is suffering from today.
I've not examined him since last Octo-
ber," replied DIR. Wagner, land you can
not. Mr.. District Attorney, make any of
my answers apply to the present time,
and in addition L may say that the de-
PENDANTS state of mind is not before the
court.
THANK YOU" said Mr.. Jerome, bowling.
you are welcome"
DR.. Wagner said that when he visited
Thaw in the Tombs on September % last
he was of the opinion that the defendant
was still insane. He visited him three
days later and found him somewhat i'm
proved, but still suffering from mental
disorders.
Mr.. Jerome asked DR.. Wagner for the
details of mental examination, consist
ting of questions and answers he had
subjected Thaw to in the Tombs on the
occasion of his visit on September 49, Mr.
Delmas objected on the ground that when
Dr. Wagner was on the stand for direct
examination he had not been allowed to
testify as to these questions and an
swers, Mr.. Jeromes objections having
been sustained.
Staring Look.
Mr.. Jerome replied that there was no
objection to the introduction to this
evidence after the proper founda ton was
laid, as was the case when DR.. Evans
was on the stand. After a long argu-
ment Justice Fitzgerald sustained the OBJ
lection Dr. Wagner said that Thaws
eyes had a staring look in them when
he saw him in the Tombs.
Have you looked at his fAce while in
court?" asked Mr.. Jerome.
II have"
Have you noticed his eyes?
Yes, in casual way"
us 1t not fact that his eyes are so
formed as TO give them a staring look?"
urbn hn fbat, xxyid 10
What is the difference in the express
sion of his eyes today as compared with
September % last?''
II can't say. 1 have not examined
them sufficiently in court today
What did you learn when you visited
LAS l did not visit him on that date
did not learn anything" retorted DR..
Wagner.
well, October 8, them"
'Mr. Thaw was still restless and sus-
picious in manner. but these symptoms
were not so marked as before"
did what you saw at that time influ-
ence your opinion as to his sanity?'
Knew He Was Insane.
81 had already made up my mind on
that point"
when did you finally make up your
mind that Thaw was insane?"
''At the time of the first visit to the
Tombs."
Did the family history which Thaw
gave you in the Tombs influence your
judgment in deciding that he was in
sane?" asked the district attorney
Mr. Delmas objected and was sustained
DIR. Wagner declared that the Informal
ton he received from Thaw was not of
material importance. The witness when
asked regarding Thaws will and codicils,
said he would not characterize the in
sanity they Indicated as paranoia. He