The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1907-01-10

CHICAGO, Jan. e-M. c. Markham,
traffic manager of the Missouri Pacific.
was the first witness called before the
Interstate Commerce commission when
the investigation of the Hartman lines
was resumed. Mr. Markham was ques-
toned by G. A. Severance of ST. Paul.
acting for the commission,
The witness was asked if the Unlor
Pacific and Southern Pacific were, prior
TO their consolidation, competitors for
transcontinentsl business. He said they
were.
Before going TO the Missouri Pacific
Mr.. Markham was connected with the
Illinois Central. and he said that bot5
roads were extensive competitors for
Pacific coast business originating along
the line of the Illinois Central.
Was there any lessening of compe-
tltion after the consolidation?
cit was generally understood that
the competition was less.
Mr. Markham declared that in his
opinion the Union Pacific was not
link in transcontinental transportation,
as contended Yesterday by the at.
torneys of Mr.. Hartman, but as long
as the Portland gateway Is open, il
is pacific coast line in itself, The
witness said that before the consoG-
dation the Union and Southern Pacific
lines were competitors for the Cali
fornia fruit trade and for passenger
business, also.
Hints at Influences.
Mr. Markham was cross.exnmined BY
Mr.. Milburn, who took exception to the
statement made by the witness that he
considered the Union Pacific an iude-
pendent Pacific line. He asked the wit
ness ii the Southern Pacific. acting as
an independent line, could not give the
Union Pacific large or small amount
of east~bound traffic at Ogden.
- don Z know whether it could OF
not There are influences ar work which
would prevent 1t,
''But the Southern Pacific. as an in
dependent line, might do this =,
''lt might. and destroy itself.
Mr.. Milburn then asked il the Union
Pacific, via Portland to San Francisco,
was to be compared TO direct line
west of Ogden.
The witness replied;
"The rate settled those things. and
rates can be made as low via Port
land TO San Francisco as by any other
route. -
Mr.. Markham said that while acting
as assistant traffic manager OF the
Illinois Central it was understood that
traffic originating west of line
drawn from Cairo to the vicinity of
Cleveland was TO go west via Ogden,
traffic originating enst of that line was
TO 60 via New Orleans.
Was Not Competitor.
Mr. Milburn brought out the state.
ment that in all Pacific coast traf6o
originating on the Illinois Central, that
line and the Southern Pacific must be
factors, his object being to show that
however the traffic went, the Southern
Pacific was certain TO he an element,
and could not be, in all cases, construed
as q competitor of the Union Pacific.
Commissioner Lane asked the witness
If he considered all transcoutinental
lines as competitors TO the extent that
the Canadian Pacific is competitor Of
the southern Pacific, The witness re-
piled in the Affirmative.
Commissioner Clements asked when
the Union Pacific and Southern Pacific
were competing for Illinois Central
traffic. if the rates were identical by
both lines.
THE published rates were the
same. he replied.
In answer to questions by Commits
sioner Knapp the witness said that the
only difference to the Illinois Central
made by the combination of the two
roads was that of the freight that the
Illinois Central was compelled TO ship
Via Omaha, which would have otherwise
been taken by New Orleans, making n
loss to it of 400-mile haul and n cor
loss IN revenue.
Stubbs Talks Of Rates.
The next witness was J. C. Stubbs,
traffic director OF the Union and South
ern Pacific system. Answering many
questions. Mr.. Stubbs said that the
rates from Pittsburg 10 the Atlantic.
thence via the Morgan steamship
lines and Southern Pacific to Cali
fornia are the same as those via the
all-rail route, but he believes very little
freight from Pittsburg. Buffalo or
Wheeling ever went that way. Asked
his Chicago Office could not
route freight either via New Orleans
or Ogden, witness said that the line
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