The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1907-11-16
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III Kelly nesey,ta Talk nj Dives.


Kelly Resenta Talk OF Dives.
Mr.. Phil. G.. Kelly, q liquor dealer
spoke at length against the ordinance
from the viewpoint OF the saloon. He
said that Mr.. Dadmuns attempt to con.
meet tho Church Hill assault case
With the bars simply exiyted in his
imagination.
He resented Mr.. umiaure reference
to dirty saloons" and added that the
remarks of the temperance people indt.
Gated that they We're sincere, but pre-.
JUDGED. Moreover, ho said that he did
not know n place IN Richmond that
could be called n dive" but that IL
any existed 1t was the duty of the
police to find and suppress them
Hadn't You better accept the drop
ping of 100 saloons to all?" Mr. Kelley
was asked by Mr.. Pollard. "1'he time
seems to be coming when all will co."
Mr.. Kelley said he was not prepared
to speak for the business generally.
''Thc situation is this" said Mr. Pol
lard: Public sentiment is demanding
restrictions and you saloon people
want nothing"
Mr.. Emanuel Gunst. representing the
wholesale dealers, and representatives
of the Brewery Workers Union and the
Alliance of German Citizens, urged the
committee not to pass the Dabnoy ordi-
~ NN"hSa sSS'A . -
iensth.
,fr. Umlnurs Prediction.
Mr.. Enilauf and Mr.. Dadnun closed
the debate for the temperance forces.
"Soms bright morning" said Mr.. UNI
lauf "tEe saloon men Will wake UP and
And their business gone. have start.
ed out for nothing but regulation. The
people are going to have 1t, and the
LIQUOR people MAY chorge 1t to them
ielvos alone If they are driven out"
At this point there was an unusual
proceeding. Mr.. Emanuel Gunst. Cd
dressing Chairman Wood. asked that
Mr.. Umlauf confine his remarks to the
question and stop making threats. No
attention however, was paid to this.
and Mr.. Umlauf proceeded. He referred
to the Objectionable policy of having
women summoned to the Hastings
Court to testify in order to rid their
sections of the saloons. gut we arc
determined" he said. "to have the
residential and tho factory sections rid
OF the saloons"
In closing Dr.. Dadmun said that the
temperance forces made no promise
that they would stop with the close of
some saloons.
mlstakes when they heS' o gsopse m anS.
effort to curtnil the liquor traffic, and
referred TO the good conditions which
e gGu1d Prsvail when the evil had been
Tn. time allotted the speakers hay.
ing expired. Chairman Wood announced
that the committee would go into
executive session. Mr.. Dabney and
Mr.. Pollock opposed It. and their open
session motion prevailed.
MT. Dabney spoke for, his. ordinance.
Sayimm That nhan he VA, wanted i adopted
nr.lvn1 h., Nnn haf
By Committee on Ordinance, Charter
and Reform. In declaring that he
represented no class or faction, Mr..
pabney replied rather warmly to the
Mr. Dadmun that he wanted liquor
every way to the saloon.
The measure. he said, was in the na-
by the liquor people and the saloons.
which was rather queer when It had
been charged that he represented both
factions. He deprecated n factional
fight at the polls. when Council had
an ordinance which was in the In
terest OF harmony.
Says There Are Low Bars.
II do not pose as saint" said Mr..
low bars In this city, which ought to
he eliminated. Mr.. Phil q. Kelly to the
contrary, Notwithstanding. l have
stood In the Police Court and heard a
q man who was SO drunk lie could not
lift the glass to his lips. IN preparing
tllis ordinances. and I was the first to
suggest that the saloons lie taken out
of the residential sections. I went to
every bar with the Chief OF Police.
II did not consult any special crowd. |
hut l talked with saloon people and
with leading citizens. I am rot here
10 represent liquor people nor the Anti !
Saloon League. Each accuses me OF
the other. But this is |
not question of temperance for us
u consider now. want this ordinance
to stand or foil on the regulation of
tho liquor traffic"
The COMMITTEES was getting into a
deeper discussion when It reconsIdered /
the motion TO work until 8 a. NJ. or
theren oout, and voted to meet next
Friday afternoon. No citizens will be