The Washington herald. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1906-1939, 1907-02-19

him.
Il asked him why he had carried a pis-
tGl. and he said Roger O'Mara. an indie
pendent detective IN Pittsburg. had adj
vised him 10 do so after he had told
O'Mara that on several occasions thugs
had iostled him In an attempt to get him
into "A quarrel and street brawl- He said
these-thugs were the hired agents Of
Stanford White. who did not want to
take the responsibility and danger Of
making u personal attack. He said White
had hired the Monk Eastman gang 20 get
him into "a quarrel and then beat or kick
him 20 death.
Scientific Deductions.
The witness next went into a descrip-
ton of his third visit to Thaw on Sep
tember 49, He was accompanied by DR..
Wagner and Mr.. Hartridge. Thaw came
into the room again carrying the paste
board box full OF papers Mr. Hartridge
had tried to induce him to give up the
papers Thaw said the papers had to be
looked after at once. He then turned
abruptly about and left the room. say
ing: Good day. doctor. / am very sorry.
Il told him the papers hadn't anything
to 90 with my examination. but he went
out Of the room and that ended the visit"
as a result Of that visit did you draw
any scientific deductions from Mr.. Thaw's
action?"
Yes He displayed a highly explosive
mental makeup in that without adequate
cause ne dismissed his counsel and physi-
clans after he had agreed in advance that
we should come here for the purpose indi-
Gated. He displayed defective reason in
putting aside professional men whom he
had been assured were there through no
nfriendlinoss
Did he mention 20 you the names Of
any Of the young women who he said
had suffered wrongs at the hands Of STAN
ford White?' asked Mr. Delmas.
Before the witness could answer Mr.
Delmas withdrew the question and asked
Dr. Evans If he had read the codicil to
Harry Thaws will The witness said he
had read it in part and had heard all Of
it read
Did he mention 10 you the names that
appear IN the codicii?''
District Attorney Jerome objected to
the question In this form and It was
Withdrawn.
Did Mr. Thaw say to you that he was
not insane"
Declares He Is Sane.
'Yes. sir He said 7 am not insane.
us it a common thing for persons suf-
fering from unsound mind 10 protest
that they are not insane2"
1t is very common-about 95 per cent
Of them do it,
Or. Evans said Thaw declared that per
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who would say he was insane. but he did
not think they could prove it.
Relating Thaw-s act OF self-iHpoTtance.
DR.. Evans said He wanted me TO
understand that he was Harry Kendall
Thaw. Of Pittsburg; that ne was the one
and only Harry Kendall ThaW. and there
were no others"
What conclusion did YOU reach as TO
Thaw's declaration that hts act had been
an act Of Providence
THAT it was an insane delusion'
Are not repentance. remOrse. and fear
OF punishment the normal conditions Of a
sane man after be has committed an act
OF homicide. ana the absence OF these ele-
ments an evidence Of uns0undness of
mind?'
As a rule. reTorse and repentance are
found in the sane mind and, in my opin-
ion, the absence Of these feelings Is an in
die9tlon of mental unsoundness."
This ended the direct examination of
Dr. Evans. who was withdrawn TO en-
able the defense 90 recall Dr. Charles q.
Wagner superintendent % the state Hos
pital for the Insane at Binghamton. y.
Y. DIT. Wagner accompanied Dr. Evans
IN most OF his visits 20 Thaw in the
Tombs. and testified briefly last week,
giving it as his opinion. IN response 20 a
hypothetical question. that Thaw was in
sane al the time he shot and killed Stan
ford White
Dr. Wagner had not been allowed when
on the stand previously TO relate his con-
versation with Thaw Under the rule that
conversations at the time a person is OF
unsound mind are admissible. DR. Wag-
ner was recalled TO tell Of these CONVEX
sations.
Refuses TO Be Examined.
AS result Of your visits to Mr.. Thaw
on August p and September 10 last. did
YOU reach a conclusion as TO the mental
condition of the defendant" asked Mr..
Delmas
Yes replied DR.. Wagner; in my
opinion he was at that time insane.
When / visited him on August 2 he told
me that Drs Austin Flint. Carlos Mac
Donald. and William Mabon had visited
him and had asked permission TO examine
him, but he had refused to allow them
to do sa."
The three physicians mentioned are the
alienists employed by the State in this
case.
Mr. Thaw said Dr. Dana also had
called. but he had refused 10 let him con-
duet an examination. although he was
sent by his own attorneys. He said the
lawyers and doctors were in collision
with the district attorneys office to run
him into an asylum and prevent his case
coming to trail Tbaw always referred
10 Stanford White by an epithet such as
The beast or the blackguaTd or the
dead man. and never by his right name -
DR.. Wagner said ne asked Thaw why he
had killed stanford White.
He said. continued the witness. that
he had no thought of killing White that
night on the roof garden; that he had
striven only to get evidence against the
man so as 10 send him TO the peaiten-
tiary."
DR.. Wagner repeated Or. Evans state
ments as to bis visit of September 70.
when Thaw dismissed his attorneys and
physicians.
At this point the luncheon recess until >
T. IN. was ordered.
FUNERAL OF F. J. CARM0DY.