Evening journal., 1907-03-07

to see that she was praying.
did references TO the girl continue |
after that timer"
Did references to the girl continue
after that timer" asked Judge Delmas. I
Yes" said Mrs. rhaw. "after he had
told me once he often referred to it
and continually talked Of IT,"
did you know DR.. Bingaman at
that timer
Eyes"
do you remember that he called upon
your son at that timer"
"Yes, I remembered he called"
"Ded he tell Dr. Bingaman about this
girl?" -
He spoke about her so often I can't
clearly remember"
did his references to her decrease or
become more and more continuous"
Jerome objected that Mrs. Thaw
talked more and more about the girl
as the time went on.
Delmas threw more light upon the
program OF the defence than at anv
time since the trial opened in trying
to get in Mrs. Thaws statement as
to how she learned the identity OF
Evelyn as the victim of Stanford
White.
Delmas virtually asked the court TO
declare there was a legal presumption
that Thaw was insane from June 1903,
until August 1906.
The defence's experts while declaring
Thaw was insane at periods during the
years were careful to state he mifht
have lucid intervals. Delmas body
put the issue that the court should
declare Thaw was legally insane during
the entire period between the time he
had heard Evelyn's story In Paris and
his examination by the ailenists i'm the
Tombs last August.
This would make it incumbent upon
the defense to prove that Thaw has re-
covered since August last if he is to
escape the mad house.
|. Jerome fought hard over the point con-
tending that If tho court was to -gaily
declare Thaw insane during this long pei
iod It must logically go further and hold
him sull insane, since there is not a
word Of testimony tending to show Thaw' 5
present sanity.
The fight began when Delmas tried 90
get i'm conversations when Mrs. Thaw
learned Evelyns identity as the woman
whose wrong "had ruined Harrys life
Justice Fitzgerald ruled and later ad-
mitted as evidence the conversation be-
tween Thaw and his mother IN which she
/ learned tho name Of Evelyn Nesbt In
1904 before Thaw had sailed for Europe
/ Harry returned to Pittsburg, she sald
I in November, 1904
| Q. Did he speak to you again about the
young girl? A. There had been a horrible
/ scandal, or, at least. they made it out a
/ scandal I remember my expressing my
dlsapproval Of mis- coming home in the
same ship with the girl. He explained s,
/ ali to me. He was stll OF a mind to marry
her
( .. You have said nothing before about
1 his wanting to marry her A. must have
| forgotten IL. He told me in November.
1903 that he wanted TO marry her, but
that he had been frustrated.
Mrs Thaw said that in February. .9l5
she and Harry took a trip down South
'He then asked me to come on to New
York and meet the young woman" con-
tinued Mrs. Thaw. "1n March I did So"
i O. Was the marriage then under discus.
sion finally arranged with your approba
give my consent, hut I did.
Mr.. Jerome insisted that Mrs. Thaw give
u the entire conversation with her son al
far as she recalled it,
'After meeting the young woman" sh,
resumed. I'VE returned to the hotel ant
! Harry asked me Il had any objection
10 his marrying her I told him It was moi
\ necessary for me to give my consent. IT,
said he did not want TO do anything
against my wishes.
'I then said ] was perfectly willing.
did afterward make one condimon-no
! to prevent tho marriage-but 1 told HIarr,
! if he married tho girl and came to ms
house to live her past life must be a
closed book-that it must never be re-
ferred to-I mean her past life In New
u York"
I'VE arranged that the young woman
J should come to Pittsburg and we arrarg.
ed for chaperonage When Harry cam,
home for the wedding he seemed 10 bs
laboring under great stress. and feared
that the wedding would be interforod will
by tho young woman's mother on account
Of the girls minority"
Q. But he obtained the mothers consent
didn't he? A. Yes
Jerome Asks Few Questions
The usual fifteen minutes recess wa.
taken, after which Mr.. Delmas announced
that the examination OF Mrs. Thaw wa.
/ concluded. Mr.. Jerome at once began hi.
i cross-examination. He asked Mrs. Thav
If she was not for a time after her hus.