The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1907-01-10

AdtCS were iutHtlCdl On DOln nQeS.
The published rates were the same =
he replied
In answer TO questions by Commission
er Knapp the witness said that the only
difference to the Illinois Central made by
the combination of the two roads was
that of the freight that the Illinois Cen
tral was compelled to ship via Omaha,
which would have otherwise been taken
via New Orleans, baking loss to it OF
a 4oo-mile haul, and q corresponding loss
in revenue
Stubbs on the Stand.
The next witness was j. C. Stubbs. traf-
fic director of the Union and Southern
Pacific systems. Answering many ques-
tons. Mr.. Stubs said that the rates from
Pittsburg to the Atlantic, thence via the
Morgan Steamship lines and Southern Pa
cific to California are the same as those
via the all-rail route. but he believed very
little freight. from Pittsburg Buffalo OF
Wheeling ever went that way. Asked
whether his Chicago office could moi
Ogden, witness said that the line on
which the traffic originated dictated the
route. Mr.. Stubs said there was strong
competition in Chicago for Pacific coast
business. He was asked if Mr., Nehr-
meyer, the Chicago agent was a COM
petitor for this business.
rs he competitor as between the
II
AS much as ever he was"
That means he was never COM
petitorY'
''Mr. Nehnieyer has alw.vs been in
structed to ship from this territory ia
OgdeE. If he worked for any other read
he violated mis- Instructions
Answers Not Satisfactory.
Mr.. kellogg asked many questions. re-
sarding the competition of the Union Pa
cific and Southern Pacific, designed 10
show that the roads We're prior to 1861
but are not now competitors. Mr.. Stubs
answers We're not always satisfactory to
the attorney.
Il understand" said Mr. Stubs, what
your idea is, but i am giving YOU the
facts as / know them
81 understood perfectly. Mr.. Stubhs. .
said MIR Kellogg, lust exactly what you
are giving me"
Mr.. stubbs declared that the attorney
overlooked entirely the fact that the
Union Pacific is a connection of the
Southern Pacific.
II don't overlook it at all, broke in Mr..
kellogg.
And continued Mr. Stubs, ignoring
the interruption. they are not compet-
itOrs for California business
And never were?'
mot according to my theory"
Both Roads in Pool.
How was it then when both roads
were members of the pool on Pacific
coast business. the Southern Pacific took
q per cent and the Union Pacific 30 pei
cent of the business p
There were other lines in that pool
you must remember"
Mr.. Stubs was asked If earlier in his
connection with the Southern Pacific the
Union Pacific made higher rates to Cali
fornia from points west of New Yorb
than from New York itself because the
Southern Pacific was compelled to as
sumo the eastbound haul TO New York in
order TO connect with steamship lines
THAT was done" said Mr. Stubs
I'VE had to be consistent
He was asked if at that time the South
ern Pacific was not opposed i'm the max.
ing of these rates by the Union Pacific
"Oh. / don't think SO. he replied.
Were they not competitors for Pa
cific coast business at that timer
They were. that is. the Southern Pa
cific proper was a competitor of the line
formed by the Union Pacific and the
Southern Pacific west from Ogden -
Mr.. Stubs. in answer to quesCioHs
said prior to 1901 the Union and Southern
Pacific had separate solicitors in variou,
cities seeking the same Pacific coast bus
mess.
Would Not Cut Rates.
Mr. Kellogg asked Mr.. Stubbs if il,
would permit the cutting of rates By In,
ness from the Union Pacific or vice
versa.
NO. he replied.
Did you cut rates on the Southern Pa
cific in order TO take business from tn,
Union Pacific prior to the consolida
TOM
Il think not"
You never did that 30
No
Never cut any rates2'
1--WE never originated any cut rates.
Are not trans-continental rates abod
10 per cent higher than before the con
soldation2"
"All the lines tried to advance rate.