Los Angeles herald., 1907-03-17
Men of Prominence
Debate State
Division
Milton K. Young Makes
Strong Speech on
Subject
Lee c. Gates Favors Secession, but
Frank G. TyrrelI and C. D. Willard
Believe Amendment to Con-
stitution Is Necessary

State division was the subject dis
cussed at the weekly luncheon of the
City club of Los Angeles at the Hollen-
beck cafe yesterday.
A STRAW vote" on the question was
not taken, but the sentiment among
the more than fifty members present
seemed to be overwhelmingly in favor
of creating the state of Southern Cali
fornia
Milton X. Young took the affirmative
and he quoted history to show that the
trainers of the constitution never con-
templated rendering impossible the di-
vision of states when such division was
approved by the legislatures of the
states involved and afterward by coll
gress.
He also argued for state division
from the many points which have
arisen during the discussion of the
subject during the past few weeks.
Takes Opposite View
Frank G. Tyrrell took the opposition
His views on the constitutional point
differed with the arguments made by
Mr.. Young, and in regular order he
combatted all of the arguments made
by the first speaker. Mr.. Tyrrell said
that the only hope of Southern Cali
fornia in accomplishing state division
providing it is found it will not be
necessary to amend the federal consLi-
tuition, is to first annex Lower Califor-
MIA and then form a state comprising
that territory and that portion OF
Southern California contemplated in the
present movement.
Col Weinstock of Sacramento said
that he had come to the luncheon with
out a conviction on the subject, but
that he now believed that he was op-
posed to division.
Lee G. Gates, who was called upon FOL
few remarks, soon demonstrated thai
he is an ardent supporter of state di-
vision on every ground that has beer
advanced and he was roundly cheerec
when he declared that the sentimen
which is causing the people of Southern
California to advocate state division
is the same that prompted our fore
fathers to fight for Self-government.
c. d. Willard secretary of the NUM-
Cipal league, thought that it would h
necessary to amend the federal consti
tuition before division could be accom-
plished, but that the people of Califor
MIA would not favor division until thu
south should have a majority of the
population. which will be before great
while, but that when that time came
the south. being the barking end of the
of the TAIL
In Favor of Division
In his speech in favor of breaking
away from the north, Mr. Young said:
when invited few days ago by Mr.
Lissner to address you upon the sub.
iect of state division I accepted the
to my heart. Since that time I have
been very busily engaged, as most Of
you know in a proceeding that has
wholly taken my time and on observing
the personnel of this gathering, all Of
you being experts on the science ot
government, l am sorry that did no
insist upon the suggestion made by me
that Mr.. Gates should deliver this ad-
dress.
This subject may be discussed ir
two divisions; first, the legal procedure
necessary for the creation of a new
state, and secondly, the necessity. Were
it not for the fact that the right tt
organize new state within the ter
ritory now under the Jurisdiction of the
state of California has been questioned
by Hon. Frank H. Short of Fresno, q
discussion Of the first question would
assume the right and point out the
means. Section of article of the
Constitution of the United States pro-
Vides as follows:
"'New states may be admitted by the
congress into this union; but no new
states shall be formed or erected within
the jurisdiction of any other state; MOI
any state be formed by the junction OF
two or more states, or parts of states
without the consent of the legislatures
of the states concerned, as well as OF
the congress-
Quotes Precedents
"I submit that a fair construction OF
the section shows that the only re-
uuirement is for the consent of the
Legislature of the state affected, con-
cured in by that of congress. The
discussions of members of the consti-
tutional convention upon this very pro-
vision and the several amendments
submitted and finally adopted in the
concise form embodied in that section
clearly show that the trainers of the
constitution fully anticipated the neces-
sites which might arise in future fol
the creation of new states within the
borders of other states and amply pro-
Vlded therefor in that section. The
right to form a new state within the
boundaries of an existing state has
been settled and determined by con-
Maine on the 18th day Of March, 1920
At the time of the Revolutionary War
Maine was one of several provinces
combined into the state of Massa-
chusetts. At that early date the action
of congress indicated the construction
IL put upon the provision and indeed, ]
dare say no one thought to question
the legality of the act
Several other instances have oc-
Cured wherein new states have been
admitted. Tennessee was at one time
within the boundaries of North Caro-
lima and the title of much land in Ten
nessee is now held under grants from
the old state of North Carolina. Mis-
issippi was carved out Of the state OF
Georgia by the consent of that state
organized into a territory by congress
i'm 1898 and thereafter admitted into
the union. The territory comprising
Alabama was separated from Missis-
sippi and organized under a territorial
form of government of its own in 1917