The San Francisco call., 1907-06-16

over Nineteenth aevnue was concerned
They then sent the description to him
of the route they wanted to run over
and he prepared the papers.
Odd Mr.. Ruef insinuate that he
was going to give somebody else some
thing of that money? A--No; he said
THAT is my fee."
Q.-But he did say he would see the
mayor before he would fix the fee? A
No, sir. He said he would see the
mayor first before he would accept the
employment.
Q.-The supervisors In the meantime
before they saw Ruef. according to
Green's report to you. would put 1t of
and do nothing? A--What do you
mean?
Q.-Before Ruef was employed? A.
AS far as I know, the thing never came
to head there; never even applied for
don't know the thing was ever applied
for.
Q.-Don't you know whether petition
was ever filed? A.-No, sir.
Q.-Who was the regular attorney
before you employed Ruef? A.-Well,
think, Morrison & Cope.
Cor course, 1t was applied for, be-
cause Green kept meeting you, telling
you the mayor had promised to get IT
through, and they couldn't get II
through; that meant the board of su-
pervisors; it was there and being post
poned: couldn't get action on it; it was
necessary to get Ruef to fix the board
A.-WelI, they said that Ruef blocked
1t all the time.
Q.-Where-in the board, of course?
Al don't know.
Didn't you understand that2 A.
He said that Ruef would not permit the
thing to go through.
Q.-You understood what he meant,
didn't you? Al supposed he would
exert hfs influence so as not
Q.-Infiuence with whom? A.-With
the board of supervisors, possibly
Q.-You knew perfectly well it was
before the board Of supervisors and
couldn't get vote on 1T, didn't your
Al didn't know anything about 1t at
the time, only knew they would not be
able TO get It
Q.-when did you get the promise
Of the stock, before or after Green
spoke about getting Ruef? Al was
in the thing in the beginning.
Q.-Didn't you have sufficient know
ledge to know what ought to be done
to get a franchise to know 1t had to
be voted by the board of supervisors?
Al don't deny that at all.
Q.-You knew it was in the board
and the board hadn't voted on 1t? A.
No.
Q.-when Mr.. Green spoke about be-
ing held up. you knew he meant by
Ruef7 Al didn't pay any attention
to It; did not know.
Q-Not from Mr.. Green? A-No.
Q.-Didn't understand from him
when he said Ruef was holding 1t up?
A.-Merely knew he was blocking 1t.
didn't pay any further attention to 1t.
didn't know whether they had ap-
piled for the franchise or not, In fact,
I am sure they did not.
Q.-Didn't ask how he was blocking
it? Add not.
Q.-And you really didn't under
stand, Mr.. Green, that he was blocking
1t? A-No, didn't know whether 1t
was by his holding the matter down
or what and preventing the mayor from
doing it.
Q.-You didn't know the mayor had
nothing to do with a franchise until
passed by the board of supervisors and
then all he had to do was to sign? You
didn't know enough about the city
government to understand that? A.
I understand that.
:. Q.-Holding the mayor down -?
A--Having the mayor not take any ac-
tive interest In it and bring 1t before
the board of supervisors.
Q.-You knew perfectly well that any
one supervisor can introduce the thing,
the board could carry 1t and force the
mayor and pass It over the mayor s
head after he vetoed 1t, didn't you?
Ayes, sir.
Q.-Then you mean to tell me you
didn't understand when Green told you
that Ruef was blocking 1t, he was
blocking 1t In the board? Ale said
Q.-I know what he said. I want to
know what you understood. A-Ididn't
give It any further thought.
Q.-You gave it considerable action.
If not thought, and took action thereon
without thinking, did you? A.-No.
Q.-When you went to Ruef, you
didn't understand IL was In the board
of supervisors and what you wanted
of Ruef was that he would take his
hands off or leave them on and get the
thing through? Al knew that with
Ruefs influence the thing would
go through. e
Q.-Had you heard any talk or read
anything in the newspapers in the way
of charges at that time that Ruef was
getting money for procuring fran
chises through the board? Ayes
sir.
o.-And Ruef paying money to the
supervisors? Al read II.
Q.-When you gave this money OF
agreed to give 1t to Ruef. didn't you
believe he would probably use some OF
1t In that way? Al did not.
Q-You didn't think he was giving
them anything? A.-No.
Odd you ever see them sbefore
that? A.-No.
Q.-Never was down to meeting Of
the board of supervisors? A.-Never
Q-Why didn't you believe the
stories that Ruef was giving the
money? Al didn't believe 1t.
Q-You did believe 1t, then? Al
didn't know positively.
OIL know 1t; am talking about
belief? At may have been possible