New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1907-02-19

Al thought the department needed reorganiza-
ntee Vol was rot rsoTganzns TO get Tn d on MN I'M
$50 your way OF getting rid OF Mr. Hunter was
EFFORT MADE IN DECEMBER.
Mr.. Kelsey had been so busy he said that
not until December did he make any effort 70
find successor for Hunter.
Q-Did 1t occur to you that # might be danger,
1esp Win fhaf TIE ges shown BY the AmatPong
recognized the situation. I recognized the defec-
c cum lance was getting faithful service
Q-Now, when you became superintendent who
Q.-Wss he continued by you as chief examiner?
DID You read Mt vanderpoel's testimony be-
fore the insurance committee? Al think ! DID
personal charge OF the examination OF the Mutual
distinctly but I remember he had charge OF the
Q~The last examination that is mentioned prior
10 the meeting Of the Armstrong COMMITTEES? A
Odd YOU read his report OF tho results OF that
examination? Al did. as It is embodied In the
Odd YOU read that after you became superin-
tendent. A.-Yes
The Governor then read from the vanderpoe
report the Mutual Life In 1903 many fiat
terng references TO the company's condition as
his examination had found It.
Q-And you We're acquainted from the matters
actual condition Of things in the Mutual Life and
the actual state Of its bookkeeping? A-As de-
QESNo~, after that did you regard Mr.. Wander
~ itfe insS,raTme cnnDanies5 Wei ask ed
him about that report and his statement OF the
was a strong contest between our state companies
and outside coInp2nies and II was regaTded aH Il
sion as TO the details OF their business. A great
Did you regard that as an important rea-
son? ATWeil, not entirely and get. ..,,
see how il Influenced him. lie said something to
AIr. Hunter os 10 the work ana his having had
thirty years experience with the department in
beod had i proved that he was dangerous? Ri fet
care. but did not feel that ought TO dismiss a
man who knew how to do the work. and take the
chance OF new man that would have to be
Q.-You knew that thousands Of vouchers have
to be examined? A-Yes
as superintendent, TO check that work Al could
Q.EYou knew 1t was impossible for a competent
and straightforward examiner TO make report
made thorough examination of the books of the
Mutual Life, did not you? Al think It lax;
Q-one q the questions want to get at from
tod i,et ,,Iat Iba .t,t'etjo Sou III ACT
think ] did, but l fet with, him. as said felt
We were getting behind in the otlce and that until
TO proceed with him.
GOVERNOR RECALLS PAYMENTS.
Since Vanderpoers position was in the COM
petitive class the Governor said that Kelsey
should have asked the Civil Service Commission
for list Of eligible men. This had been under
consideration, but Mr.. Kelsey asked for the ex-
animation only few weeks ago. The Governor
recalled the payments made to President Nc
! Curdy's son-in-law and son by the Mutual and
the Andrew c. Field affairs there and asked II,
in view of these, Mr. Kelsey did not consider
Vanderpoers examination a farce Mr. Kelsey
said that Mr. Vanderpoel had told him he didn't
Intentionally violate the law, and. he Thought
that this was said in all sincerity Then tha
Governor took up conditions In the New York
Life. until Mr.. Kelsey said that Vanderpoel
either was deceived or inefficient" Some of the
things brought out by the Armstrong commit
tee We're not on the insurance books, he had told
Mr.. Kelsey. Yet, since that time Kelsey went
on. Vanderpoel had been conducting investiga-
lions for the department until his resignation,
with the same authority as before
Didn't you feel when YOU bacar,a s,,narir
endent and became advised Of these facts that II
your duty to dismiss Mr. Vanderpoel? Al
said, when l got familiar with the work and OS we
got ria OF the load OF extra work and had some
Odd you think that you could rely upon him
mttee and the evidence stated the basis for It
situation that I spoke of in regard to the other
matter. ''
QThsn YOU thought that he should be dis
( missed was not because you thought Won could 80,
sufficiently rely upon him? A,-No. ~
Recently Mr.. Kelsey said he had asked the
| Civil Service Commission to hold an examina-
ton for a man TO take Vanderpoers place; had
! spoken to some members Of the commission
about 1t, and he himself had made inquiries
/ about a In Massachusetts, and another In
/ Illinois Then the Governor asked If Mr. Kelsey
! recalled a conversation with himself and Senator
Armstrong at the Bar Association last summer.