New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1907-02-19
Mr. Kelsey said he did. but that he didn't re-

o-Do you recall Senator Armstrong saving any
CHANGES in the department? Al remember Arm Arm
strong doing it. but had forgotten II was at ''l
Do you recall any other time When %b odt It T55
having Senator Armstrong talk to me IN reIa' 'oi
TO omWbe en- was that? Al wouldn't know have
seen him many times during the summer anu
Q.-What was it that was said to you? Ale
said he thought that Mr. Hunter and Mr. EaIq ifd
hIm-Sen Hendricks-and that sreat Qe e. 81
trouble had resulted to the department 80 ith
their services just soon as he couid-soneth'"e
Q~Didn't he tell You that there should be
change in respect TO those men IN the aSp
when / was present at the Bar AsS9cla tloa A., iaSI
wouldn't say he didnt; in fact, your recollection Is
0,mpon'f YOU remember supported very en-,
phatlcaIIy what Senator Armstrong said? y. -
dom doubt that you would but don't recai' 'n''
You had no doubt did YOU az that time , that
services? Al thought there was suflcient' yes
Taking up another line. Governor Hughes
brought out that Kelsey had not examined his
list of employees and knew nothing about Gun
ningham. the examiner summoned before the
Armstrong committee because of his connec-
lions, who Is now at the New York office OF the
department.
Q.-Does it surprise YOU to be told that one VINO
had originally been put into the department on me
recommendation of Andrew c. Fields ana wL0
during his continuance in the department
visited the supply department OIL tie iN~,t,,
still employed in the Insurance Depar a, T.
A-Why 1 probably would If 1 had heard II ~
that shape Ii would depend little on VINO II
would be- Of g.. .,o
work that Andrew c. Fields was engaged in. A.
Well. based newspaper report ana on the rt{ j
OF the committee l should have, that 49, te i'e's
Q-You would consider It Of considerable impcT-
lance that there should be no avenue OF conmuiln-
cation between the department ana M los bae5
should you not? A.-Hes. There never mas Oee''
that know Of
ADMITS STUDY HAD NOT BEEN GREAT
As the Governor went deeper and deeper into
conditions brought before the Armstrong COM
mittee, Mr.. Kelseys confusion became more
noticeable. He had not read much Of the Arm
strong report bearing some OF the more in
trlcate financial transactions TO the loans and
profits or losses from security deals and his
study of those subjects in the department had
not been great. he declared
L haven't gone back in any of the former
administrations said he
Dwell how could you ascertain whether your
department is brought up to the proper grade OF
efficiency II made effort localize RESPONSE
have the daily experience Of the business that
we are transactinE. and II I upon information
that looks like derection in the past 1 should eX-
pect TO follow il up
Q-You We're aware that was precisely the at
titude Of the former superintendent, who hadn't
the advantage OF legislative investigation 10 SHOW
poet TO have any man that is inefficient or un-
trustworthy but } haven't had the time. Governor.
to 20 back and look into all Nle details that were
brought out on this investisatsn.
Q-Have YOU conducted any investigation In the
ybSI tm men ion the purpose OF asceLt%nns Just
particuiarly have ba5 tbo ,Is IN iT,ir ~
the different rooms the different bureaus the men
who are employed, the work they were doing IN
,Q-Didn't you realize when you took Office that
me failure OF the insurance department by proper
that were shown 10 exist had amounted TO a pub
.Q-Didn,t you realize that It was one OF your
h1st duties to put that department upon proper
that, Al believe It is. ana TO give full publicity
TO all that the statute requires
,Q--You understood that II was essential that you
should as hey say. clean house, IN the depart
men that were necessary for the conduct OF the
"a ges1rgsS IN a Dunsa o.! any thlns OF that kind
should expect 10 dispense with them.
HAD BEEN ONE OR TWO RESERVATIONS
Again the Governor took up the subject OF the
personnel Of the Insurance Department and Mr.
Kelsey admitted that there had been one or two
designations. not his initiative. some new
men put and a few promotions Then he
told OF the many difficulties OF his position. and
the volume OF work that had confronted him
since he took once. The Governor said he
realized all this. and wanted 10 know n there
was anything else that Mr.. Kelsey could say
about the situation. You had a free hand
ha said
Well. I hemmed IN by the environment
or circumstances" said Kelsey
After further Interrogation. bringing out the
facts that Keefer. who held two Jobs at once.
had been placed in charge OF the inspectors at
New York after Vanderpoel resigned the Gov
ernor came to the canvass OF votes after the
elections in the mutual companies. MI Kelsey
admitted that he had no mature plan for tho
canvass OF votes prior to the election. He had
appointed inspectors and given them authority.
Q.-Now. IN anticipation OF the election. did you
give your attention 10 the formulation OF any plan
by which the votes could be counted? A.-No, that
occurred at or aLout he time and since. was
going TO say at tho time we went down prior
the separate administration and opposition tickets
over quite fully There were various Co9iictIns
notions whether there ought TO be forty or hfty
91aIv rroyiIeS and nessneS To ttst an ,ra ,- - us TS
the authority To employ assistants would be sufh-
don't know Just how il came out, but II was
eventually suggested that two OF the best known
OF the houses Of accountants be asked consult
appointed. and be employed py them to perfect .
scheme that would be efficient, and that course
and this same representative of each one OF the
Q|When dia You have this meeting? At was
a day or two before the election or else the day
Friday or Saturday preceding W. ''0
Q.-What day was the election? A.-The election
Q.-That was the 18th Of December? A-Yes
any meeting for the Formulation OF 9'o pIan nSvc
You mean OF tho inspectors?
"a canvass OF the votes? A.-rhe inspectors
were not appointed until that time
Q-When did you appoint tho inspectors? Al
Q.-Didnt you think it a matter Of a good deal
or drs T9 6en IN H n Of the possibility Of
matured of taking care of It in advance? Al
Q.-Why didn't you appoint your inspectors ear
Her A.-WeI. haven't any reason beyond that