Abilene weekly reflector. [volume] (Abilene, Kan.) 1888-1935, 1907-01-10
HEARING RESUMED
Cattle Rates and Terminal Charges
Taken up by Interstate Com
merce Commission.
WAS A SURPRISE TO RIPLEY
President Of Santa Fe Not Aware
Union Pacific Owned Stock In
His Road-Why Rogers And
Frick are Directors.

Chicago, Jan. S.-The inquiry into
the management and trade arrange.
mehts Of the Hartman lines was not
taken up at the first session of the
Interstate commerce commission
Tuesday. Cattle rates and the term
inal charges at Chicago on shipments
Of stock occupied the opening session.
Chester M. Dawes of the Burling-
ton, road asserted that it was not pos
sible for him to furnish certain stat
istics regarding shipments which had
been requested by Attorney Cowan,
representing the Texas Cattle Grow
ers' association, Mr.. Cowan declared
that other roads had furnished these
figures and 1t should be possible for
the Burlington road to do the same
The mater was dropped after some
debate. 1t is expected that the in
QHiry into the management Of the
Hartman lines will be in connection
with the traffic arrangements and
that the financial side of the Ques-
ton will not be taken up.
Mr.. Dawes contended that the ad-
vance I'm cattle rates was justified by
excessive amounts Of damages paid
to cattle shippers.
Mr.. Cowan asked for the amount Of
damages paid by the Burlington. Mr..
Dawes said he did not know and that
the Burlington road had not kept its
books in such manner as to render
the figures available.
"You come here and justify ad-
vanced rates." said Commissioner
Prouty, "by canning damages and de-
cline to say what the damages are.
That is hardly fair. If you have not
kept your book as you should that
does not alter the. facts in this case"
Perhaps not" said Mr.. Dawes, "but
We have not SO kept our books"
The matter was finally settled by
the statement of Mr.. Dawes that the
damages on the Burlington line did
not exceed those on the Santa Fe road
and he would accept the authoritative
figures given by that line as being
representative Of conditions on the
Burlington.
The commission was occupied most
If the day with evidence relating to
rates on cattle from Texas points, and
t was not until late in the afternoon
hat the Hartman lines were brought
before the board.
Only one witness was examined,
President Ripley Of the Santa Fe
Mr.. Ripley's testimony did |
lot bring out any startling informa-
ion. He declared he did not know
until he had read 1t last week in the
Dapers that the Union Pacific was the
lolder Of nearly a10,JO0,00o Of San
4 Fe stock. He asserted that when
approached by representatives Of this
took for the right to name members
i the Santa Fe directory, he refused
o consider the proposition until II
vas distinctly understood that the
directors to be named were not Off
ers Of the Union Pacific or Of any
ther line competitive with the San
q Re. The directors named were
|. H. Rogers and Henry Eyiek. both
{ whom were directors OF the Union
'acific at the time Of their election
D the Santa Fe directorate. Presi.
ent Ripley testified that their con-
ection with the Union Pacific had
4 no way impaired their usefulness
D the eanta Re.
President Ripley was examined and
ross-examined At considerable Length
8 70 whether the Union Pacific and
he Southern Pacific were compet-
'rs Of each other and Of the Santa
.. The substance Of his testimony
! this respect was hat while com
sttOrs In some ting they were
Of 20 on an CLASSES o. traffic nor ,
On an parts q ths countTy