The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1907-03-31

/ No, sir, i did not replied the wit
] ness, who was then excused.
! John A BrunJes, another prison keep
/ er. was called. He declared he had never
/ seen anything peculiar about Thaw eX-
/ cept glare in his eyes. His eyes did
hot seen 10 glare so much after Septem-
| On cross examination by District At
/ Jorney jerome Brunjes declared that
Ihaw s glaring eyes sometimes had a
! haunted look IN them.
/ when did he stop having that haunt
| ed look asked Mr.. Jerome.
lie began TO get better after last Sep
That was after DR.. Evans had visited
MN nm several times%'
| Yes, sir
John ]. HanIey. another prison. keeper.
| was called. Hanley said. he had never
noticed anything pecUhar-in Ths~s-s con
duct duct and his coiIversations had been ra7
Book Record of Thaw.
Mr. jerome offered as evidence the
| prison book containing entries as to
/ food. etc
l. Mr. Hartridge asked permission to ex-
ahlhs the record one of the entries in
/ the book, which Mr. Jerome said was
mace by Brunles, and which he sought.
/ 70 nave introduced in evidence, was as
July 2S-He CThaw) offered me $l,OcO a
DAY to taste the food sent to him from
! the outside. saying IL might be poisoned,
ana that he thought it would be a good
twenty TO one shot
The book had not been received in evil
/ dence when the commission adjourned
At this stage of the inquiry Mr.. Hart
| ridge announced that the members of
I Ihaws counsel were ready to take the
stand if the commission desired to have
them
Delmas Testifies.
Thereupon Mr.. DeImas was asked by
| MT Hartridge to take the stand
After Mr.. Delmas had been sworn Mr..
Hartridge began 10 question him.
You are an attorney and counsellor
at-law, are you not?"
Thaw raised himself from his seat.
caught Mr. HartrIuge by the arm and
! whispered TO him that the commission
might desire to conduct its own exami-
nation.
II beg your honors' pardon" said Mr..
down.
Chairman Mcclure gave permission TO
continue and Mr.. Delmas declared that
1 throughout the trial ThaW had shown
an excellent conception Of the law. He
had been keenly alive to his rights and
had passed him many notes
He has always consulted with one OF
more or mis- counsel as TO every important
phase of the case, has he not?" asked
Mr.. Hartrdge
To the best Of my knowledge and be
lief he has, said Mr.. Delmas
And his suggestions as to tie conduct
not?'' nav ''is'
His advice has not ALWAYS been good g"
said Mr. Delmas. and has not always
been followed. but his reasons for the ad-
wee were excellent from layman's point
of view
Mr.. Jerome declined to cross-examine
Mr. Delmas
Made Good Suggestions.
Mr., Hartridge himself then took the
stand. He dill so voluntarily. the COM
mission saving it would not require any
of the attorneys to give evidence.
AIT HartFidse said Thaw had taken a
felNsIF interest N the trial Proceedings
gestions from time to time
Mr.. Jerome decided to crOss-examine Mr.
Hartridge and asked:
Did not this defendant repeatedly dur
ing his trial ask permission and express
the desire to his counsel to address the
court either orally or in writing?'
cannot cannot say repeatedly" replied Mr..
Did he ever express the desire to ad-
dress the court?'
u cannot say that he did -
Were you so informed by associate
Attorney Gleason objected to. this ard
was sustained.
District Attorney Jerome dropped into
the chair, saying; Il can do no more
Attitude of Commission.
After Mr.. Hartridge had testified.
the remaining counsel need testify
I would like to be advised as to what
sort of evidence this commission desires
from me-" interrupted Mr. Jerome. Il
must confess / am all at sea. | have ex-
perts here who are costing me $500 day
every day they are under subpoena. They
are ready to testify before YOU
We are here. Mr.. jerome" said Chair
man Mcclure, mot to decide the past or
future condition of the defendant but
must cOnfine our services TO his present
A. 10 he fnslr Of of r.
rests upon you, as you made the sugges-
ton on record that the defendant was in
capable of understanding the proceedings
against him or Of advising with counsel"
will your hQnQrs advise me" asked
Mr. oJerome, whether or not you will re-
ceiEe any expert testimony
We will hear expert testimony" re-
piled Chairman Mcclure, provided it is
not too remote
II have in my possession resumed Mr.
Jerome. "a group of facts on which seven
scientific men will swear that this de
PENDANT is not now capable of under
standing the nature of the proceedings
against him or of nationally advising with
his counsel.
Your honors will observe that no aft
davits as to ThaN $ present sanity were
filed in this case by Drs- White. Pilgrim
and 7GfeGery,' ...---.
Will Hear Experts.
Chairman Mcclure again interrupted
Mr.. jerome by saying the commission
would be glad to hear any expert who
could testify as to Thaws present sanity
or insanity.
But they can't testify as to facts" said
Mr.. Jerome. But / can give them facts
on which they can base an opinion You
gentlemen will not illuminate your own
intelligence by reading the papers on
which | based my suggestion as to Thaw's
present condition. If you would do that
! could prove
Those affidavits YOU filed" said Mr.
Mcclure. were solely to inform the court
and its conscience. and were not intended
to establish actual facts
But you will not even look at the let
tiers of this defendant which were sent
here from Pittsburg and which are in the
possession of the clerk of the court, said
Jerome.
You Know that those letters are not in
evidence. said Commissioner Olney.
Il know that they are" said Mr.. Je-
rome land whether they are relevant or
not the law provides that they can be
used for comparison with other writings
by the defendant
I'VE have not taken that view or the
natter said Chairman Mcclure
Mr.. Mcclure asked Mr.. jerome upon
what facts his experts could offer an
opinion as to Thaw's present condition.
Mr.. Jerome replied that they would base
their opinion partly upon the writings of
the defendant. partly upon their observa-