New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1907-04-05
End UTILITIES HEARING
WINS HAS LAST WORD.
T.. B. Whitney and j. III. Cohen Also
FaUOr Measure.
rBy Telegraph to The Tribune.l


aThs,v. April s-AdvOcates OF the Governors
v-,bT,c Tytnites bin had their innings to-day.
F7eaded by william NJ WINS, who urged the Senate
judiciary and Assembly Railroad committees 70
mass the bin practically as Il stands they declared
stot 10 incorporate the amendments suggested by
~. railroads. and the lighting companies would be
,,irfuaIly 10 kin the bill
.sThey might have spared their time and done
.h.ir work in q far more effective manner" de-
eIsred Mr. WINS IL they had said. we are abso-
i-selv in 6avor your bill; ask only one amend
-,snt-strfI1e out the enacting clause"
representatives OF many important civic Organi-
zarions in New York City told the committees that
the bin IN its present form. or perhaps with one
or two amendments which would not change its
fpiTit in the least. was precisely what was needed
to-day Especially did they defend the bill with
reference to its provisions for court review. Ed
ward B. Whitney, representing the Transit Reform
Committee OF one Hundred. declared that no cor
poratiOn could be prevented from presenting any
order OF the commission for review properly as the
iii was introduced, but f the review provision
advocated by the railroads enacted the courts
would be compesled TO pass questions not Judi
cal and they would be saddlsd with executive or
administrative work.
SHARP POLITICAL APPLICATIONS
At times the hearing took turns with sharp po-
ndcal applications. Mr.. Twins answering
question from Senator Smith about the section pro-
hibt!ng the holding OF more than 10 per cent Of
railroad eompRny's stock by another railroad. He
told OF the New Jersey "craEs for making these
rreatures-corporations superior 20 the state" and
then declared that until 1882 the law IN this state
would not permit railroad companies to make
themselves holding companies for other railroads.
did the Legislature change that law knowing
ly7" be asked. 'NOt a BIT OF It: the Legislature
changed that law because it was TO the interest
and policy OF Chaunoey NJ Depew that the law be
changed. In other words. laws we're not only made
but they given 20 the railroad companies"
AQ1oin n han A.
elaTed that publicity a few years ago would have
prevented "the remarkable and 6eplorable Spec
taele Of the controversy between the President OF
the United States and the president OF a railroad
company to the contribution Of 100000 TO the
Presidential campaign fund
IN al probability there will be no further
hearings on the measure. The committees Will take
under consideration the various amendments sug-
gesed and get TO work at the bill. Its friends hope
that 1t may be In shape TO report from committee
In q week or ten days. After that the fight viii be
IN the open, and indications given the previous
hearings show that the real fight win be on the
question OF the extended court review. Against
this. as advocated by the railroads and gas COM
panies the Governors friends will fight 20 the
death; and the Governor himself IN his speech at
Utica. said that he unalterably opposed TO
giving the opportunity for prolonged delay by
authorizing the courts 70 take up review OF the
facts
Mr.. WINS HAS FINAL WORD.
The nnal word in favor Of the bin was reserved
Cor Mr.. WINS to-day He delivered & in telling
shape.
I'VE are here not under retainer" said he Eve
are here not as participants IN the profits OF a
system which Is now sought 10 be controlled, and
therefore is obJecting 20 the control; Rnd"-his
words took on sarcastic ring-"we are here
speaking according 20 the dictates OF our con-
SCIENCE our beliefs and princIples.'
Again sarcasm tinged his tones as he spoke Of
NE. Choate's reference 70 the members Of the pro-
posed commission as ''archangels.'' indicating
thereby his own BELIEF" commented Mr.. Wins,
THAT there a corner in the market arch
angels and that they all to be found IN the
boards directors OF the railroad companies. the
insurance companies and the gas companies and
On reality there were not enough left 70 support
two more commissions OF 1--WE members each"
Some few remnants OF archangelism remained
Cor the Appellate Division. he conceded. He had
also delicate gibe for the New York City traction
companies.
They came here and told you they were so anx-
ious this bill that they desired take 1t in their
arms" he said. But they nevertheless concurred
IN the amendments Of the railroad companies, the
effect OF which would have been that the bill
in lheiT they would have squeezed it to
death"
Referring 10 Secretary Roots declaration that
Che states had neglected their duty. and forced
The federal government 70 take up the regulation
OF conditions Nj Wins declared the public
conditions, ana purpOsed TO have them bettered.
Re pointed out THAI the passengers carried the
street railways OF New York in q year numbered
90 per cent more than those all the railroads
n the country He continued:
Primarily this is question Of police TeggIation
q moving ms tremendous poPulation. because We
l0Eer end of this state an average OF four million
people every day for three hundred days in the
Of II that requires your attention, II is the policing
Of me financial problem which accompanies the
You have sought 10 meet the demand for reform
and IN that YOU have covered as in seems to me
generally speaIing-most admirably covered and
y The problem of-in the solution OF the physical
klooems should say; and second, in the solu-
toh OF the financial problem. have been very
months probsblv Tor as long time - not l IIsng
than the craftsmen of the bin When the bin Vas
49, printed was or the opinion that il was de-
unable that the Governor should nave the appoint
meni Of the commission subject to the approval
~ ne e senate and was az that time OF the opin
nfFestrained power OF removal.
want 70 be perfectly frank with regard to the
ettef, and on very mature consideration believe
t the interests Of the community and OF the state
q all WIN be better served II the Senate is called
uDon y taose removals be had only upon tho
for ana his sf bsef fai fT1 canno.
Sepoe s NAY ANY ,sef-Tespeetng man Of large ex
a2.eeL himself and hts career the vcissitudes OF
he, ONCE with the possibility Of Being tuT ~ s olt
cs Ssg neck and heels, within two years by an IN
~ ',lls Governor whom he may rot please because
$3.50 - poliucal complexion, or whon he may not
iSs because OF any other possible personal con-
90 not believe therefore that these newcomers
49,, DS removed 50 eummar1y and ARBITRARILY
.--lA tneir tenure OF office ought 20 be made
-S-es5ily as secure as that OF the office OF a Su-
t-S-Le Court Judge IN this state believe that IN
ma 20 secure the best ability they should lie
thst tbe9 u ta1 as Supreme Court Judge believe
is .en being protected in their Office for their
4, - Win adequate salary. I believe you will have
- -hsse oifoes under the appointment OF the Gov