Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1907-02-12
THAW IS INSANE
SAYS An EXPERT
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the time of an examination. he SAID that
yesterday a witness had not been allowed to
give such an opinion.
Reasoning in a Circle.
Mr.. Jerome said he did not object to any
such opinion.
Mr. Delmas then asserted that Mr.. Jerome
has reasoned in circle on this SUBJ
ject.'
Justice Fitzgerald said it was case OF
reasoning in circle" as explained by Mr..
Delmas, but he did not understand the facts
that way.
Mr.. Jerome again declared he would not
object to an opinion as to whether or not
Thaw was sane or insane subsequent to
the shooting, but he wished the questions to
be distinctly confined to given period.
During the time DR.. Evans was on the
stand Thaw scarcely looked at him. He
read several letters and took copious notes
of the testimony. During the argument
over the admissibility of the conversations
between himself and the alienists Thaw
took much interest in the proceedings.
When Mr.. Delmas' voice was raised In ar
gument he leaned forward, resting his chin
on his hands. his eyes fixed on the back of
his attorneys head
Jerome Again Sustained.
Were the conversations necessary to
enable an expert to form correct judg-
ment as to this defendants then mental
condition.
They We're not entirely necessary" re-
piled DR.. Evans, but were highly i'm
portant."
Now. wat was it Mr.. Thaw said?"
District Attorney Jerome objected on the
ground that the answer involved unsworn
statements of defendant not shown to
have been of unSound mind.
Il repeat" said MIR. jerome, that have
no objection to this expert stating whether
or not Harry Thaw was insane at the time
of these examinations. IL the doctors say
Thaw was insane. then the conversations
can come in
Justice Fitzgerald again sustained the dis
cection.
Il will now ask you, DOCTOR" continued
Mr.. Delmas ''if as result of your eight
examinations you formed an opinion as to
this mans mental state at the time of your
vsits?'
His mental condition varied on the va
rious visits" DR.. Evans began.
Answer yes or no as to whether you
formed an opinion" requested Mr.. Delmas
Yes
The Next Visit.
DIR. Evans then went on to the next visit.
which took place September q. DR.. Wag
ner also was present.
I'VE examined his general attitude. his
manner of entering the room. manner of
thought and general department He still
had the glaring eyes. was highly nervous
and still suspicious of every one. If while
conyersng with Dr. Wagner l should move
into a portion of the room where he could
not see me. he would at once change his
position so that he would get us botn in his
line of vision. Again he exhibited the ex-
aggerated ego. the air of seif-importance
and the disposition to direct me rather
than be directed by me-.
PHYSICAL Examination.
When did you next see him." asked Mr.
Delmas.
"On September q. when with DR.. Wagner
We went to the Tombs for the purpose of
making a physical examination. which was
done, MIR. Thaw being examined from head
to foot. We examined the body as to gen.
eral nutrition; we examined the heart and
the pulse; we searched for evidences
Of drug habits or serious disease;
tested the sensibiiity of the surface of the
body; we also tested the power of recollec-
ton and perception. examined the cranial
ordinary tests as to mental unsoundness."
DR.. Evans said the next visit was on
September %.
MANY of the previous tests were repeat
ed We asked various questions, and the
prisoner gave his own answers to them
and made diagram with matches"
Mr. Jerome objected to the diagram, but
was overruled by Justice Fitzgerald and
the witness was told to proceed.
Not Clear Explanation.
MIR. Thaw took matches and toothpicks
and placed them as to show positions
which may have been clear to him, but
were confusing to me. 1 did not think his
explanations were clear or logical.
What was his condition on that day?'
He was calm, less suspicious and more
confiding than on previous visits. While
he still showed some nervous agitation and
if to be sure there was nothing wrong, in a
general way he was more composed. His
manner was more deliberate, although he
still had a somewhat exaggerated opinion
of his own Importance"
Another Visit October l.
The next visit DR.. Evans described was on
October i, when he was again accompanied
by DR.. Wagner.
This time Mr.. Thaw was extremely cor
dial and talked to me like a brother or
friend He still. In modified manner. con-
tinued to dictate the course of the conversa-
ton. but not so much as he had done be-
fore He was still somewhat nervous. but
there were no such suspicious glances."
The eighth and last visit DR.. Evans said.
was on October 8.
I'VE had a protracted interview with Mr..
Thaw, in which a subject near to his heart
was discussed. 1t lasted two hours" said
DR.. Evans.
Under the rulings of the court. can you
say anything further regarding this visit?"
''Under the courts climinations, there is
nothing more can say"
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