Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1907-01-09
M. C. Markham Says U. P. and
S p. Were Competitors Prior
To Their Consolidation.
UP. NOT LINK BUT COAST LINE
Traffic Director j. G. Stubbs Says That
Traffic Originating Lines Die
tate Route.

traffic manager Of the Missouri Pacific,
was the first Witness called before the
interstate commerce commission when
the investigation of the Hartman lines
was resumed. Mr.. Markham was ques-
toned by &. a. Severance, of st. Paul,
acting for the commission.
The witness was asked IL the Union
Pacific and Southern Pacific were prior
to their consolidation competitors for
transcontinental business. He said
they were.
Before going to the Missouri Pacific,
Mr.. Markham was connected with the
Illinois Central and he said that both
roads were extensive competitors for
Pacific coast business originating along
the line of the Illinois Central
Was there any lessening of competi-
ton after the consolidation"
ut was generally understood that the
competition was less"
MIR. Markham declared that in his
opinion the Union Pacific was not
link in transcontinental transportation
as conteded yesterday by the attorneys
of Mr.. Hartman. but as long as the
Portland gateway Is Open It is q Pa
cific coast line in itself. The witness
said that before the consolidation the
Union and Southern Pacific lines Were
competitors for the California fruit
trade and for passenger business also.
Mr. Markham was cross-eNamined
| by Mr.. Milburn, who took exception
Ia the statement made by the witness
| that he considered the Union Pacific
an Independent Pacific line. He ask
| ed the witness If the Southern Pacific
acting as an INDEPENDENT line could
| not give to the Union Pacific large
| or small amount of eastbound traffic
| at Ogden.
| 81 don't know whether l could or
| not. There are influences at work
which would prevent it,
But the Southern Pacific, as an in
| dependent line, might do this?"
1T might, and destroy Itself"
| Mr. Milburn then asked II the Union
| Pacific via Portland to san Franz
| cisco was TO be compared TO 9 direct
| line west of Ogden
| The witness replied:
| THE rate settled those things and
| rates can be made as low via Portland
| to San Francisco as by, any other
| route"
| Mr.. Markham said that while act
| ing as assistant traffic manager of the
| Illinois Central II was understood that
traffic originating west OF a line drawn
| from Cairo TO the vicinity OF Cleveland
| was TO go west wa 'oSuefl, IaHlc
| originating east of that line was to
| go via New Orleans.
Mr.. Milburn brought out the state
| ment that I'm all Pacific coast traffic
| originating on the Illinois Central, that
| line and the Southern Pacific must be
| factors his object being to show that
| however the traffic went. the Southern
| Pacific was certain 10 be an element
| and could not be In all cases construed
| as a competitor of the Union Pacific.
Commissioner Lane asked the witness
| If he considered all trans-continental
| lines as competitors TO the extent that
! the Canadian Pacific is a competitor of
the Southern Pacific. The witness re-
| piled in the affirmative.
| Commissioner Clements asked when
the Union Pacific and Southern Pacific
were competing for Illinois general
| traffic, the rates were Identical by both
| lines.
THE published rates were the same"
| he replied.
IN answer TO questions by Commits
sioner Knapp the witness said that the
only difference to the Illinois Central
| made by the combination OF the two
roads was that of the freight that the
| Illinois Central was compelled TO ship
| via Omaha, which would have otherwise
| been taken by New Orleans, making
| q loss to Il OF a 400 mile haul and
|
j. c. sTuBBs.
| The next witness was j. c.. Stubs,
traffic director of the Union and South
| eln Pacific systems. Answering many
| questions, Mr.. Stuhbs said that the
rates from Pittsburg to the Atlantic.
| thence via the Morgan Steamship lines
| aud Southern Pacific to California, are
| the same as those via tho all-rail route
! but he believes very little freight from
! Pittsburg, Buffalo or Wheeling ever
| went that way. Asked whether his
Chicago office could not route freight
either via New Orleans or Ogden, Wit
| ness said that the line on which the
traffic originated dictated the route.
Mr.. Stubs said there was strong
| competition IN Chicago for Pacific coast
| business. He was asked II Mr. Neh-
meyer. the Chicago agent, was q COM
petitor for this business.
| HE Is"
! Union Pacific and Southern Pacific"
"As much as ever he was
That means he was never compct-
itor2'
strilcted TO ship from this territory via
| ogden. II he worked for any other
road he violated his Instructions
Mr.. Kellogg asked many questions
regarding the competition OF the Union
Pacific and Southern Pacific. designed
10 show that the ro1ds were prior 10
, 1901. but are not now competitors MT.
| Stubs answers were not always sat
isfactory 10 the attorney
Il understand" said Mr., Stubs.
"what your idea H. but ! am giving
YOU the facts as ! know them
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