New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1907-02-27

Mr. Niburn-Just moment, please. 1 do not
In nv position that that is obviously an
improper question.
After an argument Mr.. Hartman declined to
answer the question.
CONFERENCE WITH MR.. CASSATT.
Asked about a conversation with the late
President Cassatt of the Pennsylvania Mr.. Har-
rlman said:
happened so into Bar HaTbor in q yacht f and
an attack of whoopInE cough. and went up 10
make personal call; and the nrst kRoT5eGge ' r
member since yesterday-of the sale or any ialtlli,
more & Ohio stock by the Pennsylvania Railroad
was given to me then and that is why the dis
cussion came up. ard do not innk tlieig WI mid
biIy anv Of il or not. r don't think 1t was men
ton that tba Pannsvvania Railroad had sold some
OF holdings in Baltimore q ONO {" . huHl ~
Il Co. 1 had not at that time notion OF pu'-
I don't SUPPOSE was with Mr.. Cassatt more
To- me that he had sold some of their holdings IN
Baltimore & Ohio 10 Kuhn, Loeb & Co; and /
don't remember thai there was anything said at
that time about the possl0iIty OF uS sTorts I
Gcnt thirI there was That vas the first lnf0rIia-
ton 1 had about It,
COMMISSIONERS QUIZZ WITNESS.
After Mr.. Kellogg had finished with Mr. Har-
riman some Of the commissioners began 10 asa
questions, the conversation running as follows
Commissioner CIements-You think that authority
ought to veted with the power OF putting = I'M
tatiOn the charges OF railroads ~ F@lL'
lection TO that: bur the point made was. that on
railroad should not be regulated ~ the exclusion
u Commissioner CIemeuts-WeI. the, government
Ties Of other concerns are taken premium, a.
and and per cent aud-- A.--Not many u
Commissioner Clemeuts-And it is usury for
bank or other persons 20 take o5 Iiq IN iaisat don
Now is there no point Of fairness and good n9Ilis
ness and enters into legislation and other matters
IS there no point beyond which ths Ia,SS % bib be-
cause OF an excessive profit? ADO you think be
Burlington & quincy took its trafic Tor less cost
than the Union Pacific could, that the Tate on lIe
BuTltns{3G I5,oS P sum Shou'u DC
Commissioner CIemeuts-You have not quite an
swered my question and have asked me one, Al
know but am trying TO answer your question: oy
Commissioner Clements-Do you think there
should be any limit or ought not TO be any ln'lt-
Commissl6ner Clemeuts-Any railroad A.-Well.
don think you can SpeGlry OF one nm r Ill
depends The charges on one TalToat HlIS' -
lively DO the same on all other railroads doihs
Commissioner Clenents-The question you put 20
me. II It was dealer In other articles out here 90
price would have to take the lowest price made by
ts to- ,,IIi en into rEri1ptcy r,avbe
Commissioner CIcments-Do you think the govern
meut or the people should guarantee even raul all,
or bankruptcyE Al think It Mould 10, oe 10 , me
OF tho people. that that railroad should receive
fdlr return 10 cNAbi5 K 10 coAoott us "s.4'e7 80
Commissioner Clements-What was the use o,
this apparent dummy IN that transaction. Mr.
10 scc,rtIes and that he made an offer To- tine
Chicago x Alton Railway Company HOW dId PC
get III You he had no interest IN II. An
Comriissioner clements understood YOU 20 sly
so. Al don't know whether lie had or not. but
that q detail which suppose was necessary
10 conduct or carry out the arranGemeutS Walcu
had all been agreed upon by the parties In Interest.
and / presume they had TO have somebody thfre
whom they could cousummate the transaill'l
huN-
NAV have been matter or conveuc0ce-
commissioner Harlau-l understood you 10 say
that YOU thought IL would be wise thing y have
a permitting the consolidation or llliIp,tds.
A.-The combination OF lines; don't say cohsoA-
Observation-Disclosures fIlrI1u-The combination OF lines.
tho roads and possibly reflect Itself in the rates
that is giving lower rates 20 the people A.-l eS-
passed yUu thought II would also be wise 20
have This commission. some other power. 20
view and pass upon the terms OF such a. Ctf lhlnd-
ton A.-That - right, AS 70 whether they were
Commissioner uarian-Weli. understand You
locking forward 20 time when there Will be
clgO & Atom A.-Wcu. / think VI had been
able 10 maintain the same rate In 1905 1905 that
charged ~ 1858 that We would have been pay
Ing or 10 per cent or III per cent on the common
stool, OF the Chicago & Alton. We expected. by
putting this money into Chicago * Alton. to
give the territory tributary to ID opportunity 10
would pass over the Chicago Il Alton Railway. bUt
the benefit all absorbed in IN" reduction of the
rate.
Mr.. Hartman was stin IN tho witness chair
when the commission adjourned to 10 o'clock
this morning.
INFATUATION LEADS TO MURDER.