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with anybody besides Cope? Ale
did not.
Q.-You said you didn't know of your
own knowledge that Mr.. Crocker knew
anything about IT Did you know 1t by
somebody telling you SOP Al didn't
know that he knew about the payment
of money. never discussed Il with
Mr.. Crocker.
Q.-Never said anything TO him about
having employed Ruef? Aft he had
that information 1t must have come
through Green.
Q.-Did you say anything to the other
Mr.. Green, Charles E. Green, about it?
A--No.
Did you ever say anything to
Matson. A--No.
o.-Did you talk with Cope about
o.-Never had anything to say to
him? A--No.
Q.-Or with Morrison. A.-No.
Cor with keenan,. A--Never dis
cussed IT with keenan,.
Q.-With Wellington Gregg? A
No. they were directors Of the company,
Gregg. Matson, Green and OBrien;
don't know whether anybody else or
not; they should know, of course, of
anything of that kind.
Q.-That is. they would know about
expenditures OF money? Al presume
so. never attended meeting but
once.
o.-Never talked with Watson about
it2 A-No.
Q.-The meeting you attended that
question wasn't up? A.-No.
Q.-You had some talk with Mr..
Crocker about st? Al never dis
cussed it with Mr.. Crocker at all
Q.-All you paid was $4,000? A
Yes. sir.
Q.-Aithough $4,000 promised all to-
gether. did you get the other $4,000?
A.-No.
o.-Haven't thatT A-No.
Q.-You still have the $500? A
Yes, sir.
Off it goes through now. here
after. are you going to pay that $4,000
10 Ruef? Al am not. sir
Q.-How was thar money obtained,
that $4,000 by assessment or did it
come out OF the company's treasury?
Al assume out Of the company's S
treasury. no assessment: Mr.. Watson
would know.
Q.-This treasury fusd was kept IN
bank OF Crocker- -Woolworth or the
Citizens? Al think Citizens ma
fional or maybe the Crocker. don't
know.
o.-Now, then. did Douglass Wat
son-what did he say when he brought
IL over? A-Here's the money.
Ole assumed that you understood
what money? A-Yes. sir.
Q-Had you talked with him about
1t either? Al did not.
Q.-Never a word about the employ
ment of Ruef? A-No, but he and
Green-he was the secretary and Green
was the president-and he brought the
money over
Q.-And said. Here's the money or
here's that rnoney"2 A--Yes sir.
DID he bring the $4,000 first and
then $4,000 after? A.-No; only $4,000
drought it in greenbacks? A
Yes, sir.
o.-You must have told Green. that it
had to be In greenbacks? A--Yes, sir,
in currency
Q.-You told Green that Ruef wanted
II In currency? A-Yes, sir.
Q.-Well, from thar you understood
that Ruef didn't want his connection
with the matter ever known2 A-Well,
all that he said was 81 want it in cur
rency.' and I didn't pay any attention
70 it.
Q.-The ordinary way Of paying a
man $4,000 is TO give a check for it?
Al realize that.
Q.-You know that Ruef didn't want
his connection known? A--Evidently.
Q.-You never told IT to q soul on
earth except ]. E. Green and OBrien?
A-That's all.
Q-Why not to Crocker and the
other people interested? A-Well, they
were directors of the company; they
were heavily interested 1 didn't fig
ure il was my province to talk with
them about IT at all. 1 presumed that
Mr.. Green had told them whatever was
necessary to tell
Q-There was a lurking feeling
there In your mind that this was
something that should not be told to
them unless Green concluded they
ought to know itP Al won't say
that I thought If Mr.. Green, who
was the manager of the company, ii
was his business to tell Mr.. Crocker
or the other members.
Q.-It was something that you were
Jointly interested with Mr.. Crocker; he
was carrying a block Of stock for you
and il was natural you felt indignant
on being held up. the company held up
for $500 perfectly. natural for you
10 say to him that THIS fellow Ruef is
hog or a wolf and you have got to
put up that money, or he has agreed
20 take $4,000 although he wanted
s5o,000-nothing OF that sort of thing
said2 A--No.
Odd Ruef sign a voucher or re-
ceipt for that s15.oo07 A--No.
Odd you ask him for one? A.
No.
Q.-What protection did you have?
A-You see. this franchise had al
ready-he had already prepared papers
for the first franchise, which had
lapsed- Another thing I wanted to
tell you. il slipped my mind. I said
TO him. after 1 paid this. said-when
he said he wanted $4,000 more-I said
you got $4,000 already" He said.
That's gone; forget it,
Q.-You were acquainted with Mr..
Gallagher? A--Yes, sir.
Q.-You know him; have you ever
had q talk with him about the matter?
A--No.
o.-Ever ask you about it? A-Not
a word
Cor whom did Mr.. Watson get the
money. greenbacks? Al don't know.
He must have either got it at the
crocker- -Woolworth, where assume
they had their account. OF the Citizens
national
Q.-About when was that that you
paid him the $4,000? A-Some time
in July. ! am not positive
Q.-But July Of 1906? A-Yes, sir.
Q-And when was your first talk
with Ruef in the matter of the en-
ployment? A--That was probably