The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1907-01-11
HARTMAN MUST
REMAIN HERE
Commission viii Issue War
rants to Prevent Him From
Leaving Country.
CHICAGO INVESTIGATION
CONCLUDED THURSDAY
Hearing Adjourned, to Be Re-
sumed at Seattle
January 21.

CHICAGO, Jan. l0.-The attorneys
who are conducting the investigation
into the management of the Hartman
lines for the Government announced
today that they had determined 10 take
steps TO prevent F.. II. Hartman. n.
c. Frick and II. II, Rogers from lcav-
ing the jurisdiction of the Interstate
Commerce commission. In order TO
prevent this, steps will be taken, 10
continue the issuance OF writs of ne
exeat. by authority OF which they viii
be compelled to remain within the
jurisdiction Of the commission,
Chairman Knapp. at the commence
that the present hearing would adjourn
Mt noon, and Mr.. Kellogg, the Govern
ment attorney, declared he would be
able to get in all desired evidence by
] clock
James H. Hyland, traffic manager of
the Chicago. Milwaukee & ST, Paul,
was the FIRST witness today. He said
the Union Pacific and Southern Pacific
were formerly competitors for Pacific
coast business Mr., Hyland was asked
if competition between railroads would
still exist if ali the roads in the coun-
try were brought under one manage
ment,
He replied that in all probability
competition In such q case would re-
solve itself into question Of personal
rivalry between the separate manage
mentS of the roads. On the whole
he considered the edge would be taken
of the competition, and it would not
be as keen as under individual owner
ship. Mr.. Hyland declared thar since
Southern Pacific his road bad ey-
penenced greater difficulty in handling
certain classes of freight.
On cross-eNamination he was asked
by Attorney Milburn if the cousolda-
tion itself was the cause of the in
creased difficulty. He reolied: "Yes,
sir -
How does 1T work against your
''The greater part of the business I
have mentioned goes by the Southern
Pacific and is, ] presume DETECTED in
that direction in order TO make a longer
haul than would be the case If it went
by the Union Pacific
Kruttschnitt OH the Stand.
Julius Kruttschnitt followed Mr.. Hy-
land. Attorney Kellogg asked Mr.
kruttschnitt long series of questions
regarding his duties. The substance
of the answers was that the witness
is IN charge of operation Of all lines
tens. except the lines in Texas. Con
cerning those lines. he is frequently
consulted by Mr. Hartman and Presi-
dent Lovett Of the Texas lines When
asked who originated the idea of pIac-
ing one director in charge of operation
on all Hartman lines except the Texas
roads. the witness said he presumed
Mr.. Hartman.
r. o. Mccormick. in charge of pas
senger traffic on the Southern Pacific
and the Union Pacific was the third
witness. He was questioned along the
same lines regarding passenger traffic
as Mr. kruttschnitt had been concern
ing operation. An attempt was made
to show by Mr. Mccormick that the
advertising of the system was in the
hands of one man, but he declared that
the taafic manager of each line man
aged his own advertising. subject 10
the approval of Traffic Director Stubbs.
j. A. Munroe, freight traffic manager
of the Union Pacific, was called, The
questions answered by him were along
the lines of those put TO Messrs. Krutts-
chnitt and Mccormick
Ogden Route the Best.
On cross examination Mr.. Munroe
declared that in all essentials the
freight conditions between the Union
Pacific and Southern Pacific have not
been altered by the consolidation of the
two lines He asserted that while con-
nected with the Union Pacific prior TO
the consolidation he had never con
sldered the San Francisco route via
Portland and the sea as in any degree
comparable FOR efficient service. to the
route VIA Ogden and the Southern Pa
clfc.
He was asked if the Portland route
could be utilized by the Union Pacific
in offensive operations to offset unjust
rates by the Southern Pacific from Og-
den TO the Pacific coast He said II
was minimum value in such a con.
tlngency. Competitive conditions be-
tween the Southern and Union Pacific
had existed before the consolidation
and still exist
But said Mr. Severance, HMr.
Stubbs said Yesterday that there never
had been competition between them.
Do you differ from Mr. Stubbs?'
think there is competition now -
MI. Munroe declared that he did not
consider the Illinois tralSouthern
Pacific route via New Orleans to San
FRANCISCO as competitor of the Union
Pacitc- Southern Pacific line via Ogden
he did. however, recognize as strong
competitor the lines connecting with
the Southern Pacific at FL Paso.
AZ the conclusion of Mr.. Munroe s
evidence the hearing WAS adjourned un.
I'll January 81 at Seattle
Magnates Will Not Leave Country.
NEW YORK, Jan. l0.-United States
District Attorney Stimson, who will
have direction of the proceedings here
IN behalf of the Interstate Commerce
commission, would not say today
whether or not writs or warrants Of
ne exeat TO prevent +. II. Hartman,
A. G. Frick. IL, II, Rogers. and possibly
William Rockefeller, from leaving the
country have been issued.
The fact cannot he officially an.
nounced, - he said, until the warrants
nave been served AND become matter