The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1907-01-10

strong competition in Chicago for Pa
cific coast business, He was asked If
Mr., Nehmeyer, the Chicago agent, was
a competitor for this business.
He is.
els he a competitor as between the
Union Pacific and Southern Pacific? -
''As much as ever he was,
''That means he was never a a,compet-
itor7'
"Mr. Nehmeyer has always been in
structed TO ship from this territory via
Ogden If he worked for any other
road he violated his Instructions.
Mr. Kellogg asked many questions
regarding the competition of the Union
Pacific and Southern Pacific, designed
10 show that the roads were, prior to
1901, but are not now, competitors
Mr. Stubbs s answers were not always
satisfactory to the attorney
u understand said Mr.. Stubbs,
'what your idea is, but ] am giving
the facts as 1 know them.
II understand perfectly, Mr..
stubbs," " said Mr.. Kellogg, "just ex-
actly what You are giving me.
Never Were Competitors.
Mr.. Stubbs declared that the attor-
ney overlooked entirely the fact that
the Union Pacific is a connection of
the Southern Pacific.
~ don & overlook it at ALL, broke
in Mr., Kellogg,
noring the interruption, .'they are not
competitors for California business, -
And never were;'
'Not according TO my theory
How was it, then, when both roads
were members of the pool on Pacific
coast business. the Southern Pacific
took 81 per cent and the Union Pacific
30 per cent of the business9''
"There We're other lines in that pool,
YOU must remember. -
Mr.. Stubbs was asked il earlier in
his connection with the Southern Pa
ci6c the Union Pacific made higher
rates to California from points west Of
New York than from New York it
self, because the Southern Pacific was
compelled to assume the eastbound haul
TO New York in order to connect with
steamship lines.
"That was done said Mr.. Stubbs.
HWe had to be consistent.
He was asked if at that time the
Southern Pacific was not opposed in
the making of these rates by the Union
Pacific.
"Oh, 7 don t think so, - he replied.
''Were they not competitors for Pa
cifc coast business at that time''
'Tbey were; that is, the Southern
Pacific proper was competitor of the
line formed by the Union Pacific and
den
Had Separate Solicitors.
Mr.. Stubbs, in answer 10 questions,
said prior To 1901 the Union and the
Southern Pacific had separate solicitors
in various cities seeking the same Pa
cifc coast business,
Mr.. Kellogg asked Mr. Stubbs if he
would permit the cutting of rates by
the Southern Pacific in order TO take
business from the Union Pacific, or
vice versa
"No," he replied
'EDid you cut rates OF the Southern
Pacific in order 10 take business from
the Union Pacific prior to the consoli-
darion7'
'fI think not -
You never did thati'
"No"
"Never cut any ratesl''
owe never originated any cut
rates.
care not transcontineutal rates about |
10 per cent higher than before the
consoldati
''All the lines tried to advance rates
about - per cent. but il could not be
maintained.
Mr., Kellogg submitted to the witness
statements showing that the Union Pa
cifc had prospered greatly in the last |
few years, and asked If in view Of this |
he considered the present rates as
equitable.
~ consider them entirely reason
able
And the competition between the |
Union Pacific and the Southern Pacific |
is still kecnl''
''Just as keen"
90 Do You think this7"
''No; I know il, -
No Effect on Rates.
Commissioner Clements asked if the |
Southern Pacific owned stock in the |
Southern Pacific Express company. Mr. |
Stubbs replied he believed it did He
was. asked # the Union Pacific held
stock in the WellSFargo COMPANY The |
witness was unable to answer, but the
Union Pacific attorneys said that the
railroad held about 40 per cent of the
express company S stock
lr response to Mr.. Lane s questions,
Mr.. Stubbs declared there is as much
competition between transcontiuental
lines as there ever was.
''Would the fact asked Mr. Lane,
that two roads, such as the Northern
Pacific and the Great Northern, under
one ownership, have any effect on
rates7'
u don u believe it would have a
particle of effect said Mr. Stubbs.
In replying to further questions of
Commissioners Lane, Mr.. Stubbs said
preferentially with the Union Pacific, it
had reciprocal arrangement with the
Denver Rio Grande, by which the