The daily morning journal and courier., 1907-12-06
CITY BEAUTIFUL NOT TO GET s5,0O0
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 man of the committee, took the bur den of the presentation. He rehearsed the familiar ground of the city beauti- ful doings. He explained that 1t was the purpose of the plan simply to sup ply base for a permanent and logical system of improvements. He declared that while s5,oO0 was asked for the preliminary plans 1t was not certain that they would cost that much, but they wanted to be on the safe side.
 Senator Homan then asked if a sum had not been raised by public subscription, whereat MT. Seymour ex- plained the status of the pledges made in the early summer NO sum has been raised. by popular subscription" he said. "We have some $S,00O guar anteed by some eighty persons in the city that if the city authorities fail to provide anything for the plans they may not fall through on that account If the city makes no appropriation then we will have to call upon the guarahtors."
 He further explained that the im- provements were not intended to be carried out all at once, but only as certain new buildings and improve ments were intended any way by the city they should be built in accord ance with definite and thoroughly thought out plan already arranged. T regret" he said, "the adoption of the term "city beautiful" as the idea [ is not primarily of beautifying the city as of making better city. The great underlying reason for the grouping of the buildings is to add to the conven- fence of business"
 He defended the securing of an out side architect on the ground that a trained outsider could master local problems in a short time and could often reach better conclusion than a local man because he would not be prejudices.
 When MT Seymour concluded Carroll demanded that he give an account of all the meetings held in the mayors office and at the Historical society. Mir. f Seymour said there were stenographic reports, but If Mir. Carroll would come to his office he would show him all the data he had on the matter.
 ] Hereupon MT. Mccarthy entered the discussion again with question to Chairman Homan as to whether he had ruled that the committee had jurisdic- tlon, a point he raised before the hear ing started Homan stated that he had
 Carroll sprang up with protest against this ruling and began to dis cuss the matter Alderman Woodford began to tire of the debate and finally he interrupted. He adopted MT. Car rolls own method of appealing to the chair, He asked the chair to rule Car roll out of order and heated debate between the two started Woodford told Carroll, to, keep still until he had stated his point and then insisted that Carroll should De prevented from speaking until the opposition case was taken up. Then Carroll started to talk again and Woodford declared that either Carroll would shut up or he l would leave the room, To add color to the statement he took up his hat
 and coat and started out of the com mittee box
 Chairman Homan then told Carroll that the rules were made by the com mittee for the conduct of it's business and that unless he had specific ques- ton to ask through the committee he l would have Ito sit down and be still until his turn came. And in closing he declared that the committee would tol- crate no more insults of It's members 1 from him.
 Governor woodruff then spoke brief l ly in support of the request. He said l that he was much interested in the pro- ject for beautifying the city, that g 1 start must be made from definite plan and that as he understood 1t there was no idea of spending any large sum of money in the next few years but to simply supply q foundation from which to work, YIf we are to keep apace 1 with our sister cities, he said, I've must | get this basis. do not consider the sum asked at the present time a very large one" Osborne A, Day followed the governor in support of the plan.
 Then the opposition started. McCar- | thy spoke briefly reiterating his claim l that the matter was not legal, because 1t was not included in the estimates, | Attorney Rosenberg was opposed on