New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1907-04-03

Sometimes but not always" parted the
aIienist,
DIT. Albert Warren Ferris and Or. William D.
Pritchard gave practically the same replies TO
ar. Jerome's questions
FAMILY DOCTOR CALLED.
DIT. Charles F. Bingaman. Of Pittsburg. the
Thaw family physician, told of two visits TO the
Tombs He also told of case OF epilepsy in
the Thaw family but said the woman had
brought up family. recovered from her trouble
and lived to be sixty years old
! In the visits in the Tombs DR.. Bngaman said
he found that Thaw imagined there was a con-
spiracy against him between the prison officials
and the District Attorney to give him pneumonia
so as to avoid a trial.
Did you notice anything abnormal about the
defendants behavior while in court2' asked Mr.
Hartridge
NO He seemed to know what was going on
comprehended what was said 10 him and an
swered intelligentIy all questions"
DR.. Charles S. Pilgrim. president Of the State
Board of Lunacy. who testified at the trial for
the defence that Thaw did not know the nature
OF his acts. although they were wrong. was
called. He said he had based his opinion entire
ly on the hypothetical question. He gave his
present opinion privately to DIR. Putzel
DR.. Menus r. Gregory said he could not give
a proper opinion to the present mental con-
diton of the defendant without a further ex-
animation, but was of the belief that Thaw was
sane.
The defence then called its witnesses begin
ming with DIR. Graeme NJ. Hammond. He said
he was not willing to say under oath whether
Thaw was able to advise with counsel. as he
had only talked with him and had not made an
examination but he believed Thaw to be sane
While Dr. Hammond was testifying 5 o'clock
the usual closing hour, arrived and Thaw rose
TO his feet and turned about TO look at the clock
Are not going to shut up shop at the
regular time to-day" he asked.
Mr.. Jerome heard him. and said: Il feel that
we should conclude the examination Of this wit
ness to-day"
Then I want to go out" replied Thaw. IF
that is the case. fellow gets awfully stiff SIT
ting here In one position all day"
Don't be long. Harry Mr.. Hartridge called
to him, and the defendant walked to the cor
ridor. where he did "settng-up" exercises fer
three or four minutes and then returned %
| court.
SANE. SAYS DEFENCE's ALIENIsTs.
Dr. Hammond told OF a number OF talks with
| the defendant. all tending TO show. he said that
he The relation Of one of them
caused much merriment. in which even the
grave experts Joined. He said that once. during
the trial. when Mr.. Delmas announced the de-
fence was willing 10 have DR.. Allan McIauc
Hamilton tell all he knew. Thaw turned TO him
and remarked: We'll. If that is the case think
do"
His talks" explained DR.. Hammond. showed
his mind was logical and that he understood The
facts"
DO you think it IS necessary interrupted
Mr.. Olney. TO make physical examination in
order To determine his condition."
"A physical examination is not necessary. I
think without doubt. he is able TO consult with
counsel"
Dolphin NJ. Demas was recalled properly to
| identify the memoranda made by Thaw for
summing up purposes. Il have gone over them
very carefully" he said. and found many very
valuable hints which VIII use II necessary. in
my summing up
The last two witnesses. DR.. Smith Ely JelIifse
and DR.. Brtton n Evans, were openly hostile
| to the District Attorney During their cross
examination repartee few back and forth not
always In favor OF the prosecutor. A black
board which the various forms Of paranoIa
had been described by Or. Jeliffe was produced
Dr. Jelliffe said he made the drawings some DAYS
ago. leaving the blackboard in the defence's Wit
ness room, and the District Attorney had
helped himself 20 IT.
Wei. it paid for by mo out OF the coun-
tvs money" Mr.. Jerome said.
Il paid for the chalk said DR. JelIiffe. and
the brains went with the chalk"
Ihey apparently went long since" was Mr.
Can you tell whether the defendant Is san.
or insane Eow?" asked the District Attorney.
What is he?'
Sane. have examined him Ave times and
am absolutely unable 10 find any trace OF de-
fusion still existing"
You seem very confident Of your opinion?"
Il am confident. made SO by my examinations
not confident without examinations. as some
others seem TO he
DIR. EVANS TALKS BACK"
DR.. Evans started right in to talk back 10
the District Attorney, taking advantage OF the
wider latitude allowed with the commission
than with the court. He styled some of Mr.
Jerome's questions as 'Tidicuous' and made
other unfavorable comments. In reply 10 ques-
lions, he said The defendant Is sane No man
with a systematiZed delusion would have stayed
here sixth of a year and not shown some signs
of paranoia He has shown absolutely nothing
Of that sort"
DR.. Evans's examination closed the longest
session of the trial at $50 o'clock.
II learned that the newspaper clippings
collected and annotated 10y Thaw concerned not
only his own trial, but various cases of women
committing suicide after having been wronged.
All OF the clippings We're interlined and under
lined, and curously marked with marginal
of his counsel T9aw has peculiar way of
writing synony words above another
in his documents. and sometimes they were
five deep on the annotated clippings.
Thaw suggested TO Mr. Demas that in Prep
aration for summing up he read Gladstone's
David and Goliath. Percy's 'Reliques OF An
cient English Poetry" and the legend of St.
George and the Dragon, particularly the killing
Of the beast by the Saint Then there were
suggestions from extracts from some lauda-
tory letters received by Thaw.
KELSEY CASE GOES OYER.