Omaha daily bee. (Omaha [Neb.]) 187?-1922, 1907-01-09
President Of Santa Fs Tsstihss IN Hartman
Inquiry in Chicago.
GETS HIS NEWS FROM THE PRESS
BE Recently Read that Union Pacific Held
Stock in His Road
ROGERS AND FRlcK REPRESENT IT
Hartman Lines cOmpste with Santa Fs at
Tome Points
TESTIMONY ON RATES ON LIVE STOCK
TESTIMONY ON RATES ON LIVE STOCK
darlington Agent Says Charges wer'
Advanced Because of Heavy
Damage Claims that Had
20 BE Paid.

CHICAGO. Jan. G--The inquiry OF the
Interstate Commerce commission into the
management and methods OF the Herman
railroads begun in New York, was resumed
here today.
The commission was occupied most Of
the day with evidence relating TO rates
on cattle from Texas points, and It was
not until late in the afternoon that the
Hartman lines were brought before the
board. Only one witness was examined.
President Ripley OF the santa Fe railway
Mr.. Ripley's testimony did not bring out
any startling information He declared he
did not know until he had read it last
week in the papers that ths Union Pacific
was the holder OF nearly SO 0000OO OF Santa
Fe stock. lie asserted that when ap
preached by representatives Of this stock
for the right to name members of the
Santa Fe directory, he refused to consider
the proposition untn II was distinctly un-
derstood that the directors to be named
were not officers of the Union Pacific or
OF any other linz competitive with the
Santa Re. The directors named were II.
II. Rogers and Henry c. Prick. both Of
whom were directors of the Union Pacific
at the time Of their election TO the Santa
Re directorate. President Ripley testified
that their connection with the Union Pa
cifc had in no way impaired their useful
ness TO the Santa Fe.
President Ripley was examined and cross
examined at considerable length, as TO
whether the Union Pacific and the Southern
Pacific were competitors Of each other and
of the Santa Fe. The substance OF his
testimony in this respect was tHat while
competitors in some things, they were not
30 on all classes Of trafic nor from all
parts OF the country.
President Ripley's Testimony.
The inquiry INTO the management OF the
Hartman lines was taken up shortly be-
fore 4 o'clock this afternoon by the Inter
state Commerce commission. President
E p Ripley of the Santa Fe road was
the FIRST witness.
Mr.. Ripley was questioned by +. B.
Kellogg acting for the commission:
'-Did you know. Mr.. Ripley, that the
Union Pacific owns s1o.o0o.000 of stock
IN the Santa Fer"
II did not know II until saw II in the
press dispatches from New YORK last
week
when did you hear OF q desire on the
part Of the Union Pacific people 70 be
represented in the directory OF the Santa
Fer
"sofne time ago. Certain parties In
Kew York intimat ID a desire to represent
certain holdings Of stock in our directory
and I said thar IT would be agreeable to
allow them two directors provided they
were not officers OF competing lines"
Nf''who did they ask 70 have elected?"
III. H. Rogers and Henry c. Frick."
"You understood they were directors Of
i. the Union PacihcY'
Certainly / did"
The witness said that he had no per
sonal knowledge whatever OF the acquisi-
tion Of Santa Fe stock by the Union Pa
cinc.
No Pool on Rates.
HAS the Santa Fe any agreement with
either the Union or Southern Pacific for
maintaining certain rates, OF is there any
pooling between themG"
There is no pool and no agreement re-
garding rates"
Mr. Keilogg by a series of questions
brought from the witness that the South
ern Pacific and Union Pacific were natura
competitors for much trafac between tn,
east and the Pacific ccast. He asked
President Ripley II these two lines die
not maintain equal rates and the witness
replied;
Il am not prepared to say"
President Ripley was cross-examined b,
John ID. Milburn. attorney for the Uniol
Pacific. He asked hrst n Messrs. Roger
a and Frick had ever. while acting as direc
! tors OF the santa Re. discovered any de
sire TO injure It IN favor of the Unioi
Pacinc.
.'Not at an" replied President Ripley
They arc as good directors as we have.
says PAeiacs Are Competitors.
Before the combination OF the Southern
and Union Pzeihc were those roads com
u.
Eloner Prouty,
NO more than al present"
You said you would admit a repre-
sentative OF Mr.. Hartman as a directol
but not an ofiice- OF the Union Pacin'
What II the dinorenceT'
II did not say that" replied Presider
Ripley. II said we objected TO the eleS
tion as a director Of an oficer OF th
Union Pacific as a personal represents
tive Of Mr.. Hartman because we did nc
desire an ofhcer OF another road IN ou
directory"
The examination Of President Ripley cor
cluded with a series Of questions put a
ternAtely by Attorneys Kellogg and Nj
burn regarding the through trafnc to II
Pacific coast. Mr. kellogg desiring to sho
the Santa Fe. the Southern Pacific and II
Union Pacife are competitors and Mr.. nj
burn TO show the reverse.
At the conclusion OF the testimony OF NJ
Ripley the hearing was adjourned unt
tomorrow morning at 10 O'Clock
Cattle Rate Inquiry.
Cattle ratks and the terminal charges
Chicago on shipments Of stock oocupi'
ths> opening session
Chester n. Dawes OF the Burlington roa
asserted that 81 was not possible for hi
TO furnish certain statistics regarding shi
menta, which had been requested by A
tOrnsy Cowan. representing the Tex
Cattie 0r0Wers ASSOCIATION
Mr.. C0wan declared that other roads hl
furnished these figures and Il should
possible for the Burlington road to do q
na1nA
The matter was dropped after some q
} bAta II is expscted THAI the inquiry IN