The San Francisco call., 1907-02-20
Delnnas Contests Every
Inch, but Is Worsted
Letters and Checks Are Put in Evidence


filed the courtroom when the Thaw
case opened this morning. DR.. Evans,
the defendants alienist, was the first
of the characters Of the case to appear.
A decided surprise was sprung by
the defense in recalling Mrs. Evelyn
-Thaw to the stand Immediately
after the court convened. Mrs. Thaw
looked pale and serious as she took
the stand. She appeared in the same
simple costume that she has worn
every day since the trial. She smiled
slightly as she caught her husbands
eye. Thaw returned the smile and then
turned TO Attorney O'Reilly, with whom
he talked for a minute eXcitedly. Then
he returned TO his conversation with
DR.. Evans. but for the most part kept
his eyes on his wife, only turning o6-
casionally to whisper in the doctoNs
ear
After Mrs. Thaw had sat in the wit
ness chair for nearly i've minutes Del
mas began his examination.
You have already testified that you
are familiar with the handwriting Of
Stanford White" said the attorney. Il
now hand you a paper and ask you If it
is the handwriting Of Mr.. White?
Mrs. Thaw gazed at the paper, evil
IDENTIFY a letter, and said: 1T is his
handwriting"
Mr. Delnas handed the witness six
other letters and they also were iden-
tilted as having come from Stanford
White.
After moments delay still other
letters We're Identified. Letter after
letter Delmas handed the witness and
she identified each one. She took the
letters in her hand and glanced at
each before she returned il TO the at
toruey. When Mrs. Thaw had identi-
fed thirty letters Delmas returned to
the counsel table and brought forth a
new package and the work of identi-
ficati0n continued.
In all Mrs. Thaw identified forty-two
letters She was nearly half an hour
st the task.
SECOND OPERATION
As the examination of the letters was
concluded Delmas turned to the wit
ness and said:
How long have you known May Mackenzie ?
How long has Mr. Thaw known her'
Did you in May. 1906. relate to Mr.. .Thaw
conversation you had with May Mackenzie
with reference to what she said 10 you regard
ing stanford Nhites
May Mackenzie told me Stanford White had
been TO see her and that she had told him
thar Harry and I getting along hnely TO-
gether She said she thought II was SO nice
the way we loved each other. She said Stan
ford white had remarked pooh, it won't last.
Did Mr. Thaw say anything when you told
He SAID he had alreaoy heard it from Miss
what was his condition when you told him.
The way he always was, when talking Of
White, very excited and nervous.
You had a second operation in 1905, had
y0q Yes. Rot'
Who made the arrangements for it and paid
Harry K. Thaw
How much the blllT
In all about $1,000. The operation itself was
Did Mr Thaw have any. conversation with
the attending physician az that time regsroing
your previous relations with stanford Nhlte :
10. not in my presence
Did Nr. Thaw at the time Of your marriage
tsik very much about the incident in your life
connected with Stanford Eghite2
Yes. He always talked about it. he would
awaken me often at night sobbing. And then
he would constantly ask me questions about
the details Of this terrible thing.
Did you visit May Mackenzie al her apart
ments in 1902
While you were there did Stanford White
Yes. stanford white Spoke to me several
times. and always answered yes or no. BE
came over and started 10 srraighten bow on
my hair. Ny hair was short having been cut
on al the time Of the operation Then Stan
ford White tried to put his arms around me,
and wanted TO sit beside him on the bed.
] told him 10 leave me alone.
Mrs. Thaw said that Harry Thaw
always attributed her illness, the
necessity for the second operation, etc,
TO Stanford White
She also testified that Thaw had told
her he was going to take up Stanford
Whites affairs with Anthony Com
stock. She continued:
told him it would co no good that White
had many influential friends and that be could
stop #. I told him thar lots Of people would
not believe the things about White on account
DID YOU and Mr. Thaw discuss the fates sof
other young women at the hands Of Stanford
White, and did you call him certain names.
Jerome objected.
Delmas reframed the question and
Mrs. Thaw said she and her husband
had discussed - number of young
women.
Are they the same as mentioned in the eodicn
10 Mt. Thaw's winf
Yes.
FATE or THE PIE GIRL
Did you and ar. Thaw discuss the fate Of
Yes. was in Paris in 1903. He asked me
what other girls knew Of who had suffered
tie hands Of Stanford White I told him
h4o heafe Of me ple girl 2irl ar the thester
tod me about IT, and that night. when stanford
White came 10 my dressing room. I asked him
about H. He asked where had heard the
told me all about # tie tien There @ was G stag
dinner. lie said. and this girl put in big
about - years ] think he said. He also told
thar the girl had beautiful figure and wore
only a game dress. He helped put her IN the
pie and fixed f.. When the girl jumped out Of
the pie tbe birds few all about the room.
At dinner party at the st. Regis in
1904 when Mr.. and Mrs. Thaw and an
other member were present the guest
told Mr.. Thaw the story of the pie girl
Mrs. Thaw continued;
He said that Mr. White and another man
had trouble about it-trouble to keep it out
of the papers He said they went on their
knees 10 the editor Of the paper and finally
had IL suppressed.
What newspaper was IL
The American.
What did Mr.. Thaw say
He said he would. investigate the story and
what truth there was in IL.
When did he next talk about the story:
The next time IN Pittsburg when were
married He told that the girl was dead.
He had inTesti gated the story and that IL was
true; that afterward the girl married. but her
husband heard the story Of her connection with
Mr. White and that he cast her OF and She
died IN great poverty and disgrace
Did you and Mr. Thsw often speak of these
Riris7
Yes ] could not tel you every place and
every time we discussed #. He told some
thing ought 70 be done about the girls told
him ] could not do anything. he said I could
help him. ] tried TO get his mind on other
things and then be would say I was trying to