New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1907-02-13
JEROME HIKES PROTEST.
accuses Defence of Misleading Wit
ReSSeS-DeImas INDIGNANT.

were IN the courtroom yesterday. Josiah and
Edward Thaw and George Lauder Carnegie
were present all day. The largest crowd that
has attempted to get into the courtroom hung
around for hours. The cold weather seemed to
make no difference. The basement of the build
ing finally had to be cleared by the police.
When Thaw entered he did not show to good
advantage His face twitched and his eyes
fairly blazed. He stood and stared at Justice
Fitzgerald for moment before seating himself
During the day, however. he regained his COM
posure and laughed and talked to the alenis;s
who sat near him.
DIT Britton D. Evans, insanity expert was the
first and only witness called by the defence all
day. His direct examination and arguments by
counsel took so long that he viii be recalled this
morning. Dr.. Evans told of the various cases
he had been retained in. the societies and or
CARNATIONS he is a member Of and said he had
been superintendent Of the New Jersey state
Hospital at Norris Plains since 1892 Mr. Del
mas Of the defence then asked DR. Evans:
,Q--Do you know the defendant Harry X Thaw?
eQt-Iiow long have You known him. doctor? Al
HiSI saw him on August 4. 1905.
2-Where2 Am the Tomhs.
him In the Tomhs-how many times in all? A.
Eight times ON eight different days or occasions
alone on August 4 and October + on all the Other
occasions I was associated win and acconnanied
by, in a professional way Or. Charles q. Wagner.
oL Ile 6ng halnton state Hospital for the Insane
QIihen what did you observe of Mr.. Thaw's
EaIl2us visits stating them If possible doctor be
ginning Win the first and continuing to the last or
tons on them all-whchever way may be deemed
by Eou the most convenient?
Mr. Jerome objected to the question. and after
considerable argument It was decided that DR..
Evans should tell of his visits one by one and
not the result collectively. Mr.. Delmas asked:
Q@Thot vas august 4. was IT, doctor. the hrst
Q-Then proceed. Al observed that Harry X.
elaring Of the eyes, restessness Of The eyes
Susl ,i viewing of the SURROUNDINGS and me.
Watching my every movement. I observed a
kous agitation and resuessness. such as comes
sons who have recently gone through explosive
or Illuminating condition Of mental unsoundness.
logOrrhma.
TIIAW'S EXAGGERATED EGO"
He exhibited decisions of a personal character.
Of persecutory Character IN that he exbibit@d the
TACT that he felt himself Of exaggerated Importance.
Ware my obseryations on august nose
Q.-You have used in giving the observations.
doctor number Of terms, which it may possibly be
You speak OF an exaggerated egO2 A.-Yes
Q-Wil YOU kindly state TO the jury IN some
Wh55 palmer terms II possible what is the idea in
!ssaaeq to be e9nyeysd by those w2rdsIwhat Is the
Is T I6 54t @gt Win d He pToP9so4 not fh5t
error? A--Yes, sir; or for self II is an exhibition
of exaggerated value put upon the ability.
Tecity and influence Of ones own self out Of pro
portion with that which can be given 70 bat par
sitons presented 20 the observer or examiner. An
anaIyE5 OF t4s person puts him uI2n an ordinary
with powors, capacities and abilities far above
HIM and out Of Uroortion with normal human be-
ms under the ADVANTAGES Of tho- particular person
DR.. Evans gave the technical descriptions Of
other terms he had used. He also said he found
Thaw suffering from logorrhea. abnormal
flow Of words not characteristic Of the healthy
mind" He also found Thaw suffering from de-
lusions, and said:
Mr.. T'haw presented to me what believe to have
been false beliefs. Ny argument did not shake him
already detailed IN a general way, as far as l
o f 81 Psr F 10, ms % gF2
covers my first visit.
Q-Now proceed. doctor. A.-The second visit
was according to my recollection, on the 2st Of
Q.-You have so stated. Now proceed. Al was
accompanied by Dr. Wagner 1 found
Thaw to be nervous and agitated. and that he had
Ii5a $3.50 Ei S W. eS "1tST n 50 WI itJ0 S
lions OF that sort: that agitated condition; that
look OF suspicion; watching me, watching those
about him; and stta the exegesereted ego. ! OBJ
what to do than to submit 10 me as the examiner
and as the person who was 70 look after what
exaggerated ego; lie stu along with thai exhibited
decisions Of persecution unlike The prosecutions Of
persecution that IS just, lie exhibited the decisions
decisions or ldeas-and f,r the reason that they
were unjust and unfair and attacked the most
vital interest OF his being and lie and his soc al
welfare.
THOUGHT HIMSELF PERsECUTED.
OFF understand you that subject the sense
| OF persecution which accompanies lneiancholia, Il
well known OF insanity. is that OF depression
and submission, bowling down TO the things that
are done. which constitutes the persecution
OF the defendant here was that OF eHaltatlon and
revolt rather than suspicion Am rlEaJt a
| Yesi that was against prosecutions which he be
| ueVed being heapcd upon him, which ! OBJ
| served which he held were being heaped upon him.
O-Without further questioning doctor. will YOU
proceed and state to us IN your own way all that
| you observed on that visit ana wont you also
! kindly inform as 50 that we may pass 10 some
! thing else when you have hnlshedE A. nave
! practically within my limit expressed all that L
| Q.-Now, then you may pass to the third visit
which you have mentioned First. as accurately as
| you may give the date or how long was II
QZProceed and tell US what you observed on
the third visit according TO my best recollection,
was that Mr. Thaw exhibited delusious OF suspicion
| explosiveness OF mental makeup, characteristics
| OF a person OF unsound mind
Q.-How long did that visit last, DOCTOR A
! Less than fifteen minutes If my memory serves me.
Mr. Delmas made an attempt TO get intro
duced conversations OF Thaw with the alienists.
| He quoted opinions but Justice Fitzgerald sus-
| tanned objections of the prosecution. he had
! done on Monday. All counsel could get in evil
| dence was the fact that DR.. Evans had partly
based his opinions of Thaw's sanity on the oral
statements Of Thaw. Mr.. Delmas then went on
to the fourth visit. and asked:
foTirtl visit - remember correctly, that on
tae cd / was in company with DR.. Wagner. The