Evening times-Republican. [volume] (Marshalltown, Iowa) 1890-1923, 1907-02-18
"of Stanford White and at great
length spoke of the alleged wrongs the
mon had done to innocent and pure

man had done to innocent and pure
minded girls. He never referred te
himself and did not seem to feel In
any danger from his position as pris-
oner charged with murder He declared
White had drugged, poisoned and
ruined great number of young women
who had not been inclined to crime
women whose minds as well as bodies
had been pure. He declared 1t to be
scheme of his own lawyers and every
body else to have all these matters shu'
away from the public
Tells Of Second Visit.
Evans tnen described his second
visit on August 21
"Thaw came into the examination
room of the Tombs with large paste
board box in his arms 1t was hlleo
with papers. He was nervous and agi-
tated and looked at both myself and
DR.. Wagner with a peculiar stare. He
had an air of self Importance, as if he
was telling us what to do instead OF
undergoing examination. He said he
felt all right and slept very well. He
then proceeded to tell us the same
story Of persecution he had related to
me on the occasion of my first visit
He referred constantly to this man.
this creature this dead man. beast,
'blackguard,' and said the man had
sought to take the virute OF every
pure minded woman who came within
the sphere of his observation. Thaw
said to us:
''I tried to save them; did all in my
power l never wanted to shoot the
creature, destroying all mothers and
daughters in America, but / wanted,
thru legal means. to bring him to trial
wanted to get him into court, so he
would be brought to Justice
'I then asked him why, under such
circumstances. he had shot White
Providence took charge of it, he re-
piled. This was an act of providence,
For my part / would rather have had
him suffer in court. The humiliation
the revelation of his acts would have
caused
"He said he had gone to see Anthony
Comstock, District Attorney Jerome
and private detective agency. He said
Jerome had told him he had better let
the matter drop; there was nothing to
1t. Detectives told him they would
take the matter up, but they had not
submitted the proper report. AS to
Comstock, he said he discovered that
Delaney Nicoll, attorney, was acting as
legal advisor both to White and Com
stock. He regarded this as another
link in the conspiracy against him. I
asked him why he had carried a pistol
and he said that Detective O'Mara had
advised him to do SO after he had told
O'Mara on several occasions that thugs
had jostled him in an attempt to get
him into a quarrel and street brawl.
He said that these thugs were hired
agents of White. who did not want to
take the responsibility and danger of
making personal attack. He said
that White had hired the Monk East-.
man rang to get him into a quarrel,
and then bat or kick him to death"
An "Asent of Providence."
The witness next went into de-
scription of his third visit to Thaw, on
September 10. He was accompanied by
DR.. Wagner and Hartridge. Thaw
came into the room again carrying the
pastboard box full of papers. Hart
ridge had tried to induce him to give
up the papers. Thaw said that the
papers had to be looked after at once
He then turned abruptly about and
left the room, saying: Good day, doc
tor, am very sorry
'As a result Of that visit. did you
draw any scientific deductions from
Thaw's actions?"
"Yes, he displayed a highly explo-
sive mental make-up, in that without
adequate cause he dismissed his coun-
sci and physicians after he had agreed
in advance that we should come there
for the purpose indicated. He dis
played defective reason in putting
aside professional men whom he had
been assured were there thru no un-
part"
. did Thaw say to you that he was
not insane?"
"Yes, SIR
'.Is it common thing for persons
suffering from unsound mind to pro-
test that they are not insane?"
st is very common. About 95 per
cent Of them do it,
Evans said that Thaw declared per-
haps 200 or 900 persons might be found
who would say that he was insane, but
he did not think they could prove it.
What conclusion did you reach as
to Thaw's declaration that his act had
been the act of providence?"
"That it was insane delusion."
Are not repentance, remorse, and
fear of punishment, normal conditions
Of sane man after he had committed
an act of homicide, and absence Of
these elements evidence of unsound-
ness of mind?"
"As rule, remorse and repentance
are found in a sane mind; in my opin-
ion the absence of these feelings is an
indication of mental unsoundness."
DR.. Wagner Testifies.
This ended the direct examination of
Evans. DR.. Charles G. Wagner, su-
perintendent of the state hospital for
insane at Binghamton, who testified
briefly last week, but was not allowed
to relate his conversations with Thaw,
was recalled to tell of these.
CAS- result of your visits to Thaw
did you reach conclusion as to the
mental condition of the defendant 2"
asked Delmas.
"Yes In my opinion he was at that
time insane. When visited him Au-
gust 21, he told me Drs. Flint, McDon-
aid and Mabon had visited him and
had asked permission to examine him.
but he had refused to allow them to do
So"
The three physicians mentioned are
alienists employed by the state in the
case Wagner repeated practically the
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