The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1907-02-19
She was nearly half an hour at

| There were two vacant places at the
| table Occupied by the attorneys for The
| defense this morning. the seats usually
occupied by Messrs. Gleason and Pea
\ body, leaving only four lawyers pres
! ent. Mr.. Delmas, Mr.. Hartridge, Mr.
| O'Reilly and Mr.. McPil6e. 1t was said
| Mr.. Gleason was suffering from tooth
ache. Mr. Peabody, it was said, was
| examining witnesses.
AS the examination of the letters
was concluded Mr.. Delmas turned to
the witness.
How long have you known May Nc
Kenzie?"
"Since 1901"
How long has Mr. Thaw known
her? p"
Thaw a conversation you had with
May Mackenzie especially with refer
ence to what she said to you regard
ing Stanford White?"
District Attorney Jerome objected
but was overruled.
May Mackenzie told me- said
Mrs. Thaw, Stanford White had been
to see her and that she had told him
that Harry and l were getting along
finely together.
the way we loved each other.
"She said Stanford White had re-
marked Pooh, it won't last. 1 will get
her back
Did Mr.. Thaw say anything when
you told him this?"
He said he had already heard it
from Miss Mackenzie
What was his condition when you
told him %
The way he always was when on
the subject of Stanford White
"How was that?"
VERY excited and nervous
You had a second operation in
1905 did you not?"
Yes"
Thaw Paid the Bill.
''who made the arrangements for it
and paid the cost?'
Harry K. Thaw."
How much was the bill?''
In all about $4,000. The operation
itself was $1,000" The nature of the
operation was not gone into.
Did Mr.. Thaw have any conversa-
ton with the attending physician at
that time regarding your previous re-
lations with Stanford White ?"
mo sir, not in my presence"
Did Mr.. Thaw at the time of your
and subsequent thereto talk
very much about the incident in your
life connected with Stanford White?'
Yes. He always talked about it. He
would waken me often at night, Sob
bing. And then he would constantly
ask me questions about the details of
this terrible thing"
Did you visit May Mackenzie at her
apartments in 1904?'
Yes; she was i'll and sent me let
ter to come to see her.
while you were there did Stanford
White come imp
Yes"
Did you tell Mr. Thaw of anything
that then occurred" ?"
Yes. Stanford White spoke to me
several times and I always answered
started to straighten a bow on my hair.
My hair was short, having been cut off
at the time of my first operation. Then !
stanford White tried to put mis- arms
me and wanted me to sit beside
him on the bed. I told him to leave
me alone"
Mrs. Thaw said that Harry Thaw
always attributed her i'll health. the
necessity of the second operation, etc.
to Stanford White Mrs. Thaw also tes-
tilted that Thaw had told her he was
going to take up Stanford Whites af-
fairs with Anthony Comstock.
I told him 1t would do no good, that
Stanford White had many influential
friends and that he could stop it. 1
believe the things about Stanford
White on account of his personality"
Prisoner Hides His Face.
During the early examination of his
wife, Thaw continued to converse with
Mr.. OReilly and DIR. Evans occasional |
y smiling at one or the other. When
she reached the part where she told of
mis- feelings, when Whites name was !
he buried his face in his |
hands.
Did you and Mr.. Thaw discuss the
-ate of other young women at the hands |
of Stanford White and did you tell him |
certain names?"
Mr.. Jerome objected.
Counsel keeps up this incessant lead
ng, leading, leading" commented MI |
Jerome, Il must object" Mr.. Delmas
said. she and her husband had discussed |
1 number of young women.
Are they the same as mentioned in |
the codicil to Mr.. Thaw's WHIP"
I haven't seen the codicil."
The codicil was produced.
Mrs. Thaw read it, and said that |
the names were the same.
Did you and Mr.. Thaw discuss the |
fate of the pie girl p "
Yes, sir. 1t was in Paris in 1903. |
He asked me what other girls 1 knew !
IF who had suffered at the hands of
stanford White. 1 told him I had |
heard of the pie girl. whose name was
known to both of US. A girl at the
heater had told me about it and that
night when Stanford White came to
my dressing room, / asked him about
I. He asked me where 1 had heard
he story. l told him a girl had told |
ne. Then he told me all about 1t.
Story of the Pie Girl.
There was a stag dinner, he said, |
md this girl was put in a big pie with
1 lot of birds She was very young
lbout 3 years. 1 think he said. He
llso told me that the girl had a beauti-
'ul figure and wore only a loose dress.
He helped her in the pie and fixed it
md said it was the best stunt he ever
saw at a dinner. When the girl jump
I'd out of the pie the birds flew all
ibout the room.''
At n dinner party at St. Regis in
-9O4. when Mr.. and Mrs. Thaw and
mother man We're present. the guest
cid Mr.. Thaw the story of the pie
girl. He said" Mrs. Thaw con-
inned. that Mr.. White and another
nan had trouble about ito keep it
'ut Of the newspapers. He said they
vent on their knees to the editor of
me newspaper to keep the story out
If the paper and finally. through the