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was spoken Of / remember after think
ing it over and it must have been $780,
00o because I recall there was one
question of $4,000, half in advance and
1000, the other half when 1T was to
have been put through. Itkis possible
thatI may have suggested. If Mr. Cope
says l did, that I suggested tentatively
$50 000 and he said that is out OF the
question. l might have said, do you
think you can go to 100000. and ne
would say more like it, / would say 1t
is likely.
Q-Wasn't it with Umbsen that you
had the conversation with Umbsen
about $4,000 down and $4,000 instead
of Mr.. Cope? Any recollection still
is that 1 had such a talk with Mr.. Cope,
but as I stated moment ago, 1 dldn
charge my mind with the conversation
wi<tl Cope after started to do business
with Umbsen. 1t is possible. If Cope
said 1 spoke of $4,000, that I said, do
you think you would be willing to pay
a fee of $4,000. Mr.. Cope, l wish to
say this, is man whose word is gooo.
and his recollection of this business
being a particular transaction with
him and not mixed with other people
in the same matter, would besperhaps
more definite than mine If l remem-
Der $4,000 I would say $4,000 1t
would make no difference whether $780,
600 or $4,000. am trying to give as
nearly as possible my exact recollec-
ton.
c. H. UMBSEN RECALLED.
Q.-You are willing to continue to
testify on the same conditions as your
other testimony, that If it has ten
dency, to incriminate yourself? A.
Yes, sir.
Odd you ever have a talk with
Mr. Brobeck, the attorney? A.-Yes,
ON relation to this matter? A.
Yes, sir.
Q.I wish you would tell the jury
what the talk was? A--After l went
away, shortly after-I had death IN
my family and the doctor advised me
to take my wife away, and as soon as
I could get ready 1 took trip down
through Florida and Havana and back
to New York and home. On my arrival
home my brother in law, Mr.. Hender.
son, said to me, Mr.. Brobeck sent for
me and says will act as your attorney
in this matter, and l want you to send
me out fee, 1 think, 1t was either 50
or $40. He said, want you TO tell
Mr.. g. HI. JJmbsen that don't want him
to talk about this thing, to keep ms
mouth shut. .
Odd he mention what thing it
was? A-Certainly; Parkside mauer-
Q.-Did Brobeck come to see you
when you got home? Ale told my
brother in law to tell me to come out
and see him as soon as T came back
went out and he told me the same
thing
Q.-Give me the substance of the
talk you personally had with him as
near as you can? Ale said about
this Parkside matter. don't want you
to say anything about this thing. Just
keep your mouth shut; talk to no one.
Odd he say anything to Indicate
there was any investigation on at that
time, that Burns was Investigating?
A.-He said nothing about Mr.. Burns
Q-Mr Henderson had told you about
Burns? Al knew that from Hender-
son.
Ole told you that he and Brobeck
had talked about Burns, Henderson told
you? Al knew that Mr.. Burns nad
investigated the thing to this extent.
that he had been out to the Parksido
office and saw Mr.. Hooper, one OF the
men out there, and said he understood
$50, 900 had been paid. was familiar
with that matter.
Henderson told you that Brobeck
had referred to that when he sent for
him? A--No he said, You tell G. H.
not to say anything about Parkside,' =
and when / went to see him he said.
Now about this Parkside matter. there
is a report out that $4,000 has been
paid in that matter and 1 don't want
you to do any talking. l want you to
keep your mouth shut
Q-Was any one else present when
that conversation took place? A--No,
sir.
Q.-where was the office? AIR.
Brobeck's office.
o.-Where was that? A--On Meal
lister street, I think the number is
1910 or 1912.
Odd you see any one else when
you went In that day? A.-No.
Q.-What time of day was it? A.
or $50 in the morning.
Q-Do you know what day it was,
about what day? Al think it was
can tell you in minute / should
judge about six weeks ago.
QADo you know what day of the
week it was? Can you fix that? Alt
was the day after returned home.
Q.-You can get at that exact date,
can you? Al can.
Q.-And let me know? Ayes.
Odd you ever talk with Judge
Cope, Walter Cope, about it? A.-Not
at that time.
Q.-Had you before that talked with
him about it at all? A.-No.
Q.-Have you since? A.-Yes sir.
Q.-How long ago? A.-Last-I want
to be sure about this thing-the day
was called-here first.
Q.-That day you were subpenaed?
A.-Yes, sir.
Q.-Did he call for you or you call on
him? How did you come to meet him
that day? A.-Over at the Crocker-
Wooiworth bank.
Q.-Were you sent for to come over
there? A--Let's see. When l was sub
penaed I sent Mr.. Henderson out to Mr..
Brobeck's Office and told him that had
been subpenaed in this matter; yes, sir.
that was the day. and hr Brobeck and
Mr.. Morrison-and let me be sure about
Morrison-Mr. Brobeck and Judge Cope
were there. and Mr.. Morrison
Q.-Where, at the Crocker- Wool
worth? A.-Yes, sir.
Q.-And who else? A.-Mr. Gregg,
Mr.. Crocker.
Q.-That is w. II. Crocker and Wei
lington Gregg? A.-Yes, sir.
Q.-And Charlie Green? A-Yes sir.
Q.-J- E. Green? Al. E. Green.
.Q.-What conversation took place
there? A--Judge Cope and Mr.. Bro
beck were deciding between themselves,
and rather .fhfnL Mr. Mo~v;oov <bof