The San Francisco call., 1907-06-11

Eneer:
you cared so little about kiiIins
men that i didn't make any impression
or youT
ALWAYS TALKED OF MURDER
We were al~aye talking about
some way 20 Kill nOnunion men OF
mine managers or 20 drive strike
breakers out Of the district" answered
Orchard We did not think much
about IT.
That IS. there were so many talks in
80 many places. il was such habit
with them 70 discuss such things. that
now he could not remember Just where
o. when any particular talk took place
AT day Richardson fought to get
exact information on such points snc
ell day Orchard refused 70 pin himself
down. Special effort was made TO
have definitely settled the dates ano
places Of talks that Orchard said he
lad had with Haywood and Pettioone
sn Denver Haywood was much inter
ested in such efforts and several times
whispered 10 Richardson suggestions
for questions.
Richardson also tried again TO get
Orchard 10 admit that there must have
been persons about the headquarters
who heard the talks that he described
Orchard would not have il that way.
we were always alone when we
talked about such things" he said
That brought Richardson back 70 an
other point on which he has striven
70 gain sor1ething from Orchard, the
way in which such things were talked
about by men who had never met be-
fore the conversations took place.
You were not careful about the men
you talked murder tor be oueried.
4 never talked TO them without they
lad been recommended TO me by some
one knew Orchard replied.
But you did talk murder TO COM
pIete strangers" asked Richardson.
If some one that ! knew had recon-
mended them" answered the imper-
turbable witness
HAYWOOD II INTERESTED
Didn't you talk that way before the
peace committee" Cthe committee that
went from Denver 10 Cripple Creek TO
try 20 settle the strike)-
They weren't that kind Of men," re-
sponeed Orchard. with q tired air. as II
the questions were utterly foolish.
Haywood was more than usually in
terested ia the cross examination to-
day and several times made sugges-
tions 10 Richardson on which questions
were Immediately based. One OF the
tips had TO do with the actions Of Or
chard after the killing OF Lyte Greg
ory. Richardson had been going over
the details OF that murder for some
tiIae when Haywood whispered 10 him.
Al once ne said TO Orchard:
Didn't you 90 10 the Adams hotel
after that killing and climb out OF
window and drop 70 the ground%
No" said Orchard. after burying
the guns 10 Pettibone's backyard /
went straight home"
II did not appear what had suggested
that question TO Haywood, whether u
was personal knowledge or frameup
from some friend
Always when questions were being
asked on his suggestion. Haywood SAL
boring into Orchard with steady, un-
wavering stare as II trying TO transfix
him. There have been few times so
far when Haywood could meet Or
chard's glance comfortably, and on al
most all Of the numerous times when
their eyes have met Baywood's have
been the ones that changed direction.
But today he was feeling better. He
did not OUTAGE the man who was
swearing his life away. but he did not
finch before Orchards gaze as at other
times. To Orchard II has never seemed
10 make the least difference whether
he looked at Haywood, Richardson or
any one else. He faced what was be-
fore him with the same gaze, just as he
wheeled in his chair and faced Easter
ly and Barnes the other day. knowing
perfectly well that they were there 10
swear that all that he bad said about
them was a lie.
HAYWOOD THE EMPLOYER
II was while endesvo-ing TO fix the
dates and places where Orchard had
received money from Haywood that
Richardson brought out strong re-
. glrmation OF Haywood's connection
with the FIRST crimes that Orchard COM
mitted ia the Cripple Creek district.
The witness had told OF receiving sew
erai sums at Denver, and Richardson
said
Up to that time you had never done
any work directly for Haywood?"
4 had done work that Haywood had
paid me for" replied Orchard.
But those were crimes that you had
committed at the instigation OF other
menZ"
Yes: and Haywood paid me for
them" said Orchard.
This examination about the money
that Orchard had received also brought
out matter which Richardson did not
pursue. but which the prosecution will
develop on redirect examination. Or
chard said that he got SIS in cash in
lJfMNtI Wntu IE NtItA AutTt 70 BO Win
Meyer down 10 Ouray. The heretofore
connection OF Orchard with
Scott. the railroad detective, was
neglected then and Richardson dweIt
on the fact that Orchard went to Ouray
simply as a guard for Meyer. to pre-
vent his being beaten up by the mine
owners hired thugs.
That's ali you talked about, wasn't
Il ." he asked.
1T was at that time" replied Or
chard. The other things were talked
about when we got there
DIDN'T PLAN CRIMES
Richardson manifested no curiosity
about those "other things" and went |
on about the money and the arrange
ment 10 have IL furnished to Orchard |
through Pettibone. The association with |
with Orchard was getting too close for |
Haywood apparently. and IL was no |
longer wise TO have the murder ma |
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