The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1907-04-03

show that Mr.. Hartman did not have
IN his mind any idea of my asking him
to collect any money, and that, on the
contrary, what he was concerned in was
his connection with my letter TO him
was the allusop I made to the fact that
my message, and discuss certain Govern
mcnU matters not connected with the
campaign. His letter, which is of Nov
ember !, runs:
What Hartman Said.
:" Dear Mr.. PRESIDENT have had
n telephone talk with Mr. Loeb, and
requested him to give YOU message
from me. | drew his attention to the
last paragraph of your letter TO me, of
October II last, and explained that, of
course, | did not want to make n trip
TO Washington unless it should be nee
essary, that the only matter / knew
of, which / had any apprehension and
which might be referred 10 in your com
ing message to Congress, is that regard
/ ing interstate commerce, and what the
attitude of the railroads should be to-
ward it.
/ have communications from many
conservative men In the West, asking
me to take the matter up, they have in
J ltl lIdJlbu as W WIl1J Nou DItDpst w
| say IN your message on that subject, and
| am very apprehensive about it.
- Mr.. Loeb stated he believed that
| that part of the message could be sent
] to me, and | hope he will do so, ! sim
cercly believe it would be best for all
| interests that no reference be made TO
the subject and in any event if referred
to In such n way as not 10 bring about
increased agitation. 1t is,as you well
k-pp bo p1nn,nnt and tho
one on which we all rely, which is the
most seldom heard from,
"ThiS letter to me was crossed by
one from which reads as follows:
Admits Interest in New York.
g. Strictly personal
90 November 80, 1904. Ny Dear Mr.
Harriman-Mr. Loeb tells me that you
called me today on the phone, and re-
called my letter to you of October 14,
in which / spoke to you of desire to
see you before sending in my message,
as | wanted to go over with you
certain matters, and YOU added that
you heard that had referred to the In
terstate Commerce commission; that
you regretted this and wished | had
left it out, In writing to you, | had
to view certain matters connected with
currency legislation, and had not
thought OF discussing railroad matters
with you. However, if it had occurred
to me, | should have been delighted
to do so, but if you remember when
You were down here, both you and [
were so interested in certain of the New
York political developments that ] hard.
ly, if at all, touched on governmental
matters AS in regards to what / had
said In my message about the Interstate
Commerce commission, while / say [
should have been delighted to go over
it with you, / also must frankly say
that my mind was definitely made up.
Certain revelations connected with the
investigation of the beef trust caused
me to write the paragraph in question
| went with extreme care over the IN
formation in possession of the Interstate
Commerce commission before writing IT..
then went over the written
paragraph again and again with
Paul Morton, who is, of all my
cabinet, the man most familiar with
railroad matters, of course, and
with Root, Knox, Taft and Moody, II
is a matter | had been carefully con-
siderine for two years. and had gradu
ally como TO the conclusion that 1t is
unwise and unsafe for mo to leave the
question of rebates where it is now, and
TO fail to give the Interstate Commerce
commission additional power of an eff
fective kind in regulating these rates.
Talked Mostly of New York.
"'Let me repeat that | did not have
this question in mind when | asked you
to come down, but that / should most
gladly have talked il over with you if 1T
had occurred to me TO do so, but as mat
ter of fact, when you did come down TO
see me. you and I were both so engaged
in the New York political situation that
we talked of little else, and finally, that
the position ! have taken has not been
taken lightly, but after thinking over
the matter and looking at 1t from diff
ferent standpoints for at least two
years, and after the most careful con-
sultation with Morton, Taft, Moody,
Knox, and Root, as to the exact phrase
ology ] should use.
F'I do not send You copy simply
because they have given no one copy,
not even the mon above mentioned. 1t is
impossible, il ] give out copies of any
portion of my message, to prevent the
message from being known in advance.
and the three press associations. who
have now the message, are under q
heavy penalty not to disclose word of
it before the appointed time.
following letter on The same subject:
:" December 2, 1904. Dear Mr.
President: Thank YOU for your favor
of the 30th.
1T was natural for me to suppose
that railroad matters would be includ'
ed in any discussion you and | might
have before writing your message.
am of the opinion that an effective
interstate commerce commission could
regulate the matter Of rebates and alb
solutelv prevent the same. without any
additional power of any kind, and as
you say. Paul Morton is more familiar