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New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
HoNoRs FOR soWDoIN.
From The Kennebec Journal.

A very high compliment was paid the Bowdoin
Medical School at the recent meeting of the Ameri-
can Medical Association, when it rated as one
of the five leading schools OF the country This
ranking is based upon the percentage of those who
failed pass the examination required in yari-
states before they are admitted to practise.
The Bowdoip Medical School had very low per-
centage, and ranked accordingly. The asSocia-
ton inspected the school and found everything
satisfactory This Is one of the greatest honors
that has been conferred upon this Institution for
time. The others ranked in the first group
are Johns Hopkins Harvard, Yale and Tufts
Maine people generally may well be gratifed at
this honor paid the old Brunswick institution whose
rank is thus maintained a pat with that OF the
college with which it is connected.
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

A PhiIadelphia Judge presiding over juvenile
court has handed down the following advice TO
a meeting of Pennsylvania papas: Let your
bows make racket around the mousse me
prime necessity is to put them at tnelr ease d.
home If necessary, go without fine furniture
until your boys have grown up Ph1iaoelpn'A
boys must be a queer lot if they nave u w
.'put at ease" in their own homes ofuihei'
bows do this for themselves autonatlcaly' INC
Judges suggestion about furniture however -
peculiarly happy at this Juncture. "Rh az
era of retrenchment confronting many prouu
housewives how fortunate it is to nave hlsn'S
intellectual excuse for selling the plano ana Tue
Bokhara rugs, The judges advice shoolo sa
countless souls from the humiliation OF aoiiii'
ting that the financial stringency forceo 'ho"'
to eat off plain deal tables. Children are so'''o
times great blessing
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
THE HUGHES IDEA.
,e Baltimore Sun (Dem.) }.


This action of Governor Hughes will doubtless
give rise to protracted political contest and a
long litigation in the New York courts, where it
seems that the duration of is limited only
by the sum of money at the disposal Of the liti-
sants But the action Of the Governor Is some
thing so unusual in the affairs of government in
this country to attract general attention. 1t
seems TO be his idea that public officials, even
those elected and reelected by the people. should
perform the duties of the Office to which they
chosen. In every department Of government. and
especially in the business transactions of city
government official head should he held
responsible and If that official does not perform
his duties properly he should be removed. II Gov
ernor Hughes's idea put into practice In all
the cities Of the land II would work revolution.
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

Appleton. Wis. Dec. 13.-The will of Judge
George Baldwin was made public to-day and ex-
cept for a bequest of $25 900 to a cousin and her
four daughters in Vermont, the entire estate esti-
mated at $5.0o0.o0o is left In for ten years
to the widow, Mrs. Catherine Nj. Baldwin and two
sons George r. and Charles Baldwin At the ex-
piraton of ten years the is to be divided
share and share alike among the three
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
WESLEYAN WINS DEBATE.
[By Telegraph to The Tribune.]

[By Telegraph TO The Troune]
M,ddletown. Conn. Dec. 1S.-Wesleyan won the
eighth annual debate with Williams here tonight.
the judges upholding the arguments of the Wes-
Ieyan debaters. The subject was: Resolved. That
Revaluaton by the Federal Government of Rail-
way Property Used in the Interstate Commerce Is
Desirable and Expedent." Wesleyan had the af
hrmative, and represented by Raymond SEQ
field Curtice, of South Norwak, Conn. and Arthur
Gerald Power. of Middletown- The Williams de-
baters were Carroll Evarts Robb. of Richmond
Hill. N. Y, and John Kenneth Byrad. of Fly
V
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
MIR. RoOsEvELTs STATEMENT.

THE RIGHT THING AT THE RIGHT TINE
| From The Philadelphia North American
| Once Roosevelt has exempli1ed his old habit
OF doing the right thing at the rlsnt time.
STRENGTHENS THE PARTY.
From The Baltimore Sun
| doubt to strengthen the Republican party, If il
| nonlinates strong candidate.
| A PATRIOT OF SOUND COMMON SENSE
From The Utica Press
One of the very good syde1css g indeed o, grG0G.
sense and with appreciation of the propreties ~
! that he makes this decision emphatic
THE LAST NAIL IN THE COFFIN.
From The Springfield Republican
The Presidents reiteration Of his election night
genuine utterance. The words. Il nave not changed
will drive the last nail into The third term folly
AND NOW FOR HUGHES"
From The oswego Times
And now for Hughes long pull strong pul.
anS Winning a gg 59T Hgss @ as EST Is or ss nqs a.
eogs ends as the sTsss sSempiar IN no0e
cLINcHEp 80
From The Syracuse Herald -G
which IS couched in Language e. as free from an
bgufIy it is terse and pointed, changes the pc
sistent and noisy school OF gosstps and removes -
uncertainty TO his Intentions
CRITICISM SILENCED-
From The Washington Star.
The President has done exactly ths right thfrs
N making last nights snnouncsnent sas5vsd re ass
of his sincerity and steadfastness OF purpose S1s
will stand for his place in history upon ne So
and will suffer the loss OF prestige which wouo
naturally result from any yielding on nis part "
the third term" temptation
STRAIGHT BETWEEN THE EYES
From, The Hartford Courant
This week the country hears again from Tnsc-
dore Roosevelt direct. He reminds II or ais -
nouncenlent three years ago, quoting tns tSnsu.eS
hsn ePloysa P so nav, nave no1 Enan3a hs @ says Tnsrs
the malignant traducerS and fool friends SOL
straight between the eyes. why doesn't ne So.
outg of them asking. He naS spoA@~
out.
"A NATIONAL DISGRACE
From The New York Press.
1t takes incomparaby low order or cTeesuess
to believe that the President Of the United s0xsdc
the United States and could then purpose or Ss
break IL. Those who have sought 70 put -
stigma of faisehood and betrayal on me sai snioy
stracy a national disgrace. Let tnsLn ,srkiy
the public contempt which they nave 50 iies
earned and cannot escape
ENEMIES MUST FIND NEW EXCUSE
From The Washington Post
leans that President of the United S.alos n
man of his word. but under the circuraS ~ scs-
was best that the President should SPEAK lne ssnd
sip attributing 10 him motives OF tIss ene-
acts of selfish purpose must now cease. H.sscsne Hs
mics find other excuse Iol
him. that he has made 1t dou5ly ciss1 .ome Of
Is not seeking third term IncfdentAiLys s.sostfop
his critics left in most emoarrassans
by his blunt and unexpected statement
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
AokI TO SAIL JANUARY z.

Washington, Dec. 1a-viscount Aoki. tbs jap
anese Ambassador. who has been summoned home
by his government for consuta ton regarding con-
ditions the United States affecting Japanese.
is preparing to get away from Washington by the
last of the month. II possible, he Will catch the
Japanese steamer which leaves Seattle on January
I. The ambassador will be accompanied by the
viscountess Aoki and by Mr.. Twakoshi. the chan
celior q the embassy.
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
NEW WESTERN UNIVERSITY HOME.

tBy Telegraph to The Tribune
Pittsburg. Dec. E3-The trustees of the western
University Of Pennsylvania bought forty-three
acres of ground to-day in the Schenley Farms
property, opposite the Carnegie Institute. 1t is
said the price was more than million dollars.
Work Will be begun at once on the erection OF
group of ten buildings in which the university will
be housed when completed.
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
MRS. L0NGWORTH RECOVERING.
Condition of the Presidents Daughter Re-
ported as Satisfactory.

Washington, Dec. 13-Surgeon General Rixey.
who of the physicians attending the
operation for appendicitis performed yesterday
upon Mrs. Nicholas Longworth. daughter Of the
President. said to-day that she was in excellent
condition. The following bulletin issued
at the White House at 40 o'clock tonight
Mrs. Longworth had very good day. She is
progressing rapidly and her condition is entirely
satisfactory
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
ENEMIES MUST FIND NEW Z
EMPRESS OUT OF DANGER.

st. Petersburg. Dec. 13.-Ths Empress OK 80
Is considerably better to-day, and the couf. -
clans consider that there Is not the sIisnea -
for alarm They expect steady improvement
the strength of the patient has been 80 seve
sapped by her illness and previous dietins .ns'
will not be entirely convalescent for mon"
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
SAVING TIME IN THE BARRIERS CHAIR.

New York correspondence Pittsburg Dispatch
The busy will not have to waste much time
getting spruced up in the barber chair these days
One Of the Innovations Of a tonsoriaI parIor here
is the Individual telephone, which is attached to
each chair. The man who Is pressed for time
lie In the chair and dictate a letter to his
while the atelier artist is moving off
the alfalfa, the bootblack is performing on his
shoes and the nnancurist is taking estate
off his hands. Some ought to como along now
with tabloid breakfast food to complete the ton
serial outfit
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
FAREWELL LUNCHEON IN LoNno'

London, Dec. Is.-rhe executive conasni''s sS-s~en
vilgrims' Society Of London gave .,,rr
luncheon to-day for Stephen Gamoriii' ~ ~
of the society," who is returning to baitin~ ,r.-
arcb,,sacon Of London made a speech and p
sented some silverwsxe to Mr.. Ganorii on
che COMMITTEES
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

At an auction in York, Penn, yesterday
Buff Orpington hen was sold for 5000. This
price was evidently computed on the basis of
current market reports about the value OF
strictly fresh eggs The time has when
the small investor will buy pulet instead of a
government bond and eggshells will displace
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

THE PHILADELPHIA
Mr.. and Mrs. J. W, Carrel.
Mr.. and Mrs. Richard Har-
ding Davis.
Mis-. w. l.. jackson.
THE LUSITANIA,
Mr.. and Mrs. David W.
Barrow.
Mr.. and Mrs. f. n. Beck
EFT.
M. and Mrs. ". E. Bry-
Charles W. Busk.
Mr. and Mrs Henry c. Glib
bon
Mr.. and Mrs. W. B. clifford.
Robert n. Winthrop.
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

The report that the intercollegiate Athle',.
Association at it's convention this month VIII
take vigorous action against summer oaSepd'
need not set the fans worrying over ''
thought that they may some day De aoii'i''
n tho Polo Grounds beachers only durihs INC
winter. In academic parlance. summer oaseoa'
means professional playing by college aiiia
,e,rsr, during vacation; it also means 'he MUS
nrevaIent and intractable evil now a'ii''s
college athletics If the ASSOCIATION de'0
-,;obes its task it may well fatter ltSeh-
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
Nesp11nrk Dailu Grtbnatk
SATURDAY, DECEMBER Il, 1907.

This newspaper is ol0ned and puohshed ov
The Tribune Association, AeW YORK corpora
tion; Office and principal place OF business, Ifto-
enc Ruildiag, No. 154 Nassau street, Aeao fofk'
ogden Mills, president; NGthdniet Iuthe' sec-
~e,c,, o,d treasurer The address of the Off
oers is the office of this newspaper
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
CHINA TEAPOT SELLS FOR $4,000.

London, Dec. IA small Bristol china teapot
presented to Edmund Burke by the founder of the
Bristol Factory. at auction here to-day brought
the remarkable price of se,l0o
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
RE,cHsTAG ADJOURNED.

Berlin, Dec lS.-The Reichstag adjourned to-day
for the Christmas recess. It will reopen on Janu-
ary 8.
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

Chcaso's bathtubs did not appeal tn the Dein-
ocratic National Committee compared Win
Denver's tubs Of gold. Cleanliness may oe
next to godliness. but you can't finance ca"'-
naign on il.
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

FOR SOUTHAMPTON
Mr.. and Mrs. A. l.. Pearce.
Mrs. II. z. Tisda.e.
Calvin f. Smith.
FOR LIVERPOOL.
Mr.. and Mrs. A. r. W.
Haywood.
Mr.. and Mrs. J. r. Hither-
say.
Mr. and Mrs j. A. Morton
Lady Victoria Murray.
Mrs. James Macarthur Moir.
Mr.. and Mrs. Frank s. Tag
CART
@. Vernon Wills.
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

Mrs. Robert ". de Forest gave a reception yes
terday afternoon for Mrs Allan Whitman. her
daughter. Dinners were given last night by Mrs
Winthrop Burr for Miss Rosamond Burr and by
Mr.. and Mrs. Henry C1ews-
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
About People and Soc1aI incidents.
NEW YORK SOCIETY.

Henry r. Sloane gave dance for his daur.,..
Miss Emily E Sloane. of the winters 80
tantes. in Sherry's last night. II was the I,r.
private dance Of the season and about four -
dred guests were present. The large and -
bathrooms were used the former. for the da,.s
being decorated with baskets of pink roses -
were arranged on the walls at intervals ~
Sloane was unable to be present as he fs s,s
ing from cold. but his daughter Mrs vv,rs
Earl Dodge. and his sister-in-law Mrs vv,r,
Douglas Sloane. received with Miss Sloan. -
latter wore a frock of white silk ernbrofderas 81
silver, and Mrs Dodge was in white ernb-oiS....
chiffon Miss Sloane. Mrs. Dodge and Mrs w -
Sloane received the guests in the hall at the -
trance to the large ballroom AS many carna e.
the opera. they were late in arriving and II ~
after II before the dancing under wav Th;
was general until midnight. when supper ,
served at small tables on the floor below In ~
small ballroom The cotilIon began at o-cs
and was led by PhGnix Ingrahan, dancing 49,.
Miss Sloane from one end of the room ana ~
Harry Pelham Robbins from the opposite ga
with Mrs. William Earl Dodge The favors Cow
sisted of butterflies wands for the woman -,
boutonnieres for the men, silk bags and vaistco..
buttons. sachets and bamboo canes After ~
coullon there was a second supper. also served A.
the small ballroom downstairs at little taht.
Among those present We're:
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

The marriage OF Miss Edith Greene 10 Charles
Allen Iindley will take place on February IN
Grace Church Miss Greene is the daughter Of
General and Mrs. Francis Vinton Greene
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

nearls in the necklaces that now gleam in the
boxes at the opera
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

What would be the color of the red light"
district on q blue" Sunday?
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

Mr.. and Mrs. .. B. Alex
ander.
Mr. and Mrs John F. Alex
andre.
Colonel and Mrs. John
Jacob AStOT.
Mr. and Mrs. Edmund L.
BayIies-
Mr.. and Mrs. L J. Ber-
wind
Mr.. and Mrs. Heber Regi-
maid Bishop.
Mr.. and Mrs. r. Fulton
Cutting.
Mr. and Mrs. f. Gray Girls
w0I6
Sir. and Mrs. Oliver Harri-
man
Mr.. and Mrs. E. II. Harr1-
man.
Mr. and Mrs. Peter Cooper
Hewitt.
Mr. and Mrs Arthur Iselin-
Mr. and Mrs Theodore
Douglas Robinson
Mr.. and Mrs. Franklin De-
lano Roosevelt.
Mr.. and Mrs. W. d. Sloane.
Mr. and Mrs James A
Stillman.
Mr. and Mrs. Paul Tucker
man
Mr. and Mrs. Frederick W.
Whitridge.
Mr.. and Mrs- Henry Rogers
Winthrop.
Miss Harriet Alexander.
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

Miss Helen L Alexanar.
Miss Caroline A Drayton
Miss Mary Hartman
Miss Louise Iselin.
Hiss Anzonella KANE
Miss Starr Miller.
Miss Corinne Douglas R,,u
inson-
Miss Gladys Roosevelt
Miss Lucy MaTgaret Roo.,.
welt.
Miss Dorothy Tuckerman
MISS Emily WelleS.
Miss Jean hitridzs
William Sloane Coffin
o. De Lsncey Coster.
Robert Bayard Cutting
j. Coleman Drayton.
Hamilton Fish. jr.
Robert Goelet
,O'Donnell IseIir.
.De Lancey h Jay.
Ogden l. Mills.
Monson Morris.
Moses Taylor Pyne. 1r
Monroe Douglas Robinson
Stewart Douglas RobinSon
John Sloane.
Malcolm .. Sloane.
w Rhinelander Stewart
W. r. Stewart, II.
William r Whitehouse. tr.
Worthington Whitehousa
" Orme Wilson, jr.
Thornton Wilson
Eserton L Winthrop. 2
Lanier Winslow.
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
THE TALK or THE DAY

1-.i,a-eit,, has announced that a course IN
49,. thaorv design and construction OF saihns
Yachts will be given to graduates ana seniois - -.
the winter and spring terms of this year
nreparatory subjects required are mechanica w
ing, descriptive geometry and 1nechanlcs' " "
Crosby Marshall, assistant professor OF drawing III
49, Scientific School will conduct the new course.
Tho course is an innovation at Yale, which, as 1ar
as Is known is the first university to offer such IN
struction.
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

Miss Sarah Livingston. daughter OF Mrs Herman
T. Livingston. will be married in the chantry Of
Grace Church to-day to DR.. George Herbert Will
Jams. OF Fishkil. youngest OF the late Vicar
of Christchurch England.
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
TRANSATLANTIC TRAVELLERS.

Among the passengers who will sail to-day for
Europe
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

Receptions will be given to-day by Mrs Cass Gil
bert, Mrs James A Glover and Mrs. Henry q
Glover, all OF whom will introduce daughters j.
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

The engagement has just been announced OF M,~
Julia Kean Fish, daughter of Hamilton Fish "a
William Lawrence Breese, OF Mrs. Henry Yin,
cent Higgins of London. by her first marriage
Miss Fish is niece of Stuyvesant Fish Mr.
Breese is nephew of James Lawrence Breese Of
this city, and Of Mrs Adam Gordon Norrfe of
Tuxedo. One OF his sisters married Lord Will
oughby d'Eresby. and another Lord AIastair Innes-
Ker. brother of the Duke OF Roxburghe- Mr.
Breese makes his home in London He was born
in this country, however. and has mining interests
in Alaska.
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14

..x-o, seen, to find that book very Interesting
..voe. 5t,s delightful I've glanced at the emu,
~, and the hero and heroine don't get marrleo
,f9er all ILLUSTRATED Bits
New-York tribune., 1907-12-14
From The Washington Star.
"A NATIONAL DISGRACE"

1t takes incomparably low order or creeeesue.ss
to believe that the President OF the United n1sdo
would make such pledge Mr.. Rooseveit n1-s nsss
TO the United States and could then purpose or ,Ss
break IL. Those who have sought 70 put -
istracy national disgrace Let tnem sEfx SnEEJfy
the public contempt which they have SO HS''s
earned and cannot escape
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today. The idea is splendid one
and if worked out properly and hon
estly would without doubt result in the
ultimate return of many extra dol
lars in profit to the poultry producers
of the Northwest. 1t Is impossible,
however, no matter how good plan
may be- to do business with scoun-
drel at the head of it. There is abso-
lutely nothing wrong with the Poultry
Producers Union as an economic idea,
but in order for any business to -four
ish it must be operated and run in n
straightforward, manly and honest
way
The purchase of 1884 worth of feed
to be used for the Union, but which
was never so used. but which was sent
to Alaska, is an evidence of crooked
ness, inasmuch as we could find no
entry on the books to show why the
feed was ever bought, and having been
bought, why it was sold, and having
been sold, where the money went.
So too, for the manager of such a
business, presumed to be carried on
in the interest of the farmer, to pub
licitly boast that he has made $3.50
on the side," and evidently dishonest
ly, inasmuch as such a man is actual
ly in the position of being manager for
the farmers and stockholders, and this
is essentially a position Of trust like
that of banker or any other agent.
It is fiduciary in its character. Farm
ers and business men generally ought
to be more careful as to the charac-
ter of men they do business with. For
myself, do not feel so badly about
it since I came down here and found
out how many Of the city folk had
been roped in by his little game.
Were it not for the producers of the
Northwest today this section would be
in the grasp of most disastrous
panic 1t is the wheat on the sidings
of Eastern Washington the apples and
fruit in the storage houses in Eastern
Washington, the hay and oats and
grain produced in Western Washing
ton, the actual food stuffs which hui
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paper, and so I shall have to make the
best of it, because the contents OF the
Ranch are so interesting and instruct
i've that I read and reread each copy
till the next arrives. The article "The
Snohomish Co. Idea," by Messrs. Pratt
and Johnston is a daisy; it hits the
nail squarely on the head. Every word
of it is true, and the way they propose
to clear the land is the only practical
way. One man single handed is bound
to give up in disgust or degenerate
into a half-Siwash, satisfied with
bellyful of spuds and slice of bacon.
But the next question is: Can you
make a number of settlers work to
gether in the way proposed by Messrs.
Pratt and Johnston? I have my grave
doubts. The American farmer, unlike
his Danish or German brother, unlike
to have for a motto every man for
himself, and the Devil take the hind
most" In most cases Old Nick is not
satisfied with the hindmost, but takes
several more of the procession. Sue
cess to The Ranch. Your faithful sub
scriber,
ERNEST BURCHARD.
Harmony, Wash, Nov. "a. 1907.
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THE sNOHOMIsH COUNTY IDEA

Editor The Ranch:
Some friend of who lives in Western Washington
was kind enough send to your farm paper issue
of November Is O7 liked it well herewith en-
close money order for so for years subscrlp
tion -
AS I own land in Snohomish county am much inter
esed in the Snohomish idea. in the same conoltoh
as that which mentioned in that article Ii my and was
cleared would there it now but being saarled
man have wait work and until can get enough
ahead to get some cleared. I like Western washington
much better than any other country that have seem
and there large number of Iowa people VINO Will III
yestigate Western Washington during 1908.
I was thinking while reading 'The Snohom1sh county
Idea" why Snohomish county did not put county gang
of donkey engine in to clearing Off the lana anu
allowing the owners pay much per acre for haVng
the land cleared being allowed to pay the county by
additional taxes covering period of years DeIeVe ts
would be fine idea, and would help so many Let the
county nut the the actual cost Not money
making scheme.
What Snohomsh county needs than any other one
thing settlers and this would allow the Iarn
ers to begin actual production Immediately which would
bring large returns quickly. .
IF YOU should think this idea worth discussing would
like to see brought forth and allowed free and open dis
c1sson by the secretary Of the Chamber OF Con-
merce of Everett and by the farming class
I hope may receive your regularly during the
wear 1908. Wishing you happy and prosperous New
Year and large of subscribers remain very
respectfully D. g. RAIHBONE, onehahooal' io"a'
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Mr.. II. L. Blanchard:

Mr.. H. L. Blanchard:
Seeing your name on the staff of
The Ranch officers and also as one
being connected with the Poultry Pro-
ducers' Union, appeal to you to en-
tighten me as to the business methods
of the P. p. u.
1t is now two months since / sent
in money for shares and crates, etc.
received promises a while, but OF
late they never take the trouble to
answer any letters of inquiries More
than five weeks ago Mr.. Wardell wrote
me they were then ready to go after
the business in good shape.
Respectfully, T. N. DALE.
Mt. Vernon, Wash.
BIanchard's Interview.
The Poultry Producers Union should
be in the most flourishing condition
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Editor The Ranch: We have re-
Gently organized Bellingham Poultry
Association with o. L. Giese as presi-
dent and J. T. Clark, secretary. We
will make it an open show, charging
no admission fee, but with small entry
fees for birds and pens. AS regular
prizes we will give cards for first, sec
ond and third, with about sixty specl-
ais from merchants ranging from 30
cents to several dollars.
o. L. GEESE,
Bellingham, Wash.
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Editor The Ranch: The Ranch OF
Nov. Is, has arrived and is a beauty,
all except that horrid, shiny paper 1t
is printed on. But | suppose you nave
rood reasons for using that kind or