Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1907-01-10
Steps to be Taken to Keep Them
Within Jurisdiction of Interstate
Commerce Commission.
NE ExEAT WRlTs TO ISSUE.
Milwaukee Traffic Manager Says
One Management Of Many Roads
Means Less Competition.
kruttschmitt, Mccormick and Monroe
Testify--IIcariug Adjourned to
Jan. II at seattle.

Chicago. Jan. In.--The attorneys VINO
are conducting the investigation into
the management OF the Hartman lines
for the government announced today
that they had Determined to take steps
to prevent Il. II. Hartman, H. c. Frick
and II. Fl. Rogers from ieaving the jur-
isdictlon of the interstate commerce
commission. In order to prevent this.
steps VIII be taken to continue the is
suance of writs of ne eXeat by author
Ivy OF which they will be compelled to
remain within the jurisdiction of the
commission,
Chairman Knapp, at the commence
ment OF today's hearing announced
that the present hearing would adjourn
at noon and Mr.. Kellogg, the govern
ment attorney, declared he would be
able TO get in all desired evidence by |
o'clock.
James II. Hyland. rafflce manager
of the Chicago, Milwaukee q st. Paul.
was the first witness today He said
the Union Pacific and Southern Pacific
were formerly competitors FOR Pacific
coast business
Mir, Hyland was asked if competition
between railroads would still exist if
all the roads in the country were
brought under one management
lie replied that in all probability
competition In such case would re-
solve itself into a question of personal
iiNdtAS uetNStH the separate manage
ments OF the roads. On the whole, he
considered the edge would be taken oft
the competition and Il would not be as
Keen as under individual ownership.
Mr. Hyland declared that since the
consolidation of the Union and South
ern Pacific his road had experienced
rather difficulty in handling certain
classes OF freight
ON cross examination he was asked
by Atty. Milburn ii the consolidation
itself was the cause OF the increase
difficulty. He replied. Yes, sir"
How does It work against your
line?"
The greater part Of the business T.
have mentioned goes by the Southern
Pacific and Is, / presume. DETECTED in
that direction IN order to make ~
longer haul than would be the case ir
it Went by the Union Pacific.
Julius Kruttschmitt followed Mr..
Hyland.
Atty. Kellogg asked Mr.. Kruttschmitt
a long series of questions regarding
his duties. The substance of the ans
wers was that the witness is In charge
of operation of all lines OF the Union
and Southern Pacific system, except
the lines in Texas. Concerning those
lines, he Is frequently consulted by
Mr.. Hartman and President Lovett OF
the Texas lines.
When asked who originated the idea
u placing one director III charge OF
operation of all Hartman lines except
the Texas roads the witness said he
presumed Mr. Hartman.
r. o. Mccormick in charge Of passen-
ger traffic on the Southern Pacific and
Union Pacific. was the third witness.
He was questioned along the same
lines regarding passenger traffic as Mr..
kruttschnitt had been concerning OPP
Grafton.
An attempt was made to show by Mr..
Mccormick that the advertising of tho
system was IN the hands OF one man
but he declared that the traffic man
ager of each line manages his own adj
vertising. subject TO the approval Of
Traffic Director Stubs.
j. a. Monroe, freight traffic mana
ger OF the Union Pacific was called
The questions answered by him were
along the lines OF those put 10 Messrs.
Kruttschnitt ana Mccormick.
on cross examination Mr.. Munroe de-
clared that IN all essentials the freight
conditions between the Union Pacific
and Southern Pacific have not been
altered by the consolidation OF The two
lines. He asserted that while connect
ed with the Union Pacific prior TO the
consolidation he had never considered
the san Francisco route via Portland
and the sea as in any degree compar-
able for efficient service, 10 the route
via Ogden and the Southern Pacific.
He was asked II the Portland route
could be utilized by the Union Pacific
Ia offensive operations TO offset unjust
rates by the So-thern Pacific from Og-
den To the Pacific coast lie said It
was a minimum value IN such a COLI
tiugency
Competitive conditions between tho
Southern and Union Pacific has existed
before the consolidation and still exist.
But sud MI. Severance. "Mr.
Stubbs said yesterday that there had
never been competition between them.
DO you differ nom Mr.. Stubbs?"
- think there is competition now
Mr.. Munroc declared that he did not
consider the Illinois Central Southern
Pacific route Via New Orleans to SAN
Francisco as @ competitor OF the Union
Pacific Southern Pacific line via Ogdcn
He did, however recognize as a strong
the lines connecting with
the Southern Pacific at IN Paso
Al the conclusion of Mr. Munroe's
evidence the hearing was adjourned
until Jan. ~, al Seattle.
u. :. ATTORNEY RETICENT.
New York. Jan. lO.--U. :. DIST. Atty.
who Win have direction OF tho
proceedings here In behalf OF the in
torstate commerce commission would
not say today whether Or not writs or
warrants of no cXeat 10 prevent T.. H.
Hartman. II G. INrick, II. II. Rogers
and possibly VIM, kockefeller. from
leaving the country have been issued.
The fact cannot be Officially an-
nounccd" he sahl. until the warrants
have been served aud become q matter
OF public record"
James Stillman, who had been NELL
toned during the interstate commerce
commissions sessions IN this city and
who was expected Ia be witness
sailed for Europe on Tuesday, on ac-
Count ag WAS announced OF ill-health
Messrs. Rogers, Hartman and Frick
were each shown the dispatch from
Chicago Announcing that counsel for
the government has asked for wrlts OF
ne oxeat 10 prevent Them from leaving
The country Each asserted they had