Albuquerque morning journal. [volume] (Albuquerque, N.M.) 1903-1926, 1907-01-09
Santa Fe President Declares
No Agreement Regarding
Rates Exists Between His
Lines and Southern Pacific.
COMMERCE COMMISSION
PROBES CATTLE RATES
Witness Testifies Railroads
Now Give Poorer Service
and Charge More Than
Formerly,
rav Morning journal Special Leased wire.

IBy Morning journal Special Leased wire.l
Chicago, Jan. S.--The inquiry of the
interstate commerce commission into
the management and methods of the
Hartman railroads begun in New
York, was resumed here today.
The commission was occupied most
of the day with evidence relating to
rates on cattle from Texas points, ana
il was not until late in the afternoon
that the Hartman roads were
brought before the board
Only one witness was examined
President Ripley of the Santa re
railroad.
Mr.. Ripleys testimony did not
bring out any startling Information
He declared he did not know until ne
had read it last week in the papers
that the Union Pacific was the hofder
of nearly $10,000,00O OF santa re
stock. He asserted that when APP
preached by representatives OF TINS
stock for the right to name members
of the Santa Fe directory he refused
to consider the proposition until IL was
distinctly understood that the diree-
tors to be named were not officers OF
the Union Pacific or of any other
line competitive with the Santa re
The directors named were ii. II. hor
gers and Henry G. Frick, bolh ol
WnOm We're QlltNlDIN VI AtiN cAAsDt-
Pacific at the time of their election
to the Santa Fe directorate. President
Rinley testified that their connection
with tine Onion Pacific had IN no way
impaired their usefulness to the santa
Fe.
President Ripley was examined and
cross ss-eXamined' at considerable length
as to whether the Southern Pacific ana
the Union Pacific We're competitors OF
each other enc the Santa re Inc
substance of his testimony was that
while competitors in some things, they
were not so on all classes of tratHc nor
from all parts of the country.
Kellogg, acting for the commission.
Did you know Mr. Ripley that
the Union Pacific owns $lO,OOO,OOo
of stock i'm the Santa Fe
II did not know it until l saw It in
the press dispatches from New YORK
last week"
when did you hear of desire on |
the mart Of the Union Pacific people
to be represented in the directorate
of the Santa Fe?''
Some time ago certain parties in |
New York intimated a desire to rep
resent certain holdings Of stock in our |
directory and | said that it would
be agreeable to allow them to be DIR
ectors. provided they were not OH
GERS Oh COnlpttlliS lilitS'
why did you object to the OIL
GERS of competing lines?'
II did not consider it desirable to |
have them on the board.
How much of the stock of the |
Santa Fe did they hold?"
about one-seventh or one-eighth.
who did they ask to have !
n. H. Rogers and Henry c.
Frick."
You understood those were dir
ectors of the Union Pacific?'
Certainly l did
The witness said that he had no
personal knowledge whatever OF the
acquisition OF Santa Fe stock by the
Union Pacific.
Has the Santa Fe any agreement !
with either the Union or Southern
Pacific for maintaining certain rates
or is there any pooling between
you?"
There is no pool or agreement re-
garding rates"
Mr.. Kellogg by a series of questions
brought out from the witness tnHe
the Southern Pacific and Union Pa
cific were natural competitors FOR
much tariff between the east and the
Pacific coast. He asked President
Ripley If these two lines did not
maintain equal rates and the witness
replied
Il am not prepared to say.
Commissioner Harlan asked;
Mr.. Ripley, have you any lde.l
what stock it was that No'eu i"i
Messrs. Frick and Rogers
Practically all OF II. -,
President Ripley was crosscNamiheu
by John d Milburn, attorney LOT lns
Union Pacific. He asked tirst
Messrs. Rogers and Frick had ever
while acting as directors of the santa
Fe discovered any desire to inJufe II
in favor of the Union Pacifc
NO. they are good directors. -
Before the combination o. ts,
Union Pacific and Southern Pacihc
were those roads competitors Of the
Santa Feg' asked ComInissloiiei
Prouty.
No more than at present
You said YOU would admit rep
rcsentative Of MT Hartman as a AZ
rector. bur would object 10 an ofncet
of the Union Pacific serving m tn"'
capacity what is the difference
n did NOT say that replied fiesi
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ihe election as = director 0f ~ -iffcef
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