The Birmingham age-herald. [volume] (Birmingham, Ala.) 1902-1950, 1907-03-07

say?"
Yes"
"And he was declared insane?'
Yes, and sent to Matteawan, but he
was afterward released as sane. He Went
to New Jersey, opened a brokerage office
and was entrusted with large sums of
money"
"That is ALL" said Mr. jerome, and
| this time the eross-examination was really
ended,
Cross-Examination Ends.
Mr. Delmas asked but one question on
the redirect examination.
Doctor. after this long -examina-
ton, do you desire in any way to change
your statement. that in your opinion
| this defendant. when he shot Stanford
White. did not know that his act was
wrong?"
Not in any way" answered Dr. Wag-
| ner.
'"Tha. is all" said Mr.. Delmas.
| What do you mean by wrong asked
! Mr.. Jerome, on re-cross-eXamination.
! Il mean that his mental condition was
! such that he did not realize that he was
| committing a crime or that he was liable
| to punishment for what he was doing.
! one or two questions relative to DR..
! Wasner's testimony in the Preussers'
| case ended the examination. DR..
| Warner was excused and the luncheon
recess was ordered.
Mrs. William Thaw Called.
! Mrs. William Thaw was called to the
| stand Immediately after court assembled
| for the afternoon session. Clerk Penny
/ had called the roll of the jury when
Mr. Delmas whispered to him and then
in loud voice the clerk commanded;
Mrs. William Thaw to the witness
stand
a.. ,-ka,, ,npaorod from, the witness
room a moment later. She was still
dressed in the same black frock in which
she appeared the first day of her son
| trial.
with head erect and veil thrown back
! over her head, she walked to the wilt
ness chair.
She stopped at the corner of the jury
box and the court crier handed her "A
copy of the Bible. Clerk Penny admin
! istered the oath and then as the defend
ants mother took her place in the chair,
| the court crier announced;
| Harriet Copley Thaw.
Harry Thaw was all interest He sat
| facing his mother and seemed extremely
nervous He rested his cheek ON his hand
and then bit his nails.
Mrs Thaw repeated her name in re-
! Spouse to a question by Mr. Delmas'
! speaking in a tone so low as hardly TO
| be heard.
Mrs. Thaw said that in the fall and
| winter of 1903 she was living in Pitts
| burg.
Pennsylvania" asked Mr.. Demas.
Sons Condition Unnatural.
ut is the only Pittsburgh with hnal
III . replied Mrs. Thaw.
Her son Harry came home, she said
on the 18th or 18th of November, day
or two before his brother Josiah's we'd
ding.
"During the time your son Harry was
at home, did you notice anything I'M
natural about his condition. asked Mr.
| Delmas.
IT certainly did" replied Mrs. Thaw.
"Will you please describe what took
place.
THAT day when he first came to the
door there was look Of absent-minded-
ness or His face, despairing look. 1t
| struck me at the time
did an impression of a change in your
son grow on your" asked Mr.. Delmas.
yes; he seemed to have lost all in
terest in everything. His room was next
| to mine often in the night from his
room | heard smothered sobs. Some
times when l was awake late at night
would see light under his door and
often had seen him sitting up at and
4 o'clock i'm the morning.
He told me he could not sleep and
there was no use in going to bed. | am
not of a prying disposition but l asked
him to tell me what the matter was. He
said it was impossible to tell me his
story"
your questions. freely tell you the story?'
Questioned Harry.
He told me freely one night, when
| insisted on it."
Mr. jerome objected to the repetition
of the story until Mr.. Delmas stated
at the time it was told was covered
by the testimony of the alienists as a
period when Thaw was insane.
Mr. Jerome withdrew his objection and
allowed the witness to give the purport
of the conversation.
His trouble was caused by something
wicked man had done in New YORK.
perhaps the wicked man in New YORK,
said Mrs. Thaw. He said 1t had ruined
his life and Ii, never could be happy,
That was all / could get from him FOR
Il week.
Mrs Tbaw. as she told of sons condi-
ton, almost broke down. Her lips qulV'
cred and she covered her mouth with a
handkerchief But her emotion did not
last long and the white-haired woman,
with an apparent effort changed herself.
When she could again speak She said;
Describes Actions.
Harry seemed absorbed as II he was
working with a great problem. lie was
very fond of music and often he Woulu
leave the table and go into the parlof'
Then | would hear loud music on the
piano, which would gradually grow softer
and softer And then he would come BACK
TO the table as if nothing had happened
He did this often. even when there was
company at the table and he was engaged
in the conversation
'"rhe week before Thanksgiving UNI
derstood more. | did not know the sirl
name | did not ask it; | did not want
to know it, but did know that ms con
/, dition had something to do with a young
girl He had told me about the wicked
man in New York, but it was only later
found out that this man had ruined a
young girl
After | found his condition was due
to something which had been done to a
Young girl, | asked him why ne should
allow his life to be ruined. | told him l.
was not his duty to look after the girl,
and tried to influence him in another
direction. But he protested that his IRE
had been ruined. He told me the girl
had the most beautiful mind naturally OF
any person he ever knew. lie told me
this about Thanksgiving time ana II
caused me TO look at matters in new
light.
Harry said the girl had been neglected
by her mother. or that she had no MOTH
err or this thing would not have hap
pened He said there was still chance
for her to be good and so on. cant re-
call all that he said
ION Thanksgiving day, Harry and 4
were alone--the rest of the family We're
all away