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fixed. .,
was the doctor's reply.
@pr' Wagner said the 10Th day." be-
gan Mr.. Jerome.
vi have nothing to do with DR., Wag-
ner's testimony" interrupted DR.. Evans.
IL am not addressing my remarks to
YOU, sir" snapped Mr.. Jerome.
Later In the session DIR. Evans eN-
planned he meant Aug. 49,
ION this visit" said DR.. Evans, 81
found Thaw still nervous, agitated, and
had the peculiar expression OF the eye
familiar with mental diseases.
II also observed his suspicion OF me
and all around him. He still exhibited
delusions of persecution, q condition of
revolt against these fancied persecu-
tons because they were unfair"
EVANS THIRD VISIT.
DIR. Evans next described his third
visit TO Thaw. Sept. 10.
Mr.. Thaw exhibited decisions Of sus-
picion, lack of confidence In his advis-
ers. and an eXplosiveness of mental
makeup characteristic of a person OF
unsound mind"
DR.. Evans said that he reached the
opinion that Thaw was of unsound
mind.
"How long did the third visit last 2"
"Only five minutes"
What else did you observes"
''There were no halluclnations. Mr.
Thaw dismissed the physicians and
had az argument with his counsel
which ! shall not narrate"
Mr.. Demas here interrupted the eX-
animation to read from number of
authorities in support of the conten-
ton advanced by him yesterday that
the statements OF Thaw to the physi-
clans tending to shed light on his
Oh, - M
Justice Fitzgerald said as no ques-
toin was pending he could not rule.
Mr.. Delmas asked DR.. Evans to state
his conversation with the defendant
ON Sept 10. Mr.. Jerome objected.
ATTORNEYS HAVE A TILT.
MIR. Delmas continued TO read from
court decisions as a foundation, he
said. for introducing statements made
by Thaw at the time of the homi-
eide and prior thereto He wanted to
show that the statements of the de-
PENDANT might be taken into consider
alton by an expert in determining the
mental condition of his subject at the
time of an examination, He said that
yesterday witness had not been al
lowed TO give such an opinion.
Mr.. Jerome said he did not object to
any such opinion.
Mr. Delmns asserted that Mr.. Jerome
"has reasoned in q circle on this sub
ject."
Justice Fitzgerald said 1t was a case
of reasoning in CIRCLE as explained
by Mr.. Delmas, but he did not under
stand the facts that way.
Mr. Jerome again declared he would
not object TO an opinion as to whether
the defendant was insane or sane sub
sequent to the shooting, but wished the
question to be distinctly confined to
given period.
',fhe statements made by a man in
prison in his own Defense" said Mr..
Jerome. fare not admissible under any
circumstances. But il they claim that
the man was insane at the time OF the
examination as well as when the act
was committed, then ! am willing that
these conversations shall go in
Justice Fitzgerald sustained Mr.. Je-
ronle's objection, and Mr.. Delmas pro-
ceeded to question DR.. Evans.
Were the oral statements made by
Mr.. Thaw material in the formation OF
your opinion as to his mental condt-
tion?"
yes"
Were the conversations necessary to,
enable an expert to form a. correct judg-
ment as to the defendants rnsntul con-
dition?"
They were not entirely necessary,
but they were highly important"
Now what was 1t Mr.. Thaw said?"
Dist Atty. Jerome objected and was
sustained.
~ will now ask YOU" continued Mr..
Delnlas, III as a result of your eight
examinations you formed an opinion as
to this mans mental state at the time
OF your visits?"
His mental condition Varied
Answer yes or no. as to whether you
formed an opinion?"
Yes
Or. Evans then went on to the next
visit on Sept. 22. DR.. Wagner was also
present.
THAW'S GENERAL ATTITUDE.
I'VE examined his general attitude
his manner of entering the room, man.
her of thought and general department.
He ives still highly nervous and still
suspicious Of every one. He exhibited
the exaggerated ego, the air OF self
Importance and the disposition to di-
rect me rather than be directed by me-"
When did you next see him.
"On Sept. q, when we made a COM
plete physical examination"
DR.. Evans said the next visit was on
Sept. 90
MANY of the previous tests were
repeated. We asked various questions
and the prisoner gave his own answers
matches"
Mr.. jerome objected.
HOW THAw EXPLAINED.
"Mr. Thaw took matches ana tooth
picks and placed them so as to show
positions which may have been clear to
him, but were confusing 10 me. 1 did
not think his explanations were clear
or logical. He was calm. less suspicious
and more confiding,"
The next visit DR.. Evans made was
on Oct. l.
."This time Mr.. Thaw was extremely
cordial and talked to me like BROTH
OF or friend
The eighth visit was on Oct s,
I'VE had protracted interview
with Mr. Thaw in which subject
near TO his heart was discussed. II
lasted two hours" said DR.. Evans.
Under the ruling of the court can
you say anything further regarding
this visit?"
Under the courts examinations there
Is nothing more / can say"
At this point the court took a re-
ps,,, Inn