The San Francisco call., 1907-06-02
Never Helped to Fix Rates

Q-Did the question ever come be-
| fore the board of directors In regard
to fixing rates and employment of at
torneys to look after that? A-No, !
don't think ever mentioned. the partic-
ular subject. Mr.. McEnerney was
elected attorney of the board, I think.
on motion made or resolution passed
that he would act as attorney of the
company. I don't remember the rate
being mentioned except informally ask
ing what the rate would probably be.
Q--Was there ever any discussion
about any allowance of fee. attor-
neys' fee to him or any other person In
connection with the rate? A.-No, don't
remember anything at all.
Q.-Dfd you ever hear that Abraham
Ruef was employed as the attorney?
A--No, never.
Q.-To your knowledge, he never has
been. A.-No.
Q.-Who could expend money of the
company without your knowing 1T?
Al would not know anything about
1T. / just hear the monthly reports, my
particular work there was examining
the transferring of stock when the San
Francisco was bought by the Pacific
gas and electric company. / only heard
monthly reports, nothing about expen-
ditures at all.
Q.-Did you represent any particular
AiltCA CotSs A. lc I1dlScJ inter 6Sl
Q.-You were his represen sative on
the board? A.-Yes, sir.
Q--Did he have any other represen-
tative besides yourself? A-Halsey &
Co.. Pierce, Weeks, only member a short
time, 1 know those were in the Office.
| am attorney in their Office and Taylor
was. one of our attorneys and Pierce
| and sHalsey, l could not tell as to Mar
tin, Drum and those. .
O-Waq maid n
as attorney for the company in any
way for services? A.-Not that know
Of no. 1 didn't hear of any. I think
the Pacific gas. and electric company
pay him an attorneys fee. don't know.
Q--When was that? Al don't
know when that was
Q.-Do you know what connection 1t
was? NO.
Odd it have anything to do with
fixing rates? A.-Oh. no. no. nothing.
IT was Pacific gas and electric in COM
bining of San Francisco gas and the
other. California gas electric corpora
tion. and those New York attorneys
drew up the papers consolidating the
companies is all 1 know
Q.-Did you ever hear of any money
being contributed to a fund for any
purpose? A.-No. I don't hear anything
about the expenditures of the company,
l don't know how much for reconstruc-
tionr don't remember of hearing IT, only
hear monthly reports.
Q--You say parties in New York
drew up the papers Of consolidation?
A.-Yes, sir, the New York attorneys
representing Haisey & Co.
Q--Your particular business was
examining stock? Al did attend to
doing 1t at that time. 1t was in De-
cember, 1905. to examine most of the
stock transfers of the stock that was
purchased for the Pacific Gas deposited
In Union Trust company.
ON transferring stock was any
transfer of stock that you had any
reason to believe that might have
gone to Ruef or Schmitz or their rep
resentatives? A.-No; know all about
that. 1t was transferred to the Union
Trust company every bit I had any
thing to do with.
Q.-It was all transferred to the
Union Trust company? A.-Yes, sir
and the total amount recited in the
deed of trust and the bond issue was
that stock, 65 per cent of the par
value of stock and bonds issued for
that money No opportunity in those
transfers for a thing of that sort un-
less to buy up outstanding stock-all
the other stock passed to the Union
Trust company and the total amount is
known publicly.