New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1907-02-20


connection with Stanford White? A-Yes. e..
time to time mentioned by him TO you? Ayes
-d you read the paper c %hGh Of 9 MT pe Thaw
the paper that was read yesterday? A-No. sir.
The much talked Of pie girl story was told.
hut the girls name was not mentioned. Mrs.
Thaw told the story as It had been told by her
to Thaw
ON that connection was there any st btI M
connection with young girl. which in the coh .
sations between you was spoken OF as the PIE
s0.-was the name of this young person known TO-
Mt Thaw? Al don't know exactly. 1 have only
81 am not calling for the name. Al only
Q-And may ask You, tFe9ii IN YOU 0lu Fecog-
the names of any Of the ones IneH iId the 5
the oo 5if2 as the IN name OF ''i'S person
THE PIE GIRL" STORY.
o-Now. VIII YOU please state the jury the
whole of that story from beginning TO end as II
was told in the Ilois9 id Mai he soid or
anybody said him upon that sup(ect III gI itb
Mr Thaw asking me what other girls ] knew lfS, OF
who had suffered as I had from stanford w t, M
this one girl. 1 told him thar had first heard ard
Knickerbocker Theatre, and that that night, when
st2nfoTd Wits came 20 my him What was the
story about the pie girl and he said wee bet Ga
hear that? SAID ! h4 had, 4e9f" 1t III TIC
oSTen us what you told Mr.. Thaw thu Mr..
White had told you Al told Mr., Ihaw what MI
QNweii what was it? Ale said there hcd
been a large stag dinner supper forget winch
and that this girl-a very young girl think he
said she was fifteen years old-and she mao 81 ia
that II was the best stunt he had done at the sup
a6 e arse pe PrG great big pie and he
and had this girl put in the pie in some way ana
that this pie was brought in and set the table
and that somebody cut the pie open and that WlGh
arFaO
Of the table and she Just had little gaa7e Dress
a great hit and it was the best thing he had ever
done OF the kind That was what too MI IILTM
MAJ the trouble %as after and hen hey
had terrible time over this girl {hat fhT eo
" all the newspapers had it, and he had sHcteopa
NEWSPAPER in New YORK and they had gone TO this
newspaper through friend Of his, ana tnat I'M, I'M,
rewspaper and he said that the, reason they got
into trouble that they put lot of gold o P p6n
thing Of that sort, and somebody discovered It,
Q-They had been the cause of the story getting I.n
out? A-Yes, and saidIand too III, MT, " t nae
night and he Just laughed about T. He didnt tel
had then with Mr.. Thaw about IT, but later we
talked more about i, THAN ,.,o, e was that
stanford White had told you Of these matters RS:
ANo; won't say I tod him the eXac{ qa od t 0n]
me a story and I had asked Stanford White about
QLsome giri in the theatre at the time that The
Wild Rose was being played A.-Hes, Al. NJ
Thaw that time ask you, or did you wltnS St
being asked tell him who were 1nS peTyPbh cbe sr
il was-I am not asking for their names; am
f fHeiy yo a5d Mr. Thaw at that time? ANo
! only knew about three persons. Khe" ABOUT
three persons who were there.
Mrs Thew said the pie girl" had also been
discussed on Two other occasions-once, she SAID
at the Hotel St. Regis, and once in Pittsburg
he
Thaw said, Thaw told her he had found out
more about the girl; that she had been married,
and that after the marriage her husband had
found out this story and had left her or turned
her away. and that she had died in want. Mrs
rbayy also described Thaw's efforts TO prosecute
White and her advice to desist. She said:
He said Stanford White ought to be in the peni,,
10 put him there 1 said, What can 90? cant
tel about myself cant h 5ei5 tb PpDe sb@ad do
much about it it usuaily made me cry. and tried
TO get his mind on other things. and he noticed l
was trying to get his mind o9 other things ana ne
ford Whites place in the pen!tentary. and mat
%s sb 5ae Pfbe e ana s Re Would e wor dine
went on and ruin more and more girls not only
%h1 %eg+ h h On I. g5 lI. er GOOD families
that had suffered al the hands OF stanford White.
and then he said not only that one thing but after
Stanford White was through with the girls and was
tired Of them. that they were cast aside ana they
either went on with somebody else or they Tel
lower and lower.
Mr. Demas ended his direct examination at
this point but had Mrs Thaw identify the paper
which Thaw sent to the Society for the Proven
ton of Vice which was then read. II in
part
There are places with much obscene art and liter
ature First. Stanford White : place. In Madison
Square tower Probably it IS impossible Tor you 10
second a place on West path street Is consecrated
n DTgig and IS
bauchng young American girls since ten years by
rich gang o. criminals mere Is met mater tnert
possibly illegally obscene. The ground floor
that leads upstairs. the first floor a solid door,
something Ike gamblers Inside IS something
The back room has door but II IS hard to find
It Is furnished like forest think there is but
1t is their custom to drug the victim who usually
IS an American girl perfectly innocent and fifteen
these rich criminals admit regret that they cannot
yard There IS secret yard from this forest room
10 room covered with mirrors above Igiying
sketch or description OF the rOoml.
LIVING ROOM" DESCRIBED
And I think there is stiu a top floor with a largo
studio with a swing SIX or seven criminal scoun-
dTeIs cohtTol TINS Tesor and three or four decent
times frequent il, and occasionally a stranger
years ago when workmen got the police to inquire.
It partly closed several years ago AT the time
There is probably nothing to do here until one Of
the scoundrels Is seen entering alore, or two old
You may abolish another place in East 22d street
building that appears half closed. II is seldom
used, and IN a most secret manner, by only three
or four Of the same scoundrels
certain person name not readI owns it. Il
G0l1aiIS %oTKs OF ar. etc = bed and bath and
thing is expensive, and from the top front room
door behind picture, and concealed itself In a
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