The Hawaiian star. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu]) 1893-1912, 1907-01-02

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that which you owned me to be, uni
versally. Away with such words which
puff up vanity and wound charity" TO
! John himself he wrote: What viii
| you say to Christie who is, you know
! Head of the Universal church, i'm the
| examination of the last judgment? You
who endeavor TO subject to yourself
under the name universal, all it's meme
! bers?" He wrote also: mot one OF
my predecessors have consented to
bear this profane title, because when
a patriarch arrogates to himself the
name Of universal the patriarch win
! suffer discredit" No doubt John as
sumed the title from the fact that he
was Bishop of Constantinople, which
was at that time the capital OF The
Roman Empire; this gave to him a
natural prominence.
What I have written is sufficient,
but we might call attention to the Gen
/ erai Councils. Who would call a coun-
ell if the Popes We're Presidents, Lead
ers head men?" Who called the coun-
ell of Nice, A. D. 325? It was the Em-
peror Constantine. Who presided? The
Bishop of Cordova. Who presided at
the second General Council IN 5S1?
Meletius, Bishop of Antioch, and late7
two other bishops Who presided at
the third i'm 434? Cyril of Alexandria.
Who presided over the fourth, in Ash?
The Bishop Of Constantiaople. What
Of the fifth General Council, 553, which
disciplined Pope Vigilius who after
twards made a humliating submission
to the DEGREES of the council? None Of
these nor the sixth were held in Rome.
How do these facts agree with the idea
of a president etc?"
Now to end: The Church Of England
holds the doctrine as did Gregory the
Great and the Roman Church in his
days. When in his time Augustine
came to Britain to convert the SaXons
he found the bishops of the British
Church there and had a conference
,, with them. Even in the days whe1
England was in communion with Rome
the Pope could not do as he pleased,
for Acts of Parliament interfered. In
, 1114 Pope Paschal II. wrote complain
ing that the English Church showed
little reverence for the Roman See and
sent no appeals to it and did not ask
advice. I could cite many instances
of open defiance to the authority Of
Popes by Church and Parliament.
1T is, in fact, a great mistake to say
that the Church of England was the
Roman Church before the Reformation
and after that the English Church. It's
legal name was in all the centuries of
| its existence the English Church, "Ec-
clesia Anglicana" I have appealed to
history to support my position. I have
briefly shown that your contentious
can not be supported by the facts of
history. You may assert that Henry
VIII did found the Church of Eng
land" but IT is only assertion, not
fact, and based by you solely on the
principle that because the Church re-
pudiated Rome, therefore it was new.
Besides, your own Popes contradict
you. On March s, 1854, Pope julius III.
sent brief to Cardinal Pole desiring
to absolve and reconcile bishops and
priests made in Edward Wis time,
telling him not to reordain them, but
to confirm their Anglican orCers. How
could a Pope do that if he considered
these men ministers of a new sect
founded by a King?
Pope Plus w. and Pope Paul ".
made like advances. The authorities
for what l say I can give, as I have
them before me.
The Church of England maintains
her historic Catholic position and APP
peals to history, as she always has
done, firmly relying on the truth.
Your view that the Church is mon
archiaI I have disproved by citing the
action of councils as recorded in the
acts and in history.
If one accepts your theory then your
position as to Henry VIII. must fol-
low as a matter of course.
But if one carefully examines the
matter and finds that the theory has
no historical bases, then all that you
p have built upon it with reference to
the Church of England falls to the
I ground.
+ The facts are these: The Church
was planted in Britain in early days
st. Augustine found seven British
. bishops there. When the Saxon king
, doms united in one, the Church assum-
G ed a national character. The influence
y of the See of Rome as the chief see in
z the west was early felt By degrees
= notably by the Norman conquest and
20 the weakness of King John, the Pope
e? acquired dominion over the English
Church. In due time the Church, aid
Z ed by Parliament, threw off the yoke
), and regained her primitive state. This
action created no new Church. nor de-
- formed it out of eXistence-it- simply
q was the same Church with a usurped
\ power cast on.
? Thanking you again for giving me