The San Francisco call., 1907-06-16
Evidence i'm Parkside Bribery


physical features of the proposition
The engineering practicability, the de-
sirabflftv and advantage to the city
through these improvements ana IN
creased assessment values ana supmis
sion of plans and specification ana plue
prints and things of that KIND ana
general subjects.
o-wbere did the talk take place
with Umbsen where additional $4,000
was proposed for change to 18th! A
I met him at his office. I met him at
my office and I met him at his nome
and also at my home Now wnere tnal
particular conversation took place
can't recall.
O-Didn't # take place at his home
and was not O'Brien and Green, this
Joe Green. present in the room talking
about the change from 20th to 18th and
then when they left the room to leave,
didn't this conversation take place be-
tween you and Umbsen and ne went
out in the other room to IND out
whether they would be asreeaoie 70
tha and come back and told you IL
would be all right? Al don't re-
member that circumstance. l know
this. that / never spoke to Mr.. Umbsen
about a cent of fee or money in the
presence of any other person 90
remember that on one or two occasions
at Mr.. Umbsen's after / had talked with
third parties over general features OF the
thing. they stepped out, either to go
away or did go away, ano ! continued
conversing with Mr. Umbsen. and on
one occasion after having talked with
him the other two came back; Wnetner
I was talking money matters at tnat
time or not I3don't know. may have
Odd you talk with any other per-
son than Umbsen in the matter at all
about money IN connection with THAR
Al don't remember ever having such
a conversation.
Q.-Talk with Crocker? A-Never.
O-Have any talk with Crocker
about the matter, the enterprise? A.
Not unless-L would say no ! would
say not unless in passing through tue
bank he might casually ask about the
matter. Don't remember even casual
reference to it What I mean Is this.
in order to have no misunderstanding
or indefniteness in my answer. After
the fire | called at the Crocker- Wool
worth bank on some business and saw
Mr.. Crocker and Mr.. Charles Green
and other gentlemen whom / knew
very WELL step up to talk to them
about general conditions. rebuilding
of the city and so on. In that CONVEX
sation 1 mentioned to them that I had
gone to one of the banks in which
had deposited money, no, was about
to go to one of the banks, I think the
First national bank, and Mr.. Crocker,
although l had no account in the bank
at ALL he said any amount / would
care to use temporarily he would be
glad to let me have from his bank
declined his proposition and went to
the First national bank and took some
OF my own money. In that general con-
versation I had there with Mr.. Crocker
and other gentlemen, or at some other
conversation they may have, in a gem
eral way, they may have, In general
way come up in this way. what ls
doing in Parkside matter? But / do
not remember do not think l had
that conversation.
Q.-Do you remember meeting Mr..
Crocker. on the street one day and
having a long conversation about 1t?
Alt is very possible 1 did. 1 don't
remember it. It is very possible I did.
Oh, yes. Mr.. Crocker 1 met and talked
one evening after I left my office and
was walking along Kearny street late
in the evening. 1 met Mr.. Crocker on
Kearny street between Pine and Bush.
on the easterly side, and some general
conversation about the Parkside did
take place, and I did say to him that
/ would do all I could to help put it
through. That was before any of these
other arrangements were made.
Q.--Any talk with Morrison about it I?
Newer.
Q.-Brobeck? A.-Brobeck prepared
some of the papers necessary to be put
through and consulted me about them
several times.
Q--Ever have talk with you about
fee? Al can't recall that he did.
Odd you ever consult with Nor
rison about papers7 A.-No.
Odd you have any talk with him
about fee? A.-Not to my recollection,
don't think met him about the mat
ter at all.
Odd you talk with Cope about
papers? A--No, I talked with Mr.
Cope, now that you recall it Mr.. Cope
called at my Office on one occasion,
believe, and suggested my employment
and subsequent to that stated to him
that on account of the extreme personal
interest manifested by the mayor, by
Mr. Schnnitz, the mayor, that would ba
willing to act in order to get
1T through notwithstanding attitude of
the board OF supervisors; that was the
extent of the conversation with Mr..
Cope remember
On the first conversation with
Cope. did you Ak your fee? A---No
Odd you tell him what. A.
Not in the first conversation.
Odd you in the second? A-The
second conversation with Mr.. Cope in
q general way, he asked me what 1
thought the fee would be, and think
did suggest some fee
Q.-Do you remember what It was2
Al would not have recalled the con-
versation at all IL you had not called
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