Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1907-03-08


The Vice President--Does the sena-
tor from Georgia yield TO the senator
from North Dakota?
Mr.. Bacon-~1 would prefer If the
senator will allow me 70 proceed
with my reply. ana then | viii yield
Mr. McCumbsr--I merely wanted to
ask the senator a question
MIR. Bacon-l wish 70 reply first to
the suggestion of the senator from
Tennessee. can not reply TO both at
once Then l win yield with pleasure
10 the senator,
was proceeding to say when inter
ruptod that I would think II unfortun-
ate II any action should be taken by
the senate at this time which would
negative the proprlety Of the rslln-
bursement within certain limitations
of the parties who made expenditures
IN the prosecution OF the question as
to the right OF Senator SIN ooI to re-
tain his seat.
AS / understand 1t. the government
has paid the expenses OF witnesses on
both sides, which / think was snlh-
emily proper TO be done. understand
further that the appropriation In this
biz is to reimburse Senator Smoot for
expenditures made by hirn outside OF
the matter OF procurement OF wit.
nesses, In the payment OF his counsel
and other expenses, and think that
is an eminently proper appropriation
to be made. | think it also proper. IL
va knew the amount. TO reimburse the
parties who we must be assured made
eXpend lures upon the Same lines in
the prosecution. But In the absence
of any information on that subject, I
do not think we could properly adopt
the amendment offered by the senator
from Mississippi.
So the senator from Tennessee and
myself are in accord on that matter.
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action by the senate which would seem
TO negative the right OF these parties
at some future time TO make known
what demands they may have In refer
ence to the matter.
MIR. Hale--Slr. President
The Vice President-Does the sena-
tor from Georgia yield to the senator
from Maine?
Mr.. Bacon promised to yield to
the senator from North Dakota,
Mr.. Ha1e--If the senator is not
through, ] do not wish to interfere.
Mr.. Bacon--I promised to yield to
that senator.
Mr.. MccumbeI---I simply wish to
ask the senator a question Is 1t not
true that all the witnesses have been
paid2
Mr.. Bacon---I think so.
Mr.. McCumber--Then. the sum that
Is sought to Do paid by this amend
nlent is for the attorneys, Is IL not al
so true that the attorneys have been
paid?
Mr.. Baccn--I am sure I do not
know. They We're not paid by the
government. I presume
Mr.. AIcCumber--No; but IL they
have been paid by anyone who en-
pioyed them, why should the govern
ment pay them again
Mr.. Bacon--T understand that this
appropriation is to reimburse the SEN
ator from Utah.
Mr.. McCumber---I am not speaking
about the senator from Utah. but of
the amendment. The amendment
proposes to appropriate $4,000 to pay
some other expenses; and inasmuCh
as tho government has already paid
the expenses OF the witnesses. most
OF the appropriation must necessarily
be for expenses of counsel. 1t is my
understanding that the counsel for the
prosecution were taken care Of. and
that their expenses and fees have
been paid
Mr.. Bacon---Now. Mr. President.
that Is, presume. the question OF the
senator from North Dakota. As UNI
derstand It. the senator from Utah
has paid his counsel, and this is 10 re-
imburse him for that expenditure. On
the other hand, | suppose II is true
really that those who prosecuted this
question as to the right OF the senator
their counsel. i simply contendad that
when a proper presentation was made
they should within certain limitations
be reimbursed but, SO Tar as this
amendment is concerned ] myself
could not vote for IT, because We have
no evidences as 10 what was paid or the
persons by whom 1t was paid. | think
that makes clear my position IN the
! matter,
Mr.. Hale--I move to lay the amend
ment on the table
MIR. Dubois MIR. President
Mr.. EThle--I am so worry DESTROYS OF
getting the bill through and getttis 1t
over 10 the house 10 avoid a night ses-
sion that ! must make the motion.
MI. DubOls--G can clear up little or
this question In lust few words, IL
the senator from Maine VIII allow me.
The Vice PTesident-Dles the senator
from Maine yield to the senator from
Mr., Hale--I will yield briefly to the
senator.
Mr.. DuDols-t knew nothing about
the amendment which the senator from
Mississippi has proposed. was not
consulted about II at all and ] had
nothing whatever to do with g. But
Inc facts are that the women orsanIza-
| lions OF the country and the ministerial
nrsnoiatfon paid the attorneys $500
THAT amount was paid and Il was paid
| nv those organizations That answers
the question OF the senator from Ten
nesSee.
now the money was paidY
Mr. Dubols-lt was paid directly IN
the attorneys through the ministerial
nraani tatior and the woman's organ
lzatlons OF the country
Mr. Carlnnck-~They collected the
money, I suppose
from their people