The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1907-07-11

Neville wanted to be reimbursed in the
sum of $500. Meyer said he Investigated
the matter found that Neville had never
been member of the union and told him
he could be granted no relief.
Harry Orchard came to see him in his
office June %, 1904, and asked him out to
have a drink, Meyer said. He was busy
at the time, but told Orchard IL he cared
to wait he would go out with him later.
Orchard waited in the outer office and
when Meyer was through with two men
they went out to dinner together and
had few glasses of beer.
Meyer declared that after this occasion
he never saw Orchard again.
Did you ever have any arrangement
of any sort with Harry Orchard as to the
killing of any One?'
Il never had any arrangement of any
sort with him. and never even discussed
the killing of any one with him.
DO you know of any money having
been paid him for killing or attempting
to kill any oDe?' barrow asked once
more
There never was any money paid to
him so far as l know
Meyer denied that Orchard was ever at
his house in the Aberdeen flats and also
fatty denied Orchards statement that the
witness and Haywood and Pettibone and
Orchard met in Petitioners back yard In
August, 1905, and discussed the killing of
Governor Steunenberg.
Il was never in Petitioners back yard
with Orchard in August, 1905, or any other
time"
Ibid you know Orchard in any other
way than. as you have testifiedT'
Il knew him just as / know other mem
bers of the organization and the only mon
ey transactions between us was when l
paid for his meals and hotel in the trip
to Ouray."
did you ask Orchard to kill Johnny
Neville or did Neville ever demand any
money of you for what he knew about
the Independence depot explosion?"
~. q.
take the life of Mr.. Neville" replied Moy-
er i'm the same calm voice which has char
acterized his examination throughout.
81 Mr.. Neville. had never done anything TO
me and any knowledge he might have had
about the Independence depot could not
possibly have had any connection with
me Mr. Neville did and could not have
made any threats to mel had nothing TO
fear"
"Did You ever tell Harry Orchard that
your health was too delicate to have any
more crimes committed in Colorado and
that he had better get to IdahO?'
81 never discussed crimes with Orchard
and could not have made such state
ment."
Meyer declared he had never seen
Adams after the Cripple Creek strike.
Meyer told of having come to Silver
City, Ida, in october. 1905, to visit the
local unions Of the Western Federation
of Miners. lie did not stop in Caldwell
in fact. he did not know there was such
place at that time. He knew nothing
of the whereabouts of Orchard or Simp-
kins at this time.
Did YOU ever receive a letter from Har-
ry Orchard at Butte. asking you for slO0?''
No, sir I never received any letters
from Orchard from any place or any tel
egrams either
did YOU write him any letters?
mo. sir; I never had any communica-
ton with him of any kind
Meyer declared that he had never heard
any threats against Governor Steunen-
berg, He knew absolutely nothing about
il in advance and had never heard his
death discussed. Two or three days after
the death the papers contained notice
of the arrest of Thomas Hogan, who
had registered from Denver. Meyer knew
Orchard had gone by this name when he
left Cripple Creek. The papers which con-
tanned the story of Orchards arrest also
began to charge the Western Federation
of Miners with being responsible for the
crime
January 1. 1906. Meyer said cipher tel
egram was received from Spokane The
federation had had a cipher message code
ever since its organization and used it in
the general transaction of business. II
was a part of the ritual and was used for
sending out passwords, etc. The cipher
was here introduced in evidence. 1t was
merely a system of using numbers to rep
resent letters The telegram also was
offered in evidence.
Message From simpkins.
The message was from Jack Simpkins
and translated read as follows:
Spokane January T. 1906-Cannot get a
lawyer to defend Hogan. Answer-L. j
Simpkins."
Mover said Simpkins was the member
of the executive board who had charge
of the Idaho district and 1t was his duty
to take care of any trouble which Oc-
r1lrred in the district
Simpkins was implicated by Orchard il
his early attempts on Governor Steunen-
berg and has never been apprehended.
Upon receiving the telegram Meyer said
he consulted Mr.. Murphy, the federation
attorney in Denver. and was advised by
him not to act hastily in the matter, but
give him time to think IL over The wit
ness declared that he did not actually
know of any unfriendly person having
possession of a code or ritual Meyer said
the desks of several of the unions in Grip
pie Creek had been looted during the trou
bleS there.
Meyer said he was called to Chicago
after consulting Murphy. and the matter
of employing counsel for Orchard wa:
left in the hands of Secretary Haywood.
The defense here introduced a series 81
kilograms and letters which passed be
tween Haywood and 3. j Hanlon, fin
anCial secretary of the local union a
Silver City, Ida. The first of these was
from Haywood to Hanlon directing the
latter to employ John +. Nugent, nov
a member of the defense counsel, as at
tOTney fOT OTCfdfQ dI Iftt expense VI ifi'
Western Federation of Miners to protect
the interests Of the organization at Boise
HanlOn replied that Nugent desired par
ticulars. Haywood, in reply to this, sale
that the press dispatches indicated tina
another conspiracy was on foot to con
meet the Western Federation of Miner:
with grave crimes. The federation, he Ge
clared defended no one guilty of crime
but in the past had found that if il haC
not defended some of it's accused mem
bers they would have been the victim!
of conspiracy
Secretary Hanlon then wrote Haywood
and told him Mr.. Nugent was willing Il
take up the case if it appeared there wa:
to be an effort to put the crime on tbs
Western Federation Of Miners. HanloT
declared that he thought it unwise for thu
federation to employ counsel at the tim'
as ii would give the capitalistic press al
opportunity to say the federation was con
cerned in the crime. HanlOn said III
thought that caution should be the pass
word of the federation in dealing will
the matter.
Reply Of Haywood.
Haywood wrote in reply that he fully
appreciated the delicacy of the fedora
tion's position and the antagonistic at
titude of the caDitalistic press, but he sale