The sun., 1907-04-03

scripture. One reference was to describe
st. Gregory as rescuing the Virgins from
the Rcd Dragons.
Mr.. Jerome oontended that these were
the writings Of a man who was not COM
petent nationally to advise with his counsel.
All Of the experts examined khoso papers.
It turned out that Mr.. Delmas had handed
planned that he had been asked by the oon-
mission to produce all writings he had re-
ceived from ThAw during the trial
DR.. Austin Flint said that Thaw y a para
noiAc and he could not intelltgently advise
with his counsel. He added that Thaw
would be dangerous At large In the oommu-
nifty, as he had systematised delusions and
after the trial he might osntre those delu-
sons on somebody whose nam0 had come
up In the course OF the trial. The suggee-
tions Thaw sent to Mr.. Delrnaa 70 aid him
in summing up showed that Thaw was q
paranoiac. Explaining his answer to the
hypothetical question at the trial he said
it was possible for a paranoiao 70 know
when he killed the nature Of the act and
that 1t was wrong-that II was against the
current morals OF the community and To-
gally prohibited. He was not allowed TO
amplify his answer at the trial and could
make no explanation. Thaw understood
the necessity Of having counsel, but didn't
understand the advantage.
DR.. William Mabon, tine next witness, who
testified for the prosecution az the trial,
said he made the answer he did to the hy-
pothetical question because he was COM
PEELED to by the statute. just the same
Thaw is medically insane. While Chairman
Mcclure was examining Thaw Mr.. Jerome
made q rather heated objection, saying
that there were plenty OF eminent counsel
TO look after the interests OF the defendant
a judicial capacity. Mr.. Mcclure passed
the protest up by saying that it was the
commissions duty TO find out Thaw's pree-
ent condition.
DR.. William Hirsch declared that the
reason for paranoiacs being 30 dangerous
was because they knew the nature and
quality OF their acts. He wouldn't say that
he never had made a mistake; had made
some-as few as any man.
Isn't exaggerated ego a sign OF para
noia?" said Mr.. Hartridge.
Not in all cases. replied the doctor in
his rich German dialect Everybody
laughed.
DR.. Albert Warren Ferris and DIR. William
b. Pritchard both OF whom have testified
for the prosecution, gave il "a their opinion
that Thaw wasn't capable OF advising with
counsel. DIR. G, r. Bingaman, who was the
Thaw family physician in Pittsburg, gave
about the same testimony as when he was a
witness at the trial. He said, however, that a
maternal aunt Of Thaw's, whom Mr. jerome
seemed to think died Of insanity, had
epilepsy when she was years old, after
she had had scarlet fever. She married,
raised a family, conducted a household
and died an epileptic.
Then Mr.. Jerome announced that he
had subpPnaed Dr. Charles W. Pilgrim
Of the State LunaCy Board and DR.. Minas 3
Gregory of Bellevue Hospital for the bene-
fit of the commission. but he insisted that
he did not produce them as witnesses for
the prosecution. Chairman Mcclure called
bath OF them. They have testified that
'rhaw was insane when he killed White.
but they did not make aftidavits opposing
the appointment of the lunacy commission
On the ground that lhaw is now able to
advise with counsel.
DR.. Pilgrim said he was unable TO ex-
pruaa an opinion about what kind OF insan-
10y ThRw was suffering from when he killed
White. Then he had a whispered oonfsr-
He - said to have told DR.. PutZ3l what his
impression is OF Thhws present mental
condition. DR.. Gregory declined to express
a positive position about Thaw's condition.
DR.. Graeme NJ. Hammond appeared for
the defence. He talked with Thaw during
the trial and found him logical, coherent
and sane He denied that hs told DR.
Charles l.. Dana and Dr. Carlos +. MAodon-
aid on last Saturday that he believed Thaw
TO be suffering from paranoia or dementia
precoX As ar illustration Of how sane
Thaw is he said that Thaw remarked after
Mr. Delmas announced that DR.. Hamilton
could tell all he knew about Thaw: Il think
the lawyers need a commission more than
| do"
Mr. Delmas then took the stand and in his
best oratoriSal style said that the papers sent
TO him by Thaw contained many valuable
hints, which could be used effectively and
judiciously in summing up"
Dr. Smith Ely Jellife said that hs had
examined Thaw several times lately and
there was no trace OF delusions, and Thaw.
so far as he could Judge, is normally sane.
Some time at the trial DR. JelliHe had writ
ten on a blackboard classifoAtiots Of para
noia. Mr.. Jerome produced the blackboard
and Mr.. Olney asked rather sarcastically
how il came in the possession Of the District
Attorney DIR. Jellife said he supposed Mr..
jerome just took it, Mr.. jerome said it
was his blackboard. To which tho doctor
replied that he had bought the chalk TO do
the writing and the brains went along"
your brains apparently went long since,
retorted Mr.. jerome. who always has .
scrap with Dr. Jellifs.
DR.. Britton d. Evans, who is so breezy
he supplies humorous talks on insanity right
of the bat, was the last witness Of the day.
He admitted that Thaw understood the pro-
ceedings In a great many instances better
than he did. He wanted some witnesses
cut off because their testimony was tire
some to the jury and DR.. Evans thought
Thaw's judgment on the subject was nrst
rate.
This is not a matter OF opinion said DR..
Evans. Il know perfectly web that this
with his counsel
Thaw never had paranoia. The suE-
gestions he wrote to Mr.. Delmas were good.
He referred to the quotations from the
Bible.
-You might as well characterize the Bible
as a work on insanity as TO say these writings
are insane, said the doctor.
Mr.. jerome may call DIR. Diefendorf this
morning The defense said that II they
could get DR.. Wagner Of BinghRmton here
they would call him. Chairman Mcclure
indicated that he didn't want to hear any
more witnesses. IL will not take the oom-
mission long TO hear the testimony OF these
two witnesses and the physical eKamina-
ton of Thaw ought to be over by this after