Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1907-01-18


ask Mr.. Pinchot question. | would like
| to ask two Of them. This may not in
terest you as much as 1t will me. If you
had been bothered with your forest SUI
pervisors, IL you have in any instance
found any discrimination or Partially
to people who should have gotten into
the reserve. Is that fair question?
Mr.. Pinchot-Certainly We have
about 100 supervisors. Some of them
AL and some art not. l told you about
u man who made two bad mistakes in
the company Mr.. Walker is interested
in. We do have trouble, but / say
this. that considering the low salaries
the forest service is able to pay, in my
judgment we have an unusually fine
lot of men. And the number of COM
plants which reached me last year of
any mistreatment of any kind will bear
me out In that statement
Mr.. Bell-Another thing. Do you have
the most trouble about leasing the re-
serve from men that are not in the for
est reserve, or do you have as much
trouble from men in the forest reserve?
Mr. Pinchot--I can say that SO per
cent of all the trouble we have comes
from men clear out of the forest re-
serve, and 80 per cent of the agitation
comes from men who never got In the
forest reserve at all.
Mr.. Sullivan-When Mr.. Potter and
Mr.. Pinchot 60 back to Washington, !
WOuIu dSh W ltpoIl NIleiI tiN'
woolgrowerS of the state of Wyoming
are opposed to creation OF forest re-
serves. We have passed resolutions Of
that kind in both local and state con-
ventions. Mr.. Pinchot said a few mo-
ments ago that the forest reserve was
here TO stay. Well, 1 wasn't aware of
the fact that there were any rules or
regulations created in the city of WASH
ington that cant be changed by the
people. cloud cheers and applause)
I want to say further that there never
was a president since the days Of
Washington that was greater than the
people who created him. (Applause,)
There is not man present who does
not remember the dark days OF the VIII
son and German bill. when it was In
full force We were told by men in Of
fee that the Wilson and German bill
and free trade act were here to stay.
but that is a thing that has passed
away. and the men who created It
have passed out of public life. Cap
plause.)
Mr.. Pinchot--Gentlemen / have two
replies to make. In the first place. as
to Mr.. Sullivan's question, so far as
l am aware. no one in this room has
ever controverted and no man will ever
controyert the statement he has made
| took great care to say. and ! repeat
II, that / am here simply as the serv-
ant of the people. That the people make
the laws you all know. 1t Is not neces-
sary to dwell on that, but repeat that
taking the people of the United States
at large, there Is no question whatever
but that the support OF the forest re-
serve policy is agreed to year by year.
/ make that statement with no quallf-
cation whatever. That there is dissat-
isfaction in certin places, / know. That
It can be removed In certain places.
and not in others, l know. But the
,,,t%y, tas,at f.Nr, a.,
my mind, that we have got the reserves,
and the people of the United States. be-
ing all of the people of the United
States, east and west, who make the
laws together, are behind that policy.
and / have the authority of the presi-
dent of the United States for that
statement. SO much for Mr.. Sullivan's
unquestionable argument.
Mr.. Gaines Qdaho)-The question l
wish to ask is on the same line that
Mr.. Johnson of Idaho has asked. Mr..
Johnson, as / understand his question.
is this: If there are A, and c of
Idaho, who are homesteaders, and one
any one can come in there. or viii come
in there and offer to buy up their sheep
and is willing TO pay more than what lis
considered their valuation. that man
will sell. Their object in buying those
sheep from that man is to close him
range, and II will follow up to every
small man that there is on the range.
Now. then, the question Is here: Is
the forest service going TO bind every
other man that had nothing to do with
that deal to them? Surprising there was
100 head Of sheep on range. permit
ted to so there. Among that number.
90 We're sold to another man in that
neighborhood, who desires to go on the
range and place sheep there. Would
they be given preference over anybody
else who had an application? Would
they be turned down. or would that
same man be excluded II he wanted to
get In that business again? The reason
I ask the question is this: II such is
the case. every acre Of land in the state
OF Idaho and every other state, will
be In the hands of corporations, and
the people who live adjacent to them
will be serfs and in their power. ZAP
plause).
Mr.. Potter.--In reply. / would say
that this question being brought up
now is one of which IL is impossible TO
make any set rule. There are so many
varying conditions. different Ways In
which stock arrive, different customs
OF the country, that to quite an extent
We must determine range privileges on
the merits OF each individual case. ac-
cording to the conditions existing In
that section OF the country with which
We arc Ntuliilb' buh VIZ NY 10 IOliOW
out certain general principles. But I'm
granting privileges we give pref
erence 10 the class A man,
who IL the small man. IL the re-
serve IS heavily stocked TO the limit
which Is known as the class a limit,
saying that not more than a certain
number of sheep or cattle viii be enti-
tied to a renewal without reduction. As
the country settles up and II becomes
necessary To take new men into the re-
serve, these new men will be taken In
not at the expense OF the class a men.
but of the larger interests. II must be
that the natural evolution OF the thing
win be as the country settles up that
the big outfit man Will have to give way
TO the bona fide settler. We try to pro-
tect the man who has acquired rang
rights by giving him advantage so far
as we can and right TO transfer that
IN case he has good reason to leave the
country. Sometimes man IL compelled
TO leave certain section of the coun-
try on account OF the health OF his
family, and there IL certain protec-
tion In that way that he must be given.
But we try TO avoid In every reasonable
way monopoly OF the range. We are
compelled In many Instances TO re-
strict the number OF new men allowed
to 60 into a reserve for the reason that
II we allow all the new mon who wish
to 20 Il would be too sudden cut
ting down Of the large men. We feel