New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1907-03-07
MRS. W. THAW TESTIFIES
Continued from srst page.
son Harry returning from Europe in the fall of
1O03


on the 18th Of November. and lie came there few
Gays previous to that.
siah i'u Any ,Sird son '''''7' "'''' Is 'O
| .Q.-Was married at that time? A.-on the 18th OF
Q.-During the time that your SON. Harry X.
notice anything peculiar in his conduct denoting
change from what you had seen in him previously?
Q.-win YOU kindly describe I; to the jury in
he FIRST entered the house l had been in the han
then was totally different he had kind Of despaiT
81 src Won nat az t} he tme IN yck me
I at the time but did not ask him any questions; /
/ Q.-Thcn madam. describe what followed that
first impression thSt You have stated A.We
2 more strongly; He had the same distracted look,
/ he was very fond OF music and remember he left
| the table and went to the drawing room and began
! Q.-Now. as i have asked you to relate in your
o o0d way 3 { e may m f m 0 ee f
tho details For instance. this of thing hap
SaTs as houFh he Rad ken h share re Of h
/ conversation. But the most noticeable thing was
Q--WiI YOU describe how you noticed that? A.
Ills room 3 was next 70 n sd ana would hear
GA sinothered SOB? A-IYes. Other nights I
in The morning ana would go in! in and find him
goinn ~ he'd. cannot sieep wnnld ask nm,
what was the matter. and he would say, 1T IS
impossible 10 tell you
At times Mrs. Thaw's voice was inaudible
even TO the jurors and her responses had to be
read by the stenographer. she showed the stress
she was under and made brave efforts to
ceaI her emotion. Roth Josiah and Edward Thaw,
her sons were present in court. and they looked
very anxious when they saw their mother APP
parently on the verge of breaking down Mr.
Delrnas got around to the time she first learned
what troubling her son. and asked
OWN YOU state to tho jury what was the first
statement }hat ne mace TO You upon that subject;
man in New York had done which had ruined his
~, Soa5 hns that wicked mgr had done in
ably the worst man in New York. had done y M
had ruined his life anI he could never be happy.
3E;e And Won got ne fuTthsE information upon that
DID YOU subsequently learn more from his
Statements IN that connection Al did The
cause it was prior to Thanksgiving If that year,
which occurred in that month did not know The
TO know about it. ! knew il was something ~
connection with young girl ! know that before
n @bid n.,g. max am, inagry q
thing was this wicked man had done and get any
nut did not get anything Until I knew il was in
connection with the fact that he had ruined a
please state 10 the jury what the coaversa-
ion Vas mat you l3d Win nm upon thar subIset
Young giri. Aust about that And / aid not
hing IS iRays S83,enIng In sac I 2ew S'Y YORK *
why should yonr life he ruined TO- that Teasur?'
And no protested that It was.
That II was. ruined? a That II was. /
It not altogether his business look after tho
Young gtrl and see that she not dragged down.
ine which 1e me- i @iS Ppc c,9F 20
described from MS point - view her character ana
her appearing:
80, Q. W, VIII have to state. madam nearly as
NAT he expressed 70 Won upou that subject A.
,iful mind Of any person he had ever known mat
peaed That If She had anr T % oP aT 'G @6 a
look after her. there still chance FOR her 20
! cannot recall the entIr" conversation but that |
,Q.-That is what you DO recall? A-Yes sir:
that vas the substance Of e..
ohta'ned from him M, 10 Tharksgivinge Al can
IT, r. &c g4lte sur" only know this thar ON
vring you l, nave nat stated anything about Thanks
The hrst THANKSGIVING In our YER, large and beaGti
, new caatSn and II was crowded and Harry
my daughter and her husband were coming from /
the family we're in New York VIZ vent ,,r To- ,F S
church and Il Was fun We were under The gal /
lose Of The seryice hen The choir was singing
Of De Koven ! heard sob and n shower of tears /
fan on the programme he holding i put nv 1
recovered himself. And We drove home said: /
. 10y u you Iolse, SoIIseI m church: lie said
there.
lnaW was always returning To the subject, /
his mother testified. he did not seem TO he able .
to get the subject OF the girls wrongs from his
mind. Then Mr.. Delmas asked:
Q--when did you first learn who this girl was?
AI 'n mn d i w rss. n The spring Of 1901
with your son i'm which he made yanti ,@t f t Inns
gF - sb as 70 give y@S h name or To let you know
q But you had learned her name before your son
went 10 Europe in lSo'? A.-Yes.
Q-iItow did you learn? 20 You recall the con-
Mr. Jerome objected that the question had no
bearing the subject Of insanity Mr. Demas
argued The point, and then Mr.. Jerome said:
II the defence is TO go ahead upon tho presunp
ton that fh9w was insane up to August s WHY
insane now This !a he saspended ID" for re th Is
purpose OF the naming Of commission To iavesti-
gate into his present sanity
Mr. Delmas replied:
The matter whether this trial should no suspend r
Cd Tor tn" appointment OF commission is not the ,
have asked is proper It heinE established bv the
IN I ta' uGe as'sneant Was of unsoua mind
same su6j"cj m periods IN 1901 and 1906 W. hold
In the Intervening periods which claim
Both counsel argued the point involved At
length. and at last Justice FitzGcrald inter
-upted ana overruled Mr.. Jerome's objection
and Mrs Thaw was permitted To tell OF her con-
ersation with her son In response 10 Mr.
Delmas's question. Mrs. Taaw related the s,,b
stance of these conversations. and no further
reference made 10 the appointment of !
Mrs. Thaw said that on he~ sons return from,
Europe, in 1904 she chided him on account os
he rumors that had been printed concerning
lis conduct,
4 spoke to him and uphraided him about tho
'eport in the papers. He stin had the purpose
o marry Miss Nesbn when he returned from
Europe" she said. After her trip TO the Sou,h