The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1907-03-05

Inc ODJeCtlon was sustained.
Witness repeated that they left the
had played cards on the train but did
his his grips fps wi; Win him When he left IT" the be- train
He threw his unde-, the seat.
Q.-You cannot give single reason
why you got off that train except that
You thought 10 advisable 10 get on? A
The conductor told me 10 get of, because
the fellow we got in the game with us
was talking considerable about 1t.
Witness said on the train they were
matching dollars. Subsequently he went
to Ogden with Mr.. Newton and Uncovered
one of his grips He had not received
the other one.
His Definition. of Gambling.
o.-What. in your estimation, does
gambling include--what range does IT
take? At seems to take a conisdera-
ble range in Salt Lake.
Q.-You know what l mean2 Alt
includes gambling I'm different ways
matching dollars. playing cards
Q.-Pretending TO he policeman when
you're not? Al suppose that comes
under the same head.
Q,-Flimflamming? A@Y%s.
ANY kind OF bunko business? A
Yes, sir.
Q.-Please tell us where you draw the
line, A.-There are number OF diher-
cnt places where we draw the line ANY
place where / can't talk man out OF MS
money. l draw the line then
Q-Aet!ng as a policenanI.Jand - "a. when nn
tiou OF the law. taking his money-you
think that is gambling? At seems II
Is: yes. sir
That was the only time he acted as
policeman. and Judge Thurman thought
he had done II very successfully.
Taken by Surprise,
Witness said he did not expect that
Larry O Brien was to call on him for the
services of policeman He was taken
completely by surprise when he did. lie
had no conspiracy about that pnrt of the
game. When O'Brien first approached
him it was the first he knaw OF il. When
he got to the Antlcr roornlng- house the
game had been played and he listened 10
the stories. He did not see any officer
around at that time or he would have
got him TO go up
This statement brought forth much
laughter from the spectators.
Judge Thurman don't think you par
ticularly realize the seriousness OF an
Yes sir; I am not ignorant of an oath.
Q,-Would YOU have called in an officer
TO so up there and take care OF that
several ! don't know. If | had seen on
officer that ! was acquainted with I
would have called upon him
Q-WhaI officers were you acquaint-
ed with? A-Four-Shee,s. Raleigh,
Shannon and Wilson.
Witness did not look for either OF them
when O'Brlen came up TO him, He did
not think about wanting an officer. and !
he had talked to none Of them.
o.-Why did You not go out and get |
were all right and arrest this man (Mc- |
Whirtcrl? A.-Becsuse l needed the
money.
Q.-And now Won want your liberty? |
Al would like TO have.
Q.-.Are you seeking by your testimony |
now 10 gain Your liberty? A.-No, sir.
Q.-Gou would not swear 10 a falsehood |
to save yourself from the penitentiary-?
Al would not swear 10 falsehood for
ANYTHING: not even to save my life.
Judge Thursman asked the witness as
10 his Ideas OF morality and the plane
from which he was testifying, and the
witness interrupted, saying that he did
ness hu; he knew some lawyers who
were not very moral. and he associated
with theieves for the money that was in
It, jus; as a lawyer defended them.
Judge Thurman said he believed there
was something in the answer that re-
Elected on him, and asked the reporter TO
read the colioquy.
When IL came TO that part that re-
ferred to the morality OF LAWYERS 1t ap-
Peared from the record that County At
torney Hanson had lnterjected an ohjec
he was surprised al that.
Off you did get into trouble and II
you had 10 get out Of II. would YOU tell |
a lie2 Al wouldn't swear 10 a lie
Q.-What understanding had YOU in re-
gard TO that II you got caught? Al
never knew OF any understanding.
they expected in Salt Lake ''as they had
things fixed up here?"
County Attorney Hanson said he
would accep; that statement from Judge
Thurman.
Judge Thurman said It would be the
only truthful thing since the case began.
otue, Jny apoul gonG into fast houses"
Hansen replied II protected you in
that"
The witness then got a chance to an
SWEr and said: 81 would take con-
Q,f-Mr. Parent. didn't you expec, to
took the witness stand I wouldn't swear
TO n falsehood or commit perjury. He
would. he stated. rob a man of his money
his last dollar? Al don't know that l
ever e took @Il.,.a mans last dollar
o.-Yes when you had to-you intend
ed to keep # all? Al intended to keep
with IT YOU would take the last dollar
oy any kind OF means, a man has got?
=, ANG Mn sir Ironng not by any Io1G means As
Cor misrepreseunt yourself-you
"Spd o@YSS SS aid Isa5E DO ~ AlYes A@yss sir sir
A.-No. sir.
o,--But II YOU wasn't on the witness
Stand you would tell n falsehood? A-No |
sir; | wouldn't swear To q falsehood
Witness. continuing. said he made a
10 Judge Hilton as they came
over from Denver. ,
Odd you tell him the truth-what
was Il?
Judge Hilton objected very warmly.
Attorney Christensen asked in what
capacity Mr.. Hilton objected. for the
state or for the defendant
In both capacities thundered Judge
Hilton He went on to aver that no rep1-
able lawyer would ask for such q state
nent.
Judge Thurman responding, said. LAS to
reputable lawyer, ] don't known how
you got on TO it."
Witness replied that he made no state {
nent TO anyone but his attorney
He Evades Dates.
a number OF questions were then asked
is 20 when he came here and first met =
Newton and other points. He was asked
o Tx the dates bur he Invariably added
nter giving adate ITO the best OF my
When asked why he put
I that Way when he was positive on
saturday. he denied that he had changed
lis opinion now.
Q,-H any conspiracy was entered into
vas IL on the 25th or August? DO YOU