The Montgomery advertiser., 1907-01-29
THLMAN
 AGAIN SHOWS Gets in Child Labor
 Debate. BLAMES ALIEN CAPITALISTS Declares Northern Manufacturers Responsible for Carolina Abuses. Beveridse and spoener Lock Horns is coIioauy in Reference to sen
 ste's Constitutional Pow
 ers--Matter Gees Over.

Washington, Jan. 2s.--Senator Beve- ridge today resumed his speech in be- half of the measure prohibiting inter- state commerce articles which are the production of child labor.
 Mr. Beveridge stated that three fourths of the cotton factories of the South were opposing the bill. that the railroads of the South were opposing 1t. He presented an illustrative map showing the location of the opposing industries and said that In anticipation of this weighty opposition. he should devote the major portion of hls speech to setting forth evidence of the deplor- able conditions he had pictured. This evidence. he said were all sworn to and in the forms of affidavits.
 When Mir. Beveridge made the state- ment that the recently enacted child labor law of Georgia was "a dead lst-s ter" Mir. Bacon took issue with him.
 Mir. Beveridge asserted there had been filed 5000 applications for permits for chila labor under the law.
 How many of them have been grant~ ed"" asked Mir. Bacon.
 "AIl of them," replied Mir. Bevertdgee Mir Bacon then explained that the law prohibited children under twelve years of age from working after January l. 1908
 "Yesp responded Mir. Beveridge, "bdt there is not an inspector in the state and no means of enforcing that pros vision. What good Is measure of that kind?"
 very great evil of chiId lahor in hiS state and asked Mir. Beveridge to subs init all the evidence possible that it might be used in a crusade for state Legislation. Adding to the dtffculty in his tate, he said kas the Northen n1il- ioraire who came down there invest ed his money in cotton mills and then influenced the legislature against ehsld labor laws.
 .-rhe senator is to certain extent right" interrupted Senator GalIlnger. 'srhere Is Northern money in South Carolina and God help South Carolina if there was not Northern money there"
 Keep Northern Money Out.
 "Rather than have Northern money there exercising its lobbying fnnu- ence," retorted Mir. Tiilmsn. wonId to God the Senators and all others would keep Northern money out oe
 Mr. TIlIman added he fully appre- ciated the conditions in his State and would go as far as any one to cor rect them, He believed the question was one for State control rather than federal legislation.
 A snirited colloquy resulted between Senators Spooner and Beveridge when the former asked If 1t was the posi- tion of the Indiana Senator that Con@ gress had power to enact. under the commerce clause of the constitution < law which would prevent child laeos fin the States. MT. Beveridge replica that he so held. Mir. Spooner indi- cated that he should later have some- thing to say against that positior4 whereupon Mir. Beyeridge retorted that the senator could Issue flat if he saw it. indicating at the sarn9 time that this fiat would be from tha Senate Judiciary committee.
 q issue the flat for myself rev torted MT. Spooner. You did give 4, fiat yourself" continued MT. Beveridgee when you introduced a resolution di< recting the judiciary committee tG advise the Senate on the constituS tionality of the question involved"
 He then said that the effect of th6 resolution was to make Senator spoons CT chairman of the sub-committeG which would report on the matter. Mir. Spooner replied that he had been a member of the Senate for sometime somewhat longer than the Senator from Indiana, but he added. he did noe expect lO DC OthAtOF ds tohH 1c An4 Senator from Indiana-and that h was not eE unusual thing for the Sen- atet to refer a matter to the judiciary committee for report as to the power of Congress to act on given nat- ter. 'The fiat lay In the adoption of that resoluticH,' he concluded.
 Comes Back at Beveridge.
 Mir. Beveridge then remarked that he had yielded to the Senator and that he had announced when the Sena- tor was not in the chamber that he would be glad to answer any question. To this Mir. Spooner replied that the committee would be glad to get in- formation from the Senator on tne question and that he should be glad to do so.
 "of course" retorted MT. Beveridge, T cannot give the Senator informa- tion, nor can anybody else"
 He then added: Well. I might but the Senator does not think so."
 MT. Beveridge closed the incident by remarklng that it might be we'll to postpone action until the Supreme Court had pronounced on the sub- ject.
 But there seems to be here" he ad- ded, "a junior Supreme Court with a desire to relieve the Supreme Court of the United states of constitutional questions and the Senate of all con stitutional responsibility and above all, I think this practice is extremely dan- gerous.''
 He continued his speech until | o'clock when the Senate adjourned un- til tomorrow.