The San Francisco call., 1907-06-02

Apranam huels living up ae tne 0I
Francis.
o.-This talk with Ruef-what did
he say about itf Ale said he
would arrange it-arrange the fights
regarding those clubs. Then after
ward he formed a trust, and think
possibly the trust-you asked me that
before-possiblyI am not positive
thought afterward-I think the trust
probably arranged dates for the other
clubs after we arranged for different
club dates like the Amateur associa-
ton had charge of their own small
lights They had certain nights-we
had never one moro wrod to say about
1T, one way or the other. I think they
did then notify tho chief Of police; he
had to attend to matters: they all
knew the dates and that washed my
hands OF the whole thing.
Q.-You fellows had to recommend
back to the board the passage of q
resolution granting those permits to
sir.
Q.-Who prepared that resolution
Al suppose Ruef must have prepared
1t. Ruef had charge of the business;
all really I had to do was with the
Amateur association.
Q.-As chairman of the committee
You reported the resolutionf A--Yes.
Q.-You got the resolution from
Ruef did you? Alt must have come
from him
Q.-Do you recolect about It? A.
I am pretty positive. Now, / tell you,
I don't know whether 1t came up-was
handed directly to me by Ruef, or
whether Ruef may have given 1t to
Gallagher-whether they did with 1t as
great many resolutions-come in and
you find a resolution pertaining to
committee lying on your desk 1t may
have been done that way. I wouldn't t
want to swear to that. I am not posi-
tive. It might have been laid on my
desk.
Q.-When 1t was laid on your desk,
you understood that was program A.
Yes. It was program. Very few reso-
lutions put In through the board. /
don't think put In over three or four,
and probably that was the only one for
Ruef.
Q.-This granted the IL permits to
one club--12 permits for one year for
professional fights to one club? A.
The trust we called 1t; one club.
Q.-Do you know who the members
of the trust were7 A--No, do not.
At the time-in fact. did not know; in
fact, quite a while afterward. even
the names of the different clubs or
some of the managers; I got list of
some OF the CLUBS.
Q.-After this permit had been
granted, did Jim Gallagher hand you
your money? A.-Yes, sir.
Q.-How much? A.-You know what
the amount was; you gave 1t to me
the other day. Do you remember how
much 1t was?
Q-You mean the talk you had with
me Sunday at Palo Alto? A.-Yes, sir,
denied several tinses having talk
with YOU My memory failed me the
other day, but I am willing to go on
oath for the amount you gave me, $475.
Q.-Do you recall the fact that there
was kick among some of them about
Gallagher holding out per cent of 1t ?
1t was $500, and he held out per cent.
which made it s475; that was the way
that came about. Do you remember
that kick among some of them? A.
Something, some kick or something
said.
Q.-Now. then, you understand that
money came for the fight trust, don't
you? Al understood 1t afterward.
l didn't understand it or any of those
things-nothing given out beforehand;
IL they were talked of they were talked
of at caucuses.
Q.-Did you attend caucuses after the
first Of the year? After the first
month, did you attend those Sunday
caucuses? Al attended, think. three
as near as I can recollect. / am not
positive exactly about the dates, but
went to two or three, possibly four,
when we first organized and met in the
mayors Office; then attended one later
on quite a while afterward, and that
was when I was going to put through
an ordinance prohibiting the riding of
passengers on the outside Of cars and
on the tenders. I attended that for
this reason. I thought possibly there
might be an objection to holding the
company responsible as well the
people, but it went through all right
Q.-Did you vote for the gas fixing.
gas rates in 1906, along about Febru-
ary, 1905, at IS cents? A.-Yes. sir.