Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1907-01-04
INQUIRY into i. P.
AND S. ?. RELATION
Interstate Commerce Commits
sion Trying to Find Out
What They Are.
E. H. HARTMAN WAS EXCUSED
Because of Illncss--Alcx Mill;u, Sec
rotary of the -Four Pncihcs"
Gave Evidence.

New York. Jan. 4.--When the in
quiry by the Interstate commercc COM
mission to determine whether the
Southern Pacific and Union Pacific
railway systems are natural and actual
competitors. or whether there IS an
agreement between them which con-
st!tutes restraint of trade opened to-
day, counsel for the Union Pacific
company announce that President
Hartman would be unable TO appear
before the commission for 10 days or
more on account of ill-health follow
ing an operation. He said that Mr..
Hartman could testify at his own
house If the commission desired. He
urged, however that the taking Of Mr..
Harriman's testimony be postponed.
Mr.. Hartman was excused from at
tending at this time
Chairman Knapp and Commissioners
Lane and Harlan are acting for the
full commission in taking testimony.
1t was the general understanding
today that after sitting In this city
today and tomorrow the commission
ers would proceed to Chicago To take
further testimony
Frank b. Kellogg and c. A. Sew
erance. attorneys of st. Paul, are APP
Fearing as the legal Representatives
of the commission. Robert S. I.ovett
appeared as counsel for the Union
Pacific William d. Cornish, vice
president of the Union Pacific: w. ".
S. Thorne, direotor of purchases, Alex
ander Miller, secretary: William Mahl.
controller, all of the Union Pacific
system, were present today as wit
ncsses.
Mr.. Lovett of counsel for the Union
Pacific, said Mr.. Hartman would he
able to give his testimony in the regu-
lar form later The commission will sit
in Chicago Wednesday next said
Chairman Knapp. "Will Mr. Hartman
be able to appear then and there?"
NO. sir" said counsel.
without designating q specific date
for further inquiry on this subject
said Chairman Knapp the commission
will accept the excuse offered for the
nonappearance of Mr. Hartman, and
as there is no desire to press matters
at this time he will he excused for the
present"
The first witness sworn was Secy
Millar of the Union Pacific. He said in
response to questions by Mr.. Kellogg
that he Is also secretary of tie South
ern Pacific railway and of the Oregon
Snort isluc, ana dSSlSldIll SECRETARY VI
the Oregon Railway e. Navigation COM
pany.
is it not a fact that all these COM
panies are under the same control?
Have they not the same president. e.
II. Hartman. and the same vice presi-
dent, Mr.. Cornish?"
Yes, SIR
Mr.. Millar was asked whether the
Union Pacific owned stock in the Oc-
cidental and Oriental Steamship COM
pany. He said 1t did The Southern
Pacific. he said owned the Morgan
Steamship lines.
Counsel for the commission then Of
fered in evidence the lists of directors
and of the executive committee and
cific railroads, There also w@s offered
in evidence a statement showing that
the Oregon Short Line voted a major
ity of the stock at each meeting of
the Southern Pacific since April IS,
1898.
secy MilIar would not admit the
statement was correct, saying he did
not Keep the books. The statement
went on, however, under stipulation II
counsel.
The bylaws of the Union Pacific.
Southern Pacific, the oregon Short
Line and the oregon Railway and
Navigation company Were next offered
III eNiuehce' me lour So!Hpauiss were
generally referred to during the prog
ress of the hearing as the -four Pa
cities"
so. W S. Thorne and A. *. vande-
vanter appeared as directors of the
Southern Pacific but not of the Union
Pacific" said the attorney.
WHO are they?"
Mr.. Thorne is director OF purchases
of the four companies and Mr.. Vande-
venter Is assistant treasurer of the
Southern Pacific company"