The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1907-03-19
tious handling of the experts yester-
day.
jerome Is Insistent.

When Mr.. Jerome came to the &c
tion relating to dementia praecox,
paranoia ana other diseases, he became
insistent. DR.. Jelliffe had declared
Ihaw was not suffering from any NJ
the previously mentioned diseases.
Now doctor, does that classification
as to paranoia, etc., contain the disease
from which H. K. t. was suffering?'
asked MIR. Jerome.
II have already said I believed he
was suffering from some sort of insan-
ity. 1t could have been anyone of a
number of forms. 1t is impossible 10
say which,"
Did he. in your opinion, suffer from
any one of the forms here enumer-
ated?"
1T is possible he was suffering from
dementia praecox."
WAS hep
There are not enough facts in this
question for me to do more than guess
and 1 am guessing the best L can"
What about paranoia?' asked tue
district attorney.
ITO the best of my belief" replied
DR.. Jelliffe, :. H. K. T. was suffering a
paranoiac state of insanity.
What particular form of insanity
was the subject of the paranola stata?
There is not enough information In
to determine"
was it circular insanity?"
1T may have been-yes.
WAS it %
.'I have answered the best 1 car -
The chapter on paranoia brought
out long wrangle between the dis
trict attorney and the witness.
''Paranoia is very broad term.
said DR.. Jelliffe, authors use 1t diff
ferently 1 don't know what you mean
by it and you may not know what
mean. H. K. T. may have been suf-
fering from what is here described as
acute paranoia."
rs it your opinion he was"
81 have told you many times, Mr..
Jerome" said DR.. Jelliffe, that the
hypothetical question does not con-
tain enough facts to base any positive
opinion upon. I can do no more than
/ have DONE"
Brain Storms Again.
"Do you know of any writer's on
brain storms?''
what do you mean?" queried the
witness in reply.
81 don't know" said the district at
torney, "I borrow the phrase from the
learned DIR. Evans.
"There are several instances, went
on Dr. Jelliffe, "of explosive out
breaks described by medical writers
which are similar to the case under
discussion Dr. Jelliffe went on to
cite some of these cases and soon he
and the district attorney were in the
midst of a war of words.
DIR. Jelliffe would break in before
Mr. Jerome had finished question
him finish an answer.
81 am trying to cite cases which are
similar to the one under discussion
and while I am answering don't
want to be met with your sophistry
You won't" said Jerome. but 1
want to tell you that If this is going
to develope into a talking match
can go as far as you, can
The witness said in almost every
case of paranoia there are delusions.
in nf X
T. ?'.'' -s sge
"'I think So
What delusions? p"
"Delusions of persecution"
SWhere?"
I'm the will in which he bequeathed
large sums of money for the prose-
cution of any one who might cause his
death. Then there is the fact that he
carried revolver"
But said Jerome, suppose 1t was
true that some one was attempting
to kill him. it would not be delusion
then, would it %
Does this question prove" replied
the witness. hotly. that some one was
looking for H K. T. with hypo-
thetical-I mean. pistol?'
Justice Fitzgerald Joined in the gen.
eral laughter.
Mr.. DeImas objected repeatedly to
District Attorney Jerome's course in
the cross examination. but Justice
the defense.
Dr.. JelIiffe went into long discus
sion in answer to question by Mr..
Jerome as to the coherency of Thaw's
moves on the Madison Square Garden
the night of the tragedy.
The ''Buxom Brunette"
Mr.. Jerome and DR.. Jelliffe spent
many minutes discussing whether it
was coherent for one person to want
to introduce "a buxom brunette" to
another and referring to Thaw's con-
Versation with James Clinch Smith.
81 don't think such a conversation"
said DR.. Jelliffe, ''is what one would
expect between gentlemen
Il said nothing about gentlemen"
said Jerome; I'VE are not trying this
The insane period prior to the
tragedy, DIR. Jelliffe said, was about
two years and a half. He thought
that Thaw was insane when he wrote
the letters which are in evidence, when
he made the will and codicil. and
when he married Evelyn Nesbit. In
doubtedly there had been rational in
tervals during the course of Thaw's
mental sickness.
The physical examinations in the
Tombs made by Doctors Wagner and
Evans were gone over carefully. Then
came the actual events Immediately
preceding and succeeding the shoot
ing. DIR. Jelliffe replied to questions
regarding Thaws knowledge of what
he was doing on the night of the homf-
eide. to the effect that in his opinion
Thaw had an insane knowledge at the
time He also said that Thaw doubt
less remembered what Miss Nesbit
told him in Paris. The fact that a
man had good memory for such
things was by no means a sign that a
man was sane.
Doctor" said Mr.. Jerome, "did you
ever see an insane man at work in
shop"
Il have seen many insane men max
ing rugs. 1 remember one man who
as he passed the tool back and forth
among the cords kept repeating, III
kill him, I'll kill him. I'll kill him.
Did he know what he was doing?
"I think so. But it is my opinion he
also thought he was killing some one