The Birmingham age-herald., 1907-06-11
CONSPIRACY BY MINERS
 ENEMIES DEFENSE'S LINE
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CONTINUED FROM PAGE ID Orchard said it was planned to blow up the depot before the arrival of the train. This was arranged to save the trainmen. And you didn't intend to blow up any body but just this depot, which was sim ply a stopping place without agent or anybody there?'
 "Yes, sir, we intended blowing up the non-union men who took the train there. "Why did you want to save the train men?' asked Richardson, with signih- cant inflexion.
 sherman Parker said that one of the men on the train had been a good wit ness for him in the trials, and he did not want him hurt"
 But this was the same train you felt sore about not being selected to wreck?' ''Yes sir"
 Blow Up Depot.
 Orchard denied that he had talked to Railroad Detective Scott about the plans to blow up the depot and save the train. IIe also denied that it was on Scott s account he agreed to save the train. You expected to kill fifty men that night?"
 T didn't know how many"
 You thought the more the merrier, didn't you?'
 "I wasn't thinking about it."
 You didn't care whether 1t was one or 100, did you?"
 q wasn't thinking about it." repeated the witness sulenly.
 Attorney Richardson asked Orchard to make a pencil sketched of the Independ- ence depot, the railroad track In which he ran after the explosion.
 The witness promptly complied draw ing q diagram with steady hand. orchard said that after the explosion he went to Denver with Johnny Nevill, and the latters 14-year-old son.
 Reaching Denver, Orchard went to Jack Simpsons room. James Kirwin now acting seeretary-treasurer of the West ern Federation of Miners was there but went out before the Independence affair was discussed. Haywood and Pettibone came in later and said with Simpson that it had been fine job.
 Had they given you any instructions about the affair.""
 No sir
 What did they say?"
 Cut Things Loose.
 ''IIaywood asked how much money l wanted. He said not to take too much; that I could get more at any time l wanted it."
 "There had been no arrangement in advance to pay you single dollar Tor this affair, had there?'
 ''I expected to get dollar, yes sir. Orchard said there was no particular agreement about the Independence depot. he blew it up as part of his general in- structons to "go ahead and cut things loose''
 After reporting in Denver about the Independence explosion, Orchard said he and the Nevills started on camping and hunting trip in Wyoming. He got Petit hone to buy him the outfit, Including fishing and hunting tackle and arms. Pettibone, who was in business, had told him he could get the goods cheaper. When you left for Wyoming, it was your purpose to locate there wasn't it? "Yes," Orchard said. He told his Colo rado wife that he would write to her Asked if the Pinkertons had taken care of her since that time, Orchard said he didn't know of it.
 During the Cripple Creek strike she drew relief money as a miners wife. She also got other money than the relief Or chard asserted.
 To Buy a Ranch.
 Orchard said Haywood had promised to buy him a ranch when he got through in Colorado He thought the promise was made at the time he went to Denver to bodyguard Mover on his trip to Ouray. Didn't you make enough of an im- pression to fix the time indelibly upon your mind?'
 No"
 Had you ever had enough money to buy a ranch?"
 Yes"
 "When?"
 Tn Canada"
 Was this the money you collected on the cheese factory you burned?'
 "Yes"
 'Then you had committed arson before you burned Neville's saloon near lnde- pendence?"
 'Id done it, yes"
 h. Ia oh fnH tory near Brighton, Ont. He was 2S or 20 years old at the time. His first crime he believed, was weighing cheese up short"
 Orchard had said earlier in this exami- nation that up to the time he left Can ada he had never been charged with a serious crime.
 Orchard was being questioned further eabout his experience in Wyoming when the luncheon recess until 1:30 in the afternoon, was ordered
 Orchard had testified previously that he sent Pat Moran from Cheyenne to Denver to get $500 from Pettibone. Today Or chard said he had not met Pat Moran un- ail he went to Cheyenne. Asked why he sent for that money Orchard said he had decided to go to California, instead of locating in Wyoming. Orchard said there could be no mistake about Pat Moran. He was a saloon keeper and the only -ll worked for Pettibone and the latter had told Orchard to call on Moran if he stopped off in Cheyenne.
 Moran, according to dispatches from Cheyenne, has denied that he ever went on the errand for Orchard. The witness said he gave Moran $10 for making the trip The man brought back the money in package and with it letter from Pettibone.
 Occur d'AIene Troubles.
 Orchard told of meeting W. F. Davis in Cheyenne. Davis, he said, had been involved in the Occur D'Alene and Grip pie Creek troubles. Davis wanted to go along with Orchard and the two Nevilcs to Cody.
 I've didn't take him. because he was too well known" said Orchard.
 '1Ie was not any bigger criminal than you were was he?" suggested Richard son.
 ''He was known to be a bigger one at that time" the witness calmly replied Arriving in Cody. Orchard said he lost all of his money-more than $500 in Hail S gambling house. He borrowed $50 from f Hall and returned to Denver. This was