The San Francisco call., 1907-02-22


Had you come to a fun understanding of the
INFAMOUS character of Whites ectf
Yes, but not so much l have now"
let Il was this that induced your renuncia-
uon OF Thaw's great lover
Delmas objected 10 what he thought q sneer-
Ing question. Jerome denied any such thing.
DO you use the word 'rennnciation' sincere
ly asked Delmas
IF If this story Is true. / DO" said Jerome.
Never In the history
I renew my objection" interrupted Delmas.
do you mean to tell me the story IS not
trues" asked Jerome Of Delmas. That's the
only reason you can object
Justice Fitzgerald sustained the objection
Did you refuse Thaw beeshse Of the occur
renee with White?' asked Jerome.
Because I had been found out"
Who told you you had been caguhtf"
Friends Of Stanford White"
so IT was not because Of the occurrence, but
because you had been found outT'
HER FIRST PROPOSAL
1T was both together I had an instinct
first proposal ever had. and 1t all struck me
very seriOesly Il all came together"
done you at the time of your rav&hmenti''
II didn't know anything about it at the time.
woke up. didn't understand what had taken
place"
.'It outraged every masdsniy instinct IN you,
1T did, ana that 1. why Quarreled with
You were very bitter against White when
''Not then"
when you felt you were giving up Thaw's
love. you did not feel bitter against Winter"
Not until Mr.. Thaw made realize IT.
logneY'
Yes"
Did you stin feel bitter against white9''
'It was a feeling Of ennity against your raw
ishment7'
Il wouldn't say enmity-it was hostility
against him for this one thing and subsequent
''Whst subsequent thingsy"
Things with Stanford White
Were they improper and indecent?"
'I don't know what you would call them"
You still were thinking of these things when
you wrote White from Boulogne?"
Yes and of his extraordinary personality"
His personality had softened the feeling, had
it?'' asked Jerome.
''Then why did you write that letter to
white7" demanded Jerome lereely.
Because my mother would give me no peace
she made this reply.
You were coerced into writingi"
YES l was Ny mother said l was un-
grateful to Mr.. White and things like that
JEROME ALLUDES TO MOTHER
Had you any occasion to doubt the chastity
4 never thought of my mother in that way =
Mrs. Thaw stamped her foot
did you tell your mother of your ravish-
ment while abroadf
How do you know Stanford Whites friends
knew of your relation with white?"
Zone OF them saw with him at the East
Twenty-second street studio"
WAS there any impropriety therel So you
continued to maintain relations with White after
your ravishment?"
Thaw buried his face in HIS hands. Tears
were in Mrs Thaw's eyes.
Jerome demanded the name OF the man who
had seen her at the studio. He asked the wit
Delmas wanted it publicly announced. Justice
might be given TO counsel, the court and the
IBID you tell Harry Thaw about these sub
ssquent relations7"
And you didn't think to tell Us only in our
direct examinationf"
.-csn you tx dates as to these subsequent
eventsI",
How ala you know this man knew Of your
ssHe saw me in the bedroom under the
studio.'
mot sitter January, 1902
~sTUDIOsn AND TOWER
where dad these things occurr'
AT the Twenty street and Twenty
fourth street studios and in the tower
Ibid you go Of your own aeeordf
81 objected to going.
''why did you gof''
''I had to-"
twas your mother backf'
.'Did she meet you after the theaterT'
mot that night
when White came to the thsater that night
s:He did not come to the theater. He wrote
me; he met me afterwsrd,
why did you 90 with him z,
Because be insisted
And you did not want TO goT
~ wanted to go to supper
Jerome continued to press the witness for de-
tails. After several questions be asked her why
she did not tell her mother Of these occurrences.
''I was afraid. He made me swear never to
tell her." replied the witness
WHITE GAVE HER WINE
Continuing Mrs Thaw admitted that White
gave her wine that night and that she was
slightly intoxicated
She was rapidly losing her self-possession, and
as Jerome continued TO ply her with delicate
questions she broke down and wept; -
I'VE might take recess; the witness
ne1mas objected. IF there is to be a recess
it's not to be on account Of the witness think
she viii be able to 90 on
Mrs Thaw wiped her eyes several times and
Strengthened up. Jerome proceeded;
when you returned to your home you felt you
had been wrongedr
Were you under the influence of liquor then r.
The next mOrninF. did you tell your mOther7'
mo I could not"
Mrs. Thaw told OF several other like incidents,
the same. She said on each occasion she was
given much wine and was slightly intoxicated.
On occasion did she Yield willingly.
do you know DR.. Carlton FlintT'
No
ssDid you ever consult himr'
II don't remember"
''Did you ever go to a doctor with manf'
"Yes. with Mr.. Thaw once"
Ever with any one elseT'
with Mr.. White"
"Did you ever 60 to doctors office with
Jack Bsrrymorer
Never
Didn't you go with him to DR.. Flint in 1901
or 19O2T'
II never did"
when YOU went to Paris In 1908 you told
Mr. Thaw all this7' asked Jerome returning
TO the relationship with White.
IL did"
.'Did he express himself fOrcibiyf"
Ibid he characterize white as wrong, wicked
and deserving punishment"
Yes
did you then think the acts as bad as he
saidf''
IL do not know"
at seemed awful to your"
at was the worst thing that ever happened
10 me-"
MOTHER MADE HER WRITE
.'Then why did you write Mr.. White from
because my mother made me-"
"why had you not told your mother about all
this?'
Il could not"
you had rather write TO this great brute,
this monster as you believed him, than tell