The Washington times. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1902-1939, 1907-02-19
Again Discussed Pie-Giri.

OF the men at the stag dinner. or sup
PERI
A.-No. 1 don't think so then. Later
remember SSlling him who was there.
Odd the subject Of the pie dinner
come up again? And was a subsequent
story told TO you?
Ayes; while we were at the Hotel
St Regis, in 1904. There were three or
four more in the party. Tne story was
brought up, and this man told Mr..
Thaw about the trouble with the paper
that insisted on printing the story. That
Mr.. White got down on his knees and
begged the owner not TO print Il. But
ne did.
Q.-What paper was it?
A.-The New York American and Jour
Q.-TeiI US when you next talked Of it?
Alt was in Pittsburg, after our mar
1Hge- heard that the Sirl, was mar
rted and that her husband. learning of
the facts. sent her away. She appealed
10 Stanford White when she was in
want, but he would not DO anything for
her. I heard that the poor girl died in
misery and poverty.
Betrayed Many Girls.
Q.-what did Mr. Thaw say about the
girls who had been ruined by Stanford
White?
Ale talked about it many times
inter our marriage, He said that Stan
ford White should be in the pen. that's
where he should be. l said: What can
1 dO2 ! cannot tell about myself 1
cannot make n public scandal He said
! should do everything / could l kept
repeating that the penitentiary was the
only place for White. He said that
white had ruined many girls. not only
girls of the stage. but pure aud inno-
cent kris of good families. lie told
me that Mr.. White. when he got tired
II girl. would cast her aside and leave
tary.
Mr.; DeImas then handed her a letter
when dealt with the report made 10
Anthony COmstock, Of Whites alleged
criminal acts II was marked for
Identification.
This ended the direct examination
DSlInas then announced that the dis
trict attorney could begin his cross
examination.
Secretly Tells Jerome Names.
While Evelyn Nesblt Thaw was telling
the story of the pie-girl District At
torney Jerome had occasion to get from
her in secret the names Of the several
men who were present at the dinner
one OF the names the witness guarded
closely, reckoning Jerome very closely
TO her and holding her hands around her
mouth while whispering the name into
MS ear. Her husband sat staring at
her while she related her story. Be
fore she was excused Mr.. Delmas read
the letter TO Mr.. CnmstOck II described
in detail the house at % West Twenty
fourth street. as the House Of Orgies.
whe.e American girls are ruined.
'WOrkmcn outside have heard girls
scrcams-probably girl Of fifteen, and
always an American"
There is a heavy oak door, like a
gambling house door. on the outside
and secret stairs and secret doors in the
upper part of the house. There Is an
umbrella and swing in a room on the
top fioor.
An old man can be seen coming along
with another Of these rich old criminals
and q nttecn-year-Old girl
In a room on the top floor is a small
door which slides and exposes a small
room, with a picture Of a naked woman.
There IS another place at No. -
street, which IS lust as bad If not
worse. 1t is owned by II viii not read
the name, said Mr.. Delmas). The place
IN West Twcntv-fOUTth street was dis
nantled three years ago, after the trou-
Die with the pie girl
Turned Over to Jerome.
Here Mr.. Delmas. following the letter
II the letter, asked Mrs. Thaw these
questions preparatory to turning her
over 90 Mr.. Jerome for crOss-examina-
Lon:
GIN the description which Mr. Thaw
gave you of the practices forced upon
these young girls by Mr.. White. were
here any unnatural practices men
toned.
Ayes
Q.-Can you describe them?
A--No; they are unspeakable.
Mrs. Thaw uttered this last answer in
disgust.
You may crOss-eXamine, said Mr.
Delmas again.
Il wish to reserve my cross-examina-
Ion Gntil | determine whether il would
~ OF importance To the case" said
Jerome
Mrs. Catherine Caine was called by
Oelmas- DO you know Harry X. ThaG
and Evelyn Thaw?
Al have known Mrs Thaw about
six years and Mr.. TAaw about three.
do you know the mother Of Mrs.
Thaw2
Ayes. for about six years.
ON 1902 did you hear Harry X.
Ihaw and the mother Of Evelyn Nesbit
Thaw talk about the contemplated mar
rage of the two
AIR. Thaw offered Mrs. Nesbit a
cretain amount Of money for herself,
providing Florence would marry him.
Q.-Wcre YOU present in this city on
certain occasion at theater with Mr..
ihaw and Evelyn Nesbit?
Ayes, il was in December or Jam
nary before they were married. ii was
At Days Theater. We had a boX-the
SECOND one on the right Stanford
White came into a box directly opposite
as. He was with two young men
Q.-What change did you notice in
he appearance of Mr. Thaw when Mr..
White made his entrance?
Jerome Grows Indignant.
Jerome objected on the grounds that
The question was evading. He grew very
indignant and reframed the question in
he way he say 1t should be asked.
Q.-What did yon notice in regard TO
Mr.. Thaw?
A.-When he looked at the box where
Mr. White was he grew very pale; his
eyes bulged, his wife. Miss Nesbit.
mean, told him she would leave the
;heater unless he took his eyes from
he box. This lasted until White himself
got up and left the theater
CrOss-eXamination by Jerome
Q--How long did the defendant remain
n the house this first time you saw
lin?
A--Not very long he talked with
Mrs. Nesbit and / could not hear Il all
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