New-York tribune., 1907-08-02
SAYS HARTMAN ERRS.
FISH DOUBTS HIS WORD.
WhO Ozcns More Illinois Central
St0ck?- Do" Say Both.

E. H. Hartman and stuyvesant Fish. whom
Mr. Hartman ousted from the presidency of the
Illinois Central, differed yesterday over the own
ership Of the stock of that road.
The trouble arose over a statement given OJt
by Mr.. Fish, announcing his position at the
next annual meeting Of the Illinois Cent'a!
stockholders. in which he said NJ. Hartman
owned only 130 shares OF Illinois Central stock,
against 12452 held by himself. When this state
ment shown TO Mr. Hartman, just as he
leaving his office yesterday afternoon. he
said:
Il have been the largest stOckhOlder in Hi
nois Central ever since l have been in the COM
pany. and Mr.. Fish knows it
When this told 10 Mr.. Fish. his face
flushed, and he fairly shouted: IF he made that
statement he lies and you can put It down that
l said So" He refused to say if he had included
the stock owned by the Union Pacific in his
estimate of the stock owned by Mr.. Hartman
but said that the figures We're taken from the
books of the company and We're correct.
Mr.. Hartman had not seen Mr.. Fish's state
ment when he was met by Tribune reporter
as he was leaving his office for his home yes
terday afternoon The first statement he MADE
on seeing the reporter was, Il am not going 10
say any more foolish things" and he thereupon
started for the elevator. on the way down the
reporter showed him the statement already re
ferred to. and. after glancing at 1T. he made the
assertion already quoted in regard to his holG-
ings.
Il own moro shares of stock than MI Fish
several times over" he added and he knows IT.
But what OF it, Mr.. Fish has said lots of
things lately that were not" Here Mr.. Harrl-
man paused q moment and then continued
well were not just right However. 1 am not
pf
to know anything about that go TO Mr. Harahan
or Mr. Hackst aft; they can tell you all about It.
Ny interest is in Union Pacific and am de-
voting all my energies TO making II good-keep-
ing II good" he corrected himself.
Mr. Hartman had by this time reached the
entrance 10 the Wall street station Of the sub
way and lust as he was about to hurry down
the reporter asked, when you say you are the
largest holder of Illinois Central stock do you
mean your individual holdings. or does thaI
include the stock owned by the CilloH 'O''1O
and your friends?"
Never mind what I mean" snapped Mr. Har-
riman. as he disappeared down the subway
stems.
Mr. Ftsh's statement in full follows. He de-
clined to arnplfy II in any way or TO state
how many proxies he had received
Within the Inst few days quite a number Of stock
holders of the Illinois Central Railroad Company
have sent me their proxies to vot" at the next an
ruol meeting 10 be held in Chicago on Wednesday
0ctobe- Is Others have written ne on the sub
fect Being unable to reply promptly TO cach. l
;ak. mis- opportunfty TO say what my position is:
on November I 1876. tho several directors OF the
company held shares therein as follows
John Jacob As,or 800 500 FL IL H@rTman isS h
5aa2e: Chan Apfs%io'' g. Ea.5s5
s92gs.aa smss P '" FISH sS''ns @ James Fs': e Wiling
J T Harahan....... IA TotsI .............. 80 40
60 far as I know the holdings Of the others have
not changed materially since thar time and mine
have IN particular. as still own and hold
the saue certificates for the same i2.452 shares
The directors whose terms expire this autumn
are Mr.. Astor. MI Hartman and myself whose
successors Will be elected for terms OF four years
4 fourth director will have to be elected by the
stockholders for a term Of one year In the place
Of John {. yelling, deceased
l long since reached the conclusion that. although
owe a great deal TO the stockholders for the
trust which they had for more than twenty years
reposed IN me the holder OF their proxies. they
could not ask to offer myself as a candidate for
election this time. Nor am i disposed 20
make any effort procure proxies In view
however of the letters and proxies which have
already reached me- entirely without solicitation
on my part do feel bound, II possible. 10 attend
the stockholders meeting, and shall after hearing
what may be brought out thereat. vote my own
shares and such proxies may be confded to me-
in the best interest Of tho owners OF the whole
capital stock
shall also ir all probability, explain as clearly
as I can 10 the stockholders what has been going
IN In the conduct of the company's business dur
ing the last twelve months. and show Them TO
what extent their board of directors Is and has
been controlled by those OF It's number VINO are
also directors OF tho Union Pacific Railway Com
pany.
The cnpitaI stock of the Illinois Central Rail-
road Company authorized and outstanding.
amounts to SIO5 Oi0 600 consisting OF $lO.oOo.-
GOO i per cent guaranteed lease line" stock,
mar value 500 and S95.o400o0 common stocn.
par value 500. or a total of 1.O30,4oo shares