The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1906-06-22
HHAYVR ON CAR SUPPLIES.
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The fnails nntned viii tho coHl and oil In
diisi rios. Their intentions wete made
khopn last werk a. Tho whrr presidents,
whn alao drrlded n decihe the Invitation
~ The Federal body,
Chairman Knapp announced NJ tho oIen-
Ing ~ the hearing to-day that the arsalon
WIS held principally Tor tho purpuar ~
enabling all the Eastern bituminons roads
which have l-en under Investigation "a
make any statement ar submit any testi-
mony which they might desire TO present.
Thomas Patterson, counsel for the Penn
sylyania, said that that company desired
10 In heard. q T. Patterson, assistant
general solicitor Of the Pennsylvania, read
a statement showing that the estimated
weights and actual weights of coal handled
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Coal Company varied only slightly.
Fourth vice-President Thayer Of the
Pennsylvania then took the stand. He was
questioned by General Counsel Thomas
Patterson IA to car supplies. He reiter-
ated that II Ia the intention Of h company
TO require the surrender Of all individual
cars. That policy will be put into effect
early In the new year. President Cassatt
had ordered the abolition Of the practice
prior to his departure for Europe, some
weeks ago, but the enforcement Of that
order had been temporarily suspended,
Mr.. Thayer testified that the basic prin-
ciple Of car distribution was to take the
ratings Of the mines as one factor. Their
commercial capacity, he continued, based
on the tonnage We nave taken for certain
periods Ia another factor to arrive at the
proper percentage, and then, in the dis
tribution OF the ca n, the individual car and
the car which is furnished for fuel I or the
railroad company is counted against that
ca pa city. That is the method which was
pra ctioally put into effect in November last
in some of the regions and in January
last, finally in all Of the regions. This was
a matter Of gradual progress and not a
matter Of sudden change said the witness,
Mr.. Thayer testified that il would be
difficult to invent a method under a system
where the use Of individual cars is permitted
when determinations or preferences could
be prevented. That is why we van to do
away with the individual cars"
There Is nothing underhanded In our
method Of car distribution" said General
Transportation Superintendent Trump, who
,ro. .,o1lal nrAn tp aynlotp tho tactiprnnu
of Mr.. Thayer. IF any flaws can be picked
in our methods we would like TO have it
done for our own information"
THE systesl you have adopted is I'M
doubleday all right" INTERCEPTED Commits
sioner Cockrell.
At the request Of Commissioner Cockrell
Mr.. Trump promised to submit a state
ment showing the distribution OF cars for
coal region traversed by the Pennsylvania
lines.
Mr.. Thaver said that all rating sheets
are accessible to all c%onsigners, but not
to the c%onsignees. He said that OPP
mine rating or car distribution of COM
peting operators, but this was denied by
Mr.. Glasgow, who claimed that operators
have complained to the commission that
this information is withheld by the Penn
SYlVdUld. MI. lIdyti ucSllhcu lildl D.
1900 to 1904 the Pennsylvania built on it's
lines east Of Pittsburg 1877 new sidings. In
some cases the road paid the expense Of
building these sidings and in others the
expense was shared withtthel operators.
at has been asserted, saidlGeneral Coun-
cars were denied certain operators, while
they were supplied to others, Is that true?"
1T is not, replied Mr.. Thayer.
He then went on to say that there were
no determinations in the period in ques-
ton, and that the road provided facilities
to the best Of it's ability.
There were some men in the coal region
who were DESTROYS OF making shipments
for speculation purposes. We left them
out OF our calculations" said the witness.
"Of course, we gave the preference to the
operators with whom we had contracts
Commissioner Clements made the state
ment at this point that a number Of oper-
ators who had contracts with the Pennsyl-
vania did not get cars during the coal famine.
Special Counsel Glasgow mentioned the
names OF a number Of such operators, all
Of whom Witness Thayer admitted to be
owners Of legitimate concerns.
Among them was the Donohoe Coal and
Coke Company, which has filed suit against
the Pennsylvania for non-fulflment OF
contract, but the witness said it was a
matter for proof whether they had a con-
tract.
A series Of questions was then put by
special counsel desi gned to show that owners
OF individual ca rs were favored to the pre-
judice OF those who do not such cars.
Frank Hoff, chief accountant in the Office
Of the general manager OF the Pennsylvania
Railroad, was asked regarding bis meeting
in New York last week with Chief Clerk
Boyer, who was recently dismissed on
graft charges. Mr.. Hoff said that he ven
to zee Boyer at Bowers request. He denied
that the railway officials knew Of his visit.
In reply to the usual question OF Govern
ment's counsel, Mr., Hoff said that he once
received some shares OF coal mining stock
as a gift, but that he had returDed IT..
How long ago?" counsel asked.
About two months ago
Since this investigation began, wasn't
it?r interjeoted Chairman Knapp sharply.
at was said Mr.. Hoff.
The witness said further that he owned a
one-sixth interest In some undevelored coal
properties near Kisko Junction. The coal
shares which Mr.. Hoff returned were given
to him, he said, by Mr.. Miller, president OF
the Standard Moshannon Mines. He said
that he returned then because they did not
appear to nave much value, and he added
that he would not nave paid anything for
them in any event. Mr.. Miller, he said,
was IAN old friend
Mr.. Thayer was again called 10 the stand
and was asked by Commissioner Clements
IL he did not think the ownership Of coal
property by railroad officials formed a
condition filed with such temptations to do
wrono that the condition should he abol-