The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1906-08-30

some one else In mind retorted Colby.
This caused considerable applause, and it
was five minutes before Hillery was able
to straighten out his statement. Hillery
explanations about measures which he
had supported or had not supported. He
was asked if the machine OF Morris was
against him.
what do you mean by a machine?'
asked Senator, Hillery.
and the Morris man didn't answer; he simply
replied that he beat everything in sight
for the Office. Senator Colby also told
about being under boss Lentz and fighting
Mayor Pagan in 1904.
when were you converted'' aksed
4 was converted in the fall of 1905 ,
replied Senator Colby. "The bosses wanted
me to do what l didn't want to do. thought
a magic lantern and started out on a tour
showing the attitude Of the railroads to-
ward the people.
Certain tax acts were not passed last
year" the Senator continued, because it
was said the railroads would raise HE'LL
Il lave seen that remark in the papers
several times, and I would like to know
who said that?' said Senator Hillery. u,
do you want me to tell you who said
that2 II you do III do it,"
mo, never mind, said Senator Hillery.
The debate then switched around to the
Hillery maximum tax act. The Essex
Senator wanted 1t explained why the bill
received it's referendum clause In the AS
sembly after it passed the Senate. Senate.
he believed in the bin and that it was per-
fectly practicable, but the Essex Senator
refused to consider it anything but a rail-
road measure.
The question Of the taxing OF the main
Senator Colby wanted to know IL the Morris
county man would vote for q bill next year
to tax the main stem, but Senator Hiliery
said the question was too large to answer.
Last year he didn't vote for It, because
he thought II would not be good for Morris
countyetherefore he voted for the Perkins
Enthusiasm began to bubble in the III
dienoe and an indignant mai who said his
name was Graham, wanted to know why
Senator. Hillery voted to put county
at an expense OF 500, 600 a year. The an
swer. was promised at q later time. Then
Senator Colby resumed. He advocated a
popular vote for United States Senators.
he thought the present system OF the Legis-
lature in electins the Senator was rotten
because OF the money used among the
Legislators. The way Senator kean was
elected United States Senator was discussed.
Whether money was used IN his behalf
there was difference OF opinion. Senator
Colby sald he nouRn IL was used. ppt
Senator Hillery said he wouldn't think he
had any right to gay 80 mleas he had facts.
Senator Hillery was asked whether he
would vote for United States Senator Dry
den. He said he would not pledge himself.
The Essex man retorted by saying that he
didn't believe any man could play fair with
the people unless he told what he proposed
to do.
Senator Hillery then jumped in for his
rebuttal OF the debate. He began on the
organization idea, and he wanted TO know
II Senator Colby believed in 1t. Colby said
he did. Hillery e~ndeavored to show that
the New Idea organization was just like the
regular Organization snd In no respect
TRADING against the machine. He objected
to Senator Colby coming into Morris county
and trying to run things. He wanted 70
know II the mar selected for Assembly here
afhifdhed That he did not try to BULLDOGS
any q I.