The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1906-05-25
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Two elderly men caused q los ~ trouble o.
yesterdays sitting 81 the Aldermen's com
mites which Ia invest eatIng the Street
Cleaning Department. Both are In the
pame business Of making wagons and tho
handcarts which are used by the depart
ment for the gathering Of paper and litter
from the streets. The rivalry between
them led one TO call the other = liar and to
the production and sudden disappearahce
~ tho first charge Of graft In the depart
ment that has been made since the inquiry
began.
Josiah r. Day, testified that four years
g when the city advertised for bids f0A
the handcarts he offered to supply them
for 50 each, but that Thomas J, Hill a clergy
man. who was in the same line Of business,
asked for sl2 a cart and got the contract.
Day said he protested TO Mayor Low,
who gave q hearing. but that nothing ever
came Of the protest. Day said that the
hearing was attended among others by
Major Woodbury. and Deputy Street Clean
ing Commissioner Gibson. Capt. Gibson,
he said, was ordered to leave by Mayor
Low.
Il told Mayor Low" Day testified. that
Hill had informed me that he was paying a
commission Of $2,25 on each can carrier he
sold TO the city in order to get his carriers
used.
Did Mr.. Hill tell you this?' Mr.. WINS
asked.
He did" Day answered. "and he told
me he wanted to get rid OF the contract"
What a damn lie, exclaimed Mr.. Hill,
who was seated near the witness stand.
What did you say asked Day turning
Ia the direction Of Hill.
Il said you are a damn liar shouted
Hill, because | never told you any such
thing" >,
Starting up. from the witness chair and
rea ching for the. cane he used TO aid him in
walking Day shouted back: You are the
liar! You know I am telling the truth. You
old me yourself just IN l have said.
The two elderly men were on the point OF
going for each other when Mr.: Wins got
| fearlessly bet ween them and and the chair
man OF the committee ordered Mr.. Hill to
sit down. Mr.. Hill said privately that
he was not a cler gyman.
-Did Mr.. Hill ever say to whom be was
paying the commissions" Mr.. WINS asked
Day. 80
NO" replied the witness, but he left a
very strong impression" -,
Never mind your impressions, what did
he saw" Mr.. WINS insisted.
II intimated that he was paying the com
mission to Capt. Gibson and he told me also
that he was paying a royalty TO the widow
OF former Street Cleaning Commissioner
Mccartney because she claimed to be the
patentee Of the can carrier
How did you get the idea that Hill was
paving Capt. Gibson?" asked Alderman
bowling.
why, l thought so,' was the reply Of
the witness,
Hill denied that he had ever had any
such conversation with Day. He said he
had not paid commissions to Capt, Gibson
or any one else in the department, but had
paid a royalty Of 81 rs a can to Mrs Nc
Cartney, who claimed the patent for the
zinc carrier.
Later in TIE day Capt. Gibson was called.
He said that he had never received any
commissions On the purchase OF the car
riers and that he had no knowledge OF
royalties being paid to Mrs. Mccartney:
While he was about It Capt. Gibson related
how the small hand carts came to be used.
When Col, Waring was at the e OF the
Street Cleaning Department he wanted
some hand vehicles for the collection Of
litter in the streets which could not be kept
until the wagons came around Mrs.
Waring invented a carrier on two wheels
for bags. The device was afterward pat
ented and after the death Of Col. Waring
a royalty was paid to his widow. When
| Commissioner Mccartney came into office
he changed the bags to zinc carriers, but
~ Mrs. Mccartney was the inventor OF the
idea it does not appear that she ever got
any royalty from the city, whatever she
may have got fronAthe manufaotures OF
the carriers. Before he left the stand
\ Capt. Gibson said:
such gratuitous statements as were
made this morning tending to reflect on
me naturally hurt ones self pride, espe-
cially when every move and act In my
official life has been entirely for the interest
OF the city
yesterdays hearing happened when q man
who was seated at the back OF the room
rose and exclaimed:
Il nave been up all night and ! don't
want to stay here any. longer. You've
called me here and II YOU want me to testify
you will wait until you are called the
chairman Of the committee said.
aIll do nothing Of the kind. defy you.
I'm going home and you can punish me
il you like So he went. At the doorway
fist at the committee he shouted, "Punish
me: punish me-"
mittee that the man was one Of his en-
ployees, Andrew j. Lusk, a hostler and q
civil SCI NlcS thuu, AIN tliat oaui 90 VIVIAN
be made against him at onoe.
Mr.. Twins spent a part OF the day In en-
deavoring TO bring out some proof that
some one made graft out Of buying and
selling horses in the department. Treas
urer Carroll Of Fiss, Doerr a Carroll, which
buys the city's horses, said that out of
800 horses he bought for the department
between last June and December 500 were
rejected. He added that because Of the
great care used by the department the
contract was not profitable and that be
would not be sorry II some one else had 1t.
o,,onept os NaIby and His Ripper Hills