New-York tribune., 1906-03-15

hoped even Mr.. Dolliver might be brought to ,
see mat such provision was necessary.
ms statement brought the Iowa Senator to
NIs leet with the declaration that he had never
oo1ected to reasonable provision In the direc-
ton indicated. He added the oninjon that the
United States Circuit courts have jurisdiction
In interstate cases. but said his objection was
oue TO the enlargement of Jurisdiction so as to
constitute or them court OF appeals for the
Interstate Commerce Commission. He added
mat ne was not pleased with what he consid-
cred Mr.. Reyner's criticisms of the Senate Com
mittee on Interstate Commerce He declared
that the Maryland Senator had charged the
committee with perpetrating a fraud, that in
view Of these facts he thought his argument
had not tended to strengthen the cause, and
that the friends OF the bill could get on without
his help.
Mr.. Rayner emphaticaly disavowed any in
tention Of rejecting on the committee.
Mr Dolliver said he would not make especial
objection to a provision against the suspension
OF the orders OF the Interstate Commerce Com
mission II such provision could be sustained.
de added his willingness to accept amend
ment like that suggested by Mr. Bailey if it
could be enforced
NY hayner replied that he had been express
Ing Mr.. Bailey's views. and he announced that
the Democratic Senators had held conference
and had decided that they would not accept the
suspension provision Of the bill.
Mr.. Aldrich asked Mr.. Rayner about his will
llngness 10 accept amendment giving the
carrier the same protection that is given to ship
pers' and the latter replied that he would favor
a provision that would give the courts jurisdic-
tion In all cases involving the charge OF unjust
compensation. Replying TO another question
from Mr.. Aldrich. he added that he was willing
10 anord relief where rates were made too high
Then" said Mr.. Aldridge, I'VE are practically
in accord"
DEMOCRATIC AMENDMENTS.
Mr. Rayner outlined the proposed Democratic
amendments to the bill, saying they would do
| away Win the suspension provision and give the
courts the right try the question of Just COM
pensation If these provisions could be accepted
ne said the bill could be passed to-day.
Mr.. Aldrich replied that he was not prepared
10 say that he would agree to the suspension
provision and Mr.. Rayner declared that this
was the real question at issue.
Replying further. Mr.. Aldrich said he did not
want endless litigation
MI Knox thought that sixty days would be
sufficient to take any one of these cases through
the courts, while Mr.. Rayner believed that not
less than eighteen months would be necessary
for the process. and Mr.. Tillman called attention
TO the fact that there were oil cases in the fed
eral courts in Pennsylvania which have been
pending for seventeen years
Mr.. Knox said in reply TO Mr. Tillman that
he had recently received from the Pittsburg
Judge before whom these cases were brought
complaint OF the criticisms IN the Senate Of his
course The judge had said that the complain
ants had made move in the cases for two
years.
Naturally they would get tired after trying
for fifteen years" said Mr.. Tillman.
Mr.. Lodge and Mr.. Foraker took exception to
| some remarks Of Mr.. Rayner. the former TO his
advice TO the railroad officials to amend the
| BILL and MI Foraker to a reference to him and
| TO Mr Aldrich being pleased by the good
fortune Of the railroads
AIr. Rayner declared that he had no purpose
OF intimating that either Mr.. Lodge or Mr.. For
aker could be Influenced by the railroads or any
| one else to swerve one iota from his sense Of
duty as a Senator. But. he said, he did believe
that If the railroad interests would agree to do
so. they would have the suspension provision
| taken out Of the bill.
do you believe they put 1t in?" demanded Mr..
Lodge. and the Maryland Senator replied that
| he entertained no such view.
Afr. Lodge said he did not regard the question
/ as one between the railroads and anybody. II
| is q question Of great public import" he said;
! "a question which affects all the people. 1t Is
for US 10 act upon our own ~ ~ ~
| one has anything 20 say at this stage OF the
/ proceeding except the Senate lISeIL ne a4uSO
| that If he believed the bill UNCONSTITUTIONAL ne
would not vote for It,
/ Mr Foraker made especial complaint concern
I ing the reference in speeches in the Senate TO
The advocates of special interests" in this body,
! and said he had heard 1t more than once
! I want to say once for ALL" he added, that
/ 7 have no interest in any railroad, and that !
/ am not Influenced by anything except a sense OF
duty"
Mr.. Rayner reiterated his conviction that the
| Ohio Senator IS not interested IN railroads
Mr.. Foraker then spoke on the merits OF e Ihe
worth the paper IL is written on; that IL Is un-
/ constitutional on half dozen grounds ana lhat
/ if not unconstitutional II IS "a cheat ano a
/ fraud" He declared that the bill would not
1 afford relief the shippers.
/ Mr. TiIlman contended that any effort TO sus-
/ Dend the orders of the commission by court
/ should be opposed because such a suspension
/ would paralyZe the entire measure and prevent
! the relief which the people are determined 10
/ have.
! MI Srooner called the South Carolina Sena-
/ tors attention to his former criticism or the
House bill and the latter admitted that he had
/ said A freight train could be driven through II.
/ but he declared his intention Of sticking TO the
| altar erected by Mt. Rayner against any sus-
! Dension Of the rates fixed by the commission Dy
! arv tribunal short of the Supreme Court. he
! referred 10 Mr.. Foraker's advocacy Of his own
I huI calling attention to the fact that ne OAlr
! TIIlman) had presented a measure that had beeh
| highly spoken Of by both Mr.. Adrich and Mr.
! Foraker.
! Mr. Foraker interrupted 10 express his appre-
/ citation Of the South Carolina Senator's bill II
| IS blunt and brusque like the Senator himself,
/ Int ike the Senator, II gets there just the
| came he said and the Senate laughed.
| Mr AIdrich declared that Mr. T1llman had be-
! come so enamored Of the House bill that he had
! deserted his own measure
! TIIIMAN'S EXPLANATION.