Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1906-08-21
Second DiSCussiOn-EIder Curtis
Says Young Joseph Was Not
Ordained by Father.
WAS APPOINTED" SUCCESSOR
New Position of The RcOrganite
Churcli-Somc Of the Weak
nesscs of IT. Claims.
speclal Correspondence.

Provo. Aug. 2i.-The audience last
evening az the debate between Elders
h. $. Tanner aud j, f. Curtis was
nearly as large as that of Sunday eve
ming. and close attention was given.
After singing by the choir, and pray
er by Bishop Albert Manwaring, Elder
Tanner was introduced as the first
speaker Elder Tanner took up some
Of the matters which he had not had
time to refer to Sunday night. one was
the ordination Of young Joseph by his
father, as claimed by Elder curtis, and
recorded In The True Succession
published by the Recognized church
The speaker referred 10 the testimony
OF Elder Whitehead on the ordination
II was strange, said the speaker, that
II this were true that no one knew OF
ID al the time OF the death Of the prOph-
ct. and did not present the name OF
young Joseph when the claims Of 9TH
erS were presented. And William smith
was shown Co have Counseled the sup
port Of the quorum Of apostles, OF
which he was a member months
SO with the others Who had
claimed that Young Joseph was the
legal successor of his father. Thcy
had not brought up this matter of
ordination until they had left the
Church. He also read from young
Joseph's testimony in the temple suit
ease where he testified that has FAITH
er had not ordained him The men
a.. William Marks.
Ienos N. Gurlsy aud ". W. Blair
either had been communicated on
As I'm the case of ". W. Blair. had not
belonged 10 the old Church. aud there
fore had no authority HeuOs n. CUR
lcy was ordained seventy I'm Nauyoo
nm 1874 aud was a member of the
Twentieth quorum The Reorganized
church did not recognize the ordina-
ton II Elder Gurley. nor any ordina-
ton 10 the office Of a seventy by the
old Church after 1874. and after the
first seven quorums were organized.
Elder Tanner also referred TO the
saving of the prophet that new dis
pensation was necessary after an apos-
iacy. and the Reorganized church
claimed NO dispensatiOn. He also read
from the testimonies ~ oliver Cow
derry. MILFORD Woodruff and others
that the authority ~ the prieSihued
was with the Church u Jesus Christ
Of Latter-day Saints at the time OF
the prophets death
ELDER CURTIS REPLY
Elder Curtis commenced his remarks
by stating that he did not claim. nor
did his church claim. that the Prophet
Joseph ordained young Joseph; they
claimed that the prophet had appointed
young Joseph. In the matter OF mis-
reading which had been charged by
Elder Tanner the speaker had no de-
sire 10 DO so. and II he had done so he
did not know Il. as the text as written
suited his purpose.
He read from a revelation given IN
an early day In which the Lord SAID
lie had given the saints a tulness of
the gospel I'm this revelation the Lord
emphatically commanded the church.
Thou shalt not Kill" and had warned
the saints that there we're things trans
piring In secret chambers which would
destroy the church. He also read from
the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and
Covenants passages supporting mono
gam0us marriage. lie then read from
sermons Of Elder charles W Penrose
and President Brigham Young referring
90 blood attonement showing that un-
der some conditions the salvation Of
sinner might depend upon the
shedding of his blood He also re-
ferred to the doctrine OF polygamy, and !
20 sermons Of Brigham Young on other
matters These questions were brought |
up 10 show that this Church after the |
death Of Joseph had LETT the doctrines |
taught by the prophet and that those !
who had accepted Brigham Young as
the successor OF Joseph Smith were |
aposiates and not those who remained |
behind. In reply 90 Elder Tanner that |
those who ordained young Joseph were /
apoststes
During this stage objection was made |
TO the moderator that Elder Curtis was I
not combining himself 10 the question Of /
the legal successor and some Of the I
people IN the audience called CUES /
ton" Elder Curtis claimed that he /
was showing that Brigham Young did |
not follow the teachings Of the prophet. /
and that the apostates were not the /
people who remained behind when the 1
Church came 20 the mountains. Mr.. /
Gusts was permitted 10 proceed
The remainder Of the address was
mainly devoted 90 discussion OF 1
points raised by Elder Tanner
Benediction was pronounced by FL. |
der J. r. Nanderwood.