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Altered His Question.

MI. Miller then, altered Une IOIm OF
his question. asking the witness If he
luton. The district attorney again OBJ
iected, claiming that in the present
case all that could be inquired into was
what transpired between the packers
and the Officers of the government.
Judge Humphrey admitted the ques
ton, declaring that if it was true that
the packers diyulged evidence against
themselves under pressure from the
government, it would be competent to
der which the defendants were acting.
Attorney Miller asked of Mr. Krauth-
off: Dir you advise your clients as
to the powers of Commissioner Garfield
to compel testimony9'
II did, fully
Did you advise them to comply with
his requirements, in case he should call
for testimonyq'
""rhat was the principal subject on
which I advised them.
Described the Meeting.
The witness then described his meet.
ing with Commissioner Garfield as fol.
lows:
!" Charles G. Dawes telephoned to me
and said that Mr.. Garfield was in the
city and asked if desired to meet him..
said that i would, and in company
with Samuel McRoberts called at MI.
Dawes bank and we went to the Chica.
go club. | was introduced by Mr.. Dawes
to Mr.. Garfield. After some remarks
1sopened the matter and it Was dis.
cussed for nearly TWO hours. Mr.. Cor
field stated in a formal way apparently
careful of his Language, substantially
this: That the Martin resolution,
| passed by congress for an investigation
| Of the packing industry, imposed upon
t try; that in order to do. this he must
| have access to the books of the packers
His purpose in coming to Chicago was.
| to gain this access. He said that he
4 had held conferences with the president
! and others in respect to the investigas
ton and Sthta it was of very great inn
portance. He said that he was partic,
| ularly anxious that the investigation
/! should be fair, exhaustive, and thoro, so
/ would be shown. He said that he real.
| lied the disinclination of business. men
to disclose secret matters of business,
but that he had mapped out plan.
Knew His Powers.
4 s"He said, of course knew the pow
els of his office and produced pam
/. a
merce and labor, and remarked again
that of course, l knew of his power to
get the information.
4 !" Ny first remark was that I had had
occasion to look into the law. He
then said he wished to make a success,
and not resort to detective methods and
wished to report to the president SO
that he could report to congress-.
"He again said that he spoke fol-
the president, and that of course, we
would have the protection necessary
under the law creating his department.
told him that my. clients were in a
very delicate position, and that the
newspapers were full OF matter pertain
ing to them. / told him that if the
law was valid there was no doubt he
could compel the information. told
him that if the results of this submis
sion to his requirements were to be
further newspaper notor3ety and litiga,
ton [ would, of course, contest the law.
He said that the letter of law pro
tected my clients. ~ seo
Questioned the Law.
ct called his attention to the qnes
, ton of the validity of the law. TX
answered that his department must snsc
essarily be separate from the other do
partments and particularly the depart
ment Of Justice, and that sis itswell
i known rLlaL QlS .sO0pdTLuucuG z.WdSI uAAAA
lated with the department. Of Justice %
information. He said that if Il, conceded
that the law was valid the. matter WA
divided into three classes that Il
: which the government was, entitled
that which was doubtful-5and that =!
! which the government was not entitled
! He then detailed how itwould be done
: his special agents to go to one house
and begin the investigation.
! OF said in view of his determination
to asquire this information, i felt
: hesitate to continue.
! The witness turned to District AT
: torney Morrison and asked: ~. MI
J Morrison, do you wish to object, salt
T Say what you told him, .sait
4 Judge Humphrey.
Pledged Protection.
d 81 then asked him, = said Mr.. Kraut
K hoff. awhetber we were to be protected
in case of dishonest special agents. al
r assured me Of this and said that WI
/ were protected by the law, the source O
9 his information being secret. /. aske,
t him about some Of this informatiol
getting to the newspapers and even il
the department of Justice. He told sm
to have no apprehension on that sub
iect. I then asked what use the presi
t dent of the United States wished t
e make of the information. He ahsweret
: with emphasis that of course the ,presi
n dent Of great nation would not ALLOW
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