New-York tribune., 1906-06-08

but he did not know IT.
AT this point Mr.. Wilson was allowed TO stat
that there were men scrsping and cleaning
these hogs. and that none were allowed IN th
calling room that were not perfectly clean
This was not a case for scrspins. IL was on'
for cleaning with antiseptic huid' rephec
Mr. Neil.
Chairman wadsworth persisted that this hog
case was typical OF the whole report The state
rnent was positively made in the report that the
hog was not cleaned. he said. when, as matter
of fact Mr. Neill had admitted he had not fol-
lowed the hog 10 ascertain absolutely the fact
he had stated.
DISEASES OF EMPLOYEES.
Going back to the statement regarding the
tuberculous spittle the floor, Mr.. Wadsworth
insisted that Mr. Nell did not know fact
that these people had tuberculosis.
The fact was established TO my own mind "
persisted Mr.. Neil. Il can only say that be-
iieve it,"
'Oh well. there is difference between be-
lief and knowledge" said Mr.. Lorimer
Well I know it," replied Mr.. Neill.
Did you examine them?"
u observed them"
You say other diseased persons also-what
other diseases"
Il am not willing 10 state"
We'll doctor" said Mr.. Lorimer. you have
made these statements TO the world in a report
which the President has sent TO US and which
has done incalculsble injury TO this industry
and want TO know the facts"
Il have made this report and am willing 10
stand it," replied Mr. NeiIl There were
smells Of medicine on these that you get in
dispenssries for certain diseases"
When other questions 20 draw out details were
asked, Mr.. Nell remarked: If you will pardon
me- think you, Mr.. Chairman. and Mr.. Lorimer
quibbiing."
"oh no. We are not quibbling." came from
both men.
Representative Bowie, Of Alabama, arose and
protested that the witness was being put in the
attitude of defendant under cross-examina-
tiOn. The witness represented the government
The witness can take care of himself, can't
he" asked the chairman.
Well retorted Mr.. Bowie Il think have
the right 10 make this statement"
Mr.. Lormer asserted that he had not been
oiscourteous The Witness he said was the
author of a report and he (Mr. Lorimer) should.
untll The committee passed a rule that the wit
ascertain the facts"
Mr.. Neill here asked permission to make A
statement II was six weeks ago that he was
there. he saw hundreds Of things that did not
go into his report. As to the rubbish that went
into the meat he did not specify rubbish a
nail rubbish. a piece Of rope"
i saw rubbish so into the meat and said So"
he declared.
AS 10 tuberculosis, he had made observations
ana also had interviewed physicians who mad
told him the work tended to produce that dis
ease.
AS TO the tendency Of the work IN the pack
ing houses 10 lower morals. Mr.. Neill said he
believed this the case
"AS an instance" he said. "a voung girl sir-
teen or seventeen years old. had 10 walk across
long room filed with TO go into water
closet closet ms 9oes NOT tend to morality. especially
when some OF these men are of the lowest type
Wlll not say the workers are immoral"
METHODS OF EXAMINATION.
When Mr Toripner aslxes st,A .s,yass 90 - L. =
any complaint to make as TO his treatment as a
witness Mr.. Nein replied that the treatment OF
the witness CNr. Wilson, yesterday by certain
members of the committee and the treatment of
himself to-day by these members was strikingly
different, especially when the testimony of Mr.
Wilson tended raise a direct question Of
veracity between himself and Mr.. Reynolds and
Mr. Wilson
That's just what think. too" asserted Rep
resentative Lamb Of Virginia warmly.
At this point Mr.. Henry, OF Connecticut de-
cared that this report came directly from the
President The President was responsible for it.
and stood sponsor for IT, In view OF that it was
ne believed highly disoOurteous TO question it,
continuing, n Nell said: Some Of the
questions have oeen asked me in an attempt TO
lead me into making statements which l abso-
lutely do not mean 10 make"
Mr. Neill denied that the women in the pack
Lu6 houses could sit down They may have
PERMISSION but there is nothing for them TO sit
on, he said
Every suggestion made TO correct the '.abso-
luieiy brutal indifference" with which the en-
poyes, and especially the young girls were
Iea.sa was met by the statement oh they
Mr. Nein commended the government inspec-
lon but would not commit himself on the state
.nspecuon 1t was a mistake TO state as did
Mr. Wilson, he said, that the houses were omen
70 the public. The hearing was adjourned till
TOMORROW al this point
Al the morning session Thomas r Urilson
manager for Nelson Morris & Co representing
tne large chicago packing houses. continued his
remarks on the Beveridge amendment AsiSa
from the objections he had pointed o,,t ,,asteri,
Mr. Wilson said the only serious criticism Was
OF me provision placing the cost OF inspection
on the packers.
We are now under an expense aggregatine
Sloo0n year for condernnations of animals %
ne sara Neither the raisers nor the producers
near any OF the loss on condemned stock II all
falls on the packers"
ATTITUDE OF PACKERS.
What is the result on your foreign market OF
the present agitation" asked Mr.. wadsworth.
The result is very disastrous" replied the
witness
Naturally" suggested Mr.. Wadsworth, 'qf
your foreign demand falls of your purchases OF
livestock VIII be less"
= do not see where we are to find markets if
Wilson 1'
We'll" continued Mr.. wadsworth. you will
not have 10 buy the stock"
NO; but cattle raisers are accustomed to shin
their stock TO Chicago and get their money for
lhem II TINS should stop don't see how we are
10 avoid terrible calamity in the West A." re-
sponded Mr.. Wilson. II, he said the packers are
required 10 pay for this inspection il would be
reasoaable for them TO refuse TO buy the stock
that had been condemned
Under The Beveridge amendment Mr. Wilson
said, IL would be possible for the Secretary of
Agriculture 20 put Inspector at the elbow Of
every workman and charge the cost 10 the
packer.
Representative Haueen Of Iowa. said it vss
well known that Congress in the past had NOT