The times and democrat. [volume] (Orangeburg, S.C.) 1881-current, 1906-02-22


understood that 7on could not so into
such things as that. Why make these
Determinations? had to endure it
Are these men any better than am?
II public money has found it's way
into officials private pockets, it is
your duty to investigate it and not
honeyEfuggle, but go to the bottom In
any way possible. (Applause).
MUST HAVE BEEN SOMETHING IN IT.
Chairman Hay: Where Is your au
thority for thatp"
Senator Tillman: I am giving cir
cumstsntial evidence coupled with
various, statements that have been
brought out in evidence and 1t Is in
evitably my conclusion that no man
would prostitute his Office and disobey
the law 80 brazenly and openly IL
making purchases for the state. at
these eXorbitant rates over and above
prices people in other states are Fay
ing, If there was not something in it
for him. That is the logic OF the sit
ustion. Circumstantial evidence Is
the strongest evidence when it will
hold, and it is very week when 1t will
not hold Why would any man object
to his private affairs being investiga-
ted If bis character Is involved? ]
cannot see how any man can refuse to
have the fullest investigation made
in a financial way or in anH other way
If his name is involved. II heowns
any poperty he ought to be able to
explain where he got it and where the
money came from.''
Senator Tlllman then went into 8
minute description Of the brands OF
whiskey that had been bought under.
his administration, his/brip to d,ff;r-
ent parts Of the whiskey sections. OF
the country, the manner of manufac-
turing the different brands, the pr. ces
paid for same and the manner in
which purchased. I
OPPOSED BAD wHIsKEY.
MI Lyon: did you ever request
Gov. McSheeney to make any pu,-
chase from the Mill Greek Dlstillery
Co., at higher price than tine R2ss
o., ffsred, and II so what was paid
On it?'
Senator Tlllman: II do not rscol-
lect that l ever did, probsbly I did. I
thought the man who stood by the
in Its infancy ought not to
be thrown overheard, because some
rectifier from Baltimore or elsewhere
would come down here and 0ffer rot
gut to us at lower prices"
Mr.. Lyon: so far as am inform
ed the committee has no other ques-.
tion to ask, unleas some indivic ual
member has or the board Of directors
who stand under accusation % I ub-
derstand It,. They may possibly de-
sire to be heard through their repre-
sentatiXes."
QUESTIONED BY DEFDNsE.
General Bellipger, who represents
the directors Beykin and ToWill, pre-
ceeded to question Senator Till
man.
Your intention in tfferirg your
to the committee was to testify as q
IT did not offer myself to the con-
mittes except under this COL dltion:
The newspapers were sneering and
using every Imaginable arg glmeni
against the dispensary and sug gesteC
that Senator Tillman ought TO come
before the committee and tel. wha
be knows. I had been making
speeches and feeling then as now. il
vas willing to give any light I could.
did not have as. n uch infor nation
then as now but I was ready to az
pear before the committee VIII snevel
hey, wanted me-"
@ Your idea In coming before
he committee vas to n axe 3 speech
before the committee was 1t not, or Il
usulfy o. facts which you yourself
ere acq"ain1 ed with ?"
A. II did not feel like making q
speech. ] have plenty Of opportuni-
Ties to make speechts, .
@ You will please answer my
question Senator. Your intention In
coming before the committee was for
what purpose?"
a ITO make a suggestion, that
they might get truth,
@ did you not on several occa-
,ions at various places In this state,
Ind perhaps In Washington once OF
twice, state that there was collusion
and fraud and you could prove it?i'
A. What I stated was In the
papers.
@. That you could prove 1t?
A. That I could Prove it from cir
evidence, which I have
adduced.
@. You wanted to come here to
7indicate yourself?
A. I have nothing to vindicate.
Nobody has charged me with any
thing. What do you mean by Vind.-
eating my position?
G.. When you charged the dispen.
,ary board, The present managers OF
that board, with fraud, aid stated
that the dispensarY system was good
and ouly thing to do was to turl
out 20 pre-. snt thieves, Is that the
pos 20 you desired to come down
noro opd cuatain Uorraelf or,p
A. I did not desire to come here