The San Francisco call. [volume] (San Francisco [Calif.]) 1895-1913, 1906-05-15
PRESIDENT
REPLIES To
CHANDLER
Explains Rate Bill
interviews With
Senator's.
Denies lie Insisted
Upon Modifying
Measure.
Moody Tells Of Con-
ference With Two
Democrats.

WASHINGTON. Mev IA lengthy
sca:er~rt rearing III she rate htil incident
ir t'e Sea~1e or E3tu-G-r VS. issued It
t-e Th.-e Ec~se us evening il co-s:srs
o. isrter -T-. % -Att1-aeE- General Nooly
10 the 5-,esi6e-- Tiv g ~ account. at
rla Ffee-1e--t IS request. Ct tHe conf fererce
r-',icl- 1-o7d- ll-I rF re .FrcsiEeats direc-
t.o1 v-'ta Sea0 co-s . .lluon sId Bailey re-
f~-cine tte oo,vt -rviCH- feetg-e CT the
le,1l-S -a-e le~.s.-t Oh. and 2 letter from
.Gl-- ~ 7rnot5r allison on the
ou-s s-s0. r7l3w.nG s TIE correspond
- es-1-f eoC iE t-c staten 0T-e- The
v~1t t5s .ettcr - ~. ssz:
Ts waite 51o-se. wEshi1geoa, Nay
e~r se- to- sisyon: Is senetor
1 .9cei = vcu- n?aae r. eoanec-
an n-n- 81 t.-a s-f.es--CT.S l.e sna ie
m '~r 0ur rel tio7s 4 the rate I'LL
l~e- aev s. IS perAaTs due TO --ou
souil s-or on t'.e inter-.
&C. tie r~te ia was reported from the
re7.- r-e0 0l-G rttar. bE vote u the com
fsce Iiilnlsn aads been pUt an charge
rf I, alanT 1enatcis md many outsiders
tero = see l-e ~--t1 ue-ercnce to IL.
Among Others 7rss SIZED . see ex- -Sena-
tar Q . n1ier. as representing sfr Till
rl~n. who WIS in charge Of the bin.
sta ted in response that was. OF course.
entirely willing 10 see Mr. Tillnan per
else Who could speak for him. and I ac-
coroingly directed NY Secretarv to make
N appointment for 1T. Chandler to see
me- Ny understanding was that he was
tte repreEen tive Of sfr. Tillman.
SPEAKS FOR TiLLMAN.
In th-s 6rst interview he stated to me
r-e views Of Mr. Tilman with seeming
authoTitv- He called on rae several
times. During the same period I saw
rsrl
The views Of other Senator's. In addition
7 sew numerous Sena tors. both RepubH-
rsn and Democratic. some OF them once
or twice. some OF them many times
also saw numerous outsiders-railroad
men, shippers, newspaper men and stu
cents Of traffic regulations. including es-
pecialiy the Attorney General and the
members OF the Interstate Commerce
Commission and on two occasions saw
groups OF newspaper men in a mass To
al OF these, Senators, representatives OF
Senators and outsiders alike. / made the
same statements: those that I made to
Mr. Chandler being the same in substance
that I made 70 you and 20 those Of your
colleagues Of both political parties with
whom had any extended conference on
the subject The letter Of the Attorney
General. which enclose, shows fully the
facts as 70 the conferences which at nv
instance he held with Senators Tillran
---N Oo--Nfs AAOcC conferences were
precisely such as. at my instance. he held
with many other Senator's to determine
the phraseoiogy and discuss the effect Of
amendments proposed by them.
To ali whom I eaw I stated that the
Hepburn bin was IN It's essence entirely
satisfactory 70 me- The Hepburn. bill as
1t passed the House simply recognized the
right OF review by the courts-that Ia
the Jurisdiction of the courts-but did not
attempt TO define II, thus leaving the
courts TO prescribe the limits OF their own
Jurisdiction This was in accordance
with the IDEAS of the Attorney General
his belief being that thereby we avoided
all danger Of the bin being declared un-
constitutional because of attempts TO con-
fer either too much or too little 3urisdic-
ton on the courts.
QUESTION OF JURISDICTION.
7 also repeatedly stated that while il
was entirely satisfactory to me simply
70 leave the Hepburn bill in substance as
Il was; that is, with the recognition of
the Jurisdiction OF the courts, but with
out any attempt 70 define that jurisdic-
ton, that I was entirely willing that
there should be e definition, provided that
this definition did not seek 70 grant a
broad review. but explicitly narrowed it
70 the two subjects. which. as a matter
OF fact. ] believe that the courts would
alone consider IN case there was no at
tsitpN 70 oenne the nr1its OF their re-
view that would limit II 10 the question
ss 70 whether the commission had acted
ultra wires and as to whether any mGns
constitutional rights had been impaired.
] stated that IL the question of defining
or limiting the review was brought up
az all personally felt that this was the
way in which IL should be limited or
. defined.
AT different times at least a score of
tentative amendments were either pre-
: nared by the Attorney General at the re-
Guest OF Senators or submitted 10 me by
'afaators. AS to many Of the amendments
Including among others the substance
- the so-called Long. Orerman, Bacon
and Spooner amendments) ! stated that
! should be entirely satisfied to have them
- the bin; as to Others suggested modi-
ssicetio1s which would make them satisfac-
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