Los Angeles herald., 1906-01-07

Mr. Rowe agreed 70 StOp InLeTrupJlHb.
At this point the hearing adjourned
until this afternoon.
Commissioner Sanborn said, IN re
suming, that Mr. Rowe is personal
counsel for several witnesses and will
be allowed TO sit near them and adj
wise them. He sat near Mr.. Rogers.
The question whether Mr.. Rogers
knows who owns or holds a majority
of the stock Of that company was read
The commissioner requested him TO
answer. Mr.. Rogers declined. MIR.
HadleY asked II he declined because
his answer might subject him to a
criminal prosecution.
81 have no conception of such con-
dition Of things" replied Mr.. Rogers.
'T decline for personal reasons"
What are your personal reasons?'
persisted Mr.. Hadley.
Counsel for the companies objected
and Mr.. Rogers conferred with Mr..
Rowe. MIR. Rogers declined to answer
and Mr.. Hadley asked him II he de-
clined because It might subject him to
prosecution, penalty or forfeiture.
"T cannot conceive such a condition
of things. but decline to answer on ad-
vice Of counsel"
"Is that your only reason?"
THAT is my answer"
"Have you any other reason than the
advice of counsel for refusing TO tell
who controls the stock of the Standard
oil company Of 1ndiana?"
"I believe It is within my rights to
decline to answer"
"I might concede that on some
grounds" said Mr.. Hadley.
Asked another question about this
company, Mr.. Rogers said:
"I know that It is In the oil business,
htYt fc alI II "a
You feel reasonably sure Of that"
81 believe so. l have not been there
for some years"
MIR. Rogers said he did not go to In
diana within a few months to examine
Standard oil properties there, but was
In Kansas in the course of last year.
IT don't think I went into the state
of Missouri on that trip" said Mr.
Rogers.
Did Not Avoid Missouri
did you avoid Missouri for fear that
you might he subpoenaed in this city,"
'T did not"
Has the STANDARD OIL company of
Indiana refinery at Sugar Greek, near
Kansas City, MOI"
IT cannot answer"
Take time to think it over"
'T don't know" said Mr.. Rogers.
do you mean to tell the court that
the STANDARD Oil company in the last
year has not built a big refinery near
Kansas City, from which pipe line
runs to Whiting, Ind.?"
MY answer is that the question is
improper. | will give you an answer
to that question later"
What part of the business of the
Standard Oil company of Indiana are
you familiar with?" asked Mr.. Hadley.
81 know that in such a corporation
| am a director. / might modestly say
| am familiar with a dividend or so.
I could not remember them in detail.
[ am not very good on dates"
do you know whether the Standard
Oil company of Indiana retines oil as
well as sells it?"
81 know it by hearsay, not by actual
WAS your visit to Kansas in con-
nection with the Standard Oil company
of Indiana?"
Il don't recall much about Indiana.
My business was largely in Oklahoma
We rely largely for the collection of
oil in the Indian territory and one
other territory"
Mr.. Rogers said that he does not re-
call examining refinery at Neodesha
Kan, on that trip.
Did you examine any refinery in
Kansas"
Counsel objected.
81 decline to answer" said Mr..
Rogers.
II assume you have no other reason
than the advice of counSel?" said Mr..
Hadley.
Il don't know of any"
Not Invited to Missouri
why did you not favor Missouri
with your presence at that time?"
Il was not invited"
Permit me now in behalf Of the
state to extend you a formal invita-
ton. Was that your only reason?"
81 did not know you had so much
authority as that" said Mr.. Rogers
Did you find that the Waters-Pierce
Oil company and the Republic Oil
sold oil in Oklahoma and In
dian territory while the Standard Oil
of Indiana did not?"
Il decline to answer, on advice Of
counsel"
Although instructed by the commits
sion to answer, Mr.. Rogers declined,
and Mr.. Hadley asked that the ques-
ton be certified to the supreme court.
Mr.. Rogers said that he did not think
he went to Kansas City, Kan, on that
trip. He had no distinct recollection
of being at Leavenwortb in a railroad
wreck, as he was asleep then. He
said he did not recall being advised
that if he got into Missouri he might
be subpoenaed in this case.
Mr.. Rogers said he did not keep out
of Missouri to eVade q subpoena. 81
had no occasion nor desire to CO."
You knew you had a refinery near
Kansas City, did you not?"
Mr.. Rogers replied:
Il heard there was one. / never saw
it. Inasmuch as l have been in the
refining business since 1861, an oil re-
fnery has about as much attraction
for me as Carrie Nation"
you are pretty good on dates said
Mr.. Hadley "If you knew what hap
pened in 81 as well as L do you would
DO you know of the existence Of
the Waters Pierce Oil company"
by reputation, yes"
Did you learn when in Oklahoma
and Indian Territory that that COM
pany sold oil there, and that the
Standard Oil company of Indiana, of
which you are a director, did not?"
asked Mr.. Hadley.
Counsel objected.
Declines to Answer
"I decline to answer, on the advice
of counsel"
DO you know of the existence of
the Republic Oil company or of the