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The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20
RICH BEAVER PROPERTY.
Ideal Copper Producer in Hand

Ideal copper producer IN HAND
A mining organization recently per
fected by Salt Lakers owning and now
operating some excellent Beaver coun-
~ ground bids fair to become power
full factor in the copper game of Utah.
This company is known as the Com.
monwealth Mines company; it, was or.
gsnized under the laws Of Wyoming.
md the company is capitalized for 500
600 shares of a par value Of 81 each,
Newton Dunyan is president, VIM. NJ.
Bradley, vice president; W I. Atkin,
secretary and treasurer, and Mcssrs.
Strevcll and Paterson complete the
board of directors The company owns
seven claims adjoining the Burning
Moscow and the Hub properties In the
Star district
Those properties lie about seven
miles from Milford In the past. at
and the Rock Mountain, have been
large producers of precious metals
Mr.. Dunyon recently made thorough
inspection of this group of properties.
9pd no more expressive means could
have been made OF showing how he
regards the properties than the fact
that he accepted the presidency of
the company Mr.. hunyan found not
only large ore bodies in strong veins.
but he found large orc values as well.
Copper values are shown by his report
70 run between 49, and 2S.7 per cent
while there are generous lead and
silver contents. The richest ore from
the group is almost identical with that
coming from the Cactus.
The company will soon begin long
tunnel which will enable the ores to
he extracted both without extra effort
aud expense and from the points where
tho bodies are expected Ia make into
huge deposits The Commonwealth
company has an ideal proposition TO
develop, and should begin making tell
lug strokes early during the winter.
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20
GOVERNMENT AFTER SHELTERS
American Smelling and Refining Com
pany to Be Investigated.

Intima tion has been given from
Washington that the Government would
begin series of prosecutions against
company within short time. Just what
these prosecutions will be for is not
entirely clear, nor does the local man
agement desire TO draw any conclusions
prIor TO announcement from official
sources. but it is thought that the Gov
ernmeut desires to probe into the smelt-
ing business as well as the Standard
OIL, coal trade and so forth This ac-
tion on the part of the Government
Will be watched with great interest in
the West whose resources are more
directly affected by the Government s
Investigations
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20
ELY GIBRALTAR.
Company Listed Upon the San Fran
cisco EXCHANGE

Max NJ. Johnson, one of the first
Salt Lakers to reach the camp of Ely
in the. very first boom hours, left for
the district again on Monday. Mr..
johnson has been unusually successful
in his Ely ventures. being eatensively,
interested in Duck Creek properties
also, II was he VINO brought Duck
Creel. into local fame. and his Ely Gi.
braltar mine is banner properly in
this region. Mr., johnson stated before
ms departure that the Ely Gibraltar
had been listed upon the San Fran.
cisco exchange, the company has a
treasury surplus sufficiently compreben-
sive TO handle the large campaign of
development work mapped out. and that
nothing now stood in the way Of show
ing up to. the sunlight all the rich re.
sources of this property. Mr.. Johnson
is an extensive real estate owner in
Fly itself, getting in on the ground
floor last spring,
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20
RUSH TO GOLDBUTTE.

Prospectors and Investors Going In to
Secure Mining Ground.
Word to local circles from the Gold
butte district is TO the effect that
there is steady string Of prospectors
and advance agents for investors com
ing into that Nevada region, and that
the present winter will witness a great
deal OF genuine activity, if not big
rush for properties. The district is
attracting considerable attention by
reason Of the Salt Lskers who are
operating the famous Goldbutte prop
cry, The. original find in that imme-
diate vicinity. Salt Lake interests.
therefore, are extensive in this new
center of interest.
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20
Tribune Agents IN Nevada.

Copies OF The Tribune will be found
sale in Nevada At the following:
BoRtty-Msrk & Hancock.
Cherry Creek-Grey & Collins,
CAliente--John Shoir.
Dclemar-M. G. Kelly.
Ely-Thornos 0'Dalovich.
Eurcka-Ernest H. MAu,
Goldneld-Frsnk Landstrom, Hunter Adv.
B Pub. Co
Gold Butte--w E. Sharp.
Las Voeas-F, P. Shannon s. l.. Eows Co.
Manhsttar-Nclson & Round.vell.
Rono-Ropcnthal Armsnko. Shepherd g.
Son.
Rhyolite-Ssm Spers.
Tonopah-W II o'Neiu 4. a. Keuns'
woll. Sherman q Oldfather.
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20
Calumet and Hecla.

BOSTON. Nov 19.-The directors of
the Calumet and Hccla Mining com
ganv today declared a quarterly div
idend Of S20. This compares with $50
three months ago. and S15 six months
and a year ago. With the payment of
today's dividend. the stockholders Of
the Calumet and Hecla will have re.
ceivcd since the formation of the com
pany dividends amounting TO s3a.350,
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20
Chamberlain Pain Balm.

There is no danger from blood poison
resulting from cut or wound of any
kind, when Chamberlain 8 Pain Balm
is used. 1t is an antiseptic dressing
and should be in every household. For
sale by al leading druggists,
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20
Ore Shipments.

The Pioneer Sampler released the fol
lowing number Of cars of ore Mon.
day: Alta, 4; Stockton, 3; Bingham
/; Nevada. >.
Tho Taylor and Brunton sampler re
leased the following: Tintic, 10; Nev.
ada, D; Bingham, |.
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20
DAY ON CHANGE.
Monday Starts of Well With Good
Sales and Prices

Monday started out encoura gingly upon tho
local exchange, and there is every reason 10
expect another week OF good prices and largo
sales. During the day total of 10000
shares was sold, representing a market value
OF SiS,T20. Sales we're we'll scattered around
the board, the higher priced stocks, like the
Columbus Consolidated, Nevada Hills. Silver
Pick and Beck Tunnel being literally dealt
in. The quotations Tor the day closed as
follows
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20
ely RESURRECTION COPPER oC
TreasurY Stock.

Limited amount for sale at S1o0.
Company owns $40 acres. Adjoius the
Mcdonald Ely and Ely Northern on
the north and Sappho Copper company
on the east. Apply to
DE WITT B. LOWE G. co.
l2 West Second South St.
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20
Ore and Bullion

The ore and bullion receipts for Mon.
day. given by Mccormick & Co, were
as follows: Ore, S2S,300; bullion, s45.-
$50.
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20
The Metal Market.

The metal quotations for Monday.
posted by Mccormick & Co.. were as
follows; Silver 7ll:c; lead. s5.15;
coppcr. 21Ec.
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20

Nevadas in San Francisco.
James A. Pollock & Co furnish the follow
!ng San Francisco stock quotations, received
over their private wire:
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20
San Francisco Mining Stocks.

SAN FRANCISCO, Nov. l9.-Tbe official
closing quotations FOR mining stocks today
wore foIInws.
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20
Boston Stock Market.

James a, Pollock 4 Co furnish the follow.
ing Boston erock quotations. received over
their private wire:
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20

Pembroke & Rigby, Mining Engi,
neers, 149 Pierpont street. Salt Lake
City. Phone 1856.
The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-11-20

Grand Central 100 AT s3.2o
Lower Mammoth 100 NJ a5c; iQo al 9.c.
Lou Dillon, 800 Mt t3c; 100 at Acc.
May Day, 1000 ~ 16c.
Nevada HIS 200 at ss.S5ia; 200 at $40.
$50 AT s5.SI.
Nevada Fairyicw, 1900 at ooc; 500 at aolse
Stray Dog 100 at CSC
Uncle Sam Con-. 100 al Csc; 500 at $7iac,
Beck Tunnel, 100 at N.22i!: 200 at sl.25;
300 al Sl2,is; 500 at sl.30.
Colorado Mining. hoo at &c.
Little Chief. 400 st lie.
Scottish Chief. 250O at 1880: $3.50 al l3c.
South Columbus. 100 at lsc: 200 az i5c.
Victor Con-. 1900 at lie
Shares sold. 1850
Selling value. S9S23S0.
OPEN BOARD
Ajax. 100 at $2c 100 at 321sc.
Columbus Con-. 200 at $500 200 at So,2j.
500 at $40,
Lower MHmmoab, 100 At 95c 100 at s7c.
Little Chief, 1000 at 17iac.
silver Pick. 100 st $40; 100 at Sl6I,s; 100
al s1.65.
shares sold. 500.
Selling valuo. 81. 1850.
AFTERNOON SALES.
Ajax. 500 at 3Sc
Csrisa. 1900 al sl.20
Lower Mammoth. 600 at 9Sc, 1000 al 9sc
seller sixty days.
Nevada Hills. 100 at sa.a2l.; 100 at $3.50;
200 at S325.
Star Con. 500 at l2c.
Uncle Sam Con. 500 az $50"
Beck Tunnel, 1000 at Sl.35.
Black Jack. 100 ar s0c: 800 at ilc.
Century. 100 AT 3ic.
Infot. 1000 al 2 " e: 1000 at 2%c
New York 1000 AZ 37c; 1000 at 21i7c. buyer
thirty days.
Scottish Chief 1905 at l3c; 100 al l&i3c
Wabash. 100 at a0c; 100 al Soc.
Yankee Con, 200 at i3c.
Shares sold. 2.5fO.
Selling value. s9l6S 30.
OPEN BOARD.
Ajax. $40 a, 33c.
Corlsa 100 at Sl.2c.
Beck Tunnel 1000 At sl.25.
Colorado Mining 90 ai $50.
Dixie. 100 at lSc.
Low Dillon. 1900 at 4$r.
May Day. 800 AT l6Iac
Silver Pick, 800 at $3.50
Uncle Sam Con. 100 st SSc.
Victor Con, 800 AT 10isc.
Wabas 81. 100 at 41c
Scottish Chief, 1000 at 12izr.
Shares sold. II 200.
Selling value. 81. so.
Tonopah bonanza. [volume] (Butler City [i.e. Butler], Nev.) 1901-1909, 1906-06-23

w. E. Lawson, a well-known broker
of Tonopah, New, who formerly re-
sided in this city, says the Salt Lake
Telegram of last week, has returned to
make a short visit with his home folks.
Mr.. Lawson is one of the hustling min
ing men of this state, who went down
into the Nevada mineral belt early in
the game and got a footing, and while
he is still a young man he is enjoying
the money he realized from some good
investments made in the Sagebrush
region.
While visiting the offices of d. H.
Perry during the morning Mr.. Lawson
said that Nevada camps were recover
ing from the blow dealt by reason of
the San Franciso disaster in a remark
able manner He thought that before
the year had drawn to a close the mines
of the entire State would be in the most
furnishing condition that had ever been
known in Nevada's history.
Tonopah bonanza. [volume] (Butler City [i.e. Butler], Nev.) 1901-1909, 1906-06-23
Mistakes will Be Costly.

Hereafter the "opened by mistake
excuse will be a mistake that will cost
$500. The postoffice department has
ruled that mail must be looked over
carefully before the person receiving
it leaves the office, and that any letter
put in your box by mistake must be
returned before leaving the postoffice
under penalty of 5000 for failure to
do so.
This law will act as a deterrent to
many people who seem to take a par
ticular delight in this very act.
Whether the letter is addressed to
them or not they take advantage of
having it in their possession and break
the seal, more out of curiosity than
any idea that it is meant for them. OF
course there are instances where this is
done by mistake, but the new law will
people to be more careful, and
they will be sure that the letter is for
them before they open it.
Tonopah bonanza. [volume] (Butler City [i.e. Butler], Nev.) 1901-1909, 1906-06-23
Important Notice to TOnOpah
Realty Holders.

All parties claiming any title to any
of the ground within the exterior boun-
daries of the claims owned by the Tono-
pah Mining Company of Nevada, or the
Jim Butler Tonopah Mining Company
by reason of agreements heretofore
made by said companies, or by the per-
sons from whom said companies pur-
chased, are hereby notified to file within
sixty days from the first publication of
this notice in the office of the Southern
Nevada Abstract Company, room 8,
Brokers' Exchange building, the EVIL
dence of title to ground claimed. Upon
presentation of evidence the question
of title to the respective lots will be ad-
justed. Parties not presenting evidence
within the period named will be deemed
to have waived all rights to the ground
in question.
ToNoPAH MINING Co. OF NEVADA.
jim BUTLER ToNoPAH MINING Co.
Tonopah bonanza. [volume] (Butler City [i.e. Butler], Nev.) 1901-1909, 1906-06-23
NOTICE

Notice is hereby given that the SOUTHERN
NEVADA ABSTRACT COMPANY is the duly
authorized agent for the sale, rental or leasing
OF the surface rights of tho Tonopah Mining
Company and the Jim Butler Tonopah Mining
Company.
All persons occupy ing the surface ground OF
eth err OF these companies must pay rental for
same to the SOUTHERN NEVADA ABB
STRACT COMPANY; no payments to other
persons will be recognized.
Building upon or trespassing on any vacant
or unoccupied lots or lands OF these com panies
without permission in writing by their duly
authorized agent, is hereby forbidden, and all
persons disregarding this notice will be prose.
cuted.
TONOPAH MINING co. OF NEVADA
JIM BUTLER TONOPAH MINING co
2-25 By f. A.. Keith. General Manager.
Tonopah bonanza. [volume] (Butler City [i.e. Butler], Nev.) 1901-1909, 1906-06-23
MASSIVE ORE SHOOT
In BONANZA MOUNTAIN

There is a drift tunnel around on the
west slope of Bonanza mountain that
people do not know much about, but
which is going to output an enormous
amount of milling ore, according to a
dispatch from Rhyolite of the 18th inst.
The center tunnel, or manganese
tunnel" on the original Tramp ground,
has exposed a continuous shoot of mill
ing ore for more than 800 feet. The
ore was opened at the surface and has
been followed over 800 feet, values
being shown over every foot, and in
places ~crosscuts have exposed 10 to IL
feet of ore in width, although the ore
has not been fully developed in width
anywhere in the workings.
This tunnel has gained a vertical
depth of nearly 200 feet, and will have
fully that depth when it reaches the
Hobo ledge, 100 feet ahead. At the
junction of the two lodges a rich shoot
may reasonably be expected. The
manganese tunnel is exploring one OF
the several lodges that form the big
Tramp vein system, which is the back.
bone of the southern portion of Bonah-
"a mountain. On the surface the
several lodges, which are believed tC
come together with depth, have a com
bined width of between $50 and 30(
feet and paintings are obtained wher
ever the manganese quartz is exposed
This one ledge alone will be a big pro
ducer-one of the many substantial
assets of the recently formed Tram
Consolidated company.
The long crosscut tunnel on the origi
nal Eclipse ground is 100 feet past tn
Eclipse ledge, and continues to shoy
silcified rhyolite and manganese quart
stringers. Superintendent Lester is o
the opinion that the tunnel is in tn
Lester ledge. The Hobo ledge shoul
} be reached in this tunnel in less than
month. superintendent Lester say
that all of the material exposed b
the tunnel since encountering tn
Eclipse ledge has the appearance {
] being gangue matter. The work in tn
t Tramp tunnel and the red quart
n tunnel, also in the drifts on the Eclips
n ledge, is being continued along tn
lines previously noted.
Tonopah bonanza. [volume] (Butler City [i.e. Butler], Nev.) 1901-1909, 1906-06-23
D. H. BOYER,
Salt Lake, Utah.
Passed here A o'clock,
April IL, 1906.

"He was then down where the can
yon opened into Death Valley, 480 feet
below the level of the sea, perhaps the
lowest point on the face of the earth.
HE had searched in vain over the
Funeral range for water, and he decided
that the only way for rescue was to
reach the Panamint mountains on the
other side of Death Valley. But be-
tween him and the Panamints, in the
bottom of the valley, was the terrible
Death Valley sink, five or six miles
wide, where the Amargosa river dwin-
dies away. 1t is a vile brackish stream
of liquid poison, whose waters are thick
with soda and borax and mud. The
sink is nothing but amarshy death trap,
with here and there little tufts of refuse
where the soda and the borax has be-
come semi-solidified.
"Once he struck Benefits wells, and
his hopes mounted high, but instead of
drinkable water he found a brackish
salty slime that ever in his desperation
he could not swallow.
"He lay down in it and slept for three
or four hours. When he awoke he had
barely strength enough to totter on for
his final advance along the valley.
"At 8 o'clock that night the foreman
of Borax Smiths Death Valley ranch
saw him wandering aimlessly and pur-
poseless through the evening gloom.
"The foreman took him to the ranch
house and the crew set themselves to
work to save the breath Of life that
still remained. 1t would have beer
fatal to give him more than a few drops
of water, and it was hours before the
ranchers would let him alone even for 9
moment. In his delirous rawlings he
would have rushed to water like a wilC
beast.
when Boyer was in shape to talk
he told the rancher his name. The
rancher who had seen him when he wen
into the Kunzie group, a few days be
fore, absolutely refused to believe it
for the poor fellow had lost % pounds
in three days and was emaciated to
mere dry, parched sheet of parchment
tightly stretched we his bony frame
He was quite unrecognizable.
} 1T was several days before he wa
able to start for Salt Lake in the com
| pany of Clarence Lamb and Ed Don
! nelly, brother of the Donnelly of Snow
r storm fame in the Ceur d'Alenes
. They were mining down that way.
/ 81 fear he will never be the sam
: again.
d when the news of his being los
e spread, the miners at our camp and
e Kunzie quit work and set out in scare
d of him. We could follow his tracks
e and if he had only kept still we coul
t have overtaken him.. But he was stril
ing onward, always onward, day an
e night, until finally his trail was lost
the Amargosa swamp. He must hav
gone 80 miles in those three days."
Tonopah bonanza. [volume] (Butler City [i.e. Butler], Nev.) 1901-1909, 1906-06-23

Wallace, Idaho, June 14.-D. H. Boy
er, formerly of Mullan, where he is well
known and near which place he had
mining interests, recently had a ter
rible experience in Death Valley Cali
fornia, where he wandered for three
days in search of water, and as a result
he may lose his reason permanently.
His escape alive was a miracle.
The tale Of his hardships was brought
to Spokane by Fred Birney, who re-
turned from that district Saturday.
"Boyer was sent into Death Valley
by a San Francisco outfit to examine
the Kunzie group, neal the Furnace
Creek property" said Mr.. Birney.
Lately he has been making his home
at Salt Lake City. met him on the
trail going into the Kunzie about April
18th. Having had some experience in
that country / warned him never to go
a mile away from camp unless he had a
compass and a canteen full of water.
Boyer just laughed.
"'Why I'm an old desert terrapln,'
he retorted.
''The morning after he struck the
Kunzie camp he wandered off to look at
a prospect a mile away, and in those
blazing canyons where not a sign of
living thing can grow, he was soon
helplessly lost. The more he wander.
ed around the more he was confused,
and, desperate with the knowledge Of
his condition, he struck out in search Of
water, first up n canyon and then W
another. The heat was dreadful-10:
to 104.
"Thus he kept On all day and al
night until a o'clock on thesecond after
noon. In that time he never stopped
once, but kept aimlessly plodding on
There was no water anywhere, and hi
condition was something too fearful tt
be described. His tongue had swollel
until it was so thick that he could hard
ly breathe. The alkali dust filled hi
.uOSlIilo anu lcll lLcIn DlcCulllS.
"No human being aver crossed tina
sink except General Frederic Funston
who, while on a government expedition
with a party of engineers, ~traverseC
it in pontoons years ago.
"And yet Boyer struck out acros
that slough of despair, and all tina
night and until the next day waded ant
houndered and leaped onward, in TIN
most dreadful and unequal contest will
nature that | ever heard of. From on
little hummock of borax and salt h
would leap to another, and if he misses
his footing he held his leather Goa
spread out before him and would ligh
upon it in the marsh as a sort of buo
until he could Chamber onto the neares
hummock in that death trap.
"He took his shoes off and swun
them around his neck by the strings
His feet were literally parboiled by tn
hot and biting ooze of the marsh.
How he ever got across there | ca
never guess, but somehow he manage
to reach the Panamints on the otht
side. Still he was without water, fl
the range was as barren as the funer'
mountains. By that time he was ge
ting demented, and in his fever racks
imagination he saw always a great laE
of crystal clear water far up on IL
mountain sides, and when he wou
climb up there for a drink the lal
would disappear leaving a glare
torrid sun-baked clay.
ALREADY he was beginning to 10
weight, for the blazing sun was dryir
him up.
Tonopah bonanza. [volume] (Butler City [i.e. Butler], Nev.) 1901-1909, 1906-06-23

DR.. Thomas Price, one of the most
successful practitioners of veterinary
surgery of the west, has his Office at
the Palace livery. No n requiring
DR.. Prices services viii regret it, as
that profession has been his lifelong
study and practice. He was the gov
ernment's surgeon for a number of
years at Fort Whipple, Arizona. If.
Tonopah bonanza. [volume] (Butler City [i.e. Butler], Nev.) 1901-1909, 1906-06-23
TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE
OF A PROSPECTOR
Strange as it May Seem He Lived TO Tell the
Story Of Ills Suffering.

On the afternoon of the second day
he had given up all hope of coming out
alive, but yet he struck doggedly on.
In one of the canyons he heaped a
monument of stone, and on the smooth
stretch of the canyon wall he scratched
with a pebble this inscription, which
he believed was to be mis- only epitaph:
Tonopah bonanza. [volume] (Butler City [i.e. Butler], Nev.) 1901-1909, 1906-06-23

Beginning March 18th. trains ID
and IA, will carry an extra sleeper
between Reno and San Francisco, in
order to better care for the Tonopah
and Goldfeld travel.
A. H. RISING.
Acting d. f. & =. A., S. P. Co.
Reno, Nevada. If.
Tonopah bonanza. [volume] (Butler City [i.e. Butler], Nev.) 1901-1909, 1906-06-23
For the Fourth of July

Grand Ball given by Lawrence's
Academy of Dancing, at Miners Ex-
change Hall. Social every Saturday
evening. Lessons given daily at resi-
dence. Waltz contest-prize will be
presented to the winners.
Tonopah bonanza. [volume] (Butler City [i.e. Butler], Nev.) 1901-1909, 1906-06-23

Diamond6eld is the coming town
no boom prices. Write to JACK
DAVIS.
The Stark County Democrat. [volume] (Canton, Ohio) 1833-1912, 1906-12-04
VINO" INTOXICATING !?
Grave Question Now Before the
Holmes County Authorities.

Special to Morning News.
Millersburg, Dec. 2-The case OF the
state vs.. John p. Thomas before Mayor
Shaw, which was commenced last
Monday, was still In progress last
night The state by evidence from
chemists showed the drink called
"vivo," which Thomas is charged with
selling in dry town, contained 2 1-2
per cent of alcohol which would incur
the payment OF the Akin tax. The de-
fense Is making a desperate effort to
prove that the stuff is not intoxicat.
ing and have put on the stand numer.
GUS vivo drinkers who swear 1t did not
intoxicate them. The manufacturers
of the drink of Milwaukee are behind
the defense in this case as conviction
would destroy the sale In dry towns
Of Ohio. Witnesses from Milwaukee,
Cleveland, Barberton and other places
have been present. The defense put a
chemist from Chicago on the stand,
who had analyzed the drink and found
it to contain less than per cent of
alcohol while the chemist for the Ohio
pure food department swears it con-
tanned 2 1-2 per cent. The case will
be made a test and will probably go
to a higher court whichever way it
goes