The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1906-09-28
NORODNY SAW The CZARNA?
REVOLUTIONARY LEADER SAYS
NE HAD AN INTERVIEW.
Also says the CEar II Going Insane 40 the
Result % an Old wound He Got I'm
JapSn-Here 20 Work Up Sentiment
which VIII Aid the Cause Of Freedom.


Gen. Ivan Ivanoyitch Norodny, q leader
OF the Russian military party which seeks
to overthrow the Gar and establish a true
republican form Of government for all the
RlSsias. Is in New York 10 establish an
American branch OF the Russian Liberty
Association. This new organization al
ready has a Eoothold in Paris and London
and Gen. Norodny believes that he will
find ready sympathy for his cause in this
country.
At the Hotel Albert last night Gen.
Noroiny told OF his recent experiences
with the revolutioni sts in his home coun-
try and outlined what he hopes TO accom-
plish here. Last spring he came to New
York on the same errand, but he was in
~terrupted in his work by the news that his
sister and brother had been arrested in
Finland and he hurried home in time to
participate in the uprisingS at Sveaborg
and Cronstadt.
Il am a member OF the Russian military
party said Gen. Norodny. Dur mission
il that OF revolution, but not the revolution
that the Social Democrats and the Terror
lists are trying Intellectually TO bring about
with dynamite and assassination. The de-
sign OF our party Is to bring about such a
concerted uprising in the army and navy
that st. Petersburg may be captured and
the Gear and his bureaucracy driven out
of power. We do not countenance the use
OF dynamite and secret a-ssassinations.
When the whole of Russia is ready to rise
In arms against the Czar and his favorites
at court then we will be ready to head the
revolution; but we know that nothing can
be gained by these sporadic outbursts OF
individual professionals, heroic as they
may be.
Before l left Russia I gained the OPP
~portunity, secretly, to nave . private inter-
view with the Czarina, then staying on the
estate OF Earon de Roetovstof. The pri-
vate secreary OF the Czarina arran ged
the meeting for me, and l saw her, though
l had to pass through the country incognito
to do 80. l told her Majesty that l was
going 10 America to establish societies
for the prop Igation Of the Idea of Russian
liberty.
The Czarina heard me with courtesy,
but did not express herself otherwise than
to say that she believed that II any good
could come out OF our propaganda for
Russia | should have every success. Her
secretary told me afterward that the
Czarina realized that the Car was in the
grip Of the bureaucracy and could make
no move toward freeing Russia until pres
sure came from without.
The military party believes that the
best way to bring about a peaceful revolu-
ton in Russia is to secure d~iplomatio pres
sure from without. We have tried active
mutiny. 1t was the military party that
organized the disastrous revolt OF the
HoI--t. c. At la.k .-Aa. anI NhA an.talv
disastrous revolution at Sveaborg and
Cronstadt a few months ago. The Gov
ernment's rents are not through shooting
the men implicated in the latter uprising
yet. So we lave come to realize bat. for
a time at least, our best recourse lies with
tho people OF humanitarian instincts outside
of Russia.
Our party declares on the Gar not a
war Of bloodshed but a war Of education,
a war Of moral suasion. This is not the
time for fire and sword. ! call upon hu-
name people throughout the civilized world
to Join this movement.
THE first practical work TO be lone by
the Russian Liberty Organization, which
have come to America TO organize, will
open with a universal petition to the Gar
asking for an immediate proclamation Of
freedom Of the press, freedom OF meeting,
freedom of religion, freedom of speech,
general amnesty, general suffrage and the
| o~onvocation Of a fundamental constitu-
tional meeting OF the representatives OF
the people. 1 invite all men and women
Of all nations who are in sympathy with
this work TO send their names to the New
York headquarters which l will open.
The petition will be transmitted TO the
Gear by a special committee OF the repre-
eentativea of every nation signing the
same"
The agent of the military party explained
\ the reasons for the failure OF the revolt
at Sveaborg and CronstadC in June last
The revolt, he said, had been carefully
planned and the commanders in the forts
that we're TO mutiny were all with the v
mtionists. A part Of the Baltic feet had
likewise become disaffected. Everything
was set for the mine that was to be sprung
about October 1.
the Gar. the Social Democrats. h knew
only indirectly OF the plano Of the military
party, seized the opportunity 70, preach
sudden revolt to the garrisons Of the forts
on the Baltic. Urged by their incendiary
the red flag. The other forts, believing
thar this was the signal for the concerted
revolt, likewise hoistcd the red flag anc
began firing shells into the Cossack garri-
sons known to be loyal
which took place when the secret emissaGiet
of the military party wore least prepared
for 1t, three of the loyal ships of the Baltic
feet were detached from the rest OF the
suuadI on, about whose loyalty some doubt
reasonably existed. and the forts OF tn
rebels we:e reduced before assistance coulc
DO rendered By revolutionary garrisons ir
the interior.
Il believe that we would have been su c.
c~eesful," said Gen. Norodny, oommcntin 3
upon the Black Sea rising. IF our plans had
not been spoiled by the impetuous Social
Democrats, who were not in concert with
our schemee and could not know how faI
the conspiracy among the fortress garrisoni
and sailors in the fleet would have pro
gressed by. October, the date we had sci
for the rising"
Gen. Norodny says that the present reign
OF terror that has been instituted in and
about st. Petersburg by the Terrorists and
anarchists cannot be productive OF any
lasting good.
-Disorganized anarchy is becoming more
prevalent in Russia to-day than any Other
form Of protest." said he. 1This anarchy
Is growing 80 rapidly because il all hinges
on the question Of personal revenge On
man has his father or his sister shot or sen
to Siberia; Immediately all Of his group o.
anarchist friends plot TO kill the people
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