New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1906-05-18
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railroad Company gave rebates as recently as
1908. according TO the charge made to-day by
frank B. Wiston, head of the Norrisdale Coal
rou,pany. before the Interstate Commerce Com
rission Nr. wiston's statement caused some
~unrise because Of the fact that while the COM
-ission was IN session in Baltimore Vice-Presi-
ssnt Thayer of the Pennsylvania Railroad an
,eared and stated that the company had made
no allowances or concessions since 1899
Mr Wigton was the last witness called to-
day He gave a detailed statement of the con-
5itions in the soft coal region and accused the
pennsylvania Railroad Company OF discrimina-
rion in the allotment Of coal cars. citing cases
10 substanfiate his charges.
He was asked by counsel for the commission
II he had any knowledge of rebating by the
railroad company. 2 ID said in reply that since
the retirement Of Y. Il. Joyce. general traffic
manager Of the Pennsylvania Railroad. there
had been no Relating, so far as he knew. Within
2 few months previous 10 the retirement of Mr..
Joyce however he said. he had received re-
hates amounting TO from 5000 TO $4,000 on
;idewater shipments. Mr.. Joyce retired in June,
1868 III. Wigton also named several other
companies which. he said, had received rebates.
Charles Z. Pugh, second vice president of the
Pennsylvania Railroad. was one of the Wit
nesses. He was examined about his policy with
regard 10 the placing of sidings Michael Trump
examined concerning the distribution of cars,
and r L. O'Donnell, general superintendent of
the Buffalo and Allegheny Valley Division, told
Of having received blocks OF stock in various
coal companies while he was in charge of the
car distribution department Of the Pittsburg
division.
DISTRIBUTION OF CARS.
The most important witness at the early ses-
sion of the commission was Michael Trump gen
eral superintendent Of transportation. The wit
nesses who previously testified concerning the
distribution Of cars informed the commission
that they had acted under orders from Mr.
Trump
Mr Trump was asked if the Berwind-White
Company and the keystone Coal Company did
not have enough private cars to carry all their
tonnage He said that was the case.
rs it a rule Of the railroad company that no
coal company shall have less than five hundred
individual cars?' Mr.. Glasgow, counsel for the
commission asked.
That was a rule adopted by the company to
discourage the use Of individual cars"
Don't yor know" said Mr.. Glasgow, that
during the Pennsylvania Railroads most siren
uous period Of freight congestion the company
sold one thousand cars TO Berwind-White and
five hundred 10 the keystone Coal and Coke
Company. You don't call that discouraging the
thar the rule was adopted for the purpose of dis
oouragtng only small operators?'
We thought il would discourage everybody
8Ir. Trump replied.
Asked what efforts were made TO insure the
proper distribution Of cars. Mr.. Trump said
General Superintendent Creighton furnished him
weekly reports Of the allotment In reply to the
question as TO whether he examined these re-
ports 10 determine whether each mine received
.ts full rating he said the general superin-
tendent probably did So
Mr. Trlmps said his holdings Of stock in coal
companies were two hundred shares in the At
lantic Crushed Coke Company, paying per cent
dividends. and four hundred shares in the Key
srone Coal and Coke Company The stock in
the first named company, he said, was given to
him by J r. Patton. a superintendent OF the
Pennsylvania Railroad.
USE OF PRIVATE CARS.
A discussion took place between Mr.. Gowen
and Mr. Glasgow as TO the purpose Of the private
car and the necessity of publicity Of percentage
anotments. Mr. Glasgow declared that the
Pennsylvania Railroad, by selling private cars
70 coal companies and by making special assign
rnents Of cars practically guaranteed the con-
tracts Of those companies. This, he said, was
discrimination, because It made possible for some
companies 10 enter into contracts while other
cornpanies not so fortunate were prevented from
doing 50.
Commissioner CocHrell. addressing Mr.. Gowen.
said: IF YOU conceal something people are sus-
picious. and they have right to be It viii be
that way as long as you do something behind a
curtain. The railroad IS public service. and
The ruh1ic has a right 10 know what is being
done Il must be open and above board. Your
safety is for you to purchase the private cars
from The coal companies and make them part
Of vour equipment, not TO sell your cars for in
dividusl use"
Charles 2. Pugh, second vice-president Of the
Pennsylvania Railroad. in charge Of the operat-
ing department, was called.
What has been your policy regarding sidings
during The last six years?" asked Mr.. Glasgow.
we have refrained as far as possible from
putting in nevv sidings," Mr.. Pugh replied. He
explained that applications for sidings came
from sraaI developments. and the company was
not inclined TO place a siding for operation OF
small promise
Asked If he had placed any sidings for the
Keystors Coal and Coke Company and the Cocn-
ran Coal Company in the period named MI
Pugh answered affirmatvely
Commissioner Clements asked what reason was
usually given for refusal TO place siding. The
witness replied that the usual reason given was
that the production OF coal was ample for the
demand
Don't you think an increase in production
would reduce the price?" asked Mr. Clements
AS general proposition, should say yes"
SPECIAL ASSIGNMENTS MADE.
Nr Glasgow asked regarding the orders for
special assignments OF cars TO various coal COM
panies Mr. Pugh said IL he gave such orders
that tine it must have been under pressure