The Salt Lake tribune. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1890-current, 1906-05-15

ne the views OF Mr.. Tiliman at seemins au-
thority. he called on me eevernl times. Dur
ing the tame period / saw other gentlemen
who professed TO givc the Views OF other Sen
ators.
Saw other Senators.
In addition. I saw numerous Senators. both
Republican and Democrats, some OF them once
or twice. OF them mnny umcs also
saw numerous outsiders, railroad men. ship
pers, newspaper men and students OF trathe
regulation, including especially the Attorney
General and the members of tho Jntersta.o
Commerce commission. and on Two occasions
sow groups OF newspaper men In a macs
Statement He Made,
To nil Of these Senators representatives of
Senators and outsiders alike, ! made the same
statements. those that madc 10 Mr., Chandler
being the namc substance that modo TO you
and to Jhoso OF your colleagues of both pollt-
icol partleo with whom had any extended con-
terences on the subject. The letter Of the At
torneyGeneral which l enclose shows fully
tho faots as to tho conferences which ut my
instance he held with Senators 1iiiman and
Bailey. Those conference were precisely
such as at any instance. he held with many
other Senators to determine the phraseolosy
and discuss the OBJECT OF amendments proposed
by them.
Satisfied With Bill.
To all whom saw stnted tina, the Hep
burn bill was. In Its essence. entirely satit,
factory TO me. The Hepburn bill as # passed
Wow by the courts-that is: the Jurisdiction
Of the courts-but did not attempt to donne IL.
OF their own jurisdiction. This was In ac-
cordance with tho Ideas OF the Attornoy-Gsn,
oTa dsc9 ms eef' n .So e'S S S Being Ssarcd
Htitutional. because OF attempt 10 confer either
too much top little jurisdiction on the
As to Court Review.
also repeatedly stntcd that while 1t was
entirely satisfactory to simply to leave
the Hepburn bill In substance MS II Yves; that
is. with the recognition OF the jurisdicuon OF
the courts but without any attempt to define
TINT Jurisdiction, that ! was entirely willing
that thsrc should be a definition provided that
this definition did not seek 10 grant broad
review, but explicitly narrowed u to the Two
eSo ,s. eo"T, YOU'D none consider in case
there attempt TO dehno tho limits OF
their review that would limit II TO the cues,
ultra vIrea and as to whether any mans con.
stitutional rights had been impaired stoted
that it the question OF defining or limiting the
review wos brought up at oil personally felt
that this WINS the way in. which II should be
limited or defined.
Discusses Amendments.
A, different Zines at least a score OF ten
tative amendments were eithor prepared by the
Attorney General ut the request OF Senators or
submitted TO me by Senator'S As TO many Of
the amendments dncluding among others the
substance OF the so-cnlIed Long, overman, Ba-
con and Spooner nmondmenD l stated that
should be entirely satisfied TO have them In
the bill; rs 10 others l suggested notifications
which would mako them satlsfactory; as TO
none did ever cay ethF d to M n.1s unon on
having them In the bill as condition oil my
approving II.
Not Trying to Dictate.
On, the contrary I YVES always most careful
10 state that / wae not trying TO dictate any
particular programme OF action. In no case,
either I'm tho case of Mr.. Chandler or In the
case Of any else. was there the slightest
npportunity for any honest msconcopti0n of
my attitude or any belief that / had pledged
myself specifically 10 ono and only one amend
ment or set OF amendments, or that would
-. flEnn
preserved the essential feature OF tho Hep
burn bill II como from the House. You
Will doubtless recall that In the course OF
ms we discussed n number OF these proposed
amendments trying to ind out for which ono
there could be obtained sufficient body Of
nssent 20 secure its passage and the passage
OF the bill.
Referred to Allison.
To almost every amendment proposed by any
one / found that there were other excellent
men who objected. who ut least wished
change II, and ! finally became convinced that
IL wos impossible for Senator'S with advantage
To use me as the Intermediary In coming to
an agreement with their colleagues especially
another intermediary, ond / earnestly sug-
gcstcd to all to whom 1 spoke that they
should communicate with you. whose pur-
poses and minc were identical
Explains Disagreement.
Abou, this time I was informed by various
Democratic Senators that they could not come
10 an agreement upon any amendment, and
that tho best chance for success lay in pass
ing the Hepburn bill substantially unchanged.
was informed and believed that this was
Republican Senators who favored tho bill ex-
pressed the same opinion Shortly after this
you. IN company with Senator Cullom called
upon with the amendment which is now