New-York tribune., 1906-05-01
DUMP KING" F0RGETS.
JEROME CALLED IN CASE.
scou Trimnser,s Mary BroaOn' Did
Al His Business.

Ag%er q ten days. recess the aldermanic COM
,olftee took up yesterday their investigation OF
THE Street Cleaning Department with the eX-
a,ninarion Of Joseph Marrone, OF the scow trim
ming drm of MolllneIh Marrone. One OF the
srst things brought out was that Marrone oiu
not know the Christian name OF his partner W.
AZ wins. who Is conducting the examination OF
the case for the committee. asked MarrOne If
there were any judgments against him. and tne
witness admitted that there were.
NFarrone said his sister-in-law. Mary Brown
had an Office at No. a Court street, Brooklyn
and that he had the power OF attorney for her.
E5e did not know what the employees were PAID
Or how much he paid them week. He said ne
euaploved Iaborers at 18th street. but could not
remember what he paid them
AFTER this display OF ignorance about his bus-
ness affairs. Mr. WINS had the witness sworn
again. The witness said he understood the
va+ure Of an oath and that he was telling the
Yr,fh. Chairman Grifenkagen said he would
take I'D the matter with the idea OF presenting
the facts 10 the District Attorney.
Continuing the examination. Mr.. WINS brought
ont that Mary Brown had bank account at
Il6th street and Third avenue. but the witness
could not remember the name OF the bank no
saw q statement made by his firm to the city
for trimming done at the Delaney street dump
Narrone said the money refunded to the fTrn
bv the city was not for labor hire but for trim
ming.
a6arrone was then excused for a few minutes
and James Colthurst. a ,bookkeeper for Mary
Brown. was called to the stand He testihed
that he made out checks for Mary Brown under
the direction Of AIarrone. He also made out ollIs
for her TO the city. He said he kept no recoru
Of the money paid TO laborers at Delaney street.
but that maybe Marrone did Colthurst salo
several dumps in Brooklyn were sublet by Mol
%I,e 6VY91
from $50 TO S1OO week The witness said ne
had never seen Mary Brown.
KNEW WHAT PERJURY WAS.
After further examination Colthurst was ex-
cused and Marrone was recalled. He said he
did NOT desire to correct any of his former
statements. Asked if he knew that a man had
fean irving to serve him with subpoena for
three davs. AIarrone said he did not. The wit
ness did not know whether G. GarriZzo, who
rents six dumps from him in Brooklyn. pays
him 81 or 5000.
Do you know that when you say you do not
know and you do know that you commit per-
5ury?" asked Mr. WINS.
7 CO." replied MaTrone.
His memory was equally faulty with regard to
what Pasquale Pare paid him for the rental Of
dump at East 29th street Some other things
that had escaped his memory were how much
Sunday, whether he had ten or more judgments
against him and whether he was present when
the contract was made between the city and
IoIneli Marrone.
Counsel said that Mary Brown was a real per-
sonage. but that she had disappeared, and that
the process servers had been unable to serve
her with subpoena. Msrrone admitted that
he told Mary Brown what sum TO write in on
checks.
DO you employ men to do trimrning?" asked
AIr. WINS.
Il might" replied Marrone
DO you?" shouted Mr.. Iv1ns
Yes" replied the forgetful witness
When asked if he had any money in the bank
the witness said, mot a dollar" Asked if he
had ever bought any real estate for Mary Brown
the witness replied in the Affirmative. When
asked how much he paid for it NIarrone said
Nothing"
What. you bought real estate for Mary Brown
and paid nothing for t?" asked counsel.
7 didn't buy real estate for Mary Brown" re-
piled Marrone.
This contradiction caused everybody to laugh.
Asked if ne knew Nicholas J. Hayes, the wit
ness replied that he did.
Is he interested in your business?" asked Mr..
wins.
no" replied the witness. after some hesita-
ton.
Why did you hesifate?"
Because ] want to Think replied Narrone.
DID NOT KNOW WHAT HE PAID
The witness did not know how much he was
paying the city. He said he owned racehorses
and raced them at Guttenburg in 1888 Mar
rome testified that he didn't have any money
and that the diamonds he wore were the property
Of Nary Brown. He said he got the money to
pay for his clothes from Mary Brown. He said
he never lived in Sheriff Hayes's district, and to
Alderman Dowling he said Hayes had NOTHING
do with the business.
Marrone was then excused until Tomorrow
John ". Abrahams. certified accountant. said
he had examined the books Of the Street Clean
ing Department He testified that the cost OF
carting and disposition of city waste for 1901
was S572657 g. and for 1905 amounted to S9O7.
Ol0 IA T''
After the committee adjourned Alderman
Gr1fenhagen said the committee would send IA
District Attorney Jerome a transcript of Mar
rone's testimony and ask him to have an as
sstant al the hearing tomorrow. He said:
i am not q lawyer but it looks to me as II
Marrone committed perjury the witness
stand, ard / want the District Attorney to de-
eide the matter
The following table. showing the cost OF cart
ing and final disposition of waste for 1901 n
1865. inclusive, for the Borough of BROOKLYN
with percentages based on population and mile
age Of streets. was introduced: