The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1906-06-01

reason as we'll as many others the
record should be a full and complete ac-
count OF all matters that came before
the Investigating Committee.
Senator Rison In a very able and cx-
haustive manner spoke on the question
before the committee He reviewed the
practice OF the court sln9Virglnia In de-
termining the credibility Of witnesses.
Colonel Anderson asked the, commit
tee to consider also the request made
by his client that he be allowed toeplace
in evidence the secret record" of the
Cloves Investigation
u Senator Rison Asked Colonel Anderson
II he considered the Secret evidence"
legal evidence.
Colonel Anderson said he would pre-
fer not to answer that question under
the circumstances in, which he found
himself placed.
Biased BytHate.
In continuing, Colonel Anderson said
that Colonel Lawless was biased by hate.
Colonel Lawless objected to the word.
and Senator Rison suggested the use OF
the word Zeal.
always affected by his counsel's inter-
ests. and continued:
IF DIR. FOSTER DOES NOT HATE
THIS NAN CLOVES, I DO NOT KNOW
WHAT THE WORD HATRED MEANS"
e ut is wellknown fact that evidence
not under oath cannot be read a evil
dence and as the secret record was
taken not under oath, 1t Is not legal
evidence. and II introduced. can only be
used as guide or memorandum, and not
as legal evidence.)
The committee then went into execu-
+ tive session.
After 80 minutes, the proceeding began
anew. Mr.. Pulllam moved that the mo-
ton OF Colonel Lawless, counsel for DR..
Foster, be reconsldered.
Those voting for the resolution were
Messrs. Pulllam. Ould, sader and Rob-
ertsa those voting against 1t were AIessrs.
Rison and Dunn.
Mr.. Pulllan1 moved that charges ono.
two and five be stricken out OF the
record.
Mr.. ould offered us substitute that
all bc stricken out
The Ould substitute was lost By vote
OF 4 to 2. Messrs. sadler. and Ould voting
for It, and the rest OF the committee
against It, 5
The Pulllam resolution was then voted
upon ana was carried by q vote OF to
A1essrs, Pulliam, ould, sadler and Rob-
erts voting for the resolution and
Messrs. Rison and Dunn against It,
Pullman Resolution.
The Pulllam resolution read as fol-
lows:
,That the grounds Of objection as to
the competency of i. II. Cloves as a
witness before this committee be over
ruled and that objections numbered re-
spectiyely, first. second and fifth be
stricken from the record In this inyesti-
CATION"
= Chairman sadler said he thought all
argument should Ire stricken out also.
was passed upon. the committee should
be allowed to discus It.
It was passed over for the present.
Senator Saddler gaid that hereafter
counsel would be allowed only ten mn-
utes to make Objections ,and answer, TO
this both Colonel Lawess and Colonel
Anderson agreed
Mr., Cloves thcn began his testimony,
Witness said that he presumed that the
steward and superintendent knew the
needs OF the asylum and that they ought
\ to know from one quarter to another the
necessities OF the institution,
Witness, said that the special board did
not know what the diet and ration lat
contained, The board, he said, relied
upon tn oyerbal report Of the superin-
tendent, as the members, except the local
member, were here only one day.
Fl Witness said he had never inquired into
the breakfast furnished the patients, be-,
cause he had no time. Chairman Sad!er
read the breakfast list. showing that gem,
orally only bread, butter ana coffee, We're
served the patients.
witness said as a member Of the board
lie examined the breakfast ana dinner
on the days he was here, He raid he
did not look into matters IN detail as
Colonel Lane, the commissioner, and Nh.