The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1906-06-20
Stevens and johnson IN
v,iteYd, ,l1[l|Y But 3 j 7 tNot \ |l,' Expected
To Testify.
BERWINDs ON STAND
DENIES STORIES


(F'rom Our Regular Correspondent)
WASHINGTON, D. C. 4 June Bit was
n stated at the rooms OF the Interstate
Commerce Commission to-day that neither
& President Johnson. OF the Norfolk and
4 Chesapeake and Ohio. had accepted the
invitation OF the commission to appear
before Thursday and testify In the
4 investigation OF the coal roads now in
progress. II was not known whether
either would attend.
II do not think either Mr.. johnson or
Mr.. Stevens will appear before the COM,
A mission" said Mr.. William "A. Glnsgow,
Y Jr.,s counsel for the government. to might.
55ss"I have never thought either could give
4 the commission much Information On
corning graft, rebates. and undue prefer
{ ence to certain coal shippers, for 1t has
not been charged that the officials OF
q either of the Virginia coal carrying roads
have been guilty OF any OF these things,
The officials we're not subpoenacd. but
simply invited to appear. Had they been
summoned and testified to violations OF
& law, their teatimony could not have been
( government. as they could have claimed
Il Immunity z 535. q
Hearing Resumed.
The first witness examined by the com
Y mission to-day was Mr.. Chase who pro-
i duccd certain bills OF lading and other
documents called for at the last meeting
in Philad elpbia. The wItnessr was closely.
4 questioned by Mr.. Glasgow special coun-
Z sci for the government, regarding the
amount OF coal from the Bsrwind White
Company which goes over the Harsimus
4 Pier at Jersey City, which elected the
reply that the Berwind White Company
d did not know the a1nountsexcept3 By esti-
mated abroad weights. II Witness further
declared he had no way OF escertaining
Si II the Berwind White Company had been;
Il paid for all the coal that went to the
New York City railways. except that
they were paid on estimated weights. Il
George Z. Dickinson testified that there
was no way by which he could tell the
actual scale weight sold per annum by
the Berwind- White Company. The books,
he said.s were not squared up at the end
OF the year to see where the company
& stood, nor did he know whether there
Il ever was prof T. or loss. He believed
such matters were handled ny the Phila-
4 delphia Office. AT first he said he did
4 not know who had charge OF them. but
lalcrA lIldl
* OF the books. 3s
Attorney Heebner made strenuous OBJ
Z lection to question by Mr.. Glasgow re-
u 5'garding wages paid the Stally-keepers OF
& the gBerwind-White Company. Mr.. Glas-
+ gov having explained that he hoped by
the Information to show the small pay
for the service rendered.
Chairman Knapp directed the witness
II to answer. Whereupon he stated the
oil Eroco{va6
Mr.. Glasgow asked the witness II he
ever knew or heard OF any practice in
8 Now York harbor OF the payment OF gifts
to tally-kecperss by any captains or off,
& GERS OF vessels. The witness answered
Z that he knew OF no such gifts being made.
Berwind on Stand.
President Berwind was next called. and
stated that at first the Baltimore and
Ohio handled all the tonnage OF his COM
V pany. but later the Pennsylvania Rail-
road got the business, being able to ship
\ to South IAnlboy. N. T., without transfer.
He said his company was the largest
Z shippers OF bituminous coal over the
Pennsylvania lines. He expressed the be-
lief that the Pennsylvania company had
Z aided In establishing the steamship bus
iness for the shippers on Its lines.
Witness referred to the connection OF
Robert Cassatt, son OF President Cassatt,
of the Pennsylvania with the Keystone
Coal and Coke Company. and said he had
5 gone to some of the pennsylvania officials
and told them that the Pennsylvania
company was being criticised in cbnss-
z quence. He would not admit,
however. that he had complained that
the keystone company was being giyen
any special preference over the Berwind-
White Company. Mr.. BerWind declared
that ut no time was he ever able to get
sufficient cars from 1t for the transporter
tlon of his coal.
Mr.. Bcrwind said that no officer or
cmploye Of the FennsYlvaIlu Railr,u5
over had any interest in the Berwlnd-
II White Company. except Mr. Shepherd
y general superintendent Of the New Y orl:l
division. who owns fifty shares Ut the
X NVilmore Coal Company, q subsidiary
L company ii nj tg
In 1856. when the Berwind-W White COM
pany was organized. "A. u. Cassatt ara
Gardner Cassatt. his brother. took stock
N the company, but the witness said
they sold out to him = 1881.
Denies Story of Rebates.
Mr., Berwind then was questioned re-
garding the rebates his company Is al
legged to have received from the Penn
sylyania Railroad and insisted that no
official or employe OF the Pennsylvania,
4 directly or indirectly, or by any device
whatever received any share in them #
Testfyng as to the total weight OF
8 Eoal dumped on the Harsimus Pier, MIR,
Z Berwind said his company was fo.ceo
to take the estimated weights Of ! tho
Pennsylvania road. 5s r.
II Mr.. Berwind explained the purchase ~
4 his company In 1909 OF 1000 cars from
L lhe Pennsylvania Railroad, saying that
lhe great coal strike OF that year orealed
an enormous demand for cars. ana thar
In consequence his company was unab,e q
4 to- move It's output. He opened negotiar
Hons with Mr.. Provost. of the Pennsyl-
yania, as the result OF which he go, he
cars. but was compelled TO pay $l,ls7
Il zach for them. Which he sad was the
highest price ever paid.