Omaha daily bee. (Omaha [Neb.]) 187?-1922, 1906-01-31
Chicago Packer Tells of Conversation with
Commissioner Garfield
POSITIVE PR0MIs. or INDEMNITY
Says He Was Assured Information Would
Not Be Used in Judicial Proceedings
AL RECORDS or COMPANY PRODUCED
Secret Prof. and Loss Book Examined by
he Commissioner,
RECORDS OF COMPANY PRODUCED
CHARLES C. OAw.. tso EXAMINED
Former Comptroller says lie Heard
GarHeid Tell Packers Evidence
secured WouId Not lie Used
Against Them.

Against Them.
..ICAGO. Jan. 3O.-Edward Morris vice
resident Of the Fairbinh Canning company
Ind a Ilsmber o. the firm OF NelsoJ MOrris
81. 60, testified today la the packers cdse
nat re nad uoeE required by commissioner
arhe,u 10 produce FOR the inspection Of
,.c COMMISSIONERS IN secret proht and
.,ss .uohs y, ms company, after the COM
..sissi, .or nau prvparcu u,s report OH the
%. iadustr. iurtucg duclared that
All GIrheid hau taken these books and
..u n.si- ,t,u u.cm. iie too first OF Ie-
ewing t,,r assurance from the commits
auncr tnat no kuowlcds. that would he
.,anisneu oy the packers would be used
.,.,.inSt tncln, oI now ne gave the informa-
i,. to the comm issioncr and mis- representa-
ave ana then declared that Commissioner
Oiarncid returned to Chicago with the
greater part of his report in proofs. which
Iie suomuttcd to MIR. Morrison The witness
said that IL rcld the proofs. and told Mr..
Carried that the report was correct. The
cumnIss oncr tncn, the witness asserted, de-
mandcd n.at the proft and loss books be
brc ught to tho downtown Office of Morris
q 80 for his inspection They were brought
and the commissioner looked them over.
rne statement that the commissioner had
called FOR the secret books after complet-
ing his report, caused stir in court, hut
the witness insisted that he was required"
10y Commissioner Garfield to submit the
books to him.
The other witnesses OF the day were l..
C Krauthoff, who was on the stand yes
terday; Samuel McRobcrts. treasurer Of
o ~.
former comptroller of the currency and now
president of the Central Trust company of
this city. Both Mr.. Dawes and Mr.. Nc
Roberts insisted with much emphasis that
they had heard Commissioner Garfield de-
clare that any information he might pro-
cure from the packers would not be used
against them.
krauthotf Is Cross-Exa mined.
Louis C. Krauthoff again took the
stand today when the trial which
is to determine whether or not the
packers are entitled TO immunity entered
upon It's second day. District Attorney
Morrison finished his cross-examination last
evening and Attorney Miller. for the pack
ers, resumed the direct examination. The
witness was asked many questions regard
ing his opinion of the law under which
the immunity is claimed by the packers
with the result that the district attorney
objected to almost every question that was
asked and numerous arguments between
counsel followed.
After numerous objections had been dis
posed OF by the court Attorney Miller said
Now. L offer to prove
II object to his saying that they offer
To prove anything before the jury" said
District Attorney Morrison.
axa mt ~
law" Mr.. Miller asked the witness, have
an opinion as to the liability of your clients
In case they should refuse to comply witt
Commissioner Garheld's requirements?"
The district attorney again objected ant
the court ruled that the point had already
been covered by the witness.
II should now like to offer to prove tha
this witness advised his clients upon thei
liabilities II they refused Garfeld's re
quirements and what ] offer TO prove
gaid Attorney Miller.
"ro which we object" said the distric
attorney.
Objection sustained" said the court.
Mr.. Miller then went before the bench o
the court and I'm low tones dictated TO tn,
stenographer a detailed statement of wha
he offered 10 prove TO the jury. but whicl
the court had ruled out. He announce,
that he did this for the purpose OF pre-
serving the record OF the case. II wa
claimed by the attorneys for the packer
that the court erred In ruling out what the.
offered to prove"
Charles c. Dawes. former comptroller 0
the currency and president OF the Centrs
Trust company of this city, was the secon
witness He told of introducing Commits
sloner Garfield to Attorney Krauthon. II
said
ssTapaf,,faefotaar uyhn haN
known for years. called at my once an
said that he only wanted the informatio
from the packers in order to enable him I
make fun and complete report. / intro
duced him to Mr.. krauthoft and Mr.. Nc
Roberts and told them they could rely o
what Garfield said. and that they coul
open their books without fear, as CARTEL
was absolutely TO be trusted and was a ger
tleman. ! was present at the Chicago clu
ana heard their conversation. Mr.. CARTEL
said that the information given him by th
packers would be used by his department
hut not by the Department OF Justice Gai
held said he wanted the information of tn
operation of the packers and the best wa
would be for the packers TO cooperate wit
him. That was about the substance OF III
conversation l recall IT,"
on eross-examination the story OF NJ
Dawes was not in any manner modiied br
the additional fact was brought out tha
Commissioner Garfield said to Mr.. Krau
hon that he was 10 report TO the presider
and that the packers need not fear thJ
anything would be done TO injure them
Samuel McRoberts, treasurer of Armor
a Co. was then called. He was the fourt
person present at the interview betwee
Mr., Garfield and Mr.. Krauthoff at the Oh
cago club
Mr.. McRoberts gave testimony agreein
with that Of Mr.. Krauthoff and Mr.. Dave
He declared that Commissioner Gariel
had informed Mr.. Krauthoff that his d,
partment had nothing 20 do with the d,
partment OF Justice and that he could n,
and would not work in conjunction with
iIo declared that they are absolutely d
vcrced and that the law was SO fran,
that business men could feel free 10 gi,
Information.
The witness declared that Commission,
Garfield stated positively that the informs
tion 10 be secured was not for use
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