The evening world., 1905-12-12
Il r RYAN TELLS PROBERS HARTMAN TRIED TO SANDBAG HIM
Smilingly Tells the Committee He Had Some
+ nUnpleasant' Talks with Railroad Mag
nate, Who Made Threats of
Political Hostility.


frfll (COnfinued fiom blrst take'j
\ let him sbare-fn the. purchase,
ana have an equal voice In the
managemenf. This declined. -.
lie also obiected to the trustees op'
5ected 10 having the stock tINsteed. he
, iinalIv said II would allow him "a
share IN the purchase and in the man
acement and would allow him 10 name
two trustees. with Mr.. Cleveland en'
Judge o'Itrten and Mr. Wesunghous,s,
Z also said that no did not think could
carry out my Dlans Without Ills aid.
paid that had determined In the IN
ferest OF the policy-holders Of the Eqnl.
mysslf OF an control II the Equitable;
tshat wh!le desired very much the CO.
operation OF MFR. Hartman ana ali
sfher arge financial interests the task
doubtless would l, be hsrd Svo oSJ h. ana ana,
~ Ryan Refused TO Yield.
i said | could not give up my lnten.
ton 10 trustee that stock. as l had
made up my mind 10 90 50 as soon as
Il purchased II, that whether had his
opposition or not 1 was going TO try
! ~ "a n was on Friday afternoon, June
that Mr.. Morton was elected chair
man OF the board? A. II was.
40 NOW when did yoSa mrs, pr IN near aiieS tfor
A. think ! had q conversation wan
Mr. Hartman on Friday but didn't
, cell Mr.. Hartman / had Dought the
stock. Mr.. Hartman wanted ~ know
II think he suspected ! WAS IN the
I Equitable situation IN some way. had
very llttle--it was 4 short conversation.
and 4 was the following Monday or
q. That time you didn't tell him what
your plan was? A. No.
Q. And the conversation was a general
, one2 A. Yes.
q. Ana the next time he saw you did
he see you alonel A. don't remember
whether he saw me the next time with
iEir. Root or Mr. Crayath or alone.
Il sdst T mink *. 4 tsoSssF gs s'as SonSS aSaSdSy oy
Tuesday In my office.
o. Did YOU tell him who the trus-
tees wereg A. ! did. That had already
been publicly announced 1 wrote Mr.
Cleveland a letter-in fact the three
letters were written on Friday night
His Fnek Efforts.
O. You say that Mr.. Hartman said
that no had devoted 80 much time 70
the matter. Did he say In what wayT
A. Well, I'm trying TO stralghten out the
Equitable affalrs; he was on the Flick
was on the Fftck committee and was
A Y
O. You have said that he desired TO
participate In the management What
was said between ypu as TO the man
agement Of the company A. There
was nothing special said. Mr.. Hughes
a. What did YOU tell him precisely us
70 the plan that you had nor the man
acemcnt OF the company, A told
him--f stated to him the way ! pro-
posed 10 work out the transaction.
q At first did he object 20 that? A.
Yes, he objected to having the---thovght
was making a mistake TO have the
stock trusteed
o. was II at the interview when Mr..
Root and Mr.. cravath were present
that he suggested desire TO name two
trusteesY A. IL was.
q. Were those two trustees 10 be in
addition 10 the three A. They we're %
be IN addition 10 the three.
Demanded II as Right.
O. Did he say what he expected TO DO
accomplished by nominating two addi-
tlonal trusteesG A. He made no qaes-
ton II that.
O. What did he say in that counec-
tlon. A. He simply sald-he simply de-
manded that he should have the right
10 name two trustees.
Y. And also what part OF the stockY
,nSs' a Msn' my my impression sstsa hsw nov 49, Mr
~
O. He wanted half Of the stock and
the right 10 name two trustees7, WHAT
did ne say to you which would indicate
a reason why he thought you should
give him half the stock and the nomina-
tion OF two trustees? A. For the reason
that he had been In the Equitable, had
been a director In the Equitable; he
had been trying TO work 0ut the-settle
Il The difficulties Through the Frick COM
3mittee. ! concluded that was the rea-
son. That was the only reason he as
t0igned
@. Yes; and he was not satisfied tina,
2he control should be exclusively In
s5our hands, or In the hands OF The
trustees nominated by you. A. I 80 un.
q. Yes. Now, you said that he told
| ,lwou that you would not be able 70 carry
I -out your plan against his opposition
What opposition did he say he would
gtyel a lie said his whole innuenc,
q O. What sort OF influence did he men.
iAfioned any special infiuence.
Q. Didn't be say that his political IN
1 Q, Did he tell you what sort pf polit-
n Zeal influence he would urge against
ngouy A. He. .did not
~. Mentioned No Names.
@. Did he mention nanes2 A. II,
O.. ". Olu ~ ftIer To une IeRtSlatufoi
"a. lie referred to probable legislative
acion or actions-Or SAID that "a,
legislature would probably take ae
Q. Did he say what sort OF action n,
hNould probably take? A. No, he aid moi
q, Did he say whether II would be Il
legislation OF Investigation? A, No.
N thlnk-my recollection 10 that he sait
legislative acuon-some legislative ae
''Aion.
q. Now, can you state the substance
OF what he said2 How did be put tina
in regard to legislative action? A.
think he said th0t legislative actioi
would probably result, and that his In
fluence for or against me would be i'm
pOr,ant.
O. DID he tell you that II You ao
oeded 70 his request his Influence wOu
be thrown In your favorf A Well
that was plain TO me Il would be-
O. that was plain? A. Yes.
4 And he told you that II You al
not divide the control with him that hi
}, influence would be thrown against ylu
a. He said his whole influence woul
be against me.
,atiye aetlonY A. Yes, or there might b
Q. Now, IN what eYent--I want IN 20
this as precise as posslble--in VIVA
event did he say there would be legi,
lltye action? A. Well the air Vas sm
u talk about legislative action al ~,
tlnie, Mr.. IIughes ~ ''s
@. Ia that Interview? A. No, n,oo
the atmosphere about Insurance me
tcfa, not IN that interview; / wouldn
pnt that way