New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1905-12-16

tic 81 bin to that 1T intro
A~There was threatened introduction Of bin.
Alexander faction or the SPECIALIZED pTotegye com com,
some Of the men at XIbany-nen with no interest
in this situation whatever and unless It Is paTticY
| it bears on this situation at all
one Of the sR Of au Is 'es
legislation action is effected not effected by per-
a viii be- o to
fi nssmuc UGH as the matter has been MENTIONED A.
Well as can recollect It now-i have got to be
,..Q.-Certainly. A-And you have to give ms
o.-zCerfainly;, take your, time. Mr. Hartman;
and had been on one Of the sub-Gommittees and
hay the SECOND EGmfee 5 had been ed
way. would like to say at that time Mr.. Hyde
put it out of his power to it; Just the
as ME- Ryah mas fGT ye years subject to the con
ton TO the subcommittee. think that is matter
OPERATIONS AT ALBANY.
| Q-Yes A-And finally the second sub-commit-
tee had mace S for
such Plan IS don't remember' and DON'T know
just what it is. but some action had to be taken
lawyers to carry OUT IT. and after Agreeing IT,
h e acon h6F s BY Fhe a to
tendent of Insurance and the Attorney General; is
Of Se on
M % fo fe TRY anf co
mittee. went up there with lot Of aftdavits , ana
tGe IN 6es
With either facton I vas sD LEI and think
and T other t the at SITUATION ns
| what we considered the aggressions of what we
call the Alexander faction had the reports from
which the matter was pursuing. and had com;
taken that would further the attempts Of what i
several times in confidence and I do, not think
ought to be called upon to state VINO tney
viii tell yog privately. If you want tra me to-
rSen i you Is can an see sec yogFssif me
Oft is a matter Of official action here. A.
whether ought state not-I do not want to
| make sensational head lines for newspapers.
8.-Reiating to the Equitable? Al was in
formed that there we're several attempts to have
DID You request any one not to introduce
Did you deal with any person who. so far as
you knew, intended to Introduce bill? A.-No, sir;
Allow do you mean. deal with then-I did not
Did you take steps with members of the leg
islatgre to see that biz should not be intro
legislature to let me know in case bill should be-
an ATTEMPT should be made to introduce a bill
as understand YOU were directed toward obtain
Ing information and being apprised Of what was
BY NJ Hughes Hartman 1a7 aid you get any
Or was to be introduced? A--No sir. 4
through your COMMUNICATIONS with those persons
d9e33 Of measure? did psts Know we Of any
% 9t T no ooo @ the pdn could n9 not
come to the point of preventing anything.
sugFefions wera who in the se nature a on
as to Whe6 wa9 a f ben es
bis bills intrigued? Am The There SHOULD be any at
steps If I thought it desirable.
HEARD OF NO ATTEMPT
,o-But you heard of such attempt? A.
did not take any steps '-'
YOU those noTve%s SA04 Ho T'' cn Mo
with the parties themselves first
of the commtfee Al wiz t YOU Ihe or viii
tell the chairman, and If you think 1 should do |
as SAID before just R' for me
bringing ;Ta ne new names into it. r, ~
chairman wants to assume any such responsibility. !
fff houh It Would bar on this Situation not h
any way whatever, ANYTHING more than satisfying
part-but would do it willingly, because believe
eould, get the consent and they would bear me
eve feel in .,1 matters Of this x, kind inxoIy.
course is to have the utmost frankness and pub
Q,Ewithogt any kind of reservation. whether IN
fuence Of the kind that the question suggested
those considera tons and rather resolved in favor
of the greatest frankness. than adopt any other
communicated with perhaps two or three men at
Albany, some members of the legislature and some
not.
Owe are conscious, Mr.. Hartman that such
communications are of daily occurrence to every
man in the legislature. Al dare say they are,
but not from
Q.-No but we receive communications from our
friends and from those whom we know and from
those whom We don't know, asking about early
information about legislation affecting interests
in which they affected; they attract atten-
they CUStOmarily replied q
gladEess of course, by members OF the legislature.
Any statement to them that I feared
attempt would be made to have legislation passed
to further the interests of the factions which
trying to get control of the Equitable. and that
l wanted to be apprised of it. Now. I will not
this morning go further than that 1 would be
very glad to do 1t II land I want personally to
be relieved of having to here again-if can
/ will go so far as to consult with Judge Iovatt |
and Mr.. Cravath. and If they think should do it
The Chairman-T think you had better Mr. Har-
riman, because want to clear this matter I'D |
this morning. The committee will stand in recess
until this is over.
After recess the committee reconvened
SPEAKER AND GOVERNOR
O. Oby Mr. Hughes)-With whom had you these
inquiries? A.-To the Speaker of the Assembly
and the Governor.
gins? Ayes. sir.
O. (by Mr.. Hughes)-And the late Speaker Nixon?
o.-Dd you suggest anything them as to their
attitude in the matter? A.-No. sir.
quiry for official information? A-That is ali;
that they should-if anything came TO their notice |
that they should let me know, SO that could il
thought desirable, have some-be heard in the |
matter; me TO be heard-that the people in |
the Equitable that were opposed TO the Alexander
Q.-But understand II you did not suggest, or
request intimate that either the Governor or the
Speaker should take any position or commit him
self with reference TO the matter. way or the