Santa Fe new Mexican. [volume] (Santa Fe, N.M.) 1898-1951, 1905-12-15
HARTMAN ON STAND.
RE Said Ryan Bought the Equitable
Stock Just to Make Name
for Himself.

New York, Dec. 15.-E. H. Harri.
man was called to the stand when the
insurance investigating committee
opened its session today. He said he
learned Of the sale of the Hyde stock
on the day that Ryan bought it. He
telephoned Ryan and asked him If he
had bought it.
Ryan said the purchase was con-
ditional," said Hartman, "and that he
wanted to see me and talk with me
and that he wanted my help ! criti-
cised his plan and wanted to know
what he meant by it. Ten or fifteen
minutes later | went to Ryans office.
He told me he had decided to buy the
stock and said it was time for him to
make name for himself. He said he
had made good deal of money but
had never done anything to make a
name for himself.
Questions Motive.
Il questioned his motive, He had
told me he wanted my help and was
the one man in New York whose help
he desired"
What kind of help" asked Mr.
Hughes.
"To help him get his nominee elect
ed chairman of the board" replied
Hartman.
When asked upon Wnat ground he
criticised Ryan's plan Hartman re-
Piled:
well, it was rather staggering to
anybody that Ryan wanted to control
the Equitable or should have control
of it, told him." continued Harri-
man, that if was satisfied that he
was acting from pure and unselfish
motives in the interest of the EQuit-
able, would help him. He told me
his plans. | did not tell him then that
wanted share in the Hyde stock.
assisted him to get his nominee
elected"
Hartman said that when the move
was on foot to give the control of the
Equitable to James w. Alexander and
his friends, by means of legislative ac-
tion at Albany, he wired certain per-
sons at Albany to keep him informed
as to the progress of such proceedings
as they might make.
Knock at Papers.
When asked who these persons at
Albany were Hartman requested that
he might be excused from answering,
sion for sensational newspaper head
lines.
After a consultation the committee
decided he must answer and he did so
by saying that the persons from whom
he had requested the information were
Governor Higgins and late Speaker
Nixon of the assembly. After Harri-
man had answered Senator Armstrong,
chairman of the committee said: 1--WE
are sorry you gave such great mystery
to this matter as we all know that
such inquiry is regular and common"
Hartman then said: 81 ask the press
to spare these men and not to bring
their names into the headlines"
Hartman said that Ryan told him
that he would take no step without
him, but that later he pro-
ceeded without him. At a second con-
ference with Ryan, Hartman said:
"You want my cooperation" he
said yes, and | replied i will take
half of your stock if you will let me
name two trustees Ryan refused and |
told me had promised to help him If
was satisfied. said this was my !
way of being satisfied | do not re-
member what else | said. may have
said what those gentlemen say | did.
| intended unless | was satisfied OF
his motives to oppose his control OF
the Society, and thought it ought to
be stopped.
Denies Statement.
Did you tell Ryan If he did not give
YOU a share of the stock you would |
oppose whatever he did?' asked Mr..
Hughes
"No sir, the wrong impression has
been put on what came out OF this.
have no recollection of having said |
to Ryan that | did not intend to let
ANYBODY control that stock unless |
had share in it, l cannot positively |
say that | did not say It,"
When questioned in regard to the
political influence, Hartman said ne
was instrumental in preventing bills
from being introduced in the legisla'
ture to aid one faction in the Equitable
to get control of the Society.
1T has been openly charged" said
Hughes, "that you get your political
influence through your relations with
ODell."
'I should say ODell got his political
influence through his relations with
NC" ranliad Hartman.