The Guthrie daily leader. [volume] (Guthrie, Okla.) 1893-1996, 1905-12-14

superintendent otherwises Is his name
Lockcttg
A. No. sir he has nothing to do with
the employees. He Is simply a steward
and buys the provisions.
q. wset does no have TO do with
the patientss
A. Not q thing.
Q. Then. If ne does anything with the
patients. he docs Il In violation Of the
orders?
A. Yes. sir.
Q. How about the heating OF the
buildings?
A. That is done by -toves
O. How are they secured2
! A. They are protected by ratings
about them to keep the patients away
Q. How Is the building llghted7
A. BY lamps; there is no elec c.rlcal
concern in Norman for lighting
@ Are they protected In any way
from the patients?
A. / think so.
q state how. please.
4 A. The lights are not very numer'
GUS and they are not used general,
A until tho patients have retired. The,
retire very early know that the light,
are not down so that the patients coult
get them without assistance Is give.
them But Thwing could tell you abou
that better than l could. ] have nevei
been there after night and do not know
about It. do not want ID state with
out / knew. ! would not 5e a compe
tent witness on that point. getlemen.
BY Mr. Merrick;
Q. Does Mr.. Thwing superinten'
now7
A. Yes. sir; he Is actively in charg
and listens to all complaints tina; ar
made.
Q. Has Governor Ferguson ever Wis
tied the institution at any timer
A. One time.
O. when?
A. Along last winter, about this tins
II / remember correctly. The board NJ
pointed by Ferguson to investigate th
+ matter. three physicians and they mad
/ their report on the Gath day Of January
I 1902 / do not know, al taht time the
reported the conditions as shown b
their report
Q. Well al the time that thnt re
r port WAS made It was currently reporte
that the parties In charge were sue
that the committee did not approve {
them, or something to that effect, wa
o Il not2 And are not the same men
n charge now2 What ! want 10 get
is this. At the time that that repo
g was made 70 the governor there was q
d expression by the committee, dissa
J. isfactlon about the way things were b'
ing run there Now I want 10 kno
ftho same parties are IN charge the
n that wc-e at that timer
A. do not suppose they are, they a
~ constantly changing. The board MAJ
y various recommendation and we ha
complied with every reeommendat
y they have oeer made
ie O. They made "a recommendation ~
they were not getting enough food, al
ie thar there WAS some person there-tf
'e man Lockett. or some ono-who "
abusive 10 tho patients. Now, what
ls want to get az is whether the same on
are there ana occupying tho same POI
tons2
A. do not remember any such
port being madeg
"a o. We're these same men there "a
and occupying the same positions "a
IN as they were then? This man Lock
nd Is there7
no A. Yes sir
III O. And he was there theng
~ A. Yes, sir But his authority
~ been taken away The dissatisiaet
"a that was there before does not e'
u, now. ana he has nothing nov 20
~ with the patients Tie aid have the
~ thoriy 10 say where the patients We
~ and l.4a certain authority over Gri
~, n that unc, and W. took that a'
m from him and made him simply a 80
I'm ard-that Is AN that he Is
~ Q. During the Winklcr aaminial
.u- tion. he occupied another place did
sre A. lie occupied lt most of the 2
before.
sat q. What j am asking is this
fore you came in there this nta Le
we Ell occupied p different position q
5. what be does nav
he A. Yes sir
q. How long after you came FRA
the tR this man Lochett took me posi-
ne has nov.
.ere A. a very short time we have
ine am the time 90 keep .he patienH
.er- the attendants satisfied. u pr
ana hard % keep them an satisfied
PITY q DO you mind telling ua what
pay this man Lockettg
A. think i Is forty dollars 20
and board
az O. What do you pay crlninf
a. ] think n Is nfteen hundred
SUI lars a year ana the house he i've
the over there.