The Hawaiian gazette. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1865-1918, 1905-03-28

II. Il
put my arm around him. Yes, I saw
you looking when had my arm around
him. I don't know whether l kissed
him when you were looking or not.
didn't care who was looking. / had
so little time-only five minutes one
time and about sixteen minutes again.
PAULOKI HEARD.
Pauloki Ito Ach)-Had a permit to
go to the corral. When / landed an
officer took my permit and told me to
go up to the superintendent's house.
Nobody changed my permit. On the
way to McVeighs met lepers on both
sides of the road. / greeted them and
they greeted me. Had something to
eat. Was half an hour at the table.
When I came out met my brother out
side, shook hands with him. / kissed
him. Embraced him only while kiss
ing him. He asked me to go to his
house. I did. Met his wife and chill
dren-four boys and one girl. Wife
did not seem to be a leper. She and
children seemed to be we'll. 1 entered
their house. Stayed half an hour more
or less. After. that, with others, min
gled with lepers. At the house kissed
one of the children, also the mother.
On arriving at landing nobody told me
to go to the corral. Did not recognize
Pinkham in crowd at landing; he may
have been there.
To Pinkham-Nobody told me not to
touch the lepers. Noticed several men
there with white ribbons and some
red on the white. officer guarding the
gangway told me I might go ashore.
1t was Luahiwa. Saw no one giving
instructions to Luahiwa. All he said
was, "All who are strong and able
bodied enough to go through the waves
may CO." There were times when the
waves were high and times when the
waves We're low. Cannot answer very
well about turning back as l had no
idea of turning back Have no idea
of whether it would have been danger
Gus or not to turn the boat
II. E. MURRAY'S TESTIMONY.
II. f. Murray Ito Dickey) = Don't
know whether my pass was from Sem
ator Kalama or Senator Dowsett. Have
no relatives or friends at Settlement
only wanted to see the place. Forgot
my pass aboard, but on saying l had
one was allowed to go to Mr.. Nc
Weighs. Heard no instructions of Of
ficers at landing; was merely told to
go up to superintendent After eat
ing at the luau went to the Bishops
home and strolled around a little. Did
not go far away.
To Pinkham-On the steamer I know
body ashore except on their own re-
sponsibility. Think everybody who
went ashore did so on his own respon-
sibility. Besides the captain, l think
Senator Dowsett told the people the
same thing. Think Rep, Fernandez
assumed responsibility or charge along
with Senator Dowsett. l know that
some lepers-remember one distinctly
refused to shake hands with people
from Honolulu. Did not see members
of Legislature shaking hands with
lepers. Believe all the feeling of re-
sponsibility on the captains part re-
ferred to the state of the water. Would
not care to say whether there would
have been danger in putting the boat
back. Majority of people on board
wanted to get ashore. Did not see per-
sons taking off their coats and threat
ening to jump overheard to swim
ashore.
To Achi-Mailed my pass to Supt.
McVeigh after returning to Honolulu.
as 1 promised. Was offered another
pass by you Senator AchD, which was
made out in your sons name. You
knew l had pass aboard.
FERNANDEZ TESTIFIES.
Representative Fernandez (to Dickey,
on Pinkham declining to lead)-Went
ashore at Waikolu with Mr. Coelho and
Mr.. Kearns. Rode over from there
with Coelho. Do not consider myself
and committee had charge. Commit
tee had charge of arrangements for
steamer and permits from Board of
Health. After that understand our re-
sponsibility ended. Did not consider
we had the responsibility of keeping
clean persons from mingling with the
lepers. When House committee went
to president of Board of Health for
permits, they were granted by him on
condition that the permits We're only
to admit the holders to the corral.
NSuSBtSleu ny flnhndlnD les, Inere
We're two kinds of permits. One for
the members of the Legislature. also
members of the press, permitted the
holders to go all over the place. The
other kind, for relatives of the lepers,
were only to the corral. When came
to Kalaupapa I was surprised to see
so many people from Honolulu among
the lepers and l asked the superintend-
ent what about the other people on
the steamer. He answered that he had
committees ready to take care of them
whenever they came ashore. l said it
was not fair to let all these people
come in and keep those others on the
steamer, and he said that was all right,
they could come ashore any time they
pleased. At the superintendent cot
tage l saw Achi and others at the Ia
BILE. After while / went down with
Naopala at the landing, where we
waved for a boat and 1t came and we
went aboard and told the people they
could come ashore. The boats were