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The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1905-04-03

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The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1905-04-03

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The Seattle star. [volume] (Seattle, Wash.) 1899-1947, 1905-04-03

~ Jacob Wsideek.
Staff Correspondence OF the Seat
tie Sz1r.
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
RANGE BRED CATTLE.
Not n Success In the Feed Lot when
Grown 10 Maturity.

Not n Success In the Feed Lot when
Grown to Maturity.
In an interview in Breeders Gazette
William Wyness, cattle buyer for Ar,
mour, said of range bred cattle:
mo matter how good n range steer
looks on foot he will never show mp
with the native grown article in the
beef. Alive both may look Of equal
quality to the inexperienced eye, but
the expert readily detects the differ.
euce. Once the hide IL Off layman
can realize It. The bone In heavy and
the meat course and slncwy In the
ranger and the opposite In the native.
No matter how good they look with
the hide on, these defects loom up as
the dressing proceeds The aged range
steer IL not success In the feed lot,
and never will be.
"Thcse cattle must be taken Off the
range when they are young and tender.
This range beef maturing proposition
IS an unnatural thing anyway. 1t has
served the purpose Of creating n large
quantity Of cheap meat, and that ia all.
uht lNAuN Nlils lbI lllNlullN's llF
runs with his dam few months and
lcaves her side rolling fat. II the feed.
or got him then he could finish him In
good shape. but he goes through hard
winter or two down south and Is trans
fcrred to more Indictment region up
north. where another pair of rigorous
winters awaits him. by the time he is
four years old, the period OF his life
when he usually reaches the feed lot,
provided he survives, he IL a mass OF
bone and slnew. No feeder. no mat
ter how sklllful. could make good beef
OF him.
"Thc Texas idea Of sending calves
into the corn belt at weaving time Is
correct, and western stun matured aft
err that method will be as near equal to
native product as II is possible to get 1t.
But II feeders Insist on putting Zig
heavy range cattle into their feed lots
they must expect to meet discrimina-
ton ut marketing time. These cattle
are Improbable to cut up. and the con-
sumer does not want their meat.
Making these big western cattle IT
for market Is difficult task anyway,
as they nre hard to handle. On his
first or second trip the feeder finds
himself cropping In darkness. That Is
one reason why so many who have
handled them lately have been dsnp-
pointed with results. But | do not be-
licve they are the most profitable cat
tie for the feeder. True he has been
forced into using them by the scarcity
of good natives. lie had to use rang
cattle Of the beef type or dairy stu :,
and between the two evils he chose Z .
lesser. The solution OF this problem 10
my mind Is the securing of range
calves instead OF old cattle"
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
For Rent.

FoE RENT-15 to 30 acre tracts
OF land under pillow.
Il. =. BELL.
MASQUERADE SuGTs-For rent
apply 10 Charlie Week.
FURNISHED Rooms for light
housekeeping. close to town. APP
ply to Mrs w. $ Week.
NICE ROOMS FOR RENT
Nine nice rooms all freshly
painted and papered. Lower
story Masonic Hall.
SAM Pollock,
43tf or j. Il. THOMSON
FURNISHED RooMs-We have sew
nicely furnished rooms to rent
Apply at Wuertemburg House If
OFFICE Room FOR RENT. Room
1Ox27 feet, front of building,
ground floor. glass front. con-
venientlY located, for rent for
office. Apply at Press Office.
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
Care and Feeding
of Swine

Diseases of Swine" IL the title Of n
bulletin ISSUED ~ purdue university.
prepared by Or. A. w. Biting, vet
erlnarlan OF the experiment station.
Among other things DR. Biting says:
Care and feeding are factors OF great
Importance. The feeding of unsuitable
foods, us city swirl, dirty, sour slop,
those containing large quantities Of
soaps, feeding too heavily when too
young, feeding full ratlons of green
corn as soon as II Is ready, feeding cot
ton seed, feeding upon clover and where
there are many Erubworms and upon
land known to be infected with para
sites. are all factors contributing to
some form Of disease.
Sudden changes Of temperature, eX-
tremcs of heat and cold, exposure to
storms, etc, all have their effect Pill.
ing under straw stacks and hot sheds
predlsposcs TO pneumonia. Lying In
damp sheds causes skin troubles. The
hog does not need great deal of shell
ter, but needs that dry and comfort
able
Sometimes the difference Of few
rods makes the difference between hav-
ing disease in herd and not having 1t.
A dry, protected side IL always prefer.
able to one In the open or low.
The work OF this station has been
such as to prove that only vol water
deep well water from tubular well
can be recommended for all kinds Of
farm animpls. This applies with pos
sibly creator force to the hog than to
any other class, because cholera. a wa
ter borne disease, is the principal
scourge. In actual practice. however.
the reverse condition prevails.
Tho Valuable Hog.
Almost any kind of hog IL good eK-
cept a razorback, and he's better than
no hog.-Farm ana Ranch.
Elmo PoIand-China BOAR.
The picture Of the fine Poland. China
boar Agltator 6S025 Is reproduced from
Farm and Ranch. The animal IL owl
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
A POOR INGREDIENT
Addins motker.in.iaw TO the Domestic
Pot Often Makes II Boil Over

a good cook, good wife and good
Job will make Il good home anywhere,
but you add your mother-in-law and
the first thing you know you've got
two homes. ana one of them Is being
run on alimOny.
You want to remember that beside
your mother-ln.law you're Il COMPARE
tive stranger to your wife. After you
and Helen have lived together for a
year you ought to be so well acqualnt-
ed that she'll begin to believe that you
know almost as much as mamma. But
during the first few months of married
life there are apt to be good many tie
votes on important matters, and IL
mother-in-law Is on the premises she
is generally going to break the tie by
casting the deciding vote with daugh-
ter. a man can often get the best of
one woman or ten men, but not Of two
women when one Of the two Is moth
er-in-law.
When young wife starts house
keeping with her mother too handy it's
like running business with q new
manager and keeping the old one along
to see how things go. It's not in hu.
man nature that the old manager, even
with the best disposition in the world,
shouldn't knock the new one a little,
and you're Helen's new manager.
When want to make change l go
about 1t like crab-get rid of the
old shell first and then plunge right In
and begin to do business with the new
skin. 1t may be little tender and
open to attack at first, but it doesn't
take long to tougher up when it finds
out that the responsibility of protect
ing my white meat Is on it.-From
"Old Gorgon Graham; More Letters
From a Self Made Merchant to His
Son." by George Horace Lorimcr.
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
Judging Hereford Cows.

A full, bright, prominent eye and
wide expanding nostrlls are features
which are typical OF the breed. says an
English correspondent of Breeders Ga
sette. Some Of the very best breeders
may have rather lighter forehands
than may be quite orthodox In the
show yard Hereford; but, although this
may be overlooked as being not a
grave fault, on no account can any ap-
pearance OF want of flesh carrying
qualities be countenanced Narrow
hind quarters and thighs must be espe.
cially avoided. Flesh must he evenly
put OH; no sign of lumplness nor patchy
Pumps must be allowed. more especial.
ly in young calves and heifers, as this
defect is certain to be accumulated as
the animal increases In age. There
are no points more hereditary than
these and none which are harder to get
rid of II once introduced into herd.
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
San Anpelo,s Broadness Of Mind.

San Angelo can not escape the
fate which destiny has decreed
for her. This town will as surely
become a city as do the waters of
the Concho eventually find their
way to the sea. There is no
doubt of it in the minds of any
one.
Col. A. J Baker in his speech
at the breaking of dirt for the
new Methodist church said that
when he saw San Angelo twenty.
one years ago he believed that the
little village which then was
here, was destined TO become a
great city-the commercial CEN
ter of great section. SO strong
was his belief, that although on
his way to far-famed California,
he pitched his teht here and here
he has remained. This is cited to
show what has made San Angelo
what it is.
And the strongest reason for
San Angeles wonderful progress
today is the broadness.of -mind of
her peop!e-the hospitality and
liberality of people who through
the practise of these splendid
qualities have come to be known
far and wide as "the best people
on earth"
Nor is this all exaggeration
San Angelo would not be half the
city which it is today were it not
for the splendid qualities of her
people. They extend a hearty
welcome to all good men of every
cline and practise charity and
benevolence at all time.
San Angelo does not affect any
other disposition than that of
broadness and liberal thought.
The occasion of the recent bull
fight was an illustration. A
large number of the very best
citizens of San Angelo attended
this exhibition, which, when
demonstrated, proved to contain
no inhumane or cruel features.
San Angelo has that broadness of
mind that her people believe in
those things which go to make up
a good town, be they transient
amusements or permanent insti-
tutions. The people Of this city
prefer the open saloon to the club
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
Dat Hay For Breeding Horses.

If stallion in the stud gets the right
amount of cut hay in his grain ration
he does not need loose hay during the
day, says Breeders Gazette. Only the
best quality of hay should be fed to
breeding horses. Oats or wheat cut
when In the milk makes the best hay
for such animals If cured properly, as
such has less dust and dirt and usual
ly comes on to be cut and made at dry
season of the year The man who
makes business Of keeping breeding
stations will find it to his advantage
to make enough such hay to last them
the year around.
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
The SUFFOLK Draft Horse.

The SuffoIks are found In southeast
ern England and seemed to be of lin
tied distribution, says III. Il. Arbuckle
In National Stockman. There was no
discount on their colors. They were all
red sorrels. l believe other colors are
sometimes seen, but they are not de-
sirable. saw only sorrels. Never be-
fore have 7 seen breed Of horses Of
such uniform color. The Suffolks are
horses Of fine style, large size and good
action. but their underpinnlng Is not
sufficient for their weight. They seem
to be the smallest boned Of all draft
horses. would fear that they lacked
endurance so necessary in horses OF
this tyne
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
Real Estate.

j. l. Huffman reports the fol-
lowing sales:
For r. A. Lindeman to w. S.
Casey, . acres just east of Nor.
gan's addition for $3.50.
For f, w. Roby to r. G. Fer
guson, lots /, 2 and 3 of block 8,
Ellis addition, for $3.50.
l.. f. st. John sold for Joseph
Tweedy at Knickerbocker, 14O
acres of land to J. F. Price for
$3.50.
Broome & Farr report the fol-
lowing sales: w. B. Hunter to
Geo B. Hendricks, lots 6, Z and
s, block Z, Ellis addition, consid-
Grafton $500.
Chas. p. Broome to Il. L. Cheek
I acre tract of land northwest of
DR.. NJ. NJ. Woodward's home
place, for $3.50.
J. w. Johnson and w. b. Hun
ter to w. Y. johnson, fractional
part of block 30, Ellis addition,
for $40.
Morgan e. Heckert report the
following sales of lots in Lasker's
addition:
To h. B. Gragg for A. J. Nor
gan, lots and . in block No. 81,
consideration 1920; to Will Scott
for same party, lot 3. block 81,
consideration $50; to j. n. Scott
for same party, lot 4, block ID,
$50; to w. G. Woodward for Miss
F. E. Morgan, lots II, ~, IL and
IA, block ~, $500; to Miss f. f..
Morgan for w. G. Woodward, lots
I and s. block ~, 500
For B. G. Robinson to Edward
Merrick, s acres of the James
Williams survey for $3.50.
j. |. Huffman reports the fol-
lowing sales for Il. W. Roby:
To r. G. Ferguson 3 lots Nos.
/, . and 3, block Z, Ellis addition,
at $G2 80 per lot.
To Il. Wilson of Tennessee, 4
lots in same block of same addi-
ton at same price.
Jackson IL Murrah report the
following sales:
For DR.. Boyd Cornlck to }. J..
Cock burn of Bonham, 507 acres
on Dove Greek, including 1877
acres of irrigated land, so acres of
which are in alfalfa, considera-
ton $12, 200.
For John D. Scott to J. J. Cock
burn, 43 acres on Dove Creek, in
GLIDING Is acres of irrigated land,
for 81, 100.
For H. H. Mitchell to r. l..
Mundy of Mexico, NO., a five
room residence and two lots in
North San Angelo, consideration
81 300.
For w. A. Cochran to r. l..
Mundy, 6 lots and improvements
in Morgan addition for $3.50.
For A. j, Morgan to h. l..
Mundy. 2 lots in Morgan addition
for 5000.
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
Classified Advertisements
For Sale.

For SALE-Some fine milk
cows, graded Jerseys and other
kinds; also for sale or trade, |
good ranch hack. Apply to {. f..
Wilson, 8 miles west of San An
gelo. If
For SALE.-50O acres good
farming land. So acres in cultiva-
ton, 2 good houses, plenty of
water, together with go head
Hereford Cattle, for sale cheap if
taken at once. Apply at this Of,
flee.
OLD PAPERs,-15c per hundred
at The Press office.
ANY THING-You want trans
ferred on short notice call up D .
f. Cocreham, phone 1870. 23tf
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
SPENCER'S Big SALE
An Interesting Event as Evinced by
the Crowds Which Attend on
Opening Day.

That the big sale of Austin
Spencer IL Go is huge success is
proven by the crowds which at
tended it yesterday A represent.
alive Of the Press dropped in there
about 10 o clock yesterday morn.
ing, or rather started in there
but the doors were closed 1t was
announced that on account of the
large crowds inside that the wants
Of others could not be attended
to and people on the outside were
asked to wait until they could he
waited on. Some customers were
taking away great arm loads of
merchandise and some lines on
display, having been depleted,
were being replenlshed. And all
this in spite of the GOODNESS and
discomfort of the weather.
Advertising has done good
work for Austin Spencer e CCs
The newspaper readers Of San An
gelo are readers of advertisements
and ever since Mr.. Spencer an
nounced through the columns Of
the Press early in January that
he would inaugurate a sale, keen
interest has been felt by the peo-
pie of this section. The Press
does not credit the success of this
great sale entirely to advertising,
If the values as advertised we're
not there when the people came
to see, the sale would fall flat. If
the people did not find the goods
to come up to the representations
they would not be taking them
away in great bundles and ve-
hicles. The sale is a success and
lots of goods are being sold.
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26

w. Il. Rawls aud wife left We'd
nesday for El Paso, after two
weeks visit to J. d R0wls aud
family.
r. II. Henderson and Jack
Miles received a fine, blood bay
buggy mare Saturday from Long
view.
Rowland d. Williams is Mt Hot
Springs, Ark, to try the healing
waters of that place, for his rheu-
matism.
Plant Seed Co.'S garden and
flower seed-the best and most
prolific. j. Il. Taylor,
William Lamb and family, of
Jonesville, Wis, are visiting the
family of r w. Hoskiu4 for a
few days.
Miss Prudie Herring of Mexia,
has succeeded Miss Pittmau in the
primary department Of the pub
lie schools.
Mrs. Edward Chauncey Rice
and little son, of Cripple Creek,
Colo, are in the city, the guests
of DR.. and Mrs, J. F, Riggs.
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
Action In Draft Horses,

No one expects in draft horse the
quick nervous walk OF the trotter or
saddle horse; neither should his pnce
be elephant!ne. If his levers are prop
erly set, If he is balanced in his anato.
my and If the disposition IL not slug
gish, he will walk with ease, even with
grace, comparatively speaking. In
deed, some draft horses walk with such
sprightly step that they are called CAV.
The difference in value In actual work
between dull, slow, cloddy, stumbling
walker and horse that walks with
prompt, cl"nn, true supple stride Il
almost beyond computation. The walk
should be free from Interference, from
brushing, from padding The hooks
should be held well together and the
iron on all four feet flashed in yo r.
face as the horse leaves you.-Bree, q.
er's Gazette.
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
SHEPHERD AND FLOCK

The head OF the Cotswold ram should
be masculine in character. broad be-
tween the eyes, moderately fine In the
eve and well covered in the crown
with long, lustrous wool. The face
may be either white or white mixed
with gray, the legs of the same color,
nostrils w'le and open, nose dark,
eyes prominent and mild ears broad,
long, mode tely thin and covered with
short hair, The topknot Of wool be-
tween the eyes should be ample. Light
tufts and bare heads are very objec-
tlonable. Formerly an ample tuft was
all that was called for, but modern
taste favors wooly face, though thHt
was not characteristic Of the older
breed.-Farm Visitor.
Fall Dipping of Sheep.
Sheep should be dipped In the fall
This process Is more difficult than
spring dipping, as the weather must
be taken into account.
Look out For Worms.
Some tlockmasters make it rule to
feed Il little worm powder occasionally,
whether the sheep show symptoms OF
worms or not 1t is good plan and
should be more generally practIced
One cannot be too sure that his flock
Is not troubled with worms, and the
result of the use Of little good worm
powder may surprise him. Wool Mar
kets and Sheep.
The Wool Growth.
A good even growth of wool requires
uniform feeding throughout the year.
says Wool Markets and Sheep. A short
period of deprivation causes wenk
streak all through the fleece, and buy
ers are always on the lookout for do.
fects that will reduce the prices.
Gull the Flock.
Concerning culs, there should be
zone, says American Agrlculturlst. A
good shepherd dlslikes to turn Off Il
eve as long as she shears fair fleece
and raises lamb or two. But watch
the mouth, A sheep with scattering or
loose teeth Is past her prime. Sell Dor
at the first sign ofgdecadence, and she
will fatten albright" ~
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
San Angeloites in Mexico.

Col. A. S, CAN'T writes from
San LUIS Potosi, that he and Mrs.
CAN'T are enjoying their trip very
much. Mr., and Mrs CAN'T spent
q day in San Antonio enroute and
three days in Monterey. Mr..
CAN'T and Mr.. Wallingford were
going to Tampico while Mrs.
CAN'T and Mrs. Jno. Mcdonald
would visit near San Luis Potosi.
They would then meet again at
the latter place and go to the city
of Mexico.
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26

Mrs, A. G. Rieger and son, who
have been visiting Mrs. G. H
Rathie, left Wednesday for their
home in Comanche.
Mrs, Arts B. Sherwood gave a
recital of her music class at her
home last night,
John Cochran arrived Wednes.
day evening from Uriqhe, Mex,
on short visit to relatives,
A license TO marry was issued
January goth, to J. L. Kannadv
and Miss Cora belong,
Harvey McGuirt came over
from Miles Saturday
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
Wanted

WANTED TO BUY-We have a
client who wants to buy a house
close To town. There must be at
least 8 rooms, : not too many.
Have cash to pay for the right
place. Do not apply but address
Y. G. NJ, care Press.
PosTTIoN Naturalization as
bookkeeper and ograph 9 +
wanted by lady with experience.
NJ X. care Press.
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
A Pretty Paint Shop.

A Press representative was
shown through the paint shop of
Smith e. Robertson yesterday.
And pretty one it is too. In
order to make room for that car
load of paints recently received
they have had shelves put in the
room formerly occupied as an
office and it is very pretty
sight and is chuck full of goods.
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26

Never use V shaped troughs IN which
to feed sheep grain. The troughs should
have wide, fiat bottoms, 30 that the
grain can I've scattered. which will pre-
vent the sheep from boiling It In
mouthfuls. Have sufficient number
of troughs, SO that the sheep will not
he crowded while eating
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
Fishing Party Returns.

The hunting party composed OF
Messrs. Bob Balfanz, W, NJ
Anderson, Ed Russell and G, w
Johnson, returned Saturday even
ing. They travelled over large
portions of Tom Green, Irion and
Reagan counties, found plenty of
game, had a good time and en-
joyed the outing very much,
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
Miss Bell Entertains.

Miss Blanche Marie Bell enter
tanned a few of her friends at
Belmont Tuesday evening.
Those who attended report a most
ENJOYABLE evening.
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
AdITAToR 6So25.

ed by j. r. Jackson, whose hog farm IL
located three miles southeast of Rich
ardson, Tex. Agitator was bred by
S. G. McFadden OF West Liberty. Ia.
His sire was 1t G3333 by Tee. Chief II.
by Chief Again.
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
Book Retention.

A book reception will be held
Tuesday evening February IA,
from 4 O'Clock until midnight at
the residence of w. S. Cunning
ham. This entertainment will be
given by the Woman's Club and
gprogram of music rendered.
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26

j. II, Franklin, Il well known
wool buyer, left Tuesday for FIT.
Worth on business and will return
in few days,
The San Angelo press. (San Angelo, Tex.) 1897-1907, 1905-01-26
The Weather.

No man knows what the NOR
row may bring forth, especially in
the weather line. Monday was u
pretty balmy day. although
cloudy and damp in the forenoon.
Tuesday started out we'll, but de-
veloped storm of wind and dust
about 3 o'clock. The afternoon
was cloudy. At eleven p. m. it
was clear with the moon shining
brightly. Yesterday was cold and
snowy looking, Today may be-
but then we've been here too long
to tell.