New-York tribune., 1905-12-13

y = Sns ,tiet was short conversation. and it was
fhs sid You have another interview with
h e ssfs5fGaT IRIS st inteqisw sT with him inter
view at your Office or at his officer ALI was 1'
fnssry5sw az my eiiacs
oJThsf was before nIr. hartman knew you had
ognr het e1e te You didn't tell him what your plan
o-Gnd the conversation was general oneT A.
alone? Al don & rsmem5e9 e9t waefaf oP mf cfTath or
owhen did he see you with Mr.. Root and Mr.
Cravath? At was--I think it was ei1her aolpN8S
oSThe following Monday or Tuesday, A--Tne
oEAad where did that Interview take paaoeE A.
An oos then a was the matter that you have stated
sy ges SseuSSeG weTe ali those things that have
time? A-sIost OF them
MR. ROOT AND MR. CRAvATH PRESENT.
o.-when Mr. Root ana Mr. Crayath were pres
oLDid 1o9 at the first interview with Mr. Har.
TiTnan. after you had bought the STOCK: zen gum %
your intention to hand it over 70 "us'ees'
Q-No. the next interyiew Tog after me 'uF'nS'0
Odd you tell him who the trustees weTeF A.
Witnesses Counsel-If he knows.
0Yes That had % alFsSaS 4o4s g Peec CIeTeIand let
ren fact the three letteTS SeFe On On ne uers on
e%Iy oTon ssV that Mr. Hartman said that he had
sn what way? A,-Well in trying TO straighten out
the FTick committee and was director OF tne
oEDid he ten you what he desired to accomplish
by being interested in the purchase OF me s'"cA'
ODD he advance any reasons why you should
ALLOW him an interest IN IN f4s pTrGpaSe3 IemeTnber
0-You have said that he desired to paruclpate
as to to- the management of the company? A-There
was nothing special said about II. Mr. HngneS. ,t,o
which should be adopted by the company A.
9.Gor by the managers? A-NO: sir. -.
Qwhat did you tell him pTeGsey f s9 Tbe 20 COM S
Sany? Al told hi1n--I stated TO him the way
proposed to work out me transsG9I a HAN YES he
objected 10 having the-5hought was making
o4Did he tell you why he thought that was
o9Was + at the Interview when Mr.. Root and
aEr. Cravath were present that ne suggested oe-
6 o%yeTe q those two trustees to be in addition to
the three? A.-They were to be In addition 10 the
o@Did he say what he expected to be S eoO0m- @
PIshed b. nominating me IN taaf haqu0na4 UuS'ee0'
oWhat did he say in that eonnseo1hT st 3. As A6os
Savse the right to name two trustees
WANTED HALF THE STOCK
o.-And also what part Of the stock? A-wen;
my impression now is Mr.. Hughes that ne "anteo
o-He wanted half of the stock and the right to
would indicate reason " ny ne thought you snouIo
ff7,stees? For the reason that he had been il
the Equitable had beer director in the Eguitaole;
culties through the Fricl committee concluded
that was the reason That was the only reason he
o-GHe wanted a part of the control-that was the
substance of itP A.-That the substance OF It
Q-Yes; and he was not satisfied that the eontroI r
hands of trustees nominated by you? Al so un-
o.@Yes Now, you said that he told you that you
would not be able to carry out your plan againS5 gf
eivef Ale said his full influence would be
6@Whaf sort of influence did he nnention7 Al
don't know that he mentioned any special inhu-
Q-Didn't he say that his political influence
would be against you? A-Yes; . o,,+,.a7 t,a,,.nos
he would urge against You? A,--He did i'd. not
0Did he refer to the legislature? He re-
fered to probable legislative actions or acJio1.or
said that the legislature would probably take ac-
o-Did he say -ysaat sort of action he would prob
QDid he say et6eT would be IN JsgigIatiion alton
that he said legislative action. some legislative
Q-Now. can you state the substance Of what he
said? How did he put that in regard TO legislative
Would probably result and that his influence for or
quest his influence would be thrown in your favor2
AaEel that was plain to me- II would De-
9hat 9Ba s a ioT5 PTa9 E AYf at IS Won did not divide
.bs control e With VIII hin him his his infi9ence @ Would be
thrown against you? Ale said his whole infu-
Q.-&nd that there would probably be legislative
action7 Ayes. or there might be legislative ac-
Q.-No7v. in what EVENT. want to get this as pre-
would be legislative action? AEWelI, the air was
fun Of talk about legislative action at that time,
ON that interview? A.-No, I mean the atnnos-
view: wouldn't put it that way
MR. ROOT HEARD DISCUSSION.
ODD he refer to the political influence that he
would assert at the interview at which Mr. Root
and Mr. Cravath were present? Any recollection
DID he refer to the probability of legislative
ACTION at that same inteTyiew? He diG; -.
legislative action in the event that YOU gave him
q share Of the purchase? A.-No.
Q--Tlen, his mention of legislative action was in
connection with your refusal grant his request?
A-WeL tried to put that as ree9lIect 1t, III MI
his influence would be important for or against me-
ON the event of legislative action his influence
Q.Anght be for or against you? Yes
ne eHPiain b noN did h1s not nuenee "0uo Do
o-Did you say anything 10 him IN regard TO
Q.-You didn't ask him why it would be i'm
9 nd4 he & t s yG in N te aff ere ia{ " wGd
probably be legislative action? A--No. he did not
Didn't he tell you that if you did not meet
ais wishes or permit him TO have share OF the
against you? A,-Not in that way.
x5{ire inuenee n wSether Ijoca nancia or
otherwise. would be against me.
OFF you did not yield to his request? Ayes
Q.-That was It? A-That was my understand
Q.-And that included whatever influence he was
legislative action? Al wouldn't say that Mr.
o-But he told you that his influence was i'm
poTtant and would have Importance in case there
was legislative actionP A-Yes
Qs-That is the substance OF it1 Ayes
INFLUENCE I'm ANY DIRECTION"
o-And YOU understood fully that In refusing to
meet his wishes you were taking the chance OF
Enws2 a n a