New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1905-10-05


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r,. 81 1913 $40 IA s47es27 o.
NO VOUCHERS HELD.
o Ne so pa gon made by you the other day
that for the raid s to NE haTilsGp is E ALL
o2That applies to this total $'6sS' w Al
oHo this does INCLUDE regiments soss made ea to
William A. Moss. does II. A19 o occo7iptant in
ss aslsc6Isstis Of the company. ,,,,z.s
o@S-e the payments made to Moss lncIu9eo IN
shs r11Td total Of law expenses here stateoF A
Yes sia; t bo7 long time has he represented your
aT1oE about three years, Mr.. Hughes -
2s the HsT i4e ORR by the USE Of any funds Of
Sh ' eoc.efy either in the agency or otheTWise cor
eg8psgn for the Senate in Massachusetts A
N oe%Not penny? A--NO, sir; never heard Of
SUCH ma psye heard of course. that he had very
1isorous contest for election at one time? A
W. / really don't know anything about II -. .
O2y-You really don't know anything about 1tF a
n.5 5 Won always IN dealing with men in States
where your desire is 10 PreVef faT as the con-
with attorneys ana couaset 5o mat hamilton
oi oIW2s Mr. Hamilton supposed to deal With the
man who could produce results? Al THINK he
"SS, Nj he was an attorney. or whether he
was any other man? A.-The best fellow he could
o-The ether day reference was made by wit
ness from the Equitable Life 70 an aIrals a
the representatives Of the New ORR lie, me ne
Se%t that such arrangement was made? A-No'
know nothing at all about it HamlIten was "a
Ssnsda - do know that he consulted with the
Equitable Mutual and other companies regarding
o4But he had entire freedom in that respect?
in he efhe er Words he could with the
ether representatives Of the other eopahles b 10
divide the territory as he pleased! Al IhlllN He
eQ eaA nd to employ whoever he pleased? A
o-And 10 do whatever he thought was necessary
10 prevent the attacks which you feared? A
oLpid YOU ever meet Mr.. Thummel? Al did
Q.-Have you ever had any talks with hlm aoou 5
steps which should be taken 10 prevent threateneo
one in Iowa on tax case a. me ei4e5 fees from
on two occasions. amounting 10 about Se'VV''
WORK DONE AT WASHINGTON
o-What two occasions were those? Aj-0ne vas
the Iowa case, and the other was relaIihs 10 lhS
Q-When was the latter? Al think it was In
o.EWen win you explain why It was with the
counsel you have at your command you shoud en-
The statement regarding that was that ThunlInel
Situation. and that he would be sent up to talk
with me about it and he did, and found him very
people and tie people who were urging t. and what
sh9q I'd be a9a e9qt to i Tefan 9h direct
Odd he 90 out TO Iowa on that? lie oid,
'S o@Re9Fssepssd he Mutual 2. AL believe So
0-And what was the result OF his mission7 A
o 6l-lin what? An defeating the tax Of per
0g op.t&Defeating a bill for that purpose? Ayes,
sir. . -,o.us .oo :. mas -
tained with regard 10 the proposed legislation for
federal supervision? A-Y es- z. 400
No hs - what was he to 90? A-weIl he seemed
.. he batter ACQUAINTED with the people at Wash
sngton than anybody that Judge Hamilton could
5eg5{ed himself 10 the Introduction of this bill
It didn't pass finally didn't amount to anything
and I think retainer think 1t was Sl6N.
oIDo You Know why he should be retained? A.
No. no other reason except he was a man very
largely acquainted in Washington. I don't know
az and in that he represented the other com
panies I suppose, as well? A-"el yes; thlnk
Q.@Do you know of any contributions having
been made by insurance conpa mes 10
Never heard Of such thing, ,.o,.,u. sometime.
with in different States have you not2 A
ASSsUi,b whom? A-Wen with the officers Of
the companies as a rule they would come 70 New
IoEH they W09 G like a Mr. Psterso9 OF the Union
Central Life, and Mr.. Merrell Of The NORTHWESTERN
The attacks that were made on the companies every
year, would consult and choose any person 10
6.SW. J. Holden's, name was mentioned the the
inguranee interests IN MassachIsefts? A re b T
he was retained by Mr.. Moss
ONE AGENT NOT a LAWYER.
o-Is he an attorney? A-No: I think, MT
Hughes under the Massachusetts law ne does not
"1ee Re was not retained then to perform legal
xeTxIees9 A-Ro. If he were an attorney l should
So YES hui if he not under the MASSACHUSETTS,
Law you have right 10 register ahgpooy ei'ieF an
attorney or sn agent
o. am =. king IS TO whether he was en-
-oloved with reference TO proposed legislation IN
Massachusetts2 A--Oh. that was the sole purpose
% omSoT- did You have Mr. Holden under a reg
,ilar retainer? Ale got $500 for three years,
Q.-And when2 A.-Sey three years ago. say 1901
1902 and 1903, 1909, 1901 and wv
Q.-Was he paid by Hamilton or paid direct by
.he company? A.-No; he was paid direct.
C.-Now, where do the amounts paid TO Mr..
Holden figure IN your accounts? A-They went 10
OEAnd they are part of these totals that you
have given here2 A.-They are.
C.-Now, you met Mr.. Holden from time to time.
f7iSn'f you2 Al don't believe / ever saw the man
Q.-You had correspondence with him? A.-No.
neFer: a., - z. -,
an Massachusetts A--Wel, the Massachusetts law,
&c sav required You register everyb body eppear-
ne IN relation TO bills before the legislature and
srSsteveP he did in that respect ! think he would
ssatiFv them what was going on, and generally keen
~, nosted, I suppose. with what was occurring in
The way Of proposed legislation and legislative dis
e1ssloh I'd see that legislation that was not nro,sr
,.SieIefion in regard 10 the policyholders sboIId
.'of nsss il he could prevent II? A-That IS what
ne "4S aTe conversant think with the Iagtsl,
~, a., y,arics States sufficiently to know that me-,
a nosftion 70 deal with such matters frequently
seo-esent 4 great many interests, not only insur-
a1ea interests but other interests2 Al assume
that 10 be so. .-f.fc., ~, 49,,
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