The Hawaiian gazette. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1865-1918, 1905-03-28

THE TESTIMONY.
David Motley. the first witness, be-
ing sworn said he went to Molokai
last Saturday night. He had per-
init from the Board of Health to go
with the Legislature and stop at the
corral. I'VE did go into the corral for
a little while and then went up to the
place with the crowd.
Stayed at McVeigh's about an hour.
Then went to the luau for about an
hour. Went thence to see my brother,
VIM. Motley, where / stayed about an
hour. He is leper, has house there.
1 shook hands with my brother. His
wife was with him. She is not a leper.
Saw many people outside the corral.
Yes. they mingled with the lepers.
While at the Settlement nobody chang
ed my permit to let me go at large.
Examines a permit.) Yes, my per-
nit was worded the same way. When
we arrived at the harbor Mr.. Pinkham
was not there. Had no conversation
with anybody about changing my per-
NIT.
To Dickey-Know where the corral is,
It is supposed to be at the landing. 1t
is a building; looks like a warehouse
from the landing straight up.
Dickey-I think you have things
mixed up.
Witness at this described his moves
ments, making it clear that he had
been through the corral.
To Pinkham-Capt. Clarke was in
authority on the Kinau. (Achi object
ed to the line of questioning as ir-
relevant. holding that the whole mat
ter hinged on the permit. He gave
way to argument on the point, when
Pinkham said to save time he would
admit there was some contact between
we'll and sick.) Capt. Clarke, the wit
ness resumed, did not decline any re-
sponsibility or assume any regarding
people leaving the steamer. Senator
Dowsett stated that any persons 60
ing ashore would have to take the re-
sponsibility on themselves. l took the
responsibility on myself to go into the
boat. In my judgment Capt. Clarke
had authority to recall a boat after
it left the steamer before it reached
the landing. Saw no Honolulu officers
at the landing. Did see Kalaupapa Of
fcers there-the ones with white
badges.
/ was told by these officers about
not going into contact with the lepers.
The corral is about rs feet long and
20 feet wide and I should judge would
hold thousand people. Gaughter) 1
saw TO preparations at the landing for
a luau. Speaking for myself the Board
of Health was not responsible for the
contact of visitors with the lepers. 1
hold was responsible.
Pinkham-It is that We did not club
the people back. We acted the gentle
men to you people, didn't We?
Witness-Yes.
(Dickey objects, on the score of time,
to the line of examination. The mat
ter being ELECTED would better come in
a personal statement from Mr.. Pink
ham, as the witness was not an ex>
pert.)
with few more questions, the wit.
ness was released.
DAVID CARTER TESTIFIES.
David Carter, sworn and examined by
Dickey, told about receiving a corral
permit. Met his brother at the corral.
stayed there about five minutes, shook
hands with his brother, went with him
to the warehouse. where he asked his
brother to go outside as he wished to
have n talk with him. His brother
asked him to ride with him in his
brake up to McVeigh's, but he did not
like to do so, as he (witness) was with
friends. Finally he consented and
drove up. Went to the luau. His
brother did not go inside with him.
After the luau drove around the Set
tlement streets with his brother, visit
ing the different homes and other
points of interest. Went to see a little
house on the beach where his brother
had boats. At last was driven down
to the landing and went aboard the
steamer.
1 did not see any restrictions on peo-
pie while 1 was there. Saw some Ho-
nolulu policemen. One was in Mr. Nc
Weighs house, where he sat down q
while and then went out. He did not
seem to act like policeman on duty.
To Achi-My permit was not chang
GU. lShdSCu IL oNcT 10 an tS,
I kissed my brother about a hundred
times, did so at many places in the
Settlement.
To Pinkham-Don't know whether
the landing was crowded or not: It was
pretty rough when we got there.
Q. Do you think the officials would
be justified at any time, when the boat
was rounding the end of the wharf. to
have ordered the boat back to the
steamer?
Witness and Dickey both failed to
when Pinkham said he
meant to ask IL 1t would not have en-
dangered human life to turn back the
boat.
Witness-Yes, 1t would have been
dangerous. Mr.. Dowsett showed au-
thority on the steamer. He tried to
stop us from going ashore.
Q. What did you understand by the
words on your permit. Ito the corral
only?'
A. That we should not go anywhere
else.
Q. Didn't you understand that you
were not permitted to come in contact?