The Guthrie daily leader. [volume] (Guthrie, Okla.) 1893-1996, 1905-12-13
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a. William Grimes.
Q. DO you refer to The william Grimes
that lives here--the secretary Of the ter
ritory?
A. Yes. sir
Q. Now what other money do you
know OF being obtained a, that bank
FOR the purpose Of purchasing stock in
that company or corporr.ion2 BY any
body. II any2
a. Mont. as ] know or
Q. when was that as near as you
can recolect. thar three thousand dol
bars obtained2
a. have "a memorandum that was
taken IN October 1901 that have ac-
cidentally preserved that might fur
nish The ovidenee.
@ You can refresh your recollection
by looking az chat. them and testify
A. The stock referred TO here are
certificates numbered n and a. dated
Aiay "a, 1901 / am not positive JUS
when they were received by the bank.
but they were spread on the records IN
September following.
@. 10 you mean on the bank records?
A. Yes. sir. ! might say. instead Of
that, they was taken for securities
They was placed Ia security in settle
ment III September.
@. Who did that?
a. ! am not positive whose entry Il
was but they We're entered in the se-
curities at that time am no. posi-
tive VINO made the entry. but they were
entered in tho security register at tha.
time
@ For whose bcnentg
a. For It's beneht-the banlss-at
that tlme-ihey were in the possession
Of the bank
Q. When the money was given, is il
the slime money that you referred to
as having been obtained by Grimes, and
thus it was carried during that time by
a ticket IN the cashY
a. The ticket. as 1 understand It.
was given by Bmlngsley. with the In
structans to me that It was Grimes
ticket, for stock "a the company.
by Mr Decker You don't remember
that positively?
A. That was our understanding at
lhat time. yes. sir. remember It, and
% was carried that way straight
through. ! remember OF il. yes, Sir.
vas looking up the matter today since
] got the summons, and ] locked up the
figures.
by Mr. strang State as near as YOU
can, Air Dolcater, when that moaey
was obtained and that ticket placed in
the cash2
A, There was some transaction rcla-
tive 70 stock certificate No. 2s, which
was dated August 26. 1901 and was
transferred on Auguat e. 1901 But L
am not clear as to just what that trans-
action was
O. Are you clear as to wnom The
eoniraci-the Transaction had be-.
tween whom?
A. Nothing more than that the item
came from the Guthrie National hank
j do not remember who received IL. but
% came from that bank 20 the Capitol
National
O. What was tho amount OF that GER
iihcste No 252 For how much?
A. DO not remember
O. DO you remember .he amount OF
the other two shares you first gaveg
a. I can not state that positively. but
think they were for three thousand
dollars each.
Q. Now, d / understand you, that
three thonsaaJ dollars was carried IN
me form of a ticket as cash until some
time ia September when q was entered
on the fecurities book What did that
meaI--whon you entered Il ln the socu-
rites book? Did that mean it was held
as security or was security for some
thiagq
A. II was placed then In tle posses-
siam cf abe bank. Afterwards The bank
examiner required the stock to be taken
I upi J DO not remember that transaction.
it was Ia september when Il was placed
in the security book -i90i-and it went
into the possession OF the bank.
Q. The oash dld7
A. The security aid
By Decker.
@ Whose was itg Tiat bank whose
bank Is thatg
a. Tho principal stock Was owned
at that time hy Bmingsley. and Is now,
as I understand
3y suang
9. What Il amy. further tnnslc-
lion Wns had when that cash was pnssed
into the hands Of the bank?
A. DO not remembeI. but g was am
Z undrsiandlng between the parties in-
I tercsted. ln other words, ihe oWners
of fhe stock The owners OF the certin-
cate. and HillngsIey ! think
y. Who were the ownyrs O. ihe cer-
dncate3
a. it WAS my understanding that
] Crimes owned a.
I @. Those two that sou have mcn-
tioaedg
"A. Yes. SIR
q. being three tbousanl dollars each
.. YES. slr. win state that the oer-
thcatfs as numbered above on each VIII
appear iho numher Of the securities.
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