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safeguard the Equitable. MIR. Ryan
did not tell me at the first interview
what he paid fol-, the Hyde stock.
cra - At the next nrs. interview Root and
You want my p co-operations; ' H He said.
Yes I said, Il will take half your
stock lie You will let me name two trus-
tees Ryan refused and told me had
promised to help hims ifaI was salts
fed / said this was my way Of being
ct do, not remember what else Il
said. | may have said what these gen
tlemen say ! did. intended, unless I
was satisfied of his motives, to oppose
It ought to be stopped. knew whom
he had selected as trustees but didsnot
know his plan to divest himself of con-
troll OF the stock
Why Hartman Objected.
=, 80 y Why did you obiectf" asked Mr..
{. Nv. wanted two trustees independent
tees named, as Mr.. Ryan named them,
must be to a certain extent under his
control, especially as he had named a
man out OF his own organization as
name two trustees, but merely that they
should be independent Of Ryan. / Of
fered to turn my stock over to the socie-
ty If all did. don't see why he should
not make the trustees number a hun
dred if his motives were pure. I was
not a philanthropist and did not consid-
er it such for him to pay .$2,500,0Oo,
he got control Of tie society sa pace It was Was
because of my interest in the Equitable
that [ wanted share. There was no
possibility Of a panic. No one but
Ryan had such view. doubt
whether he had it.o
AS to Alleged Threats.
Did you tell Ryan if he did not give
you share of the stock you would OBJ
pose whaSever he did az asked Mr..
Hughes.
mo, sir. A wrong Interpretation
has been put on what came out Of this.
p have no recollection of having said
to Ryan I did not intend to let ANYBODY
control that stock, unless I had share
In 1t. | cannot say positively that I
did not say it.
Did you tell him he would have
your help If he gave you share9,,
9 [ made no demand for the stock. hut
insisted that he should satisfy me Of the
purity OF his motives, which he could do
10y giving me a snare. ~
Did you tell him he could not sue
coed without your helps'
- was convinced that he intended
in himself and told him that nv in
fuence would be thrown against him,
l told him | would use every effort T
could. 1t was not SO strenuous an in
terview. It lasted only fifteen min
utes.''
Not Certain as to Words.
Did you refer to legislative action
or say anything about the legislature ~
- do not recall any such thing, nor
that ! would do anything to induce
legislation. cannot say positively
that d1d been don + know that it would
knew that there would be legislation
Lon the matter. If | recollect it T
would be perfectly willing to tell
|you.
s. esDid you take any steps to thwart
Ibis plans7" =
"Not yet. / had no conversation
with Governor Odell about the advisa-
bility Of legislative investigation
nor about legislation whatever. I
knew nothing about the investigation
whatever
Hartman In Politics.
Mr.. Hartman said he is in politics
and has some political influence and he
did not consider it improper if he did
use his political influence against
Ryan.
Nothing improper in Ryan s con-
duct Of the Equitable has yet come to
my attention. he said and have
not have time to attend to it. If any
thing had come to my attention I
should have acted. :
What is your political influences',
1t is such as any man of promi-
hence has who has never asked anyone
to do anything improper. i have great
interests in New York and am often
consulted.
Mr.. Hughes asked how he was con.
suited.
ST have to do with preventing bills
from. hnii1n IN trnd11nnd in Tho lnniala