New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1905-12-16

! o.-Did you have any consultations with MEN,
W regard ard to ssr % fb Ho sir
Q.-or with any public officer? A.-No. sir
In politics relating to the, matter? A.-Not that
hays talked Th
or out OF politics do not know, but it had no re-
DID taik with Mr. odsl sDoyt the al
Odd you talk with him in regard to the sd-
o-or of action by the Governor? A-No, sir.
way. affect Mi. Ryan the Equitable situation?
o.-At any time? A--No, sir.
$50 that so far as this investigation is con-
to r dd and sbo saa ah on f
o.-Yes. Al cid not know anything about it,
.Q.-7Did you in your telephone conversation witt,
change his decision in the matter then tell him that
you would throw your influence against him? a.
OIL understand there. was final telephone in
teryiew in which he said he would not change his
you say anything as to what action you would
.,Q..aYou have said all that took place at that
Off you mentioned political influence in your
at Mr. Kyans 3Ge What did you
Were you in politics? A.-No. sir.
HIS POLITICAL INFLUENCE"
ODD you have any political influence? Al
the dea hs Fe %dd pr be to 5
Al do not know that did If had been IN his
For granted that woaid every effort that had
IT, Ge t. and Wou
not be ashamed Of it if I had said it:
the sitd d yda en
refer to that? You said: IT would have been i'm
nSIPsr WHAT your q1sston was in reference
back to it. Al am perfectly willing to 60 back
and take it up if you have anything on your mind
Q.NAnd you left Mr. Ryan with the deliberate in
tenton of using whatever influence you had against
him. put put up to date you have not exercised i?
1uence against him. providing saw any indications
of improper influence in connection with the EQui-
se Ia a y9 Use, seen anything myth Of that kind? Al
Q:-And that is the reason why you have not up
to date exercised any influence against him? A-If
started in.
Q.-And nothing has? A-Not yet
ence To what did you refer, Mr. Hartman? A
referred to the influence that any man Of pronli-
qence may have who has never asked anybody to
ton in 4 the eomn .9 Ayes. sir have
Country particularly and am somewhat co 9
at times. and I believe what favored with some
0EAnd you refer to whom? A--No one spe-
Care you. consulted with regard to matters
Of legislation? A--No. sir.
suited from ms sq 10 tim Gs 2W ag you are con-
Q.-With regard to public questions? Al said
that come up in relation e the gnanasernent OF
aDy INTEREST," rs is eye1H citizen does who takes
Q-Oh! you mean in the district where you live?
o-How about matters pertaining to the State
at Iarge? Ave are interested there in the State
Owe are interested here in insurance condi-
Et any iegSaton aecng ns GP nc any com ne
h pies 81 had to DO 18th the prevention OF bills
IN attempt was made BY one faction Of the Equl-
introduced into the legislature which might enable
ways: by seeing people who were influential IN
o.-Party leaders and others? Al do not know
that you would cali them party leaders but they
were people who were influential in legislative
,o:-wel, IT has been openly CHARGED that
Ro5sa p9snSs W {gia Eoqd to has
Mr.. Hughes-That is all.
WISHES THINGS" CLEARED UP
It. The Witness-Mr: Chairman. would like. If you
his SO viii have O no posslbty of being called me
again, and If can encroach gu your time a lit
II has been charged in the papers. that there is
former-1ny former testimony, and the statement
OF Mr. Ryan as to my so,called attempt to pur-
that there was nothing at that time at the time
I was being questioned, by Mr.: Hughes, that bore
was. you'd ike to correct that testimony. We
presentafion Of the ta' Frick report and Which ME-
Hyde, as remember it, said that ne had been APP
was 0 desired to know If been
In any OF those offers SO understood it. Is that
f. as and esa
forgotten to mention it. ana So you may have the
exact language will read It, M IN Hughes be-
spoken of Mr. odeli and my having. political in
huence because of my alliance or affilaton with
the controversy. the Equitable controversy betwee
here nor was he communicated with about it. so |
he had hand in 1t whatever.
ton with members Of the legislature2 A-Not |
had the matter Watched at Albany to see What at
tempts were being made to use legislation i'm |
Q.-With reference to nnutualizing the society? A. |
troll of the company by obtaining the proxies Of the
pocyholders through the agents, they said Ike
o0And When you referred to the possession OF
POLITICAL inuen &c thr0ugh relations to you
which you interested and for which you stand?
Q-Bringing you into prominent position with |
regard to a great many subjects that come before |
terest in many matters that come before the legs-
Dwell was referring to matters affecting rail-
roads. banks; trust companies. Al have never
OF aid not understand just what you meant by |
political influence through relation 10 you. Amy
f anybody in politics can get the friendship and |
Of Ses more no or less sn
Now Governor odell might resent such a state |
o bn hnk fS that if n pes Would
try to get as many men OF prominence as possible
PREVIOUS TESTIMONY UP.
Q.-The testimony that you have referred to-
that is your testimony when you were on the stand
With any offer Mr.. Hyde for the purchase of his
We'll. then was not: ask you. don't You think
answered that question properly?