New-York tribune., 1905-11-28
MR. MC4LL ON STAND.
E@p7mins Hiding Of Payments Of
$50 900 to Hamilton.

Following Mr.. Perkins, John A Mccall once more
took the stand and promptly confronted with
the imposing list of payments to Judge
Hamilton. Mr. Mccall has already guaranteed to
make good S23500o of these If Judge fails
TO lquidate before December 15 Mr.. Mccall could
not identify the various checks shown him, but
recalled that IN the latter part of 1901 he had had
some heart to heart talks with Judge" Hamil-
ton. whose accounts for that year had already
reached amount of $4,000. Mr.. Mccall testified
that he wished to keep the cost for the year down
to 100000 Judge Hamilton replied that his out
standing obligations amounted TO 5000 all money
paid out by him for the New-York Life. Mr.. Nc
Call reiterated his former testimony that he did not
think of asking Judge Hamilton for any state
rent Of the reasons for the disbursements and
had details
an arrangement with Mr.. Mccall by which he was
to receive per cent Of his disbursements. So
Mr.. Mccall supposed the checks must relate TO this
s55.0o0. Mr. Mccall did not wish this amount to be
put into the expense for 1901, 50 be spoke A word
for him at two banks, his notes were discounted
there, ard later J. p. Morgan & Co. took up the
notes for $4,000. The obligation of the New-YorI
Life for this amount also assured to J. p
Morgan & Co. This explanation puzzled Mr..
Hughes who could not why the payment was
not made direct. Mr.. Mccall suggested that 1t was
because he did not want Judge Harnilton's ac-
count to go 100000 in any year and wanted
the Judge understand that fact.
Mr.. Mccall testified further that the Judge
able to get his loans at the Central National Bank
because he (NIcCalD had assured the bank that
Hamilton good up to $4,000. Mr.. Mccall is
a trustee of that bank Then he explained the
10000 in notes bearing the name Of his brother,
Justice E E. Mccall, who had merely acted as an
agent. The money again went to the ubiquitous
Judge who used it for "the same general pur-
pose" according to Mr.. Mccall. This was taxa
ton and legislation" Mr.. Mccall had told his
brother that the Judge was good for $4,000 and
the Judge had used this credit he did the
other. Mr.. Mccall admitted frankly that he did
not know what the money needed for, that
it needed for "a corporate purpose" In point
of fact he testified he did not know that the
Judge wanted it for his own personal use. Mr.
Mccall could not explain how it that, while
]. P Morgan e Co. took up $56.O0O there was still
100 to account for, neither did he know where
this from.
THE BLIND PAYMENTS.
The reason for paying the money through the
steel transaction and by J. P Morgan & Co. Mr.
Mccall explained desire to get rid of the
claims Of the Judge" lie testified that he talked
the affair over with Perkins, and that this means
hit upon Then Mr.. Mccall admitted, with
hesitation. that the transaction was never
debited the books of the New-York Life. Then
the witness under examination further admitted
that the Morgan payment to Hamilton had never
figured IN previous statements Of payments to the
Judge"
Mr.. Mccall sprung a little surprise by testIfSing
| that he had never given Senator Platt campaign
contribution in his life. This reduced TO an
apparent statement that IL any Nev-York Iifs
money had gone for this purpose he had not known
Of 1t. One of Judge Hamilton's payments was
for $4,000 the sum fixed by the Senator as his
usual contribution. and the date in October,
but Mr.. Mccall could not say whether this went
to the fund not.
The NyIc transaction discussed and Mr.. Nc
Call made the declaration that he did not think
that insurance company money should be used for
the benefit of agents. Mr.. Mccall then produced
two letters written by him requesting Judge
Hamilton to return. inclosing Of testimony
affecting him and requesting that II he were unable
to return he would make statement OF his ac-
counts with the New-Tork Life He said that he
had received reply.
On the subject OF the payments to John A. Mich
OILS for the 'rantankerous' w. 8. Manning Mr..
Mccall declared that for many years Nichols had
received $500 for paying another $500 to Manning
but that he had finally stopped the payment. He
had supposed Manning got one-half; Manning has
testified that he got less than one-sixth. Mr.
Mccall regarded Mr.. Manning as more or less
dangerous because his ideas and his potentiaIty
as disturber Of the gospel of tontine policies.
Mr.. Mccall never received any commission on his
had never contributed New-York Life money to
pan a or ing fngg ohsF For fhs he or to his
personal contribution. when Justice Mccall made
IN which the NeWeYork Life had contribufed s
Ths eaysn Gaa made through chec 5@aa for n @ Ss
amount due on a foreclosure Of property Later
hrs check Cornelius Bliss The The
payment was made by Justice Mccall two years
before his election, however. Just he left tho
stand, Mr.; Mccall said in reply to direct question
that he believed that the transaction in United
States Steel stock through the medium of the New
York Security and Trust Company should have
been matter OF record-a bit of frankness which
somewhat damaged the labored Qualifications OF its
omission by Mr.. Perkins. 49,
ANOTHER YEAR END DEAL.
Theodore NJ Banta- cashier Of the New-York
Life testified 20 two rather notable facts First
he volunteered the information that several wears
ago. tust al the end Of the year. s7o0G0o In New
York City stock taken from the vaults Of the
New-York Life by the treasurer. Edmund D Ran
dnlnh. and that chAcS slhsf fitlataa