The Saint Paul globe. (St. Paul, Minn.) 1896-1905, 1905-03-23
SAYS REVENGE WAS.
MOTIVE OF MURDER
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neip some In Strengthening this thing
out.
But am as innocent. WHY. if 7
committed that crime or those crimes
would want God to strike me dead
right this minute. / was ALWAYS
brought up to know the difference be-
tween right and wrong. / was taught
to pray when L was little, and 1 pray
| every night for my folks ALWAYS
have.
My mother is sick down in waverlv
and is liable to die any minute. She
taught me to pray and she is a good
woman clear through. She couldn't
mother son that would commit such
| murders as those were.
| They say that / have been arrested
here in St Paul for beating my wife.
never have been in Jail in my life un-
| III this time i have wandered around
a good deal, because 1 wanted to see
the country. but you can look any
place L have ever been and you'll find
that my record is good and clean.
Tell you about my life? Why. GER
talnly. l am 80 years old and 1 was
/ born In Ottawa, Kan, Aug %. 1875 I
went 10 school there for awhile, but
1 didn't like school very we'll and /
| quit and learned the tinsmith's trade
in the shop owned by A. p. AlIer. NV
father was in the furniture business
had furniture factory. with a man
named OFT for partner.
Wandered About Country
When was about 81 1 went away
and went first to Kansas City l lived
all over that town, working most of the
while at my trade, timing, repairing
gasoline stoves some and fishing some
In the Missouri and Kaw rivers. /
stayed in Kansas City about two years
and then / went to Omaha. 1 did the
same there as 1 had done in Kansas
CITY and / got married there. Then
ABOUT four years ago 1 came to st.
Paul. That's ALL"
How did l. happen to come to st.
Paui? Oh, I don't know; just wanted
| 10 see the country, guess. don't care
to discuss my troubles with my wife.
All of that win come out in good time.
we separated about year and a half
ago."
The police think a pretty strong
piece of evidence against you was the
hnding or the change in your room,'
was suggested by the reporter.
Iney think that's pretty strong evil
! dence do they? Well, can show them
that I had that money and hundred
dollars more and that got it all hon
estlyo have had that cup they found
| the money in full of dimes and quar-
ters many time and / always kept 1t
| under the dresser where they found 1t.
When they found it you could see
! the marks in the dust on the floor un-
der the dresser where / had pulled Ii
out and put it back hundred times. L
never swert under it. but the marks
aren't there now. When 1 sold fish or
repaired stoves generally got paid in
small change and many a time / have
| got out to the stores in the neighbor-
hood and got IS and $40 bills for the
| change"
But Aydt, the man you lived with,
says that you told him couple of days
before the murder that you were hard
up" was suggested.
Had Business Plans
well, 1 was figuring on buying a
Seine and going into business on a big
| ger scale If had bought the seine it
would have taken all the money had"
You say Hartmann acted strangely
the afternoon of the murder. Tell me
| about it."
When I say he acted strangely 1
| don't know as he did so any more than
usual He always acted strangely. He
| came up to the house about 2 o'clock
| in the afternoon and the first thing he
| did was to tell me that Schindeldecker
had been murdered and to ask me If 1
| had heard about it. told him that I
had not He stayed until about 4
| o'clock and then he went away and
came back little while before s.
AS soon as he got back he COM
menced asking me to go out and buy
a paper with the account of the muir
| der in. / was cooking supper and told
him TO wait until We had had supper.
He spoke about it several times. When
| supper was over / put the key on the
outside OF the door, before going out,
| Hartmann said: You amt going to
lock up, are you? I'm going to stay
here till you get back / said that he
had better come along, but he insisted
on staying in the room and so finally
| went alone. 1 brought the paper back
| and he read the account of the murder
| aloud to me.
Mrs. Nelson is mistaken when she
| says in testifying that she saw Hart
mann come in with me that noon. /
was alone. That yard is used for a
path by neighbors cutting across the
block and there may have been some
! one back of me. 1 didn't take any par
| ticular notice of that. But the first /
saw of Hartmann all day was about 2
o'clock.
Left Him at Lake
THE last time 1 saw him was at
| Pickerel lake. The Sunday after the
murder 1 went fishing there and
Wednesday Hartmann and went there
| together. i came back early, leaving
| about o'clock. That's the last know
| of Hartmann.
Il never owned any flatirons, such
as they say that they found on Hart
| mann's feet. / never fished with a net
that needed weights like them and /
was not down to the dam early on the
Tuesday following the Schindeldecker
murder. / went there fishing in the
i morning, but way after o'clock A
| friend of mine went with me. The
man that says he saw me there at 6
O'Clock Tuesday morning is mistaken.
DO you think / have acted like a
| guilty man at any time since this affair
| started? / was out in the yard at
! home chopping wood when the detec-
| tives came and got me. / didn't try TO
escape or get out of the way of them
at all. i hadn't packed up my clothes
| to run away. / had been downtown
and around the streets every day. /
| amt guilty. That's ALL l would like
to tell you everything that / know
about Hartmann and about myself but
/ can't now. Maybe / can later. 1t
| will come out in the trial, anyway. /
know they can't convict me of murders
/ didn't commit
The light of his cigar had died out
and he calmly struck a match upon the
sole of his shoe and relighted it, as he
ended the conversation with a so
long,"
He's the strangest fellow 1 ever
saw" said the turnkey, as he showed
the reporter out He doesn't worry
over anything. Just takes everything
as matter of course Eats all he can
get to eat and reads and sleeps like a