The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1905-03-26

be justified at any time when the boat
was rounding the end of the wharf, to
have ordered the boat back to the
steamer?
Witness and Dickey both failed to
understand, when Pinkham said he
meant to ask if it would not have en-
dangered human life to turn back the
boat.
Witness-Yes. it would have been
dangerous. Mr.. Dowsett showed au-
thority on the steamer. He tried to
stop us from going ashore.
G. What did you understand by the
words on your permit. ito the corral
only?"
A That we should not go anywhere
else.
Q. Didn't you understand that you
were not permitted to come in contact? :?
A Yes. 1 did touch my brother
put my arm around him. Yes, I saw
you looking when 1 had my arm around
him. / don't know whether L kissed
him when you We're looking or not. 1
didn't care who was looking. [ had
so little time-only five minutes one
time and about sixteen minutes again.
PAULOKI HEARD.
Pauloii Ito Achi)-Had a permit to
go to the corral. When I landed an
officer took my permit and told me to
go up to the superintendent's house.
Nobody changed my permit. On the
way to McVeighs met 1epers on both
sides of the road. l greeted them and
they greeted me- Had something to
eat Was half an hour at the table.
When L came out met my brother out
side shook hands with him. 1 kissed
him. Embraced him only while kiss
ing him. He asked me to go to his
house I did. Met his wife and chill
dren-four boys and one girl. Wife
did not seem to be Il leper. She and
children seemed to be well. 1 entered
their house. Stayed half an hour more
or less After that, with others, min
gled with lepers. At the house kissed
one of the children, also the mother.
On arriving at landing nobody told me
to go to the corral. Did not recognize
Pinkham in crowd at landing; he may
have been there.
To Pinkham-Nobody told me not to
touch the lepers. Noticed several men
there with white ribbons and some
red on the white. Officer guarding the
gangway told me I might go ashore.
1t was Luahiwa. Saw no one giving
instructions to Luahiwa. All he said
was, "AH who are strong and able
bodied enough to go through the waves
may CO." There were times when the
waves were high and times when the
waves We're low. Cannot answer very
we'll about turning back. as L had no
idea of turning back. Have no idea
of whether it would have been danger
Gus or not to turn the boat
II. E. MURRAY'S TESTIMONY.
H. E. Murray tto Dickey) - Don't
know whether my pass was from SEN
ator Kalama or Senator .Dowsett. Have
no relatives or friends at Settlement,
only wanted to see the place. Forgot
my pass aboard, but on saying L had
one was allowed to go to Mr.. Nc
Weighs Heard no instructions of Of
ficers at landing; was merely told to
go up to superintendent. After eat
ing at the 1uau went to the Bishops
home and strolIed around a little. Did
not go far away.
To Pinkham-On the steamer L know
that Capt Clarke refused to take any
body ashore except on their own re-
sponsibility. Think everybody who
went ashore did so on his own respon-
sibility. Besides the captain, 1 think
Senator Dowsett told the people the
same thing. Think Rep. Fernandez
assumed responsibility or charge along
with Senator Dowsett. I know that
some lepers-remember one distinctly
refused to shake hands with people
from Honolulu. Did not see members
of Legislature shaking hands with
lepers. Believe all the feeling of re-
sponsibility on the captains part re-
ferred TO the state of the water Would |
not care to say whether there would |
have been danger in putting the boat !
back Majority of people on board |
wanted to get ashore. Did not see per- |
sons taking off their coats and threat |
ening to jump overheard to swim !
ashore.
To Achi-Mailed my pass TO Supt. |
McVeigh after returning to Honolulu. |
as I promised. Was offered another |
pass by you (Senator AchD, which was
made out in your sons name. You |
knew I had pass aboard.
FERNANDEZ TESTIFIES.
Representative Fernandez (to Dickey, |
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