New-York tribune., 1905-12-13
HARTMAN WANTED HALF.
Objected to Ryan's Buying Equ3-
table. Latter Says.

obeying District Attorney Jerone's decision
that he must answer AIr. Hughess questions
Thomas F. Ryan yesterday appeared before the
insurance investigating committee He testified
with great explicitness that z. H Hartman had
demanded one-half the Hyde stock This de-
mand, he explained. was accompanied by a
statement that if such division were not made
all Mr.. Harriman's political influence in legisls-
tive matters would be used against him. Ae-'
cordinS to Mr.. Ryan, there no specific threat
of a legislative investigation, no mention Of
definite legislation, such as James Hazen Hyde
named in the Amber bill; It was merely gen
eraI threat without any revelation Of what
Mr.. Harrimans political influence was OF how
it was to be used. Apparently Mr.. Ryan con-
tempated it without apprehension for he de-
cIined to be coerced.
Mr.. Hartman. according TO Mr.. Ryan not
merely asked for half the Hyde stock but BIT
terly opposed the trustee plan. finally proposing
as a compromise that he should name two more
trustees This and all other requests TO have
share in the transaction were denied The
threat concerning Legislative action was made
in the presence Of Mr. Ryan's attorneys, Elihu
Root and Paul y. Cravath.
It is Inevitable now that Mr.. Hartman viii
testify again He may request the committee 70
hear him to-day; he may wait for the COM
n1ittee to ask him tomorrow or next dag. but it
just what his political influence suggssticps
bmeant Il his account of ting f<tervieE with Nr-
Ryan fails to agree with Mr., vSyans then aft
Root and Mr.. Cravath may take the stand.
Former Governor Odell's name was not men
toned in Ryan's testimony
Mr.. Ryans story of the Hartman threat" re-
called the testimony of James Hazen Hyde re-
garding the advice he said that Mr.. Hartman
gave him. to have the Mercantile Trust CcTnpau:-
for
to avoid "retaatory legislation under the in
fuence of that powerful gentleman" The yer
batin testimony in the two cases is wonderfulIy
alike In his examination of Mr.. Hyde regard
ing Mr.. Harriman's advice Mr.. Hughes asked
Mr. Hyde:
9pid Nj Mr Hartman "a % say angtfiPg 4 a6out aI the
oEBy legislator A--Tes. sir. and it was ru-
mored in the newspape
In connection with the threat accompany
ing the Hartman demand for half the HYDE
stock Mr. Ryan was yesterday asked by 8Ir
Hughes:
Q.-Did he say his political influence would be
d ID R Pros Bse to t aoons or action
said that the legislature would probably take ac-
Both former Governor oden and Mr.. Hartman
denied the Hyde story emphaticaIly when on the
stand.
Atr- Ryan's testimony follows;
o-Mr. Ryan at the hearing on Friday you tes
titled that E. H. Hartman desired TO share the
you refused. The question was then asked: WhsS VIA
did Mt aariHan bat say question s II row repest
Mr.. Chairman. ] trust the committee will under
when was on the stand before. I did not wish the
committee to understand meant any disr1espect;
the question until was satisfied that was obliged
The Chairman think we understand that Dir.
The witness-The District Attorney has deter
mined I shall answer the question. and shall give
nT The PES ChairmaT@Yes: that is ali desire
The Witness-The question. Mr.. Hughes. please
MR.. HARRIMAN's OBJECTIONS.
Q--The question put to YOU before was. What
dd @ MI; aTTinn aId say sWnr5g 20 1T l that Wi be
very glad If you win state fully what was said end
Equitable stock Mr.. Hartman called upon me and
tons during the few days tciiowing the purchase.
One of these conversations was in the presence o.
conTersations were over the teophon5.
that as he had devoted large amount OF. Of TINE
and work to the Equitable situation should not
isl'o IS. ' had bought Mr. Hyde's stock and as
bought Mr. Hyde's stock ne demanded shouts
share-let him share-in the purchase and have an
This declined He also objected 70 the trustees;
said il would allow him 70 share in the purchase
and in the management snd YOU'D al allow nm Iz -
O'Brien and AIr Westinghouse. that he wonld
assent 70 my plans. Fio also said that he 0tS TOT
think could carry out my plans without his aid
said that nad determined in the interests OF n
poIicvholder of tue Equitable and In the pubtc
good TO divest myself of all control of the Equ
fable. that while desired much the
operation of Mr. Hartman and an other large
fnanciai interests. the task doubtless would 5e
hard one and I regretted very much 70 have he
opposjtion but that I could not give my inter~
ZION To trustee that stock. IS ] had made up
mind to do as soon IS / purchased IT, and ths-
whether had his opposition OF not T3S gong -
try 10 carry out that plan.
SAW HARTMAN SAME DAy.
c-1-l,e purchase was effecred by you on Frfda..
T,era a. IL don't remember me date, bat y
completed late on Friday
O@Frday appears to have peen juno 2. \
There was an agreement reached on Friday night
or early Friday morning. but 80 papers sigCe6
Oft was Friday afternoon that Mr.. &o-totf
uaS elected chairman of the hoard Ait
c-When did you hear froal sIr. Hartman
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