The evening world., 1905-12-12

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Q, Might be for or against youi A.
Yes.
O. Did he explain how his influence
would be importantS A. No. he did
not.
Q. Did YOU say anything to him in re-
gard 10 that2 A. No; I didn't pay any
attention to that.
O. You didn't ask him why It would
be Important? A. No.
O. Did he tell you in substance that
n you did not grant ais wish 10 the
matter thore would probably be legls-
latiye actlon' A. No, he did not say
q. Didn't ne tell vou that II you aid
not meet hts wishes .r permit him to
hucal influence would be iarewn against
your A., Not In that. Hay.
J q. Or In suhstance7 A. i understood
that his entire influence, whether politi-
cal, financial or otherwise. would be
against me-
Q. And that included whatever influ-
ence he was able 20 exert, directly or
Indirectly. 10 bring about legislative ac-
Mong A. ] wouldn't say that Mr..
Q. But he told YOU that his influence
was important and would have import
ance In case there was Legislative ac-
tlonG a. lec.
Took Chance In Refusing.
.. And you understood fully that IN
/ cruising TO meet his wishes you were
/ aking the chance OF whatever oppo-
sltlon he could bring to bear upon your
A. In any direction,
O., And you told him that you In
ended that tho management OF the
Equitable should be entirely independ-
entY A., l did Independent Of me and
1 verybody else.
,Q. Why, were you not willing TO have
AR. Hartman name two trustees TO 10
IN with Mr. Cleveland, Judge o'Bnen
bned bbnd hr' Weetinghouse they. would have
peen a minority2 A, That is true, Mr..
Hughes, but / was determined TO carry
o1t tne plans that had formed.
y. NOw, is there anything that you
recall that you have not said that Mr.
M. hoot and Mr. Cravath7 A. don't
Hartman told you In the presence OF
reeau. We had several Interviews.
Threats All Alike.
Q. The whole matter was gone over
Then? A. The pIrport OF ali the inter-
views was about th3 SAME as the in
terview we cad with III cravath and
AIR. Root.
9. And subsequently, you had other
Interview when Mr.. Hartman and YOU
Gg,re aloneg A. think the next two
interviews were over the telephone.
| \ y. Did you have any other interview
after the interview when Mr.. Root and
Mr.. Cravath were present, at his Office
or az your Officer A. thdnk not.
q. But what were these interviews
over the Telephone? A II was on the
same lines.
Q. TO find out whether you changed
your mind? A. Yes; finally over the
telephone l tod him there was no use
OF talldng about the matter any more,
that that ! Nv. would "a not % change my mind and
Y, 1 asked you on Friday this furth-
err question; 20 md Mr. a5arrlman
say that there would be any result
injurious TO your interests IN case you
refused 70 permit MIN 10 share in the
A. MIR. Hartman said his entire in
huence would be thrown against me.
q. Including his political and
financial infuencef He mentioned
the word poiiticaIf A. Yes, at one
G. Al this interview when Mr.. Root
and Mr.. Cravath were present and IN
connection with your refusal 10 sell the
Q. I win ask you tine further question
put 70 you on Entday: q. Now, ala
he say that any action on the part of
the Legislature OF any Official OF officer
OF the government would be taken In
case YOU refused to accede TO his re-
quest?" A He did not
Yielded as 10 Trustees.
Mr.. Hughes: also asked you this
question:: Q. Did ne. Mr.. Hartman,
say whether or not he was willing to
put u, referring to the stock, In trust ?
A. III hnally proposed II would aecede
TO his wishes In allowing him TO become
an owner OF the stock and name two
trustees that he would agree 1t should
go in trust.
Q. Did Mr.. Hartman tell you IN SUBJ
stance that he did not propose 10 have
anybody own control OF the Equitable
stock without his having an interest In
it7
A. Well, I should not like TO any
that, Mr.. Hughes. The cOnversa- :
tions between Mr.. Hartman and
were rather strenuous some-
q. Well, mean whether that was
the substance OF his remarks? A. !
4 don't think he wanted anybody TO come
into the Equitable situation n he could
help II.
q. You have stated, Mr.. Ryan, ali
that took place between you and Mr.
Hartman with reference 90 the Bquit.
able stock end HIS desire 20 acquire q
recollection, yes sir
Hartman Not Specific.
Q. l understand you completed tn,
purchase on June 9, and the trust dee
was executed about June l5 and these
interviews took place during the inter
vening period? A. Yes.
Q. And think you said the other dag
that nobody else had at anytime triec
to obtain the stock2 A. Nobody else.
; @. In referring TO the probability oi
legislative action, dld Mr. Hartman
say anything TO Indicate the nature oi
the action 10 which hs referred7 A
lie did not,
Q Has anybody else had any tail
with you with regard 10 the Jctior
either OF the Legislature or the Gov
ernmant, or with reference 10 the IN.
. yestlgatlon7 4. No. sir
: Mr. Hughes. That e all, Mr. Ryan.
The Chair1nan--Mr. Ryan, i presuml
Il will be unnecessary 10 assure 70,
1 that we are gratlfied that you hav,
come here under these somewhat EN-
blrra sslng circumstances. We, o
course appreciate man who Is willinl
4 10 reveal his own acts and conversa
s tions, may object and hesitate and OBJ
Z? ject 10 reveal conversations with an
4 other We want you TO understan,
when you leave Il, we are very mucl
+ pleased indeed that YOU returned 10 tn
$ witness stand voluntarily and made tn
statement frankly.
I The Witnss-I appreciate It. l thanl
I you.
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