Los Angeles herald., 1905-09-19

witness In the fall of 1900 and mad LEFT
between two suns" in January, 1904.
Witness stated that the man was In
San Quentin prison.
The witness identified Frank Otis as
the man who. he said, had threatened
him. Otis standing up in the court room
and in response to questions, Grange
stated:
Says Otis Threatened Him
"Otis threatened me, and 1 so stated
to him at a meeting of the committee
on building and loan societies. He made
no response or denial"
'Is it not true" asked Mr.. Johnson
that this threat of which you spoke
consisted of a statement made at con-
ference between representatives of the
various building and loan societies at
which certain amendments were agreed
to by all except yourself and at which
Mr.. Otis said: If hear of you or any
of your folks putting UP any money l
will send you all where you belong o.
ut is possible" replied the witness.
He may have made this threat. He
made many of them"
You did put up the money!" was
asked.
Yes" was replied, "to entrap the
senators. And 1 am glad of it,
YOU did beat the bill?" persisted
Mr.. Johnson. and he repeated the
query three times before the witness
answered:
I'VE did not have to-"
Witness stated that he had spoken
with people about the proposed inves-
tigation prior to the conversation with
Jordan; that the latter had said he
represented Bunkers and French He
affirmed that he knew none of the
four legislators indicted.
When Attorney johnson had finished
with his cross-examination District
Attorney Seymour asked for an ac-
count Of the conversation with Nc
Nab. Mr.. Johnson made instant OBJ
lection, saying that he had never made
the issue that Grange was a feigned
accompliee. The argument that en-
sued lasted nearly an hour, and in the
course of an address to the court Mr..
johnson said:
1T leaves this defendant defense
less In the hands of his enemies, in
the hands of men who have violated
the law, then willing to swear they
did not violate the law because they
had told each other they had not. 1t
leaves us in trackless waste without
lantern to guide us on our way. He
is left at the mercy Of men who are
willing to bribe people and then come
into court and commit perjury to es-
cape the consequences of their act"
Dealings With McNab
The objection having been overruled
Grange testified that he had tele-
phoned to McNab and gone to see him
on the 21st. Witness stated that he
told McNab everything he had learned
in the interviews with Jordan; that
Jordan had approached him as go
between, representing certain senators
of the committee; that he had demand
ed $500 for each senator in order to
secure immunity from subpoena, inves-
tigation or adverse report. Witness
stated that McNab replied that they
should get their money for the pur-
pose of entrapping them.
II asked Mr. McNab to get the
services of George Tichenor to deliver
the money" continued Mr.. Grange
"McNab said he was just the man and
promised to take care of all the details.
He said if everything was left to him
we would catch those fellows. I saw
McNab in his office on the morning
of the 23d and again in the rotunda
OF the Mills building on that and the
succeeding day. ! was called to the
telephone by McNab on the 23d and in
structed to go to the Mills building
and deliver the money. Later he told
me to deliver the additional money
to the man designated by McNab
there, and when McNab nodded 1
walked UP to him and delivered the
money"
The case will go on again at 16
o'clock tomorrow morning.