The news & observer. [volume] (Raleigh, N.C.) 1894-current, 1905-06-15

| hold of them. yes
Judge Winston: 1.-THE lawyers are
/ as mean as the preachers. then.
Mr. Gattis: They found out lot
/ said and more that / didn't say
ss to the Duke Loan.
/ A few years before Mr. Duke had
/ loaned witness $1.500 without security
Their relation were pleasant The
money had been repaid before the in
vestigation He did not remember
I Mr.. Duke having been in his store.
Mr. Duke had traded with him
{ through an agent.
Witness stated that he had young
or son at Trinity under DR.. kilgo. he
got free tuition The younger one
was there less than a year
He published a protest on the -otn
of September. 1898 Asked If he ala
not state that DR.. Kilgo would not
hesitate TO ruin by SANDER any man
1 i'm Methodism or i'm the world IN or
I der TO carry his point. he said yes anu
/ that was his opinion then ana now
/ This card had been published IN the
News and Observer and other papers
copied u.
| Could Not Remember Offer OF Peace
Asked as to being present When Dr-
Kilgo arose i'm conference at Elizabeth
/ City and offered to give him the right
hand of fellowship he stated that ne
did not remember 1T. He stated that
| he constantly refrained from Deihs
/ present when DIR. Kilgo spoke.
He was put on his guard ana asked
/ whether or not he was within ten teet
of DR.. Kilgo when he made the al
/ legged statement.
He had only responded once TO the
/ call of his name i'm conference. Sew
| eral times his name had been called
| I'm his absence.
Trouble With Insurance Company.
Judge Winston produced a paper
and witness identified his handwriting
As to his health witness stated that
/ he had been i'm fair health up 10
sprirfg of 1900. and being asked
whether he had not stated that ne
was in good msurable condition IN
/ January, 1900 he said yes, but eX-
planned that he had received letter
stating that a policy put up by him
as collateral had laDsed and asking
! him 10 sign a certificate. he dld SO.
Later he was sick in Charlotte. When
he got up he was served with sum-
mons He had gone TO Durham and
seen Mr. Manor and Mr.. Strong and
had a conversation. Mr.. Strong had
asked him whether he was not NOR
phine eater. He told him no. Later
/ the agent had offered him So for the
policy AS he was not able 10 pay
the premium. he consented and the
/ case in court was withdrawn. MIR.
j. s Carr held the policy. He paid
the premiums, but refused TO accept
the S72 for the witness.
Witness was then asked as TO when
he went out of the retail business in
books and stated that was in 1891;
that he then went in a smaller room
in the rear of the store.
Witness examined a bill for books
to DR.. Kilgo. purchased December II,
1897. which he first stated 10 be in his
sons hand writing. Afterwards he
stated that he did not think it was
his sons handwriting.
Circuit Riding Suit Bringing.
After retiring from business he got
a charge on Granville Circuit. Was
given the charge he asked for by the
Bishop He was first given the War
rem circuit He asked that he be
given Granville. because il was
smaller work and better pay. Asked
as TO whether the Bishop and the
elders had turned their backs on him.
he stated that the way he was ap-
pointed was that his name was pass
/ ed by the elders. but that finally
DR. Gibbs said he had an appoint
ment which he would give him. but
/ which was nothing like the charge he
ought TO have.
He went on circuit and brought
| suit within ten days.
I'm nari passu?" said Judge VIM
ston with a laugh.
on redirect examination he said
/ that he brought his suit because he
/ thought six months would be out and
/ he wouldn't have an opportunity TO
bring it. He was so advised by an
officer.
AS to question on cross-examination
as TO the attitude Of the church. he
stated that he had tried TO have the
matter investigated by the conference
and had failed. He did not think he
could get justice in the conference.
because he thought that a majority
were determined TO sustain DR.. kilgo
regardless of what became of I. j.
Gattis.
AS to calling DIR. Kilgo a ward
politician. witness said he had heard
he had a reputation as wire puller.
At that time he didn't know what the
word ward meant
II have found out since" said Mr..
Gattis with a significant smile.
His Publication Was Defensive
Plaintiff was asked as To the con-
versation with Dr. Peacock after the
Laurens trip. He knew nothing of DR..
Kilgo until he went again To South
Carolina conference and the different
character of the converse tons was
based on what he had heard later.
His reply i'm the News and Observer
was written after the publication of
DR.. Kilgo's speech and after he knew
the pamphlet was being printed
There was objection by the defense TO
the Introduction of the letter includ-
ing the extract asked witness by the
defense. Judge Moore oyerruled the
objection, but stated that he would
require the original files of the paper
TO be introduced.
Instantly there arose a heated con-
troversy, barking back 10 Mondays
wrangle, and participated in by Gov
ernor Aycock, Mr.. Watson and Judge
Winston
Paid Eight Per Cent.
Mr.. Gattis then testified that the
Duke note was paid with s per cent
interests; that the insurance policy
referred to on cross examination was
pledged to Mr. Carr in January. 1895.
He had never taken morphine except