The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1905-11-22

Der when he began 10 receive conLf4Dn-
tiOns from insurance companies, but
thought il might be fifteen years ago
or more. He expressed the opinion that
life insurance companies were justified
i'm making campaign contributions While
the gold issue was at stake. He did
not care 10 pass upon the justification
Of the companies in giving money for
state campaign purposes.
What the Money Was For.
What advantage could they get by
so contributing >" asked Mr.. Hughes
They got il through me as being
connected with the state committee
They would suppose l would be likely
10 defend them at times when it was
necessary. ] never had occasion 10 do
it,"
Have they ever requested your sup
port on anx natter"
They never have"
II understand you 10 say they would
expect you would support or defend
them. Now, what class of possibilities
had YOU in mind in saying that? To
see that the legislature did not enact
legislation which they thought hostile
10 nolicy-hOlders?
THAT is about what it would amount
to-
How could you control the situa-
tion?"
Il could not control it,"
How could you in any way influence
it?"l
II might have some influence"
Through the disposition of the
money in the election of legislators"
"Oh, could not say that"
Under an Obligation.
isn't that the way it really comes
about. senator, that the use of these
contributions in the election Of candi-
dates TO Office puts the candidates more
on less under a moral obligation not TO
attack the interest supporting them?"
That is what naturally would be in
volved."
isn't that really what is involved?"
II should think So"
When Senator Platt had finished his
testimony DIR. Comans was recalled ana
completed his testimony, which was
relatively unimDortant
Gage &. 'Tarbell, second vice presi-
dent of the Equitable, was on the stand
when recess was taken.
TarbeIls Explanation.
Mr.. Tarbell said the only way he
engaged Mr.. Coman's service was 10
make an appointment for him at the
tax commissioners office. Mr.. TarbelPs
attempt to enlist the Mutual and New
York Life in fighting inimical legisla-
ton by organizing the policy holders,
which he explained in part on Fri
day. was referred TO, and he explained
further about 1t. The matter of large
expense under the present method, Mr..
Tarbell said. was largely the reason
| for this attempt to change the meth
DDS. His connection with the agency
IL RITZ Of he m
into. and he explained the system of
| fixing the commissions on the various
| classes of policies.
Table Submitted.
Mr.. Tarbell submitted a table with
| the various commissions paid and the
| premiums on the various terms and
| classes Of policies. Witness said he
! was elected second vice president Of
| the Equitable in 1899. He was asked
to give a history of agents commits
! sions in general and what reforms he
/ sought to introduce, If any. He de-
/ tailed the increase of commissions with
! the increase of competition, and said
| that when he was given charge of the
! agency system of the United States
! he abolished the bonuses to agents
and reduced the commission for the
| first years premiums from so to 80
! Fer cent This. be thought. was the
severest blow ever dealt at the evil
| of Relating.
Legislator on the Stand.
! Mr.. TarbeQ was excused temporarily
| and Assemblyman James X. Apgar Of
/ Westchester was called. lie said he
| knew Thomas d. Hustled. who signed
I a voucher OH Oct. IL 1897. for $1,000,
/ for professional services TO the Equi-
I table society. Attached TO this vouch-
er was Mr.. Apgars card, on the back
I Of which was written:
Mr. Hyde says pay him 1000
] through f. d. Husted.--J. W. 4"
Mr.. Apgar said he knew nothing Of
the transaction, but said that was his
card lie visited j. w. Alexander in
1897, but what the call was for ne did
not remember. but he thought it was
10 intercede for a friend. He was not
/ a member OF the assembly at That
time. though candidate. lie was de-
feated. James W. Hustled, ir., broth
er of Thomas Hustled, was Nh. APP
gar's predecessor in the assembly.
Was Private Secretary.
J During the session Of 1895 and 1895
/ Mr.. Apgar was private secretary 10
Lieutenant Governor SaXton. In 1887
he was in washington. de said ne
had had no conversation about moneys
/ with anyone. He did not know how
his card became attached to the vouch-
CT. II was not i'm his handwriting
but the initials on the card were sub
sequently identified as those of James
| w. Alexander and written by him.
The voucher was signed by T. D.
! Hustled and the check was also en-
dorsed by Hustled Mr.. Apgar said he
did not know what became of the
money. He received none OF it, and
never heard of the Equitable paying
anything toward his campaign ex-
penses. IT was known that on Oct
IS. 1895, Thomas D. Hustled received
a check for $1,000, and another on Oct
Is. 1896. On both of these dates James
! w. Hustled, jr., was a member Of the
! assembly. Mr.. Hustled had never told
him that he had ever received such
| moneys.
Knew Fields Well.
Mr.. Apgar said he knew 4. c. Fields
and had known him for many years
when he ran for Office IN West