Waterbury evening Democrat., 1905-12-13
A LEGISLATION CLUB
T. F. Ryan, as Witness, Re- vealed Threats of Hartman.
WANTED A SHARE OF HIDES STOCK
Purchaser of Equitable Control Gives Sensational Evidence at Insurance Investigation-Root May Con-
 firm Testimony.

z NEW YORK, Dec 13.-In view of the sensational testimony given by Thomas F. Ryan, in which he stated 1atly that Edward H. Hartman had threatened to use all his political and financial in fiuence against him should the control of the Equitable be taken over without his participation, 1t was generally ex- pected that Mir. Hartman would be called to the stand before the legisla- tive Investigating committee to give his side of the affair. Upon inquiry, how ever, it has developed that no such move is contemplated by the members of the committee.
 The situation which has developed is most peculiar. The committee, it is understood, will make no attempt to call MT. Hartman. The latter, it is believed, will not be content to rest under the imputations cast upon him by MT. Ryan's testimony and will de- mand that he be heard.
 As the matter now rests the commit tee is entirely satisfied, and if Mir. liar riman is content to allow things to stand as they are the committee will have no objection to offer. Officially, however, nothing has been said on the question, all members of the committee refusing to discuss the situation.
 Mir. Ryan's testimony was even more sensational than had been expected. He declared that Mir. Hartman had demanded of him that he be given half the control of the stock, that he be al- lowed to appoint two trustees in addi- tion to these already arranged for and that in the event of Mir Ryan's refusal he would throw all his financial and po- litical influence against him.
 During five interviews between MT. Hartman and MT. Ryan, in two of which Elihu Root and Paul D. Cravath participated, these declarations were renewed and reiterated, the latter as- serted. Mir. Ryan said that while Mir. Hartman had not stated definitely that there would be legislative action he had stated that there might be and that his political influence might be very valua- ble to Mir Ryan.
 The most important and sensational answers by MT. Ryan were as follows:
 Q. Now, you said that Mr. Hartman told you that you would not be able to carry out your plan against his opposi- ton. What opposition did he say he would give? A. He said his full influ- ence would be against me.
 Q. Didn't he say that his political in- fuence would be against you? A. Yes.
 Q. Did he refer to the legislature? ? A. He referred to probable legislative actions or action, or said that the legis- lature would probably take action.
 Q. Did he tell you that if you acceded to his request his influence would be thrown in your, favor? A. Well, that was plain to lHes it would be.
 Q. Did he refer to the political infiu- ence that he would assert at the inter- view at which Mir. Root and Mir. Cra- vath were present? A. My recollec- ton is that he did LIRE
 United States Senator John F. Dry den, head of the Prudential Life Insur- ance company of Newark, x. J., one of the three giants in the business of child insurance, was on the witness stand all day yesterday, except for the brief time that Thomas F. Ryan was under exam. ination.
 Senator Dryden admitted that he and all the other officers of the company got rebates on the insurance on their own lives: also that the company made sev- eral payments to Andy Hamilton, legis. lative agent of the New York Life.
 He testified also that he paid out of the policy holders money the following sums to the Republican national com mittee: In 1896 the sum of S6.OOO, in 1900 the sum of $1O,O00 and in 1904 also $10,000, or S26,O00 in all.