New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1905-09-30

assistant,
anybody else who represen{Ied o,d dRe lge
were other States which we looked a5ter ~, +bo
o1How ala a gO you look after those' ABy the
DO you mean counsel local in the particular
oewbat states were those that you looked after
directly? A3e STATE OF and California in the
last two years. Prior to that forget which COM
PoEyAnd who were your counsel in Massachu-
sets? A.-W. ]. Holden represented US IN Massa-
o.@And where is her Al don't know where he
Is o.~Where Is his Officer Ale was in Massa-
chusetts, in Boston ..,.,- ,..,,ro,,o, cam
pany yi that ne you i know OF ANYes sir.
REPRESENTED THREE COMPANIES,
for time tn the Iutua and for time also the
oEWeii. DO you mean that he he does not any
Logger 5 5sPf hes sfi ' represent you RNO
Q.-Who represents you now there? Ave have
nc oHeW long is It since he ceased to represent
you? Al think this Is the second year. -
Q.-In California who represents you! A'-'uose
os@Where does he practice7 A-san Francisco.
companies but in representing IN that MAY Gas
$50, # any one of these three companies en-
ploys legislative representatives in any State. why
they as matter of course, divide the expense
with the other two? A.-Yes. ,oo,, - WON.
or in operation? A-That I don't know.
O--SOme years. A
Howeil
Q.-And under the same sort of an arrangement
representing the three. with the expense OF 1t d-
o.IYon have vouchers showing the amounts Of
money that have been paid TO these local repre-
oNAre those paid from the home office or from
the agency offices in the States? A-From the
Q.NAnd they pass under your supervision? A
Q-Do you. may say. audit these amrunts that
paid to these various legislative representatives
after the amount has been authorized by the pFesl
QEWho is it that determines whether the work
is worth the money-whether the money ought 10 be
paid? Al report to that to the president or
0GThen you have to be acquainted with the work
Q.-How do you compute that? A.-The report of
the men and the knowledge Of what is required.
written report? Ave have some letters. 1 think,
that ho s Eve0uf not formal regular written report
Q-And do I understand you talk It over with
these gentlemen and then state TO the officers of
the company about what ought TO be paid and then
cases the amount is a salary agreed upon, and in
the other it is the amount Of the bill that is pre-
Q-In what two cases is there a salary7 A
MASSACHUSETTS, and Georgia.
Q.-What is the salary in Massachusetts,? A
Q-And in Georgia? A-F1fteen hundred dollars.
the salary? A.-None.
BILLS FOR SERVICE"
Q.-The other case where the amount is agreed
upon is where? A.There is no other case Where
me amount IS agreed upon mat recollect The bill
services rendered
DIN what case is that? A.-That is in Cali
Q.AAccording to the service that has been rem
GIN the cases whero Mr. Short and Mr.. Thunl-
mel were interested did you similarly become con-
as to the payments that ought to be made? A
usually the president controller
Q--Directly? Ayes.
GIN your presence? Al think they have, not
with Mr.. Short. 1 think Mr. Thummel has on one
$50 that the amount that was to be paid was
talked over in your hearing? A-Yes P'o 80
paid to tS or Mn rTnmme IN the has last wo
approximately? Al don't that I can, Mr.
.Q-I do not mean to have it exactly. We can get
it later with eXactitude. but for our present pur-
II varied according 10 the years as to the amount
Q;-Within what limit? A-Within the five years
Q.1II say within what limit of amount? Al
maybe 81 GEO one year up to even more than tbat
$500 % or S. 500 600 ar another 9th year:
or SS22O? a. d d0 @6d rec O. eot that
70 ST gu mean SIGoo or 5000 IN one year paid
tr"g ere not the most OF the payments made
o;4is It not fact tbat-were any payments
made to MI Short himself? A;-There are some
know. IVA 0'-'
,Q.-But the payments that you refer to for this
Yes sir. -
Q.-Is Mr.. .Thummel lawyer? A-Yes. sir
Q..And what year was it in which 81 600 or
$4,000 were paid TO Mr. Thummel2 A.-Two or
three years back, should say.
Q.-Was it in 1903 when this s13 900 was maid
TO Mr.. Hamilton? A.-That I don't-ft is a mat
ter OF conjecture now cannot positively say sir.
Q.-Where were these amounts booked in the
Equitable's books-under what heading or in what
account? Ain legal expenses, l take it
Q.-Does that account indicate who received the
money? A.-Yes, sir
o.[And VIII show all these payments? Ayes.
Q:-Who has the custody of that book? A.-The
cashier Keeps the original entries the auditor has
the general charge of the general books
Q:-I would be glad, you more familiar
bel am right in that am not? Are they not all
posted in the ledger? Ayes.
Q.-Under the heading, legal expense? Ayes
HOW STATES ARE ALLOTTED.
Q.-Do you know how this matter of distribution
of territory between the three companies-the
New-York Life. the Equitable and the Mutual-is
attended TO Ayes.
TSummeii and myself We make ht fbat mp and MT
then report it TO the president or controller
Q.-How do you make that up-in the form OF a
schedule of the Slater A.-Generally each year
going the various States that each were to
look after.
Do you make up a written statement? A
We over ii together and make q memorandum
and agree to which States will take care of,
and generally appear for the same State for this
period.
Q-How recently have you met Mr. Hamilton and
Mr.. Thummen for that purpose? Al think it is
two years
Q.-Are you working under the arrangement that
$50 may have it entirely clear, I would be
glad to have explain just what division you and