The evening world., 1905-12-08


coniltiona or Insurance companies II
you did not permit him 90 share In the
Iewnership2
The Same Advice.
Mr. crfvath--The same advice
The Wftness-He did not say that
Mr.. Cravath-The same advice.
I The Witness--What2
Mr.. Cravath--My advice is you are no,
required to answer any Of those ques-
! tlons. -.
O., That he did not say2 A. No, cir.
! q. Now. did ho say that any action
on the part OF the Legislature or any
official, any officer OF the government,
would be taken In the event you refused
| to aooede TO his request2
Mr., Csavath--I advise you not to an
swer the question
The Witness--I refuse to answer on
the same grounds.
The Chairman--The Committee directs
you to answer, Mr.. Ryan.
The Witness-I refuse to answer on
the advice OF counsel
Q. Now, MIR, Ryan, | think you will
be entirely free TO say what you said
TO Mr., Hartmann A, Well / told MIR.
Hartman l wanted 10 be free and did
not want any partners IN the trans
=. Odd you tell him wnyr A. My
principal reason was that | wanted TO
make this trust deed In my own way
g. Did YOU tell him that A. did
o What did he say. to you?
Mr.. Cravath-1 advise that you are
not required to answer, Mr. Ryan.
The witness-The same answer, Mr..
Chairman.
The Cbairnan-Mr, Ryan, ehe Com
mlttee does not want You 30 think that
II u seeking to be officious In the mat
The witness-T know that.
The Chairman--It thinks you per-
formed a. great public service, and is
only only seeking TO get you 20 complete
Tho witness-I still feel 1 should not
be required to answer,
The ChairInan-The committee d.
reefs you 20 answer the question
which Is asked In regard to what Mr.
Hartman said to YOU Do YOU stlll
refusei
The witness--I still refuse on advics
of counsel.
BY Mr.. Hughes;
q. You understand. Mr. Ryan, the
object of THESE questions Is not to
embarrass you. ] am sure the COM
mittee--I know I fed the delicacy OF
your position in being asked 10 state
what was said TO YOU 10 copver.
satlon OF this sort. and ! would not
ask the question n II were not that |
matter OF that sort should be brought
out, n there is anything at all n what
has been currently reported. Now, l
viii ask you an additional question,
and that this;
Had NRow With Hartman.
O. Did YOU state to Mr.. Hartman IN
,are what ne or any one else might do.
hat you proposed TO carry out your
original plans? "a I Cont remember,
Mr.. Hughes, for several days the rela-
tions between Mr.. Hartman and l were
quite strained, and ! would not under
take--it would be pretty hard for me
10 remember everything l SAD.
hat TO him, that you proposed 10 carry |
)ut your original plans, W ardless or |
What be or any one else might do IN |
he matter9 A. think 1t Is likely
q. Did you have more than one In.
.ervlew with Mr.. Hartmann A. l had
/ great many.
q Lasting over what pedodf A.
O. That was several days between
he date Of the purchase and the date
u the execution OF the trustee deed3
\. Well, II was several days from the
iate-perhaps ] ought 20 explain ~
,ought this stock on Thursday Thurs
lay night under certain conditions l
vas TO nav when certain conditions
we're compiled with and I think Il was
~ TIE next day. or perhaps Friday.
,erhaps on Saturday, and from that
line on tor perhaps a week Mr.. Har-
tman and 7 had various interviews
nd conversations
After All He Could Get.
O. What part Of the stock aid he
Wish to acquire or ask 10 take? A. Well. 4
giiess he would have taken any part
v v he could get.
Q. Did he want one-half Of III A.
10 not RENE enIber,
Q. Was he willing to pay you AZ
he same. price that YOU had to pay?
4. Yes, sir.
@, Did he say whether or not ne was
willing to put II In trust?
Mr. Cravnth-iThere Is the same objec- /
ION 10 that question. II calls for your
testimony as to Mr. Harriman's state
nerts to,vHs % which you are not
'equired to testify.
The Witree.- iefuse to answer thnt
question, Mr. Chairman, on the same
grounds
The Chairman--The Committee directs
'on TO answer the question, Mr.. Ryan
Tie Wttness-1 refuse, on advice of
,ounsel
BY Mr.. Hughes.
O. Subsequently-that Is, after the
OF the zoe shares-you bought
additional shares. did you not7 A.
id--S7 or IS shares
O. From whom did you make that
purchaser A. ] think-I do not know
who that stock came from; II was some
people connected with the Equitable
soma shares was
To Qualify plrsctors. I
g, tntgrdpang)! Wen. I was just 20
ing 10 ask you, Mr.. Ryan, what reason