New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1905-12-16

Edward H. Hartman yesterday appeared De-
fore the insurance investigating committee
voluntarily, and told his side OF his quarrei
with Thomas F. Ryan over the latters pur-
chase of the Hyde Equitable stock Like every
prominent witness who has played a return
engagement" before the committee, Mr.. Harr1-
man came back to the stand far more tractable
than he left it. At his former appearance he
had been brusque and belligerent. His answers
had been monosyllabic and he had volunteered
nothing. Yesterday, the contrary there were
moments when he might fairly be said to nave
"out-Perkinsed" Perkins in his suggestions, and
it was in these suggestions that most of the
startling testimony
On the crucial point of his testimony, those
threats OF political influence Mr.. Ryan had
described, Mr.. Harriman's testimony was dis
appointing. He failed to remember them But
he did not deny them. Mr.. Ryan had named
the witnesses to them, and Mr.. Hartman fairly
bridged the difficulty by "conceding' them and
defending their proprety. He supplemented
this by the further declaration that had he been
Mr.. Ryan he would not have misunderstood the
meaning of the talk Moreover, hs thought hit
had political influence Again, he differed radi-
callv with Mr. Ryan in the idea that their talk
on that famous occasion had been strenuous"
but he never remembered the threats"
Mr. Harr;man's declaration that Ex-Governor
odeIl derived his political power from him.
rather than vice versa, statement var1ously IN
terpreted, was one Of Mr.. Harrmsn's own con-
tributions in response to a rather general ques-
tion of Mr. Hughes's regarding his relations Win
+be former Governor. Mr.. OdeH had said these
e1ations were purely personal when ne was
-, rho stand. Much more startling was f1ai-
f,,,o,s .ranlv to q query as to whether he hau
7,a ANYTHING to carry out those threats hldu0
~ Mr. RYAN to persuade him to divide the stocA-
Mr. Hughes expected d simple hesS"IIEe- vi
hartman replied, Not yet" with such III az
cont on vet, that Mr.. Hughes had MN repeat
- CLEARLY Mr. Hartman regarded the threats
as still unfulflled. AZ,
r5arriman's testimony regarding MS
.-o,dorca with Governor Higgins and the iate
sneaker Nixon His testimony had SHOWN tiie''
+besa letters were simple enough. mere requests
=. - Informed if the Alexander faction mad leg
;,o+3or INTRODUCED affecting the Equitable situa-
ton On that he could act. Such requests as sen
senator Armstrong explained later were tie
daily trial Of every public officer But "nei1 W.
hartman was asked to whom ne auui
these letters he promptly baked he reIu ~
roll He compromised by oferlhg 10 Ten W.
II,7gbes privately. Mr.. Hughes decIareu TIC wac
not interested personally" There hao oeeh ilo
nv -, the subject up to this point, but
LJarriunan'S TeIuSdl I1AiAIN@
-.is+akan notion Of the character Oh 'f9 eo'ie
spondence.
TELLS UNDER PROTEST
FINALLY the committee tooh 70 N, - stsc,,ss
1yo--iroan withdrew with his counsei ~ 49,,
49, matter AS the three men lelt tti0 800, =,
ti'e tbar striking picture. Mr. Cra'S|en -
maoe 4 80 soa+ tall ex-Judge Lovett Is ABOVE
g. cot Mr.. Hartman is scah' NC
SIN 50, evoiled nothing, because tue 'oiii-
- "a made I'D its mind to nave Aio '
" hartman then named the 0os
,ate sneaker Nixon under protest me-
O. tt declared that there were tears - -.
,as ar this point. Others salu io %
A. all events he was clearly angry
So, moments later, when he lectureu INC -
ors about making headlines Oh ms 'e''i-,,''.
port of this lecture appeared IL
shortly. rI-ir,,ar most
,rha thing that troubled Mr. Harrllihi' l'o9'
rentlv. was his failure to make Nl'' ny an
Pr ~. e,ocL or his plans with him Al-ie
40 n,istaking the injured pride Wheh ne
= .itine TO hear from Mr.. Ryan anu Oo
,,,.ad at an uptown club. only 10 10 '"io
80 that the plans already had peeh in@N0
,,b,ic to the newspapers and that ne h@1 60.
;@orr,ed merely of an accomplished i"O'
showed in several references 10 MT
80 ua ridtculed the latter's purchase Oh
1-,,,;+ahle stock Ito avoid a tremendous imam
.,aI ranic." He said, with an evident sheel
oia, 80 bu+ Mr.. Ryan thought there
onv danger of such panic and doubt
II he did" 49,.
Ne was equally skeptical about Mr. Ryan's
,,biIanthropic motives, which he admitted ne
laid no claim TO sharing. Mr.. Ryan had told
him the Equitable affair offered him chance
.o,,a- before had 10 pose public spirited
citizen. Mr. Hartman was suspicious about
,bie He declared the Ryan control of the
E,ouitable was STAGGERING" He made 1t clear
the Ryan philanthropy was even more stag
gering' to him
"A man who has sixteen thousand miles OF
railroad and thirty-eight steamboats, TO look
af+err-he said thrty-seven and then corrected
{t--..doesn't have much time TO look after IN
surance" ne commented. and don't see how