The evening world., 1905-12-15

fiuence-to what ala you refer, Mr.. Har-
rlnan? A. referred 10 the influence
that any man OF prominence may have
who has never asked anybody to DO an
lmpr per thing.
O. You mean your Influence az a man
Of position In the community A. Yes,
sir have great interests in the State Q
u New York and in the country DArtio-
ularly. and am somewhat oonsuited al
times, and / believed whet / favored
with come people would influence them.
Q. AND you refer to them7 A. No one
8 Are You csnsuted with regard n
matters Of lestslationf A. No, Sir. "
9. We are ,..sstea Interested here In In
anything 90 do at any tfme with
any lesfsiation affecting Insurance.
oosnpaniesf A. had 10 do Win
the pheventfon OF bills being fntro-
duced In the Legislature Iast
spring when an attempt was made
by one faction Of the EQUITABLE TO
an act introdnced h the Lsrtsia<
ture which might enable them to
q. Ana how ana you accomplish that,
A. In various ways-by seeing people
that were inAuehtid IN guiding such
matters.
y. Party leaders ana othern7 A
don't know that you would call them
party leaders, but they were people
that were influential in legislative mat
ters
Y. WELL, TT HAS BEEN CHARGED
THAT THROUGH YOUR RELATION
WITH MIR. ODELL YOU HAVE PO-
ILICAL INFLUENCEj WHAT WOULD
YOU SAY AS TO THAT A. WELL, !
sHOULD THINK MR. ODELL HAD
POLITICAL INFLUENCE BECAUsB
or HIS RELATIONS WITH ME.
The witness-Tt has been charged IN
the newspapers thai there Is some
discrepancy between my testimony my
former testimony, and the statement OF
Mr.. Ryan as 10 my so-oalled attempt
to purchase an interest IN his stock,
ana / would Ike 10 state that there
was nothing at that time, at the time
! was neing questioned' BY MT; Hughes
Nina SsSs bSr. ra 99 III, subject la a AZ H., II my
correct that testimony.
His Former Testimony
Mr. Hughes-Your testimony Is as
follows, and ! am Glad you call atten-
ton 10 the subject for I had forgotten
10 mention II, 80 that you can have the
exact language l will refer 10 Il.
The Witness-Mr. Hughes. before you
get on. 10 that---r might forget lt--you
spoke Shout Gov odeh and my having
political influence because Of my rela-
like to say that all last spring during
the conference.-the Equitable contro-
versy between It's inside factions-that
Gov. odell was not here, nor was he
communicated with about IL 20 that
he had no hand In II whatever
Q. And during that period were you
IN Consultation with members OF tho
Leglslature7 A. Not specially.
@. In regard 70 insurance mattersf
A. had bae matter watched az Albany
TO see what attempts were being MADE
10 use the Legislature Improperly,
Q. With reference 10 mutualiEing he
society? A. so that one faction coId
get In OF could get control OF the com
pany by obtaining proxies OF the policy
h0liers through the agents, as they
said. like the other big HE compapies.
His Work at Albany. \
Q. / would like TO have YOU state,
Mr.. Hartman. what gbUs you TOOK. 70
prevent legislation last winter IN the
direction OF mutdelizing the -EuiitanieI
What scrt OF influence or. suEgsstDn
was there wnifh ,aS enanaasa ron lI hIu
or prevented The Introduction Of a bill
10 that. eftsct-wns 4 introdueti2n or
passa Ito prevent the INTRODUCTION OF
d bin 10 that effect--was " intr0ducuon
or passage5 A. There was threatened In
PRODUCTION OF bills from time 10 time by
what as we may term the Alexander
factfn or the so-palled protective COM
mlttee. and had several communica-
tlons with some men AZ Albany and
with men cf no interest," N this. s'tua-
ton whatever, and unless II Is par-
iicuiarly desired | would little rather
%, Wen, was any legislation nitro.
duced7 A. will tell you privately II
you want me tor
q. II Is OF no interest 70 me PERSON
ally. A. don't want 10 make senaa-
tlonai Hines for newspapers.
o. Well, was there any bill intro
duned relating to tho Equitable? A,
No. sir. I was Informed that there were
several attempts 20 have bans intro
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