Perth Amboy evening news., 1905-12-13
LEGISLATION
WAS A CLUE.
7. F. Ryan, as Witness, Revealed
EThreatS of Hartman Wanted
Share of Stock.

NEW YORK, Dec. BIN view of the
sensational testimony given by Thomas
+. Ryan, in which he stated fatty that
Edward II. Hartman had threatened
to use all his political and financial in
fiuence against him should the control
Of the Equitable be taken over without
his participation, it was generally eX-
pected that Mr.. Hartman would be
called to the stand before the legisla-
tive Investigating committee to give his
side of the affair. Upon inquiry, how
ever, it has developed that nc such
move is contemplated by the members
of the committee.
The situation which has developed is
most peculiar. The committee, it is
understood, will make no attempt to
call Mr.. Hartman. The latter, it is
believed, will not be content to rest
under the imputatlons cast upon him
by Mr.. Ryan's testimony and will de-
mand that he be heard.
AS the matter now rests the commit
tee is entirely satisfied, and il Mr.. Har-
riman is content to allow things to
stand as they are the committee will
have no objection to offer. Officially,
however, nothing has been said on the
question, all members of the committee
refusing to discuss the situation.
Mr.. Ryan's testimony was wen more
sensational than had been expected.
He declared that Mr.. Hartman had
demanded of him that he be given half
the control of the stock, that he be al
lowed to appoint two trustees in addi-
ton to those already arranged for and
hat in the event of Mr.. Ryan's refusal
he would throw all his financial and po-
litical influence against him.
During five interviews between Mr..
Hartman and Mr.. Ryan, in two of
which Elihu Root and Paul ID. Cravath
participated, these declarations We're
renewed and reiterated, the latter as
serted. Mr.. Ryan said that while Mr..
Hartman had not stated definitely that
there would be Legislative action he had
stated that there might be and that his
political influence might be very valua-
BILE to Mr.. Ryan.
The most important and sensational
answers by Mr.. Ryan were as follows:
Q. Now, you said that Mr.. Hartman
told you that you would not be able to
carry out your plan against his opposi-
ton. What opposition did he say he
would give? A. He said his full in1u-
ence would be against me.
@. Didn't he say that his political in
fluence would be against you? A. Yes.
Q. Did he refer to the legislature?
A. He referred to probable legislative
actions or action, or said that the legis-
lature would probably take action.
@. Did he tell you that if you acceded
to his request his influence would be
thrown in your favor? A. Well, that
was plain to me; it would be.
Q. Did he refer to the political fnfu-
nee that he would assert at the inter
view at which Mr.. Root and Mr.. Cra-
vath were present? A. My recollec-
ton is that he did.
United States Senator John Il. Dry
den, head of the Prudential Life Insur-
ance company of Newark, N. j., one of
the three CHARTS III the business of child
insurance, was on the witness stand all
day yesterday, except for the brief time
that Thomas f. Ryan was under exam
nation.
Senator Dryden admitted that he and
all the other officers of the company got
rebates on the insurance on their own
lives; also that the company made sew
eral payments to Andy Hamilton, legis-
lative agent of the New York Life.
He testified also that he paid out of
the policy holders money the following
sums to the Republican national COM
mittee: In 1896 the sum of $4,000, in
1900 the sun of $4,000 and in 1904 also
10000, or $4,000 in all.