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the Bulletin. I again told him no and
he hung up"
Did he present any documents show
ing that he was authorized to collect
this money for the Senators named -
said Chairman Belshaw.
NO. he did not" answered the wit
ness. He simply claimed TO repre-
sent the Senators. but he proved TO me
conclusively that he did represent
them when he told me in answer to my
statement that I would not be ready
for him on Tuesday that the proposed
investigation would be continued un-
til Wednesday. And it was continued,
as he said ii would be. He told me
that / would not have to come up un-
less desired and that if / did come up
] could write my own report as to the
condition Of the corporation ! repre-
Sented. The Big Four I have men,
toned here includes the Continental,
the Renters, the Pacific States and the
Phoenix"
The direct examination concluded at
this point and Attorney Copeland took
up the rOss-eXaminatiOn of the wit
ness
Have you known Jordan for some
tine" he asked
Yes" answered the witness. Il have
known him for about two years He
has solicited advertisements from me
and on other occasions has written ad-
Vertsements for me. ] do not know
either Senators Emmons, French,
BunAers or Wright"
McNAB IN THE PLOT.
why did you go to see Mr.. McNab
about this case2" Copeland asked.
i went TO see him because he is my
counsel We discussed the matter and
I asked him his opinion of the matter.
He expressed it in no uncertain terms
and then told me / must be sure when
the money was paid that witnesses
would be present who could later tes-
tify 10 the fact, that we might catch
all the rascals."
Did McNab tell you how he had
been used By the Examiner aud that
he was anxious to get back"
All he said regarding this was that
he 0id not care what the Examiner
did in reference to the matter. He did
not express his opinion in any way
regarding how the Examiner had
treated him. We simply discussed the
best means TO get this money into the
hands OF the Senators in the presence
Of witnesses, and / suggested that
George y. Tichenor, who had much
experience with the PinkertOns. be en-
pl0yed TO do that work. McNab said
il was the very thing. He would at
tend TO the details, he said and with
this ] stepped out and had nothing
further TO do with the case except to
hand the money to the man he in
dicated.
Did Jordan name the Senators he
claimed demanded this money!"
Yes. he said that Emmons, BUnkers
and French were certain, but ne was
not sure Of the fourth man. / fell in
with his idea because I have been in
business fifteen years and have never
rsafd
] did not need it, ] made up my
mind that II any man ever tried to
blackman me / would lay a trap for
him and corner him if ] could
Why, then, did you deem it neces-
sary to take the action you did; what
reason had you for listening to Jor-
dan. what did he have that furnished
a basis for his demand?''
THREATS ARE USED.
There is a bill before the Assembly.
No. 70, that I consider bad. This bill
if passed would do all of our conn :
nies great injury. ] heard that il L
opposed this bin it would be at
tackled in the Examiner and that ad-
jUre my business"
Who threatened your"
Frank Otis. president of the Local
League, a combine Of the smaller COM
panies, told me that if 1 opposed this
bin / might expect TO be investigated
by a legislative committee and if nec-
essary advertisements and attacks by
the papers would be directed against
me. Otis is an attorney of San Fran
cisco and is antagonistic to our inter-
ests because those he represents are
losing. while we are gaining all the
time. They are trying to legislate US
out Of business"
4 see,' said Copeland, this is a
quarrel between these companies and
i would like to ask where the people
come in?"
i am taking the side Of the people
In this" answered Grange. Yes, I
know the building and loan associa-
tions Of the State have this habit" in
terjected Copeland sarcastically
Continuing Grange testified as fol-
lows:
When Jordan first brought his de-
mand 10 me I thought it would be a
good plan to pay this money TO him if
ii would produce evidence of the guilt
Of any Of the members of this Legis-
lature. I had nothing to fear nor did
] lead Jordan to believe had anything
10 fear, though doubtless he was i'm
pressed with the view that such must
have been the case. The last conversa-
tion had with Jordan was on January
% Wnen ne IOlQ me ne had delivered
the money TO Bunkers, Emmons,
French and Wright He told me
Bunkers was $50 short This meeting
was in the Capitol Hotel in this city
IN room Ga. telegraphed him to meet
me, having asked him to get together
some bills for me. I wanted these bills
#, that I might prepare an argument
when they came up"
DISCUSS MEANS USED.
In answer to other questions carry
ing him back TO the first days of the
negotiations with Jordan, Grange said:
I tried TO communicate with Mr.
McNab on the day Jordan first called
on me, but did not get into communi-
cation with him until the following
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