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| 4" p,dh ne te', you, IN substance lhat "
you a'n no, gran, ms %ls II, ,ne ma.er 'nefe
! would probably be Legislative actloh' A. no.
he did not say that.
! q Didn't h" tell you that II you did not
meet bis wishes or permit him to have share
Of the stock hat his political influence would
be thrown against you? A Not in hat way.
| q. or in substance? A. understood that
! his entire influence. whether political, hnan-
| riaI ar otharwi.e would he a0ainst me.
o.. If vou did nor Weld TO his request, A.
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WAS ".'r j." 'NeI., ul'eo,N ~ -
hrlhR about legislative act'oh' A. "'uloh
| say Ina'' WI 'ugheS
T. But he told you tha' nus 'hnuence was
| important, and would have Importance in
case there was legislative action? A. Yes.
q. And you understood iully mat IN reius-
ing y" lhfef ms "lshes you were .ahlhs ,i ,l'e
chance "i ha'eHer opposition ne oouIu or'he
! '" near "p"p E"u' a. III any olrec,'on
O. In any direction Ana with that under-
standing you did refuseE A. did.
u Ana you 'olu nun 'na' you 'i'en"eu '''"
manaE'','eh' Dl tne EHu,'ao,e S"ou'o oe Eli
''rrF '"u'Peh'en' y. no' ,,
u independent "l "hal' A. independent
VI ','' an" every oouH 't'e -
p,,an v.aa y,rs,ilIn5 20 have Mr. HARTMAN
,3,aa t,vn ,r,,stsas 70 serve with Mr. Cieva-
i"nd Jnotice O'Rrien and Mr. Westing
bn,,sa aTha,, yo,,id osLad Mr. Hmghes
"bo,'a loe,, "a ,,;nnritr9
sTbat !. tr,,a " rar;liad Mr. Ryan shut
7 was determined to carry out the plans
tbot 7 80 $500 ~
'''aS nd nav, az, didn't vont Mr. Hartman .s
q mariner in that enternrise7" suggested
Mr. Hughes.
u didn't want anybody as a partner
said Mr., Ryan emphaticany
Mr.. Ryan said that he had several inter-
views with MIR Hartman but that the
nurnort Of ali the Ia lis was about the same
as that at which Mr. Root and Mr. Cravath
we're present. Mr.. Ryan thought that
the most Of his talks with MIR. Hartman
after the interview at which the two law
yers were present had been over the tele-
phone. Mr. Hartman called him up to
And out whether he had changed his mind.
MIR. RYAS's FINAL no"
orv,u,, T .nld h;r, o,,or .ho ,o,o,,horo .
aE Ma uotE mn thar Eve .aae ve'vpnonn , tIl
Sauu ,,t " ttsr r, 80 tbat u1o ,vn,,d
ts NOT Chan change .l'o INV % mind and with that the
''''NenV .''''''
q, Did he repeat anything ne SAID to you
a, at ''',, 'IS' L''ti nu M'.'.h M, noo' an"
an, ia'u'm ns ,'saI, W, .hot
que''res q, vi ''"' '''"'' a. WV '''"'
'ne'''o'',
At this point Mr.. Hughes put formally
TO the witness each OF the Questions Whlch
II ths naG ryhe, her Nr Hs had
aoid ~ ,bat Leo valid he onv ras,,l IN ,rinn,s
:" ~ ,,er,if hi hir, ~ sbare in the nxnersh;n
", Rh.n WV ''ani ans,ga,ad that Mr. Hnrr;mapn
- ~ tLt III, a,tira ia a,,arna1 a,n,,lJ
l'au ha thrnp 9nlSr e''ao "o-,inst hn, "'u
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" incluulhs hiH Pont""I ana iild hCial M
influence He mentioned the word "political":
A. Yes, at one interview,
, q, At ihiI interview When Mr Root ana Mr
rSvaIIn Nerm err bnsrL1 L. WIN your
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Mr.. Ryan answered IN the negative the
question whether Mr.. Hartman had said
that any action on the part OF the Legis-
lature or any officer OF the state would
be taken in the event of his refusal to accede
10 MS request
MI, Hughes wanted to know whether
stnrca that he did not nronosa a" 10 ~ taro
anybody own or control the Equitable
stock without his having an interest in it.
Well" said Mr.. Ryan. Il should not
like to say that. The conversations be-
tween Mr.. Hartman and me were rather
strenuous sometimes"
n w.u r,oap ,ybo,ber tho, ,ros ,ha
s,S,,arna -, tis ra,,,nri,sS " d,,t .hint,
I W .ia "a, No." 'oh ra,"A
""n,rI "ns m"us Wy w '"," '"e i'u'-
'"n'e s''uhtloH u 1" ie 'o"'" n'.p It,
y. hE the Elnltaoe SITUATION You mean
control oi the Stock A. Yes, SIR
Mr. RYAN said that he had had no con-
yerSation with Mr.. Hartman in regard
To the Equitable stock since the week sue
ceecling the purchase from Mr. Hyde The
purchase was made on June q. and the
trust deed was executed six days later.
The interviews between Mr. Ryan and
MIR Hartman took place in the intervening
period
Mr. Ryan sad that IN referring to the
proIapiitg oi irSie'hot>r auIlI'i NJ, ,ldt['- IT.
man Sa'S to'a,'tf u"ni w. h ,i T., .ne
nat"rt o' ine aot,o I'M mI'iIn ~, "I,t III nlIlu
NoIlouy ',9e I'nu Va. .h'Heu ,Ii I'LL 'ne MN''ees
III hrrs".u 20 @ p, IS'nt ~; Nv a.. n'tlI,'.
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