The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1904-09-04
EXPECT CHALLENGE FOR CUP.
MEMBERS OF YACHT CLUB HAVE
MUCH TO THINK OVER.
Choice Between Old and New Measure
ment Rule One OF the vexing Questions
Sir Thomas willing to Try on Old
Lines-Mylne to Design Challenger.

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Sir Thomas willing to Try on Old
Lines-Mylne TO Design Challenger.
The news that Sir Thomas Upton is to
make another attempt to capture the Ameri-
cas- Cup has caused some worriment in
yachting circles. Members Of the New
York Yacht Club are expecting daily to
hear from the Royal Ulster Yacht Club
about a challenge and some curiosity has
been manifested as to the rules that will
| govern the next series Of races.
The last races, and in fact all that have
been sailed since the Genesta-Puritan time
| in 1885, have been under the old rules, which
simply took into consideration water line
length and sail area. Now the New York
Yacht Club has a new rule Of measurement
and other factors are considered In getting
the measurement of vessel. Displace-
ment Is a factor, while length and draught
are taxed 30 that the building OF whole
some type of boat is encouraged. This
rule was adopted two years ago, but not a
single vessel Of size has been built under it,
SO that the yachtsrnen are still in the dark
as to how it will work.
well known yachtsman. a member Of
the New York Yacht Club and one who has
been prominent in Cup defence affairs,
talking Of the coming challenge said that
he did not think that the club would agree
to race under the new rule for the reason
that it had not been tried, but that II the
Royal Ulster Yacht Club or any other club
wanted a race under the old conditions
or any that oonformed strictly TO the deed
of gift the club would of course have to
agree.
Sir Thomas says that British yachtsmen
ia hn nn ila Ittf hat a il u
willing to race again under the old rule
and would like to fight it out on the old lines.
Sir Thomas has been In consultation with
George l.. Watson, but Mr.. Watson wants
TO retire from Cup racing and has peaded
ill health. 1t is now said that Alfred Mylne
will design the new challenger. Mr.. Mylne
is the most prominent OF the young, de-
signers on the other side. he worked for
some time in the Office OF George l.. Watson
and since he has branched out for himself
he has done remarkably WELL He has
beaten Fife and Watson In classes up to
the 50 rating length, and his Moyena is rs
garded as a remarkable boat. Mr.. Mylne
has been consulted by Sir Thomas, and while
boat he has agreed TO help in an advisory
capacity with Mr.. Mylne and Sir Thomas
Upton. The new boat is to be built at
Denny's yard. which is guarantee that the
boat will be well constructed.
Two designs for the challenger have been
the old rule This, 1t Is said, IL a schooner
The other conforms to the new rule and
is a sloop.
Beyond making his plans and getting
them as complete as possible Sir Thomas
Upton can 40 nothing until the challenge
has been made and formally accepted, and
then when II has been decided under what
rules the next series of races are to be sailed |
the work OF constructing the new chal- |
lenger will be pushed along as fast as pos
sble.
In the meantime N. G. Herreshoff has
been working quietly at Bristol He Is |
prepared TO turn out defender for the |
Cup at any time. If boat is wanted to |
beat the Reliance he is able to do it. and, |
according TO those who are in the confidence
Of the great designer, he can build boat
that will be five minutes faster over the
cup course than the last defender was
When the Reliance was started Mr.. Herres-
hon had planned for boat that would have
boat he did build, but hearing that the
challenger was to be low powered boat
he decided not to go to extremes with the
Reliance and cut down that boats sail plan.
II is said that in the event Of defender
being ordered to race under the old rules
the new boat will spread between $1,000
and 10000 square feet Of canvas. The
Reliance spread $4,000 square feet
There Is general opinion among mem
bers OF the New York Yacht Club that the
SAIiiV toHtlllOilS dS tHOSt Which governed |
the last series Of races will prevail again,
and in that event 1t Is not thought that il
will be necessary to build another defender,
but that the club will rely on the Reliance.
That boat defeated the Shamrock so easily
that wonderful strides will have to be made
on the other side to turn out boat that
will get on even terms with the American
yacht. There is no doubt. too. that with
more tuning up the Reliance can be made
to sail even faster than she did last year,
when she defeated the Constitution, Col
umha and Shamrock so easily.
There Ia another reason too for not build
ing a new defender. II would be much
more difficult to form another indicate
now than it was when the last challenge
was received, The wealthy members Of
money as they were then, Times have
not been as good with them, and there
might be some difficulty in. getting a half
million dollars to build yacht and race It.
alked about One is, Who will manage
he new boat? C. Oliver Iselin, who handled
he Vigilant, Defender Columbia and Re-
lance, has had enough OF the sport, and he
kinks that i is time some one else did some
work. W. B. Duncan, Jr, who handled the
Defender in Columbia's first year and the
Constitution when that yacht was built,
md who sailed on the Reliance, thinks as
Mr., Isein does. Ex-Commodore E. ID.
Morgan who sailed the Columbia in 1901
md 1908 It is thought might take the new
BOAT, but he too thinks he has done enough
hard work for the Cup. :
There are many able young yachtsmen !
n the club men like II. F. Lipptt, Harry
!. Maxwell the Hanan brothers and
Herman B. Duryea; but these men are all |
Used 10 sailing boats themselves and are ,
rood helmsmen and not managers. and il
axes a man who has great deal of execll-
i've ability and is also a good sailor to
manage Cup defender
SCHOONERS ~ LONG RACE.