Evening star., 1904-03-22
WYNNE ON THE STAND
Tells About the List Sent to
Congress.
CLERKS ALLOWANCES
CASES FIRST TRANSMITTED WITH
OUT NAMES OF CoNGREssMEN.
This Was Not Regarded as Satisfactory
CLERKS ALLOWANCES
This Was Not Regarded as Satisfactory
and It Was Changed-Mr.
Waters Explanation.

The Mccall committee today continued
its investigation of the Indictment of
m embers of the House by the Post ONCE
Department. First Assistant Postmaster
General Wynne, Charles N. Waters super.
intendent of salaries and allowance dvi-
sion. and Charles p. Granfield. assistant
superintendent of that division, were before
the committee.
Mr.. Wynne was the first to be heard, he
and Mr.. Waters taking the oath at the
same time. After calling his attention 10
the printed list of names of congressman
In the special report, Chairman Mccall ask
ed Mr.. Wynne what knowledge he had Of
this report. In reply Mr.. wynne said:
Information Given by Mr.. Waters.
1.-The first knowledge the committee
post offices and post roads had of the ex-
istence of such a list was in a statement
made by Mr.. Waters before that committee
in explanation of appropriations for sep
aratng service. When this service was
reached in the hearing the chairman cr
some member of the committee asked Mr..
Waters how many of these allowances had
been discontinued. He said there had been
about 800. My recollection is that another
question asked was if there was a list of
these discontinued allowances, and he an
swered that there was.
This Mr.. Wynne said, was on January
II. Mr.. Wynne said the next time the llst
came to his attention was on January Zl
when the Postmaster General showed hlm
letter from Chairman Overstreet. This let
ter requested all Information Whlch couid
be communicated by the fourth assistant
postmaster general with reference 10 allo".
ances for clerk hire and leases Wnlch @ @mao
been made to members of Congress Inc
Postmaster General instructed Mr.. Wynne
to procure the list. Mr.. Waters was sent
for by MIR. Wynne- He produceu tlie nsl'
and Mr. Wynne said he noticed tnal IL ooh-
tanned the names of senators, represents
tives in Congress and others NJ.
~ called tbs to the attention OF the fost-
master General" said MI Wyniie, any. al,u %. "a
nv statement that it would not be right 10
ceuple the names of these gentlemen Win
Beavers and Machen, he agreed with me
The names were eliminated and the hst
sent to Mr.. Overstreet without lhein-
The List Sent to Congress.
Tho next day the Postmaster General in
formed Mr. Wynne that this WAS not satis-
factory, and letter from Mr.. overstreet
asking for detailed Information was reaa
to the committee. Acting under ORDERS
from the Postmaster General the prepara-
ton of the printed list was begun: AS 10
make the record complete by copying eacn
letter In every case in full would make IL
cumbersome, Mr.. Wynne suggested TO the
Postmaster General an abbreviated state
nun,her of cases had been prepared tney
were submitted to the Postmaster Generai
and by him to Mr.. Overstreet rms was
exactly what was wanted, ne was on,
The work was completed FEBRUARY anu
transmitted to Mr. Overstreet the next gay
This list contained the names OF memeers
and was the list published IN the ,epo.ts
Mr. Wynne stated that he had nothing
to do with that paIt of the report CON
cernsng leases; that when the request ~.
the information Was received, ,he @ &C..
was divided, that part OF 1t whlch reie.tou .sa,
to clerk hire was given to him, ana thaa
p4rt referring to leases To the tourth as-
sistant He had nothing TO do with this
part of the report.
Mr.. Bartlett asked II this hst was oils
inally prepared at ths ihstahce VI ZIG S''~
office committee.
Mr. Wynne answered that the Hst wa
not so prepared, 1t was in existence he
added that Mr.. Waters might answer 1nas :.
Mr.. Waters was then questioned he ID
the successor of Mr.. Beavers, chieI OF tno
salary and allowance division he was
asked by Mr. Mccall about the history OF
the list.
Preparation of the List.
Mr.. Waters said that on the 1st OF No
yember. 1903, the chief post office inspector
MIR. Cochran sent for him and told MIN
that on account of statements tnat wouio
be made on the Bristow report, he wanted
to know how much work it would be TO get
ND a list from the files of all matters relat-
Ing to reductions for separating allowances
He asked to have the statement sho"
whether the allowance when made was er-
made Mr.. Cochran said II Mr Natefs
vould entail a large amount or Work. MI
Co.hran asked if ii was safe to say there
were a hundred such cases. The answer
was that about 700 reductions had peen
made. Mr. Cochrane said If Mr.. Waters
did not want to volunteer the informa-
the fourth assistant
write a letter asking for the Information
Mr. Waters requested the letter His recoi-
lection was that the letter was later re-
ceiyed. although he put his clerks at work
to prepare the list at once. The letter.
however is not on file in his papers. and
he concluded that it was never received
Tie list was prepared UP to November
10, 1903.
Mr.. Waters to know if the impression made
on his mind by Mr.. Cochran was that 10o
cases were wanted where members of Con-
gress were mentioned That was the i'm
preston, although Mr.. Waters said MI
Cochran was a fair man. and he. did not
get the impression that he wanted lat least
a hundred cases." This list included zoo
cases.
Later. and he said the list did not bear q
date. there was an addition made to 1t, on
the request of the chief inspector, which
ran ii up to $50 cases. Still another addf-
ton was made, and the chief inspector
wanted to know If he was not ABOUT
through.
Mr.. Waters replied to him that the record
was constantly accommodating. There was
only one omission in the records-at Pres
tonburg, Ky.,-where the flies were In the
hands of an inspector. He believed this
list was substantially complete, and MIR.
Waters said he was responsible for its cor
rectness Offices, however, might be read
justed at any time.
At the request of Mr.. Bartlett, the origi-
nal list was produced and retained by the
committee.
Why the List Was Wanted.
Mr.. Bartlett went over the ground again
with Mr. Waters to get his impression OF
the reason Inspector Cochran wanted ths
list in the first instance and asked: They
wanted the list Of the names of congress !
men. and wanted you to state II 1t was saeo