The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1904-02-04
!. Lively Discussion Precipitated
Il Oh the Proposed Loan to St.
Louis Exposition Company.
SENATOR G0RMAN
RAKES OPPOSITION
Have More Ships Than Can be
Manned, He Says, and the
Time Has Come to Let
War Wait and Com
rnerce be Pro
tected.
(By Associated Press.)

(By Associated Press.)
WASHINGTON, Feb. 3.-After almost
allowing the amendment to the urgent
deficiency appropriation bill. providing
for d loa a Ct $4Goo0OO TO the St. Louis
EXPOSITION, to go through without any
discussion whatever the Senate to-day
changed its tactics just as the vote was
about to be taken, and entered upon q
debate on the loan provision, which con-
tinued for about four hours, and which
u was still In progress when the Senate
adjourned for tho day.
M The debate was preclpitated by point
q OF order made against the amendment
!. by Mr.. Bailey, who supported his point
With speech based OH the theory that
a the national government was not, as
H such, concerned with the success or
4 failure of any exposition. lie was sup
+; ported by Mr.. Lodge und Mr.. I1lkins,
while speeches were made In support of
sEthe amendment by Messrs Hale, Allison,
Cockrell, Spooner McComas and others.
NNa Mr. TiIman said he wanted to say
something on this loan or gift" the
latter, he thought, as 1t was not likely
that the government would ever get any
thing back In the course of his remarks
\ no said South Carolina had had share
Of the steal that had been secured by
nlncr cit o., and he had helped to get it.
What he meant was that this expenditure
OF money was unlawful and unconstitu-
ttonalt
Mr. sprcner remarked that the senator
from South Carolina had put himself
on record ls participating in steal.
What l mean" declared Mr.. Tillman,
tis that when Congress takes money
rom tho people and gives it away for
eSaosiitnns, it amounts to steal. What
8#I want to know Is how far we are to go
and low much longer we are to partci-
rate in Here MIR. Tillman hesitated.
r Steals" intcrjected Mr.. Spooner
8 Eyes, steals said Mr.. Tiaman, de-
#4fiantly.
Mr. Fiaccn said that as he intended to
vote for the amendment he did not want
TIE Impression to go out that it was in
the wrong. He thought the appropria-
ton proper one, In reply to ques-
lion from Mr.. Bailey. he said that alb
stractly he did not endorse the prnci-
pie, and that IL the practice of giving aid
to expeditions was now being initiated
he would oppose the practice But In
view of what had been done in the past,
he considered 1t not out of place to make
the appropriation.
Better Security.
b Mr.. Elkins suggested that better So
cnrlty should be sllyen ttian the amend
ment requires and made an argument
for what he called business methods
He called attention to the fact that there
,t1,t,. o ~
VI Of s40000,010 in the treasury. ''Where is
tho money coming from? Are We golng
to take 1t from the rivers and harbors ??
n he asked.
.. Mr.. Cockrell said there could be little
y doubt that the money would be refund.
D cd, as the provision gives II lien OF! The
entire proceeds.
II want it distinctly understood, he
said, THAT this is mt = gift. but loan
which believe will be returned"
Mr.. Bailey quoted MIR. Tlllman as hay
ing asked where the practice Of gvln:
" lid to such institutions would stop. and
Il replying. SAID. like the brook, it would
''go or forever
He also referred to the fact that not
q withstand,ng Mr. Humans impn tienc
with the amendment. he intended vot
ing for it, because of the aid that tn
Charleston Exposition had received o
. Congress,
n Mr., Tillman made an explanation of tn
assistance given to Charleston. He ais
referred with evident feeling to Nil
y l3ailey's reference 10 his own attitude
H saving that tie latter had characterize
Il rhe appropriation as steal
Mr., Bailey disclaiyncd any intention t
speak of the appropriation so harshly
81 don't SO so far he said; ~ COZ,
sidcr 1t a misrepresentation"
Plea for Economy,
Mr. Lodge called attention to the pie
VI for economy OIL account OF the cundit!u
Of the treasury, Some senators migi
say we need no more battleships, but r
q did not agree, for they are necessary
3naintain peace on this hemisphere, an
Z 10 support The Monroe Doctrine, Whel
therefore. NC are asked TO economlzo
that direction and to give sums like thl
there Is q curious contradiction
M AFR, German repl!ed
s3"can It BEL he asked that the co
duet OF the financial affairs OF the cou
Try has been Of such character tn
We are TO be stopped from giving q
Necessary aid TO an exposition. TO Will
% ali The world Is looking forward as t
greatest event since 1876? Can 1t be III
such condition as this exists witho
measures being taken TO remedy II
1.-The party in poWerG"
He said that all the great ports of t
N country needed better harbors and ask
az tho commercial interests were to
thumpered and checked by the stand r
policy. and because OF the lavish expe
dipAres made on account of war.
lie was delighted that the senator FRI
n Massachusetts and Mr.. Hemcnway,
THE House of Representatives, h
brought to light that the present roven
laws were a failure, and It was well
the country to know that tho refusal
amend and change. them was que to
fear caused by the approaching Gu
SHraign Mr. German dwelt upon the pr
rect OF mol securing river and har(
a.ListlI xah that naanneu for xlle