The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1904-02-23

policeman who nanacled small man
and then seized the spells.
Mr. Hoar replied that he did not
/ mean the president and ne insisted that
! Mr. Foraker had undertaken TO in
+ terpret his meaning by separating a
( statement Of his speech from the con-
text.
The two senators stood within two or
three feet Of each other and talked
back and forth directly. They gestieul-
ated earnestly and spoke with great
/ emphasis. frequently punctuating their
remarks with expressions Of NATURAL re-
gard. Each asserted more than once
that the other was mistaken and as
frequently the statement was made
that each had been misunderstood. The
situation was quite intense and en-
dured for several minutes. until the
presiding officer called attention To the
violation Of the rules OF debate The
immediate point Of dispute was the
question whether al the time of Mr.
/ HOaF's former speech denial had been
made Of the presidents completely in
the Panama affair, Mr.. Hoar contend
ing that no such denial had been made
When Mr.. Foraker said it had been,
the Massachusetts senator replied in SO
Mr.. Hoar charged 2Ir Foraker had
done him an injustice. but the latter
replied that such was not the case. On
the contrary. the injustice had been
done to him (Foraker).' Every sen
ator knew the president denied the
completely charge through the press
said Mr. Foraker. and in view 81 that
denial he had absolute faith IN the
president and his administration. His
.r..- nd rsrrH
the president in false light.
MIR. Hoar replied that the president
should make his communications ) IN
congress and not 40 the press aGd Mr..
Foraker replied that that too. had been
done
Carmack's Speech.
When the controversy between
Messrs. HOar and Foraker had been
concluded, Afr. Camach took the floor.
He said he had no desire to participate
in "the laundry work going on OBJ the
other side but that he wanted 10
speak on another branch of the canal
question. His remarks constituted
severe aTFaigument OF Minister Buuau-
NariIIa. and included a review of his
connection with the Panama canal
based on official French documents
which were quoted. His accusation
was that Bunau-V aFiila had been as
Socfated with Baron de Reinach in his
dealings with the stockholders OF the
old canal company. He charged that
the present minister had taken advau-
tage of the situation to wreck the en-
terprisc for the purpose Of euriching
himself and ne added thar the irony
of fate was illustrated in the ciTcum-
stances that while de Reinch had COM
mitted suicide Bunau-Varill8 had been
sent rs q minister TO the United
States.
Mr.. Carmack declared that the Pan
anna canal company had no right TO the
canal right Of way.
Cullom's Address.
Mr.. CuHom followed with a carefully
prepared address i'm support of the
treaty, reviewing the circumstances
leading TO the negotiation of the agree
ment Speaking Of ColOmbia's attitude
toward The Hay-Herran treaty, he said
it had been a great blunder. He hoped
Colombia would come TO appreciate this
fact ana accept the situation He
quoted official papers to show that
neither the United States nor Colombia
could have been surprised at the seces-
sion of Panama and argued that. the
American administration being thus
warned. could not have done less than
be prepared for it. II had been definite
ly determined that no official of the
United States had any part in the
isthmian revolt
Mr.. CuIom also contended for the
regularity of the presidents recogni-
ton of the Republic of Panama as he
did of the part taken by the United
States forces at the time of the ups
rising.
Mr.. Cullom also contended that the
government os Panama was not a
mere de facto government, but a gov
eminent I'm reality. but i'm any event
ne urged it still had a right under in
ternationai usage to make a treaty
with the United States. He said that
Panama had gained her independence
without our help. so that there had
been no violation either of the con-
stituuoual or international law.
Mr.. CuIberson called zip and with
drew his. resolution directing the com
mittee on judiciary to investigate the
constitutional rights of Panama to Sc
cede and form a government.
The senate at 5.06 p. m. went into
executive session, and at $50 p. m. ad-
jOurned.