The daily morning journal and courier., 1904-07-26
THE POLICE OFFICIALS
 HEARD BY COMMISSION

had instructed the chief to talk to the men. Witness did not think it was his place tc do so.
 Considerable time was spent in asking his methods of making political con verts; what saloons he frequented while doing so, and many other ques- tions. Chairman Harrison stopped this line of questioning as being irrelevant. The next witness called was Com missioner Ul1man, who resumed his tes- timony where he had left off at the morning session. Witness had never sent for any policemen to interview them for political reasons. Witness had sent for Officer Recor at one time. Had talked to him purely on police bus mess. As Officer Recor was going away he (Recor1 said. There is going to be a hot time in the Ninth. but am with you.'' Witness replied that he was glad of it. Witness has attended the Third ward caucuses ever since he has been a voter. eighteen years.
 Witness was at the last Third ward caucus. He saw Wolfe Levy voting, and as witness knew that he was not registered in that ward he spoke to an officer about It. The officer told Mir. Levy that if he did not stop voting he would place him under arrest. MT. Isbell turned around and said: .'You'll do nothing of the kind." MT. Levy then said to MT. Isbell, "Will you protect mel" and MT. Isbell replied, T will" Witness said that there were not enough officers on the whole force to wield the power politically that they were given credit for. Since the investigation has been on witness has looked up the records and found that out Of the 165 members of the depart ment 43 only were on the republican primary lists, while of the 23 newly ap- pointed supernumeraries only are on the lists.
 Witness had not left any money in saloons for political purposes. Witness 1 had never met MT. Savers until last week when he met him in the city hall 1 Witness had never made any transfers of men on account of politics and de- nied all the statements which have been made before the commission to that effect. saying that They are ab- ! solutely false. On cross-examination Mir. Ely asked a series of questions of Commissioner Ullnlan concerning his actions during the canvass for the primaries. Commissioner UIlman de- clined to answer number of questions. Witness stated that he was willing to answer anything in relation to police business but out side of that he did not intend to make any statements. At torney Ely continued asking questions which the witness and the committee deemed to be personal. so Chairman Harrison said he need not answer then and ie also told Mr. Ely to refrain from asking them. MT. Ely said that if he could not ask questions in his own way he did not care to continue the cross-exarnination. and he then stop ped. Attorney Arvine when asked if he cared to inquire also declined The witness was then examined by mem- hers Of the commission.
 Witness thought that appointments ! to the force by rotation was just as we'll as any other way. Tn reply to questions by Dean Rogers, witness said that he knew of no transefs be- ing made in the police department for political reasons, nor did he know of any saloonkeepers being given protec- ton on account of political service. Witness said that he did not think that there was dozen saloonkeepers in the whole town who were registered on the republican primary list.
 Witness, when asked in reference to the recent retirements, said that the en- tire board was of the opinion that there were too many old men on the force, and, said the speaker, there would have been more retiements made since the last four, if it had not been that the investigation was in progress.
 Witness had no idea why it is the table shows a dropping off of liquor prosecutions, but thinks that it is be- cause owing to the strict watch kept on the police there are less violations now. At this point Attorney Arvine arose to explain his position in refer ence to the cross examination. He thought that he ought to be allowed I to examine the witness in his own way as long as he confined himself to legal precepts. .-s
 l The next witness called was Comnais- sioner Manning. Witness was not a member of the board at the time that money was taken from police pay en- velopes. Concerning witness selling ci- gars to Mckee, he said that he. the witness, was going into his shop one ] evening last fall when his foreman told him that Mckee had bought 100 cigars. Witness ordered his foreman | not to sell him any more. When Mo 1 Kee applied for more later, witness re- fused to sell him any, He denied that he said, You know, John, you're keep | ing a pool room, and if Troup heard I was selling you cigars he'd give me hell"
 Witness said he was a democrat. His