The Montgomery advertiser., 1904-01-14


 tention of ratifying the Hay -Herran treaty, MT. Carmack said: If that is true, then the President has been proceeding contrary to the laws of his country. in not going to the Nicara- qua route."
 Mir. Carmack declared that mob has as much right to hang it's victims as the President to secure what he wants by a disregard of the law. President Roose- welt. he said, loses the power of reason ing and his moral sense when he becomes involved In action. and exclaimed: The Headlong Man., Into what difficulties may we not be led by this headiong man" He did not agree that the President would, have hesitated if Colombia had been a stronger nation. On the contrary the President would have welcomed such an opportunity. He makes history as he would order a melodrama, making certain that the star performer Is always in the He went on to say that the President $ course in this matter was not merely an act, but a policy, and indicative of his character. It was not meant for Coiom- bia alone, but was the beginning of a system of iutermeddling with the affairs of the countries of Central and South America. and such a policy must inevi- tably involve us in war not only with the South American nations themselves but with European nations. In conclusion. Mir; Carmack said that while he was for the canal. he could not vote for the treaty because he could not endorse the lawless acts of which it is tn fruit
 When MT. Carmack took his seat, Mir. Aldrich asked what practical system Mir. Carmack had to offed.
 Defeat the treaty" responded Mir. Carr mack. ''rhen what?" + Build the Nicaragua canal" "Aht" responded Mr Aldrich. 'aThat Is the milk in the cocoanut." 'Mr. Aldrich proceeded to say thst he was in favor of building the canal and building 1t now.
 MT. spooner Replies. Mir. Spooner replied to Mir CarmacK, saying that he had felt regret at hear ing the criticisms of the President who had registered an oath in heaven to dis- charge his duties
 MT. Carmaclx had made n sinister and unsupported statement when he said that this country had begun a systematic enrl- croachment on the rights of the South American republics. No man had stood more consistently for impose republics than had President Roosevelt, and Mir. Spooner instanced the course of the Pres ident in the Venezuelan difficuity. No President in our history had stood more etaunchlv for the Monroe doctrine. Mir. Spooner also gave attention to the charges of disobedience of law by the President. The only enemies he had in the Unitd States are tn rsuelt of his obdience to an enforcement of the law. He has thought not of hinselg, but only of his oath. He has said again and again, speak ing of the relation of capital and labor, that they have an equal right to combine but both must keep within the Iw.
 As the author of the 5pooner set, the speaker said he wished to express the opinion that the law had not been vio- lated bv what the President bad done. The law. he said. recognized the supe- riority of the Panama route because 1t was shorter and because it swss susceptf- ble of being made see leveT canal.
 Alter rev1ewins the events relating to the Fanal neE9 ia ts9nx, MT Hzos1&s' asae oumstAnces, have turned IhIs back on Panama so long as there was bill pend ing In the Colombian CoAgrees, and he put the question especially to Mir. Till. man, who was on his feet. The latter said he would have entered into negotia- tons with Nicaragua and would have re- ported back to Congrkss for further in- structions. He would then have said to Colombia:
 Tillman Had Remedy.
 You are mangey lot; get off the face or the earth: we,lltake the country and build the canai."
 The remark caused an outburst of laughter. both on the floor of the Senate and in the galleries.
 After minutes pause Mir Spooner said that while he could not accent the senator's language, he congratulated him on coming to the Presidents position.
 Mir. Tillman called attention to Mir. Spooner's hesitation and the latter re- piled that it was because he was think ing how thankful we should be that we have not President who would use to any nation such language as the senator from South Carolina had used.
 Replying to "the man and not the sen- ator," Mir. Tillman asked Mir. Spooner whether he would not prefer a President who would say in plain terms "get out of the way" rather than to have mixed up in the bastard birth of the Republic of Panama.
 MT Tillman asked If q discreet man would not have waite9 on Congress be- fore warning Colombia off her own pre- serves at Panama and Mir. Spooner an- swered in the negative, saying that the safety, the honor and the interests of the United States required that a President should do just what Theodore Roosevelt had done.
 MT. TiIlman urged that MT. Spooner had evaded the real question. What he want- ed to know was whether the P resident had the right to use the army and navy as he had done.
 "Oh, Lord!" exclaimed MT. Spooner.
 "You'il have to call on the Lord fre- quently in this natter retorted Mir. Till man.
 q did not address the senator from South Carolina: my remark was not per- sonal," said Mir. Spooner.
 MT. Spooner declared that the Presi- dent had acted within the constitution and the law in all that he had done in Panama. It was both the right and the duty of the President to acknowledge the independence of Panama. He said that he for one resented the imputation that the President had been interruptions in his dealing with this question This last statement was made after MT. Tillman had expressed the opinion that the Amer ican consul had bribed the Colombian forces to withdraw from the isthmus.
 Mir Spooner declared that 1t was child ish to say that the President had trans acted his duty.
 "'The attack" he went on, 'is so vtru- lent and inexcusable that no reasonable explanation can be made of 1t except that of partnership of the bitterest kind.
 He invited the opposition to test the question by an early vote and closed with a defense of the President as a brave, patriotic and frank man who tries to do what the law a lands"
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