The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1904-03-09

heard. do you think he now knows
whether you are practicing poiygamy 2''
Il don't think he knows"
You think he believes you when you
4 tell him. do you not2"
T believe he believes it and believes
me"
After much effort a statement was
obtained from the witness that he
thought Senator Smoot was acquainted
with the general reputation and accept
( ed the report that Mr.. Lyman was liv-
I ing in pOlygamOus cohabitatiOn with his
/ plural wives.
Chairman Burrows asked Mr.. Lyman
/ in regard to The ReOrganized Church
I of Latter-day Saints at Lamont. Ia, of
/ which a son of Joseph Smith. the
prophet. is the head. and Mr.. Lyman
gave his ideas of the differences be-
tween the two organizations. He was
asked if the reorganized church did not
/ denOunce pOlygamy. and answered:
They denOunce it 50 hard that ii al
most prOyOkes us to defend it
Recognized Church's Policy.
Senator Dubois asked if the reorgan-
lied church teaches absolute obedience
10 its leaders. and was informed by Ly-
man that he understood the church was
not very strenuous in that regard.
Now, in regard TO the consent given
Senator SmoOt to become a candidate
for senator-suppOse President Smith
had refused to give this consent and
SmOot had insisted on becoming can
didate, what would have happened to
him2" asked Senator Dubois.
Mr.. Lyman said Senator Snoot would
have been disciplined, taken to task,
reproved or corrected. He was asked
what would have happened in the event
Of President Smith having given his
consent to another apostle to become a
candidate for the senate.
L don't know. 1t would have made
( lots Of confusion. We have scraps
about this question when it comes to
us"
Mr.. Worthington having objected to
the question concerning the belief OF the
recognized church as irrevelant, Sem
ator HOar said that the senate investi-
cation was more like a grand jury in
quiry than a trial. and that they were
not confined to the narrow issues Of
this question. If we had been L would
not have put many Of the questions
which I have in this case"
Mr.. WOrthingtOn said he had no OBJ
| lection to the testimony so long as it
| is understood that irrevelant matter
win not be taken seriously by the COM
mittee
Mr. Tayler said it had been shown
one of the religions was composed of
/ peaceable, law abiding citizens, while
the other is a menace to society and
good government. and that in the lat
| ter case Senator Smoot is so woven into
the organization that we hold we can
not be extricated without cutting him
self off entirely"
Mr.. WOTthingtOn inquired Of Mr..
I Lyman whether Senator SmOOt could
not resign his apostleship if he wanted
TO do anything which the church for
bids and still remain Mormon in good
standing. The witness answered af-
! .firmatively.
One Revelation That Didn't Please.
Mr.. Lyman told the story of an effort
on the part of Prophet Joseph Smith to
get rid of one of the high councillors
| who had been chosen by revelation and
! the refusal of the people to submit TO
the change. This was for the purpose
Of showing that the will of the people
is stronger than the wish or command
] OF the president OF the church.
DO you mean to say" asked Senator
! HOar, that a revelation from the Lord
which had been rejected by the people
would count for nothing"
1T would count for nothing for those
who rejected it,
w Oulu II DC DlilulnS uHOll lllC Alk1ll u
ment of the Lord who received the
| revelation? I mean if the revelation
| should be received by you and the peO-
| pie refused to accept il, would il be
| binding upon you to follow the revela-
| ton or to follow the wish of the peO-
ple?"
I'VE should follow the wish Of the
people"
well. how about your"
Il should be bound by what the peo-
pie direct"
Then" said Senator Hoar, "the
voice of the people is of more authority
than the mandate Of the LOrd?"
THE law of the Lord is whatever is
/ done by common consent"
''Then the Lord submits to the peo-
pie whatever he desires 70 have done,
and if the people like it they give their
| consent. That is your belief is it?''
People have their rights and they
must be respected" answered the wit
ness. The Lord can't make the people
/ do right or accept his laws. Nan is
| left to follow his own agency in regard
to religion, business and politics"
Then" persisted Senator Hoar,
where the Lord has chosen certain
I persons as apostles, and the people do
/ not care to accept the selection, what
! happens"
THE man always steps aside when
the people reject"
They have sort of veto power over
the Lord, them"
Both the prosecution and defense an
/ nounced they had concluded with
| Apostle Lyman, and he was discharged.
The committee adjourned until to-
I morrow.