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Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1904-07-09

men. These candidates were Hearst
Gray, Olney, Cockrell, Miles and Pat
tison. Then turning to the New
York delegation he said Nebraska
asks nothing. All we want is a man
who can get behind and work for and
trust, Eight years ago the Democrat
ic platform placed our banner in my
hands. Four years later my commits,
sion was renewed | now return the
standard and take my place in the
party ranks. You may charge that my
leadership was faulty, and that /
failed, but defy you to say that /
have been untrue to the trust or false
to the Democratic faith. Do not COM
pei the Democracy to choose between
militaryism and plutocracy; do not
force us either to acknowledge a god
of war or bow down to a god of gold
Give us man of and for the peo
pie"
THE reasons that made the elec-
tion of a Democrat desirable were
stronger in 1900 than in 1896, and the
reasons that make the election of a
Democratic candidate desirable are
stronger in 1904 than in 1900. The
gentleman who presented the New
York candidate dwelt upon the
dangers Of militarism. and he did not
over estimate the dangers" Bryan
then quoted extracts from Blacks
speech nominating Roosevelt, declar-
ing that war still has its uses "This
is eulogy of war" said Bryan, "this is
a declaration that he hoped perpetual
peace will never come. This is eulo.
gizing the doctrine of brute force,
and this presidential candidate for
reelection is represented as an en-
bodiment of that idea. For two thou
sand years the doctrine of peace has
been growing, and now an ex-governor
of the greatest state of the nation pre-
sents for the office of president of the
greatest republic a man whose granite
and iron (applause), II the President
believes with his sponsor at Chicago,
is that wars must settle the destinies
Of nations; that peace Is but dream.
He is a dangerous man for our coun-
try and world. | believe he ought to
be defeated. | believe he can be de-
feated, and, If the Democratic party
does what he ought to, believe he
will be defeated"
Bryan's last stand in the conven-
ion was made with hollow but blazing
eyes, and his voice 50 husky 1t seemed
% tear the very flesh In his throat.
Dawn shone in upon the sickly lights
If the convention hall, where thou
sands of people, weary unto the verge !,
'f collapse, sat and listened to the /
proud justification of the beaten lead
srs.
81 return to you the standard you
rave me to bear" he thundered, 81
nay have failed in wisdom and may
ave lost fights, but defy any man
o say that / have been false to my
rust or untrue to my Democracy"
For so hours Bryan hal slept less than
Ialf an hour, and he had led the tight
gainst the Parker men in the commit
ee and on the floor. In the commit
ee he was more successful than on
he floor
A great demonstration followed
'ryan's speech, and as the roll was
allied the Nebraskan left the hall on
he arm Of his brother, and In FIVE
minutes after his arrival at the hotel
q was fast asleep. His marvellous
hyslque had been taxed TO the ut
lost, and. as he walked to the hotel,
wo blocks away, he leaned heavily ]
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1904-07-09
DELEGATES
IN NIGHT
SESSION

Continued from first page.)
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1904-07-09
Christian Science.

Second Church of Christ, Scientist,
140 Chemeketa street. Services Sun
day at 1890 a. m. and p. m. Sub
iect of lesson sermon, Sacrament" "
Sunday school at 11:15 a. m. We'd
nesday evening testimonial meeting
at s o'clock. Reading room in the
church open each afternoon except
Sunday. All are cordially invited
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1904-07-09
reme eourt Of appeaIs In 1sg7.

preme court of appeals in 1897.
He lives at Esopus, near Kingston,
on the Hudson.
Early in life he married Miss Mary
L. Schoonmaker, and their family
consists of one daughter, now married
to Rev. Charles Mercer Hall, of Kings
ton.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1904-07-09

or his brother, as he fairly fell upon
his bed. Bryan said to the Scripps
News representative: "As the end of
the roll call approached l saw that
Parker was near enough to the nomi.
nation to win on the first ballot, and
then | left the hall to get the needed
rest, as | had not slept for 40 hours.
81 tried to defeat the Republican
party, as your candidate. | failed, you
say. Yes, l received a million more
votes than any Democrat had ever re-
ceived before, and 1 failed. Why, be-
cause there are some who had affillat.
ed with the Democratic party who
thought my election would be danger
GUS to the country, and they left me
and helped my opponents. That is
why have no words of criticism for
them. (Applause). But, my friends,
IL | failed with six and ohe-half mil
lion votes to defeat the Republican
party, can those who defeated me sue.
ceed in defeating the Republican
party"
He denounced as false the story
that he had tried to be dictator, and
went to say that ne still believed in
the Chicago platform.
Bryan's speech threw the conven.
tion into an uproar, but the plans OF
the Hill-Sheehan-Murphy combine
were too well laid to be shaken.
The detailed vote is as follows: Z
Parker-Alabama 22, Arkansas 1S,
Colorado 4, Connecticut IA, Florida 6.
Georgia 26 Indiana 80, Kansas T.,
Kentcky 26, Louisiana IS, Maine Z,
Maryland 16, Michigan 2S, Minnesota
49, Mississippi 90, Montana 6, New
Hampshire 8, New Jersey "a, New
York rs, North Carolina "a, Ohio 26
Oregon 4, Pennsylvania 6S, Rhode
Island 2, South Carolina IS, Tennessee
"a, Texas 36, Utah 6, Vermonth 8, Vir-
ginia "a, West Virginia 10, Alaska 8,
District of Columbia 6, Indian Terri
tory s, Oklahoma 2. Porto Rico 2; to-
tai 63S.
Hearst-Arizona 6, California 90 Col
orado 5, Florida 4. Idaho 6, Illinois 81,
Iowa 26, Kansas 10, Maine 1, Minneso-
ia 8, Nebraska 4. Nevada 6, Oregon 2.
Rhode Island 6. South Dakota 8, Wash
ington 10, West Virginia 2, Wyoming
6, Indian territory /, Hawaii 6, New
Mexico 6, Oklahoma 2, Porto Rico 4;
total 200
Cockrell-Kansas l. Minnesota 1,
Missouri SO. Nebraska 4 total 40.
Wall-Nebraska /, Wisconsin 26;
total "a.
olney-Malne 4, Massachusetts, S2.
Nebraska 1; total 81.
Coler-Oregon /.
Winams-North Dakota 8.
Gorman-West Virginia 2.
McClellan-Coorad /, Oregon /, |
Oklahoma /; total 3.
Miles-Kansas 2, Nebraska / total /
3.
Gray-Delaware 6, Minnesota 1,
Nebraska / total 12
Idaho. Washington and West Vir.
gnia thereupon changed to Parker
giving him a clear plurality, and Dock.
cry moved to make the nomination
Alton Brooks Parker was born IN
Cortland, N. Y, in 1852.
He was educated in the public
schools and at the Cortland academy
He taught school while studying
law. and graduated from the Albany
Law School.
His first public ONCE was that OF
surrogate OF Ulster county, and he
managed the Democratic campaign
which made David b. Hill governor OF
New York
He declined the nomination for
leutenantgoyernor In 1883 and 1885,
and was appointed justice Of the SUI
preme court In 1896.
In 1891 he declined the Democratic
for governor OF New York.
but was elected chief Judge OF the su.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1904-07-09
PERSONALS

Mel Hamilton went to Portland yes
terday on a business visit.
Mrs. F. w. Ward is spending a few
days with friends at Albany.
Mr.. and Mrs. L. Cameron, of Ian
sing, Mich, are visiting in the city
Hon. Thos. Kay returned last even
ing from business visit to Portland
Samuel Veatch, the popular con
ductor returned from visit to Texas
Prof and Mrs. Markham of Mt. An
gel spent the day in Salem yester
day.
Prof. j. B. T. Tuthill left yesterday
for San Jose, Cal, where he will here
after reside.
Miss Ellen Johnson, of Silverton is
spending the week with Mrs. s. p
McCracken.
Mrs Emil Durrenberger, of Albany
is visiting at the home of Mr., and Mrs
o. Neeland.
Miss Mata Klein returned last ev
ening from an extended visit with
relatives in Roseburg.
Miss Bessie Cameron, of Albany, is
visiting with Mr.. and Mrs. Albro
Dickinson for few days.
Mr.. and Mrs. J. R. Linn have re
turned from an extended visit to St
Louis and other Eastern points.
Misses Mary AMI Matilda Eckerlen
returned yesterday from a two weeks
visit with relatives near Sublimity.
Mr.. and Mrs. j. c. Thompson and
granddaughter Miss Aline Thompson,
went to Newport this morning for an
outing.
Mr.. and Mrs. Samuel f. Ramp, of
Illinois, are in the city, the guests of
their cousin, Mrs. Samuel Ramp, OF
this city.
Mr.. and Mrs. Charles Calvert, little
Mark Skiff and Gerald Kneeves went
to Newport this morning, where they
will spend the summer.
Mrs. l.. W. Pickard, of San Francis
co, who has been visiting her mother
in this city, left yesterday for a visit
with relatives in Portland.
MIR. and Mrs. A. j. Basey left yes.
terday for Beaver, Oregon, on the
Tillamook, where they will enjoy an
outing, fishing and hunting.
John Souder, of Port Townsend,
Wash, arrived in the city yesterday
for a visit with old friends. Mr. Soud
er formerly resided in Salem.
Mrs F. P. Friday, who has been
visiting her relatives, Mrs. Often and
Mrs. ". e. Sherman. returned to her
home in Hood River last evening,
Mrs. Henry Brown left yesterday
for Pendleton, where she will visit
with her sister Mrs j. w, Salisbury.
Mr.. Brown accompanied her to Port
land
Mrs. Frazer and family of Eugene,
who have been visiting Mrs. Frazier's
sister, Mrs. T. j. Cronise, left yester.
day for visit with relatives in Port.
land.
Mrs. w. C. Hale and Miss Jessie
Hale, of Grants Pass, who have been
the guests of Mrs. c. S. Moore, of this
city, left yesterday for a short out
ing at Newport.
Miss Frances Godfrey, of San Fran
cisco, and Miss Kate Godfrey, Of Port.
and, daughters of James e. Godfrey,
foreman of the state printing ofiee,
visited friends in Dallas this week.
Observer.
Prof. and Mrs. w l. Staley returned
rom an extended tour Of the East.
Among other prominent places they
7isited the Worlds Fair at st. Louis.
Ind spent a very enjoyable time with
n the gates Of that place.
Miss Alice Hastings. who has been
Employed at the Oregon Hospital for
insane for the past Ave years, has
'esigned her DOsifiou. and leaves soon
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1904-07-09
Comment unneoesaarY.

oyster Bay, July 9.--Presldent
Roosevelt received the news OF Park
er's nomination early this morning by
telephone from his Office What com
ment, If any was made by the Presl-
dent, is not known.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1904-07-09

Milwaukee, July 9.-E. C. Wall this
morning telegraphed his congratula-
tions to Judge Parker promising him
his vigorous support.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1904-07-09
New Dentist.

Dr. Kelly extracts and fills teeth alb.
solutely painless. by new process
All work guaranteed for five years.
Gray building, Phone Main 1917.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1904-07-09
Chicago Markets.

Chicago, July 9.-Old July, $3.50
$685.; new, S9%@SS%; July corn,
4s%@4S1s.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1904-07-09

Good tea, good coffee, best
baking powder, best Aavoring
extracts, best spices, pure soda,
at fair prices and moneyback.
Schilling's Best, at your
grocer's.
Daily capital journal. (Salem, Oregon) 1903-1919, 1904-07-09
Men Wanted

To work at track work Monday or
later Call at office of Citizens Light
& Traction Co. 7-9-2t
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30
RearfuI odds Against Him.

Eedndden, alone and destitute. Such
N brief was the condition Of an old
soldier by name of j. J. Ravens, Yer
allies, 0. For years he was troubled
with kidney disease and neither doc
tors nor medicines gave him relief.
~ length he tried Electric Bitters. 1t
INT him on his feet in short order
end now he testifes: "Tm on the
rcsd to complete recovery" Best on
earth fon-14@Sg and kidney troubles
and al forms Of stomach and bowel
only soc Guarantee by
smiths Pharmacy.
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

We cannot understand why any per.
son suffering with cold OF throat
md lung trouble will neglect to pur
chase a bottle of German Syrup, sold
in all civilized parts Of the world
tuoid a single cae- Of failure, There
thOn aads uf : ISL mptives riph'
- III nrubsHicE iaal give Bochces
'an syrup ne snlc credit Of thrf
Ing alive today Ash "aur drueeis
q * an1 ~ cents Smiths Phar
1~r,
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

Johnnie Hicks, a negro who has
been evading the police TO" several
weeks was captured by officer Hardy
Gunner yesterday. Hicks is wanted
or the charge of disturbing public
Worship.
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

A piece Of flannel dampened with
Chamberlains pain balm and bound
on the affected parts is better than a
p aster for lame back and Cor pains
IN the side or chest Pain balm has
no superior as a liniment for the re-
lief Of deep seated muscular and rheu
matte pains. For sale by all drug
gists.
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30
IN Praise of Chamberlain's Collie ChoI
era and Diarrhoea Remedy.

"Allow me to give you a few words
in praise of Chamberlain collie, chol-
era and diarrhoea remedy" says John
Itamlett, of Eagle Pass, Texas. Il
suffered one week with bowel trouble
and took all kinds Of medicine without
getting any relief, when my friend
C Johnson. merchant here advised
ne to take this remedy. After taking
one dose felt greatly relieved and
when I had taken the third dose was
entirely cured. | thank you from the
bottom Of my heart for putting this
great remedy in the hands of man
kind" For sale by all druggists.
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YOU SHOULD HAVE A WRITE UP
IN THE SPECIAL INDUSTRIAL EDI
TON OF TIE NEWS.
NOtlee to pebtors and credItors.

II VItNIIA VI 7 III NUUlLy,
Notice Is hereby given to the cred.
tiers of the estate of Charles A. Hoyt
late of said county, deceased, to rem
der in an account of their demands
70 me within the time prescribed by
iaw proper made ont. And all per,
sens indebted to Gnid deceased are
ereby requested t. make immediate
payment to the Undersigned. This
he Sth day OF September a. b., 1904
n. j. Read.
Administrators Of CHARLES A Hoyt.
$500
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

docs diminish the pain accompanying
maternity With its aid mothers can and
DO bring healthy, sweet dispositioned
and ideal babies into the world.
Morning sickness. sore breasts and ex-
crusiating pains caused BY the gradually
expanding organs, are relieved by this
penetrating and relaxing liniment
Among the manifold aids to childbirth
Mothers Friend has grown il popularity
and gained a prestige among rich women
as well as poor; it is found and welcomed
III the mansion as we'll as III the cabin.
a. BY lessening the mothers agony of mind
and diminishing pain a beautiful influence
is wrought upon the child. and instead Of
pcevisli, ill-tempered and sickly forms YOU
have healthy, laughing humanity, remain
ing ablessing ever to you and its country,
Al Drurgists sell Mothers Friend 1t sT.oo.
Write for our free Book Motherhood"
IsE GRADFizLD REGULATOR CO.. Atlanta. cA
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

Newcastle street presented an unus-
ually busy appearance yesterday after
neon. Several of the dry goods stores
naugmated great bargain sales and
me ladies' were out in full force to
t..ke advantage of them.
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

The first week in the public schools
ends today Everything is now in
good working order and the children
are all down to hard work for the
year. The attendance is tho largest
in the history of the schools and the
year is expeced to be most success
fui one. -gr--uv 49,.
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30
THE POWER OF STEAM.
Many May See nut Ii Takes Genius to
Realize.

When James Watt saw the steam
causing the kettle lid to jump up and
down he said '"rhere must be power in
that steam that 1t can lift such a
weight"
There was
Millions prior to him had seen the
same phenomenon and regarded it as
an unexplained mystery.
Recent scientific research has put it's
finger on the cause of Dandruff Fall
Ing Hair. and consequent Badness, and
has unearthed tiny germ which eats
the life from the roots of human hair
Newbro's Herpicide destroys this
germ and consequently restores the
hair to it's natural state
Sold by leading druggists. Send 10c. in
stamps for sample 20 The Herpicide Co,
Detroit. Mich.
For sale by Morgan's drug store,
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30
AROUND THE CITY

Bass are b,nting plentiful off Buz-
zard Roost point at present and yes
terday several boats were out and
about a dozen of the large fish were
pr lied in.
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

$50 suits fleece lined underwear viii
lie put on sale Saturday and Saturday
only, 75c per suit. Other stores charge
81 rs for the same goods. l.. J. Joel
30S-309 Bay street.
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

$50 suits fleece lneds@1derwea viii
be put on sale Sat!Nday and Saturday
only, 75c per suit. Other stores charge
$!25 for the same goods, l.. Joel,
3GS-309 Bay street
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

was thirteen months old. He is now
two years and four months, and has
never had the slightest return of it. 1
am very grateful for the benefits de.
rived from your remedies, and shall
feel it pleasure to make their value
known. For corroboration of this
statement you may refer any one to
Mrs. Williams, 40 Mlchaels Road, Alder.
shot, or Mr.. Gunstane, 40 Victoria
Road, Aldershot, to whom we recon-
mended the remedies for skin humour,
which they also cured. You are at
liberty to do what you like with this
statement, as | should like all to know
of the value Of Cnticnra.n
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30
For sale.

Kiefer pears. Can furnish any
quantity from one bushel, at $3.50 per
bushel. Good for preserving purposes
Telephone Brunswick Steam Laundry.
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

You cannot begin to imagine the
good things we have at this sale Come
and see kaiser's Thurs. Fri. and Sat.
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

What's all the cxcitement?. .kaisers
Eonest and Genuine sale, Thurs. Fri.
and Sat.
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

Thirty Cents will look like a dollar
at kaiser's sale, Thurs. Fri. ard Sat.
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

Renting and collecting. Desirable,
ouses for rent in all sections of the
city r.. r. Hitch & Co
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

kaser's Honest and Genuine Sale,
Thurs Fri. and Sat. :.
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

He is not here, but [. j. Joel the
reliable pawnbroker is. See him. Nuff
said.
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

BE sure to attend Kaser's Honest
and Genuine Sale, Thurs. Fri. and Sat.
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

What happenings? kaiser's Homes
and Genuine Sale, Thursday, Friday
and Saturday.
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30

+" We noticed an
i'm prov e m ent at
once, and within o
fortnight the rum
n ing had ceased
and the scales were
nearly all dried off,
and in q month his
face was perfectly
clear, not a spot
left. | have en-
closed photograph
of him when he
The Brunswick daily news. [volume] (Brunswick, Ga.) 1903-1906, 1904-09-30
BABY QUIRK'S
QUICK CURE
OF TOruring Eczema
by CutiCura
When All Else Had
Utterly Failed.

"My baby, Owen Herbert Quirk, was
afflicted from the age of six weeks with
a loathsome running eczema, almost
covering his face. ! took him to Drs.
--- and - of Victoria Road,
Aldershot, and he was treated by them
for three months, but got much worse,
and was sickenIng sight to look at.
l saw an advertisement of the Cuticura
Remedies, and got the Soap, Ointment
and Resolvent.
New-York tribune., 1904-08-30
VAR VIEWS OF EXPERTS.
Belief That the Russian Policy WiH
Be to Retreat Again.
IFRoM THE TRIBUNE BUREAU.l

Washington Aug 29.-The military experts
say that the engagement between the Russians
and the Japanese has not proceeded sufficiently
far 10 indicate the plans of the former and there
is n division of military opinion regarding the
nurpose Of the Russians to obstruct the advance
OF the Japanese. Some OF the experts believe
the Russian scheme will be to retreat again. and
they find something to sustain this view IN the
report to Toxic to the effect that the Russians
have evacuated An-Ping. abandoning large
quantities OF stores, incident which illus
trates the unpremeditated circumstances OF the
departure An-Ping is a valuable position 10
hold against force which is advancing with m
tentionc against Liao-Yang. and its abandon
ment betrays defect in the Russian system, II
the Russians really intended 70 hold Liao-Yang
against the Japanese.
An incident which has attracted considerable
attention here is the continued employment OF
the thanking movement by the Japanese. with
success from all accounts. since the Russians
are found 10 be retreating from some OF the
strongholds which they might be expected to re-
tain if they possessed the numerical strength to
oppose the Japanese.
1t is also noted that the reports contain men
ton of tho difficulties encountered by the troops
In moving over the bad roads. This obstacle Is
no. figuring as prominently as had been expect
ed and II does not appear to have worried the
Japanese. although the eNperlS mere say tA"'
more will probably be heard about that when
the reports OF the American attaches shall have
been received. 1t is rather significant that moth
Ing comes from either adversary which would
contribute to the comfort OF the enemy. The
Russian facilities OF recuperation offer the most
alIuring object OF japanese attack. say the army
officers and 1t IS expected that the railroad USED
by the Russians will be destroyed so far as It Is
out of the territory where It might ultimately
be OF use to the Japanese themselves.
New-York tribune., 1904-08-30

has risen It is possibly becoming In him to
play Prince Hal and forget his Falstafs, but up
TO the present time the Falstaffs have been his
political companions.
No pretence of superiority to Hill was seen
when Hill was fighting to secure Parker In
structions at Albany, or when he was wire
pulling to secure two-thirds vote at st. Louis
Just as Judge Parker was for silver till silver
principles were no longer politically useful, so
be belonged to Hill party until Hill, instead
Of being useful for delegate getting. became a
handicap on vote getting. Consequently Hill
ostentatiously retires. What does such pledge
as he gives amount to? He will maintain his
interest In the success of Democratic principles
'and candidates in his capacity private
''citizen." VIII that prevent his being the Writ
ual boss OF New-York? VIII IT prevent him
at the age of only sixty -four from using New
Yorks ascendency over the part to be himself
the candidate in 1908 If Judge Parker should
be elected for the single term to which he
pledges himself? David B. Hill is a crafty
politician. Nobody ever accused him Of keeping
faith which he found it convenient to break
His present pledge is manifesty polite. Are
the mugwumps, who so long disrusted him, TO
be taken in by his chaff at this late day?