The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1904-01-07

w regularities in the postofhce de-
partment constituted the only
theme in the senate today. The ques-
ton came up on motion first made
by Mr.. Lodge ana afterward by Mr..
-PenrOse to refer the Carmack resolu-
ton looking to a senatorial investiga-
tion Of the postofdee department to the
committee on pOstofices and post roads.
The Democratic senator's resisted the
motion and contended that the country
would not be satisfied with an investi-
cation OF a department made by the
department itself. The debate contin-
ued for almost two and a half hours
and was extremely spirited from start
h finish. Further consideration of the
Subject was deferred until Friday.
Morgan Resolution Went Over.
When the senate met today Mr.. Nor
CANS resolution declaring that the
president has no power to declare war
was read. but at the request OF Mr..
Morgan it went over for the day.
The resolution Of Mr.. Carmack, di-
recting the postmaster general to send
to the senate the papers connected
with the postoffice department irregu-
larities and providing for a senatorial
investigation, was taken I'D and Mr..
Lodge moved its reference to the COM
nIittee on DostOffices.
Mr.. Carmack resisted this motion, de-
claring that If departmental irregulari-
ties were to be investigated only by
the departments themselves, it would
not be long until they would 'be a
stencil in the nostriis of the people"
The only safeguard was in cOngTession-
al investigation, he said.
Mr.. Teller expressed the opinion that
the postoftfce department would make
p thorough investigation, but commended
that the legislative branch should re-
tain the right to make an inquiry.
Bristow's Report.
Mr.. Clay expressed surprise that
there should be opposition 10 the reso-
luton and he called attention to the
declarations by Fourth Assistant Post
master General Bristow ard COUnsellors
BCnaparte and Conrad that the inves-
tigati0n should be carried further. He
declared that the BristoW report dem
CHstrates the absolute guilt of the late
first assistant postmaster general, Mr..
Heath. he (Bristow) says himself that
iris leading high official was guilty and
she prcOf overwhelming. IF this is true,
MI Heath should have been indicted.
] VIII do Mr. Bristow the credit to say
that his report shows that the frauds
Of the postoliice department originated
III Heath's Office. If so, he must have
Fad cognizance of them Then why
Should the subordinates in that Office
be indicted and the principal be al
lowed TO escapes"
Extracts Quoted.
Mr. Clay quoted extracts from the
Bristow report to substantiate his ar
guIDent.
IF" he said. "this report speaks the
truth, Perry :. Heath originated all
the frauds in his Office"
IT." he continued, the report is not
correct, the facts should be known and
Mr.. Heath indicated. If the charges
are well founded Mr.. Heath should be
indicted and punished
As for himself, he did not want to do
any injustice TO Mr.. Heath, or any 9TH
ers, and for this reason he desired the
investigation.
Reference also was made TO the ne
gotiatiOns with D. $. Richardson con-
corning the Montague indicator which
Mr.. Clay said there We're many sus-
picious features pointing to Nj. Heath.
Mr. Clay's Belief.
Mr.. CLAY declared his conviction from
a thorough reading Of the Bristow re-
port that Mr.. BristOw had been salts
fed beyond a doubt that the guiltiest
Marty of all was the retired first as
sistant postmaster general. yet he had
never been indicted or arrested.
In the interest of fair play, in the
Interest Of Justice, in the interest Of
GOOD government and clean admins
tratiOn," he said, "there should be an
inquiry. and ] am surprised that my
friend the senator from Massachusetts
CIr LODGE, should object"
Mr.. Clay also declared that the pres
ident reflected seriously upon Mr..
Heath and desired the retirement Of
Mr.. Heath from the secretaTyship Of
the Republican national committee.
Mr.. Penrose. chairman Of the COM
mittee on postoffices and post roads,
expressed his wish that there should
be an invetigation, but added that in
asmuch as there was disagreement as
TO the uhra eOlogy, he preferred TO have
the entire question referred 10 the COM
Insttee on postofHces, piedging himself
TO call an early meeting Tor the pur-
pose OF taking the question up.
Mr.. Teller's Views.
Mr.. Teller said that If for no other
reason than that criminal charges were
made against senators and members OF
the house Of Representatives an iuvestiga-
fiou should be made. Later he spoke Of
the ueyvsnauer reports that a lease of q
postoffice building was owned by "A United
States senator and also quoted the press
reports saving that the postOffice depart
meut had explained that the lease ~ TINS
ease had been made because the senator $
building could be secured at q lower price
than any other. THAT" he said. rs
most astounding. When did the pOstmaS-
ter general or the president. for that ma Z
ter get the right TO suspend tie statute
forbidGing this practiCe@
Mr. Foraker interrupted Mr.. Teller 60
say d was his understanding that the
lease Of the building under consideration
had been made before the property had
who now owns 1T. that the senator did nos
know of the lease when he acquired the
building and that he had been trying To
get rid Of it since he had made the dis
COYery.
III that is true" responded Mr.. Teller,
the representations to which 1 have re-
ferred are gross SANDER
1ir Foraker admitted the correctness of
this inference.
Payne and "Hot Air"
AIr. Carmaek made a general plea for a
senatorial inquiry. and quoted the news
paper reDort to the effect that the post
master general bad not been in sympathy
with the pOstoffice department inquiry
when undertaken and that he had pro-
n0uncea the Tulloch charges 20 be "hot
air
Thls statement aroused Mr.. spooner.
who said that the charge did great in
alstiCe 10 the postmaster general. So lar
fs the HristoW inquiry was concerned Mr..
PAYNE had been in thorough sympathy
eith e and had placed the entire machin-
Frv Of the department at the command of
The official who had made this most re-
morseless inquiry
ReDlving. Alr. Carmack 7isclaimed any
Intention to charge sir. Payne with COM
piicity in OF sympathy with the Irregular
flies I'M his department His suggestion
was that Of Indifference 10 the wrong and
al inf ne "a