The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1904-03-06
WARM DEBATE
ON NAVAL BILL
Senator Nelson FavOrS Alliance
With England and Japan.
PROMPTLY CALLED BY HALL
DEPEW PUT IN A HOLE BY
CARMACK.


day passed the following bills:
Amending the mineral land laws rela-
tive 10 surveys.
Amending the Law. for the correction
Of double allotments to Indians.
Authorizing the president 10 extend
an invitation TO the interna tional con-
eress of hygiene TO meet at Washington
in 1909.
Mr.. Cullom presented the renort ef
the conference committee on the leEis-
lative, executive Snd judicial aDpropri-
aeon bill and it was agreed to.
The naval appropriation bttlzwas TAX
en- up and the discussion immediately
took on political aspect. Mr. Clay
took issue with the contentious of
Messrs. Lodge ard Depew as to the ne
cessity for strong sighting sea force
te keep the United States out of war
Mr.. Clay also contended that there
should be a congressional committee to
investigate expenditures in the depart
ments, saying that no business man
would let business involving millions
drift along as congress was doing.
Policy Criticised.
He criticised the policy that led to
the expenditures of 500. 600 600 annually
Tor war and refused TO erect public
buildings - Washington that would
save rentssof 100000 per year.
Mr. Martin Dem-), a member of the
committee on naval affairs, defended
the bill
I've must have a strong navy" he
said, and he instanced the recent ex-
pansion of the United states as furnish
ing the reason for this necessity
He referred to the possibility of
France and Great Britain beirg drawn
INTO the Oriental war because of their
respective alliance with Russia and
Japan and while he sid not believe that
the United States would become in
VOWED. he did not consider it the part
of wisdom to be unprepared.
Depew on Expansion.
Mr.. Depew spoke Of the policy of ex-
parsiOn. and Mr.. Patterson inquired
whether he meant that further aggran-
dizement through conquest or purchase
of foreign territory would be the pro-
gramme of this government
I do not think we Will ever see the
time when we Will need more territory"
said Mr.. Depew, "but 1 do think we
will get a merchant marine some time
and / mean that we win want a navy
big enough to protect it. / means that
I hope Secretary Hays programme for
an open door in China viii continue to
be a policy of this government. and that
we should have navy big enough to
enforce it"
Depew on Expansion.
Mr.. Depew predicted that in the end
Mr.. Chamberlain would succeed in the
programme laid out by him in Great
Britain. Other European, nations would
be found taking steps TO protect them
serves against us, and a navy would be
needed. He said that. whichever side
was victorious in the eastern war, the
United States must be consulted and
tins country would insist on having her
interests considered before China could
be divided up. \ great navy would
be necessary at such a time.
Replying to Mr.. Patterson. he said
he did not think it would be necessary
70 so to war to maintain our interests
in the Orient. why are the other
powers now accepting a very unpopular
note from us2' he asked
Mr.. Patterson called attention to the
report that the note TO Russia and
Japan had been melted by Germany
Alliance Hinted At.
Mr.. Nelson replied to Mr. Patterson's
questions concerning our naval influ-
ence in the east, saying that, with this
country Great Britain and Japan all
united in support of an open door in
emma. there was no danger of the dis
memberment of China. All. too. were
hostile to the absorption of Manchuria
He did not believe there was any formal
alliance, only mutually of interest.
Mr. Hale protested that this debate
was extraneOus. Il do not want the
statement of the senator from Minneso-
Ia to so unchallenged." he said. 7 do
not agree that there is today any such
common interest between the United
States. Great Britain and Japan. on the
one side. against Russia. France and
other powers, as his statement implies
Our attitude is one of neutrality. and
80 declared by our state department.
Hale Was Vehement.
The statement that we have a com
mon interest with Japan and Great
Britain as to Manchuria / can't let go
without a statement. We are not
against Japan, nor must il be said that
all our interests are with her and
against Russia and other continental
European powers" He said that if
Japan should find herself successful in
her present war the United States
would find herself in more danger in
commercial matters from that ambi-
tious power thar any other. He (Hale)
considered the Oriental trade as of COM
paratively little Importance. II we had
not been involved with the predatory
nations in invading China, even the
protected
our interests in China. He was not liz
favor of any policy that involved us
in the expense, in the enormous wick
edness of these wars so far away from
our shores.
Hay Had a Revelation.
Resuming his speech. Mr.. Depew de-
MED that the Hay note had been in
spired by Germany. He spoke of il as
q revelation and said thar tho Dor,,ey-
News must have direct MaTconi COM
munication with the palace at Potsdam.
Mr.. Patterson replied that the state
ment had been carried by the Associ-
ated Press. as Mr.. Depew should have
known. if general reader of the news
papers.
Continuing, Mr.. Depew said that Mr.
Nelson openly had expressed his par
TALLY for Japan, while Mr.. Hale al
most as plainly had indicated his lean
ing toward Russia. As for Mr. Patter-
son, he had manifested the usual Dem
Ocratic tendency toward expediencv bv
standing ready TO take ADVANTAGE of
the situation. whichever side might
win. He agreed with Mr. Hale as 10
the wisdom of Mr.. HaIe's attitude.
but" he said. the fact remains that
every man. woman and child in the
United States is lined upon one side or
the other, as they are whenever there
is a fight He added that the presi-
dents proclamation announces our Of
fetal attitude. but said that behind that
we can say what we please as individ-
uals.
Defended Roosevelt.
Mr.. Depew defended President Roose-
Welt against the charge of impetuosity
and rccl0lessness. saying that il he haS
had the disposition TO make trouble