The news & observer. [volume] (Raleigh, N.C.) 1894-current, 1904-02-04
"STEALS," SAYS BEN
Lodge and EIkins Support Bailey in
Opposition to Government Aid,
While Hall, Allison, CockreII,
Spooner, McComas and
Others are Against
Him.
(By the Associated PressA

Washington, d. c., Feb. 3.-After al
most allowing the amendment to the Ur-
gent Deficiency Appropriation Bill, pro-
viding for loan Of $4,600,O0C to the ST.
Louis Exposition to go through without
any discussion whatever, the Senate to
Gay changed its tactics just as the vote
was about to be taken and entered upon
a debate on the loan provision which con-
tinued for about four hours and which
was still in progress when the Senate
adjourned fer the day.
The debate was precipitated by point
of order made against the amendment by
Mr.. Bailey who supported his point with
a speech based ON the theory that the
national government was not, AS such,
concerned with the success or failure OF
any exposition. He was supported by Mr..
Lodge and Mr.. Elkins, while speeches
were made in support of the amendment
by Messrs. Hale, Allison, Cockrell, Spoon
er, McComas and others.
Mr.. Tillman said he wanted to say some
thing on this loan or gift" the latter
he thought, as it was not likely that the
government would ever get anything
back In the course of his remarks he
said South Carolina had a share OF tle
steal that had been secured by other
cities and he had helped TO get it. What
he meant was that this expenditure OF
money was unlawful and unconstitu-
tional.
Mr.. Spooner remarked that the Sera-
tor from South Carolina had put himself
on record as participating in a steal.
What / mean" declared Mr. Tillmap,
lis that when Congress takes money from
the people and gives it away for exposi-
tiCns it amounts to a steal, and what l
went to know is how far We are to go
and how much longer We arc to nartici-
pate in -.
Here Mr.. Tillman hesitated.
Steals" interjected MIR. Spo0ner.
Yes, steals" said Mr.. Tillman def
antly.
Mr.. Bacon said that as he intended to
vote for the amendment he did not want
the impression to go out that it was II;
the wrong. He thought the aprropria
tion proper one. In reply to a question
from MI. Bailey he said that abstractly
he did not endorse the principle, and that
if the practice of giving aid to exposi-
tions was now being initiated he would
oppose the practice. But in view Of what
had been done IN the past he considered
it not out Of place to mako the apprc-
prlation.
Mr.. Elkins suggested that better SC
curity should be given than the amend
ment requires and madc an argument for
what he called business methoGs. He
called attention to the fact that there is
an imminent possibility of a deficit Of
SAC GOO, 900 in the treasury. Where is
the money coming from? Are we going 70
take it from the Rivers and Barbor7".
Lc asked.
Mr. Cockrell said there could be little
doubt that the money would be refunded
as the provision gives a lien Oh the en-
tire proceeds. 81 want it distinctly ".
dcrstood." he said, "that this is not
a gift, but loan, which l believe will
be returned"
Mr.. Bailey quoted Mr.. Tillman as hay
ing asked where the practice of Civ
ing aid to such institutions would stop
and replying said like the brook it would
go on forever
He also referred to the fact that not
withstandng MT. TilIman's Impotence
with the amendment, he intended voting
for 1T because OF the aid that the Charles
ton Exposition had received of Congress.
Mr.. Tillman made an explanation OF the
assistance given. to Charleston He also
referred with evident feeling to Mr.. Bai-
ieys reference to his cwn attitude. saying
tfat the latter had characterized the ap.
preparation as "a steal"
Mr. Bailey disclaimed any intention tic
sreak OF the appropriation so harshly
/ don't go so far" he said, 'I con-
slider 1t misappropriation.'
Mr.. Lodge called attention to the plea
Tor economy on account of the condition
| OF the treasury Some Senator's might
say we need no more battieships. but he
did not agree, for they are necessary to
maintain peace on this hcmisnbero anc
to support the Monroe Doctrine. when.
! therefore. we are asked to econcmiza in
that direction and to give sums like this
there is a serious contradiction.
| Mr.. German replied "Can II no ,. bo
asked that the conduct of financial az.
fairs of the country has been ~ e,,cb :,
character that we arc to be eston,od
from giving the necessary aid r. ~
position TO which all the world is loo1,..r.
forward as the greatest event sine, ,e-e3
Can it be that such condition as tb;e
exists without measures being tako,, -
remedy it by the party in pov,er o. ~,
said that all these great ports # the
country needed better harhors ara aa,-a'I
| il the commercial interests wora ~ -
lhampered and checked by the stand :, =