The daily morning journal and courier., 1904-07-23
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John F. SayerS5 4zl Cedar Stfeet.
 Witness is a saloonkeeper at the cor ner of Cedar and Putnam street. He has been a member of the board of al- dermen for two years and is on the. democratic state central committee. Witness has been acquainted with Com missioner Ullman two days and knew Jacob B. Ullman slightly when he Ghe Witness) was on the light committee. Attorney Fitzgerald examined his cli- ent and brought out the fact that wit ness had never complained about Off, cer StoWell, nor had he ever done any thing to get him transferred Witness had never received any money from any one for any caucus or primary. Wit ness said that all MT. Webb's state- ments were entirely false. Witness had never done anything to assist the republican party.
 The next witness called was Thomas H. Newbold, who is registered in the Twelfth ward for primaries. His home is now in the Eleventh ward. Witness was asked by Chairman Harrison what he knew about the efficiency of the department. Witness only knew about what happened at the caucus in the Twlefth ward in March. There was plenty of policemen there. Wit ness took place by table. After the vote for chairman witness was ordered to leave the table After being ordered to move witness refused and several officers then grabbed hold of him and started to move him to the door. They finally released their hold.
 4flf1 oI LolI Io% sbox being stuffed: an argument which he had with Chairman Gierding and his protesting in a loud tone of voice against all these things, and also against the profane language, and also the fact that number of democrats were allowed to vote.
 The testimony of this witness was the same as that he had already testified to before the republican town conventions s committee on credentials, and also be- fore a similar committee before the state convention, which has already been published. On cross examination by Attorney Wolfe witness said, that he was not registered: also in the Tenth ward, for the primaries.
 Dean Rogers read part of statement from William A. Warner of the Twelfth ward concerning the same caucus as Mi. Newbold testified to, and this state ment was corroborative to the evidence given by MT. Newbold.
 MT. NewboId in concluding his testi- mony said that there were at least two men present at the caucus who were democrats. Witness was sure they were democrats. because they had told him SO. One Of them asked him (the witness) is he had any money, and he told him to go to the person that got him there, for his pay. The witness was asked if. from personal observation he had concluded that the police de- partment is political machine, and he replied emphaticaIly s'Yes, sir.''
 Witness was asked if he thought MT. Isbell would make a good policeman, and witness said. Yes, sir; a corking good one" Witness said, however, that he thought that MT. Isbell would not care to be a member under the present administration. Witness had been told by two policemen that the department was being used for a political machine, but although he was subjected to a, severe ross-exanlination by Attorney Wolfe, who attempted to find out the names of these officers, the witness re- ! fused to give their names to anybody, saying that he did not propose to have. them lose their positions through their names being diyulged.
 MT. Newbold was on the stand until 8E3O o'clock, at which time the meeting was adjourned until 10 o'clock next Monday morning, when there will prob-l ably be an all day session, and may be ,an evening session.
 " It is thought that the evidence will sbe finished next week.
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