The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1904-05-22
DETECTIVE. REED GIVES
DETAILS OF HIS WORK
ON THE SCHAFER CASE
Much Interest Taken in His Story
of the Work, Especially His
Relations with Mcdonald.
THE GUILT OF COSNER
Mcdonald Believed in 1t Because
Cosner Wore New Shoes the
Morning After the Murder.
STORIES OF THE ACCUSED
They Varied Widely at Times, as
Narrated by the Detective-Mc-
Donald Wanted Money.
THE GUILT. OF COSNER
STORIES OF THE ACCUSED
,ecial to the IndianapoIis journal.

Special TO the Indianapolis Journal.
BEDFORD. Ind, May 21.-Detective Reed,
who went on the stand Friday afternoon at
$3.50. did not finish his evidence until near
noon to-day, when the cross-examnation
by Attorney Palmer was begun and con-
tinued until 2:45 this afternoon. A great
crowd heard him. manifesting great inter
est as he detailed his movements looking to
the solution of the mystery involved in the
murder of Sarah Schafer, but aside from
few minor details of his personal work he
told but little that had not been heard from
the witnesses who had preceded him.
His testimony embraced most OF the testi-
mony directly bearing on the case that has
been given by other witnesses. given at
greater length and with more attention to
detail. He detailed fully the arrest, the
trip with Mcdonald to the alley and the
cab shed at / o'clock in the morning: of
taking Mcdonald to Jeffersonville and of
the refusal OF the warden of the Reforma-
tory to permit him TO have an interview
with Mcdonald there, after he had prom
ised ESQ Reed said) to do so, and of accom-
panying Sheriff Smith with the prisoner
from Jeffersonville to Bloomington. In re-
ply to a question by Mr. Palmer, Mr.. Reed
said the reason Tor the prisoners removal
from Jeffersonvile was that ne might have
access to him. He told of the various stories
Dy Mcdonald, who several times sent for
him, and of the prisoners suspicious actions
at various times and of his fear of a mob
when first taken TO Bloomington. One
time, he said, Mcdonald sent him n tele-
phone message TO come to Bloomington.
Prisoner told him on this occasion that
the load was too heavy for him and he con-
Sidered he had a guilty knowledge of the
murder former statements
made by him were false. He told about
having worked in the rear of JohnsonS s
boarding house several days and of hav-
ing difticulty with the cook, who threatened
to scald him for getting water at the els
tern. He denied knowing Miss Schafer and
said he never saw her.
DID NOT SEE MISS SCHAFER.
In answer to a question if he ever saw
Miss Schafer at Johnson's boarding house
white working in the rear of the premises
the accused told him: mo. she hadn't got
there yet
To a question if he was not in the vicn-
ity of Seventeenth and streets some
three days prior to his arrest Mcdonald
replied: Did Lawrence. Cosner say that?''
and Reed refused to discuss the matter.
is no friend Of mine" He gave witness,
as one reason for believing Lawrence Cos
ner committed the crime, the fact that
morning and the reason he had given Nc
Donald for having them on was that there
blood on the old ones. Cosner had
told him also. how fond Miss Schafer was
of his little boy, and because of this Co.'S
ner thought a great deal of Miss Schafer.
He also said he believed that Cosner owned
an interest in the cab shed and was as
familiar with the surroundings he (the
prisoner) was. He told witness II Cosner
and witness did not stick him for this
he would kill them both.
1nXf i'm a
noon prior to the preliminary hearing. He
asked If he had any further statements
to make regarding his movements on JAM
Il, and said he got up at 5:3O, got his own
breakfast and went to the coal yard to un-
load some cars. He left home at $50 and
walked down the Southern Indiana tracks
to Cosner's office, where he remained until
10 o'clock. He went TO Fishers for dinner
and told his wife he was going to jackson
county to work, and If she was not at
his home by 1890 she would not see him
again for some time. He went home and
wrote a note and placed it on window sill
of his home where she might see IL. lie
then returned to Fishers to see if his wife
intended to return home, and then went 10
Cosner's coal office.
Witness asked Mcdonald particularly re-
garding statements made to Lawrence Cos
ner the morning following the murder. The
prisoner said the time the murder was dis
cussed later than Cosner had stated.
He said little Kapan boy informed him
who had been murdered. He denied telling
Cosner he saw two men across the street
frt m the fatal alley. He stated he had had
considerable trouble with his wife, and
did not blame her much for leaving him,
he drank some at times.
REED HESITATED.
Mr.. Reed. in giving his testimony. rarely
replied promptly to a question. This was
especially true in cross-examination, when
he would frequently hesitate for fully half
a minute as If to be very sure of his an
swers before he made them. The cross-ex-
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