The news & observer. [volume] (Raleigh, N.C.) 1894-current, 1903-06-02

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said l am thinking of applying for IL
cense in February. I said / have a few
books that will lend you if you want
them and he said all right l might call
on you. / asked him if he had ever read
law, and he said he had been praeticing
law down there a little bit before the
magistrates court, and I asked HIM il
he ever received any fee, and he said
yes, and l asked him if ne didn't know it
was against the law, or that it was I'M
lawful and he said yes That is all / re-
member"
discrimination: "This matter was
discussed at Mrs Roberts table. That
was the same day as Mr.. Simms statement
appeared in the paper, as near as 1 re-
member. He said Mr.. Simms was a -,.f,
and that he had been bribed I did not
hear him say that it did not occur that
way as he saw it. He told what he saw.
He said he saw no alteration. l was
somewhat provoked a lat he said about
Mr. Simms. He said he didn't make any
fees. but when they were ouered to him,
ne took them I have always heard that
was against the law
DIR. ]. d. WHITAKER.
Direct examination: 81 am dentist.
and live here in Raleigh born here about
twenty-five years ago. / was boarding at
Mrs Roberts the day of the homicide
1t the same time that Mr.. Simpson was
there. | heard him talking about it. He
aid he was standing in front of the Var
borough House on the afternoon of the
21st of February, ard his attention was
called by a pistol shot he turned and he
first saw Mr.. Skinner half way between
the curbing of the street and the street
car track. He then saw Mr. Haywood
Just as the second shot was fired and he
noticed Mr.. Skinner was nearly to the
street car track then | don't think he
said anything about the position of his
back. / remember he said he turned at
the first shot. / heard hnn say he was
coming. back if he had to pay his own
way. The first time / ever heard that
Mr. Simpson claimed to have seen any
thing before the first shot was during the
March term of court. / saw him on the
train. and then he said he saw Mr.. Hay
wood as he fired the first shot, and he
said Mr.. Skinner was in the same pcsi
ton. / heard the discussion about Nj .
Simms. / was not there during the first
part of it, and he used the expression
that he would swear point blang that no
blow was struck. And the question was
asked him where was Mr.. Skinner when
he first saw him, and he said nearly half
way between the curbing and the street
car track He said after he couldn't swear
there was no alteration, although mn
mediately before that he said, I viii
swear point blank that there was no blow
struck
JOHN G. ALLEN.
Direct examination: "I live in Raleigh
am a telegraph operator Am twenty-fivc
years old. l was boarding at Mrs Roberts
at the time of this homicide, at the Same
time Mr.. Simpson was there. / heard him
make a statement in regard to this case
He said that he was standing in front
of the Marlborough House with his back
this way. and that after the first shot
was fired that attracted his attention,
and he turned. That was just about
supper time, and soon after that the sup
GER bell rang. | thing that was on We'd
nesday evening after the Saturday on
which the tragedy occurred. Later on
some one was talking about the Simms
statement, and he said at that time that
he would swear there was no fight; that
if Bob Simms said there was a fight, that
he was telling something that wasn't So
[ turned to him at that Time and told
him that he had stated to me that he
was standing with his back toward the
postoffice when the first shot was fired
and it was that that attracted his atten-
ton, and if that was So how could he
have seen the fight if there had been any,
and to that .-e made no reply, as ! re
member. He talked about it several
times, and speaking about coming back
here, some one asked him if his railroad
fare would be paid, and he said he didn't
care, that he would come back, II he hal
to pay his own expenses"
Cross-examination: Il don't know that
he knew either Mr.. Haywood or Mr.. Skin
ner / cannot say that he had or had
not any interest in either of them. lad
several conversations with him on the
subject, but this particular conversation
was on the evening 0 fthe twenty-fifth. !
couldn't say whether it was the first day
after the statement appeared in the pa.
pers. He spoke quite strongly about it.
did not hear all of Mr.. Forts testimony
and don't know whether that was the
same conversation that he referred to OF
not. ! couldn't say who was present
when the conversation was first brought
up between Mr.. Simpson and myself.
there might have been some others, and
there might not, we were at the table
early. l read Mr.. Simpsons statement IN
the paper the other day"
T. b. MATTHEWS.
Direct examination: II was boarding
at Mrs. Roberts last February / heard
part of the conversation with Represen-
tative Simpson. l think he said he had
his back turned to the postofice. lie
said the first thing he heard was a PTS
toll shot and he turned around. / think
he said he saw Mr.. Skinner between the
car track and the sidewalk"
Cross-examination: ''He said he was in
front of the Marlborough House in front
of the main entrance, l understood il
that way but am not sure about it.
don't know whether he said at the main