The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1903-02-10

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Or. Hawthorne proceeded. He referred
to the sermon by DR.. Kerr on the func-
tons OF the pulpit, which sermon he de.
clared promulgated principle which was
untenable. He went on to discuss In de-
tall this subject, which has beon pretty
thoroughly threshed out heretofore The
question OF whether or not tho unior
should reconsider It's previous action
was ne said. q most vital ono Not an-
other organization OF similar chara ter
on the American continent had taken
such a position He recognized that It
was unpl easant to come Int conflict with
evl! ooers--that It was more agreeaLle, to
Keep out OF these th,ngs-but Il had 10
be DONE .I hive bee nso abused" he do
clarred, that at times hardly feel that I
nave sound spot on my body. We are
now at a. great crisis In the state. The
legislature Is about to consider temper
ance Legislation, which Ia OF vast I'M.
portance. When we arc called upon to
exert our Influence In favor OF It we must
say no, we can do nothing beg OF you
of'ethren. In Gods name, not to take such
q position as this
LONG DEBATE.
AS soon as DR.. Hawthorne took his seat
half-dozen others arose. The Ray. NJ
Ashby Jones gained the floor and proceed.
ed to oppose reconsideration Of the reso-
lutions He said that while he agreed with
Or. hawthorne with reference t. the
functions OF the ministry. and SO on, he
lelt That tho union was not the place for
discussion OF all sorts. n It was desired
70 nave a ministerial association Tor civic
reform, then one could be formed But
tne objects OF the present union-devotion
ana eilowshlp-shoud be preserved. It
M, mru.u pe az the more forceful II the
y,nt,~
DR.. II. e. johnson, Of tho Laurel.
street Methodist Church. favored recon.
siderauon. and protested vigorously
against mo Kerr resolution. He de.
clared that never before In his life had
ne heard OF such thing. He was puz.
zIea 20 Know why the ministers OF Rich.
mond should be restricted while those N
other cities enjoyed liberty The Rev.
l. S. Boyles, followed with a suggestie n
that there be appointed strong Exec,,.
tive Committee to which might be re.
ferrcd any matter coming up for discus
sion. In this way the topics for debate
would be sIfted before they got to tho
same mind Flo said there were two
extreme views neither Of which was tho
right one. and that there should ke
some middle ground, The committee
would be happy solution. The Kerr
resolution had shown itself to be I'm
practica BILE, because It stirred up tho
very thing It was designed to prevent.
1t would continue to do 50.
REMARKABLE ASSERTION.
The statement made by the Rev. VIII
liam 8. Campbell. secretary of the Sun
day Observance League. was frank al
most to harshness. Mr. Campbell sa
1t was no use discussing theories; the
tions and DO done with It. It was fact
beyond dispute that instead Of 10 tor
Ing movements Of reform the conference
tended to kill them The ministers could
not agree upon tho questions brought
before them. and when the very pastors
themselves were divided the lnymen
would do nothing.
This union he declared emphatically.
ibid more to hinder and obstruct and
harm the work OF the Sunday Obscrv-
awe League than anything else" afr.
Campbell, went on to say that he fa-
vored the Kerr resolution, but that II It
had to be reconsidered he wished to Of
fer substitute. which he read and
which met the approval. OF DR.. Haw-
thorne.
HAwTHoRNE-KERR
Just Mt this point the Rev. W. W.
Sisk. Of Manchester. secured the floor.
He did 1t In funny way. The chair
in which Mr.. ssk was seated gave way
and precipated him full length. The
made, were much concerned for his
safety. and assisted him to arise Mr..
Sisk Is q heavy man. and in view OF his
weighty utterances while he held the
floor DR.. Harmon moved that ne be al
lowed three chairs instead OF one. The
Manchester pastor was safely Installed
| again, however. before the motion could
be put to the house.
Several other ministers proceeded to
| speak upon the question OF reconsidera-
| ton. DR.. Kerr arose to mako a per-
| sonal statement, to the effect that he
| had been altogether misunderstood by
| DR.. Hawthorne. He had never said in
a sermon that ministers should not dis
cuss moral questions because they were
involved in politics. What no did say
| was Just the opposite. The exact Ian
| guage which he used and which was
quoted In the daily papers OF Richmond
was as follows:
"The Church has everything to do
/ with morals. and must eNerlastngly
preach the moral code OF Christ But
il political party be organized. or gov
ernment measure adopted for moral
reform. the ministers have nothing to
do with the party or proposed lesisla-
ton"
"But. Dr.. Kerr" said DR.. Hawthorne.
| starting up to reply. ~ read"
IT think Dr. Hawthorne should accept
Or. Kerr's statement" said DR.. W. T.
Derleux 'FIe Is out OF order. DR..
| Kerr has explained. II DR.. Hawthorne
read the report otherwise It was the
fault OF the report"
The chair sustained Dr.. Derleux.
! After some further discussion by the
Rev. Carey H. Morgan, who opposed re-
consideration. and, others. the vote was
taken, and the resolution was resolution
was Observation-Disclosures. %: noes. is.
THE SUBSTITUTE.
The substitute by the Rev, w. 8.
Campbell, was thereupon offered. and
seconded. Dr. Cecil and DR.. Kerr OPP
posed it, while DR. Hawthorne express
ed his approval. An effort was made
by Dr.. Fl. D. Johnson, Rev. w. A. COOP.
err and others to amend 1t. but witnou,
effect There was some parliamee,nta,T'y r.
confusion here. and the chair fina y y
ruled that an amendment vas mo-
In, order. The paper was thereupo!
adopted by a vote Of 26 to H. II was as
resolved, That the Business CON
/, mittee Of the Union be Increased N nun
her so az to be composed Of one rep
resenta tive from each denomination rep
T,ot ali papers propositions. o.