The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1903-09-30


In his mind that some Of It went to
Councilmen.
II always thought Captain Pzzini en-
ployed a lot of them to help him. though
did not know this OF my own knowl-
edge.
Made No Headway.
when we were operating as the Boyd
Newton syndicate I found we were maxi
ing no Roadway. and some one said.
You had better get Captain Pizzini IN
the game
when we got him in. the thing worked
little better and there were many
gradual changes of front.
MIR. Gould has said that he will not
permit the spending Of dollar Of money
here, and that he will not ask for any
thing nut a square deal"
Witness had never known Of any at
tempt to "hold up or "blackmail" his
company, and no one had ever directly
said to him that his company would SUI
fer II 1t did not make terms with Coun-
cilmen
Mr.. sitterding was here excused. and
Mr.. 8. Dabney Crenshaw. a member OF
the late Boyd-Newton syndicate, was
sworn.
He told how this syndicate had been
organized to fight for the street car
1ranCnlSe IN ttlCUluOnu, tHcU dpOul " GA
pIre, and how, later It had been dis
solved because the members thought such
franchise as those obtainable from the
Council would not be desirable or profita-
| BILE.
He said the Williams syndicate had
| wanted to come in. and had made his
| concern proposition. which had for its
ultimate object the consolidation of the
! two companies. but 1t had been declined
| by the Boyd Newton syndicate. Witness
denied that he had been present in New
| York with Captain Pizzini and others.
| when the Virginia Conduit Company had
been paid by the Fisher people, and
| that he had received any money on ba-
| half of the Boyd Newton syndicate.
| Captain A. B. Guigon. counsel for the
| Passenger and Power Company now took
| the stand. and was examined by MT. Pol
! lard.
He testified first as to the fight for the
| franchise of his company, and went into
many preliminaries on the. subtest.
Suggested by jenkins.
Coming to the question Of employing
| workers for the franchise fight. witness
| said Mr.. w. +. Jenkins had mentioned
Messrs. Saunders and Manning. and he
| thought Mr.. Writ e. Taylor as gentlemen
! whose services would be desirable IN the
| matter He was not sure about Mr.. ray
! lor's name having been mentioned. Wit
| ness had had nothing to do with the affair
| further than to suggest the matter to
Major Martin.
| He did not know of his own knowl-
edge of the spending of money, and did
! not know that any of the gentlemen sug-
gested by Mr.. Jenkins had gotten any
thing,
When the Main Street fight came up
witness thought there had been changes
Of views from his company to the Trac-
t!on people, but he was sure 1t had re-
suited from strong public pressure. Wit
ness had no reason to believe there had
been any improper influences upon Coun-
cilmen to cause them to change their
views
He said Councilman Gibson had failed
OF denomination and was an applicant for
the position of claim agent of the Pas
senger and Power Company. He had de-
clined to help him, because he thought
the position required special kind of
ability. which he did not think Mr.. Glib
sor possessed. He thought this was used
against his company In Its fight for a
| transfer system by some of Mr.. Gibson's
/, friends.
Witness thought the present owners of
the road were of opinion that the old
management had spent money In fran
| CIllSe |lb HlS,. put he WAS sure tIllS WAS
not the policy of the present owners,
He had heard rumors and suggestions
| Of Councllmen desiring to borrow money
| from the company, but 1t was merely
hearsay, and he decline dto testify as to
| mere rumors.
Mr., Stterding Recalled,
Captain Gulgon was excused and Mr..
| sitterding recalled, and asked II he had
been approached by any Councilman with
| the request for the loan of money
| Eyes, sir" was the quick reply "Mr,
| Morgan Mills came and asked a loan Of
| $1,000 to buy his new business, 1t was
| after the franchise was granted He did
| not set the money. and ] could not say
| that this changed his attitude toward us
lie made no suggestion Of doing anything
| In return. 1t was purely a business propo.
| slt!on.
'Mr West wanted me to help him out
| about six months ago. but did not do It.
We did not have the money to spare
| There We're no matters of tho company
pending AT that time and no sugges Ion was
| made OF return heinz made In any way
| by Mr.. West, EXCEPT to repay the loan.
| l do not think Mr., West had any Interior
| motives In the matter, but simply needed
| the money.
| "When give q Councilman more money
| to do Job of work than give any one
| else" said the witness In retiring, II
tell you It will be showing In August"
! At 1880 o'clock tho committee rose to
meet again on Friday night. when Major
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