The sun., 1903-10-20
c. F. MURPHY BEGINS TO TALK
INSISTS THAT ODEI.L AND DEV-
ERY DID MEET.

81 Don't Make Mistakes" He Says. and
He Adds Some Remarks That Stray
Far From His Usual Vein Of silence
He Expects TO Garry brooklyn.
Il don't make mistakes" said Charles
F. Murphy yesterday in tone as em-
phatic as the Iammany leader ever per-
mits himself TO use Mr.. Murphy had been
asked about his statement OF the night
before that Devery and Gov. Odell had
been together for two hours at the Fifth
Avenue Hotel last Thursday night, charge
which both the Governor and Mr.. Devery
had denied fatty
yes, said it," said Mr.. Murphy. And
can make good when want to. They did
meet. am not surprised that they both
deny it. Odell denied, didn't he. that he
had come down from Albany and seen
Commissioner Hawkes. when he wanted
to steal Pier "A, North River? And they
proved that he had been here, didn't they7
suppose Odell would have nerve enough
to deny that lie was in the city that day
He had experience enough as a lobbyist at
Albany before he was elected Governor to
teach him to deny everything until 1t was
proved.
Il notice some stories in the newspapers
thatyrammany has raised a campaign fund
OF 500 600 in the r I'd Light district. Well,
know of but one man in New York who
could do that. Hisname is Devery. He is
the man that the Governor took counsel
with. 1t may not have been politics that
they talked about. They may have busi-
ness of a personal nature. do not pretend
to know what goes on between them. But
IL such a sum was collected in that district,
il must have been with the aid and assist
ance of Gen. Francis " Greene, the incor-
ruprible Police Commissioner, who, they
saw. shook down the asphalt trust, now
defunct.
IF Devery collected such fund he prob
ably acted as Greene's agent. Perhaps
that is what Devery and the Governor
talked about. Probably Devery handed
over TO Odell $1OO,Oc of the fund, although
find it hard to believe that Devery would
divide even with such good BUSINESS man
as the Governor has shown himself to be;
IF such fund was collected by anybody,
I want to say that it Is an admission by
Gen. Greene that the red lights are shining
under his adm ust.atlon OF the Police De-
partmert and that they are enjoying some
ones protection probably his.
Mr.. Murphy WEE asked if he could supply
any additional corroboIative details Of
the meetn g.
60 ask Odell for the details said he.
Mr. MurI by WAS again remi ded that
the Govern or had Ger led the charge. He
was asked If he might :ot. through the
acceItar ce Of hearsay evideI ce. be mis-
taken this time.
Il dou't mafe mistakes snarred MIR.
Nun ny. Il celi rove it If l have to. !
kay ia
Mr.. Murphy then switched to the dis
cussion Of the dill er which TammaI,y
alleged that R. Fulton Cutting gave to
Sci ator Flatt once. "Cuttii < was there,
WASH. hep" asked Mr. Murphy. And if he
didntlay for it, who did,
Mr.. Mt r. hy was ~ i lively in 81 init yes
te,day al d ircli' cd 10 be cert troversial.
When he was asked about the regis rat ion
again he said at is the best regis' ration
I ever krew for The Democratic parry.
Wher the first two days showed a Light reg
Isl re ion the Rep LlicaI 3 were sayil that
II il dicat ed a dsili eres' ID disgls amorg
Democrats. Then, wheT il turn 8 out TO be
big in the total, they switch around al d
say hat the Democrats are soirg 10 vote
for Low. They're not goirh 10 do any
ch hirg. shall be very much sur-
prised if we do rot carry the whole five
boroughs for Mcclellan. l inch de Brook
lyn in this, in site of all that has beer said
about the silra' ion over there
Some one spoke up and recalled to Mr..
Murphy that year ago he had predicted
for Coer a plurality that seemed absurd
but which was met by the actuality.'
Yes. and I'm Just as crazy this year"
said Mr. Murrhv. 1T will be another
Co er vote for McC e an
Mr.. Murphy brought up the subject of
the campaign furd which Tannsny is
supposed to have this year, various esti-
mated according to the imagination of the
specu' ator.
I'VE don't need money this year" said
Mr.. Murphy. THE people are with us to
a finish
DEvFRY TALKS BACK AGAIN.
Mr.. Murphys talk made Deverv talk
Il can prove that he is liar, said Big Bill,
-by showing just where was all Thursday
and who was with me, and if my statement
isn't enough these others will c>rrobor te
me. Understand. this story OF my meeting
Odell is an invent or of Murphy. and it
ought to be stamp ed lie right now, for
that s what it is ] don't believ e anybody
ever told Murphy such thing. It's my be-
lief that he made II up and when he found
Il made a lot of talk decided he'd have to
stick to it.
William j. Ryar, ore of Deverys cam
paig1' ST eakers. said last rirht:
"I was with Devcrv or Thursday light
from the time he left his ho' se at O'Clock
,r'l he vert back there al went 10 bed
He ever saw Cdell or arv ore else but
dis' rict leaders in that time and rever
or ce went east Of Sever tn avert tie. Almost
every mirute Of the 'ine we srent in the
rooms of the Deverv Assc cieticn.'