The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1903-02-10

--.--ttH, upon assuming his Office,
upon himself the added duties
- and responsibilities OF the new
ldon To maintain proper disci-
rs and order in the church we deem
-.osotntely necessary; and in assert
- this rule we do not consider that
are infringing in the least degree
pch the individual rights of the cit
Our position is that a man hav-
49, accepted the honors and obiga-
lis OF ecclesiastical Office in the
v,a,sn.ffsen cannot properly. Of his own
.itioh, make those hOnOrs subordi-
s 10 or even coordinate with new
ss Of entirely different character: we
I'D shat unless he is willing to cOun-
81, with and obtain the consent Of his
fellow laborers and presiding officers
the priesthood. he should be re-
sasea from All obligations associated
Tin the latter before accepting any
new position
Thatcher Wouldn't Sign.
here were appended to this docu-
1tent the names of the first presidency,
u the apostles with the exception of
apostle Lund. who was then in Eng
iand). o. the first seven presidents of
me seventies. and so on, twenty-four
names in all. representing the
authorities OF the church. Apostle
hatcher refused to join in
the manifesto. and his name was
dropped out of the list Of apostles to
De sustained at the April conference of
1850 He was dropped from the quorum
" the twelve apostles at the October
conference of that same year.
apostle George Q. Cannon said. in de-
lending the course of the church au-
When respect and honor WiIford
woodruff I bow to God; he has chosen
him- If / listen to MILFORD
woodruff If look to him to see how
the spirit Of God moves upon him; If /
ask his counsel and take it, II is be-
cause God has commanded me. God
has given him the keys of authority.
Let anybody try il and see what effect
theiT action would have. When Joseph
r Smith obeys MILFORD Woodruff he
docs IL upon the same principle. We
reverence him as the prophet of God,
and as our leader. We listen to him
and are guided by his slightest wish.
II IS because we know that he is the
servant OF God, chosen by the Almighty
10 I'LL that place, and that he holds the
Keys of the priesthood to this genera
ton On the earth at the present time
can say truthfully that we strive TO
consult his slightest wish. and honor
him in his position, because we know
that God has chosen him. And VINO are
we that we should Withstand Godi Who
are we that we should question that
which God reveals. Does this sacrifice
our Independence? Not in the least
And these twelve apostles are in pre-
ciseiy the same position. When they
accept the counsel of the first presi-
dency. they do it because they believe
the first presidency to be chosen of
God. They may have different views
on many things; but when the first
presidency gives counsel every man
that has the spirit OF God accepts that
counsel. "-( Reported by the Deseret
News. Oct. 4, 1850 "a
Woodruff on Thatcher.
At the same conference President
Woodruff said:
My brethren and sisters, there is
something pressing upon my mind that
want to say. We have arrived at the
point here with regard to circumstances
that IL is my duty TO take up as the
president of the church. The first pres
idency and twelve apostles were never
more united as q body than they are
today We believe together we
work together. we pray together and
we believe in each other because we
are all trying 10 do the will of God
This is the case with all of us. with one
exception. That exception is Brother
Noses Thatcf0 Now 1 want to
y that nejlherN Moses Thatcher. nor
ny othsf nan onNthe face OF the earth
= ran 7s4sfffd IN the ~6T-af this church.
/ We have had almost wh4le quorums Of
the apostles that have bean in the road,
and they have had to be imoved out Of
II, because the kingdom Of God cannot
stop for anybody-for Nilford Wood
ruff, for Moses Thatche{ or for any
body else. Unless we York with the
saints Of God. with thd priesthood Of
God. and with the Organization of his
church we cannot havet any power or
influence. "-(RepOrted Jba' the Deseret
News. Oct. 8. 1880
At the same conference Apostle Lo-
renzo Snow, at that time president of
the quorum Of the twelve apostles and
afterward president of the church,
said;
Now there is a certain document
which you have heard talked about a
good deal Brother Young and myself
took that document to Brother Thatch-
er. His physical condition was not
very promising and l asked him If 1
should read it to him. He said he pre-
ferred to read it himself. and he read
tread II very deliberately. He said
he did not feel then to approve it alto
gethcr: he wished Il to remain for a
while. We granted him his wish. 3
OF course ii was rather singular There
were appended TO that document the
names OF the first presidency. of the
apostles with the exception of Brother
I4und. who was then in England) of the
frgt seven presidents OF the seventies,
q the patriarchs and of the presiding
bisRopric-twenty-f four names in all
representing the authorities of the
church: but he did not feel inclined. he
said. TO put his name TO the document.
Story About Inspiration.
II an reminded of a little anecdote /
heslrd of Brother Erastus Snow. which
iiiostraies a principle. Brother George
A. Smith was speaking 10 an outside
audience one night and Brother Erastus
fell asleep. When he got through
preaching he elbowed Brother Erastus
and requested him 10 bear his testi-
mcny It was thought that Brother
Erastus had scarcely heard a word !:
but he arose and said: My friends.
every word my brother here has said
is Gods truth Now, why did he say
so? There was q reason for this Why.
ne knew Brother George A. Smith he
had heard him preach hundred times,
{ and he knew that he was a man of in
spiration and would never say any
thing but that was true. Well. think
when a man is so wen acquainted with
the first presidency. with the apostles.
with the bishopric with the presidents
OF the seventies, with the presiding
bishops. he ought 70 have some conf
dence in the positions of these breth-
rem: and II that brother is rather low
in his mind. and does not really feel
confident TO judge in the matter. he
ought to have confidence in his breth-
rem. ''--f Address reported by DeseTet
News, Oct. 5. 1880
Anostle IOhn Henry Smith EXPRESSED