The Montgomery advertiser., 1903-08-26
TESTIMONY OF IMPORTANT WITNESSES
 ON INVESTIGATION OF GRAVEL PIT PURCHASE

o. Di1 Mr. Carter-did he propose to furnish all ties that were necessaryi A. I don't know. sir; I never had any conversation with Mir. Carter. Q. Didn't you read 1t? A. can't tell what that is. that didn't come under my knowledge.
 c. You don't know about that7 A. l don't know about that; wasn't present. Q. What day was this gravel pi tsur- yeyed? A. don't know. Q. Was it surveyed at your request? A. No, sir.
 e. Was it surveyed when MT. Ford made his statement to you? A. I don't know. sir.
 c. Did he bring it to you after making his statement? A. No, sir: I asked him if he had such a survey in his office. and he answered yes.
 o. That he did? A. That he did.
 Q. The statement that you made to MT. Joseph in reference to Carter offer ing Jones and Ford $500 was made after the report of the committed had been adouted by the Council, was it not? A. Yes, sir.
 c. And after the Council had passed an ordinance to buy it? A. Yes. sir.
 MT Mcintyre: Mir. Carr, in this con- versation that you had with Mfr. Ford. did he state whether or not that was a
 
 sir; don't know.
 e. You don't recoliect whether he did or not A. No, sir.
 c. Did he state to you in any subse- uuent conversation, whether or not 1t was excessively high? A. We had no further conversation. I used the expression my self, and felt, say 1t now to the com mittee, that can buy, almost buy, 500 acre plantation, with perhaps a gravel pit on 1t, and sell the plantation after wards-I may have said that.
 Q. Did he ever, in conversation with you, state what his opinion was. as to whether that was a good bargain or a bad bargain? A. No, sir. o. Never did in any conversation give you his opinion as to the value of the pit? A. No, sir; except that evening that we were out there, he pointed out the line of demarkation between the sand gravel and the clay gravel, and which Is very plain from the railroad.
 O. He never gave his opinion as to whether 1t was worth that or not worth that? A. No. sir; he was there with us, and Mayor Joseph will testify to the same thing.
 O. Did you ever ask him? A. Mo- sir; I did not; went and saw for myself and I was convinced after had seen.
 MT. Gunter: Did MT. Ford ever make any statement to you as to the quality of the gravel. whether it could be used or not? A. The clay gravel could.
 Q. He made that statement? A. Yes, sir; think so. am not positive about that, however. saw the gravel; I was positive of that myself. I knew enough Of street grading to know that that was worthless to the city, and so state now.
 Q. MT. Carr, have you told, or ordered MT. Ford to make an examination of any gravel pit? A. Not that know of.
 Q. Since this gravel pit was selected7 A. No, sir.
 Q. If he has made an examination of any other pit at this time, it is not by your order or direction? 4. No, sir: I have no authority to do anything of that kind. am simply a citizen of Mont gomery, and have no authority to ask city of1cials to make any examination
 Q. Mir. Carr, you will have to realize that most of us have the greatest respect for you. at the same time. A. I un- derstand that am here to answer all, and will do So with pleasure.
 Q. Will you please state the conver- sation that you had with Mr. May as you left the room, after the gravel Dit was adopted, wherein you made some statement about a steal being perpetrat- ed, If you did make such a statement? A. I don't know what did say to MT. May-I don't really remember. may oNS NPOA Aly AlA6ii LAOEbS anu LOlC him something. If did tell him any. thing looked him right straight in the face and said it. (The remainder of Mir Carr's testimony dealt with the refusal of the Council to hear him the night the resolution was adopted.) CITY ENGINEER FORD. MT. D. w. Ford-Called as witness, be. ing duly sworn, testified as follows, ir answer to questions propounded by Mir Gunter:
 o. Mr. Ford have you ever requested anybody to buy this Carter gravel pitt A. have not.
 Q. Or have you ever volunteered any information about the Carter gravel pit to any one? A. I have.
 o. I mean to any Alderman? A. ] have.
 Q. Have certain Aldermen also been to you for information? A. They have c. Win you please state any informa- tion that you volunteered and the name of the Aldermen, and where and when, and the information that he wanted, and that you gave, in reference to the Carter gravel pit? A. Please repeat
 o. First the name of these parties that you volunteered information or in refer ence to the Carter gravel pit? A. Mir,
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