New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1903-12-17
LITELY CLOSE OF DEBATE.
"Poo"er Defends and Bailey at
tackS the Cuban Bill.

taxing UP the Cuban reciprocity bill to-day, and
NJ Spooner was Immediately recognized. He
oesah oy remarbing that it was strange that the
senate should find it necessary to spend so much
urle In consideration OF bin which had been so
promptly accepted by the House This attitude he
uec'aFed was inconsistent with the attitude Of
senators who not long ago We're engaged in ac-
cuslhS the whte-faced. patient who then oc-
eupled the Executive Mansion Of Interior motives
IN standing ont against with Spain for the
liberation Of Cuha
nj Spooner spoke OF the varying positions OF the
opponents Of the bill and especially Of the intro
auction cS the Eewlsnds resolution inviting Cuba
TO become part Of the United States deprecat.ng
IL and saying that he hoped il would be postponed
indefinitely, because he said sometimes invitations
are regarded commands He said the Newlands
resolution was in direct opposition to the Teller
resolution Nh Mckinley had put it all in a sen
tence when he said that intervention must be
placed on high ground, and that Cuba not
De demanded indemnity. We could not he
said. do less and nation interfering between a
coIony-owning government and of its colonies
would be permitted by other nations to do so for
the Increase Of its territorial area except In
rare cases. and he believed that excep: FOR the
Teller resolution there would have been concert of
action the part OF the European powers against
the United States in its with Spain
OPPOSED TO ADMITTING CUBA.
For these reasons, ne said he was opposed to the
Newlands measure. Moreover he was opposed to
the admission the privileges Of statehood Of A
people 80 per cent OF whom were unable TO read
and write. He did not want the time to come when
after some Presidential election people would say
Wait till We hear from Cuba " Lets couine our
population so ia race he
said.
Mr. Spooner also replied the charge that the
bill is in the interest of the Sugar Trust refer
ring to the differing motives attributed by the op-
ponents OF the bill 10 the Senators who favor It.
Some OF them" he said. say sincere, but
stupid; others that We able. but dishonest As
10 which of these accuse tons is correct. will
leave them settle with their Democratic col
leagues who support the bill
IN A COLLOQUY WITH Mr. TELLER.
Mr. Spooner referred to the House bill Of the
last session reducing the duty on sugar and spoke
OF the fact that Mr.. Teller had challenged the Re
publican Senators 70 pass it. Notwithstanding It
would have been deadly blow TO the beet sugar
interests He gave his opinion that if Mr. Teller
had believed that the challenge would have been
accepted he would not have made it.
Mr.. Teller admitted such be the case. He did
rot believe the Republican Senators would accept
the bill. because it removed the diferental duty
on refined sugar He said. however. that he would
have kept his word. IT didn't want TO kill the
dinerential," said Mr.. Teller. TT put on the
bill by the House to kill it."
Then" said Mr. Spooner, T have developed
one thing
That tho challenge was bluff" said Mr.. Teller.
taking the words out Of the Wisconsin Senator's
mouth
Then" continued Mr.. spooner. the charges
against US are inconsistent.
Mr. Teller said the influences behind the bill
those not only of the Sugar Trust but those Of the
Executive office.
REsENI's sLUR ON SENATORS
Mr. spooner declared that none of the Senators
had surrendered their independence and he did
consider such a charge courteous n fellow
Senators Il regret" he said, the notion that
the Executive can follow bill into the Senate,
and I have never known Executive who vio-
lated his own Office by invading other departments
OF the government He added, however that he,
with others had resented the propaganda Of
year ago in the Interest Of reciprocity. Il did not
he said like TO receive communications from
officers OF the United States serving in Cuba. In
structiug TO our duty
MI Bailey asked Mr.. Spooner why he was willing
r. vote for the pending bill when he had opposed
the House bill Of last session, and Mr.. Spooner
replied that his opposition TO the bill Of the LNth
Congress mad been based on the ground that IL
reduced the duty refined sugar all over the
world
Mr.. spooner conterded that all revenue measures
should originate in the House of Representatives
and said that he did not see how Mr.. Lodge could
reconcile his bill for the free admission oil Noes
with this requirement
Re also discussed the effect Of the adoption by
Cuba OF the Plat amendment as part OF the
C,lban constitution and said it should remain there
forever for Cubas own protection. both as against
foreign foes and against instruction He con-
tended tbar the PIatt amendment in wise dero-
gates from Cuba's Independence He expressed the
onin5on that the United States owned the Isle OF
P4rcs The Cubans also think they own IT, he said.
but we had not opened bank account with the
Goddess of Liberty when we freed Cuba" and could
not AFFORD TO hagge like shopkeeper over matters
nth mar republic For himself he for the bill
- H. interest Of the United States and not in the
interest Of Cuba
MR. HOAR3 VIEWS on TREATIES.
~, t4oar followed Mr. spooner with a bries ex-
sition NJ his views on the constitutions. question
as 10 treaties affecting the revenue. He did not
agree with Nh SpooDer that the President and the
Senate could make treaties affecting the revenue
,,+po+ the assent of the House OF Representatives
I'm, held that under the constitution treaties
% absolutely the OF the land statutes
,,nou which both houses of Congress have passed.
He did not however. believe in the policy OF treaties
affecting the tariff, and contended that direct egts
lation was easier OF accomplishment than the ex
change OF treaties Mr.. Hoar also said that because
- nfs oDoositTon TO this method ne had found II
,irac1It 10 secure his own assent to support the
hill AIR Hoar objected TO the assertion that prom
ises had been made to Cuba and confessed that he
had not looked with favor on the statement made
by President in his MESSAGE TO the effect that
a failure to pass the bill would almost amount TO
= breach OF faith. Still. he added. he did in
tend tn Let this objection interfere with his support
OF the bill.
Mp PAII,EY REPLIES TO Mr. SPOONER
Mr. Bailey took exception TO the statement made
n, Mr. spooner 10 the effect that he CMr Bailey
mad been Influenced toward protection because OF
his interest in cattle business Of his state I
lisclaim any sympathy with any bill ana disaVo"
any opposition any bill affecting any interest OK
nv own srats because Of sentiment in that State
,yo-a5,re 70 protection" he said He explained
nat bic rnstion on all matters relating 10 tariff
vas that Of favoring tariff for revenue only