New-York tribune., 1903-01-25
OUIGG. .DOBLIN,M ,M'CULLAGH
Continued from nrst pnge0

Quit"
And L quit that is all"
Ibid y,u communicate this to Mr.. Quigg"
Yes, sir"
Where did you see him?"
"At No. 100 Broadway.
"When?"
IT think it the same afternoon.
What did you say to him?
II told him Mr.. Lessler wouldnt-lt cant De
done, I think that was the language 1 used
1T can't be done"
What could not be done?"
.erhe mission 1 was after, trying to get Less
ler"
Answering Representative Roberts, MI Dop-
lin said that Mr.. McCuliagh had never asked
him to see Mr.. Lessler in regard to submarine
boats
Replying to Mr.. Wheeler, he said he could not
fix definitely the date of his interview with Mr.
Lessler.
In explaining why he made statement pc
fore the subcommittee, he said he supposed ne
was obliged to tell his story, and beheVed WHAT
he said was to be held in confidence by the COM
mittee. He said he understood one OF the fnelii-
hers to have stated at that time that he must
tell what he knew, and he added: You might
as we'll have pulled gun and said Hanos up
De Lancey Nicoll cross-examned DopHh' carry
ing him over his testimony, and with particular
having occurred with Mr.. Qugg. Mr. Nlcoil dl-
rected inouiries to the witness as to whether he
lnew he was doing an unlawful act in SUBMIT
ting the proposition to Mr.. Lessler, which he
testified he did. Doblin said he had not read
the law on the subject, and in answer as to
whether he thought he was doing friendly act,
he said he only wanted friend to help an
other.
JOHN M'CULLAGH'S TESTIMONY.
John McCullagh, State Superintendent OF
Elections in New-York, was the next witness
He testified that the first time he met MI Less
Ter was In Washington, after the latters eiecIoh.
He had read deposition of Henry D. HERTZ an
architect of New-York. who deposed that he
was not interested in politics, but was peileVer
in he Holland boat. In a conversation WIN
Mr. Rice the president of the Holland Boat
Connpany for whom Hertz was building
house and who knew of his friendship for MT
McCullagh, Mr. Rice suggested that Hertz see
Mr. McCullagh to have the latter see LESSER
who was opposed to the construction OF the
boats He acquiesced. Mr.. Hertzs deposi'ioh
said that he had no interest in the company anu
| never had. Mr.. McCullagh then proceeded to
| describe his meeting with MI LESSER in WASH
| inston AT that meeting, which occurred in Mr.
| Iass,ar,s room at his hotel Mr.. McCullagh
| testified that Mr. Lesser had spoken OF his
IT essler's) debt of gratitude to him CMcCullagh)
| for his election. Mr. McCullagh testlned that
| he protested he had done nothing except per
form his duty. Mr.. McCullagh then testineo
that he told Mr. LESSER of his errand he toid
him he came from friend who had no interest
in the Holland boat to ask him to vote for the
appropriation. Mr.. Lessler, he testined' rePlleo
| that he could not support the proposition He
ajd bo was mo ID fool; that he was not
born Yesterday"
"TJa told ne" witness said, that there was
not a man on the committee he would trust ex-
cept one do not remember the name OF the
| member although he mentioned it.
| we are glad you dont," cried several OF the
| members in chorus, and there was general
| laugh around the room.
"A LOBBY AND DOODLE.
Proceeding, Mr.. McCullagh testified that Mr
| I,essler went on to say that he was sat1sned
there was a lobby here in the interest OF the
boats Mr. McCuagh added: "Furthern1ore
| he said. II have weighed the whole thing.
While I cannot prove it, 1 believe there IS
1obb1, here and there is Doodle. The compost
+,on of the whole thing, gentlemen from my
standpoint what have seen of 1t, IS VINE TER
rapin and women
Mr. McCullagh then specifically denied Mr..
1essler's statement that he said ne came 10
Washington on behalf of men who could defeat
him 1lessler) for election, and that LESSER had
replied to his request that ne "oulu see hiiii
(McCullagh) "in hell first"
Mr.. McCullagh replying to questions by mem
bers of the committee, said he had not in any
wav intimated to Mr.. Lessler that his acts
would in any way affect his election. He said
he paid no attention to the presence Of Mr..
Lessers secretary in the room at the hotel, and
did not have any purpose in speaking in an
undertone.
.I paid my way from New-York to Wash
ington," he said, and he added that his visit
to Mr. Lessler was purely question of friend
ship for friend of twenty-five years.
QUIGG ON WITNESS STAND.
After recess Mr. Quigg was sworn. He said
| he had known Mr. Lessler for eight years, but
his acuuaintance while cordial, had not been in
innate He had known Doblin for about the
same length of time. He described Doblin as
"a district worker" He then told his story
follows:
On December 8, 1902, he called at the Waldorf
and sent his card to Senator Hanna to in
vite him to a public dinner. While he was
waiting he encountered DR.. Kerr, of Chicago.
DR. Kerr asked him if he knew Lessler, and, on
being answered in the affirmative, asked him if
he (Quigg) would do him favor. The doctor
then asked him if he would Lessler be-
half of the Holland torpedo boat. DR.. Kerr, he
said told him that Lesser opposing the
boats in "boisterous and noisy" way He
said he did not suppose he could do much with
Lessler but If he could 'cool Lessler off, it
would be appreciated Witness said he knew
little about the Holland boat, but DR.. Kerr said
perhaps he could induce Lesser to be little
less ''pestiferous"
HIS TALK WITH DOBLIN
Il said would" went on the witness "a few
davs later Tor Kerr called me on he talephone