The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1903-10-10
Tillman Again on Stand in
His Own Behalf.
LOOKING FOR TROUBLE
Felt Sure that There Would Be Shoots
ing When He Met Gonzales--The :
End Of the Trial is Now
Near.
(1,y Associated Press.)


four hours. q witness In his own behalf.
For ono full hour he was subjected TO
the fire of cross-exnminntion by coun-
sci for the State. But one other witness
was placed on the stand by the de-
fcnsc. after which the defense rested.
Witnesses In rebuttal placed on tho stand
BY the State were heard during the clos
to-day toward the conclusion of the
trial which already has consumed nearly
two weeks.
The defendant, rcsuming his testimony
to-day, was asked as to the impression
made upon him as to Mr.. Gonzales feel
ing toward him by the editorials, num-
Der being indicated by the attorney.
Replying, he said that they impressed
him as intensely bitter. He said he old
not make threats In Edgefield or on a
train.
The defendant was asked with refer
ence to statements attributed to him
while engaged in conversation IN ms
room in hotel In Columbia on August
Goth or DIST of last year. IIe said: "The
conversation Dr.bAdams- referred 10 took
place when a number Of my friends were
in the room, and 1T was running, gen,
eral conversation. Sometimes l would
be talking to one and then another;
sometimes three or four would be talk
ing to me. Somebody came into the
room and told me about some new ru-
NOR concerning what Mr.. Gonzales would
do to me, and nado the remark that
IL he attempted to do that I don't think
said, as DR.. Adams said, Snuff his
light out but - him, would kill
him. think"
He said further: IT had been told In
different places1 in, South Carolina that
Mr.. Gonzales had stated that I dared
not come to Columbia and say about him
there what had said upon other stumps
during the campaign"
CARRIE DA PISTOL.
He said the different statements were
made in connection with threats reported
to him. The defendant said fur
Their that 1t had been report
cd that the opera house in Columbia
where a campaign meeting was to be held
was to be packed. and that he was not
to be let out alive. and he stated that
he said that if that rumored threat was
carried out ut would be one of the d.
tragedies In South Carolina"
Answering counsel hes said he had sent
word to Mr.. Gonzales to attend the meet
ing at Columbia and make his charges.
He said he did not feel safe to so un-'
armed while In Columbia. He said the did
not have a pistol in his hip pocket prior
to the day Of the shooting as testified
to by two Columbia boys. but said he
did have one in sling under his coat,
showing where it was carried at that
time.
Mr.. Tillman exhibited the automatic PTS
tol to the fury, saying that because Of Its
peculiar shape it could not be carried
in a hip pocket. He, added ,,tha. it was a
bottle he had In his hip pocket at the
State house.
Mr.. Tillman put on the overcoat which
no said he wore on the day of the shoot
Ing and stood before the jury. show
Ing that it had no side pockets. Placing
his right hand In a rear pocket he said
that was where he drew the pistol from.
He said he reached back there and cooked
1t when hetsaw Gonzles.
After detailing his movements about
the State heuses after the adjournment OF
the Senate on September 18th. the defen-
dant said that in company with sena-
tors Talbird, and Brown he started down
town. :, a., $50 $3.50
SAW GONZALES.
"Just before I got to the transfer sta
lion noticed Mr. Gonzales some dis
tanced down the street looking at me In
tently." said the defendant. II never
took my eyes off him. nor did he take
his eyes off of me-
At this point in the witness narrative
blue print of the scene of the shooting
was produced, which was held before the
i,.ry by counsel while the defendant in
dcated positions as he proceeded With
his statement, saying: Mr.. Gonzales got
about along there dndlcating. He was
coming down the street next to the curb
stone. We three were walking about In
the middle OF the sidewalk, as near as
can recollect 1t. Just before Ar. Gonza-
les got to me he cut across toward me"
Answering counsel. he said Mr.. Tai
bird was on the outside. and that there
was room enough for Mr.. Gonzales to
have passed between Senator Talbird and
the curb. t15l ~
The witness was asked TO state what
Gonzales did and what appearance he
had
When he started to cut across the pave
ment toward me-" was the reply his
overcoat was tightly buttoned up and
both his hands we're thrust In his over
coat pocket. The thumbs Of both of his
hands were outside Of his overcoat pock-
ct until he started TO cut across tho side
walk coming directly toward me. and
then the thumb OF his right hand disap-
reared IN his pocket, and II happened
almost directly, in three or four seconds
after that. was expecting hun TO shoot,
and said u got your message" and
fired"
ONLY ONE SHOT
The defendant stated that when he said
message" he had in mind what was re-
/, ported by Captain White and Mr, Hol-
sopback.
Answering counsel, he said he did not
fire second shot because Mr.. Gonzales
did not return his fire.
"When fired / did not know said
the defendant. whether the pistol had
worked or not, and threw the barrel
over on my coat sleeve and was OK
pectinR Mr.. Gonzales to fire on mo. and
was fixing to shoot again. He did not
4 fire and took down my pistol"
| He said he did not bear Mr., Gonzales
say, Shoot again, you coward"
| "Hr Gonzales pared on by me 10 the
corner Of the transfer station" hc said,
| "and wheeled round It n fcw feet and
seemed 10 stop and hesitate, and then ho
| turned around and came back to the
| corner and faced Main Street looking IN
| the direction Of The State Office, and |
| Immediately thought what wing IN h!t
mind, and thought I would be attacked
from that quarter and that IL what made
mc gidestcp off tho hidewalk."