The Montgomery advertiser., 1903-08-26
TESTIMONY OF
 WITNESSES
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c. What was that report? A. We'll. ht | went on to say that 1t was fine pit and that he thought 1t would last for c number of years. don't remember how long, forty or fifty years. and that il was what the city needed. c. Was that before or after the wells were sunk? A. After the wells were sunk. | c. After he made an examination oi the pit? A. Yes. sir. Q. Was you relationship with Dave Ford, so far as you knew, friendly unti last Saturday? A. It was, sir. Q. Have you met him frequently since the subject of this sale of this gravel pit was up, up to last Saturday. A. On ths street.
 | Q. Spoke to him friendly? A. Yes. o. Did he ever decline to speak to youi A. Not before.
 c. Up to last Saturday you thought your relationship with him was very pleasant? A. thought that he was my friend.
 Q. When did you first hear that there was any improper means used towards the safe of your gravel pit. the frs, time? A. Last Tuesday morning. week ago today.
 Q. How did you hear that? A. By the papers;>I came to town. Q. Can you tell this committee why MT. Jones--any reason why Mir. Jones. or MT. Ford. should swear like they have sworn in this case? A. Of course, I have just got an idea--the King is dying and the new king Is going to be crowned.
 Q. 1 did not mean an opinion. Do you know any fact why they should swear that against you? A. None on earth-to prevent the sale of my pit IS all,
 c. Do you know any reason why they want to prevent the sale of your pit any reason-not any imaginary reason? A. know that they are against me. l never thought anything about 1t. l think the aldermen went there and selected the place that would do the greatest service for the city, 1 knew that they had gone there, and knew dirt was costing them 75 cents to $ to haul clay, and the first rain swept it of, and knew on the side streets at Greil Bros and Mr. Steiners 1t is killing to the mules the moment you get 1.-the paved streets, or pulls horse to death to pull one of them. O. Do you know whether Mir. Jones ever made a report to the Council him. self? A. do not. sir. c. Was he present when the com mittee met and made It's report? A. He was not.
 Q. Didn't you know that he was Street Overseer. and that Ford was City Engineer. all the time? A. Yes (Bal- ance of answer stricken out by instruc- tions of Investigating Committee to stenographer.)
 c. Didn't you know Mir Campbell Jones was simply street overseer, or street superintendent, and that the mat ter of reporting to the Counsil was by Mir Ford? A. Certainly I did.
 Mir. Gunter: How many miles of streets would the clay gravel in that pit pave or gravel? A. So many that could not mention them.
 O. Have you made any estimate? A. None in the world.
 0. Have you any opinion in the mat ter? A. No. sir. have never thought of the matter.
 o. Would it gravel fifty miles of streets? A. think more than that good deal, 1t is . mountain, MT. Gunter, un- told amount of yardage in it; and another thing in loading cars out of this pit of mine you have no run up when you dig hole, 1t is a mountain. you put your plank and run wheelbarrows in it, a 12- yesar-old boy can run a wheel barrow in there. I can take a boy and load a car, that Is the advantage in my pit-the moment you get into pit like Chisholm s 1t Is death on mules.
 e.. Did MT. Ford ever say that your pit was cheap at any particular price? A No. sir.
 0. He made no statement as to the value of the pit? A. He said this $11, ,000-- he didn't object to 1t. l thought 1t was cheap when we first went into the busi- ness.
 Mr. Mcintyre: What did you say about the s11.oOo? A. He did not object to the prlce.
 Q. Did not say it was excessIve7 A. No.
 Mir. Steiner: Did he say that he thought 1t was rair? A. I don't think that he said 1t was high at all, thought that he thought 1t was very reasonable.
 Evidence of Aldermen.
 Alderman Paul Roeder, who was chair man of the committee that recommended the purchase of the Carter gravel pit, testified relating to a meeting of the com mittee after an investigation by the com mittee of the several gravel pits. In reply to the direct question as to who was present at that mteting, MT. Roeder said: "The full committee-the Mayor. the City Engineer and Mir. Carter"
 Question-Was MT. Ford's opinion asked as to the quality of that Carter gravel, and as to the quantity of the gravel there was?
 MT. Roeder-Yes. sir. .Mr. Ford stated to the committee that the gravel was just such as the city needed for paving streets, and that it was in sufficient quan- tity to last the city as least fifty years, to my best recollection.
 Alderman Gaston Gunter testified that he had stated upon the floor of the Coun- cil that Mir. Ford had told him there was enough gravel in the pit to last fifty years and he had voted for the resolu- ton to purchase the pit on such belief. This statement was made on the floor of the Council within the hearing of MT. Ford.
 Alderman Hartley was a member of the gravel pit committee and he testified
 Question-Mr. Hartley, did the City Engineer report favorably to you or your committee on this pit?
 MT. Hartley-Why. he was very favor ably impressed. I was never at the pit but one time, and I talked with the en- gineer very considerable about it, and we walked all ovr the pit and he was very enthusiastic.
 The testimony of other witnesses was unimportant.
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