The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1903-11-19
Says Republicans Next Year VIII
Have 263 Electoral Votes, the Demo-
Gratis ISL and 62 Are Doubtful.
DEBATE ON THE CUBAN BILL
ENLIvENED BY COLLOQUIEs THAT
AROUSED MEMBERS TO APPLAUSE.
Gen. Leonard Wood Attacked by Mr.
FOrdney, of Michigan, Who Is
Opposed to Reciprocity.

WASHINGTON, Nov. 1S.-The opposition
to-day and in vigorous speech. The fea-
lures of the day were the speeches of Mr..
Grosvenor, OF Ohio, who opened the dis
cussion in advocacy of the bill, and Of
Mr.. Fordney, of Michigan, Rep, who spoke
in opposition. Mr.. Grosvenor spoke for
more than an hour. during which he was
frequently interrupted by questions ema-
mating from the Democratic side. The
colloquies resulting, especially those with
Mr.. Clark, of Missouri, brought forth loud
applause from first one side of the cham
Der and then from the other. Mr.. Gros-
venor made a prophetic statement as to
how the States will be aligned in the
coming presidential campaign, in response
to the declaration of Mr.. Clark as to the
probability of Democratic success next
year. Mr.. Fordney and two of his Repubi-
can colleagues from Michigan spoke in
opposition to the bill. Mr.. Fordney
emphatically expressed his disapproval of
the measure. He made an attack on Mr..
Francis Thurber, of New York, and criti-
cised Gen. Leonard Wood in severe terms
for paying money to Mr.. Thurber for dis
tributing literature in the interest of Cuban
reciprocity two years ago. Among others
who spoke in opposition to the bill were
Messrs Shafroth, of Colorado, Burgess, of
Texas. and Bell, of California Democrats,
and Messrs. McMorran and Loud, the latter
two Republicans from Michigan. The de-
bate will close tomorrow and vote will
be taken not later than 4 o'clock p. m.
In the course of his speech. in answering
cfat do hty " rlarx 70
ditions existing when Mr. Cleveland went
in as President, Mr.. Grosvenor said: I'm
mediately upon the election of Cleveland
there was practically suppression of the
income from the revenues of the govern
ment into the treasury or the United States
1t was natural. 1t was inevitable 1t
would happen again If somebody other
than Roosevelt should be elected Presi-
dent next year."
Mr.. Grosvenor introduced letter writ
ten by Charles Foster. former secretary of
the treasury under President Harrison. to
Senator Foraker, dater Oct. %, 1903, in
which he states the condition of the treas
ury when Harrison retired and Cleveland
became President. He gave in detail facts
In connection with the preparation of bond
plates in February, 1898. and of the steps
taken after consulting, as he said, with
Senators Sherman and German and Mr..
lands secretary of the treasury. 1t is
stated in the letter that Mr.. Foster turned
over to Mr.. Carlisle 100000.
While speaking of the prospects for the
Democratic party Mr.. Clark asked if Mr..
Grosvenor knew that of the nineteen men
convicted In st: Louis sixteen of them were
Republicans. II don't know replied Mr.
Grosvenor, but if that is true it don't
speak well for the fairness of the admins
tration OF Justice" Loud applause fol-
lowed on the Republican side.l
.Ixrfk,
of Mr.. Clark as to the probability OF the
Democrats gaining control Of the next Con-
gress and electing the next President, said
he would show what the result would be-
The Democrats would carry Alabama.
Arkansas. Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana,
Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina,
South Carolina, Tennessee. Texas and Vir-
ginia.
Mr. sulzer. of New York-"And you
might add New York"
Mr.. Grosvenor-"I might add Ohio. but l
won't" Laughter on the Republican
Mr.. Grosvenor said the Democrats would
find some fighting ground in Delaware and
Idaho (possiblyO Maryland, he said, was
in doubt. Montana somewhat doubtful Il
put New York in this column against my
own Judgment he said, adding that If
the Democrats do not carry New York city
by double the vote given Mr.. Mcclellan
they would be defeated in that State. He
said this gave the Democrats Isl votes and
62 doubtful. He then named the following
as the Republican States: California Colo
RADIO, Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa,
Kansas Maine. Michigan. Minnesota, Mas
sachusetts, Nebraska, New Ramps hire
| New Jersey, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsyl-
| vania, Rhode Island. South Dakota Yer
| mont, Washington, West Virginia, Wiscon-
SIM Wyoming, with total of 263 votes Mr.
! Grosvenor said the Panama question would
not afford the Democrats an issue and said
| there was no Aguinaldo down there as all
are on our side on the isthmus
Mr.. Fordney. in speaking on the bill, said
| he wanted to criticise Major General Wood
| for 1t had been proved that he had ex-
| tracted from those poor. starving Cubans'
| $4,000 which he had paid to Thurber to
| influence legislation. 'Oh. what action by
high official" continued Mr. Fordney
/ He claimed the Cubans were starving and
then reached his long fingers into the Gu
and here Mr.. Fordney called names that
| might be considered libelous uttered any
where save in Congress. Mr.. Fordney said
that General Wood had testified before a
| Senate committee that he had searched
| the whole island and that all the sugar
he could find that belonged to the trust
| was 3.2S5 tons. "A few days later Mr.
| Havemyer testified that the trust had 9S OOt
! tons of sugar in Cuba. Wood only missed
| it by $4,000 tons. That is not much for q
| military officer. The average Americar
soldier is a better marksman than that.
| could beat it myself" Mr. Fordney saif
| the government of Cuba had 81 600 600 in its
| treasury and was better off than othe,
| governments IL their debts were paid. The
| bill was to benefit prosperous Cuba at the
| expense of the farmers of the United
| States.