The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1903-03-12
is; Held ]: UP:
IN SENATE
Big Tangle Arises Over the
Campbell Case.
GOES OVER TILL TO-DAY
GOES OVER TILL TO-DAY y
Heavy Debate Is Expected-The House
Passes Gardner Annexation Bill and
Debates Barksdae Pure Elec-
.{ ton Measure-vote To-Day

~ Il nc ACGr1pOcll-CruWlOTd CaSe was Coil-
sidcred for the first time by the Senate
yesterday. and on motion Of Mr.. Harvey
Of Patrick after q long and brilliant de-
4f bate tho matter went by until to-day
The tangle, which arose was over the
disposition which the Senate should make
Of the subject, was not altogether unex-
& pected, as the press had already indl-
Gated that there would be big fight.
Mr.. McIlwaine, Of Petersburg, was the
= chief speaker Of the day, and his conten-
ton was that, precedent or no prece-
J dent, he could not get his consent to
vote for agreeing to the House resolu-
lions and charges without some more OIL
cial light on the subject.
~ He was interrupted by number Of
4 questions by his colleagues, but replied
to all with characteristic force and abili-
". He did not desire to be put In the
attitude Of passing Upon the merits Of
q the House resolutions, or as to the guilt
or innocence Of the accused Judge, but
Z he would no. Vote for, concurrence with
& out further investigation, because he did,
X not believe 1t was right. 3
Senators Keezell, Bruce. Anderson and
All w alker !. did not see the matter in the
s. light in which It was viewed by Mr..
Mc1lwaine, but 1t went over before there
A was any heavy debate AZ
III The House by a vote Of s. to "A passed
the Gardner annexation bill, which pro-
vides for the submission Of questions
relating to municipal expansion, and
1. then devoted the remainder Of the session
TO discussing the Barksdale pure elections
4 bill. A vote will be reached on the lat
tar measure at 1880 o'clock to-day.
The Senate.
The Senate proceedings were opened
with prayer by the REV. DR.. aW. T.
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The Lyle bill In regard to the an an.
/ ployment Of child labor in factories came
Il back from the House with an amend
ment practically embracing the principle
OF the Cubell bill. There was no action
telsen IN the matter. A question arose
as to pairs, and members had different
views on the subject, Mr.. McIlwaine of.
Ell fered a resolution providing that the
Committee on Rules shall report rule
governing the pairs made by Senators.
This was unanimously adopted,
1t was exactly 1:15 o'clock when the
House resolution in relation to the
q Campbell case was reached. The Sena-
tors who were in the cloak-roo1n hur-
rled to their seats. The Senate Chamber
E and galleries were crowded with spec
E tators Clerk Button had most atten-
tive audience while he read the indct-
i ment prepared by the House and upon
which 1t is recommended that Judge
Campbell be tried for removal.
MIR. hiILWAINEs SPEECH.
When Mr. sMc1lwaine arose to address
the Senate conversation ceased. Mr.. Nc
Nwalne is generally regarded as one Of
" the ablest lawyers In the State, as we'll
as one of the broadcast minded and most
Il practical men in the State. Whenever he
talks the Senators give him the most
careful hearing. He said that he was
sorry that the resolution had come up
at this time, for he was physically UNI
{ able to present his argument just as he
would like to do. 9t tjJsi
Mr.. McIlwaine soon got warmed up to
his subject, and in that forceful way no
4 has of presenting his views. he fairly
ridded the action of the House in send
Ing such resolution to the Senate.
He stated that he was utterly unable
I; to discuss tAe' merits OF this case. He
did not know..that Judge Campbell was
guilty or not guilty. and he did not think
\ any other, Senator knew more about the
merits Of the case than himself He de-
clared that he would follow precedent SO
long as precedent is good, but when 1t
u Is bad he will depart from It. He would
never consent to agreeing to q resolu-
= ton passed by tho House. stating the
grounds upon Which judge should be
removed. when the Senate was presumed
to know nothing whatsoever Of the evil
dence In the case.
Mr., McIlwaine was loaded with law
and with precedent. and he, while not
Z going into the merits OF the case, con-
tended that the House had acted pre-
maturely in sending to the Senate causes
for the removal OF a Judge, when not
single Senator knew that either ono OF
these causes WIS true.
SHOULD PROCEED CAUTIOUSLY.
We do not know that either ono Of
these causes upon which Judge Camp
& bell Is to be removed, II he is going to
be removed, Is true" said the Petersburg
E Senator. "Why, as far as we know, If
a Judge Campbell is to be removed, It may
be tor some other cause than those sent
over for our concurrence" s@
~ Mr.. McIlwalne was unwilling to place
upon the records Of the Senate causes
for the removal Of o public official when
Senators had not particle Of evidence
that a single ono OF the charges was
true He stated that he. for one, would
vote to GUST Judge Campbell II no should
be convinced that the Judge was guilty.
but he was not going to vote to remove
him upon evidence that he had not heard.
II have no personal or political
feeling In this matter" said Mr..
McIlwaine. II have only that interest
OF one who is seeking to do his duty as
legislator I want to guard tho inter-
ests OF the Commonwealth. but ] am
going to try and protect the interests VI
the private, or official. citizens Of this
State"
513 SHOULD NOT CONCUR.
Mr.. McIlwaine urged that the Senate
not concur In this resolution, but send It
back to the House. and let the House
give Judge Campbell the notice required
by the Constitution. II 1t is decided to
remove tho Judge, then the House should
send to the Senate the actual" and
not the "alleged." causes for the re-
moyal of Judge Campbell. When this
should be done, then the Senate could
net.
'Tn other words" said Mr.. McIlwaine
] "the House should finish It's work.
When the matter Is properly IN to the
I Senate this body will do its duty, whether
it involves tho removal OF Judge Camp
bell or his yindicaton. Let us proceed
deccntly and In order about this thing"
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