The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1903-09-26

I Ana when due III 1902 al had been reduced
X fofS1,OO0, The note lad been secured ny
4 sdeef, OF ir,,s, on Mr.. Polock's property
CnItiis account MIR. Pollock now owes
Il t9oo. which he promises to shortly pay
out OF n fee TO be gotten from = clieht
" no Inns some matter rendihE peiore tne
III Council He spoke again OF the. notes or
Messrs. Burton md I,ahcn, and witness
reltcra ted that MI these transactions we're
conducted upon a. purely BUSINESS BASIS,
Mr.. william Gibson, said the witness,
stiil owed 500 OH n 500 note. This note :,
u was what was called "lousekeeper,
,,ecnusc II was Of long standing. Hc l1ad
often employed Mi, Gibson, both "hlle
cou,cilman and before. and hau 1ouhu
lin, 4 straightforward man. Though now
unable 10 pny, witness would not hesi-
1ate To loan Mr., Gibson money. lie ma
loaned Mfr Williams money and INC note
\ Ind been endorsed By Estelle Wlliians.,
1.-The principal for WHOM, the councilman Is
ugcnt III the drug business.
fs7 PROMISED MORE DATA.
f Here Captain Pizz'nI promised to tnr.
nish the committee with the names of nll
Counciln,en to whom he had AWARDED
Il contracts N the absence OF competitive
bids. and then Mr.. Minor proceeded 20
,nuuire of witness MS to the granting
OF street railway franchises.
Witness said he did not think the
$1,000 he give Major Martin to DC eS-
PENDED to prevent the Traction COMPANY
from coming OH Main street wus ~,
the money he had so snent though he
cn,,ld not recall any individuals 10 whom
10 had paid money. He was sure Mr..
rIisher had furnished him money for this
purpose. .,,,.t,,i
,1"Mr. Fisher kept a private account.
said the witness, like 7 keep NINE, ana
when the fights were over presume ne
.
destroyed them.
n remember having treated to some
boxes OF cigars and drinks, though l
vac not much Of drinker myself"
eve generally bought the best we
could Ret. and did not lose anything
out OF Our own pockets.
"If we had undertaken to corrupt the
Council we would have gotten n much
more liberal franchise. 1t is therefore
. mistaken Idea that we spent so much
money after all. @
1T We had spent the money on the
Council the public seems to think we
aid the franchise would not have peeh
half SO stringent in Its terms
.The men who got the money put II
IN their pockets, and not dollar of 1t
went 10 Councilman, In my Judgment.
AZ have a hazy recollection OF haVlns
B, employed q great many people sald Wy
moss. IN reply to a question by Mr. FOL
lard "but 1 don't recollect the name OF
anv Individual to whom money was paid.
II should say about $4,000 was spent IN
thc franchise fight. No city official got
dollar of 1t. I paid none Of 1t to MI.
Manning, Mr.. Saunders or Mr., l.eaman.
They were on the other side, and II you
desire to know about them you mad pet
Ter call Mr.. Williams.
HAY 3RECoLLECsrION.
IT may have paid Barney Erischkorn
some money, and there were others but
cannot now recall their names.
Witness said he had no franchise UP
row save that for the charterlng OF q
burglary alarm system.
Questioned by Mr.. Rennolds, OF the
committee, witness said he regarded
$4,000 as a mere .bagatelle 10 get d 4a'l-
way franchise through
He said II he needed a vote to get q
franchise through. and he could get 1t
tor $4,000, he would pay 1t as quickly as
he would ten cents. &
"Not personality" observed a member
& OF the committee.
.Well. + would not like to be put to the
test was the kuick reply. In answer TO
Mr.. Pollard witness said, If he needed one
vote for a franchise, and II should be
offered him Ny third party, he would
no, nay the money until the goods were
IS delivered.
MIR. JENKINS TEST1FIEs.
All through Captain Pizzini's testimony
81 he declared that no money went to
. Councilman, a.. Alderman or city Off
w. Ger though he thought some Of 1t went to
q politicians
in answer to a question by Sergeant
alarms Ruskell. Captain Pzzinl denied
the statement in the afternoon paper that
in a conversation between the sergeant
alarms and witness the words Gibson"
and deed had been used.
Mr.. w. F. jenkins now took the stand.
and was questioned by Mr.. Minor
He testified as to hs2connection with the
franchise fight in 1899, and said he end
some gentlemen had formed company
known as the Virginia Conduit Company
and had gotten a franchise. The object
OF the company was to obtain the Main
Street franchise and the putting In OF the
underground system. Witness read q list
of names Of incorpora tors, and produced
4 n contract between himself and them.
which papers were filed with the>eommit-
tee. He declared that the system had
been tried and pronounced good one
by an expert. who. was unfriendly to
underground Systcrtis. 80"
He and his associates had finally aban.
doned their intentions to apply for Il
franchise. and had joined hands with the
Byrd Newton syndicate, and were to get
r. something like 100000 In consideration.
WAS VERY ACTIVE.
s Witness said he had been very active
among the Councilmen for the franchise
though he had promised no Councilman
& any consideration. Neither did he know
& OF any Councilman who had received any
i consideration. Witnessed testified tina
the Virginia Conduit Company got SIs,ooc
p in stocks and bonds for their share, ant
he had gotten $1,000 for helping In tn
fight
Mr.. Jenkins said he had had nothing
TO do with the Tight between the tw'
street car companies further than to suE
gest Mr.. John Il. lpps name to Ma1o
Martin as a good worker for the Passen
gel and Power Company.
Major Martin asked me TO bring MI
Tpps to see him. said the witness. "an
I'VE went together TO Major Martins Of
fice. Major Martin gave Mr.. Epps let
tel, and read-it afterwards"
Here letter was read. which was /
the nature OF IL contract, signed by Ma1o
Martin and endorsed and accepted b
Mr., Epps. in which it was agreed tina