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Mr.. Clayton, replying to Mr.. Mc1lwaine
commended that It would be no. injustice tc
considerable case aon the evidence nd
duced before the House, and that to at
tempt to consider the record in detail
would greatly delay action.
WILLING TO STAY.
Nj. Mc1lwnine replied that he would
rather stay here, one year, or even two
years, than outrage his conscience and
vote uponsthis matter without hearing
or reading the testimony. i,
{ Mr.. Clayton, resuming his argument,
declared that, since the incipiency of
this matter the entire matter had been
SO saturated with the case that every
one knew OF it and was more or less
familiar with the Testimony TIe de
,cared that he did not feel that he would
outrage his conscience by accepting and
acting upon tho sworn testimony taken
by the House Committee for Courts Of
Justice In the case.
q Mr.. Opie OF Augusta: ''Then you pro-
pose to eject this man from office on
hearsay evidence7 Do you contend that
the procedure In the case has been reg
5ular?
4 I'm coming to that point now" said
Mr.. Clayton, as he resumed his argument.
He cited the Stephens case from Mel
son county and claimed tina IT, was
precedent for the procedure In this case.
In that case. he said. the Committee for
Courts of Justice had made a report
recommending the conmtttal to spe-
cial committee of five to inquire and
report as to what should be the evil
dence in that case Senator Daniel was
n member of that committee. If select
committee may consider and recommend
what shall be tho evidence, why may
not the Senate itself do MS much? IN the
Stephens case the committee simply took
the printed record from the House at the
basis for its action The Senate as
body Is superior to any committee. for
the creator was greater than Its Great
hure In the case Of Judge Campbell there
were seven specific charges against him;
he appeared here in person and BY coun-
sci, and was given every opportunity
10 face his accusers and summon his wit
nesses and make his defense. It seems
to me, said the Senator. he has had the
fairest sort Of trial. The whole mat
ter has been thoroughly investigated.
In the Shumate case the questions In
yolyed were not even referred to a com
mttee.
Mr. Baresdale laughed and remarked:
evidently. the Senator has not read the
Shumate case.
Mr.. clayton rctorted that he did not
expect by his argument to convince the
Senator from Halifax
mo, not when you are wrong re 'ts zee
Mr.. Barksdale. ~,
Mr.. Mcllwaine interrupted to ask; y 'd
not shumate plead guilty to the charges
in his case and thus obviate the necessity
of taking testimony"
AFTER LEGALITY.
MIR. opie. of Augusta, asked: Does
not the Senator from BEDFORD 1h,hk =,
would he wiser and safer to guard well
my ac.tcn2 / am In favor OF dlsmem Der
Ing this man. but want to proceed IN
q legal and constitutional manner.
Mr. cnaytor. resuming defended the
OF the action proposed
In his resolution.
Mr.. opie added the significant state
ment: s'gut the constitutionallty OF tils
nrocecdin, will be tested. contend tnn1
the procedure in the Stephens case was
Mr.. Ha.scy desired to know what rea'
sons Tor the removal Of Judge camp,
ber, were 10 be spread upon the 1ourhai
of the Senate. 80
Mr.. Clayton replied that theY were ,, ses
torth in the House Joint resolution. IN when
nc senate may or may not concur. Mr.
Claytor earnestly urged the adoption OF
lie resolution, which he contended CLOSE
ly followed precedent. and was, ne oe'
I;eved. entirely legal and constitutional
Mr.. Barksdale Was recognized ana pro-
ceedea To discuss the resolution. re go
mHted that ne was not an able constltu-
tional lawyer, and that he was not
good lawyer OF any kind. but ne deslrea
to submit his views as to the action pro.
posed The Senator from Bedtord,
said, he would have the Senate walk
blndly into a proceeding. In which !
can tell him its action will be contested
to the bitter end" Referring to tho
charges In the Campbell case Mr.. Barks-
dale pointed out tho fact that the House
Committee was itself very evenly divided
on the specification MS TO Campbell's col
luslon with Day IN the !lliclt sale OF u
quor Yet the Senator from bedlord,
proposed to declare this man guilty OF
tho charge which was OF such moment,
without the formality Of reference 20 q
committee He charged Mr. Claytor With
inconsistency in being a stickler for refer
ence of all matters to committees, YET
with eavoring action on this grave qNes-
tion without such reference.
A TECIINICALlTY3 URGED.
Continuing. Mr.. Bnrksdale quoted Sec
ton lD4 OF the Constitution. which he
said ought 60 bind the Senate IN Its acc-
ton II II does not SO blnd u there ~
a higher body that vii! consider II and
put stigma on the Senate and convict
liz OF imbecllity. He read with emphasis
the provision as to twenty days notice,
and charged that Judge Cambbell had
not had such notice OF tho Intention OF
,h,. sanate Referring TO the record In the
case, he said he expected TO take that
evidence and sft It from top to bottom.
reviewing the inquiry OF the House Com
,nit,ee the speaker charged that there
was clamor and howl, turmoil and
confusion prevailing at the time. There
was no time for elaboration After being
notified of the intention Of the General
Assembly to try him on a specific change.
The spesker asserted that the House Lad
leen asked TO widen tho scope OF the m
Gtiry and the prosecutors had been per-
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