The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1903-06-02

: to you with reference TO the employment
OF Mr. stahl while you were there IN St
there by the name of Arthur Stahl. who
had worked under Mr.. Sylvester in Wash
st0n hsa been had y Ssep h
i've in st. Louis in getting after the pro-
lection of gambling and bawdy houses:
that ne was very rap pa W. ia t r ne
mend him TO US IL we wanted a man OF
that kind. He said further. in doing work
of this kind a detective would know the
method of work TO pursue. We did not
discuss the methods
Mr.. Spaan--IIe did not call him farm
rand work: that he had been in dangerous
places and that he had the whole police
force of ST. Louis against him. that he had
been very effective detective and was
Q.-But that he was reliable man? A.
Yes, he said that all detectives had more
or less failings. but that Mr, STAN was
Odd you meet Mr.. Stahl while you
were there? Al met him. Mr.. Folk was
not in the Office when Mr.. Stahl came in,
but came in afterwards.
Q.-Who sent for him. IL you know? A.
Mr.. Folk told his deputy 10 bring Mr..
Stahl to the Office.
Q.-was Mr.. Folk present when you were
conversing with Mr.. Stahl? A.-Not all
the time. We had a short talk with Mr..
Stahl and then we went 10 Mr.. Folks pri-
time.
o.-How long after that visit was it be-
fore Mr. Stahl came to Indianapolis? A
1 think on Monday, five or six days after
the visit TO st. Louis.
sTAHES INSTRUCTIONS.
Q-What work was he first put att A.
He was first told by DIR. Hunt and myself
the first morning he was there that the
most serious thing. from our standpoint. in
Indianapolis, was the protection Of crime
and vice. including gambling. and that IL
was currently reported
Objected to by Mr.. Span.
A.-And we instructed him that he should
first direct his attention to the subject Of
the protection OF gambling and particu-
larly TO the slot machines; that he should
ascertain, If he could, who had received a
sum of $1,000 that was there mentioned, that
had been paid. as rumor had II. by slot ma
chine men for the privilege during horse
show week. and that he should go after the
subject of slot machines first. we wanted
to know who was getting the money and
who was protecting the machines and who
Q.-How frequently, IL you know, did he
make reports of the progress of his work?
Ale made reports daily TO Dr. Hunt.
and DR.. Hunt afterwards would either
come to my office, or i think-I think he al
ways came to my office.
Q.-How long had he been at work, as
name appeared In connection with matters
of that kind? Al think he went TO work
either Tuesday or WEDNESDAY. about May
that is, directed to Mr.. Logsdon as report
ed us-was eight nine days after that.
probably the next Wednesday, or Wednes-
day week after that.
Q.-You say you had knowledge that this
telegram was going to be sent that has been
talked about here? That knowledge, you
interview, and report from Mr. stahi. that
he had had an interview with Mr. Logsdon.
o.-And that Mr.. Logsdon had demanded
81 800 for the protection for the use Of $50
machines in this city? A.-Yes. sir.
OFT wasn't until after that that there
until after that report Of his had been SUBJ
mitted. Al never heard the matter OF
telegram discussed at all until that report
Q.-And then this telegram that you have
talked about Will ask you IL he didn't
in that report state that he would tele-
graph? A.-Mr. Span. the report speaks
OIL will ask you If you had not read a
report, or had IL stated TO you by Mr..
in which Mr. s Sis Estate STATED that he
they would stand $l,500, whether they
would agree to that, for Mr.: Logsdon? A
That That, is n true vs M ssas M ao5t
know that / read the report, but i was
told what was in ii.
Oft was after that the arrangement
was made TO back UP his statements by this
telegram? Ayes. sir.
Q.-And you were cognizant OF what
progressed from day TO day. were you?
Al had reports from DR.. Hunt.
Q.-As to the various interviews Mr..
Stahl reported as having had with Mr..
Logsdon. Ayes, sir.
Q.-Now, when you first started into this
thing. you were-I will ask yeu IL you were
looking for any particular Terson, or were
simply trying. to ascertain what persons
were s,,e engaged IN the protection II sos OF
tain what persons were engaged in the
protection of gambling We had other per-
sons in mind, but Mr.. Logsdon's name was
not mentioned In that matter.
MOTIVES DESCRIBED.
Q.-what intention had you other than
TO secure testimony to b. presented to the
Council committee? A.-iyone others, ex-
cept possibly some patriotic motives.
Q.-What other motives? Al have al
ways felt that abuses like this should not
be tolerated In city like Indianapolis. and
IL they existed they ought TO be exposed
irrespective OF who was exposed.
Redirect examination. by MFR. Span.
o-After this mans arrest. he sent for
you. did he not? Al wasn't there. Mr..
Span. and didn't get the message directly.
from him, no, sir.
Q.-You went 10 see MIN, olun you! A.
No. sir.
Q.-Who suggested TO him to 60 by the
alias OF James w. Smith? Al don't
know.
Q.-Didn't give him your initials as part
of his alias? A.-No, sir.
Q-And when you had talk with Mr..
Expert however. in spite OF all that Mr.
Folk had said 10 you about him, cracking
him up as a great detective. you told Expert
that he gave the whole snap away like a
farmer Didn't you say that? / want a
direct answer 10 my question. A.-The
Court. Answer the question. Mr.. Noel
Al told Mr.. Expert that when he
arrested he told everything he knew. 1
didn't use the word farmer: I think that
is Mr. Experts own term. And didn't use
the word snap. because that Is not In my
vocabulary.
Q.-You are too patriotic to use IT, Didn't
you say 20 Mr.. Expert on that occasion
that he gave the whole snap away like
farmer? Al didn't use either word snap
or the word farmer. i said he told every
thing he knew. possibly.
Q.-Have you any objection 20 using the
word farmer? A.-No, sir; IL Is not degrao-
ing; was raised farmer and am looking
for a snap.
Q.-And you thought you were getting q
snap when you were setting up this job on
Mr. Logsdon? A-No, sir; think possibly
the public were well served by this exc
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