The Manning times. [volume] (Manning, Clarendon County, S.C.) 1884-current, 1903-10-14


j Lyon 4 think that is the young man
: name) be is now his private secre
), tary, and be was then one of th
? clerks IN the senate. I saw Senate
3 Talbird and Senator Brown about t.
] 60 down the steps and l spoke in
: loud tone Of voice and told them tx
} wait a few moments and I would gt
, with them. I went and got my hal
? and coat and joined them at the
stairs l don't know whether the
head Of the stairs or part of the way
, down.
We went on out the state house,
myself and Senator Brown and S. ma.
) tor Talbird, as before stated, walking
down the street across the state house
ground and up Main stree, and just
before l got to the transfer station I
noticed Mr.. Gonzales some distance
down the street looking at me very
intently. | had my gloves in my left
hand, did rot have on my gloves that
day at all, and my overcoat was
buttoued. / don't think Senator
Talbird had on any overcoat at all.
It was a comparatively warm day,
not to say warm, but sort Of medium
weather. Senator Talbird was talk
Ing. He was on my lett and was talk
ing something about the nature Of a
joke, I believe, about Governor Snep-
pard. And just as | got across the
pavement, walking along, We were
walking along leisurelY, MI. Gonzales
was walking along rapidly, his over
coat was very tight buttoned, both
his hand in bis pockets, and l never
took my eye off him nor did be take
his off me, and when be started to
cut across the pavement toward me-
If you will give me that map can ex-
plain it more intelligently than I can
without it,"
;'Io yo4 prefer that Indicating
map introduced in eyidence) or the
blue print7"
II would rather have the blue print.
I am a little near-sighted, weak eyes,"
When the map was brought it was
spread out before the jury and Colonel
Tillman began:
This is the state house down here,
gentlemen, and we were walking down
together, Senator brown, Senator
Talbird myself, and about the time I
got to this point, just before We got On
the pavement, I noticed there is
that vacant lot-Mr. Gonzales was
about along there, no, nearer than
that, and had just passed Congress
man Aiken and Mr. Fred Dominick,
possibly not Ear from about that
point: Mr.. Gonzales got about along
there, he was coming down the street
next to the curb stone. We three
were walking about in the middle Of
the sidewalk, as near as I can recol-
lect it. just before Mr.. Gonzales got
to me he cut across towards me. ]
said: MIR. Gonzales, / got your mes
sage and fred. Talbird was on the
outside,n
What space was there between
Mr. Talbird and the curhstone2"
y suppose three OF four feet"
WAS there room enough for Mr..
Gonzales to have passed without cut
ting in front of you?"
Certainly, sir. When he started to
cut across the pavement toward me
his oyercoat was tightly huttoned up
both hands we're thrust in the over
coat pockets. The thumbs Of both Of
bis hands were outside Of his overcoat
pockets until he started to cut across
that sidewalk coming directly toward
me, and then the thumb Of his right
hand disappeared in bis pocket, and
it happened almost directly in three
or four seconds after that, / was eX-
peeting him to shoot, and l said, l
got your message and fred l was
unfortunate, perhaps, in calling it a
message That was in my mind
the conversation be bad at the state
house with Captain White and MI.
Holsenback: That is what ! meant
when ! spoke of a message. -"
"Show that jury the motion Of bis
hand in bis pockets?"
lis overcoat was bpttoued up and
be was Coming down that way, Stand
ing and illusgratipg) his overcoat was
pulled tightly towards his front, and
just as be started toward me his
hand went down. expected instant
ly to be shot down.
t.1Eoc to u,o tobipr voup
AS intently, sir, as any two men
ever watched each other in their
lives,''
why did you shoot right thenS"
because | expected to be shot"
AFTER you shot him the first time,
what happenedo"
Senator .Talbird sprang in between
us and threw up, l think, his left
hand, and said, This thing has got
to stop right here He looked at me,
an5 looked back at Mr.. Gonzales. Mr..
Gonzales came on past me to the
corner. He never did take his hands
out of his pockets"
Before Senator Taloird got in be-
tween you, could you have shot
again?"
Yes, sir, of course"
why didn't you?"
Because Mr.. Gonzales did not re-
turn my fire was expecting him to
do. When I fired l did not know
whether the pistol had worked or not
and 1 threw the barrel over my over
coat sleeves and I was expecting Mr..
Gonzales to fire on me and was fixing
to shoot again. He did not fire and l
took down my pistol.
Mr.. Tillman: Mr.. Gonzales has
stated in one Of these declarations, or
it is said he stated what be said,
: Shoot again, you coward. :"
well, sir, I regret to say that that
is untrue. Nobody else who was
around there ever heard such a re-
mark. l know I didn't. Senator
Taloird was the man who was closest
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