The times dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1903-1914, 1903-11-20

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cnen and In making himself agreeable
to them. Not d, dollar OF IT. won't for
! lleBitimnte purposes. q AZ. 4. Il
The Boyd-Newton syndicate had with
drawn because It was proposed to make
the tax clause Of the franchise burden
posed the granting Of the charter, and
the Ira action Company had also opposed
/, It. An arrangement with Captain Pizzinl
/, got the fotmersto re1ent, and tho latter
Kept ,op lighting until tho lion and -tho
lamb. laid down together.
socially. n the fight, though most Of It
was In trips 10 New York. II his lnfor--
nation was correct. 10000 or 400, 900 had
!, been spent Il" the matter. He got this
| Information from q recent. settlement be-
tween his company and Mr.. Fisher.
! DIDN'T KNOW no wv,
He read out one item OF 900. but
said by no means all OF 1t was for get
ting the franchise. lie thought tho
amount was S3500oo or 100000, but there
/ was q no entry to snow now " WIS. ex-
pondcd- In detail 1t was claimed that
such an amount had been sent here ard
witness did not think It had been so much
until recently. He thought MI. Fisher
might be able ID say how tho money
had been spent. He scnt 1t hcre and
claimed that It had been spent. Witness
| knew Of no money having been spent on
members Of tho Council.
He was famlfnr with the Traction fight
for the Main Street privileges. Witness
| said he had spent some money very fruit
lessly In that fight for tho Passenger and
| Power Company. Outside OF some smaller
amounts he had given Mr.. John u. Epps,
$500. E,
EIo understood from Mr.. W. r. Jenkins
that Mr. Epps represented himself and
other political leaders. who would help
him In his fight, and so he paid him the
5000.
IF you put anything through in the
city you have got to have tho Influence
| Of the politicians" said the witness.
my idea In paying this money was to
enlist the support of these leaders. who
would control tho Council. I had no such
vain hope as that. the Councilmen would
get any Of this money. knew these
gentlemen were not In the habit OF d.
vidnE.
As5To. MIR. EPPs.
II though Mr.. Epps was going to enlist
some others with him, but on this point
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that any one save those who were given
the money got any OF It. had no evil
| dence on which to base the belief that
any member OF the Council got any. Of It.
but we sometimes have opinions which
cannot be sustained by evidence. have
my own suspicious when large sums OF
| money are being expended" s1,s :,
| Here Mr.. Pollard and witness had quito
! a little colloquy. in which the former
Z, tried to get the latter to say directly
l whether or not he thought money had
/ been spent on Councilm en-. but he would
not, and Mr.. Minor took hira In hand
l and got but little more out rof him on
this line.
! rs Witness had on one occasion taken q
whole sra ft"s OF Councilnen to- New Y ork.
\ II had been when the counoil Mad sent
I a committee there sou the oity's business.
L. During the tendency o. the franchise
b fight It was an lnvariable rule to 80 with
the Street Committee to supper, but the
expenses were always paid pro rata BY
those present. III F.s7
Witness had gotten politicians to help
In tho franchise fight. but he had paid
4 them no largo sums. ..t a.
WITH MIR. POLLARD AGAIN.
Again examined by Mr.. Pollord wit
ness said his company had had nothing
before the Street Committee since the
l transfer fight last spring.
l One or two members OF the Council
had applied to his company for loans.
4 I'm June or July 1902. MIR. Mills came
70 my office; said Major Patton. sent him,
4 and asked mo II could maka him a
s loan Of two or three thousand dollars,
Major Patton said he had sent Mr.. Mills
1 to me because Mr.. Mills had said that II
the money was loaned he would be a
friend of the company. and do all he
could for them, The loan was declined
"Mr. West also made an application
! nd MT fo Ia
s In his printing business. and Mr.. Gould
{ wired i no. IN 'if ,.:
II don't think any other Councilman
mado application to borrow money from
u.s.
Witness explained that Messrs. Pollock
and Fuller had been asked by Mr.. w. +.
Reddy, now dead. to look after some
business for the company, and that when
1T had been done, witness had paid them
500, which he regarded as q, small foe.
Mr.. Pollock was mem Der Of the Coun-
ell, but Mr.. Reddy and not the company
! had employed him. Witness thought MI.
Mills was generally antagon!stic to his
company. He expressed the opinion In an
. swer to question that there was no way
OF getting Mr.. Fisher here to testify. and
that II he came he would not say any
thing Of Interest.
|
and said he had been president Of tie
Richmond Passenger and Power Com.
pany since its Organization.
Witness knew. nothing concerning the
alleged money for franchises or any for
political purposes whatever. He corrobo.
rated the testimony OF Major Martin AS
to the Mills matter. and said Mr.. Mills
had said he had always been very friendly
to- the company, and he thought they
< Should remember past favors. He did III,
remember the exact language used by
Mr.. Mills. though he thought he said
\ something about making the bonds
:. stronger between Mr.. Mills and the com
papy, File had said that he and his pa &
z nor had treated him very badly and tn
III Mr.. Fisher would let him have .the
money 1t would tie him even more ,losals
to the company than he had been IN ehe
past. He offered his wife as endorscr
A Mr. William Northrop auditor OF the
company, testified. but he knew lite