Daily Kennebec journal. [microfilm reel] (Augusta, Me.) 1870-1975, 1903-03-30

WAYS. The Cnalr Is 1Ilclneu 10 Iule
that the instructions to the committee
were for the sake of influencing the
House conferees to compel them to re-
cede and concur with the action of the
Senate Under our own rule, when the
report is made of a conference commit
lee no other action shall be had except
through another committee of confer
ence. The Chair is inclined to rule that
the motion 20 insist on the part Of the
Senate and to call for a committee of
conference would be in order, in order
to get the two bodies together. A mo-
ton to insist being in order, motion
to recede and concur would be in order.
That is the ruling of the Chair.
MIR. GOODWIN of Somerset: Mr.
President Speaking upon the point of
order, Under! the ruling of the Chair
there is apparently norway in'which WE
could kill the bill indafinitelytEest erday,
because we could not vote to adhere
and kill it in that way, because iparlia-
mentary courtesy demanded that we
should meet the. request of the House
for conference. Therefore we appoint
ed a committee of conference. Now
the orflysway in which the Senate might
nave Stfi-iipGtt il5 itllOll VI dppIOkdl OI
disapprovI upon the measure for all
time and prevent it from being brought
up, today, in the absence of senators
was by instructins those conferees fl
natly that they should not agree with
the contcreeS of the House and then
by refusing to reconsider that the mo-
ton, which. absolutely killed the meas
ure. That vas the action of the Sen
ate, yesterday. Now we cannot under
our rules do indirectly what we cannot
do directly; and having directly killed
the measure, yesterday, how can we,
today, bring it up indirectly? There is
no reflection in what l have to say in
any way, shape or manner; but of
course the Wise thing to do is to fix the
parliamentary status for all time to
come. This is Il parliamentary ques-
ton. The Chair has his views. The
secretary of the Senate may have his
views, and members may have theirs.
w are trying to establish precedentS
that shall be guiding star for the Sen
ate and House; and therefore, for the
purpose of getting an expression upon
this parliamentary question | shall ask
to take an appeal of the Senate from
the ruling of the Chair. 1 understand
that it in no way affects the main ques-
ton or the ruling of, the Chair.
The PRESIDENTS: Pending the appeal
the Chair will take the liberty to reply
informally, without taking informally the
suggestions made by the senator from
way yesterday in which the bill could have
been finally disposed of: There was a
way. The Senate could have voted to ad-
1ere. The Senate today can move to adj
mere. and If they see fit to adhere can
finally kill the bill today. That is the par
iamentary status as the Chair under
stands 1t. The Senate has not voted Gi-
rectly to adhere. A motion to recede be.
fore you concur takes precedence to a mo
ton to adhere. Likewise, a motion to in
sist. If either of these motions are made
and voted down. then the Senate can take
up a motion to adhere and finally dispose
Of the bill-move to reconSider-vote that
hands of the Senate, without any appeal
from the Chair, in the Senate, for instance
upon these motions.
Mir. GARDNER of Penobscot: Mr.. Presi-
dent, trust that the ruling of our preSld-
ing officer will be sustained and l hope
that the senators in this body, after hav-
ing witnessed through these whole pro-
ceedingS the painStakng care with which
our presiding officer has treated all queS-
5ions, think am frank in assuming thai
no presiding officer who has filled this
chair for many years has been more pains
taking or has exercised greater care than
our present presiding officer as to ruling
judicially and fairly; and | trust the rui-
ing of the Chair will be sustained The
suggestions Of the senator from SomeTSe;
that there is no way OF finally settling the
matter does not seem to me correct, be-
cause we should be obliged on every call
for a committee. for the sake of courtesy
to grant that committee. | think if the
other branch of this Legislature went to
extreme lengths and called unreason2bly
many times for committee of conference
that the sense Of this Senate would not
grant it, and I think it is an inference
which is not tenable. | hope the ruling OF
che Chair will he sustained and that the
cody will have q chance to vote directly
either 10 recede and concur with the House
IN their action or to adhere to their for
mer action.
The PRESIDENT: The question is on
the motion of the senator from Somerset,
Mr. Goodwin. i think there is a technical
form which the Chair will state in order
hat the record may be correct. The form
Of the question is: Shall the decision OF
fhe Chair stand as the judgment of the
Senate? All senators in favor that the de-
cision of the Chair shall stand as the de-
cision of the Senate will say aye; all OPP
POSED no.
The vote being taken the Chair declared
the appeal sustained
Mr.. GARDNER of Penobscot Mr.. Pres
dent | now move that the Senate receIo
and concur with the House in this matter
Mr.. GOODWIN of Somerset: Mr. PreSi-
dent, there is a great deal to be said Upon
this question, this morning, as to whether
we shall recede and concur with the House
II granting TINS appropriation. 1eSterdaN,
We emphatically refused to grant it. Now
there can be no reason why the motion
should be brought up today. except tia;
some secret influence, which | know MOI
Of. has been brought to bear upon indi
vidllal members of the Senate. 1t seems
10 me, confronted as we are by the stag
serng proposition advanced by the Gov
erncr, himself, today, in his veto message
20 the House. that any senator in this
body who votes to grant this appropriation
votes contrary to the instructions of the
Governor. sent down in his veto message
not more than half an hour ago to the
House. I hold that message in my hand,
senator's; and that message L want to read
10 you:
state of Maine Executive Cham
her To the Hon. House of Representa-
tives: | have examined the resolve in ia
tor of the town of Fort Kent for the sum
If $500. / return the same herewith, with
cut. my approval, and desire to submit fol
your consideration some facts and figures
in relation to State finances"
The Governor has submitted for
our consideration some facts ana
figures in relation to State finances
N consideration of his veto Oh
the bridge matter of $500: ESTIMATED in
come of the State for 1908, 81 100000, and
for 1904 approximately S2000,009, a total Of
"a, 100 GOO. Appropriations already made
and pending aggregate over $iG50,000-
S5!C 600 increase over the amount appro-
oriated by the 10th Legislature and more
than that Legislature appropriated for the
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