The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1903-06-28
THE REAL PRESENCE.
Discussed Tr0ul the Protestant and the
Raplsp Catholic Points Of View.
nv A poNAN CATHo 7, pAIEaT


Discussed Erom the Protestant and the
Rarnau Catholic Points Of View.
AZ A ROMAN cATHo II PRIEST.
To The EnI1oE OF THE SuN--Sir: The Row.
r. C. Filliashsm tails the readers Of TNx SrN
that no did not steal tina censacrated wafer
which he exhibited at several public meetings.
I take his word When you give boy some
food for u sick person. and hs appropriates II
for his own Use and benefit he may say. II did
not steal II; Itook IT. Ihave heard OF Roman
lot theologians splitting hairs. but this beats
the cutting Of the Ions which 60 to make q
hydrogen atom.
When tha braxen serpent OF the old story,
writes the reverend gentleman. became an
object Of worship. the holy King destroyed II:
and when the wafer becomes an object Of
worship am justified In holding 1t up to con-
tempt" You are perfectly justified In so doln e
II you know the wafer Ia not the body Of
Christ. We shall see Immediately that you
can know nothing about H. The Rltualists
In England, he states. are dishonest In
this country q H,au ls considered Innocent
till his guilt is proved. Let US have proof.
THE Rltuallsts take the money Of Protes-
tant Church. church which was reformed to
get rid Of the doctrine Of the Real Presence. "
Who gave the rerormers the right to reform
Let us have proof. And II they had not. have
pot the Rltuallsts to-day Just as good right
to reform the Protestant church, Now.
Brother dillingham;. please throw ray Of
light on this subject.
Christ was not tho helpless creature your
correspondents proclaim Him to have been, "
says Mr.. dillingham;. There was not any
quest ion OF Christ's hclplessness. The ques-
ton was: IL 1t absurd to ray that gentle
In, ttyn ruT ~,
because gentleman Of color carried Him
PIP q the temple na the nf fs rent p 'G
He permitted the one why may He not have
permitted the other?
tional and absurd. I.oeicians tell us that
denied YhsI1ePss, You; h.o.heT; to proys
lot rpsSrseep,ibc to Tho senses Anunss ons
ayo said that substance Ia disce-ned by the
Intellect. and not by the sense AVID he spoke
assure us that the idea Of subs tance como.
from intuition, not from experience: Fara,
Has tell Us atom 4ssn BaF an sn
Is limited 10 ideas Of lts powers Tn" pow erss
We know and recognize in every phenom-
S 'ss Of 'a. % S. ss
forces. All the rest is only imaGination,
-, If y2p place piece Of wheaton bread on
nounces the words OF conservation. Christ
Is present after the words are pronounced.
How can the reverend gentleman say Christ
anything Of substnnc If he cannot prove
that the substance Is there before consecra-
n how s sTs o
senses, the species Of brend is present in the
Eucharist, but under the species Of bread
dc Of
t y 70 Tie phepomsna. ana never to the
Chemical analysis gives only sensible phe-
nomenn. BY the light Of reason alone.
therefore. we cannot .affirm or deny what the
Catholic Church teaches on the subject of the
AHGM,tins make: S,is, t between ct th:
visible or sensible hodv If bread in tran
non.sensible that is ira rs ubstam,iated The
stance Or in the intelirible body; hence We
Newman says that transubstantintion is
difficult is impossible to ina sino but he had
no di'ncuity in believing IL when, h. recog;
that she declares this doctrine to be part o,
the original revelation. cannot prove It.
b. s .Sc n ssp Ss W ss hsM 70 b0ds,
IL What do, know Of matter or substance;
Just as much as the greatest philosopher =
and that is nothing at al Tsan ;n
thing about. the material substances them.
selves. In like manner what do | know
abstract s idea Of three is incompstipie viii
nv idea OF one but when come TO question
Of concrete fact I have no means Of pro vina
three can be eoually predicated Of tho Incom.
municahle God. Hence science cannot sa,
ANYTHING on the Real Pr"scnce Of Chris,
If Mr.. Flllngham knows what matter is. /
think he ia bound TO enliahtcn those who si'
in darkness snd in the shadow OF error.
8. E, in his great book on physics. writes
As physicists We are forced TO say that. while
somewhat has been learned as to the prop
same How, then, can the reverend sentie
mere es @. M b hs Knows on onosh
O. Theology" AYERS, at ns;Ge 22s. that tn,
ScG Of sns
are millions in the world o-day who believ,
transubst antiation: there are millions wht
mon. Mho SesvS !" a rneae
think the Rev Mr. Fiineham il not Yer,
complimentary To- all those millions Of HI
fellow creature; in denouncing their belle
There Tns R, ds.e d. ne,Te,
an infinite distanc. between II and man
Distance is conceivable only with the ideG o
measurement Now. measurement suppose
a starting point TO measure from. hence, dis
lance cannot be infinite. Inanite distanc,
Is infinite nonsense tATHoLlcrs
TRENTON. June 80.
To TIE EDITOR OF THE SrS--Sr: A. tn
writer understands tha Ritualists there ar
two cardinal points in their belief. viz, first
that Christ lie really or bodily present in tn
bread and wine Of the Communion. or Mass
after conservation, which belief il trnnsub
sanitation: ana. second. that the Holy Com
munion. called by them the Mass. is an nctua
sacrifice; both these being dosmas of tn
Holy Roman Church, against which We Prot
estants protest as errors.
A to the first dogma. II appears that whei
the first Communion or Mass was instituted
Christ was before the disciples in his morta
body intact; and a. this was before his resur
ree,tion it had not then been glorihed and wa.
mortal in every particular. and there is no evil
dence in the Gospel taat any rart OF that ther
mortal body passed into the bread and wine
and that they became changed in substance
into veyitnble body and blood " such ar
act had occurred would not 50 stnpendous
a miracle have been recorded as certainly
ar the Observation-Disclosures Of the water into
vcritable wine at the marriage in Cana oil
Galiioe: Hence tho pertaking Of Christ r