The Savannah morning news. (Savannah, Ga.) 1900-current, 1903-11-19
in VIGOROUS TALKS
CONGRESSNIEN GIVE THEIR VIEWS
ON THE CUBAN BILL.
QUIPS,R0ASTS AND PROPHECY
MADE UP INTERESTING FEATURES
OF THE DEBATE.

Whole Country.
Washington, Nov. 1S.-The opposi-
ton to the Cuban bill was heard in the
House to-day and in vigorous speeches.
The features of the day were the
speeches of Mr.. Grosvenor of Ohio, who
opened the discussion in advocacy of
the bill, and of Mr.. Fordney Repub-
lican, of Michigan, who spoke in op-
position. Mr.. Grosvenor spoke for
more than an hour during which he
was frequently interrupted by quas-
lions, emanating from the Democratic
side.
Mr.. Fordney and two of his Republic
can colleagues from Michigan spoke in
opposition to the bill. Mr.. Fordney
emphatically expressed his disapprovaI
of the measure. Among others who
spoke in opposition to the bill were
Messrs. Shafroth of Colorado, Burgess
of Texas and Bell of California, Dem
ocrats, and Messrs. McMorran and
Loud. the latter two Republicans from
Michigan.
The debate will close tomorrow and
vote will be taken at O'Clock
Mr.. GrosVenor observed that nothing
would be more destructive than to have
the Democrats come into power, but
that was impossible for the next two
years. Replying to the remarks of
Mr.. Swanson of Virginia, he said there
need be no fear of retaliation from a
country which could not live ninety
days without purchasing food suppnes
from the outside.
Sees Virtue in But One.
Answering a statement made by Mr..
Clark of Missouri as to conditions ex-
listing when Mr.. Cleveland went in as
President, Mr.. Grosvenor said: I'm
mediately upon the election of CleVe-
land there was practically a suppress
sion of the income of the revenues of
the government into the treasury of
the United States. 1t was natural and
inevitable. 1t would happen again If
somebody other than Roosevelt should
be elected President next year.
While speaking of the prospects for
the Democratic party, Mr.. Clark of
Missouri asked If Mr.. Grosvenor knew
that of the nineteen men convicted, six
teen were Republicans.
Il don't know" replied Mr. Gros-
venor, but if that is true, it don't
speak well for the fairness of the adj
ministration of justice" Loud APP
plause followed on the Repu blican side.
GrOsvenOr's Political Forecast.
Mr.. Grosvenor, replying to the state
ment of Mr.. Clark of Missouri as to
the probability of the Democrats gain
ing control of the next Congress and
electing the next President, said he
would show what the result would he
The Democrats. he said, would carry
hama talr
Louisiana, Mississippi Missouri, North
Carolina, South Carolina. Tennessee,
Texas and Virginia.
Mr. Sulzer of New York: And you
might add New York"
Mr.. Grosvenor: "I might add Ohio,
but l won't" daughter on Republi-
can side.) He said the Democrats
would find some fighting ground in Del
aware and Idaho possibly; Maryland.
he said was in doubt, Montana some
what doubtful. "T put New York in
this column against my own iudg-
ment," he said, adding that If the
Democrats do not carry New York
city by double the vote given Mr.. Nc
Clellan they would be defeated in that
state.
He said this gave the Democrats 151
votes, and So doubtful. He then named
the following as Republican states:
California, Colorado. Connecticut. Illi-
nois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Maine.
Michigan Minnesota, Massachusetts,
Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jer-
sey, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylva-
mia, Rhode Island, South Dakota. YER
mont, Washington, West Virginia, Wis
consin, Wyoming, with total of 1853
votes.
Answering Mr.. Swanson's statements
as to retaliation by Russia, Great
Britain and other countries. Mr.. Gros-
veror said he will take care of Russia,
saying she is our friend; also take care
of England, remarking that she has
good sense.
II VIII Help Cotton Trade.
Mr.. Richardson of Alabama said the
benefit to the cotton industry of the
South, which will result from the 40
per cent. reduction of the cotton goods
schedule in the Cuban treaty, was the
reason for his support. There are
other interests involved in the treaty
besides sugar. The South, he said,
had creased the number of her cot
ton spindles in the last two years
three times the increase of spindles in
Great Britain, and New England COM
bined. Commercial expansion of our
foreign trade is what we need. and
must have. The isthmian canal is our
earnest hope.
Mr. Fordney reviewed the history Of
the beet sugar industry pointing out
how it would be injured by the pass
age of the bill. Continuing, he said:
Some one has said that it makes no
difference whether you put this meas
ure into law or not. If that is so,
why was f. F. Atkins of Boston here
nearly two years ago? Why was that
-" (here Mr.. Fordney used adjectives
which are considered libelous in most
newspapers)-"Thu here been
here, as he has, sneaking around this
capitol ever since have been in
Congress-who afterward admitted that
he was paid by the sugar trust, and
lied when before the Committee on
Ways and Means, when the gentleman
from Minnesota (Mr. Tawney) asked
him if he had received any money
from HaVemeyer of the sugar trust in
any way, shape, or manner, and he
said no, but few days later, when
placed upon oath, testified that he had
received money from Havemeyer. and
also that he had received money d.
rectly from Maj. Gen. Wood, military
governor Of Cuba"
Wood Gave Him 100000.
Mr. Fordney said he wanted to criti-
else Maj. Gen. Wood, for II had been
proved that he had extracted from
chose poor starving Cubans' $4,000
which he had paid to Thurber to In
fuence legislation.
"Oh, what an action by a high Of
lcial," continued Mr.. Fordney; The