Evening journal., 1902-01-29

s4lso received lists Of names Which
We're attached to subpoenas later and
were not saved. He also received a
report OF the morning of April Is,
which declared that the house at III
Market street had been closed. The
Chief also said that much Of his time
was occupied in the Office and he was
compelled to depend largely upon the
men for information of what was going
on on their districts, unless something
should come to his own personal
knowledge and he made an investiga-
ton. He explained that it was the
+ custom in making a raid for gamblers
to get the evidence in hand flrst.if pos
sible. but If this could not be done. to
wait until the people were there and
make a raid in hope of getting them.
This was not done in the case Of the
Eleventh street house because he
wanted the evidence. 1t is no trouble
at all to make a raid but it is hard to
get evidence to convict after the raid
has been made.
The chief explained that when Will
liam NJ. Pyle was president of the PO-
lice Commission he came to the City
Hall almost every day and looked over
reports. Frequently he passed upon
matters and after Mr.. Pyle retired the
chief explained that he had a freer
hand in the management Of the police
force. The CHIEF also denied that he
had gone around trying to get evidence
against Officer McGillon when McGil-
Ion was on trial. Mr.. Nields then
asked:
Chief. Mr.. Martin yesterday narrated
to this board an occurrence in regard
to persons coming to this city and
talking to you: will you state to these
4 commissioners precisely what you
know of that occurrence from begin
ming to end?
That is in regard to those men who
wanted to come in here with policy?
Exactly
In the beginning OF that. while / did
not know anything about It, one even
ing J. ID. Carter and myself were
walking along King street II was
dark. l met Mr.. Carter some place be-
tween my house and Tenth and King.
Right at this side of Tenth street we
heard, as passing along, a person say,
Hello. there. How are you?"
4 looked around and it was Harvey
. Vandegrift. He said: Hold on until l
make you acquainted with a friend of
mine" He introduced me to a man
by the name of Dillon / introduced
Mr.. Garter. OF course. we accepted the
introduction. merely passed the time of
day or something of that kind and
passed on. did not know that this
man was a policy man or anything
about It. There was nothing said. So
sometime after that Mr. Martin called
at my house when | was home to lunch.
He came to see me for a moment. /
invited him in and he says: These
people want to know if you can do
little better than that. They do not
think that the thing is just square and
would like to know if you cannot do a
little better and the amount. | did
not say anything to him for a minute.
said. Mr.. Martin if you will be kind
enough TO tell me what you are talk.
ing about / will answer you. He was
surprised and then he informed me
there were two men stopping at the
Hotel Wilmington and that Harvey
Nandegrilt had been with them. He
told me that he was a particular friend
of mine and that he had been arrang-
ing between himself and myself for
these men for policy and he had sew
eral conversations. had conversations
over the phone with me- so he said
and he told them that he would have
to give me so much money at that time
or the whole affair would be called of
think the amount was five hundred
dollars.
Who is to receive the five hundred
dollars.
He was trying to gel five hundred
dollars TO say | wanted it,
He was speaking to whom over the
telephone.
He said he was talking to me.
In the presence of these men?
That was my understanding. / told
Mr. Martin that was the first / had
heard of it, did not know that the
men were here. He says They do
not like the way he was treating them
so that they were going to leave"
do not like TO be quoted in that way
and said | would like to square my
self with them or anybody else.
would like TO tell them. if could. that
] don't know anything about The trans
action that they may have had with
Mr.. Vandegrift. He said: They are
going away this afternoon, | said
1 would like to see them if l could but
! says, | am going away myself about
that time. | had to go to Philadel
phia about some reports. So he saiC
he would go to Philadelphia and would
arrange it 80 that | could see them
So l won't to Philadelphia that after
noon.
With Martin?
No. ] met him in Philadelphia anC
he took me. ] think il is the Hanover
House. at Twelfth and Arch, there t
meet these men Mr. Dillon and a mar
by the name Of McGowan: neve
saw him before They related TO ms
the. transaction and / told them it wal
the first ! had heard of it when Mr.
Martin made the statement to me. an,
! wanted them to understand that
knew nothing about it, Il was thoi
that they made the proposition
What proposition
IL