Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1902-05-21
SPIRITED COLLOQUY
Animated Session Of Senate
Committee.
NOT DU.M-DUM BULLETS
CARTRIDGES EXHIBITED BY COR
PoRAL o'BRIEN.
Gen. Crozier Says That They Were the
Regulation Administrations
the Philippine Committee.

States ITOIu the 1nlllpplne -lSldUQS Dy corp.
o Brien OF the 26th Volunteer Infantry
were on exhibition before the Senate COM
mittee on the Philippines today, and Corp.
O'Brien was there to identify them. as also
was Gen. VIM. Crozier, chief of the bureau
Of ordnance, who was called for the pur-
pose of making a general statement con-
corning the effect Of Krag-Jorgensen bull
lets upon the human body. The cartridges
were similar to those which O'Brien said
had been used by Company NJ in its cam
paign in the Philippines, and the effect of
which had, he told the committee, been
such as to convince him that they were OF
the ''dum-dum'' or explosive variety. He
had told the committee that he had brought
belt full of the cartridges from the Phil
ippines, and that they were at his home in
North Adams, and in accordance with the
committees request he wrote his father,
questing him to forward to him three or
four of them for the of the committee.
He produced the bullets and answered ques-
tons concerning them.
Three of the cartridges We're in evidence,
and in response to questions the witness
said that these balls were the same as those
which had, as he had stated in his testl-
mony. had cruel and decorating effect.
l1e said that according to his opinion, the
cartridges are different from the regular
Krag-Jorgensen bullet, in that the latter
had stamped upon them the letters ~. s."
Inc heSu1dC1On cartridges.
At this point Mr.. O'Brien was excused
and General Crozier was introduced to tes-
tify concerning the character Of the car
tridges on exhibition. He examined the
cartridges, saying that they did not from
appearances. differ from the ordinary regu-
lation cartridges, and were not different I'M
less they had been tempered with. He said
that o Brien was not correct in saying the
regular krag-JOrgenSen cartridge wears the
imprint of the letters "U. S." upon 1t, but
that all such cartridges carry the first let
ter of the arsenal at which they are made
and the month in figures and the year of
manufacture. He found those letters and
figures on the cartridges exhibited Asked
II they were "dum-dum." or explosive bull
let's. the witness replied In the negative.
They are perfectly normal bullets he
said
Effect Like "Dum-Dum" Bullets.
In reply to questions from Senator Gull
berson, General Crozier said the regulation
Krag-Jorgensen bullet often has practically
the same effect as "dum-dum' or ex-
plosive bullet, but that this effect was not
always dependent upon distance. He re-
lated Instances Of laceration which had
come under his own observation In support
of this statement. He attributed the effect
to the pushing out Of the blood and tissue
by the bullet. He explained that dunn
uuin outlets COulO De maze Dy ming
through the steel covering of the lead Of
ordinary cartridge, thus permitting the
lead to be exposed. This could be done. he
said. In five minutes. the effect of a wound
by such bullet being the same as that
produced by larger bullet.
He also said that no explosive bullets had
been issued since the ST. Petersburg con-
vention of 1868. General CroZer then re-
moved the leaden bullets from the car
tridges and after having made an eXam!na-
ton of them ne stated that they had not
been tempered with and were perfectly nor
NAL. He said they were such cartridges as
are issued to all the American troops
O'Brien Closely Questioned.
When General Crozier was excused
O'Brien was recalled and closely questioned
by Senator Beveridge concerning some OF
the points of his former testimony, espec-
ally with reference to his (O'Brien's)
charge that number Of American officers
had violated the person of a Spanish wo-
man at the time the town of Igabaras was
burned.
The purpose Of the senator's cross ques-
tioning to break down the former
statement and he went into very minute
details. The witness could not remember
whether the husband when he told h m Of
the crime had given the name of any Of
ficers connected with it. He had stated,
however that there were four of them en-
gagged in the affair.
Questions by the senator brought out the
fact that there were then just four Amer
lean officers in the town Of Igabaras.
consequently said the senator. ''if the
statements made by the woman's husband
are true, these four men are guilty of the
crime charged.
The witness assented to this inference.
He related that some of the privates had
told him of their relations with the woman.
He did not remember the names of these
men, but he gave the names of two pri-
Yates being those whom he thought had
L Mt. r.
a great deal of discussion between himself
and Senator Beveridge, and among the
different members of the committee.
When the names had been given, Senator
Patterson protested. saying that to COM
pei the witness to mention them under
the circumstances and in view Of his pro-
test, was a grave injustice to the men
whose names had thus been dragged in.
To this remark Senator Lodge retorted
that he believed that instead Of doing an
injustice the committee was on the road to
doing justice.
A Warm Exchange.
This statement caused Senator Patterson
to say. with evident appearance of warmth,
that the attitude Of Senator Lodge had
been that Of menace toward the witness
ever since he had taken the stand.
MY attitude responded Senator Lodge,
has not been any more that Of menace Of
the witness than your attitude has been
that of defense Of him"
Mr.. Patterson-"I deny the imputation"
Mr.. Lodge-"And 1 deny that / have In
any way attempted to menace the wit
ness"
At this point Senator Dietrich entered the
controversy by charging Senator Patterson
with having done all that he could to injure
the army. and with having done nothing to
protect and preserve Its good name.
Resents the Statement.
Mr.. Patterson resented this statement.
He had previously arisen from his seat, and
he now walked back and forth in the rear
end of the committee room. half circling
the long committee table, as he replied, in
sharp and angry tones, to the remark of
the Nebraska senator
The senator from Nebraska" he said
should be ashamed of himself He knows
that the truth Is exactly contrary with
what he has stated, and that what he has
said Is absolutely and positively untrue"
Senator Dietrich: Il know that what I
nave said Is true and 1 repeat that the SEN
ators effort has been to bring out every
thing he could against the army"
Senator Patterson: 1.-The senator should
be ashamed to make such a statement No