The Savannah morning news., 1902-06-01
HOAR AND SPOONER
INTERESTING DEBATE ON PHILIP.
PINES.
ROTH POSITIONS PRESENTED.
MR.. sPooNER TAKES FIVE HOURS
TO CONCLUDE.

Joints in His ArmOr Easily Found
NV senator HOar-A Decided Con-
Aict of Opinion Between Both as TO
the Facts and the Merits of the
Case-Harsh Orders of Early Puri-
tans Quoted as Justification for
,tisdeeds of Their Descendants of
To-day.
Washington, May 31.-Mr. Spooner
occupied nearly five hours of to-day's
session in concluding his speech begun
IN Thursday. His eloquence and earn
estness attracted the attention of all
senator's and of hundreds of occupants
4 of the crowded galleries. He did not
4 believe in the admission of the Phil
4 inpines to the union as states, but in
the conduct of the islands nothing
4 savoring of Imperialism had, he said.
been suggested except for party pur-
poses.
Il have not been in favor of per-
h manent dominion over the Philippines"
4 said Mr.. Spooner, but I do not mean
by that that I have been in favor of
the United States running away like a
4 coward or abandoning a people who
lave come under our protection or
surrenderng them to tyranny, anarchy
and chaos"
Mr.. Spooner declared that there was
\ little or no similarity between the con-
ditions in Cuba and those in the Phil
3 ippnes.
Those senator's he said, "who can
not see the difference between the Phil
ippnes and Cuba, have some sort Of
mental strabismus."
If Congress had recognized the in
dependence of the Filipinos," he said,
INSTEAD of being there as we are now.
with a title which the Supreme Court
of the United States says is complete.
a which the Senate has accepted as COM
n plete, which Congress paid for as COM
plete which the world recognizes as
complete, which gives US the power to
81 do what is generous and noble and
right and uplifting to that people, we
would be there on the shifting sands Of
contract with a former tyrant. I think
that God has saved us from that I'M
utterabe folly"
MIR. HOar's Pertinent Inquiry.
Later Mr.. Hoar inquired If the in
n habtants of the Philippines were not
81 people where there were millions of
men, acting togetheE who raised an
army, selected a general, turned Spain
out of all territory except the city Of
Manila and who had agreed upon a
constitution, republican in form.
They would be a people," replied
n Mr.. Spooner, IF that were true"
1t is true" said Mr.. Hoar.
ri Il deny it," said Mr.. Spooner. II
ri deny that there is any more than SUI
Ia perfCial truth in it."
He referred to the Filipino army as
n a collection of miscellaneous persons
who now constituted bands of bandits
" and cutthroats.
Mr.. Spooner said Aguinaldo had a
81 government of 'proclamations, of con-
lscations and assassinations: and the
evidence all shows it,"
Mr.. Spooner quoted from a diary to
show that Aguinaldo had said once the
independence of the Philippines was
declared he (Aguinaldo) and his friends
would take trip to Europe with an
NJ allowance Of $1,000, 900 for expenses. Mr..
IA Spooner referred to the last presiden-
tlal campaign, and the candidacy of Mr.
Bryan and to the assertions of the Fill
lpino leaders that the success of the
democracy meant the independence of
Inc Philippines. and then, after saying
mat the American people had passed
~ AiAllPElnG QuSSllOU dL Tic
n polls, added:
You cannot charge upon the ratifi-
cation OF the treaty, nor upon the send
ing OF our army to the philippines all
the oloodshed or all the cruelties that
came to that army"
Had Examples of Puritans.
referring to Gen. Smiths order, for
me Killing of all inhabitants of Samar
ABOVE ten years of age, Mr.. Spooner
quoted the wittieism that the Pilgrims,
oH iandlng, first fell upon their knees
as then upon the Indians. He read
from statute of Massachusetts of 1922,
Gnerlng a reward of f10O for every male
!nalan scalp, IL years old and upward,
a. ana OIL 100 for the scalp of those killed
IN battle. Mr.. Hear interrupted to
say that the Puritans had bought
ana paid for every foot of land ac-
quIed from the Indians and that the
statute of 1922 was cruel and barbar-
Do you approve of IL" he demand
e. when at the beginning of the
swenueth century you make it a prece-
I think" said Mr.. spGoner, that
our fathers bought the lands of the In
ulans in Massachusetts and then pro-
ceeded to buy their scalps."
A"other ShOt From Mr.. Hoar.
M Will agree" retorted Mr.. Hoar,
mat this policy which the Senator
ueIends in the Philippines is well sup
ported by all the wicked precedents
which can be found in the lives of
good men," Oaughter.)
senator's" declared Mr.. SpoNner.
VINO denounce our policy in the hll-
lppnes in general language, on \ev
pdTe testimony ought not to for&t
mat our forebears (brave men in way
oiso found it necessary to resort IL
war to what, in time of peace. no mar
ou earth would approve"
Does the senator approve of tina
Vruer demanded Mr. Hoar, Gin wa
or in peace?"
O. IL 1t were necessary" said Mr.
ri opooner, ito make the order in Massa
enussetts so that the Pilgrim Nigh
polect his home from destruction, hi
HIe from debauchery and his children
ION cruelty, / would have done wha
say?" ''''0
HOar's Ancestor Opposed 1t.
=, II never was necessary to do It,,
alr. Hoar declared. 1T was a base AM
,~lGked order and when the senate
t.hs Of forebears I am happy to sa,
Ial the man of that generation VIII
81 ,15 my name incurred obloquy an
VI ,s4lgnities through resisting thing
as do now" (Applause).
nj q, @t' spooner said to Mr.. Hoar tina
ss ald not believe his party was RICH
~ could not act with them, he woul
me Tor the other party.
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