The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1902-12-10
INCREASE in
ATTENDANCE
Industrial Department of the
National Civic Federation.
GROVER CLEVELAND PRESENT
OBSTRUCTION OF OUTPUT, THE
SUBJECT DISCUSSED.
GROVER CLEVELAND PRESENT

NJ EW YORK, Dec 9.-The second
Y days meeting of the industrial
department of the National Civic
Federation began today with "a large
attendance. Ex-President Cleveland
was one. of the early arrivals He and
Senator Hanna spent some time in con-
Versation, after which the former met
number of other friends. On enter
ing the hall he was greeted with ap-
plause. Immediately after his entrance
Chairman Hanna called the meeting to
order.
Several of Mr. Moseley's party Of
English labor leaders were present. The.
subject for discussion was Restriction
of Output" and the first speaker was
John r. Halsey.
Mr.. Halsey's topic was THE Premium
Method of Payment He said: THE
system of premium payment is in
sense intended to split the difference
between day work and piece work BY
that l mean it has at bottom a rate
of payment per day just like day work,
Dut above that is placed an additional
premium dependent upon the amount of
output. the net result being that the
employees pay increases with the out
put, but not so rapidly as the output.
In that respect il differs from piece
work alone
Opposed to Piece Work.
James O'ConneH. president of the In.
ternational Association of Machinists,
Followed Mr.. Halsey and opposed the
piece work and premium propositions.
Mr.. Gompers said, in answer to a
question Mr.. Rainsford had addressed
to Mr.. Halsey. that the question in
America is no longer the limitation Of
the number of apprentices who learn "A
trade, but the limitation of the number
who learn an infinitesimal part of a
trade. The reason why some of the
manufacturing concerns of this coun-
try send TO Germany and to other Eu-
rOpean countries to obtain men for
their shops and factories. is because
they can there obtain men who under
stand an entire trade; while in this
country the men know only a small
part of a trade. Mr.. CfOmpers said he |
would be opposed to trade schools. but |
would be heartily in favor of manual |
training schools.
Lewis Nixon. president of the Shin 1
Building company. said ne objected to /
the distinction made at the meeting be- I
tween the employer and workers. He /
wished it known that the employers 1
also were workers. In America. he'll
said, the employer works with the en-
ploye instead of over him. When the 1
men come to the employer and says to 4
him that they want more pay. there is I
occasion for each side to get together /
and consider the situation of each 1
other.
Employer Has Problems.
The employer has his problems to I
solve and the wOrkmen should be will |
ing to consider these. too.
Il don't believe in giving the men
what they may not want he said. IF |
one wishes to give something, a library |
or what not. figure it out and give it TO
the men in increased wages and in
shorter hours
Mr.. MOseley protested against the
made by Mr.. Nixon that
drink was necessary to the workers of
England, Mr.. Nixon replied that he
had been in England and the laborers
there had told him they had to drink to
do their work, and he took their word
for IT,
George II. Barbour of Detroit. presi-
dent Of the National Association Of
discussed the shorter
hour question from the standpoint of
the manufacturer.
would never oppose the eight hour
Dill, he said. IF its effect could ne
universal. But 1t would affect preju-
5icially the interests of certain manu-
facturers without affecting others
The meeting adjourned until tomor-
row.