The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1902-10-24

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should make me the defendant IN the
cass. and then put mo On the stand.
Dr.. Hawthorne: am not making you
tho defendant, any more than am the
other witnesses I am going to introduce.
ajor Howard: think he ought to M
troduce them first, and catechise them.
But have no objection to making before
this Board the statement made pc
fore the committee
MT. Bosher: I think Major Howard
should use his own discretion: ne neeo
not incriminate himself
Commissioner Welsh: You have no
other statement to make than you made
to the Board.
Or. Hawthorne: Did you make the
same statement to any minister OF the
Gospel In the city?
Major Howard: talked with my own.
rector.
Or. Hawthorne: Did you or not tell
him that you had the name OF every
house OF Ill fame in the city: that you
had the name OF every inmate In those
houses, not only the assumed name out
the real name: that you were IN com
munlcation from time to time with them.
and that they averaged three to tne
house?
Major Howard: I don't recollect that
1 said they averaged three to a mousse
that it not correct. Z.
DR.. Hawthorne: It is a. peculiar thing
that the witnesses summoned here should
decline to testify. What is going TO De
the construction which the public puts
on that sort Of thing? do not suppose
that Major Howard has ever done any
thing in this matter that he Is asha
Of or that is dshonorable. and has sacteu
from what he believed to be the Wlsest
policy, and I am not trying to make
criminal of him. but want TO say lnal
h this Police Department has made a ms
take-a serious mistaken not enforcing
the statutes in reference to these houses
of i'll fame.
Mayor Taylor: Every witness who tes-
titles has got to swear to It.
Commissioners Landerkin: believe you
stated that you understood that the state
ment that came from Major Howard was
made to his pastor. DR.. Goodwin. l
think it would be proper before Major
Howard is called upon to call IN Dr'
Goodwin to state exactly what he sara.
DR.. Hawthorne: Why not let Major
Howard make his statement FIRST. ana see
if it is corroborated by DR.. Goodwin.
Major Howard: Let him make his state
ment first, and see If corroborate MN.
DR.. Hawthorne: All, see the differ
ence. The Board should summon the
committee of the City Council. You can
get two of them, Mr.. Harry Pollard ana
Mr.. Spence, the shoe man. l nave no
objection to DR.. Goodwin being called.
Commissioner Jacob: DR.. Hawthorne. 1t
seems that the gentlemen who invited
Dr. Hawthorne down here understood
from his sermon that he made the state.
mon there were $50 houses OF tll-fame
in Richmond. Do the papers correctly
report you. Doctor?
DR.. Hawthorne: Yes sir, made that
statement upon the authority of what I
heard in public. what heard from that
COMMITTEES. My recollection was 49, but
would like to have DR.. Goodwin sworn
DR. GOODWIN ON THE STAND.
DR.. r. a. Goodwin was called before
the Board and was duly sworn by the
chairman. DR.. Hawthorne asked him: Dr.
Goodwin. did you ever have any corver-1
sation with Major Howard, Chief of Po-
lice. in reference to houses Of ill-fame
in this city.
DR.. Goodwin: I have sir.
DR.. Hawthorne: Will you please relate
here, substantially, what you related at
the public meeting of the citizens here
in regard to that conversation.
s DR.. Goodwin: Yes, sir: was speaking
to Major Howard on that subject; told
him I had heard a great many reports
that there were in the locality near First
Street twenty-five OF thirty OF these places
within few. squanes and also the fur
thsr statement made that there were one
hundred and fifty in the city Major
Howard said: Yes, they are up there
He said: Yes, have been trying to
locate them where the police could keep
an eye upon lnen1. where they would
make little disturbance. In other words,
I think up there on Broad Street is the
best place to put them" He further said:
There is no question that disturbs the
Chiefs of Police at their annual meeting
or council more than that of what to do
with such houses" He went on to state
a case of a city where it was determined
that all these places should be driven out
according to the law, and they all scat
tered throughout the city: in one place
there was an apartment house, a four
story house; on the lower floor of the
house respectable family lived, on the
second was a house of i'll fame. on the
third another respectable family and on
the fourth another bad house. These
people all passed up and down together,
using the same elevator. He said: IF
I drive these people from there how do
I know they will not rent a house right
by YOU" He said: II know now where
they are, and I keep my eye upon
them I constantly get letters from men
in the country whose daughters have come
to town and fear they have gone to these
places. and in forty-eight hours can
generally locate them. He also said there
were several cases in which he had res
cued girls and sent them back to their
fathers He said he knew them all: had
a list Of them all. He furthermore men
toned an instance. I do not remember
the name of the gentleman, but someone
up on Broad Street, a business man OF
some kind. who came to him when he
heard that he was about to move one OF
these women from above his store. and
begged him not to do it; that people
went in and out all night long. and it
was great protection to his store. show
ing that some people had not objected
to their being located on Broad Street.
I said: rs not this against the law.
He said: Certainly it is. but what are
We going to do about it: There is no
question that disturbs the police authors
ties more than that question:. said TO
him that I had heard that In a certain
location about Monroe. Madison and JEFF
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