The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1902-05-23
CATECHISES
The BISHOP
Senator Patterson Cross Cues
tons a Reverend Witness.
ATTRIBUTES IT TO DEITY
ADMINISTRATIONS FILIPINO
POLICY COMMENDED.

YITAsHINGToN. May 22.-During the
w testimony given by Bishop Tho
burn today, to the Philippine
committee, a spirited dialogue ensued
between the bishop and Senator Pat
terson.
The line of the bishops testimony. in
part, is indicated by the following
questions by Senator Patterson and
Bishop Thoburn's responses:
IF a Filipino government should be
established and you had been asked
whether you thought such establish
ment was the act of God, would you
ask to defer your opinion?"
Il would not say it was the act of
God"
You would say It was tie act of the
devil?''
mo. I would not I would say it
was the act of American politicians"
He added that ne believed that with
an independent Philippine government
the Macabebees would be exterminated
within twelve months.
Mr.. Patterson asked the witness if
he believed the subjugation of barbar-
Gus or semi-civilized people by the
! great powers to be the act of God.
4 would not put it that way" he
replied. The most enterprising gov
ernments are pushing out as individ-
uals; and governments generally find
! that they have to follow their citizens
/ God rules and OverrUles."
If" went on Senator Patterson, "a
/ nation has gone to the help of a semi
/ civilized people and finds itself in con-
/ troll Of their country, has that nation
/ a right to Overrun it against the viii
/ Of its people and 20 kin and burn OF
] destroy to accomplish its purposes?"
| Do you mean that question seri-
ously?" the bishop asked, and wher
/ Senator Patterson said he did the
/ bishop replied that il was very diff
cult to answer it seriously, for the rea-
| son that what is right in one case
may be wrong in another"
Does man determine what is right
and what is Wrong?" asked Senator
| Patterson, again.
This question was met by another
from the bishop. rs this" he asked
IAN examination in metaphysics o.
in theology
You volunteered to say that Goo
had put us in the Philippines, saiC
I Senator Patterson, and he insisted OF
reply.
Bishop Thoburn: II cannot very vel
discuss theological questions here, bu
if I can give you any information
shall be glad TO do so"
In response to questions from Sen
atOr Carmack, Bishop Thoburn ex
pressed the opinion that the Philip
pine people are better disposed towart
American missionaries than they wer
at the close Of the Spanish war. Il
proof OF this statement, he said tina
I SC oft Of
people at the Methodist church in Ma
Mia, and that both in that city an
the outlying provinces it was almos
impossible to meet the demand 70
teachers and preachers.
Bishop Thoburn said that he visite
Manila for two weeks in March, 1885,
and again in March, 1900. for one week
When the witness said he thought IN
United states were in the Philippine
under circumstances which would no
permit them to leave, Senator DubOi
/ objected and asked for a statement a
to the moral and intellectual capacit
Of the Filipinos.
In many respects, replied the wit
ness, they are like the American In
, dams. There is no conference anon
them. They are divided into tribe
and the biggest man among them
generally recognized as a sultan. The
are bright and quick. but not profound
! and / am afraid they are treacherOus
Senator Beverage brought out III
fact that the witness had resided fC
torty-three years in the Straits settle
ment. and asked him for his opinio
! Of the capacity of the Malay for sell
government. u think they are yer
! defective" he said TT would be
crime, in my opinion, to remove II
o. present American restraints. in II
t / Philippines"