The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1902-08-19

L haven told Judge Mann goodbye.
looked around-we were right in front 0!
Nh. Joiners office, right to the nortn VI
the steps. and as turned he SAID mere
is Judge Mann now ! advanced as ldi
as from here to Mr.. Crawford tneie,
made two or three steps and eStehoeu i:iy
Rand as I advanced. When sa" nm.
Judge Mann was on the lower corner VI
thu north end of the steps. l advanced
with my hand out to Judge Mann anc
said. I want to tell you goodbye. Inc
people we're pouring right out on elthei
side Judge Mann seemed to have stopped
there to get out Of the way OF the CROWD.
extended my hand to him. Judge Mann
clasped it very warmly. l maze some
pleasant remark about our acquaintance
and glad to see him in Amherst, even I'M
der such conditions. Judge Mann thanked
ME While Judge Mann had my hand
saw something-sone one poked hand up.
looked and about that time heard some
one say Judge Campbell In peculiar
tone of voice. looked and saw Mr.. CraW-
ford standing there Where he came from
God only knows-I don't. l dldn see
him, didn't know where he came from
I had this little whip in my hands While
shaking hands with Judge Mann, ana
this stick on my arm. AS soon as rec
oguized DR.. Crawford l stepped BACK
about a step, and I want to say, gen
t1emen, If it is possible, I had ABOUT a
thousand thoughts I didn't understand
Why he spoke to me- I didn't Know "hat
to do and I hardly knew what TO say
but I looked him squarely In the eyes
and saws I: DR.. Crawford q didn't shake
hands with him. understand, but simply
stood there in this position. cane on my
arm, having withdrawn my hand from
Judge Mann's)-I said: DR.. Crawford, l
gave you an opportunity TO apolosiAe'
and now I give you another cnance. ne
looked at me with grin OF pecuiiar
smile, which took as an insuitlns.smiie
and said: I made my statement IN the
courthouse or something to that eHect.
Instantly I raised that whip right up and
took him over the head and back several
times About the second lick he ducked
his head and threw his hands up. and
think I hit him probably twice more
after he ducked his head. Then Judge
Mann threw his hands up and Captain
Payne came up and said: Judge. oon
do that! and Mr.. Hiram Turner caught
me bv nv arm and said: Come and go TO
The off3ce,' 7 said: All right, gentlemen.
T am done and we went on. That is JUST
what took place..
Also, accused first saw offensive artf'
cles in DR.. Crawford's paper While IN
Richmond. where DR.. Crawford resides.
but he never asked the latter LOT an
explanation or apology before lnstltutlng
the. contempt proceeding. though he was
constantly in Richmond IN attendance as
a member Of the Constitutional ConVen-
ton (See page $3.50
On Nav Goth accused said page $500:
s.I said to Judge Mann. Introduce me to
YOUR associate here Judge Mann turned
and exclaimed, My associate! he IS not
my associate and added, I don't know
me
The gentleman arose from his seat.
Knowing I was the judge of the court.
and Judge Mann turned and said about
that time, Let me introduce you to DR..
Crawford I shook hands with him. I
said. .Dr. Crawford, I am glad to meet
YOU. That is about what took place 1t
has been attempted to be shown that l
went purposely to meet DR.. Crawford. l
didn't do 1t. but had no objection to meet
ing him. I had no personal feeling about
1t at the time, because I was looking for
an opportunity for him to retract his
offensive language"
On some occasion. accused IN explain
ing evidence of DR.. VOORHEES, to the effect
that Judge Campbell on the goth of May
had stated from the bench that If he
could not protect himself by contempt
proce edings he would not institute suit
for libel or SANDER. but would resort to
the old Virginia gentleman plan, or
words to that effect. Explanation of ac-
cused is as follows fsee page 1850:
Evidently that was intended to show
was making threats. or had threats in
my mind. 1t is not true. Judge Mann had
argued or attempted to argue the case
to show that this was not a matter for
me to deal with this way. but was per-
sonal matter-at that time he was TAX
ing that position. Now I believe they.
take the position it is not personal.
That is the way it turned around. At
that time Judge Mann argued before me
as Dr. Crawford's council that 1t was
personal matter: that I could not deal
with it officially. ard I could not find
him g',ilty of contempt or fine him there
for. but that would have to whip Dr..
Crawford personally or have to sue him
for libel When I came to the brief opin
ion as to the position. it was in reply to
Judge Mann's position. In which he con-
tended that this was a personal matter:
that I would have to whip DR. Crawford
or sue him for libel and it was in reply
to that argument that l said something
like this: Judge Mann. have no per-
sonal feeling in this matter; I am here
as a court.
3s1-2):
@. Jrdge Campbell. I believe you are
the Judge Of the County Court of AM
herst?
A. Yes sir; at present anyhow.
@ Well. you were on the Oath Of last
June?
A. Yes. sir.
@. And had taken the oath Of office
as the law provides?
A. Oh, yes, took that certainly.
Q. And I believe you hare taken it
since the new Constitution went into
effect?
A. Yes. sir
g. I believe you said you considered
yourself Judge Campbell on the bench
and c. ]. Campbell when you left the
bench?
A. That is my construction of it, and
I have a right to defend myself and act
as any other individual that is properly
within certain bounds; not like some in
div'duals. but act like gentleman, in
other words. (Laughtero
@. Act a gentleman?
A. Yes. which I did in this case.
What did YOU say?