The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1902-12-10
LABOR'S HOURS AND OUTPUT.
CIIN FEDERATION'S CONGRESS-
DEBtTE NORM.
Complaint Of Union Interference WIN
pitai-Baidwin Works Denounced
as sweat ShOp-Dr. RainsfOrsi ASKS
About Restricting skilled Labor.

shorter Hours and the "Res,riction
of Output" were the subjects before yes
terday's sessions Of the National Civic F,d-
Grafton. Grover Ciev rland. Abram =. Hew-
lit. President Eliot, the Rev DR. W s.
Rainsford and John Is. Mcdonald were
among the weli-known men present in adj
dition Ia those who had attended Mondays
meetings.
Mr. Cleveland was ON hand early in the
morning and there was applause for him.
At the afternoon session he came in without
any demons, raj ion on the par, of he audi
ence. A. he was about to take a chair
ncxt to Cornelius n. Bliss, who was Score
tary of the Interior under Mckinley, Mr.
Bliss politely arose and remained standing
until MIR Cleveland had seated himself
Mr. Cleveland looked a bit puzzled and
presently got up and moved to the chair
next President Eliot
The ex-Prpsident left the room with
Os ar Straus. vice president of the F@iera-
ton. before the close Of the session. He
mad. no address.
Al his mornings session NiCe-Presdent
Samuel Gompers IL TO comment, from the
point Of view of the Federation Of Labor
upon tie speeches that have already been
made. senator Hanna announced, tina, b-
vond this there were no o,hnr formal papers
or speeches on the programme. and that
following Mr.. GompeisS address the sos
-on- of to-day would b" thrown open for
general discussion Of the topic Indus
trial Agreements.
Prof. John X. Commons, who l. studying
restriction of output for Carroll d Wright,
spoke of the union, AZ the morning session
a. an effort To interfere AZ one or more
points with the liberty of the emp oYer ia
conducting his business. He said that
employers had been comp lied 70 submit
To what amounted To restrictions by the
unions What was needed was mutual
underst anding and mutual concessions
between employer and employees. A
shorter work. lay was simply one form of
the demand for higher wages.
F. A Halsey Of the American Mdchinist
talked Of The Premium Method Of Pay
menl a, "A rate of articulation which stumped
the stenographers and forced some of III"
listeners to interrupt him once IN while
for the sake Of a breathing spell. and Ia
get time to think just what II was he was
talking about. One of these asked par don
for his interruption but told Mr.. Halssy
that he would really like to know what the
premium system. Of which the speaker
was talking really was.
When Mr. HalSny had explained Arch
bishop ireland filed the hreech temporarily
bv asking whether the unions favored
the premium system of payment of en-
pluvecs Mr. Haleey said that they did
not
James O'Conncll. president Of the Inter-
rational Association of Mdchinists. said
that II was absurd to say that organized
labor intcrfered with the rights az capital
He spoke of the Baldwin Locomotive Works
a. "A type of place where un-auitarv con-
ditions and bad treatment of employees
prevail The English engineer Barnes had
referred 70 this place. bat without men
tioning its name, on Monday. and had said
that il was unit for men to work in. Mr..
OConnell got him To assent yesterday
when MIR O'Conncll said 1t was to this
factory that n. Englishmau had referred
Alfred Moseley asked NJ. O'Connell
why it was If the conditions were a. bad a.
stated there. that IN" wOrkmcn had not
struck Mr.. Mol ySad hat he had been
all over that plant and lad not observed
any Of the DIRE aifuuc~s describcd. and. fur
therrnore. that he had been informed that
the factory was a Iuu-unlOn one and had
never had strike Mr.. OConuell sa5
that il was strange that there had not been
"A strike there, Tor the place was actually
a swsat-hUp where little bosses took con-
tracts To build certain parts of locomotives
and Then hired men 10 work under thap
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Dr. Rainsford asked the speaker a ques-
tiOn a. to limiting he number of apprentices,
and followed II up with this statement:
am aware. and. of course. | suppos. Won
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