The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1902-02-04

| a short time, and could ultimately b'
made 10 pay. Where is the man? lie
| some man who has already achieved
marvellous success at amassing for
| tune step forward and devote his bust
| ness talent to making the Temperance
saloon a successful factor in public NOR
. ais
YOUR reference TO preachers in your edi
torial, yet 1 fear you have done the
preaching fraternity an injustice in your
classification of him You would have
every feature of the saloon there except
alcoholic drinks, indicate pictures
| women and preachers. Now, 1 confess
/ that. women excluded, I don't like the
| category in which you have placed me-
The women can do as they please about
raising a protest, but I venture guess
| that they don't like the classification
either L see no reason why preachers
should be excluded any more than edf-
/ tors LAWYERS doctors or business men.
If this temperance saloon is to be a prop
er place for any other man, why should
| it be an improper place for preacher?
I object to having fellowship of my fell
lIowmen denied me because 1 am a
| preacher. There have been few cases
! of preachers patronizing liquor saloons.
! But that fact never kept any other man
1 from patronizing them. 1 object to being
| treated as if / was not a man simply
| because I have chosen the profession of
4 V.
other folks, 1 am vain enough to think,
! in good common sense And I feel con-
fdent that no preacher in Honolulu
| would insist on going into the proposed
! temperance saloon and conducting a
prayer meeting. 1 think there are three
| preachers connected with the Buckeye
| Club. But not one of them has been
guilty of even limiting that he would like
to turn the club at any of it's meet
ings into a prayer meeting, much less of
taking the pious into a corner room and
having a prayer meeting. What / mean
to emphasize is that preachers are not
devoid of the coQmon and ordinary sense
of proPriety. i can understand that men
like to meet sometimes where only men
meet as women like to meet sometimes
where only women meet So it would be
proper to limit the patrons of this tenn
perance saloon to men. But let the
preachers be men. But I would like to
suggest just here that it might be re-
ceived by the women as an expression of
interest in them by their husbands
brothers and sweethearts if some one
would advocate the doctrine of having
the men stay at home occasionally and
care for the children while the women
go out and meet their women friends in
some public place-say a temperance sa-
loon for women. In other words, sup
pose We men become a little more I'M
selfish and give the women an opportu-
nifty to enjoy the fellowship of one an
other.
I take IT that your reference to the
Murphy Club cannot be construed to
mean that you do not believe it and
similar organizations have place or are
doing good work, but simply that the
saloon in your judgment cam
not be conducted on such plan. In that
I agree with you
One more thing. Your last paragraph
might suggest that you think the only
temperance work is the estab-
fishing of temperance saloons. While I
admit that there has seemed to be too
little practical work done in proportion
to the amount of talking, yet 1 trust
that this is one of the reforms that re-
lures a great deal of talk (Which is agi- |
alton, of which you recognize the need, !
before the sentiment can be created out |
Of which practical work can come. In |
Iced. there is a time in every great re- |
'orm movement when the only practical |
hing that can be done is to talk. There |
vas great deal of talking against slav- |
.ry before there was anything practical |
lone. But the Anti-Saloon League could !
POINT you to practical results achieved |
n other places. But ii took time to |
Ichieve. Don't be impatient When the
ime comes, practical work. will be !
lone. And when that time comes we
rust the Advertiser will be found in
with it. Believing that YOU
ude toward the Anti-Saloon League in
iberally opening your columns as in the
'ast, I am,
Yours sincerely
E. S. MUCKLEY.
We do not need to tell our readers
hat Mr.. Muckley has written a good
etter. They can see that for them
selves.
AS for preachers and women going to
temperance saloon, no one can justly
question their right to be there. 1T is
simply a matter of policy. The slight
st flavor of the cloth in a temperance
ialoon or the faintest suggestion of
emininity, spoils the place in these
ways: 1t brings on a sense of con-
'traint which robs the saloon of its
harm for the kind of people who go
o such places for easy goodfeIlow-
hip: and it raises the suspicion, fatal
o the success of the enterprise, that
he saloon is being used to bring men
nto the church. All that the temper
nee saloon should present are the US
lal saloon attractions minus alcohol,
nd certain class of art; and it should
AXE on no eXtraneous belongings eth
r of the church or the w. c. t. L. Its
'bject should be to give men a place
o go for the unconventional sociability
hey now seek in rum shops-men who
20 there for diversion rather than .
hirst: to lessen the inconsistencies for |
ne real saloon among men who have
ust sworn off and are having a hard
iSht to keep away from the cheer of
he grog room; and to thereby lessen
he profits and perhaps the numbers of
he retail liquor and beer bars. We
ubmit that such results are worth
for even if they do not realize
he whole aspiration of those who are
aboring for the cause of total absti-
ence.
HE cEENAiN