The Montgomery advertiser., 1902-05-22
SENATOR'S HAVE S..yl!' Dietrich and Attcrson Fall Out TESTIMONY OF o'BRIBN Seems to Have Cotton Alllln-
 formation Second Hand.
 Alleged aDum Dun' Suiists Dselassa by crosisr to Ss tAs 1ssulas xrag-Jorgsnssn chasss-No zzplssivs Bailsts ussd.
TESTIMONY OF o'BRIBN

washington. May zt.-corporsi 0Dxien
 formerly of the 26th voluntesr infsntsy
 was before the Senate Committee son thl
 Philippines- today and produced the al ieeed dun dunn or explosive bullets. Ht said they were not like the ordinary car tridges. because they did not have ths letters .sU. 8" on them.
 General crozier. Chief of Ordnance. wa called and testifed that the scartsidgsl produced by Mr. o.Brien were not dif' ferent from the ordinary regulation csr' tridges. Asked if they were ..dum dun, :, or explosive. bullets. the witness replied in the negative, ,s@ z
 They are perfectly normal bullets. z, hs said.
 The regulation Krag-Jorsenssn bullet he said. often has practically the same ef- feet as ''dum dum'' or explosive bullet He related instances of isceraticn which had come under his own observation. Hs attributed the efIect to the pushing oui of the blood and tissue by the bullet He explained that '-dum dun" bullets could be made by filing through the steel GOV ering of the lead of an ordineyy car fridge, thus permitting the lead to be ex- posed. He also said that no explosive
 bullets had been issued since the St. Pc tersburg convention of 1888.
 Replying to questions by Senator Bev-
 craze respecting the charge that . mum.
 Der of American officers had violated the persons of . Spanish woman at the time the town of Igabaras was burned. o'Brier said that in addition to- her husband,
 there were several servants residing in
 the house with this woman. He said hs could not remember whether the husband
 when he told him of the crime that had
 been committed. had given the name oi
 any ofiicers connected withsit. The man stated. however. that there were four oi
 them enssssd h the sFsir. 7 . ! ], ! the fact that there were then Just foul
 officers in the town Of fsaparas. 'Conse.
 quently," said the Senator, If the state
 ments made by the woman's husband are
 true, these four men are Guilty of the crime charged.
 The witness assented to this inference. He related that some of the privates he'd told him of their relations with the wo- man. He did not remember the names ol these men, but he gave the names Of two privates as being those whom he thought had told him the story.
 Senator Patterson protested that to compel the witness to mention the names under the circumstances wasaa srave in- justice to the men whose names had been dragged in. Senator Lodge retcrted that he believed that instead of dcing an in- justice the committee was on the road to doing justice. Senator Patterson charged Senator Lodge with menaclns ' the witness. and Senator Lodge made a vigorous denial.
 Senator Dietrich charged Senator Pat terson with having done all that he could to injure the army and with having done nothing to preserve and protect its good name. I'M
 Mir. Patterson resented this statement sharply and sangrily.
 The Senator from Nebraska, ." he said. should be ashamed of himself. He knows that the truth Is exactly contrary to what he has stated. and that he has said Is absolutely and positively untrue" !"
 Senator Dietrich: T know that what l have said Is true and I repeat that the Senator's effort has been to bring out everything he could against the army"
 Senator Patterson: The Senator should be ashamed to make such a statement. No man Is more anxious than ! am to present the army in its true light and develop whatever good may be said of it." sT
 Senator Dietrich said he defied the Colorado Senator to prove the truth of his remark. to which Mir. Patterson re. piled that the minority had made an honest and faithful effort to get at the facts and that he was convinced the pre- sent intention was to divert 1t from that course In this connection, he declared that no gentleman would make such statement as had been made.
 Senator Dietrich said gentleman en- gagged in such an inquiry as this would try to bring out things in the interest of the army rather than matters of con. trary character. . Replying to question as to why he had not made any report concerning the treat ment of the Spanish woman,f O. Bricn said It made no difference how just the com plaint of man in the aHny might be. the man who made 1t was bounded for doing so. He added that his experience in the mountains in Luzon had convinced him of this fact. saying in this connection that he and his men had been almost starved while the officers of his company were disposing of the rations which should have been issued to them.
 Returning to the question of the treat ment of the Igigabaras woman. Senator Beveridge asked the witness If he be- ieved that the officers did violate her person. Several of the minority Sena- tors objected to this question and the witness at first said he did not wish to commit himself on that point. but he ultimately said that such was his belief. He also expressed the opinion that the statement that the enlisted men had sub ,equently mistreated her was true.
 Before the committe adjourned. Mir. Patterson made a formal statement to he effect that he and Senator Rawlins lad both protested against introduction # hearsay evidence alleging msltreat- nent of women by American officers.
 My feeling and that of the minority S." he said that the honor and integrity # American officers and American sol- Hers could not be impugned by the in reduction of such testimony. and want O say that everything that followed the irst statement made by the witness has ,een dragged in by the majority"