The Saint Paul globe., 1902-01-26

In common that we cannot injure Others
without injuring ourselves"
MI Hartman insisted that the corn-
mon interest of all systems now affiliated
under the Northern Securities conpanY
must be considered rather than the sos-
called community Of interests Hessaid
ne was a member Of the board Of az
rectors of the Securities company and
Mr. Fill was its president but the comb
plhatlon under that company affected
rates in nowise. He told how. shortlv,
after the scramble over Northern Pafi
CHIC stock, Mr.. Morgan had been given a
proxy by him in order to sell the stoclri
again. 1t was understood the Swie was
to be effected in cash and securities-thaf
latter IN the Northern Securities companyl
II 1t should be organized. Mr. HarrinnaIi1
eventually controlled about $50 000. 900 OF
the stock of this company. j
Inc question If the formation Of tha{
Nortnern Securities company and the assl
soclation of SO many roads might jn-if
hdence rates brought a denial
It may enable u.s. SAID Mr.. HarrI-
man, when brought so close together to
eliminate the prevailing distrust as to the
various lines maintaining traffic rates. I
The complaint has been of too high rates /
We may be able to stop the discrimina-
another"
He stated that this, however, need not
have been done in such 3 company
Ihe suggestion. was made by the COM
mission that this company might prevent !
reduction of published rates by the COM |
petlng roads. He did not consider the |
company afforded a power Of concentra- !
ton for pooling. Other large considera-
tions than stockholding, he said, infiu-
ence rates. If Mr.. Hill or myself owned
all the roads, the people would get better
rates because Of conditions. With freer
hon
any point. The prevailing movement of4
: cars, ETC., influence
He added that he did not think com-si
petition ever reduced rates more than
temporarily.
At the conclusion of~his testimony Mr.. !
Hartman took a special train for New 4
York Mr.. Hill, who was not again called |
to the stand, was excused and accon-
panied Mr. Hartman. VI
PRESIDENTS HARRIS AND
MELLEN ARE HEARD.
Mr.. Harris president of the old and the
new Burlington companies, then testified
as to the transfer of the Chicago, Buriing-
ton & Quincy Railroad company to the
effect that the Burlington company prom /
ised to furnish the commission b copy oR
the ninety-nine-yeaf lease of the Toad4
and said that none of his conferences with |
Mr.. Hi or others had any referencai
other than to the general efficiencyI
of the road. He said it was the hope or !
the ne=r company 20 be able to rednce
rates and said such reduction would fol- !
low only natural conditions. He favoTedi
publicity for all rates
Charles L. Mellen, president of tina
Northern Pacific was then called. Mrs
Mellen said his conferences with Mr.. HilI
were not more frequent or more potent
than those with any other presidents Of
Northwestern roads He said there were
no agreements between the Northern Pa
cif1c and either the Great Northern, Union
Pacific or Canadian Pacific roads on al
lotment of traffic or on differentiaIs. sFhe
Northern Pacific was just as independent
in the management of it's affairs as before
Jan. 1, 1902, and there had been no orders
or suggestions as 70 management from /
the Northern Securities company or any
of its directors "a
The commission ended its session with
Mr.. Mellen's testimony and took an adj
journment until Wednesday at Washing
ton, D. c..
The further inquiry into the grain rate
situation was put off by reason OF the
enforced absence of several Kansas city
witnesses.