Santa Fe new Mexican. [volume] (Santa Fe, N.M.) 1898-1951, 1902-01-24
ENLIGHTENMENT
FROM ]. ]. HILL
Ne and {. Il. Hartman Are to Appear Before
the Interstate Commerce Commission.
THE MEETING AT CHICAGO
These Railroad Magnates viii Endeayor to Convince the
Commission That the Community Of Interest Idea
Is a Good One for the Railroads
and the Public.

chicago, JAN Z4.-W nat is eApeCLeu
to be one Of the most interesting ses-
sions Of the Interstate Commerce Com
mission ever held, began today. ]. j.
Hill and e. HI. Hartman are expected
to enlighten the commission on various
points concerning the plans Of the rail-
roads. 1t Is the expressed purpose of
the commission to discover, if possible,
what changes, if any, have been Great
railroads by reason of the associate
management" of the latter. The COM
mission desires to find out if the car
rying out Of the community Of interests
idea affected the rate situation in a
way contrary to law, or, as Is claimed,
if it Is likely to affect the stability and
non-discrimination of rates for which
the commission has long battled.
Mr.. Fill and Mr.. Hartman reached
Chicago during the morning. Hill, ac-
companied by Mr.. Grover, his attorney,
came at once before the commission.
Chairman Knapp, being appealed to,
stated that Hill would be allowed to
testify at time which would permit
him to take the train for New York to-
night. Darius Miller, first vice presi-
dent and traffic manager of the Chi
cago, Burlington and Quincy, and for
mer traffic manager of the Great
Northern, was the first witness. In an
swer to question by Mr.. Day, attor-
ney for the commission, Mr.. Miller
stated that the Burlington was abso-
lutely independent in "its operations
and in making rates.
Have you received instructions
from either Mr.. Hill or Mr. Hartman
in regard to making rates?" Mr. Day
asked.
"None," the witness answered.
Commissioner Prouty asked the wit
ness to what extent the Northern Pa
cfic and Great Northern were competi-
tors. Miller put the competitive traffic
at about rs per cent. He declared that |
the Burlington was not competitor of |
the Great Northern and Northern Pa
cific. He said the two northern roads
rates. but knew of no penalty having
hsen imposed for violation of agree
ments.
]. c. Stubbs, traffic manager of the
Southern Pacific and Union Pacific,
testified that E. H. Hartman was
chairman Of the board Of directors of
both roads, but was appealed to only
in extraordinary cases. Stubbs said no
such case has arisen since his appoint
ment, and he had proceeded under his
general instructions from Hartman
He said rates have generally been fair
ly we'll maintained, but there have been
in Colorado and Utah.
He declared that the Southern Pacific
and Santa Fe were competitors.
''Is there no agreement between you
and the Atchison road as to a division
Of the oil and sugar traffic" asked
Day.
"None whatever" replied the wit
ness. "There is a division Of the or
ange traffic, but this is due to the fact
that about 50 per cent Of the crop IS
tributary to each line"
The commission took recess.
j. j. Hill took the stand at o'clock.
He explained the relation of the North
srn Securities Company, the Burling-
.on, the Northern Pacific and the Great
Northern with each other. "There were
approximately 10000 stockholders in
he old Burlington said Hill. ut was
to buy the stock amounting
o about $1O0,000,0OO in the open mar
ret and another plan was adopted re-
ulting in the sale of the property, like
piece Of real estate. The Northern
Pacific and the Great Northern issued
PIG 0OO, 900 Of joint bonds to pay for It,"
sOvERNOR MCBRIDE PROCLAIMs
AGAINST RAILROAD TRUST.
Olympia, Wash, Jan. 24.-Governor
dcBride today issued proclamation
pposing the railroad merger under
he name Of the Northern Securities
Company Governor Mcbride declares
hat community Of interest In the op-
ration of railroads stiles competition,
which is the only protection of this
tate against railroads. The state, he
aid, should appoint a railroad COM