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ton he became involved in a couool1v
with Mr.. Hanna, Of Ohio. who main
tanned that the ships acquired bv Mr.
Morgan from foreign countries could NOT
participate in the subsidies provided by
the pen-ng measure.
Mr. Perkins, of California another
member of the commerce COMMITTEES de-
livered a carefully prepared speech in
support of the bill, maintaining that If
would add to the prosperity of the en-
tire country.
Mr.. Berry, in opening, said that the
promoters of the pending bill were urg-
ing that it was not so bad as the meas
ure reported in the last congress. 1t was
better in that during the first year of
it's operation it would cost less tnan the
measure of last year, had that been
passed. 1t was worse, however, in that
after the first year it would cost MANY
millions more; because there was no
limitation either to the time or the ex-
pense of it's operation, becauses it does
not compel the beneficiaries Of the act
to build a single Snip IN the United
States, and because it gives particular
preference to the fast steamship lines,
especially the international Navigation
company. He denounced the measure q IS
contrary to the fundamental law of the
land and absolutely unconstitutional
bAAA5S y
He insisted that if it were legal to pay
them to the raisers of horses and mules,
which, as well as auxiliary cruisers, were
employed in war. Mr.. Berry hau read
an article in New York newspaper CIV
ing details of a purported arrangement
whereby the Morgan Steamship syndi-
cate expected to gain control Of the
White Star, Red tar, Leyland Atlantic
Transport and other great steamship
lines.
1--WE thus see," said Mr.. Berry, that
it is the intention of Mr.. J. P. Morgan
and his associates to form a syndicate
which shall control the entire shipping
interests OIL the Atlantic
Does the senator state of his own
knowledge inquired Mr.. Hanna, that
Mr. Morgan has purchased the White
S,ar liner
II have no knowledge of the matter"
replied Mr.. Berry, except what>I have
acquired from the article just read
You base your statements, then" sug-
gested Mr.. Hanna, upon newspaper re-
ports?"
Yes, 1 do" responded Mr.. Berry, but
does the senator say it is not true?''
Il do not know anything about it,"
returned Mr.. Hanna.
Mr. Berry, continuing, declared that
Mr.. Morgan and Mr.. Griscom president
of the American line), and their asso-
ciates, woulu be the beneficiaries of the
pending bill. If Mr.. Morgan and his as
sociates desired to obtain American
register for their foreign-built ships he
had no doubt of their ability to convince
the majority in congress that it would be
right to give their vessels American
register.
Hanna Replies to the Argument.
He denounced as unjust and unfair
the proposition ito levy a trlDute upon
the taxpayers for the enrichment of
private individuals and corporations.
Mr. Hanna replied to some of the
points made by Mr.. Barry, and brief
colloquy, participated in by Messrs.
Hanna, Berry, Spooner and Clay, ensued.
ITO say" declared Mr. Hanna, with
some warmth that the senators on this
side of the chamber who are favoring
this measure are thereby fostering
power to build up a~4nonopoIy or to favor
any syndicate is unfair. If a newspaper
report is to be taken as proof to sustain
the statements that have been made, it
is hardly worthy Of consideration. Not
one ton of these foreign built vessels, if
purchased by Americans, could be admit
ted to American register or receive any
benefit under this BILL and no one knows
that better than the senator from Ar
kansas" 4rt 'Ea
Mr.. Hanna went on to say that Mr. Ber-
ry had urged that the enormous power
and influence of Mr.. Morgan and his
associates would be brought to bear on
congress to secure the admission of their
foreign-built ships to American register.
That was gratuitous If it were true,
this bill would offer little inducement to
those owners, as by having their vessels
brought under American register they
could participate in the very profitable
coastwise trade of the United States. In
conclusion Mr. Hanna said:
''The senators on this side of the cham
Der are actuated by just as high motives
as the senator from Arkansas, and they
are just as patriotic"
Perkins Defends the Bill.
Mr. Perkins delivered an extended
speech in support of the pending meas
ure. He believed it was the duty of the
country to try the experiment proposed.
If it proved to be a failure, it could be
repealed by congress, but he was salts
fed that in it's operation it would be
great success. Every American citizen,
he maintained, was interested, either di-
rectly or indirectly, in the bill He was
satisfied it would be as far-reac ching in
it's good results as any piece of legisIa-
ton that had been before congress for
years.
- +" 94iApplIlS 4IdH, MI TeFhlnS point
ed out that the proposed subsidy-or diff
ferential, as he preferred to call it
would not begin to pay one-half of the
operating expenses of the Ship
This bill, he urged, would be the in
centive for the establishment and opera
ton of new steamship lines Which would
add vastly to the commercial influence
and prosperity of the United States.
Mr.. Penrose favorably reported the
Chinese exclusion bill, and it was placed
on the calendar.