The Saint Paul globe. (St. Paul, Minn.) 1896-1905, 1902-10-21

to make a lower rate on the iron ore, and
together the iron ore rate and the coal
duced to the extent that we can load the
cars botf, wavs We hone that the shin
ment Will reach 900 900 tons of ore before
sd ing.
We found ourselves Ace Ito face with
this condition.: Our cars are larger than
the cars Of most Of the sroads. The cars
we use in the tactic trade, in order to
carry a paying load of5Iurnjer or cedar.
must carlv large oua{titHs We found
that the small cars Of the Southern and
southwestern lines that come I'M here
would hold for instance sbuF little more
than half our load. By controlling the
situation we could send Great Northern
cars to st. Louis and load them there, if
the BlIrlington cars were not large enol1gh.
or We corid transfer them here, because
we are liz position to saw what we want
ed done
The conditions that would affect the
Great Northern would; in very large ex-
similar aH Wav ' As to the eenerai ira fn Of
thn FOODS in tba cn11ntSv traverSad hu
them fbe business afforded nv that com,
trv and ID nv tha ce,ntrv at tIar d ternoini
What wm1id affect rs Womb affect them II,
mess ,otnra1iv as s'ppi'ee1 - me ss'e
u WIFI IuIa+ lire of +r,nSnor+o+ion
does WI rn,,t COW fran, Ct pa tI14 ~
China and. Jnnan con3nete wifi oonSs fur ~
nishad al The O,rienta IOno;nts G9ybjcb vo,,
raanb sneaL inc, eenarail1 We oo, NJ
nete with not onIy lines Of transnorfa ton
b,1t viii no i,t We non,n+ Fit ad
The GOODS are co,,nfed fhe wr. "a
/ down in tho Orient and fhe comnefitinn
extends ali the way through from the nro-
duction, the transportation, the cost of
o. With what lines? In other words.
from what countries? A. Germany. Great
Britain as far as the production and
Reconsideration: with the Reconsideration
alone Norway and Sweden. which do not
produce SO much, but they furnish great
deal of Cheap TRANSPORTATION. We com
pete, of course, with lines across the
American continent, the isthmus and the
Panama route It is hardly called compe
tition because our competition with the
suez canal leaves the Panama route prac-
aa oof Of eT the aue Ana the The phs ani
portation take for instance traffic going
from anywhere in Ohio (Ohio is a large
manufacturing state) by the Suez canal;
it would have 10 90 down to the seaboard
49,. uJi+t +na o,,an+
trace with the orieht.
@. Mr.. Hill, when was inquiring about
rs c ees y4f s3oh to 'e ask vn inns reeranc
to the causing of construction of some
ships for that purpose, for that business.
entirely unable to carry the business go
ing West. We had to, refuse thousands
and tens of thousands of bales of cotton.
thlnk we refused t aG d6d dail3 between Au-
gust and January, 6O,O00 bales or cotton
because we could not get the tonnage
Mr.. Griggs: That Is, cotton intended for
Asia? .
A. Yes, sir. And we. started to build
our own ships, and they are about ready
to go into the water; the inst should be
launched in December. The tonnage OF
our steamships is 2S,0o0-about I0000
greater than the largest now. af1oat These
are to ply between our terminus and ORR
entail ports.
O. Are you able to state the compare
its inception, up to this time?
A. The growth has been very rapid. In
some commodities more rapid than in
others. Last year the increase was very
| large in cotton goods, both raw and man
ufactured, and in machinery and in some
other commodities 1t fell off. The oil, 1
think was considerably reduced. During
, the year ending June 80, 1892, the business
was more than twice as great as it was
| the previous year ending June, 1901. We
were in better position to do the bust
ness. In 1901 the amount Of cotton piece
goods was 300 bales; 1902, 64.542 bales.
Raw cotton in 1901 was 15, $4,000 pounds,
against A. 43. goo pounds the next year.
No eee+r.in+ ~ ,n+ere+.+e Trade.
mo RESTRAINT OF INTERSTATE 'raoe'
@. In the purchase of the shares Of
the Burlington road, was there any pur-
pose or intention on your part, or SO far
railway companies or those connected with
them, to restrain or hinder commerce be-
tween the states or among the states or
with foreign nations?
A. That. I am sure, never occurred to
u.s. The object was exactly opposite.
@. What, if any, has been the effect
of that purchase upon commerce between
! the states and with foreign nations? Has
A. It has very greatly Increased it. 1t,
| ever have known commerce of the same
| extent to be increased in my forty years
experience. 1t has only been in effect
practically a year. and in that year the e
Great Northern railway And the eff
feet of that, the increase Of the entire
business, has made large increase in the
revenue of the company. We have been
cent in a, year on the local business be-
tween the Pacific coast and the Twin
Cities and Lake Superior.
O. What has been the effect of the
Burlington purchase on the business of
the Northern Pacific Railroad company,
as far I as you know ~, +os+if, 90 - +ha+
matter In a general way. The same con-
ditions would affect their road that af-
feet the Great Northern, and in the same
general business Their rates have also
been reduced, and their revenue has been
such as to enable them to make this re-
duction without any reduction in their
dividends {fe
O. Have they also had largely in
creased voia t OF tratac s LOi rs the
A. Yes, sir; very large.
Q. What, in your judgment, will be
the future effect of this common owner
ship of the Burlington shares upon the In
terstate and international traffic of the
two companies? Will it tend to restrain
the trade Of the companies or to increase
it?
A. To carry out the policy that has
been uppermost in our minds from the
time when we built the road, the general
plan and purpose in building the road.
building that low grade and in arranging
for the business, if carried out, will very
materially increase~the business, increase
the tons moved, and enable the company
to move the tonnage at lower rates, both
| interstate and state, foreign and domes-
tic.
Burlington shares, was there any purpose
or intention to restrain or hinder the traf-
fic of the Burlington road itself interstate