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The Birmingham age-herald., 1902-08-25
Eli Brewer.

Eli Brewer, the son of w. P. Brewer, died yesterday at 2412 Fourth avenue aft CT an Illness of several days. The re- mains will be taken to the home of his family on First avenue and Sixteenth street this morning and the funeral serv- ices will be conducted from there this afternoon at o'clock. The interment will be in Oak Hill cemetery.
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 the effect that this was not a good time to dissolve voting trusts, and that either the voting trust would be voluntarily ex- tended by the stockholders or the pre- ferred stockholders would get something less than the regular semi-annual divi- dend. When, last spring, the preferred stock was placed upon a full per cent basis of dividends. it was clear that the directors contemplated the expiry of the voting trust this autumn. It Is now clear that they desire a policy the direct contrary. In the interim between the two dividend meetings, the principal event of interest In the financial world has been undoubtedly the Louisville and Nashville purchase. It would not be common sense to suppose that this was not the principal factor in bringing about the change of mind on the part of the directors. It may be regarded as certain that there will be no dissolution of the voting trust at present.
 An important feature of the annual stockholders meeting of the Illinois Cen tral railroad In Chicago next month will be the voting by the stockholders on propositions to buy several lines of road to be incorporated into the Illinois Cen tral system. The lines under considera-
 
 son and Northern the Kankakee and Southwestern, the Chicago and Spring field. the Mount city, the St. Louis, Alton and Terre Haute, the Chicago and Texas, the Chicago, Havana and Western the Rantoul, Illinois and Indiana and the Rivedside and Harlem. All of these are short roads, yet they will make valua- ble feeders to the Illinois Central system. They are principally in Indiana and llli- nois.
 The St. Louis Southwestern railroad. the Cotton Belt route, it is reported, has secured the St. Louis Valley railroad This is a line from East St. Louis to Gale, H., 12O miles, The entire line has not been completed and that which is in operation has been only since August just one week. The road is now being operated from East St Louis to Ches- ter, III.
 The report that the Cotton Belt has secured control of this line is taken to indicate that the Gould interests want the line for a link in the proposed trans continental systems of railways which is being formed. This line may be of particular value to the Goulds, where the Missouri Pacific and Iron Mountain have respectively their eastern and north ern terminals.
 An electrical company at Lynn. Mass, is building train which is soon to be used in Illinois, says a special dispatch from Lynn and which the engineers esti- mate will make 90 to 100 miles an hour It is added that the track for the train in Illinois is almost completed; that the line is about 150 miles long, and is re- markable for solidity and strength As far as possible grades have been elimi- mated. Electricity will be the motive power, and the third-rail system will be used.
 It Is claimed that the train will be safer and run less risk of leaving the rails than an ordinary street car.
 The theory held by electricians is that the train is practically electrically weld ed to the track and cannot leave 1t while the power is on. The location of the track is not given in the dispatch.
The Birmingham age-herald., 1902-08-25

the ages, in changing centuries in mas cent kingdoms and dying empires. only nature. They hear nont, they heed not, in the rolling thunder, in the shock of the earthquake, in the roar of the winds, the voice of natures God. They mark the brightness of the morning; but they see not the sun of righteousness arising nature. They hear not, they heed not, in the night time at the heavens radiant with great orion. sloping slowly to the west, bright with Pleiads, rising through the mellow shade; but in their vision is no room for the star of Bethle- hem.
 But men far greater than these have had their visions. men who !" 'Dipt into the future far as human eye
 could see,
 Saw the vision of the world and all the
 wonder that would be-
The Birmingham age-herald., 1902-08-25
While - 41 a A 2 IT
 II M M A@ Attending

meeting of the Photographers Associs tion of America in Buffalo and visiting other northern and eastern cities, will assure my patrons that those in charge of my Photo Studio are thor oughly competent and all work done by them will be of highest class.
 H. r. NORTON.
The Birmingham age-herald., 1902-08-25
mrs WInslom,s soothinn surun

mrs. WInsiow's Soothing Syrup. the Lest remedy for DIARRIIoEA. Sold by druggists in every part of the world Be sure and ask for Mrs. Wlnslow's s Soothing Syru.." and take no other kind Has been used for over FIFTY YEARS by MILLIONS of MOTHERS fer their CHILDREN WHILE TEErHING, with PERFECT SUCCESS. It SOC4dS the CHILD. SOfTENS the GUMS. ALLAYa all PAIN. CURES WIND COLO, and fl. Twenty-Five cents bottle.
The Birmingham age-herald., 1902-08-25

The weak and tired organs of the body are built up by Hoods Sarsaparilla, the great blood tonic.
The Birmingham age-herald., 1902-08-25

For continued good roads vote for Col. J. F. B. Jack son.
The Birmingham age-herald., 1902-08-25

Vote for J. Ed Haigler Road Supervisor. Practical road man.
The Birmingham age-herald., 1902-08-25

Read Maxwell's reply to s. F. Kellar on page 6.
The Birmingham age-herald., 1902-08-25

Read Maxwell's reply to S, F. Kellar on page 6.
The Birmingham age-herald., 1902-08-25

For continued good roads vote for Col. J. F. B. Jack. son.
The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1902-05-14
Band Notes

The government band gave an orches-
trail concert yesterday afternoon at the
Queens hospital. This morning at $3.50
o'clock the band will play aboard the
transport Buford and this evening will
give a concert at Thomas Square. on
Friday evening. by general request.
Kappelmeister Berger has consented TO
give n moonlight concert at Makee
Island. or Saturday and Sunday the
band will play at the Holy Ghost festi-
val In the Cathedral cathedral grounds.
and will give the customary public
90 -certs both days as usual.
The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1902-05-14
FUNERAL OF
ROBT. LISHMAN
his Remains Were Buried in the
Beautiful Nuuanu
Cemetery.

Beneath a mound OF newly turned
sod. almost hidden from the sun by g
profusion OF flowers that tell of the
sincere sorrow of a multitude Of friends
and relatives. the remains OF Robert
Lishman are at rest in Nuuanu Val
ley cemetery. The funeral OF the we'll
known kamaaina took place yesterday
afternoon from his late residence on
Keeaumoku street. Makiki. services be-
ing conducted there and also at the
grave. Hundreds of the former asso-
ciates and friends Of the deceased as
sembled to give evidence of the es-
TEEN in which they held him.
At the residence a large gathering of
people assembled in the parior and on
the lanais. The casket rested in the
parlor. almost covered with a profu-
sion of flowers and leis. and other fio-
raj offerings filled the house with a
gentle perfume. The grief-stricken
family remained near the casket dur
ing the service. which was conducted
by Rev. William NJ. Kincaid, of Cen
trail Union, consisting of Mrs j. T
Mcdonald. soprano: Mrs. Cornelia B.
Damon. alto; Charles Elston. tenor. and
Professor A. +. Ingalls,. bass, sang
beautifully abide With Me-" and
Just AS / Am" The minister read
the full Congregational service of the
dead with much feeling.
AT the conclusion of the benediction
the casket was borne TO the hearse
from the home which Mr.. Lishman had
enjoyed for SO many years. by the pail
bearers, Messrs. j. o. Carter. Colonel
George w. Macfarlane. Robert Cat
ton, w. F. Allen. John F. Soper and f.
j. Wilhelm. Close behind them came
several of the sons and daughters of
the deceased, William, Thomas. Percy
and George Lishman. Mrs. Jane Moore. |
Mrs. Creighton, Miss Margaret Lish- |
man and Miss Daisy Lishman. The |
widow did not go to the cemetery. John |
Lucas, an old friend of the deceas ed |
had charge of the funeral. The inter- |
ment was in Nuuanu Valley cemetery |
in the Lishman plot.
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SOLDIER WAS
ROUGHLY USED
bystandsrs Complain TO High
Sheriff Brown OF a Pol &C
Officer

| The rough handling Of coIored sol
der Of the Twenty-hfth Infantry yes.
terday afternoon on Fort street by DO
lice officer No. u attracted an unusual
" large crowd about the pair The
| soldier az consequence was taken 10
the station house suffering not only
from too much whisky. but from a
terrible blow received on his head al
the hands OF the officer. 4 Lieutenant
Of police saw the soldier in charge OF
comrade coming down Fort street.
Keeling under the influence OF liquor.
~ the man was In tow 81 a sober
man he allowed them To- pass on. but
later his attention was directed To- a pro-
tuberancc IN the mans hip pocket.
- hich had the appearance OF "a revol-
yer. He thereupon arrested the man
and took the revolver. one OF the army
pattern. from him. lie turned the man
over TO officer No. 10 at the corner OF
Fort and King streets. while ne turned
In call for the patrol wagon. The
latter did not respond quickly To- the
call. and as the Lieutenant herd a re-
vOlver In his hand. crowd rapidly
collected.
officer No. 10 held his man from the
rear by hts shoulders. steadyinE him
against an iron column at the entrance
TO the First National bank. While the
Lieutenant was turning In a second
call. officer No. II seemed to throw the
man violently 20 the cement pavement
and bounced down upon him. grasping
him BY the wrists. The soldiers head
struck the pavement a resOunding blow
and he did not move. Other police
officers came through the crowd by this
time and picked up the man. who be-
gan bleeding from the nose and from
a wound on the left temple.
number 81 gentlemen who saw the
occurrence rushed tO the scene and In
protested To- the Lieutenant
against the treatment accorded the
soldier. when the soldier was picked
up and laid In the patrol wagon-sev-
crai gentlemen went To- the police sta
ton 20 lodge a complaint against off,
Ger No. Ia. Keana by name. At the
station house the man was searched
and had $50 i'm bills upon his person.
He was still In a semi-uncOnsctOus con-
dillon when taken below t. a cell. High
Sheriff Brown instituted an inVestiga-i
ton. the gentlemen stating their COM
plants.
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MUSIC TONIGHT.
Bsrger's Band WILL Play at Thomas
equare.

Overture. Raymond ......... Thomas
COrnet Solo. Sea Flower zee. Robinson
Mr.. Charles kreutcr.
Grand Selection. The Rose 81
CASTLE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS. Baife
Songs
taJ Ltko Lehua. (bl Pua Pikake
Miss I. Keiiiaa
(cJ Elua no Maua. Id He Iniki.
Mrs. y. Aiapai
PART II.
Selection. The Messenger Boy ......
...................... = MOnckton
Finale. Lucia .............. Donizettf
Waltz. F1ambcaux .......... Fahrbach
The Laughing Polka ........ Fahrbach
The Star Spdugled Banner. .....
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Wip, low Again.

NrLA. April ls.-Dr. Harry E.
eve. surgeon in charge 81 the
-sd hospital. came 20 Manila
well % his sister Mrs q. II.
~ went home with her hus-
emit. the Twelfth Infantry.
r~0m-ly impressed into the
I've Board OF Health. ana Is
20 q the detention camp.
The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1902-05-14
KEEP YOUR HEAD UNCOVERED

The Constant Wearing of Hat Prop
agates Dandruff Germs.
There are many men who wear their
hats practically all the time when
awake, and are blessed with a heavy
shock of hair; yet if the scalps of these
same men once became infested with
dandruff germs, the parasites would
multiply all the quicker for lack of air
Badness would ensue as the final re-
suit. Newbro's Herpicide kills these
germs and stimulates unhealthy hair
to abundant growth. Herpicide is a
pleasant hair dressing as well as a
dandruff cure and contains not an atom
OF injurious substances.
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ATTORNEYS.

FRED W. MILvERTON.-Room SIS
304 Stangenwald block; Tel. Main SsS.
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BROKERS.
CHIROPODIsT.

d. VI. THOMSON.-Expert Chiropoiist.
No. IL Garden Lane. between Union
and Beretania streets.
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PROFESSIONAL CARDS.
ARCHITECTS

& PAGE. Architects ana
Builders.-Office, I'd floor, Elite build
ing, Hotel street: sketches and cor
rect estimates furnished at short ne
tice; Tel. 22s; p. o. box 773.
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T. E. GROSSMAN, D.D.S.-Afaksa st.,
three doors above Masonic Temple,
Honolulu; office hours, Sam. to pm.
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i compounded with the greatest Of
care and contains nothing Injurious
. - safe and reliable remedy for
stsmaeh complaints. and has n record
81 afty years OF cure to its credit.
Navy prominent physicians prescrsb-
7ht recommend ~ as a cure for DYs-
PpPSIA. INDIGESTION. FLATU-
lkCf. BELCHTNG. NERVOUS
NGSS and INSOMNIA. TRY 1T. The
gssuine must have our PRIVATE DIE
STAMP over the neck OF the bottle.
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Or. GEO. II. HUDDY.-McIntyre bldg,
rooms and 2; 8 a. m. to p. m.
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CATION, NELL & CO., LTD.-Engi-
neers, Electricians and Boilermakers.
Honolulu.
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E. TAPPAN TANNATT.-Civil and
Electrical Engineer. Office, Room 4.
Spreckels block. Residence, 1913 Will
der Ave. Telephone, Main 1872.
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DIR. A. c. WALL, DIR. o. Z. WALL
Office hours, a. m. to p. M; Love
bldg, Fort ST.: Tel. 434.
The Appeal. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn. ;) 1889-19??, 1902-01-25
"LOST RIVER"

At the Grand Opera House. St. Paul,
Lost River" next weeks attraction
at the Grand Opera House, owes much
of it's success to the strongly marked
contrasting characters of the play,
which accentuates and throws into
high relief the peculiarities of many Of
the smaller characters. as in the case
of Ezra .Cookus, the bus driver and
leader of the Hoosier "Orchestry,
whose broad comedy scenes produce
roars of laughter greatly due perhaps
to the gloom and viciousness of Bill
Louchs, a finely drawn but hideous
character. Bill is one of the men who
are reeking with the desire to be bad,
not so much because he has happier
time while surfeited with viciousness
than could be possible under other cir
cumstances. Ora, the heroine is an
artless, winning little country girl full
OF grit and desperately in love with a
stalwart young New Yorker, Bob Bless
ing, far above her in social station.
But .'love levels all ranks and lays the
shepard's crook beside the sceptre'
and Bob, forgetful Sof his New York
fiancee, falls in love with the illiterate
little Hoosier and tells her so. The
pathos and tenderness of these love
The Appeal. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn. ;) 1889-19??, 1902-01-25

The famous chef, John Godfrey, has
moved his boarding house to No, 552 Wa
basha street, between Tenth street and
College avenue, where he has all the mod
ern corveniences. and is, getter than ever
prepared to serve his guests. Board and
rooms by the day, week or month at rea-
sonable rates. Meals, IS cents. Sunday
dinners from 1 100 to 5 100 speciality
T'ransients accommodate fed Il. hs5st,t9 4 ~
The Appeal. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn. ;) 1889-19??, 1902-01-25

by the people Of Louisiana He was
the owner of fine plantation and was
man of considerable means. He was
appointed naval officer by Mckinley
April, 1899, at a salary of $4,000 per
year. " -
Last Wednesday evening Mesdames
Tobie, Southall and Lindsay entertain
ed at an informal dancing party in
honor of Miss Amelia Porter of Duluth,
at the residence of Mrs. W. S. Motif
The house was decorated with ever
green's and potted plants in a most ar
tistic manner. Miss Carrie Lindsay of
Saltwater, and Mrs. J. W. Peyton, as
sisted in receiving. Miss Vera Simons
presided at the punch bowl. During
the evening the guests were serenaded
by the Lenora Mandolin club, which
rendered some very select music, for
| which the hostesses tender thanks
About fifty guests were present.
/ On Monday of last week Mesdames
G. E. and G.. w. James, assisted by
number of the friends of Mr.. and Mrs.
| H. B. Howard, rendered them surprise
party, the occasion being the twentieth
anniversary of their wedding day. The
| house was filed by their friends, who
| enjoyed themselves hugely in various
| ways. Light refreshments were served.
Mr.. and Mrs Howard were presented a
| beautiful china dinner set as token
of the appreciation in which they are
held by a number of their friends
The occasion was very pleasant in
| every way and at late hour the guests
departed, wishing the bride and groom
| many happy returns of the day.
The funeral Of Mr. Joseph. Myers,
who died on Friday of last week, was
held at his late residence, No. SCI Sib-
ley, on Monday afternoon at 3 o'clock,
Rev. J. G. Anderson officiating, assisted
by Rev. D. E. Butler and T. Reeves of
Minneapolis. The deceased was 80
years Of age and leaves wife and sew
eral relatives to mourn their loss He
was member of Pride of Minnesota
Lodge, X. P, the members of which at
tended in a body, headed by the Min
neapolis brass band. There was an
immense concourse of the friends of
the deceased present to pay their last
| tributes of respect and the floral
tributes were numerous and beautiful.
Willis G.. Robinson pleaded guilty to
assault in the third degree before Judge
Jaggard Wednesday and got off with
sentence of three months in the coun-
ty jail. Robinson is one of the walters
who cut at each other in the, Ryan ho-
| tel. William Burrill, the other man,
was armed with a razor, while Robin
son engaged with bread knife Rob-
inson has been waiter for thirty
years, of which he has spent twenty in
st. Paul, and his attorney, Mr.. PEBBLES
4 declared that his client had borne an
excellent character. Robinson shows
frightful scar, which, beginning in his
hair, bisects his. left cheek. It is but
just healed, and the marks of many
stitches are plainly visible. The grand
jury did not find an indictment against
VIM. Burrill, so he will go free.
The Appeal. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn. ;) 1889-19??, 1902-01-25

ence are needed to help the good cause.
Meet every Wednesday evening at St.
Peters church. &,s,
/. The revival meetings that has been in
progress at Bethesda Baptist church
for several days, conducted by Evange-
list Nickerson, will continue until
Tuesday evening, Jan. %. At. the close
OF the sermon Sunday evening, the
ordinance of baptism will be observed.
Also candidates will receive baptism
Tuesday evening.
The offfce Of THE APPEAL has been
The Appeal. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn. ;) 1889-19??, 1902-01-25

moved from room No. 610 Northwest
ern Building. The local staff now con-
sists of Henry Roberts, manager; W.
Jackson, secretary and treasurer; A. J..
Ford, reporter. The Office will be open
to visitors from 10000 to 1900 a. m.
and from $500 to 500 p. m. ALL COM
munications will receive due considera-
ton. .r..-st
Mrs. Lenem Akers Harris, daughter
of Mrs. Samuel Akers, died last Friday
evening from the effects of an overdose
OF poison taken to commit suiside, after
a quarrel with her lover, Mr.. Harris
(whitel.. She died before aid could be
given her. She leaves a mother and lit
tie boy years old. Rev. T. Reeves
spoke over her remains Sunday at 2
o'clock.
st. Peters church was we'll filled Sun
day evening to listen to a nicely ar
ranged program that was rendered by
some of the best talent in the Twin
Cities. Lawyer McGhee, of St. Paul,
made grand talk, which was highly
appreciated, also Lawyer w. R. Nor
rls spoke on the Bible. Solos were
rendered by Mrs. B. F. Pierre and
Mesdames White, which was one of the
best heard in our city for some time
Mr.. and Mrs. J.. L. Neal entertained
a number of young folks in honor of
their son Charles fourteenth birthday
at their home 1923 Fifth avenue So
The hours for receiving were from Z
till 10 o'clock. About thirty responded
to the invitations. Among those pres
ent were Misses Ella and Florence
Cunningham, V. Steel, Rubie Banner,
M. Plummer, Mae Preston, Bertha
Wilkins, Ardela Brown, Lima Smith,
Sarah Weir Ida Gray, Rubie Coleman
and Miss Agnes Reeves; Messrs limo
thy and Ray Reeves, Ray and. Ralph
Roberts, G. Della, S. Brown, Harry Har-
per, G. Plummer, w. Cottor, L.. Lucius,
Harvey Moss, E. Brown and Jessie
Barnes.
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II
Room for rent; exceIlentry furnished
Apply at 7O7 e. 18th 81. 3.
Mr.. C.. T. Pointer, the elevator con.
tractor, left last Sunday for Chicago.
Miss Oracle Kane has secured a sit
uation at the Powers Mercantile store
Mrs. Sallie Williams is now able Ia
return to her situation at the Glass
Block. ss., -gs
Mrs. H. Sample is sick at her home
18th street and End avenue, with the
diphtheria. .s.+5 l.5
= Never venture out of your own
sphere Of thought. People will cal
you ignorant. M 4. H IN Isl.
Never criticize unless you know
what you are talking about. People
will smoker at you slyly. Is
Pride Of Minnesota, K. Of p. No
5, meets .e.rst and third Thursday al
l04 Hennepin avenue south. BE-
The Christian Endeayor meets every
Sunday $50 p. m at Bethesda Bap-
list church. Youpare most cordially
invited.
Mr.. Gus Gould, who has served as
special police for the last eight years
at S. E. Olsen's store, has resigned;
owing to ill health. @.'z 4 n
Miss M. Jackson, mil11ner and mo-
diste, ladies' tailoring. French clean
ing and curling feathers a speciality
No. 1909 South Fifth street.
-- q" lis
DR.. r. s. Brown has moved his of1c,
into the Century Building, No: 4,
Fourth street south, rooms 4O5, and 40k,
Office phone, N. w.. 3271-J-1 Main.
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The Appeal Is mailed to most OF
the homes of the people OF the Twin
Cities, and It you wish matters to reach
these homes you must publish them in
the Appeal. 1.s & q
+ The Wayman Home Circle meets
every Tuesday evening at ST. Peters
church. You are invited to come out
and join the Circle and help the good
cause along. 5s
Bethesda Baptist church, Eighth
street, between Eleventh and Twelfth
avenue south. Rev. NJ w. Withers,
pastor. Preaching IL a. M and 8 j.. N.
All are invited. ,s n.
st. James church, Minneapolis (Rev.
.. p. Butler, pastor), has moved from
405 Sixth avenue south to Eighth ave-
nue., near Washington avenue south.
Services as usual.
S Rev.$W. Z. Nickerson, Evangelist Of
Columbia, Tenn, is assisting Rev. M.
8 w. Withrow in ten-days' meeting
He breaches with power. You are in
vited to the services
There will be three services at
Bethesda Baptist church Sunday Jan.
S26. Morning IL a. M: afternoon p.
M; evening 8 p. m. All are cordially
invited to the special services in the
afternoon ~
At the revival services at Bethesda
Baptist church last Tuesday evening,
the house was crowded. Rev Nicker-
son preached doctrinal sermon on
Baptism, after which Pastor Withers
'baptised seven persons.
great success. Rev. VI. Nickerson,
the Evangelist of Columbus. Tenn, but
The Appeal. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn. ;) 1889-19??, 1902-01-25

recently Of Marshalltown, a., is
grand speaker and practical worker.
The members and friends of st.
Peters church are now rehearsing for
a grand cantata to be given in the near
future in which SO persons are required.
About ten more are needed; your pres