The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1902-12-04
HOW AUSTIN
MET CHARGES
CONTINUED from yesterday

in the latter part of August, 1902, did
Mr.. Austin apply to you and request
you to loan him for his personal use
the sum of $3.50 of the public funds, col
lected as fines and costs by you in
your official capacity?
A. Well, he came to me and asked
me to loan him $3.50; there were two
different occasions.
@. Well, the first occasion, the Au-
gust ore, please?
A. On that occasion he came to me
and asked me for loan OF money; l
told him I didn't have any money; he !,
stated that he was in very serious
trouble and had to have money; he said
that he had to have it by o'clock
@. Do you remember the date?
A. don't remember the date, be-
cause 1 am not quite certain of the
date; I think it was in the latter part
of August; and Mr. Austin said that
he had to have it by 2 o'clock because
he was in great pilikia; 1 told him 81
MT got it." He proposed Mr.. Dow first.
said: He hasn't got it," He said:
Haven't you any friends from whom
/ you could get it?" I said: II do not
know anybody 1 could borrow it from"
| He said: Perhaps you could get 1T
/ from Mr.. Brooks, the lawyer" and he
said: Go right away and try him"
l Il Al int
| the little office next to the High Sher-
| iff. / got on my bicycle and rode up
| to the judiciary building. l saw Mr..
Brooks and said to him: Mr.. Austin is
| in pilil1ia," and told him the amount. l
said: He has to have it, can you lend
| it to him?" and he said: Il haven't got
bean" Mr.. Austin had followed me
up to the Judiciary building and heard
| just what Mr. Brooks had to say in
reference to lending the money. I told
Mr.. Brooks who it was for; Mr.. Brooks
! said: ST am broke, dead broke" 1
said to Mr.. Austin: You heard what
Mr.. Brooks said.
TRIED AGAIN TO BORROW.
| Subsequent to that, since that time,
! he came to me again; it was not very
long afterwards, and wanted to bor-
row money again; and he said: Char
lie, l have to have it; I am in pilikia;
want the money" I said to him II
am sorry that cannot let you have it.
did have a little money of my own
but could not lend it to him, because l
heard some other things which made
me feel that could not lend it to him;
and he said: Haven't you got any
money at all in the drawer" and
said: mo, I haven't got anything in
| the drawer at ALL" He said: Are you
certain?" / said: Eyes, 1 am certain.
1 have turned all the money in to Mr..
! Dow" because when he spoke of the
| drawer / took it for granted that he
meant the Government funds, because
| there could not have been any other
funds but the Governments. He said:
| Glow says you haven't 1 said: IF
| it comes to the question of veracity
| between men let us go to Mr.. Dow and
see." This was between Mr.. BOWS Of
flee and mine in the hallway Mr.. Aus
tin said: Never mind" He said: You
| haven't any money at all?" 1 said:
mo, L turned in everything to Mr..
! Dow" because that was near the end
| of the month and everything is turned
| in to Mr.. Dow so that he can turn it
| into the Treasury. When the papers
came out, in fact in Governor Dole's
letter, it would give people the impress
sion that 1 had loaned the money. 1t
was not the case. The money was not
mine and 1 would not, lend it,
The Chairman: Q. Mr. Chillingworth,
| you are perfectly sure that Mr.. Austin
! asked you for money out of the drawer?
! A. Yes, sir, / am positive Mr.. Austin
asked me for money which 1 was sup
posed to turn over to Mr.. Dow.
| Q. Now, between us, had you turned
over the money to Mr.. Dow that you
told him you had2
A There may have been small por
ton left; l turned over nearly all of it;
the money is turned over in INSTALL
ments; one week, perhaps, you turn
over 5000, then in four or five days, if
we get certain amount, that is also
turned in to Mr.. Dow.
Q. Both days that he came to you
and asked you for public money?
A. AS 1 said, that is all 1 know.
., The first time he simply asked
you for a loan?
A. When 1 was questioned by the
Secretary I was asked if it was my
pteSSlOH II was ,
it was my impression, before. Mr.. Aus
tin didn't say Government funds" he
said: Haven't you got any money in
the drawer?"
Q. The first time he never said any
thing about the drawer?
I A. No; the first time he asked me for
money, did l know where 1 could raise
d it?
Mr. McCandless: @. Mr.. Chilling
worth, is Mr.. Austin in the habit of
coming to you and asking you if you
had turned over your money to Mr..
Dow?
a. 1t is the first time in my recollec-
ton; 1 am positive it is the first time.
Q, He never but that one time asked
you if you had turned over your
money?
a. That is the only time. In case
he wanted the report hurried up |
would see letters addressed to the Sher-
if by him; that is all.
HENRY HAPATS STATEMENT.
The Chairman: Q. Mr.. Hapai, l will
read you this section of Mr.. Dole's let
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