The Hawaiian gazette., 1902-05-06

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g.trfo.f DOLE think their plnn
VAS 90 retain she majority thct hcld
LOO tho Senate Was h not Nj WI.
.l,' That ia my impression
The chairman cay che Home /
Uuiers" had certain plan That term
.a rai very ineligible 20 No.
Governor Dole There are three par
'as boz the Hawaiian tsiandF-the Re- |
IHrU'irans. the Democrats and the Home
Eulot. The Home Rulers are 10 mo
majority in both houses ~ the Legs
4ture: and in the Senate their major
fty is within one Of q two-thirds ma
i5riiy. II they could get that one. ~
would give them the power Go carry a
vote over veto.
Tho Chalrman-tiow many ~ these
seven who are Go go out according 10
the provisions Of this bill are Home
Rulers. and how many are Democrats
or Republicans?
Governor Dole-In Section .. Mr..
Paris H. a Republican and Mr.. Russell
is a Home Ruler-at least he was
elected as n Home Ruler. That makes
one OF each of those parties.
In the Second Senatorial district Mr..
White is a Home Ruler. That makes
two Home Rulers and one Republican.
In the Third district. Mr. Kanuha Is
Home Ruler. Mr.. Garter is "A Re
publican and MIR. Kalauokalani Is a
Home Ruler.
The Chairman-In the fourth district
there Is another?
Governor Dole-Yes: Mr. Kahilina Is
a Home Ruler.
Senator Burton-This bill would cut
down the majority Of the Home Rulers,
would 1t not?
=. Governor Dole-Yes.
The Chairman-Five Home Rulers
would go out?
| Governor Dole-Yes. FIVE.
The Chairman-Is william White. of
the Second Senatorial district. Home
Ruler?
| Governor Dole-Yes.
The Chairman-You would take out
two Republicans. Paris and Carter?
Governor Dole-Yes.
The Chairman-And five Home Rul'
ers?
Senator Carter-Mr. Chairman. as
am one of the Senators. i would lik'
to say that do not think the Gov
ernor liz exactly correct in chasing
! Senator Kanuha and Senator Russell
! as Home Rulers.
Governor Dole--I said they wer'
elected as Home Rulers.
Senator Carter-Senator Kanuha b
. as much Democrat as he is a Hom
Ruler and has practically left the HON
Rule party: There are really three par
r ties in the field. This question wa
thrashed out in the lower house, an
o the attitude taken there was that the
did not want to change the present pc
Z ltioal proportion. which is "A physca
I mpossibility when there is an cd
e number to select. Really. the bill pro
= vides for the removal of two Hon
: Rulers, two Independents with Demo
- cratic leanings, and three Republican,
The Chairman-You are George /
l. Carter, one of the Senators mentione
II in this bill?
II Senator Carter-Yes, sir.
The Chairman-I will call call you
+ the stand directly. ] simply want
a get that statement in the record 4
l. purposes of Identification.
II Mr. Wilcox would like to spea
5 about these parties.
y The Chairman will give you
u chance in a little while. Mr.. WilCo
% II you do not mind waiting. l woul
u rather complete the statement of Coy
s. ernor Dole, SO as not to have 1t a
IT broken up.
e Is there anything further that yc
II wish to say. Governor?
"a Governor Dole-The only other pract
lie cable way, | think, would be to call (,
IS an entirely new election of Senators.
II, this plan is regarded as unfair or III
ID satisfactory, the only reasonable thir
left Is to call for a new election of q
Is the Senators. seven of them to ser'
D for two years and eight OF them f,
N four years. After that they would
rs elected for four years at every electio
II The Chairman-As I understand
IL the party affiliations of these men ha,
s. nothing to do with their being name
} In this bill for retirement You wei
governed i'm drawing II by the fa
I, that they received the lowest votes
II their respective districts?
$. Governor Dole-Yes; that rule va
IF adopted as a fair one.
The Chairman-Your idea being thu
the men who received the least vot,
'r would have been selected for the sho
W terms If they had been so voted for?
IS Governor Dole-Yes.
The Chairman-What is the situate
10 you are in II we do not do anything?
Governor Dole-We can have no Lei
is islature.
The Chairman-They are elected 4
four years, are they not?
n Governor Dole-Well, seven of them
g. which seven we do not know-are SUI
I'd stantially elected for two years, b
to cause the provision was that tn,
er should be selected by the Legislator
he We would be IN absolute confusion
regard to who those seven men WEI
ly II would undoubtedly be an illegal lie
L islature in regard to seven Of the mer
us beers of the Senate
Senator Mallory did not unde
ed stand why it is that the Legislatu
H. could not do this.