The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1902-04-13

namely and properly"
This is the statement made to the Jour-
nal last night by Governor Durbin. who
returned at 1870 o'clock from Michigan
City. anxious to get few hours rest and
relaxation before taking up the routine
of the investigation again Monday morn
ing The Governor will return to the prison
tonight. and the examination of witnesses
will begin promptly tomorrow morning,
and will continue until all summoned have
had their say.
There is a possibility that the investiga-
ton may be concluded by Monday night;
II not then. by Tuesday noon, the Governor
thinks. The bulk OF the witnesses called at
the instance OF Dr. Horne have been ex-
amined. and tomorrow Deputy Barnard.
Guard Webster and others who are alleged
10 have been guilty Of brutality to pris-
oners Will be given an opportunity to tell
the Governor. the Board of Control and the
State Board OF Charities their side Of the
case.
''Will you take up the charges against
DR. Horne himself before the examination
is concluded?" Governor Durbin was asked.
That" he replied. 'is a matter for the
State Board of Charities to consider, and
not question that enters into the present
examination. We were called to Michigan
City TO investigate allegations made by
the doctor against Deputy Barnard and
guards. With that the investigation is
concerned directly and not with counter
charges against DIR. Horne. If the Charity
Board decides 10 make charges Of irregu-
larities against DR.. Horne the basis Of
another investigation to be made after
the present one comes to an end it has
the power"
"win the board make such an investiga-
tion?"
IL cannot say now as to that" the Gov
ernor answered. I'VE are concerned for
the present with one thing, to investigate
charges preferred by DR.. Horne not
against HIM
INSANE WITNESSES.
Returning TO the subject of the Barnard
investigation, the Governor said: THE
difficulties we have had TO combat in the
way of securing reliable testimony have
been very great. Many of the witnesses
examined are either mentally unbalanced
or actually insane. Not infrequently they
would talk for time nationally enough.
and then fall again under the sway Of their
mental weakness and begin 10 ramble
rs the presiding officer of the investigation
it is not fitting for me 10 predict what its
result will be. / can only repeat at this
time what 1 have said already, that none
of the charges against Barnard have been
borne out by DR.. Horne's witnesses"
''Some OF the testimony seems to indicate
that few OF the guards have been harsh.
or at least thoughtless in their treatment
OF the prisoners" it was suggested to the
Governor.
I'm some cases that is probably true"
was the reply. AT the same time IL was
apparent from the testimony that wherever
harshness Of treatment was indicated it
was in dealing with prisoners who were
SO violent that the very lives of their
guards were often in danger. But no cruel
ties OF the kind indicated by DR.. Horne
have as yet been brought to the attention
of the boards and myself. The people of
the State can depend that this investga-
tion will be conducted TO the end with the
sole object OF getting at the truth and pun
conducted himself in an improper way"
Reverting 10 the subject of the position
fn which DIR. Horne now finds himself the
Governor said: The man is actually in
state OF collapse and an object of sympa-
thy rather than anything else. The serious
charges that have been made against him
have unnerved him and have affected him
physically
why do you suppose a reputable physi-
cian. as Dr.. Horne was stated 10 be- would
place himself in 50 false a position?"
1T is more than possible the Governor
answered, THAT he has been made the tool
of persons having political axes TO grind.
A very close relative Of his said To me
Yesterday: Governor. the doctor has been
unduly influenced by close political friends.
and has gone much further I'm this matter
than he ever intended 10 GO believe that
10 be the case myself. IL is possible ne
may have some grievances against the
management OF the prison. but l do not
think ne would ever have preferred such
serious charges against Mr.. Barnard II ne
rad not been spurred on by men who have
remained in the background. Then. too. IL
is likely that DR.. Horne was Influenced by
seusational newspapers 10 proceed In ,io
krnatter. even against his better judgment.
I a.he Governor was unable TO say when