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The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1901-10-18
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GERS of the Emily Reed, whose bonds
were declared forfeited by Judge Estee
Monday because of their failure to an
swer to their names when read. In
the affidavit filed by Mr. Dunno he
states that the bonds of the men re-
quired their appearance in court Octo-
Der Ia, and not being present their
bonds We're properly forfeited. He
denies that the men are held on in
formations, but states that such infor-
nations We're null and void, and were
SO held to be by Colonel Baird; that
they were drawn upon opportunities
of the seamen themselves, in order that
they might have a speedy trial. Fur
Their, that Mr.. Baird had never declar-
ed his intention of having the infor-
nations dismissed, as he always said
that they were. Of no effect, and fur
Their, that Captain Baker and Mate
Mcdonald were similarly situated as
persons merely waiting the action of
the Federal Grand Jury
Mr.. Dunno further charges that the
two defendants had no intention of
returning to Honolulu for trial, and
says:
'I further state the fact to be that
George A. Baker referred to in the
affidavit of defendants counsel, was
and still is master of the American
ship Emily Reed, and that the said
Charles Mcdonald is the first officer
of said ship, and that said Emily Reed
is now under charter and loading, if
not already loaded, for Australia, and
that said ship is now about to sail, if
she has not already sailed, from the
city of San Francisco, for Australia;
that it is the purpose and intention of
said Baker and said Mcdonald. instead
of complying with the conditions and
recognizing the obligation of said rec
ognizance to go in and with said ship
to Australia, and not to come to said
Honolulu, as required by the terms of
said recognizance, and that 1t is the
intention of them and each Of them to
forfeit said recognizance.
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AUCTION Sale
vALUABLELEASES
ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 20,
AT u O'CLOCK NOON,

At II O'CLOCK NOON,
At my saiesroom, SIS Queen street. Ho-
uoiulu, will sell at Public Auction, by
order of the TRUSTEES OF THE Es-
TATE OF BERNICE P. BISHOP. the
following valuable leases:
1st-The mauka portions OF the lands
OF Kahauloa 2, Keel 2 and Keokea, sit
uate in the District OF Kona, Island OF
Hawaii, above the line Of new forest
fence and containing an area Of 1000
acres, more or less.
Terms OF lease p years. Upset price
for annual net rental $4,000.
The Lessee to maintain In good con-
EDITION the forest fence or wall on the
KeaIakekua boundary and along the
makai boundary of the demised prem
ises.
2nd-Three (3) tracts Of land in Ka-
hauloa second in the District OF Ko-
ma, Island OF Hawaii, below the forest
and bounded by the government roads
and land leased to John Gaspar. Terms
OF leases twenty-one years.
Lot 1--15 acres, net upset annual
rental, 5000.
Lot 2-57 acres. net upset annual
rental. s175.0O.
Lot 3-207 acres. net upset annual
rental. $625.0o.
Lessees to fence said demised prem
tses with a good substantial legal fence
or wall, and maintain same in good con-
dition during the term OF leases; also to
clear and remove all lantana from said
premises.
3rd-A lot at the south corner of Ma
unakea and Beretania streets. Front
age OF IS feet on Maunakea street and
21h feet on Beretania street.
Term of lease 81 years. Upset net
annual rental $4,000.
4th-Two lots on the Eva side OF Ma
unakea street, between Beretania and
Pauahi streets, each having frontage
Of 10 feet and depth OF about s6 feet
Term of lease q years. Upset net an
nual rental $4,000.
TERMS OF THE SALE on all OF the
above leases are: Cost OF drafting all
leases. acknowledgements, ETC., and al
expenses connected Herewith to be
borne by the lessees.
a deposit Of one-quarter OF the rent
OF the first year will be required from
successful bidders within five days from
the date of the sale.
For further particulars apply at the
Office OF the TRUSTEES of the B. P
BISHOP ESTATE. No. II Merchant
street, Honolulu.
JAS. F. MORGAN,
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The brain of the ant has been the
interesting subject of recent study by
Prof. Forel, the Swiss zoologist. This
organ is well developed in the workers.
smaller in the females, and merely
rudimentary in the males, The insects
have the senses of sight. smell, touch
and taste, hearing being doubtful. The
ants are endowed with memory and
reasoning powers. and in their welfare
it is easy to see their courage, their
despair, their ardor for the fray, and
their personal hatreds.
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Elegant Residence
Mr.. c. j. lUDWIGSEN
AT AUCTION
On Saturday, October 10,
AT II O'CLOCK NOON.

At my salesroom, 65 Queen street, I
will sell at Public Auction, the ele-
CANT homestead of Mr. c. ]. Ludwig
sen, situated on the corner of LUNA
LILO and KEEAUMOKU streets.
The property faces 200 feet on Luz
naiilo street, $50 feet on Keeaumoku
street and 200 feet on Matlock street.
Grounds are well cultivated and nice
ly kept
parlor and sitting room, dining and
sewing room, kitchen, pantry, etc.
Large new dwelling house contains
Upstairs four spacious bedrooms,
with clothes-closets and bath.
Servants quarters on the grounds.
A fine opportunity to obtain one of
the incest residences in Honolulu.
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Auction Sale
Valuable Property near Punch
bowl street, and on the pro-
posed extension Of Fort street
On Saturday, October 20.
AT II O'CLOCK NOON.

al IL " N~1SSA NOO4Ns
At my salesroom. SIS Queen street.
will sell at Public Auction. valuable
parcel OF land near the Pauoa bridge
with roadway leading to Punchbowi
street.
Property has a frontage Of IT $40
feet on PunchbowI street with lane Of
the same width leading to the large
premises.
The main lot has a width OF over 100
feet and depth OF 2ss feet.
Property lies on both sides Of The
Pauoa stream. and within a few feet
Of the proposed extension Of Fort street.
A roomy Dwelling House. with Barns
and Chicken Houses are on the prop
erty.
Property can be readily subdivided
into several building sites, and is an ex-
cellent chance for investment.
Maps and further particulars at my
Office.
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JAS. F. MORGAN,
WOMAN'S EXCHANGE.
AUCTTONEER.

814 FORT ST.
HAS FOR SALE THE BEST GEN
eral assortment Of Hawaiian and Pact
&c Island Curious in the city. Hons
made Poi on Tuesdays and Friday&
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made. You really would have a nice
figure If you carried yourself properly
and that stupid man had not made your
jacket ever 50 much too long wasted in
the back. If you viii excuse me, Kitty,
must go. have an engagement to
take lunch with the dowager Duchess
Of Upsleigh- You know she is visiting
her people here in New York. Miss
Bender, I am delighted to hear of your
success. You deserve it. Good morn
ing" And, with a frou frou of her silk
petticoat, my aunt disappeared down
the staircase.
Maisie walked over to a vase full Of
flowers and began picking a rose to
pieces. Il hear you have pretty new
red gown. Kitty. Will you show it to
me ?" she said.
I took it out Of the closet and laid it
before her It is made OF the wool veil
ing which is so fashionable, and it is all
trimmed with quarter inch black satin
ribbon laid fiat and stitched. Maisie
lifted the black chiffon tie which goes
with it. then she suddenly turned from
the dress and faced me.
Kitty" she said, he never was in
love with you-never was engaged 70
yeu-was hep
I started and dropped the belt which
I was holding. why do you ask that?"
Maisie pulled at her glove nervously.
ooh, well. he told me he had never loved
any girl before-and-you were so much
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The man miIliner has planted his feet
inside OF womaH's sphere.
Lastly. we have in the beginning OF
this twentieth century American nan
kitchen girls. Here. however. woman
viii probably Be quite willing to let man
have her sphere and welcome. He may
do al the Homework. and she win not
grudge It 10 him He may wrestle with
the coal and ashes. with the securing
and frying, With the Monday washing
ana the Friday sweeping 10 the end OF
his days. and she viii not say him nay.
When lately a young man advertised
for a place as kitchenmaid. anncuncins
himself as 81 expert IN all kinds q
houSewoTk." he made report that ~
was crowded with offers OF employ
ment- His present mistress dearest
friends sweetiy endeavor 10 bride him
away from her BY offers 81 higher wage
he showed his masculine superb
GRITTY BY laying down tae law TO his
employer IN the matter OF hours OF
labor He win toll from to s-no lon
ger But he says. I set more work
done in that time than three aired girls
can do" THERE'S nothing so becomes n
man as modest stiffness and humility
His specially is canning thincs. and his
dainty masculine hnEers are az their
best in putting up" preserved fruits
he says he gets S. a week salary"
with food and lodging. In his kitchen
he wears white deck uniform. lie
does not tell us whether his ironing
board is fringed with silk and embroid-
cred with white lilies or not Otner
young men. emulating his iIlussrlous
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WOMAN'S ODD LITTLE WAYS.

( THE Woman's Anti Personality
club had gone TO pieces over a
personal quarrel between Nine.
5 Andanta Portona and Mrs. Charles
van Hebrides- Some indefatigable la
dies after heroic exertion formed an
other-the w NJ I C.-Woman's Mu-
: tual Improvement club. The corner
( stone and the keystone Of this beauti-
full woman built arch 70 be was that
Z under no circumstances should gossip
be talked by members inside the club
!; room, during the session OF before or
after it X was calculated BY the
founders that. the ladies having p or
20 DAYS IN which 70 vent freely their
gossiping propensities. they would
have no trouble in restraining them
selves one day Under falrest onens
the X NJ I c. set sail Ms. Charles
van Hebrides said 20 her husband.
For the first six months We shall
have instruction In ariiaraeHtary law
and usage. After that we shall learn
extempore speaking
It's my opinion as married man
that women know enough about *
tempore speaking Bow, replied Van
Hehrdes.
Charles. you wouldn't have said
that 20 M before We vers married.
Observed the lady severely
Naturally not. sai1 Van Hebriaes-
on the day Of the meeting nlembers
gathered sarly-ro discuss presurna-
BY parliamentary law before they
we're called - order The secretary
and the custodian stood together near
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thlhss, especially in character It was
at Bar HarbOr. We were walking along
road through the woods. 1t was a
brilliantly beautiful morning: countless
butterflies flew around US and lighted
in the path at our very feet But we
noticed neither the sunshine nor the
flowers nor the butterflies. for we were
quarreling. For the first time discov-
cred an ugly streak in Jacks character.
He was almost sullen, il seemed to me.
Just al this moment a pretty golden
butterfly lighted on a tuft Of grass
right in his path. He saw il and might
easily have stepped over IL. He stepped
on II and left il quivering and half dead
I never felt such wave Of Indignation
sweep over me in my Hfs. laid my
hand on his arm and turned him forci-
bly, around GO back I said. and
put that little thing out Of agony" Ny
voice was dangerously soft. and he
obeyed me ike q child And now" 7
remarked. still in the same calm tone
our engagement is at an end And il
was
Was I wrong7 Nc. I think not for
man who could wreak his temper on
helpless little insect would he capable
in the future OF wreaking II on the wo-
man who depended on him And that 7
made sure would not happen 10
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some living trimming-yeas actually
trimming-women's hats and bOnnets.
know personally a young man whose
pride il is that his mothers bonnets.
fashioned by his own fair hands. are
the most stylish" in her particular cir
Gle Did not one poor soul OF man
milliner the other day commit suicide
because he could get no more bonnets
TO trim. or was IL perhaps because the
present eccentric shapes Of feminine
headgear finally struck in on him so
that he could endure the nightmare life
no longer. preferring the terrors Of the
unknown 10 the horrors OF the known?
At any rate. the rest is silence
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By TABITHA soURGRAPEs.

the door. II was the custOdiau's func-
ton 70 watch all comers she did 50.
Look al that Finkeify woman" she
whispered to the secretary. she has
had four new frocks ia the last two
months. There's the blue chevios
serge suit, the gray nuns yelling over
red silk. the plum colored cashmere
tea gown trimmed wlth coffee lace
and the olive green peau De sole with
the orange facings. And She's had
two new hats ia the fast rnouth-the
black chiffon with the pink roses and
the yellow straw with the bunch q
vioiets or &c. wonder how she can
afford them. with her husband only 3
clerk on q salary
"Iu ieu sou how Whispered me
secretary she makes All her oHu
clothes heralf stitches AZ them night
and cay when she ought 90 D. mind
inz her duti And they look Ike e
TOO What friehrs they are. ulfA that
home uladey. skewev look 20 every
one q them wouldn't wear her
thinEs-I wouldn't Har fhem - .
doE1 ght
A. a table nof Tar from re rresi-
resary ard tfe treanurer. They ODE
served RE recording seorefary. TIE
recording secretary. Ers. Bazzer. sna
fhe spending HecretarT. Ers-
NBzzer. were next ee9r re-ghboEs-
They were friends
Dear 3frs. ffgzzsr holEz be- Bad
Up bravery in good society," whssper-
- afrr- Gszzer fo fha ~ asgrer -E5si
enc has - sss1D aafulig - a. - Z
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cream lace and pockets with the flaps
or imitation flaps OF the lace and lace
cuffs 70 the sleeves These coats VIII
cost considerably more thau the Elton
coats, VIII Be less seen. buJ wlu please
many people
Former Empress Eugene has never
worn anything bHt black since The death
Of the prince imperial When travelling.
she favors silks and satins or veivets II
the highest order Of perfection. buzz 81
home she prefers cashmere
4 STAGE wedding oI-two members OF =
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NAN Is INVADING
N0NAN'0 SPHERE

was apparently the last refuge OF dis
gruntled womanhOod. yet even 1t has
been invaded. Tilted men begin 70 sue
Cor damaged affections 10 the value Of
$4,000 or. more. VIII woman tamely
submit 70 this. or VIII she rise in her
might before IL IS too late2
FoGFth.-The man dressmaker no lon
ger hides himself behind the gently de-
ceptive title OF madame" but throws
OF an disguise. boldly proclaims him
self and shamelesSly ships. smooths,
hts, hounces and gathers in the eyes OF
all the world. charging an able price for
1t. too. albeit he makes women do the
sewing As yet the man milliner is
more abashed and generally lets his
light shine under a feminine bonnet
name. so 10 speak But he is arriving
II is fact that there are today in New
York city several abIebodied. muscular
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example. are learning homework Have
we here foreshadowed the ethologic be-
ginnings Of the new mani BE these the
drops that presage the coming showarf
II so. so be It
Only one feminine occupation remains
uDgraspea AZ by man. IL is that ~
chlld's nurse. Is this 20 be taken from
woman too Are We on the eve % THAI
dawn which shall usher IN the baby
wagon man. IN coqueftish cap with long
ribbon streamers. Paris fashion. trun-
dlins our darliags through the fair park
walks and softly murmuring "kltchea
kitchee~ talk 20 them2
Again. II 50. 50 be 81
LILLIAN CRAY.
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believe they live on chuck steak o.
90 without meat hsf The time You
ought 20 see the washes the rnaia
hangs In their back yard-thinga
patched fm they look Ike a Fax bag
broken Icose. 7 wouldn't pretend -
Be anybody n 7 had 70 wash and iron
ny neck ribbons"
Meantime IN a corner one high uFl-
waite held forth 10 another bizh pri-
waite wifh
TITS queer they couf4n.t have fosn8
anybody bur Mfs. 1Iazzer for fhei~
ccrresp ondlra secretary. She raga
about siunaming and lets everything
20 ~ sixes and sevena az home Thav
eay her husband - going away - 80
q diV0rca because ria coffee asuavn
nag grounds IN lt"
JUST Ike a r1an- Coffee rroenfs
would - grounds for divorce u.fh
any - them. replied fhe ether hlrh
private.
~ t5e eiose ~ TIRE meeting he pre-
i1e1f remarked.
l<adies. psrrnit ne - remind you -
TIE hTiaw uuaalrnoualy adopted 80.
posing 8 fne - ~ cents 80 any srera-
bsF talking zoeEle within the rIat-
room. saeh DssexiaF heras.s - sfsa-s.
- also ~ report any esnar ze~sers -.
frins.rg this reie Tne PRESIDENT u.sn
Terraiz after the EasefIrr riezes ~ y.
eeifs arT z1eh re1-erL ne fresas.-sr
Nli - present eifh sHe rcHerfs..a
tafkef - Tsrasse ansa. TIE sseatfsr
q aaissrnss
Nef q w1saan sfaaf Tea eafeesteo Z
Basket rrrrz tra.f ss-r.ss..
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daHions q psnne. chine o. fne cloth
The newest - all q beau-lfu. exams s.
- sHsss lace wita white cloth aDssilsae.
IS outlined elth gu39 ail 0@er
The Luisereifv - Pennz5 ivaals has
received gift q fzsas frgga Ers g
p Nw1a.a - Phladefgh la for ne
erection - 1n ehstefEtcsl ernrshllf .s.lfer
- sn e1a3ran - fhe maternity err.art-
w1f ~ fne university hospital sfrs
Neule1 mz1e gre efff .n henar - hsr
saaher fhe tate Mzs Theme s Scoff
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mo and 7 sat at my little desl
+,,Tnfng over a pile of Invitations
mi Sophro.a MIA stood before th'
mirror trying on my new pink
hat must say it was frightful
IL unbecoming to her.
What a lot of wedding cards you
have received, Kitty" she mumoled'
viii, her mouth fun of ha.tpins-
YES. went to three weddings last
rock, 7 answered. Evidently these
neople have no superstitions- why 1
thought it was unlucky 10 wed IN May
NV aunt gave an affected sigh. 1t
used TO be" she murmureo- was
married in May"
tried to make a cheerful remark
But you have managed to have a pret-
~ good time since
my divorce" finished aunt Sophro-
MIA. with decision.
I FASTENED to change the converse
fion. "Oh, come, now Throw down
that fright Of a hat and tell me about
the rich Brewer-Leighton wedding that
YOU went to last week. Didn't you see
any new wrinkle that I could talk
about?"
I'm mini" muttered my aunt re-
aectfveIy. yes, I did see something,
but it wasn't at the Brewer wedding
You know that vulgar Mrs. Horners
niece Wen, little parvenue that she is,
she managed to capture that aristocrat-
fc Paul De Kyster. Auntie Homer was
50 pleased that she gave them q ire
mendous wedding. with a procession as
long as a pageant. The bridesmaids
were all rugged up in Gainsborough hats
OF black and silver, with pink gowns,
and the chief mourner-I beg your par
don. the bridesmaid-strode along pomp-
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together at Bar
H a T b or la st
summer.
ct h a t " a 9
nothing but a
platonic affair,
I said. laughing.
a n d NJ a s e
went away be-
lieving me.
Shall I tell
you why I broke
my engag cement
with Jack Went
worth? It was
a very little
thing. and yet
little things.
they say. are
signS of graa ger
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heaven. mixed. Some
times they cling in clusters, and often
one solitary name floats down alone
So, you see. we hardly ever get the an
gels messages as they were first in
tended"
Felicie is utterly lacking in poetic
sentiment, for just at this moment she
raped on the door Il take il for
granted that she was listening. She al
ways Isl ''Adees Bender she say she
must see you. mademoiselIe, she re-
marked.
Aunt sophronia and I exchanged
glances.
Send her up" 7 answered, noddine
to Felicie Aunt Sophronia seated her
self in my big coy chair and closed her
eyes with the most languid expression
imaginable.
There was an air of conscious fri
umph about BGaisie as she swept into
the room. She was dressed in A gray
tailor suit, and she wore a huge bunch
of violets, probably the gift of lack
She nodded toward my aunt and kissed
me warmly. oh. my dear I suppose
you've heard?' she cooed in rather af-
fected tones.
Aunt Sophfonla opened one eye Ia
lilly.
Jack is head over heels in love with
me. You never saw such devotion!"
AIaisie went on. You know, Easter
night, when I came down wearing that
white gown? Well Jack said he never
realized before how much like an angel
a girl could be-
Aunt Sophronia raised herself on one
elbow That's just what they were
saying at the Plumoset club the other
evening she remarked in gentle tones.
The men were laying bets, You know,
as to whether you would land Jack
Wentworth or not. and one of them-I
forget who it was-said that he bet
your new white gown would do the
business. believe he added that your
new sanity role was much more be-
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photo BY Reutlinger. Paris.

coming to you than the soubrette part
you have been playing for so many
years"
Two bright spots of color appeared on
Maisie's cheeks. Il don't think 1 IN
derstand you, Mrs. Sherbrooke," she
said.
ooh. yes, you DO" retorted my aunt
cheerfully, land, by the way, my dear,
let an old woman like myself IAunt
Sophronia is S2l give you a little advice.
Don't go to Cantreu for another tailor
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burlssoue troupe zas announced n BE-
Performed in a Washington theafer. but
tn@ high contracting parties found =
impossible 70 secuFz the services q a
person competent 20 perform the ee-e-
Eao1y-
For summer dinner so~ns india
six Is 10 b. much used. plan eo.ors ana
delicate shades. vita the preference -
favor - white.
some shaped skirts r face. after me
order - iuxeuii. show The pattern out
u1ea with cord ard shoE lzs~rf=Ss Tas-
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IN WoMAN'S INTEREST.

A thin tissue called mousseHne br0che
n blush gray. crushed rose. pale yellow
ana delicate violet suggests charming
gowns Tor evening and eeremonious oc-
casians-
Mourning purses or pocketbooks-
unfortunate misn0mer-come in black
leather finished with gun metal. the
design simple and haviug only q fine
beadipg AT the edge
Tne thin lace is 50 much more salts
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gown a real work of art Il Ike the deli
cate texture says one. and it has
more The erect 81 real lace.
Black silk coats. which are much new
IT than the Etons. are Of the Louis Nv
style These are Tor outer garments
and are very attractive They are rata
~ shorter than some Of the coats made
after This style. The silk is tucked.
there are broad vest fronts Of neevy
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KATE (LYDE'6 D
Merry 51 T5o195 CHATTER |

memory Of aud lang syne But they
only make you more Of woman, my
dear
We both Of us were silent for a few
minutes. and then my aunt went on
in her whimsical way: DO you know.
Kitty. believe with the poet that mar
RACES are made in heaven. The little
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angels take two
strings of celes-
tial parchment.
On one they
write the name
Of a man and on
the other the
name of a wo-
man, and then
they tie them
to g ether and
watt them earth
ward. But they
are very care
less, these little
angels. The fas-
{ e n n g S slip
loose, and then