The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1901-03-08
AFTERNOON SESSION

senator Kalauokalani addressed the
House in regard to expunging the ex-
pianatory speech of Cecil Brown from
the minutes of the Senate and said:
IL seems to be the wish of the minor
hy TO permit 1T to remain a part of
the records. motion was made by
the Senator from Wailuku to expunge
II from the records, and I would say
that we are obliged to send full record
or our proceedings to Washington and
1t now devolves upon us by cur action
to make the speech a part Of our rec
ords.
Every member though has a
right to take exception to any portion
OF the minutes and I wish to support
the motion. 1 therefore move? that an
aye and no vote be taken"
Brown stated that if the majority in
sisted upon this it was only another
evidence of gag law" Whenever
anything of Importance takes. place
here" he said, the majority carries a
motion to adjourn. When we meet
again they are pretty certain of how
things will go.
Since the House adjourned this
morning I have looked into the matter
and find that once before in the history
of legislative sessions in the United
States has some part of the proceed
ings been expunged, and four or five
years later it was again brought up.
This was when President Jackson was
a Senator.
IF the facts as stated here We're not
true, then, gentlemen, expunge them,
but you know they We're true, and be-
ing true they must remain on the rec
ords, and If the majority insist on ex-
punging them they are not as honorable
men as I thought they were
IT call you to order" said President
Russell: "I take exception to your re-
marks"
'I don't care so far as 1 am concern
ed, for have had my say, and my re-
marks. have gone out to the world. /
only want my statement to remain on
the records to protect the Senate" re-
piled Brown.
Carter said that the whole question
showed partisanship. 1--WE are all La
BILE here TO say something in the heat
of discussion which in more sober mo-
ments we would not have said," con-
tinued Carter, but when thing has
been said or done it cannot be ex-
plunged.
There was difference here between
a member and the chair, and the chair
ruled against that member, but if the
members statement is struck out, then
those who made the minutes will have
a right to doubt the ruling of the chair,
for they will only see one side of the
story
During the speech of Carter, Senator
White sent a formidable looking vol
ume to President Russell and that dig
nitary, after reading a marked passage,
looked at White and gleefully clapped
his hands and at the first opportunity
gave White the floor.
White remarked that considerable
time had already been taken up in the
discussion, but he wished to take ex-
ception to some remarks made. He
spoke at some length in favor of the
motion.
''The minority this morning" he said,
Thought we were wrong in the position
we assumed concerning the number of
days which the Senate had convened,
but / have here plenty Of good author
ity supporting US in the stand we took.
Here the volume which he had sent
to the president was produced and the
Joy manifested by him was made ap-
parent1 We are equally firm in our
opinion relating to this matter, and
now move to the previous question"
"Kokua," shouted the members of
the Senate, all of them thoroughly tired
of the debate. j
The roll was then called and vote
of eight in favor of the original mo-
ton against five was recorded and the
statement of Cecil Brown was ordered
expunged from the minutes.
"Thank you," said Brown.
Carter moved that the clerk be in
structed to have a few minor changes
made in the rules and same was car
ried.
senator Brown rose tb a question of
privilege and asked the clerk to read
how he had the record of the order for
exnungement. This was done, and the
Senator propounded the question, "Are
Won going to write 'expunge' on the face
Of the records, or are you going to wipe
n bodily from the record? l therefore
a SIX Senator Kaiue to explain how this
is to be done?"
you are willing to take advice from
me now" said Kaiue, "but a little
while ago you would not listen TO me.
IT am not through yet" said Brown,
land move that the clerk be instruct
ed to write 'expunged by order of the
Senate across the face of my state
ment of yesterday
| This motion was objected to by Sen
ator White and resulted in the with
drawal of the motion by Brown.
| White then moved that the minutes
stand approved so far as the minutes
in the handwriting of the secretary was
concerned, and that the matter con-
ttained therein written by the stenog'
! rapher as an account of the Brown
statement be stricken out. The mo-
tion prevailed.
| A communication from the lower
House was read giving notice of the
passing by that body of House bill
and also Act /, and submitting then
to the Senate. The same were passed
nv order of the president.
White moved that the discussion o.
the bill be stopped and that same bt
= nn \