The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1901-10-15


| Constitution ought to remain as it is:
| that he only offered the substitute so
| that charities like the Little Sisters Of
| the Poor, the Reformatory and all other
| charitable institutions and hospitals
could be continued. Mr.. Wysor again
raised the point of no quorum. The Chair
! ruled that it was out of order.
MR. TURNBULL READS.
| We. the undersigned, members of said
| committee. being impressed with the fact.
! an0' deerning it Of the uttermost i'm
| portance that church and State shall be
| kept entirely separate and distinct, and
| that no appropriation shall be made of
/ taxes collected from the people in any
| FORM to sectaran socic les or inStit1I-
| tons of any kind, nor to charitable, in
| dustrial, or educational Institutions, ex-
| cept such as are owned or controlled by
| the State. or by the municipality making
| the appropriation, respectfully dissent
| from the views Of the majority of the
committee, and recommend that the
substitute above referred to be adopted
| by the convention as one of the clauses
| OF the Constitution.
1dr. Turnbull, proceeding TO speak, said
| he had no prejudice against the chart
! table Institutions of Richmond. but the
|
! institutions it was taking taxes from him
| without his consent. He referred to the
| immense lobby that comes to every Leg
| islature to secure appropriations for diff
| ferent institutions, and said the resoEll-
| ton would break up great evil and
prevent its continued growth. As to Will
liam and Mary, he said it was excepted,
because. while he had nothing to say
as to that, it seemed to be generally
agreed that William and Mary was doing
good work and aid to it should be con-
tinued.
PARTNER WITH WILLIAM &, MARY.
AIr. Gocde said both resolutions recog-
nized the claims Of William and Mary
College. He said for some time the State
had been a partner with William and
Mary College. and the State had reaped
great benetit from the arrangement He
said illusions had been made to it as
a sectarian institution, and quoted from
ministers Of the Baptist, Methodist. and
Presbyterian Churches at williamsburg
saying that in no sense was William
and Mary q sectarian institution. He
said the establishment of William and
Mary as college was first endowed IN
1888 by William and Mary TO propagate
the Christian faith among the Indians
aud TO promote the glory of God among
the yong men Of the western world.
He recounted the nars-: of a host
Jefferson, Marshall, Madison. Monroe,
Tyler, Harrison, Winfield Scott, and
others who had been closely associated
with the college. 1Ir. Goode said he
could not sit silent and refrain from
expressing his great qualification that
the claims of William and Mary had thus
been unanimously recognized by this
convention. (Applause)
Mr. Harrison Offered an amendment TO
the minority report, which was accented
by Mr. Turnbull. It was to insert after
the words like appropriation in the las,
paragraph the words except for ADEQUATE
valuable consideration
Mr.. Moore said the amendment Whitfield
the resolution down to nothing. ana it
only showed that the Constitution had
better be left like it is, silent on the sub
ject.
Mr.. Harrison said 1t was not whiting
the resolution to nothing. 1t was pro-
hibitins gifts to religious or sectarian IN
stitutons but was providing for appro-
priations for all charities and other IN
stitutions that were doing good work for
the State or municipality in return for
the assistance given
MIR. MOORE SPEAKS.
MIR. Moore called attention to the fact
that there We're several branches to the
proposition Of the minority Of the COM
mittee, and Mr. Hamilton S amendment
only touched one branch. That in the
first paragraph, if adopted, all the chart
ties carried on by the churches in Rich
mond, Norfolk and other cities would
be cut off.
Mr.. Hamilton thought the courts would
construe both sections together
Mr.. Moore said that would be impossi-
bic in view OF the language used in the !
last para graph and not used in the first.
He contended that he could not think
of any appropriation having been made !
to religious. charitable. or educational in
situations by the Legislature that had not
been for the interests of the whole State. |
He had made numerous inquiries to. find
islature. and he could find no one who |
could point out a solitary instance.
Mr. Robertson said he thought the Ham
ilton. amendment would only add confus-
ion to the whole provision. He opposed |
the resolution. He said there was no
question about appropriations being made
to the charities of Richmond and other
cities We're for the public interest, but |
there might be q legal question as TO |
whether it was q valuable consideration
This whole thing is q. bugaboo raised mere
by some members who seem to think that t
il some old Baptist preacher Is taken
care of in his last days by the Little Sis
tiers of the Poor, while being relieved from
starvation and death. he may have Cath
olic doctrine injected into him. 1t is ALL
pitiful and foolish. Some men here are
just harping all the time about church,
church, just as, If every kind of charity
was Instituted simply to propagate some
particular form Of belief and not to lessen
the woes and sorroWs OF poor humanity.