The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1901-09-23
Left City Last Night After Trans
acting Business "Of No Public
Interest"
HIS COUNTRY AND ANARCHY
PLOTTING AGAINST GOVERNMENT
RESULTS IN DEPORTATION.
Nations Must Band Together to sup
press Criminal ctrine-Ru
sian Socialism.

at Chicago, has been in the city the laSt
two days transacting business relating TO
the consulate. His jurisdiction is over
twenty-five States. His mission here, he
said. was of minor Importance and of no
public interest. While in the city he has
been stopping at the Columbia Club, and
last night he was entertained by John L..
Griffiths at the University Club. He left
at midnight for Chicago.
The baron has been in the United States
seven years and has taken much interest
in the affairs of this country. He spoke
feelingly of the recent assassination of
President Mckinley and deplored the an
archistic movement against this govern
ment. In Russia, he said, the government
does all in it's power to suppress anarchy.
The propaganda of the doctrine is not al
lowed by speech or literature and meetings
for such purposes are prohibited.
How is this movement suppressed" he
was asked.
THE movement is closely watched he
said, land the offense of speaking or plot
ting against the government is punishable
by deportation to some distant part of
Russia. When a crime is committed as a
result of any anarchistic movement the
punishment is the same as any other and
wv AAAAo ~ law IL 4 Al1aAN1 - -
| punishable by death"
What measures are used to cesor the
press?"
THE editor of a newspaper is the censor
and he assumes the responsibility for
everything that is printed in his paper. If
he commits an offense against the govern
ment by publication he is warned. For the
second offense he is allowed to sell his
papers only by subscription. For the third
offense his paper is suppressed and it can
never be published again"
us socialism a factor in Russian poll
tlcs?'
"No. The socialist movement in Russia
is different from that in Germany and this
country. There is very little distinction
between the Socialists of Russia and An
archists, and the Socialists are not law
abiding citizens as they are The
word has an entirely different meaning in
Russia. The Socialists and Anarchists of
government. In fact, they do not know
what they want and are nothing but little
bands of criminals that must be held in
check"
PROBLEM OF SUPPRESSION.
"How do you think anarchism can be sup
pressed?"
"It can only be done by all nations join
ing hand in hand and working together and
by the enactment of extradition laws. The
Anarchists when they escape from Russia
come to the United States, or go TO England
or Switzerland. where they have free
speech and breed the doctrine. We can do
nothing to stop this. They go to other coun-
tries and hatch out their plots and schemes
and carry them out in European countries.
In fact, the United States, England and
Switzerland have been refugees for Anarch-
lists and they have flocked to these countries
to voice their discomfort and doctrine. You
viii find that the assassinations of nearly
all of the European rulers were planned in
other countries and the assassination OF
King lumber was planned here in the
United States. The assassination of your
President is certainly a result of this breed
ing of anarchy.
"One of the greatest barriers to the Rus
sian government in suppressing this ele-
ment is that there is no law for the ex-
tradition of political prisoners. A man may
commit a crime in Russia and escape TO ar
other country, say that he is a political
prisoner and is wanted at home for political
~offense, and he cannot be removed. Re-
Gently, we had a case of this kind in
Canada. A man, who was a forger, escaped
TO Canada, and when arrested there told
the judge that he was a political prisoner
there should be a law of eXtradition so that
these escaped criminals and prisoners might
be returned to their native government for
a trial. They would be given a trial before
a court with an attorney to defend them
the same as in this country, and 1 believe
they would be treated as justly"
do you regard the recent uprising OF the
Students in Russia as menacing the gov
ernment?"
"Those were merely local troubles and
nothing more. The young men may be-
| come dissatisfied because of some rigid rule
or something of that sort and enlarge on a
minor grievance until it assumes big pro-
portions. Those uprisings mean nothing
and are soon forgotten. They have been
periodical and when the students become
mature in years they see the f~oolishness of
their way end become good citizens. L was
a student myself and know how these
things are apt TO start and magnify and
grow in proportion over nothing"
The baron said the Anarchist movement
in Russia Is not of a serious character and
that the government does not fear any gen.
eral spread of the doctrine. although it en-
ploys all possible means TO suppress ii. He
said he thought that since the assassination
of President Mckinley the countries that
have allowed the propaganda of anarchism
to go on will now adopt law tending 10
! suppress il.