The daily morning journal and courier., 1901-06-12
INTERESTING TESTIMONY.
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Continued from Second Page.) / CT before the commissioners. Witness
 did not recall that Commissioner Av-
 cry said he had anything other thar
 the good of the department at heart ir
 in desiring to make these transfers.
 Witness admitted he did not attend
 conference of the commissioners May
 18th because of another engagement.
 Did you not say to Commissioner
 Avery that the service would be bet
 tered by these transfers?'
 Not in those words, I said the trans
 fers would be for the good of the ser- vice if the conditions were right, but the conditions did not warrant them. "
 Did you not say to Commissioner Avery I think these transfers would be a good thing to make, provided we could put the right men in their place, and did you not name one?'
 Yes"
 "Who?"
 Sergeant Gibson"
 Witness explained that he told Com missioner Avery that he believed the charges would be admissible if the right men could be selected to fill such vacancies. On May 14, witness talked with Commissioner Avery over the tele- phone, but there was only one thing he remember distinctly of that con versation and that was that the more he had considered the transfer project the more undesirable it seemed to him. 1 This conversation was of about one minutes duration, and witness could 4l,.. ale, hot .,otI Later witness recalled that Commis- sioner Avery advised him to call up Commissioner Shannahan.
 T was to call up Shannahan to find out what was to be done that night by the police board"
 Witness called up Commissioner Shannahan on the afternoon of May II, and was told that nothing was done by the commissioners at the conference the night before.
 Did MT. Shannahan say that the names of Messrs. Hayes and Williams and others were being discussed for captains?"
 q don't know but think not I am not positive"
 Witness denied speaking disparag-
  tion but admitted stating that he did not think 8 great deal of Williams
 Did not MT. Shannahan reply, I don't know him personally; l do not know his character"
 No, sir
 Gan you tell the court any of that l conversation carried on over the tele- phone with MT. Shannahan?"
 NO, sir"
 Do you recall whether there was discussion as to the ad- visibility of transferring Captains O'Keefe and Brewer to the veteran re- serve.
 No sr.''
 Was not the efficiency of these men 
 'No, sir; not to my knowledge"
 Wasn't there discussion about these men at that police board meeting?" Yes, sir, I think that term was lsed." Witness admitted that during he meeting there was a discussion at ease among individual commissioners. Witness did remember hearing Corey ;ay Tt was damn shame to pension ,hese men and make me out a damn jar. Query by Attorney Wolf-"Was the question of the mental inefiiciency of hese men discussed at that meeting?" Tt was not"
 "There was a general transfer of cap { aims was there not when Captain Brewer was transferred to station 2?" Yes, sir." I Lawyer Goodhart-"Do you know I LOW many men there are on the vet t ran reserve?' ( Seven or eight, I think.' f Have you ever participated in the V ransfer of these men to the veteran t eserve?" a Yes, in Officer Phelps case.'
 Was Officer Phelps afterwards Y transferred to the regular force?" | Witness desired to correct his testi- e 1ony. He was in error and had not in Phelps case ? Commissioner Corey recalled testi- t. ed to having been invited to a special a leeting of the efficiency committee ' alled after the transfer of the three a ficers had been made At that meet lf lg, at which he arrived somewhat a lte he found Commissioners Clarke, very, Shannahan and Landers. He a ame in with Commissioner Lee. The p were then interviewing C hief Wrinn regarding affairs in sta E on 9 The witness told the commits m oners he objected to the dismissal of l en and the securing of evidence sainst them afterwards, and the wit cl ess soon after retired.
 Captain William O'Keefe, one of the ", V, ,posed captains, took the stand just u the clock struck 12. He testified e' at for 2S years he had been police ei , ficer and had not lost over half a ''' e zen days from illness in that time. u' ~, is present exercise was in walking tA veral miles every evening, and quite i'i riding bicycle. He testified ue u reading first of his removal in the U 1o wspapers and of his conversation '" th Commissioner Shannahan before ii II. 5 transfer to the veteran reserves ~' bstantially as he told the story at e mayors hearing, and of Commis- ,ner Shannahan's assuring him that ere was no cause for alarm, and that M