New-York tribune., 1901-12-31
DISCUSSION.
DETAILS OF AN INTERESTING


Il don't know If nothing is done, IL does not
alter the responsibility OF the OF this church.
club. What you going do with this ques-
ton? What position you going to take i1
your churches? Are you going 10 be content with
what has already been done? 1 don't think any
man who knows of the opening of the backs
doors of saloons on Sundays will really care to-
leave it in that condition. The first thing E
would ask you to remember is that this questiou
of the saloon is up to u.s. in a in which,
very few of you church people realize at all
In the first place. you don't go TO saloons. ale
Though the saloon is excellent place in which,
to study human nature.
PLEA FOR THE SALOON.
THE first thing you would learn if you WENT
there is that the saloon is extraordinary
institution. and it has come to stay. Any marr5
who speaks of wiping il out I have no time to-
/ argue with He does not face facts. II is not
simply an evil place II is positive need IN
a city of nO-home people You wouldn't realizes
the enormous number of people without homese
and respectable people, too. and then there Is,
/ an enormous number only half-homed- The ten
ement house is not home. The man withouri
/ a home goes to the saloon because he can geu
more for five cents there than anywhere else
1t is institution that profoundly affects hun--
dreds of thousands of people In the city of New-
York The saloon has gradually taken a hold,
on the people and you can't suddenly uproot IL
+, 1t is a democratic institution You are up
against the working people when you attack
the saloon. and in dealing with this question:
you have got to consider the working people,
and in no other way you accomplish anyH
/ good result These institutions are not conf
Quoted by bad men used by bad men. 1t Is
a social institution where you can get mighty
good food. and get it mighty cheap. The mars
who frequents the saloon is usually the who
cannot afford TO join the Young Mems Christians
Association or the St Georges Society.
Think of the story of the struggle of Swedet
to remove the drink system. They took it OUT
/ of the hands of individuals and put it into this
! hands of the municipalities. and salaried ths
men who were placed in charge Of the saloons.
Increased sales didn't bring increased remune-
ration TO the barkeepers In some cases the
sale OF milk and Notwithstanding drinks is in
excess. The advantage of this system was put
in single line by Gladstone. who said You
cut the nerve of private gain This system.
believe, should be given a chance
NO FEAR FOR AMERICAN SUNDAY
I'VE have no right to force. by legislation, our
Christian sentiments community great
many Christian are not clear on this ques-!
tion. We have no right to depart from thu
ways OF the masses I don't think We have any
right to the law to enforce our views on a.
community. There is a common cry TO-DAY that
those who would open the saloon on Sunday
attack the Christian Sabbath. 1 don't know any
statement that seems TO me absolutely
fOundatiOnless that. You can't find work.;
ingman who wouldn't laugh at that statement.j
We would be fortunate II We could get the rictl
people of New-York to keep the Sabbath welIi
as the Worklngman does What he wants is tol
be left TO go his way You need not havel
any fear that the American Sunday is goinsi
down.
The more our factories operate and the mora
our cotton gins roar every year the more tha
working people respect the Sabbath As dues-
settled Nobody "a
you gOinT TO give the people rest by STOP
ping the elevated roads and closing up the1
shops The question of Hberalizing the laws Isl
not one to be easily dealt with. but il / hadf
power by raising my finger to produce changes
in this city, of the first changes 1 would ,
make-and I would do everything l could to
encourage it's to institute a series of games
Sunday afternoons. You drive people to-
drink because Sunday is such a slow day You!
can't do anything better for your bodies and
narrow chests than TO get out on Sunday af-i
ternoon and exercise would nave a greas
playground. and I. as a Christian minister,i
would time and money 10 take the 4
people there. Because the PreSbytertans and
Methodsts wouldn't do that sort of thing is nrl
reason why IL should not be done.
IF we are brave enough and sympatheti1
enough we will come out fatfootedIy as Episco-i
palians, and say that we don't fear for the Sab
bath. We would baptize it and mark 1t with
the sign of the Cross. If the Lord were bacel
again he would say that we, the people Of New-l
York should work six days in the week andi
have rest and recreation on the Sabbath
SAYS LAWS SHOULD BE CHANGED.
Sunday laws as they are in the city of New-f
York are a serious danger. We cannot leaves
them as they are. II is cowardly TO leavsi
them The law should express the best feel-
ing of a community. The church people want
to make a law 10 suit their consciences. warped
by hysterical ideas. I should like TO tell you
the experience of Bishop Potter and MYSELF
with the Committee OF Fifty and OF the REL
ports that were made by the Woman's Chris
tian Temperance Union. They are good wona-
en-, and yet doing the DEVILS work. An enthu-i
siastic woman is brought up TO believe that ths
end jnstifes the means and she is going tot
have hsr way
THINKS JFROME'S VIEWS ELECTED HIM.
IT believe that his views on the excise aues-
ton were what elected Justice Jerome (Ap-t
plause) No police force is going to be able tn
close the saloons. The question Is whether
liquor is going 10 be sold unlawfu!ly all the time
and lawfully part of the time lawfully all
the time The saloon represents the needs OF a
The American is hard man to go up
against and when you give him a dash
of German blood he Is tough propo-
sition I know what women say, My dear
husband goes into the saloon but you can't all
ways believe what the women say. MY tenn
perance friends get most OF their ideas from
the women There are great many parts of5
the city where the saloons might be closed.
great many districts where they could be wiped
out altogether Local option by districts Ii
what want We can guard our saloons and
we can guard homes. but cannot put
down all drinking and all the evils of the city,
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