The Hawaiian gazette. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1865-1918, 1901-12-31
a, all times ~ DISCHARGE.
Yours very faithfully,


un,il auer the 18TH OF January. I. e. .
sunday, the 18Th.
you have heard the reading OF these
documents" said MIR. Castle and OF
course they require some reply. and We
would Ike to hear any suggestions as
to what the reply shall be No doubt
the Bishop thinks his plan "a for the
interests Of the church. and under GER
tain conditions the o;fer would have
been accepted. but these ill-advised
methods he seeks ~ have us adopt can
hardly be considered. We have been
separate congregation for sixteen years
and have grown up in that Idea, and
while by the Offering OF sympathy and
like methods the union could have been
effected. yet n step which we might Ia
vorably consider we cannot be compell-
ed to take. The conditions which made
necessary n separate congregation six
teen years ago still exist. nor have the
present difficulties passed away. moi
can they until the new Bishop arrives"
Mr.. George Davies stated that "a had
been suggested. II different way was
offered the two congregations may have
Joined. 1--WE are left in the same con-
dition as were our fathers sixteen years
ago." he said; at Is the same principle
our fathers fought for. In this case we
are dealing with the office. not with
Bishop Willis. Ii is not personal
matter, and there Is no need OF reflec-
! tons upon him, but we cannot acquiesce
/ in the statement of the Bishop that the
! license Of this congregation expires or
that Of the Rev. Mr.. Macintosh be-
comes void"
Mr.. Give Davies then stated the facts
leading up to the ultimatum delivered
by the Bishop Sunday. He said that
] Mr.. Castle and himself had received an
intimation of the prospective action of
the Bishop some time since in an unofn-
cial way, and had paid the Bishop WIS.,
1t to discuss the policy of the step. lie
stated that they had advised the Bish-
op of the wish of the second congrega-
ton to turn over to the new Bishop.
but the one congregation, and offered
to surrender voluntarily under certain
conditions. 1t was suggested to Bishop
Willis at that conference that II
he would defer his contem-
plated action for three months,
that combined service could
be held, in the meantime, without the
second congregation losing it's identity
.as a separate organization. The Bishop
refused the offer of compromise and
Mr.. Davies suggested that the proper
method would be for them to decline to
sign the register and throw the onus on
Bishop Willis. a small meeting was
held on the night after Christmas. at
which II was decided to make further
effort at compromise, and Mr.. Dodge
was sent to see the Bishop, and 1t was
pointed out to him that the action con-
templated would result rather in widen
ing the breach than in healing 1t. The
Bishop had raised the point, he said,
that under the constitution of the Prot
-estant Episcopal church the license OF
the congregation expires and also that
of the rector.
Mr.. Jordan inquired whether the
Bishop was acting under the authority
Of the American or English church?
Mr.. Davies replied that the letter from
the Bishop was vague and gave no in
timation of what he relied upon to prove
his case.
, Rev. Mr.. Macintosh did not see
where the change in jurisdiction car
, ried with it any such result: that Eng
land and America were as mother and
daughter in the Episcopal church. and
in his opinion there was no necessity
why the church license should become
void.
, It was supposed to be the intention OF
/ the Bishop that in the event that all
. licenses were returned to him, they
> would all be handed back excepting
, that of the second congregation and Its
: rector. In the Church of England be-
cause a clergyman died was no reason
:, why the living dies with him. and he
believed the second congregation NOR
2 ally as we'll as technically to be on the
, right ground.
8 The resolution which had been intro.
= duced and was the subject OF this dis
= cusson was then read and unanimous
: ly adopted, in which the second congre'
1 cation refused to acquiesce In the de'
y mand OF the Bishop that 1t renounce VI
r separate existence. The resolution ~
: adopted Is as follows:
: Resolved, that this congregation hav'
ing heard the notification of the bishop
communicated through their church war
= dens recognize the desirability under GER
;, tain conditions of a union Of the congre'
cations, but feel that they cannot be de-
Z prived of their existence except by theil
e own voluntary act, and consider that thu
reasons for their existence as separate
o congregation have not yet been remov
d ed.
o Some one inquired what the result
8 would be II the second congregation
agreed to the Bishops demands?
simply that for the next thre
! months everything would be under con
I troll of Bishop Willis, and he woul'
3 have charge Of funds and church prop
:. erty. And II you include myself in II
u that's the end of yours truly" said MI
" Macintosh.
The reply was greeted with genera
T laughter. He stated further that IL n
II change of heart had been experiences
q among his people, no one would &c ne5
l. the church at all. He said that he wa
= afraid of disintegration. and that !
i would be hard work to keep up TIL
II spiritual entity Of the church, and /
would go down and cease to be tn
factor for good 1t now is. Then ther
would likely be another revolution :rcn
the church as before though he salt