The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1901-11-27
MIR. WARREN WAKES WARM.

MR. WARREN WAVES WARM.
Rising from his seat and with deep
emotion Mr.. Warren said: Gentlemen,
referring to the remark of the Mayor
that l colluded with any one to aid Mr..
Epps in escaping. if 1 thought this COM
nlittee would believe it, 1t would re-
sign at once. It was dirty, mean,
contemplate fling
Mr.. Taylor jumped up and hotly re-
sponded: 'If it were not for your gray
hairs L would slap YOU in the face.
You lied when YOU said what you did
about telling me to see the City At
toruey.''
Mr.. Warren was restrained from ap-
proa ching the Mayor by Sergcant-at-
Arms Ruskell and quiet was soon re-
stored in the room.
THE CITY ACCOUNTANTS
Mr.. Mccarthy was calm and gave the
committee very clear description OF
the manner of keeping accounts between
the departments, explaining how irregu-
li.rities could occur. lie told the com
mttee that he had a good while back
suggested q plan which he thought
would have prevented discrepancies of
this sort, but for certain reasons this
plan had not been carried into effect
a mistake. Mr.. Mccarthy thought, was
made when the bill clerk was removed
from the Auditors office to the Gas
Inspectors office.
No system of book-keepine Mr.. Nc
Carthy said. had been devised to arso-
lutely prevent stealing The accountant
thought the gas bills paid should be add
ed daily and compared with the receipts
i'll the Treasurer's office. Then. too. the
additions should be verified by some per-
son other than the one who makes the
addition.
Mr. Mccarthy said the shortage so TAR
discovered was $3.50, and it had been
paid by the Virginia Trust Conpany.
surety on Mr.. Epps' bond The recent
given showed that this amount paid was
simply ION account and not sin settle
ment."
Mr.. Mccarthy related practically the
same details OF the confession of Epps
as were told by NesSrs. Warren, Shelton
and Phillips.
Mr. Mccarthy, willie he looked upon the
action of Mr.. Epps as ugly conduct to-
ward his friends, did not regard it at
first as a high crime. He regarded it not
as Epps having stolen money from the
city, but as having failed to pay to the
city money entrusted to him by friends
All had compassion on the young man,
but they had to regard their duties as
officials. When all had left the room
except Mr.. Mccarthy and ICpps. after the
confession, realizing the condition of the
young mans mind. Mr. MCCARTHY told
him he needed advice and should consult
some friend IT told him. said the sac
countant, that I could not act as his
adviser but that would do all that was
proper for me to do. occupying the posi-
ton I held. And for this I have no
apology to make.
Mr.. Epps told Mr.. Mccarthy he was
going home and would await al:est Then
they parted
a BREEZY CoLIGJoUY.
There was breezy colloquy between
Mr.. Mccarthy and the Mayor His Hon
| or claimed that Mr.. Mccarthy had in a
| conversation. made to him a statement
as to the advice he gave Epss, and Mr..
Mccarthy denied even having had such
| a conversation. and said the Mayor was
| dreaming. He wanted Judge Witt sum
moned to prove by him that he had de-
MED in his presence the day after the
| alleged conversation having said what
| the Mayor claimed
Mayor Taylor wanted Capt. To.nlinson
summoned to bear out his contention
Mr. Mccarthy said that, feeling sorry
1or the young man he had at his request
| gone to Mr.. Epps' uncle to inform him Of
ms trouble. THAT. uncie," said the ac-
countant, was greatly shocked He ask
ed me what he should do. at first told
him that had better not advise. but
"Pott 'eeoi4o luouSIC.SugSeSted that he
employ counsel to represent Epps In court
next morning, feeling quite certain he had
been, or would be, arrested. I was asked
who would be good lawyer, and sug-
gested half a dozen. or more. among
them Judge Leake. Mr.. Frank Christian
and Mr.. C. Y. Meredith" :.
REPLY TO THE. MAYOR.
! Just before leaving the witness chair
| Mr.. Mccarthy rose from his seat. and in
| very emphatic language. but in as polite
| terms as possible, said that in justice to
| h mself he felt constrained to state that
| the Mayor had made statements that
| we're not true.
The Mayor said he had nothing what
ever to take back.
This ended the stormy session, and the
| further investigation was postponed IN
| til Friday night.
AS the Mayor went out he looked back
| and remarked: :" GU all can WhlteWash
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