The Topeka state journal., 1901-02-27
v morning. February 17?' asked Mr..

1 Inc Or&an1XaLlOn as SQCn mas no re-
sponsibility, directly or indirectly for
it," said DR.. Mcfarland
Have you or the organization with
which you and this defendant are both
vised or planned the destruction of prop
I'VE have not.
Have you individually or as an Off
Ger of this organization advised or en-
ged any of these raids that have
taken place in the city or have you in
any way attempted to dissua de them %
Il will answer the two questions by
saving that / have not advised any one
inside or outside the organization to
make what you call raids or to perform
any Illegal act. and am using that in
the strict sense OF the Wo-G and not
playing upon or quibbling as to what
legality may be. may say n the second
place that / have personally entered my
protest against certain proposed raids
and in one instance at least succeeded in
preventing such a denonstra tion.''
Upon cross-exa an7iliatfon iaV Attorney
Nichols, DR. Mcfarland was asked:
Has not the general sp.rit of your
public utterances been to tie effect that
you believe in the destruction of certain
classes of goods that some people may
not consider that any one has property
rights in. For instance. in bottled goods,
liquors and things Of that s3rt?"
We'll, I think possibly that inference
ances. have had considerable training
in Anglo-Saxon tongue and usually sue
ceed in making myself understood when
set out to do it and dare say the peo-
pie have not been at a loas to under
stand my meaning. have endeavored
to prevent them from doing So, replied
DR.. Mcfarland.
Il have been very unfortunate my
self in not being able to hear these re-
marks remarked Nichols.
I am. very sorry for you" retorted the
doctor:
this is a fair Interpretation Of what you
said p
My counsel in this organization about
which much inquiry has been made here,
as weIl as my public utterances in my
own pulpit and in the public hall, have
been uniformly and strongly in favor of
the strict observance of law unless an
extremity of such extraordinary char
acter be reached as to Justify the en-
plOyrnent Of extraordinary means. / be-
Heve unhesitattngly that such condi-
tiOns might exist. / believe that certain
conditions may arise "
Permit me to interrupt you" said
Attorney Nichols. THE question is
have these conditions arisen now so you
are advising thiS2
II have certified to you that 1 have
not advised that thus far
Are these companies of which I un-
derstand you are the general commander
SO close to you individually that you
know what each company is dolng?"
We'll while this organization has a
semi military character. there is nothing
TO military discipline and authority. The
companies are sections of a large or
ganization perhaps including about a
thousand men, that have certain general
purposes in mind under certain emer-
gencies as an ultimate possibility, with
certain other objects that are near at
hand, that are always possibilities and
always things that call upon them for
action Now in a general way the cap
tains Of these conpa MES are subject to
my orders; that is to say, if I knew of
4 -
was communicated to me and / disap-
proved it and directed that it should not
be done, il they did it, it would be in
COntraVentiOn of the understood prin-
ciples of the organization which we are
in. And If 1 should order it, suppose
a great many of them would feel under
obligations to do what said
Are these organiza tionS formed in
such way that the individual members
have a right to presume that under GER
tain conditions they are to take the
law into their own hands ard abate GER
tain nuisances?" asked the county at
torney.
NO. sir; not as members of that or
ganization. 1t IS distinctly understood |
that they have no right without the au-
thority of the organization as SUCH to !
do anything that will even remotely |
bring the organization into responsibility /
for waat has been done" replied DR.. |
Then I understand you to say that |
these individuals. even as companies, !
have no right TO decide as to what is a |
or what action to take against /
it so far as ary force is concerned?'
Yes. sir; no more than you have or |
anS other citizen has"
Upon redirect examination by Mr.. /
Troutmans the question was asked:
.Yol stated in response to Mr.. Mich /
DIS crOss-exaIninatfon that it was the l
generally understood rule in your organ /
lzaftOr that no raids or anything of that /
character should take place unless they /
hxr r.r1lxr han
der certain circumstances. VIII you /
state what those extraordinary circuIn-
stances might be2"
These circumstances would be of a |
as we have regarded it. such /
as justified by extra o. binary legal pro-
reedings for long time in the past. /
They would be circumstance in which
people lad lost faith and lost hope of /
the possibility of the securing of justice
through the ordinary operation of the /
legal machinery upon which they are
accustomed for the most part to depend
This organization, to explain myself a
little farther, sIrang up as a sponta
neous sort of product here in our COM
munity because large number of citi-
zers--'s
II doss't think it is necessary to go into
his matter soFnuch in detail,' interrupt
ID Judge Hazen- We want to get done
7 win endeavor to answer the ques-
ton briefly if the judge win permit,
SAID III. Mcfarland, the question that
he county attorney asks We felt that
We would be justified in resorting to ex-
-raordinary. legal measures, out of a
conviction that our legal Off
,ers. judges and attorneys, were false to
absolutely false; that We were deal
ng with a crowd of perjured men. and
hat when we came to that extremity
We could do some things that under or
iinary circumstances we would not feel
ike doing.
Then do understand you that mob
aw is justified when any particular
lass Of persons think the law is not be-
ng erforced2" asked Nichols.
7 think the tea party at Boston was
ustited. / think Judge Jehries, of Eng
ish history, was scoundrel.'
Il don't care what you think about