The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1901-11-30
THE MAYOR WILL
NOT APOLOGIZE
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when MIR. Mccarthy came in. Inc Two
oft1cials retired to the reception room.
What took place there ne did not Know.
Mr.. Hugh L. Cardoza was In the May
ors Office when some one came IN, Wno'
TO the best Of his knowledge, was MT.
MCCARTHY He was not positive as 70 TINS.
Messrs. Boyce and Caruozo tutn toiu OF
seeing Treasurer Charles II. Phillips and
Superintendent ". P. Knowles in the
Mayors office, but whether or not they
were there when Mr.. Mccarthy came in
they did not recall.
Messrs. Knowles and Phillips testified
that they both saw Mr. Boyce and MT.
Cardozo in the Mayors office but did
not see Mr.. Mccarthy there.
JUDGE WITS TESTIMONY.
Judge Witt told about the visit Of Mr..
Mccarthy to him to ask whose duty it
was to report to the Mayor. When In
formed that the Auditor should make the
report Mr.. Mccarthy left at once to In
form Mr.. Warren. There was nothing In
the Special Accountants manner or his
questions to indicate that he had any
desire to postpone or to delay to prevent
the arrest.
Judge Witt remembered being in the
Mayors office some day in the week
later than the alleged visit OF Mr.. Nc
Carthy. He recalled that the Mayor and
the Accountant were engaged in All ami
mated discussion. Mr.. Mccarthy was
denying all the Mayors assertions. Just
what those assertions were the Judge did
not recall.
Mr.. w. P. Knowles was present at this
time. He remembered that the Mayor
charged Mr.. Mccarthy with having said
in the reception-room that he had told
Epps he would be his friend right or
TVS;
positive terms, ami said the Mayor should
not put words into his mouth. NJ.
Knowles did not recall that Mccarthy de-
MED having been in the Mayors office
on the occasion referred to, but Mr.. Nc
Carthy denied all the Mayors accusa-
lions. He did not recall that Mayor Tay-
lor said that Mr.. Mccarthy was in his
Office, but simply denied the language at
tributed to him. Mr.. Mccarthy. the wit
ness said, emphatically denied the use Of
the language he was accused of using:
WHAT HE DID DENY.
Mr. Mccarthy explained that the ques-
ton the Mayor asked him was a COM
pound one, to this effect: Didn't You tell
me in that recepton-room q certain
thing?" And that his answer mo-! was
a denial of the whole.
Mr. Joseph NJ. Sr1e!ton said he was pres
ent when Mr. Mccarthy and the Mayor
had the wordy war Ife recalled mat
Mr.. Mccarthy denied the alleged Ian
euage but he did not understand him to
DENY having had the interview with the
AIavor. He said, however, that MI NC
Carthy gave a very emphatic NO! 10
the compound question the Mayor asheu.
MIR. X. A. Williams was called to inc
stand by Mr.. Mccarthy ana to'o o. d
visit to the Mayors office ana OIL .i'o
converse tom that took place there. llc
recalled that the Mayor had SAD soi'ie
thing utesuspending the Audltor anu
the Accountant.
II soon developed during the eSamlna-
+;an If this witness that Mr.. Mccarthy
wanted to show that it might nave oeeii
Ny Williams, and not himself who was
in the Mayors office on the DAY alter
Ems csCape In fact Mr.. McCarths
stold the committee SO, and said MI. VII
li,ms might have had a good reason lor
Going there, having admitted that 1t was
during. the latter part OF the previous
week that his attention was caileo u
SUSPICIOUS figures by Mr.. Stokes.
THE SUSPICIOUS FIGURES.
Tn ran,v 70 Auditor Warren. Mr. VII
lj.ms said the matter OF the suspic'o",
figures was not reported TO MN u'.''
Monday. Mr. Williams SAID II might
have been Thursday, Friday. or SATURDAY
that the matter of the cauptiu' ilS
,..ss mentioned. lie was not satisfied I'M
90 - tb.t the figures were not his
OWE.
M Williams did not recall the day nc
listed tho Mayor He remembered that
police. Cautain Whitlock was IN the May
or,s office at the time. Mr.. Williams went
70 the Mavor ito see if he had anythlhS
against him" Mr.. Williams nina was
NOT very clear as to what was SAD on
s,,{~ IN,
this occasion. He did not so INTO the
reception room.
Tor came to the sta' N house about $40
o'clock to swear CT the warrant. lie
said he hoped nothing like this would
happen again during his administration.
The Mayor said he wanted every ellort 20
be made to arrest Epps, ana olllcers were
at once sent out to look Tor the man.
Can't Angle said when the mayor calhS
to the station house he renamed thers
until the warrant was sworn out, and
that he (Arrle, went to the Bijou to get
Detective Wren. Mr.. Mccarthy made a
noint of the fact that the Mayor had
testified that he went to the station look
ing for Capt. To,nlinson. and not fnding
there went in search of him at
Murphy's Hotel and the BlJotl ana th'ts
he then went back to the station. Capt.
Angle remembered only one Visit OF the
Mayor to the station house:
a SUGGESTIVE QUESTION.
During the examination Of this witness
Mr. Mccarthy asked: "Are you stating
what really happened or what you want
to tell?
Captain Angle wheeled the cnalr AROUND
and asked Mr.. Mccarthy: What 90 you
mean. sir?"
Chairman Mills brought down his gavel
and stated that the investigation must
in, orderly manner.
Sergeant-Detective c. A. Gibson tod OF
the efforts to finG Epps. but nothing was
developed.
Sergeant-Detective Wren told that he
received the warrant for the arrest OF
Epps about sos o'clock. lie told about
the same details of the search for Epps as
We're related by Sergeant Gibson.
AT the conclusion Of Sergeant Wrens
testimony the committee adjourned until
next Friday night.