The St. Louis Republic. [volume] (St. Louis, Mo.) 1888-1919, 1901-12-08

The last question was read by the stenog
rapher.
Mr.. Walsh: Now, that is objected to ant
the witness instructed not to answer-re.
quested not to answer for the reason tina,
1t. in no way. meets the issue that Mr.
tardwell willfully and UNANIMOUSLY and alb,
solutely lied when he said the State officials
or the State Committee. had been in the
habit for the past few campaigns of receiv-
Ing money from corporations for the pur-
pose of protecting them against hostile leg
islation."
question:
a.: Il refuse to answer"
Mr.. Lehman: Il will ask the notary to
direct the witness to answer the questions
a.: Think there was. yes"
e.: During all the period that I have
itics?''
=: Yes. sir: and am yet"
q: Il did not mean to imply to the con-
trary at all: and with the single exception
OF the year 1895. when Il majority of the
House was Republican. the State Govern
ment of Missouri was Democratic in all its
branches?'
A: Yes. sir"
O.: And, during the year 1895 the execu-
tive branch of the Government was DEM
ocratic. and the Senate and General AS
sembly were also Democratic?'
A.: Yes
O.: Were you aware at any time during
your period Of official service, from 1891 to
the year 1901, of any corrupt agencies affect
ing the legislation which was enacted dur
ing that period"'
A: II do not recall any-no. sir"
@: IF there We're any corrupt influences
at work during that time you would have
held it to be your high duty as an official
of the State TO denounce it. would you not?'
A.: 81 would, sir"
Mr.. Walsh: II object to that. going out
side of this record. Unless it was corrup-
ton during the times charged In this action.
under this alleged libel, 1t is not material.
l Will say to you now. Governor. it will not
be necessary for you to answer that ques-
ton unless you wish to. and If you wish to
answer that question you can do So"
Mr.. Read the question.
please" Uast question read by stenog-
rapher.)
Mr.. Walsh: You need not answer that
question. unless you wish to-"
Mr.. Lehmann: .Is the reporter aking the
advice?'
Mr.. Walsh: The reporter is taking the
ADVICE
Mr.. Lehman: II do not object to the ad-
vice being given. because it is often the
fashion of a witness to have counsel in
these cases. and l am glad to know who the
witnesses counsel is."
Mr.. Walsh: II did not know but you were
his counsel. if he had any. Because there
Is a new one here"
TILT BETWEEN WALSH
AND LEHMAN OVER EVIDENCE.
Mr.. Walsh: II certainly ask the notary
to direct the witness. If he makes any direc-
tons in the premises. to answer the ques- |
ton. 1t is entirely immaterial."
Mr.. Lehmann: II should be glad to have |
the notary make some direction"
Thn nor eel ISr To- .-,-A u- i
will let the matter stand and proceed with
the examination. l will come to it later"
Mr.. Walsh: Il will say for your informa-
ton. II you do not really know, the issue
Is whether or not your paper told the
truth when it said Mr.. Cardwell absolutely
and infaraously lied when he said the OF |
ficers of the State Committee received
them against hostile legislation. would
like to confine him to that issue"
Mr.. Lehman: II wish to show by this
witness. put upon present ground and in |
terested as n member of its official family. |
every thought and influence and we'll |
spring of legislation at that period was per-
fectly pure and. therefore. a statement to
one."
Mr.. Walsh: THAT would be raising, Mr.. |
Notary. collateral issues"
The Notary: Il say. proceed with the ex-
Mr.. Lehman: II would like to have n
direction. OF course / will submit to what
direction the notary may make. but 1
would like to have the matter passed upon
now and the witness directed to answer IL
the notary thinks that he has a right 20
give such direction"
The Notary: II have examined the law
upon that point, and l find that 1 cannot
compel a witness to answer any question
xchiCh 10 ippnFnnnfapf trrnloy.nuf ~ r,ro~ l
terial-upon objection. of course-and for
the present that will be the ruling on this !
Mr.. Jourdan: Will the notary state
where he found the law?'
The Notary: II found it a few days ago.
I will show it to you. Mr.. Jourdan. when
l get through"
Mr.. Lehman: What was the last ques-
The last question was read by the
stenOgraphcr.
O.: Did you. during your official career
as Treasurer of the State or as Governor
IF Missouri. ever have knowledge of any
%corruptly or venally. to influence
egislation at jefferson City?"
Mr.. Walsh: Now. I object to this and
,sk that the witness do not answer the
question for the reason that 1t is not con-
1ned to corruption OH the part Of officers
or the State to the statements
# both Cardwell and Lyons that the DEM
State Committee had received con-
ribut!ons from corporations with the I'M
Outstanding that these corporations should
'e protected against hostile legislation.
which is absolutely and UNANIMOUSLY false"
STEPHENS TAKES ]
ADVANTAGE OF THE RULING.
Notary: ITO that. objection sustained"
Mr.. Lehmann: II will now ask you
during any term of your official
areer you had knowledge Of any attempt
, the State of Missouri of any Democrat
f the State Committee to corruptly or !
enally Influence legislation" )
Mr.. Walsh: II object" !
Witness: II refuse to ;
Notary: II direct the witness to answer /,
I so far as 1t relates to the State Commit 4
ee and not to the State officers"
Witness: II know of nothing that would
any of them" 9
B.: "DO you know anything that ought to :
onvict any of them" =
A.: IT refuse to answer I
O.: What do you know about that? l
esire the fullest and freest possible an
wer to the question. II anybody Is shield e
4, they will not be shielded by the defend- c
Il
Witness: II refuse to -
O.: Mr.. Stephens. are you acquainted ;
18th Colonel William H. Phelps Of Car I
rage. MOI" =.
A.: "Yes, SIR" 5
O.: How long nave you known him." I
A.: Fifteen years. I presume" p
O.: do you know what his occupation p
A: He is an attorney for the Missouri
aciac Railway" D