Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1901-11-27

being acquainted with both of these gen.
tlemen, 1t is quite evident that / would
introduce them" said Major Hawks.
Don't put that down." broke in Senator
Cockrell; you are not testifying."
well, you can call 1t testifying," replied
Major Hawks.
Don't put 1t in the record" repeated
the senator.
IT will ask the question. did 1 introduce
you at that timer said Major Hawks.
NO" replied the witness.
Major Hawks then announced that he
had finished with the witness, and Mr..
Needham questioned him regarding any
thing being said at the interview in ques-
ton about the government extending any
protection to the proposed company.
Major Hawks objected but Senator
Cockrell told the witness to go on and
state what occurred.
There was nothing of that kind men,
toned" answered the witness.
Nothing Said About influence.
'In mentioning the names of Gen. Cor
bin and others, was there anything said
about their using official influence in the
interest of this company
Nothing at all. 1 am only refreshing
my mind about the names mentioned.
What 1 gathered was that they thought
well of the scheme
Was there any statement made that
would indicate that they would take any
other interest than that of ordinary stock
holders buying stock?''
mo, SIR
WAS there anything said in that con-
versation that would indicate that Col
Heistand was to exercise any official infiu-
ence in favor of this project?"
Il did not so understand it,
Major Hawks objected to this question
after it had been answered on the ground
that it was leading" Senator CockrelI
ruled however, that the evidence was per
tinent to the issue and would remain in
the record. at the same time he advised Mr..
Needham to put his questions If he could
so as not to be leading.
Mr.. Needham proceeded to question the
witness as to the object of the proposed
company. In answer it was stated that
the object was to control nearly as pos
sibie the hemp output of the islands. The
witness so understood it. he said, and had
been asked to go into 1t in order that he
might interest the capital of some cordase
people he knew, with view of forming q
company of sufficient size to control the
whole Manila output. The company was
to purchase the hemp, and was also to es-
tablfsh factory for the manufacture OF
rope and Irvine In the islands, so that only
the finished product would need to be
shipped from there. The witness did not
think that a specific sum was mentioned
as the prospective capitalization of the
company.
Mr. Needham then endeayored to ascer-
tain from the witness what manner Of
protection he expected the United States
would give the new company.
This question was objected to by Major
Hawks. and the objection sustained. SEN
ator Cockrell told Mr.. Needham not to ask
the witness what he thought. but what
was actually said. The question was
changed to conform with this instruction,
ana the reply was that the witness did
not understand that the proposed COM
pany was to have the exclusive protection
OF the government. Il think l know the
United States too well to have thought
that he answered
Was there anything said in that CONVEX
sation that led you to infer that any differ
ent protection would be extended to this
company
After objection by Mai Hawks and
permission to answer by Senator Cockrell
the witness replied: mo, sir; there was
not"
Mr.: Needham having finished. Maj
Hawks obtained permission to ask the wit
ness more questions. He began: II think
you have stated that you went to Col. Heis-
tand's office with me?''
YES"
WAS my representation to you before
going to the Office confirmed by what Col
Heistand said?'
Senator Cockrell objected to this line Of
questioning. You have already asked the
same question. Let us have an end to
this some time. The judgment day is com
Ing, and we will not be through" He then
permitted the witness to reply to the ques-
ton. This reply was: 'In so far as I have
stated heretofore"
Major Hawks then remarked that he had
no more questions to ask the witness, but
would like to ask Col. Heistand a few
questions.
, These related to the conversation referred
to between Major Harrison and Col Hefs-
tand on the day before the latter sailed for
Paris. Col. Heistand testified that the
conversation took place in New York city.
In response to a request to repeat the con-
versation, the witness replied: HE asked
me about the hemp business, and told him
the matter was all off so far as I was con-
cerned; that l had heard things about
Hawks that did not please me, and then
he made this proposition to open the hemp
ports and close them at will which was
the first intimation l had had
told him it was unwarranted and that
he had no right to make such representa-
ton, that they were false and that would
take the matter up and get some informa-
ton on the subject"
A mutual friend Mr.. Whiting Allen. was
also present at this conversation but Coo
mel Heistand did not know whether he had
heard what was said. as they were at the
ticket office In Wallack's Theater at the
time. 1~
The military record of Colonel Heistand
as copied from the record in the War De-
partment, was made a part Of the record
at the request of Mr.. Needham, although
1t was objected to by Major Hawks as in
correct. "
The committee then adjourned to meet
Friday at o'clock.