The news & observer. [volume] (Raleigh, N.C.) 1894-current, 1901-11-28
THE TESTIMONY or
Mr.. GATTlS ALL IN
Continued from First Page.)

debts, but paid them; that he never
heard him say that the Methodist
preachers who owed him had broke him.
In regard to sales by Gattis in 1897, he
said, after the objection of defendants
counsel had been overruled and excep-
tion taken that it was about $24, 500.
Mr.. Gattis again went on the stand and
was questioned on cross examination.
he said that he had said that the West
ern North Carolina Conference had not
treated him right in taking away his po-
sition as cOlporteur in 1895, under the
circumstances, and when he was owed
from that conference $500 That he
had never said that Methodist preachers
had ruined him, but that they had kept
him embarrassed.
He stated positively in regard to the
agreement made up by Swindell and
other that he was soing to sign it; that
he had his pen in hand to do so, but that
when he learned he was not to have a
copy he refused to make the agreement.
Just here it was announced that Mr..
Umstead was in court and as he was sick
he was put on the stand. He stated that
it was sickness that had kept him away;
that he had purposed being present, and
that he had got ready last night to come
after which subpoena had been served
on him.
He testified that he was a steward of
Mount Tabor church. knew Mr. Gattis,
whose character was good and who had
preached on his circuit in 1899. He had
seen the pamphlet and it's circulation
had had a bad effect upon Mr.. Gattis'
standing in his community and his chap
1acter as man.
Then came a laughing season for all
but few in court. On cross examina-
tion Judge Winston was asked:
Did You not say in the last trial that
Mr.. Gattis talked too much?''
Yes, 1 said that Mr.. Gattis talked too
much, as does everybody else, Judge
Winston no exception to the rule"
Iaughter)
The question about Gattis being re-
peated he answered.: "He did," and
Judge Winston said that was all he
wanted to know on the subject.
On the redirect question he said that
his answer year ago had been substan-
TALLY the same, but Judge Winston con-
Guided he wanted to hear more on the
talking question, so he said:
Have you got the reputation of talk
ing too much?''
II have" ca ripple).
with whom?''
My wife," Gaughter).
Here Mr.. Umstead left the stand, add
ing to his sentence as he descended and
looking at Judge Winston, And I expect
your wife tells you that you talk too
much"
Mr.. Gattis was recalled to the stand
and the insurance question was again
gone over, Mr.. SGattis saying that he had
settled the case by taking back prem
ium: that he never knew of the opium
habit, charge of fraud as stated in the
complaint in possession of the defend
ant's attorneys, though he had heard of
the charge of fraud in last years trial.
He stated also that Mr.. r. c. Strong,
agent for the Equity Life Insurance
Company, had asked him about the op-
ium charge and he had told him it was
not so: that he was in as good health
when he renewed the lapsed policy as
when he took it out. His final declara-
tion was that he had never used NOR
phine except as directed by physician.
Asked about being transferred to the
Western North Carolina Conference
and the report that. he had been rejected
there, he said the Bishop alone had pow
er to transfer and it was not province
of the Conference, and that no list Of
superannuates was made in the appoint
ments given out by the Bishop; that so
far as he knew no objection had been
made to his transfer by the Bishop or
anyone else.
Explaining his taking the $40 from the
North Carolina Conference as a superan-
uate, he said that the money came from
collections taken by the pastors for the
purpose, and the Conference only admin
istered it, and that it was no gratuity
from the Conference.
Here the court adjourned for dinner.