The Hawaiian star. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu]) 1893-1912, 1901-07-10
AVOIDED DOLE AND ESTE
SUN VAT SEN TALKS OF HIS
HONOLULU VISIT.
An Interview in Japan About China's
Future-Wanted to be Secret While
Here

me Japan Gazette publishes the fol-
lowin" interview with the well known
reVolutionist, DIR. sun Vat Sen:
among the arrivals in Yokohama on
sunday by the America Maru was Sun
at sen, the well-known Chinese re-
former. He came Immediately from
Honolulu where he has been visiting
ms tamliy for some months. Accord
ing to telegram. which appears else
where in our columns, Sun Vat Sen
stated in Honolulu that he aimed at
the overthrow of the Empress Dowager
and her Mandarins and is backed by a
strong force.
In conversation on Sunday, however.
while not denying the truth of this
statement and indeed confirming its
substance, Sun Vat Sen stated clearly
that he did not wish to talk politics.
Things Will be worse in China be-
fore they are better" he said oracu-
larly, Il think before very long" Just
now everything is unsettled and have
not had time to inform myself thor
oughly since my arrival of the latest
news from China. | do not think the
Chinese Court has any sincere intention
or returning to Picking, but will prob
ABLY take up its position at some other
point than Sian, where it will have
closer communication with the Yangtze.
in China, it is clear that England and
Russia both profess friendship from
interested motives. Russia wants an
outlet for her railway and England
wants to increase her trade. Germany
has also trade interests OF course
Russia is closer ethnologically than
other nations, but 1 would not advise
China to trust to her professions of
friendship. England's attitude is more
above-board and the opening of China
to trade would be mutually beneficial
think that Japan could have great
influence I'm China by the friendly in
PRODUCTION there of modern methods
through the similar language and Gus
toms of the two countries.
But radical reform in China can
only come through the sweeping away
of the Manchu dynasty and it's corrupt
officials and the adoption of European
methods in business and government
administration The Emperor is prob
ably a good man but weak. / was on
the same steamer as United States
Minister Conger and he agreed with me
that the Emperor was weak-a very
child, he said. Ii Hung Chang is an
able man but too much infected with
Manchu ideas. Chinese reform will
come through others"
Sun Vat Sen expressed admiration
for American methods and told of the
increased volume of business in the Ha-
waiian Islands since their annexation.
He was not informed as to the latest
phases of the Indemnity Question, but
maintained that no movement could be
ripened i'm China until after the with
drawal of the international troops and
the conclusion of the session of the
Peace Commissioners. He denied all
knowledge of one Homer Lea, an
American student, who was stated to
have visited China in the interest of a
reform movement, such as Sun
Vat Sen is credited with LEADING. and
politely changed the subject when 1t
was brought up, He said that he had
had no intercourse with leading Ameri-
cans in Honolulu-he had not seer
Governor Dole or Federal Judge Estee
AS, for obvious reasons, he wished to
keep his plans and himself as secret"
as possible. "You see." he explained,
IT did not wish to make the Chinese
Government uncomfortable unneces-
sarily."