The Wichita daily eagle. [volume] (Wichita, Kan.) 1890-1906, 1901-09-10

ago. In Russia. be says. he was book
keeper. He was forced TO leave the coun-
try, and after travelling over South Amer
| lea he came 20 this c0datry and located
first in San Francisco. There he worked
as a gardner. Later he removed 10 Port
land. Oregon. and began the publication
/ OF a rabid anarchistic paper called the
! FirebTand. but the paper was suppressed
by the United States postal authorities.
/ Then Isaak came to Chicago and started
Free Society. a paper devoted 10 the in
terests OF local anarchists Isaak talks
intelHgentiy but rabidly on matters per-
tanning TO sociological questions.
4 Isaak denied that Emma Goldman had
urged any violence in any Of the lectures
she had delivered in Chicago during the
early summer. and insisted that Czolgosz
could not have been inspired 10 his deed
| by any of her utterances.
WOULDN'T SAVE M'KINLEY.
Hippolyte Havel. the second one Of
! those under arrest 20 be examined BY
! Chief ONeil, IS q nexcitable Bohemian.
| 35 years OF age. IN appearance he Is the
I opposite of Isaak. Dwarfed OF stature.
narrow eyed. with Jet black hair hanging
in a confused mass over his low forehead.
and a manner OF talking that brings into
| play both hands. he looked the part when
! he boldly told Chief O'Neil that he was
an anarchist and wouldn't have told the
] police even IL he had known an assassin
was going 10 Buffalo 70 kin President Nc
/ Kinley.
/ Navel has been an agitator among the
/ anarchists OF Bohemia. and brought his
extreme ideas with him when he came TO
| this country about a year ago. In 1884 he
was sentenced to two years confinement
in the prison at rizen. Bohemia, because
7 he delivered incendiary speeches. Ten
months ago he came TO Chicago and has
since resided with the Isaak family at 5l5
/ Carroll avenue.
! Havel tells this story Of his meeting
with the man who he believes to be
Czolgosz:
7 frequently met Emma Goldman while
| she was in Chicago and a guest Of Issak
family. heard her speak and saw her at
! several meetings OF the society. on the
/ day that she left for Buffalo, believe It
was on July y. [ went to the Lake Shore
depot to bid her goodby. When I got there
1 found Emma Goldman. Mrs. Issak, her
daughter and a stranger. VINO was intro
duced to me. don't remember his
name"
WAS it Czlosz or CzolEosz, or was It
Nieman?" asked the chief.
Il don't remember. but rather think he
said his name was Nieman."
czoLeosz LIKE A CHILD.
talked with the man about half an
hour. He talked like little child. No,
I don't believe he was insane. but he
asked such foolish questions. He was
2S or 80 years of age, about 8 feet 10 or Il
inches tall. and think was smooth shaw
en-. don't remember much that he said
except that he wanted TO know all about
the comrades in Chicago and about the
secret meetings of local anarchists.
Il didn't see him talk TO Emma Cold
man, and I don't know whether they were
acquainted. / saw the stranger at one
of our society meetings. but never got
sociable with him because thought he
was a spy.
u had been at the depot a few minutes
on the day that Emma Goldman went
away when Mr.. Isaak came, and he talk
ed TO the fellow some little time. After
the train pulled out Mr and Mrs Is9ak
the stranger and myself boarded an ele-
waited train and went TO Isaaks home.
don't think I saw him again after that
No. I neve heard him talk about killing
any one"
"SuDposing you had heard this stranger
declare that he was going to Buffalo TO
assassinate the president, would you have
notified the police?' HaveI was asked.
AGAINST ALL LAW.
mo. I wouldn't 1t is not my duty
to tell the police anything. Who are the
police? Who are any officers of the law?
What good can they do2 don't believe
in police. Ny people don't believe in po-
lice. We believe in anarchy. There is
no law for US. We are against tyrants.
"Do you believe Mckinley is 2 tyrant2'
NO. sir-wen. don't know about Nc
Kinley." Havel replied, quickly correct /
ing his negative reply.
Does your society think him a tyrant?'
Il can't say. guess he is no better no
worse than the rest"
How 90 your people feel about the at
tempt to assassinate the president" Hav-
81 was asked. He shrugged his should
ers and said he didn't know.
PRAISES HAYMARKET RIOTERS.
Chief O'Neu and Havel then entered
into a heated discussion OF auarchism and
ansrchistic principles ard the talk finally
drifted to the haymarket riot in which ;he
lives Of so many Chicago policemen were
sacrificed. Havel said he admired the
men who were hanged. He characterlz-
ed them as heroes.
when asked II he had engaged. OF
wanted to engage, an attorney Hsvei re-
piled that he wanted nothing 20 DO with
the law.
Anarchists recognize no law he said f.
Both Isaak and Havel were questioned 1
closely and at great length concerning 4
their acquaintance with Czofgosz and his /
conduct and manner while 81 Chicago by .
CaptaiA Colleran. CHIEF ONeM and
Mayor Harrison and at the close of the /
sweating process each of the officials +
admitted that the fact seemed wei estah- f
Iished that Czolsz. Nieman ard CzolE0sz .
were one and the same. They were sat- +
Isded that the man who attempted o. as-
saszIuate President McKinlev was i1 Chs +
cago and Mingled win local anarchists .
in the early part q July.
During the examination II Tsaak ani .
Havel Mayor Harrison save the cl0sest 4
attention 20 their statements ard FREE
quentIy interrupted them Win eaeetion .
concerning the strergth and activity ~
local alsrchlst soriCties The facts
brought o1t were that sil - the men ur-
DER arrest attended q meeting ~ rte Chl-
cago anarchist society a. tne Athensesrr.
zs East Van Buren street. iast slatay
nights that are society wa7 orse1fzef .
only o. short time ego ard ttst ot iate