New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1900-02-03

Clare, inviting Mr.. Goschen to try to talk
sense" whereupon the Speaker. William Court
Gully, demonstrated, and Mr.. Redmond withdrew
his expression
Combining. Mr.. Goschen assured the House
that since the outbreak of the there had
been an unbroken tension at the Admiralty:
They knew their position, and their strong and
weak points. They had regard for the situation
from the point 0f view Of the empire, and not
from that of South Africa alone. 1t would have
been criminal act to do otherwise, but it would
be unwise 10 parade their strength IF Ger
many any Of the great Powers had been in
position, would they have been more pa
tient?" Mr.. Goschen asked He then said he re-
there was no reason for any feeling OF inse
curity While the navy was in It's present po-
sition, with the country SO conscious Of its re-
sources, it was folly to speak Of panic.
Mr.. Bryce repudiated the imputation that the
Opposition was endeavoring to make party cap
ital out Of the situation. The fusion of races
in South Africa, he said, proceeding up to
the time Of the Jameson raid, which upset every
thing and gave the Transvaal a justification for
its ornaments and threw the Free State into
the Of the Transvaal.
II do not deny" he continued, that the Out
landers had their grievances, but these were
greatly exaggerated The grievances were bad,
but the war is worse; and while a failure to
dress the grievances might have formed casus
belli. the franchise question could not, because
under the convention of 1884 the Transvaai had
complete freedom in internal affairs. While the
Governments diplomacy was warke, its prep
arations were peaceful This is one Of the heavi-
est charges against the Government, and II is
due to the fact that the Government believed
the Beers would not fight. The Beers went to
war because they believed the promoters OF the
Jameson raid had the Of the Government"
Mr.. Bryce concluded with an expression of dis
belief in the alleged Dutch conspiracy and a
prediction that the clouds hanging around the
empire would, even when the had been
brought to successful conclusion, be far dark
er than now.
Sir Edward Clarke, Member for Plymouth
who followed Mr.. Goschen suggested that at
the end of the debate the amendment 10 the
address should be Withdrawn, as the vote might
be misunderstood in the Transvaal and through
ont EnrO He cgiH hot TyIa IL
of opinion there might be regarding the in
evitabiiity of the war, more mischief, in his
judgment would be occasioned by stopping hos
tilitles than by conducting them to successful
issue
Gossip in the lobby this evening seems to in
dicate that the impression produced last night
by Mr.. Wyndhams exposition OF the military
situation is deepening, and 1t Is noticeable that
the opponents of the Government are now at
lacking their diplomacy rather than their mill
tary shortcomings.
Sir Edward Grey's utterances have also pro-
duced good effect, and IL is asserted in the lobby
that pressure is being brought to bear upon the
leaders Of the Opposition to secure the with
drawal of the amendment. Should, however, this
not be attained, ii is expected that the debate
will, In any event, end early next week.
! IRISH MEMBERS CREATE A SCENE
Colonel saunderson Conservative. member for
North Armagh, in a lively speech crtIcsing the
pro-Boerism of the Nationalsts. provoked an
other scene by declaring that the Nationalist
never attacked in front, but always from the
rear. This remark met by uproar from
the Irish benches. Mr. Dillon complaining that
the Nationalist had been grossly insulted, and
others jeeringly asking Colonel Saunderson why
he did not go to the front
W. Redmond said the Speaker ought 10 pro-
tect freshmen from such insults. adding. IF
had said anything, l should not be permitted"
the bull evoking roars OF laughter
Mr.. Redmond retorted to the laughter That's
the way to hoist the Union Jack in Pretoria
John Redmond then appealed to the Speaker
for decision as to whether Colonel Saunder-
sons remark was not unparliamentary.
The Speaker declined TO be drawn; but in
quite long speech for him he pointed out that
such remarks, used in the freedom of debate
py tne NauonaEsts as we'll as others, were, so
long as they ala not become personal, in order.
He said ne believed the members of the House
|, would s'E% him credit for always trying to be