The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1900-03-23

EaAl-t L-ll WIKI iAe usual powers a..
the Council Of state. The Council on
It's own motion could not meet except
through th- Executive Council For In
sorting new items, I don't think the
power exists"
Gear. ID you mean Co say the Com
.cil has no right 90 increase or decrease
the amount of totals In any bul9"
Cooper. NO. don't think So"
Robertson. How was 90 a few weeks
ago when the Council was called to-
r.thsr 90 make appropriations that an
amount OF $4,000 vas introduced and
Increased % $4,000
Cooper. d don't know. wasn't
present"
Achi. II We find some bills thlt
came In late then We have no right TO
add them To- the amount
Cooper. No. I don't think you
have"
IssuberE. DO you mean 20 say We
cannot add Co. or decrease any amount
in hiI'7 Mo- Then move this Coun-
ell Of State adjourn sine die"
Cooper. III the Constitution -''
Isenberg: Il raise a point OF order.
President Dole. u think. gentlemen.
this Is a rash motion. Il Is moved and
seconded that this Council adjourn sine
die. { will ask for the ayes and noes.
The motion lcounung) e. lost"
Kennedy. lis this Council meeting
now strictly upon the provisions OF the
Hawaiian Constitution. or have the
words OF President Mckinley anything
to do with it,"
Cooper: Il think the machinery Of
the Council Of State has been greatly
enlarged. The Council does not meet
here OF It's own accord. but az the call
OF the Executive Council. Are We right
in submitting the amounts To you OF
are We wrong? ] don't think you are
sitting here with legislative power be-
yond appropriations. Any recon-
menda;ions which the Council desires
20 make 10 the Executive Council Will
be received courteously and receive the
attention and weight IL deserves; but to
introduce absolutely new items not
having the sanction Of the Executive. /
don't think you have that power"
President Dole: My impression Is
somewhat different from the Attorney
| Generals. We have not discussed the
question recently: but the precedent
mentioned the very day when the re-
quest for $4,000 was increased TO S25.-
OVU, is in line with the conclusion ar
rived at a year or two ago when a ques-
ton came up. Whether the Council had
the right to recommend 10 the Exec
utive Council. There was considerable
discussion upon IL and the conclusion
was that the Council could recommend
a proposition. but could not introduce
any proposition"
| Robertson: 1t seems TO me the only
way for the Council OF State TO settle
the matter is for II 20 adopt a sense OF
the Council as a whole. thus: ] move
that. 1t is the sense OF the Council OF
State that We have the right TO amend
Iany OF the appropriation bills We have
in hand. either by increasing or de-
creasing, or by striking out or adding
new items"
Gear felt that II the Council was "a
consider these items II should also have
the right to alter them, either by In
lcreasing OF decreasing the amounts
He did not consider they could act in.
telIigently on any bills unless the Coun
ell had the power to do so.
| Kaulukou questioned the considera
ltlon OF Mr.. Robertson's motion before
disposing of the petition; a motion e
lrefer Il TO the Executive having already
been before the Council. Mr. Robert
son contended the last motion tool
precedence over the first one.
President Dole ruled Mr.. Robertson
motion out OF order. The motion &C
refer the bills TO the judiciary Commit
tee was then voted upon and carried.
| Pres. Dole: las TO Mr.. Robertson
motion now. I have doubts whether
that Is i'm order: Il Is a constitutions
matter. / would like TO hear some dis
cussion upon IL. The Constitution O
Hawaii provides a Council of State. e
have a very limited Jurisdiction. IL Il
a Council which attends TO business
under invitation OF the EXecutiv,
Council: and 10 enlarge its pTerOgatiy'
OF It's own motion, / don't see how /
, can be done President McKinle.
= probably has the power. The EXecu
tive has no veto. The important bus
mess Of the Executive Council Is q
? initiate business before this Council. ]
the Council OF State can Introduce ne'
} items II seems 10 me II Is an enlarge
7 ment OF its prerogative so far as IN
Constitution goes. President Mckin
= lev expects the Council TO attend Q
/ emergency appropriations. Whethe
: that vague expression for making nee
essary appropriations under diferen
conditions from the limited work "
, have done heretofore, whether thes
E circumstances combine to enlarge tn
e status OF the Council, / should like {
hear something OF IL"
p Cooper: IF the Council Of Stat
2 can introduce new items / don't sc
why we cannot Introduce new Items 10
3 all the losses sustained by the China
. town fire, and the Executive woul
D have no veto power over any act Of IN
3 Council OF State"
Z Isenberg: Then who is responsible
2 for the additional $4,000 which wa
I spent BY the Board OF Health approprI
o ated over and above the $4,000 orig
> nally asked for by the Health Board?
= No answer.
y Kane expressed himself in favor q
I the motion. The President had author
. lied the first act passed by the COunci
The committees were getting 70 wor
2 on their reports, yet they had no dii
; cretionary power either 10 Increase 2
h decrease bills. Mr.. Gear stated that b
=. felt the Council could not legislate ur
Z TO Itself the power 70 use discretionar
. rovvers hut he considered the COunc