The news & observer. [volume] (Raleigh, N.C.) 1894-current, 1900-11-24

dShCu lOI IL pdSlOTdte. Ouc was given
me which paid me $575. Out of this /
had to pay house rent. This year, on ac-
count of slight physical troubles, | am to
be put on the superannuated list. This
will pay, / understand, $175 to $3.50.
Were you examined as witness in the
Clark Kilgo controversy, and how came
you to be examined"
II received a request from Judge Clark
asking me to testify. l declined. Then
l was subpoenaed by j. H. Southgate,
president Of the board Of trustees Of
Trinity College | declined to accept SER
vice, unless the bishop advised me 20 do
so. My financial backer, Mr.. j. S. Carr,
advised me not to testify. My friend
Major Guthrie advised me in the same
way. others, among them my attorneys,
Boone & Bryant, advised me to testify.
Judge Clark said my name would be
called whether | consented to testify or
not Mr.. Southgate advised me to so on
the stand and tell what | knew So
finally, | decided to testify"
Then the witness told of q conversation
he had on the train with Judge Clark as
he (the witness) was on his way home
from South Carolina.
81 told Judge Clark that DR.. Kilgo's
reputation in South Carolina was that OF
a wire puller, or words to that effect. /
don't know that l used the words wire
puller, but | told him that was his repu-
tation in South Carolina"
The witness told the sources of his in
formation on this point.
while in South Carolina l came in con-
tact with all the preachers and with Il
large number of laymen, for | visited
every district conference except one 1t
was while on this visit to South Carolina
that / learned OF DR.. Kilgos reputation
there
The witness then told Of two convcrsa-
tons with DR.. Dred Peacock, in which he
told him (Peacock) that the South Caro-
linians were laughing in their sleeves at
what we were doing in regard to DR..
Kilgo.
I'm South Carolina ! often heard Or.
Kilgo discussed, and the impression / got
was that he was an agitator, manipu-
lator-seeking position for himself and
giving others trouble
"It was public rumor that Or. Kilgo
had tried to undermine DR.. Carlyle, pres
ident of Waiford College, and get his posi-
tion. and that an agreement had been en-
tered into between DR.. KiIgo, Or. w. G.
kirkland and DR.. John O. Wilson by
which DR. Kilgo was to be president of
Wafford College, Dr. Kirkland secretary
OF Sunday Schools, and Dr. Wilson editor
of the Advocate"
He said he had heard DR.. Kilgo dis
cussed in all parts of the State.
Asked as to the charge in the pamphlet
that unchristian language was indulged in
fb, nf h t,t.'A
tho witness said he had never heard of
such a thing until it was published. He
did his best to be a gentleman, and ex-
pected gentlemanly conduct and convcrsa-
tion from those who visited his store
The witness said, referring to his final
consent to testify, that Judge Clark told
him that in case he (Gattis) refused to
tell what he knew he (Clark) would say
that 1t was because he was afraid his head
as an officer in the conference would be
cut Off
WAS DR.. Kilgo frequent visitor to
your store?"
Yes; up to the spring of 1898, and then
he seldom came"
THE CLARK -KILGO TRIAL.
Were all three of the defendants pres
ent at the Clark Kigo triaI?"
They were; Duke and Odell were
members of the board and Dr. Kilgo was
ex-officio member"
who was prosecutor"
REV. G. A. Oglesby pastor of Main
Street Methodist Church."
Objection to this was made by counsel
for defense. To this Mr.. Watson an
swcred: eve propose to show that
Oglesby was Dukes and Kilgo's pastor
and he was chosen instead of an independ-
ent man; we also propose to show the
character OF the prosecution put UP by
Oglesby. We expect to show that it was
not a bona fide trial"
The court ruled that 1t being alleged
that the publication was malicious, every
thing in regard to this investigation was
competent and ought to be put before the
jury. The examination was resumed The
witness said defendants Duke and Kilgo
were members OF Main Street (Oglesbys)
Church.
WAS it an open trial or a closed
| trial?"
"My recollection is that Mr.. Merritt. of
the News and Observer, was excluded"
WAS it open to the public?"
ut seems not. as he was excluded
thing in regard to a conversation with
Rev. n. NJ. Jurney?"
"Ycs; he (Clark) challenged the jury.
Of whom Jurney was one, charging that
Mr.. Jurney had said he would fight for
Kilgo till his finger nails were off, then
till his teeth were out, and then he would
gum it."
was Clark's challenge sustaincd?"
1T was not"
"Did you sec this pamphlet while 1t was
| being printed"
Il saw part of it; my testimony was
shown me by Mr.. Southgate."
who took down the testimony during
the trial?"
Mr.. Newsom, Dr. Kilgo's private sec
rctary."
"Was objection made to ths?"
Yes; Judge Clark objected, and then
asked that he be sworn. Or. Kilgo said
nobody would be sworn, but that tho OBJ
legation on each one present would be
more binding even than an oath"
WAS Kilgo's speech published in a
newspaper"
1T was published three days after the
trial in the Raleigh Post"
Further evidence In regard to this