The Topeka state journal., 1900-10-15
CRIMES RECALLED
State Treasurer Again Placed
ON the Stand.
Remains Firm in His Assertions
of Innocence.
ANOTHER MISSING MAN.
This Time 1t is County Attorney
Crum.
Mr.. Grimes Attorneys Want to
Find Him.
MISSING MAN.

AT O'CLOCK, the hour fixed for reSuTn-
ing the taking of dispositions in the
Grimes case, this morning there We're
present Attorneys Doran and Waters
representing the prosecution and Mr..
Hite and Mr.. Carver representing the
defense.
During the wait Justice McClintock
telephoned Sheriff Cook, who will to-
day summon the officers of the other
banks. Fred Freeman responded to a
call by telephone, said:
I have not been summoned. So I
want to consult my lawyers"
At this moment Mr.. Hite said to Mr..
Waters:
Joe. have you heard from Crum?''
Have you heard from Willard?" re-
torted Waters
'No-o.' said Hite with surprise.
Hite.
He is probably chasing Willard, said
Waters.
And Crum's associates are chasing
rainbows," said Hite.
well, Wen see,' said Waters.
Between US, said Judge Carver, Joe
whom do you REPRESENT
The great state of Kansas which Mr.
GODDARD does not said Waters
But you didn't get that shave you
made SO much fuss about said Carver
"I'lI confess false pretenses on that .
said Waters.
AT 9:15 Mr.. Grimes and his stenogra-
pher arrived The treasurer was placed
on the stand by Mr. Waters and at 9:2O
the hearing was resumed.
said Mr.. Waters.
Yes"
What day?"
Il don't remember" said Grimes.
Where was hep
''At Lake View
Did you talk to him?"
NO, L asked him when he was COM
ing home He told me and that was
all"
:. =. What was your reason for calling
81 knew that it seemed to be the pur-
pose to persecute and ruin me. There
We're all sorts of rumors flying around
and wanted to talk with Willard" +"
What did you talk about in your Of
nee after he came home ?'
L don't remember
What did he say?''
Nothing so far as his knowledge of
this case was concerned .
why did you get the pass for him %
Because he had asked me for it
DID you ask him when he was COM
ing back?"
You knew that Willard was a first
class witness for you if you had never
received money from that bank while
he was -cashier?"
Yes; but I didn't know he was going
to stay away
Did you ever have a talk with viii
lard, freeman or any one connected with
that bank, even in a 'joshing' way.
about this money you We're to receive? ?''
Perhaps did, but don't remember
Did you ever ask P L Bonebrake or
Edwin Knowles, of the Central National
bank, for interest, or a bonus, or gra-
tuity?"
mo, SIR
You say without reservation that you
have never received from any person ON
earth a cent of money for the use of
this money!" said Waters.
No, sir; never have" said Grimes,
with emphasis.
IF money has gotten into your pocket
during this time it was by accident2 2''
That's silly question: said Grimes
We'll, answer it," said Waters
1 won't pay any attention to it. You
know there's nothing in it., replied
Grimes.
Upon an objection from the defense to
questions concerning the statement al
legged to have been made by Willard
that he was in the habit of paying
Grimes interest at stated periods Mr.
Waters digressed in another direction,
and closed the examination
Mr.. Grimes on cross examination said
he did not talk to Willard about leaving
town, and that nothing had been said
about the alleged interest payments to
Grimes.
Mr. Grimes was excused and Mr.. Free
man, VINO was accompanied by his at
torney, Cliff Histed. was called.
MIR. FREEMAN ON THE STAND.
Have you ever heard, seen, or par
ticipated; or is there in existence any
record, which would indicate the pay
ment to Grimes of any bonus, interest,
or gratuity?'
Il have not, and there is no record of
any such transaction" said Freeman.
DO you know of any such payment?''
L do not
Mr.. Waters here asked MI. Freeman
to produce the books.
This Freeman did not do, but read a
statement, prepared by his attorney, de-
clining to do 50. because, as Mr. Free
man said, 1T would be an unWarrant-
able disclosure and a breach of trust
towards the customers and those en-
ga aged in business with it, We're to pro-
duce or submit its books, papers and
records to general inspection. / am ad-
Vised that it would be violation Of my
official duties as cashier of the bank
TO permit this to be done. I therefore
respectfully decline to produce these
looks.
do you refuse2" said Waters.
4 viii furnish you a transcript of our
records showing the transactions with
Mr.. Grimes, the making and payment Of
that note for $780, but Will not pro-
duce the books"
Mr.. Waters then stated that he de-
sired to see the records to ascertain
whether Grimes had been paid money
under cover of some item of expense
Mr.. Freeman said this could be done
but he thought it had not been done.
Have you some notes OF Wizards not
paid. and charged OFF,
Decline to answer that" said Attor-
ney Histed-
That's a fine question: said Hite.
Who paid you2'' said Grimes
Waters did not heed the question.
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