The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1900-11-17
OUR SHIPS AND EUROPE'S.
BUILDERS DON'T COMPETE on EQUAL
TERMS YET. q. ". DICKIE SAYS.

TbHHS fbT. u. W. DiChfh Shic'
The Cost Of labor 10 SIN . Great Handicap
In Thts Country, He Tells the Naval Ar
chitects-Ciose Of the Most successful Con-
v~-ntion Witch They Have Ever HELD
The eighth annual meeting Of the Society
Of Naval Architects and Marie Engineers ended
last night with n dinner at Delmonico's. To-day
the members Of the society. on an Invitation
rendered by Charles Il. Cramp. viii visit the
Cnmp ~shipbuildins yard NJ PhiiadeiphiA-
After Inspecting the plant . luncheon VIII DO
served BY MIR. CraInp. This meeting mas oeen
the most successful In the history OF tho 30
ciety and has been largely attended. IhS
was especially true Of yesterday session. wheh
Q number Of interesting papers pertaining "
shIpbuilding we're read and dts olsssd.
Charles II Cramp presided at the morning
session In the auditorium OF the hmcr'c~h
Society of Engineers on West 1hirty-hrst street
ard Clement A. Grlsconi. President OF the IN
~t.rnationai Navigation Company. In the aver
noon. More thnn usual intnrest centred IN
a paper ty George W. Diokie dealing with ths
question whether American shipbuildsra under
present conditions could compete with Ioreitn
and frelah, steamships, Mr.. lick!e said ttnMt
there vere three poins TO be considered.rkan
II design cot q Isb 2,,c cnd .S Cot ,h OF S IN fsund
i th SI p2oaac f u 5T ors S aRhHIpS%ilds? md snotSsr
to csa az ins' the %s o %s; Of LABOR a. Sssx.eS eur
yards and those Of Great Britain. said ~;
Dlckis ! do not think that II Eill be bronsnss
s9GS. S paid 9Th i[hrS S"f"ri, 9. .SlJ bSiSISs TcIid;
but hope hat some OF the rising shlph,iiders
among ". yonnser members Of or prots,,iSSn
s vii Si Ss,' a 4 is 4 on'E sai RS,f n hs q iof 4 ,n sfnt ~!
rot exceed what nSh ,S . ~, y, S ~. I iaS"r. c Ssne
tributes 70 tie product, on Of that Piece shall
receive ~ recompen-e the percentage that ht,
idhor re- rsenT W. ~ w ~" "'picS s.. ws"oTrEed ~
The English .hiobnilder had an advantage
over the American builder in the cost 81 ma
said The conclusion he arrived at was that
we were no, yet IN a pGsia9n I" GoSmhG,s sn C;
S%..sfnIlv al a. ar s.G SSIS o wih .s me hc snspou''a'r' OF
AS we gain experiences and adopt new meth,
DDS. especially In regard To the infringement
g 81 Ir .na, ,nq nav 'm Ultimately '' di.aippear' scins
wise le ,islation will have to be devised that
will enable the American shipowner to eIild
more. until We have found out the way I" pay
American labor to build American ships that
viii 30! cost pore insn u ri, b .nbIs act nv brel opgs
70 that cl1s, OF subjects which cannot he dem
oustrated by any statement OF facts. as facts
In one place are not facts IN ano'ner' ana 'a''s
The discussion which followed the reading
q MIR. Dickie's pepe, was spirited and ~ nVe ,Ss
Great Lakes coutendei that we were. on terms
10 compete with the builders abroad. but the
minority Of the shirbuilIeLs pre,en' oiu noI
handIcsp 10 shipbuilding here was tie cost OF
labor. but pointed out that the arrangement
Of the hours Of labor in this country was better
Rear Admiral Phnip NiehhoT- Chic, Con,
structor Of the Nay presented q pSper on
,Recen' ne.ige o. Set yK Y ss sna f he sSid:
The warshtp design Is OF necessity a COM
promise. and II Is the province Of those resnon-
tibie Tor the ultimat" success ~ the d 'Entoso
apportlon the various esAcntiel elements az To
produce the most efficient Inan-of-war, The
i've 6attleships included IN, the present ship;
din ensions. protection md interior arrange
ments, with the exception that three vessels
haze four Of the Inch Gg1s N supcrpcSd
vessels are unsheathed and have TIE eight
s-inch gum IN pairs In four turrst.. qnite inde-
pendent Of the i2inch turre1s, mse t LnGs, s%,r.
Increased length, which has been neces-itatcd
by the Increased speed and coal endliranoe
ciined arnor at the forward aud Of the redouht.
an arrangement OF the casennte arrnor whiCh
permits the brosdside battery 70 be snuely
housed without disnountiug aId me sp5sttH-
boiiers.-
on HI'fI fN u ' ~ al VI - va ~ - 49,
was the general opinion that the wards and tool.
in this country were In advance Of those in
any couutrv Of the world. The other papers
war., of a mo-o or leas technical chs ractor.
Al the annual dinner last night President
Griscom presided. At the guests table sat
Snowdnr and Col. J. }. McCook. each Of whom
mad -rcrches. Congressman 'umr,inrs spoke
on THE Navy and when he said that as long
~ he remained IN Coiric~s ne would do all
he could 20 increase the numher OF battle
,lips h- was loudly che cred. CO.. Snowdcn
aud Col MoCock in their speeches told how
necessary II ives FOR this country 70 increase
the size Of ia merchant marine II We want
10 hold our share II the worlds trade.
The last speaker was l.ouis Nixon who. be-
sides hoing q member Of the society. is also
ore OF Mr.. Cookers committee ~ Two aD-
pointed to root ont vice. In introducing MI
Nixon pres!d"r' GriscOm said
We have with us tc-nlrht A man who not
only can build sh'ps bur who has recently
turned refurmer. He saws that II we Will
him after this BANQUET he VIII
show us some OF the places he Will aeon have
closed p
Mr. Griscorn's f~acetiou. introduction was
evidently taken seriously hv Mr. Nixon. FIR
when the laughter subsidized he referred 70
the impending crusade OF NINA In this
some Of the door, that close tonight viii
not open tomorrow
MIR Nixon's address dealt with the great
progress. made in shtpbuiliing In this country
In the last ten years.