The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1900-10-13
GRIMES DENIES.
Econtinued from the First Paee.1

Iard's going away, and I don't know
when he will be back"
The examination then reverted to the
note upon which Mr.. Grimes borrowed
money from the bank
How did you pay that note?
"With money"
where did you get it?'
Earned it"
with interest on state funds?"
NO" said Grimes with laugh.
"I1ow did you earn it?
by my salary and other income.
HAS anybody else handed you any
money!"
'sWhat do you mean?" exclaimed
Grimes. Explain it. I want the public
to understand it,
you seemed to be alarmed about the
public
I want the public to know about this
Have you ever received any money
without an explanation as to what it
was for?'
TALKED WITH MAJOR SIMS.
s'Di you ever have a conversation with
William Sims, of the First National
bank. about INTEREST,""
Yes, we talked about that subject,
but there was no understanding between
u.s.
what was the substance of that CON
versation?'
u don't remember
ibid you ever go to Sims and ask him
to allow you interest or bonus on state
funds to be left in the First National
bank2.
Are you sure?"
Yes, positive"
ken?"
Sims can answer that"
Mr. Doran caused laugh by sudden
ly changing the drift of the examina-
ton, by asking:
You got the pass for WiIlard?"
Mr.. Grimes testified that he has talk
ed frequently with the Topeka bankers
about the interest business, because it
has been so frequently written up in the
papers.
But we have had no understanding
as TO payments for my TSrsonal benefit"
MR.. GRIMES FLAT DENIAL
Mr.. Doran renewed the questions con-
piled by saying:
You are trying to prove that have
had interest or bonus in payment for
use of state money. I have talked to
hundreds of people but have never had
an understanding or a cent of money!
DO you want to say that you have
never asked the officers Of the Topeka
banks to pay you for the use of state
money!"
Il never have"
did you ever make such ARRANGEMENT
through a third party?"
Il did not"
Did Frank Willard ever pay you any
money!"
- Ask that question right said Grimes.
TIL answer it,
Answer it as it isl said Doran.
No, you know what you are trying to
prove. Willard paid me money for state
purposes, and want that understood"
Were any of your checks on the
banks for warrants larger than the war
rant which you We're paying?"
mot that I know of. I would have
been short at night balances, if I had
Unless you had gotten it out OF the
mail" said Doran.
Did you ever pay other than state
debts or warrants with checks as treas
urer''
mo, sir"
At this juncture it was agreed that
the records should be presented, and Mr..
Grimes was excused until later, perhaps
this afternoon, perhaps not until next
week
w. A L. Thompson, president of the
Merchants National bank, was called at
11:20, recess of five minutes having
been taken.
rs the payment on deposits a subject
which comes before the directors?''
TT has never come before our board
Has your bank ever paid Mr.. Grimes
interest on state money in your bank?'
Not to my knowledge"
IF interest is paid on deposits in your
bank who manages it?'asked Mr.. Doran.
1.-The cashier
ITO what account is it charged?f'
Il can not tell you"
DO you not carry an account of ex-
penSeS and income?"
They should do So"
You are not familiar with the books?''
mo, SIR
HAS Mr.. Grimes ever talked to you
about interest on state funds?''
HE has not
Has Mr.. Kelly?'
mo, SIR
tTIave you ever talked with any per-
son about this INTEREST,""
mo, sir
Have you not been bothered by the
reporters since this matter came up?''
Yes. but have not had any converse
ton with them''
MIGHT BE MADE WITHOUT
KNOWLEDGE.
might thiss arrangement to pay in
terest be made without your knowI-
edge?"
DO your directors examine the banks
dnances?''
"A committee does this and reports"
who are they?''
81 can not tell you. I can not recall
Them
Have you ever talked to Mr.. Willard
about the payment Of interest on these
deposits2'
ITO which we object" said Mr.. Hite
(Which does not prohibit an answer
said Mr.. Waters
IT think the question unfair,'' said
Hite
I want to put it just that way" said
Doran.
81 have not" said Mr.. Thompson.
ROBERT PIERCE CALLED.
The witness was dismissed without
cross exanina ton, and Robert Pierce
a. director of the Merchants National
bank and a former member of the ex-
aiming board. was sworn.
Would you go beneath the surface to