New-York tribune., 1900-05-24
SPOONEK SPEAKS AGAIN.
HIS DEFENCE OF THE ADMINISTRA-
TION'S POLICY CONTINUED.
DRAWN INTO LIVELY BOUTS WITH sENA-
TORS HALE AND TILLMAN OVER
CUBAN SCANDALS.
tpy TELEGRAPH TO THE TRIBUNE

| siticn of the purposes which have inspired Amer
ioan policy in the Philippines, and of the condi-
/ tions which justify this Governments determi-
nation to assert the sovereignty the archi-
pelago which It assumed of the legacies
of the war with Spain. The Wisconsin Senator
| spoke with less physical effort to-day than yes
| terday and indulged in repeated bursts of really
| brilliant oratory. Two Ions and spirited colo
| Quies with Senators Hale. of Maine and TIL
| man. of South Carolina, took him far out of his
| beaten track. involving him. for one thing. in
| discussion of the results of American admins
tration in Cuba. But these digressions only
| served to heighten and freshen the effect of his
| defence of the Governments general programme
of dealing with the territory and the peoples
| brought under American rule by the cessions Of
| the Paris Treaty.
| CUBAN SITUATION DISCUSSED.
| Mr.. Spooner incidentally referred to the situa-
| tion in Cuba and American responsibilities
| there.
Mr.. Hale interrupted him to say that in view
| of what had happened In Cuba it would have
| been better had abandoned it.
| Does the Senator think replied Mr.. Spooner,
| ''in the have put should have aban-
| doned Cuba?"
| Il think it would have been the best thing in
| the world for if had done it,, replied Mr.
| Hale. Il think if it found that the popula-
| ton in Cuba as hostile to us as 1t had been
| to Spain, we should have abandoned it and been
| glad to get rid of it,
Well replied Mr. Spooner. that is mat
| ter of opinion. In the case 1 have put believe
| should have taken Cuba and held it. giving
| to the people of Cuba what they never had had
| in the world-indvdual liberty and good gov
| ernment."
Mr. Hae-The Senator has confidence
| than have in the experiment we are trying
| to-day of teaching the people OF Cuba honesty
and good government. I think would have
been better off If we had not taught the Cubans
! the lesson that has been taught in the last few
months.
Mr. Spooner-What lesson?
Mr. Hale-The lesson of fraud. peculation,
cheating appropriation of revenues, stealing,
| carnival in every direction of corruption and
| fraud.
Mr. Spooner-It is a little tiresome for me to
be called upon on this side of the chamber to
reply to a Democratic speech.
Mr. Hale-I am as good a Republican the
| Senator from Wisconsin. I do not recognize
any party obligations that compel me to con-
sent to the proposition that everything has
gone right in Cuba.
Mr. Spooner-Nobody pretends it.
| Mr. Hale-I do not think the experiment has
| been failure. l would vote tomorrow to with
draw from Cuba and leave the people to estab-
| lish and set up and maintain their own govern
| ment. The time will come when Republicans
will be glad when get out of this thing with
out things happening than now.
What does the Senator mean?" demanded
Mr.. Spooner, when he speaks in general terms
| of carnival of fraud and corruption"
MR.. HALE'S VIEW OF THE TROUBLE
II mean the things disclosed" replied Mr..
| Hale. "A bill of particulars has been filed al
ready. 1t is not the Administration that is at
| fault. 1t is natural result There never has
! been an instance Of the setting up of supreme
| government in colony dependency that has
| not been attended with precisely the things that
| we have in Cuba. Congress is much at
| fault. The Administration is not at fault The
| Administration has selected who be-
| lieved to be good men, We went into 1t with
utter confidence. believing that it easy
thing. I voted against the Peace Treaty because
| l believed colonial dependencies would result in
| precisely what has occurred. 1 am glad to
that the Administration is trying to guard
| against it, but I do not want anybody to say
| that ii is an unexpected thing"
| Mr.. Spooner-So far anything l said is con-
| cerned, the Senator's observations are in the
language of Shakespeare. "A bolt of nothing shot
| nothing" We went war to free Cuba
Have done Cuba and the Cubans no kindness
| by pouring out millions of money and she'd
| ding the blood of our soldiers in order to drive
| Spanish tyranny forever from Cuba? Has the
| Senator any suspicion in his mind or in his
| heart that the pledge made in the resolution
passed by Congress to the temporary charac-
| ter of our occupation in Cuba is not to be kept?
THE MAINE SENATOR'S Suspicious.
| Mr. Hale-I have very grave suspicion.
think there powerful influences in this coun-
| try, largely located in New-Yorl1 City largely
| speculative and connected with money making
enterprises, that determined that we shall
never give up Cuba. 1 think that the time will
| tic is done by Congress- that the last soldier of
the United States will be withdrawn from Cuban
soil 1 dc not think the President favors hold
ing Cuba. I discovered very powerful inf1u-
| ences commercial mercantile money and polit-
ical, that opposed to our ever withdrawing
from Cuba. take up the newspape that are
| foremost in the large cities, and / find every
| day ntimations and hints that we are never to
| withdraw from Cuba.
Mr.. SpoOner-If | We're. as the Senator saws
| he is. inclined to doubt for moment that the
| United States Government will seasonabIy with
| draw from Cuba l should be ashamed of the
| Government and ashamed of its action.
Mr.. Hae-That assurance from the Senator
| more than repays me for all that / have said.
| shall count upon him in the future.
PLEDGES TO BE REDEEMED.
Mr.. Spooner-To say that the Senator will
| count upon me in the future is little less than
| an insult. This is o Government of honor and
| it is people of honor. When the Senator ex-
| presses fear that the peoples desire to keep
| the pledge Of this Government will be allowed
to slumber by the voice of commerciallsm he
| degrades the people and underestimates their
integrity. What have done for Cuba? When
since the morning stars first sang together in