The times. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1897-1901, 1900-05-10

private factories would demand what tney
pleased or refuse to do the work. We can
build factory out of the profits on what
we are paying for armyr for the seventeen
vessels and few other orders. In the
event of war with Great Britain. what
could We do? We would be helpless for
armor and must. and we should, build the
factory now.
Secretary Long and former Secretary
Herbert both say and furnish proof that
the cost of producing a ton of armor plate
is $500. They ought to know. as they have
made extensive investigations. The Beth
lehem people were glad to get contracts at
S240 per ton before they formed a league
with Carnegie. We are being robbed, and
yet some Senators say let us keep on
getting robbed. We can't make armor as
| cheaply as can the robbers "
IF we can't turn out material as
cheaply in a Government shop as in a
private shop, why do We turn out the
| finest ordnance in the world at the Wash
ington Navy Yard and get it cheaper than
We could buy It? And We get honest
| work, too
Hadn't we better have a quorum to
| hear these arguments?" asked Mr.. Chan
| der
We'll, / suppose the men who are out
| have made up their minds to swallow the
| thing whole because the committee rec
| ommends it, said Mr.. Tillman.
Mr.. Chandler stated that no quorum was
present. The roll was called, and, with
the additions from the cloak rooms,
! forty-four Senators answered the roll call.
The johnson Shell Test.
1.-The Krupp armor is not one bit better
than the Harvey armor," continued Mr..
| Tillman. ut is only an attempt to cheat
| the Government out OF more money. MI.
! Hale has said that the johnson shell will
| penetrate anything. then why Is krupp
| better than Harvey? l don't want 20 say
that there is collision between the Ord
! nance Board and the armor plate makers,
but refuse to believe the reports Of the
| tests made by that board. i have my sus-
picions, and l will retain them. Because
shell penetrated a nine-inch Krupp plate
on Monday, there was quiet sneak down
to Indian Head and the board comes back
| with report that fourteen-inch Harvey
| plate had also been penetrated
| MIR. Hale defended the Krupp plates,
but stated that he did not see wher, N
the difference between makes OF armor
| affected the proposition to erect Gov
eminent armor factory.
I'VE all know that the Government has
been imposed upon" said Mr. Tillman,
ana some OF us are wlnne 10 Jet .ne
To.e,nnien. REMAIN neipiess ~.
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the construction of a Government plate
factory? Why should we argue this ovel
every year? IL the arEor factories ac-
cept your s445 per ton. how long will II
| be before the factories will demand the
| old price. II we were to have wal
where would you be with the greed OF
1 "a 0Oo 600 To The limited States to get Gu,
Of the clutches Of a corporation?''
we don't want to have the Government
own these plants" said Mr.. Hale 1t is
too much of a leaning toward paternal-
| ism.
as no, vour Subsidy hill paternaIism? -
said Mr. Tillman. you are willing to lie,
| tho fat cornorations milk the Government
cow while The neople nav the taxes. You
1 roar about paternalism but YOU draw the
line as soon as YOU get YOUR Ship Subsidy
hill In line.
Mr.. Perkins argued in favor of retain
inc the comrittee amendment
| Glow can Mr. Perkins exnIain to his
constituents that he favors constructing
navy wards and battieships by the Gov
, eminent vet cannot hear of constructing
a Government armor plate factory" said
Mr.. Tillmap.
There would be no trouble" said Mr..
Perkins
IT.. D,.c,..,on ca,,;nr.
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MI. stewart argued IN FAVOR 81 con-
structing Government arnfor Ilate FAC
| tory
4 Tbara u.. gonna ,r,,noan, In rav.rd IN
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ene i U W De pa,u y" oo'I .,e ia, w,
anu ~. upp pioe M h"s neiu
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uis rosa,!. mr. ihilidh reau Iepoi y
sno"ns .ha. Jun .he iupp anu i;ai
peopie "ouio oe siau 10 give the oniteo
states .ne secrets II Tue government 'ade
.ne Plates ID its own factory.
Mr. mare Sent 10 me aesh s,a'eheh'
RON rear Aunirai " Neii, ohiei oi inc
uieau Oh oruhanee, when eaNe Tue re-
sui's Vi tests hiane Win hrupP ana mar
Vey plates.
| ~ had been determined, the repor'
says, mat armor plate made py the new
hrupp process was the most resisting
ana IL nad Deen therefore aoopted Dy all
the leading maritime nations. 1t had
practically superseded Harvey armor. II
is well-known fact that soft steel CAP
attached 10 the point of an armor- piercing
projectile increases its efficiency to a
marked extent; anywhere, in fact, from
10 to 20 and often to 20 per cent, and all
such projectiles for the United States
Navy are fitted with caps"
Proceeding with his argument Mr.. Till
man asked why If the Krupp armor was
peIetrable. ss4soa ton should be paid for
IL when the Harfeyized armor could be
got at $500. and when the one was no BET
ter than the other. The Naval Committee
he said, was Indifferent as TO whether
any more ba,tleships were built until the
question of the penetrability of armor Wa
settled. For his part he did not want tc