New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1900-12-21
DR.. WISE REMOVED.
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e~e6 behalf rat
for the erection Of said icehouse, and alleges
mar the same was erected by the International
Ice Company. with the permission of the Board
NJ Managers Of the Long Island State Hospital
srs II was distinctly understood and agreed thai
neither the said hospital the State should
be subjected 10 any liability.
william Loeb. the Governors private stenog
rapher, presented typewriter copy Of the con-
rersation held by the Governor and DR.. Wise in
relation to the charges on December 10 and IL.
Mr.. Carr then asked that the trial be post
none6 Until he could procure witnesses
Governor Roosevelt-When I stated 20 Dr. Wise
AIKEN before yesterday and to-day thai renders
i absolutely unnecessary TO have a witness OF any
Mr Carr-so far as this ieehouse matter is con-
oerned here is nothing which shows that there was
tAe - 80 --LS-b 80 = 81 AS
Governor Roosevelt-Wait for moment Mr.
as as1 MADE Wifb eomb5nS 10 witch 10 nave be h an
surrendered his financial interest in that Company
1es ransactons Of The letters. which you saw
you 2oTa-t s os iel.u!ne were SHOWN MIN and It
se was sin writing TO Cameron and Vaughn as
az 6 20 ngoe to have n rs per ean aRG fTg
n the prohts SVEN him and making certain prop
L he cid ching else IN return-when, I say
sie5 70 reconcile il with his former statement he
-od that he was deceiving Cameron and
70 5e frank with you. it is almost impossible for
-lt
such an elaborate and pontless suggestion There
could have been 10 possible object in it and if his
upon ny word il shows an attitude that think
wholly unbeconing any man nj to occupy high
xr CART seems 70 me matter Of consequence
that Dr. Wise should be accorded fair and rea-
sonabe OPPORTUNITY 10 produce evidence which
Governor Roosevelt-IIe. has been accorded not
OILY far and reasona pie. but an ample, oppor-
Pi5s OF NJ Cameron o. M u Vaughn testify eitI to-
At ! concerned with Is what DR.. Wise has
- q & q
rnerts as II what he has done that impressed me.
vaaia show he fact and satisfy your mind Of the
fact that there had been transfer or retransfer of
55ssuTiary interest n this 1natter-
wILFUL FALSEHOODs
Governor Roosevelt shaking his head-Then the
taet would [ea m q as g9ng into s. series Of
understood that he their partner in connection
" YIN 7o1r 5 s8femeat # he has transferred his IN
5s-ssS he kePJ Ihe sfsI 1or certainly
M Garland yet you represent the State Of
ing thar he Interests Of the State are protected
Il seems little near the border line. If as mat
ter Of fact he was not interested in this thing Il
matter Of fact ne had retTa7nsferred the oT-
the slightest degree affect the administration OF the
Office mat ne he-1 -, ,- ..,.
Dr. wise now hss any statement make or -ex-
PLANTATION 70 give IL reference to ms a dn
non Ct his supposed business partners let him
m Carr answered: He has a statement 10 make
n CONGESTION with the testimony Of witnesses that
I vii moi defer the hearing for the witnesses.
replied the Governor He can make the statement
Mr Carr-wIn you permit me TO make. one fur
could have brought about the manufacture Of the
ice for thee hospitals al Ye5g a GGR lS5s RITE
for the benefit Of the state il was question
whether il would produce that result 1t was ex-
perirnetai and il IS pretty hard rule TO apply 70
say mat. because he took up an experiment for
he purpose Of beneAtung the State. and al ne
tine took in contemplation some possible beneht
that ingnl come 70 MN Al me cosG o. rs G-+
h Is 70 be removed from Office. The question is
disazsTgsd his duties as State Official II he has
thsn mere s 40 Cause n Ll-@5 he l f,tre
&c had right 10 take contingent interest in its
Tst So long as the interests Of the state were
nor nor eS5s ny III, OF remaTaf tro ~ a once
GsEsF10r Roosevelt--Let ne get this perfectly
his erTerirerf Of r1atir ice was TO he 4ried and
# he success Of the experiment would benefit the
State. that il was al right for him secretly to
pertinent That is apparently what you mean
lar as I have the power any public oflcial under
ne 70 proceed by your theory that you have enun-
dated
SAME AS BRIBERY.
We need not go on with this. Your proposition
S thst il is right for public servant 10 20 into
dealings whereby he viii have pecuniary benefit
State benefits by il. That IS proposition not
decidedly akin 10 the proposition by which the
oeiVIng what we call 5ribes.
Mr. Carl made no expression Of my ideas from
which II could be inferred that conveyed any such
Tie Governor-You conveyed that. and only that.
~ lalr-Nhat ! meant was that ne MADE ar
recJi5n with he State ceased He was moi 10 be
walled about with Chinese wall in regard 70 every
business enterprise until the time came mat ne
STEPPED CUT Of his Office. He might look 10 the
1T WASH looking 70 the future" said the Gov
ernor II The matter had been successful ne
would have received the benefits from il al once
Ny Carl con I read the transcript IN that way
nel- thar did didn't mean 70 advocate here
any such idea as seems 70 be in Your EXcellencys
something that was tentative and looking 10 the
future when he would be OF Office.
re yofernor-AF. Carr, see, mere Is Wiat nave
feac 70 you from page 80. He says: In the work
- Lofl!leo lCr you, pIptlue1 you aCcsI III
. rendered by ne" And then, further, at the
b recognized rat is in addition to the 25 per
cent basis for the firm. II he 70 receive money
While te was president OF tire Lunacy Commission.
NJ Csrr-Does il not appear in the letters that Il
us WIS 10 Pc carried OUt2
The Gavernor-It appears in the letters that the
M Carl tayer,f 50 read the letters They
ne 5oVerE0T-Do you mean that the labor per
LI.Lel py be STATE IN laying the founoftlon Or
l-at tosr--sl thirteen months ago Is YET TO be
Mr Carr-No. sr. 1 mean that his connection
VITA ft6 business. the event that Il
success his private connection and his . per cent,
q Na5teTer that might he; was al in The future
hclFlcual, be might 90 business Of that kind, and
iag ar arrangement Of that kind so long as it did
10 affect ths discharge Of his Official duties
sol carefully far as understand. your propo-
raen Is that Z the payment 10 him was 70 oe
Eoych he was 70 receive the payment, while he was
1-.ef Commissioner Of Lunacy. ] don't agree with