New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1900-12-21


Commission in Lunacy
ABSTRACTS FROM THE TESTIMONY.
CONVERSATION WHICH THE GOVERNOR HAD
WITH DR.. WISE ON DECEMBER 10.
Albany. Dec. 20 CspecaD.-Governor Roosevelt
after the Wise hearing to-day made public
stenographic report of conversation he held with
DR.. Wise the Executive Chamber on December
70 Below extracts from this testimony
Governor Roosevelt-Dr Wise. the only two
sDDToac6ed with reference to this Copper Hill
Alining Company. Ct which you are president were
Dr.; Macdonald and DR., Seton? -.,o+,.-.
Dr. is all Dr. ha Ms 5oa 10 at Fedo ex
sept that requested loan OF nm al une Whea
thought our private relations were SuGh as 20
OF was in Consequence Of the suggestion or
m that you sITe 9f for fbe stock Vas
not? Al think undoubtedly II was ,,a.,
ave. you wrote s Phillips ron my st9 eek
rG2ts Ta q9t ne eYork gSy gha4ss Dr.
c. ]. Paterson. State Hospital Buffalo, ffteen
ffteen shares am to understand that that stock
was not yours. but stock for which you were Ifus-
Q-Gda T Mckee is she do s Al do nSs
know what position she holds. she is an employs
o9HoW did Miss Mckee know Of this company mp n.y.
A-wel, suppose she knew Of It throngn ,I heT
cousin who was assistant steward at the WIZARD
DO you think it was advisable foT you on 70 eH q
courage ooct9r wno me ar he can and that
he would like to take some more shares if he c91ld
myself If put every dollar could get into it.
e6t to ste tell FIN what my Belief was in property
" oD %9 voa an thi4k it vas proper or right you
gel lot of doctors and stewards to come into this
mining venture L@r0qgn your V He Whenever
have tried TO get these men into It nave tod the
o-Do you know how many supeT Ttnt %eEs
doctors, stewards and employees IKE MISS Mckee
that out and let you know But SUPPOSE ~ there here
do not know anything about,
! Q,-Of those that you know. are there thirty or
| thirty: twenty-five or thirty.
LOAN INVOLVED.
o-How about the loan from DR.. Pilgrim? That
was $1,000, was it not? Ayes
| Q-When was that contracted? Al think that
| Ogdensburg State Hospital
siSner 2t S6st SqFg you AThai o is my recoecton
but would not be sure OF IT, know at that qIn me
shape nad Just taken Dr. McDonal Ids tip and
| $3.50 to DR.. Hutchins DR.. Kidder. DR.. Bahcock,
and " g Han s5eHaTd of the St lawrence State
| Q.-What was the note? A.-The loan was TO the
Ga loan Of $1,000 from those eight men and
| women? Al did not know until this moment that
ii was indorssd bv Ne Fan ~ and NOBODY else
! Q.-Do you think that il was wise or proper tor
! and doctors Of The ogdensburg State Hospital? A
!
Q.-Now. Doctor. you are at the head of this
discipline among these superintendents doctors and
! stewards Do you think that if you borrow money
! DO that without either moral coercion 70 pay or
up afterWard for their own G msconduct AL sup
/ pose as an abtsarct question that IS So "ould
! not do it again.
! Q-Now, in connection with the ice matter, when
! it was begun very. early in the winter I knew
! our object in putting II up was to have that
] so a { 4
/ Cameron and stated that his option to Phillips
and yourself had not expired, and that ne coula
what did you mean by that? Ale had given MS
the State was 10 benefit by this transferred AL
I nv interest in this option TO Mr.. Phillips
/ A,<No; because If had he would have put
! Q.-You concealed it from Dr. Cameron? A
/ Q.-what did you mean in the end of February
when you sent to DR.. Cameron The minutes OF a
Ice Company and yourself. changing the agreement
SO that it should cover the year following that IL
me in New-York and confessed TO me there, what
formerly been a very rich man his means had
now become very low, that he could not afford TO
him for the payment Of these bills. had already
ton as was in the fan He then proposed give
interest think sent you the letter in which
local representative Of the International Ice Com
pany They had sent him here to make demon,
had not the least thing to do with this They
merely said 10 these people. You put up that house
and make your demonstration. and II II is satlsfhc
( tory We will consider it.
ON STATE GROUND.
Oft was on State ground? A.-They gave them
the permission TO make the demonstration on the
State ground
Q.-One of your letters said the labor of the
patients used? Att was used in putting
down the pipe line
o.-On November I3 Dr. Cameron wrote you Mr..
Eaton tells that you would Ike 70 place
number of hospitals the contract with US at the
same royalty and that result would be cur
mutual advantage" DO you remember receiving
that letter. Ayes.
o.-XVhat did mutual advantage" mean? A-Weu
I acting then behalf of the State-mutua
10 the advantage Of the State to this process
without royalty If il had been successful and thew
could make ice at 25 cents a ton il would be a
great advantage 10 the State.
Q-On November o. 1889 you wrote 10 Dr. Cam
eron as follows. speaking OF yourself and Mr.
Phillips: In the work TO be performed by YOU
provided you accept proposition least two
birds Of The valuable part will be rendered by
I cannot. however as you may we'll see. propose
that I receive tWo-thirds OF the returns Il there
fore occurred 10 that II would be quite equitable
ana Just for you to deduct per cent from the
proposition YOU viii make the firm Of s. L.
Phillips e. Co. with the confidential understanding
between Eaton. yourself and me. that this would
revert 10 me your confd =ntial agent and repre-
sentative. ] disposed to believe that you
would consider such proposition dis
cussed the ether day IL / not ele