The times. [volume] (Washington [D.C.]) 1897-1901, 1900-03-24

did not know where one could be obtained,
and could not produce the list for the
committee.
The Bull Pen Prisoners.
question was asked by Mr. Robertson
as 10 whether he understood the bull pen
prisoners were State or Federal prison.
ers. MIR. CLANCY objected to the ques-
ton. Mr.. Sulzer promptly declar-
ed that he was opposed to lawyers,
men not members of the committee, max
ing any objection to any questions. Mr..
Sulzer said: 1T is apparent to me that
the majority of the committee is attempt
ing to shift the responsibility, and to pro-
tect themselves behind their counsel. We
have not asked for counsel. / have no cb-
lection personally to Mr.. CLANCY, but l
am opposed TO the proposition which al
lows this lawyer to protect this witness"
(Meaning Governor Steunenberg)
Mr.. Sulzer characterized the action of
the majority OF the committee as simply
an outrage" and said that under the BIZ
ased rulings of the committee, 1.-THE rec
ord of the proceedings of the committee
had become a farce"
Mr.. Hull said: Il want TO repudiate
right here the unwarranted assumption of
Mr.. Sulzer that the majority of this COM
mittee is on the side of the defence or on
any other side. We do not intend to be put
in the position of taking sides in this
case"
Mr.. sulzer-But you have put your
selves in this position
Mr.. Hull-We have not, sir. We have
done nothing of the kind.
Mr. Lentz said that the chairman had
said that he. MIR. Lentz, was in charge of
~
charge that the majority OF the committee
was on the side of the defence. he was
willing to stand by the record. He thought
that every vote of the majority of the com
mittee and every ruling of the chairmAs
showed that the charge made by Mr.. Sui
ger was well founded. For himself, he was
free to say that he believed that the State
and Federal laws in idaho had been grossly
violated by the State and Federal authori-
ties.
Governor Steunenberg was not sure
whether the prisoners taken in Idaho and
Montana were State Federal prisoners.
At first he maintained that he had not
heard that men were taken prisoners in
Montana. but he finally said that his depu-
ties had been arrested in Montana on the
charge of violating the laws of Montana.
In the matter of the permit system, the
Governor of Idaho admitted that ne had not
written the proclamation putting into force
that system. He was not even consulted
about it, but when the permit system was
put into execution he did not disapprove 1t.
The Permit System.
1t was brought out that the prociama-
ton concerning the permit system had
been applied to some and relaxed as to
others. Mr.. Robertson asked:
Then this proclamation Of yours was
binding upon others and not binding on
YOURSELF" The Governor of the State of
Idaho made the following and most re-
markable answer:
II reserved the right to do as pleased"
Mr. Robertson asked the witness if he did
not know that labor was property and that
no State could abridge a mans right to
sell his labor. The question was objected
to by the attorney for The mine owners
and the objection was sustained by every
Republican member OF the committee,
every Democrat voting that the Governor
should answer the question.
The cross examination of the witness
was continued as to a proclamation which
extended the permit system, which applied
at flrst to the men working underground
and then to the men working above ground
that is to men employed by the mine
companies other than miners. He was
asked whether there was such an addi-
tionai proclamation. Governor Steunen-
berg appeared not to recall that such an
extension Of the permit system had been
authorized, though after some delay and
repeated questioning he came TO the con-