The daily journal. (Salem, Or.) 1899-1903, 1900-03-15
Is the Former Conducive TO the High
est Type Of the Latter?
Question Discussed by tho Pilgrim Broth.
srhOod Tuesday Nighi-will Tackle
the PurIfeatlon Of Politics Next.

A. W Dennis, but Mr.. Duncan being
unavoidably absent from the city his
= place was taken by John Bayne. who
opened the discussion.
lie would answer the question in the
4 Affirmative. He thought that the result
I II war was usually an advance in civil.
\ lation. The world had advanced since
1900 and he thought the advancement |
4 had been brought on by war. The Re-
\ formation brought on wars and civilza-
lion had advanced. The Crusades we're |
4 great wars, and vi hile they had caused |
Y terrible loss Of blood, they had brought
the East aud the West closer together
4 and brought on better understanding
between them and an advance in civil.
zation. The civil war abolished slavery
and lifted men up mentally, morally and
I socially by giving them their freedom.
Even the French revolution taught a
lesson TO mankind. The French had
I lost all sense Of morality had forgotten
\ God. After that drlugo Of blood France
was better than before War may be
aggressive or IL may be defensive. A
defensive war Is justidabe [The speak
or here stated a hypothetical case In
which an aggressive war is justGable,
the case bearing a strong family rcsem.
blance TO the one In South Africa
II must be- admitted that IN war itself
there Is nothing but evil, but II is some.
times necessary. When we reach the !
highest type Of civilization wars will !
not be necessary for the settlement Of !
differences; until then the nations may a
many times be bathed in blood. d
A. w. Dennis opened his argument by Il
obiecting 10 an idea advanced by Mr.. J.
Bayne, that II Is necessary TO whip a q
ihild. His father used to whip him and "
i never did any good only aroused the a.
levi that was IN him aud made him Z
worse. War is not in conformity with 70
the teachings oi Jesus the Christ. lie -
told ~ 10 love our neghbors as our On
'elvcs; but with the greatest composuro w
40 send our sons aud brothers aud hus- an
bands aud fathers to slay the sons, rv
brothers, husbands and fathers Of pa
others. One war sows the seeds for III
other wars. The degradation, the low. NJ
ness aud meanness brought forth by laI
war are most dctesiable. A few men ba
control the desiiniea Of the nations. nu
The ambition Of these men aud the de-
sire Tor expansion involves the nations pa
IN war. War Is the antagonist Of civ. an
,lisaiion II ls a. return 10 barbarism, Co
aud is loalhed by the finest souls.
q. 4. Bach was called upon aud
talked few minutes In hs quaiLt aud
way. These things can be Of 4
looked at from different slandpoints. bel
From Christian standpoint war must
always bo condemned. Still, some god viii
had been accomplished by war. Polyg. he
any aud slavery had been abolished bee
through war; but still men were. by at
'unning, getting their way In the mat. tha
~ OF polygamy and slavery. Indus. cur
rial slavery has Teen substituted for ava
hattclslavery, From scientific stand
'o'nt war would bo considered a good
hing In accordance with Herbert spen. II
r's doctrine oi "the survival Of the ing
itesl'' Hut the spirit Of war 1, ON
a'r"d' aud hatred begets hatred. The the
pan'sh war aroused the spirit In neat
this country and when that war
AS over Ne were not satisfied. ",
'oked around aud saw the poor Pilipino pul.
and that war is going on yet. A asht sons
a light, whether il is two dogs ON the
rect or two nations llo was never in
.yor oi war -
Gid Sherwood said II war was con.
lclve TO the highest civilization lac was
''y sorry II VAS 80, Every ono pro.
lune~l war bad thing; civilization y
As surely good thing; then If
Ar couduced to civilization il
luld have 60 be pronounced good
ns' lie disagrced with the doc.
Inc OF the survival oi tho fttest
one believed In IT, In pmo.
'e' A man never managed his varIen
that principle, or he would plant hi,
eds aud lee them take their chances
Nh the weeds Nhewss It was con. -.
Ant struggle 60 assist the useful growth 'lo'l
bold IT. own. lie thought thero Mas IllA
immn'ahle law for the survival of the lng
test ,n1
H. J. sharp was called on aud smoke ,nj
'Qnenlly and ieclingly on tho negative ",'N '.'
Ie OF the question, receiving round at Il
applause when he closc,l. There an, SloC
eW great aud Fixed principles under. cate
ng human pQgrrss. War l. a sur
.al OF the old harbaric nature. War
'eF contributed one atom TO the al.
nocment OF the race 'Alen moy,
~ad only under the stimulation a.
Eternal Gul," Christ laid down
law OF human Advancement. "rh, the
.'aF'es an the sign,boards of human mon
sFvss Wars were a development oi now
'a'e, and ~ere all inspired hy th. St,n.
. Of gaia, by gUosd, The teachings of Ia" s-0
f's'aniiy do not sanction ,elf d.tens. ol m
he extent Of taking human his' S whiC
ard TO theargums "A that Civil War
l'sl'e'i slavery aai therefore help,d
afd The development OF the highes,
81 CIVILIZATION, ,he speaker rplie .
Nrcat hrltian abolished slavery 4, -