The San Francisco call., 1899-08-20

there was no business going on. The Cen
the spy as an honorable man whose
mamie he. could not give, as having fur
nished military headquarters with valu-
able information.
Colonel Jouaust asked, rs he In receipt
of regular monthly pay?"
General Gense-He was paid when he
brought information.
Major Carriere-We have here two diff
ferent versions.
General Gonse-I mean to say that as
he watched others he was paid his ex-
penses, as we did not want him to be out
of pocket
After the witness had asserted that
while the name of Dreyfus was often
mentioned in the documents in the pos
session of the intelligence department
his innocence was nowhere limited at,
the general then proceeded TO defend
Du Patty de Clam from the insinuations
of Colonel Picquart and corroborated
General MercierS evidence in regard 10
the alleged confessions made to Captain
Lebrun-Renaud. Witness learned, how
ever, that Captain Lebrun-R -Renaud, in
timidated by the cenSure of Nj. Casimlr-
Perier," did not dare to repeat these con-
fessions and gave only an incomplete ace
the prisoners degradation. There was no
truth, the witness said. in Colonel Pic
quarts statements in regard TO MS (Gen-
eral Gonses) excitement January 5. The
general said he learned of the Embassa-
doris acton January 8. The general de-
MED other statements made by Plcquart
and referred to the alleged number OF ar,
rests ordered by Picquart on ''unfounded
charges of espionage.
Considerable comment was aroused by
the fact that, contrary to the provisions
of the law requiring the testimony to be
verbal and without notes. General Gonse.
adjusting his eyeglasses, proceeded to
consult a large notebook and frequently
refreshed his memory.
Dealing with the Henry forgery General
Gonse said: II can say it was already
known. General Roget spoke to me about
1t at least eight days before Henry con-
fessed." (Sensa tion.).
One of the court asked if the witness
knew that a document relating to the
conveying of troops was for twenty-four
hours in the hands of the prisoner, and
if he knew that imaginary sketches exc
cuted by the prisoner had been delivered
abroad.
tive answer to that question.
Are there proofs that the documents
mentioned in the bordereau were deliv-
cred abroad?''
There were no direct proofs, but their
dispatch was certainly announced
Proceeding, witness disputed Magistrate
Bertulus' account of the interview with
Henry but added that when he (Gonse)
handed Henry his forgery, the latter in
sisted that it must not be shown to PIC
quart. (Sensation)
Replying to M. Demange, witness ad-
mitted he had ordered Colonel Picquart
not to concern himself with the handwrit,
ing of the bordereau when he commenced
his Investigations of Esterhazy.
Then" asked NJ Demange sharply,
when you saw his handwritings were
Identical with the writing of the Dor.
dereau that made no impression on you
Evidently replied the witness. the
handwritings had great resemblance.
NJ Demange-The honorable person
already referred to was not In receipt OF
pay, you said just now?
Gonse-The person was not an agent.
He indeed, wished to procure Us inform
alton in and out of Europe. but he con-
cerned himself with agents and his eX-
penseS were paid.
NJ Demange-Do you regard tnls person
Gonse--He only supplied information.
NJ. Demange-Did you not say that this
person had been proposed for tn. the ff cross ;sS'
was not decorated it was because some
one had interviewed to prevent it?
Gonse-I never heard of it.
When Dreyfus was asked the, regular
question he said: Il will reply
dFeG Mearv to the waT Nhc said Sd the he
saw me in the offices after hours. AS
regards General Gonse, | am surprised
that the general officer repeats dinner ta-
bic gossip. There is known to be insur-
one into the Ministry of War, and 1t Is
absolutely impossible for an officer to
bring any one into the Ministry,
! To this the general replied, mo doubt
| it is difficult"
| Colonel Jouaust-No doubt it is diff
! cult but 1t is not impossible. The Minis
! try can be entered easily enough at GER
| tain hours Dreyfus was in position to
know that (Sensation.)
| The prisoner-I will reply to Secretary
! Ferrel. who has told lie. What I have
| to say to General Gonse is that every time
friend came to see me at the Ministry
even when a French officer, / was obl!ged
! to descend to the floor below, and even
members of the Chamber of Deputies
! who called on me could not enter the Min
| istry. 1t was consequently absolutely i'm
| possible under ordinary circumstances for
| subaltern to bring any one into the Mini
| istry.
General Gonse declared that permits
could easily be obtained.
AT this point Colonel Picquart re-entered
! the witness box in order to reply to al
legations as to the way he performed his
duties: He denied a number of General
! GonSes statements regarding the arrests
! the witness ordered
Colonel Picquart also described the ex-
! traordinary methods of investigation en-
plloyed in the Intelligence Department by
Counsel for the defense, after emphasiz.
Ing the fact that even In the opinion o1
General de Boisdeffre there was con.
nection between the Esterhazy and Drey.
fus affairs, asked the president of the
court to request Colonel Picquart to give
inf9rmation info m regarding the 100000 franc:
veillance of Esterhazy.
Plcquart explained how expenditures
were regulated in the intelligence depart
ment. While witness was chief of the
department General Billot. then Minister
| OF War, thought 1t necessary to make &
! fresh distribution of the amounts Of tho
| secret service funds available at the diff
ferent offices, and the funds in the wit
ness department were diminished by So,
900 francs monthly. AT this moment Pic
| quart said negotiations of great import
ance were in progress and an extraord
nary expenditure had been arranged be
| forehand
This decrease in the funds" continued
Picquart, did not prevent me from pur
suing the extremely interesting questions
upon which l was engaged. / made
memorandum. in which l asked for sup
Elementary grant, and 100, 900 francs wer,
given me- When the 100 900 francs was re
ceived General Billot made another re
distribution. In no case no extraordinar,
/ expenditure was made in connection Will
the Esterhazy inquiry. There could no
De an inquiry costing less.
| In a note sent to the Minister of Jus
tice In 1896 1t was set forth that em
ployed as official agents the private de
tectiveS of the inquiry bureau. / onl,
employed single official agent. Wha
led to the belief that l employed privat
! agencies was the fact that this agen
styled himself a business agent on on
on his cards, and this was included in tn
dossier of the Esterhazy affair"
i When Picquart had finished speaking
General Billot jumped UP and asked leav
| to speak.