The Seattle post-intelligencer. [volume] (Seattle, Wash. Terr. [Wash.]) 1888-1914, 1899-02-21
Committee of Whole City Council
to Discuss it Tonight.
OTHER IMPORTANT MEASURES.
CITY Fathers Indulge in Lengthy
Debate Over the Proposed Exciu-
sion of saloons Within Certain
Limft.-T5iul to He Anne nded-First
Avenue Cable Given Time to
show Its Good .1tentfons-

The city council. in prolonged meeting
last night discussed three thiDgs % = "a
public interest tns amended Cedar river
water system ordinance. the exclusion Oh
saloors WITHIN cersaia limits. ard the revc-
cation of me Frs avenue cable railway
franchise. AL three were left IN a state
OF suspense. The railway company Is II
the hands of the corporations committee.
watch Is instructed 20 report back in TWEEN
~ DAYS: while the ordnance hiking saloon
limits was given 10 Dr. Crachton. who Will
report IL back next Monday night, amend
ed.
The Cedar river water ordinance, wAicE
IS based on provisions as reviewed N the
Post Intelsfgeneeg yesterday morning, was
read from beginning 70 end and was refer
red without debate 10 the committee OF the
whole OF the city council. which viii meet
at O'Clock tonight. The ordinance is volu-
min0us and worded with the greatest care.
Az interesting portion Is thai showing the
form OF warrant the city proposes 70 Issue.
AS has been stated II is IN bond form, with
coupons attached. The warrant binds the
city lrrevocabiy 20 the setting aside OF -
per cent OF the revenues derived from the
water system for the payment OF princi-
pal and interest. and the wording through
cut is such as 10 give warrant buyers the
utmost confidence.
An Acrimonious Debate.
The debate on the saloon limits was
somewhat acrimonious. The matter was
brought up by HILL. who moved 10 have
the ordinance previously introduced taken
from the table. Some parliamentary mo-
lions and counter motions followed this,
and the matter finally settled down 10
steady drizzle OF talk. The Importance Of
he matter was fully appreciated by the
cogncilmen. and each expressed MS views
as 70 what particular district should be em-
braced within the exclusion limits. Gill at
tackled those supporting the movement
sharply. saving there had been no SINGER
iiy nor honesty OF purpose on their SIDE
from the first ard tina they had been whip
ped into line By influences purporting 10 be
moral. but really enauaiing from south Of
Yesler way II there were 10 be limits OF
exclusion, he believed they should be
sweeping. and should discriminate in ia
vor OF TO single saloon or hotel bar
NayIn. so far as could be judged from
the great deal he said. was also in favor
Of this He attempted TO tell the council
that the grill rooms ard hotel bars ABOVE
ya.ler way were vastly more lniquttous
mar the dives and beer halls below He
uatje a long speech. Eighty per cent OF
The peopie would favor the exclusion OF
saloons from Second avenue, said NaVin,
If II should be- submitted 10 their vote
4 clash of Wit.
an, YOU believe in giving the people
what obey want?" interJected James,
quietly
Yes said Nayin, when / think they
are right" $50.
"Why didn't you support my sloo IL
cense ordinance. them retorted James
'rhe people voted in favor OF that
because / didn't think il was right.
was Navins emphatic return.
In other words" said James, you sup
port the people when the people support
Won. Don't you believe In our American
institution that the masses should rule?
Dnu't vou think the masses are usually In
the right?"
mo. I do not think they are In the
right" Navin's voice rose 10 a declana-
torv key. The great IDEAS that have
startled the world have not coTie from
The. masses but from the single brain
Of some thinking man. What d!d the
masses say when Columbus told them he
had discovered new world. They
James interrupted; 81 don't know what
they said. Nj. Navin. wasn't there"
The councilman from the First ward
was not discouraged. He reviewed ancient
history ably and succinctiy for some time
longer
Crichton next had the floor With a
flexible index finger he traced I'm the air
ms idea % the area that should be ex-
Guided from the saloon limits. The coun-
ell followed him patiently. Il move that
Mr. CriChton's ideas oe submitted 10 the
council In writing" said Gill. hut erich
ton felt that ne Was making himself un-
tierstood and took a fresh start with his
digit He believed tas bars Of the Hotel
Butler and Hotel Seattle should not be
Included. since they were orderly places.
ana a aar attachment ~ considered nee
.Ssarv 20 th,. business success OF z hotel
IA
tn, limits. James seemed also inclined to
favor the hotels and after the rights 81
thcs" special places had oeeG debated to
the satisfaction Of al} a TnNtiFin Ia refer
fhe ordinance u CglChton sor amendment
carried
T. Is understood that in tho amended
hsll VIII be. % provision excepting from ex-
clusiou AL hotel bars which 30 NOT front
uu nor have an entrance on the street
Il Looks now as though such az ordinance.
VIII receive strong support.
First Avenue Franchise
4 communication ass rva3 from erwin
: shank aak5nE t4at action tn The pro-
p,es-i revocation - She franchise of taa
FYrr Avenue Railway Company h. pess-
poatd fo- Ninety days. Afr Sank
waa himse.t present ana addressed tha
council This vas tie las. day ~ ne
twrnry days prescribed - notice e. the
company before trs franchise weHtl b..
revoked lie said "We have rot
had 'igae ~ - waat W ha4 hoped. W.
pvr5-pNs 90 improve the prosperity We
ask tao couacu 50 Eo en RECORD auI shagv
tt3t wfi.e are doing th.s Re gv.N rot
}.v disturbed I nave tei,ersr1,s ssy5-g ms.
i positive assurance ira ire proFerte v.R
be taken hold - aui pat ia Gue saa..e.
I have engaged Mr.. HAAS. of ths Yesse-
@@y lne. ~ - o>er the Ire an8 raert
wAet - needed Is she way @: improve
Fuetts Within fo@c weeks I can cssfne
before th4z cota~H sn8 shox -aat ee nave
9ou@ tnuggh % convince the members or
ol- good Intentions In Mat have
saa- / at+eve I saiee tAe sentiments 81
the p w.s - $cFsn SEATTLE"
iSnsaa Knapp, repre~anfiu- :he .-.iae-.
= %'uesn Anee hi sa.I, '~C1. people o.,
cEeen Anne ri haHr ennr..t.ln1 -. -