New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-04-18

- Ai don't Know: you olght to know a little
about that
GETS sAUcY AND IS CAUGHT
O-You are on the. Finance Committee OF TAM
many Hall? A.-You we're on those IN 'hose years
o-Not in Tammany Hall? A-No for Roose-
welt.
O-Not on any committee that handled any
money. unfortunately? A.-You have been around
'ne oST these Bowery matters Mr.. Croker? A.
You know a little about them. r.- ,,..
0N Mo- ,s am asnns about receiving contributions
from candidates? A.Ycu ought to know
Q.-You don't know anything about the Bowery'
A9NS particular place rv.bnr about the Bowery.
&c oy Wv You said that the accusation that the
knT What W you We're talking about did Al
didHt say It was wide open .,,.. :, r,,. u,aa
open were untrue. You didn't know what you were
talking about really, did you? Al d'dnt say
a1 o."You Denied that the city was wide open.
didn't you? Al did not; no. did not
0.-I think we will have.to look? A-Being wide
70 oI think we will have to refresh your recoec-
ton on that subject? A-You want TO close II up
tight t., tho nun,,c
pre which UNDOUBTEDLY correct OF tSe n pS
o nswleeethat when Mr. Matthews announced
that the town was wide open, and others ahnoumceo
lions were not true? Al DON'T know. Did testify
- o."You have not testifed.on that point? A.-You
o.-Your interview, not in The world , r but It
the place: lust where I am sitting now.
Odd you then deny that the city was wide
open? A.-That don't remembsr;
Q.-Do you know whether it was or notY Al
Off YOU said ANYTHING about It. you simply ply
spoke in eper about either o sHn way or
other about its being wide open or shut
NO RECORD OF OUTGO. EITHER
o. ask yoai again. as a member of the Finance
Committee Of Tammany Hall. is there any way OF
getting at the facts to who have contributed
and the amounts they have contributed to the or
ganization expenses? 1srefer TO candidates. A"
You 20 10 the County Clerks office and you VIII
get it. .,.,
That is the only answer can give ,,,,
O.-But there are records in Tammany Hall?
o.HWhat is there TO show how the moneys which
they contributed were spent? A-fou have got 10
'oLNo It Is not a question OF their word; they
gave you the money? A.-They don't give me the
o.EThey give your committee the money! Al
have not testified they did did: ,o {. % ~. +reas-
urer. , ,....,
these moneys were spent? A.-The treasurer VIII
o.~Is there any way of showing whether you
received any Of those moneys or not' A.-Not that
o-Do you know, whether there is any way OF
showing? A.mwh l.daIr. any, A-some,,mes T
have; whatever have received have turned over
to the treasury. 1870 -, -
ceived in the way of contributions or assessments.
whichever we may call them. you have turned - over
to the treasurer? Affirmed over 10 the treas
Dto-Do you know whether they have been banked7
Q-Is that so with reference to the contributions
that have been received for election purposes? A.
Of
GLOW much was received in the campaign Of
1895 that is. the Gubernatorial campaign from the
'o...Was nothing received from that railway
Q.-Was anything received from any. one inter-
esed IL that ss Rhow the
election expenses made by the Metropolitan street
Railroad or by persons interested In 1t? Al
o-you never heard that $4,000 was contributed
by that railroad to your organization? Al never
SHIFTS HIS GROUND A LITTLE.
Tho chair1nan-I wish to call Mr. Croker's atten-
ton to the fact that the other day he testified that
moneys that received were deposited In the
bank, and then drawn out few days before cleo
tion DO you recall that?
The Witne~s-Yes sir. did say that they were
deposited with the treasurer and presume he put
it in his bank and then he drew 1t from his own
bank before election.
Mr. Moss-Do you know what contribution was
pany in that campaign? Al don't know that
Or the New-York Telephone Company? A
Not at all. that 1 know Of
Q.-or the Consolidated. Gas Company A
None at all that know OF.
Q-You mean to say that you. member OF
the Finance Committee. have no knowledge of any
contributions being made by either OF those con-
eV q@w you say the same thing about the cleo
Q-What was the total amount OF contributions
received for the election of 1896? A.-That could
os there record that TG SnSw show how
much was disbursed? A-No
9-or for What Al cant tell LIZ you 1o,.r., D..
the election OF 1898? A-Yes; sir.
in the ea ySH % m rom % is'eeo
cann not tell you that from, ono.-,o,aor.,
o~Is there any account of 1T? A-No. sir not
o.-Do you know how much money was received
o.-Is there any way of finding out7 A.-Not
from me, there is not.
from the Police Department for election expenses
in 1898? A-Not dollar, to my knowledge.
GOT MONEY FROM FREEDMAN.
Q.-How is It that you definite with
reference TO the Police Department than You are
with reference 10 the ofice-holders? A-They do
pay.
Q.-Because you know they pay? Ayes.
Q.-But you have no knowledge that the Police
Department does pay? Al don't know II.
OIL mean out OF their own pockets? A.-They
have not paid dollar that know Of
Q.-You swear the same about the election OF
1898? Ayes, sir so far as / know.
Q.-You know whether Mr. Carroll has an ac-
count in the Garfield Bank? Al cannot tell you.
Q.-Do you know what Mr.. Carroll does at the
Garfield Bank daily? A-No, sir. don't.
Q-Do you know what banking business he does
there? A.-No, sir. don't.
Q.-Is he under or in receipt of salary from
you? A.-No, sir.
Q-Is he In receipt OF a salary from the organiza-
ton? A.-Not that ] know of.
Q-You don't know how he keeps up his appear
ance and his establishment? Al cannot answer
for him.
OFT is a question you can answer: do you know?
Al don't know.
Q-You have no Information at all on the sub
ject? A.-None at all.
Q.-You do not think II is a matter OF consequence
that YOU should know the finances the financial