New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-10-26
r9E SHAMROCK TOO WIDE.
.,.prPT YACHTSMEN AGREE THAT HER
prAM BEAT THE GREEN YACHT.
~,,xs WITH CAPTAIN HoGARTH AND 9TH
rR%cUEsTION AS TO WHEREIN THE
cor1-NrR1A Is THE BETTER
BOAT ANSWERED

.oir Archie" Hogarth the skipper OF the
30, shamrock was asked yesterday for the Trih-
.,rcerring the failure OF the English challenger
vns windward work Since the Anal and con
j -oce IN which the Columbia so incontestahls
oos her ability 10 get away from the Upton
vaohtsmen have been arguing as 70 the true
- - the Shamrock's failure in a heavy wind
49,. she had held her own. and sometimes rather
...,- IN light winds II seemed probable that no
.,cspt The msn who steered the Shamrock
ON -scs With the Columbia VAS IN position
-. decisive answer as TO this. and one that
80 serve as the record OF the performance OF
~. host .or the future. Captain Hogarth was
asked -. - ,,1 49,
columbia IN her last racer
-, q question Of pointing but Of beating
.. vsn6aars You call 1t pointing but we have
,hsr name fo- It. All can say is that the
~, uss sailed as high as she would 60 but she
$3.50 not move fast enough when she was pointed
.s high as the columbia Every boat makes lee
o. e,6 We made more than the Columbia"
.,7nAr Won explain the defeat by saying that the
s,sr-o,k made too much leeway?"
VS. that's the way q seemed TO me"
DID YOU see the Columbia when she was out OF
water IN The drycock'
Yes"
Did YOU notice that her An from TO
~ tee longer AL ne way UP and that the lateral
s-ss q, her I'm gave great deal more resistance
- jesway than the shamrock's?"
Yes"
.sTaer how Co you account for the Shamrock
making more leeway than the Columbia
wei +, seemed Ike eeway, but there is another
.vnlsnat.on o. the matter The other explanation
Z. Il, nv own opinion. and I am not giving II away
mere are some things for designers to con-
s64- ouly ssN the boat. and l have nothing 10
An with the designing work. Ny place is 10 DO the
he's, possibe with any yacht that IS given 70 70
sal. and al csn say is that did that with the
Shamrock
CAPTAIN KERR's EXPLANATION.
Some people came up then to be introduced 10
Captain Hogar-h. and the skipper who is never
fond Of talking 10 newspaper men, shook hands
,.ns turned aside He had however talked the
matter ove- more fully with Captain n A Kerr. OF
The steam yacht Intrepid. who present at the
tine Captain Kerr said
Touching the point on which you want infor-
nation think 7 can help you out. because IT IS
6 matter for which no shadow OF blame should rest
Z, Hogarth's shoulders. II the boat would not 60
where she ought 20 have gone. and where the
Columbia went. then Il ought 70 be fully under
e'oos that the fault was that OF the boat and not
Of The man that steered rer. Hogarth and have
oscussed all about this. and he has made u clear
% that he tried everything that was possible
with the boat When he pointed her as high as
the Columbia In that seaway she simply stopped
So that there was nothing else for ~ but 70 70 ahead
IN The only way that the boat would move fast
through the water. he Obliged 70 give her a
te;te~ fun than Columbia receiving. The fault
was not In the steering. but in the designing Ihat
fault whatever II was. was not apparent on merely
looking at the boat and could not have been dis
covered by anyone except through the practical
test Of sailing the boat And even In the sailing
O. the boat in the light airs Of the uncompeied
races the fault whatever II was. DID not come
TO the front In fact. it was not until
the Shamrock got test in pretty heavy weather
that some fault in her design became apparent 10
ayone'
BEAM THE GREAT FACTOR.
In order 10 get tho views OF an expert who sailed
~ ire Columbia W = Scott. the chief officer on
.he American defender asked yesterday the
ZANE questions about the Shamrock He said;
Why. we we're not bothering about that boat on
the return home on Friday. The first tack tod the
whole hing and from that moment we knew she
could not san with US. We took out long eao , I'd
a short time and after that We were Topping along
IN -o siy Oh ss he wSoje out Of The boat There
was no need &c 90 that. The Columbia was 50 lar
helier & boat that We could afford TO take things
Why 90 think the Columbia was the better
well The Shamrock IS very wide. and when you
get 4 boat q that kind over on her side the pig
s;561 On i4' ;sa o,5er hand the Columbia il liner
drawn and simmer oil around than the ShamtOck
irrsb wster s. FAR as ] can soc the defeat Of the
Shamrock solely due to her having TOO much
AGREES WITH Mr.. SCOTT
Another Officer Of the Upton feet who did not
wish his name 20 be mentioned. said that he agreed
with ". scotts view. that the fault Of the
Shamrock VAS chiefly too much beam. lie said.
This IS point which the best designers are
s,il variance though Herreshof seems 10 have
decided that the narrower beam IS the best for
ninety foo,er But Herreshon himself made the
same mistake with the Vigant in giving her
twenty-sx feet Of beam. and he afterward saw hQth
we marrow Naikyrle - ana ne HTltaNl'la 1ca
was that The next Herreshon boat. the Defender,
had ne same beam as the britannia. At me same
lime watson was thinking tneIe was virtue ~ .Ie
American beam. and ne turned out tne NAhlIlt
III with hig beam on her that went far N beat
her E.fe has made he same mistake I'm u" Snann,,
rock After This expect that excessive beam VIII
Fife wou5 have done better t. stick the original
English dea that the narrow. slim. sclentihc
herresn0r proved the same IDEAS with an amer
can boat J mink hat one OF ne hIsl eHpeil-
sic is put in racing trim again viii be 10 try her
WIN a small 1b that Will be set about one-hali oI
IN It seems 20 me absurd. when boat refuses TO
s sn' saI ..sh 10 nave Hgl h IL" q, an VIEW vsn
jh ala us lam, WREN II was stuck out SO far You
Will motto Fiat The forestav Of The Columbia sels
and ,hs, ne forn 3tself much shorter All these
cNcoveres. made now too late. form part OF
wast We os through not having a capable boat 10
came ne AVE. sales YIN ioI I5tt ' me wndwsrd
work and reaching We knew comparatively nothing
~ NE boat tN W got ALONGSIDE ne Doiuin'la'
ne Anerlcan system OF preparing Inc racers ue-
,9ieHanc FOR long time IS away ahead OF our
Usual method English designers think thaf All
.Hey nave 70 10 a. 20 get the craft mapped out on
5e.e' and build her. and then turn her loose IN a
sptsir Matthews Of the Upton steam Yacht
..-tN, SAID Yesterday i cannot say anything about
.s ,shaci cduse ~ fle ShamrOcks defeat because
;ss, ' vaesignine not my business. but I can say
ths' SHogaTth tried every possible means 20 make
~, snaniock head Up with the Columbia, but
IA sFsL olr boat won't point win ne other
sery one IN ne English party Is satisfied that
are no excuses 70 be made.
'''SIbLE CHALLENGERS NEXT YEAR. ;
REPORT THAT A D. CLARKE AND CHARLES
DAY ROSE NAY TRY TO GET THE CUP