The San Francisco call., 1899-01-24

been using this money to help or aid all
the ticket, could you?
A. Yes. When he said he did not think
not need the money, said: Take the
money out there; it will help you, any.
way, and, put it in the. general night.
That is what 1 told him to do.
O. You say now that if you had not
thought he was Grant man you would
not have given him that money, and yet
you say that money was given to help the
weak places on the whole ticket?
a. Well, that is what it was.
O. How do you reconcile your two state
ments; one that you would not have Civ
en- it to him to spend If you had not
thought he was a Grant man?
A. I did not say that. Just go back
and see what l said.
The reporter read the answer of the wit
ness given before.
Mr.. Sanford-You say you knew the $4OO
came from Grant?
A. 1t came from Green.
Q. You knew Green was manager of
Grants campaign?
A. Yes; l think so.
@. You knew this money was to help
legislators favorable to Grant, and you
would not have given it to Jilson had you
A. Well, he could help the Legislature
if he was not for Grant. There was a
Senator running up there that wanted to
see elected.
Q. 1t was like when you wrote to
Clough; you told him that if he was ia
vorable to Grant he could have all the
canvass money ne wanted.
A. No; I guess not that. I said l would
assist him; that is my memory of it
not that he could have all the money he
wanted.
wrote te you that he did not want any
such money, and then, of course, you did
not send him any of that money?
MIR. Burnett-Did Mr.. Jilson ask you
whose money it was that you gave him?
A. He. did not.
ord right, Mr.. Cole. your language to
Mr. Clough was that if he was favora-
BILE to Grant you would assist him. Am L
right?
O. Well, by that meansaoI am right in
the inference, am l not?-you tried to
learn that he was favorable to Grant be-
fore you offered him assistance?
A. We'll, do not know. I told him
that I was for Grant, as said before;
that I was for Grant and that I would
what 1 thought of his candidacy, and I
thought he would make a very strong
candidate.
@. Well. do you remember the. reply
that Mr.. Clough made to you by letter.
A. Well, not altogether
Q. Have you got the letter?
A. No, sir.
A. 1t is in the wastebasket or burned
9. Now will you kindly state to the COM
mittee all that you can remember of it's
A. Well, the substance of it was this:
That he was not going to make any can
vass. and if he was he did not want any
assistance; he could use his own money.
O. Was there any statement In that let
ter with reference to what parties, II any
body had been pledged to Grant?
kind: That he said that he did not think
IL a proper thing to pledge himself any
way In fact, he did not pledge himself,
nor would not, nor did ask him to; but
you know that. And l did not according
to nv version of my own letter. did not
state that any man was pledged to Grant.
@. When you told him these numbers
of people that would vote for Grant aadg you
did not say that they We're pledged!
A. Oh, no, no. Oh, no.
@. Did you use any language from
which he could properly infer that?
A. Well | do not know. | told him l
thought there were forty or fifty men
that were favorable to Grant. OF course,
perhaps. Mr. Clough would remember
this letter better than | do. l Know 10 that 1ht
best of his belief. know MN SO Wen
that / know he is a very honorable, up
right man. s.e,.
any of the statements made by. Mr..
Clough concerning this correspondence
A. No :. really, 1 do not know 6 41 e4t
;actly what it i was would 40 n95 do
not not know exactly what it was. But
1 know that Mr.. Clough sa1d wnat ne
thought was in that letter OF course he
cannot remember exactly what is IN the
letter any more than / can.
@. Did you reply to Mr. Clough an
A. Yes. sir. I think-no, do not thihk
/ did, either. No, I do not think did.
Mr. Sanford-Well, in Mr.. Clough's let
ter did he not state that he was surprised
that you tried to bribe him?
| A. No, sir.