The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-02-23
entered your mind2
No; not until 1

said it.
You have talked with Mr.. Harris2
Repeatedly; about other matters, on
other occasions; yes, 1 have known
him a long time
he is very earnest talker, gener-
ally, and gesticulates? Yes, guess he
is l want to say that l never had
very much experience with Mr.. Har-
ris.
Was he talking in snbdued tone. or
ordinary tone? 1 thinl, he was talking
more in subduec tone. He was talk
1 ing 10 me.
Was he talking as though he didn't
want anybody else TO hear? Well, we
were talking together
NOTHING IMPROPER IN HIS MIND.
You went from Mr.. Harris presence
that evening down the stairs. and hur-
ried on your mission without any
thought in your mind of anything i'm
proper that had been said by Mr.. Har-
ris? Yes. l had only one thought in
my mind; that was to get TO Jackson.
Mr. Cummings-How did you come
to go to Mr.. Jackson with the exact
words of Mr.. Harris, if you did not
think those words implied bribery?
/ wanted to impress him with the i'm
portance that Fisher Harris attached
to the conversation he had had with
Chambers.
What expense could there be in such
an errand as you We're performing at
that time that would induce you 10 say
( this to Jackson? What expense?
Yes? Well, l don't know; you I'M
| derstand the circumstances. At that
time the reason I repeated the Ian
| guage as nearly as l remembered it
was to impress him with the import
ance that Mr.. Harris attached to what
he had said.
| Now, as to the expense involved, why
did you think the word expense would
impress Jackson? II never impressed
me at ALL in any way
| Why did you think that would i'm
press Jackson? 1 thought it would
impress him with the Importance that
Mr.. Harris attached to what he had
said to Chambers, that it was abso-
lutely necessary for him to close the
matter up so that there would be no
doubt and they could count on his
vote at the time, as 1 stated.
| Mr.. DicksOn-You did not in your
statement to Jackson suggest the idea
of bribery to him? No. 1 had no
/ thought of bribery at all.
| Now about this matter of expense.
/ you realized that Jackson might have
already gone home? Yes.
If he had gone TO his home, you were
going to see him that night and you
would have to take a hack? Yes, 1
presume so, or walk.
| You thought a hack would be needed
/ on the previous occasion when o you
wanted to find him? Yes, I think I
would.
Didn't you say TO Harris in that
| conversation, that Jackson might have
gone home or might be home? I can't
say as to that. l cannot recall every
detail. 1 don't remember.
| Mr.. Van COtt-Mr. Evans, you re-
member being telephoned for Monday
| quarters when these specifications
which implicated you We're received;
you remember coming there? Yes, sir.
You remember seeing Dickson,
! Brown, Thurman, myself there, and
Harris, Sloan? Yes, sir.
| Now during that conversation we
asked you what took place between
you and Jackson? Yes.
And you repeated substantially what
you said today? 1 did. And Mr.. Harris
told me to construe what he had said,
and 1 said that it was for this investi-
| eating committee to conStrue.
Don't you remember that finally
F: when this matter of cost and expense
/ came up, that Judge Dickson said, Mr.
\ WINS, what expense or cost could there
be in that connection, and someone said
something about a carriage, and you
said, yes, believe that a carriage was
mentioned, in the talk that you had
with Fisher Harris that night at the
head of the stairs; what do you re-
member about that? As to whether
the carriage was mentioned or sug-
gested by someone in the room: and
you said Yes. 1 believe the carriage
was mentioned"
THAT CARRIAGE.
In that conversation? No, sir The
carriage was mentioned before, in some
previous conversation with Harris
Had he spoken of getting a carriage
to send for Jackson that night? Yes,
he did. 1t was on the previous Occa-
went to look for him; the same night.
4, It was about $50 l should judge.
Van Cott-The evening we were talk
ing with you, did not Harris ask you
in the room, if in the last conversation
you had with him. that you had sug-
! geSted that Jackson might have gone
home, and Harris said. well if so, take
a carriage, and something vas said
about expense, and he said: Damn the
expense. see him anyway" I don't
think the conversation occurred in the
way you put it at all
Well, in substance? I think it was
this way; 1 think he said, at the Ken
yon. Mr.. Harris said. when you were
up here first, you suggested you had
been unable to find jackson and
thought he was at home, and he sug-
gested to take a carriage and get him.
l understand now and understood then
that when he referred to that carriage
on the occasion you speak of, he re-
ferred to that first conversation, and
the last conversation I had, there was
no time to talk, when we left, to talk
! about carriages; although I may have
suggested that Jackson might have
gone home.
Now calling your attention to the
| conversation with Harris at the head
of the stairs. When Harris finally told
you to never mind the expense. to go
on; how far were you apart? We were
head of the stairs.
Do you know Mr.. Hughes2 Yes, sir.
Did you ever say to him at anytime
that you could have got a thousand
dollars of McCune's money if you could
secure Jackson's vote?
Objected to by Mr. Evans. Objection
sustained.
Mr.. Van Cott-Then we want Mr..
Hughes testimony stricken out
Howell-Are you, or were you ever
employed by McCune or his managers
for McCune's candidacy? No, the only
thing that brought this matter up was
as a friend, and seeing Chambers.
Adjourned until 8 o'clock this morn
ing.
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