The San Francisco call. [volume] (San Francisco [Calif.]) 1895-1913, 1899-01-22
Proceedings Of the Investigation
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timOny.
Bulla'S Name Was Brought In by the Statement
That Money Had Been Offered for Second
Choice Votes by His Friends.


l was under sore obligations to him and
that if Mr.. Perkins-it was Mr.. Perkins
wish that Mr.. Grant should be the next
Senator from the southland that if Mr.
kfnS together could have new office
established of United States Deputy Dis
trict Attorney and that the office would
be given to him.
Now, ] am merely relating what hap
pened. This all occurred at the same con-
versation. and the inference was that he
wished me to vote for Mr.. Grant for that
purpose, to assist him, and that this
money would be given to me to assist me-
| wish at this time to say that in this
mater R1a. e / nave no personal feeling against
Mr.. Grant. L honor and revere the name
OF Grant as much as any American citi-
zen does-his father-and that Mr. Grant
personally, at any time that he has been
brought or introduced to mel have never
gone TO him myself-has acted a perfect
gentleman; and Mr.. Perkins it is not my
belief that he-that is my belief-that he
directly tried to influence any one
The chairman-Mr. Perkins?
a Yes; because after the election [
personally met Mr.; Perkins on the street
here one day in Sacramento and I OnIv
talked with him a minute or two
Mr.. Bacon-This thing, it seems to me.
is assuming the character of argument
The chairman-And eulogy.
The witness-You asked me where T
got that inference. | am trying to tell YOU
that the inference was given me that Mr.
Perkins and Mr. Grant desired that; and
eiiet ollOlAiGI consideration would be a
pQsluon Tor my acquaintance, Mr.. Ben
Jamin, and that was all related at the
same time as the conversation about the
money mat is where 1 got that infer
The chairman-At the time you met Mr.
Green IN MS office in San Francisco after
IHe Hlcldent that you have mentioned
wherein you met Mr.. BENJAMIN in your
ONCE, was any reference made to fhe
jamin? W win DeH-
a cir Al
think / was in San Francisco once first
ana l received a card from Mr. Green
ana had that in my pocket when I went
home, and / talked the thing over with
my private secretary, and he told me that
ne wondered why Mr.. Green wanted to
see me. supposing, of course, that nv
conversation had been reported to him,
and he said maybe somebody else was
trying to get money from him on the
supposition that it was coming TO me.
and ne thought it was but just that in
money, or not TO pay any to anybody
else on my account. And the next time
that l got card from Mr.. Green ! went
up to his office and told him in as few
The chairman-You thought it was pos
sible somebody was trying to sell your
vote to Mr. Grant?
A. Yes. sir.
Q. Well, at that conversation did Mr..
Green disclaim any responsibility for what
had been said to you?
A uO0 IIllflk t1at L went into the
matter in detail. AS remember it. it was
just casually mentioned. / wanted to
inform him that nobody had any authori-
~ to speak for me, in any way or man.
ner.
Q: What did Mr.. Green say, if anything
with reference to whether anybody had
authority to speak for him?
A Well, / don't remember of nim say
ing anything.
The chairman-Has the committee any
thing else to ask?
man question. and call his attention tc
question on page 10 of this transcript
in which the following question is asked
and answered: And al this interview
| by MIR. Green or yourself as to the fact
! that Mr.. Benjamin had seen you and con
ferred with you on that proposition" And
the answer to that is, II really don't re.
A. Well, / say, as near as l can state
! I was called in there before the com
mittee without any thought about the
matter-as near as I can remember it was
casually referred to.
Q. Do you remember this question be
! ing asked, which is following Don't yor
! remember that the incident occurring in
| the Suisun Office was referred to in tbs
! conversation in Green's Officer" Answer
| No
A. I believe I do.
Q. You so testified then?
A. It was only casually referred to.
Q; 1t was only casually referred to
! that was not referred to at all?
A. 1t is my remembrance that it wa:
casually referred to; yes, sir.
Q. Now. then. Mr. Anderson, you say
! that in this conversation with Mr. Ben.
! jamin-you give details of that converse,
| ton here to-day that you did not give
! before. in which you say that Mr.. Ben
! jamin said that if Mr. Grant was elected
! be an extra office created and that HI
/ would be the beneficiary of that office
] Now, should not your inference have beer
/ that Mr.. Benjamin wanted you to vote fol-
Mr.. Grant because possibly he might ge
/ something out of it? Would not that have
\ been a fair inference?
| A If he hadn't talked about this money
and that he came from Mr.. Green
q. That is right; but answer my ques
! ton: Would not 1t be "A great deal fairel
/ inference that Mr.. Benjamin wanted yol
| TO vote for Mr.. Grant because he would
] be able to get some employment out o.
| it?
A. Well, my inference was that they
were working together.
Q; VIII you answer my question: i
A Why of course 1 got an inferenc,
that he was interested
Q. VIII you answer my question. II
! YOU did not infer from that that he would
! like to have you vote for Grant becaus,
| il you did and Grant were elected that h,
might get to be Deputy District Attorney
A. / got an inference that he was inter
1
@. You won't answer my question, will
you?
\. | have answered it as near as can
Q. VIII you answer 1t yes" or mo
whether you got such an Inference a.
that?
A Repeat your question again.
Q. The question is this: Did you not ge
! the inference from your conversation Will
Mr.. Benjamin that he wanted you to vote
! for Mr.. Grant because if Mr.. Grant were
| elected he would secure employment IL
! the way of an appointment as a DEPUTY
District Attorney or the Office that yor
mentioned?
A; have. got an inference, yes. along
with the other.
Q. Yes, you inferred that?
| A. Along with the other one.
! Q. Now. Mr. Green, in your converse.
ton with him in his office. did not say
| anything about Mr.. Benjamin being Dep.
uty District Attorney?
/ A. No, sir, he did not.
| Q. 1t was not referred to?
A. No, sir.
/ @. Did not say anything about Mr. Ben.
| jamin's aspiration at all?
A. No, sir.
O. In fact the conversation that WI,