The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-10-20


tour countryInen have given a
1aaenificent demonstration, not only of
LOYALTY but Of sympathy with the OBJ
5ecsS OF the government on the part OF
the colonies. / have been as anxious
Ter peace as any man but the govern
1ient hold that there are considerations
which are even more important than
1'cace and one of these is the mainten-
ance Of equality between the white
races in South Africa In their en-
deaSos' to maintain peace the govern
ment have shown endless patience. 1t
was President Kruger who settled the
ISSUE He appealed TO the god of bat
ties. II 1 NAV do so with reverence. ]
say We accept that appeal believing our
quarrel just"
Mr.. Chamberlain who had spoken
Two hours amid three-dUarters resumed
his seat amid loud and prolonged
cheers.
War Was Unnecessary.
Sir Edward Clarke. CONSERVATIVES
member for Plymouth, said the more
he had read the correspondence the
more convinced he had been of blum
ders in the negotiations and that the
jameatable war was unnecessary For
any minister TO assert that I'VE since
1884 have had suzerainty over the
IransEaal, Sir Edward declared, was
certainly at variance with the facts
and a. breach Of national faith.
President Kruger had had much diff
Guilty with his volksraad and on many
occasions had shown himself moderate
and an advocate Of peace. There was
10 reason why the conditions which
President Kruger attached to the fran
chise proposals should not have been
accepted, seeing that suzerainty was
dropped in 1884. Did Mr.. Chamberlain,
Sir Edward asked, think his reply to.
The Fransyaal of Sept. s conciliatory?
z Mr. Observation-Disclosures
Sir Edward Clarke-Then 1 think this
amendment probed to the hilt (Rad-
1cal cheers)
A brief discussion between Mr.. Cham
berlain and Sir Edward Clarke ensued
respecting the interpretation that
should be placed upon Mr. Chamber
lain's reply, the colonial secretary main
tanning thai the tenor of the reply was
conciliaHory, saying:
I'VE could not accept all President
Jruger's conditions, though we accept
ed ne-tenths.''
Is a Sad Matter.
Sir Edward rejoined that Mr.. Cham
berlain's remarks made the matter
more and more sad. If this sort Of
1hiniy had been going on, the war was a,
crime against civilization. 1t was very
unfortunate that parliament was not
sitting the first week in September, or
the seven-year franchise would have
been accepted and there would have
been no war. Mr.. Chamberlain con-
duct Of the correspondence he charac-
Ierized as most clumsy.
He had given twenty years unsweTv-
ing support to his party, but there was.
Sir Edward continued, a deeper and
1rtier loyalty to party than hlindly go
Ing with it in a division and in the
lobby. and some dsy his friends would
Rczuit him Of 5isloyalty in having
striven to prevent his country from
suffering calamity and his party from
suffering reproech for having en-
hsrlzed on an unnecessary war. {Oppo-
sition cheers)
John Morley, liberal leader for the
AIontreses district, rising to speak, was
greeted with loud cheers by the opposi-
ton. He said.
War For Suzerainty.
"A very material change has come
over The spirit OF the discussion since
The brilliant, eloquent, foncible and IN
answeg-a.ole speech of Sir Edward
Clarke. and 1t now seems as If we were
going to war, not for the franchise, but
for suzerainty. Under the name of
paramountcy we are going to impose
on the Transvaal obligations which the
government would not for the life Of
them dare impose upon any self-goV-
esning colony"
Mr. Chamberlain intTposed: IF We
couid imagine such a case OF q self
governing colony imposing upon a ma
5or-fty of its inhabitants such conditions
as The Beers imposed upon British sub
iects. We should interfere or cut the
connection"
Mr.. Morley contended that in New
foundland was a remarkable case of
alienation of territory in favor Of an
individual, but though that correspond
cd To the position of affairs IN the
Transvaal. Mr.. Chamberlain refused 20
interfere Mr.. Chamberlain said the
cases were in no way comparable.
Revenge and Robbery.
Mr. Morley. .resuning, challenged Mr..
f,hatnberlain TO try to control the edu-
rasional system in Canada as he had
tried 10 do in the Transvaal. He fur
Their said:
II am prepared to justify my vote in
anv constituency which Will give me a
fair hearing. Before a month is past
good sense, love of justice and hatred
Of unnecessary war will entirely JUS
4ifv me: Your former great leader said
he, brought back peace with honor"
tlsries OF "Alajuba.'D
.sThens It's revenge - loud liberal
cheers, Mr.. Dillcn shouting: Revenge
and Robbery,'D
~ regret that so distinguished a man
should have abandoned the traditions
md examples Of the party he formerly
led. / do not desire TO unsay in this
house q. single word L said in the coun-
try Cloud cheers-}
AR. Leonard Henry Courtney. sitting
fof< the Bodnin division of Cornwall in
the liberal interests, endorsed Mr.. Nor
ley. He protested against the exagger-
affon of the Outlanders' grievances,
ard contended that taxation in the
sFransvaal was lighter than in Natal.
Balfour Eulogizes Chamberlain.
AR. Balfour. IN winding up the de-
,,.ste elIlogized Mr.. Chamberlain able
sneeeh p A member crying, butter
hin un a bit" was called to order by
the speaker.
Dealing with the speeches of the OPP
.,csiti,sn. Mr. Ralfour said the defense
sc the Boer government was ludicrous
shnses he declared, were patent to
he v,s,fld. He you'd not say there was
,.eaeon 10 drag in Majuba hill. That
was a very small sctioa, less than half
!, resrfrnert being concerned, and, in his
5raginent, might be aosolutly ignored
is the. present controversy ana IN any
51rfher consideration of tie affairs OF
South Africa
sa.rsata7-v. said Mr. Bslfour, had turned
,,-,5,,z q vast number Of small criticisms
~ nartlc(ilar dispatches. he believed
lao6ers of Dutch opinion in Tho
1901 were determined at all haz-
~ Ia avoid a solution involving q
,l.sare in the existing system of gov
eminent. -. -, ,..
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