The San Francisco call., 1899-01-24

country, like himself, and wanted a man
who was able TO go to Washington as an
orator-that was the kind of man that
they wished. SO / said: "Well, Colonel,
y is true Burns has not gone through
this State stumping it the way you have,
but" l says, ''he is the leader and he is
required at home as YOU need ruler. ana
you see what a success he has made OF this
Senatorial contest YOU will find that he
will get closer to the administraton-l1
he is elected he will get closer to the ad-
ministration-than any representative we
have ever had that left this State, be
cause he has the knack and the ablllty
and, therefore, we will get more thr 1ugn1
him than any man that could pc sent
1 says. ITO show you what klnd OF a
man Colonel Burns is l hear that ne
has put his hands in his pockets ana CIV
en- check for $4,000 or $4,000 Tor TINS
campaign
O. Did you tell him that you know he
had spent such money?
A. No: 1 told him l heard so.
9. Told him you heard so?
Q. Proceed-excuse me.
A. Then he started away from the store
against the pillar. He had his overcoat
and cane-I remember it quite. well-and
1 says: 'By the way, colonel; now, 1
SbfyS bs with T that te pager if nefS they I don't
have" I says: "They have mentioned
my name q nuIlQT6Q llIu6S III lllCAA pap
and never at any time told the truth;
They have lied about me from the time
they first mentioned my name, and, L
says, Il am not going to let up on them.
am one that is going to see 1t through
when the time comes
.. That is all the conversation?
A. That is-well, he says, or course,
have got nothing to do with that, and
he walked Off
The chairman-Did you say to him any
thing about how you heard that Colonel
I1lrOG had in the pamDalRn!
BY the way, how much did you say you
told him was spent?
A. Fourteen or fifteen thousand dol
., Fourteen or fifteen thousand?
Q. Did you say to him that he had spent
A. No, sir; 1 never said nineteen.
Q. The colonel is mistaken about that,
A. He is mistaken
Q. Did you tell him how you heard that
he had spent fourteen or fifteen thousand
dollars of his money in this fight?
q. What fight did you have reference
to, when you said that?
A. Why, the campaign.
Q. The campaign?
o.. o. Did you say to him that you had
heard that he had spent fourteen or nf,
teen thousand dollars in the Senatorial
campaign?
Q. What campaign did you refer to?
-. A. To the last. Governor Cages cleo
q. The entire State ticket campaign?
A. Yes, sir.
Preston by which he had a right to as
sumo that you meant the Senatorial cam
paign alone?
a. Why, not at ALL
Q. Well, were you talking about the
general campaign, or about the Senatorial
campaign?
A. our conversation started with the
Senatorial fight. whether Burns intended.
10 go into the contest or not, and it
wound up by speaking of the campaign.
Q. The campaign at large?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Well, when you told him that you
had heard that Burns had spent fourteen
or fifteen thousand dollars of his money
in the campaign, to what part of the cam
.paign did you have reference specifically?
A. ! told him he had spent fourteen or
fifteen thousand for this campaign by
giving it to the State Central Committee.
1 did not-that is what l spoke Of That
IS what we were speaking about, the
campaign. Re was saying what he had
done, and l was telling what Burns had
done.
Q. oh. I see. Did you tell him how
Burns had spent this money?
Q. Did you tell him that he had spent
it in giving it to the State Central Com
mittee2
y. Yes, sir.
Q. You did?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And when he says that you did not.
he is mistaken then, is he?
a. He certainly is. Now that was the
last words we had before it drifted into
what l spoke to him about the paper.
Q. Mr.. Gunst, do you know of Mr..
Burns having spent any money. in the
Senatorial campaign: as distinct from the
general campaign of the ticket?
Q. Have you heard of his SO spending
any money?
A l have not.
q Do you know, by direct knowledge.
as to how Mr.. Burns spent his money in
the general campaign?
A / don't know anything about it.
with the exception that it was told to
me that he gave it to the State Central
Committee.
Q. Did he tell you so?
a. No, sir.
@. Well, who did?
a Well, ! have heard 1t down town.
I have heard it spoken of at the State
Central Committee that he had been very
liberal-by some one. L seen the state
ment in the paper. In fact l have got
Q. You thought it was. probable, did
you not?
A. Yes, sir.
money? You knew he was interested in
the campaign?
A. I thought he might spend that much
money, because | have known ne mas
@. Do you know, Mr.. Gunst, whether
Mr.. Burns took any special interest in
o the election of the legislative ticket?
A. do not
: Q. When did you first learn that Daniel
NJ Burns would be a probable candidate
for the United States Senatorship?
A l heard it from Sacramento here,
after he had arrived in Sacramento.
. q. At the opening of the Legislature?
-. A. Yes, sir; or just before the Legisla-
ture met, | think it was. don't know
the I'd or Sd of the month.
O. Did you know anything of his SEN
atorial aspirations prior to this conver-
sation with Colonel Burns? CIhe chair
man doubtless meant Colonel Preston)
A. 1 did not. L did not think he had
any.
papers would force him into the hgnt!
a That was my idea, sir. That is
what ] told Mr.. Preston.
o. DO you know what means, if any,
Colonel Burns has used TO influence the
votes of the legislators upon the question
of the United States Senatorship?
A / do not.
Q. Do you know of his having used any
money in their interest at all?
A. / do not.
o. Directly or indirectly?
A ! do not.
n no Won know what influence Colonel