The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-02-24

Why did you think, Mr.. Harris. that
1T was necessary for you TO be alone
with Wins if Jackson was coming over
! whenever he was needed? You have
stated two propositions there that-if
you VIII pardon me-are not exactly
correct. The first is that l have said
that l took Mr. WINS into a secluded
place; 1 have not said that; and the
] second assumption is that l knew Mr..
jackson would vote for Mr.. McCune
whenever he was needed. I have not
said that.
You understood that ne would? No
not particularly; l understood that
when Mr.. Chambers requested
Why did you take him into the room?
/ If l did, in order that we might talk
without being interrupted.
In passing from that room to the
stairway, how many rooms do you pass
through? Come out of the bathroom
into the bedroom. then into the parlOr.
and then into the hall and to the head
of the stairs.
You passed through the bedroom.
pGrlOr and hall? Yes, sir.
You did pass out that way, did you
not? 1 think so.
And Mr.. WINS preceded you, did he
not? Did what to me?
| Preceded you? 1 am not sure: he
may have.
is not that your best recollection? I
| have no recollection upon the subject
as to whether he preceded me or not.
| Didn't he precede you through those
rooms and across the hallway to the
stairs? He may have done so.
J Isn't that your recollection, Mr.. Har
ris? 1t is impossible for me 10 recall
whether he preceded me or 1 preceded
him; or whether we walked side by
side. There are three ways; which
way, am unable to say.
1 viii ask you this question; didn't
you follow him from that room and as
you went through those rooms? don't
recollect that followed him, or wheth-
er he followed me, or we were side by
side.
| What is your best recollection? You
remember his testimony about that.
don't you? 1t was in the papers? 1 did
read it. 1 don't recolIect.
After this conversation in that room
| didn't he get up and go out; didn't he
pass through those rooms? We never
sat down, in whatever room We were.
Didn't you follow him along in
courteous manner until you got TO the
hallway and stairway? ! did it in a
courteous manner, l am quite sure, but
whether 1 followed or preceded, 1
couldn't say.
Do you think it would be an act of
| imagine circumstances in which that
would be proper.
| What is your rule of etiquette? I am
/ governed by the conditions.
| At least you walked with him or
ahead of him, or followed him to the
| stairway. did you? Yes.
Clear out to the stairway? Yes.
That is right? Yes.
When you got to the head of the
stairway, you say he talked about
finding Jackson at the Cullen? Yes. He
thought possibly he might be there, but
suggested the possibility of not finding
him, and the further difficulty of find
! ing him if he was not there.
/ Didn't you say, this, gesticulating:
You go out and find Jackson and get
| his vote at any expense?" Do you wish
me to state as to the gesticulation with
the finger, too?
HARRIS REQUEST OF WINS.
And looking him in the eye? I think
| perhaps l did say find Jackson and find
| out whether he is TO vote with us. That
I is the motion 1 generally make Qndi-
cating).
When speaking of votes? Yes.
He went, did he2 1 think so.
You said get three carriages? Yes,
any number; 1 was anxious TO get that
information.
You didn't think he could occupy
three carriages? 1 think that was
figure of speech.
Mr. NEUTRALITY-SUSPICIOUS. Yes, by
perbOle. That was to impress upon him
the Importance of letting me know
whether Jackson's agreement with
Chambers cOmDrehended the vote on
Monday or not; that was important in
formation; at least 1 imagined it was.
WINS passed on. did he? Yes.
Immediately? 1 think so.
He didn't annoy you there by hold
ing on to you'll think you stated YOU
tried to get rid of him? Have you ever
talked long to Mr.. Wins?
Didn't you say in your examination
in-chief that you wanted to get rid OF
him? If l did. it was true
You say you do not remember
whether he or you led the way? That
is true.
Did they return that night? WINS and
Jackson? No, sir.
Didn't you think it strange, or did
you not2 No, 1 did not.
Mr. Thurman desire to ask you
whether anything was said in the con-
versations with Mr.. WINS about Jack
son TO the effect that Jackson had said
to Chambers, in Mr.. WINS presence,
that Mr.. Jackson might vote for Nc
Cune if his campaign was honest and
clean? Was there anything of that
kind in the conversation or nOt2 1 do
not recollect anything of that kind. 1t
may have been said.
Mr.. Stewart viii ask you, if, at the
time or before Mr.. WINS left you on the
stairway, did you make any such state
ment to him as: Go get Jacl-son's
vote. and never mind what the cost or
expense is?" I never made any such
statement as that TO Mr.. Wins at &cT
time.
Or that in substance? I may explain
as to that. 1 have testified, as you viii
find by the record, and the statement