The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-02-26

headquarters? 1t is at 1O1 West North
Temple street. @
Well, Mr.. Thatcher, / wish you would
tell us all that occurred at the time
and place between you I do not think
l can tell all that occurred.
Can you tell the substance of it?
can tell some of the things There was
some discussion of various matters.
How long were you discussing? Well
it may have been an hour. or even
more.
Do you remember what time they de-
parted? i should think somewhere
near o'clock; it may have been later.
1t may have been a little before.
State, now. as well as you can re-
member, what occurred between you
all. There was a general conversation
on various subjects, to which paid
no attention.
1 mean on the question of securing
their votes for Mr.. McCune. Mr.. Stew
I art observed, as remember, that they
would vote for Mr.. McCune on Satur-
DAY.
Was that the first thing that was
said there; / mean on this subject OF
the senatorial contest? There had been
some talk on that about matters that
had transpired before. think some
reference made, perhaps. to Mr.. Ride
| outs speech on the floor, sometime be-
tween the 18th and 10Th.
Was that speech analysed; talked
over? The impression was that certain
things had been removed from the mind
of Senator Rideout.
! Did not Senator Rideout say that he
didn't hardly see his way clear to vote
for McCune after having made that
| speech in the general assembly? /
heard no such remark.
You didn't hear remark of that
kind? No. sir
Well, is that all that was said there
on that subject in this two hours? That
is all until on or about the time they
departed, and Mr.. Rideout handed Mr..
McCune a letter which, he said. con-
tanned some matters which he wished
10 clear up, in writing. That letter, az
1 remember it, only part of it, was
read, l did not feel as if it was a mat
ter that l was specially concerned in.
What was the subject of that letter?
1t seemed to have some reference to
ecclesiastical influence, that may have
been used
Was the subject of the Heber j.
Grant letters discussed there? 1 am not
certain about that. 1t may have been.
That would be somewhat interesting
as a topic of conversation, would it
not? You would not be likely to forget
anything of that kind? If I did not
ton, yes, sir.
Don't you know anything that was
said with reference to this letter at all?
1 think 1t was referred to, 1 am not
certain.
Is that all you can remember that
occurred there? That is about all. ex-
cept the general conversation. There
might have been discussions on eccle-
siastical influence and there might have
be,an on fhp Grant lot tors
Don't you remember whether there |
were such discussions there? I do not |
positively remember that there was
such discussions there.
SUBJECT OF CONVERSATION.
What was the discussion between you |
on the main matter upon which they /
came? 1 judged from their converse
ton that it was as TO the vote of Sem
ator Rideout and Representative Stew
art, and [ understood from the CONVEX
sation that it was d clearing up of some
doubts in the minds of those two gen
tlemen.
They came there for the purpose of
in your presence and in the
presence OF those other gentlemen that
they would vote for Mr.. McCune? l
do not know that that was the object.
You said that was the first thing said?
That is the first thing. referring TO that
matter, that l remember.
That they met at the house a conSid-
cradle distance from the McCune head
quarters in the presence of you two
gentlemen for the purpose of making
the announcement that they were go
ing to vote for Mr.. McCune the next
day? 1 cannot tell what their purpose
was.
During this two hours conversation,
IAN you remember something that was
said? l stated there was general tall:
along the line Of breaking this dead "A
eek. 1 am telling you ala 1 can and al
know. l remember that there was dis
euseiOn to the effect that this deadlock ]
,ught to be broken. Senator Ridenut
md myself had talked about that be- ;
'ore.
Well, that it ought to be broken in
he interest of Mr.. McCune; was that
he discussion?I think the general ide-
If this conversation that 1 had was !
hat that was the easiest and only ;
evident way OF breaking il.
Did you use any influence at all with
Mr. Rideout to set him to cast his vote
or Mr. McCune?
Mr.. Thurman-We object to that as
immateTial and incOmpe-
eEt.-
Mr. Evans-You make an objection? (
Witnesg-I have no objection.
Have you told me everything that you {
an remember now that occurred in '
hat room during all that two hours ! {
Everything L can re-
member now.
The only thing that you do remember 5
distinctly that was said was by Ride
ut that they intended to vote for Mir Z
IcCune on the same day? l don't I
hink so; that Rideout made that state
nent. Il
Who did? Representative Stewart. :
And Mr.. Rideout acquiesced? That
: merely technical, isn't ii. as to who {
tated it?
And that is the only thing during that !
wo hours conversation that you can
emember now that was said definitely r
o give the language that was used? \
IN that particular point. y
Just on that particular point. I will +
SIX you? The understanding l had was :
hot those two gentlemen definitely .
,ould vote for Mr.. McCune.
And that is the only thing you can =
emember that was said upon that sub J.
Get? l said that Rideout said that it :,
eemed like a good time to solve this
uestion of the deadlock.
That was impaired? Yes. sir. :,
l have asked you if you remember =
nything more on that subject, and it =
SENS you cannot except what you have =
tated; l want to put it to you in this
'ay Isn't it true that Representative =
tewart, either Representative Stewart
7 Rideout, one or the other, said to 9
gu in those presence that if Mr.. Nc
une retained his, twenty-eight votes
Il the next day that they would cast
heir votes for him in order to break .
ne deadlock? / don't remember any "
hing of that sort
You don't remember that at all? No, ?