The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-03-02
MASTERY ARGUMENT.
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70 know if You did make some such
statement as that, you must have some
! foundation for it2 ] am pretty positive
I didn't make it.
You went % there to talk with him
upon that question, didn't you? No,
sir.
You did talk with him? Yes. sir.
And IN that matter was mentioned,
you must have had some reason for
talking TO him on it. l want to know
what was your foundation for making
such u statement if you did make It?
Well, general rumor, l suppose; don't
know anything else.
You did hear something in regard to
it? have heard about the money prop
osition: read about it.
You have heard about it; who tod
you? don't know who stated it; it
has been a rurnor around town.
If lou We're not Interested in Mr.
CannOns election, why did you make
that proposition TO him. or statement to
him? 1t was just a conversation came
up. So far as the statement Is con-
cerned, l don't know that [ said it. He
says that did.
You believe Mr.. Callister to be an
( honest and honorable man? L believe
he is pretty straightforward.
You do not believe he would testify
falsely on that? Not Intentionally: l
do rot
You are not sure about whether you
made that statement or not? / am
positive I didn't offer him three to five
thousand dollars.
WAS ONLY a RUMOR.
Are you positive You didn't say to
him that he could get three to five
thousand dollars for his vote? l am
pretty positive 1 didn't tell him that.
If did l had no grounds for making
the statement; just made it on rumor
about town.
You were anxious that he should vote
for a Democrat? Yes, sir.
And you wanted him to vote for Can
non? Yes, sir.
When he told You he could not vote
for Cannon. did you wish him to vote
for McCune? He thought he could vote
for Cannon.
Did you ever ask him to vote for Nc
Cune? No, sir.
Did you understand this money was
being paid by Mr. Cannon for votes for
him? No, sir; l didn't know anything
about it.
You didn't know who was paying
those sums of money? Ne, sir.
Have you been in Judge Kings head
quarters? No, sir.
Have you been in Frank j. Cannon'S
headquarters? Once
Have you read the Tribune on the
McCune fight and seen the picture of
the barrel. etc? Yes, sir.
Do you think that would be a source
from which you got these runors? YES;
that created talk and people would pass
their opinion as to whether it was all
right or not.
Were you ever in Judge Powers
headquarters? No, sir.
You didn't rely upon the papers for
your information as to Well, as
said before, the opinion of people ex-
pressed as to the truth of these car
toons, etc.
Is that the only thing you heard just
expression as to the cartoons and what
was said in the paper? Yes, sir.
No one has ever said to you that
such influence was being used, money
being used? No, sir.
No one has ever made that statement
to you or such a statement? Not that
L remember of.
Parties may have made such state
ments to you? Yes, sir; may have
done.
Do you think they have? As to their
opinions. No.
Have they ever made statements to
you that Mr. McCune would use money
or had used money TO forward his cleo
ton? No, sir.
Or that any other senatorial candi-
udle uSEu lIlblles nv, Sll.
Have you ever met Mr.. McCune? Yes,
sir.
Talked With him over the senatorial
question? No, sir.
Where did you meet him? Last even
ing.
Is that the first time? Yes, sir.
Did you ever meet Mr.. Sloan? Yes,
sir
Did Mr.. Sloan ever talk with you
about the candidacy of Mr.. McCune?
No. sir.
Did you talk with Mr.. Sloan over the
senatorial question? No, sir.
Did you ever with MI. Christensen?
No. sir.
Did you ever meet any other of Mr..
McCune's representatives? I met Mr..
Greenwood and Jim Melville.
Did they talk TO you about Mr. Nc
Cune's candidacy? Yes, sir.
Did they use any influence with you
TO set you to vote for Mr.. McCune?
Nc. sir.
What did they say respecting Nc
Cune's candidacy? Why 1 don't know
that they said anything of any inter
est.
Did they ask you to work with Mr..
Callister to get him to vote for him?
No. sir
Any of them ever say anything about
that? No. sir.
a SHORT CONVERSATION.
Howell-You said you had a con-
versation with McCune last night?
Why, 1 just met him last night
Tell us what was said between you
and him, and the nature of that con-
versation? l didn't have any CONVEX
sation.
You just met him? Just met him and
he asked me il 1 was the party that
NI~ 70 n a
bribe. l told him I guessed 1 was the
one
What did he say then further? !
don't remember what he did say.
Couldn't recollect.
Was it anything about the truthful
ness of Mr.. Callister's statement? No, /
he did not We were not alone, there |
was ten or fifteen in the room.
How long did this conversation last
between you and McCune? Well, it
didn't last no time.
Mr.. shurtlin-When did you first
make Mir. MeCune's acquaintance?
Last evening.
Never met him before? No. sir.
When did you meet Mr.. Sloan? 1
have known him for ten years or
more
Where did you meet him the first
time during the senatorial contest? !
think it was in the Theatre, in the
hallway.
Did you see him after that? Just |
net him on the street and passed the |
time of day and walked on.
Did you meet him any other time? l |
do not remember any other.
Are those the only times you have |
met Mr.. Sloan since you have been |
here? ! may have met him two or
three times since
Have you ever had a conversation I
with him? Have had no conversation !
with him at all.
Did you see Mr.. Callister at the |
solicitation of any representative of |