New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-05-19

ton to do all we can our effort to do IT, and hope
to accomplish the end
You said so you want our help. A--oh, am not
pleading Ing, for your help
citizen you ought to render It.
Q.-Now; what is there in your Department that
legislation. which Is the purpose Of this COM
mittee? Al don't know that there is any in.
good and competent men. don't know that there
Existing we hnGs c a. we r % or 50 vSs
as myself am concerned and my colleagues. we
Q.-But don't You know, Mr.. commissioner. that
private citizens have an objection TO having 20
prosecuting crime. when they are heavily taxed
to supply the money to provide the men the means
Called deparrment to do tn that WORK don't You
know that? A-Well they don't have to do u;
mighty little time to do it, Only give US the
Information. There are cases. and there haye
have been cognIzant of crime. even themselves
mixed up in the crime. and yet would not go with
us to the courts and make charges.
Q--Mr. Abc. right on that very point. and
think you have all got to admit that you have
this poolroom issue. DO you not remember as
asked Mr. Hess this morning do you not remem-
Der that fully a month ago the attention Of the
this city? Ayes.
THEY SEEM HARD TO PLEASE
Q.-And from the columns OF The New-York
Times there were given to him publicly the
names and the places. the exact information by
which they could go and get the evidence A
Yes. remember.
Q.-What more could you ask? ASK? Why
have It stated in the newspapers a half
dozen times that Aguinado had surrendered. and
Q-well then. you didn't believe what was in
q e 5%F didn't believe HG al az Of 0' that A-No
Q-And becaus, you didn't believe all OF that
article Therefore sj yGq didn't proceed Allow
OIL am asking you. say is that it? A.-well
have been proceeding all the time.
Q.-What 60 you mean. been proceeding? A
also saw In the newspapers THIS statement tna
to ali the
had suddenly closed. and | was glad II Il were the
closed by reason of the Investigating Committee or
Q-Well. did you believe that was true when
Q.-And haven't you been practically convinced
't oRy the Testimony Of men who have been in
the places some of them business men who have
lost their money and others sent to get evidence
any confessed gambler of the existence OF crime
even for the Of investigation
Q.-Are you calling Yourself court curt and jury A.
No am calling myself an hno nyesEator now
Al have been in the Department nearly eleven
months have been nyesgang eUeT snS
that time? Ayes, everything
rooms in the Borough OF Manhattan? A.-No.
don't know IT,
Odd know III A.-1WO nunOrenf
Q.-Yes. Al didn't know there were two hun
dred.
ODD you know there were a hundred? A
There might be- there might not be-
HE HAS SOME Suspicious.
Q.-Now you mean to solemnly say here. a
witness. that so far as you know there may not
be any? A.-There may not be- but have a
strong suspicion that there are.
Q.-You have? Ayes.
Q.-Based upon what? A.-Based upon the fact
r.flf arobI hOrSa
on money cards or women. ,.,,
Q.-And is that the only basis for your Suspicion
A.-Well. It is enough TO go on.
then? A.~oh, yes it does. II t is credible;
of Mr. Cohen. Mr.. Witness. Mr.. Wood and MI;
Harris YESTERDAY was not ccredible' A.-Weil'
Q.~Weli you don't think that four witnesses cor
roborate each other? Alt depends on who the
OF suppose you object to the witnesses Wood
and Harris because they were employed men, do
Q.-Well do you discredlt them on that account?
o.EWouId YOU discredit the testimony OF police
officers because they were paid men. TO go out and
get evidence? A.-That would depend. They are
QHow? Oh. understand Aa oss IRs paid IN
different way Their tenure Of ONCE The ohes
fellows get all they can for a hs t their tenure
It ought TO. / think IT does with most.
precincts where these poolrooms are located de-
bend on their performance CT duty? At
Q.~Does 1t? Al think 1t does. to very large
eI o'"Mr. Abel before an enlightened community
and before intelligent men, do you mean to say
that you have in your mind nothing more than a..
Y% aP%Yofk 'na AWe have been trying to
move the impression by aseertaining Posiuyeia,
what II any, poolrooms exist, on complaint ana
on my own motion and have investigated
Q.-You have nothing but mere suspicion now
Q.0There may be some and may be none? A.
I didn't say mere suspicion. | don't think the
Ralnes law, applies to p0 %bo nad II was Al
said It didn't. in my Judgment
HE HAS NEVER CLOSED ONE.
Q.-Has any pooroom ever been closed up
through any act OF yours. to your knowledge!
A-Well there is one thought was poolroom
and tried to close 1t up and ydpe we coTd
get. We couldn't close 1t up would IKE 10
close it up. -. oa.ox No.
Conne the other day. who said he had succee es
in closing so powerful poolroom as Frank Far.
business and saving: Il have been sent to close
YOU up and you must close" Did you read thatF
You admit cali that credible testimony, did
Won? Al thought he was pretty near sraight.
9We n9T am F We TO no oHve MT as fact
haven't you learned that when the police reat ~
resnrt to the courts for criminal machinery. but
ii is sufficient for them TO go there IN DEAD earnest
O.-Where is the criminal place that dare stay
omen for an hour II II knows that the ponce realiy
mean business? Have you ever FOUND one! A.
Yes
O-Where? A-Found one ,, rs
S-Where? A-Found one, as I recollect. There
may be others Found one on South.st. .r..,,
Alien We tried 10 close him half dozen times.
Q.-And you never succeeded? A' Nm, ana you
O-Is that the against whom THIS year
Ave or six indictments have been dismissed on the
motion Of the District-Attorney? Al don't know
what the District Attorney has done. ne Is not
nv adviser But / was going TO remark ABOUT
,his nooIroom-you asked Inc for an example
o.-Now. that Is notable example isn't II?
O""The" Aliens? A.-No. II was the other one
l VAN Wb ~ is the other one? A.-The in
South-st
THE OLD CK-FOREWARNED.
O-Tell about that. Al was satisfied pool
room a legitimate-not legitimate, but well
equipped poolroom; poolroom Is legitmate-l
was satisfied that well-equipped pooroom was
kth afnr "a