New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-04-15

EX-U-DGE JOSEPH F. DALI.
He informed the Investigators OF the reasons for
Crokers refusal to renominate HIM
ment? A-Well. by securing independent judges
who will insist on making appointments without
reference to dctation.
appointment Of referees to the judges? Al think
o-Do YOU think II is possible TO create board
body OF official referees in order to relieve the
some one It seems to me that the judges are as
NJ judges OF the qualifications of referees as any
o-But as a practical matter; We have, heard
this morning that judicial nominees as well as all
tiers OF Tammany Hall and that the nominees and
sGfs ESo re to- make aH er both
referees and subordnates. in line with the WISHES
a ns n g do you think that the
creation Of official body of referees would re-
testified this morning that referees are taken from
the Headquarters Of POLITICAL 1rganizaaion
ton Of some runors and reports. But have been
always unwilling TO believe It, ! canrot conce ',s
II possible that the province Of the Ju1es sh0n QUO
be usurped. nor can consider 1t possible t h
legal proceedings can ne decently condncteh that
NJ" Mr. Moss-I think Mr. Chairman therc>can be no
That is the fair purport OF the testimony
The Chairman-Oh, ] suppose that Us Ine ony
conclusion TO draw from what mas oee1 S'a'eu
Q-Do you think the Judges should be allowed e
their election toward campaign expenses or upon
any pretext to political non ams
10 have considered II proper because there Is an
expressed in the sa,e y, the tser E rec
spectve political bodies or partiees., suh,sct
to orders or dica;lon under the present system as
we have In New York city? A-Well II Judges can
have s been independent and have refused 10 submit
to dication perhaps Your qnesuon Is AR ~o, not?
Al have given TIE facts.
o.-That you state to he the fact 40 yoa not.
in your own case? Al have given the'iacts eA-
actly as they occurred.
Mr. Moss-That Is all. 49,,
Mr. OiSullivan-I would like to ask thesJudge
few questions.
DIR. O'sULLIVAN AGAIN
Mr. Osulllvan-Do you disagree with Mr.. Peck
ham as to the desirabty OF permitting the Judges
to appoint referees? A.-Wen. heard some part
OF his testimony. but am not quite certain that
heard all that he said that subject dont
knou what system he would have substituted for
the appointment by Judges. Until we hear that II
will be hard TO say which is the best
O.-But you do not believe that Judges are so
subjected to temptation that patronage ought 10
be mon II as patronage have regarded
one OF the judicial functions, the appointment Vi d
that y there can be any question Of temptation In
the matter because the selection Is always i OF
ouired TO appoint certain persons seiecteu ny so,e
body else might say that that Is mo- snoner the
system is ended the better, 81. -. a,o-
,con Of env political factor either district leader
or others? A.-Never. am HAPPY 10 st,e t''a ~
no person has ever attempted 10 dictate 10 me Ill
orHave you ever known your Associate Judges
70 appoint referee at the dication of any political
man a political boss. any one else? a. nave
never heard from them anything OF the klnn ~
reScrees az patronage-as patronage OF the Judges?
A-No. consider when Judge MAKES esr 'a se nR
judicial Office: he knows the man. and he is care
fu to see that he does, am, lawyers in both
political parties practising in this county are there
nSo5!0ther things being equal to ability: hon.
esty and the qualifications Tor retereeS ,ba sams
,oitcaI faith as himself? Al do not think that
that enters into the question Of selection
Mr.. HENRY's REFERENCES
o-But If it did. would it be an unlawful factor
entering into the question OF the merits OF ihe
referee other things being equal as to his ability
and integrity? Al do not think that the question
OF politics TO referees comes up. know" so isr
az I am concerned. have hardly even known the
politics OF a referee whom l appointed snouid
be glad 10 think that that is the course generally,
annoinTed that belong TO some political party. it
must be account OF an association IN 1ne parry
which has~assured the Judge OF the quallhcatlohs
Of the Individual should imagine that was so
of he gave the political preference other
person would you consider that corrupt? A-No
i should think there was any corruption IN
O-What Ia Mr.. Henrys politics.. A.-Demo-
crat He is a member OF Tammany Hall
O-You have given him very large percentage
~ YOUR references? Al would not say very
lyrge percentage ! have continuously appointed
him from time TO time. -
Q.-You knew his political Affiliations? A-Oh'
yes: well.
Q.-And you knew that for great many years?
O-You and nc were early associated in a citi-
| GERS reform movement of kind were you
| rot? Ayes; We were both IN the CGlzens AS
| ISOLATION .,
| Tweed's regime was 1t not? A.-Wel to- endeavor
oDWho nominated you first for the JudIesh!py
Al was nominated by Tammany Hall In 1870. In
the spring election, wnen the new constitution
! went into effect -
o-At that time Mr. Tweed boss? A.-Mr
| Tweed was considered boss was so called. j. how
ever had no communication with him In tise mat
ter as never knew him. never spoke 10 MIN IN
| my life. -....,-..,. ~.
O-Had you ever had any communication with
| Mr. Tweed prior your nomination as judge
| A-No sir: never exchanged word with him.
| nor was | introduced TO him
o.-You never drafted any bills for him. A.
No drafted Dock Department Dill. but l
| think that at the request OF Mr.. sweeney
| o.-And Mr.. Sweeney was intimately associated
| with Boss Tweed Al understood ne was one
| OF the political heads OF the party.
CROKER TRIED TO SMIRCH HIM.
| o-And he was implicated In the corrupt prac-
, tices Of Tweed. was he not? Ais name. as you
mention. was mentioned In all those attacks that
| were made upon the Tweed ring.
Q.-And you never had any conference in the
| Delevan House prior 10 your nomination. Al
| stated that never spoke TO him. l have not.
! Q.-You were selected by Mr. Tweed as fear