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VS. is distinctly in accordance with

SHARP RETORT ON MR.. TlLLMAN'
THAT question Is not before us now. replied MT
Foraker "When II arises we shall meet H. wish
some OF the States that do discriminate were out,
side and we had a trial Of the question now
| Great laughter)
Mr. Foraker then took up that part OF the arsu-
ment Of Mr. Vest in support Of the resolution ~
which he based his statements on the bred scott
decision. He analysed the decision. showing 'ha' d
majority Of the Court did not support the pos'"o''
with reference to the acquisition ana government
OF territory that Mr. Vest had said 1t did, and that
really only one OF the Associate Justices stood
| squarely with Chief Justice fancy IN support Oh
! the full force OF the decision
! Mr. Foraker then made constitutional argument
in reply 10 the points made by Mr.. Vest and MT
Carcry in their speeches in support OF the resoiu-
In beginning discussion OF the speech OF Mr.
Il listened as always do listen. to the speech o.
the Senator from Massachusetts. II was a speech
yr srea b a0 when aG = reduced It only to
this-that the Government OF the United states mas
onal purposes and to what those constitutions a,
purposes the Senator from Massachusetts shaii
| be the sole and exclusive Judge.
A TILT WITH Mr. HOAR
| Mr. Foraker's remarks brought Mr. Hoar out for
O. further explanation Of his position Rising and
interruptng the Ohio Senator. he said
| II we thought 1t necessary for our National de-
fence TO outlying territory. and II the peo
It, should consider the subjugation Of + as great
National crime to be repudia:ed and condemned and
down beneath the waters of the Pacific in honor
rather than disgrace itself by such action
Mr. Hoar said he did not mean to say that great
continent, upon which roamed few thousand saw
ages having no government and being Incapable Of
government should be passed by or that civilization
should stop at its Threshold.
Mr.. Foraker repudiaed the conclusions reached
by Mr. Hoar. las I understand the Senator
from Massa chusetts." he said. the march OF civil
zation ought not to be stopped for lack OF consent
The march OF the French across the Dark Continent
and o. the British to Fashoda IS not then to be In
! terrupted."
Mr. Foraker maintained that the Government OF
the United States had ample power to acquire terri
Hor d not h ana eepy so acqred was ac
quired constitu;ionally.
ONLY THEORIES PUT FORWARD.
The trouble" Mr.. President continued MI
Foraker. IFS that Senators talking about
theory instead Of practical condition. What
have the Senators who have discussed these
theories proposed? Nothing. You all know the
precedents Of the condition we face. We had made
war. and its fortunes had carried us TO the Phil
ppines When the end came those Islands were
in possession What was to be done? -Four
possibilities existed. We might return the islands
to Spain. allow other country to seize or
gobble them up the people Of the islands might be
left to themselves and the anarchy that existed
there. or we might ourselves takes possession OF
them. The unanimous voice Of the country was
opposed TO the return Of the islands to the tyran-
nicai Government Of Spain. In many OF tho State
conventions ringing declarations against such a
course were adopted and one OF these was the con-
vention Of the State Of the Senator from Massa-
chusetts.
Then. I presume the Senator Is opposed 70
that course" remarked Mr. Foraker. amid laugh
THE return Of the islands to spain. resumed
Mr.. Foraker was. therefore. not 10 be cOnsluo
ered hey be left themselves
About the time this question was confrontifE us
naldo and his associates among the INSURGENTS 70
the enect that all the countries Of f"rSpe , w1u.d
| States deserted them at that iuncture. We could
eays those sa9ds dh tie bn mere be 9l tnr
wisely decided against both these courses; We
| emit at least-untr the people Of those Islands are
ready and capable of self-sovernment.
ONLY TEMPORARY OCCUPATION.
The assertion OF the temporary character Of
American possession OF the Philippines created a
stir in the chamber. Mr. Foraker reiterated IL.
We could not desert the people OF the islands. he
said and subject them the risks Of disorder an
! archy misrule and mob rule. while they might
stn be unfit FOR seif-governmen,. But occupation
was not 10 be permanent.
Il don't understand that any one desires any
thing but the ultimate independence Of the people
OF the Philippines" he said. emphatically. neither
the President nor any one in this chamber.
But what about our right II we choose TO hold
them permanently with thought OF their ulti-
mate independence" inquired MI Hoar
I'VE have an unquestoned right 70 do So re-
Piled Mr.. Foraker. Il speak particularly OF our
SJr Bacon asked what difference there was be-
tween this countrys relations to Nuna ana iiS
relations to Philippines. Why the latter could
mer simply holding them now with the declared
purpose Of giving them selfsovernment as soon
rhe case Of Cuba" replied Mr. Foraker. speakiIng
,ne oniv our reatons with spain and the Cubans
| themselves. In the case Of the Philippines there
Of here bu; OF whch senator's w:l hear in executive
session which justified the Presidents course in
piceiy every hing he has done In fact no o,hler
sought 10 attain-jusice not only to ourselves but
What Of the statement about hauling down the
American fag?" asked Ny. Hoar
mo one desires 70 retain n Philipppinsss i 1
dent is as much lover Of liberty, truth and jus
tice Al il the Senator from MASSACHUSETTS, and his
pines as 1nerrinply as his."
/ the American flag is not 10 be hauled down" said
Ny Hoar., does rot mean that we are Re-, TO- hold
believe their happiness he best secured by self
government they are TO be given an opportunity
/ 10 govern themselves
FULL FAITH IN THE PRESIDENT
with the determination Of the ultimate policy
respecting the Philippines" replied Mr.. Foraker.
their feelings will have much 10 do No ono. so
far as am able learn. IS preparing by force and
violence 20 take and hold them. am willing 10
trust the Administration. I have no sympathy
with those who talk Of making war on AGuinaldo
any more than had with those who talked Of
| making war Gomez.
| Thank God for that murmurcd Mr.. Hoar from
his seat but IN voice audible throughout the
chamber
Il repeat" continued Mr.. Foraker. that had
four choices : what should do and affirm
that the President acted wisely 1t is now for Con
gress TO investigate whether tho Filipinos are
capable Of self-governm"nt. and whether they de-
sire self-government. We Will know in a short
time what feeling Of the population of the
islands is. Then We can act integenty. and /
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