New-York tribune., 1899-06-08

{, - has bad in the past calculating upon the press
ur IRE "of Of the he ppes' AYs sir, ...D,,s the Fire
pepartment regularly Informed OF those c0h'''o''
report To the different Offices and shogs OF aHy
changes that may occur either bat a sort as soon
ssoHyo% my We'o often do they report' A-whenever
'ney Don't some of those gates change daily? A.
90 ooHow ier often are they changed? A-The largest
gates haven't been changed In fonr @The small
,gates only when they shut them of to make
repairs and IL they shut them down r 1or nsDaTtmen
three or four hours. they give the rro Dep"'
SALARY are Go,|SHs ySg rsGsSns yaSr MI
Anseyen thcpssno sst siIl dI'a do Mr. Brdsal Is Mr.
Kelly here?
M Moss-Is Mr.. Birdsan stin here? Well. never
mind 49,. National
Meter Company? Ayes sir
o-what meters do you make? A.-Manuiae'u'e
,ss Crown the Gem. the Empire and the Nash
ouave these meters been listed in the city OF
Eswyork any OF them? A-Two OF them were
formerly the list. - -
o-Whieh two were they? A-The Crown ana
vne Nash. r, ,,osn uss
o-When were they removed' A-lhe N"'" "'N
Spft off about year ago, think
O-And the Crown-when was that eit oit "a
That was continued on the list
o-Is that still on the list? Ayes. SIT
o-Do Won know why the Nash was removed
Al do not. T., ~.
o-pid YOU have any talk with any one III ''e
Department about It? A great oeai'
o-What talk did you have? A-Weli' inquired
-, =, uras left off and couldn't get any informa-
tion. , C,h,o,
oL-whom did you ask? A-fsked tne me
6-Mr Brdsall. do you meah A.-les' sH'
DID YOU ask Mr.. Mckay? A-No' sir
o-What did MT Brdsall say? A'-he saio IL
was not in his province -
us,erp A.-on the contrary. he approved |; highly
Dwell what meter has received the preference
within the last year or two? That Is iair aues-
ton and you are answering mere as d -.
compelled to come by the subpoena a. ~
ssa how can tell that. l can't tell what the De-
partment IL doing. .,
n No Won not know what meter has entered
heavily into competition with you, and having an
,rs,aA track? Al don't know from personal
knowledge. .,
oWhat is your general knowledge? Al heard
the Chief state the Thompson.
THOMPSON METER FAVORED
orsn.t that a matter of general knowledge IN
Tho community. so far persons Interested IN
meters are concerned? Do they not know that as
matter Of general knowledge? A.-Possibly that
is so. ,,,,n,-
o-Has your company or yourself had any h'isa-
,,ons with the Thompson company? Ayes SIT
'S Wit u,,qations are they and how have they
,ssn,,ed, Ave sued the company for an infringe
ment of our patents
O-When old you do that? A-several years ago
O-What was the result Of that suit? A per-
manent Injunction was Issued.
ON what court? A-Supreme Court of the
United States.
O-And is that injunction still in force? A-fes'
sir -.
o-Have you given the Department or the city
of New-York notice of that? Ayes sir
o-Whom did you notify? A.-The Commissioner
Of Public Works.
Q-who was that? Was II Mr. Collis! AT
wes before his time l think it was Thomas f.
Gilroy.
o~Dd Won ever speak to Me- Coils about It?
A-No sir; we had no occasion 10.
o.-Did you ever speak to Mr.. Dalton about it'
Al am not sure about that.
Odd you speak TO Mr. Birdsall ABOUT III
Ayes. sir.
about IT, Did you tell him about it? Ayes sir
o-Did YOU ever speak to Mr.. Mckay, first as
sistant engineer. about It? A-No. sir
o-Have you got a copy of that Injunction? A
Yes. sir.
Own you let have It?
(Witness produces a copy OF the inJuncton)
O-Mr Brdsan testified that was the reason
or did YOU say t?-the Nash meter, that II was
not in his province Did he ever tell you whose
province It was in? A.-Wel. understood from
Mr. Birdsan that the Commissioner was the party
TO approve the measure.
- Q.--The Commissioner? Al understood So
VI READS THE INJUNCTION ORDER.
II o-I read from the order OF injunction: AT
stated term of the Circuit Court Of the United
States District of New-Jersey June 20 1894 Before
Hon George NJ Dallis Circuit Court. National Meter
Company VS.. Thompson Meter Company. equity"
Among the various clauses Of the order is this:
at is further ordered adjudged and decreed that
the defendant above named. Thompson Meter Com
pany its officers, servants. confederates workmen
and employees and each and every one OF them, be
and they hereby strictly en1oined and re-
strained from directly indirectly making
OF any water pipe constructed I'm the manner and
upon the principle OF claims Nos 10 and II of the
letters patent. and from any one infringing said
claims in such letters patent or either of them"
Did this go to the Supreme Court appeal?
AYES, sir.
Q.-And 1t was affirmed? Ayes sir
Q.-fiave you list of Thompson meters that are
now being used. did you have list Of them
that are being used in the city OF New-Y York? A
That question is not very clear.
Q-Didn't you have list OF ten thousand
Thompson meters that were being used in the city
Of New-York. Al have list of the Thompson
meters in at the time
Q.-How many were there? A.-Between nine
thousand and ten thousand / think
Q.-So. If you follow your powers under that In
junction strictly, you could those meters to
be thrown out? Ayes. sir.
Q.-Why have you not done that? A.-weli. It
seemed 10 me something Of a hardship.
Q.-You are man of very large business inter
ests? A.-Fairly 20.
Q-You are not dependent upon these water
meters at ALL are YOU? A-Well. that depends
OIL mean to say that you have large business
interests outside OF water meters? Al have other
business; yes sir
Q.-And those interests you have been concerning
yourself with more than you have been with water
meters up TO this time? A.--No.
o.-well in the city OF New-York? AIN the city
Of New-York.
FAIR COMPETITION CHECKED.
Q-Ynu have been able 10 do without the traho