New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-04-15

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Odd he propose that you put money into ~ ~
Al decline to answer that Question saq pu
my private arairs.. ous.,.s 70.
compa1s9 nave X i0' told you that
! OIL am anxious about this. A.-You won't get
anything about this. AFFAIR
h mot don eSne.l IT Is the my sS Of
York. or the people. or any one else ana oec''"e
WHERE DID HE GET 1T?
OIL Will tell you frankly how 1t does concern
the people Of the city of New-york. want you TO
| understand inst what is in my mind in asking
! these questions There time when IL was OH
record that you were a poor man. and you won
| deny there was a time when you weresas poor as
| / am. Al was one day. don't know now poor
| you are You were in the Police Department
o-Yes? And am here conducting this investi-
| CATION and ] am right before you. and you own the
| Police Department now. and | am not eolns r 20
investigation by minority vote Of this city and |
sitting here representing my friends with a p,s
majority vote You have been put out or the Police
! Department by the vote of the people. The people
put you out of the Police Department ana an Ine
! Police Department has thrived and benefited since
o.rBy Mr. Devery? A-By Mr. Devery.
| Q.-You believe in Mr.. Devery? Ayes, sir
Ole is the best Chief that we have had in
| GA better Chief than Mr.. Mccuagh? Ayes.
Q-And he is a personal friend of yours7 A
o,-And a personal friend of yours? A.-Not per-
| Q.-You have been in his house? A.--Never In his
| house. .
Q-You did not enter his house just before he
was made Chief? A.-No. SIR. have got you right
OIL am sure you know, Mr.. Croker: am sure
you know; but did you talk with persons about ms
S Sm ch maae Chief OF lOiiee Al neDe0 '"A'
SESSaS,ty? A ,i.I done a. SGSd could
| Q.--What did you do? A.-Everything could
o.-spoke to the Commissioners? A.-And urged
Odd t you SPEAK to the Mayor? Al don't re-
| member / don't think did. A. c..,.,,as,or-
ers couldn't mo DO IT at 6rst. because there
Commissioners in the Board, Messrs Philips and
l L'l do YOU remember that? Al do.
did you DO to St Ss tm aea'
QBut you did everything you could TO help nm nm
| and ! thought he would be good man, and always
| thought he n good man. ~ ~, c-ou,
Al ihink kU pro dsfIy' Die did before
Q.-You gave him Instructions? A-Yes, there ere
! best man for the place.
DEvERY JUST SUITS HIM
o.-You knew, didn't you. that Mr.. Hamilton and
! Mr.. Philips would not vote TO retire Mccullagh?
A.-No did not.
Q-You didn't know whether they could be In
| duced TO vote to retire him? Al was away when
| the change was maze, ana WAS slau vi IT,
OFT went to suit you? Ayes. sir
O-And you consider you have a large share in
the putting of Mr.. Devery IN that position and the
retirement of Mr.. McCullagh? Al think did:
as being perfectly satisfied with the way that Mr..
Devery has managed the Department? Al am
Q.EAnd do you hold yourself and your party re-
sponsibe for his administration OF that Depart
oNis Your party satisfied with it? I've think
Q.-You are satisfied with 1t? A-Under the cir
o. was about TO tell you. Mr.. Croker, what
lines of thought were In my mind , upon w VIM
and which the people remember, and about whlch
aat iA in which YOU We're Comparatively speaking
a poor man. Since that time it doesn't appear that
Won have held any official position That you nave
been in receipt of any salary that you nave peen
in receipt of any known source OF income ana 10
political organization over which you have large
control as you have eahv man you
are able TO indulge in those things IN pupnG WHICH
only wealthy people can indulge in? A'-What are
o~Waif moment. And the people are inter-
| ested in knowing how you got that money. and
| propose, in as gentemanly a way as possible but
In as firm way as may g navH TO- 10 YsH have
| been reading THE World" Now. let me tell you
Mr. Moss-No no!
Mr.. Moss-stop the witness.
| Assemblyman Hoffman, ask that the witness
| be allowed TO answer u.,o
r.
Assemblyman Hoffman-Yes. you have ...
| The Chairman-Let us proceed in an orderly way way
OF am telling you what I am going 10 do-that
is the purpose of my question. AGO right along
CHANCE TO CLEAR UP MYSTERY
Q-And am going to ask them to give you an
| opportunity Of answering or refusing to answer
denying the general belief in these questions Now,
in line with that will ask you this question: Did
YOU not few years make business conhec-
ten with Ex-Governor Flower? A.-No.
Q.-IIave you not had business relations with ex-
| Governor Flower? A-No.
Q~iIave you not had matters Of common in,
| terest financial matters. with that gehtIendhf
az os Tg not S hrd fPS%er might
speculate in that Office in stock. certain stock sell
| N out on a margin. and go on again In that way.
but viii say TO you that if you want the books Of
orr office for the last years. which you have
been talking about, you can have them and you
can just see what have made. VIII ooHse you
o. viii be glad to see them. Al will show
YOU the books but want to say TO you now that
m O as Te N aong for the las six or seven years
Q'wThat is the real estate business? A-Yes. sir
was -" in a public office: then had none.
Tha we IA wa sree or sU any 0o other
place. am not going to show YOU but If you can
zen nsn % that ha arm aksh a2r T.
Or encouraged It? AOr encouraged It,
either.
ONLY REVEALS A SMALL PART
o.-Then we have this. that you have prospered
more since you left public office? Al think
have
o.-And that was quite some years ago? Ayes
Q.-And you mean 10 say that all your business
transactions and income Is shown upon these books
you refer to? A.-The income. yes. outside Of any
speculation | might have made with my friends
You know Mr.. Moss. you pretty smart
man
Q.-I don't know whether am or not. when you
are here. A..-And | want TO say this: That /
haven't anything to hide al all and II friend tells
me about a nice stock / buy and make a turn
on it, am going to do IT, and have done it, and
there Is nothing 10 hide AT all.
Odd you make considerable money in the
transactions at the time that advising
with Governor Flower? Al won't go any further
into il just give you the general knowledge.
Q.-You said you had nothing TO conceal Al
haven't. but not going into my private affairs