New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-05-20
The Chairman-ws will take q recess until
O'Clock.
AFTERNOON SESSION.
rrrpar MCCARTHY TELLS ABOUT HIS BIG
CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION.

JUDGE MCCARTHY TELLS About his bio
CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION.
Judge John Henry Mccarthy is sworn.
Mr.. Moss-You are one OF the Judges In the City
Court? Al am.
Q.-When were you elected? A.-Two years ago.
Thsi in the election Of 1897? A 5axs called
other judges and intend to cal stu others to a anS
custom for some time. and simply 70 demonstrate
about ' the time Of your election or prior TO it make
a contribution to the political party whch put you
Q.~To whom did you make it? Al couldn't
o.gDo you not recall to whom 1t paid? A
e,-Was IT paid by check? Al think IT was;
drawn? Al do not have only been called last
81 know IT The check was paid. wasn't IT.
Q.-And was returned to you? Al think go
QEYou have not destroyed any checks. have
you? A-As far as know / have not.
OWN yor kindly look for ii and communicate
with later? Al VIII.
O-What was the amount OF the contribution?
Al think It was something Ike 5000 or $1,000; I
am not positive can tell better by looking at
the check.
o-wasn't # more than 5000? A.-Not I
member 1t.
o-Do you not know that contributions
made by friends
O-There was a contribution list made up by
some lawyers wasn't there? A.-Not that know
or
Odd you not hear that Mr.. Joseph circulated
A list 10 secure contributions from lawyers and
other friends OF yours? A.-No.
Q-Never heard OF It? A.-No
Odd Mr. Joseph make contributions for you?
Ale did.
o-And what was the amount of those contribu-
lions? A.-That I can't tell
HIS MEMORY AT FAULT
Q-Do you know whom he made them to? A
That / don't know. or course, as say, only
heard about this last night. 1 have been holding
court ever since. have not had any lunch yet.
Owe will let you go in few minutes. Those
contributions which Mr. Joseph made contri-
buttons he had obtained for you, suppose? A
o.HAnd to whomever those contributions were
made they were made TO the representatives OF the
Ha'"Yes.
o.-And made for the purpose of furthering your
necessary expense that they had to incur in fur
o"9es These moneys that you paid were not
actually disbursed by Yourself for lithograghs ana
advertising and so forth. were they? A-some OF
Q-Then you had some expenses Of your own
Q~And your own expenses, were they limited to
printing and pictures and such things? THAT
and | have always been very liberal in giving out
had 1900 majority. The first time ran for the
Assembly, which was in 1879. / had more majority
than both my opponents had votes. The second
time had all the votes except eight in the district
for Judge in the Fifth District Court. have al
Q.2You have in your testimony connected the
majorities that you had with your berality? A.
o-You think that your majorities. were to some
extent the result OF your liberay? A.-That
don't knoW. o.. ..-.
HIS. IIBERALITY WAS COSTLY.
Q-You figured It that way? A-No. was
naturally liberal. and that is the reason not
in az good circumstances as | might be-
TIE Chairman-Do I understand that these con-
trlbutions which Mr.. Joseph made were made as
contributions toward expenses?
The Wtness-Some of them were.
Q-Do you know what done with the money
which you paid to the organization? A-No.
do not.
Odd you draw a check to Mr. Croker as chair
man of the Finance Committee? Al think did:
] am not sure.
Oft would naturally go that way, wouldn't it?
A-Naturaly.
Q.-What you have paid before contribution
you have paid in the same way to the same person
haven't you? A-No. I don't know as paid IL TO
Mr. Croker but 1 paid 1t to the Tammany Hall
organization. My election was throughout the
whole city OF New-York In each Assembly district,
and had TO do something in each district.
9.YOg have said that your Ibe1 pdrS, has some
o'-And perhaps you contributed to the election
your eSa aay' h'f
know. I have always been liberal anyhow
o. have understood that frsnss loaned ySoa
so? ANO not b that Temew s about that time
yol you oh and 4 since TS"' '"' %
Q.-I merely want to get that in connection with
ooNoihins more than that. because the point
have in IL pd is sa e dS ceoDe
the necessity OF making a contribution being lib
eral. as you put it-may perhaps sometimes nave
| command You have found that 80. haven't your
A.-Sometimes.
o.-sometimes Now. do you think. Judge that
when judicial candidates expected to make con-
tributions to the political party that puts them in
nomination It helps 10 maintain the dignity and the
| respect of the bench? Al think that depends
/ entirely on the Individual know that it has
| never changed me.
| THINKS THE SYSTEM ALL RIGHT.
| OF don't mean that speak about the respect
| that the community has for the Bench the freedom
of the Bench from suspicion or from talk. Do you
not think 1t is an unwise system that expects OF
judicial candidates contributions for political pur-
! poses? A-No. do NOT
Q-You think 4 is all right do you? Al do
Q-You wouldn't have 1t changed would YOU
! A.-WelL might have it changed In some par
/ DIDN'T you think that law prohibiting the
payment of judicial contributions and assessment:
prohibiting lawyers going surety on bail bonds
! Al don't understand the latter part OF II.
| Q.-You know that lawyers are prohibited from
| becoming bondsmen? Ayes, they are.
| o.-And that has been rather help to the lega
| profession. has it not? At has.
| Q.-And has relieved the legal procession from
| insinuations that have been made? Ayes.
| Q-Dcn't you think that similar beneficial result
| would come from law absolutely forbidding judi
cial candidates from the payment OF election assess
| ments contributions? Ayes.
| Mr. Moss-That is all.
DR.. OSullivan-You made contributions whether
| you not candidate? Al did.
| Q-You make them irrespective of your can
! didacy? A.-Undoubtedly
| Q-You believe in contributing to your party's
| expenses? A.-No doubt about It,
I ROGGE TALKS OF SEWER PIPE.
EXPLAINS HOW MCANN. CROKERs NEPH
| EW JOINED HIS COMPANY.
| !. c. L. Rogge