New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-05-17
cratic years. A.-He has always been R.pus.

cratic years! Ale has always been Repub.
ned that he would represent your wishes' A-Ns.
esas. SeS Ssrn dd 70" make any rea'e''' Abe
s9.pls you know he would vote to retire Nc
oT,fhat e what you wanted done' Al didn't
Q-Didn't you want 1t done? Al don't know
whether I ala or not; didn't tell anybody that
o@who did tel him, Al don't know
HESS KNEW WHAT WAS WANTED.
OFT is curious he should have known ~ A.
No. It was not the whole ticket had been dis
cussed in the newspapers.
Q.-That was what was trying TO get you to
sd% little while ago Your interview With
tn dSa the prints that Hs%SR and Philips
long before II happened7 Al don't know any
$50 that the man you selected knew exactly
Know was rba from S fO Dsw On The
oN Mayor was sp0 he MATTE, a q poclroon.
%srs %pen "a al x ~ time that these changes
old you have any tax With Timothy Sui
"t ODD SOI you have t any talk with Mr. Sexton
abou, i? A.n,,NO. I talked with none of them
the Leaders q YOU sos sSns ,Ssx kG SS
dn you let nnySody know 90" '""A '"e' ''
O~While these matters were being discussed In
pf the 'o ors"nIaSton mention the matter 10 YOU
ANehng tina; , was M song to 40 ssn, c.h
to Mr.. Croker in Europe on the Monday prior 70
this transaction Al don't know that he did
'v o-You don't know that he did, mo What
biz ea9 Never T Seara ao G neas
GA cable telling q the in,es ro o sbsrs you
o.-No: / haven't got 1t here A-Give me the
you say you never heard of it in any wa''
oHThen there is no use q giving YOU the sub
stance OF lt7 Allie was his friend suppose
and he wanted him retained
FREEDMAN AS MCULLAGHs FRIEND
O-Freedman was whose friend? A-McCu-
lagh's.
o.-was he? How do you Know that7 A.-That
is what heard
Q.-IIow do you know that! we wouin IKE 70
understand that, Al used to see them very close
DIS that the reason why you thought Mcwu,.
lagh was a coward or faklr as you gay man man
not to be trusted because ne was with Mr. Freed
man. A.-No. that IL not the I reason. Az
know him Intimately; have known him az long
as have known these other people Carroh ! nave
O-Whcre did you know him boy A-Cp In
the Nineteenth Ward; some thirty years ago; ne
o-Yoa didn't know him when he was as employed Dyed
the Bowery? Al didn't know that ne was ever
a grocery store. didn't know he was eyer on ths
Bowery: he might have been though ne was an
accountant In a grocery store on fourtnaye lot a
long time | am extremely intimate with nim and
have a high regard for him; .,... ,s
lie matiefsf Al don't know | may ,o once , in
while have conversation with him don't Know
day and have for about twenty-five years.
see nm at the cab as S to s
theatre with him once in wnhe 20 10 take dinner ns
sunday nights once o in %h y nays been very
Q.~Then your association with him is not ~. ths
chence association Of meeting at the Democratic 10
Club. but you go to his house? Ayes go 10
oAnd this is matter Of daily oecusr ENC, is TT
Q-You know that he is next to Mr. Croker 10 the
h ss ss dSn 60 yopp yon know AN
don't know what his exact position Isl ne Is quito
0ppWhat position does he now hold in the organi-
zation? Al don't know exactly what ne is DONG
now
TALKS PATRONAGE WITH CARROLL
o.-Have you not talked with him over matters OF
appontments7 A-Oh everybody has recommended
people to me, including Carroll
| O-Is not that frequent matter Of conversation
with Carroll? A-Where you sec man intimately
| for Twenty-Five years you talk over pretty mucn
whole fs wth him Thsn you a. mex know oI
| own brother. In fact. see him more tnani 90 SEQ
my oI II nn,nions have great weight with your A.
| I think ne is a man of high character, integrity
and good Judgment MAN ara Won not,
! A. Il have done good deal OF fighting against
them nov ,ov, A.
would not go into organization X II was wrong;
QHave found the organization wr Sss s smSs
you have been in It? Al don't KNOW iney oouu
| not make me do anything wrong .,- - .
Q-Do to have the nsnuat on. 60 1n Sus
may have been things wrong in the says
within the last year or twoG AIne sres With
have been opposed to them great many times.
| don't know whether you know II or not. but sup.
rr~ho
wrong with the Mugwumps They are no sooo'
SNNoows' get let US see Yo had conversation with
Mr. cCuIlagh in which was mentioned the po,ss
81 dD w3S R9fs We're those
| tions pretty close together A.-That don KNOW.
know w mssR saf r Mr. nsy
| phone and told him to come down. mat "an'eu "
o.HHow long before the 10th of May was that'
| AEThat | don't know: -, =. ,,,,u.
Q.-How Icing was II before the rernoVai Oh IiS Ann,
ton and Philips? Al think day or two. doht
N1 oThen on the 10Th of May? A. dnterposins,-
! I removed them on a Saturday morning, .,,.- ~.
Q.-On Saturday morning YOU lemoved fh'lips anu
omADd on that Very same day you appointed Mr..
% o.~And you know Mr.. Hess promptly met with
o.-Promptly acted? A;-Yos. ,,,,.,o
oWhsn did yoT tel m Mr esS StSnk sent Tor
o.-And then he promptly went Headqusrtssrns
ard they had meeting and they retired Nj Mr. Nc
| Culagh? A.-,rheir records will show all that:
| O.-fs that your recollection? A-They nave ave. :
| re,ord there They have minutes. and 90 h ~,
care about giving my recollection. would ru'"e'
| you produced the minutes. -,.,,s
| O.-You have already said IT, am summari..lIns;
your cwn testimony. Is that your recollectlon va
| he promptly went to Headquarters and they nso
meeting and retired Mr.. McCullagh? Al thlhn a.:
| Odd you not act upon II? Al acted on a.
soon as / got II. l tell you that -, ,,rs
| Q.-You acted on the appoint mention the re e.aA
mcnt Of McCullagh on the very day you apponasesss
! Hess? A.-That IL my recollection wouu ra'"'
| h,va tha min So AZ n
| O-You did not make the minutes? A.-No; tho
| Police Board made them. THAI
Q-I am asking for your recollection A-rnss
| r. my recollection. ..oi.
| Other minutes would not refresh your reco'-
lection7 A.-That IA my recollection. 81. 4,
| Q-On that very same day. as you recoIIect, "
Mr.. Devery was made Acting Chief? Awe ha~
to have some one as Acting Chief - cor.