The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-02-28

BUSINESS N-ANCPL lIdts SO0
given US? 1 don't know; am engaged
in great many different businesse!
of one kind and another.
Did you ever engage in the business
of poker playing?
A1r. Dtckson-Oh, We object to this.
Mr.. EvanS-It is a perfectly propel
question to affect the credibility of ;
witness.
(Argued by counsel)
Mr.. Dickson-We object to it as ir
relevant and immaterial and serves M
purpose except the useless consumo
ton Of the time OF this committee.
(Argued by counsel.)
Mr. Evans-T propose TO show by
him that he is- a poker player; THAI h
is a high roller in that game; THAT hi
wins and loses very large sums o.
money by gambling; that is the Ions
and short of il.
(Argued by counsel.)
Mr. Observation-Disclosures the objec-
ton; go ahead.
Mr.. McCune. aren't you in the habit
of gambling, playing poker? 1 am with
gentlemen.
With gentlemen? Yes, sir.
For money? Yes, sir.
And is it not a fact that you have
been engaged in that line of business
for a great many years? No, sir; never
in my life engaged in that line of bust
ness.
How many years have you been en-
gagged in gambling for money? 1 have
been. engaged in playing in clubs with
gentlemen in games of cards one way
and another I suppose pretty nearly al
my life time, since l have been young
man.
You lay large wagers on your poker
games, do you not? Not very large.
Haven't you won and lost at one sit
ting as many as thousands of dollars
at one time? No, sir.
Never have? No, sir.
At one sitting in your life? I think
there was one sitting in my life once
in Montana. where there was probably
$1,000 won or lost, was the biggest
game ever saw.
You know Mr.. Hogle's gambling hall
in this city? l do not sir, no, sir;
didn't know tina. he ran a gambling
hall.
Well, a hack room where people play
cards? No, sir.
Don't you know an upstairs room
Yes, sir; l know an upstairs room.
FEW GAMES AT HOGLE'S.
Haven't you played cards up there
many a time? Not many time, prob
ably six or eight times in all; and it
has been with Mr.. Airs and Mr.. Tom
Kearns on one occasion, and Mr.. Henry
Newell Of Park City.
L didn't ask you for the names Of the
gentlemen? You have been alluding
that it was in gambling hall l was
playing with professional gamblers; 1
never played in a gambling house in
my life.
What is that room used fer up there
1t is used for anybody; it is virtually
an empty room, and if gentlemen want
TO play game OF cards, they can play.
l didn't mean that MIR. Hogle ran a
regular gambling hall up there, but he
has a place there where gentlemen may
go and play poker? Yes.
And be private? Yes.
Where the public is excluded? Yes;
don't know; ] suppose the public is
not admitted into any rooms in the
clubs or anywhere else where you are
playing cards-not to throw the DOOM
wide open TO let everybody in; but |
have played little games of cards all
my lifetime. if that is anything-any
satisfaction TO you.
For money? Yes, sir; it was very lit
tie fun to play for nothing.
For you, that is? 1t would be little
fun for you 10 play for nothing, l sup
pose, because you are not accustomed
10 H. Is ltlaL W Ddl you HIt11i AGl lcLAli-
y, sir; that is what I mean.
On Tuesday night, when you went TO
supper at the Vienna cafe, you stated
that you had some discussion on tho
silver question, I believe? Yes, sir
Can you state what was said about
that question? No; l could not.
on that question? No; l could not.
Don't you remember anything that
was said at all? No.
Don't you remember thai during the
course of that conversation you stated
that you had spent toe much money in
this contest to lose it now? You mean
il the Vienna safe?
Yes. Possibly 1 may have said some
thing Of that kind, though l don't re
member saying it; we were joking and
laughing and talking there.
Didn't you make that remark re-
peatedly 10 n great many people, that
you had spent too much money now to
lose this contest? No, sir. never; be-
cause the amount of money that I have
spent on it didn't ever bother me or
enter my head.
And isn't it a fact that you have stat
ed to a great many people that you
have expended as much as $4,000 al
ready in this contest. and you expected
it would cost you So, 600 or $50 600 be-
y
not that I know of.
You have never made such state
ment to anybody? No, sir.
Is Mr.. Dunbar a very confidential
friend of yours? Why, yes, to some ex-
tent: has been since this campaign has
opened.
You are confidential with him. are
you? Well, not any more so than l am
W.,h several others.
After leaving the Vienna cafe and
going back to the headquarters, didn't
you go into that room with Mr.. Law
a little while? Yes, sir.
And what was your purpose in TAX
ing him in there? To talk with these
two gentlemen in regard to this let
Ter TO this man Barber in Cache valley.
AGAIN THAT CONFERENCE.
Which two gentlemen, Law and Sloan
and Monson? Monsoon and Sloan, yes.
MonsOG and Sloan? Yes.
You wanted Law to talk with those
two gentlemen? Yes, sir; there was no
other purpose.
Mr.. Monsoon and Mr.. Sloan were right
there, were they not? Yes, sir.
At the time you called Nh. Law in?
Yes, sir.
Why did you say to Mr. Law. step
in this room a moment, l want to see
you? Because I wanted him to so in
there.
Mr.. Law ana MIR. Sloan and Mr.. Mon
son were right there; why didn't You
call them in at the same time? Be
cause l called Mr. Law in.
Yes. You gave the same reason about
that practically that you Gid about not
denouncing Mr.. Law: you didn' de-
nounce him when he offered you that
noney-or offered to vote fer you? Yes,
sir,
Simply because you did not? Yes,
sir.
And on this occasion you didn't cali
these other two gentlemen in there with
Mr.. Law simply because you didn't?
Yes. sir.