The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-03-01

way SHOPS, or from the IdiiNdy OiHCS
in Salt Lake.
Did Representative Bywater say to
you at that time and place. Il see your
name is mentioned in connection with
these charges? l don't remember the
language you quote, but l remember
him mentioning something about it
About that matter being used in con-
nection with these charges? Yes, sir.
DID you say, 81 have no charges to
make and nothing TO base a charge on?
No. sir; did not.
Nothing like that? No, sir.
Did you say, referring to your con-
versation with Dunbar, that what was
said there might be open to two con-
structions? | don't remember using
just that language.
That in substance? Yes, sir; 1 be-
lieve 1 said something to that effect.
that Mr.. Dunbar might have been
speaking without Mr.. McCune's author
fly
oh, no; didn't you say that what he
said might be open to two construc-
tons? 1 don't remember using that
language.
That in substance? 1 don't remem-
Der using that language.
That in substance, I say? [ don't
remember it: ] may have said some
thing to that effect, but l don't remem-
Der.
IL you Sdlu SOIllGllliUE ~ Ailtil CiASNN,
that it might be open 10 two conStruc-
lions, what you meant was that ii
might be q guilty or an innocent re-
mark, didn't you2 No, sir
What two constructions did you have
in mind. that it might be open to? By
using his influence with the railroads
to get this invention adopted or that
by furnishing means.
Furnishing means for what? For to
ACCOMPLISH the same purpose.
1 don't quite understand you.
POWERS SERVICES FREE.
Mr.. Brown-There is another inquiry
I am requested to make Of you. Did
you pay Judge Powers as a lawyer for
acting here to assist you today? No,
sir.
And do you expect to pay him? No.
sir.
Do you regard it as his using i'm
proper influence, purchasing you? No,
sir.
Wait a moment; because he comes in
here and gives you his legal services?
No, sir.
You do not regard that as improper?
No, sir.
Why would it be any more improper
for Mr.. McCune TO lend his influence to
get your patent through? Because L
did not regard Mr.. McCune as a proper
candidate, as did Judge Powers.
It is an improper motive or it is an
improper approach if it is a candidate
you don't like, but it is all proper if it
is a candidate you do; that is about the
position you are in? Something to the
same effect.
Redirect examination by Mr.. Pow
ers:
Mr.. Lapish, you may state how
came to come in here, and whether L
approached you to come in?
Mr.. Van Cott-We don't claim there
IS anything improper in the world.
The Witness-I have no objection to
stating.
Last question and answer read
Did you understand that question?
think so, only he should have used the
word candidate you approve of, instead
of like.
State to the committee what you
mean by saying that you considered an
approach made by a candidate that
you do like as being proper If he of1er
improper influences? 1 mean to say
that if was going to vote for a man
anyway, because / thought he was
proper man, that there would be moth
ing improper in him furnishing me a
special train to go down home and see
a dying relative if l was going to vote
for that man anyway, but if wasn't
going to vote for that man anyawy,
and he offered me a pecuniary offer
offered me financial assistance to in
duce me to vote against my judgment.
that would be wrong.
Did you at any time gather from that
conversation that if Mr.. McCune was
elected senator that after the patent
was adopted he would do anything to-
ward securing its use by the railroads?
That was my understanding; the pat
ent was already applied for and paid
for.
Questions by Mr.. Brown:
That was your understanding, but
you have given the language hereto
fore? That was the understanding that
1 had.
But you have given US the language?
The language used, that he would be
glad to assist Mr.. Lapish in prosecut-
ing the invention.
You have stated the language? Yes;
that was the language used by Dun
bar.
Questions by Mr.. Dickson:
You applied for a patent prior to
this and obtained one? Yes, sir.
You know there is Il great deal of de-
lay in the patent Office, do You not, in
obtaining patents2 l have heard that
there was; didn't have great deal of
delay in securing the first patent / OBJ
tanned.
You have heard there is even great
delay attending the application of pat
ents? Yes: l have heard that there
is sometimes delay.
MIGHT HAVE MEANT. I
Questions by Mr.. Sorenson:
You stated that when the invention
was out you thought probably Mr.. Nc
Cune would assist you with money in
getting railroads to adopt it; did you
mean by that that he would buy the
railroads to use il. or how would he
Tl,a N-a1l
gentlemen don't know which one
asked me the question if l didn't state
TO Mr.. Dunbar that-what Mr.. Dunbar
said To me was open to two construc-
tons. and I believe l answered that |
said something TO that effect, and in
explaining what / meant 1 exclaimed
that l understood that Mr.. McCune-it |
might have been meant that Mr. Nc !
Cune would use his influence TO get |
this adopted, OF he might have given |
me financial assistance.
You stated that that financial assist |
anee would be in getting the railroads |
to adopt your patent, as / understood !
it? No: did not so state.
In what way, then, could he use
money as an indIcement to railroads? !
He could furnish money in order to |
have it made mechanically perfect, and |
tested, as / understand sometimes in |
Nenters have got TO bear the expense /
OF fitting out train and giving it two !
or three days trial before it would be |
adopted.
That was the idea you had of his /
using money, in the event he used |
money, after the patent was out? |
Would be to assist in my realizing on |
this invention. either by influence or /
money. That was the understanding |
] had.
You may state whether it is also nee
essary to have money to advertise it.