New-York tribune., 1899-05-18


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LICENSE GIVEN WHILE BILL WAS UNPAID
Q.-But the most important fact is. as see it,
that you voted for their license while that bill
unpaid? A.-Yes. sir
Q.-And while that suit was pending? Ayes
sir.
| Q.-And that they confessed allowed Judgment
to be entered, which was not paid Until @ after % you
ressed Judgment while was on the Board; think
o-The Mayor also told about conversation
which he had with you regaTding your conduct o as
Versation io with the Mayor ~ Al do
Q.-where was 1t? An the private office. the
Q.-Piease state exactly ali that was said. A
| The Mayor called up Friday or Saturday morn
his office about 10 o clock. said would be there
got there about 70 oeock and the ma Mayer prS Tas 15
by a messenger there that ] was there, ana ne
the middle Of the long table there and he said
understand you wont vote Tor the piass ansse M o.
not So. Mr. Mayor" He said: what did you say"
! said that when that resolution was introduced
asking for the transfer Of Captain heriiny re- re-
fused TO vote for IT, because the CSmmssonels d mac
no power TO order any transfer That was ths u.S y
OF the Chief He said: How do you know that
the charter and asked me to point 1t out poiteu d
out the section. but he didn't look al IT, he salu
saG "a 9oGt n know He sad How many cap
tsns are aspuOlicans'" / said Il don't know now nov
tending to my duties a Police COMMISSIONS ana
don't know the politics OF any mn man a m ner 'ne
said: IF there are 30 per cent Republicans there
ss is e0ndon no reapons ha5 or He SAID
THAT is all I have 10 say 10 you" And left
PLATT's NAME MENTIONED.
Q.-Do you mean to say that there was no men
tion of the names OF Senator Platt or Mr. Quigg In
that conversation? A.-Only himself. on by the
way. I said: In the second place. was put there
as the representative Of the Republican party In
bipartisan Board" said: ''n the first place. the
charter says that the Chief shall make these trans
O resolution OF that kind had come up ana "ans "anHSs
ed TO consult the leaders OF my po psrE III sen ln
who do you consult as the leaders? said' sen
Q-That was ali that was said? A--That was all
that was said. There was threat Of removal or
anything esc-never mentioned IT, ,~,,us.s
warning YOU not TO ask FOR any transfers or pro-
motions in the force? Al remember him "arnins
Q-what gave rise for the occasion Of that wa warn
ing That was the fTst d9Han few 3ays yeaes T csm me
to me for the transfer Of patromen sent IoiS iSl
ing about police business: this Is entirely new 70
me and requests have come TO me for Transfers,
YOU to be honest with me. Where make request
to you for a transfer want you to he honest TltH M
You have been in the Police Department ana SnO%
the entire d abs ws5t YOU to be frank with me
when / make request for transfer W4n' q - PA
dyr 9 te4 Hamfton1n mn he called me Commissioner"-
he said ''Mr Commissioner. / want 10 say TO you
or sergeant for anybody this city and he SAID
Don't ask me and never asked 1t nm he Pnics
Department.
HIS HANDS WERE NOT TIED.
| Q-Was Mr.. McCullagh a captain or the Chief
| of Police when that conversation occurred? A
| He was Acting Chief l believe. Mr.. McCullagh.
| O-Wlth the rank OF captain he Acting Chief
! is not that a fact? A.-That I couldn't say Mr
| O'Suvan l would like to answer that because
! O-You were a member of the Board Of Police
! Commissioners at that time, you not? A
| That was the first two or three days. He wasn't
" met the nrst day and made him Acting Chief.
! O-You we're on the Board that promoted him
from captain 10 Chief were you not? 40, sir
| Q-That was before your time? A.-That was be-
Did You consult with the leaders of your
party previous TO having that conversation with
! Mr. McCullagh with regard 10 transfers and pro-
/ motions? A.-No. sir did not -
| O-Yet as / understand your testimony now. MI
! wouldn't take any action as kepHohGGan, rohces
Commissioner without consulting the leaders OF
! lion was concerned II was the first time resou-
ton OF that knd % 9aq cdS 1een on the Board was con-
! cerned: had no understanding with anyoody
! didn't know TO be member Of that Board
! until the Saturday morning at Y o'clock when
was sworn in. Nobody told me was 10 oe a mem m
ber Of the Board. simply went down seeing my
! ned had been appointed member Of the Board
NoLThen YOU hadn't consulted with the leaders Of
40 "a NWbv did YOU think it necessary 10
| ,bS Navor that YOU would have 20 do as you
had never done so up TO that coavsrsatloh. % a q
Su M3y d9 6l II that A kind ffy had 0ms Rs FS %
Q.-And you would take your lnsIuclons rom
poTtance? A-On that one particular thing felt
ought TO be advised by the
DID NOT KNOW TCULLAGH's POLITICS.
| o-When you had your conversation with Mr.
McCunagh you knew you were talking with regu-
lar Republican? A.-No, did not. dldnt Know
| the politics of Mr.. McCullash
O-You didn't know his politics? A-No. l did
nSS. nSoS.-Do you know his politics now? A.-No can't
say / do imagine MI McCullaeh - d i'epuo'lc"H'
con ,, KpoM egpsrd 70 he Casino people the dispute
,~r.lstion 10 YOUR claim against those people oc-
CURED while you were Police Con C3nmiss9ner @ d'd IT
mSntHS SnYes se'0 There was no promise given during
voxr holding the Office OF Police Commissioner tow
ard the settlement Of that bill? A-No' sir, not
70 owas me # given to any member of the firm? A.
oDont you know that II was in consequence ,s i GO OF
prorlise given by those people that Ihsy got tnen
license. Mr Hamilton? A.-No sir DO not ana
~as ~ascd~ld mid # have occurred without your knowl-
edSe? A~Yes it could have because paid very
htvIr MT SosnIliyan-That is all .- -. t,ou.
Mr Moss-I understand your testimony 1dr. Ham HAM
,ba matter wanted 10 consult
shout was the principle embodied IN me boara OF
Police Commlssoners 10 pass attsr which under
the law belonged TO the Chief OF Police that you
dasired 10 consult with your political ADVISERS cJn-
ceTnne the policy OF the Board Of Police attemPt-
ing 70 coerce the Chief Of Police IN matteIs ~nich
he7onged TO him? A.-Belonged 10 the Chei OF
Police. ,, ,,a-a m, discussing with
any party the matter OF Cap'ai" Hei'"' " '"' -
oiylusi a. Ta,her The principle involved in permit
,ng ~ members OF a bipartisan Board 10 dictate
10 The chief Of Police A-That was IL, ho ,,oo-s
NoMAnd was that clearly stated 70 the Mayor
VI 1tjn., state II a. clearly as you state 1t now
o-Was II clearly enough stated 10 him 70 MAKE
him understand that IL was the principie you w.
Interested in and not the individual? Al lmaglhe
n wea / wasn't interested In captain hernhy'
never saw him but once in my recollecton
q You have given the whole or the coNVersa-
ton with the Mayor? A-The wnoie OF TIC oon-