Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1899-02-21
Judge Dickson Subjects the Wit
ness TO Some Critical Tests.
THE WITNESS Is sHREwD.
ue Doe. Not Remember Exact words,
but Recalls the substance Of
what Wa. said.

Ing. The questions following were put
by the attorney. the answers are the
words Of the witness:
Didn't you. Ia a conversation had on
sunday evening. either three or four
weeks aEo last evening. say "McCunc
VIII never b. elected 60 the Senate I
don't remember whether said that or
not
4 am going 10 spring a Montana sem
fatlon on him before he shall be
elcctedT'' No. sir.
Nothing ~ that kind don't re-
member using any such words.
DO you say you did notf say
don't remember a.
WIN you say you did not7 You have
always been Hubcr. you have always
been IN a state % Hobucty. which would
enable you 90 remember Yes. Hir.
WIN you aay that YOU ala not. In the
presence N these two gentlemen, say.
"McCuuc viii never be- elected 10 the
Senate. W will spring a Montana som
satiun on him before thatf' don't
think I ever said that.
WIN you say you did not say ~ I
don't ever remember saying such
words.
wlil you say you aid not say ~ !
can't remember that Tar back-a con-
ycrration three weeks ago.
You can't remember three weeks
back I can't remember everything
that I said Ia conversation three
weeks ago.
Did you over sny that To anybody.
that before Mrcune shall be- elected
United States senator, We viii spring
Montana sensation on him"f ! don't
NVlu xnt ~ Won mayer dtaY 1 want
60 be- perfectly honest
oh. ~ cuuuo. We all understand that,
Mr.. Law. | never remember saying
any such words. although I may have
faid them. and I don't want 10 pcriurc
myself In any way whatever.
OF course not. nut you cannpt say
that you did not make a remark ~
that kindf I say that I cannot rrmem-
Dor what may havc-whai I may have
said In n conversation held three weeks
ago.
THAT would be- very-you realize.
MIR Law. an Intelligent man nH YOU are.
that that would be- very significant
remark for you tn maker Yes. and
that u Just the reason why I say that
I don't think I ever said u.
II h u remark that you would not be-
likely To make iiHhtiyf 30. Dir.
Ana yet YOU cannot ray-you think
that you ala not make that statement =
No, sir I wouldn't positively swear
that didn't ray something like that,
although
- don't remember anything OF tho
kind.
- that before McCunc shall be-
elected 10 the Senate We will spring q
Montana sensation On him7 No.
never remember saying those words.
hut you might have I ray 7 cannot
remember everything that took place
In q conversation thrcu weeks age. ana
\ NuuiIuif uualilVplN NWeuf that diana
ray that, although don't remember u.
and don't admit u.
The witness admitted that he had
made some explanations that he was
pot offended at anything Mccunc may
have said. on being introduced 10 him.
that he called frequently At McCunc's
headquarters when no nrst came 10
the city. but leHs frequently the last
few weeks that ON the Tuesday even.
INK h. had hvvn drinking and was
somewhat under the influence Of liquur.
recalled that Pat Moran had left Ito.
glp's saloon ana walked up the street
with them, hut ana not remember
whether be- went 10 the door of the rca-
tauunt GO not. dil not remember
whether or not McCunr had made nny
Improper remarks up % this time but
did not recall that he had. denied that
Sl1au or MnnHnn had hrvn IN the room
at headquarters. when MoCunc had
made him The uifer. did not remember
what he and Mccunc nrut talked about
IT was th' silver question and the
Grant lCitcfH, lasting about twenty
minutes hon Mccuuo said N witness
would vote Tor him he might name his
o'n terms ana consideration; did not
remember.
DIDN'T sou say Ia that conversation
that n II could be- shown to you that
Church influence had been used In
'ieeiing you, or that church influences
were being used 90 elect senator Cam
non. " any body could prove that tn
you that you would vote FOR Mocunre
II they would remove the suspicion
that II was b,ing used for HIM made
that reservation
Didn't enc ~ the party suggest to
ypu that a mutual friend ot his nnd
snIrs up In cache county had told him
that he had seen "a letter written by
one NJ tn lrndrrs-a man prominent la
the Church, IN behalf ~ senator Cau-
non, AMI didn't you say N that could
b. proved you know this man that
was referred to-didu't you say. ~ no
viii toll me that be- ever saw such a
Cuno9' Yes Hlr,
Aud wasn't u arranged between you
ara Mr sloan then and there that he
ana you would frame "a telegram ANA
send % THIS friend ~ yours OF In
quiry9 Ia thp restaurant
Yes, Ne, not IN the restaurant.
Afterwards 90 tho headquarters that
evening" Nrs.
Mr. NcCdne didn't walk from the
restaurant 10 the headquarters with
you aloneG SO.
lie made no Improper suggestion 10
you a. Tho way downf No.
or going NJ in the elevator? No.
or out N tao halls & the Keayong
No, fir,
When. as you went Into the head.