New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-05-17

| .o-You knew ne had ASK ASKED s.L IoI for "N
oNAnd he brought resolutions Into the Board
| about II, Ayes: remember hearing you reao
| the resolution.
HIS VIEW OF EIE CHIEFS POWER
O-And YOU asked Mr. McCullash to try to ge'
| on as easy with Sexton as he coud-try to oblige
| him II he could? Al don't remember anything
about the easy part Of 1t. probably said TO NC,
Cuagh II Sexton asked him transfer McConnellii
asked hS H sm wdad
Q.-How? Al believe Police Commiss ~ NJ
a., Sskf BOa aGd t Of P Se tight
Commissioner does i with proper motives Sen he has
no business to be there Commissioner to 90 !,
at an 4 as s b he csf fo Hf pS SOS % DO VIII
| know the reason why: otherwise IL Is time i'' "'
o'1Iow would you make him do IT? A; .o,,ssd
would remain for me to determine ar'er lie 'e'''e
legal way bad or w9uld S ySg i nsy DO
do have now Of compelling ing ' hight to- do
but there are many things that you 90 ma. 3 hjn
; ri s 81 s dcs to a nd the
missioners should be Of very cordial character
otherwise there cannot pe that nars Of the
body OF the Department; to bring about ane co
T pIex and dificult department such as that is,
Tha, is why say ! say tnereaI hch 'h ia esti
maize and proper of the executive officer OF the
department 10 transfer patrolman ana Inat g g
,h ref,sai me Relationship between the Chief and
myself would have to necessarily be from mat
osYes strained: but how would you make him him
that trouble with him yet.
THE LAW CUTS NO ICE.
o.-Don't you know that the power In the CHER
TO do this thing was given him specially by the
LEGISLATURE specially devised few years ago Tor
the very purpose Of making him Independent OF
the Commissioners In the matter OF transfers
A-Then the persons who devised that system ana
do not agree.
Q.-Bu; you are the servant Of the people ana
you act under the law. A.-Absolutely.
O-What right have you to read into the law
an Interpretation contrary TO its very terms? A
Don't misunderstood me: don't wish 10 oe lsu. sui
derstood Whatever the law s. II Is Just the sane
duty Tor the Commissioner obey 1t as It Is the
Chiefs duty to obey; but because me ia% ba De
partment and a certain other power In an ADMIN
istrative officer OF the Departmental you peaseIn
tionship between those two persons of such char-
acter and c3ndenee that one on what he be-
eyed be the proper thing ~ fep he force
In r eaf yn't the 81 pubic holds the Police Board
that responsibility and they should he so held ana
Police Commissioners IN h sne tbe Tigh to request
things TO be done OF that kind ana mas .he i'ss
to expect that they will be done when they are
QNwhen did you learn that It was desired to
remove. Mr., McCulagh. and who told your A
9-Yss. Al couldn't ten 70" that.
Q.-Who told you! A-NooouE
HIS WONDERFUL INTUITION.
GLOW did you know it? A.As we sometimes
know things by intuition. by circumstances and
conditions.
o-who did you understand was DESTROYS OF Sc
curing the removal of McCulagh? Al don't
know that understood that any one n baf w
possess. that there was desire that McCuhsgh
o. desire where? A.-Mr Sexton had #.
Q-who else? Al don't know; no one else ever
P0~You thought the statement of Sexton was in
tuitive enough? A.-You can call 1t what you
please. The relationship between Mr.. McCullagh
and Mr. Sexton had become very much strained,
and that strained relationship had existed some
time them prior to MecSqshs n0G
The satonshp between ss was h Of the very o Ssss
ton about that I am no; here to say that he was
not but there is another thing in a Police Depart
ment besides good officer There Is the exIsteh nee
tween two governing bodies, II ! may so describe
result. Mr. McCuilagh's relationship with the Pc:
lice Board was such that IN my ndgmehs bo yote n
tere ats Of the Individual as whole and intend
ing by that act to so indicate Ihat rs the "hoie
MORE COURTEOUS THAN THE MAYOR
Didn't you also feel that in removing him
YOU acting In conformity with the wishes Of
the organization which you represented in the
Board? A.-Well. I don't think the organization
had any objections 20 the removal
Q-Thank you for the nswer-thank you. Then
who chaTacterized Mr.. McCuilagh as a liar "a
coward and fakr? Al am not here to agree , or
Q-I did. Al was sitting in part of the room
where / could only hear part OF the answer.
,Q-That is the expression that he made today
Chief you have expressed? Al stated frankly
what my opinion was We do not all get along with
people in the same way. and we do not all Judge
Q-When you considering the removal of
would be put in his place? AIN the natural law
of grayltatlon Deyery would naturally be there.
right was the Deputy Chief. man who ranked
him for years and whose reputation was absolutely
realm Of speculation~because what Your view Of a
man msh1r be and what my view might be may be
might say that we did it for the same reason that
by taxing men ' from the lover and Interior grades
and putting them in higher grades.
Yes; they had no weight in my mind
Q-Why didn't you dispose OF them? A.-Because
We were under the same difficulty that the prior
Board
DIsREGARDED THE CHARGES.
Q.-But the stay Of proceedings had been OBJ
tanned by Devery himself Why didn't you make
him discharge the stay as to give you the power
10 wipe those charges off. before you lifted him
above the grade of the other officers? AThe
paid no attention TO them Devery had been APP
pointed Deputy Chief prior to that. Prior to that
time had no knowledge that there were undeter-
mined charges IN the Board. My only knowledge
In reference TO these matters was such the gen.
eral public had Of this. that had occurred and that
had appeared in the public press. AT that time the
question was brought to my attention by going
through the records and in going the un-
finished business left by the preceding Board. and
among those records these found. 1t
was then that ascertaned that writ of pro-
hibtion had been obtained and also then ascer-
tained that the charges the offences In the
charges and then pending before the Board were
substantially the charges that Devery had been
tried on In the courts. That was practically a
discovery.
Odd you make so careful an examination as
10 be able 10 say that positively, or is that simply
your opinion? A-That is my opinion.
Q.-When you came TO compare the charges on
which he was tried and the charges that are on
file In your office you find there wonderful differ
ences. AT you pardon on that | did look
into them. ! don't think there is wonderful diff
ference.
OIL invite you TO examine them more carefully
than you have done. Al might say another thing