New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-04-25


6.--Do you deny that there was letter read!
mo. DO not don't remember.
o.--You don't remember anything about letter?
6-From an Xssemblyman? A-No. sir
'8-From Brooklyn Assemblyman? A--No ST.
6'-Do you say there was no such occurrence?
~ could not remember. ,
you 40 not unrerrsk wa as numbers got up
"a spoke about various things, and read memo
ndums and one thing gh ane op OF things being
6sded to? Ayes, sir some were In favor OF one
and sT s Il arSr Of % and
4 favor OF another amount and some oiu nov a l
lcvs o q any f sSun. some wanted and some
i0.~xnd Il was agreed to make It sas apieee' A.
i was agreed TO make II 81 each. as It Is men
Ioned on that paper. That was the nhai agree
RESULT PRECEDED THE CAUSE.
ao.-That paper was gotten up before this meet
ie and sent out it the calling for the meet
NJ wasn't II? Alt was mentioned at that meet
14 That was the subsequent result.
1o.-The previous notice was the subsequent re-
nit OF the meeting? Is that what you mean 10
ny? Ayes. sir. Uaughter)
lois that what you say? A.-No; the nothca-
lon on the pink paper. say. was the subsequent
!ssult Of what agreed 10 at the meeting
lIo.--Although II sent out two days before the
i,eeting? A.-No. We had a meeting before that.
I've have already spoken about that
No.-At the meeting that had before that, was
K. letter read from a Brooklyn AsseniDiyman! A.
r'S'-were there a number of things discussed at
'oa-Was ' the fund discussed at the rre,i ous
',ssting? A.-The fund in regard 10 the benevolent
'o.-Were the doors locked at the previous meet
az? Al don't remember , 49, sor
ssnts at the Op previous eS svG meeting? A-No sir.
4 o.-That was at this meeting? A-No, l didn't
n wa he there3 A-No- believe he was,
o.-who was Flood? Who is he attached to-?
'o.-Let me read to you. Did not this letter which
sas read from the BROOKLYN Assem EN- so
hat no bills at Albany jeopardised their interests
yss there not such de letter reaa Il
(. OWN you deny It? or will you = A;-No
iii not deny it. l don't remember it: can't
Odd you suggest that the meeting sIT pass from
o.sureY H."That is word that have which
/. good many probably hear knows what 1t means
WON'T EXPLAIN PET PHRASE.
Q.-what does it mean? A.-Don't you know?
a-No, don't know what II meant; but did you
|lse II that night? Al may have.
I Odd you use Il in the Masonic meeting in any
@onneetion' Alt is a word that ] often use. .,r
don't remember the door being locked az an, ,sre
1ssS .haa is meant BY that E
emember making use of it,
o-You say it is an expression that yop hS use
,thers use It a hundred times also.
Q-Has it specific siggnifcation?a A- No sir; r
inued a certain length Of time. don't you know
hat every sergeant there was talked with per-
V o.MYou say he wasn't? A-No. sir
9You say no se dse weTs talked with per-
4 Q.--Do you say there wasn't table IN the room?
o.-There was table? Ayes; several of them:
H Q.-who presided at any table? Al presided
4 Q'~That was the presidents table? Ayes. sir
Q.--After you got through with the meeting, who
at F saST seated s f5ss knsy Of
not that I remember The financial secretary
night have sat g. at table and s fS9s dues
I Q.-what is his first name? Awkward think
o.-Do you know Sergeant OBrien. now at the
ssventieth Precinct? Ayes sir.
CONFUSING NUMBER OF O'BRIENs.
Q.-was he there that night? Ayes. sir.
j Q.-Do you know when he was transferred TO the
Beventeth Precinct? A.-No. sir; do not. That
Ne another O'Bren, I think.
OIL am talking about Sergeant O'Brien. OF the
7eventieth Precinct? A.-No; he wasn't the one
o.-what is this? II am referring to Sergeant
The Chsirman--Is Sergeant O'Brien present here
o~ESward G. o'Brien is the one I mean.
Sergeant o. Brien?
ssrseant oBrien-No. sis.
.
Sergeant O'Brien-I amt making any signs
signify the fact he wasn't there
OILS he the man you said was at that meeting?
Al didn't say So
S-Par rSon m me Sergeant nta A1 did not sir
d. asked you II you knew Sergeant OBrien. of
h Snd ssh r saS iSe Precinct yes
s ,s s1ss you 4 h: T da no meeting and
- recollection? Ayes. sir: don't
remember this sergeant being In any meeting
the room made a signal to you the reason you
swered that question? Ale wanted to let me
Q.~Is the reason you answered that because he
made a signal to you? A-No. sir; he didn't make
Mr. Failows-I happened TO that. How is IT.
when he wanted to let you know he wasn't there
no made this signal. shaking his head negatively?
Al didn't see him make any signal
o..That is the only signal he made' Al
o.-You wouldn't know what that would mean?
II would mean he wasn't at that meeting; that is
the sign ne made. A.-That Is another O'Brien.
SIGN FOR THE WITNESS.
Mr.. Clarke-Oh. no.
ar. Moss-Shall II be entered upon the minutes
that the sign that Senator Failows indicated was
the shaking Of the head. the shaking OF the head
usually indicating negatively. and that Senator
Faiiows says he saw the sign given:
The WitnessAThat wasn't the OBrien that was
there He can easily be identified. and wasn't that
man at all
Odd I ask you that? I know there
other o Brien there. and know what he did and
know where he went and whom he saw and
everything about 1t. even have used the name TO
you. A.--Well that isn't the one.
OIL didn't say he was. You are very, very
smooth. A.-No no; I am plain. unvarnished
OIL understand that The sergeant nearly
slipped his trolley on that quotation Now. Ser
Keant, the O. Brien you were referring TO was the
Sergeant O. Bren whose name is Thomas f.. 1r..
who was at the Central Office: wasn't II; he was
there? Al wouldn't be sure about his first name.
Ono He never was at the SEVENTEEN Precinct.
that O'Brien. Al didn't know there was
O-Never mind that. ! am asking you questions.
Don't get impudent TO me. Al want TO be fair.
Dwell. be fair. and answer questions. ! want
20 be fair TO you and give you chance to explain.
Sergeant. anything that you want to explain. You
shall have a chance to do II. A.-Thank you; all
right
Owe are before a solemn tribunal here. and
we must proceed orderly.
o-Now. I am Informed that Flood sat at the
table and that all the sergeants saw him, went 70
him. He had a talk with them: Did you see any
thing OF that? A.-No. sir; did not.