The San Francisco call., 1899-01-24

A Yes, I know him. don't think he
was; | don't remember that he was
Mere Ne there aed any Ss enam
A. Well it was right in the lobby OF the
Golden Eagle Hotel very close to the
telegraph office there, right against the
We're a number of people, guess, around
there. I did not notice them, though;
did not notice, who they were.
Q. Do you know whether they were
close enough to have heard the CONVEX
Sation?
A. Wen, I do not know. I guess maybe
they did, because, when l talk about
these things, 1 generally talk loud
enough so people can hear me-unfortu-
nately.
Q. When was that conversation?
A. l think it was Friday or Saturday
last.
Q. You may state it to the committee.
a I cannot give it word for word.
forget just exactly how the conversation
started; but, if l remember, Mr.. Dale
was complaining to me because had got
ten him into position so that he would
have to testify before the committee, and
I told him it was his owu fault, and we
went over the conversation again of his
being influenced by somebody to change
his vote to Mr. Bulla, and he told me that
he did not believe it; that he thought it
waS-thought it did not amount to any
thing; that it was not true. And l said
to him: What did you say so for, then?
Why didn't you keep it to yourself? And
If you had kept it to yourself-if you had
your opinion of tiff that was your opin-
ion that 1t was an idle rumor and was
to go on the stand, probably" Well
he said, II didn't say anything about it,
Well SAID 1, yes you did" Said L:
C1o you told to,d It - to Mr.; Cr9wder and r; Mr.;
to find out about it, And 1 further said:
Il wanted to find out if Mr. Bulla was of
fering $4,000 for votes, and if he was |
it put him in a peculiar position to mix up
a friend in this investigation. 1 presume
he meant the. man who had made the
proposition to him, if there was any prop
osition-if 1t amounted to anything
would have to be put on the stand. That
was the way L understood it, and that
that time: that he did not think L had
done the right thing in putting him in a
position to be brought before this COM
time, that he did not believe it was true
that there was any money being-that he
thought 1t was an idle rumor, or a josh
maybe, or something of that kind; and he
thought possibly it was, further, stated
to break up Mr.. Grants forces.
Q. In that conversation was the subject
OF this rumor part of your conversa-
A. Why, it was all of the conversation,
principally.
@. What was there stated as to who
was the person who had made the offer?
friend of his; that is all.
Q. Did you understand that it was one
COPELAND, an attorney for the Southern
Pacific Railroad Company?
A. No; [ tried to get him to give me the
name some days ago / went to Mr.. Dale
when he first told me of the proposition.
and tried to get him to give me the name;
told him that he was not treating us fair
by not giving the name, and he would not
give the name But at this special-this
particular conversation rather, that we
had on Friday or Saturday-he did not
give the name, but merely said that 1t
was friend.
2. Did he eyer give you the name?
Q. Did you ever learn it through any
other source?
A. never did, no. I think read it in
the Times that it was somebody by the
name of Copeland, but of my own knowl-
edge I know nothing
@. Did he state anything as to the
manner in which any supposed offer was
made?
a. Mr.. Dale, you mean?
@. Yes.
A, No, if I am not mistaken think he
said it was to be a financial considera-
ton I am not positive about that, but
that is the way ] understood it.
Q. Was the amount of the financial con-
sideration named?
A. Not at all
Q. Were any of the conditions under
which the consideration is supposed to
have been offered named?
A. No; think that Mr.. Dale stated
when | had the conversation before the
Saturday conversation, that the idea was
that he should vote for Barnes or any
body else, to break up-the idea that he
gave me was that it was to break up
Grants forces. That is the idea that /
got from conversation with him.
Q. Mr.. Dale. had been voting for Mr..
Grant. had he?
A. Mr.. Dale had been voting for Mr..
Grant. and he was to go to Bulla, IYnder-