New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-05-19

.n 4S,@What was the nrst? Ave had a number q,
the Department that you are acquainted viii OF
QuYoh' ! am not acquainted with what You IA
A.We ] can't relate now. The record viii liz sh aaa;
,o omWasnt the nrst Official act that you DER.
cry the permanent Chef A.~No. sir. MI Dew
yss YES va; not that done at the first meeting? A.
oAnd was there e anything h Of f"H msor,a,co
scted at that meeting before You voted for w. "
tba reT r. A-Yes; everything is OF Importance. IN
tbs, ds that the rst resolution that was offered
d,omBefore you voted on that resolution did WI,
naruss with anybody the question OF making a ne,
9~Nott @ a soui H'1 AoNo soul
No 81. sI one had asked you to vote for IL, A.
vo 0oNo one had mentioned Mr. Devery's nams u,
you! A.-Not n person. """'e 10
DID NOT LOOK UP HIS RECORD.
Q.-Had you looked up his record with the d.
partment? Al knew somewhat Of IT,
Q.-but MAD you looked It up? AIN the De-
public report. pal '''''"'' N-N'' judged from
Tbs you seen any public report tina, timer
Q-At that particular time or Just before a.,
40 a, found him in the Department handed over
Q.As captain? A.-No; / didn't find him az =.
o-You said you found him as handed over bv
ne me 10 you mean to say he was anything more
o tnsn Sv captain APT at that me2 Ale handed
the Police Department found him las as p Acttna IN
Q-But you had seen in the public prints be,o,.
you were appointed Commissioner a consderabls
amount OF discussion az TO his record his characer
ana MS ability? AYES. and about good mar,
Q-And particularly about him. Ayes. and
mad seen that he had been reinstated By the ora.
Of the Court to his position from which ne was un-
Q-Exactly; and did you also see before vo,.
o o0isa Ior MN that there was pending in the rec
n stayed order obtained nv
stay ne nad never vacated and which Is remaining
had not heard OF 1t in the Department. bur hesrt
OF II outside "a'o
,ovvYou had heard of 1t outside before you votedr
Odd you send for that complaint? A.-No IL.
Q-Why not? A.-Because you had tried hin,
once once or twice or somebody had. and the courts
tried to try him again and the co %rt yoa had
could not. ''u
TOOK TOO MUCH FOR GRANTED.
Odd you examine to whether the cor,.,
plant upon which he had been tried was the saro.
complaint that was laying in your Board-did Won
examine TO that? Al had a right TO sunnosa
1t the same. because the Court had reviewes
Il and said you could not try him upon thar COM
plant, because 1t was substantially the same
Q-Where had the Court reviewed n? A.
That was the report. You asked me about rs-
port.
o-That was simply q report which you heard
that? Ayes, sir and that case pending
when you were there and I supposed you knew al
Q-Was not that the case which he had stayed
by order Of court? Al suppose it was,
say. that trial stayed by his order Why
didn't you require him TO vacate that stay on his
motion. so you could dispose Of that and get
It off the records before you voted on It? Al
thought i Was Was sufficient a. far as my action
o...You dld not examine the complaint itself do
you? A.-No; II was not necessary.
9.-You did not IS see any order, did you? A-Na
o..-,You did not consider that necessary. did your
Q.-Why haven't you required him. as a matter
Of Of, common discipline and decency 70 make mo:
W Gn that to esse h the oTn ay hat you GS
ness whether he makes that motion or not.
heads of. the police force charged with the dis
cipline OF force and responsible for the morale
SI na THGs qst YOUR Se dIS by
Q.-Can you answer that? A.-what is THAR
don't consider 70 sS my ' duty ' to IN.
dertake to undo what the courts have done.
Q.--But you do not know the courts have done IT.
Al do
NO DESIRE TO SEE THE PAPERS
Q.-You say the papers there and you hsvs
not seen them? Ayes.
Q.--The charges there? Ayes; but cannot
say about that.
Q.-When you come to examine that charge, and
examine the cases that have been tried in the
courts. you will find them different? A-The courts
have satisfied me.
Q.-Have you compared the papers. TO seer
erai SrOm the sources OF information we get gem
Q-What general sources OF information have.
you had upon that? A-From reading the news-i
papers and talking with men,
Q.-Are you lawyer? Ayes.
Q-rhen you understand the papers. IL you have,
reoa how cam you - sc ON psSs,
Al get decisions of the Court OF Appeals and Of
Q-Didn't you read in the newspapers that the
charge lying In the police files was not the sane
some newspapers yes. and in some, NJ.
Q.--So you knew 1t was an unsettled question:
,, 1.Why didn, you Investigate it. them A
mSment. We never advanced MI Deyery above
the position we found him in: we never made him
we never elevated him up over the heads OF he
brethren. whose records were clear. You did thi,i
Q.-You did that Al didn't
Q.-Who promoted him? A.-Promoted him to-
Q..Chief Of Police. Al found him acting sss
Chief Of Police and knew a no reason nv w nSx no
.Q.-And you knew, Mr.. Abel, that two other gems
tlemen-o AIWhat are you telling me n.n whas
Q-You listen. You knew Mr.. Abell- Al
don't think It necessary for the counsel 10 tell mo
Q-You wait and see
The Charman-He is trying to get at what yoU
know.
WAS NOT INFLUENCED LIKE HESS
Q-iou hHeW tHht t"o O'Hei stHN'e"N'"
senting the very organization that you represen<.
had been removed from their positions as Comm's-
sioners OF Police. and that you had been put mo
one OF those positions, because they would not cIS*
sent to make Mr.. Devery Chief OF Police. didn
you? Al knew II from the same source tnat =
knew the other thngs-from the newspaper "
ports. that Is all. ,,,,~s
Q.-But you did not question It? A.-No. didn'S
question the other s,,,ss
Q-And you didn't doubt It? A.-No. eians
doubt the other. , .,,
o-you knew that the man who appointed yGa ~
and gave you a position with a salary attacneu "
II had expressed his view on that matter oy '.
moving the Commissioners who had refnseo W
carry out his will. You knew that from me %
pers, didn't you? Al had heard that ne hao "
moved the Commissioners. $50, ,s.
Q-And wasn't that the reason Mr.. Abel, W. VIZ
you promptly voted to make that Acting Cnei ""
full Chief? A-No. sir.
O--Without investigation? A.-No, sir.
Q--Without consultation? A.-No. .s
Q-What was the reason? A.-The reason wn.
that found this man there that ne had neen ~ W
mo- Cd the Otler. from Vne