New-York tribune., 1899-06-08
DALrovs SUPPORT sHAKY
HE RELIES ON BIRDsALL. WHO sAie i'N
pFrIFs ON THE FOREMEN.


RELIES ON THE FoREMEN.
coorcs " B,rdsal resumed the stand
NJ Noss-Mr Birdsall. understand trom 'ne
c,or,rr,sson.r that you the one VINO Is respo"a
h, ,or the desire 10 put water meters sehe'"''
into the houses is that so? Al am.
,rd What Is the reason Cor that? A-eo as
TO stop waste. 4, danger
o-Do YOU think that the city Is reaily ~ u.
=, uastA Of water--in danger from waste OF "a'e'
A-Scrne parts OF II Is ,so-o
y-h,t na-+so A-On the higher ground where
- arc abort Of pumping and In Brooklyn espe-
cially 49,, .s.t,on OF
ovould YOU restrict meters to that section u
the city? A.-Not II had my way
Q-Yes? Al say. not II hau my ,
w., u,ouh have meters all over Al "ouio
have meters all over o..-arc.
o-What meter has been given 'he
IN YOUR department, as to the nunoer
,htnk II is somewhere between the "0'''e
and the Crown, at present. crrr
ope,v4en the worthington and the Ofo"''
,or,sr,,v what period Of time? A-Within the 'as'
twenty years The last
a Sow within the last five years? A.-Ihe ia''
Ave Years I suppose the Trident and InoHipso'
n W,,h,r the last two years. A-The Thomp-
son and the Trident.
o-And AZ the present time how many are 'nere
What do YOU mean. the number IN useF
greater? Al suppose the Thompson Is.
Q-so that the Thompson meter mas oes"
ing? Ayes. sir ...
O-The Thompson meter makes o'ner ne' o.,
doesn't 1.-THE Thompson Meter Company A'->o'
that know OF. sir.
o-What meter does the Thompson co'"pa"s
nake-su those you have mentoneo' ANY
their own the Thompson. s.,
o-That is what you have called the i"ope
rreterq Ayes sir They have got TWO ol ~
forms Of H. called the Lambert ana lh0iiS''"'
according to the price they sell them at
o-Who makes the National and crown meters
A-The National Meter Company.
n And the Crown meter. the same company
rha saua company They also make the Oeih
and the Empire.
KELLY is THE PRESIDENT
orbe National Meter Company is the company
OF which Mr.. Kelly is the president A-'
OHasn't there been litigation between MI
Kelly's company and the Thompson company o.
those rne.ers-patent Htigations? Al suppose so
,r.-o hos noth,ng come Of 1t that know or
ORut the suits are still pending! A-Not tha'
trow NJ There are half dozen meters NO"
made by other companies under the same patents.
oDon.t YOU know the National Meter Company
Mr. Kellys company-has had per1haneht Il"
tunction against the Thompson company! Al
do not. 100
O-Never had any information about that A
No. sir .,o .so
(Which meter do you consider preferaole-the
Thompson or the Kelly company! At depenos
on which one Of the Kellys you are talking ABOUT
o.-One meter OF the Kelly company Is preferaoie
to the Thompson meter A.-The Crown
O-And which is not good as the thompson
,,o.aro AAbout the same as the National
O-The Crown is better meter, you say A
Yes. sir
o-It is a more expensive meter, is 1t not? A.
Yes sir
GA very hieh-class meter? A.-Yes, Sir
o-Onlv TO be used on buildings where large
amount OF water is used? Al should use II OF
a small building II ! had preference
OTo he sure But IL is only the class OF meter
and the expense that only building using large
amount OF water would be apt 10 use' A'-oh
no. very little difference.
o-What is the difference in price? A-oniy
about 81 % on a ive-eighths meter
o-Do YOU remember a statement that was made
IN the summer OF 1885 speaking Of the immense
volume OF water that wasted by running over
the dam? Ayes. sir.
VAST WASTE OF WATER.
oyou sav in portion OF your statement that
the fsars OF a water famine In New-York city
seem TO rest upon substantial basis. ana you
state that OF the average Ave hundred gallons OF
water run 10 waste over the Croton every year;
you made that statement? Al did.
O-That s true7 A.-Yes. absolutely true.
Q-Is II true now? A.-Yes.
o-What is the necessity OF imposing the burden
upon the householders Of putting In water meters
II there Is water running to waste this way? A
There are times when there is no water running 10
waste that requires expenditure OF millions OF
dollars FOR storage and millions Of dollars for
mains 10 utilize IT, II they put In meters you would
not have 10 spend those millions OF dollars
O-But just see the large storage reservoirs that
are belng built now under contract to save that
waste A-Exactly
Q-And as you are building them and intend 10
store that waste why put that burden upon house,
holders7 Am a few years the increase will ca,
I'D all the value OF those reservoirs.
ON few years? Ayes.
o-Estimating 10000 houses IN New-York, and
the cost OF putting in water meters at so each.
which is pretty low. that would make very large
sum for the meter companies, wouldn't II, 5oom
houses at so a house7 Ayes
O-rt makes 10000? Alive million dollars.
and a very small portion OF that is profit.
O-There must be some portion which s proht7
A.-certanly.
O-And II there were 10000 meters there would
have 10 be a large increase In the number OF In
spectors wouldn't there A.-There would
Q-Naturaly? A-Naturaily
O-Apd their records would require a large num-
ber OF additional clerks to keep them up? Ayes.
sir
q 90 that the expense OF 81. COO 900 TO the house
holders would be q very small item in the general
exnense Of that increase system? A.-No: because
they would pay more for their water
Q-Do you think people pay more Tor water
ubar there il a meter put in? A.-No they would
no, nav for any more. but they would pay for
what they wasted.
SAYS 1T WOULD CHECK WASTE.
ouou would the city get anything out OF that7
Alt would simply because they would not
waste any then.
o-Rut the city does not get anything for the
water that is not wasted. does IT. A.-Not when
there is a meter on.
Q-when you have more water than you can use.
which hac TO be allowed TO go over the dam
Ave have not more water than we can use
Q.-You say SOOOoo.ooo gallons goes over year,
A--Yes-