New-York tribune., 1899-04-11

3-YYom ayap heard of Mr. crokers name men,
toned in connection with that factf A'-No' s"'
TAKES NO ORDERS FROM CROKER.
o-suppose Mr. Croker should command you To-
day to close up the poorooms do you 'hihA II
,vould he done? Ale would not make any such
command on me. let nobody make comHianos vi
me am there for the people told you a.,
me "oe-Weii. Mr.. Chief the people command? A.
Yes sir; at all times Gay apd n,gh Nour suggestions.
and hold you TO that strict accountapilty MY.
Won have mentioned occasionally. Al am suoJe,,
TO their complaints, and VIII ac, on '"e"' ~ "''
o'|Now Mr. Chief. you were required to max make "a
careful examination only last October you Were SO SO
required respecting all these matters. gamonng ana
every kind of lawbrealSlng IN the lily u 'e"
YORK WeTent mere yoI Is copy Of the order isn't IT,
right on the pink paper OF the Department? aadnd Hand
Chef? nS pAi@I Believe @ there was such order
this Saf SSpy Sfdeh Of ns rsRGl
p%Gr. Mr. MossoWhiie the Chief is reading that win
f Wam an s, DeVery, Chief q Police Under date Of Of
NewYorS October 2otn G,Y iS held Al ths day. the fol-
lowing proceedings were had: Whereas. the public
Of se Gy 9 eaYnf E eEs the city Of
York, 1T resolved that the Chet OF roire nrs De
lent haste to the Board to the truth or fasity ~
of such statements and that ne report aso ~ u
in this city 49, .,o,.o r..o,ut,or YOU
will send to me with the morning returns t on or
day, October a. 1898, report as 10 me anort IN
detail what action has been taken or caused 10 ne
taken by you preventing gambling or o'nen w.
from Nav p, 1885 to date In making this report you
will give tabuated statement showing te hui1
Der of arrests you have made Tor sucn kai,o n ~ .
and other violations Of law as are cnargen oy time
public press as above set tbercof You viii also
furnish me with list Of the members OF your our
and
charged You will also report ar tne sane t sithe re '
spect 70 gambling and other violations OF the law
as elleffddJ e.WTfdJAM S. DEvERY. Chief. of Police.
This is addressed to the captains. in compliance
with tho resolution Of the Board ,. .,.ro- ,o
o'-Hsve you finished reading your answer 70
Q.-That is your response to that is IT, A-ro-
these the reports OF the captains (hand-
ing number of reports 10 the Ttness' thair writ
hss0 ns. Evdently @ they reports n IN. attention
Of your precinct commanders was caiied speccals y
on this date october g. 1885, to the very matteas @
that have been questioning you apoo o, W. General
not? A-Not specifically. but as whoie-a gehera'
QBut your attention referred by s the order TSfy
OF the Board whole as you say, 70 sho1e % no
matters have been asking you about! He. rha n me
look at that paper again. me se req Sre the reports
is handed TO the witness) Inose are '''o ''P'''"
touching on that yes.
HIS MIND CAN'T GRASP 1T ALL.
o.-How is It then, II you were ordered and II
YOU obeyed those orders, that you are SO denseiy
ignorant to-day about the whole subject or the en-
forcement OF the law, and the violation or the law
as you have shown yourself by your answers 10 'he
questions? A.-Because there has been no COM
nlaints Those matters have been continually at
tended to- and there is much OF that matter
coming in and out from the five boroughs daily
eighty different precincts and suo-statlonsLthat II
takes Won all YOU can do to remember What con
fronts YOU I'm day let alone going back any length
Of time without referring 10 the records , ..
O O-Isn't Edward Glennon In some way related 10
you or some relative or friend or yours! A-None
whatsoever. ~ Ill,
rsstSn fG AK at ALL xos Us this chief Since
were appointed as Chief OF Police. how many
tran tFa4sfsrs eHscs have the Eeu record Will show
o'-i know the record will show. but about how
many many YOU made marHy A noqsns made d good many
Q.-How many about-a hundred? A.-Oh' yes;
"a thousand transfers in how many months !?
A+Ten months. The record will show perhaps
o~Weil we will stand up 70 thousand m, on on your your
Impressions Al would prefer going by by the rec rec
CsGnof caGT; Nf Think M9S Of ali al those those things
Al d M not S expect 9u b 2 Know waneG 70 aa ge
about how many. Al cannot remember all those
Q.DNow. Chief, have you yourself determined
each one of those transfers? A.-They went through
0"Everv one whent through your hands? A.
Yes sir except that might be on vacation or
Q~Were there transfers made while you were
away? Not that u I know know Of !, MAY: May ay have been
o.EBut YOU hardly think any transfers were
made while YOU were away? A-There may have
been: will concede that
went through your hands? A--Yes, sir 49,
transferred? transfer A"No, NO I'd did not '''''' '''''
o-Did you transfer each man for a special rea-
son that you yourself knew and that was salts
factory to you personally? Al think did; yes,
o.-Then. for each one of those transfers there
was special reason? A-There certainly must
have been In some way.
Well. n rule. for the good OF the service.
THE sTEREOTYPED REASON.
Q-I know For the good of service is a good
old term but we don't understand II here. 1t has
covered up great many things in all admlnstra-
tions? A.-To make 1t short TO you. and then you
can get to your details Will tell you some 1
made.
Ono. no; I don't want to get into details
What generally the reasons? A.-For the
good of the service.
Ooh. no; what sort of reason controlled you
generally in taking policeman away from the
precinct where he had been and sending him to an
other? A-Matter Of discipline, and in the inter-
change making the quotas Of the precincts on the
various night posts within that precinct. what We
call the total force Of the precinct. keep them
in the precinct it may be hundred. and II a man
was transferred from one precinct TO another we
would bring a man from another precinct to that
precinct to keep the quota even
Q.-Dld you consider the comfort and welfare of
the men and the claims upon them OF their fam-
lies rule? Ayes In most cases.
Q.-Sometimes you did not consider IL? A.-Well
you might overlook matters and make mistakes.
Q.-Why. for instance. did you take man. n
Staten Island, and then from Staten Island to
Wakefield? Why would you do that? What would
there be for the good ot the service in making a
transfer OF that kind? A.-Well. he might be a man
who was addicted to drink did not properly pa
troll his post and the captain might ask straight
en- him out quick. because he had got out Of COM
plant been fined something of the kind-as
you know-and might ask to have him sent away
to try TO straighten him UP in some way: and then
mistakes In reransferring This has been the first
year OF this hve-borough system and there is
many mistakes made In making transfers In and
out, but I don't think n transfer of that Kind
would occur-transferring man from Long Island
TO staten Island and from Staten Island to Wake
field
Dwell you would not do that for politician.
would you? A.-No. / certainly would not.
Q;-Woud you do It for any man who was not