The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1899-10-24
Members of Parliament Almost IMAM
imOus I'm Support of the Plan, the
Vote Standing 336 23.
SUSPENSION OF P. O'BRIEN
FOR DENOUNCING JOSEPH CHAMBER
LAIN AS A SIURDERER.
Lord WoIseley,s Summing Up of the
situation I'm south Africa Read to
Members of the House.

LONDON, Oct4 23.-The parliamentary
secretary Of the War Office, Mr.. George
.Wyndham, made a statement in the House
of Commons to-day saying:
Lord Wolseey sums up the position IN
Natal early this morning as 1oiloWs' III
the battle of Elandslaagtei oet; oers ri' Who Who
lost heavily. A large column OF the enemy
appeared, advancing from the north and
west on General yule, who consequently had
fallen back from Dundee, aud was con-
centrating at Glencoe Junction. In this op-
Grafton we gathered in the wounded, VINO
with medical attendants. were left AT Dun
dee General White was in position al
Ladysmith, and is being reinforced from
Pietermaritzburg. The enemy appears to
be in large numerical superiority
The chancellor of the exchequer, Sir MI
chael Hicks-Beach, made a statement on
the question of the expenditure entalied py
the Transvaal war. He said the expendi-
ture for the year had been increased by the
supplementary vote to a total of Eli, ,2O5, 900.
but. he added, the revenue had increased
and he expected there would be an increase
of $4,000 600 over his estimate of the reve-
nue.. This would be a considerable contri-
button towards the unforeseen expenditure
and would leave about a7.OOO.OOo to be pro-
vded. He thought there should be no addi-
ton to the fixed debt, but that the money
SnOulQ De raised Dy d teIlpOidry duuA'ioh ~
the floating debt. The chancellor of the
exchequer. therefore, asked for power to
raise ES.OO0.000 by treasury certificates, the
question of fresh taxation to be left over
for the next financial year.
Sir Michael also pointed out that the
present war differed from previous ones, and
that the estimates had been more carefully
drawn up. No one could foresee what the
H. a
met with brilliant success, and the colonies
were loyal. Although there might be some
thing in to-day's news giving cause for
anxiety yet he saw no reason to believe
that the campaign would not be brought to
close In the period for which the estimates
were framed AS British colonies had been
invaded, he considered it to be consistent
with all the laws of war, if, when it was
brought TO a successful termination, the
Transvaal taxpayer should at any rate have
to bear part of the cost The Transvaal, he
continued. was wealthy in its gold fields
There had been complaints from those in
terested in the gold fields. There had been
excessive taxation, but he believed that un-
der a pure and honest government it would
be perfectly possible for the Transvaal to
bear not only the ordinary expenses of gov
ernment, and of providing for the mainte-
nance of peace and order within its terri
tory, but also to provide reasonable sum
towards the expenses of the war, with a
reduction at the same time of the taxation
of the gold fields
Continuing, Sir Michael Hicks-Beach said: :
IF these anticipations are not fulfilled, and
the sum borrowed proves to be but part Of
the total cost of the war. we shall appeal
to your patriotism next April. We believe
that those who have supported us in the
prosecution Of this work will not fail us
when 1t comes to pay the bill. If fresh tax
alton were introduced now, it might pro-
long the debate and produce a division
which might be entirely misunderstood
abroad. / shall not take any course which
VIII promote division or prevent us from
presenting united front in this crisis
Sir Henry Campbell the lead
er of the opposition, agreed that this was
not the proper time to discuss the financial
question, and that it was not desirable to
show a sign of disunion
The proposals of Sir Michael Hicks-Beac
were agreed TO by a vote of 3t6 to 2s
The reference of the chancellor to the
anxiety as TO the latest news apparently re-
ferred to Lord Wolseley's announcement
tndt the BrltlSn were falling back from
Dundee before superior forces.
During the course Of the days proceed
ings, while the House was discussing the
report on the supplementary estimates, Pat
rick OBrien. Parnellte member for XII
kenny City. declared that the hands of the
British secretary Of state for the colonies
Joseph Chamberlain. Were much stained
with blood as those Of any murderer who
ever mounted the scaffold. The speaker.
William Curt Gulley, called upon Mr.
OBrlen 10 withdraw his remarks, but he
refused to do 50. whereupon the House. by
vote OF 3l6 10 26 resolved TO suspend him
and he left the House, remarking: "You
had better bring UP another army corps.
unless you want ii somewhere else"
The House then adjourned.
Mr.. Balfour said in the House of Com
mons tonight that the War Office had no
news OF any serious engagement at Glencoe
since Friday, although Lord woIseIey's
statement evidently presages an attack by
Commandant General Joubert