New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-05-17

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record will show that
WHAT HE TOLD MCULLAGH.
| Given before these fruitiess efforts to retre
him. there rumors beng puo'isn.u :" ''e
newspapers that that was the plan OF the Deho-
cratic organization 10 get rid or him ana 10 put
! Dev.rv there do you remember n? Al reme"-
her there were some such stateIn.nts, NtoCrIiagh
oHAnd do you remember that Mr.. tar, thasa
went to y you vo pe, .sd viii @h not my oath
ONCE matter how SssSn Go ney and gambling
games are no good TO any political haYa thev
whaiev sIsat - d m to it, Before yield they
can have my resignation" p'' 20" Say
o1DId you say anything IKE Ike. Il? rx AMMo' as
ySs ssad M d a% ITss in gnnne and
ending ns S Of nG to taking SG% IN i that %
that thing emPhaieny ss y0n Gis as 70 to those
Gambling places but state that there was SON no san l,
uenee hat could swsISe me- ala H not, ""e
Gle went to YOU when these reports Were oe yo,i
published in the Ma g,d he say and what did
1ov saw? A-McCuagh never spoke 20 me- on ah o or
recollection OF ra IT ~ as to him personality
not that ren Gnas about his status? A.No sir.
oDdn he speak about the rumors Sr hs Of
urememiL ,rs ~ me about t. declare that ne did
no Now let us see: you,bad tie vote III ime
and TWO voting not to retire'hm? A-rhat ~ ny
| recollection.
MAYORS SUDDEN ACTION
O.-Then the Mayor acted suddenly ana '''"o'''
two Commissioners? AYES. SIT
O-Do you remember that you had a fnee''Is
Win the two Commissioners the'very morning
| they were removed? Al remember'that by iooh-
| ing at the minutes -. ,,. .hasa two
| Comnissoners were removed? Al am not POSI-
five about the hour II was some time IN the morn
| ill., tfnn 10
Resrd as viii cali it, met about 10 o'clock and
were in session short time ana then ,' ,han wa
| NJ Hamilton and Philips followed. ana theh we
Q.-Mr Hess came right down? Ayes and
o"Were you expecting Mr.. Hess? Al didn't
know Mr. Hess was TO be Commiisssloner u'''i "s
walked In and handed me his certificate.
O-Did you expect new Commissioner A.
No sir not that morning n o.. ret,rsrosr,
Q.-You voted Immediately upon the retirement
owhy didn't you wait until the Mayor k1 ZAP ap-
lection is that Mr. Hess came up there with mes.
senger don't recolecs who 1t was va doub rtconee'
Q.-What the occasion OF the great hurry Ilcy,
why didn't you wait for full Board? A-Weli
there rumors about an Injunction
O-You acted with a rump Board? A-You and
| won't agree on rump board 49,.
Dwell. leave that out. Ayes. you can IeaVe
that out with full safety. There was no rump
about IT,. 1t was legal Board .., =,
Q.-Well. 1t created rumpus, anyway al IL
created a rumpus There was no doubt about the
Q.-You looked that question ZIP before 10 see
whether 1t was legal? Ayes
WAS PREPARED BEFOREHAND.
o.-where did you look it up? Al looked It up
as lawyers generally do and consulted with law
yers on that.
Q-whom did you consult? A.-The gentleman
who acted with me on most all matters
Q.-Who that. Mr.. Whalen? A.-No
Q-Some one at the Corporation Counsers office?
A-No. l will tell you who It was. If you want TO
OF would like know. Alt was Judge
Clement
O-Who? A-Judge Clement. He was connect
ed with my office When / say / consulted him.
l shouldn't put IT that way, as to consulting MIN
counsel. but we consulted on all private mat
tiers
Q.-Where was that consultation held? AIT
Q.-Before you left the Brooklyn Office? A
That morning prior to the
Ono. walt minute. A.-Maybe got ahead
o-You did get little ahead At 10 o'clock you
had meeting Of the old Board? Ayes
Q.-At y O'clock two members were removed
Q-And shortly after that Mr.. Hess came down
Mccuiagh? A.-Yes. sir
O., And you had already examined the legal side
Of that question? A.-No. hadn't.
Q-When did you? A-That is where say We
have not looked at the question other than the gen
erai knowledge ! possessed as lawyer that
'Q'~if the Board has been. partly destroyed.
S6a5ts san boa, beard? Al think they have pro-
Q.-When there was only one out Of three repre-
think the law recognizes that question involved
in IT. think the general statute permits the ma
more-more than two-to act Just the same as II
there a fun board present
CONSULTATION BEFORE ACTION
Q.-You consulted after you acted? Ayes. be-
cause didn't know that condition to exist on
that morning that is about the three. But had
studied that question up, IT was involved in other
questions that IT, to the three going on. Now
! said consulted. Now. don't want TO be under
stood as meaning that went and looked for
law firm was that OF close counsel, and we talked
sion that he came to, as well myself and that
sustained the judgment came TO-
cSef A y0T @ s SnSs da asAf think s'e'' '
Ae days as afsr 1hss
time in June. l think this wxasmthe minutes are
Q.-That is near enough; some time after? Al
think the 18th or Soth of June that Commissioner
Q-The arsi act that was done after Mr. Abel
became Commissioner was tS make Deverys APP
oSf Of Gs o Ss you 6e wt to made made
acting, the intention was to make him permanent
Tha was a the point Of S the whole yd m0vs sv Vas
point of the whole move. 1t was the result Of
eS S Of r waT me %Gc}si e 0's '
Q.--That was the object Of all YOU have testified
moval OF McCulagh? A-That was not my
Q~was It not your object to make Devery
Chief? A-That was not the only thing that in
luenced me.
HE WANTED HARMONY.
Q.-What was the other thing? A.-As / told
you before this difficulty trouble that existed
between the Commissioners and the Chief.
Q.-To remove dissenson? Ayes, sir. did
not intend by any act OF mine that there should
be a ascension In the proceedings of the Board
that had been there before.
Q.-How did you Democratic gentlemen succeed
in getting those Republican Commissioners TO agree
TO the removal OF McCullagh and the appointment
OF Devery, a Tammany Hall man? Al suppose
because they were sensible. wise men.
Q.-They fen into your way OF things, and mace
ND their minds not 10 have any dissension In the
police Board? Ayes. sir: In that respect;
| O-You have heard what Mr. Sexton said In
reference to making Mcconnell, have you? Al