Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1899-02-24

W ell 4 Afllnh \ fNfl llIn niNN hAfh -
you the Information. ! left him at
the cullen hotel" ! said. We'll, per.
haps you had better 10 and get that
information but he says. 'Mr Jack
son may have left there" ! remember
We looked mt our watches. In mat
case ! don't know where to md HIM
he may be In some Of the resorts. some
OF the other headquarters or he may
have gone home. and my business Is OF
such a character that cannot neglect
II too long" I then suggested to him
that he take carriage aud make the
rounds OF these places. " he failed to
find Mr.. jackson at the cullen hotel
and he said something about II being
too expensive. and ! remember saying
to him. "Oh, damn the EXPENSE take
three carriages. I want 10 know wheth-
er that man Is going to vote for VI or
not" and with that he went away.
a CARRIAGE SUGGESTED.
on that occasion. IN undertaking TO
state the facts that you have been
stating. that ~. relating to the same
transaction. state " he did not then
say In that presence that when he left
you nt tho head u the st1irA, Just
before that. he suggested or YOU .sug-
Rcsted carthage He did.
And never mind the cxpenscl He did.
Mr.. Stewart-I did not understand
II or you suggested u.
me witness-In a previous convcrsa-
ton. not the particular conversation tc.
ferred IN In the question. he did mem
tion something about "a carriage. and
when asked by me to state positively
when the carriage he referred to was
mentioned. he said ut the head Of the
stairs on the occasion OF his last visit
that night TO me.
Questions by sir. Stewart;
He suggested n carriage Just as he
icft7 Either he or myself. don't know
what he said ne TO that
You don't know whether you suggest
ca or whether hc suggested ~ I know
that I rugEerted H. because he said
something about oNpenar-or time,
keeping him from his business to walk
about to these various places and Ind
SIR. Jackson n he did not ind him at
the cullen hotel.
And you suggested that he take
carriage. Just as he leftG Three ear
riagca. n necessary TO get this infor-
nation.
Mr. Dickson Now the question Is
what Mf. WINS said last Monday even
ing IN the presence ~ the gentlemen
named In Mr. Thurman'a question.
AIR. Thurmnn-Yos.
Questions by Sir. Thurman
viii aAk you N on that samc occn-
sion Mr. wins. In relating his version
of this Transaction. did not first omit
10 say anything about the carriage In
the last conversation lie dld.
And n you did not then say 10 him.
mir. WINS. ala you not mention you
might have 60 ~ a. his home, and
suggested cnrfings. and did he not
saw "Ycs. you did7' Tie ala.
80 THOUGHT or BIRDING.
one more question. believe. Mr.
liagris. I viii ask you II you have amy
| perfnnhl knowledge whatever Of any
money being used or any promise TO
| pay money or any other thlnE OF value
| for the corruption ~ any member II
the legislature or 10 Influence their
vote for ar. McCuncg
Mr.. EvanH-Onc moment. don't an
swcr that please. ! object 10 that as
being general and immntcrlal.
Mr.. Dickrou-Mr ofcr 10 show by
this witness, who har been IN charge of
the campaign. ~ well aH by Mr. Me
Cunc hlmnelf-wo win make the same
offcr then. and Sir Evans IN his own
judgment may object to u or not. we
offer % show 60 the members of this
committee by witnesses under oath.
that the campaign OF STR. McCunc has
been absolutely pure % far M the use
~ any means Ia obtain votes ~ any
member ~ the Legislature n com
cerncd. and that 10 far rs the witness
now upon the stand N concerned, the
campaign manager having tho cam
| paign ~ Mr.. Mccunc In charge. IN con-
cerned, that he not only dld not him-
self. but that 20 his personal knowledgc
there never has been u dollar used Inn
properly 90 Influence tho vote 81 any
member ~ the Legislature; thcfo has
never been promise 10 cNpcnd a doll
lar 10 pay a dollar In the future. or
any consideration whatever for the
ssYu fttaFNl.Nr ~ La
that there have been no means used
within the knowledge OF the witness.
except what were strictly honorable
and proper 10 be uHfd. We Will offcr.
when AIR. Mccuno comes on the stand,
TO make the same proof by him, and
the committee can exercise It's judy
munt 40 to whether they desire 60 hear
proof NJ that Kind argued by counsel.
Mr. Ilowcil-innamuch as tho COM
plnint alleges that nnd the main wit
ness teHtiner 10 II. I move that Mr..
Harris b. allowed 20 answer that quca-
tion.
Mr CummlnRa-I second the motion.
The question was then put and the
chair declared u carried.
tQuestion rcad1
No air. have not n I had /
wouldn't be with Mr. MoCuno.
CROSS EXAMINATIoN
fNNNNH fNAlffllUMiANn ID MI isNNflNs
Witness handles all the money used IN
the Mccune campaign. does not keep
an account of II. nor account 60 MIR,
MCcune.
Doesn't he pay you any money! I
bcg your pardon; do you ask me
whether he pays me Tor my pefHon-
al service or Tor use In the campaign
For uHef What money | need | get
from Mr.. McCunc.
Don't you keep an account Of that?
I de- not.
why uot1 simply because I do not.
I never have.
How does he know that you use the
money which he gives youf HNfgcst.
Mr Evans, that he could probably an
Hwcr that better than l. I remember.
N you viii permit me 60 say, that |
asked Mr. Mccune II he wanted me to
take vouchers for expenses and he
laughed az the idea. | don't know
whether you know II or not but I am
very busy ana have been very busy.
and have no bookkcepcr and no stem
nHraphur,
How much money have you received
from himf I cannot answer that uues-
ton at this time, J can look Il NJ Tor
you.
Have you an nccountf would have
10 set the information from some other
source
VIVA, source1 Mr., Mccunc. he would
know
EXPECTED An ELECTION.
Did you expect there would be an