The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-02-22


speech: 1 mean the subject of it:
dont want the substance OF il, but Us
: subject OF it ? Tire pagt that i referred
to was in substance that no one could
4 prove that Mr. McCune was usins
money indirectly 10 aid him in this
campaign, and that he did not believe
| that he had even tried TO do such a
! thin.
If anybody had the proof to furnish
| it? Sir?
Did he say. in substance. if anybody
had the proof. to furnish it? Yes. sir.
| You were asked about a conversation
that occurred in the Onyx saloon. with
Major Stanton. Mr.. Dickson asked You
If, il The conversation at the Onyx sa-
loon. in the presence of Mr. Stanton,
you did not say. in effect. that you had
a scheme which would prove to be a
stumbling block in the defeat or Geo
ton; rather, of Mr.. MeCune; / under
stood you to say that you had no rec
objection of that conversation? l am
not acquainted with Mr.. Stanton; l
don't know the man when l see him.
Did you ever say to him such words,
or words importing that way? No, sir.
Or to anybody else? 1 don't think l
ever did.
Along that line, what. if anything.
have you ever said about the election
of Mr.. McCune? Oh. may have said
something in that line in jocular way,
some time: 1 wouldn't be positive. CT
wouldn't swear that l had, or that l
had or had not.
MEMORY AGAIN FAILS
He called your attention likewise TO
Il conversation in Hogle's saloon in the
presence of the bartender, Johnny Quill
Ian and the Tribune reporter, Mr.. Carl
Hard, in which you stated that some
thing in substance like that yod had
stated upon other occasions; do you
have any recollection at all about any
such statement in that saloon? No,
sir.
If you made any statements along
that line. 1 wish you would state to the
committee what they were, if you re-
member any of them? 1 don't remem-
Der any os them.
On Tuesday night Mr. Dickson asked
you about the conversation which you
had in the presence of Mr.. McCune,
among other things you stated that you
discussed the silver question believe a
little and the Grant letters: l wish you
would state to the committee what Mr..
McCune said about the Grant letters
and whether he agreed with the sem
timents expressed in those letters.
Mr.. Dickson-That is an improper
question. 1t is entirely irrelevant, and
then the query whether or not Mr.. Nc
Cune agreed with the sentiment .ex-
pressed in those letters is highly i'm
proper. 1t is not for the witness to
draw a conclusion on that point, but
for him to state facts and leave the
committee to draw a probable conclu-
sion from what was said. l also OBJ
ject to the whole question as irrelevant.
What did he say about the Grant let
tiers if you remember? l don't remem-
Der what he said-the very words that
he said. or really the real substance of
what he said, but the tone of his con-
Mr.. Dickson-We object; if the wit
ness cannot remember the words or
even the substance. he is not competent
to speak.
Mr.. Evans-I am not particular about
it, if you make an objection to it.
Mr.. Dickson-I am not objecting. you
except that he don't re-
the substance of it.
Mr.. Evans-I say you object to him
answering the question in view of the
facts as he stated.
Mr.. Dickson was asking you about
that passage in your speech wherein
you stated that you had lied; wish you
would explain fully what you meant by
that passage in your speech, if any
thing. or whether you meant anything
a lie?
Yes. l meant that l had told a lie
10 accomplish a certain purpose.
For what purpose? Why, the expos
ure of Mr.. McCune.
Exposure of Mr.. McCune? Yes, sir.
Did you feel any conjunction of con-
science for having stated what you did
on that occasion? No, sir
THAT LIE AGAIN.
And what did you mean. if anything, |
about God forgiving you for having I
told lie? 1t was merely a passage of /
speech as / explained yesterday.
Had you deliberated upon it at all? |
No. sir; il just simply occurred to me /
while / was speaking and / mentioned !
Did you mean to intimate anything J
IN the examination by Mr. Dick /
son. that you had in fact lied in way
hat troubled your conscience and that .
you were seeking forgiveness of the Al ]
mighty for having done SO? No, sir
Mr.. Dickson likewise asked you why /
Mr.. Pratt didn't search you before YOU .
vent across the road over 10 the Wa /
;atch drug Store-to the south side of
Second South street-was that question
# search discussed between you and /
Mr. Pratt at all? No. sir
Did you think of such a thing? No.
'ir; l did not
How much money did you have with !
'ou on that occasion of your own or
anybody else's; how much did you have
ibout your person: Seven or eight dol
airs.
What kind of money was that? 1t
vas s. bill and some silver
Did you have any more money than
hat belonging TO yourself or to anyone
N~ln Iafk
he Wasatch drug store to cross the
street. with Mr.. McCune? No sir
When you began to fix the price in
he drug store did Mr.. McCune resent
t at all? No, sir.
Did he rather court it? Yes, sir;
hat is. he met me half way.
He wanted to reduce the price? Yes.
ir.
And after all that conversation had
With him about how he was to give you
his money, how much. the price all
Xed, he still said, You wait a mo-
nent until | get a package or some
hing at the counter" of the drug store.
id he? He said for me to step out
rst and he would get some change: l
elieve that that was the words he
or get something
And he joined you outside. did he.
fter you had made these dishonorabIe
propositions, spoken of by Mr. Dick
on? Yes, sir
He shook hands with you when you
rst went in there? Yes, sir.
Walked across the street with you
fter these propositions were made?
les, sir.
Stopped on the sidewalk moment
n the south side of the street? Yes,
if.
He shook hands with you again as
on parted, after these propositions
iere made? Yes, sir.
Did he show any resentment when he