New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-04-15

little experience in that line can conPtrol OF the
association- A. dnterruptingIi w - ,e recS sgu
wn nd would rnf Ss 20 hey would appoint and
would not recommend anybody o"' u"
oyon would like to name all the referees IRE, and
you srv wouldn't SSafl us put S on shs' "s'
| o.-Haven't you recommended some reie'e'
o@Haycn't they been appointed? A-Not o, an:
%" OIL ear guess you can't But will be glad to hav'
recall it now or at any o.ner daughter and the
chairman struck the gavel and called the p'o'ee'
81T ~ what judges have you sent such requests
or concentrations? Al don't remeh1oedt Az, "a
o.-Judges in the Supreme court A.
" cThose are the only judges, in the suPreSe
Court. that appoint referees are 'nes "o'
ohe judges that appoint refeTess II " they
have been carried out that Is the 70 re-
II: How is IT, b AL aN Wonid"' "e''''
mend any repptabIe lawyer who Republican?
Aoh no oo mo- 2;cay tSnR' Mr. Carroll that judges
and referees who pass upon tne Is ~. oIac,on "a a
pe should sss Se xwe they shouldn't ask
the politicians to reGommero patronage they have
q Thai is the judicial candidates SHOULD no. ASK
| the politicians A. dnterrupting'-No' '"''"
the that expect So nam G Ss them
ask tSs s "a t6e@ S' ey yef asked
A o-IThey asked Mr. Croker didn't they? Al
o0 oHe hasn't talked with you about that? A.
Not yet. os,,,on &c clerk of the
Court OF General sessions take up this business
with Mr. Croker. didn't you? A-,fes =" bbecome
pr 9af Is bas Des the Business of politics? A.
les WON'T TELL WHO PAYS HIM
oArd Won can make your living at 1t. can't
vo,,o A-Wer don't know about that.
o-You are not starving. are you? ADO ioA
| like it? G.aughter) .,,,o order
The Chairman-Gentemen. we must nave '''
mere 3v efe salary were you getting when you gave
| :. H. 10 Seventy-fve hundred dollars year. ~
isSt ysaIa-y Of 81 800 year to take , ths
position? Were you not getting o wers Clerk A.
he o'-What we're they? A.-what do you meAn'
other money were YOUR sources of income when you
| were clerk besides your salary Al ~
eThere were other sources? AnYesd siT in
| (Which produced an income cohs'e'"'' "
excess 1,O of & %er, ieeitimae? ANothing ever
passed my q naaS M I that business become the
deputy or assistant OF Mr. NTTKe So ' te me how
You You g gee YOUR money! Does Mr. Croker pay you
salary? Mo- sir. ro,,c organization pay you
oWhere do you get this money now s ' PERSONAL
salary is stopped? Al thihA 'n'' 10
Cts Thsn !! decline sS1 nt to Contempt ansMsp proceed
ings Now. l think Mr. Carroll ana Will se' "''"'
az rlS Son have some stock haven't you? Alt Is
persona awn yon any stock? Att is personal
'" o0Did Mr. Croker ever give you any ''0cK' A.
NOT pp 10 ANYBODY ever give you any stock o.
company in which Mr.. Croker is stockho'der
AoGave we YOU ever had any stock in the consoli
dated Ice Company? A-That is a personal matter
an Mr MossNWili YOU. Mr. Chairman please to
direct the witness to answer the ques a nf tho ex
line lion his seems to be relevant the matter
under investigation, and 1t seems 10 DC p'0P'
quesnon ot ior will ask him preliminary question.
o-Will the answer to that question tend 10
| incrimtnate you? A.-No, sir. s.a,L,
! OWN 1t tend to convict you OF CRIME A.
No, s sWNil it tend to degrade you? A.-NO sir
MIR. MOSS GIVES WARNING.
o-Then ask that you he directed to answer It,
| We will get some Of these people iocheu up i0
| contempt before we get through
| The Cbairman-I think l will have TO direct you
| n answer the question, Mr.. Carroll lie o.
| The Witness-I sorry that l. wal nave ~
| decline. .o,,,-
| o-Wm YOU deny that you have been STOCK
| holder in the Consolidated Ice Company Al
decline 10 G anSmTn are you partner of James
Mahoney. interested in poorooms in the CITY oi
New WbS don't YOU decline to answer that Dues.
ton? A.-Well. because feel ike ahs"e''"s' '"'''
10 Mr. r. Moss-Mr Chairman YOU will see that the
declinaon OF the witness Is nGr upom ani9us and
or proper grounds. 1t IS entlrey S III hIuseIf
vhims steal and for the purpose OF shielding nlnseI
from something he imagines WIZ p % declined TO
he had been consistent he would nave hecsuse
answer that question regarding Mahoney DeSaI hi
it touched his private ataips' Il and he cannot
| Ppnsrer some questions and decline 10 anSW ~
Others will please have II sprea IA TO eP the AS
record for the purpose OF suomtuhs , ~ ytend s
sembiy. and hope the Assembly VIII eA'e"' 10
session ~, a,rman-Mr Carroll wish to state TO you
now that the Assembly and this committee vo ondf o
authority from Me Moss has propounded
ask the photographer to read the question ag, gam,
| The Stenogra pher-Have you ever had any s'o0N
| of tbe consolidated Ice Company? . u
" "Answer the question Al decline 10 asMe Wa
| ON the ground that that Is personal matter ana
| ~ "And by advice of counsel? A-Yes
oWho has advised VIII y p% 5e Sullivan 1na' A
O-How did DR.. O Sullivan know was golns 10
ask you that question? Alt was any personal
oNHe hasn't been within fifty feet OF you2 A
Any Any XVI WV didn't you decline to answer about
james Mahoney? Did he advise you about ma ina.
A.-No he didn't advise about that mat Is r''''-
OFT may not be so ridiculous as you think,
| Mr. Carroll. Is the other question ridicuiouS-'"'
o-Then why don't you answer nersonsI matter
I don't think you have any authority to inquire
into ON my personal affairs What have done which ia
been charged with anything? ..
OIrhis is an inquiry and you are here to give
information and you refuse to give the INFORMATION
for reasons well known to yourself A'-for
twenty-five years . a. .~
O-No more talk. A-For twenty-five years
Q.-No more talk. A.-You can't shut me of
HOFFMAN TO THE RESCUE.
Assemblyman Hoffman, desire TO object TO TINS
uro ~ examination and to this line Of budozing
7 be,,evo each witness who comes before this COM
.,,,oo bas n right TO be heard and properly
heard and the question should be properly put
and the witness be permitted to properly answer
and II Is fair to the minority that is here to see
that everything shall come out as 1t properly be-
longs: but that this line OF examination s"ou'u 20
s1 n,,b IN this manner. protest