The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-02-23
it. the admissibiIity of the evidence of


that this investigation should be as
wide as possible, take as great a scope
as possible, and only yesterday, l be-
/ lieVe, there was a very strong effort
made to shut off expressions on the part
! of members of the assembly being pre-
scented before the joint assembly. for
! the very reason that there was a COM
mittee appointed to investigate all such
charges. Now, believe that this COM
mittee viii be competent to judge upon
| the competency Of the testimony that is
offered here, and don't think we need
to be fearful of exposing ourselves to
anything that is not legitimate or ger
name 10 this case. We certainly would
/ be competent to determine whether the
testimony offered is such that it would
have a bearing upon tine investigation
we are holding.
The Chairman-Mr. Evans, in case
Mr.. WINS does not come here at all
cannot get his testimony, would you
| then claim that the testimony you now
offer is competent to go before this
committee?
would not I would leave il TO the COM
mittee as TO whether they would hear it,
1 think 1t ought to be stricken out as q
legal proposition.
The Chairman-It would, then, be
hearsay, pure and simple?
Mr.. Evans-Well. 1 have given you
my answer.
Mr.. HOWELL would like to have the
roll called on that proposition. ! look
upon this proposition as a little differ
emit from jury, and l look upon Mr..
Jackson as a member of the legisla-
tive body and as a gentleman. only
the sentiment of the joint assembly has
been against his making known for the
reason that he might appear before this
committee
The roll was then called.
The chair announced the motion car
ried by vote of ayes toi3 noes
VISITED CHAMBERS.
Last question read) In answer to
that question 1 viii state that it was a
Sunday evening. 1 am not able to re
call the date. only by a circumstance,
the fact that Mr. Chambers had gone to
Park City and was not expected back,
or was thought not 10 be back, as l
understood a special train was to be
sent for him in the morning, although
l suppose that wouldn't be permitted.
Mr.. WINS came to me and found me on
the street, and said that Mr.. Chambers
would like to see me at his office. L
went over to the Ontario office. in the
Macintosh building, and held a con-
Versation with Mr. Chambers as to the
ACCESSIBILITY of my voting for Mr.. Nc
Cune In the conversation there | told
Mr.. Chambers that l had been voting
for Judge Powers and for Judge King,
and that 1 did not want to abandon
either one of them while there was
chance for an election We held gen.
eral conversation, lasting perhaps half
an hour, at the conclusion of which Mr..
WINS and 1 were about to leave, when
Mr.. Chambers called WINS back for
some purpose which he can explain
rbar he hero. hrrr nriOr.
going Ed said that he would see me
later-and by Ed, l mean Mr.. WINS. l
went to the Cullen hotel and after be-
ing there for a time, Mr.. WINS came TO
me and said that he had just come
from the McCune headquarters, and
had stated to Mr.. Fisher Harris sub
stantially the conversation which had
been held between Mr.. Chambers. my
self and himself, and that Mr.. Fisher
Harris had told him just before leav-
ing that he must secure the Jackson
vote tonight, no matter what the eN-
pense. 1 suggested to him at that
time that it looked TO me as though
they might be willing to use money,
and that TO my mind it was a bride,
and after a brief consideration of the
fact-just a moments consideration-he
informed me that he thought so, too
although he hadn't considered it up to
that time. Then he told me that mas
much as we We're both agreed on that
plan, he would request. as a friend of
his. that 1 never should vote for Mr..
McCune. That was the conversation
between Mr. WINS and myself.
Mr. Stewart-What was the last
statement? 1 didn't quite understand
(Answer~read.)
WINS WAS CONVINCED.
Is there any other matter. Mr.. jack
son, you want 10 state in connection
with that The next morning Mr.. :
WINS sent a messenger to my house at ;
quite an early hour, perhaps 6 o'clock, /
requesting that l meet him in the I
morning and go to breakfast, and he /
came down there with a carriage, and /
on the way up he said that he had /
been celebrating over the matter, and I.
concluded that our conclusions the /
night before were correct; that it was I
the intention of Mr.. Harris TO make a 4
bid for my vote. l am not attempting +
to repeat his exact conversation, but !.
he said he deemed il was a very rep (
action, and suggested that I /
go to the knutsfOrd hotel and meet 4
Judge COlb0rn and discuss the matter; /
and when / got there we aid have a 1
| am not prepared to state |
Mr.. Colborn or Mr.. WINS had !
had a discussion prior to that time or |
not, because | don't know wasn't I
present. Mr.. WINS again told him all (
that had taken place. and. after a de- ]
liberation over the matter. in view OF .
Mr. WINS statements, ii was agreed, |
upon his suggestion, that we should go I
and seek an interview with President /
Lorenzo Snow of the Church of Jesus /
Christ of Latter-day Saints and lay this {
statement before him.
Mr.. Dickson-If you think that is
proper or desirable, go ahead. If your
own sense of Justice
Mr.. Evans-I don't know anything
about this part of it. Mr.. Dickson.
MIR. Dickson-You do now know
about it.
Mr.. Evans-I don't know anything
about il at all.
Mr.. Dickson-Follew your own judg-
ment. now
Mr.. Evans-I will leave it to the
judgment of the committee.
Mr.. Dickson--I make no objection; l
leave it TO your own discretion and
sense os Justice.
Mr. Mansfield object to that
heard that statement on the floor of
the joint assembly this morning; it has
nothing-no connection with this case
at all. and 1 decidedly object to hear
ing ANYTHING of the kind.
MIR. Sorenson-YOu have started to
hear it; / am willing TO hear it all.
Mr.. Stewart would like to ask Mr..
Evans what is the object of this?
Mr.. Evans don't know anything
about Il: l heard some rUmors-
MIR. Van Cott-I viii ask Mr.. Jackson
to go ahead.
Mr.. Evans-I heard a rumor that it
had been attempted to be brought to
the attention of President Snow. but
that i. never had been.
Mr. Stewart-What difference would
that make IN rha bribery?