The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-02-22

that he had received money-that h'
himself had received money.
And his reference in that respect wa:
to Mr.. Thatcher? Yes.
And that was the only disclaimer Mr.
Cook made, as You understand il? Yes
sir.
WHY LAW REALLY DID LIE.
Re-cross examination by Mr.. Dick.
son:
Mr.. Law. you say. in answer to Mr.
Evans, that you lied on the occasion
referred to. to accomplish purpose
or certain purpose was your exact
language? Yes, sir.
That is what people generally lie for
isn't ito accomplish some purpose
1 suppose so.
That is what you generally lie for:
I don't generally lie.
Did you ever lie before? / guess
have; 1 am not no George Washington.
That wasn't the first lie you ever
told? / don't think it was.
And whenever you lied, you lied to
4 accomplish purpose? Why, certainly
And the purpose you were seeking to
accomplish by your lying on the oc-
casion that you gave was the defeat
| of Mr.. McCune for the senate? Yes,
sir-tO expose him.
And thus defeat him? Yes. sir.
You would lie now to defeat him ?
Who to?
To this committee. while you were
speaking under oath? No. sir.
! You would not lie now? No, sir.
| But elsewhere you would lie to de-
feat him? l said that / would lie to
that is what I said.
You are anxious To defeat him. aren't
you? Yes, sir.
And you have already mentioned the
occasion in question when you lied to
accomplish your purposes? No, sir.
You say so: haven't you? No, sir;
1 didn't say So
caSions; that wasn't the first lie you
told? / said that was not the first lie
l told, but l mean il was not the first
lie told in my life.
And whenever you lied on other oc-
casions. you lied to accomplish some
purpose? Very likely; l can't remem-
Der.
You do not lie from merely the lust
of lying? No; 1 have no particular
love for that occupation.
You were anxious to defeat McCune
before he ever approached you at all,
weren't you? Before l ever met him?
Before he ever approached you i'm
properly, you were anxious to defeat
him? Yes, sir.
FALSEHOOD DIDN'T TEASE HIM.
You say. in answer to Mr. Evans,
that this lie did not trouble your con.
science? No, sir.
Do lies that you tell trouble your
conscience, as a rule? I cannot remem-
Der when l told one before that
That is the only lie you can remem-
Der you ever told? l wouldn't say that
I haven't lied before in my life; l am
no George WASHINGTON
And since you came to years of dis
erection you have lied, haven't you? L
may have; yes.
To accomplish some purpose You
admit to Mr.. Evans, if 1 understand
you. that you might have said jocularly
that you had a scheme which would
put a stumbling block in the way of
Mr. McCune's election? l admit that
l may have said something of that
kind in joke at some time.
1t was joke only? | don't ever re-
member of making any such assertion
seriously.
But the joke in this instance mate
rallied into a reality. didn't it? I
don't know what you mean.
Don't you? Well. 1 won't take time
then. In what kind of money did you
get this s120? Sir?
In what kind of money did you get
this $120 and from what bank? What
S120
That the committeeman Intercepted
you about? In gold
From what bang Mccornick's
Do you mean to say that McCune, the
candidate for the senate, and you he
ing member of the legislature. were
in the habit of shaking hands when he
met you or parted from you after con-
versation with you?
Mr.. Evans-When he parted from
you?
] said that I don't ever remember
that having taken place before.
lie wasn't particularly courteous to /
the members of the legislature or to you |
at least? Welia$t wasn't considered I
necessary 10 shake hands with men
every two minutes.
Don't you know that these senatorial |
candidates, all of them, shake hands /
With the members of the legislature /
leave them after cOnversing with them, (
isn't that the rule? Mr.. McCune didn't /
follow that rule strictly.
When Mr.. McCune- Qnterrupting) /
In my case.
Not in your case? No. sir: I don't /
know what he done with others.
MEMBERS WERE sHADOWED.
Isn't it a fact to your knowledge, Mr.. |
Law, that for weeks and weeks that |
the members of the Legislature have 1
been Swallowed and followed to see !
where they were going. with whom they J
were conversing and all that kind of |
thing? 1 haven't been followed and |
Swallowed very much myself.
Have you any? Sir?
Have You been at all? Why. have |
heen followed around a little or heeled /
up as they call it.
How is that? | have been followed /
al ound and heeled up as they call it.
Heeied up. What do you mean by |
that When the legislature would ad-
journ some worker in the interest of /
some candidate would follow me up
Town.
You mean some heeler of some candi-
date, / SUPPOSE Yes, sir.
pia the followers of Mr.. McCune
shadow you? No, sir.
Whose followers were shadowinS
you? Well, Mr.. McCune's, Mr.. Kings:
that as during his senatorial BOOM
How is that? Mr.. McCune's and MIR.
Kings diG during his senatorial boom.
You were voting against McCune all
the time, weren't you? No sir.
Do you know OF any reason why his
followers should shadow you as long
rs YOU were opposed to him? They
iidnt particularly shadow me: they
would come along with me and ask me
10 go TO headquarters.
81 all events, you know from your
PERSONAL knowledge and observation
That the members of the legislature,
many of them, have been followed and
shadow ed for weeks? don't know any
thing about anyone only myself
Don't you know that ii has been a
cause of complaint on the part of the
members of the legislature that they
we're being Swallowed and tracked and
traced wherever thev went about the