The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-02-26
AFTERNOON SESSION.
Senator Evans Testifies and Mr..
McCune Cross-examined.

tined as -ollOWS:
Examined b. Mr.. Thurman:
You have been sworn, haven't you?
Yes, sir; sworn the other day.
Were you present, Mr. Evans, at NC
Cune's Headquarters when Mr.. McCune
came in and announced TO those pres
ent that Mr.. Law wanted to see him?
Well, l don't remember whether he
came and made a general announce
ment or not.
Well, did you hear him make any
statement? Yes. sir.
You were there at that time? Yes.
sir.
present? Why, Moses Thatcher was In
the room where l was.
DO you remember what Mr.. McCune
said? Well my best recollection is that
Mr.. AIcCune said that he had just been
telephoned TO by Mr.. Law; that he
wanted to meet him in the Wasatch
drug store.
You remember anything else that
was said by Mr.. McCune? Well, a, few
minutes after that l do; he and went
into another room there.
Was that before he went over to see
Mr.. Law? Yes. sir; I presume so; it
was Immediately after he made this
remark.
Well, did you or did Mr. Thatcher
there make any reply to him at the
time he spoke in the presence OF both
OF you? I don't think 1 did; I think
Mr.. Thatcher said something to him
about going over to meet him, but l
never took very much notice of it, to
tell you the truth.
Well, co you remember whether the
effect of it was that Mr.. Thatcher as
sented to his going, or dissented? My
recollection of it is that he rather en-
coura@ed il.
Did you say anything to Mr.. McCune
about it? After we went in the other
room 1 talked with Mr.. McCune about
What did you say, as well as you can
remember? Relative to going over?
Yes? Well, Mr. McCune, 1 think he
told me again then that during the
conversation that he had been tele-
phoned to to come over and asked me
what 1 thought about the idea Of &C
cepting Laws vote.
Well, right there, did he say in that
conversation that Mr.. Law
Mr.. Evans-Wait moment: that IS
leading; I object to it as leading. This
is your evidence, not contradicting
anything we put in in any shape or
form.
L will ask you to state whether he
said anything concerning whether Mr..
Law stated he would or would not vote
for him, or what he wanted TO see him
:or?
Mr. Evans-Why don't you ask him
what he stated?
Mr.. Thurman have asked that, Mr..
Evans.
Mr. Evans object to the question.
Well, 1 don't just know exactly how
it came up; that was talked about; but
il was a conVersation-that is what he
the ACCESSIBILITY Of accepting Laws
vote, but whether
HAVE HAD REPUBLICAN
HELP.
Well. what did you say? Well, I told
him that it was quite a question in my
mind whether he ought to do it or not;
I says we have been trying to effect
this election without Republican votes;
there was time that we could have
elected you with eight Republican
votes. as [ understand t, and we re-
fused to do it; we were opposed to it;
this is a Democratic fight, and that L
was very DESTROYS that we should settle
it with Democratic votes, and l says
that l would tell Mr.. Law not to vote
for you on the first or second ballot:
that if he came at all, would have it
that il be, say on the third
:
you found you were then one vote short
Of being elected, that you might con-
sent to having him change his vote;
that is about the substance; there was
some other things, perhaps, I said. but
that was the substance of our CONVEX
satior-
Mr. Evans-I would like TO ask the
gentlemen on the other side if they
claim that was not hearsay evidence,
- co1f o.
Mr.. Thurman-Well, do you object to
Mr.. Evans-If you say it is not, I
won't.
Mr.. Thurman don't think it is.
Mr.. Evans won't object then.
Mr.. Thurman-The object is to show
the state of Mr.. McCune's mind when
he went over there and what he had a
right 10 think and believe about the
situation in the campaign.
Characterization by Mr.. Evans:
Was this said in the presence of
Moses Thatcher The latter converse
tom
Yes? No, sir.
Did you hear what Moses said? At
The time when he first came in?
Yes, when ne was present? Why, my !
is that he said to him he !
thought it would be all right for him |
10 go over.
Nj. Law was not present, was he? |
No. sir.
Just a little chat between McCune |
md his supporters? Well, in the room /!
where l speak Of no one but Mr.. Nc /
Cune and l went in there at that time. /
And Mr.. McCune talked with you !
1t that time about the advisability of /
accepting Laws vote, I think, is the /
.Xact language you used? Yes, sir; |
think so; 1 think that is exactly it.
The thing presented TO you was the /
OF accepting his vote? Yes, |
iir; if rendered to him, yes.
So that you inferred from that, did |
rou not. that he had some opportun
~ at least of receiving Mr.. Laws vote?
supposed there had been some under
standing in regard to the matter.
He talked to you as though there had
,een a conversation between himself
md Mr. Law about Laws voting for
lin, didn't he? Yes, sir; he said some
hing TO that effect; of course l don't
emember the exact language.
AS though it were understood that he
ould have his vote if he needed it? No,
lot TO that extent; il was only the ad-
disability in case it could be gotten
Well, you say he talked with you
bout the ACCESSIBILITY OF accepting it?
les, if rendered.
In case it could be gotten? Yes, if
as 1 understand it.
What time did you leave headquar-
ers to go over to the joint session?
Veil. I don't know exactly; il was af-
er McCune stepped out; I went into
he other room there.
Did you see Mac step out? Yes, sir;
think so: I think ne took his coat
nd hat and cane, if l remember right,
nd I saw him go through the door.
Why didn't you ask him to tell Law
D conne M TO headquarters? Wen, sir,