The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-02-23

Lake
How long have you lived in Salt
Lake? About eight years.
are you a man of a family? Yes.
Wife and children? Yes.
Where did you live prior to coming
70 ltah2 lived in Iowa before coming
to Utah.
man.
How long have you been engaged in
that business? About twelve years.
About twelve years2 Yes
Have you been employed on The Her
aid in this city? Yes.
For how long? Wei, with the excep-
ton of about a year, ever since came
TO. Salt Lake I have been on The Her
aid was on the Tribune, think, Tor
about a year.
Then you have been on The Herald
for nearly six years. have you? Yes,
sir.
Mr.. Hughes, are you acquainted with
e. G. WINS? Yes, sir.
And Z. NJ. Jackson? Yes, sir.
Are you acquainted with A w. Nc
And Fisher Harris? Yes, sir.
Did you ever have any conversation
with Mr. L. G. WINS respecting the
conversation which he had with Fisher
Harris about the vote of Mr.. jackson
10 DC gwen TO MI. MCCuIlef d. d SClA-
Rtorial candidate? Yes.
When was it? Well, we have had
several conversations about it, quite
humber. in fact I couldn't remember
them all The first time, TO the best
of my recollection, was about three
weeks ago.
What day of the week was it?
think it was Sunday night; I wouldn't
be positive whether it was Sunday or
not; It was in the night, probably
about midnight.
Mr. Dickson-This is as Questionable
as the other.
Mr.. Evans-I want to make the con-
nection which 1 think will make it ma
teriaI.
Mr.. Dickson-By this witness?
Mr. Evans-By this witness, in con-
nection with the testimony of Mr..
Wins.
Do you remember at that time
whether Mr.. WINS
ONLY A PRELIMINARY.
Mr.. Dickson-Ar. Chairman and gen
tlemen, I do not desire to take the time
of the committee so unnecessarily, but
if testimony of this kind is competent,
l must have forgotten all ever
thought knew about the rules of evil
dence. The attempt now is to show by
the witness, Mr.. Hughes, what Mr..
WINS said to him that he (Mr. Ivins)
had said TO Jackson.
Mr.. Evans have got to no teStl-
mOny yet; these are all preliminaries.
Mr.. Dickson-I make the objection
now.
Argued by counsel.
The witness-That WINS had with
Mr.. Hughes, 1 understood you to say?
Mr.. Dickson-Yes.
The WitneSs-XOu said Mr.. Jackson.
Mr.. Dickson-Yes; I misused the
name. Go ahead: let's see.
1 viii ask you if you think it was
Sunday night? My impression is it was
Sunday night.
At what place? In The Herald office;
in the office that he occupied, Mr.. WINS
and myself.
Mr.. WINS is the city editor? Yes. sir.
What is your position? 1 am his as
sistant
Now. in that conversation. I viii
ask you to stare whether Mr.. WINS
stated anything to you with reference
to the Jackson vote? He did.
State what it vas
Mr.. DicksOn-We object to it as ut
ferly incompetent, and my learned
friend, I am sure, must know it is in
competent.
Mr. Evans-You win see it is material
yourself when / get through with it.
Many other things 7 believe this wit
ness Will say: that is why l have been
at that time and place that Mr.. WINS
said to him that if ne could have Sc
cured the Jackson vote, Mr.. Fisher
Harris desiring MIN to, that he, WINS,
could have got one thousand dollars.
Argued by counsel.
Mr. Dickson-Well, go ahead; with
draw the objection. If you think that is
competent, go ahead with it.
DETAILS OF CONVERSATION.
State. then, all the conversation which
you had? Mr.. WINS came into the office;
he had been out that evening. and he
came into the office about midnight
and he sat down; he says to me, Il
could have had a thousand dollars Of
McCune's money or maybe more to-
night; and / said. is that so?" and he
said yes; 1 says, Did you take it?'
He said. No" l says, What did he
want you TO do for him." He said
that he had been up TO Mr. McCune's
headquarters, and had seen Fisher
Harris. and Fisher Harris had asked
him to go and see Jackson and try 10
obtain his vote for Mr.. MCCUne; that
ne had gone and found Jackson, after
considerable scurrying around, and had
talked with Jackson, and Jackson gave
him TO understand that he might at
some time vote for Mr. McCUne, and
wins said that he went back to Fisher
Harris and told him what Jackson had
said TO him. He then said that Fisher
Harris said TO him 10 go and get the
Jackson vote tonight at any expense
and / asked WINS then what expense
would there be in obtaining the Jack
son vote. what did he mean. and Wins
said: Wei. ! could only Conslrue it
that he meant that Jackson would take
money for his vote, and to get it in
that way" I said. would Jackson be
hard 10 find or out Of town or any
thing Of that kind that expense would
be incurred in getting him in any way
or was there any other way that OK
pense might be incurred? WINS said
no. 1 have just seen Jackson a little
while before. and he was at the Cullen
hotel. and there couldn't be any ex-
peaSe of that kind 50 far-and I said
further. Wen. what are you going 10
do about it, ] said TO WINS. but WINS
says, i can't do anything about it:
couldn't take Mr.. McCune's money
without delivering him value or doing
the service that he wanted. that was
suggested by Harris, and wouldn't do
that and not bs-snd not keep faith
with Harris, il I cook his money, and
] couldn't do the other. and ! am not
going 10 have anything to do with it,"
That was the substance Of the CONVEX
satiOn-
AGREED TO SAY NOTHING.
Is that all you know about it, Mr..
Hu.hes2 That IS all that I can remem-
Der: we had different conversations
absIt il different times, and WINS and
1 consulted together and agreed that
we-that l wouldn't say anything about
Il. to anybody. and he said he was not
going TO tell anybody about it, either: