New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-04-25
Roundsman. Call Sergeant Flood back there
Please SERGEANT FLOOD CAUGHT.

Sergeant John II. Flood il sworn
MI. Clarke-what have you been doing the last
three hours? Al have been reading
Q-You have been out in the hall? Ayes. SIT
Q-Have you talked TO every witness that went
off from the stand? A.-Not every witness.
O-Did Won talk to any one? A.-Only one
Q-Who? A-5ergeant Edward O'Brien
O-From the SEVENTEEN Precinct? A.-From the
o"What aid you talk to him about7 A.-Nothing
special. How he got along ,i,s ,, ,ocrr-sd IN here
and S rsat he y ,es, sss about 1 A-No sir
Q-Is he the only officer you talked with? A.
The only officer who testified talked with 0'ner
o-Havent you. as matter Q, fact, talked with
have not. i have had no interest whatever IN pro-
ceedngs that took place here and got away Nv ny
Q-Is that actually so. Sergeant! A-Ihat II
The Chairman conversation took place be-
tween you and Sergeant OBrien? AnNotn mr. s *
ow ASH the question discussed of his having been
Mr.. clarke~Did you say anything to him? A
ODD you ask him what questions had been
Con what line he had been Intercepted? A
S." v TT interest had you in finding out what
that anybody would naturally have In the proceed
Q-rhen why didn't, you speak to the other Of
6cers? A-Because didn't have interest enough.
eesnt Edw nna oren who had been transferred
10 the Seventeen Precinct three days after the
meeting OF the sergeants? Al had no particular
o. understood you to say you had particular
interest to talk to him? Al say now had no
Ole didn't first address you? Ayes. he did;
the reason that you talked TO him was because you
had an interest? A.-Of course. had an interest:
that policeman would naturally have in proceed
ings Of a body OF this kind
these captains and inspectors said Al had an In
teres In them. too. 49, -
didn't speak TO them? A.-No
Out with OBren you did have an interest
which led you to talk TO him. Is that so? A-No,
1t Is not so.
GILHooLY RECALLED.
Thomas F. Gihooly recalled.
Mr. Clarke-You said you presided at meeting
Ayes
Odd you appoint a committee? Ayes, sir.
Q.-Conslsting OF yourself Powers. Of the Sew
enty-ffth; Walsh Of the Thirty-hfth and Walsh. Of
the Eighteenth? A.-No sir
Q-WelI. what mistake have made? A-Walsh
OF the Eighteenth
Q-You went with them? A.-Yes.
Q-Where did you go? A.-To New-YoTk - .,,..
were looking for an increase of salaries-bigger
salaries.
Q-How much did you want your salary increased
to? A.-There was no stipulated figure.
0ope th9Ssand seven hundred and fy dGsTs
what you went down to speak about first? Ayes
Q-You said first; what was the second? A
How?
Q-You said first what was the second? You
said that was what you spoke about to the Chief
first. What was the second thing? Al spoke to
Q-You spoke to him in order to get his permits
sion to have bill produced in Albany to Increase
Q.--what did he tell you? Did he approve of it?
thing just now; that the Mayor would not approve
YOU to say that he based his proposition the
ground that the Mayor would not sanction such
bill? A.-Something like that
Q-Is that what he said to your committee? A
Q"Dd he say that? Did he tell your committee
that time as reason for not permitting you
to have such bill INTRODUCES that the Mayor
would not sanction IL? Ale thought IL was
Q-No. no. Aust minute.
Q.-You can state that afterward. ! ask you
whether he told you that at that time? A.-That
was his Is remarks ,Sna ,,s3e, A-y..
oThe reason of opposing your g9ng to AMoany
f You'd IA not 10 yH@' Ys ''
Q.-DU you recall that as matter OF recoiiec-
Q-what else did he say? Al don't remem-
Der exactly
CANNOT FIX THE DATE.
o-was that all that was talked about by your
committee and the Chief? Ayes
Q-when was this call upon the Chief? A
day or two after the meeting.
Dwell. have got that date fixed yet
A.-well. don't know about what that date is.
/ don't know about that at all-the date.
Q.-Was IT in February or March? Al cannot
,,o.,It must have been either in February or
QNThere is no doubt about that is there? A.
Either In February or March.
Q.--At that time you knew certain bills were
pending in Albany regarding the police force. did
you not? "A bill was suggested something Ike
Q-You knew there were bills regarding the re-
organization of the force. changing the biparti-
san commission into a single headed commission?
Odd you have any talk about those bills with
the Chief? Al don't remember that.
Q-You don't remember? A.-No.
Q-You certainly think IT would have been like
talk with the Chief about legislation that some
reference might have been made to pending legis-
o~Are you positive Of that? Al don't recol-
lect about It's being talked over al all
chief about ' pending Tn iegslaiion ANo sir ''e
Q.-Never word passed between you and the
Chief or between the Chief ana your committee'
oI3Neyer made any, reference whatever to pend
Q.-You did not care anything about the pend
ing legislation. did your A-weil it would not ar
eli might asst the present 9Tsa9natiOn pref
o~Yon think It would? Ayes
.2SrAnd yet you don't think IT., that he said any
large body OF officers to wit the roundsmen, when
you went 10 him about having bill introduced to
raise your salary-never word about the pending
legislation? A.-No.
Q-Naw roundsman, did not the Chief tell YOU
to raise $l5 apiece to defeat the bill then in AL
bany? A.-No. sir.
Q.-And didn't he say that your positions would
be made permanent? A.-No. sir.
WAS RETICENT WITH THE CHIEF.
Q-Now. roundsman's position is not perma-
nent position; It is assignment, isn't It? Att
is assignment at the present At the present
time 1t IS not permanent position 1t should be a
permanent position
Q-That is. your new appointed roundsmen. you
think. should be construed 10 be u permanent po-
sition? Ayes; that Is question.
Q.-It Is a question whether or not a roundsmau
Is permanent grade or a mere assignment? A
Yes.
Q.-Is 1t not a matter OF very considerable i'm
portance TO roundsmen whether they have grade
or not? Ayes.