New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-06-02

H>orge p. Hammond. IT., Joel ;. HarTis Charles
> Dillon and John r Wood were the witnesses
Examined by Mr.. Moss yesterday before the
Maze, Investigating Committee Their testi-
mony follows in full:
MOSS TAKES A FIRM STAND.
INSISTS THAT HE SHALL BE PROTECTED
FROM INSULTS OF WITNESSES
The Chairman called the committee to order at
1875 a.
Mr. Moss-Mr Chairman In Introducing
The Chalrman-Pardon me Just moment.
This aisle must be kept clear
Mr.. Moss-I suggest that one be allowed to
stand there except the officers of the day.
The Chairman-We have to have this place so
that we can come in and out.
Mr. Moss-Mr. Chairman. In introducing the first
witness for the day want TO make short state
rnent as 70 the purpose and reason for the giving
OF testimony. The resolutions under which this
committee are acting recite certain conditions.
which II is alleged. exist and which, In the pre-
Injnary report. were stated by the committee TO
exist Those conditions have already been consid-
erably illuminated by the conduct OF certain wit
nesses upon the stand. have always been Will
,ns and am still willing. and will continue TO be
willing TO subordinate my personal feelings and
my personal pleasure at all times. even to the
malice OF the witnesses. II II be necessary 10 ex-
b,h IN their persons and IN their action the truth
OF the general accusations which have been MADE
for that reason that 1 nave many biHeS ic-
fused TO resent direct insults offered TO me by wit
nesses on the stand, because have considered
What they did and what they said were OF the
strongest kind as illuminative testimony, showing
the conditions which have been alleged TO exist
I venture 10 say that no legislative committee
has ever sat In this city. or In any city In this
State and received the abuse. both as members
OF the committee and counse-I do not believe
sny such COMMITTEES has ever been treated with the
,mpertinence and impudence by witnesses. or with
so much concentrated opposition. And think IL Is
n proper thing TO bunch all that class OF testimony
together In our minds and see what II has shown
VIA, II leads TO- 1t shows that we. as commit
fee and as COUNSEL make this statement AFTER
consultation with my associate here-it appears
clearly that we stand against an organized con-
ditiou in the attempt 10 develop the facts because
10 the simplest. the plainest. the most straight
forward the most gentemany question that coun.
sci can possibly frame. are made
osULLIvAN INTERRUPTS
Or OSullivan rises TO speak,
Tho Charman-Now doctor sit down.
Mt O'Sullivan-I ask you to hear me-
The Chairman--No; sit down.
Mr. Moss-I am tired Of this kind OF interruption
from Dr. O6ullivan / am the counsel for the COM
nittee and you are here by suherance.
The Chairman-You Et down, doctor
M O'Sullivan-I ask the stenographer TO note
that this gentleman is making a statement
nothing at your request
MI Moss-Mr. Chairman
The Chairman-No, Mr.. Moss. Do not interrupt
the proceedings, but continue with your state
ment
Mr.. Moss-1 will not interrupt am here to do
my duty.
Mr. O'suIl,van-Are we here to receive testimony,
or are we here to receive the bold and unqualified
statements Of the counsel. who yesterday was &C
cused by witness the stand with having COM
mitted crime and who has not yet answered that
accusation?
Ivan from this committees work. We might as
we, settle this question right here must be
free from these interruptions by DR.. OsuiiiHn'
and must be allowed TO continue in my work as
counsel for this committee. II not. he must be ex-
Guided from this committees work or will have
10 retire from It.
Mr.. osuliivan-I am here before the commit
tee
The Chairman-You must take your seat. doctor,
you must sit down.
Mr. Hoffman, desire to say don't believe II is
necessary at this time TO sum up any part OF the
evidence II Mr. Moss desires TO sum up when the
evidence is all in I believe in giving him the OPP
rortunity but don't believe II is necessary at this
time thai the testimony be summed up. The com
rttee is here hear the evidence, and think the
committee ought to be given credit for some COM
nonsense in knowing what takes place before It,
II 10 absolutely unnecessary THIS continual sui
ming up.
Mr Moss-Now. Mr. Chairman am I to proceed?
The Chairman-Yes, sir; go on but make 1t as
brief possible.
MOSS REBUKEs MAzET.
Mr.. Moss-No sir: I will make it as long as
think II is necessary.
The Chairman-Well, make 1t brief you
think you
Mr.. Moss-You remember Mr.. Chairman
that you put me here in this position not only to
stand these remarks but to take the brunt Of all
the attacks and I know what that means. I do
not take UP time unnecessarily When II is mat
ter Of my feelings they are Of no consequence. but
this is matter OF the work Of this committee.
Now had just tried to say that the conduct Of
these persons. evidently proceeding by concert.
shows what we have 10 contend with, and what We
as counsel this side OF the bar, have TO con-
tend with. and II has become necessary. account
of the latitude that witnesses taken 10 them
selves 10 take the time Of this committee for the
explanation Of matters which are not germane to
the issue. In the OF Captain Price Yesterday
questions the simplest the painest the most gen.
tlemanly possible. were asked him. and he instead
OF answering those questions. turned about and
began a TRADE against counsel which II 4, was
true was Of no consequence whatever TO this IN
vestigation.
Mr. O'sulvan--Oh. oh. no.
The Chairman-Dr. o'sullivan. sit down
Mr. osullivan-He actually charged this gentle.
man with crime
The Chairrnan-Dr OSulvan. II you repeat this
will exclude you from the room and from any
connection with this committee. warn you now
Mr. O'SuIllvan-There is no occasion for Mr. Moss
20 defend himself
The Chairrnan--Now DR.. O'Sullivan. you repeat
this performance. ! will exclude you from this
room. am trying treat you with all fairness
and hope you will do the same with the commit
tee.
Mr. OSullivan-I recognize that
The Chairman-You must not interrupt Mr.. Moss
We will hear what he has to cay.
o'sULIIvAN SUBSIDIES.
M O,Sulvan-yerv wall very well