The Guthrie daily leader. [volume] (Guthrie, Okla.) 1893-1996, 1899-08-04

The Interview With GarlbaIdi
Csrses Much Comment ia
Rome.

recansly, has carsed great excitement AZ
the Vatican and much annoyed the cardl-
mas belong .ng TO the group which has
not abandoned al hopes Of reconciliation
with the monarchy The group eompris-
ing the Cardinals devoted 70 the triple
alliance met yesterday. a member Of the
sacred college. who belongs neither to
this nor TO the opposing faction and VINO
was formerly nuncio IN a great capital
and Is thoroughly familiar with the COM
plicatlons and difficult es Of The dlplo-
matte position Of the Papacy gave me his
opinion on the question raised by the in
I tsrv.ew.
with the exception Of few narrow
minded men, he said every one among
the higher Italian elersy Is convinced
the temporal power such as existed be-
fore 1870. has had Its day and that an sb-
5olute restoration Of the status quo would
be a calamity for the church OF Rome.
No. what was thirty years ago .i5 I'M
possible now"
People are accustomed to lay iusttu.
lions which imply many things incompat-
iole with 8 clergy government We are
convinced that such a government would
not last long, nor exist amid struggles
such as disturbed the re gn Of Plus XI.
mo serious thinking man car wish tho
Holy See to return 10 such a painful sit
uation
Besides in this matter, we are obliged
TO consider the tendencies Of the foreign
episcopate. We know that the American
| ep!soopate. which ls sincerely national,
regards the restoration of the temporal
power as dangerous and useless. 1ne most
intelligent part Of the French eplscopate
holds similar views. The German and the
Austrian Bishops. whatever their private
opinions, are obliged to avoid an attitude
which. aiming at weakness, m ght injure
the Triple Alliance Even the Ponsh
Bishops understand the claims OF Italian
patriotism and would not admit that the
Papacy became an instrument OTTO rture
for the italian nation.
POPE's TEMPORAL POWER
practically only the spanis.I a-d Portu-
guese episcopates are uncompromis!ng
| temparolists. 1t is no lack Of respect to
them to declare that the .eading forces
upon which the holy fathers can reckon
TO be found today are in America and IN
France and the tendencies we have rather
60 consd der are those Of the American
and French eplscopates."
Does this mean that remuneration Of
the temporal power has become a possi-
biity2"
mol Whatever has been said and writ
ten the Pope can only be truly free and
Independent in territory which belongs TO
m nomlnally II not exclusively. Many
Italian and foreign prelates think that
the practical solution of this serious prob
lem IS only TO be found in a Repuodc
wh ch, organized on ederal lines could
create in Rome system of nominal SOW
erelgnty for the Pope, which would In
sure his effective independence without
infringing on the principles Of national in
( tegrity
LAS General Garibaidi has well said no
compromise is possible with the Pope who
can tolerate the presence Of crowned
sovereign IN Rome.
III we had wished to negotiate with the
existing regime we could have obtained
good conditions It only depended upon
us 10 accept the Leonine City, with CIV
ira Vecchia made free port.
Events may change and the Pontin OF
| tomorrow might find himself IN diffei
net state Of mind from that which pre-
walls az present, though there s nothing
20 cad TO the conclusions that among the
Cardinals who may be called to rule tne
church there Is a single one capable Of
renouncing the legitimate claims Of the
Holy See In favor Of a usurping dynasty
From this point OF v.ew It might be
supposed tnat the understanding between
General Riccltooi Garlbaldi and the Vatl
can was an accomplished fact"
II can say nothing precise on this pom
but / have reason 10 believe that thingi
have not gone 50 far as may have beeI
supposed. know that Garibaldi befor'
leaving for South America. saw severa
Cardinals who occupy the highest post
ions N the hierarchy, among others, Car
dinal Parocchi and perhaps, Cardina
Rampo.la also. From these conversation
arose the coavlct.ons that the talon dem
oeraey was no longer imbued with anti
elerlealsm and that the Italian prelac
ana episcopate on their side. enlightens
by the teachings Of Leo XIII, no lonse
entertain therl former preiadtees agaIns
republican institutions.
From this 10 believing that an unde'
standing would be possible at give
time ls no great distance. think, ndeef
that an understanding will be reached
but for the moment II 10 no more than
ptous desire shared by a great number {
Catholics"