The San Francisco call. [volume] (San Francisco [Calif.]) 1895-1913, 1899-01-20
REPORT OF TESTIMONY
TAKEN YESTERDAY

mittee of investigation met in room 10
of the Capitol building at 2:SO p M,
January 10, and the following testi-
mony was taken:
L. H. Brown, being sworn, testified
| as follows:
The chairman-You may state your
name to the committee.
A. Lewis Henry Brown.
Q. Do you know Daniel NJ. Burns?
Q. Do you know Ulysses S. Grant?
A, | do.
Q. Mr.. Brown, it has been asserted on
the witness stand here that you had
called some legislators into your pres
ence and intimidated them by stating that
If they did not vote for Daniel M. Burns
Grant.
The chairman-Yes, that if they voted
for Grant they could not receive any
patronage want to ask you if you have
called any legislator before you at any
time to discuss with him the Senatorial
situation?
A. No, sir
@. You may name the legislators with
whom you have discussed it.
A Discussed it with Assemblymen Raw,
Raub and Mcdonald.
A. Where and when did you discuss the
situation with Mr.. Raw?
A. think on the street if I am not
m Is ahGen sc along K street.
that you had with him?
A. The conversations I had with all
three were similar
y. DO you remember it?
A | think l can recall it.
Y VIII you kindly state to the commit
tee what that conversation was both on
your part and that of Mr.. Raw?
A. l was asked what I thought of the
situation and what the outcome would be
ana L stated that it looked like a dead
lock, and L thought it possible that Colo
mel Burns would either be the Senator or
name the Senator
Q. Did you state to him the reasons why
you had come to that conclusion?
a. No, sir.
Q. What reply did Mr.. Raw make to
A, Well, he seemed to agree with me on
s siuaL pTopoSition; particularly the propo-
the end. -
9 Did he give you the reasons why he
mad come to that conclusion?
A. do not think he did. do not re-
call it. at least iio' re-
Q. Was the question of patronage a
matter OF discussion in that conversation?
9. In any manner or form?
A. No, sir
q; Have you at any time since the cleo
cussed the question of patronage?
A. No, sir.
9. Neither directly nor indirectly?
A. No, sir
:, @ Have you done that in person or
through any agency whatever?
A. No, sir.
G. Or by letter.
A. No, sir
Q. Telegraph or telephone?
A. No, sir.
=. Mr.. Brown. where and when did Won
nave conversation with Mr.. Raub con-
corning the Senatorial situation?
A | think it was walking out of the
capitol II l am not mistaken, going down
either at lunch hour or after the adjourn
ment OF the Assembly, am not certain
which. 'e'iii
g g Al, will return once more to Mr.. Raw,
sation with Mr.. Raw concerning the Sena-
tor1a! situation than the one you have
mentioned?
A. No; do not think I have. do not
think | had any other that 1 remember
now now Mr.; Raw and are old friends and
but | don't know as we did.
q what Is your best recollection in
that regard? "
He would be the best witness to that ex-
tent-that is, he could be put on the stand
and could tell you whether we had the
conversation or not, but do not remem-
Q. Very we'll. Then returning to Mr.
Raub. Can you remember that conversa-
ton with Mr.. Raub that you have spoken
of?
A. 1t was similar conversation to the
one that l had with Mr.. Raw He asked
me what l thought of the situation and
L thing
And in fact, l presume that most of the
members have talked with different ones
about the situation; That is a common
occurrence to ask: We'll, how are things
today" or What do you think of the
outcome?"
@. am asking now particularly of that
conversation.
A. Well, a similar conversation. This
Is the extent of any conversation that I
have had with any one
9. Well, calling your mind directly to
this conversation with Mr.. Raub, if you
can remember it, state what that conver-
sation with Mr.. Raub, if you can remem-
Der it, state what that conversation was
A. Well, | remember remarking to him
that 1t looked as though 1t would be a.
deadlock-possibly for some time maybe
month and | thought In the end why
who ever Colonel Burns threw his
my judgment. That is all.
O. Did you lay before him the basis of
your Judgment in that respect?
A. No, | do not know as | did I 40
not remember saying anything further
about 1t.
!, Q; What reply did he make to you in
that regard?
A He seemed to think, as most outsid-
ers have thought that it would be the
same as had said; it looked that way,
at least.
. G.. Did the question of patronage arise
Raub? -'At
with Mr.. Raub concerning the matter Of
patronage directly or indirectly?
O. By yourself or by any agent Of
yours? VI
A. No, sir. In fact, 1 know nothing
about the patronage and hadn't any an.
thority to say so either.
O. Wen, we are not inquiring now into
your authority. We are only inouirine a =
70 whether you mentioned that matter at
all to him? al
A. No, sir.
Q. Is that the only conversation cor
corning the SENATORIAL situation that You
nave had with Mr.. Raub since the Tesst Ho
lature began it's session? o5is-
A The only conversation of any extent
II is possible that / passed him on tba
street sire and he said No change or dead
versation of any length or of any 10 co roa-
que at all; nothing only just passing
the time of day, something like that
y. Did you at any time after the alao-
I. or Mr.. Raub to the Assembly advise
MN IN any manner as to his vote IN tbe
Senatorial question? oti Tue
A. I did.
9, VIII you kindly state to this COM
mittee what that advice was?