New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-05-17

party is what is generally called ''rammany Hail?
o-And is that what is sponsor for your admin
lstrationy Mo; nobody is sponsor Tor my 40
o~Is that what you mean in your annual re;
port. that the great sponsor was yoursea! Az.
psrtS Would d'q be tuarned out and it would il
connected with any gambling saloon IN the city OF
would be driven out Of this town II as Mayor
did that 10, ought e be hung b. lied when he
said he didn't know the politics Of the police ON.
GERS. and that was because you judged 'na' IN the
Q.-Wait moment. have not finished A
Then put new question. -.
police officer in his position should know i. DO
you believe that the present Chief OF Police KNOWS
the politics OF all his officers? A-Not OF an OF
them. but OF those with whom he Intimately asso-
ciaes he does .
q DO you believe he knows the politics, Of al!
his officers. including the captains? Al don't
know He knows those with whom he is Intimate
Q-fs it a question of intimacy Alt is a aues-
ton OF Intimacy.
THE MAYOR GETS TANGLED.
$50 II Mr.. McCullagh said he was not ac-
quanted with the politics OF all his officers
Al said. rs he Republicans
Q.-You have just said 1t depended upon inti-
macy. How did you know he was intimate with
knows the politics Of ali hose officers you men
Q.-when he says he don't know all. is he tell
ing the truth? Ale said he didn't know any
Odd ne say he didn't know their politics as
Chief or as a man? A-As man, he didn't; he
didn't know whether they were Democrats or Re-
,oaAnd then you went to work and told him
didn't you? Al read 1t OF. yes. You ought to
know something about It; you were In the Board
what percentage of the officers were Republicans?
Al can't remember now; 1t was all In the pa
pers.
o,--seventy per cent? Al don't know. and
don't remember
can officers? Al told him
4And you told him the percentage Of the Re-
ffsa"s Asked a&e % yoS call that BIZ
craftsmanship? didn't you? Al don't recollect
bad kind Of 5i-Partisa%ships 40. Think Said
pointed 200 patrOlmen, and that had heard that
oyer a thousand of them were Republicans and
the iy ana s aTS was % pe IN
easy thing to do the Civil Service.
applying to the higher officers? Al don't recol-
lect. You read that interview.
and forming your judgment about his continuance
there? A.-No, was not
MORE ABUSE FOR MCULLAGH.
Q.-What did the Chief of Police have to do with
the politics of the subordinate officers in your
mind? Ale knew it.
had he to do with It? Alt was impossible for him
not to know It,
Q..,supposing it was so? Al didn't remove him
Q.-Why should you have discussed that thing
with him? A.-Because thought he was faklrj
Q.-Is that another reason that you removed
him. because you thought he was fakir? Abe,
cause the Police Board removed him and approved
81 talking to you he exscgye Of this
Ey ask you w Toas you got s
very fair front and Is insincere at heart. never
Q-And that is what you meant when you said
you thought he was fakir. was II? ,A.-Yes.
comm 1 sUa Phillips because q what You CON
sdered TO be dsprop1rtion in the po,ities repre- pre-,
Repabcan hs ' in their places although was not
compelled under the law but ! obeyed the sp ,i
oEwhy was that disproportion so uppermos. IN
your mind in your discussion of this matter with
Mr. McCullagh? Al thought it was very strange
that while you and others were IN na sooas
/ say, heard that; don't know that that Is So
0@ o.I ! Hi' hear rdn that9 Ayes. ~.
Q.-And then what you were telling 70 Mr. Nc
but / asked him name by name about these gen,
emen rs he Republican or Dem n%n The asa
but he did know.
SOMETIMES HE GETS HOT.
Q-You became very angry with him in that in
terview? A.-Sometimes get a little hot
O-You were reported in the newspapers az being
hot? A.-They report me many times az peifs HUI
Q.HYou have no occasion to find fault with that
criticism? A.-No. -
O.NWere you entirely satisfied with Mr.. Devery
when he was appointed? Al didn't know ana
uVl' Hn1 Won gone into Mr. Deverys record at all
az n police officer? Al had nothing to do with
his appointment , l., ,, ,o,,,r,ar,,
Al don't dictate the departments appointmentus,
Qwere you not interested In Il? a AS Sfiyerencs
| appoint one. IL don't make any uhierehoe
| TO me. -. - ,.,. ao,o,r,od
Serious charge was remaining pntried and undis
posed of Al think he hsI been Indicted and ac
foNThat is true Did you know also that there
itself which Nv was undisposed Of? ANO did not
The ta1so Of the old Beard y, IVES o so great na'
o ~oHIo yo aN know that the appointment Of M
Ts act Ct ( %T h af a"rf
don't know that / think they did It the same day
They assigned him; they didn't appoint him; they
oYou Know that you remember that? A oIc
came out n the To keow Mr. MOSS
| Dwell that is what We thoughtT Al got
ahead p ID S yoa know that it was stated in the
papers for weeks before this happened tnav ~. r.
be c6 made Chief? Al don't know that: those news
| papers wrote those articles
| FRIEND OF YELLOW REPORTERS
| o-IIow did they know It? A.-Oh, they manufact-
| ured IT, Ask some of those boys pointins 10 tne
| newspaper reporters). They VIII tell you l WIN
| help them. helped them 10 MAKE up '''e SUI
| rha, 4, ,ho ,yav thev make their living. | don't
| blame them; would do the same thing II was
| In their place. , rrho, g. y,ha,
| Q-That is, make up stories? A-iha' Is """'
| they do manufacture them , .,,. ,.o., ,
| o'-You would do 1t II you were In their place!
| That is telling fbs? A-They have got 70 90
| ~ ar they can't live In the newspaper business.
| OFF you were In their place. you wou,u 90 IL :
| Al had to make living and had no othe' way
| / would make 1t. ,,, 40
| O~By telling flbs? Al think SO. -, h..
Q.-How about 1t now? Al tell the truth when
| am on the stand. . -, a ,s.n-os,,or
| I'm your acts? Isn't II just as INCUMBENT UPON a
young In newspaper Once - u ue ~ the
| city or a Judge on the bench? Ale can maze
a living He has got 10 get out OF the ~ r,a
| IL,