The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-02-28

anything about my ambition: l haven
/ gone into that thoroughly enough to
/ discuss it with you.
! Haven't you? No.
You made this statement. did you
/ not, on Saturday evening. l asked you
/ this question, After he had made this
proposition to you, you were still talk
/ ing with him about the manner in
which he should vote for you?" Yes,
! sir. on walking along with him on
1 the public street, Yes, sir" ION
( the other side of the street. after this
/ conversation with him, you shook
/ hands with him. didn't you?" Yes.
sir Instead of shaking his two fin
gers, why didn't you shake your fist
/ under his nose dnc say, 1 don't want
your vote, sir ?'' You have had a bee
! IN your bonnet u good deal yourself.
Would you shake your fist under some
/ body's nose if you thought there was a
chance to further your ambition in
that line?" Yes, sir.
a QUESTION OF AMBITION.
Now. sir. didn't you mean by that
| question, that you were trying to get
ms vote for the purpose of. furthering
your ambition? Possibly.
II then you We're absolutely certain
! OF election why did you want to get
ms vote? [ didn't care whether
I got his vote or not; simply told him
not to vote for me on the roll call.
That is what you said to him2 Yes.
/ You turned upon me and said that
/ you were trying to further your AMI
/ bltion TO be elected senator, CT words
4 TO that effect; you were asking for
votes at the hands of a member of the
| legislature; that was the intimatiOn.
was it not? Yes.
/ But your ambition according to your
| own statement was about to be full
! filed? Yes.
! At that particular time? Yes.
And yet you say you asked me if I
would do a thing of that kind when 1
was trying to further my ambition;
weren't you trying to further your
ambition when you were dickering
there?' Don't you think 1 was?
Well, We're you? ] was.
Then you were not quite certain you
were going to be elected? I was quite
! certain
Then your ambition would already
have been fulfilled, would it not? Yes,
to that extent, to the extent of the 81
votes.
Still you were standing on the corner
| of public street in this city dickering
about a vote after a man had made a.
dishonorable proposition to you? l
wasn't standing on the corner of the
street.
You stood there and shook hands?
1 did and passed on.
And right then and there, according
to your own statement you told him
that if he voted for you not to vote on
roll call? No. sir.
You didn't swear to it? No, sir; it
was crossing the street.
Didn't you swear that, standing on
the corner of the street.? No.
That you said that il he voted for
you to not vote on roll call? No, sir;
1 don't think 1 did.
You didn't say that? 1 don't think
so.
Are you accustomed 10 shaking hands
with people on parting from them?
Sometimes.
Sometimes? Yes.
I ask you if you are accustomed
do it? I said sometimes.
Well, you mean sometimes you are
accustomed to it; mean what is your
custom? l don't know my custom.
What is the rule resecting that mat
ter? In some cases / do.
You just shook hands with him in
the store a few minutes before that?
Yes, on greeting him.
Yes, on meeting him. I guess it is
very seldom that l have met a legis-
lator or parted with him that 1 have
not shaken hands with him on parting.
MIR. DickSon-Didn't put your arms
around him 1 suppose? No, sir.
NOT THE SENATORIAL HUGGER.
BY Mr.. Evans:
You are not that afTectionate then?
No.
l wish you would describe to me.
Mr.. McCune, just how you walked
across the street there, on which side?
1 was under the impression that 1 was
on that side, but they have all stated
l was on this side and L couldn't be
positive enough on that so that
would accept their proposition.
Just put it according to your own
impression. Do you want to have him
with me?
Yes, viii in this instance only.
(Witness indicates.)
What did he do after he did that?
1 don't know whether he simply shook
hands with me and passed onto de
scribe the exact manner 1 couldn't do
il.
Describe mlnutely how you shook
hands with him, just explain il to me.
I just held my hand oU. and shook and
passed right on
Took it out of your coat pocket? No:
I might have had iC in my coat pocket
part OF the way, but I had just shaken
hands with Shields on the other side
and sometimes when my hand is cold
| hook ms cane over my arm and put
my hama in the pocket.
You may have had it in 4 part Of the
way and might not? Yes; 1 couldn't
be positive.
You just shook hands this way? Yes,
sir
What did you say? I didn't say any
thing.
Not a word? I said good morning or
something of that kind and passed on.
Didn't say goodbye? I might have
said goodbye: I don't remember the
exact words that I used.
Have you thought up this morning
why you said to Mr.. Law over the
telephone, IF you have got anything
you want to say privately, don't speak
it over a public telephone" 1 thought
that up for you the other day: that l
hadn't the remotest idea what he had
or anything else: l supposed it was
something he didn't want to have
known or he wouldn't want to see me
alone.
He didn't tell you over the phone that
there was anything he wanted 10 speak
TO you alone about? No, sir; he did
not
Can you explain to this committee
why it was ! have had several leg
islators that sent to me-
Mr.. Dickson-Just explain what ne
said.
The Witness and told me that they
didn't want to come themselves to head
quarters.
say can you explain why YOU said
that to Mr.. Law on that particular oc-
casion? Yes. for the simple reason that
I supposed he didn't want to be fol-
lowed and watched and that he had
something to say that he didn't want it
known. he had his own reasons
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