New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-04-22
SATURDAY,
APRIL y, 1899.
| sz5 600 and $4,000? A.-No: I didn't want to malx
| you so envous OF the greater amount


OILS 1t $4,000? Al refuse to reply - any
further questions on this subject, pertaining To m5
private affairs.
The Chairman-The witness will answer N
question.
Mr. INC Moss-Doe s' Mr. Croker know that the money
that he is reseiyng n' Of yout hs
soma: :sss Rssy r: sS fss MY 5 e ssSy T.
not puoc sar ms Is b psiysse thnt M
oompany Sss here very sy nearly ali its bu.nsss
o. a nature that is not official: and you have ne
tiers pertaining to my affairs.
Odd you divide with Mr, Crokes the CONNIE.
another question refuse to answer.
o.-Do you divide only the COMMISSIONS that are IRE
received OF official business A.-That Is the sans
Mr. Moss--I ask that the witness be directed 70
The chairman-The witness is directed to answer
Al have stated Mr.. Chairman, my answer
o-How much money have you sent 20 Mr;
Croker from this company during the last Year,
Q.-Csn YOU ind OUT Al don't know; might
sent 9- TO Mr., yV croke eTS0'q A@No a' No.
Q.-Do they appear in any aceount-ooosT A.rNNo
Do t yog send send them by checks? Al don't
remember; possibly we might nave sent ohe'
oV ODD you Give il 10 him in money? Ayes.
Q.-Generay in bills? Ayes.
NO ACCOUNTS KEPT, OF COURSE.
$50 there is absolutely record on the subject
is there? A.--None that remember OF.
Q-Do you know whether his recollection OF the
hh ave to ask S NJ. Croker S1sts that hat
o.-You don't know about that? A.-You VIII
QeDo You know? A.-You will have to ask him
Q.-Do you know whether ne knows 90 you nnoT
don't know everything that Mr.. Croker does.
he keens N
Of these moneys? Al really don't know.
Q-You don't know how much you have s1ven
A-No have had very many financial n trsnsaed
lions. have five companies that ! am Inter, ntere''eo
o~Do you conduct all Of your uansactions IN
s e sm by S " a5 no
QIs that the way you are trs asssaIs me o
That q t. the the way am private a.
fairs in each compartment the stoekhoders,, , -.
s re 81 sns sre hey carried
means OF checks or by bills? A-They are earned
o'HAiways. are they not? A-Always.
A-And there are careful accounts kept or tnoss
o1 oMso that they can be traced and found. A.
you SU use Oi Mty Not always.
81 these hills always drawn out OF the bank
and handed over to Mr.. Croker as drawn from 'ns
o~They are made up in any, wsy that you hap 2,
money with me at tmes-considerable amounts
HANDS HIM "wAD" OCCASIONALLY.
Q.-Do you carry this money upon your person.
and when you feel like it hand it to Mr.. Croker!
A-That I would not care tell, because / don't
want everybody to know how much money carry.
o.~You mean that should understand that you
carry considerable amount OF money on your per-
for this very PgEpGse DO y2qhy, Nm. IN s1sn,.c
A-Where Il relates 10 my private end OF the com
pany-salaries that receive and disbursements tnas
o.~And commissions? A.-Yes: some Of them:
And does Mr. Croker recfse sos sne no from an
oDoes he receive money out Of your i holdn ling,
mind sie very w quickly about that Mr. Croker not
interested in any business propositions W.T. IN ne
terest. in the United States Fidelity and Guarantee
ctSS$R aNS, in any real e.tst. matters, Al.
has In the past been Interested bu, not since our
| administration has been in Office have not mad
o.-Has he no interest IN any real estate in which
you are interested AaNo o.. s ,.Sau,, .xo, .,v
Q.-Do all these commissions out OF which you
have made 70 N Fr IS appssr Sa ace
count OF every transaction In our once on our
o.~But all the moneys then. that you have given
TO Mr.. Croker appear on the books somewnere as
having come through your hands, don't they! A.
o-FIave you not in the year past handed Mr.:
Croker any money that came In some other way
O-What moneys have you handled? Al bought
and sold stock Cor Mr.: Croker In this company .
O-But said outside OF this company? A:-Out-
side Of this company? Pardon me; thought you
o"You have had no financial dealings with him.
then except what you have told us-no nnancai
Q~What other financial dealings. A-one other.
9-Whst ~ IS eS5poTs' sbs sale Of Eu-
d-what was that? Alt was a European Sc e.
country at all ,. $500
Odd YOU handle any considerable amount OF
money in that matter? Alt all depends upon
what ESu call c ,S amoun ob :, wa. not
very large large, ~. the amount, "A very little
amount.
PLEADS PERSONAL QUESTION AGAIN.
o-Ffty thousand dollars? A-That is per-
sonal question. | told you that II was not very
large amount
o-where was the money paid TO Mr.. croker2
Al paid the money to Mr.. Croker.
Q-where? A-Here n New-York
or to Europe? A-No
Q-Was the money paid to you in New-Yorkf
oIThis division of salary and commission that
yo have spoEsn o. EheG Sna pd al his
Q-And when how often. what times. A-Cn-
o~I ask you II you ever told Mr.. Croker, or gave
him TO understand. that the moneys paic him out or
this bond ny srs a1snds a and he reay
ala so understand IT, II really Is dividends on the
business that was done: II was not stock dvidends
n was a business dividend: that covers Mr.. Croker
GA business dividend OF the United states FL
delItv Company? Ayes. business dividend rom
our office that is 20 say. dividend on the amount
Of business: not stock dividend. but business
O-Any other stakeholder receiving such divi-
bends as that? Ayes: am
O.-Any other stockholders? A-None thaf
know o.. .,,
don't propose TO tell you. Mr.. Moss.
Q.-fs there agreement for the length or time
that IL is 10 continue? Al don't propose 70 answer
that question. -. -
Q.-When you asked Nj. Croker 70 90 into the
comnany did YOU make that proposition 20 him.
that you would give him share OF your commits
sions9 A.-No: did not.
ODD you propose Il 20 him yourself? Ayes:
I aid propose Il 10 Mr. Croker. 80
Oft was your proposition then was II! A.
Q.-where was it proposed. and when7 Al
'C 81 understood you to testify that you nrst