The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-02-26

amount of money that has been ex-
pended from the time you opened up
your headquarters? Yes, sir.
In the Kenyon hotel? Yes.
In cash; now, can you give me the
amount of money which you have ex-
pended along in those directions or
lines prior to opening your headquar-
ters? 1 don't know what you are get
ting at.
Locking toward securing the position
of United States senator? There is
none besides that.
Didn't you expend any money before
that? No. sir.
Not a dollar? No, sir.
You have no book account showing
for what purposes this money has been
expended, have you? No. sir.
Have kept none whatever? None.
How did you secure this money? Did
l secure it?
Yes; don't mean how you earned 1t,
but do you draw a check on some OF
the banks? Yes.
And hand the money over TO Fisher
Harris? Yes. sir.
And keep some yourself? Yes, sir.
For use? Yes, sir.
So that the money that is used, then,
during this contest is usually in cash,
paid in cash and not in checks? En-
tirelv-
Entirely in cash; you don't give any
one checks for anything? No.
Why is it that you have established a
rule of that kind? Because it is much
handler than issuing ,hecks all the
time for the different amounts.
COST OF CAMPAIGN.
Do you know what your liabilities are
for this senatorial contest since you
have opened headquarters? No, sir;
you mean in the future?
No Gil 7 IA
have incurred from the day after
Christmas up to the present time? No;
l couldn't tell you, because there are
great many men such as you have
questioned here that am undoubtedly
entitled to do something for.
1 am asking you about 1t? 1 haven't
the remotest idea.
You can give no estimate at all?
None whatever.
1t wouldn't be less than ten or fifteen
thousand, would it? You mean all told?
Yes2 No, suppose it would reach
that-before 1 have settled up, you
me2n2
Yess Yes: I should judge it would
reach that.
A., So that the whole amount would cost
you III the neighborhood of twenty
thousand dollars? Oh, no; should
guess it at somewheres between ten
and fifteen-I don't know just what it
will be.
After paying off the obligations which
you have incurred? Yes, sir; 1 have
incurred no obligations that I know Of
Well, L mean of these people who are
working for you? Certainly.
Have you paid hotel rent yet?
couldn't tell you; that is something Mr..
Harris could answer; he attends to all
that part of it; don't believe 1 know
positively what the hotel rent is.
Have you ever made payment to any
of these people who are working for
you? That cannot say; 1 have not.
Have you ever promised anyone who
is working for you any money as a re-
ward for their services? Individually.
you mean?
Yes, individually? No; don't think
I have.
You have made no promise to anyone
individually? Not that l can think of.
You have made no contracts what
ever with anyone? No.
Has your manager made any?. That 1
couldn't tell you; if he has L don't know
anything about it.
Did he have authority to make any?
Yes; he can make what he likes.
What were your instructions to him
about the use of money? 1 gave him
none particularly. except that he want
ed at the first there to render me an
account. anu L Sdlu- uOll wait any
accounts; ] says l don't want an ac-
count for the money, because if the
man wanted to be dishonest, he could
just as well make uD dishonest ac-
counts and beat me as he could in
handling the money straight.
But understand me; 1 want to know
of you what instructions you gave your
manager as to the use of money? Gave
him none particularly.
W haf n
struct:on.
AS TO when he should call for money.
or how much or how freely he should
use it? None.
You gave him absolutely no instruc-
ton? No; when he needed money he
called on me and got it.
And you think that out of this eight
or ten thousand dollars already eX-
pended that you have used as much of
it as Harris? Possibly l have.
You have not paid off the hotel bills
or the wages of any of the workers?
No.
Or any expenses connected with the
headquarters? oh, yes.
ALWAYS LIBERAL WITH MONEY. |
What are they? 1 have paid for
drinks from the bar by the score every
day; taken plenty of people to dinner
with me almost every day and a great /
that 1 cannot think of, that would come
in probably, would run into consider
able money, as 1 spend great deal of
money ordinarily at any time myself.
Well the fact of the matter is you |
have not much idea about how much ]
money you have expended, do you? No;
l have not
This eight or. ten thousand dollars is a
sheer guess? No; I think that l have /
10 ba full limit
What do you base that judgment !
upon? Money that L have drawn.
Have you examined your accounts? |
No.
Well. did you keep it in your mind? /
Yes. closely, as L generally do; 1 never |
kept an expense account in my life on |
any proposition.
That is what I am asking you about !
now, how you arrive at this conclu- |
sion that you have expended this much |
money? 1 know very closely what 1 |
have spent. that is, I know within a
couple of thousand dollars.
How much money did you give to the /
Democratic campaign committee?
Mr. Van Cott-Just a moment.
Mr.. Thurman-Let him go ahead.
Mr. Van Cott-All right.
Mr.. Thurman-If Mr. McCune don't |
object we don't care. 1 was going to
insist it was incompetent.
I couldn't tell you that exactly; but
t was somewhere about ten or twelve
thousand.
Ten or twelve thousand dollars? Yes,
sir.
To eject members of the legislature
and likewise the congressman 1 sup
bose? Yes. sir.
On the state ticket? Yes, sir.
Was that given to the central COM
nittee? 1t was given to a great many
committees. most of it was given to the