New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-04-11

Q-what bank Is that? Al don't remember.
Q.-How many checks have you received? Al
received one for January, one for February one
for March and one for April.
Q.-Four checks you have received? Ayes.
o.--what have you done with those checks!
GIN your own account? A.mfes.. vos
Q.-You have personal account A.-fes'
DIDN'T you have account In the same bank!
A-No. ~
OF may be the same bank. may 1t not? A-No:
Q.-What Is that bank? A.-The Filth avenue
Bank. -. o,,,-
pany's bank is in? A.-Downtown. Our money -
deposited in Trenton but this bank in New,York Is
Q.-You cannot positively give us any more pc
yong the pei PSp ,ha. the bank is either in Trenton
" o.NXnd as the secretary Of the company you
SaSs the %oney i 4
don't know: It might be in the minutes 90"
Odd you take the minutes? A.-No.
O.-Who took them? "A lawyer took tnem
Q.-But you are secretary OF the company ~
o.-Have you ever read those minYtes over since
they S Tfr' RR ey do: yeSt Ha AYe
Q.-Do they state in what bank the money was
to be cSer you you IN MEND fact that
there are other concrete companies In New horh'
o.-You wanted to protect your investment of
5ooc ddn 70 gOu' en A yo don't want any UNI
necessary competition, do you? Awe DON'T rear
o.-Yon don't want It? Ave don't fear it.
Q.-Of course. you don't fear 1t. but as business
man do you consider monopoly, a good 'hlns
.o'~when you let too many people in on a good God
thing It shrinks. doesn't II. naturally! A.-No-
body Is getting in on our system? ,,,,r =, :, 40
S dS As So H%t yO
wisdom to allow people In on matter whlcn you
have the control OF yourself? Al don't under
o.~Do you remember meeting between yourself rneh
and Mr.. Himmelwrlght and Mr. Briggs. IN WHICH a
at
proohng business was discussed? Ave taihed IL
O.-Yon talked over a proposition for bringing
other companies into line. so that they might o s
yo"ysnlxes Sdnt veus Ayes We didn't talk
about bringing them into line at all
HE SHOWS FokETHoUGHT.
o.-what did you talk about? Ave under
stood there going TO be change IN the law
or that there was Building Commission up there
and we wanted to have somebody represent US SO
we would be recognized under that law.
Q-Then the point under discussion was the work
that Is now being done by the Buildings Code Com
mission Is that so? Ave spoke Of work being
done we understood they were going to revise the
Building law
Q-Yes that is IT, of course. and you thought that
1t would be good thing to have In that code some
fireprooang didn't you? Ave thought we would
like to be represented. We are not at present; we
are not in under md the law tna' Is we are "o'
Q.-But you recognize the fact that the Supern-
tendent OF Buildings under the law or the Building
Department has the right to approve, not only the
terra Gotta system. but such other system as he
my o-why do you not endeavor 10 move upon the
Superintendent Of Buildings and make him ,s see
the terra Gotta? Ave are mot doing that. RE
knows our system, and II he'wants to let 1t in
Q.WDont you think that the law gives Mr.. Brady
P00S 10 e ySsr So yes
Q-But you say you have never done anything to
induce Mr.. Brady to amend his Judgment? A'--No'
Odd you know that Mr.; Himmelwright was
10 speak to him about the matter? Al heard
that talked In a general way: thought the
thing had all died out long ago. didn't pay any
Odd you know that he went to Mr.; Watson?
Or the Expanded Metal Company? Al heard
him talking about all the companies.
Q-And you knew OF his going to other companies
besides them. didn't you. A-No. sir. don't know
about his going to any companies
seen that interested in other companies about
Oh. ] have in my mind no such meaning Of
the word seen as you thinking of.
MOSS AS A MIND-READER.
Mr.. Osulivan-How do you know what he is
thinking OF?
Mr. Moss-I am a student OF human nature some
times.
Mr. OSullivan-That is very evident
OIL have asked you simple question which you
would have answered directly II you hadn't halted
upon the word seen" 1t Is very obvious. | mean
no personal reflection. Mr.. Croker. am not say
ing anything that is meant to be unkind. simply
want you to understand what my meaning Is.
ask you question. Didn't you know that other
men Interested in this kind Of construction had been
seen with reference to this Building Codes Commits
sion? A.-Do you that they have been seen
by some member OF our company? ., IA,
Q.-Yes. A.-That is a different question Alto
gether. =,
which you yourself took part between Mr. Hmme-
wright and Mr. Watson and Mr.. Wright and Mr..
Q.-Mr. Mccain is related to YOU is he not? A
oZAnd he Is connected IN the company. sub sub
stantially Mr. Himmelwright testified the other
o.-Not substantially 50? Ale is not connected
with company; no. sir. -,
@. Well, he Is attorney for 1t, Isn't he? A'-No'
O-What relation does he hold to your company?
Ale does not hold any relation to IT. ooo,
Q.-Hasnt he received retainer OF 5000? A
o.-How do you know he has not? Al never
seen any money given to him nor heard OF any
Q.-The treasurer. may not he have. given hin
some money without your knowledge? Alt would
O-You do not examine the books? Ayes sir.
81 have asked you questions about the finances ss
soutely no knowledge until this question was
asked you. Al know.
GOOD MEMORY IN SPOTS.
o.-You do not know whether your $1,000 was de-
posted in bank. you do not know whether 1t has
been drawn out. How do you know that 5000 OF
that $1,000 was not given 10 MT. Mcoann' us MI
Himmelwright has testified? Al know Ii has not
been paid by our company to Mr.. Mccain.
Q-Who has it been paid by? Alt must be
paid by the other company.
Ono: Mr.. Himmelwright testified that he did
not consider Mr.. McCann's estimate Of his services
at 5000 or $4,000 excessive because he judged by
the retainer he had received from your company.
when it was organized last January retainer OF I
Ale was never paid anything by our company.
Q.-Mr. Mccain did not deny that statement;
Whn was A maid by? Att have been paid
by the John A. Roebling Sons Company. IL was
never paid by the Roebling CONSTRUCTION Company.
O-What interest has the John A. Roebling Sons
Company in this matter of freproof construction
A-Mr Charles Roebling and the other Mr. Roeb-
ling are both stockholders.
O-You know Mr.. Mccain has received pay from
vour company for the purpose of representing II
before the Building Codes Commission? A.-No,
o.-You know ne has received a fee from some