The times., 1899-05-17


| teat he was utterly unable to reconcile the
| Two. he got very uneasy in his chair and
| repeated himself several times
| You have made serious charges here"
Mr.. Moss began.
! Il have made no charges against any
body the mayor said quickly.
| When you stated that you thought
there was combination between the
police commissioner and the chief which
might lead to the sale of offices, upon what
did you base your opinions?"
We'll. Mr.. McCullagh told me that he
would not make any transfers without
the consent OF the Republican commits
sioners, and that the commissioners would
not make the transfers without the con-
sent of Senator Platt. McCullagh told me
frankly that the reason he gave one of
the Republican members OF the force q
snap and put one of the Democratic po-
| licemen back on patrol duty was because
the Republican commissioners wished the
change. l asked him If he knew the poli-
| tics of the members of the force and he
said he didn't
What else did you tell Mr.. McCullagh %
asked Mr.. Moss.
| Il told him he was q liar"
why did you tell him he was a liar?"
Because it was absurd to think that the
|
his captains and inspectors. I thought he
ought to know and when he said he didn't
know / called him liar and ! think he
was liar. / thought he was a coward
and too small man for the place of the
chief of police
And do you think that the present
chief. your chief, is a truthful and brave
MANI"
81 don't know"
| Mr. haJ ri,
isfied with Chief of Police Devery's admin
| istration.
Il don't know much about Devery," said
| the mayor, but believe the city is more
orderly than at any time l remember it."
The crowd laughed, but the mayor seemed
to be in earnest.
Van WycI< and Poolrooms.
Are there any poolrooms In New York;
asked Mr.. Moss
Il think it very likely" said the mayor.
| DO you know of any?"
Il do not"
did you ever know Mr. Mahoney?'
Yes. for many years"
James A. Mahoney?''
Yes. We were stockholders in the same
| corporation several years ago.
You are interested with him IN real
estate now, are you not? You and Carroll
and Mahoney?'
No, have not been interested with
him in ten or twelve years"
Don't you know that your friend Ma
honey is at the head OF the biggest system
OF poolrooms in this city,"
Il do not. He sells pools on the race
track. l believe"
Haven't you heard that a man named
Sexton, man named Carroll, and a man
named Van Wyck were interested with him
in this noolroou hucinaSS9'
no. SIR" said the mayor. Then flash
ing up quickly he asked: do you mean
me?"
Yes" said Mr.. Moss quietly
''It is absolutely false cried the mayor
angrily. 81 have never heard any such
thing. Have you?'
Il have heard it,
"Will you tell me who told your" said
the mayor, still more hastily.
NO said Mr.. Moss, mot now"
"Will you bring him here?" cried the
mayor. rising up. viii you bring him
here and let me see and face him2 You
have made charges here"
Il have not made any charges" said
Mr.. Moss. II do not say that | believe
them; the mayors denial is on record and
1t stands
The mayors wrath had grown beyond
all bounds. He was boiling over with
and he shook his finger at Mr.. Moss.
You have tried to give out the impress
sicn to a civilized world that IL. the
mayor of New York-am interested in
poolrcoms in New York. l demand that
you bring the man here. II is not fair
that the counsel for this committee should
make such insinuations.'
Snbdued Rage.
Turning to the committee he said: 81
demand that you have your counsel bring
the man here. have some righ;E''
He was as angry as he could be. aud
Assemblyman Hoffman got angry, too.
Hoffman demanded that Mr.. Moss be fore
ed to bring his informant before the COM
mittee. He made an angry speech TO that
effect. which brought burst OF applause
from the Tammany heel9Ts in the rear OF
the room.
Mr. Mazet reminded the heated end in
digrant mayor that he had been foremost
in bringing ugly charges against men--that
he had made charges against Mr.. Hamilton
and had not given the name OF his inform
ant. The mayor did not cool down, ana he
drew his breath very rapidly. and looked
very dangerous cut 0f the eye.
Il think | have done the mayor a SER
vice" said Mr.. Moss. ION account of the
mayors long friendship with Mr.. Ma
honey these reports about him have gone
out. Before today they have gone un-
denied. Now he is on record as having
emphatlcally denied them. l think We IN
derstand each other better"
The mayor, who had broken in with
numerous angry Interruptions. seemed
Modified by this, and then proceeded to
tell about an old business deal with which
he and James Mahoney had been con-
nected.
About ten years ago" he said, there
was an enterprise in a small town in
Texas in which a number of men in this
city invested. Mr.. Mahoney and happen
ed to be of the unfortunate stockholders,
all of whom lost money in the enterprise
But | don't think because man happen
ed to be a stockholder in the same com
pany with me ten years ago that should
be held up against me-"
oh no." said Mr.. Moss. But you've
met and associated with him frequently
since-seen him often.'
Yes. but see great many persons"
In passing the mayor gave some views
upon the accuracy OF newspaper informa-
tion. He said the boys had to make up
stories" I've helped them do it," he
said.
do you mean to say that you have
helped the newspapers to perpetrate false
hoods?'