The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-02-25
floor Of the assembly when Law made

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I damn lie.
He is the only one you communi-
Gated anything TO about this matter
/ until these gentlemen spoke to. ,you2 !
( have talked to others about that par
ticular part of ii as TO the conversation
| between Sloan and myself. 1 have
/ talked that the very day Mr.. Law
made his statement.
OF what took place in that room?
1 You did not hear any conversation be-
( tween Mr.. McCune and Mr. Law, did
you? No, sir
They We're too far away to hear any
thing? There was no conversation
1 took place.
If you could not hear. how do you
know? They We're not there long
enough.
VIII you explain to this committee
| how they walked in: that Mr.. Law then
took a. seat and Mr.. McCune turned
around and asked you to come in be-
fore taking a seat? was sitting on
the lounge with Mr.. Law. Next TO
him
Mr. McCune asked Mr.. Law to come
into this private room, and did not any
more than get in there until he walked
out and asked you to come in. No,
sir; that is not it at all. AS 1 have
said. Mr.. McCune asked Mr.. Law to
come into this room, and Mr.. McCune
asked Mr.. Law to sit down, and then
he came right back to the door and
said, Bob, come in
You have consultation rooms there?
Yes.
Where do YOU hold your caucuses2
In an of these rooms.
Mr.. Thurman-Could not get all our
supporters in one room.
What reason did Mr.. Law assign for
wishing to delay voting? Only his obli-
cation to Mr.. Cannon.
You understood him to be under obli-
cation to Mr.. Cannon until that day :?
Under moral obligation.
That would be the day before yester-
day that he would vote? Yes, sir.
WINS CALLED AGAIN.
Mr.. E. G. WINS recalled. Examined
by Mr.. Van Colt:
You have already been Intercepted
with reference to going over to McCune
headquarters Monday evening. Now,
calling your attention to the same
Monday evening and after the CONVEX
satiOn at the Kenyon. when you went
back to The Herald editorial rooms in
the same evening, in the presence of
Warrum, A. c.. Reese and A. n. Nc
Kay, and the charges We're lying there,
the specifications that had been served
in which you were mentioned, on the
table, and 1 ask you whether at that
time, at that place and in the pres
ence OF those persons, whether, in sub
stance, you did not say to them that
when you had that conversation with
Mr.. Fisher Harris in the Kenyon hotel,
when you got to the head of the stairs
and he told you to never mind the eX
pense, but to go and get Jackson and,
if possible, secure his vote for the next
day. if you did not state then that q
carriage was mentioned, and that when
you were asked there in The Herald
editorial rooms what you understood
expense meant, Il you did not say then
that you understood the expense meant
the hiring of this carriage, even Il it
took three carriages TO find Jackson,
and that you then ana there said that
if this meant, referring 10 that charge
there, as it was then written cut, that
it was c. d lie; didn't you say
that then and there, at that time and
place and in the presence of those
three men? I say. no. The charges
were lying there and We're read, that is,
that portion referring to me, and l said
that if that was construed as q charge
that I had gone out to bribe anybody
or attempted TO bribe anybody, it was
a lie.
And didn't you also say and enter a
denial in reference to cost and expense,
and that you understood it to mean
carriage hire, or hack or quincy? 1
said the hiring of carriages was only
mentioned in the
1 didn't ask you that. Didn't you say
to those gentlemen 2t that time that
you understood ccst oraeXpense, which
ever it was used by Harris, TO mean
the hiring of a carriage TO find Jack
son? No; not in that conversation. II
they understood that it was, they are
mistaken. l mean TO say this, that if
this thing was construed that l was
going out to bribe Mr.. Jackson or at
tempt to bride him, or to corrupt him
or any one else it was a lie; of course,
the adjective might have been used.
Mr.. Van COtt-You did not mean to
bride Jackson? 1 did not.
Mr.. EVANSTON were very much i'm
pressed with the language of Harris,
were you not? Yes. sir.
And stated the language of Harris to
Jackson? Yes, sir.
And instead of saying, Say, Jack
son, they want you to come up there"
you went into detail and
Mr.. Dickson-We object to that
Mr.. Evans-Well, you say you were
much impressed by Harris words and
manner?
Mr. Van Cott-Do you mean to say
from that, from his words, that you
thought you were going to bride any
bodyH NO, sir.
Do you mean to say now, when you
think of what Harris said, that you
thought he intended to send you out to
bride Jackson?
Mr.. Evans-He has answered that.
e Mr.. Van COtt-The question has never
been asked in that way. Mr.. WINS,
thinking now of what Harris said to
you. of his manner and demeanor, ev-
erything that he said that evening, do
you think now that he intended to send
you out to bride Jackson? Judging
this matter simply from what Harris
said to me, leaving Mr.. Jacksons state
ment to me out of the question alto
gether. / had no such impression and
haven't it now, but
Mr.. Evans-But? Mr.. jackson. when
I said this to him, made the statement
to me that L made the other day on
the stand.
He impressed you that it was a sug-
gestion of wrongdoing? He did
You believe now, from those sugges-
lions, that it was wrong
Objected to as incompetent.
DUNBAR TESTIFIES.
D. C. Dunbar, called and sworn. Elk
amined by Mr.. Thurman:
Are you connected with the manage
ment of the McCune campaign? Yes,
sir: to some extent.
Who is the chief manager? Mr.. Fish
er Harris.
Are you acquainted with soren X.
/ am.
Were you at McCune's headquarters
last Saturday morning? Yes, sir; L
was.
Do you know about the time Mr.. Nc
Cune went out to see Mr.. Law? I re-
member the circumstances and about
the time. ! think it would have been
about 10 o'clock, or little after; that
would be my judgment.