New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-04-15
That don't govern the policy Of tn. Democratic


o.-The fact that you have some stock in your
pocket or that Mr.. Croker has some OF IT, does not
determine the policy Of the party? A.-No; II has
nothing to do with the policy.
Q.-That is. you take position against
It makes no difference il vow have some stock in
y your pocket OF those monopoes? A-No:
pocket the stock and clip the coupons? ALI we
Q-Have you got it7 A-what?
9-The stock OF the Consolidated company7 A.
81 am asking you again Al won't tell you.
Q-fou are man pretty well OF, are you not?
You are able to live without salary and with no
visible means OF support? ALI you say So you
,o-welI you have stated So Do you know any
you have stated f. and the legal definition OF a
Paupery II there there is any difference. what is it'
definition? '''"'
Mr.. Hoffman-Is that fair question. Mr. Chair.
fair and unjust. ''''' VI inquiry as I'M
Mr. Moss-can you answer that question?
Inc Witness-I did not pay much attention to
ne Inc Chairman-Read the question: Mr. stenos-
-, The Stenographer-Do you know of any difference
o oewe cen your own position you have stated it
any what e It pa IS one ubo there is
U.e means OF support What is the difference
is long distance between pauper and me '"e'e
foct hes mat Is In your appearance and in the
II? Al decline to answer ""e'e o'u you get
S- -Wsyi i at tand is personal matter
2'-Wim u tend TO degrade you? A-No
>,Q.-Will it tend to convict You Of crime,
Q.-Are you asham ID of IT? A-No.
WANTS AN EASIER QUESTION
Q.-Are you ashamed of the associates from
~hom you have received the money? A-No. Ask
me something about my public life. I have been
Tor twenty Live years holding Office
Q-You have been holding office QUIETLY and very
little has been said about YOU but when Won Ieay.
that once and the reasonable salary Won were
earning and adopt another course of life and live
without starving as you have expressed It pretty
without ~ any salary or without any visible
W vi. tne clty, II Is an interesting thing TO know
% enshen hUw SS DO s0s IL and you
Q-Then there is something in your record that
you cannot make transparent before us isn't there.
been out OF that clerks Office? A-Not that /
Q.-You dare not do it? A-Dare I?
ne 0Ieh US how you got it and what It Isl tell
TRat STOCK you have got You dare not do it,
Q. But you dare not do it, dare you? Why are
Dare w yon de +? that s Is simple GSesO
thing about my affairs.
question Dare you state the money t5St yo 90 re
c ce during the last thirty days? (The witness
,.Q.-Now, Mr., Carroll can stand these answers
II you can. They are Just as acceptable to me
any OtHer answers i am perfectly satisfied With
propose 10 do t.. You are making your record.
Dare you tel an me moneys you received and from
whom you received them. and for whom you re-
ceived them during the last thirty days? ADO
you want an answer to that?
Q.-Yes. Alt Is a personal matter; decline
to answer it.
CARROLL REMAINS STUBBORN.
Q.-Now Mr. Carroll. l am going to give you
chance 10 refuse to answer that question once
more. Have you read THE New-York Press" OF
this morning. Mr. Carroll? Al have not.
Q.-Do you ever read the newspapers? A-Oh,
yes.
GAS a public man. and man second in COM
mand in the great organization of Tammany Hall.
you do think 1t is important to keep track of the
matter nuB SO that a
Mr.. Croker and Peter f. Meyer are stockholders in
is a Commissioner of Docks in this city; that this
company, OF which you are fellow stakeholder, It
companies is now. through the Dock Department,
crowdng out OF business the dealers in ice who
have not yet been absorbed by the Consolidated
for the benefit of prominent members in the Tam
many Hall % d 1clSdng yourself hs,n d Mr.
through the agency Of Mr.. Meyers Dock Board,
one Of the boards OF this city That shows you
matter of personal concern We have already seen,
in the testimony of Mr.. Croker. and in your own
heads of the departments OF this city OF the or,
M of hh NJ NTH a snd
and giving them the reason for reiterating my
question: ask you again nave you ever ns,a seUrs
of the Consolidated Ice Company A'-i"e sdiio
the question. Mr. Chairman
The Chairman--Mr. Carroll direct you to an
'E Mr. HoffmanNH protest against this line Of ex-
animation and | protest, further, upon the ground
that It is not within the keeping Of st the e Se%
York that to investigate different depart
witness does not bring out any matter or TACT 70
show that corruption exists IN any department Vi
the city of New-York.
HOFFMAN is OVERRULED.
Tho Charman-I think the question propounded
nv Mr. Moss clearly indicates the line OF invest-
cation and the reason for asking this witness these
questions.
Mr. HofYman-The witness was asked as to mat
tcrs personal 10 himself nothing with reference to
any official department of the city Of New-fork.
Mr. Clarke-I call the Charmans attention to
the third line OF the resolution. referring 10 inc
object for which this investigation Is TO be held
TIM. corrupt and tyrannical methods have been
resorted to.
Mr. Hofrman-The question that has been asked
does not by its form, indicate any tyranncal con-
dition, as expressed by Mr.. Clarke. 1t Is only
personal matter. don't believe this committee
was appointed to look into personal matters.
Tie Chairman-He is alleged TO be Interested IN
a company in connection with cry uepdf tint me-
promoting its interests against those OF otner
companies Under the resolution. 1t is, In. my
Judgment directly in line with the course OF the
o. (Repeated) Al don't know anything about II
dwell let us take up something else, now, ana
Won can put yourself on record Al am satisfied
said. 49,, a. - .r,.,od ,h,s for
the record. -. 49,. -. r.ao-+ad to the
Legislature. 49, cu .h.. .ho sa,.r,as
Of many OF the city officials have peen increased
within the last three months? Al have read a
10 70 - have read a lot in the papers about II?
Have you never spoken to any one about II! A.
% % The only knowledge you have Of Il Is what
YOU have read from the papers? AMY, you
seen, 10 forget that 7 am not head or Depart
mont -. -. ,ho head If n de-
partment. ., c,h O. t,u ~ office
holders isn't 1t? AThere are lots OF people 'heie'
o1rA1JFTcATroN FOR MEMBERSHIP.
o-Rut il II not a fact that II is full OF ONCE
ra~,, AZ fact that Oftce-nolder,