The Anaconda standard. [volume] (Anaconda, Mont.) 1889-1970, 1899-10-26
DEBATE GREW SPIRITED
Secretary Chamberlain Taken to
Task in the House of Commons.
MICHAEL DAWTT RESIGNS
His Action a Protest Against the War
Which He Chara cterizss as Crime
Chamberlain Accused of Sup
pressing kilograms.

London, Oct. 25-During the debate
on the second reading Of the appropri-
alton bill in the house of commons to-
day, James H. Dalziel, liberal member
for Kirkcaldy, expressed the opinion
that one of the greatest difficulties in
arriving a a settlement with President
Kruger had been that, rightly or wrong
ly, the president had believed Mr.
Chamberlain, the British secretary Of
state for the colonies. and Cecil Rhodes
We're identical He added that Mr..
Chamberlain had given grounds for
this belief by suppressing kilograms,
| whereupon the colonial secretary tart
" INTERVIEWED. saying:
Il have never suppressed telegFams.
/ have not got them.
Mr.. Chamberlain also denied that he
had refused to see DR.. Montague White,
the agent of the Transvaal, who, the
colonial secretary added, had never ap-
piled for an audience.
The pugnacious spirit animating the
public has reached the legislators.
Apart from the diversions created ny
Mr.. Davitt, there was lively scene
in the house between Brown Clark,
radical member for Caithness. ex-agent
of the Transvaal, and Major Rascl,
conservative member for the South di-
vision of Essex Mr.. Clark denied the
statement that he CLARK was in the
Boer camp al the time of the tSht at
Majuba hill and characterized the as
sertion as sample Of the misrepre-
sentation now prevailing" Major
Rasch promptly retorted that his state
ment was made on the authority of
Mr.. Clark himself who told him SO
years ago. adding if Mr. Clark again
denied the statement he. the major.
would take the first opportunity of
repeating the statement to him out
side of parliament, when he could take
what steps he liked.
Sir William Vernon Harcourt the
liberal leader, said he desired to
again call attention to the provoca-
ton offered OF the secretary of state
for the colonies. Mr. Chamberlain, dur
ing the negotiations and in his speech
at Highbury. Mr.. Chamberlain re-
piled, repudiating teh intention to be
provocative and saying he only IN
tended to be plain and free from am
biguity. He added that he only fol-
lowed in the negotiations the prthcl-
| ples observed by all statesmen dur
| ing the past 10 or 20 years. There was
| n time, he explained.t when diplomacy
/, was regarded az given to statesmen
! to enable them to conceal their
thoughts. That might fairly be call
ed the ''old diplomacy which, he said
! II absolutely reDudiate.
! "People,'' he continued, are emitted
| to demand q clear expression of views.
He asserted there was never the siight-
est justification for the statement that
President Kruger had been in doubt.
Mr.. Chamberlain then said Our
object methods and determination
were to carry out the objects. 1T was
necessary to impress upon President
| Kruger the seriousness of the step he
was called upon to take and the con-
sequences which would follow any mis-
| take on his part. 1t was not desirable
to include in an official dispatch col
lated with suggestions and indications
of opinion, but seIni-official warning
was frequently conveyed in speech.
A similar warning was given by Lord
Salisbury to the sultan at the Guild
| hall banquet and ] am absolutely un-
| repentant,
Respecting to-day's speeches. they
are simply teh old arguments from II
ish members whose boast IS that tney
| are England's enemies and from the
radicals who, in principle, oppose the
| war.
! Regarding Mr.. Davitt, Mr.. Chamber
| lain said he recognized that he had
hitherto discussed the matter moder-
ately and sincerely, and he added,
II would pay the greatest attention TO
his arguments if did not know he
would use precisely the same arsu-
ments in regard to any British war,
| which are based on his enmity to En-
| gland
Mr.: Chamberlain then said: THAT
| would have been the Irish argument
in the Spanish American war, In which
Spain showed herself infinitely less ca
| ,ol,la nf t1afap6iper herself than the
'fransvaal.'
Here William Redmond, Parnellite
member for East Glare, shouted: "The
Transvaal did not blow up your war
ships"
Mr.. Chamberlain continued: 1.-The
great, almost determining contest be-
tween the United States and Spain was
fought without the loss of a single
American. We have never denied that
the Transvaal was foeman worthy OF
our steel. Not only was the disparity
between the forces in the Spanish
engaged, but the contention of the
| United States and its right of inter2er-
| ence arose from the fact that at the
same distance from their territories
there was oppression, not of American
citizens, but of another race and peo--
pie. That justified the intervention of
the United States in the mind Of the
| civilized world, Or. at any rate. in the
eyes of Englishmen and Irishmen. But
| we are interfering in behalf of our
own people. It is perfectly certain that
Mr.. Davitt, but for his hatred of Eng
land, would sympathize with us as lie
does with America
Mr. Chamberlain then replied to the
criticism of his not accepting the me-
diation of Mr.. Hofmeyer, the Afrikan-
der leader. pointing out that While lie
believed Mr.. Hofmeyer was sincere,
yet he could not forget that when
President Kruger made absolutely IL
lusory proposals for settlement Mt.
Eofmeyer was perfectly ready to ac-
cept them. President Kruger misled Mr..
Hofmeyr in promising him proposals
which differed materially from those
he really presented
There has been on the part of the
Transvaal crookedness altogether in
comprehensive if they desired settle
ment." continued Mr.. Chamberlain Il
believe that from first to last President
! trj1par never intended give any,