The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1899-01-09
TURNER AND JONES HERE
CITIZENS STREET RAILRoAD MANA
GERS ON THE GROUND.
Basis of Adjustment Has Been Dis
cussed, Says Mr.. Turner-Mr.
Winter Also Returns.

There was furry in the gossiping con-
corning street-car affairs yesterday. when
Ferdinand Winter. of counsel for the Citi-
zens' Street-railroad Company returned
from Philadelphia, in company with William
j. Turner and J. lowering Jones, both of
whom have large interests in the Citizens
company. 1t was reported that J. f. Thomp-
son, Of the Pennsylvania Railroad, had as
sumed controlling interest in the Citizens
company, and that Mr.. Jones, himself a
prominent member of the Philadelphia bar,
had come here to represent him.
Mr.. Turner went to the Grand
Hotel. his usual headquarters when
here, while Mr.. Jones HE'D to the Dem
ison. Neither registered. The return of Mr..
Winter in company with Messrs. Turner and
Jones, led some of those who try to keep
in touch with street-car affairs to the be-
lief that settlement had been agreed on
between the Citizens company and the City
Company. 1t was recalled that about three
weeks ago Mr.. Frenzel was in Philadelphia
and that on his return it was reported he
had been East to talk over a settlement.
This Mr.. Frenzel denied Last Monday Mr..
Winter left the city rather suddenly, going
away Immediately after the trial of the re-
ownership case of the Indianapolis News
was ended, without waiting until the formal
order for its sale was prepared for entry on
the court dockets. Mr.. FTenzel having been
East and Mr.. Winter going there on the
heelS of his return induced the belief that
Mr.. Frenzel had made a proposition about
when MI Winter was summoned to Phila-
uelphld Tor conference with the eastern
stockholders.
But Mr.. Turner dismissed these rumors
last midnight, when a waiting reporter had
a Few moments conversation with him on
his coming home to the Grand Hotel.
c;t me purpose SG Of my present trip to your
CITY, SAID Mr.. turner, lis to confer with
our attorneys concerning the ACCESSIBILITY
OF applying to the Supreme Court for re-
nearing Of the case recently decided. L was
mere on Monday following the decision from
morning until afternoon, comforting with the
attorneys. Last Monday Mr.. Winter went
to philadelphia, and after going over the
decision with me fully, went to New
York. was rather agreeably surprised to
ind him aboard the train en- route from
New York here when ] took it at Philadel-
phia. AS / now view the situation, / think
the proper course fof us to pursue is to ap-
ply for a rehearing."
Will you cooperate with the city of In
dianapolis in asking for a rehearing?"
That is matter of detail that will be
left to our attorneys who will confer with
the legal department of the city"
The company having decided to go on with
the litigation would lead to the inference
that 1t continues, as formerly, to assume
the position that the settlement of the street
car situation must be between it and the
municipality, without regard to the City
company. AS pointed out by the CITY
troller last week. the Citizens Company has
very large rights that will not expire in
1901 in any event and that are not affected by
the present litigation. From the tone of Mr.
Turner's talk the company has been in an
attitude of compromise for some time. and
expects to try and earn the good will of the
city, as 1t has StriYen to do in the last year
or so.
AN AGREEMENT DISCUSSED.
1t can be said on the authority of Mr.
Turner that there has been a general dis
cussion of lines along which the whole street
car question might be amicably adjusted
between the administration and the Citi-
2ens' Company. 1t can also be said that
there has recently been renewal of discus
sion OF plans by which the interests of both
companies might be guarded and some sort
OF an agreement reached, although Mr.
Turner said that the Citizens Company did
not look upon the City Companys contract
as at all practicable, involving the refunding
of several hundred thousand dollars Of street
improvements and the payment of q portion
of the gross earnings into the city treasury.
Would that be more of a hardship" he
was asked, than for your company to ac-
cept q new contract in two years, assuming
the City Company out of the way, with a
three-eent-fare provision?"
1T is impossible for a company to exist
with q three-cent fare"
Would you, then, desire to have the
three-cent-fare law repealed?
Judge Showalter has held the law uncon-
stitutional. 1t would seem that an uncon-
stitutional law is not much of a law"
Mr. Turner had read in Indianapolis pa
rers stories of a deal by which the Citizens
Company was to pay the City Company
$500 900 and $3,O00,000 in bonds for it's fran
chise. When asked concerning this, he re-
Piled
81 cannot imagine how such cock-and-hull
stories originate"
Concerning the report that Mr. Thompson.
of the Pennsylvania road, had large interests
in the stock of the company and that Mr..
Jones was here to represent him, Mr.. Tur-
ner said that so far as he knew Mr.. Thomp-
hold ctr oft hn hali Nod
to have considerable interest In the bonds
of the company. Our bonds being coupon
for US to know by whom they are held. Mr..
Jones is himself largely interested in the
stock ] do not know whether he represents
Mr. Thompson, but hardly think so, as the
Pennsylvania people have their own attor-
news here"
Pressed for a statement as to whether Mr..
Frenzel had visited him with reference to an
agreement between the two companies. Mr..
Turner said that he was but slightly &C
quainted with Mr.. Frenzel and had not dis
cussed such subject with him. When Mr..
Turner took the train to return to Philadel-
phia after being here, following the SUI
preme Court decision, he found Mr.. Frenzel
and Hugh Fl. Hanna aboard the train.
There has been some talk to the effect that
the Citizens Company owns the Broad Rip
pie line or has a controlling interest. With
reference to this Mr.. Turner said that the
company was in no wise interested in the
Broad Ripple company.
While the impression was gained, from the
talk with Mr.. Turner. that the Citizens
company intends to continue the litigation
and that no arrangement has been made
between the two companies, it also appeared
that proposition for a fair adjustment of
all interests, concessions being made on all
sides. would not be rejected
At the Denison Hotel it was denied that
Mr. Jones was stopping there
Mr.. Winter declined TO be interviewed
when seen last night He would neither af-
firm nor deny that he had been in Philadel-
phia 10 consult with William JAY Turner
concerning terms of agreement by which the
interests of the two companies were 20 be
consolidated or otherwise adjusted. He
even refused to indicate whether street-car
affairs had been the mission upon which
he absented himself
''I am sorry that I cannot be Of service to
YOU said Mr.. Winter "hut / cannot say
anything about matters which concern my
clients
His attention was called to rumored bases
of settlement last week-one, by the terms of
which the Citizens Street-railroad Com
pany was to pay the City Company $500,
600 in cash and S.. 600 900 in bonds for a sur
render Of all it's rights.
That's very liberal proposition" re-
piled he, with just a touch of sarcasm in
his voice. II heard to-day there had been
much in the papers on this subject last
week" he added, but l have not had the
opportunity 20 read the papers
THE YOUNG LHDY'S BEAUTY.