The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1899-04-16

zQi-Now you are making a speech again, Mr..
Croker, and this must stop. ] ask you to an.
Mr.: c9ckEan . c2nsidersble sym Of money 4
siderable sum q money rom him at that tins;
Al object TO the question.
.Q.-.What, do you object to the question >
Q-W6yS, A.-6n% principle.
aS 9iI Sss, wssf J R5lPFei rs%em A her s object 70 It,
cause I don't wish you 70 Talk about or z ointo
my personal AFFAIR." at all.
Q.-But you don't deny II, do you Ar
don't wish to answer the question.
DID HE DEMAND PAR OF ~cocKRAN's rEE9
Q.-Let IL stand at that for a momont, Altar
you received from Mr.. Cochran a sum Of money
Nj. COCHRAN aHI " and ask him for rI moTa With
.o,1EAnd didn't he refuse to give you more
1No.-I%Gn'dd isn't that The reason for the co,ar.,.
between you. and Cock ran 2 Al don't re'
Q.-You. don't rememb.r whether that Is the
t Gocfrsn and Fl / Is on IN account Il; une q s0i 4 Eni;o SSr s,,,n0
Senator. II you want to know that: he wanted
to be 4 and ne opposed him.
We thought. he was not a NJ man for the place:
wehad another man we preferred.
timeH Al don't remember; don't %recoIIeeets
t. / don't want to have anything to say aboonttuit
,Q.I,You don't wish TO talk about ~ A.~No.
m s5I; personal ! sont T sfsir you to know anything about
Q;-of course not. not such an. affair as that,
and wasn't as th ma 9 r.. \ you az the boss Of the
What do you mean by thatf
thSs 'o question sGo d9 aasin nnd kis%UiI. i d I vent nsd ask
,Q.And wasn't poor Jake Sharp actually
o dffssn w lnsG s ssiR bis G ssiI4osa he on o S4na no, il an Any
siSoHH$t XII S d9nst 8 sh| RSGG &c. q E foasS SFs ssaIas,
4. our organization was not In control you
Q;nN2y. speaking about the electric conduits
triG %conduits here recently. when the Metro.
PGlitsn r99ad's power was changed? A,-Notss
Q.-N9t that you know A:.-No.
az Sommissioner kearney and you
o..NDldnt you. yourself. either to Mr.. Kear.
ney. or BY & representative. tell him not to OBJ
,0,-why do YOU answer that positively why
90 you allow an answer to that question to go
Neo,t az; ii Z Is not + a sh per = peafG mstt natts Tha, 4,
public matter that you are talking about now.
CHEAP TELEPHONE MEN WENT TO CROKER.
Q.-That 10 q public matter? Ayes.
recent time. NJ Sr'S G Pose E' thae g sS SG@P peopIe =
VIII you aboat'itE A.H 81 I hear ear q S1 Run adisSs
,n 2;nyssai a company 'myRss, t Il Shi { IN Ar. A.tor wa.
pr S;nH or as sssy %s1e di 81 EG she e e H'A yG1T tS az;
.,Q:-Why aid John Jacob Astor and mon Of hi.
P DspyE ,3 %,a II o didn'a CONS sR o. j E fSsle ]EssSS 4 sS%:
mar came and ssid he Was ntsr %'S '-s0m'
QmWhy was II necessary, or advisable to 60
to @9 yoas You you i aHn.i s10w Ai'sMlfN;o. sir: I can't.
TO get my influence, probably.
Sc. - GET ,sa yo%rinanen;e; & eoYrse2 A:.Yes,
s Ssdlaa q sse i3s RfissfPfEs sss OF 5 5ffs0 oq he hlos ssi
action or non,aeti 10 V oi the %' kkesds So o. a dspa .ae
ments. al those things were important. weren't
o.-Yes. A.-No. Idon't know as they wers
important; lots oil things are done without my
OIL know. but all those things are consid-
cred by a man or company who starts up q cor
poration to do such work as teleGraphing or
c se,fleh no. attend Sa ddn q : sTsry q saat .h alef i asked AE.d
me. you know. The city departments do that.
eeSor over such Sompanis SsP don@ soa9 nave ~.
o.-And didn't they go to you because you
S Slfs Sss dt% spsfsmsnts y dealing %.MPfo sifs 'a sSss
good s;aF rsSscn 70 'F sslIns sNG So. dld a. aG aS. w h Rs
20 9.I did tb yog promise to Ga aid them s,s I. .s tarss
,,Q.-Didn't you promise your influence? A.
CRoKER DIDN'T HE'LL THEM.
Q.-.Now.. wasn't 1t the object OF Mr.. Aston
would reduce the Telephone rates in New York;
Al belieye they had some such notion as that.
care t? tone hel ply" them' 'u fh esink .f ! tol d0a she snan to
GO and see the proper parties.
that, That Ia all | meant.
Q,,Didn.t you withhold your aid and infu-
enSs 't tRe New SeS G 9opR fefep as% o Gss%psny heard sri
about it and, sent a representative to see youf
re S;nR'f%s S 81 th nsy Ss sST 9or Fl! Fe TleS the o asn:
pnny, A,-Not that remember Of. When was
az o .n!f faei Is y %hs sff I s se1l, "sEi fsS YOU. Mr.. Croker.
a A;mA1 1S,s / t Gann9 !. tell tell the s,t date, IL There vas
for SftS tsiepRoas i sehs@s ss's nearly every a''
Q:-Well. will say that It was within Ave
years ears; ma Al; t.Ionh men t Der that s9mebody talked
.sQ.-You never had any stock in the New York
M, Toss.owh' Mr.. Cutler please = take SssS tie
Mr.. Cutler did not answer.
DID YOU TAKE MONEY PROM THE OTHER sIDE1
Q.-Do you know Mr.. Cutler7 Al have
Q.-What is his businessP Al believe no ia
to.~President Of Tie New 91 YORK T.lephons
Company. is he not? You knew him and hada
talk with him? A.-Not that I remember in
particular.
Odd You receive any money from Mr..
Cutler at any time? A.-Never; I decline to
O.-You answered. and now you want to take
your answer back Al know what you
Q,-pid you make n five years agreement
with Mr.. Cutler for the payment 20 you OF n
sum OF money each year? Al decline to
OWN you deny or affirm 1t Al decline
to answer that question.
Q.-Mr. Croker, II YOU took money or made
an agreement to take money. or had a. contract
for money from thesettelephone people, would
you consider that an honorable or a dishonor-
able transaction. A.-tWith great emphasis)
Dishonorable..
Odd you have such an aGreementP Al
decline to answer.
The courtroom was very still during the last
Moss had given time for the full effect OF Mr..
Croker's replies to be felt by those present. he
Mr.. Chairman. I see that 1t Ia / o'clock. and
there, are many important thinRs goinG on In
New York to-day. II II Ia your pleasure / sug-
gest that we take q recess until Monday morn