The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-02-24


what was said? At about 1880 on
; Sunday afternoon, Sunday evening,
rather, l was informed that some one
wanted to talk to me at the telephone;
went to the telephone and Mr.. wins
was at the other end of the line; he
asked me if we wanted Mr.. Jackson S
vote tomorrow, meaning Monday.
hesitated moment and asked him to
wait; started to open the door of the
telephone booth, when Mr.. Dunbar
passed; 1 said to him, Dave, Mr..
WINS
Mr.. Evans-I object to what you said
to Dave as hearsay.
The Witness-Sir?
Mr.. Evans-I object to that as hear
sway.
Go on. just state what you did with
Mr.. WINS? 1 consulted with Mr.. Dunbar
as TO whether we wanted Mr.. Jack
sons vote or not.
I Will ask you what you mean by
wanting Mr.. Jackson's vote; your bust
ness was to solicit votes, 1 suppose?
Yes, sir.
Generally? Yes. sir.
NO EFFORT TO GET JACKSON.
Had there been any question about
getting Mr.. Jackson's vote? Or at
tempting to get it? Not at that time,
we hadn't made any effort at all to get
Mr.. Jackson's vote.
Well, go ahead. Mr.. Dunbar said that
We should have
Mr. Evans-I object to what Mr.. Dun
bar said as being hearsay.
The Witness-After consulting with
Mr.. Dunbar, returned to the telephone
and told Mr.. WINS yes; he then said
something about coming over to talk
to me and he did; he reached there
about half past eight; he stated that
he was quite sure that we could get
Mr.. Jackson's vote; that is if we could
get Mr.. Jackson and Mr.. Chambers to-
gether. 1 urged him to do that if pos
sible and he started out for that pur-
pose.
Mr.. Whitney-Mr. WINS?
The Witness-AIr. WINS, yes, sir,
started out for that purpose. He eX-
pressed a doubt as to whether he could
find Mr.. Jackson readily; urged him
very strongly to find him if possible
and get him to meet Mr.. Chambers, and
to let me know the result OF the inter
view; he came back to me about 1870
the same night and informed me that
it was all right, that Mr.. Jackson and
Mr.. Chambers had had a conversation
in his presence, in the course of which
Mr.. Jackson had agreed TO vote for Mr.
McCune. There was some question
however, as to when Mr.. Jackson would
! do that. MIR. WINS stated to me that
bers that Mr.. Ryan had entered into
some obligation for him, Mr.. jackson,
by which he was required to cast sew
eral votes for Judge King. / said T.
him cit is important that we should
have Mr.. Jackson's vote tomorrow in
order that he may show an increase
over the vote Saturday, and 1 would
like to know distinctly whether
Mr.. Jackson will vote with US
tomorrow or not; in fact l must
know. He said, well, I think
1 can find him and get you the infor-
nation. I left him at the Cullen no
tel" 1 said. well. perhaps you had
better go and get that information"
but he says, Mr.. Jackson may have
left there" I remember we looked at
our watches. In that case 1 don't
knew where to find him; he may be in
some of the resorts, some of the other
headquarters, or he may have gone
home, and my business is of such a
/ character that / cannot neglect it too
long" 1 then suggested to him that
he take a carriage and make the rounds
of these places, if he failed to find Mr.
Jackson at the Cullen hotel, and he
said something about it being too eX-
pensive, and remember saying to him,
I ''Oh, damn the expense; take three car
riages; I want to know whether that
man is going to vote for US or not" and
J WITH lndI ne went away.
HARRIS WAS TIRED.
Where were you standing at that
time? We had walked from the table in
the long green parlor TO the head of the
! stairs as 1 recall it, and it was there
/ that the conversation occurred. l was
i very nervous-very tired. l remember
! thinking, why in the world don't the
man go and find Jackson, and not stay
/ hcr-es "a l<i11o n a hO1ft If -
Your sOlicitude for the Jackson vote
was that you might show your candi-
/ date was gaining? That was the idea,
sir
Did you. Mr.. Harris, by word, or deed,
or thought, send Mr.. WINS out to bride
| Mr.. Jackson or to attempt 20 bride him?
| Mr.. Evans-That is a question for the
! committee TO determine now, unless Mr..
| Harris tells everything that was said.
! They are the judges Of his thoughts.
Mr. Thurman-Weil, it seems that Mr..
| WINS himself had thoughts.
J Mr. Dickson-Yes, anu If remember
correctly, Mr.. Evans, you in the exam
I ination of Mr.. WINS and Mr.. Jackson
also asked him more than once, each
/ Of them, the impression made on them.
| Argued by counsel
Mr.. Harris, did you see Mr.. WINS last
Monday night at the McCune headquar-
/ tiers in a room in which were Mr.. Dun
bar, Mr.. Wilson, Mr.. Sloan, Judge
Dickson, Mr.. Van Colt and myself? l
did. sir.
And yourself State if on that occa-
sion, in undertaking to STATE the facts
that you have been stating, that is, re-
lating to the same transaction, state if
he did not then say in that presence
that when he left you at the head of
the stairs, just before that, he suggest
ed or you suggested carriage? He
did.
And never mind the expense? He did.
Mr.. Stewart-Nlay 1 ask that that
question be read?
Question read.)
Mr. Stewart-I wanted to get clear
on the answer. Did you suggest or he
SUGGESTIVE question implies, it seems
to me, two?
Mr.. Thurman was not clear which
the witness said, and what l want is
the testimony of this witness that the
carriage was mentioned at that time,
right at the time when Mr.. Harris said
never mind the expense"
Mr. Dickson-He mentioned it.
Mr.. Evans-If he mentioned it, don't
care which one did
The Witness-Is that the question for
me now?
Mr.. Stewart did not understand
from the answer whether he suggested
it or you suggested it.
The Witness-In q previous CONVERSE
ton, not the particular conversation re-
ferred to in the question, he did men,
ton something about a carriage, and
when asked by me TO state positively
when the carriage he referred to was
mentioned, he said at the head OF the
stairs on the occasion of his last visit
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