New-York tribune., 1899-06-16
IT,, ,,sre will be a whole gang.

6rs it pretty hard for ssTahy RsoPs s
sustain yourselves escomsnined but II seems the
Complaints have no effect ana tme o"y syav IN the
ment during 9. CaP,pn Co!Id see the difference
FELL RACK WHEN CHAPMAN LEFT H.
o-yor had some improvement when Captain .souni
cSanrn Was nas there? "A marked improvement
QAndh hoss whfh ba ne used to be- these coffee saoons
he Closed them all up M Now; Med lnse6e to 6e!
reSuar parSr aee houses he closed up are now par'qs
houses? A~Maybe not the same places; Where be the
ccnen hn,ses used 10 be- most OF thein nav ,here s
table in the front room ana IN the ''"'
samolThs nThsn there is good deal of gambling dow"
there? A. 50 m' u1derssn@l. rnns1sl A-Yes general
mort I never go into those place. on the beat
so%RsnsS sSmsimes7 tG des Rw don" think
II IL of much use to complain 10 the the station
Q-Why? A-Because We are S'"' ~
QThen you can get redress %ade Gsmt any com
p,sin, Main Know some Of my neighbors nave anu
has had no enc eIec' that aS because the district is man
aeed from political standpoint rather than CIVIC
stsndPon? Al hops preisSmss 81 me sG district? A-Yes
Sannd that boss is recognized as poten,ia,i M
police matters? A.--That is the way
ors that the feeling Of the people people In your dS-
rS? hSS hat, soss aT name ever Who
is the boss OF the East Side? A-Engei. o, ,ror-
,,S FMsaI has baed out great many OF these
women? A~That / could not say; don't Kho"
"o' of can furnish list OF his bail bonds II nat
would enghten the committee your ,.n sPuppose
that Il is possible thing for police captain VINO 10
goes at the s ms's5 6 II he af%d AYc
lie has been actually forced to break open ah u1,Oh
places every two or three days sometimes snaS"
etooiyiHis oEHow were things under Captain o'Keene'
A,l,SS onWere they any worse than at other times?
Al don't to speak about H.
HOFFMAN DEFENDS ENGE1A
Mr.. FIoffman-when you say Martin Engel Is boss
OF the East Side. what do you mean by that' A.
lie is the Democratic leader.
o~Where you live? Am the With Assembly
Q-You don't mean any further than in that dis
trct. You don't mean 70 be understood tnai s YOU
don't have any such transactions IN my part OF me
East Side How long have a you odr. lived on the east
Q.--And when did you first move to the East
o-were You doctor at that time? AIN 1922.
Q-Whot part Of the East Side did you move to
in s AHf9' par9 Akshf n SsfG: from the station
Q'~whnt was the condition in 1891. when you
first moved there? Al don't know that | am
O-Why not? A-Because that time I had not
been long in the district and didn't pay mucA at
tention ,,., l., ,eo, ,
Q.-Tiow were the conditions at that time? Good?
o-They were not good. How, were they in 1882
Any better? A@Well ;os think there was some i'm
Q.-Was It a slight improvement? A.-Consid-
cradle.
Q.-Now, isn't 1t true that that neighborhood has
generally been about the same for the the last four
Improvement occasionally
Q.-Potcs had nothing. at all to do with men
Q."Yo1 never heard that it had anything TO- do
with politics with politicians. did you? A.-Wel
Q.-As far as you know yourself? A-As far as
| 7 knnu, |
Q.-Are you a politician? A.-No, sir.
Q..,Do you belong to any political club? A-Not
o.-Seyer did? NO, sir. ..,,,n. D.. c.a,o,,
Hogan about these things you have stated here?
N~A Q.N2t no no time? A-No. sir
THE OLD DODGE AGAIN.
o-Don't you believe it to be your duty as a
| citizen to have made complaint? Al under
QDNever mind what you understood Ave
QIWho is we? Abr. Hafeley. DR.. Houghton
! and some others; we have talked the matter over
together, and one went to see one OF the captains
Do you know whether he went to see Captain
hSt11i S@9ou i didn't IG% 60? X.yNo, sir. ,,. ,.
| Q-And you didn't make any complaint about
! these matters you have testified to-? Al say We
talked the matter over, and we all came 70 the
conclusion there is no use making any complaint;
oad yo1 made any complaints q2y time to
QrSo that 80 far You know Il might have
! had some effect If a complaint had been made !
| A-From the experience OF my colleagues, didn't
| think IT would have any effect ~, .
9Bn @ from Sn your might eTn haHe some eect Ai
wasn't used complaining. | didn't complain OF
these things l % didn't complain at the time
Mi Mr. Moss-You are not complaining now. A
No am not complaining now. I'll.
Mr. Honman-You ought to complain to the police
of M The GFssni4 are here under subpoena
The witness-I am here under subpoena. and I
nIIr Mr. + Hoffman, am glad you are here to make
your statement. because the police are 70 enforce
the police would enforce the law; d.. ,,,.,
Mr. MOss-one moment Or G Behrman nannn nav n' milton T
dollars or R9fs force ans n1d hfTf fn f Bu
Ghsf hs sf Ehis' is rather fT hardship for citizen
be compelled TO perform the unpieasah' Hn'' air. -,
prosecuting houses Of prostitution! A'-ies' 81"
Mr. HonmanDo you know how .o11c1i1g many arrests
No cir do not; but good many arrests are mar ,r
GA great many arrests are made A'-ieS' S''
Nm VVr MossLDo ss' you know how much these women
paoS DC II YOU know that they do pay? A-Weil' In
yoT %efe fe nS soy roG
remember who the captains were al tha' u'"e
A0NT 10 s'y you re remember Captain McLaughn and
CAPTAIN Devery? A-No; remember Cortrisht cou
SwD!,d Rs ihlRsi that i~RTSS' Ei@S yes sn'" S
o1There Cassidy-I am not ,h SURF aeDd' oDd DSy
sidy-but Mclaughlin? A-Mcl'ausn'" anu
cry -, 49,, ,,orsrv ond Cross? A=And
Cross. ,,,,..z h,1 ,nder Mclaughlin
a oIWere We're they bad under Cross? A'-Aoout 'h'
toS'H.pid they Improve under Cortrght? A'-l"er'
was niue prstand vo to say that during lSs
or Q1'"I lST there was little improvement! A'-ieS
sir. -. -. say IN a great extent
AxTo captain Cortright | think maze Pe'So'
conpiaall. a airca 1901 the neighborhOod has rcTo
graded? hYes sir except dHrng was there Ing S''0'
brief period that Captain chapman was as e"'''
Mr. Moss think we have got the caSe'
ADJOURNED TO AUGUST l.