New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-05-19

| Q.-Yes. A.-Wel, don't know that obliged
to give you my views in regard what intend
TO do.
| Ooh. I suppose not. Is there any reason why
YOU, should not state your views OF what you in
Q.-There is a reason? Ayes
| Q-Do you intend 10 do something? Al do
QHavs you consulted With your associates Sdrs 50
Q.-Then how can you say we do? A.-WeH.
Q-Mr Hess. I may say that much af-
fected by the frankness the openness, with which
you testified yesterday. In our Judgment. II IS
much better to testify the truth, when everybody
! Mr. Osu.iivan dnterruptlng)-This carries a criti-
| cism to every witness that has been on the stand
The Chairman-He has not reflected on any wit
Mr.. osunivan-I think ne has
Mr.. Moss-You are very tender
Mr. Moss"T was saying that. in our Judgment 1t
IS much better for man to admit at once the IN
ev.tabe than TO fence, eyade and go before tn, me
! public who Is not telling the whole truth.
believe you have commended yourseli eohs s,
ably the people by having been absolutely frank
| and truthful Al always truthful
Q.-Yes. and FOR that reason / am not going 10
press the question any harder right mere ABOUT
! what you intend to do. Being an official. con
in YOU, we own mnd Your future steps but have we
| not put II to you very clearly Mr.. Commissioner,
position in When YOU stand as the head OF that
| department dscredited your own statements
| fair thing. isn't It? Ayes.
NOW PAYING THE PENALTY.
! Q-When you voted to retire Mr.. McCullagh and
voted 10 put in his place Mr.. Devery, you did not
al that time have any idea that by so doing you
| would be compelled to stand the head Of a de-
! partment which shamefuly neglected the enforce
ment Of the law. aid YOU You did not expect to
| be put in that position? Al don't admit that.
OF you don't admit that. shall not press that
| question but will put it in this form: When you
| did that act you never expected to be put in the
| position you re in in having 70 consider your
horff
| did you? Al have got 10 be satisfied myself
! Q.-Haye YOU not already said that you have
statements correct and true that these wit
| resses gave, which believe they are then there
| y a shameful neglect OF duty somewhere thar Is
! Q.-That was what meant. You did not expect
| by the act you performed in turning out McCul-
sponsibie FOR such a condition of affairs did you?
! A-Whv don't you put II at the time Of my APP
Q.|At the time Of your appointment, you did not
| EXPECT TO- did you2 Al did not expect there
would be any trouble in the Board. wanted to
You did not expect to deal with any such
] thing as this? Al wanted to avoid trouble 49,,
O.-Was that what meant when you sald
you were sorry you had ever accepted the appoint
Are Won the treasurer Of the Board? Ayes
! Q-And the treasurer OF the Police Pension Fund
Q'-You had to give bonds in both OF those Offices
! didn't you9 A-Yes
| O.-One hundred thousand dollars as treasurer OF
the pension fund and $4,000 as treasurer OF the
! oIGereraI Fund? A-Yes, .,
| Q-From whom did you secure the bonds? A
rom MON ,ns tRe tinted States Fidelity and Guaran
tee Company? Al fret went to the nited states t
| take me- then I had TO go 20 the other place
REFUSED TO GO on HIS BOND.
Oct us see abou, that. You went to the
United States Fidelity Which company Is that?
A-The Fidelity company: Mr.. Paus company.
Owe might as we'll call these companies by the
names by which they are generally known You
went there and they refused to give you bond
Q-Why? Al don't know.
WdhS d yo yq know sy a s aa9 man aPp Sm
Q.-You sent a man to the company? A-fes.
IA drsT thew said they were glad to take
] supposed they heard from scmewhere-made IN
'0-You don't think II was a question OF your re-
spcnsibllity? A.-No not at all; because had
Q@You did have private bonds? A.-Yes; mum
ber OF them didn't want 70 put myself ,d, en ,De
and then I ha TO go to the other company.
Q-And YOU were bonded In the other company
the Freedman company A les.
Q-What rates did you pay? A-That decline
Oo,@e,IWhy? A-Beoause Mr.. Freedman IS an old
ha Of course 5 Is er PToPe Of yosfs 9Gg
oHaWen hat we won't Of course. press. When
o s @ Thf Nat aeRa Bank
O-seaboard National? A,fes 10 ~.
Q-What bank IL II no" oepos'eu III a. i"'
sane B BdIk You contemplate change Of bank at
time? A-Never; not OF that deposit not with
Q-Weil what other fund was there A'-The
Q-Dwhere was that deposited? Am the Bow
0NWhere is il now? At is there still
0-stiI' in the Bowery. Did you contemplate
change In that fund? A-1es
HALF TO GEISHENENS BANK.
o.-what bank were you going to send it to? A
The Garfield National Bank.
O-The GARFIELD National Bank? Ayes. and
dld-half OF it.
o-You did send to the Garfield? Al did send
half Of it, l thought it was too much money to be
III one DnnR much I9r Is The fund? A-we We have
a balance there sometimes OF $1,000 ,o,, -. 49,.
OF is Your duty to have those funds in a good
'a9k s2 YOU haven't any idea OF saying here that
800 90 Is too much to have in a good bank. have
Q-Now. Why did YOU divide that fun, fund who VIII,
asked you 70 Do H. MI hess am ,dRng 10 W You
asked you 10 do IL? ADO what.
oWho asked you TO divide that fu md put DaI part
Q-Mr board? A.-The Board g., ., xoro
Q.-What reason was assigned for ~ A- None |
a. all They said il was too much money: PneEe
was sore rm9r about the Bowery Ma' ion a BsnK
National Bank why didn't you take II all out? A
fQ-Wen' II you knew it was a false rumor. why |!
did you take any out? Am addition wanted 10
O|To give him some OF the money? A.-Yes sir |
O -Was there really a resolution Of the Board |
asking you TO change your deposit? Al sug- |
OEYou suggested the resolution? As I under |
stood YOU a moment ago the inception Of this thing
was in the Board7 A.-Oh no
OF asked YOU why you did IT, and you said the |
Board asked you. A.-The Board is obliged to act |
ut was at your suggestion. then? Ayes.
0-And because Mr.. Gelshenen asked It as a |
favor? Ayes, sir.
SEXTON WANTED 1T DONE
o-Uas Mr.. Gelshenen the only person who asked
you? Ayes. sir.
O-Was he the only person who spoke 10 you
about u2 Al think Mr. Sexton spoke to
about IL.
O-Mr Sexton SPOKE TO you about Il? Ayes.
Didn't Mr. Sexton speak to you about It first?
81 don't remember.