New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-05-17
MCuLLAGH on THE STAND.
TELLS OF HIS CLEAN RECORD AND uN

| TELLS OF HIS CLEAN RECOhD AMI N'
TRAMMELLED CONDITION.
Mr.. Moss-I will call Mr.. McCullagh.
John McCuagh sworn.
Mr.. Moss-You were formerly Chief OF Fo"ce
| Ayes. sir.
O-You were Chief OF Police for short time be-
fore consolidation. were YOU, A-Yes,c s,., an tho
QAnd you were appointed Aong Hnen OF Of the
greater city? Al was. -, ,ho
D 9The members then were Messrs. York Ham
%, 0'rWas there any Understanding had between
and the Of hst y Ho and or any other
official that was IN the city concerning o me
Thar y ySs sn0ua Between President
| York and myself in regard to our duty 'o"s at
gamblers and the suppression OF all wees Il" '"e
Q-outslde Of that. was there any other under
with chang any o yS@9 A a@vS ae' wk R
in either IL" Department did you have any political
a1derstanens Yl IA anybody politician" 0c' or
oDd taEs office under the old G Gd
/ was made Chief by three members Of the old
Board on August % 1897 49,.
political agency or any political force whatever?
| A-To the three members OF the Board onlyi; .,
knew nothing about II at all until was 'aieu 10
Q.-When you were made Chief Of the greater
| city you In any sense responsible TO or be,
| holden to any political agency Whatever Al
Q-You felt yourself In both OF these department.
absolutely untrammelled as to political influence?
Al did.
HE HAD EXPERIENCE OF 1T.
o-You know what political influence In the
Police Department Is, don't you? A-Weh |
think so.
Q-And you know that II Is a matter OF common
rumor for years that political consderations have
police Ssers 6u, the oe
that. don't you? A.-Yes, -. -,
You are perssy clear Sgr ha as to eT to
no political organization and TO no poh'iciah A.
Q~What was that understanding with Mr.. York?
Al called the captains together Of the greater
sty or 10th Of JanSary assembled all the cap
tsIns Of the different boroushs together, and Mr:
Of the Board; what it would be towards gambling,
n a. so h Asr nai me- had wcn
support me IN every way and II got Evidence sS srss
oss to put a him Sa trial That was the understand
wnen yS we're had MADE ess on tGs
New York? A-Twenty-eght years; twenty-seven
70 charges and trials? Al had about five days
give days fine during the whole twenty-eight
Q.-when was the last fine? About what year?
! Aawhen was patrolman. in 1870 =, ro,v Az
certain The CITY, had Sad yoa q
o.-And some difficult precincts? A.-Yes
psTtment for several years. were you notY A.
| Yes. two years and three months
Communicating Ing captains in their various precincts!
On all matters relating to the composition and
management OF the police courts you were THOR,
oughly posted? Al think was thoroughly well
Q,-And you hadn't any accusations standing
nor any dismissas from the Department. or any
thing OF that kind had you? Al did not.
such matters? Ayes.
NOT LIKE DEvERY's RECORD.
Q.-And the president OF the board has already
borne testimony to your faithfuness and to your
ability while he was president Of the board.
Mr.. Moss-I bring these things out will frankly
state the reason; that this mans record may be
ceeded him. and who was pushed SO rapidly and
Odd you endeavor to manage the police force
without reference to the politics or the political
Odd the Mayor tell the truth to-day when he
said that he asked you on certain occasion the
politics Of the officers OF the Department, and you
said you didn't know them?
Dr. O'suvan-Is that proper question, Did the
Mr. Moss.I win change the form OF the question:
The Chairman-Yes. change the form or the ques-
Q.-was the statement of the conversation accu
rate, according to your recollection? Al didn't
Odd the Mayor. according to your recollection
ask you what were the politics of the superior off,
GERS OF the Department? Ale did.
Q.-And what did you answer him? Al told
him didn't know ! would have TO think II over.
HAD NOT HAD TIME TO LEARN
Odd you absolutely that you didn't
know. or did you say that in any relative way?
Att would be utterly impossible for to have
known just at that time You must take into con-
sideration, Mr.. Moss. that the greater city had
been formed didn't know the personnel Of
the captains OF police in BROOKLYN was "a very
partment or consolidated IT, rather into one force
dlsrics ' new Uniforms and up We to- a that time
had no personal knowledge whatever. nor could
have any Of ascertaining the politics of the
men in the Department, the various captains.
Q-That is, you were so engrossed with the af-
duties OF organizing the police force Of the greater
city that you had paid no attenon to the political
Odd you consider that part Of your duty?
6. 91Did you tell the Mayor that ySg could not
many inspectors have you got?' said Ten.
bn HE said ,h What are their politics said y viii
said ! couldn't tell the politics. He SAYS. 'Do
yfEu call that bipartisan" says Why, Nj
says you are not abreast OF ' the times" says
Not as politician. Mr.. Mayor. I am a police
81 wish 20. would go ahead with that whole
Hamilton { he didn't tell me this morning that
q qa or M GS % 10 TOD go said PAT Sr NOT
ASK Mr. Hamilton ANYTHING Of the kind Mr.: Plat
ever 10 DO with the transfer OF police captain, and
II Your Honor magnes for a moment that there Is
9 police captain being held up by any political In
fuence. namo the man and will transfer him right
here in your presence. right here in this Office" He
says: II won't ask any favors OF you said: II
didn't ask you to. | simply made the suggestion
TO show Your Honor that ! am not playing poll
tics" lie accused me OF playing politics. and |
told him not. Ii published In the pa pers
then that the Mayor had sent for me. but he did
not send for me: but heard OF all the controversy
that was going on about the transfer OF Captain
IIerlihy. / never consulted about Captain
Herlihy. That was a bold matter: II was never re-
ferred to me. and I asked to transfer
him. As Chief OF Police thought II a duty
owed 10 myself, thought II was a duty | owed to
the Police Department to see the EXECUTIVE OF the
city and explain the affairs 10 him | Understood
that Mr. Hamilton came down, and that an ac-
cusation had been made against him, and wanted
TO explain His Honor that had not been con-