The San Francisco call., 1899-10-20

Government is to the details of the nego-
tiations"
Justifying his conduct of affairs. Mr.
Chamberlain denied that the question of
suzeTainty had needlessly irritated the
IransVaal Government or seriously affect
ed the negotiations. AS for the franchise
for the Outlanders. he declared that the
Government had never shifted its
ground. and that every point advanced at
the BlcemfOntein conference by Sir Alfred
Miner had remained on the paper until
the ultimatum.
MI Chamberlain added: 'I am much
more AFRAID of the charge of being too
moderate than of the charge Of being too
/ lh0eclslVe. The Governments reply to the
Transvaal accented the fve-vear fran
/ chlSe proposal except in respect of the
pledge that Great Britain would not re-
interfere in the Transvaal's internal af-
Ialrs, but they hoped that if the five-year
Iranchlse measure We're carried into eff
rect there would be no occasion for in
terIerence. l believe that influential ad-
Vlsers-l do not mean foreign powers
must nave interviewed and induced the
IahSNaal Government to withdraw their
oner. As for the last proposal formulated
by the British Government. NAV saw
that the desire of the member from West
Monmouthshire (Sir William Vernon Har-
I courD that they be published will never
pe SFatliled. Thnt ultimatum is buried
and is not likely to be resurrected.
! (LaughterD I challenge any one to see
a sign of provocation, blood-guiltiness or
desire Of war in the negotiations. The
Government increased the garrisons for
defense on pressure from the Natal ad-
ninlstration, to whom gratitude and
lhanks are due. Never before have the ad-
mlnlsraton and colony of Natal so COM
pIeteiy identified themselves with the
mother country. They knew they would
be the first to bear the brunt of attack;
yet they threw in their lot, heart and soul,
with the mother country
Her Majesty's present advisers claim
quite as earnestly as any previous Gov
ernment could have claimed to be anxious
1or the honor and interests of the coun-
try. That is why they have supported the
principle Of protection for British sub
lects. Ihat is why they uphold and con-
hrm the suzerainty of England. Our
couhtrymen have given a magnificent
demonstration. not only of LOYALTY hut
of sympathy with the objects of the Gov
eminent on the part of the colonies 7
nave peen as anxious for peace as any
man. put the Government holds that there
are considerations which are even more
important than peace, and one of these is
the maintenance of equality between the
Whlte races in South Africa. In their en-
deaVor TO maintain peace the Government
mas shown endless patience 1t was
PRESIDENT Kruger who settled the issue
he appealed TO the God of battles. If
NAV DO so with reverence, say we accent
that appeal, believing our quarrel lust.
Mr.. Chamberlain, who had spoken two
hours ana three-quarters, resumed his
seat amid loud and prolonged cheers.
Sir Edward Clarke Conservative. roar,-
h.
the correspondence the more convinced
ne had been of blunders in the negotia-
uons and that the lamentable war was
unnecessary. For any Minister to assert
that I'VE since 1854 have had suzeraintv
over the Transvaal." Sir Edward declared
was certainly at variance with the facts
ana breach of national faith Presi-
dent Kruger had had much difficulty with
his Nolksraad, and on many cases had
shown himself moderate and an advocate
OF peace. There was no reason why the
conditions which President Kruger at
tached to the franchise proposals should
not have been accepted, seeing that suzer-
ainty was dropped in 1884
Did Mr. Chamberlain" Sir Edward
asked, think his reply to the TransvaaI
of September s conciliatory?"
Mr.. Chamberlain said "CertainIv.''
Sir Edward Clarke retorted "1'hen 7
taInk thls amendment probed to the hilt''
(Radical cheers)
A brief discussion followed between Mr..
Chamberlain and Sir Edward Clarke
respecting the Interpretation that Should
be placed upon Mr.. Chamberlain's reply.
the Colonial Secretary maintaining that
the tenor of the reply was conciliatory,
saying. We could not accept all of Presi-
dent kruger's conditions, though we ac-
cepted nine-tenths''
Sir Edward rejoined that Chamberlain's
remarks made the matter more and more
sad. II this sort of thing had been going
on the war was a crime against civiliza-
ton 1t was very unfortunate that Par
Lament was not sitting the first week in
September, or the seVen-year franchise
would have been accepted, and there
would have been no war. ChamberIain's
conduct of the correspondence he charac-
teriZed as most clumsy
John Morley, Liberal member for the
greeted with loud cheers by the opposi-
ton He said: "A very material change
has come over the spirit of the discussion
since the brilliant, eloquent, forcible and
Clarke, and 1t now seems as if we are
going to war, not for the franchise, but
for suzerainty. Under the name of para
mountcy we are going to impose on the
TransVaal obligations which the Govern
ment would not, for the life of them
/ dare. impose upon any self-governing col
ony.
Chamberlain interposed: "If we could
imagine such a case Of governing
colony imposing upon majority of its in
habitants such conditions as the Beers
imposed upon British subjects we should
interfere or cut the connection
Mr.. Morley contended that In New
foundland was remarkable case of
alienation of territory in favor of an in
dividual, but though that corresponded
to the position of affairs In the Transyaal
Mr.. Chamberlain refused to interfere
Mr.. Chamberlain said the cases were in
no way comparable.
Mr.. Morley, resuming challenged Mr.
Chamberlain to try to control the educa
tional system In Canada as he had tried
to do in the Trapsvaal. He further said:
II am prepared to Justify my vote in anv
constituency which will give me a fair
hearing. Before a month is past good
sense. love Of justice and hatred of un-
necessary war will entirely justify me
Your former great leader said he brought
back peace with honor" Cries of "Ma
juba'0 This, then. is revenge Goud
Liberal cheers, Mr.. Dillon shouting s.ra
Venge and robbery.O II regret that co
distinguished man should have abano
doned the traditions and examples Of tba
party he formerly led. l do not desire re-
unsay in this House a single word / saiS
in the country" cloud cheers)
Leonard Henry Courtney, sitting for
the division of Cornwall in the I3ba-oI oi
interests. indorsed Mr. Morley. He nra- ca
tested against the exaggeration of The
Outlanders' grievances and conta,dls
that taxation in the Transvaal wes
lighter than in Natal was
Mr.. Balfour, in winding up the dahata
eulogized Mr.. Chamberlain's eapaee, aabfs,
speech" A member crying Butter dPre bjr1
nm a bitt'' was Callad t,ih