The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1899-06-16

always aud tho like q that.
q Doesn't fighting Tor 9, prize make prize
fight A Don't knows there was any Prize.
Q.-Wcll. you saw the fight and didn't inter-
terG? A.IThcre was no occasion 70 Interfere.
A. | said BEFORE tOuchin that. 1t was clean
cut, scientific glove contest. well within the
law
Don't know toucnin' that. One Of EN- fell
down great laughter but got up IN a mo-
ment, sat down in his chair anu shook hands
with his adversary.
REALLY WANTED THE FIGHT STOPPED.
Q.-Mr Witness, when two, fighters differ
materially in weight. do You think the, police
ought to iEtcrfcref A.-tnder some circum-
o. Under what circumstances? .A-Whcn
SG w '" those were the " crc"mstsn"es in
the Fitzsimmons-Jeirrie fight. were they not
They was; and | wanted to stop 1t. and
q How How could %d / help you' A---well you
and this committee is here investigatin'. This
WIS tn" first championship fight that ,Yyer took
plac" IN this part Of the country. and thought
It ought TO be stopped. ,.. -.
. Well you don't think now 1t ought to
have been stopped, do you A. thesitating
moment, No. don't 1t was straight W
ia at"l. y anu '"" '""' '''' -" ~ w
O. Then YOU were there as a sort Of referee?
. Well. YOU wanted the fight stopped. ac.
cording TO interviews with YOU in the papers,
on, and Just went there TO see that the law
was enforced.
roIICE woN'T STOP SUCH rRTzEFIGuTs.
them SO 2ng IS shti son
contest was they can 60 ont A.-So long as
they are within the law, .,,-
O. But you said this contest was within the
q Then any one like II can go on and not be
q Aud it don't matter Il they fight for 500.
600 or 500 900 to you? A.-No. it does not.
PERSONAL OPINION VS.. OFFICIAL OPINION.
q reading from an interview with tho
this, Prom certain opinions Of experts II is
proposed TO have AN old fashioned smuggling
mM,nh at Ss Is aS h"T police viii inter-
fefe and will not allow the public to he gued.
Considering the di.crepancy in their w"lsh,s'
Police and will SEQ that tho law is COMPLIED
with" Did you say that? Al don't know
what you're readin' from. may have said
something like TINT.
@. Well. YOU "vid"ntly changed your opinion.
Why did you do so? Al gave that as my per
sonal opinion, the same a. you'd give your
fight Went r as Chi"f OF Police. watched tho
fight and my official opinion was that the law
hot hot 2nG c, 6S5{on
This answer was altogether too much for
Mr. Clarke, and he coIlapfed The Chief smiled
rom S%"so In IN the conrty"%m BY Mr. MSz$t and
laughed. and then laughed some more.
q, Did you see any heavy blows struck
~d II went T%' there 9s~ , sas sc to
entillc heavyweight bout and | seen it.
CorLpN'T BE SURE ABOUT KNOCKOUT.
Q.-Was there aknock out? A-That | cant
% man went down aud lay on his back
nnrnnscinus. didn't he? Al cant say that
and hH %aaG Sn Of Rs rnr w
Q.,Well. you wanted TO stop the tight but
yielded TO pubIIs cam0r isn o thst about what
Q.-And 80 long as the public demand II,
ehampoRship nght can take place in New
Doesn't Jefrries claim TO be chamnion Of
was wa no no eight Great laughter. in which the
'Q,|Thsn there is no champion Att was
Q.-Then Jetfries is a Horton champion A
That's what he is. he's the champion OF that
Odd he belong to the club' Al can't
statement to the effect that il had been said
that the chief had not interfered with lights
entia! Tammany politician controlled the club.
and that he wouldn't dare Interfere wi tn the
Jeffries- ftzsmm NJ fight because he hadn't
Q.-Is that why you didn't interfere with the
big fight? Alt is not.
BELIEVES IN THE ADVANCEMENT OF SCIENCE.
Dwell, | have read tho provisions of the
law, and it seems clear that the law was VIC;
lated. A.,Th", Jaw was not violated, but as |
told you, Mr. Moss. | wanted TO discourage
here. and if you want. to change the Horton
law YOU can do i. SO far as that fight was con-
cerned. know the law was not violated. Per-
sonally, am opposed to all such things.
Mr. MazetIThen you believe that rrizeiGhts
lieve in amateur contests A.-That's Just it.
Mr. Mazrt. | brlrv" in the advancement OF
science and the knowledge of seIf-dcfence by
Q.-What do you mean by science? Al
mean SOS Young men can take care Of them
Q.-And SO YOU think 1t necessary. with you
as Chief of Police. that young men should be
thugs? A.-Thcre is less crime In the city to-
day than there was when you we're Commits
Fortunately. Mr. Witness. We have some
of your records here. Let's see what they
9S w o t a s6sn IN 2Ha
there were 7O3 rohberies, the value Of tho
goods stolen being SOB l3H. For five months
amount OF goods stolen amounted to sl27."54
That record shows whether. your statement is
record than was made in your administration
In multitude of 100000 people they are not
Q"Weli. now to return to the fight At
outs, We're they acc accidents? AThey were
law A"Mr, clarke id like to have your
Mr.. Mazet i think Mr. Clarke had better do
fer giving his orinion until he and tho witness
u
JEFFRIEs's TAPS.
Mr. Moss then read from nearly every New
York Paper reports Of the Jeffries- Fitzsimmons
fight to show that IitZsmmons had been
Knocked out and knocked ssnseess. Re-
ferring to tn" description Of the last round and
the last two blows struck by Jeffries Mr.. Moss
asked
Odd you see those two blows? Al may
have seen those taps
q prompted by Mr.. Clarke-Were those the
taps that meant lights out2 A. laughing
Don't know whether the lights We're out or
not
Q-Wen. you said before the fight that il
either man was knocked down You would lock
them both w. Fit2simmons was knocked
down. Al don't knows he was. He went
down several times. but he might have slipped
Q-Thon he was weak that he slipped
was heY A.-Nou wouldn't want to have had
him hit you after he got up,
Q Wen. wasn't he knocked down. Al
Il, straight blow. There was no smuggling
Laughter
4. The rrrorts of the fight speak of" sledge-
hammer blows and Of other blows like
those II an axe Ind you sac any fthose A
No, didn't soc no Sl"dg"hammers.
O Well, EUE~ImmonS WAS unconscious
wasn't ne? 4 / can't say touchin that. hut
wouldn't got hit again by that axe you re talk