El Paso daily herald. (El Paso, Tex.) 1881-1901, 1899-11-20
DIR. GRAVES
TESTIFIED
He Was On the Witness
Stand Again This
= Morning.
DR.. HERBERT STEVENSON
For the Plaintiffs, Was Testlfying
When Court Adjourned For
Dinner TOddy-MitnesS Is of the
Opinion That Blood Poisoning
Miuflt Result From Delay.

opinion mat bIOOQ POISONING
Might Result From Delay.
DR.. Graves, of San Antonio, chic
surgeon of the G. 81. & S. A. railway
held down the witness chair in the
district court, where the Hanway case
is being tried, sll Saturday Afternoon
and was called again this morning fol
further cross examination by Waterl
Davis, one of PLAINTIFF attorneys.
On direct examination DR.. Grave
got along well enough and replied &c
Judge Newton's question with perfect
cOmposure, but when CROSS examined
by Judge Clarke and Waters Davis he
became seriously discounted and was
not so ready in mis- admissions.
This morning On cross examination
| when asked concerning the telegram:
that had passed between DR.. Turner
and himself he stated that he had not
directed or instructed DR.. Turner tC
delay the operation, but had simply
| advised him, leaving the responsibility
| of the operation entirely to DR.. Turner,
He said he left DR.. Turner to think as
he pleased. draw his own conclusions
and act as he thought best and had not
| attempted to ointerfere.
81 am very positive man." said DR..
Graves, 81 give commands when give
them and make suggestions where l
do not see proper to give commands.
In the hands of Waters Davis DR..
Graves was seriously disturbed on
cross examination. He doubted his
own memory in regard to the contents
of the messages sent to DR.. Turner and
messages advising delay. as alleged by
DR.. Turner in his own defense.
CALLED DOWN BY THE COURT.
The court Interrupted the proceed
ings at one point this morning by
calling Waters Davis down for asking
questions alleged to be immaterial.
The chief attorney for plaintiff made q
q strong plea in behalf of his cliene,
siding judge to offer objections where
the attorneys for the defense offered
none. He contended that the questions
were entirely material, but the court
ruled otherwise.
SIN the Hsnway case, in your
opinion, did you consider that an
operation on the 18th was dangerous,
although the surgeon in charge
advised an immediate operation?"
asked sMr. Davis.
81 think it would have been GRIMM
al to have operated at Ia. m. on the
morning of the l2th.''
Then if Turner had operated it
would have been crimip al?''
Ppm talking about myself, not DR..
Turner, but l would consider it Grimm
al for me to operate on a man in the
condition of Hanwsy on the morning of
the 18th.
81 understood you to say that the
conclusion reached by you was that
Hanwsy died either from fatty en-
bolism or toxin poisoning and that the
reasons for your conclusion were about
evenly balanced, with the preponder-
ence of evidence in favor of fatty en-
bolism?
"Yes, sir.
"In the treatment of a patient, does
not physician guard closer against
other poisons than he does against en-
bolism?" Does he ever think of en-
bolism?'
"Yes. sir; he thinks about it, but
when We have packed charcoal about
the wound and washed it with anti
septics we always feel that there is no
danger of infection. But We never
relax our fight against bacilli and
while we know that the first blow
renders them inert, we continue to Ap-
ply destructive substances even after
the amputation and exclude the wound
from exposure to light and air.
AND OTHER INVISIBLE
THINGS.
Isn't fatty embolism an improved
theory?"
"No cir: post mortems demonstrate
that these oil globules get into the
blood and vital organs:"
isn't one drop of these bacill pois- |
onous enough to kill q man?''
Yes, sir, because they continue to
Nov, if that fat got into the blood of |
the man, what was it doing all this 36 |
hours before the man died?''
"Well, these oil globules were hun
ing around for an artery of sufficient |
,alibre to convey them to the vital or
yans and after being whipped down
Ind broken up by the circulation they
ound such artery and passed through |
causing death. These molecules do
lot produce instantaneous death, they
lave to have q little time to prove
destructive to life.''
DR.. Turner testified that the fatty
molecules passed rapidly to
he vital organs and produced death
quickly.
In your opinion isn't the danger
rom germ poisoning increased by delay:
q other words the greater the delay
he greater the dsnger?'
''No sir. not if the proper treatment
3 applied to the wound"
Might not bacteria get into the
VOund In the Same manner as fatty
IN bolism?'
"Yes, sir; they might get in the
anne way. through the circulation,
Captain Beall:-"Doctor did you
ave any Instructions from the rail-