New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-06-03
Mr. Moss-Strike that out.
The Chalrman-Strike II out.
PERJURY LAID TO DIR. PARKHUR

Mr.. Moss-Strke that out.
The Charman-Strike 1t out.
PERJURY LAID TO DIR. PARKHURST.
The witness-To commit perJury-not wifu per-
jury but to fasey-you did
Mr.. Moss-Stop.
Mr. Clarke-Captain Captain.
Mr. Moss-Iet us see II we have got the record
right He said let DR.. Parkhurst into the Grand
Jury room to commit perjury
The Witness-Not ,wilful perjury
The Chairman-Do you want that TO stand!
Mr. Moss-Yes. let that stand.
Q-Now, DR.. Parkhurst witness? Al
don't know: you ought to know didn't see him
The Chairman-Captain Price you answer that
question.
The Witness-I don't know
Odd you see Mr. Osgood there witness7
Al did not.
Odd you several society detectives there
as witnesses? A.-No did not
Q.-Do you not know that there went before the
Grand Jury a number OF the officers and detectives
OF the Society for the Prevention OF Crime TO COM
plain OF your neglect Of duty regarding that dis
rict? A-No. l know there job put up to
ndict
Ooh yes. Await a minute. | will answer
your question. l applied to the Supreme Court for
the records OF the Grand Jury and hold them to-
day and the proof indsputable OF having me In
dicted for perjury.
Q-what was the perjury Al decline at this
|
any court of record where you want to bring me-
Q-Having reiterated your charge-your SANDER
In the name OF justice. fair play, OF YOU as an
officer Of the Police Department, | demand that
you state who the perjurer was, and how he was
produced there? A.-By advice OF counsel / de-
cline to answer at this stage. but will meet you
in any court OF record where you choose to bring
me.
Owe here sir A-Thls is not a court
of record.
WON'T BACK UP HIS CHARGE.
OIL remind you, witness-wat-that you have
chosen this forum to make that accusation. after
having waited for five years. Now. in the forum
of your own choice, make your charge good, sir
| Alt is with you to bring me TO any place where
| I can make this good on record.
o. have you here now and you up to the
| line: cross IT, Al am right here In front Of you
Q.-Cross the line and tell me? A.-No I am
ready here to meet you In any court OF Justice
where you may bring
The Chairman-He states that under the advice
! OF counsel he declines to produce the proof.
Mr. Moss-That was after reiterating the state
ment, Mr. Chairman.
The Witness-I decline to give you the proof.
| Mr.. Moss-Now, | will ask you IT, the result
| OF the testimony given by the residents of that
| block by Dr. Parkhurst by other officers and
agents of the Society for the Prevention of Crime
1t is fact that several persons occupants and
owners of dsorderly houses in that block. were in
dcted? At Is absolutely untrue, the result OF
| that petition
Q-I am not saying as the result OF that petition:
saying a result Of the testimony in that
proceeding. A.-No.
Q-Was anybody indicted? A-Dennett, of Chi
| cago was the unfortunate man.
| Q-Never mind bennett of Chicago.
! The Chairman-The stenographer will read that
| question. and you can answer II.
| The Wltness-I am ready TO
The Chairman-You needn't argue with me. I
don't want TO argue this matter with you
The Witness-I want TO ask you little advice.
| The Chairman-You want ask my advice?
The Wtness-Yes; you chairman of this COM
mittee.
! The Chairman-Do you want advice?
FIGHT TO FINISH
The Witness-Yes; you are lawyer and I
not. am here under protection, and here to
finish with Mr. Moss
The Chairman-I decline to give you any advice,
under the circumstances.
| Mr. Moss-I move that that be stricken out that
! he Is here to finish with Mr. Moss.
The Witness-That isn't on the record that is only
a talk between
The Chairman-Strke out all Of that last state
ment. We not here for any fireworks We
! are here for business.
! The Wltness-I M not playing the gallery
| Q.-Now. as TO the testimony 10 which you
say part perjured testimony, Blessing in
! dcted? A.-That is a
! Q.-Was he indicted? Ayes and dismissed after
! investigation, and has a civil suit pending for
! $4,000 now and you are the lawyer In that
Mr.. Henderson-we are here examined by
| sci who is defending that suit and who is trying
| 10 get evidence against him.
The Chairman-I will take care of this proposition
Mr.. Moss Ito the witness)-Now. don't laugh al
me.
The Witness-I will laugh.
! Mr.. Henderson, don't think you understand the
! proposition now, Mr.. Chairman or you would not
hesitate for moment
The Chairman-I comprehend II; | understand II
! thoroughly
Mr. Henderson-Do you understand there is
lawsuit pending against these people, and that
| Mr.. Moss Is their counsel?
The Witness-I understand 1t.
| Mr.. Henderson-Then l shall advise Captain
! Price to decline to answer.
The Chairman-You have already advised him to
| decline 10 answer
Mr.. Moss-Mr. Chairman think IT is necessary
to be Arm. You have already warned Mr.. Hen
derson that II he addressed you again he would
| have TO leave the room.
The witness-I will leave the room II my counsel
| leaves the
Mr. Moss-If you think you are In a position TO go
you may
MIR. MAZET MAKES A RULING.
The Chairman-Mr Moss this committee is OF
| the opinion that unless this witness answers the
| question now he be removed from the room with
his counsel at once That is the ruling of the COM
mittee.
Mr. Hoffman, desire II to be recorded that Mr..
Boand and myself dissent. that this committee has
| no power to make any leave the room that IL
is contrary to the statutes OF the State Of New
| York and that the question Is an absolutely UNI
fair question: that II is question concerning this
matter; that this witness who is being interro-
| gated is being Intercepted In matter now pend
| ing In the courts in which the counsel for this
| committee Is attorney for party in the action
Mr. Moss-Just moment. Mr.. Chairman. let
the record be correct this matter. l understand
the proprieties OF practice well any one does.
and have strenuously and continually endeayored TO
subordinate my feelings and personal interest
j - IL. hau mt asLed