The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-02-23

and all these questions are raised, and
1 don't know where to begin or what TO
say. I thought 1 was making state
ment that was Ineligible L uldn
know where 1 got to.
The conversation that you had with
Mr.. Jackson and Mr. Chambers ana
which was repeated to Mr.. Harris L
will bring you now up to Mr. Harms,
at the McCune headquarters. 1 had
previously been to see FISHER Harris.
Have you stated that. | think did
Was this the second conversation? 1t
was the second or third.
You found Jackson and Chambers
Will you give us the first conversation
you had with Mr. Harris2 All right;
| that is what 1 wanted to do. l called
there about $3.50 and after the man /
| had sent out for Mr.. Jackson had re-
turned, and we did not find him, l then
| told Harris that Jackson was to meet
Chambers Sunday night, and whatever
the result of that conference might be,
L did not know, but 1 would let him
know. l was not a party to it further
than at Chambers request, 1 told him
that had been unable TO find him, and
he said, You must find him and have
him go up there. Now" he says, you
go and find him" 1 says, My judg-
ment is he is probably at home, asleep.
and that accounts for mis- non appear
ance." and he says, You go down for
him. 1 said, Il will take a car" He
said, Take anything; take a car
riage; go and see him and
have him see Chambers. Then, after
that, ] found him at the Cullen, and L
said, Are you willing now to go up
and see Chambers" and he said, Yes;
of course; no reason why L should not
1 said. well, Chambers is at his once,
and we can go there, if you say SO.
nm. IL ra1l
tween them, which can repeat or not,
as you please. When it was over,
Jackson and I started out. but Mr..
Chambers called me back and said he
had somebody's wedding cards, so that
l stayed minute or two TO talk to MIN.
What was the conversation? l
thought you didn't want it.
What? All right, all right; If you
are willing.
TOO MUCH NONSENSE.
Shurtliff-Proceed. We don't want
any nonsense between the attorney
and witness. Go on with the story.
You left Chambers and went to the
McCune headquarters? 1 went to The
Herald office.
Where did you go further? I did a
good deal of work there and then went
down to McCune's headquarters, about
1870.
Did you see Fisher Harris there?
did.
was he alone? Well, there were
other people there in the room. My
conversation was with him alone.
In which room? | think it was
second or third small room.
Was he there alone? l think he went
in there with me.
Private consultation room. Did he
close the door? There is no door into
= a.
ton. I think it is just partitioned of.
1 don't recall any door, 1t seems to me
it is a lumber partition built across,
l suppose eight feet or so.
1t was built inside of a room? Yes,
sir.
Sideboard in there? If there was
there may have been-I don't know.
did not take note of It. Probably there
is.
JACKSON'S PROMISE.
Didn't investigate that? You had a
private talk with Fisher Harris? What
did you and Fisher Harris say there?
1 told him that I had finally found
Jackson, and that he was perfectly
willing to go over to Chambers, and
that he did so, and that / was along,
and told him that Mr.. Chambers had
said, jackson, how do you stand on
this senatorial contest?" Jackson an
D
that McCune at that time was not his
choice for senator, but just as soon as
I it was demonstrated that his candidate
was defeated, or stood no ShOW-I
think that was the term-and if Nc
Cune. was running his campaign on the
square, he would go to McCune and
vote for him. But he said he-would
not do that until he knew his candidate
stood no show. He did not propose to
/ fit around from bush to bush, some
thing of the kind, or be a weather
vane; that when he came to McCune
he would stay. if his man stood no
show and if McCune'S campaign was
/ run on the square.
( Mr. Dickson-That is, free from
bribery and corruption? Yes; that is
what he said, Mr.. Dickson.
! Evans-You are repeating what the
! conversation was? Yes. Mr.. Cham
bers said that he had told the people
over at headquarters (McCune'S)
that he believed ultimately, when
! Jackson's other choice or choices were
/ out of the race, that he would be Will
1 ing to support McCure Mr. Cham
bers remarked. when viii you
I be willing to come? Mr.. Jackson
said, tomorrow, 1 am obliged to vote
/ for Mr.. King on some ballots; that
would be Monday, but thereafter, and
/ possibly on Monday, for all that 1
know. he would vote for Mr.. McCUne,
provided his own choice or choices
stood no show in this contest, and Mr..
! McCune's campaign was run on the
square; that was all he cared about.
B The entire conversation was just
as friends would talk. Than we started
I out, and Chambers called me back as
! have stated. / believe l am telling
Fisher Harris now, about the CONVEX
sation. Harris then said to me,
can we make sure of JacksOn's
vote? 1 said, Mr.. Harris, L don't
know anything further than what
1 am repeating to you in my state
draw his own conclusions from that.
He says, well, it must be secured.
Were you sitting down? 1 do not
/ think so He says, we have got 10
know where we are in this voting. l
says, we'll that seems to be assurance
enough Harris was very much inter-
ested in the outcome of this conversa-
/ ton; that is, what Jackson had with
Chambers.
! HARRIS NATURALLY ANXIOUS.
Wasn't he anxious, Mr. Wins, about
the outcome of the McCune election?
[ don't doubt that for a minute. He
may have been anxious about that, too;
but what he was talking about to me
was the conversation, the outcome of
the conversation with Mr.. Jackson and
Chambers. That closes the CONVERSE
ton 1t was after II o'clock. He came
right along with me, through the
rooms and to the stairway l think He
said, now you see him again tonight,
and have this thing secured so we may
know absolutely that he is going to
vote for McCune, if he is. And 1 said,
| q Ii right l will do il II nccIIrrad To