The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-02-25

| Did you know Mr.. WINS had then
been TO and returned from Mr.. Nc
Cune,s headquarters. by anything that
he said? L did not, on that evening,
you mean? 3sf ,
Yes, sir. 1 did not.
We're the charges against Mr.. WINS
having attempted to bribe jackson at
the instance OF Mr.. Harris, were they
there in the room while you were talk
ing? They We're.
Who were present? Besides Mr.. WINS
and myself, there were Mr.. Mckay,
! managing editor of The Herald, and Mr..
Reese, reporter of The Herald, A. c.
! Reese.
At that time and in the presence of
/ those persons, was E. G.. WINS asked in
substance as to what had taken place
| between himself and Harris, and did he
( say, or WINS say, that at the time he
1 talked with Harris, that when they
! went out TO the head of the stairs that
| Harris had said to him, Twins, go and
find Jackson, if necessary take a car
riage, or take three carriages, never
mind the expense, see him at once and
secure his vote" and some persons
/ there asked Mr.. WINS what he under
/ stood the word Expense" to mean, and
/ he said that he understood it to mean
/ the hiring of a carriage, and turning
to the charges as they lay there, charg-
ing him with having attempted to bride
! Jackson at the instance of Harris, he
says, That is God damned lie''? Did
Mr.. WINS say that? That is my recol-
| lection.
Cross-examination by Mr.. Evans:
| Who propounded these questions to
Mr.. WINS? 1 believe that 1 did.
You did? What for. / had read the
! charges: 1 wanted to see what Mr.
WINS thought about it.
What question did you PROFOUND to
him first? Ny recollection is that 1
asked him what those charges referred
to, what he understood in the CONVEX
sation over there or those charges re-
ferred to, the supplemental charges,
and he said that probably they referred
to that conversation; / asked him. then,
if he understood or inferred from any
thing that was said there that his SER
vices We're needed to secure Jackson's
vote by bribery and he said he did not
so understand il.
Was that all: that is all WINS him
self did not understand it? Yes, that
he did not so understand it.
That he did not understand he was TO
bride Mr.. Jackson? Yes sir; that was
the question l asked him, and his an
SWer.
That was what he denounced as a
damned lie? No; he reached over and
he said. let me see those charges; /
would like to read them; 1 handed
them to him; he read them over; ! pre-
sumo he read over that particular
charge; was looking on the sheet of
paper that contained the charge, and he
said, THAT is a God damned lie
What was a lie? Well, he had his
finger on the paper.
That is. that he intended himself to
bride Mr.. Jackson? Well, l couldn't tell
what his thoughts were.
That is all he said about it? That is
what he said.
Then the explanation upon his part
that so far as he was concerned. he
didn't intend to bride Jackson-and
the intimation of that fact. that it was
a damned lie? / can only tell you
what he did; he asked for the charge;
[ showed it to him, pointed it out and
handed him the paper; he read it over,
as I believe, and made that remark:
Well, now, what else was said? Oh,
he related the circumstances of meet
ing in Senator Chambers room at
which the senator and Jackson We're
present.
How did he relate that to you? He
was telling that when I entered the
room, my room is adjoining the room
in which this conversation took place.
When I got in there he was telling
"
berS room.
WAS PLEDGED BY RYAN.
What did he say occurred there? He
said that Jackson was there and had
made a voluntary promise to vote for
Mr.. McCune; had told Senator Cham
bers that he couldn't do so until after
he had discharged some obligation
that Henry Ryan had placed him I'M
der to Judge King. That he would
have to vote once or twice for Judge
King to discharge that obligation, and
that after that he expected to come to
Mr.. McCune; that is my recollection
of the statement.
That is the substance of all you re-
member that was said there. Now.
what else did he say? He told about
leaving the room and separating from
Jackson and going to his desk to go to
work. He said that about half past
II he went over to AIcCune's headquar-
tiers and had a talk with Fisher Har-
ris. During this conversation, 1 cannot
recall just how ii came up. but he had
this conversation; he made some re-
mark, or. some remark was made, about
Jackson having gone to drinking again
and that he thought he ought TO go
and find him.
Well, go ahead? That Mr.. Harris in
sisted on him going to find him, and
spoke about the lateness of the hour;
Mr.. WINS spoke about the lateness of
the hour and said that probably he
would have to go to a number of places
before he would run across Jackson,
and that Harris told him to find him
and never mind the expense, or words
to that effect; to get a carriage or get
two carriages, if necessary, or some
thing like that that is my best recol-
lection.
Well, is that all? That is all 1 recol-
lect Just now.
That is all that you recall that he
said, is it? That is all that L recall
just now; might recall something else
if my memory were refreshed.
Mr. Van Colt asked you a question
that contained elements that you Iave
not stated anything about yet; do you
think of anything else he said? 1 do
not at this moment.
Was there anything else that Mr.
Van Colt asked you about except that
which you have stated; you don't re-
member that MIR. WINS said? i don't
recall it Just now, no. sir.
Is McCune interested in The Herald,
is he? interested as an employee, yes,
sir.
McCune? In what?
McCune, I say? 1 am not particu-
larly interested in McCune.
No, no; is McCune interested in The
Herald, l asked you? Well. my under
standing is that he is; know nothing
of IL personally. l am hard of hearing,