New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-05-19

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with an axe? A.-We. would have gone with
Q-You would? 1t was bad enough for that? A.
Q.-That is. under the circumstances circum-
stances being unusually bad-you would go without
warrant OF law, because Of the moral necessity
places Is that so? A-if he committed any act in
violation OF law he responsible for IT, III,
club spprovsd q his going o0 w,h dss
In certain the law gives the officer the right
to go with an axe. II he can't get In otherwise.
THEY THREATENED CHAPMAN.
Q-was that the conditions there that justified
the use Of the axe and club? A.-well, we left him
! to Judge OF the conditions. We told him what
suits wanted. and he got the result. II he had
not got them would have sent him somewhere
! else. out OF the force
| Q-Or out OF the force? Ayes think told
! him myself that | would make a complaint against
him II he did not stop that vice or eradicate IT,
| Q-Do you know whether he did eradicate that
vice there? Al think he did much as It was
cate the original sin.
Q-But weren't these people gathered into houses.
and weren't these houses permitted to exist upon
the payment Of money? Did you ever look Into that
question? A.INo. not that know Of tried to
QLYou heard the rumor. didn't you? A.-There
Q..There was enough for you to look into it? A.
And did look into 1t. ,....-
Chapman went mt in V there 'uq %Yes
.Q.-How long was cooney in that precinct? A
Sergeant Cooney only in there temporarily.
GLOW long? Al can't state how long; not
Q-Yon never put him trial, did you? A-on
oon ACCOUNT Of his neglect S Of duty in that pre-.
not neglect his duty when he tries to do the best
he can, and don't succeed in doing all that some
body else might do We sent him TO another pre-
cinct.
Q-why did you allow that precinct to get into
such condition as required the heroic measures
tina: were adopted by Captain Chapman by your
sanction? Alt existed. as ascertained. before
came into office and before the new charter went
into effect. We were dealing with very chronic
| difficulty. II was so while you were there, 100
DRIVEN TO 1T BY CLAMOR.
(Which had grown to an enormous extent. so
that such articles as this OF Franklin Matthews,
and such afidavits those of ministers that
have read had to be published. Isn't 1t fact that
your Board was driven by public clamor to go in
and cleanse out that district? A.-No. 1t was not
| fact.
Q.-Do you remember that after public accuse:
tions had been made on that score another body OF
lions through the East Side issued their statement
to the and s snf S e ee o
you remember that it was called Round Robin?
(Which was published generally in the news
papers? A,Yes YES o,,r nonor,r,or, undertook 70
cleanse that moral plague-spot there had to be an
uprising in the press and uprising OF the min
listers in that neighborhood? A.-No. there hadn't
Q-No? A.ENo l addressed myself to that sub
ject Immediately and worked upon it all the time.
Q.-Were there not published at that time allega-
scrpons almost uRnreadabe because Of the
| less vices that hourished there? AYES, and they
Q.p p2'' are published today and those places
are there to-day, practically without police inter
ference. aren't they? A-No. not without ponce
Q.-what interference is there? Are you coping
Q.-Are You aware that those places the Bow
cry largely patronlzed by girls seventeen fifteen
know that some Of the girls who committed sui.
eide at McGurk's place were under hfteen years OF
Voc. nd no MI la
Q.-Is 1t? Is it? Is it. Mr.. Abel. practically? A
In that character It Is.
BOYS AND GIRLS TEMPTED NIGHTLY.
Q-what were they doing last night there? A.
I wasn't there last night.
| Q.-Last week? Al don't know. Maybe you
| can tell me II you there.
| Q.-Do you know what going on In the Volks
Garden last week? A.-No can't be present at
Q.-Do you know about the system of boxes In
those places. private boxes, and what Is done In
| them? Al have heard of such things go
Q.-And how boys and girls may enter themF A
Q@what are you doing to protect the boys and
girls Of this neghborhood against those places? A.
| Trying to keep them down; to keep the boys and
| girls out If we can And have been trying TO
close up lot OF those places. and am against CIV
Ing any licenses to them - 1900, ,.ou,. 50
Gently in giving concert licenses to some OF those
very places. hasn't it? Ayes; and places exist
| Ooh we didn't give any licenses; that is where
you mistaken. A.-You gave them license to
oAre you acting in harmony 9Th the W5 rest of Of
y y6e mean nSanu by SG acting in harmony.
| Q.-Have you dissented in your vote from grant
ing licenses to these concert halls where you say;
| YOU are trying TO keep the boys and girls out OF
Them A.-Well. voted against some of them.
| Q-Against which ones? A.-Wen, cannot
o.~WeH. I can find them for you, If necessary
AoCan ' you name single one of those Bowery
or Eighth-ave. concert dives where you have voted
"e oWh ili? A"We, cannot give you the pre-;
else number now can te you Pt tbere ' are some
places down near Chatham Square that was OPP
posed to licensing
HIS MEMORY AT FAULT.
Odd they carry them over your head In the
Board? Al am unable to say now. can took at
the records That occurred before-I called
hastily out of the city, and have not had time to
ODD you vote for license for Mr.. Hertz at
that 'nieighborhood? A.-Hertz?
QYes AWhdSt It s.I the ts n9 nsce Of the place.
sir Al go nnn by y yae or sH Of Of b t4e
places in my mn to 9F licensing STs Ve or SIX
o-You we're opposed 70 some of them. but not
Concert places were recensed? Al cannot say
that because I have not looked at the record
DO you remember that several OF them ", were
held BY the srd seyera W OF them
held up and held up at the last meeting had
with the Board before held "p Because the inspector
Of police had reported that ne was not satish l
| with the way they mad been conducted and they
had been referred back TO the chief and arsG
! YOU remember that? A.-No; don't remember
| any such thing. l remember some OF them We're
| held un that were reported TO be-as recolect
reported to be-the report was favorable
O[Some OF these places had been given propa-
| tionary licenses had they not-licenses Tor a
| short time? A-Not probationary licenses; no. sir
| O-IIcenses until August? A-When they apply
| the law provides they may have license Tor less
! than one wear and they pay so much Tor IT,
| O-But they applied for longer than August
! didn't they? Avery few. | guess
SHORT-TERM LICENSES
| Q-I>et me read you this news item. Al don't
go by that.
Mr. Moss (readng)-"rhe Police Board yesterday