The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1899-04-16

seIl IoH as maze Dy MI. Croker yeSter-
day that if it should be proven that he
/ had ever received dishonest money from
the city he would allow his right arm to
be cut Off
Are you willing to make the PROPOSE
ton that if dishonorable money or dis
honorable transactions are laid at your
door you will part with your fortune
and with your liberty?" asked Mr.
Moss.
Yes" said Mr.. Croker.
That is more to the point and more
to the purpose" replied Mr. Moss.
Mr.. Croker declined to talk regarding
his financial circumstances when he
returned from Europe in 1897. 1t was.
he said, his personal affair. The same
reason was given for refusing to an
sWer the question if he had given his
son Frank $4,000 to go into the Roeb-
ling Construction company.
| While my son has been in the Roeb-
ling company" said Mr.. Croker, lit
has never received a contract from the
city, so that it does not concern Ghis
committee at ALL" with warmth Mr.
| Croker added.
Il have the utmost confidence in that
boy and if you can destroy him in the
city, as you are working to dO-tllis
committee, it seems, has made a set
against my two sons-and if you can
destroy him and not allow him to go
| into business, 1 suppose you will do
| so.
Go on and examine Mr.. Platt's firm,
Mr.. Croker said holly, and find out
what his boys are in, if you want to
| be honest. You go and examine the
people who brought you here to exam
inc us. That is the gentleman (Mr
PlatD who puts YOU here TO examine
us. You go and examine his firm.
They are at the foundation of all the
corruption in this city. L say that
| there is more corruption in that firm
today and it is run by all or mostly
all the corporations in this state-there
is more corruption in that firm than
anywhere else. You go and examine
that firm now to be fair, and bring
their books here
Mr.. Moss said the matter Mr.. Croker
had spoken of was in no way connected
with the local government You make
that matter in any way pertinent to this
inquiry and l will examine into it," said
the lawyer.
The committee will throw it off," re-
Mr.. Croker continued to leclaim
against the Plat influence and the platt
firm, which he said was to pay Mr.. Moss
fee. Continuing, he said:
Mr.. Platts firm is taking all the cor
porations by retainer. They could not
get the city departments, the people
would not give them that. The people
put us in charge of the city departments
and We are responsible to the people for
them. You find one of the city depart
ments or any one in the city departments
who is doing wrong and tell me, and |
will be one of the first persons to help
get him out"
NOT AFRAID OF CONVICTION.
Mr.. Croker said he was not afraid of
convicting himself or of discriminating
himself. but thought there was no law
or reason for Mr.. Moss to come down
here and examine into his private affairs.
n Mr.. Croker said there were no state
senators present at the Tammany club
dinner on Thursday night because their
place was in Albany at their business.
And you told them so, didn't you:'
asked Mr.. Moss.
Yes" said the witness.
"And they obeyed you?'
Il think they did" said Mr.. Croker.
Mr.. Croker admitted that he had given
instructions that Assemblyman ReddinS
ought to be reprimanded for the Amstec-
dam grab.
Have you not since Jan. 1 been short
1000 shares of Manhattan stock in one
office at Broad street," asked Mr.. Moss.
changing the subject.
Mr.. Croker declined to answer
Mr.. Moss said the questions about Man.
haitian stock were asked because of he
movement of the Tammany organization
with regard TO the Manhattn elevated.
edge" said Mr.. Moss And which will be
proved at their proper time.
Mr. Croker denied that an investigation
in the Manhattan elevated road had been
ordered with the object of compelling 1t
TO allow the stringing OF air ana power
pines along its structure; Again and
again Mr.. Croker refused to tell OF mis-
relations with companies.
I'VE have a right to know how a man
that controls the municipal actions is able
to go and put his hand on business men
an MI for H.
ing. You dare not say that you have not
done it, do you?" said Mr.. Moss.
flashing. Then in quieter tones he added;
mo. won't tell my private affairs, and
Mr.. Moss said:
MOSS DAREs THE BOSS.
You dare not. Isn't it a fact, Mr..
Croker. that simply because you are the
leader of Tammany Hall and because, as
such leader YOU control the city depart
ments. you have been taken into the
Auto-truck company and given large
amount of stock to secure your infiu-
ence?"
you are away off" Mr.. Croker said that
he was practical locomotive builder. He
was not worth million dollars. Mr.;
Croker declined to answer when asked
if he was not given $4,000 of the Auto
truck stock without the payment of Il
dollar
control of street franchises. Mr.. Croker
placed the responsibility upon the city de-
partments Mr.. Croker said he did not
interfere in patronage.
Il never ask for a place for a person"
he declared.
Some times they make it worth your
while. not to object, don't they?' asked
Mr.. Moss.
No sir" said Mr. Croker
The examination here turned on Mr..
Moss integrity as president of the police
board in the last months of Mayor
Strong's administration. Mr.. Croker had
no charges to make, but had "a general
impression.
Mr.. Moss asked Mr. Croker if he did
not receive from Bourke Cochran part of
the latters fee for getting q resolution
through the board of aldermen at the
time when the Broad Street railroad
changed its motive power from horse
power to cable. Mr.. Croker did not re-
member that he did not receive any such
money. Finally. Mr.. Croker said he would
only swear that he did not remember re-
ceiving any such money.
when you received from Mr. Cochran
a sum of money. did you not have d fur
Their conversation with him and ask him
for more?" insisted Mr.. Moss.
Il object to answering that question"
And did not he refuse to give you
more?" Again the witness objected to an
swer.
II don't remember anything about it.
There is no foundation at all for that. Mr..
Cochran wanted to be a United States
senator. and if you want to know. 1 OPP
posed him. because we thought he was
not man fit for the place. We had a
man whom we preferred"
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A Choice of Terms.
washington Starr
"Is this new combination what you
would you call a trust?" asked the young