The news & observer. [volume] (Raleigh, N.C.) 1894-current, 1899-09-23

strap
Il think you can infict as much pun
ishment as a prisoner ought to undergo.
| never knew it to blister a man."
Mr.. Russell said he had seen the Sum
merell and Rhem straps and he thought
you could kill man with either; and
that to strike one over the head with
the butt end of Summerell's might frac-
ture the skull"
Don't you think firmness and a
moderate amount of punishment goes
further with prisoner than extreme
brutal punishment
"That is my experience"
"Have you ever heard complaints
from the ether farms"
t'No"
do you find that prisoners object to
returning to Sunmerellg'
''All that I've ever seen tell me they
don't want to go back"
Did you ever hear complaints of
Summerel from any others than CON
yicts?''
Eyes. Guards and employees that have
gone there have come back and COM
planned"
rs Summerell a good supervisory
'"The best in the State"
HAS he not .the reputation of being
Il passionate man,"
SHE has. He is quick to get mad
and has strong prejudices.''
THE FROST BITTEN MEN.
"Have you any men here that were
brought here frost-bitten from North
ampton farmF
"Yes-Willis Richardson, Pat Greedy
and Henry Cowan. Henry Cowan had
one hand frost bitten very badly and
has not been able to do any work. He
has lost two fingers and possibly others
will have to come off. Willis Richard
son has only a thumb left.
did they ever tell you where they
were cold hurt 2"
''They told everybody it was at North
ampton."
Did you ever hear complaints of this
character during former administra-
tions?"
Yes"
"0f whom?"
Captain Fleming. The convicts said
he WAS very severe"
Can yen give us the names of some
witnesses on this point =
Il think j. ID. Hunnicutt can tell you
all about it,
rs he here nowT'
Hes hall clerk
Don't you think furnishing convicts
liable to make men hardened?'
II do"
Have you heard such complaints of
other supervisors as of Summerell?''
NO"
AND NO ONE DEFENDS HIM.
Since these complaints have been
made of Summerell have you ever heard
any one connected with the State prison
defend Summerell and say they didn't
believe him guilty."
Il have not"
Has any effort been made on the
part of the authorities of the Central
Prison to find out if these reports are
true?'
yes the executive committee and
Captain Day have used every effort to
ascertain the truth of the reports"
DO you know the findings of that
committee"
Il do not"
when did that investigation first
begin?"
Along in the spring.
What per cent of your men do you
find it necessary to discipline during
their termY
Not one-third."
''no you make it rule to send your,
worst men to Summereil?v
I'VE sent a few of them last fall.
Mr.. Mewborne ordered it done"
''Have you ever found 1t necessary to
have prisoner shot in order to subdue
him?''
mo. / threatened to shoot one once
Tom Shadrack."
BABIES BORN IN THE PEN.
did you know DR.. Kirby Smith,"
Yes. He had charge or the crimi-
nal insane, ] think. lie said he had
it at any rate. His father put him
there"
Were there any scandals connected
with him."
1t was reported that ne was too in
innate with one of the inmates"
Was the matter ever investigator"
Yes, and the directors removed him."
DO you think he was competent?"
Il do not
''Have there been any births in the
penitentiaryY
Eyes"
1.-The children begotten hereY'
Yes. One last year and twins this
year. Lou Saunders was the mother of
the twins She has been here ten or
twelve years, and in the Central Prison
about three years. She has given birth
to four children since she has been
here"
rs Sarah Franklin still hereT'
''Yes.''
HAS she a child?"
"She has"
''Do you know who is the father of
Lou Saunders childrenY'
"She said it was an outsider-a man
named Andrews, who was here work
ing on the pipes. We had no such
man here. My belief is that it was
a white convict. We had some white
convicts up there at work and | think
the guard was too slack.
what time was Sarah Franklin's
child born?'
"On March Goth, according TO the
records"
WAS Sam Moore in the employment
of the State Prison ut the time the
child was begotten"
Gle was"