The San Francisco call., 1899-01-24
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9. Arguments of the chances of differ

9. Arguments of the chances of differ
A. l made no effort to influence any
member of this Legislature on this ques-
tion
@. Well, you maintain it is your right
as a citizen, to present any arguments
| you see Mt, that are proper arguments, for
not?
A That is very true; but 1 am giving
you the facts about what L have done
Mr. Mellick-If any member of the Leg
lslature should apply for pass who
Would De the proper officer in your COM
pany to get it from?
A. | suppose any one that would grant
1t TO him would be the proper officer, but
9. You can't put a fellow on now?
a. NO. NO, could not tell you any one
the asking.
q. No; but want to know this: Yousay
that you are not the officer that issued
the passes. Well, who is?
A. Well, countersign passes. That is,
can issue a pass in that way.
q. Well, now then, who is the officer
that signs passes regularly?
A. Well, there are several officers that
do. L don't know how many officers sign
passes | think each one of the vice pres
idents can do it, and the president and
secretary; and the superintendent of di
visions, think, have the power, although
don't know about that. Mr.. H. E. Hunt
lngton Us an assistant to the president:
Mr. Stuhbs is one of the vice presidents,
ne can issue passes; Mr.. Kruttschnitt.
the general manager think he is also a
vice president
@. If note should come to any of these
gentlemen from Colonel Burns he would
probably issue transportation the same as
you did for this friend, Assemblyman
A: No, don't think he would. AS
SAID before that probably would be re-
1erred to me and no action taken on it
without referring it to me.
The chairman-While you are on that
let me interrupt you moment and then
yGu Wr Ma1Yiogg may 60 end on with your examination,
lick would come to you and ask you for
passes for a friend or two and offered to
pay, would you issue them?
Mr.. Mellick-Offered to pay for it
Mr.. Lardner-Did the pay from Colonel
Burns come Immediately when the tick
cts were issued or was 1t after the Chron-
icle article came out?
A. don't remember when it was-a few
days after the transaction-I think the
first time / met the colonel.
Q. After the Chronicle article came out?
A. think it was before.
Q. But it was not the day you issued
the tickets?
late in the afternoon.
Mr.. Mellick-Do you know of any trans
portation having been issued at the re-
quest of Senator Bulla?
A. | know of none.
Q. 1t is charged in the newspapers that
a, great many1and here on the stand by
Mr. BroWn-of Mr.. Bula's friends came
up here, the inference being on passes.
Do you know of any of them coming in
that way?
The chairman = Do you know of any
passes having been issued to any of the
friends of Ulysses S. Grant to enable them
to travel in promoting his campaign?
A. | do not.
Q. General Barnes or George A. knight?
A. | don't recall any case of that kind.
Q. Any case of that kind for any candi-
date?
A. No. I have given General Barnes
clerk transportation two or three times to
go to see the general on business. / do
not know whether he was helping him in
his campaign or not. give you that for
what it is worth. | think it was simply to
attend to the generals legal business, aud
| say business that he was doing for our
company.
@. The general was doing some business
for your company, was he?
A. Yes; he is one of our attorneys
Q. Well, was that pass in the nature of
pass to an employe?
A. Yes, it was in that line. He told me
that he had to see the general upon liti
cation that was pending that the company
was interested in, and, of course, | gave
it to him as an employe.
Mr.. Mellick-IS James Copeland an at
torney of the Southern Pacific Company?
A He is not.
Mr. Burnett-Mr. Herrin do you know
that the Southern Pacific promised to
didate for the Legislature?
A. / know they did not.
Mr.. Lardner-That any reports In ref
erence to that are false?
A. l can say with respect to that, that
early in the campaign, | think before
these candidates for the Senate werenom-
mated / understood from New York that
it was the wish of the management of the
company that the company should not
take part in the Senatorial fight. 1
suppose that came about from applica-
tions to General Hubbard, perhaps, or
Mr. Huntington, on the part of candidates
to interest them. Being acquainted with
that wish or desire on the part of these
gentlemen / avoided taking any part in
doing anything concerning legislative
candidates
O. You received that communication
from General Hubbard. did you?
A. Yes.