The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1899-08-02
THE TAMMANY ARCHITECTS.
MR. MORGAN WANTS 1T UNDERSTOOD
THAT HE'S NO MOUND BUILDER,

with More Pull Thnn CaIculuS-knows
Johnny Cnrroll-Thc Firm up to Its
Seek in city Business, from Building
Dumping scows to Mural Decoration
Architects John r. Thomas and Withors
4 Dickson Tell the Mazet Committee
How the Tnmmany Pair Censored Them.
HorRan & Slattery. the Tnmmany architects.
occupied the attention OF the Ma2et commits
tee Yesterday. Mr.. Horgan announced that
he considered himself the peer Of any archi-
tect In the United States. Mr.. Slattrry xpaned
that he was the outside man" OF the firm
and the friend OF Mr.. Cookers lieutenant John
I. Carroll. For points on architecture he re-
ferred the committee to his partner II ap-
pcarcd that the firm Ia up to it's eyes in ci:y
business. from scow building TO mural deco-
ration.
The committee will sit four DAYS a week
Tuesdays. Wednesdays Thursdays and
Fridays-for two weeks. and perhaps three.
and then adjourn to about the middle OF sep
TENDER Mr.. Croker will not be n witness until
September All the committee were present
yesterday except Mr.. McEwan OF Albany.
snEEIFF STIRRED UP ABOUT rooLRooMs.
Under Sheriff Mulvnney was called. sheriff
Dunn being out OF town. and was then asked
IL the sheriff had taken any steps to stop gam
bling or poolSeIling in New York. The Under
Sheriff replied that the stopping OF such law
breaking was In the hands OF tn" police. and
that the Sheriff hal not seen N to interfere
with the particular business Of the Police Do
nartment. When asked to tell any special pros
vision Of the law which divests the Sheriff
OF the power and duty to stop gam
bling. Mr.. Mulvaney said the creation Of
the Police Board took all such matters
out Of tho Sherif's hand. Mr.. Moss asked
some questions about how much time each
day Sheriff Dunn spent at his office. and he
also tried to find out II the Sherifrs private
business as a contractor did not interfere with
his official duties The Under Sheriff said that
Sheriff Dunn In at his Office every day except
Sunday when he is in town. that he is in town
most OF the time. and that he remains in the
Office nearly all day.
Before excusing the Under Sheriff. Mr.. Moss
told him that tho enforcement OF tho law
against gambling was quite as much the duty
OF the Sheriff rs of the Chief OF Police.
THE PULL OF HoRGAN L s1ArTERy.
Col. Michael C. Murphy President of the
Board OF Health. testified that since Dccem-
Der. Is ~. Horgan & Slattery had got five con-
tracts from the board without competition.
Col. Murphy didn't know why the board gave
all the work to this particular firm. They had
been employed by the department before he
became the head of It, and he had been told
that some resolution was passed in the board
before he became member which virtually
made this firm the official architects OF the
| department.
| Dock Commissioner Murphy testified that
| Horgan 4 S!a,tery had got the contract for
| building the recreation pier at South Second
street. Brooklyn. and that other work had been
| given to them. The department had staff OF
snlarIcd engineers. but it didn't strike Mr..
| Murphy as peculiar that it should be neccs-
! sarv to employ an architect to build a recrea-
| ton pier All the recreation picrs were built
| by architects specially employed by tho old
Dock Board.
| BY Mr.. Moisture about that? Al am
positive.
Q-You are the leader OF your district. are
| you not? Al am
Q-Then you probably know the district
very well -? Al know it pretty we'll.
Dwell. then. tell me who runs the pool
room near the corner OF Twcnty-third strest
and Third avenue? Al didn't know there
was poolroom there.
=. - What Is your private busness2
IauGhterl Al decline to answer Ira
| newed laughter
O.-Aren't you in the saloon busness2 A
| | decline to answer.
Q.-Are you ashamed to answer? A-No.
am not.
George W. Birdsall. chef engineer OF the De-
partment Of Public Works had been requested
to produce papers giving the location and
| number OF the water gates in this city. Ho
testified that there were between 5000 and
| 5000 gates and that 1t would take n year and
| an appropriation to prepare the information
Two or three Witnesses testified be fore tho
| committee at its last session that there are no
maps giving the exact location OF water gntos
aud that because Of that fact the city runs a
great danger from destruction OF property by
HoRGAS QUESTIONED LITTLE.
Arthur !, HorRap was the next witness. He
| firm OF municipal architects. He looks 81 or
Q.-What large buildings have you ever cons
| structed or made plans FOR in the city; A.
Residences in Madison avenue and large ware
'Q.-How old are you? Automatically
,Q.-With whom did you study archtecturep
very best architccts this city ever knew.
Q,-Co Cook had the contract to design ting
i %H IL a thG now 1om0' building did he n0''
3-%hy ala he give , IT, Al, AL don't know.
ally made by yourself were they not' A
Q"EWNhat we're they to cost? A.-$3lO,OOO.
Q.n1,,And your percentage on that was whatr
A7Fiys per cent \, ao,o,,o, ar,u,,o,
made most OF them. and those that did not
make were made by our head draughtsman.
sLArTERY is JOHNNY CARRoLL's FRIEND.
Vincent j. SIattory. Mr.. Horgan's partner.
Q.-Have you talked with John F. Carol.
| about the contract for the new rombS? A.
Since the work was begun not before.
! Odd you ever pay Carroll any money
| Al never did.
! A.-Not to my knowledge.
/ Q.-You found out certain defects in ths
plans Of the original architects Withars g.
dickson. for the Tombs did you not? A.-Tha
Building Department first found out about
| those dsfects and consulted us about them.
We found that there were defects in the plans.
Odd you have ANYTHING to do with ths
work on the TombS at that time? Ave had
; charge OF the inside work.
,&ym1.WeIl, what we're the defects in the Plans
out by mo. Mr. Morgan is here. He can tell
YOU Il your honest, YOU L raii MN. ,o,o,.
, or not.
The Witness-Oh.., / don't suppose you do
| mind n little thing like that.
Mr.. Mazct Mr.. Slattery, it will not be neces-
sary 10" YOU to make such comments. You are
here 10 answer questions. and you will attend
! strictly to the business which called you here.
7 The stenpgrnphCr VIII strike the witness 5 re-
/ marks from the record,