Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1899-02-23

Nf WINS statements, u was uEfred,
upon hir suggestion. that We should 90
and seek an Interview with President
Lorenzo SNOW ~ tho church Of Jesus
christ ~ f.attor-dny Saints and lay
this statement before him.
Dickson asked Evans " he thought
this evidence proper Evans knew
nothing about H. Stewart asked
an 10 ~ purpose. Mansfield objected To-
a. Van cntt asked jackson 60 proceed
suruuHon was wiiiinx iu hvi,, u. cuin-
mingH thought II u waste " tmo, u
was decided that the testimony be- XIV
eu hy question and answer.
10 you know anything further Str.
jackson. respecting the matter which
you have Ftnied7 Nothing. VII. IN relh-
lion To that tranaaction except what
have stated.
80 PROMISES MADE.
croas.cxamlncd by Mr. Thurman;
Mr. jackson. ava you at any time. In
your conversation with Mr. Chambers,
or Mr.. WINS. by anything YOU nald 70
them. lead either ~ them 10 believe
that you might vote Tor Mr.. Mccunef
Did YOU lead Mr. Chambers 10 believe
by anything you said ~ him that when
ever your vote was necessary for Mr
McCunc he could gct ~ did not. no.
Did you ray anything u that Kind to
Didn't you say 10 Mr.. Chambers that
! whenever you could DO Mt Mc'une
any good by coming, you would come
/ to him. but you would cufne 10 stay
you didn't like 10 BE- shifting about
from one man 10 another No. ! dld
not.
Anything In substance like thaif No.
cir. I did not.
xvItAT IvINg tfNDrugTOoD.
You Understood Nir. WINS 10 say that
M 10 the time he suggested u h. ha 'di
not thought " meant bribery. dlln
your why, no; didn't know what MI,
ivlns's thoughts were.
Didn't he say? I offered the HugEea %
Didn't he say TO you that he had not
thought Il meant bribery Yes, he said
No..
lip to that ,lmcG Yes. or practically
And then he there stated 60 you. In
effect. that he had seen no bribery IN ~
until YOU made the suggestion that "
might mean that. isn't that truef lf
you wish TO place that construction on
| IL.
Isn't that the only construction that
YOU could draw that he hnd never
| thought Va until you said what you had
nnidF I might draw my own conHtruc-
tionH. I am here 10 state facts.
Did you draw that construction
Fmhkiy, I ala.
From him. Yes. Hir.
That he. from anything he had had
/ to say to Fisher Harris, or Fisher linr-
| TiH 10 him, there WIS no thought or con-
ccption % bribery In u 10 his mind I'M
/ ~ after you had made your statement
| That " my Judgment whatever he
may have 10 say VIII b. hts Judgment
/ NH..N 81 Aas aaNIH NNFuE.
That he hadn't thought 10 up 20 that
| timee Practically. YES, sir; have an
nwered that question.
You understood that WIS the frame
~ mind he was In, that he hadn
looked upon u az bribery up 70 ihnl
times I don't understand quite, JUS,
his frame NJ mind
can't you sometimes determine the
frame Of mind by what a man raynl
| oh. yes.
Didn't you determine the frame Of his
mind by what he HaidG ON that occa-
| sion I did
Now. then. the frame NJ mind. NJ you
determined II. M tn that time, from
what he said, was that he hnd seen no
| bribery In n until ynu suggested that
! u might mean bribery have nn'
HN"rcd your question.
Well. IN thai trucY Yes, TO the best
~ my knowledge. u you wish me TO re-
Did YOU think he would bring you a
! mrsanre which meant 10 bride you of
| meant hrlhnry9 That question. Mr.,
Thurman now, IN very adrolt. N the
gentlemen " the committee viii per-
NIT me tn explain. ana I don't propose
| fnf "a Nero shade ~ LEGAL technically
| 10 be- led into saying anything about q
friend ~ mine that I might regret nf-
forwards, I decline 60 answer the qucs-
/ tion.
Wen. what Is your hes, Judgment
from what you know NJ tho man, your
relations with hlmf My best Judgment
would be- that he would not
JAcKsoN's INTERPRETATIONS.
Cross-cNamlned by Mr.. Dickson.
| The bare language WAS uH you under
stood A. De- told him 10 come and 500
| you and got your vote. un matter what
the eNpcnsef That ~ substantially the
] words, yes,
And nom that you drew the oonolu-
sion there was bribery uuggrstrd' Yes,
! Hir.
nld Il occur 60 you that II they want.
! "a to hrihc you there would hH some
talk about the amuuntf No. tho word
| ,NuonHu= could give any amount
| pd you think he had carte blanche
to Elyr you half a million or anything
! clseg ! didn't say Ho,
lint thorc was no limit whatever put
| upon what ne might give you mo- mat
/ COR what the cNpenHe-it MnH left 60
! NJ. WINS that IL the way you under.
! stood H.. understanding " 10 mean hfi.
| berry or suggestion ~ bribery you
must have understood, did you not II
| was lll lpft To Mr. WINS entirely 90 say
| how much you would have Tor your
vote Yes that would be- my couclu-
/ sion I think
Was that your concluaion9 I think
/ Il was
That whltevrr you chose 10 ask Wins
/ 40 that tImr FOR your vote n you We're
l willing 90 make q suggestion % that
| kind be- WIS at liberty 20 give you
| any amount The language used was
! Ia secure the Jackson vote, no matter
! what tho expense.
Did you understand that Mr., WINS
was empowered by Mr., Harris 90 give
/ you any amount whatever that YOU
might ask Tor your vntof Well nos
because Mr. WINS could not have been
empowered 10 pay me a million dollars
or two million,
pld yuu think he was empowered to
pay you anything? l thought so, yes
slr.
Did you ask hlmf did not.
II you thought that he was empower
ed TO pay you anything whatever, why