Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1899-10-20

ALL THE BLAME Is ON B0EBS
Hut Sir Edward CLARKE, Conservative,
Insists that War IL Unnecessary,
aud u rtrcaoh Of National Faith.

London, Oct. 20.-1n concluding HE
speech Ia parliament yesterday after
noon. from the point where he eharae-
tcrlzed Sir John stanhope's orlticiam os
neither honorable nor honest. and was
called to order BY tho speaker. Mr
Chamberlain rctofted that Il was I'M
possible adequately 20 describe Mr..
stanhopCs accusation that hc tMr.
Chamberlain ana Sir Alfred Miner
had fomcnted war. 'rho government
welcomed All honest ana honorable crit
lcism Of their policy" said Air. cham
bcrlaln. "ond I wish could apply these
cpithcts 10 the speech OF the member
for Burnley"
Nir stanhonc. lcaplng TO his feet,
cried: u rlao TO order. / thought nc
yesterday 10 urralgn the conduct OF the
secretary Of state Tor the colonies, He
speaks ~ my criticism aa dishonor1bir
and dishonest. Can such terma be APP
piled to members Of his houso2" tOp-
position choorsl
The Speaker. u think the language
Of the secretary OF state FOR the col
onies IL going somewhat beyond"
Crhc rest Of HE words being drowned
In wild Irish cheers and shouts Of
withdraw.
tll the uproar had subsidized. ana said;
u bow with all respect. Mr Speaker.
60 your decision. I withdraw every
thing I have vald."
Dealing with the criticisms made up
on the South African league. he said he
could not claim acquaintance with "a
single member of a. The league waa
one OF the poorest pccuniary. but at
the came time most representative pO-
llticut organizations ever established.
with regard 90 the accusations re-
gurdlng hls associations with Cecil
Rhodes. he said that az the time Of
the Jamoson rnid he had no communl-
cation either direct or Indirect with
Mr.. Rhodes ON any subject connected
with the South African policy. lie had
seen that gentleman with reference to
the Cape ana Cairo railroad project
and Rhodrsin. hut the conversations
had never touched upon the subjects
now under discussion. and he would re-
mind the house that Mr.. Rhodes al
though a millionaire. had gone TO face
danger at Kimberley tCheers1
Passing to the general question Of the
governments South African policy.
SIR. Chamberlain said that In the light
" recent events and OF the uttcranccs
uf President Kruger. he had come 10
the conclusion that war had always
| been Inevitable. although Il was only
/ Of late that he had himself reached
/ this view. lie had hoped for peace aud
| stfivcu TO maintain IL. aud up to re-
cent date he had believed peace wac
possible.
Turning to the principles Involved In
the war the colonial secretary went
a NHIN HHN o. .aHNHH 4
/ iHtence aa great power In South Ar
| RIGA we are bound 90 show that We are
willing and able TO protect British sub
/ iocts wherever they have suffered In
/ Justice and oppression. Great Britain
must remain In paramount power In
/ South Africa. ! do not mean paramount
| Ia tho German and Portuguese pos.
/ sessions. but In the two republics and
| the British colonies. Every one on both
/ sides OF the house ~ determined To
maintain these great principles, The
peace OF South Africa depends upon
| Great Britain accepting responsibility
/ In the Tranevaal.
"Thc Boer olignrohy has placed Brit
/ iah subjects In a position OF infcrlofiN,
| aud what would have been tho British
| position II they had submitted 10 that
! inferiorltyf'
referring TO the relations OF the
/ Beers with the natives, Mr., Chamber
I IAN NNlua ANtff ~ one NNhlNNA NNA
/ dealt with In the blue books. | mean
| the disgracefu Bocr treatment ot the
natives, unworthy OF a civilized power.
| In 1896 I actually sent message 90
/ Sir Hercules Robinson, for the Trans
vaal. respecting the treatment OF the
natives. Then came the Jameson raid
| and our South African officials decided
they could not with propriety present
the message. The Beers In their own
| words objected because they wanted "a
'wallop the niggcra.'
| Proceeding TO discuss the question Of
supremacy. MIR. Chamberlain said
'sThe whole object OF the Beers has
| Hltion as suzerain, Now they have
thrown on the mask and declare them
selves sovereign, independent state
Her maiostys government has had a
suspicion amounting 10 the knowledHt
that the mission OF DIT. Leyda has been
one continual series OF negotiations
with foreign powers against the Brit
ish cloud chcers)
'"rhe Trnnsvnnl and the Free Stat,
| have an ideal which h dangerous "a
Great Britain, and by the oontinuou,
accretionH OF arms the Tranavaal had
become by far the most powerful milf
tary state In Africa. That was u dan
ger and we have escaped one OF m,
greatest dangers We We're ever sub
iected to In Africa. The whole point o
| difference between the opposition nnt
the government il ns to the details o
the negotiations
Mr. Chamberlain added; ~ am muol
more afraid Of being too moderate thar
nf oeing too indeciHive, The govern
ment's reply 10 the Trunavaal arcsptes
the uvo years franchise proposal cx
copt IN respect OF the pledge that Grea
Britain would not rclnterfere In tn
Transvaal's internal affairs, but the
hoped that II the nVe-year franchls
measure were carried into effect Their
would be no occasion for Interference,
believe that Influential adviaerTs-l d.
not mean foreign poNers-Inust hay
interviewed and Induced the Transvaa
government to withdraw their offer,
AS for the last proposals formulate
by the British government, ] may "a,
the desire Of Sir william Vernon Har
court that they he published VIM neve
be gratlned. That ultimatum II burie
and is not likely to be rehurreoted
G.aughtcr1
I'm their ondeavor 20 maintain peac
the government have shown endles
patience. 1t was President Kruger VIII
settled the issue. lie appealed to III
god OF battles. II l may do 30 wit
reverence. say we accept that ap
peal, believing our quarrel Just"
MIR Chamberlain, who had spoke
two hours and three-uunrters, resume
his seat amid loud and prolonge
cheers
slr Edward Clarke. conservativ
member for Plymouth said the more n