New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1899-05-20
OBERKIRCH MORE FORTUNATE.
Mr.. MCANN INTRODUCED HIM TO BOSS
cROKER's son FRANK.

MR. MCANN INTRODUCED HIM Io boSS
CROKER's SON FRANK.
Frank Oberkirca Is sworn
Mr. Clarke-What IL your business? Al am
the Eastern sales agent for the Pittsburg Clay
Manufacturing Company
Q-How long have you been connected with that
concern? ABOUT four years and some months:
.Q.v,And your ONCE il in the St. Paul Buildinsf
DSs ., wh ss sTG make sbs
not only that we MAKE other articles e wen.
Q:-That IL one OF Its products? A.-That is one
ob S,o YOU know ss NJ Frank Croker Ayes
Q-How long have you known him. A.-Prob-
would take back to PsGemSsT, A.
Q.-Who introduced you to him? Al met hin
in The s. Saass q s., M; Grady
DID Mr.. Mcc ann Introduce you to him thersf
s.k Mr. ws Me Mr RSsss %
member that ! don't think thai; . and vo,r-
M I Mr. in "a.
Mr.. Rogge introduced me -. 80, vo,r..,,
.Q...And Mr.. Mccain was not there at that timer
o..You were in Mr.. Grady's office in Decerhbsrs
A3PeIms me to CORE, mys w uccanr tina, IN.
troduced me TO Frank Croker in Mr.. Grady's once.
9AASnd, was Mr. RCsge there A INK s X. lat,
Q-was that before after you printed thas
o-Wss the Contrssto rs. suppl, Company sub
agency yoa ar ena' ANo e' SIR '"s - N'
HOW HE CAME TO PRINT THE CARD.
Q--How did you come to print the card? A.
That was away back in September or August that
the card was printed.
o. thought you were introduced TO Mr.. Croker
in December? Al never knew Frank Croker
MIL tir hut I knou
.Q.-You published the card before you met Mr.
Fsnt S.0 sI yo A cdns to do ha Al intended
at one time to 60 into business with Nj R snaa
Croker. and Mr. Croker would not permit his son
10 go into the business; he did not want him 70 80
into business that was going to supply material
o~when was that? A.-This was last August.
Frank Croker until December? Al am talking
about Mr. Mr. richard en- a STo k -o,er, v
caro-, WIFI q the yo1"s Mr. crokers is on the
o.-Yet. you printed the card months before you
met him? Alt was afterward changed to Frank
Q~would you mind stating what thai, contem:
and and so forth; ali conirsctors supplies
S1Rf eT HI pe pc II was
Q.-Of course not; but us matter Of fact. that
Q.-you did? A.-Thst was not included in any
Q.-That fell through because Mr.. Croker did not
want his s son connected with an enterprise which
Q.-And subsequently TO that. this Contractors
Cam Cam was! x"Mr Mccann did nc; form il. and
had nothing ing ito 10 90 WIN xept he drew up
Q.-Mr Mccain drew up the contract and be;
came stockholder owning two shares Al
don't know anything about that.
COUNTED HIS CHICKENS TOO FAST.
Mr. Fellowship Clarke you might bring 4, out
| - A..sl.
card before that.
The Witness-It case Of counting your
chickens before they were Matched. had two
hundred cards printed before that that were never
used. thought that Mr. Croker would go into
Mr. FalIows-What made you think so? A-The
general conditions at the time.
Q-What the general conditions that made
you think so? Aust booked like II, II you
came TO me and asked me
Q.-Who to you? Al went TO them.
Q.-Who did you go to? A.-Rchard Croker. Or.
Mr.. Clarke-Now. you have been very frank and
straight forward about II? A.-As frank pos
sibe.
Q-You have been very frank. and you have been
frank as possible? Ayes
Q-Now. will YOU tell US how you three gentle:
Was n bsines SO e ss s The firs
that they contemplated forming this new company.
and they wanted TO me about sewer pipes. see
Mr. McCann In regard to the contract, that Is all.
that they made with me;
Q-And what was Mr. Frank Croker doing there,
II he wasn't Interested in it? Al don't know. sir.
life '''e
Q.-And II you were there this contract. in q
connection from which he had Withdrawn. on his
fathers orders. how was II he was there In fixing
up the matter? Al don, kn9w His name me-. was
me about the completion Of the contract. that
is all.
WITNESS LITTLE MIXED.
Q.-Is II not fact. Mr. Oberkirch. IN the same
frank. straightforward way that you have answered
hat -, toAt hta
card and II got out put end 10 your relations
with the younger Mr.. Croker? A.-No, sir. Mr..
Croker to-day doesn't know Of that card. that T.
have read /, in the newspapers. No man but one
Q-Ddn't you say a few minutes ago that Mr.:
Croker objected TO having his son In that businessI
card was printed months after. Mr.. Croker didn't
know we were TO deal with contractors that were
know that at the time at all. and as soon as he
ascertaned that he wouldn't go into the deal ~.
(Which Mr. Croker wouldn't 90 into II? Ale
wouldn't permit his son TO go into II. . -
1-That is Mr. Richard Croker? AIR Rich
Odd you see Mr. Richard Croker. senior in re-.
gard to this matter? Al did .,.,,o c,r,,
QNThis was entirely a business transactiOn' A
Yes SIR and straightforward
Q-StraIghtforward? That Is all
Mr. carseceriaiSly; ana as is 50 n.a. the
hour OF adOurnment after you, finish var think We
"K he chS1manDi id YOU ever manufastars
proof,ngY Ave used to. but don't now at all
We used TO make II.
and a half ago. 49,.
Q-You made terra Gotta for fues, didn't you
fues for ventilating purposes? A.-Flue Innings.
Q-At the time OF THIS interview in MT Grsdys
office was there any discussion OF hre-proonn8r
A-No sir nothing OF the kind.
Q-Nothing OF the kind In relation to this con-
Odd Mr. Mccain and you have any dscue'
sion about contract work. for doing any nre'
prooing work IN buildings7 A-Not In the sisne-
est degree. 49,, - ,,n.,
Entirely.
SOME ONE MADE AN ENGAGEMENT
O-How did you come 10 90 10 Senator Gradys
once, A-That | can't recollect. There was some
engagement made. | suppose before
~ WIZ ,rada The ensagement? AIR. Rogge.