The Jersey City news. (Jersey City [N.J.]) 1889-1906, 1898-03-05

pSSduse was liol lHSlue. linen one Vi
i the Jurors wished me to state that
didn't know anything about it. Their
line of policy was to make me say that
| ! knew nothing about it. That was their
| line, but could not say that because l
| knew, and they knew that knew, some
| thing about it,"
Were these two men held by Judge
| Hudspeth indicted?" asked counsel.
4 NO
Chairman Gledhill at this point asked
/ the witness if he, of his own knowledge,
was aware what was going on inside Of
| the room. Had he any positive evidence?
4 Mr. Gowan replied that all that he knew
/ was that he could see men coming out
| and putting money in their pockets, and
| he looked through a back window and
4 saw man putting money into a drawer.
| do you know Maurice J. Stack?" ask
| ed Mr.. MeCarter.
| Yes
"Just tell the committee how he came
to lose his way to the place. said Mr..
McCarter, leaning back in his chair and
laughing quietly.
when we went to see Mr.. Winfield, to
| inform him that the place was open, he
| told US that he would send Stack to
| pick up the men. We went away quite
sure that now, at last, the place would
close; but when Mr.. Ackert and 1 got
| there, there was no Stack. We saw men
| there; but no one to pick them up. We
| went back to the Prosecutors office and
| told Mr. Winfield. He called in Stack
| and asked him if he was there, and
| Stack said:- mo, didn't get up How
| was that?' Mr.. Winfield asked him, and
! Stack stammered out something about
| going over to New York and missing the
ferry. He said that he. took the Erie
| ferry by mistake for the Weehawken,
and, on finding out his mistake, thought
| it was no use going there; it was 50
late
what did Mr.. Winfield say?" asked
| the counsel.
Il won't say replied Mr.. Gowan, trag-
| ically, that he swore, mark youl I
| don't say that he swore, but he called
| Stack down very hard and told him to
| go the next day. Well, the next day we
| went there and we met Stack, who said
| to me:-'Well, Doctor, they've left for
good; we've driven them Off Away
| down at the ferry was a crowd of men,
| waiting until our backs were turned to
| begin again. Gaughter.) "You know
| the place is admirably adapted for gam
| bling. If ever you, sir, have visited the
| place
| "Oh, dear! no, my dear sir, I don't go
| to such Places quickly replied Mr.. Nc
| Carter, and there was burst of laugh
| ter. Mr.. Gowan looked solemn, and then
when everybody was through, he saw the
| joke, and a ghost of a smile fitted across
| his face.
The witness then described the loca-
| tion Of Little Monte Carlo. He said that
| if a, posse started out from the Court
| House, the news was heralded to Monte
| Carlo He said the news was flashed
from the Town Hall of West New York,
| and there was a line of pickets who gave
the alarm when any raid was about to
| take place. Coming to the visit of the
yesterdays News, the witness said
| that they acted as if they did not know
the way.
do l understand you to say asked
Mr.. McCarter, laying stress on the fol-
lowing words, that Mr. Joseph Guisto,
of Hoboken did not know the way?'
''He acted as if he did not. They asked
me if 1 knew where it was, and 1 said
that / was not precisely acquainted with
it. Their driver, l found, knew where it
was
"Now, do I understand you to say that
every time a raid was made from the
Court House there was nothing doing at
| the place-the news had gotten out?"
asked Mr. McCarter.
"They knew it at Monte Carlo before
the officials got there. I have the as
| surance from one, on the outside, that /
couldn't take a step from my house or
use a Field glass without it being known
at Monte Carlo.
"Did you use a glass?"
'tYes; I stood ON a hill, mile away,
and looked through a glass at the men
going there. They knew it,
s.Who told you that they knew?"
..T'hree men on the inside"
ssNow, Mr. Gowan did you ever have
any conversation with a person in au-
thority at Monte Carlo, and what did he
say?''
"Yes, had" replied the minister,
turning towards the committee and
coughing to attract their attention. "He
told me they had things SO fixed that
every attempt to make raid was known
before the officers of the law or guard
ians of the peace, mark you! could close
them up That was told to me in con-
.fdence and I would not like to know the
name of the man who told it to me fhe
mans name was said to be John Leon
ard)."
"You were there, Mr.. Gowan, when
Sheriff Heller made his raid and two
men were arrested. Was it the theory
that the prisoners were 'strangers?''
Yes"
Are you sure they were not?''
ssWell, they never give our men a
chance to identify them. Hennessey, our
man, said he was sure that he knew
them.,'
"Where was the rest of the crowd?"
SAT the ferry, waiting to see the Sher-
iff and his men CO.
Assemblyman Bradley asked the minis
ter if he had ever made an appointment
with the Sheriff and Mr.. Gowan said no.
The only time, he continued, he had in
terviewed the Sheriff was about the rou-
lette and faro going on in room No. 2.
what was the attitude of the Prose-
cutor's office towards you in so far as
closing up the place went?' asked Mr..
McCarter
Apparently, at the beginning. in earn
est The Prosecutor said he would do
everything we wished and aid us in every
direction, but when it came to getting
men there when we wanted them they