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The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1898-10-09
LATEST FROM BACON.
me Generals Second Report of the
Fighting at Leach Iox~o

WASHINGTON, Oct. S.-The interior n
partment authorities took an ontin,is.,o
view of the Indian situation in Minnosota
to-oay' and Secretary Bliss ard others as
serted their confidence that the uprising is
practically over. No dispatches bava
reached the department since last evep;ne,
cut the feeling Of assurance is based on +ba
developments as reported in the publisbed
ohclal dispatches to the War Department
and the dispatches from the scene of tbe
trouble. The private dispatch that reached
commissioner Of Indian Affairs Jones l.s+
night indicating that the Indians. on tba
war path numbered hardly more than twen-
ty-1ve or thirty, is considered authentic.
General Bacon, in reply to requests for
details Of the recent fighting, sent the fol-
lowing dispatch from Walker, Mimi. to the
War Department to-day:
Replying to yours Of this date. renort
that l telegraphed you on the 9Th, 9th and
to-day forwarding details I now report
that. accompanied by eighty men of the
Third Infantry. the United States marshal
and deputies and an Indian agent and IN
dian police, / went on the 5th to the main
land north Of Bear island, Leach lake. After
arresting leading Indians, my command was
attacked by a force of Bear island Indians.
The lighting lasted from noon to dark the
Indians being beaten back and presume bly,
left the main land during the night of the
9TH. Yesterday few stray shots were fired
into the camp from the surrounding UNDER
brush The marshal, Indian agent and most
CT the civilians left by steamboat at the
beginning of the fight My casualties were:
Captain Wilkinson, Sergeant Butler Pri-
Yates Zeibel, Olmstead, Lowe, SchwalIen-
stocker and one Indian policeman killed.
and Sergeant Ayers, Privates Turner. Daily.
Wicker, Brown, Bushay, Jenson, Ziegler.
F'rancom and Deputy Marshal Sheehan and
one Indian policeman wounded. Total
killed, Z; wounded, IL. The Indian policemen
concealed themselves at the opening of the
fight and were shot by mistake by my pick
cts in the night while trying to escape in a
canoe'
Commissioner of Indian Affairs William
A. Jones left to-day for the scene of the
Indian trouble IN Minnesota. He will have
a personal talk with the disaffected men
and endeavor to induce them to disperse
quietly and submit to the regular process Of
the law. Commissioner Jones is convinced
that talk with the leaders and an assur-
ance given that they would be protected
and rightly treated would bring about a
cessation of hostilitieS
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AN ALLEGED POISONER.
Wealthy Kansas Merchant Charged
with Numbering His Wife.

LAWRENCE. Kan, Oct. s.--J. J. Kunkle,
a wealthy merchant, has been arrested,
charged with having murdered his wife by
poisoning. Mrs. Kunkle died ten days ago.
About four weeks previous to the woman S
death. Birdie Cominyore. her fourteen-year-
old daughter by her former husband, died
after a lingering Illness which baffied the
skill of the family physician. A few DAYS
before the death of Mrs. Kunkie she told
her neighbors that she was being slowly
poisoned and also that her daughter had
been poisoned. An analysis of the woman's s
stomach showed strong signs of arsenic,
and upon this showing and upon the testi-
mony Of neighbors of the Kunkles, the jury
returned a verdict that Mrs. Kunkle came
to her death by poison administered at the
hands Of her husband and .others to the
jury unknown A former wife OF Kunkle
is said to have died suddenly after her life
had been heavily insured
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THE PEACE COMMISSIONERS.
Americans Meet and Consider Span-
ish Counter Propositions.

PARIS, Oct. S-The United States neace
commissioners held two sessions TODAY
They are understood to have taken into
consideration direct suggestions and
counter propositions from the Standards
of which the Americans now have enoueh
to engage their attention at the dailv ses-
sion. 1t may be regarded as quite likely
that the Spaniards have already outlined
their apparent expectations and that thew
are beyond the line of possible acouiescence
by the Americans. The latter are now sct-
ing along well-considered lines. consistently
and with a definite end in view. They have
to some degree disclosed American expecta
ton and determination. The Standards
however, seem unable and unwilling TO nm
derstand or believe the Americans NAV mr.
have at the outset set forth their reollire-
ments and that they are destined to remain
virtually unchanged by fnesse or counter
diplomacy. Therefore it is not unlikely that
the Americans, following the course Of fair
thorough consideration on all the original
counter propositions, will, to the limit of
fruitful possibility. accord patient consid
Grafton of anything projected by the Span
iards. Thus, 1t is fair to conclude that the
Americans daily sessions during the recess
intervals will be fully engrossed. While the
Philippines have not yet been reached in the
deliberations. this question is doubtless rel
atively not far distant and at that point is
likely to come the full stress of the diplo-
matte controversy.
Relating to the Philippine phase of the
question, the Gaulois says: THE question
was somewhat touched upon, but not dis
cussed yesterday. but there was enough to
indicate serious difficulties when it does
come up. The Americans have decided to
claim the whole Island OF Luzon and they
invoke the report of Admiral Dewey, who
has declared that the possession of Manila
without the rest Of Luzon would compel the
presence Of a strong squadron and army
President Faure, through the United
States ambassador, Gen. Horace Porter, to-
day. invited the American commissions to
visit the Longchamps race course on sun
day in order to witness the race for the
Prix municipal. The Americans, through
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And Is Fatally Injured in a Fight with
His Brother-in-Law.

TELLURIDE, COL, Oct. S.-Dr. o. F..
Mentzer shot and killed his wife without
provocation. He then pointed his revolver
at w. E. Monroe, of Cleveland. O., a brother
of Mrs. Msntzer, who was visiting here.
Monroe grapplei with the murderer and in
the fight that ensued the doctors skull was
fractured 1t is believed he will die of his
injuries. Monroe was not arrested. DIR. and
Mrs. Mentzer formerly lived in Denver. She
left him and obtained a divorce in Chicago.
They were remarked six months ago. Mrs.
Mentzer being assured the doctor had re-
formed. 1t is thought he was addicted TO
the use of opiates. and was not at all times
in his right mind.
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NEW YORK, Oct. s. - Felipe Agoncillo.
the representative OF Aguinaldo, the leader
Of the Filipinos. sailed to-day for Havre on
the French liner La Touraine. He is ac-
companied by his secretary, Sixto Lopez.
Agoncillo said that his visit to this coun-
try had been very pleasant and that he
had been kindly received by President Nc
Kinley. He expects to be allowed to pre-
sent the appeal Of the Filipinos to the
American peace commissioners. I'VE had
enough of Spanish rnisrule." said Agoncillo.
and If the United States will not grant US
independence. like the Cubans. then we will
have to be satisfied with annexation"
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FORT WORTH, Tex. Oct s.-Hard d.
Gunnels. until recently chief of police of
Fort Worth. has been placed under arrest.
charged with completely in the Santa Fe
hold-up near here July 9. H. w. Petty. one
of the men under arrest. who turned states
evidence. confided in Gunnels. and. it is
alleged. the two were to wait until the rob-
berry occurred. then make arrests and di-
vide the reward money. Gunnels has been
placed under $3.50 bonds 20 answer the
charge.
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INDIANS TO BE ARRESTED.
Troops VIII Assist the Marshal in Ap-
pretending the Redskins.

WALKER. Mimi, Oct. Sat the Indian
council held at the reservation a demand
was made by the government, through In
dian Agent Sutherland that the men con-
cerned in the killing Of the soldiers near
Bear island be given up to answer the
charge Of murder Marshal O'Connor and
200 troops, commanded by General Bacon.
moved 70 the agency on the reservation at
10 o'clock this morning. Boats have been
chartered and another effort VIII be made
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WASHINGTON, Oct. s.-Upon receipt of
Governor Cloughs message General Corbin
visited the White House and showed it to
the President. An order was sent to Gem
oral Bacon directing him to confer with
Governor Clough and to station troops
along the line of railroad in the vicinity of
the recent troubles in such number as will
prevent any danger to the people and to al
lay their alarm Following is the dispatch
to General Bacon, copy of which was also
sent to Governor Clough:
The secretary of war directs that YOU
confer with the Governor of Minnesota and
station troops at such points in the State as
will give protection and relieve the people
from further anxiety from attack by In
dians. If you have need of them you can
order the Minnesota Volunteers, now on
furlough in the State. You will explain the
situation to the Governor and report to him
the steps taken
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His Anger Aroused Because the Gov
ernment Refused to Give Him Con-
troll of United States Volunteers.
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CLOUCH WROTH
MINNEsoTA's GOVERNOR SAYS UNCLE
SAM CAN GO TO THE DEVIL.
He Is Not Pleased with the War De-
partment's Method of Protect
ing Settlers from Indians.
TOO MUCH RED TAPE, HE SAYS

AND HE WILL HEREAFTER DEFEND
HIS PEOPLE WITH STATE TROOPS.
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the ambassador. thanked the President,
but declined his invitation.
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the report. but some Of the Tammany braves
think that Mr.. Van Wyck will turn out 10 be an
other Grover Cleveland.
CONTEST IN ESSEX COUNTY.
CONGRESSMAN FOoTE SAID HE WAS CANDI-
DATE FOR CONTROLLER

Plattsburg. y. Y, Aug. "a sensation was
sprung In the Essex County Republican Convcn-
ton to-day In the announcement o. the candidacy
OF Congressman Wallace T. Foote, Of Fort Henry
for the nominat for State Controller. Mr.. Footc
asked the privilege Of naming the delegates from
this county TO tho State Convention. the wilmer
bees and their friends were willing to promise the
supper, Of the delegates to Mr.. Fooe. but desired
70 name them themselves. This did not SATISFY MI
Foote and n hot contest ensued.
In the course OF the discussion Mr.. Foote was
charged with making his candidacy ruse for
controlling the State delegation In his GENIAL OF
this charge Congressman Foote stated that ne
had only recently determined TO become candi-
date having been persuaded TO enter the lists by
Governor Black and by Congressman fooker
Ward and Southwck. who have been MS guests
the last week and who promised the support OF
the delegation from their respective districts Al
the coming State Convention 10 him. After some
what heated discussion, in which Congressman
Foote and W. G.. Witherbee took part. paHot
was taken on the two lists Of delegates o1ered III
nomination The result was defeat for the Fooie
delegates by vote Of 20 to q. Upon the an
nouncement Of the result Mr.. Witherbee onered
the support OF the delegation To Congressman
Foote but tho latter declined the offer
The interest Governor Black has taken In Essex
County politics has dspleased the Witherhee rae
ton here and I. IS doubtful II the delegates TO the
State Convention will be In favor OF Governor
Blacks denomination. although heretofore the Gov
ernor has been on the best Of terms with FRANK
s Witherbee who is member OF the ADVISORY
Board Of the State Committee.
The Congress Convention delegates were also
named by the withersbee faction. but were I'M
instructed. Orlando Beede, OF Keene. was NOM
nated FOR the Assembly. The convention fahed 10
pass any resolutions Endorsing the choice OF Warren
County for a Congress nomination or any reso-
luton lndorsng tho State or National adm'nistra-
tons .
venton VI {. Witherbee. J. Pierce b F.
PAYNE A s Prime. C. s Mclaughlin. A. H Ellis;
TO the Congress Convention, F. Hooper. r. l..
Jenkins, = !. Ware j r Matheri Senate Dele DELE
{. Wilson n. Morrill, and Judd Hikok.
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ELMIRA CANDIDATES DEFEATED.

CHARLES T. WILLIS. OF SCHUYLER COUNTY. NOM
MATED FOR SENATOR IN THE xLTH DISTRICT
Ithaca y. Y, Aug 81. Sloat Fassett and the
Chemung County delegation in the XLth District
Republican State Senate Convention met with sur
prise and defeat at the convention here to-day
Judson A. Gibson. OF Elmlra the Chemung candi-
date. was defeated by a combination OF delegates
from Tompkins and Schuyler. both on the informal
and the formal ballots.
Charles T. Willis. OF Tyrone Schuyler County
received ten votes against five for Gibson The
result was surprise for the Chemung delegates
who. under the leadership OF Mr.. Fassett expected
To gain the votes Of Schuyler for Gibson Ii had
however. been asserted in some quarters earlier In
the day that In case Stewart. OF Tompkins. could
see no way in which his nomination for a second
term could be secured he would give his votes TO
Willis OF Schuyler. rather than have the Schuyler
votes go for the Emira man.
MT Fassett and Mr.. Gibson endeavored TO get the
Schuyler votes, but the latter were under instruc-
tions for Willis, and helped support him on the
opening ballot Tompkins demanded Chemungs
support Tor Stewart on the first ballot The threat
was made that II Chemung should not support
Stewart the Stewart delegates would support VIII
lis; The Chemung delegation professed to thi .
this BLUM, but events showed that the Tompkins
men meant what they said
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SOCIAL AFFAIRS AT NEWPORT.

Newport. r. I. Aug. (SpeciaD.Mrs. F. o.
French gave the principal entertainment this even
ing IN the form OF dinner Harbour View. In
honor OF her daughter. Miss Elsie French. The
guests were Of the younger set and numbered six
teen William Stackpole ID led the cotillon. which
followed the dinner. dancing with Miss French.
The favors were floral pieces. some OF the figures
and the music being OF a patriotic character. Fo-
age plants and palms were used for decorating
the ballroom. and also for inclosing parts OF the
piazzas for the Of the musicians. Mrs. Victor
Sorchan introduced novelty late this afternoon
In the way OF what she calls a sailing tea. the
guests having sail on the bay in catboat
r bridge T. Gerry, Mrs. y. ID. Clapp. Mrs. Potter
Palmer. Mrs. w w. Sherman. Mrs. Harold Brown.
Mrs Arnold Hague and the Marquise de MELVILLE.
Mrs John L.. Cadwaader gave a luncheon.
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at 10 a. m. wednesday. 10th inst
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Notice OF funeral hereafter.
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gust H. at 80 p. m.
Ass% IN john T. Ss Su: ..s ASss:
Funeral services a, her LAKE resiaenc. THURSDAY. Az
York on the Delaware LAckawanna and Western Ran
Burial a, the convenience OF the family.
sPRAGuEIon SUNDAY august 1888 Susan Y. A.
Enoch Ketcham.
Wednesday August 10. at 1890 O. N.
Interment at Woodlawn at convenience OF family.
Kindly omit flowers
wHITE-On Monday August s. Clara z. White, daush-
.: the ss late Thomas ;b and Ann R1 p White
wYCKOFF-At Elizabeth n. J.. Angus, o. 1893. Peter Il.
Wyckor In the 65th year Of his age.
Funeral services his late residence No. 81 secoud-0t
Elizabeth. at 80 p and Greystone Presbyterian
Church at .. m, Friday. August r. 1895.
W00d1awn Cemetery.
once. No. 20 z. 2Sd-st.
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SILVER DEMOCRATIC DELEGATES MEET.
IzE TO OPPOSE GOLD MEN IN STATE


Rochester. Aug (spcclaD-Forty-two Silver
State had a secret love feast here his afternoon
Most Of them delegates to the State Convention
and those that are not proxies for deegates
The Chicago platform was unequivocally Endorsed.
and David Bennett Hill roasted up hill and
down Dick" Croker came in for share OF the
criticism and the praises Of E ID. Murphy were
loudly sung
No advance notices OF the secret conference were
yent out James NJ. Nolan. OF this city. quietly
got tho forty-two delegates together. and told
them what was wanted when they arrived. These
counties were represented Monroe. Niagara. Erie.
Ontario. Chemung. Yates Genesee. Chautauqua
steuben. Cayuga. Onondaga Seneca Oswego.
Wayne and Livingston.
Attorney Mackcy Of Buffalo was chairman. and
James NJ Nolan secretary. Judge Stearn. OF Bur
Salo proposed a resolution indorsing the Chicago
pla form and making support OF II imperative on
ali candidate This was carried unanimously. Mr
candidate OF whose party loyalty In 1886 there was
The slightest doubt. This was also carried.
a resolution declaring that every enort would
be made to defeat David B. HI who left tho
party when IT needed the assistance Of all its
ieaders-the party which made him leader. and
which honored him with the highest office In the
State" was adopted. Many speeches were made. al
anti-Hill The merton OF his name was roundy
Kissed. incidentally Judge Titus; Of Bu na
forth were mentioned No action was taken however.
II was decided TO hold another conference IN me
syracuse was bly, regarded by all the dele
gales John D. Lynn. the Rochester candidate fer
attorney General. was unanimously incorsed
AZ the close OF the conference. which was behind
closed doors many Of the delegates started for AL
bany II is the Intention TO organize a similar
movement in the eastern part OF the state.
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AN OPERATION on ADMIRAL KIRKLAND.
PERFORMED FOR INTESTINAL oBsrRUcrIoN-m
rs LIKELY TO RECOVER.


Is LIKELY TO RECOVER.
Vallejo Cal. Aug 9.-Rear-Admiral Kirkland b.
day underwent n severe operation. the outcome
OF which depends his chance for life. A few days
ago he was enjoying the best OF health. To-day he
has only ono chance 10 live. and that depends on
the success Of the operation performed this after
noon Drs Wagner and Hibbett Of the Navy. have
been attending him. and on Sunday Dr. Carpenter
was called In consultation The patient grew worse.
and this morning the tug Vigilant sent to San
Francisco under full speed 10 bring DR.. W. @. Tay-
Tor. formerly Of the Navy gallon Of blood was
drained from the patients stomach. This after
noon an incsion was made in his right side In the
hope Of locating the of the trouble. Dr. Hib-
bett said just after tho operation performed:
The operation was highly successful and most
satisfactory The Admiral placed under the
influence OF ether. and Dr. Taylor performed the
operation. which. through the rapid location OF the
scat Of trouble and the short time required con-
summate the work OF relief. gives the patient the
most favorable chance OF recovery The report that
a blood vessel In the stomach had burst was un-
true as intestinal obstruction was what allied him.
Had the surgical opera ton been postponed twenty.
four hours the illness would have proved fatal or
at least been so intensified that II would have been
almost hopeless.
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SENATOR PLATT AND MR.. ODELL CONSULT

Senator Platt came to the city yesterday from
xyikesbarre Penn. and had a consultation with
y b. OdeIl. jr. chairman Of the Republican State
committee at the headquarters. In the Fifth
Avenue Hotel Later II was said at the headquar-
tors that Mr. Odell would Issue call for the state
comrnittee 10 meet at the hotel on August n. and
maj the committee probably would call the Repuo-
ucan State Convention 10 meet at Saratoga on
UUnn,arher q Senator Plat and Mr.. Odell would
Soi iaik about possible candidates 10 be nominated
n, the convention.
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THE WEATHER REPORT.

YESTERDAYS RECORD AND To-DAYs FORECAST
Washington. Aug e-Thunderstorms and rain have
CURED generally the Mississippi River Atlantic
Coast, except the lake regions and Southern Florida
A storm appears 10 be developing in Western Pennsyi
yania The temperature has fallen Atlantic
States and and the Northern slope risen
In the Missouri Valley. md has remained nearly
stationary elsewhere Cool weather thundsr~torm.
will prevail the Atlantic States. Clearing weather
indicated for the Ohio and Lower Mississippi valleys and
generally fair weather elsewhere.