The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1898-01-28

counted the lashes. Another boy received
sixty-four lashes. Two other boys. Car
ter and Joe Pride. were also whipped.
Carter kept on getting reports, and was
whipped whenever he received them.
Il tried 10 do what I was told, and
behaved myself. l worked In the tailor
shop. The food was as good as that in
jail. was convicted OF stealing by
breaking into the Virginia Boat Club. I
don't think boy should receive so
many lashes. I don't know whether l
have improved since then, but ! would
not want to so back there
A NEGRO AS A GUARD.
Mr.. Samuel Ford was the next witness
"I live at Laurel station, close to the
reformatory. and am a farmer. ] have
not visited the institution much lately
l know some Of the guards. ! am well
acquainted with Mr.. Jefries and Mr..
Gibson. ] know a colored man by the
name of Thomas Hill, who was night
watohman. Mr. Gilman is the regular
night guard. | knew mas by the name
of Kinney, who was q baker. | never
saw any OF the boys whipped with lasn.
on one occasion | saw Mr.. Jeffries slap
a hoy pretty roughly. The boy was about
seventeen years old. | don't know what
offence he had committed. This was the
only evidence / observed OF cruel treat
ment
During the first or second year OF MI
SIMPSONS administration the latter ask
ed me 10 Kill his hogs. The next DAY
told Mr.. Jcffries | would like to have heip'
and he gave me from four TO SIX ooys
A colored man was with tnem' "no
told them TO Jump over the fence and
,te. H.. ard | wondered
over the manner I'm which this man
smoke 10 the boys, and he seemed to have
charge Of them as guard. His name
was Gray. Right after that there was d
good deal of excitement In the nelgh-
borhood as to the treatment of the boys
Mr. Jefrries sent the colored man win
the boys TO me. I passed by the nstitu,
ton the day when one or the boys klileu
n guard: 1 came there soon after II nap
pened | am on good terms WIN we p''-
pie al the institution
sHACKLED WHILE SICK IN BED.
Mr. w. y. Daniel. OF No. south First
street was the next witness; II was at
the Reforma atOry once he said, IL was III
October. 1895. when | saw BOY III 'nS
hospital in bed. suffering from typnoiu
fever lie had shackles on MN; a suaIu
bv the name Of Thompson told me thaI
the boy had tried TO run away, Dut ne
was nothing but skin and bones at the
time. and he was so weak that ne couiu
hardly talk He had been SICK three OF
four weeks This Is the only ihlOrhia :
ton 1 have about the institution; don
know any of the officers OF the school De,
fore | went there ! thought II was eoou
place to correct "A boy. | don Know
what became Of the boy. am n aoorer
at the Richmond Locomotive Works. |
came here voluntarily and have not been
summoned. | did not make any report Oh
the treatment of that boy.
MIR. SAMPSON TESTIFIES.
This ended the testimony for the pros
ccution, and superintendent sampson
again took the stand, continuing MS teS-
timony given last Friday night as io'-
There are from twelve 20 twenty boys
at the institution Of the same character
as the one whom the guard shot; prooa-
bly, more. If they escaped | would tnlnh
the guard would be Justified To shoot
them The object Of the institution Is To
prevent crime. When a boy escapes |
know who he is If he was hardened
character. ] would Justify the guard TO
shoot him, but not a boy. only IN cases
of desperate boys who were armed ana
would injure "a guard II they could get
at him. | would justify the. guard 10 us2
his Judgment as TO shooting theH. !
have about half dozen boys OF thae
character NJ the school. We have no
prison department, but the boys are di-
vidod into three families according 10
their size. These families are kept sep
arately We don't brand a boy. and dc
not treat them as criminals and we never
refer TO their ofenses. All the boys OF 4
family" come I'm contact with each othor.
I do not think We defeat the object OF
the institution by not separating the boys
according 10 their crimes. The boys are
always under the eyes OF an officer. The
watchman visits the dormitories every
hour and looks into them whenever hs
hears the least noise. The rule Is for the
boys in the dormitories not TO talk.
THEE ARE NO GUARDS.
I'VE have fourteen people eating AT the
table: we have no real guards, but all
employees act as watchers; they arc also
teachers. but have no guns. There are
thirteen such teachers Mr.. Turner Is one
OF them. He halls from Norfolk. ] have
no recollection Of the episode told by
Mr.. Ford 1 had "A colored boy by the
name OF Willie Gray, who was the team
ster and afterwards the baker. some
times boys were sent 10 work with him
and he was expected to prevent them
from running away. He was there fouT
or i've months Thomas Hill was night
Waterman. and would have had authority
TO prevent boys from running away AZ
that time We had but one wing ana thirty'
five boys. The night watchman had m
struction TO call me at the slightest dis
turbance. I would not haYe endorsed
Hill's action II he had shot Dt boy 70
prevent him from escaping. mn was q
night Waterman TOT snort llHle Iie
had only authority to call me. jim Nc
Kinney. another colored man. was a
baker. and he had boy as helper. we
havo now another cOlOred man az a
baker. Mr.. Jeffries has had charge oil
the farming operations.
"We keep an oversight over the boy
until ne Is twenty-one years old. Atfer
they have been discharged they are taker
back when they are behaving badly. Dur
ing the past two years seven boys re.
turned on their own volition and asked
10 be taken back. which we did one hoy
was pardoned from tho penitentiary. anc
he has been returned three times. ne
asked 70 be taken back until spring. be
cause he could pot support hinseVt Al
the bows who have not been nnally dis
charged are out on parole. There are no'
many finally discharged before they reacf
that aze. We have no boys who are no
residents Of Virginia"
The committee adjourned at II O'Clock
until Monday morning az 10 o'clock. anc
the committee will also meet that even
ing at o'clock.
MISS RIVES I'LL.