The news & observer. [volume] (Raleigh, N.C.) 1894-current, 1898-09-18
DID DR.. KlLGO SAY 1T?
Several Gentlemen Testify
that Col. Webster Quoted
Him Correctly.
ARE PUBLIC SCHOOLS BABY RANCHES ?
Col. Webster and Others Say that Or. KiIgo
Said They Were Also the Places to Go
and Find Vice and immortality.

To the Editor:
The following communication from
DR.. Kilgo, appeared in recent issue Of
the News and Observer.
SIN Judge Clark's speech, published in
your paper issued yesterday, he drags
false statement into his utterances
concerning Colonel j. S. Carr, of Dur
ham. just why Judge Clark should re-
sort to such methods L am unable to
say. He never asked me about this
matter. nor was it in any way involved
in the investigation.
''Whle the marshals were decorating
the hall for the last commencement |
was busy in my office, preparing my
report for the trustees. was request |
ed to 60 to the hall and settle n dispute
that had arisen. l did not know the
cause of the dispute, but when | reach |
ed the hall | found it was concerning a
picture of Colonel j. S. Carr. / said to
the marshals: Take the picture back
to the Society Hall. We will not hang
it, This was the only remark made,
as Brother r. l.. Flowers and DR.. w.
L. Few will state. both being present.
The only object in view being to adj
just a little controversy. No such unkind
remark as Judge Clark reports was
made of Colonel j. S. Carr. 1t happen
ed to be his portrait, otherwise the same
thing would have been done concern
ing any other portrait.
Colonel J. S. Carr has bestowed rich
benefactions on Trinity college, and it
has never been the aim of the college to
wound him. but orders have always
been given to invite him to the rostrum
His benefactions have always been
recognized and appreciated as the litera-
ture of the college will show. / make
this statement because it is due Colonel
Carr and myself. Colonel Carr has not
been party to this controversy, and the
attempt to falsely drag him into it is
scheme unworthy of any one.
"JNO. G. KILGO.
p. S.-Snce writing the above | have
learned that the portraits Of Messrs. Il.
n Duke and ]. Southgate We're taken
out at the same time and were not
hung in the hall. j. Y. Is.
Trinity College, n. c.
Mr.. Lindsey Ellington, of Reidsville,
a student at Trinity college, and
young man of the highest character
knows all the facts as to the picture in
cident. Mrs. Pegram insisted that the
picture should be given place of honor,
which was vigorously opposed by Mrs.
Bassett A war of words ensued and
DIR. Kilgo was sent for to decide the
matter. Mr.. Ellington says he came in
white with rage, stamped on the floor
and ordered him to take Colonel Carr's
picture out, saying it was not fit to be
hung in his cellar. Mr.. Ellington re
fused to do so and walked out He has
repeated this statement to his two
uncles. Messrs. William and Joseph
Lindsey, and Rev. s. II. billiard, of this
town. No one who knows him believes
him capable of doing mean act. There
is not a purer young man in the State.
Again DR.. Kilgo, in his speech before
the Board of Trustees in the so-called
Clark Kilgo investigation denied, your
reporter said, most vehemently the
truthfulness of my affidavit in said case.
the following is the affidavit:
Estate of North Carolina,
Buckingham County.
"John r. Webster, being duly sworn,
SAYS he is citizen of Rockingham
county. State of North Carolina, that
he heard DR. Kilgo in lecture at Madi-
son in 1897 say that the kindergarten
or primary department of the graded
schools were baby ranches into which
people who could not or would not con-
troll their children pitched them to be
rid of the responsibility of their care and
restraine, and that il he was hunting
for vice and immortality, he would not
go into the ignorant sections of this
State, commonly called dark corners, but
he would go into the graded schools and
the other Christless institutions of learn
ing.
(Signed)
JOHN r. WEBSTER"
Sworn TO before me, this 22nd day of
August, 1897, w. G. Staples, Notary
Public
The affidavit of Mr.. J. =. McMichael,
of Madison was offered to the same eff
feet Read what Colonel John M. Gal
laway, so well and fayorably known all
over Sle State, says of him:
madison, n. c.. Sept. 6, 1898.
81 have known Mr.. J. p. McMichael
for several years, and take pleasure in
testifying that his general character
for yeracity is very good. His state
ments are entitled to belief.
JOHN NJ GALLAWAY."
We respectfully submit the following
additional testimony in regard to what
Kilgo said about the graded schools:
Madison. n. c., Sept. It'll, 1898.
X. q. Carter, being duly sworn. says
that he heard DR.. Kigo's lecture in the
town of Madison during the year 1897,
and in said lecture he said that the
primary department of the Graded
schools of the State were baby ranches
into which parents who could not or
would not control their children pitched
them to be rid of the responsibility of
their care and restraint, and that if he
was looking for vice and immortality he
would not go into the ignorant sections
of the State, commonly called the dark