The daily morning journal and courier., 1898-07-30
THAT CARROLL PETITION
SECOND HEIRING HELD BY CLAIMS
 COMMITTEE LAST NIGHT.

Says Question of Embarrassment En- tered Into Appointment of an In- speotor-Another Hearing Wn be Held.
 The committee on claims last night held another hearing on the petition of Anthony Carroll concerning the ap- pointment of an inspector and weigher school district. After the committee had heard persons on minor petitions the hearing on MT. Carrolrs petition was opened. All the members of the board of education, Secretary Day and Clerk Hewlett had been subpoenaed and all were present except Messrs. Betts and Asher of the board and MT. Hewlett.
 MT. Carroll stated that he was going controller not to pay for any coal until it was found whether or not MT. Gil- bert in furnishing the coal complied with the specifications in the contract. He said: You members of the court of common council represent taxpayers who have no way of knowing whether or not the city gets the coal it pays for, if inspectors duly appointed are not al- lowed to act"
 MT. Manson of the board of education was the first witness called. He was i.z 1r-it,, O. quently called. MT. Manson said that he had been a member of the board about four years and was on the com mittee on supplies and committee on school buildings in 1893, '94 and '95 He said that at that time contracts for coal were given out practically as they are now. He said that while he was on the committee the coal was weigh ed.
 E MT Carroll-"weighed by whom?"
 Mr. Manson-"By the dealer, I sup pose"
 s"Dd you have an inspector?"
 ''Yes, one year. Up to this year the committee on school buildings never had anything to do with the purchase of coal. The committee on supplies then did it, and I was not then on that committee"
 In response to question by MT Car- roll, Mr. Manson said that he had nev- CT seen the coal contract let this year, or heard of it until MT. Carroll read it at the hearing.
 MT. Carroll-"Do you know that this coal was ever weighed by an inspec- tor?''
 No"
 In response to a request by MT. Car roll, MT. Manson stated what had taken place at the board meeting on the night when the committee on school buildings reported that it had appointed MT. Car roll weigher and inspector of coal. He made statement of the facts already published in substance. referring to the point of order raised that the commit tee had no authority to appoint, the rul- ing by the chair that the point was well taken the appeal from the chair and the vote of 3, to 3 on the appeal. Mr. Carroll-"As a member of the board of education, do you know how much MT, Gilbert has drawn from the city for coal last year,"
 No, sir"
 DO you know how much he has drawn this year?"
 'No, don't.''
 MT. Manson, didn't you say that if it was not that you were not on friend ly business terms with MT. Gilbert you would have voted to sustain the com- mittee in it's action?"
 1T did say that although MT Gilbert and I were not on business terms l wouldn't use my position to vote to show that I would distrust him; that is, I wouldn't want to embarrass him by having an inspector appointed"
 Alderman Hogan-"Do you think an inspector would embarrass MT. Gill; bert?'
 s.No, sir, but wouldn't want him to think that distrusted him."
 MT. Hogan---"What is the committee to understand by the word 'embarrass' that you used?"
 "well that, being competitors in bus mess, I could bother him in any way by the appointment of an inspector. might bother him.
 "Then you believe that by the ap- pointment of MT. Carroll as inspector Mir Gilbert would be embarrassed?"
 'tYes, sir"
 Councilman Maley-"In what way would it embarrass him?"
 T can imagine that, having MT. Car roll in the coal yard, it would delay the going and coming of the teams and make the! cost of delivery somewhat greater"
 MT. Carroll-"Ever know of a report of the committee on supplies in regard to coal being rejected?"
 '.Well sir don't know" -.---- Alderman Hogan--'I understood you to say that when the committee on school buildings reported to the board of education the president of the board interpreted the report in regard to MT. Carroll as recommendation?
 "Yes, it was so interpreted"
 You stated a few moments ago that the chairman ruled that the committee had no authority to appoint"
 Yes, that it exceeded its authority" ''That the committee on school build ings had no right to recommend an ap- pointment to the board?''
 ''I mean that it was ruled that the committee had no authority to appoint. There was a tie vote on the appeal from the chair, and I consider that the ruling of the chair was not overruled."
 ''Is that the custom of the board when there is a tie vote?"