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Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15
Poraot Ills wife

James r. Thorpe, who had bsen at the
Montezuma for the past few days, let
today under amusing circumstances. Mr..
Thorpe is oae of those Jolly good fellows Of
Princeton college who takes life easy and
does not worry about "inissing the train"
He was to taks the 3:15 train south and
accordingly left the springs at 2;l0. Leav-
ing the train at Bridge a%treet, he sent his
wife on down to the depot while he should
get bis mail, a few cigars and u
Minneapolis Tribune without all of which
he swears he cannot be happy even with
his charming wife. he reached the depot
with these provisions just before tn. con-
ductor shouted "all aboafd.v The ticket
for his wife was yet to be bought. While
Mrs. Thorpe was signing the ticket, Mr.,
Thorpe, accompanied by anothsr gentle
man from the Springs, boarded the Pull
man with the baggage, and a crowd of
passengers including the governor Of the
Territory, got between them and the door
Toe train started while Mrs. Thorpe was
his friend formed q football rush in good
cid Princeton style and made a space
through the crowd, the ex-governor not receiv-
lag the g~entlest consideration. What has
he f~orgotton?" shouted the governor,
pulling himself together. 'His wife,
shouted hack Thorpe's friend. The big
train was finally stopped and the young
couple stepped on the rear platform. Thus
they departed, Mr.. Thorpe smiling and
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15
Fsom milwaukee.

"a party Of Milwaukee msn was side.
tracked here 10 their special car today.
The party consisted OF Messrs. August and
William Uihleiu, of the Schiitz Brewing
company. OF Milwaukee, aud Herman and
Rudolph Nimmernacbe.
Their sojourn Of eighteen days in the
southwest has not a little business sig
h~ifcance. They are returning from the
Pecos valley, where they have made ex-
tensive Investments in the beet sugar en-
terprise, The success Of the enterprise in
the Pecos valley is watched by these en-
terpri-ing gentlemen as q preliminary to
starting q like enterprise in Las Vegas.
10 passing the wool securing institution
coming in from the Springs, Mr.. Uihlein
remarked that their factory At Pecos was
four times it's Ska.
All the gentlemen Of the party assured a
reporter Of The OPrIo thai they were
highly pleased With Las Vegas.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15
The doscrnp. s rip.

No little comment has been caused in
this community concerning the action and
motivesof New Mexico's governor. in go
ing 800 mi.es to meet the new chief justice,
thus compelling him in returning courtesy
for c 5urtesy, to make his advent in New
Mexico at Santa Fe, rather than at the
headquarters of bis district.
Those who know this incoming chief
justice cannot think for a moment that the
governor had any other motive than a de-
sire to extend courtesy to his Old friend
and former townsman. Nevertheless the
action was peculiar and the is
quite general.
The Optic knows, and the people may
be assured, that Judge Mills could act lend
himself to any transaction other than such
as would comport with his honor as a mai
and his integrity as a Judge. His past is a
pledge for his future. As an individual he
Is for Las Vegas. as an official he will be
for the best interests of all the people.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15
p-uderca

THE OPTIohas been informed hat city
officials have ordered the opening o
streets without the authority of the com
mon council,,aas prescribed by the rules Of
city government. The CONSCIOUSNESS l;
widespread dissatisfaction among the tax
payers and the community in general.
In cases of this character, those con-
cerned should be consulted aud their con
sent.ostsined. This will be found to be
the best policy; for while it may require a
little more time, it conciliates the peop'e
and makes smoo.h the pathway of The
Officials.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

All those wishing to Inform themselves
of the proceeding Of the board of equaliza-
tion in regardto real and personal proper
ty, will do well to consult the notification
of said board, on fise at the county clerks
and assessors Offices, as the time Il near
approaching for the taxpayers to see to IL
that they avoid tronDle and mistakes and
consequently avoid their appearance be-
fore the toard as to attachments,
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15
Fer Rent.

Owing to having a large amount OF busi-
ness on my hands 40 l am unable to civ it
proper attention, | desire to rent my sum
mer resort hotel, at Ell Porvenir, to some
coed person who can and will maintain ii
in its good order and condition. The
prospects for the coming summer are ex-
%cellent. To the right party this is a fine
opening. Particulars can be had by ad-
dressing
NJ. ROMERO,
1856 Ell Poryenir, N. M.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

The little seven-months- old babe OF Mr.
and Mrs. Frank Trambley died at R%ocIada,
yesterday, with the measles and will be
buried tomorrow at the Catholic church at
that place. All friends OF the parents are
invited to attend.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

A son was born to Mr.. and Mrs. Eugenio
II. Baca, yesterday afternoon, the in
cipient piece of humanity surviving birth
but a short time. The mother is doing Ms
well as could be expected under the cir
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Chas. Rumley, of La Porte. Inds who
was here for his health last summes. died
Lon, the 7 b OF this month. Louis Echett
re ceived q letter from the widow Of the
deceased. Mr.. Rumley made many friends
here, who will be panied to learn of his
death
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

THE OrTIc announces with great regret
the death OF the only son OF Mr.. and Mrs.
G. N. Black well, at Riton. The youth,
about fourteen yerrs old, passed away this
morning at Q 10 O'Clock, after a lingering
and painful illness. The sympathy Of the
commu .ity is with the bereaved parents.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

II. @. Coors has begun TO remodel his
residen.s, corner Sixth and Washington
streets. The stone contract has been let.
Fritch & Co. are the architects, end the
building is to be So changed that even the
~nccnnantR will not know It.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Cards are out for a ball that will be
given blythe west side Literary society at
the Plaza hotel on the 22nd inst, Wash
ington's. birthday. n.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Bonifacio Lucero has fitted up a neat
little grocery store in connection with his
jewelry and watch repairing establish
ment, on the the south side OF the plaza.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Lowenstein, S rouss u Co., of Mora, sent
over fifteen wagons loaded with grain,
today.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Efforts are making for the release from
the penitentiary of Francisco Vallegas, an
old man who has served fourteen years of
a sixty-year sentence, for incest.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

The postoffice It Mora has been moved
into the store of the St. Vrain Mercantile
company, where comfortable quarters
have been provided for 1t.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

GOOD ROOMS: These, with board, can
" be had at 403 Sixth street, corner Ma
lonal. IS tt
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

The school board of the city of East Las
Vegas request all patrons to send in their
pledg es of tuition before Friday evening
next. S5-4t
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Syn psis OF statement OF the American
Central Fire Insurance company, of st.
Louis. Mo-, A. b. Smith & Co., agents:
Assets ...... 81. TBS, 26i 90
Liabilities, including cspitsl.. l 1886 6s5 "A
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15
AFELD'S T Piszs
3 Good Things

Spring Carpet Clearing This is big event to h0us0keepers
every spring when Is put aside ali remnants, odd pmcss and patterns no
longer made, Cutting The Prices Regardless cfloss. This year there
are uncommon bargains in iugrain, brussels and velvet carpets and 10
matungs, oil cloths, liaohums and rugs-al TO BE CLEARED oUF
BEFORE MARCH 1t. = N,
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Mrs. B.. Dauzinger presented Der son
Morris with an elegant gold watch in
honor of bis twenty-irst birthday.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Casino Gonzales IS in the city investi-
eating q claim against the government for
d~epredations caused by the India ms in
1857. s--e
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15
A Wirfcr of Roses

And ORANGE blossoms in delightfnl south
cru California. Only fifty four hours
away byatho California Limited-Santa Fe
Route.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

EOR RENT Nicely furnished cottage OF
two rooms. for Night housek ee ping.
Inquire at 4cS Fifth street. 1911
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

VIM. Kraul, jr., is the successful bidder
fer The brick and carps nters' work on the
Clay & Bloom livery stable.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

The sale of one cent postage stamps at
the posto f%iices, yesterday, was unusually
liv ly, it being Valentine day.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15
SPECIAL NOTICES.


WANTED buy 100 second hand
w. cooking stoves at S. KquRman's, on
Bridge street. IL
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Try a pair of those famous Carhartts'
Corduroy pants, for sale by
1t JAKE BLOCK. ~
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

We carry Duolop g. Stetson hats as well
as q big line Of cheaper makes.
1t JAKE BLOCK.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15
sr---
THE JEWISH FAIR.
The Event Of the Season. from Any and Evsr,
Standpoint.

A'L
The opening evenir & Of the Jewish fair
was what everyone anticipated-an over
whelming success. Such an assemblaee Of
beauty and worth this city has seldom
seen. The entire community seemed to
have turned out to do homer to thu occas-
| sion.
The opere house was decorated with
true artistic skill, while the booths pre-
scented a variety of rich and beautiful OH
jects. dazzling to the eye and impressive
to the Imagination.
As one entered the auditorium, on the
left was a eypaey tent, whore palmistry
was practiced, the occupants being
costumsd in the true gypsey style. Next
t. this came the paper booth and the
postotic- Their the candy booth, followed
BY the Tuf kish booth. In the latter, dress
ell in flu / Turkish dress, we're maidens
such as the prophet dreamed of, ready to
supply a pipe or furnish q cup Of delicious
coffee. Passing tn the right of the stage,.
was the Japanese booth, with all kinds OF
goods from the Chrisanthemum empire,
sold by ladies in full Jsp-
l dnFSB tOilcLS. FUltDWluk tniSs Culuo
the notion booth, the fshpond, the fancy
goods booth, the ice cream soda fountain
and the flower table. The latter had al
most every kline OF greenhouse flowers,
aud will continue to be SO supplied during
the entire fair. Ice cream and chocolate
booths completed the list.
The EVENINGS program was opened by a
brief but happy address by DR.. Bonheir,
who introduced Chief Justice Thos. Smith.
Judge Smith did as he always does, said
the right things in the right place and did
not take too much time in saying them. His
address was a model of oratorical effect.
The children's carnival was beautiful
not a single drawback. THE OPTIc will
give the successful competitors for prizes
later on. For this evening, the following
is the ffg
,s PROGRAM
Overture. ~........... Hands Orchestra
Tableau-"In roduc, ng the Bride,s.:
!. ......: ......... .....O. Hefdm an
Tableau-'Depa ted Spirits" HIP Bellew
Selection ............ Hands Orchestra
Tablesu-nIs licycling Bad for the
HeartY'.....:.... SO. g D. Gibson
ITableau-'In Grandmother's Time''...
Tableau--.The American Girl" $500.
,....... d. Gibson
s I ction ........... Hands Or hestra
Tableau-HFiue Feathers MAX Fine
Birds; or, The Attraction Of Brass
.Bu, tons"....... ...............
Tableau-..Sappho". .................
ETahleau-"The Coming BELIEF. ......
~Tableau-'Tbe Bachelo.'s Dreamassa..
j Selection. 49,. ...... Hands Orchestra
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Mrs. NJ. b. Ward, 40S Fifth street, has
re.opened her dress-making p%arlors. Pa
tronaee solicited. 73-1m*
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

1t looks as if work on the normal school
has been temporarily stopped, as the roof
remains about the same as for several days.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

EOR RENr-A fve-rg ON, furnished
u house, north Seventh street. Apply
at 425 north Third street. 6O-tf
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

HOT RENT-An unfurDished room. En-
= qaire Of the Las Vegas telephone com
pans,s 1S-tf
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

The foundation for the new Clay &
Bloom building on Bridge street, is COM
pleted.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Table Linens at Two Thirds The large display Of table
cloths, go wells and 1ones low forming TN overhead decoration al front
Of frst fl ,r Will " CONE DOWN {" both literally and, in price. Rather
than put these articles again in stock we viii take ONE.THIRD OFF
THEIR PRICE, Will not that make them interesting TO lOue
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Special sale in dry goods of latest styles
for a few days at Brooks & Co.'S. sTfs 1T
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

WANTED:-A girl for general housework.
Mrs. j. E. Moore, III Tenth street. IS 2t
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Mrs. Felipe Delgado is recovering from a
severe attack of pneumonia. :" ''sssl
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

New 81 rir G goods in large quantities
arriving daily at Brooks, Il Cos. ~
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Thelittle child of Albino B. Gallegos is
down with the measles.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Regular weekly meeting of the Jr. o. U
A. M. tonight.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Good board by the Day or week. sIn-
quiie at Sl3 National ttreet. IT VI.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

The little son Of J1hu s. Clark Is down
with the measles.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Newly furnished rooms, first class board,
at Sl3 National street. Sl-bt
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Henry Essinger had 50, 900 insurance on
his house aud furniture.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Brooks & Co. will meet everybody's
prices in dry goods. IL
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Kid gloves, latest style, newest shades,
received at Rosenwald's. 60 "
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

For hats and caps, go to the Sporledei
Shoe Co. W OF
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Pedro Ortiz has been appointed janitor
at the court house.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

1--WE carry q. full line. Of fine dress suits.
rlt JAKE BLOCK.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Net surplus beyond capital. 80 4Ol. $751;
S. 1t
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

DIR. A. E. McKELLAR. DENTIST.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

IL you want a nobby suit Of clothes go to
Blocks, IL
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Theo Rutsnbeck is sick abed.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Tree trimming is now the order of the
day. +
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Important notice by rlfe'd's-se see ad.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15
TUESDAY EVENING, FEB. is, 1898.
Rec TALK.

Go to Blocks for mems shoes.
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

Birds; or, The Attraction Of Brass
-Ru' tons"....... ................
Tableau-."Sappho'. ...............
Tapleau-"The Coming BELIEF. =.
~Tatleau-'Tbe Bachelo.'s Dreamas.a..7
Selection. -. ....... ~. Hands Orchestra
Las Vegas daily optic. [volume] (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908, 1898-02-15

1885,
The morning news. [volume] (Savannah, Ga.) 1887-1900, 1898-07-23
EIGHT GIVEN TWELVE MONTHS.
Judge Norwood Has a Good Batch OF

Judge Norwood Has Good Batch Of
Criminals for the County.
Ten years and nine months was the sum
total of the sentences given by Judge Nor
wood to petty criminals who came before
him in the City Court yesterday. There
were eight sentences of twelve months
each, five for six months and one for
three months.
While Wearel was given sentence of
$50 or twelve months for stealing one lot
of copper from LA Mccarthy. Wearel was
also found guilty of stealing lot of SHOW
els from Rourke & Mitchell, for which he
VIII be permitted to serve another twelve
months in addition to the first sentence
Joe Green was sentenced to pay a fine
Of $25 and costs or serve twelve months on
the chain-gang for stealing a lot of lead
pipe belonging to the Savannah Guano
Company. Green Is an old offender and
before being sent to the chain-gang his
picture was taken for the rogues gallery
Louisa Adams was sentenced to pay a
fine of SO or serve twelve months for
stealing a lot of clothing from Josephine
Harris.
John Brooks was evidently bent on a
bowling tear He tried to explain to
Judge Norwood why he stole one pistol
and one quart of whisky from Sam Toll
bert but the explanation was unsatisfac-
tory, for all of which he was sentenced to
pay fine of $25 or serve twelve months.
Clarence Fields just couldn't help it, He
saw good chance 20 get away with the
chickens, and he took eight pairs of them
from Charles Middleton. There were
more chickens, however, than Fields could
conveniently get away with and he was
caught He will spend twelve months on
the chain-gans in lieu of paying a fine of
SIS and costs
Arthur Mason was caught with certain
stolen property namely, one coat belong
ing to Mr.. E. ]. Whalen clerk in the office
of the clerk of Superior Court. Judge
Norwood gave him twelve months on the
gang to repent.
William johnson, a colored constable.
was taught a severe lesson by the court
johnson took from one Charles King. ST. 50
in money, which was not'due him by King,
for which Judge Norwood sentenced him
to pay fine of $25 aud costs or spend
twelve months on the gang.
Coleman Smith was convicted of cheat
ing and swindtng Emma Noon out of the
sum Of s1.65 He was sentenced 10 serve
six months, but the sentence was suspend
ed until the further order of the court
Dave Grant was sentenced to pay a fine
of So and costs or serve six months on the
chain-gang for assaulting and beating Ann
BriIton.
81 Baldwin was given sentence Of SIS
and costs or SIX months on the chain
gang for carrying concealed weapon.
George Rivers was sentenced to pay a
fine Of $40 and costs or spend six months
on the chain-gang for the larceny of 81
from Harry Strickland
Maggie Williams who stole a diamond
ring from Mrs. c. A Morgan, was SEN
fenced 10 pay a fine of $50 and costs, or
serve six months on the chain-gang.
Pop Holmes was sentenced to pay a fine
of 50 and costs or serve three months for
assaulting and beating Oscar Hicks.
The morning news. [volume] (Savannah, Ga.) 1887-1900, 1898-07-23
MAY ADD PENSION FEATURE.
Plant system Considering Extension
OF Its Hospital Department.


OF Its Hospital Department..
The Plant System is considering extend
ing the operations Of its relief and hospi-
tai department.
Heretofore the department has confined
Itself TO sick and death benefits with treat
ment in the systems hospital for those
who were injured or i'll and desired to so
there. Large amounts have been paid out
each month from the funds accumulated.
Al employees of the system are included
in the department membership being, it
is understood, obligatory
It is suggested now that the benefits to
be derived from this association be ex-
tended 50 as to include pensions for en-
pioyes who become disabled, or decrepit
from illness or age. While nothing definite
has yet been done on this line it Is under
stood that the officials who have been
mainly instrumental in the organization
of the relief and benedt department are
carefully Considering the best ways and
means TO introduce this feature, either as
part of the workings of the department
referred to or as a separate organization.
ADC%A'rN'
this line within a short time.
IN Germany, ana perhaps in some other
countries, the matter Of compulsory pen
slons has been carried to a considerable
length. In the great nnWorks of Krupps,
and other mammoth Industrial establish
iaents, certain amount Is withheld each
week from the wages OF employees ana put
In to common fund from which pensions
are paid after a certain tenure of service
on Ia the event of total disability by acct
dent or otherwise The deduction is said
to be small, the total is carefully and safe
~ invested, and the results are claimed to
have proved the wisdom of the procedure.
Such paternalisUc methods have seldom
met with public approval in this country
ana the attempts to introduce them have
been few and, as far as is known, Of
doubtful success
In conjunction with such a department
as that already in operation on the Plant
System, which employs nearly 5000 men,
II might be that il coC}d be brought to a
fine state of perfection and made equally
as valuable an adjunct to Industrial life
as 1t is claimed 20 be in Germany. The
chief trouble IN all such movements is eaid
TO be to reconcile the employees to having
a stated amount withheld from their
wages, or their being required to pay a
certain amount monthly or weekly as
would he done in this country. To insure
the success of such a plan requires large
membership and expert management by
men who know how to invest money with
good results.
The Baltimore and Ohio system has a re-
lief department similar to that of the
Plant System, and pays out large amounts
in about the same way. If the Plant Sys-
TEN should undertake to provide pensions
for its employees it IS quite probable that
other roads would follow suit to a consid-
cradle extent If the interest of the men
can be aroused In the suggested innovation
a considerable leverage toward success
would already be obtained