The herald., 1898-10-15
NO TALK OF INDEMNITY
NoRCLAIM FOR DESTRUCTION OF
THE MAINE
AMERICA TO PAY CUBAN DEBT
Peace Commissioner Abarzuza Gives
His Ideas Of Fair Scheme OF
War Settlement
Associated Press Special Wire.

Associated Press Special Wire.
NEW YORK, Oct. IA special to the
World from Paris says:
Senior Abarzuza, a member of the SPAN
ish peace commission, was Interview py the
World correspondent -
HAS the United States demanded the
whole Philippine group ysa Was sanor aSnea A,ar-
zuza. "and viii, I think, be content with
the Ladrcmes or part Of them. perhaps
Guam, which she has already taken. HOW.
ever, as to that l give only my impression
HAS not the United States displayed
magnanimity in not demanding indem-
nity?"
views. The commissions will not have to
consider any question Of money indemnity"
us there no claim for the Manner"
'.That does not fall within the scope OF
the commissions work"
''Is is true that serious hitch has arisen
between the commissions and that break
In negotiations Is possihle!
THE runner Is a RIDICULOUS exasseraS'on'
No hitch has arisen"
"On what ground can Spain ask the
United states to assume the Cuban debt?'
'Cuba Is the key to the Gulf Of Mexico,
and has long been necessary to the United
States For that reason she might take
upon herself the Cuban debt. When the
United States gets Cuba she will instantly
secure control Of the customs, which Will
enable her to effect q conversion Of the
debt and reduce the interest from to
"You imply that Spanish rel.nqulshment
Of sovereignty means American annexa-
ton. not Cuban Independence"
"Certainly: our REIMBURSEMENT mean the
transfer Of sovereignty to America with a u
its rights; therefore, also its oblgatioEe."
hot anriv anna11y tn the PhiI.n-
pines and their debt?"
mo, that case is absolutely opposite
America would be extremely unwise to start
a policy of colonial expansion. Then the
Philippines would mean colonial army, a
colonial civil service and more ships"
"But the American people have fully
counted the COST
'They cannot have done so, because they
do net know it. OF course, II the United
States was seeking to obtain large interests
In the far east the Philippines would be
| valuable Such a policy, however, would
entail constantly increasing sacrifices and
involve interna at.onal complications Of the
most onerous description"
Fifth Joint Session
| PARIS, Oct. 14.-Commander Bradford
| U. 8. NJ, who has arrived here from Wash
ington was examined this morning by tn,
members Of the United States Peace Com
| MISSION rclaLlVe 10 tn6 COhO4tlOuS pre-
X the Tie Philippine fsiandssg.f Which Lieuten
ant Commander Bradford Is acquainted
with.
The fifth joint session Of the two com
missions was convened at 2 o'clock today
1t may be said that the first, second and
third meetings scarcely penetrated the sur
face Of any protocol point, and less still
the marrow. Last Tuesday, however
marked the Spanish presentment regarding
the Cuban debt. which has. during recess
brought the Americans to serious prepa,
rxtions. adjustment Of their diplomatic
forces and the formulation Of plan upon
which they may ultimately stand in r9la.
tion to the Cuban phase Of their mission
here.
Today's session was two hours longe,
than any previous one. The American re-
ply to the Spanish presentation Of Tuesday
was submitted and read. An oral discus.
sion followed. occupying the time until
about ten minutes after six o'clock when
the commissions adjourned until Monday
next.
1t is believed that the Spaniards submit
ted as their construction of the proto-
col that 1t was just to consider Spain as
having equities fairly dischargeable by the
American assumption Of Cuban obliga.
tions. 1t is not unlikely that the Ameri
cans voiced the conviction that fair
equities to the United States, in war ex.
penses. were incurred by the United States
possibly, though not positively, the Amer.
leans may schedule the values Of the bat.
tbeship Maine as among the expenditures
possible Of classification against the So
called Cuban debt However, 1t may be
considered certain that the commissions