New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1898-06-18
that time was to "scru,inize all measures intro

: That what did" responded the witness
And you ran the LerisatureT
"Oh. ! don't know about that" replied the Wit
ness.
yp a snfw Of the DeSsH 2 sS
Black to your present Office
Il did"
And by the newspaper
"Oh. sure
For his services in scrutinizng measures at Al
bany the witness said he could not recall the
amounts paid him in the shape Of salaries. lie al
mitted having received some checks hut would 10;
! admit having received six eight salaries in lNi
as he had testified to before the Senate committee
in the summer Of that year Tho witness could
not recall whether he had received money
from individuals or corporations in 1895 for the
furtherance of interests favorable 10 them AZ Al
bany He said he kept books and had no hank
account at the time.
Have you books and bank account now?' Mr..
Nicoll asked.
"Oh. sure have
And you had neither in 1876 ?"
| NO. did not; not In business then
The witness testified to his inability 10 recall the
names of the persons who employed him IN 'ohn;
! ing in 1894 or 1886 He could even state the
amount in bulk received for his services in scru-
| tnzing measures Albany"
! Asked II IT much az 10000 MI Psyn
! shook his head. and reiterated his lack OF recoi-
! lection.
| subsequently
! been employed Ivy the attorney Of the Manhattan
/ Elevated Railway Company defeat measure
! making IT compulsory the company to run all
| night trains on the elevated road and for whlch
the witness said he received the sum agreed upon.
| but could not recall the exact amount.
| Are you a lawyer" Queried Mr. Nicoll
NO sir"
| And how did YOU represent your employers in
| Albany
| IT talked with Senators and Assemblymen on the
subject OF the measures which werc OF interest 10
! my employers. advising them what TO 40 ana no"
10 vote in the matter"
AS far back az 1865 the witness said. he looked
after the interests OF the Erie Railroad and jay
Gould in the Legislative halls al Albany
PAY FROM JAY GOULD.
1u,.,c. Mac1,ean. on an objection by MI Ranes.
| told Mr. Nicou that no could not continue In this
particular line Of inquiry unless he a. first showed
a sinister motive the part OF the witness OF
which he desired question Mr.. Payns HeraciV-
did YOU receive the Of 5000 from MI GouId
for looking after the interests OF the Erie hafo"u
before the Legislature in 1852
II did"
And did you receive similar sum from Mr..
Thompson?
u did"
And did Gould know that Thompson paid you.
too?"
II don't know"
where did Gould pay you the Ho"o?'
AT Albany"
Did YOU tell Gould that Thompson paid you?''
Il did not"
WHAT places did Gould and Thompson hold IN
the F-,o Railroad Company that time?
could was president and Thompson was a d.
rector" .
"What services did you render for that slorHE
Il examined a coal mine IN Pennsylvania
''Is that all YOU did for Gould and thompson
Il spoke 10 Senator Palmer IN favor OF the pas
sace ~ the Erie Railroad bill
"D.d YOU retain your place HarboT Master
during that time?
"Oh sure Gaughter)
WAS that your first appearance as lohhyman
81 was never Il lobbyman." the witness answered
hotly.
MI Nicou read from the testimony OF the Wit
ness given before the Senate Committee. In which
he admitted being Il lobbyist.
Did YOU not so testify In reply TO one OF the
Senators and Mr.. Root"
Possibly" answered the witness
Al this 1uncture Mr.. Nicoll offered In evidence
the report made TO the Legislature by the senate
Committee. embodyng the testimony gwen az '"e
time by MI payn. Justice MacIran EXCLUDED 'ns
report and MIR Nicoll took an exception ''o.hS
back 20 the officers amendment. MI Fayn deiI'l
having drafted It, nni anrt,e1 m"r. NM, tnS' reG I'm
the newspapers OF - passage In ine AsseinnlS
TO New York Captain Burns ne said told him
thar the officers were included IN ne measure. and
| sage. particularly because OF his friendship Tor
not beng a resident OF New-York CITY. did you
consult sr, VIII VIII, The Mayor about ~
nor with the Board Of Es,mat, and Apportion
ment Board Of Aldermen p"
| II ddn't see why should. replied the witness
AND ny You did not consult with Mayor strong
on 2 subject that would cost the city over NN.WE
| annually The witness shook MS head negatively.
| Was not Mayor Strong a member Of your
'"0h. no; he was not" replied the witness
Wines at this point told how he had given the
amendment 10 Senator Robertson. who to oked II on
| the Firemen's Salaries bill going into detail with
| regard 10 the manner ~ which is was dropped
Mr.. Payn denied having induced Robertson 70
Qusg had mad speel@l oa on senator H'oef'
| How much money did YOU receive from the FIX
empt Firemen's Association
"Ten thousand dollars
witness said ne received this money on March II.
| 1896 and # handed to him by either Mr.. Gil
lawyer Glldcrslceve. the witness testified told him
| thai the amount named was raised for legislative
| PURPOSES 10 be used at Albany, and represented
;ha ne received the $1,000 check appended his sig
nature thereto and doied ont part or IL TO others.
| including a lawyer at Albany
CHIEF BONNER CALLED.
After recess the further cross-examina,ion OF Nj
Pawn was temporarily suspended In order 20 nrrofd
the defence an opportunity OF calling 10 tho witness
stand Fire chief Hugh Bonner. In reply 10
Assistant Disirici-Attorney John d Lindsay. Chef
S "a ,ne reasGns WHICH nrompied him
| 10 resign from membership in that body. Chief
| Bonner admitted knowing Captain John J. Burns.
then president Of the Officers Association and OF
| his having a conversation with him, during which
the corruption fund matter was touched upon. Tho
| witness, a tide OF objections on the part OF
| counsel for the plaintiff said he asked Captain
| Burns what action the Officers Association had
taken with regard TO the published report regard
ing the existence Of such "A fund. and that Captain
Burns III reply denied all knowledge OF such fund.
The Chief admitted having told Captain Burns
that II the published reports were true he would
at once sever his connection with the association,
reslgnns in the early part of March, 1884,, This
evidence in direct contradiction 10 that ad-
duccd by Captain Burns. who testified in the most
| emphatic manner that he had not spoken to chief
Bonner nor had Chief Bonner spoken 10 him on the