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The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1897-08-12
New Wilder Steamer.

Word was received from San Fran
cisco at the office of the Wilder Steam
ship Company yesterday that the new
boat now being built at the Union
Iron Works, would be ready before the
contract time, February 1, 1898; also,
that the steel to be used is of very
much better quality than that agreed
to in the contract.
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NOTICE TO CONTRACTORS.

Tenders for the erection of the Pro-
gress Block, corner Beretania and Fort
Streets, will be opened at the Office
of Ripley & Dickey, Architects, at noon
THURSDAY, August 18th.
The owner, Mr.. G. S. Deskey, reser-
yes the right to reject any or all bids.
4681-4t
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Peneuin's Movements.

II. B. M. S. Penguin received orders
Yesterday to proceed direct to Fan
nfng's Island. She will sail on FRIDAY,
instead of today, as previously decided
on and will not stop to survey the
reef discovered so miles off this island
ON making for the port of Honolulu.
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TIDES, SUN AND MOON.
moon August u, at Sh. 5Sm. a. m.

Full moon August Il at oh, DOM. a. m
The tides and moon phases are given in
Standard time. The time of sun and
ali ports in the group are in local time,
to which the respective corrections to
Standard time applicable to each diff
ferent port should be made.
Tba Standard time whistle sounds at
1ah. Om. Os. (midnight), Greenwich time,
which is In. 30m. p. m. OF Hawaiian
Standard time.
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VESSELS LEAVING TODAY.

Stmr J. A. Cummins, Searle, for
Oahu ports, at a. m.
Stmr. Noeau, Peterson, for Lahaina,
Honokaa and Kukuihaele, at a. m.
P. NJ S. S. China, Seabury, for China
and Japan, at 4 p. m.
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HAWAIIAN TRIBE, No. 1, |. @. R. M.

The regular meeting of Hawaiian
Tribe, No. 1, L. o. r. M, will be held
in Harmony Hall THIS THURSDAY
EVENING, August 18th, at 1880.
By order of:
46S4-1t SACHEM J. F. ECKARDT.
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SITUATION WANTED.

Advertiser Germany desires situa-
ton as working housekeeper or gen
eral Excellent coon and needle
woman and we'll recommended.
4679-1w x. Y. T., Queen Hotel.
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ARRIVALS.

Wednesday, August II.
p. NJ. S. S. China, Seabury, from
San Francisco.
Stmr. J. A. Cummins, Searle, from
Oahu ports.
Stmr. Kaala, Mosher, from Oahu
ports.
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CO|DWe|| Residence

and at present occupied by Mrs. Wild
difield.
The real estate comprises about
4.7-1O0 acres of the finest residence
property in Honolulu.
The grounds are planted with a vast
variety of fruit, shade, palm and other
trees, and are laid out with fine car
riage drives and walks through tropical
foliage One of the valley streams
runs through the eastern boundary of
the property.
The main dwelling is commodious
two-story building, containing Spaci-
Gus Drawing Room, Dining Room,
Billiard Room, Bed Rooms, ETC.,
and has all modern improve
ments. The house is substantially
built and the rooms are all we'll venti-
lated. Sanitary plumbing throughout.
Cottages, Stables, Carriage Houses
and Out-houses on the property.
The situation commands an unsur-
passed view of the Harbor, the main
portion of the City and the adjacent
mountain scenery This is one of the
largest and finest residences that has
been offered at public sale in Honolulu,
and must be sold to close the above
Estate.
Immediately following the sale of the
residence I will sell
The Entire Household Furniture
particulars of which can be obtained
at my office.
Parties contemplating purchasing the
Residence and wishing to inspect the
same, should make application at my
office, No. SO Queen Street.
JAS. F. MORGAN.
4683-tf
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From Sydney, Wellington, N.Y., and SuVa
For Victoria and Vancouver, Be.

Through tickets issueo from Homo
lulu to Canada, United States and Eu-
rope.
For Freight and Passage and all
general information, apply to
T. H. DAVIES & CO., LTD.
General Agents.
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FOR WAIALUA.

SCHOONER WAIALUA, Capt. John
Nelson, will make WEEKLY TRIPS
to Waialua, Oahu. For further par
ticulars, apply to Captain on Board.
4678-1m
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IMPORTS.

From Oahu ports, per stmr. j. A.
Cummins, August 11.-60 bags sugar,
$40 bags rice.
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LOST.

At Postoffice yesterday a BUNCH of
KEYS. Reward at Advertiser office
46S4-1t
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REAL ESTATE FOR SALE.

J. M. MONSARRAT has for sale the
following properties:
l. Premises off Vineyard Street, Ho-
nolulu, with two Cottages thereon.
This is fine property. Cottages will
let for SIS and s12 per month, respec-
lively.
2. Premises on Eva side of Liliha
Street, between School and Kuakini
Streets. Has a frontage of 1873 feet
and a depth Of 17O.S feet. One Cot
tage on maku end of the lot. Let's for
SIS per month.
46S0-tf J. M. MONSARRAT.
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WANTED.

Position as housekeeper or house
work to do. Address L., this Office.
46S4-1W
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FOREIGN MAIL SERVICE.

Steamships will leave for and arrive
from San Francisco or Vancouver on
or about the following dates In 1897:
ARRIVE LEAVE
From San Francisco For San Francisco
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c. BREWER Z CO., Id.

Queen Street, Honolulu, H. I.
AGENTS FOR
Hawaiian Agricultural Company, Ono
mea Sugar Company, Honomu Sugar
Company, Wailuku Sugar Company,
Waihee Sugar Company, Makee Su-
gar Company, Haleakala Ranch Com
pany, Kapapala Ranch.
Planters Line, San Francisco Packets;
Chas. Brewer & Co.'s Line of Boston
Packets.
Agents Boston Board of Underwrit-
erS.
Agents for Philadelphia Board Of Un-
derwriters.
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LOST.

LADY'S Blue Macintosh Cape, with
velvet collar, between Waikiki and
Nuuanu Valley. Return to this office
and receive suitable reward. 4671-f
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METEOROLOGICAL RECORD.

By the Government Survey. Published
Every Monday.
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LIST OF OFFICERS:

P. G. Jones, President; Geo. H. Rob-
ertson, Manager; e. f. Bishop, Treas
urer and Secretary; Col. w. F. Allen,
Auditor; G. M. Cooke, H. Waterhouse,
G. r. Carter, Directors.
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VESSELS EXPECTED.
Vessel: From: Date:
Schr. Novelty, Newcastle. .........D Due
Schr. Aloha, San Francisco. Aug. 16
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WANTED.

4 position as cashier or to clerk in
a store by a young lady. Address
NJ R. this office. 4682-3t
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FURNITURE FOR SALE.

Owing to sudden departure, Mrs.
Mary Holden offers for sale the furni-
ture of 5 rooms and kitchen. Apply
at corner of Hotel Street and Adams
Lane 4679-1w
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CoD0diQl AuS|[q|iQn R0y0
M0l Steamship 60.

Steamers of the above line, running
in connection with the CANADlAi'
PACIFIC RAILWAY COMPANY pc
tween Vancouver, B. c., and Syaney'
n. s. w. and calling at Victoria. b. C''
Honolulu, Suva (FijD and Wellington
y. a., are
Due at Honolulu:
On or about the dates below stated. viz:
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Barometer corrected for temperature
and elevation. but not for gravity.
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Freight trains will carry passenger &C
sommodations.
F. c. SMITH, Gen. Pass. & Tiki. Agt
q. p. DENISON, superintendent
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TTGnSOCi @ GGnefQI B0nkng Z ESChunOe Business

Deposits Received: Loans made on Apnrovad
security. COMMERCIAL and Travelers' Credit
Issued Bills OF Exchange Bought and Sold.
Collections Promptly Accounted ror
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I'M E TABLE,:

ne Passenger Tvs
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DRAW EXCHANGE ON
San Francisco-TEe Nevada Bank NJ san
Francisco. '~A
London-The Union Bank of London nad,
Bank. A"n0i
Chicago-Merchants National Bank.
Paris Compton National d'Escompte A.
Paris. "o
Berlin-Dresdner Bank
Hongkong and Yoxohama-Hongkoue and
Shanghai Banking Corporation ~
New zealand and Australia Bank of
New Zealand. Va
Victoria and Vancouver-Bank of Brit.
ish North America Va or'
Grant County herald. [volume] (Lancaster, Wis.) 1850-1968, 1897-04-01
Correct The Mistake.

EDITOR OF THE -Strolling
by the Soldiers monument this morn
ing. my attention was called to a
name thereon that should be corrected
as it is misspelied and misleading.
called attention to this error years ago
but stjllit has not beencorrected. In
the spring and early summer of 1861.
at Muscoda sat at the same table
with four other young men. all
OF us subsequently, enlisting, three
in company d of the 9TH Wisconsin
nifty, one in company B. of the 25th,
and in the sixth battery. The names
of the three 9TH boys are engraved to-
gether on the monument: John Rein
berger, Frank NJ. Bull and Samuel
Richmond, but instead of the first be-
ing ''Reinberger" as it should be spell
ed ''Remberger'' defect that can be
easily remede1 by changing the first
bar of the nj into an l. This IS Lut an
act of justice, as the object of the
monument is to commemorate the
names Of patriotic dead who gave
their lives that the union might live
and among the many names of heroes
recorded there are few more worthy
Of this simple tribute than that Of
patriotic John Reinberger, a southern
er who espoused the cause Of the
union II. $. kEENE
Lancaster. March both, 1897,
Grant County herald. [volume] (Lancaster, Wis.) 1850-1968, 1897-04-01

Commercial Co. for 100000 and pay
a bounty to the United States Of Si.50
for each seal they Kill, and none but
males four wears old 81 over to he
killed These islands are watched by
five Men-of-War and any vessel caught
in these waters without clearance pa
pers from the custom house at Dutch
Harbor are seized and conlis1ated. A
vessel entering these waters to fish
viii. on receiving their clearance pa
per., give up all fire arms and are
given pears 10 Kill seals with. These
have two prong. and a handle three
feet long, 10 which IS attached stout
string
After we pass the Aleutian Islands
we enter the Pacific ocean, and from
here to Seattle. Wash. is 1900 miles.
We were out of sight OF land three
DAYS on the Bering sea and ten days
on the Pacific ocean We had stormy
weather for eight days and on account
Of this sailed at one time $50 miles
out Of our way The crew consisted
of l12 miners, 30 ship-carpenters and
two sisters Of charity. All We're sea-
sick except the ships crew and could
be heard saying, New Yoroik from
all quarters OF the vessel. We landed
safely in Seattle after being OH board
the vessel p days. | start on my
second trip to this country the 18Th
inst HENRY ELWELL.
Grant County herald. [volume] (Lancaster, Wis.) 1850-1968, 1897-04-01

sion while seeming to protect the
county from liability does not. Note
the language. Nothing herein
shall make the county liable that is.
nothing n this particular hin shall,
by its own force, make the county IL
able to ny. But It Is not said in the
bill. (as would have been said if there
was no purpose thro h this bill to
get pay from the county for the
wretched work in the registers Office
which the County Board disearded)
tint ne coulty shat ,ot pig FOR this re-
cording such language would have
been plain and prohibtive and would
have fully protected the county This
bill. BY its statement that nothing
therein shall make the county liable.
nipple, that there may be liability
fixed by something not lcreiu by
some other law. The fees Tor record
ing legal certificates Of births. mar
riages and deaths, are fixed by the re-
vised statutes When the register
has made legal record OF such Ger
titieate be IS entitled to pay for it
from the county. The late County
Board refused to pay for records Of
certificates made by the late register
to the amount Of 500 because such
records were not legal The illegal
ity Of the records was the only iusrif-
cation the County Board had in refus-
inc to pay. If this bin had passed
making these records legal that JUS
LITIGATION would have been taken away
and under the provisions Of the stat
utes giving fees to the register for
legal recording the eouslty could have
been called upon to pay.
This bill, born Of the travail Of Mr.
Mcdonald and his friends, passed
the assembly easily by the steering Of
Mr.. Mcdonald When il reached the
senate t struck snag There, says
Mr.. Mcdonald. it ..was permitted to
die natural death. In another col
umn Of the Times-Review it is said:
'McDonald's billlegalizing the Grant
County records Of births. deaths and
marriages was killed in the senate. .
Both statements are correct. The
natural death Of such a thing is to
kill it, JUNIUs.
Grant County herald. [volume] (Lancaster, Wis.) 1850-1968, 1897-04-01
Gun hrnett HccldentaIlu Shot.

Mention was made iii last weeks
HERALD Of Mrsr A . W Arnett being
called home to North Platte, Nebras-
ka. while visiting the family 81 Coun-
ty Clerk Dickinson in Lancaster, by
telegram announcing the sudden i'll
ness 81 Ills son On arriving home
she found that her son Guy Arnett,
aged Is wears bad been dangerously
shot by neighbours bow The two
boys were driving cattle and had with
them revolver. They had shot off
all the chambers Of the revolver ex-
cepting one, which would not GO off.
The boy with the revolver VA, riding
behind Guy and kept swapping the
hammer down upon the cartridge that
refused to explode Finally and un-
expeetediy, after great deal 81
pounding, it did 20 of and the ball
struck Guy Anett square inzthc cen
ter OF the back Surgeons could not
find the bullet BIZ probing aud came
to the conclusion that the boy would
die. According a telegram was sent
by the family to his mother here
Contrary to expectations the boy still
lives and may recover. 1t is thought
that the bullet may have follow
ed around rib and not inflicted NOR
tai injury as he seems to be growing
better Mrs. Arnett is a sister Of
Mrs. Dickinson
Grant County herald. [volume] (Lancaster, Wis.) 1850-1968, 1897-04-01
4 Constitutional hmRndment.

As viii be seen ~ consulting the
election notice given il another coll
umn there is a constitutional amend
ment t. be voted for thi. spring. The
first part Of it Applies only 10 the
county OF Milwaukee. The proposed
amendment is az follows:
''For each circuit there Shall be
chosen BY the qualified electors there
Of, one circuit Judge, except that III
any circuit composed Of one county
only, which county shall contain a
population according to the last state
or Z. S. census, Of 100, 900 inhabitants
Of over. the legislature may, from
time to time, authorize additional
circuit JUDGES to be chosen. Every
circuit Judge shall reside in the cir
cult from which he is elected. and
shall hold his Office for such term and
receive such compensation as the leg
islature shall prescribe"
Grant County herald. [volume] (Lancaster, Wis.) 1850-1968, 1897-04-01
Mr.. Mcdonald And his Friends. !"

EDITOR or THE HEkALp:-I read
with interest what was sand ia the
last HERALD and Teller concerning the
bin introduced by the Hon. Thos Nc
Donald to legalze tue records Of
births, marriages and deaths in the
Grant County Registers office. and
after considering All that was said the
query with me was, "How came tins
bin to be introduced?" While pom
dering upon this question the Times
Review came to my hands and found
at the top Of the first column a com
munication from our assemblyman.
dated Madison. March 23d, which put
my questioning at rest. In that he
says The bill was framed at the sug-
gestion of my friends" Mark you,
the bill was not suggested by the
County Board, which in such matters
should have the initiative. but by my
friends" What friends? Was the
last register Of deeds one of them?
And what object had the friends in
having this bill become a LAVE Men
do not act without a motive, and this
rule applies to Mr.. Mcdonald and his
friends. So they had some purpose
in asking the legislature to declare
1apal tho varioc+ MACS rs 4,o-L a..
was ever put on record anywhere. and
for which our last County Board was
asked to allow some 300. which they
promptly refused to do because these
records were absurd upon their faces
and illegal. Ii the certificates record
ed had been legal, the Board would
have been compelled by the statute to
allow the registers claims. 1t would
have had no discretion in the matter.
This bill of Mr. McDonald's had it be-
come law would have made these
records legal. Being thus made legal
why should not the county pay the
eX-register for his work in recording
these certificates? The legisla. ure
having sanctioned the work, would it
be honest for the County Board to re-
fuse TO pay for it? Would not the en-
actment OF this bill have placed upon
this county a legal liability to pay the
eN-register for this recording? If the
recording mad been lawful when the
register did it, he could have exacted
pay, and the legislature by enactlng
this bin into a law wouls have de-
clared that it was now lawful. and
that being done there is no principle
in law or reason that should prevent
the register who did the work from
requiring the legal compensation for
it. Anything done, although not at
a time binding, when ratified becomes
obligatory. We see then the object
the friends" had in the passage Of
this bill. and if Mr.. Mcdonald did not
see it he is too dull to be trusted in
the legislature.
But in his communication to the
Times-Review Mr.. Mcdonald quotes
the second section OF his bin to show
that the county would not be liable to
pay the ex-register for this recording.
Let Us examine this section moment
The material part Of it reads: Moth
ing herein shall be construed as max
ing the county Of Grant liable for fees
q compensation" etc. This provi-
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NUMBER s
SUICIDE HT PRTCH GROVE,

Miss Alice Key Hangs Herself In Her own
Home.
The people Of Patch Grove we're
shocked last Saturday morning at the
news Of another tragic suicide. The
body OF Miss Alice Key was found in
her own home hanging by the neck.
Life had been extinct fer several hours
and the awful deed was plainly one Of
self destruction Miss Key was a
woman Of about 80 years OF AGE and
n ed alone IN the village Of Patch
Gron Her brother, Scott Key. made
his hon. with her when in Patch
Grove but vas away much Of the
time. She eaened her living sewing.
paper hanging and by other forms of
labor among her neighbors.
She was Of a very nervous. high
strung disposition and had at times
been thought to be slightly insane
Her brother Scott year ago last June
was sent to Mendoza ASYLUM for a
short time and her father. Scott Key,
IN 9 IT Of temporary insanity killed
himself by cutting his throat at the
same time. This girl Alice found her
fathers body and was greatly affected
by it,
Last Friday she was greatly excited
and in highly nervous condition.
She told W. f Lewis and others that
her brother Scott was crazy again.
that she was afraid .of him sand that
he had two razors secreted to Kin her
with.
The neighbors advised her not to
stay alone but to remain that night
ct the home Of Mr.. and Mrs. Robert
son. which she agreed to 10.
Sire rot restless during the evening
and insisted on going home to lock
up. Nh and Mrs. Robertson followed
her some time later. but finding the
house quiet and dark. concluded she
had retired and returned home. In
the morning they returned, accompa-
MED by Mr.. Jones, aud finding the
door still locked. broke Into the house.
Her lifeless form was hanging in the
stairway, her feet resting on the
stairs. The rope around her neck
was fastened to a board, which Law
across the stairs. She had evidently
died Of stragulation as the rope was
long enough TO permit her feet to rest
on the stairs. A razor lay on the
stairs in front of her.
The body was at once taken in
charge BY the authorities aud cor
oners inquest held
The jurors We're w +. Lewis. fore
man. j. W. Bdwell A. W. Curtis,
John Anderson. John Jones, Ed. Rob
ertson. The inquest was conducted
by J. A. Davis, justice of the peace.
The verdict was that Alice Kew came
to her death by hanging by rope and
that the act was committed by herself
while temporarily insane.
The funeral was held Sunday after
noon at o'clock.
Two letters were found. one proba-
bly, written Friday evening, the other
some weeks previous. Neither seem
ed to throw much light on the cause
Of the suicide, dealing mainly with
trifling business mates but discon-
nected and almost anintelligible
Grant County herald. [volume] (Lancaster, Wis.) 1850-1968, 1897-04-01

charging the duties Of the office.
You, Mr.. Editor, | feel assured will
agree with me III this,
Yours very truly.
). Ii. TAYLOR.
The daily morning journal and courier., 1897-11-30
THE TIVENJ'Y-NINE.

The great game nowadays is to con-
 struct a "society" or "order" that
 everybody can't get into. The latest is "The Order of the Twenty-Nine,"
 which consists of only those whose de- scent from the Mayflower band can actually be proved by the records of the New England genealogical society. The name "Twenty-Nine" Is taken be- cause there are said to be only twenty nine families in New England that can rightfully claim this pedigree. The heads" of the twenty-nine are set down as follows: Joseph Alsops of New Haven, Ct, Samuel Appleton of Ipswich, Thomas Broughton of Boston Obediah Bruen of New London, Ct, Rev. Peter Bulkley of Concord, Rev. Charles Chauncey of Cambridge, Leon- ard Chester of Wethersfield, Ct, Rev, John Davenport of New Haven, Hum- phrey Davie of Boston. John Drake If Boston, Edmund Fawlner of Andover. George Fenwick of Saybrook, Ct., Will liam Gayer of Nantucket. William Hanbury of Boston, Roger Harlaken- den of Cambridge, John Hunlock of Boston, William Jeffrey of Newport, R. l., William Leete of Guilford, Ct., Per cival Lowe of Newbury, Edward Palmes of New Haven, Herbert Pelham of Cambridge, Samuel Penhallow of Portsmouth, N. H., David Phippen of Hingham, Richard Salstonstall of Wa tertown, William Smelling of Boston, Samuel symonds of Ipswich, John Thorndyke of Beverly, George Wyllys of Hartford, Ct., and John Winthrop of Boston.
 Of course this Is a very unsatisfac- tory list to those of us who do not figure in it, but it must be immensely pleasing to those who do. To be a. member of one of twenty-nine families or human beings is a noble fate, and the only thing that we can now think of that Hays over' it is to be a mem. Der of one of twenty-eight. By and by there is going to be very exclusive society or order, and those who wait can have their crow then. It will con- sist of those who don't claim anything and haven't joined anything.