The Saint Paul globe. (St. Paul, Minn.) 1896-1905, 1897-04-27
BADLY HE FEELS AT HIS OFF,
GERS ACTION
IN MAKING SATURDAYS RAID.
PROMISES HE WILL OFFICIALLY
INVESTIGATE THE ACTION OF
THE RAIDERS
the IndiEnity Cannot Be Wiped
Out With RegretA

having a conference when a reporter
for the Glob called at the mayors
office yesterday afternoon. ANY new
orders regarding the concert hall or
saloons issued today, mayor2" was
asked.
None that I know Of" replied his
honor. II have not read the G 10 e
today, but I understand from a person
who was present at the interview the
G l o had with Mr.. Heckler that his
statements were terribly garbled and
did not appear in the paper as he
gave them
well, you can tell about the re-
spectacle character Of the women that
were arrested" said Chief Goss, break
ing into the conversation, when Judge
Twohy said they had been before him
so many times that he was forced to
line all Of them"
Did the judge say that?" queried
the mayor.
"Well. he didn't say exactly those
words" replied Chief Goss, but he
fined all of them SIS, and 1 understand
from Oppenheim that several OF the
women have been up in the police
court four or five times while he was
prosecuting attorney"
what does Babe say about the mat
ter?" asked the mayor, turning to
Chief Goss.
81 have not seen the lieutenant to
talk with him about it, said the chief.
'but I understand that Heckler does
not feel half as bad about the mat
ter as is reported. You see the thing
was explained to him, and If some
of his friends had not kept kidding
him about it there would have been
nothing to it. He is all right now,
though, and it's a good thing for his
place to have that class Of women kept
out of there"
Mr.. Heckler told a very different
story. He said the interview had not
been garbled in the least Mr.. Heckler
was invited to an audience with the
mayor yesterday, but in his indigna-
ton at the treatment accorded him, did
not bring himself to accept the invita-
ton until late in the afternoon. What
passed between Mayor DOran and Mr..
Heckler is not known. save from the
statement made by the latter to re-
porter for the G. o b e last evening.
Said Mr.. Heckler:
when l called upon Mayor Doran
he assured me that he knew nothing
of the raid upon my place, and stated
that it had not come about by any
special order. He could not understand
the action Of the police, he said, and
declared that he heartily regretted their
course. The raid, said the mayor, must
certainly have been made by Lieut..
Babe, Sergeant Ross and Officer Perro
upon their own responsibility, and their
action, he said, would be officially in
vestigated. His sympathy for me in
the damage done my business and the
humiliation to which l had been sub
jected, the mayor said, would move
him to such course, and he assured
me that the matter would be properly
and satisfactorily adjusted. How this
can be accomplished when the stain has
already been put upon my reputation
and injury done my business, l do not
know"
Notwithstanding the effort Of Chief
GOSs to Jolly" the mayor into the be-
lief that Mr.. Heckler does not feel half
so bad about the matter as is reported"
and that "if his friends had not kidded''
him about it, there would have been
nothing to the raid, Mr.. Heckler has
in no way recovered from the shock of
the action Of the police, whose testi-
mCny in the trial Of the case in court
he brands as untrue, and which has
only served to increase his Indignation.
Speaking on this phase of the matter,
Mr.. Heckler said last evening:
The course of the police in court Is
an outrage put upon me for the pur-
pose of indicating themselves, and
brand the testimony regarding any dis
| order or bOisterous conduct in my
place Saturday night as false. l under
%Io~A
there was noise in the saloon, which
could have been heard block distant.
Had | been in court [ could not have
restrained myself from accusing him
Of telling what was not true in the
face of the judge. The reason 1 was
not present at the trial was because I
do not wish the public to understand
me as protecting persons whose char
acters are evil. l do not cater to this
class of trade at my saloon, and have
nothing in common with such indiVid-
ualS My friends are DESTROYS of my
going to the bottom Of this affair, and
| if 1 can persuade the gentlemen who
were in the room with those women to
allow me to use their names 1 will
most certainly do so in order to refute
the charges of the police. Their treat
ment of me was an outrage, and only
my complete prOstration by the blow
has delayed me in endeaVOring to OBJ
tain a full explanation of it, l live
over the saloon. My home Is given a
bad name, as well as my place of bust
ness, and my wife put to shame When
1 think that 1 have so many times,
as personal favor, asked both
Lieut.. Babe and Officer Perro, to
! pass through my place during the even
ing, and if they found either men or
women Of bad character in the saloon,
to inform me Of it and I would put
them out the injustice which has been
done me appears doubled"
When the cases of the women came
up yesterday each officer who took part
in the raid said there was loud talking,
hilarious laughter, and that the women
were acting disorderly. On the strength
Of this testimony Judge Twohy fined
each one SIS.
In passing upon the cases Judge
Twohy said that he did not consider
himself warranted in taking the po-
sition that women could not frequent
saloons, not even If they were of known
ill-repute In fact, the court stated
women could not be deprived of the
same privileges with regard to visiting
saloons as were allowed men, but il
was a question, he said, whether or
rot women Of questionable character
should be permitted to habitually rem
devious at saloons to remain there an
indefinite time. He did not feel, Judge
Twohy said, like assuming the respon-
sibility of declaring that such extreme
! latitude should be given women, though
| there was no doubt in the mind Of the
! court that a respectable woman could
enter a saloon and not be subjected TO
! arrest, as long as she kept within the
restrictions Of the law regarding her
! conduct.
COL. SAM PLEADED,