The San Francisco call., 1897-09-24
They Claim to Have Seen
Mrs. Luetgert Alive
May 3 and 4.
This Is After the Time She Is
Said to Have Been
Killed.
Attorney Vincent Charges the Po-
Ice With Atte m pting to lntiml-
date Witnesses.

CHICAGO, Ill, Sept 23-Viewed from
various standpoints, to-day's proceedings
in the Luetgert murder tria. were the
most remarkable that have occurred
within three weeks. In the face of the
sensational circumstantjaI evidence that
has been produced to prove that Mrs.
Louise Luetgert met death in her hus-
bands sausage factory on May 1 three
witnes es testified to-day that they saw
the woman alive on May and 4. One of
those witnesses talked to her and believes
from q description and a photograph OF
Mrs. Luetgert that the woman he saw was
Mrs. Luetger THIS witness was Matt J.
ShoIey, a barkeeper at the Hotel Maple,
Kenosha, Wis. He said he saw strange
woman at the Hotel Maple on the even
ing of May 8. He talked with her nearly
ten minutes. She asked 10 be directed 10
the farm of one Muelle in the neighbor-
hood, but as no one seemed to know OF
such person the woman left. The fol-
lowing day Sholev again saw the woman.
He described her general appearance and
her clothing and identified photograph
Of Mrs. luetgert as the woman.
On cross-examination by States Attor-
ney Deneen, the witness at first placed her
weight at 130 or 140 pounds. Then he
hesitated-said he had got mixed up
and remarked that the woman weighed
115 to 118 pounds, which was about Mrs.
Luetgert's weight. This hesitation and
correction was made much of by the
prosecution, which intimated that it in
dicated that Sholey had forgotten the
weight that had been probably told him
at first.
Policeman Henry Feldshaw of Keno
sha, Wis, testified that be saw a strange
woman in the police station of his town
May 3. The witness said he afterward
saw the woman at the Hotel Maple, and
the following day at the railway station.
He described the woman as blonde, and
sad sne wore q sailor hat and slippers.
One of the slippers she had worn was
found in the police station after she had
left. The witness identified the picture
of Mrs. Luetgert as closely resem blin &
the woman he saw.
William Gunsten, a clerk in the Grant
Hotel, Kenosha, identified the photo
graph as the picture Of woman he saw
in his hotel on May 8 He said ne came
into the hotel and remained Ten minutes
and left. He described the woman ana
corfoborated the evience of the other wit
nesses.
Emma Schimpke came to the courtroom
in the afternoon to hear Rose GIeich i'm
peach her evidence given on Wednesday.
She was fighting mad when she heard
herself made out a falsitier. Attorney
Pnalen discovered her presence in the
room and called her to the witness-stand.
When asked if she had told Rosa Gleich
she had lied on the wltness-stand the wiz
ness replied, Il don't remember"
Did you not tell Harry Fiedler you
lied when you said you saw Mr.. and Mrs.
Luetgert May 1?'
Il don't remem ber."
"Did you not tell Rosa Gleich you did
see Mr.. and Mrs. Luetgert the night OF
May 1?'
u may have said So"
Mrs. Matte Scherrer, the last witness OF
the day, testified positively that Emma
Schimpke told her that the testimony
she herself had given on the witness
stand was untrue.
The trial opened to-day with a sensa-
tional statement from ex-Judge Vincent
that the police were intimidating the wit
nesses for the defense. Vincent asked
that the jury be excluded while he made
a statement. After the jury had retired
Vincent, with indignation IN his tones
and iorce III his declaration, said:
IF the court please. there is strong rea-
son to believe th at the police are interfer-
ing with witnesses for the defense and try
ing to intimidate them. do not know
absolutely that this is true, but the indi-
cations point almost directly to that con-
clusion. i desire an order OF court pro-
hibiting such action on the part of the
police or the prosecution"
"Why not make the injunction cover
both sides?" suggested States Attorney
Deneen.
THE court does not require instruc-
hons from any OF the attorneys engaged"
shaply responded Judge Tuthlll.
II will make the charge that witnesses
for the defense have on interiered with
and harassed by the police" said Attor-
ney Phalen of the defense.
"If that is true there should be an in
vestigation," remarked States Attorney
Deneen. 'If any witness for the defense
has been intimidated it has been done
without the knowledge of the State and
we DO not approve OF II"
Il will say now, for the benefit of the
police" said Judge Tuthill, with severity
IN his tones, "that il l hear of any inter-
ference with witnesses on either side in
this case / viii deal with the offender, and
my dealing will not be gentle. This de-
fendant has rights here and they will be
protected"
"Why not order an investigation -
queried States Attorney Deneen.
Mr.. Deneen, this court VIII make the
order it deems proper. That will do"
When the jury was recalled Roda Gleich
was placed on the witness-stand for cross.
examination.