The times., 1897-06-25
He Wants Protection for Senat-
ors from Willy Lobbyists.
HANNA'S RECENT JTTERANCE
1t Gets Into the Record and Incl
deutally Causes senatorial Mirth.
Scatning Arraignnent OF the Lar
1ff Bill in General and the Wool
Schedule in Particular.


the Eatty Senator from Maine that ne
and all other other honest Senators be
protected from the guile and wiles of
gentlemen who learned the arts of the
lobbyist during their terms as upHed
States Senators. The naive arguments
on this question by Senator Hale and the
equally naive question of Senator Haw-
ley, indicating that If Mr. Hale knew
ANYTHING about ex-Senators lobbying he
ought TO tell about it, amused the gal
leries. Mr.. Hale's amendment practically
is that If any ex-senator talks loud enough
In the Senate chamber TO be overheard
lobbying with any active Senator, tie
former will be or ought to be elected by
the sergeant-at-arms. How effective the
amendment viii be, even If passed, may
be learned from that consideration
Some years ago Mr.. Allen introduced
a resolution which would have prevented
the seduction of any Senator from the
straight path which leads through the
needles eye gate, by providing tnat the
beguilers and seducers be kept away from
the Capitol altogether. Thls was not
considered, possibly because 1T was
reflection on the will power of Senators
Now, however, that all legislation has
been put in shape, and the lobbyists have
finished their business preparatory TO
leaving town for the summer resorts, Mr..
Hale introduces his startling amendment
Another feature of the proceedings was
the attack MI Gray made on the wool
growers of Wyoming, and the reply Of MI
Warren, of that State.
PERHAPS tile most convincing part OF the
debate was the arguments OF Messrs. Jones,
of kansas, Vest and Gray, showing that
manufacturers had SO managed the bill
that they will receive compensation for
tariffs which they will not pay, and that
In other cases these manufacturers viii re-
ceive compensation for mixed fabrics which
may be nine-tenths cotton on an all Wool
basis.
The Republicans said but a few words
yesterday Mr Hoar had been suppressed.
He ventured to ask Mr.. Gray question.
MI GRAY asked him to repeat 1t, but Mr.
Hoar declined, SO Mr.. Gray had TO let
IL pass.
The proceedings opened with the Hale
amen dment, seeking to exclude ex-sena-
torial lobbyists from the floor.
Mr.. Hale, after stating the amendment,
said: 1T seeks TO provide that ex-Sena-
tors shall not abuse their privileges; or, in
other words, To lobby with members of the
Senate Ii has never been necessary until
now toinvoke the aid OF any rule such as
have Indicated, or the extension of the
limitations of the present rules. The
House Of representatives has had for years
such rule as is comprehend I'd in the amend
hsr- fffad
features substantially in the amendment
which is urged here.
''It is, of course, matter of pleasure
and satisfaction for us TO renew acquaint-
ance and associations with gentlemen who
have been me members of this body; but do
not think it compatible with the self-re-
spect and dignity of this body that the
privileges of the floor be used for the pur-
pose of urging or opposing the passage CT
measures before the Senate by gentlemen
who have been members of the body. II
there are no such gentlemen, the amend
ment W i'll not apply TO anybody and will do
DO harm. l am afraid, however, that the
time has come when such a rule is needed"
Mr.. Hawley desired to know how the
amendment would be applied
Mr. Hale said that he had not indicated
the exact form in W hich it could be done;
"but," said he, II think / have seen
enough to justify me in calling the atten-
ton OF the Senate to the matter, and that
the amendment be referred To the Commit
tee on Rules
Mr. Alien wished TO know W hat had re-
Gently taken place to call for this amend
ment.
Mr.. Hale-I hope the gentleman from Ne
braska will not ask me that.
Mr.. Alien then proceeded to show that
the amendment had been thought to be
necessary long ago. Three years ago, -
he said, Il had bill referred to the Com
mittee on Judiciary, making it a crime,
punishable by imprisonment in the peniten-
tiary for any one to ply the vocation of a
lobbyist" Mr.. Allen called attention to
the fact that at that time there was going
on the railroad pooling bin and it could
not escape the attention OF the Senate that
lobbying was going on in the preparation
OF tariff bills.
Mr.. Hale said he was notin favor of such
a drastic measure as that proposed by Mr..
Allen. He had ratherin view calling the at
tention ofthe Senate to the wrong, and hav-
Ing it remedled. All Senators, he believed,
were opposed to the opportunities of the
lobby. Il think / will be borne out by
Senators when 1 say that these impoT-
tunities, whether on the floor or elsewhere,
are of no aNailin theinterest of any claim.
The Senator from Nebraska himself will
admit that"
Mr.. white-Win 1t not be found in prac-
tice very difficult matter to limit the
character OF the conversation of eX-Sena-
49, 49,
practice referred 10 by the Senator from
Maine is very reprehensible, but 1 don't
think 1T will be overcome by any legislative
method.
Mr.. Hale Well, let the means be Ie-
ferred TO the Committee on Rules 1 don t
think it will be denied that the practice
is offensive to Senators.
NJ. Allen said that there was no doubt of
the presence of many lobbyists .'We can't
go out here into the corridors at any time
when the Senate Is in session without run
ming up against an army of them They
haunt these halls and galleries. l would
exclude them not only from the Capitol
building, but from the Capitol grounds -
The amendment was referred to the
Committee on Rules
The routine business in the Senate to-
day, after Mr.. Hale's lobbyist resolution
had been referred, was very brief, in
cluding few resolutions and petitions.
Mr.. White asked to have reprinted a
document relating to Hawaii, with special
reference to the last census of the islands
Mr.. Vest desired to know from Mr.. ALI
son in what order the schedules would be
considered.
Mr. Allison said that after the wool sched-
ule would come the silk, and then the to-
hacco.