The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1897-02-13
Unless a Vote Is Reached To-Day on
the Arbitration Agreement 1t VIII
Go Over Till March q.
ANNOUNCEMENT BY SHERMAN
SPEECHES BY HOAR, LODGE, CHAND-
LER, DANIEL AND OTHERS.
Statement Made by Liliuolxalani's
Courier that Hawaii's Ex-Queen
Did Not Legally Abdicate.

WASHINGTON, Feb. 1.-THE feature of
to-day's discussion of the Anglo-American
arbitration treaty by the Senate was the
general effort TO reach basis of agreement
whereby the treaty could be disposed of
and other business taken up. The session
closed with an announcement by Senator
Sherman, chairman of the foreign commit
tee, that he would issue a call for meet
ing of his committee 70 be held previous to
to-morrow's session of the Senate with the
hope of being abe to present an amendment
that would be 80 acceptable to the Senate
as TO make II p)ssible to secure the ratifi-
cation of the treaty before adjournment to-
morrow. He also announced that he would
not ask the Senate to devote more than
one more day TO the question this session.
This announcement had been preceded by
a debate, in which large number of sena-
tors had participated, lasting from 1 until
o'clock. There were several speeches on
the merits of the treaty as such, but these
were interspersed through the entire pro-
Ceedings with suggestions looking to the
Importance of speedily disposing of the
treaty either temporarily permanently, by
agreeing to postponement until the extra
session or by a direct vote on the document,
which would result either in it's ratification
or rejection. The suggestion which ap-
peared to meet with the most general favor
was one looking TO the postponement of
further consideration until Immediately
after the 4th of March. and the prediction
was freely made after adjournment to-
night that this would be the outcome.
There were innumerable short speeches
during the day. but the principal addresses
on the merits of the treaty were made by
Senator's Daniel Stewart, Hoar, Lodge and
Chandler. The proposition advanced yes
terday by Senator Turpie that any negotia-
ton under the treaty would under it's
terms. necessarily be submitted to the Sem
ate just as would any original treaty
formed the basis of to-days proceedings
1t was generally conceded by ali those who
spoke that If there could be any assurance
that this Interpretation would be placed on
the treaty If accepted there would be no
especial opposition to its ratification. Sena-
tor Turpie commended that no other position
was possible in view of the indisputable fact
that the Senate was part OF the treaty.
making power of the United States.
Senator Daniel. however, took an opposite
view, as did Senator Chandler and most of
the other senator's who spoke. Senator
Daniel made an elaborate argument, TAX
ing a view radically different from that adj
vanced by the Indiana senator and showing
that from his point OF view the government
of the United States would. by the accept
ance of the treaty, place itself in q posi-
ton TO make this country subordinate to
England in many important respects. He
held with Senator Morgan that the Senate.
in accepting the treaty, would voluntarily
delegate TO another authority its share in
the treaty-making power, and cOntended
that it could not legitimately do this under
the Constitution.
Senator Hoar's speech was a classical
presentation OF the merits OF the general
subject of arbitration and strong plea
for the recognition of the principle. The
final ratification of an agreement for the
settlement of all disputes by resort to a
tribunal of peace between the two great
English-speaking nations would, he said,
be a splendid example TO the world at
large and would he believed, tend to make
arbitration general among civilized ma
lions. 1t would at least be entering
wedge He said that he had been willing
to accept the treaty as reported by the COM
mittee, but If it could be further amended
completely destroying its effect he would
be willing that this course should be taken.
Senator Chandler announced himself as
for the treaty If eamended; as opposed to
ii If not amended. and favorable to a
postponement until the 9th of March, He
urged that the Senate could best consider
the treaty during the special executive SeS-
sion Immediately following the Inaugural
ton of Mr.. Mckinley when ii would other
wise have nothing to do except TO pass
upon nominations. He urged the treaty was
too important question to be disposed
of hastily and called attention to the fact
that the Senate had held the Russian ex-
tradition treaty for year before acting
upon Ii.
Senator Lodge said that his interest in
the treaty was such and that he was SO
anxious 10 secure its adoption that he
would agree to any change in reason that
would insure its acceptance. He would, he
said, accept any amendment that might
afford a better safeguard for the rights of
this country than the treaty is now sup
posed to contain or that might explain its
amendment could be formulated which.
while maintaining the integrity of the doc
ument. would still render it acceptable to
Senator Elkins urged that the whole
question should be postponed until the next
session. Speeches were also made by Sena-
tors Vest, Villas, Stewart, Blackburn and
others.
The talk of postponement and of the
necessity for amendment had the effect of
was just before the adjournment Of the
Senate He said that he would ask the
Senate to consider the treaty tomorrow
and that If no conclusion vas reached he
would not ask further time. but would al
low the treaty to be postponed for this SEES
sion. He added that the committee on for
eign relations would tomorrow report an
amendment covering all points and max
ing the treaty clear of antiquities. which
he believed would answer all objections.
In other words, said Senator Hill, 1.-The
senator from Ohio means to notify the OPP
ponents of the treaty that if they hold out
another day he will not further press the
treaty. but will allow IL to go over
Without u Reputation OF this interpreta-
ton of his statement Senator Sherman al
lowed the Senate to adjourn.
An amendment suggested, which seemed
to meet with general favor provides for
the insertion of the words "and TO the
acceptance of the treatymaking powers OF
the two governments" after the word
treaty in the third line of the first article
of the treaty. This amendment, ii Is
claimed. would render it necessary to Sc
cure the approval of the Senate to any
negotiations and thus avoid the objection
that the Senate had arrogated its power.
STILL QUEEN OF HAWAII.