The times., 1897-07-14

vessel there. The fact is I'VE are afraid"
We don't want to offend Spain Or bring
on war, and yet war wouldn't hurt
us. If all that is SO, what do we want
ships for?
The last administration did not believe
in sending any ships where they would
get into trouble. Laughterl. They Were
sdst rs dangerous lately on the stocks rs
they were on the sea. lie wouldn't be
held up by the Carnegie Company If the
ships went unarmoTed forever"
Mr.. Teller said that the Illinois Com
paHy was simply forced to put in im-
possible terms, under fear of being dis
ciplincd by the two ether companies At
least, that statement was made in the
newspapers. Mr.. Teller didn't believe
that Great Britain was anxious TO fight
us. Spain, OF course, might raise a little
-Ow, but if we needed more ships we could
buy them, and juStas good as any we have
now.
Mr.. Allen commented on the spectacle Of
a great sovereign Government being held
up by two companies, and said that it
demonstrated conclusively that the GOV
ernment needed plant OF its own.
n Allen denounced our Navy as dis
grace to the nation. Accidents were daily
happenings. OF these, Mr.. Allen submit
ted a list furnished d b. the Secretary Of the
Navy. He doubtedif we had a vesse! today
capable or going into action with II INST
class European battleship He Thought
that the old-time iron clads would be bet
ter than vessels that were always sink
ing and going ashore. There was 40 dan
ger or war as long rs the financial inter
ests OF England and America are like the
Siamese twins There was no cause for
the talk d year ago about building forts
and great guns and great Navy and an
increase of the Army. 1t was only "a
scheme to oveTawe an honest people Mr..
Allen remarked in passing that Mr.. Hale
was very eloquent and pathetic when
talking about the loss of these battle
ships, but he hadn't word to say
when propositions in favor OF laboring men
and farmers were being discussed. MI
Allen criticised severely the business meth
DDS of the Government, in making the
contract without making arrangements
for the price of the armor plate.
MI Jones raised the pointof order against
the amendment, that it involved general
legislation, and besides violates all the
provisions OF rule 16.
Mr. Jones Withdrew his point Of order
In order to allow a vote on Mr.. Butler 8
amendment to reduce the price to $500
from $425. The amendment was carried
on a viva voce vote, $500 being the price
by existing law.
Mt. Butler, in lieu of his other amend
ment, offered one to the effect that TIE
Secretary inyesti gate and report To Con-
grcss at the next session on the PROPOSE
ton that the Government establish armor
plate factories on its own account. This
amendment was agreed to
Mr. Pasco moved to insert in the bill
the $4,000 for the improvement OF Cum
berland Sound Carried.
Mr Hale said that it was apparent that
q vote of the Senate would be necessary
as an instruction ON this matter when ii
went to conference. Mr.. Hale intlma1 ed
that he would like the Senate to finish
the bill last night so that the Senate could
adjourn over for few days. The sug-
gcStion was not agreed to
Tie bill was then passed, Mr. Jones. of
Arkansas, having secured an agreement
from Mt Hale that the defeated arInor
plate prices would not be considered in
the conference on the bill
The Senate, after a short executive ses-
sion, adjourned until 2 m today.