The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1897-02-19

! take that, may have use for it again
| He took it and L said Mr. Hook, for
| didn't call him Lowe, for didn't know
| his name at that time but 1 says what
do you use that hook for and he told
| me that they simply opened part of the
| grave at the head and opened the box
| and took the hook to haul the corpse
| out.
Odd he tell you anything about
| removing any body?
A-NO.
Odd he say what they did with
i the clothes?
A-Yes I don't know but I said
| something about the odor from the
| grave. he said it was easy. enough to get
rid of that if you took the clothes off
| the body and strip it, the odor will al
ways letave the body so you can handle
it
Q.-Now, I will ask you if anything
| was anything in this conversa-
ton whether he had been engaged in
| the business before?
| Ayes. he had been in the business
, before for sometime, he said to me in
| the same conversations guess press
cd him so he had to answer it; anyway
! he did answer it-that he had been in
| the business long enough that a man
| had to be pretty sleek to catch him. /
| said you have followed it before you
came here; he said, YES I have, been at
| it for ten or fifteen years.
Q-Did he say what he did with the
| bodies?
Al don't believe he did. The first
| time when he spoke about the business
s.
secting timber I didn't ask him and
don't think he told me where he took
! them.
Q-Now. was there anything said
| about the pauper cemetery there?
Ayes
Q-What?
| AIT the time I gave him the hook
and he spoke about his business he said
he would show me where there were
graves that 1 could use. 1 says I don't
want to use them any more. He said he
would take me and show me where
were graves now that I could use I
said don't want to use them You said
you left the boxes and the clothes there
don't want to know where it is
ross-examined by Mr.. Campbell:
Q-What has been your business for
the last year?
Attaining.
Q-What has been your business for
the last five years?
Al have done several things.
Q-What makes you think it was 1893
that you first saw this man-what at
tracted your attention?
A-The reason know is when Lowe
was arrested I did not know his name
! afterwards read a description of him
Q-You have seen hundreds pass. have
you not?
Ayes
Q-Do you always know when you see
a man the second time where you have
seen him the first time?
A-No.
@-I on nave studied this out since
A-No, sir; it came very quick to my
mind
Q-There was a reward offered, was
A-Not that I know Of
Q-You would not take a reward,
would you?
Ayes. would. guess, as quick as
,Q-You talked with John wilkerson
about it?
Ayes; he came to get me to identify
Q-Now, about the third time, there
was nothing to arouse any sus picion,
was there?
A-No, sir.
Q-How long did he stay?
About five minutes
Mr.. Campbell then asked witness as
to how Lowe was dressed a each time
he was seen by him, and witness could
not tell exactly how he was dressed at
any OF the times.
Q-NOw this fourth time was the time
he came to do business?
Ayes
Q-Now, this fourth time he saw you:
ne told you all about himself; he opened
ms heart to you and told you all the
crimes he had ever committed, and all
that sort of thing?
A-Well he led me to believe that was
his business l don't know that he told
me all about what he had done before?
Q-You had only seen him three times
before and only spoken two times?
A-XeS.
Q-YOu never told anyone about thie
till after he was arrested?
A-No, sir; he said he would not both
er anything on my side of the fence I'M
less l would consent, and I said 1 would
never consent.
Q-Now, about this fifth time-when
was it?
About year after
Q-This was the time when he told
you all about what he had done and
how he had done it?
A-Yes.
Q-Now. about this hook-what was it
like?
At was like a hay hook.
Q-Was it one?
Ayes
G-YOu have used hay hooks?
Q-You have one?
Ayes; two.
.Q-Yes, and so have I. and lots of
others. He showed you where there was
an empty grave?
Ale offered to.
Q-Hou were sexton?
Ayes
Q-This was in "a?
Ayes.
Q-This was in the pauper's field?
Q-You didn't see any profit in using
the same grave twice?
A-No.
Q-You never opened your head about
all this did you?
A-No
Allow Gid you come to open your
head about it?
A-Well. after loves arrest WfIker-
son came to see me
Q-Where did he see you?
Ale sent for me and I went to his
house.
Odd he ask you about Lowe espec-
tally?
Ale said they suspected this man
Lowe. and asked me if 1 knew anything
about him
Cup to this time you did not know
his name?
A-NO
Q-You had not inquired who this
man was, had you?
A-No.
Q-You had not found out his name?
A-No.
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