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The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17
ELKlNS' SUGGESTIONS

Fer Three Of the West Virginia ApPointS
naShtS-dr. GAinsG' Name May Go IN TOS
dAY-Ths GraFtou PoutSaiOs.
Special Dispatch TO the IntelIiEencer.
WASHINGTON. May 1s.-In saiur.
dny's Intelligeneer It was inadvertently
stated that the selections Of federal ap-
poIntees in West Virginia were made tbs
delegation in Congress or with It's ap,
proval. when as a matter Of fact TIE GuE.
geStions we're made by Senator EIkIns.
The custom Is that Republican senators
shall control the state appointments. the
representatives generally concedinE that
privilege. ana Senator EliSinS exercised
that right In naming the collector Of In
ternal revenue. the district attorney and
marghal. That his Recommendations
Will be approved by the President 10 not
questioned, although instances have oc-
CURED, Il Is said, in appointments for
other states, where President Mckinley
has been accorded the right to make Sc
lectlOns personally. Senator Elkins has
Indicated his choice in each case, 10
which II Is understood the representation
Will interpose no objections, but had they
been given the privilege of suggesting
been others recommended. 40 each would
naturally prefer TO have all the appoints
ments In his district.
There Is a Timor that the assist
ant district attorneys are held by the de-
pRrtment of justice 10 be under the pro-
lection OF civil service rules. Should this
be verified there may be a complication
OF affairs in every state in the Union. as
the opposite view b prevailant among
the congressman, ard Ia many instances
selection Of the AEsiBtantD have been
made.
The nomination OF Mr.. Gaines for the
district attorneyship will. It Is under
stood. be sent 20 the senate tomorrow.
Senator Elkins has been 50 advised.
Confirmation tomorrow Of Mr.. Holt8
nomination as postmaster of Grafton Is
also expected. The incumbent does not
object TO enforced retirement, It Is said.
but does not relish the prospect Of going
OFT under charges Mr.. Poe is under
stood TO be the present postmaster ct
Grafton under those conditions. HIS pre-
decessor and prospective successor was
dismissed fer alleged cause" and never
knew what cause. Mr.. Poe knows why
he was removed and was permitted 70
make a defense which proved to be in-
sufficient. yet he and his friends are ops
posing Mr.. Hoit'S confirmation.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17
THE GREEK ARMY.
Prince COnulantln Denies All Reports Of
ItS Weak Condition.

Prince C0nSiantlN DSRIsS All Reports Of
Its Weak Condition.
NEW YORK. May id-A dispatch to
the PreSS from Domokos says:
Crown Prince constan,ln said to-day:
81 wish to deny emphatIeally the SEN
sational reports nov current that the
army is starving and in want FOR lack of
rations.
I've have plenty of good. substantial
food and the soldiers are all imbued with
the best Of spirits and excellent health,
Notwithstanding untrustWorthy REPORTS
10 the contrary
There has been no pitched battle be-
tween the opposing armies up to the pres
ent time and many OF the younger OH
GERS and a majority OF the troops demand
n final battle before peace negotiations
are ended.
considering that our government
does not permit US to execute deserterB.
the actual number that has deserted It
extremely small.
Il wish TO deny positively that have
lost a single gun during the operations
against the Turks.
II believe that shall be able to hold
this place CDOmokos) with the army /
have at my command against double our
number Of Turks.
Il consider Domokoa the strongest
position We have held-far stronger for u
defense under modern conditions than
Thermopylae would be-and II am
beaten here do not favor making a
stand at that place"
The army is entirely in the dark as to
the present status OF the peace negotla-
tlnns
Wild rumors OF all sorts are current
among the troops, who are In a highly
nervous state. owing to their constant
expectation OF receiving an attack from
the Turks.
Edhem Pasha and his soldiers continue
TO rest on the plains, a full two hours
march from here.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17
AN ARKANSAS TRAGEDY.
A Deputy Sheriff Kills HetsI Keeper
without PrOVseatS0n.


without PrOVseatSon.
MEMPHIS, Tenn. May ls.-A little
Rock special to the Commercial Appeal
says: Deputy Sheriff Jesse F, Heard
shot and killed S. T. Blair at the IatteE's
place OF business ut $40 o'clock TO-
night. Blair. who was proprietor OF the
American stables on Louisiana street,
between Third and Fourth streets, was
sitting In chair on the sidewalk lean
Ing against the wall OF his building
when Heard approached him and asked
how many boArderB he had Blair was
counting on his fingers when Heard
pulled H-callbre pistol and hred three
iImes, each shot taking effect near the
heart. Blair sank back and dSed ten
minutes later Heard was taken 10 jail
and placed in the condemned cell.
Heard Is a despesate man and had
frequent shooting scrapcs In this state
and Mississippi. He killed a negro in
this city several years ago and prior to
his advent 10 Arkansas killed a man IN
Senatobla, Miss. When seen in jail to-
night he denied the shooting. saying he
knew nothing about II. notWithstand-
ing the testimony OF several people who
witnessed the shooting. Blair was
peaceful citizen and stood well In this
city where he has resided since 1859 he
was prominently connected with the
order OF Elks. Red Men and other CO.
cieeies. Intense excitement prevails to-
night In the vicinity OF the jail and
threats OF lynchlnE can be heard on all
sides Sheriff KaVanRugh has taken
extra precautions TO prevent the threats
being carried into execution.
Mysterious Mnrdsr.
SMITHS LAKE. MINI, May l6.-w.
T. Boxwell and his wife living in the
country near this place were murdered
and robbed OF EO0 about u O'Clock last
nIqht. The instrument of death was an
axe, which was found In the yard COW
cred with blood. There is no clew 10
the murderers,
one OF the wealthIest men in the county.
He was married short time ago, bis
Wlfo being but 10 years old.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17

TORONTO, ont, May lG.-Tralnmen
from all parts OF the United States and
Canada are arriving here TO attend tho
convention OF the Brotherhood OF Train
men. which opens In this city to-mor-
row morning. Fully 600 delegates are
already in the city and many more arc
expected tomorrow. The local mem
hers Of the different brOthGrhoods have
drawn up nn elaborate programme Tor
the entertainment NJ the visitors, Re
ceptions. balls bnnquets and eNcur-
RlOng to points Of interest VIII take up
the entire week. The convention II eN-
psctNd 10 last ten days or two weeks.
close on 10 . thousand delegates are eH-
pectcd 10 be present.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17
BLOODY BATrLEs
In which the GrsskI are worstsd and
Driven Baok.

In which the GrsskS are WOTStsh and
DrIVsm hack.
CoSsTANTINoPLE. May iG.-Tbe
council Of ministers met again to-day
and the sultan has ordered dlstrihu-
ton Of troops at various points along
The Salonica railway. Official dispatch
Is have been received from the COM
mahdaHt at Janlna. who says that n d.
vision Of the Greek forces apprOaChins
we town by narrow gorge from the
direction Of GremenlZn, charged the
heights Of Brlbora and Kokonaria. but
suffered heavily. losing 200 killed, while
on m" other side. the Greeks we're driv-
en- back upon ParhSkeYi. The COM
ihanlant states also that a fight has oc-
CURED M RumuZadcs. No further de-
A0lE are given, except that all these
thlue7 lasted until evening anG that the
imperial troops retained the position.
WIN the probability that lie Greeks viii
10 reinforced and the fighting rcnwed
On the morrow. No statement Ii made
bn 10 tho Turkish losses.
The Turkish hcommandcr at LaurOE tel
tFranhs under yesterdays date ns fol-
lows
The outcome Of deperatc, battle
,"'ing two days against q force Of li,-
W Hire"kS II that the latter have aban-
p"h'd m" position on tho heights they
'Nl previously captured and have
..lRlrhwn to the Olive groves OF Gre
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17

Special Dispatch to the IntelIlEencsr.
WASHINGTON, May l6-BoardS Of
examination surgeons under the pendon
utilee have been appointed at the follow
ing points:
Fourth congressional district-win-
field, Putnam county. A. Y. Martin. Jos.
eph Mayer, c. McGill; Spencer. Roan0
county-Ll A. RAIDER. J. NJ HenSley, John
B. Thompson: HuntingtOn-H. H Bran
erbury, a. j. Beardsley, !. r. LeSage:
Point PleAsant-41. A. BaTbae, Edward
McElfreSh, E. L. Gillian: Ritchie C. H.
pointed several days ago. IL composed OF
E. d. ]. Bond, W. H. Sharp, L. F. Kee-
ner
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17

LOUISVILLE, KY, May 1s,-Pres-
ton Thornton, a member Of one Of the
most prominent families in the state
and the south, lies at the home Of Mil
ton II. Smith. president OF the Louis
Vile & Nashville railroad, on Fourth
avenue, this city, suffering from a self
inflicted and possibly mortal bullet
wound in the chest. That he made an
attempt upon his life this afternoon In
the pRrlOr OF the Smith mansion 10
about all the Information obtninable as
TO the circumstances surrounding the
afiaiF, because Of the extreme reticence
OF all In any way connected with young
Thornton or the Smith family.
Soon after the shooting special train
was hurrledly sent to Lexington to
bring the family OF the wounded man 70
his bedside. His father is Col. r. H.
Thornton, OF Lexington. His grand
father was the late Gen. William Pres
ton. OF this state, and the wife Of Gen.
William Draper. OF Massachusetts
United States ambassador to Rome, Is
his aunt The family is well known
throughout he country Preston Thorn
ton Is about twenty-One years Of age.
ne II bulu 10 nuNt phlu heblauOu9 ~
tention for some time TO Miss Nettie
Bell Smith, the younger daughter Of M.
II. Smith. That tO-day'S hapenlng
resulted from the depressed mind Of an
unsuccessful Bultor is generally believ-
ed tonight Young Thornton's Condl-
tlOn is said to be critical
Late tonight statement was given
out by friend OF the Smith family, the
substance OF which Is as follows:
Mr.. Thornton has been for some time
engaged to be married to Miss
Nettie Bell Smith. daughter Of Milton
H. Smith. Recently the engagement
was broken OF. To-day Mr.. Thornton
called At the residence Of Mr. Smith and
after few moments conversation In a
his pocket and shot himself The ball
entered the body near the heart and the
WOund II DFnbahly fatal
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17

LONDON, May 1.-THE Daily Malls
correspondent at KephalosIs, under date
OF Friday, reports an Interview with
Gen. smolensh, whose headquarters are
At that point. close to the hills south OF
AImyros. n portion exceedingly difficult
TO take by assault.
Gen. Smolenskl believes that he can
hold his own, and Is stlll confident OF the
pluck OF his troops, which has already
been shown three times. He said; Il
intend to await the Turkish attack here
and not TO retire to Thermopylae unless
compelled 10 do 80"
Gen. Smolcnskl has ten thousand men
In his line. extending from Naklarl TO
the port OF AlmyTOs.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17

PREssBuRUG, Hungary, May l6-
The Emperor Francis Joseph, as the
King OF Hungary, arrived here to-day
to unvell the Maria Theresa monument.
Tho ceremony was performed in the
presence Of mn immense gathering
which included many uf the great mo-
bios Of the kingdom, and deputRtlons
from all the principal towns, lhr Ut
most enthusiasm was displayed, The
king went at he head Of procession !"
line hill where the farmer kings OF Hun.
gary were crowned This Is the site or
the monument, beautiful work ot art
The unvelllnE was followed by brief
speech by his majesty, who then receiN-
cd addresses from u large number OF
the delegation.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17

HpcClnI DINpaich TO Tho TnItITE0hrHT,
WASHINGTON, May i6.-Rep. Dow
ener was informed yesterday at the war
department that the bids rlr the con
-tructIon ~ the dams on the Mononga
hrll river above Morgantdwn had been
opencd but not schedulpd approved, II
wns stated that tho work would b. PIT
under contract at an early day and thai
work would begin July lsL
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17

Special Dispatch to the Intelligence.
WASHINGTON. d. C., May l6.-Mr
Dovcner is In receipt OF novel commu'
nIcatlan, such, perhaps, as no other con.
grcssmand had to consider a constlin'
ont OF his, whose name the captain dc.
clIned TO disclose, Informed him that his
wife preferred tO reside IN the country
at n place named. and had applied for
very earnestly protested against her an'
polntment and said he hoped Mir Dove
ner would recommend some good Re-
publican voter for the place In hor stead
Ills request VIII be compiled with.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17

DAYTON. May I6,-Clapnce Wolf
aged nineteen. shot and MORALLY wound
ed hs brother George, whom he mlstook
for a burglar. Mt late hour last night.
George had lGft his room for some cause,
and returning cautiously 80 ~ not TO dis
mrb hlI brother, was In the doorway
when Clarence HWOrk, ScC.ng the form
~ man. and suppnsing him 10 be bur
EInr. Clarence took from beneath his pill
ls.v 4 inyutytr and fred. The brother
fell with gl11a. Tho family was awHk-
oncd and the ldenctity OF che young man
was then discovered.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17
cAMPAIoN TN TAIIIALY.
The Plans oFths rurkiSH Commanders.
stories by Greek DsSsrtsrS.

LARIssA. May 16-Edham PaShA'S
plans for the capture OF Domokos are
being rapidly perfected. Reinforce
ments are arriving and all the Greek
positions are carefully watched. The
bad condition of the roads and the
heavy rain delay tho operations for
which the Turkish officers are anxious
iy waiting. but general advance began
at dawn.
a number Of Greek deserters who
have been captured, say that 5000
Greeks are behind the fortiAcations and
entertainments at Domokos. but hat the
whole organization is rotten, and the
medical and transport services have
completely collapsed. They say that
for thirty-slX hours the only ration was
q half loaf. and that the forces are b.
coming demorallzed and are deserting
by the wholesale
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17
acrlblng the tIght In Eplrup, under ErI-

scrIblng the Hght in EpIrus, under Fri
days date says:
Throughout the day Col Manoa SET
an excellent example, riding under hre
with his stan TO all the batteries and
advanced posts, and to every point
where hlH troops were scaling tho
heights. The Greeks greatly dlstln-
Ruished themselves by their splendid
coolness under hot dre, proving that
when well led In a properly conducted
enterprise they ara as fine "A type or
troops as one could wish TO see.
at the moment / am writing this,
Saturday morning, the action " very
fierce. The Greeks are still g0lantly
advancing and on all sides are geeting
the best Of It."
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17

LONDON, May 1.-THE Daily Nails
correspondent at Copenhagen says the
newspaper PolItiken publishes the fol-
lowing dispatch from Athens:
''The remnant OF the Greek army is
a mass OF utterly demoralized and un-
disciplined men. hostile to their officers,
never pretending to salute the crown
prince. without food or shelter and suf-
ferlng the greatest hardshlps. Fever is
spreAdlg among them. Gen. Smolenskl
Is old-shouldered By his officers and
unpopular with his men"
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17
SYMPATHY FOR CUBA.
PromIntnt NIsn Express ThsmIsIVsS At "
Meeting In Washington,

Meeting In Warrington,
WASHINGTON. d. C.. May i6-An
enthusiastic audience Of men and wo-
men. many OF them well known in
washington, packed the Columbia thea
ire 10 It's doors this afternoon at a mon
ster mass meeting held In behalf OF the
cause OF the Cuban insurgents The
thcn,re was appropriately decorated
seated an the platform and partlclpni
inr In the exercises were Senators Gal
iiIrer and Allen, ex-senator Butler, OF
snnth Carolina. Rcv. Hugh johnson,
nngtor OF the Metropolitan Methodist
rb,irch, Roy. Howard Wilbur Ennis and
n number Of others Identified with the
irtcrrstg OF the insurgents. Gen. VIII
lam Henry Browne. president ot the
cuban league, called the meeting To or
der and introduced senator Galllnscr
os me prcsldInE officer The latter
made brief address and read a NUM-
ber OF letters and kilograms of regrets.
among them being those OF Senators
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17

ATHENS. May l6.-Thc Greek army
in Epirus has been compelled 10 fall
back upon Arta. but continues to occu-
py n few positions beyond the bridge.
The Greek losses at Griboro were 55S
Killed and wounded. 30 being officer. It
Is stated that he government has order
cd the forces In Thesaly and In Eplrus
to remain strictly on the defensive.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17

BALTIMORE, Md, May i6,-It Is re-
ported here that the Catholic T'niver-
sity at Washington has received leg
OBricn. Of New orleans The money
selected by the authorities OF the unl-
Vprglty
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17
Crre1l FIert IneTrctIve,

LONDON. May 1.-THE correspond
ent Of the Times at Almyros. under date
OF Thursday, says:
The Greek fleet IL inactive. Half the
vessels are on the island OF Skiathos;
the other half are In Almyros Bay. II
Is said that the officers are furious with
tho admiral. who Is evidently held back
by orders from Athens"
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17
TRAGIC AFFAIR
Which Will RESULT in a Prominent
Young MANS Death.
A SAD CLIMAX TO IA ROMANCE

In LOnI'riiis-HIS Engagement ts .
YOunE Lady BrOksn on, He Sheets
HlmOSlf In Her Prsssueo-A Statement
Given Out By the Family Of HIs Flames.
Nephew OF GSu. Draper, Unltsd. States
Ambassadors to ItAly-ThO Young MSn
Cannot Live.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17
SULTAN DECLINES
To Agree to an ArmIstlSc Until
His Conditions are Accepted.
lie DEMANDS THE ANNEXATION
OF Thessaly and Fifty Million Dol.
lars of Indemnity.
IF DEMAND IS NOT GRANTED

n, Turkiuh Army will ContInuo to Ad-
vance, and the War will be waE'd with
Renewed Fury-Turksy Has the POw'r'
wh.ro she Wants Thsw, and Dictates
Her own TsrmS-EuroPo Will Net Con-
amt, ana the situation ls Vsrg GoAv',
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PROMPT ACTION
VIII be Taken in Response to the
Presidents Message.
RELIEF BILL FOR AMERICANS

whourO Starving In Cuba will be Passed
without tDsiuy--ssntimoHt In Favor OF
Recognizing the InuurEsntu Is Strong,
and Radical Measure aIIEht Be Passed
Iruho House were Allowed Free Action.
The Ms,nuEs, rwrlttSn, Is Expected To.
day or Tomorrow.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17

LONDON. May I6,--The preporterous
terms proposed BY the porte must be
reRarded ns the natural and usual
method OF oriental bargaining. They
would not be serious did they not force
n continuance Of the fighting.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1897-05-17

LONDON. May i7-The Times cor
respondent now at Imaret Heights, de-
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WASHINGTON. D. C.. May 1s.-
President Mckinley has not yet decided
whether ho VIII send message TO Con-
greEs on the Cuban situation. He still
has the matter under consideration and
win not finally determine what he Will
do until tomorrow morning.
The Norfolk Virginian. [volume] (Norfolk, Va.) 186?-189?, 1897-12-14
AN ENTORTdONATE DEMAND.
atlanta Journal)

The Emperor Of China declares that he
will lose his crown before he will sub
nit DO the demand bf Germany.
About two months ago riots occurred
MT Shantung in which two Catholic mis-
sionaries from Germany were killed and
one missionary station destroyed.
The German government lost no time
In taking action In reference to this out
rage. AS soon as possible after the facts
were obtained Germar forces Dccupied
the province In which the riots occurred
and presented TO tn Chinese government
bill for $4,000 indemnity.
This was not objected to, but now Ger
many wants about $1,000, 900 TO pay the
expenses iof her occupation OF the tur-
bulent territory. She demands also the
rebuilding of the destroyed station, the
execution OF the leaders OF the riot and
severe punishment of the magistrates
of the province Of Shantung
Germany still occupies the province,
and Will probably keep her forces there
until her demand IL met. If the EN-
peror refuses to admit 1.-THE German
claim and comply with all the demands
or Germany, the permanent occupa ton
and practical appropriation Of the ter
rltory by the Kaiser Is to be expected.
Shslntung is rich province and would
be very desirable acquisition. 1t would
give Germany port in China something
Ike England now has in Hong Kong.
Germany would also be enabled to es-
taDliSh coalinS station at n noint of
great advantage and in the event ,>f dis
turDances In the East which would re-
suit In the distribution of territory
among the undertaking powers of Eu-
rope, Germany would be in a far more
commanding position with Shantunc
than without 1t.
II the Emperor of China means what
lie says this valuable province will GER
fanny so to Germany. 1t would be n
comparative easy matter for that gov
eminent to enforce any demand il might
make on China. provided no other mower
ihtericred, and such n contingency Ia
hardly possible in this case.
inc chinese authorities regard Ger
manyS demand as eXorbitant, both ah-
solute!y and by comparison. In 1891 two
fIhghshmen were killed by rioting Chin
! csc In the iloonan province and no lcss
man twenty stations occupied by the
English, French, German and America u
missionaries were destroyed. The total
indemnity for these outra ges was only
| 100000.
Germany now asks much more for
what China considers less offense. and
the Emperor says he will die before II .
pays It, 'S
When he sees a few more German war
Shfps on his coast. and remembers his
| iast war experience, he will proba Div
change his mind
The Norfolk Virginian. [volume] (Norfolk, Va.) 186?-189?, 1897-12-14
LIFE INSURANCE SWINDLEs.
Ucslie's Wcekly.)

1t may be set down as automatic tina
the life insurance business cannot be
done on any plan which does not pro-
Nide Tor The future as well as for the
present. Who has not been victimiZed
by some of the brood of mushroom COM
pahles That sprung up n few years ago.
Offering to pay from 500 or 81 GOO dollars
Ill cash 10 members who would contrib
ute Il lew dollars in monthly, bi-mont h
~ or annual payments? OF course. If
the membership were sufficiently large
u lew could receive the bencii: at the
expiration IF the benefit terms. but as
soon as the roll of bcneliciaries grew
large enough to dcpctc the treasury all
the late corners who were net on that
roll were left to whistle for their money.
Inc promoters made the profit fid the
members were the dupes.
] doubt if any swindles in the worlds
history nave been worked more success
t"ilS' more generally, or 10 n greater
eA'cht imam the crafty schemes which
nave been put forth in the United
states under the guise of insurance and
liie neheiN orders. What has become of
an me lancifui endowment ana benefit
orders that we have heard of in tho
past, whose flaming prospectuses were
aoau.erea broadcast to enticc the I'M
mars-wno We're taught to believe that
tne regular insurance companies were
U,tltrSlhS too much. and that all the old.
posters? CIV liz