The Saint Paul globe. (St. Paul, Minn.) 1896-1905, 1897-10-27

Same objection" said Mr. O'Brien,
and the court sustained him.
HAS the Catholic church, as
church, any interest in the House CT
the Good shepherd property"
"Have the priests, or pope?"
mo, sir"
"Can the archbishop dictate the adj
vent into or release from this institu-
tion?"
HE can If he wishes, but, unless it
was in accordance to my conscience,
l would not accept it," replied the wit
you look upon the pope as the au-
thoriZed head of the church on earth?'
yes, sir
rs it utrue that the laity has the
right to dcriticise the acts of the
clergy?"
Yes. if the clergy bring opprobrium
upon the church, then they are amena-
BILE to, criticism from everyone
From that moment until court ad-
journed none of the testimony was
dry
Mr.. Butts challenged Mcdonald for
actual bias by reason of his religious
faith. The defense opposed the chal-
lenge, and thereupon Mr.. Butts ex-
cused Mcdonald for the time being
and called the mother superior to the
witness stand. Her testimony occu-
pied the rest of the forenoon and the
first hour of the afternoon session.
1t concerned the power of the pope
and other church dignitaries, as we'll
as the relation of the church to the
House of the Good Shepherd.
The afternoon testimony Of McDon-
aid was the most interesting and was
as follows:
Mr.. Mcdonald was asked if he be-
ieved and subscribed in the teachings
of the Catholic church.
II am member and help to sup
port it and it's rules and teachings"
"You look upon the pope as the
earthly representative of God?
81 look upon him as the head OF our
church.
sYou believe that a member should
obey all the orders Of the church!'
so far as they refer to the creed
and articles Of faith"
How far do the articles or falth
go?" inquired Mr.. Butts.
Hrere Mr. O'Brien again objected,
on the ground that the case before
the court had nothing whatever to
do with the doctrines Of the Catholic
church. 1t was far too remote; what
had false imprisonment to do with
matters Of religious faith. The obJec-
| ton was sustained.
Continuing. Mr.. Mcdonald said he
| had read something Of the. CleWett
case in the newspapers, but not
not enough to form any opinion con-
corning it. He didn't know Whether
| the society was a part OF the cnurch
| or not It's purpose, witness UNDER
| stood. was to reform fallen women.
which, in his opinion, was a laudable
| purpose.
1T would take a good deal Of evil
dence, wouldn't it, to convince you
! that the sisters mistreated the plain
| tiff and other inmates-made them
work too, hard and fed them Stops
inquired Mr.. Butts.
@t would take some evidence to
make me believe that the sisters mis-
treat the inmates"
"Would the evidence Of any Of the
| inmates make you believe it?'
81 object" interposed Mr.. O'Br1en:
'"The question is indefnite. Counsel
might as we'll ask the witness now
| long Is a string, or how old is
horse. Whom does he mean by in
mates? What inmates? The servants
or the women taken there, or the sis
tiers themselves?
The Court-Objection sustained.
"All things being equal" asked Mr..
Butts ''would you take the WORD OF a
layman as soon as that OF sister ol
| this defendant society,"?
Mr.. O'Brien-I object to the form OF the
question. Counsel should say, Everything
else being equal" not all things being
equal" for That. IS Impossible t ne oestion as
| amended by Mr.. OBrien, who then objected
| that the question was still indefinite. me
court allowed it, however, and MIR. McD0n-
! aid answered:
| -~Tnat's a hard question to answer
Mr.. Butts-If the sisters were sworn, wouid
you give them more credit than you would
a layman? , :,
| Witness-It depends on who the layman is.
Mr.. Butts-Suppose the layman was form
er inmate of the House Of the Good Shep-
herd.
Mr.. O'Brien-I object.
The Court-Objection sustained
Mr.. Butts--Would you give the sisters more
| credit than the plaintiff?
| Witness-I don't know thep laintih.
Mr.. Butts repeated the question, and NC
| Donald answered:
81 would have to hear both before answer
ing"
Continuing the witness declared that he had
no conscientious scruples against suing the
| society.
Mr. Butts-would you sue this society as
soon as you would a private person?
Mr.. OBrien-I object. The witness has al
| ready answered the question.
The Court-Objection sustained.
| Mr. Butts-Would you in an action against
this corporation, return as large verdict
| against it as you would against a private
Individual ON the same evidence.
| Mr. O'Brien-I object.
Witness-I would give as just a verdict
against one as the other. have no choice.
| 1t would depend on the testimony.
| Then Mr.. Butts took a new tack. Looking
at the witness sharply, he inquired:
Are you a member of the Ancient Order
of. Hibernians?"
The Witness-Yes, sir. Suppressed laugh
when you enter that order do you not take
an oath?'
81 do not
What do you do?"
81 object interposed Mr.. O'Brien. There
are doubtless a number of citizens in st. Paul
who belong to this order. What is council
aiming at now. Having instituted session
| of theology, we now to have disgust
ton on social science?"
But the court allowed the question.
Little information, however, was CLEANED
from Mcdonald on the point. He said man
had to be a Catholic, of Irish descent, to
be eligible for membership in the A. o. H.
Mr.. Butts-How are you initiated?
The Witness-Thats hard to explain.
| Mr.. Butts, in answer to the objection of
Mr. O'Brien to this line of questioning de-
cared that the ceremony of initiation i'm
posed an obligation upon al members to
favor Catholics as against all other religious
denominations. Judge Brill allowed the ques-
ton of Mr.. Butts relative to the manner Of
initiation and the promises made.
Mcdonald. who was becoming more and
| more reluctant witness, said he couldn't re-
member much about the initiation ceremonies,
| much less repeat the ritual
! Mr. Butts insisted that he tell who was
present when he was initiated, which re-
| quest the witness complied with. The witness
! also declared that he did not take an oath,
though he admitted he made promise.
Mr.. Butts-What promise did you make?
| The witness-I don't know as I'm allowed
to tell it, even If l could remember it.
| know little of it.
Mr.. ButtslTell what you know of it.
The witness remained silent.
Mr. O'Brien then arose and made an eX-
tended argument in support of his direction to