The Saint Paul globe. (St. Paul, Minn.) 1896-1905, 1897-11-20

hospital?" "They had some cells up sairs. on
the south side of the prison l should think
in the top gallery. That is where those VINO
are not sick enough to be In the hospltal are
put. from the best of my knowledge
r. do you recall any case Of what you con-
slider brutal treatment on the part of any Of
ficer Of the PRISON." 1.-The only time ever
saw anything that was unnecessary was the
case where two prisoners in my squad, one
man struck another did something, ana
the little fellow standing behind him pinioned
him with his arms, and Lemon struck him
once or twice in the face with his fist"
you saw this?" Eyes, sir.
HELD WHILE ASSAULTED.
''You say one man held another by the
arms and pinioned him?" Yes, sir. AND
Lemon struck him in the face or neck.
Where was Lemon-in front of him or
side of him?' Lemon happened to be right
there at the time"
when was this?' Some time in 1894.
And who are the men? could not tell
you. 1t was done so quick.
did you at any time see any OF the prls-
oners struck with a cane there! one sun,
day 1 was on the north side of the cell
house, / think. At all events 1t is part OF
the cell house that commands path leading
to the solitary. had heard some noise, and
l was talking to man in cell, ana ne salu,
Look and I turned around and happened
to see through the window and saw pr1s-
oner run, and just at that time he received
a heavy blow on the head with cane This
happened outside. He was taken to the SOL
-itary."
rs there anything else that you desire
to state to this eommission?" Il simply
would like to state that l am not mere 10
testify against any one man, but tnat slni-
ply desire that these things be brought out
1 believe that am an intelligent man and
well educated man. Warden Molter salo
the men were there for reform. There Is no
reformation to be had there, and my only Cd
jeets.in appearing before this commission IS
ar thnf CHI no fUrthnrp0
Mr. Flandrau-What would you suggest as
method different than the one IN use thefe !
II would suggest relief from petty annoy
ances. Men who are confined there are smut
up in themselves a great deal, and they can
stand great things far more than small ones.
There is more damage really done by the
guards constantly reporting men tnan by
any particular act of violence or cruelty, IL
such may be the case, to the individuals
1t was a constant annoyance and 1t was tnaC
kept the men in absolute terror OF being re-
ported men who struggled hard and were In
constant dread of being reported. That was
the bugbear that hung over them.
REIGN OF TERROR.
Mr.. Flandrau-You give your own case as
having been reported a good many times,
but never found true except one. In refer
ence to others, was the result similar or were
they punished justly? There was case Of
man named Hill. He told me that 1t was
a matter of food. He said he was going up
to see the warden. l said don't do it. He
said 'Why?' l said don't do 1t, my informa-
ton is that men get no benefit by reports.
He said, L will not. l will take your ad-
vice. About ten days afterwards he said
4 have done it He told what he did; and
three days afterwards he was in the third
grade"
lis it more the fear of being reported than
it is the trial that troubles and annoys
them?'' Yes, sirf'
1.-The result of the trial is not so much of a
bugbear, then as it is to be reperted?" Yes,
They generally strive
to the rules .aJ.=- 3.-
Mr.. Wolfer-At the time you had this talk
with me in reference to the prisoners not
being in condition for reform, or the condi-
tons. surrounding not being reasonable for
their reform, what brought that up? 81 think
it was the time when came up to see you
about my own case to tell you that 1 had
been frequently reported within a short time
for wasting bread
did it apply to all men in the PRISON."
Eyes, sir"
men being reformed by different treatment %
Yes, sir. You was every emphatic. You
said that class of men could not be re-
formed any way
What particular clasp 81 thought you
meant all of them
Mr.. Nethaway-What sort of treatment did
/ Lemon accord you? Personally | received
good treatment from Lemon. except on one
occasion. am not here to speak of my own
grievances. :"
''You say that for sixteen or eighteen times
you never were punished by Lemon?" Ger
tainly.'
"And you were not found guilty but once;
you say you were guilty of violating the rules
once?" Yes, sir"
Mr.. Penny-Did you at any time have any
conversation with Lemon or make state
ment to him as to what his treatment of
you was in comparison with treatment
of other prisoners?" Il told him that had
influential friends in st. Paul, and would not
be ill-treated. was not likely to get into any
serious trouble, that remark was made to
Lemon
Mr.. Nethaway-You came before him. You
were not brought there at his request. You
were reported by some guard? What did he
say to you then? He did not make any
particular remark"
Mr.. Penny stated that there was another
witness whom he desired to have examined
and an a. after locking for him for few minutes
the steward was paid for his services in JuIv
and and august 1888 which obviated the neces-
mission then adjourned to meet again on
Monday next, in Minneapolis, at 10 O'Clock
a. M, at the court house