The Saint Paul globe. (St. Paul, Minn.) 1896-1905, 1897-11-17
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infer"
mo, sir.''
"He could have got those cuts
by striking the top Of the door frame? r.
mot the smooth top"
"What was the nature Of the
wound?"
ut was a 1acerated, not an incised
wound"
Judge Nethaway again questioned
Dr.. Hedbeck, as to whether or not, if
the deputy warden found Ryan asleep
when he went to see him, it would
serve to show that he was in no immi-
nent danger, and the doctor admitted
it.
Mr.. Lemons attorney then endeavor-
ed to tangle Hedbeck up with the use
of the word report, as applied to the
verbal message to Lemon and written
report to the warden, but finally all
came out Of it straight.
STATE AGENT WHITTIER.
After DR. Hedbeck had finished the commits
sion adjourned until o'clock, to hear State
Agent Whittier, who, coming at that hour,
described his duties in connection with pa.
rolled and discharged prisoners, and told OF
the operation of the parole system. The pa
rolled prisoner must go where he was sent
and stay there, but his earnings he he'd the
direct benefit Of Witness visited the prison
four or five times month. once ne came
be discharged during that month. He had
free access to every prisoner In the lnstltu-
ton. He had never heard any charges OF
brutal treatment preferred against the prison
officers by convicts of his acquaintance. He
knew of no restriction placed on their inter-
course with him. He thought the effect OF
the parole system had been good. He had
recommended a change in the system OF pay
ing the their good-time money, Whlcn
had been adopted.
The commission then adjourned to meet in
the senate chamber in the state capitol at
o'clock today.
The first witness in the morning was Frank
A Weld, city superintendent of schools, or
saltwater. who also has charge of the prison
night school. He told of that branch OF the
prison work. The teachers, he said were Sc
lected from among the more intelligent con-
victs. The attendance was from 100 to 100 at
present. Instruction included the elementary
studies, geography, history, higher ar1thme-
tic commercial law and other work. He had
free intercourse with the conyicts.
WELD HEARD TROUBLES.
'Have you ever heard of charges of brutal
ity or excessive violence to convicts?' asked
judge Flandrau.
Eyes, sir; such reports have come to NE
from conVcts. "
''What did you do about them?'
Sometimes I paid no attention to them, be-
lieving them not to be well founded. In other
cases 1 have made inquiries, and found that
they were lying to me-.
true which would fall within the class of
brutality or excessive punishment?'
No. sir.
Have you ever seen any case of excessive
physical punishment"
mo, sir. l have seen prisoners Strengthened
out and shaken up, and 1 saw one man put
in the solitary"
What would you consider excessive pun
ishment?"
THAT would depend on the attitude of the
convict toward the officer. The severest KIND
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cessive in some cases, as the officers life
might be in danger, and it would require
pretty severe measures to subdue Them.
"What did your investigation of these cases
you refer to consist OFF," asked Mr.. Penney.
81 asked the officers generally
What ofifcers?"
"Mr. Colligan, Deputy Lemon and once, 1
think, of Warden Wolter.
THAT was all?"
mo, / have talked with convcts, too"
These charges were made in the SCHOOL,
yes and in the cell house"
you considered them worthy OF lnVest-
cation, although it was not part of your
business?"
'Yes, sir By investigation I do not mean
an official inquiry, you understand, Dut IN
quired about them
Asked to cite a case which would come
within the class in which he felt no pun
ishment could be too severe, he did not re-
member any within his personal observation.
He did recall one case of convict COM
planning to him who had some bruises, but
couldn't recall his name.
NEVER SAW LEMON BEAT ANY ONE.
By Mr. Nethaway:
"Did you ever see Mr.. Lemon beat any
of the .convicts?" :,
II saw him put man in the solitary once"
''You were in the solitary! ,e-
81 was at the door. ea
Ibid you see Mr.. Lemon strike or peat
mo. He grasped him by the collar and
the body and pushed him along.
''Was the man resisting?
yes. They had to use force He did not
have anv opportunity to resist very long, as
there were other officers near who came 10
his assistance. IA,
81 did not see any.
Did the convict strike out?
He made feints. I supposed he was try
ing to strike the deputy
THAT was the only case you saw!
HOW did this man, you speak of, get the
injuries to his head?'
Il do not know"
1.-The man made no complaint 10 you
Have you seen any other injuries to con-
victs?"
II have seen small marks on their heads at
times
STEWARD BENNER'S STORY.
H. E. Benner, the steward at the prison
for over ten years, testified that during his
service he had heard no reports OF complaints
of excessive violence. 1t being called to his
attention that his term antedated the legis-
lative investigation of 1891, he explained tnat
by this he meant complaints to himself.
He had sixteen or seventeen conVlcts work.
ing under him and while his duties did not
take him especially into other departments
of the prison than the culinary these men
he talked with daily and they had never made
any complaints.
Asked about the bill of fare served the
prisoners, Mr.. Benner explained that it was
changed from day to- day. Yesterdays break
fast, he said, consisted of hash bread, pickles
syrup and coffee. Mondays dinner included
pork cabbage, turnips, bread and pickles.
He thought the prisoners were we'll fed.
Sometimes they out of some one article
at meal, but rarely. The prisoners always
got enough. He submitted a number of the
bills of fare for the past few months.
Ample time was given the prisoners to eat.
MRS. WOLFER TESTIFIES.
Mrs Wolfer, the acting matron, was called.
She stated that she was acting in the place
She explained the duties of the matron as
Payments. They, perhaps, got little better
sleeping Accommodations and fare than the
male prisoners. She had never heard of any
unnecessary violence in the treatment of con-
VictS.
THEY SAW THE PRISON.
Commissioners Inspect the Work
ings of the Solitary.