The Saint Paul globe. (St. Paul, Minn.) 1896-1905, 1897-10-29
MUST SEE Mr.. LOWRY FIRST.
MIR. LOWRY is IN NEW YORK, SO
THE NATTER HAS TO
REST.
THAT Is ON TRANSFER QUESTION.
Committee on Streets
Spends Some Time With Messrs.
Goodrich and Mum.

of it. Anything definite, such as the
question Of whether tht company
would or would not issue transfers
from the cable to the interurban, it
was stated, could not be told without
consulting Mr.. Lowry, as every point
of Importance had to be referred to
Mr.. Lowry and as Mr.. Lowry is in
New York, there were no transfers
promised or streets paved.
Aid. Kenny, Lindahl, Shepard, San
born, Donahower, Kaldunski and Bell
were present at the meeting. Vice
President Goodrich and M D. Num-
representing the street railway COM
pany, were also in attendance. Over
an hour was spent in an informal dis
cussion, and a cross-fire of questions
with Mr.. Goodrich and Mr.. Mum on
the stand. Some of the more pointed
questions as to the claim of per-
petual franchise for the cable line and
the ordinance and section under which
the company now operated electric
cars west of Dale were not answered
either by Mr.. Mum or Mr.. Goodrich.
The ordinance submitted by Vice
President Goodrich, and referred to the
committee without reading, was the
first matter taken up. After the Or
dinance had been read, Chairman Ken
ny inquired as to it's disposition.
Aid. Sanborn asked Mr.. Goodrich if
there would be any objection to iII-
sorting a section allowing transfers to
and from the cable to all lines. Mr.
Goodrich said Mr.. Lowry objected to
the insertion of the transfer section,
and, on being questioned closer, said
an ordinance with the transfer sec
ton in would not be acceptable by the
company.
Aid. Kaldunski asked what the OBJ
lection was to transferring from the
cable line. Mr.. Goodrich said the only
lines now excepted from cable trans
fers was the interurban, Lafayette and
Como lines. He was not certain that
the company could not arrange 20
transfer to the Como line from the
cable. AS to the Lafayette and Rondo
line, Mr.. Mum said the operation of
the proposed depot loop would do away
with the need of a transfer to and
from the Lafayette and Rondo line.
Mr.. Sanborn questioned whether I'M
til the depot loop, or belt line, was OPP
Grated the company could not give
transfers on the interurban at Seven
corners by a system of double trans
ferS.
Mr.. Mum said the company had de-
cided that it could not arrange for a
double transfer as it would simply
mean a number of law suits. AS to
the patrons of the cable living on the
line west of Summit avenue, they
could reach Minneapolis via Merriam
Park and Prior avenue.
In reply to questions of Aid. Sanborn,
W CSOo61Csl said the COn1nanV would
much prefer to use granite blocks on
Third and Fourth streets. The paving
would not be the same as now on
Third and Fourth streets, but similar
to that at Seventh and Wabasha, and
on Broadway. Assuming that the
cable line could be changed to an cleo
trio line, Mr.. Goodrich said he did not
even then care to pave with asphalt
on Third and Fourth streets. The paw
ing on Broadway Mr. Goodrich said,
was very satisfactory even to Aid.
Kenny. The Third ward alderman,
however, stated that he would never
be satisfied until the Broadway loop
was operated.
Aid Donahower said the paving of
Third and Fourth streets was in a
bad condition. and he asked if the line
was changed in the spring would it be
possible to pave the two streets at the
same time Mr.. Goodrich said with
would be almost impossible to pave
Third and Fourth streets next year.
The company expected to spend about
$4,000 in putting in the Selby avenue
device, and in addition to this the cost
of changing the line would be consid-
cradle. Owing to this state of affairs
the company did not feel like binding
itself to pave the TWO streets next
year.
Aid. Sanborn said there was deal
of objection to the granting OF per-
petual franchise for the Fourth street
line. He thought the objection Of the
company about the bonds being issued
on the strength of franchise OF this.
kind could be obviated by having the
franchise run until a year after the
bonds issued were due. Mr.. Goodrich
did not remember how long the bonds
run, it might be fifty, but ne thought
it was one hundred years However,
that matter, he thought, could be ar
ranged if other parts of the ordnance
were made satisfactory.
Mr.. Nhlnn, in reply to a question of
CORPORATION Attorney Markham, as
TO whether the company claimed the
cable franchise was perpetual one,
said he had never looked the matter
up. MI,
ham was as to the number of the or
dinance under which it relied to op-
crate it's electric lines west Of Dale
street. This matter Mr.. Markham also
admitted he had not looked up.
Mr.. Goodrich and Mr.. Kenny en-
gagged in a debate as to the operation
of the Broadway loop and, in the
course of the conversation, Mr.. Good
rich stated that the company did not
care to operate the Broadway loop.
Mr. Lindahl thought the railway
matter could not be fixed up in one
afternoon, and suggested an adjourn
ment. Mr.. Kenny opposed an adjourn
ment until the street railway matter
was disposed of. Aid. Sanborn sug
lust what the council wanted. 1t de-
manded transfers to and from
all lines and the fixing or
some specified time when Third
and Fourth streets would be
paved. The council also objected to
the granting of perpetual franchise
for the electric line which would take
the place of the cable.
Mr.. Mum suggested that the differ
ences be referred to a subcommittee
to consider with the officers of the
company.
Mr. SanbeTn said the experience with
subcommittee had not been at all sat
isfactory, and the other members
agreed with him. Mr.. Goodrich ex-
planned that he would have to consult
with Mr. Lowry about the transfer
question. Mr. Lowry was now in New
York and it would require correspond
ence and time. AS to the time for paw
ing Third and Fourth streets, he again
called attention to the large number
of streets to be -nauAa>t1. turing next
year Under orders now in the hands
of the board of public works. If the
city would relieve the company from
paving other streets, the company