The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1897-04-10

Mr.. Outcalt-Who was the second
man you referred to2
Al Tutcher of Ottawa.
Q.-Have you the list of names men
toned?
from his pocket).
Q.-Please read them.
A--SenatorS Schaener, thinner, Ky an,
Campbell. Farrelly, Hanna, Helmick,
Forney, Lewelling, Helm and Arm
strong.
Q-Who did he say was supporting
the bill without being fixed?
A-As I remember, Helm and Arm
strong.
Senator Observation-Disclosures amount
as you remember. did the railroad com
missioners' contingent fund bill con-
tain?
A-s1. 600, as I remember.
Mr.. Boyle-Do you know when these
changes were made?
Ono, sir.
Mr.. Jumper was excused and William
Butler of this city was called
Mr. Butler knew nothing of the stock
yards or other bills which have been
mentioned in the testimony of witnesses
who preceded him. He did say that
Colonel Taylor, whom the newspapers
have talked about as coal oil inspector" p"
had approached him with reference to
the normal school at Wichita.
Q.-Were you offered money!
A.-No, sir.
Q.-What did he say?
A.-That fund had been raised and
the money would be used to further the
bill.
Q.-Did he open any negotiations with
you?
A.-WelI, yes
Odd he offer you any money?
A.-NO. sir.
Q.-What did he say?
A.-OnIy intimated that negotiations
might be placed in progress.
Q.-NOthing more?
Mr.. Butler was excused and in the
absence of other witnesses the hearing
was adjourned until o'clock this
morning
The bribery investigation was resum-
ed in the senate chamber this morning.
Senators Titus and Jumper were re-
called to show that the programme as
outlined to them by Boyd for the stock
yards people, had been carried out in
the senate, except that the bill was not
defeated.
Representative J. w. Clark, who was
so vigorously arraigned by Dr. F. H.
Smith yesterday, WAS then recalled.
Asked by Mr.. Smelling concerning the
loan and loss of his Missouri Pacific
pass, Mr.. Clark admitted that he had
loaned and lost the pass. He said:
when had the conference with DR..
Smith in which he offered me money, I
did not know the pass had been taken
up"
Mr.. OutcaIt-Had either of the rail-
road bills been considered?
A.-They had not
Q.-What did he say to you?
A.-Asked me not to give him away.
Q.-What did you tell him?
A--That I could not help it if our in
vestigatiOn was held.
Q.-What did he then say to you?
A.-Told me that could get around 1t
by saying received the offer of money
through the mail ---,-.-~-s-z
Q.-Was anyone present during your
conversations
A-There was not.
Q.-Did you ask Smith if he could tell
you where you could get some money?
Al did not.
Q--What did he say to you?
A.-That they were going to beat the
maximum rate bill and we could just as
well get some money out OF it.
Q.-What was your reply2
A.-Told him 1 did not go much on
railroad promises.
Q--Then what occurred?
A.-Smith told me 1 would not have
to take the railroads; that he would
be responsible for the money if want
ed it
Q.-who told you the pass had been
taken up?
A.-Mr. Weilep.
30 whom did you loan the pass?
A.-Mr. Gilbert
Odd he notify you?
A.-Yes. but not until WeiIep told me.
Q-How did Weilep know about it?
Ale said Mr.. Waggener of the Mis-
souri, Pacific had told him.
Odd you tell DR.. Smith your pass
had been taken up2
Al couldn't say. I may have talk
ed to him about 1t.
Odd you have an application from
your county for a position in the Office
of the secretary of state?
A.-Yes, sir.
Q.-Were you for or against him?
Al was against him.
Q.-Was Dr. Smith for him?
Al don't know. asked DR.. Smith
En Rea1r7 II R1,a
Odd he do it?
Al don't know.
Q.-Was there anyone in the room
when you talked to DR.. Smith?
Q.-There was no one present?
A.-NO, sir.
Q.-AIady was not sitting at a desk in
the roOm2
A.-No sir.
Clark was excused and Frank Gilbert,
an AtchisOn grOceryman, to whom the
pass in question had been loaned, was
called.
Gilbert testified that he had received
the pass February 19. Had gone to
XirWin February 81 to visit his mother;
had returned few days after as far as
Downs, where the pass had been taken
up. He stated that Clark had been no
tilted of the fact that the pass had been
taken up and had replied, expressing
regret that this had been done, and said
if he (C4ilberD had waited a few days,
Mr.. Waggener could have been seen
and a trip pass secured. Gilbert's tes-
timony elicted nothing of interest be-
yond the fact that he fixed dates when
he secured the pass, something Mr..
Clark said he was unable to do
Mrs. Nellie Bennett was then recalled,
reciting in substance the testimony
given yesterday. Mr. Smelling conduct
ed the examination of this witness. Mrs
Bennett stated that she was in the
room when Smith and Clark entered;
that she overheard the conversation,
9lleeraE
Clark denies, with reference to the pass.
She further testified that after Clark
had left the room DR.. Smith had said
to her:
THAT man is for sale and Brown is
counting on him to support the railroad
bill"