The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1897-11-18

(WhO Appeared Last Nlght as MT. west 5
CounseL)
these matters some time ago. and from
what / can gather. l think | am gong
TO be summoned; but / may not be sum
moned after all. l am going 10 take the
chances on not testifyng: take the
chances on getting out OF tcstifying. so
they will not have to discharge WesE'
That was the substance Of our CONVEX
sation. / insisted. and advised him to go
and tell those gentlemen what he had
told me; and he insisted that IT would
not be a proper thing for him TO do; that
1t would endanger Mr.. Vests position.
Whether or not he went l don't know;
he said he wasn't going.
CAPTAIN WISE'S QUESTIONS.
@. Is that all you know about II?
A. That is everything.
Mr. Lambda you want to ask him
anything, Captain?
Captain Wise-Why. certainly not. Yes,
will ask him one question. Do you know
whether the Dispatch would have fired
him?
Al do not.
Q.-Have you any knowledge Of the
statement made to you by Mr.. DUce?
Al know what he told me.
OIL mean have you any personal know
ledge of the facts he stated?
A.-None whatever.
Q.-Is all of your knowledge on this mat
ter derived from what he told you?
A.-Everything. all l know about ii is
what Mr.. Duce told me.
Q.-You have no personal knowledge Of
it?
A.-None whatever. That was the first
ever heard of it; and all ever heard
OF It,
Mr. Lamb-Captain, you seem to over
look the point that this is not a legal pro-
eeeding No one is plaintiff here. and no
one is defendant Mr.. Duce is as much
plaintiff as anybody else
Captain Wise--lf you will PARDON me,
YOU have overlooked the fact that the
rules Of evidence are the only way by
which we can get at the truth the only
way. You cannot get at the truth by per-
hitting people to come before the com
mittee and repeat not what they know.
but what somebody else told them; and
if that method is adopted, yon may Jlack-
en- the character of a man unJustly. Now,
/ want the truth as well as you do; but
to get il you cannot depart from the eX-
perience OF mankind, by discarding the
rules by which the truth is TO be got at.
MIR. BLACKBURN SMITH.
Mr. Noel left the stand, and Mr.. Black
burn Smith was called.
Mr.. Blackburn Smith, or Berryville,
a member of the History Committee. tes-
titled that he was not and had not been
employed by any book concern. He knew
absolutely nothing of the charges being
investigated.
MIR. f. w. MANHOOD.
F. w Mahood testified as follows:
BY Mr. Lecky-Did you prepare what is
known as the Massey resolutions in the
Sons of Veterans?
AYES, sir.
Odd you introduce them?
Ayes, sir.
Q-What time was that? What was
tho day?
Al can tell you in a minute. Exam
ines book on his lap). August 30, 1897.
O.-How long were the resolutions In
YOUR possession before you presented
them to this Camp
Al don't know exactly. but little
over week.
Odd you show them 10 any member
OF tho Camp for conference?
Ayes. sir. / showed the resolutions
at first TO Mr. Leslie Spence. and he took
a typewritten copy of them. Then Pro-
fessor Miles letter came out in the paper.
and | showed them TO other people. don't
remember now who / showed them TO.
There was no secrecy about them at all.
1 know | showed them 10 one gentleman
Q.-Can you recollect any member other
than Mr.. Spence that you showed them
TO?
Al showed them 10 Mr. Folkes.
O.-Had YOU gotten sufficient encourage
mont "a, these resolutions to present
them. were they criticized thoroughly ana
All the obnoxious portions stricken out
A-Yes. sir. Mr.. Fokes told me: Mr..
Nahood" nov this is the substance OF H.
MIR. Mahood. it is the best thing FOR the
Camp that was ever proposed" and he
said he would base his political future on
| IL.
Q.-How long before the resolutions
were proposed was that?
| Al think II was a few days. ! don't
know exactly how long II was.
Q-At the time of your introducing the
resolutions in tho Camp. was any OBJ
lection made?
A.-When they were introduced here?
Q.-Yes. sir.
A.-Well, as far as can remember,
think there was a little discussion as TO
whether they should lay over Mr.. Chum-
bley, as far as / can remember. was the
only one that found fault. He found fault
with the word "anatHematize." He said
he didn't want TO send Mr.. Massey's soul
to hell / said didn't want TO send him
that far That is all the objection / re-
member now. that Is. the only material
objection.
o. You say there was discussion as
TO whether the resolutions should lay over
| or not?
A. Yes. sir That was the main ques-
ton. as far as ! remember.
Q. Was that question raised for decision
by the commander OF the camp?
A. | think II was. / think his decision
was that way as far as remember.
q. Who occupied the chair that night?
A. Mr.. Folkes.
THE TIMES GOT THEM.
O. Did you give those resolutions TO the
newspapers for publication?
| A. Nc, Sir. did not. II was done with
out my consent and against my ex-
! pressed wish stated at the time they
were given that ! did not think II was
| proper. as they had not been passed by the
camp. and that II might cause some dis
sension among those whom I called the
! sore headS" There were some peonia