The Saint Paul globe. (St. Paul, Minn.) 1896-1905, 1897-12-23
Mr.. HILL QUERlED
DEFENSE IN TIMES CASE PUTS IN
ANOTHER DAY QUESTIONING
HIM.
THE PULLMAN BOND DEAL
CAREFULLY GONE OVER. AND
FACTS AND FIGURES GIVEN
THE JURY.
THE PULLMAN BOND DEAL
NEWSPAPERS AGAIN LECTURED.
Judge Threatens to Prove That the
Gavel Is Mightier Than the
Pen.

The opening OF court yesterday In
the libel suit against the Times was
marked by a sensational occurrence.
Mr.. Jackson, as counsel for the defense,
calling the courts attention to editional
comments in the Tribune on the trial.
Mr.. Belden, for the prosecution, stated
that he was always opposed to cases
being tried in the newspapers. The
court had considered, when the matter
was brought to his attention the other
day, that his request to the papers
would be needed. If it was not being
obeyed he would examine into the case
and take action later.
Samuel Hill was then placed on the
stand for further examination by Mr..
Jackson as to the records in the Guar
anty Loan receiverShip.
The defense produced report Of the
Minneapolis Trust company, signed by
Mr.. Hamblin, in which the Pullman
bonds were referred to. A paper book
was offered in evidence, and from it
was read several pages Of that report.
Prior to its being read, and after the
offer, Judge Belden said:
I'VE wish to make the statement
now, that we have no objection to this
report or any other. In order that the
defense may know how to proceed we
will further say that we will put in evil
depce, when our time comes, every
scrap Of paper, correspondence, ETC., as
evidence bearing upon this deal.
Nothing will be kept out on our part. !"
Following the reading of this report,
the attorney questioned Mr.. Hill as to
his knowledge of the various transact
tons, to which he replied that he, with
the other members Of the committee,
has evidently had the report referred
to them before it was submitted to the
court. Mr.. Jackson had the minute
-
turning to certain meetings, in which
action was taken, asked the witness If
he was present. He could not remem-
Der in detail what occurred at the
meeting, but he knew that the matter
was discussed by the members present,
before it was passed upon.
When the noon recess was reached
the defense had only become fairly in
volved in the inquiry as to the personal
various steps taken in the intricate
Pullman bond deal.
In the afternoon the memorandum belong
ing to the defendant was introduced, which
was drawn up by his order by his private
secretary, from his private notes. which
showed where the defendant was at all dates
during the preparations for the Pullman bond
sale. The witness shown paper pur-
porting to be a copy of the first mortgage on
the Pullman lands, but he could not identify
it, because he had never seen the original
of the mortgage All that the witness knew
about it was that he had heard the mortgage
spoken of, knew the amount of the mortgage
and that it had become due Messrs. Bassett,
Lindley & Hale had examined into the matter
and reported 1t.
''I can't give you the details now" said
the witness, but 1 know now that l exam
ined the matter and passed upon it. / can
explain that any one man could block the
matter by voting against 1t, If he saw fit
The meeting of JAM s, 1895, at which the
bond matter came up, was referred to, and
the witness asked what part he had taken
in the meeting. He had taken only the
same part any other member, and the
result of the meeting was that Mr.. Bassett
was authorized to go to Chicago to look up
the Pullman matter. The witness could not
tell when Mr.. Hamblin was authorized to
go to Boston to confer with Coombs and
King about their offer, but knew that he
talked with Mr.. Hamblin about it on his re-
turn. Asked regarding his personal knowl-
edge about the second mortgage bonds of
the secretary and treasurer of the company
could tell about that.
II don't care about their official positions"
said Mr.. Jackson. Give me their names.
The official positions don't mean anything to
me-"
But to me they mean a great DEAL" said
the witness calmly.
well, If they agreed to sell for a certain
amount, you wouldn't know what 1t wasp
1.-The secretary and treasurer would know,
but I would only know by the records"
You would rely for their correctness upon
your employes?"
Their honesty and integrity and good bus
mess judgment-yes, SIR
You have not referred to any employe."
said Judge Belden. "Mr. Jackson makes it
appear that men you employ were referred
to-
81 don't mean anything about the way In
which this business was transacted" cried
No J8kson.
II trust you will know all about 1t before
we are through, Mr.. Jackson volunteered
Mr.. Hill.
The question finally came down to the main
point he was after, and asked for a record
of the action of the company regarding the
offer of Mr. King of 10 cents on the dollar,
for the bonds. The date of the meeting was
given as Feb. rs, when a circular was passed
upon by the committee, with that end in
view The witness stated that the committee
would not finally pass upon the matter until
the court had first been informed. After the
court had approved the matter, the commit
tee ordered a circular sent out to the cred
itors.
Questioned by Mr. jackson, the witnes
stated that before the sale was advised he
set the machinery in motion, the appoint
ing of the committee to see to the matter in
structing the committee 30 far he was a
member of he main committee, to hunt for
purchasers of the bonds, look up some re-
bonding scheme and do all they could to pro-
tect the interest Of the estate.
At this point, the state objected to Mr.
Jackson's questions. He kept interposing into
his questions, alleged evidence that the bonds
were amply secured and always paid inter
est before they were sold for 10 cents ON