The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1897-12-11


me Yesterday afternoon / saw the GATE
was a. was then IN state OF uneer-
tainfv abour those checks-absolute state
OF uncertainty. because thought. as the
sequel will show. that checks OF ,ha'
character had been given me other 'n"n
I'm "a and | did not want two sets Oh
checks | was not certain-i went gu.
Immediately after the Adjournment an"
asked Mr. George Booker. OF Hamp'ol'
question which was this: Was II sS or
'9i that we were in birmingham togeth-
er?' He thought II was In W. we 'raceu
81 up and found that II was III 'he sum
mer-the early summer. June or SnS'
or perhaps in May. that we were ,
mingham together-lSA 90 ny 40,
lcct sir. the exact date that met Mr'
Womack or whether I saw him at all In
October 81 or whether he sent me those
checks; but want TO say that during .he
winter Of 'g3-4 and during the year w.
Mr. Womack was with me, wouid coihe
in company with me where other gen''
men were. and | received him as SUCH !
know very well that a great many Vi .s
from Virginia and Maryland went oo"i 10
Birmingham together in company WIN
two sponsors-one from Maryland ana o,
from Virginia. 7 regarded MN dS-"'
right: and up to within two years past
book concern. had not. and ! nave SUI
diously avoided having anything in this
world-except a passing remark mace 10
him, or any other agent Of book COM
pany represented here in Virginia; ana
that is why I said so positively IL couIn
not be '96. My course towards him ana
other agents in Virginia changed from the
time this scandal commenced. Now ]
want to say about those checks; Inc
consideration OF those checks, ! repeat
this morning. were not I'm any way, shape
or form. connected with the American
Book concern. agent or otherwise. the
considerations Of those two checks were
these gentlemen have forced me to come
TO the stand and tell 1t: I did not remem-
Der the date of them until saw them. At
birmingham. previous 10 that time. after
that time I remember distinctly, some
time I'm July or August. in a private room
AT one OF the hotels here. perhaps Mur-
phy's. we. with other gentlemen did IN
dulge-I saw sometime In the summer on
'oi after the Birmingham trip. and be-
fore the Birmingham trip, we ala lnuu'se
when we meta parcel OF gentlemeh-ih
games OF cards. We kept memorandum
between us: I kept memorandum ana
he kept a memorandum, ana there are
others who used to keep memorandum,
siderations Of those checks. | have been
forced TO make the statement that no"
make. Tn to that time, sir, not brealh
of suspicjon rested against Mr.. WOmdck'
and upon reflection. sir. | want to say
who introduced me to Mr.. Womack' A
gentleman from the county OF AlDemdIle
introduced me TO Mr.. Womack, ana lhat
was the reason sir. that ] regarded MT
Womack a gentleman; and that Is the
reason that whenever we gentlemen got
together TO indulge in games Of that sort
he was always received but not since the
scandal has started that / am aware Of.
have | ever seen a game of cards played
where Mr. Womack was. That is the
consideration of those checks.
SEVERAL GAMES OF POKER.
General Hundley: Have you been ad-
dicted to card playing with gentlemen as
YOU state? / mean as a practice?
MIR Stubbs: General Hundley. 1t is one
If the little pleasures OF life that / have
INDUCED in for many years. When
came out of the army / did not know
one card from another wren was AT
the University | didn't know one from
another. In the whirl OF politicai Ire
during the sessions Of the Legislature
did indulge i'm cards. and when got OH
here i'm Richmond / used TO play games
with gentlemen.
O. Have YOU ever played any other
game than poker?
A. / know nothing I'm the world about
any othe game. except what IS known IN
this day and time as the game OF poker.
o. Was that the game played In Birm-
ngham?
A. The only game we played in Birm-
ingham was poker. | want 10 say that
we were down there off from home haV-
ing a good time. with George Booker an
Albanian; Mr.. Henry. Mr. Womack,
and on several occasions we were on a
big spree. not drinking. at least / did
not touch a drop. | don't know the taste,
Of ale. cider. wine or whisky: nor have
/ ever touched "A branded peach in my
| life
O. Who is Mr.. Booker? Mr.. George
| Booker Of Old Point?
A. Yes sir. old man George Booker,
| who keeps the Sherwood Hotel at Old
| Point: one of the best men in the world
! always thought.
O. Did you play more than one game
at Birmingham with Mr. Womack?
A. ! stayed there five or six nights
and believe after l got there. every
| evening we would take a game. We
were off from home. had little money.
and we INDUCED.
Q. Have you ever played at other TINES
with Mr.. Womack?
| 4. At the old Exchange Hotel, sir, we
have played frequently.
g. Have you ever won any money from
him?
A. I have. and have loaned him money
over the card table.
Q. / will ask you this question: you
say you are familiar with the card tables
| and usages. does It ever occur that gen
| tlemcr at cards, rot having cash on hand
! give checks, or pass checks 10 cover their
! losses? DO they trust each other at
| all?
q. They trust each other; but when
| they give checks they just give checks
Of course they do.
| @. Either at the time or afterwards?
y. Any time; they do not state the
! consideration of the check.
Q. / understand you TO say TO this
committee that those checks have no
connection with any business transaction
and that you have had no transaction
| with the American Book Company with
| j. w. Womack. its agent. or with any
| other book company, or agent?
| a. l have answered that question as
| positively as | can. AMI want TO make
another statement with reference TO. the
session of 1896. when | was here in the
| Legislature. The last session / was here
| reckon / played less than | have ever
done at any session, and from March
1896, up TO this time. Mr.. Chairman. I
| know | speak within bounds. / have not
played twice. | thought. when ] got TO
be as old as ! am. l reflected and said
perhaps | ought to haul in my horns -