New-York tribune., 1897-02-06

Philadelphia rehneres The decision OF the Court
Of Appeals affirming the illegality OF the Sugar
American Sugar Refining Company. the witness
Was there any change except in name only?"
was the next pointed question that camc from the
Well" said Mr. Havemeyer, sharply, from being
Illegal as we were we became legal as we are
"Do you not control the sugar market" asked
Senator Lexow.
"Do YOU not fix tn. price of renned sugar."
DO you not substantially control the product of
refined iaT,s sugar for the United states?"
Later on. it should be remarked right here Mr.
Havemeyer admitted that this was Just what the
American Sugar Refining Company did do in effect
For some years the company had not been able to
the cSmpetiIion Of fs the National Ioienhauer and
McCahan companies We did not organise for
any Of those things ~ ~
Senator Lexow here consulted some notes. and
tion before the Senate Committee in 1894 passage
in which Mr. Havemeyer. the Witness had said in
American Sugar Refining Company was able TO con-
troll the price OF refined sugar up to the importing
seemed TO stagger the witness "A bit. and he asked
leave 10 read his testimony on that occasion After
wished now to admit that he had been mistaken on
o oa copTo pn the Price % al that e me The new Moen
hauer. National and McCahan rehneries deprived us
They compete with you them
"They do"
rs not your price the same as theirs"
"No: it is a bit higher think"
What Is the outpu; OF your competitors
Don't you keep record OF 1t from year to
year,.
Does anybody in your employ do ths?"
AN ADMISSION FROM THE WITNESS.
Senator Lexow then took another look at his
notes and read from the report OF the Investigation
already mentioned the testimony OF the present
witness. In which he said that the purpose Of the
organization OF the American Sugar Refining Com
pany to cohtrol the output and tho price. To
this Mr. Havemeyer responded that that testimony
should be read In its context. and not separately.
the price and output to-day?' quered the chair
Mr.. Havemeyer leaned back in his chair and said
emphaticay: Yes sir; that is undoubtedly the
Right here Senator Lexow wanted to know what
had become Of the Sugar Trust deed under which
know where it is" answered the wyess Il doubt
its existence. haven't seen It for Six years.
vo1 OF n ne ne b OF ss 40
and the answer was. Eighty per cent. and when i
America decided that it was perfectly legal to do III
And that is now your opinion
1T is the opinion OF the Supreme Cour; OF the
But you have adopted that oplnon?"
Yes. have adopted it," responded the witness
Now, when you fix the price tor, your product.
ahd' Ana for sSsry the Se4 f1 fsnery s competitor. and
That Is undoubtedly the way it works"
The witness here denied that the American Sugar
Refining Company had threatened the Arbuckes that
would go into the coffee business II the Arbuckes
proceeded to expatiate upon the evils OF the mon
strous coffee monopoly"
declined s cents pound" he asserted, while the
XrSueH.s hay. reduced the p!Ics q roasted coffee
R.An,ns Company ]. going into thl: business and it
viii 'd%Se the p. to the so 70 s fsns
sumers and VIII leave a handsome profit for US. 1t
Hsyemsvs9 ,nnounced this prospec,iw. blessing to
the public with much emphasis.
FLUCTUATIONS FROM THE SENATOR.
"We are. OF course. glad to know that the public
is to he the gamer from this' said Senator Lexow.
but do you apply the principles to the opera
ton OF tho American Sugar Refining Company"
Mr. Havemeyer said he did and that was the basis
Of its whole success And openly declare. in
court" he went on. that that Is just what the
American Sugar Refining Company is going 10 do
In the coffee business. We shall reduce the profit
from three cents q pound TO half cent, and the
consumers viii gain thereby. and we shall then
have left handsome profit
his company was not and had never been: in com
petition with Mr. Spreckes. Of San Francisco His
Msspoar Mip River RV o' When asked 10 explain his
piled that 1t was simply matter Of geography and
he KGSHX o the %e Of the Missouri River G for ha
cent pound o While tro it Ip TSud s3st cent and
Where does your company pay taxes was the
.'Whercver it has property; Just thu same laws
applying as in the case OF personal property. We
pay taxes in number of States from here to Louis
TO the question as to why the company NG Tas Ha-
sey Mr. IIavemeyer responded frankly that the
laws OF New-Jersey were very favora9e PIE as ,o re-
over there was less trouble there from scrutiny
any yor and vour associates on the Board OF Direc
tors control the doings of the company 40 you
not" asked the chairman ,bn to this There arc
more than eight thousand stockholders III the
The Witness said that the idea that his company
going into the coffee business 20 s.d k on W
don't ki off competition" he added There Is
nothing to prevent anynody from toins mo 'ie
sugar refining business If he wants TO 90 So
MIR. ARBUCKLE ON THE STAND.
John Arbuckle Of the firm OF Arbuckle Broth
ers in this city and Arbuckle & Co. in Pittsburg
was next called. and the Messrs Haverne!er ls-
tened intently to his testimony
Mr. Arb,lckle said that his firm bought consider
able sugar from the Sugar Trust AT one time, and
still bought some but not as much az before The
ht the % WITH Backing Pu' machine
owned and sold to grocers throughout the coun-
iinery TO turn out sugar for its use, and, al
ways having been on good terms with the Sugar
He had told Francis D. Mathiessen director OF
I he Sugar Trust. who asked him in reply how he
Ohe withess) would like 10 have the Sugar Rein
Ing Company 70 into the coffee business. We are
largely Interested In coffee said the witness. land
! took Mr.. Matthiessens question 20 he covert
threat. We bought sixty shares Of the Woolson
company because we believed that the Sugar Trust
had bought the rest to hold IL club
heads and because 10 build n sugar rcfn-
cry. which. n matter OF fact. is in process
OF construction"
James " Jarvie. Mr.. Arbuckle's partner. was the
next witness He said that his hrr1 s.il bought
sugar from the Trust. although not as
much formerly Then came The most important
part OF This Witness testimony. and apparently
one OF The most significant BITS OF evidence brought
out nt yesterdays session. II showed that in the
minds Of Arbuckle Brothers the Sugar Trust had
10 drive them of the coffee busi-
ness In short. 10 ruin that portion OF their inter-
ests. because they insisted on the right 10 refine
their own sugar.
Lowell VI. Palmer" went tho witness 'nresi- I
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