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The people's journal. (Pickens, S.C.) 1891-1903, 1897-12-02
is SANTA CLAUS TO COZ
n Protest Against the ADOiiSn:ncnt OF
Christnla Festivities

CHRISTMAS Festivities.
! Atlanta Constitution
Is that genial Old divinity. worshipcd
under the name OF Santa Claus
| destined to go the way Of all the earth,
Just at present there seems TO be
something OF Il crusade Ing shape in
New YORK city against the time hon
orcd custom OF observing Christmas
now in vogue but whether. this crus-
adc springs from Il feeling OF hostility
toward that mythol0gical old hero Who
has hCch Lbc auLnOr OI SO much genuine
happiness IN this world, on whether it
owes It's existence merely to the love Of
nuturiety which IL characteristic OF the
blE metropolis, does not appear from
the mchgCr nlO' NATION which has
come To hand. More than likely the
dull season OF Quictudc which has fol-
lowed upon the recent fight for mayor
explains the present agitation. New
Ork Is never at Il loss for something
TO hmnsu her.
As a prCtCXt for routing Old Santa
Claus from the world it is claimed Lnilt
the observance OF Christmas according
10 The immcmUriai custom which has
come dow n TO us from the ircsidCs OF our
Gcrman ancestors, is not in keeping
%lth the religious spirit Of tho day, ana
should, therefore, be HOnndOncd. As
the season commentaries the advent
OF the worlds Messiah, it is claimed
that religious feelings solely should
dominate the Christmustidc. Is this
objection tcDab.c ? When the angels
announced the birth Of Christ to inc
shepherds who were tending their
ilOcks on the hills Of Bethlehem, did
they not CXclaim that the mes
which they brought was one Of glad
~ In
TO be wholly inconsistent with the char
nctcr Of this angelic MESSAGE that
mlrth and 10y should be excluded from
the Christmas season. E... the argu-
mcnt does not rest solely nron This fact.
On tho day or the nativity, according to
the gospel narrative, wise men from the
east Drought presents OF gOid and fran
klnccnso AID myrrh and lid them at
the feet OF the infant Savior. This con.
stltuIcS the warrant fOr the custom Of
giving presents TO the young at Christi
mas time and, in connection with the
present crusade which is being made
'hgGlnot it, special emphasis should be
lard mpon the fact that the custom was
Insulated by wise men. Moreover,
since the Saviour Himself, both in His
HE ana death, suDlimCly cxumplilcd
the grace Of giving, what rational OBJ
Jcction can DC oilcrcd to the custom
Of Dcatowing gifts upon the young
IN nCmOratiOn Of the SAviour's
birLn?
or course, Santa Claus himself il a
myth bat If no greater fraud than this
IS ever pcrpetratcd upon the world,
there will be little to disturb it's faith,
anu nothing whatever to mar it's hap
plncS'. OF all the seasons Of the calcn-
dar, tnc one most precious TO the heart
and memory OF childhood Is the ono as
aociatcd with the yearly visits OF old
santa Claus. This world is prosy
enough already in the hcartachcs and
tribulationa which bcscam it, and whv
rob IT Of the few well springs which
gladden. It's waste places? What the
heart OF man yearns for is more OF the
genial warmth and cheer which como.
with the Christmas season, melting the
The people's journal. (Pickens, S.C.) 1891-1903, 1897-12-02

'cicics which have found their wav
into his lifc and making him young
again. The present method OF obsrrv-
ing Christmas Is deeply rooted in the
worlds affection around it cluster
memories OF the purcst leaf and fra
granco :; and though coupled with inno-
cent deceit in the harmless superst-
tion OF Old Santa Claus, it is destined
to triumph over all the crusadcs which
can possibly be wagcd against it. The
New York movement SuvOrs moro OF
pnritanism than Of wholesome pictv,
and Is not apt to survive the Christ
mas season which is now approaching.
The people's journal. (Pickens, S.C.) 1891-1903, 1897-12-02
REPLIES TO HIS CRITICS.

Governor Eli"rbC Denies that Ec hd.
riS"d NewboId to Avoid hrrrst-IIc
Fav"rs The ni%prnsary Without
proii's-Ilc Will BE IL Candidate
for Recollection.
Governor Elicrbc invited tie news
paper reporters to intcI view him, and
expressed himself on va@i)uS tOpic4 Of
Drhiic interest. The CO.umhin COZ
respondent Of the News and Courier
makes the following report Of the in
tcrvicw:
Governor EIcrhc has given the pco.
pie as Il Thanksgiving Offering his an.
n0unccmcnt that he won!d be = cnndi-
date Tor rc-clCCtiun, and further that
he propC = to stand for an amcndr d
dlspcnsary law, while rrgrCtting that
tho system has to Suilrr ChHngrs II is
the lirst important and conclusive an.
nouncemcnt on the part Of Governor
Eilerbe. Tonight Governor IlIrrb9
tclcphOncd for me- to come to the Man
sicn, and gave out the following inter.
vieW: y
81 ace in the News and Courier OF
Tuc. day an editorial commenting on
the report from It's Ch rstcr corrcspon-
dent. which, while not dire city doing
so, may by. insinuation lead people TO
believe that the Governor advi-cl
New hOld not to SURE ndcr. The langu.
age used by the Cacstcr correspondent
reads: lie was instructed by the
state authorities not to surrender uD-
I'll to-day or until tho Court OF General
Sessions Of SparttGhurg County had
a.. Hnrncd.' | wish - nUuncc :ho
stat. 'cntny absolutely ana unqualified.
~ false. | sent MIR. NcwbOid no mes
sage, gave him no advice AID made nc
terms with anyone for his surrender
am gctting heartily Tired OF such dirty
nlnEa and Instructions. II seems &c
mo That o. gentleman has no protection
out has TO submit to such sandurO L.
insinnatiOn5. I'havc also been harshly
criticised for pardoning May ard BuiGC
for killing Sims. Sims was a desperate
moonshiner who was openly violating
tho laws OF the State, and when Ma,
and Bnicc attempted TO seize the
t-iiQUor Sims started to fire on tho
| officers, and had they not killed him il
the discharge OF their duty would hav,
! been killed. Moreover, Mr.. Crawford
VINO was present, testified that til,
killing Wa in sclf-dclcncc. This il en-
! tirciy aside from the petitions and tht
endorsement Of seven OF the Jurors
! There were in addition to other pcti
The people's journal. (Pickens, S.C.) 1891-1903, 1897-12-02
THE Maj GSTY OF THIi Law,
Il Circuit Judge l>Nilts Local SELF
Government and Condemns "ilig her
i'.w' Known as ynchin9.

i.w' known as ynchinG
Judge Aldrich, OF Aiken, bad the
honor to be the first to charge IL jury in a
court Of general sessions ior Green
wood County The county has been at
tachcd to the Seventh circuit, and con
ST Qucntly Solicitor Scasc and SlCnO-
grapher Campbell Of that circuit were
in attendance.
When court was called to order
Judge Aldrich took the occasion as a
proper ono for some remarks Of a more
than usually general and extended
nature to be made to the grand jury.
he spoke to that body in Substance
To-day lew leaf in tho History OF
your section la been turned. This Is
in Keeping with the entire history of
that masterful race to which you be-
long-a race which has controlled
largely the thought and action of the
world and has greatly advanced the
interests OF civilization.
The record Of the white race has
been constant aspiration for home
rule. Oar forcfathcrs. leaving tno
oppressive monarchy Of EugIap1, cano
to the wilds to establish hon" 49,
Various colonies were f0r".,u out Uf
the territory thus secured and these
COIOnlcS DcCanlN states. These DirS~-
ing were achieved at great sacrifice.
Acting on this vital Any Saxon prin-
ciplo of home rule, the people in
variC sections OF the States p"rccod
them Ives into districts, the better TO
proviue for local sclf-gOvcrnmcnt, for
the c"dCrly administration Of law and
the ron DtiOn Of order generally.
Sou IN Carolina, at first divided into
large districts, gradually became sub
divided into counties that the general
welfare might be better promoted.
Mark you these results were no.
reached 10y violence, but through pcac,
! ~blc and ORDERLY channels.
In pursuance OF these principles
therefore, the people OF this section
asked the people Of other counties tt
help tnem obtain this boon Of local sc!f
Eove"..n ont. Possessing the requisite
population, the property, 'he intelli
The people's journal. (Pickens, S.C.) 1891-1903, 1897-12-02

lief that the presidents discussion of
the present Cuban situation will tend
TO strcnEthrn the feeling that the ad-
min'strALion will be able to meet every
phase OF it III manner satisfactory to
the conservative business interests OF
the country and to discourage radical
or prccipitatc action.
The people's journal. (Pickens, S.C.) 1891-1903, 1897-12-02

Ills Health Has Improved and He is
RrSaininG Lost Icicsh-.IIc Be-
licvcs Congress Will PassEIIis Dis
pcnSnTy Bill.
The people's journal. (Pickens, S.C.) 1891-1903, 1897-12-02
WHY SHED EACH OTHtR'S BLOOD ?
THE PREVALENCE OF nONIICIDE
AT THE SOUTH.

"A Oaim and Philosophical Discus
sion or Great Evil that Casts it's
Blight Upon Southern Civilization
Time Now for opr People to Eman-
cipatc Themselves from The Tyranny
or Bloody Custom.
The following contribution to the Sun
day News is from the pen of Col Edward
McCrady, of Charleston, and merits care
full lsperusal from all of our citzcns.-Ep.I ]
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10
SULLIVAN.

Did you ever see the sun shine bright
or or hear the birds sing sweeter than
they did March 4? All nature reiOiced.
The blackbirds held a jubilee and all
the feathered sOngsters participated.
They sang "Peace has come, let all re-
jOice and sing, Tramp, tramp, tramp,
the boys are marching" AS they closed
their concert we caught a few stray notes
Of America" and we knew the inaug-
uratiOn was a success. The birds heard
it flashing over our new telephone wires.
Last Friday was literary day and the
event OF the day was the debate Of our
seniOr:class. Question, resolved, THAT
the Mental Capacities Of Women were
and are Superior to Men," affirmative,
Edna Huber, Mable Smith, Bertha Park;
negative, Ora Ardnt, Morris Mcconnell.
This was the liveliest and wittiest debate
we ever had. The boys worked hard to
prove themselves superior to their moth
ers, sisters and sweethearts, but the girls
held their own from start TO finish. Miss
Park was the last speaker on the affirma-
tive.and she riddled the boys arguments
and sent their theories to the four winds.
The girls victory was hard fought and
brayely won. So now everyone is thor
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10
HUNTINGTON.

'IoN iN1 j Wv
Allen Breley and family moved into
one Of Bert Herrick's houses In Yelling
ton last week.
Mrs. Harry CrOsier returned to her
home in Pittsfeld, Sunday.
M. R. Smith is attending the petit
jurOryin Elyria. 80
Mr.. and Mrs. Will Sage and little son
of Bakers Crossing spent one day last
week with E. JOhnsOn's family.
Walter Hull and family Of Wellington
spent Sunday with Dave Hull,s family.
Harry Pratt was in Elyria, Saturday.
The WOmens' Missionary society Of the
M. E. chnrch held their regular monthly
meeting Wednesday at the church parlors.
The literary society elected their new
officers last Saturday evening. Presi-
dent, G. G. Cassell; vice-president, Tom
Smith; secretary, Dewey Griggs; treas
urer, Frank Hull.
Jim Crawford was in Albion one day
last week and his wife's sister returned
home with him.
Will Haulk Of Norwalk visited his
brothers family, Andrew Haulk's last
week.
j.. j. Weaver OF Indiana is visiting at
his brothers, VIM. Weaver's who has been
very sick, but is now some better.
HOratio Norton has been very sick, but
Is now much better.
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10
ROCHESTER,.

Miss GOldie johnson, Of Norwalk, Is
visiting friends here.
The friends of Miss T. Callin will re-
gret to learn of her serious illness,
Fears are entertained for her ultimate
recovery.
Frank Abbott, Of Shelby, was in town
Thursday.
DR.. Roberts, Of Cleveland, is visiting
friends in town.
Married, at Brighton, by the Rev.
Mayer, Miss Marry Carrier Of this place
and Herbert Goss, Of Brighton. Miss
Carrier, was one Of ROchester's first
young ladies, and was held in high es-
TEEN by all. Mr.. Goss is also we'll
known here, being at one time a resi-.
dent OF this place and was popular.
Property Is changing hands rapidly
this spring. Chas. Beardsley having
sold his place to Clarke johnson, and
Sarah Baird having sold the property
where Mr.. johnson now resides, to a
man from Athens county.
Revival meetings will begin at the
Baptist church Mar. 81.
1t has at last come to vote, whether
or not Rochester is to be an Incorporated
town, or to take a step backward. This
is not as it should be. How anyone can
wish to strike blow at the enterprise
and prosperity OF our town by thus vot-
ing to un-incOrporate the town is hard to
understand. OF course there is an in
creased tax, we will admit, but there is
also benefit derived frOmit. We have better
walks, a cleaner and neater looking
village, which is complimented by
strangers. What will be the result of
taking such step backward and having
our corporate rights removed? In a
short time we will have no walks. 1t is
said that the walks are not kept up. but
1t Is known very well where the fault
lies. 1t Is becaTse the laws are not en-
forced. The present walks certainly are
a great improvement over those we had
before Rochester was incorporated. All
who lived here then can remember that
they hadtO play hop skip and jump in
order to keep on the few boards of the
sidewalk.
Now, let every man consider what he
is doing when he walks up to the polls
and deposits vote against the prOsperi-
ty and best interests of the town in
which he lives. Let us not degenerate,
but advance in cleanliness and prosper
ity with the rest of the world.
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10
PiTTSFlEID.

~ t.G6s
The Temperance rally held In the NJ.
4. church last Tuesday evening under
the auspices Of the W. C. T. U. was a
success.
Seven out Of the ten Of thes chools
in township had contest in the way
Of written examinations on hygiene and
physiology, the school that stood the
highest took the banner. District No.
kept 1t, having taken it last year. The
examinations teach the pupils the
evil effects Of tobacco and alcohol on the
human system. 1t is good work, let it
continue.
William Preston Sr. and William Pres
ton Jr. and family, Elsie Preston, of
Cleveland, Edna Preston of 0berlin, and
c. F. Avery and family were guests of
Mr.. and Mrs. j. j. JOrdon, of Brighton,
last Thursday,
Arthur Shurburn will return to his
home in Kansas, this week. Mrs. Shur-
bnrn will remain until the first of April.
Her father Mr.. A. Whitney will retnrn
with her.
Elwin WhitcOmb and Jennie Shurburn
Joined the church on probation last Sun
day.
Rev. Biechele and wife went to Dele
ware to visit her father Mr.. More who is
very sick.
The funeral OF Mrs. Nancy L. Whitney,
wife of Augustine Whitney, of Pittsfeld,
who died February q was held from her
late residence conducted by Rev. F. D.
Bently, pastor of the Congregational
church. Mrs. Whitney was the daughter
OfLOuis Whitney, born Feb. 10. 1888. She
was married to Augustine Whitney, May
18th, 1852. To this union three child
rem were born; Ada, wife 70 Arthur
Shurburn of Anthony, Kas,; Terry of
Cleveland; Luna widow of Frederick
Hall, of Lakewood, O. All were present
at the funeral.
Mrs. Kate Simmons, former resident
Of this place, died in Cleveland, last
Thursday. The funeral was held in the
Congregational church at Wellington.
Four Of her brothers were present at the
funeral, William Preston of Pittsfeld;
John Preston and wife Of Cleveland;
James Preston of 0berlin; Robert Preston
of Vasser, Mich. Many more of her rel
atives and friends were present.
Robert Preston staid to make a short
visit with his brother VIM. Preston.
Mr.. and Mrs. Appleton and two child
rem are guests of Mr.. Wilson.
E. P. Mason has returned home from
three weeks Qisit with his sick father
and friends in Wood county.
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10

Ing Through Georgia." One of the notice
able features Of the gathering was that
among the patriots and veterans gath
cred there stood one Of McKinley's COM
rades In the famous Ohio regiment
whose remaining members were so hon.
ored at Washington. Hart Stuart
served side by side with the president
and is held In warm remembrance by
him, and Spencer was proud on this day
OF his greatest triumph to number his
soldier friend as one Of her citizens.
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10
oughly convinced that the question is
properly stated.

properly stated.
The Ladies' Aid society Of the COngre'
gational church met with their pastor
Rev. Hill last Thursday.
Philop KOhst of Sullivan, a member Of
the gallant old 23rd O. V. l., went to
washington to see his old comrade inaug-
urated president last Thursday.
Hon. Chas. Fl. Faser will lecture in
our school room Wednesday, March 10,
subject, 'The AvOirdupOis Of Uucle
Sam, or the Greatness of America" Ben
efits for our school library.
Mrs. Louise Campbell Mellore from
Richland station, N. Y, is in Sullivan
visiting her aunt, Mrs. Sylvia Camp
bell.
Mr.. and Mrs. Ellsworth Biggs and
daughter from Elyria are visiting rela-
tives In Sullivan.
Richavd B. HarvOut is quite ill.
F. D. Park dug parsnip In his gar
den measuring thirteen inches in cir
cumference and nineteen inches in
length. WASN'T that a parsnip worth
eating.
Last Monday was settlement day. Our
honored trustees held an interesting
session.
Sullivan Cooperative Dairy Co. sold
their creamery last week, Orrin Chap.
man Of Wellington, and AnsOn Hyde
and j. B. McAdOO Of Sullivan supposing
they had purchased the creamery intend.
ing TO start a first class cheese factory
here, but the Cooperative company
concluded to form a new company com.
pOesd entirely Of our progressive farmers
so eight Of our citizens, Geo. Mcconnell,
Morris Frink, Curtis Whitcomb, Wilbur
Drake, Martin Smith. 0rrin Dirlatn,
VIM. Goodyear and Geo. Hershey, have
purchased the creamery and propose to
run 1t the coming season in o satisfac.
tory manner.
The last literary will be March 10. The
seniors expect to have another debate.
You won't want to miss it.
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10
TOWNSHIP NEWS
COLLECTED BY THE ENTER
PRISE'S CORPS OF CORS. y
Recent Happenings and Special Events 4
Wellington's Immediate Vicinity
OF Interest to Everyone.
BAKERS CROSSING.

'N'N -'' ~ O'NO OO''N~' g.
There was wood bee for s. s. Boice,
Saturday afternoon.
NJ. N. Hill and wife and Ora Hill Of
New London were guests at X. D. Bak-
er's, Thursday night.
The entertainment at the church on
Wednesday night, given by Edward
P. Warren, was heartily enjoyed by oil
present. As an impersonator, Mr.. War.
rem is success.
John Murray was in Elyria over Sun
day.
Harry FOgle spent Saturday night
with his parents in Spencer.
The ladies' society will meet with Mrs
M. W. Laborie, for work, Wednesday,
March II.
Mrs. Nellie Chaffee and friend re.
tutned to their home in Wooster, Wed.
nesday.
Mrs. s. E. Peet and little daughter
spent few days Of last week in Spencer
at her fathers.
Several friends were entertained at the
home Of Elmer Knapp, Saturday even.
ing.
Messrs. John Murray and Ray Baker
and Misses Nellie Murray, Leila Bak'
er spent Thursday night in Rochester.
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10

Collinwood, Ohio, Feb. 20, 1S97.-My
mother has been afflicted with rheuma-
tism for several years and has taken O
great deal Of medicine without benefit,
but Hoods sarsaparllla has helped her
wonderfully. My brother and had
sores on our faces ami hands. We began
taking Hoods Sarsaparilla and in short
time the sores all. disappeared. Kittie N.
Burrell. % - '
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10
Dover, N. H., Oct. 81, 1S9.

MEssRs ELY Bros. The Balm reach
ed me safely and in so short a time the
effect is surprising. My son says the
first application gave decided relief.
have shelf dlled with "catarrh cures -
Tomorrow the stove shall receive them
and Ely's Cream Balm will reign SUI
preme. Respectfully, Mrs. Franklin
Freeman.
Cream Balm is kept by all druggists
Full size zoe. Trial sizes 10 cents. We
mail it. ELY BROS, 56 Warren St., N
Y. City.
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10
Pc N FIELD.

MIR. Lewis Jones, ST., died last Sauur-
day. The funeral was held Tuesday.
Douglass Goodyear is improving.
Mr.. Hufstetter is still verysick.
Mrs. John Yost was reported worse last
Saturday.
Doctors Gregg ond Hathaway held
counsel in regard to Mrs. Kelsey last
week.
Harry Smith has been seriOutly ill, but
is better.
Mrs. Rev. Addison W. Hayes, of Roch-
ester, N. R., has been a guest at the
home of A. B. Hayes for few days past.
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10
CarnatiOn Plants.

To make room for other stock at once will dis
pose about 900 plants out Of Carnaton Bed which
if set out any time after April 1s will bloom contnu-
ally until fall cents each 15o-2 year old Roses
finest varieties grown, at cents each Part of stock
already sold. Don't send away for plants. Wait and
my ad. later.
w. H. Townsend.
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10

Smooth roadway. Quick time. Per-
feet service. Uniform train porters for
the convenience Of the first and second
class patrons. Through sleeping cars be-
tween Chicago, Buffalo, New York and
Boston. Unexcelled dinning cars. No
change Of cars for any class Of patrons
between Chicago and New York city via
the Nickle Plate road.
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10

We have put in feed mill and will
grind your feed the same day you bring
It, PHELPS Bros. & Co
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10

Solid through trains with sleepers be-
tween Chicago, Buffalo and New York
city are run daily via Nickel Plate road.
Dining cars attached.
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10

Hoods pills cure constipation by re-
storing the periStaltic action Of the all
mentary canal.
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10

Rates via the Nickle Plate road are
lower than via other lines. 6
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10

II the system is fortified by Hoods
Sarsaparilla, which makes rich red
blood, there is little danger Ofsickness.
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10

Take the Nickel Plate road to Boston
through sleepers from Chicago. 9
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10

Low rates anywhere via the Nickle
Plate road any time.
The enterprise. [volume] (Wellington, Ohio) 188?-1899, 1897-03-10
Ayers SarsaparilIa

ssnd for the "curebook," 100 pages freA
&c. Aver Co. LeWsil. Nass.
Audubon County journal. (Exira, Iowa) 1884-1993, 1897-03-04
School Officers Meeting.

There will be a meeting of school Of
ficers and patrons in the High School
rooms in Audubon, Saturday, March
10, 1897, to which all are inuited. Fol
lowing is the program:
FORENOON.
10:O0-Care of buildings and grounds,
a. r. Smith, J. Fl. Maharg, VIM.
Humphrey, John Rosenbeck.
1045-School Apparatus,-J. u. Moore,
Geo. Agnew, Eli Hanson, D. D..
Sampson.
11:15-Duties of school officers,-Al.
Fredericks, o. G. Donaldson, Henry
Young, A. F. Altman.
AFTERNOON.
1:15-Course of study and rules,-Thos.
Law, S. ". Luse, w. H. Brinkerhotf.
2:00-Teachers' salaries,-M. L. Bran
son, o. P. Tyler, Hans Johnson. j.
Shingledecker, N. P. Hoegh.
2:45-Care in the selection of teachers
d. P. Repass, S. w. Cramer, A. Kit.
son, G. H. Priestly, H. S. Jones.
Other questions proposed by those
present will be taken up and discussed.