New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1897-01-23


mediate consideration and deberation. Win
careful review OF existing treaties when IL "'sh'
AFFECT He had received from all parts OF the co""-
try kilograms and letters implying that the com
mittce was holding back the treaty and defeathg
that grea. object OF public desire. He declared
with emphasis that there was no such purpose
on the part OF any member Of the committee. put
that the committee would give to the treaty fun
and careful consideration.
Mr.. Allison Rep.. Iowa. asked Mr. Sherman now
long the negotiations had been In the hands OF the
Secretary OF State.
Mr. Sherman was not able to give the time ex-
actly but said that the treaty had been long
time under consideration. The Senate certainly
could not be blamed for not acting Immediately on
a treaty which had been discussed a year or two.
or perhaps longer He understood that Secretary
Gresham had taken part In the negotiations
CRITICISM OF THE SENATE RESENTED.
Mr. Hoar spoke again. to the effect that the mat
ter had been considered between the two Govern
ments for more than twenty years directly or in
directly and that Mr. Gladstone himself had ex-
pressed opposition to 1t in the House Of Commons
twenty-five years ago. THE idea he added i'm
petuously. of saying to the United States Senate.
If YOU dispose Of that treaty in twenty four
hours you are TO have spurs damned into you'
Is one to be repealed"
What are YOU going to do about it, Mr.. Gray
(Dem.. DELI asked In tone of calmness which
contrasted with Mr.. Hoars manner. Il do not
know" he added whether have more right
to complain of the interest manifested by the pub
lie in this matter than we would have to complain
of indifference. II such Indifference existed. TO
q matter of public importance involving so many
things for the welfare OF humanity. l agree with
the Senator from Massachusetts that Incorporate
zeal incorporate criticism OF the Senate are
OF place. and lack the propriety. perhaps. which
belongs the public discussion OF great questions
But cannot remedy that. And do not think
that any Senator will be forced out of his own
sense of propriety by such incorporate zeal or in
temperate criticism"
Mr.. Hoar-The Senator asks what We are going to
DO abou; It, think that We going to point ont TO
the very excellent. worthy and well-meanng men
who doing this that the matter is still in course
Of diplomatic discussion between the two countries
and that 4, is unwise for them attempt to affect
that diplomacy. After we have pointed that out TO
them they Will It themselves and will desst.
Mr.. Gray-I think that the Senate of the United
States Will perform Its duty with due deliberat!on
whether the Incorporate criticism ceases or not
FURTHER INFORMATION WANTED.
Mr.. Cullom. member OF the Committee on Foreign
Relations. sad that he in accord with the views
OF Mr.. Hoar. There had been three meetings of the
committee the treaty received. 1t had been
read at the frs, meeting and laid over until the
second AS some members of the committee
were absent at the second meeting. the matter
had been laid over to the next meeting
There disposition on Inc part OF the
committee TO delay action OH the treaty
moment after the committee was far saisnfa WA, M
himself concerned. he believed in the general propo
Vote for treaty so extensive in its scope until he
had fully satisfied hmse that he vas asb Ing IN The
lie wanted 10 be SATISFIED that the treaty was n3'
tying up the United States in way not expected
When satisfied Of that. was ready 20 vote for the
treaty but not before.
glad that his colleague Cur Hoa.) had said what he
had said. because there was good deal OF misundef
ieiesrapbns to him cMi, lodge and to other sena
fors apparently under the Impression that the arb-
being Improperly delayed IN tne
Senate This matter OF % arorh hss d
geSSers sn for ana M 6ma nd
the Marquis OF Salisbury for nearly a year. Inc
treaty bad not been ten days in the senae etors tho
comm sece on F % sae SH on
last: ard the committee had only Just succeeded IN
q ,be most st farreachng impor Wie ali Senators
ne thoGgh agreed with the eenrrsl PRINCIPLES in
effect Of some OF the provisions of the treaty. 1t
wCa not TSuce to hs on Which
perhaps in a or in few months deveop causes
denuncatlon That would set back the whole plan
OF arbitration for years
GRAVE QUESTIONS INVOLVED
There were grave differences of opinion as to
whether under this treaty great question of Ma
fttonal policy which had been the American poiicy
for years. like the Monroe Doctrine. was involved
I'm IL or no.. There questions whether the
Nicaragua Canal bill. now under consideration IN
the Senate was involved in 1t. These were not
tons the Senate could dispose OF III Two o OF
three days. He very glad that his, colleague
attitude on the general principles of the treaty
but had also stated the attitude of the Senate ana
stances under which the treaty was now before
the Senate and that far from mere pes any b9yvnr
got the necessary information. was proceeding III
the consideration of the treaty with unusual "a
Mr. Hawlev Rcp, Coonl ADVOCATED carerG' con- G'a
cnssinr the general subject, said it was matte;
for oagratulation that the ln'ed S, "a anrei
forced Great Britain TO arbitrate an old Quafrc'
sewe sp j. said his desk x, w ssc ,oaqf e
urged that the committee take tune ,Sn,
might understand ,horoughly all the questions questions
concealed within its text Inc Motifs or treaty
aud many other important questions might De III
Guided under this treaty and unless the ns II,
fed it was probable that it might give us more
trouble than If we had no such convention
THE CHOICE OF AN UMPIRE
Mr.. Stewart pop. New saw little reason 10
apologize for refusing to ooey 'he oeli"nu' y. a"
numerous public expressed in its first clamor
This treaty. was subject OF such vast importance
that II must necessarily consume time. the Oniteo
states was not on equal terms win treat pi''a4'
IN making an international treaty. MI "'e"ai'
,,oceeded despite the rules OF tho Senate 10 us
cuss the merits OF the case. and criticised the Sc
lection Of European umpire Eufop o,,, wa bv
family Of States Its sovreigns "ers y!
and associated IN interests anu :!
European monarch acting as umpire under TINS
freaty would naturally be governed py NJ IL, ~"
uem ni,,gs senator Stewart did not believe a
ipeay Could framed that would put ,.s cou or
srv on an equal footing with Great brllal,;; VI
w o tribunal could be formed that would 90
mstice to the United States questions Oh I'D
iticai and territorial character were suo"''''e'
TO II. - continuing the prenarations
,o.en. Ia enable her to enforce her demands
Sha had long line Of Notifications on the A.
PM s sna boa rd from Newfoundland to our lowest
t l,,,dd ON the Pacific Coast she was likewise
cvsaSsd and annually making large 'ppr no
Pn,gHt we ought not to get into any entahsilhs
finances where Great Britain mignt nave al! e"-
ehia" ~ coerce us II she had the power
In the further course OF his remarks Mr S'ewu h
txrrad 10 Article VI OF the treaty relative 10 he
tsinment OF territorial claims. which provides tnat