The Saint Paul globe. (St. Paul, Minn.) 1896-1905, 1897-11-19

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But is was not the solitary they using
now?" mo, SIR
40g gave S9ns r rec as to the
.,d Have they been earried out and followed
some of them have"
you say in the report, that you examined
| Douglas, Davis and Anderson, and numer-
GUS other witnesses in Minneapolis and St
Paul in your report to the legslature?"
That would be the report OF Mr.. Trip and
Mr.. Reyes"
'You say that you examined witnesses in
jort and signed it upon the say SO of Keyes
and Trip, as to what they had heard upon
the examinations" $50 far as that is con-
cerned, upon the examination Of witnesses
| outside l made that explanation on speak
ing of our report, verbally. So far as my
report went, 1t was for specific acts"
In this report you say, that in the case
of Anderson, it is clearly established that
Lemon struck him good many times heavy
blows?" Eyes, sir
Mr.. Penney-Do you know, of your own
personal knowledge whether or not in 1898,
an investigation was commenced in the sem
! ate for charges preferred for cruelty against
Mr; Lemon? II was not member Of the
| legislature of 1893, but l was in the CITY at
une time, and believe such an investigation
| was commenced"
There was some argument as to whether
| Mr.. Feig should betray the routine of the
| secret testimony, even merely as to whether
same men afterward. 1t was finally decided
that the commission should protect the wit
nesses, Douglas being still parole.
AUSTIN WAS A GUARD.
| G. P. Austin, of 7O1 East Fourth street,
was the next witness.
! By Mr.. Penney
What is your name?" &c. P. AUSTIN
How long have you lived in this slater
Fifteen years.
&c You were connected with the state prison
=. How long did you continuously serve
there?" Until the last week in April, this
year; From 1887 to 1897, ten years, as guard
| all the tome.''
Inside, or wall guard?" "All around"
During the last few years have you served
! wall when l discharged"
Did you at any time have charge of the
third grade prisoners?" II had that lock"
What do you mean by that7" Il would
How many third grade men on your
| lock?" 81 think there has been as low as
one, and from that up to twenty. Wouldn't
average more than ten
The third grade prisoners were the lowest
! grader" Yes, sir
They were the ones supposed to be hard
cases, hard to manager They were there
They had been degraded in rank?" Eyes,
What experience did you have with those
third grade prisoners, covering how long
| period?" ut was some time but 1 cannot
| give any date. Several months"
Mr. austin; during your entire experience
| as guard in the prison, have you known Of
any case, personally where, in your judg
ment 1t became and was necessary to beat,
brulse or terribly punish prisoner since you
have been there-or since 1891, in the last
| six years?" well, there are different judg-
ments about this punishment business"
Was 1t, in your Judgment, necessary to
| terribly beat, bruise or pound a prisoner
Il don't think it necessary to beat and pound
prisoner"
HAS any case, during your experience in
| the prison, come under your examination,
! personally, where 1t was necessary, in your
| judgment. to beat, bruise, or terribly
pound a prisoner for any offence committed
| there. If you have any there?' II don't
| know that have"
ONLY IN SELF DEFENSE.
I'm your judgment, it is not necessary to
| pound prisoner anyhow" There may be-
OF course, some cases where a man is dan
gerous one, where guard or an officer
| would have to use some severe means in or
der to protect themselves
But, with the exception of such cases, you
know know Of no other cases where beating or
| pounding is necessary" NO SIR
| Have you at any time during the last
six or seven years, while you were there as
a guard, seen Deputy Lemon strike beat or
man named Tressler; do you now recall, Mr.
Austin, of any that came under your
personal observation, that you saw, where
SUBSEQUENT to 1872 II don't know that I
have any more than this, than to take hold
of mans coat collar and give him a good
anything of that kind. I have not seen him
kick or beat man since 1891 that L would
call very brutal"
did you see any other officer of the pris-
on?" 1.-THE only thing, at the time Hahn was
brought out; l was back by the third grade
lock, and he came out on the north side of
the cell room. 1 first noticed him by the
noise and tussing the corridor there, and,
| looking down that way, saw they had a pris-
oner there. l think it was Glennon and
Parker. 1t seems to me there was another
man also, but those two were the only ones
l noticed particularly who had hold of him.
They hustled him along lively they
could. | did not see any. one strike him.
All did see was Colligan kick him, or kick
at him. Could not see whether he kicked
him.
''Where was Hahn at the timer" 81 don't
| know, [ could not them. l could not see
anything. They just pulled him in then"
You could not see Hahn, but you saw
Colligan kicking something?" yes, sir the
last thing saw was Colligan kicking some
thing. I did not see but one kick"
Had you seen Hahn just before that
timer" All 1 saw was just from that dis
| lance"
when was this Tressler matter you spoke
to me about?" THAT was when Garvin first
came, prior to 1891"
This Tressler matter related to l. and
| T?' ''Yes, SIR
EWING WAS NOT ON THE WALL
| Ola you KNOW MI Ewing Wnen Inere Z.
yes SIR
was he on the wall all the timer mo,
not all the time
Where was he engaged besides on the
WALTZ" HE seemed to have been operating
as a supernumerary."
GO wherever they put him." Eyes, sir"
do you know whether Benner, the stew
arl, left the prison at any time, and was
discharged?" II knew it by the bulletin
board. 1t said that Mr.. Benner was dis
charged for being absent without leave, and
being drunk and hanging around the saloons
in Minneapolis-that is as near as I can
recollect it. 1t seems to me he must have
been away in the neighborhood of six weeks.
There was another man working in his place
at that time"
WAS this man Hahn considered deficient
mentality" 81 called him a little off kind
of 'bughousy' as we termed it there"
Mr.. Nethaway-There are several around
that institution that a little off about
like Hahn? There were some who were
really off and some put 1t on"
"They have more or less trouble with those
fellows, do they. not, in making, them work
and obey the rules?" Eyes, sir"
Adjourned to 10 a. m. today.