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The Bryan daily eagle. (Bryan, Tex.) 1895-1898, 1897-01-30


wife In a little town near Bralnerd.
Nina. where Mr.. Katfon has taken her.
Their eourtahlp. which came about In
a singular manner. ended a day or 80
ago in Milwaukee Mr.. Kaison, being
arrived at that estate whore he might
with al prudence take unto himself
wife, cast his eye over the Minnesota
upland and saw not one dwelling where
a maiden dwelt The nearest town.
toe. he ransacked and found none fancy
free. Long days Of anxious piinderlng
brought TO him an idea. Mr. Katson
got an egg. sat himself down. and
wrote. Close and Grabbed were tho
marking Of the violet Ink on the pink
nuahed she'll Of the egg. but when all
was done this might be read in a good
lights
TO the woman Into whose hands
this may fall: lam a bachelor. young,
good-looklng. and with money in the
bank. and ! desir, a wife. Will you
have me? live on my farm here,
who're ! am prosperous and have a
steady income. The money Ia the
bank Is enough 10 secure me and mine
against want IN two bad seasons, and
am OF a loving disposition. This IL
The only method have Of reaching a
eood housewife. l. d. Kaison. p. o..
bralncrd. MINI"
niss zaensn Reads the Message
In a case 81 eggs he placed hia love
message. Tho exprcssman shot the
case aihwari In his car and the dray-
man dropped q kerplunck on the side
walk OF the commission house. but the
egg broke not. The Gambler took time
90 smile and think OF things far away
when The tender words met bis eye.
The great stream Of commerce, with rs
dozens Of radlatlng branches. seized
the oEg and carried It TO the little or
ihe-maln-road store Of Mira Levlson AZ
Maxwell street and Newberry avenue,
Chicago. Her daughter. Nina Click
man. glrl-llkc. seized on the love mes
sage Her friends and she laughed ov-
81 Il and told brave stories Of the let
tcrs they would write. and some OF
them did write Among them Miss
Sarah zuenen. who lived Just south Of
TIE little grocery. sent a photograph
and a letter. The summer came and
letters became things Of every day 10
Mr. l. d. Katson on the Minnesota
prairie. and the little girl In stufiy
Neuberry avenue. The fall brought to
NJ. Kaison thoughts Of the long winter
and ~ lonesome stretches Of unchang-
ing days and nights. and he sent. BY
express this time. a sparkling ring.
Met and Married.
The ring was not returned. and when
The beginning Of the snow season was
upon him Mr.. Kaison urged TIE nam
lnf Of the day. He went 10 Chicago "a
rsl Il, and Mr.. and Mrs. Zuenen, lg'
norant Of the long and loving CORES
pondence. were surprised TO see Z
strange young man call on Sarah twice
and then vanished. 20 they thought nc
more about a. But one day last wcel
Sarah Whispered a secret In the earl
Of her Flrl friends. So that night sh'
suddenly left for Milwaukee. Each
friend 10 whom things had been wills
pered, bought 4 bushel Of eggs. anc
The Bryan daily eagle. (Bryan, Tex.) 1895-1898, 1897-01-30

Patriotic
Booker-would yon like these books
bound In Ruaslai 8mlth-No. Amer
lea viii do.-Nsv YORK Herald
The Bryan daily eagle. (Bryan, Tex.) 1895-1898, 1897-01-30

pie. with the elder members he was
not less popular. The fact that he was
a bachelor seemed to make him all the
more a favorlte among the young la
dies. Pastor sanft. however. proved
invuinerable 10 the many fond glancea
given him by the young ladies' o. the
church. His heart had beea given to
hia chiefs daughter, and soon the en-
gagement Of himself and Miss Burk-
hard was announced. Shortly after
ward lie was made permanent assistant
pastor Of the chnrah.
The Bryan daily eagle. (Bryan, Tex.) 1895-1898, 1897-01-30

Mis- Frieda Burkhard, daughter ol
Pastor George Burkhard. Of ziOnI
Evangelical Lutheran Church. Jersey
CITY. and the Rev. A. @. 8anft. wer'
married TIE ether night Al the bedside
Of ne brides father. whose death wal
nomentarily expected
The groom Is assistant pastor Of ne
church. Prior 70 her marriage The
Bride vas a teacher In Public School
Ne. 20.
The MARRIAGE II q touching ending "a
q pretty romance that began last
sprlng. Al that time Pastor Burkhard.
Who had laborod faithfully for many
years with bis congregation. began TO
break down.
A rouehlnr Romance.
Tho congregation. although be made
no complaint. uefo not blind 20 bis
lllnc,s. ana gave him en- extended va
cation. Before be could perfect ar
aneemenia 10 enjoy BIS wcll-eafned
feHi. TIE paaior was ,aken dangerously
81. and enc Sunday. while delivering
z sermon. Was prosiFatcd. A meeting
q lhe church ol1claia was hurriedly
called. and Rev. william sanlt. Who
bad been N tia coan,ry but . short
tlne. and vac Nal n uusat oi q pull
~. We r.l'la b temporarily al Pas
1.f naI11aIdA place ytunE nan
&|N1I'f, ranIM NHn.A Iaan attained
At,' li.1l4 t@.1i' rs sssrr -
The Bryan daily eagle. (Bryan, Tex.) 1895-1898, 1897-01-30

Pastor Burkhard was taken alarm
lngly III. and the other night he was
brought ci0se to deaths door by a
parafftie stroke. Then. as II had been
Miss Burkhard's desire TO be married
during her fathers lifetime. II was de-
cided to perform the ceremony at once
and at his bedside.
keH. Randolph c. Luhfs. Of Jersey
City. one OF Pastor Burkhard's closest
friends. was hurriedly summoned and
the ceremony quickly performed. The
stricken father gave his blessing 10 the
couple. whose happiness was cloaded
By his illness.
The Bryan daily eagle. (Bryan, Tex.) 1895-1898, 1897-01-30

fhen she sends a Letter to the Yearn-
Ing AUTHOR courtshlp BY Mail Follows
"A Deathbed Marriage May aud Ne
ssmhes.

HE particulars Of a
pretty romance
we're given out the
other day in chlca-
80. The AFFAIR IN a
strange one. Il Is
the story OF the
hearts Of Miss sar-
all Zuenen and Mr..
u D Katson. She
was a Chicago
billie. though she
The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1897-01-29

Theodore Hoffman, and the stamps
were taken at once to the furnaces.
near which were standing Postmaster
General Dat and Stanley Gibbons Of
the large firm of Stanley Gibbons a.
Co., stamp dealers.
One of the four furnaces was opened
and the envelopes were thrown in.
Immediately the steam gauge dropped
10 points.
Next came bunch of 10000 dollar
stamps, and the gauge went up 15
points, while Mr.. Gibbons gazed at the
doors of the furnace with a sorrowful
look
After this the stamps were thrown
in promiscuously, Louis Kenake acting
as chief fireman and the remainder of
those present as the chief mourners.
After about Is minutes time a block
of scent blues was taken out to see
how much 1t had been burned. To the
surprise of all it was merely charred
around the edges, and some of those
present wanted just a sample. The
bunch was broken up and put back in
the furnaces.
1t was thought by many that the
sheets of stamps, upon being put into
the furnaces, would be drawn up the
smokestack and distributed over the
streets to gladden. many hearts, but
no hearts were gladdened, for the
sheets were in punches, and when the
heat struck them the stick substance
did it's work, as was shown by the
scent stamps mentioned above. Then
again, the hampers were closed, and
escape up the stack was impossible.
They say that there were many anx-
ious faces on the outside of the build
ing.
1t took about two hours to complete
ly incinerate the mass of stamps and
and taken all in all, it was
one of the most successful jobs ever
done here. There wasn't a hitch from
to end
At rough estimate, about 100000
worth of stamps and envelopes were
burned yesterday, something over
s4O,0 900 having been sold since June
30, 1896 AS soon as the committee
makes it's report, which will be in
lay or so, the exact figures will be
given.
The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1897-01-29
Insane Chinanan.

An insane Chinaman was arrested
in the neighborhood of Sing Logs
store, King street, by two officers last
night He was caught while running
out into the street wrapped in quilt
and sheet and singing out in English,
Hawaiian and Chinese against Sing
10y. He seemed to be completely 1ut
of his mind When taken to the police
station he jumped up and down, con-
tinuing his imprecatious against Sing
10y and when once in the cell he be-
came more and more violent, on ac-
count of his condition, the name of the
Chinaman could not be ascertained.
The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1897-01-29
PRAYER for Colleges.

The day of prayer for schools and
colleges was observed yesterday after
noon at Oahu College by appropriate
service. Many friends of the institu-
Rev. DR.. Bishop the students were adj
dressed by Rev. Dr.. Hyde, Chief JUS
tice Judd, Rev. Mr.. Brine, Hon. w.
r. Castle, Rev DR.. Bingham, Rev. DR..
Gulick, Principal Richards of Kameha-
meha, and Mr.. w w. Hall. Profess
sor ingalls, presided at the organ.
Exercises were also held at the Pu-
nahou Preparatory School.
The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1897-01-29
Assault and Battery.

Peter Pedro, whose name has been
mentioned before in the columns of
this paper, was arrested yesterday
morning on a warrant sworn out by
his wife The Pedro family live i'll
Kikihale, a district whose atmosphere
seems to be conducive to brawls and
general unpIeasantness. Early yester-
day morning Pedro got into dispute
with his wife which ended in fight.
The husband took advantage of his
wife's weakness and beat her unmerci-
fully, so that when she arrived at the
police station her face was one mass
of bruises and her right eye was swol-
len so as to close it completely. DIR.
Emerson attended to her injuries and
Pedro was locked up to be tried in the
police court for assault and battery
this morning.
The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1897-01-29

City Carriage Company have removed
to the Corner of Fort and Merchant
SITS. Telephone No. lib. First-class
Carriages at all hours.
JOHN s. ANDRADE
The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1897-01-29
STAMP CREMATOR
Hawaiian Electric Company Fires
Utilized Yesterday.
POSTAGE STAMPS INCINERATED
Local Stamp Fiends Get
100000 Worth of Joy.
Carrying Out Law of Last LegiS-
lature-Stamps VIII Now In
crease in Value.
JOINT RESOLUTION.

Be 1t Enacted by the Legislature of The
Republic of Hawaii:
The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1897-01-29
Hawaii on Horseback.

C.. Hedemann, manager of the Homo
lulu Iron Works, and Give Davis will
leave by the Mauna Loa this morning
for business and pleasure trip to Ha-
wall. In Kona they will take horses
and make the circuit of the island TO
Hilo. Mr.. Hedemann will take advan-
tage of the trip by calling on all the
plantation managers and acquainting
himself with the condition OF their
mills and their requirements.
The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1897-01-29
SPECIAL BUSINESS ITEMS.

THE SINGER received 81 first
awards for Sewing Machines and en-
broidery work at the Worlds Fair,
Chicago. Ill, being the largest number
Of awards obtained by any exhibitor,
and more than double the number Civ
en- to all other Sewing Machines. For
sale, lease and rent. Repairing done
B. BERGERSEN, lib Bethel Street.
The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1897-01-29

Be it resolved, by the Senate and
House of Representatives That on and
after December 81, 1896, the sale OF
postage stamps, postal cards and
stamped envelopes, issued previous &c
the present issue, shall cease at the
Post Office, after which date all, if any,
that may remain will be destroyed,
and the President shall appoint a COM
mittee of three disinterested persons,
who shall serve without pay, to act
with the Minister of Finance and Post
master General, for the purpose Of
checking off all remaining stock on
that date, and see that the part of this
resolution realizing to the destroying
of same is strictly carried out.
Approved his 9th day of May A. D.
1896 SANFORD B. DOLE,
President of the Republic of Hawaii
In accordance with the above reso-
luton the remainder of the following
stamps and envelopes, representing
the inventory of Provisional Govern
ment surcharged (over-printed) ON
hand June 80, 1896, and which had coz
lected in the Post Office during the
reigns of King Kalakaua and Queen
Liliuokalani, were destroyed yesterday
morning by being burned in the fur
mace at the Hawaiian Electric Com
pany:
2-cent violet, 9,4OO sheets, SO stamps
to sheet.
scent light blue, 6,375 sheets, so
stamps to sheet.
1O-cent chocolate, 1,765 sheets, 80
stamps to sheet.
12-cent black, 2,122 sheets, so stamps
to sheet.
1S-cent lake, 1,34O sheets, so stamps
to sheet
1S-cent lake, 719-40.5O sheets, unsur-
charged, so stamps to sheet.
50-cent red, 474 sheets, so stamps to
sheet.
1OO-cent red, S72 sheets, so stamps
to sheet.
STAMPED ENVELOPES.
scent envelopes, 1884.
10-cent envelopes, II 1928.
OBSOLETE STAMPS, HAWAIIAN
GOVERNMENT
2-cent reprint, LOOT sheets, Is stamps
% sheet.
5-cent reprint, 55 sheets, 20 stamps
% sheet.
scent specimen, 10 sheets, 20
stamps to sheet.
13-cent specimen, $50 sheets, 20
stamps to sheet.
13-cent reprint, AS sheets, 20
stamps to sheet.
All Wednesday afternoon the COM
nittee appointed by the President and
of Lieutenant Colonel Soper,
". NJ Giffard and F. L. Stoltz, to-
,ether with members of the Treasury
md Post Office Departments were
)usy with the work of counting the
stamps and envelopes which were
placed in six mail bags and sealed.
About $50 yesterday morning the
tamps were transferred from the
Treasury Department, in the Execu-
i've building, to the works of the Ha
vaiian Electric Company in the bag
age wagon of Manuel Comes, who does
III the transferring of mails for he
Post Office Department. A procession
vas formed with Minister Damon and
Colonel Soper heading it in a hack,
lext came the stamps, with Louis T.
<enake in charge, and following n
mother hack were Messrs. F. L. StoIz
md W. NJ. Giffard.
Upon arrival at the Electric Works
he party was met by Superintendent
The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1897-01-29

Continued on Fifth Page.)
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1897-11-09
WORK or POLICE MATRONS.

Mrs NJ J. Tilinghast and Mrs. c. Mills. matrons
g., tho Central Police Station at Providence. II. H.
give some Interesting facts in regard TO tAeir WORK
in their annual report, recently handed IN 10 the
State president and members OF ,he Womens Chris
tan Temperance Union. Eight hundred ard forty
four women were arrested by the police ana turned
over IN ne care OF the for the year ending
october 1897, The prime cause or the arrests was
in, crnernncr. The report states that many OF
no nrIsoners were young girls. arrested !or the
Grst time. The matrons keep these PitiaDle cases
awav from the women who are oder and more
Jennlv dyed with sim and do al In their power to
vert n retaining influence. The Womcn's Chris
,i,n T,nDerance Union and the Providence Rescue
fJomc Greatly encourage and assist the mItrons In
iheIr work The reports Of Matron Mary \. Mcgee
- VVcnnsocket and OF Marion Mary 9. FittZ OF
Central Falls. are similar 10 those OF the Provi-
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1897-11-09
PM DELTA PHI DINNER.

The November dinner OF the Phi Delta I'M IN.
club took place At the Mariborough iio'eI '",'
night Frank Moss. president Of the Ponce hoarn'
was tho guest OF tn, evening Among W. i'e'''
bers Of the club present were Norman D. "','",
- - pu,,ordeld Charles Martin Camp. Paul
!, ma rorest Edward r. FalloWs. g. IS. Halock
Horny ". Jessup. Herbert W. knight hooe't
stewart. Paul T.. Towne. Jacob Washburn ana
Henry J. Wehlc Mr. Moss was expected 10 mase
n speech going into details OF the working OF inc
Police Department as well "a "A few commons on
the possible future OF the Department uh''' ,"'"
rn,ry rue But he confined his remarks when
49,. TT, IN a sketch OF the working OF the De-
rar,ment since h. became connected with = Noi-
man j Marsh presided Al the dinner ana ts" III nu.
promptu remarks were made - h''" ""' Wv
oral other members OF the CLUB
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1897-11-09
BONDS FOR THE NAIL OF EDUCATION.
THE BOARD TO HAVE NEW QUARTERS. AT A COST
OF $2Joooo-MoRE THAN THE INTEREST
WILL BE SAVED IN RENTALS

THE BOARD TO HAVE NEW QUARTERS. AT A COST
OF s2Jo.ooo-MoRE THAN THE INTEREST
WILL BE SAVED IN RENTALS.
The Board OF Estimate and Apportionment zee.
terday authorized the issue OF bonds 10 tho amount
of s2ii9o0 fer building new Hall OF Education At
Park-ave. and Fifty -ninth-st. This project has
been before three Boards OF Esmat" for nine
years while outside quarters have been rented for
the Board OF Education.
Commissioner Little appeared before the Board
and argued FOR the building. He said that Il
would cost in the heighborhood OF 10000 The
building Is to be eight stories high. with elevators
and heating and lighting apparatus Of the finest
kind
Controller Fitch seemed 10 oppose the building.
but voted for II In the end. lie wanted to know
tho building OF this hall would interfere In any
way with the construction OF new sohoolhouses
Mr. Little SAID II would not, as IL would be an en-
trely separate affair. 20 be paid for by an issue
Of bonds authorized by the Legislature some years
ago. The Board OF Education has been holding
$4,000 Of this authorized issue for the hall.
waiting to get the permission OF the Board Of Esti.
mate lie said that after this hall had been built
the Beard could put the balance OF thi. money
into common schools. He showed that the city IL
now paying I'm rentals more than the interest on
the money required 10 build the hall.
Controller Fitch said that In the present crampe4
quarters the Board of Education had done the best
work IN the last few years that II had ever done.
lie referred sarcasticAly 10 the new clubhouse"
The Board voted t2ocoo for a now schoolhouse IN
One-hundrsd Observation-Disclosures. near Second,aye.
The reasons for passing ne provisional estimate
men: with the request that IL pass the estimate as
as D0ss a h nq r may bt se or
ton OF the Anal estimates by December l. II 10
the intention Of the present Board 10 assist the
new charter Board much possible by having
the estimates ready 10 hand over by January !.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1897-11-09
NINETEENTH CENTURY CLUB DISCUSSIONS

The Nineteenth Century Club. founded by the
late Courtlandt Palmer for the fun and free dis
cussion OF public questions. will hold SIX recep.
lions at Sherry's this winter, on the following
dates: Thursday evenings. November II, December
Q, January g. February 10. March 10. and April IT,
The topic for the reception next Thursday evening
is The Results Of Ten Years OF Municipal Prog
ress" and the speakers are HAGEN s. Pingree.
Governor OF Michigan. and Herbert Welsh OF Phil
alelpha one Of the leaders OF the National Munici-
pal League Other discussions are arranged 40
follows
December why Is Systematic Charity Dis
lked?" by Miss Jane Adams. OF Hull House. Chi
cago and Robert Treat Paine. OF Boston
January Is. lsss-"An Evening Near the MOTIF
Pole" when It Is hoped DIR. Nansen wiz DC tne
guest of the club and addresses VIII b. delivered
by General A. W Greedy. Herbert J.. Bridgmaii
Lieutenant Robert f. Ptary and Professor hoiano
ID Salisbury our American explorers. ,,.,,.
FEBRUARY i0-"Is the Growing Demand tor ruomo
controI of Franchises Justified" by josiah quincy.
of Boston DR. T. @. Robertson, OF 'a'noi .oa,
University. England. and Henry u. Lloyd oil 'h'-
March lo-"Ought Public Bodies TO RecogniIc ime
Dortrine of the Living Wage" by sainu,i nonlss
pers OF the American Federation of LABOR b'mM, ,'
Atkinson Of Boston, and Professor T.. H. ~ Se"s'
man OF Eew-YOrk r.. ct.,,ia,i,v
April 1.-THE Relation Of the Free cireuia,,ns
Iibrary 10 the Community" by heThei, = uu't -
librarian OF Boston Public Library. ana heh'' -
Rowland OF New-York.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1897-11-09
CHILDREy WE'LL BORN.
THE NURSERY. d"

The Mothers Club OF Syracuse is in the midst OF
'norouSh ana energetic work. At their last meet
ing Dr. Elmer keeler read interesting and valu-
able paper o. 'Humanl,y's Greatest Need" This
he declared is the knowledge and practise which
would lead 10 children being well born Being en-
oowed with the qualities tina, would NJ them for
the highest and truest living which they have re-
ssised from birth from noble mothers would insure
a q, nation or thoroug1breds ana such advance in
S'TIizauon as now we can only imagine"
ne insisted that there are Jaws governing This
s;u important ireroga.lve and Il sh0nld he our
can 20 ma out what these laws are ard how they
nnth oe maze practically effective He called upon
fSa, 10 realize their responsibilities and showed
.ney have no right TO cloud the lives Of their
Ara or make them less effective by inattention
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1897-11-09
THE JUVENILE LEAGUE.
LITTLE HELPERS IN THE sTREET-CLEAN-
ING AND ANTI-RUBBIsH DEPARTMENT.

ING AND ANTI-RCBBISH DEPARTMENT
The Juvenile Street Cleaning and Anti Rubbish
League OF the East River School OF the Children
Aid Society held an interesting meeting last week
In the assembly rooms OF the school nj No pa
East Forty-fourth-si A feature OF the exercises
was a consultation" by the members OF the club
IN which the difficulties encountered in their en-
deavors TO aid in keeping sidewalks and streets
clean were brought out. and suggestions were Of
fered by which those difficulties might be over
one little girl told how she had remonstrat ted
with womGn for throwing banana skins upon the
sidewalk. and reminded her that she violating
"A law. The woman, giving angry look at the
girl said What does Kid like you know about
such things. anyway
The secretary OF the League. ten year-0ld girl
told VIVA, had been accomplished In the las, month
by the members In picking up rubbish ana skins
from tho Sidewalks ana streets. The song. "IIuT-
rah for Colonel Waring, and his white angels too &"
WAS sung with enthusiasm by the entire school
This greatly pleased Commissioner Waring who
was present and he addressed the children con
and encouraging them TO continue In the good
work. lie told them that as men and women they
would be better citizens for having taken interest
I'm public affairs I'm carly life, and that they would
be happier theII, because they would have more
beautiful city. live in. and this. result. in
part. Of the assistance they had given TO good gov
eminent.
\ snort address made by Mrs. Mary r.
Trautman. Among those present were Emily L..
Wakeman. Katherine G. Foote. Mrs. Rudolph l..
Schainwald. Mrs. George Cabot Ward and Moore
Dupuy,
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1897-11-09
TINE CERAMIC ART SOCIETY.

The New-York Society Of Ceramic Arts held its
roc,,a, monthly mee.!NG yesterday ut the Waldorf.
Tho nresident. NM lie Prince presided. and ar
ranpements were made for the exhibition. which
O. "a no hold M the Waldorf on November -. -
"a -. An informal reception. at which Charles
p,,r. ~ London England. the guest OF honor.
foiowed the meeting: Other guests were Johannes
cnhnma cher OF ST. Louis; r. Junior. his business
neananar, Miss Bell. OF San Francisco, and Georges
1870 ex-secretary OF the French Minister OF Fine
Ar,s and Professor at the University OF the lily
of New-YoTk. ,. Of tho so
,.t, az Tho business session. and viii exhinl, AZ
,bo ex hihtion. lie has new system OF pam
chIna With * ray colors. Mr.. ScnuInacnsl :
father is chief decorator IN the ho'"'
Works - ,,h,,od and Mr.
Rims talked informally about 1t TO those VIM 'e'
interested In the subject