The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1897-11-30

quested me TO help her to dispose of the
body. l went upstairs and helped to un-
dress the body. Then we carried IL to the
plaster paris. When / came back she be-
gan cutting up the body. After it had been
dsmembered she went out for a while. as IL
was very warm in there.
ION her return we incased the head in
the plaster paris We brought away the
dead mans clothes in a bundle. The saw.
knife and revolver were in the bundle with
the clothes. We took the car to the Sec
ond-street ferry. over which we crossed
10 New York. threw the head overheard
while the boat was crossing the river Then
we went to Mrs. Nacks house in Ninth
avenue, where she burned the clothes in
a cooking stove.
The witness then told of the surrey ride
on the following day. Saturday June rs.
and the disposition of the other portions
OF the remains. which were wrapped up
in oilcioth, cheesecloth and paper which
Mrs. Mack had purchased prior TO her visit
TO the cottage on June .. the day of the
killing. Thorn told of his meetings with
the, woman after this. and how Mrs Mack
had made preparations to go to Europe.
She met him on Tuesday night, june 30,
and the following day he learned from the
papers that she had been arrested.
lie explained his conversation with
Gotha. He said that he had told Gotha
that Mrs. Mack killed Guldensuppe, and
also told the barber how the body was
cut up and disposed of. He told Gotha of
nus intention to give himself up to the
police, but Gotha asked him to wait. He
gave Gotha some pawn tickets and made
an appointment to meet him the following.
night. Thorn kept the appointment and
was arrested During his conversation with
captain o Brien. Thorn said he told the
detective some truths and some falsehoods
THE CROSS EXAMINATION.
During cross-examination Mr.. Weller in
several ways tried to get the prisoner wit
ness TO write his name on sheet of paper
Mr.. Howe objected. and was sustained by
Justice Maddox. AS TO the hiring of and
getting the keys of the cottage Thorn was
closely questioned. He said there Were five
or SIX Keys altogether. but it was not shown
whether there was more than one for the
street door. Thorn gave false name and
business to the proprietor of the cottage,
ne said. because Mrs, Mack did not want
any one to know that he was living with
her. Later on he said Mrs. Mack accom-
panied him to the cottage the day he paid
the rent. Thorn said that Mrs Mack gave
MIN the gold watch and chain the day after
the Killing. 1t had belonged to Cyllden-
suppe: Thorn could not say how Mrs. Mack
got the oil cloth and other stuff to the
cottage when she only got the keys from
him on the night of June "a. She must
have brought them with her when she
brought Guldensuppe to the cottage that
morning. June %. He never bought any
cheese cloth and did not tell Gotha that he
did. Mrs. Mack left the cottage about 4
o'clock and came back an hour later. They
then took two. of the parcels with them.
Thorn again acknowledged that he had lied
to Captain O Brien when he said he was
playing pinOchle at Thirty-fOurth street and
Eleventh avenue on the day of the killing.
He said that he did ii for the purpose of
establishing an alibi and to save the woman
well as himself.
In the further cross-examination Thorn
said that the most money he ever received
he paid for the rent of the Woodside cot
tage. After the arrest of Mrs. Mack he
spent his days in New Jersey and only
came to New York at night. He knew
4fCnGtDnfinR him
for five weeks but never showed him a
stietto. He never had stiletto or dag
ger. Keehn showed him a stiletto but the
witness never tried to buy 1t from him. He
never talked of noiseless cartridges to
Keehn.
Thorn was asked regarding a letter which
was taken from him by Sheriff Don't. Thorn
had tried to destroy the letter, but the of
ficers rescued it. In 1t he asked Mrs. Mack
to testify as he told her and he would send
her some word before the trial.
Then you were assisting In framing the
defense?' asked Mr.. Weller.
Yes certainly" was Thorn's reply.
And you were doing all you could to
ccVer up the crime?
Yes, did all could. said Thorn
Thorn said the reason he told Gotha that
Mrs. Mack committed the murder was be-
cause he thought he could trust him as
friend. This finished the cross-examinatlon.
A FORGED LETTER.
Mr. Howe began his redirect examination
by showing Thorn a telegram, purporting
on June 49, 1t was written in German, and
translated, it read: please go to where
have worked and tell them l will not re-
turn. as l am going travelling. letter will
follow" Thorn said he wrote it at the re-
quest of Mrs Mack.
Mr. Howe tried to bring in part of the
evidence of Mrs. Mack in the mistrial in
reference to her opening the door of the
he Guild
suppe there. At that time the woman swore
she opened a door with key which Thorn
gave her the night before. The district at
torney objected to Mr.. Howe referring 10
the Testimony of Mrs. Mack or using uany
of it before the jury. The court sustained
the objection.
Howe by going back to the ross-examin-
alton, as the interpreter had come into the
court with typewriter copies OF transla :
tions of two letters which Mrs. Mack wrote
TO Thorn and one written to her by Thorn
while in the Queens county prison. These
have been printed before. Mrs. Mack sug-
eested that they get something 70 end their
lives with. Thorn in his letter said he had
a prescription which. if it could be hlled,
would end his life. He did not wish her to
die: he wanted to see her free.
You were willing to die yourself and save
the woman?" asked Mr.. Weller.
Yes. sir. said the prisoner. Il loved her
and was willing to die for her.
The prosecution seemed taken by sur
prise by Thorns statement. In this letter,
which never reached Mrs Mack, as II WAS
captured by the officers, Thorn, said: IF
there is no way out of it | will see to 1t
that l shall only suffer and you will go
free.
rested.
Mrs Valley was recalled. and said she
saw Mrs Mack leaving the cottage about
twenty minutes after she had gone III with
the man i'm light suit. She saw Thorn
about u o'clock enter the cottage.
Three witnesses testified to seeing Mrs.
Mack at her home on Ninth avenue, in this
city. on the afternoon of June %.
This closed the case for the people and
the defense. The court adjourned until half
past tomorrow morning.