The Saint Paul globe. (St. Paul, Minn.) 1896-1905, 1897-11-22

son move along?' For the purpose of
making him go on"
The committee then questioned Mr.
Fseig as to his own views of discipline,
| and he testified that he thought soli-
| tary confinement would be, and then,
| returning to facts, and not theories,
! the examination was continued.
Did you see anything over there
! you have not told about" What l
remember is that testimony was given
| by cOnvicts and by Mr.. Lemon"
I'VE want to hear everything
Mr.. Feig-In the first place, when we
! got back we requested to nave THESE
convicts that were in solitary conflne-
ment, have them brought out to Mr..
Garvm. He appropriated a room iof
i us in which to conduct the examina-
ton. We requested them to bring one
of the convicts. We were asked if We
| had any particular choice as to any
one of them? We said they could
bring any one they had mind TO:
| The first convict they brought in, II
| my recollection serves me right, was
/ Douglass, and when he came IN he
! was in an apparent condition OF col
| lapse, and not only that way physi-
cally, but I formed my opinion
| What do you mean by collapse
! THAT he was hardly able' to support
! himself"
Have you ever seen this man
Douglass any time except that one
timer No, sir, never.
Are you aware he looks like man
| in a collapse?'' II should judge from
his physical frame that he is man
rather frail."
DO you know what Douglass is
there for?" Eyes. for robbing a bank
at Minneapolis and shooting after the
sheriff. What made me think he was
not only on the verge OF collapse
physically but also mentally was
the fact when we asked him how long
he had been in the solitary he dldn'
! remember the day he was put in there
nor he didn't remember the day when
we were there, what day it was.
Want.to relate another thing that TOOK
place. Before we proceeded to examine
| Douglass Mr.. Garvin protested against
our examining the cOnVlcts without MS
being present We told Mr.. GarVln we
would recognize his protest on our MIN
utes, but we asked him to excuse him
self, which he did Then he made no
further remark. but / am satisfied We
done the proper thing. l am satlshed
these convicts would not testify in the
presence of the officers to the facts;
that they would rather try to hide the
facts than try to bring them out, for
fear of more harsh treatment.
HlSdSe tell us ever lIllliS llllo DObS2
lass testified?" I'VE examined Doug
lass in regard to the escape; if my
recollection serves me right he got out
of the gate and run down under some
buildings near the river, was followed
UP by some of the officers, and it was
Lemon who went under the building
and got him out and shot at hlm
Douglass claims that after he had Civ
en- himself up he struck him over the
wifi 10 b11tt of his revolver ana
inflicted a wound on his head. [ went
and examined the wound and saw the
wound apparently hadn't been dressed
This occurred on Wednesday afternoon
about o'clock and this was on Sat
urday forenoon, 1 think about o'clock,
! between 9 and 10, and we examined
him and the wound then apparently
had not been dressed yet. 1t was not
a very severe wound, but one that
ought to have been dressed at least
Did the man complain about the
fact that it hadn't been dressed? ?"
Yes. sir"
ITO you?" YES, sir; he said the
wound hadn't been dressed; [ asked
him and he said it hadn't been
dressed"
Did he ask to have it dressed?" "No
he didn't say anything about that. We
asked him whether he had been knock
ed down from the blow, but he said no;
he said the blow had stunned him
great deal; the effects of it show that
| it apparently did; then he was taken
back to the cell, or first to the BLACK
smith shop had ball and chain put
on him, then they put him in the soil
tary; after he was put in the solitary
and there suspended, then after they
| had him there in that condition the
deputy warden took his heavy cane and
Won i IL XIII
YOU that was Douglass testimony;
then we questioned him in regard 10
how long he had been suspended, he
testified that it was between the hours
of and in the afternoon, apparently,
that he had been put in there and
suspended and kept up there till about
6 or the next morning continuously.
''There was no testimony on his part
or that of any of the officers that was
to show that either of those convicts
had been let down at any time to
answer call of nature?' Il didn't
ask them that question, either; there
was nothing said"
"You thought they had been fastened
up there continuously Yes, ST. ana
| believe that yet
you say you didn't ask anybody?@
mo, sir"
why did you believe it?' Simply
because I don't know it; if 1 know it L
don't believe it"
BY Mr. Willis
you didn't form any belief except
from evidence?" yes, sometimes l
form my belief from what might be
So
BY Dr. Smith
you use the word belief in regard
to things you don't know anything
about?" II use the word in regard to
things (which 1 am not positive:
'Why did you think they had been
up there all the time without intermls-
sion?" .They said nothing about being
let down. nor the officers didn't When
we examined the officers
WAS there any stencil about these
convicts as they We're brought in?'
II was rot so close to them, but there
was not a very good odor that is sure.
I examined several of them they
hadn't bath since their attempt TO
escape: they were put in there in the
same grease they had in the machine
shop. it was still on their persons; they
hadn't had bath. and when we asked
the deputy warden what was the rea-
SON. he told us Saturday was bath
day. the conVicts would get their bath
Saturday. I suppose if we had come
on Sunday it would have been Mon
day Then we asked Douglass as 20
his diet. and he testified he received
half a slice of bread once a day-be-
fore I come to that-he had been sus-
pended between 3 and 4 o'clock in the
afternoon till about 6 or Z the next
morning. then let down half an hour.
according to his testimony, the officers
think for an hour, then suspended
again till noon and let down half an
hour In that half hour according TO