New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1897-02-27
CECIL RHODES THE STATE.
MORE STRIKING TESTIMONY BY THE Elk
PREMIER OF SOUTH AFRICA.
HIS MOVEMENT AGAINST THE BoER REPUBLIC
PROMPTED BY FEELING AGAINST GER
MANY-MR. LABoUcIIERE TAKES
THE. WITNESS IN HAND.

THE WITNESS IN HAND.
1ordon Feb 2s-The South African Committee OF
the House Of Commons. appointed to inquire '','o
the Jameson raid into the Transvaal. resumed ''s
sttings to-day. number Of Peers ana memoe' .
of the House OF Commons were present. pu' III
the first time since the inquiry began the Prince vi
Wales absent.
When the committee was called to order the eA-
animation Of Cecil Rhodes. formerly Premier OF the
Cane Colony was continued by Edward Blake.
Member of Parliament for the South DIVISION oi
Longford Mr.. Blake asked the Witness questions
concerning the alluson In the statement read by
him at the opening of the Inquiry as 10 the hh'eh
ton Of the Boer Government to INTRODUCES ioIeib"
influence into the Transvaa. Mr. Blake aooing
that he assumed Mr.. RhodeS hau aueau"'0 o
for the statement.
Mr.. Rhodes said that he had, but II ne shouid
state his reasons for his belief 1t might 90 marin
and cause irritation to friendly Power. Never
theless he absolutely did believe IT,
Mr. Blake then asked II Mr.. Rhodes ala not thi'iA
that his aiming to prevent another toreish ro"ei
from introducing It's influence into Africa was not
an immortal matter upon which he ought to have
consulted with his colleagues in the Cabinet OF the
Cape Colony and also with the Home Government
to which question Mr. Rhodes replied that ne couiu
only answer that he had not consulted either MS
colleagues or the Home Government In the matter
adding: You must remember that when we fed
IL
Grated and the Imperial Government gave Its maj
sanction to It,"
Mr. Rhodes admitted that he had Instructed
Rutherford Harris. his agent in London to COM
municate confdentially the plans of the secret
movement to certain persons in England, but ne
refused to give their names Mr. Rhodes was
asked whether he regarded his having a force ready
TO march into the Transvaal as consistent with his
position as Premier of the Cape Colony. and re-
piled that it for the committee to judge his
conduct. which did not appear to him to have been
inconsistent.
Mr.. Blake-Do you think that the end justified
the means?
Mr.. Rhodes-If had succeeded we should have
had union Of Africa, and the Chartered Com
pany would have profted greatly AS failed,
must take the responsibility. and hope that the
future will accomplish the union. also hope that
the committee, in It's deliberations, will take into
consideration the objects had in view
Mr.. Rhodes then examined by Mr.. Labou-
chere who asked him whether Germany the
Power he had believed to have been favored by
President KRUGER, to which question Mr.. Rhodes
answered. YES"
Mr.. Labouchere then asked the witness what evil
dence he had upon which to base his belief that
the Boer President was trying TO introduce Ger
man influence into the Transvaal and in reply Mr..
Rhodes read extracts from a speech delivered by
President Krtger before the German Club Of Pre-
tora, the occasion OF the birthday Of the Ger
man Emperor, in 1895, in which the Boer President
asserted that Great Britain had rellnquished her
claim OF suzerainty over the Transvaal. and de-
cared that he had been able to make treaty
with Germany so that If one nation tried to kick
the Transvaalers other nations would try TO stop
her. Mr.. Rhodes also said that he had reason for
belief tnat fresiaent ktuger ihtended oy ms
and confirm it without the sanction Of the Queen.
added was in favor of foreigners. Germans espe-
cially. at the expense OF the English
speech aftcr-dinner Grafton.
Mr. Rhodes-But President KRUGER drinks nothing
Mr. Rhodes added that the Transvaal Govern
mcnt had refused administrative places to all
fcrrns to import persons from Germany and Hol-
land to ill them. and had also given all the Boer
Transvaal ali products Of the cape Colony
The Of F. Gs in ass psS
in the Rechstag to commercial union OF the
political protectorate and the exclusion Of German
goods, and denied that a policy of protection eX-
"Protection." he said means bad factories and
bad articles for the benefit Of a privileged few:
mines they intended to employ Americans only, be-
10 n question by Mr. iabouchere as to the mean
ing Of the words 'civil rights as used by Mr.
warmth The Johannesburgers have no civil
rights. ard no body of Englishmen will ever re
upon tho,r civil rights"
Evidence showing the anmosity of the Transvaai
toward the cape Colony and Great Britain was in
PRODUCED. in the course of which Mr.. Rhodes took
from his pocket and read aloud long extract from
d speech I'm regard TO crete recently delivered in
the House Of Commons by Mr.. Labouchere. As ne
finished reading Mr.. Rhodes said: 81 quite agree
with Mr. Labouchere. and transfer the same sem
,iments expressed by him 10 the state OF affairs in
the Transvaal." This remark created laugh in
which Mr. Labouchere TONED.
The witness said that Mr.. Chamberlain, Secre-
tary OF State for the Colonies had absolutely
knowledge whatever Of the revolutionary move
mcnt, and this remark Mr.. Chamberlain said
that he would be very glad to answer any question
the subject.
The committee adjourned until next Tuesday.
During the examination OF Mr. Rhodes by Mr..
I.abOuchere the latter consuming sandwiches.
washing them down with water. while the ex-
Premier OF Cape Coloney regaNng himself