The San Francisco call., 1897-05-20


The story came to the Durrants, she be-
lieyed, through Harry Morse, who heard
it from Mrs. Thrasher, tc whom she had
told il.
Making another attempt 10 describe the
man VINO she said was with Minnie
Williams on the boat, she stated: His
hair was mixed with gray. He was nice
looking man and looket like some profess
sional man. His hair looked like dirty
reddish brown originally. Had peculiar
smile"
Asa matter of fact Dr. Gibson's hair is
black and curly and without a trace OF
grav.
When questioned relative to herself she
positively declined to give her maiden
name. but admitted that she had been en-
ployed as ''spotter" for the railroad COM
pany.
At one time she casually stated that
Minnie Williams had told her something
aoout Blanche Lamont, but when asked
to tell what this was, she refused to say.
She finally said she wanted 10 consult
some memorandum first and would re-
turn on the morrow to unburden herself
OF the secret. but her tomorrow is yet to
come.
Shortly before the interview conc uded
Chief Lees called the following gentlemen
into his office: Captain Bohen, Detecilve
Byram, Sergeant Moffitt, Officer Nc
Laughlin and Dr. Gibson, who had been
previously telephoned for. He asked MRS.
Schwai;Zer if any Of these gentlemen
looked like the man she saw on he boat.
She looked at them all and picked out
DR.. Gibson as the man who she said looked
like the one she saw on the boat, Dut she
would not say that IL was he. her selec-
ton was due, it is claimed, TO the scars
that showed on GIbson's neck, ana 10
which reference has been made in the pup
l.
ceedlngs.
Any one who has ever seen DR.. Gibson
W II readily notice that Mrs. SchWal!zer
description of him was widely at variance
with the facts, so far as height and hair
are concerned.
Her most conspicuous departure from
fact is, however, recorded In the following
assertion:
II went about year ago to Morgan's.
The same Old lady came to the door, ana
! spoke to her bout Minnie, and she said
the poor little child had gone away. rms
was pretty near year ago-about May,
1896. The old lady recognized me.
AS matter of fact on the very day that
Minnie Williams was murdered the Nor
gans were preparing to move into the
State of Washington and did so shortly
after
Apart from the intrinsic evidence that
Mrs. Schwa TIERS long deferred and pecu-
liar statement bears of being unworthy OF
credenoe, according to the opinion OF
Chief Lees there is other evidence to prove
that the man assertion of her story-the
presence of q gentleman, presumably Rev.
]. George Gibson, on the boat with Minnie
WIlliams-is false.
Before Pastor Gibson left Chief Lees
office on Tuesday tie latter asked him to
forward statement of his movements on
April II, 1895. This was received by Chief
Lees yesterday. 1t reads as follows:
"First-At the church about 8 O'CLOCK
A. NJ. =
"Second-At the Young Mems Chris
tian Association meeting, listening to the
Rev. Henry Varley.
"Third-Met George King and Mr..
Worth, our organist, as l was leaving the
church.
"Fourth-I went off with them for few
minutes conversation with them.
''Fifth-I got lunch at Ruten's restau-
rant, almost opposite where i room.
"S!xth-Went to my room and rested
till supper.
"Seventh-Got supper at the same place.
Left about P NJ
"Eighth-Went from the restaurant to
| the church. Left the church at 1880.
NINTH arrived at DR.. Vogels about
7:35.
"Tenth-Left DR.. VogePs at II :15 P. NJ.
''Eleventh-Three young people saw me
home from the Christian Endeavor meet
ing at DR.. Vogers at IL :15 P. NJ.
"Twelfth-The landlady heard me pass
into my room.
come out about O'Clock in the morn ing.
[See CALL of April Is. 1895.
II write this in big hurry and hope 1t
| is what you want"
This history of the day as spent by Glib.
son is verified by the testimony of others.
1t was also shown during the hearing of
the Minnie Williams case that it was
few minutes of s o clock when the girl
left the home of Mrs. A. d. Voy, where
she had gone after coming to this side
! from Alameda on the fatal 18th of April
to go to the meeting at DR.. Vogel's. And
the fact of DR.. Glbson's arrival at VogePs
long before that time is positively testified
! TO by a number of people. This is pointed
to IS being conclusive of Gibson having
nothing to do with the killing of the
young girl.
But there is reliable evidence in the
hands of Chief Lees to absolutely dis.
prove the assertion that Minnie Williams
was accompanied by gentleman on the
boat while coming from Alameda.
Three persons are ready TO testify to
this fact. They have not heretofore
figured in the case at all.
One of these is Mrs. Witty, whose hus-
band kept a barber-shop near Gobey's
saloon.
She said that she came over on the
evening of the 18th of April, 1895, on the
boat with the Williams girl. She said
what attracted her to the girl was that
she had lot of beautiful flowers. Mrs.
Witty looked at the flowers all the way
coming over.
When the Williams girl came off the
boat Mrs. Witty kept next to her all the
way out and kept looking at the flowers.
There was young man, small-sized.
like Du-rant, who seemed to be waiting
for Miss Williams, and as the girl got off
hat and paused an instant after which
they walked off talking. Mrs. Witty
turned to the right, they turned to the
left. Mrs. Witty still followed the flow-
ers and saw the young man and Miss
Williams talking and walking toward
the Howard-street turn table.
The two other witnesses tho will testify
when called upon to do so that no one &C
companied Miss Williams to this City are
Mr.. Harris and his wife, who also came
over on the boat with the young lady.
Detective Harry n. NJ orse stated that
Mr.. SchwaitZer told her tale to him some
TWO years ago. His reason for not divulg-
ing 1t was because it referred to the Min
nle Villa ms case and had nothing to do
with the Lamont case for which Durrant
was undergoing trial.
Morse made an insinuation against the
methods OF the police in the no after, and
said that when the schoolgirls were asked
to Identity Durrant he was brought into
the room alone, while Mrs. Schwaitzer was
asked 10 pick Gibson out of five men.
Attorney George A. A. Tubb, when
asked why he put so pointed question