The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1897-12-11
STUBBS- WOMACK
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heard them read; thought II was 1870
pv Judge Green: .. Can you remember
~hesher I'm these large number OF games
80 hsd with Mr. Womack. you came OUT
Vtnnsr OF loser! -, "A
a sonHtlmes ! came out winner ano
ssmetlmes loser; but on the iinal result
came out winner. 1 presume piayeu
with him two or three dozen times ana
there was only a loose piece OK paper De
t~sen Us &c tell how We stood. as Is ire
.uently done between gentlemen Anu
when we would come together we wouiu
settle up. q,
nv the Chairman: q. ON yesterday III
making your statement at the commence
ment Of your testimony you useo, ! pc
levc this language OF was taken NV
by the stenocraphcr): i want 10 ei"pI'e
size as far as / can--as human De'ns "a"
cmphasize-that have never seen 49,
heard Of nor ever received lhc Vo',s'u
Grafton OF those checks mentioned heie
to-day"
A. Yes. sir. ,.o,,
N AZ understand you now. you
o,s,,f, that abatement and correct IT by
admitting that YOU did receive the con-
sldcrations FOR those checks!
mean 20 say that when those
.h.eLz were civen-when I was on the
stand Yesterday I had no idea what me
Confederation was. and 1 was under the
,,,nr.ssiou that this game question was
.o,,icd in '93. and / say distinctly that
tho date OF those checks fell on my ears
as 's and those were the checkS re-
soyrcd 10 as not having received any con-
alteration in gaming or otherwise NJ"
80 d,s,inctIv that the considerations
for those two checks were gaming con-
sidcrations. That IS what / want 10 en-
phaslze. ..a.,. yo,,
go This language: some one SAID
wa. intimate with MIR. Womack. ! am
-, to,,r,ate with him. / know him as
o,,or,.bodv else knows him. want to say
70 This committee that as chairman OF lhe
History Committee have necessarily hau
Interviews with men who were advoca.ins
certain books. pleasant as they
could be, no proposition ever
rade 10 prefer ore book 10 ar
other" And Their you 20 en- TO state
about receiving letters. Your statement
then was that you had mover been lht-
mate with him. but that your rela'iohs
with him have been on the line you sug-
gestcd this morning. within social games
with him running through months-or
years. which,
SWEET AND INDULGENT.
think. sir. II commenced in the
sassion ~ 1so2-'qt do not recall. 1874
think. nay be ten OF twelve months Mr.
chairman. / am not intimate with Mr.
Womack; I have played games OF cards
with him. and have played games Oh
cards with a great many men That per
hans would not be called intimate with
me. When a parcel of gentlemen SIT
down to play cards. and a man comes IN
and asks 70 take hand, II Is all over
He may be gentleman, but i neeu not
be intimate with him. Very many peo-
ple / have INDUCED with would not ask
10 my house.
O Colonel Stubs. as natter Of in
formation. when these games are piayeu
and money is won. is IT customary TOT
the matter TO be closed up months after
wards. or for IL 20 be settled at once
or within a short time?
A. II is customary for them to do the
hest they can. | have seen long ac-
counts run for several months. but IL IS
customary to pay up az once; but III MI
Womack could not pay up at once; IL was
all right / have owed little amounts
mvse1f. | have owed from one session or
the General Assembly 10 another. be-
cause the parties have told me that II
would be all right when ! came back
again. You have no idea. how sweet and
indulgent we poor MOI tails who love 70
plaN cards. are TO each other.
O. In asking YOU questions about the
circular that you sent out to different
members of the History Committee and
rs to the endorse made upon that
circular that circular il / understand 1T
correctly. recomn ended the adoption or
shinn's History by the Board of Educa-
ton of this state for the schools of this
State: is that the case?
A. No sir; that circular, Mr.. Chair
man. you are misinformed perhaps.
shinns History had already been put on
the list OF the Board of Education. by
recommendation of the Grand Camp. As
! said yesterday. | went and saw the
three members of the Board. Then this
circular was issued TO the officials In
the counties My idea was to see If the
officials in the counties would not unite
upon the same book that the city of
Richmond united on, and thereby help
TO get I'd of Barnes; il the city of Rich
mond had united on Hansells series or
Holmes book, ! would have done the
same thing; but / had no reference to
Shinns particularly: it was simply be-
cause the School Board of Richmond had
paved the way to having one book in the
schools.
O. But that circular did recommend
Shlnns History.
\. IL did. sir: I have never thought CT
that circular from that day until IT was
mentioned yesterday.
q. Shidn's History is published by the
American Book Company is it not?
A. | believe It is, sir: in fact l have
aluaVe hoard 50
@. You were asked by General Humid
ley the question as TO whether you had
ever obstructed in any way a meeting of
the History Committee of the Grand
Camp OF this state. on that line. / have
here what purports to he q communiCa-
ton addressed 10 Colonel Stubbs. by
Captain Thomas Elicit the Adjutant-
General of the Virginia Camp OF Con
federate Veterans. ] dent know wheth'
sr J can read every word Of IL myself as
! am not familiar with the handwriting
and II IS IN Pencil too. ! Will get Cap
tain Elicit 20 read il.
TEXT or THE LETTER.
Captain Elicit read copy Of his letter
TO Colonel Stubs. as follows:
July Sth 1897
Dear Colonel;-I have been instructed
bN our Grand Commander to write YOU as
10 the best course to pursue in regard TO
the school history question, or II any
thing 10. be accomplished for the near
future. IL must be done now. and hence
forth made a burning issue by the Grand
Camp through It's subordinate camps and
members. When does the present con-
tract for furnishing books to the State
expire. and when viii the State Educa-
tional Board meet 10 award the next