The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1897-01-23

Mr. Sherman arose at this moment. while
Mr.. Turpie' 5 reference TO the Canning Incl
dent was unfinished. and said: IF the SEN
ator refers 10 publication to-day / will
say there is not the slightest warrant for
the statement made. | have not had
word with Mr.. Olney on that subject, and
there has been no mention of an agreement
or understanding.
Mr.. Turpie said he was glad 10 accept
this disavowal. But he felt that the Senate
should do something to dissipate such re-
ports. Whatever the difference may be as
TO the independence of Cuba concluded
Mr.. Turpie. Il think every senator here
fayors the Independence Of the Senate"
when il was followed by a genuine sensa-
tion in the form of the discussion of the
new AnsglosAmeriean me s1 peace treaty not
les only in executive session. 1t brought
out statements from Mr.. Sherman, Mr.
bers of the committee on foreign relations
and from many other senator's. Mr.. Hoar
precipitated the discussion. In presenting
favoring the speedy ratification of the
treaty, the Massachusetts senator added
some observations on the public pressure
on the Senate. A great many prominent
men and organiza tions Nere telegraphing
and writing 10 him urging Immediate action
on the treaty. Il suppose there is no man
in this body" proceeded Mr.. Hoar. who
does not hail as one Of the great events of
the century the conclusion of this treaty.
strengthening the bonds of friendship be-
tween the two English-speaking nations as
well as the friendship between the United
States and the whole world and doing away
with the barbarities of war But IL should
not be forgotten, continued Mr.. Hoar that
that treaty was not an accomplished fact
until the Senate had examined and
not yet acted, and in his judg-
S,Id ment i & was I very poor diplomacy to
senator's. telling them they should act at
once. While no man Is more desirous than
myself to see the era of peace and good
will, added Mr.. Hoai. yet ! wish to
ter my protest aoainst meddling with the
serious duties of the senator's, either by SER
mons or by professors lectures"
SHERMAN'S STATEMENT.
Mr.. Sherman followed Mr.. Hoar and
there was added interest In his statement
in view of his early entry to the head of
the State Department and his present posi-
ton as chairman Of the committee on for
eign relations. NO one is more ready
than myself he said, "to congratulate the
country upon the great achievement of con-
Guiding this treaty Of arbitration At the
same time Mr. Sherman said. the treaty
was one involving such grave considera-
tons that it should have the most careful.
mature and dispassicnate consideration.
That was the present purpose of the COM
mittee on foreign relations and the MEM
bers of that committee were about to take
up the treaty and consider Ii, article by
ticle, with the greatest care.
About how long has the consideration of
the subject proceeded between the secretary
of state and Lord salisbury inquired Mr..
Allison.
Certainly for year. if not longer" an
swered Mr. Sherman. "Mr. Gresham took
active part in the early negotiations"
Mr. Hoar further explained that the ques-
ton had been up in one form or another for
twenty years. Mr.. Gladstone had made a
speech on it in the House of Commons
twenty-five years ago. delegation came
from England ten years ago bearing a re-
quest from "a majority of the members of
Parliament favorable to arbitration. SO
4 ha nf Hfnu uynr n fnr
! that if they did not act in twenty-fours
| hours "the spurs would be jammed into
| them was quite ont of place.
Mr.. Gray. member of the foreign rela-
| tions committee, came into the discussion
at this point. What are we going TO do
| about it?' he asked Mr.. Hoar. Il do not
| know that the public interest in this sub
| ject is misdirected, or that we can abate ii.
an ,,al indinerence rel on the % part Of the S public
| though an intemperate zeal may not be the
wisest course. But we as senators cannot
| restrain the zeal. even if 1t be Incorporate
zeal of the public, SO that what are we to
| do about it?''
Il answer the senator" responded Mr.
| Hoar that we should first point out TO the
| many Well-meaning men who address the
Senate asking precipitate action. that IT is
% nmWlse 10 urge the ISnate h TO an mus al
them that they would desist."
CULLOM AGAINST HASTE.
| Mr.. Cullom another member OF the COM
| mittee foreign affairs. followed Mr.
| Gray. Il only want to say one word' he
| began, "and that is in accord with the
| statement by the chairman of the commit
tee on foreign relations. The treaty has
| been before it only short while; 1 think
| now there have been three meetings of the
committee since il came in. and the treaty
was read at the first meeting of the com
| mittee and laid over until the second meet
| ing Some members of the committee We're
4 not present at the second meeting. and il
| went over to another meeting. There has
| certainly been no disposition whatever on
| the part of the committee on foreign rela-
| tions TO delay the treaty for a moment
| after the members OF the committee were
satisfied that it was the proper thing to do
| to ratify IL or to report Ii favorably. But
| wanted to say especially that in this coun-
| try il does not appear TO be a unanimous
! expression that the treaty should be rati-
| fled as it is. In the letters from prominent
| gentlemen of my State this morning part
| of them were in favor of immediate action
favorable on the treaty. Others were op-
posing the treaty. So 1T does not seem 10
| me that ii is an unreasonable thing for the
| committee on foreign relations to take such
| time ii deems necessary for considera-
| tion in the committee of the treaty before
| it comes into the Senate. So far as ] am
concerned believe in the general proposi-
| treaty that is extensive in its scope as
that is until l feel certain myself that l am
| American people as We'll as of the world.
| All that / desire is TO be certain before we
act favoraby on it is that it is not tying us
up in such a way that we may find il here
after TO be something we did not expect We
were doing when We did it. When / anl
satisfied on that point L am ready to vote
for it, but not before.
Mr. Lodge, also of the foreign relations
| committee, expressed qualification that his
| colleague. Mr. Hoar, had given expression
| TO his thoughts on the subject of the arb-
| tration treaty as there was evidently much
| misrepresentation to the effect that the COM
| mittee had been guilty of unnecessary de-
! lay in considering the treaty. This was
| distinctly untrue. On the contrary the
committee had exercised the utmost pos
| sibe expedition in considering the treaty
| consideration. 1t would be of no service to
the cause of arbitration TO make treaty
| that would develop causes of disagreement.
| Mr.. Hawley said he he'd been little sur
| prised TO hear of the prevalence of an opin-
! ion that the United States or the Senate, at
| least. is not friendly to arbitration and to
| peace.
| Mr. Sewall wanted the committee to take
| all the time necessary TO consider the
| delicate questions involved in the treaty,
| for he for one, did not feel disposed to vote
| on it until he secured all the light that il
! was possible to obtain.
STEWART TALKS PLAINLY.
Mr. Stewart brought the debate TO crisis
| by his speech. A number of the older SEN
ators had been moving anxiously in their
| seats ever since the debate had opened.
They evidently felt that the matter be-
Ionged only to the seclusion of the execu-
| tive session. Other senator's refrained how
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