The Saint Paul globe. (St. Paul, Minn.) 1896-1905, 1897-03-02
BUT SEVENTH WARD RESIDENTS
DECIDE THEY WANT SOME
THING ELSE AFTER ALL.
FAVOR SHEPARD ORDINANCE.
VOTE THAT WAY AND FOUR
TEEN OPPOSE 1T.
COUNCIL LACKS SAND AND NERVE.
Ed Rodgers Says if 1t Had Little
More the Street Railway Would
Soon Come to Time.

DS NOCo Ol 10 10 Ii, TeSlQe0tS OF
the Seventh ward at a meeting held in
the council chamber last evening d.
rected their representatives 20 VOLe for
the Shepard street railway ordinance.
Whether either Of the representatives
Will do this, however, is another thing
1t was thought best by a number of
those present to put some force behind
the demands Of the people for better
service on the Selby avenue line, and
resolutions were passed directing the
council representatives from the Sew
enth ward to introduce orders directing
the street car company to pave be-
tween their tracks on Fourth street
from Broadway to the Seven corners.
This, it was claimed, would force the
company either to fish or cut bait"
About LOG persons, the majority Of
them being residents of other wards
than the Seventh, attended the meet
Ing. The report Of the board OF en-
.gineers, Harry Lyon, E. H. McHAnry
and G. F. Loweth, appointed at the
last meeting, of which the following is
a copy, was read:
The undersigned commission appointed to
pass upon the question to whether there
Is any feasible anG practicable plan of OPP
Grating electric cars safely on the Selby
avenue hill. has the honor to report as fol-
lows
and devices submitted for its consideration,
and, in addition, far the time would
permit has investigated the methods of op-
Grating similar steep inclines already in OPP
Grafton. OF the many plans submitted to
the commission, but one or two have been
worked out in detail and the majority are
vague and impracticable. Very few new or
valuable ideas were received, the plans in
general being notifications of old and we'll
known devices.
The maximum grade en- the Selby avenue
hill is Is per cent, and approximately 500
1eet In length. At the intersection of Third
street, at the foot Of the steep grade, sharp
curve occurs, succeeded by a per cent
grade 200 feet in length.
The commission believes that it is entirely
sa1e and practicable to provide for the op-
GRAFTON Of electric cars on this hill, being led
10 TINS conclusion by the successful opera
ton Of even sleeper and longer grades at
other places, where various devices are used
Tor solving similar problems, such as steam
ana electric hoists in mines; cables and
CONFERENCE.-The as useC in electric street rail-
way practice in Easton, Pa; Seattle Wash;
Portland Or; San Francisco, Cal Provi-
dence, t. l.; and Chattanooga, Tenn; rack
railways at Mount Washington, Pixies Peak,
Mount Vesuyius and in the Alps and South
America the S. per cent grade at Mount
Lowe, Wash; inclined planes at Cincinnati,
P1ts5urg and Allegheny; and hydraulic
holsts ano devices on inclined planes at
Marseilles and in Switzerland On MANY of
heSe mcllnes the grade is rs per cent or
more. -
The commission has not felt called upon
TO express an opinion regarding the relative
commercial merits of the several systems,
, nor to in5crse any particular plan which has
yet been submitted, understanding that only
ITS opinion regarding the feasibility and safe
ny, OF sucn operation is requested.
s'H1t IS probable that the adoption Of some
method Involving the use Of cable or rack
rail traction will ultimately furnish salts
factory solution Of the problem. The relative
density CT traffic ano consequent number Of
cars employed in operation will determine
the comparative economy of providing a local
power Installation for the hill operation only
as compared with the cost Of specially equip
ping greater or less number Of cars The
adoption of the former plan would permit
the general use of the incline by all the
cars OF the street railway system in and
about the two cities.
The report having been read a vote
OF thanks was rendered to the trio of
engineers who had submitted it. c. H.
Weed moved an adjournment and it
was instantly seconded by Col Bend.
Before 1t could be put Aid Shepard
said he had a few words to saw He
read part of the minutes and asked
II a practical device had been found
Gen. Bishop said the engineers had
reported there were devices. Aid.
shepard said for the last ten years the
street car company had been looking
for a device.
Arnolc Kalman said, in his opinion,
the company had not been looking
very hard for the device. The report
OF the engineers was that such a de-
vice was practicable
Gen. Bishop said his idea was that
the previous meeting had not indoGsed
any particular line or route Two
classes CT devices had been laid before
The engineers, one was 70 equip all the
cars with an equipment and the other
20 have device at the hill which would
carry up and down the car. The street
car company should either find a de-
vice or select a route
Ed Rogers said it was understood
ct the last meeting that if the engin-
GERS did not find a practical device the
meeting stood committed to the route
proposed in the Sheuard ordinance
1t was not expected the engineers
would report any particular device.
j. A. WheelOck said he was the one
who submitted the resolution at the
last meeting 1t was to the effect that
II no practical device could be found
thenothe meeting was committed to the
route proposed ~y the Shepard oriin-
ance. The committee had reported tba
1t was both feasible. safe and prac-
t1Cable to secure such a device.
Col BEND offered the following resu-
lutitpn.
Whereas, the commission appointed t. in
vestigate the practicahiIity Of operating an
electric railway Selby avenue hill has
reported that experiences in other cities
demonstrates that it is entirely feasible to
operate an electric line on Selby avenue
hill;
Resolved, That the council be and is here
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