The Saint Paul globe. (St. Paul, Minn.) 1896-1905, 1897-08-21

questioned if the same rate of fare was
to be charged in Minneapolis.
AID. Sanborn said it was question
whether st. Paul could legislate for
Minneapolis, but if the ordinance was
| accepted, the same rate would be
charged in that city,,
Mr: Bell thought the Decent fare in
the heart of the city was putting a
burden on the citizens
Aid. Sanborn said it was question
to be settled whether the citizens want
ed to pay additional fare for fast
train.
f. w. Pike said the present time be-
tween the cities made by interurban
cars was almost an hour. The distance
was about ten miles The cars were
now run at about fifteen or twenty
miles an hour. The idea of the ordl-
nance was that trains would be run in
thlrty minutes. The speed making was
TO be made up between Rice street and
the city limits, and as this was not al
lowed In Minneapolis that cars would
nave to be run at the rates OF thirty
miles an hour FOR the distance of five
miles. The compafiy wanted the right
to run express, trains on a public street
with grade crossings at the rate OF
thirty miles an hour for twenty years.
Aid Sanborn questioned where Mr..
Pike got his information about the
J trains running twenty or thirty miles
an hour Mr.. Pike said the facts spoke
for themselves even if the ordinance
did not.
Mr. Butler said the opposition to the ordi-
nance was owing to there being, no provision
as to the rate of speed and the
be put in by the company west of
Dale street. Where. said Mr.. Butler, was the
demand to give to the street car company
| for twenty years the right to run fast trains
| ana charge Increased fare. He had failed to
| lind any spontaneous outburst on this point
IN TACT 1t was all on the other side. Mr.
butler said he did not think for moment
! that MI. Sanborn. or any OF the otneT
members of the council, could be committed
! to the ordinance. under the circumstances,
ana with the opposition shown to the meas
ure. 1t appeared that the ordinance was the
| child put forward by some one The street
car company violated the ordinance, which
| safe to assume that if the ordinance was
! passed this rate would be increased.
Mr.. Sanborn said the only way the 15-cent
! fare could be excused was on the ground
| that the people would be given more rapid
| transit.
| impose any restrictions, it simply gave the
company a lot of privileges.
Mr.. Butler and Aid. Sanborn had an
argument about the speed of the through
trains. under the ordinance. Mr.. Sanborn
| argued that the speed would not be faster
! than at present but. was not able to explain
I IAoW II WOuiu D6 possible LOT d train, WHICH
now made the distance in about an hour to
cover the ground in half that time without
! increasing the rate of speed.
Assemblyman Thompson thought the only
question was over the additional rate of fare.
| The cars would not be any faster than
at present the time being made up by not
making stops. There might be some Objec
tion on the part of property owners on the
avenue, but if it was a benefit to the gen
eral public this objection should not stand
| in the way 2.f
Jared How said there was no move of this
| Kind on,foot in Minneapolis. What he wanted
| to know was if the citizens of Minneapolis
could ride on through trains and only pay a
| I'VE cent fare, why should the residents of
| st: Paul have to pay ten cents for the same
privilege? The ordinance vicious one.
Was it possible, he inquired, that because
| the street car company had the city on it's
back that the city's- nose must be inserted
between the teeth of the street railway COM
pany and then called a compromise?
w. b. Hennessey, representing F. G. Brady
d Co. said at a meeting held Thursday
night it was decided that the ordinance was of
no good to the city and the merchants and
business men representing an aggregate
| capital of 81 100000, had agreed to oppose the
measure as being against the best inter
A. Paradis thought the company should not
be- granted the right to charge an increase
IN fare; If the time to be saved was to
be made between Rice street and the CITY
limits by increased rate of speed, WHY
should the cars be compelled to go a dozen
plocks farther than the present route in the
| center of the city.
f. l.. McGhee asked even if the business
| interests demanded rapid transit was that
any reason why; the council should ruin
! property the most important street in
the city. The owners had given, up twenty
! feet of their properly for a boulevard. and
now it was sought to run fast trains along
the, street, and make, a raiIfoad ward out of
| the principal avenue. - ~ ~ .
! T. B. Meyers said he had listened for two
hours and had heard no one in the audience
| at least, speak in favor. of the provisions of
! the ordnance He urged that no
| of a union depot loop be taken up and some
| thing be done in the way of action instead
| of wind. -
Mr.. Reardon said, as no one favored the
rapid transit provision, it might Just as well
| be Knocked out at once.
Assemblyman Thompson thought those who
| were in favor of the passage of the ordinance
had all remained at home and only those op-
posed to it had put in appearance.
Mr.. Meyers protested against the state.
| ment made by Mr.. Thompson, and said if
! the remark had not been made in the ma
ture of joke the assemblyman never ought
to receive a reelection to the city council
| OF St Paul. The expression of Mr.. Movers
| views in this particular matter were greeted
with loud applause, and Mr.. Thompson took
| occasion to turn his assertion off as good
| joke.
| Assemblyman Kirke moved that the ordl-
nance in its present form he recommended
not to pass. Both Aid. Sanborn and Assem-
blyman Thompson objected to the motion
and suggested soto voce that the committee
| take time to consider the question before any
dennite action was taken. AsSemb lyman AL
| brecht thought it best to adjourn, and at
| some other time take UP the other sections
| of the ordinance. 4T
Aid. Kenny said the emphatic protests he
had listened to satisfied him the people did
not want rapid transit proposed in the
ordinance.
Aid. Kaldunski moved that sections No
and be stricken out at once and then the
people of the Eighth ward would not have to
attend any more meetings.
! AssembIyman Kirke seconded the motion
| but it was not noticed by the chairman.
! Assemblyman Thompson said he felt like
! standing by the committee which had pre-
| pared the ordinance. There were other sec
| lions that had not been considered and if
any of them were good to approve them
The committee finally decided to adjourn
| to Wednesday evening at 1880 o'clock, when
| the consideration of the ordinance will be
| resumed.
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! We go via the Wisconsin Central and
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everybody else going East are invited
| to go with us. Rates as low and
accommodations as good as offered by
any line. Notify Herman Brown, CITY
Pass. & Ticket Agent, No. 373 Robert
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! if you want to go and get full informa-
| ton. w. B. Summers,