The times., 1897-06-08

Senator Hoar suggested that both Sen
ators could save time by agreeing upon
terms The Senator from Georgia might
apply protection to sugar and the Senator
from Louisiana protection TO lumber.
II will agree If revenue principles are
substituted for protective principles OBJ
served Mr.. Bacon.
"A protective duty on sugar would be
as sweet by auy ot.ser NAME responded
Mr Hoar; ''and be a protective duty as
we'll"
Mr.. Caffery grew indignant at the im.,u-
tatjon that he was protectionist There
was no protection in his makeup. If there
was he would want it cntout. He favored
a duty Oh sugar because the revenue went
into the Treasury. There was more not
talk between The Georgian and the Louis
lana Senator. Just as 1T diminished Sem
ator Hoar popped up again, all smiles, and
smirks. He tingled with sarcasm 1T
was shown in his movements, in his words,
and in the tone of his voice. He described
Mr Caffery as free trader who cried
always sugar. sugar sugar" and
when the Niison bin was before Gne Senate
was so Doubtful of what that bill would
do for sugar, that he voted aye on the
sugar schedule and no the final
pass age o: the bill, and then changed to
yea
The free trade Senator from Louisiana, :"
he concluded finds only one exception
to the application OF his theory sugar;
and the free trade Senator from Georgia
another exception-lumber.'
Mr. Racon protested being termed a free
trader. He favor ed duty on all raw ma
terials.
"Ailraw materials that compete with the
products OF Georgia, F" remarked Mr.. Hoar,
amid laughter.
III we could commit the framing of n
tariff bill to the free trade Senators who
are conducting the debate on the other
side" said Senator Hoar; ''if we shut
our eyes, opened our mouths and voted for
it, after its passage we would discover
that every industry in the respective States
had been amply protected. (Applause)
That's what they did before; that's
" hat they would do now. Morally. thereis
a great deal Of human nature In Demo
Gratis"
The mcrriment was so great as Mr.. Hoar
concluded, that Senator Burrows, who was
in the chair, was compelled TO suppress it,
with his gavei.
MIR. Bacon asked Mr. Hoar if in any bill
no framed he would insist on free hides for
Massachusetts,
Mr.. Hoar said that If the bill seemed to
him such measure as the present one ap
pearcd to be he would be inclined to defer
to the opinions OF his colleagues on one
particular item.
Hides continued Mr.. Hoar, ARE not
produced for themselves alone II you put
dat. Of I Md
weighing sixty pounds, that would be
worth 60 cents ON an animal worth S60-1
per cent. 1 think tariff of / per cent as
a matter of protection is an absurdity.
But r could not convince my colleagues
that 1 was right / should yield my in
dyiGual convictions
There was another tilt. This time be-
tween Senator Wilson and Senator Glly
The former was asked as TO the reason for
the setting apart Of the white line forestry
reservations, and the necessity of a pIo-
tective duty.
MT. Wilson answered that t was in the
interest of the poor people OF the United
States, and Mr.. Gray, replying, said he
could not commend the course OF the Sena
tor from Washington in passing around the
hat for contributions to the people of the
United States.
This net with a tart reply fIum Mr..
Wilson, who retorted:
Il do not desire the commen dation OF the
Senator at any time for anything
A colloquy ensued little later between
Mr. Alien and Mr. CaffeIy concerning the
forestry reservations, and in spite OF re-
peated declarations of the Senator from
Louisiana that he would not be drawn into
a discussion on the forestry reserve ques-
tlon he was compelled TO make reply TO
questions OF both Mr. Allen of Nebraska and
Mr. Jones Of Arkansas.
ar. Caffery defended the forestry reser re.
and read q statement from a Government
publication that unless protected certain
virgin forests would not oaly be diminished
butiu ten years would be utterly destro yed.
Referring TO the tariff bill he said that
there could be no revenue yielded by a
tariff levied upon the yellow pine of the
South. Mr.. RaCon defended a tariff on
lumber in general, as that light produce
a revenue. While there might be no special
importation of yellow pine, yet there was
imported into the United States last year
ST. 100000 worth OF lumbcr'in general
This would, as rule, affect the price Of
yellow rlne if the lumber thus imported
was in competition with yellow pine.
"As a matter of fact responded Mr..
Caffery, confidently, white pine does
not come in competition with yellow pine
''As a matter of fact said Mr. Bacon
with equal confidence, that is where the
gentleman is mistaken, because white pine
does compete with yellow pine
'Then that duty of So, if there is a
competition, is protective said Mr.. Caf-
fiery.
Not ar all: not at ALL" answered Mr..
Bacon, who then allowed Mr.. Caffery 10
proceed without interruption.
Mr.. Caffery called attention to the large
export trade of Louisiana with Mexico.
The duty on white pine would not affect
the Southern industry, he said. The South
has aninexhaustibles supply oflumber The
cypress industry Of his State is in q flour
ishing condition. Notwithstanding all this
prosperity, he would be soIry to see the
mill owners of the Soath secure any duty
that would enable the lumber dealers 80
charge more for their product.
The debate continued and Senator Allen
cpntended that the great bulk of the men
engaged in telling trees from Maine to
Minnesota We're men of foreign birth.
This was denied by Senator Hale, but
Mr.. Allen insisted on his point and added
that fully 80 per cent of them were Of
foreign birth. Senator Allen denounced
the tariff ON lumber. "A law that viii make
one fabulousy rich ald keep another poor is
unfair. II is unjust" he concluded.
Senator Thurston explained that the
duty was only on the manufactured article,
on the sawed planks The logs were
admitted free. The result of such duty