Richmond dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1884-1903, 1896-04-22

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.'The last Of last February ] made
special trip from Roxboro' to atteho inc
| trial at Lunenburg Courthouse
you came from Roxboro on TINS ,iine
! and had these frequent talks with these
witnesses. and then you came a little be-
| fore the time for the execution 70 nA
this matter in the city jail, did you!
Yes SIR" :,
| Being cross-examined by Mr.. southall'
the witness stated that when ne got 10
Richmond from Sumter. s.. c., he saw
| In the newspapers that the case had been
| taken TO the Supreme Court or Appeals
and knew that his trip had been trui,-
| less.
You have stated that In going around
and interviewing witnesses you went 10
| the house OF Ellen Gales. You started TO
say who you saw there, and what the
object OF your visit was. Please DO that
now" requested Mr. Southan.
CAPTAIN WISE OBJECTS.
az object" said Captain Wise. who
| wanted the question reduced TO writing,
that he might except II he chose to do
! So
Mr.. Southall then read the interroga-
tory which he had prepared.
You havs stated on cross-examination
that you went TO Ellen Gales's house be-
cause you expected to catch some one
there who was doing wrong; whom did
| you expect TO see there, and what reason
did you have to suppose that he was do
| ing wrong2"
The defence here objected to the ques-
ton. and 1t was submitted without argu-
ment. The Court stated that inasmuch
| as the scope of the cross-examination had
| not been confined TO the examination IN
| clief, but had taken rather wide lat-
| tude in order to show Mr. Gregory's in
| terest, 1t was of the opinion that II should
hear all OF Mr.. Gregory's objects in going
around among these witnesses and hold
ing communication with them. The jury
was here turned over to the custody OF
the Sheriff, until after the dinner re-
cess.
Captain Wise then began his argument
upon the question by saying that the
witness had been trying TO put his theo-
ries before this jury through the wit
nesses whom he had been buttonholing
| and holding secret communication with,
until he had gotten them under his hyp-
motto influences. A man hasn't the right
| to get upon the stand TO state his rea-
sons, his theories. and his motives. There
was a heap of difference in the liberties
allowed the counsel for the defence and
the lawyers for the prosecution in ex-
! animation OF the witness. Captain Wise
said that he had not asked the witness
for his reasons for going TO the house Of
Ellen Gales He added that he did not
ask Gregory for his motive in going to
the city Jail in Richmond. because his
motive was plain. IL such person were
inclined TO practice deceptioy, he would
be afforded the veiy best opportunity
possible to practice 1t upon courts and
juries and counsel and prisoners. II al
lowed to give his reasons.
Captain Wise was followed by Mr..
Southall, who stated that the Court could
properly admit the question, as the oppo-
site side had brought into question the
interest Of the witness.
The point was argued further by coun-
sci on both sides. and Judge Crute decided
that the defence could ask the witness
whom he found at Ellen Gales's house.
This Mr.. Southall did as soon as court
reconvened after dinner, and Mr.. Gregory
replied: Il found there one man. sup
posed to be Beideman, and another sup
posed to be Seyille-that's what they gave
as their names"
Mr.. Southall: What was the occupation
of these men?
"They were trying TO get together testi-
mony in the Pollard murder case"
For whom"
The witness could not answer this ques-
ton of his own knowledge.
Mr.. Gregory continued his testimony by
| saying that Seville left the county next
| day, while Beideman remained in Lunen-
| burg for month or so afterward. He
added that this was the first time that
he was at Ellen Gales's house since last
August.
Mr.. CLEMENTS.
Counsel for the prosecution then called
| Mr.. T.. A. Clements, the Lunenburg coun-
| ty constable who first arrested the wo-
men. This witness began his testimony
| by telling the circumstances of his trip
TO Mr.. Pollard's house on the afternoon
| OF the murder to buy corn. the full de-
tails OF which have been printed In the
Dispatch several times. The usual ques-
tons concerning the location OF the body
were asked Mr.. Clements. lie said that
he was between GOO and 800 yards from
Mr.. Pollards house when he heard the
bell tap. He did not get back there until
later In the night. He saw Mary Aber-
nathy and Margaret Bailey assisting in
| shrouding Mrs. Pollard.
Mr.. Clements was then interrogated re-
| garding the searches he assisted IN while
| efforts were being made to find the money
and other property stolen from Mr.. Pol
lard. He testified that on the day after
Mary Alternately had been released, after
/ her first arrest, she had gone way down
| in the county--a distance or some eight
or ten miles from the place where she
was liberated.
MRS. CLEMENTS SWORN.
Mrs. f. A. Clements, wife Of the ex-
constable who had just left the stand,
was called. She said the negro women
1
after the murder, and that Mary Aber-
nathy that day asked her to take a walk
with her While they were out she
asked witness whether she thought II the
one who had Mr.. Pollard's things would
return them and put them where he
could get them, the matter would be
| dropped MARY said she hoped they
would shoot Solomon Marable when she
heard they were bringing him back. This
conversation occurred In my dining
room"
"Did she state why she wished him
to be shot?" asked Mr.. Southall.
mo, sir: she did not"
Mr.. Southall: State as nearly as you
! can all of your conversations with Mary
| Alternately, and how she behaved when
at your house.
'She did not say anything more. When
she heard that Solomon had been caught
she became very much excited. and saiti
she hoped he would be shot before they
got him across the river. Mary was
SO excited that II was necessary TO take
| her out Of the house IN order that she
might get some fresh air."
The witness said that this conversation
was held about O'clock in the morn
ing. The news OF Solomons arrest
reached witnesses house about / O'Clock.
ssWhat was that report?" asked Judge