New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1896-01-21
THE DUNRAVEN CASE.
FINDING OF THE COMMITTEE NOT YET
MADE PUBLIC.
SOME DETAILS OF THE TESTIMONY. WHICH ADJ

| dence was not made public by the committee.
George l.. Rives the secretary OF the committee.
said that he had not examined the published evil
dence and did not know whether It a correct
transcript OF the proceedings before the committee
or not IF II IL correct statement, he said. "of
such proceedings. any part Of them. II must
have been obtained by theft or by some other means
equally dshonorable to the newspaper that pub
lshed It," The report OF the committee is not In
cluded in the publication 1t is simply part OF the
evidence which contains little that has not been
foreshadowed by The Tribune. The report OF the
committee. although 1t has not been made public.
has been discounted by the Interested public. II Is
well known ttat Dunraven failed to make out a
case and the only real interest in the report. the
Only part which the public is at all anxious about. Is
It's tone People want to know how the committee.
consisting Of J. Pierpont Morgan. william c. Whit
ney George l.. Rives Edward J. Phelps and Cap
tain A. r Mahan will report the matter back to the
club by which they were appointed. and what recon-
mendations they VIII make. on these points there
IL as much doubt there was before the account
OF the testimony published. The Tribune said
early in the Iselin-Dunraven controversy that a
full hearing OF the case would not leave Dunraven
foot TO stand upon.
DUNRAvENS SIDE.
II was perfectly well known that the first session
was devoted to hearing the charges. which were a
simple reltera,.on OF The Field letter and the
Cardiff speech.
Mr. Askwth Lord Dunraven's counsel is quoted
AZ length. and what he said furnished absolutely
nothing new TO tho Dunraven side Of the case The
letter which Dunraven wrote 20 A. Cass Canheld
the secretary the Cup Committee. Is quoted. and
then the tells OF the complaint made by his
Client 10 Latham 4 Fish. all OF which has been
published In full IN The Tribune. In Mr. Askwith's
opening remarks he also said that there was an I'M
derstandlng between Lord Dunrayen and the New
York Yacht Club representatives. that nothing
should be said by either on the subject OF the load
water-lne OF the Defender. This arrangement. It
l. said was reached between II. NJ Kersey Dun
ravens representative. and Commodore James ID.
Smith.
Mr. Askwi,h argued that this understanding was
violated By the publication OF the Cup Committees
report In which the matter Of measurement was
spoken OF.
Lord Dunraven's evidence was in every partcu-
lar In keeping with his published charges. He told
OF his suspicious and how the morning OF Sep
TENDER he examined the Defender with II glass
and was convinced that she was deeper In the
water than when she was measured. The old story
abo missing the waterpipe hole on the port SIDE,
which he thought should be visible was told again.
and the story = mis- official protest 20 Latham A.
Fish again gone over
LORI Dunrayen became mixed and confused when
Joseph II. Choatc took him In hand. and the vague
o. his charges and the bad foundation on
which they were based became eviden; at once.
Dunr confessed 70 Mr.. thodte upon croSS-eN-
animation that he sailed a race believing that he
beirg cheated by the Defender. which. In his
opinion. was immersed too deep In the water. He
could lot expllin why he did not refuse to start
under such circumstances, except that nothing
could have been gained by such refusal. Dunraven
reiterated his belief that nine ten tons OF ballast
were taken out OF the Defender before she
measured on September G. and the same quantity
put back after she was measured on the 7ih. and
taken out again before she was measured on Sun
day
MR. SMITH DENIED TT.
The point as to an agreement between II. NJ
Kersey and Commodore Smith that nothing be said
about Dunraven's request for remeasurement and
his was settled by Commodore Smith. who
denied that any such agreement had ever existed
The Dunraven evidence followed by the afft-
davis OF Thomas w Ratsey. the Cowes sa'lrnaker
who also based his suppos.t!on that the Defender
too deep in the water on the fact that the out
let pipe which he had seen when the measurement
took place was out OF sight. An affidavit by George
l.. Watson. the designer OF the Nalkyrle was also
put in evidence Watson also missed the outlet hole
Then followed the evidence OF Arthur Gennie,
who came to America in advance OF Dunraven last
summer and interested spectator al the
trial races as well as at the international contests
He tod. as The Tribune sad he would. about his
noticing the apparent abnormal depth OF the De-
fender OF his calling Lord Dunravens attention 10
the matter and OF his seeing Dunraven and Latham
A. Fish In conversation on the subject. Mr.. Glen
ME. OF course. said that he believed that additional
ballast had been shipped-about six tons, he
thought-but like Dunraven he had not seen the
transfer and had seen no one who could say any
thing definite on the subject.
The published statement bears out The Tribune's
prognosticaon as far as the Defender side Is con-
cerncd. even to the order in which the Witnesses
called
HERRBsHOFF'S STATEMENTS.
Nathaniel G. Herreshofr. the designer of the De-
fender said that an additional immersion OF four
inches would require the addition OF about th.r-
teen tons OF ballast. The designer. when asked
what the effect OF so much additional ballast |
would be, said that II would be n detr.ment and
that 1t would have impaired the Defenders sailing
Qualities The evidence OF Herreshon would have
been enough 10 show the faulty reasoning OF Lord
Dunraven for the fact was clearly established that |
there could be no advantage IN taking on additional
ballast. and that a sight Est might have caused
the pipe hole to disappear beneath the surface OF |
the water.
Latham A. Flsh's testimony showed that Dun |
ravens memory not good as to the converse, |
ton which he had with Mr.. Fish. and contained |
nothing surprising to those who have contended all
along that II would be found that the sngIshman
charge Of by the committee Lord Dunraven, il |
seems did not suggest how or by what means the
additional weight was added, and said simply that
IL could be done by putting IN pig lead or by run
mig in shot. He thought that water would have
been useless ballast unless II was contained in
A. Cass Canied. the secretary Of the Cup Com
mtttec. a Witness and testified as to the letter
received from Dunraven in which he asked that
the yachts be marked on the outside OF the load
The matter was referred to q sub,
consisting Of a. Cass Garfield and
Tbnn foows n statement of how the sub-corn-