The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1896-03-21
GREAT BRITAIN And EGYPT.
Mr.. Morley Proposes a Vote Of CSnSurG
ON The Government.
HOUSE NOT TAKEN INTJ CONFIDENCE
Regarding the Policy of the Government
Mr.. Chamberlain Replics-A New STU
alton In Africa-Thc Result IL kae-
saIa Should Fall.

LONDON, March -2O.-In the House oil
Commons to-day Mr.. G.. y. Curzon' IN
der Foreign Secretary. stated that the
Italian Government had communicated 10
the British Government the information
that there was prospect that the Der
wishes would make an attack upon has
sala, and pointed out the effect such an
attack would have upon Egypt.
Mr.. John Morley asked If majority
Of the Egyptian debt commission were
competent to sanction the proposed eA-
pcnditure for the Dongola expedition
MT. Curzon said that the commission
controlled two funds. The largest oi
these, which was derived from d con
version OF the Egyptian deOt received
the unanimous consent Of the powers 10
authorize expenditures OF the whole OF
any part thereof but the smaller one,
reserve fund amounting to L, W'wV, ne
said. might be disposed of by majority
OF the commission.
MORLEYS VOTE OF CENSUKE.
During the debate of the estimates Mr..
Jon .IofjcyAnid cheers from the Liberal
benches. moved to reduce the vote lor the
Foreieh on &C. in order 20 call attention 10
recent events in Egypt. Mr.. Morley said,
IN reply to "A question, that unqucstloh-
ably his motion sought vote OF censure
upon thc G.r nment, ana recalled the
circumstance that he himself had moved
a similar vote I'm 1855 upon the then LID
eral Government IA condemnation oil lis
policy in Egypt.
in the course Of his argument Mr.. Nor
ley admitted that the occupation Of EGYPT
By Great Britain had been productive OF
much benefit and many blessings to the
people Of that country. CONSERVATIVE
choers) But, he said, the long cOntinu-
ance OF that occupation had been irdu8ht
with great disadvantages 10 Great Bril-
ain. 1t was the unfortunate step the
Government was taking TO delay the
evacuation of Egypt and divert Egyptian
funds from the purposes Of Egyptian De-
velopment and the application OF the
money 10 Englands own purpose. pro
testing cries of on Oh,' from the Con-
servativc benchesJ
LACK OF CONFIDENCE.
The new policy. he declared. would i'm
pose upon Egypt the duty of governing
one of the most difficult territories on the
face of the earth The Government. Mr..
Morley said. had not explained their
policy, and the Ministers had declined 90
treat the House with that confidence
that the country had reason TO expect on
the eve OF so great an undertaking. So
hazardous a proposal, he said, could
never be justified by a reason so meagre.
nimsy, irrelevant. and hollow as the one
advanced.
Nj Morlcys remarks We're received
with prolonged Liberal cheers
Mr.. Chamberlain, Secretary Of State
for the Colonial Department. said
would be impossible for the opposition
10 pass judgment upon the policy OF the
Government unless the Government
could make up their minds definitely ID
regard TO the immediate evacuation of
Egypt. Nothing i'm recent history he
said could he looked back TO with more
pride and satisfaction than the peaceful
reign i'm Egyptian affairs, which had been
accomplished with a handful of men
and a British civil administration. II
Egypt should be abandoned all this
would be undone. Egypt must he de-
Tended If her prosperity was TO continue.
The consent of the majority OF the
powers had already been given 10 Eng
lands plan Of meeting the expenses, ana
the Government had no knowledge lead
ing them TO assume that the consent OF
the remaining powers would be finally
refused. If the result Of the British
expedition should in a measure relieve
Egypt from the constant menace OF
attacks by the Dervishes. the expenditure
incurred would be more than compcn-
stated for II wol'd be impossible TO
fulfill Englands duty TO the people so
long as the Dervishes were permitted TO
threaten peaceful industry by their con-
slant raids.
A NEW SITUATION.
The defeat of the Italians in Abyssinia
had created new situation. If Kassala
should fan, the III effect upon Egypt
would be incalculable. The various
tribes of the Soudan were putting aside
their internecine disputes and combining
I'm great effort against Egypt. Ihe
wisest policy was 10 anticipate their at
tack and prevent the Dcrvishes from
concentrating against one object What
ever the Egyptian advance might uiii-
mately be- he said, IT would be limited
only by the nature ana extent OF the
resistance encountered and the mainte-
nance OF the security Of the community.
Mr.. Henry Labouchere said the Gov
eminent should wait before taking acuoh
until Egypt is attacked 10y the DerNlshes.
The reluctance on the part or ministers
TO disclose their plans. he declared, con-
cclled a large scheme. Mr.. inboucnefe
predicted that the expedition, unless
checked by disaster. would go TO Donso4a,
Khartoum. and Darfur.
Mr.. Henry NJ. Stanley. the explorer.
who represents the north division OF
Iambeth IN the interest of the LIBERAL
Tnlonists asserted that Egypt had q
right TO reclaim her former frontiers. and
that the opportunity TO DO so nad come.
The total defeat of the Mahdists. Mr..
Stanley declared, must precede the indie
pendence of Egypt.
PLAN OF THE CAMPAIGN.
The Right Hon. George Curzon said that
the expedition would take . strongly de-
fensiVe position at Akash, where IL would
remain until the hot season, when, II II
was thought desirable ii would proceed
to DongOla. The Government. he added,
possessed proofs that there was "A gem
cral ferment among the DerNishes, ana
that they were threatening kassala, ana
the Nile valley.
sir William Vernon Harcourt, the op-
position leader in the House. said that
the Government was entering upon long,
would not state the true object or define
the real limits Of the expedition He be-
lieved il would be condemned by the
people.
The Right Hon. \. ]. Balfour First
Lord of the Treasury and Government
leader in the House, said there was Moth
ing in the expedition 10 excite suspicion
or alarm in France. The operations had
no relation 10 the British occupation of
Egypt The position of Egypt could not
be satisfactory until that country regain
ed control Of a large part of the Soudan.
Everything gained for Egypt would be
gained forever II would not be an ad-
vance followed by retreat He was
convinced that in the interest OF Egypt,
and OF Egypt alone the Government was
well advised in initiating this policy.
a vote was then taken on Mr.. Morley's
motion. ana IL was defeated. Us 10 1fJ.