New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1896-02-23

you had thousands Of Of nnd
at fair prices Your natural wealth IN mines etc, to-
aas ae sysn g9u Of e has ana
work for all who wanted It,. Now. however that
sending you it, surplus Of pedestrians the condl
tons of life are getting TO be similar to those mere
men will be forced organize and fight for their heir
rights as they have in Europe. When that tine
comes, Socialism will make It's way ana perhaps
more quickly than anywhere else" a. T., ~.
Do you think that the present interest t., in co the
servatives is likely to hurt your cause|
SUSPICIOUS SOCIALISTS.
Not In the least In the first place. all the sud
den interest is merely attempt to hinder the
spread OF Socialism, and the workngman under
stands 1t perfectly. In the Imperial message or
Kaiser Wilhelm /. for example which came out In
1881. from which time most OF the modern legislation
in favor of the aboring classes be dated. 1t was
frankly admitted that only by such tender treat
ment OF the lower classes can Social Democracy be
defeated 1t did not come from love of the working
among them rapidly that great disaster was
menacing the State unless the working class could
be appeased Then, too at the same time that these
reforms were suggested prohibtory laws were
passed against US. In other words. the Government
offered us sugar in hand and whip in the other.
No; look on all this official interest in the proe-
laws. for example much they were praised,
We're simply new plan whereby the workingman
should be put still more in the power of his en-
We'll, do YOU think that the Church will be able
10 step In and do something's"
mo- According to its origin and teaching 1t ought
to 90 great deal but Il has become merely an IN,
to exploit the working people That is to say it is
trying to serve God and Mammon at the same time.
however. that the Catholic Church has done more
for the worknrmen in Germany than the Protes-
tant. The Kulturkampf which Bismarck fought
against is the main reason The priests that
to win the battle they have the masses on their
side. and to get them. they were clever enough to
profess much interest in their earthly welfare
as in their heavenly. Then; too. when the working
man was allowed to vote. the Catholics wanted him
for their party and the young priests were partcu-
larry active in trying to keep him from us, To &C
take some interest in him and that naturally
won them recruits But we are now gam
sure TO have them on our side when they are once
able TO compare intelligently and without bias the
merits OF the two parties.
But how, are you going to get the peasants?
understand ,hst you nave abou, exhausted your
10 remain tn stu or get the a o
over 10 Socialism: Is this true?'
PLENTY OF NEW MATERIAL.
I'm the first place have not finished with the
Industrial classes-not by any. manner Of means
There are millions OF workingmen in these classes
and il stands TO reason that We have not got them
all. Every day We get new recruits. and there are
hundreds OF thousands still to be persuaded. 1t is
true. however, that want the peasants. and We
natural friends They are being more and more
pauperized every year ana t:ere Is no party IN
do We have been hiniered in working among them
do in manufacturing districts on account OF
the exceptional laws under winch all land laDorers
placed. They are forbidden 70 form societies
and clubs similar to those which the industrial
workman has long since enjoyed ana STRIKE on
their part for better wages IS Impossible Natu-
rally this has DELAYED our work among mem
but, as said. they are our natural frlends ana IN
time We shall have them. just as to-day we nave
Herr Bebel was asked what he thought OF the
Emperor present attitude toward the Social Dem,
not wan, 20 reply but he finally said -,
well. must be careful about that point II
much, might both get into trouble-very serious
trouble; but you write down this much; His
Sry e9nsircte nature on one side they cause
much headshaking and on another much ind.gna-
ton. They also frequently accomplish the very OPP
posite OF what they intended 70. in that they
drive great many people into our ranks. i ne
borhood Of the Kaiser that tells him lies about US
which he accepts az truths That TINS has nor
That Herr Bebel believes that Socialism is com,
ing Il well enough known, for he has often said SO
/ publicly: but when is II coming and how! Again ne
shook mis- head.
WHEN AND HOW?
well" he said. that depends. II may be de-
layed for a long time. and II may come SOON l
can easily Imagine a time when the worklngman
Will be 90 strong that nothing can hold him back.
think also that this time will come much sooner
than most people think You sec the progress that
has already been made in Germany? Well. II that
keeps on. wha, may not happen THIS much you
tension Of capitalism and any offensiveness on It's
cart toward the working classes VII only hasten
The day when IL must give way 10 Socla! Defnoc,
racy How Il VIII give way and whether blood
wgi be shed or no, is a question which cannot
answer For M part, hope that the cnahBe VIII
cone peaceaby and without SUFFERING
Then you seek revenge against society;
None whatever. I hold no person or set OF per-
sons RESPONSIBLE for the present condition OF things
Each class. long as these conditions last, must
act for It's own individual interests Society to-day
Is but the result OF development which has been
going on for centuries. We Social Democrats now
seek 10 direct this development 50 that every human
being irres pectlvc OF sex. race and creed snail nave
rl social equality and fair chance 10 live In every
member OF his being That Is our IDEAL ana some
day a VIII Doe realized. o,
AMI t. need only Doe added that Herr lehel ma not
giya the impression in the least OF being the bad.
fraltor0us man that his pc.rch opponents repre-
sont him Tha, he IS A determined man cannot he
doubted nor that IS fierce enemy or the present
order Of things but nothing Is GiicoEerabe IN either
his sneech or his manner which could be called VIM
1i,lve or ruthlessly destructive. he may be on the
wrong track IN politics. and MS social theories may
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