New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1896-02-23


In the common prisons" he continued. the life.
OF course. different. In the fort was frst-
class prisoner ami had the privileges OF such, but
In the penitentiaries have had to live like the other
Inmates. | have always been shut up in a cell
by myself. and there has been but little oppor
tunity for Intercourse with outsiders. cannot
say however. that regret this. for 1t is not pleas
ant to associate with criminals ard should have
been forced into such companonshlp had not been
Isolated.
You be careful" Herr Bebel continued. IN
reporting me on this matter not to make my re-
marks sound too complimentary Of prison life, for
| am still liable to be arrested for my opinions. and
II the authorities should think that had found the
life in prisons unpleasant. they would see ihat
1t so the next time. No! Sitting in prison
cell Is hard business. and nothing that can say
viii make II otherwise"
| asked Herr Bebel about his book Ole Frau.
He has written O. number OF others, notably Inc
Peasants War and THE Mahomctan Arabian GU
ture Period" but his frs work remains by all odds
the most popular Twenty-Five large editions have
already appeared In Germany, and 1t has been trans
lated into fifteen different languages-twice Into
English As every one probably knows. 1t deals
with the position Of women "in the past, present
and future"
Il wrote the book" he replied. after long STUDY
OF the Industrial conditions IN which women have
been forced to live Much Of the trouble In the
world seemed to me to be bound up with this ques-
ton and I thought II worth while to bring II 70
public notice IN the way did did not however
write the book any more for women than ior men.
Indeed much OF it applies particularly to men ana
their treatment Of women
one result. of Herr Bebels going into this qnes-
ton is that he is a stanch friend OF woman's Legal
rights He believes that she should have the rish'
TO vote and play an equal part in the worids DUEL
ness-a very modern opinion for a German
NOT A BISMARCK ADMIRER
n, p,snarck.s e,ghtlo,h birthday Herr Bebel to-
rethcr with his fellow Socialists IN the keichs'As'
when asked by the president TO JOIN Win '''e 80
parties IN sending congratulations to the eN-C"Ai'
ceuor refused point blank TO do anything Oh ''ie
sort The newspapers reported the ep'soue "''
at the time and many people thought that 'he "o
cialists had acted In an ungt ntlemanly manner
could not forbear asking Herr Rebel for MS o""
explanation OF the affair -.
.ou- attitude toward Bismarck" he said, "on
that occasion was the only natural one u az "
politica, parties. The man has been from '"e Ye'.
/ hey.nniug OF our existence as party our n'oS'
,rr,hle enemy He has prosecuted us. bdnished US
,,esad laws against W.. sent Us 10 prison ana "o'e
.,.rvfbing I'm his power 70 make our lot upea'" N'
He was the author OF the Socialist law Oh "''''
ali the Indirect taxes which now press - "'"'"'
on the workngman, and n has dohe ms "
keen the worl.ngman down. But few days oe''',
h v,s driven from office he said. IN criticism OF
-, ,-es.,, Kaser's attempts at that time TO Ues'
with us more lcniently: That's no way ~ ""',-'
,h,sc Socialists What they need Is 10 De S"NeN
into the street and shot down why shou'u ",
send birthday greetings TO such man -
have been the height u ahsu'a'ty' 49,.
And. AS FAR as alone an concerned ca" '''
49,, D.. xas Tho cause % my being sent 10 the penn
,.,,,arv for SIX months Il was In 10 lie h'u a.
,,ckea m. In a fierce speech IN the He.chS'"| anu
when I got UP to reply the House voted me u'"''
/ then wrote a brochure. stating my sue o. NV
.,-. What did Bismarck DO? He had me ar
rested and sent to prison for max year ->0
Rad no reason 20 congratulate him.
,,1,ve Won ever had any dealings with Bismarck
outside OF The ReichstagF
None whatever Late In the ssNNes NJ use' ~
hay, 4 beer evening In his palace every SAtuf-
1,y g, .s, ard members OF the Pruss.an Parha-
men, we're invited. but never went near MINI
". have me: only in Parliament. and then nave
,c,c- Ind A fair chance 20 debate with him. II /
had addressed him the Ray ne has me- shou'd
have been called to order very quickly. ne u
course said and d!d what ne liked
"Anar, from his treatment OF you and the Social
/ ,.,s &, general do you consider him great man
II do no, \ man who has made 80 many mis-
,akes In home and foreign politics As he has Is not
In my opinion a great The only qualities
r.cogu,ze In Bismarck nre his utter Indifference to
,,hcr peoples feelings and his absolute lack OF
scrup!e In such matters he is without peer.
GERMAN UNITY \ NECESSITY.
How do You .ecl. then about German unity
and 10 you mink that the dislike OF 1t. SHOWN
from time 20 time IN different parts Of the Empire
ia Indicative u dlslntesration%'
German unity is a POLITICAL social and economl-
cal necessity. and viii stand. no matter what
happens Tho 'pAriicularsmus' which shows rs
head now aal then IN Saxony and southern Ger
mary IS % 40 serious Importance our unity IS
nbs0itciy .nIcleuIent OF persons and politics. and
~ petty Quarge.Ag ia any part % the country can
",o ,ou think that the annexation OF A.sace-
l.lFf al "A
II mos, certainly d. l consider 1t one OF the
gr,afesi POLITICAL mistakes ~ modern times. and
have said So on oyery occasion since the settlement
uiih France Nrs.irs being "a. cause OF all the
armaments which are now such a burden to
Europe 4, has made two great states mortal enc
Hussin which at present Folds the arbi,ersAip IN
continental POLITICS Il IL also ereaty To blame for
he gcucIai feeling %, uncertainty that character
.zos an our diplomacy IL ny Judgment Germany
v!vcndl WITH France"
tn eonversaron drified on TO Socialism. ana
this term. he is noted In Germany for his unre-
ana VIII not give IN one whit to tho opportunis,.c
tendencies witch are now ra,her prominent among
~" south German SOCIALISTS tie believes IN suck
ing the theory OF the matte Ia all of its detail.
AMI is un%ll.ins 70 dsil WIN rs c2nstitaents on
leading Socialist in Southern Germany is said 10
favor kecping back the thepretcA part ~ socialism
Il moan by socialism" Herr Beoel answered. IAN
entire reconstruction OF sOcieiy-a change for in
stance. FAR greater than that from feulallsm 70
our present FREQ cap!talistc regime. IL would take
will give y.u som" %, ia" main points. In the SO
clastlc siste. or society. IS prefer TO call 1t. all
land and the means OF production. well trans
portation. 10 be exclusively in the hands Of the
people and not. Is The case. In the hands OF
particular class Everybody Will have to work.
There are be- no drones and renters, and each
person t. be paid according to his work be II OF
the hand or brain But money viii not be the
means OF payment. A simple exchange OF goods or
service is 10 take the place OF IT, and these goods
and services are not to be appraised according 10
their worth in money only the work expended on
them viii determine their exchange value. and no
mi ld.cman ami commercial expOiters Will he al
lowed to enhance II. Indeed. such persons Will not
exist when Socialism Is IN working order. for
cieiy IS to be the and only entrepreneur and
EMPLOYER The common workman Is TO have the
same chance to satisfy his wants as the brain
worker and only those who Will not work are 10
I suffer. ..
ALI. OR NOTHING.
ct do not believe in any Socialism that lacks either