Birmingham state herald., 1896-02-08

occasion to say that North Carolina had | followed South Carolina out of the union
 in secession and that North and South | Carolina, too. had been whipped To | that have nothing to say. l only in | jocular way remarked to the gentleman l that he was mistaken; that South Caro- | lima had never been whipped; that she wore herself out trying to whip the other | fellow, but when he said, in substance, | that he was ashamed of such action on | the part of his state, I rose, possibly in | an unparliamentary manner and in the l heat of the moment impulsively. said | that South Carolina was not ashamed of l the part she took in it. that she was l proud of it. and that l for one indorsed | secession then and I thought we were 1 right think so yet-and that under the l same circumstances, surrounded by the l same conditions, I would do the same | thing now, MT. Speaker, 1 repeat it-' | Up to this point MT. Talbert had been l attracting apparently little attention, but | here he was interrupted by MT. Barrett
 republican. of Massachusetts, who called I him to order and demanded that his | words be taken down.
 Almost instantly there was much con- l fusion on the floor and disorder which | almost prevented MT. Talbert from being
 heard to say: II am willing, Mr Speak l CT, for my words to be taken down, but | I propose to stand by every word utter | upon this floor"
 | The speaker (vigorously yielding the l gaveD-The gentleman will have to re- l sume his seat.
 . While the words were being transcribed ] many republicans endeavored to dis | suade Mir Barrett from prosecuting his 1 point of order, but unsuccesSfully. When
 the reporters notes had been transcribed l Speaker Reed asked: Does the gentle | man from Massachusetts insist that the l words shall be taken down?"
 l MT. Barrett-I ask that the words be l taken down because as 1 understand the remarks of the gentleman from South 1 Carolina his statement was in direct vio- | lation of the oath he took al the bar of | this house at the opening of this con- gross.
 | After the clerk had read the objection | able language the speaker suggested to | the gentleman from Massachusetts that l the gentleman was repeating what he
 said previously for the purpose of mak- l ing some modification, as the chair un- | derstood.
 Mir. Crisp moved that the gentleman | from South Carolina be permitted to ex- | plain. This motion precipitated discus | sion as to the parliamentary procedure,
 the excitement continuing to increase, l despite the efforts of the speaker to re- | strain the members. In it's course MT.
 Barrett said: 'I do not object to the gen
 tleman from South Carolina at the proper | time being allowed to explain the state
 ment made by him with deliberation; l that under certain circumstances hav- 1 ing taken the oath of office to support the | constitution of the United States he | would attempt to humiliate 1t; but l do | claim that the rule does not give any | right to postpone the present consdera- | tion of the resolution which l propose to | submit to the house.
 | The rule regarding procedure in such l cases was discussed by MT. Crisp with
 numerous interruptions and questions. Do nlo nH | what had occurred. He said "On Wednesday night I was one of the few members of this house who, braying the action of the elements, was present at the meeting here for the discussion of the 1 bill now or a few moments ago, under | discussion in the house, To my surprise | I heard the remarks made by the gen. l tleman from South Carolina at the time | and I supposed some member older and | more experienced than myself would | take proper action on the subject. But | several moments having elapsed and, | therefore. the point of order having be- | come properly applca ble that the atten- tion of the house was not promptly called to the subject, allowed 1t to drop, think | ing that perhaps the gentleman from South Carolina had, in a moment of ex- | citement made statement of treason | to the constitution of the United States which sober reflection and time for con- | sideration would prompt him to disavow. ms morning, ID ny Stlll SIcotCi ooi- prise, he rose and reiterated that asser- | tion that under certain circumstances | he having within two months taken the l oath of office carrying with it the oath of 1 allegiance to the constitution of the United States-he would approve and in- l dorse and participate in secession. The 1 gentleman might have been allowed to | proceed under the ordinary interpreta- | tion of the rule if he had simply violated | the rules of this house, under which he
 might very properly have made immedi-
 ate explanation, for which the gentleman l from Georgia might have asked leave | that he be given time.'
 | MT Crisp's motion was finally agreed | to and MT Talbert explained what he | called the misnterpretation rather than | the misrepresenta ton of his remarks by l saving that the circumstances and condi- l tions that existed when South Carolina | seeded could and would never exist any more and he was glad of it. (Applause) | He added that while South Carolina seeded as she thought to be her duty | with the light before her then, 1t is quite l different today, and he did not say that | he wished 10 violate the thirteenth l amendment of the constitution by advo- | eating secession. because those circum- | stances and conditions cannot ana never 1 will exist again.
 At the request of Mir Barrett the clerk | read the resolution offered by him which | declared that the words uttered by MT. 1 Talbert "are seditious and reasonable, | in violation of the oath taken by said 1 gentleman at the opening of this session, | and that said statement is hereby cen l sured by the house and that it be stricken l from the Record" Applause on the re- l publican side)
 The confusion and excitement which l had been temporarily allayed were re- | newed as MT. Barrett endeavored to ad- dress the house.
 1 MT. Dalzell, republican, of Pennsylva- | mia, wanted to refer the matter to the | committee on judiciary, and MT. Cannon. | republican. of Illinois. moved to lay 1t | on the table. The latter proposition met | cries of NO" on the republican side and | applause on the democratic side, and MT. | Boutelle remarked: "I think the man
 who makes that motion ought to lie orE | the table"
 Mir Cannon--Oh, very well, will make | 1t when get the opportunity
 | MT. Dingley, republican. of Maine, sug- | eested to MT. Barrett 1t would be well to | refer the matter to the committee on ju- <..yy Ax