Rocky Ford enterprise., 1896-05-07
T,LLMAN SPEAKS AGA N.
He Denouncss Mr.. Cleveland and spars
With 8 .nntor HIIl.

AAi"ue hot slttch I'LL tne SENATE yesterday
the first since his recent Western trip
and II WAS full of interest to the senators
present.
He took the floor during the discussion
of the naval bill and said lie had found,
during his brief experience here, that there
were some strange things happening in the
Navy department and all other depart
ments. 1T seems to be suffering from too
much red tape, too much bureaucracy"
said he. He spoke Of the great number Of
bureaus and divisions In the Navy depart
ment which see.sawed and divided the re.
sponsibillty. The senator had concluded
that the main purpose was to make US
much money as possible out of the govern
ment. He soon branched of to the bond
issue, and said he denied the right Of the
president to issue bonds for meeting cur
rent expenses. There was no law allow
Ing the president "to hocus pocus and
bamboozle the people by doing by indl-
rection what he would not do by direc-
tion."
A president overrides all decency, over
indirectly what he dares not do directly.
Mr.. Hill entered the chamber and took
a seat In front OF Mr.. Tillman. The hr-
ter went on to refer to Mr.. Hills desIgna-
ton him Crillman) rs Popullst, zone
Of the taIlors OF Tooley street."
Mr.. Hill rose to state that he had never
classed Mr.. Tillman as Populist.
Mr.. Tillman insisted that Mr.. Hills re-
marks as to "coterie" included him AMI
exclaimed he would rather be In such
coterie than with certain men on this side,
who go around labeled democrats" but
who were not Democrats, and he said,
an prove II before get through"
The South Carolina senator said he
came from state that supported and fol-
lowed him. and that he could place Its
vote where he desired.
"And can you say as much3" he asked
Mr.. Hill.
Mr.. Hill blandly inquired II Mfr. Tillman
meant to say that he could carry the great
state Of South Carolina into Popullsm.
Mr.. Tillman replied that he meant 10
say he represented his state ami could tell
where 1t was going and how It would
vote. and turning to Mr.. Hill. said saw
agely. And that Is more than you can do.
The people OF South Carolina have not
been bambooxlcd and dcbauched."
Then again. addressing Mr.. Hin. he de-
clared sarcastIcally: "You represent the
people! Yes you do? You represent the
bondholders and the bankers" After criti-
cising bond lssues, Mfr. Tillman exclaimed:
"If you force this thing much farther
there will be liquidation OF bond and In.
terest too"
"And II you can't have that" coolly
suggested Mr.. Hill. 81 suppose you'll have
bloodshedY'
"Yes, and the blood will he on your
hands," responded Mr.. Tillman. his words
ringing through the chamber.
II tell you We are desperate" Mr.. TILL
man went on. IL have been through the
West and know how the people feel"
The senator drew comparison between
Andrew jackson and Grover Cleveland.
One was the man Of the people. he s,id.
"But Cleveland stands as the tool Of the
classes" he declared. adding that the pres
ident represented only money. the Al.
mighty Dollar. The president had no p,'-
Icy, he went on. except the policy Of the
senator from Ohio tshcrman.
"If Grover Cleveland" he shouted with
an emphasis that fairly made the chamber
ring. ''ever goes before the people again
he can bear on his brow the eulogy OF the
senator from Ohio mfr. shcrman). who de-
clarcd on the floor Of this chamber that the
president had simply done his duty. They
are linked together. Grover Cleveland,
John Sherman and John Carlisle are afiin-
tiles.
''The question Is. will the people bc 80
damnably foolish rs to trust them again.
Proceeding. he argued with vehemcncc
that taxes to pay for the bonds would he
wrung from the hands OF the toiling
masses. Nothing would he paid by the
plutocrats who 81, In their offices and clip
ped coupons. Mr.. Tillman referred TO
the Ohio senator (Shcrman) and his ass,o-
cIates In their contemplate work.
Mr.. Sherman sat across the aisle. ap-
parcntly unmoved.
perhaps you can bamboozlc the Ico.
pie" he said. addressing Mr.. Sherman:
"the fools are not all dead yet. but they
are getting mighty restless"
At one point Mr.. Tillman addressed a
direct question TO Mr.. Sherman concern
Ing the interests Of the laboring people.
"will the senator answer me tbaty' asked
Mr.. Tillman. pausing In anticipation OF n
response by Mr.. Sherman. But the lat
ter looked directly at the South Carolina
senator and remained in his scat without,
answering. Mr.. Tillman next took up
Secretary Herbert. who. said the senator.
had made speech at Cleveland to some
bankers. and made running comments
while he rad a speech recently made by
the secretary before the Cleveland Cham
Der of Commerce.
"If the people want this Cleveland-Car-
lisle- Sherman rule. all right. let them have
1t, let them fry.
"But I tell you can sec the end com.
Ing" said Mr.. 1'illman. One thing
know there IA a God in Heaven. and
reckoning must come. We need puria-
cation convention to declare the peoples
rights and to tie the In JPis OF thieves who