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Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1896-11-21

We agree with the Anglican
Church Chronicle that the terms
"new" and "old" in reference to
education are misleading. Educa
tors hundreds of years ago not
ably Commenius advocated the
same things. 1t is hard however
to find better adjectives.
The foregoing is from the Pro-
gressive Educator. There were
normal school graduates on the
east side Of America thirty years
ago who were the equals of the
best teaching material in the
world today. They could rule
schools of forty to eighty in
one room, including classes from
the primary to academic grades,
without au assistant and without
using rulers and walking sticks
to procure the strictest discipline.
A child from one OF their schools
at thirteen years of age, having
ordinary capacity, was fit for
matriculation in any academy. 1t
would be too much to expect such
good quality in the public schools
of Hawaii, owing to the large
admixture of children to whom
English is a foreign tongue.
Still there is a great deal that our
teaching fraternity needs to learn
in methods, both of tuition and
discipline, and il the movement
for the "new" now on is destined
to work an improvement, the
BULLETIN wishes it godspeed.
There is far too much brutal vio-
lence for procuring discipline,
even amongst the youngest chill
dren, right in the schools of Ho-
nolulu. Hitting infants over
the hands and faces with hard
rulers and pointers is a common
practice, in more schools than
one, and hitherto complaints to
superiors have been unavailing to
stop it.
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1896-11-21
WV. DIMONDs

Men and women are but
older children and enjoy re-
ceiving gifts quite as much as
the little tots. Some mothers
and wives enjoy baubles; others
Of q more useful turn of mind
appreciate something for the
table or the home generally.
We have heard of ladies who
hung up their stocking, ex-
pecting to find a box of bon
bons in it on awakening, but
instead were gratifed to find
set of French China. We
do not advise this, because,
unless it is especially strong,
the stocking is apt to be in
|jured.
We received ex Miowera
an invoice of the finest Royal
Worcester Ware ever brought
to this country. The cases
will be open on Monday and
the goods ready for your in
spection.
On the S. G. Wilder, al
most due, we have $4,000
worth of American cut glass,
suitable for everyday use,
and a new assortment of
Onyx tables and piano lamps
combined. Also five o'clock
teas and chatting dishes in
new designs. And on the
oath via Sydney, we will
have an invoice of French
China in three new designs.
Also a number of pieces of
statuary.
We are ready for Christmas.
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1896-11-21

Sixteen million dollars worth
of New York City 81 per-
cent bonds going all to one local
bidder at premium of All shows
that there is lot of money wait
ing in that quarter for good secu-
rity. The Hawaiian a percent
refunding bonds surely ought to
be snapped up quick, especially if
McKinley's election, as is claim
ed, brings annexation within
measurable distance.
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1896-11-21

There is an impression abroad,
bearing considerable evidence of
being true, that before President
Cleveland steps out, an annexa-
ton proposition will be submitted
to Hawaii. Minister Cooper's
visit to Washington is mentioned
as having such a thing as its chief
significance.
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1896-11-21

in such desperate need of cable
that she should sacrifice every
thing in sight for that desired
boon. There was not thought
of annexation in mind while the
paragraph was being written.
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1896-11-21
meIy Topics

A GOOD THING.
Do you know a good thing
when you see it? Some peo-
pie do and some don't, but
those who tumble to it are
bound to get ahead in the race
for wealth. We can put you
on to a thing or two. Just
now we want you to
GIVE YOUR HORSE
A TREAT.
Remember he is your best
friend and if you treat him
we'll and feed him well, he will
do more work and better work,
besides looking as a noble
equine ought to look.
1.-THE NATIONAL FEED
Box
will work a complete metamor-
phoSiS in the condition and
the appearance of your horse.
1t is a circular shaped vessel,
made of cold rolled steel, fine
ly galvanized, with a Malleable
Iron Side Rod, each box fur
nished complete with a Japan
ned Wrought Iron Holder,
Plate and Screws. This feed
box has the advantage that
you can put it up anywhere in
the stall or box, does not waste
a particle of the feed, will
always be sweet and clean,
and is especially desirable
where a horse is inclined to
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1896-11-21

All that the BULLETIN meant to
convey, in its reference to Mr..
Isenberg's opinion on the cable
question, was that Hawaii was not
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1896-11-21

An article on "Judicious Adver-
Using" in this issue is one to be
studied by business men.
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1896-11-21
Notice.

The KHAN sailing Nov. zO'h will be due
in Honolulu, Wednesday, Nov. 25th, in.
stead of Friday, Nov, 27th, as per time
table.
WILDER'S s STEAMSHIP CO., LID.
Honolulu, Nov. IL, 1895. AGO II
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1896-11-21
ANNEXATION.

u6AdllOn VI thC lldWulluu loiohiS
to the United States. They are
the People of the United States
and the People of Hawaii. The
party of the second part is
the People of Hawaii as
whole-not any class or faction or
combination of classes and fac
tioHs, but a plain ruling majority
of all residents such as would be
eligible candidates for citizenship
of the United States, if living in
that country today or living here
at the time this country should be
annexed. 1t may be declared as
automatic that the sense of the
. American nation is against adding
another race question to that
which the Union accepted with
the Acknowledgement of the negroes
of the South. Not that the native
Hawaiians born to self.govern-
ment and with educational quail,
fcations are to be placed in COM
parison with the negroes just
emarcipated from slavery and
illiterate, but where the compe-
tency of the negro to vote
has been a vexing question the
willingness OF the Hawaiian to
become an American voter is q
question that will have to be
solved before Hawaii is admitted
to the Union. Government with
out the consent of the governed is
against the principles of the Dec
laration Of Independence. Now,
the controlling majority of the
foreign population is committed
to annexation, through the Consti-
tuition of this Republic which it
has successfully maintained under
no small difficulty. The activity
and agitation now advocated to
take advantage of the supposed
more favorable conditions for an
neXation in the United States,
consequent upon the triumph of
the Republican party on plat.
form declaring for American
control" of Hawaii, would under
our constitutional status be alb
surd if the movement is in
tended simply to convert dis
sident foreigners or to in
fiuence the action of the United
States. The main force of any
renewed activity in behalf Of an
nexation on this side should be
directed toward conciliating the
native Hawaiians and convincing
them that it is for their best in
terests that they fall into line
with the manifest destiny" of
their country, which for two gen
erations has been regarded by
intelligent observers inside and
outside to be incorporation in
to the great Union. While
it is absurd to expect or
even suppose that the rulers of
this Republic should submit its
existence to a plebiscite, or popu-
lar vote without political test in
advance, yet it may be taken as
certain that, when it comes to the
decision of annexation, the whole
people of Hawaii will be required
to pass upon the question.
The practice of other great
countries in the acquisition of
territory is no criterion by which
to estimate probable American
policy in this regard. There are
principles in the American great
charter of liberty and constitution,
applicable to our case, which are
not likely to be violated
in this matter. The various
purchases of territory by the
United States, which may be cited
in opposition to the present argu-
ment, are beside the question. In
no case of such purchase did the
United States take forcible
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1896-11-21
TO THE PUBLIC.

Notice is hereby given that 1
have revoked and annulled all
powers of whatsoever nature,
heretofore conferred upon A. Rosa
by ME, and under which he has
assumed the management of my
property and the collection of
moneys due me. Parties paying
money to said Rosa for my account
will do so at their peril.
[Sgd
WILLIAM M. MAHUKA.
456 2w
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1896-11-21

Trains will leave at 9:l5 A. NJ.
and l:45 P. NJ, arriving in Homo
lulu at Bill and 5:55 Pm.
Evening bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1895-1912, 1896-11-21
BOLTING, SOLDERING
OR SCATTERING.

1t saves feed bills at a rate
Of from Is to 80 per cent.
Saves Doctors bills by pre-
venting indigestion, collie and
stomach troubles. Saves host
ler's time, trouble and vexation.
1t pays for itself in a few weeks,
and no Stable is complete
without it. They come in 3
sizes, capacity 6. 8 and 10
quarts, and the price is within
the reach of everybody own
ing a horse. We would es-
pecially call the attention OF
managers of Livery Stables to
this new device. 1t will pay
you the trouble to come and
inspect them.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30

The city board Of education was to
have had special meeting last night to
complete the revision OF the rules OF the
board, but only ten members answered
to the roll call. and ~ It takes eleven To
constitute Il quorum, the new board VIII
have the tnalS imposed upon IL.
Last nights meeting was called for :
O'Clock. but ut that hour aIr. Mcconnell,
OF Richie, was the only member on
hand. Other members dropped In slow
~ and when 3 o'clock arrived wlthnu: y
quorum. It was decided 10 walt for an
other half hour The wait being fruit.
less, II was found Inconvcn!eut To Issue
another call FOR this week 10 the old
board bids adlcu TO further consideration
OF educational matters. Had n quorum
been present the revision OF the rules
would have been completed. as the ma
Jor portion was gone over at the last
meeting. The new board may 20 all
over the rules agaln, and II 1t does the
labor 0f the past win 10 for naught.
The last regular meeting ended In
veritablc love feast. and the weary walt
OF last night was pleasantly whIled
away by some OF the members recount
Ing their boylsh cscapades ut school.
President Glrlch, before his scvcnty
years endowed him with such pOrtly
form, was quite slender. According 70
his conversation last night During his
youth he taught school In eastern Ohio,
and his first days experience developed
the fact, uccOrding TO q pupils account.
that The was no bigger than bar or
soap after hard days washing" At
that tIme lie tipped the scales at 100
pounds.
The choice OF president OF the new
board WAS discussed and the general
opinion seemed to be that Mr.. Jefferson
will be the selection. lie IL the oldest
member, having served eight years
Those present last night were Messrs,
BIrney. BoyG. Dudley. D.ckey, McCon-
mel, Medick. Miller. Waltord. We!dner
md the president, Or. UlrICh.
The new board meets on Monday even
next for organization. At this meeting
the president. superintendent and clerk
will be elected
There Is no doubt OF the reelection OF
Superintendent Anderson and It Is said
Il Republican board will repeat the ac-
ton OF the one Just retiring, In eleciinS
Walter Hall. Democrat, HI clerk. Sew
eral Republicans were in the field. In
Guiding MeSSTs. McCully and Edward
Mcdonald. but II Is said they have with
drawn after having become convinced
that Mr.. Hall IS certain Of reelection.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30

Last night the BimetallIc Club held
fairly well attended meeting In thc
quarters in the new I.ange building ut
the corner OF Fourteenth and Mlrke;
streets, President i. II. LanGe IN the
chair and Secretary Thomas +. Thoner
al the desk. The constitution and by
laws reported by special committee
were adopted. after n discussion lasting
two hours. Regular meetings Hre to be
held on the first md third Tuesdays Of
each month. One member wanted the
meetings held on couTcil meeting
nlghts, but Mr.. ThoneT, who says he
expects to be elected a member OF the
second branch from the Filth ward OBJ
jectcd. The club rooms are to he open
daily from 4. NJ. 10 10 p. m. except
on Sundays. when the hours viii be :
p. NJ. to 10 y. N. The club adjourned
TO meet next Tuesday evening, when
officers Will he nominated and the cleo.
ton viii follow on Friday.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30
A MUSICAL TREAT TO OUR CUSTOMERS
Edison's Great Phonograph Free.

We recognize the fact that the monograph never been cx
Mbed where the ladies have had On opportunity hearing ad
vantage We take pleasure in announcing the fact that this
derul invention OF the nineteenth will be on exhibition at
under the personal supervision Mr. RAYMOND Boud the
Edison Companys personal representative Monday Tuesday and
"Wednesday To give each customer chance will present
hear any the ve selections which consists OF all the latest
marches William McKneys great speech the gold question:
William Jennings Bryan great free silver speech Chicago con-
venion, and many others.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30

Water rcntS are now due md nrc sub
Ject 10 4 discount OF 10 per cent II paid
before December 81, 1896. Not taking
advantage OF this discount II equivalent
to borrowing money nj the rate Of 10 per
cent per annum. Can you afIord this {?
Remember, In order 10 save the discount
YOU will have 10 pay your bill on or be.
fore Thursday. December II. 1896. Of
nee open every night this week until s
O'Clock
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30

Some OF the best physicians who
hive had their eyes examined and In
vrstGntcl Professor Sh"T's new scIen-
the method OF examining the eyes and
ntting glasses without uso OF drugs
and making tho patient blind for q
week. or having them look at churts,
etc. or In any why depend upon the
patient, IN wonderful md tho only Rb-
solnto correct way for examining the
eyes FOR glasses. Professor Shelf can DO
ronsul,ed and VIII examine tho eyes
free at no Main street.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30

THE length OF lItc may be increased
nv lcgsnn,nc It's dangers. Tho major
rs o! people die from lung troubles.
These may be avcrlcd by promptly US
Ing one Minute Cough Cure. Charles
n Goethe, COTncr Twelfth and Market
streets; EowIc Il Co. bridgeport; Pea
body & Son, BeuwoOd. .
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30
acknowledgement
"nlc"l Nos. rs aud ~ Fourteenth Slrrri.


Extraordinary Announcement Gund.
ling n Cp.-SOcOnd Page.
For isht--Ott IiroS,
Opera llOuSe--JRmeE Young.
Stockholders McCting-Fort Horny Club.
I.Ost-Shrlncrs Pin.
StockhOldors' MeetIng-Thc Exchange
bank Of Wheeling.
For RCnt-JRmes a. Henry.
%OtlCr-T. NJ. Darwin.
Assignccs Sale Of GruccrICs-T. NJ. Gar
vim.
llHvilarl's Chinn-EwinE Bros.
Special Clearance Salo-JOhn Frlcdel &
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30
ATTENTION, BUTCHERS AND BREWERS

For comfort, warmth anu durability
wear our celebrated All Wool Knit
Jnckrts aud Comic CoRtI.
They are tho heat Hnh the cheHprN. At
popular prices. All lines again com pitie.
G.. HESS 4 AOSS,
FRshtonRbir TRilors nnd Cent? turniAl-
er., 1871 and 1919 Market street.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30

u. Il NIIi.niAN 81 Go. put on sale to-
dnY EOrhhm misunderstanding EOmIiany's,
Whiting Manufacturing ronrpHny'a, Il.
NJ. Whiting & Co.'s nnd Ala uirr Manu-
fnctnring COn,pnny's Sterling silver
Novelties, -
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30
LAST MEETING
OF the City Board of Education
Held Last Night.
A QUORUM WAS NOT ON HAND.

So tho Hoard Adjourned without Con-
Recently Hrported byn Special Com.
mitttr--Now Board WIN Consider Them.
Last NlEhrs Gathering the Occasion ~
Some story Telling by President UirIoii
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30

The following letter explains itself:

The following letter explains !taeII:
WELLSBURG. W. Va. Dec. 2C. 1895.
L. C. O'Neill, Esq, Wheeling, W. Va:
Dear S!r:-Thc pictures came duly to
hand. Both styles OF the cabinet sig"
are indeed good. but the !mperials eN-
coed my expectations. The only fault
that can he found with them Is, that
they arr too good.
Thanking you for your promptness. 1
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30
REMOVAL NOTICE.

Jacob W. Grnbh lihs removed hts store
from the GrRud Opera II0nSr bnildIug to
No. 1900 Market street, where IL large and
elegant line 81 Jrwrlry, Whtr;lts, Dia-
mUnhL, etc., may bo found.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30

\. .. W TsN I.NNO.N,
This Is only one OF number OF such
letters thnt have bceu-recc!ved recently
by Mr. O'Nelll. These expressions, az
well az q constantly increasing trade,
show the public'a estimation OF the
beautifully finished cnrboaettes made at
the O'Eclll studio.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30
lIIIiE! WIRE: MITE;

Tho roof OF our photographic Studio
wai only slichtiy damaged by Fire. We
arc able to make sitiing' at once.
SPECIAL OFFER.
-HrbonettrS 81 per dozen.
KIUtf'S GROUND FLOOR STUDIO,
IONS Main street.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30

rIIlI RpCNHV md Misses Jackets IN
UllliIDllEA y wonderful variety. All ut
the reduced prices,
~ GEO. NJ. SHOOK & co.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30

YOU can't be we'll II your blood Is I'm
pure. but you may have pure blood and
good health By taking Hoods SarsaDa-
rllla. IL
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30

NlR0nv can afford 10 be without q
AVbV"l Jacket when they can be
bought 50 cheap at
GEO. ". SHOOK & cos.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30
Miscellaneous.

All Chdcns Fur Sets that sold for 75c and o0c
All CldrenS Fur Sets that sold up ST 9S 69c
Al musscd and soed Handkccefs that sold up Sc a &C
All mued and soied HandkCrchcs that sold up 25c &c
lot OF Nn fascInaors that musscd sold up 9Sc Mon
DAY az ........ I9c
lot OF "a Chenille Table Covers that sold S5 20c
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30

1'NNArrlI nhIr Jacket values between
uN''hlVii 81 Gj md 80 % at
GEO. NJ. SHOOK Is cos.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30

THE BcabOut Club will dance at thclr
club house OH New Years night.
The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1896-12-30
All Wool Black and Blue
Kersey OTercoats!

That have just been finished to our ORDER and
which VIC propose to self at ten dollars as Illus
tration OF what We can do in the way Of a special
offering. The assortment is complete even to
the special stout and slim sizes If yor have
bought an Overcoat of as good quality, as we'll
made and nicely finished is one Of these for
s. or s. more than price OF $40, you receive
your moneys wortll--wllich is the same as to say
that in buying this Overcoat at this price you re-
ceivr more. Such is the plain unvarnishcd facts.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1896-09-28
T0-DAY'S TELEGRAPHIC NEWS
Mr.. Bryan's Movements.

LYNN, Mass, Sept, 2S.-Wm. ].
Bryan reached Lynn from Bath this
morning. With Mr.. Bryan were Arthur
Sewall and others who will accompany
him to New York. At $50 o'clock the
presidential candidate spoke at High
land Park. Despite the early hour, q
crowd had gathered. On the conclu-
sion oil mis- remarks the party left for
Boston.
BosToS, Sept. 2S.-Arriving here at
S:3S a. NJ, the candidates and those &C
companying them boarded the express,
which left at o'clock for Providence.
PROVIDENCE, r. l., Sep. 2S.-A
crowd of $1,000 people greeted Mr..
Bryan in this city this morning and lis
tened to a short speech from him. Mr..
Bryan sned his coat before speaking.
a number OF people shook hands with
him at Mansfield, the only stop made
between Boston and Providence. Be-
fore Mr. Bryan began his speech here q
boy about ten years Of age was
raised above the heads in the crowd
about ten yards from the platform.
The boy was crying, and taking in the
situation Mr.. Bryan said: Just hand
him up here The boy was passed
along, and when he reached the plat
form the presidential candidate lifted
him over the rail while the crowd
cheered again and again. After plac.
ing the boy on he platform be
again faced the crowd and with smile
on his face remarked There's no
telling but that he may be boy orator
some day" Great applause followed.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1896-09-28
Building Burned.

WORCESTER, Mass, Sept. 2S.-A
building, owned by w. H. Burns, in
this place, from which foated an aner-
chist flag with William ]. Bryan $ pic
ture on it, and which was seen by the
candidate last Friday, was burned yes
terday, and incendiarism is charged.
There were many threats in the crowd
that some means would be taken to get
square with Burns. Burns received q
threatening anonymous letter Satur-
day morning, which read
Damn your soul, you'll pay for that.
You wait. FREE TRADE"
Mr.. Bryan declines to comment on
the burning of the Burns Underwear
Factory, but will probably do so later
in the dav.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1896-09-28

AS ALL dollars in this country will
buv q dollars worth of labor or COM
modities, whether there be free silver
coinage or not, the silver question is
really of no importance to the average
citizen. 1t is entirely different, how
ever, with mans personal liberty, and
in respect of that, the democratic plat
form speaks in no uncertain terms. 1t
declares explicitly for freedom of "con-
science" and for the preservation of"per-
sonal rights" SO restricted have those
rights become now, in many parts OF the
country, that man cannot have his
shoes BACKED, or his face shaved, or
buy glass of wine or beer on Sunday.
Silver dollars will be as good after az
before the coming election, no matter
how it may 80, but it wont be 80 with
personal liberty, if the party that sup
ports the blue laws Of New England
shall come into power.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1896-09-28

COULDN'T DIG THE WOMAN OUT
A force OF telegraph linemen were out
witted by determined woman at vii
Transport, Pa, on Saturday. The men
were out to change the location OF a
pole that stood on the premises OF Mrs.
Charles Gibson, when Mrs. Gibson en-
tered a protest. When the men had
dug the mole for the pole Mrs. Gibson
slid into the hole, and no amount OF
cosxing or threatening could get her
out.
A policeman was called, but the wo-
man was on her own property, and was
in nowise disturbing the peace, 80 the
officer could not modest her. The line
men attempted to frighten her out by
digging about her with heavy bars: but
Mrs. Gibson remained firm and the
men went away without accomplishing
the work OF moving the pole.
After the men had gone Mrs. Gibson
hurried into her garden and uprooted a
small plum tree. This she planted on
the spot where the new pole was to be
placed. A city ordinance provides
that no tree or shrub shall be despoiled
by corporations in the erection OF poles,
and thus it looks as though Mrs. Glib
son would win.