The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1896-03-27

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(Mr. Mansfield), contends that the clerk
and sheriff are state officers, and for
thai reason the fees collected by them
should go to the state treasury. If
this be true, why compel the county
TO pay their salaries and office ex-
penses, while the state receives the
benefit of their labors? Even if the
state should pay half the salaries of
such officers as was proposed a few
days ago, still the county must pay
all the deputies employed in the office
together with the Office expenses, sta
tlonery, etc, which would amount to
many times the mere salary of the Off
Ger himself. 1t would be a great injus-
tlce upon the larger counties to pay
all these expenses and then be com
PEELED to divide the fees that such Off
GERS collect with the other counties
that have no such expenses to pay.
ThlS appears to be a scheme on the
part OF the smaller counties to hold Up
the larger counties to obtain something
TO which they are not entitled The
proposition is entirely wrong, and 1
think will be viewed in that light by
its present advocates, upon careful
consideration l trust the amendment
will not prevail
ANOTHER SECEDER.
Mr.. Sorensen was the next Alfalfa
to- desert the ranks and was the only
Democrat to take the floor in favor of
the Metropolitan contention Mr.. Sor-
ensen said: II have the honor to be
classed with The Alfalfas, comprising
among its members the gentlemen
from Kane and Wayne, but 1 cannot
support the amendment I do not
agree with the gentleman from Weber
(Mr. Harris) when he says the weaker
counties have not the right to demand
that the expense of criminal prOSecu-
lions should be borne by the state [
contend we have this right but the
amendment goes too far, it is asking
too much, hence L am opposed to it.
Concerning the structures passed
upon the southern counties by the gen
tleman from Salt Lake (Mr. Critchlow)
L consider the remarks of the gentle
man wholly uncalled for and untrue
and l deDrecate their having been
made upon this floor"
MR.. BOLITHO REGRETS THE DIS
CORD.
Mr.. Bolitho secured the floor when
three gentlemen rose at once to claim
it.
Il don't believe" said he. that all
this irritation is necessary. but think
we would accomplish far better re-
suits by working in harmony Let us
drop this contention between. the Met
ropolitans and Alfalfas and all work
together in harmony for that which is
best for all the people
i desire to inform the METROPOLITAN
gentlemen that supposed this project
TO turn all the fees into the state treas
ury had been knocked out in commit
Tee and for that reason l was an AL
falfa man so far as the proposition to
make the state bear the expense of
criminal prosecutions, but am opposed.
to the amendment as L believe it nm
1aar wish to say right here. how
ever, that this trouble was brought on
by the Metropolitans themselves,
remember very distinctly that when
the idea of the state paying Che ex-
penss of criminal prosecutions first
came up in committee the gentlemen
from the large counties announced
their intention of defeating the propo-
sition. Had they yielded in this par
ticular the Alfalfa club would never
have been organized and that's the
truth"
MONSON'S LOGIC.
Mr.. Monson was next to secure the
floor. He replied very sharply to some
of the remarks of the gentlemen. He
said:
AT the opening of this discussion the
there should be check on officials lest
they might make an unnecessary drain
on the state treasury. In order to do
THAT they held that the counties should
pay portion at least of the criminal /
expenses, thereby posing as the guar
dams of the state treasury.
'They now hold that the state should |
pay the criminal expenses, but that /
all fees derived from the operations OF !
-4-p+ r,.tc CHI No.
the county treasury showing that their I
patriotism is not so much in the inter
est of the state at large as it is for /
Salt Lake county.
Now, Mr.. Speaker 1 submit in all
fairness that if the expense ii criminal
is paid by the state that
such fees as are derived from
the judicial operations of district
court machinery should be paid into
the treasury of the state. Fees derived
from probate business should be
covered into the county treasures.
In other words, if district courts can be
made self-supporting in the state by
covering into the state treasury all
fees paid by parties litigant, it would
have the effect of canceling all ex-
penses of the district court in the
state, but if Salt Lake county, with her
$40 900 or $4,000 in fines and fees de-
rived from the district court machinery
is allowed to cover the same into the
treasury and other large coun-
ties doing likewise, it will have the
effect of compelling us to raise the ad
tax of the state in order to
get revenue with which to pay district
court expenses.
TT is therefor eminently proper
hat if the court pays all criminal ex-
oenses, the fees should go into the
state treasury. Personally l would
lot object to covering as much money
n the shape of fees into the treasury
,ut don't think it is right"
PREVIOUS QUESTION MOVED.
Mr.. Ferguson moved the previous
question which carried and roll call
lpon the adoption of the amendment.
IS the roll call started Mr.. Beard
sked to be excused from voting, then
Ar. Bernhisel followed with the same
equest, several of the gentlemen in
listing on his motion Mr.. Monson
ried, Make them vote. If they're
ashamed of it let them face the
music"
1t looked as though Mr.. Beard, who
desired to be excused and to have the
ill go over under an explanation that
lie had received new light, was about
O be excused while cries for MI Bern
lisel to vote were heard.
Mr.. Nebeker of Rich rose with
wrath in his eye. Il am opposed he {
houted, etc requiring one man to vote {
While another is excused" Both gen. :
lemn were required to vote. /
When the call reached Mr.. Clark he 4
Wished to be excused till the end of the
ote was reached. Mr.. Monson insisted / 6