The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1896-09-09
"JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE"
COroner's Jury Renders This Verdict
in Case Of the Thalhimer Tragedy.
TESTIMONY OF WINNERS DAUGHTER.
She Reeitcs Her Alleged Wrongsto Jury
In "A Straightforward aud Impressive
Manner-Tert of the yerdiet-sym-
pathy for the Two Families.

tracie death at the hands OF j. 10.
WINNER, was published in yesterdays
Times, attracted quite large and In
terested crowd 20 tho CoronerS room al
the city Hall yesterday afternoon at
O'clock. Miss Ida May Winner, daugh-
ter OF the man who did the killing. ap-
peared at the appointed hour She vas
accompanied by her mother. The giif
appeared to DO about twenty years OF
age. and is a rather fral looking blonde.
She testified that In April last young
Thalhimer came 20 her house. and found
her alone
She declared that 10 was by force that
&c then and there accomplished her rum
aud that lie told her that II she discloS-
ed wat had happened no would Kill her.
lie had never again abused her. But Tor
this assault her life had been without
repuoach The details which Miss VIM
mer gave seemed TO impress the jury and
l.ystanders with her sincerity, out arc
properly omitted from this report
WAS PAltALN lED.
She further stated that young Thalhi-
rner had visited her house about once
a week since that time, but never found
her alone after that Her mother' "iD
learned Of her condition on Monday az
ternoon soon afterwards on the same
day told her father OF It. ana she did
not know What her father did after
that.
The eirl stated that she was twenty
wears OF age and was paraiyzed on her
rignt side She dld not have any
strength. and could not use her risnt
hand 10 comb her hair though she man.
aged 20 get about the house without
any trouble.
she was calm and deliberate IN her
statement and told r. straiehtorw'rd
story I'm answer 20 the questions asket
her. Her mother d,d not testify. she
was not called upon as witness
OTHER WITNESSES.
Charles A. Brooks. young white man.
residing at No. JlS north Seventh street,
WAS the second witness. lie testified TO
tne cutting. of which he was az eye
witness. and told how young Thaih4ner
had run down 10 Filth ana Mafaha'
streets. and there fallen in the street
lie heard no remarks gd between the
two men while the scuilie was soins on
AIR. Brooks testimony as to the cutths
was practically tho same ai was pun
ushed in The Times OF yesterday.
Fdinboro Archer, colOred youth, r"si"-
fr- ar No. lO6 north Eighth street, AMI
WHO was an eyewitness g. the eNtilhs'
told practically the same STORY as MI
nroots ana stated that be heard young
Thalhlmer cry. "Murdegl stop' " iiH,
the matter?n After the two men nroNe
AWAY from each omer witness ai" N"'
know where they went.
similar testimony WAS given hy James
Alexander. a colored youth resiHi ~
No. S0i Buchanan stroot VINO also "a"
the cutting.
Policeman Nattern, who maze tne ar
rest testified 10 how the man WINNIE
mad ciron himself mp, and was i"ken !"
the Second police station Lat'r III ''i'
evening WINNER had said 10 witness uial
he had killed Thalhimer b>@use h'lo
Young man had ruined his daughter
'V''''' fl,sTlFIABLE HOMICIDE.
,rt,.. crov,d was ordered 10 leave the
rom and after consultation the following
verdict was agreed upon By the coroners
jury: .ou.
.rho jury sworn to Inquire when. how
and bv what means Samuel GusuNu5
Thalhinor came TO his death, upon theH
oath 10 say that he came 10 his death
on tho 7th day OF September l>9" from
tha enaets of wounds inflicted on the
7th day of September, 1886, by knife
n the hands of James Edward Winner
who believed that tho said Samuel Gus
tavus Thalhlmer had ruined his daueh-
ter Ida. and they are OF the opinion that
the injury done 20 the father by the
said Samuel Gustavus Thalhmer was 50
enormous as to justify him In committing
the homicide
JANIS T.. TAYLOR.
"R. W. HAW SIR.
LEWIS H. SCHuTrE.
GEORGE W. PITTS.
&c. r.. MEADE.
"R A. WOODWARD"
Coroner Taylor conducted The post-mor-
tenn examination Of Thalhmers body
yesterday. Fourteen cuts were found. al
entering IN front. Three entered the
lungs and one opened the abdomen.
IN THE POLICE COURT.
There was very large crowd at tha
Police Court yesterday morning.
Long before court opened tho room VAS
crowded and a great thr0pg congregated
or the sidewalks around the
CITY Hall. WINNER sat in his
cell staring az the hench bef,re
him. lie would not talk. rofsg~ing
tFtiF QUESTION TO ll~ lawyers. " men
his case was called every eye in tbe cou-i-
room watched a medium-sized man walk
with steady step by the side OF O'fcer
Griffin up 20 the dock.
WINNER spoke 10 his counsel. Mr.
Minitree Folkes. once and the case went
over until to-day because tho Coroner's
inquest had not been held.
Immediately Policeman Griffin accom-
panied " INNER 10 jail lie was tut
with the other prisoners. He how
ed all through yesterdays ordeal that he
was "a man Of iron nerve.
In the courtroom were many friends
OF Thalhlmer, There We're others on
tho sidewalk outside the building Those
who could not gain admitiance gathere3
IN groups and discussed the tragedy The
young man was very popular and HE
doufh occasidned great sorrow amons
his friends.
BLOW TO MR.. THALHIMER.
Tho shock was a terrible one 10 tie
family Of young Thalhimer and particu-
larly TO the father The young man took
an active part In the management of his
fathers AFFAIRS and had showed consid-
cradle business ability. although only nine
teen years old. Relatives and friends
gathered az the house and gave all the
consolation az their command
Neighhors OF the WINNERS say that
the two girls are won behaved Ind
they We're greatly surprised 10 hesr OF
lda's condition.
The Winners became tenants OF Mr..
Griffin last September. Tie speaks highly