The Saint Paul globe. (St. Paul, Minn.) 1896-1905, 1896-10-13
FATE OF That LOOP
FRIENDS AND FOES OF EXTENSION
PRESENT THEIR ARGU-
alENTs.
PROTESTS NET BY PETITIONS.
ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE, UNABLE no
DECIDE,a POsTPONES
ACTION


| Isl Ii
Test Vote shows Majority OF the
Committee Fayors the
Change.
| For more than three hours yester-
day afternoon the assembly committee
on streets listened to pleas and argu-
ments for and against the extension
OF the street railway loop to Broad
| way. The wholesalers below Robert
street urged the committee to recon-
mend the ordinance for passage while
the retailers on Robert and Sixth
streets, personally and by attorneys.
advanced reasons why the>loop should
not De disturbed, and demonstrated
that 1t could not be removed without
seriously injuring and in fact, DESTROY
ing the retail center now forming in
the vicinity of Robert and Sixth
| streets.
! VINE the committee took no final
/ actlon, It's sentiment appeared at the
| conclusion of the meeting, when a.
Vole was taken on the question of rec
| ommending the ordinance extending
me loop. -Four members of the com
| lnltlee-Messrs Thompson, DAILY. Rear
| ooh ana krahmer-voted in the affirm
| atlVe' while Chairman Lewis and Mr.
craig voted mo- But the vote was
! at once feconsidered, and the entire
| matter postponed until Thursday at
$3.50 .. m
mere was large delegation Of in
teresled property owners present and
| several attorneys representing the two
ihlerests. The Robert street retailers
| were nearly all present Among them
were Robert Mannheimer. Charles
boWlpy, J. FL. Horton, Adam Fetsch
| anu several others. Their side of tha
question was presented by William TT
L-snlher, Senator H T. Stevens and
| "hllan +. Murray. The wholesale in
/ .eiests were actively represented NV
"A. II. Lindeke, o.. E. Holman. wiIliam
lawson Sr; Peter Berkey, Ed Schur-
meier ana Others ATTORNEY Mum of
the street railway company. was also
present out took no part In the nro.
oeeoihgs, except to point out the nro-
VISIONS OF the ordinance establishing
the Robert street loop.
n. r. Stevens suggested at tbe ONT
set mat those in favor Of the ordinance
NC Heard hrst, in order that the raa
sons TOT the change might be advanced
pelore those opposed to the exteneio,,
ol the loop should be required tn nra
seh' the1r arguments against anv
change. chairman Lewis said that he
o. ~ not believe in wasting any time
oisputlng over the question as to who
should be heard first.
Ihereupon, before either sjda m.r
iedru Louis Nash arose and offarad
| in 1is,s ea.ion. Mr. Nash thought that
~ leu OF passing an ordinances diract
ing the street railway company tn ~
lenu aus loop to Broadway. the sco,,,,ci,
| ouSihl TO require the COMPANY ~ 49,,
struct an independent belt line ~ a.
Union depot. extending from Wal s stlo
ata Gown Fifth to SibIey sfraat
/ the,.oo wv" ", 0lpley to the union depot
tnehce up Slbley to Fifth street tbng,no
doWn Fifth to Broadway. M Rron5
way 10 Eighth street and thence u1as+
"aru on Eighth to Wabasba s+rao+
"A. ID. Llndeke considered Mr. NasI,,s
sossestfon out of order Then he mo
sehteu a petition on behalf of the ioL
1850 anu manufacturers, favoring tba
IindeIro oI the loop to Broadway. Mr.
.-ihueke declared that 12OA0 aronia.-a.
~ the wholesale district had sio,,e -,
the petition. Continuing Mr. Tia5aS-
saiu mat the agitation for a nba,.rna
| q the loop was begun to ohtain Iat
LEI faculties for reaching the dann+s,
IN, me Joppers felt that the ROBBERY strao+
l oa,ly was mistake, which ought to he
orio.; aoGu as soon as possible. The
| oIlsiiiaI idea was to run IN Savortt,
| street from Broadway, but Mr. row.
HnaIly decided to change If e. E;1r,,.l.
street as 1t would esimpracticsh Te -.
operate all the cars on Seventh s+raa ~
80 want you gentlemen to undar-
STAND continued MI. Lindeke ..tha+
4, -. +t haui IS not"a Jobbing center If
been located on Sibley street p +,, mao
would nave BEEN nos occasion fo,. -. = =
tLIs trouble and 1ituFmoiI. R,,t ,o ~,
tnose interests bellows SibIey stree+ as1,
tnal the loop be3yextended to Rab-.t
street and their request ought to 10
complied with u oe
MT Alndeke wanted to know what
ciarlng that thetf Robert straat NJ , We
was located permanently and ;r,.avn.
.aoiy. III the city, made such a prom-
Use the authorities had no right 70 ~,
So Mr. Lindeke,v cited the action -
! MAYOR smith in Vetoing the resolIt;o,,
anu that or the old council in naSsi,,.
u over the veto. Mr.. Lindeke said tha9
a+ ~ 80 iiers were responsible for the
| attempt to obsrrcct the oaSsa1a M as
the ordinance Why didn't theaa w.
ioeate their establishments on Sapanth
stfeet where there was a pI1cIeus 81
ready formed. They had rip1t -
iccate on Sixth street but no right ~
come IN now and ask the other h1,si
ness interests to wait until they arao+
ca tnelr promised magnificent retaiI
| palaces Mr.. Lindelze argued that ~
the loop was extended to Broadwav
tadt eventually the retailers would ara
LHdl Ihey would really be in tha eer
ter OF the loop. and not west of #
.. T.. Holman followed Mr. T.in5a1z.
appearing in behalf of the jebbers ma
manufacturers who want the new Joor
MT Holman thought that the petitions
IN favor of the extension of tbe 1ooa
signed by 1000 employees, ought to hay
great r.HgIf sTlght with the confnitfeeJo4on
| slreetS.+ ME- Holman contendad that
the extension would benefit the whole
clly. It would bring the PRINCIPAL
street car lines nearer to the 11niay,
depot. Regarding the alleged iIIee.a ,st,1
OF the ordinance, Mr. Holman said thai
he differed with those who declared tta
ordinance to be illegal AS civ ar
torney Of st. Paul I'm 1889. he bad
drawn UP the Original ordinance No
1927. 1t was Mr. HoInlan.s opinion that
1t was wholly within The power or dis.
erection Of the council to extend anv
| line OF street railway within the citv
of st. Paul Mr. Hofrnan said that tha
council was very careful to reserve the
right to demand the extension of anv
line. - sf
Mr.. Lewis announced at thfs staoa
| that the petition flpresented by Mr
Lindeke contained 1921 names.
Mr. MUM, the attorney OF the street
railway companyad informed the com
mfttee that underffhe original orflin