The San Francisco call., 1896-02-26

Ictci - lOrke QenOunce tneIn Ms iolSeiieei
has ne seen my Library that he can trutnfully
say that what give is second-handY
'Germany was still suffering from tne !hlr.v
Years Whr, ana the Jesnits, VINO were Jus au.
Ihors, were as powerful as ever al the courts OF
Paris and Vienna
That, too, is taken from Dollinger. is that
not inte erfefing with temporal aftairsY And l
say that when the Catholic church-so long as
it slppresses the privilege OF any man to go
where he pleases and DO what he pleases-so
long it is doing this 1t is taking part IN tenn
poral affairs.
Is not war temporal affair? Yet we are told
by Dollinger, ,who was at Rome when Plus TX
was declared infallible and absolutely lncap-
able of making a mistake when speaking of
religious affairs that the Thirty Years War was
caused by the Jesuits
1t is not enough to say this IS forgery.
That is no answer. Let him come forward as a
man and ask me TO produce that book, and l
VIII do ii. tCheers and applauSe.I II II IS not
identical with what read then l Will admit
am forger. Or let him come to my house If
he does not want to have me present my
authority in public, or let him suggest place
downtown, and ! will let him read 1t and
compare the books text with my citation, and
If there is the slightest difference, even to a
comma. will apologize to him, and tell you
1t Will go hard for me TO apologize TO Peter @.
but ii tpk was Chiefly by the oppression and
banishment OF the Protestant ministers, the
forced emigration of those who adhered to
their faith, the destruction of Protestant
Bibles catechisms and hymn books, and gen.
coercion which the Jesuits had reduced TO a
system that the so-calied counter Reformation
was broug ht about"
Now, that is temporal affair. / say that
when man cannot read books that are clean,
candidly believe that the church is entering
into temporal affairs Nobody denies, no in
teliigent man denies, this position OF the
church.
friend OF mine called on q friend of his
and he was blackguarded for attempting to
stand by me. His friend is Catholic and be
jumped on me because, he said, was trying
10 make out the state is above the church.
Don't his Grace" said this man, tell us ali
the time that the church is above the state.
Don't he tell us that all the time? And there
is that man Ross trying to make out that the
state is above the church"
Remember, am not saying that it it IS
wrong for the church to be above the state, II
is not my place to say that. l am simply here
10 show that the Crtholic church does take
that attitude. In ali my wide reading on this
subject during the past three months have
not come across a single Catholic publication
that does not assert this. Ii the Catholic
church is true the Catholic church is right in
this. Assuming that the Catholic church is
Gods representative here, then the Catholic
church is right in assuming 1t is greater than
any government.
But history denies that. The basis they are
working on is wrong. The Catholic church
does not represent God, and never Will until It
is,Rprifed.
morning after pouring out what Peter Z. \ orke
poured out last night in the Examiner publ
cation-house, and goes from that into the con-
fessional-box, tell you, my friends, the Cath
Ollie church does not represent God. | submit
simply this: that whether Yorke be priest
minister or blacksmith he should have come
and seen whether the extracts of mine were
right or not, ard then pronounce against
them. But for him TO simply look over my ex-
tracts and dash off letter, while the press of
the Examiner was held back, is evidence Of
only presumption on his part. If he be only
truthful, can enjoy an opponent and dis
cussion, but do not care TO be criticized by a
lie; that is a lie" tApplause,]
Dollinger in his lecture in Germany said:
'At the restoration OF 1860 prospect of
federation and OF regaining their property was
held out to the Irish Catholics on condition of
their taking an oath of alleg giance to the King
and repudiating all right OF the Pope 10 depose
him or absolYe his subjects from the duty of
civil obedience. similar declaration had
been required OF the English Catholics in 1647.
But Innocent y had at once strictly forbidden
them TO accept any declaration OF the kind,
and communicated those who had already
subscribed to it,.
Don't you think that the government has
the right TO demand an oath of allegiance and
fidelity and loyalty ii the government SO pass,
if there is law requiring it But when the
English Government in 1647 and 1860 de-
manded that of its subjects the Roman church
denied the right. Pope Leo said: Don't you
dare take that oath OF allegiance or you Will
go down below" and the ones that had taken
it he sent down below.
Again, Pope Plus TX is the author of this:
"All the Bishops in Rome (265) signed an
address TO Plus TX on June 8, 1862. 1t de-
clared the sense of the whole church TO be that
the temporal power was necessary to the
supreme PontiffS and an institution OF ProYi-
Dental origin.
Yet am called a liar and forger when 1
say that the church claims temporal power.
| have books which will require months to
read and have read them-sll Catholic-in
support of this declaration. The life OF Plus
X says th35:
"The VIII of the people does not institute a
supreme law independent of all divine and
human rights"
BY divine right is meant the Catholic church
all the time. Compare that with Lincolns
the people, for the people," or Grants that
"the will OF the people is the supreme law OF
the land"
Dr.. Dollinger, page 70, says:
"This Papal kingdom must be upheld and ex-
tended by all means of compulsion and vio-
lence and punishments of life and limb, some
times directly inflicted, sometimes by invok-
ing the secular arm, which is bound at once
to execute its sentence"
That is pretty plain language, is it not2 And
yet that is not interference with temporal
affairs-the absolute right of lie and death
When the church says that mans head must
come off, that mans head comes off.
Again, this from the utterances OF Pope Plus
TX regarding the Papal state:
GAS for agreeing with the despoilers, we will
never do it, L can only repeat that any trans
action on that basis is impossible. The
Sovereign PontiM before his eXaltation and the
Cardinals at the time of their nOmlnation bind
themselves by an oath not to yield up any part
OF the territory OF the church,
And yet when / read that out of Plus IX's
own speech l am told that l am lying and
forging when ] say that the Catholic church
demands that the church be set above the
state Why this man Peter C. Yorke should
ask me to bring these things forth, invite NE
to step in and look at the Catholic church as il
is, l cannot understand. He challenged me to
seek this tes timony and make 1T public. 1t was
an easy task, and he certainly must have
known it would be easy, and therefore why he
should have me do it is not so easy to answer
Bronson's Review is an accepted authority in
the Catholic church. This is recent express
sion:
Professionalism has no rights in presence OF
Catholicity." This sentence is, we believe
We do not deny it, and are prepared TO stand
by it.. ed. Bronson's Reyiew.)
That is pretty strong language to be placed
in cold type by the devotees of church that
does not tamper with temporal affairs, isn't il d?
Our church holds that marriage is TEN.
poral matter. But the Catholic church ,says
NNo.' On page 81, vol. !, of their ecclesias.
tical law we find this:
"All questions bearing on the sacramental
character of matrimony, e. g., the validity of
marriage or betrothals, fall under the church S
Jurisdiction"
They go further and directly declare that civil
titution. [Hisses.l Why, not very long ago
question arose in which the question was
raised as to the legal marriage of o certain
couple A woman belonging to the Catholic
church had said publicly that they were not
married. The matter got into Judge Camp-