The Saint Paul globe. (St. Paul, Minn.) 1896-1905, 1896-11-11
NOTHING BUT TALK.
Yesterdays Union Depot Loop Com
ference Was FruftIess.

NOTHING BUT TALK.
Yesterdays Union Depot Loop Com
ference Was FruitIess.
The second conference between the
joint council committee, the representa-
| tives of the Commercial club and
chamber of commerce, and the street
railway companies regarding the pro-
posed union depot belt line, took place
yesterday afternoon at the Office of Gen.
j.. w. Bishop. sThere were present AS
semblymen Kirke and Thompson and
Aldermen Shepard and Kenny, Vice
President Goodrich and General Super
intendent Held of the street railway
company, and Gen. Bishop, Herman
Scheffer, Charles H. Waterous, Charles
Schuneman, r. A. Kirk and Luther
Gushing.
The proposition of the street railway
company submitted at the first confer
ence, offering to operate the Grand
avenue cars from Robert and Fifth
streets, southerly on Robert to Third
street, down Third to Sibley, up Sibley
to Fifth, on Fifth to Robert, thence to
Seventh, and up Seventh to Wabasha,
was discussed. Other propositions were
also suggested by different ones, but
nothing final was decided upon
Vive President Goodrich's proposition
relative to operating the Grand avenue
cars around the proposed loop and issu-
ing transfers to all other lines was
met with the objection that the Grand
avenue cars did not run often enough
to afford adequate service Mr. Good
rich said that the company would run
enough cars to amply accommodate the
public.
Mr.. Schuneman suggested that a.
better route for the proposed loo.>
would be from Sibley and
Fifth streets westerly on Fifth street
clear back to Wabasha street and
thence on Wabasha street to Seventh
and out Seventh. This would accommo-
cate the retailers and the hotels on
Wabasha street from Fourth to Sew
enth streets.
Another route suggested was as fol-
lows Beginning at Wabasha and
Seventh streets and following the same
streets as in the other cases, that is,
Nabasha, Fifth, Robert and Third, as
lar as Slbley street, to Seventh street,
end thence westerly on Seventh street
TO Wabasha and thence out Seventh
This proposition met with the most
favor, as it outlined a route crossing
eli the street railway lines and en-
Eraced all the retail district
Z. H. WaterOus then submitted
proposition which contemplated the
same route as the foregoing, but diff
fered radically from the offer made by
the street railway company, in that
MI. Waterous suggested that only in
dependent cars be operated over the
loop and be run in opposite directions
or instance, people arriving at the
union depot would take one Of these
GERS at Sibley and Third streets The
car would carry them up Sibley to
seventh street. and thence up Seventh
street to Wabasha thence on Wabasha
10 fifth. If they boarded the car going
in the opposite direction, the route
would be from Sibley and Third up
Inlrd street to Robert, along Robert
to Fifth, up Fifth to Wabasha and on
ltabasha to Seventh. If their destina-
ton was Seventh and Wabasha streets
4 car going in either direction would
pc equally convenient in point of time
II the destination Of the passenger
should happen to be the corner OF
nth and Wabasha or any. intermedi ..
ate point, then the car running up
Third street would answer The prop
osltlon provided of course for the issu-
Ing OF transfers from the independent
cars to all lines.
Mr.. Goodrich saw difficulties in the
way of Mr.. Waterous' suggestion. He
said it would involve the construction
or additional switch tracks at Seventh
and Wabasha which would cost in the
ne1ghborhood of $1,000.
While the discussion as to the adj
various propositions was in progress
ASsemblyman Thompson, who had
been engaged at the city hall, arrived.
MI Thompson diverted the discussion
into another channel Solicitous for
the Broadway loop, he wanted to know
what it's fate would be, if a union depot
belt line or loop were constructed.
Wouldn't it kill the Broadway loop
ordinance? Mr. Thompson addressed
this question to Vice President Good
rich. Mr.. Goodrich said that the union
depot question had nothing to do with
the Broadway loop.
But, in case this Union depot
scheme goes through, you don't ex-
pect to extend the loop to Broadway,
do your persisted Mr.. Thompson.
Il fail to see that this has anything
TO do with the other question" replied
Mr.. Goodrich
Then Aid. Kenny who also wants the
Broadway loop before and above any
thing else, tried to induce Mr. Good
rich to commit himself, but Mr. Good
rich returned the same answer.
Aid. Shepard and Assemblyman
Kirke assured Messrs. Thompson and
Kenny, that the agitation for a union
depot belt line was solely In behalf Of
the retail district, the hotels and the
people having occasion to go to and
from the union depot, and was in no
way connected with, nor conditioned
upon Broadway loop or no Broadway
loop. The Broadway loop was not un-
der consideration and cut no figure in
the present discussion.
Gen. Bishop said that that was also
his understanding of the matter
Mr.. Thompson declared that there
was different understanding on the
part of some Of the assemblymen, who
had announced that they would not
vote for the Broadway loop, if they
could get the union depot belt line.
Gen. Bishop replied that if that was
the case the assemblys~had better dis
pose of the Broadway loop first, and
then take up the belt line.
The discussion closed at this point
and an adjournment was taken until
p. M, Tuesday, when the conference
will be resumed in the council cham
Der.
Just before adjournment, for the sake
of obtaining an expression of opinion.
a vote was taken on the proposition to
operate loop extending from Seventh
and Wabasha, to Fifth, thence to
Robert street, thence to Third, thence
to Sibley, up Sibley to Seventh, and
thence on Seventh to Wabasha. Four
of all those present favored the pro-
position and three opposed it, Others
did not indicate their views.