The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1896-05-02

| For Americans; to He'll With Brit
ain and Her Tories"-Hirs Reply.
WASHINGTON, May 1.-The debate
in the senate today was of a dramatic
and sensational character, recalling
the famous Ingalls-Voorhees contests
of some years ago.
Senator Tillman of South Carolina
again brought his unique personality
! into the debate, his speech being the
first of any length since his memorable
maiden effort attacking public officials
high and low. While he spoke today
the silver pitchfork recently presented
/ to him in the west was conspicuously
| displayed on his scarf.
The senator used the blunt words
| characteristic of his utterances, ar
raigning the president and cabinet Of
! ficers with unsparing criticism and
personal invective. He also addressed
himself personally to Mr.. Hill and Mr.
Sherman, and drew from the former
sharp rejoinders, while
MR.. SHERMAN DECLINED
to be brought into a controversy with
| the South Carolina senator.
Mr.. Hill followed Mr.. Tillman, an
swering the latter, point by point. The
New York senator referred to the
coming Democratic national conven-
ton, declaring that there would be no
split, but that true Democracy would
recognize the rule of the majority and
keep the party intact, despite the
threats of the South Carolina sena tor
to leave the party.
Mr.. Hill spoke freely and frankly of
his differences with the officers of the
administratio ton, and in particular re-
ferred to the grievous mistake, as he
regarded it, Of Secretary Carlisle in not
supporting Senator Blackburn when
the latter was the nominee of "a
Democratic caucus. The senator dis
cussed internal party affairs, urging
harmony and the termination of ven
omous assaults by Democrats on a
Democratic president. He spoke for
two hours and was accorded the clos
est attention. The debate
ATTRACTED A GREAT CROWD
to the senate wing of the capitol, the
greatest since congress assent Ied, fill
ing the senate galleries and overflow
ing into the corridors, where long lines
VI pGOplc SlIuSS leu IOr ADMISSION.
Mr.. Tillman took the floor during the
discussion of the naval bill and said he
had found, during his brief experience
here, that there were some strange
things happening in the navy depart
menC and all other departments. ct
seems to be suffering from too much
red tape, too much bureaucracy said
he.
He spoke of the great number of the
bureaus and divisions in the navy de-
partment, which See-saWed and divided
the responsibility. The senator had con-
cluded that the main purpose was to
make as much money as possible out
of the government. He soon branched
off to the bond issue, and said he de-
MED the right of the president to issue
bonds for meeting current expenses.
There was no law allowing the presi-
dent ito hocuS pocuS and bambooZle
the people by doing by indirection what
he would not do by direction" A pres
ident overrides all decency overrides
the will of his party to accomplish in
directly what he dared not do directly.
A SCENE.
Mr. Hill entered the chamber and
took a seat in front of Mr.. Tillman. The
latter went on to refer to Mr.. Hills
ulist, lone of the tailors of Tooley
street"
Mr.. Hill rose to state that he had
never classed Mr.. Tillman as Populist.
MI Tillman insisted that Mr.. Hills
remarks as to "coterie" included him.
and exclaimed he would rather be in
such a coterie than with certain men
on this side who go around labeled
Democrats, but who were not Dem
ocrats, and he said:
"I'I prove it before I get through
The South Carolina senator said he
came from state that supported and
followed him, and at he could place
its vote where he desired.
And can you say as much?" he
asked of Mr.. Hill.
Mr.. Hill blandly inquired if Mr.. Till
man meant to say that he could carry
the great state of South Carolina into
Populism.
Mr.. Tillman replied that he meant to
say he
REPRESENTED HIS STATE
and could tell where it was going and
how it would vote, and turning to Mr..
Hill said savagely, and that is more
than you can do The people of South
Carolina have not been bamboozled and
debauched."
Then again, addressing Mr.. Hill, he
declared sarcastically You represent
the people; yes, you do? You repre-
sent the bondholders and the bankers"
After criticising bond issues, Mr.. Till
man exclaimed If you force this
thing much farther, there will be
reputation of the bond and interest
too
"And if you cannot have that" cool
ly suggested Mr.. Hill, 81 suppose you'll
have bloodshed?"
Eyes. and the blood will be on your
hands, responded Mr. Tillman.
I'VE ARE DESPERATE"
.I tell you, we are desperate" Mr..
Tiliman went on, 'I have been through
the west and know how the people
feel"
The senator drew a comparison be-
tween Andrew Jackson and Grover
Cleveland lone was the man of the
people, he said, "but Cleveland stands
as the tool of the classes" adding that
the president represented only money,
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