The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1896-11-01
HOWARD GOULD ARRIVES.
he DISOUgsEs III THO DULLES
WITH .EN8LISH HACHzsMEN.

AhS NthEhtS WIN Not BNoFt IN GnRIeno
Next Season but win Ne Raced In
France and GermsnI-Thinks the viei.
last Would Make = Good Schooner.
Among the passengers on the American
liner St- Louis which arrived yesterday morn
ing was Howard Gould, whore 70 sent oontro-
versy with the English Yacht Racing Asso-
citation has caused 20 much talk among yachts
men on both sides Of the Atlantic. Mr.. Gould.
who has shaved of his mustache. looked moro
youthful than ever az he walked down the
RanRplank. and while on the pier declined to
discuss his troubles about the Niagara's tanks.
Later in the day Mr.. Gould was seen ut his
ONCE in 1875 Broadway, whore he talked
freely.
In reply to . question referring to his diff
ference with the Council Of the English Yacht
Racing Association. he said:
1T Is very unpleasant business, and I
would prefer to Fay very little about II. /
stated my case at the time In my letter TO them
and am quite prepared to leave the matter
entirely to the Judgment of impartial sports
mon In both countries. Regarding the criti-
cism that I:still continued racing after they
had visited my yacht, I would say that I
waited until the matter had boon referred to
and approved by the Yacht Racing Associa-
ton. This. I expected. would be done immodi-
ately."
~ SoeA VetOt aeN tho pubAO ~ hhk
the season Of last year as this Year,"
Certainly they were"
We'll, IL they were wrong in 1896, they
were wrong in 1895. were they not2"
II pointed out that matter In my letter 70
the Council. Niagara Is shaped very much
like a canoe. her hull being very shallow. and
there Is really no other place to put the
tanks excepting under tho transoms. 1t was
necessary to place them there or else every
body on board had to 20 without water. It
was either one thing or the other"
DO you expect 10 race In English waters
again?"
mot while the present Council of the Eng
lish Ya'ht Racing Association is In power"
Are they elected to Officer"
II cannot say. It seems TO me. though. that
when a man is once on the Council he stays
there until he Dies
What plans have you formed for tho fu-
turef'
II had thought of building o boat to race
In the OLD i0-ratinR class to compete against
Caress and Isolde. Now this is out OF tho
question, Of course. and do not expect to
build. 1 left Niagara at Southampton. where
she will lay up for the winter. and I will prob
ably race her In France and Germany next
summer. Further than that I have not made
up my mind"
American yachtsmen would be immensely
pleased II you would build a boat and race in
Il am afraid there is nothinR, here that NJ
cided not to build a new boat"
Mr.. Gould was informed that four promi-
pent yaohtsmen had practically, agreed to
drnught, and that there would be considerable
racing for them.
He said that 1t would certainly. De q very
nice class. and continuing, he remarked:
=, i am very much ,h;u In fhHGr of these restrict,
great success of Yacht racing in England is
that q great deal of it has b.en class racing.
I sho = believe y in n, bu .ldh o Poass Of one
time allowance. with a one-gun st-rt."
DO you think Niagara has oeen outbpils
IN England to-day. The Saint won more races.
Niagara was built to race under the rules that
existed in 1898. Last winter the Yacht
ans n : Association: .Ss,om q, there Their .u SsanSsd v the I rules.
ed. The Saint and the Penitent were built
g race under the new rules. and were some.
four feet more on the waterline than the Mag
ara: and carry nearly 400 square feet more
feet. and yon can easily see that the 400 square
feet extra is something 81 an item. Under
have had to allow Niagara neatly three minutes
time over II thtrty-mii~ course, while under tho
over tho same distance. Tho races during
the past summer have proved that neither the
ance TO Niagara under the old rules. English
yachtsmen in many Instances are dissatis-
tsd ~t Of h shf Re them lnie eS. ana there Is a posi-
why do you not stay. here and turn the
vN,igilant into a schooners" After a moment
DO you think she would make u good
The reporter said he thought she would.
with a few alterations. and raid he thought
she might beat the Colonia. as she did when
both were in sloop RIG. Thereupon Mr.. Gould
II also believe that the vigilant would make
q grand schooner. and. connecting against the
Col0nia. would furnish sone good races"
DO you think. from your knowledge Of
English y~achtsmen.. that there Is any posi-
hility of q challenge for t.ie Americas Cup next
Year,"
:ir George Newnes Is said to be looking for a
in your opinion. have difficulty IN finding q
club wil nn, 70 serve his Pu ,Po l.r.r., =, ~.
eral feeling. however. is that in view Of tho
race eor The Cup. and my little differences With
the Yacht Racing Council. IL would not be we'll
it would be more satisfactory to walt until
things have quieted down somewhat"
y. ohss nuP fSroSgb lo sso os sSsrr sm9 ana E sosians
Excuse me. I would rather not discuss
Mr.. Gould brings back with him several tro-
phies ,ha. were won by the Niagara, among
which was presented for competition TO the
Castle Yacht Club. and became the winners
property by winning two races. Niagara won
the cur a year ago. and was defeated in the
race for II this year by Lord Dunraven's new
cutter Audrey; There was considerable rriti:
oism ut tho time becRupe DunFaven allowed
his yacht to compete for his own gift, and
about two weeks ago the Yacht Racing Asso-
citation disauaiihed Audrey and awarded tho
she so Ga. s,s to .hs atrFsE"l"r entry of Audrey
sign. standing two feet hiRA. On his arrival
at the ofice yesterday, morning Mr.. Gould
found a letter awaiting him from c. j. Har-
vey. the Secretary of the Royal.Cork Yacht
Club. informing, him, that he aud his brother.
George ]. Godld. had been elected hon
ornry members Of that historic organization.
he had presented them with a cup for 20-rnters
while he was their guest last summer, hut ow-
ing 10 me fact that there were no 20-raters to
compete against Niagara. he refused to walk
over tho course. and no race has as yet been
sailed for the prize.
nAHHnarIMn HIII