St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1895-07-18
HORR AND HARVEY DISCHARGE
THEIR SECOND INSTALL
MENTS ON MONEY,
"COIN'S" MODEST CLAIMS.
HE DECLARES HE HAS ALREADY
VANQUISHED HIS ABLE 0P-
PONENT.
DELvING INTO THE DARK AGES.
Outsiders Put Some Interesting
Questions to the Gold and Sill
yer Champions.

CHICAGO, July 1.-THE Harvey
Horr duel today developed into a
general engagement, representative
of Philadelphia, Kansas City, Cleve-
land and elsewhere pitching into the
scrimmage after the two principals
had hacked each other up to the
limit. The outsiders who ventured
into the fight included H. L. Bliss,
o. B. Gum and E. B. Starr.
The hostilities of the day began
by Mr.. Horr remarking, in a pointed
manner, that Mr.. Harvey read an
essay here yesterday upon the condi-
ton of the world during the fifteenth
century, especially up to the dis
sovery Of America in 1892 He read
that statement without its having
been called out at all by me, as I
had not attacked that part of his
book. But he made such. an elab-
crate effort to show the condition of
things in the world from 400 to 1880
that 1 have taken a little pains to
find out if [ could whether there is
any truth in the representations that
he makes, and I find that history
leaves him in as bad a condition in
this regard as it does in regard to
the bulk of the statements in Coins
Financial School " Continuing, Mr.
Horr quoted Prof. Thorold Rogers,
Hallam, LeOer, Malthus, Hynoman
and others, to show that the lot of
the millions in Europe was rising
before 1892, and that of the feudal
aristOcracy. with its tyranny, was
crumbling to a fall" Mr.. Horr said:
'Mr. Harvey and his free silver
friends identify prosperity and the
progress of man with the lot of the
feudal nobility Of Europe and not
with that of the toilers Rogers. as
we'll as Hallam, speaks of the grad
ual elevation of the people them
selves, as opposed to the small num-
ber of the rich and the noble. Later
l shall show that in his treatment
of the present, as of the past, Mr.
Harvey stands as the exponent Of
the rich, and not of the toilers. whose
welfare should be first considered by
the legislation of the state
MODEST MIR. HARVEY.
Mr.. Harvey replied: when vol
unteered to explain my preface to
the school yesterday without wait
ing for it to be attacked, because
gold standard papers all over the
United States had charged that it
was forgery-that no such quota
ton as was there used was ever
made from the report of any monet
ary commission or any other official
document read from the report of
the United States monetary commits
sion of 1876, not for the purpose of
entering into an argument on poIit-
1cal economy of the year 400 to
15OG, but simply to show that all
of my friends, from New York and
elsewhere, who had accused me of
forgery, were wrong. 1 am not GO
ing to argue with Mr.. Horr that the
monetary commission did not know
what they were talking about He
shall not get me, at any point in
this debate, to divert my mind from
the regular argument and logical
arrangement of the debate. That a
man could put together words that
would convince an unthinking work.
man that he was better off today
by Tar tran he was in 1872, and who
can convince a farmer that he is
getting higher prices now than he
was in 1872, l would expect him to
convince crowd who are not study
ing history that prices rose during
the dark ages at the very time that
they were falling, and that laboring
men We're faring we'll at the very
time when they were working as
the serfs of the lords of Europe. DR..
Adam Smith, an able historian.
whose work was put in Mr.. Horr's
hands yesterday, confirms all that
there is in that monetary commits
sion. Page III gives you the table
of the rise of prices, that contradicts
everything that Mr. Horr has said
here. Now l proceed. Thus far we
have considered two questions, gold
and silver,as the money of the con-
stitution and the unit value in our
monetary system, fixed by the franz
ersOf the constitution, and that that
existed as our monetary unit from
1892 to 1873. The debate is of value
thus far in eliminating the doubt
that has existed on these two points
in the minds of the people a doubt
that has been produced by misrepre-
sentations made by those advocat-
ing the gold standard. A reading of
the debate thus far settles these two
questions in favor of the book we are
discussing"
JUDGE VINCENT RIGHT.
Mr.. Horr-The matter we were talk
ing about when we closed last night was
the question whether the trainers of
the bill of 1892 intended to establish
two measures of value. Mr.. Harvey
criticised Judge Vincent for having de-
cided that case in his remarks yester-
day, but very tamely in comparison
with the statements which he made
about him in print soon after he made
the decision. He even called him
dishonest in that criticism. Now, Judge
Vincent is a reputable citizen, L take
it, of Chicago. Some private individ-
uals submitted question to him and
he decided 1t as he honestly believed
was right, and there is this popularity
about tit is right. Gaughter.) Here
Is what Judge Vincent decided: cit is
undoubtedly true that the milled dollar
as it was then current was the start
ing point, and the number of grains to
compose a gold dollar was ascertained
by dividing the number Of grains in
the silver dellar by fifteen. But this
does not alter the fact that the units
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