The morning call. [volume] (San Francisco [Calif.]) 1878-1895, 1895-02-07
ELUSIVE MR. PULLMAN.
Could Not Be Found by the
Deputy Sheriff.
HE EViDED THE SUBPOENA.
Not Being Anxious to Testify in
the 4. r. U. Case.
DEBS OPPOSED TO THE BIG STRIKE.
Some Rather Unexpected Testimony
Given by the Head Of the Rail.
way LabOrers' Organization.

CHICAGO, Feb. 5-"If Mr.. Pullman has
evaded the serving of the subpoena I shall
certainly punish him for contempt of
court, said Judge Grosscup this evening.
Tomorrow morning half dozen of
George M. Pullman's clerks will be brought
before the Judge and sworn as to their
knowledge of Mr.. Pullman's actions on
Monday. A subpoena was issued for his
presence as a witness in Judge Grosscups
court on behalf OF the defense in the con-
spiracy cases. The subpoena was given to
Deputy United States Marshal Jones on
Monday morning. At the Office of the
Pullman Company he was informed by one
OF the attendants that Mr.. Pullman was in
his private office. Another clerk was re-
quested to inform Mr.. Pullman that Jones
had subpoena for his appearance at the
Debs trial. The clerk returned to the
outer Office in few minutes and said that
Mr.. Pullman was not in the Office, but
would be in later. All Monday the clerks
kept the deputy running up and down the
elevator, and each time he returned he
was informed that Mr.. Pullman either had
gone out or had not yet returned.
This morning when he called at the
Office of the Pullman Company he was
told that Mr.. Pullman had gone out of
town, that he was either in New York or
Washington. The clerk did not know
when Mr.. Pullman had left Chicago, only
that he had gone away. To-day the coun-
sci for the defense called the attention OF
Judge Grosscup to the mysterious action
of Mr.. Pullman's clerks and intimated
that Mr.. Pullman had successfully en-
deavored to evade the process of the court.
The Judge directed that Deputy Jones call
into court tomorrow morning all of the
clerks and messengers with whom he had
come in contact at the Office of the Pullman
Company.
Mr.. Debs was on the stand all the after
noon and will be there again tomorrow.
He said he never counseled or advised in
any form the use of violence or interference
with the United States mail trains. He
was shown the famous "Save your money
and buy gun" telegram and said he had
not sent it or seen it until it had been sent
out by one of the directors. Other tele-
grams in which the Government charged
violence by indirection and interference
were shown him, and he denied having
sent them and denied the inference drawn
riots at the stockyards he had issued a
statement to the Associated Press disclaim-
ing responsibility for the turbulence there
and asserting that it was being committed
by others than the A. r. U.
Debs was led by his counsel, Mr.. barrow,
to review his life and his connection with
the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers
down to the incorporation of the A R. O.,
after the organization of the General Man
ayers Association. The union, the wit
ness said, originated to prevent one class
of railroad employees from being used to
defeat the demands of other classes. The
object of the General Managers Associa-
ton was to bring united front to bear
against the demands of the men of any
one road. There were $4,000 employees on
the payrolls of the railroads of the country.
The General Managers Association en-
braced about half of the roads of the coun-
try. The tendency of the past few years,
Debs declared, was the absorption of the
smaller roads by the larger railroad cor
porations. Wages had been steadily re-
duced for years, and to resist further re-
duction was one of the reasons for the
organization of the American Railway
Union. The union was organized with
fifty members and steadily grew in num-
bers until it had 10000 members at the
time of the strike last summer. All of
these members were along the lines of the
roads represented in the General Managers
Association.
The witness first heard of the trouble at
Pullman on his return to Chicago from the
Great Northern strike. about May 5, 1894.
About 80 per cent of the Pullman employees
were members of the union. Witness had
not gone to Pullman to make personal
examination of the situation, out delegated
ce-President Howard to that duty. He
first learned of the strike itself in the news
papers. on the morning of May II. He
had sent Howard to Pullman to endeavor
to avert the threatened strike, and the
strike was without his consent and con-
trary to his advice.