The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1895-07-18
Mr.. HORR EXPLAINS.
He Continues the Discussion of
the Money Unit.
Harvey Tells Him He is Off the
Track.
ADMITTED 1T ONCE.
ADMITTED 1T ONCE.
Says Horr Already Confessed
Silver Was the Unit.
Today Hr. Hgvey Attacks the
Honesty Of Congress.
Mr.. .Horr ThenDenies theCharges
Of Corruption.
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CHICAGO, July 18-Ihe Harvey Horr
debate was continued yesterday after
noon and Mr. Horr began the engage
ment. Before it was finished several
outsiders ventured into the fight. They
were II. L. Blissy Q. B. Gum and Z B.
Starr.
MIR. Horr began by remarking in a
pointed manner that Mr. Harvey "read
an essay here yesterday upon the condi-
'tiOn of the world during tho 10Th century
and especially up to the discovery of
America 1892 He read that statement
without its having been called out at all
by me, as l had not attacked that part of
his book. But he made such an elabOr-
ate effort TO show the condition of things
IN the world from 400 to 1880 that L
have taken little pains to find out if l
could whether there is any truth in the
repres entations that he makes. and | find
that h tory leaves him in as bad condi
tion in this regard ss it does in regard to
the bulk of the statements in Coins Fl
nancial School"
Continuing Mr.. Horr quoted Profes-
sors 'IhoroId Rogers, Hallam, Malthus,
Hyndman and others to show that the
lot of the millions in Europe was rising
before 1892, and that of the feudal aris-
tocracy. with its tyranny, was crumbling
to fall.
Mr. Horr said: .EMr Harvey and his
free silver friends identify prosperity
and the progress of man with the lot of
feudal nobility in Europe, and not with
that of the toilers. Rogers as we'll as
Rallam, speaks of the gradual elevation
of the people themselves as opposed to
the small numbers of the rich and nc
bla.' Later l shall show that in his
IF bo f,f
Mr. Harvey stands as the exponent of the
rich and not of the toilers whose welfare
should first be considered by the legisla-
tion of the state
Mr.. Harvey replied: 81 volunteered to
explain the preface of the school yes
terday without waiting for it to be at
tackled, because gold standard papers all
over the United States had charged that
it was forgery: that no such quotation
as was there used was ever made from
the report of any monetary commission
or any other official document l read
from the report of the United States
monetary commission of 1875, not for the
purpose of entering into an argument on
political economy of the year 400 to
1900, bat simply to show that all of my
friends from New York and elsewhere
who had accused me of forgery were
wrong Now l am not going to argue
with Mr.. Horr that the monetary com
mission did not know what they were
talking about. He shall not get me at
any point of this debate to divert my
mind from the regular argument aud
logical arrangement of the debate. If a
man could put together words that
would convince an unthinking work
ingman that he was better off to-
day by far than he was in
1872, and who can convince a farmer
that he is getting higher prices now
than he was in 1872, l would expect him
to convince crowd who are not studying
history that prices rose during the dark
ages at the very time they were falling,
and that laboring men were faring we'll
at the very time when they were work
ing as the serfs of the lords of Europe
THUS far we have considered two
questions, gold and silver as the money
of the constitution and she unit of value
IN our monetary system fixed by the
trainers of the constitution, and that
which existed as our monetary unit
from 1892 to 1878. The debate is of value
thus far in eliminating the doubt that has
existed on those two points in the minds
OF the peoples doubt that has been pro-
duced by misrepresentation made by
those advocating the gold standard. Aread.
ing of the debate thus far settles these
questions in favor of the book we are
discussing"
Mr.. Horr: "The matter we were talk.
ing about when we closed last night was
the question whetEosOaae trainers of the
bill of 1892 iyval---J to establish two
measures of vt-stx for. Harvey criticised
Judge Vincent for having decided 'tha
case IN his remarks yesterday, but very
tamely IN comparison with the statement,
which he made about him in print soor
after the decision. He even called hin
dishonest in that criticism. Now Judge
Vincent is reputable. citizen, I take it
OF Chicago. Some. private individ ual,
submitted a question to him and he de-
cided it as he honestly believed wa,
right, aud there is this peculiaritv abou
tit is right. [Laughter.l Here is wha
Judge Vincent decided: 'It is undobtedly
true that the milled dollar, us it was ther
current, was the starting point and tn,
number of grains that composed goIc
dollar was ascertained by dividing til.
number of grains in the silver dollar bv ID
But this does not alter the fact that the
units were expressed in gold and silver
On the contrary, it seems TO show tha
both were made units of value. Tn,
word unit was employed as the eoniva
lent of dollar and the dollar was to con
sist of either one of two different things
one-tenth. part of 247M grains of gold o,
37lA grains of silver, just as eoua
values may be embodied in Give,
weights of any two commodities sucl
as wheat or corn. A unit of value is tn,
uRit in which the values are expressed