The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1895-07-17
HARVEY SCORES one.
Mr.. Horn Admits That Silver
Was the Standard.
Harvey Immediately Takes Adj
vantage Of the Point.
HORR Is NOT DONE.
Says He Will Have More to Say
About the Unit.
HORR Is NOT DONE.

speakers in the Harvey HOrr debate,
which began here Yesterday in the Hi
nois club. the debate proper began. Mr..
Horr spoke first and asked his opponent
to tell whether there had ever been such
a school held as "Coin's Financial
School"
Mr.. Horn said: Il find all through the
book large number of statements at
tributed to very considerable number
of business men of Chicago, and l am
informed that those men, never one of
them, uttered a single word attributed to
them. If the book is written as an allie
CORY would like to ask my friend why
he did not use, as all literary men have
always done, the names of fictitious in
dividuals, unless he intended to convey
the impression that those men were pres
ent and received the castigation which
he says he administered to them on the
spot. (Laughter). The book even goes
further. 1t describes the crestfalleH
manner in which some of the gentlemen
left the room after being worsted i'll this
fearful manner. Laughter). l feel now
that what we want to get at is that fact
about the book so that we will know how
we are proceeding"
Mr.. Harvey: The school is allegoric-
al 1t marshals the opinions of the two
sides of this controversy so that one in
lIQdQludJlOn can 600 Lu6 COnulCG VI ODlu-
ions and the contest as it proceeds. 1t
puts in the mouths of the gold standard
advocates their we'll known views, fairly
stated, with which the country had been
flooded up to the time the school was
written. The strength of the book was
intended to be in the fairness of stating
these views. The fact that a little boy
in knee pants was the instructor Of the
men was supposed to be sufficient to fix
the story as allegOrical One reading
Esop's Fables does not care whether the
animals talked or not. Neither does he
attach any Importance as to whether the
little boy talked or not It is the subject
and the truths that give it in each in
stance its place. 1t is charged that &C
tual characters are used in the book,
while similar books use fictitious char
acters, the answer is that the we'll known
utterances and opinions of these men are
used, and a further answer is that
Shakespeare used actual characters"
Mr.. Horr: 81 submit that if my friend
had studied the Scriptures little more
closely when he was looking for the
motto which l will take up next, he
would have found it somewhere stated
that man is not permitted to bear false
witness against his neigh Dor. He says
he put into their mouths the words that
they themselves would have uttered. l
have had that done for me so many times
in my life that l know what it means.
But now l come to the motto of the book,
which is this: i thank thee, o Father,
Lord of Heaven and Earth, because Thou
hast hid these things from the wise and
prudent and hastrevealed them to babes
Does my friend desire to initiate that the
kind of finances which he teaches is
something that the babes will under
stand, but that people who know any
thing will never be able to comprehend?"
| Laughter.)
Mr. Harvey: "Mr. Horn misinterprets
the meaning of that verse. The word
babes is intended to mean the pure of
mind AMI unselfsh. It is in that sense
that it is used in the Bible and means
! that those pure of mind and unselfish can
see clearly those things which the i'm
pure of mind and selfish can not see or
understand. (Here came the first APP
| plause of the debate.)
| "The cause l represent" Mr. Harvey
! continued, sis pure and unsel1ish-"
Mr. Horr: ''Gentlemen, l merely called
attention to the use of the passage of
scripture which he has fully explained
by saying that the passage does not mean
| what it says. that the word which is trans
lated babes really means honest, disin-
terested persons. l desire to say that the
ton he makes of it. That motto was in
tended to illustrate the fact that boy, a
child even. like this young fellow who
taught finances in his hook, could dis
tinguish the difference between right
and wrong and would be among the first
to learn to live d pure life. But 1 submit
to him that that motto does not give ar
| excuse for a boy because he is in knee
| brseches to stop telling the truth. Il
does not give the boy any right to misrep-
resent facts"
also at length the definition of money
Coming to the money system Of
the United States, Mr.. Horn said
The first law that was ever passed il
| the United States upon the subject oil
money was on the 9th of July, 1855, tina
was two years after tho subject haC
been discussed in every shape and form
by the people and the press of the coun
try. The people then used the exac
words and on the question that the
money unit of the United States bt
one dollar, the yeas and nays being re
quired by Dir. Howell, every member
answering aye, it was resolved that the
money unit of the United States be one
dollar Resolved, that the smallest coir
be of copper, OF which 200 shall pass fol
one dollar. Resolved, that the severa
pieces shall increase in a decimal ratio
THAT was the first action taken BY
the American congress. They fxeC
the unit, that is the name of the thing
that should be used as the measure o
value, deciding that it should be called
one dollar and the smallest division
of that should be half cent piece, tina
it should be copper and that it SHOULD
take 200 of them to make the unit. Tha
was the first effort OF the new govern
ment to establish a monetary system
Now every one will say that they haC
not yet stated at all what the dolla
should consist of except that 200 cope
half cents should be one of them, ant
that was the first unit of measure tina
congress established, 200 half cent cop
pers. That is all the law there has eve
been on the subject, and that is all tia
has ever been said about it anywhere
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