Birmingham age-herald., 1895-07-21
THE BIG DEBATE.
STILL HARplNG ON TIE "cRlNE OF ls7a.'
The Story of Seyd and His Bag of Doodle Is Fully DisprcVed by
 Mf Herr.


 T wish to say" began MT. Harvey, that have not in the progress of this debate yet made any charge against the integrity of the American people, but do not intend that those who are corrupt in high places shall escape criticism by throwing around them as cloak the in- tegrity of the American people.
 The discussion of the act of 1873, in which silver was demonetized, was then taken up, MT. Potter's part in the trans action being the subject.
 The author of "Coin" quoted freely from the Congressional Record to show that MT. Hooper of Massachusetts moved to dispense with the reading of the sub stitute demonetizing silver.
 Here was an attempt said MT. liar vey, "to legislate on the life blood of the nation without reading the book.' MT. Horr said before he began his opening sta tement for the day he wanted to protest against something MT. Harvey said about him day before yesterday. Mir. Harvey then stated that whenever MT Horr did not reply to his arguments he would take it for granted he could not reply.
 T will lay down this rule for MT. Har- Vey's guidance" said the gold advocate: T don't admit anything he says is true unless l come right out and say So. l want to say another thing. The other day 1 quoted something from Coins Fiji nancial School and MT. Harvey refused to back Coin up in his assertions. Now, ] submit to you what are We going to do in case like this? If MT. Harvey went back upon the assertions of Coin who will not say this is an instance where the boy is the father of the man? If it had not been for young Coin We would have had no MT. Harvey"
 MT. Horr then devoted himself to de- fense of MT. Hooper in regard to 1873. lar and he continued reading from the Congressional Record on the passage of the substitute advocated by MT. Hooper. In reply to question MT. Hooper had said the bill made no changes in the ex- iSting coinage laws Shortly afterward, within the hour, the bill was passed without being read. MT. Harvey now went into the senate history Of the Dill Senator Sherman, he alleged, and made frequent citations from the Record Tn proof of his assertions, made repeated at tempts to accelerate action on the bill when the matter was first brought up in the senate, and to convince the other sen ators that the bill was of no imporance whatever, and they need not give over an hour altogether to it's consideration, And in these things, continued the speaker, "he succeeded.
 Editor Horr denied that undue haste had been made in the passage of the blli in either the senate or the house, and defied MT. Harvey to produce any proof that there was anything hidden about the bill.
 Resuming the discussion of the law of 1873 the New York champion quoted from w A. Shaw's history of the city in reference to the first international money conference held, in Paris in 1867. to shcw that the subject was being agi- tated by the civilized nations of the world. All the nations, except Holland, declared in favor of the gold standard after eight daily sessions It was after this action, in which the United States participated, that the American experts commenced to examine the question and see what legislation should be enacted. The bill of 1873 simply carried out a res olution of all those civilized nations for the world. The silver men from the start had attempted to smirch that bill by claiming that the officials and members of congress were false to their duties
 There was not a word of truth in the yarn told by the silver people and pub lished in a London paper and in papers all over the United States that a man named Ernest Seyd visited the United States and brought with him s500 GOO in gold, and that he paid that gold to se- cure the passage of that bill. The ale gation has been s1isproved by the letter which was recently found among the papers of the late Congressman Hooper written by Seyd in reply to MT. Hooper, who had sent him the identical bill and asked his opinion upon it. The letter showed that he opposed these measures which his traducers said he spent so much money to have passed
 MT Harvey-The report of the none tary conference at Paris in 1867 will con tradict the history that MT. Horr has read from. As to Ernest Seyd and let ter found among MT. Hooper's effects since he and Seyd died, 1t reminds me of this: Suppose in the years to come one would say that John G. Carlisle is a bi- metalllst and in proof of it read from MT. Carlisle's speech, "The demonstration of silver is the greatest crime of the ages and It's consequences for evil are greater than all the floods, wars and pestilence of the past" would that prove that MT. Carlisle was a bmetallist as a particu- lar time when something might be charged against him when he acted as secretary tof the treasury under MT Cleveland? If that Seyd letter. disen- tombed by the St. Louis friends and fam fly of MT. Hooper was to prove anything it would prove that MT. Hooper falsified when he said that he had submitted that bill to distinguish experts and they had all agreed 1t was the proper thing to do.
 In reviewing the history of the bill in the senate, where 1t was called up by Sherman, he said: Tt is evident it was the intention of Senator Sherman to convince the senate that no careful consideration or the Dill was necessary. and in this he succeeded, as appears from something a senator said during a dis cussion about abrasion. It Is this: I will not contest 1t with him (Sherman) because it is evident very few senators are paying attention to this subject
 MT. Horr-A provision has been intro duced in the house and was a part of a bill for coining dollar precisely like the franc piece in use In France-no doubt about it. The senate struck that proyis- ion out of it and submitted the trade dol lar for that 3S4 grain dollar
 MT. Harvey-If you will show me from the record of the proceedings in the sen- ate on that day that the senate struck out that dollar we will stop this debate right here.
 MT. Horr-T have not the record. The law when 1t was passed had the trade dollar in it. Do you deny that?
 MT. Harvey-I do not
 MT. Horr-And did not that take the place of the other dollar?
 MT. Harvey-No, sir. Oaughter)
 MT. Horr-I defy you to show any where work that substantiates that po- sition. It was simple act of legislation, and bears that impression on its face. The only men who opposed that bill in