The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1895-04-10
CONVENTIONS
DULL DAY.
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is based on a wrong idea. Men seer
to think counties in their relation t
the state are like the original state
in relation in the federal union. Whel
that was framed the states need no
have entered the Union unless the.
obtained what concessions they de
sired. No county in Utah has an
such power Therefore there can be n,
analogy between the state and fedora
system in this respect.
James said the system had beer
tried in Montana and there was in
tense dissatisfaction there over it
New counties can be created at any
time and one section becoming jealou!
or another may have counties made
Hart favored the substitute HI
desired to give everything possible t.
the smaller counties so long as there
was no injustice to the larger counties
Counties Galore.
Goodwin said that this system of
county representation would place
too much power in the hands of the
| legislature which can carve out coun-
/ ties without number and so make
worse the Jealousy between various
regions. a man from Missouri says
he is from Posey county or someone
from Kentucky will place his county
! to the front. This has been fostered
by county representation. States and
counties are two different things.
Anderson, of Beaver, said county re-
presentation was just.
Varian showed that Crane had not
been correct in his statements about
several of the state constitutions. He
showed New York, Wyoming, Mon
tana and Washington, where the pro-
vision is not the one proposed by the
committee. He believed a great many
more such instances could be found
He asked where the right of represent
tation came in when the members on
the floor were ito be shut off because
the committee had considered the
question How many were in the
committee? He held out warning
against putting this provision change
lessly in the organic laws. Popula-
ton is always shifting in the west
and whole counties may go down. If
counties are to be given representa-
ton. why not cities? They bear prac-
tically the same relation to the state
as do the counties. Sovereign states
do not derive their being from the
federal union. States admitted must
be SO with the consent of the people
of the United States. But once in,
it becomes a separate autonomy and
the federal power does not extend far
Their than the. constitution will allow.
Counties are not separate autonomies.
They can be changed, created or
wiped out by the legislature. There
is no analogy. The apportionment as
reported would not be touched. 1t
was only the principle of binding fu-
ture legislatures that he objected to-
The power of fixing representation
should not be withheld from the peo-
pie. Let the people Of the future set
tie their own representation.
Would Expense Retard:
Cannon asked if the expense attached
to creating new counties would not
prevent such creation.
Varian said in making the organic
law it was a mistake to embark on
the sea of speculation. The power
should be left in the people to suit
their conditions in the future.
Cannon supported Varian's amend
ment.
Arkansas which have county repre-
sentation.
Roberts said Arkansas did not pro-
vide for representatives IN each new
county.
Buys said it was narrow view to
say a county with only few people
should not have a representative.
Bowdle- Est that apply to
precincts? :.
Buys said precincts were parts OF
counties and therefore were not on the
same basis.
PetersIThen why not apply the ar
gument to incorporated cities? They
are separate from counties.
Buys said this would be right If pos
sible. But cities could be represented
by county members.
Wanted it Fixed.
Thurman said he represented the
second largest county in the territory.
But he wanted each county to have its
right to a representative fixed in the
He said, under the stimu-
lus of statehood, Salt Lake might grow
so large that it would control the state.
1t might have 200 population while
the outside counties may not have in
creased to a great extent. He would
not give this power to any city. 1t
might grow to forget there was any
thing else in the state. Salt Lake now
has over a quarter of the population
and will have nearly a quarter of the |
1t can well afford to give |
one or two members to the outlying
No Capital For Provo.
be the capital. The legislatures will /
meet there. 1t is the natural centre of /
The new state. Everything in the state |
S bound up in the city. The members
from the outlying counties will be in |
he midst of the people of Salt Lake, /
who can bring influence to bear. The |
,ity will be the best represented dis
,rict in the state. He had been in five /
legislatures and could see what would /
come in the future. The apportion-
nent was right in every particular. |
Even from party view he could not
object.
Eldredge cited from state constitu-
ions of Idaho, Wyoming and Montana
n support of county representation.
he further argued the question and
when he finished Kicks called for the
previous question.
The Vote.
The roll call showed the following.
Ayes-Bowdle, Button, Coray Eichnor
Emery, Gibbs, Goodwin, Hart. Hill
lanes, Kimball, of Salt Lake, Lambert
lewis, Macintosh, Maloney, Murdoch of
Beaver. Peters. Preston, Roberts. RYAN.
Sharp, Shurtliff, Squires, Storer. Symons
\ an Horn. Varian. Wells Whitnax-