The sun., 1895-05-10
LOU PAYN ON THE STAND.
HE TELLS WHAT HE DID FOR THE
FIREMEN's SALARY BILL.

pen,e. that Money Was Psid Him or that
He Made Any Use OF Money-ouigg So
mcited HE Ala in Behalf OF tho Real
Estate Exchange Bill, but He Told ouigs
that He Looked the Bin Highway
Robbery-Snys He Never Liked Quigg
and Didn't Believe in Min-Ee Admits
that Me Get $4,000 from tho Erie
Railroad, and Says thnt He Kept It All
lilo Refuses to Divulge tho Names OF
HIS Employers tho Amount OF His
Pay. but Thinks He Gets Six or Eight
Annual Salaries, "work or Play"
ALBANY. May 9.-The Senate Bribery 1nves-
tration Committee, which is inquiring into the
passage Of the New York City Firemen's Salary
bill. did not assemble until long after the time
set for meeting tonight. Promptly at 7:3O
o'clock Mr.. Pnyn appeared, and, after looking
leisurely around at the empty seats. remarked
that he guessed lie would have to fine the COM
mittee. The committee did not begin to strag-
Gle in until o'clock. at which time Mr.. Payn
stroled into the circle In front of the stenogra-
piers desk, where he sat down next to Senator
Cogeeshall. When Chairman O'Connor arrived,
Mr. Payn remark cd that it might DO q good plan
to send the sergeant-at-Arms after tho COM
mittee and absent counsel. Mr.. Root came at
s:15 with Mr.. Quigg, and tho other committee
men, witnesses, and attorneys arrived soon
afterward.
Tho committee was called to order at $500
o'clock. whom Mr.. Raincs recalled Mr.. Smith.
with whom Rottenhauser said he had tho con-
versation. The witness gave general denial of
oil Rottenhauser had sworn to.
Mr. Psyn was next called. He said he heard
Of the bill increasing tho salaries of flremen,
and thought 1t took in both men and officers.
He heard that one Sheffield was interested in
the measure. Ho corroborated Capt. Burns's
statement about the New York interview. At
that time he learned that tho bill did not raise
officers salaries. He told Capt. Burns he would
look into it. and did So Ho had always known
Burns, and helped him get into the Fire Depart
ment. He had been interested in Burns Just
as am in all who come out Of Now York county
and behave themselves"
Mr.. Payn said he got a mandatory amend
ment prepared raising tho officers salary. This
he asked Senator Robertson to put on tho As
sembly bill in committee. Mr.. Robertson did
so, and they had never talked about it since.
He denied ever talking to Robertson about
taking off the amendment. He specifically de-
nicd ever talking with a Senator about money
being raised for tho Firemen's bill or any other
bill in his life. He said, "Capt. Burns is q very
brave man, but I do not believe hewould care to
suggest money to mo in reference to this BILL"
ment taken of tho bill at tho request of q
friend in New York. He told Mr.. Quigg that 1t
was not done for him, but for another. He de-
nied over telling Quigg that 10 would be expen-
siye to himself to take of the amendment He
never had any such talk wi3h QuiRR. When he
mot Quigg In Albany tho latter was in tho Sem
ate chamber. "Quigg." he said, sat down by
me and said' Now. tho F1remsn's bill is all
right, and will 60 through. and wish you
would take hold and help mo pass tbs Real
Estate Exchange biI,s Ho said no was per-
sonAlly interested In it. Many Of those people
lived in his district, he said, and they gave him
last fall for his election . largo amount OF
money. and he wanted to 90 this for thom. I
told him looked on tho Real Estate bill a.
syhEsS g any
r5 s.s :ss ss hss 1:Sn
s bo to bi@ He
ssHssss sHssFs' nomination for Congress, but without
ever come up for conversation 2" asked Mr..
mo 1t made me SMILE" was the answer.
Mr. Payn said his business for the past twenty
,dSsd sHS !fs broker
own newspaper" He had been in the Ameri,
can Tin Mining Company. and had sunk sunk sso, 900
five years he had "been interested in the cleo
thai that SO sort softbff Of thfnE" '''0 e''' e'' anu
And you have. conducted political machines
Selieve it "sss% Is not f.shonable to call them
machines now" was the reply.
rt2.-And you run ono in your own county? A.
NJ Kshes then turned to the old Erie S Es e
se?S Es RaRread Rsa Ps1r s to further the
came Interested in legislation to legal1Zo S1O,-
100000 Erie bonds. S. He was employed to act as
him % men he tnew ~ and WHO @ Would be able to
help MI, Gould. Daniel Drew and Cornslips ,s
hH tn! and
passed Afterward the matter was investigated:
aisnsurs at q that VAN
sa!kenburg had made an affidavit that what he
' eIs the not ss EsEass %ns h ad
before before the committee by Payn's attorney. and
s sSmtes hew ss H"G FoI sas has
vi HSS e Ysy him in Al. oy ya
seTiiaasd M1. faSn tE.re was netiRs to oui in.
.n.5 sr,np9'. ~ ms and was exonerated This was
member, who was at the point of death. When
Name, came up for appolntmsnt as United States @
Gresham j. S. Ketchan asked what reply had
tWWsSe, 70 Ny br9ther-in.law sent on The papers r
Generals office and have tried to get the papers,
succeeded"
Mr. Payl said he was appointed by President
Sraht in 1877. senator Roscoe COnkling took
Charge of the confirmation IN the Senate. and 1t
was Unanimous He said he had continually
associated with Rueben +. Fenton from 1866
aantil the day he left the Republican pnrty. fle
,oppgAt the Conkling faction until Conkl ling was
nnrr.,'dential candidate. He supported Conk-
lug lNen, and after that their relations were as
s,n, ,e as those OF any two men in the ! nitcd
Cornell "''" NN
m",a late years you have been somewhat init
inoah with what Is called the Patt wing of the
''s.pnHpcAn psrtyT asked Mr.. Raines
mat charge has been made and have
Aeyer denied it." was tho reply.
p.r,cnr nr, rayn said he was sorry that there were
PP1Ia,oN' IN New York who were opposed to Mr..
,nalas locits. Mr.. QuigG had been a Platt
rlrir"Fter ur'il very lately. He has lately been
Payn. '"H i''PNo''"A'' "'N -'
EESn,Wtlot is tho political standing Of the
tIns'tihs who own The i'reSf' Al should
>'ess SsII'Im, Hem as non League Goo-Go2s;