The Stark County Democrat. [volume] (Canton, Ohio) 1833-1912, 1895-07-25
HARVEY -HORR DUEL.
Outsiders Take a Hand In the
Scrimmage.
THE ACT OF 1873 UNDER DEBATE.
Harvey Forces Mr.. Horr to Take Up This
Subject, Leaving the Unit to Take Care
of Itseif-A Lively Tilt on Several
Interesting Points.
Copyrighted by Azel F. Hatch. !

uuel ueNelOpeu lnuO Reneral engage
ment, representatives of Philadelphia,
Kansas City and Cleveland and else
where pitching into the scrimmage
after the two principals had hacked
each other up to the limit The out.
siders who ventured into the fight in.
cluded H. l.. Bliss, o. B. Gum and +.
b. Starr. The actual debate opened by
Mr.. Harvey saying:
"Thus far we have considered two
questions, gold and silver as the money
Of the constitution and the unit OF
value in our monetary system fixed by
the trainers of the constitution, and
that what existed as our monetary unit
from 1899 to 1878. The debate on these
two points in the minds of the people
o doubt that has been produced by
Misrepresentation, made by those ad.
vocating the gold standard. The read
ing of the debate thus far settles these
two questions in favor of the book we
are discussing"
Mr.. Horr said: "The matter we
we're talking about when we closed was
the question whether the trainers of
the bill Of 1892 intended to establish
two measures Of value. Mr.. Harvey
criticised Judge Vincent for having de-
day, but very tamely in comparison
with the statements which he made
about him in print soon after he made
the decision; he even called him dis
honest in that criticism. Now, Judge
Vincent is reputable citizen, take it,
of Chicago. Some private individuals
submitted question to him and he de-
clded it as he honestly believed was
right, and there is this peculiarly about
1t, 10 is right. Laughter. Here is
what Judge Vincent decided: 1t is un-
doubtedly true that the milled dollar,
as it was then current, was the starting
point and the number of grains that
compose gold dollar was ascertained
by dividing the number of grains in the
silver dollar by 10.
"But this does not alter the fact that
the units were expressed In gold and
silver. On the contrary 1t seems to
show that both were made units of
value. The word unit was employed as
the equivalent of dollar and the dollar
was to consist of either one of two diff
ferent things, one-tenth part of 247I
grains of gold or 87l4 grains of silver
Just as equal values may be embodied
in given weights of any two given COM
modities, such as wheat or corn. A unit
Of value is the unit in which values are
expressed. The values both of gold and
silver are expressed in the act of 1894,
SO we have two units Of value. We
have two units Of value. If both had
not been SO expressed we could not have
hemetallism.
Mr.. Horr also quoted ex- Director of
the Mint Z. o. Leroh, that the laws
authorize both gold dollar unit and
silver dollar unit, different from each
iother In intrinsic value That was the
reason he Nerch) proposed the law of
1878.
Mr.. Harvey said: Yesterday at the
close, after had quoted as authority
for silver being the unit, the statute
itself, the utterance of Secretary Gal.
latin, decision by Chief Justice Chase
of the supreme court of the United
States, and other numerous authorities,
including Roswell G.. Horr OF New
York, Mr.. Horr then admitted that the
silver dollar was the unit of value, and
the record of yesterday shows that.
Now, In view Of his attempt to try to
twist something back into the discus
sion by which we are to believe him as
saying one thing yesterday and some
thing else today leave him to such
fate as the readers of this debate think
is proper. Applause. We agreed to
take up the subject of demonetization,
the act of 1878, in todays debate, and
having waited for him to begin and he
not beginning, now will start" Ap-
plause. Mr.. Harvey then discussed at
length the act of 1873.
Mr.. Horr, following on this subject,
said: eve now come to the discussion
of the law which changed this nation
from a bimetallic nation to single
standard nation, the law of 1873, which
Brother Harvey kindly names a
"crime." 1t has been called that as
long as there is nothing novel in the
name purpose to show you during this
discussion that no law has been ever
passed by the American congress which
was more completely and fully under
stood than the law of 1873. The state
ment which he read to you that the
scheme was concocted in London is a
simple assertion upon which he cannot
produce one scintilla Of reputable truth,
not one word. 1t has been good
many years since England dictated the
legislation of this country. They have
had trouble to do it since l776. Laugh
ter. They would experience as much
difficulty now as they did then if they
buOuiu upVOlhPo hC Jaw VI lOio
had its origin, as all such laws have. in
the brains of experts. The question of
coinage, mintage. is a most intricate
one.
'It is one of the most complicated
problems with which philosophical men
have ever grappled. 1t has been pro-
cess of development from the earliest
stages of humanity down to the present
hme which has given US the perfect
system of money, though not perfect,
as perfect as it has come to be, at this
time. If anybody will read the reports
of the Confederate congress of the
United States, the one that came i'm
mediately after the Colonial congress,
they will find that ali the men who
even assumed to be able to discuss the
matter intelligently could be counted
on the fingers of my two hands"
Mr.. Harvey said; "Mr. Horr says
that have no proof that the scheme
was concocted in London to demonetize
silver in the United States. When /
was q boy went into courthouse one
day to hear criminal trial, and heard
lawyer say, When crime is com
mitted and you want to detect the
criminal, look for the man that Is bene-
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