The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1895-07-02

SnOulQer ana SAID ne QaQ got me IN the
department and wanted me to be
loyal and true TO him, and if l saw
anything going on, to let him know
because there were some a. P. AS II
there and he wanted to get them out
Witness had seen the chief smoke or
the apparatus floor and had saluted
and not been recognized.
4. p. As His Friends.
Cross examination: Before Mr.. De
vine came in had there not been fac
tional fight between the A. P. A. s and
the others?"
Something of the kind, but did
not pay much attention to 1t.
Did you not tell Mr.. Devine about
this?'
I'VE had some conversation"
'@Did you not say that the A. P. A. S
were after you?"
Witness with alacrity)-No; the A.
P. IS are my friends.
John Manning, who was i'll for six
months, had gone away a lieutenant
and when he came back he was re-
duced and put on the hose wagon. He
is not well yet and could not take back
his old position.
Did you not tell members of the
department that you had frequently
asked for the position?"
Objection made and overruled.
v
! Clerk Chalmers for his appointment as
/ lieutenant. There was surprise on the
part of Mr.. Lippman, and then the
witness got rather mixed up and said
he had not demanded his reinstate-
ment, but had simply asked for a GER
/ tificate.
Mr.. Lippman was evidently more
surprised at this statement.
Did you ever state to members that
you were displeased with being re-
J duced?"
Yes, I did"
"Who was put in your place."
Mccarthy, who was appointed by
Oevine. There were other men who
were older in service
Gould you do the work now?'
mot quite
The prosecution had been assured
Manning would testify differently.
Cross examination: Said he had been
we'll treated: he had been appointed
lieutenant on probation; the chief had
never failed to salute him: he had no
personal complaints to make.
Signed the Charges.
Redirect: He had signed the charges
against the chief; he did not know
what he had signed until he had seen
it in The Herald.
why did you sign?" asked Mr..
Lippgnan, sharply.
= signed them TO get rid of
trouble l was told where to sign and
did it. like a fool. A man in my posi-
tion should not do so; that's the last
time I'll do it,
Are you in the habit of signing
your name without reading?" asked
Mr.. Lippman with fine sarcasm.
NO. sir
Did you not know how serious your
acts Were?''
On cross examination witness swore
he had signed the charges at Amos
Moreton's request.
Severe on Manning.
Cross examination: How did you
come to sign the charges?"
Amos Moreton brought me blank
sheet of paper"
did he read them TO you?"
mo, we went out to the blacksmith
shop. He said he was in a hurry and
told me where to sign" Oaughter.)
Mr.. Lippman-You knew what you
were doing, did you not?
NO. I was a fool"
Did you not sign a contract with
Powers and Straup TO pay s. toward
the prosecution of Chief Devine and
then come afterwards and beg that
your name be taken off the list?"
ST don't know that ] did"
The witness was allowed to escape
amid laughter.
Too Much Water.
Charles T. Vail had been a fireman
for five years. He thought there was
too much water used at the Waltner
fire. When he went in he saw the
heart of the fire and then called for
the men to shut off the water, as it
was being played promiscuously. He
did not know anything about the
Rich fire. He had seen the chief
smoke on the apparatus floor.
What is the cause of the discord in
the Department.
There has been a great deal since |
the Inauguration of the commission. |
Up to the time of the appointment OF |
the commission there had been no
discord.
REORGANIZATION: At WaItner's
fire some difficulty might have been i
avoided by the use of a respirator.
To Mr.. Jennings: At the Waltner
fire the chemical had been used after |
he called for a shut off of the water.
Lack of Harmony.
To Mr.. Stephens: From what he
saw at first he would never have turn
ed in d third stream. Up to the time |
of the inauguration of the commission
there had been no serious trouble.
Now there IS an unrest. Something is /
feared all the time. There are whisp-
ers as to who will be the next one
to go.
To Mr.. Powers: He believed the
men could be handled tremendously
if good judgment were exercised.
To Mr.. Stephens: The dissatisfac-
ton was partly due to the Manning
incident and the taking away of
days off.
Manning and His Threats.
Mr.. Lippman-Was Mr.. Manning
with his reduction to the
ranks?
yes, several times he said to me
he was going TO get his money and
his place If he had to go to the board
to get it
The prosecution then rested, with
the understanding that Messrs. L. B.
Rogers and J. T. Donnellan might
testify later. An adjournment was
taken until , o'clock.
Rogers Says it Was Bad.
In the afternoon Lewis B. Rogers.
agent was put on the stand
and asked:
Are you acquainted with the gen
eral reputation of Mr.. Devine as a
chief?'
Yes"
What it isl" f
Bad