The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1895-11-16
ER. GRIMES UNDER HOT PIRB
THEY WORRY IE foIIlrH, 7HRsAIs
Referring to the Men Who iuAportsnso
Him to Borrow Money How En-
pIoyes OF the City violated
City Ordinance by 0iving
Monthly Orders On
Their Pay.


The special committee of the CITY
Council, appointed to examine the an@rs
of the city Gas-Works. held another
meeting ut the Lower Gas-Works fest
sven,nr. The hour had been set for 3
o'clock, but. on account OF the pretraetoo
session of the Street Committee, 10 wn'sn
three OF the members belonged. nearly
thrpe-o,1arters OF an hour elapsed before
the proceedings began. The members
nr.sent were Messrs. Gunst tchair1nan).
Allen. King, Snead. cottreh and Wooay.
CITY Attorney Meredith and Superinteh-
det Knowles were also on hand.
THE riHsr WINES.
The first question taken up was the saie
OF Junk Mr. ID. .. Carton, VINO WAC
tho nrst witness. said: / am blacksmith
az the Gas Works. and have been here
since February 1884. | WAS authorized
by the foreman to notice the number or
loads of old iron carried away ana 10
report TO him afterwards These ioa"s
were not weighed here. because We hao
no scales for that purpose. 1'he man VINO
bought the junk usually came here ne
forshand but on one occasion the nrNer
came with a note. asking as 10 let the
driver have the iron. We tried one tltie
to weigh the load but could not get the
wagon on the scales. l am under the
impression that Smith got the iron once.
but Fsgan generally got 1t. strange
man came here afterwards and got some
iron. when Mr.. Marston was sent along TO
| have the iron weighed. l have no idea
! how many loads have been hauled away
! from here, but suppose they would ssho
| about once In three months. ana they
! would get about one load or load ana
a half away. | don't remember OF any
| norton of the building having been torn
| down within a year or so, which furnlsh-
ed a good deal OF scrap iron. snset ot
! iron and sheet OF boiler steel nave
been loaned out TO a Mr.. McLtnshiin' ana
only the latter was returned. ScNeta'
| pieces OF pipe were also loaned, but, 10
| my knowledge, not returned. me oid
iron consisted OF wrought and cast iron'
| the wrought iron were mostly CRATE bars
while the bearing lars were cast iron.
| There was other old iron acc,nnulating
around the place. The largest piece OF
wrought-iron pipe sent tway ss junk was
two and half inches In diameter.
SAW 1ug JUNK cARHIfD OUT.
Mr.. II. L.. Narston, who testified al
former meeting. was recalled. and said
! that he had seen the old junk iron car
rici out On one occasion l was sent
along To have the iron weighed; II was
for Messrs Watt & Call, who paid ~.
| He brought the money to MIR. walsh.
on two occasions | was sent to Pagan
to collect money for the junk. which hs
hal received. but | did not get II. / had
no bill, and | do not know how much
he owed I don't know II any entry or
these sales has ever been made, When
went to Watt & Calrs they got two dray-
I Of trnp \ bau
iron weighed Mt Fagans.
Colonel Smith, the expert accountant OF
the committee, was then called to sub
nit list OF the names or those who
mad violated the city ordinance. Before
the list was read, Colonel Smith said he
had not seen any junk account. and the
only receipts he noticed were for coal,
tar lime, and clay brick .
The ordinance approved April IL, 1888.
was read. which provides thar omcer o.
employees Of tho city, who give orders tot
their salaries. OF part OF ~. snail oo pun.
,shed. Colonel Smith then read list
from December I, 1894. to June l, lsSo, OF
persons who had given such orders Tho
total amount loaned out In that manner
was S.O0503 which was paid In orders
during the six months mentioned 10 the
following persons: John r. Grimes. a.
lgs 5s. DR.. Crenshaw, x,6 AZ: Burks Cloth
inc House g.. J. c. Walsh. so; Mrs r..
caldwell. $3.50; II. W. Pitcher, SzId6. X.
7. Butler 500 %; w. II. Bourne. 1888;
w. r. Phillips q Co. sio.7h; A. a. Col
llns. $40; James Botto. so, Philip oNei'.
all: ". C. Adams. SEQ: T. j. Walsh. -;
Mr. Eubank, $3.50
Colonel Smith then produced the papers
from which ne had made up the list. and
said II looked 10 him like the handwriting
Of what he was told was Mr. Walsn'e
There were two statements wy much
alike each other--that OF Mr.. Walsh ana
that OF Mr.. Adams-as he bad been 'o'd.
HOW Hr GAVE TIE Orders.
Mr. THOMAS Il. Grace was the first one
called ef those whose names app cared on
tho list OF Colonel Smith as having giveh
orders OH their pay He was questioned
bv Mr. Meredith. while Colonel smith
furnished the information as to the va
rious orders entered
Mr. Meredith: In looking at those "a
pers we md that your name appears very
frequently. What Is that order To Burk
Cr,thing House for2 Is II for clothes. oi
some,hing of that kind?
Mr. Grace: Yes. sir.
Q. Were you told that that was IN vio
laton Of the city ordinance?
A. No. sir.
u
orders on your nay every payday.
A. Yes. SIR; when I needed money.
wanted IT,
O. You were not told that that was II
, | violation OF the ordnance7
A. No. sir.
O. What IL the next order!
Colonel Smith: To Or. Crenshav. $i0.
Mr.. Meredith: Was that . DOCTORS bin
} Mr.. Grace: Yes. SIR.
. Mr.. Meredith: What r. the next order?
Colonel Smith His name appears twie'
| on this pxy-roli The first II &.R, an
, the other for $50; the latter In favor o
John r. Crimes
= Mr.. Meredith; What 10 the last one for
l Borrowed money?
Mr.. Grace Yes. sir.
Q. What did you pay. Just the amouis
x. Yes. sir: paid interest.
O. How much interest DID you pay:
A. Sometimes 10 per cent.
8. Ten per cent. FOR vhaty
4. Fifty dollars. A...-
for fifty dollars!
A. Yes. sir
Q. For two weeks,
4. That was q month that time. some
times ne let II run two months and dttn'
: charge any more.
Q. Do you mean thzt you iys NJ
! A. have mad Il for two months 70
! ave dollars. and sometimss 1 paid MS
dollars for 1t Tor thirty days
Nm. asrw,s QrsviFs.
Mr. John X. Grimes Mr.. Chairman.
, would like TO ask the gentlemen uuee
'2'i The Chairman: All right