The representative. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1893-1901, 1895-08-21

1t, and 1t was true, as every Otfrer item In
that list is true, which I have not now
the words Of this debate. Since this de-
bate began 1 have followed it's logical
arrangement. Much more might have
been said upon our side Of the debate
if it had not been diverted at almost
every step after we had passed through
the first chapter ending with the crime
of 1873. We stayed together as far as
that Since then Mr.. Horn has diverted
his argument, and had he not done so
it proba bly, might have been more edu-
cational. This debate is now coming to
a close, except Monday, when we treat
on independent action of the United
States, and as wish nothing Monday to
interfere with what say on that subject
now wish to refer to an unpleasant mat
ter.
"Since Mr.. Horn came to Chicago in
newspaper interviews and in words used
in this debate he has alluded to me in
very uncomplimentary language, and to
my manuscript, to my manner and meth
cd of presenting these great truths to
you. Mr.. Horn, my answer is this: That
1 regard this debate as great question
involving the interests Of the Ameri-
can people. My further answer Is this:
1t concers you. You are man of vast
experience. You are of all the public ora
tors and debaters the foremost in Amer
lea. You, as the financial writer of the
New York Tribune, are the best posted
man in the United States upon the gold
standard side of this question. You were
selected by the committee Of bankers of
this city for the reason that you are the
ablest man in America to present 1t on
their side. If there has been any weak
ness in your argument it has not been
on your account; it has been on account
Of your cause. Continued aplause)
GIVES MIR. HORR A DOLLAR.
II have no word of reproach to pass
back to you; I have only words of kind
ness to give you, and in addition to that
I am going to do something that will
cause you to remember this debate /
am going to give you souvenir by which
you may remember it. On the first day
of this debate, when it was question of
supremacy between my cause and your
cause, when 1t was a question of what
was the monetary unit of the measure
in our coinage system fixed by our fore
fathers, 1 introduced many witnesses.
among them Jefferson, the committee
that was appointed to fix monetary
unit the board Of treasury, Secretary
Gallatin of the treasury Chief Justice
Chase and others. But they are all now
dead l introduced one living. witness
it was the dollar itself of 1899, with the
word unit upon it. I am now going to
give this coin to Mr.. Horn. (Applause.)
Take it, Mr. Horn. Washington may
have CARRIED it in his pocket; Jefferson
may haves at one time had it in his pos
session; 1t may have paid for the paper
on which the declaration of war was
written in 1912 against Great Britain. 1t
may have been fondled by Jackson when
writing his message to congress against
the national bank. (Applause) 1t is a
fit souvenir for an American proud Of
his country and for it's institutions to
carry in his pocket all the days of his
life (passing dollar to Mr.. Horn. Gap
plause shouts, cries of "hurrah" and con-
tinued applauSe).
Mr. Horr-This little episode, according
to all the rules of parliamentary debate
and of social courtesy requires fitting
reply Of thanks to my friend for this
very kind action. I must say, however,
that I do not deserve one-half the eu-
logy he gives me. I came to this city
myself, expecting to discuss this question
in a scientific and in what I call a
straightforward way. I am not the most
eloquent defender of the gold standard in
the United States. I am perhaps an ex-
perienced public debater-that is, have
met many of the leading men of the
United States who differ with me on 9TH
err great questions. 1 came here expect
ing that the debate would be carried on
courteously quietly and that I was to re-
ceive the treatment due me as gentle
man. have never yet complained of Mr..
anything of the kind. I don't hold him
responsible for the treatment I received
through the first four days of this de-
bate.
MIR. HARVEY CLOSES.
Mr.. Harvey-If the judges please: In
bringing this debate today to a close, as
I did, and presenting Mr.. Horn with what
our Interpretation Of what an honest
dollar is to take back home with him, I
did not mean to prolong this debate, but
Mr.. Horn has said something that ought
not to go on this record without an expla-
nation. He has said words which would
indicate that this audience Of gentlemen
has treated him rudely. Now l don't
want to disagree with Mr.. Horn and I do
not want to say enough in what am say
ing now to raise any contention here, but
I want to say this, and these gentlemen
who have been here present during this
debate have been invited by the commit
tee in charge, and they are all gentlemen,
and the day that Mr.. Horn refers to was
the day that we were discussing the act
of 1873. Now, we all know that when you
come to a discussion of that act, how 1t
was passed, that it is the most excitable
subject in this whole controversy. Our
men are earnest, Jealous, life is real with
them, and they are simply earnest men,
and it was the applause that caused a
seeming interruption Of the debate. On
the other hand, Mr.. Horn is a man whom
it is difficult to listen to without enjoying
what he says. He gives a turn to points
in the debate which causes people to
laugh at times, and it was mOre-I sub
nit to the judgeS-it was more a matter
of the audience enjoying or applauding
both of the speakers that caused what
Mr.. Horn has placed wrong cOnstruc-
ton upon. I don't think any one in this
audience has acted ungentlemanly; he
has simply shown the fervor of his emo
tions.
When this debate commenced the first
day there was a good deal of applause
on either side, and it seemed to me that
this applause would interrupt or weaken
the very object of this debate; it might
have that effect. And I therefore endeav-
ored to suppress it as we'll as could, but
upon reflection I observed, however, that
the speakers themselves were not injured
by it. 1t seemd to me that it met their
approval, and in rejecting thought that
perhaps these speeches-able they have
been all of them-in going before the peO-
pie, if they were punctuated by applause
here and there, showing that the audience
appreciated the points that were made,
it might have a good effect. 1 therefore
desisted from any further attempt to
suppress applause. On Saturday of last
week l noticed, when Mr.. Horn was upon
his feet answering questions, some per-
sons in the audience applauding a QueS-
ton while he was holding it in his hand.
1 Immediately suggested that that thing
be stopped: that the audience should
show themselves in sympathy with either
side while he was upon the floor, so as to
encourage him-not discourage him. That
9nplanSp was not nrOnpr under those cir