The Seattle post-intelligencer. [volume] (Seattle, Wash. Terr. [Wash.]) 1888-1914, 1895-07-23


ei Mr Eorr not 20 refer 20 the prosperity
Of The country from 1913 20 1886" The
word tramp" was cointc IN IS73. and tsa
United States census shows that the de-
preston has been increasing al a dispro-
TogtieTate ratio So has the number az
penitentiary convic1s. persons confined IN
atfnshouses and insane aSyluns. and Of
suicides; the prosperity that has built up
mA11onalTes ana nlultt-nillionaires and
strswed this country wiyh millions Of
tramps and rsupers aad men that do not
Af'ow now they are going TO provide for
tRelr families in the coming year. CAP
pause change in relative production
haa no effect as long as the n1ints were
(Appiause)
Mr.. Hovr-I have never said mat the
caeap price OF silver was on account OF
It's over production. Silver has become
cheap an th.s world Just precisely the
same as wheat and iron. and zinc and
ieaa, ana other articles have been cheap
ened. Just precisely for the same reason.
tApplause) AL Of these articles have
been cheapsned cy the natural laws which
govern the production Of every substance
know 10 the producers of the world.
Mr W ID. Wilcox. OF Chicago-How
about goli7
Mr.. Horr-Gold the same. I am glad you
asked me. Gold deprecated In value in
less than 100 years 50 per cent 1t is
cheaper now than i, was in fS1s All
articles that can be produced by inven-
tions are cheaper than they were before
tae invention was made Everything
which brings machinery into play and
puts less human toll into their produc-
tion cheapens the article. The whole
trend OF civilization is 10 cheaper hu-
man products. gold well as silver and
wheat. large number of The articles
today produced in the world have not
- H.
moneJization of silver, but simply because
the laws of production have crowded
down the price. | can get today twice
as much gold for a DAYS work at the
plow as | did in 1s49. The people OF this
country are paid in gold for their work;
so they were IN $50. Wages are 70 per
cent. higher paid In gold for he same
amount OF work than in 1860. Has not
gold deprecated then. when YOU measure
il win the great commodity OF human
toll? What | find fault with is that sill
yer men invariably leave out of their call
cuIation the article of labor. and the ar
ticle of labor is the real article known
In the civilized world Cut down the pay
of labor and you paraiyze the entire bust
ness Of any nation. The men who do the
work. especially IN republic like ours,
are the men who consume
Mr. Tarvey-Mr. Horr says that every
thing has cheapened. including gold. To
say that gold and product cheaper Smut
taneously Is a fiat contradiction hou
buy gold by exchanging other products
for H. When il takes more property 20
buy gold than formerly. gold has risen.
Instead of becoming cheaper. gold mas
become dearer. and yet Mr. Horrs soph-
istry reasons that il has become cheaper.
He says TO the iaboring man; You can
buv more with gold dollar now than
Won ever could" and then turns 20 you
hat
ali the time.
This ended the debate for the day. and
questions were submitted from me au-
dienee.
Mr. Horr-This question Is put TO me ny
Mr.. John ]. McGrath. treasurer oil the
Pricklavers' and Stonemasons Union, or
chicago. I do not know that ] quite IN
dsrstand his question. but I will read ".
..Vhv Is Il that the workman's opportu-
nifty does not keep pace with his Increased
productiyeness: If he produces hVe tunes
what he did twenty years ago. ought ne 10
get five times the Tay? In otner Wofus'
what right has the dollar that It's Value
purchasing powerl should be increaseu
thereby?'' I do not understand the last
line understand the import. however. Of
the general question The trouble with
that question is that Mr.. McGrath as
s,,n,as two or three things that may not
he true .'Why Is ii that the workingman 5
onportunity does not keep pace with hts
increasing productveness?" L dld not
know but what il did. III he produces
i've times what he did twenty years ago
We'll. do not know as he does. DO you
Law i've times as many brick as you used
+o Law thirty years ago? Can man do
that? IT is a fair question. l do not kno"
as you could do that.
Mr.. Harvey-Did not you state In your
argument the other day that the proouc-
tIveness had increased something like hve
times as much?
Mr.. Horr--I do not know whether | ola
Or not. 7 would say so now, but did not
So maj each labor!ng man produ,ed flvs
times as much. by any means sta "a
before. and I Will repeat IL now 'hee
every invention that is made may N
crease productiveness twenty times. out
not OF the man that works ar mana laDot'
7 stated the law this morning that WHeh-
ever such invention is made par1 ol ''is
nroffs should go TO increase the pay Oh
tna iahorsrs rart Of Il should go 20 cheap
arl,v or the substance for those vho CON
emo II and part to the inventor or man
agsr TO pay him for his invention ana ior
rt1nninr the business. Now. hr. Mes'fa-h
how much do you get day TOT 4asias
tricks? - ..sos ,,o
4bst question Saturday. and asked me 10
see that Il was put to you.
NJ Horr-Is there any one In this audi
once who knows what oricklayers get
here today for such work. would iiks
n know IL any OF treSe men WHO a,S
tnr~t,y me or Mr. Harvey are brick
LAYERS or 10 they know how much hrick.
iavers get now My friend here says %
a,,.s an hor,r. That would be az the rate
~ ss for ten hours. ] used 10 hire BRICK
rrs fo- g. q a day. They were paid N
he currency 81 the country. 1ney cam
now s. day and are pal9 III goo. g, a.
80. chow that gold has increased IN
price? =. ,A., ,,e,
work.
Adjourned until tomorrow.
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