Evening star., 1895-02-21

have place on juries. especially when en-
gagged in the trial of offenses committed by
women and children.
Mrs. E. B. Wells was introduced by Mrs.
Sewall as proxy for Mrs. Zina D. II.
Young to continue the discussion. She
brought forth a number of arguments in
favor OF more complete cooperation be-
tween the sexes in dealing with the prob
lens presented by the existence of vice and
crime.
The speaker saw that she did not desire
to detract a whit from the credit and name
of men in work of this sort. The bravest
and ncbleSt men are as tender of heart as
the best Of women, but the best results in
correctional work can be brought about not
hy men or women separately, but by men
and women together.
Mrs. Fannie Barrier Williams a young
colored woman, of Chicago. read a care
fully prepared paper on the subject, in the
course of which she said that women feel
that there Is nothing in the world that is
too good to be applied to the work of max
ing good citizens out of what We are wont
to call bad children When men alone
are engaged in the work 1t Is likely to de-
generate too much into a mere matter of
sympathy. When men alone do the work
1t Is too often a matter Of dollars and
cents. Of appropriations and organization
Women in Managing Public Institu-
t1OnS.
Following the discussion on women in
correctional work came another on the
subject "Woman's Work in Managing Pub
lie Institutions"
The first paper was presented by Mrs.
Ellen c. johnson of Massachusetts, who
has long been interested in the work of
reclaiming criminals. She said that there
was nothing that gave her more pleasure
than the revolution in public feeling in
regard to this subject and the growing ap-
probation OF the Importance Of woman's
sphere or usefulness here as we'll else
where. In dealing with the problem of
crime, said Mrs. johnson, we must remeIn-
Der that sin is moral disease, and that in
curing 1t We must resort to the same
methods that We use in treating physical
ailments. First find the cause and then
the remedy. Criminals do not all become
SUCH from the same reasons. A woman,
for instance, may sin from motives that
may not be of themselves shameful. A
person who is ordinarily tractable, but
subject to violent fits of temper, should
not be regarded or treated in the same
way as another who is sullen. cold-biooded
and murderous
Special stress should be laid on this"
said Mrs. Johnson. earnestly, "leave out
the word incorrigibiiity from the term
fnology of crime. l 40 not believe there
is soul in which there Is not some germ
of aspiration that can be developed into
a strong power for good"
Mrs. johnson spoke at length Of the good
influence of flowers. music and the COM
paniOnShip OF animals in softenng the
hearts of the inmates of houses of correc-
tion. But 1t is faith and patience with
love to crown 1t all that conquers in the
end.
In reply to question from Rev. Anna
H. Shaw, Mrs Johnson said that she did
not believe in corporal punishment. In
eleven years of experience in dealing with
the very worst women that Massachu-
nf to noy .-hA bod
case where whipping was necessary or
where sympathy and faith and love would
not suffice.
The subject was then thrown open for
general discussion. and among those who
took part in it were Mrs. Margaret Ray
Wickins of Kansas. Mrs. Hoffman Of Illi-
nois, Mrs Francis E. Bagley, Mrs. Gran
mis- Of New York, Mrs. Hopkins of Mass
achusetts, Mrs. Green of Michigan, Mrs.
l.. NJ. n. Stevens of Maine, and Mrs. Gray
of California. At 1880 o'clock the morn
ing session adjourned.
Afternoon and Evening.
The program for the afternoon and even
ing sessions today is as follows:
Afternoon session, 3 o'clock.-"Organized
Work in Philanthropy" Young Ladies Ma
tional Mutual improvement Association.
Minnie ]. Snow. delegate. Utah; Illinois In
dustrial School for Girls National Charter),
Margaret /. Sandes, delegate, Illinois; Ma
tional Woman's Relief Society. Emmeline
3. Wells, delegate. Utah; Wimodaughsis.
Ruth G. D. Havens, president, District Of
Columbia.
Evening session, o'clock.-"Philan-
thropy" National Woman's Relief So
ciety Charity never faileth." Presiding
officer. zina D. H. Young: Heredity and
Progressionism, DR.. Ellis r. Shipp, Utah;
The Sixth Sense (paper), Sarah NJ. kin'ball.
Utah; The Spirit of Reform Reduced to
Practice (paper, Lula Greene Richards.
Utah. read by Aurelia S. Rogers. Utah;
Forty Years in the Valley OF the Great
Salt Lake Emmel!ne b. Wells, Utah.
Illinois Industrial School for Girls (Na-
tioDal Charter Duties are ours; events
are Gods" Presiding officer, Mrs. NJ. R.M
Industrial Schools and Schools of
Science Louise lockwood Wardner. In
diana: The New Thought the True Thought
for Philanthropy. Margaret Ray Wickins,
Kansas.
Mrs Ellen c. johnson, who read the pa
per before the council this morning on
woman's work in managing public institu-
tions. is i'll a good position herself to speak
on that topic. For number
of years past she has been the superintend-
ent Of the woman's prison of Massachu-
setts. and during that time she has had en-
tire charge of its management, including
the finances and the discipline OF the IN
stitution. She has conducted the duties OF
her office in a manner that could give
points to many men in the same work, and
many of her ideas have been adopted In
other places of the sort. She is opposed to
corporal punishment, and Is great be-
lever in moral suasion and the good ef-
fects of proper environment and sympa-
thetic encouragement. During her admin
istration of the prison she has always been
most generously treated by the legislature
in the matter of appropriations, and In all
her work she has always received valuable
support. In her own experience she has
found that woman can demand equal pay
for equal work. for when she was APP
pointed to the position at the head of the
prison she was given the same salary as
her male predecessor, and few years later
1t was raised $40 year without her
knowledge.
The question of equal pay" gave rise to
a lively and instructive discussion this
morning, in the course of which some wide
ly differing views We're expressed.
In her paper Mrs. Palmer had taken the
ground that women could afford to do the
same work for less wages than men, At
the conclusion of the business of the morn
ing, Mrs. Hoffman took exception TO this
statement and expressed the opinion that
such sentiment was degrading to the
sex She called upon Mrs. Palmer to give
her reasons for making the statement.
MIS- Palmer said that she could only say
that such a state Of affairs existed. She
old not know that she could give the rea-
for ba SirnlV taking the