The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1895-07-18
Outsiders Take Hand in the Con-
test and Fire n Few Questions
nt the Speakers.
ARGUMENT OF PRINCIPLES
..COIN'- NOT ANXIOUS TO DISCUSS
THE UNIT QUESTION.
He Immcdiateiy Tackfes the .sCrfme
OF 1871 and His Opponent Re-
pIies-Text of the Debate.


Copyright by Azel F. Hatch lSa5.)
CHICAGO. July 1.-THE Harvey-Horr
duel to-day developed into a general en-
gagement. representatives, of Philadelphia,
Kansas City and Cleveland and elsewhere
pitching into the scrimmage after the two
principals had hacked each other up TO
the limit The outsiders who ventured into
the fight included H. l. Bliss. o. b. Gum
and +. b. Starr.
The hostilitieS of the day began by Mr..
Horr remarking in a pointed manner that
Mr.. Harvey read an essay here yesterday
upon the condition of the world during the
fifteenth century. and especially up 10 the
discovery OF America, 1892 He read that
statement without its having been called
out at all by me. had not attacked that
part OF his book. But he made such an
elaborate effort to show the condition OF
things in the world from 400 TO 1870 that I
have taken a little pains TO find out II
could whether there Is any truth In the
representations that he makes. and ind
that history leaves him in as bad condi-
| tion in this regerd as it does in regard 70
| the bulk Of the statements in Coins Finan-
cial School,
Continuing. Mr.. Horr quoted Professor
Thorold Rogers, Hallam, Leber. Nautilus,
| Hyndman and others to show that the
! lot OF the millions in Europe was rising
before 1892, and that of the feudal aristoc-
| racy, with its tyranny was crumbling 10
fall" Mr.. Horr said: ''Mr. Harvey and his
free silver friends identify prosperity and
| the progress of man with the LOT OF the
| feudal nobility of Europe and not with that
of the toilers. Rogers as well as Hallam
speaks of the gradual elevation OF the
people themselves as opposed to the small
1 shall show that in his treatment OF the
present, as of the past. Mr.. Harvey stands
as the exponent of the rich and not OF the
toilers. whose welfare should first be con-
sidered by the legislation of the State
HARVEY EXPLAINS.
Mr.. Harvey replied: "wher volun-
| teered to explain the preface to the school
yesterday, without waiting for IL TO be at
tached because gold-standard papers all
| over the United States had charged that n
wes a forgery. that no such quotation as
was there used -pYas ever made from the re-
port of any monetary commission or any
other official document 1 read from the re-
port OF the United States monetary COM
mission OF 1876. not for the purpose OF en-
4 tering into an argument political econo-
my OF the year i4oo TO 1900 but simply 10
| show that all OF my friends from New York
| and elsewhere who had accused me OF for
| argue with Mr. Horr that the monetary
committee did not know what they were
talking about. He shall not get me a. any
point in this debate TO divert my mind from
the regular argument and logical arrange
ment OF the debate. That man could put
together words that would convince an un-
thinking wcrkii:gman that he was better
off to-day by far than he was In 1917. or
who can convince farmer that he u get
/ would expect him TO convince crowd
who are not studying history that prices
rose during the dark ages at the very time
| that they were falling. and that iabor1n8-
men were faring well at the very time when
they were working as the serfs or the lords
of Europe. DIR. Adam Smith, an able his
| hands yesterday. confirms all that there -
| In that monetary commission. Page liz gives
iradicts yuu ts everything that Mr.. Horr has said
| here Now proceed: Thus far We have con-
| sdered two questions. gold and silver az the
value I'm our monetary system nxed by the
| trainers of the Constitution. and that what
existed as our n os yvane In. fb9s fa m
| eliminating the doubt that has existed
on these two points in the minds %
produced by misrepresentation, made by
| those advocating the gold standard. The
| reading of the debate thus far settles these
! two questions in favor OF the book We are
| discussing
Mr.. Horr-The matter We were taking
| question whether the trainers OF the bill
of 1892 intended TO establish two measures
of value. Mr. Harvey criticised Judge N
marks yesterday. but very tamely. In COM
| parison with the statements which he made
about him IN print ,isd sJIn h d,sbonss, n
that criticism. Now. Judge Vincent Is
| reputable citizen, l take IL. or chicago
| Some private individuals submitted a oues-
| estly believed was right. and there is this
pecularity about tilt Is right uaugq-
| teri Here Is what Judge Vincent decided:
| 1t is undoubtedly true that the u1.llee dol
| lar as IL was then current, was the stsrt-
Ing-point and the n1mber OF grains tnat
! compose a gold dollar was ascerfained by
| dividing the number of grains in the silver
! dollar by fifteen. But this does not alter
gold and silver. On the contrary. IL seems
| to show that both were made units or
value. The word unit was employed ss
| to consist OF either one OF two different
! things-one-tenth part Of e6k grains OF
ysiues SSiu 81 NAV n be embodied in given weights Of
1 any two given commodities such as wheat
| or corn. A unit OF value Is the unit IN
! both OF gold and silver are expressed In the
Act of 1894 so we have two units or value
We have two units Of value. ~ both nao
! bimetailism" Mr.. Horr also quoted ex-
| Director OF the Mint r. O. Leech. that the
a siiyer-doliar unit. different from each
| other I'm intrinsic value. That was the
reason he Q.eech) proposed the law OF ls'z
| and 1873
HoRR ACCUSED or TWISTING.
Mr.. Harvey-Yesterday. at the close. after
I had auoteI as authority for siver being
the unit the statute itself. the utterances
of Secretary Gailstin. a decision by Chief
Justice Chase. OF the Supreme Court OF the
United states. and other numerous au-
thorltieg, including Roswell G. Horr, Of
| New York Mr.. Horr then admitted that
the silver dollar Was the unit OF value, and
the record OF yesterday shows that. Now.
| fin view of his attemp; TO try TO twist
something back into the discussion BY
which We are TO believe him as saying
one thing yesterday and something else to-
| dav 4 leave him ID sHcn fate as the read
| ers of this debsts think proper. tAIFlao<e-)
| In his constant attempt TO discuss binet-
alllsm. the relation OF silver and gold. be-
fore we get 10 that which II IN the second
csapter OF the school he IL trying TO mig
| the subject up. When We get there We viii
see that neither Mr.. Horr nor Judge Vim
! cent knows what bsmetaiiism is. and many
things that ne Is now mixed up on viii
| then be cleared and Mr.. Horr will BE- even
A babe. (Appiause) We agreed 10 take up
| the subject os demonetiza ton. the act or
! lS73 in to-day's debate. and. having waited
/ for him 10 begin and he not beginning.