The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1895-04-21

present conditions The time to settle
| the question was then. Being more
numerous the convention is more rep
resentative than a legislature will be
for some time. He stood appalled, at
the prospect of destroying so much
property to secure union. He was not
willing to make the sacrifice in order
to try an experiment. Where in or
near Salt Lake can boys be placed
right on the farm? The institution at
Logan has demonstrated it is Sue
cess; but this is simply promise or
greater success in the future. 1t is
possible now to establish University,
Separate from the Agricultural college,
able to meet all the needs of our
population.
Hlll-Do you think that by removal
we would lose the value of the lands
in Logan?
Roberts, believe. so.
Hill-Wfth the proceeds of the sale
Of the college building could we not
buy land in Salt Lake county?
Roberts-No. 1 think It would be a
total loss.
Located in Wisdom.
Farr said the college was located in
Logan in wisdom by men of wisdom.
This applied to the University. 1t had
been placed in Salt Lake and should
! be kept here. 1t should not be left to
every legislature. He did not want the
whole United States dumped into Utah.
We do not want too many things to-
gether.
Hill said that from what he had
heard in the convention he had con-
cluded that an inopportune time had
been chosen for granting statehood.
The people do not seem able to sustain
it. On one hand one says we have not
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then he turns around and says we can
spread out over the whole state with
educational institutions. He was ready
to vote for union in Logan. United
we stand, divided we fall"
Murdoch, of Beaver, said the trouble
with the college was a lack of patron
age. That is one of the objections to
keeping it up. Hart, however, replied
that the attendance is very good.
Pupils come from all over the territory
and from surrounding states. During
the winter there had been 365 pupils
and there are now AS.
Pierce Go HarD-Is not the Agri-
cultural college being used as a high
school for the pupils of Logan?
Hart-No. 1 believe the college is
filing the ideas of the legislature 1
have heard this same charge against
the Univ ~sity. I think they are both
being misrepresented.
Could Not Maintain Both.
WINS asked President Smith to take
the chair. He said he had come to the
last legislature strongly in favor of
the college at Logan and its permanent
location there. 1t is the most import
ant question before the convention.
He remembered the agitation of the
question. The result of his investiga-
ton was that he was converted
against his prejudices. He knew if he
did anything against the college he
would displease some of his best
friends. But he could not help being
convinced for union.
Are the two institutions now alive?
No. We cannot give them enough to
carry them on properly. The last legis-
lature had given niggardly sums. For
a generation to come the state of Utah
will not have it in its power to firmly
and properly establish both institu-
tons. But. it can sustain one. He
denied he had been steered by Salt
Lake parties. He had simply followed
his own convictions. The legislature
which bonded the territory for the
public institutions had been caught by
the boom fever and had gone crazy. 1t
had bonded for $3.50, 900 and given more
than was needed If the question was
left to the legislature he would have
to be satisfied. But he wanted to see
the institutions taken off wheels.
Cannon Roasts Thoreson.
Harvard, and other authorities in
favor of union. He had heard Presi-
dent Paul, of the Agricultural college
make a plea for union when the ques-
ton was up before the last legislature.
Why this change? Now there seems to
be a rivalry between the two institu-
tons. A delegate from Cache
(ThnrpCQnl had n Of Ii orlax
and said that graduates of the Univer-
sity are disappointments. Yet three
of his colleagues from Cache were
graduates Of the University. He had
seen men in Cache who are graduates
and who are yet successful farmers
and hard workers.
Bowdle said he knew something
about the Agricultural college in Ohio. /
The separate Institution was abandoned
because students did not want to at
tend what was looked down on as a |
farming institution. Now a strong
University has been established 1t is /
not a place on wheels, part sere and |
part there. Farmers sons need not be I
ashamed to be seen by the upper class
men. The best classmen are from
farms. In union there is strength He
did not care where union is made, but
he wanted it.
Nebeker Goes After Thoreson
Nebeker wanted Union It would
cast no reflections on any legislature
TO bring it about. The fact is the terri
tory had taken too large a contract.
He did not like Thoresen's reference to
dudes. He had gained all his educa-
ton at the University. but he could
pitch hay, survey water bitches or as
say hand samples as we'll as Thoresen.
But a dude is born, not made by ed
ucation. 1t is neither male or female.
He did not believe it right to keep the
people of Cache or Salt Lake on the
ragged edge of uncertainty. The
whole question should be settled at
once.
For the Poor.
Kerr said that higher education was
for the poor. 1t was the ladder on
which they could climb into promi-
nence. Rich men could send their
sons away.
Eldredge said he would vote for
union. Either there must be econ
omy in education or the tax levy
would have to be made. He was not
in favor of spending so much money.