The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1895-07-18

tions Flow in at the Close of the
Second Days Debate.
CHICAGO, July 17.-[Copyright 1895
by Azel F. Hatch.EThe Harvey-Horr
meeting today developed into a gen
eral engagement representatives Of
Philadelphia, Kansas City, Cleveland
and elsewhere pitching into the scrim-
mage after the two principals had
hacked each other up to the limit
fight included H. L. Bliss. o. B. Gum
and E. B. Starr.
HOstiiities Began.
The hostilities Of the day began by
Mr.. Horr remarkIng in a pointed man
ner that Mr.. Harvey read an essay
here yesterday upon the condition of
the world during the fifteenth cen
fury, especially up to the discovery of
America in 1892. He read that state
ment without its having been called
out at all by me, as I .iad not attack
ed that part of his book. But he
made such an elaborate effort to show
the condition OF things in the world
from AGO to 1890. that I have taken a
little pains to find out, if I could,
whether there is any truth in the
representations that he makes, and
find that history leaves him in as bad
condition in this regard as it does
in regard to the bulk Of statements in
Coins Financial School"
Continuing Mr.. HOrr quoted Pro-
fessOr ThorOld Rogers, Hallam, Leber,
Nautilus, Hyndman, and others to
show that the lot of the millions in
Europe was rising before 1892, and that
of the feudal aristocracy, with its
tyranny, was crumbling to a fall.
Mr.. Horn said: Mr.. Harvey and
his silver friends Identify prosperity
and the progress of man with the lot
of the feudal nobility of Europe, and
not with that OF the toilers.
Rogers, as wei as Hallam, speaks
! OF The gradual elevation of the peo-
/ pie themselves as opposed to the
small number of rich and noble.
Later, 1 shall show that in his treat
ment of the present, as OF the past,
Mr.. Harvey stands as the exponent
/ of the rich and not of the tOilers,
J whose welfare should first be cOnsid-
cred by the legislature Of the state.
Was Not Forgery.
Mr.. Harvey replied: when I vol
unteered to expain the preface of the
/ School yesterday without waiting
for it to be attacked, because gold
standard papers all over the United
States had charged that it was g for
gerry, that no such quotation as was
/ there used was ever made from the
report of any monetary commission
or any other official document l read
from the report of the United States
monetary commission of 1876, not for
the purpose of entering into an argu-
merit on political economy of the
years 400 to 1900, but simply 10 show
that all of my friends from New
York and elsewhere who had accused
me Of forgery were wrong. Now am
not going to argue with MIR. Horn that
the monetary commission did not
| know what they were talking about
He shall not get me at any point CT
this debate to divert my mind from
/ the regular argument and logical ar
rangement of the debate. A man
confd mi together worcs that would
convince an unthinking workingman
that he was better off today by fa1
than he was in 1872 and who car
convince a farmer that he is getting
Ii~her prices now than he was IN
1879 would expect him to convince
crowd who are not studying history
that prices rose during the DARK ages
at the very time they were falling
and that laboring men were tarlng
ell at tbe very time when they were
working as the serfs OF the lordS OF
Europe.
C~tradicts Everything.
CDR. Adam Smith, an able historian
whose work I put into MI Horr
hands yesterday. confirms all ina
there is in that monetary commission
page III gives you the table OF the
rise of prices that contradicts every
thing that Mr.. Horr has said here.
s"Thus far we have considered TIVE
questions, gold and silver as the
money of the constitution and the uni
of value in our monetary system nHeS
by the trainers of the constitution, anC
that which existed as our monetary
system from 1892 to 1873. The debat'
is of value. thus far, in eliminating TIT
doubt that has existed on these TIVE
points in the minds of the people;
doubt that has been produced by mis-
representations made by those advo
eating the gold standard A reading
of the debate thus far settles these tw'
questions in favor of the book we ar
discussing.
Vincents Decision.
Mr.. Horr. 1.-The matter we wer
talking about when we closed las
night was the question whether tn
trainers of the bill of 1898 intendes &
establish two measures of value. MI
Harvey criticised Judge Vincent 70
having decided that case in his re
marks yesterday, but very tamely il
comparison with the statements whicl
he made about him in print soon afte
he made the decision; he even GALE
him dishonest in that criticism. Now
Judge Vincent is a reputable citizen
I take it, of Chicago. Some privat
individuals submitted a question {
him and he decided it as he honestl
believed was right. and there is thi
regularity about it = it is right
Gaughter) Here is what Judge Vim
cent decided: 1t is undoubtedly tru
that the milled dollar, as it was the
current, was the starting point an
the number of grains that compose
gold dollar was ascertained by divic
ing the number of grains in the silve
dollar by 10. But this does not alte
tba fact that f11a 1Ir1ikS wpra pXDreSSe