The Jersey City news. (Jersey City [N.J.]) 1889-1906, 1895-08-01
HOLMES DENIAL.
The Suspected Murderer of
Seven Persons Talks
About His ACCuseTs.
SAYS HATCH MAY RUIN HIM
C~riticises the Chicago Police and
Declares That Minnie Williams
Is Still Alive.

PHILADELPHIA, Aug. 1, 1851. H.
Holmes, who is charged with about every
crime on the calendar. made a state
ment yesterday in the County Prison re-
garding the latest developments in the
series of murders with which he is ac-
cused.
9TH Chicago officials" he said, may
claim that 1 am responsible for the
death of Minnie Williams, Emily Gig
rand and Mrs. Conner and little JUL,
but l can show conclusively that these
people have not and could not have been
done away with by ne. l. am willing
to admit that Emily Cigrand was en-
ployed by me as a clerk and typewriter
for quite a while, but 1 cannot say where
she is now"
Holmes declared that Minnie Williams
is alive. "A few days after leaving her
in Detroit" he continued. 81 sent How
ard Pitezel to her from Indianapolis. and
both of them came East. Since then |
have seen neither her nor the boy. Re-
garding my acquisition of her property,
all l can say is hat l traded a piece
of property in Willismote, ILL.,, with her
for a dub corner lot in Forth Worth,
Texas"
How did the Williams property again
| come into your possessfon?" he was
| asked.
HIS EXPLANATION.
THAT property is not in my posses
sion," replied Holmes. 81 have a note
though, which calls for a Dan of &c. 500,
given by Minnie Williams to her brother,
Horace A. Williams. Horace used the
note as collateral. and I advanced some
money on it. He gay me the note and l
gave him a due bill for the balance which
the note called for. I think that explain
alton accounts for my dealings with Min
ME Williams and her property.
When Holmes was asked about the
identity established between Allen, alias
Caldwell and Hatch, who is now confined
in the Little Rock, Ark, penitentiary,
and the imminent confession of the man,
he said he was not disposed to discuss
that matter at present.
POLICE AWAY OFF.
81 will say. however" he went on,
that the police out West are away off
i'll this case. They do not know what
they are talking about. I will tell you
frankly that l do not care what number
Of confessions Allen makes. They can
not harm me. But Hatch is Ahe man I
fear. He is responsible, or at least can
account for the disappearance of the
Pitezei children. He took them from
Toronto. and I nave not seen them since.
Should the police find Hatch he is liable
to turn around and accuse me of muir
dering these children. OF all other
Things I am accused wrongly in that
case. AS long as Hatch keeps out of the
way they cannot prove that 1 murdered
the Pitezel children, but if he is found and
accuses me of that crime I do not know
what to do. 1t would be a case of dog
eat dog. fer he can swear just as strong
ly as I can"
Holmes persistently refused to discuss
the report that Allen n Hatch are
the same persons.
DOESN'T FEAR QUINLAN.
Then touShing upon the Quinlan end
of the case, he said:-'"This talk about
Quinlan making a confession and i'm
pEcating me in all these horrible crimes,
is the veriest nonsense. Quinlan will not
confess anything and his wife does not
know anything to confess. Even if
Quinlan did know some things about me
he is not that kind of a man to shoot
off his face to those Internal fools of
police. and the fact he cannot tell them
anything makes my mind much easier.
/ ont fear Quinlan, and whatever con-
fession he makes to the police cannot
injure me.
TN relation to the aggregation of
charges made by the Chicago police, I
will say that they nno prove any
thing positively against me-. The bones
that they claim to have unearthed in my
building do not mean anything. That
place was originally a dumping ground
and all kinds of rubbage was deposited
there. I can confidently say that neither
the police in Chicago, Toronto, Phila-
delph:a, or anywhere else can produce
evidence to show that 1 ever murdered
anybody"
HATCH'S ALIASES.
1t is stated by officers of the Fidelity
Insurance Association, the concern that
Holmes swindled, that Hatch Allen
and Caldwell are the same man whose
true name is Hatch. 1t was also stated
that Hatch or Allen is not the Mascot"
who helped Holmes swindle the people
of Fort Worth and steal the horses
from Texas. d officer of the Fidelity
also positively said that Hatch could
not nave been in Toronto at the time
Holmes took the Pitezel children there,
as he was then an inmate of the Lit
tie Rock P~enitentiary. where he had
been sentenced to fifteen years for
horse stealing.