The representative. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1893-1901, 1895-08-28
The GREET DEBATE.
Silver and Gold Face
to Face.
A Historical Discussion
i Read Both Sides.
NINTH DAY, MONDAY, JULY 20.

MI. HOrr-'My ITleuu harvey ID pc-
culiarly fortunate, or unfortunate, in his
Use of figures. All correct figures given
by him in this debate when analysed
prove the correctness of my position
The support for this assertion is found
alone in incorrect statistics or statistics
which apply to a subject with which
they have no relation. Let us illustrate:
The only detailed and correct figures
which he has presented of American
grain prices were given on Thursday for
corn in 1872 and 1894. When analysed
they show per capita decrease for man
and beast in the latter year of % per
cent and an advance in gold prices of Is
per cent. This corresponds with what
Mr.. Harvey repeatedly has said is to be
expected under normal conditions &C
cording to the law of varying supply and
demand, and thus proves that silver leg
islation has not affected corn in the Uni
ted States
when I presented my averages for
agricultural products Mr.. Harvey said
they were misleading, but on the same
day he turns around and introduces the
tables of Sauerbeck and others all based
upon averages. Is not sauce for the
goose sauce for the gander?" Mr.. Har-
vey knows that no American tables con-
structed by averages since 1874 have
been or can be presented to prove a
marked decline in the price of agricul-
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he goes to Europe for his figures. They
doubtless are correct for that country.
They prove nothing for this, any more
than they do for the grain raised by the
man in the moon. l defy him to pro-
duce the table of averages for agricul-
tural prices in America constructed by
himself or anyone else, that will show
a decline for the whole country since
1875. He challenged my figures Satur-
day about mortgage debt. l proved his
table of debt incorrect to the amount
of $4,000 100000. Here, Brother Harvey,
is the table extra census bulletin, No.
IL I did not present it the other day
with great flourish, as is the wont of
some people in a debate of this kind
Qaughter), and say: Here is the book
Hence this challenge. But after chal-
longing my mortgage figures, within ten
minutes thereafter Friend Harvey pro-
ceeded to give some figures relating to
tenancy in the United States. He did
not produce any government figures; he
did read from newspaper article by a
nameless writer. The writer compared
the farms worked by tenants and owners
In 1880 with farm-Owners and farm ten
ants in 1880.
"The figures used for the two are diff
xxy1,n III
comparisons between different things in
different decades cause the increase of
farm-owners to appear only one-half
what it actually was and to make the in
crease of farm tenants to be actually
twice as great as it was. Where are
your government figures for farm ten
ants? ask for their production. Mine
are In the abstract of the last census
page GA, which now present
I'm his last address relating to city
tenancy, Mr.. Harvey says, the tenancy
in New York City is the largest Of
what? Of any place in this country or in
the world? You did not state, Brother
Harvey; can you tell me now what you
meant by greatest
Mr.. Harvey-'I didn't say that. read
you the exact language of the census bull
letin."
Mr.. Horr-"You are reported, if you are
published correctly. didn't know what
you meant by greatest
Mr.. Harvey-'I read you from the CEN
sus bulletin; will send to my room and
get it,"
REGARDING TENANCY IN BERLIN
AND NEW YORK.
Mr.. Horr-"Here it is, the very one
Now, the same paragraph, right in the
same paragraph in which you are quot
ing, is the tenancy as to the people in
Berlin-if you had read the whole para
graph you would have shown the people
of this country that while the tenancy
in New York is 1854 per cent, in Berlin
it is 1855 per cent. You have prejudice
against reading the whole of anything,
havn't you?"
Mr.. Harvey-"Let me say now, what I
read you the other day I now read you
again from the census bulletin. 1t reads:
The highest city home tenancy in New
York city is represented by 1857 per
cent
Mr.. Horr--"Is it 90 or S3?"
Mr.. Harvey-"93.67; very close to your
Berlin quotation" Naughter)
Mr.. Horr-"Very we'll, very we'll, don't
get fearful about it. Uaughter.) In Ber-
lin right under it shows $685..
Mr.. Harvey-'Ten years more and you
will have it," (Applause)
Mr.. Horr-"What l object to is he is all
the while endeavoring by his COMPARE
sons to show that this is the meanest ma
ton on the earth. Cry of No. from the
audience) I beg your pardon, am as
capable Of judging that as you are. After
he had mentioned that, why doesn't he
show us what the tenancy in the city
was in the next line and show he was
mistaken. All, but this is the thing I
object to- did not say anything about
the tenancy in big cities-that was not
the point l was replying to a point
made by him in his book that farm ten
ancy was a bad thing and was increas-
ing. City tenancy is an entirely different
thing, and I showed the people of this
country that the increase of farm ten
ancy has come entirely from the lower
classes, who have been working for wages
before, and"
Mr.. Harvey-"Mr. Horr, may I inter-
rupt your
Mr.. Horr-"Certainly.'
Mr.. Harvey-"Mr Horn, didn't 1 show
you that farm tenancy has increased
from rs per cent in 1880 to "a in 1902
A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
Mr.. Horr-'Yes, but you didn't quote
it correctly
Mr.. Harvey-"Yes, I did,"
Mr.. Horr-"The figures gave took
right from the report Again in this de-
bate, Mr.. Harvey, you stated that the
number OF the unemployed at present