The San Francisco call., 1895-07-19
The New York Editor Objected
to Being CIassed as a
Money-Lender.
He ALSO DEFENDED CONGRESS.
Was the Demonstration Of Silver
the Act of a Band of Con-
spirators?
rCopyrght, 1895, by Azel F. Hatch.l

CHICAGO, Ill, July 18.-The Harvey
Horr debate to-day was marked by consid-
erable acrimony on the part of both
speakers. In beglrning Mr.. Horr said he
had a personal explanation to make. He
quoted the following paragraph from his
opponent S argument of yesterday: "These
principles are for the selfish interests of
money-Ienders, and Mr.. Horr is here advo-
eating them" Mr.. Horr said he took them
as a reflection on his character. He con-
tinued: 81 am not a money-lender. have
no interest in any bank or institution of
like character. I was raised on a farm,
and my first work was done for $10a month.
[ came into this debate to advocate those
principles which will be for the best inter-
ests of the working classes, from which 1
come"
Mr. Harvey explained that when he said
Mr.. Horr advocated the principles of
money-lenders he did not mean to say that
Mr.. Horr himself was money-lender. He
thought, however, in giving the history of
his life Mr.. Horr should not have omitted
to state that he had at one time been a
bank president. This question will not
be settled by any man parading himself as
a horny-handed son of toll" said the tree
silver man. st lies deeper than that"
Mr.. Harvey then plunged knee-deep into
a discussion of the act of 1873, which de-
monetized silver, but was shortly inter-
rupted by the bell of the timekeeper.
Mr.. Horr, after indulging in a little
sarcasm at his adversary's expense, took
up the history of the passage of the act of
1873, and defed the champion of the white
metal to produce any proof that England
had any hand in the act of 1873. In reply
to this Mr.. Harvey said that Delmar, the
English historian, had made it matter of
record that the English bill of 1876 de-
monetizing silver, was for two weeks in the
the hands of Mr.. Knox, the American
Comptroller of the Treasury. This state
ment was followed by denuneiation of
Congress.
1.-THE attempt to smirch the Congress of
the United States can be characterized by
no other word than infamous" shouted
Mr.. Horr, leaping to his feet. 1.-The man
who starts in to do this had better never
have started at ALL"
In the opening exchange of personalities
Mr.. Harvey also said: 'Mr. Horr and nu-
merous employees of newspaper corpora
tions and other corporations are in part,
many of them, representing their honest
convictions. and l accord that to the hon.
orable gentlemen from New York. Many
of them never stop to analyZe the Ques-
ton, the great principle that must make
or unmake the republic in which they live.
1t is only question of salary which they
consider. You say that man should bet
ter himself and if a better salary is offered
him take it. Not for all the combined
salaries in the world would 1 accept posi-
ton where I would have to advocate
principle that I thought would destroy the
liberties of my countrymen. There is
something in this life greater than money.
When we again get the American people |
to believe this-and not until then-can
we again have liberty in this land, and |
every man will have an opportunity to |
make living without being deprived of it |
by the aggregation of selfish interests. |
The value OF the debate yesterday was
this: A studied Misrepresentation has |
gone before the people of the United States |
that there was only $8,OO0,0OO of |
silver coined by the United States Govern |
ment prior to 1873. Now, meeting face to |
face with representative of the other side |
of the question, this debate now carries to |
the people of the United States the ad-
mitted fact that there was $143.OOO,0 900 of |
silver coined prior to 1872
Mr.. Horr took up the question of the
origin of the law of 1873. He said It was
drafted after consulting large number of
experts, who were apt to know little
more about the monetary question than
those who had never studied it all. He
denied that the bill had its origin in Eng
land, or anywhere except in the brains of
the people who were looking after the
coinage interests of the United States. He
defed Mr.. Harvey to prove one single item
that had any reference to the British con-
trolling or debating the matter. He con-
tinued: every step taken in the incipi-
ency of this measure was as open as the
light. Thousands of copies of the bill were
sent broadcast to all parts of the country.
No one tried to cover up the fact that the
bill, as originally drafted by Mr.. Knox and
indorsed by Secretary Boutwell, of the
Treasury, dropped the silver dollar piece
of the United States and changed the unit
of value. ALI the letters of the experts and
the report of Mr. Knox were printed by |
order of the Senate"
Have you that bill and those letters |
with you, and will you produce them dur
ing this debate?" asked Harvey.
Il will If 1 have them. am not sure if |
1 brought them with me-" answered Horr. |
by examing the records of the day and !
the newspapers" said Harvey, 1--WE find
there was an era of corruption in Congress
at that time. Clinton Colgate confessed
before the Ways and Means Committee of
1873 to the use of money to influence the
incorporation of special features in the in
ternal revenue bill, testifying, among
other things, that Charles Sherman of
Ohio, brother of Senator Sherman, had
been paid $4,000 by the New York Stock
Exchange in connection with the revenue
bill. The fact developed that while the
money had not been paid, Judge Sherman