The Coconino weekly sun., 1895-08-01
WAGES AND PRODUCTS.
Ninth Day of the HOrr-Harvey Debate
 Organized Labor Discussed.

Horr opened the days talk with com parison of the wages and the cost of products during the. years from 1860 to 1890 as shown in a table prepared Ly Statistician Carroll D. Wright With wages and prices in 1860 taken as the index or 100, it showed in 1890 prices were 92; wages 159, and the purchasing power of wages 172. Mr Horr proceed ed to argue that at no time in the history of the nation was the country as prosperous as it was at that time, in spite of the 'crime of 1873" He submitted that these statistics were more applicable to the conditions under discussion than those of Mr Sauerbeck, quoted by Mir. Harvey on Thursday as Mir. Sauerbccli's figures were made from prices in England.
 Mr. Harvey, Tn turn, took up the matter of the prices of wheat for se- ries of years, in reply to Mir. Horr's statement on Thursday that the farmer had received as much for his product in gold as he had received before silver was demonetized. For answer he quoted the prices from year to year. Mir. Harvey proceeded by saying that the proper index of prices was to measure them in articles of international uses. Tables made up by gold men even, on these articles, showed that they were lower than in 1850. Referring to Mir. Horr's argument touching the measure of value in human toil, Mir. Harvey quoted from an article by Mir. Horr in a paper in reply to correspondent suggesting the making of so much work the equivalent of dollar. Mir. Horr de- clared the proposition absurd and con- fusing.
 Mir. Harvey denied Mir. Horr's asser- tion that falling prices were the re- suits of improved facilities. Mir. Harvey said: Tt is the supply pro- duced and the demand for it that regu- lates the price of such products. Sup pose widow, owning farm receives the voluntary assistance of her neighbors to raise and harvest her wheat crop, will her wheat be worth any less than, the price fixed by the quantity of wheat in existence known to the traders, and the estimat. ed demand for it? If all the corn crop in the United States were destroyed except the crop in Iowa, would the cost of production or the relative sup ply and demand for corn? The cost of the product has nothing to do with it. A man may produce an ounce of gold for 10 cents that is worth SEQ The fact that it cost him 10 cents does not make it worth less than SEQ"
 Mir. Horr: "Mr Harvey is mystitied because he takes it for granted that the business of country entirely de- bends upon the amount per capita of the circulating medium. He insists that if you shrink that you ruin the business in the country. There are large number of men who believe that doctrine, but no more transparent humbug was ever taught the people of this or any other country. Money is plethora in this country to-day. There are hun dreds of millions of dollars lying idle, simply because there is nobody to use it. Did you know that? Why, my friend, Harvey, and all of you men who think that way as usual get the cart before the horse. It is not an abundance of money that makes business active; it is business that makes money active in this world of ours. And until you can comprehend that point, Broth CT Harvey, you will never understand this financial question at all. The ratio of money to the population proves nothing. What we need in the United States is gool wages for work, steady employment for our men, and we have mess we are doing.
 Speaking of organized labor" Mr. Harvey said, organization sustains wages for those actually employed while engaged at work, but when you average the wages by including the unemployed, and include the expense and time lost, it does not do so. Make the calculation this way, and you will find that the gold basis has measured itself in wages with mathematic cal ac curacy."
 Speaking of tenancy, Mir. Harvey said: Twenty million acres of land in the United States to-day is owned by English titled nobility, and the Eng fish tenancy has to that extent been l already introduced into this country. In the state of Illinois there is a county by the name of Logan, that has county seat by the name Lincoln, and you can drive for miles through that county on your way to that coun- ty seat, and have on both sides of you Lord Scully's possessions, with Irish matched cottages over the land"
 Mir. Horr: 'I have travelled exten. sively, very extensively. through thir- ty-one states of this union, and I never yet saw single farm, nor had my at tention called to one, that was owned by people living outside of the United States. There are some, but they are few"
 They Ate Dressed Beef.
 CLINTON, Ia., July 29-About forty people were poisoned by eating dressed beef Saturday at Thompson, north oi here. George Griswold had twenty. | C., I.