The representative. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1893-1901, 1895-07-24
:. Bliss, o. b. Gum ad E. B. Starr.


yesterday upon the condition Of the world
up to the discovery of America in 1892.
He read that statement without it's hav-
ing been called out at all by me, as had
not attacked that part Of his book. But
he made such an elaborate effort to show
the condition of things in the world from
14OO to 1880. that I have taken a little
pains to find out whether there is any
truth in the representations that he
makes, and find that history leaves him
In as bad a condition in this regard as 1t
does in regard to the bulk of the state
ments in Coins financial school,"
Continuing. Mr.. Horn quoted Prof.
Thorold Rogers, Hallam, Leber, Nautilus,
Hynoman and others, to show that the
lot Of the millions in Europe was rising
before 1892 and that Of the feudal aris-
tocracy, with it's tyranny, was crumb-
ling to fall"
Mr.. Horn said: Mr. Harvey and his
free silver friends identify prosperity
and the progress of man with the lot of
the feudal nobility of Europe and not
with that of the toilers. Rogers, as well
as Hallam, speaks Of the gradual ele-
walton of the people themselves, as op-
posed to the small number of the rich
and the noble Later 1 shall show that
In his treatment of the present as Of the
past Mr.. Harvey stands as the exponent
of the rich and not of the toilers, whose
welfare should be first considered by the
legislation of the state"
Mr. Harvey replied: when I volun-
teered to explain the preface to the
School yesterday which had been at
tackled, because gold standard papers all
over the United States had charged that
1t was forgery, that no such quotation
as was there used was ever made from
the report of any monetary commission
or any other official document, 1 read
from the report Of the United States
monetary commission of 1878, not for the
purpose Of entering into an argument
on political economy Of the year 14O0 to
1900, but simply to show that all of my
friends from New York and elsewhere,
who had accused me Of forgery, were
wrong. Now, I am not going to argue
with Mr.. Horr that the monetary COM
mission did not know what they were
talking about. He shall not get me at
any point in this debate to divert my
mind from the regular agument and log
lcal arrangement of the debate.
Then a man could put together words
that should convince an minimizing
workingman that he was better off today
by far than he was in 1872, and who can
convince a farmer that he is getting
higher prices now than he was in 1872,
would expect him to convince a crowd
who are not studying history, that prices
rose during the dark ages at the very
time that they were falling, and that
laboring men were faring well at the very
time when they were working as serfs
of the lords of Europe.
DIR. Smith, an able historian, whose
work 1 put into Mr.. Horr's hands yes
terday, confirms all that there Is in that
monetary commission. Page III gives
you the table of the rise of prices that
contradicts everything that Mr.. Horn has
said here. Now 7 prOcpQ6
Thus far we have considered two
questions, gold and silver as the money
of the constitution, and the unit Of value
In our monetary system fixed by the franz
ers of the constitution and that what ex-
listed as our monetary unit from 1892 tn
1873. The debate is of value thus far in
eliminating the doubt that has existed
on these two points in the minds of the
people-a doubt that has been produced
by misrepresentation made by those
advocating the gold standard A read
ing Of the debate thus far settles these
two questions in favor of the book we
are discussing
Mr.. Horr-The matter we were talking
about when we closed last night was the
question whether the trainers of the bill
of 1892 intended to esta blish two meas
ures Of value. Mr.. Harvey criticised
Judge Vincent for having decided that
case In his remarks yesterday but very
tamely in comparison with the state
ments which he made about him in print
soon after he made the decision. He even
called him dishonest in that criticism.
Now, Judge Vincent Is a reputable cit.
izen. I take it, of Chicago. Some private
individuals submitted a question to him,
and he decided it as he honestly believed
was right and there is this peculiarity
about it, it is right. Gaughter.) Here
is what Judge Vincent decided TT is
undoubtedly true that the milled dollar.
hon
point, and the number of grains to COM
pose gold dollar was ascertained by d.
viding the number of grains in the silver
dollar by Is. But this does not alter the
fact that the units were expressed in gold
and silver. On the contrary, it seems to
show that both were made units of value.
The word unit was employed as the
equivalent of dollar, and the dollar was
to consist of either one of two different
things, one-tenth part Of 24711 grains of
gold or Btu grains Of silver, Just as equal
values may be embodied IN given weights
Of any two given commodities, such as
wheat and corn. A unit of value is the
unit in which values are expressed. The
values both of gold and silver are ex-
pressed in the act Of 1894, so we have two
units of value. If both had not been so
expressed, we could not have had BIZ
metallism."
Mr.. Horn also quoted ex-Director of the
Mint Leech, that the laws authorized
both a gold dollar unit and a silver dol
lar unit, different from each other in in
trinsic value. That was the reason he
Neech) proposed the law of 1873.
Mr.. Harvey-Yesterday, at the close. I
had quoted as authority for silver being
the unit, the statute itself, the utter
ances of Secretary Gallatin, a decision by
Chief Justice Chase, of the supreme
court of the United States, and other nu-
merous authorities, including Roswell G.
Of VnWlr. \
mitted that the silver dollar was the unit
of value, and the record of yesterday
shows that. Now, in view of this at
tempt to try to twist something back into
the discussion by which we are to believe
him as saying one thing yesterday and
something else today, leave him to such
fate as the readers of this debate think
is proper (Applause) In his constant
attempt to try to discuss bimetallism,
the relation of silver and gold. before we
get to that which is in the second chap
ter of the School" he is trying to mix
will see that neither Mr. Horn nor Judge
Vincent knows what bimetallism is, and
many things that he is now mixing on us
will then be cleared and Mr.. Horn will
be even as babe. (ApplauseD We
agreed to take up the subject of de-
debate, and having waited for him to be-
gin, and he not beginning, I now will
start. (Applause.)
Mr.. Horr-I beg pardon, you misquote
me. I stated last night that I had not
got through with the unit of value, that
I had some other things to submit in sc
many words, and we did not agree tc
take up any one subject at any particu-
lar session, only that we would take them
in certain order and let them run until
we had finished them.
Mr.. Harvey-And the order was that
the crime of 1873, as we call it, came next
after the discussion of the unit.
Mr. Horr-I am not through with that
yet
Mr. Harvey-We11, I am, and will &C
on. daughter.) Words are our ammu-
milton In, this daha fo 60 n0n ,uordS oniace