The Topeka state journal. [volume] (Topeka, Kansas) 1892-1980, 1895-07-19
CLOSE Mitigating.
The Harvey-Horr Debate Shows
Rapid Firing.
Mr.. Harvey Explains the Crime
of 1873"
MR.. HORR DEFENDS.
Denies There Was Any Cor
ruption Connected With It.

CHICAGO, July 19.-The debaters in the
Harvey Horr controversy got down to
close mitigating yesterday and at times
the remarks became personal The al
lusiOns were never anything more than
good humored, however, and the friend
illness of the debate was in no way
marred. Mr. Horn opened up the sharp
work right at the start. He said his OPP
ponent stated: 'Mr. Horn has only taught
in this debate proposition that is in the
interest of every money lender in the
world to advocate, and he is here adj
vocating it."
81 say to my opponent now I am not
a money lender, I have not a dollars
interest in any banking institution or
American corporation or any other cor
porations on the face of the earth. 1
have spent my entire life in working for
living; all the early part of that life
was spent in hard work on d small farm:
commenced working for myself at ten
dollars month; there is hardly any kind
of hard manual labor in which have not
at some time in my life engaged, cOnse-
quently my sympathies are with the peO-
pie who toll 1 never meet a man dig
ging in a trench but that feel like tax
bitches for a living. l never meet
brakeman or baggageman without feel
ing kindly towards him, because for
months l was brakeman on freight
train night and day and my first promo
ton to baggagemaster was one of the
proudest moments of my life. l came
into this debate for the purpose of de-
Tending the interests as my friend will
| learn before l finish-it, of the men who
| live nv hoDosf toll
81 do not think it is anything against a
man if he ever becomes a stockholder of
a national bank. l am informed, Brother
Harvey, that your father is fortunate
enough to own stock in the Kanawha
National bank. Am 1 right about that?"
Mr.. Harvey: mo, sir, he does not"
Mr.. Horr: ''Did he ever?"
MIR. Harvey: Never did"
Mr.. Horn: "Well, it would not hurt
him if he had, would it?''
Mr. Harvey: No, sir"
Mr.. Horr: HE could own stock in the
bank and still keep honest, couldn't he?"
Mr. Harvey: eyes"
Mr.. Horn: ga man can be successful
in life without creating in me any spirit
OF envy. have learned that men who
accumulate money and invest it in build
ing up great industries for the benefit of
the people who earn wages bless this ma
ton, and any system which Injuries them
necessarily Injuries the people who live
| by daily toll. Consequently l am
! just as Jealous in my efforts to
prevent financial disaster to the
business men of this nation as
am to see to it that the wages of the
| workingmen are not cut in two by using
a debased aud deprecated measure of
values. (Applause) When you divide
the unit of measure-the value of it
into two pieces and make them take the
half for the whole, you have injured
them in way that is beyond compute =
ton.
Mr.. Harvey: 81 did not mean to criti-
else Mir Horn personally. That he was
an advocate of a pernicious principle
! does not mean that AIr. Horr himself was
a bad man. This great question is not
going to be decided by the American
| people by any advocate parading him
self before them as having been a horny
listed working man at one time. Long
continued applause) l do not object to
! Mr.. Horn giving the evolution of his
| life. l do think it was little unfair to
have omitted in that evolution that he
finally became bank president l do
not deny that Mr. Horr and numerous
selfish hank presidents have at one time
been tillers of the soil"
Mr.. Horr: SIN reference to nv hav-
not because l was ashamed Of it. 1t is
true that l had at one time saved what
in some places-not in this city-we
would call competency, and l was a
president of a national bank. In the
crash of 1878 1 went down. What l had
saved wassswept from under me- My po-
sition as president of the bank I resign
ed; but did not steal any money of the
bank. not dollar. l went into the world
/ in Ia nd TO
and while putting in logs in the northern
part of Michigan l was nominated for
congress, and sent there, served six years
OF my life, and did the hardest work
ever did during those six years. I came
out of congress just as poor as I went in.
L could not come out any poorer. 1t was
an impossibility. IaughteI) Mr.. Har-
vey is facetiOus because l have stated
that the money question has given me
the headache (Laughter( did state
that; but mark you, it was the study of
the question which made my head ache,
not writing such stuff as is in this book.
That would not give any man the head
ache" IaughterE
Mr.. Horn continued to argue that the
act of 1878 was prepared after submit
ting the question to large number of
experts all over the country. owe had
never had revision of the mint laws for
d nuRber of years and the men in charge
OF the mint thought that the time had
come when something should be done.
Among the men consulted on the cues
ton were Mr.. Boutwell,, the secretary of
the treasury; Mr.. Knox, deputy comp
troller of the treasury: 81r Linderman,
director of the mint; Dir. Parson, super
intendent of the mint at Philadelphia.
My friend here intinates that this law
must have been wicked because it was
hitched- on to the revision of the mint
laws. Why, that is where it belonged
That was the place to find it. The bill
with the correspondence was submitted
to congress in the most complete form
and with an elaborate report from Mr.,
Knox, which explained all its provis-
ions.
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