The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1895-08-03
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A JURORS STATEMENT.
MR. GOCLDING GIyES SOME REA-
SONS FOR the vERDICF
Wilson Abernathy's Testimony Interrupt
ed by His wife-winking Was a Phys
ical Infirmify OF Mr.. Pettus.

GREEN BAY. VA, Aug. Especial
l had quite lengthy interview yesterday
with MIR. Il. A. Gouiding. who Is post
master and In the mercantile business
| at Nutbush. Lunenburg county. la regard
| TO the Pollard murder case.
1t will be remembered that Juror
Goulding was taken very sick while sit
! ting on the Alternately case, and had 10
| be taken from the hotel To the court
room on a stretcher to render verdict.
The jury was composed OF eight white
and four colored men. Mr.. Goulding
stated that the prisoner was undoubtedly
guilty and HIS mind was fully convinced
OF this fact before he left the jury-Dox.
but in order to ascertain the views OF
the other jurors, he Jokingly remarked
that he did not think her guilty, and at
once one OF the juros spoke up. saying
she was evidently guilty. The verdict
would have been reached I'm less than live
minutes, but for one OF the coiord men.
Junus Bagley, who wayered In his de-
cision. This caused disagreement OF
the jury. They were held over until
the next morning. at which time Bagley
said he was convinced of her guilt.
Mr.. Gouilding said that when he was
carried into the courtroom on stretch
er, Judge Orgain asked him II he was
conscious OF what he was doing. lie re-
piled that he certainly was.
asked how much credence the jury
had given 10 Marable's statement
Mr.. Goulding said: Just so much as
they considered true"
To a direct question as To what other
evidence corroDOrating Marable's state
ment influenced the jury In this matt n.
he replied that there was a great deal.
one fact OF which the public has no.
been fully apprised, he said, is that wien
Wilson Abernathy, the husband OF Mary
Abernathy gave In his testimony hc
stated that on the evening OF the murder
his wife informed him that Mr.. Pollard
had sold Mr.. Clements sCme corn. At
this point he was abruptly interrupted by
his wife, who positively denied the state
ment Wilson still chung TO II. but be-
ing interrupted by his wife, did not finish
what he intended telling
DENIED BLING AT MR. PoLLARD's.
Mr. Gouding stated that Mary Abcr-
nathy had previously denied knowing any
thing about Mr. Clements being with Mr..
Pollard that evening
Among other facts, he stated that on
Mary Aternathys retnn TO her hone ON
the evening of the murder her little child
remarked Mamma, y2u look hk' you
have been fighting" When arrested the
following Tuesday she WISHED To knox
OF Mrs. Clements N the matter would
be hushed up n the money was returned:
Mr.. Goulding stated that these facts had
a very strong influence On the jury.
| informed Mr.. Goul iinS that two Of
these facts had been brought forward a
rumbcr Of times before, and as there
were a great many others connected with
it, | wished TO know what other evidence
he could bring TO lisht. He replied tAat
he could not remember anything else.
/ read him Mr. POllagd's statement in
The Times. AMI also showed him the
plat and asked him II he thought
white man was connected with this muir
nj n h..
changing his first opinion. He said MS
opiniJL was not changed, and he ridicul"d
the idea of a white man having been iin-
pli, atsd, and he still believes Mary AD,r-
nathy TO be the instigdtor ana rinslFaher
I'm the horrible murder.
Mr.. Goulding said he had served on
great many iuries, but never before nhn
he been so closely watched ana suaruen,
and during tho entire time the jury was
I'm charge Of two deputy sherins. Ih'rc-
fore. the charge that the jury was az
lowed to go az random was ials'hood.
IL. thought that Judge organ and com.
rnonwaalth's Attorney Neblett did all
In their power to give the prisoner fair
and impartial trl.l and the full beneht
Of every possible doubt. ~ -.
In regard to the alleged wlnking OF
Mr. Pettus. MIR. Goulding said nc was
personally acquainted with Mr. fettus'
and that a more whole sOulei, public-
spirited. and liberal gentleman couin no,
be found that there was no sshlh'"hc"
Whatever dttdtUtl 10 iii' - 49, -
versation he had often seen hin wlnklns
or nodding his head, ana that some un'
previous 10 the trial he saw MIN IN CON
versation with another man on the cour'
green. and he 0ouldin,) r. marked INA,
Pettus reminded him OF didapper.
pRoFrssoR KusIAs's VIEWS.
while AZ Nutbush. ! met with Professor
Russian. of Hollins Institute, who mas
boen a citizen OF Lunenburg county Tor
the past ten years ...e,,
Professor kusian expressed nlfns"t
very freely IN regard 10 the way thc
people OF Lunenburg county have Deei
treated by the military and CITIZENS OF
Richmond and II IL was "A pre)udgeh de-
Of the press 20 accept mere
opinions not based upon facts, ana 10 VIZ
lifv and accuse the people OF sunehbhIs
county Of not being law abiding cluIehS'
he considered II an outrage.
IL Is "A fact that, ten years ago, lof
eighteen months there was not prisoner
i'm the county jail, that bun'rbuis was
the first county in the state 10 20 dry.
He also stated that he Was one of tnc
first to ask for the aid OF the military.
the sheriff that he wished 10 see
Justice done 10 the state OF Virginia
that he lCardOza), as shcrlr, was pro.
rector Of every citizen OF the county, ana
tbe fact that the citizens asked for the
military proved them TO be- loyal and law
abiding people, that In lunenburB county
there had never yet occurred a lynchins.
He warned the Court OF Appeals, un-
less new developments occurred, 10 80
slowly In granting new trial III tney
were hastv and new trial was granted,
The very basis on which our laws we're
formed would be broken. and the future
on Iunenburg county would evicenA ps
af.Ns.