The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1895-03-16

tive committee to fix the number Of
members of the legislature.
Roberts-Should they not fix the
minimum number and let the appor-
proper districts?
Eldredge answered no. The question
concerned the sovereign voice of the
people. They should speak. He wanted
to hear their voice, and in looking at
the makeup Of the committees, had
decided that the committee on appor-
tionment could represent them better.
Richards (sarcastically)-Will the
gentleman please point out this superb
GRITTY?
Eldredge said it lay in the fact that
there were twenty-siX members on
the apportionment committee, one
from each county. They came as near
as possible to the people.
Snow-Will the gentleman please al
low me to answer that question. The
legislative committee will not represent
the people. because Snow is the only
member of it who comes from the re-
gion south of Utah county.
Cannon Heard From.
Cannon said it was better to be right
than to follow bad precedents. He de-
MED sovereign people were better rep
resented on the apportionment COM
or people?" he asked.
ldredge-What is a county?
Cannon-A certain amount of land,
sometimes sparsely settled, sometimes
thickly populated. He asked justice
for the people, not for acres of land.
1t was a question of human rights,
not wastes of sand. wild mountains
and stretches of water. 1t was ques-
ton of the number of people, not the
~ Of laro a
Howard said the apportionment COM
mittee did not want to do any injus-
tice. 1t would increase the number OF
the committee if necessary. Every
county should be represented in the
committee and the legislature.
Richards Warns EIdredge.
Richards in reply to Eldredge, said
that he did not believe that one man
is any nearer the people than any
other The committee was not the
representative of the people. 1t has
the final determination of the question.
Propriety would dictate that the mat
ter be referred to the legislative COM
mittee.
Evans Replies.
Evans. of Weber, said he admitted
Richards proposition, but commit
tees recommendation would have
ton. He said this was the
same question as that which con-
fronted the British parliament and the
American colonies and Cannon had
used the answer of the parliament.
The same condition was at hand as
that which came up when the 1nsu-
tuition of the United States was
drafted and the smaller states oe-
manded recognition. He believed one
house should be organized by counties,
the other by population.
Larsen, of Sanpete, was against
representation of the smaller counnes
on the same basis as the larger ones.
He wanted the subject to go to the
committee on legislation.
Squires started an elaborate argu-
ment on the question of population
controlling the number of representa-
tives and the necessity &c referring the
matter to the legislative committee.
He had gone back TO the revolution
when he was interrupted by Eldredge.
1.-The gentleman is not speaking to
the question: he said.
Squires-Yes 1 am. Mr.. Evans wan
dered clear over to England in his
speech. Oaughter)
The previous question was called and
the vote put.
On the roll call the following voted
aye: Allen, Anderson, Barnes, Boyer,
Brandley, Buys, Call, Chidester, Chris
Hansen. Clark. Coray, Corfman. Crane,
Greer, Cunningham, Driver. Eldredge,
Evans of Weber, Evans, OF Utah,
Halliday, Heyborne, Howard, Hughes,
WINS, johnson. Jolly. Kiesel, Kimball,
of Salt Lake, Lowe. Peter, Maeser,
Miller, Murdoch, Of Wasatch. Nebeker,
Page, Peters. Peterson, of Grand,
Kicks, Robertson, Robinson. of Kane,
Robinson, of Wayne, Ryan. Snow,
Spencer, Thorne Thurman-53
The noes were as follows: Bowdle,
Button. Cannon, Eichnor, Emery.
Engberg, Goodwin, Green, Haynes,
James, Kerr, Lambert, Larsors L.,
Lewis. Low. OF Cache. Lund, Maloney,
Vaughan, Morris Moritz. Murdoch. of
Beaver. Murdoch, of Summit, Part
Richards, Roberts. Sharp, Shurtliff,
Squires, Slower, Symons. Thompson,
Van Horne, Varian, Whitney, Williams
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After the vote Goodwin said he had
a thing to say. He had heard that
during his absence the convention. IN
what he considered a moment of nilar
ity, had referred the minutes TO the
committee on revision. He asked for
reconsideration.
Squires moved to reconsider.
Goodwin Roasts the Clerks.
Goodwin then gave the clerks a warm
five minutes. He said the thing re-
minded him of the story of the old
Scotch lord who was selling a piece Of
land and was called upon to read the
deed before he signed it. "Read it,
he calculated in surprise. Dye tsk
me for a bombed clerk?" He wanted
to know if the convention took the
committee for clerks. 1t was not their
duty to look after such things. 1t was
the duty of the clerk. He is paid 80
per cent. more than any member, and
If he cannot do the work he should
hire someone to do it for him or give
up his place to some one else. 1t was
his plain duty.
Whitney, of Salt Lake, said he saw
eye to eye with Goodwin on this
proposition He did not think any of
the members of the committe desired
to give up their places as members
and become minute clerks. The better
way to have done would have been to
have elected proper clerk i'm the first
place He thought the conve ton
would do well right then to proceed to
the election of minute clerk right
then.
RECONSTRUCTED.
The vote was reconsidered and Kicks
moved to adjourn.
Cannon-Please withhold that until I
can place something before the house.