The Irish standard., 1895-06-08
that he would not have written it had
he Thought itaAWnilId be delivered.

some for use, ahoLltS "a score Lelllng OF &lAe &lAe
woodnaan whose fame as a tree feAer
has travelled through out the globe. i. MI MI
MIR. Gladstone was at. home. He was t
! standing by a small, ound table within
| a few feet of the desk at which ne mas
penned many a mora ntous document q
state He5advanced a step or two, With
a suggestion Of feebleness in his limbs;
| bnS with the stamp of lsingliness IN MS
! mien. ssAmericans are always welcome
in England . he$said, "and Mr.. Justin
| McCarthy's friendsSare particularly Y wei
come The courtesy was fttingly %ac-
knowledged. Their Mr.. Gladstone
pointed to a seat near the little round
table, A second close by he took him-
self i45X &z7s {5
"The impression seems to prevail in
London, Mr.. Gladstone, that the tories
are gaining grounds: that they are likely
! to win at the general election IT also
seems to be regarded as certain+that the
Issue on which thestories hope to hght
and win is the Irish8policy OF the govern
ment, or, more directly, your home rnle
bill Americans interested In English
politics and friends of Ireland interested
as such in the outcome would like to
get your views on the situation. ,,@4
[ 81 never give interviews, sir. =. This
with q polite firmness that seemed cruel
ly crushing. The air Of reserve and
flrmness vanished like mist on a May
morning. There was a boyish light in
the big brown eyes, and the glow OF q
flower in the sunshine was o'd lthe
! majestic face. Mr.. Gladstone was fac
inga window which looks into the lit
tie garden chat adjoins the library The
L Ia o1x7 -: "a ~
the window. Like little robbin chirp-
ing greeting and perched on window
sill was. Dorothy Drew. She kissed
! like q, bird There was inspiration in
| the incident for q, little dissertation on
domestic felicity. There was an infinite
wealth OF tenderness In the way the bell
tones uttered the words: Dear little
| Dorothy
+ ss"Ah; no,,'', said Mr.. Gladstone in gen
tier tones than he had previously de-
clined, 'tro one needs. 10 be told on the
Irish question. Why with all your
Irish blood-for I understand from MIR.
Mccarthy you are Irish American am
a better home ruler than YOU.
A merry twinkle accompanied this.
| He continued more feelingly and more
earnestly: u q
What I have just said applies to you
| or any other irish home ruler. An
Irishnan is a home ruler because Of his
| love for his country. / am one because
Of the justice of the Irish cause in the
first place and next because Of my h1-
initiation as an Englishman Of the
wrongs on Ireland" S #
LIT would be interesting to know, Mr..
| Gladstone, what is to be the outcome of
the present. situations L have alreadySse-
cured for the paper represent written
statements from disappointment men. in
the contending Irish parties. These will
ibeg published In the paper i represent
and a. statement from you accompanying
then. swould be Of exceptional interest,"
After a long pause Mr.. Gladstone said:
ssIll say this. that the Britich electors
| have been and aresbeing3 beWildered by
I the Irish strife. I'll say further that the
most hopeful source of settlement astre-
CARDS ending the unfortunate contention
| is among American friends Of Ireland.
| This brings to my mind that Mr.. De
| PWee----'''. -a ;s yt3sEs; E; e. XIX J.
.Mr. Depew, you mean. Mr.. clad
stone?'' NJ, ss3. .,
s.Depew. The New York orator? De
PWee-I thought it was, De Pwee AT
any rate, he told me that, there weresnot
| 10 percent Of the entire voting popula-
tion of the United States out of sym
pathy with Irelands struggle for her
| rights. In view OF this appears to me
4 that out Of such asyast sea. of sympa thetic
interest there ought to arise some hope.
some effort ought to come to end the de-
plorable, the unintellig gible, scism that
exists" @ ..s .5..5 sI5s5
.Supposing no such settlement can be
effected, Mr.. Gladstone, what effect will
the continuance Of the discussion, have
on the English parties?" #5. Fl .@.. u I
English politicians will weigh, dissect,
discuss and analyze this response when
it reaches them: Some talk Of the tories
and some kind Of a home rule measure.
What say is--+'' Z A long pause and a re-
fective look through the window at
which little Robin Dorothy had appear
ed. After about a minute What / say
is, I'll tell the Tories to go ahead, with
my blessing, and I'll tell them any sup
port I can give I'll render in favor oil
home rule, no matter by whom tt is
! fathered." :" "$ fa Al
t""Then you think the Tories are con-
lsidering a home rule project q q s355s II
Il don't know that ought tobnt
yes, the liberia al-unionists are the ones
who are most bitterly opposed to home
rule in any form, in every form. They
are the men who are most viciously
most uncompromisipgly opposed to It. II
a the Tories fail to adopt some form so1
home rule, 1t will be because Of the lib
eral l-unionists. For the Tories Ito take
j up our programme and make their oWn
j Of it would not be such q surprise to any
Zone acquainted with modern Eng glish po.
/ litical history. To me particularly, q
partic icipants in Or an observer of many
reform movements during a long period
1 it is never strange @or surprising to see
i the tories steal our measures and make
their own OF them. Oh, yes, the liberal
unionists are the ness who are mostSun-
4 compromisingly ", most bitterly opposed
i to home rule. .' si iS sssS8
Mr. Gladstone may be genuinely hard
! OF hearing or It may be only diplomatic
1 deafness. AT any rate he was as silent
as ifao-par g-sastW glolahav, ritnhetah
as "a tombstone and as unra a,ponsiYe III
4 look OF gesture in regard TO 1nanY ques-
j tions that were put to him
i At the close Of the interview proper
] the writer, In thanking Mr. Gladstonf
for the intefvieW, expressed his regret
THAT he could not. rake with him SONS
i iunmistakeable CORE oboratfen OF the In
Il ferYiew. With great good nature heap
j preached his desk and laughingly wrote
his name and the d ate OF the Yisit, May
] 81, 1885. across a picture Of himself and
4 his little darling, DorDthy Drew ssss.s
The Eondo1 Press Association mar
i was ia outslde at his .departlr Hs
u went hack to Lyondon Without 5x'prl