The Hawaiian star. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu]) 1893-1912, 1894-01-04

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them. and il they gave sufficient rea.
son why he should be deposed they
should do it. Neumann told me so him
self.
q. What reason do you suppose they
had for the attacks on Wilson?
A. lie was in their way.
q. In their way in what thing Do
you imagine that there was any annexa-
ton movement in the minds of the Re
form party
A. individuals in the party were F.
always pronounced Annexationists. |
Hartwell was. Mr.. Green was; Mr.. |
Thurston-I won't say that of Thurstos. !
The only inside view got as to his feel |
ings was that he remarked to me one day |
that he believed in bringing things to a
smash.
Q. How long ago was that ?
A. During the session of the Legis
lature. 1t was at a meeting of the
company we were in. He said, 81 be-
lieve in bringing things to a smash and
then we will rebuild"
Q. What is your Interpretation of all
that turning out of cabinets and putting
in of cabnetsG Did it illustrate that
smashing.up policy i
A. Thurston was ringleader in all
that work and / believe it was to that
end.
Q. How in point of intelligence did
the Wilcox cabinet compare with the
/ Macfarlane cabinet, take them as
whole?
A. In point of intelligence there was
not much difference. In the matter of
having the confidence of men of wealth
the Jones. Wilcox cabinet was undoubt-
eddy the superior.
Q. What is the character of Mr..
Samuel Parker as to truthfulness?
A. | have never heard it questioned.
He is frank. open sort of person, and
such persons are not liars as rule.
G. Does he circulate in the best
society in Honolulu he and his family !?
A, Yes, they can circulate wherever
they want to.
q. He and his wife are both half
castesI
A. They are.
Q. What is Mr.. Peterson's character
as to truthfulness
A. would always accept his stat, :
ments.
Q. Is that generally true here?
A. That [ cannot tell you.
.. Do you know his general reputa-
ton for truth and veracity
A. think | do.
y. FROM That character would you
believe him on oath?
A. would.
Q. Do you regard him as truthful
man
A. Yes, sir.
g. Do you know the general reputa-
ton of Cornwell as to truth and We
racity?
A. | have never heard it questioned.
Q. From that reputation would you
believe him on his oath?
A. Certainly.
.. How about Mr.. Colburn from
your general knowledge of his reputa-
ton for truth and veracity, would you
believe him on his oath?
A. He has the reputation of being
sharp in business practices. | am loath
to say | would not take his word under
oath.
Q. Has it been the practice of any
foreign nation or nations to land troops
here in case of disturbance?
A. never saw it done except on the
part of American forces. When Kala-
kaua was put ON the throne both
the English and American forces were
landed Admiral Skerrett was the cap
tain of the Portsmouth.
Q. What effect was produced on the
landing of American marines on the 18th
of January, 1893?
A. The effect was to intimidate
them.
Q. Was that intimidation helpful to
the movers in the revolution
A. Most c, rtainly.
q. Could they have succeeded with
out the impression that they were
backed by the United States forces?
A. They would not have undertaken
it without. l feel sure of that.
G. What was the condition at that
time in the city as to peacefulness?
A. 1t was the most peaceful, law
abiding community you would see any
where.
.. The stores open as usual
A. Yes. They closed the stores on
the 10th so as to let everybody attend
the mass meeting.
O. Were women and children going
about in the streets as usual?
A. Yes.
Q. Did the people go back to their
, stores after the mass meeting
A. | think not. 1t was late in the
afternoon.
O. Was it on account of the latsness
of the hour that they did not go back to
their stores?
A. Yes; that was the only reason.
, There was no disorder. Women and
children on the street.
Q. The next morning, the morning
of the 18th, were people going about as
, usual?
! A. saw no difference. Our place
opened up and think all the rest of the
places on Queen street opened up.
Q. Sometime during the day of the
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eminent building;
+ A. Yes, sir.
.. What time in the day was that
A. About O'Clock, think. dine
al half-past 5, and during dinner | was
rung up and went down to the Govern
ment building with Mr.. Mehrtens, who
came for me.
Q. Were you sent for by the parties
in this new movement
A. do not know that was taken
, by MehItens right to the Government
building.
Q. And brought into presence OF
whom
A. The Provisional Government
Q. Please state what occurred there I
A. There was deal of excitement.
e ] asked why | had been sent for l dc
$ not know who answered me. | was
told committee was going over to the
Queen-that ! was to go with that COM
D mittee. went with the committee.
Q. They didn't ask you to go, just
told you you were to go?
A, | was told that there was a com,
mittee to be sent to the Queen and was
e wanted to go.
3 .. For what purpose
g A. To state to her that the Provi
sional Government had been formed and
that she was deposed, and to assist her
in making any protest she might want
) TO make.
! Q. Did you go?
, A. Yes.
Q. Please state what occurred?
A. We went into the blue room. Her
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