The representative. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1893-1901, 1894-05-09

stanoe Except the gas blk = ~ whAIiiri
. somebody made out false VOUCHERS
covering things not intended to be de-
Inverted to the treasury dabartrhent? t4si,
Answer. A good fnaty insta11re g
ofsthe Kind We paid voAehefs for flowers
that never came to the department = -
for the Use Of the secrettry; So if tie
secretary wanted flowers foft his use he
would get them and they Would be paid for
49,, !, out ,, Of the appropriation for ice,
Question. What sort Of a voucher would
you make out in that Case?
Answer. They would be described as
plants for the garden. ;"
Question. Do you know 81 any case
where that was done? y
Answer. A great many.
QUESTION. Where We're the flowers sent
Answer They would generally be sent
to the Secretarys house, or for his use.
Question. And they were paid for out of
the contingent fund of the department?
Answer. Yes, sir.
Question. Was it a matter Of public
notofiety?
Answer Not a matter of public notori-
ety. See page so.
Question. Now, did you find that custom
existing when you came in as custodian,
OF furnishing sugar and lemons and chang
Ing them as candles?
Answer. There is no record of any such
custom or practice. = I'D
Question. When did the practice first be-
gin under your administration?
Answer. l think it was the time Mr..
Sherman was secretary. =
Question. The lemons and the sugar were
delivered but you covered them in as cam
dies?
Answer. I do not know that they were
always paid for as candles, they may have
matches.
/, Question. And paid for out of the con-
tingent appropriations?
Answer. Out Of the appropriation for
miscellaneous Items ="
See pages lis and 116. ,.a'
Question. Who bought that ''deodorized''
or ''reodorized'' alcohol, and for what pur-
pose it bought, SO gallons? 0s
i Answer. There had been a prac-
tice in the department to- purchase
when it was wanted small amount of
bay rum, for the use of the secretary 8
office, in his bath room.
See page 1850.
Question. What about some twenty or
thirty dollars worth of violet water that
was purchased of Z. D. Gilman and billed
under different name?
Answer. = l asked Mr.. Hatch what
he did that for. He said they wanted it up
stairs in the Secretary's office. I asked him
Il
down from the Secretary's office and
wanted something of that kind, and he had
taken that in place of the soap.
See pages 1855, 1855, 1857 and 1158.
Question. Do you think that Mr.. Sher-
man ever knew that any work was being
done on his house and paid for out of the
treasury, or even supposed it was being
done?
Answer I do not think 1 could prove
that
Question DO you think that he did your.
self?
Answer Yes, sir. do think so.
See pages 4S1, 49, 4S5 and 4S6. William
Paul Brown testifies: q
Question l want to ask yot
whether you ever worked in the cabine
shop of the treasury department?
Answer. l did. IT.
Question You did work for Mr.. Sherman
during this time-that IS, in 1878 and 1879?
Answer l did. II x
Question What wasi your rule about re
porting these items of labof2i
Answer When I would do this work
would ask Mr.. Hessler hsWhat will charge
this tor and he would tell me what to
charge it to- - j.
Question What busl7ess was it of yours
whether that was charged to Mr. Sherman
himself or to any department. of the treas
ury?
Answer. I presumed by his conversation
that he did not want Mr. sherman's nam'
in it.
Question What conversation?
| Answer Conversation that passed be
tween me and Mr.. Eessler on the 18th
| when we were going out to fit those doors
- The first conversation was: Mr.
| Brown, I want you to get your tools ant
come with me-" We started out together
he said to me: Mr.. Brown, this thing has
| got to be very quiet, because if it got out j
would ruin me and Mr.. Sherman" On thes
| grounds of course, l had to ask him Wha
| | should charge this work to-
See pages 500 and sol.
Question You had, / suppose, no knowl
edge or belief that Mr.. Sherman knew any
thing about it?
Answer. Oh! he must have known it.
Question. Why must he have known 1t!
Answer Oh, my gracious! if you ownet
house and SO much repairing was done
doing it.
Question Hessler is directly under Pit
ney, is he not?
Answer I think he is.
Question. And you are under Hessler? !
Answer. Yes, sir.
See pages lit, ITS and 1179. Pitney testi
fees:
Question. I wish to ask you now speci
fically in regard to any conversation 70,
may have had with Mr.. Sherman?
Answer. Speaking of the treasury mat
ters, he told me that he was going to intro
duce resolution in the senate the follow
ing day. calling for copy of the Melint
report He said he had been down to tht
department that afternoon and read the re
port, and there was nothing in it that re
fected on him. l told him that would prob
ably lead to an investigations Speaking
about this investigation, I said: Il suppose
shall be called upon to testify.
crimnate myself told hin
I told him that if l was called upon
would have to state just the facts as they
occurred He told me that he did not know
that 1 would be compelled to answer.
told him that l could not refuse to answer
except upon the grounds of not desiring t
briefly about what my testimony would be
He said that he thought l nigh
see Mr. Upton and Mr.. Power and arrange
some story that would be satisfactory t
tho committee He aaas