The representative. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1893-1901, 1894-09-12
AN INTERESTING DIALOGUE.
DEBS AND HAVEMEYER.
A Specimen of American Law and
Justice.

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For breaking the laws of the coun-
try"
Are all men who break the laws of
our country arrested and indicated?"
Yes. Laws are the safeguards of
our nation and must be respected and
Obeyed."
"Of what was President Debs
guilty?"
"Of the terrible crimes of conspir-
acy and obstructing interstate COM
munica tion."
Are those grave offenses, father?"
Ihey are, my son, and though the
Americans are sympathetic people,
they demand that Mr.. Debs receive
the severest penalty permitted by the
statutes. 1t is necessary to the preser-
vatlon OF our free institutions. A re-
publican can stand only by enforcing
ITS laws, which are made by the people.
Disrespect for laws breeds anarchy
ana anarchy means death to peace and
order.'
''Father, has Mr.. Havemeyer been
Indicated and arrested?"
Not that have heard"
will he be?''
II don't think so; indeed l know of
l..
Havemeyer is one of our most respect
ed citizens.'
w hat is his Positions"
HE is President of the American
Sugar Refining Company"
Does his company do a large bust
neSs?"
Very large: in short, it supplies all
the sugar used by the people of the
United States"
us his the only company engaged in
the sugar business?"
practically"
What became of the others?"
They we're absorbed by the Ameri-
did they want to be?'
"Yes-er-that is, l suppose So"
"Why?"
'They were smaller concerns and
could not compete with the big COM
pany."
Why couldn't they?"
"Well, Mr.. Havemeyer's company
had millions Of dollars capital and
could cut the prices"
couldn't the little fellows cut,
too?'
mo, they could not afford it,"
"Then Mr.. Havemeyers company
IrOZe Gile llUCle IellOW OUT"
We'll, you may call 1t that, 1 sup
pose"
"Then what did Mr.. Havemeyer
do?"
He formed out of all the sugar con-
Germs the American Sugar Refining
Company, which now has capital of
$50, O0O, 900"
Formed trust as it were?"
ho /,
should not be used any oftener than
necessary"
us not there a law prohibiting
trusts?'
''I-er-now, really, I believe there
is"
''Is it enforced?''
'Well yes: that is, it should be-"
Can republic stand unless it's
laws, which are made by the people.
arc enforced?'
Now, my SOM
"Does Mr.. Havemeyer have laws
made favorable to the interests of his
company"
81 am not familiar with Mr.. Have
meyers business
"Did he not tell the Senate commit
tee that he gave money to both politi-
cal parties"
Something like that, I believe" =
''Why should he do that?"
Il don't know; but now, my SOM
"Didn't he say that a duty on sugar
meant millions of dollars to his com
pany?"
"Now, see here
didn't he say that he had talked
with our lawmakers about placing
duty on Sugar?'
Look here. boy
"And didn't the lawmakers do lust
as he said?"
Your mother is calling''-
Gas president Of the Sugar Trust is.
not Mr.. Havemeyer guilty of violation
of the trust laws and of conspiring
with his fellow members against the
best interest of the people?"
Il don't know and | don't care.'
who is u. S. Holbroog, one of the
Frederal Grand Jury who indicted
President Debs?'
"IIe is a brother of our eminent fell
low townsman, Frederick A. Hol-
brook"
What is Frederick's busness?"
'He is the head of the school furni-
ture trust"
Ibid not the State Legislature take
official action toward Mr.. Holbrook's
company?"
Yes. 1 believe that it appointed
committee to investigate whether it
was not illegal?"
"What did the committee fnd?"
ut reported that the school furni-
ture trust violated the laws of Illinois
regarding trusts; that it was a trust
in all that the word implies."
"Was anything done with the re-
port?"
"Yes. Acknowledgement Moloney
was ordered to bring legal action
against the trust with the end of dis
solving it,"
'Who is Frederick A. Holbrook's
brother, the member of the grand
jury?"
"He is friend of Mr.. Frick of Car
negie, Frick & Co."
THE company which palmed off bad
armor plate upon the governments"
Yes"
''Then he is the brother of the presi-
dent of the law-defying trust, and in
innate friend of man who tried to
cheat the government out Of hundreds
of thousands of dollars?"
You may put it that way if you
want to-"
"Why doesn't the government call
out troops to compel Mr.. Havemeyer,
Mr.. Holbrook and Mr.. Prick to obey
the laws?"
"My son, lawi queer thing, full of
strange impulses. 1t works different
ly from any other thing on Gods green
earth. But remember, boy, that the
dignity of the law must be mainland
at all times and under all circum-
stances"