The representative. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1893-1901, 1894-10-31

mum, where they now pay 10 per cent,
or 60 or 100 per cent on chattel loans;
and another wanted one billion to in
crease the currency generally and a
dozen more introduced bills of like
character, to add all these different
proposed measures together and claim
that the sum total represented the
POpulist platform. In 1891 there was
a dozen bills introduced in our state
Legislature, by different senators and
members to cut down interest from 10
to per cent. Now imagine Halvor
saying why here's two Populists want
ed to take off two per cent, that makes
4per cent: and here's another wants to
and here are lot more to the same
affect, and if you add them all TO-
gether it proves that the Populists
wanted the bankers to lend their
money for nothing-nay to pay the
borrower something for taking it,!
We all know that the man who
would resort to such an argument as
that ought to be ridden on rail out
of any decent country in Christendom.
And yet this is the kind of stuff this
physical giant and intellectual dwarf
fed that audience of townspeople on,
and they were immensely tickled over
it, and the next morning ordered the
boys to put little more sand in the
sugar and to water the whiskey.
And then Halvor proceeded to say
that the charge that Ernest Seyd con
fessed to Mr.. Luckenbach that he had
spent 100000 of Bank of England
money to corrupt Congress. and pur-
chase the act of 1873, to prevent the
further coinage of standard silver dol
lars, was a lie-an exploded liza
venerable "cheS tnut" with whiskers
on it; and thereupon the idiotic crowd
laughed immenSely:-andG God repent
ed him that he had made such FOOLS
and crowded them all into unhappy
Hallock
But here is Mr.. Luckenbach's aft
davit:
State of Colorado, County of Arapahoe,
SIS.
Frederick A. Luckenbach, being first du-
ly sworn on oath, deposes and says, l am
50 years of age. 1 was born in Bucks coun-
ty, Pennsylvania. 1 removed to the city of
Philadelphia in the year 1916, and contin-
ued to reside there until 1866 when I re-
moved to the city of New York. In Phil
adelphia l was in the furniture business.
In New York l branched into machinery
and Inventions, and am the patentee of
Luckenbach'S pneumatic pulverlZer, Whlcn
machines are now in use generally in the
Eastern part of the United States and Eu-
rope. l now reside in Denver, having re-
moved from New York two years ago. L
am we'll known in New York. have been
d member of the produce exchange and
am well acquainted with many members
of that body. 1 am well known by Mr..
Erastus Wyman.
In the year 1865 1 visited London, Eng
land, for the purpose of placing there
Pennsylvania oil properties, in which was
interested. l took with me letters of intro
duction to many gentlemen in London
among them one to Mr.. Ernest Seyd from
Robert NJ. Foust, eX-treasurer of Ph1ladel-
phia. I became well acquainted with Mr..
Seyd, and with his brother Richard Seyd,
who, 1 understand, is still living. l visited
London thereafter every year, and at each
visit renewed my acquaintance with Mt.
Seyd, and upon each occasion became his
guest one or more times-joining his tam-
ly at dinner or other meals.
In February 1874, while on one of these
visits, and while his guest for dinner, L
among other things alluded to other things
ahoat of parliamentary corruption, and
expressed astonishment that such corrup-
ton should exist. In reply to this, he told
me he could relate facts about the cor
ption of the American congress that
would place it far ahead of the Engl1sh
parliament in that line. So far. the con-
version was at the dinner table between
u.s. His brother, Richard, and others were
there Also but this was table talk between
Mr.. Ernest Seyd and myself. After the
dinner ended, he invited me into another
ROOM where he resumed the conversation
about legislative corruption. He said: III
YOU will pledge me your honor as gentle
man not to divulge what am about to tell
you while 1 live, 1 will convince you that
what I said about the corruption OF the
American congress is true l gave him
the promise and he then continued: Il
went to America in the winter of 1878,
authorized to secure, if 1 could, the pass
age of bill demonetzng silver. 1t was
to the interest of those l representative
governors of the Bank of England-to have
| it done. 1 took with me 100000 sterling,
with instructions that if that was not suffl-
| cient to accomplish the object to draw for
| another 100000 or as much more as was
necessary" He told me German bankers
were also interested in having it accom-
plshed He said he was the fnanclal al
wiser of the bank. He said: Il saw the
| committee of the house and senate and
maid the money and stayed in America
until 1 knew the measure was saIe.
asked if he would give me the names OF
| the members to whom he paid the money
| but this he declined to do. lie SAID
"Your people will not comprehend the far-
| reaching extent of that measure-put they
| will in after years. Whatever you may
| think of corruption in the English parma
ment, 1 assure you, I would not nave
dared TO make such an attempt here as l
| did in your country" 1 expressed my
| shame to him for my countrymen IN our
legislative bodies. The conversation drlft-
| ed into other subjects and after that
| though I met him many times-the matter
was never again referred 10.
| (Signed) ,,
| Subscribed and sworn to before me at
| Denver, this ninth day of May. A. d. 1892
| (SignedO JAMES A. MILLER,
! clerk of Supreme Court, State of Colo
RADIO.
(Seal)
STEVENSON said this statement was
all "exploded." How? There could
be but three ways that statement
could be exploded.
| 1. BY showing that Mr.. Lucken'
bach never made such an affidavit.
2. BY showing that he was a man
| of bad character and unworthy Of be-
lief.
3. BY proving that his statements
are false.
AS to the first point there can be nc
question. Mr.. Luckenbach lives in
| Denver, Colorado; this affidavit has