St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-06-05
MORE OF the SUGAR DEAL
TESTIMONY or CARLISLE. MILLS,
MCPHERSON. VEST AND OTHERS

MCPHERSON. VEST AND OTHERS
PRESENTLD TO THE SENATE.
How the Celebrated Schedule was
Framed-Carlisle Talk with
Observation-Disclosures Son
Took a Flyer in the Stock and
Made $1,000 No Contriba-
tions to the Democrats.
WASHINGTON. June 4.-Senator Gray,
as chairman of the special committee to
investigate the alleged operations of the
sugar trust in connection with the tariff
legislation, today submitted to the
senate the second batch of testimony
taken before that committee concerning
the examination OF all the Democratic
members of the finance committee, in
GLIDING Senators Voorhees,. Jones.
harris, Vest, Mcpherson, Mills and
Secretary Carlisle and Hon. John De
Witt Warner, Of the house Of repre-
sentatives.
Senator Mills denied all knowledge Of
the reported secret interview of Sec
rotary Carlisle on the sugar question.
and said that he and Senator Jones and
Senator Vest had prepared the sugar
schedule as first reported, and he knew
nothing of any memorandum from the
secretary. He also denied all knowl-
edge OF the alleged Sunday conference
OF the finance committee with those
interested in securing sugar legi station.
He said he had never heard of members
of the sugar trust being in the capitol
while he was acting as a member of the
finance committee. and that he had
never met any of the members Of the
trust. The letter of Introduction was
merely formal note containing only
two or three lines. He declined to see
Mr.. HaYemeyer. Senator Mills also
denied any knowledge of contributions
to the Democratic campaign committee.
Secretary Carlisle's statement, as it
appeared in the published testimony. is
not materially different from that given
to the press officially the day after he
was before the committee, but some
points are presented in greater detail.
His memory does not correspond with
that Of
SENATOR JONES
as to the time and place that he was
asked to put the sugar schedule into
shape. Mr.. Carlisle stated that Mr..
Jones had requested him to have the
sugar schedule prepared on the MORN
ing of Saturday, the 5th of May. and
had handed him memorandum stating
what he wanted done. He had agreed
to do this, as the service was one that
the treasury department was in the
habit of rendering the members of the
finance committee. After he went to
his Office he dictated the schedule pro-
vlding for the ad valorem duty of 40 per
cent and the additional one-eighth of
one cent Oh sugars above NO. l6. Dutch
standard. At 2 O'clock that day he went
to the capitol. in response to telephone
message requesting his presence. taking
the sugar schedule which he had put in
shape with him. He found Senators
Jones, Vest and Mcpherson and Repre-
sentative Breckenridge in the room of
the senate committee OH appropriations,
and Senator German afterwards APP
peared
AFTER talking some time" said Mr..
Carlisle. sit was suggested by some one,
and l am not able now to state by
whom, but certainly not by me. for I
made no original suggestion about that.
that Instead of having 40 per cent ad
valOrem on all sugars and an eighth of
per cent additional upon sugars test
ing above sixteen, Dutch standard, in
color. there should be duty of 40 per
cent upon all sugars below No. Ii, Dutch
standard, in color, and As per cent on all
sugars above sixteen. Dutch standard,
ill color. the additional 5 per cent being,
as you will observe, equal to an eighth
of the 40 per cent on
THE OTHER GRADES.
"That was talked about, and, while it
was not agreed to because. as l say,
there were only two members of the
finance committee present = Senators
Jones and Vest-it seemed to be the in
tention that they should submit that
kind of proposition to the committee
Thereupon some one asked me if could
not write it. said:
~ will just take this amendment
which | have in my hand and inter
line H.
"ln addition to that. they said they
wanted t. put into the amendment a
clause in relation to the Hawaiian
treaty. They wanted to insert clause
that this schedule should not abrogate
or in any manner impair the provisions
of the Hawaiian treaty. and asked me
if could net write that also. | said:
Il will jpst take this paper and inter-
line it,
II took out the part which provided
for one.eigh1E Of one cent per pound
additional ana put in the provision for
d cent ad yalorem. Then l added to it,
in my own handwriting. these inter-
beirg also IN my own hand
writing. all the provisions now contained
in it with regard to the Hawaiian treaty
just as it is today"
Mr.. Carlisle then told OF his visit to
the capitol the next day, which was
Sunday, and explained how this visit
came to be made, to correct a discrep-
ancy in the schedule. which. If it had
net been corrected, would have left
sugar without either duty or bounty
between the 1st of July, 1894, and the
1st of January, 1895. This occurred to
him. and not finding Senator Jones in
his home, he had driven to the capitol
to make the suggestion that the hiatus
should be provided for. when. to his
surprise, he had found Senators Jones,
Vest and Mcpherson and Representa-.
tive Breckenridge at work upon the
TARIFF AMENDMENTS,
which were 10 be introduced on the
following day. He was then told that
the amendment which he d inter-
lined, changing the duty on refined
sugar at the compound rate of 40 per
cent, had been abandoned. and that he
had simply said. '.All right.n and came
away.
Closing this part of what may be
called his direct testimony. Mr.. Carlisle
said:
"The amendment which l prepared
by interlining In the committee on
finance, l handed to Senator Jones as |