The record-union., 1894-05-21
REV. KOHNB'S ANSWER.
He Takes Monsignor CapePs Points
Up Seriatim.
Astonished At the Admission That the
Pope Can Err-Denies Peters
Supremacy.


in last Thursdays REcoRD-UNIoN. He
prefaced it by saying that after the
fair and candid statement of Monsignor
Capel, he felt 1t would be only just and
right to answer it in as fair and candid
spirit, II would take two evenings TO do
so, as one would not be enough. Next
week he would take up CapePs theory OF
government, as then announced.
He read his text, which was taken from
the first chapter of Hebrews: "God,
who at sundry times and in divers man
ners spoke in times past unto the fathers
by the prophets, hath, in these last days
spoken unto us by His Son, whom He
hath appointed heir of all things, by
whom also He made the worlds"
On this, he said, the Protestant Church
takes its stand. The stand Capel takes is
fair, and he hoped his would be equally
so. lie wished TO deal justly, and would
therefore use manuscript, not trusting TO
his memory for various statements and
quotations he should make. The only
way to get at facts is by argument. Last
week he made several statements which
Mr.. Capel had ignored. with reference to
the relation of the priest to the flag, the
relative space devoted in the history re-
1erred 10 by him to Pryor ID. Smith and
Washington and other things.
He had tried TO show that the liberty to
think for oneself was the glory OF Protest
antism; that the Protestant Church was
trying TO throw down the barriers built
for ages by Kings and Popes. He had
tried to say that progress in America
showed the prevalence of universal edu-
cation.
Mr.. Capel had said nothing on these
points. He had offered no remedy on
The questions of immigration, of labor,
womanhood or the schools, but had
skipped all these and talked about the in
fallibility of The Pope He admits that
the priests want to think for the people.
lie admits also that Catholics will not
help 20 build Protestant churches and he
glories in the fact. In ali that he has said
there is not one word for America-not
one word for the flag. The speaker had
read Mr.. CapePs article which spoke ofthe
newspaper report. He had given no re-
port 10 newspaper, and had not author
lied one. Newspaper evidence is not ad-
mitted i'll court of law, and the report
was not entirely correct. 1t stated that
he said Catholic was never known to
help build Protestant church. lie said
Catholics did not help to build Protestant
churches. He had not stated that Arch
bishop Ireland had said the church would
abolish the public schools through the
Indians and negroes. but that il it would
make Catholics OF them in ten years The
church would have America.
Monsignor Capel says wave of big
otry Is sweeping over the country. Web
Ster defines bigoIry as blind adherence
TO a particular creed. Did anyone ever
know him (l\oehne) to be blindly at
tached to any creed? The only trouble is
that Protestants are talking about Catho-
lies. Why is it a wave OF bigotry? Cath
olics are filling the official positions; they
are reaching out for the funds of the pub
lie schools; they control the newspapers;
d Jesuit has lately been placed IN the Su-
preme Court; an eminent Bishop has de-
clared that the masses have no right to
know how to read and write. Protest
ants are talking about these things.
''fhe Sacramento Evening BuzZard'
on last Monday published part of his
sermon of fifty minutes duration, CIV
ing it seven inches OF space. 1t also pub
iished the prize fight of Dixon, giving it
seven inches of space. Monsignor Capel
wishes the fight to be on intellectual
grounds. He says misrepresentation and
abuse are not arguments. "The Buz-
Zard" had misrepresented him. He did
not say the Southern Pacific was sub
serVient to the Catholic Church No
doubt the church would like to have it
SO. He did not say ''the BuZzard' was
owned by the priests, even its finger
nails. He did not know Ii had finger
nails, but thought it was web-footed.
Mr.. koehne read an editorial from the
Monitor which called j. @. a. Henry a liar,
said he had no brains, that it was time TO
tear away the veil Of his hypocrisy, and
charged him with downright forgeries.
He also read one from the Western
HdtchHtdn ofSt. Louis, calling DR.. Lorri-
mer's reference to the College OF Cardi-
nails unmitigated talsehood, and saying
that Talmage had had hint from heaven
that he had no need of tabernacle.
Ia thnnnht that IN tha liubf nf r1oc = his
tory it would be well TO ask If Providence
had not given several hints 10 the Jesuits
that they were not wanted either in this
country or in Europe. When did any
one hear a sermon in Catholic church
on the saloon question or on harlotry
Never. Protestant preachers will not
pardon thief or murderer, nor Will
they take the food from the mouths of
wives and children to pay for masses.
Monsgnor Capel said if the reverend
gentleman looked at the stained-glass
windows from without, he would see
nothing but confusion aud deformity. but
from within the beauty of design will be
seen and appreciated. 1t was, the
speaker thought, bad simile. He was
willing 10 look within. Ill would like
TO commence looking within the num-
neries, and would like to have the first
peek. Protestants are never invited TO
look within them. 1t is only when nun
escapes LHdL lu0y KNOW dDyluiU4 SDOuj
them. He would like TO see Monsignor
CapePs books of theology and read the
questions the priests are instructed 10
ask of women who come 10 confession,
but Monsignor Capel dare not show
them.
W hen Protestant minister wants to
look outside of his church, Rome holds
4 out her arms to him and welcomes him,
but when Catholic priest wants to look
3 outside it is quite q different thing. He
read the statement of Father Chinnick,
for forty-fye years a Catholic, who told
how, when he left the church, his house,
his academy and other property were
burned and himself dragged into the
criminal courts. Ii cost him Sol, 900 and
persecution like that of St. Bartholomew
for looking outside.
Give man the opportunity for free
thought and free speech, and If it is evil
it will fall to the ground OF itself, and if
good il will stand. Look at Slattery. He
went to San Francisco and a mob gath A
cred and forced him to leave by a side
door. Sialtery bad looked outside, that
was the trouble.
Does any one want to know the real
cause of Luther's leaving the Church of
Rome? 1t was the doctrine OF indul-
gences. He read from Cardinal Gibbon
on the indulgences bull of Leo X, to
which Luther objected. and quoted from
MilIau's history the proclamation issued,
offering to grant indulgences Tor any sin
q man might desire to commit hereafter,
and stating that there is 10 sin so great
that the indulgence would not cover it.
1t placed the cost Of forgiveness of muir
der of a parent, wife or child. of incest,
rape, beating q priest or eating meat in
Lent, at ten shillings each.
Luther looked outside after reading
fhis indulgence and he stayed outside
He (Koebne) wished Monsignor Capel
would deny these things.
A Bishop declares that the Protestant
churches are only secrs and must come