The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1894-06-05

Upon being asked by Senator Lodge
whether he had advised the finance
committee as to whether it was better
to have ad valorem or specific duties,
Mr.. Carlisle said: 81 have always been
in favor of an ad valorena duty, but !
do not remember that gave them any
such opinion then. There was very
little said about it. / may say, also,
that have always been in favor of a
moderate duty on sugar as a revenue
article, and l prepared the minority re-
port on the Mckinley bill against the
provisions putting sugar on the free
list
Mr. Carlisle said that he knew that
ad valorem duties were advocated by
the sugar refining interest, for both
the refiners and the planters. as we'll
as others interested in the tariff legis-
lation, as they had talked with him
about their business.
The Note to Havemeyer.
With reference to the note of intro,
duction which he gave Mr.. HaveneyeI
to Senator Mills. he said he wrote the
note for him as he wrote letters fol-
others interested in tariff legislation
to other members of the committee and
he hoped if the note was still in exist
|ence it would be made public. He said
number of years and Mr. HavemeyeI
had stated that he also knew Senator
Mills, but feared the latter would not
see him unless he had a note. He had
never refused to write such a letter il
he thought the man who requested il
was worthy. Mr.. Havemeyer, he said
had called to see him about the tariff
legislation on sugar, as mad also Mr.
Searles and Henry r. Reed, of Boston
and all had talked about this matter
but he could not remember what they
had said Thee had been irtimatior
from any of them that the Democratic
party was under any obliga tons to the
Sugar trust
Mr.. Carlisle denied emphatically that
he had ever made a secret, call upon
the finance committee, or made a de-
cause of the Democratic partys obliga-
tons to the Sugar trust.
McPherson's Stock Purchases.
Senator McPherson,s@te is de
voted largely to an explanation OF
Quoting them He said that he had
agreed with the finance committee as
to the sugar schedule.
Il did not he said, favor the sugar
schedule but he added that he had
never said anything about the Demo
cratic party being under obligations tC
the members of the Sugar trust. He
said that if his counsel had been taken
the Wilson bill would have been ac-
cepted by the Senate committee with
out amendment He believed in free
sugar, if it could be made free, and a
sufficient amount of revenue secureG
Nevertheless, he had offered sugar
amendments in the committee providing
for a specified duty of cent per pound
on sugar testing so degrees and a grad
ual increase Of about 1 mill additional
for each degree for refined sugar. He
said he had never come in contact with
any of the sugar refiners, except Mr.
Searles. who had called on him in his
house and demonstrated against the
schedule he had presented to the COM
mittee. He repeated that he never
knew of any obligations to the sugar
trust, but said he had heard the state
ment made that the sugar refners were
in the habit of giving the Democratic
side a small contribution and the Re-
publicans a large one.
Mr.. Mcpherson stated that while he
kept an office on Wall street and he
had been in the habit, for the past
seven or eight years, Of buying stocks
as an investment and selling them, he
had not considered himself an operator
in the usual acceptance of the term. He
said that in addition to the purchases
of sugar stock made by his son in Feb
ruary he had purchased some sugar
stock in October and November and had
it in December, when Congress con-
vened. Questions put by Senators AL
len and Davis developed the fact that
Senator McPherson's son had made a
profit of about $1,000 on the stock
bought on the 22d and sold on the 26th
of February.
Closely questioned by Senator Allen,
Of Nebraska, Senator Mcpherson stated
that it was in the favor of the Sugar
trust to put up or down the price of
its stock. and he knew this before his
son bought the stock. He also knew
that putting a tariff on sugar would
tend to increase the value of the stock.
He did not think it right to speculate
in the stocks affected by legislation and
had never done so.
In the course of his examination SEN
ator Mcpherson stated that it had been
very definitely decided between himself
and his son that the Geographic order
for sugar stocks of February % was not
to be sent, and that his son went to
New York the night it was written. He
thought the order had been carelessly
left on the desk and had been inadvert-
antly sent by servant.
a Suggestion Made.
Representative John De Witt War
ner was examined on the basis of
a newspaper statement that an eff
fort, which had been instigated
by men Of great prominence in
the Democratic party, had been
made to cause Mr.. Warner to
cease his fight for free sugar while the
tariff bill was pending in the House.
Mr. Warner said that the suggestion
h n dc To h i'm {
not a duty on sugar, the sugar trust
would defeat the bill. but he declined
to state from whom the suggestion had
come. It was from members of the
House of Representatives. He had
not a duty on sugar, the Sugar trust
until the day before the tariff bill
passed the House. and it had then be-
was organized for the purpose of de-
feating his amendment and carrying
duty on sugar.
Senator Davis asked witness how
many times in the course Of the con-
sideration of the bill in the House it
was intimated to him that persons in
the sugar interest had contributed to
the success of the Democratic party in
New York
the question had frequently been sug-
gested to him, not as informa ton, but
as probability. Regarding the al
legged campaign contributions by the
sugar trust, Mr.. Warner said he had
often heard it charged that there was
one, possibly amounting to $500, 600
but he knew nothing about it. Mr..
Warner refused to give the names of
representa- tives and others with whom
he had talked, saying that he had con-
versed with these persons in confidence
and that they had given him informa-
ton rather than attempts in any i'm
proper way to influence his course. He
thought many of them intended. in a
general way, to show him the size of
the work he had undertaken