New-York tribune., 1894-06-17

sales or purchases have made without regard to
pending legislation.
Senator Davis-Mr Quay. let me ask you cues
haven't you OF operating in various stocks upon
the Stock Board. more or less? ,os, so.,,,,.. ,or
two three years | do not buy Sugar stock: some
times I am very active simply have nothing az
ever with the Sugar Trust had not any par
cipation in the ., framing OF the sugar schedu'e
Senator Davis-You were not cohsuiteu aoou' III
Senator Senator TEaSis-By the Sugar people?
Senator Quay-I am not acquainted with mem
nrety broad G'eS eSseron am very well acquainted
with Mr.. Harrison. Of Philadelphia, VINO was tne
| trust and he might possibly be in 1t now 1 am
not sure about it. But nave ave. meyer Ts cohVerseu
| senator Davs-You had nothing to do with max
ing up the Sugar schedule?
Some Of the Senators were examined beyond
the scope Of the prepared questions. notable
example In this particular was the examination
| Of Senator Smith, OF Nez-Jersey, who was asked
10 60 into details concerning his relations with
members Of the Trust The reason Tor this was
that the name of Senator Smith. like those or the
other Senators examined at length, mad been
mentioned by previous witnesses.
Senator Smith answered all the set questions
In the negative and then he was asked about the
allegation In The Philadelphia Press" that he
was present at meeting in the Arlington Hotel
with II. O. Havemeyer and other Sugar Trust
men and other Democratic Senators at which the
sugar schedule was arranged Mr.. smith, IN
answer. retold the story told by Senator Brice,
Mr. Havemeyer and II. l., Terrell Mr. Smith
also denied the story that Mr.. Havemeyer had
told him that the Trust must be protected by the
Democrats He had told Mr. Havemeyer that
If there was to be duty on raw sugar there
should be a duty on refined. and he had told
members Of the Finance Committee the same
thing. He had been at no conference In the
Capitol Building on a Sunday or any other day
between Sugar men and Democratic Senators and
knew OF no contributions OF the Trust for cam
paign purposes.
HOW THE SCHEDULE WAS ARRANGED.
The testimony OF Senator Vest important
in showing how the Sugar schedule finally
arranged. He answered all the categorical ques-
tions in the negative and was asked by
Senator Lodge what he meant by the
statement in his previous testimony that
the duty on sugar was put in because
the witness could not help himself. After some
explanation as To Democratic Senator'S insisting
on ad valOrem duties Senator Vest was asked
To tell the names OF the Senators who so in
sisted He said he had no personal reason for
not giving names. but It was against the rules
OF the Senate for him to tell what occurred In the
Finance Committee. and he therefore asked Sen
ator Lodge and the other investigators what he
should do in the matter. The committee decided
that Mr. Vest should tell, and he answered In
The irst bill prepared by Senator Jones. senato-
raw sugar TO be tested according to the polarI-
scopic strength. without duty at all upon refined
provision and II was printed II was a graded
duty on Tuesday morning we were to lay that
Committee Senators Harris. Voorhees, and Nc
Pherson had nothing 70 do with It: Senator Mus
SICK
on Monday morning preceding the meeting of the
Finance Committee, We were Informed that a eau
Gus OF the Democratic members OF the Senate
was 70 be held and that caucus was called by Mr; NJ
went into the caucus Of course as ruiS pemocra's G
fonlcl stated d the caucus what We had done.
The caucus remained In session three DAYS and we
mlttee"to 60 back with our bin and readjust It
that 1t would be acceptable II possible 10 all
We went into our committee room and there ap
pearel before us senator Coz nan. Senator srice'
senator Hlll Senator Smith. OF New-Jersey; Sena-
tor Cafrery. OF Louisiana. and Senator White now
a Justice OF the supreme Court; who was then In
the senate. and had been appointed but had not
taken his seat on the bench
DISCUSSING THE SUGAR SCHEDULE.
The discussion was taken up at once on the sugar
schedule as soon as got there. and Senator
German | think stated that he was In favor. or
he thought Il would be right 10 put an ad vaiorem
duty OF Is per cent sugars. with one-fourth
dinerential refined Caffery did the talk
ducers lie combatted the idea OF an ad valorem
duty wdS e be accepted by the producers at all
and he denied that he had ever agreed 10 any az
senator German said that the understanding was
between the Louisiana Senator'S and the balance OF
s Una, y' cn n and think on ali the commit
tee. that they had understanding that the,
would fix this duty 10 suit both the producers and
The renners: and they discussed that question, one
affirming and the other denying
That went on for three-quarters or an hour OF an
hour The principal contention was sustained by SEN
ator German senator Brcc may nave said something
hut I think he said he did not care much about H.
but he wanted the matter adjusted. That seemed
TO be his ide0 Senator Cafery was very emphatic
ticmen. we here under instructions OF our
caucus TO hear any complaints that nave been maue
n nj suggestions Now, II Is evident 10 NE
that you gentlemen do not agree as TO what you
want and that you have made an agreement 10
do not want to be impote. the committee does not
want TO be impoite. but II you wil give us tne
once as you do not seem to be able TO agree among
yourselves 10 the tariff or words TO that effect
They all got up then and went out, and We went
70 work on this schedule and made Il finally at ~
per cent al va,orem al sugars, with one-eighth
diferenta as II is now IN the BIZ iSoss of SoIsse
except what they stated there 70 US IL seems
came IN AMI made the proposition to the committee
they disagreed about It themselves.
senator Llndsay-Nonc OF that party OF gentle
the schedule that you reported?
senator Vest--No sir. The proposition. as I
understood IT, from the rehners, was 80 l-S per
cent al valorem. and afterward 20 per cent ad va
loren and one-quarter direrential Nj. havemeyer
filed paper with the committee IN which he asked
quarter dferential Afterward the suggestion. or
demand. whatever you might call II. was 10 per
cent al valorem and one-quarter dinerential. and
that they could not 1--we FOR less.
| never had a talk with Mr.; Havemeyer about
this schedule In the bill. The only time ever
saw him was before took up this sugar mat
ter and that was at my house. and he left a sam
pie there But understood that this present duty
in the bill not at all agreeable TO the rehners
They complained or IL. dld not get that from
them personally.
NATURE OF THE DISAGREEMENT
Mr.. Vest said he thought Senator Murphy was
not present. Senator Canery was for specific
N,1 from,