The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1894-06-13

| the Democratic party 10 tne sugar trus
| or those interested In sugar refineric
: .sNo such Indebtedness exists, and
| nvcr alluded TO any Ia any conversation
with anybody at any time" said NJ
The witness said he had not seen an
other members OF the committee durin
his visit to Washington.
TEE SENATORS III SAW.
The Chairman: What other senator's ~
| you see on this business other than 80
have spoken OF?
MIR. Havemeyer: / saw Hi.
The Chairman. Where did you see hin
and how often?
Mr.. Havemeyer: AT his rooms. and sax
| him twice. j saw Bruce, saw Jones, saw
Vest. saw Caffery.
The Chairman: Any others?
| MIR. Havemeyer: No. / tried 10 SCI
others, but did not succeed.
Senator Allen: Did you see senator
| White, OF Louisiana?
Mr.. Havemeyer: No.
Mr.. Allen: Senator GormanY
Mr.. Havcmeyer: Gorman-oh. yes. saM
German twice. On one occasion senator
Brice sent TOR the witness. and ne We<'
10 the Senator's house. where ne met
Senator Cafery and they had talk over
sugar. The witness tod Mr.. Caneiy eH-
actly what he had told TO other senator's,
and also that 1t was to the advantage OF
Louisiana to have the form OF duty ad
valorem. irrespective OF what the rate
was. "Mr. Caffery told me That he was
satisfied his people wanted specific rates.
That is about the substance Of the con-
versation."
The Chairman: Did you have any agree
ment with him, so far as you two were
concerned. so far as any rate of schedule
Mr.. Havemeyer: No. sir. My plea was
that no matter what the rate was agsed
upon 1t might be adj valorem.
Mr.. Havcmeyer called twice upon Sena-
tor Hill. whom. ne said, told him he was
do a Cd oil no infn ~.
ment. II think at the first interview he
had the Peckbam matter I'm hand, and on
the second Interview he had the income
tax on the brain. felt that a New York
senator ought 20 be big enough, besides
these side Issues, TO have the interests or
his state in charge; and my visit was
with tie intention to have him take an
active interest In an industry which was
imperilled by congressional action"
To none or the senators had anything
been said about party indebtedness. said
Mr.. Havemeyer. and nc such obligation
exists MIR. Havemeycr 'all he knew OF
no senator who operated in sugar stock
who furnished Information TO the trust
about proposed legislation. In answer TO
Senator Allen. he said he knew nothing
about Senator Brice Or any other senator
specializing In sugar stock. The witness
said he had never talked with any Re
publican members Of the Finance Com
mittSe.
BOSFST CONFESSIONS
Senator Allen: You have endeavored
since the organization Of the Sugar Trust
TO control congressional legislation upon
the subject OF sugar. have you not?
Mr. Havemeyer: only by fair means,
which ] have a right TO do.
Senator Allen: And by either coming 10
" ashington In person or having some
, -rson to represent you here during the
session Of Congress?
Mr.. Havereyer: | have never had any
,ody represent me. have always done
hat thing In person 'JIndoi,htedlv. |
hats what ! have been down here for" /
rankly answered Mr.. Havemeyer when /
'enator Allen asked him whether the |
rst sugar Trust and the present one had 1
ot endeavored to control legislation of |
- ,,nl win a view to protecting It's |
interests and with a view Of making |
money out of such legislation. The wit
ess SAID ne had contributed to the Demo-
idtlc state campaign fund last year to
pc amount-he forgot the exact figures.
ie always contributed to the Republican
tate campaign fund, but he could not
~ ne contributed last year without refer
nee TO his books. His recollections were
lat no contributions were made by him
1892.
Mr. HaVemeyer said: contributions to
'cal political organizations have always
cen made by corporations before the
'ust, and by the trust. and the Ameri-
IN sugar Refining Company, and no
oHDt L, VIII continue to be. Il is very
senator Allen Why should the Ameri-
an sugar Refining Company contribute
either political parties Of New York.
Mr. Havemeyer: We have large inter
'ts in this State, and we want police
I'd fire protection. Every Individual
nd corporation and firm. trust or what
yer you call II, do these things, and we
D them.
coSrRIBuTE TO BOTH PARr1rs.
Senator Allen: And you contribute to
1th parties with the expectation of
hateVer party succeeds to our interests
III be guarded?
Mr.. Havemeyer: We have a good deal
protection for our contribution.
senator Allen: Contributions were also
ven 10 the Republican party in Massa-
lusetts;
MIR. Havemeyer: It is my impression
at wherever there is a dominant party.
herever the majority is very large. that
the party that gets the contribution.
cause that Is the party which controls
senator Allen: Then the Sugar Trust
a democratic In n Democratic State
q republican in a Republican State
dr. HaVemeyer: As far as local matters
lie would have to look up where the
ntributions went in Pennsylvania and
" Jersey. He could not give the
'ount contributed by the Sugar Trust {
N'AhPN.oh AuliQSf Dul, III answer 10 !
lator Allen, he said ii did not amount {
$4,000. 1t had not contributed to the
ii-SnaDper fund.
Ir. Allen asked for full data as to all
neg contributed by the American Sugar {
hning Company or any Of it's officers on J
account or in its interest, In the diff c
ent states of the Union, in 1892 and
J. for political purposes OF any politi- a
party, whether national, State or I
al Inc request was granted by the :
nmittee. and Mr. HaVemeyer asked an r
)ortunlty 10 consult his counsel before @
nshing the data called for. b
cord MtYFR TEsTIrIIs. =
IT. Cord Meyer was also examined a
said his occupation was executor Of Il
fathers last will" president of the a
me Fertilizing Company and managing Il
tner Of Cord Meyer & Co. Il
re had no connection with the Amor u
u sugar Refining company, EXCEPT as d
'tocKholder. The estate WIS a sfocFS a
der He represented the estates stock hi
an e. and had talked with Senators 50
IA ana Murphy, and had told them m
| the last section did not afford sufl- -
II protection 10 the SUGAR industry IT
meyer denied having been present AZ pf
COZ sIltatlon between II embers of tho III
ar trust and senator's, in the Canitol
dnNWhere else. The report of AIR
ef testimony was not important -
committee will meet tomorrow ",
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Mr.. James Miller Dead az az