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St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23

disbursing their large campaign fund
with great liberality, but their scheme
to catch Democratic votes for Nelson is
working badly. The Democrats OF Min
nesota are going to give Gen. Bscker
their votes and elect him TO succeed the
present unfaithful chief executive.
-
The Populist organs are almost as bad
as Chairman Tams Bixby, and their
plans to get Democratic voters to cast
their ballots for Owen will fail just as
disastrously as Tams' little game.
~
There are whole army of Democrats
up in the big Sixth district who are for
Maj. Baldwin because they know by
what he has done that they will have a
brave and faithful representative at
Washington If he is elected. He knows
the departments, and can do more -
the district in month than Towne and
his mouth can accomplish in term.
-
The Democrats of Minnesota are COM
ing back into their working harnesses
in manner that is very demOraliZing
to the Republican managers. Gen.
Becker's election can be made certain
with the Democratic vote, and he viii
get so near all of it that the 10000 Re-
publicahs who are opposed to Nelson
ism will make him governor by safe
plurality.
Sam Phillips is still managing Heat
woie'S campaign, but he is against Sen
ator Washburn and the Republican
ticket in st. Louis county. Here is his
opinion in the MaZeppa Tribune:
The political situation is more mixed
than ever in ST. Louis county, the third
largest in the state. An independent
Republican ticket has been placed in
the field and it will undoubtedly poll a
large vote. The Hon. H. c. Kendall,
who has been nominated for the house
by the Independents. will be elected be.
You'd any doubt.
Henry Feig, who is candidate for the
legislature in kandiyohi, has declared
for John Lind for United States SEN
ator.
"Charley" Lienau, who failed to
secure the Cffi:e OF collector of internal
revenue for Minnesota. and who resides
III California, making an occasional visit
to the Fourth congressional district of
this state, has announced again that he
is against the election of Congressman
Hall, and that. as he is the Germans
of The whole state. this means that
all the German Democrats are going to
vote against Mr.. Hall IN the Third dis
trlet. To The Minneapolis journal Mr.
Iienau announced that he and his
paper have always supported Demo-
cratic candidates heretofore. The Dem
ocratic leaders OF Minnesota all know
that MIR. Lienau has supported Demo-
cratic candidates only when he himself
has been on the ticket.
Mashall County Banner: Here is a
sample OF the argument used by Gov.
Nelson in his speeches:
You farmers are the most yullsble
people in the word. Lett peddler come
10 your house Win bundle Of shoddy
goods and unfold a pretty story how he
had Smugg!ed Them across the boundary
line and he can sell them at bargain
OF lightning rod peddler, or some one
organizing stock company to sell a
Sl50 stallion for 81, GOO. and you are gen
orally caught"
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23
annually amounting to from $4,000 to
$4,000. And Knute Nelson signed the
bill TO pay petty political debt
WHAT RAMSEY COUNTY OWES
KNUTE,

We present to the voters of Ramsey
county narration of how fifty thousand
dollars were transferred annually from
their pockets to those of three of their
officers. and the share in this of Gov.
KDute Nelson, now asking their suf-
frages again.
The story Is no campaign canard. but
is cold narration Of fact, which 10 one
of the parties involved will dare to rise
up and deny in any of its particulars.
1t is not one of those pure fabrications
sprung just on the eve OF an election by
reckless partlsans. but is the cold truth,
told now two weeks before election day,
giving ample time to Mr.. Nelson land
others" to vindicate themselves, If they
can. from the direct charge that he de-
lib. rately. and against the protest of
numerous citizens of this city-editGrs,
business men. Democrats and Republic
unassigned bill, pronounced an OUT
rage by his attorney general. repeating
the special act placing the fee officers Of
the county on salary of five thousand
dollars year. and entailing charge of
fifty thousand dollars annually on the
taxpayers Of Ramsey county.
If this were not bad enough, he did
it knowing that he was putting the &C
ton beyond the reach of succeeding
legislature to remedy. He knew that
constitutional amendment had been
adopted sweeping away special legisa-
ton; that the salary system could not
be restored by special act. and that it
could only be reached by general law
applicable to all counties. The COM
plete failure of committee to formu-
late a satisfactory general municipal
law at the same session illustrated the
difficulty of getting such legislation.
He fastened the fee system, with its in
comes aggregatlng $4,000 annually
above what would be fair compensation
for the services rendered, on the people
of this country for an indefinite time.
In all his speeches over the state the
governor has dilated Oh the superior
economy of his legislative session OF
1893 over that Of 1891. He has told the
voters how his session spent s2l.OOO less
for its expenses than did its predecessor
And here, by stroke of his pen, he in j..
creased the expenses of these three
offices to the people of this county
$50. 0G0 year.
We want every voter in this county to
read the unimpeachable statement we
give this morning of how this economi-
cal governor treated them. and espe-
cIally his motives In so doing. The
number Of votes he receives from the
voters of this county Tuesday fortnight
will be the exact measure of the number
of men who ratify and confirm his con-
duet in this most fragrant outrage.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23
A CHAT WITH CH|LDS.
The Attorney General As
Sumes That Biermann'S
Position Is Correct
IN THE LAND GRANT CASE.
Childs Will Not Burn His
Fingers in Any Of
Knute'S
BIG RAILROAD CHESTNUTS.
The States Legal Adviser
Gives Out a Very Foxy
Interview.
IN THE LAND GRANT CAST
BIG RAILROAD CHEsTNUTs.

Attorney General Childs was in the
city for IA few hours yesterday. having
been summoned before the Republican
state central committee 10 account to
that honorable body for his action in
the matter of the Great Northern land
grant. Mir. Childs was expected to
withhold his opinion in the matter until
such time as the governor should get
ready to receive which means until
after election. The aStute attorney gen.
eral. however, declines to get his fingers
burnt on any of knute's Great North
ern chestnuts. and will not act rs a
shield for the governor. Whenever his
sublime knutelets wants that opinion
he can get it-and he may get it before
he wants it.
A GLOBE reporter met Mr.. Chi!ds as
he was on his way to the depot and
asked him fatty if he had returned his
formal ami official opinion to the
governor. Mr.. Chiids declined to
answer categoricallY the questions
which were asked him, but made some
very remarkable concessions. consider
ing that they came from Republican
official who is expected by the state
central committee 10 bolster up the
governor in this. his
EsOur Of ARfictiOn.
at would not be proper or courteous
on my part" said the attorney general,
ITO enter into any discussion OF this
matter through the press before it has
been acted upon officially. and l hope
you will excuse me for not discussing
it."
will it be officially acted upon
soon?'
sit will"
Very soon?"
YES. very soon. think"
Twill you state, MIR. Ctilds, whether
the position taken by Auditor Bierinaun
That he has the right. as land commits
siuner, to select the lands and fill the
grant of the Great Northern. is in keep.
ing with the letter and spirit of the
statute"
without committing myself any fur
ther l will SLY that | have assumed his
position 10 be correct"
The reporter wanted to extend the
interview. but Mr.. Chilus had to catch
his train. and FASTENED away. 1t is very
apparent that whatever else MIR. ChildS
may Go he does not propose To make a
sacriiicial lamb of himself and stand be.
tween Knute Nelson and the wrath of
the people.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23
That Mile Laos Pine.

The Young Man. Afraid of His. Voice,
who writes things for the Dispatch. has
just discovered that the pine on the
Mile Laos county section was estimated
for only haif what it was worth, and
wants to know why this is SO. 1t was
worse than that; it was estimated at
Why is this so? Because Len Pratt.
Bob Dunn's expert witness and side
partner, made the estimate at time
when he was expecting to buy it for
himself After somebody else bought
1t. and he and Bob were not let in on
the deal. he swore it was worth about
eight times what he mad estimated it at
in the first place. A good deal depends,
you know,
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23
Remember, YOU Must Register or YOU Cannot Vote

since In his paper. He takes back all
the praise he bestowed on him two
years ago. and substitutes abuse. detrac-
ton and falseho0d. He evidently ev-
poets every German voter in the Third
district will help him ''smash" Hall aud
thus avenge his defeat tor the collector
ship. He tells the Journal that he will
defeat Hail by 1000. and hopes to make
it 5000. This indicates that he expects
that 5000 or 1900 German-Amerlcan
voters in that district will obey his will.
We have not so poor an opinion Of them
as that. We do not believe that they
will lend themselves as a whip with
which Mr.. Lienau may punish Mr.. Hall
for recommending Capt. Harries for APP
pOintment.
With this Introduction, needless to
those who know him we'll. we leave
Mi. Lienau to the real Germans of the
Third district.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23
NUTS FOX BOB.
Pine Ring Dunn Can Crack a
lew More,

Pine Ring Dunn Can Crack
lew More.
In discussing the Pioneer Press i'm
probable story OF Bob Dunn's refusal to
take a bride for the suppression of his
pine land report, the GLOBE intilnated
q day or two ago that the man who
made the suggestion to the distinguished
representative from Mile Lacs WAS
probably the clerk of Mr.. Dunn's COM
mittee, vino drew up the resolution call
ing for the investigation, who took the
testimony. drew up the final report Of
the committee. and i'll 4 general way
translated Bob's pigeon English int0
Ineligible language for the benefit of
the legislature. Yesterday Mr.. Dunn's
personal apoiogist in the Pioneer Press
admits. to use its own language, that
che (the Clerk i'll question: volunteered
his services as CLERK TO the Investigating
committee, and volunteered also to
write out the report OF the committee.
He was permitted to do So. aud he at
once furnished Auditor Biermann with
an advance copy of the report"
The point is then made that the re.
port drawn up by this clerk and per-
sonal Interpreter of Mr.. Dunn's was the
majority report, which eAoHerated Mr..
Biermann.
The personal apoloyist is off in sew
eraI OF his conclusions. LII the first
place, the report which was drawn by
the interpreter was written ON Mr..
Dunn'S desk in Mr.. Dunn's private
room at the Merchants hotel. with Mr..
Dunn looking over the interpreters
shoulder, and was punctuated with lIba-
lions from MIR. Dunn'5 personal flask,
so that if there was anything in it
friendly to the interests of the pine
ring it must have been with Mr.. Dunn'S
knowledge. tor Mr.. Dunn can read
script if 1t is reasonably legible. In the
second place, copy of it was not fur
nisned to Mr.. Biermann. Two copies
were made. one of which was given to
George s. Garfield for the Minneapolis
Tribune at MIR. Dunn's request. and the
other was filed away by the astute in
terpreter for just such all occasion as
has arisen.
MIR. Dunn is just the kind of man
who might be expected to shift Off on
the shoulders OF subordinate any
blame that might attach to him, and the
interpreter guarded against such a
course by preserving a copy of the re-
port. The report thus drawn was tabled
by the house, much to the chagrin of
Mr., Dunn. The majority of the com
mlttee may also have mad All interpreter,
but if so he does not figure i'll these
annals.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23
TODAI'S WEATHER

WASHINGTON. Oct 90. - Indications: For
hlnnesota: Generally fair Tuesday. pre-
'eced by local showers in early morning;
outheast winds; 10 change III temperature
Wisconsin: Generally fair; winds shifting
o south; slightly warmer in eastern portion.
-owa: Fair: south, shiflingto west winds.
South Dakota: FAIR; west winds; cooler
Il central portion.
North Dakota: Fair. preceded by local
showers Ill eastern portion; variable winds.
Montana: Fair Tuesday: slightly warmer;
southwest winds.
GENERAL OBSERVATION
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGR1cr1r
uRE, WEATHER BUREAU. WASHINGTON, oct.
%. Gas p m. Local Time. SPIN. 18th Meridian
Time.--Ohservations taken at the sam mo.
ment of time at all stations
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23
Historical kieceiofS,

The Minnesota Historical society has
received the following books: Sir
Walter Raleigh's History of the World.
Early Landmarks Of Syracuse, by q. J.
Gardner; History of Fond du Lac
County, Wis; Collections of the Sur
rey, England, Archaeological Society
Vol. IL. Part L: Records OF Rev. Rogel
Viets, Rector of st. Andrews Sund.
bury, Conn, 1765-lSoo; Rev. Dude,
Woodbridge, His Church Record al
Sudbury Conn, 1691-17l0; Geology
of North Carolina, 1881: Historical
Manuscript Commission, Fourteenth re-
port; the manuscripts of the Duke Of
Eusburgh, Sir Ii. Ii. Campbell. Bart. :;
Earl of Strathmore and the Countess
dOWager OF Seafield.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23
aEATwoAH soiILooUizas.

Congressman Halls Questions
Drove Him on the stump.
You'd laugh 10 taste the 'taify'' give those
farmer men;
The way they guip it down beats pigs with
in Il pen.
l talk the chestnut tariff for which care a
zig.
But HaII-plagne him !-ccmpels me to talk
IL in tins jig
1 don't know iuch about i'll tell you on the
sly
But say I'll vote for things which please the
voters eye.
I rang a gag on the farmers bout the in
come tax,
And covered ii all over with corporation
wax.
Some fools are kicking now, aud call my
speeches rank,
Because they're not the productions of some
fool tariff crank.
This plaguey question business drove me on
the stump.
And Hall insists on answers like a crusty
"chump.'
I've ASKED him lots of questions; says he'll
answer all;
Don't matter what ask; l wish t was after
the ball.
-SnhvOy
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23
Mrs, DipDo Dies.

A wide circle of friends will be deeply
panied 10 learn of the sudde death OF
Mrs. w. S. Dippo. which occurred yes
terday ut the residence on Cedar street.
Mrs. Dippo WAS charming lady Of
some thirty years-one that made
friends and was admired by all that
knew her. Sunday evening she retired
III good health. The funeral will be
held from the Church OF the Good Shep-
herd at o'clock This afternoon.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23

ment. 1t islthe biggest, best and most
gorgeous entertainment David Hem
dersOn has ever given. He has opened
up the tabled fairyland of the Orient,
and he has begniled our vision with all
that is best and fin de steele in music, in
song and IN dance. ssu
50
1.-The Power of. Cold" at the Grand
this week, possesses strong. interest,"
ing story, admirably told by Walter
SanfOrd's splendid company. The reg
ular popular matinee tomorrow will
doubtless attract the usual crowded
house.
3. ,"The Coast Guard" will be produced
at the Grand for one week. beginning
Sunday night. Oct. 20. with John
Glendenning as its star. supported by
Frank Rolliston. Hamilton Harris. w. F.
Rochester. Lewis Mitchell. Joseph
Weber. Alex Levine. Forrest Russell,
George Pike. Miss Fannie Bowman.
Miss Ida Mcmillan, Saeer and Fanny
Midgeley. popularity known as 1.-The
M!dgeleys." The play will he presented
with magnificent scenery, specially
painted by Harley Merry.
-
Manager Kingsbury. of the Grand
opera house. has generously offered to
give one-half Of the net proceeds OF
The Power of G0ld'' performances.
running at this house. of Thursday.
Friday and Saturday evenings to char
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23

The Republican congressional CON-
mittee, through its secretary. has made
the statement that $4,000 notices have
been prepared at the pension Office to
be sent out to pensioners, notifying
them to show cause why their pension
should not be dropped. and that Secre-
tary Smith had ordered the notices to
be withheld until after election. The
charge was promptly brought to the
attention of Commissioner Lochren, who
denounced it as too palpably untrue to
deceive any one, and Secretary Smith
very CURLY disposed of it as "a CAM
paign lie."
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23
PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

Everybody who knows the gallant
Cot. Kiefer has often had his ribs tickled
and his sides shaken by the facetife OF
the honorable gentleman. Ii they have
not known him personally they may
have had the same genial Utilization by
reading the mastery addresses of the
colonel to the crowded seats OF a Friday
night session i'll the house of represent
a:ives. Ii they have missed both these
amusements, they have lost great big
lump OF pleasure out OF their lives.
The genial colonel's humor pervades
everything from his devotions to his
reyels. and he even presents the chill
dren OF this households of his district
with stick of candy, accompanied by
some remark that broadens the smile
started by the prospect OF sweets into
laugh over the funny coioneps fun.
So, when the colonel SAT down TO write
Inc letter accepting TIE challenge OF
MIR. Darragh to joint debate Of the
issues each represents, the CO onel could
not resist his innate and irrepreSSible
disposition, and tried to be funny with
Mr.. Darraeh. Some one, his fiuus
Achates probably. dropped little vine
gar in the letter in all insinuatiJn that
MI. Darragh does not properly credit
the glowing sentences of his speeches.
but we acquit the colonel Of this-his
disposition is too genial, and also too
funny.
AS the colonel-and his secretary
read the reply of Mr.. Darragh which we
publish this morning. and read, reflect
Oh and digest the propositions it con-
tains-proposilioDS lie cannot now very
well decline-we apprehend that the
colonel-and his secrttary-will con-
Guide that he has been funny once too
often. and regret his attempt to
"monKey" with MIR. Darragh. Now,
colonel, put up or shut up"
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23
Tuesday. Get. 90.

Tue.day. Oct. go
Gen. George L. Becker, John Ludwig,
" 5. Hammond. Fl. Baker. at Mankotoo.
James Maaahan, Gustave Hagen. at
Mountain Lake.
D. f. Peelles, John Moonan. W. Logan
Breckenridge. at Austin.
Hon. F. W Cutcheon. Hon. ii. R.
Baldwin. al Buffalo
j. Adam Bede, a; Grand Rapids.
&. ID. o Brien. ct Hibbing.
Z. c. klley. at Sarnum.
c. P. Magiuas, j. Ii. Sheets. A. L. Cole, at
Browervilie.
John E. Hearn, Herman Oppenheim, at
MUute emery
Wednesday. Oct. "a.
Gen. George L. Becker. Hon John Lud-
wig, al Li5tle Fails.
Hon. +. " M. Cuicheon, Hon. NJ. R. Bald
j adam Bede. E. c. Kiley, at Carlton.
G. p. MagiuIis, j. II. Sheets. A. l.. Cole. at
West Union.
r. D. ODrien. at Minneapolis.
Hon. L. ID. O Brien. at Virginia.
John E. Hearn, Herman Oppenheim. at
Kilkenny.
D. F. Peebles John Moonau, W. Logan
Breckenridge, at Rushford.
James Mauahau. Gustave Hagen, at Heron
Lake.
Thursday, Oct. 25.
Gen. George L. Becker, John Ludwig. Hon.
T. W. NJ. Cutcheon. Hon. NJ. X. Baldwin, at
Sank Center.
j. Adam Bede, E c. Kiley at Aitkin.
ID. F. PEBBLES. John MoOnan, W. Logan
Breckenridge at Ws.basha.
John L. iiearn, Herman Oppenheim, at
Shieldsvi e.
James Manahan. Gustave Hagen, at Brew
ster.
Friday, Oct. &c.
Gen. George l.. Becker, Hon. John Lud-
wig, j. Adam Bede. al Brainerd.
John +. Eearn. Herman OnpaOhain at
Waterville.
d. +. PEBBLES John Moonan, W. Logan
Brackenridge, al MaZeppA.
Hon F. w. NJ. Cutcheon, Hon. NJ R.
Baldwin. al Long Prairie.
c. P. Maginnis. j. II. Sheets A. L. Cole, at
Gray Eagle.
DANES Manahan and Gust ave Hagen a.
Elk Township.
saturday Oct p.
Gen. George L. Becker and Hon. John
Ludwig, at Minneapolis
d. F. PEBBLES. John Moonan ". Logan
Breckenridge. at Alma City
D Adam Bede, al Stables.
{. P. Maginnis, j. IL. Sheets, A. L. Cole,
at Swanville.
John E: Hearn. Herman oppenheim. at
Madison Lake
iion. F. W. NJ. Cutcheon. Hon. o. NJ. Hail.
at Hastings.
James Manahan and Gustave Hagen, at
ST. Killian.
Ma j. Baldwin, l p m. at Browerville.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23
governor.

WHAT was between the lines of the
letter: l will refer the matter 10 my at
torney general. l am now 50 engaged
in trying to be elected again that l can
MOI spare the time to sign that deed.
And my attorney general Is also SO alb
sorbed in helping me and Dunn land
others" that l really fear he will not be
able to give his attention to the matter
until his engagements are all filled.
His and my time is mortgaged to the
land others" up 10 the night Of Nov. 5;
but. my dear MIR. Biermann. l assure
you that Immediately thereafter l will
give tie matter my consideration. L
am. you may believe me, ever yours
anu the dear rubiic's and 1.-THE others.
K. n, governor of Minnesota"
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23
} the
) BUSINESS
) BOOM IS ON.

The GLOBES splendid re-
uiew of the business situa-
ton in st. Paul and its in
terUietvs With leading busi-
ness men, printed in the
Sunday issue, received uni
uersai praise throughout the
city yesterday. Last Sun
days GLOBE containedmdny
more columns of advertising
than the same Sunday one
year ago, and the circuia-
ton showed q gain Of oUer
1900 copies ouer the same
Sunday in 1898.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23

DAVID S. ROSE. who introduced the
resolution in the Wisconsin, Democratic
convention denouncing the sugar trail
tors in the seuate, is a candidate for con-
gress in the Milwaukee district. and ex-
periences the same difficulty in trying
to get his competitor to say what he will
do on the tariff il elected that Mr.. Hall
has with Mr.. Heatwole. The Sentinel
helps Mr.. Otjere out 10y saying that
''every one knows that no party would
ever re.enact all old tariff schedule for
schedule and letter for letter." Every
body knows that this is true of the Re-
publican party. for every time it. had a
chance at it it has made all its schedules
new and larger.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23
ROW OVER DRINKS.
Festive Trio Locked Up for tn
mi T,oun,o

Festive Trio Locked Up for the
'0I Trouble.
Dennis Mcnamara, Jacob Grab and
W, E. GongaD. festive trio, called on
Saloonkeeper krieger on West Fairfield
avenue Saturday night and drank some
IF Mr.. krieger's liquor. Be
fore they left a dispute arose
over the payment for the same.
which eliminated somewhat to The dis
advantage of Mr.. Krieg-r. Yesterday
Mr.. kreyer- SwOre out a warrant for
their arrest Oil the charge OF assault
and battery, and the young men spent
last night in the Ducas street police
station. They will appear in the mu-
nicipal court today.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23

UNDER the law previous to the ad.
vent of Knute Nelson and the Repub-
llcan legislature Of 1898 the sheriff of
Ramsey county received salary of
5000, and the remainder went into the
county treasury; now the sheriff of
Ramsey county receives emoluments
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23

KNUTE NELSON ti3ated a whole day
OH Douglas county lake in 1856. when
Gov. McGill was a candidate and he
had made trade to keep out of the
fight, but he cannot float into the state
house for another two years this year.
The people have had enough OF Mr..
Nelson
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-10-23

The Republican organs of the Twin
Cities have been forbidden by the state
central committee to make any refer
ence to knute Nelson's S5,000,00O Great
Northern dea! until the committee has
decided upon line of defense. We
will hear from them later ON.