The herald., 1894-08-31
THE STRIKE COMMISSION
Rebuttal Testimony Heard
Yesterday.
Few A. r. U. Men Participated
in the Riots.
Vice President Howard Again on the
Witness Stand.
Some Embarrassing Questions Put 70
the General Managers The
Inquiry Adjoarnsd to
Washington.
By the Associated Press

today by the strike commission. s. O.
Wade. an employee OF the legal depart
ment of the Rock Island road, said
much OF the blockading OF the railroad
tracks was the work of experienced rail-
road men.
W. r. Mooney, q Northern Pacific
switchman of Blue Island said Dsbs and
Howard had not advised the men to
strike. They had told the men to use
their own judgment. He was discharged
for alleged activity in the strike. Wit
mesa told of the fight at Blue island,
June 30th. when 400 deputy marshals
stood by and saw their chief, Logan,
beaten by the crowd.
w. f. Guion, reporter. was next
called. He went over the incidents OF
the strike at Blue island, Ferdham and
Pullman. He saw the cars burning at
Burnside. He found only three railroad
men in the nearest crowd. which was
three blocks away. The railroad men
were trying to dispsrse tho crowd. One
OF these mon said the Instructions from
the American Railway union we're to
drive away all persons who might be
inclined to damage property, and if they
would not 60, to cause their arrest.
Debs and Howard afterward asked wit
ness il he could help the order and cause
the arrest of the men engaged in vio-
lsnce, but he tod them he was not
detective.
Vice.P President Howard ofthe A. R. U.
was again called to the stand. Mr..
Howard denied that he had advised
.;1la ho Il
counseled moderation and denounced
lawlessneas. His only remark OF an
"incendiary" character, he said, was
coupling pins on the A. P. A. represent
deavor to stir up trouble in the union
on basis of difference in religion. He
denounced the A. p. A. and explained
how emieearies had frequently endeav-
ored to foment diseention in labor oY.
CARNATIONS on account of religion.
Mr.. Howard then suggested that the
following questions should be put to
the general managers, one of whom he
supposed would take the stand this aft-
ernoon:
Did the etrikers at any time interfere
with your carrying mails if Pullman cara
were not attached to the same train?
Could you not at all times have trans
ported the mails without interruption
If you had not insisted upon attaching
Pullman cars to the same train?
Was your contract with the govern
ment to transport mails any less bind
ing upon you than your contract with
the Pullman company, or was one con-
tract in any sense made dependent upon
the other?
DID your company have q contract
with the government to transport the
meila?
Was your contract dependent upon
your ability to transport Pullman cars?
Did your contract with the Pullman
company provide that you should not
carry the mails unless you took Pullman
cars. on the same train?
Commissioner Herman did not know
that the commission would nave an OPP
porJnnity to put the questions, but they
were allowed to 20 on record.
Howard also desired an investigation
OF Pullman's reported statement that
the general managers had threatened
to boycott him il he consented to arbi-
trate with the A. r. U. He further
said the union would show by the testi-
mony of Mayor Hopkins that the A.
r. u. had been mere active than the gem
eral managers in securing the arrest Of
persons engaged in violence.
Secretary Keliher, OF the A. R. u,
and Mayor Hopkins testified at the
afternoon session. Alter the hearing,
the commission adjourned to meet in
Washington, September 26th.
Mayor Hopkins testified at some
length regarding the attitude OF the
police during the strike. He declared
they had done their duty at all times.
He acknowledged he WAS in sympathy
with the strikers and against Pullman,
as he had been an employee OF the cem-
pany and knew what an employee has
to endure. Upon the matter of the mes.
sage of Debs to the General Managers
association, the mayor said:
July 23d, Debs, Howard and Keliher,
of the A. r. U., called and presented q
communication TO the railway man
ayers, asking me to take it over to
them. They asked that all the men be
taken back, not as members of the A.
r. U, but as individuals, except those
who had committed violence during the
strike. When got there the board had
adjourned and l handed it to Mr.. st.
John. MIR. st. John informed me they
did not desire TO receive any communi-
cations from that source, but would re-
celve it in view OF the fact that the
mayor OF Chicago brought it. Isay this
in regard to Mr.. Egan. The papers
quoted him as ing that if ne was the
mayor he would not allow himself to be
o messenger boy. want to gay most
smphatically that Mr.. Egan never
said it, and do not think would have
allowed him to say it."
1--WE understand it has been stated in
the press that you applied to Mr.. Deos
for permission to move certain things
during the strike" was asked.
That is not true. I'll give you my
statement in regard to it. We have
contract between the city OF Chicago
snd q man named Brennock for remov.
inc daad animals HiA Dlac0 Of render.