The Hawaiian gazette., 1894-01-30
of that interview as pronounced upon
them the death penalty?


naming in the country would be a
constant source of trouble to you and
your people?
The queen-I do. l feel also that if
they were sent away they should
never be permitted to return-they or
their children.
clemency. Or would you pronounce
definitely against them now?
The queen-I feel so; that they
should be permanently banished and
their children.
After a further conversation, in
which the queen said that she wanted
to conffscate the property of persons
concerned in the establishment of the
Provisional Government, so as TO pay
for the expenditure incurred by that
! Government in arming the militia,
Minister Willis again brought up the
! question of amnesty.
Mr.. Willis-I understand, from the
! fact that you have affirmed our pre-
vious conversation and from your
conversation today, that you would
not be willing to grant absolute am
nesty, both as to persons and prop
erty, to those who have either sup
ported or who have aided in setting
up the Provisional Governments; that
you feel you could not do it?
The queen-I feel l could not do it
for the safety of our subjects.
Mr.. Carter-That is, that the con-
tinued presence of these people is
continued menace.
Mr.. Willis-Do you adopt Mr.. Car
! ter's words ?
The queen-I do.
Now comes the story of the third
interview of Minister Willis with the
queen. 1t occurred at the American
legation on December IS, two days
after the previous conference, and
again Mr.. Carter appears in the role
of one who would have the queen
abandon her revengeful ideas, so as to
get back on the throne, while Minis
ter Willis is still shown to be endeav-
oring TO eXtort from her an agreement
for complete amnesty. Mr.. Carter
begins by telling the Minister that he
was quite surprised and panied at
"learning the remarks which the
queen had uttered st her first inter-
view with Minister Willis" He said
he had told the queen how deeply he
had been impressed with Mr.. Cleve-
lands utterances, as conveyed to her
by Minister Willis, and he continues:
81 have said to her majesty that it
seems TO me that the position of Mr..
Cleveland is full of difficulties and
EN- oarraSsments; that as President of
the United States he is ruler among
the nations of the earth as her majes-
ty was, and, | hope, is to be, and that
she should make the way as clear to
him to carry out his wishes to repair
the wrong done as she possibly CAN
not giving way to any personal feel
ings in the matter; that she must
leave out of consideration in the ques-
ton any idea of revenge. | told her
that | took it as the wish of the Presi-
dent that she should grant amnesty as
to life and property"
Then the report of the interview
goes on to show how Mr.. Carter
pleaded with her to abandon her idea
of killing by the wholesale.
Mr.. Carter-Is your majesty salts
fled with the statement | have made?
Is it correct?
The queen-Yes.
Mr.. Carter-Is it your wish?
The gueen-I must think moment. |
Mr.. Carter-But you said th.t you :
are not seeking the lives of these peO-
pie.
The queen-NOt their lives. / am |
willing their lives should be spared.
Mr.. Carter And their property?
The queen-Their property should |
be cOnfscated to the Government, and
they should not be permitted to re-
main in the kingdom.
Still Mr. 10 rtar continued To nIaoI
with her in the presence of Mr.. Willis.
He asked her to give the agreement
of amnesty her prayerful consider
alton; to read it over, to consider it,
and, if possible, reach another decision
before a final answer was given Presi-
dent Cleveland as to her position in
ended his plea Minister Willis had a
lew words to say:
Mr.. Willis-I understand, then, that
you said that the first interview had
with You embCdies the views of the
eaders of your people, with whom
you have been in consultation in the
present crisis?
The queen-They do.
Mr.. Withstand you have no with
travail to make this morning?
The queen-Although / have never
tated to them what | had decided
personally, still / feel there may :
re some clemency, and that clemency
hould be that they should not remain
n the country.
Mr.. Willis-That is the extent of
he clemency, that they should be re-
moved from the country instead of
eing punished according TO the laws {
f the country with death? 6
The queen-Yes.
Mr.. Willis In the limitations which t
on now make as to your clemency,
o you include their children, or Just
be parents? Last Saturday you said, g
They and their children" Do you
I'LL adhere to that judgment?
The queen-I do.
Mr.. Willis-Both parents and chill
rem should be permanently removed
ON the country and their property '
0nfiscated? r.
The queen-I do, and their property :;
1nfiseated.
Then Mr.. Willis read to the queen
lie instructions given him by the Fl
resident, saying that it would be ex- l
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