Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1894-01-15

HER CHANGE or HEART.
The Ex-oseea's second Interview
with Minister willis.
The following are extracts from the ~
port Of the second interview had BY MIN
lister willis with the ex-qusen. which were
omitted from the correspondence published
Saturday:
Her FIRST interview with Mr.. winis oc-
Cured on November le. The second took
place on December 10. and IN the mean
time she had been In conference with Mr..
J. o. Carter the brother Of the ex-ministsr,
and the effect Of his influence 10 shown
when she again appeared before the United
States minister. Mr.. Carter accompanied
her to the legation. and the stsnographAe
report Of the conference shows plainly how
he prompted her to manifest q disposition
less resentful than she had formerly main
| tained- The extracts from the report Of
the conversation are Interesting = show.
| ing the feeling OF the queen At the second
| interview
Mr.. willis-You still adhere to your judg.
ment that all OF those persons should b
punished according to the law under the
constitution Of 1887, which 10 that they
should be punished with capital punishment
and their property confiscated.
should be made they must not Be per-
mitted to remain In the country. ana thsk
their property should be conhscated.
Mr.. Carter-You do rescind 30 much oe
that interview as pronounced upon them
the death penalty?
The oueen-I do In that respect.
Mr. Carter-You feel that their remaining
In the country would be q constant source
Of trouble to you and your people?
The Queen-I do. feel also that II they
were sent away they should never be per-
mitted to return-they or their children.
Mr. Carter-Unless you exercised clem-
against them now?
The queen-I feel 30: that they should b
permanently banished and their Children.
the queen said that she wanted to coufis-
| cate the property OF persons concerned In
the establishment Of the provisional govern.
msnt, 30 q: to pay for the expenditsrs IN
| militia, Minister Willis again brought W
the question of amnesty.
Mr.. whilst understand. from the fact
| thst you have affirmed our previous con-
vsrsation and from your conversation to-
| day. that you would not be willing TO grant
absolute amnesty. both a. to persons ana
property, to those who = have either support
visional government: that you feel you
The auesn-i feel I could not DO II for the
Mr.. Carter-That In. that the continued
presence Of these people Ia continued
Mr.: winis-Do you adopt Mr. Carriers
words?
The queen-I do.
| Now comes the story OF the third inter.
view OF Minister Willis with the queen. It
occurred At the American legation % De-
cember IS. two days after the previoua con-
| ference. and again MI. Carter appears In
| the role OF one who would have the queen
ON %h. e %
| In still shown to be endeavortng to extort
from her an agreement for complete am
nesty. Mr.. Carter begins by telling the
minister that he was quite surprised and
panied at learning the remarks which the
queen had uttered at her nrst interview
| with Minister Willis" He said he had told
ed with Mr.. Cleveland's utterances. as con.
veyed to her by Minister Willis. and 10
continued:
Il have raid to her majesty that It seems 70
CT difficulties and endorsements: that -
President Of the United States he 10 Q ruler
among the nations of the earth ~ her
should make the %ss as Go Clear 70 him 70
carry out his wishes to repair the wrong
done as she possibly cannot giving way
to any personal FEELINGS in the matter: that
she must leave out Of consideration in the
question any idea OF revenge I told her
that took IL as the wish OF the President
that she should grant amnesty - to hfs
Then the report Of the interview goes On
to show how Mr.. Carter pleaded with her
to abandon her idea of killing by the whole
| sale.
Mr.. Carter-Is your majesty satisfied with
the statement I have made? L. Il correct
The Queen-Yes.
Mr.. Carter-Is Il your wish.
The Queen-I must think q moment
Mr.. Carter-But you said that you Are noe
seeking the lives Of these people.
The oueen-Not their lives. I am willing
their lives should be spared.
Mr.. Carter-And their property?
The Queen-Their property should be con.
hscated to the government and they should
not be permitted to remain In the kingdom.
Sull Mr.. Carter confined TO plsad with
her In the presence OF Mr.. VILLA. He asked
her to give the agreement OF amnesty her
&c aa s. r,s = e
decision before q nnal answer was given
President Cleveland a. to her position In
the matter; When Mr.. Carter had ended
his plea Minister Willis had q few words
Mr. wims-I understand. then. that you
said that the first interview had with zoe
emocdies the views Of the leaders OF your
people. with whom you have bssn In con
sultation In the present crisis?
| The Queen-They do.
to maze this morningf
The Queen-Aithoueh I had never stated
| to them what I had decided personally.
still feel there may be some clemency,
and that clemency should be that they
should not remain In the country.
| Mr.. Wfllis-That In the extent OF the Glenn
| ency, that they should be removed from the
country instead Of being punished accord
ing to the laws OF the country with deathf
| The Queen-Yes
Mr.. wllis-1n the limitation which you
now make as to your ciemency, DO you In
cludc their children. or just the parensf
Last Saturday you said: They and their
children" Do you stin adhere TO that judg.
| ment?
The Queen-I DO.
Mr.. Wills-Both parents and chiidrea
should be permanently removed from the
country and their property connscatedf
TIE Queen-I do. and their property con-
nscated.
Then Mr.. Willis read to the queen the in
structions given him by the President say
ing that II would be expected that the
queen would grant amnesty to al who par
ticipated in the movement against her. and
also quoted from a cipher dispatch 20 the
effect that IL the queen would not assent.
the President would cease interference IN
her behalf. The queen wanted TO know
whether President Cleveland would protect
her from any trouble ia the future n she
should grant the proposed amnesty. but
MI. Willis very automatically replied: