Birmingham age-herald., 1894-07-24

States. It placed this body in a position where it's members must gee to it that the dignity and honor of this chamber must be preserved.
 ''It places me,' said Mir. German, "in position where 1 must tell the story as 1t occurred. The limit of endurance has been reached.''
 Mir. German then proceeded to detail the history of the tariff bill after it reached the senate. and the manner in which, to meet the objections and secure the support Of Of certain disaffected democrats, the changes had been agreed upon.
 He stated emphaticaIly that during the progress oi this work Mir. Vest and Mir. Jones had frequent conferences with Secre tary Carlisle and oftentlmes with Mir. Cleveland himself.
 No maternal sacrifice of principle was made. The result was, as he had declared on previous occasion, democratic m eas- nre which, in his opinion, leaned toward the radical tariff reform sentiment and which he thought would receive the sup port of a democratic h 1use and senate and president. He believed then, as he believed now, that he had authority for that state- ment. He charged directly that every one of the senate amendments had been seen by Secretary Carlisle and scanned by him be- lore they were agreed upon. He drew from his desk and had read an interview with Secretary Carlisle on April 30, in which the secretary of the treasury gave the senate bill his sweeping indorsement.
 That interview, said MT. German, soft ened the hard places for those who were trying to harmonize differences. It did much to aid the democrats of the senate in getting together. He did not believe that the democrats Of the senate would ever have gotten together had it not been for that interview. The secretary of the treas ury necessarily spoke, in great measure, for the president in matters relating to his department. ''On the morning following the publication Of that interview the pa- pers an announced that the president was in entire harmony and accord with his great secretary of the treasury. If that was not true, then the forty-four democratic sem ators on this side of the cham Der have been mlsled.' AS compromise, MT. Gorman asserted that the bill az completed was sat- 1sfactory to not single human being in all it's details; but, as a whole, the structure presented, as scanned by the secretary of the treasury and the president, and as looked at by us, was acceptable as the best bill that could be passed.
 There was no suggestion anywhere, either from the president or the secretary of the treasury that the bill as modified was violation of democratic principles. With dramatic emphasis Mir. German called upon Messrs Vest, Jones and Voorhees to bear testimony as to whether his statements had varied hairs breadth from the truth. ''Let the people have the truth, '' said he, as he paused,
 MT. Vest arose. He began by saying that he had not himself seen the president since the repeal of the Sherman law last summer. But with the secretary of the treasury he had had frequent consultations. MT. Car lisle had repeatedly and distinctly stated to him that the greatest possible calamity that could happen would be the failure of that bill. He had distinctly stated to him that no difference in rates should be aI- lowed to stand in the way of consummation of some scheme of tariff reform. His col leage (Jones) had seen both Carlisle and Cleveland and they had both declared that the bill was acceptable to them. The bill did not suit him (VesO. He knew it must have the support of the administration to pass it, and he asked MT. Jones if the pres ident would throw the weight of his inf1u- ence in favor of it, Mir. Jones replied that the president had said to him: CT am will ing to do anything to pass the bill through congress-"
 "1f we go into this fight the president must be behind us,' 1 said.
 MT. Jones replied that he was. "There- upon, :" said MT. Vest, s'I gave up my 1t. The presidents letter was the first in- tilnation to me that he was against us.
 When MT. Vest sat down MT. Jones, who was in charge of the bill in the senate, took the floor. He was as pale as death, but showed no signs of nervousness. He realized, he said, when the bill came to the senate that it could not pass in its then form, and he had gone forth, he said, with infinite labor and pains to interview every democratic senator. He ascertained every objection they had and had carefully noted them. He had talked with MT. Carlisle about his plan and the president indorsed it as wise. Then he (Mr. Jones) had said to him: 'I will not go one step further if the administration is not behind me- l requested him to explain everything to the president. l saw the president. He told me MT. Carlisle had explained all, and he (Mr. Cleveland) said he thought we were doing the wise and proper thing.
 Among the amendments thus prepared were those placing coal and iron on the dutiable list. "Unti read Cleveland's letter to Mir. Wilson," said MT. Jones emphatically, "I believed he cordially ap- proved of our action. l had expressed to him the opinion that it must either be this modified bill or none at all, and he had re- piled that in the alternative he favored the moderate measure.'
 As MT. Jones sat down MT. German arose to resume, but MT. Villas interposed with a series of questions to MT. Jones.
 'In your interviews with the president,n asked MT. Villas, stwere the subjects of coal and iron ever mentioned?"
 ''Yes,' replied MT: Jones with ex- ton between the president and myself coal and iron were specifically mentioned" !"
 There was burst of applause from the gallery, which the presiding officer had difficulty in checking.
 "And, continued Mir. Jones with measured emphasis on each word, "the president never once uttered one solitary word against going ahead with coal and iron in the bill as then in the senate bill.o
 "One more question:" asked MT. Villas. 'Did not the president express the hope at times that iron and coal should be on the free list?b
 s'At all times yes,'' said MT. Jones, "but it was the expression of hope and the circumstances would not permit it's re- alization.''