Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-08-28
PULLMAN ON The STAND.
Important PaClS Brought Ont Relative
10 tho RlOsnt Strike.
Two hilton Dollar. In Dividends raid
the Stockholders WHITE the Mems
Wages We're Reduced.


Pullman was before the labor commits
sion for nearly two hours this alter
| noon.
lie dwclt at great length on the mo.
liyes which actualed tho company IN
building homes for the workmen at
Pullman, declaring that the town had
been msde 10 that tue beet class oI
mechanics would prefer to live there
rather than any other place. lie
further said!
III found VIZ wore being uudcfbiddeu
by other companies even wnofn We bad
figured the work down 10 cost. 1 uu.
dertOok TO make the Pullman com.
pany's bius In onder 10 secure the WORK
for our men. My recollection " that
ihe first order VI that Eind was iOr
htty.1vr CATS on the Long lsiapu rail.
road. Under my Instructions the cJHt
OF material Knd laUOT Was figured on
the basis Of a reduction Ia wage.
Then had the matter undor consider.
alton here and Ia New YORK Tor about
two weeks, and finally pus m bid for
something between $500 aud 500 a
car below actual COST 1 made up my
mind that the company would cgntfl.
hute that much rather than have tue
meu lille. Up 10 tho tine Of the strike
we had lost more than 100000 IN pur.
suing this policy. 1 explained this
personally ~ the men when they were
having their conference with Mt.
Mickvs. Nit. Hcathcote said they
wanted the wAges oi 1893. | said II
would be a most unfortunate thiDg for
all Of W u tho wages VI 1898 were ft-
stored, because there IL not more than
six weeks work ia the shop now, anu
Ne would be unable 10 get more ON n
basis Of the wages OF 1893.
Here MIR. Herman asked; "WeTe
the books shown 10 the menp
"NO, they were not, because the
msn did not Apply ~ SEQ them, aud
the strike came Ffiday.D
Turning the subject, Judge Worth.
ingt0n brought out the TACT that the
company's original capital stock OF
! Sl,OUO,O 900 In 1877 htdhnCTeafeu 10 ESQ,
OOJ, 900; thAt the company had paid
dividends VI II per cent during the
fifst two years OF its organization; 0lI
during the next two years anu 5 pcs
cent annually since, anu a. the came
time had accumulated a surplus
amounting TO s25, 900, 900.
Referring TO the stock OF the com.
pany, Mr. Pullman said II represented
actual cash paid by tho stockholders ~
the capital was nee led, anu tbs CAPT.
tai stock was Increased for ths legiti.
mate business Of the company. There
was no water In II, and none OF II Top
resented dividends.
Snow, Mf. Pullman" said Commits.
siOHcr WOrthingtOn, stalking the
whole year through, has tho Pullman
company made VI lost mOneyW
alt has made money" was the an-
swer.
"You have paid your regular divl.
dendt?"
ayes, sir; per cent"
THAT " something like s2,000,O00
you have paid out In dividends Tor the
year."
ayes; but that includes tbs latter
part VI the Wotll's FAIR season, which
was exceptional"
"Lpt me ask you, Mr.. Pullman,
whether you do not think n company
that pays dividends OF s., 900, 600 could
afford 10 share the Losses OF IT, EN-.
ployes who have worked for II 80
long?"
"rhe manufacturing business Is sep.
gtate from the business OF the sleeping
car company. / 500 no rea,on why 1
should take the profits OF 1900 stock
holders In the Pullman blrcpiug Car
company aud pay men higher rate OF
wages than was paid Ia other parts Of
the country for the came work, or than
was paid by other companies for tho
same work."
"Has the Pullman company during
the yeafB OF its prosperity, ever ad.
yanced the wng6s OF It's employees vol
uutsrlly2n
~ 10 not know as 20 that. IL has
always sought to pay fair wagtF,"
"WhRt do you see that II objection
able In submitting difference like
this 20 arbiirauOng'
"Thefo arc sone matters that a'o
proper subjects VI nfultfstion, but l
cannot afhilrato Qua question where 1
know thu facts TO be- thus an1 80. The
question a. ~ whether 0urHhops should
continue 10 run ut q less Is thing that
could not be- Rrbi,raled,"
"Why was 10 imuOisiblt?"
"Because it violates tAr principle
that man has a right to manage his
own buuintss."
"Suppose the arhlirnton were to say
to you; we sec ycu arc losing: but
these men have beuu wish you a long
while; you can aiiOrl % snare their
loases; we think you should at least
ray living wages' What would you
say 10 thai2"
My point at the time was to work
with tue men aud secure tue uisbutse-
muut Of the large suns involved Ia the
contracts atd lose money fJr tbs cOu.
pauy u the men would agree TO Dear
their share Ia reduction VI 20 10 20
Der cent ~ their wages"
Judge WOrlhingtOn wanted 10 know
wherein II was wrong 10 take ths
money Of tue stockholders and pay
higher wages when the management
wa, roady 70 take contracts at u loss,
or take tho slgckhollers' money 10
Keen the pllnt going, Mr.. Pullman
an, \ tue execution OF the contracts a
a loss was better for tho plant than
idlBnUes."
esq., interrupted Mr.. KEENAN,,
Uyou had that In view as woil ~ tue
emlloyment VI the meu? HUl did