St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-08-31

men to use their own Judgment. He
said that he was discharged for alleged
activity in the strike. The witness told
of the fight at Blue Islam on June 90
whea four hundred deputy marshals
stood by and saw their chief, Logan
be ten by the crowd, and related various
incidents of car burning and blockad'
ing. He had been informed, he said
that deputy marshal named Davidson
had burned ears aud that Davidson did
not deny the story
w. F. Guion, a reporter, was next
called. He went over the Incidents of
the strike at Blue Island, Burnside,
Fordham and Pullman He saw the
cars burning at Burnside. He found
only three railroad men In the nearest
crowd, which was three blocks away.
The railroad men were trying to dis
perse the crowd. One of these men said
the instructions from the A. R. U. head.
quarters were to drive away all persons
who might be inclined to damage prop
erty. and if they would not go to cause
their arrest. Debs and Howard after
wards asked witness il he could not
help the order aud cause the arrest OF
the men engaged i'll violence. but he
told them he was not detective.
Vice President Howard, of the A. R.
u; was again called to the stand. Mr..
Howard denied that he had advised
violence, and declared that he had al
ways counseled moderation and de-
nounced lawlessness. His only remarks
OF "incendiaryS character, he SAID. were
the advice he had given the men to use
coupling pins on A. p. A. representa-
tives, or any other similar class of
people, who might endeavor TO stir up
ences In religion. He denounced the A.
P. A.. and explained how emissarieS of
the corporations had frequently endeav-
oreI to foment discussions In labor
organizations on account of religion.
Secretary Kelliher.- of the A. R. u,
and Mayor Hopkins testified at the
afternoon session. After the hearing
the commission adjourned to meet in
Washington Sept. 26.
Howard Queriey.
Mr.. Howard then suggested that the
following questions should be put to the
general managers, one of whom he sup
posed would take the stand this after
noon:
Ibid the strikers at any time interfere
10 prevent you carrying mails If Pull
man cars were not attached to the same
train?
Gould you not at all times have
transported the mails without Interrupt
hoI OF tal
tachlng Pullman cars to the same
tram?
WAS your contract with the govern
ment to transport the mails any less
binding upon you than your contract
with the Pullman company, or was one
contract i'll any sense made dependent
upon the other?
Ibid your company have a contract
with the government to transport the
mills?
WAS your contract dependent upon
your ability to transport Pullman cars?
ibid your contract with the Pullman
company provide that you should not
carry the mails unless you took Pull
man cars on the same train"'
Commissioner Herman did not know
that the commission would have oppor-
tunlty to put the questions, but they
Howard also desired investigation OF
Pullman'S reported statement that the
general managers had threatened to
boycott him il he consented TO arbitrate
with the A. Il. U. He further said the
American Railway union would show
by tue testimony Of Mayor Hopkins,
who was expected to take tue stand this
afternoon, that the A. R...U. had been
more active than the general managers
In securing the arrest of persons en-
gagged in violence.
Mayor Hopkins Testified
at some length regarding the attitude of
the police during the strike. He de-
clared that they had done their duty at
all times. lie frankly acknowledged
that lie was in sympathy with the
striking employees of the Pullman com
pany as he had been an empioye of the
company and knew what the men had
to endure. Upon the matter OF the
message of f. V. Debs tn the general
managers association, the mayor said:
July l3, Mr.. Debs and MIR. Howard
and MIR. Keliher, of the A. X. o.. called
and presented communication to the
railway managers. asking me to take it
over to them. They asked that all the
men be taken back, not as members of
the A. r. u. but as individuals, ex.
cepting those who had committed viO-
lence in the strike. When got there
the board had adjourned, and handed
it to Mr.. st. John. MIR. st. John in
formed me that they did not desire to
receive any communications from
that source. but would receive
it in view of the fact that the
mayor of Chicago brought il
there, l want to say this In
regard to MIR. Egan. The papers
quoted him as saying that if he were
the mayor he would not allow himself
to be made messenger boy for those
men. l want 10 say most emphaticaiiy
that MIR. Egan never said that to me.
and do not think L would have al.
lowed hin to Say it,"
1--WE understand that it has been
stated in the press that you applied to
Mr.. Debs for permission 10 move GER
tain trains during the STRIKE"
That Is not true. Pli give you my
statement in regard to it. We have a
contract between the city of Chicago
aud man named Brennock for remoy.
ing dead animals.
His place of rendering them is in In
diana some place. He called at my
office one day anG he stated that there
was IRAN of dead animals down in the
ydIu. anu tHey were becoming offensive
and he could not get them out. | sent
my secretary over to the headquarters
of the A. X. o., and they sent crew
down 10 pull them out, but when they
went 10 report to the officials of the
railroad they put them on train loaded
with meat. and they pulled that out a
distance and found they were deceived
and abandoned the train"
After the mayor had explained the
dead horse episode the commission ad-