The morning call. [volume] (San Francisco [Calif.]) 1878-1895, 1894-08-31
KEPT THE PEACE.
A. R. U. Leaders Opposed
Violence.
HOWARD PUTS QUESTIONS.
Which in Ali Probability Will
Not Be Answered.
HOWARD PUTS QUESTIONS.
MR.. PULLMAN's CONTRACT FIRST
Railroad Managers Held 1t in Prefer.
ence to Their Agreement With
the Government.

CHICAGO. Aug. 30.-Contrary to expecta-
tion rebuttal testimony was heard today
by the strike commission.
w. X. Mooney, Northern Pacific switch
man Of Blue Island. said Debs and How
ard had not advised the men to strike
They had told the men to use their own
Judgment He was discharged for alleged
activity in the strike. Witness told of the
fight at Blue Island June so, when 400
marshals stood by and saw their chief, Lo-
gan. beaten by the crowd.
w. +. GuioD, a reporter, was next called
he went over the incidents of the strike at
Blue Island, Fordham and Pullman. He
saw the cars burning at Burnside. He
found only three railroad men in the
nearest crowd, which was three blocks
away. The railroad men were trying TO
disperse the crowd. One of these men
said the instructions from the A. r. u.
we're TO drive away all persons who might
be inclined to damage property, aud if
they would not 90 to cause their arrest
Debs and Howard afterward asked wit
ness if he could help the order and cause
the arrest of the men engaged in violence,
but he told them be was not a detective.
Vice-President Howard of the A. r. U.
was again called to the stand. Mr.. How
ard denied that he had advised violence
and declared that he had always coun-
seled moderation. and denounced lawless-
ness. His only remark of an "incendiary"
character, he said, was the advice he had
given the men to use coupling-pins on
A. 7. A. representatives or any other
class who might endeavor to stir up
frnx Ia in fEas lgec-
ence in religion. He denounced the A. p.
A. and explained how its emissaries had
frequently endeavored to foment dissen-
sions in labor organizations on account of
religion.
Mr.. Howard then suggested the follow
ing questions should be put to the general
managers, one of whom be supposed would
take the stand this afternoon.
Did the strikes at any time interfere
with your carrying the mails If Pullman
cars were attached to the same train?
Could you not at all times transport the
mails without interruption if you had not
insissed upon attaching Pullman cars to
same train?
Was your contract with the Government
to transport mails any less binding upon
yOu-than your contract with the Pullman
Company, or was one contract in any sense
made dependen; upon the other?
Did your company have a contract with
the Government TO transport the mails?
Was your contract dependent uyon your
ability to transport Pullman cars?
Did your contract with the Pullman
Company provide that you should not
carry the mails unless you took Pullman
cars on the same train?
Commissioner Herman did OF know that
the commissioners would have opportunity
to put the questions, but they were al
lowed to go on record.
Howard also desired an Investigation of
Pullm ans reported statement that the
general managers had threatened to bow
colt him il he onsented TO arbitrate with
the A. r. u. He further said that the
union would show by the testimony of
Mayor Hopkins that the A. r. U. had
been more active than the general mana.
gers In securing the arrest Of persons en-
gagged in violence.
Mayor Hopkins testified at some length
regarding the attitude of the police during
the strike. He declared that they had done
their duty at all times. He Acknowledged
that be was in sympathy with the strikers
and against Pullman. Jas he had been an
employe OF the road aud knew what an
employe had to endure.
Upon the matter of the message from
Debs to the General Managers Associ-
alton the Mayor said: "On July 90 Debs.
Howard and Keliher of the A. r. u.
called and presen ted a communication 10
the railway man ayers, asking me TO take il
over to them. They asked that all men be
taken back. not as members of the A. r.
o., but as individuals, except those who
had committed violence during the strike,
When got there the board had adjourned.
and | handed it to Mr.. St. John. Mr.. St.
John informed me that they did not de-
sire to receive my communications from
that source, but wou Id receive it In view
of the fact that the Mayor Of Chicago
brought it, l say this in regard to Mr..
Egan. The papers quoted him as saying
that il he was the Mayor he would not
allow himself to be made messenger
boy. l want to say most emphatically
that Mr.. Egan never said it. aud do not
think | would have allowed him to say it."
1--WE understand that il has been stated
in the press that you applied to Mr.. Debs
for permission to move certain things
during the strike" was asked.
1naI Is not tTues III give you my
statement iu regard to ii. We have con-
tract between the city of Chicago and
man named Brennock for removing dead
animals. His place of rendering them is
in Indiana some place. He called at my
Office one day and stated that there was a
train OF dead animals down in the yards
and they were getting offensive, and he
could not get ihem out. l sent my secre-
tary over TO the A. r. u. headquarters,
and they Immediately sent down a crew to
pull them out, but when they went to re-
port to the officials of the railroad they
we're put on train loaded with meat, and
they pulled that out distance and focnd
they were deceive aud abandoned the
train."
After the Mayor had explained the dead
horse episode the commission adjourned.