New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1894-06-13
MR. HAVEMEYER TESTIEIES.
TELLS ABOUT HIS INTERVIEWS WITH
SENATOR'S

Washington. June i2.-Henry o. Havemeyer'
president Of the American Sugar Refining Com
panv was the only witness examined 'o-uaS "N
the Sugar Trust investigators. lie cauSeu So''e
establishment among the members CT the con'"n.'Ve
b, his statement that he had never seen iresideht
Cleveland.
Senator Gray read the statement contained in
"1bo PHILADELPHIA Press that the witness was
present I'm the summer of 1888 after MT CleVeIa'u
nomination with Mr.. Benedict. either on ms Yavn'
or in conversation at Greenwich Conn '"h're '''
Hayemeyer resides) consulting about the sugar IN
terests they were anecteu w '"V "'' -
the Hawaiian Islands.
There is not word of truth IN H. Sdlp NJ
Havemeyer. He also denied the allegations III me
Prcss" article that the Sugar Trust was ole"''~c'
with reference TO its influence on the '"o h'e'.
political parties In regard 10 the statement that
the Trust on the whole. is a Democratic a"socid-
ton the witness said 1t was not So
The Chairman-I have already asked you about
the conversation Mr. Edwards alleged you had VITA
Mr. Cleveland either IN Greenwich or on the yacht
In the summer of 1892 or the summer OF 1898 pid
YOU ever have such conversation anywhere
Mr. Havemeyer-I never exchanged word with
Mr. Cleveland or was in his company in my iie'
and l have never seen the man.
The Chairman--You have never seen him
Mr.. Havemeyer-I have never seen Mr.. CleVe-
land either in New-York or elsewhere. Nor nave
I ever exchanged a word with Mr.. Benedict on the
subject of sugar or any other business matter what
ever
With reference to the statement in The Press
about meeting between Senators ana sugar trust
men in Mr. Terren's In the Arlington Hoiei'
Mr. Havemeyer said that some time IN March Ne
was In Mr. Terrell's room. where Senators Brice
and Smith, and II. l.. Reed. Of Boston Were present
There was nothing said in that interview ABOUT the
OBLIGATIONS Of the Democratic party 10 me sugar
Trust lie had been requested TO so 10 Mr. ler-
reu's room and found Mr. Brce there. Mr. Terrell
ssIIor d ann
Senators what you know about sugar Mr. Have
never sent for his sample boxes OF sugar ana DE-
iivered lecture on the subject senator Shn''h
came in later, and the witness made some aHnson
TO the wrangling he and Mr. Brice had ABOUT sugar
The Charman-You said you had been having
wrangie with Mr.. Brlce over sugar?
Mr. Havemeyer-Brice and l got hot ever the
matter before finished it,
The Chairman-In what way and on what ac-
count?
Mr.. Havemeyer--I said something about the
Democratic party that he took umbrsge at
thought
The Charman-What was said?
Mr. Havemeyer-I said that the Democratic party
were put into power. not to des roy any industry
but to take suitable and proper are OF every IN
dustry and that this selection Of the sugar rehhhs
industr" Of the United States for attack was III
famous s. party proceeding.
The Chairman-What did Mr. Brice say to that?
Mr. Havemeyer-B said he thought the Demo
cratic party felt disposed 10 be fair about the ma'
ter but did not appear TO have ANYBODY VINO "ou'l
shoulder the incubus OF the Sugar Trust; that ne
was not particularly interested in it, as II was not
an industry Of his State. but as Senator ne
wanted TO do what was fair and right in the mat
ter and would like TO hear further exposition OF
the subject
When Mr.. Smith came in. said Havemeyer. the
conversation on sugar had ceased. and the suD)ec'
was not again referred to. The talk was merely
desultory
The Chalrman-Was there any statement made oy
YOU or anybody else there. or Mr.. Smith, or MT
Brice that the bill would be beaten If sugar dd not
get fair treatment?
Mr. Havemeyer-NO sir
The Chair1nan-Did you on that occasion or any
other occasion turn to Senator Smith and ask him
bluntly brusque.y or otherwise. what ne was gong
TO do 10 maintain the pledges OF the party leaders
the men. and TO secure satlsiaciofy
schedule?
Mr.. Havemeyer-No, sir.
The witness denied positively the allegation OF a
meeting at the Capitol on sunday between members
OF the Sugar Trust. Democratic members Of the
Finance Committee and the louisiana Senators. Inc
witness had come TO Washington in regard 10 mat
tiers pertaining 10 the interests Of The American
Sugar Refining Company lie intended 10 20 before
the Senate Finance Committee to argue his case
but the committee decided not TO hear anybody. lie
went 10 senator Vest. member OF the Finance
Committee AMI asked for hearing by the senator
gone 10 Mr.. Vests house and used his sugar sam
piles 10 demonstrate the necessity for al valorem
rate duty. lie mad seen senator Nesl iwlcs OF "
and had not on either o. lnrSs Tv e,ng
debte1 10 the sugar interest The witness sai1 tne
meSan S1g@r Ke3ns SgmP4ay nI NsoHs com
mtee He had also Senator Jones. or Arkdh-
sag and explained to him the necessity for an al
valorem duty This was az the house OF senator
Camden whom the witness had known long tine
He had also seen Sena Jones the iatters house
He IA nothing
OF the Democratic party 70 me sugar trust OF
The Charrnan-What other Senators dd YOU see
on this business than those you have already
S Mr. HSvemeyer-I saw Hnl twice at his rooms.
The Chairman-Any others? ~,
Mr.. Havemeyer-No, tried to see DINERS but dld
''v Senator Iodge-Senator German?
Mr.. Havemeyer-Oh. German saw German
ness and he went the Senator'S house where
he met & cs s6 n r c t9s{ n@a axc idK
he had told to other Senators, ana also that 1t was
OF duty al vaOrem irrespective OF what the rate
That was the only occasion. ne said. when he had
met any Senator a. Mr.. Brice's house.
MIR Havemeyer said he called twice on Senator
used the argument with him that he had used with
the other senators lie used no otner fs'hrnS
number OF men In New-York state. and Mr.. H,l
ought to take some interest in 1t. In answer to
HilI Of any indebtedness of the Democratic party
dividuas connected with T..
The Chairman-Did he agree TO take some Interest
in TT
Mr. HavPmeyer-No. sir.
The Chairman-Did he decline TO take any In
terest in II!
Mr.. Havemeyer-No, sir. He said he was domin-
ated by other interests at the moment think al
the first interview no had the Pcckham matter In
hand and the second Interview had The income
the brain. felt that New-Iork Senator
ought to be big enough. besides these side Issues
70 have the interests OF his State In charge and my
visit with the intention TO take an active In
which
Congressional action.
Mr. Havemeyer said he had known Secretary car
Isle fifteen years and had called hin ct his
house before the Finance Committee reported the
Tariff bill