The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1894-04-18
THE MOODY METHODS.
Dir. CARNICAABL GIVES THE COR
REsP0NDENCE 70 THE PUBLIC.
Letters from Mr.. Arthur to tho Minister
and His Letters to Mr.. Arthur and
secretary Tibbitts.

church. took In regard 10 a circular let
ter and inquiry card sent him by MI
George f. Tibbitts, secretary of the Y.
NJ. c. A.. published exclusively In Sun
days Times. created an unusual amount
Of interest in Richmond.
The correspondence, which was kept
secret at first by those interested, has
been given to the public by DR.. car
michael. and 1t Is perhaps a matter OF
Justice TO him as TO others concerned.
as The Times was the first paper TO pup
lish the facts. TO lay the full text OF the
letters before the readers of this paper
The following, taken from the Richmond
Evening Star. includes the entire CORE
spondence. with the exception Of Mr.. I'D
bits circular, which was published yes
terday:
st. Paul's Rectory,
April 2. 1894.
Sir: Yours of March 31st to hand. 1t IS
quite outside Of my work to follow UP
as quickly as possible" the particulars
of enclosed card. You have undertaken
work. and il is proper you should finish
II, and not do the easy part Of 1t ana
then expect busy ministers, who have
their focks to attend to, to do the latter
for you. As the paid servant Of the Young
Mems Christian Association it Is only
right that you should follow up your
converts Mr. is not known TO me,
but il he is in earnest and wishes TO join
the church, | am always at his service.
If he will call and see me. The only proof
we have of true conversion Is the Wiling
ness Of the professor TO do something TO
show he is in earnest. Professors ought
Oh. hA "a al
act for themselves. / waited in all Sat
urday expecting to see Mr. -----' Tor
a conversation that / had with Mr.. Ar
| thur one of your workers, but Mr.. ------
| did not appear. ] would advise you If
Won wish the Young Mems Christian AS
| sociation to grow to refrain from the
| tone YOU adopt in your business circu-
lar. If a soul is worth saving II Is worth
a personal letter
Yours respectfully,
(Signed) HARTLEY CARMICHAEL.
Mr.. ARTHUR on cHRIsT's MISSION.
DIR. CarmichaeI's answer TO Mr.. Tibbitts
| is dated April %, and on April "a he re-
ceIved from Mr.. Arthur the subjoined
| communication. which is written on the
| letterhead of Richmond Local Council,
| brotherhood Of ST. Andrew of the Pro-
| testant Episcopal Church:
Richmond. Va, April 3, 1894.
Rev Hartley Carmichael:
Dear Sir.-Your letter Of the % instant
addressed to the secretary OF the Young
Mems Christian Association. was handed
TO me. and words cannot express my
modification to find that it came from
| an Episcopal clergyman, and one that is
called a minister OF the Gospel Of Jesus
| Christ Quoting from your letter "as the
paid servant Of the Young Mems Chris
tan Association, it is only right that you
should follow up your own converts,
permit me to say that the Young Mems
Christian Association is NOT \ CHURCH.
nor does it pretend to be such. but IT
does propose by the power of the Holy
Ghost TO win men for the Master, and
when they are fully persuaded to become
Christians, to recommend them TO the
church of their choice. Feeling specially
interested i'm Mr.. - / called on you
personally Saturday. and after leaving
you went to the house of Mr.. -. and
found out from him that he could not
call on you Saturday. but could do so
Monday evening at o'clock. / sent
you a note asking reply by bearer or
postal. if Monday evening would be
agreeable. which you did not deign to
answer. | quite agree with you that. 1.-The
only proof we have Of true conversion
is the willingness of the professor to do
something to show he is in earnest. The
blessed Mater not only came to save,
but to seek the lost. | am sure that
Christ's ambassadors should deem it a
privilege to seek those who desire 10
become members of His Church. | regret
that / should have troubled you, as it
is quite outside your work. and as a busy
minister you have to look after your
own flock. Respectfully.
(Signed) p. AUGUSTUS ARTHUR.
DE-. cARMIcHAFL's CAUsTIc REPLY.
Mr.. Arthur is secretary and treasurer
of the above-named council Of st. An
drew Brotherhood. In reply to his com
munication DR.. Carmichael wrote:
st. Paul's Rectory,
April 4, 1894.
Mr.. p. A. Arthur:
Dear Sir,-Your letter Of the Cd April
TO hand. | cannot express my astonish-
ment to find that the writer of ii is a
member of ST. Andrews Brotherhood-a
body belonging to the Protestant Episco-
pal Church. whose members are bound
by obligations TO that Church. / am older
than you are, was converted probably
before you were born. and il is the first
time that | have received a lecture on
the duty Of the ministry from a person
who apparently does not know much
about IL. and who processes, as | suppose
you do, from the heading of your letter,
to be a member of the St Andrews
Brotherhood. If the brotherhood is TO
become hindrance TO the Church, as it
will assuredly II ii is composed OF young
men who go into II 10 criticise the Church
and lis ministers, not understanding IT
Z
the better, but as l know that case like
yours is local, / would not judge the
brotherhood from this isolated case
WORK OF THE Y. NJ. c. A.
Now for your letter: You say 1.-THE
Young Mems Christian Association is not
a church." but IL is always assuming that
ii U.s. No bishop could issue more
authoritative circular than the very i'm
pertinent one sent me by the Young Mems
Christian Association secretary; its SER
vices are held during church hours and
il threatens, In my mind, If 1t does not
attend TO its original work. TO become
one more sect amongst the many. l de-
scribed the gentleman who conducts the
business of the association as paid
secretary SO he is i am paid, and am
not ashamed TO be told | am paid. am
Maid TO do certain work. and | try TO do
Il as we'll as | can. If Mr.. Tibbitts Is
not paid, and is an honorary secretary.
| have made a mistake, and Withdraw
the word paid.
Now, my good and well-meaning young
friend, surely it Is to say the least, pre-
sumptuous for you 10 lay down the law
as to what shall be the conduct of one
whom you acknowledge to be an Episco-
pal clergyman, and doubt whether he is
q no