The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1894-06-05

Story Had Not the Slightest Sig
nificance-IcPherson and De Witt
Warner Also Testify.
Washington, June 4.-Senator Gray
as chairman of the special committee
investigating the alleged operations OF
the Sugar trust in connection with
tariff legislation today submitted to
the Senate the second batch of testi-
mony taken before that committee con-
corning the examination of all the
Democratic members of the finance
committee. including VOORHEES,, Jones,
Harris, Vest. Mcpherson, Mills, Secre-
tary Carlisle and John Dewitt Warner,
of the House of Representatives.
Interviews Were Faxed.
Senator Mills denied all knowledge
of the reported secret interviews of
Secretary Carlisle on the sugar ques-
ton, and said that he and Senator
Jones and Senator Vest had prepared
the sugar schedule as first reported,
and he knew nothing of any memo
randum of the schedule from the secre-
tary. He also denied all knowledge of
the alleged Sunday conference of the
finance committee with those inter-
ested in securing legislation. He SAID
he had never heard of the Sugar trust
being in the capitol while he was act
ing as a. member of the finance commit
tee, and that he had never met any
Of the members of the trust The letter
of Introduction was merely a formal
IN
He declined to see Mr.. Havemeyer.
Mr. Mills also denied any knowledge
of contributions to the Democrat tic cam
paign fund.
Carlisle Takes the Stand.
Secretary Carlisle's statement, as it
appears in the published testimony, is
not materially different from that
given to the press, officially, the day
after he was before the committee, but
some points are presented in greater
detail. His memory does not cores
pond with that of Senator Jones as to
the time and place he was asked to put
the sugar schedule into shape. Mr.
Carlisle stated that Mr. Jones had re-
quested him to have the sugar schedule
prepared on the morning Of Saturday,
the 5th of May and had come to his
house for the purpose and had handed
him memorandum stating what he
wanted done. He had agreed to do
this as the service was one the treasury
department was in the habit of render
ing the members of the finance COM
mittee. After he went to his Office he
dictated the schedule providing for the
ad valorem duty of 40 per cent. and thu,
additional Is of a cent on sugars above
No. Is Dutch standard. At o'clock,
that day, he went to the capitol in
response to a telephone message re-
questing his presence, taking the
sugar schedule, which he had put in
shape, with him. He found Senators
Jones, Vest and Mcpherson and Repre-
sentative Breckenridge in the room of
the Senate committee on Appropriations
and Senator German came in after
wards.
after talking some time said Mr..
Carlisle. 'it was suggested by some one
and I am not able now to state by
whom, but certainly not by me, for /
made no original uggestion-that, in
stead of having 40 per cent ad valorem
upon all sugars and Il of a cent ad-
ditional on sugars testing above IS
Dutch standard in color there should
be a duty of 40 per cent. upon all
sugars below No. 16 Dutch standard in
color, the additional 5 per cent. being.
you will observe, equal to X of the 40
per cent. on the other grades.
That was talked about while it was
not agreed to-because as l say there
was only two members of the finance
committee observation-disclosures Jones and
Vest-it seemed TO be the impression
that they would submit that kind of a
proposition to the committee. There
upon, some one asked me if l would
not write it. I said: L will just take
this amendment, which | have in my
hand and interline' In addition to
that they said they wanted to put into
the amendment a clause relating to
the Hawaiian treaty. They wanted to
insert a clause that this schedule
should not abrogate, or in any man
ner impair the provisions of the Ha-
waiian treaty and asked me if I could
not write that also. l said: L will
just take this paper and interline it
l took out the part which provided for
one-eighth of one cent per pound adj
ditional, and put in the provisions for
45 per cent. ad valorem. Then l added
to it, in my own handwriting-al the
provisions now contained in it regard
ing the Hawaiian treaty, just as it is
today"
Mr.. Carlisle then told of his visit to
the capitol Sunday. explaining how
the visit came 10 be made, to correct
the discrepancy in the schedule, which,
had it not been corrected would have
left sugar without either a, duty or
bounty from July 1, 1894, to January l,
1885. This occurred to him, and not
finding Senator Jones in his home, he
had driven to the capitol to make the
suggestion that the bill should be pro-
vided for, when to his surprise, he had
found Senators Jones, Vest and Nc
Pherson and Representative sBreckin-
ridge at work on the tariff amendments
which were to be introduced the fol-
lowing day. He was then told that
the amendment which he had inter
lined, changing the duty on refined
sugar from the compound rate of 40
per cent, had been abandoned, and he
had simply said: 'All right, and
came away. Closing this part of what
may be called his direct testimony.
Mr.. Carlisle said: THE amendment
which 1 prepared by interlineations I
handed to Senator Jones as 1 passed
through. going out of the capitol on
that Saturday afternoon, and | have
never seen it since Now it seems that
some person. do not know who it is
has seen that amendment in my hand
writing. undoubtedly from the state
ment from the senator which has Just
been read to me, and as far as 1 am
concerned it may be published to the
whole world and read in the Senate or
any place else. 1t was simply a; com
pliance with the request of Senator
Jones and the others present, and on