The Helena independent. [volume] (Helena, Mont.) 1875-1943, 1894-06-05
THAT SUGAR SCHEDULE.
Secretary Cavlisle Tells How Hs
Cams TO Write Some
Paragraphs
Not at All influenced by Party
Obligation to tho Sugar
Trust
mcrhoraon EEpiains tho Process of Spec.
neutrality-suspicious. Warner OF
New York, Gives Evidence.

NeW hofht NlNts Efld0ncos
WARRINGTON, June i.-In the sugar In
vsstiRation to-day Senator Mills denied all
knowlodgs OF tho reported interview with
sserstary Carlisle ON sugar. aud said be
and Senator Jones and senator Yes. had
prepared the sugar schedule 80 fret re-
ported, and he knew nothing Of q memoir
nndum OF n schedule from tho ascfetaty.
he also denied all knowledge OF the silsps 4
sunday conference OF the iiuance commit
tee with tbose interested In sseurinG legis-
lasion; said be had never heard Of mem bors
ofihe gar trust being in the capitol while
acting % member OF the finance commit
wee. and had never met any such member
OF the rusL The letter of introdue elton by
Havsmeyer was merely oimal note. oon-
tanning only two or three lines. lie de-
clinsd TO 500 Hsvsmeysr. Mills also do.
MED any knowledge OF contributions to the
democratic campaign fund.
Secretary Carlisle Q stutsmont, az 10 ap-
pesrs In the published testimony, Ia not
materially different from that given to the
press officially the day after he was before
tho committee. but some points are pro-
sented In greater detail. His memory does
not correspond with that OF senator Jones
as TO shs time and place be was asked to
put the sugar schedule into shape. Car
Isle stated that Jones had requested hun
10 have a sugar schedu pref ared on the
morning OF Saturday. MAY o. He had
ag'eed to do this as the service wss one
the easury department was 10 the habit
Of rendering members OF the finance com-
miitee. After he went TO the ofics he dic-
tated a schedule providing for an sd
valorsm duty Of 10 per cent. and an addi-
sional one-siRhth OF one cent on sugars
above No. 16 Dutch standard. Al two
O'clock that day he went to the capitol in
response to a telephone msssnge requesting
his presence. taking the sugar schedule,
which he had nut In shape. with him. He
found senators Jones. Vest and MoPhet-
sou and Representative Breckenridge in
the room OF the senate committee on ap.
rroptiations, and Senator German came In
afterwards.
after talking some time" said Carlisle
III was suggested by some one-and l AM
tainly not by me. for i made no original
suegsstion-that instead q. having 40 ree
cent ad valorem upon all sngars and one
eighth OF one cent additional on auRafs
,testing above No. 16 Dutch stsndafd In
color, there should be duty OF As per cent
upon oil sugars below 16 Dutch standard In
color. the additional five per cent being,
you will observe, equal to ono-sigh.h Of the
10 per cent on osher grades. That was
talked about and some one asked me II 1
would not write ID. said, 4 will just take
this smenduent, which i have In my hand.
and interiine IL
I'm addition TO that they said they wanted
70 put into the amendment q clause that
this schedule should not abfogats or In any
manner impair the provisions OF tho HA-
wAiian treaty. and asked me II / could not
write that also. said; 4 will just take
this paper and intsrline H. Itook out the
part which provided for one-sighth OF one
cent Yer pound additional. and pot in the
provision for forty per oeni ad valo-
rsm. Then added 10 II. in my own hand
writing. all tho provisions nov contained
in IL regarding the Hawaiian treaty, Just as
10 10 to-day"
Carlisle then told OF his visit 10 the cap
itol, Sunday. explaining bow this visit
came 10 be made. to correct n disc. epanoy
In the schedule which, had 10 not besn cor
ieoted. would have left sugar without either
duty o. bounty from July l. 1894. 90
Jan. l, 1895. To his surprise he found rem
ators Jones. Vest and MePhsrson and Rep.
resentative BroekinridRs at work on tho
tariff amendments which were to be intro
ductd the following day. lie was then
told the amsndmsnt which he had intet-
lined had been abandoned, and be had SIM
ply said "All right" and enms away.
Closing this part Of what may be called
his direct testimony, Carlisle said; The
amendment which prepared by inteflin-
cations l handed to Senator Jones as
passed through going out OF the capitol on
that Saturday afternoon, aud havs never
seen ID since. As far as i am concerned 10
may be published TO the whole world aud
read in the senate or any placs elss. i,
was simply In compliance with the request
Of ssnAtor Jones aud others present"
Uron being asked by Senator Lodge
whether hs had advised the finance COM
nii,,ee az TO whether IL was bst,ei 10 have
nd valorem or specific duties, Carlisle said;
IL have always been In favor OF an ad
vRlorem duty. but do not remombe' that
gave them any such opinion then. There
wna very little said about II. l may say
slso that have always boon In favor Of a
moderate duty on sugar AZ revenue hfti-
Gle. aud prepared the nino,ity report on
the Mckinley bill sgainst the provisions
putting augar on the free lliut."
Carlisle denied emphAtienlly that he ever
made a ssoiet call upon the finance com
mittee OF made n demand nj on them 10
pTotect sugar beohuss OF the democratic
pattv's obligation 20 the suRar trust.
Senator hcPherson'a testimony WAS de-
voted largely 70 an explanation OF stock
purchases aud the method OF oonducting Y
them. He said ho had not Agl esd with tho
nnAnee committee as 10 tbe sugar schedule.
II did not" he said. favor tho sugar
schedule" bat he added that he had never
said anything about the democratic party
being Under Obligations 10 members OF the
sugar trust He said that II his counsel
had been tAkon the Wilson bill would have
been accepted by the senate committee
without amendment. He said be had never
come In contract With any Of the sugar
rshnefs except Mr.. searlea. who had called
on him Ia his houai aud demonstrated
against the setdnl3 ho had y esentsd In
cOmmlttos, said hs had heard the atats-
neut made that the sugar rennors were In
the habit OF giving tho democratic sido n
small contribution and the republicans a
large ons. Mepheraop STATED that while
he kept an Office on Wall street aud he had
been in tho habit for the past seven or
eight ears Of buying stocks 40 an invest
ment, and selling them, he had not oUnsid-
cred hinSelf an operator In the usual
acceptance OF the term.
Questions put by senators Allen and
Eayis develot cd tho fact shat Senator Mo-
Pnerson'a con had made n proht of about
~, 900 on sugar stock bought on the 22d
aud aold GU the 2Jth OF febTnArJ. Senator
Mepbsreon stated IL had been vsty dsn-
nitely decided between himself and aon
that the teleefaphlo order for sugar stock
Of Feb. ~ was not 90 bo sent aud that hia
son went 90 New io h the night 10 vas
written. lilo thought the order had heon
| oareleasly left on desk aud had bosn iu-
adyrrtsntly sent by a servant.
Representative John De witt WAfnOi
uoa sxnmlnaa an tha hs.ta ~ /. .auanan.s