The morning news., 1894-06-13

MI. HaVemeYer-NO, sir. When MIR
Smith came in the conversation on sugar
haa ceased and the subject was not again
referred to. The talk was merely desul-
tory.
The Chairman-Was there any state
ment made by you,or anybody else, there,
or Mr.. Smith or Mr.. Brice, that the bill
would be beaten if sugar did not get fair
treatment?
MIR. Havemeyef-No sir.
The Chairman-Did you on that oc-
casion, or any other occasion, turn to
Senator Smith and ask him bluntly, or
otherwise, what he was TO do to maintain
the pledges of the party leaders to the
sugar men, and to secure a satisfactory
schedule!
Mr.. Havemeyer-No sir.
The Chairman-Did Senator Smith
then or at any other time, reply to YOU.
or say to you, that he did not see what
he could then do, but there was also this
consolation, that if they could not secure
the schedule they wanted they could
surely defeat the bill, leaving the present
law operative2
Mr. Havemeyer-No.
NO MEETING AT THE CAPITOL.
The witness denied positively the al
legation of a meeting at the capitol
one Sunday between members of the
sugar trust, democratic membe rs of the
finance committee and the Louisiana
senators. Senator Caffery had not
drafted any sugar schedule while
he looked over his shoulders
Further more, he had never been in the
capitol building to see any of the sena-
tors and representatives about sugar The
witness had come to Washington in re-
gard to matters pertaining to the interest
of the American Sugar Refining Com
pany. He intended to 20 before the
Senate finance committee to argue his
case, but the committee decided not to
hear anybody. He went to Senator
Vest, member of the finance
committee, and asked that he be given a
hearing by the senator himself This
was granted and the witness had gone to
Mr.. Vests house and used his sugar sam
pies in advocating the necessity for an ad
vaorem duty. He had seen Mr.. Vest
twice only, and had not on these occa-
sionsss said anything in regard to the Dem
ocratic party being indebted to the sugar
interest. The witness said the American
Sugar Refining Company had never made
any contribution to the democratic ma
tiOual committee.
He had also seen Senator Jones, Of Ar
kansas, he said, who was a member Of
the finance committee, and explained TO
him the necessity for an ad valorem duty.
This was at the house of Senator Camden,
whom the witness had known long time.
He had also seen Senator Jones at the
latter's house. He had said nothing to
him about the Indebtedness of the Demo-
cratic party to the sugar trust or those
interested in sugar refneries.
NO SUCH INDEBTEDNESS EXISTED.
"No such indebtedness existed, and I
never alluded to any in any conversation
with anybody at any time" said Mr.
Havemeyer.
The witness said he had not seen any
other members of the committee during
his visit to Washington.
The Chairman-What other senators
did you see on this business than those
you have already spoken of
Mr.. Havemeyer-I saw Hill.
The Chairman-Where did you see him,
and how oftenl
Mr.. Havemeyer-At his rooms, and l
saw him twice. | saw Brioe, saw Jones,
saw Vest, saw Caffery.
The Chairman-Any others2
MIR. Havemeyer-No; | tried to see
others, but did not succeed
Senator Allen-Did you see Senator
White. of louisiana
Mr.. Havemeyer-No sir.
Senator Lodge-Senator Gorman2
Mr.. Havemeyer-Oh, CORN an; I saw
German twice.
TALK AT BRICE'S HOUSE.
On one occasion Senator Brice sent for
the witness aud he went 10 the senator's
house, where he met Senator Caffery, and
they mad talk over sugar. The witness
y told MIR. Caffery exactly what he had told
TO other senator's, and also that it was to
the advantage of Louisiana to have the
form of duty ad valorem, irrespective of
what the rate was. "Mr. Caffery told
me that he was satisfied his people
wanted specific rates. That is about the
substance of the conversation"
The Chairman-Did you have any agree
ment with him, so far as you two were
concerned, as TO any rate of schedule, ad
yalorem or specific?
Mr. Havemeyer-N sir. My plea was
that no matter what rate was agreed
upon, it ought to be under the ad yalorem
system.
That was the only occasion, he said,
when he had met any senator at Mr..
Brice's house.
HILL A -BARRELED GUN.
Mr.. Havemeyer called twice upon Sen
ator Hill and he said Senator Hill
told him he was dominated by other in
terests at the moment. Il think at the
first interview he had the Peckham mat
ter in hand, and on the second he
had the income tax on the brain.
l IelL GidG new I OTh SNud-
tar ought to be big enough,
besides these side issues, to have the in
terests of his state in charge, and my
visit was with the intention to have
him take an active interest in an in
dustry which was imperiled by congress
sional action
To none of the senators had anything
been said about party Indebtedness, said
Mr. Hayemyer, and no such obligation
exists.
MIR. Havemeyer said he knew of no sen
ator who operated in sugar stock who
furnished information to the trust about
proposed legislation.
In answer to Senator Allen, he said he
knew nothing about whether Senator
Brice, or any other senator, spcculated
in sugar stock. The witness said he had
never talked with any republican mem
bers of the finance committee.
Senator Allen You have endeavored
since the organizat tion of the sugar trust
to control congressional legislation upon
the subject of sugar, have you not2
MIR. Havemeyer Only by fair means,
which have a right To do.
Senator Allen-And by either coming
to Washington in person or having some
person to represent you here during the
session of congress!
Mr. Havemeyer- have never had any
body TO represent me. l nave always
done that thing in person.
A FRAME ADMISSION.
"Undoubtedly, that's what 1 have been
down here for frankly answered Mr;
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