New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1894-06-19
MR.. GORMAN A WITNESS.
TIE TELLS WHY THE SUGAR SCHEDULE
WAS CHANGED. -.

WAS CHANGED. -'
FRANK ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT HE FORCED
THE COMPROMISE IN ORDER TO GET THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY TOGETHER MEssRs
HAvEMEYER AND sEARLEs TO BE
INDICTED FOR CONTEMPT.
washington. June ls-Half a dozen Senator'S testi
fed before the Sugar Trust Investigation
to-day but none OF the Senators said ne had specu
,otcd IN sugar stock Among those who were caiied
were Senators German and Camden. and they maue
some interesting statements while answering AL 'he
drng-net questions Of the committee In the mega
tive. Senator's Irby. Cameron, Walsh ana WASH
burn were the other Senatorial witnesses, and their
examination did not extend outside the quesuohs'
all of which they answered NO.
Senator Camden made a statement TO the COM
mittee with reference to his conferences with MI
IIavemeyer and others about the sugar scheuu'e'
lie referred to the testimony OF Senator Jones
about a meeting which took place in MI camden
rooms between Mr. Jones and Mr.. Havemeyer ana
said that after the Tariff bill had been reported 10
the Senate from the Finance Committee, 1t became
evident that one Of the chief difficulties would be
the adjustment OF the sugar schedule. ana IN
general conversation with Senator Jones the VIII
ness urged that the Democrats must pass the iarn
bill and that speedy action In It's passage was OF
the country and the Democratic party than SHADES
Of difference as TO Items making up the schedules
where duties had already been decided 10 be I'M
posed upon gwen articles for revenue purposes.
He urged that in his Judgment such concessions
ehould be made within such reasonable limits as
would unite the Democrats In the Senate In support
Of BILL In view of the fact that IT was extremely
desirable that at least forty-three Democratic
votes should be cast for whatever bill should De
passed. The general situation was fully talked
over and Senator Jones expressed hnseN faVoraDie
10 that view Of situation. provided Il could be done
on the general lines OF Democratic policy lie con-
tnued:
At the same time Senator Jones stated TO me that
my business and personal relations In the senate
could be Of service the committee and askei me
II would help him and other members OF the com
mittee in ascertanng and arriving at ne real POINTS
10 do So will here that, as understand the
While the ont torhe an' Wits iHs
friendly relations in regard 10 the sugar schedule.
danger OF serious antagonlsm between the two in
teresis which might endanger the bill from either
one side or the other.
MR.. HAVEMEYER CALLED IN
Mr. Camden explained that he had been told later
by Senator Jones that he was satisfied with the
explanations about sugar made by Searles. the
treasurer OF the Trust and he suggested TO the wit
ness that Il would be a good thing for some one
regarded high authority In sugar matters TO pre-
sent to him the committee the facts they relied
on. Mr.. Camden repeated this conversation 10 some
one-to Senator Brice. he thought-and through
means unknown Mr.. Camden Mr.. Havemeyer
came 70 Washington. The witness was advised that
Mr.. Havemeyer was at the Arlington Hotel and
would Ike 70 see Senator Jones. The witness In
formed Senator Jones. who said ne would meet Mr.
Havemeyer at Mr.. Camden's rooms opposite the
Arlington Nr Camden told Mr.. Terrill. whom he
had known fifteen years: the latter told Mr.. Have
meyer and MI Havemeyer called with Mr. Terrlll-
Said Mr. Camden:
never had conversation. myself with Mr
Havemeyer upon the subject OF sugar other than
perhaps q few casual remarks. and 10 the best
~ my recollection had never seen Mr.: Havemeyer
was not a member Of the Finance Committee nor
did seek In any way 10 impress any views upon
subject My whole object was TO help the COM
mittee gain reliable Information. and TO find a
common ground on which all Democrats could
stand.
The witness said ne had urged upon Senator
Canrey and senator now Justice) White the ne
ccssity for some amicable arrangement about sugar
Later on said: Il very rarely deal In stocks OF
any kind and have not speculated in sugar stocks
directly or Indirectly since the meeting OF this |
session OF Congress"
The witness explained IN answer TO Senator |
Davis that he meant in his statement by repre- |
sentntlves of the producing interest. whose
votes II was necessary TO obtain" the Louisiana
s. majors anl one or both Of the California SEMI
tors
senator Davis In the same sentence in that
statement you refer % the sugar refining interests
whose vote II would be necessary TO obtain. whom
ID YOU mean 10y that eXlrcsson2
senator Camden That. perhaps, was not the ex-
nres4,on DO not know OF any representatives, OF
the sugar refining interests. but referred to the
fact that there certain Senator'S who claimed
,hat there should be modification OF that schedule
md any other schedules in which their constituents
were affected.
Senator Davis-What were the names Of those
Senators?
Senator Cnmden-In a general way II was under
stood that Senator Murphy Senator Smith. Senator
I'M. perhaps and perhaps other Senator's were not
favorable TO the bill In other words. they required
come notifications 10 be made in certain portions !
OF the bill before Il would receive their support
Senator Dayis-Protcction to the sugar refining |
interest?
Senator Camden--Not especially. That one OF |
the group.
Senator Davs-One OF the group representing
those views?
Senator Camden-Yes. sir.
Senator Io1gc-Were there any other Senators be-
sides those you have named?
Senator Camden-I speak OF those in general
way. What names did mention?
Senator Lodsc-Senator Murphy Senator Smith,
Senator I'm and perhaps other Senators.
Senator Camden-Perhaps Senator Brice. could
not speak OF any particular Senators within my
demanding any particular thing. but Il
was known that they were dissatisfied with the bill.
and unless some concessions made 20 other
important schedules T. Likely the bill would
not receive their support. In other words. there
were some Senator's designated as conservative"
bv the newspapers. DO not pretend to speak with
any personal knowledge 20 know anything about
what those Senators would have done.
Mr. Camden SAID Mr.. Havemeyer enj the sugar
rcnners were in favor of al vsiorem duty. and
then Senator Davis asked him Was not the sub
stance Of your advice to the Louisiana Senator's
that they make concessions. that they should re-
rede from the stand that they had taken as 20 the
specific duty and accede to m al vaorem duty
Senator Camden-No; never indicated nor had
ANYTHING more than that a common point should be
adjusted | knew very little about the sugar sched-