The Seattle post-intelligencer. [volume] (Seattle, Wash. Terr. [Wash.]) 1888-1914, 1894-07-24

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96ormasa then proceeded to detail thu
manHere whiehohad been agreed upon 10
meet Oh lecfi ions aid secure the support OF
certain disa.iecfsd Democrats. He stated
emphatitalLS that during this work Veys
aief Jones Rad frequent conferences with
Secretary Csslisle. ana often with Cleve-
lan1 hdaselE Ao material sacrifices OF
principle we're sEpade. and fhe result was,
IS he bad declared 6a q previous occasion,
q Democratic 5mgasures which ia bis opin-
iaai leagsed toward radical tariff reform
sentinrent ana which, ne thought would
receive the support of the Democratic
AoEEse, senateosnd president He charged
directly that every, one of the senate
aniesdments had been seen hy Secretary
Carlisle before taeg wefe agreed upon. lie
drew from his desk and ohaa read an inter-
view wits Secretary Carlisle On April 30.
IN v hseh the secretary gave the same bill
hls SWEEPING Endorsement
WITNESSES CALLED.
After tile reading OF the Carlisle inter
view. oorunms led up 70 one OF the most
| dramatic episodes of the day. the sum-
nfSning of eMessrsa Vest. Jones aud Harris,
ax making tire followims, remarks:
such was the declaration Of the secre-
tarp Of the 6resSury. That statement
trvf9l Ain had probably wonderful effect.
IL soiteIfed the 1lard places which We met
when We came 10 conferand to act. Ii was
accepted. o. todd much to enable Us To
bskng together foFty-three senators in this
BODY. | reIseat that but Tor it | do not be-
lfeye We SHOULD have ever succeeded in
getting together. But9 Ii, did not stop
there IL Was not alone with the secre-
"A ttfs te IL fhsaF
deat IN matters concerning his department.
he president was not ignorant OF what We
I proposed TO do Nothing was concealed
from him, The papers announced ON tho
day fols0wing9the interview with Carlisle
that the president himself eoncurred with
bis great secretary. So we understood.
and II il is MOI trnts,s then forty-three sena-
ters on this side Of thechamber have been
nflsled. Every proposed amend ment To
the bil was IS Well known to him as to
fae. While neither the president nor his
secretary WAS IN love with all the proyi-
sfons OF Theses amendments. | may say in
fairness that there we're many OF them 10
which they we're opposed. as the senator
iruHl Missouri and thee senator from Ar
kansas and theo distinguished chairman of
the finance cammittee were opposed 10
many Of therns and as itowns a compro-
mise measure y was not satisfactory
10 d single solitary human being on this
side Of the chambeR'infall it, details: but I
assert that As a whole the structure, a.
| pfeseatfd, aud scanned 10y these gentle
F&cn, " ~ satisfactory ana was recognized
aS the best it5was possIbleAo pass through
this body, aud that from no quarter high
ore low. netthSr from the president.
through5 hFs cabinet, nor by any member
of this body was lt ever suggested or in-
tifnafed that's there was any violation of
De1bocratic princlacs Ia anything
We Iids Now, MT. President. that Is
broad statement. I call upon the
| two gentlemen who have the imma-
alate fon@ol of the bill. the senator
from Mssourf Vest and the senator from
Arkassas Jones and ask them II have
made "a statement which varies hairs
breadth fromthe truth. and IL IL due 10 the
senaies IL - dueto themselves. Ii IL due to-
me, ID Is due 20 the country, that the truth
shAiEb be kno~n. Let the people have the
TRUTH pause for reply from my friend
from Missouri. Let the people have the
truth. y56 200
5o SENATOR VEST TEsTFTEa.
Vest arose. lie began by saying that he
had not himself seen the president since
the repeal of the Sherman law. but with
the secretary Of tne treasury he had fre-
queutky eonGersed. Mr.. Carlisle had repest-
edly and distinctly stated to him that the
greatest possible calamity that could hap
pen would be the failureof any bill. lie had
distinctly stated to him that 10 difference
In fates should be allowed 30 stand In the
wayo ofothe contamination of some Kind
Of tarif n reform. His colleague tJones) had
seen both Mr.. Carlisle and Mr.. Cleveland.
They both declared that the bill Was
acceptable 20 them. The bill did not
suit him Vest), bat he knew il must have
The suppcrt Of the administration 20 pass
/ IL and hehsd asked Jones IA the president
would throw the weight Of his influence
4ntojt. Jones repiiea that the president
had said 10 him. am willing 10 do any
thing to pass taea abili through congress-"
IF We - into this fight the president
must he behind u.s. Vest had said. Jonae
rephed that he Was. '.Thereupon," said
Vest. ''I gaSe up my personal opinions
and resolved 10 support IL. The preside nt's
lester was the first intimasion 70 me that
be was against IT,
sEsAr6R gosEs TEsTIYIEs
when Vest sat down Zones. Who was in
oliafge, took the door. lie was A. pale a.
DEATH. lie realized, hs said. when the bill
game 10 the senate. that il would not be
passed ln o. then form. and be had gone
| t0 wosk, with infinite labor and pains. 10
interview every Democratic senator. la
ascsrtalnsd every objection. and hal care
| fully noted them. IIe had talked with
| Carlisle about his plan, aud che president
! ind6fsed IT, Then he lJonesl proposed
Z the amendments aftes consultation With
ECsrllsle. oTh6 secretary waa thoroughly
b informed oas 10 the situation. and he
| (Enhesl hal snld to him, II will not 20 one
| xtar further ii she administration In not
| behind me. /" II requested IaTn - explain
everything TO the president" sald Jones.
/ Il saw the president. lie toif ms Mr..
ocarpsle had explained aii tie lCIeveiandl
/ sald IL ahoaght 40 eerc doing what was
l tfle Niss aed proper thing. Among the
AfneSinenfs thus prepared Ners those
/ placlng coal and iFoa on the dutlsbie list. !"
/ L3etJatll read Clevsland'a letter - Wiz
/ s0n.5 said Jones emphatieallY,0'1 believed
I hs cordially sg.proved our action. ! had
expressed to hFn the opinlon that II must
either BE- this modined tili o. none at al.
and he-replied that Ia The alternative he
I favored the Jmosiiasd raeesure."
/ vIlss rues TO pEFEso eIKvElsSp.
4. Janes sat de~n eoFnson arose 70 re-
sHine, hai Niiss lEgerp9sed With = series of
/ aSsotlons 10 Jones Fin your intessiew
with the president 3 asked Was, were
4 the sub jects Of
YES" replssd Jones. with explosive
] vehemence. s'st every conversation BE-
I tween the PRESIDENT and myself coal snd
I iron wege speeiRly mentioned. . Th@Ts
/ va. burst OF applause from the gallery.
xhseh fbs 3,residing 6Ysices had dgiiiealty
Ion checking. And. eoatsauef Jones.
/ ~ith measured emphasis On each word.
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