The new North-west. [volume] (Deer Lodge, Mont.) 1869-1897, 1894-03-31
MR.. GHORMLEY AND ELDER CREEL,

1t might not appear fair to make any
reply to Mr.. Ghormley's last article
since he states that he will have nothing
more to say. l.will make no reply myself.
but let the silbjoined letter be my an
swer. MIR. GhormIry ''tlenics" that Elder
Creel ever said What stated he did say.
He gives no reason for his denial; but to
give q reason for any assertion seemed
supertlnous to Mr.. Ghormley.
w. NJ. BRITT,
CowGILL, Mo-, March 10, 1894
REV. w. NJ. BRITT, Deer Lodge, Mont
Your letter Of the 18th inst Just at hand was
an eye witness to the debates between Dr., DitZer
and Elder Creel, both at Pattsburg and Cowglll
First, will say that Elder Creel backed down as to
the $500 proposition both at Plattsburg and Cow
gill. At Plattsburg, DR.. Bolen could not get Elder
Creel either through the press or by private let
ter, to say that he would put up the $500 where
could get 1t In the lexicon was produced by
DR.. Ditzer, and he would not and did not put 1t
up. was there the day the debate began and we
Methodist ministers (slx OF us) held a private
conference before the hour for debate and one OF
the main subjects under consideration was that
they (Dr. Boen and DR.. Ditzer) had failed to get
Elder Creel to put up the money, and we would
have to go ahead with the debate as 1t had already
| been announced and the people were expecting It,
HutN We dlIdllBeu iUE Iue ueDdte mere, wrote
Elder Creel letter asking him "if he was willing
to discuss the original lexicon question with the
$500 issue In view? That DR.. D. was willing and
ready, and we insist that the matter shall be set
tied If discussed here in Cowgirl" Here Is his
reply proposition: I, James G. Creel, propose
to show that Jacob Dtzler cannot produce a
standard Greek-Engllsh lexicon which gives to
| pour or sprinkle as meaning Of the Greek word
| 'baptiZO.' expect no lodging or uuibbling from
you or friend Ditzler, but that you will come up
| squarely to the one issue AS to the $500, will
say there is standing offer or challenge of one
| thousand dollars, open for twelve months, pub
| lished in Church Register, to any atf1sonist in
the United States who will produce standard
| Greek-English lexicon which gives to pour or
| sprinkle as meaning OF the Greek word 'bap-
| tizO" and sigEed his name
| You see a. he did not incorporate the $500 In
| the proposition; {2) he does not say in his re-
| marks that he will debate the question in Cowgirl
| with that In yiew-he simply lodges the question
| in sly Way-does not really answer my question
| at all.
At Plattsburg DR.. D. guyed Elder G. from the
| platform In one OF his speeches about his back
down from his offer of the $500, to which Elder c.
replied in the following way: "Dr. D. has made
reference to the $500, but you will notice. my
friends, that the proposition reads as follows: IT,
James c., propose to show,'' etc. repeating 1t In
full and then added, land it does not say one
| word about the $780, So you see how he lodges
At the debate here in Cowgl he interrupted
DR.. D. and dared him to stop and leave it to the
| moderat0rs. and they agreed to do so when the
Dr.. had finished his speech; but when the Dr.
! closed the Elder began, and one moderator. Dr.
]. S. Smith of Liberty, NO., tried to stop him by
| calling his attention to the agreement, and Elder
| C. replied that that was intended only as a joke
| little pleasantly" or something OF that kind
and went on i'll his usual buldozlng way. The
! congregation was thunderstruck and dlsgusted
| with such a sham.
| 1}o cf.+a In +,, J,,t
church at Cowgirl, ln debate with Dr.. Ditzler, that
| he would close the debate without going further
| and submit the question to the moderators, and
If they decided the question against him, he would
go to Plattsburg and draw out 81 ,00O and hand 1t
| over to DR.. D., and when DR.. D. took him up, he
backed square down In the face Of ull he had said
| in the presence of the whole congregation. This
can be proven by hundreds of people If necessary.
| This you can publish to the world and sign my
name to it, If you want to- Your statements in
the NEW NORTHWEST are hard facts-stick to
them! and repeat If necessary.
| Since the debate here have found out that one
more of Elder CreePs own lexicon's defines the
word "baptz0' In our favor Edward RObnsOn),
but he had covered it up as he read 1t. Hence
there was Robinson. Cremer and Ewing, with his
two Greek professors. Tyler and Packard, made
| quite Il host OF evidence from his own Side Then
adding what Ditzer had outside of this-tiim-
| shaw, Young and several others-made the evil
dence overwhelmingly against him and on our
side. No wonder he backed down. The third
man. W. I. Tucker a lawyer, who was THEIR
CHOICE for the third man as moderator, in con-
versation with me at different times, said he "was
surprised at Elder Creel producing evidence that
| was against him. In fact his own people were
| surprised.
With this shall close. hoping have served you
faithfully. If there is anything more you want
and can give 1t, I will be glad to do so. You may
use any or all of the above in print or otherwise
| Yours, HOWARD H. DAVIS,
Pastor NJ E. Church, South, Covgill, Mo.