The representative. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1893-1901, 1894-12-26

salary paid him by you after paying
Mr.. Bates?
A. Yes, sir.
G. Do you think that Mr. Clark could
afford to put in his time here for $500
year If that was all the compensa-
tion he received?
A. Well, he is doing it,
=. Do you think he can afford to: in
your Judgment, can he. afford to?
A. No, sir
T. AS matter of fact Mr. Bier
mann, is not Mr.. Clark engaged in
speculatlng in state swamp land, get
t!ns railway companies to make selec-
tion OF them, and then he purchase
the land from the railway company?
A. l believe so; yes
~. AS matter of fact do Won not
Deleve that Mr.. Clark is here solely
for the purpose of getting information
that will enable him to make money
out of the state swamp lands in thar
manner?
A. Presumably So
=. DO you understand Mr. BiermanD.
tnat transactions Of that kind men,
toned in which Mr. Clark is engaged
IN the purchase Of swamp lands
through railway companies in anv
manner, defrauds the state Of any lands
or money?
A. No, sir; / can't conceive bow g
could =
Q. Do you think it proper that a clerk
IN your office who has charge of the
sales or pine lands at salary of 81 500
year should be permitted to engage
IN outside speculation in any manner.
any other? -
A. | can't see Why
~. Don't YOU think that instead OF
MI Clark being in your office for tho
salary sy you pay him, he is here solely
IoI Ihe purpose Of the information
Wnlch he may derive from yOur office
TO aid him in the speculations he is car
ry!ng on In state swamp lands?
a. thlnk 1t Will aid him. but | have
already stated that Mr.. Clarks entire
time IS not due to the stae.
=. Don't you think that the state
is entitled to all the time of any clerk
VINO receives the salary of 81, 500 at the
present time?
A. Yes, sir. Mr. Clark possesses
knowledge which very few men possess.
and Is an expert in that business. and
II all his time was to be devoted to the
office here. he would resign; he would
leave rather than work for 81 500
year.
A. And still on your own statement
Of the case, the only compensate that
Mr.. Clark receives is $500 a year?
A. Yes. sir
@. Do YOU not think, Mr. Biermann.
that Mr. Clark also uses his informa-
tion regarding pine stumpage for the
purpose of specializing in stumpage for
his own benefit?
A. Yes If | can qualify 1t. When
first came here, Mr. Clark stated to
me that sometimes he would buy the
pine but that | would not know the
purchaser; that somebody else would
buy it for him. That was candor OH
Clark's part If he had not mentioned
1t to me, ! should never have supposed
that he dealt in pine lands When
this section is called you bid on it to
such and such figures; it would have
been impossible for me to have done
anything about it.
O. Didn't Mr. Clark, soon after he
came in here, ask if he would be al
lowed to purchase pine stumpage at
the regular stumpage sales?
A. He may have done so; | think
likely he did.
@. Did YOU not say emphatically that
he could not?
A. Yes; that was what led to this ad-
mission on his part, when told him l
would not have him do anything Of
that kind.
something like this AN right. VIII
buy it just the same =
O. Have you any doubt in Your mlno
that Mr. Clark has been carrying out
his threat all the time, and has been
name Of outside parties?
A. have nothing to sustain me in
that belief at all; it may be true
though. OF course, l have nothing to
sustain it of my own personal knowl-
edge.
unlawful or illegal for Mr.. Clark to
engage in speculation in pine stumpaga
while he was a clerk in your office?
A. No, sir, | don't think it would; il
would be indelicate.
Q. Don't you think Mr.. Biermann.
that it was your duty when Mr.. Clark
replied to YOU in language that was
unmistaka BILE that-it was your duty TO
discharge him then and there and put
somebody else in his place?
A. l think not; ! can't see why; II
was candor on his part to make that
statement; it was not necessary for
him to say anything about it.
@. Does Mr. Bates have key to
your office?
A. No, sir.
Q. And combination to your vault?
A. Yes, sir.
q. Has he also the combination to
your vault where your records are?
A. No, sir.
Q. Does Mr.. Bates have access to
your records during business hours?
A. Yes, sir.
O. And to the vault?
"a i eS. Sli
O. Is Mr. Bates responsible to you for
anything?
A. No, sir.
O. Then are the committee to under
stand that you allow a man in your Of
flee all the time who is not now in
the employ of the state, and who has
free access to the vault where the rec
ords are kept, and TO your records al
all times?
A. He is in the service of the state,
as he takes Mr.. Clark's place in his
absence.
@. That is all the responsibility he is
under to you or the state simply as
Mr.. Clark's proxy?
A. Yes, sir.
We also quote from Mr.. Clark's tes-
timony, same book, pages 10 TO 13, in
elusive:
@. Have you any business at the
present time other than a clerk i'll the
auditors office?
A. I decline to answer.
O. Have YOU private office in this
city for the transaction of your pri-
vate business outside Of the state audi
tors Office?
A. / decline TO answer ! don't think
the committee has any right to go into
my private affairs.
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