The representative. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1893-1901, 1894-10-24

- oAAAiScS anu would nave none to break.
ne toid me he had met man from whom
could get my expenses, and more too
loid MIN came here to represent NY con-
slltuents and get my pay and no more
Christensen had given Ryan the $500 Mr.
Ryan, L suppose, has the money now. No
one mas attempted to influence my testi-
mony before this or the senate committee
Mr.. Ryan never told me before the inter-
view In Room that he had any money for
me- he did say at the reception that he
could get some for me-
Z. by Mr.. Dimert. Did not Mr.. Ryan tell
you ne would make it all right, or words
to that effect?
A. He did not
W. X. Estes. being duly sworn testified:
lnterrogatories by Mr.. Smith
u You are a member of the house?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do you kow of any ,ttemnt To cor
ruptly influence any member of the legis-
iature to secure his vote for any one of the
candidates before the senatorial caucus of
the 18th inst?
"A. what l was hestating about was
whether anything that 1 might nave heard
was before the caucus. l believe am safe
In answering in the affirmative.
" You may state what came within
your knowledge in response TO this cues
ton $40 'i"e'
suppose.
O.. Yes sir
A l was approached on the subject ana
was made an offer for my vote by one of
the candidates.
O. Who was the individual by whom Won
were approached?
A. ! decline to answer by whom was
approached
O. Will you please STAGE what the offer
was?
A. | was offered 5000, with certain other
considerations
q. To vote for whom?
A ID. NJ. Sabin.
e. Did YOU have any conversation With
senator Sabin upon this pointo
a senator Sabin spoke to me about tbis
party that had had the conversation with.
.. What did he say?
A. Simply said that h.. had ALWAYS forrd
MIN TO be a straight man. AMI man rhat
was able to fulfill any promises that he
ihaue, and was satisfied that if he had
MADE me any promises he was able TO de-
liver the goods.
c. When was that?
A. | don't think l can give yo, Tho ex,ot
date. | should say it was during tna veal,
at least a week before the caucus. abor7 =
week.
j.. F. Shoemaker, Intercepted by Mr..
Smith. ~ 49,
.. You are a member of the house?
A. I am.
V. DO you know of any attempt being
inaoe 10 corruptly influence any members of
the legislature to secure his vote for any
one or the senatorial candidates before the
caucus recently held-either the candidate
or any one else using corrupt influence
A. can say that l have been approached
indirectly to procure my vote
e. Please state the circumstances
A. was approached by man that said .
HSre there is some money to make IN
this thing and you may as well make It as
any one. 1t is going to be made
u. Was that man you had been ac-
quainted with long?
A. couple of years
O. When and where did that occur?
a. 1t occurred in the office of the Mer-
chants Hotel.
Q. In the lobby, you man?
A. In the lobby, L guess. L call that the
office.
Q. About what time?
a. If we can arrive at the date, it was
on Friday, as near as L can rememper,
week ago.
Q, On Friday preceding the senatorial
caucus?
| A. No, sir; before that It was on Fri
day the week before when l was approached.
c. The Friday preceding the speakership
caucus?
A. 1t was a week ago last Friday. that
would be the 18th, wouldn't tit was the
Friday preceding the senatorial caucus
q. Were You alone at the sine this con-
| versaton took place?
a. was alone. There were a great many
| in the ROOM There was no other person
! listening.
| @. Did he offer you money. or simply
say there was money to BE- made?
y. He said there was money to be made
L asked him: How much are you PAYING"
He said: They are talking about $500"
Said |: ooh, hell, that's too Cheap He
| said: What do you want?' Said I: a
| thousand dollars is cheap man now
| WELL he says, IF l could s5t you 81 800
would you give me part OF :t:' During the
| conversation he said, Il can introduce you
to a man that will pay you the money"
and wanted to know if I would take 1850
| and stand for Washburn clear through. 1
| asked him if he meant TO vote for him in
the house, if he didn't st i: in the caucus
| Yes he said, ''cear through" | said
| NO" I would not under any circum-
| stances. and we had conversation at differ
ent times, perhaps four tive diTe re 1T
| times.
| G. This is the first time, that you are re-
| lating now?
A. Yes sir; but since that we have had
conversation four five times.
| c. Before the senatorial Caucus?
| A. Yes, sir.
| @. What was that mans name?
| A. Fred L. Warner.
| O. Will you please state in connected
way as possible and in the order cf time,
about your conversations after the first i'll
terview and including the last. l under
stand you have given the first
A. Yes, sir; as near rs can recolect.
1t would Be impossible Tor to give the
dates of different interviews. ] was
there every day, from that time up to the
| caucus, and saw him every day. 1 don t
think We talked about it every day though.
| Oh l could not give the dates If the DIFF
ferent times talked with him. for L made
no note of it whatever. The reason | recol-
| lect the interview of Friday well is be-
| cause l left on Saturday ana was gone In
! til Tuesday, then after that l saw him
| again.
| @. Then these four or i've interviews
| must necessarily have been Friday and the
| latter part of Tuesday, "Wednesday and
| Thursday before night?
A. Yes, sir.
@. Never mind the particular times. if
they were all there in the lobby. Please
state what took place IN the second inter
| VIEW as n5ar you can.
A. Well. the conversation was pretty
| much tie same every day. lie was want
! ing me to accept ito agree to accept it
| and kept hanging off, hated to-caUid not
90 hack to my constituents and explain my
| self because they knew l was not favorable
| 70 the man he wanted ne tc Vot1 tor 1
had been rather outSpok1H III oppe stun u
| Mr. Wasllburn.
J. NJ Underwood. called and sworn.
| Examined by Mr.. Smith.
O. Do YOU know of any attempt to cor
rupt or influence the vote Of any member
of the legisla cure i'll the late senatorial
caucus-prior TO it?
A. Well, really I don't know I lave
seen no money used Nothing Of that kind
| have had money talked TO me.
! @. Please stale by whom?
A. There WAS a gentleman, member of
| the house, came TO me. lie talked with me
| several times and told me there was Il deal
| Tho object of that deal was to get Mr.