The morning call. [volume] (San Francisco [Calif.]) 1878-1895, 1894-06-05
DECIDED DENIALS.
Senators Testify in the
Scandal.
WERE NEVER INFLUENCED.
Democratic Finance Committee
Members Heard.
THE TARIFF SUGAR SCHEDULE.
Secretary Carlisle and Others Say
That the Trust Does Not In
fIuence Legislation.
THE TARIFF SUGAR SCHEDULE.

WASHINGTON. June 4 Senator GRAY.
as chairman Of the special committee to
investigate the alleged operations of the
sugar trust in connection with tariff legis-
lation. to-day submitted to the Senate th
second batch of testimony taken before
that committee. containing Information
concerning the examination of all the
Democratic members of the Finance Com
mittee, including VOORHEES,, Jones, Harris.
Vest, Mcpherson, Mills. Secretary Carlisle
/ and John Dewitt Warner of the House of
Representatives.
Senator Mills denied all knowledge of
the reported secret interviews of Secretary
Carlisle on the sugar question and said
that he and Jones and Vest had prepared
the sugar schedule as first reported and he
knew nothing of any memorandum of the
schedule from the Secretary. He also de-
MED all knowledge of the Sunday confer
ence of the Finance Committee with those
| interested in securing legislation. He said
! he had never heard of the sugar trust be-
| ing in the Capitol while he was acting as
| a member OF the Finance Committee, and
| that he had never met any members of the
trust. The letter of introduction was
merely q form containing only two or
three lines. He declined to see Mr.. have
meyer. Mills also denied any knowledge
of contributions to the Democratic cam
| paigu fund.
| Secretary Csrlisle's statement, as it ap-
pears in the published testimony, Is not
materially different from that given TO the
press officials the day after he was before
the committee. but some points are pre-
sented in greater detail. His memory does
not correspond with that of Senator Jones
as to the time and place he was asked 10
! put the sugar schedule into shape Mr..
Carlisle stated that Mr.. Jones had re-
! quested him to have the sugar schedule
prepared on the morning of Saturday, the
9TH of May. and had come to his house ami
had handed him a memorandum. stating
what he wanted done. He agreed to do
this. The service was one the Treasury
Department was in the habit of rendering
the mem bers of the FinRnce Committee
After he went to his Office he dictated the
schedule providing for the ad valorem
duty of 40 per cent and the additional one
eighth OF cent on sugars above No 16
Dutch standard. At 2 O'Clock that day he
went to the Capitol in response to a tele-
phone message requesting his presence,
taking the sugar schedule which he had
put in shape with him. He found Senators
Jones. Vest ana Mcpherson and Repre-
sentative Breckinridge in the room OF the
Senate Committee, and Senator German
came in aftsrward.
AFTER talking some time" said Mr, Car
Isle. sit was suggested by some one-and
l am not able now 60 state by whom, but
certainly not by me. for l had made no
original suggestions-that instead of being
40 per cent ad valorem upon all sugars and
one-eighth Of a cent additional on sugars
testing above 16, Dutch standard, in color.
there should be duty of 40 per cent upon
al sugar below No. 16, Dutch standard, in
color, the additional per cent being, you
will observe, equal to One-eighth of the 40
per cent other grades.
That vas talked about, and while it
was not agreed tO-because as l say there
were only two members OF the Finance
Committee present - Senators Jones
and Vest-it seemed to be the impression
that they would submit that kind of a
proposition to the committee. Thereupon
some one asked me if would not write 1t.
l said, L will just take this amendment
which have in my hand aud interline it,
In addition to that they said they wanted
to put into the amendment a clause relat-
ing to the Hawaiian treaty. They wanted
to insert clause that this schedule should
not abrogate or in any manner impair the
provisions of the Hawaiian treaty, and
asked me If could not write that also. /
said, 4 will just take this paper and inter-
line it,
Il took out the part which provided for
one-eighth OF one cent per pound addi-
tonal, and put in the provision for d per
cent ad valorem. Then 1 added to it in
my own handwriting all the provisions
now contained in it regarding the Ha
waian treaty, just as i: is to-day"
Mr.. Carlisle then made his visit to the
Capitol Sunday, explaining how this visit
came to be made 10 correct the discrepancy
in the schedule, which. had it not been
corrected, would have left sugar without
either a duty or bounty July /, 1894. TO
January l, 1895 This occurred TO him,
and not finding Senator Jones in his
home, he had driven to the Capitol to
make the suggestion that the bill should be
provided for, when, to his surprise, he had
found Senators Jones, Vest and McPher
son and Representative Breckenridge at
work on the tariff amendments which were
to be introduce the following day. He
was then told that the amendment which
he had interlined, changing the duty On
refined sugar from the compound rate of
40 per cent, had been abandoned and he
had simply said. "All right" and came
away. Closing this part of what may be
called his direct testimony Carlisle said:
"The amendment which prepa red by in
terlineations handed to Senator Jones as /
passed through, going out of the Capitol
on that Saturday afternoon. and | have
never seen it aimee. Now it seems that
some person. do not know who it is
has seen that amendment in my hand
writing undoubtedly from the statement
from the Senator which has just been read
to me, and as far as L am concerned it NAV
be published to the whole world and read
in the Senate or any place else. 1t was
simply a compliance with the request of
Senator Jones and others present, and on
that the writer has based all this state
ment, l presume, although he fixes the
time in February. 1t was on the 5th day
Of May"
| Upon being asked by Senator Lodge