The sun., 1894-08-23
HEARING THE OTHER SIDE.
PULLMAN WITNESSES BEFORE THE
LABOR COMMISSION.
Resi Estats Agents Tell About Rents SD
Huildings n Puilr,sn snd Kepsingtou-
~. Fnllran MaH be surronea 20 Testirr.

Resi Estats Agents Tell About Reuts sns
Builsingr n Puilr,sn sna Keusington-
~. F-iiran Nsy be su--oned 60 Testify.
CHICAGO. Aug. 22.-At the opening Of this
mornings session Of the National Labor Com
mission Chairman Wright announced that the
majority Of witnesses for labor had been heard.
and that the railroads and the Pullman COM
pany would now be allowed to present their side
Of the case.
ave have still" continued Mr.. Wright. "a
number Of labor leaders 10 hear, who live outside
OF Chicago. but who have not yet been able to
get hore. They will be heard at the proper time.
In the mean time, we have been furnished by the
Pullman Company and by the railroads with
large number OF names Of witnesses. These will
now be called in the order in which they appear
on the list"
Itwas announced this evening that George NJ.
Pullman will be asked TO appear before the
Commission TO testify in the investigation Of the
causes Of tho recent strike. Chairman Carroll
d. Wright said this afternoon:
There Is no reason why Mr.. Pullman and the
railway officials should not be as anxious TO
have their side Of the controversy given as fully
as the strikers have been TO present theirs.
havo no doubt they will be on hand when
desired"
Mr. Wright would not say positively, but inn
piled that they would be subpnnaed II neces-
sary.
The first witness was Frank w. T. Glover. a
Chicago real estate agent. Mr.. Glover deals In
property ut Kensington, the suburb adjoining
the town OF Pullman. He said from an outside
inspection Of the Pullman houses-he had never
been inside Of them-they were much more in
viting than the ones rented by him at Kensng
ton for Sl2 a month. He said there was no
sewerage at Kensington and no repairing there
as there Is at Pullman. He declared the rents
had not been reduced at Kensington.
"IfI were poor man." said Mr. Glover, "and
had a family. l should prefer very much TO live
in Pullman rather than in KensnRton. The
surroundings are 40 beautiful in Pullman and
the place 80 moral would rather pay s" or 81 a
month moro for the same accommodations In
Pullman"
Paul Hermes, an ex ex-employee of the Pullman
company, now a news agent there, testified that
he thought his residence OF nine rooms In Pull
man was cheap at s35 n month. He would not
live in Kensington under any circumstances on
account of the offensive sewers. He thought
that II the Pullman employees had let whskey
and beer alone they would not have had nearly
On cross-examination Mr.. Hermes could not
estimate how large proportion OF the Pullman
population used liquor to excess.
L. II. Johnston testified n TO the comparative
value Of property IN Pullman: kensngton, and
Roseland. He could get houses for less money
in Roseland or Kensington, he said but he did
not get as good a house for the money "a in Pull
%sn fos The mos. par ana
He testified that rents had remained stationary
Which, w he rsntsd for IN Pullman % would Ts SIC
outside. :, ,o.,,o.s 49,,
he had been present at many labor meetings,
and had never heard the strike leaders counsel
violence. ,, ,,, 49,,
speeches Ss Y' EGS asked Judge 'Worthinston did
you think they were sincere or were they simply
~ Thought the speakers were sincere"
BENJAMIN Atwell, another repor,er, had seen
He fh had heard. % he said, strikers counsel their
companions during the trouble at Blue island
not TO commit overt acts ,-,,,- .,--
At the conclusion of Mr. AtwelTs testimony
the Commission adjourned Tor recess.
Axel Lunggruen, a Pullman employee. was the
He thought he had been treated fairly by the
Pullman Company. Employees. he said. were
the main difficulty. He returned to work at
Pullman after the strike and was Obliged To sign
The Xmerican X railway Union in order to W yet his his
place. Mr.. Longgruen testined that after he
went back t9 Tors II eyea esgs h S fG,a dn ms
after dark they would X him.
John Fitzgerald. assistant fire marshal OF
Chicago read u long list of cars, towers. and
loss TO the railroads. fhe oldest person he ever
saw setting fire TO car' was 10 years of age
All the rest were mere boys He had seen no
railway employees doing incendiary work. Once
railroad men helped him TO extinguish blaze.
He had seen a man cut fire hose, but did not
recognize him. The crowds had never Oh
structed the work Of the department that he
knew. lie did not know II the ncendiary boys
had been instigated by strikers. One hundred
and forty seven cars. five switch shanties, six
depots, and eight towers were burned In his
district from July to July \, inclusive, this
being the perod Of greatest violence aud iHcen-
diarisn.
DR. John Mclean Of Pullman told the attitude
OF the company toward the men injured while
at work. His duty was To care for all such mer
until they recovered. He did not think hosp
tai necessary at Pullman. He said the company
paid the expenses al a hospital down town of all
men hurt while in Its employ. DIR. Mclean said
that the man whose hands had been hurt. and who
testified yesterday. had employed another doc
tor and thereby ignored the company in the
matter Payment OF his expenses AT the hOspi-
tai had been refused by the company on that
account.
Dr. Mclean asserted that the trouble AT Pull
man was IN measure due To the use OF liquor
by the employees. In 1000 cases Of injury the
witness had never seen the company refuse to
pay all the expenses connected Herewith, he
sides drug store bills amounting To LOO an
nuslly.
| The Commission will hea- Superintendent Of
Police brennan tomorrow morning