The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1894-01-14
TALK WITH MIR. THURSTON
Saws the Government Is United
and the ROyalistS Hopeless.
Report that the Ex-Queen Has Aban-
dOned Her Claim and Will Ask Uncle
Sam to Pay Big Damages.


reached port at II a m. brought copy
respondent dated Jan. s. After noting events
already published. the letter says:
Perhaps next in Importance 10 the de-
mand and reply which have passed between
the provisional government and the United
states government, IS the new political
force represented by the American League
and the executive committee Of the annexa-
ton club The growing strength Of the
radical party, which is now able 10 claim
at least two-thirds Of the American vote
In Hawaii Is directly toward larger rep
resentatiOn in government than was secured
BY II when the provisional authority was
first established 1t having been announced
that Vice President Hatch would resign
from the advisory council TO accept the
ministry of foreign affairs. y movement
at once began to put Walter q. Smith,
radical leader Of the American movements
In Hawaii. into the vacancy. Resolutions
10 that end were passed by both the Amer
lean League and the executive committee
OF the annexation club In both instances
these votes were unanimous. In the advis-
DRY council, however, some opposition was
shown Heretofore this body has been self
erecting and self-perpetuatinS and has
quietly refused the demands made by the
radical element. The radicals assert that
the council has been conservative TO ne
gree that endangers the future of popular
government in Hawaii. and thus expect
their present movement TO be a protest
against the further encroachments of cor
pOrations upon the popular government
here. The position taken by the cOnserva-
tive element has served TO arouse the radi-
cal party. and IL is not unlikely that unless
the hackers of Mr.. Smith are placated
serious political difference viii arise be-
tween the present government and the
Americans who are the support of the pres
ent movement for closer commercial rela-
tons with the United States.
II Is believed that the present differences
may lead to a new distribution Of places
In the legislative branch of the govern
rent at the hands Of the men who created
the present government. The present diff
ferences have taken the form of a test of
strength between the new political forces
which have arisen i'm Hawaii since the de-
mand OF Minister Willis for the provisional
government To step down and out. As put
by the radicals. il seems TO be a question
whether the corporations representing the
sugar plantations shall rule the country
or whether the government shall be car
ried out by a majority of the loyal citizens
of Hawaii No real crisis has as yet arisen,
End should such arise il viii probably be
averted by. a vacancy being created in the
councils which will be filled by popular
representative of the people.
BLOCNT'S WITNESSES.
In an interview held with Minister Thurs
ton yesterday he said: From many per-
sons directly interested Mr.. BlOunt took
the testimony Of about sixty royalists and
only twenty supporters Of the provisional
government: one out OF four members of
the executive council; three out Of fourteen
members of the advisory council; two ont
Of thirteen members OF the committee OF
great mass meetings; out or the twenty
three line and staff officers engaged in the
revolution; none of the Jones-Wilcox Cab
met. in Office two months preceding the
downfall of the monarchy. But, added
Mr. Thurston, in a significant manner, The
took all the testimony of the members of
the COburn Cabinet at great length, VINO
were in office but three days.
1t is further learned from a prominent
royalist who IS believed 70 be reliable,
that after United States Minister Willis
had made his demand on the provisional
government he heard that the Queen in
tended TO except several individuals from
Der guarantee Of amnesty. 1t is reported
that. thereupon, the American minister
spent a portion of the evening in question
at Washington Place arguing with the eX-
Queen and urging her TO change her opln-
ION IL Is said that she refused to do this,
and that she excepted from amnesty Presi-
lent Dole; w O. Smith, Attorney general,
Chief Justice Judd and several others.
The public journalists have been making
IL hot for Minister Willis. George Manson,
re virtually declares the United States min
lister TO have falsified an interview. Or.
Tronsseau has also been called to account
for his statements in Blounts report ana
has repeatedly apologiZed
The copyrighted letter received by the
steamer Australia is dated Jan. G, one day
later than the above. 1t says that
Minister ThurstOn, who left on the
Australia carries very full inStruc-
lions on the Hawaiian question, and these
are supplemented by a dozen or more afii-
davits which IL is said, will clear up many
points In Blount's report. and, II is claimed.
set the Hawaiian people in a prop
tba 1-nfted states. The American League
held q prolonged meeting on the nlgnt OF
Ian 3 at which II was determined TO force
the appointment of Walter O. smith, or
The star TO a position in the advisory
council and that should the conservative
element attempt TO place either mis-
sIorarv or a representative OF the planta-
ton interests in the position they would
irnroedie tely announce their determination
10 cease their support OF the provlsloinaa a!
government. From all that can be learned II
Is evident that the aggressive element or
the country is in the forefront or the pres
ent political movement, and that American
ism will be hereafter used as a test of
trlstwOrthiness in public affairs. There IS
little doubt that this present government
is ut last feeling the force of the popular
demand for representation which foreigners
never had under the monarchy, and which
they could not secure under me rest0ra-
ton OF missionary rule. Inc claim Is now
boldly set up by the foreigners represent
Ing the mechanical and labOring elements
CT Hawaii. exclusive OF plantations, and
their demand is ching backed by both pop
uIar appeals and secret organizations. The
latest of these societies is one composed Of
German residents. almost every member
of which belongs 70 the American League.
In addition 10 the regular correspond
ence, the Austraia bronght uuplclte COP
ies of the Associated Press letter, which
arrived here on the revenue cutter Cor
win Jan. >, and which, owing 10 the re-
fusal OF Captain Munger 10 permit any
one 10 communicate with the Corwin, are
probably still aboard the COTwin. The cor
RESPONDENT writing under date of Dec H.
an hour or two after the news of Minister
Wflis's demands upon the provisional gov
eminent had become known in Honolulu
saws: The town Is wild with excitement
All the provisional troops have been or
dered TO be on the alert and sharpshOOters
are already coming into the city. Both
the government and the American citizens
believe the American minister Is playing
game Of bluff. and that he viii back down.
CIeveIand's policy will have 10 meet Ameri-
cans residing here in battle array each
man armed 10 the teeth
THE CORWIN SHOWS HERSELF.
As soon as the Picking steamed into the
harbor this morning. the cutter Corwin.
which has been in hiding on the san QUEEN
tin mud flats. in remote corner of the
bay for eight days past. Immediately
weighed anchor and moved 10 an accessible
point. opposite the city front. where she
assumed a more sociable demeanor than At
any time since her arrival The Peking
brought no passenger Of special promi-
nence from Honolulu. but the Australia had
aboard representing both the
provisional government and the eN-ttueen.
Among them were T. q. MacFaTlane. \.
T. Peterson and Samuel Parker. OF the
Queens advisers and Minister l.. y
ThurstOn and r. NJ Hatch. the latter being
vice president OF the advisory council or the
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