Waterbury evening Democrat., 1894-06-13
A NONPARTISAN TRUST.
Havemeyer Says Contributions Were Made to Both Parties.
HIS TESTIMONY IS INTERESTING.

| The President of the Sugar Combine Talked For Five Hours to the Senate In- vestisating Committee and Has Not Told 1t All Yet-Tarih Work Blocked. WASHINGTON, June 13.-When Mir. H. 0. Havemeyer, president of the American Sugar Refining company, otherwise known as the Sugar trust, was excused by the senate Investigating committee, he had been with the committee about five hours, and notwithstanding the fact that the questions propounded covered all the points contemplated by the resolution un- some issues as we'll which were not strict ly contemplated when the resolution was adopted, he was informed that there were still other points upon which the commit tee desired to interrogate him, and he was asked to appear again today.
 The inquiry was begun by asking MT. Havemeyer about the published statement that he had either on MT. K. c. Benedict $ yacht or at Greenwich, Conn.,, been in consultation with MT. Cleveland and Mr. Benedict in 1892, after Mr. Cleveland 8 nomination for the presidency, about the sugar intcrests as affected by the Hawaiian treaty.
 Does Not Know MT. Cleveland.
 To this MT. Havemcyer said there was mot one word of truth He also de- clared that no such consultation had ever occurred at any time or place. He added that he did not know MT. Cleveland and had never seen him. Furthermore he had never exchanged a word with MT. Beno- dict on the subject of sugar or on any oth- CT business matter.
 With reference to the reported confer ence at the Arlington hotel in this city he said: Some time in March I was in MT. Terrell's room at the Arlington hotel when Mr. Bricc, MT. Smith and Mir. Reed were present. There was nothing at that interview said about the obli igations of the Democratic party to the Sugar trust, there existing no obligation between them, and there was no mention of any. 1 have no recollection of any reference to any obli- gation on the part of Smith, Bricc or any one present.
 He then told how ho had been sent for by MT. Terrell to come to his (Terrell' 's) room and explain the sugar question to Senator Brice, who was there, and how he had gone in, taking his samples, and then delivered what he termed a lecture to Sen ator BriCe on the subject of sugar, repeat ing the lecture for tho information of the committee. He said that a specific duty would discriminate against low grade sug ar, which was the poor mans sugar, and gave other reasons for advocating an ad valorem duty.
 He said that Senator Smith came in aft CT his explanation of the sugar question had been concluded. He said something, however, after Senator Smith made his appearance, about the ''wranglc" he and prn hoH in i'm n to questions said: T said something about the Democratic party that he took um bragc at, 1 thought. l said that the Dem ocratic party was put into power not to destroy any industry, but to take suitable and proper care of every industry, and that this selection of the sugar refining industry of the United States for attack was infamous as party proceeding.
 Had Not Threatened the Bill.
 Mir. HaVemeyCr was very positive that there was no further conversation on tho subject of sugar after senator smith came. Nor was there any reference to the indebt edncss of the Democratic party to the Sug ar trust by him to Senator smith or any other senator, because there was no occaA sion for such reference, as neither he nor the trust had ever made any contribution to the party. Neither had he told MT. Smith that the bill should be beaten if sugar did not get fair treatment He also denied the story of Sunday meeting at the capitol with Senator Catfcry and oth CTS and said he had never been at the cap itol on Sunday or arranged a sugar Schcd ule with him.
 He said he had come to Washington early in March, after the tariff bill had passed the house. with the hope of getting a hearing before the tinance committee and had gone to Senator Vest to ask him If it would not be possible to secure q hearing by the committee. Mir. Vest had said no, but had agreed to allow him to explain the sugar question to him (NCs0 individually, and he had done so, meeting Vest twicr.
 In this interview he had opposed any duty on raw sugar, but had said if there was to be a duty it should be an ad valo- rem, and had represented that differen- tial of one-quarter of a cent on refined sug- ar was indispensable to the existence of the sugar refining interest in this country. He had not been particular whether this differential should be ad valorem or spe- citic, but wanted the duty on raw ad va lorem.
 He then explained the interview with Senator Jones at Senator Camden's rooms and with Senator Catfery at Senator
 
 had told him that an arrangement had been made for him to meet MT Jones. He had talked with Jones about thrcc-quar ters of an hour about the different sys- tems of levying duty and about the cost of refining sugar in this and other countries, when Mir. Jones asked q question that he could not answer and because ho could not answer it the senator had appeared to get ''ruffled' and packed up his papers and left for the senate.
 Meetings With Senators.
 He said that he had been invited to Sen ator Brice's house by the senator to meet Senator Caffcry, and when he met him he merely went over the argument for an ad yalorem duty. Mr. Havemeyer said he had gone to the capitol with MT. Terrell, but not for the purpose of seeing senators or representatives.
 We were idling around, he said; "sort of spectators. "
 MT. Havemeyer made some rather star tling statements toward the close of his testimony. He was asked about the con- tributions of the Sugar trust to the cam paign funds of political parties, and he said that the records of the trust showed that such contributions were made, but that they were made to the state commit tees, not to the national committees He was asked if the contributions of the trust were given to both parties in tho same state, and he replied, "Oh, mo-"
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