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Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24
THE SIRE AND NOT TaE SON.


An ex.munioipll official who has
cause 10 remember the oaustic remarks
applied to him by Elmer 4. Ellsworth,
tho young gentleman who was depo.ol
from the position of deputy city re-
cordUr under Me-. G. l.. Stanton, was
impressed with the IDEA toIay that
Elmer was not calling on smooth mat.
rlmOnial waters at the present time.
Thu conclusion was uaicI on an at
ticlo which appeared in Denver
paper of the 2lstinsL Mt. Ellsworth,
b. viii be- borne in mind, I8st Dis ufllcisI
position Tor iudulgiug in sarcastic
fJmurE about the members % tue last
Diiy Council und carlcntufiug some
uf tuelf proceeding. When officially
called 10 task Tor this Unuusu he said
he did not propose 90 be excluded from
the exercise Of u privilege that was
being inIulgod ia by citizens in
gen fal4
rhc Article referred to % as follows.
"Elmur T. Ellsworth, Whl when his
wife, Mary A., demanded the aim1uy
tnni hal ucon granted BY tho court
couple Of years ug0, together with her
divorce nom hiu, attacked the dCCr0u
at several points as Illegal, has very
politely rejected tho generous offer 0f
tue court TOR hearing 10 ut II aside.
Ho has u very good reason Tor doing ~,
wife No. . anu child. Instead Of hc.
ccpiing the couips pI1ilgg, hu has fled
an affidavit % prove his Inability 90
raise We um1untui aiim1uy ordered BY
the court.
ole says Ice assigned OIL hi1 wages
Ia ADVANCE through several m nths To
pay uh grocer blll, nuI certain dubts
nc contracted iu Pueblo bU ore hc came
here 20 Work at the smallrr HurCr hu
has not asIuglu nickel 30 uusl0w ON hiH
tAswitr, whom bee claims stole march
un him while a. Pueblo, aul got a de.
dice 1T short urlgr."
For the bsuui. Of Air, Ellsworth's
friends auu ucpu,iunuCCi tho state.
mgut u made that the gtllcla does not
concern the Salt Lake gentleman oi
that name. Hu has had no SUCH un.
pleasant experience. Tho man who
has bueu unfortunate iu this case in
his married life o. Colorado citizen,
while tue young Utah hum1flat Do raiu
10 be- In New Yurk, In tue employ VI u
bond'putchasing house.
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24

that the people themselves came near
uelng Hufpriaod; Tor The Bishop lefi
TOT Salt lake Guy early tn the morning
ON business. About 800 mcmburs OF
the ward were IN waiting Tor nearly
three hourB. On his return he was
Informed by n committee that meet.
ing WAS awaiting him aud that no
business could be transacted without
his presence. Two tables the full
length Of the hall AMI one cf0u table
were wolghej down with tue good
thiugs NJ Cottonwood, which dii
not Indicate either poverty Or
q lack Of rool things 10 sat.
ieiy tue most delicate appetite.
Que hundred and ten pursons were fret
seated NJ the table, aud there appeared
u be Sufficient % surround them twice
more.
The Stake Prcsiieut anl hls coun.
selofs honOrrd the Bishop with their
presence. The fofmor Udafoi fitting
remarks for the occasion and pro.
nouncui blessing upon the food,
when ioastlng began, which was kept
az until all were perfectly satisfied.
Several baskets " fragment, remained
Tor tire iuilfm not being in attendance.
- Na..HHN HAAA " AaN AAAN AHHN ~ NNNN|AH
Fret was sweet singing; thenn rtc..
tailon, "a Mothot'6 Love-" by little
gir, followed by comic fccItau1us,
music anu siuging. but the ut0wmug
recitation was the rendition by Nc. Is.
W. Ashton Of Patrick HuuryiB thrill.
iug speech. Liberty, Freedom, with
Victory or Death. Al that early day
IL was by tho weaker ones called
treason, hut resulted ia American
freedom. Closing remarks wuro made
by the Bishop, his councillors aud IA.
ward Stevenson, benuIiution by Milo
Andfus. Mother Harriet WO0lor.on
Dnworth Brlnton, aged "a, mother Of
the present Bishop AMI wife OF tho
former Bishop, remarked that che was
orhad been connected with the bi,h1J.
rio oithc wand thiriyaix YEAR. Mauy
o1ngrAtulauouH AMI good Wishes were
passed aui "a very happy tim, was rn.
JOyrd, A dance tn enc evening was 20
follow. EDWARD STEVENSON.
Bio CUtruNWUJD, salt Lake county,
Utau, Ftb. -, 1894
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24

washington's Birthday was cole
brated at South C1tiouw1ai WarI
House by a SUNDAY school Jubilee
The proceedings commenced atll a.
m. according to program that hai
been prepared by the onl'o" OF tue
sunday School. It consisted OF muSie'
recitauon,, siuging etc. WIN
some interesting sketches OF mo lilo OF
George Washington In hH ooyho2ll
days. Tho exercises were very hl'eB
reniorsi, relootlng great ofgl'' upon
the members aud Officers OF 1no SUI
day School. t..
At about 1880 p, m. there was inter
mlssl1n fora snort timg 90 gl'' the
sunday School Hn opportunity 10 wv,
take OF q picnic that hal been pielalsN
10 satisfy Tue wants Oi the inner MN,
Two long tables were spfenl WV M n
very great variety Of fooia % laaI ~. NJ
could par,ake OF iuvurlo als ,l.l.
rue repasI commenced ny ~9''s
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24

the youngest who were present %
thu tables ilfslnu this continuing 90
change according % tle ages of the
mcmuets OF the sunool; after which The
parents aud the viutUrl from uther
wards all hui an opportunity % satisfy
their appetiies before leaving the table.
About ijJ persons sat down 90 The
tables and rnj iyol real good dinueb
for which the COMMITTEES dCsurvts great
credit, ~ It provided bNuutiiully.
After dinner the children had an 0p.
podiunity Of going forth AMI enjoying
themselves in Che dance, until o pm
as well as they could with sO many
presunt-nbOut 700 young and OLD
AftUt tho close OF the dance for tho
young oranges wtts distributed 20 all
who we're present. The proceeding
wound ~ with q daucu IA the evening
Tor the aiuIt. ruis was n1t ctowdcl
as tue night wns very cold anu blusiery.
ANS,
Souri, CJrr0Sw1oD, Ft1. %, 1894
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24

AT ono o,eloc, this a.tsruoou The
employees Of the u. g. NJ, l.. were clllci
together and Assistant Superintendent
Win. IA. R,we made a short farewell
aiircss, setting forth tina other du'ies,
fetain thr p,sltion hs member
of In, b,,ri Of dlrsyltS aud
would sllll DO Interested "a the
Institution. lie Introduce Mr. George
R0muey d.. AZ manager OF Che depart
ments over which he Ono spgaker) had
had charge. EIward ach9onhcil, un
omrloyr OF ths institution men tr'l a
aal rrearIt-d MIN with % IUlthur ul-
hols.srgi cluch covered with % lIfs.
isn iug. Many spsechs we're mRls
~ tnu employees, ami also ~ alFeliu.
tondent IL. u. Weber nul a good
feeling prevailed.
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24
A Rapid Transit Rule.
SALT LAKE CITY,
Fpbfuary "a. $50
Edaor Dessrs, Macs

Edk0r Dsssrs, Macs
Dear Sir: 1 notice in last evenings
paper that "A complaint IL l0igoJ
against conductoroi the Poplar Grove
Rapid Transit car Tor his refusing
young lady permission TO have a little
pup with her IA the car. An Inquiry
uy the writer Of the complaint az the
OiliCe OF the superintendent concerning
the matter would have resulted la the
lady becoming acquainted with the
fact, that the oompauy's rule 10 allow
no dogs on iia cars gives the conductor
no option M 10 the C0utre he thall
take. She would have further learned
that the Incident 20 which reference Is
made Of four dogs being allowed on a
previous occnslou 20 ride uumOlosted
resulted inu TUprimhnu Tor the con-
duuior and his being laid OIL from work
tor a day ua a puuishmuuL
have been frequent passenger ON
the car named anu am able o. say with
pleasure that | have under all cifcum.
stances found the conductor and motor.
mau uniformly Kind, polite anu accom-.
mOdAtiug. The officials ui the road,
too, have been NJ all times courteous.
They will doubtless regret ~ much IA
the lady herself any dissatisfaction Of
their patrons, but Ia formulating their
rules they have considered tho comfort
aud welfare Of the general public whose
approval they have sought 20 gain,
/ hope Mis-. lumliuADn Will consider
that this ns well ~ many other corpot-
ations have regulations framed ior the
public good, and which no employee
can wilully disregard, AMI that a con-
sidrration Of THIS fact viii ill her with
charity for the men who In all Mnds u
weather aud Tor long hours perform
faithfully thUir mOnOl0nOua tasks.
Yours truly,
The CARMEN's SYMrATuEEn
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24
For CharllY,s Snke.

W. w. Brown sends tho following
items 10 the NEWS Tor publication.
"Quite pleasant little party came
Oh ~ the residence OF Ma. Emma
Brown, No. 45l west, Third North
street, on wednesday, Fob. 2lst. The
ladies Of the Twenty ward Re-.
lief society, consisting OF Saters
Whipple, Jeremy, NeheEur, Pfatt aud
Brown, discussed the momentluo sub-
iecl OF amelioratlng the suffering con.
iltion among the deserving poor Of our
beautiful city"
"rhe young ladies Of the Fourteenth
ward assembly hall have arranged TO
throw in thuir 'widOWS miie,' by
giving very unique entertainment on
Friday, March a1,h, cousistiug of "a
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24
SlK Mlnnrs Killed.

Tho numus Of the elk miueg killed at
Raton, New Mexico, on washington's
Birthday arc J1soph FoiheTiogill,
Richard Thornton, Robert Penman,
Albeit Snyder, Ia Hogan and Samuel
Wullt; tho latter was ~ years OF age.
There we're three men inlurei, WIN.
Graham, August huinquett anu
Harry Wells, but they viii recover.
TIE disaster was cuu'od by an eXplO.
sion IA BlOssburs coal miues.
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24

on Tuesday, Fru. ~, at 1O:SD am.
So. 1886 =. rbtd East Street, house OF
S wOm1. Fine uafllr furniture. easy
willow rockers. nnn mirror in franz,
lounges, three Ono bedroom auiF,
surlngs and bedding, hall tree, lot of
d boz chrppta, s'nirgnIUHf, extension an q
center tables, stands and Utaua tables
and casrls, nuo l.t uf cIc1inFs aui
steel ougfaviuls, toilet oct, sIdu.b1sId,
diuiug md ftugr rhr'f., brackets uud
bficn.ufac, tquafu base burner nui
cook stove, cupboard, hanging and
huld lamIf, silver glaze aud china
ware, Kitchen uiuusl'a, etc, cite.
*. A. ANnUIWH. AuHf uror
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24
To be Buried in New York.

Miss May Brooklyn, the actrui. who
suicidel In san Francisco last week
through grief Al the death Of her lover,
Ia TO be buried In New YORK, Manager
A, M. Palmer, In whose employ she
was, bearing tho expense, The bOdy
Of the deceased actress was In the
blockade on the Southern Pacific west
Of Og4vn, which was raised yesterday,
aud tue remains cOntindei their way
eastward. They were In charge Of "A
Mr. Robinson.
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24
Hmm llls.lonnrY Meeilnr.

The regular monthly meeting " the
home missionaries OF the Salt Lake
Stake OF Zion viii convene In the
Social ball, Halt Lake City,on Wednes'
day, February -5th, 1894, Il through
cause any Of tho brethren cannot
attend the meeting, they are requested
10 send written report OF their labofs
for the month past IN time for said
meeting. JANIS ID, 5TuRLGN0,
CLERK,
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24
NELLIE AND HER WATCH.
Miss Blunor's ATTORNEY Goes In Tor a
Writ VI Iabpa, Corpus.

Evet slncu Nellie Bonner figured a.
a defendant In tho sui, brought against
her IN C1mmi6si1nef pratps court
some time ago by a. -. Msrgctts ct al.
trouble tOrmi 10 hay, constantly
dogged hor iools,cpL Now sho has
been committed by tho commissionpr
t1g cjntomp. iu having refused
10 turn ever gold watch In
per-. satisfaction OF "a Judgment
entered on supplementary proceedings.
AZ that time the ticker was Ia pledge,
Miss Bonner subsequently, redeemed 10
and, a. she states, has Biucc given u 90
her attorney Ia payment o, his bill iof
conducting her case.
HEARING on writ Of hnbeas corpus
Il about TO be had in Judge Mcrrltvs
court, hia honor having issued the
required writ this mlrHilg.
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24

Itsten years ago today aiucc Gram
Rer was organized into 40 occ.esia''i-
cal ward. Ia view OF that event tue
ward r lief Society yesterday prcscut-
ed Bishop Moliau aud his cuuuseinrt
John q. Slacaoy aud John IL, bhwdcui
with handsome chair utc1.
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24
From Glenwood Springs.

J. n. Frsior, cashier Of tho First
National bank Of Glonwood 5pringy,
C0lomio, ami one Of 10 mos. subslan.
tial business men was Ia the city To-
day, lie reports huaiUosB Ha very dull
In hia eccti0n,tu that tourist patronage
NJ the big hotel there has been very
encouraging. lie also reports that an
effort ~ being made ~ secure a beet
sugar factory In Gmud valley, aud
that prospects are good for success.
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24
A Pleasant Surprise.

Eii0r Dcscrei NarU
a grand surprise was gotten up By
the ladies Relief Society Of this
ward. Tho SURPRISED one was
Bishop David u. Brinton, on tho
anniversary OF his forty.fourth birth
day. So complete was the surprise
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24
HON. Moses Thntcher,s nenlih.

a private loltor was received Ia thls
city today from Hon. Moses Thatcher
now Ia San Fnnci'c3. IL conveyed
tho welcome information that Mr.
rha,cher's health was improving aud
that lac iclt buitUr now than Ut ans
time Tor the past two yuars.
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24

concert. ball. nni, and re'r''hmoa,s.
SONS N mo best TALENT Of the city VIII
pariiciraie in the cJnce't such a' w..
<. Cnvc. Geo. ID. lypcr J. i'!0iusou,
Nellie CojobrooE, Allie Bowling ami
G.. aud L.. Guss.
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24

The regular meeting Of the second
quorum Of sevontie', compelling those
who live In tho sixth AID Fifteenth
wards, will DO held On Monday even
inp next, commencing Rt 1850 o'clock
Ia the Fifteenth ward hall
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24
Not Named Yet

Up to tho time OF the NEW going to
press tho appointment OF assisiaut
court stenogtapher had M! been made
uy Judge Merritt, though 80 BE- uuiur.
stood tie committee have presented
their rclod o. his Honor
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24
BACK VOLUMES
DESERET WEEKLY.

Tho sixth yolumoo'lho DEsEREr
WEEKLY In tho present form ia
now bound. A limited number Of
copies Of these siS volumes can DO oh.
taluod at the Drmu NEWS ONCE,
Salt Lake City loo bound form uts2.oo
per volume. Itlsho best history OF
current events to DO obtained, and by
far tho cheapest, and Che limo Is not
far distant whom tboy viii be- eagerly
sought amor by tudonH Of history
anxious to be informed Of tho stirring
events which have tun'pIrcd within
thepast three ou-ihamostintercsi
ing period OF Che history OF the Lat
tor.day Saints. Every person who
can afford lt should secure these
volumes while tby wa to be had
for future reference, aad especially
should thoy be obtained for oyory
Sunday School, Improvement Asso-
citation and Ward library Apply
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24
LEGISLATIVE SUGGESTIONS.
-
"X" Makes a Number Of Propositions
Of Gsntal Interest.

His Irony Directed Co Legislative
cross. Playing, Unicc Hunter. ne.
cent fmpurtatious ANA Merchant.
able Coal
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24
COMMERCIAL
rnnAYIa cLEARlN.LlI-r

T0lays clearing house exchanges
amounted 20 s9J8,0l5. Same day last
year. s2lISil. WcvRa clearing,
sll7a,syi; samu week last year ST.
igi5lU.
Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1894-02-24

New York-sIlvor. 6Oc.; lead, $40.
LDuIon-Silvcr, 27!d.
The watchman and southron. [volume] (Sumter, S.C.) 1881-1930, 1894-02-28
LAUNDRY SOAP.

Bar Box
Lake Side, b bars, 20 to box, 20 90
oI,ogo'' hag = 70 0' Nv 4 GO
Grand, ID bars, 100 to box. %
Chr Llpps, aromatic, IL OF, 100
Roske1 mo cakes 10 box. for, S IS
Olive 1oo cakes to box. , for, 5 so
Cape, same as Ivory, per cake, %
Sapolio, per cake, ~
Thurber's, Pride of the Kitchen,
per cake,
Pearline, per pkg,
Soapine, per pkg,
The watchman and southron. [volume] (Sumter, S.C.) 1881-1930, 1894-02-28
The Banner County.
Spartapburp Herald.

1t is very remarkable that there has not
been single failure of any consequence, that
not single bank has suspended payment and
that not one OF the thirteen factories in our
county has shut down during the hard times.
Especially is the latter fact particularly
worthy of notice since it is very likely that
there will soon be another cotton factory
added to the list. The following figures,
which are authentic, will prove interesting
and show how many spindles are already at
work in the best county in the State:
The watchman and southron. [volume] (Sumter, S.C.) 1881-1930, 1894-02-28
NEW SALT FISH.

Salmon, Columbia River, messed, per 10. l23
Salmon, bellies, per 10. 80
Goldfish, ID. bricks, ana IL
Herrings, smoked, per box, 80
Herrings, Dutch, per keg, 20
Herrings, Dutch: each,
White Fish, very fine, each,
Mackerel, fat family, lb kit, 90
Mackerel, extra 6ne breakfast, 10 To-
kit, 20
Mackerel, fancy, No. l, 10 Id. kits, 90
Mackerel, Bloaters, messed, per lb., rs
Nackerel large rs. each, 8 and 10
Mackerel, fat, 3s, eech, ana
The watchman and southron. [volume] (Sumter, S.C.) 1881-1930, 1894-02-28
TENNY's FINE CANDIES.
IN SEALED PACKAGES.

FRESH FRENCH CANDIES.
Put up in any quantity including
No Jordan's Almonds, Best
Chocolate Almonds, Crystalized
Fruits. Bon Bons, Cocoa 6oods,
Nougat, Caramels, &c.
The watchman and southron. [volume] (Sumter, S.C.) 1881-1930, 1894-02-28
DulCI I1Gr & }UlfIllall.
SOUPS IN CANS.

Libby, McNeill d Libby, 0xta;l,
Nuiligatawney, Chicken. Mock
Turtle. Kidney. Clan Chowder,
Pickert d Co.,-each, 2;
The watchman and southron. [volume] (Sumter, S.C.) 1881-1930, 1894-02-28

In
The watchman and southron. [volume] (Sumter, S.C.) 1881-1930, 1894-02-28
DOMESTIC sARDINEs.
Devilled and Fotted Meats.
PICKLES. SAUCES, ETC.,

Chow Chow, C & B. pit, 40
Mixed, c & B., 40
Mixed, Griswnlds large, each, IS
Plain, J pt. 10 and pit, Is
Sweet Mixed, Heinz, l2oz, 25
Sweet Mixed, Heinz, l8 OF, 35
Sweet Gherkias, Heinz, II OF, Is
J gal mixed, Heinz, IS
gal Chow Chow, Heinz, rs
gal Mixed. N Y, IS
Mixed, English. style, arts, Heinz, IS
Chow Chow, is oz, Heinz, IS
Celery Sauce, II oz. Heinz rs
Celery Sauce, IA OF. Heinz, IS
Onisns, ~ OF bottles, Heinz, Is
Chilli Sauce, Keystone, Is
Tomato Catsup. Riverside, Is
Mustard Dressing, Keystone, 20
Pepper Sauce, Keystone, 20
Horse Radi.h. Esaporated, 6 OF, Is
Mixed Mustard, OF pots, 10
Mixed Mustard, large size. 25
North Of England, sauce, 10
l. i P. Worcestershire, sauce, pit, so
L & P, Worstershire, sauce, pit. Is
Mixed Pickles, gal Pals, / Is
Chow Pickles, gal Pals, l %
sauer Krnut, per ID S to 10
The gold leaf. [volume] (Henderson, N.C.) 1881-1911, 1894-05-17
Among the Poultry.

Give little oatmeal or stale bread
soaked in milk as a first feed to young
chickens.
Filth and lack of ventilation cause
more disease among poultry than any.
thing else.
Sell from the young stock and do not
sacrifice fowls that have proved salts
factory unless very old.
Road dust and finely-sifted wood
ashes in equal parts make good ma
terial for the dust boxes.
Growing ducks should be watered
whenever they are fed, as they seem
to require considerable water while
eating.
Pekin ducks will grow to a market
able size, making greater weight in a
given time than any other breed. They
will also lay more eggs than any other
breed, while the feathers being white,
and mixed with good deal of down,
sell for good prices.
Roup usually comes from damp or
draughty roosting places. The first
symptoms are swelling of one side Of
the head, something like mumps, which,
if not stopped, spreads to the other
side. Isolate all infected fowls in a
dray, warm place and wash with warm
water and CASTLE soap.
Generally. hens should be killed
when they are past years old. as they
lay fewer eggs every year after the
third, and in many ways become less
Drofitah1e At tho Sama time thay
become less fit for the table. 1t is
only in rare cases that hens can be
made profitable after this time.
A good diet for chicks can be made
by mixing together 2 pounds of corn,
Is pounds of oats, 10 of barley and 1C
of wheat bran. Grind all the grain to.
gether and make it into bread and bake
mixing up with milk and adding little
salt. Crumble fine and give each
chick all that it will eat up clean, but
no more, at each feed.-St. Louis Re.
Dub{ic
The gold leaf. [volume] (Henderson, N.C.) 1881-1911, 1894-05-17
Feeding Chickens.

Feeding little chickens pepper and
salt in the food is of benefit. The
salt seems to give them an appetite
and the pepper keeps them warm and
prevents many colds and l believe
many attacks Of gapse. Feed the
fowls once or twice week with corn
meal mixed up with kerosene oil and
water to the proportion of one dessert
spoonful oil to one pint of water. This
is said to be sure cure for the little
white lice that are so troublesome.
Keep the mothers and chicks free
from lice by using insect powder, to-
bacco leaves or stems, cedar boughs or
air slaked lime in the nests. More
chicks die from lice from the mother
than from all other causes combined.
Feed thrown into the coop the last
thing at night furnishes them break
fast as soon as they awake in the
morning and prevents their running
out in the wet quite so early.