The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1894-06-13
HAYEHEYER UNDER hot FIRE
Head Of The Sugar Trust Questioned at
Length by The Committee.
THAT ARLINGTON HOTEL CONFERENCE.
He Tells How He aud Erice Got "Bot' Dur
Ing - DiscnssIou--Nake. Numerous
Dcniais Of Charges.


American Sugar Refining Company
known as the Sugar Trust arrived II
Washington last night in response TO
subpoena from the senatorial committed
engaged in investigating alleged relations
between senators and members OF th'
trust. and APPEARED before the committed
this morning rs a witness. IL was agreed
some time lgo that Havemeycr snoulC
be called. but the committee decided to
get all the information possible from
other sources before placing him on the
stand. IN order that his examination
might b. complete and thorough. The ex-
aininatiOns o. Messrs. Terrell, Chapman
and Reed were conducted with particular
reference 20 forming basis 10 question
ms MIR. Havemeyer. who Is regarded as
the most important witness that has ap-
peaicd before the committee.
AIR Havemeyer was accompanied TO
Washington by +. ;. Parsons. the chief
attorney for the trust. and James 6. car
ter. Of New York, who Will represent him
as counsel. Cord Meyer Of New York,
was also OF the party. lie will be ques-
toned about the alleged contributions TO
the campaign rand. Mr.. Havemeyer was
the only witness examined to-day His
answers 10 questions were curt, and ne
did not offer 20 give information that
was not required. Mr.. Havemeyer showed
he had no respect for titles I'm eliminating
them altogether In speaking OF senators
and others, ard he caused some aston
mittce by MS statement that he had never
seen President Cleveland
Mr.. EAvEMIYxA', TESTIMONY.
81 am president Of the American Sugar
refining Company mis-named trust,
said Mar. HaVemeyer. in answer to a
preliminary question.
Senator Gray read the statement con-
tanned in the Philadelphia Press that
tne witness vas present in the summer
of 1893. after Mr. Cleveland's n0mina-
ton, with Mr.. Benedict either on his
yacht. or In conversation at Greenwich,
Conn. where Air Hayemever re 'ides.
consulting about the sugar interests as
the Hawaiian Islands.
There is not a word OF truth in it,"
said Mr., Havemeyer. mo suca meet
ms had taken place lie also denied the
allegations In the Press article that the
Sugar Trust was organized with refer
eace 10 its influence on the two great
political parties. In regard To the state
nent that the trust. on the whole. is a
Democratic association, the witness said !
IL was not 50.
The Chalrman-'T have already asked
you about the conversation Mr. Edwards |
alleged you had with Cleveland either /
IT. Greenwich. or on the yacht in the |
summer OF 1877, or the summer OF 1893. |
DID you ever nave such conversation any
where
Mr.. Havemeyer-'I have never exchane-
ed a word with Mr.. Cleveland. or in
his company, in my life, and have never
seen the man"
The Chairman-"You have never seen
him."
Cleveland. either In New York or else
where"
Senator Allen-"Do you mean to say.
seen Mr.. Cleveland?"
MIR. Havemeyer--'I have never seen
Mr.. Cleveland"
he looks like. except from his pictures?"
Mr.. HaVemeyer-" Except from his pic
lures. suppose | would know him il
saw him, Nor have | ever exchanged a
sugar. or any other business matter
whatever.
THAT FAMOUS CONFERENCE.
With reference to the statement in the
Press about meeting between Senators
and sugar trust men in Mr.. Terrers
room In the Arlington hotel Mr. Have
meyer said some time in March he was in
MIR. Terreils room. when Senators Brce
ton. were present. There was nothing |
said In that Interview about the obljga-
lions OF the Democratic party to the sugar
trust. lie had been requested TO go II
Mr.. Terrells room. and found Mr. Brice
there.
Mr.. Terrell said Here Is an opportuni-
~ to tell one of the senators what you
Mr.. Havemcyer sent for one box Of his
sample sugar and delivered a lecture on
the sugar question
The Chairman: You said Won had been d
sugar? n
oy Mr m Haye s3,e 5o, Brics and got hot
me CHAIRMAN: In what way and on I
what account? c
Mr. Havemeyer: I said something about :
bragg at, / thought.
The Chairman What was said? -
Mr. Hayemeyer: / said that the Demo- !
cratic party were put into power. NOT 10 q
destroy any industry, but 10 take suitable =
ana proper care of every industry. and /,
mat this selection of the sugar refining g
INDUSTRY OF the United States for attack /,
vas Infamous as a party proceeding. y
The Chairman: was that the matter c
bout which you had what you call the Fl
yranglng? "
Mr.. Havemeyer That is the matter over
which we got rather hot.
The Chairman What did Mr. Brice Il
ave to say? h
HAD So LOVE FOR THg SUGAR TRUST. a
Mr.. Havemeyer: Mr.. Brice said he p
bought the Democratic party felt dis 3,
osed TO be fair about the matter but did ~
OF appear to have anybody who would d
boulder the incubus OF the Sugar Trust ~
nat he was not particularly interested q.
2 1t. as 1t was not an industry in his y
tate. but az "a senator ne did want TO DO u
That was fair and right in the matter 81
nd would like TO hear further exposition W
The Chairman: Was that all that was s.
aid? ar
MI. f1dVemeyer. res, sir. W
The Chairman: Was anything said n, II
ne time about the Indebtedness of the
party TO the Sugar Trust. So
allied? w
Mr.. Havemeyer: No, sir When Mr.
NTH came the conversation on surar
ad ceased and the subject was again re- III
erred TO. The talk was merely desultory Al
The Chairman: Was there any state AZ
scnt made by You or anybody else there -.
hat the bill would be beaten If sugar dtd
OF get fair treatment? II
Mr. Havemeyer: No, sir VI
The Chairman: Did you on that occasion
T any other occasion turn to Senator 10
NTH and ask him buntly, or otherwise i'd
NAT ne was going 90 do 10 maintain the IN
ieaBes OF ms party leaders to the SUGAR A.
lie? '0''0N le,
Mr.. Havemeyer: No. sir q
me Chairman: Did Senator Smith then -,
al any other time reply to you or say 10 III
ou mat he did not see what h, couId
zen 90, but there was always this con-
patton II they could not secure the
'heduie they wanted they could surely
steat the bill. leaving the present law FOL
,eratlVef his
Mr.. havemeycr: No wi
MpBr DENrArs OH
The witness denied positively tho allie "
.uoh o. a meeting at the Capitol one -
lhcay between members of the sugar 900
usl democratic members of the kYnonc. NJ
Dnmitlee. and the Louisiana senator's s
senator Canery mad not drawn anu for
TN schedule while he looked over his -
'ouIuer; Furthermore. he had never been she
we capitol building 10 see Senator's ten
ia Representatives about the sugar scheI FIR,