New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1894-06-19


said his belief was that Terrell was advocating
ha. the bill should be restored 70 the condition 1t
was In when the Committee on Ways and Means Of
the House reported 1t 10 the House AT another
interview when Mr. Terrell called upon the Senator.
he (TerreD reached the point where II was under
stood and so published, that the Commute on
Finance OF the Senate had agreed upon the specific
duty on the raw. land then" testified MI German.
"as remember. went on to show me that that was
vcrv unfair to the refining interest and would oper
ate disastrousy all around, because the duty was
not uniform, the higher rate OF duty would be upon
the low grades Of Sugar and, therefore operated
nm instlv That was about the pGrport Of all his
conversation after the action OF the committee was
understood to be public -. 49,. 49,.
or four in number. Mr.. German had also met H. 0.
Hayemeyer the sugar schedule, ana NJ have
meyer had advocated that the bill should be re-
stored 70 the condition 1t in when the Ways
and Means Committee reported IL TO the House;
which was that the raw sugar should be free and
n duty of " cents placed on the refined. II was I'M
medately after the three days caucus OF the Demo,
Gratis that Mr. Havcmeyer came TO washington ana
called en- the witness. to whom ne tried 70 show
that the sugar interest had been unfairly dealt
sdvocated the duty on refined sugars given but no
duty on raw sugars. Mr. Havemeyer objected TO
operated badly There had been two interviews
only between Mr. Havemeyer and the wit
both times Mr. Havemeyer had said moth
Ing TO Mr.. German about cam M 6,fe- e eois
ANYTHING TO Mr. Havemeyer about campaign con-
tributlons | never saw him until then
THE CONFERENCE WITH MR.. sEARLEs.
Rcsumlns the witness told Of the conference
between Mr.. Searles. Senator Jones ana hiFnseli.
1t was Mr. Germans impression that there haa
been n wide difference OF opinion whether the al
valorem rate OF 10 per cent gave the rehheTs any
advantage over the raw material and Senator Jones
teephoned for Mr.. Searles. and they simply DIS
c,issed figures and tried to ascertain exactly what
would be the operation Of The schedule paseu Oh
- per cent and one-eighth dinerential Ao-a and
Senator Camden and the witness were there ana
listened 10 the conversation. senator Jones anu
Mr. Seares id not agree altogether. Dut nearly
So Tire point % disagreement between mem 1 Vas
THE cost OF raw sugars on the other sue i ,ns
conference took place about week before ue
mai report Of the Finance Committee on the Tar
III bill was made,four days or E wee fitness said
ne favored the al valorem rate - ~
Senator Allen-Dd either Mr. Hayemeyer , OK I M
Searies or any other person connected WIN th7
Sugar Trust ever intimate to you that the Demo-
cratic party was under Obligation 20 tne lot Gun
senator Gorman-Never at any time IN any
stIns upon the par, OF the Democrats party t"
''! s@nator tGormsn-None whatever. never saw
Mr. Havemeyer until he was here IN Masn.hs' Dn;
think | know anybody connected with the Trust
Senator Allen-You know OF no contr.outtlons VI
either Of them. any contributions that the COM
ser senator Gormar-None whatever.
UNDER no OBLIGATION TO THE TRUST.
Senator Allen-And you krow Of neither moral nor
pecunary obligation upon the part OF the Demo
cratic party existing to these men?
Senator Ciorman-Not the slightest. have no
knowledge Of 4, In any shape or form. never
knew Of any contributions being made 70 she Deinua
cratic committee while was connected WIN II, ana
have been connected with Il great many yedls.
St.:i; az li,e AMI know nothing about L. The
whole consideration OF this matter was upon ths
highest possible plane 50 Ter as KNOW, M!' ~
any regard to the interest OF any particular lndi,
It'd,
that the Democrats have In the senate 20 PeIteH.'
the bill. SO that we might be uh.tei am p - he
and such a bill that came as near as pQssDle 70 tne
obligations OF the party II was consieeI ~ Ia,
way honorable men representing the ga a 20
as matter OF course 81 the interest involved care
ful destroy any. and W at me saile u1Is
TO make the light as possible upon the Pe"p'e
senator Allen-In none OF the conversations or
interviews with the representatives, or the sugar
Trust OF which you have any knowledge was mere
any mercenary consideration taken into account "
Senator Gorman-As matter OF course not; no;
with this interest or any other that was S"e''e'
Senator Allen-The article in The philadelphia,
Press OF May beS D1areWs we're actuate by
mercenary considerations. Therefore. asked these
senator Gorman-Yes. sir. There is one thin ,s5
In this article in The Press 10 when "a"' p"
call the attention of the committee. 49,,
Senator Davis-Anything that occurs 10 you 'na'
senator Gorman-Yes. sir saw that they usei
my name in connection with Mr.. Elkinss want want
To- say In regard TO this statement that this gen,,s
stephen b. Ekns. as recall the statement, and ma
You can correct me II | am wrong ihlIolut 10 ~ hat
TO some o, ,nr acoSaintei with then and fnrth
that the relations between Mr. Eiklhs anu ~ ~
Were 'lpsS ~ saw to the committee that he
only word Of truth I'm that statement i .' Ekins
&C. N ar nronounced party man OF the Repuncan
party and am Democrat ana ;. ne me ha nor any
49, ior, In this bill probably except the one a DO
he IS specially Interested IN and that IS con" he has
So FAR AS this sugar business IS concerned ne i'i
~ named II 10 me IN any shape or torm;
want to say that he never ntroduceu IIroeroYnced
gentleman ! knew Mr. Elkns 20 be ph, 20 do.
RenublIcan and | assumed as had rlBn, MA his
that ne was very hostile 10 TINS Dill 90 defeat
hrother Republicans were very ANXIOUS 10 ~ hest
r. and was very anxious 10 pass II IN .ne never
form we could get IT, There hT, ,S we matter
ATOMS WITH MR. ELKINs.
Tho testimony of MI Edwards was READ 10 s"O.
mar &, was when he was before the committee ~
not In The Press article that ne hai i"e'''
Mr.. Elkinss name. ~ obout
Senator Davis-I see there so'"e'"'''e =,
having very great business interests in common
sana,or Gorman-I want to make It very en-
nhatic that Mr. Elkins has never discussssr, 70
me the sugar schedule or anything III a,a,on with
~ ,sniv Connected with the Sugar Trust OF In.
Interest My connection with him IN nusm stock
,nres,s "a that 1 happened to he s.ila n bs il A
hnider IN two or three companies in when ne ara
large one My personal relations have We stated be-
pleasant. Our pOiltiNS' 90
senator DavisIThese companies have no 'e'A'N
10 the sugar interest! .
senators Cameron Irby. WasnouTTnn ria au answered
were the other Senators examined They @''
'N no Iror-net questions In the negatHe, was
Mr. Rowland. of The New, ork ,iirrnail,n ne
with reference 10 the nlolr pansom
Thought he possessed implica ting SehtO' ,hiv ais
in sugar speculation. which was so Ransom sat-
r1av when he showed that his SON. 4eurs had
SOM and his messenger, Cap tann shops.
Mr. Rowland confirmed Senator hanso'n .s,,rary
nen and said ne had evidence 20 20. ' me name Of
He said the nrm on whose SO ~ ~ S'0'
Ransom occurred was Silsby q % -,
1AyF,MEYER AND sBARLES TO BE i
DICTED. A.,
After the Senate Investigating Committee Ia
shed the examination Of Senators this ai'er" ,'.,rs
,ed a secret session for more than an houn, ths
which time the proposition Of MI. Men a. president
10 president 10 certify the Witnesses ~ sugar
Iavemeyer and Treasurer Scaries, Oh u nnd acted