The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1894-02-14
N THE STATE SENATE
,ur TRIPS or TRE COMMIT
TEES JUNhETING goUEs? 81.
mi. question was pi'ous''d at Length
s,psior wicAhsm Explains the "est
Virginia Debt Question.

,.,tc,ing trips received . heavy Gre
Sic senate Yesterday from behind
~. sreastworks OF joint resolution ana
sacstson Of whether the biennial TOUT
che Committees on Public Institutions
o,.rciy pleasure trips Tor the Fun OF
.-.,..sone members at State expense, OF
r..uv practical Investigations OF the
..t,tiors visited. received wide as
..t.n The speeches were ali "i'"h
t.rnds of strict senatorial courtesy,
t.t tho criticisms 90 the commute 49,
49, tho les. plain. senator LoNehsteln
odd them AS reflections upon MN
hairusan. aud threatened TO Withdraw
s.,-, further service on the committee IL
. srr,necmcnts made by the committee
.re interferci with. The Whoie oSSuS-
E ,rose when Senator Lovcnstcin ask
"a permission for a Subcommittee OF me
r,nmittcc on public Institutions ana
l.israion to visit the University OF Viz
,tra The Western state Hospital AT
Stanton. and the Virginia Military In
Rrfosc the chair had time 70 put the
motion granting permission. Sena'
SOM who last week declared ms or
ro.ifion to "iunketinG committees.
ferred the following resolution, Whioh H'
ton coming mp.
Sir. Wa,son'- Resoi"tiop.
,,..,...t t,. the Senate the House OF
t,'to,,t,.s ,5ncurring. That n ~ inc
s,,apment OF the Committee OF Iupi'c -"
sti,1tions of the Senate aud OF SEN an
COLLEGES of The House. 1t IS esseil''"' ~
,t fho public institutions or li'
Id inepcction shall be made by
t,l,,, committee of one from the senate
,J fro from the House Of Delegates.
t. sneal.ing 90 his motion he ac-
.,.is5red the courteses received by
cd. chairman of the committee ana those
,ho entertained the committee on tnef
,.u.s he declared that he did not De-
49,. any committee OF this kind had ever
reurred and made one valuable sugses-
.to. to the Legislature. while IL took
fr,n that body a large number OF menu
,,rs when they were most needed IN
,ee.r seats 60 transact the important BUS
moss Of the Commonwealth lie thought
such o committee as ne named might III
,hsr went a. It systematically. Obtain
useful information. while "A car lNh "'u'-
d. nothing practical. a..
vr HAY asked who entertained '"e
committee when they visited the H'n'
Institutions. and who paid the expenses
~ these Trims. Mr.. watson said ne I'M
6o,.tood that the people of the state
raif FOR them and that some OF ln'Sr
,.nketing tours cost 500. That ne hao
never known one of these committees 10
come back and report ono id'' j" WI"
rertion with tho trip.
-o,sfor Ioyonsfein said 10 had been tho
custom, 10 make these tours ever since he
had been "A member Of the General A.
sernhIy. and they had, he knew from ms
own knowledge been Of great advantage
CD the state. lie referred specially 10 q
trip 20 stanton four years ago. Wileh
nv the oversight and judgment giNer
o,or a contract for the erection OF q
building for the incurable insane. large
amount Of money had been saved. lie
farriug 90 the trips this year, nc chal
fouqed the senator from NottOway u
show where one cent had been expended
lie denied ever having approved an.
bills of $500. and said he knew nothin
of such expensive accounts. Early IN IN
session he had been instanced 10 max
arrangements for visiting the institutions
The committee went 10 williamsburg o.
"a dav when the Legislature was not 3
session lie claimed that the inspection
we're productive of great good in fur
rIshing the Finance Committee with IN
formation. and IN ascertaining what wa
needed in the institutions.
senator watson asked If il was not
faet that all these inspections cost IN
State something.
senator Lovenstein replied that the
did but the cost was comparativel
small.
continuing. Mr. Loycnstein said: tn
senator has referred 10 our committt
going on without leave. We always r.
leave ~ we go when the Legislature
in session. but as far as that Is conceri
90. ] know OF senators who go OF whe
they get ready. 10 attend 10 their priva
affairs, without leave from anybody"
IN answer 10 further question fro
Senator Watson. ne said the expense a
tending former trips was the actual boar
Of the members OF the committee viii
away; that heretofore he had succeed'
in securing transportation free. but tn
for the coming trip they would have
charter a car. ana the expense Won
probably be hundred ana fifty dollars.
Wanted to Know.
Senator Hay wanted 10 know IL q
state ala not pay for the dinners. Il
champagne etc.
Alr. Lovenstein replied that there W
no champagne. lie had given orders Il
there should not be. He understood
entertainments were paid for by the
icers
MIR. Herbert expressed the view II
Those trips were good things for the Sta
Air. Watson said he aid not understa
that the committee at their meeting ca
in thc session had directed that the tol
be- made by full committees
IT believe that the effect Of such Wis
viii bc that our committees are so y
entertained and so pleased with the tire
nent they receive that they will co
hack already pledged to grant any ann
priation asked FOR beforehand"
Mr.. Stubs having rallied him on
speech made al williamsburg. IN which
promised "tO do anything for them (
he could" AR Watson. in the same spi
repiied that his case was only anot
proof OF the danger of what ne said
hc now presented himself as "a victim
these influences. "Thc fact is sir.
said. that 7 promised them my in
cncc 10 secure for them what is neccss
and right. but ] did not promise to '
money out Of the treasury when We
noe have money to spcnd. We are J
aiding our public institutions on a 81
moro muniicent than other states n
able and wealthy. We now appropr
tAeoo 10 our cleemosynary Institute
and about S509oo "a our eeemosyn
and literary institutions both together
Mr Echois t. the K"scue.
Mr Echols then spoke and said. a
representative Of place where was
Dated tHo Of the state institutions.
was loa'h 10 speak. but lie felt n
duty 20 sustain the chairman OF the 6
mIt'oe on Public Institutions against u
must he taken as reflection on
lle complimented Mr.. Lovcnstcin on
long and valuable services 10 the ~
and showed that in arranging for
committee 10 visit the public institute
he was acting under a resolution OF