Waterbury evening Democrat., 1894-06-05
VOTE ON SUGAR TODAY.
Amendments to the Schedule to
Be Disposed Of.
DEBATE CLOSED BY AGREEMENT.

The Testimony of Secretary Carlisle and
the Senators Who Were Before the Sugar
Trust Investigating Committee Given to
the Senate.
WASHINGTON June By an agree
ment reached just before adjournment all
amendments to the sugar schedule will be
| voted upon today in the senate. Accord
| ing to both sides, the fate of the bill de-
ponds upon the disposition Of the sugar
schedule, and the fact that the Repub-
| licans have agreed to allow the issue to go
to a vote indicates that the end of the
tariff debate in the senate is not far dis
tant.
All sorts of amendments will be offered,
the two on which the Republicans base
most of their hopes of breaking the lines
of the Democrats being those to change
the date on which the schedule is to go in
to effect and to wipe out the one-eighth
of a cent differential given by the sched-
ule to the refiners of sugar.
The Democratic managers, however,
claim to be entirely confident that the
schedule will go through without mate
rial change. The debate was interesting,
but not sensational, its most important
feature being the explanation of the schcd-
ule by Mr.. Jones' This was the first pub
1lC TDESldilOl VI IL ny u bSlAlOSIoIlS
member of the finance committee and to-
tally varied with the Interpretation put
upon it by Republicans, especially as to
the amount of protection afforded by it to
the Sugar trust.
Sugar Trust Investigation.
The testimony of several senators, also
that of Secretary Carlisle which was Civ
en- before the Sugar trust Investigating
committee, was presented to the senate.
Secretary Carlisle in his testimony does
not agree with Senator Jones as to the
time and place that he (Carlisle) was
asked to put the sugar schedule into shape.
Mr.. Carlisle stated that Mr.. Jones had re-
questcd him to have the sugar schedule
prepared the morning of May and had
come to his house for that purpose and
had handed him a memorandum stating
what he wanted done. He had agreed to
do this, as the service was one that the
treasury department was in the habit of
rendering the members of the finance
committee. After he went to his Office
he dictated the schedule providing for the
ad valorem duty of 40 per cent and the
additional one-cighth of a cent on sugars
above No. Is Dutch standard.
Senator Jones of Arkansas was especial
ly questioned about Secretary Carlisle'S
agency in the preparation of the sugar
schedule. He said that he and Senator
Vest met Mr.. Carlisle incidentally at the
room of the senate committee on approprt
atoms the day before the last amended
tariff bill was introduced, and he asked
Mr.. Carlisle to prepare the schedule, just
as he would have asked the clerk of the
committee to do it, because he had the
facts at his command. we had made up
our minds" said Mr.. Jones, that we
were going to prepare 10 per cent sched-
y,1A Dy,6 han do
l proposed to Mr.. Carlisle to draw up the
amendment. My recollection is that I
first asked Mr.. Carlisle to write that schcd-
ule one way, either for 40 or 40 or 40 is.
l aftcrward asked him to write it the 9TH
err way l do not remember exactly when
1 asked him, but my recollection is that
he made that change from one to the 9th
CIR. That is the schedule 1 talked about
here. think that was done. The change
was made at my request if there was one
made. l think there was a change made
at my request.
Senator Vests Testimony.
Senator Vest said that Mr.. Carlisle was
in the committee room from time to time
and consulted with the members of the
committee in regard to the tariff BILL that
he expressed great anxiety that the COM
mittee should agree upon some measure
and that it should become law, but he
made no statement about party obligations
to the Sugar trust. Mr.. Vest said he had an
indistinCt recollection of Mr.. Carlisle
drawing up n provision in regard to sugar,
but he did not know who received it, nor
did he know that he had ever seen it. At
any rate it was not the schedule that was
adopted, and if he did prepare a schedule
his preparation of it had no connection
with the reported scene in the committee
room, which never occurred.
He pronounced as "a lie made out of
whole cloth the story that he had chang
ed front on sugar and had said that he
would be compelled to cease associating
with Joe Hickey because of the suspicion
which might he aroused by the fact that
Hickey was a speculatOr. Il was for free
sugar, he said, but was finally COM
PEELED to favor cent pound on raw sug-
ar and no duty on refined sugar and no ad
valorem -
Mr.. Vest said that while the bill was in
committee Mr.. Havemcyer had come to
his house. and had brought him samples,
and had spread them out, and had OK
planned the difference between the ad va
loren and specific systems, but there was
no secrecy or conccalment about his visit.
He had come as any other manufac-
turer would and had made an argument
for what he wanted. Delegations repre-
senting the Louisiana interest had also
called on him.
Closing his testiomny, Mr.. Vest said:
L have never used my official position for
private purposes. Any statement that
have is absolutely false, as is also any
statement that I ever gave any informa-
ton or had any connection with the Sug-
ar trust-that is also absolutely false If
anybody can make the denial broader,
wish he would do so.''
Senator Voorhees, Denies.
Senator Voorhees, was first asked about
the report of Secretary Carlisle's recent
visit to the finance committee and his de-
mand for protection to sugar because of
campaign contributions. He denied that
any such interview had ever taken place,
Il never said he, talked with Mr..
| Carlisle on the subject of sugar but once,
| and that was in the office of the secretary,
and it was early in the tariff work, when
| we discussed the question of the polari-
scopic test and the question of specific or
ad valorem duties. 1 never heard the sub
ject of contributions by the Sugar trust
discussed in regard to tariff legislation by
the secretary of the treasury or indeed
among ourselves. 1 never saw Mr.. Have
| meyer and should not know him if
should meet him. Nor do know a hui
man being who belongs to the trust"