The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1894-06-05
All Deny Having "Dickeredv with the
Representatives of the Great and
Favored Monopoly.
SENATE COMMITTEE REPORT
Testimony of Mills, Vest, Harris,
Jones and Voorhees,.
Trust Stock Handled by Senator Nc
Pherson's Son -Carlisle's Statement
Concerning "Persuader" Havemyer.

as chairman of the special ami to in
vestigate the alleged operations of the
Sugar Trust in connection with tariff legis-
lation, to-day submitted to the Senate the
second batch of testimony taken before
that committee concerning the examination
of all the Democratic members of the
finance committee, including Senators Voor-
hees. Jones. Harris, Vest, Mcpherson. Mills
and Secretary Carlisle, and Hon. John De-
witt Warner, of the House.
Senator Mills denied all knowledge OF
the reported secret interview of Secretary
Carlisle on the sugar question and said
that he and Senator Jones and Senator
Vest had prepared the sugar schedule as
first reported, and he knew nothing of any
memorandum for the schedule from the
Secretary. He also denied all knowledge
of the alleged Sunday conference of the
finance committee with those interested in
securing sugar legislation. He said he nad
never heard of members Of the Sugar
Trust being in the Capitol while he was
acting as a member of the finance COM
mittee. and that he had never met any of
the members of the trust. The letter of
introduction was merely a formal note con-
tanning only two or three lines. He de-
clined to see Mr.. Havemyer. Senator Mills
also denied any knowledge of contribu-
tons to the Democratic campaign COM
mittee.
CARLISLES TESTIMONY.
Secretary Carlisle's statement as il APP
pears in the published testimony is not
materially different from that given to the
press officially the day after he was be-
fore the committee, but some points are
presented in greater detail. His memory
does not correspond with that of Senator
Jones as to the time and place that ne was
asked to put the sugar schedule into shape.
Mr.. Carlisle stated that Mr.. Jones had
requested him to have the sugar schedule
prepared on the morning of Saturday. the
9Th of May, and had come to his house
for that purpose and had handed him a
memorandum stating what he wanted done.
He had agreed to do this. as the service
was one that the Treasury Department was
in the habit Of rendering the members of
the finance committee. After he went to
his office he dictated the schedule provid-
ing for the ad valorem duty of 40 per
cent. and the additional one-eighth of 1
cent on sugars above No.. IS Dutch stand
ard. At 2 O'Clock that day he went to the
Capitol in response to a telephone message
requesting his presence, taking the sugar
schedule which he had put In shape with
him. He found Senator's Jones. Vest and
Mcpherson and Representative Breckin-
ridge I'm the room of the Senate committee
on appropriations and Senator German
After talking some time said Mr..
Carlisle. 1T was suggested by some one
but certainly not by me, for | made no
original suggestion about iI-that instead
OF having 40 per cent. ad valorem upon all
sugars and one-eighth Of l cent additional
upon. sugars testing above Is Dutch stand
ard In color there should be A duty of 40
per cent upon all sugars below No. 16
Ilnfch STANDARD in nn1nr the o11tfinno1 :
per cent. being, as you will observe, equal
to one-eighth of the 10 per cent. on the
other grades. That was talked about, and,
while it was not agreed TO. because. as /
say. there were only two members Of the
finance committee pres ent-Senators Jones
that they would submit that Kind of prop
osition to the committee. Thereupon some
one asked If would not write it. I said;
have in my mind and interline ia In addi-
ton to that they said they wanted TO put
the Hawaiian treaty. They wanted to in
sert a clause that this schedule should not
abrogate or in any manner impair the
asked me if l could not write that also.
said: I will Just take this paper and
provided for one-eigRth Of pare cent wn per
pound additional and put in the provision
for 45 per cent ad valorem. Then 1 added
lneations being also In my own hand
writing all the provisions now contained
IN IL Win regard TO the HAWAIIAN treaty
Secretary Carlisle then told of his visit
to the Capitol the next day. which was
to be made. to correct a discrepancy in
the sugar schedule, which. If 1t had not
been corrected. would have left sugar with
list Of July. 1894. and the LIST of January,
1895. This error had occurred to him. and,
had driven to the Capitol to make the
suggestion that the hiatus should be pro-
yided. for, when. to his surprise. he had
son and Representative. Breckenridge at
work on the tariff amendments which were
to be INTRODUCED on the following day. He
he had interlined. changing the duty on re-
fined sugar from the compound rate OF 40
RRs sa e Simply n SAID: been aAli fb aish3,s ana and aoh he
away.
his direct testimony, Mr.. Carlisle said:
teriineation in the committe on finance, I
handed to Senator Jones as ! passed
Saturday. and l have never seen it since:
Now 1t seems to me that some person-I
anen n9n nto IN my whq NJ fittings u seso saat
~. from the statement which the Senator
sas sqse read ID t 9a me- es and pus sS far as 70 | am am
Whole world and read In the senate or
anywhere else. 1t was simply a compli-
ance with the request of Senator Jones and
has based all this statement, / presume,
though he fixes the time in February. 1t
was on the fifth day of May"
Upon being asked by Senator Lodge
whether he had advised the finance com
mittee as to whether 1t was better to have
ad valorem or specific duties. Mr.. Car
Isle said: i have always been in favor
of the ad valorem duty. but / do not re-
member that / gave them any such opin-
ion then. There was very little said about
1t. ] may say also that i have always
been in favor of a moderate duty on sugar
as a revenue article. and ] prepared the
minority report on the Mckinley bill
against the provisions putting sugar on
the free list" Mr.. Carlisle said that he
knew that ad vaiorem duties were advo-
Gated by the sugar-refining interest, for
both the refiners and the planters, as well
as others interested In tariff legislation
had talked with him about their business.
With reference 10 the note of introduce
ton which he gave Mr.. Havemyer to Sen
ator Mills. he said that he wrote the letter
for him as he wrote letters for others in.
terested in tariff legislation TO other mem
bers of the committee, and he hoped IL the
| note was still in existence Ii would be
made public. He said he had known Mr..
Havemyer for a number of years, and Mr..
Havemyer had stated that he also knew
Senator Mills. but feared the latter would
not see him unless he had the note. He
had never refused to write such a letter II
he thought the man who requested IL was a
gentleman Mr.. Havemyer, he said. had
called TO see him about the tarif legisia-
ton on sugar, as had also Mr.. Searles
and Henry r. Reed, OF Boston. and all
not remember what they had said. There
had been. however. no intimation from
any of them that the Democratic party
was under obligations to the Sugar Trust