New-York tribune., 1894-06-12
STILL PROBING THE SCANDAL.
SENATOR CAFFERY EXPLAINS HIS IN
TERVIEW WITH MR.. HAVEMEYER.

HOW THE LATTER "IIAPPENED' TO BE IN MR.
RRrcE.s HousE-MR. CHAPMAN TO BE PROSE-
CUTED-HENRY r. REED TEsTIFIEs.
Washington June 1.-THE session Of the Sena-
torial Sugar Trust investigators to-day was de-
void OF any sensational developments. but ACTON
of interest taken by the committee IN TWO
cases A discussion OF the testimony Of Elverton
r. Chapman, Of the stock brokerage firm OF Moore
& Sch!ey who refused en- Saturday 10 answer
Questions asked him by the committee. resulted III
a decision to certify the refusal Of Mr.. chapman
IN the Vice President, with view TO having MIN
indicted by the Grand Jury under the law applied
AGAINST Messrs Shriver and Edwards, the o,hsr
recalcitrant witnesses. The committee also ois-
cussed the question OF holding sessions win open
DOORS but the decision was In the negative Inc
ostensible reason given by the committee Tor this
action Is that 1t has not accommodations FOR tnose
who might come II the doors were opened. Ihere
was some talk OF allowing representatives OF the
nress associations and no others TO be present AT
tho sessions but the successful! argument was naue
that this discrimination, ana "ouia CAUSE
dissatisfaction.
Senator Caffery Of Louisiana to-day mace a
statement before the committee with reference 10
q ro,nark in the testimony given by him. i was
requested to see Mr.. Havemeyer, VINO happened
20 be In the House." he had SAID IN teiHhg oi d
visit to Senator Brice at his residence In cor
recting any false impression that may nave ariSe''
from this remark. Mr. Cafery said:
PRIOR 10 seeing Mr. Uavemeyer. there was is nis,
cislion between thoqe present and Senator white
and myself TO the compagave , srrs m sgar U There
vas q good deal Of difference OF opinion on shs
point and Senator Brlce ita'ad r,pron maI Hotel who
knew more about. or VINO ought ~ n.'om ~ s"oar
about me operator a,Ser I man in the United states
and that II II agreeable re "ouid ssiu hn, ~, mn
That man w2s Mr TcS statement at the Airing
ION Hotel senator Brcc desired to Know ol me III u
having a discussion with him on this particular
point. I told him had not
THE discussion went on:
The Chairman-Dd Senator Brce send Tor MIN
and tell him that suggestion?
Senator Canery-Yes Sir
The Chalrman-Did Mr.. Havemeyer arrive AFTER
ward?
Senator Caffery-Hc did
The Chllrman-Was It then that you had as
cussion with him In a room by yourself?
eer,to- cafrery-It was then I had a discussion
v,,,h him in a room by myself In Senator Brice's
library whore | was invited by Senator Brice 10
meet Mr. Havolneyer and discuss this sugar scheu-
ule with him on the point OF al yalorem ana spe-
croc r,tes / s.mp.y desire to state that Mt. nave
never came - the house n pursuance OF INVITA-
ton of senator Brlce. as above stated.
only one witness was examined by the committe,
today. He is Henry X. Reed OF Boston the sugar
rcnner He is a member Of the hrm @ OF - S"nn. ~.
"vyners or the Revere Sugar Refinery. an inae.
nenlen, company not connected WIN tne lIust & uu0
he competitor OF H." to quote Mr. Reed. The WY
n.ss tod the committee that he had not oeen IN
Washington In connection WIN me h "a soid
T'r"S, N am not a member ~ the Trust ne shlu.
NOR in their counsel or confidence have been
here for my interest only-no otnrri NJ NJ an a
hen here many times since February ana had seen
haJ called on Senator'S Mcpherson. voorhees, jones'
t'vs ba H', wss he subjec, Of the conversation and
what was the line OF communication oetween you ei
and ther. so far as THE ieeis'a''oh Is GUM
/ "a Z 'ha
Mr Recd-So far az this legislation s concerned
shoui say--or 80 far this schedule IS concerned
and have had consultation on any o'neb
having interest in Il should gay ,h ~ a, nai
other for ;he reason that when first cai,ei on MN
he esked me a great many questions about ~" olsI-
ness He asked for facts and figures got tnsm y
him from our own books and gave him iaSts ana ana
ngres re.ating TO the business Of very conldental
nature AMI gave them to him that he might ioF4l
his own Judgment about the matter. ..,,. -
The Chalrnlr-What was mat lnio''h"'o" -
Sir. Rec-The objec; had N giving the informa, a.
ton that b. might form his own opih'o" a' "
The The Chairmain-"As to what was propery' What
w. Mr Res,i"As 70 What would BE- the difference be-
tween ruin and the reverse o; IT, -. ...o., .o--
The Chairman-Dl You Contend there were GER
Wr Reel contcnlel that the bill as II came
from the House. free raw and free refined meant
Tie Chalrman-Dd YOU use any other argument!
The chai-man-Dd YOU use any statement as a.,
20 the in1eb, ,ness % the Democratic party. or oil
I
| bv them - The campaign fund OF either party;
Mr r H~ei sal! he had never contributed 20 any
political party - inAHen'r lgs'sa,i2nt, IT, ha',
! III. Arlington ana remembered meeting, naor
Yr.re there on o3' or t"o occasions. anu senator
Tbo chalrman-Was anything sal on the oc-
ceson by Mr.. Havemoyer or any one else II tpe
prrsenc4 of senator Br!cc or senator Smth or any
6taor Democratic senator. IN regard 70 me oolsa
| tons u the Demo ratio party ior campaign con-
~ ri \, sir
The Shtlr-uan-Do you know of any Senator OF
tho Tnitrd states engage! IN speculation. N Sns''
cDrtln.afcs or stock. or whatever they 'aH thfln
Mr Reed-l have no knowledge whatever on tha'
Ihc Cha,rman-Wcre you ever IN the Capitol or
any room OF thr senate wing ~ the Capitol. our
aftcr or about the time that the bill WAS reported
fro-, fhe Finance Committee. With Mr. HaYemeyeT
Mr Terrl Mr. Ben IL Feyre ani others?
Mr. Rcel-Ncver. .
4 trusscd any plan with the members OF the sugar
'rrus. nor with ANYBODY else. 10 be pursued with
rcfr-rnc,, - the Tariff bill He had talked with
,rsu,hnrs OF Tie Trust abDG; the bill and the sub
oplnon that II the schedule was not improved
the rcnncrs would have TO engage IN some o'her
Mr. Reel's testimony continued some length.
hearing uton the process and cost % refining sugar
lie s1il he had been in he sugar business all MS
lie He was unable TO tell what portion ot every
500 OF benefit arising 20 the rehnlng interests
through the system OF taxation to-day goes 10 the
lahorcr and woud not undertake 10 say that ne
could give that Information.
4 yERDICT FOR W. 7. LEITITT
HE GETS 5000 FRou T.. \. DE MAURIAc FOR THE
IN