Morning journal and courier., 1894-03-14
ROME RULE STILL LIVES.

ROME RULE STILL LIVES. IL Has not Been Abandoned by the Retirement of MT. Gladstone Hut 1t Has Been Temporarily Suspended. LONDON, March 13.-Lord Randolph Churchill resumed debate on the address
 in reply to the quesn's speech in the com mons to-day and said he considered the program of the ministry an insane one If | 1t was meant to be carried out In single | session. It was supreme arrogance to ask the house to pass 90 unmansgeable nneas- ure in face of the opposition of 800 mem-
 bers, who were prepared to resent both
 the abolition of the house of lords and the
 creation of home rule for Ireland. He
 predicted that there was not c man living
 to-day who would live to see the establish
 ment of an Irish parliament, nor was there
 . man living who would live to sec the
 abolishment of the lords.
 John Morley, secretary for Ireland, in-
 sisted that there could be no injury to legislation by the temporary suspension of
 the home rule bill. Home rule, he said,
 had neither been delayed nor abandoned,
 but would take its place in the course of sequence ss had been arranged prior to Mir. Gladstone's retirement. As to the Irish party withdrawing its support he
 was happy to say there were no signs of any such disastrous event. There could be no mistake in the minds of anyone who had read the speech made in the lords yesterday by Lord Rosebery that he meant to do all in his power to achieve home rule.
 John Redmond, Parnellits, said rever during his experience in parliament had . more difficult and humiliating tack fallen upon a chief secretary for Ireland than the present one, which put him up to try by the strength of his own character as genuine friend of Ireland to remove the i'm prsssion created by the halting and ann biguous phrases of Lord Rosebery. What ever MT. Morley might say. he declared Ireland would not trust Lord Rossbery. He (Redmond) repudiated Lord Rosebery's doctrine that the English majority was necessary for the passage of home rule. The theory was insulting and humilist- ing to Ireland who alone had the right to decide. If Lord Lord Rosebsry's doctrine was right the lords had the power to con- tinue to throw out home rule or any other measure the house of commons might pass. If that right belonged to the house of lords through privileges of birth, then, he de- clared, Great Britain would ring with the cry for Its abolition. Joseph Chamberlain adhesion of the government to their old policy, as 1t gave g definite issue on which to meet them on all sides.
 MT. Labouchere said he was one of the | many who were dissatisfied with the man. ner in which the liberal party has been transferred to its new leader. He con- cured with MT. Redmond in saying that | the position of the home rule bill has been | changed by the remarks of Lord Rose | English majority In it's favor, why had the | last session been wssted MT. Gladstone | had declared home rule as the absolute | right of Ireland, without reference to @ majority of the United Kingdom. There | could not possibly be wiser body of men to perform what were the supposed duties | of the second chamber than the present | lords.
 MT. Lsbouchers then moved an amend l ment to the address that the power now | enjoyed by persons who were not elected | franchise yet who are able to prevent the | passage of bills shall cease.
 Sir William Harcourt, chancellor of the | exchequer, opposed the amendment in an | impressive speech, taking the ground that | @ message of such grave character ought to | bs taken only after the most serious delib- l sration. When the division was made | 147 members voted in favor of the La l bouchere amendment and 145 against. There was much excitement in the lobbies | after the announcement of the vote. The | dinner hour, when e.half of the mem hara uaro ahaant III fha Tr{sh an, haro MT. Labouchere.
 When debate on the address was re- | stunned, Joseph Kennedy. Parnellite, moved | an amendment to the effect that the time | had come when the cases of prisoners con- victed under the treason-f felony act might | be sdvsntageously reoonsidered. William Field and John Redmond, Parnellite, sup ported the motion. MT. Asquith, home secretary, said that the declarations he made year ago still expressed the views of the government. He regretted to cay of the crimes referred to, the government could not accept the amendment. After Timothy Harrington, Psrnellite; T. N. Hesly, snti-Psrnellite, and Charles Cony- beare, radical, had spoken in support of the amendment, the amendment was re- jected by vote of 288 to 98.
 John J. Clancy, Psrnellite, then moved an amendment impugning the government for virtually continuing in Ireland the methods of the late government. The amendment was seconded by Timothy
 Harrington. A. J. Bslfeur, conservative leader, asked the government what its in tentions were with respect to its defeat on
 MT. Lsbouchsre's motion. Sir William
 hsrcourt replied that the government in- tended to proceed with the current busi- ness. John Morley then replied to the charges made by MT. Clancy.
 Joseph Chamberlain moved that the de-
 bate be adjourned. The motion was agreed
 to by Sir William Hsrcourt. MT. Balfour
 expressed the hope that the government
 would be prepared to state Its policy to-
 morrow. The majority of the ministerial
 ists do not dieapprove MT. LaboucheIe's
 victory, but they are perpleIsd over the governments defeat. Iu looking upon preoedents it has been found that the only way of getting rid of an amendment like MT. Labouchere's is by having the house vote on the address ss @ whole.