The Washington times., 1894-06-05
MORE TESTIMONY ON SUGAR
Second Report Made by the Senate
Investigating Committee.
HOW THE SCHEDULE MAS FIXED
Senators Claim That Conferences with Repre-
sentatives Of the Sugar Trust We're Legiti-
mats in Character-Mors About the
Alleged Campaign Fund.

Senator Gray, as chairman of the special
committee to investigate the alleged opera
tions of the sugar trust in connection with
tariff legislation, yesterday submitted to the
Senate the second batch OF testimony taken
before that committee concerning the e1-
animation of all the Democratic mem-
bers of the Finance Committee, including
Senators Voorhees,, Jones, Harris, Vest, Nc
Ph erson, and Mills. and Secretary Carlisle
and Hon. John De Witt Warner, OF the House
OF Representatives.
Senator Jones, of Arkansas, was questioned
especially about Secretary Carlisles agency
in the preparation of the sugar schedule. He
said that he and Senator Vest met Mr.. Car.
Isle incidentally in the room of the Senate
Committee on Appropriations the day before
the last amended tariff bill was introduced,
and he asked Mr.. Carlisle to prepare the
schedule Just as he would have asked the
clerk of the committee to do it, because he
had facts at his command. 1--WE had made
up our mind" said Mr.. Jones, that we were
going to prepare 10 per cent schedule.
and when this proposition was made
/ proposed to Mr.. Carlisle to draw up
the amendment or have il drawn. I do
not remember whether l suggested to him
that he should draw 1t 40 and 45 or 40 and
one-eiShth; my impression is 10 and one-eighth
and the question was whether we would
agree to 45 or whether we would stick TO the
one-eighth.
1 asked Mr.. Carlisle IL he would have that
drawn. giving him the points. and he said be
would. l asked him merely to save myself
the labor of it, because the data being in the
Treasury Department, thought he would be
sure to have all the points covered. l think
the next day got in the mail a typewriter
schedule. which was Just such as i asked to
have made, and Senator Vest and / met that
morning and talked the matter over, and de-
termined that the As per cent. would give the
reiiners a larger margin than the proposed
schedule OF 40 per cent. and one-eIghth, as
we did not intend to make a larger margin
for the renner than we had already made.
Mr.. Jones stated that Mr.. Carlisle had been
with the committee frequently when the bill
was in course OF preparation, but never ex-
cept when he was sent for. and he never made
any proposition with reference to the sugar
schedule, though he discussed 1t ct the re-
quest of the COMMITTEES. Il heard him say a
number Of times with reference to collections
that the law could be enforced on ad valorem
and a duty collected on sugar without any
difficulty. As TO his insisting on any particu-
lar conduct about the collection of the taxes
there was never any sort of conversation at
ALL"
Senator Jones said he had met Mr.. Have
meyer. Senator Camden once had invited Mr..
Havemeyer to come to the Capitol and talk
the matter over with him. He had met him
at Senator Camden's rooms, opposite the Ar
ington hotel. He had then talked with Have
meyer about the cost Of refining sugar in this
country and in Europe. and had used the data
thus obtained in making his calculations with
tor CofT Hc cr-oc in, fhar n
Mr.. Havemeyer about forty minutes.
Mr.. mes said that the committee had been
informed while the bill was under discussion
that Senators Gallery and White would not
vote for the bill if it did not provide for
sugar duty, and this fact caused the commit
tee TO invite the Louisiana Senators and some
others into the committee room for a confer
ence. 1t was Senator Camden's knowledge of
this meeting which caused him to suggest to
him Senator jones' that he should also
meet the representatives OF the refining in
terest. and thus had come about the meeting
with Havemeyer. He said he did not remem-
Der that Mr.. Havemeyer had said anything
about ad valoren duties.
He said it had been found impossible to
satisfy everybody on the sugar duty, and after
talking with both sides he had made up his
mind what to do, and had written the sugar
schedule in the first Dill reported.
Senator Harris testimony consisted Of
general and Specl1c denial oil all the alleSa-
tions upon which the investigation Is based. |
He had never, he said heard of the reported
secret visit of Secretary Carlisle to the Finance
Committee, or of any suggestions he had made
with regard to a sugar bounty. He also stated
that be had never invested in stocks OF any |
kind. and il other Senators had bought sugar |
stocks he was unaware of the fact.
Senator Voorhees, WIS first asked about the |
report of Secretary Carlisle's recent visit to |
the Finance Committee and his demand for |
protection to sugar because of campaign con-
tributions. de denied that any such inter- |
view had ever taken place.
Il never" said he talked with Mr. Car |
Isle on the subject of sugar but once, and that
was in the office of the Secretary, and il was |
early in the tariff work. when we discussed |
the question of the polariscope test and the |
question Of specific or ad valorem duties. l |
never heard the subject of contributions by
the sugar trust discussed in regard to tarifY |
legislation by the Secretary of the Treasury,
Or, indeed, among ourselves. 1 never saw
Mr.. Havemeyer, and should not know him II
should meet him. Nor do know human
being who belongs to the trust"
He also said he had never seen the memo
-andum on the sugar schedule which MIR. Car
isle was alleged to have prepared and handed
% him.
Senator Vest also denied these statements.
he said that Mr.. Carlisle was in the COM
nittee room from time TO time and consulted
With the members OF the committee in regard
% the tariff bill; that he expressed great anx-