The Irish standard., 1894-04-07
A LIVELY DEBATE.
1pnatius Donnelly and Walter Sims
Give an Oratorical Sparring
Match in Milwaukee.
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Ignatius Donnelly, the Minnesota lit
4ereteur, and Walter Sims, the A. P. A.
lecturer, held lively debate in the Aca'
denny of Music, Milwaukee, on Wednes-
day evening, March %, before large
and enthusiastic audience which alter
nately applauded and hissed the speak
ers for three hours. The ready wit and
eloquence of MIR. Donnelly enabled him
to defeat his willy antagonist, but the lat
ter has issued another challenge to NEST
Ahe author of the Baconian cryptogram at
the Lyceum Theatre, Minneapolis, on
Wednesday evening, April II, when the
debate will be resumed between the
combatants. In speaking OF the debate
in Milwaukee, the correspondent of the
Chicago Times gives the palm of victory
to Donnelly, but says discussion was of
the oratorical rough and tumble kind
that drew blood, metaphorically speak
ing, from both belligerents.
Mr.. Sims began by saying that he was
not there to attack the doctrines or
teachings of any religious organization,
but to point out danger which he be-
lieved threatened the liberties of the
American people.
He was there as the champion Of an
association of which he was proud, be-
cause it's chief purpose was to guard the
liberties OF the people Of America and to
guard the public sohools-the American
Protectiye Association. He reviewed
briefly the history of the settlement OF
this country; how our forefathers had
come here to escape the tyranny Of Eng
land and had established home where
they hoped to be able to worship God as
they chose, and how the monarchical
power which later tried to interfere with
she rights of the people was being re-
peated now in another form by the Ro-
man Catholic Church.
He was not talking to protect Protest
antism as arrai9ned against Roman Cath
olicism, but to protect and point out the
dangers which threaten the liberties of
all Catholics and Professionals alike.
He had nothing against the Roman
Catholic Church rs religious institution
but was against it as the most powerful
political organization that is opposed to
our constitution. to our institutions and
to our liberties. II admire good Catho
lic,'' he said, "but loyal Catholic can
not be loyal American.
"Why haye the Roman Catholics he
asked, "repudiated in his own country
the head of the Church? If none of
those continental countries will al
low the interference Of the Pope in
politics, why should we allow that inter
ference here? Because we are SO easy
going and good natured. and our good
nature has permitted the organization of
. conspiracy which, if not destroyed,w will
surely destroy this country"
Then Donnelly came to the front and
set the audience wild with uncomfortable
enthusiasm, 80 that they laid back and
yelled. He had fun with Sims. Then
he tired of ridiouling him and fayed him
alive with the thongs Of his wit. ''This
is kind of lopsided fight" said Ignatius.
Here is my dear friend Sims who tells
you that he is making it his life work to
fight Catholics. He thinks that in Prot
estantism alone is goodness or any saliva
ton, or any decency, or any hope of ma
tional strength or perpetuity. I, on the
other hand, am not Catholic; in fact, I
am not a member of any church. I AN
here to talk against Sims tonight only
becaue, I have all through my public
career espoused the cause OF the so-called
under dog in the fight. Think of the
awfulness Of the belief of Sims and his
kind. Men who would take the bread
out Of the mouth OF an honest Irish
washerwoman because she was Catho-
lie, and leaving her and her babies to
starve; and that is what they do. They
take solemn oath to employ no Catho-
lic, and to urge others not to employ
Catholics. They would by their solemn
/ oath be bound to see the poor washer
woman etarve and her babies with her.
They interpret the most beautiful Of the
divine injunctions, Suffer little children
3 to come unto me and forbid them not,
Tor Of such is the kingdom Of heaven" !"
/ into this cruel command: "Suffer little
children TO starve and feed them mol, Tor
such is the kingdom Of hell. !" To show
that Catholics could Be and wore good
citissnsof tho United ff3tates he 5pecalled
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