The Atlanta constitution. [volume] (Atlanta, Ga.) 1885-19??, 1894-06-18
HAS NEVER MET HIM.
MR. HATEMYER.S ANSWER TO THE
INVESTIGATING COMMIITEE
WHEN ASKED ABOUT A CONFERENCE
Between Himself and President Cleveland
He Does Not Know Him--The Discus
sion Between Havemyer and Brice.


last night in response to a subpoena from
the senatorial committee engaged in investi-
eating the alleged relations between senators
and members of the trust and appeared be-
fore the committee this morning as wit
ness. 1t was agreed some time ago that
Mr. Havemeyer should be called, but the
committee decided to get all the Informal
ton possible from other sources concerning
his connection with the present tariff leg
islation before placing him on the stand,
in order that his examination might be
complete and thorough. The examinations
of Messrs. Terrell, Chapman and Reed were
conducted with particular reference to form
ing basis for questioning Mr.. Havemeyer,
who is regarded as one of the most impor-
tant witnesses that has appeared before the
committee. Mr.. Havemeyer was accompan-
led to Washington by Mr.. F. S. Parsons
the chief attorney for the trust and James
c. Carter, of New York who will represent
him as counsel. Mr.. Cordmeyer, Of New
York, was also with the party. He will be
questioned closely about the alleged contri-
buttons of the trust to the democratic cam
paign fund.
Mr.. Havemeyer was the only witness ex-
amined today. His answers to questions
were curt, and he did not offer to give in
formation that was not requested. Mr..
Havemeyer showed he had no respect for
titles in eliminating them altogether in
speaking OF senators and others. and he
caused some establishment among the men,
bers of the committee by his statement
that he had never seen President Cleve-
land.
Il am president of the American Sugar
Refining Company" said Mr.. Havemeyer
In answer to Il preliminary question.
Senator Quay read the article contained
in The Philadelphia Press that the witness
was present in the summer of 1898 after
Cleveland's nomination with Mr.. Benedict
either on his yacht on in conversation at
Greenwich, Conn, (where Mr. Havemeyer
resides) consulting about the sugar interests
as they were affected by the situation in
the Hawaiian islands.
There is not word of truth in it," said
Mr.. Havemeyer- mo such meeting ever
took place.
He also denied the allegations in The
Press article that the sugar trust was or
gained with reference to its influence on
the two great political parties. In regard
to the statement that the trust, on the
whole. is a democratic association, the
witness said it not so.
Doesn't Know the President.
The Chairman have already asked you
about the conversation MIR. Edwards al
legged you had with Mr.. Cleveland, either
in Greenwich or on the yacht in the summer
OF 1892, or in the summer of 1898. Did you
ever have such conversation anywhere?
Mr.. Havemeyer-I have never exchanged q
word with Mr. Cleveland or been in his COM
pany in my life, and i have never seen the
man.
The Chairman-You have never seen him?
Mr.. Havemeyer-I have never seen Mr.
Cleveland in New York or elsewhere.
Senator Alen-Do you mean to say, Mr.
Havemeyer, that you have never seen Mr..
Cleveland?
MIR. Havemeyer-I have never seen Mr..
Cleveland.
Senator Davis-You do not know what
he looks like, except from his pictures?
Mr.. Havemey er-Except from his pictures.
/ suppose I would know him if | saw him.
Nor have [ ever exchanged d VOID with
Mr.. Benedict on the subject of sugar or
any other business matter whatever.
Had Some Warm Talk.
With reference TO the statement in The
Press about a meeting between senators
and sugar trust men III Mr. TerreIIs room
In the Arlington hotel, Mr. Haveneyer said
some time in March he was in Mr. TerrelFs
room when Senators Brice ami Smith and H.
J.. Reed, of Boston, were present. There
was nothing said in that interview about
the obligations of the democratic party
10 the sugar trust He had been request
ed to so to Mr.. Terrelps room and found
Senator Brice there. Mr. Terrell said
Here is an opportunity to tell one of
the senators what you know about sugar"
Mr.. Havemeyer sent for his sample
boxes of sugar and delivered lecture on
the subject. Senator Smith came in later
wrangling he and Senator Brice had
about sugar.
The Chairman-You said you had been
having q wrangle with Mr. Brice over
sugar?
Mr.. HaYemeyer-Mr. Brice and I got hot
over the ma tier bef' re we finished it.
The Chairman-In what way and on what
account?
Mr.. Havemeyer-I said something about
the democratic party that he took umbrage
at, [ thought.
The Chairman-What was said?
Mr.. HaVemeyer-I said that the demo-
cratic party put into power, not to
destroy any industry. but to take suitable
and proper care of every Industry. and that
this selection of the sugar refining indus
try of the United States for attack was
infamous as a party proceeding.
The Chairman-Was that the matter
auout which you had what you call the
wraugling?
Mr., Haverreyer-That is the matter over
which we got rather hos.
The Chairman-What did Mr. Brice have
to say?
Mr. Haveneyer-Mr. Brice said he
thought the democratic party felt disposed
to be fair ABOUT the matter, but did not
appear TO have anybody who would shoulder
the incubus of the sugar trust; that he
was not particularly interested in it. as
il was not an industry in his state, but
&C senator he did want to do what was
fair and right in the matter. and would
like to hear further exposition of the SUBJ
ject.
Mr.. Chairman-Was that all that was
said?
Mr.. Havemeyer-Yes. sir.
The Chafrman--Was anything said at the
time about the Indebtedness of the demo-
cratic party to the sugar trust, so called?
Mr. HaVemeyer-No, sir. When Mr..
Smith came in, the conversation on sugar
had ceased and the subject was not again
referred to- The talk was merely desul-
tory.
The Chairman-Was there any statement
made by YOU or anybody else there, or
Mr. Smith or Mr.. Brice that the bill would
be beaten if sugar did not get fair treat
ment?
Mr.. Havemeyer-No, sir.
Tho C,bairman-Did Senatro Smith then
or aft any other time, reply to you or say
T., Won that he did not see what ne coulu
then do but there was always THIS conso-
Iation that if they could not secure the
schedule they wanted, they could surely
defeat the bill, leaving the present law
operative?
Mr.. HaVemeyer-NO.
The Cbairman-What other senators ola
Won soc on this business than those you
have already spoken of!
Mr. Havemeyer-I saw Mr.. Hill.
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