The times. (Owosso, Mich.) 1882-1897, 1894-12-28

Wouiu " V1"vh piece, lnal Is the re son that
asked MN thought maybe he would remcmbe
IL.
@ by AID Parker: Was this statement from
| Mr. Hammond voluntarily or did you ask him C
make statement us here this EVENING" A We
asked MN TO tell us what he knew about The
case.
Mr. Bumps: Q This is about what this letter
stated Is IL not! | think that that man, he
makes the same statement he says that is Wi ut
| the boys sad, q You was not therei A No,
that Is also what IL In the letter. the charge OF
being roDped OF money @ Do you mean TO say
! Mr. ffleseke, that you have heard nothing be.
| fore thls! a l told Mr. Barrisford that It
| would nave TO come before the Council. that he
Woulu nave 10 sec The agent ana let the state
ment ana ne says will 20 ana talk the matter
oVer-tl haVn't you seen Burrisford, and talked
this matter over and found out what this agent
knew ABOUT ltY Yes, sir, he told me what
Mr. hammond said. / told him that the COM
mttee would have To meet the agent-Q DID he
would be fined 80 apiece so that they might as
wei take S5I 4 don't remember what he
said about the agent-Q Is that the first time
you heard the statement made by Mr. Ham
mond! might have asked him some other
questions, asked him why he let you have the
key-Q III wasstated in the letter that they WAS
tried you had read that IN the letter hadn't you:
uon remember the particulars in the l,L
ter-Q You had read the letter hadn't you? Yes
DuL cannot rem mber all the statemenIs-O
You heard al T. estatements and you rememb.r
all that Is OF any consequence Yes sir.-Q
DID you nave any talk with Mr.. Post about the
mater, al you have any conversation with him?
letter call your attention TO this matter as well
as the statement? why should you not remem.
Der the contents OF this letter we'll as any
thing elsey do remember some of ito DID
| II say anything about the trial, what kind of
one IL wasI A He wanted to know under what
law tie authorities in Owosso were allowed to
arralnB ana line man between the hours OF o
| and ~ p IN asked Mr.. Hammond why he gave
| up the keys, asked him why he done that. and
ne SAID that he done that, he said that he done
wrong.
KE-DIRECT ExAurN ALTON nv MR. CHAPMAN
q Al the time hammond made this statement
had his attention been called to the contents OF
of-Q BY Aid Parker-Why did your brother
| refuse to actS He was not here he had to go
back to the registration.
MIR. BARRIsFoRD RE CALLED-RE DIRECT Ex-
EXAMINATION by MIR CHAPMAN
q AT the time Mr. Hammond made this state
ment to this committee, had he seen or read this
letter or heard anything about it that you know
OF? No sir
RE'CRoSs EXAMINATION by MIR. humps.
q Had mt you told Mr. Hammond about IL: A
asked him what he knew about ito Did you
tell him what kind of a letter you had! A asked
him II he knew anything about some boys being
arrested and let QUITO Did you receive any
letter OF inquiry about ity Yes sir-Q That is be-
fore so that he did not know the Con
tents OF the letter! l afterwards told
him had received \ lCtter-Q Did you tell him
what was wanted in the letter, what it cont ain
ed! A No sir, L didn't-Q You didn't tell HIM
anything about the letter you imply said you
had received letter Yes sir. l told him it
was complaining against Alr. Cauy ana yOu-Q
by Aid Parker-Did you ever receive any other
communication from this De Forest? A No sir
@ Did you ever meet the gentleman, did you
take o trip down there to look this matter up!
Yes sir was down there-Q BY Mr. Bumps
l asked you the other day IL you was down there
didD Not that ] remember of-Q Didn't
you tell me you had not been down there, you
was there three or four days ago! Now under
stand you went down there to see about this
matter, what did you sayi A l simply told you
did not see the parties q Was that all l
BY Aid Parker-Did you go before receiving The
communication A After-Q BY Aid Crandall-
Parker You don't think there is such "a NAH do
your have no reason to doubt it-Q-By
Mr. Bumps Gould you find where he resided? A
found that he was in Jaekson-Q IN states
prisonP No sir--Did you find out his number and
street, No sire You diun't ind out whether
he was in prison or not! No SIR didn't ask-Q
Then you went to Adrian to look for this man
DeForest, is that correct! A Yes sire Did you
find { there was man there by The nan C
OF Jet'orestr Yes sire While at Adrian did
you lind out anything about whether they re-
sided there or not? A / went there to look for
Mr.. DeForest-Q Did you try to find about the
boys2 Itried TO lind out there about them
. When you got down there you could not find
themp A found that they were at Chippewa
Lake, You was looking for Mr. DcForest? A
Yes sire Do you really think there is such
man as DetoreSt? have no reason TO think
any d ifereut-Q DO YOU know who wrote that
Lottery A No sire BY Aid Parker-While ut
Adrian did you find that any such man ever
leave OF absence to 20 there? Yes sire Who
fromY The Mayor-Q What did you go down
there TO see that man for! Went down there
to see what there was TO ito But you cOuldn't
fiud out what there was to II, you didn't lind
out? A No sire Where was that letter mailedY
A The postmark didn't shove Who paid your
eXpensGsY A did-Q by Mr.. Bumps Did you
pay your expenses, and did you expect 10 be re-
imbursCd have you put your bill into the city for
III a have not yet-Q Are you going tor L
don't know--Q You would be willing to DO any
thing to get Ed Cady of the police force would
Mt your a NO sire by Aid Lamfrom-What
was your object in going and hunting this man
upY My OBJECT in going down there was to zee
what there waS to ito by Ala Parker-TO use
rs witness? don't know-Q by Aid Lam.
from-Did the committee send you down there,
did they give you leave OF absence to go down
there? a Not direc,ly-Q.By Mr. BumpS-What
did you expect to find that you could find out up
here? a wanted 10 get the truth OF the mat
ter.
John Mackey, q witness produced, sworn and
examined testified as follows:
DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MIR. CHAPMAN.
@ Mr. Mackey, did you hear Mr. hammond,
make u statements A did, yes, sir--Q What
did he say took place here in the jail? A Last
Saturday Mr. Hammond in this room in the
presence Of myself, Mr. Frieseke and the mar
shall, Mr. FrieselSo asked him to state what he
knew about these boys and this gun, Mr. Ham
mond said that he was going down the street,
don't rcmcmber which street. and Mr. Bumps
asked him where he was going, and he said he
was going down TO meet Cady, and MIR. Bumps |
went along, and Mr. Cady was there sitting on |
the railing, Mr. Cady said Dir Bumps know
where you can get gun, and The three came !
back TO the city hall, ! would not say whether |
the three Of them went on the inside, but Mr. |
Bumps asked the boys what they wanted for |
the gun, and they said $50 GO, and he said il |
was too much, and he said they have got you in |
for il, will give you sloCO for the gun, II vii |
cost you 500 each to get out AID there Is s. 00,
that will mako the $500. After they left the |
boys there and went out the building, Mr. Cady |
asked Mr. Hammond to let these prisoners out |
would not be certain whether he said prisoners
or boys, and Mr. Hammond says, they are not |
my prisoners, they are yours, and he says give |
MIR Bumps the keys and he will let them out,
and shortly after he gave them to Mr. Bumps,
he thought he had done wrong, MIR Bumps came |
down here and let them cut
CROSS ExAMINATIoN ny MIR. HUMPS.
q Was Mr. Hammond sworn, was he under |
DathY No--Q He is under Mr. Barrisfords |
authority! a suppose that he is--Q He con- |
trolls this part of the city: He does--Q by |
Aid Parker: When you interviewed Mr. Ham |
nond, you had heard froul Adrian, had you notS |
A heard this letter rend-Q by slr Bumps: !
Now since Mr. jarrisrord returned from Adrian |
MacScy, this testimony should he admitted as !
any evidencoy No would not be positive |
on that quesiion-Q Are you not satisfied IN |
your own mind, that no such man ever resided |
az Adrian! No, sir
MIR. BUMPS.
When that letter was read in the Council, !
was somewhat angry, it was read without Civ !
ing Mr. Cady and myself asy chance to deny II
then and there, but you went to work and made
IL public, without giving us any chance. l was
very angry will admit. and will saw that