The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1894-07-24

rifice OF principle was made The result
was, as he had declared on previous
occasion. Democratic measure when
in his opinion. leaned toward the radical
tarim reform sentiment, and which ne
thought would receive the support OF n
Democratic House Senate and President.
lie believed then, as he believed now.
mat he had authority for that statement;
lie charged directly that every one OF
the Senate amendments had been seen
by Secretary Carlisle and scanned by
MN before they were agreed upon ne
drew from his desk and had read an IN
terview with Secretary Carlisle on April
3Oth, In which the Secretary OF the Treas
ury gave the Senate bill his sWeephb
endorsement
A SATISFACTORY CoMPRoNIsE
That interview, said Mr.. German, soft
encd the hard places for those VINO We're
trying TO harmOnize differences. IL "lu
much 10 aid the Democrats OF the sen
ate in getting together. lie dld not Dc
lieve that the Democrats would nave cNfI
gotten together had II not been ioI 'na'
interview. The Secretary Of the IftaS-
ury. necessarily v spoke i'm great mtd-
sure for the President. in matters rclat-
ing TO his department. on The mornAS
following the publication o. that lhVI
view the papers announcer thtt ,u-
President was in entire accord with MS
great Secretary Of The Treasury. II th"t
Was not true then the fOrty-three Demo
cratic senators on this side of the cham
her had been misled. As conpr mise,
Mr.. German asserted that tie plll, as
completed. was satisfactory TO not sin
gle solitary human being In ali its de-
tails But as whole, the structure
presented. as scanned by the Secretly
OF the Treasury and the Pr ident, as
looked by US, was acceptable as the best
bin that could be passed
There was no suggestion anywhere
either from the President or the Secre-
tary Of the Treasury. that the bill as
modified was violation OF principe.
SENATOR vEsT TEsTHIFs.
With dramatic emphasis Nj. German
called upon Messrs. Vest, Jones ana NoQt.
hces to bear testimony as 10 whether his
statements had varied a hair breadth
from the truth. Let the people have the
truth" said he, as ne paused.
Mr. Vest arose. He began by sayink
that he had not himself seen he Presi-
dent since the repeal Of The sherman
law last summer. But with the Secittal9
Of the Treasury he had had frequent con
eultatjODs Mr. Carlisle had repeatedly
and distinctly stated 70 him mat the
greatest possible calamity that could nap
pen would be the failure Of any bll. iic
had distinctly stated TO him thAi no az
ference in rates should be allowed 10
stand in the way of tn cOnsnmnauOh
OF some scheme of tarln reform. III
colleague, Mr. Jones. had seen pom an
Carlisle and Mr. Cleveland, ana thrN nau
both declared that the bill was acceplau
10 them The bin did not suit him iNesb
He knew # must have the support Of the
administration 10 pass H. ana ne asktl
Mr. Jones If The president Would lhro"
the weight Of his influence IN favor OF l'
Mr. Jones reported that the President had
said TO him. Il am willing 10 90 anyihiH-
TO pass the bill through Congress-;
~ We 60 into tnis nsht, the fresiideIit
must be behind. us ! said. Mr. Jones
replied thai he was "Thereupon,' said
Mr. Vest. Il gave my personal opinions
up, and resolved to support H. The
Presidents letter was the FIRST lntlma-
uon 10 me that he was AGAINST us.
SENATOR JONES MIeLFD. TOO.
When Mr. Vest sat down. Mr.. Jones
hil took the floor. lie was as pale as
DEATH but showed no signs OF nervousness.
ue Tcdnlco, ne saiq, "n-4 'hv nAh came
90 the Senate that 10 could not be passed
in ts then form. and he had gone q.
work, he said with infinite labor and
pains to Interview every Democratic scnd-
tor. He asceitalued every objection they
held, and had carefully noted them. lie
had talked with Mr.. Carlisle about his
plan, and the President endorsed il as
wise Then be JOnes) prepared the
amendments in consultation with Mr..
Carlisle. The secretary was thoroughly
informed as TO the situation, and he
Uones) had said 10 him. II Will not 20
one step further. If the Administration is
not behind me
81 requested him to explain everything
70 the President said Senator Jones. II
saw the President. He told me that Mr..
Carlisle had explained all, and ne (Cleve-
ldndl thought we were doing wise. Among
the amendments thus prepared were those
placing coal and iron on the dutable
list Until l read Mr.. Cleveland's letter
TO Mr. Wilson" said Mr.. Jones emphaU-
caliy, 81 believed he cordially approved OF
our action. / had expressed o. him the
opinion that 1T must be either this mOdi-
fed bill OF none at all. and he had Tee
piled that IN the alternative he favored
the modified measure
AS Senator Jones sat down Mr.. German
arose 10 resume, but AIR. Villas interposci
with a series of question to Mr.. Jones.
In your interviews with the Presi-
dent" asked Mr.. Villas. "wera the SUBJ
jects of coal and iron ever mentioneiY'
YES" replied Mr.. Jones with explosive
Vchemcnce. AT every conversation be-
tween the President and myself coal and
iron were specifically mentioned
There was burst Of applause from the
gallery, which the presiding officer check
And" continued Mr.. Jones. with meas
ured emphasis on each word, the Pres
ident never once uttered one solitary
word against going ahead with coal and
iron in the bill as then in the Senate bill
lone more question" asked Mr. Villas
did not the President express the hope
at all times that Iron and coal should
be on the free list?'
at all times. yes, but 1t was the ex-
preston OF a hope and the circums anceS
would not permit its realizauons.' said
Mr. Jones.
Mr. German next summoned senator
Harris as a witness. who stated that i'm
with Mr.. cleveland Pee
(Harris) had been led to conclude that the
President favored the passage oi tIc
Senate bill not because he
approved Of t but because it was the best
that could be secured.
towards IN HIGH PLACES"
Mr. German here resumed with one Of
the most sensational references of the day
10 President Cleveland. The Senator
spoke OF the deep regret with which he
"as compelled 20 ask the public testimony
If these senator's, but the time had come
10 speak. The limit Of endurance had
)een reached. The Senate had been tra-
luced and an attempt had been made To
try and gibbet # before the country"
rhe charges had been "foully" made from
Iuch distinguished sources that they
must be met and refuted" The charges
we're echoed hy men who "chirped when
10 talked" These senators who had been
had fought for tariff reform
when towards In high places would not
how their head"
Mr. German said he could conceive no
easOn for the remarkable action that had |
een taken unless. perhaps, the one re |
for Il was consumed by vanity" |
n desiring to have the country regard !
i'm as the author Of all that was right |
n tariff reform.
As Mr. German made each reference 10 |
he President there was o commotion In |
be galleries which compelled the presid- |
ne officer 10 interpOse constant cautions |
gainst further demonstrations
PAYS HIS COMPLIMENTS TO Hill.
Mr. German next turned his attention |
o Senator Hill's speech of Friday en- |
orsing President Cieveland's letter.
THAT letter" said Mr. German was |