The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1894-08-31


today by the strike commission. s. c.
Wade an employee Of the legal depart
ment of the Rock Island road said
that much of the blockading of rail-
road tracks was the work Of experienced
railroad men.
w. r. Mooney, a. Northern Pacific
switchman, Of Blue Island, said Debs
and Howard had not advised the men
to strike. They had told the men to
use their own judgment He was dis
charged for alleged activity in the
strike. The witness told of the fight at
Blue Island, June 90. when 400 mar
shals stood by and saw their chief,
Logan, beaten by the crowd.
Nv. f. Guion, reporter was next
called. He went over the incidents of
the strike at Blue Island, Fordham and
Pullman. He saw the cars burning at
Burnside. He found only three rail-
road men IN the nearest crowd, which
was three blocks away. The railroad
men were trying to disperse the crowd.
One of these men said the instructions
from the A. r u. were to drive away
all who might he inclined to damage
property, and if they would not go to
cause their ernest Debs and Howard
afterward asked witness if he could
help the order, and cause the arrest of
the men engaged in violence but he
told them Ge was not a detective.
Advised the Use of Coupling Pins.
Vice-President Howard, of the A.
Il. u, was again called to the stand
Mr. Howard denied that he had adj
vlSed violence, and declared he had al
ways counseled moderation and de-
nounced lawleSSness. His only remark
Of ''incendiary'' character he said was
the advice he had given the men to use
coupling pins on A. p. A representa-
tiVes or any other class who might en-
deavor - stir up trouble in the union
on a basis of difference in religion. He
denounced the A. p. A. and explained
how emissaries had frequently endea
Vored to foment discussions in labor
organizations ON account of religion.
Mr.. Howard then suggested the fol-
rowing questions should be put to the
general managers, one of whom. he
supposed, would take THE stand this
afternoon:
Did The strikers at any time inter-
fere with you carrying mails if Pull
man cars were attached to the same
1rsiin?"
Gould you not, at all times.
have transported the mails without in
corruption if YOU had not insisted upon
attaching Pullman cars to the same
train?"
WAS your contract with the govern
ment to transport mails any less bind
ing upon you than your contract with
the Pullman company, or was one con-
tract in any sense made dependent up-
on the other?"
Did your company have a contract
with the government to transport the
mails?"
WAS your contract dependent upon
your ability to transport Pullman
cars?"
did your contract with the Pullman
company provide that you should not
carry the mails unless you took Pull
man cars on the same train?''
Had Pulled For Peace.
Commissioner Herman did not know
that the commission would have OPP
portunity to put the questions, but they
were allowed to go on record.
Howard also desired investigation of
Pullman's reported statement that the
general managers had threatened to
boycott him if he consented to arbitrate
with the American Railway union.
He further said the union would show
by the testimony of Mayor Hopkins
that the American Railway union had
been more active than the general
managers in securing the arrest of per-
sons engaged in violence.
Secretary Keliher, of the American
Railway union, and Mayor Hopkins
testified at the afternoon session. After
the hearing the commission adjourned
Tt meet in Washington September 26.
Mayor Hopkins Testifies.
Mayor Hopkins testified at some
length regarding the attitude of the
police during the strike. He declared
they had done their duty at all times.
He acknowledged he was in sympathy
with the strikers and against Pull
man. as he had been an employee of
the road and knew what an employee
had to endure.
Upon the matter of the message from
z. V. Debs to the General Managers
association. the mayor said:
July l3 Mr.. Debs, Mr.. Howard and
MI. Keliher. OF the A. r. u, called
and presented q communication to the
railway managers, asking me to take
1t over to them. They asked that all
men be taken back, not as members
of the A. r. L. but as individuals, ex-
cept those who had committed violence
during the strike. When 1 got there
the board had adjourned, and handed
it to Mr. st. John. Mr.. St. John in
formed me that they did not desire to
receive any communications from that
source. but would receive it in view of
the fact that the mayor of Chicago
brought 1t.
II say this. in regard to Mr.. Egan:
The papers quoted him as saying that
if he was the mayor he would not al
boy. ] want to say most emphatically
that Mr.. Bean never said it, and DO
not think 1 would have allowed him
to say it."
I'VE understand that it has been
mated in the press that you applied
- Mr. Dehs for permission to move
certain trains during the strike
.aThat is not true. Til give you my
statement in regard to it. We have
a contract between The city Of Chicago
and a man named Brenneck for re-
moving dead animals. His place OF
rendering them is in Indiana some
place. He called at my Office one day
and stated that there was a train OF
dead animals down in the yards and
they were getting offensive and he
could not get them out. I sent my
secretary over to the headquarters OF
the A. r. u. and they Immediately sent
a crew down to pull them out, but
when they went down TO report to the
officials of the railroads they put them
on train loaded with meat and they
pulled that out a distance and found
they were deceived and abandoned the
train"
After the mayor had explained the
dead horse episode, the commission ad-
journed.