The sun., 1894-03-14
AGAINST THR LORDS.
Labouchere's Motion to Abol-
ish Their Power of Veto.
IT IS ADOPTED BY l47 TO i45.
Much Excitement In the Lobbies
After the Vote.

-. C.b,-st q. q Duen.a-Ths 0riy wsy
20 ee, Rid OF the A.s-s.s-t Is 60 Have
Oh. House Vote % che Address - -
whoi.-Lord Randolph Churehin Says
No L,vi-x Mas VIII live 90 See the
Hons, OF Lord. Abeiishsa-The Iri-h
No, Pleased with Rosss-ry-H. Says
Eisiard Must Approve OF Home BALE he
.ore Il B.eo.e. . Fset-Nishs.i D.v,tt
say, Thi. IL wholly = New DeP.rtsr-.
LONDON, March 13.-In the House Of Com
mon. to- day Lord Randolph Churchill resum-
ing the debate on the address In reply to the
QUEENS speech. said he considered the pro-
aramme Of the Ministry an insane one II It was
meant to be carried out In . single session OF
Parliament. II was supreme arrogance on the
part OF the Ministers. he thought, to ask the
House to pass so unman ageabls programme
In the face Of an opposition OF over 300 mem-
bers who were prepared to resent both the
abolition Of the House OF Lords and the crea-
tlon OF homo rule for Ireland. As to homo
rule. he declared he could successfully predict
that there was not one man living to-day who
would live to see the establishment Of an Irish
Parliament nor was there q man living who
would live to see the abolition OF the House Of
Lords.
Mr. John Morley. Chief Secretary for ireland.
insisted that there could be no injury to Ire
land through . temporary suspension Of the
Home Rule bill II he had supposed that the
reconstructed Ministry would not be permitted
tohave its views on the Irish question he would
not bs member Of that Ministry. ICheers.l
Home Rule. he said. had neither been de-
laysd nor abandoned. but would take Its place
IN the course OF sequence as had been ar
ranged prior to Mr.. Gladstone's retirement
IA.
from the Government, he was happy to say
there were no signs OF any such dis
sstrous and mischisvous event There
could bs no mistake in the minds OF any
one who had read the speech made In the
House Of Lords yesterday By Lord Rosebery
that he meant to do all in his power to achieve
homo rule. besides reducing the House Of
Lords to its proper place As the legislative Or
gan it is now recognized TO be In the minds OF
the English people.
Mr.. John Redmond. Parnellite. said that
never during his experience in Parliament had
Q more difficult and humiliating task fallen
upon Q Chief Secretary for Ireland than the
present one which put him up TO try by the
strength Of his own character. as . genuine
friend OF ireland. to remove the impression
created by the haitinG and ambiguous phrases
fLord Rosebery. Whatever Mr.. Morley might
ssy. No dssisfsds nssAnd wsaid not trust Lord
Rosebery.
He tRednondl repudiatsd Lord Rosebery's
doctrine that an English majority was
necessary for the passage OF home rule. The
theory WAS insulting and humiliatinR to Ire
land. who alone. had the right to decide.
II Lord Rossbsry's doctrine was right the
Lords had the mower to continue TO throw out
home rule or any other measure the House
Of Commons might pass. II that right be-
iongsd to the House Of Lords through privi-
lsge Of birth. then. he declared. Great Britain
would ring with the ory for its abolition.
Mr. Joseph Chamberlain said the Unionists
were satisfied with the adhesion Of the Gov
srnmsnt to their, old policy: as It gave, q dem
pits issue on which TO meet them on all sides.
Everybody. he thought ought % be satisfied.
soss .bSas bcs.nss With s. TaS aSsnn
locking for an honest friend;
many .SS .s.s s s: he s &. Of as
IsI n T' b b. the sI1 Nr had been a.F:a Ssd
Eard kSsss.a1 IL &. n House @S'd o. ufsa TSrds
.ss sus. he ss1. eSss. ;.%P: Mols: .Psr
h.S%opd .ssiss tiss e the S1iSsSfS po.iion sa
aNoi ScFTql Tla YS:ss Ys0i e isi0 ssisd. Were tss the
pended upon an English majority In its favor
hA.. ..." we're q: iass w had .hs %' q e; e:
WIZ BE- isauirsd. should ne hous. of Lord.
b. consulted on the question OF home rule
s,. the .Ssoiuts Right Of Ireland without any
@ Z Lord q 70 %; gnsd
S:i.S Doio1' tcss:r. from the Irisk Ssnssss q
Rsadats that II there was no declaration In
me 9asen's speech In favor Of homo rule. or
70 Ssst aSsinst 1ss Hoa:s @ .a' q ora. he
sE.,dsins The L9rdsk and WIZ should he hss.
psc.sd dude. sf the % sssSad cSaabsr % ssri ssss Ss
sOas sound dSof rSo 9hs into 1.s sis Teh
s.ai sSHg IKE Lord Salisbury ready to let 1t all
:, II was said that object lessons Ike the
Radicals had had enough OF these object les.
tho the Hon.s sSs q ES1a In ana to
The existing state Of things Was intoleTabla.
House Of Lords but was stili ready to accept a
paralysis OF their veto power. He couldn't for
Sn'Fs @9'PFsnt supPOss that the Lords themselves
N rooksry sim ply to sit and cav and COM
plain. lLaughter,l
70 the address that the power now enjoyed by
ksrsSns who we're not elsstsd TO Parliament
- tnS USUAL process OF the franchise, yet who
cease
.,sir William Hareoprt. ohsnssllOr Of the R1-
ehsqqsr, opposed the ams ndmsnt In an Inn
ptssllve speech. taking the ground that .
ts.s tItsSu6s % such grave ehAraetsr ought TO be
vn when the division Was taken lat mem 6srs
sSJ JS1 ~ U isy9I o. the hAooueheTe Amsndment
meat ~ the lobbies after the announce
ment Of the vote. The division was moved
sahPossiy during the dinner hour. when one
T.n OF tho members we're absent Mr.
LA3oueheIe VAS congratulated on his victory
sel EAs ehAtfinEly asked when he would un-
ao'tAks the formation OF . Ministry. The
majority Of the MinlStsrialists DO NOT disap-
E.o,S Mr.; iAbouehsre's victory, but they are
psLplsxed over the Goysrnments defeat In
tSSSAlng up preeedents IL has been found that
iIe Iihe % y way Of Eetting rid Of an amendment
hAs aE LAbouchsTs's Il by having the House
vote on the address as = whole
Aehatths al ths Irish msmbers supported Mr. la
,nhen When the debate on the address was re-
sasd sSmsd Joseph Kenny PaInellits. moved an
snendment 70 the effect that the time had
Ny9s shen the eases Of prisoners convicted
sauer lhs Treason Felony act might bs Ad-
sSa14geOasly recon sidsrsd. William Field
aot nS yohn hsdmoHd. Parnsllitss. supported the
Dir AKouffh Hon,. E....k..- Ia A.. A..