Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1894-06-19
THEY MUST AN SW e r
Both Havensysr and Searles Certified to
the Grand Jury
In the Same Position as the Cores
OBSERVATION-DISCLOSURES German on
the Sugar Trust.

The sugar investigating committee Of the
Senate yesterday afternoon resolved to GER
tify both Messrs. Havemcyer and Searles Of
the sugar trust to the grand jury for prose-
cution under the same statute that is now
being invoked in the cases of Correspond
ents Edwards and Shriver and Broker
Chapman. Both of these witnesses refused
70 answer important questions Of the COM
nittee. Senator Allen made the motlon.
and, after arguments, Ii was adopted by the
vote of to 2. Senators Allen. Lodge anC.
Davis voted aye. and Senators Gray ana
Lindsay no. ME-, Allen also moved To orins
the witnesses before the bar OF the Senate,
there to be given a final chance to answer,
but this was lost to 1 Mr. Allen casting
the only affirmative vote In arguing upon
the first proposition Senators Gray and
Lindsay urged that the questions which
Hsssrs. Havemeye- and Searles had re-
fused to answer were not pertinent, and
that a conviction under an indictment in
their cases could not be obtained. This
WINS answered by the declaration that IL
WIS not within the jurisdiction of the COM
mittee to try these cases on their merits,
but to certify them to the proper judicial
officers whenever certain facts were found.
Those facts had been found. in these in
stances, Just as in the other three. and,
therefore. the committees sole duty was to
certify the cases and let the court decide
upon the applicability of the statute
In his testimony yesterday before the
committee. Senator German explained his
.nterVlcWS WIFE Ierrcil, haVefneyer and
Searles. and gave this version of the con-
ference In his room between Senators Jones,
Gorman. Camden. Mr.. Havemeyer and Mr..
SSarles:
There had been quite controversy
omons all the gentlemen who We're specially
Charged with the framing of the bill, par
ticulariy about that amendment as affecting
certain rates of duty, and think there was
q wide difference of opinion whether the ad
valorcm rate of 10 per cent gave the re-
hners any advantage over the raw material
In addition to the specific tax. AS / recall
II, nobody was satisfied with the figuring of
any other. and Mr.. Searles was telephoned
TOR to meet Senator Jones. who had special
charge of the schedule, and who was very
well posted upon the figures. and they
s.Inply discussed figures and tried to aScer-
tain exactly what would be the operation of
the schedule based on 40 per cent and one
eighth differential. and Senator Camden
sna 1 were in there and listened to the con-
Nsrsation or discussion. We had the fig
ures made by Senator Jones and Mr.
Searles. and the result of IL was that they
did not agree altogether. but nearly so. as
1 remember. There was nothing else in the
interview"
Senator Alien put several questions to
Senator German about campaign contribl-
uons by the trust, but Senator German in
s:sted that he knew OF none. He said: Il
never knew OF any contributions being made
TO the democratic committee while / was
connected with 1t. and 1 have been con-
nected with 1t a great many years. STILL
lsctor for the committee and know nothing
about It, The whole consideration of this
matter was Upon the highest possible plane
DO Tar as knew, without any regard to the
interest OF any particular Individual 1t was
OF line with the narrow margin that the
democrats have in the Senate to perfect the
Dill. so that we might be united and pass it.
and such a bill that came as near as Dos
s-oie 10 the obligations of the party. 1t was
considered in that way, as honorable men
representing the great party would natu-
rally consider the bill, with a due regard as
a matter of course to the interests involved
careful not to destroy any, and vet at the
same time to make the tax a light as DOS
siole upon the people of the country"
want to say to the committee that the
only word of truth in that statement is that
MI. Elkins did marry a relative of mine-a
second cousin. Mr.. Elkins is a very pro-
nounced party man of the republican party.
ana am a democrat and he has never dis
cussed the matter of sugar with me nor any
other item In this bill. probably. except the
one that he Is specially interested in, and
that Is coal But so far as this sugar BUSH
ness Is concerned, he has never named IL
TO me In any shape or form. / want to saw
tnat ne never introduced me to this gentle
man l know Mr.. Elkins to be a pro-
nounced republican and / assumed, as had
right TO do, that he was very hostile To
this Dill, and his brother republicans were
very anxious to defeat it. and / was very
anxious TO pass 1t in the best form we could
get IL Wherefore We have never entered
INTO any discussion about the matter