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The record-union., 1894-02-27
Special AGENCIES.

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San Francisco.
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The record-union., 1894-02-27
CARL UpMANN GETS THE AAwRD
The Worlds Columbian Exposition
Gave Carl Upmann's Famous New
York Cigars

Highest award for quality, workmanship and
general appearance over all competitors
These goods are manufactured by expert
Union hand-workmen only, and every box
bears the Cigarmakers' International Union
Blue Label, which is a guarantee of excellence
in every department of this great factory.
The record-union., 1894-02-27

EDS. RECORD UNION: In the leading
editorial article OF your Issue of February
9th you were pleased to use the following
language: "Since we have noted the al
most complete failure of all prohibition
laws, we have very nearly reached the
Judgment upon which many have already
planted themselves, that all laws looking
toward prohibition ought to be abolished
in the interest of sobriety."
Now it is very easy TO make such a
general statement, but there are good
many honest men, prohibitionists, who
would be glad to know if that is true.
We are led to believe differently. VIII
you kindly specify particulars, and per-
nit my acknowledgements? 1t is not
pleasant to be duped for so long, and if
you can really throw light upon this
matter we will be under many obliga-
tions. Il. A. n.
There are small communities where a
prohibition ordinance does effectively
prevent the sale of liquors. But they are
very few In one of the best OF these
communities where we recently visited
we found that inner bars were easily dis
covered, and that they do a fair business.
However, there are some small places
wherein prohibition is real. All the evil
dence we have at hand, and have heard
for years, is that prohibition has not been
effectual, but only partial, in Maine; that
it was flat failure in Iowa, and the law
openly detled in some of the chief towns
and cities, and so it is in all large popula-
tions. Prohibition, to be all the title i'm
plies, should be etfectual to prevent the
Introduction or sale of liquors, or the
giving away of liquors. But in Maine it
is notorious that drunkenness is not
greatly checked, that the bottle is easily
filled and more easily reached. Therefore
we say prohibition laws as a rule have
failed, and we must look for some better
means of reaching and holding in check
the terrible evil of dram-drinking.
The record-union., 1894-02-27

I1RUIT CAKES, POUND CAKES AND
Il all other varieties. Plum Pudding and
Boston Brownbread every Saturday. Coun-
try orders promptly filled.
EAGLE CONFECTIONERY. S26 Kst
The record-union., 1894-02-27
Hperinl atnttres.
FOR TIE FINEST

DIR. WELDON. Dentist, has opened an Office
at sos J street.
The record-union., 1894-02-27

Eastern Business Offices.
4S Tribune Building, New York.
500 ''The Rookery." Chicago.
8. c. Beckwith. sole agent foreign advertising.
The record-union., 1894-02-27

EDS. RECORD UNION: Has a man
legal right to property, such as posts,
lumber, etc., taken from swollen
stream, or can such property be recov-
cred by the owner of same?
The record-union., 1894-02-27

o. 0. L., Elk Greek.
The owner is not dispossessed OF his
property right because his goods float
away upon the tide of a flood. He can
prove property and recover them, and it
is your duty to yield them If proof is
made of his property right. But you can
require him to discharge your cost in re-
claiming the property, and in that cost
we think it safe to say your personal
service and exertions are TO be counted
and fairly compensated.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29
THE DISTRICT COURT.
RECEIVER ASKED FOR GETTY
& CO., OFF WHITE BEAR,
Several New Gases Of a Minor Ma.
ture Are Begun-A Judg-
ment Opened.

C.. Gotzian & Co. have petitioned the
district court to appoint a receiver for
the effects of j. A. Getty & Co., of White
Bear, dealers III general merchandise.
and who are alleged to be insolvent.
The petitioner has a claim of S536.41
against j. A. Getty & Co., and alleges
that there are number of other debts
and judgments against the firm. The
suit is asked to eDjoin certain parties
from taking Judgment against j. A.
Getty d Co. and to prevent the latter
from disposing of property.
Farwell. Ozmun. Kirk & Co. have gar.
nished funds of the B. F. Sturteyant
company IN the hands of Kelly u Lamb
and the Omaha Railway company to
satisfy claim of $3.50. 10, due for m err
clandise sold.
Judge Kelly has filed an order in the
case of Ruth A. Spencer against The
Firemen'S Insurance Company of Chi.
cazo, opening the Judgment against tina
defendant for the sole purpose of max
Ing an inquiry as to the amount of dam.
ages the plaintiff is entitled to recover.
The cause of William Croes against
Victor Dorle has been transmitted TO
the district court by Justice Shields for
trial. :,
D. B. Tennis & Co. ask Judgment
against Herman E. Brandt for 5000. due
upon promisSOry note.
j. Hallen d Co. have sued Fred Mo.
berg to recover S56S. As for merchandise
sold :
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29
PRORIBlTIONISTS MEET
And Denonce the Summer Jockey
Club Event.

And Denonce the Summer Jockey
Club Event.
The following delegates to the county
convention were elected at the Tenth
ward Prohibition caucus at Hamline
hall last night: Prof. e. S. Iunis.
George F. Wells, J. W, Wallace. J. D.
Fngle, d. D. Kimball, d. w. Feltham,
A. ". Brown, E. A. Cooke, l.. E. Lewis,
Prof. A. Il. Drew. w. j. Greer.
The convention for the Tenth and
Eleventh wards and the country towns
then assembled and Prof. George S.
Innis. of Hamine university, was NOM
mated for the legislature. He accepted
and will make all active campaign. The
following resolution was adopted:
Whereas the Twin City Jockey club
held meeting this summer upon the
State Fair grounds, during which for
forty-five days gambling and liquor
selling were publicly carried on in
defiance of the laws of the state and the
peace and welfare of the citizens of this
community;
Resolved, That we expect and demand
of the member of the state legislature
fro M thisdistrict that he shall use his
utmost endeavors to have a law passed
prohibiting the sale of pools and gam.
bling upon the State Fair grounds, and
that the contract between the board OF
managers of the State Agriculture So
ciety and the Twin City Jockey club
shall be Investigated as to its results by
the state legislature, and that contract,
if poSsible anuulled.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29
WORK WILL NOW GO ON
EFFORT TO BLOCK THE BELT
LINE BRIDGE FAILED,
Judge Sanborn Denies the In.
junction Asked by a Bond
Company.

The suit of W. N. Coler & Co. against
the South ST. Paul Belt Line Railroad
company, Frank P. Blair and the Pit is
burg Bridge company came on for
argument yesterday afternoon before
Judge Sanborn in the United States
circuit court. This is the action which
has attracted considerable attention,
because 1t concerns the bonds issued
by South st. Paul and Newport to aid
in the construction of tina bridge now
building between those points. The
complainants, through Flandrau, Squires
81 1Cntcheon, their solicitors, alleged
that the railroad company had first
sold their bonds to them and then after
wards disposed of them to the Pittsburg
Bridge company, and sought to restrain
their delivery to the Bridge company.
Ambrose Tighe, representing the de-
PENDANTS. interposed a demurrer to the
bill, which Judge Sanborn at once sus-
iained. At the same time he vacated
the restraining order which had been
granted and denied the defendants
application for temporary Injunction.
This dispoSeS of the entire litigation
finally and frees this important enter.
prise from the menace of this hostile
movement. The work on the bridge is
progressing rapidly, and is viewed by
many visitors in these pleasant days.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29
CORSET ROOM.

100 dozen good Muslin
Drawers, with yoke band,
hem and cluster of tucks,
10 cents today; regular
price, CSC. Positively not
more than three to one
buyer.
New "P D" Corsets, fine
Coutil, shook clasp, double
side steels, white or black,
$3.50.
Z Z Corsets are the best
we know of. They're light
and graceful, and wear
splendidly. Price for white
or drab, $500.
We are sole agents for
Equipoise Waists, the mod
ern corset substitutes.
Prices: White, 50. IS; Drab,
$3.50; Black, $50 90.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29
OUR DISTRICT JUDGES.
THE NESTOR OF THE RAMSEY
COUNTY BAR SPEAKS.
Hon. Henry Horn Urges the Nom
inatiOn OF Judges Brill ond
Kelly at Today's Convention.

To the Editor Of the Globe.
Set. 2S.-Permit me to make an ap-
peal to our fellow citizens with respect
to the Importance of the approaching
election of two of our district Judges.
Judges Brill and Kelly, whose terms of
Office are about expiring, are before the
people for reelection. Every member
OF the bar cheerfully indOrses their fit
ness for the office, their tried impartial
ity, ability and faithfulness, and every
citizen OF Ramsey county who would be
W ilIlng to sacrifice his partisan pre-
objections and elect judges without re-
Spect to politics, would. believe. cheer
fully vote for the election of these
judges.
1t is believed that no one considerable
ly would deny the Importance and poll
cy of keeping this election Of judges out
of politics.
In Ramsey county this policy has
been favored for long time. Judge
Wilkin. term after term. although
Democrat. Was Endorsed by the Repub-
llcan conventions and elected unani-
mouSly by both parties.
In 1883 committee, of which the I'M
dersIgned was member, representing
the bar OF Ramsey county, waited upon
the two county conventions, Democrat
and Republican, for the purpose of
affirming and securing this policy, and
1t was unanimously adopted 10y both
conventions, and Judges Brill, SimOns
and Kelly, who We're then in office. and
whose names were before tho people for
reelection, were selected. without re-
spect to party and by both conventions.
When our judges were increased to
SIX III number 1t was made point to
select them equally from both parties
to prevent friction, and this was carried
out in elections and appointments, ex-
cept with one apparent, but not inten-
tiOnal. exception. in an appointment TO
fill vacancy. The paramount object.
OF course, was to take the selection OF
judges out of politics.
1t so happens at the present time that
the six judges are equally divided in
their political sentiments. and it appears
to me that it is fitting opportunity for
the political county conventions about
to be held to confirm this tlme-honored
policy, especially as "a large majority OF
the bar of both parties have already re-
quested it i'll their recent published
petition.
Judge Brill and Kelly, in addition to
their peculiar qualification for this posi-
ton. have been tested by long years of
service. which is the best guaranty to
the public of their fitness.
HENRY j. HORN.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29
IN VIOLATION OF LAW.
The Incorporation of Fridiey Park
So Held

Attorney General Childs yesterday
gave his written opinion in the matter
of vacating the Incorporation of the
village of Fridley Park, application for
the use of his name in the matter hav-i
ing already been made to him. The
opinion reads as follows.
have made careful inquiry into the
question of its organization, especially
with reference to the extent of territory,
population and improvements thereof.
From the evidence adduced by such in
curry it appears that the village con.
tains nearl. 5000 acres,.most of which
consists Of farming lands. The popu-
lation is very sparse. and consists
largely of farming population and
the men employed by company
engaged in the business of brick
making, some of whom are transients.
No public improvements have been
made in the village; i'll fact. it is mis-
homer to call it village. Unquestion-
ably, the incorporation of the territory
into village was in violation of law.
The case of The State eX rel. VS.. Village
of Minnetonka, SO N. w. R., 1OO6, is
clearly decisive of the merits of the
application.
The application is therefore granted.
d. w. CHILDs. Attorney General.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29
ATE vAsELINK AND BREAD.
Little Girl Made Way With Her
Mothcr's Bottles.

Little Girl Made Way With Her
Mothers Bottles.
A st. Paul man last night told
GLOBE reporter n singular story about
one of his children-a little girl. He
said that his wife az one time kept
missing vaseline from bottle Oh her
toilet table. Bottle after bottle was
purchased and druggist near by was
making good profits. The head Of the
family declared that he never used the
stuff. and his good wife used but very
little. AT first they thought that the
hired girl might bs making away with
1t. but she denied it. They changed
hired girls tn rec times inside of two
months. but that made no difference.
he vaseline abstraction still c0ntin-
ued. A close watch was kept
on the bottle. and at last
one day The thief was caught. 1t was
the baoy girl OF the household. 1t was
discovered that the child had developed
an appetite tor the petroleum product,
which she scraped out with her little
forrhnger. spread it upon crackers. and
ate la bread and butter. Il could not
SCI that it injured her in any way" said
her father. but my wife broke her Of
The appetite"
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29
Personal MEN CION.

j. R. CAVITY, Morris, Is registered al
the Merchants.
Charles Kettle, Princeton, was Mer-
chants guest yesterday.
Senator Leavitt. of Litchfield, was q
Merchants guest yesterday.
j. r. Howard, Sank Center. and Fred
Luken. Brainerd, were at the Merchants
yesterday.
H. Gutenberg, of Carlton, and j. c..
Bowers, of Red River Falls, called on
Attorney General Childs yesterday.
. Visitors at the Commercial club yes.
terday were: w. c. Butterfield, Phila-
delphia, Pa: II. D. Diamond and Mrs.
Diamond. MankatO, Mimi; E. M. Tress.
colt, What Cheer, TO-, and Rev. G. II.
Rogers, Kenosha, Wis.
At the Windsor-H. G. Lewis, G. s.
Houghton, Chicago; Mrs. j. A. Lovely,
Mrs. Y. o. Esping. Albert Lea; j. ID.
Crowley. Duluth: F. A. Luse. Aber.
deem; 1. G. Herr. Slayton; Emil Fritz
berg, Ely; c. E. johnson, Mankato.
AT the Clarendon-M. M. Shields,
Faribault; S. ID. Yendes. Blue Earth
City; NJ. j. Feeley, Boston; Mrs. S. c.
Bowman, Rothsay; Il. d. Neelands,
Chicago: j. Rosenbaum, New York.
At the Merchants'-WllIiam Anglin.
Charlotte Z, Anglin. Crookston; Drew
Musser. Little Falls; G. w. Holcomb,
Washington, DC; A. E. Long. Sedalia
w. s. Hale, London; George K. Moore,
Judson; F. R. Fulton. Grand Forks; R.
Wheaton, Milwaukee; F. 6. Fischer,
Fort Pierre,S. D.. Mrs. George Rangers,
Cottonwood; John Lind, New Ulm; V.
Simpson, Winona.
AT the Ryan-G C. Osborne, r. w.
Hare. 81. l.. Geddes. Chicago; E. G.
Holmes. Detroit: A. l.. Reed, Massa.
chusetts: F. NJ. Gilpin, Philadelphia
D. c. Meglin, George w. Coulston, New
York; John Ii. Noble, Boston; NJ.
Avery. Hamilton. Ont; e. S. Griffith,
New York; William B. Orcutt. Chicago;
George l.. Paine. Boston; George A.
Flaccus, Wheeling, w. Va; j. Z. Lon
der, Boston; W. P. Robinson Jr.. St.
Joseph.
At the Sherman-H. NJ. Jordon,
Tacoma: Charles E. Wright, Red Lodge,
Mont; NJ. Shattuck, Chicago; Ii. ID.
Bell, River Falls, Wis; l.. r. Ancker,
Alexandria; c. A. Tillotson and wife,
Brighton, Ia; II. l.. Reynolds and
wife, Seattle.
At the Internationally. R. Sherman
and wife. Mrs. Mckinney, Duluth; A.
Hayward, Cameron. H.: s. A. Burr
and family, National Park; j. K. Bling.
ham. Fargo; E. Scoville, La Crosse; J
j. Strain, Whitewater.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29
ACCUSED OF ASSAULT.
Merchant Arrested-A Little Girl
the Alleged Victim,

Merchant ArreSted-A Little Girl
the Alleged Victim.
Benjamin Norman, young grocer
whose store is located at Ramsey street
ana Smith avenue, was arrested yester-
day, charged with grave otfense.
Norman is accused of enticng Irene
Gartner, an eight-year-0ld girl, into
back room adjoining his store and as
saulting her.
The complaint, sworn to by Mrs. Cart
ner. mother Of the girl, and who herself
is the daughter Of Cardozo, the painter,
alleges that the Offense was committed
Aug. 81. but that her daughter did not
inform her of the fact until Thursday
evening. Mrs. Gartner Immediately
notified the police, and Detective Koran
arrested Norman yesterday morning.
Feeling in the neighborhood of Moor
mans store ran high, and ugly threats
were made against the young man.
But Moorman tells a different story.
In the first place he fatty denies the
charge. He declares that his arrest and
the serious accusation against him were
prompted by spite upon the part OF
Mrs. Gartner, who was mad at
him, so Norman alleges, because
he had refused her further credit.
He further asserts that the Gartner girls
and other children in the neighborhood
were in the habit OF running into his
store and asking him for candy and
fruit and sometimes helping themselves
to apples. Last Tuesday one of the
Gartner girls came into his place and
took an apple. so Norman says. aud
refused TO put it back when he ordered
her, whereupon he took it away from
her.
The case was continued until Oct. 3.
and Norman was placed under $1,000
bail.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29
AND ONE OLSON ESCAPES.
Man Charged With Robbing
a Mail Box Sent to Fed
eral Court.
GAVE BACK HIS SONS MONEY
Tailor Who Sold q Custom
er'S Coat Sent Out for
Sixty Days.

s.What,s In n non,as,, ,,o,;rod IN
Jov..in.nir.d Ju,iat .,uos ,,.e,, :, ,i,,.,
If Inlet had visjted the Sr p,ul mn
,;c;noI on,,, va,t,.,., u,,;,,., si,.
.'.I', .ou' yos'ciu". ioi"in ono
wou'u nave observer that sometime s
there Is much III a name. There was SO
much in the name of John Olson upon
this occasion as to make difference Of
SO or ten DAYS To the owner of the
name Tbsre war. two Iohr OIsons
Ln,h ,oh,,aa ~ ..a.,,,,,. 0a;s A.
rnr,,;oi, ,...,.ts ..,a ne,
the other When rho cIsrt oallsd tha
name of McCormick,s. ..John Olson the
gentleman resnond.a ..Cuj,tv y which
observation was sunnIrmen,ed Inv .Indpe
Twohy's remark. Zen dollars or fen
days. OFFICER Davis, thinking that this was
MS John Olson, did not look at the man
o,oS .i, en1usn " peicelve that IL was
cnur, 800, an'i go. a 49,. 80 tns
Iohn 0lSn, NJ, nos ssrni ., oI Tis 49,
but he was tnn smart ~ cav ~ .as So c ;;
jnStead ha ra,,Iiad .iNo, 1y,;,tu >.
there was no one to aprear against him.
he was discharged; but it is understood
that certain police court lawyer man
aeu az ~ se. ioiu VI so.iie VI tue coih VI
~ NV p"' % {" nus
must answer TO Uncle sam.
William Lyons. the individual who
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29
Sent TO THE WoRKHOUsE.
Confessed to Stealing $277
and Becoming a Hail Fell
low Well Met
ASSAULT ON A LITTLE GIRL
Charged Against Benjamin
Norman, a Ramsey
Street Merchant.

His desire to be "a hail fellow we'll
metz and to buy frequent drinks of
whisky fur his friends and hi mself, has
landed Henry w. Schnittger in the
workhOuse for ninety days. The sen-
teDee is the heaviest the municipal
court can impose, and yet Mr.. Schultz.
ger is fortunate. for he might have been
prosecuted in the district court under
an indictment charging him with grand
larceny. The circumstances are these !:
Schnittger had been employed for a
considerable time as collector for the
}. s. Friedman IL Lewis American Bis
cult and Manufacturing company. Yes
terday he was arrested and taken before
Judge Twohy on the charge of petit
larceny. When Schnittger was called
The stood before the court and made a
clean breast of the whole thing. He
confessed that he had stolen altogether
S277 from the firm, and had borrowed
S2uO from the bOokkeeper some months
ago to make good previous populations.
Asked what he had done with the
money, for his family expenses were
small, Schnittger said it had all gone
for whisky.
But you certainly couldn't have
drunk all that amount of whisky in two
MONTHS" observed Judge Twony.
mo, your honor" replied Schnittger,
''but my friends helped me. | wanted
to be nail fellow well met"
Then Schnittger broke down aud
cried. 1t was evident that his situation
and the recollection OF his misdoings
dlstresse d him keeniy. Previous to
these populations he mad always been
an exemplary young man. so his en-
ployer. MIR. Friedman. said.
Judge Tw0hy observed in pre- nounc-
ing the sentence OF ninety days, that.
under the circumstances. lie could not
make it any lighter. The prosecuting
firm might have charged Schnittyer
with taxing the S277, but instead the
complaint mentioned only one item, and
that less than SIS. in order to keep
Within tine limit Of petit larceny.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29

ley containing papers, dolls. books. toys.
etc.. TO the children in the burned
district.
The receipts yesterday were as fol-
lows:
From Waseca. MIMI. eight boxes Of
Clothing. etc, four sacks Ut -four. bed
and bed springs; from Montgomery. box
OF clothing and eight sacks Of flour;
from the ladies' of the Baptist church ut
Sleepy Eye, ono both clothing; from
Ctbokst0n, ONE box clothing; from Miss
Victor. OF st. Paul, two bundles OF
Clothing.
S'den. Bend had no cash collections to
report.
Kenneth Clark, treasurer of the relief
commission. reported the following:
Received up to Sept. ~. SAT. $50 90
Frsm employees West Publish.
sahg company 1877 50
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29
POLITICAL GOSSIP.

A prominent Democrat yesterday. In
speaking Of the candidacy of George G
Armstrong for the county treasurer.
ship, said: II have nothing but COM
mendatlon for County Treasurer Nell
son, who has given clean and honest
administration of the office. | would,
however, as would others, much like to
see George c. Armstrong nominated.
He is competent TO fill the place, and
has an intimate knowledge of that class
of work. 1t would be good policy to
give him the nomination, and l trust
the convention viii. see it in that light"
The Cleveland Club Of North St
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29

For sale by KENNEDY & CHIT.
TENDEN, East Third street. St
Paul, Mimi.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29
CREMATORY LOCATED.
COMMITTEE WILL PLACE 1T ON
THE WEST SIDE
On the River Two Miles Below
the Robert Street
Bridge.

The joint council committee on garb.
age did not meet yesterday afternoon as
scheduled. but it will report in favor of
site for the crematory. at a special
meeting of the assembly to be held this
evening. The committee will recon-
mend that the crematory be located on
the West st. Paul side of the river
about two miles below the Robert street
bridge. The city owns five acres of
ground there, and it is the opinion of
the committee, after due investig alton,
that it is the best place available. The
assembly Will meet this evening to open
the bids for the crematory. 1t is under
stood that there are three bids.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29
Y ERx 4

The increasing success of
this store proves the public
faith. You trust, you buy.
Why? Each advertising
word is true-and St. Paul
housekeepers know it.
When there is falsehood
in tie advertising, can you
expect truth behind the
counters? We stand behind
every statement we print.
St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-09-29
fIE[D,MAH[ER
e. co.

Good times have come
again. It's as easy to sell
goods as it was before hard
times were heard of. Maybe
our low prices have much
to do with it.