The evening world., 1894-10-01

IL don't think am able to answer that
question" replied Major kipp.
| do YOU think II would be OF advan-
| tage II the Legislature should pass law
making the decisions Of the Commission
ers final in these dsmis'als|' asked Sen
| atOr OConnOr.
"That is also a question that do not
| feel competent to answer"
| did You ever hear that the Police
| Surgeons who are called in to attend an
officer charge a private fce"' inquired
Mr., cor, . ,.,
Contractor CARPENTER called.
Major kipp, was then allowed to retire.
| and George W. Carpenter was called to
| the witress stand He lived at Port
| chester, and was "A crushed stone con-
| tractor He was now engaged In quarry
! ing at Fort Lee. He formerly did some
/ blasting for the New York central road
| In Fordhlm.
"Dii YOU ever have any relations with
| Il policeman niincl Robert HigginbJt-
TOM" asked Mr.. Gofr
| II don't know whether that was his
| name tut | know I had some dealings
| with policeman"
Mir. Carpenter went on to say that
while he Was blasting at Furdham, two
| FEARS ago. he had some very rough men
| To deal with. III" sent for the fremont
! police one day, when n disturbance was
| threatened among the men, ana an Off
| Ger came up ana remained during tn"
"My brother offered him $40 bill. but
he wouldn't take 1t. saying that when
ever we wanted protection he would do
all he could for US.
Not long after that another officer
came Ia zee us at the mine, and asked
II W" Ncrc doing anything FOR the police.
We said We did not know that II was
necessary. ana he replied 1t was Gus
tUmary.
Il talked the matter over with my
brother, ana the result was | put $50
in AN envelope and gave il to the book
fn a - han h
called ...
What did you give $50 for7"
well, we had to Ileal with a good
many tough chura ctcrs, and W. wanted
Wasn't one Of your forcmen arrested
for blasting in a manner not allowed by
mo, / don't think so. heard of
man being arrested, but don't think 1t
was for That"
"DIdn't you swear before the Grand
jury that one Of your foremen was 80 ar
rested and that Ulcer Higgnhottom
told you that you wouldn't he troubled
afterwards II you would do the right
thing"
:" Yes. | recollcat now | did swear to
something like that" said Mr.. Chrpen-
ter, after considerable hesitation.
The witness said he understood the ex-
preston right thing to mean that
the officer wanted money
" Who suggested $50 as the right
thing"
. think It was one of the foremen at
| the works suggested It,"
Meant Capt. Step;iensOn, He Says.
There is an entry in your books
which reads Capt. s., $40 What does
that refer to-
II suppose that's the money we paid
for our police protection"
who was capt s.?
1T must have been Capt. Stephenson"
admitted the witness. He was up at
fremont at that time
ser IAl nf lnl I'M Il
wriggling. Mr.. Carpenter admitted that
he had paid the police. so that they
would not interfere with his blasting,
and secondly to secure the good will or
the Captain
He said he paid $40 every month to
one officer or another ana that he never
knew the names of the men. 1t APP
peared by the entries In his books that
those amounts were sometimes charged
Officer" and sometimes to the Old
Man"
Couldn't Identity Hipginbotton.
The witness said that he had identl-
hed HiRginbottom az the man who had
collected the money at the quarry. He
admitted that he had met Mr. Wellman
and Mr.. Osborne Mt the Waldorf Hotel,
and that OH his testimony there and the
| aftidavits he made, lligginbottom was
arrested.
And didn't you fail to identify Hig-
wasn't quite sure that 1t was the
man then"
" Didn't you tell Mr. wellman that
iiigginbottom was the man. and that
you could Identify him anywhere"
All can say liz that when | had time
to think the matter over 1 could not
swear positively that 1t was Higgin-
| bottom to whom had paid the money"
What made you change your mlnd?"
asked Chairman LexOw.
- cant explain 1t any more than l
| have done already"
~ tnp ant. IN l.,
gagged In blasting out the Palisades near
Fort Lee to supply macadam stone to
various contractors In this city, Yonkers,
| Long Island ana elsewhere He couldn't
| tell what contractors in this city got
| the stone. but he supposed some of II
WAS used in the city streets.
The witness became quite indignant
when asked by Mr. Con- who had APP
preached him after the meeting with
Mr., Wellman at the Hotel Waldorf and
his going before the Grand Jury.
! Didn't man come to you and say
1t would be better for your business If
you failed to Identify Higginbottom?"
No. sir Never, sir"
"Will you swear that no one talked to
| you about the matter?' asked Senator
| O'ConnOr.
NO. won't say that"
The witness said that when ne met Mr..
| Wellman nt the Waldorf. the lawyer
| seemed to be very anxious to have him
| make complaint and put words into
his mouth. and he was not quite sure OF
hllnSelf tnat night. Afterwards he had
| his doubts about the identification of
| HigginbOttom, and said 80 when he went
| before the Grand Jury.
| II viii swear positively that no man
spoke to me about the matter or made
any such threat to me to my knowledge
| after the meeting at the Waldorf" as
severated the witness in an impressive
| manner
Could any man do 1t without your
knuwledge?' asked MIR. Con.
Yes, he might; ten thousand might do
| so, but | don't remember it," ana the
| audience giggled.
| After having some more fun with the
| witness, MIR Con excused him and re-
| cess was taken.
| Corporation Counsel William II. Clark
and capt. Curtr.ght were in the court
room when the Commute" resumed
work in the afternoon. Senator O'ton-
nor presided In the absence of Chairman
LeXUw.
Mr.. clark was called as the first wit
ness, and in reply To Mr.. Cons qucs-
tons he said that as Counsel to the
CORPORATION it was his duty to act as
Counsel to the Police Board. When any
case affecting the Police Board came M
he usually designated one or another oi
his associates to attend to the case.
how II was YOU We're superseded in the
recent police trials and an outsider was
dvslEnHt"d,' said Mir. Con.
II wasn't exactly SUPERSEDED" replied
Il Mr. Clark "lrCsld"ni came to me [,
consult about the matter, and | sug
grSted Mi. Wcllman To conduct IN,
cases before the Board ON account oi
, his success IN other cases"
Then Mr., Wellman was selected as I