The Superior times. [volume] (Superior, Wis.) 1870-1912, 1894-06-09
MAKING A TARIFF BILL.
Secretary Carlisle and Senator Mills
Tell How the Sugar Schedule
was Framed

CATION was made public to-day. 1t is in
the nature of a general denial, but at
times admits that there is some grounds
to the charges that have been made
connecting them with the sugar schedule
of the tariff bill.
Senator Mills denied all knowledge of
the reported secret interview of Secretary
Carlisle on the sugar question, and said
that he and Senator Jones and Senator
Vest had prepared the sugar schedule as
first reported, and he knew nothing of
any memorandum for the schedule from
the secretary. He also denied any knowl-
edge of the alleged Sunday conference of
the finance committee with those inter
ested in securing legislation. He said he
had never heard of any member of the
Sugar Trust being in the capitol while he
was acting as q member of the finance
committee, and that he had never met
any of the members of the trust. The
letter of introduction was merely formal
note containing only two or three lines.
He declined TO see Mr.. Havemeyer Sen
ator Mills also denied any knowledge of
contributions to the Democratic campaign
committee.
Secretary Carlisle said his memory
does not correspond with that Of Senator
Jones as to the time and place that was
asked to put the sugar schedule into
shape. Mr.. Carlisle stated that Mr.
Jones had requested him to have the
sugar schedule prepared On~the morning
of Saturday. the 9TH of May. and had
come to his house for that purpose and
mad handed him memorandum state
ment OF what he wanted done. He had
agreed to do this because the service was
one that the Treasury Department was
IN the habit of rendering the members of
| the finance committee. After he was at
no ipt ba dull
ing for the ad valorem duty of 40 per
cent. and the additional IA of q cent on
sugars above No. Is Dutch standard.
At O'Clock that day he went to the cap
ltol IN response to a telephone message
requesting his presence taking the sugar
schedule which he had put in shape with
| him. He found Senators Jones. Vest
and MCPHERSON, and Representative
breckenridge in the room of the Senate
committee OH appropriations, and Senator
Gorman came in afterwards. Mr.. Car
Isle continued:
After talking some time II was suggested by
some one-and | am not able now 10 state by
whom, but certainly not by mt. for made no
original suggestion-that instead of having 10
per cent ad ralorem upon all sugars and = of
cent additional upon sugars testing above l6
Dutch standard in color, there should be
duty OF 40 per cent. upon all sugars below No.
10 Dutch standard in color. the additional per
cent being as you Will observe, equal 10 a of
the 40 per cent on the other grades. That was
talked about and while II was not agreed to
because, as | say there were only two members
Jones and Nest-it seemed to be the impression
that would be well to submit that kind of
someone asked ne If | would not write it, |
said: ~ will just take this amendment which
have in my hand, and interline il" In ad-
dluon TO that they said they wanted TO put into
the amendment a clause relating 10 the
Hawaiian treaty. They wanted 10 insert a
clause that this schedule should not abrogate
II TrTaTNo
hawaiian treaty. and asked me if | could not
write that also. said: II will just axe this
paper and interline it, took out the part
which provided for one eighth of cent per
pound additional and put in the provision for
ID per cent al valorem. Then | added to il in
my own handwriting-all the provisions now
contained IN II regarding the Hawaiian treaty,
Just as 1t is day.
Mr.. Carlisle then told Of his visit to the
capitol next day, which was Sunday. eX-
planning how his visit came to be made.
TO correct the discrepancy in the schdule
which. had it not been corrected world
have left sugar without either duty or a
bounty between July !, 1894. and Janu-
airy /, 1879. This occurred 10 him. and
not hndns Senator Jones in his home he
had driven TO the capitol TO make the sug
geStlon that the hiatus should be provided
for. When to his surprise he had found
Senators Jones. Vest and Mcpherson.
and Representative BRECKENRIDGE at work
on the tariff amendments. which were to
be introduced the following day. He was
then told that the amendment which he
had lnterlned. changing the duty on re
hned sugar from the compound rate of 40
per cent. had been abandoned. and he
simply said "all right" and came away.
Closing this part of what may be called
his direct testimony, Mr.. Carlisle said:
The amendment which l prepared by inter
lin>atIons in the report of the committee of
finance handed to Senator Jones rs | passed
through, going out of the capitol on that Satur-
day afternoon, and have never seen il since
Now, II seems to me that some person. do not
know who il iS-haS seen that amendment in
NV handwriting, undoubtedly from the state
ment which the Senator has just read To me- and
as far as am concerned il NAV be IN bl{shed to
the whole world and read in the Senate or any
where else. II Is simply a compliance with the
request OF senator Jones and the others present,
ment, presume, although he fixes the time in
February. It was on the 5th day of May
Upon being asked by Senator Lodge
whether he had advised the finance com
mittee as to whether it was better to
have al valorem or specific duties. Mr.
Carlisle said:
have always been in favor of nm ad vaIorem
duty, hut II do not remember that | gave them
any such opinion then. There was very little
SAID about II. may say also that have ALWAYS
been i'll favor of moderate duty on sugar as a
revenue article. and prepared the minority
report on the Mckinley bill against the pro
visions putting sugar on the free list.
MI NuIIiSlf Stll IidI no knew that nd
valOrem duties were advocated by the
Sugar retining interest, for both the refin-
erS and the planters, well as others in
terested in tariff legislation. had talked
with him about their business With
reference to the note of introduction
which he gave Mr.. Hayemeyer TO Senator
Mills, he said that he wrote the note for
him as he wrote letters for others inter.
eSted in tariff Legislation to other members
of the committee. and he hoped that if the
note was still in existence il would be
made public. He said he had known Mr.
lIayemeyer for number of years and
Mr.. Havemeycr had stated that he also
knew Senator Mills, but feared the latter
would not see him unless he had n note
He had never refused To write such n let
ttr If he thought the man who requested
il was worthy. Mr.. Havcmfycr. he said
had called to see him about the tariff leg
iSlation on sugar, as had also Mr. ScarleS
and Henry X. Reed. of Boston. and all
had talked about this matter. but he could
not remember what they had said. There
had been. however. 10 intImatiOn from
any of them that the Democratic party
was under obligations 10 the Sugar
Trust Mr.. Carlisle denied cmphatically
that he had ever made secret call upon
the finance committee or made a demand
upon them To protect sugar because Of the
Democratic party obligations to the Su-
gar Trust.
Senator McPhcrson's testimony was do
voted largely 10 an explanation Of stock
purchases and the method of conducting
them He said that he had agreed with
the finance committee as To the sugar
schedule. He continued:
did not favor the sugar schedule presented
and did rave some over that. but never said
anything about the Democratic partv's beng
under obligations 10 the members Of the Sugar
Trust II my counsel had been taken, the VIII
son bill would have been accepted ny the sen
ate committee without amendment | believe
in free sugar il il could be made free and sut.-
ClCnt amount of revenue secured. Nevertheless
Iotfevcd sugar amendments in committee pro
vidInG for specific duty OF cent per pound OF
sugar testing 70 degrees, and gradual increase
OF about mill additional for each degree of re-
fined sugar. never came in contact with any
of the sugar rerncTs except MI. SearIeS who
called on me in my house and demonstrated
against the schedule had presented in commit
tee. never knew Of any obligations 10 the Su
gar Tpust, but heard the statement made that
the sugar redCCTs were in the habit OF giving the
Democratic side small contribution and the
Republicans a large one.
Mr.. Mcpherson stated that while be