St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1894-01-20

SIS rs for two months. My share was
S2.S5 month. paid it with the UNI
derstanding that it was to be purse of
SIS month. l fell in line with the
balance of the boys. As former wit
ness said, thought it might be good
idea. IL was more through friendship
than fear. | had no fear. We were
assessed according to the size of our
salaries"
70 Mr.. Townley-In an office of that
kind there are good many assumptions,
and it is good thing to have friend.
l paid nothing before Mr.. Morris term
and nothing this month. 1t was a vol
untary contribution, and not at the re-
quest of Mr.. Mccarthy.
To Mr.. Markham-l was never asked
to contribute before the term of MIR.
Morris.
T. f. KEILIHER.
t. +. Kelliher made a statement, as
follows:
To Mr.. Lightner-I have been in the
office since 1887. l contributed to the
fund from July, 1892, until December
last. l paid Sl.60 up to October last;
for November paid $3.50; for Decem-
Der. $40. The first month Mr.. Nc
Carthy said something about Mr. Frank
lin standing by the office. He SAID Mr..
franklin was a poor man. He was oulv
getting S75 month, and that We were
getting more, and could help nim.
told Mr.. Mccarthy that It was risky
business. | did not know then that it
was to be kept up. Mr.. MacCartny said
lie thought it was not bride. A few
days ago | sent for Mr.. Franklin to come
up TO the Office. heard that the matter
was getting out. heard rumors going
around. 1t was understood that it was
to be kept quiet. Mr.. Franklin
came to the Office. told
him the matter was getting out
ana might get into the papers. Mr..
Franklin seemed alarmed. Mr.. Morris
was not there. We had talk. l agreed
with Mr.. Franklin that the money
should be paid back. There were sew
eral employees present at the time of the
second talk. Mr.. Morris was also pres
ent then. MIR. Franklin said he did not
have money enough to pay it all back
but that he would skirmisn around by
Monday morning. Mr. Franklin went
out to see Mr.. Mum. and after he came
back offered to give checks to the diff
fereut ones to be paid the next Wednes-
day The amount was figured up. Mr..
Franklin did not claim that he had not
received the amount. After that it was
understood that Mr.. Mum had advised
against paving the money back. and the
matter was dropped. In the CONVERSE
| ton with Mr.. Franklin he seemed to
understand the whole matter. l paid
the money because thought it neces-
sary to keep my place. L have been LII
The office seven years. suppose l
| owed my place to Mr. Morris when he
| was Inspector.
70 Mr.. Townley-I heard rumors
going around on Thursday after Mr..
Gauger was elected. Mr.. Meyer told
me. | then heard 1t from the News re-
porter.
Did not ii. b. Fuller. of this city,
tell you that if you kid not give up the
| information you would be called before
the grand jury?"
Not until after the rumors got out"
Did he inquire of others as to the
| facts about the money ?"
Eyes, SIR"
WAS this before any publication ?"
1T was the day before the publica-
tion.''
How many times did Mr.. Fuller see
you about it?"
Twice"
"What did you say to Mr.. Fuller ?"
Il told him did not want to discuss.
the NATTER
Ibid Mr.. Fuller tell you he would
have you called before the grand jury?"
HE made such statement
What did MI. Fuller ask you?'
He wanted me to state what l knew
about the payment of money to Mr.
! Franklin"
! MIR. MORRIS ANSWERS.
! Mr.. Morris was then asked to make
statement.
Mr.. Reardon moved that Mr. Morris
be excused.
MIR. Morris-I am willing to answer
any questions.
Mr.. Morris stated that what the other
men had stated was true as to the pay
ment of money, and added, that it was
merely gift. He said Mr.. Franklin
was poor man. and he had lost chair
manship that lie wanted.
In answer TO questions by Mr.. Light
ner he said: Il contributed ITS
month, every mouth. Mr.. Mccarthy
suggested the payment. did not meet
Mr.. Franklin until several months after
! l took the office. He came into the
Office then and 1 met him. had no
| conversation with MIR. Franklin about
the removal from office"
"Wby did you contributed"
IL was told that Mr.. Franklin was
broad-gauge man; that he was poor
man. and little money would help
him. did not know that 1 was
| to contribute more than one
month at first. The next month
| the paper was again brought
around by Mr.. Mccarthy. 1 subscribed
to 1t then and afterwards as would to
the Sisters of the Poor or any other
| charity. | did not consider it bride.
l knew the council was close"
Ibid you think Mr.. Franklin would
| vote for the ordinance?'
Il thought he was broad gauge man
and would vote for what was right, I
| paid the November and December con-
| tributfons to Mr.. Franklin. The Novem
Der pay was left at the Pioneer Press
! jobbfng office. The December money l
| paid to him in person.
To Mr.. Townsley-At that time there
was no talk about money. l handed
| it to him in an envelope, as it was
| handed to me by MI. Meyer. We
| talked about politics.
Ibid he not express surprise at your