The Washington times., 1894-12-30

features, bright brown eyes. shaded by heaW
eyebrows. wears a full beard and mustaehe
which with his black hair is numerousiy
s;reaked with the gray hairs of hard WORK.
He wears 2 black felt sloueh hat in the South
ern style. His manner CT conversational
speech will lie illustrated by the following in
teryiew had with him by a TINES reporter
Being asked what led him into labor agita-
ton. he replied:
The fact that 1 was the son OF IabOrer
That is sufficient, ISN'T it; eh2 Then lived
in a district which has suffered poverty and
L have been elected to many positions to rep
resent the poorest people IN my own country.
That will answer your question definitely, /
think
I'm what relation do you stand to the So
cialistic idea?7'
Il am a socialist. but / believe that trade
unioniSm and municipal socialism is the
mediums by which the socialists views viii
be ultimately realized. We must walk before
We can run Trade union has been the srilt
by means>of which labor has been kept on It's
legs; that has enabled it to walk when
neither anarchy nor socialism could have
supported it.
''When socialism m IS strong enough to dis-
pense with the assistance that trade unionism
hus given it land don believe that will ever
be because under any form of society trade
unienism will be necessary then municipal
and probably State socialism VIII take the
place of that condition of things which trade
unionism now permeates."
In what light do you view the method of
the aEarchists?"
Il AM AGAINST ANARCHY
Anarchy is individuaiism run mad II is
dream-a vague but pleasant deiusion-en
the part OF impractical enthusiasts who never
knew what poverty is, who have no knowl-
edge of the affairs of this world. or failing
that, it is the Illusion Of men whose hearts
are bigger than their heads and VINO take
short cuts to the Millennium because they
have not the patience. the resolution or the
method TO seek more slowly and more surely
the best modes OF reform
1T often happens in this country that YOU
attach too much importance to anarchists.
The remarkably small number of them in this
country was an agreeable surprise 70 me- /
believe that as trade unionism and socialism
grow anarchy in every country must inevita-
bly, disappear. What Is known as anarchy in
America is the natural aud vio.ent protest
that your poor people are compelled TO make
owing to the manipulation Of property and
wealth and their concentration and aggrega-
ton IN a few hands. which drives men to do
anarchicaily what they would not do unless
forced to if by the Jay Goulds. the Roekefel-
lers. and the Carnegies who provoke the
poor and antagonize labor 10 an extent which
Is not done IN any other eOuutry in the
world.
Speaking OF the difference between the
labor movement in this country and
Great Britain Mr.. Burns sid The
labor movement in America laiOrs under
disadvantages thas do not exist fOrtu-
nafelv Ia the old coun y You have hero a
Heterogeneous cenStitueury Speaking many
languages. bat the difficulties on this CONT
nPnt great tbolEh they are. viii ke sur
mounted tor as the darkest night precesies
the brightest morn. 50 Eiu the Ereater diff-
Guilty here induce hi-or 10 adopt quicker and
more general rruiedies than tnose whls-h
some ol them AZ present seem inclined 20
adept. The Amerieaa labor movement IN the
direction % trade uEianisn has got 10 20 into
politics. II must do thai because politics has
gone 50 deep iaso labor that
n Hks ~ grHEn CHOICE"
Aner TINS talk Mr.. Burns went cut with
Mr.. Power and Mr. Benn 70 continue his
81 10 the publie buildings. In the morn
ing he bad visited the Labor Bureau where
he had a talk with Commissioner Carroll d.
Wright. from whom he received a pile OF
statistics. He also visited the public print
ing Office. where be was shown around "
Public Printer Benedict. OF both OF thesc IN
stitusions he spoke IN the highest praise He
said OF Mr. Wright that in England he was
regarded rs one OF Ame ica's greatest men
He also expressed himself in favor of the
pubic printing system here as opposed TO
the English contract system and pied ged
himself TO work for its abolition. he spoke
of the Government Printing Of1es as the best
social and industrial institution of the kind
he bad ever seen.