The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1894-06-05
THE SENATOR'S EIPLLIN.
Members of the F,naneo conmittee TeH
About Sugar Tariff

WASHINGTON. June 4.-Senator
Gray. chairman OF the Sugar Trust In
vestlgating Committee. laid before the
Senate to-day the official stenographic
report OF the testimony given by Senators
Mcpherson, harms: ZONES c2oniessii MnlS' psrrs Sest,
sentative Warner. a synopsis of which
has been already given In these dis
patches.
the charges published concerning Secre-
tarv Carlisle and the doings OF the
Sugar Trust. For himself. he said, he
disagreed with the committee as TO the
sugar schedule. He opposed the sugar
schedule presented by the committee, and
did a little raving over that himself. but
never saw Carlisle do any of 1t. At one
time Mcpherson said he laid before the
committee the views OF his friend. Mat
thieson, a member of the Sugar Trust,
but did not endorse them; on the con-
trary. he opposed them and voted against
the committees proposition.
The witness said MIR. Searles, secretary
of the Sugar Refining Company, came to
his house and argued that a proposition
offered by Mr.. Mcpherson would give
the sugar reduers nothing Mr. Searles
was the only person he ever saw on the
subject.
SENATOR MILLS DENIAL.
Senator Mills denied any knowledge Of
The letter from Mr.. Carlisle introducing
Mr. Havemeyer was simple letter OF
Introduction. but MI. Mills said ne de-
clined 10 see him. Referring to the way
I'm which duty was put on sugar. Mr..
Mills said Il was the first one OF three
to propose a duty on sugar. 1t was
an unwelcome thing for me 10 do II.
The reason was as you gentlemen know.
/ have always advocated putting sugar
on the d9tiable list AS a revenue article
and / told them: We have got to have
more money than the Wilson bill makes
and we have to have a duty on sugar.
l do not want It. / do not like TO go
backward. / would not have taken sugar
off the dutiable list and put it on the
free list. IL has been done and | do not
like TO put anything back on the duti-
able list, | do not care whether IL Is
revenue article, TO take 1t from the free
list and put 1t back on the dutiaole
II said: We have got to do It, and
you may as well make up your minds
about It. We have to have more
money.
MR. IoNrs EXPLAINS.
Mr.. Jones testified that before the last
amendments 10 the sugar schedule were
reported there was some talk OF making
the duty on refined sugar 45 per cent In
stead Of one-eghth Of cent.
There was some talk" said Mr. Jones,
"in the presence OF Mr. Carlisle. Senator
tSl anu llt bl Dlthilb Il fcUElult Oh
20 or i5 per cent. and asked Mr.. Car
Isle 10 prepare schedule.
II asked him merely to save myself
the labor Of ii. because with the data in
the Treasury Department | thought he
would he sure u have all the points
Necessary"
MY. Carlisle Sna ss saggestea. Nr.
Jones assumed the responsibility for Mr..
Cdrlisle's action.
TIE TRUST MADE no Contribution.
Secretary Carllsle's testimony is rather
brief and pointed. He denied in toto the
charges that he had made any recent
visit "a the tinaUce Committee. ef that
he mad made any statement TO any hui
man being that the Sugar Trust or any
one acting for II i,t made any cOntri-
buuODs 40 the Democratic campaign
fund, and that the trust must be cared
FOR. Coupled with this denial. Mr.. Car
Isle said: IF you want TO give my in
formation, derived from a member OF the
committee. | will say that the Sugar
Trust gave nothing whatever to the Dem
ocratic Campaign Committee. This is
merely from heresy; / know nothing
about IL personally"
as TO how he came to draft the sche-
dule, the Secretary said II was in ac-
cordance with Senator Jones request.
Mr.. Carlisle added: ut was a service
that we had been doing very frequently
during the consideration Of this bill, and
a service which. according 10 my own
knowledge, the Secretary of the Treasury
had always done heretofore when tariff
bills were pending"
This matter was fully described in the
semi official statement published OH Sat-
urday last.
Mr. Carlisle said he had been called upon
by both refiners and planters, and he
knew the refners advocated ad yalOrem
duties Mr.. Searles. Mr.. Havemeyer, and
Mr. Reed, representing the trust, had all
called upon him.
As 10 any suggestions or argument that
he may have made relating TO the sugar
schedule. Mr.. Carlisle said: LAS 10 the
sugar schedule, | will say | never made
any suggestion about IT, | mean by that
any Independent or original suggestion, or
any voluntary suggestion.
SENATORS JOINS. VOORHEES, AND VEST.
Senators Jones, Voorhees,, and Vest de-
MED absolutely any knowledge OF any
meeting such as was alleged to have
taken place on a Sunday afternoon In the
Capitol building between Democratic men,
bers of the Finance Committee and repre-
sentatives Of the Sugar Trust. They also
denied that Secretary Carlisle had told
the Democratic members that the Demo-
cratic party was under obligations TO the
trust and must be provided for