Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1893-09-16

was n great allaround man, and had he
lived he would have maintained his
greatness.
HAD LINCOLN LIVED.
Suppose President Lincoln had moi
been shot, would the history of this
country have been changed,
~ think not replied Senator Cullom.
President Lincoln could not have been
more lcnicnt 20 the south than we were.
and he would not have been more
severe. ] think he would perhaps have
brought about peace and good feeling
| between the sections more quickly. but
u would have been the same as h Is now.
] don't see how he could have followed
out different policy"
Would he have been m equally
great man In history, had he livcdp"
u think so. Abraham Lincoln was
too great a man to have been dwarfed
by the latter part of his life. lie was
giant and as such Doe would have left his
mark on the days alter he did on the
DAYS during the war."
Were you here at the time Of his
Assassination
mo, but ] came on as one Of a COM
mittce from Springfield. to bring the
| body back there for burial al the
time Of his death there was talk about
burying him In Chicago or In Washing.
/ ton. This excited the Springfield people
who wanted him buried al Springfield
and ] was one Of the committee sent on.
] met the funeral train at Harrisburg
and went with Il TO Philadelphia, New
York Buffalo, Cleveland and on via
| indianapolis aud Chicago to Springfield.
lie was you know put In vault there
and a great monument erected over
him"
nov LtNcoLN's GRAVE WAS RoHBED.
Were you In Springfield at the time
That The robbery OF his grave was at
| tcmptcd3'
"Ycs." replied Senator Cullom. at
| was IN 1870 the night of the election.
| remember % very well for was elected
] Governor cot Illinois NJ that time. A set
| OF whelps had conspired together to
| steal The body Of Lincoln and hold il Tor
! ransom. Their plans were carefully
| lad and they would lave succeeded
! had they not been betrayed by one OF
/ their own number The monument
was built over great pedestal In which
were two rooms, One Of these was a
sort OF memorial room. 10 contained
] relies OF President Lincoln and other
things memorial OF him. The other
room held the body OF Lincoln. Il was
laid away M a zinc Caskcl inside Of
marble sarcophagus securely sealed.
As soon as the conspiracy was known
preparations were made 10 prevent lis
being carried out. That night parry
OF the citizens Of Springfield hid them.
elves ~ the memorial room and waited
for the attempted raid They did not
wait IN vain. At midnight the ghouls
came and broke their way into the vault.
They broke open the marble casket at
one end and had hauled the zinc casket
one third OF the way out when the party
IN the memorial room started to catch
them. They succeeded however Ia
escaping though two OF them were after
wards caught aud sentenced to prison.
How are the remains kept today, are
they guarded"
NO there Is no guard over them"
replied Senator CullOm. But they are
so buried that they will never be dis
tufbed. After the attempt Of stealing
the body, tomb was excavated In the
solid masonry directly under the obalisk.
In TINS the body was placed and the
whole was embedded In hydraulic ce-
placed that they will never be touched"
a SCENE At THE WHITE HOUSE.
"Do you remember your first meeting
with President Lincoln at Washington,
SENATOR said !.
YES replied Senator Cullom, and I
remember too very embarrassing
meeting that ! had there. Il was lust
after / was elected to Congress but be-
fore had taken my seat. / knew Lin
coins private secretaries very well.
Both Hay and Nicolay came from
Springfield, and was accustomed TO 20
20 the White House TO see them without
ceremony At this time came up to
the door and passed right through to
Mr.. Nicolay's room. / opened II with
out knocking and went in only TO find
myself IN the presence OF President Linz
coin aud n member OF his cabinet.
Seward, Stanton and Chase were pre-
sent aud as saw them / colored to the
roots Of my hair, begged pardon for the
intrusion aud started to 20 out. Presi-
dent Lincoln rose from the head OF the
table and called me by name. lie came
over to me, got hold OF my hand and
pulled me into the group OF cabinet
ministers. As he did 30 he said to Sec
rotary Seward: Seward ! want you to
know this boy You remember the
old Congressman from Springfield
named Stewart. ! want 10 Introduce
you TO the boy that beat him. This Is
the boy lie thereupOn presented me
10 the different ministers much to my
embarrassment shook hands with
them and backed my way out Just as
soon as could. This was back IN 1864
and II was the next year that | took my
seat IN Congress for the first time"
DO you think Senator that the Con-
grcss Of to-day contains as many great
men as did those following the war;"
81 think not" replied Senator Cullom.
I've had giants Ia the House and Senate
then, We have some good men now
but they arc not as many prominently
great"
CARTER AFTER cULLoM.
The conversation here turned to the
next Senator from Illinois, and | asked
Senator Cullom as to the Democratic
candidate, lie replied that there was
4 number, and that the Senatorial bee
vas bul1ing around the heads OF Alt
ycldt Carter Harrison and others,
said he, 81 saw Carter Harrison At
chicago not long ago and we had
word together as we past. lie said,
All, Cullum, / am after you, l am after
'ou' replied. Yes, you are not the
inst one who has been after me. There
ave been q number who have tramped
lpon my heels IN the past and who have
lnt caught me, and Il may be the same