New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1893-04-14
IRISH SELE-GOVERNMENT.
DEBATE on THE SECOND READING OF THE
HOME RULE BILL.
Mr. CHAPLIN SHOWS ITS FLAWS FROM con
SENTATIVE POINT OF VIEW, AND Is
SHARPLY CRITICISED by JOHN
F.. REDNONT

SHAKPLI CRITICISED Bf JOHN
+. REDMOND
London, April l3.-The debate on tho second
reading Of the Home Rule bill was continued in
| the lIous" of Commons to-day. Henry Chaplin.
who was president of the Board of Agriculture
in Lord Salisbnrys last Cabinet. dis>ected the
bill from the Conservative point Of view and
pointed ont the many flaws in it, Mr.. Chaplin
quoted from speech delivered by Mr.. Glad
stone in ss1. in which the improved conditions
in Ireland in the preceding twenty years were
pointed out. Mr.. Chaplin referred to the opinions
cf Cavour. Ge1ckcn and Molinar against llom"
Rule as disproving Mr. Gladstones statement that
foreign opinion was unanimously on his side.
IF Mr.. Gladstone" Mr.. Chaplin exclaimed.
SIS going to take his principles from the foreign
enemies of England. it is time that he rcn1uishcd
the cares of government" Tho retention Of Irish
Members in the Imperial Parliament. a. pro-
vidod for in the bill. he said wonld prove fhe
beginning Of system Of danger and intrigue.
John T. Redmond Parncl.c Member for Water
ford City. followed Mr.. Chaplin. Mr. Redmond
declared that the speech made by Mr. Chaplin
was stale. fiat AMI unproiitabl" The former
president of the Board of Agriculture. Mr.. Red
mond said, was typ" of the governors wl!o had
made Ireland disaficctcd and the concession Of
Home Rule TO that country inevitable.
Mr.. Redmond took occasion to explain why he
spoke. lie -aid he would not have intru led in
the debate hut he had found that his silence
had been misunderstood. and he dosrd TO make
his position clear The hill hal been offered and
accepted as compromise measure. The member
for BIRMINGHAM Alr Chamberlain had complained
that the Irish members Of the House did not &c
ccpt the bill az final What right had he to expect
such guarantee? Mr. Redmond declared that
he himself did not believe the bill to be final
settlement and he agreed with Mr. Chamberlain
that the fina, scttement would be found in the
direction Of federalism He believed that tho
new constitution would bc success. and that in
the futIre the bounds Of freedom would he
wdencd with the consent Of all parties in Eng
land Unless Ireland had no capacity for self
government, this constitution must develop. lie
would b. "A rash man who would venture TO
that il should he imnutablc for all time sup
pose a clause was inserted declaring the bill 70
be final ? II would not he worth the paper it was
written on
If Mr. Chamberlain meant ny his complaint to
imputc bad faith TO the Irish members because
they declined TO accept the bill inality, he
Mr. Redmond utterly dscaimed any such inter
prctation OF their intentions. They protested with
all the earncstncss al their command their desire
10 accept the measure in an honest. candid spirit.
miserable chapter of English oppression and Irish
resistance. He had never said that Ireland would
repudiate imperial supremacy. hal been
charged. What he had said that an inter
ference with Ireands free exercise Of her new
PRIVILEGES would not be consistent with the trust
England was about % place in Ireland lie was
convinced that the necessity for interference
would not arise, because rash oppressive acts.
shonld they be adopted by the new Parliament.
would he so many nails in the coffin OF the Con-
stituton.
Continuing his remarks Mr. Redmond made a
long review of the historic basis of lr"lands do
mands for home rule.
Mr. Redmond painted gloomy pic'ur" Of the
consequences of the rejection Of the Hon" Rul"
bill He ridicucd the so-cdei | lster arsuinen'.
There might be "a Belfast question: M said. but
no Ulster question; a. per cent OF the population
Of Ulster being Catholics. Many OF thr
Protestant population were afraid to ay0w Their
sympathy with Home Rule Mr.. Rcdmpnl con
cludcd with warm appeal 10 the House -
throw upon Irish shoulders the sObcrlng lhhu"nr"
of responsibility, 10 enable Ireland to D"oom", If
not so prosperous rich and happy, at least AZ
cohtrntcd peaceful and free England.
Leonard H. Courtney Unoni-tj, Member f)r
the Bodmin Division of Cornwall, was 'hr NEXT
SPEAKER He said he no n"c">Siiy Tor the
Home Rule measure He had crave inl"gNinSS
rs 10 whether an Irish Parliament wonld deal
with the varied interests Of tn" country a. Justly
AZ the Imperial Parliament had drait WIN 'ncni
IIe asked why the Government had not borrower
a further safeguard from America, namely VI"
provision that no State shall pas, any law SUD
vcrsive Of obligations or contracts
Mr. Morley Chief Secretary Tor lr'iah" n'r',
int.rposed the remark that the Govcrnlirnt lIad
we'll considered that point, and would Dr aDIr u"
give good reasons for the course II had takeh.
nl1.lup IA La
Radical Member for Northampton, shld tiiit tii
coi,r.c of the debate on the Home RnI" mn d'"
NOT warrant the invoking Of the cIo-ur" rn'.
If Courtrey in concluding his remarks, Sald
that )nt for Mr.. Gladstoncs scheme he saw
no reason why Ireland should not have had iocal
c ncIf Government hy now and Mr.. Sexton have
hrcn made Secretary for Ireland .
On motion Of Home Secretary As1ulth the o'-
bate was adjourned.