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The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
Rail WAY ROBBERS.
Bold Attempt to Rife Train on n Texas
Rond and Ono Robber Cantnro.i

Road and Ono Robber Capturod.
SAN ANTONIO, Tex, June 29.--The bold
est attempt at train robbery that ever oc-
Cured in Texas or in the whole country,
happened near the little village OF B,ecken-
ridge i'll Wilson county, 80 miles south of
this city. The train held up was the San
Antonio and Arkansas Pass passenger No.
2, leaving here at l.2o p. N. The affair re-
suited in the killing OF F. y. Martin, the
fireman, and the capture of one of the rob-
bers, who gives his name as J. D. Nav, a
cowboy
The robber, May. climbed upon the ten
der and with pistol in each hand threw the
guns down upon the engineer and fireman,
and said: Throw up your hands, g
d YOU" The robber then began pour
ing lead into Martin and smptied one
6-shooter into his body, keeping Tierney
covered all the time with the other pistol.
Martin was dead and his rody rolled out
OF the engine and onto the track, where it
was run over by the wheels and mutilated.
The other two train robbers, when they
saw the dead body fall out of the cab,
jumped from their position OH the bag
gage car to the platform and made for the
brush.
The robber May. who killed the fireman,
seeing that he had been deserted, made a
last desperate effort at capturing the train
slnSie-handed. He jumped into the cab
and ordered Engineer Tierney to run the
train aero Indian river bridge The en-
gineer i'll: tie I'd of complying put on the
airbrakes and the train came to Il stand
still The robber then grasped the throttle
and threw her wide open, but the train
would not make any lieaGway, and with Il
parting shot at the engineer the robbcr
jumped from the engine and started up the
track on Il hard run.
The throttle WAS pulled wide open by
the conductor and messenger and the
light engine leaped along the track, gain
ing every moment on the robber, who
would turn and fire at his pursucrs rs he
ran. The robber left the track as the en-
CINE was almost upon him and Conductor
Steele started after the robber single hand
ed He chased him into the brush, firing
as he went. The three robbers at the
bridge with Winchesters commenced firing
ut the conductor and their volleys were re-
turned by the engineer and messenger
Conductor Steele ovcrhaulcd the robber he
was after i'll the brush and disarmed him
of two pistols.
j. ID. May, the man who was captured
refuses to make any statement further
than that it was the Intention of the band
| TO rob the express and passengers.
Martin, the Erenlan who was killed, was
unmarried. Conductor Steele will receive
| 81 900 standing reward from the state for
| capture of train robbers,
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
MARKET QUOTATIONS.

NEW YORK Flour Winter wheat, low
grades, Sl.9Nt2+5; winter wheat, fair to fancy,
e2.45G13.45; winter wheat patents, S3.+0G4.0 90;
Minnesota clears, s2-506I3.c Minnesota
straights. S3.Hg 100; city mills, S3s5Gtj.90. Rye
flour, S3.HGt3.25. Cornmeai-Yelloww western,
S2.6lE5210. Rye - Western. $50. Wheat-No.
red, store and elevator. 7O3zc; ahoat, IN
August i31Ac; September 759sc. Corn-No. .,
4,34@4sc. Options, July, An; August, Ace;
September, 4aasc. Oats-No. . 3s653514c;
No. ., white, 3sc: No. 3, SAC; No. white,
31@;'1i4c; mixed Western, 3ls1:61@c. Beef
Family, Sl0Il2; extra mess. S7.j0GIS.j0 Lard
Western steam, $3.50. Pork - Old mess,
Slaa0; mess. Sl9.O0tl9.5o. Butter
State dairy, I7612lc; state creamery, 2lIsGl PC
western dairy, lj1.Gls. Eggs State snd
3.25. Coffee Spot Rio, No. I, l6]ac. Sugar
GRADUATED, $500 ll-l6c. Wool r Domestic
fleece, 27G1sSa: pulled, a66l37c. Peanuts, hand
picked. 53l6l6c.
RE-Flour-Western super, $500
12.3j; western super, extra Sa.405t2.9; western
super, family, s3l0C53.50: winter wheat pat
ent, S37564.00; spring wheat patent, $500
6fi.2j; spring wheat straight, S3.50db375
Whcat-No. red, spot, 6SGl6S &c; July, 6S19lI
6S9sc; August, 0lS057036c; September 12l9ll,,3lc
steamer, No. 9, red, 6iG56i13c. Milling wheat by
6si159c; yellow corn by sample, 50(J501ec. Oats
No. . white western, 406ilc; No. =. mixed west
ern, 37G53716c. Rye-No. ., Co., Hay-Good to
choice timothy, Sl5.5 00l6.5o. Cotton-AIiddling,
SIC. Provisions-Mess pork, S2l.O0: hams,
l51sc; lard, refined, 1l1fc. Butter Creamery.
fancy, 2llkc; creamery, fair to choice. 1890;
creamery, imitation, lsc. Eggs. Ice. Coffee
Rio, fair. l7S4c; No. Z. l611c. Sugar-Granu-
lated, ll-ldc.
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
That EaoliaH, Story.

From the Wyth.vile journal.
We are stsll sitting on the fence
watching the game OF the "pigs in clio.
YER"
You READ one report of some scribbler
from his county, and you think Tyler is
a bigger man than Cleveland. Then you
read another report from the same set
Element and you are told that OFerrall
will have q walk over, and then some
other little pig will squeak out for Blu
fo'd, and so the pithy little balls go
chasing each other around the circle
until the whole game gets into maze
of uncertainty and confusion. But the
silliest and most absurd phase of it all
nov is that Mars" Grover, he wants to
take hand. The fellow who Matched
out that conception ought to be pre-
scented with leather goose quill, and
be retired on bounty with Ell Perkins
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
STARTED TO LYNCH HER.
a Colored Woman Suspected of Trying
to Poison Is Family.

to Poison Family.
lIIGnrsTowN, N. j., June 29.-LizZie
Stevens, colored, employed by Albert
Chamberlin, wealthy farmer living
near this town, was arrested to- day
charged with attempting to poison the
household OF her employer with paris
green.
Large quantities of the poison wore
found in the tea kettle and in the we'll
This go excited the farm hands they
seized the woman, and but for the
intervention Of Mr.. Chamberlin would
have lynched her.
The woman protested her innocence
and struggled desperately, but in spite
of her resistance she was forced into the
smoke house and locked up to await the
arrival Of constable.
The affair has created intense excite
ment in the vicinity. So far as is known
none of the family partook of the
poisoned water.
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
Supervising Architec
Geo. Il. Vending Tonight.

Despite the rain on Wednesday oven
ing large audience greeted Mr.. Wend-
ling in the town hall at Salem The
audience was charmed with his new
lecture, The Man of Galilea" Mr..
Vending will give one of his best lee
lures in tho Y. NJ. G. A. building to-
night at $3.50 o'clock MIR. Vending
needs no introduction to Roanoke for he
was heard by large audience in his
lecture, "Stonewall Jackson" two
winters ago, and as the admission is
only % cents there will certainly be a
good house to hear this famous lecturer.
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
Norfolk and Western Notes.

Captain Bowles, trainmaster at
Lynchburg, was in the city yesterday.
Vice. President Bullitt, of the Norfolk
and Western, returned yesterday from
New York, where he had been on bust
ness for the road.
Chief Engineer w. w. Coe and Cen
eral Superintendent A. c. Hippey left
last night for Halifax, Nova Scotia, to
be gone some time,
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
Moomaw-AnCle,

j. E. Moomaw, Of Stewartsville, Bed
ford county, and bride, nee Miss Mary
Angle, of Ferrum, Franklin county,
arrived in the city yesterday on the
early Roanoke and Southern train, and
remained until l O'Clock, when they left
for Bedford. They were married early
yesterday morning at the home of the
bride by Rev. Mr.. Doss, OF the Metho-
dist Church, of Forum.
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
THE SKETCH COMPLETED.
The Following Letter Will Explain Itself.


TREASURY DEPARTMENT,
OFFICE OF SUPERVISING ARCHITECT,
WASHINGTON, June %, 1893
Mr. N. Z. Fcard, Secretary Board CT
Trade, Roanoke, Va.
SIR:-In reply to your letter of the
10th inst, have to advise you that the
sketch plans for the L nited States build
ing at Roanoke, Va, have been COM
pleted, and are now in tho hands of the
computers for estimate. After the es til
mate has been completed and approved,
as required by law, the working draw.
lDgs Will be begun as soon as possible;
but it is not practicable at this time to
nix date when they will be so far ad-
vanced that work can be commenced on
the ground. Respectfully yours,
j. O'RoURKE,
SuOervisinr Architpct
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
IL TO !.
The X. a. q. Defeat Hampden-Sidney in
an Interesting Game of Ball.

The X. a. q. Defeat HampdenSidney in
AN Interesting Game of Ball.
The baseball game yesterday after
noon between the Hampden.Sidnoy and
Roanoke Athletic Club teams was wit
messed by about ESQ people and was won
by the Athletic Club by score of IL to
:. Boyd, who pitched for the home
team, had the Ham pden Sidney team
completely at his mercy, they making
only hits off him, while the Roanoke
Athletic Club boys got 9 off Burnett.
Burnett pitched good game, but his
support at times was very ragged.
Meade caught his first game for the
Roanoke Athletic Club team and made
a very favorable impressioD,by the man
ner in which he handled himself and also
by his throwing to bases.
The following is the score by innings:
K. A. C............... 21100 30x-1l . j
III. :. C.............. D , 0 y q B 10
Battcrics-R A. G., Boyd and Meade; II. :. c.,
Burnett and Bull.
There will another game this after
noon, and the Hampton. Sidney boys
will have in their crack battery, with
McKenna, of the Lynchburgs, in the
box, while Settles and Daniels will
ofiiciate for the Athletic Club. The
game will be called at 4:i5, and the
ladies will be admitted free.
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
Industrial Development. of the South

CHATTANOOGA, June 2?.-The quarterly
report of The Tradesman, compiled from
10000 returns from every town in the
south, show a continued development of
the textile industry, ~ new cotton and
wooden mills having been organized. The
returns show also 70 flour mills established
and A foundries and machine shops. Con
servative development is indicated all along
the line
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
Bids For Virginia Quarantine station.

WASHINGTON, June 29-Bids for con-
structing wharf and outbuildings at the
quarantine station, Fisherman's island,
near Cape Charles, Va, were opened at
the treasury department. j. Fl. Hatha-
way Il Co. of Philadelphia were the low
est bidders at S3,905. The bid of Sanford
" Brooks of Baltimore was also Sl3, 0!5,
but the time WAS longer
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
Mistaken For a Bear and Shot.

CHAsKA, Mimi, June e9.-John Wojo-
hon of Chaska, having made long jour
ney OIL foot, sat down in the road and fell
asleep, and II farmer coming along thought
he saw wolf or bear and ran home after
mis- gun and returned, accompanied by his
brothers. They fired and then discovered
their awful mistake. Wojohon only lived
long enough to tell his name and home.
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
In the Police Court.

In the police court yesterday William
Paris and Lizzie Galloway and Wash
Martin and Alice Edwards. who we're
arrested on warrant for mis-
demeanor, were dismissed, as there was
no evidence against them. Will Saun-
ders was fined $3.50 for raising dis
turbance with Lille Lewis, a colored
woman.
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30

INDrANPPoLls, j une 29-ticucral Harrison
has left for New York. He will remain
there for few days and then 90 To his cot
tage at Cape May, where ne will remain
during the heated term. He will return TO
indianapolis by Sept. in order to nc in at
tendance ut the Grand Army OF the Repub-
lie eucamDmcut
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
Catogni bros, BIueiield.

Attention is called TO the advertise
ment of Catogni Brothers restaurant at
Blueheld, w. Va. 1t is run under the
same manage ment as the one in Roa-
noke and visitors will find it up to their
high standard. Popular prices prevail.
Breakfast and supper 25 cents, dinner
35 cents
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
a Good Showing.

The First National Bank YESTERDAY
declared its usual semi-annual dividend,
which is per cent. to be paid July /.
This is considered very creditable
showing and shows the bank to be in a
good condition.
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30

The sermons next Sunday morning
and evening will be the last Rev. j. F.
Love will preach at the First Baptist
Church, he having accepted the call to
Suffolk. Candidates for baptism are
requested to meet the pastor and
dessons in lecture room at IL o'clock.
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
surry,s o'FerraIi Delegation

SURRy COURT House, June 20.-Dele.
gates to the State convention to NEE: at
Richmond August II were chosen here
yesterday as follows: M. q Holt, S. Is.
Barham, William b. Clarke, q. III Saw
age, R e Gill and John Ramey; T.. FL.
Smith, delegate-at-large. II is an
o'Ferrall delegation with perhaps one
nXcnntinn
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
Daniel-Trout.

Sam Daniel and Miss Rosa Trout
were married yesterday at , o. m. at
the resideI &c Of the bride, No. 244
Third avenue n. W. They left on the
evening train for Luray and other pl es
of interest. t~r,
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30

WAsHINGToN, June 29.-lt is the almost
universal opinion of members of Congress
now in this city (many of whom have con-
vcrsed with the presidenU that congress
will be called to meet in extra session on
the lirst Monday in September.
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30

BEGINNING with 1918 a. M, the
electric cars will leave the Terry build
ing to connect with Salem dummy at
Park street on regular schedule.
Roanoke Street Railway Co.
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
New york.s Monument at Gettysbur,

GETTYSBURG, Pa, June 29.-Thc bronze
figure of Victory was successfully hoisted
into position on the summit of the New
York state monument. Everything will
be in readiness for the big celebration and
dedication Sunday.
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
o,FerraIl's Cbairman named.

NORFOLK, Va, June ed. L. East,
a police Justice OF this city, has been
appointed by Colonel O'Ferrall as State
chairman of his gubernatorial can paign
organization. In referring to the out
look over the State, Colonel O'Ferrall,
in writing to Mr. East, says the pros
poets are for victory.
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1893-06-30
ROANOKE, VA, JUNE 80, 1893.
A DOSE OF OUR OWN MEpIo1NE.

"A DOSE OF ORR OWN MEDICINE.
The action of the India council in
suspending free coinage of silver has
resulted in a loss to the United States
already aggregating many millions OF
dollars and the final effect will be even
more disastrous. 1t is marked ex-
ample of the universally of commerce
and parallels Bismark's epigram that
the wars OF the future would be battles
OF tariffs. America has revived Il score
OF continental industries by her tariff
legislation, relentlessly and without
offering opportunity for retaliation.
Now we are having little of the same
medicine administered willy nilly.
The &C ton of the India council, while
it is a suspension of free silver coinage,
is not an entire suspension of silver
coinage. The constant decline Of bullion
led the administration to this step in
order that it might fix an absolute ratio
for tho redemption of the rupee. If the
council could be induced to declare it's
purpose to coin on it's own account so
many million ounces per annum, retain
ing the seignorage itself, there would
still be hope Of saving bimettalism.
Unless that is done, timettalism is
doomed 10 an indefinite and distant
future,
In fact the belief of many shrewd
judges OF finance is that the fearful
narrowing of the basis of credit, result
ing from discrediting half of the worlds
circulating medium, will produce in
few years revulsion that will result in
establishing not bimetalism but polv-
metalism, if such a word may be coined.
To put it more plainly, the establish.
ment OF paper credits on an enormous
range of property, bonds, stocks, or
actual products, all credits to be main
tanned, however, at fixed exchange
STANDARD with gold. Such currency
scheme would necessitate the retire
ment Of gold coin entirely and the sub
stitution OF bullion bars of such size and
denomination as would preclude their
use as a circulating medium, and con-
fine thom 10 COVE rnment treasures as
reserve fund to be used to maintain
confidence and settle international bal
ances.
In America alone are the masses in
clined TO scrutinize financial legisla.
ton. The greenback movement with
million and q half OF voters and the
Popu lists party with an equal number,
botn have the financial question as one
Of their mainstays. Any movement
(Which has for it's purpose the increase
in the value of the dollar in which ex-
listing debts are to be paid will rouse
the opposition of the debtor class who
are as ten to one. The splendid success
of the greenbnck, coupled with the fact
that the government has never tested
its note issuing power to it's full capacity,
offers line argument for aspiring
political parties to advance in case the
capitalists of the world conspire to in
crease the value of the dollar.
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Cincinnati, 6; New York, B. st. Louis,
a. Baltimore, 3. Chicago, ., Brooklyn, o.
Cleveland. $; Washington, q. Pittsburg,
5; Philadelphia, 10. Louisville, 10; Boston,
L.
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OLD papers for the next week at 10
cents per hundred.s
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Worlds Fair boom building but sodly constructed
the
illustrated catalogue
ALEXANDRIA HOTEL, Chicago, Ills.
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TnE TIMES lie delivered in Roanoke, Salem and
vinton every morning by carriers for % cents per
nnYnih
Asheville daily citizen. [volume] (Asheville, N.C.) 1890-1900, 1893-01-26
FROZEN FACTS.

-Watauga Democrat: Could the read
ers of the Democrat know the trouble,
this issue has been they evidently wouTG
appreciate it. The first pages were
printed almost without correcting, from
the fact that as quickly as the type was
wet it froze into a solid block.
Tie Greenville Reflector says that
Grifton, a place of /, 900 inhabitants, is
situated in two counties, Pitt and Le-
noir, three townships. two congress
sioual districts, two senatorial districts
and two judicial districts,
"A correspondent of the Wilmington
Messenger says that on Saturday last a
white deer was killed near Weldon-ths
first seen in that section within the mem
ory of the oldest inhabitant.
j. 6. Hall, esq of Hickory, has con
cluded to be an applicant for the coIlec
torship of internal revenue in the Wes
tern district
Asheville daily citizen. [volume] (Asheville, N.C.) 1890-1900, 1893-01-26
CRIMINAL COURT.
lJe Adams Acquitted Of One
lChar&e. but te yYaneed for Perjury.

lJe Adams Acquitted of One
Charge. bsat Ia wanted for Perjury.
In the Criminal court yesterday after
noon the jury in the case of State VS..
Jesse Adams, for shooting into a train
near Biltmore. brought in a verdict OF
not guilty. Adams was released, but
later a bench warrant for his arrest was
issued, he being charged this time with
p:Tjury.
State VS.. w. III. Gaines. and Aaron
Washing on, false pretence; not guilty.
| the solicitor could send new bill, cor
| rectius techuicality by which a verdict
of rot guilty was found.
State VS.. Addie Smith. larceny; not
guilty.
county chain gang.
letter c. Pritchard became security for
the fine OF $50 imposed on Geo. Rey-
nolds for an assault.
Solicitor Eug. d. Carter became sud
denly ill yesterday and went to his home.
This morning he was still too unwell to
attend to his court business. Thos. A.
Jones is acting solicitor in Mr. Carter S
| absence.
| This morning the case of State VS.. c.
w. Goodlake for the shooting of Patrol
mau holland came up. The defense was
represented bv III. A Gudger. and D. M.
| Luther represented the State. Judge
Carter fined Goodlake $1OO and costs.
| State VS.. G. S. Ross. assault; defendant
called and failed to appear; judgment
| nisi.
State VS.. Tom Moore. larceny; on trial
The grand jury has returned true bills
against T. F. Hunter, A. 6. West, Thos
Orr, Jas. Ballew, ]. S. Bradley, Pinl
Earwood and George Crook, for killing
fish with dynamite.
| A true bin has also been sent in against
Albert G. Glover. for embezzlement. Th'
case stands for trial Saturday.
M. N. Brown, juror. had an attacl
of gastric vertigo about 2:3O this after
noon while in the jury box. He becam
unconsciouss and in this state was re
moved to the jury room and DIR. Chas
E. Hilliard called. Medicine was ad
ministered and in half an hour Mr.
Brown was very much better, although
unable for jury duty for the remaiude
of the afternoon. Mr.. Brown is subjec
| TO attacks of this character.
Asheville daily citizen. [volume] (Asheville, N.C.) 1890-1900, 1893-01-26
THEIR FIRST LOVE.
B1adlsoa People want to Get Back
Into EBuuGOmbe.

RALEIGH. N. c., Jan. 23.-[Special. J.
Since the excitement of the inaugural
ceremonies of Gov. Carr, and the Road
Congress the Assembly has gotten down
to work in earnest. About 500 bills
have been introduced in the two branches
Of the Legislature, but at least one half
of them have already found their way to
the tables.
Bills have been introduced in both
houses to fix the legal rate of interest at
cradle opposition. A bill has been intro
duced in the house to allow Buncombe
county to elect by the popular vote the
county tax collector same as other
other county Offices. This seems to
meet with more general approval.
bill was introduced in the house to-
day to change the Buncombe county
line to include in this county that por-
tion of M Madison county known as Little
Sandy Mush section, and which origin
ally belonged to Buncombe. The people
residing in that section are anxious to be
put back to the county of their first love.
There seems to be no objection to this
move, since it does not materially affect
the political complexion Of either county.
nor affect the financial interest of the
State.
In the Senate Wednesday bill was
introduced to establish a State reform
| atory and one to incorporate the Dur
ham and Charlotte railway.
resolution w as introduced by Third
party man instructing Senator's and
Representatives to secure, if possible. the
repeal OF the Sherman silver act.
The Senate devoted many hours to
hearing the evidence in the contested
election case from the Eighteenth Dis
| trict, with a majority report in favor OF
Leach (Democrat) the minority favorine
Henderson, and Leach was seated by n
vote Of 20 to 19.
The House passed the bill to make two
degrees in murder.
The act giving magistrates jurisdiction
| in cases of carrying concealed weapons
was tabled in The House.
The House will pass bill restoring to
the railways the right to issue passes.
The bill to amend the act relative tc
fees of registers of deeds failed to pass
| the House.
Asheville daily citizen. [volume] (Asheville, N.C.) 1890-1900, 1893-01-26
Right You Are. N1r. Dana

Prom the New York Sun.
At Fremont on Friday, during the fun
eral, Mr.. Cleveland was reported as say
ing to bystander: "When the news of
Gen. Hayes's death reached me was al
most overcome. l said to my wife that
if Gen. Hayes were in my place and in
his, he would certainly come to me, and
l told my wife that ! should take the
trip. He was a man for whom 1
had the hi hest regard"
These words seem to bear out the idea
of an attachment between the two men
independent of political Or official cir
cumstances The sentiments of personal
grief attributed to Mr.. Cleveland are too
strongly expressed to be explained salts
factorialy on other grounds. Such a
motive for his recent journeyis not prop
erly a subject for criticism or discussion