New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1893-07-15
STIRRED BY COUNT HERBERT.
SENSATIONIN THE REICHSTAG.
THE EX-CHANCELLOR'S son FEARS SOCIAL,
Isl INFLUENCE IN TIE ARMY

| NON CAPRlNl'S REPLY INTERRUPTED BY
COUNT HERBERT. WHO AFTER
WARD APOLOGIES HERR
BEBEL's ASSERTION
BILL PASSES SECOND
READING
Berlin. July II Tho Army bill passed its second
reading in the R"chstag to-day. All the articles
Of the hill will pass their third reading tomorrow.
In tho dchatc on article ! of section of the
hill. which was started by Herr Grocbcr a Nom
! hor Of the Centre party. Count Herbert Bismarck
made a speech that aroused general interest
/ This section relates 10 the formation Of the
infantry. cavalry and artillery. When Count
Herbert arose a movement dcnoting interest was
visible throughout the Ildusc. lie declared that
he WAS satisfied with the bill, though he was OPP
posed 10 the two years service system because
H." Socialists. through The short term OF service
might corrupt the army. His fears were mainly
for tho young mon from the towns most OF whom
were Socialists. There would not be- time in
two years 10 cNpel the Socialist poison from these
recruits.
At this point the speaker was interrupted by
Cries Of Question"
Continuing. Count Herbert sail that the third
wear of service would act as rcformatory
school
This remark caused great uproar which for
time Herr Won Lcvctzow, the president was
unable to qucll. When order had been sufficiently
restored to allow of his voice being heard, Herr
Won KardoIh. member of the Rcchspartei,
arose and appealed TO the House to sustain the
Chair against such a scandalous violation of the
rights of debate
Silence was finally obtained. and Count Herbert
proceeded with his speech. He explained that
/ bo for ha lo IN aI
not fixed two years the permanent term Of
/ service He added that Chancellor Won Caprivi's
original bill was a hotter than the lIucne
| compromise measure now before the House. This
statement drew forth cheers from the Conscrva-
/ tivcs
Chancellor Caprivi, who followed Count
| Herbert. said that n" sorry 10 see that the
latter had based his argument on wrong premises.
| The infantry had not performed three years ser
vico for long time, and therefore the change
proposed by the present measure wos not great.
! The two years system could be carried through
without the dangers ,'ount Herbert feared.
Count Herbert frequently interrupted the
Chancellor. WHO at last appealed to Herr Won
! I"vctzow The latter called Count Herbert IN
order. The Chancellor then proceeded He said
he doubted that a man poisoned with Socialism
| would reform in the third year Of service. The
preacnt custom retained only the worst soldiers
| for over two years Did Count Herbert, lie asked.
mean 10 retain only the Socialists for the third
year,
Herr Bobol one Of the leaders Of the Social Demo
Gratis said that in listening T. Count Herbert the
/ House had heard the father speaking through hi,
| son. The great father h1l been unabl" 10 Kill
Social Democracy. and stlll less was The son able
10 kill il. Socialism. Herr Babel declared wIS
living and growing force that Governments would
I IL Il. e In
regard to Socialism pcrmeating the army through
the two years service system. he could tell the
Government that the p rmcation had already bccn
effected From the ranks upward. Socialism had
ifs adhoronts. He could give an instance of Il
South German infantry regiment in which most
Of the men and all the suh-OlccIs were Socialists.
He could also mention a North German pioneer
regiment. which had assisted the Social Demo
crats 10 procure mocring-pace when all t',c
civilians in tho ncghhorhooG had boycottcd them
In tones of triumph, Herr BcbcI exclaimed We
exist You will not he able TO get rid Of rs cN-
ccp, bv killing us Herr Bbcl's remarks caused
Il declined sensation.
Later in the discussion Of Article ., Count Her
bert planted himself before the chair occupied by
Count Won Carxiv and -aid he desired 70 correct
statement made by the Chancellor in re"rcnc"
10 Article of the bill. by quoting from the re-
port of the committee Of the last Rcchstag.
This gave rise TO another uproar, and while the
House was in confusion Herr Won lIey"tzow re-
minded Count Herbert that the artrl" on winch
he wished to comment had been passed by III"
House.
Yes" Count Herbert rctortcd, but you gave
have TO speak.
But not for rcopening the debate, said Herr
Won Lryctz0w.
Count Herbert then returned 10 ms seat, ann
a Storm of hoWls from the Social Demo rats and
Pichtcret members Toward the close of the dis
cu.s;on Count Herbert apoloGizcd to Chancellor
Won Caprivi for irritating him by interruptions.
apology. ,.
4 vote was taken to-day on the amendment
CarolatL Srhocnaich. providing that the two years
service system he fixed legally. The amendment
cyas defeated by the vote Of pa 10 100.