New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1893-12-14
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in 1t: This Paul Neumann called on me In
Washington and informed me that he repre-
sented the deposed Queen. He had a two-hours'
interview with me- He never intimated to me
in that interview that there was any complaint
or cause Of complaint against the American
Minister against the naval forces OF the
United States. He simply made an appeal to
me that would pay the Queen sum Of
money for the Queens lands which we had
taken from her. and then have an annuity paid
to her. I never learned, when Paul Neumann
here. that he sought anything as the
Queens agent except money compensation for
the wrong to which she had been subjected"
Mr.. Hawey Rep Conn )-Perhaps other Sem
ators have had similar experience. Neumann
brought to me letters Of introduction from some
Army friends, and represented the same things.
I understood that his chief object was to gain
allowance for the Queen.
MR. VEST IN REPLY
When Mr. Frye took his seat Mr. Vest Oem.
MOI rose and addressed the Senate He would
not, he said. have detained the Senate for mo-
ment but for the fact that he on the eve
of leaving the city, and desired to avoid any
appearance of evading any responsibility In re-
gard to the Hawaiian question 1t was hardly
necessary for him to say that he did not speak
as the advocate or special defender of the Ad-
ministraton. He spoke as an American Senator,
and an American citizen in relation to ques-
tions involving the honor and welfare OF the
common country. 1t greatly to be regretted
that partisan malevolence should show itself
distinctly in debate on those great questions.
With protcstations that they desired no personal
aspect to be given to their arguments, and with
the statement that in their judgment the real
issues should not be discussed until the evidence
before the Senate. the Senator'S from Massa-
chusetts and Maine (Messrs. Hoar and Frye
had taken occasion to assail everybody who
differed with them on the Hawaiian question.
They had undertaken to put before the Amer
lean people their side of those issues in order to
take possession of public opinion In the United
States. He (Air VesD did not propose, by 81
lence to be put in the attitude Of acqu!escing
in any OF the statements made by those Sena-
tors. With his great personal respect for the
Senator from Maine. he was compelled to say
that when it came to political party ques-
ton he would just as little trust that Senator
as he would trust hungry wolf when the bleat
Of farmers lamb heard in his immediate
vicinity Haughter.) With all that Senator's
generous impulses. 1t was impossible for him to
be anything else except an intense Ncw-England
Republican.
Mr.. Frye expressed himself greatly obliged
for the compliment
saying anything disrespectfu TO Mr. Frye the
truth Of argument and logic required that
his propositions. as seen by others. should be
presented correctly before the country. He went
on to idcule the pretensons set up by Mr..
Stevens as to the Christian character Of those
who had overthrown the Government OF the
Queen in the Hawaiian Islands, and said that
they had "ChristianZed the natives out OF their
country" They had taken possession OF the
divided the lands among themselves under laws
made by themselves. Gaughter) Mr.. Stevens
might be all that he pretended to bean honest.
C;odlike Christian. Mr.. Vest did not question
that and did not anything about 1t. He
proposed to treat him as he would any other wit
ness He did know Mr.. Blount His most In
innate knowledge of that gentleman for twenty
years authorized him to state. in the most public
and emphatic manner. that a purer man. pub
licy and privately, had never appeared In the
arena of American politics AS 10 Mr.. Stevens's
reference to Mr. Blount as neophyte In dplo-
macy. Mr.. Vest in 1t only the godke ar
rogance which have always heard from that
quarter Of the country"
glLLINGsGATE HURLED At STEVENS.
He again characterized Mr.. Stevens as a foul.
mouthed scurrilous witness and he asked who
in the Hawaiian Islands that was opposed to an.
nexation had escaped Mr.. Stevens's biilingsgate.
He (AIr Stevens) had taken up every man in the
islands from the highest to the lowest rank in
life and had disposed of them seriatim by per-
sonal charges, some of them criminal and others
so vulgar as to prohibit him CMr. Veso from
critcisng them further in the presence Of the
Senate.
Coming to the question Of taking down the flag,
Mr. Vest said that he would like Senators on the
other side to tell him why the American flag had
been hoised there Was 1t to defend American
sovereignty on the Hawaiian Islands. or was 1t
10 protect American property? Was there he
asked, any for the flag there after there was
according 10 Mr.. Stevens) perfect order on the
islands, and when the de facto Government was
supported by the entire people? Why keep the
flag there uselessly as threat to any portion OF
the people? part OF Mr.. Stevenss address had
not, Mr.. Vest said. been read by Mr.. Frye. There
was one appeal always omnipotent with certain
people in the United States. and that was the
late war The cry. You are rebels; you tried to
tear down the Government" was. Mr.. Vest said.
the ultimate ratio of everything with such
peope; and Mr. Stevens understood that. Here,
said Mr.. Vest is what this God-fearing, chart-
table. sentimental old loglcian of Maine says
quoting sentence in which Mr. Stevens says
that he had never raised his rifle. against the
United States Government. What had that TO
do Mr. Vest asked with the Hawaiian question?
What had Mr.. Stevens meant by IL, except 10 ar
ray the prejudices of the American people (so-
called against Mr. Blount because he had been
Confederate soldier?
Mr.. Frye hoped that Mr. Vest did not sup
pose he had omitted to read that portion OF Mr.
Stevenss address for any special purpose.
Mr. Vest-No. The Senator from Maine IS
as frank and open an adversary as ! ever met
No doubt he has the same opinion OF me. polit.
ically. as / have Of him. Neltner or us strikes
below the belt Q-aughter)
PROPOSED IMPEACHMENT OF THE PRESIDENT
SIr. Vest went on to speak OF the threat OF
rpeaching the President. The crime committed
by the President dn the minds OF his OPP
ponents) that he did not favor annexation Of
the Hawaiian Islands to the United States. II
that constituted a crime, he (Mr VesD was q
criminal and in his judgment large majority
of the American people were criminals One
of Mr. Stevens's complaints was that the Gov.
ernment of the United States had failed TO
seize the islands maritime prize Tne
Senator from Maine objected to the word
.piracy." and it appeared to him CMr. VesD that
was very much like piracy.
THE plain issue before u.s." Mr.. Vest con-
timed lis whether we are to break down the
traditional policy OF this country established
by Washington and carried out by Jenerson'
Madison Jackson, buchanan and now by Ceve-
land Or are we to part from that policy ana
venture on the great colonial system OF the
continental Powers of Europe? want TO make
his a distinct issue so far as am able, and
so that the American people shall understand II.