The morning news. [volume] (Savannah, Ga.) 1887-1900, 1893-10-20
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HILL AGAIN REPEATS HIS QUESTION.
Mr.. Hill propounded to Mr. Butler the
question he had asked Mr.. Dubois-tC
point out how a vote could be reached OF
a bill.
Mr.. Butler replied that when the ma
ioritv found itself in that position with q
strong, determined, sincere anxiety L
pass "a bin. it would make some cOuces
sion in order TO get it through, and if that
is not done the bill ought not to pass.
''Theu. if I understand it, said Mr.
Hill. lit is not the majority that passes q
bill in this body. and the bills passed dc
not reflect the sentiment of the majority
but of the minority
"Oh. no. " dissented Mr.. Butler.
THE plain doctrine announced by the
senator from South Carolina IS that the
majority cannot pass a bill. because it
must always compromise with the MI
nority. ] do not believe that.
Mr.. Butler denied that that was his po-
sitiOu and said that the senator from
New York had begged the question.
81 understand" said Mr.. Hill, the
senator from South Carolina to say that
if a majority refuse TO compromise with a
minority the bill ought not to pass.
Mr.. Butler-And l repeat it.
Mr.. Hill-And there | take issue with
the senator.
POWER OF THE MINORITY.
Mr.. Butler-I state that the minority
is clothed by the constitution, and the
rule made in pursuance of it, with power
TO prevent the passage of obnoxious meas
ures, and when the majority has eX-
pressed itself in a constitutional way, in
accordance with the rules, then l submit
it has the power and right to pass meas
1lrps and not till then.
Mr. Palmer-Does the senator believe
the majority has right to vote for a
measured
MIR. Butler-That depends upon how
the majority behaves itself. Laughter
Mr. Palmer-But they cannot vote IN
less they accede to the plan of the
minority.
Mr. Butler-Yes they can vote.
Mr. Palmer-When can | as one of the
senators from Illinois be allowed to vote?
Mr. Butler-When debate is exhausted.
Mr. Palmer-Then | understand this
10 be the Interpretation of the senator
from South Carolina that until the minor
ity consents the majority cannot vote. The
minority has the right in good faith to
exercise the fullest debate, but l deny that
it has the right to debate for the purpose
of eXhausting time.
Mr.. Butler-Nobody has done that.
Mr. Palmer-It has been claimed by
several that the minority had the right
TO adopt obstructive methods. Several
senator's uttered an emphatic mo-
Mr.. Butler-Who is to determine
whether l am obstructing now or not}
Mr.. Palmer-First, the senator himself,
and secondly, the majority o f the Senate.
Applause in the galleries.
THE SPECTATORS WARNED.
Mr.. Harris, rising to question of or
der, said it was a gross violation of the
rules for occupants of the galleries to
give expression of approval or disapproval.
The Vice President-Does the senator
move to have the galleries cleared
Mr.. Stewart would.
Mr.. Harris-I will if the offense is re-
peated
The Vice President admonished the
galleries to observe the rule, announcing
that upon a repetition of the offense he
would order the galleries cleared.
When order was restored, Mr.. Butler
said: II am perfectly well aware that
under the rules of this body, which the
senator from New York and the senator
from Texas are ready to trample upon
cast aside and discard, and convert the
Senate into a town meeting. no applause
shall be allowed in the galleries, and if
have been the means-nObody applauds
me-but if the friends of the senator
from New York are gathered here for the
purpose of expressing their appreciation
of his methods, he should be very glad
Mr. President, to invite the senator out
upon some street corner, where he and
can have it out for the benefit of the
Masses
Mr.. Manderson-Ir rise to a point of or
der. / ask the enforcement of the rule
that a senator, when called to order, shall
take his seat.
MANDERs ON CALLS BUTLER TO ORDER.
Mr.. Butler-Does the senator call me
10 order2
MIR. Manderson-I do.
The Vice President directed Mr. But
Ter to take his seat The language for
which Mr. Butler was called to order
was then read by the official reporter
Mr.. Henderson, realizing that the de-
bate for the last few days had been
characterized by degree of personality
unbecomlng the senators who have in
dulged in it and not beftitng;the chamber
thought all that was necessary was that
in cool moments the senator from South
Carolina should hear the repetition of
the words he had used
On motion of Mr. Harris, Mr.. Butler
was allowed to proceed in order, and said
he had used the language in a playful
sense.
III d IlCkWlCKldn sense" SAID Mr.
Hill.
yes, that is a better expression"
Mr. Butler said nothing was further
from his intention than to say anything
unkind. He had not invited the senator
TO meet him on a street corner and fight,
but for the purpose of a little legitimate
stump speaking.
HILL AND THE RULES.
Mr.. Butler then asked Mr.. Hill
whether he would be bound by the rules
In the proposition to amend the rules
After Mr. Hill had said in a most sig
nihcant way that the senator from
South Carolina need not be impatient
about the method to be pursued to bring
about change of the rules" he con
tinued: 81 insist upon it that any restric-
ton in the rules, whereby the majority
are deprived of the power of making an
amendment to the rules is not binding
upon the Senate"
THE position is this, them said Mr.
Butler, that the rules are binding upon
the minority and do not bind the major
ity"
That IS not the position" replied Mr..
Hill I'VE cannot tie ourselves up so
that the majority has not the right to
amend the rules
Mr.. Butler-If the senator will pardon
me, we have tied ourselves up by a code
OF rules TO which the senator subscribed
when ne took the oath Now, | under
stand that senator to say he is not bound
by the code OF rules except so far as meets