New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1893-05-12
HYHONE ERULERSAkESILENT
GLADSTONE REPLIES TO CHAMBERLAIN.
THEY WILL NOT BE DRIVEN INTO OBSTRUCTIVE
DEBATES TO FURTHER TIE oPPosITONS
ENDs-LIBERALS AND AMENDMENTS
LORD RANDOLPH RAISES


London MAY 11.-In the House OF Commons to-day.
In Committee on the Home Ruc bill. Joseph Chamber
ain leader OF the Liberal Inionsts. upon
the scarcity of amendment, proposed by supporters NJ
tie Government. lie supposed they recognized the
fact that the bill only sham one. and there
fore proposed amendments only 10 raise II laugh
lie himself anxious TO know what the in
tentionS of the Government concerning Ulster. Was
there any plan that Ulster should be excluded from the
operation Of the bill He believed that such exclusion
ought to be provided for and he should regard Ulster
men a. doing wrong If they should reject any ar
Ianccmcnt to except them from Home Rule. accord
ing the bill. They would be all the better able
defend the rights Of the minority in the rest Of Ire
land II they should have Government OF their
own than If they should be- merely part OF the
minority in the Dublin Parliament. In conclusion. Mr.
Chamberlain reverted the subject of the ab>icniion
Of the Liberals from offering amendments and asked
why the Irish members had suddenly becom' dumb.
As Mr. Chamberlain closed. Lord Randolph Church.
III SpranG up and cAcitodlv charged Timothy lleay
with rcmarling that Mr.. Chamberlain seemed 10 Be
under the weather. Mr. lIcaly at once protested that
he had said nothing a all. several Irish members
llaincd simultaneously that when Mr.. Chamberlain
said the NaonalstS wcrr dumb. somebody had
responded You are never dumb: II would be better
II you wcre.s This explanation provoked scene Of
confusion. which ended by the ChairmanS call
for order.
lans insinuations that the supporters OF III" COY
crnmcnt had closed their to argument. The
Government he said. had already given IN" fullest
explanation OF The bill. and wished fair ana open
discussion. rhey would not bc driven. however.
into obstructive and useless debates. When such
debates were forced by the OPPOSITION the Govern
mcnt would be silent. The members OF the majority
wonld speak rs their own Judgment dictated. ana
moi with view TO furthcrng the devices Of the OPP
position. (Cheers) In rctninnG that liberty "f
choice they would best perform their Guty to their
country. prolonged clccrs)
William Redmond Parncl,e. moved rs an amend
ment 10 the bill that the two branches Of The Irish
legislature should be designated the senate and the
House Of Commons.
TIE Irish Chief Secretary. Mr.. Morley. opposed the
motion.
T. W. Russell. tnionist, remarked that after The
biz had passed the Irish oculd call their Legislature
Parliament ail thing else.
J. g. LAWSON Conservative Member for Thrsk,
created roals nj laughter by pronouncng the Cooc
word for "Commons." and suggesting its adoption rs
tbe DESIGNATION of the Iish Lower Hose.
George Bartlett. Conservative. member for North
IslinCton moved tie omission Of the first clansc Of
tie bill
Timothy IIealy, anti Parnelltc. member for North
Iouth INQUIRED whether II was In order 10 discuss
tho rejection Of tn whole bill n motion thus con
cernns only one clause The chairman ruled mat
the motion was In order
Mr. Baltour leader Of the Unionsts. moved that
the chairman report progress. tssi"r memo'Ts' h'
said. had opportunity 10 speak
Mr. Morley Chief secretary for Ireland. resisted
mis- motion and moved closure: tn" c.airnan Y
norcd Mr Morlcys motion anH 2 p"t of 6a 10 20
Cbccre and laughter followed the announcement Of
tie result Of tho division.