The Helena independent. [volume] (Helena, Mont.) 1875-1943, 1893-10-17
SUCH TALK HEARD OFTEN
Vest Not at All Alarmed Over
Threats 10 Change the Sem
ate Rules.
Hill, In Affected Disgust, Says the
Senate Might as Well
Disband.
Palmer stMrts IL 10 Name . Senator who
Tailed 10 KIN Time snd 10 Soon
Halted.

WAsH1Narox. Oct. 16.-Lodss's proposed
amsndmsnts 10 the senate rules. providing
for closure and to prev mt ths reading OF
speeches, csms mp for debate. Stewart. OF
Nevada. tbouRht the recent debate will 60
down in history ~ shs moss importsnt and
inst uctive over conducted In any pavlia-
msntsry body. Vast. referring TO the re-.
ply TO Hayne, Of Daniel Webster. and
Lodges rule against reading speeches, said
he believed, from tho best authority OBJ
tainabls at this time. that Webster did not
give that speech TO the public ~ II now
stood IN literature for more than month
after II was dslive Cd. There were NO
stenographsrs then In the senate Lodge
thought tbs speech vas taken down some
what In shorthand. or what passed for
shorthand. by Mr.. Gale, and after revision
bv Webster. was Published. Vest said bis
experience taught him to believe . wilton
spseoh was more effective than an o'al ono.
In regard 10 the closure rule. Vest said II
the resistance Of the minority had NO other
defense In American history. the defeat of
the force bill would sonsesrsts II 10 great
Vest thanked heaven that a minority.
U0U0I tQ0 I0le0 Oh VIC U0u6bos WOtO AOAo "
defeat that infamous legislation.
In conclusion. Vest said he was satisfied
that unconditional repeal oanpot be had In
the senate. Hill asked why. II = majority
favored the repeal bill. II could not pass
the senate. Vest replied that II the ssna.
tor had road the rules and witnessed the
proceedings under them hs oaRht TO BE-
able to answer the question satisfn etoriIy
to himself. Hill replied that II the rules Of
the senate prevent the passage of . bill
which the majority deaires to pass. the best
thing TO do 10 10 amend the rules In a
prorsr manner.
Vest rstorted that he had heard that
during the discussion of the force bill. but
the rules were not changed. Hill said lie
repudiHtsd the doctrine that one-hfth of
the senate could absolutely rxevsas lsgtsla-
tion. Power 10 make Esles implied power
to change them.
Has Il come to this" asked Hill in clos
leaialate, and. second. to change Its rules 10
il can leaislnte hereafter? If so. it might
AZ we'll disband."
The rspeal bill was then laid before the
senate and JONES' of Nevada. took the foor
and y, ooeeded with his speech. At 3:45 he
was not feeling we'll enough to finish TO-
day. PETER then took tho foo.
Palmer, Of linois. got into parliament
tary squsbble with Kyle and Allen. Palmer
was compIaininR of speeches made to con-
sumo time. and KYLE asked him TO specify
ono pesob. Paine re lied:
| II viii answe by sh.ing that I believe
{, senator from Nsbreska-" This was az
far a. he got. Hs Allen called him to order.
After some colloQuy Cullom suQgested that
tho matter be dropped. Teller, objected.
| saving he vaS tired Of the incessant ortiz.
oisms in tho press and from other quarters
that the opponents Of repeal we're wasting
time, and eharacterizinR their foroe as rev.
olutionary. Ths next time such a suR2es-
| tion was made to him he should call the
author to book. Cullom's SUGGESTION was
then adopted and PETER ssumed his speech.
| Al six O'Clock Puah observed that the
senate had heen i'll session seven hon aud
PETER yielded for motion to adjourn.
Voorhees, expressed the hop III i tue mo-
tion would be voted down, snying he would
| aak the senate to remain in session until
10. BY II vote of tnirty-nine TO eighteen
tho senate refused to adjourn.
Within tho next thirev minutes the at
tention of the chair was called three timss
10 the fact tat quorum was not in the
ohambe but on each roll chll quorum
responded. 1t was moved. on the last oall
that Dolt and KYLE. who were p esent and
not voting. should be recorded for the pur-
order WAS ov rrulej.
| On the call at 6:4O the senate was without
quo um, but a moment later two senn-
tors appeared and Voorhees, requested that
further rocsedinRs under the cnll be dis
pensed with. Dubois called for tho ayes
! and nays. On this roll call. when the pairs
| had to be esL ected, no quo um voted. bat
during a call of the senate to disclose the
presence Of quo um when raira did not
connt. the quorum always appeared.
| Thus 70 two hours tho senate was
o'ogRsd. When Voorhees, found the rre.
dionment he was .laced in no attempted to
withdraw his motion. upon which Dubois
called for the ayes and nays. but this re-
quired unanimous consent and this Teller
efused to give.
Finally, AZ $40. a voting quorum was OBJ
tanned and Peff"r continued his speech.
At 10 O'Clock PETER. without concluding his
sreseh, yielded to Voorhees, who asked the
senate to adjourn. The motion waa
| agreed TO-