The record-union., 1893-11-13

hours talk with the President on the
/ subject. As a result he learned that
| Cleveland approved thoroughly and
wholly Gresham's letter and all in it.
/ Pratt has lived much in the islands, and
does not agree at all with Gresham's ideas
or belief as to the facts of the case. He
stated TO the President that Gresham's $
letter read to him like the special plea of
an advocate for his case. His statement
! that the deposition of the Queen was ac-
complished by aliens was sufficient to
discredit the whole letter, to his mind, for
! he had personal knowledge that most of
! the leaders of the revolution were
| Hawaiian born, and the parents OF many
of them were Hawaiian born though of
! foreign parents.
He urged also that the best natives ap
| proved the present Government, and that
only The disorderly element among them
desired its overthrow: and he stated to
| the President his belief that in order to
re-establish Queen Lilliuokalani it would
be necessary to disarm every white man
on the islands. He did not believe the
| Queen could be maintained on the throne
a day without the influence OF a:i!ed
! forces or the authority of the / aIted
States. The present Government, he
argued, was in possession of all the arms
and powers of authority, had its forces
well organized and disciplined, and was
able to maintain itself against internal
disturbances. He then questioned the
accuracy of the statement that Minister
Stevens and Captain Wiltse had been IN
strumental in serving the revolutionists.
and that the success OF the revolution had
been dependent upon the aid they had
rendered. They did no more, he asserted,
than was authorized by the instructions of
Secretary Bayard to Minister Merrill in
July, 1887, for his guidance in similar
| period Of disorder
At this point the President asked Pratt
whether he thought he had as good OPP
portunities for acquiring information on
the subject as the President had, after
careful investigation and study of the
subject for eight months.
Pratt rejOined that he thought he had,
since he had been in intimate relations
by correspondence and otherwise with
! the islands for over thirty years.
The President closed the interview by
saving that he had absolute faith in the
accuracy of ali the conclusions drawn by
Gresham, and that Stevens and Captain
Wiltse had committed an act of usurpa-
ton and done wrong to helpless power
which it was the duty of the U nited States
Government to undo.
Pratt consented to relate the substance
of his interview with President Cleve-
land for publication by the Associated
| Press.
THE QUEENS EX-sECRETARY JUBILANT.
DENVER Coli, Nov. IF. NJ. Eng
lish, ex-Secretary of Queen Liliuokalani,
who, since she was disposed, has been
living in Denver, is jubilant over the po-
sition of Secretary Gresham. MIR. Eng
/ iish says the facts set forth in Secretary
Gresham's letter are absolutely correct.
AS for war and bloodshed, he laughs at
| the idea.
THURsToN EN- ROUTE To HONOLULU.
! WASHINGTON, Nov. FL. A. Thurs
ton, the Hawaiian Minister, has not ar
rived at Washington. He is believed to
be speeding across the country to take the
next steamer for Honolulu.
ACTED WITH ASTONISHING sELF-CoN-
| TROL.
LONDON, Nov. 12.-The Daily NeaCs
editorially says: The American Govern
ment and people have acted in the
Hawaiian matter with astonishing self
control. Hawaii was theirs if the card
stretched it's hands for it. They wanted
Hawaii. and were aware that other powers
coveted it. yet President Cleveland re-
| fused to take it. Such is the strength of
national tradition against a policy of
colonizing. President Harrison thought
he might annex it, and did his best to
pledge his successor to do so, but Presi-
dent Cleveland refused the bait. The de-
posed Queen has not protested in vain.