St. Paul daily globe., 1893-04-23
NO ORDINANCE READY
And the Street Railway Prob
lem Seems No Nearer
Solution.
Several of the Aldermen and
Mr.. Lowry Unable to
Agree.
Transfers and the Boulevard
the Points Where Lies the
Difference.
Mr.. Lowry Will Meet the Com
mittee Again Mon
day.

afternoon. Ald.Copeland, as chairman,
called the meeting to order and inquired
of the corporation attorney If there had
been an ordinance prepared. Mr.. Phil
lips explained that, the newspapers to
the contrary, there had been no measure
prepared. 1t had been announced, he
said, that both he ana Mr.. Mum had
been at work for the past two weeks
fixing uD an ordinance. This was not
the case, but he wds prepared to say
what the street railway people wanted,
and after that if the committee desired
he would draw up the ordinance. The
company, He said. wanted the transfer
clause to stand the way it was in the
Lightner ordinance, which provided
that no transfers should be issued to
passengers which would practically
return the passenger to or near the point
from which he started" They also
wanted the time for completing the
Stryker and Maria avenue lines eX-
tended to some later date than July
l, 1898. The section in the ordinance.
recently reported by the board of alder
men relating to the line to the harvester
works would have to be stricken out of
any ordinance which the company would
accept. The other objection to the Ordi-
nance which had been printed was the
clause in the boulevard section reQuir-.
ing the company to stop It's cars at any,
street which the council might desig-
nate. These were the principal Objec-
tionS made to the ordinance which the
board of aldermen had prepared, and
Mr. Phillips suggested that if the COM
mittee would pass on these points it
would be very easy matter to make
the necessary changes.
Aid. Montgomery thought if there was
no chance to agree to the transfer
change the company desired, and ma
iOrity of The aldermen were not in favor
of making the change, there was no use
in wasting time in discussing the mat
ter. Aid. Warren said there was large
number of property owners, residents
and laboring men employed
In the Como District
who had petitioned the council to take
some steps by which some kind of
street car facilities could be secured for
that section OF the city. Mr.. Mcdonald,
d llOlli
plOyes of the Northern Pacific shops at
Como. addressed the committee. There
was great need of line. he said, to
point some where near the shops. As it
was now, the men at work in the shops
were obliged to walk mile or two after
their work was done to get car. Owing
to this and the needs of persons residing
in the district, a line should be built
The men had the privilege to ride 10
and from the shops on work train, but
it had been intimated that the company
would soon take this train off. The
company had suggested that they were
willing to sell the men lots in the
neighborhood of the shops on easy
terms, This proposition could not
be accepted, Mr.. Mcdonald said, owing
to there being no way of reaching
the city. All parts of the city, he said,
had street car service except the Con-
cord district. 1t had been talked in the
council thatsthe Como Park was intend
ed for the labOring men, but there was
no way to reach it except by walking
mile and a half from the terminus of
the street car line. He was certain the
park would be well patrOniZed by the
labOrIng men if there was some way to
reach it. Last summer Oh Sundays he
had seen great crowds of people waiting
at the terminus of the East Seventh
street cable for transportation to the
pleasure resorts at White Bear. Aid.
Copeland suggested the crowd might
have been attending the resort kept by
Cooper at that point. Mr.. Mcdonald re-
piled that he considered the remark of
the alderman from the First ward an in
suit to the wOrkingmen whom he repre-
sented. Aid. Copeland. evidently see
ing that he had made mistake in his
remarks, explained that he meant moth
ing personal and tried TO
Pass 1t OF as a Joke.
In reply to question of Aid. Cope
land as to whether the Como shop peo-
pie were anxious TO sacrifice the present
transfer system in order to get a line to
Como, Mr.. Mcdonald said they had not
considered that point. What they did
need was a street car service within a
reasonable distance Of the shops and the
Park. Aid. Franklin said it would be
folly for the council to pass an ordi-
nance ordering a new line to Como
when it was proved the building of the
line would be paying investment for
the street railway company. Aid. War
rem took exceptions to this, and said 1t
would, in his opinion, be very wise
thing to do. 1t was for the best inter-
estS Of the city tc have line to the
Park, and, as the company would not
build it unless ordered, the proper thing
to do was to pass the order. Judge
Caldwell, who had dropped into the
talk, in which he objected to the city
council buying Mr.. Lowry every
time a new street car line was
ordered. One after another, he said,
the city bad given the street car com
pany the rights which should have been
allowed to remain in the hands of the
citizens. Now Mr.. Lowry wanted the
transfer system onthe interurban given
him. As an interested party, Mr.. Cald-
well desired to protest. He had a son
going to the state university, and the
adjustment of transfers ON the line
would cost him $50 year. He said he
mentioned this simply to show the state
ments that the abolishment OF transfers
on this line would not make any differ
ence to the general public was incor-
rect. As MI. Lowry had announced the
company was going to stand pat, he sug-
gested the city adopt this idea, and also
stand pat. The lobbyists and paid at
tOrneys who were insisting that the city
give up all the right they had in order
that some manufacturing plant, located
in the outskirts of the city, might be
benefited, ought not, lie said, to be list
ened to. MIR. Mum was asked if the
| company would accept the Lightner Or
dinancc as it passed the assembly, and
on his
Replying in the Negative,
Aid. Copeland Immediately became
very anxious that this ordinance be
taken up and recommended to pass.
| Aid. Warren moved that the city attor-
ney be directed to draw up an ordinance
! providing that the street car company
| build line to Como at once, and that
as soon as the title to Phalen park was
In the city the line to that point should
be extended. In consideration for the
construction of these lines the city was
not to order any new lines for period
of three years. In support of his mo-
tion, Mr. Warren said by leaving out all
reference to transfers and boulevarding
he thought Mr.. Lowry would not object
to the ordinance. Aid. Zimmerman at
once decided that he would not vote for
any such ordinance. 1t was necessary,
he said, that line be built to the har-
| ypstar yyorL-c and he intandad n N a vo "A