The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1893-05-09
LIBERALS STAND FIRM.
UNyAVERIyG MAJORITY VOTES
D0WY DILAJOGY AMENDMENTS
To the Irish Home Rule Bill Onered by
the Conseryatives-The Closure Ap-
piled by q Majority of AZ.

| LONDON, May S-ln u'c i''N7S VI
| Commons to-day Prime Minister Glad
stone stated in reply to Joseph Chamber
lain that he would propose that the ninth
clause OF the Irish Home Rule bill
should be retained without alteration.
| This clause provides for the retention OF
Irish members in the Imperial Parliament.
J The Speaker ruled that the instructions
to the Committee on the Home Rule bill,
| offered by Lord Randolph Churchill and
others with view of defeating the bill,
were out Of order.
The House then went into Committee
on the Home Rule bill. Joseph Chamber
lain moved to postpone clause one OF
the bill, walch simply provides that on
| and after the appointed day there should
be a Legislature in Ireland. Mr. Cham-
berlain said 1t was his intention TO move
| the postponement of every clause up to
clause nine. I'm order to begin the discus
sion of the bill with the most important
proposals. The House, he SAID nad
right to know whether the Government
meant to adhere to the main points OF
the bill; otherwise the House might at
any tine find a new bill sprung upon
them.
Mr.. Gladstone replied that he declined
TO allow Mr. Chamberlain TO reserve TO
himself the privilege 10 challenge clauses
ont of their order. The bill was before
the House in a particular form, and
the Government alone had right 10 IN
dicate variations from that form.
A T. Balfour charged Mr.. Gladstone
with concealing how he designed to ar
range the representation Of Irish members
or Westminster until he should find the
tive more propitious for revealing 1t.
Towther and other Unionists continued
90 tallx In a strain similar TO their lead
ere while the Irish Nationalsts cried,
"Divide" Lowther, who is relative OF
Lord Salisburys and represents Miiue
Cumberland, accused Timothy Heaiy oi
leading organized disorder.
Mr.. Healy replied that the statement
r,oe untrue: the disorder was On the other
side :, A..
chairman Meller put an end to the
souabble by calling the disputants 10
order and Mr.. Chamberlein's amend
ment was rejected by vote Oh zio 10
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Charles J. Darling, Conservative for
Deptford. proposed TO amend clause
by reaffirmng the supremacy OF Parila-
ment in local as well as imperlai mat
terS
Mr.. Gladstone opposed the motion for
lament had been asserted sufficiently IN
the preamble.
Colonel Saundersor. the Ulster Loyalist
argued that the amendment was neces-
sary TO curb the predatory propensi-
ties Of the squalid Irish Parliament. with
a hungry executive floating in WHISKY
Mr.. Balfour, leader OF the Uniohists
said that the proposed amendment was
a preface 10 future provisions by whicn
the Imperial Parliament would De en-
abled TO control local and personal af-
fairs in Ireland.
Mr.. Chamberlain. leader OF the Liberal
ITnionists. declared it to be a sinister
omen that the Government were unwill-
ing 20 accept the amendment. III II were
deemed desirable 10 enforce the snprema-
cv Of the Imperial Parliament, then GER
tainly that supremacy ought 10 be hrst
asserted He himself did not believe that
the Government wished 10 assert This
supremacy.
Amid the Conservative cheers which
greeted this statement the electric lights
I'm the lobbies and galleries went out
and proceedings were suspended. To
shorten the debate the Irish members
abstained from speaking on Mr.. Darl-
inq's amendment, although the Conser-
vative speakers taunted them with ex-
centional malignlty for the purpose OF
involving them I'm a discussion. After
six hours had been talked away Mr..
Morley. Chief Secretary for Ireland,
,,,o,,ed the closure His motion evoked
onposition yels and cries OF shameful
and "scandalous." to which the irish
members replied, "Remember what you
did la 1851"
The closure was carried by a vote Of
2l3 TO 1875. The amendment was lost by
a vote Of 2S5 to 293.
Lord Randolph Churchill moved that the
chairman Of the committee report pro-
gress. II was hopeless, he said, 10 get
fair play as the business In committee
was being conducted.
Mr. Gladstone resisted the motion, re-
marking that he was not the au'nVi VI
the closure rule.
Mr. Chamberlain said he could appre-
ciate the Prime Minister'S GOODNESS. When
the worm was trampled it was not the
trampler who had reason 10 become eX-
cited Nevertheless, the worms feeiinss
might be hurt. Mr.. Chamberlain closed
with fling at the Irish, Whom ne
charged with indiscriminating support Oh
the Government.
"How much would Il take TO square
vou?" shouted William Pollard Byles,
Yorkshire Liberal. Conservative shouts
for an apolosy followed. The chairman
requested Mr.. Byles to apologize but Mr..
Rvles refused to do so More shouting ana
general disorder swelled the uproar. above
which could be heard indistincuy the
protests of the Irish that Mr.. Chamber
lain was the one who ought to apologize
first ,,
Eventually Mr.. Gladstone interposed'
Gained the members and drew from une
chairman a statement that he had mis-
understood the facts. and wished 10 with
draw his request for an apology from Mr..
Ryles. The motion to report progress was
then rejected by a vote or 5Ol 10 zoo
Mr.. Balfour moved that the chairman
leave the chair The motion was re-
sisted by Mr.. Gladstone. and was lost by
a vote OF 30l 10 21.
When the monotony OF useless motions
and divisions was resumed Chairman
Nellor's voice was notably hoarse, in con-
sequence Of his strenuous but ineifectual
efforts TO make himself heard during the
worst OF the confusion caused by the
Rvles incident. The sitting dragged un-
eventfully 10 the adjournment at mid
night. The last two hours had been COM
pletely wasted In futile squaboilng
and voting.