New-York tribune., 1893-12-10
A TALK WITH MR.. THURSTON.
THE HAWAIIAN MINISTER EXPLAINS HIS
JOURNEY.
NOT GOING TO HAwAII-HIS COMPANION MI
CASTLE, MAY BEAR DISPATCHES TO
PRESIDENT DOLE, HOWEVER.
fry 1KIrGnApH TO TIE TRIRrNE.l

tBy TELEGRAPH TO THE TRIBrSEl
Omaha, Neb, Dec 9-Among the passengers on
the westbound overland flyer of the Union Pacific
this afternoon was Lorn A. Thurston the Ha-
waiian Minister at Washington. Mr.. Thurston Is
speeding to San Francisco fast as steam can
carry him. He will arrive there Tuesday morning
reporter boarded the incoming train at an Iowa
station and found Mr.. Thurston snugly ensconced
in a Pullman sleeper surrounded by two massive
valses and many newspapers. Directly across the
aisle Of the sleeper sat II. y. Castle. Editor OF The
Honolulu Advertiser" Mr. Castle Is accompanying
Mr.. Thurston on his trip across the continent Wheh
first approached both maintained much reti-
cence. When the reporter displayed a sheet or
cable dispatch from Auckland announcing the latest
news from Hawaii both became deeply Interested
and talked at length upon the new state OF
affairs as evidenced by to-day's late dispatches.
Minister Thurston. however, was exceedingly
guarded in his remarks whenever any reference was
made TO President Cleveland's policy toward la
wall. He said:
"My present trip to San Francisco is. a matter
Of course. caused by the present state OF AFFAIRS
at Hawaii ] have come direct from washington
and shall proceed rapidly as possible 10 my
destination When / left Washington l MADE no
attempt keep the matter In secrecy od hot
go around with a brass band and notify the news
papers that going but left In the usual
way 1t is not true that l received my passports
That rumor Is based on the slightest seinbiance
of fact. The object Of my trip TO san francisco
is to make that city my temporary headquarters
in the receipt and forwarding OF dispatches and
correspondence pertaining to Hawaiian arairs
Washington is too far away. l shall reaen nai'
Francisco on Tuesday, where VIII prQbaDly re-
frDe frlr on apiaeei ,he i.,h' S'e@'"'' ''''
Xvii nj Won be- on that steamer" was asked.
No responded Minister Thurston "Mr Castle
cSmpanon Win possibly 30 o2e to yor return to
asansey yo.sgss sag Igs ,"at a DTesf" nay
do So IL all depends upon future events A..
What DO YOU thing o. T. President 1S next Herv
The Minister replied with emphasis ,d mat ne e. r
feEred not talk upon s suS5ecs 10 an
for an expression Of Ms y3Ts Sm %
ATSs'aGa Ss Queens eny'GS regime could maintains
without the determined assistance OF '9e TSe
Provisional Government has native Hawaiian nat at
its head BY the term of naive nesn s Mr man ras.e nU
over there Natives OF Hawaii are no' nec~ssarlS
black No, only is r presdsn' so born Ee n Hawaii
Tbns YOU will readily see that there should it no
5 a of ns aSfksr term than '''
"i!cse "Coud the Provisional Government exist ana
administer ,ne alsas aSked the reporter
''"9 ceGiainy Gt responded Mr. ThaTsGn 20 u cos,.
..Well 1 should say So, chined IN MI aste'
f President Cieveand VIII Just gve us the OPP
porqny we Will yery ser ,hs Of ,he Provisional
Army asked the reporter -, ..,,.ss.oo,
@ 1Sey Of hs Isefa rac ns
many Americans among the number" ,u.,u, g.,
rho newsDapers, the effect that "a man hainen
Van Cratta recently arrested at Denver was mo
bearer OF important dispatches from Presden, M
Dole 10 President Cleveand" was the next IN
terrogative , -. o,.. 20.
sponse as the speaker smiled for the hrst tme'
ut IL what you Americans would call iaKe.
Chicago, Dec 9.-Minister Thnrston, or iiawar ,Nar
and " n Castle, Editor Of The Honolulu AdVer-
tser spent few hours in Chicago last evening
on their way from Washington to san rrahcisCo
Jusi before their departure on chicago anu
Northwestern train at 10;D =. m, Minister Ihurs-
ION was told of the received by the transit
He eyinced deep In II. but said he was not
in a position to know whether II was correct or IN
correct and therefore did not wish 10 be quoted OF
tnterviewed regarding H. Mr.. Castle said: ~
II should regard II destitute OF the slightest
shadow of probability but that II bears OUT the
general tenor OF Minister Williss official actions
They have been uniformly dictatorial ana auna
c,"us II II is true that Minister Willis promised TO
sunnort the Provisional Government, II was dlner-
cnt from ANYTHING c,sc done by this Administrations
and / regard II as highly improbable The hrined
force referred TO Is n body OF rifiemen organized
many wears ago. 1t numbers about l,lVp men ana
cvery man of them Is for the Provisional Govern,
,reni II 10 useless talk about affairs In HaWan
nov for no one knows anything Minister Ihurs,,
ION eavs that he does not know anything. anu
have No doubt that that Is true for the Administra
ton has taken good care TO keep him from hhdlhg
out anything. - :, 49, c.. ,,.a.o,ao, <or Hama
lulu at the earliest opportunity