The morning news. [volume] (Savannah, Ga.) 1887-1900, 1893-03-19
CHURCH SALOONS.
ALL SORTS CT PEOPLE DISCUSS
TIE SUBJECT.

WlSties whose Nose Was Falsely
/ ACCUSED of Redness, and Old Prof.
Bloom, Who Cau's Be Shut Up-A
Great Night for Orators.
| From the Neg York Sun.
The Rev. Dr. W. S. Rainsford OF st.
Georges church, the originator of the idea
of the church saloon, lecsured on his scheme
| before large audience in the chapel OF S..
Chrysostom's church at $50 Seventh avenue
last night. DR.. Rainsford's lecture had been
extensively advertised aud everybody in
terested had been invited. Those who came
proved to be very much interested. some Of
/ them even excited.
DR.. Rainsford began by saying that most
of the saloons IN England were owned by
the distillers and brewers, and that this sys-
tenn was being gradually introduced here.
when all Of our saloons are held in this
/ way" said DR.. Ra1nsford, cit is going to be
a serious thing. The only thing that we
can do is tn meet fire with fire. Alcohol has
| come here to'stay. 1t has always been Ia
| use aud always will be. | have been
| whacked and lam basted almost every day
| by somebody ever since first made public
my solution OF the saloon question. The
| whackings have never hurt me any, hOw-
ever. and tonight l an just as firm in my
| belief that my solution is the only feasible
| one as | was when first proposed it, and
| can stand twice as much lRmbasting in the
future as have had in the past, and still
| remain of the same mind. To tell the truth,
| every whRck administered to me mas made
me swell up With pride.
IAN the men who keep saloons are not
bad men. l have met saloonkeepers who
we're good men, although Imagine it would
be difficult TO convince some prohibitionists
of this fact. say right now that do not
| believe in prohibition at ALL You cannot
force men to be good by law. think that
| my scheme is the only one that will do any
good. and ia proof cite the case of NorA
| way.
''Twenty-five years ago more liquor per
! capita was sold there than in any other
| country In the world. 1t was estimated that
| in the course Of one year an average of four
| gallons of liquor for each and every meu
woman and child in Norway had been sold.
| In Gothenberg the better classes bought up
| each saloon as It's license expired, then Sc
cured new licenses and ran the ssloons in
| their own way. They sold only the best
! quality Of liquors, and all of the profits out
l side Of per cent, which was retained for
| expenses, was turned over TO the munich
pality. The result has been that in the last
| sixteen years the cases of delirium tTemeUs
in Norway have fallen off 64 per cent. The
system does not include beer sellers. In
| Norway house which sells beer is known
| as temperance house.
| This is the system l want to introduce
| here. l wanted to start a saloon In connec-
| ton with my church, but came 10 the con-
olusion that one place of the kind in this
| large city would be of no use. | want to
see the day when clubs will be started on
every block in every street in this city for
| the purpose of selling good beer and good
whisky, none 20 be served to drunken men
or to those likely TO become drunk and none
., -, al
Make no secret of the place, but throw open
the blinds and create place where you
would not be ashamed to take your wife.
| The present retail trade is the greatest
| swindle on earth. The Gothenberg system
| has got to come here, and the time will
come when the liquor business In this city
will be in the hands OF the best people in
stead Of in the hands of the worst, as il is
now"
A fairly well-dressed man, who had made
| himself conspicuous several times during
the evening by bursts of applause, got up
| and said:
Pm Jagged, for fair but I've listened to
| your remarks pretty carefully, DR.. Rains
| ford, and TO say the least you are logical.
| Yes, sir, )" went on this citizen, to the amaze
| menG of the younger element 10 the hall and
the horror Of the old ladies' present, I'm
pretty well Jagged. You may not believe
| it, but am"
| ford. Some OF the people in the room agreed
with the doctor, while others urged the man
| to keep on. After making few more re-
\ marks about his jag the man sat down. He
was heard from several times before the
! evening was out. A young man who said
his name was ColeridRe A. Hart got up to
speak.
"Never in my lifs," said Mr.. Hart, until
now have heard OF a minister of the gospel
who advocated fighting the devil with fire.
| l always heard that the devil was to be
| fought with the doctrine Of the Holy Ghost,
and | tell you il is the only right way to
| fight sin, Dr. RAinsTord's idea is nonsense
| / say. Some others and started a club on
| the lines of DR.. RRinsford's Sunday school
| saloon some time ago. We divided into
| three classes. In the first light wines could
| be INDUCED in. in the second good liquors
| we're allowed, while in the third total absti-
! hence was the rule.
! Before the club had been going three
| months every member in 1t belonged TO the
second class, and half of them were drunk
ards, DON'T fight fire with fire, but fight it
| with the Holy Ghost How would it look to
! go into church saloon Of the kind the
reverend doctor advocates and read signs
| on the wall: Golden Text-Mint Juleps,
| 'Sundsy School Cocktails a Specially
| Wouldn't that be-"
| MIR. Hart was Interrupted at this point by
| a storm OF Kisses. He tried to 90 on, but
| the crowd would not let him. There were
more Kisses when small voice came from a
| corner as follows:
Pm jagged, but you're logical, doctor,
! and
| A tall, severe-looking man, with a minis
ter's waistcoat, bald head and iron gray
| beard, arose and said:
SIS this to be free and open discussion?n
sit is. replied the Rev. Dr. Sill. who
| off1ciated as chairman.
And may say what thinkg"
"You may
"Then," said the man, ~ want to say that
| DR.. Rainsfords church saloon is the most
| Internal invention Of the devil, and his idea
of fighting sin with sin is 1niquitous.
shout prohibition now and at ell times
| Prohibition foreverp" he shouted. Flight
the saloons with prohibition and"
"NOnsenser interrupted a little man be-
hind the speaker.
sit ls TRUTH" vent on the tall man.
~ say 1t is nonsense" replied the little
man.
Nonsense you say" shouted the tall
speaker, turning on him. That's what all
TO you red-nosed folks ssy.n
''Red-nosed p' yelled the little man, spring
ing up. "BY gosh, that's not 50. DR.. Rains
ford, and audience, leave it to you all, is
my nose redp
1T certainly is not - answered DR.. Rains