St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1893-12-25
HOW CAAUhCEY NET LEO.
fTHE POPE PLEASED WITH THE NEW
YORKER.
INSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATION
Between the Pontiff and Mr.. De.
pew-Ihe New York Central
Magnate Says the Pope Ap-
pears to BE in Excellent
Health, and Was Extremely
Cordial in His Manner.

NEW YORK, Dec. 24.-Chauncey M.
Depew was interviewed on his arrival
here from Europe today by reporter
of the Associated Press. One of the
Catholic papers of New York in its cor
respondence from Rome criticised Mr..
Depew for the speech he made In Chi
eago during the fair, in which the
orator had severely handled the church
in regard to its policy in this country.
"Mr. Depew," said the paper referred
to, will get the cold shoulder should
he ever come to Rome again. In regard
to the attitude of the paper, Mr.. Depew
said he did not care what it's corre-
spondents had to say. Life was too
short, he said. to notice such trifles.
Then Mr.. Depew began to tell of his
trip, and gave his views on Europe and
Europeans generally. 81 did Rome in
four days." he said, visited Pompeii,
Naples and Vesuvius.sIn Pompeii l saw
some curious thugs that had been
taken out of the ruins. On one of the
the faces of the we'll preserved bodies |
noticed drunken leer. Evidently the
maa was under the influence of wine
when the city was overwhelmed, for
the
SMILE WAS STILL THERE,
Just the same as it was 1000 years ago.
wanted to see the pope, and was told
that he could give no private audiences
His time is too much OCCUPIED with the
affairs OF the church all over the world.
But on the evening of the day my letter
was sent, the bishop of Northern New
York called to say that the pope would
see me in private the next day at IL. l
requested the bishop to accompany me.
as my knowledge of the language was
limited. l regard the present pom
tiff as more progressive and more
In touch with the spirit of varl-
Gus countries, and especially the
United States, and l thought the con-
versatiou might run upon difficult prob
lens and delicate subjects. During that
hour waited the pope sent out a mon
slgnor to entertain ME. He was a
charming man. l asked him what
would be the ceremonial for me. He
said that the universal rule was for
those presented to fall on their knees
and kiss the pope's hand Oh the papal
ring, but as my appointment was un-
usual, and / was Protestant. he would
inquire. The answer showed the ex-
quisite tact Of the pope. "The
Holy Father" said the monsig-
nor. "directs that In your case
the ceremony shall be precisely
the same as if you had a private au-
dience with the president of the United
States." AS I entered the audience
chamber the pope arose, came half
across the room, shook me cordially by
the hand, requested me to be seated,
and then
RESUMED THE PAPAL CHAIR.
With the memory of Mr.. Gladstone,
VINO is nine months his junior, in my
mind. studied him earnestly, espe-
ciaily in view of reports of his feeble
ness. He certainly is as vigorous as
the great English statesman. He
had been in constant audience
since s o'clock in the morning
/ and 1t was then 10 O'Clock. The ques-
tions presented came from all parts of
the world, and were mainly on appeals
10 him. Ope delegate told me that the
pope took the paper out of his hands
and read it himself. The pope ex-
pressed in very complimentary phrases
pleasure in seeing me: his knowledge
of my position and life at home. and his
hope that l would enjoy the sights of
the eternal city and carry away pleas
ant memories and soon visit it again.
told him that many thousand
members of his church were III
the employ Of the company of
which was the president, and 1t would