St. Paul daily globe., 1893-10-17
DISBAHD The SENATE.
Continued From First Page.

| amend The rules so tEat majority can
pass bill that they desire 10 pass.
MIR. gPSt-Ies. Air. President. l heard
| that when we were discussing the force
| bill III varied intonatlon. and with much
rhetorical utterance. but the rules were
not changed.
MIR. Aldrich-DOeS not the senator be-
| lieve that if a majority of the senate has
| been i'm favor of what he chooses TO call
| the force bill, the rules would have been
amended ahd the bill would have
passed?
q Mr.. Vest-Why, no, as the rules exist
until you get into the chair an occupant
who Will strike down the rule permit
ting one-fifth of the senators present 10
demand the yeas and nays. and who
| will put question and carry it without
regard to the votes of senators you cam
not effect against the opposition Of one
| fifth of the senators present any legls-
! latiOn which is so OdiuuS as TO require
| and demand their action. If any oracle
| can be found who will solve the diff
| entity and tell us how we can pass tile
| pending measure, or any other with the
opposition that exists to it in this body,
l shall come to the conclusion that ON
| nisence has impaired itself TO an in
| divdual, and given him solution
which has not yet been found.
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tor from Missouri is charged with re-
| sponsibility of legislation, not only i'll
this body, but in every department OF
the government. Ii one-fifth of the
senate can prevent any action upon any
| subject, how does that senator expect
to pass the bill reported by the
| SENATOR FROM NEW YORK
| (HilD 10 repeal the election laws? How
| does the senator expect that his party
| ~
| form if the ductrIne laid down by him is
| to prevail and is the correct doctrine for
the government of the senate? Would
not one-fith of the senate upon this
side be justified in preventing what we
believe 10 be ruinous legislation? Mr..
| Vest-A second Daniel came to judg-
ment. Laughter. have not said it is
the correct doctrine. | have simply
called attention to the fact, which ey
eryOne knows to exist, that a certain
status is upon US. If it is not so | will
be obliged to the senator from Rhode
Island if he will tell me what ne would
| do.
Mr.. Aldrich-If l had my way the
senate would change its rules.
| Mr.. VeSt-But you have not got your
way. [Laughter.l If the senator had
mis- way he would have passed the force
bill, but thank God he did not have it.
Mr.. Aldrich said the reason he did
have his way was because a majority of
the senate voted the other. If ma
| jorlty of the senate had been in favor of
changing the rules at that time they
would have been changed, and the force
bill would have passed.
| ut would not have passed." said Mr.
| Vest, land every intelligent senator
here, | undertake to say, will grant 1t
| to himself, if not publicly"
Mr.. Vest said when the election re-
peal and the tariff bills were reached
the Democrats would attempt to solve
questions and the responsibility of de-
teatIng the will of the majority would
rest where it belonged.
Mr.. Vest closed by saying: when
the time has passed, then the debate is
such that compromise is considered a
surrender. we may take up the question
of changing the rules"
MIR. HILL. SAID
| he repudiated the doctrine that one-fifth
of the senate could absolutely prevent
legislation. The power 10 make rules
implied the power to change them and
the senate could not by the adoption of
any set of rules absolutely prevent
itself from legislating. 1t could not tie
itself up so that by reason of its rules it
was impossible for the majority to legis-
LdlC VIC QlCldlC
| iSlatiOn.
Mir. Vest inquired whether the SEN
ator from New New York meant to say
the majority III the senate could change
the rules without debate.
Mr.. Hill replied that the question of
limitation of debate was within the dis
cretion of a majority of The senate.
That solved the question. He had
heard great deal i'll the debate about
the tyranny of the majority III its bona
fide efforts to pass the repeal bill, and il
has been repeatedly asked, what could
be worse than the tyranny of the ma
| jority? He answered, the tyranny of
the minority. The failure of the bill
would have to be attributed to both
political parties, and not TO only one
Has 1t come to this" asked Mr.. HILL
closing, THAT the senate is powerleSs
first, to legislate, and second. 10 change
its rules 50 that it can legislate here
after? If it has, it might as we'll dis
band"
Mr.. Call Oem., Fla.), rising to a per
sonal explanation, said he was willing
whenever debate was exhausted, tC
vote.
At O'clock the repeal bill was laiC
before the senate.
Mr.. Jones (Rep., New, then took the
floor and proceeded to deal with the
function of money. its value and how i
was regulated. Mr.. Jones occupied the
floor until 8 o'clock, and then, as he wa!
not well, said he would resume at an
other time. He was astonished tha
men credited with Intelligence shoulC
have said that the debate was simply
consumption of time. That was no
true.
At 3:45 he asked the indulgence O
the senate, and said that in a day or tWt
HE WOULD REPLY
to what he called 1.-The rather flippan
statement of the senator from New
Jersey (McPherson) concerning the cos
of the production of silver"
Mr.. Mcpherson cited as authority fo
his statement certain English writer
and the directors of the United State
mint, and inquired of Mr.. Jones wher
he could find any better authority.
Il will tell you," said Mr.. Jones. 18th
senator from Nevada, who is now Oh
the floor. and VINO is not very higl
authority, either"
Mr.. PETER then took the floor.
Mr.. Palmer, of Illinois, got into par
liamentary squabble with Senator
Kyle and Allen. Mr.. Palmer was com
planning of speeches made to consum
time, and Mr.. Kyle Pop, S. d.. regard
ing it as an imputation upon senators
asked him to specify one speech as hay
ing been made to consume time.
Mr.. Palmer replied promptly: II vii
answer by saying that believe the ser
ator from Nebraska"-This was as ia
as he got.
MIR. Allen Pop., Neb.), to whom b
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