The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1893-04-07
GLADSTONE SPEAKS AGAIN
The Premier Moves the Second Reading
of His Irish Home-Rule Measure,
And Talks Mainly on the Subject of Incorpo-
rated DEMONSTRATING Sea Arguments
Of Charles Russell and Mr. Carter.
THE HOME-EULE BILL.
Mr.. Gladstone Moves Its Second Reading and

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Mr.. Gladstone Moves Its Second Reading and
Makes "a speech.
LONDON, April 6.-The galleries of the
House of Commons were full. but the
House itself was not crowded when Mr..
Gladstone arose to-day TO move the second
reading of the bill to establish home rule
in Ireland. Mr.. Gladstone said that the
government had no intention of amending
the bill as presented, except In minor par
t~iculars. He earnestly desired to bring
home to the mind of the House the question
when this great controversy was to end.
lCbeers.l He did not address the question
to the opposition in q spirit of assumed sup
eriority, buth would rather pre~ssitearnest-
ly upon their hearts and understandings as
a matter in which both sides were equally
interested. For many years the question
of Irish home rule had blocked the way of
legislation. The Liberal party had offered
a solution. but when they asked their op-
pOnents where all this was TO end they
rarely obtained an answer. Certainly tho
opposition had not yet ventured to point
out q process whereby the greatest of Irish
questions should he decided apart from
the way in which the home-ruie bill pro-
posed TO decide it. Cheers. Mr.. Glad
stone proceeded with q history of the de-
velopmeut of the rise and the causes of the
demand for Irish homo rule. Let the
House" Mr.. Gladstone continued. look at
the spectacle the world offers In regard to
Its unions. In the civilized world no in
copOrated union effected and maintained
by force has ever prospered. That Is a
challenge of come bOldneas. ls it too bOldT'
Here the Right Hon. Sir Michael Hicks
Beach interrupted Mr.. Gladstone with tho
remark: Take the case of the United
States"
Mr.. Gladstone-Is said incorporated union.
Liberal and Irish cheers. You missed the
essential word. "Hear. hearwl Holland
and Belgium tired Incorporated union. and
after q precarious existence of fifteen years
q divorce was effected. Austria ana Hun
gary tried Incorporated union, and after
years of ssd experience they found
the empire. iCheers. Russia incor-
porated Holland. Take your stand
thereon if you think tit. Let the OPP
position make IT. the model of their opera
principle con BIO applied. and that is
whether they require permanent MAIN
tenance by force. If, when the force dis
appears, harmony remains. the union ia
good. If the maintenance of the union
by force, actual or In reserve, is necessary.
the value of the union Is questionable.
Unions not Incorporated, but autonomous.
have been attended in ali cases with sue
cess. sometimes complete anu always con-
siderable. Thus Austria and Hungary.
under their present union. NORWAY and
Sweden. Denmark and Iceland. Russia and
Finland are illustrations. The most COM
plete success was the German federation.
where each state had it's own powers. the
union only affecting imperial interests. In
the United States each State had Its own
RIGHTS, and any one in America daring to
interfere with those rights would be re-
garded as a mailman. The colonies had
some points in common with Ireland. The
disease of diseffection once permeated them.
but q remedy was found in self-govern-
ment. TCheers
In conclusion Mr.. Gladstone referred to
the retention of the Irish members in the
imperial Parliament. During the last sixty
years be said twelve instances had 0c-
curred Of Cabinets being displaced by q
vote of censure. Among these instances
there was not q case where the Question at
issue was purely British. eight having been
imperial and four Irish questions. There
fore, he thought less inconvenience ought to
be expected from Irish members voting on
British QuestIons than had been antici-
pated.
The rejection of the home-rule bill was
moved bY Sir Michael Hicks Beach. presi-
dent Of the Board of Trade in the last SAL
isbury Cabinet.