St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1893-02-23
AGREED TO AT LAST.
The Joint Street Railway
Committee Has the Or !.
dinanee Ready,
And Will Tonight Submit It
to the Assembly Meet
ing.
The Terms Are About What
Have Been Previously
Set Forth.
Aid. Zimmerman and Frank
lin Prove the Only
Kickeps.

Another long-drawn-out session of the
special committee On street railway
matters was held yesterday. Consider
able progress, however, was made, and
at the meeting of the assembly tonight
an ordinance which is published below
will be sent in with the recommended
ton that 1t pass.
The majority of the committee voted
for such recommendation, but Aid.
Franklin and Zim herman, two of the
six members, did what they could to
prevent such action. Aid. Franklin.
with an eye to future elections and
decided conviction that the railway com
pany was endeavoring to get the best or
the city, declared he would vote for no
ordinance which would make any
change in the present transfer system.
Aid. Zimmerman objected to the ordi-
nance submitted because If delayed the
construction of Maria and Stryker
avenue lines, but principally to
the proposed transfer system. AS he
expressed it, the city has a club IN its
hands in the present transfer system
which if used at the proper time and IN
the right manner would bring the rail-
way COtuDdHl W Iline. DOUIi IllC OOJSOG-
orS claim the city is asked to give up
the transfers on the inteTurban line and
in return is to receive nothing for this
valuable concession. According to their
views, the railway company is obliged
TO complete the lines on Maria and Stry-
ker avenue prior to July /. 1898, and in
case this is not done, proceedings can be
instituted itch will annul the fran
chiSe under which the company oper-
ates. These, both gentlemen explain.
are the reasons for the attitude taken by
them concerning street railway matters
Id attendance at the meeting yeSter-
day, aside from the six members Of the
committee. were President Lowry, NJ.
d. Munp, II. j. Horn, w. p. Murray,
d. d. Merrill, Thomas Cochran, A. Ii.
Llndeke. James Middleton. George
Thompson, and Assemblymen Reardon,
Pike and DoIan. City Attorney LAWYER
submitted the ordinance, which, he said,
bad been drawn so as TO embrace III
general way the matters discussed at
previous meetings Of the committee.
He anticipated there would be some
Objectionable features to the railway
company, and perhaps changes would
be required by the committee. The or
dinance, however, SO far as it went.
followed the ideas as intimated by the
committee. and propositions sent in by
the street railway company. City Clerk
Prendergast was pressed into service
and read the ordinance. Alderman
Zimmerman, as soon as the ordinance
mad been read, said there were num-
Der of changes needed, and inquired ii
the ordinance was subject to change.
Again City Attorney Lawler reiterated
his previous statements, and said the
ordinance was
Simply Rough Draft
for the guidance of the committee, and
any change wanted could easily be
made. MI. Zimmerman desired the
rights of the people protected, and
thought time limit should be fixed as
to how long the boulevard on Uniyer-
sity avenue should be kept in the lines
set forth in the ordinance. MI LAWYER
said this portion of the ordinance had
been drawn according to Mr.. LoWry'S
idea. The idea was to have the boule-
ward extend two blocks without being
intersected by cross streets. 1t was
within the power Of the council to cause
at any time a street to be extended
across the boulevard. a. Il. Lindeke
thought five years would be about the
right time to give the company the
boulevard privilege. The probabilities
were, he said, that University
avenue would become business
street. and if so, there should be some
provision made SO streets could be
Opened across the boulevard whenever
necessary. He thought the ordinance,
If not changed in this particular, would
give the company the right to prevent
such improvements. Assemblyman Van
Slyke wanted the ordinance considered
section by section, and then adopted, so
it could go to the assembly Thursday
night Aid. Zimmerman said it was
rather premature to consider the 0rdi
portant matter. and should be looked
over carefully. During the read
ing he had noticed num-
Der of the sections were very
stringent, and the stringency was not to
the best interests of the city. The Sec
ton concerning interurban transfers
was not the system he considered should
be adopted. Under the proposed ordi-
nance it would be possible for the COM
panv to put on one ear every half-hour
on the interurban tracks, and the public
would be obliged to use these cars and
not the interurban, because transfers
would not be accepted OH this line.
Aid. Franklin took the same view OF
the transfer section, and said under the
construction put on the term reason
able service" cars need be run only
once every half-hour. City Attorney
Lawler said there was no settled
question as to what space Of time
was meant by reasonable service
Mr., Lowry said cars were run every
few minutes between Rice street and
the loop, and the only reason why the
company desired to shut Oft transfers
on interurban cars this side of Rice
street was to allow more rapid transit
on the interurban line. If the inter-
urban cars were required to stop at
every corner to take on passengers with
transfers, the trains were delayed, and
good time could not be made between
the cities. He thought it fair for pas
Sengers with transfers to be willing to
ride on local instead Of interurban
cars if they did not intend to go
beyond Rice street. Aid. Franklin said
the wording of the ordinance did not eX-
press these views. MI. Lowry mildly
remarked that perhaps Aid. Franklin
could suggest some other way the Or
dinance could be worded so as TO express
the idea, but Mr.. Franklin refused to
suggest. Aid Zimmerman thought
the city should get full value
for the very valuable conces-
sion made, if the transfers on the
interurban line were given up. Mr..
Lowry SAID by the proposed ordinance
the company was giving transfers on all
trains in the city. There was, by the
terms of the new ordinance, no distinc-
ton made as to connecting lines as I'M
der the present ordinance. In fact,
there would be
No limit on Transfers
in the city except none would be issued
on lines running in the same general
direction. Aid. Franklin asked if there
would be any objection to the transfer
clause not taking effect until the inn
proyements mentioned in the ordinance
had been completed. His idea was that
the city was giving up very valuable
privilege for the promise of something