The sun., 1893-04-11
THE DEBATE ON HOME RULE.
MN. CHAMBERLAIN ATTA CHS THE BILE
INA LONG SPEECM.
ao,b ireland nna Enginnd, he Says, Have
Reason TO Fear the Results OF the niii-
dustin Mccarthy, Redmond, Trcvelyn, nnd
A.bme.d kartictt Join In the Debate.


mons TO day discussion was resumed on the
motion for tho second reading OF the Irish
Homo l:ule bill. The frat speaker was Slr.
Uerbert W. Paul. Liberal NJ. T. for South
edinburgh. Mr. Paurs rsmarks did not I'LL
rho benches. and II was not until the hight
Hon. Joseph Chamberlain arose that the
uomlers buried In and the House assumed
an aspect OF interest and attention.
Mr. Cham berain said that the bill proposed
10 establish n brand-new Constitution for
Ireland The Prime Minister asked them
when the controversy would be settled IL the
measure should be rejected The whole aues-
tion really was. would the Till settle the con-
troyersy? Was not Mr.. Gladstone in too greats
hurry and WAS he not too i'm patient to deal with
The Irish difficulty? A new era had opened
for Irc'ant with ths disestabishment OF the
Irsh Church. Then the ngrarian question
had been pnrty settled. Time ought to be
siven to allow for tho beneficial operation OF
these other measures: but the Prime Minister
saia that Ireland was still discontentcd. and
That no progress toward Cancellation had been
mn,le. II such was the ease. then the predic-
tions OF the Primo Minister regarding the
measures he had already prom oted Tor Ireland
had proved fallacious. and throw discredit on
sImilar predictions in regard to tho present
measure giving Ireland a separate leGisla-
ture.
probably. added Mr.. Chamberlain the people
Of England would accspt the bill II they be-
lieyed that It would enable them to get rid Of
the Irish question lHcnr. hearl. but he feared
II would do nothing OF the kind. Mr.. Glad
stone had disregarded tho rights OF the minor
ity and treat ed the most influential and pros
perous section of the Irish people with con-
tempt He proposed to subject that portion OF
the Irish people to such Legislative conditions
ss would wreck their Industries and EXPOSE
the whole country to financial ruin. Not Ire
land alone. but England equally had reason to
dread the results OF the measure.
The whole Of the property classes continued
Mr. Chamberlain whntever their religion. were
oppo;ed to the biz Had the Prime Minister
when the Government was opposed by u ma
jorty vi the classes owning property? Even
not admit that 1t was u nnality. He chal-
ienged tho Irish lenders to say whether they
;Gsens ;c HS Of ts on advise Of the Bts
Ministry and preventing the Irish IIarliament
from dealing with external trade. We're these
rend"ring Ireland liable to Increased taxation
for war and other purposes connected with
There was absolutely nothing final about
the bill. As soon as an Irish Parliament
should pc thIy you'd rgaIT % It to he
.ider tho so-cailed safeguards in the bill
worth anything II the Irish majority was de-
Isl Parliament could enforce them hy civil
war. but not otherwise Comparative cheers;
eon"nusl ed Mr. % Cham mberla,n was the good ieeI.
Ing and generosity OF the Irish leaders and
people. and il the Goyernment had the courage
the ro.called safeguards In the bill. But prob
ally MIR. Gladstone still suspected the good in
vririG to give the governmen OF Ireland. These
we're the men about whom he formerly said
that thei preached the gospel Of plumber. and
were marching through rarine to the dismem-
berntnt Of he empire. The present Chancellor
Of the Excheuuer had denounced them as
The present Chancellor OF the Durhy OF Lancas.
ter had said that II the police should he placed
q ,r tsay ae b ad
they escaped with a whole skin. and the pres;
eM secretary for Scotland had once declared
throughont Ills life than consent to coniide
The lives and liberties OF u law-aDiding popu-
The these we're the utternnces Of four Ministers
vhN now led the way in proposing to establish
would not say that Ireland n England should
bs engaged in war would take sides against
mss BE- wth "f. oe.
q a simultaneous civil and foreign war; Mr..
the irish people. but 1t was iath OF recent
growth. They were asked to stake the honor
snt Sna .n nraele o. wosd be wronch on
springs Of human action. The danger was too |
Bin should pass and they escaped disaster
and disgrace. the Government would still fail |
With 80 title CORRESPONDING advantage.
Justin Mccarthy leader Of the anti Parnell
ites Iidisued rt Mr.; Chant erlaip's prophecies
xouLl be 81 satlshs'. They WV would aecept It as
y Wsud msss i PeHsf tS oment dseosd anal
scisoyalty could he made honestly only BY
s,9ia ,nGSs mMifsSnf ia me present m"od Of the Irish
were lpite satisfied with the financial clauses
o. ths Home Rule bill: nevertheless. they nc
men; nent OF the question. Chcers.l AS far ns the
d, dtr,s, party could toresee. it might prove a
Minister would "S win n' te @els usdSinE sra
William Redmond leader OF the Parneliites.
sientiy by the House. Yo!hirG was to be
gninra @ by nroonging the debate. and a diyis-
@1shwl ION was now needed to give efrect to the
general election. Mr., Redmond ridiculed the
Ga,hoi. sI fh.t Lister hnd ANYTHING to fear from
Shon,d should follow the passage Of the hill. they
i.Sl i.,Sulh De due to the conduct OF the Opposition
worst passions of both Catholic and Protes-
l.st nj George GSn T,sSsysn Secretary for Scot,
isr sE ibsi, M,eis ,sI and Mr. cambsrsin
'i" AHess, III NJ lrhSt admitting the
ncessl'y "f settling the Irish question by
e'an. e'," MEASURE OF local self, government" Both
the weight"st opponents Of the hill, he said
taau,lh taau, ~ iart. admitted that. had the bill con-
tsneu guarantee OF tho supremacy Of the
i%ppsrial Parliament. they would have accepted
n,ndnI A. nq. an guarantees formerly asked by the
vvpros,iitlOh haG been conceded, notably the |
swhttntlon o. Irish members at Westminster,
Nrn N.Cn was demanded so insistently in lSS6
sm snrysoree yeoree taunted Mr.. Chamberlain with In
TTnnsstenny In this matter and charged tho
an. SFEtye %i NiitI Iary with nracticing now all the
shnn, VI OBSTRUCTION which they had found SO
SHf,hoAious when used by tho Nationalists
nnsel answering in detail tho arguments OF
Rs J}rnostlon against specific provisions OF
n,o,sn. mo giii. ne denounced strongly the Ulster
mmopSratnme. m.p IN" leading Conservative states
sssuilca'lon H. OF civil war In ireland. He for
NJ Iarl. dl not care for civil war. The mon
~. ~, were taking SO loudly about fighting
sn.hh" hh"t nf the iignting kind.
6sIIvv H. Incorporate speeches as were made
sonJJ WIN the approval OF opposition leaders
a mas mnn nl i.natlcsm. 1t had been said that
koma,tHy o. forty was too small 10 grant
Gt. RUE How large majority. he would
isnd W 10 hhow; would hs required to induce Ire
NJ" Ms ra vi acluiesce n the refusal OF home rule?
ss%a aeatons OF England could never he the
sin,, inw as They were before the last general |
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