The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1893-07-22
NEW FINANCIAL CLAUSE
or OFTHEHOMER RULE BgLL Disc UssED
At LENGTH Pro AND COW.
Mr.. Joseph Chambsslain Opposes the
Provisions of the Clause and Mr..
Henry Fowler Defends Them.

LONDON. July 2i.-In the House of
Commons to-day Sir Edward Grey. Par
liamentary Secretary OF the Foreign OF.
fee, responding to questions on the SUBJ
jeet, stated that on Wednesday last Rus
sia had assured the Foreign once that
the stories about an armed Russian force
being dispatched to seize the Pamir
country were entirely false.
Mr.. Gladstone then moved the consid-
Grafton OF the new financial clause o,
the Home Rule bill, the only clause 10
be discussed prior to the passage OF the
bill by the House. The motion was
adopted and the House went into Com
mittee OF the Whole
Mr.. Joseph Chamberlain the Liberal
Unlonist leader objected TO the provision
that certain surplus OF money should
be given 20 Ireland That country, he
declared ought not 10 receive any sur
plus. Ireland was called upon TO pay too
little and Great Britain too much The
estimates being based upon years re-
turns could not be regarded as equitable.
Mr.. Chamberlain said he dreaded n
diminution OF Ireland's tribute In the
future. which. together With probable
Increase of the imperial expenditures.
would cast increased burdens on the
British tax payers. The plan proposed
by the Government would also alter the
imperial budget by depriving Great Dri.
tain OF the proper control OF her own
taxation. IL would deprive the Irish Of
all freedom OF action regarding financial
matters and would induce constant con
nicts between Ireland and Great Britain.
He admitted that the proposal that any
special tax. for instance. war levy,
should be imposed on Ireland the same
as Great Britain. was a much better one
than the proposal on the same subject
contained in the Home Rule bill OF 1850.
Bur the basis OF the whole scheme. he
maintained. was indefensible, since under
II Ireland would pay $4,000 pounds less
than she pays now and l.So0.la0 pounds
less than she ought 20 pay. This amount
OF money Mr. Chamberlain declared.
was the price that the British were asked
to pay for Irish home rule.
lici ry Fowler president ~ the local
Government board. said that In fixing the
future charges 10 be paid by Irelond,
II was essential 10 regard the subject
from the point OF the common interests
OF the two countries, since Ireland would
not cease to be an integral part OF the
United Kingdom.
Suppose the Home Rule bill should be
defeated, Great Britain would still have
10 grant subventions TO railways and
ether public works. which would cost
quite as much as the proposed surplus
that was To go to ireland. Ireland was "a
poor country. lie was convinced that
the British would deal generously and
literally with her, especially during the
first years Of the new Government.
Mr.. John Redmond Garnollite) said he
regretted that the scheme was not more
liberal and more just II was humilia-
ting TO Ireland TO be deprived OF all
control OF the collection Of taxes for
six years. Ireland's contribution IN that
period ought not 10 be more than one
quarter OF her income She ala not want
I'm the future, as I'm the past. to be rob-
bed because Of her connection with
Great Britain.
This declaration elicited cheers from
the Irish members.
Continuing. Mr.. Redmond said that ex-
perlence would show that the scheme
was unjust. A royal commission has
been promised. and Il ought TO be APP
pointed forthwith. II would doubtless
show that the proposals needed great