The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1893-10-20

3 eeednre and dissn n deportment Som
"fS he 'S those ssacfsr ali, nbs sp5'
doubted whether his friend from New Yorl
nfs Sea o M4 s TO f ;6ov a
lis IN ne ScrS ApSican %ss,e's 20 d ff Bccen
the House arc Intended. like all other laws. t,
protect the weak against the strong And yet
senators from TSxas and New York propose irs {
0 and aG and nd0s sc IN a
through the Senate, a motion to change III,
tr nes 20 SnsHs as thGy snd the mniorty e
Butler very emphatically be done With m,
re- SeEgISs the right o mSort
Mr.. Hill repeated the question which he had
wise bil[ the senator would point ont how Il
specific answer TO that question. and not q
general reference TO the Constitution and rules.
found itself in that position. with as strong S de-
termiIped. sincere anxiety to pass the bill y
aGss ss il Ga. ssr get
the bill ought not to pass.
Mr. Hili-1f understand it. It is not tho ma.
the bill that is paesed does not reflect the sen
tiw%ens !, q the majority, but Of the minority.
=, Mr., Hill-The plain doctrine announced By
the Senator from South Caroline is, that the
pass. because il. m ust always always. always
compromise with the minority. l do not be-
Mr.. But!er-oh. no. Mr.. President; the Soma:
tor from New York has made a side issue and
has begged the question when he says that a
nnns e9 tS never pass bill without the
:, Mr.; HILL understand the Senator. to say
mneriiy the iii ought not t to pass. win
Mr. Butler-And repeat It
@ Mr.; Hill-And there take issue with the
Mr. Butler,I repeat II. and ! have no apolo-
Shh law hs O. eoa hs aso
M; nilimMy pSsiton Is that under our form
press its views and has right to endeavor to
impress them upon the majority. II. the ma
has right TO do SO. But / cannot lind any
thing In the Constitution Of the United States
Mr.. Butier-Nor /. MI President. I nave
made no such statement have not stated
from liz s.ats E Inos g. .sS az S to Sose
Mr. Buter-The Senator can answer that
9u;estiqan for himself do rot control hs
opportunity is offered.
Mr. Palmer-When can I have that oppor.
Mr.. Butler-when debate Closes
Mr.; Palmer.ln all discussions tho minority
hss os 5sh faith sTsrsse
Of the minority to debate for the purpose Of de-
'E,. Butler Nobody claims that. Who is to
determine whether [ am now speaking for OBJ
struction or not
ond the majority 81 this bodS AppaGss In
;, As there had been frequent ,outbursts Of the
Butler and Messrs. Hi and Palmer. the atten-
ton Of the Vice President was called to this
PRESIDENT seriously warned the Spectators that
he would order the galleries cleared II the dis
dressed man in one. Of the western galleries
arose and declared in loud voice and good
oendcr he Would wthdraw Ses sthouss he had
weeks And he did withdraw. without putting
sumed the floor. He diseaime ed the idea that
tended for him. and intimated that the Te'e e al
leries had been packed for the benefit Of the |
he would be very glad to Invite that ' Senator
sG @ sos street zee where they could
This invitation was misunderstood by Mr..
oraea TsS made point Of
that different. meaning should tie given to it, |
that his invitation was one to speak. not to
In the course Of further discussion Mr.. Hill
the power to amend them was not binding
Mr.. Butler-Then und erstand tho Senator's
and do not hind the majority.
#; "ouId ike to have the
Mr.. Hiil~In ali ordinary methods of proce-
nure the rules are binding both on the major
tie ourselves up SO that the majority has not
the power to amend the rules; O
a code OF rules to which the Senator subscribed
when he took the oath; Now understand him
Jules except SO far as it meets his sI ap prof
ion.
Mr. Hnl,,we have tied our hands. I propose
o unite them. so that We can change the
Mr. Butler-How?
:, Mr.. HlI-By offering at the proper time and
nalorittyl an amendmsent to the rules and then
lifficalty 4 and he emphasized the 'if" and
POSITION the majority shall take on this cues T
through the majority will be found by my
0 amend the rules Whereby the ' Senate ' can
AIRY IT ont the will q the majority. ,
ind the idea either that NJ Hi was not sure
{ a ma]IoTlty or else that he was weakening in
minority. and Mr.. Stewart REP. New re-
marked very complacently that he was half q
ray over now.
II am making progress with him." said Mr..
ur side now, and when the persuasive eio. :
uence OF the Senator from Nevada has had u q
rely on our side. lLaughterl / think that
srhaps IL the New. York elections were over e
a would be on our side altogether. tRenewed | Z
IuGhterl ! do not know about that. but I =
link Il may have some influence. ILauehter.l .
Mr.. Hoar lkep.. MHss.l made a remark, and b
as asked by Mr. Butler whether he Thought A
,ere WAS any power in the Senate TO prevent a
Distraction.
Il do" Mr.. Hoar replied. "in motion to z
1angs the rules. That motion should be pre- Il
snted to the presiding officer and after tho n
eDate. or after motions to adjourn or to take
recess or for call o. the Senate. or any
.her Of the motions usually called 'fllibuster- o
ig,' have gone SO far that, in the opinion Of A
10 constitutional presiding officer Of this y
ody. who Is chosen by the American people,
pt by the Senate. 1t has reached that point o.
hich implies to his mind that the furt her dis L
lsson is intended TO prevent action. IL would | ,
. in his lower. and would be his duty to say to d