New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1893-02-14

Of the bill in such manner that thls lmP'riIt
representation would practically not clash with
representation in the LEGISLATURE at Dublin.
TIE VOTING POWER OF THE IRISH MEMBERS
Now comes the greater dficulty-what voting
power are these eighty members to have? Ire
lend is 10 bc represented here fully, that is my
first postullte Ny second postulate is that Ire
land is to he invested with separate powers
subject. no doubt. to Imperial authority; yet
still. as must from experience practically sep
aratc a certain Independent power, as has been
done in other legislatures OF the Empire, Ireland
j. 10 be endowed with separate powers over Irish
affairs. Then the question before us j.: Is she.
or l. IN" not To vote 80 strongly upon matters
purely British
propose this question in IN" trae parliamentary
torm-aYc or M? There are reasons both ways.
We cannot cut them oil in manner perfectly
clean and clear from these questions. W" can1ot
find an absolutely accurate line OF clcavag" he
tween questions that are Imperial questions and
those that are Irish Questions Cheers Unless
the Irish member. allowed TO vote on all
British questions they mus; hay" too llttl" or too
much, because there arrr questions which DEFY
our efforts 10 arrange them with accuracy and
precision on the propcr sid" of the line H. either
ENGLISH or Irish. We do not see th" possibility
Of excluding them from one o. the highest and
most important functions OF the House. namely.
that Of determining H." composition OF the cX-
'"utive power \ vote o. confidence Is simple
A,Paration hnt may b. otherwise do not see
how it j. possible 70 exclude Irish members from
voting on thar croat subject.
Next unc-, lrlSh Members vote on all quns-
lions You bronx The parliamentary tradition;
powers of voting j., >eriou. breach Of that tradi-
tion, which, whether yon resolve TO face 1t or
not ought 80 b" made th" subject Of most care
NoT come :ho reasons acainst thc universal
voting power I is difficult to say everything
on that side. Tri-h: everything on this side. i'm
ask n" for proportiDr. | say ninc-t"nthS. nn"-
tren-twrrl.cths, PERKINS, n'n"ty-nre-on"-hnn-
drcdths ~ the business oi fnrl1r"nt car: "It,..
ont difficulty. be cl1SSrl - Irish or Imperial II
would be. however. Il great anomaly if these
eighty Iris, Ncnbcrs shlul1 como here continu-
ally 10 intervene ia questions purely and abso-
intclV British. II som" lir-" question or con-
'rovcr,v III british Affairs should then com" NJ.
causing = d~.p and vital scverng Of tn" two
.i.qt par'is in ihis IIouS", and III" members Of
tho~r lar'i..- knew that thcy could bring over
eighty Members from Ireland t. support their
viow- ! am afraid u cns, ike that wouid opcn
possible ioor - wholesale dangerous political
Ny colleagues found Themselves not well able
10 fac" . contingency OF that kind l"y IN
ecltcd IN the blll Limitations on the Noiing pW"f
of H." Irish Mrnibor, 10 "N"luic them hr't.
from voting on u bill or motion expressly con-
fined ~ Great Britain. second. from voting on a
tax not levied upon hrland third. from voting
on Il vote of or appropriation of money other
wise than fer in" imperial service fourth, from
voting on any u 'iion or resolution exclusively
affecting Great Britain.
The Whole subject i full Of thorns and BRAN
bc, bat our object is the autonomy and self
government 81 Ireland in all matters properly
Irish The Irish people certainly dbl not rai~'
the difficulty t. which ! have Just alluirI-th"
retention of Trsl members in the iiou,c. This Is
"A secondary matter in their eyes, ana nneht NOT
10 interfere with their principal aim. In rae" OF
th" feeling that = hhad" OF uncertainty SIN hah!S
over the uncsi ON Of retention of the Irish VI nh -
We have Ncl 10 the paragraph concerning inns
nuesii.n In. words: Excepting ard until Par
lament shah determine III" coming financial leg
iSlatiOn.
THE KEYNOTE or THE FINANCIAL PROPOSALS
wish 10 supply the keynote 70 the financial
part Of the legislation That keynote Is to tie
found in the provision included in our plans from
the first and wisely and generously acccd'd I"
hy Ireland through her representatives., that there
j. 10 be- but ore sl Stem nf legislation Tor all the
three kingdoms, A. far a. external things are
concerned, that will bc found 10 entail very I'M
portant consequences. II has guided u> to tl.e
conclusion ~ which We hayr arrived. OF unity
of the colnmcrcial legislation for M" kingipi
his includes custom and excise duties, poStOlhc'
and telegraph. =,
IW adopting this keynote can attain 10 the
most valuable results ANA Wall be likely 10 aNOll
the caslnns friction of agents of the LAMP rial ana
agents Of III" lush Governments. We can make
under cover OF this proposal 4 larger ana ihoi
liberal transfer g.. Ireland in the uanagcment OF
her own AFFAIR, than cOuld max" II We pro-
c,cded on any other principle. We nope I" 'a-
.,pe IN This uay all collection in III" Interior 0l
Ireland OF any revenue whatever 10y Imperial
authority He principle T. which w ar b"uu'
10 give eject IN Ireland is Ireland 9- TO bear a
far share OF Imperial eAprnditurG. lar Inr,
HE word Imperial r. defined IN the Ncheou'
which gives The. lit OF Imperial burdens.
There IN" three modes III which TIN, iar Shai'
may ~ arportonr dn IN, 'rI II '" IssS r%.
mcthod we thought should disappear natnralll
from the new nil, for. through III" retention OF
Ir-li representation here. Irish members VIII VOC
the Imperial cNp,nAiturt Consequently II wouIl
Ter
70 the method OF Il lump sum Another m''noa i
i what may simply b" described ~ me IN 'lo'i y.
a uuota-that i 20 say. that Ireland snail pay "
per cent or per cent, OF per cent or Wnat gu
nlea-" Of thu Imperial expenditure, whlch SH,'
l'n taken ont of tn" common funi. NI' VIII ~
d.hitrd 10 that extent and Will have 10 pay II
aver fro,o her accoun; TO ours. II You hN ~"
Quota and the quota be- absolutely elastic. S'"ul'
the Imp,ria Q, rcaditurc swell the principle OF
ia" quota would still secure tn" relative SHARE W
ic contributed hy Ireland.
TIE QUESTION or THE IRISH REVENUE.
Ent there j. a third method. which one we
adopt. that Of dcducting from the irish ieN'n"''
IN. amount due England There IS one OF thc''
revenues 70 which the greatest difficulty adh9roS
When explaining the subject in 1NS6, POINTED
ont that there was large revenue locally re-
ccivcd in Ireland Int really lcongInE To treat
Britain The rrincipal Iart Of that rcyehu" was
within the ENcsr Department. W W, W., We Icl.nJ
vantage of th" consideration Wil'h " '' ,
ncvcnuc Department ha' had since INV ', ILL.,
,I u,c rrndnrcd we get rid Of the difficulty
airocc,Lcr rs lar as the inland revenue : con,
| rcrncd We provide that. revenue lr',n ,r III
ireland shall be revenue really 'rlo'isinI -" =;
l,nd-thnt Is, revenue from Goods cor>lihrI ~
ireland II j. not 50 with the clst"Ho' WIN
,hc customs there is n large debt from Ireland
IA this country II l. not so lar-r IL - INV
-, ,Ln c..c Of cNctr huf still II comes M !"
.rvcral hundreds of thousands. II We auopl"u I'M
nrthod OF u quota. shout cNpo'r irlsh IMAM"
| IN LARGO and inconycnicnt shocks rom ch''l''a
.n,,nIlnccI in Eup'i>h Ludec:s Imp rial rra o q
,iso. would pcrlans make it nrccs,iry for US To-
| lo what We a,c | think, very unwilling TO 40
,,uir IN ciyr Lnprrial officers m"ddlng anu
'i,', rovcr in relation to Ir-h fiscal anal
iii" third plan is to, rpnropfa'" particrl II
enJ saw thi, fr.nd shall h" taken hv n~ and SHAH
.,',d in ,rnuittal Of all obi cations Of Ireland
| Gnr immortal services. This fund will sweep away
ali tic dnicultis of calculate N and intervention
| vlich mjolt brlong to the quota method. Ih"h
, h,v. uart Of th. fund practically IN our han Is
| M il rnnnnnnlnnnt OF thr CUSTOMS rcIrnne ~