The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1893-12-19
HEARING TESTIMONY.
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had been with me for about two hours.
and he WAS not walking with Mr.. Moore.
Die was asked how be stood on the sena-
torial question. His reply was: Gentle
men. I have been nominated without
givinc any pledges. and wish 20 go TO
Richmond unpledgod. Why do you wish
20 known one Of us said: w want TO
know because In cass you are not against
Mr.. Martin, in case you are not pledged
against Mr.. Martin, or II you Will vote
for Mr.. Martin. we can get some money
20 hcip you in the campaign" Mir.
Withrow got indignant. and said; "Il be
damncdi II Mr.. Martin wants 10 beat me-,
I viii show him that he can't do IL; |
will spend all l have 70 show him that
DC can't 90 IT," When Mr.. Withrow said
that : told him that II Mr.. Martin had
wished to beat him he would have tried
So az the convention. I never saw Mr..
Martin In my life. and the only knowledge
had ] got from Mr. Moore. and I thought
that IL Mr. withrow should be for Mr..
Martin then we could go 20 some mon In
tlc county that were for Mr. Martin and
say 90 them that Mr.. Withrow would not
oppose Mr.. Martin. or that he was for
Mr Martin. and they would give us some
funds. AS 20 my saying that Mr.. Martin
would give rs money ! did not say IL, be-
cause | did not know Mr.. Martin. Mr..
Withrow said that the railroads we're fur
nlshing Mr., Martin money. and I said. or
come of ne said. that MIR. Martin was "A
man OF means and did not need 10 get
money from the railroads. He said he
dld not think he would vote for Tom
Martin under any consideration, but that
Sc certeiniy would not 30 so unless II
was the St. timcut Of his constituents.
About The 9th Of November I noticed an
article in one Of the Richmond papers
saving that Mr.. Withrow was a pro-
u0unccd Lee man. ! wrote 10 Mr..
Withrow asking him n me was so pledged
10 General Lee: that IL a petition was
sent 90 him from the three counties OF
his district 10 vote for Mi. Martin would
he then support MIR. Martin. I received
ID reply from him saying that ! knew
bow easy it was 20 get a petition signed,
and that he would not consider a petition
from the Martin element unless the Lee
men sent one too. and / did not get up
fle petition: and there my connection
with the matter dropped until Saturday
evening. when L received a telegram in
Baltimore to come down here and testify.
SIR. Nicol. Is that all You know OF the
matter?
Mr.. Delaney: Yes. sir.
The committee then rose. to resume
the Investigation at 3 O'Clock p. NJ.
Afternoon Session.
O.. g.. LitchGeld being duly sworn, tes-
tidcI as follows:
By Chair;
@. Have You read the resolutions under
which this committee is actingi
a. Yes. sir.
O. DO you desire to hear them read
Hrainf
a. No. sir: DO not.
q. VIII you please state all YOU know,
Of your personal knowledge. about any
thing connected with this Investigations
A. j was summoned about some letters
j had written. which are before the COM
mittce. j came just to explain those
letters.
o. Go ahead then.
A. A. T. stated In one Of those letters.
30 was the general belief that money had
been furnished 20 De used i'm the election
for the purpose Of e~lecting delegates
favorable 20 Mr.. Martin. l stated that
/ had no doubt of il. but / could not
swear positively 90 II. I can tell YOU
what made me think so. if you want me
to. but l cannot swear 90 il positively. |
j saw the carpet-bag or grip-sack that ]
would bet anything contained money,
carried from Bristol 10 the chairman
OF the Democratic party in our county.
J did not see The money, but ? am sure
that IS what IL contained. and / can give
you the name Of the gentleman.
q. Who was the gentlemanf
A. W. NJ. Pitzer, OF Bristol. is the man
] saw on one or two occasions with his
grip-sack. and / am pretty sure it had
money I'm 10. although / could not see
FOO 10. IL was the general impression that
Dc was there. and the impression was that
30 came
SIR. Tredway: You need not state the
impression.
q. tBy Ahair): DO YOU want to see the
letters YOU wrote.
a. Yes. sir; / would like 10.
Letters shown TO witness. who con
tinuesj:
Yes. sir; ! wrote that letter. and will
stand up 10 10. and ! can get five hundred
men in my county 60 endorse st.
@. DO YOU know anything OF these mat
tcrs n your personal knowledge
A.. Not personally; l did not see the
money, only from the circumstance !
drew my conclusions, and they are salts
factory 10 me; / am satisfied, so Ear as
] ann concerned. that il is very clear.
They kept it very secret, one OF their
men told me.
@ What manf
A. The gentleman who managed the
campaign.
q. What 81 his name?
A. Mr.. Milton White. He Just told me
that they kept everything between them
selves.
O. tBy Mr.. Tredway): You were not In
political accord with those other gentle
men, We're youy
a. No sir; and 1 would like TO give my
Against Them.
O. Just wanted TO know whether you
We're with or against them.
a. / was against them.
=. you were against the Democratic
A Yes. sir. FOR the House. but with
'ne v'h'is We worked together.
- pS MI Downing: Are we here 10
N''''i'."to '"e reasons why gontlemen
party?
A. just wanted TO make a personal
eXpianauon OF my position in The mat
Ter, because it has been said ,bat he
longed 20 a ring. And / want 10 file this
have here Cor that purpose.
. by Mr.. Tredway: Is thar paper In
reference TO this issue
a. IL gives my reasons for not being
IN accord with the Democratic nominees
for the House In my county.
Mr.. Mushbach: II strikes me the com
mittee had better have an executive ses-
IlOa. and see hat IL in issue.
MIR. Downing. I would like 10 ask The
fentlcman from Alexandria IL il is true
hat we are investigating the election OF
senator for the United States, whether
mat carries with IL the issue as 10
whether Mr.. Litchheld was In accord with
.hc Democratic party or not.
Mr. Mushbach. 1 think IL does. MIR.
-ichheld wants 10 make a personal ex-