New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1893-12-11

as having ended and the question as TO whe,he e,
or not the Provisional Government lapsed In
consequence of failure 10 secure union VIII AZ
United States were clearly mctters oSc. VII.
neither the United States nor any 0''iei I p% no
having no proprietorship IN Ilawan couiu ue
termine.
HOW FAR PATERNALIsM NAY REACH.
Mr. Tnurston here made the point that 'he r.
lection by the United States of the oher OF an
nexaton from Hawaii put an END 10 an! anu a."
Jurisdiction over the islands. Aitao 'sh' ""'.e
pending a settlement Of the question OF acceP'-
ance or rejection Of his offer, Hawai- might nave
tolerated acts of paternalism Oh me part oi 'iic
United States Minister Thurston sald 'ha' '"e
rejection Of the offer dlvested th!s country Vi
whatever power jurisdiction II may nave pie-
viously enjoyed in the premises fau 'he '"9'
of annexation been accepted. Hawaii would have
naturally entered into the same relations WITH
this Government that held with other States
of the Union Such offer had not been accep.eu
and properly the relations between the TWO o"uI'
tries reverted to conditions IN lo.rs sa;G
1.-THE Provisional Government VIII endure u'itn
terms of union satisfactory 10 'nal osci'''"e"'
are negotiated with the United STATES uo, -.
In this connection Minister Thurston called at
tention to the fact that the destiny OF the EXIST
inc government was not SUBJECT lor 'ipi,i1
ton by the United states E'en assw an6 ,he
services OF the Bostons marines had been es,
sential factors In the revolution whicn resuIled
in the ascerdency to power of the PROVISIONAL
royornmnnt that Government could not right
fplly be held responsible or be punished 1or Ihe
acts Of Minister Stevens or Captain Nlltse me
proposed policy toward HaWan reant ,nat 'ia'
country was 10 suffer for the acts Of others. In
assuming TO pursue such a course the action Oh
the United States was unwarrhntable ana IN
lust The beneficiary of the revolution was III
no sense amcnabe to discipline OF restraint. IL
was without the political jurisdiction Oh the
United States.
TRYING TO ACT As AN UMPIRE.
Pressed by Minister ThurstCI for further IN
formation Secretary Gresham said that his
second reason for deciding adversely in the APP
neal of Hawaii for annexation TO the United
States was Intimately associated with the enc
already given 1t was that the abdlcaucn OF INC
Queen was made under the condition that sne
gave UP power pending settlement OF questions
involved at Washington. Now. Secretai! uieo
ham said a settlement at Washington has peeh
made 1t was one which was adverse 70 we
title Of the Provisional Government ana t h
nroDerty involved reverted consequently, 10 the
r.ghtfn claimant. To this process or reasoning
Mr. Thurston replied that the PROVISIONS uoa
eminent had never accepted the Sonoiei nn ~ "
abdicat!on OF the Queen as expressed i'll hei PIo-
test upon her forced retirement from power. Hei
protest had been received. Endorsed and nled Just
as that of deposed consul or minister "ouiu NC
dealt with by Secretary Gresham "
The Provisional Government had come INTO
existence by the force OF circumstances due 10
the acts of the Queen herself me Qusen W. W."
in no position to impose conditions OF apulc'tuoI'
and whatever she said or did was in no seise
binding on the actual Government OF laval ,
Her protest was similar to those OF inc frehcii
rovaiists on several occasions in the history OF
that country 1t was Of neither force nor eHec''
and in no manner bound the eXisuns goVe!n-
ment to abandon power upon decision oy ,ne
United States that the offer OF annexation was
unacceptable. 49,. ho.
Moreover Minister Thurston said that, what
ever the facts, the United states was no, al,
umpire in questions between the Queen anu ~.
existing government, as in quesuOhs Oh uit'
kind which arise in the affairs OF any hhue-
pendent sovereignty no foreign country can
rightfully exercise the prerogatves OF an UNI
pire cxceDt at the request of both parties inter-
ested Assuming the rights Of an umpire under
other circumstances is an act OF unWarran'doie
usurpat ton on the part Of the United States
Mr. Thurston said that the United states hau
not heen invited to arbitrate any questions
which might exist between LiluoKalahi anu te
Provisional Government. ana that lts VouIse
in doing was presumptlous IN the eN'iv c
The Hawaiian Minister made II clear 10 tne sec
rotary that his Government would resist 'i!e
restoration of Liliuokaani unless the physlcai
force of the United States was brought 10 her
, sunnort He assured the Secretary mat the
members and adherents of his Government wer"
not only conscious of the justice OF their cause
but that they had the courage OF their ccnNlc-
tons and the arms and ammunition WIN Whieh
to defend themselves
The second conference at the State Department
was a brief one. 1t related 10 iara,iioult
Blounts report which had been published IN the
press the day before In general way Minister
Thurston pointed out the Inconsistencies OF the
report and filed with Secretary Gresham
written answer to some Of the issues raised AZ
Wednesdays interview Mr.. Thurston demanded
IN he informed of the nature Of the Instructions
given and sent to Minister Willis. what the
reply Of Secretary Gresham was is SUI! cause
for much speculation. 1t is signhcant iact'
however that within few hours after the reply
was given Minister ThIrston started by the
most rapid route for Honolulu