New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1893-07-11

,1xFD BY Mr.. GLADSTONE AND LOST 2s0
TO GOETHE PARNELIITEs VOTE FOR
AN AMENDMENT. WHICH Is DE-
FEATEp. EXCLUDING TIE IRISH
ENTIRELY FROM THE CON-
MoNs-THE cLosURE
APPLIED.
london. July 1o-The discussion on the ninth
.,anse of the. Irish Government act which re-
Iates 10 the representation i'll the Imperial Para-
mont Of Irish counties and horouahs. began to-
aar in Committee Of the Whole of the House OF
Commons the Right Hon John W. Mellor in the
chair The hill provides for the retention OF
oirbtv Irish members in the Imperial Parliament
robn Redmond lParnclite member for Water
ford CITY. moved the adoption of an amendment
"a retain the Irish representation at its full pres
ont number-1O3 members.
Mr. Gladstone opposed the motion. The Gov
.rnmont lie said. could not go beyond giving
1rcland rerr sontation in accordance with the pro-
rortion Of her population compared with that
of Great Britain.
Sir William Vernon HaIcourt, Chancellor of The
Eycheouer. said that it was open to the House
70 arrive at what decision il pleased. The gen
oral Home Rule plan did not depend upon Irish
representaton in the Imperial Parliament.
J. Balfour the leader of the Opposition in
.ho Uousc objected TO the Ministers evadn9 re-
snonsibility, as hc asserted they were attempting
70 do The question of Irish representation in tie
Imperial Parliament he said, was OF the hrst
Importance.
joseph Chamberlain, the Libera-C Cnionst lcader'
taunted Mr.. Gladstone with leaving the matter Ill
the hands of the House. that the position OF
the Cabinet might not be prejudiced If the matter
&lx1N Nfntsf
A division taken on the amendment resulted in
,,s defeat bv a vote of $50 TO 266. The announce
ment of the result was greeted with cheers by the
Liberals.
Edward Heneage Cnonist Member fer Grcat
Grinsby. moved an amendnnent to the effect that
the Irish be excluded entirely from the House of
Commons
Mr.. Gladstone replied that the retention of the
Irish members would prove the means OF feassur-
ing doubters as 10 the experiment of Home Kule
Mr.. Chamberlain said in favor of the amend
ment that the retention OF the Irish members
would render it possible that at any time they
might support vote of want OF confidence ana
thus cause the fall of the existing Government
Mr. Chamberlain referred to the bill as COM
plete fraud
Mr. Balfour warned the Government that the
retention of the Irish members would result proba-
bly, in the endless discussion Of Irish afairs ny
tbe Honse In case the bill should pass, 1t
would be an advantage tor the Government 10
have the Irish outside Imperial Parliament 50 thai
the best opportunity might he given Tor the
smooth working of the measure.
Mr.. Gladstone. amid derisive Opp position cheers;
moved the closure. It carried by vote oil
24l 10 21l. , -
The division on the amendment caused CON
adorable excitement. as il was reported that the
Radicals as well a. the ParnellteS wer, likely
n 60 with the Opposition The only Radical
who voted against the Government, however, was
Henry Labouchere ~,
pornallifas fulfilled expectations by supporting
the amen dmsnt The ouly exception was Timothy
Harrington who was absent. The McC arthylt'S
supported the Government Inc result war uc
rejection Of the amendment by vote of 240 TO
eo9 The committee then rose and the House
adjourned