The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1893-12-25
RECEPTION AT THE VATICAN
Special DispensatiOn i'm the Matter
Of Informal Ceremony.
Eloquent Language of the Great Cath
Ollie on the Subject of Labor and
Capital the World Over.

from Rome, criticised Mr.. Depew for the
speech he made at Chicago during the fair,
when the orator had severely handled the
church in regard to its policy in this coun-
try. MIR. Depew,' said the paper referred
to- will get the cold shoulder should he
ever come TO Rome again." In regard to
the attitude of the paper Mr.. Depew said
he did not care what its correspondent had
to say. Life was too short, he said to no
tice such trifles. Then Mr.. Depew began
to tell of his trip, and gave his views on
Europe and Europeans generally.
II did Rome in four days." he said. "vis-
tied Pompeii, Naples and Vesuvius. In Pom
peii saw some curious things that had been
taken out of the ruins. On one of the faces
of the well-preserved bodies 1 noticed a
drunken leer. Evidently the man was under
the influence Of wine when the city was
overwhelmed, for the smile was still there
just the same as it was two thousand years
ago. L wanted to see the Pope, and was
told that he could give no private audiences.
His time is too much occupied with the af-
fairs of the church all the world over
But on the evening Of the day my letter
was sent the Bishop of northern New York
called to say that the Pope would see me
in private the next day at u o'clock. re-
my knowledge of the language was limited
/ regarded the present pontiff as the more
progressive ard more in touch with the
spirit of various countries, and especially
the United States, and 1 thought the con-
vsrsation might rum upon difficult prob
lens and delicate subjects.
"During the half hour / waited the Pope
sent out monsignor to entertain me. He
txlC oh 1irlcr II
would be the ceremonial for me. He said
the universal rule was for those presented
to fall on their knees and kiss the Pope's
hand on the papel ring, but my ap-
pointment was unusual and 1 was Prot
estant, he would inquire. The answer
showed the exquisite tact of the Pope.
1.-THE Holy Father" said the monsignor,
directs that in your case the ceremony
shall be precisely the same as if you had a
private audience with the President of the
United States" AS 1 entered the audience
chamber the Pope arose, came half across
the room shook me cordially by the hand
requested me to be seated, and then re-
sumed the papal chair. With the memory
of Mr.. Gladstone who is nine months his
junior, in my mind, 1 studied him earnestly,
especially in view of the reports OF his
feebleneSs. He certainly is vigorous as
the great English statesman. He had been
in constant audience since s O'clock in the
morning, and it was then 1 o'clock The
questions presented came from all parts of
the world, and were mainly on appeals to
him"
NO NEW DOCTRINE.
"The substance of it's meaning was that in
his encyclical he had stated nothing new.
The principles laid down had always been
the doctrine OF the church. The times, how
ever, with the troubles existing and grow
ing more acute everywhere, demanded that
they be given thought and attention. The
right of man to his legally acquired prop
erty had always been recognized. II was
the basis Of the social system. Labor and
capital are inseparable. Labor has rights
which nobody must ignore, but labor must
recognize the rights of capital. The church
had always recognized the doctrine OF tie
fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of
man. We all came from the same heavenly
Father, ard all, whatever our condition or
circumstance in this world, stand equal be-
fore Him and are equally accountable to
Him for ourselves and for conduct toward
our neighbor.
zone delegate told me that the Pope took
the paper out Of his hands and read of HIM
self. The Pope expressed TO me in very COM
plimentary phrases his pleasure at seeing
me, his knowledge of my position and life
the sights and treasures of the Eternal City
and carry away pleasant memories and
soon visit IL again.
81 told him that many thousand members
of his church We're in the employ of the
company of which 1 was the president and
it would be q great qualification TO them
when l returned for me to be able to tell
them of the head of their church, whom
they so profoundly revered. In a few min
,ttac In mi n a
and instructive conversation on property, its
rights and duties, of capital and labor, of
employer and employees. l said thai his
encyclical on that subject was in accord
with the opinion OF the American people,
| and that l had made it the text of an ad-
dress a year ago to body or Catholic stu
dents at Catholic college.
Then came a splendid exhibition Of the
old man eloquent The Pope pressed to the
presented the appearance and vivacity Of
| fifty years instead of eighty-five.
Nearly ten minutes he spoke and in
clearness, directness. force and fervor. 1t
was one of the most eloquent and impress
sive utterances to which had ever listened.
| 1t is a misfortune that it could not have
| been taken down as it was spoken, but any
report written would have lacked the fire,
magnetism and all its delicacy.
1.-The Pope made inquiries about America.
| / told him that at New York everything
| which happened there stood in the same re-
lation to the rest of the country as London
| TO Great Britain and Paris TO France Thus
| il was that more than usual prominence
| was given to anything done or said by his
| representative there, Archbishop Corrigan.
1.-THE Pope blessed a few simple articles
| of piety / had with me TO gladden. the
| Christmas or New Years of some Catholic
| friend when they know that they were di-
| rect from the hands Of the Pontiff and We're
blessed by him. / was afraid of wearying
| him and arose to go. He took my hand and
! said that he had the profoundest respect
| and admiration and love for the United
| States and wished l would tell American
| people that he was much Impressed with
| the worlds fair and had done all he could
| to help; that he was much pleased and graf
| fled 10 learn that L was always fair kind
| and considerate for the employees of our
| company. and that / had never made any
distinction between those OF the Catholic
! faith and others. He also expressed his
] qualification when L told him of Archbishop
/ Corrigan.
'Thus ended for me one Of the most pleas
ant meetings with one of the most remark
/ able men OF the age. He is one OF the few
| men who are still active and vigorous long
| after the allotted span of life. The others
| are Gladstone and Bismarck. The Pope
| sent a message to me, but / received IL
| when / could not return TO the Vatican.
! The Vatican looks to Americans with more
| interest and attention in view of the rapid
| ly increas sing spread of socialism and other
theories her great field OF the future"
! Mr.. Depew also saw King Humbert, but