Morning journal and courier., 1893-04-15
NEWS BY ltltGRlPh.
 From All Quarters. ROACH CASE DISCUSSED. The Senators Indulge in a
 Spirited Debate. DR. WOLFE IS THE FIRST WITKEss. The Defense Opens in the
 Buchanan Trial. ARE WILLING TO COMPROMISE. Increasing Opposition to
 the Army Bill.
DR. WOLFE IS THE FIRST WITREss.
ARE WILLING TO COMPROMISE.
IN LIVELY SESSION.

IN A LIVELY SESSION.
 Senators Chandler and vorhees De-
 bate the Roach Case-The Latter Becomes Indignant at Some or the Remarks That Were made-Senator Platr Announced That He Would Speak on she Case.
 l WASHINGTON, April 14.-In the senate to-day after 1t was agreed to have action taken on the resolutions for an investigs- ton of the claim of MT. Addy as senator from Kansas, and for @ visit to Arizons, | New Mexico, Utah and Oklahoma to ascsr- | tain their fitness for admission as states, Senator Chandler proceeded with his argu- ment, which consisted largely of 8 history of English and American pressdents bear | ing on the Roach case. He said that it ! was possible to defeat MT. Hoar's resolu- 1 ton only by laying down the rule that no | matter what crime may have been commit 1 ted by person occupying a seat in the senate-under whatever circumstances of atrocity or otherwise-it is not within the constitution, or power of the senate, even to instruct a committee to make an inves- tigation into the facts and circumstances of that conduct or of that crime. He claimed that the prsoedents established the fact that expulsion from parliamentary body can be based upon acts committed before the accused person had become member. MT. Chandler said he should have re- trained from making any statements of facts in the case had it not been for the fact that senators had given notice that 1t would be investigated. He did not think that the senate would ever put itself on record as making declaring of the con- stitutional principle that there is no power, under any circumstances, to investigate the conduct of senator bsfore his cleo tion.
 For the facts in the case MT. Chandler referred to articles in the Now York Re. corder, the New York Sun, the Philsdel- phia Press and the Washington Evening comptroller of the currency, and he asked whether, if those facts were as stated (and they had not been denied), the character of the offence was not sufficient to demand an investigation.
 Here, he said, was a grave breach of trust alleged, an embe zzlement on the part of an officer of national bank. He be- Heved that if there was anything neees- sary for the prosperity of this country it was that breaches of trust should be com mensurately punished.
 The question concerned the widows and orphans of the country who invested their money in the stock of national banks, and every bank dedication brought misery and destitution on that class. He believed that there was nothing that go much united man to act as @ sena- tor as the fact that he had been @ defAulter in either @ public or a private trust. He claimed thac the sub stitute proposed was simply intended to exl, sion, in the hope that something might turn up that would relieve Mir. Roach of the necessity of an authentic explanation of the facts in the case. He did not be- lieve 1t would be seriously affirmed by the senate that although 8 man might be ex- pelled from the senate for burglary or murder or forgery the sacred sgis of the constitution would bs thrown around @ man If he had committed one of those crimes the day before his election. MT. Chandler quoted the vice president taking the chair to preside over 1t, as be- ing the most august deliberative body known to men, and said that the deter mination of the pending question in the negative would show that those words were mere sarcasm and mockery.
 MT. Vorhees replied to MT. Chandler. He said that senators were officers of the states Could not the states be trusted to send proper men to the ssnstes Hampshire, who constituted himself the inquisitor general, the states were to be subject to the imputation that | they were not to be trusted, ex- cept under the supervising power of the senate. Such doctrine was at war with | the dignity of the government, the dignity of the states and the principle of self-gov | hok the representatives of other ststes would be better employed in minding their own business than in criticising the action of | state in choosing its senator. The senator | from North Dakota during ali these four teen and fifteen years had been subject to the laws and never sought to evade them, and yet no indictment had been found against him. The parties said to have been inj ured by him had no word or com plaint sgMnst him. He desired the coun- try to know that, on his side of the cham ber, they would investigate within the limits of the constitution and not beyond them.
 MT. Hoar asked MT. vorhees to define
 exactly his meaning.
 MT. voorhees-'I take the position that
 an unfit senator may be imposed upon the
 senate-though 1t has not been done for
 over 8 century; but that, If state should ' o
 misfortune of that state, and I find no
 power given to us to organize ourselves
 into 8 tribunal in morals and try him for
 his offences. I may join the senator from | Massachusetts in supposing that such an
 embarrassment may rise; but that w7uld
 be less of difficulty and more tolerable to good government than 1t would be to claim
 the power to try the senator from Massa-
 chusetts, or to try the senator from 1ndi- ko$ $~x, ako Noxu poro
 shire for all that has been alleged against
 him. Laughter and applause in the gal
 lsries
 'I have heard alleged of the senator
 from New Hampshire very grave and uglJ
 things. I have heard men say that while
 he was secretary of the navy he built thres
 or four ships which made but one trip
 and that was to the bottom of the sea
 [Mors laughter in the gallery hsv'
 heard 1t alleged that the contractors re
 tired from their work rich, contented ant
 infamous. Does the senator from Nev
 Hampshire believe that these matter
 should be taken out of newspapers ant
 that any senator should, without 8 word O testimony, rise nere and arrsign him , ! What a spectacle is presented to-day of
 great party being ailent on the subject o
 the alleged sins of member; while tn
 moment that speck can be found on any ! e>>N h clamor as did the Pharisees of old, whel . the Saviour said to them: Take the bear out of your own eye, so that you can SC '- to take the mote out of your brother eye.'
 ,. "The senator from New Hampshir
 would turn this body into the most COT temptible conclave of inquisitorial proces y that the world has ever seen. The senate
 from North Dakota may have suffered mi o fortune, but he has returned among thos whom ne is said to have injured, withor , single claim bsing made against hin q Commend me to man who has led . Ill 1T of that sort. will take him with all h v faults before will t'ke for my guide th 5- philosophers on the other side of u
 chamber who set themselves up as inquis l. tors into every mans life but their own
 MT. Hansbrough testified to the goo
 qualities and high reputation of MT. Roae for the ten or twelve years that he has T ', sided in Dakota. He then complained D. interviews and statements published in 'e St. Paul and Minneapolis paper dispara n ing to himself, and he asked Hr. Gormi
 whether he had any papers bearing up'