The morning call., 1892-05-08

ing a bill through the Legislature, but never
understood that he was to use two-thirds Of
what he might gel for lobby services.
The witness knew of no agreement by
which Perine was to be paid $40 day
while in Sacramento, but he was to be paid
SO a trip to Napa while supervising the
erection Of statuary at the Napa Asylum
for the Insane, for which the Leg stature
afterward apprOpria ted the S664 which has
caused all the trouble. The agreement to
pay him $40 trip was supposed to be con-
cluded when the work was completed.
81 had a conversation with Perine after
the bill was put through" said the witness,
"and he told me that ne paid One-third OF
the S6624 to Higgins, 0ne-third to Buckley,
and that the other third was pretty nearly
eaten up. He did not intimate to me then
that he had any claim against the company
above the one-third of the appropriation
which he had appropriated to himself. The
company did not owe Mr.. Perine or any one
else a cent after the lastdivideni was paid"
did you not know that Higgins and
Buckley were partners in securing leglsla-
tiOn ?" asked Attorney Graves
Only from Mr. Perine'S statement"
did you not know that Buckley and Hig-
gins had regulations as lobbyists queried
Attorney Borden.
That was their general reputation"
did you not know that Higgins reputa-
ton was that OF man who would not hesi-
tate 20 use improper means 10 get a Dill
through the Legislature, that he would agree
to influence legislation for a compensation 2"
Before the witness answered the question
Attorney Borden said that ne expected to
show afterward that the employment of
lobbyists by Perine was not legal, as it was
opposed to public policy, and therefore a
claim for money paid on account Of it could
not be made against the company
The witness then answered that he
thought Higgins was man who would OF
scruDle to use any means to influence legis-
lation.
WITH LEGISLATORS.
did YOU ever have any experience get
ting bin through the Legislature ?" asked
Attorney Borden.
''Jnst one"
The attorney then asked whether he had
employed a lobbyist or whether he had paid
any money, but both questions we're ruled
out. Borden stated in reference TO his rea-
sons for asking the questions that he ex-
pected ii he could prove that many bills had
with the assistance of lobbyists been passed
eheaply he could show that the alleged pay
ments of Perine were enormous.
Referee Mcguire thought the court could
not assume to go into motives of legislatures,
as the motives of legislature must be as
sumed 10 be honest. Judge McKisck added
that he could show by decisions of the
United States Supreme Court and the Su-
preme Court of this State that contracts
with Lobbyists were not against public policy.
Attorney Borden did not think so and
wanted to argue the point, but Referee Ma
guiTe said il would not help the case as it
would neither narrow nor widen il.
Nothing new was developed on cross-eX-
animation by Attorney Graves, except that
when witness talked TO Perine after passage
Of The bill the latter said he had not yet re-
ceiyed the money from the State.
The afternoon was taken up by the testi-
Il Nv f1hlSHOlm | n Il
Booth and l.. A. Booth, all directors of the
company. They were all examined by At
toTney Borden on the same line of
questions put to Mr. Emory, aud their
testimony varied but very little from
his. They were all positive that
Perine had no just counter claim against
the company for $4,000, as he had been paid
in full before the liquidation of the company.
All were positive that Perine was not
authorized by them to go to Sacramento in
the interest of the BILL and all testified that
Perne had Informed them that he had paid
two-thirds Of the appropriation to Buckley
and Higgins and used the other third him
self for expenses. They all knew Higgins
and Buckley to be by general reputation
INSCRIPTIONS lobbyists. Mr.. Beaver created
a little merriment when asked whom he un-
dersioOd Perine to designate when he spoke
Of Higgins and Buckley by answering in
familiar tones, william and Christopher"
The taking of the testimony Of an absent
witness was continued until Monday morn
ing in order to give Mr.. Perine chance to
catch train Tor Chi cage in the evening.