The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1892-08-21
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showing what the amount was belonging to
tho order in that ban XII"
THAT was offered by Mr.. YounRhusbaud.
chairman of the board OF trustees. and was
handed back to him. l. have not seen II"
What 10 the difference between volun-
tary assessment and an involuntary oneW
1--WE call an assessment, and If a member
doesn't pay he lapses. il voluntary 1t
would be a contribution. and they could
not be suspended for failure TO pay"
This voluntary assessment was to re-
place this gift to the bankf"
"Yes, SIR"
"Was there any paper presented to the
Supreme Sitting showing this S170.000 WAS
gift from the supreme body to the Mutual
mo. sir. There was a resolution offered
by DIR. Irwin that the supreme body indorse
the action of Supreme Cashier Davis in
placing the money in that bank. 1t was
approved without debate and sent to the
committee on banking"
When did you first hear about this $780,
600 being gift to the bank in Philadel-
phiai'
when the executive committee met this
last time. think the supreme justice stated
it was q gift or donation to the bank. /
knew the money had been taken down
there"
that it was giftf
mo, sir; that statement was made by
Somerby in an address before the SUI
preme Sitting: and not before tho execu-
lis it not fact that Hayes. secretary of
the board of trustees and who signs this
paper of Mr.. Davis AS trustee. and also in
receiving the $4,000 signs as an officer of
it was necessary for his personal protec-
ton that this matter should be passed on
by this Supreme Sitting and declare it to
be giftF
IL never saw itn
AS supreme accountant on are secretary
of the Supreme Sitting and have charge of
the minutes and records. Have you
book in which is recorded the several con-
stitutions that have been adopted from
time to time by the order"
mr.. SomerDy gets mp the constitution
book referring to the little manual called
primer or yellow back by Mr.. Hawkins
believe We have copy of the original
constitution in q book like that"
NO RECORD MADE.
''Is it q fact that the minutes Of the ses-
sion of 1891, which made very important
amendment TO the constitution. changing
the meetings of the governing body from
every two years to every four years, have
never been written upi"
There was never record of that meeting
prepared and distributed To the branches
and membership. Considerable of the min
| utes of that meeting were taken down by
Mr.. Evans (Mr. SOmerby's stenographer),
and copy of those were never given to
me. Before Mr.. Somerby left spoke to
him about tho minutes He said there was
good deal in there that ought not to
be printed; that there was no hurry,
and when he got back he would 60 through
them. A resolution had been passed that
| the proceedings of this special session be
| approved without reading SO far as they
| are in accord with the call of the supreme
Justice. but that any other matters be
stricken out" Iii,
What was your understanding about
| the striking QUIT"
Il understood at the time 1t referred to
the increase of salary"
Mr.. Hawkins withdrew his last question,
| and the answer was stricken out.
Here Is document signed by several
| gentlemen. in which they pledge themselves
not to divulge anything unless 1t is deemed
advisable by the supreme justice for them
| to do So When did you sign thatf"
Il do not remember when l signed it. or
| who presented it for my signature. The
writing looks like that of }. Henry Hayes.
but l could not say positively it is bis.
| The resolution was adopted"
What did Somerby say to you about
| preparing these minutes of the Supreme
| Sitting of 1691W
He said they were not to be printed;
| that he would put In a circular such matter
| as he wanted to 60 to the branches"
How many active branches are therei,
There are 1,0I0 or 1850"
How do you determine the number of
| assessments to be made on the member
shipp
1.-The supreme Justice regulates that. The
/ first of the year &c Is determined how many
| assessments will be made during the year,
| Fifteen have been called since the first Of
| January; fourteen of them have been paid.
| The fifteenth is due now"
How many members have lapsed in
1s9Of'
There were e.S97, but that doesn't show
| whether they went IN o year ago or five
years. We can find that out and count
| them up"
Have there been any. warrants issued
for which thcre were no biilsW
Mr.. Somerby, whore he has not given bill
| or list of items. He said it was for legis-
lative expenses"
WHERE THE CHARTER FEES GO. 70
"Have you any record of charter fees re.
| ceivedi"
ut goes to the deputy. except by special
| arrangement There are persons out insti-
| tuting branches. Thomas Scorer is at st.
Paul, Minn., and w. A. Rice is at present
| in the State of Maine. He was In Massa-
| chusetts for six or seven months / believe
| be has been In Maine for three months.
| There is no contract signed by Rice In my
office. / have notice of contract with
him issued by Somerby. and also of one
| with Scorer. The notices all show what
| the arrangement is The branch pays it
| and the deputy collects 1t and keeps &c or
| turns 1t over to the supreme cashier"
The questioner then Intercepted the wit
ness as to lapses
1--WE find q man that has been in four
| years is apt to remain. We consider him
stable member At five years we grant him
the privilege of taking ont another certifi-
cate. class b"
1.-The lapses are most of them In the first
three yearsP
Eyes SIR
"The members who will be finals in 1892
| are those who came into the order In 1855.
| How many came In in 1857
-Four thousand one hundred aud ninety
nine"
"Can You tell the mum Der Of certificates
| you will have maturing in 1927
"Yes sir; 2.492 for the entire year. We
| will have to pay on these s.. S49. 6S5 IN final
| benefits, after making deductions"
| How many came into the order In 1857"
''Seven Thousand. nine hundred and thir-
| ty-three."
| "How many of these are now active or
we're on the Let of January of this yearin
| -Four thousand, seven hundred and
| forty-eiQht There will BIO due 70 these in