The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1892-06-07
the same thing as | told Mr.. Wilcox.

Mr.. Creighton-Who by? A. By the
scullions and hangers-on.
Mr.. HartwelI-Anyone in particular ?
A. Yes, sir, | was told by couple oil
soldiers and Kanui and Sam Nowlein at
the Elele Office, where was the central
office OF the Palace to the people.
Mr.. Creighton-Toldb by Sam Nowlein ?
A. Yes, sir.
Mr.. Hartwell-Told these thingso A.
Yes, sir, at the Elele Office in town, at
different times.
y. And you opposed the suggestion
and advocated legislative measures ? A.
Legislative, legal and constitutional. l
was also told that the Queen wishes to
regain the prorogatiyes of the sovereign,
OF her brother, that he had lost in 1887
| U. BY whom was that said? 4. That
was told me by Kanui.
z. Who is he? A. don't know; he
is a messenger from the Elele office to
the Palace; he is man that commune
Gates with the people.
| u. What did you say to him? A.
said to him it would not be a very wise
course to do SO; it would be injury to life
and property of this nation.
+. Q. You attended several of the meet
ings of the League? A. Yes, sir, l did /;
attended several of them.
q. Was anything ever said at the meet
ing by Wilcox, or by anybody present
there that you know, about your League
using any force against the Queen. A.
| No, sir, there was not word said of any
force used at any OF the meetings.
q. Was anything ever said against
her there? A. No, sir, everything was
in favor of her
O. You heard the language quoted by
| the witness Nawaakoa last week, what
have you to say if anything about that :?
A. There was great deal OF it that was
falsehood
Q. What portion of Nawaakoa's testi-
| mony do you criticize as false2 A. All
that which pertains to the producing of
firearms or procuring firearms or to de-
throne the Queen or the Queens Gov
eminent.
Q. What measures were discussed or
contemplated at any of the meetings
A. Well, the principle objects of the
meeting was to obtain equal rights for
the Kingdom of Hawaii.
@. In what manner? A. Legal and
constitutional.
@. Was anything said in your hearing
by anybody about a purchase OF pistols?
A. No, sir.
@. Or of an order? A. No, sir.
Q. Do you know whether any one
present at any of these meetings carried
pistol? A. Yes, sir.
Q. Who? A. George Nawaakoa.
q. Did anyone else that you know A.
L didn't see any one else.
Q. Did he himself say anything on the
subject OF pistols or firearms? A. Yes,
sir, he did.
n yUbo&0 III ;nJ,oaJ nm o,1
members of this organization to procure
pistols to prevent in case that We were
arrested by the police.
@. Now, at the first meeting what was
said and done, the first meeting that you
attended? A. The first meeting that l
attended at Col. Ashford's residence and
he asked me would join this organiza-
ton, the Hawaiian Patriotic Association.
l asked him under what circumstances,
he told me that we wanted to procure
equal rights in the Kingdom of Hawaii
and to ward off the Constitution which
the Queen intended to promulgate before
or during the session of the Legislature.
The Court-Who was it who said that,
which one was it that told you that? A.
Ashford told me.
Q. And what did you say to that? A, l
toldhim l would do anything and join any
organization as long as there is no fire.
arms to be used, 1 would join any
organization legally and constitutionally
under the laws of this Kingdom. AS he
asked me told him 1 would consent.
@. Was anything said by anyone at
any one OF those meetings about any
attack upon the palace? A. No, sir,
there was not wori said in any of the
meetings.
@. Then what kind OF club was this
A. This club?
@. Or Hui? A. Well, it was an asso-
citation, Hawa; ian patriotic association.
Q. To accomplish what? A. To accom-
plish equal rights and to ward off the
constitution which the Queen intended
to promulgate.
particularly? A. Equal rights in the
Kingdom of Hawaii, legally, constitu-
tionally.
@. 1 mean equal rights concerning
what particular matters? A. That is the
franchise.
Q. An equal franchise? A. Eq1al fran
chise, one man one vote.
Q.-You have spoken of Sam Now
lein, who is he? A-The Captain of the
Household.
Q.-Where was this conversation with
you, at the Elele office? Ayes, sir,
outside the Elele office.
Q.-What was the proposition def
nitely that he made as nearly as you can
recollect it? A-That the Queen wishes
to promulgate new Constitution, and
he asked me what thought of it.
Q.-State all that you recollect of that
conversation of Nowlein's? A-And l
told him that it would not be very wise
course if the Queen intended
Mr.. Hartwell.-Anything further in
that talk you recollect? A-And he also
told me that in case that the new Consti-
tuition should be promulgated that the
leaders and the committee of the Consti-
tuition OF 1887 would be arrested.
Mr.. Creighton.-Would be arrested!
Ayes, sir, would be arrested. He also
proposed to me that in one of the decis-
ions of the Chief Justice of this Court, he
said that treason that is victorious is not
treason. He also said that if the new
constitution be promulgated and en-
forced therefore the Constitution, that is
of 1887, would not be- would be- that
it would be lost, and it is treason then.
OIL don't understand what you
mean, what is it?
that constitution Of 1887 would be liable
for treason? Ayes, sir, would be liza
bic for treason, prosecution, arresting.
AFTERNOON SESSION.
George Markham recalled for further
Mr. Hortuol1-Vou xuora co;Dr ~,