The Irish standard., 1892-04-02

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opinion has he no good points? Yes, hi
will fight hard for what he believes to be
right; and gold being his god, he fought
hard to save it; and am not sure he
would not have won the fight had it moi
been for the PRESSURE brought to bear or
him by Jour eminence. 1t is my opinion
that the endeavors of the lord mayel
had no effect or influence whatever OF
him. (Another long pause.) The cardi
nal relapsed into study again, which
did not consider proper to interrup but
looking at me again he asked;. DO you
think the poor dock workers have bet
tered their condition permanently?
Permanently, I am doubtful; for the
time being, undoubtedly yes; but for the
future many things are at work to their
detrimen..' what things are they!
:Thelr own shortsightedness and their il
ability to choose officials from their own
class of workers; by their ahortsighted-
ness they are losing the good will and
support of other labor unions, Another
pause; then turning to me, he suddenly
asked: What is your opinion OF Mr.
Mann?' MY opinion OF Mr.. Mann is
that had he returned to his own employ
ment after the great dock strike, he
would then be in his right place; but in
appointing himself as an official of the
dockers, knowing nothing whatever OF
the dockers' requirements, he did radi-
cally wrong, as the docksrs will know to
their COST but it will then be too late;
they were so elated With succe>s that
they became blind to the means by
which that success was attained, aud in
stead of strengthening themselves, by
acquiring the means by which their bat
tie was won, they have run, as it were,
headlong into the vortex Of ingratitude,
and so alienated themselves from all out
side help in; tho future. Such q state
would never have arrived had they ap-
pointed their fellow worknen as officials.
'Mr. Smith, yon are drawing very sad
picture; I am myself sorry for the poor
people; hut let us nope The sad part of
the picture will not come 30 pass, though
the clouds look very threatening. Poor
people lThis was continual express
sion.) The burden of the poor is hard
'tof them to bear; they shonad try to hear
their burdens with all meekness, and
with all charity, locking forward to fu~
ture state Of happiness, when all our bur-
dens will be removed, and care and
trouble forgotten; tits sad, sad world,
but the troubles are acquired, not ap-
pointed
ss,Ee .ssEIe seemed to be talking to himself, for
ihe$was talking very low, and then he re-
Iapsed into silence again, as if he YVES
holding communion with himself. AT or
some minutes had elapsed, he looked up,
and asked what my opinion of strikes
was. I answered, shat striking was only
another name for agitating, and although
agitation in the past had undoubtedly
done good service to the working classes
generally, yet the present requires diff.
ferent system to that adopted in the
past; for myself, I do not hold with
strikes, as they are carried out in the
present day, I have an idea that as edu-
cation and civilization advances, SO ought
trade disputes take another form. be-
lieve that strikes are unnecessary, and
very injurious to the working communi-
ty. and that all trade disputes should be
settled by arbitration I believe SO my
SELF said his emipence; Il don't think
strikes benefit the poor, they drive the
trade from the country, and other nations
reap the benefit. Then / understand
you do not believe in striking yourself?'
Il do not; have been in many strikes,
and I have seen many more, but / have
not seen any permanent good yet done
by striking, In strike of any magni-
tude a few get the wheat, but the multi
tude get the straw Just SO, just so 7
@ his eminence; ana then he
arose, which i took as sign, our inter
view was ended. And was right, for,
standing erect with his hands raised, he
gave me his blessing, and bid me good
night, and started to leave the room; and
I commenced to leave the way l had
come, when he turned back and said:
Mr.. Smith, I think I had better show
you the way OUT oh, no, your emil
nenue, surely you need not take that
trouble; I am sure can find my way 4
think not; we often have people lose
themselves here With that, he went in
front with an activity that would shame
some of our young men; and, when we
got to the stone stars, where there
seemed to be several openings, he smiled
and said to me: This is where they al
ways lose themselves then he bid me
good night and ] saw him no more. As
soon as I got outside, looked at my
watch, and I had been one hour and q
half in the building; fifteen minutes per-
haps in waiting, that made one hour and
q quarter we were in conversation. What
L have stated here may not exactly be
word for word, but the whole is true in
substance, and have stated all the main
questions discussed as far as my memory
serves. II have done my best to write
what took place as correctly az my MEM
ory will permit, without adding one jot
81 fiction AZ q polish; and though to us
his body Is dead, yet will his great, mag
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