The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1892-06-07

10 take the oaln do so. AND IL there IL
any conflict during the taking of the
oath, to stop and to explain, to ask the
reasons, and where there was no conflict
in the oath, everything went on as usual,
so everyone joined willingly and will
| fully.
Q-Was any statement made by Ash
ford at the meeting, at any OF these
meetings as to the methods by which the
object OF the association was to be carried
out and accomplished? At was to be
accomplished through the Legislature.
Q-Do you mean that that Is what he
| said himself? A-Yes, sir, that is what
| he said himself.
Q-Was it translated? Ayes, sir,
| it was translated.
Q.-By whom? A-By Mr.. Wilcox.
Puhili sworn: was arrested at Kikihale
| two weeks ago Sunday by policeman ;
| they took me for one of the conspirators
and was taken to the Station House with
out warrant; saw the haole with the
| spectacles at the Station along with
Wilson and Nawaakoa; they wanted
me to be witness for the
Crown; l told them that attended
two meeting, the first at BIZ
pikape's and the second at Theresa's !;
they asked me If the Hui had guns and l
answered no; was allowed to go but
was sent for on the following Wednes-
| day by a policeman and went to the Sta
ton again when saw Rosa and the man
with the spectacles; l answered again
that they had no guns; the man with
spectacles put in his statement some
| thing about guns that | did not say !;
Rosa and the Marshal were present at
the time; told Kenyon that would
swear to God that had made no such
statement; the man with spectacles in
sisted that [ did make such statement
in to him Rosa told me when you APP
pear before that Court, and anyone who
tells falsehood is liable to be arrested
by the Marshal-the man who would
tell the falsehood would either be shot or
hung; the following Thursday l was
questioned again and was told again by
Rosa if did not tell the truth | would
be shot or hung; he told me the same
thing on the next Saturday; on another
occasion was told again that the decis-
ion of the Court would shoot or hang me
il did not tell the truth; the man with
spectacles asked me if / went to meet
ings and | answered yes, naming the two
instances; on the first Sunday there was
nothing said about guns, and on the next
Wednesday Spectacles had statement
written out that made me mention it
although did not; did not have any
thing to drink at the Station House with
the exception of the first Sunday; at the
meetings the objects were explained as
love Of country and tOuphold the throne.
Cross-examined: did not hear any,
body talk of new constitution at the
meetings; l took the oath; was present
at meeting in a house in Printers
Lane; saw Wilcox there with number
of others; did not hear anything about a
new constitution at that meeting; did
not hear anything about equal rights;
did not make any remark about gunsat
the Station House, althc@sa,h some other
portions of the statema@iE was correct;
Rosa told me that the Marshal had a
right to arrest me for perjury and that
might be shot or hung for the offense;
1 am telling the truth now.
Rosa read the following and asked the
witness if he made the remark: "Wilcox
said that if they did not get the new con-
stitution through We would get it by force
of arms"
The witness denied making the state
ment. Rosa said at the Station House
"you must do the straight thing or you
will be arrested by the Marshall" l was
inundated by Antoine Rosa and was
afraid OF being hung or shot; present at
this talk were Rosa, the Marshal and the
man with the spectacles; have been con-
victed of being drunk and other ofenses,
and was pardoned of a charge of larceny
while member of the household guards;
was examined four times in all at the
Station House.
Baloka sworn: went to one of the meet
ings at Ashford's and to another at Bipi-
kane's; don't remember the time; I'M
derstood the objects of the Hui to be love
of the throne, love of the people, etc
new constitution that would treat all
alike to be introduced in the Legislature
by Wilcox; nothing was said about guns,
pistols or force to be used there was no
such talk at any meeting; only attended
two meetings.
Cross examined: joined the Hui of his
own accord and heard that equal rights
were the objects; Wilcox stated the OBJ
iects of the meeting; Ashford was pres
ent; one of the main objects was to get
an equal constitution; took the oath at
one meeting only; did not hear Wilcox
say what they would do if they were I'M
successful in gaining new constitution.
Manuel Espinda sworn: attended one
meeting; don't remember the month it
was in, April, think, and it took place
at Bipikane's; don't remember what
Ashford said and don't remember any
mention made about the Queen or guns.
Cross-eXamined: sometimes work for
the Union Feed Co.. went to Bipikane's
because saw crowd of people going
in nobody told me that a meeting was
to be held there; did not know Bipikane !;
when arrived at the house heard Will
cox explaining to the crowd the objects
of the Hui; they were for equal rights
and love of country, ETC.. do not remem-
Der the oath at the meeting nothing
was said about the Queen or the promul-
CATION of new constitution; was at the
meeting but short time.
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