Pittsburg dispatch. [volume] (Pittsburg [Pa.]) 1880-1923, 1892-11-20
THE AFTERN DON SESSION.
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the Captain of the little Bill Saw.
The afternoon sessi- IN commenc.d with m.
of W. Ii. Burt, the
-e4ttorney Bremen was in the
Brn rnnsn-yon ere uDo,r ,no,otm,n. 70,
!, riot and murder? A. 1 believe so.
Q. When did you leave Pittsburg the last
time? A. October l9
Q. You are a Chicago mani A. Yes, sir.
@. How long have you been in the Pinker-
ton service, continuously? A. Seven years
Q. Were you at Rankin two years ago? A.
Yes. SIR
@. Coming from Chicago did you meet
other Pinkertons at Youngstown A. Yes,
sir.
Q. Who commanded the Chicago division?
A. Nordrum. After Nordrum left was put
in command by him. / had 14 men under
my charge. 1 can't say how long before we
first left Chicago that 1 first received notice
that was to go East. was notified by
Frank Murray, superintendent of the
agency. 49,
@. What were his tnstructionsf A. All
knew was that was to go to Homestead
with some men and protect some mill prop
erty there.
Q. How many of the Chicago men were OF
the regular Pinkerton force7 A. About so. l
didn't know the others except by sight. 1
knew / was to meet others at Youngstown.
learned that from Nordrum after we got
on the train. The regular Pinkertons lived
IN Chicago. The understanding when we
left was that three or four of US were to be
| officers when we got to Bellevue.
When the Firing Commenced
Q. Where were the Chicago men located on
the barges A. The barges were separated,
| and we occupied one. At the Carnegie works
both barges were together. l was going
into the barge from the gang plank when
the firing commenced. Captain Hinde was
in charge of the squad. l was under him,
and part of my men with myself were dele
gated to march into the works. About six
or eight of my men were out on the bow OF
the boat, the others were inside. j should
say about Is men were on the bow of the
boat putting out the plank. 1t was quite
heavy.
Q. Some of these men had gunsf A. No,
sir. There were guns inside of the door. I
didn't see Cooper have q rifle. Some of the
men had clubs. The first shot was fired as 1
was going into the boat From Is to 20 shots
were fired before we returned the fire.
turned that the shots came from the shoref
A. l know that our men didn't fire. They
always act under orders.
L.
various places can be trained and know
their business in lew days. A. Our first
voley was fired into the air. From the
time the shooting on the shore commenced
i walked halt way through the barge and
back again before we fired our first volley
/ sat on the bow of the second boat for Il
time watching the people on the shore
building the barricade.
Q. Were you in an exposed position. A.
Yes.
Q. Anybody shoot at your A. No: after
the first voleys were fired from the barges
we dent snoot again until between and 10
o'clock; saw no guns until We got to Home
stead; opened the rifle boxes; we had 300
Winchesters; don't know how many revolv-
ers; suppose we had about 200 and at least 800
clubs: had seen some OF the guns before ut
Wallston, Pa; did not see them before left
Chicago.
Judge Kennedy Wants More Speed.
O. Were you surprised to see the boxes
on the barges that you had seen beforef
Burleigb-I object to that question as ir-
relevant. am very liberal, but that reaches
the limit.
Judge Kennedy-The objection sustained.
1t is now O'Clock. and only two witnesses
have been examined to-day.
9. Did you know there was q strike at
Burleigh-Don't answer that question,
Burt, object.
The objection was sustained by the
Court
@. When did the cannon shot strike the
boat? A. The first shot hit us between and
10 O'clock. That was the first time we heard
it. The inside barge was struck first 1t was
hit more than once. don't think the out
side barge was hit. / didn't see the man
lying on the gangplank shooting at the
crowd. =
Q. why did you go back into the boatf
A. For some of my men; as many as could
fnd. The men were scattered I'm the barges
and in the Little Bill.
q. Did you order them to line upf A.
said we would make a land ding.
@. You said that, Notwithstanding the
firing outside? A. They knew what 1
meant.
Q. Did you help to distribute the ammuni-
tionf A. did not / knew the guns were
loaded. They were not loaded.fn the, boxes.
They were charged as soon as the firing
from tho shore commenced. We opened the
boxes just as we made the landing, or be-
tween the Pemickey bridge and the tying
mp of the barges.
Q. Wasn't It a milo below that point when
you commenced to open the. Doxesf A. No.,
SIR. The maces were distributed when We
were going under the smithneId street
bridge. The gun boxes we're not opened