The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1892-08-10
In Refusing TO Resign When the Country Hs
Decided Against Them Salisbury and His
Cabinet Are CourtiDg Condemnation.
Home Rule for Ireland Promised Soon
if the Lords Don't Stand in the Way.
Intima.ion that the Upper House May b
Abolished II Its Members Are 0bsiinaie--
Snappy Reply by x-Secretary BalfOur.
GLADSTONE SPEAKS.
The Tory Cabinet Should Not Wait TO Get
Kicked Out-Legisiation for Ireland.

The Tory Cabinet Should Not Wait TO Get
Kicked Out-Leeisiation for Ireland.
LONDON, Aug 9-When Mr.. Gladstons
entered the Honse OF Commons to-day he
was given an ovation by his friendA
After some minor business had been diS
posed of. the coming Premier resumed tho
debate on the address in reply TO ths
Queens speech.
As Mr. Gladstone arose he was greeted
with loud and prolonged cheering by the
members of the opposition. Mr. Gladstone
opened his speech by referring to the pro-
cedure of the government in departing
from precedents in not resigning when the
verdict of the country was against It. The
House had met, Mr. Gladstone said, but
they did not know for what purpose. The
Queens speech told them nothing. Was 10
fact. he asked, that the Judgment of the
nation was without appealf Was the
House of Commons to fight the battle OF
the last six years over aaaini Never had
there been a great issue submitted to tho
country that had been 30 fully discussed as
the issue decided at the last general cleo
ton. The government was perfectly aware
of that. 1t knew well that a majority Of
the House had come prepared to give effect
to the verdict of their constituents
ICheers.l They could not do otherwise.
Turning to the matter of home rule,
amid wild cheering by tho Irish members,
Mr.. Gladstone said that Mr.. Goschen had
said that home rule must be carried by an
Irish majority IL IL were carried at all. In
point of fact the majority In the House
was no more Irish than Scotch or Welsh.
Nobody had any title to distinguish votes
for the purpose of lnvslidating the de-
cision of the House;or country. Such an
tutIon of the United Kingdom. There GER
tainly was a sense in which Parliament
was justified In examining votes; that was
when scheme was proposed that affected,
fundamentally, any part of the country.
feet to the wishes OF the people OF Scot.
land. The observation about an Irish ma
jority was in Difference to a bad tradition.
Those making them would not venture to
make similar on es about any other part Of
the United Kingdom. The fact that the
majority was Irish was o recommendation
rather than otherwise. lCheers from the
Irish members.
CRITICISM SHOULD FOLLOW, NOT PRECEDE.
AS to the coming government, it would
be time to criticise its words and deeds
when it came into office: not while it re-
manned q nebulous hypothesis. The Con-
servatives said that in the Liberal speeches
home rule was not always prominent. Tho
verdict of the country had shown that the
people meant it to be prominent, and,
therefore, to put an end to the present gov
ernment The supporters of the govern
ment made much of the pea ce now prevail
ing in Ireland, holding that it was due to
coercion. The tendency toward peace be-
gan In 1883. with the better prospects of
home rule. True. after the present gov
ernment came into power, there was bad
state of affairs In 1856. partly arising from
agricultural depression. Mr.. Gladstone
ADDED that In justice TO the governments,
he must say they were entitled to credit
for relieving the distress by the land act OF
1887, but that came too late il was not
In h armony with the sympathies of the
people. A perpetual coercion act not only
violated civil rights between EDglishmen
and Irishmen. but was In the highest de.
gree injurious to respect for the law and
its administration. As he had been asked
questions respecting the continuance OF
coercion. he would reply at once that she
coercion act ought not to be retained on
parliamentary usage. lCries of Hear,
hear."l
Mr.. Gladstone then proceeded to refer to
the governments legislation. He credited
tional debt. but complained that they had
inflicted on Ireland gross wrong In maxi
ing her pretended reparation by q local
government bill too limited to satisfy
Irish wants or to offer any solution of tho
Irish troubles.
Passing from these matters Mr.. Glad
stone Acknowledged that the debate could
not be altogether retrospective. The
House must have some light upon the
future. He would not anticipate who
would govern when the present admins
tration was displaced. 1t was not possible
for Liberal government to say what
measures 1t would submit to Parliament
six months hence. In regard TO the sug-
he could only say that any government
taking that course would show made
Quate sense of the magnitude and variety
of the subjects it had to deal with. At
tempts had been made to contrast the
claims of Ireland as against the claims OF
Great Britain to the attention of Parlia-
ment. Much could be said on both sides,
but the claims of Ireland for years had
held that position. Opposition cheers.
THE LORDS SHOULD BEWARE.
The principles OF the home-rule BILL Mr..
Gladstone said, were pretty we'll known.
BY it's provisions there would be full and
effectual maintenance of imperial suprem-
acy. while Ireland would be given the con-
duct of her own affairs. Irish representa-
tion in tho House of Commons was also
contemplated under certain conditions AS
TO the form in which these principles
would be EN- bodied 1t was the duty of the
Liberals 10 select the best form, but not
until they had been placed in power. The
bill for seven years had had his primary
and absorbing interest, and it would so
continue to the end. lCheers The
House would address itself seriously TO q
bill giving ireland self government. 1t
would pass the House OF Commons and
then 60 to the House of Lords. He would
not argue on a probability OF the House CT
Lords rejecting the bill. III the measure
passed the House of Commons. springing
ont of q continuous controversy lasting
seven years. which had been carried on
with zeal and ability under such diversity
OF circumstances, never would the House OF
Lords have before them q question of great
er i'm mportance to tho empire at largo. never
q greater question TO themselves lOppo-
sition cheers The obligations of n Liberal
government would utterly forbid acquies-
cence in the rejection of these obi cations
To promote tho settlement of q great sub
ject IL would remain unweakened aud un-
changed. Cheere. At the same time it
would he nece ssary to deal In IL 9S with o
sensible portion of British wants the dt-