New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1892-11-27
MR. PINKERTON EXAMINED
HIS TESTIMONY ABOUT HOMESTEAD.
MIN SENATE COMMITTEE HOLDS ITS FIRST SEES
SION IN THIS CITY" CAPTAIN" HlNDE
ALSO on THE STAND.

THE SENATE COMMITTEE HOLDS ITS FIRST SEES
SION IN THIS CITY" CAPTAIN" H1NDE
ALSO on THE STAND.
Two members Of the committee appointed by the
United States Senate to investigate and report TO the
Senate the facts in relation to the employment TOT
private purposes armed bodies of men or detectives
in connection with differences between workmen ana
EMPLOYERS met yesterday morning at 10 O'Clock, In TIE
Offices of the law firm OF Seward. Guthrie Morawez
ut NO. 81 Nassau-st The committee met u continue
the,r Investigation Of the attending the
employment OF Pinkert0n detectives to defend inc
property OF the Carnegie steel Company at Homesc'
Penn. July. Senators j. H. "aIlihGer Oh New
Hampshire, and w. A. PETER, OF Kansas, were ue
only members Of the committee present This was
the first session of the committee in this city Inc
committee came 10 New-YOrl to examine Robert y.
Fullerton, who has charge Of the New-Iork once oi
Pinkerton's National Detective Agency and Frederick
H. Hnde. who had charge Of the llnkerton DE-
tectves who were sent to Homestead if'uc -
known as Captain" Hinde.
Mr.. Guthrie. Of the firm ot Seward Githne Mo'"
Eeltz appeared for Mr. Seward. who is the attorney
for the Pinkertens The members Of the Senate com
mitee who not present are senators hahso''us"
Felton, White and Hi. Robert a. hnkerton was
the first witness He was examined by sen
ator Galllnger. He said he was forty-wo years od'
lived in Brooklyn. and was detective Mr. Plnker-
ton said in part that PnkertDn's National DetecuNe
Agency had Two principal ofces-one In New-lofK
and one in Chicago. He was in charge OF the Now
York Office The nature Of the business in all It's
branches was that OF general private detective DuSl
ness Watchmen were supplied 10 protect and guard
banks private houses Offices, stores Warchoue> c'c'
Men were also supplied 10 act a. wachmcn i"I race
tracks summer resorts, fairs. exhibitions, theatres
etc The agency had begun to furnish men duilng
labor troubles twentysiX years ago. since theh mon
had been furnished during seventy strikes.
Il have been examining records this morning
end find these figures correct SAID Mr.. Pnhcrph
Senator CalInger asked VIII YOU state some OF
The principal strikes whore from your agency have
been emplOycd7'
"T7.e coal strikes in Illinois. Lake shore strike,
stock Yards IN Chicago. strike he NewNoTk Cen
trail NewJersey Central Iar,ad coal docks, Delaware
1ackawanna and Western coal docks Philadelphia and
Reading Railroad and the hchmon1 coal SilL.% at
PHILADELPHIA Most Of The 80 mon sent 10 Home
stead were from the Fast. They al residents and
citizens Of this country. Most Of them know per
sonollv as thoroughly reliable Before the men
were. sent was assured that thcy woli be- sworn in
as deputy shcrHs as there were signs Of trouble
Otherwise would not have agreed 70 s"nd the men
"Were the men dcputized -
DTlcy were not. ! cannot say why The sheriff did
not carry out lis agreement There have been cases
where we have employed private ~ac.men without
hdnc sworn en- lut in all eases WHORE orr men have
boon armed II has been the invaa'lc rule to nav" 'h"
men sworn in"
Have Won consulted counsel to tho right Of an
into that state from another State''
81 have secured such opinion OF right 10 do 50
from counsel
After Mr. Pinkerton had given brief account OF
tbe Chicago Burlington and Quincy RAILROAD STRIKE"
d,,,rp which dynamite was used. the examination was
DELAYED BY the sudden inoss Of J. f. liag. IN" com
,nittee's Official s'enographor Another stenogfap1"r
took Mr. Haies place, and the examination was con
1inu,d. Mr.. Pnkcron said 0Iat hc had Been advised
that he had right 10 send armed men through me
country. lie had however, been advised that ne h"d
tbc right 10 send arms to guarding property. The
arms sent 10 Ptsburg were assigned to the Union
sunny Co1upanv Mr. Pnkertca said. when asked II
be thought the worhnrn always 10 dame IN
labor troubles. mat H. did not want to make any
s,yoersuC statements. No man, he thought. had the
right to keep another from working
When Senator Calllnger asked about the right OF
sending armed men from state TO another. Mr..
Guthrie answered for Mr.. Pnkerion, saying That he
had advi.ei Mr. Pnke0n against sending armed BODIES
OF men from one State % another or from one part
Of STATE 10 another part Of the same state. Mr.
Guthrie held that the sending 81 armed men nom
one place to another would tend TO intimidate the
people and would be contrary 10 common law. IL
was the practice Of the Iinkerons TO arm th"ir men
after they had been stationed on private properly
Mr. Guthrie Will submit an opinion 10 I'M" erect anu
cite authorities.
Mr. p,nkcrion said he believed that he would have
the right even in States where his men could not
be sworn In as deputy sheriff, 10 station private
walchmen private property. Ifnkerton Nntohai
Detective Agency had, he said, suffered -,
loss Of from 10000 to $1,000 from from Inc
Homestead troubles. The profit on each hhn
would have been from 81 to - 80 day regular
customers could get detectives for from rs 10 IS "a
dav TN, agency had lost about all the firearms uni
forms and clubs they had including some 200 rlnes
Are YOU considering the question whether 10
ask the Carnegie Company 10 make this up!
do you believe that only armed force would
have been Of any use at Homestead"
"Yes." ,,, IA,
ado you find feeling among law'abding cu-
zcns against your organization =
Yes: 1 believe that there Is such feelng, bit
the same feeling would result In the law was
enforced by the military or the police. This would
result as soon as the dlsaffccted could not have
their own way" ., j.,
"Do YOU think that outside people attracted by
the disturbance the labor people themselves were
responsible for the scencs at H0mestad -
think TIE labor leaders were Responsible
DO YOU solicit such work as mat required III
protecting. property from str1herst
"Some time .ince we did 80, bil we 40 not now
nor do for such wOrk. "
ain testimony taken I'm Chicago H. was staicl
that sou had a named Charles Walkenstcln VINO
was an ex-convict9" ..,