The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1892-08-17

OF them. lt was their business TO keep q
record of them. It's my business to sell
those folks as much as can"
The reporter inquired: Did you and the
firm yon represented enjoy all the profits
on those salesf mean on those you made
In Shelby county"
Il don't represent any firm. l represent
myself. L never gave q trustee q dollar in
my life."
"But did the trustees enjoy any of the
profirsf"
They never got any of the profits That
statement you see there is id mean
kind of q statement"
The men who are behind this article"
said Ray. tapping the offending revela-
tion. are Shelbyvil attorneys who nave
never won case in the Shelby Circuit
Court There has not been a bladder case
filed In Shelby since these men have been
practIcing In the county in which they
have been successful and there have been
twenty-five of them. The people down
there laugh at these cases and say these
are more bladder suits. No trustee denies
signing the warrants: on the contrary every
one says he did sign them"
LOOSE WAY OF MAKING REPORTS.
"Now here's something" continued Ray
reading from the paper: "'It Is shown
that Ray had assisted them in Jug
Cling these reports to conceaI the frauds
The only place where my handwriting APP
pears In any trustees report was one line,
and that not full line. in reporting an
order for school furniture. Trustee Duty
came to me one day IN Shelbyvllle on the
sidewalk. He wanted to know how much
an amount was that he had bought. /
could not tell. wrote 1t in with a fount-
ain pen that he had. / didn't remember
the amount and guessed at the date.
wrote In Sl75. i told the court just how 1t
occurred. There are not seven words In
my handwriting. That lie the case of Duty,
and Is his August, 1891. report.
Now here's the Kennedy case. A man
That doesn't amount to anything. What's
In q complaint isn't always proven. Hack
ney. In this case you quote, shows the
goods were received by the township. Why
do you put that on John Messickf Where
did you get that informatlOnp
1T WAS got in Shelbyville." said the re-
porter, blandly. Doesn't he hold that
amount of warrantsf"
Ray didn't reply to the question:
probably has that much more I never
heard of his bank holding any,"
Does Messick hold any,"
Il don't answer that question. Then you
say here that some warrants are payable
In 1888 and 1896. If Won can shoV me
warrant pay able In 1896 or 1895 I'll eat it.
Where did You get that informationf Ill
bet 500 1t wasn't got from any warrant.
You ought to have q sure thing when You
warrants that extend beyond june 1894"
lyon say here, a significant feature of
Rays operations is that he didn't keep his
warrants any longer than 1t was necessary
to lind buyer"
well, isn't that truef You no sooner got
them than they were put into Gorsuch's
handsn
Ray didn't answer this question. He
asked another. Where" said he. us o
farmer ever sold one of those orders TOT"
81 don't know" said the reporter, THAT
you sold them to farmer. nor do We state
that you did. But they were bought BY
farmers. YOur agent sold them. and the
act OF an agent was your act"
Can you tell me- inquired Mr.. Ray, "of
any man outside of the State that bought
anyw
Curtis. of Ohio. is one"
here did 1 have any regularly es-
tablished agentsi"
"You b d at least one right here In this
city. Wasn't Gorsuch your sgentp
He was never any agent of mine. Isold
him some paper"
Did he pay at the time, or when it was
disposed off"
GORsUCH GOT A COMMISSION.
He paid for it at the time. don't know
what he did with the paper. He got q
commission from me for selling 1t. As to
how much commission. that's q private
matter"
Ray moved his finger down. the col
umn and soon found another paragraph.
why" he asked, do you want to make
yourself Judge in this casei You say the
fact that | put my name on it makes me
responsible for the payment of it. Now
that's legal question. You don't under
preme Court has held that it is not negoti-
| able paper. That's the law. Pm not re-
sponsible for the law. It's not for me to
say what is good paper and what 10 ad
| paper"
did you ever tell any BODY that 1T was
| not negotiable paperi"
II never told them anything about it,
| was Rays answer. ''You say here"
he continued. that the news of my trans
| of Shelbyville and kept out of the papers
| at Indianapolis"
I'VE have prima-facie evidence in their
| files" responded the reporter. 1.-THE pa
Of it if the newspaper folks at Shelby vile
had been dong their duty"
lyon make q statement here" said
hay, "of the immunity have from crim-
inai prosecution. What have done to
merit criminal prosecutionW
1t was suggested that there was reason
able presumption of fraud in selling goods
at i've or six time thor value.
Pm Dot the man who does the buying"
I was Rays response 'School supplies
stretched q little. In printing they meas
ure the matter to get all they can"
There's market price for Chambers's
CyclopedIa. It's standard work. How
do you manage to get such enormous prices
for it,"
Ray ignored the question. He asked:
where do you get the information 1t has
been Rays boast that he owned and con-
| trolled the judicial machinery of Shelby
country L never made any such boast.
never had any such idea In my head.
'l on say / have been in the school sup
ply business for ten years. / went into it
| In 1883. Before that was connected with
the newspaper business for ten years. You
say / have foated bogus paper to the
amount of $4,000 to 100000 There's no
| truth III either of those statemeuts l
4 have never hoated any bogus paper I
| never sold any thing like either of these
| amounts of certificates"
Here Kay passed his finger on down the
| column and laughed. It's funny Won
want to connect Shelby county politics
| with this trustee business, when it hasn't
been twelve months" - here Raw broke
| Oft very suddenly. well, let that 60. You
say Pve been in the hool-supply business
| for ten years. and that learned the bus,-
| ness under Pollard. / never saw Pollard.
| HIS operations took place twelve years
| ago, and I've been in the business only
| since 1888
''As to my owing saloon debts, / don't
drink and never did. Everybo in Shell.
| byville knows that
HIS ATTEMPT TO KILL DoBBINs
| "Now here's one of the d--dest biggest
4 H.