The times. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1890-1903, 1892-04-09
RAum GETTING ~ DEEP WArER.
In Defending HimseIf lie Drags otherS into
Trap-uis Statement Contrndicted.

Il. Hersey 8 action IN selling information oD-
tanned from the Pension Office by reason OF
his having access 10 the fles through MS
position as private secretary 70 several con-
gressmen had the effect Of bringing Repre-
sentative BrO0kshire of Indiana. and hepre-
sentative CAN'T Of Ohio. the two members
who employed Hersey TO do pension WORK
for them before the committee this morning
TO explain their connection with hersey IN
employing him q call up their pension Claims
Mr. BroOkshre requested % be sworn. lie
said he desired 10 make statement IN refer
once 70 the evidence OF yesterday ,. X.
Hersey. he said had been his secretary = at
tend II his pension business. FOR time he
paid Hersey s25 per month and postage and
then so per month aud postage. hr. BROOK
shire continued that he had been ACQUAINTED
with Hersey IN 1859. lie knew that Hersey
had lad experience IN the pension lusiness'
and he had perfect confidence IN his integrity.
Owing 70 AN attack OF paralysis. SAD Alr.
Br0okshire it became necessary tor nm 70
employ secretaries 10 do part OF his WORK.
Believing that Hersey was trying 10
render him good service he turned
his pension business over 70 MN.
The soldiers seemed well satisfied with the
work he was doing. Yesterday complaint
was the first he had heard. SO tar as recely-
inc any comuensatiOn from soldier tne
matter never entered his head added Dit;
BrOokshire. and ii abuse OF privileges had
occurred by Hersey, be never heard OF IT,.
In conclusion Mr.. BroOkshire SAID that
what he had done for the soldiers had Deen
done as a part OF his duties as member OF
Congress.
said that Hersey had no authority TO Use his
slips improperly.
Mr Can't. Of Ohio. SAID that Mr. Brook
shires statement was about what he desired
TO make. but would say IL addition that ne
had been sick during tho winter and feit ne
needed some one to help him III the soldiers
interests and no employed Hersey, but had
no knowledge that he received compensa-
ton from other persons than himself. hersey
had been o. great service 10 him. and he had
no knowledge that Hersey violated the privi-
leges of bis position.
HEcsCY IL Ills OWN BEHALF.
s. r. Hersey was in attendance and was
called AS a witness lie said he had been en-
pioyed by Representative Durbouow; fer-
kins of Iowa. BTOOkshire and StruDie' Out ne
had no understanding thathe was 70 receive
nav from others than those who employed
him. Representative Cooper and he had
never such AN understanding.
In answer 10 a question. Mr.. Hersey SAID he
met Morgan, who made tho charges against
him through an introduction 10y Alr. Cooper
| in his Hersey office. If Sir. Cooper made
the remark 10 Morgan IN effect that II Nor
gan had anything worth paving for. he llier-
/ sew would be the man TO do 1t Tor MN, VII
ness did not hear It.
Moran did not tell witness that he had $50
cases. which he would compensate hm Tor.
/ Witness denied saying that z / would De rea-
sonable pay tor obtaining the status OF claims.
Witness said he would be glad 20 have the IN
] vestiegting committee look into his record.
! He had done nothing IN his judgment that
| was wrong.
Judge Fayson put the witness through a Sc
! we're cr0 discrimination. which brought out
! 81 50.
members Of Congress recslyed pay tor tns
work but the members did not know 1t. and,
also that two clerks TO members. 10 MS GER
tain knowledge were engaged IN TINS Dusl-
! ness and he believed that one clerk 70 sen
/ ator did such work These clerks had oihces
/ down town. and he had cOnyersed with them
about the matter They were II. D Maddox,
| who was a clerk for Congressman Harter, Oh
| Ohio. Cochran. OF New Ork, and English, OF
| New Jersey. and DIR. Mcclellan, u
son of Representative Mcclellan, OF
| Indiana. who was his fathers pri-
vare secretary. and also secretary
! 20 Representative Martin, of Indiana. VII
ness said be would have told commissioner
| Raum or ANYBODY else that be was engaged
In this business if they had asked HIM, be-
cause he considered II honorable. lie hsd
| received nav from Cunningham. who also
made charges against HIM over representa-
tive Coopers slip, but Mr. Cooper did not
! know IT, Witness said he believed lie hsQ
| right TO call up cases over congressman Sig
| natures and he did not think they would oD-
| iect He acknowledged that he wrote 10
| Noroau saving that the correspondence be-
tween them should be strictly conndential. IN
| resp0use 10 Mr EnlOe witness SAID that 3lr.
! Cooser lad informed him about receiving
| sZ5 from Morgan As cOmpensatlon lol heI-
sev's obtaining the status OF claims, ana tAat
| Mr.. Cooper said lie could not tahe the money
! and would have TO return II. In answer 70
A-
aminer in the Office could give information IN
regard 20 cases examined by HIM u he SO de-
sired and also that the file clerk could do the
same about cases IN the pending hles that
came under his eye Witness tuither stated
thar ba knew of clerks who had been en-
ployed by Attorney Lemon that wero now IN
! the Pension Office. but mono that had any
connection with Dudley.
cROss-ExAMISED.
In cross-eyamination ~ Judge Payson. Mr.
Hersev said that integrity would stand IN the
vav OF information being gwen out oy the eA-
auiiners and file clerks. Witness made an ap-
uroXimate of cases for which he had received
pav aud placed the number at ZOO
Judge payson then went over the names OF
yarious attorneys with whom the witness had
done business and brought out the facts that
in the claims witness had called up tor them
he had used call slips OF Representatives
Cooper aud BrOokshre.
"NLat was your method IN obtaining the
stains of cases p asked Judge Pays0n.
''Bv presenting the slips at the Pension Of
fee. as though we're acting for member OF
Congress. and the claim was sent down; Mr..
| Cooper was the first member Of Congress
whose slip he used Witness concluded by
saving that no member OF Congress was re
spOnsible for his action and he never looked
at il as dishOn0raDle. as many cases had been
called up over congressional slips
u. A.. Lineweayer. confidential CLERK 10
| General Raum. took the floor and told OF his
movement In assisting Examiner Greenawat
in taking the dispositions IN ONO and lndl-
Mr. Fnloe asked witness if he had ever
! acted as a spv on employees for the Commis-
sioner Witness declined 10 answer the ques-
tion IN that form.
Put into another form he said that the
| Commissioner never a~ked him u watch en-
ployes. but be lad at different times told tho
! commissioner that lie had seen Pension
Office employees associating with George IS.
Fleming and Willards Hotel seemed 10 be
their rendezvous
Mr.. lineweaver. in response 10 MIR. Enloe,
/ said that Examiner Spaesser was brought on
from pittsburg by Green B. kaum. jr., which
statement was in direct contradiction 10 that
made bv Commissioner Raum before the COM
mittee.
Various other questions were asked the
witness in regard 20 matters connected Win
| the Pension Office but his answers were more