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Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13
POMONA.
Talks About the Mass Meeting-An
Exciting Incident-News Notes.

Exciting Incident-News Notes.
POMONA, April 11.-This morning g
Los Angeles Times had Pomona letter
upon the mass meeting of Saturday
night. A sample of its veracity
throughout is couched in the following
item, referring to the speech of Mr..
Hicklin, who is member OF the M. E.
church, south, and sober, industrious,
upright and wealthy citizen of this city.
The letter credits Mr.. Hicklin with say
ing that to support 1000 saloons it would
require 5000 such people as he. What
Mr.. Hicklin did say was that it would
require 5000 such people as he to support
one saloon. The veracity of the whole
epistle Is on par with that statement.
All who took part in the mass meeting
| were branded as saloon men and law
breakers, whereas, the majority of them
are among our most sober, respected
and Intelligent peOple-men who do not
| believe in saloons, but who believe in
the proper regulation of evils which ex-
perience shows cannot be extermlnated.
Such people as these in this city, and
not whisky people, brand the statements
of ga Citizen" in the Times as lie of
the whole cloth.
Mr.. j. Weatherwax, one of the largest
lumDermen Of the northwest, left for his
home in Aberdeen, WASH, Sunday,
after visit with his old friend Mr..
Farquhar.
The San Antonio Electric Light COM
pany have obtained franchise from
San Bernardino county to run their
wires through the county to San Ber-
nardino.
Miss Bertha Penning, the popular
Los Angeles soloist, is visiting Miss
Gertrude Newerf.
Thos. Short, of Illinois, is visiting his
father and brothers.
DR.. Crank has bought Mr.. Won Bon
harst's home place near the Palomares.
Ii. H. Vincent, the popular Santa Fe
agent, has bought lots on Holt avenue,
and will build himself home.
w. H. Holabird has gone to Chicago,
called hence by the death of sister.
Pomona college is considering the
proposition of removing from Claremont
to Scanlon mesa. Seems to us it would
be bad move.
Our old citizen Hi McComas is now
down at Mesa City, Ariz., where he has
bought land. He is gone to be granger,
and now wears patent roller process
pants and Papago hat.
Mr.. Brown, banker of Illinois, is
visiting Pomona.
G. A. Loud is the happy father OF
bouncing boy.
DR.. and Mrs. V. A. Hewlett returned
to GAINESVILLE, Texas, after a several
months visit with friends here. They
went by the Santa Fe.
Mrs. j. X. McCabe and daughter left
by the Santa lfe for home in Chicago
to-day after visit with DR.. and Mrs.
johnson.
Mr.. and Mrs. D. G. Rozstol and Henry
Rozstol and wife left for Chicago over the
Santa Fe after spending the winter here.
Nellie Handt, guest for the winter OF
Mrs. j. H. Todd, left for Aurora, Ill.,,
today by the Santa Fe.
Mr.. A. T. Heaton sold his Pomona
home and left for his old home in the
east by the Santa Fe today accompanied
by his family.
Mr.. and Mrs. Samuel James and VIM.
Mcdonald and wife left by the Santa
Fe for Superior, Ills, after spending the
winter here.
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13
Mr.. Jones Corrected.


EDITORS HERALD: In your issue of
the Sth, in an article on the lemon, you
publish some remarks of Mr.. J. P. Jones
of San Diego, and you call these re-
marks A Treatise by an Expert. His
treatise most conclusively proves that
he is not an expert. His descriptions OF
the different varieties are in at least
two instances, very misleading, to put it
mildly. The Eureka, he says, is a tree
of bad habit; the fruit has very bit
ter rind and is often coarse and over
grown, all of which is positive mis-
take. The habit of the tree is not the
best, but can be largely improved by
judiciouss pruning. The Eureka lemon
is one of the best varieties grown and
has distinctly sweet rind. OF this
fact l will take my oath. AS market
lemon it stands at the very head, side
by side with the Lisbon. The state
board of horticulture, reporting on many
of the leading varieties, after most ex-
haustive analysis, Gays of the Eureka ::
"Fruit medium size; sweet rind ; a good
keeper; considered by many the best"
This lemon was originated at Los An
geles by @. R. Workman.
Mr.. Jones goes on to give unstinted
praise to variety called Bonnie Brae.
This lemon is classed in the report among
those OF no practical value, and described
as follows: "Originated by H. NJ. Hig-
gins of San Diego; medium size; rind
thin and bitter" There is certainly
something wrong about Mr.. Jones as an
expert. The final test OF the whole busi-
ness is the market. No practical grower
that have ever met claims the Bonnie
Brae is good keeper or shipper, and it
is therefore no market lemon. The
Eureka and the Lisbon are quoted side
by side at the head of the market. The
writer has no trees for sale, is a practical
lemon grower of eight years. experience,
grows both Eurekas and Lisbons, and
believes them about equal in scale OF
good qualities. He got as high as $5 per
box for his Eureka lemons, and never
saw one of that variety with bitter
rind. Mr.. Jones in the case cited is
equally wrong with praise and blame,
and anyone planting the Bonnie Brae
will find this out to his cost. No one
will make mistake who plants say half
Lisbons and half Eureka. Whether the
fact Of San Diego being the place where
the Bonnie Brae originated has anything
to do with Mr.. Jones's praise l cannot
say, but certain it is that he most scan
dalously bellies the variety originated in
Los Angeles.
In Justice to your many readers now
contemplating the planting Of lemons 1
think you will be willing to publish this
answer to Mr.. Jones. Yours,
PRACTICAL GROWER.
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13
LETTER BAG.
Peace to His Ashes.

EDITORS HERALD: Several days ago
the HERALD announced in its telegraphic
report from Washington the death of
Charles d. Drake, chief justice of the
court of claims, and the account of his
death as given in the Associated Press
dispatches was confined to three lines {:
"Charles D. Drake, chief justice of the
court of claims. was found dead in his
bed on F street this morning."
With the death of Judge Drake quite
figure in history passes out of exist
ence. While 1 conscientiously believe
that the dead past should bury its dead,
yet ] am justititd d in bringing up a rem
iniscence of the days gone by when
Charles d. Drake figured in the history
of Missouri to such an extent that his
cold-blooded, unprincipled and revolu-
tionary actions made him the most
hated and despised man in Missouri.
By birth he was malignant in spirit and
by education he was so unfortunate as
to be imbued with principles that in
after life he could not overcome. When
the furies of grim-visaged war were
hurled upon the country, nine .tenths of
the citizens of Missouri sympathized
with the south in her struggle, whether
right or wrong; but when the
brilliant stars and the unconquer
able stripes of the emblem of
an undivided union were unfurled in tri-
umph all over the country Mr.. Drake,
who forgot all past enmity, was elected
as delegate to the convention of his
state to frame a constitution, and who,
as president and leading spirit OF that
convention, unlike Mr.. Lincoln, could
not forget or forgive, but in order to still
forever a spirit of hatred, brought about
such a rebellion, even in the ranks OF
his own party, that eventually freed
Missouri from Republican misrule and
corruption, which was followed by other
states, north and south, east and west,
that today thirty-four out of forty-four
states have Democratic executives.
Judge Drake was remarkable man in
more respects than one. He possessed
courage, was ambitious, and had not B.
Gratz Brown and Carl Shurz revolted
against his narrow contracted ideas OF
self-government, would possibly have
been placed on the Republican national
ticket with Grant in the place of Colfax.
In 1867, by partisan legislature that
was never elected by the legal votes of
Missouri, he represented Missouri in the
United States senate, and from the day
of his election to the day of his death
Charles Daniel Drake never visited the
state that he so disastrously dsgraced.
His infamy lies in the fact that he is the
author of the Drake Constitution of Mis-
souri,. q. W..
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13
THEY MEAN BUSINESS.
A New Mining and Water Company
With Plenty of Capital.


Articles of incorporation were filed
yesterday in the county clerks Office for
the Cajon Mining and Water company.
with capital of $250,OOO. The company
is incorporated for the purpose of acquir-
ing land, water and mining rights, min
ing for gold, silver, coal, gas and oil,
holding water rights and selling the
same, utilizing water power for the gen.
GRAFTON of electricity, and selling the
same.
Of the capital stock there has been
paid into the treasury of the company
$125,000. The directors of the new cor
poration and the amount of stock which
they have subscribed are as follows
Frank A. Marcher, 1880; S. F.. Lucas,
$37 800; j. E. Lane, 5000; Benjamin
E. Toler, $4,000, and VIM. H. Toler
$4,000. The principal place of business
OF the company is located in Los Angeles.
Wint erilla is for sale in this town and is
used by all the ladies.
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13
REDLANDS /!


REFORE or after looking at all other orange.
ID growi as sections in Southern California,
come and take good look at Redlands, and let
your own good Judgment tell you whether this
Is, or is not. the choicest spot In California for
Free from scale, freest from fogs, freest from
wind freest from frost. Live people In a live
place. Half a million dollars worth of new
residences in the past year, and the building
still goes on. Call on the undersigned, who will
be glad to show you the beauties OF the place
and all improved property for sale, and will not
annoy you by urging you to. buy. Three snap
bargains In bearing H Hqr gicR GHsss
Agent for Redlands real estate.
State street, near Hotel Windsor.
AEESSANDRo!
A BEAUTIFUL VAIL EY that has all the ad-
n vantages of Redlands, excepting the fact
that 1t Is q newer country. Exclusive agents
for over 1000 acres. Agents for over 5000 acres
Have sold 43O acres to sharp and well-posted
buyers in the past few months. Prices from
wv sHARPLEss & BROWN,
Agents for Alessandro lands,
B. W. BROWN, Moreno.
T. d. SHAMELESS, Redlands.
GOOD BUYS FOR SOMEBODY!
10 acres eight-year-old bearing orange trees,
20 acres, IL acres bearing orange trees, bal
ance improved, SIT 900.
20 acres, acres res bearing orange trees, balance
~ acres, ali in good bearing oranges and
raisins, $13,50O.
Sole agents for all of above properties, all be-
low regular prices. Agent for improved prop
critics from $500 to 100000 ,,.eS each Unim.
acres up to 5000 acres each
State st., near Hotel Windsor, Redlandg, Cal.
1-196m
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13

ENOR SALE OR TO RENT-THE SOUTH
L Pasadena hotel and iabout a acres of in.
proved land. This property. is situated SIX
Pasadena, opposite the Santa Fe depot. The
hotel contains 40 sleeping rooms, and is piped
throughout for gas and hot and cold water and
A. apricot, So peach, IL nectarine, s ounce, 8
almond, 81 apple, pear, 6 plum, 3 prune,
fig and loquat trees, and small vineyard to.
gether with beautiful garden OF flowers and
shrubs. For further particulars address or In.
quire of DR.. H. F. PITCHER, IL n. Marengo
ave-. Pasadena. Cal. b-26 12m
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13
MACHINISTS.

MANN JOHNSON MACHINE AND
tools, models, patterns, pulleys, shsfting
hangers, etc; general repairing. Agents for
Bests gas engine. Telephone, 902. No. 534
s. Los Angeles ST., Los Angeles, Cal. 1926 Am
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13
ARCHgTECT.
A.RS1kAGT6.

A ssTRACT AND TITLE INSURANCE Com.
"A pa ny Of Los Angeles, N. w. cor. franklin
audN ew High straatA m17u
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13

The Hotel Gazette, Do you read itg
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13
PERSONAL.
N~-@OO~~~~-0~0O~-~OO -0-~-~-OON-~-~ON1~-~~
RSON DANCING

PERSONAL.
DERsoNAL. STAGE DANCING, SONGS,
L Dances and Specialties taught Guitar les
sons SO cents. il. Miller, 233 s. Main. 124t
PERsoNAL-sILvER, COIN THE VERY BEST
i Southern California extra -four, 81 80;
brown sugar, 20 lbs. s1.Oo; white sugar, II lbs
81 .0O coal oil, SOC; gasoline, 85c; family lard,
SC; 4 boxes sardines,. 25c; 8 cans Alaska sal.
mon, 25c; cans Ohio sweet corn, Csc; l gal
FRIGHT PLACE STORES" 90l and sos E.
First and 100 to 1O6 N. vignes st. 3-l3 If
KNow THY FATE--MADAM CARMELo,
raasT he Tss and card
on business love, etc. Office hours, 10 to and
Z to 8. No $50 South Hill, near Sixth, first
fiat. 4131m.
FRENCH TANsY WAFERs-LADIEs WILL
be- every time eIey 10 give ree
Safe and sure. Send by NATL sealed securely
Price. 81 pei box. Emerson Drug Co.. manu-
GoDFRsY & MOORE, los s. spring ring ea,y ST. ang Da
H. G. VOECKELL, corner Fifth and Main,
32O cod 12m
UNCONOMIC"-FREs ROASTED COFFEE
p from our new Giant coffee roaster. Java
sugars, brown. % lbs for 81; white, II lbs 81;
germea, zoe; 6 lbs rolled oats, 25c; lbs rice,
25c;:5 lbsIfaked hominy, 25c pkts starch,
25c gallon cans apples. 2Oc; 13 lbs navy beans,
25c; lbs layer Iaisins, 25c; lbs prunes, csc;
can devilled ham, Sc: cakes pure glycer ne
soap, 25c; sack -four, 81 and 81. IS; hams I3c;
bacon, 12c; pork, 1Oc. Economic" Stores,
3O5 8. Spring st.
DERsONAL = RALPHs BROS : GOLD BAR
i Flour, f1.40; City Flour, 81 90; Brown
Sugar, 20 lbs 81; White Sugar, II lbs ST. 90;
4 boxes sardines, csc; cans salmon csc; So
bars Soap, ST.; eastern Gasoline, 85c, ana Coal
OIL Soc; 2 lbs Cerned Beef, 15c; Pork, lOc;
corSixth. 1875 Am
DERSONAL-MEDIUM, 1854 s. SPRING ST.
l. Mrs. NJ K. Weeks Wright, 2.l7 r.
DERSONAL MRS. PARKER, CLAIRVOY.
i ant; consultations on business, love, mar
riage, disease. mineral locations, life reading,
etc. Take Spring and Westinghouse. car to
Vermont ave-, go south to Vine st., second
mousse from Vermont ave, i.27.tf
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13
BUSINESS CHANCES.

DARE BUSINESS CHANCE.-FOR SALE,
Los Angeles dailies in town OF 5000 Over 500
paying subscribers. Well established. Particu-
lars on application. sd. s." HERALD office.
40 1t.
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13

r. osT-oN MONDAY, GOLD sPECTACLEs,
IL between corner Olive and Court and 514
West second st. Return to Office National B. g.
L. association, corner Second and Broadway.
1.12-1f
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13
wANTED-AGENTs.
WANTED-REAL ESTATE,

WANTED-REAL ESTATE.
UJANTED-THE OWNER OF A LOT ON A
w graded street who wishes to sell the same
for $500 cash. may find purch .ser by address
ing W., box SO, this office, giving location.
81 If
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13

CONTRACTOHS AND BUILDERS.
CONRAD sCH&GEK, GRANITE, BITUMIN.
~ O'ls AMI asph alt paving. 227 W. First st.
al 1Im
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13

Wint erilla is for sale in this town and i
used by all the ladies.
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13
FOR RENT-HOUSEb.

FUR RENT-HDUSEb.
NOR RENT.-CLOSE IN; ROOM TENE-
Il ment. Very desira BILE. ZIG Boyd St. 4 IL 3t
nor RENT HOUSES ALL OVERTHECIIY
Il c. A, Sumner Il Co., 1O7 8. Broadway
70 II
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13

FOR RENT-ROOMS.
NOR RENT--GROSSER BLOCK, 400 Z. FIFTH
Il ST., pleasant suits of rooms for housekeep-
ing; also store. 4-10 1t
EOR RENT FINE SUNNY ROOMS, FUR
II nished. Hotel de Grenoble, 2O5 Aliso
and Los Angeles sts. $50 I'm
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13

EOR EXCHANGE-235 ACRES ORANGE
Il and walnut land, with water, for first class
farm in Illinois. Address room 3, Redick block,
corner First and Broadway 4-1Otf
Los Angeles herald., 1892-04-13
DERSONAL--MEDIUM, 2361< s. SPRING ST.
MIS-. NJ. Il. WeekS-Wr1ght. PIT If

DERSONAL - MRS. PARKER, CLAIRVOY.
i ant; consultations on business, love, mar
riage, disease. mineral locations, life reading.
etc. Take Spring and Westinghouse. car to
Vermont ave-, go south to Vine st., second
mousse from Vermont ave. i-27.tf
The Abbeville press and banner. [volume] (Abbeville, S.C.) 1869-1924, 1892-04-27
A Trade for Boys.

III had my way, would insist tn at
every boy should learn trade, writes
Foster Coates in the Ladies' Home
Journal. 1t was so in the olden time,
and it should be so now.
The man who has trade is a thou
sands times better equipped than the
man who has none. Let every boy
select a trade that best suits his ability,
and promises the highest honcrs
and remuneration. When he has
mastered his trade, if he disliles it or
it is not profitable, he can begin to
study profession, or enter upon a
com mercial life. If he should fail in
both of these, he is istill master of 6
good trade-something that noone can
take from him, no matter what eXigen-
cies may arise. The man who is mas.
ter of good trade is as independent
as a millionare. He need never want
he can find profitable work in any cor.
ner of the world. l do not say one
word against professional career,
but | say emphatically that the man
who has trade and Il profession as
well, need have no fear for the future
The boy who wants to, can master q
trade between the years of sixteen and
twenty, and if he dislikes it, he still
has time to study medicine, the law
or any other Of the learned professions
But if he waits until he is twenty, OF
over, he may not have an opportunity,
or feel inclined to learn either.
The Abbeville press and banner. [volume] (Abbeville, S.C.) 1869-1924, 1892-04-27

Many novices in advertising have the idea
that an advertisement Is like a seed which
may be sown once and In due time IL VII
grow and ripen into good returns. Dettei
smile Is the old expression: "COptlnua
dropping wears away the stone" single
advertisement for constant business: vii
avail nothing. In the busy rush OF oul
American life, the only successful life, the
only successful man is he who Is constantly
before the public. The events of to-day are
forgotten tomorrow. 1t Is therefore neces
sary TO advertise al the time.
MR.. HENRY, the agent and reporter for the
Greenville News is In town, taking subsci ip
lions and making notes. The present mail
arrangement gives the News Il great advan'
t8ge OF It's daily competitors, and the paper
is a favorite with many OF our people.
MIR. X. w. HADDoN one of the oldest and
most substantial citizens OF Due West was In
town one day last week, with his son, Mr.. Z,
u. Haddon, Mr.. &. q. Haddon is now cit.
izen of Atlanta. travelling in the interest OF
an Investment company.
CADET THURsToN MILLER Of the Patrick
Military School, was in town recently. He Is
a fine looking young man, and We learn from
friends in town that he stands high In his
classes al school.
DR.. DURKuEAD, the evangelist is dead.
DIR. Burkhead ut one time was pastor OF the
Lowndesrille Presbyterian church and was
chaplain OF the 18th 5. O., Volunteers.
THERE will be a communion meeting at
Little Mountain next smbbath and preaching
on Saturday. before. Rev. j. F. Jacobs Will
be there 10 do the preaching.
THE population OF Abberille County, as re.
ported In 1870 Is 4G.S54-being the seventh
County in the State III point OF numbers.
DIR. w. c. BowEN has returned home from
Baltimore. He was the youngest that grad
uated in D class OF ninety medical students.
ANOTHER negro killed In Lsurens, Self de-
f-nse. The bullets went In side ways and In
the back.
The road overseers at Mccormick are get
ting tangled.
In various counties the candidates are be-
ing announced In the newspapers.
The Abbeville press and banner. [volume] (Abbeville, S.C.) 1869-1924, 1892-04-27
eli! that's MY Minister"

These words proceeded from the
capracions throat of a youngster no
more than six years old. The beam
ing smile that overspread his face pre-
pared the way for the final ejaculation
which came after a moments pause
II tell yer, he's daisy" We looked
up, and discovered the clerical indi-
vidual alluded to. He was young
man with a kindly countenance;
and, turning about, he waved his hand
to the boy and was lost to sight round
the next corner. We began to moral
ize. We have continued to moralize
ever since. That minister had evi.
IDENTIFY reached that boys heart. On
further inquiry we were not surpris-
ed that he had gained many older
hearts besides. Afterall, was not that
outburst of affection Oh the part OF
that child one OF the highest compli-
ments that minister could have receiv-
ed? We have been hearing good
deal of late about the model minister,
the ideal pastor, etc. Long and inLri.
cate rules could be formulated by which
man might reach that desirable re,
suit. Here, however, is short cut to
the goal: "Reacb the boys" Children
are generally good readers of charac'
ter. If we were asked to give a receire
or fthe religion of adults, we should
certainly say, MAKE it something
that child can love-" So we would
say to every brother in the pastorate,
"Gather the children closely around
YOU, and you will have the entire par
ish as your friend" What sad thing
it is for young man to get the idea
that because he is going to be a clergy
man he must put on a precise, banG'
box dignity, and measure his steps as
we'll as his words when he mingles
with his people. Just as if his prof
essional position could make him more
than mau! That is only mockery
that exhibits to the gaze of the world
a clerical suit of clothes and an imma.
culate tie without lovable man be.
hind them. The assumed air and the
donned dignity may add to the par
sons value in the estimation Of some
readily gullible persons, but the young
sters on the street can easily see
through them. TO a mischievous
bouncing, boisterous boy no minister
will amount to anything, unless he
feels response thrill his young heart
toward the minister's outreachinG
sympathy and love. Let the pastor
capture the boys; and before he car
realize it the boys will not only shou
his praises, but will become valuable
assistants in his sacred work.
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LOwndeSVille's Letter.

Lowndesville, April @, 1892.
Prof. Fl. H. p. Humbert and Mr.. J. NJ. Baker
wennt TO Greenrille, Saturday to take in the
first big meeting Of the present campaign.
According to appointment, the Spring COM
muniou services began in Providence church
Saturday II q. n., by the Rev. II. G. Fennell,
his expected help, the Rev. o. Y. Bonner fail
ed to come.
Sunday being Easter, Rev. r. P. Franks
preached quite an interesting and appropriate
sermon In smyrna church.
Rev. j 5. Porter. gave to his hearers At the
Ridge similar sermon upon the same sub
Ject.
The services in Providence, were impressive
and to the point conducted by the pastor.
Mr.. Robert Moorhead Of Anderson came
down Monday, on few days visit TO the fam
lily of Mrs. r. l.. Moorhead.
Mr.. and Mrs. J. r. Latimer, took O trip 10
AbbevlI!e, Tuesday.
Tuesday night this section was visited by
storm of wind, q little rain and much thnn.
der and lightning, which walked up the
natives, but we have not learned that any
one, was wrought up 10 the pitch of excite
meut and fear, that we heard Il man was q
few years ago, in time Of a wind, who prayed
"be easy Lord, you know me aud my wife
are powerful afraid of wind.
Wednesday was cold, drowsy, disagreeable
day, not at all favorable TO the planting Of
cotton, in fact 1t looked as If those who were
thus engaged, were, ahead of the SEASON.
We are told that 1t Is "the early bird that
catches tie worm" but the same authority
does not state that 1t Is the early worm that
Is caught, but the one holds good equally
with the other. Some of our earliest birds
have come to grief. They complaing of the
early planted corn and cotton seed rotting in
the ground.
Mr.. Claude McAlisler, Of Latimer, was one
OF our towns visitors Wednesday.
Miss Annie Lou Power. an efficient man.
tuamaker, OF Anderson, is now here and can
be found at the MoEcley House.
Miss Alice Hnphries Of Anderson came
lie LIE Roy.
Mr.. S. e. Baker and his bride, of Anderson
came down yesterday on visit TO the family
OF Mr.. T. Baker, the uncle OF the first men.
toned.
Rumors are afioat, as to the candidacy OF
several citizens Of the savannah side OF the
county, for some one Of the offices to be dis
tributed this fall. II all other sections OF the
county are us patriotcilly inclined, and will
bring TO the front, rs many Of their citizens
who are willing to work for their country, the
Editors Will reap a little bonanza. If you
charge five dollars for announcing one can
didate, fifty or sixty ought to come cheaper.