Pittsburg dispatch. [volume] (Pittsburg [Pa.]) 1880-1923, 1892-09-02

Carnegie Steel Companya A. / could not
say; didn't recognize them.
O. What, If anything, did these men say OF
do to you? A. When came over ABOUT
says "You can't go in there, and attempted
to push by him, and he put ont ms nanuS
and pushed me back, and repeated thae
could not go in. Then went back across
the street and talked to the ch1e1 cleIk
few minutes, and this man disappeared xhas
stopped me, and anoIhvr man says, iou
can go in If you want to-"
@. Were these men who stopped you .ne
regular watchmen of the company a. NO.
sir
O. Did they have any uniform onf A. No,
sir.
O. Were your regular watchmen uni
were not
O. Were any of your policemen on duty
that morning there when you went oVer'
A. No, sir.
O. They were not? And these mon that
you saw were not in your employ as watch
men or policemen? A. No, sir.
Q. You knew the watchmen ana policeInen on
OF the company, did you? A. l knew them py
sight.
Mr.. Cox-Do you know the man who put
out his hands2 A. No. sir; do not
Clerks Were Allowed to Enter.
@. Your clerks were all going in, weren't
they? A. No, sir; they were all stopped. Az
dinner time got IN and then after that the
clerks came.
O. And it was evident that whatever effort
was made to prevent you from going in was
done under q misrepresentation? A. NO, sll;
there was no evidence of that kind at all.
Q. Was there more than one man left at
this gate? A. Yes sir: l suppose there were
eight or ten there. ! could not say. There
were q number OF men.
O. How many were there the second timer
A. About the same number.
@. You don't know whether that hrst
zsl,, %,ff H.
visory Board or whether the second crowd
were do you? A. l could not swear to it, OF
course. We did not know who the Advisory
Board representatives were.
O. You are not here to swear, then, that
you were prevented from going into these
works by any men who were sent there by
this thing you call the advisory Board" " OF
which Mr.. O'Donnell was recognized as the
head2 A. don't know that they were sent
there.
O. And you don't know but what this man
who undertook to prevent you was some
person who had no authority there from
any person but himself-is that rlget? A.
The very strong presumption is
Q. am not talking about presumDt1ons,
but am talking about your knowledge. You
are test1fying as witness. Ihe law raises
presumptions. What did you say to that?
A don't know who the representatives OF
the Advisory Committee were
Q. You do not know that he was repre-
sentative of the Advisory Board or any body
else? A. 1 do not, sir. 1 don't know the man.
could not tell that.
Thought the Board Still Existe5.
@. You have testified here about the ex-
istence of what is known as the Advisory
Board; don't you know, sir if you knew of
the existence of that committee, that that
committee was dissolved on the 9th day or
July, the day before this time that you were
prevented, as you say, from getting in? A.
Well, it may have been dissolved, but it is
probable that another committee took its
place.
Q. 1t is not probabilities; 1 am speaking of
your knowledge? A. Well, l have evidence
in one way, that was stopped again on the
Friday following that, and the man told me
"by order of the committee" He ordered
me out "by order of the Committee"
O. On the morning of the 9th you don't
know whether there WAS such a thing as the
Advisory Committee in existence, do you, of
your own knowledge? A. No, not OF my own
Mr. Breck-You may state whether or not
on the morning of the 9th there WAS a riot
going on on the property of that comnany,
and whether they were shooting? A. Why,
there was.
Q. We're there men killed and wounded
that day? A. 1 saw men carried out either
dead or wounded; 1 couldn't testify to
which, ana heard shooting, and saw men on
the river bank.
Kept the Chief of Police Out.
Captain William McBroom, chief of the
police and watchmen, testified that he and
his watchmen had been refused admittance
to the mill property on July 6. He also
stated the members of the Advisory Com
mittee warned him not to try to enter the
works. He testified that, after the fight
George Champenour and others of the Ad-
visory Board hunted up both himself and
the watchmen and sent them back into the
mill.
G. s. Hotchkiss. Pinkerton supelintend-
ent, was the last witness
Mr.. Breck-I wish you would state whether
you know Jack Clifford. A. do.
@. How long have you known him2 A.
Since last Thursday, week ago.
Q. Where did you get acquainted with Mr..
Clifford on that day9 A. met him first on
Fifth avenue.
Q. And where did you go with Mr.. Cliff
ford? A. To your office.
@. And did you make an arrangement
there or not to meet MIR. Clifford the next
lay? A. No, not the next day; made an ar
to meet him the next Saturday.
Q. And did you meet Mr.. Clifford? A.
Q. Where? A. At Hotel Anderson first.
Q. Where, if anywhere, did you go with
him? A. To Hotel Boyer.
@. And did you have some conversation
ith him there: A. l did.
O. wish you would state whether in that
he told you that Hugh ODon-
lell was a member of the Advisory Commit
zee.
Clifford Might Be Myth.
Mr.. Brennen-Objected to as being hear
'ay, unless this man was arrested and is
lere. Jack Clifford may be, as far as this
Court knows, a myth, and therefore testi-
nony as to Jack Clifford ana what was said
ire certainly not evidence in this case If
le was here, it might be all right, but not
ain hara arto in Stoto re
nan, and not made in the presence of those
Who are charged here, who are before you,
would not be evidence.
MI. Robb-You have forgotten the law
Mr.. Brennen-You have first to show Jack
clifford was IN the conspiracy, and you have
lot done that at all.
Mr.. Breck-Is the Jack Clifford you have
net the man who is under arrest for mur-
ier?
Mr.. Brennen-If he knows A. He ad.
nitted that, yes, sir.
Q. And whom is he charged with murder
ng, do you know A. He did not say he was
lnder arrest for MURDER he said he was
lnder arrest in this matter.
Q. just describe to the Magistrate the ap- !
of Jack Clifford
Mr. Cox-ls his appearance described in |
his informatiOn9 lQuestion withdrawal
Mr. Breck-JusG state ii Jack Clifford said |
o you. or admitted to you, that Hugh !
)'Donnell was member of the Advisory |
;omnittee.
Mr.. Bremen Objected to. Unless it was
aid in the presence of Hugh O'Donnell it is
lot competent testimony.
Mr.. Robb-It is admitted that Hugh |
)'Donnell is member OF the Executive |
Committee.
Mr. Breck-I wish you would state whether |
ack Clifford said to you that George Cham |
enour was Il member OF the Advisory Com |
1itGee. lObjected to-.
The Defendants Held for Court.
The letter referred to in the testimony of |
1r. Wood, signed Advisory Committee,
ffered in evidence by the Commonwealth. |
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