The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1892-08-16

The desire o. the sugar planting ele-
ment for a law that will increase their
dividends by reducing their expenses,
can hardly rise to the dignity OF public
necessity 80 great as to demand the pop
ul4r sacrifices which this Bill unhappily
proposes.
would respectfully remind the House
hat our system o. government has been
borrowed, not from the despotisms OF
continental Europe or Asia, but from
Great Britain and America. In neither
OF those countries can, or ever has been
found a system as plainly subversive Of
the most ordinary and elemental o: hui
man rights as that which this Bill seeks
10 impose upon Hawaii.
Without an examination OF the debata-
BILE grounds as to whether, and TO what ex-
tent, the proposed Bill violates constitu-
tional and treaty provisions, l observe a
multitude of defects AID vices in the Bill,
and | therefore, with great difference to
the contrary opinions and recommends
ton of the majority OF the committee,
recommend that this Bill be indefinitely
postponed
C. w. ASHFORD.
Honolulu, Aug. 10, 1892.
After long and desultory discus
sion, in which the merits of the bill
were freely canvassed, the bill and
reports were laid on the table until
after the constitutional amendments
should be disposed of.
Noble Marsden presented the fol-
lowing resolution: "Be it resolved
that a select committee be appointed
whose duty shall be to inquire into
10
tage of the deaths reported by the
Board of Health are from cause un-
known and to report to this House
law or an amendment to any eX
listing law which shall provide that
no interment shall take place with
out the cause of death being estab-
lished."
Noble Marsden stated that the resO-
luton was not prompted by an article
which had appeared in the Bulletin,
but he had happened to be present
when the facts referred to in that art
icle were disclosed.
Rep. Ashford and Noble Neumann
spoke in favor of the resolution; Reps.
Waipuilani and Nawahi against it.
Noble Neumann merely wanted the
member from Hilo to be on the right
side, so that it need not be said, "an-
| other good man gone wrOng.n
The resolution was adopted and the
matter referred to the following COM
mittee: Mobiles Marsden and Wal
bridge; Reps. Ashford, Kaluna and
| Smith.
Rep. r. w. Wilcox, claiming the
floor, yielded to Noble Neumann "in
consideration of his age"
Noble Neumann introduced the fol-
| lowing: Resolved, that the further
consideration of the Appropriation
bill be in the Legislature, and not in
| Committee of the Whole.
Rep. Ashford moved the resolution
be tabled until the constitutional
amendments had been considered
Laughter The speaker opposed the
resolution as intended as an interior
ence with debate.
Noble Neumann denied that he
wished to limit the freedom of debate
Every member would be allowed to
speak when he had anything to say
The object of the resolution was tc
expediate business. He would move
the previous question. Carried.
The ayes and noes being called, the
resolution was adopted on the follow
ing division:
Ayes = Berger, Ena, Macfarlane,
Peterson, Cummins, Williams, Neu
mann, kauhane, J. NJ. Horner, Hind
Marsden, Young, Baldwin, w. Y
Horner, Walbridge, Anderson, Thurs
ton, G.. n. Wilcox, Kanoa and Dreier
Reps. Wilder, A. Horner, Edmonds
Kaluna, Smith and A. S. WilcoX-26
Noes - Ministers Widemann anC
Spencer; Mobiles d. w. Pua and Hoa
pill Reps. Bipikane, Ashford, Aki
S. X. Pua, Kauhi, r. w. Wilcox
Bush, Nawahi, Kaunamano, Kamau
Oha, Waipuilani, Kapahu, Nahum
! White, Kanealii, Iosepa and Akina
-21.
Absent - Minister Parker, Nobl'
Cornwell and Rep. Koahou.
Noble Ih4lrrston explained his vote
I In general he would not favor a Teso
luton of this kind, but in this case il
was amply justified by the great anC
useless waste of time over the ApprO
priation bill in committee.
Minister Widemann, on being asked
for his vote, said it was question TO
the House
Noble Thurston asked the Ministe
whether he was not member of tn
House. Proceeding, the speaker cen
sured in strong terms the course o
the Ministry in evading responsibility,
and Sinking their duties.
Rep. Ashford said there was q time
when the Ministry were leaders of the
House. It was "a time when the
Ministry was of different materia
than at present. The conduc
of the Ministers was skulkiu.
and cowardly. He was very sorry t,
see it and protested against it.
Noble Neumann's motion to eXcus
the Ministers from voting was de
clared carried on show of hands
Calls of kanalua being heard
Noble Thurston said the cours
adopted by the Ministry was igno
minious. 1t was what it had beef
Notwithstanding; an abandonment @
their position as leaders of the Hous
by the Cabinet.
Rep. Smith wished to use no harsl
terms, but he thought the Ministr,
ought not to be excused. There wer
questions concerning themselves OF
which they should not of course vote
but this was a case in which they ha
no business to leave the matter to tn
House. 1t was not fair, and the,
should be compelled to record thei
votes.
Minister Widemann was obliged 70
the constitutional lesson he had got
He hoped he would be benefited b,
it. "a Voice: I hope SOL Tn
question was one of time simply
and the Ministers were paid for thei
time. He would vote mo"
Minister Spencer also voted mo
Rep. Kauhi wondered whether thes
people who were complaining of tn
loss of time, thought of this when the