The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1892-10-01
Allen G.. Thurman on Cleveland
and the Campaign.
INHIs WELLEARNRD RETIREMENT
He Keeps Posted on Everything Going on in
the Political and General World
Carl schurz's Speech.

reuely waiting the end, Allen q. Thurman
lives in his beautiful home in the capital of
Ohio. Allan G. Thurman will be 10 years
old next month. His face looks little if
any older than it did four years ago, when
he was the Democratic candidate for the
yice-presdency. In that campaign he made
100 speeches, surprising the croakers, who
declared him to be totterng on the verge
of the grave, and even surprised himself.
This year he can make no speeches. He
fears to encounter the fatigue, and it is
with difficulty he can get about the house,
with cane and crutches, SO treacherous is
the disease which has weakened him. His
habits are sedentary. He reads nearly all
night and sleeps until the afternoon. He
is always the brightest and at his best
when he meets the family of his son at din
ner and discusses the news of the day
Then with MS cigars, sometimes with a
glass of toddy at his side, he sits IN the
quiet of his library aud reads. Nor does
he read politics alone, but dips into poetry
French literature and the sciences.
Today correspondent had an interest
ing chat with the old man. When asked if
he had read the speach of Senator Hill, he
replied:
mot in full l have read only abstracts,
but they were enough 10 show me that he
is Democrat, moreover, | think his
speech gives evidence OF one thing that
have already been told, and that is the as
sured support by Tammany of Cleveland.
That means that
CLEVELAND WILL CARRY NEW YORK.
OF that have no doubt, and to modestly
assert my opinion, believe he will be
elected. There is one speech l did read.
and one winch every Democrat should
read, aud that is the speech Of Carl Schurz.
took IL up the other night about midnight,
and l never quit until it was finished, and
when laid the paper down the sun was
shining IN this window. Oh, but it was a
grand speech. About the best have ever
read. 1t puts politics on such high
plane aud its chief Argument is that those
who desire purity and high level in politics
should vote for Grover Cleveland. 1t is
Just like Schurz himself. for / know him as
very high minded, pure politician when
we were iu the Senate together.".
NO. he said in reply to a question, 81
don't think Schurz left the Republican
party from any pique or disappointment
He saw the corruption of his party and re-
volted. Then he naturally turned tC
Grover Cleveland
Then Judge Thurman commented on the
GENERAL APATHY IN THIS CAMPAIGN.
Eyes, even judging from the papers it Is
the dullest campaign have ever known.
Why is it, That is hard to tell, only the
people are not warned about The result
whichever way it goes"
! "What has been your acquaintance with
Mr.. Cieveland!n
| 81 have only known him since he was
| president, although l was in the csnveI-
tion which nominated him. | formed 9
| good impression of him from the press, and
after his election the papers and my per
sonal friends thought was to be secretary
OF state. They all argued that as / had
been recognized leader Of the Democrats
in the Senate Cleveland would probably
honor me with the chief appointment,
of his cabinet. However, l had made VI
my mind even If he had offered me the
state portfolio, to decline. l did not want
the Office at my age, but some of my good
| friends in Ohio with sarcastic emphasis
on good friends'') took IL upon them.
selves to prejudice Cleveland against me,
and was not appointed. Instead he chose
Tom Bayard, who was one of my closes,
| friends in the Senate. Time went on and
l met President Cleveland after had been
appointed attorney tor the government in
the Telephone cases. / was curious at first
to know what there was in the man oil
whom | had heard SO many conflicting
stories and from the first / was favorably
| impressed. | visited him at his summer
home near Washington, and
WE BECAME WARM FRIENDS.
Later on during his administration some
very eminent Democrats OF national repu-
tstion came to nae and said, Thurman,
we want you to be a candidate for vice
president next time" demurred at once,
declaring that did not want to be vice
president nor to make the campaign, but
they insisted that at least | should not say
no. and let them go ahead and manage
things. Well, did not say anything, and
30 it happened that l was nominated, and
the campaign went on. We were beaten,
and IL was shame. 1t was a shame to
beat us,'' and the old Roman repeated the
words with sigh for the Democratic party.
"Aow did they do.it. judges"
"Money did it. Nothing but money
could have beaten US in 1888. The work OF
Clarkson, Quay and Dudley with his
! blocks of five methods beat US, and il
was disgrace TO the nation. An enor-
nous corruption fund was raised from
those who were to be benefited by the
protective tariff. Wanamaker alone raised
S460, 900 in the city Of Philadelphia. VIVA,
could the Democrats do against such
DEvILIsH METHODS OF CORRUPTION"
''JQuR6, nave yUu cfbT bubftu tH6 Opinion
of some of the eminent Democrats, tina,
Cleveland's special tariff message defeated
hims'
mo; don't think it did. The use OF
money would have defeated US anyhow.
Yes, it was a shame to defeat brave
honest man like Cleveland. l found him
one of the most sincere and honest men |
ever met in politics or public life.
he is VERY POSITIVE
when he makes up his mind, and I suppose
he might be called stubborn, but he is gen
orally SO on the right SIDE"
Judge Thurman spoke of the force bill as
"a dampable measure, which should be de-
feated, and in the campaign should be de-
nounced by the Democrats. Mr.. Thur
man wanted to know what was the secret
of Foraker's great magnetic power upon
Ohio Republicans, and why Governor Nc
Kinley did not have the same, adding
Some one was in here the other day talk.
ing about Mckinley, and l was surprised al
the talk. In which he said: Why, Judge
that Mckinley is the blankety blanKest lit
tie bantam cock you ever saw, and will
strut about anyhow; one thing is sure, Nc
Kinley is badly bitten by presidential
spiders I"
SOUTH CAROLINA REPUBLICANS.
They Nominate Elertors, but Put No Ticket