St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1892-12-23
The Committee on Ordinances
Combatted by Indignant
Citizens.
Aid. Haynes Makes a Speech
in Behalf Of the Second
WapdepS.
A Large Number Of Promi-
nent People Hear Sweet
man on Home Rule.
Speeches by Mayor Winston,
Mr.. EustiS and Judge
Mahoney.

Yesterday was the time set for the
meeting of the council committee on
ordinances. to which was referred the
amended street railway ordinance rela-
tive to transfers. The committee met,
delegation Of indignant citizens pre-
scented itself that was certainly formi-
dable in size. The delegation was COM
posed of a number of committees, one
from each of the Peoples and Single
Tax leagues. one from the trades and
labor assembly, and two from Southeast
Minneapolis. One of the latter was
called the conservative" committee,
insomuch that all that was asked
had for its purpose nothing more
than local issues. The committee
desired tranfers on the interurban line
as heretofore, but only so far as local
travel was concerned. The clause in
the new ordinance setting forth that
the street railway company would not
issue transfers on the interurban line
for the benefit of the residents or South
east Minneapolis, but would establish a
it's, the cars not to run more than fifteen
minutes apart, did not please them, and
they wanted that portion of the ordl-
nance cut out. Messrs. George e. Skies,
E. c. Chatfield. j. NJ. Dunn, II. j. o.
Reed and w. f. Decker composed the
Conservatives. The other committee
from Southeast Minneapolis is the one
whose members are dubbed" Heads"
The "Red Heads" are James Evering,
G. w. Purple and E. d. Holmes. These
gent emen and all the other committees
were present at the meeting yesterday
with the aVoWed intention OF repeating
the ordinance, or arranging it so that
transfers would be issued Oh all the
lines the same as at present, with the
exception that they should be given out
by the conductors on the cars instead OF
at crossings. These committees APP
peared as joint committee with Sum
ner Ladd as the advocate extraordinary
ana mo compromise" as the motto.
Ghe trades and labor assembly com
mittee was composed of Dr. Finnegap,
John UgloW and q. G. Skies. The
single takers were II. B. Martin. 0. L.
Erick son, Charles Settgast, S. A. Stock
well and Matthew Donahue. The
representatives of the Peoples League
were Sumner Ladd, c. st. John Cole, A.
S. Edwards and Fl. B, Martin.
1t was this formidable array OF able
bodied kickers the committee on ordi-
nances had to face in the narrow COM
mittee room. The joint committee pre-
sented a set of resolutions, the text of
which is referred to above. No manner
of compromise would be listened to. The
street car company had to give transfers
on all the lines, including the inter
urban, and it was the business OF the
council to see that it did so. The joint
committee also protested against section
2 of the ordinance, making 1t necessary
for the slreet railway company to sign
the ordinance before it became law.
The committee held that this section
virtually rendered the obnoxious ordi-
nance contract, and the city
council had no right to grant
such contract. The committee
held that the city was not under con-
tract with the street railway company,
but that the privilege to conduct the
street railway business was nothing
more than license, and as such was
open to change and revocation. Mr.. Laid,
in his speech on behalf of the joint
committee, said the city got what it did
from the street railway company purely
through the grace of the company. He
denied the accuracy Of this position,
and said it should be reversed so that
whatever the street railway company
got should be given by the grace OF the
people, through their representatives
and servants in the council. The city
council, he said, was merely trustee
for the people, and its truSteeship was
limited. The city charter held the
council could only go so far, and when
franchises were granted the line was
being Overstepped
Aid. Haynes made speech, ID be-
half Of his constituents in the Second
ward, who were represented by the So
called Conservatives. Although he had
presented the amendment to the Or
dinance under discussion, he had eX-
perienced a change of heart. He had
learned from his constituents that it
would please them to be shut out from
using transfers from their portion
of the city, on the Interurban,
and that the proposed local line
would not answer at all. He was there
fore in favor of cutting out the clause
pertaining to that point. This would
arrange it so that transfers would be
given on all lines in the city. but none
of them would be good outside Of the
city limits. This. however. did not sat
isfy the Joint committee, and its mem
bers had no hesitancy IN telling the
council committee So There were
workingmen and others who desired to
go TO ST. Paul, both for business and
pleasure. and they should be accorded
the privilege of the transfers.
General Manager Goodrich was pres
ent at the meeting, and he was asked if
he was willing to give transfers on all
the lines, including the lnterurban, as
| at present, but he answered in the mega
tive. He did not even desire that the
clause allowing the company to eSta-
blish local line for the benefit OF the
residents of Southeast Minneapolis
should be stricken out If transfers
were to be given on the lnterurban