Pittsburg dispatch. [volume] (Pittsburg [Pa.]) 1880-1923, 1892-09-01
Q. What were their instructions, A. To

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| A. think was assigned to Hogan's.
@. Did Hogan give any ordersf A Wen,
! all the orders among all was to allow no one
| in, even TO use force; allow no one In the
| mill.
| @. Were YOU on duty all nightf A. Well
was there about-1 didn't stay long; ! came
back in the morning-until about l o'clock,
and then l went to the mill and came back
| in the morning.
@. Did you see John Wiper in the line? A.
saw John Wiper.
Q. Did you see NelsonH A saw Nelson
later in the morning.
Q. mean at the lodge meetingf A. He
was not at the lodge meeting.
Q. Was Gibson at the lodge meetingf A.
He was at the lodge meeting.
Y. was there any resistance onered to the
the mill? A Yes, sir.
Q. On the <th of Augustf A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you see these defendants or any OF
them in the crowd that was resisting9 A.
Yes, sir.
Q. Which one resistedf A saw Gibson,
Wiper and Norton.
saw Men stepped at the MIL.
O. mean these defendants. Did you see
Nelson? A. Nelson was just standing there.
O. You did not see him doing anythingf
A. No. sir.
O. He was in the crowdf A. He was in the
crowd.
O. How long did he stand around there; do
you know? A. supposed he was there half
Q. Were men stopped there during the
time he was there-stopped from going in
during the time Nelson was there? A. Yes,
SIR
Q. Do you know whether it is usual to
take tin roofers into the Amalgamated Asso-
ciation? A. No, sir; they are not supposed
Q. But they took you inP A. They were
anxious to get any or all, l guess.
MIR. Cox-Were you familiar with the regu-
lations of the association at that time. A
Q. You have Joined lodges before? A.
Well, have Joined lodges before, no lodge
of that kind.
Q. You are a Pinkerton detectivef A.
Yes, sir.
@ And went up there for the purpose of
joining lodge to discover what was going
on inside? A. Yes. sir; as far as the liot is
concerned.
Q. You were present at the meeting held
on the night of August 3 in which there was
resolution passed with reference to pre-
venting people from getting in the mill?
A Yes, sir.
@. What was that resolution-give the
words as near as you can? A There was
motion put that they allow none OF them to
go in to work.
Voted to Use Force If Necessary.
Q. What was that resolution. You voted
aye on it, didn't you? A. Certainly; they
were all in favor of it.
Q. You certainly ought to know what you
we're voting on? A. Yes, sir; know 1 voted
for it as well rs all the rest.
Q. What did you vote for?
Mr.. Breck-Have you got a copy with you:
A. No. sir. The witness continued: To join
the squad and go down and prevent them
and to use force.
Mr.. Cox-Do you swear that was the spirit
and letter OF that resolution, that you were
to go down there at the mill and prevent
people from getting in, and the squads were
organized tor that purpose and to use force
if necessary? A. Yes, sir.
@. That was in the resolution? A. Yes, sir.
Q. That was the wording of the resolution?
A. Yes, sir. Mr.. Carney passed the remark
that there was one thing to be done, had to
be done, although he did not care about
mentioning what that thing was, but still
the men knew as well as myself, knew what
he was alluding TO as well as Mr.. Adams.
Q. VINO offered the resolution? a. Both
Mr.. carney and Mr. Adams.
Q. They both made the same motion? A.
Well, it might have been not exactly the
same to that effect.
@. Which resolution passedf A. Both of
them.
Q. Both at the same time? A. Well, you
can't pass two motions at the same time.
Q. One was voted on first? Which one was
voted on first? A The sense of the motions
was all the same thing.
Adams Wanted to Express Himself
Q. What was the use of passing two thenf
A. Adams passed the remark that he never
had expressed himself before, but he was
compelled to this time.
@. What cid he say? A. Well, that was
the same as Mr.. Carney; similar to his re-
marks.
Q. 1t was the remarks you were speaking
OF, not the motion? A. That was the
motion.
Q. Who made the motion that you have
been speaking Of that you were to go down
and prevent people from getting in the mill
and were to use iorce ii necessary? A The
motion was put all those that volunteered
to go down there were to stand up and we
all stood up, every one of us. That WAS the
motion, and to do duty all night, to prevent
any of them from getting to work.
@. AS q matter of fact wasn't the spirit of
that resolution this: that you were to organ
ize and present yourselves at the gates for
the purpose of persuading these people not
to go to work? a. Well, persuade them, yes,
and if"
Q. Now, answer my question. A. That was
it, but there was an addition to it.
Q. What was the addition? A. To use
force and allow no man to go in to work,
knock their heads of.
Q. That was the motion? A. 1t might not
have been just exactly those words
Q. You are putting that 10 it then? Who
said in the meeting that night that you were
to knock their heads Off A. That
was the rumor among the men.
@. Was that in the resolution A. Well, |
no.
Q. You are too much OF a Christian to vote
for resolution like that with an oath of
am too much oil a Christian.
The Resolutions Were Recorded.
Mr.. Breck-I wish you would state whether
this lodge had minutes or whether the reso-
lut1ors that were offered were written out |
the same as they usually are? A Yes, sir.
Mr.. Co1-Who was Secretaryf A. No one. |
Mr. Breck-Were these resolutions or mo- |
tions that were adopted in the shape of
speeches that were indorsed or were they |
resolutions written out? A. Resolutions and |
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Q. They were recordedf A. Yes, sir: and |
he has list of each and every member, |
minutes. |
go down and keep the men out of the works |
was recorded? A. Well, that l don't know, |
it was supposed to be.
Q. You didn't see the recording donef A. |
No sir.
Mr. Cox-what is your right name? A.
kneip.
@. That is the name you have gone by2 A.
That is my name.
O. What was your former narnef A. That
is my name.
O. What was your former name? How
many aliases have you hadT A. Lots of
Q. How long have you been connected
with the PinkertonsP A. Over two years
@. Where do you live? A. 1 live in Phila-
delDhia.
O. Whereabouts in Philadelphia? A. In
the Twenty sixth ward, 11O5 Geyrey street.
Q. Is that your name theref A. have no
other name.
q. Is that your name in the Philadelphia
directory? A. Yes sir.
Travels Under His Own Name.
Mr.. Breck-What Mr.. Cox means is whether
you travel under an alias OF under your own
name.
a. say that is my name; have no other
name.
Mr.. Cox-Is that your fathers namef A.
Yes, sir.
Q. What is his first manner A. George.