New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1892-05-14
$l3,5OO,OOO in all-wldch Is more than the cruiser
and battleship would cost.
Mr. Mcpherson denied correctness OF that stiec-

and battleship would cost.
Mr. McIherson denied the correctness OF that state
ment, and spoke Of the provisions OF the HOUSE o
and OF the Senate amendment as reckless, cA'ra'a
CANT and useless appropriation.
Mr. German replied with much warmth 10 MI Mc
Pherson's remarks that declared that there was no
power on earth that could enable the Dcmocatc party
to reduce the Sl50OCO,OOO OF pensions year. or 10
reduce the fixed expenses Of the Government or the
interest on the public debt or to reduce taxation The
question TO the type OF vessels that should be bu
Il question between the senator from New-Jersey
and the Navy Department But the great issue be-
tween the two political parties was fixed In the minds
OF the people, and 1t should not DO tempered witi
But those expenditures had been fixed and c0uld not
be repealed modified until the Democratic party
got control OF every branch OF the Government
Mr.. George-Docs the senator desire to be under
stood that there are now on the statute book pro
visions of law that require an annual expenditure OF
40 or 800 milliOns7
Mr.. Gorman-Ycs: practically that.
Mr.. Gcorgc-Is there any place where the ex-
penditures be reduced?
Mr. Mlls-Thcrc Is law the statute book re-
quiring an expenditure OF public money which IS
absolutely ignored and that Is the law which requires
sjOOOOOOO Of the pubic debt to be purchased yearly
and applied to the sinking fund.
Mr.. Gor1nan-The expenditures are growing year by
year.
Mr.. Gcorge-Are they Justly growingi
An INCREASE EVERY YEAR.
Mr. Gorman-Yes; they are Justly growing We had
an Administration that was rs honest anv In the
history Of the Government and yet the expenditures
grew during that four years. I have a table here
showing the figures Of appropriations for several Con-
crosses. In the XLIIId Congress Qs75 and '7G)
they were SG53,704ooO: in the XLvth ns7O
and '8O,. s7Oi 80. 600: In the XLvIIIth
0ss5 and 800. S655 $4,000: I'm the
XLIXth nos7 and 'ss) S740, ,342. .OOo in the Lth
1850 and 'OO). $o17 ,063,OOO In the List nso1 and
02), S3Ss,417 900. So that there has been an in
crease every Congress, with the exception Of the
XLvIIIth, no matter what Administration had been
IN power But the total expenditures under President
Ceveland's Administration greater than under
President Arthurs. And the country grows and you
% with the construction OF your Navy and open tho
hnrbors and deepen the rivers and make great guns
for the Army and Navy, these expenditures must In
The Senator from Mississippi (Nr George
asks how can they be reduced. They can DC reduced
when We reach the point (Which will be wthiu year
two) OF stopping further construction Of the Navy
When you have hand guns enough to place in the
forts. When you have enough torpedo boats to look
after your hnrbors and when you stop your appro-
priations for rivers and harbors When you come 10
tie PENSIONS the expenditures for them courageous
II TO increase pensions 10 such an extent must
continue until time opeintes T. reduce them. Both
sides Of TIE Chamber must face these stubborn facts
As the supl&ns & Is thing Of the past how td, can tEs
and / hope but few Republican,. who do not
know that It can b. bettered when the Demo
cratic party comes into power and rcmodels the
revenue laws But this cannot be done now.
A. anxious as am for economy, and a, firmly as
party believes In economy do not understand It's
history II supposed that II would be an obstacle.
do nothing. or would paralyzc the Government by
striking it at vital points. understand my party %
by economy and rcrcnciment that Il Is In
favor Of every proposition that looks to the develop
mont and glory OF this great country
During c,llOquy between Messrs Hale and Villas
Mr.. Hale alluded to the fact that Il It had not been
for the state Of preparation IN which the action Of
Congress and the activity Of secretary whitney had en-
abl,d the Navy 10 be put the country might have
been "hullcd" hy Chill. lie also said that hereafter
isolation from foreign affairs that 1t had been In FOR
the last thirty years.
Mr.. Villas remarked. in connection with the danger
from chilli TO which Mr.. Hale had referred. thnt IT
Whncy's administration that by the proparniloas as
which he hnd made for II the Government had been
saved from the injury and humiliation which II would
otherwise have suffered
Mr. Hale admitted all the credit that was due to
Mr.. whitney. but said that Mr.. Chandler, when
secretary OF the Navy had been engaged In the same
work and was entitled tD the Hike credit. -
Mr. IIawlcy expressed profound satisfaction win
the general tone OF the debate, which showed that.
without regard to party. the senate OF ne 'hlteu
ever AS matter Of history, that two years before Mr.
Cleveland became President Congress had provided
for the construction of the Chicago. the Atlanta,
the HOstOn and the Dolphin, n the first act III
the 'ruciion OF the new ANA glorious Navy
MIR Mills t.luoing Mr.. Cleveland. said that IL
n condition and not theory that coh'ronten tnr
.euat. to day The Treasury said he. is bank
th. Gas Of the Republic let us cmancpate our com
merce and let the commercial marine of the Kepno-
lie b. seen on all the waters and In all the harbors
Of the carth.' . ,
mcnt the senate at j 80 adjourned till Monday.