Pittsburg dispatch. [volume] (Pittsburg [Pa.]) 1880-1923, 1891-09-23
HOME RULE is CERTAIN.
Gladstone VIII Fight the House of Lords,
Says Henry Labouchere-If He Were an
American He Would BE Strong Pro-

Says Henry Labouchere-If He Were ar
American He Would BE Strong Pro-
tectionist.
LONDON, Sept 22.-The Herald correspond
ent cables his paper as follows: This morn.
ing in the gardens of tho Hotel Bellevue, !
had an interesting interview with Mr.. Henry
Labouchere. I opened fire on the subject OF
the forthcoming general election in En-
gland.
"Mr. Labouchere, have you seen Mr.. Glad
stones article in the Nineteenth Century, in
which he claims that the Liberals will obtain
majority of 150 seats at the next general
election?'
"I do not think the majority will be so
large, and should rather put it at about CO.
L think we shall lose in Ireland possibly II
seats-four in Ulster to the Conservatives
and six to the Parnellites.
Against this we should increase our ma
tority considerably in Scotland. We should
have all Wales and, with the exception of per-
haps three seats, England. We shall gain
largely in the north and eastern counties
and in the southwest counties. This, with
a few seats we shall pick up elsewhere, will
give us majority of at least 60. We shall
not gain largely in Lancaster, which for
some reason is Conservative. Nor shall
we gain many more seats in London owing
to our bad organization and the great diff
Guilty in inducing workingmen to come to
the poll"
The Parnellite Seats.
"You. say Mr.. Parnell will gain only six
are you sure of this?"
81 am not sure that he will gain SIX" re-
piled Mr.. Labouchere. "He is utterly dis
credited. The accession of o Brien and Dill
Ion to the anti-Parnelites is the last blow
dealt him. He has with him noisy section
in Dublin, and may gain all the seats there
and one in Limerick and one in Waterford.
believe the Irish anti-Parnellites would
not admit the possibility of this. The
h hn0 1NnN
term his immortality and he has of late played
the game of his opponents by his reckless
mendacity and by bidding for the vote of
the ultra Fenian section, which, whatever it
may be in America, has no voting strength
in Ireland"
"And do You justify the action of the Lib
erals in throwing him over on account Of
the divorce exposures?" asked.
SIN politics the most immoral will admit
the dictation of expediency. do not enter
into the moral question, but there is no
doubt that had we stood by him we should
have lost at the next general election, for
the Nonconformists conscience is a very i'm
portant electoral factor. We had therefore
to decide between the cause and the man,
ly bound not to prefer the man to the cause"
"And if Mr.. Gladstone does have ma
tority will there be bona fide Home Rule
Certainly Mr. Gladstone is in earnest
and he holds that the measure will be so
large and generous as to settle the question
reasonable Irishmen. His measure will be
supported ~ his followers in the House of
Commons, for they will be pledged by their
constituents to vote for it."
The Issue With the House of Lords.
81 suppose the House of Lords will throw
it out?"
"That is very probable" rejoined Mr. La
bouchere. eve shall send up to them not
only Home Rule bill but also two or three
iO1, II
also throw out. A dissolution will, there
fore take place, not alone on the Home Rule
bill, but upon the issue whether the Lords
are to be allowed to ignore the will of the
nation. The Lords, rs it is are thoroughly
unpopular and they will be swept off the po-
Htical chessboard."
what do you think of the Mckinley
tariff"
~ have never believed that the principles
of political economy are of universal appli-
cation. Free trade suits u.s. but if 1 had
been an American should have been pro-
tectionist 20 years ago"
do you think many English manutactur-
ers will send exhibits to the Chicago Exhibit
tion2''
'T should fancy that it is somewhat doubt
full. l do not see what they would gain by
so doing if their goods are kept out of the
country by prohibitive duties. If they do
send out they ought to ticket prices in order
that Americans might see what they really
might buy goods were there no duty on
them. This would be a very useful object
"What do you think of the future of Can
ada?"
"Well, if were Canadian 1 am inclined
to think that should cut the connection
with England, but being an Englishman
l have no wish that Canada should
do so. 1 would rather be master in
my own house, even if were a cot
tage, than live in sort of back garden to q
nobleman's mansion. The stronger and
more powerful Canada becomes the more
American it will become, and the more
European connection. Whether it will be
an independent republic or whether it joins
the United States will depend very much on
the current Of popular opinion at the mo
l should be in favor of union with the
United States. 1t seems to me very grand
idea that one continent should have one gov
ernment, and that government not the des-
potism of an individual but the deliberate
will of nation"
Mr.. Morley Predicts a Fight.
Mr.. John Morley delivered a speech at
Cambridge this evening. He said the next
general election would be straight fight
between Liberals and Tories; there would
be no uissident Liberal party. He disputed
in oetail the claims whereon the Conserva-
tives would base their appeal to the coun-
try-namely, their foreign policy, construct
i've craftsmanship and pacification of Ire
land. The whole cost and risk of England's
indefinite and persistent occupation of
ernment and free education bills were mere
ly skeleton bills.
The Irish Land Purchase bill was monu-
ment of destructive rather than construct
i've craftsmanship. The extreme safeguards
and restrictions which he predicted would
accompany the Irish Local Government bill
would only prolong and embitter Irish con-
uroversies in Parliament. Though he diff
fered with the ajority of the Newcastle
Congress on the eight-hour question he
hailed the discussion with hope and salts
faction, having every confidence in the
soundness of the ultimate Judgment of
workers seeking to improve their own well
manage all their local affairs before tackling
social reforms. However, the Liberals must
fulfil their home rule pledges.
Sir John L. GorSt, political Secretary of
the India Office, who according to popular
report, was to have succeeded the late Post
master General Raikes, in an interview to-
day upon the English land question, de-
clined to commit himself to any definite
plan for the settlement of this grievance.
He said, however:
something must and will be done or a
revolution is certain. l do not mean q
bloody revolution, but l mean that the
people will demand possession Of the land
to do so and they are dissatisfied with their
lot. Consequently, they will have things
altered. Allotments may palliate, but they
will not solve the difficulty.
"The Conservatives ought to attempt the
solution of anything that would stop emf
grafton and keep the people from hocking
into the towns. Give them an interest in
now inquiring into the condition of the
rural laborers and the smaller class of farm
ers l am Il learner and am cleaning, by
personal contact, facts which will justify