The Daily bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Hawaii]) 1882-1895, 1891-11-20
the BONE AND siSsW.
large and Interesting Meeting Oh f"c
Nechan cs' Union.

meeting to order at s O'Clock, "hen
tho enrollment of new members took
place. Over fifty recruits were en-
listed, some of whom being present
were asked to sign the roll. Inc
"minine act" as the president called
it. caused several members to "dlg
for contributions of ducats for the
maintenance of the association.
DR.. G. T. Rodgers and Mr.
Myer of the Reform Party, and Hon
R. w. Wilcox and other members
of the Liberal Party attended the
meeting. -,
The President announced the
subject of debate for the evening 10
be, .'The Election of Government
Officers by the People" lie remark
ed that to have election OF olilcefs
constitutional change would have TO
be made. and it was for them to con-
slider whether it was desirable TO
have such a change. In England no
civil servants were elected. A mem
her of the House of Commons on
accepting Cabinet position there
had to resign his seat and run his
election over again TO have his ap-
pointment confirmed by the people.
If he lost the election he gave up his
seat and his Cabinet office likewise.
United States federal officers were
not elected but appointed. State
and county officers were mainly elect
ed. They should consider whethre
to remain under system similar to
that of the English monarchy
this was monarchy too-and the
American national system, or adopt
a system that would place the king
dom in the category of a county
government in the States. Ii I'M
portant officers had to have their APP
pointments ratified by the Legisla-
ture. perhaps it would be safe
change to make. The reason for the
Propositions being in the draft OF
the platform was because of official
incapaclty produced by the putting
in office of their personal favorites
by Ministers without regard to tit
ness.
Hon. A. Marques said he came tc
listen and not to speak.
Capt. John Ross was in favor o.
an elective system. The words,
government by the people, for the
people, and of the people, haf
been much worn for few years
without the people having much t.
do with their own affairs after all
He would say let the Legislature
, elect the Ministers, and see how |
would work. Perhaps the peopl
would he better served, and Their
might be less of favoritism.
: Mr.. j. f. Bowler said the election
of Ministers by the Legislature nigh
. open the way to great deal of cor
rupuon. Men might try to buy thel
way into the Legislature in order t
become Cabinet Ministers, and t
!! buy members up 10 vote for them fo
Ministers. 1t might be all right If
law we're passed at next sesslo
enacting that no person elected I
the Legislature could be elected
the Cabinet. This would stop me
from gong into the Legislature Il
what they could make ont OF
4, When this Union was started flrs
one of its cardinal principles was
put down office. seeking. The
should act on that, aud put an end
: members having their supporters a
pointed to soft positions in retu'
for helping to elect them. lax a
SCISSORS and road supervisors shou
be elected by the districts in whit
they serve, prov ided they could p
up the bonds to ensure honest SC
vice.
~ Mr.. Sam Kuula thought the pl
vious speakers were off the trac
The great question was which W
seIt the strongest party in the fiel
'h' There were three or four parties Q
rcr and it was for this body to build
tor self up for the election.
The President informed the spea
err he was not talking to the snbje
An amusing parley ensued betwe
the ''foor' and the 'chair," endi
q in the formers subsiding.
NJ Mr.. ID. M. Crowley said lal
number of officers in England w
elected, such as poor law guard;
n and school trustees. Latterly til
I had elective county councils iE Il
- country. Still the civil service in
British countries that the speal
knew was kept free from politi
He briefly sketohed the system as
a. knew it, with its promotions,
* He thought the heads OF departing
- in this country should be elect
AS to the Cabinet he favored
=. Swiss system of having it elected
v the Legislature. If the Legislat
u passed vote of want of confide
in Cabinet elected by the peoI
it might be very inconyenient to h
or. a new election of Ministers in
. middle of the session.
Mr.. Walter Brash said if t
thought they could improve mat
J. by electing heads of departments
all means try it, but, for his p
- he believed that under such sys
the heads of departments woulo