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The progressive farmer. [volume] (Winston, N.C.) 1886-1904, 1891-12-08
Mr.. DIXON ON THE ALLIANCE.

The Rev. Thomas Dixon had some
thing to say for the Farmers Alliance
yesterday in his remarks preceding his
sermon in Association Hall. He said
that it was by no means sure that the
recent election had proved a death
blow to the AIIiance-"this nameless
hobgoblin with hayseed in it's hair"
1.-The simple truth is" he said, THAT
all this talk about the death of the
Farmers Alliance and Industrial Union
is cheap partisan twaddle."
Its life was not involved in the
fight. 1t was not seriously affected by
these elections because it is primarily a
moral, not a political movement. The
movement is in its last analysis a reli-
gious movement and finds it's basis on
the religious nature of the millions of
under masses who compose it's rank
and file.
mot a single one of the problems
that gave birth to this movement has
been met as yet, They have not even
been given a hearing. They have been
hooted out of court by the hired assas
sins Of thought in the older parties,
who fight not for principle but for
office.
I'm spite of good crops, gambling in
the bread of a starving world still
holds its carnival of hell on the floor
of your exchanges"
Conservatives may boot and pooh.
and bah! but the movement is one of
the restless power. You had as well
try to sweep back the sea with a goose's
tail feather as to try to stop it with the
pen of ridicule. You had as well try
to dam Niagara with an anathema."-
NelU York Herald.
The progressive farmer. [volume] (Winston, N.C.) 1886-1904, 1891-12-08
HAS COME TO STAY.

The Sub Treasury plan has arrived
at that stage of existence where it is
perfectly able to care for itself, says
the National Economist.
1t is no longer wearing infants cloth
ing, but stalks forth in the garb of
manhood, ready and anxious to meet
all Corners It will be a sad and wiser
individual who seeks to bar it's onward
march by an attempt to supplant it
with something more palatable for the
two old parties. The great common
people ami the Sub Treasury plan are
in perfect accord and will submit to no
interference. Let no one be alarmed
about the Sub Treasury plan being pre-
served intact. It is the bulwark of the
Order and is so recognized by every
candid member of the Alliance. This
fact has become so firmly rooted and
grounded that no innovation ever so
triaing will be permitted.
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THEY r ROTTEN.

The Wilmington Messenger says that
a new Alliance has been formed by
anti Sub Treasury Alliancemen and
that they will cut off the radical
wing of the Alliance in the North
west" Nodoubt the Democratic annex
would cut off the Northwest according
to the dictates of Wall street, but the
sweet fact remains that the Alliance
remains just as it did before. Hall and
McAllister and their associates are
nothing but political cranks and are
not even fit to belong to a political
party. That is why they were bounced
out of our Order. A man who is too
low down to be a member of "the
party" is getting pretty low.
The progressive farmer. [volume] (Winston, N.C.) 1886-1904, 1891-12-08
THE GREAT

Plain Talk gets off the folIowir.
about the difference in interest rrdoo
the present system and what it woul9
be in certain cases if the Sub-Trpas,Ir~
was in operation:
The Sub Treasury plan may be GIN
practical; )" but suppose, for instance
that the farmers of Union county Wor3
only compelled to pay 2 per cent on
the $50, OGO they borrowed during tho
thirty days between October 14tR and
November 14th. The interest on $40
900 for one year at 2 per cent. wonId
equal $1,000. The probability is that
under the present plan this monev
costs them an average of 70 per cent
The interest on $50, 600 at 70 per cent
for one "a is Sc, 900; and the diffnr
ence between the Sub Treasury nian
and the present plan is the difference
between $1,000 and $4,000. In Other
words the farmers would save S. 000 .
month by the adoption of the Sub-Treas'
ury and land loan plan. Would this
not be q very practical method Of in.
creasing the prosperity of the farmer
The progressive farmer. [volume] (Winston, N.C.) 1886-1904, 1891-12-08

the fight is on. New Orleans and
Houston have joined the Galveston
merchants in the fight, and it will
probably be taken up by other South
ern cities. For once the trust will be
compelled to back down for the South,
ern merchants will not be forced to
buy of them if they go without tobacco,
and there are a number of manufac-
turers outside of the trust that they
can patronize. The attorney general
also steps into the fight and proposes
to have the officers of the trust indicted
under our statutes.
The progressive farmer. [volume] (Winston, N.C.) 1886-1904, 1891-12-08
YES, VERY LIKE A WHALE.

Third Lieutenant Polk is back in
| Raleigh and has not heard anything Of
a Third party. All was lovely and Sc.
rene in the Indianapolis Alliance Con.
vention. There was not a ripple of dis.
cord. Not a word has been said Or
heard of a Third party. Well, we'll
Just as we thought. And vet how
does all this tally with the dispatches
great country and were never contra.
dicted. every like a whale" Or is it
a weasel?- Wilmington Messenger.
Yes. The Third Lieutenant has been
in Raleigh. But never said that he
heard nothing of the Third party. He
said the Third party was not men
toned in the Alliance meeting. The
Third Lieutenant is a truthful man,
Notwithstanding the fact that he reads
papers like the Messenger. Hence he
would not say he had never heard of
the Third party.
The Third Lieutenant said nothingo of
a whale or a weasel. But the writer
heard a man remark one day recently
land he was neither a Third Lieuten.
ant nor an Ii. d. that the Third
party must be a whale the way it is
swallowing up the voters belonging to
the other parties"
We hear that there is a Third"
Fourth" or Sixth" party going
around seeking whom it may devour.
1t is called the "People's party" 1t
evidently is mot afraid of the devil"
as a citizen of this State once re,
marked, for it has actually stole a good
deal of the Ocala platform in making
up its platform of principles. But this
is neither here nor there. The Third
Lieutenant, who won his title on the
battlefield, has been here. The Doctor
of Laws, who won his title through the
kindness of a college faculty, can't tell
a whale from a weasel.
The progressive farmer. [volume] (Winston, N.C.) 1886-1904, 1891-12-08
TEA SEEDS FREE.

The Horticultural Division of the n.
G. Experiment Station will send a
package of tea seeds to all applicants
who enclose a %one-cent stamp to pay
postage. These seeds should be planted
at once and covered two or three inches
deep. The top of the soil should be
covered with pine straw during the
winter.
Address Prof. W. F. Massey, Raj
e1gh, n. c., enclosing stamp.
The progressive farmer. [volume] (Winston, N.C.) 1886-1904, 1891-12-08
SOME OF THE CAUSES OF HARD
TIMES.

In casting about to discover how
some people get poor and how some
get vastly rich, we cannot begin to
realize it all unless we go into a thor
ough investigation.
The New York correspondent of the
Richmond Dispatch throws some Light
on the subject of high salaries paid in
that city. 1t is very interesting read,
ing:
In a recent letter I made mention
of a few of the high salaries that were
paid in New York, and since then
friends have kindly supplied me with
a great deal of information on this
subject, which strikes me as being in.
teresting to the general reader. We
all know that politics is fat if it is cut
right, but it will be news to many,
even in these immediate parts, to learn
that John Courtney, of Brooklyn,
Sheriff of Kings county, earns S6O,OW
a year, at least his office is worth that
to him, and that John Cottier, the
county clerk of Kings, is $50, 900 richer
every year from his Office. In a SUN
against a baking powder company the
information was brought out, some
what reluctantly, that the president o.
the concern draws a salary Of S5OWV
a year, and the vice-presiden5 S3O,UVU
In the same trial the president OF
paint and varDish company was placed
on the stand as an expert on corpora
ton salaries He testified that the ST.
perlntendent of his company was pala
$4,000 a year. The president was NOV
asked to testify as to what his OWL
salary was. The imagination OF t1sg
jury was left to soar and satisfy ltsel
on that point if it could. John Hoe1
was paid $50, 900 a year as president u
the Adams Express Company, WnCn
may account for the anxiety OF In0
other gentlemen to get his place a1Isl
he had spent forty years in buildnguP
that great and powerful ~cOrporatloli
In the $50, 900 class may be mentions
DIR. NOrvin Green, president OF t'
Western Union Telegraph Company,
Chauncey M. Depew, president Of y"
New York Central; Henry B. Hyuo
and Richard NJ. McCurdy, the wv
latter presidents of insurance cOm
panies. Another high-salaried msm
ance president is John r. HegemaJ,
who lately succeeded the late JOSEPH
Knapp, of the Metropolitan. His sal"[it
IS perhaps around the $50, 900 marx.
Is not so many years since Mr.. hessik
man was a clerk at about $40 a WE II
IN another insurance company, ouI If
Is a man who has advanced becaUST9 og
his own merit. The bankers IN nUr
York are not so well paid as the llS ore
ance men, although none OF theH enan,
suffering personally from any lbs,
clal stress. George @. Williams laid
dent of the Chemical Bank, Is PPork
$25, 900; President Potts, of the the
Bank, and President Tappan, %
Gallatin National, a like sum.
The progressive farmer. [volume] (Winston, N.C.) 1886-1904, 1891-12-08

purpose of getting Office" These very
men were in the Order first and when
these papers accuse them Of joining for
the purpose of getting office, they
simply kill their own logic. Get up a
new gag or else hold your mouth.
With all due respect for their
feelings, we ask DR.. Kingsbury and
some other editors in North Carolina
to wait until they know something
about the Alliance and its workings be-
fore they discuss it. A number Of
them either Intentionally misrepresent
the Order or else are grossly ignorant.
The Nashville TOiIer is right
when it says: 1T is only a matter of
time when the great mass, the rank
and file of American citizens, will rise
and in one voice demand the di5arming
of p~lutocracy. The tide of reform has
set in and it may be temporarily di-
verified, but permanently impeded,
never"
1t is reported that a man 124
years old and a woman 80 were married
in Atlanta recently. This may be So,
and no doubt they had Alright to marry
if they wanted to. The two old par
ties married in some Of the Northwest
ern States recently. They wasn't
quite as old as the Georgia couple,
however.
~ Some of the State papers continue
t. rehash that old lie about "seces-
sion" from the indianapolis meeting.
Hall and McAllister, the traitors, had
already been ousted from the Order
and were refused admittance to the
meeting at Indianapolis. They are
the only brainy men that have
. seeded
~ The MeckIenburg Times, which
always manages to discover anything
detrimental to 1.-The party" but which
never has been able to do anything for
the farmers, has discovered that a
Third party is being organized in
Mecklenburg county. We suggest
that the Hornets Nest Rifflemen be
called out to protect the poor farmers.
y. Will Josiah the jaded war horse)
put III an appearance at Indianapolis
as be did at Halls St. Louis meeting?
Not a bit of it. He knows Ben Terrell
will be on hand and he breads q Texas
cow boy-they always ride anything
that looks like a horse. Even your
uncle Josiah's long ears didn't keep
Terrell off of him, says the Nashville
TOiler.
~ A few days ago a lady and her
two daughters were robbed of a dia-
mond necklace worth $751; 900 a watch
worth s., 900 and several rings amount
ing to several thousand dollars more
This happened near New York City.
Those who exhibit such extravagant
luxuries where there is 50 much suffer
ing for n~ecessaries, are not to be pitied
when they are robbed.
The progressive farmer. [volume] (Winston, N.C.) 1886-1904, 1891-12-08
NO CRITICISM.

At the indianapolis Convention,
President Polk delivered an address
setting forth the evils that endanger
the country at the present time. This
was published two weeks ago. So far
not a single paper that we have seen
has undertaken to dispute the facts
as set forth in that message, and none
of them have even referred to it.
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n. r. P. A.
NOTES.

The Hickory Mercury advertises
for ten cords of wood at once" We
suppose Bro. Click is going to heat
'em up.
The Louisiana State Alliance has
expelled nine members Of the legisla-
ture because they voted for the Lot
terry. Hurrah for Louisiana!
The Hickory Mercury refers to
Webster's Weekly as an EYE opener"
That is correct; it is not only an eye
opener, but a tooth puller," also,
- After paying 81, 46O, OOO, 900 on
the public debt we still owe 81, $50, OOO,
900. This does not include what you
owe this newspaper for your subscrip-
ton.
X. Mr.. Peele writes an article this
week about Col. Folks address, which
the readers of this paper will do well
to consider. It appears in another
column.
The Southport Leader, one of the
brightest and best weekly papers in
the State, has recently enlarged and
otherwise improved it's appearance,
Success to it.
- The Charlotte Chronicle intimates
that the Republican party has lived on
account of the errors of the Democratic
party. 1t looks like those errors ought
to be corrected then, don't it?
X. Viii not some good brother in
each Sub Alliance in North Carolina
rise at the next meeting and ask this
question: els any brother present in
arrears to The PROGRESSIVE FARMER
~ One Of the strange anomalies is
the rejoicing of the Democratic press
Of the South over the fact that Kansas
Republicans succeeded in electing a
few circuit judges, says the Nashville
TOiler.
~ The alliance Tribune, quoting a
report, says the Alliance is Losing
ground" and goes on to say, Eyes,
they r losing ground. Millions of
acres are going and soon we will not
own any of our farms"
~ Some Of the papers continue to
refer to the Alliance split" These
papers had better look for leaks and
"splits" in other directions. The ALI
ance split is not their property, even
if there had been a split.
~ So far as we have seen, the PIOaO,
Horne 091d Grin edited nv Mr. n T
Johnston, Lincolnton, is the only paper
in North Carolina, outside of the re-
form press, that has published or men
toned President Folks message. Are
they afraid to do it?
~ DR.. r. L. Beall, an old and highly
respected citizen of Caldwell county,
died at his home, near Lenoir, a few
DAYS ago of heart failure following
pneumonia. He had held several posi-
tions of prominence aud was an active
member of the Alliance.
~ a wag in this Office intimated
that there was a political base ball
nine" in the State the other day. He
further said that another nine ought
to be organized for the purpose of play
ing a match game. Our devil promptly
put him out of the building,
The China Grove Dart and a few
other papers insist that the members of
the Alliance should watch those men
VINO have Joined the order for the
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IMPORTANT.

Our special Alliance subscription
proposition will be mailed to every
Sub-Alliance Secretary in North Caro-
lima next week. Call for it at your
next meeting, have it read and act
upon it without fail.
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Inc ~Sub-Treasury is the balm of
Gilead. "
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RALEIGH, N. c., DEC. s, 1891.
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Port Office in Raleigh, N. c.
The Roanoke times. [volume] (Roanoke, Va.) 1890-1895, 1891-11-04
Paper on Sc werage.

The next meeting or the Commercial
Association will be held on Tuesday
evening. November 10, at which a care
fully prepared paper will be read on "a
Sewage System for Roanoke" by c. C
Wentworth, of the American Bridge
and Iron Company. MIR. Wentworth is
prominent engineer of fine technical
training and entirely competent to give
the matter most adequate treatment.
Like most o: the engineers of Roam
oke, he favors MIR. Herings interceptor,
but it is safe to say that in the discus
sion which will follow his paper his
argument will not escape criticism.
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w Fl o w IA M II s.

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Stable 4ox1oo, blacksmith shop, two
story house. buggies, blackboard and
wagons, 5 single sets harness. double
sets summer and winter lap robes.
Buildings and entire outfit new. Eighs
young sound horses. Receipts $500 to
$500 per month. Population 1000 and
only stable. Reason for selling an ex-
cess OF partnership. Como early for the
price will sell it.
WHO WANTS
To trade house and lot for choice
business lot?
WHO WANTS
Portland Cement, Rosendale Cement,
Texas Lime. Cloverdale Lime or Calcine
PiasterP We have it at close pricos fer
cash.
n. w. cRoWL Real Estate Co,
No. S Salem Ave.
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SPECIAL NOTICES.
Advertisements In this column WIN repay
pcrusal.

TIVE BARN-YARD CADETS WHO
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BUSINESS NOTICES.
DIssoLUTIoN NOTICE.

The partnership heretofore existing
between John Sexton, Geo. o. Houston
and j. A. Mcconnell is this day dis.
solved by mutual consent. All debts
contracted on the Dillon quarry, Big
Creek and Coal Creek work will be set
tied by Geo. o. Houston.
Oct 2, 1891. JOHN SEXTON.
GEO. o. HOUSTON.
oct4-30ds j. A. MCCONNELL.
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NOTICE OF MEETINGS.

THERE WILL BE A GENERAL MEETING
4 OF the stockholders of The Powell Real Rs
tate Investment Company at the office OF Scott
" Rivcs. in the city of Roanoke. on Tuesday,
December |, 1891 at O'Clock p. IN. all stock
holders are requested to be present In person or
by proxy. BY order of the board of directors,
A. l.. PAYNE,
noVl-lmo Secretary.
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The Academy of Music.

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NOTICE.

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mutual consent. All debts contracted
on tho Wise county. Virginia, work
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NOTICE
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-, d, Kemp. .10.......... ...... 5000
T. Boil1ng. ~. Observation-Disclosures. $50 90
F. b. Kemp& Co.......1O ................. $1,000
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WINCH, Secretary and Treasurer,
October 10th, 1881. oct1Otds
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Court OF Appeals and U. S. Courts;
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