The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1891-10-18

waste any money in this way and we dis
cuSSed the situation and debated whether
we should change the character of the fra
ternity or leave it. We decided to make it
good fraternity. We organized debat-
ing society and before the end of that year
we had made it a irst-class college literary
association. We then rented hall and
gave dinner, and at this dinner l made
my flrst after-dinner speech. l don't re-
member very much about it, save that 1
got through with it all right
How are the English? Are they good
after dinner speakers"
mo, they are not" replied Mr.. Depew
''The English lack the element OF humor
Which makes up such an important part Of
the American character and they don't ap-
preciate the after-dinner speech as we do
they make some speeches at their dinners,
! Out IL Is not uncommon for speech to be
two hours long, and two-hour speech
without the humorous element has to be
extraordinarily good to be worth listen
ing tor
GREAT FOREIGNERS AS CHAUNCEY SEES THEM.
From after-dinner speaking, the CONVEX
satlon drifted to other matters. and Mr..
Depew ctatted with me concerning some
OF the noted people across the water He
is close friend of the Prince of Wales
he knows Gladstone intimately, and there
is hardly prominent man in England with
whom he has not been more or less associ-
| ated. l asked him to give me an idea of
the Prince of Wales. Said Mr.. Depew:
1.-The Prince of Wales is more of ma
than he gets credit for being. The English
! government is so constituted that he is not
able to show what is in him. Born the
heir to the great English throne and to
that OF the great Empire of India, he has
been forced to spend his more than fifty
years IN inactivity. His sole duties have
been to preside at openings of expositions,
to make speeches at the laying Of corner
stones and to act as an orna-
mental figure at charity balls
he has been permitted to do anything he
has done it perfectly. His speeches have
been excellent and he is noted for being
able to say just the right thing at the right
time. He has good memory for faces and
names, is personally very popular and he
average abilities. He is what we would
call an all-around good fellow He is
naturally very industrious and ne has not q
| lazy hair in his head. Had England diff
ferent system Of treating her to- be rulers
she might have made of him the greatest
bureaucrat in Europe. Suppose the Prince
OF Wales on arriving at his majority had
been treated as the son Of one of our great
railway managers is treated. The railway
mans son is given place low down in the
offices of the road. After he has learned
this, he is advanced step by step to the
operating department. and if he shows
himself worthy, he continues to ad-
vance until he learns the whole
machinery of the railway and is
fitted at last to take charge OF the road.
Suppose the Prince of Wales had been given
an asslstant-secretaryship of the treasury
"a place where he would have had to do
with all the routine and detail of the Office
| without being able to affect it's policy.
After he had been here for some time, sup
pose he had been transferred to similar
place in the colonial Office and after some
years transferred to an under ministership
OF war. In this way he might have learned
the inner workings Of the great govern
ment of which he IS in the future to be the
head. He would have learned men as well
as parties and government machinery and
he would now De lifted to take charge of
the government at any moment. His ma
| ture IS OF that kind that such life would
nave been pleasure TO him. His tastes are
ali Tor work and when they put him on the
| commission to investigate certain questions
not long ago, understand he worked like q
| Trojan
How about his love for American
girls!" said J.
That is true" replied Mr.. Depew, 'the
Prince is fond of American girls a am
not surprised at it. He likes the vvivac-
| lty, their independence and their original
| lty and they are quite refreshing in Eng
lish society whore the girls are taught to
be timld and backward. L have, however,
never heard of any scandals being con
nected with the Prince of Wales and any
American girl
GLADsToNE's WONDERFUL VERSATILITY.
How did MIR. Gladstone impress you ln
l asked.
| Mr LODI
| undoubtedly very great man but do
not think he would be as great in America
as he is in England. He is in some respects
the most wonderful man ! have ever heard
| OF, and he is the most versatile man | have
ever known. We have no one here now
nor IN our history who compares with him.
The nearest approach to him was Edward
Everett Daniel Webster was q great
orator, but he confined himself to politics.
Roscoe Conkling was another great orator,
| out he never spoke except on politics Our
| greatest preachers never get out of the
pulpit, but Gladstone can make great
speeches in half dozen different fields
ana surprise you by his wonderful
| ability in all. You may hear him in
the house of commons delivering a
great speech enunciating a new pol
| ICY OF government for England or
ner colonies. 1T is eloquent, and full of
thought and you are carried away with the
reasoning powers and craftsmanship it dis
plays. IL is perhaps accepted by the house.
and 1t may be that it does not need the i'm
mediate attention OF Mr.. Gladstone upon
the floor. Then the great statesman NAV
leaye the house of commons and if Won fol-
low him you may find that he goes to some
| scientino association or circle of noted
llterateurs. II among the scientists. YOU
may hear him discuss the subject before
the meeting with all the ability he dis
played in the house of commons. In scien-
tlfic language he will paint the fine shades
OF thought in biology or evolution, or with
equal learning give you an opinion on
new phase OF discovery in geology or as
to the constituent elements of the proto
plasmlc age. Among body of scholars ha
may discuss the effect of Greek literature
on the literature of Europe, or show how
the soul of Homer is travelling through the
WORKS OF the poets of to-day"
II remember" Mr.. Depew went on. ian
evening spent with Mr. Gladstone | was
the only guest at dinner which gentle
man gave to enable me to become more
acquainted with him. We sat two hours at
the table, and during the meal MIR. Glad
stone talked of the great questions of
European and American politics, and |