The Irish standard. [volume] (Minneapolis, Minn. ;) 1886-1920, 1891-02-07
MR.. MORLEY AT NEWCASTLE
The Wider and Fuller the Measure OF
Self-Government for ireland,
the Better.
THE HAWARDEN INTERVIEW,

a People Unfit to Have Control Of nhei
Own Police Are Not Fit for Home
Rule at All,
On Jan. 13 Mr.. John Morley address
ed his constituents at Newcastle. The
town hall was packed with a dense
throng. During his speech the rlgh'
hon. gentleman said: What are the
facts Of this famous and painful sltua
ton? 1t was nv duty to consult witt
Mr. Paruell as to the business in the
coming session. In Che course OF q
free conversational free and coniden
tial conversation, and I have had many
Of them during the last five years with
Mr.. Parnell Il said TO him interroga-
lively. in @ single sentence, the very
form Of which showed that there was
no offer, I said that [ assumed he still
| felt it impossible for himself, as chief
secretary, or any follower of his, to
take Office. had no shadow Of right.
power or authority to make any offer.
1 think am the last man in England
to be guilty Of the impertinenca and
absurditv Of offering that which was
not mine to give (Cheers.) Mr.. Glad
stone never said word to me upon
this subject at any time, a1d all this
about the offer Is an afterthought. The
point was raised on my responsibility
alone, and say more, it was a very
proper and a very natural point for me
to raise. (Cheers.) say, gentlemen,
that should Gail thaJ English states
man very sensible man who should
eudeagor to get the active. detailed,
responsible concurrence of an Irish
leader in framing home rule bill. and
should call that statesman very for
tunate man, and Ireland and Great
| Britain very fortunate countries, it they
succeeded. tCheeEs. We'll, ON The
point itself I have no remark to make,
but they say-and | am really almost
huniliated at having to deal wish de-
tails, paltry details of This kind, DuG as
| l. observe It has Dec0ne Tory myth to
do duty in false form on Tory plat
forms. may as well deal fully with
the ragged edge OF it-manY say, ''Oh,
but that was five days before the divorce
trial, and you knew there was no de-
fence'' That 1s not true. g. defence
was ON the record. The defence was
not abandoned till the last moment.
rCheers.) 1t may be very old intirm-
lty. bat with me I tell you it is AL lncu-
rable ln6rmzty; l. am not going 20 treat
any man as condemned until he is tried.
(Cheers.j L am not going to say any
more on that subject now or at any
other time. / have only Just TO say
that when | consider all the dealings
bet Ween Mr.. Parnell and myself, / have
no apology to make ana no excuse to
offer either to YOU, who are my
constituents cheers or to my COL
leagues who may be in some degree in
volved, or to any other being on the
surface on the habitable globe. (Cheers.)
There was speech made On Sunday
last at Limerick, and in that speech
reference was made to what took place
at the interview at Hawarden between
Mr.. Gladstone and Mr.. Parnell. Now,
/ have direct authority to saw that after
reading that speech Mr.. Gladstone
maintains that not a single proposal
was made at Hawarden-that is to say.
thst no proposition was mentioned to
which assent was asked. The circum-
stances were these: Mr.. Farnell had
acted as warm friend OF the bill of
1885, and he had in 1889, when this
interview took place, the confidence of
eighty. five Irish membert. So Mr..
Gladstone properly and naturally named
to him various suggestions, And why2
In order to improve his own knowledge
of the 6eld within which the ex minis
ters might confer with one another
upon those suggestions with the assent
of the Irish mem bers Gentlemen, T
have Mr.. Gladstone's direct authority
TO state that neither the constabulary
nor the magistraey were mentioned,
and it was not proposed to hand over
the judiciary to the British government,
either for ten years or for any other
period. loud cheers.) ALL I need say
II don It think need say more with
reference to the Hawarden interview.
is that Mr.. Parnelrs own account of
that interview, from January to J une.
1890. In public and in private, is a snf-
6cient vindicatlon for Mr.. Gladstone.
if Mr.. Gladstone needs any vindication.
British opinion must be considered,
like Irish opinion. The Irish know
that as well as we do; and it is Iratlon-
al to suppose that the Irish, who, al I
say. have as good an eye to their own
interests as other people, that the Irish,
simply because they failed TO Get their