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Morning appeal. [volume] (Carson City, Nev.) 1877-1906, 1891-03-29
Consultation and Examination
Free.
DIR. HERDAN-
Specia1ist.

Diseases of Women and Children
and Private Diseases a Speciality.
Office and Residece Inverness Hotel
Rooms /, 2, 3, and 4.
DIR. Moscu I. Herdan German
Physician and Surgeon, regular
graduate of Medical Schools of Eu-
rope. Surgecn-in-Chief to five ar
artillery regiments in Turkish hos
pitfalls and Europe, has established
an Office at, arlington Hotel where
he can be found every Monday COM
mencing the 10th, between the
hours of II and Z 80 O'Clock for the
general practice Of Medicine and
Surgery, and will successfully treat
all diseases no matter how long
standing nor by what physicians
given up. He makes a speciality
of curing all female diseases, leu
corrheG or WhiteS diseases of the
q0onab, will regulate menses, is very
ladies should consult DIR. Herdan in
confidence. Chronic Diseases of
Rheumatism, Catarrh, Liver and
Stomach Complaints, Tapeworm and
Commissions, Piles, PARALYSIS, all
Skin and Nerve Diseases, Drepsy,
Tumors and Cancers, Diseases of
the Nose, Ear, Eye, Mouth and
Throat, Fevers of all kind thoroughly
cured. Diabetes, Headache, Con-
sumption entirely cured by new
method. Private Diseases Gonorr-
hcea Syphilis Semin 2reckn<ss etc.
resulting from youthful lndiscrtion,
which have been uasuccessfullY
treated by other physicians will be
entirety cured by DIR, Herden.
DR.. Herden makes a specially of
Artificial Limbs from the celebrated
Markes Institute of New York.
All business strictly confidential.
His terms for surgical operations and
treatment reasonable. Speaks ten
languages,
Every Monday II An. to 80 P.
NJ. at the arlington Parlor, Carson.
The other six days in the week he
can be consulted at Reno, Nevada.
mis-
Morning appeal. [volume] (Carson City, Nev.) 1877-1906, 1891-03-29
Monday, the 10th day of
March,

At IL o'clock, A. NJ. to the highest bid
der for cash, all the right, title and in
terest OF Ormshy County, in and to tbs
following described property, viz,
Lots number Eight (S) and NiEe (9) in
Block number thirtv-four (34) with the
appurtenances thereto belonging in
sears, Thompson and Sears Division Of
Carson City, Nevada formerly known
as the H ank Monk p property.
BY order of the Board of County Com
missioners of Ormsby Co., New
Attsst;-WM. HY DoANE, Clerk.
Carson, New, Fen. 6, 1891.
By order of the Board of t,or uty Com
missioners, the above lie is postponed
until further o1ders of the Boa d.
WIN. HY. DoANE,
Clerk,
Morning appeal. [volume] (Carson City, Nev.) 1877-1906, 1891-03-29
$500 REWARD.

We viii pay the above reward for any
case o. Liver { IN nsainr, Dyspepsia,
= Ck peaCstrHe. =, f.--~t ION, 10nSufpa-
ton or Gns> VenCS~, We cannot cure
with Wcs = &egetdble Liver PitlS. wbca
uur ~ Vegeia BILE and never fail to give
salts Ia cliou. sugar coated. Large box
es containing 30 pills 25 cents. beware
of fcounterfeits and INIT ons. Sold by
w. 81. CHEDlC, Ctlson, New.
Morning appeal. [volume] (Carson City, Nev.) 1877-1906, 1891-03-29

By order of the Board OF Coun.y Com
missioners of O-msby County, made
and entered at regular meeting of
said Board held on The Second day Of
February A. d. 1891, the following de-
scribed county property, real estate pur-
chased by said county for delinquent
taxes A D. 1888, " i'll be sold st Public
Auction in front of the Court House in
Carson City, Ormsby County, Nevada,
tyn
Morning appeal. [volume] (Carson City, Nev.) 1877-1906, 1891-03-29
QUICK TINE, CHEAP RATES

Daily Express and Pass e. ger rains
maEa prompt connections with the
sev eral railroad lines in the East.
Pullman Palace Sleeping Cars and
Tourists sleeping Cars attached to all
trains Dining Cars attached TO fast
mail trains between Truckee and Og-
uen.
Tickets sold, sleeping car berths Sc
cured, and other fnformatio given on
application to the Co.'S Agt. at Reno
where passengers calling in person can
secure choice 81 routes, etc.
Richard GlaS t,sr. Traf. Mang.
saa Francisco, Cal.
June
T. H. GOODMAN.
Gen, Pass. Agt
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The Helena independent. [volume] (Helena, Mont.) 1875-1943, 1891-07-08

SHEHITF's sAhE ny ylRTUR OF AN
~ alias" execution for d sticicncy in my hands,
issued out of tho i,,rict Court o. tho second
judicial Distric, Of the %slatc,ef Montana. in and
for tho county of silver low, in the suit Of Henry
!. Flank n~ssinst G. p, Hill and Joha S%tcinmet,,
duly attestcd tho 18th day of Jun. A.. d.. isl, |
lave lovi-d rpon all tho risht. tits sni intciet
Of tbs r,id G +. Hin ard John strianc,,, in and
to the following described propp,tr, rituntad in
Lewis n"d Clarke county. state Of N.oatal n, Viz:
Lots nine lh and ten tioi in b cox six hundred
and two t6o2> OF Hohack i Cannon = Addition Ia
the. city of Noo7N; also the .w. !. OF the .w. y,
and tho re. Il a. tho .w, y nna tn, sw. a Of tho
20. y OF section ~fotrteen ia township eleven ui>
north of ranHc three (3l west,
together with all and %sinru'nr tho tenemcnta,
h"rcutt'na.nts and .npHur'onrrcca thoreunto bo'
ltnri ~ or in any wiao npper'n,rins.
notice Is hereby Z Won that on TnO'day tho
18th day OF July. A.. u. 1901, ut tho hour OF IL
o'c'ook M, Of soia day at tho from, door, Of the
court housnss IN tho "ity of i%lclcrn 1 will sell al
tho right, title and intrrcst of tiosadt +, nill
ami John Stcinmotn in and 10 " O unid nbpve DE-
scrihcd, properly, to the hish,s at h.d.er i"r cash
Given under my hand tlis the 10Th day Of June,
A. ID. ls0ls c. NJ. JEFtERlS, .
Sheriff.
BY RALrn q. JOHNSON. Deputy Sheriff
The Helena independent. [volume] (Helena, Mont.) 1875-1943, 1891-07-08
Auto,na;ro Maunsrs,

But time changes minds M we'll a. man.
aers, though even now whom maxim,
chRngos from n CIRCLE to snother, it Otter
requires that a~dnptsbility which could b,
said oundi in one who has automatic man.
nora. However. such radical changes moi
only appear In drnwing-room rspartee
street drcr.. etc., among people. but also =
tho ~convenienccs and lu1urisn Affords
mankind. Railroad trnvel is ono inrtnrca
A few ycars ngo comparatively, one had Ia
consume much valuable time In IN uncom,
'nrtable way to make what In now thought
nothing OF an n n:Iht's Journey in a sleeper.
Tho meat modern equipment and trans
portrtion facilities can DO found on tho
fast trains Of tbs Minneapolis Il 81. Louis
railway to Chicago, st. Louis. Hot Springs,
Kansas City, etc. Inqairo of any agent oi
the company, or q. Nj. Pratt, general tioast
and passengsr AGENT Minneapolis MINI.
The Helena independent. [volume] (Helena, Mont.) 1875-1943, 1891-07-08

SUMMONS- In THE DISTRICT COURT OF
~ the First judicial District OF the State of
Montana, in and for tho county Of Lewis and
Clarke.
Clara l., Nalloy, plaintiff. VI. Charles X. Nalley.
defendant.
The rtato of Montana sends greeting to the
above nauEd defendant.
You are hereby required to appear in an action
brought against you by the above named plaintiff
in the district court Of ting first Judicial district
OF he state OF Montana. in and for tho county of
lrwis an Clarke, .nd 10 answer tho complaint
day Of servioo) after tho service on you of this
summons. il served within this county; or. il
served out OF this county. but within this district,
within twenty days; otherwise within forty days.
or judgement by default will 10 taken against you.
according to tho prayer # said complaint.
d H.o,vinr tho arri"ge re, alton esis iig between
tho plaintiti nd to'endant uron the grounds of
wilfai dcSertion OF ,hr PM Tin by tho defend
ant A. Il his dop'rt1rs from tho state wit,otN tho
'ntentisn "i rci' rHing, and hnbitunl drunken
ntss of HI de.end,nt lur more than one year last
-hSldrHn OF raid y ,aintia and defendant and for
her Q ,nta. II
And You arc horcby notified thu, II you fail to
appear and answer tho saia complaint, ~ above
required. tho snid plaintiff vii, take dsfau't
,sNins .,9n and apply 10 tho Dart ior tho reiict
de- msrded Ia tho oumala mt.
Given under my hand and thescal Of tho dis-
trict canrt OF tho first judicial district of tho
state of Mountains, in and for tho county OF Lewis
anti Clarke, this ttnth day OF June. in
thu. y2ar = our Lord, ono thousand eight hundred
and ninety.one.'
sssl pistris, by IL. Il. TuoMrscS.
I Dist. Mont. DIS. Wade,
~- Atty. Tor Plaintiff.
The Helena independent. [volume] (Helena, Mont.) 1875-1943, 1891-07-08
e CHICAGO,
MILWAUKEE, &
ST.. PAUL R'Y,

Is the Fast Mail Short Line from st. Paul
and Minneapolis vic La Crosse and Milwau-
kee to Chicago and ali points in the East.
ern States and Canada. 1t la the only line
under one management between st. Paul
and Chicago. and is the Finest Equipped
Railway in the Northwest. 1t is the only
line running Pullman Drawing-room Sleep
ING cars with luxurious smoking -rooms, and
tho finest dining-ca in the world. via the
famous River Bank Route" along the
shores OF Lake Pepin and the beautiful
mississippi river to Milwaukee and Chica-
go. Its trains oonneot with those of the
Northern lines in the Grand Union depot at
st. Phul. No change OF oars of any eiass
between ~. Paul and Chicago. For through
tickets, time tables. and full information,
apply to any coupon ticket agent in the
northwest.
The Helena independent. [volume] (Helena, Mont.) 1875-1943, 1891-07-08

Decorated Dinner Sets, III
pieces, extra fine decora-
tons, first quality goods,
5000
Plain White Bowl and Pitcher,
full size, YI.2s
Cups and Saucers, plain,
white ware, 45c per Ia doz
All other white porcelain goods
in proportion.
CASTLE Soap, SC per piece
Bath Soap, SC per piece
Scented Glycerine Soap,
2sc per box
Clarinated Glycerine Soap,
4oc per box
Full size Tooth Brushes, = 1oc.
We have just received an
other large lot of the
Magic Dime and Nickel
Banks, which we will
sell at 15c
The Helena independent. [volume] (Helena, Mont.) 1875-1943, 1891-07-08
How to Prevent Roughness of the Skin.

During cold, dry, windy weather this
question ngitates this mind Of every lady in
the land who prizes a smooth, soft skin.
There is nothing noge ha mless and effect
i've than Wisdom's Violet Dream for pro-
venting and eradicating the i'll effects Of
severe weather. lry it.,
The Helena independent. [volume] (Helena, Mont.) 1875-1943, 1891-07-08

Misses and Cilildrcn's Jersey
Ribbed Summer vests, 1oc
Ladies' Fine Jersey Ribbed
Vests, sleeveless, CSC
Ladies' Jersey Ribbed Vests
with short sleeves, high
and low neck, 3oc
Laeies' Fast Black Jersey
Ribbed Vests, sleeveless, ,35c
Ladies' all Silk Vests, ooc
Extra Fine knotted fringe
Damask Towels, assorted
colored borders, 25c
Fancy knotted fringe Turk
ish Towels, can be used
for tides, in all %colors, 25c
Turkish Table Cloths, one
and one-half yards square,
knotted fringe, $3.50
Full line of Fancy Ruchings,
in all the latest styles and
%colors, 25c Per Yard
Ladies' Muslin Night Gowns
Reduced from $1.25 to Soc
LADIES' Muslin Night Gowns,
Reduced from $3.50 to 81
Ladies' Muslin Night Gowns,
Reduced from SITS to $1.2o
Ladies' Muslin Night Gowns,
Reduced from $2.25 to $1.6o
| Ladies' Muslin Night Gowns,
Reduced from $2.75 to Y1.85
Ladies' Muslin Chemises,
. Reduced from ooc to 6oc
Ladies' Muslin Chemises,
Reduced from $3.50 to $1.1o
The Helena independent. [volume] (Helena, Mont.) 1875-1943, 1891-07-08

the result is n collision, whether looming
thro' the rye or not. Life is full Of coils.
ions. We are constantly colliding with some
neirbbors it is With some dread diseases that
"knocls III Z the track and perhaps dis
ablcs us for lie. Women especially it seems.
aflictiona lnan mankind. In all cases OF
~ncrvoucncsG, benring-down sensations, ten
derrcss, periodical rainc, sick headache CON-
Female jr-ceulari!ies" and weaknesses"
DIR. Picrco's Eavorito Prescription comes to
the rcscne of women us nc other medicine
does. 1t io tho only medicine for women. sold
by drutgicts, under a positive guarantee,
from the manufacturers, that 1t will give
satisfaction in every case, or money paid for
wrapper.
Copyright, 1888, by WORLDS DIS. MED. Assn.
The Helena independent. [volume] (Helena, Mont.) 1875-1943, 1891-07-08
x THE ! BEE HIVE x

Mems Fancy Night Shirts, full
lengths, all sizes.
This Week, 75c.
Mems better quality, embroidered
fronts, splendid goods.
This Week, 81.
Mems and Boys White Unlaun-
dered Shirts, all sizes.
hi Week., Soc.
Mems better quality, full linen
bosom and best quality muslin,
full sizes.
This Week., 75c.
Mems Summer Underwear, Nat
ural Grey.
SOC. Per Suit.
| Mems Lisle Thread Summer Un-
derwear, brown.
ST. Per Suit.
Mems Normal Mixture Balbrig-
gan Underwear.
$1.25 Per Suit.
Ladies' Fast Black Balbriggan
Hose, seamless.
zoe Per Pair.
Children's Fast Black Ribbed
Hose, 7 to 8 II.
zoe Per Pair.
Ladies' Summer Jersey Ribbed
Vests.
Three for Csc.
The Helena independent. [volume] (Helena, Mont.) 1875-1943, 1891-07-08

Ladies' Muslin Chcmiscs,
Reduced from $1.2s to 85c
Ladies' Muslin Skirts,
Reduced from 81 to 75c
Ladies' Muslin Skirts,
Reduced from $1.3s to 85c
Ladies' Muslin Skirts,
Reduced from $3.50 to $1.o5
Ladies' Muslin Drawers,
Reduced from Use to 4sc
Ladies' Muslin Drawers,
Reduced from ooc to Goo
Ladies' Muslin Drawers,
Reduced from $1.15 to 85c
Ladies' Muslin Drawers,
Reduced from $1.5o to 81
Mems Summer Neckties, in
Tecks and Four in Hands, 1oc
Mems Fancy Silk Teck
Scarfs, all shades and
patterns, 25c
Mems fancy -Four in Hand
Ties, all colors, 2sc
Large assortment Cast Steel
Shears and Scissors, all
sizes, 25e
Silver Plated Tea Spoons,
4, plated on white metal,
25c per 1-2 dozer
Silver Plated Table Spoons,
25c per IA dozen
Silver Plated Forks,
25c per IA dozer
Decorated Chamber Sets,
Bee Hive pattern, $3.7s
The Helena independent. [volume] (Helena, Mont.) 1875-1943, 1891-07-08
WE OFFER
THIS Week

lllD w GGA
Some special induce
ments to buyers, as
we do not anticipate
any dull season h
goods are offered so
low. We are SO stu
ated that we must do
business at all seasons
of the year, and the
time worn chestnut of
other merchants that
trade is dull after July
4 shall not and will
not, hold good as tar
as we are concerned.
We find from past ex-
perience that LOW
PRICES are bound to
make business, and we
hold out the following
inducements to our
patrons, which we feel
confident will meet
with their approval.
The Helena independent. [volume] (Helena, Mont.) 1875-1943, 1891-07-08

Our Counter Goods
are receiving new
novelties every day,
and are replete with
many useful and n
mental articles at sc,
loo, 15c, zoe and Csc.
An examination of
these goods will aston
ish one at the prices
quoted.
The Russellville Democrat., 1891-09-17
The Kind of Man They like

Reading about the superb msu age ment of the big fire the other day, s ceItsin girl of my acquaintance re- marked: ''Is there anything so grand in man as force2 In my estimation those fifemen and the chief who so splendidl, controlled them are as far superior to he dsuc- ing youths we meet at parties and hops as meat is better than foam. I" Put that into your pipe, you callow striplings who aim 10 be lady-killersl It is not your tennis suits. nor your small feet, nor your ability to dance and lead the german that makes a woman S heart kindle at your approach. It is your response to an emergency, your muscle in a tilt against odds, your endurance and force that will win the way to feminine regard. As for me there is something pathetic in the sight of big, handsome fellow in dancing pumps and Prince Albert coat. l would rather see him swing ing black ksmith's hammer or driv- ing blow through stony furrows if need be. The 'original man" was not created to shine in the military schottisehe or win his laurels in the berlin.-Chicago Herald.
The Russellville Democrat., 1891-09-17
One Way Out of It.

A short man with red whiskeIs, shambling gait, and the remains of jag wandered into the Auditorium last evening and asked for a type writer's studio. He lives in Indiana, not million miles from Chicago, and has been there attending the races. Luck had walked on the same side of the street with him and he wanted to stay another week. But his wife expected him home to- day, so he was in search of type writer to send home letter to serve as an apology for his non-appear- ance.
 Chicago, this date, ninety-one, l" he muttered to the typewritist.
 "I have that"
 "My dear wife,
 .sYes.'
 "Very important business will re- quire my presence in Cheboygan for few daye-"
 "Let's see," interrupted the artist, "how do you spell that Che boygan?'
 "Spell it yourself. It's your own typewriter.
 s'I can't.''
 "Can't spell Cheboy gan?" he asked with disgust.
 "No.n
 "Then I'll go to St. Joe. ."-Chi- cago Herald.
The Russellville Democrat., 1891-09-17
TO BLOW OUT A CANDLE.
Suggestions as to How the Flame Msy be
 Easily Extingnished.

Suggestions as to How the Flame May be
 Easily Extinguished.
 There are many ways of blowing out candle, and there are ways a candle may be placed so that it can not be easily extinguished with a puff. The most startling though, perhaps, the most dangerous way of putting out the flame is by quick, strong inhalation of the breath a short distance from the candle. It will appear as if the flame had been literally swallowed.
 To learn the trick 1t is first neces- sary to learn the proper distance from the face to hold the candle, but this can be done after one or two trials.
 Another pretty trick with lighted candle can be done to show the peculiar way air currents will travel. Place the candle on table and in front of it Ind few inches away put an ordir,ry bottle. Blow directly at the bottle. It will seem as if you blew right through the bottle. A variation can be made by using two bottles instead of one. Place the bottles side by side, about quarter or half an inch apart. Right behind the space between the two bottles place the lighted candle. If the distances are properly adjusted they can be so arranged that it is impossible to blow out the candle by blowing through the spaces between the bottles. There is another trick which is likewise as interesting. Take round disc of cardboard, or one of the common tin side shades and hold il between your mouth and the candle. Then blow right at the card and you will find that the flame of the candle will bend toward you and the card board instead of in the direction you are blowing. Post Dispatch.
The Russellville Democrat., 1891-09-17
GIRLS SAVED THE TRAIN.

Presence of Mind and a Good Run Pre-
 vented the Loss of Many Lives.
 There are two young girls now in St. Paul who are deserving of honor able mention for recent prompt and heroic act of theirs which resulted in saving passenger train from wreck with the probable loss of human life. The two girls are Lizzie Barron of this city aud Carrie Butcher, who now lives near Shakopee. The former was visiting her friend at Shakopee not long since, and it was during this visit that the act of brav- cry was performed.
 The girls were one day taking a stroll, and about four miles east of Sbakopee they came to the track of the Hastings and Dakota division of the Milwaukee Railroad, along which they started to walk. They had not proceeded far when they discovered that the beams of wooden culvert had caught fire and almost entirely burned away. There was nothing left but shell, which would scarcely bear up under the weight of a hand car, but, few rods away, nothing amiss could be detected, as the rails were still in their proper position.
 At the time of the discovery it was just about time for the express to pass, and the situation at once flashed upon the minds of the two girls. Instead of becoming panic stricken and running away to find help, which, they realized, would probably come too late, they rushed down the track toward the approaching train, the roar of which could already be heard in the distance. They had not proceeded far when the train rushed around curve at full speed not far away, and with shriek of the whistle rushed toward them. Older persons than they might well have quailed before the approaching monster and sought personal safety in flight, forgetful of the danger of which they would warn the engineer. But their hearts never faltered, and they remained standing upon the track, swinging their bonnets and gesticulating wildly. Soon an other shriek from the engine told them that their signals were com prehended by the engineer, and they stepped aside while the train rushed by them with sparks of fire flying from the wheels as they were gripped by the steel shoes of the air brakes. The train was brought to standst;ll before the ruined culvert was reached, and the girls modestly received the thanks of tke passengers and train men for their prompt action in avert ing serious wreck.
 When the Milwaukee officials be- came aware of the facts in the case the general manae CT issued orders to suitably reward the two girls which has just been done by the local officers.-St. Paul Pioneer Press.
The Russellville Democrat., 1891-09-17
The Girl at a RoYn, College.

The girl who goes to the University of Michigan to-day, just as when I entered there in 1872, finds her own boarding place in one of the quiet homes of the pleasant little city, whose interest centers in the 2500 students scattered within its borders.
 She makes the business arrange ments for her winters fuel and it's storage; she finds her washerwoman or her laundry; she srranges her own hours of exercise, of study and of sleep; she chooses her own society, clubs and church. The advice she gets come from another girl student of sopnomoric dignity, who chances to be in the same house, or possibly from still more advanced young woman whom she meets on the journey, or sat near in church on her first Sun day. Strong is the comradeship among these ambitious girls, who nurse one another in illness, ad- monish one another in health and rival one another in study only less
 eagerly than they all rival the boys.
 In my time in college the little group of girls, suddenly introduced into the army of young men, felt that the fate of our sex hung upon proving that 'lady Greek" involved the accents, and that women's minds were particularly absorptive of the calculus and metaphysics. And still in these sections where with growing experience, the anxieties about CO., education have been allayed a healthy and hearty relationship and honest rivalry between young men and women exists. It is a stimulating atmosphere and develops in good stock a strength and independent balance which tell in after ife-Mrs
 Alice Freeman Palmer in the Forum.