New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1891-08-23
ATHLETESHERE AND ABROAD
A TALK WITH A MAN OF EXPERIENCE.
WHAT ROBERT w1yToS HAS TO SAY OF ATHLETIC
AFFAIRS Is ENGLAND AND AMERICA.


This is undoubtedly an oil year for spriniers
abroad says Robert Winston, former English attn
lete OF repute and now the trainer Of the BerAeiey
Athletic Association with headquarters at the beaau
full oval Morris Heights. But he went on there
are some mes-y good distance runners over there ana
II Kibbewae and Perry could be induced TO come over
here Curtis Is on the way with Ed Lange there
would be some rcdhot races at distances above mile
think Perry is about on level with sydney Thomas
and Connect. Possibly A. B. George might beat him.
but he would give them some good hard struggles
Klbblewaite, though, would be another matter alto
gether. lie is a champion and world beaten from one
mile to twenty miles. One worlds record that ne
holds is n minutes - 35 seconds for three miles
This made in 1885, before he up his present
form. Curtis would beat Lange and Nicol nave
only seen him perform once, when he won the seven
miles very easily, but told the Manhattan Athieuc
Club officials who asked me about the English cha'h-
pon walker that he was hlgh-cass man, and would
beat their champions handily. After beating Nco 50
easily he did. Curtis must be conceded WONDER
It will be great thing to him In the handcaps IN
this country. He will win the championship here
easily enough After that Carter Will hold him pretty
safe in the handicap meetings. 1t win be exciting to
find out Just how good he really IS though, when he
tries TO beat out who have been given good start
over him.
Trimmer Winston says that tie most striking Incl
dent to Americans visit 10 set OF amateur attn
strict rules against bookmaking at English amateur
athletic games and about London there Is really very
little OF IL going on An ordinary visitor would hardly
suspect from the passing Of the small bits Of paper
that good deal OF wagering was being done. But IN
the Midland and Northern counties there Is little con
cealment and betting goes openly, with its worst
,oatpres and harmful effects apparent. At the Hud-
dersaeld games the championships Of the Midland
counties the odds openly called. II was even
monev about Remington, with to l on Carey. The
betting al the English athletic tracks has tendency
To decrease the competitions in the general classes or
honor only and many time records AZ championship
meetings are not pushed up as they would DC II 'hcre
were no betting for the reason that IL IS not uc9e l"
give handicappers line On true form An English
amateur athlete wins closely as possible 10 escape
having N give his opponents advantage the next
time they meet. just no English jockey ever wins
away Off when It Is possible to draw close h"l'h'
The Amateur Athletic Association OF Great hrllhh mas
set its face against betting at athletic meetings anu
there is no oueAon but what in time, the practice VIII
become d,sreputabe and will probably fall into dsuse
altogether one result Of the betting TOO Is seas
dooI ~ low trcRery for instance, at meetings in Eng
land the practice Of throwing lacks on bicycle tracks
n let the wind out OF pneumatic tires Is not enuFey
unknown.
winston. who came here in 1888, going back to
England in 1887, and returning to this country IN
SAG has trained athletic teams at Yale Rochester
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tnrn 70 the mother country, after four years IN
America he found that while England advancing
-,rdiv IN athletic affairs he did not think she was
oosng ahead with the same rapdity that this country
is over there the tracks rule are more numerous
and better though he says that there IS nothing Ut
home that Is any better than Berkeley oval Ohe
reason he thinks for the advantage EngHshmen nave
over Americans in the matter OF grounds Is that over
there the land Is held in estates for the most part ana
iiv for
hon. real estate Is on the market at time for dol
los and cents Across the water many nOblemen
and large landed proprietOrs consider an hohT
IN have the grounds ID some athletic aSso-
citation an their estates, charging the ciuos
merely a nominal rental; notable instance
Of this IS the practical giving by the Prince OF Wales
n, the Remington oval, twenty-acre property near
London. 10 the use Of athletes, the Surrey Cricket
Cnb being the lessee for only e3e per year The
Prince Is one Of the trustees and is present at I'M
nortant meetings Tho Prince showed especial IN
terest when the Chicago baseball team and the All
England eleven played baseball game there One
thing the Prince could not understand as he sld III
his speech was the superb fielding of the baseDa men
How about the runingof Cd games In England -
Mr. Wiston asked.
aTbe system prevailing there Is far superior to thal
| IN operation here. The field and track games 20 on
together. There IS generally hrstrate Dahu III a.
tendance and the victOrs are presented Win 'HeU
trophies by nObeman or some prominent Per9o" az
the close Of the days sport after neat speech amid
cheers This is far better and more Impressive tlah
the method of presenting prizes in this country
Mr. Winston might have left out the presenting Of
,rtzes in this country for il is almost never done
Here an athlete goes up 10 the officials as soon aS nc
has won captures his prize and sneak' away VII" H.
except in cases where the medal IS mo- forthcoming l"'
week or a month, or longer as sometimes happenS'
after the meeting. "
=. For one thing In England" Mr.. winston ADDED
there must not be any DELAYS and the games nave TO
he over at about O'Clock in the afternoon because 'c
grounds are generally far from the homes o hosV Vi
the spectators as Travers Island or Berkeley oval Is
nom the centre Of New York CIty. Enghsh ooeiehoe
and appreciation of good order very apparent III l
conduct Of athletic games in the old country lou
never see anv athletes in costume hanging ABOUT inc
aance or tho track after their contest As i
customary here The grounds are kept free OF al OK
cept actual competitors and the least po7eo'o h"Oo'
NJ officials II an athlete stayed on the EIoun"s III
costume after competing at set OF games III r1sNu
n uniformed official would promptly request MN 10
retire TO the dressing rooms, and he would Just d
promptly do il. over there the uniform mea"' au
thorty, and authority in England is something "''
must be obey ed ,..o
In this country II an athlete were requested TO 'a'e
| tbe infeh when he wanted 20 pose in costume ~
watch the other competitors at the finish Of MS own nc
woud-well. there is no saying what ne "ou"" uo'
but sooner later he would make NE uHpiea7a"' Ava
that official. -,
ain England all the officials are experts 'au
Mr.. Winston mt Perry. who has timed tor Tvs Hllo
Brtsh Association for the isot twenty year os-s,
rs once, prOfessi Splinter. IL Is unnecessal9
w. soy thaf he r1,n CLOCK a runner 70 Il mar. lug
Handicapped Of the wallng matches uu Tue inHuion
TaIling i, Tom Grlnitns, eXamatcuI Guam Pioss
seven.niile walk who Is now on the e1llolal s.a,
Of Land and Water Then they nave siu"u "a 'r ~
.corers VINO never do anything else. THESE men w
their work on big blackboard, and il Is next 20 I'M
possible to have of the bIuhders taC V , TG
tantIv occurring I'm distance here happen uoI
ther scrutiny 1t Is only few days ago tlhu J,e
amateur athlete actually declined 70 AN hil the
az set OF games In this country because "hiir w
Judges awarded him the victory he was sure 10 i
nvn mind that he had not passed the man VIZ ~
econd 10 him according TO the Judges score. IN
seeond man had been handicap man, ana 10 -
beaten him fnirly, he would have 20 pas am ~ at
Once More recently still-at the Xavier game go
week-t is almost a certainly that O'hffe VINO u'a
O "a 3-5 from the 75-yard mark on oad u1 tr
record that would make this very ordinary pci'iIt