New-York tribune., 1891-02-21
DLSESTABLISHMENT REFUSED.
GLADSTONE ELOQUENTLY ADVOCATES THE
CAUSE OF THE WELSH
SUPPORTING THE MORGAN RESOLUTION BE.
CAUSE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF WELSH
MEN FAVOR 1.-THE COMMONS Rejects
THE RESOLUTION. BY VOTE OF
235 TO 2o3.

London Feb coin the House of Commons to-
night Mr. Morgan's resolution in favor OF disestabsh
ment of the Church in Wales rejected BY a vote
of 235 TO 203
Mr.. Gladstone appeared in the crowded house. care
fully dressed and wearing flower In the butonhoe OF
his coat. He listened with attention to the opening
speeches Then. himself rising lie said: Il
could not have spoken this question half
a century ago as l am able to speak now. Then
the administration OF the Established Church In
Wales was in many ways feeble AID open to heavy
censure. Now the case is very different" Dealing
with the growth OF Christianity in Wales since tho
sixth century MIR. Gladstone said the Anglican reforma
ton conferred a great blessing the Welsh by the
introduction OF the mother tongue into the services
OF the Church. TO which, indeed. they chiefly in
dcbted for the preservation OF their language since
the seventeenth century. when Engshmen oc'
cupied every bshopric, dcancry and beneiice
Of any valuc. the Welsh people set themselves
gigantic task in providing for their own religious
w0'ship Although Nonconformty, with undImnished
energy retained its place in the hearts of the people,
the Church also displayed prai-cworthy activity.
II might be asked Why interfere. If the Church
were active and progressive. and the Noncomorni'tS
contcnted - Rut the latter not contentcd' ana
the question whether thcy were entitled to p'
discontinued. They making in distinct tcFfh''
with voice very audible indeed. demand Whch
he felt it to be his duty TO listen To, ana
would be compelled and disposed 10 listen TO- CncerN)
He did not think the Welsh people were disposed !"
make inconvcnicut claims the ground Of nat oh"HN'
but he believed they had the right Ia insist upon
the DI sh Parliament paying due csird t. such 'Hi"''
~ they warranted in making. lie IH "'''
nothing to advance the claims Of the Welsh Noh''"
fOrini>f~. II any entitled 10 prAi't III tIc
matter II wa, Lord Harrington. daughter, and a
Of di~,cut from Lord iIsrtinEtonp such no"
ever wa, That gcnticmdn'S mocc,ty th't ne @''A "'
head and rcpccd the compliment; but be one speaker
must insist in placing upon Lord lIartlneton'- head
the crown he entitled to wear. ucne"ci "-sn'
ter)
Afer a similar reference to Lord IIartingtons att
trde toward scotch dscstabli hmcut Mr. Gladstone
said he cXp'otcl 10 have % met citations from HI
own spccchc, on former occasion; but that was
twenty one year, aso, and h. had had time T. come
Of age again since then. lie might then have sad
tina di-c,tah!i- hmcnt Vale, was impossible but
strictly regarded that assertion might be said 10 in
volvc an element # cxasscraton. oircit Euslierl
He said now a, then that the separation would be
very formidable difficulty. and II Mr. Morgan Has wise
he would not attempt II. II was task for the Oov-
crnmcnt and would require all their care and xii To
carry IT, The gentlemen Of the Opposition smiled at
this, but there many thinss that the Tories had
declared to be- imp.~. blc and au"rward, urde.
adequate pressure. they had been found pcricctf
willing and competent to achieve. 0heers and
laughtcr)
the question Of the justice Of the demand he HAD
not said II a repetition OF the case Of the Church
OF Ireland: but IL The two vital Determining
points OF the Church OF Wales were that ~ was the
Church OF the few and the Church Of the rich Looking
at their numerical prepondeanoe, and their disflon'
lion respect 70 the various classes OF society,"
IL not lir from the Truth t0 ,aS
that the NOncOnformists Of Walrs wcic
the poopie ~ Walc> Nobody could doubt that they
would again speak dec~ivcly "a In i-o6 when. out
Of thirty members. tW cnty seven were pledged IN favor
" discs tlb ,hment such voice could ~; be much
longer contravened by English votes. Thcse semi
religious cOutrpvcrSc, were not good for the temper
social condition 0i the country. Therefore, Wen
the end is certain. thrrr would De 10 aivlItigF IN
l-nsthcnug the struggle. Tie English were jus
people ard would INSIST upon the Welsh receiving
sati.fartO of their ju-t demands. which in Ike CIR
Cum,tances h"y would claim fpr them>olvc,. Cheers
Postmaster. Gcucel Rake coufcuicd thit thcrr va,
no such thing a Welsh Na'i.n. There were thru"
principalitc~ within the limit, oi o." prr-c't puucl
Iaiity. Tho question oi tl" Church In Wl!c- the
question If the Church iu England, and Elgli hmcu
had right 70 a voice therein. He knew the attack
would not Dee limited u o." welsh outwor,. but would
soon be extended the citadel. They therefore
would not be persuaded by the voice Of the Welsh
siren.
Sir George rrcvclyan supported ~" resolution. He
said that when population wa, dense and cudoW
mcnt~ small the Church increased I'm Walc-,
II did IN tie large towns ln England. Lat
that wa an argument, not for establishment but
f.r Voluntaryi-HI. The same cause which hid given
an impetus to the Church had gwen eat - impetus
TO the NoncOuforul~i movement, bu' tie case for d
establishment ,tll stronger iu the rra' District
I'm Wales the Church was endowed with c2G0 1000 lille
the people ont of their -cauiy caruing- paid .3OOOCO
IN, ~ ~ fFffr t.flFt fsrft