Omaha daily bee., 1891-12-27

coins IL free of charge and gives him back a
stamped dollar for every 3Tl grains Of puro
silver, the bullion owner will receive n very
large sum over and above the commercial
value of his product in the markets Of the
world. The changing of the ratio from 10 10
l to ID to !, as propo ed by Governor Hill,
would be worse than free coinage under our
present ratio, anu would pe a step backward
instead OF step rotHIrl"
What do you propose, senator'' | asked.
~ believe that every dollar in circu'a on
among the masses OF the people should DC as
good as any dollar that cIrculates or forms
the basis OF our trade, domestic or iEterul-
tional, ana 1t seems to me that we had better
let the matter stand a. 1t Is now, Tor the
present at least, aud see what the future may
develop. think the principal commercial
nations OF thu world ought TO join IN u none
tary conference aud fix an international ratio.
Ii all the commercial nations were to meet
and decide that any quantity OF silver should
pass and be received rs money Mt Il certain
value 10 would OF course be good Tor that
amUuntln their trade
"Ihe capitalist can always take care of
his own interest when changes occur, or arc
about to occur, in the relative values of the
different kinds of currency in circulation,
because he can. in anticipation OF such
changes, convert mis- money at any time into
the most valuable kind OF currency and hoard
II in order to realize the premium, while the
lduOItIs, anu III ldtJ Tue ppOD.c RtltEully,
have nothing to hoard and are compelled TO
receive from day TO day in payment for their
labor and its products just such money AZ
the law makes legal tender whatever it may
be-"
The Tariff ant the Mckinley Law.
"How ABOUT the tariff!'
'The tariff platform in the next democratic
national platform ought to declare in favor
of II just revision and reduction of tariff tax
alton, with due regard, of course, TO the rails
ing of revenue and TO the industrial situation
as II has grown up under the existing syS-
TEN. Theoretically | am a free trader, BE-
cause | believe that all taxes are necessary
evils, but IL Will be u long time before we can
have free trade in this country. We must
approach it gradually, step by step. Ii II
were an original question the situation OF
course would be different, but we have 10
deal with artificial conditions and cannot OK
pect to accomplish 81 complete reform by a
single measure of legislution.N
"Ihen you believe that we will at some
time have absolute free tradC!'
Hardly absolute,' replied Senator Car
Isle, though very near 1t. We will always
necu II certain amount of money to carry on
the government aud we must always Impose
taxes of some kind TO pay e expenses, But my
idea of a good government Is one which
~accOmpliShes its purposes with the least pos
sible taxation upon the people. Not only
should tho rate of taxation be as small as
possible consistent with the raising OF the
ht1SnHSA pAh Va u b'S SNi
deus of taxation should be distributed as
equally as possible upon the people according
to their ability to bear them. Our present
system of taxation violates both OF these
rules III the most tlagrant manner"
Il suppose the republican party will want
to make u fight on the Mckinley tariff"
Yes" replied Senator Carlisle" but they
will find that law much more unpopular
than they suppose. The east is gradually
coming to tariff reform as embodied in the
democratic idea. New England is a great
commercial as well as great manufacturing
country. II wants free raw material to work
with, and ii wants fewer restrictions upon
its commerce. New York cannot be carried
for the Mckinley tariff and the northwest
and the great states of the west are not for
it. OHIO, 1t is true, elected Mckinley gov
ernOr, but in the ONO campaign the silver
question lost us some OF the conservative aud
especially some of the German democratic
votes. Ohio is a state that stands by herself.
II does not belong 80 the east nor TO the west.
1t has become q great manufIcturin state.
1t has mines ana factories and glass and pot
terry works scattered all over it, ana it is no
criterion by which to judge the otner states
of the union south of the Potomac and east
of the Alleghanles.n
Patriotism u Locl Issue.
as not the tariff after all as General Han
cock said, a local issuet'
"Ees, | suppose to a certain extent it is.
Nearly all political action Is governed by
self-interest. Patriotism Is to a large extent
IL selfish sentiment. If a mans country pro-
tects his rights and promotes his prosperity
he loves it, but if it Expresses him and robs
him of his property, the case is different
Story Of Growers Free Trade Message
"Senator Carlisle, - said I, "you have been
called the author OF eX-President Cleyelaud's
free trade message. Is that so!'
mo, that is n mistake,n replied Senator
Carlisle. THAT message originated with
President Cleveland and he wrote it himself.
The credit for it is due TO him alone. 1t is
true he CounSeled with his political friends,
myself among others, and made some verbal
changes sin IT. upon their suggestion. For
some time the president was in doubt as to
the form tho message should take, and
whether he should emphasize 1t by contining
ii 10 the tariff question alone or make some
other recommendations at the same time.
MIR. Cleveland fully comprehended the i'm
p%ortauce ana significance of the issue he was
making, and he gave the subject the fullest
consideration and acted deliberately. The
pressure against his issuing his message was
very great. Many of his best friends and
closest advisors were against it -
president Clevelund's education in the
details of the tariff reform Senator Carlisle
went on, was largely acquired after he be-
came president. He once said to Lie that he
mad been so engrossed with.other matters that
re had not seriously studied the question be-
fore he came to Washington, and that he was
for n low tariff because ii was a democratic
principle rather than us a result of careful in
vestigation and study. At Washington he
took up the subject, and by reading and talk
ing with the leading thinkers on both sides OF
the question, he became convinced that tariff
reform was the most important issue before
the country, and, as was his nature, he al
once went into the contest with all his might.
His o. pousal of tariff reform was tho result
OF CONSCIENTIOUS conviction from the study oil
the question, and his message was the natural
consequences"
PRESIDENTIAL Candidates.
"HOw about candidates, s%enatori VIII
Mr.. Cleveland be the democratic uomineei'
~ think it is too carly to make any pre-.
dictiOn upon that subject Mr.. Clevelnnd's
chances Tor the nomination depend largely
upon the delegation from the state Of New
York, and its action in the convention.
consider him an available candidate and
think he could be elected
GLOW about the republican nominees Give
me your estimate of Mr.. HARRISON
president Harrison is a candidate and
expect to see him nominated by
He has made u fair president from n republi
can standpoint. He has shown himself
possessed of individuality and of n will of his
own, ! think his touroverthe country helped
him.. Ills speeches on that tour were re
markable for their variety and conservatism
aud they exhibited more ability than had
grown in the estimation OF the people since
he became president and he is, | think, rs
strong u man as the republican party has,
How about Mr.. Blainef'
"rhc nomination OF Mr., Blaine might ere
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