The Hawaiian gazette., 1890-08-05

ment let IL ask 1or 1t, but not say that l
is not fair that we should have one.
Noble j. NJ. Horner-The facts stated
by the Committee have all been consid
cred. Property in Honolulu ought to bt
protected, and SO ought my sugar mil
and cane fields. But we in the country
have to protect our own property, and i
the Honolulu people are going to have
theirs protected for them, they ought tc
pay some of the expenses. 1t does not
look right.
Rep. 9rown-This is the first time !
ever heard the Government had to pro-
tect sugar mills. Fire companies are
only for cities. That is so all over the
world, and it is 80 here. Ii districts want
fire companies let them ask for them.
That is what they are here for. The taxes
of the Island OF Oahu will equal those OF
any other island in the group, and I
think it rather queer if we can't have one
| or must wait until members can make
up their minds whether or not they
are going to ask for one.
| Noble Horner-That is not the point.
The point is, who is to pay for it.
| Minister Brown-That point would be
we'll taken if we had municipal gov
eminent here. In that case we would
pay for it ourselves. And if all the taxes
raised in Honolulu were spent here, we
| should hear from the outer districts.
Noble MactarlaneI am surprised
that Noble Horner should make any
such useless proposition that the coun-
try Should not help pay for the fire de-
partment in Honolulu. When we think
of the hundreds of thousands which
have been spent for plantations, land
| ings, bridges, etc., it seems simply pre-
posterous to say the country shall con-
tribute nothing to the fire department
here. There is none to pay for the fire.
department here unless the Government
does. The country districts have just
as much protection as the outskirts of
Honolulu. l am very much opposed to
any such item going to the committee.
Noble Baldwin, am a member of
that committee and l think there are
some items which might be partially
borne by Honolulu citizens, but this is
not one. | can only say in reply to Rep.
Brown that the country districts would
be glad to see Honolulu a chartered
city. | have not the figures before me
but l think it would be cheaper for the
country districts But the time has not
come for municipal government. Just
as soon as Waikapu or any other town
wants fire department it can ask for it.
But at present Honolulu is the only
place which needs one.
Noble Isenberg-I belong to the COM
mittee to which Noble Horner's resolu-
ton was referred Noble H0rner only
asks to have this item postponed until
he has reported. | do not see how we
can avoid passing this item, but think
we may as we'll pass it over until the
committee has reported.
Noble Burchardt-I shall vote to pass
as in the bill, since even if the commit
tee should report in favor of creating
municipal government here. | should
not favor it.
Rep. Kapaehaole could not see that
any reason for postponing this item had
been shown.
Rep. Kanealii's remarks were not
translated. He was still in favor of
postponing consideration.
Rep. Kapaehaole-The hon member
for Waikiki says this is the Appropria
ton Bill. Very true, so it is. Let us go
ahead and appropriate this item.
The item passed.
Rep. Nawahi moved to insert Hilo
Fire Department $4,000.
Rep. Brown said 1000 wouldn't build
the house for the engine let alone
buy an engine. A good engine costs from
$4,000 to $4,000. The only way to
have fire department is to organize it,
and to do that you must pass an Act.
Therefore instead of putting this in the
Appropriation Bill it had better go to
a select committee.
Noble Cornwell-As representative from
Maui l don't like to have Maui left out
and | would like an item for Maui of
$4,000 laughter
Rep. Nawahi-It is said that So 900 is
not enough, but We can do a good deal
with that not on the scale of Honolulu.
Noble Burchardt-We in Kohala can
not do it as cheaply as in Hilo. l shall
ask for SIS, 900 for Kohala (smilesl.
Rep. Kapaehaole-I am willing to help
the people in Hilo; but when we have
bought them an engine, who is going to
work it? Without law authorizing the
organization of fire department nothing
can be done. The hon. member from
Hilo is willing to be chief engineer, but
some other good man may be willing too
and there may be fight
Noble Marsden = Hamakua raises
twice as much sugar as Kohala, but my
only difficulty about asking for an appro-
priation is that we have no water.
daughter But as we may have water
from the Kohala mountains, | will ask
for an appropriation; l will be moderate
and ask for $25, 000
Noble J. M. Horner-A little nonsense
is relished by the best of men, but we
ought not to spend all our time joking.
1t seems to me the member from Hilo's
proposition is very moderate one. They
have about 1000 inhabitants, and have
been talking about fire department for
a long time | do not favor this item
because it is for Hawaii. ] would vote
for money for Oahu or Kauai just as
quickly; but shall vote for this item
because it is needed. Noble Marsden is
from my district and my particular
friend, but shall vote against his item.
Rep. Lucas stood out numerous calls
OF " question" and said that he believed !
in a ire department, and that $4,000 or
So 900 would be enough. a very good
hand engine could be got for $4,000 to
&2 000