The Hawaiian gazette., 1890-09-30

| Noble Widemann-Bully, bully.l Thi
particular wording is intended Tor IN
representative over there, but If
| touches the noble, all right. am quit
convinced Showing the diagram OF
Whitney's GUIDE Book that some nov
living will see steamers running on al
those lines. To-day we are asked {,
establish another permanent line. Shan
we do something Shsn't we 80 ahead
This line will reach 8 new port. and the,
ask little subsidy to start it. When /;
line is profitable, they shouldn't ask ou
assistance any longer. We still keep ~
our subsidy TO the Oceanic s. s. Co.
although it pays, and they haven't asked
any. 1t is said this will make hay
cheaper. That's what / want. want
the hay and bricks and lime and lumber
cheaper. We sre already shaking in our
boots, some Of US, for fear the tariff will
be taken of OF sugar. We will have to
come down to cheap things then, make
cents where we make dollars now. This
steamer viii not benefit Hilo only. The
steamer comes here too. Everything
paws tribute to Honolulu. San Diego is
s growing place. There are, I under
stand, 80, 200 people there who want to
get their fruits and other products down
here. Hilo is the grand center of fruit
in these islands. A dozen punches OF
bananas rot there for one that is eaten.
Ii natives could use their kuleanas to
raise bananas and sell them, as people
can in Honolulu, it would be great boon
TO them. They will be put on the steamer
and supply the 10000 people whose
business centers in San Diego. Noble
Widemann-Ten minutes, Mr.. Presi-
dent.) l won't bother much longer.
They raise at San Diego what We want,
barley and hay. That comes around by
San Francisco now, and pays toll all the
way. This line will open market for
our tropical fruits, which now go to
waste or aren't raised at all. The Volcano
Road of which the gentleman has spoken,
is as much for the benefit of Honolulu as
Hilo.
Minister Brown-It is admitted that
the establishment OF steamer lines is
benefit, but it is possible to pay too much
for good thing. This subsidy with the
others will make about q twentieth OF
our entire income. l maintain We cannot
possibly afford that. We must cut our
coat according to our cloth. l have been
in San Diego good many times, but if
it is at all like what these gentleman de-
scribe, | should not know it again.
Noble J. VI. Horner-When were you
there last?) Well, its six years ago.
Noble Horner-That's what thought
Noble Widemann-When was the hon.
noble there2) Minister Brown-Last
century
Minister Brown, continuing, did not
understand how the gentlemen who
strained at the gnat Of the steamship
subsidy could swallow this camel. This
bill would merely subsidize an opposition
line to the o. s. s. Co. As representing
the treasury, he could say it was not in
condition TO stand it.
Noble Baldwin wished to thank Noble
Horner for explaining the diagram on
the cover Of the GUIDE Book. They are
for steam lines, 1t appears, and there are
no less than twenty-five of them. Ii We
are to have all these steam lines, We had
better all 90 out and buy corner lots. He
came from an island which according to
the prospectus was to be benefited by
this line This company propose to run
s steamer around Maui to take produce
for their steamer TO the Coast. He wished
to take i broad view OF the matter, and
would admit that anything which bene-
fits Hawaii, benefits the Islands as
whole. But l don't think the time has
come when this Government can support
two large steam lines. We had q semi
monthly service once, bat it did not paw.
Although trade is increasing, the Oceanic
5. s. Co. does not put on another vessel,
because it will not pay. i honestly do
not think that the time has come when
steam lines can pay. Most OF our freight
is slow, and it pays the planters better
to send by sailing vessel than to pay the
steamers s. a ton. There are q great
many fruits which could be sent away,
but it takes time to start them. Some
OF them q good many years. l do not
doubt that eventually a pretty good trade
could be worked up. When something
has been done, it will be time enough to
talk about substituting line OF steamers.
l have great deal OF doubt whether we
can buy any cheaper in San Diego. The
general rule is that you can buy better
and cheaper in large centers, where
competition is brisk. l have yet to
learn that things are raised any more
cheaply around San Diego than around
San Francisco. l do not think this coun-
try can afford to substitute two lines. The
business Of the country does not warrant
it. We have a good service now. The
result, l fear, will be If this bill passes
that We will get two inferior services in
stead OF one good one.
Rep. Brown-As q rule | am in favor
81 substituting any new enterprise, and if
[ considered the finances OF the Govern
ment were in q condition to stand it,
should vote for a subsidy. But in no
case would | vote for the bill as it now
stands. l therefore move as an amend
ment to section l that the Minister OF
be authorized in his discretion
to contract, ETC.. by and with the consent
IF the majority OF the Cabinet.
Rep. Nawahi objected to the amend
nent because it gave the Minister the
power to kill the bill. That is Just what
wished td.avoid. This bill is drafted
Ike the other bills. As to this bill being
he last straw, think the camel's back
would have broken long ago if there had
been any break in it. II I thought this
bill would only benefit few people in
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