New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1890-02-19
SENATOR IVES MINED UP.
HE DOESN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT RAPID
TRANSIT MEASURE HE Is ADVOCATING.
THE HEARING on THE BILLS CONTINUED BE
FORE THE JOINT COMMITTEE OF THE
LEGISLATURE.
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Albany, Feb. 1S.-Mr Ives, the irrcpressble and ex-
posve young New-Yorker who contrves to get himself
into hot water than any other two men in the SEN
ate involved the Joint railroad committees today IN
! pretty the Rapid Transit bills. There are
two OF those under the consideration OF
! the committee, that introduced by Mr.. Ives. when
last year was known the Mayors BILL and that
! introduced by Mr. Fassett. At least such was the
general understanding until this afternoon, when nj
tho second hearing before the committee Mr. Ives an.
nOunced that he in favor Of either Ms own OH
or Of a BILL the general lines. amended 80 a.
TO meet the scruplcS Of those who last year caused
! the amendment of the Mayors bill. This Of course
makes a material difference TO the people whose IN
teresS at stake and there was quite an eXci'hg
scene while Mr.. endeavoring 10 tell the com
! mtcc exactly what he believed he meant. and tie
! witnesses from Ncw-lork were trying 10 persuade
themselves that they understood him.
The trouble began over a complaint by De VIII 1.
Smith, representing the Arcade road, that the al
vocates of the Mayors bill not seriously trying
to give the people rapid transit, as was proven ny
their bringing up again through Mr.. Ives the "same
old measure which defeated last year, ana say
ing the Legislature Here is our child; we want
you baptlze it into lie"
That's easily explained" said Mr. Ives cheeriN
"whcn introduced the bill this year had no copy oil
It as it amended by the senate. The copies hau
| all been exhausted but for my own part, have no
objection TO an amendment and propose I" ask
the committee if they should 1T to report the bllI
to Introduce it substantially 1t passed the senate
! last year
At this the senators priclcd mp their ears julien
T. Davies the attorney the elevated railroads rose
! from his ia surprise and approached MI ives
/ 10 discover whether he had heard Alright
isn't it true asked Mr.. Coggeshal, turning 70
cx Corporation Counsel Beekman, who was also pres
ent, o" that You told the committee on behalf OF inc
Mayor that you would oppose any amendment =
when did say thatl' returned Mr.. beekman'
with a rcproachful glance at Mr.. Ives.
Il 50 understood You the other day.
"No: was thinking Of the bill it passed tho
Senate said Mr.. Ives.
DO | understand you.7 continued Mr.. Cogceshall'
addressing Mr.. Beeman, that after all your argu-
mcnt, YOU have never had this bill in mind at all
If the committee understood anything. they under
stood YOU to favor the ill as 1t now Is
Certainly
"Wcl. which hl havo you been snpportlng-the
unamcndcd Mayors bin introduced b. Mr.. Ives tins
year. or The amended bnl, as 1t foIlcd last year'
u have argued In favor Of the one introduced
this year
Under further questioning. however, It appeared
that there va, some Of understanding between
Mr.. Bcchman and his Senatorial ally for he declared
that he had vet to learn that when bill j. intro
duccd and argued that necessarily prcoiude' the
support Of the I'LL when it i, amended
Well" cried Mr.. Davies, Il wish to call atten-
places me. ! have been arguing on bill which It
j., not before the committee at all, and must
begin all over again.
That j. not - statement Of the facts As
they exist said Mr. Ives alrIy. i
am willing to have the hl passed as amended ny
the senate rather than not have IL reported AZ all
Then am bro more II a middle than ever pro-
tested Mr. Davies. / don't know whether tho
| hu he wants reported j. the hr-t or the second.
! Really / think its only fair to us that We should
know what we're called on to oppose
ITS asking too much Of Mr. Ives said Mr
| Fa--ctt mi,ohcvOu-ly. to ask him TO occupy the
| same position on any two given days. There's
copy Il the amended bill in the library. that ho
! could lave consulted easily enough asked Al tho
time whether 10 was his deliberate purpose - intro
ducc the uaamcndcd bill and he said No., De ddn't
propose to submit 10 tukcrins but Il he's changed
| his mind. where are wcl'
Then Mr. I've, declared. IN order that there might
| be no MISUNDERSTANDING that hc favored hI, own
bin a. INTRODUCED but would submit 10 amendments.
Nr. Davlc, again said that that didn't
enlI,htcn hun. Il cannot construc what
ha, been SAID he added "to mean
| anything except that Mr.. I've, and Mr. Bcehman
really propose for the committees consideration the
| amendments that passed the >cuat" last year. Any
fair minded man sec that there are practically three
Bill, under q. cIsson instead of two. What kind Of
a position would the people be placed in II the com
mlttcc were 10 report the Mayors bil amended st
year. and they were thereby Informed, for the first
time that the Legislature Wa now considering Wopo-
-iton authorizing the construction 81 AN underground
road under BrOadWay.'
Mr. Co-ro,haH remarked that the Fa,sctt bill
authtrzod Tic commissioner, 10 consider such II con
-trIttIDu.
,r. Day.c, replied that the provisions in M" two
bin, entirely distinct, ana that property h"idert
Who have perfect confidence ln the tas-"t hl might
| not have the -tuc confidence lu The ives hllL
II !. not vet exactly decided whether Mr.. Ives
/ know what hc is advocntiug or not. Nr. Davc-'p
own argument before the committee Wa manly an
elaboration the point hc contctrd for At the lat
| hcarin,. - which, hc said there IA, 80 Tar been no
objection. lie also submitted amendment, 10 boih
bill. empowering the commissioners 10 determine
Inc route, Us which thr pre- .cut elevated road, may
connect with other roads, aud disputed Mr. i'cekhans
assertion that they contained u" provision CON
ucieafluc the CITY for the new privileges.
William &. Twll. representing the Forty second
= srlacc road aid the Fa,sett bill would be- -ati>
factory to him IL amendments were added rcpudatlng
the comw. lncr. power 80 arrange the terms OF ~lo
81 bonds. limiting The amount of the capital stock
and MAILING it, Interference with subway, water
pipes and sewers subject Ia the proper city authorities.