New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1890-03-22
LORDS SPEAK FOR PARNELL.
READY ANSWERS TO A SAVAGE ATTACK BY
LORD SALISBURY.
THE PREMIER MOVES THE ADOPTION OF THE
COMMISSION REPORT IN THE UPPER
HOUSE OF PARLIAMENT AND
WARM DEBATE FOLLOWS.

HOUSE OF PARLIAMENT AND
WARM DEBATE FOLLOWS
London. March 21.-The Marquis Of Sails
bury moved in the House of Lords to-day that
the report of the Parncl Commission be approved
He referred TO Mr. OBriens statement before the
Commission in which he withdrew the accusa-
tions against Lord Spencer while Niccroy, put
maintained them against his subordinatcs Ihis
form of withdrawal. said the Premier. was an
atrocious mputation on Lord Spencer. suggest
ing his readiness TO put on the shouldeis VI lid
bubordinacs the defamation eveled al himself
The Parncllites congratulated themselves upon
being found not guilty on certain cnarges' ouo
there was evidence TO show that the rarhcli'cs
in Parliament ready TO make use OF crimes
committed by Parncltcs outside oil farhamen'.
The Irish Parliamentary party had thelr hahus
on the throttle-valve of crime e. Hear. hear y
and let 60 or restrained cfinhhaNN "S 'neii
political necessities required
Hoy could the country, said the speaker, as
sent 70 committing the government OF Ireland to
men linked with criminality and lmmorailV
The Commission had laid bare and Indicated the
spirit of these aspiring governors OF Ireland III
would be a ptiful prospect If an industrious
community, especially that of the prosperous
Protestant section, which through good ana evil
report had clung TO England, were handed over
10 such men. When the American Revolution
was proceeding it might have been prophesiea
from the previous record of Washington "h"'
The future Government would he, and that he
would carry into the council chamber thc same
high spirit of integrity that had distinguished
him in the field. The same rule applied 10 'hc
Parneltes, whose conduct ought TO frishten the
country from admitting the possibility of ever
confidinr 10 them the rule of Ireland. Here were
men whose political objects were Systematically
pursued bv means leading TO outrage ana muir
der, and their political career ought TO warn 'hc
country beforehand what would he the la'c oi
loyal adherents oil tie Crown II ever thesc ciin'
inal conspirators got control OF Ireland. lOhcols
The House owed thanks TO the Commission for It's
impartial exposure of this episode in the history
of Ireland.
Baron Iicrschell attacked the onc-sldc1 character
of Lord Salisburys speech in referring only TO
the charges on which the Parnellites were found
guilty and emitting mention of the Graver charges
on which they were acquitted The Government,
he said. had constituted a new court. creating 1t
by political MEANS to try political opponents. and
even this court had been constrained 10 clear
the Parnetes on all but charges on which the
Government did not dare TO invoke the inflctlon
Of practical penalty. The verdict of public
orinion was on the side of the Parnclhtcs now.
and when the story of the episode was tully
written on the pages of history, the praise ana
the blame would be awarded in very different
fashion from the way in which they were awarded
by Lord Salisbury. Condemnation would not
rest upon the Parnelhtes, Dut would concentrate
upon their accuscrs
Lord Kimberly said that the whole case was
pivoted upon the forgeries. and il was only Just
10 record that the charges based thereon had
collapsed lie thought Lord Salisbury lacked
generosity and cruelty treated a man whom he
considered fit 10 make d political alliance WIN
Lord Spencer said he would venture 10 say
that the Commission would never have been ap-
pointed but for the forgeres The motion oi
Lord Salisbury placed the House in dilemma.
1t must blindy accept the report or act as a
court of appeal The first course was an nn-
worthy one and the second impossible without
entering into political matters which would place
many transactions i'll a very different llght lie
could not support the motion without also record
ing the great wrong inflicted upon Mr.. Parnell.
The old methods of governing Ireland had
failed and the only remedy was TO throw upon
Irishmen the responsibility Of managing their own
affairs.
Lord Derby denied that the Commission was
unconstitutional and declared that it far
more fit 10 deal with the matter than select
committee would have been II must be re-
membcred. he said. that Mr.. Parnel refused
Jury trial Tie Commission had thrown upon
Irish affairs light far from agreeable TO Mr..
Lord Roscbcrv said that the adoption Of the
motion would do grave injustice both 10 them
selves ana 10 Inc IarncIlllfS III WAS utGlduln-
TO Judges - thank them for lmparualltN. me
great objection 10 placing the rcDOrt on the
journals Of the House was that il failed 70 dis
tnguish between moral guilt and political crime
None OF the findings Of the Commission were 50
serious as they appeared If the Nationalist SIS
had used sedtious language. so had the lsicr-
men. and that with the sanction of Lord Sails
bury. Lord Randolph Churchill and Henry
James. AT any, rate the PanrlllicS had
been whtcwashed by the alliance Of 1sS3.
He severely ccnsured the Government for oncr-
ing no reparation to Mr.. Parnell and for taking
no steps TO punish The Times. He concluded
with an eloquent reproach and warning to the
Irish arstocracy, saying that all history gave
evidence that an arls,ocracy separated from Tie
peope was a doomed arIstOcTacy.
The Lord Chancellor here denied that the Gov
ernmcnt had instigated the charges against the
Parnellites.
Lord Granville rcproachcd the Government for
leaving the burden OF the debate 10 the Unonist
peers whom lie congratulated on their chlNalIN IN
defending one OF the least dcfenslOlc ac's Oh 'lc
Government. -, -
Lord Salisburys motion was auopteo "''houo
division. ,,
In the House Of Commons this evening Mt
Jabouchcre moved the abolition OF hcirdi'aN
representatives in Parliament. lie reminded the
House that democracy had become rGaIltN;
Hereditary peers. he said. were in fatal ana
eternal antagonism with democracy. me po,
pie would not long tolerate the idea OF several
hundreds Of men born with the privilege 10 IN
terfere with the Government and 10 lcGislatc iS d
class The House had the spectacle before IT oi
men excluded from the Jockey Club and warned
of the racccOurses and vet able 10 interfere
with the legislation OF the nation.
Ilcwellyn Jones Liberal seconded the notion
II was moderate proposal he said. 1t did not
aim 10 abolish the House OF Lords. but only 10
modify il in accordance with the spirit and re-
quirements Of the times There was no other
legislature in the world where purely hereditary
After n further brief debate, the motion was
rcjectcd-20l TO l39.