The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1890-09-05

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therefore favor the motion TO consider
the petition with the report.
Rep. r. w Wilcox said ii you see four
or FIVE men going along the street with /
hats on and YOU saw, g There 90 some /
take hat off. and be will be sure to be /
the baldheaded men. think in the last |
the Minister of the interior was |
the baldheaded man.
Rep. Wilcox continuing was inter
rupted by Rep. kalua, who moved to
confine his remarks TO the question be-
fore the House. For some time nothing
could be heard but the loud voices OF the
two speakers and the continuous rapping
of the Presidents hammer. When or
der was restored, the Interpreter ex-
planned that Rep. Wilcox was making
references to the treatment Of Mr. Glib
son.
The President ruled this out of order.
Rep Bush protesting and saying that
the Reform Party had not had the man
illness to give MIR. Gibson fair play
Rep. Wilcox, continuing, said he adj
mired people who stick by their friends,
as Rep. Kalua had by the late Minister.
He hoped he would receive decoration
for it. He would favor, to put an end TO
the debate, Noble Baldwin's motion.
Noble Widemann had no objection to
considering the petition. What he OBJ
iected to was the manner in which it was
written. 1t charges the committee with
Misrepresentation. He wants, he says,
an impartial committee. What he wants
is partial committee. A committee
which will look at things through his
spectacles, and cannot tell black from
white. 1 am afraid that there is too
much in that report FOR him to white
wash. There is too much, you know.
All that is lacking is request that he
may name the committee himself. |
nave no particular objection to consider
ing the petition. The President-Do
you withdraw your motion?) That is
what l am coming to. Yes, with
draw it.
Rep. Nawahi favored considering the
petition. He would like to have the
Minister present, as there were a good
many things he would like explained.
Rep. Kahookano admitted, of course,
that the petitioner had a right to petition,
but he asked something which the House
could not possibly grant, viz. the APP
pointment of another committee.
Noble Muller cited rule 80, defining
the duties of the Finance Committee. 1t
says nothing of conferring with heads of
departments. He hoped that the petit
toner would be heard. But he objected
to the request for another and "impar-
tial' committee. This was reflection
on the impartiality of the Finance Com
mittee.
Noble McCarthy-As member of the
Finance Committee and on behalf OF the
committee said that nothing was contain
ed in the report which could not be proved
by the books of the departments. There
was a book called the Detail Book, which
shows every item. 1t is commonly said
that books should be kept SO that new
man can come and 90 right on without
needing any explanation. l am happy
to say that the books of the Interior De-
partment were kept in that way. We
have simply stated bare facts. l am per-
fectly willing to give the Minister hear
ing, but don't see what good it vii. do.
l went into that committee and did my
duty faithfully and impartially, and there
are no statements in that report which
are not facts.
Noble Macfarlane favored considera-
ton of the petition. All the facts stated
in that report could be proved. He could
corroborate what was said by Noble Nc
Carthy as to the books of the Interior
Department.. The examination had been
made impartially, with no intention to
misstate anything. The committee was
anxious to have all the light thrown on
the matter possible. AS to the motion to
refer back to the petitioner to have the
petition framed in more decent and
gentlemanly manner, it was useless, be-
l. HI IF fro, in,
any other manner. He considered the
manner in which the petition was drawn
was an insult to the President, the Com
mittee and the House. He was perfectly
willing to have the matter investigated,
but not by another committee, and the
proposition was unprecedented and in
sulting.
Rep. Brown-The introduction OF such
a petition as this is certainly unprece-
dented. He knew of no case of it before,
and the reason was this Because hither-
to the report of Finance Committees has
never been adopted. 1t has been indefi-
nitely postponed, and laid on the table,
and the ministry have kept their seats.
In this case there has been no opportu-
nifty for minister to make replies. The
report of the Finance Committee is full
of differences and constructions of law
made by the committee. / think the
wording OF the petition is little too
hard.
Noble Macfarlane-It was disrespect-
full.
Rep. Brown-It was drawn hurriedly
in about twenty minutes this morning.
l do not think the late Minister of the
Interior intended any disrespect to the
president or the committee. The Min
lister of the Interior was absent about
three weeks, and at the time he LETT here
the report, l think, was already In the
hands of the committee.
Rep. Knudsen said he would not grant
this petition If his own mother made it.
At the same time he felt that the late
minister ought to be heard. But it was
impossible to grant the request to put
committee over a committee, and as that
was the only prayer he moved that the
petition should be laid on the table, CIV
ing notice to the Secretary that Mr..
Thurston should be heard, and postpone
consideration of the report for week.
Noble Burchardt's objection 10 the Pc
ton was the gross injustice OF the charge
OF partiality made against the commit
tee. l certainly supposed he was not on
this island. The Finance Committee
did not touch the Interior Department
until after the Minister of the Interiors
report.
Rep. Bush was in favor of Rep. Knud-
sens idea of postponing consideration OF
the report and allowing the late Minister
in the meantime to present his defense TO
the Finance Committee. The implica-
ton OF partiality on the part OF the FL
nance Committee was an atfrOnt to the
House, and the late Minister was old
enough to have known what language
was proper in addressing the Assembly.
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