The Hawaiian gazette., 1890-07-08

I ent, at the same time an economical, ad-
I ministration OF public affairs, and last,
but not least. We are pledged TO preserve
I the independence and autonomy of the
/ kingdom. This is of course a compre-
hensive policy. We may not be able to
carry it all out ourselves, but if we have
the assistance Of this House we shall be
/ able to accomplish great deal.
! Rep kauhi states he is much pleased
with the announcement Of policy, and
moves il be reduced to writing, signed by
/ the Cabinet and published. Ii their
memory is as poor as mine, they will not
remember what their policy is unless it
is written out. / have forgotten already
what il is, although l remember it
sounded very we'll
Noble Horner-Mr. President
Rep Nawahi-l want to make some
remarks.
Rep. Brown-I rise to point OF order.
Noble Horner has the floor.
The President so rules and motion is
put and carried.
Rep. Nawahi continued speaking, but
was finally suppressed by the President.
Noble Horner thereupon introduced
resolution calling on the Minister OF the
Interior 10 set the prisoners to work at
once on the roads and pledging the
House 10 pay for expenses incurred. Ny
motives Yesterday, Mr.. President, seem
TO have been misunderstood. Ny only
object was TO loose the hands of the Min
listers so that they could set the prisoners
to work without waiting for the Supreme
Court. Ii the Ministers can't do il, it is
Tor this House TO find d way. Ny
measures NAV DE foolish, but the fruit
on the top OF the basket is a fair sample
of the basket, and the fruit on the bot
tom may turn out the best. | came down
here 10 counsel with my associates as
gentlemen TO work for the good of the
people. | know that men are fallable
and l respect the opinion of my associ-
ates, and If they can answer my argu
ments yield | may be wrong, and my
opponents may be, and it does not be-
come us to act as blackguards and abuse
each other. There are two things which
exist and can't exist long side by side.
Those Ministers can't stay in their seats
and the prisoners in the prisons. One
must CO. | want to GUST the prisoners
and retain the Cabinet in ther seats. 1t
may be fortunate that my resolution
NCStCLNoN uAQ IOl ICSOAulAOu
to-day, if it carries, will set them to work
tomorrow morning
Noble Widemann-I would like to ask
the Minister OF the Interior whether
those prisoners live on air or get their
rations. minister Spencer They get
their ordinary support.) Who pays for
il? minister Spencer The Govern
ment.) Does the Auditor-General ap-
prove the drafts? Minister Spencer
believe he does.) There have been none
presented TO him? Minister Spencer
think not That is all Your Excel
leucy The situation is very simple.
The Minister OF the Interior has no more
funds and the Auditor will not audit any
drafts, so the Minister furnishes food on
his own responsibility and the House
will undoubtedly make the necessary
appropriation. 1t is most extraordin-
AIRY idea that because there is no more
appropriation the prisoners shall eat, but
shall not work. | cannot understand
the motive OF tie late Minister in keep
ing them in Jail. Fed, they must be. l
hope the present Minister of the Interior
will pluck up courage enough to send
them out TO work in spite Of the Auditor
General and Supreme Court, because
this House will support him. l might
add that the suit was brought by the
Minister of the Interior, and think the
present Minister might withdraw the
suit because there is nothing to sue
about.
Minister Spencer recognize the fact
that this House is the highest power in
the land and if the House back me up /
nave the backbone to carry out its will
st all times.
Minister Peterson Somewhat of a
misapprehension exists on this subject.
The honorable Noble Widemann shows
by his remarks that he does not fully APP
prehend the situation. The prisoners
are supported from the appropriation for
the support of prisoners. That is not
exhausted and it has nothing to do with
the matter whether they work or not.
Some members seem to have an idea
that the Ministers do not want to set the
prisoners to work, but it is not so. We
would have been glad to set them to
work on the first day. l admire the
facility with which some persons over
ride the opinion of the Supreme Court,
but il is as binding on this Cabinet as it
was in the last. Honorable Noble Horner
stated that the Ministry did not wish to
have their hands unite1 This is mis-
take, and they proved that it is by not
voting against the resolution yesterday.
Noble Horner-They did not vote for
it, They did not vote against it. am
in favor OF this resolution and shall vote
for it with this amendment. l move
that the words Gas law demands IRE
ferring to the law demanding that the
prisoners work be stricken out. The
Supreme Court has said so far that the
law does not demand it.
Noble Widemann-With great deal
OF reluctance / must state that the Min
lister OF Finances report has stated that
the appropriation for the support of pris-
oners is exhausted. approve the deci-
sion OF the Supreme Court and / only
fear it will be upset, but can only say
that in spite OF the Supreme Court l
would have those prisoners out to work
this afternoon. The law requires it and
no Supreme Court can wipe that out.
The matters before the Supreme Court
are not the same as those here at stake.
Calls OF question:.
Noble Horner-I accept the amend
ment.