New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1890-05-04
N'CANN STANDS FIRM.
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owha the date You gave rc sIc t htSt DATE r''
o.-was it after you became sheriff Al ra'''er
Let me see. raj her link 1t was some time about
the anniversary Of it's birthday 'hin% 'nc ''iii0
substantial n,d Pre sen at IT 'a ans
.hnea of silver had great affection for the child
and gave il better than the ordinary presents. ,o
2cnP be sSH eve sdsr ny I Aho first birthday
gave it q gold piece o,, ,,oo., Al rather think
Vas ' SSIlaT piece piece-somc little tribe
O'~Passing that, you gave 1t no money until you
oe o'nThen You gave it the first $1,000 Ayes,
"o-And then it was about two years old. Alt
was something about its birthday think.
Long was c THAT Se sSr 2s @Sah taa
I do not want 10 testify that wac the date
TO %a ma Thd tina" e % S 1 It's
AYES SIR But at that time Tammany Hall found
aiiged-oh, was not obliged. but accepted the
nomination with very little preparation; ala not
feel at that time so much like giving present
Mr. Boardman asked MIN to describe Just what
occurred when he gave The money 10 the h''!e
The child was in the custody of nurse, was
She ~ he suggested No." said the Mayor, with
was Just able to toddlc 10 me; The money was
in IT,, form of bank bills. and il was in an en-
velope' Mr. Grant then gave the envelopee 10
the child The child held it for little While.
Mr. Boardnan wanted to know what was the
disposition Of the money by the parents ana Ar.
Grant became highly indignant at the suggestion
that il had been used To pay Tor the Crokers
house or for any other purpose consluer
that money belonging TO the child, ne SAID
with a suggestion of tears in his voice that car
ried his audience with him. When asked ~, 10
you know what became of the money mr.;
Grant admitted that he did not know Az b W.
said he :" / have confidence enough IN MI Nro-
ker to know that lie will keep that money 1or
his child
p, Did you ever express your views of that sort
We'll, expressed my views at the time l gave
the money
Did You speak to Croker afterward Of the way
in which the money was invested? -,
No, sir | presume Mr.. Croker will act truth
sfully with his own child l cannot take such all
Evil presumption as that he VIII not
Mr. Grant. on being asked whether ne had ne
come a godfather to any other of the little Gro
kers, said that he thought there was RUE IL, IN
The Catholic Church which prevented that. lie
added Z" ! was providing for this chlld In way
that l think most godfathers ought to- thlhk
if YOU look at the obligations when such an ac'
ccntance entails YOU will see | have not done 100
much feel very delicate in discussing thls Hia',
ter here 1t is a very sacred thing TO NE. ana l
much regret that such matters should come De-
oWe are dealing with these two $1,000 under Ssn
stand YOU have never heard anything aoou' cn g
not saw What has become Of the money but alwa{ S
pree that there is no atheF or mother o wo AND
suppose that money Is being Kept for the chlla.
O-You have done other things lor 'rohci i"';'
You have loaned him money on dhefei" o'''S'oN'
Ayes, have: ...-... A. GOV, not, A.
o.-You hold his obligations now do you nO''
oMTo what extent did he you money A.
Not to ANY he s ever SPEAK to Won about the necessity
OF paying of the mortgage on MS nouSe o,car The
1ortgaSe of his house ] generally understood that
he wanted to pay of the mortgage on ms noSe' O'''
owYou understood that ne wanted you 70 hep him
n NJ ,i-, tbe A.
Q.-Isn't it. 40 Il matter Of fact, paid on no" A.
o-Yon have suppose the interest now N,i IN
Croker ,r: Croker and their little girl as yoq N nave mT
GLOW long is i Since you have seen me either ,Grc Of
Circulated ali over tits city made me think it wise
that should them had ,s gone m mear
against as was made de-. against now Mr. c HG that Mr.
NeTconSe made an attempt TO blackmail in this
by any onei Al do not claim any such thing.
cEDid You have any communication with any one
iSp he had ' icpTesentsve Mccain has gone all
and said that i did not get renewal OF TIE
lease Of Mount st. Vincent he was gonG to 40 are
Ono one ever said that If you did do this
Won would hear from him and be put on tie stand
RON him IN this way. There was lot of loose talk
o;-is that what, YOU mean when you speak Of
blsckmaingl Al have never SAID anything about
o. understand that there was some talk that
certain statements that unless you ped certain moneys
Mccain would tale mea,1res 70 punish you in some me
was entirely Greda aiS 70 o.. Newc9nSe v
o.-Yon have not brought up the question Of black,
reporters asked about it, but have not made
accusation against any one The facts speak for
o.~What did Newcombc say A.-Newcombc
came to me in the Mysteries of father who docs not
o.~Thst was what YOU talked Of with him 4
The chtTman~Yon We're q member Of the Board
Of Aldermen %d r. in ~ m Affs ,i, man, Ayes
Q.-No one offered you bride, or money as a
Offending the action Of the Board on that mat
ter, did you and Croker ever talk upon III A
o, o.-You were intimate at that timer A.-Not as
Gut you We're quite friendly A.-well could
not say that we we're very friendly SrSner ,, IS Il
long time before you become In any way intimate
things ON you was al that aS'Y xSo r r nave no
doubt. II had asked him. he would have given me
9.That is characteristic Of the MAJ .,,r4 A-Yos.
Q-Therc was no question Of brlolnGI AtimN o.
DO In such a mater without advice.
Q.-When was IL that there was a little talk in the
the members Of thai conmlttcei A.-Prlor to the
election for Mayor. In the fall of so or s3-no in
'e4.
Mr. Grant went to testify about the passing Of
the Broadway franchise over the Mayors veto.
Mr. Grant said that his attitude always in
favor Of putting up the franchise at auction and
60 reject both Of the rival applications He was
very much surprised when Mr.. Croker stood up
and defended him in the Tammany caucuscs. Mr.
Fassett asked a number Of questions.
The question Of Commissioner Of Public Works
all came up after your defeat as Mayor A.-Ncs,
sir. . -
Do Won rccollect meeting Mr.. Mct'ann az Mr.
Croker's hOuse and going with him "a Mr. Eowcrs
Al don't think ever met Mr. McCann III CIohers
house.
Q-You will say you did not 90 With a. A.
NO. Will not. may have taken him 70 Nr. fowers' $
office 7 don't rccollect holding any communication
with hin.
Q-Do you recollcct 1t was through your meiiumship
~ L. .aL.EA go