Los Angeles herald., 1890-12-02


Harcourt, who replied that under no
circumstances would he give any prom
lses whatever, now or hereafter, to any
Irish party. Remember, Harcourt will
be your leader when Gladstone dies.
Condon-Not our leader.
Parnell-It will not be Morley; you
will not deny that this great man, Har-
court, whose chain you are going to put
on your necks, has the reversion of the
Liberal leadership. This same man has
declared that his limits to home rule
are in Chamberlain's scheme of local
government. If Harcourt ever comes
into power, he will give you local gov
ernment with plenty Of coercion. L
know what Harcourt will do, and what
Gladstone and Morley will do. If l
am to leave you tonight, l should
like to leave you in security. 1t
is not an unfair thing for me to ask to
see you within sight of the promised
land, or that / should come with you,
having come so far, until you are abso-
lutely sure of Ireland. l can go no
farther"
An enthusiastic outburst of cheering
followed Parnell's remarks. Mccarthy
followed. He told how we went to
Gladstone Saturday, and that Gladstone
told him he regretted the disorganiza-
tion OF the Irish party, but could not re-
gard him as representing the party, and
therefore could not treat with him. He
would offer no suggestion, nor wouldd he
sign any document or give any message
to be conveyed to the party. He in
formed Mccarthy that he could not give
any document with any certainty that
it might not be printed by some of
those concerned. Harcourt told him
that in view of the manifesto, he would
not give anybody assurances which were
to be brought to the notice of Parnell.
AS to the general question of Parnell's
retiring, Mccarthy said Parnell's lead
ing error had been iii his keeping pTi-
vate until now the Hawarden converse
ton.
Parnell--I am perfectly willing to ad-
NIT blame, but 1 am glad that / have
told it before mischief was done.
A motion for the retirement of Parnell
was made by John Barry, who aided the
late Isaac Butt in founding the home
rule confederation of Great Britain in
1872.
Joseph Nolan made an amendment
to the effect that the question of retire
ment should be postponed until the
members personally ascertained the
views of their constituents, the party
then to meet in Dublin and decide the
matter.
Parnell ruled out of order any refer
ence to his conduct in the O'Shea case,
and this brought him into frequent
collision with different speakers, espe-
cially Healy, with whom Parnell ex
changed hot words. He displayed great
passion throughout.
Finally after many short speeches,
Parnell putting the question to adjourn,
declared that the ayes had it, without
waiting for the noes. Healy protested, but
Parnell declared the motion carried.
Healy then moved, amid great cheer
ing, that Mccarthy take the chair.
Parnell said he had not left the chair
yet.
''Then put the question:" said Healy.
Parnell-I am not going to have my
ruling challenged by Healy.
After few remarks, Parnell again put
the question, when the majority seemed
in favor OF continuing the debate, and
Parnell declared it must proceed. -ev-
eral members declared it would be a
physical and mental impossibility to
continue, and Healy consented to ad-
journ ON the understanding that the
meeting should terminate tomorrow.
. 81 will not have any misunderstand-
ing with him." said Parnell, whereupon
Healy retorted: 'It is very hard to have
an understanding with Parnell."
Finallynat midnight Sexton acted as
mediator, and secured an adjournment
until noon.
A brief interview was had with Par
nell this evening regarding the Glad
stone letter. He said it completely alb
solved him from any obligation of Sc
cresy respecting the liberal proposals,
but he would divulge nothing unless he
was satisfied that publicity would con-
duce to strengthen the cause of genuine
home rule.
1t is said the question of expelling
Parnell from membership in the Ma
tional Liberal club win shortly be
brought before committee OF that Or
ganization.