The Daily bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Hawaii]) 1882-1895, 1890-04-02


Mr.. Ashford said, assuming that
the present Congress or any other
Congress make reduction Of 30
percent, according to Mr.. Baldwin
some OF our plantations would have
10 90 To the wall.
Mr.. baldwin said he dill not be-
lieve it would take place, because
the | nitcd States would thu, iuiure
her own sugar industry. The qncs-
ton in case of material reduction
would be what industry would pay
best in this country. The cost of
producing sugar on some plantations
is $50 ton. A great many planta.
tons would have to exercise more
economy than now to live.
Mr.. Davies thought 1t was useless
to discuss what plantations would
pay without the treaty, but if we
can have the produce of these ISL
ands admitted free to the United
States. even ii sugar men have to
take urn at the grind-tone Il
while, it woul, he y very great al.
vantage.
Mr.. Dillingham---lt would put II,
in Il position Of absolute indcpcnd-
ence. Things would go into the
United States that have never been
heard Of.
Mr.. Davies-As that would ensure
our independence think there is
TO need of Article 4.
Mr.. Thurston said he had been in
favor of the original draft and he
was in favor OF it still. He had
never seen any argument to prove
that a guarantee Of our independence
is any infringement Of our indcpend-
ence. 1t was as il small boy at
school was promised protection by a
bigger boy from gang of other
boys threatening to lick the smaller
fellow.
Mr.. Davies-Suppose there Is no
gang threatening to lick the small
boy:
Mr.. Thurston--Suppose there is
not. Why should we object to get
ting a guarantee: Giving informa-
ton to the United States of other
treaties is not control Suppose Il.
III. Davies & Co. and II. Hackfeld
& Co. agree that they will not ship
sugar on any other vessels than they
now employ without informing each
other. There is no control whatever
over each other. If one of the firms
finds it desirable to ship by one of
the Oceanic steamers it is only oh.
liged to notify the other of its nten-
ton. Those arguments are an utter
fallacy. lie saw no reason for Mr..
Davies's contempt for people who
would sacrifice somewhat Of our in
dependence in return for compcnsa-
ting advantages. The speaker con-
sidercd he had MS much interest in
the country rs any man who made
his money in it and lived abroad.
He never intended to leave the coun-
try. If Article 4 is Objectionable
let us 60 on and try to negotiate
with that omitted. The question
now is whether We ought to 90 on
with negotiations for n commercial
treaty on the basis of the present
project. From the time OF the cx.
piration of the original treaty till the
final passage of the renewal treaty
there was not q day that, il the
pending resolution to give notice
had come up, the treaty would not
have been abrogatcd. We do not
want to get into that position again
of hanging on every mail to see
whether Congress has abroga,cd our
treaty. The conditions are more
favorable for us Low than they have
been for many years. For the first
time in long period the majoritics
of both houses of Congress nre OF
the same party. Mr.. Blaine, the
Secretary Of State, has more know.
ledge of Hawaiian affairs and SYM
pathy with us than any of his prede-
cessors, and the President Is with
Mr.. Blaine in the same regard.
The Republicans are acting as q
unit in the Executive, the Senate
and the House of Representatives
There is no man who can guarantee
that Mr.. blaine will be in that office
next fall, or that the balance o.
power will not be changed in Con
gress. If there is to be anything
done now is the time, for there will
never be more favorable cOmbina
ton of circumstances. The argu'
ment that the United States may dc
away with the duties is an entirely
.allacious one. We are in M
worse position than when w
bound ourselves in 1873 for sever
years. Now it is the part of wisdom
to take the chances OF the United
States not taking off the duties alto
} gether. The opinion of those hes
J qualified to Judge of what is goin!
to happen at Washington is that the.
are not going to take off the duties
If we do not have the treaty renewed
J at all we will be like outside barbar
ians to the United States. Better t
take our chances to get something
than make no attempt to get any
thing. With regard to the Unite
States making treaties with countrie
, to the south he did not think any
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