The Hawaiian gazette., 1890-06-10

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Rep. Brown An appeal from the rul
Ing OF fhe Chair is debatable.
President Walker-It may be so.
Rep Kapaehaole- Question is. shall
ruling OF Chair be su tained2 And this
question is debatable. l think ruling of
Chair Is not correct. The rules do not
compel presentation of report in both
languages. Rule A. provides that both
majority and minority may present re-
ports II Chair will read Rule II, it will
see that Its ruling is not correct.
Noble Widemann Merits of Rep.
Browns motion have nothing to do
with question before the House. The re-
port cannot possibly be before the House
until II is understood by all the mem
bers. Therefore, all motions to dispose
o. i are out OF order.
President Walker states that interpre-
ter Saws he cannot translate without time
20 revise il. rule that the House can
not take action on tin that case.
Minister Thurston says Rep. Browns
position is in accord with the ruling OF
the chair Ii is from this ruling that
Rep. Kalua appeals l say the ruling
OF the chair is correct, that there is moth
ing before the House, and that no action
can be taken, and that the report must
De returned to the committee as the
chair has ruled il should be.
Rep. Kalua made some observations
which were not translated.
Acknowledgement says the fact that the
report was not in Hawaiian was known
before the reading began Some mem
bers had found out after hearing 1t read
that il was loaded, and now they want
70 keep II from the native members.
This Is. as a matter OF parliamentary
ethics. grossly unfair. II the interpreter
cannot interpret it, one of the committee
can, and / support the appeal.
Rep. Nawahi says he hopes the appeal
vii be Withdrawn. The House has
elected President and ought to sustain
him when correct
President Walker says he makes no
ruling as TO translation, but simply that
report is not read yet, and therefore not
before the House.
Noble Widemann says no vote can
be taken on report as it is not before the
House.
Minister OF Interior-Correct.
Rep. Bush-I think, Mr. President,
YOU should order the Interpreter 10 trans
late the document. He can do it. | do
not propose to do the work of the Inter
prefer OF this House.
Mr. Wilcox, tine Interpreter, states the
document is complicated and full of
authorizations and interlineation. The
House has appointed me Interpreter, not
translator. | have done great deal of
work which belongs, like this, to the
translator.
Rep. Bush-I am not making retiec-
tons on the Interpreter, but it ought to
b,e read, as has usually been done. The
Hawaiian members ought to know the
contents. Let the Interpreter give the
gist OF il.
Rep. Bush asks what the ruling OF the
chair Is. Chair restates it.
Minister Ashford says the logical in
ference from the ruling is that when the
point mas been passed on, if sustained,
the reading must then proceed
Minister Thurston says he understood
the ruling was that the report was out OF
order because not in both languages.
President Walker-Yes, that was the
ruling.
Minister Ashford-Why out OF order?
President Walker-Because not being
II both languages it cannot be before the
House.
Minister Ashford-I understand, and
appeal Is withdrawn.
Rep. Kalua-I will withdraw the APP
zeal on condition that President Walker
shall withdraw his ruling.
Minister Ashford-The ruling is really
that reading must proceed. Calls OF
question:
Rep. Kalua-If Withdraw the appeal
and the President does not withdraw his
ruling, We are Just where we were in the
beginning.
Noble Saldwin-The chair ruled that
Il must be returned to the committee for
correction, so that in that ruling alone it
must be returned. The second ruling is
that il must be returned because not in
both languages.
Rep. Bush-The reading must go on.
How can native members know what
language is, unless it is read. president
That is what | am ruling on.)
Appeal is withdrawn.
President Walker rules against the
contention of the Minister OF the Interior
and in accordance with that Of the At
tornev-General. that the reading must
20 on.
The report was then translated by the
Interpreter.
Noble Baldwin-As a member Of the
committee who has not signed the re-
port, move it be laid on the table, until
] can bring a minority report. object
strongly to the haste with which this re-
port has been brought in. We had a
meeting OF the committee yesterday
afternoon. and it was agreed that the
committee meet the next day in the
Foreign Office to examine extracts of
the private correspondence OF the Min
lster of Foreign Affairs, and possibly
other documents, if we found anything
relevant. We were to collect further
evidence. This morning in the House
the chairman of the committee sent me
a report with a note stating that they
lad decided to report this morning.
Noble Mccarthy SAYS the motion to
law on the table is not debateable.
Noble Baldwin-proceeding-I have
lot even had time to read the report
through. l think it only just to delay
action until / can bring minority re-