, 1890-04-13

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him to p
"OL, that would be telling tales out o.
school"
do o mean to say that those plans
were secret p
Il do, and as they were fully explained
then to Emin he knows every detail. He
is now in the service of the Germans, and
| have no doubt that he has revealed
everything to his new employers, and that
they are acting on facts.
Then what is the solution of this
whole African problem, Stanley? Can the
Soudan be retaken2"
1T can, but only by a nation that has
a definite plan aud adopts definite aims
The Soudan can be mastered Just as GER
tainly as any other part of Africa.
But how? By a long and bloody
WARP"
mot necessarily. There are millions
of Arab fighters who can be bought. The
nation that arms these people with mod
ern rifles and tells them where they are
to strike will not only master the Soudsn,
but North Africa, Egypt included"
Could you get possession of the Sou
DAMP
Il rave not the slightest doubt of it.
and it could be done if England would
only do her duty"
1T would cost lots of money, would it
not?"
Yes, such a project would need at
least s3, 900, 900. 1t wouldbe useless to
start with less. | doubt very much that
the Soudan could be civilized with that
amount OF money. but | say that a good
beginning could be made and a
foundation Of government substantially
built"
Would you undertake the work, Stan
ley2'
Il will answer that by saying that there
is not a government in Europe that has
the stamina TO do it. Such a work needs
a nucleus in the shape of q man OF vast
wealth or a man of vast influence. | told
Sir Rutherford Alcock in 1878 that in
side of twenty years there would not be a
square mile of Africa unexplored. | said
that in same period OF time the continent
would be pierced in all directions by rail
ways if there was money furnished. EGG
land has taken a million of square miles
out OF Africa, France has taken a million
also, and so has Germany. God. who
would have dreamed in 1878. when l was
fighting my way mile by mile down the
Upper Congo, that today there would be
thirteen steamers on its waters.
rs it true that you have been offered
the ~governorship of British Affica?"
1T is not"
Have you received any offer to re
enter Africa2'
mo. You see me literally walking up
and down this quay like n dischs rged
sailor, and that is just what | am so far
as Africa is concerned. The work there
must be taken up with courage and
pressed until it is fairly finished. As |
said before. when England is ready to do
her work as she ought, the north Africa
question will be solved. but no stingy or
wavering method will succeed. There
be a distinct object in view and a
definite intention to accomplish it. Why,
expedition. IL was really FIVE weeks be
fore | got tho order to go. and yet | was
allowed to go to America and begin a
lecture tour lust because a few pounds
were lacking"
What kind of government do you
think will succeed in East Atrica?"
Such a government as the Congo free
state has. There tine systom is suited to
the people"
But do you think it worth while for
any nation to possess northeast Africa?
What is there to gain?'
There is the land to gain-land that
will grow anything under the sen. Why.
this soil you see here in Southern Italy,"
AID Stanley pointed to the green slopes
rising from the harbor-"would not be
looked at in Africa. We should call it
sterile. Then thu re are millions of strong
men to gain, men who can be converted
into wealth by proper management. Every
laborer who enters the United States is
valued at 81 900 as an addition to national
wealth. Africa teens with black men,
and they can be easily controlled. As
this population becomes civilized it must
be clothed and housed. Think Of what
q great work it will be for a nation"