, 1890-08-16

many. They were related hy the closest
bonds OF language, race aHd religion to
the Germans. Their means OF livelihood
would be increased when the island became
a part of Germany. He could not admit
the doctrine that the decision of the, pop,
ulatiOn of a place occupied for naval amt
military purposes ought to be conclusive.
There was the e latest difference betwee!t
possessions held for the benefit Of the pop
ulatiOu only and. possessions held solely
for the purpose of contributing to the de-
fence of the Empire as a whole. Cries of
Hear, lIear ~
Referring to the African clauses of the
conventions, he commended that as long AN
With was in the hands of another Power,
English interests northwards could beinter-
tered with, but under tho convention there
was not a chance of interference until the
confines of Egypt were reached. 'gatd'
ing Zanzibar he urged that an exclusive
English YrotectOrate would assist in the
suppression of the slave trade, aud devel-
Ope the of England ard India.
There was no ground fer experimenting II
diff :ulty over the convention with amy
European power. It was erroneous to allrge
that England had as much power in East
Africa before as after the conclusion 0f the
agreement. It W s impossible for "nglant
to affect to lock up the whole OF Africt:
There was only Que strong criticism
adverse to the agreement, arising from the
curious idea that a special adV antage per.
tanned to having a strip Of terri tory extend
ing from tie Cape Of Good Hope 10 the
sources of the Nile. He denied that this
would be of any advantage, Commercial or
strategic, Germany naturally objected to
being thus helumed III from all possible
contact with the Congo State: TlTe agree
ment was a necessity, if only to prevent IL
conflict between the English and the Ger
mans. Both were animated with an ener-
getic desire for acquisition. Any collision
was maguifed by title press, and excited
national paSsio =. The Government might
be unable to resist the COntagiOn OF pOpu-
Lar excitement. Thus a happy sympathy
between two kindred countries might ba
exposed to serious danger. The agreement
was a gain to both sides. 1t would remedy
all danger of disunion and conflict, cement
ing the good feeling between those who by
sympathy, interests and descent ought al
waNs to he friends. (Oheers.)
Lord Rosebery said it was no part Of the
duty of the House to pick small holes IN
the agreement. Whit would have been
said if such proposals had como from the
Gladstone Government 7 (%"Iteari hearty
He would not carp over arran geiUAnts that
tended to cement England'S friendship
win Germany, DuC ne could hot Help potuC,
ing out that III exchange for Heligoland
England got res responsibilities OF protection
rather than of dominion. Moreover. Par
lament ought to have the evidence Of e X
p .rts that the CO Ssion of Holia 5land %ipvOlv-
ed no loss of military advantage. Parlia-
ment ought also to know how the Govern
maut stood towards France in claiming q
positive qua anteeing power over ZLnzibar.
Lord Kimberly desired to impress upon
the Goyerum nit the fact that Par lament
ought not t.. be called upon to ratify the
cessiop. of Heligoland without assurance
that Franco would assent to Engl1nds
,prOtectOrate over 2 Lnzibar. ,
The bill passed the second reading with:
out divisiom.-N. Y. Tribune.