The Hawaiian gazette. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1865-1918, 1890-06-03

10 the respective committees.
Rep Nawahi said he was in favor O
the resolution as ii stands. The Min
listers have not said anything Silence
means consent, and the Ministers ar
silent. | see no objection TO the resolu
ton after the correspondence has beer
laid before the House.
Minister rhurSton saws the minister:
have not spoken because they have hac
no chance. Others have been too spry
on their feet, great deal of partizar
feeling on both sides. Now that there
are no more elections | certainly shall
try TO treat it as pure financial question
without bias, and hope members OF al
parties will take this view and not bt
determined by statements in papers, s
large part of which are not true. | know
that among opposition are many includ'
ing mover Of resolution, who are not op
| posed to a treaty The desire on the
part OF those gentlemen is to know just
what the Government has proposed, and
the Government wish TO give this lnfor'
nation. / must, however, oppose the
resolution on grounds already alleged.
1t prejudges which above all things must
not be done. Ministers object seriously
to clause stating that efforts of ministers
are open to serious objections. This state
ment goes TO the gist OF whole question,
and is stating opinion before you have
any of the documents and know nothing
about it except rumors. Now l am
ready to fight that proposition to the
! bitter end even if the whole House votes
| against me. Others too may have diff
ferent opinion and if they have l am
willing, hope they will vote accordingly,
but don't ask the House to decide the
whole question in advance before it has
seen line of the documents and evil
dences 1t seems 10 NE that it is most
dangerous and unwise claim to insert
any clause OF this kind in the resolution.
The mover of the resolution himself has
dilated in advantages of treaty. Is it
wise then TO commit ourselves before
hand and notify the United States that
we want no treaty, when We may after
ward favor it, or something similar to it
Therefore, l think if any resolution is
passed at all, that clause ought
to be stricken from it l also think
minutes of Cabinet meetings ought not
to be included. They are not complete
and not official, not required by law.
Frequently not kept-not kept in the
English Cabinet for instance. l remem-
Der nothing of minutes in this particular
case, but do know that the minutes
frequently misrepresent House is in
terested in knowing what ministers did,
not what particular arguments Minister
OF Foreign Affairs or Attorney-General
may have used. / therefore move that
clause referred to above and that calling
for the minutes Of Cabinet meetings be
stricken out.
Noble Widemann reads clause which
minister wishes stricken out, and SAYS
it is the very essence OF the resolution and
it might as well be thrown away as strike
that out. There is nothing in the reso-
luton except that.
In reply to Noble Widemann's inquiry
Minister states that of Cabinet councils
full minutes are kept, but of Cabinet
meetings. only informal notes.
Noble Widemann, continuing, SAYS he
does not feel sure that We have right to
ask for private papers.
Rep. Robert Wilcox saws he is in favor
OF resolution. Certain members seem
alarmed and oppose resolution. No
minister has spoken except Minister of
Interior. Minister Of Foreign Affairs does
not seem to be able to speak for himself. |
We want to know ali the facts. When |
facts are before us, we may find that |
some OF the ministers are annexationists. !
We know that the Minister of the Interior |
tried to treaten and intimidate His Ma
lesty into giving Henry Carter full power |
to negotiate the treaty. The draft of |
treaty is full OF Objectionable matter |
The fact that ministers do not wish to |
furnish information shows there is some
thing wrong.
Rep. Rickard said he would like TO |
make few remarks although not in the
loud voice of Rep. Wilcox. This is an
question. 1t is saying little to
say that we are dealing with country
which has been our best friend. The
United States have been our salvation
We were nothing before the treaty.
Since that time, by the aid of their good
will, We have brought the country to
pitch OF prosperity excelled nowhere.
There is nothing threatening our indie
pendence. am pledged to my constitu-
ents to protect the independence of the
kingdom. / have as much Aloha for
he country as any OF my Hawaiian
riends. The foreign population of this
country have no intention or design to
Orfeit its independence. 1t is as much
% their interest to preserve independ-
ence as to that of the native Hawaiians
We are not in possession of any letters
'r documents, and ought not to PREJUDICE
he question. If Rep. Kalua has facts
md documents and not mere newspaper
eports and prejudices, well and good,
)ut otherwise the resolution ought to be
withdrawn or amended. l am instructed
o watch this question, and should feel
cry sad if l should be the means of
aking one stripe or one shade from that
lag which has hoated over this country
or so long.
Rep. Bush was in favor OF the resolu-
ion. Treaty matters are of the utmost {
Importance. l am in favor of a good
reaty, but not such one as the Minis
er OF the Interior advocates. We all
now that the United States has been a
ood friend to US. So have France, Eng /
and, Germany, etc. America has done
nore for US because she is nearer. The
dinister for Foreign Affairs has pre- I
ented very meagre report. 1t looks as
hough great deal had been suppressed.
he treaty provides that We cannot with
raw from the treaty without the con- !
ent Of the United States. We would be
nder control of the United States and | :