New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1890-06-24


about Mr. McCann's business, for about four OF h'c
minutes probably ,.... -, a.. 49,, o.p remcrnbar
ma, took 1 place between You about that
AM can remember and ! had not y, vgch McSann
that he was going into business with nm: nr ~ W.,
Cam suggested for me to tax w1 Of i man he was
said to f Hda,n. why could 70" mot not go ng go S
he said think we will do well down here or some
thing TO ns, ee'1 Ire %a dc Ie yon know any
these Aldermen that is in TINS oea again, NJ no now
IS trying to hCa oyer 1aoPso name or not for
get But know was trying to stop ana eSpoS 81
Tnat was DONG a to s sHo to o M Adams Now
know ANYTHING abont this. wish Won wouId ieI ric
know Blu, he ' STan he 'G pg n at a III" had
more 10 saw so saw Mr.. Mccain afterward and
fellow, seH Sf 10 1 ne Conversation had with him yery
fellow sa& eos know yery h' smart sS' fell OVAL
Veil n / said, al think he is very smart man
That is all can tell you; you Know moro aooO' Hi"
'ne THAT is the substance of what passed, At
amored hsTe was $4,000 So MP a and sad Yon
might speak to Mr.. Adams about 1t and get some III
formation on that subject
MAKING POSITIVE DENIALS
Mr. Cboate now called the attention OF Mr. Croker
N that portion Of Mocsnn's testimony In when NC
cam alleged that Croker had told him that he had
been IN, al, day about the money that was 10 be used
for Mr. Grants continuation and that he wanted 10
find ont II Mccain knew certain man IN inc heiehooi
hood who would be safe custodian OF the money ana
satisfactory to the Aldermen whom Croker ana inc
others wanted to reach. Mr.. Croker said with en-
haio thu, all these statements were positively untrue.
with eoual force he denied that he had talked 10
Adams in order to ind out If Adams would be suit
able stakeholder and that he had opened any sa'che
or shown any Doodle" to McCann The examination
then went In this way
O-McCann says that in day or two after your
viai IN
those people wouldn't trust that fellow s INA any
such thing that occurl A.-No sir no sIr, ,o,
Odd you make inquiries Of any Aldermen aoou,
Adams and whether he was to be trusted Al uiu
not no sir. no sir. - soo, ,i,o
Odd you say anything in substance or ehect h X,
that to Mccain ANo sir, no sir All una, nS y,
about Adams from Mr. McCann who seemed sl;I 70
think pretty we'll Of himso well that he would brle
him into business with him and he Wan he xa nc u
o~At that place Mr.. McCann says in substance So
that he had previously rec3mmended Mr AoGsi that
fact. AmN .svs M, Croker told me that he knew
couple Of Aldermen that he wanted to reechEthere
was two Aldermen that he wanted TO reachthsf ne
snw Adams What w ha1c go 70 y9a saw about that
this. That Mr. Mccain had told me that he thought
Mr. Adams knew couple a OF Nh Srason or ro who
was-but he said that Mr. ADAMS knew couple pef 81
prevent the confirmation Of Mr.. Thompson other
person Thompson might want to confirm we Were
S @Scnscy to ca sISR tee '0nnr''0' ' '
OWN you state what the situation then vas was,
Ave doing all we could 10 stop him from hold
o.-Meaning by wei A.-The organization Of Tam
o.-Thai's you7 1aughter) A.-Tlc whole or
me o alone ne, was 9yy Pa Of he would
get his place for six wears longer and IN the mean no
up to prevent any successor taking his place who
might be friendly TO Tamnany Hail. and we wanted
O.-Mr. Mccain saws that Won told him that Mr.:
Grant was your candidate for the commissonerShp {"
Q.-Was Mr.. Grant in fact your candidate! A-No'
ODD you suggest him A--No sir.
Q.-Did You solicit his appointment A:-No, sir.
may have seen bis name mentioned IN ne papers
Hall.
Odd you say to McCann that you believed MAYOR
his confirmation A-No. sir never did.
QUOTING TESTIMONY FREELY.
Mr.. Choatc left part Of tie evidence 81 Mccain
bearing directly indirectly the famo1s $4,000
story unQuotea and Mr. Croker promptly and emphatic
ally denied all Of it. Mr. Choaie took the evidence piece
by piece leave room for any 0ce 70 say that
Mr.. Croker had merely made "A general sweeping denial.
lie not only made sweeping denial of the truth IN
general Of what Mr.. Mccain had declared but he DC
MED particularly and in detail every statement lie
also repeated several times without any variation his
own version OF his visit 70 Mccain. and stuck 10 his
statement that that visit made for tho purpose OF
interviewing Adams IN the first place with 'he object OF
ascertainng the mans character in order that he
might report it Nr. Mccain, who had Adams in
place incidentally that Mr.. Croker might find ont for
himself whether Mr.. Adams knew anything about the
10 the County Democracy plot with regard
to the Commls-onerShip Of Public Works and the al
legged fund Of 10000 that had been gathered secure
tie holding over in Office of Hubert 0. Thompson.
The examination went as follows:
o.--ilow did You hear that $4,000 had been gotten
together secure the continuation Of Thompson in Of
dec A:-Tha was a general rumor all around; ...
Odd the organization of 1ammany Hal have
candidate for the Conmissionershp at the latter part
u Q'~rhcy generally have candidate whenever a
Office is open YES sir Laush;er9 ,,oou.so
6.-Any other Ale was the only one who was
suggested by the organization that l knew Of !
Rot through committee Mr. Kelly at that time
sick In his house. went 10 his honse and aTN ne
What lie sent down to MI Edison to say that he
Meouade was the man he desired to sye nude con-
his house this time and conferred with him there
o-And Mr. Kelly was still acting as--well. as
boss (Lauehter) A.-Well, you may call 1t boss.
Mr.. choate now read McCann's testimony to the
effect that Croker was to get 10 cents barrel
royalty on cement used by the Public Works Depart
ent and in the new Aqueduct If he got Mr. Grant ap
pointed Commissioner. Mccain, IT should be re-
membered said that the manufacturer who was to
have the benefit supplying the city in the event OF
Mr. Crokers candidate being successful was man
at Newburg the Hudson. MIR. Croker said calmly
but deliberately. that all this was positively untrue
He never had any such conversation with McCann :
he never told him that he would get 10 cents barrei
on cement used in the department or on the new
Aqueduct should Grant be confirmed and nothn eo the
Kind as a matter OF fact ever thought OF By hin
81 come 10 another matter SAID Mr. Choate.
This was his prelude taking up that part of McCanns
evidence which was in some measure confirmed BY
the admission OF Mayor Grant that he had given
$4,000 in two sums Of 600 each to Flosslc Croker
who was his eodohlld. MCCann had said that the
sum was $4,000 and that it given in 1--WE install
rents of 80 900 each Dir. Choate asked
O-po Won remember the fact Of Mayor Grant stand
ing for Your daughter when she was baptized 7
OEDo Won remember the fact of his making a
present in money that same daughter after he be
came sheriff Ayes, sir.