The Irish standard. [volume] (Minneapolis, Minn. ;) 1886-1920, 1890-01-25


on property in Colorado before the sub
commission sat. then suggested the
adyisabiIity of my being posted on what
was the evidence of Importance to be
given by the other witnesses III order
chat mine should be corrOborated or at
least non-contradictorY. In reply he
said that a series OF questions and
answers required by them would be pre-
pared by Soames as soon as he (Kirby)
got back to London, after which he was
to return here and perfect his arrange
ments with me. Kirby, at the close of
the interview, returned to London,
promising to be back early in Decem ber
of that year. Before going wearranged
that in any correspondence we might
have. I should address him as j Don
aldson and he me as M. S. Smart. We
had some correspondence by the cable
and the mails, ana on April 4, 1889.
Kirby returned to my ranch near Monte
Vista, and in our interview he said he
knew was sentenced to assassination.
1 then told Kirby if it was true that my
assassination had been ordered Dy the
Clan ma Gael that it would be impos-
sible 10 give evidence before the sub
commission as arranged in our last in
terview. That at present had to have
two men armed with Winchester rifles
to protect me, and as | would not think
of living in this country l would go to
London on condition that
) THE TIMES WOULD BUY MY RANCH
and other property in Colorado for $I0,-
600. the money to be paid over to my
wife before started to London; e10.-
600 to be paid me after / had given nv
evidence, and that be guaranteed pro
lection Of the English government.
After some hesitation he consented to
my terms, and said he could speak for
both the Times and the government &C
cepting them. About the nature of my
evidence he asked il it would not be
likely to create sensation, and did /
not think that after my first da7 on the
witness stand Parnell would be likely
to fY the country or walk into the dock
after had given evidence. ltold him
I was desperate. and was anxious to get
even with the men who had ordered nv
assassination, and therefore wanted to
go to London at once, He said he
would immediately cable the Times the
result Of our interview, aud request
that money be Immediately forwarded.
Kirby then went to Pueblo, and upon a
letter from him requesting me to meet
him at Colorado Springs, did SO on
Nav 25th, and appointed meeting for
the next day, when he handed me list
of questions was to be asked before
tue commission, and requested me to ill
IN replies which the questions would
suggest. l told him 1 would not answer
such questions until I got to London
and got protection from the English
government. He then asked me to ye-
port to Mr.. Birch, the counsel employed
bv the Times. who had just come over
from London, the nature of the Goa
tract existing between us, and tell him
how far my evidence would be corro-
borated by documentary evidence in nv
possession. This I refused to do, and
Kirby then asked me to place Birch III
the position Of being able TO saw when
he returned to London that he had seen
me in Kirby's company, and state that
we had arrived at
A SATISFACTORY UNDERSTANDING.
This [ consented to, when Birch handed
me his card and told me he was there as
the Times representative. Kirby then
stated that there was some delay in re-
ceiving the money from Chicago, and it
was agreed that I should return home
and arrange my affairs, and that on the
10th I could return to Colorado Springs
with papers perfected for the transfer
OF MY ranch, when I would receive
$4,000. In conclusion, | have to say
that deliberately entered into negot1a
tlons with Kirby as the Tim s. repre-
sentative for the purpose Of getting
such IN Information as could from him
as to the methods which the Times en-
DlOys in getting up its case for the pur