The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1890-05-28

posed to a treaty. The desire on the
part of those gentlemen is to know just
what the Government has proposed, ana
the Government wish to give this lnlor'
nation. must, however, oppose the
resolution on grounds already alleged:
It prejudges which above all things must
not be done. Ministers object seriously
to clause stating that efforts of ministers
are open toserious objections. This state
ment goes to the gist of whole question,
and is statutory opinion before you have
any of the documents and know nothing |
about it except rumors. Now l am
ready to fight that proposition to the
bitter end even if the whole House votes
against me. Others too may have diff
ferent opinion and if they have am
willing, and hope they will accordingly,
but don't ask the House to decide the
whole question in advance before it has
seen q line of the documents and evl.
dences. It seems to me that it is most
dangerous and unwise claim to insert
any clause of this kind in the resolution.
The mover of the resolution himself has
dilated in advantages of treaty. !s 1t
wise then to commit ourselves before
hand and notify the United States that
we want no treaty, when we may after
ward favor it, or something similar to 1t !?
Therefore, think if any resolution is
passed at all, think that clause ought
| to be stricken from it also think
minutes of Cabinet meetings ought not
| to be included. They are not complete
and not official, not required by law.
Frequently not kept-not kept in the
English Cabinet for instance. l remem-
Der nothing of minutes in this particular
case, but do know that the minutes
frequently misrepresent. House is in
terested in knowing what ministers did,
not what particular arguments Minister
of Foreign Affairs or Attorney-G General
may have used. I therefore move that
clause referring to above and that calling
for the minutes of Cabinet meetings be
stricken out.
Noble Widemann reads clause which
minister wishes stricken out, and says
it is the very essence Of the resolution and
it might as we'll be thrown away as strike
that ont. There is nothing in the reso-
luton except that. f
In reply to Noble Widemann's inquiry
Minister states that of Cabinet councils
full minutes are kept, but of Cabinet
meetings. only informal notes.
Noble Widemann, continuing, says he
/
ask for private papers.
Rep. Robert Wilcox says he is in favor
of resolution. Certain members seem
alarmed and oppose resolution. Nc
minister has spoken except Minister Of
Interior. Minister of Foreign Affairs does
not seem to be able to speak for himself
We want to know all the facts. When
facts are before us, we may find thai
some of the ministers are annexationiste
We know that the Ministerof the interior
tried to treaten and intimidate His Ma
jesty into giving Henry Carter full power
to negotiate the treaty. The draft O
treaty is full of Objectionable matter
. The fact that ministers do not wish tc
furnish information shows there is some
thing wrong.
Rep. Richard said he would like te
| make few remarks although not in the
. loud voice of Rep. Wilcox. This is an
important question. 1t is saying little te
say that we are dealing with a country
| which has been our best friend. The
United States have been our salvation
We were nothing before the treaty
/ Since that time, by the aid of their good
will, we have brought the country to 8
| pitch of prosperity excelled nowhere
There is nothing threatening our indie
. pendence. l am pledged to my constitu
| ents to protect the independence of thu
: kingdom. have as much Aloha fol
, the country as any of my Hawaiian
} friends. The foreign population of THU
country have no intention or design tx
, forfeit its independence. It is as muct
, to their interest to preserve independ
/ ence as to that of the native Hawaiians
{ We are not in possession of any letter,
> or documents, and ought not to prejudg,
+ the question. If Rep. Kalua has fact
3 and documents and not mere newspape
. reports and prejudices, well and good
' but otherwise the resolution ought to b,
! withdrawn or amended. am instructed
= to watch this question, and should fee
: very sad if I should be the means O
taking one stripe or one shade from tina
: flag which has foated over this countr,
3 for so long.
Rep. Bush was in favor of the resolu
r ton. Treaty matters are of the utmos
D importance. am in favor of q goo,
, treaty, but not such one as the Minis
e ter of the Interior advocates. We al
i know that the United States has been
, good friend to us. So have France, Enc
. land, Germany, etc. America has dom
8 more for us because she is nearer. TIL,
8 Minister for Foreign Affairs has pre-
. sented very meagre report. It looks q
. though great deal had been suppressed
' The treaty provides that we cannot with
3 draw from the treaty without the con
+ sent of the United States. We would b
under control of the United States an,
t she would never let us go. The treat,
does not let us negotiate any treatie
! without the knowledge of the Unite,
3 States. That is not consistent with on
independence. am not going to sacri
3 fee independence.
2 Rep. Kalua said that after hearing FIJI
F discussion, he was willing to adopt tn
2 two amendments of the Minister of tn
8 Interior and the amendment of the mem
Der from Molokai.
a A motion to adopt the resolution =
: amended was carried.
d At noon the house took q recess.
: Afternoon Session.
9 The house re-assembled at 1 80.
Noble Widemann requested that he h
: excused from serving on the committe
! on the ground that his health will nc
g permit him to do the work.
y Rep. Kauhi said that it would be oper
\ ing the door to similar requests fror
others. But he has no objection.
Noble Pua said he had no objection.
Rep. Halstead gave notice Of bill "a
changing the District Court Of Makawas
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