The Hawaiian gazette., 1890-06-17

a sumo any responsibility. l might
multiply the quotations but will only
make one more. If the Cabinet volun-
tarIly assume responsibility they are
accountable if they are implicated.
But otherwise not, and it is not reason
or common sense nor justice to hold
men RESPONSIBLE for the acts of others
which they have been trying to prevent.
If one member of the Cabinet went out
and stole $40 according to this rule the
House could not notice it without voting
the whole Cabinet out OF Office. 1t may
be said that in England that they have
no written constitution. No, but the law
is the same as ours. They are governed
by precedent and so are we. l must
again appeal to this House and to
the opposition members whether OPP
posed to me or not, to stand up for the
privileges of this House. l do not be-
lieve this ruling was given maliciously,
but in ignorance of what the English
law is. Now that it is given it is the
duty OF the House not to support it but
to sustain the rights of this House. If
the ruling is supported the House de-
prives itself of the power to con-
slider the conduct of single
Minister. | think the point might
have been raised to some one besides
the Attorney-General. When the question
of his conduct and ours comes up to be
considered he tries to choke it off. Mr..
President, think l would have died in
my boots before l would have put N.Y.
self in such position. Now gentlemen
OF the loyal opposition, for | believe you
lOx,ol la.,o1 Il
views are different, the question before
you is not whether l am right or he is
right, but whether you can consider it at
all or not. demand the right as man
who has worked for three years night or
day. have never shirked to have this
question considered.
Minister Ashford-The Minister OF the
Interior thinks it unwise for the House
to let go the right to investigate the con-
duct of one Minister, but contend that
the House never had any such power.
The Minister thinks am afraid. Who
is afraid? l am not. The Minister OF
the Interior wrote this amendment, if l
am not mistaken, to choke off considera-
ton OF his own conduct. The Minister
thinks it unfair for the House to take
any partizan advantage. Who is trying
that? Do try to evade responsibility :?
l stand ready to fall with the rest, but
the others have the audacity to put on a
mask and parade their lofty patriotism
with the resolution of last nights caucus
grinning like a Goldfish from their
pockets. The Minister says the ruling
takes away privilege of this House. Mr..
President, the House never had any such
privilege until this Constitution, and if
this Constitution does not grant the
power, then it does not exist. He has
cited work by Mr.. Todd. l have a
great respect for Mr.. Todd; he was a
Canadian who had been as near England
as l have. Now, there never was vote
of want of confidence in the English
Parliament of less than the whole Cab
met This is only of a pace with the
conduct of the Minister of the Interior
and his friends. They want to go to
England for their law and to the United
States for their protection. Mr. Presi-
dent, have read little English history
myself, and l maintain that not once in
modern times has any such vote been
directed against less than the whole
Cabinet. The Minister suggests it would
be disastrous to the House. Now, if we
strike out House and substitute Minister
OF Interior, that would be what he had
in his mind. 1t is of no consequence to
me whether the appeal is sustained or
not. The Minister has pounded the table
with great force. He wants my iniquities
investigated. How about his own? l
am in bad company and admit it. They
got bad alter | came in, and when l was
away they got worse. CATER making
number of remarks about the treaty, the
speaker said y am not going to play
the baby act. am not going to cry over
spilled milk. am willing to go down
when there are four men here who
can do more for the interest of the
country than these three do. am will
ing to take my appeal from the House to
the people, and invite the Minister of
the Interior to meet me there.
Rep Kalua-Only question before the
House is whether ruling of President is
correct. | put Articles Al and AZ to-
gether, and seems to me the Presidents
ruling. l move the previous question.
Carried.
Rep Brown says-I want ayes and
noes called so that voters may mark
every members name who surrendered
their rights.
Rep. Kalua-Have the Ministers right
to vote on this question?
The President-Certainly
Rep. Kalua-Aole.
Minister Ashford protested.
President rule they have no right to
vote.
Minister Thurston-I wish to enter my
protest against the way in which the
Chair makes rulings, simply because the
crowd raises shout bandying about the
rights of Cabinet ministers. The Con-
stitution says Cabinet ministers shall
vote on all questions, except a want of
confidence in themselves, and / claim
the right to vote, although as matter of
delicacy l shall not vote, but 1 protest
against the ruling of the Chair.
Noble Widemann-Thisi is virtually a
question of want Of confidence.
Rep. Rosa-The Chair ruled that the
Ministers can vote, and think that the
Chair has no right to change its rulings:
And with all due respect, think it is
unfair.
President rule as 1 did in the first
place, that the Ministers have the right
to vote.
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