The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1890-09-04

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copy. | move the previous question. I
Carried.
The AYES and noes on the motion to /
the motion TO refer the bill TO |
a committee was then called, with the |
following result:
Ayes-G Brown, Spencer, Peterson,
Mccarthy, Phillips, Crabbe, Kauhane,
j. NJ Homer, Baldwin. W. y. Homer,
Walbridge, Anderson, Won TempSsy,
kanoa, c. Brown, Cummings, Marques,
Lucas, X. w. Wilcox, Rosa, Bush, kau-
hi, A. Horner, Waipuilani, Apiki. Pae
haoe, Kanealii, kalua, kamai, knudsen,
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Noes-Berger, Macfarlane, Muller,
Pua, Hind, Burchardt, Cornwell, q. \.
Wilcox. Baker, Richard, Kahookano,
White, HaIstead, 4. 5. Wilcox-l4.
Rep. Brown moved the bill pass, and
called for the ayes and noes.
Rep Richard moved to amend by re-
ducing the subsidy from 500 to $500 per
mile He took the ground OF Noble Mac
farlane The motives of the opponents
OF the large subsidy had been impugned.
The motives of those who voted blindly
such recklessly large subsidies might
With at least equal justice be attacked.
He was sorry that the bill could not go
to a committee. 81 800 was as large a
subsidy as the country could afford
Noble Baldwin-There has been no
bill before the House which has had
more attention than this, and | am in
favor OF passing the bill | have from
the first taken a conservative view, and
was decidedly opposed to guarantee OF
interest. At first favored a subsidy OF
81 800 only, but since then | have learned
more of the difficulties in the way, and
have taken trip on part on the line,
and have seen where a tunnel would
have to be made. The Hon. Noble Mac
farlane says he does not know that $500
would not about build the road. | would
ask. the hon. gentleman whether as a
member of the firm of Macfarlane & Co.
he does not know that that will barely
pay for the rails. base this remark
upon prices which We have paid for rails
imported through Macfarlane & Co. l
think under the circumstances that
So 800 is only reasonable subsidy. The
cost of the rails is only small portion
of the total cost of the line.
Noble Pua favored the bill, but thought
the amount asked for by the company
was sufficient, and could not understand
what prompted members to give the
company more than they asked for.
(Rep. Kapaehaole explained that it was
on account of the interest guarantee be-
ing struck out.)
Noble Cornwell said he had not ia
vored reference to a committee, in order
to kill the bill. He thought if the Gov
eminent was going to assist at all, So 800
a mile was little enough.
Rep. Brown said at the least calcula-
ton the laying of the road would cost
Sc, 700 per mile. There is pamphlet
here which every member has before
him which estimates part OF the road
at SIS 900, and another at $4,000 per
per mile. l think that is too high, but
it was based on the cost OF the Pearl
River division.
Rep. Richard said it mattered not for
the House whether the road cost SIS, 900
or $50, 200 per mile, but how much the
|. Government could afford to pay. The
road would cost enough, SO that it would
not pay the gentlemen who were invest
ing in it from motives beyond the knowl-
edge and authorization of this House.
The receipts of the Government would
not be increased by this road to an
amount corresponding to subsidy OF
| $500. This meant that the taxes of
poor people would have to be increased
| to support private enterprises in which
| they had little or no interest. There
were people here who were voting this
money, who would not vote 1t if it was
their own He intended to treat it as il
he were voting his own money.
Rep Kapaehaole stated that he had
introduced the amendment increasing
| the subsidy to 800 per mile. He saw
no reason why he should change his
| mind. The railroad would be OF great
| benefit. In riding down on the road, |
noticed that the ties were almost all ma
| tive timber from Hamakua. | noticed
| that the constituents of the member
from Hamakua (Rep. Rickard) were
greatly benefited by this road. l saw
that natives were employed on the road
[ saw great many native carpenters
getting good wages. | see more reason
than ever for trying to have this amend
ment passed.
Rep. White favored $500 mile instead
! of 800. The Government should con
slider the interests of the people as well
as those of the company. The railroad
would net benefit the common people
MIR. Dillingham; has merely employed
natives in order to make an impression
on the House
Noble Macfarlane moved to take a
recess till 80. Otherwise he would like
to have the floor.
| The motion to take a recess was lost
Rep. White claimed the floor, and
Noble Macfarlane resigned his right.
Rep. White said the road would only
benefit MIR. Dillingham; and MIR. Castle
who was running around outside there
| pulling wires. The company want &c
grab and get all they possibly can.
Noble Macfarlane said he had moved
a recess to enable the promoters of the
| company to make another raise. They
seem to have no difficulty in getting sup.
| porters. Yesterday it was proposed &c
me to reconsider that vote, SO as to pre-
vent its being brought up to-day.
Noble Mccarthy said there was very
good reason for that. for the result would
| be different. There was mistake
about that count yesterday.
The President said that was not SO
He had counted carefully and impartial
| ly, and was in better position to see
| than any member OF the House.
Noble Macfarlane, continuing, said ne
was not a member OF the firm OF Geo
| w. Macfarlane & Co., and knew nothing
of the cost of rails The question mar
rowed down to this: Why the informa
ton sought should be withheld. The
| lobbying done on this bill was simply
| disgraceful. His own position was per
fectly honest and perfectly tenabie. lie
simply wished to know what the actua
cost OF railroads in this country is, anc
members who oppose such investigations
| as are wanted are not doing their duty
as legislators to this country. | say this
sudden change on the part of members
| is very mysterious, and it shows that in