The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1890-06-10
THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.
Fourteenth Day.
MONDAY, June 9.

wish to answer the charges |
made by the Minister of the Interior |
against ME OF connivance with the in
surrection in this kingdom April last.
Mr.. President, the speech OF the Minis
ter
Rep. Brown rose to point of order. The
question of privilege must be stated to
the Chair and the Chair must rule on it
and must decide whether it is question
OF privilege or not.
Attorney-General-I claim that it is,
Mr.. President, question Of privilege.
President Walker so rules.
Rep. Brown says the matter has been
referred to the Printing Committee and
the House will doubtless set day and
then the matter can be discussed then.
Perhaps the member from District will
also rise to question of privilege then.
This is not the proper time to discuss it
Minister Ashford-I do not think it
the correct course to postpone, because
the attack OF the Minister of the Interior
was made as question of privilege, and
suggest that it is not correct to wait for
the reply OF the Printing Committee, be-
cause it is as much a question of privil-
eye for me to reply to his charges as for
him to mine. 1 am ready to make my
reply now. 1t will take no more time
now than later. A foreign mail leaves
to-day. The speech of the Minister of
Interior will 60 abroad on that, and peo-
pie will believe that there was an insur-
rection fomented here and connived at
by one officer of Cabinet. l submit as
matter of personal justice to myself and
advantage for the country, that l be al
lowed to speak to-day.
Rep. Kalua-What is the question. Is
it the reply?
The President-Yes; that is the ques-
ton.
Rep. Kalua said he has looked over
the rules and found none forbidding the
Acknowledgement to make reply as
question of privilege, although it may
seem little out of order as the House
has referred to the Printing Committee.
The advantage of hearing it now Is that
it can then be referred to the Printing
Committee and all be discussed together
in committee of the whole. Thereby the
House will gain time by letting the At
torney-General speak now. II Attorney
General is to blame, whole Cabinet must
suffer. Cabinet must stand or fall as a
Cabinet. Very notifying to me to see
Ministers 1uarreling with one another
taking up time of House to settle their
quarrels. consider that if good many
things stated by Minister of Interior are
true, the House must iInpeach certain Of
Ministers. l think if it is true that if the
Attorney-General was cOnniving with in
surrection in April, he must be impeach-
ed and if certain statements of the At
torney-General are true, perhaps others
must be impeached. But the Attorney
General ought to state precise points to
which he wishes to reply, and not 60 in
to fathoms of speech on anything else,
otherwise Minister of Interior will want
to reply again and House will be kept
here several weeks. l want thorough
investigation and have no personal feel
ing against any of the Ministers.
Noble j. NJ. Horner said that If the
honorable member for Waikiki would
apply to himself what he had said about
the Attorney General it would be better
for the House. Question is very simple ::
Shall Acknowledgement reply now or at
some other time? We are bound to hear
him, and as he wishes to speak now
do not see any objection. It may not be
according to parliamentary law, but it is
not unbusinesslike.
Rep Browns point is simply that mem
bers must state question OF privilege to
Chair, and Chair must decide whether it
is or not. On this point take my appeal
Ii Chair decides it is q question of privi-
lege, an appeal lies in that also.
Noble Widemann-A As I understand
the question we are to vote down the
ruling OF the Chair to exclude Attorney
General from answering. That is the
whole question. Let me read passage
from the " Thunderer What has be-
come of Anglo-Saxon love OF fair play ?'
Now, Mr.. President, l have not heard of
any attempt to shut off Minister of For
eign Affairs and Minister of Interior, and
do not think member of our party
would do so. Fair play to both sides is
equally dear to me. want to hear them
both.
Rep. Kahookano- From all that has
| taken place, think Acknowledgement
ought to have an opportunity to make a
reply. Moves previous question. Car
ried
The President states the question.
Rep. Brown states the question
Minister Ashford states the question.
Ruling of Chair sustained.
Minister Ashford-I stated -
Rep. Brown rose to point Of order.
Question of privilege must be raised at
time remarks are made, not 4S or 80
hours after
Minister Ashford-In the first place 1
raised the point at the time and besides
the question of privilege is before the
House. [Cites action of .. S. Senate
Chair rules Acknowledgement in order.
Minister Ashford-The length of the
remarks of the Minister of the Interior
make it necessary to speak at length and
am sorry cannot promise not to occupy
the House long. The Minister of the
Interior admitted the violation of the
law in advising the Marshal to violate
the law in disregarding the command of
the Acknowledgement They excuse it
because: l. They believe that violence
was threatene. 2. They believe was
conniving at it. Now LIST, with regard to
the confession. and I'd, with regard to
the defence. / will read section l and
part of section of the Police Act passed
by the last House in which the present
Minister of the Interior was active,
quotes passage in Bulletin). Response
biity means obliging to obey instruc-
tons. l mean that the orders from
superior are those by which he is bound,
and if he cannot obey them he must re-
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