Middlebury register. (Middlebury, Vt.) 1886-1937, 1890-12-12
NOTES, 1868 7.
Middlebury, Vt.

Smith Burr of Long Island says: II
owned Engineer, the sire of Lady Suf-
folk, son of old Engineer, a horse brought
here by one Jackson. | do not know
where he came from. This horse, old
Engineer, stood here one season at Cold
Spring. They said he was from Canada;
some thought it was so, but Sam Whit
son told me in my barn that they made
up that pedigree themselves. | was well
acquainted with Sam Whitson; he didn't
give any other pedigree. | don't think
the horse stood here but one year.
"The sire of Lady Suffolk was bred by
Alec Lewis, from brown mare, a pretty
good running mare.
"Mount Holly was by Messenger and
owned at Quogue, Suffolk Co., by Rich
ard Smith. He was bred on the Island.
! do not know what the blood of Poto-
mac was they called him well bred
horse. Don Quixote was by Messenger
and stood here at Huntington, owned by
one Nissan; this was before Engineer I'd.
"Whitson and John Tappan pretended
to own old Engineer, but they never
owned him. think they hired the use
of him from some one and he went back
TO his owner. Whtson Oakley at Bull
Head should know something about it.
sold Engineer was Il clean, smooth
made horse of pretty good size-l6 hands
and pretty well turned; did not run.
Engineer "a did; rather Il coarse horse,
big, raw-boned, strong-made horse, gray,
16l hands. He was wind-broken roared
ii little. | never heard of any other son
of Old Engineer. Engineer ID got on
the track at Westbury. The dam of
Lady Suffolk was owned by Leonard
Lawrence of Smithtown, l.. l., who is
alive yet. She was by Don QuiXote.
The Floyd's had that mare. think you
can find out in the town of Huntington
who bred Don Quixote. 1t was always
said he was by Old Messenger. knew
Ryland2r, but don't believe he had Il son
of Messenger. 1t will be remembered
that the original Maine or Winthrop Mes
senger, brought to Maine about 1916
from Paris, y. V, was owned previous
to that by Rylander on Long Island. 1t
has always been question whether this
horse-Winthrop Messenger-was by Il
son of Messenger or by Messenger him
self, or by some other horse from a
daughter of Messenger. He had very
strongly the Messenger characteristics
and was always called Messenger, but,
as he was advertised as eight years old in
1919, and as Messenger died in January,
1905, it has always seemed to us that he
was by son of Messenger and we have
always so treated him in our books.]
washington was sired by Napoleon,
son of Commander, and | believe Com
mander was by MambrinO. The dam of
Washington was by Cornish Mambrino,
son of Mambrino I'd, by old Mambrino.
j think Commodore was by Commander,
but am not positive. Napoleon was the
best horse ever owned here. He was by
Commodore; dam, a Ball mare. Every
thing he sired was good. Black Harry,
Nelson, Rhode Island were all by him
anu lie you lne udi1 Vi haTus. L raised
Columbus by Napoleon; dam an Engi-
neer mare; sold him for $1,000. He went
to Michigan and was poisoned soon after.
] never got all my pay. a man took
Rhode Island to California and trotted
him. He was by Napoleon out of Hen
ry mare. The Rose of Washington was
by Washington, dam by Gen. Cofite,
French horse owned in New York Lady
Woodruff was a full sister,
We had very interesting interview
with NJ. ii. Lloyd, born in 1928, whose
address is box SO, Suffolk, l.. |. He said
"My father had stallion called Mes
senger by old Messenger, gray, 15-2
hands, very ugly. can remember him."
Mr.. says: 81 knew Hiawatha,
between black and brown, 15a hands, a
very well built horse, very much like his
sire, Jackson's Flying Cloud. John Gill
pin was black and about the same size.
Hawatha was bred by Tim jackson and
kept at Flushing. Sailor Boy and Mig
ger, both trotters, were by Flying Cloud.
Ed. Mott raised one and Jim Moore raised
John Gilpin."
Mr.. Smith Burr was positive that the
pedigree of Amazonia, dam of Abdallah,
was unknown. He knew the mare well.
Mr.. Burr thought that Abdallah lacked