New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1890-05-04

Q.-Was II your idea that the Aqucduct under
the control Of The Department of Pubic Works u
| do not know ANYTHING about II. ,,
@. Ne said that Grant. Commissioner OF fubIlo
Works could got mas cement used IN the Aqncduct
and IN the Department Of Public Works les
o.-No' no. You .nld IN the Aqurduct. II might
have been IN the Department Of Public Woiks a.
o. want to Hnd ont whether the AQueduct was
Q.-When Croker told Won that evening that he was
very tired and had been out all dav, Ola ne sa| NC
had been engaged all The time IN connection WIN ms
husiness' NO he did not say 20 explicitly out
! 80 understood H.
Mr.. lvir~ pd YOU ever hear from any one what
came Of that ~ 20 ooo' Ne sir -, fl, ,,,cr Mr.
SrSSsT Law n, YOU sn n. syenaS On He% var psy
g. Who told YOU that DO 'ou remember no"
d. hut viii not 1n,y ncc,,e Of that none,
after Mr Croker left YOU that night A-No' conIa
O p,d Won learn that Mr. Croker had taken large
SPIN II money to his own house about ''' 'i'hei A.
o Whom did YOU hear that from Al refuse to
Mr. wins addressiug The cbalrG,n,,A. 70 these re-
fusal- ia questions VIII take the'e up w
q Sou arr a commitment in the Roman Catholic
Church Al born and hapti,d IN that 'hnttn'
Q.You are member Of that bow now 4 " "
| S-yon' F recognize the Sanctiiy Of an OATH A
! a DO Won dislike Mayor Grant or Mr. Adams sum
cicntiy 10 esfr against Them under oath No. Nv
own soul J. II more importance to me t"n MAYOR
The Charfnan-f think u would be best for the witnes
and evcrybcdv concerned that the persons u. r,er, ~
should De named ana slven an "pP'''''' " ''
/ the ~ his Information
The witness then stepped lightly from his chair
NJ the right hand Of Senator tassct', ana Johh ~
| Townsend who had been watching the proceed
T inqs throughout. causing everybody 10 wonder LOT
whom suddenly appeared at the connfls 'a"f'
and 1t became known that this mysterious gentle
man was Met AIMS attorney. After the heads OF
/ counsel aud client mad been very close together
/ for few moments. Mr.. Towns'nd SAID tha' Nc
/ Cam was willing 10 make statement u" Inc COM
mitiee Al executive session In regard 10 'hese IT,
fsals The witness then resumed has seat ano
tie chairman raped vigorously for order
The chairman-was the gentleman who t9ld yon
about this mHtteg relative oI partner IN business
G'"weu. well. / want TO know who it was. Ii was
q man who told Won You mnst give MS hi4 name
MIR ivins~ DID he tel you that he knew tho
~ 900 had bo.,n returned !
The hartman Pardon me was mi folnS 'sy $50 10
yygl Al do not remember the conversation very
Odd he SAY he hsa heard the money wac reinrned
Dr that he anew was returned Ale SAID u
returned New Year DAY ~ IL
Q-when dd he ,cn you A-wi'hin ten DAYS.
' oDG he "i tc yon 10 whom the money was re
turScd, D' spe eli ali you ADN S'''''
Odd he mcutiou The AMOUNT A.-No:. ooo.
6;-Did he say anything 10 YOU about slso'ooo'
eb he mention any definite i" va. a'7 fo i
,iai the none. was returned on New Years Day.
know bE nnderSiood i to be Inc same sum Af;
my EVIDENCE la, week he told me the money wa' re
T ii6 Sia.rman-Trom whom did you Leap that Mr.
Croker had taEsn large &c. sum OF money I" MS Own
@ when did YOU hear thlsI About the time
C-What did Mrs Croker tell you about The money
A..she saia that hcr hu ,6ana broggi the money ,any
her 10 large amount. She watched over the
money bags III l'er husband return home.
ODD she identity n a. TINS same money A.
o-wbcu did she tell YOU about tlisl Ain
psnng Of II iterward In telling her Of this transac
Q-wnhin wha, time after Mr.. Croker was IN your
store this conversation with Mr.. Croker n |
G Dd slc then l2cat. The time le egons1t rle
told her when he came home that II VA large sun /
OF money and that ~ Suaried II during HI. absence
A.~Ycs..
Q-wlcrc does he nvei AIT his residence In |
O. When these books left your posset SION did they
then contain accurate statement Of your accounts
O. You could no, say whether all vrnr tran. ac |
tons were on those books Al know they ecrr
O. Then 4 I'm. schedule was made up from those
book, ,o'y, tlcy would b. Just a, defective a, those
Go member Of tne committee his convcr-ed with
YOU about r. b,,',.,1il you - nr.r ~ No.
tins committee ha. ever been offered Sou by any mem
bc, Of b. A. So positively Do.
% fhr,nsh ans person actually representing the |
committee A.Aot from arv person whatever.
Q.iou md a ,"nvcntnon with Mr. CROKER about
ne ons n, ~, o. fselc Mor you AID Can
q Because You d" not remember ~ Al do not
reueuhcr 1t. never expected 1t 10 come up here or
O. I'D he -ay who b. e.ualante vas A.-Nc'.
Q. VINO VA il A.-Nr. Grant
ODD Dr. .ay that there we're any other candidates
A.. telcye 80. but a. not r.mombcI t!c'r nhme,,
Q-pd be ~ay any thing Of Tie appointing POKER OF
o-Dd he trll Won what va. nec'~'ary !" b.
na' necessary T." raise money 70 get this nomination
. Did he mention EA-ons name at the ,imel A.
o.-Did Croker tell you this at this amc' AT
Q-Ih- after the election A.-Ies. In less
he ran for Alderman for The term Of leso4 lie was
one Of u" Aldermen bui ho ga nn take his seat.
Mr. lfln-l l. o. = fact hat tiOfcr WA appointed
fi" C"mmi. ''on"r about that tlrlc Ayes. Ater
bis ell, ton he gave ni4 place To- kennev.
q The chairman am trying 10 -, the time Of
ihl- conv'rt;on when Croker 'od Won that Il Grant
A.-Well. do not Nnemhcr IT,
.. You did Discus the situation thoush1 4
Q.-where we're these talk, held .A.-At his
hon-e ,ome'ime- -ometme, when We met on The
IN" ,hai. rou said there lot Of new
thing, II oot-'l wanted them. To what did Won
icfT' Al mean Il these people continue to black
guard ms hou,e viii come back on them
me Chairman don't know what Won r,'cr TO-
Nilnes-. l.ignih autyf-l d. ough. Uauehi"f1 ~,
RE 'haiuuah-is there anything IN conh'choh
with IN" public department you want 10 peak
shout ! A-ph no. ! merely that II this p"rsccn
ilIh continue these people viii hear from ne
There are other place besides ths court. Hxcite
WrutJ
The thsirmsn-lt seems 10 me that You owe IT. to
yourself and 10 all 'erncd 10 specify WhhU
yDn have 10 say WITH reference 10 any public con
duct Of others. ] do not for their private
affair. Al do not want 10 say anything about ,
THEN private affairs.
Q.-liaye you ever had any private taDp
with Mr.. Grant about hi, conduct ,
Nlayor. sheriff or Alderman Ayes.
O. Did You ever talk with him AT all about hi | ,
pc .ations 10 the Broadway Railroad buslnessf A. {
les.
Q.-What did you saw A.-Therc ] stop. I'll &
not 90 any further
Mr.. CocHan- oh don't be reluctant Let's have
{ all.
Mayor Grant would like t. have him state