New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1889-07-27

,-,o, p,, CHURCHILL ANSWERS SHARP
.rr.cx sy MR. BRADLAUGH-PARNELLAN AND
nn,zS VOTE WITH THE GOVERNMENT
rondon. July 26.-When the DEBATE Oh 'ne nc
.ort OF the Royal Grants Oomni''ee was ie,u s"At.
N the House of Commons ,o'u'S W. ''1~..e.,
I'd he found difficulty in discussing the question
So. ,,hor Mr. Balfour outside of the House
soa ,ho affections as disgusting ana sordld
~ no,onts of the grants meant nothing per-
o,o1lr 6iscourteous TO the members OF the hoyai
sou.gr hut were simply acting within their
,;h.s when they met the demands OIL tle
Crown on question of finance Win
s;root necative Much of the argument IN favor
- tho Grants was based on the erroneous idea that
mo Crown. under the Civil List Acts from George
onwand surrendered it's private property IN
xcbange for a civil list Neither George
,or his successors, Mr.. Bradlaugh declared, sur
endered anything The present Royal family
lever surrendered anything of farthing value
10 the country The committee of inquiry had
eHcited the fact that during the present reign the
savings upon certain classes under the Civil LAST
Acts. instead of being applied to defray the ex-
penses of other classes, had been handed to the
Queen without the authority of Parliament and
in breach of the statute. tCries of Hear"
"Hearp) The Right Hon. W. II. Smith, the
Government leader, had denied that the alleged
savings of the Queen were over 100000 pounds,
but he declined to show how much money had
either been saved by the Queen or drawn by the
other members of the Royal family from all
sources.
Mr. Bradlaugh said there ought to be nothing
TO conceal The fact of the concealing led to eX-
aggerated ideas. The refusal of the Government
10 disclose the wealth amused by Royalties justi-
fed the aversion of the country to Royal grants
lCheers)
Lord Randolph Churchill argued that the
original demands of the Government were lust,
besides being in conformity with precedent III
burdens were thrown upon the Crown not IN
tended under the civil list it would impair the
credit of the Nation and of Parliament MI
Bradfaugh had questioned the title of the Crown
IL its estates; but successive Parliaments had
recognized. and none of the greatest lawyers had
ever yet challenged, the Crowns title. lie re-
minded the House that Sir Henry F. Ponsonby,
Her Majesty's private secretary, few years ago
denied reports that the Queen was making I'm
mense investments in ground rents, and stated
that she had not l 900, 900 pounds to invest III
anything Lord Randolph said that the Radicals
overestmate of the Queens wealth was designed
TO excite popular feeling against Royalty. lie
objected TO the adoption of methods the purpose
of which was 10 foment a clamor against the
throne, which, in spite of them, would remain
steadfast in the affections of the people. CheerSJ
Lord Harrington complained OF Mr.. Bradaughs
pedagogic and minatOry air. He SAID that If 1t
was true that the law was contravened in allowing
civil list surpuses to accrue TO the Crown, II was
almost for impeaching the present and for
mer Ministries. II was impossible, he contended,
10 lay down hard and fast rule. He thought
that the Queens waving the claims of the younger
children the present case, and that the future
might be left TO future Parliament. In any case
the Queens message was worthy of respectful at
feutlon.
Sir Wifrd Lawson twtted the Conservatives
for refusing grant tc the Prince Consort, and
evoked laughter by recalling certain ucomph
mentary references made by Mr.. Chamberlain TO
Royalty.
Mr.. Goschen, Chancellor of the EXchequer, after
refuting in detail the contentious of Messrs. Ia
bouchere and Bradaugh. cOntrasted Mr. Clad
stones dignifed utterances with those heard to-
night and said that there was little need to fear the
result of the debate.
Ar. LabOucheres motion TO adopt his substitute
for the report of the ROYAL Grants Committee was
rejected by vote of 39S TO / 6.
Mr.. Morley will Monday move an amend
ment declaring that the House is unwilling to
increase the burdens of the people without assur-
ence than no further claims will be made for
younger members of the Royal Family.
Mr. Gladstone Mr. Morley. Sir William Vernon
Harcourt. Mr.. Parnel Mr.. o Brien and the bulk
of the Liberals and Parnellites voted with the
majority The Radical minority included Sir 6.
o. Trevelyan, Richard Chamberlain and i. 7.
OConnor.