The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1889-11-17

the best and most thorough, Is the one note
of all his converse at present. Your hope
is your university These were the exact
words he made use of to an American
priest, and l know that he sees nothing but
the future brightest, in spite of the present
trials, for the church. | can quite corrobo-
rate Archbishop Corrigan's statements.
What he has concluded from proper in
ferences know of my own knowledge to
be the case. The pontiff is aged and ven
cradle, but he may live very much longer
than many of those who pity him"
as it true that the Vatican contemplates
broader policy with regard to co-opera-
ton with the Protestant churchH'
1.-THE Catholic church will always CO.
operate with any forces that will work for
the good of the church and Gods glory" re-
piled the delegate, a non-connital yes.
But the present policy of the Vatican
appears to be especially LIBERAL
1.-The church has always been liberal. 1t
is her enemies that have been illiberal to
herr
1.-The Pope to-day, with different sur
roundings and with slightly different per
sonalities to deal with, is still the concilla-
tory, pacifcatory moral agent in the world.
If he has made himself felt in the field OF
diplomacy, no one knows better than he
that it is because of his moral force. He
has no standing armies, no brute material
force for his sanction. His sanction Is the
right, the TRUTH
1t was obvious that your correspondent
had touched upon painful topic, and one
to which the legate did not feel like re-
spending in set terms. On another occa-
sion, however,
MoNSEIGNEUR HUWLETT,
the legate's secretary, and indeed inter
prefer, expressed himself as follows to
your correspondent
'Of course l can understand that gov
ernments based upon material force cannot
those based on moral force. AS
the common saying is, they Judge others by
themselves But really no nation has any
thing to fear, from its own point Of view,
from the temporal power of the Vatican.
However, the Pope is in actual need of
some autonomy. AS it is now, the alleged
liberality CT Italy needs nothing but the
wanton suppression of the churches. The
Pope can hardly venture in the streets of
Rome without danger of being insulted,
In certain sense you recognize limited
principle of temporal power in your own
constitution 1t was felt that the Presi-
dent of the United States should not be
subjected to the jurisdiction of any one
state. Therefore, he resides in the Dis
trict of Columbia, which has government
peculiarly its own. Ii in a purely secular
government like that of the United States,
such precautions are necessary to protect
the dignity of the chief executive then
how much more are we Catholics who be-
heye the Pope to be the vicegerent of God
on earth, justified in demanding for him alb
solute independence. Should he not be per
mitted in all fairness to establish govern
ment of his own over territory of his own,
if not for the benefit of that territory, at
least in defense of his own pontifical dig
nity."
But" asked the correspondent, sis not
the popular impression about the papal
claim TO temporal power quite different
from this idea you now advanced"
mo doubt" replied the monseigneur,
''but the present need seems to be not so
much the welfare of d secular as of spirit
ual world. Both, no doubt, are at stake,
but the latter at present is more in ques-
ton than the former
MoNsEIGNEUR o'coNNELL,
of the American college at Rome, is also a
guest at Cardinal Gibbons residence.
ventured, III accordance with the Erdmin-
eT'S instructions, to sound him with regard
to who were the candidates for the papacy
in the event of the present incumbent's
death. | was glad to have reserved this
query. The answer is indiscribable, but
it was impressive. why, you don't suppose
that there is any analogy between an cleo
ton at St Peters and a political caucus in
the United States! The affairs of St. Peter
are now in the hands of an upright, self
sacrificing, learned man, whose ability and
character are the wonder of the civilized
world. VINO is in mood to think of his
successor! You ask me who are the can
didates. l can answer the question easily.
There are none"
CARDINAL TAsCHEREAU,
chief deputy TO Canada, was also found at
the cardinals residence. He said most de-
cidedly he was certain there could be no
truth in the alarmist reports about the
Pope's condition. He had heard very re-
Gently from the other side, and all his ad-
vices announced only the best of news In
answer to question with regard to the
labor question, his eminence replied very
systematically:
1.-The laboring man will find the true solu-
ton to his troubles in greater economy and
self CONTROL
CARDINAL GIBBONS.
It was not without some difficulty that
your correspondent obtained an interview
with the great man whose remarkable in
tellectual powers have been exercised in the
iindest philanthropical and charitable de-
votion. Only when the exercises were all
over and he was engaged in the sad duty of
godspeeding the departing guests, was he at
leisure to say but brief word or two.
In answer to interrogations put to
him largely in the way of conversation, he
seid: Il am very glad to note a growing
with regard to the church (his
eminence of course meant the Catholic
church,. The removal of the feeling OF
suspicion will greatly facilitate US in our
work Tho dist with i,I,
every movement of the church has been
viewed by those who were not in it had
hindered much of the progress devoutly
wished for. The church is fully in synpa
thy with every true and higher feeling of
1t is bound by the higher feel
ing of humanity. 1t is bound by no unchar-
liable view of its enemies. 1t views with
no disfayor innocent joys and is indulgent
to proper customs. For Rome, pontificial
Rome, preserves not only the future OF
civilization but the past"
1t IS eminently fitting at the close of the
Catholic centennial celebration to recall
Macaulay's great tribute to the Catholic
church in his essay on Ranke's History Of
the Popes:
There is not, and there never was on
this earth, a work of human policy so well
deserving of examination as the Roman
Catholic church. The history of that
cnufcu JOINS together Jne Two great ages
of human civilization. No other institu-
ton is left standing which carries the mind
back to the times when the smoke of sacri-
fee rose from the Pantheon, and when
and tigers bounded in the
Flavian amphitheater. The proudest royal
houses are but of yesterday when com
pared with the line of the supreme pontiffs
That line we trace back in an unbro1en
series from the Pope who crowned Napo-
leon in the nineteenth century to the Pope
who crowned Pepin in the eighth; and far
beyond the time of Pepin the august dy-
nasty extends till it is lost in the twilight
of fahla The Ennmhlin of Nenicn l.arnn