The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1889-07-27
The Government Arraigned by Mr.. Bradlaugh
for Refusing to Disclose the Wealth Pos
sessed by the Queen and Her Family.
Flighty Ideas of Continental Socialists
Disgust Their English Brethren.
Legitimes Forces Secure Slight Advantage
in an Encounter with HippOlyte's Army
Presents for Mr.. and Mrs. Gladstone.
THE ROYAL GRANTS.

Mr.. Labouchere's Substitute for the Com
mittee's Report Rejected in the Commons.
LONDON, July 26.-When the debate on
the royal grants was resumed in the House
of Commons, to-day. Mr.. Bradlaugh said he
found difficulty in discussing the question
calmly, when Mr.. Balfour, outside of the
House,denounced the objections as disgust
ing and sordid. The opponents of the
grants meant nothing personally discourte-
Gus to the members of the royal family, but
were simply acting within their rights
when they met the demands of the crown
on question of finance with direct neg
ative. Much of the argument in favor
of the grants was based on the erro-
neous idea that the crown, under the
civil-list acts from George / onward, sur
rendered its private property in exchange
for a civil list. Neither George nor his
successors, Mr.. Bradlaugh declared, sur
rendered anything. The present royal
family never surrendered anything of
farthing's value to the country. The CON-
mittee of inquiry had elected the fact that
during the present reign the savings
upon certain classes under the civil
LIST act, instead of being applied
to defray the charges of other
classes had been handed to the Queen
without the authority of Parliament, and
in breach of the statute. [Cries of Hear,
hear."l Right Hon. w. H. Smith. the
alleged savings of the Queen were over
f3,OOO,0O0, but he declined to show how
much money had either been saved by the
Queen OF drawn by the other members of
the royal family from all sources. Mr..
Bradlaugh said there ought to be nothing
to conceal. The fact of the concealing led
to exaggerated ideas. The refusal of the
government to disclose the wealth amassed
by royalties justified the aversion of the
country to royal grants. Cheers.
Lord Randolph Churchill argued that the
original demands of the government were
just, besides being In conformity with pre-
cedent. If burdens were thrown upon the
crown not intended under the civil list it
would impair the credit of the nation and
of Parliament. Mr.. Bradlaugh had ques-
toned the title of the crown to its estates;
but successive Parliamentsh had recognized,
and none of the greatest lawyers had ever
yet challenged, the crowns title
He reminded the House that Sir Henry +.
Ponsonby, her Majesty private secretary. a
few years ago denied reports that the
Queen was making immense Investments in
ground rents, and stated that she had not
FL .0O0, 900 to invest in anything. Lord Ran
dolph said that the Radicals overestimate
of the Queens wealth was designed to ex
cite popular feeling against royalty. He
objected to the adoption of methods the
purpose of which was TO fOment clamor
against the throne, which. in spite of them,
would remain steadfast In the affections of
the people. [Cheers.l
Mr.. Labouchere's motion to adopt his
substitute for the report of the yal grants
committee was rejected by vote of 39S to
lie.
Mr.. Morley will, on Monday move an
amendment declaring that the House is un-
willing to increase the burdens of the peo-
pie. without assurance that no further
claims will be made for younger members
of the royal family.
Lord Harrington complained of Mr.. Brad
laughs pedagOgic and minatory air. He
said that, if it was trues that the law was
cOntravened in allowing civil-llst surpluses
to accrue to the crown, 1T was almost a case
for impeaching the present and former min
lay down hard aud fast rule. He thought
the Queens waving the claims of the
younger children met the present case, and
that the future might be left to future
Parliament In any case, the Queens mes
sage was worthy of respectful attention.
Sir Wllfrid Lawson twitted the Con-
ervatives for refusing grant to the Prince
cOnsort and evoked laughter by recalling
certain uncomplimentary references made
by Mr.. Chamberlain to royalty.
Mr.. GOschen, Chancellor Of the Ex-
chequer after refuting in detail the con-
tentions of Messrs. Labouchere and Brad
laugh, cOntrasted Mr.. GladstOne's dignihed
utterances with those heard tonight. and
said that there was little need to fear the
result of the debate.
Mr.. Gladstone, Mr.. Morley, Sir William
Vernon -Harcourt, MIR. Parnell, Mr.. O'Brien
and the bulk of the Liberals and Parnell-
minority includes Sir G. o. Trevelyan,
Richard Chamberlain and 7. T. O'Connor.
The majority consisted of 252 COnserva-
tives. "a Unionists and 92 Gladstonians and
ParnellItes