The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1889-10-08

no question about his position regarding
his belief in the creed as we have II In
the Book OF Common Prayer, We have
heard the learned deputy from Chicago,
who fortunately snota clerical laughter
say that he does not believe 10 the
Nicene creed, that he never said the
the words from the Son.
"Nothing struck me more at the open
ing services Of this convention than the
saying Of the creed OF the Catholic
church. It Is true there was one laymap
silent, and presume from what have
heard to-day that there was one priest
silent too. But there was one great
diminution in the mighty sound. II the
Nicene creed Is the Roman Catholic
creed, then this body Is Roman Oatho'
| lie body, with two or three Protestants
in 1t Qaughter), who have put them-
selyeson record Applause and laughter,)
"This Is not Roman Catholic body,
Far from 1t In the same breath that
the lay deputy from Chicago tells US
that this ia a Roman Catholic creed, he
tells US it was first made in the Council
OF Toledo, A, d. $50, That is an old
date for Roman Catholicism In Spain, ]
am not willing TO allow Roman Catho'
lie supremacy in the West then, be-
cause | cannot but remember that this
is about the time st, Augustine came to
England, The Nicene creed was never
kLnS n to a Roman liturgy until lao, II
ia q terrible thing to suffer under the
anathema Of the church, not so bad as
II might be, but still It Is u very bad
thing, We are told that II we said the
Nicene creed as In tue Prayer Book the
other day that We are all mathematical
by decree OF the General Council OF
the church, The NiCene creed proper
ly, as We all know, ended with the sen.
tence, Il believe in the Holy Ghost,
There was not anything said about pro-
cession from either the Father or the
Son, As veal know, the Macedonian
heresy followed the creed Of Nicea. Then
to meet that the creed OF C0nstantinople
formulates further explanations about
the Holy Ghost,
"When the Fathers assembled at
Fphesls, at the time when the lay depu.
ty from Chicago says they pronounced
this anathema, shall quote as 10 what
was resolved from the actual record Of
their proceedings;
"'Theas things having been read, the
synod Is determined that no one shall
be allow to bring forward or TO write or
compose any other creed besides that
which was settled by the Holy Fathers
assembled In the city Of Nicea'-not a
word about Constantinople, not refer
ence to it-'But those who shall dare 10
compose any other creed than that Of
Nicea II bishops or clergy
shall be deposed.' Mr.. President, that
is dangerous, II laity, they shall be
[Laughter.l They shall
be mathematical II they depart from the
creed OF Nicea. Then the General
Council Of Constantinople stands
mathematical. l suppose the learned
gentleman from Chicago, II he omitted
the 'flioque,' took up the creed again
when he said: 4 believe in one baptism
for the remission OF sins Who set that
forth? The creed OF Qonstantinople. II
is a clear addition TO the creed OF MEGA,
II we believe in one baptism
for the remission OF sins, We stand
mathematical. l don't think we are
prepared to accept that view OF the case.
II the 'hlioque' in the NiCea creed i'm.
plies q heresy, then 1t is as much a
heresy 10 sing 1t or say 1t anywhere, 10
the Litany or anywhere else.
"The course OF the debate shows that
II we do not pass this resolution, II will
go on record that this church does not
believe the Nicene creed. We talk a
great deal about changing the name OF
this church, and / believe that in Gods
own time that will come. We can wait.
am not particularly interested in 1t, but
| know ii has got to come. But would
rather be a Protestant Episcopalian all
my lie with that honored name on our
title.page, knowing that our church was
in esse Catholic, rather than be the
known advocate Of change Of name
from Protestant Episcopal to Catholic,
and a believer that the church itself had
a Roman Catholic creed. (Applause.) .
The resolution was put to a vote by
Diocese and adopted by the following
vote: Clerical. 3S ayes,9 noes, two d.
videdi Lay, 20 ayes, IA noes, four d.
vided.