Morning journal and courier., 1889-11-08
THE CRoNIN TRuAr
EK-Poliee Captain Schaack,s Testim,
ny Regarding His Conversation Wit
Patrick 0sSulIlvan.

Ex-Police Captain schaack,s Testimo
ny Regarding His Conversation Will
Patrick O'Sullivan..
CHICAGO, Nov. 7.-Corener Hertz, the frs
witness called to the stand in the Croni,
trial this morning, testified that he held az
inquest on the body Of DR.. Cronin in June
last. He recognized the trunk in court a.
being the one which was brought to his Office
at the time of the inquest. William Nertes,
the milkmsn, identified Kunzs and Coughlin
as the men who drove the buggy up to the
Carlson cottage on the night of May 4.
Ex-Police Captain Michael J.schaack testi-
fed as follows in regard to q conversation
which he held with Patrick O'sullivan on
May 49, .
asked him how long he had known DR..
Cronin. He said he had known him for six
or seven years. I asked him where he made
his acquaintance. he told me then at Cooks
Hall, No. 6O1-3 Lincoln avenue. He also
said that that was the first time that he
spoke to the Doctor. There was q meeting
held at Cooks hall by the Washington Lit
erary club, known as the Irish-National
Brotherhood.
Q.-At what time did he say he made his
acquaintance to speak to him?
A.-That was about two weeks before the
spring election. That would bring 1t the lat
ter part Of last month.
Sullivan said that there were twelve or fif-
teen persons present at that meeting, but he
would not tell me their names. He also said
that the meeting was held for the benefit of
the poor in Ireland. I told him then if that
was all, and 1t was as harmless as that, then
l wanted to know the names of the people
present at the meeting, and he said then that
he had taken an oath not to tell any member
who belong to that society. told him then
that it must be q damnable society if he dare
not give away the men that belonged to it.
Mr.. Wing-I object and move to exclude
the testimony.
consider that at all in any respect relating to
this case.
!. Q-What did he replys
Ale told me to give him time to think
it over; that he would see somebody else first
before he would tell. The witness then went
over the old story as told him by O'Sullivan
of the contrast with Crenin about attending
O'Sullivan's ice men.
Captain Setback continued that at this
same interview O'Sullivan admitted, after
some hesitation, that Coughlin telephoned to
him in April, but said it was about getting
ice. He at first denied he had telephened to
Coughlin, but subsequently admitted that he
had talked to Coughlin about Kunze. The
witness identified the trunk as one seen by
him at the Lake View station. The witness
then said that in his testimony as to his talk
with Sullivan he had forgotten something,
and he proceeded as follows:
1 asked him where he was on the 4th day
of May, and he said he was on the lee wagon
all day. asked him what time he came
home in the evening. He said about Z or
half-past o'clock, and he said then that he
had his supper and went to bed about or
half-past o'clock, and about 9 or half-past
O'Clock some of the men came home and he
got up to let them in, and then went back to
bed again. asked him if he was positive
he was not away from home that night. He
said that he was positive he was not; that he
was in the house all the evening. After he
was in Jail here about a day or 30 he sent for
me. I came down to see him, and he told me
then that he had forgotten to tell me that he
was out of the house that night. He was in
the rear of the sheds, but no further.
The next witness was George w. Hubbard,
chief of police Of the city of Chicago. He
testified to taking possession of the bloody
trunk as soon as the coroner had exhibited 1t
to the jury, and that he had put 1t in charge
Of the custodian Of property. Subsequently
it was taken before the grand jury and ana
lytical chemists representing the State were
allowed to take specimens of the cotton and
identified tho trunk, the pail and the lock
and key. He also identified Burke as the
man brought from Winnipeg under his super
vision. Acting Captain Herman Sohuettler Of
the police followed Hubbard. His testimony
trenchsd On no new ground, being confined
to a narration of his visits to the Carlson
| cottage. The examination brought out
tho fact that the officer has in his pos
session sections of the floors OF the bed room
| and hall of the Carlson cottage, bearing foot.
prints in paint, the paint being identical
with that put on the floor of the front room
to conceal the Cronin blood stains. Schuet-
tier also said he had blind of the cottage
| on which were fnger-smears Of the same
paint. He was being CROSS examined whom
| the court adjourned 49,.