Deseret evening news. [volume] (Great Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1867-1920, 1889-11-22

I To Baskin-The ceremonies of the
+ Endowment are always substan.
c tally the same; the same idea may
be expressed in slightly differing
D language, but the aim is to be uni
a form. In the Church there Is an ac-
I cepted theory that as the States
: where the Saints were murdered
. had not brought the ftiufdefers to
l Justice, the nation was responsible.
The word nation, or government, or
: United States is not used in the En-
dowment ceremonies. The theory
have referred TO is not taught in
The Endowment House. Some say
the nation is referred to, but don't.
To LeGrand YOung-The govern.
ment is not referred to in an official
way In the Endowment House. /
DO not remember tile government
being referred TO at all. / state il
as fairly as | can. / would be glad
not 10 have stated it. If the gov
eminent had been mentioned, Think
| would have rem embered lids
tinctly. / DO not remember ever
having heard the name OF the gov
eTnment being mentioned. In fact,
know il i not in the oath; The |
ritual Of tie oath will not allow the |
use OF the word government, or re-
ference 10 il. | was here in 1855,
1856 and 1857. The theory Of the |
! government being responsible
/ .0r the blood Of the Saints
was referred 10 during the
excitement Of those years. /
remember the season when the
crops were cut of by the grass
hoppers, and it was almost impos.
sible 10 obtain food. The reforina-
ton followed thai period. The
I army came in 1857 and ISIS. The
sermons relating 10 the government
were mainly preached at that time,
out there were teachings Of that
natute from the first. The general
acceptaUOn was that the govern
ment was our enemy. / have many
times heard teachings that were re-
pugnant 10 my feelings. The idea
was that the government had al
lowed the Saints to be murdered and
driven out There WIS spiri. of )
srumtling ABOUT these things. No
where In the teachings Of the Nor
mon leaders, or in their ceremonies,
are the people taught to he loyal to
the government.
LeGrand Young Are they ever
taught 20 be disloyal? Can you find
a solitary instance, in all the history
Of the Church
I4awrenee-MOst of the churches
teach loyalty. must explain. In :
1917 there was a Mormon battalion. :
| suppose that it went in response
TO a reIuisitiOn from the govern 4
menL | have heard the govern !
ment denounced.
The court reminded Mr.. Law
renee that he should answer the +
questions, and cease giving his :
views.
Lawrence, continuing-In 1877,
At the frontier, the people thought =
the government had called on them =
for 500 men TO cripple them. If the
government had done 50. it was =,
most cs1,el. Il was represented that q
the government called the 800 men :
out OF spite. / afterwards found out Il
that the Battalion WIS aShe! Tor on
The solicitation Of agents Of this ~
Church, and Jesse G. Little was =
one OF them. Instead Of the truth Ii
being told il was said that il was -,
done TO cripple them in the face Of q,
the lndiahs. y
Mr.. Lawrence. got very excited IL
during this, 81 excited, IL. fact, that
he could not keep quiet while the &c
attorneys called attention to the W
fact that the question was not re- "
spond,d TO. 81
The court again told Mr.. Law !.
renee to answer the questions di- Z"
rectly. 20
Tic question was dgain asked III
Have you ever, in any case, or ID
Inier any circumstances, heard the "a
people taught hostility or disloyalty W
o the government
Lawrence-Theg general teachings
we're 20 prejudice the people against te
he government. This was all the a
way from 1852 20 1855. This talk sa
vas by Brigham Young, Heber c. In
George 4. Smith and co
,thers. They said The government Il
l3d allowed the Saints to be Iii
,rivSn, and had failed TO give them
he rights That belonged TO Them rs
american citizens. te,
lie Grand Noung-Did they teach In
.islOyalty to the government? al
Llwrencc-Not in those words. m,
They did teach that this was the mn
Est government. They taught III,
hat the trainers Of the Constitution m.
,cre inspired. VS.
C0urt-Ihe witness Will omit CT
nything except direct answers TO So,
he questions. WI
Dickson came to the defense Of Nh,
us witness. al
C0urt-if he answers it must be M,
ircct, and il thereare qualifications wa
e mas give them. an
Lawrence began arguing with the m,
curt, saying there were pretty bel
-eCries with the "MOrmOn"C Church | al
ut the Practice was different. wv
The court directed him 10 answer wa
he questions Of counsel. al
Lawrence, 10 IcGrand Young fla
While Col. SleptOe was here, It was IN
ossible The teachings were not so %
add, The presence ~ the army Tc
I'D az effect, / think. / don't re- tel
lember that it had. There was n wi
rOpOsition to make Col. SteptOe 90
overnor, and it was desired 10 me
lake a favorable impression on ser
i'm. Before he went away he en- | 4
ofsgd Brigham Young for ms
as Governor. ! 4
ave heard that such n wa
lper was signed. | did not hear ino
i'm asked to sign it, nor DO | know IN
nat he was asked 10 signit. 1t was mi
gued. in
LeGrand Young That Is the an,
rst time have had direct re- Tn
louse. Ard J move that all the ola
eai5ay about this be stricken out. Ph
Court-Let it be stricken out. we
LAWRENCE cannot say but that no
olonel Steptoe prepared and signed i
nat paper Of his own free choice, ne,
nj on his own volitio1. mr.
To the court, Mr.. Lawrence said 4
have heard sermons or how the her
eopie should act toward the gov an,
The spirit and pUr- 4
1rt were TO prejudice the people Gro
sainst the government. There obi
as nothing said Of duty to Or
re government. The teachings Ii,
ere to be true 10 the Priesthood. mrs
he feeling Of the people, had II not an
sen Tor the teachings, would have I
sen friendly. When the army mo
me, the feeling was not friendly. Of
.ncc l left the Church, the feeling a.,
the people has been one Of friend
ness. / believe the Mormon people
ant to be friendly 10 the govern an
ent. But they are taught that car
Ieir first duty is to the Church. ties
Court-What has BEEN the feeling at
or hostile. Is there n We:
cling OF willingness TO obey the cor
VS. Of the United states, or is the wa
cling one Of antagOnism? WI
I.awrence--If they felt they were wo
ee from the Church, they would Of
Se to be friendly. la
DicksOn-The "AioTmons'' rs a vii
ass, think the government is I'M tn
iendly TO them, do they not? naI
Lawrence DO NOT want 10 be par