, 1889-08-08
AFTERNOON SESSION.
The Confederation of Municipal II
debtedness Resumed.

Mr.. Dyer moved to 60 into committee
of the whole on municipal Indebtedness.
| So voted.
Mr.. Dyer resumed the chair and the
consideration of section was resumed.
Mr.. Browne said that several gentle
men to his certain knowledge wished to
| speak on this subject, who would doubt
less be in shortly, and his only purpose
was to occupy moment until they
came. lie proposed to close the debate
later.
Mr.. Manly briefly expressed his opp o.
sition to the majority report.
Mr.. Turner had listened with great
interest to the pleas which the gentlemen
from WallaWalla had made, and believed
there was much in their condition which
get his own consent to vote for such Il
measure as this which was
VICIOUS IN PRINCIPLE,
in order to relieve local tronble. The
straining of law to meet hard case al
ways made bad .precidents. Home rule
was not involved in this question.
Mr. Jones said his feelings were with
the Walla Walla people, but he must
vote against the principle of allowing
property to be taken for private uses.
Mr.. Reed was astonished at the ground
taken on the question of the principle
involved here. This was not matter
of taking private property for private
much as the builing of sewers or water
works, and he favored allowing these
municipalities to create such debts, un-
der the restrictions provided by this Sec
tion.
Mr.. Power offered an amendment to
insert the words "for the construction
and operation of a competing railroad" !"
Mr.. Comegys raised point of order
that at this point such an amendment
was not in order, and briefly argued the
point with the chair, but he did not con-
vince the chair, and Mr.. Power pro-
ceeded.
Mr.. Weir thought the effect of this
amendment would be to require two
thirds vote on the railroad proposition,
but not on anything else.
Mr.. Crowley said it was simply a
question which system was TO be
adopted--to
ALLOW OR NOT To ALLOW
these counties this privilege.
Mr.. Warner opposed the taking of any
mans property without his consent, ex-
cept in cases of right of eminent domain
and of taxation for the support of the
government, of which he is part,
in neither of, whibh classes of
discussion be placed. This was propo:
sition to give something to a railroad
company for its own private use and
gain. At Mr.. Brownies request Mr..
Power withdrew his amendment so as
to leave the convention 10 a square vote
on the original proposition. Mr.. Blalock
wondered why, If this was such vicious
proposition, ii should have come to have
place in so many of the constitutions
of other states. There were sixteen of
these states that had bad this PROPOSE
tion in their constitution for years.
Some of them without any restrictions
whatever. This committee had not gone
yar tbia ht,t haH lirpitpH thn
granted to counties. We ought not TO
say that all wisdom Is in this conven-
ton, or to tie up these counties so that
they never can act,
Mr.. stiles moved to amend by insert
ing these words: "Unless the purpose to
be subseryed by such donation or loan
be public in its nature" and hoped that
the opponents of this measure would
not vote against this amendment. Then
the courts would say whether the pur-
pose of the donation was private or
public.
Mr.. Browne claimed that this was
not in order, because the convention
ought now only to decide whether or not
it favored subsidies.
MIR. Dunbar said it was clearly in
order, beause the question before the
house was on the adoption of u certain
section, and so it was open to amend
ment.
tion on Stiles amendment was put and
it failed by vote of ayes 27, noes "a.
Mr.. Lillis favored the majority re-
port.
Mr.. Browne closed the debate in op-
position to the majority report and in
opposition to all railroad subsidies. Pri-
vate gain and public necessity were two
VERY DISTINCT MATTERS,
and a public school and a railroad were
not to be compared together when talk.
ing about appropriating the money of
the people. Under no consideration
would he be willing to endorse any prop.
Osition that allowed q majority to take
the property of Il minority to enrich pri-
vate interest, and this proposition he
argued and supported in u speech OF
three-quarters of an hours duration.
The majority report was then rejected
by ayes ~, noes AZ.
The minority report was then taken
up, which strictly prohibits the giving
or loaning OF its credit to or the owning
of stock in any corporation or associa-
tion by any county, city or municipal
corporation.
Mr.. Stiles moved to insert the words
"except for the necessary support of the
poor.h Lost. The minority report was
adopted.
On motion of Mr.. Moore the commit
tee rose to report. The president re-
Sumed the Cndlr.
Mr.. Dyer reported the article on muni-
cipal indebtedness, recommending that
the convention concur in the amend
ments made by the committee Of the
whole and adopt the article.
The question was put on all the
amendments togetaer, after they were
read by the clerk,
Mr.. Dunbar asked for the ayes and
noes on each amendment separately, but
Withdrew that request except as to sec
section 6 were adopted by viva voce
vote.
In section 6, where the committee of
the whole amended it by raising the
limit of city, county or other principal
indebtedness from 1 to ~ per cent of
the assessed valuation, j. NJ. Reed called
for the ayes and noes on concurring in
that amendment. Granted, and the
convention concurred by vote OF ayes
81, snoes %, and later on all the other
amendments in that section by viva
voce vote.
Mr.. Dunbars call for the ayes and
noes on the adoption of section z as re-
commended by the minority report
was granted and the amendment
lowing M Vote: Ayes Allen Berry,
Browne, Buchanan, Clothier, Coey, CO.
megys, Cosgrove, Dallam, Dickey, Dyer,
Eldredge, Fairweather, Glascock, God
man, Gray, Griffitts, Hicks, Hungate,
Jetis, Jones, Kellogg, Kinnear, Lindsey,
MANLY, McCroskey, Mcdonald, McElroy,
McReavy, Miner, Miles, Moore H.. s.,
Moore ]. z. Morgans, Newton, Reed J.
NJ, Schavley,. Stevenson, Sudksdorf,