The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1889-11-19

prcted it according to his nature. We
claimed to receive revelations at the time
of our communication. An article which
l wrote on spiritual gifts was brought up
as evidence of our being wrong Communl-
cations with the dead, which we considered
true, were called false doctrine. Brigham
Young charged me in public with receiving
spiritual communications. This was before
our accommodation. His charge was
true. | don't think our spiritualistic com
munications were not antagOnlStic to the
doctrines of the church. We claimed that
the church was right, but that Brigham
| Young was arrogating that which did not
belong to him. 1 understand that the
church does not now approve the claim
made by him. L think that no other man
claimed it but him.
To P. L. Williams think the tendency
of the church is to the view we took.
When we were communicated we were
denounced publicly as apostates.
To Mr.. Moyle-It has always been my
understanding that the church, except this
claim OF Brigham Young, did not control in
temporsl affairs. l know nothing to the
contrary except under Brigham Young. l
believe his views in regard to temporal
affairs We're not endorsed by tho people.
To Baskin-I was tried before the high
| council of the Salt Lake stake, presided
over by George q. Wallace. The whole
Young.
To Moyle-I understand that i was held
in great Gisfavor by the majority, but had
no knowledge that they sustained Brigham
Young's claim. We organized a movement
that might have antagonized the Mormons
tOus.
To the Court-The names of Joseph and
Hyrum Smith were not mentioned in the
Endowment house, but l understood they
were included among the prophets. Brig
ham Young gave no reason for opposing
the opening OF the mines We surmIsed
that he did not want people opposed to the
Mormons brought in here. From 1861 to
1869 the people felt that the United States
had injured the people, and had prosecuted
them. l remember of a charge that the
court records were burned, but that was
not after / came here. The feeling have
referred to was general. 1t was considered
that the officers of the United States who
were here did not have good feelings to-
wards the MormonS. Some of this feeling
related to polygamy. The idea of the peo
pie was that the government officers did
not do them justice. The people thought
the government was wrong in opposing
plural marriage. Some Individuals were
very bitter against the representatives of
the government in Utah. They held the
idea that these representatives were hos
tile to the people.
To Baskin-The people regarded all
efforts to oppose polygamy as an act of
hostility.
To the Court When the act of 1862 was
passed, Brigham Young did not command
all the male members of the church to
enter polygamy. They were not advised
as mass to practice it. Those who got
special permission were allowed to do so.
1t was taught that the doctrine was true,
and should be obeyed. Those who desired
to obey it were not required to pay any
money, but TO obtain permission of the
authorities
To P L. Williams-I only met in public
meetings, except prayer circles. L was
never present, on any occasion when it
was proposed to put any one to death.
Never heard a proposition or suggestion to
that effect l made no protest against such
a thing because there was no occasion.
To LeGrand Young-I would have re-
membered such suggestion, but there
never was anything of the kind.
r. w. Young offered in evidence part
of the record of the house OF representa-
tives, the portion being the deposition of
Eli B. Kelsey before the house committee,
where testimony was given that Liberal
meeting was prevented by Mormons filling
the hall, where some damage was done,
and that next day President Young clerk
Thomas w. Ellerbeck, went to the Tribune
and offered to pay it. In the affidavit Eli
b. Kelsey states that there is no obligation
taken in the Endowment house that par
takes in any way Of disloyalty. He also
states that there is nothing that interferes
with the duties of citizenship, and that the
people believe in and assume allegiance to
the kingdom of God yet to come.
GEORGE wARDELL
am the son Of Martin D. War
dell. He is in the court room. 1 came
with him, in 1862, in Captain Danes com
pany. l am not a member of any church.
Do not believe in Mormonism. Remember
crossing Green river. There was no man
killed in our train Father crossed the
plains only once If there had been man
named Green killed would have known it.
l heard of nothing of the kind. did not
drive Green's wagon, nor heard of it.
only drove my fathers wagon. The
church gave US the wagon at Florence,
Nebraska, for US to come in, and l left the
wagon in the tithing Office. Never heard
father relate this story before. We came
through late in the fall of 1862. Do not
remember Billy Williams or George
Snyder. No man from our camp was
killed. Never heard of any man being
killed on the trip across the plains.
To Mr.. Dickson-I was sixteen years old.
1nere was uOre Iudn OnS HuuuFeu peOplo
in the train. There were about thirty
families. We started from Florence near
Omaha Dane was in charge Mark Sur
ridge, Sargent, Dame and our own family |
are about all l can remember. 1 never |
heard of man named Green there. A man
of that name might have disappeared with |
out my knowing it. Father had no team of
his own, but had one from the church.
drove it, and he did nothing except that he |
,i,n1-
was loaded with glass. l followed other |
wagons into the Tithing yard. Our family |
were Mormons then. l left the church |
three years ago. / was not cut off, but |
auit the business. l work for myself in |
the CANON.
To Moyle-A murder might have been |
in the train without my knowl- |
edge, but don't think it possible.
To Dickson-Mr. Malin first spoke to me |
about this and told him / knew of none. |
asked him for my expenses. He told me |
would get my witness fees. have had my !
but left the garments off |
about three years ago.
BERGEN DE MOTT.
reside at North Point 1 know Char
les Gillmor. His reputation for truth and |
in the neighborhood where he re-
sided is bad.
To Dickson he said he was no friend of
and had had trouble with him.
Gillmor had trouble with lots Of people
out there He had accused me of njuring
MS stock, but when the case came to trial
ne was knocked out. l have no hostility
against him because he may have de-
the church doctrines. l never
heard anyone in the neighborhood where
be lives say good word for him. never |
xnew of him committing any offense !
against the law-that could testify to.
To LeGrand Young-Gillmor had me ar
rested for malicious mischief and tho jury
returned verdict of not guilty.