The Seattle post-intelligencer. [volume] (Seattle, Wash. Terr. [Wash.]) 1888-1914, 1889-08-14

n4ae- Again. do1hs whether hi,
proposed harsar hne can operafe
Mach of the SPACE that wi. - in
etuxfest n sssese s.res il nsv4yShie
y afrh The state can never sirbtfssliy
shut oa. Let rs look ont thar ~
saoxa E~t c~s ssrneshinr in here tia
VIII he unconstitutional
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Proposition vii he 10 reserve forvye-
arge psrf az the tide fats 10 the
state. These lands are said to h
soFfa SRnNoH Are we 20 give
them 10 the municipalities Of this ssr,
rifaFy without compensation II is {
prooaern OF re-v dcutstful expexaiency
fo vest this ali IN the cities. La Tsconss
private individuals and corporations
have made improvements 10 the ex-
feat OF 5000 oa, and in the next iiys
wears x0a.1a more viii he su~ns
bat IL VIII not he ii the eonsrol III thu
water fronts is taken Erona their hands.
a QUESTION ot rorscY.
fnrner-Ne are now determining
Haetaer o. not il IS good policy TO re.
serve these fronts TO the city. This
PROPOSE stsor does rot vest IN cities the
duty at building harv~s. Ii io~sn',
say that private individuals cannot
under proper conditions make i'm
frovenaenis there liz may he ssen,v.
tive or Fifty years before the state
wants 10 embark In wharf building.
The orly condition here il that priv.
ate individuals shall eonse 70 the STATE
and get permission To build their owr.
n. al -
Eharves and regulate charges Fur
taer. this doesn prevent navigation.
III II is desired TO cut = channel any,
where inside il can he done Then a.
10 the irregular iinc, il won't be always
necessary To follow 2a-foof depth.
The commission which establishes
this can establish symmetrical line,
al minimum depth Of twenfy-four
feet. This line will not place wharyes
out 20 far rs 70 be an inconvenience 70
commerce. The further out the state
places the rim The greater property
II VII refsin inside this rim. and il
VII enable the state TO relieve the
people from great part of their taxa
taon- Ii the stale preserves this tract
II VIII ultimately own the most yalu-
able portion of any city. When il sees
1T 10 sell this reserve il will derive au
In uienSe income. The objection that
the state cannot impeie navigation
Inside this rim Is not q correct legal
proposition. The supreme court OF
the United States in the great case of
Poslarei's iesses versus Hagen declared
that the control OF these lands and
these waters was in the state. so far as
II does net interfere with practical
navigation. IL they give vessels prac-
teal methods OF getting To these cities
they are not absolutely navigation.
The state has the power 10 establish
the hsrisof line.
WHAT ABeyT RIVER MOTHS?
NeElroy--i have been always in ia
vor OF establishing an outside harbor
line. and think there il some force
IN the arguments of Mr.. Stiles. When
the tide Is at its ebb. there is not a
river that enpties into Puget Sound
that Is not impossible at low tide. Ii
might be that If this convention
should establish this line across the
mouths OF these rivers. it would be
To get in the rivers. Don't
establish an arbitrary line, but
leave the matter in the hands of the
co~mission.
Turner-W What Is i'm this section th.s
prevents the state from leaving from
leaving an opening at these rivers7
Nc AeEiroy-The line runs across the
moaths.
Tnrner-But ii doesn't state that
tie wharyes shall run across the river
NOT ONE HUSuREpTH PART.
purie-The mere reservation of bar
Dor fronts across the mouths of rivers
viii not be further obstruction To the
mouths Of The rivers than there is
now. As to Mr.. suilivan's objection
that this reservation will take nearly
all the tide fats, knox that in Elliott
bay not one handreath part of the
flats would he taken; nor would IL
take any more in commencement
bay. The value of the remainder OF
the lands viii be greatly enhanced.
The cities will be of course allowed TO
extend their streets over these re-
serves. Further, the city needn't
construct its own wharyes.
Section provides that these wharyes
may he leased. This j. what will he
done for years to come. Then il will
regulate the wharf charges of the
licensees. Why are not cities the best
Judges of their own afiairsg Why
shouldn't this control be lett in their
hands The cities will be able to es-
tabiish minimum prices and be able
10 offer competitive Inducements TO
shippers, and stimulate commerce
that could never otherwise be given.
sSriisltts-It strikes me that the crit.
ici-m made hy MeSsrs. Stiles and Cos
grsye are substantial objections 10 the
section as il stands. n looks unwise
to put limit upon the power of the
commissioners. So far a. this amend
nent is concerned. let us confine the
DEBATE 10 trying to establish q harbor
line. The commissioners should be
confined only to minimum limit.
Dyer-lt Is fact that in all the
large cities Of the East, the most val
uable part oi the cities Is on the water
front. | think the cities shoaid con
troll the hsrhor rim. by permission of
the state, which can resume control
when it desires. There il nothing ia
this article 10 prevent the navigation
Of streams from bays. | Ana opposed
To the state at any time selling this
water frontage. IL should be held for
the people, all OF whom are interested
ia the growth and welfare of the cities
on the 1oand. Let the cities Of the
sound be able 20 invite the cor nserce
Of the world To their waters.
TO THE INTEREST OF THE srArr.
There can he here no ob-
lection TO this proposition that this
river or line he reserved by tue state
for the uses Of the state. This stands
out separate from the tide land ques-
tiea. Ii don't make any difference il
the towns are carried down on the
water front. about which objection
has bsen made. Let il go there.
That's = here commerce, and maaufsc-
tories ~ill go 10 il they can. Just in
proportion as these cities advance, so
xigi the interests Of the whole country
be advanced There i nothing ia the
~ay OF the adoption of this PROPOSE
tioa
TOO xrgR Fowga GRkxTgp.
0odnsn-it looks TO me a. though
the disposition OF these lands Is placed
toe largely in the hands OF this eon-
mission.
Turusr-It i very easy to pick faEs
IN any proposition. This commission
Is not established by this constitution.
The matter u in the hands OF the leg
islature, which II expected 70 place
proper restrictions upon the commits,
sion. Ii Is intended that she com mis-
ssoners shall he the agent. Of the state
and that they viii do their best 70 pre-
serve the Interests Of the state
Godman-If this Is 10 h~ left 10 q
commission what Is the object Ia lin.
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