, 1889-08-22

! a''i ''Fh bAFHo w IoiloNb
to the iesislature, providing, however
that whenever the legislature shall All.
thorize such sales the provisions of this
section snail hc complied with. He
opposed directing the legislature to sell
these lands but was willing TO let them
sell in their discretion, and provide that
wncn they do sell, these people who have
made improvements IN good .sltl shall
nave this measure of protection. To
leave this section as IL now stands would
stop advancement oCstatc aud ehectually
discourage shore improvements for an
indefinite time.
Turner was not IN favor of either of
these propositions, but ii he muscchousO
between them hc would chuo.e
tho one reported by the cOmnittc, chiefly
because that one Contaiu8 the clause IT,
serving in pCrpctuity the hurbOr rim
which was significantly absent from
Stiles substitute.
McElroy opposed both substitute and
the original section, because neither
proposed to tokc into account any i'm
proycmcnts made by persons other than
| Tls leaves ont the Oregon Improve
ment Company, the Stctson Min, the
Mechanics Foundry, the Marine Rail-
way and others at Seattle, all of which
were put there by men who did not own
any of tho shore, and this section might
he construed as ConHscating all these I'M
provomcnts.
HE WOULD NEVER CONSENT
TO such course nor vote for this bill If
these people were not recognized, and he
described the efforts of Governor StetsOn
of Maine to establish mill on Elliot
bay.
Moore would like to ask the gentleman
what lac wants tni7 convention tp do Tor
Governor Stclson of the state of Maine.
Mclalroy-lrcatcd himjust the same as
you would the owners Of the abutting
shares.
Moore-.I would like to ask the gentle
man from Whlicor (Eldredge) II he has
mile on the shore of the Dillingham;
Bay and Is interested in this question
The chair--Not q proper question.
Eldredge-l will answer the gentle
. man.
The Char-.The question is ruled out
of order.
Moore-l think the question ought to
be answered.
The Chair-The chair has ruled that it
is
NOT ROPER QUESTION.
Mooie--I think the question ought to
be put.
The Chair Rappingl-The chair has
ruled upon that question, sir. You will
proceed In order ii at all.
Moorc--Thdnk you. think the ques-
tion ought to bc answered.
Tho Chair crop, rap. )--You will pro-
Cccd in order sir.
Moore am proceeding in order as
understand it.
The Chair-The chair has ruled that
you are not.
Moore-l will leave Il to the house
The Chair-That is not the question.
You can appeal from the chairs ruling If
I YOU choose.
Moore-.I do appeal.
ChUir-rhe question il, shall the chair
be sustained in ruling that the question
asked 10y the gentleman is not proper
question in parliamentary sense?
The convention sustained the chair.
Moore said this was an illustration OF
what lac had been claiming all along
tina, the convention was being asked 10
do something
~ THE DARK,
and information was actually refused
Here was Il gentleman, a man who aCtu-
ally owns mill on the tide lands, and
sitting lSrc and voting on this question,
and the convention sits down on me
when | simply ask question
to bring out that fact to the convention.
1t would be proper question before u
legislative investigating committee, ana
IL II isn't proper question here, tnen IL
isn't proper subject for us TO act upon
here, We should not be asked so boldly
to lcgislatc for special people and special
interests.
Wcir said this section had been drawn
to avoid recognizing the pretended
claims of mere tide iiat jumpers.
kinncar said the state ought to have
every dollar that belonged To it out of
these lands, and lie believed the squat
ter on tide lands who had actually
made valuable improvements was en-
tffigl 10 oil. j,
as the abutting owner.
J. NJ. Rood moved the previous qucs-
/ tion--ayes 80, noes l9--aCcordingly the
question was put on stiles substitute,
and, by roll call Of ayes 3d. noes -, il
was adopted.
Kinnear proposed to amend this last
substitute BY adding, land also persons
occupying tide lands who have, In go"d
faith, made valuable improvements
I thereon
Dunbar had discovered
\ DEADLY CONFLICT
between the tide fiat men and the abul.
/ ting owners, which he didn't believe
could be settled here, 80 he should vote
against all these propositions.
STILES EXPLAINED
| that where there was an express dircC-
tion to the legislature TO sell such Iescr-
VHtion IL was necessary, but where the
q
only permitted TO use its discretion, he
took Il for grained that il would regard
tho prohibition in the harbor article,
which says thar none of the harbor rim
shall ever he sold. If IL was deemed nee
essary TO tack the same prohibition on
he was willing to put 1t in as often as
any one wanted.
Eldredgc favored stiles substitute for
the reason that the improvements recog-
nl2Cd by the coinmittCc'S report were
only such as were made before February,
1889, and the effect of that would be To
stop all further public improvements in
future, while the legislature was de-
libcrating about selling
Comcgys favored Stiles subititutc for
much the same reason.
Cosgrove moved the previous ques-
ton.
Jameson moved a call of the house.
Lost.
The previous question was ordered by
ayes 81, noes ~, and accordingly Kin
nears amendment was subjected To
roll call, and failed.
Browne offered a long substitute for
the whole article cnuodying his views
Oh this subject as expressed by him in
previous debates.
Jameson moved the previous ques-
tion and IL was ordered.
Browne called for ayes and noes and
failure for his proposition-ayes q,
noes AZ
Power moved the previous question OH
proceeding to Il third reading.
The chair asked If there were any
more amendments.
Goldman moved to strike out Sec
tion 2.