New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1889-10-06
putting In the far future any scheme which Is TO
bind all OF Western Chrisiend0m together.
SPEAKER FROM MISSOURI.
The Rev. DIR. r. a. Holland, Of Missouri, said

SPEAKER FROM MISSOURI.
The Rev. Dr. r. A. Holland, of Missouri, said
substantially: ,<>
do not think i competent for US win an
our brains and erudon 70 discuss and decide IN, ne
nor iSs patience The Nioene creed is the creed Of
this Church. i Is sShSTzs ID ne rnr Ssla church
western church which cannot be por, an-
%s should no. undertake. comm coming together
many OF US, once in lifetime, to settle aresh io
p G SV the Wisdom Of The ages formulated
in councils representing the long meassnoc c oi "s
highest S culture we OF tSs has already enacted This
measure, II cannot be unbecoming ID US 10 say M
Bishops Of the Western Church have done before them
THE REV. MR.. CHRISTIANS EFFORT.
The Rev George NJ Christian, Of Newark. made
\ speech which was on all sides acknowledged to be
the most notable address Of this debate 1t was ful
Of deem leaning good logic and wit 1t cannot 20
here reproduced in fun but the following report
sketches Il In some detail:
There are two classes opposed to the passing OF
men TO say against their VIII even hve tnes year
the sO.called Noene oreed That class will consist Isl
lieve that creed The reverend deputy from new tIS
York believes it. but he going 10 oppose to penT
no question about his position regarding his belief IN
Ee have heard the learned deputy from Chicago, who
fortunately is not clerical raughter say that he
said the words from the SON ...,... -,
Nothing struck more al the opening services S %
this convention than the saying OF the Greco OF h
Catholic Church. 1t IS true there was one al h H
silent, and presume from what have heafu lonaS
no great dimInution in the mighty sound IL nc
Nlcene creed is the Roman Catholic Greco, 'neh ts
Protestsns in it daughter who have put themselves
on record lapraqse anu ,ssdiie boav Far from IT..
In the Same breath the lay deputy from Chicago
tells us that this Is Roman Catn9o g, e Teee ne 'es
$50 That Ia old date for Roman Catholicism ,,n IN
spain am no, willing to allow Roman GSnP hn sS e
to England. The Nicene creed was never known to
70 UYsr under the snahema Of the Church not so
bad might be- but s i is very cr bad t ~ r.
the Prayer Book the other day that all anathe-
mstred by decree OF the General Council Of tne
ended with the sentence believe in the Holy Ghost
There not anything said about procession , from
the Macedonian heresy followed the creed Of Mecca
lates further explanations about the Holy Ghost
MINUTES OF AN ANCIENT MEETING.
When the Fathers assembled at Ephesus, at the time
when the lay deputy from Chicago says they pro
nounced this anathema, shall quote as 10 what was
resolved from the actual record Of their proceedings
"These things having been read the synod Is de
Or TO write or compose any other creed besides shs
settled BY the Holy a rshsr
not reference 10 it," But those who shall dare 70
ssS1ps or ANY erg sSa ifS' PRESIDENT
dangerous la they shall o. sna' thew Sepsr
rom the creed Of Mecca Then the General Gouncli
Of Copstantinople stands anathematEea; SUP sup
pose the learned gentleman from Chicago, ne
omitted The fIioque' took up the creed again when
it said believe one baptism for the remission Sn
ic elp
Ncea. therefore, II we believe in one baptism for
The REMISSION of sins, we stand ansthema' I,s,
tSe es sinA TT the d6q1cS in the Nicene I'm
The course Of the debate shows that IL we 40 t not
Church does not believe the Nicene creed We talk
great deal about changing the name OF nls ShuIch'
and believe that in Gods own ue nt s in r.
but know II has got TO come. But ! woula rather
be Protestant Episcopsan all my life Win tn mat
Church was IN Catholic rah her than be the known
advocate Of change Of name from Protestant EPsc3
had Roman Catholic creed (ApplaueD
The debate was protracted until l O'Clock, the
hour for adjournment had arrived. The Rev. G, W,
Dumbel of Tennessee said in his speech that he fell
most kecnly that this debate going forth TO the world
would produce the impression indicated by Mr. Chris
tan namely would cause II 10 be thought that the
Church doubted the Nieene creed.' MI, .
sisted R sn se gSs Of i Se @ to Eae the ceno
creed said at least occasionally: A.
bad impression that would he produced on the iaymen
If the resolution not passed as 4 stood. a..
The Rev. Dr. Goodwin Of Pennsylvania opposed the
Stephen P Nash, of NewYork made vigorous
speech IN favor of IT, part Of II being; . do not
think It possible that the clergymen taking part in this
discussion can be conscious OF the eeGt ~
here who do not believe in the Nceuo creed If so,
what right have they expect fidelity on the part of
tho laityl7 Applause1
TAKING THE VOTE AT LAST.
The House, which had for some time manifested
signs Of anxiety to reach division. resolved by
majority vote to proceed to at ten minutes past
o'clock With the difficulties placed by some men,
sefs in the way Of reaching that decision. It was
after that time before the secretary be-
ran to call the roll by dioceses on the
question Of the adoption of Resolution MI. The
result of the voting was clerical dlOceses yeas. 30
nays 0 divided ., Lay doceses. yeas, 20 nays
record as being adopted by concurrent vote Of both
orders by a handsome majority.
A MEMORIAL FROM CoLoRED MEN
The House of Deputies referred the memorial to
the convention, adopted by the Colored Episcopal
Conference which met here week before last to a
srecial committee. 1t was introduced by the Rev
Dr. Harrington and was in part as follows:
Action has been taken in various parts OF the
Church which has either already deprived eol9r s,
virtue OF their Apostolic ordination which is likely
TO result In such deprivation - =, a.. ,,...a, ,
What is fhe position of c0lOied men In the Church /!
Is II Ia accordance with the real doctrines taught
by the Church that when men have once been al
mittsd 10 the Sacred Ministry or Communion In ~?
~ rh any res lricton should be made IN the spiritual
or legislative rights of cOlored man which would not
he made In those of a white man 7 Does the action
watch has recently been taken in two doceses IN The
Church represent the true spirit of the Church
va ash The General Convention of the Churh 10
give an emphatic and unequiv0ca answer 10 this Our
earnest and almost deSpairing inquiry.
MESSAGE FROM THE BISHOPS,
The following resolution was received in message
nom the House of Bishops;
Resolved The House of Deputies concurrlng, that
committee consisting of FIVE members of this House,
including the presiding Bishop, with 1--WE clerical
members and Ave lay members of the House OF
Deputies be appointed 10 consider and report 10 the
convection Of 15',2, FIRST whether territorial division
Of the whole Church in the United Stale, and Terri
tnriea inin nrnYinces |. eA madam secnndlY- hA