The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1889-11-24
WAITING FOR THEEND
AFragmentary Scraps of Evidence
introduced Yesterday.
DIR. TALMAGE ON THE STAND.
The Directors Case So Far is Pretty Thin
They Are TO Open and Close the
Argument.

When the examination now going on be-
fore Judge Anderson opened yesterday
morning. w G Van Horne was called, and
gave list of what he said We're the mot
toes on banners carried in the procession
that followed d. H. Wells. l did not sec
the American flag there. Did not see one
in the procession. At the meeting the
speakers were F. D. Richards, d. H Wells
and John Taylor.
Dickson said that Arthur Wild wanted tc
change his testimony to say that when he
said flags were in the procession, he die
not mean American flags.
Van Horn said the speeches were com
mandatory of d. H Wells for preferring tc
go to the penitentiary for contempt rather
than reveal the endowment ceremonies.
Baskin said he had judgment in a
bishops court between parties for a sum
Of money.
RIeGrand Young said that it was doc
Urine of the Mormon church that the mem
bers should settle their difficulties by the
arbitration of bishops courts rather than
go to law. There was no effort or intent
to enforce Judgment. Those who did not
comply were disfellowshiped, and it might
be in extreme cases accommodation.
DIR. JAMES Z. TALMAGE
was called by the defense. He testified
am principal of the Latter-day Saints
college in this city; was formerly member
of the Brigham Young academy in Provo
acted in that capacity four years; attended
school there five years; have studied at the
Lehigh university, PENNSYLVANIA, and the
Johns Hopkins university, Baltimore. In
the Latter-day Saints college we give in
struction in theology the same as in other
branches; our theological classes study the
Bible and other church works: the prinCi-
pies of the New Testament are taught
there; the New Testament is a text book
of daily use, the Book of Mormon and
Doctrine and Covenants are also:
sermons are not referred to. The
constitution of the United States is
taught. We teach that the constitution is
inspired, and of all human documents ap-
prOacheS nearest to perfection; il is taught
that it is the foundation of the government
of the United States and must be revered.
We teach celestial marriage but not plural
marriage. We teach that celestial mar
rage is contract for both time and cter-
nifty, while the civil marriage only binds
people in this life. We teach that marriage
is a religious as well as a civ ntracU.
We never say anything about pU ygamy.
There may have been question asked
about il, but ! recall no instance. The B.
ekY Academy follows the same rule as does
DUR college Both are sustained by volun-
tary donation from members of the church.
1 have been a member of the church for
eighteen years. We teach mans free
agency as a part of our course We teach
that mans free agency is paramount-.hat
it has not been interfered with by the
Creator, and should not be by any power
We teach that mans future depends on
L.. /,
by the exercise Of his own agency,
show his nature and preferences We also
teach that the kingdom of God is to be an
outgrowth of the church of Christ; that it
is not here, but that it will be established,
and that we should pray for It. When it is
established Christ will be its king We
say that 1t will come, as the Bible says,
but the time no man knows, not even the
angels in heaven. We have never taught
anything contrary to the laws of the land
1t is part of our teachings that people
should prepare themselves to be good citi-
zens. The teachings in the B. Y. academy
and in our own college have been approved
by the authorities of the church-that is,
the plan of instruction has.
To Dickson-We teach that celestial mar
riage is distinct from plural marriage The
meaning of plural marriage is expressed,
and the meaning of celestial marriage is
riage may be entered into in the mouogamic
relation; that it is different from from or
binary marriage in that it is available in
eternity. We teach the pupils to obey all
the laws of the United States We men
ton no laws specially. We have not had
any questions upon the laws relating TO
polygamy, that | can recall. We also teach
o4klence to the revelations of God as reli-
Gious duty. We teach that the constitution
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students to obey the laws. We also teach
them that they have the privilege of obey
ing God in their religion. believe in the
revelation on plural marriage. and that if
the constitution had been confOrmed to
there would have been no law against it.
| teach the pupils what ! believe, but not
all that | believe. We also explain that
the revelations DO not require violation of
law. think that the statutes against big
amy are constitutional. l don't think plu-
raj marriage is characterized by the fea-
lures OF bigamy as a crime. | think Con
gress sought to suppress plural marriages,
and l think they overstepped the constitu-
ton. In the school we teach the free
agency of man; we also teach that il is
Proper TO seek counsel from the best
sources. We have not taught that il is
wrong 10 rebel against the priesthood We
h ave Taught that members of the church
should obey the authority of the priest
hood. but they may disObey if they choose.
! think that we should obey the instruc-
tons of the president of the church in
his official capacity in relation to the
church. The subject Of obedience to tue
priesthood is not discussed. | don't teach
anything l do not believe, but l do not
force Oh the pupils all that l do believe.
There are many topics that are not re-
ferred to. In our college the pupils are
from fourteen to thirty years of age. l am
twenty seven years old. In regard to the
kingdom of God do not understand that it
is setup at all. / understand it is the mis-.
sion of this church to prepare for the king
dom of God but to do so that it is not
necessary for them TO exercise tenn
porn authority. l have read the ser
m0nSeOf the leaders of the church, but have
not seen any declarations that the kingdom
of God is set up, without notifications of
those declarations | understand that
when the principles of righteousness taught
by the church shall prevail, then the king
dom will be established. But in the sense
of KINGDOM, it is the teaching that it is
not set up.
To the Court-When Christ comes and
reigns, then the kingdom will be estab-
lisned; it cannot be kingdom yet, because
there is no king.
To Jacksonville president OF the church
is not the representative OF the king in
temporal matters. 1 believe that when
Christ comes He will hold control in tenn
poral matters, and that all men who work
will aid in control-that the
priesthood holds no control in temporal
matters, but in spiritual matters. do not
believe that the priesthood have the right
to control men in all temporal matters.
don't think the president has right to !
dSeect absolutely in all temporal matters !
AZ doctrine to that effect is foreign to my
l never have understood !
that they have Il right to dictate in all |
matters. ] have studied the teachings Of |
the authorities Of the church.