Pittsburg dispatch. [volume] (Pittsburg [Pa.]) 1880-1923, 1889-10-04
QUESTION OF CREED
The Proposed Changes in the Book of
Common Prayer Cause
SOMETHING OF A CONNECTION.
All of the New Measures Are Passed With
One Exception.
THE TRIENNIAL EPISCOPAL MEETING

NEW YORK, October 3.-At the Protest
ant Episcopal Convention, the order of the
day was the consideration of the additions
and alterations to the book of common
prayer adopted at the last general conVen-
ton. A vote was taken on the adoption OF
the first of the Is resolutions approving of
changes. 1t refers to the order of reading
the psaiter and the Holy Scriptures. The
resolution was adopted. The second resolu-
tion relating to a change in the order tor
daily morning prayer was then placed on
its passage and adopted.
When the afternoon session opened Rev. Dr.
Hauckel, of Virginia, moved that the rules
be suspended to permit the handing in of pc
titions for the organization of new dioceses,
so that they might be referred to the Com
mittee on New Dioceses. This was agreed
to, and petitions for the organization of new
dioceses in Southern California, Colorado
and Missouri were handed in. Michigan
asked to have the Peninsula made mis-
sionary diocese.
COMMON PRAYER CHANGES.
The work of voting on the resolutions
proposing changes in the Book of Common
Prayer" was then resumed, after a message
from the house of bishops announcing that
they had taken up the same subject, had
been read. The ninth and tenth resolutions
were adopted, each finding only one clerical
and one lay opponent Resolution two was
adopted unanimously.
Consideration of resolution II was post
poned, and resolution 13 was voted on. 1t
makes additions to the offertory. The vote
on it was: Clerical, 80 ayes, Is noes, 1
divided; lay, 29 ayes, II noes and divided,
and 1t was accordingly adopted. There was
but lay vote opposed to resolution IA, and
resolutions Is, 16, IL and Is were also adopt
ed with unanimity.
Just after the vote on resolution IA was
taken two messages from the House of
Bishops were received. The first announced
that the House of Bishops had adopted con-
ditional on the concurrence of the House of
Deputies the entire IS resolutions upon
which the House of Deputies had been voting
all day, and was still voting.
THE DISPUTED POINT.
Action on all the other resolutions having
been taken, the Twelfth resolution came up
for consideration. DR.. Huntington said
that personally he vas opposed to the reso-
luton, and therefore did not wish to move
its adoption. He suggested that Rev. DR..
Egar, of New York, a member of the COM
mittee who was in favor OF it, make the
motion. This DR.. Egar did. He also
spoke in support of the resolution, which
was taken in the order for the adminlstra-
tion of the Lords Supper for the rubric,
and reads
Substitute the following rubric placing after |
it the creed: Then shall be said the creed CON-
monty called the Nicene or else the Apostles |
creed, but the creed may be omitted if 1t hath |
been said Immediately before in morning |
prayer, provided that the Nicene fcreed shall |
be said on Christmas Day, Easter Day, Ascen- |
Sion Day, Whitsunday and Trinity Sunday.
DR.. sEgar said the Nicene creed formed |
part of the doctrine of the Church, and since |
many priests never read it it should be |
made obligatory. To discard the Nicene |
creed would be, he said, to cutAthemselYes |
of from the Western church.
SOME OPPOSITION.
DR.. Huntington said he firmly believed /
in the Nicene creed, and was personally in /
favor of reading it as part of the communion
service, but the Committee on Llturgical
Revision stood pledged not to introduce any
doctrinal changes, and he looked upon this
as one. He did not think it expedient to
force the reading of the Nicene creed on
those who objected to its reading.
S. Corning Judd, one of the Chicago Law
delegates, spoke at length in opposition to
the resolution. He said the Nicene creed it
presented was not the real Nicene creed, \
but one full of errors of the Roman church.
Ii the convention should adopt it 1900
times over he for one would not recite it.
Mr.. Judd was reminded that he had spoken
over Is minutes, and the President brought
him to a stop. 1t was moved that his time
be extended, and on this division was
called. 1t resulted in Mr.. Judd's favor by
a vote OF 172 to g.
Rev. Arthur Lawrence, of Massachusetts,.
spoke in opposition to the resolution. He
said the recitation of the Nicene creed was
not obligatory in baptism or confirmation,
and he did not think it should be made so
at the communion service.
NOT SETTLED YET.
Rev. DR.. Goodwin also opposed the resolu-
ton, but on different grounds He believes
in the Nicene creed as part of the doctrine
Of the Church, but the Church was already
lax in enforcing its laws as regards belief,
and he thought nothing would be gained by
more laws on the subject. AS it is now
man may believe what he pleases and
profess his disbelief, and yet nothing hap
pens to him.
He did not understand how men who dis
believe In the Nicene creed can now remain
In the ministry, but if the reading of it was
made obligatory such men would read IT.
and he did not believe in laying an ad-
1ltlonal burden on their conscience The
House adjourned with the question still |