New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1889-07-26
MONEY FOR THE ROYALTIES
nrp.rr BEGUN ON THE COMMITTEE RE-
PORT IN THE COMMONS

n.noucHERE URGES HIS AMENDMENT
party LEADERS TAKING sIDEs-A
SHOT AT Mr.. CHAMBERLAIN.
,.naon July 25-The report OF the Parna-
Comrit.ee on Royal Grants, recommend
49, ,ha, the sum Of 5000 pounds be added 70
ing allowance of the Prince of Wales
"a r,a;pmining the right OF the Q1eeh 10 ASK
~ ns-,,ar,on, 70 make further provisions for her
's.hnar.n was called up in the House Oh
Commons this afternoon.
w II Smith the Government leader, was queS-
.sonsa az 10 the amount of the Queens savings.
,,o d.c,ined to answer the question, ana noNeu
~. tbe report of the committee be adopteo' ho
.on,soded that the principles on which the Gov
.-nmcnt was acting had been determined py INC
,ompact between the Grown and the people. A'
xas not the duty of the Sovereign 10 proV'ue ioi
the members of the Royal family NO minister
80 tho Crown during the Queens reign had ever
ventured such suggestion. when the seV'io-
,,.nt, was made upon the Prince of Wales 1T was
never contemplated that the Prince would DC
,aIled upon TO provide for his family out OF his
income The Government could not believe that
sny important section of the people grudgeo
Rovaltv the moderate provision necessary to main
tain its dignity If they examined the systems
Of other civilized counties they would ma ,h,'
the English system was the most ecohoiuio"i'
giving invaluable stability, while obtaining 'so
resuect of all English-speaking peoples.
MIR Labouchere moved the adoption OF MS SUI
stitnte for the committees report declaring 'naV
the sums given the Royal family are aireauS amply
sunicient. and that if further supphes are no': =.
they ought to be provided through retrehcliien'
~. exnenses of the ROYAL household, and not oy
fresh demands upon the taxpayers. lie rlu'cui.u ~
Sritb,s assertion of economy in the Engllsh syS-
torn calling attention to the fact that, while inc
President of the United States receives OILY
$4,000 annually, the Queen and her 1anlIly ro-
ceiye $4,000, 900. He said the tme hau ooi10
TO deal finally with grants TO Royalty Inc cup
porters of the amendment were determine" W w
pose further grants to junior members Vi 'no
Royal family He denied that the Queen hau any
.ort of 1itIe no the Crown lands. If there was
talk about a bargain, his advice TO the Oro"n
would be: Take the duchies of Lancaster anu
CornuaII altogether and maintain your family
and households.
Lord Randoph Churchill-We should make the
worst of the bargain.
Mr. Iabouchere-No: the bargain would be
good one.
Continuing, Mr.. Labouchere said that the
Government admitted the large savings
of the Queen from the CIVIL hsI
Doubtless these savings were well invested Even
if the Queen had given various sums to her chill
dren enough was left to provide for the others.
The extreme limit of the nations grants ought
TO be the children of the Sovereign IL was lIi-
possible for the country TO submit 10 the ouiueh
OF an indefinite number Of grandcmldfen' lie
did not complain of Mr.. Gladstones supporting the
grants The Liberals understood MI. Gladstone
pecular and exceptional position, and were not
surprised at his action.
DIR Labouchere proceeded TO explain how
reduction Of the Queens household would produce
the sum necessary to provide for junior Royalues.
If the useless offices of Lord Chamberlain, Lord
Steward Master of the Horse, Master of the Buck
hounds, eight lords-in-waiting, eight grooms-ln-
waiting. four equerres and a number OF
Others were abolished an ample sum would
be left for the purposes mentioned
There were gentlemen who would be giad TO 90
what work these offices entailed for nothlng-Mr
Chamberlain for instance. ILaughter9 lie
trusted that the House. having regard for tho
growing sense of the people That these grants
ought not to be tolerated, would support tne
amendment.
Samuel Storey, member for Sunderland,
Radical, seconded the amendment
Mr. Gladstone briefly said he was averse to all
measures of economy that impaired the dignity
and splendor of the Crown. Therefore he sup
ported the Government. He rejoiced that an
occasion was given him TO testify IN his ola
age that he did not forget the services he had
borne for many years in connection with his
Office as representative of the Crown
John Morley attributed the fever that had been
excited by the question of the Royal grants
70 the Governments want of franl<ness. Their
original proposals were supplying, and they had
withdrawn from an impossible and impfactlcable
position in agreeing to grant of $4,000 pounds
in order to prevent a mschievous friction between
Parliament and the Crown. He feared
that be strained the pledge given by
him 10 his electors. but he did so on the under
standing that no opening would be left for future
claims. Moreover. he was anxious 10 avoid part.
ing company with leader to whom he was
bound by ties of gratitude and esteem
The extra VACANT grants of former reigns furnished
no excuse for repetition OF them now. He
could not support Mr. Labouchere because that
gentleman implied that the me sage from the
Queen ought never to have been presented and he
Morley desired TO uphold the good forms and
traditions of Parliament. hut on Monday he would
move amendment raising the whole question in
the broades possible form.
Sir John Gorst, defending the Government, con
tended that there was no actual difference be-
tween the original and the present proposals. He
complained of the waste of time involved in Mr.
MorleyS mode Of procedure.
Mr.. Bradlaugh adjourned the debate
Mr.. Lincoln. the American Minister, and Chaun-
cey NJ. Depew were present in the House during the
debate.