The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1889-11-23

Judge Anderson DFduCu OF IuG 1hlTC
district court convened in the Legislative
chamber of the city hail yesterday morn
: ing when
HENRY W. LAWRENCE
s entered the court room and took the wit
ness stand for further cross examination
I He testified as follows in reply to the in
: terrogations Of LeGrand Young:
The theory is that this is the fuIness OF the Cos
4 pei established through the Prophet Joseph
Smith after the manner OF Daniel when he said
that it was stone rolling down the mountain
and gathering strength. The kingdom of God is
4 here established. and within the church are
laws that may govern the people outside of any
other government. The Kingdom is not yet in
far and near 10 form that kingdom, which must
have a ruler. We used to sing old
song, Brigham Young, he is our king, =
Brigham Young was not exactly king but the
people thought he had the power to rule as
such. Farley Pratt says in his Voice of Warn
ing four things are necessary to form king
domHA king, laws, people and obedience.
These we had here, which formed kingdom.
The spiritual and temporal kingdom are com
bined. They are trying to establish a kingdom
which is to be ChriSts kingdom. When II is
fully prepared then Christ is TO come and reign.
a king is necessary to a kingdom and ack-
nowledge that Christ IS TO be the first king. A
man has the right to apostatize but he must
take the consequences. The state OF
affairs twenty or thirty years ago WIS
quite different from the present time. l
Sect there are number of MormonS present
wnO know that TO be true. MormoniSm has
been considered divine, and if your views are
changed you apostatiZe and TO apostatize is to
sin against the Holy Ghost Twenty or thirty
years ago, If q man apo tatized he was oStra-
cised from society and he would be isolated.
MOrmonism encourages apostaSy from all other
churches If a Liberal would Join the PEOPLES
party he would also be looked upon with preiu-
dice. II Is natural for all parties to become
condemned wnen they change their belief In
my acquaintance with the rel gous believers they
teach u spiritual kingdom while the MormOnS
teach Il temporal kingdom as well MOrmonism
purportS to be the true religion. and its adher
ents have come out from other churches TO build
up a separate institution. Christ is to come and
be n literal king.
To Mr. Dckson-I have understood that the
Mormon doctrine is that the priesthood should
exercise temporal power in the building up OF
the kingdom. AT the time was cut of there
were but few Gentiles here and had compare
lively few friends.
To Mr. Basllin-The ceremonies Of the Endow-
ment house were not written. There was a
theory that inasmuch as the saints slain in
Missouri, and the prophets were killed in Hi
nolS and lnaSmuch as the government has not
brought the murdcrerS to justice, the nation is
III condemnation. In the covenants | never
knew Of the nation or the United States being
usedE Some say il has been but don't remem-
berN. but the ideas have been generally taught.
To Mr. YOung-Mary things attracted my at
preNsed very hard the witness finally ac-
knoSTedged that, as he had been in the
Endowment house some time, If the ma
tion or United States had been incorporated
in the oath he would have remembered it, The
men who had been in power would not have
dared used the name Of the government. II
might have been Taught or referred TO in the
endowmentS. II was, however, Il general theory
OF the church. I was here when the army came
here. II may be that this question may have
originated then. was here at the time Of the
grasshopper raid and the people were distressed
for want OF food. 1t was about 1855. l rcmem-
Der the time Of the reformation 1t was given
out that this suffering was due 10 the sins OF the
people. the army arrived IN 1905 These ser
mons were connected with the murder and homi-
eide in Missouri and Illinois were probably
preached about that time There was some teach
ing which / heard in the tabernacle which
seemed repugnaut to me 1t was the idea
that the government had permitted the saints
to be murdered and driven out. As early as
1872 heard teachings tending to ALLEVIATE the
people from the government. It was the general
idea that the people were driven out of the couu-
try to this desert to make a living. Nowhere in
the teaching of the Mormon church are they
taught TO be true or loyal to the government
The general tenor OF their teachings is against
the government. In ls4T, during the Mexican
war battalion was called from the MOrmonS.
Have heard oyer and over again that the govern
ment was opposed to their teachings.
Mr.. Young objected to the evidence as IL was
only heLrsay and did not state what the witness
knew about the matter, also that none Of the
questions had been directly answered. Where
upon the court instructed the witness 70 answer
the questions as specifically possible.
Mr.. Lawrence proceeded-I will give one ser
mon. which is a stock sermon. The people were
taught that the government had called upon
them cripple them during the Mexican war.
The government had taken 800 OF their best men
TO form battalion. As young men were grow
ingS& we were taught II was an awful thing. 1
hay Heard IL preached in the tabernacle and
anerward learned that this done at the
solicitation OF agents of the church, who said
they could even furnish more men if required
This was one Of the things which turned me
against the church.
The witness was growing excited in his re
marks and had again to be reminded by the
court not to state theories or what he had heard,
but what he knew. and state the time and place
these things occurred.
Witness COMMUNICATION 1852 70 1868 the
most radical talk was INDUCED in by Brigham
Young. George y. Smith and Hcber Q. s,aSimbau.
The substance OF the language was that the gov
eminent had killed their prophets ana slain The
saints and driven them out. At this time II " as
taught that the government was an inspired IN
stitutiOn and that the constitution was Of divine
origin. / knew Colonel SteptOc when he was
here. Nothing very bad was said about the gov
eminent while he was here. Ny reason TO think
so as that there was prJp position 10 maze
L4lonel Stcptoe governor Of the territory. and
afterwards he was induced 10 sign 4 paper for
the appointment OF Brigham Young. governor
of the territory. All that know is what have
heard. lie may have signed and prepared the
document himself.
To ;hc CONTRIBUTING the time was q merl-
be- nl the Mormon church have heard ser
mons purpOrting 10 prejudice the people against
the United States The tenor OF ali the public
and private speaking was 10 be true to the
priesthood. The feeling 1T certain times was
quite intense against the government, but at
present the feelings Of the members Of the
church, a rule. is more friendly that is, they
like to be friendly to the government OF
the United States. They are more |
or less alienated from the government |
by the teachings Of the church. II they felt |
they were free from the church, they would like |
to be loyal 10 the government must explain |
in order TO be just. want 10 tell the truth. al
though there may be some Mormon people who |
think | am lying. / think many people feel that /
the government has not been loyal TO them. l |
dOiR say loyalty to the government is considered |
a crHShe, but If IL came To point where he would |
have to act either for the government or the |
church, and he did not obey the priesthood, he /
would be ostracsed. The theory is that the |
government is 50 liberal that they can live their
religion.
To r.. W. Young-But their criticisms have
been chiefly against the officers.
To the Court-If a preacher was to preach /
against polygamy he would be socially ostra-
cised. Since laws have been passed against |
polygamy. never heard n preacher preach .
against polygamy. but have not been TO church |
but n few times since 1863.
ARTHUR WILD.
! was in the city in 1872 Remember process
sion on the occasion Of the release of Daniel Il. !
Wells from the penitcntiary, where he was con
fined for contempt OF court. ] saw the nag
trailed in the dust. do not know who trailed 1t.
II was hanging from wagon in the procession.
To LeGrand Young-DOn't know who was
trailing the flag in the dust There were nun
Der Of flags in the procession. Tie crowd hco'ed
and followed when they passed the { Durt house
did not take part. l am too quiet. The others
howled. have since spoken Of il Il numb Of
times. came from England in 1879. 1 am in
the saloon business.
az. l.. WilliamS-D. II. Wells was imprisoned
for refusing to reveal the endowment cerc-
monies.
MRS CoRNELIA PADDOCK.
I saw the nroce SsiOn eScOrting Daniel II Wells
from the penitentiary The city council and fire !
department headed the procession. ] saw a ban.
ner carried by little girls, I'VE will uphold