The Portland daily press., 1888-12-18
STANLEYs FATE AND BRITISH POLITICS
The Two Closely Blended In Debate
In the Comm ons.
Mr.. Gladstone Takes Part In the
Lively Discussion.
Samoan Affairs and the sackviIIe In
cident Mentioned.

LONDON, Dec. 17.-In the Commons, to-
night, Mr.. Morley declared 1t would be re-
pugnant to the House to separate until 1t
learned whether steps could be taken to
avert the threatened fate Of Emin Bey and
Stanley. He urged the government to issue
a proclamation to the coast tribesmen, stat
ing that whatever happened the Egyptian
dominion would not be extended an inch be-
yond Suakim.I If the government wants to de-
tach these tribesmen from theMahdi it might
assure them that they will be allowed to re-
tain their positions. Did the government,
Mr.. Morley asked, consider military opera
tiOns so paramount that il would not sus-
pend them II they endangered Emin and
Stanley?
Sir James Ferguson said the government
could not give the specific declaration re-
required. A close perusal Of Osman Digna's
its genuiness. 1t did not bear the impress of
truth 1t appeared TO be a clever Oriental
device, and was not sufficient TO delay the
raising the seige of Suakim.
Mr.. Gladstone said he would assume that
any negotiations with the Dervishes might
give so little encouragement that they could
not be attempted as fixed policy. But as
1t was the governments policy to draw the
widest distinction between the Dervishes in
vesting Suakim and the comparatively pow
erful tribes regarded as proprietors Of the
Soudan, why should not the government at
tempt to convert these tribes over to English
views regarding the occupation of Suakim
1t was essential TO determine whether the
occupation should be British or Egyptian. III
1t were Egyptian, II would be mlschleyous
while British occupation was necessary. The
matter ought to be submitted to the 1udg-
ment of the House. He himself was averse
TO any occupation.
Lord Churchill said he regretted the re-
sumption of a course which he denounced
when 1t was taken by the Liberals. Still he
denounced 1t.
Mr.. Chaplin and Beresford, Conservatives,
advocated the retention of Suakim.
Mr.. Morley. TO obtain division, moved to
reduce the vote for 930O sterling. The mo
tion was rejected, 1865 against rs.
Mr.. Labouchere moved that a reduction Of
e1100 be made In the salary of the British
minister at Washington. He then censured
Lord Salisbury for delay in appointing sue
cessor to Lord Saekviile and for his unfriend-
ly attitude to America, which the speaker
maintained was especially Shown in the Pre-
mier's speech at the Lord Mayors banquet.
Sir James Ferguson said he regretted the
tone Of Mr.. r.LaDouchsre's remarks and that it
was impossible to enter fully into the matter
now because it was only within the last two
days that the Government had been placed
in possession OF the reasons for Lord Sack
ville's receiving his passport. He denied the
truth of Mr.. Labouchere's assertion that
there was disposition 10 Sneer at America
and said he believed the sympa thy and
friendship between the two nations too sim
cere to be affected by this incident Of the
minister's return. No declaration of an in
tention to delay the appointment of a sue
cessor until the new President was installed
had been made.
Sir VIM. Vernon Harcourt was pleased to
hear the last statement and he urged that a
successor to Lord Sackville be Immediately
appointed.
Mr.. Mccarthy asked If it was true that
two years ago England agreed that German
influence should be paramount in Samoa.
Other speakers followed.
Sir James said it was satisfactory to know
that during the last fishing season there had
been no disputes between Canada and Amer
lea. It was inconvenient at present, he said,
to lay before the House the papers connected
with the fisheries conference. Regarding
Samoa, he hoped compensation might be
made TO those who suffered undeserved
losses, but he was not in position to deal
with the future policy Of the island. The
government for years had been pledged to
neutrality. 1t was earnestly wished that
some settlement might be reached that would
put an end to civil wars on the island. lie
looked to an island so suitable for coloniz-
ing purposes. "We ought not TO be jealous
of other nations" he said.
Mr.. Labouchere then withdrew his mo-
tion, and the vote was agreed to.