Springfield daily republic. [volume] (Springfield, O. [Ohio]) 1887-1888, 1888-02-08

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opnHnues 10 be drawing card in the tally
ehsst trial Judging from the immensa
crowd present again yesterday, age does moi
0eale, or custom uither the interest in ths
examination Of the main witness for the
otass.
Mr.. Converse resumed the cross-examins-
Non of Mr.. Granville, although he was O
Aoafss that he spoke with difficulty. The
voice Of the witness did not show the effect
efhis prolonged examination but rang out q
eosA and clear - ever. There were fewer
dramatic scenes than in Mondays proceed.
tnsa but the absence Of these. vas made for
- some extent by the sit and humor Of
0f. AcSweeney. Who took up the thread
q cf0Oexamination at Q quarter past
slsven. Mr.. Converse being compelled 70
sop On account OF the condition Of hia
voice.
There vas very perceptible lack Of the
emphasis IA answering questions, which
Granville displayed in 10 marked . degrees
Monday. At times his voice became 50 low
- % Se heari with great difficulty. Al
other times he spoke with considerable
force and vehemenoe. The following Is .
resume Of his testimony: The witness was
handed . letter. which he was asked to
identify a. the one sent 20 Mr.. Huling. II
was the same orc referred To in the scoount
Of yesterdays proceedings ss having been
written BY Granville, copied by Clarke.
and signed by Lytlc. He identified the
letter As the one prepared by Clarke under
his advice AID instructions Knew from
Mr.. Clarke taat Huling had sent for Lyle
and Clarke u conc To Columbus.
In reply u the question whether they
came with \ view to sgreeing upon price.
the ~itne>s answered that they came With
sview OF investigating the fraud in this
case. lf there was any arrangement as to
price, 1t WAS made 10y his attorney. Colonel
Duff. DID not know whether Huling paid
the expenses OF the trip or not Had never
heard any thing about an offer on the part
Of Clarke ani L,tie 10 manage the case for
$1,000. They did not report on their re-
turn to Chicago that they had made an ar
Rangemen, with Judge Nash and Mr..
Huling. who were to see about raising the
money. Had never made the state
ment that they would give money
at any price, that he would
no; surrender his Information for 81 ,oU, as
not only they Hnling and others) wanted
IL, but the entire Republican party OF
Ohio. Never said that he had been Offered
more than Si.oI while in Columbus He
bad made TO contract with Huling by
which he was TO he protected by the prose
eutor from criminal prosecution. Had
made no such contract with Huling or any
one else He understood that lac WAS 70 re-
ceive immunity, understood il from his
attorney, Colonel DAT Here followed the
most sensational scene Of the day. the wit
ness giving his answers in very loud tone,
leaning forward in his chair and gesticulat-
ing with his right hand.
DIN whate shape is the immunity you
are to receive-immunity from prosecu-
ton! A-Not single hair of my head il
70 be touched.
Q-That is the agreement A-That 10
not an agreement. l know il.
Q-Tnst is your understanding? A-That
Il my understanding yes. sir.
Q-Where does your understanding come
from Al get it from my attorney.
OIL understand. Where else does this
information come f,omy Docs it come
from the persons representing the State in
this case? Alt comes from the people Of
the State of Ohio.
Q-When did the people Of the State Of
Ohio assemble and agree to give you that
immunity from crime? A-They viii a.
ways do 50.
Q-when did they: Al do not know
that they have assembled yet.
Q-How do you know you have been
promised immunity from prosecution!
Any attorney. Colonel Duff. told me
should receive immunity.
Q-ls that all the knowledge you have on
that subject, Ayes all the knowledge
have from the Colonel or anybody else.
Q-All you know on this subject of i'm.
munity9 A-Ses, that is all the knowledge
possess that shall get it,
He had no interview with those repre-
senting the State about his immunity from
prosecution. Denied that he had told
either Clarke or Lytle that this storywas un-
true that he knew nothing whatever against
the Montgor.crys, or about the forgery. or
al L. 4 tl..s tls
bosh, with no truth in il, and that he was
doing il to make money. Had very little
dealings with either Lytle or Clark. They
were to have half the money and the Wit
ness the other half.
bid not know whether Clarke or Lytle
communicated the statement to Mr.. Hui
ing that the story was untrue. and that he
tGranvilie, was telling il merely for money.
They were liars enough to do it. Heard by
hearsay that Mr.. Huling met Clarke and
Lytie ON July %. IsS,. at the Grand Pacific
Hotel in Chicago. Did not know when the
sinal arrangements were made for the
agreement Of $2.0O. Did no, know about
Huling telegraphing Clarke and Lytle to
come to Columbus, August g, lsS7.
Couldn't say how much Clarke and Lytls
received from the fund. Believed they re-
ceived the last Of their share in December.
Did not think that they had received $S36.
He did see Mr.. Huling November ~. At the
Grand Pacific Hotel being At that time in
Central Illinois Knew nothing Of . man
by the name Of Mcfarland. Did not think
that he had ever told Lytle that he never
intended to be q witness in this case. Told
Lytle that he iGranvilleI would always do
what he could to vindicate his name.
Never said anything about Mcfarland.
Denied that he told Lytle on September 81,
that he knew nothing about the forgeries,
or the connection Of any of the defendants
With them.
-Q-Did you make the statement re
ferred to that YOU were hard up and wanted
A-No: I did not. have not made any
Q-You go, s666? Al have spent it al
In this case.
Dwell you ought to have spent it, A
Yes I ought. have spent that aud some
Of nv money beside.
Q-Are you serious about il, Do you
want il understood that you have spent
your own money, Al wish il under
ssood that have sl,en, some Of my own
money beside. am serious about il.
Q-Iou want il understood that you are
serious in that answer. Al want it un-
derstsod that my expenses have exceeded
the amount Of money | have received.
Q-Mr. Granville, did the State ever
make out statement TO guide witnesses in
this case. explaining what they were to
swear to- A-No, sir.
Odd you, or Clarke. or Lytle. or any
Of them, ever make out statement OF
what the facts were on which you were
70 enlighten the State Al think Col
onel Duff made out statement of what l
knew.
Q-Colonel DUFF made il ont? Al in
formed Colonel Duff what knew, but no
body else until informed the gentlemen
Who represent the State.
Mr.. Converse then handed the witness
letters, papers. etc, principally from Lytle
and Clarke. most Of which were identified -
being the hand writing Of Mr. Clarke. one
In the hs I'D writing of Colonel Duff and cue
svvifta,, IA fhs vSifpess himseH