The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1888-08-01
PARNELL AND CHAMBERLAIN
The Irish Leader Charges Joseph with
Betraying Certain Cabinet Secrets.
The Proof Appears Inadequate, and Gladstone
Sides with Chamberlain-The Causes
Leading to the Fires at Port-au-Prince.
THE PARNELL COMMISSION.

THE PARNELL COMMISSION.
Another Debate. I'm Which . Number of
Prominent Members Participate.
LONDON. July 31.-In the House of Commons.
this evening, Mr.. W. n. Smith moved the sus-
pension of the stsnding order under which dis
,ussion Of the bill to investigate the charges
against Mr.. Parnell and others might be inter-
supted at midnight
DIR. Parnell protested against the suspension
Of the discussion which the motion suggested,
on the ground that the proposal was an amend
ment to continue discussion Of q measure OK the
nrst Importance after the House had been sit
ting nine hours.
The motion was carried by q vote of 231 to
l59.
Mr.. Parnell, yesuming the debate on the COM
mission bill, referred to the proposal of Mr..
Reid, made last night. to limit the inquiry to
charges of participation or completely in out
RACES. He referred to the Cabinets In office since
1882. the proceedings of which. he asserted, had
frequently been ~divulged by Mr.. Chamberlain
10 himself and other Nationalist members.
The chairman here interrupted, saying that
:he Irish leaders observations were not now in
,rder.
IA u EcpAlco tuns no WouAu
further statements until he appeared before the
commission, when he would be prepared to
prove his charges.
Mr.. Chamberlain, offering a personal explana-
tion, said that Mr.. Parnell had made certain
vague accusations against him which he
threatened TO bring before the commission. If
the charges were germsue TO the subjects re-
ferred TO the commission for Investigation,
he would give any necessary explanation or
them without Sinking. Regarding the ACCUSE
lions made by Mr.. Psrnell, that he had be-
trayed Cabinet saeI us between 1885 and 1885,
rs far as he couli recolleet, the only direct COM
munications he mad had with Mr.. Psrnell during
the whole Of that period were. Fl rst, regarding
Mr.. Parnsll's release from Kilnainham Jail, the
Information Of what had occurred having been
promptly conveyed to Mr.. Gladstone and Mr..
Forster; and second. q communication referring
10 the Nationalist councils In Ireland
Mr.. Parnell recited various acts of Mr.. Cham
berlain which hs claimed supported his state
ments.
The Chairman interrupted Mr.. Parnell with
the ruling that his time for explanations in an
swsr to Mr.. Chamberlain had expired
Mr.. Chamberlain said be wished TO say that
he did not intend to imply that the subject of
national councils was the only matter discussed
between himself and Mr.. Parnell, but he had
nlW 8o ~ n9A
passed between himself Mr.. Parnell He ap-
pealed to Mr.. Gladstone to confirm his state
inent
Mr.. Gladstone said he did no. question the
statements regarding the communications be-
tween Mr.. Chamberlain and Mr.. Parnell while
9he latter was in Kllmainham Jail, but in the
present state of his recollection ne would re-
quire to know what particular communication
were referred to before entering into discussion
of them.
Referring to communications with Mr.. Par
nell. in 1885. relating TO local government. Mr..
Gladstone said his memory accorded with Mr..
Chamberlain's.
The House divided on Mr.. Reds motion, and
10 was defeated by a vote of 259 to Ill.
Mr.. John Morley proposed to modify the
clause referring such of the ALLEGATIONS to the
commission as they may think ft to inquire
into.
Mr.. Matthews intsrposed an objection, and an
excited debate followed.
Sir William Harcourt charged the government
with having refused to accept the amendment
because Attorney general Webster had told
them that the commission must inquire into
anything the Times wished 70 have investigated.
The government. he charged, was told to allow
the Times to throw dirt without restraint.
Mr.. j. T. b. Robertson, Solicitor-general Of
Scotland, Indignantly denied Mr.. Harcourts
allegations, whereupon Mr.. Harcourt said he
would withdraw his statements IL Mr.. Smith
would deny that in framing the bill he had not
consulted Mr.. Walter. of the Times.
Mr.. Smith jumped to his feet and ~excitedly
denied thar there was any truth in Mr. Hsr-
courts insinuatiOn of the governments collision
with the Times. lie was amazed that any gen.
fleman in the House should make the ACCUSE
ton. Mr.. Walter, he declared. never saw the
bill.
Mr.. Glad soue-Are We to understand in
plain terms thAt Mr.. Smith had no communica-
tion with Mr.. Walter upon the subject of the
bill
Mr.. Smith, stated distinctly that the bill
was settled without communication with Mr..
Walterl
The debate following was of a very exciting
character.
Mr.. Labouchers declared that the government
had refused the amendment because it dared
not alter the bill without the permission of Mr..
Walter.
Mr. Smith Indignantly denied the assertion.
DIR. Gladstone insisted that the Parnellites
were entitled to o. right which was not denied to
the vilest Of criminals, that of having the
charges brought against them clearly specified.
Mr.. Morley's amendment was rejected-25O to
20Z.
Mr. Sexton offered an amendment to give the
names OF the persons accused. which, under a
motion of closure by Mr.. Smith. WAS rejected
BOO to 204
Mr.. Carroll moved that the COMMITTEES report
progress. Rsjected-2l9 TO 169.