New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1888-07-15
that did not suit NJ BceI.man, as it was rather

that did not suit Mr. Bcclman, as it was rather
favorable 20 the contractors.
Mr. Boarlman-Tho Corporation Counsel dsscnts.
Mr.. Loyatt-The Corporation Counsel las done be-
There was some further discussion that brought
out some more opinions on tins matter Nr
NcOll and Mr. Becllman dcmurred al the line
Of inquiry. claiming that these replies or Mt
Church EIIght he used against the city IN subsc-
Gucnt litigation between il and the contractors.
in other words they wanted the examination con-
fined TO facts. without calling fOc any expression
OF opinisn. II was aSsentcd to by the committee
Mr. Fassctt rcmarlling that the Senators were not
here ~ the request Of the contractors or the Com
mission. Mr.. Church said that he did not care
TO discuss his personal relations with The commits
siOners lie had been disappointed al the support
given him by the Commission
Mr. Boariman-Mr. Church, did you not 10 me
within the last four days that tho entire trouble
in the work was failure OF the Coma, sloners sup
port youl
Mr.. Church did not give a full answer. He
had told MIR. BOardman what he did, he sad, IN
confidence Ilr Boz rdman said he would not
press h.s question. but Mr.. Fish declared that he
wanted the witness 10 tell everything. 50 did
Mr.. Ridcway.
MR. CHURCH MAKES ANOTHER STATEMENT
Mr. Boardman then asked if il was not trae that
Commissioners Dowd and Spencer were the two
members Of the Board most conspicuous in their
failure to support him as they should have done
In reply Mr. Charch made a long statement, in the
course Of which he said
Soon after The work began became necessary 70 make
final organization Of engineering force In doing 50
I was Obliged look about me 70 get men @; sufficient
experience and training aid my chief assistants
had taken good deal q interest IN H. 5 Craven tho
nephew Of my old chief lie disappointed that did
not make him my deputy instead Of my assistant He
began 20 work There constnnt friction,
which ultimately caused decentralization o. the force
lie was sustained 10y Commissioners Dowd and Spencer,
TO ny great annoyance AID the detrment Of the work
Craven wa. finally dismissed but the eject Of his actions
are still visible IN the force.
RroEGANIzING THE COMMISSION.
In regard 10 the organization Of tho Commission,
Mr.. Church said that ne had nothing to do lie
had no idea Of Alfred Crayen's feeling toward
him. he said, until the division engineer came
on the stand. Il was not true that the Cravcns
were always on the side Of the city, as against
that Of the contractors. AZ first he could not
recall single instance Of the kind, but he finally
remembered the fact that Craven was aga nst
tLc adoption Of the ObcslS brand of cement by
the contractors but even here SIr Church de-
clarcd the rights OF the city were ~ the cheaper
cement A. Tor the timbcud sections abOut which
Alfred Craven had testified Mr. Church declared
it was IN the Interests Of the city to have them
treated as hc had ordered.
o-Do you blame Alfred Craven for appearing here a.
wltnessf Al blame him Tor joining with his brother
In loa ding Up the committee with haftruhA The at
utule which he took put in a alse eat There has
been no fraud in regard the Iubte work and fraud
as to payment for extra excavation. or that /
tain
Q-Is there any reason why Alfred Craven should be
turned on the Aqleduct because OF his testimony here
A-Ycs decidedly
Senator Fassett asked for instances when Craven
testified falsely. The witness said the assertion
nv Craven that " The Handbook Of Ready Refer
ence7 was given out officially and 10 be used
in computing the estimates was untrue lie
mentioned one or two other matters but II was
decided to 60 into this more fully some other
time Mr. Church was certain that S3j7 1000
would cover All the bad work done on the Aque-
duct He defended the Use Of rubblc work.
Q.--was there any had work that detected by
H. 81 Craven when Ao In the Commissions employ
A-NO
Q-IIas not the best work :he Aqueduct been done
under Alfred Crayeni Al think his division Is the
Yet Mr. Craven is TO be discharged Mr.,
Fish asked the Senators 10 resume the investi-
ration as soon as the Legislature adjourned