New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1888-03-29
JAY GOULD ANSWERS BACK.
HIS REPLY TO THE ANDREWS STATEMENT

not retired from tho field after putting out MS sA'
mishing line He In better spirits than ever sh'
plunged into business with sesf indicative OF stphk
vitality and satisfaction In what no was doing fh's
Jatss sAton IN small degree from tho result u
Mr. Goulds cunning Of tho last fcw days Indications
wore coming in that somebody had been ht and pretty
hard II that II was chis witch lod Mr. Could TO say
1t would seem tnat the rapidly approaching wnen
the legislative investigation, Of which have spoken snou
be taken up II would be well for the people Oh .n.
city TO have light thrown upon political ansrs ne
the people State would enjoy II ana so woud no
whole country might be wei 70 see how mf We sfs
controlled here by single shrewd politician
Mr. ANDREWS REPLIES TO GEORGE COULD
T. l. Andrews madc formal statement yesterday
to the assertions set forth By George j. Could -
Published In TRIBUNE yesterday, regarding Mr. An
drews After asserting that George Goulds statement
in many respects contained pure fabrcstons.' and
explaining once moro In tho old the alleged reason
why criminal instead Of civil proceedings had been
begun, Mr. Andrews proceeded
The first that ever heard negotiation was from
call De Lancey In January last BY the presE
Of railroad company Some days sftsrwsrd gem
tleman brought us messsxe from George Gould that he
would hold meeting with We said that IL any
such meeting held Judge Dillon should % prescn.
Finally meeting took place between George eouio sno
myself ct tho Western Union Building Gould asked me
what could be this matter. replied that thes
was only one proper way and that TO make res
titution 10 the Trust The unQuestonaoe value OF hs
Trust stock taken 100000 and this might anoro
said that they could not do thA - wouio
be . public acknowledgment Of wrong. The plan of maS
ing dividend to holder Of each and every bond undes
the morgsge TO represent the securities taken from the
trust was next discussed This TO be carried out ~
zach bondhoder presenting his bonds for stamping a hs
time Of the receps Of his interest," 20 "a to release me u
tees from Liability for what they had done Gouid ssie
that this would still be too public among such largo
number Of bondholders holdings under this mort
gage He then sad Why could We not pay the ex'
penses Of your clients In the criminal proceedings nsy
could then 70 on with their civil proceedinssr
replied that the criminal proceedings entitled us 70
the fullest restitution and prompt pry trial. ana that MS
plan would be approved Then Gould said how
could get out Of tho crminsl liability We don't wan.
IN Indictment" replied that the Penal Code pfosoea
for restitution before warrant was Issued He tncn
aid Well suppose I could pay Fellows something
aid No you could not think that this being tho
nrst under this law, which makes the
Attorney collecting agency restitution wouid DC
satsfsctory the pubic oncers ana they woud NOT pre-
the personal punishment
This talk ended here Gould asking mo II would mees
him st his house. reported what trsnspircd TO my ~
sociasea BY appointment specially made with hm did
meet him &C house the evening before the argument
the District Attorneys He sad he had cabled TO Alex
sndr, and hsd got full power said he hsd had great
deuty in making Sage pay his proportion a. he had eos
some of tho profit h only fair that he should pay lie
began what they could DO for the lawyers
side. - they had 20 much law business *ie
they could do nothing while this matter was pending
Gould then !d: thought $4,000 would be an induce
ment and you see your clients would not suffer- because
they would still have their civil suft" at once SAID
Mr.. Gould there l. use Of your talking anything OF
that sort"
JAY GOULD ON MR. ANDREwSs STATEMENT.
Jay Gould being asked whether he had anything to
saw tn Wow Of Andrewss statements and dcnias, said
that this suggested thing that he might perhaps
properly say, adding:
vsHt I, Understood that no bondholder Europe
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the trustees myself and Mr. Sage with any complaint or
asked to have any investigation redress because the
bondholders mow-as everybody knows who has iookcd
into matterthat Whist the trustees did added millions
the security Of the Kansas Pacic bondhcldsr@ w'sn
to say to community that lawyer BY tho name OF
E. l. Andrews Is all there is to this prosecution Two
or three years there famous litigation here ana
elsewhere being the suit Of Mare Cutting ana others
against Garrison. and Of tho same parties against tho
Missouri Pacific and against the Atlantic and Pseinc
Those suits were settled up and after they were settled
in April, 1876 L L. Andrswa whom had never em'
ployed wrote making csim for some eSo'ooo
never employed him directly indirectly. and he had ne
more 70 do with those the settlement than the
man In the On the same day that received nu
letter wrote him a. follows:
E. I. Andrews. esa.. 50 Broadway. city .,
pesd pssf not Sif say that was greatly surprised
amy wsy s ses "a Gsss s se ss sa
recognize NO liability TO you whatever SufS GoID CID
think he understood that letter. and he never has
opened his mouth from this making any claim
on me in regard that matter His silence is confes
don When he his emsssry. George Crouch feturned
from Europe they did not to me or the trustees
hut undertook in October last bring suit In the name
Of Stoop a Rens against Gould and Sage trustees In
respect of the Kansas Pacific matter In the complaint
they represented that StoOp Rens owned $4,000 Of the
Kansas Pacins bonds Shortly after that suit was
brought Andrews his council came to my counsel and
hsd 4
claimed discontinue It. and the same was discontinued
Latsr Andrews began proceedings in the District
Attorneys oce Before went to Europe and after the
6toop q Rens suit brought but before 1t was mads
public Crouch Nj Charles A. 0Rourke TO me asking
II would not have interview with Mr.. Crouch M
ORourke came stated Mr. Crouchs request with some
particulars whereupon said 70 Mr.. o'Rourke: Does
not that look Like blsckmanT He said: That is Just
the way IL struck mo-" replied Il have never yet
psid any bsckmsn and too old to begin now Thia
reply you take back to him."
Yesterday Mr.. Crouch sent M O'Rourke to me ask
Ing II would have an Interview with Mr. Crouch In
gard TO the settlement Of this matter and would Mr.
Crouch would my house that evening that Crouch
felt that hs could arrange TO have this thing settled
As Mr.. Crouch not TO my knowledge bondholdes
did represent any. and tho representa-
tive Of Andrews In this matter declined 10 have any In
tervtew and told Mr.. 0'Rourke 80 to inform him.
BRIEF CHAT WITH Mr. ANDREWS.
Mr.. Andrews was seen by . TRIBUNE reporter lats
In the day. when the following conversation tool
place:
"Mr Andrews, do you know George Crouchr
Well yes, do.'
"Do you know Charles A. O'Rourkef'
"Ah (hesitatngly)-wcll, yes dos
"Havs you seen Mr.. O'Rourke to-dayi'
Mr.. Andrews hastily withdrew to his inner once.
saying Is he fed from view: :" You have the state
mont have already given to tho papers 1t ts su-
thentc. I have say"
Mr. GOULDs STATEMENTS CONFIRMED
NJ f6s ant padA M
Mr. Gould to tho visits madc by him to MrGould In
Mr.. Crouch's behalf He had his frst conversation
with Crouch when he met him in Madison square last
This and all other meetings with Crouch
accidental, he said. at least sought BY
himself Mr.. 0'Rourkc continued:
II ct Crouchs request that Arss TO George
Gould aud it the request Of Crouch and Andrew
that made my second call George Gould Ny second
call George Gould made sitter had been 70
introduced by him % Andrews at The Hotel lrunxMick