Springfield daily republic. [volume] (Springfield, O. [Ohio]) 1887-1888, 1888-02-23

J your house Mr.. Couverse's hossel. came
| here and visited you somewhere on some
avenue. You wasn't at home when went
to Your house. and then l went down 10
the Neil House and afterwards got the car
riase and went out for Al en- o. Myers; aud
when We got out vi the carriage alter Ieay-
/ ingsshirn at the hall. went up u your Of
| hce.
O. was going TO ask you again whether
F, you remember whether Allen q. Myers got
| out OF the carriage in front VI my building
/ or down at the opera house? A-Well, /
cannot say where We got out, | cannot tell
| YOU IL WAS somewhere On State street |
/ think.
Q-Now state, if YOU please, Mr. Hill,
where you went further, after Mr.. Myers
and you separated! A-Well | Went 10
| Booths otfice-the reason / call /; Booths
office is that il WAS always in the front part
J of the Office and you in the rear Room. |
went to Mr. Booths office | think he was
! there. and others but cannot tell. l can
not recollect who they were. | went from
| there 10 the Neil House, where | spent
most of my time that evening i'll converse
ton, more than any other one person |
think with Charlie Moore who is since
dead. and Donaldson, Jake Donaldson.
Q-I will ask you to state whether you
saw Mr.. Matthias Martin that evening, and
| II 50, about what time and where Al
saw Mr.. Martin that evening (and think
| il was the first time saw him and the last
| time saw himl, WAS about half-past nine
O'Clock standing on the stairway that leads
! up into those offices ON the north side of
the alley from the Neil II Hpusc.
Q-Was that where Harrison. Olds &
Marsh keep their offices? Al had under
stood so l saw Mr. Martin-when first
saw him he had two law books under his
arm, and | think that was the first time. l
don't remember OF seeing him after that.
but il l did don't remember. lie was
talking 70 some gentlemen, some two or
three, when ] stepped up. l went up Ia
him and shook hands with him, and told
him wanted To see him. He said he was
goiag down TO his Office and invited the po
go along and talk on the way. We started
and left those gentlemen. whoever they
were-l can't tell. We went and stopped
! in at Horns or a saloon in that block, be-
fore We crossed Broadway, ! think il was
Horns, and got 8 drink. We also took .
cigar and walked on down Ia the Office.
QHWe!l. Mr.. HILL on the way down,
what conversation did you have? Tell all
about il. A-Well, l had better commence
with what my motives were and what
prompted me to speak To Mr. Martin at all
Q-iou can either tell that first or tell il
afterwards. Al had been over here Sat
urday and Sunday and had talked with
great many Democrats and the universal
expression ubjectcd TO rs hearsay.D
Dwell, Mr.. l. the gentlemen object
Go on and state nrst what You sad and
then give your reasons afterwards. Al
asked Mr.. Martin whether lac had been out
70 see Judge Thurman.
Q-Whst did he say? Ale said mo-"
he hadn't been out Ia see him. He didn't
have "a go out He could write rs good an
opinion as any man in Columbus. Then l
told him that il was an important affair he
was TO act upon and that he shouli 90 and
counsel with Judge Thurman. and | asked
him then if he WAS afraid of criticism or
was afraid to GO. No, he said he WASH,
afraid He could SO out TO Judge Thur
mans any time.
Q-Afraid of criticism howg A-Afraid
Of criticism of going out at that time to see
Judge Thurman to get his opinion on how
he should decide this case before the Can
vaising Board. He said no, he wasn't
afraid; Judge Thurman's latch string was
always open for him At any time of day OF
night
Q-Wss there anything else said in that
conversation on the subject of canvassing
the returns? A-No, sir. This talk was all
had on our way down to his office. After
we got to the Office, upstairs. there va.
nothing said, think, except then the con.
l thought it was too small TO hold courts
nice cosy Office, but too small to hold court
in.
Q-Do you remember any other conver-
cation upstairs except that about his office!
A-No, sir; there WAS not
Q-Was there anything said upstairs after
you left the street upon the subject Of
counting the vote, or any thing in oonnec-
ton with itG A-No, sir, there was not
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state what Mr.. Martin was doing when you
left him in the office? A-Well. he sat
down and commenced turning over the
books that he had in his arm. Laid them
down and pulled up some paper. He had
. desk there-s neat, nice desk.
QHBy his paper do you mean writing
papers Ayes, sir; he said he WAS going
70 write an opinion.
Q-Do you remember whether a part Of
out? Al don't know; | did not notice.
Q-well, was there anything else said on
the subject OF the count or anything Of that
sort after you went up stairs: A-So, sir;
there was not
QI will ask You il there was anything
said either on the walk or going down TO his
offie or going into his office or in the office
after you got there about his being old and
in poor circumstances or anything OF that
sortf A-Nothing whatever; nothing OF the
kind.
Q-And that you might TX him we'll,
you would like u see him fixed. A-Never
any such conversation occurred between
u.
Odd you see or have any conversation
with Mr.. Martin afterwards that night, A
did not; if l saw him that evening after
that do not remember il. certainly did
not speak to him.
Odd you in that conversation or at
any time in relation to this subject saw that
you would like Ia throw a brick into his
garden? Al never did, | don't thiuk l
ever used that phrase in my life.
Q-I will ask you if in the course Of the
conversation he said 10 you that il would
take Q good deal OF money 10 make him
comfortable? A-Nothing OF the kind. Mr.
Converse, nothing Of the kind was said be-
tween US. My only object in seeing squire
Martin that night Was 10 get him 10 go and
see Judge Thurman and get his opinion on
Gilmores speech. | understood from all
the Democrats in Columbus Ohjection)
Q-Go on and MAKE the statement? A
] want to make this statement: | was I'M
der the impression then that Judge Thur
man had said that Gimores speech was
good Law, and l got nav opinion from the
Democratic attorneys here as well as every.
body else.
Q-And was thai the reason you wanted
Mr.. Martin TO 60 out and see Judge Thur
man. because you understood he had sAiA
that Gilmore's speech was sound law? A.
That h the reason. and the only reason.
Mr.. Hill was next questioned in regard to
The forgery. He said that he knew the
Montgomery, Cogan and Myers, but did
not know Blackburn.
Q-I will ask you, Mr.. Hill, il you en-
tAra1 intn n aYrn Or avrpAmant or
ever had any understanding with either
ono of these gentlemen TO change q tally
sheet, or any Of the tally sheets in Franklin
county, Ohio, in the yeai 1857 Al did
not, Mr.. Converse. II Robert Montgomery,
or Allen o. Myers, or Tom Cogan ever had
anything to do with counterfeiting them
tally sheets, they never intimated q thing