Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1888-09-24
Testlm0ny Of Speaker Carlisle and
Otnef Witnesses TO.Day.

Other Witnesses Te-Day.
THE sPsAKER ExrLArn WHY Mr.. srAmxrcxrn WAS
PUT ON THE LIBRARY coNNrrTRR-rHR sPRAKxR's
CONVERSATION WITH Mr.. vooRHIEs-MR. srAHL-
NBcKBR, sR-. DENIES BEING INTERESTED m THE
TUcKAHoE ouARR1s, AND u suPPoRrID ~ Nh.
CARDozo.
The Stahlnecker investigating committee got
together slowly again this morning. The chair
man and Justice Lamar, who Is stil waiting
patiently to be examined and discharged, were the
frst on hand II was nearly half an hour after the
time rxed for meeting before the committee as
sembled Mr.. Stahlnecker and his attorney were on
hand shortly after 10. MI. Stahlnecker was &C
companied by his father. o tall, straight old gen.
tleman with long white beard, to whom the
son bears q striking resemblance. Mr.. Coleman
was fifteen minutes late. jude Kelley had not
arrived when the committee was called to order.
After waiting few minutes for him, Mr.. coleman
stated that he wasinformed that Senator voorhees,
had not yet arrived. He regretted 1t very much.
but the only thing lett for him TO do was 70 ask
gard for the senator made him regret this.
Judge Taylor asked II their Information was not
that Senator voorhees, was now on his way to
an attachment dot
Judge wilson urged that Mr.. Coleman be re-
quired to state what he expected to prove BY Sen
rms Mr. Coleman did not do. He said that no
one could be more embarrassed at the delay tnan
gave satisfaction to the other side, he said He re-
GREETED the Inconvenience TO the committee.
hees' arrival
Mr.. Coleman said he could examine Speaker Car
present be would ask him few questions Alto
gether, he said, his examination OF witnesses
would not take more than day.
QUESTIONS 10 JUDO. KELLEY OBJECTED 10.
IuA TTlC
examination was brief Mr. Coman asked two
questions OF him, both of which were objected 10
by Judge Wilson and ruled out by the committee.
The attorney then said he had no more questions
to ask Of this witness.
MI. Smithmeyer had said to Judge Kelley what he
testified to on the stand as to interviews with Mr.
were reported Ito to him before % the meeIing OF Con.
gress. The committee thought testimony on this
line Incompetent.
SPEAKER CARLISLE ON THE STAND.
Speaker Carlisle was next put on the stand. He
said that Mr.. Stahlnecker was member OF the IL
brary committee during the Forty ninth Congress,
and was chairman OF that committee.
Mr. Coleman asked how Mr.. Stahlnecker came to
be appointed chairman OF that committees, and
who asked for suoh appointment; also as TO his
position on the special Investigating committee.
The Speaker replied that there were only three
members OF the House library committee. Two OF
these belonged to the dominant party: Mr: stanl.
reelected TO the Ftftieth Congress. II WAS usual
In such a case, unless there was some good reason
committee reelected to be made Chairman. As
TO his being on the special committee, he was not
appointed 70 that; he went on that committee by
virtue OF his being chairman OF the library COM
mittee, not by appointment
In answer TO another question he said that
Mr. RANDALL HAD UR0 I'D THE APPOINTMENT
OF Mr.. Stahlnecker chairman Of the library COM
mittee. Beside this, in the apportionment among
the members from New York state, MI. stahl-
necker was selected for this place. Mr. Randall,
he said, had seen him frequently. He did not
think that there was any otner pressure brought
IN M dns S o. MT MI
ordinary way.
over M. vtahineckers appointment
sNIrHMEYER IN A GOOD DEAL OF TROUBLE.
There was no controversy, the witness replied,
but there was delay and hesitation on his (wit-
messy part. Gen. Geo. B. Williams, OF Indiana, as
friend Of MIR. Smithmeyer, had cone to witness
a.d said that Mr.. smithmeyer was In good deal
OF trouble. He (Smithmeye) was apprehensive
lest Mr.. Stahlnecker should be appointed chair
man Of the Library committee, because he (Stahl-
necker) might make trouble for him on account OF
his refusal to take defective material Witness
said that Gen. Williams had related TO him what
Mr.. Smithmeyer had said about the alleged inter-
views with Mr. SJahlnecker. Witness said tLat he
had told Mr.. Randall about what Mr.. Smithmeyer
charged, and that he had asked Nj. Randall to
bring Mr. stshinecker 70 him; Mr. stahlnecker
that he had no interest In the Quarries but that
his faI her mad not and never had had. Witness
was satisfied on the subject and made the ap-
pointment.
THE SPEAKER cRoss-ExANMKD
Cross-examination was begun by Mr.. wilson
The witness said there was some discussion as to
whether the committee should 60 into the Ques-
ton as to whether the Speaker had told Mr.. Smith,
meyer that Mr.. Stahlnecker's father had interest
The committee decided that the witness should
make q statement on the subject II he SO desired
Gen. williams, on the part Of Mr. Smithmeyer, he
did not know that there was any marble in Mr.
Stahlnecker's district, nor that he had father
living. All his Information on the subject came
from Gen. Williams who quoted Mr.. Smithmeyer
as his authority. Witness had not, he said told
Mr.. Smithmeyer that Mr.. Stahlnecker's father had
an interest In the marble Witness described the
interview between himself and Mr.. Stahlnecker on
the subject. He SAID tnat Mr.. Stahlnecker lad
said TO him that neither he nor his father had any
interest In the Quarres; that the nearest they had
ever come 70 It was that the people interested in
tne quarles naa once wanted 70 appoint his father
that his father had refused He
DI6CLAIAED ANY PERSONAL INTEREST IN THE MATTER
whatever, ana declared that he was embarrassed
by having these Quarries In his district; there
were several OF them, and they were an annoy
stances. He explained to the speaker that be mad
been urged by political friends-w1tness thought
he said pol1ttcat-to see Smithmeyer on the sub
ject, but had refused to do so until he had first
spoken TO members or the commission as TO the
propriety OF his doing such thing. The mem.
bers OF the commission he spoke to thought there
would not be any improperly In his calling atten.
ton TO the stone. and h. had thereupon done So
asking merely that II be considered on its merits
Witness could not remember all that was said
but he was fully satisfied that
MR. sTALHNEcK1R HAD NO INTEREST IN THE HArrEp
Otherwise he would not have appointed him
There had been less importuning tor his appoint
ment to the Craftsmanship OF the committee on
library than In most other cases
WHAT THE sPIAKRR SAID TO Mr.. snITHNHYgR
As to the statement OF Mr.. Smitnmeyer that the
Speaker had said that the architect would not be
further prosecuted by Mr.. Stahlnecker the witness
said that he had met Mr. Smithmeyer, he did not
the appointment OF Mr. Stahlnecker as Chairman
OF the committee and had said to him in Converse
ti0n that he had made the appointment after BE-
ing assured that MI. Smithmeyer's suspicious were
untOunded.
On further examination by Mr. Coleman "A tn
interviews with Mr.. John Paul Jones aud Senator
voorhees,, the Speaker said that he did not know
Mr.. Jones. but might have had an tnterview with
him; that
he Had ooNvxRSxD WITH SENATOR vooRHRrs
He was asked II he had not told these gentle
men, or one OF them, that he would not appoint
Mr.. Stahlnecker because he was interested In the
marble Quarries. He replied that he had probably
said that Mr. Stahlnecker were Interested In the
quarry ne would not appoint him. Senator voor.