The morning news. [volume] (Savannah, Ga.) 1887-1900, 1888-08-01


ever the subj iect of the communication, it did
not touch his charge that Mr.. Chamberlain
had violated his oath as a cabinet minister.
He could produce letter in Mr.. Chamber
lains handwriting alluding to the defeat
and withdrawal of the police bill for
Ireland in which he gloried in Lord Spen-
GERS discontinue at the withdrawal Of the
measure. GCheers]
EXHAUsTING THE SUBJECT.
The chairman remarked that Mr.. Parnell
seemed to have exhausted his reply to Mr..
Chamberlain's personal explanation, and
that it would be inconvenient TO proceed
with fuller discussion.
Mr. Parnell desired TO say only one thing
more Mr. Chamberlain had stated that
tina interview after the Phoenix Park muir
ders was arranged by Mr.. O'Shea. That
was untrue. He had never informed Mr..
O'Shea that he was going to see Mr.. Cham
berlain. Mr.. OShea did not accompany
him. Justin Mccarthy did Mr.. O'Shea
came afterward.
Mr. Chamberlain said he did not intend
to imply that the subject of the national
councils was the only matter discussed be-
tween himself and Mr. Parnell. Other
matters doubtless were referred to. All he
wished to say was that he had always taken
care to inform his colleagues what had
passed between himself and Mr. Parnell.
dpp6dleu W w COuul III
his statements.
GLADsToNH's REPLY.
Mr. Gladstone said that he did not ques-
tion MIR. Chamberlajn's statement regard
ing the Ktlmainham communication, but
in the present state of his recollection he
would require to know exactly what the
communications were before entering into
them. Referring to the communications
with Mr.. Parnell in 1885 regarding local
government, he said that his
memory accorded with Mr.. Chamberlain's.
Hear, hear.l In the division on Mr.. Reids
amendment the house voted 249 az ainst it
and 1917 for it.
WANTED AN INQUIRY.
Mr. Anderson moved an amendment that
the charges be investigated by a commits
sion to be defined in the schedule.
Mr. Matthews opposed the motion.
The amendment was then rejected by
vote of PAS against 200.
Mr.. Molloy, member for Kings county,
Ireland, proposed an amendment to
modify the clause regarding the allegations
made so as to include only such of them as
the commission might think fit to investi-
gate.
Mr. Matthews objected, saying that the
amendment was useless, since the judges
already had power to select such of the
charges as they deemed worthy Of an in
quiry
HARCOURT'S SEVERE CHARGE.
Sir William Vernon Harcourt charged
the government with refusing to accept the
amendment because Mr.. Webster, the at
torney general, had told them that the
commission must inquire into everything
the Times wished to have Investigated.
They wanted to allow the Times to throw
its dirt without restraint. [Cheers.1 The
ministers were making themselves the con-
duit of the foul water TO be poured upon the
Irish national league. [Oh, oh, and cheers.
Therefore he would not trust the commits
sion to inquire into what it chose to con-
slider tit for investigation.
REFUTED THE IMPEACHMENT.
Bannerman Robertson, solicitor general
for Scotland, Indignantly repudiated the
slanderous accusation that the government
was in collusion with the Times
Sir William Harcourt offered to with
draw his statement if Mr.. Smith would say
that Mr.. Walter, of the Times, had not
been consulted in settling the bill. Par
nellite cheers.
Mr.. Smith replied, in an excited manner:
II thought the charge SO vindictive and
contemplate that it was not worthy of
denial | deny it absolutely, and am
amazed that any gentleman could have
been found in this house who would mako
it," [Cheers.]
Sir William Harcourt then said: LAS l
understand Mr.. Smith to say that he has
not seen Mr.. Walter, l withdraw the
statement"
Mr.. Smith rejoined: 81 did not say that
l have not seen Mr.. Walter [ironical Par
nellite cheers], l simply deny having con-
suited him in reference to the bill.
AN UPRoAR.
An uproar occurred, and amid contending
\ o,.iac Of oh oh Mr. [vr1ith
tinued speaking, but his voice was inaudi-
BILE. The chairman appealed to the mem
bers of the house to remember the traditions
| of the house.
Mr. Smith then resumed his speech, and
said: Il again deny absolutely that had
any negotiations whatever with Mr.. Walter
| regarding the bill. Mr.. Walter has called
upon me- as it is his practice as an old
| friend, but he never saw the bill, and never
had any sort of plan with HIM regarding it.
| [Cheersl
Mr. Gladstone-Are we to understand in
plain terms that Mr.. Smith had no commu-
nication with Mr. Walters on the subject of
the bill9 [Cries of 'hearl hearl"l
THE DENIAL.
Mr.. Smith, stated distinctly that the
| bill was drawn solely without communica-
ton with Mr.. Walters.
Mr.. Harcourt said he wished that Mr..
! Smith naQ Dee0 hDle 10 say JlaU He udu uOlu
| no communication with Mr.. Walters on the
subject of the bill If so he (Mr. Harcourt)
would have been able to withdraw his
statement and apologize TOR having made it.
Mr.. Goschen-Tnea does the honorable
gentleman not withdraw his statement that
| the bill was drawn with the connivance of
| Mr.. Walters or in collusion with the IiD1eST
Sir William Harcourt, in reply, declared
that he held Mr.. Smith in personal respect,
but it was extremely improper that the
| government should communicate with per
sons bringing an accusation, and not with
| the persons accused. AS the facts stood,
| the government now admitted having done
SO. lParnellite cheers.
Mr.. Smith claimed that he had made an
| explicit statement that the bill had been
| drawn without communication with the
Times. Although Mr.. Walters had called
| upon him. there had not been the slightest
reference to the bill either orally or In
writing. [Cheers.]
| TAINTED BY LABoUCHERE
| Mr.. Labouchere said that the govern
ment refused to accept the amendme Mt
because it did not dare to alter word in
| the bill without the permission OF Mr..
| Walter. 1t was admitted that Mr.. Walter
had visited Mr.. Smith on the morning OF
the day on which the latter announced the
bill.
Mr.. Smith-That is not true.
Cries of withdraw" withdraw
came from the opposition benches, and the
! chairman said: "Does the gentleman with