Richmond dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1884-1903, 1888-08-01
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LONDON. July 3i.--Dceate on the bill for
the appointment OF commission 10 inquire
into The 1tiacS'S charges was resumed IN the
House OF Commons this evening.
Dir. smith moved a suspension % the
standing order. under which discussion
OF the commission Dill would be interrupted
50 midnight
Mr.. Psrnell protested against suspension
al the order. lie said II was an amendment
10 continue discussion on a measure OF the
fGt importance after the House had been
sitting nine hours.
Mr.. Smiths motion was adopted by vote
81 81 70 lS9. Dir. Gladstone and others Of
the Opposition voted With the minority and
were checred By the Parneliiics.
IoNpoN. July lin the HoHse OF Com
mons tonight SIR. Parncll, rosuming the de-
ba'e on Mr.. Reid's proposal 10 restrict the
Inquiry into the conduct Of his associates 90
The accusations for murder and violence, said
9Th he referred Yesterday evening 90 the pro-
ceeffDgs Of The Cabinet IN Office from 1892,
which had frequently been diyulRed by Mr..
Chamberlain - himself aud other NATIONAL
ISIS.
~ this point the Chairman intoriered 10
St.te that this line Of observation was not In
order
Mr. ParuegTeplicd that II that were The
Gaze BE- would reserve further statements on
The subject until be came before The commis-
sion, when be would be prepared to prove
rs chqrgcs Nv his own and others evidence
and by documents and statements OF Mr..
Chamberlain himself. lparnelitc cheers
The Nationals, continued Mr.. Parneli, be-
lHyin, that they bad with them the people
Of Englaud ~ they had the people Of
Ireland IN The outside world, were
quite ready 70 meet definite chsrges be-
fere a court or commission, but they
could not meet The innuondOes which
wpnld be Used 70 raise the cloud 81 sus-
p.cion FOR politicsl purposes, Is was not
reasonable 10 ask them 10 20 before the com.
n issiOn unless they we're told who their &C.
ssisers were and OF what they were accused.
such islr pliv might De too much TO beste~
mon Irishmcn. They were told thst they
might extract charges from "Parneilism and
Crime.v He declined 10 use that foul and
libcllouf pamphle. ~ sud his colleagues
were rcidy 10 meet the charges definitely
formulated. II The amendment dit not cover
Sich charges they were willing 10 alter IL.
Mr.. Chamberlain aid that be desired 10
offer o pcrsonsl explanation. Mr.. ParneN
lad made certain vague and shadowy accusa-
ions Ieainsl him. referring 10 he knew not
bat. end bad threatened 20 bring the uccu.
sitiOrs before the cOmmission. Well, II the
charges were germsu 10 the subjects re-
fcrred IN the commission he would be happy
10 give any explanations that might be found
necessary. lie could promise The House that
there would he no Sinking on his part
fChecfs.l As far a. hc could understand the
accusations II was alleged that during the
period from 1876 10 1850 before he was a
minister he had constantly melted the Par
uelltcS 10 do what be was afraid 10 do
hinSlt. That was n very serious
charge. lie WAS perfectly ready To
leave tie question Of his personal
cowardice In the hands of bis friends or even
Of hls enemies. [Chcers.l MIR. Parnel fur
tber accused him OF betraylng the secrets Of
the Cabinet between 1881 and 1856. SO far
as Do rccollfcicd the only direct communlcs.
ton, be bad with Pirucll during the whole
% thst period were as follows: First, com
municaiion relating to parnelPS release from
kimaiuham j1il, and the information OF
what occurred WAS dul, conveyed TO Messrs.
Gladstone and Forster. second. q cOml0u-
nicaton referring 20 the formation Of ma
tjonal councils m Ireland. THIS scheme Mr.
Ptrncll himself bad suggested 10 him. Mr..
Prnell now denied ever having approved
tb,t proposal.
Mr. PANEL: don't assent 10 the propo-
ssl 10 establish natlOnal council In Dublin.
What ! deny Is constituting or asserting to
0hamberlaiu's scheme. lCries Of "llCar
Hear!"]
Mr.. Chamberlain repeated that the scheme
was brought to him by Parnell. lie bad
proof Of this in ParDelrs own haud-not let
tcrs written hy hi, secretary. but in ParnclPs
writing. lChces.l He replied 10 Parneh,
accepting the proposal. ana be promised 10
place them before his colleagues and Try 10
OBTAIN their assent TO them. Everything thst
pissed between himself and pGrnell was i'm
Uediately communicated TO Gladstone aud
Lord Harrington. and the other ministers.
On two other occasions he had had direct |
personal communications with Parneli. One
was in the House OF Commons. about which
be remembers noihing; the other was on the
sundaY after the Ph1nix PARK murders.
Mr.. O'Shta called upon him, bringing Par
nell with him.
Mr. Parneh; That is not true.
Mr. Chamberlain replied that Mr.. O'Shea |
was certainly preset, uut nothing was said |
or done al that meeting which either be or |
parncH bad occasion to conceal or OF which /
BE- could be ashamed. These were all the /
communications direct or indirect that be |
ever had with Mr.. Parneli He would now /
therefore he said, leave the matter in The /
h.ads ~ the House. Cheers
Mr. Parnell desired 10 say only one thing /
more. Mr.. Chamberlain had stated that the /
interview aYicr the PbGoiX.Park murders /
Was arranged uy Mr. Oshea. That was I'M
true lie had never informed Mr. O'Shea
that ne was going 70 so Mr. Chamberlain.
Mr.. O'Shea did not accompany him. Dir.
Justin Mccarthy did. Mr.. O'Shea came
afterwards.
MIR. Chamberlain said he did not intend 20
imDlY that the subject 81 national councils
was the only matter discussed between hun-
self and Mr. Paruell. Other matters doubt
Joss were referred 90. All he wished 10 say
Was that be had always taken care 20 inform
DIS colleagues OF what had passed between
him and Mr.. PArneil. lie appealed to Mr.
Gladstone TO confirm his statements.
Mr. Gladstone said that he did not cues
;iOn M ChambCriam's statement regarding
the kllmainham communications, but IN the
present state OF his ICcOiections be would
require 10 know exactly What the CommCui-
cations were before entering INTO them. Re-
ieging 90 the communications with Parnell
80 $50 regarding local government. he said
that his memory accorded with Mr.. Chamber.
lhn's. flo4r Ilearl
In the division on Mr.. Reds amendment
the House voted 30 against u and ~ for Il.
MI. Anderson moved an amendment that
the charges be investigated by a commission
10 be defined Ia schedule.
Nj. Matthews opposed the MOTION.
The amendment was then rejected by a
vote OF 24j against 200.
Dir. john Morley proposed an amendment
90 modify the clause regarding the allegations
made 50 ~ 10 include only such Of them ms
The commission mil nt think II necessary 10
Investigate.
Mr. Matthews objected, saving that the
amendment was useless since the judges
already had the power TO select such OF the
charges ~ they deemed worthy o. an Inquiry.
Sir William Vernon HlreouTt charged
The Government with refusing 20 accept the
amendment becalse Mr.. Webster, the At
bad told them that the COM
mission must inquire into everything the
mes wished To have Investigated. fhey
wanted 10 allow the fiHcs 10 throw It's dirt
without restraint. tCheers.l The Ministers
were making themselves a conduit Of foul
\, alter 10 be poured upOn the Irish National
League. f'On! OH" and cheers.J There
fore be would not trust the commission 10
inquire into what Il chose TO consider tit for
the Investigation.
Mr. Baunermau Robertson, Solicitor Gem