New-York tribune., 1888-08-24

Leaving this subject Mr.. boaruman turpo' ''''
Grace's attention to the passage Of the bill remoV-
ing the Mayor and Controller from the Aaueduc'
Commission. 49,. -
o-M.voy Hewitt has testified that he found no
n,ss.ss against that piece Of lesssou in the Mayors
ssace although he states 10 his letter 70 tne oo,e.
that the law was passed against the pr0'es' r,s,,
ruunic,pal authorities Of New.York Can you eA'
tA.,, A-The Mayor ives right In both cases nc
feund no record there was no ~r'''en "eo,u
IN thu Mayors effce. and Q. the same ome ee Ano"
through hs secretary that hsa mA"' ''''"" w
xast "a Governor Hill himself ,,
o-A. an lpdI,tdusl or an onhc,ai A-or'cia"y'
o-Nov state how you protested against u, "ner
ron NV the Governor and exactly Nha' o'A p
n..veen you AL believe IL wss the 'sS' "me
- - a. ..ve .ny conference with him, 90 oon'
so,s., II The Governor either sent for me OF "en
70 eau on him At the Hoffman House Thas ws Ve
tween tie time that the Dill passed sna zoe YIN, ~m' -
,ave nj, approval H. l told MIN tnst nc mus ~.
.-n., that the then Mayor and Controller OF tne O'S
a, N.wYork were specifically elected oy .ne peoP'.
,,,h ths view Of their having the duty OF 'ne osio
,,. .op.duct upon them, thai 1t was clean issue
ou, before the people in the campaign 'ha' VIZ
H., and Controller we're removed the city ~ouu "
renr.ssnted By nobody but Mr.. Squire. wnom . '"
:. kn.v and I knew an entirely uhnt rep,o
~. ~ the city of Ncw-York and an unreiaote one
= vent on 70 explain 10 the Governor that "e ~ 80.
:. ma and that he had said TO the pubic oeiVls ~
election that he would be faithful 70 'ne p sv,n,
home rule tor cities that IS DemocrsN ..,,oo 'aa
made such pledges 1t would be his po"''o"' , ,,a,
:, hs ever aligned q bill that would remove from VIM
rr,at work the only guardians who nao oeen 49," osn
sy the people care for their 'n'eiessN . woI vou
siderable talk the Governor said 70 "s Int
are man OF many protes"' ~ ,s,
A%v % w ,ha. will have ma'
bnl called back by the Senate and anenoeo W 80 p1
b.ck the Mayor and Controller or IL WIN "e,. I,,.n
law III consequence OF that l OF eo" s,.,an, cr.,
o,otsst taking the Governors ~ora ~ su"'''0 s
sn,ea %, me that the bill would not become . 'a"
w.s,r THIS ALONE THAT PARTED THEM
o-n,a ,ou ever say TO anybody that you wouia 90
a;,d TO DO relieved Of your duues on 'he s 0
A-Never as orfcial may na's .e"'' ,,.a ~ =,
n 90 .ou. one that l would be glad to DO renewed Oh
these duties. ...,r,
senator Fassett--You never said that at Albany a.
Nobody ever asked TO speak for h a. A'''n'
MI Scott and he can be csliea u.uun,o.,.
Mr. Boardman-Did the Governor ever conia''"oeV'
-.,n ,ou after signing the bili' A.-No, Sir never
have had q conference with the Governor since,
o-How long after your talk Wild MN ol1 ne 'hkn ''
A.--A few days sfterward ,, a.,
n.u.huc. btlt A-Eo except that met him casually
At Mr. Mannngs funeral have neither cAuea On NJ"
nor had any conference with him since
o-po you know william l. Muller1 Al 40.
owhsp did you make his acquaintance' A-well
40 no, remember bu, II was through Governor Hin
snd a the Hoffman House -
MULLER WOULD DO AS WELL AS HILL HIMSELF
o-Nov state Mr.. Grace, what the Governor saio 10
,su 70 ANYTHING about Mr. Muller 81 the time he intro
uuoed Mr Muller to you Al don't remember OF nus
having said anything particular at that time a..
I'D remember announcer ocCds'ou "neh "' 49,
say anything about MI Mulieri Ayes after the
Governor Vas elected
o.-wbere was this conversationf A.-At the Holman
House. .
o-How long 1t after he was eectedf A'-hi'or
hs vac elected and before his Inauguration
oWbu. vou were Msyor7 Ayes The Governor
ssid 10 me ths, Mr. Muller often In Ne~'York ana
th., sny communications OF confidential character that
desired might make TO MI Muiief ana io0A
upon him as representing the Governor
o-Whst ala you say IN the Governor about that7 A..
told the Governor whenever had confidential
tnaiters would treat with him alone
Odd you ever any conversation with MI
Muller about Aoueduct cOntrsca or about the AQueduct
bulf A.-No sir never
Odd you ever talk with him about the Commissioner
Of Public worksi Ayes Mr. Muller came to me at
nv house after the Inauguration OF Governor
Hill and before removal Of Squire. After talking
about many different things he told me that he knew
was anxious rid OF Mr.. Squire and that II would
agree TO Mr.. James s. Coleman. the then street
Cleaning Commissioner, for Squirrels Office. he being
friend OF the Governor and Of mine would be salts
ctory all parties and that they would get Squire
regnston would be better to have no scandal
about his removal 1t might burt the Democratic party
replied that did aoout making any deals or
n promises l do not remember that mentioned whom
would appoint the Governor got squlres resgns
~ uon Mr. Muller ceased TO have much Interest In the
conversation.
ODD you hear from him again on that suoecti
A-Never.
vh this Aoueduct which you desire make state
uent about or any matter In connection with this
Investigation which you desire to make any statement
about before you leave the sand1 Al read very care
fully the testimony OF Messrs Squire and Flynn. gvon
during my absence In Europe. and would like to make
statement which have here In writing In explanation
Of my OF their testimony. II that Is permissible
Mr Boardman-B Before that Mr. Grace, would like to
ask you about cts for cons Is and IA let to
John Brunton Co. Did you have any for letting
those John BrunoD Co. except that they were the
lowest biddcrsi A-None In the world. except that
Investigated bid and their bondsmen
o--The assertion has been made here that man who
was your private secretary that time had Interest
In tho contract Do you know anything so ut that A.
know that the gentleman to whom you refer Mr. motifs
SON. vas not my private secretary that time. know.
further that instead his suggesting Brunton
Co. him Inquire Of him TO the standing Of
Mr.. Ryan. OF St Paul. and he confirmed my own views
which we're that Ryan Of great responsib ,y
Mr.. Morrison can called upon the stand
fectiy satisfied that he had Interest in Brunton
4 Co. their contract
CHANCE TO CONTRADICT SQUIRE AND FLYNN.
Senator Fassett now told the witness that there
was no objection to the written statement which
he wished to give. 1t was short. and ran as fol-
lows:
sauires statements the enecs that talked with
% sbout his OF resignation his letter TO Flynn
or ever threatened to remove him from ONCE or talked
With him coptro Of his Office sought through
Liquidation to deprive him Of any Of his official functions
are all untrue The bills be attributed 10 me were most
f them good measures the result OF the work OF
the Senate Committee and did not emanate from me.
F1ynns statements the effect that ever gave him or
sny one to would appoint Thompson or
.ny one else Commissioner Of Public Works or asked
him to ask oBrien any else 70 urge the Governor
nat 10 veto the bill making the President OF the Fire De-
nartment an AQueiuct Commissioner or ever suggested
hs F1ynns taking Squire 70 Europe or ever talked Win
him Flynn at my houe elsewhere about my nomina'
t,on or any meetings OF any kind all Incorrect.
THIS WITNESS WAS TOO SKILFUL TO BE
TRAPPED.
The ex-Mayor was then committed TO the ten
der merces OF De Lancey Nicoll which are some
times cruel But the able counsel Tor The MI
nority did not succeed in reducing this witness
to the state Of nervous prostration which is SO
often the result of his keen cross-examn nations
of less self-possessed people than Mr., Grace His