The Indianapolis journal., 1888-07-31

also. The government might readily have Sc
leeted another judge. one TO whom there could
have been no objection.
Mr.. Goschen said that Mr.. Morley had not
shown the letter to any Minister until to-day
Ii the letter was intended to have any effect
upon the governments selection it ought to have
been shown earlier.
Mr.. Morley declared he only got the letter on
Saturday.
Mr. Goscheu said that nothing was known by
the government regarding how much the letter
might De biased They had no time to COM
municate with Justice Day to ask about the ac-
curacy OF the reported private conversations OF
Mr. Adams. The government were entirely
ignorant of the politics of Justice Day. Both
Justcs Day and Justice Smith were raised TO
the bench under Mr.. Gladstones government.
Mr. Parnell said he had heard every official
accused OF Jury-packing declare that he knew
nothing about the politics or religion OF the Ju-
rors. But. somehow, 1t always happened that
Orahsemen were the Jurors put on juries to try
Nationalists aud Catholics The government
could no longer plead ignorance in regard TO q
one unionist The world would know to-mor-
row that the governments idea of fairness was
that the Nationalists should be tried by jury
OF thre English political opponents.
Upon division. the vote stood, for Justice Day.
269; against him, $50. The names Of Justice
Hanaen and Justice Smith were agreed to with
out @ division.
Mr.. Anderson moved TO omit the word ''alle-
cations in the clause empowering the commits
mission to "inquire into the charges and allega-
tions against certain members Of the House OF
Commons"
Mr.. Sexton consended that the word was
vague and useless. giving. in his opinion, an in
definite scope to the inquiry.
Sir VIM. Vernon -Harcourt challenged the gov
ernment to explain the meaning of the word
allegations"
SoIicitor-eeneral Clarke declined to do so.
whereupon Sir William said: THE object of the
retention of the word appears to be to admit
every kind OF calumny, unrestrained by any Of
the judicial principles lying at the foundation OF
justice"
Mr. Sexton said that the government was 60
ing further in behalf of the Times than the
Times itself desired to Co.
After nearly three hours' discussion the
amendment was rejected-265 to 200
Mr. Z. T. Reid. Liberal proposed an amend.
ment restricting the inquiry to accusations OF
completely In murder or violence
Mr. Matthews said that the object of every
amendment on the paper was to limit and con-
tract the scope Of the inquiry. II Mr.. Reids
amendment were adopted it would exclude arson
and intimidation. He reminded the III ouse that
the charges were not confined to completely in
crime, but extended to conformation and con-
nivspce.
MIR. T. P. O'Conuor thought it hardly decent
that the bill should be defended by Mr.. Mat
| thsws. who owed his introduction into political
| life to ODonovan Rossa He supported the
amendment, but was willing to have it altered
| so to include condonance of crime.
Mr. Matthews denied Mr. OConuors assertion
with reference TO the formers entry into polt-
| icai life.
Mir. OConnor repeated his statement adding
that Mr. Matthews owed his first election to the
| unpopularity of Sergeant Parry, which secured
| for MIR. Matthews the Fenan vote.
Mr.. Matthews admitted that he owed his cleo
ton TO the demerits OF Sergeant Parry, but de-
MED that he had ever seen or communicated
with ODonovau Rosa.
| Sir 6. o. Trevelyan said that it was an impor-
tant amendment IL the opposition had thought
the bill was wanted for any other purpose than
to inquire into completely in Grimes the bill
would never have been read q second time.
Mr. Chambe opposed the amendment. t.
The object, he said. was not to inquire into the
Plan Of Campaign or boycotting. except so far as
necessary TO show completely in crime AL
| though he was no lawyer, he ventured to say
that if the amendment was carried it would be
impossible to inquire into the first letter which
| tho Times attributed to Mr.. Parnell, and II
would shut out many of the Times's charges.
Mr. Parnell said he had not before had an op
! postnDIty to acknowledge the compliment Mr..
| Chhmoerlain paid him on a recent occasion.
| HILeeol,ecsion of Mr.. Cham berlain was that
bel he was Minister he was always anxious
| to puJ the Irish party forward to do work which
| he himself was afraid to do After he became a
| Minister he was always most anxious to betray
| to the Irish party the secrets OF the Cabinet
| and to endeavor. while in the Cabinet, to under
mine their councils and plans in the interests oi
the Irish party. II the inquiry was extended to
| these matters be would be able to make good
his words by documentary and other evidence
| that had not been forged.
| At this point the debate was adjourned.
During the absence of the Speaker from the
| chair q member referred to Mr. Chamberlain az
Judas" Chamberlain. When the Speaker re
| turned Mr.. Chamberlain complained of the in
| suit
Mr.. T. P. O'Connor thereupon withdrew ths
| Objectionable language and expressed regret.