St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1888-08-02
AN ENDLESS DEBATE.
Discussing the Parnell Commission Bill
in the Commons.
SCOPE OF THE MEASURE.
How Far Shall the Commission Be
Allowed to Go in Their
Investigation?

LONDON, Aug. 1.-The debate on the
Parnell commission bill was resumed in
the house of commons this evening.
Mr.. Balfour said that Mr.. Matthew's
speech of last night contained what the
government had stated all along.
Sir Lyon Playfair contended that Mr..
Matthews enormously widened the
scope of the bill. Mr.. Matthews
now stated that the inquiry was into the
organization which induced crime,
whereas the Liberals had been led to
believe that the bill was for the purpose
of enabling certain members to clear
their characters.
Mr.. Bradlaugh declared that Mr..
Matthews had made out
AN ABSOLUTELY NEW CASE.
Mr.. Chamberlain reiterated that he
would have been glad If the range of
the proposed inquiry had been limited,
but he had never suggested limit re-
garding persons.
Mr.. Gladstone said that the govern
ment's agreement had been entirely
and absolutely changed.
Mr.. Balfour said that Mr.. Gladstone,
on the eve of an inquiry, had pro-
nOunced
THE LETTERS FORGERIES.
Mr.. GladStone-I said was justified
in concluding that there was motive
for the remarkable way in which the
letters were thrown into the shade.
MIR. Reid offered an amendment that
the commission inquire into the charges
only so far as they bear upon charges
and allegations against members OF the
house.
MIR. Seyton-The inclusion of outside
persons in the
INQUIRY WAS IRRELEVANT
Mr.. Smiths friend, Mr.. Walter, had
not wished others than members in
cluded until he saw that the only chance
of escaping disgrace and averting the
ruin of the Times was to get rowing
inquiry regarding persons over whom
members had 10 control.
Mr.. Matthews said the inquiry was
not into the conduct of members, but
into their capacity as members OF an
OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION.
Mr.. O'Donnell, in a published state
ment, had said that Frank Byrne was
only the agent of guiltier and wickeder
persons.
II. p. O'Connor-Does the gentle
man insinuate that O'Donnell meant US?
["Cries of order and hear"
The speaker called Mr.. O'Connor to
order.
Mr. Mathews said his remarks con-
yeyed an lnsinuation against no one.
Sir William Harcourt said the Opposi-
ton was at last beginning to detect the
real meaning of the bill. Its object was
not to give the Parnellites a chance to
clear themselves, but to inquire into
A POLITICAL ORGANIZATION.
NTr To- al, cot I, hnli II how
in the bill were the result of MIR. Wal
ter's visit to Mr.. Smith. MI. Balfour
admitted that the cabinet, at its meeting
on July II, had decided to include
the words ''and others" If Mr.. Smith
in announcing to the house the refer
ence OF the matter to commission did
not read those words it was doubtless
due to inadvertence. The omission of
the words when Mr.. Smith announced
the commission deserved the cenSure of
the house.
An animated debate was continued
for some time, when the chairman inter
posed and advised a
CESSATION OF DENOMINATIONS.
The amendment was rejected by
vote of PAL to 1874. Mr.. GoSchen said
that Mr.. Smith was absent, owing to
domestic affection. The bills were not
passed. Tomorrow evening he would
remove the remainder of the clauses.
The Parnellits will meet tomorrow to
take action in the matter OF the clauses.