New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1888-05-04

oenoted as aymen all members OF the Church not men,
pers OF annual conferences. II was urged, he said,
tnat the idea of the fathers did not contemplate the
ahnis,on Of women to General Conference but one
smoud interpret what Is meant by what Is said lie
quI,ed from Cooley and story in support Of his VIEW
tlnguish the lay members Of the Church, men and
70 effect that statute did not derive It's force o
Inc as men who framed It, but from the people who rat
ne Question back to the annual conferences as merely
az avoidance OF responsibility and drew an argument
On Tuesday of the action Of the conference of 1872
,., nr Hughey, of the St Louis Conference, made
Buckley, and after short DEPRESSION e his own ar
the end lie said that the decision Of every court
wa based on the ordinary import OF the terms USED
ecclesiastical court and that therefore the term lay
man could not be restricted to men. " Dr. Buckley
days of Moses down to to-day here have been clergy
W., women in the Church. such Deborah, and Huldah
in P the last part Of fSe %Opd aymaa
But the term men IS used express the whole race,
exclude xomsni Except s mar man be born again is
The Rev Dr. Alfred wheeler, Who was member
81 he committee in the Conference which rst TOOK up
mission of women when that committee had re-
IN favor Of lay delegates he ssd b hs se eT
Of the report. lie did not regard this as question
The SHs as a
The General Conference, he maintained had no power
out'the consent of the Annual Conferences. There
possibility that you may make lay delegates
Iarce he added, and pronounced murnur OF dlssent
and derision audible in the house he continued.
The pastors or the presiding elders may elect their heir
own wives to accompany them Us lay delegates. Inc
nation who abandons its conservative principles IS
doomed and the church which docs it has Its history
written
DR.. Luke c. Queai said that the admission Of women
ss not question Of the e. fitness Of ns S Sa
license and expressed his dsapproval OF both. Only
the Annual Conferences and the ltnerant ministry are
admitting women to the General Conference, they
have created and perpetuated that body
DR. J. w. HAMILTON'S TELLING WORDS.
DR.. J. W. Hamilton is a man Of marked individu-
atty, which was reflected in his spcecha brilliant
cession OF good points well put and well taken by the
audience. The very outset Of his address
was distinguished by the unconventionallty
which maintained throughout Brothers, sisters
said he, slowly and deliberately, and round OF ap
plause showed that he was already In touch with a
large number of his hearers
to the composition Of the committee, Of which he is
minority member. He had, he sald recognized the
such as Messrs Buckley, Lanahan, Rothwell
and Others who had been members of previous General
that we might as well sit down and write report
without coming together at all' The following is
Sketch OF his subsequent remarks:
looked TO see II there was anybody in the minority
that had been at another General Conference Ny
nrst impression there none, and my modesty
like Abou Ben Adhem's. made exceeding bold
THE BOLDNFSS OF HIS MODESTY.
When Dr. Buckley read that opinion Of Senator Ed
munis he read the those who
the constitution he does 1t sample of pettio
princpn. 1 don't pretend to know much myself, but
associate with who do: and say he begs his own
question when he says enough is known to the Senate
Enough is not known 10 this body and that we are to
settle.
In regard to his second statement that the intent Of
always define them That may 10 If It Is
but defy man to say It will DO If 1t is law
(Applause)
There are principles underlying law ard sometimes
lawyers lawmakers Constitution. makers build wiser
than they know. we have not had lawyer on
this floor speak l agree with DR.. Wheeler; he says
that discussing Methodist law. Yes, srl but
there principles underlying Methodist aw-appause
and they are as fundamental any law and them
appeal whether in civil directions ecclesiastical
(Applause) We discussing question that Involves
such distinction as one between the
clergymen and the laIty and mere sex
invadate Constitutional guarantees to ndvid
uals (Applause) Tho distinction between man
and woman is not fundamental ecclesiastical distnc-
ton. and this constitution the word male does not
appear.
debate, T say the subtle suggestion Qaughter hav
Ing reference the debate. Sir want, with all due
respect honOred representative In the chair 70
Ter what has appeared in that address as part OF the
DEBATE when It said that hitherto the assumption under
lying the legislation OF the Church that women were
ineligible except by special provisions OF law, that was
very subtle fallacy. 1t Ia the argumentum ab
silentlon the argument from silence. II the constitution
does not mention certain rights in detail
that all such rights excluded No, sir appeal to
any lawyer this floor do not assert true principle
I'm saving that constitution may favor certain questions
that are not expressed detail in it. There are prnci
pies underlying the constitution Itself. (Applause)
NEW PHASE OF AN OLD MEASURE
am fully apprsed that we are discussing here to-day
the advocacy phase OF measure but not new
measure, and am as fully apDrised that THIS Wof' Is
against new things When the first sawm was erected
in Great Britain It was torn down because It dan
ger to the community" (Laughter.) When the first
railroad was run China they tore 1t up, rail and
rolling stock; and II you VIII consult the
traditions habits and intelligence Of the Chinese people,
YOU Will find prejudice strong enough to have scattered
that railroad tho infinite spaces where omnlscence
could not find and omipotence could not put 1t together
again There was deacon in New England chuseh who
withdrew because they put stove In 1t In the winter time
The world is against new things put on peuce HUI vi
principle. (Applause)
Along the of prejudice lie the nqusons aud mas
sacres heard since came here some talk about
the representatives OF the conservative element
having resort courts; some talk OF III
iunctIons and a mandamus and other profane and
unhoy utterances Much laughter and applause That'
OF the law and not OF the Gospel IL ss'0s OIL
prejudice and persecution. too, ike my Dfo'her io
the New-Yory Conference had letter sent 10 me-
TO appear this floor as Catalina. ah not r''o
ZIONIST in the sense Of conspirator but do belong to
body Of believers Of whom said that they had turned
the word upside dcwn. Much appause)
am not to be intmida ted from position L 90 not
think all n this room know me- but who know mo
that like the Alderman from Dublin would not Do
Influenced by hope fear of reward tsugh'
ter and spplause) quito sure that "ouiu hO' 10
inundated when right by even tho threat !" eAp
me from this body. cloud applause =, .L ,ros
Dr Hamilton's time was up before his speech was
quito finished and as he walked to his seat no "a'
long and loudly cheered.
THE AFTERNOON SESSION.
The Conference met again at In the masnins,on
Square Church. OF which the Rev. d. 'o,'i nv. ~
Tbomnson nastor and proceeded to arrange the mem
bersbin 10 tho treIve standing committees. Each
delegation is represented by one member on eaSh
committee, and those brethren who wcro inc 'o'9
representatives of their respective conferences iou
themselves vertable Pooh Bahs' b''hoP 80.