New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1888-12-19
THE SACKVILLE DEBATE.
no DEFINITE INFORMATION OBTAINED
FROM THE FOREIGN OFFICE.

n1XriaANr AND TELLING SPEECH BY LORD
n. munCHuL-MR GLADSTONE TRYING
10 ou RID OF HIS OLD COLLEAGUES
stanley AND EMIN-sIR WILL
IAN PEARCE-MR. BRIGHT
rsY CABLE TO THE TRIBUNE.l
CspyrteM: 1888: By The Ne,o- York Ttotine
Lamdon Dec. le.-The Sackville debate in the
House Of Commons. from which something has
bsen expected came TO nothing Air. Laboucherc,
who tries his hand at everything, led off and
there Are not many serious members in the House
who care to follow Mr.. Labouchere's lead. The
effort TO obtain from the Go, eminent a definite
Answer 70 the question whether they mean TO leave
thu English Legation at Washington vacant till
next March completely broke down Mr.. La
bouchcre's demand repellcd contcmptuously.
No such intention has been announced said Sir
James Ferguson; and nothing more could be
rot out Of him. Members of position on both sides
who honestly wish to prevent Lord Salisbury from
persevcring in his policy of sulks saw 1t was
hopeless to induce the House to put pressure on
Ministers and important dipomatic dificuty
has been turned into joke simply because 1t
has been dealt with in trivial way. Lord Kan
doipb Churchill who had intended to speak, lefo
the House.
! hear however that private remonstrances have
had some weight with Lord Salisbury, who may
Yield to them. II not the American Government
has o choice between submitting TO diplomatic
discourtesy and reSenting it in the usual diplo-
mstic way The pr,ss here takes little notice
Of the matter. "The Times" discusses 1t i'll
temperedly The Daily N"ws7 sharply rebukes
Lord Salisbury for peevishness and obstinacy.
The Sualim business has been once more
thrashed out in the House of Commons with the
usual proportion Of cha1 TO wheat. Last nights
debate was more amusing than instructive Mr..
Morley spoke, Mr. Gladstone spoke Mr..
SAnhops spoke, Lord Randolph Churchill
spoke. They were ali good speeches,
but when all had been delivered nobody
was much wiser than before. 1t was known be-
fore that the Ministry meant to clear out the
dervishes from the vicinity Of Sualdm, do not
mean TO abandon Suakim, and do not mean to
entSr upon q campaign in the Soudan. Nothing
Of real importance beyond that results from three
hours talk yesterday.
The personal incidents were more impressive
than the political or military declarations. Lord
RAndolph's speech was the event of the evening.
He rose without single cheer from his own side
and sst down without All his support came
from Liberals His speech was throughout an at
tack on the Ministry and Ministers He told
the Ministry their policy was silly and Soupid
He told Sir James Ferguson he had met his
question about Suakim with an insufficient an
swer, q 6ippant answer discourteous answer.
He chaffed Mr. Stanhope for his announcement that
the Government knew their own mind 1t IS an
unusual thing xaad Lord Randolph, perhaTS
seriously, for q British Government to know their
own mind He chaned Lord Salisbury about his
unluchy black man" phrase. He ridiculed and
denounced both Lord Salisbury and his colleagues
In the Commons for alleging that an opinion
expressed by the Prime Minister IN the House Of
Lords against the retention OF Suakim In the
Egyptian interest q personal opinion. This
telling and brilliant speech was listened to by
full House with extreme interest," and IS resented
by the Tories with extreme bitterness Ihey
are BEGINNING to understand what they have to
.xpect from the leader they have driven from the
Ministry. They heard with delight of his journey
70 South America, and with chagrn that the
tourney was abandoned; for abandoned 1t Is though
not primarily for political reasons. Mr.. Chaplin,
whose strong point is not discretion challenged
Lord Randolph TO move vote OF censure on the
Government "Give me day!" responded Lord
Randolph, instantly. There could hardly be
more open declaration of hostility.
In default of serious topics, Mr.. Gladstone mas
been indulging in little political gossip. Lord
Hartington's retirement from the Nauonal Lid
eral Club and his refusal to retire from the
both discussed with that laborious precision
Characteristic of Mr.. Gladstone when he wishes
20 be playful He has, however, a serious
object The breach between the two sections
of the Liberal party is not even yet wide enough
for him, and he is doing his best to make IL
forever imassable. The time has come for
them to go,r says the leader OF once united
party "The Liberal Unionists are the most
effective foes we have to deal with" Besldes'
they annoy him He tells us how, and the
passage is pathetic When he speaks IN the House
he requires the sustaining power oil human sympa-
thy. He looks round for it, hoping to see Pro-
fessor Stuarts face, and sees instead MI Flnlays
Professor Stuart is the impulsve Radical who
Jed Mr.. Gladstone into the Doping difficulty.
Mr.. Finlay is an eminent Unionist lawyer
say added Mr.. Gladstone, " there is no pohti-
cal union whatever remaining between the
Liberal Unjonists and the bulk Of the Liberal
party
Last night in the House he again complained |
of Lord Harrington and his friends for sitting |
on the Liberal benches. am speaking" he |
said. for those about me- then he paused, |
" but there are some gentlemen about me for
whom l am still less entitled TO speak than
for those opposite These may seem slight de
tails. To those familiar with club life, with
House Of Commons life, and with Mr. Gladstones
usual reserve on such topics, they signify more
than half a dozen solemn political harangues.
People were glad 70 hear last night that the
Government attach less credit to Osman Dignas
story than at first Experts, however, are still
inclined to believe it true that EDin Pacha is
ca injured, but untrue that Mr.. Stanley is with
him. Mr. Joseph Thomson, whose authority is
high. expresses singularly positive belief that
MIR. Stanley was not captured, and an equally
positive conviction that he and his whole force
were annihilated before reaching Wadela
With Sir William Pearce dies a man of genius
He began life as a shipwright, entered the great