New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1888-04-29

mat Squire, having agreed TO resign, should be
lnuuced 20 do 90 and 20 to Europe with Flynn
as ne would doubtless prefer that TO being ham
inereu Dy the newspaper
MR. GRACE AND THE GovERNoRsHIP.
When the witness went to Europe, he understood
hr. trace was to be a candidate for Governor, and
.nat the change in the Aqueduct was to strengthen
MS influence. The Mugwump element was TO be
secured by the appointment to an once Oh Mr.
Deming, young Republican OF Brooklyn. Mr.
trace subsequently promised to appoint ID. Lowber
smith the promise being made TO prominent
Rontean, VINO went out to Mr. traces nome at
| Mr.. WINS interfered.
Inns led Flynn TO repeat conversation he had
with the astute WINS which well entities the
latter To be ranked as the greatest political and
sophistleal suggester OF the age. In urging
On the witness peculiar line OF
hall for second term. Mephistopheles
Iylns said to Faust Flynn: Have you read The
PRINCE, by Macchiavelh?'
~1hereupon," reports Flynn, he made quo
tatlon from 1t. do not remember the exact
words, words; but it was something to the effect
that the greatest political achievements
were made by those princes who used
cunning collision and subtety laughter and that
they overcame those whose integrity had impellel
them TO be superstitiously exact. Renewed laugh
| ter told him that was not my KIND OF pontlcs,
and did not want anything TO do with it, Wins on
one occasion also said: Remember the remark Of
|
| feed them on straw Naughter
| OF all these things and many more did the wit
scandal has never before been publicly heard in
one single hour.
| COMING TO THE GOVERNORS NOTE
II he had been allowed to proceed in this vein,
Mr. Flynn would probably have entertained the
audience all day long, but ne was suddenly pulled
up by Judge Tracy with the question:
| Why did you indorse that note Of Governor
Hilrs?"
He wasn't the same witness after that. His
mouth closed like clam at high water. He
hemm'dl" and hawedl" and strol1ed his mus
tsche and the answers he did give were at first Of
the will-o the wisp order. Because" he replied to
] General Tracy, because it was one of the notes
that came along. | was interested for other
people in the Aqueduct contract at that time, and
I Endorsed that as I would any other note"
He went on to testify with more precision that
he bought oone-sixth interest in the Aqueduct
| tract for friends as there was a great deal OF
money to be expended, and Mr. Clark and Mr.
O'Brien were willing to have others join with
them in the prosecution Of the work He had an
| agreement or contract in writing with them, but
| in May or June of $50, year after it was made
his friends, thinking there was no money IN it,
surrendered their interest
Q.-were you Interested in Section 121 A-No, sir:
Q-Why did not your contract include that sections
A-wen, surrendered my interest in Section IL for
reasons Of my own
mutual Agreement between Mr. oBrsn-1 stated to
OBren Clark that would not insist upon an inter
HIS RELATIONS TO THE NOTE
Q-were you at this time lndorser that notes
Al was
Q-Tow did you come to go off and cease to bel
It appears that you did at some time. Alt was
understood the last time signed that It would be
paid at its next maturity
o-out Of what was IT to be patd' A-Wen, 1t
al know that where was the money to come
fro me Al 70 dG make O' sny statement r0pf1
regard to that.
General Tracy beat about the bush in the hope
that he would get at the witness some other way.
Flynn said:
Mr.. Clark brought me the note for $4,000 and
said It a note that had been discounted for the
State Committee and asked me to indorSe IL. old
o-As an endorscr. where was It stated the money
he u tS cong 5 Sm y The cannot
drew the money out Of tho bank
Mr.. Flynn said TINT ne had had conversation
with Mr.. Muller Hills supposed law partner
about tho contract for Section IL; he was very
anxious for O'Bren e. Clark to get that contract
WAS THE NOTE TO BE PAID FROM AoUEDUCT
PROFITS
General Tracy then put this question: " ask
you whether it was not said to you at or about
the time Won ceased to be indorser upon this
note or while you were an indorser upon the note,
that you ought to give up your interest in Section
> or claim no interest in Section IL, because the
profits Of that section would be appropriated to
the payment of this 81 600 note
Flynn again hung fire. lie didn't consider
that proper" question. ~
There was q great deal Of squabbling witness
batting and consultation over this AT last T.
T. Loyatt, counsel for OBrlen q Clar KS sai Ia
that so far as that firm was concerned they dld
not object to the witness answering the question.
Mr.. Flynn might have some private reason Ior
declining to answer the question: but q Brien o.
Clark had nothing to conceal, and they hoped
Mr. Flynn would answer the question. MI.
Loyatt gave an account OF the pontlcal assess
meut made upon the firm OF Clark a. y brlen,
and they had no objection TO anything done py
them in that connection being made pubic; MS
clients repudiated any suggestion OF tnere oelns
corruption in anything they hau oone vi III 0ol-
nection with the contract -,
Mr. PAYNE. who had hitherto maintained the
mastery inactivity required OF friends OF inc
Court" thereupon unsealed ms chenbs Ups anu
advised him to answer the question
The chairman-well that was the advice the chair
man was giving. Qaughterl - ,
THE PROFITS WERE TO GO FOR POLITICS
Mr.. FLYNN said by way of answer to the original
question
There was conversation of that character. ,.,
Q-With whom that conversational A-Witn
Q.-What was said on the subject Al suggested
10 Mr. O'Bren, oaning tho enormous sums ne L nsI
been obliged tosuscrbe for political purposes when
regarded as perfectly legitimate, that the interest or
profit in section L. should be set aside TOT INC P h
pose OF relieving himself and myself and ANYBODY wno
had obligations on account Of political assessments
Q-what political assessments were referred ca 600 no
A-Therc this note Of $4,000, another Of so,VDo
and other less sums. local assessments for oher
purposes.
The witness added that the understanding n ta
been, that he should have an interest IN au t1e
contracts, although when the agreement was Inade
the contract for Section I2 had been swaTaea:
AS to the scheme put forth In inc VIM Io had
TO reOrganize the Aqueduct Commission ne nau
always understood it was originated BY the EN-
inent Republican Hamilton FISH, j.
Odd you ever talk with Hamilton FISH on the
subject Al never did but on one OCCASION
II was now halGpast 1 and the committee al
iourned for three quarters of an hour Tor lunch
con.
DEMOCRATIC po4T1cs INVESTIGATED.
The first witness examined after the recess was
Judge Alton b. Parker, Of the supreme CourU
This was done for the sake OF his convenience
In answer to General Tracy he stated tnaC nc wac
elected chairman of the Executive Committee OF
the Democratic State Committee in 1882 aithousn
hc was M, n roevnher NJ the State Committee.