New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1888-08-02
THE PARNELI. COMMISSION.
CONTINUING THE MRID DISCUSSION.
coNrrIsoRYl TERMINATION OF THE DEBATE
THREATENED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

coNrrIsoRYl TERMINATION OF THE DEBATE
THREATENED BY THE GOVERNMENT.
London, Aug. lon the resumption of the
debate in the House Of Commons to-day on the
Parnell Commission bill Mr.. Balfour, Chief Sec
rotary for ireland, said that the speech of Home
Secretary Matthews last night, in which he said
= the Judges already had the power to select
spcb charges as they deemed worthy of an
,noulryo contained what the Government had
oil along stated
Sir Lyon Playfair Liberal, contendcd that Mr..
Matthews had extended the scope of the bill to
an enormous extent. Mr. Matthews now said
the inouirJ- was into an organization which induced
crime. whereas the House had been led to believe
that the bill was intended TO enable certain men,
bers TO clear their characters
Mr. Bradlaugh declared that Mr.. Matthews
had made out an absolutely new case.
Mr. Chamberlain repeated his statement that
he would have been glad if the range of the pro-
posed. inquiry had been limited, but he said he
had never suggested limit regarding persons
Mr. Gladstone said the Governments covenant
had been entirely and absolutely changed. He
said his party would take care that the country
should understand the proceedings. lCheers
Mr.. Balfour said that Mr.. Gladstone on the eve
Of the inquiry had pronounced the opinion that
The Timess7 letters were forgeTies
Mr.. Gladstone-I said that / was justified in
concluding that there must be motive for the
extraordinary way in which the letters were now
being thrown into the shade.
Mr. Balfour said Mr. Gladstone's remarks were
most improper He denied that the Government
had altered the bill or changed their positions.
Mr. Reid. Liberal. offered an amendment pro-
vidinr that the Commission shall inquire into
charges and allegations only in so far as the same
mar hear upon the charges and allegations against
members
Mr. Sexton said he had gathered from the
spceches of the Ministers and their supporters
that they only desired inquiry into the alleged
compGcity Of members with crime. 10 lncluqe
the conduct Of outside persons was irrelevant,
except ia so far as it might throw light on the
assumed guilt Of members. Mr. Smlths
friend Walter at first did not wish that other
rersons should be included but when he visited
Mr. Smith he knew that the letters he had pub
lished in The Times" would be proved 10 be
forgeres. that his charges against members would
break down and that the only chance he had OF
escaping disgrace and the ruin of The Times
was 10 get rowing inquiry into the conduct OIL
persons over whom members had no control ana
thus misicad the public mind
Mr. Matthews said The primary object OF
the bill is to secure investigation into charges
of what have been properly described as cata-
logue Of melancholy and disSracefu crimes re-
carding which the Government thought u OF pun
lie importance that the whole truth should DE
known The inquiry is not INTO the cohuucO VI
members as members, but in their capacity as mem
bers of an outside organization shOuld nave
tbourht that in order to completely establish their
innocence they would have desired the inquiry
70 he full and complete Mr.. O'Donnell in a pub
Eshed letter said that Frank Byrne was only the
agent of more guilty and more wicked persons
Mr. T p O'Connor-Does the Right Hon Mem
Der insinuate that he meant US d! IOrles VI
Order!- and Hear Ilear')
The Sneaker called Mr.. O'Connor TO order, ana
Mr. Matthews continued. He said he nad con-
veved no insinution against any one IL he hao
,nfended TO make a personal charge he would
have done it in plain terms
Sir William Vernon Harcourt said II the pro-
,raction of the debate on the bill required any
justification. il would be found in Mr. Matthewss
specch. 1t was only by persistent pressure thaV
the Onposition were at last beginning TO detect
the real meaning Of the bill Cheers III now
sppeared that the Governments object IN creanng
the Commission was not to give tnc IdIIie!i Iit t
members an opportunity TO clear IleinselN - 80. "
fon1 and calumnious charges, but to inquire lnto
a political organization ,o IN tho
Mr. Healy said he believed the cnahse t III NJ NJ
hill was the result Of Mr.. Walters Vlslt 10 MI
NJ Balfou- admitted that the Committee OF the the
Cabinet on July lldecided TO include ana olneie I,
n tnI fa Cabinet assentcd II Mr. Smith in
nOuncng the reference IN the itoGse' dlu hoI I te
the words and other persons IL Was uouO'i0'S
M Gladstone said he thought the conduct OF
,bn Ministers in sitting silent when Mr Smltn an
nounced the Commission setNra cHHns scnsurc UTr
Mr. Goschen said he did not think thaU iaI Sdr;
Gladstone in the whole course oil MS NE hau
acted now in declining 10 recUeN sn,nr,c n,r in
Cenuitv of speech could alter the fact that the
Intentions of the Government from uhe ilSO "'ie
to include = other persons. bO had not
the sif' smallest intention 10 deal with the
matter as a question involving the ruin ruin
iuess Of the Government but tine Sr sain- in-
mcnt of the Government was not rauohal or III
81 William Vernon Harcourt said that the
whole course of tho Government had been a q re re-
SnloI 10 accept the words of the Parnelltes,
Icbile rcadv 10 indorse and promote every caIumhy
Of the fou1cst kind Would the OovcrmeC ~ now ,rT
~ fix moon them charges OF perjury ana ialsehoou
II the members wanted TO sec ~" trnc uhlalfcss
and hypocrisy that lay behind the nil nc cSi Wr
mended them TO the frank innocence OF MI
The Chairman here advised n cessation Of re-
a division on M. Feds amendment was then
taken and the amendment was reJected-24l 10
1874. ,,. cuoixh ,rho
was una bic TO be present on account OF uoHes,,
nc acton, stated that if the bill was hoI tasseu
by the close of tO-mOrrOWS sttlns Ne ""uiu iiio
that the remainder OF the clauses and amend,
ments be forthwith put. Cries OF On! on an"
cheers. :, ill
The Parnellite members Of Parliament VIII
meet tomorrow TO arrange line Of DEMONSTRATION
against the proposed compulsory termination ol
the debate.
Mr.. EGAN sUSTAINs PARNELL~
indianapolis. Ind. Aug. I.-Patrtck Egan, expires
dent Of the Irish National League OF America. who
was in the city yesterday TO pay his respects TO
General Harrison, interviewed last night, Just
prior to his departure for the West. by the
spoDdent OF the Associated Press Parnel Com
mission and its probable effects upon the Irish