The Indianapolis journal., 1888-01-07
ANARCHY AND SOCIALISM
Explanations of the Difference Between
the Two by Rappaport's Witnesses.
EeversI Well known Citizens. Who in Various
Ways Believe in Social Reform. Give Tes-
timony Regarding Their Principles.

All mernbers of the sociallstic society and
read.rs of the German Tribune, Mr.. Kappa
ports paper.
Herman Lieber was the first witness. He
said he had known Mr.. Rappaport for twelve
years, and had never regarded him IS an An
archist He did know that he was Socialist
The witness was cross-examined at length by
~x-Prosecutor Harding relative to the principles
OF anarchy and socialism. Anarchism. Mr.
LLieber said. taught that the people should rule
without law or authorities. Socialism" said
The, sis pretty hard to define. 1 am Socialist
TO some degree. 1 am in favor of the gas trust.
THAT is socialism am also in favor of passing
. law that will equally distribute the
wealth of the country"
Are you in favor of revolution Of the wage
systeml" was asked.
'.No. sir. stop there. That is not my kind
of socialism
.sAre you in favor OF abolishine the Presi-
dency7"
81 am. beiieve that he is the fountain of
sll corruption. am in favor Of making Con-
gress the fountain of power"
Didn't socialism and anarchy originate about
the same time in France, and go hand in hand
in bringing about the revolutionp
''That is so."
Didn't Socialists carry the red flag in the
revelation, and go hand and hand with the An
Archists"
''They did"
''Now, would you be in favor of that kind of
socialism in this countryp
'I certainly would not"
The attention of the witness was called to the
headlines Mr. Rappaport put over the account
of the execution of the Chicago Anarchists, and
he asked if Socialists iudorsed such senti-
sments.
Il would say that Rappaport goes further
than would / am in favor OF a peaceable revo-
luton" was the reply.
The object of socialism is the same in Ameri-
ca it was in France. is it mott" was next asked
sit is, j suppose"
How would you bring about the desired re-
scltsl"
There is but one way. and that is by the
ballot. Any man who favors any other method
is a fool. Any who force in accom-
plishing end is Anarchist Suppose the
Prohibitionists who want to rid the county OF
saloons should use violence or dynamite in get
ting the saloons out of the way, then they would
Fbe Anarchists" The witness said he had
In the newspapers the statement that Rarpaport
was Anarchist.
Mr. Rappaport, on redirect examination
asked Mr.. Lieber if he did not know that Ger
man socialism, and French socialism we're quite
different, and that there few German
Socialists in France, and Mr.. Lieber said such
| was the
The second witness was DIR. Theodore Wag-
-ner. He said he had known Mr.. Rappaport for
/ twelve years, and had been a constant reader of
| his paper. He did not consider him Anarch-
fst. On examination he was asked;
what would you about man who con-
kdemns the court that tried the Chicago Anarch-
lists. and calls the trial conspiracyP
II should say that it would no more make him
san Anarchist than the Sentinel damuing the
cowardly souls of the Supreme Court would
make it's proprietor Anarchist. The judg-
ment of the men in both instances might be at
fault
.'You are not Socialist"
mo, sir. / do not know enough about the
fn nd
"Did not the Socialists join the Anarchists in
the French revolutionl"
''I do not know that socialism exists in
France to any great extent The men who
incited the revolution known as
reds AS individuals the Socialists might have
taken part in the revolution. but as a body they
did not"
Dr. Pink was the next witness, and testified
that he was acquainted with Rappaports views
He not Anarchist but Socialist. The
Doctor was simply asked about his nativity, and
said that he was Prussian and that there
much socialism in that country
Prof. Alex. Ernestinoff the music teacher,
testified that he n Russian, and had been in
Indianapolis eight years. He said. 80 far he
understood Rappaport, he was Socialist and
witness was asked: "Are there different de-
erees of socialism, to which he answered that
there were.
Define the different degrees"
'some men want to go further than others"
''Are you Socialism
'"To sonze degree"
''To what degrees"
''In that there should be social reform. do
not think the present state Of society can exist
long
..How do you propose to reform societyq"
"By the ballot
''What after the ballot9"
'Then we will have to give it up"
''What will you do thenf
''Men like me will leave the country
"What ia the difference between the man who
fires on the flag of his country and the one who
advises itr
None, should say"
"What, then, is the difference bet ween the
man who throws the bomb and the man who
advises itg
'gThere is some"
Alexander Metzger was on the stand for half
an hour. After he had testified that Rappaport
was not an Anarchist in the full sense of the
word, he asked:
Are you in sympathy with his viewsg
Socialist, and ne is actual Socialist"
What is the difference between ideal and
an actual Socialist"
''The actual Socialists constitute what NAV be
known as q political party. l think any party
is likely to go to extremes. When / came to
America, forty years ago. was Democrat
As soon as l found out what the Democratic
party was left it, Thirty years ago saw that
1T was going to extremes. / would not join the
socialistic party for fear that it may leave the
idea OF ideal socialism. just as the Democratic
party lett the principles on which it was founded.
don't think the ideas of the socialistic party are
timely. and know they cannot be carried out"
Are the theories Of actual Socialists in accord
with the views of ideal Socialists7"
''They are not"
Several other members of the socialistie So
ciety, or readers or happaport's paper, were put
on the stand and testified that he was not an
Anarchist.
AS reouttal for the defense a translated LET
ter by Miss Openheimer, assistant editor OF the
Tribune, written TO the Poor Devil" an An
archist paper published at Detroit was offered
in evidence, but was objected on the grounds
that whatever Miss Openheimeir might say had
nothing to do with Rappaport The attorneys
for the defense argued that the lady was mem
ber OF Rappaports household, and that the let
ter expressing sympathy for the men executed
in Chicago, and indorsing their course had
tendency to show that there was hot-bed of
Anarchists in Indianapolis. The Squire took
the matter of admitting the letter under advise
ment The argument will not be heard until
next week, probably on Wednesday
No New Police Commissioners Yes