New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1888-04-22
dent0 reason exprossed tor the special noss Of tho

lain to be Controller Grace would have us sure. But
stated that was not in the habit of dying In thirty
,,9-was there any srecial reason for tho appointment
that William r. Grace was nnreasona5iy hostile to
I'll hnr ,i Clark was not an engineer, as so
CHEF my e @e that
clark had larger facilities and abilities than other
should go to them, and acted on his advice as /
would have done had he told to favor A. B. or c. or
erence
Mr. IvINss MONEY CONSIDERATION.
Mr. Fassett asked Mr.. Squire if he could give
any further light on the matter. No." replied
he drily, unless say something about money
consideration Everybody was on tiptoe as Mr..
| fassett repeated:
Money considerations
Yes" returned the witness, leaning letsurely
back There was certain money consideration
expressed"
New-Y ork-not Mr.. Hewitt
EERRS WAS wa: s Ss Tao sAaSo~ of Mr. Grace
Q.Tas any body else PRESENT. A.--Oh. no; he
ow 30 was the In aas was in 1885,
don't recall the exact date only know the place.
,.,9-where was thati Alt was in the Chamber
| Mr. Squire paused little, and then went softly
on:
A.. have often wondered Why Mr. WINS was not IN
dicted when was. Uaughter)
Mr.. Squire took q side-track, for a while. and
said that lie always understood that Mr. Muller
IN their interview spoke for Governor Hill. He
understood from the start that Mr. Muller talked
for the Governor, so when Mr. Muller wished TO
be particularly emphatic he would say: You
know speak by the book
Senator McNaughton asked Mr.. Squire at this
point If William M. WINS had offered him 81 o.
900 to resign his Office Mr.. Squire, as cool and
as calm as possible responded in the following
vein:
Mr.. Wins, after prcliminaries, said to me Well,
Squire, We both men of the world,' and this
admitted, with view to seeing what he was after.
He next added "And when see a good thing we
want to mako Of it, and to this l gave assent.
Then he went Come, now, to DO frank, will you
give up this Office for a Considerations"
"weli, now,b said he, &" what is your prca1D
To which replied: am Connecticut Yankee, and
up there before we get into new boat and mako
position to pay what it promises to pay"
"Wel,' responded WINS, wo prepared and
ready to casry this thing through That Is your
price :"
rose, hat in hand and, turning toward the door,
said; Well, you want my price. 1t Is this; The
90 leave It, with The honor Of my sood name In
view Of the nature q the price you offer and that at
Mr.. Squires words were listened to with the
closest interest, and there was short silence
when he concluded, which first General Tracy and
then Senator McNaughton invaded in order to as
certain II WINS had offered definite price. Mr.
Squire declared that no specific sum was men
TONED and when asked S Il 8 GOO had been the
sad as he IgegDsd f me %S ha
was after higher game, and that no such sum
As to the political complexion Of the new
Board, Mr.. Squire. said that Messrs. Dowd and
Fish were Republicans He did not know the
ported to be Democrat, Mr. Spencer was Demo
craft and Squire sat there as a Democrat" MT
Squire stepped down after speaking of the high
reputation Of O'Brien & Clark as contractors.
cCU SPENCER
Commissioner Spencer was recalled with load
Of the Commissions minutes. He referred to the
minutes of July %, 1886, when McCulloh was
removed and Sheehan made secretary of the
Board. Commissioner Rdgeway offered the reso~
luton of appointment Mr. Baldwin moved to
table it,. This was lost Messrs. Spencer, Dowd
and Baldwin in the affirmative Mr. Baldwin
moved to adjourn This was lost, Mr.. Baldwin
voting alone in its favor Mr.. Spencer protested
against the removal of Mr.. McCulloh Mr.
Ridgeway moved the adoption of the resolution
which was adopted by the vote OF Messrs. Squire,
Barnes, Ridgeway and Fish. MIR. McCulloh
was continued in charge OF certain work OF which
he had had charge when secretary
Mr.. Squire's objections TO the change OF secre-
taries, so far as he could recall them, he said,
had come into the work originally with the Com
mission, especially with Mr.. Spencer, and that
it would take any other person many months
to get such an idea OF the work required E as
of the work Mr. Spencer knew some three days
before this meeting that Mr.. Sheehan, was can
didate Mr. Spencer did not recall ii th"t r any
it might be because of the change in salary MI.
McCuloh had been getting $4,000: Mi Tt Sneeh 1aa
got "a coo a year Mr.. McOulloh was then hlreu
for a month"; and had been retained ever since.
at $1,000 a year.
The witness had an interview OF over an hour
at Albany with Governor Hill IN 1svor OF EfeE
Mr. Spencer urged against the bill was the need
of retaining the Controller as the important spoke
in ne wheel in the Commission. ME- oP ye1tod
still had the points Of his argument, as l0tted
down, in his possession and would produce them
MesSrs Dowd, Baldwin and the witness had pre-
pared memorial which had been presented 10
Governor Hill.
General Tracy-why did not the Mayor and the
Controller sign The memOrial' Al understood and
my associates had the thar tS Ma Nae M WSs
asked to sign the bill The Controller knew all about
it. and said that he was the man maj E4g s 9 be should
be called on to sign the memorial ~
o.-Do you know the motive for striking at Con-
'fV o'@or who struck at hint A-No, SIR speak
to my knowledge.
Mr.. Spencer stated that he was informed when
Mr. Sheehan was talked OF for secretary ana UiC
the proposed man was a resident OF this city. lie
had learned simply that MIR Sheehan nag ior-
merly lived in Buffalo, how long before ne dld uoO
learn The question of the merits OF MI. NC
Culloh or Mr. Sheehan were not discussed az tle
meeting The question of knowledgr OF details
came up 1t certainly took Mr. ShGehan ana ana
myself considerable time to master inc ueO'Ai'
together"
COMMISSIONER RIDGEwAY's APPOINTMENT
Mr. Fassett started to ask Mr. Spencer whether
he and Mr. Sheehan did master the details III
time, then the Senator suddenly changed his nina
Mr. Spencer stated that Controller Loew had oeen
valuable commissioner; that the witness had
urged upon the Governor the retention OF Vhe
Controller in the Board on general principles no0
on personal grounds.
Q.-Do you know how and by whom commissioner
Rldgeway was selected. Al do not - H., -.
Mr.. Fassett-have there been any ciauIs ior ~ ~
allowances presented 10 the Commission A crI
don't recognizes any claims for extra allow ance.' dhce
strict provisions In the contracts on ,nde Po'
This matter OF extra claims has D9en ~ ne CO..
All claims havo been based provisions m 'no AL
tracts tho claimants asserting that my w. on,ract
Tb C or, SUnnS ~ and tho Controller dis