New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1888-08-01

another person not now member Of
'hc House OF Commons related 10 quite
other subjects than the Irish Local Government bill,
and covered his release from Kilma,nham jail. the
Arrears bill tho renewal Of coercion after the Phoenix
Park murders, and, later In 1885. the question re-
gadng the non-renewal of the Crimes Act. But
whatever tho subject of the communications It did
not touch his charge that Mr.. Chamberlain had vio-
lated his oath a Cabinet Minister. He could pro-
duce a letter in Chamberlan's hand aluding to the
defeat and withdrawal of the Police bill for Ireland in
which he glorihed in Lord spcncer's discontinue at
the withdrawal OF the measure. (Chocrs.)
The Chairman remarked that Mr.. PaInell seemed
to have exhausted his reply to Mr.. Chamberlalns
personal explanation, and that It would be nconven-
lent TO proceed with fuller discussion.
Mr.. Parnell only desired to say that o'shca did not
accompany him to this interview Justin Mccarthy
did. O'Shca came afterward.
Mr.. Chamberlain said that he did not intend to i'm
ply that the subject of National councils the only
matter discussed between himself and Mr.. Parnell.
All he wished to say that he had always taken
care to inform his colleagues what had passed be-
tween him and Mr. Parnell He appealed TO Mr..
Gladstone to confirm his statements.
Mr.. Gladstone said he did not question Mr. Cham
berlain's statement regarding the KmaDham COM
muncatlons but In the present state Of his recollcc
lions he would require to know exactly what the
communications were before entering into them. As
TO the communications with Mr.. Parnell in 1855 on
local government, he said that his memory accorded
with Mr. Chamberain's. Qfear Hear)
In the division on Mr.. Rcids amendment, tho House
voted 249 against 1t, and 1877 for 1t.
Mr.. Anderson's amendment that the charges to be
investigated be defined in the schedule rejected
by vote Of 245 against 200.
Mr.. Moiloy proposed an amendment to modify
the clause regarding the allegations made to
include only such of them the Commission might
think fit 10 investigate.
Mr.. Matthews objected, saying that the amendment
useless since the judges already had the power
to select such of the charges they deemed worthy
OF an inquiry
THE GOVERNMENT CHARGED WITH COLLISION.
Sir William " Harcourt charged the Government
with refusing TO accept the amendment because Mr.
Webster the Attorney General had told them that tho
Commission must inquire into anything Tho Times"
wished to have Investigated. They wanted TO allow
" The Times" to throw its dirt without restraint
(Chcersl The Ministers were making themselves
conduit OF foul water 10 be poured upon the Irish
National League. oh Oh,' and chccrs) There
fore, he would not trust the Commission to inquire
into what 1T chose TO consider fs for investigation.
Mr.. Banncrnan Robertson, sollctor,Gcn, D;
cral for Scotland, Indignantly repudlaed
the sandcrous accusations that the Government were
in collnsion with The Times ,.,, st..
statement If Mr.. smith would say that Mr.. Walter, of
" TIE Times" had rot been consulted in settling tho
Mr. smith, cxcedIy-I thought the charge so vim
dictve and contemplate fiat It not worthy of a
denial deny II absolutely and amazed that
any gentleman could have been found in this House
Sir William v Harcourt-As I understand Mr.
Smith to say that he has not Mr.. walter with
draw tho statement
SCENES OF EXCITEMENT IN THE HOUSE.
Mr. Smith, did not say that have not seen Mr..
Walter Gronicsl Parnellitc cheersl simply deny
having consulted him in reference to the bill. Tan
IN mid
"Oh, oh.-) Mr. Smiths voice lnaudibe. Tho
chairman appealed to the members to remember the
traditions of the House.
Mr.. Smith continucd-I again deny absolutely that
l had any negotiations whatever with Mr. Walter re-
garding the bill. Mr. Walter has called upon mo as
an old friend But he never the bill, and never
had any sort of plan with him regarding It, (Cheers
Sir William lIarcourt declared that i wss ex-
munIcatc with persons bringing an accusation and
not with the poi accused. AS the facts stood,
(Parnellite cheers.
Mr. Smith claimed that he had made an explicit
statement that the biz had been drawn Without
Mr.. Gladstone, recurring to the amendment held
would refuse to consider malicious. irrelevant and
trivial charges. i they had power to do SO the fact
was virtually excluded from the bill
Mr.. Goshen ccntcndcd that power to inquire into
irrelevant topics Inherent In the measure.
accept the amendment because It did dare to alter
word In the bill without tho permission OF Mr:
Walter 1t was admitted that Mr. walter had Vlsitsi
Mr.. Smith on the morning Of the day on WHICH the
latter announced the bill.
Mr. Smith-That is not true.
Cries of Withdraw! - " withdraw ~ came frcm the
Opposition benches. and tho chairman said: "Does
the gentleman withdraw the eXpressOn?'
Mr. Smith, do
Mr.. Labouchere-Let the leader of the Govern
ment answer this specific question Did Mr.. Waiter
visit him the day he announced that commits
sion would be granted
Mr. Smith, have stated to the House everything
that has happened.
JUSTICE DAY SEEKING ADVICE.