The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1888-09-04

The House met at 10 CLOCK, a. m, the
President, Hon. w. R. Castle, in the chair.
Minutes were read and confirmed.
REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
Noble Dole read a report of the special
committee TO whom were referred, on Sat
urday, petition for free grant OF land
for the erection of a charitable institution,
recommending that the prayer of the petit
ton be granted, and submitting draft OF
bill to carry out that object. Accepted
and laid on the table to be considered with
the bill.
NEW BILL.
Noble Dole introduced bill: authOriz-
ing the Minister of the Interior to convey
TO Trustees, real estate in the District OF
Honolulu in furtherance of the COnstruc-
ton of buildings for the charitable accom-
mediation of INDECENT persons OF foreign
birth and descent.
The same Noble moved suspension of
the rules to the effect that the bill be not
printed. Carried.
ORDER OF THE DAY.
Internal Taxes.-Third reading of the
bill to amend Sec. 81, tax laws OF 1886 and
1882. Passed.
Ramie.-Third reading of the ramie bill.
Passed.
Appropriation Bill.-Second reading of
the Appropriation Bill in Committee of the
Whole. Rep. G. Brown in the chair.
Circuit Judge, Maui, 81 900, and travelling
expenses $500.
Minister Ashford moved $500, and ira
Yelling expenses $500.
Noble Warehouse moved the items pass
as in the bill Carried.
Pay of Tax Assessors and Tax Collectors.
Minister Ashford moved insertion of
amended items, but before action was
taken thereon, the Committee rose and the
House resumed.
FOURTH VETO CONSIDERED.
At II o'clock, the consideration of the
veto message on the Coffee Bill, read on
the 22nd Aug, was taken up in accordance
with the resolutions adopted then and also
on the 31St.
Noble Smith asked if it would not be
proper to have statement from the Cabi-
net as to what advice had been given His
Majesty on the bill.
Minister ThurStOn said that since the in
disposition of the Minister Of Foreign
Affairs, he had been representing the Cabi-
net in presenting bills to His Majesty for
signature. When the coffee bill was pre-
scented, with a number of others, HIS
Majesty was engaged with company. He
had no conversation with His Majesty at
/ that time. A few days later, he presented
some other bills, and had a consultation
him. and asked him If there was any ques
ton or information he wished. He said no.
[ particularly called his attention to this
bill, and asked him if he had given it con-
sideratiOn. He said that he had not. l
talked the matter over at length with him.
He agreed with me in almost everything |
said on the subject, and gave no intimatiOn
chat he disapprOved of the measure. This
was at IL 80 a. m. At 80 p. m. the veto
message came into the House The veto is
wit "a
sent, and contrary to the advice of the
Cabinet.
Rep G. Brown said the bill had been dis
cussed thoroughly on its second reading,
and there Is no need OF going any further
INTO it's merits. He moved it become law
Notwithstanding the veto.
Noble Widemann said the bill was neither
more nor less than a pet scheme of the
Minister OF Interior, who had managed to
get the other members of the Cabinet to
join with him. He was not present when
the bill passed, but he understood that it
had passed by bare majority OF Ministers
votes. Any member who votes against
sustaining this veto on the idea that the
Cabinet must advise with respect to the
veto will stultify himself. | am not going
to stultify myself.
Rep. Nakaleka took issue with the Minis
ter of Interior in the view that this is a
measure for opening up new industry.
1t is not new. Coffee has been cultivated
here many years. ltis simply this, that
man comes here from other countries
where he says he has been successful in
cultivating coffee. He had made a report
which was included in the report of the
Minister of Interior. If the gentleman
met with success in other countries he
ought to have remained there instead of
coming out here to the Sandwich Islands.
Noble Smith said: This is the most i'm
pOrtant occasion of the session, and one of
the most significant since the memorable
Both of June of last would that |
were gifted with elOquence, and possessed
power to move the hearts of men. In
considering the question before US, the
Ministers, individuals, and personal feel
lngs, fade out of sight. Every patriotic
impulse in me is stirred. Personal ambl-
ton and hopes and fears become insignif-
cant in the presence of a question which so
vitality affects the future of this country
1t is the question of the will of the people
as opposed to the Will of the King; the
deliberate will of this House as opposed to
the ill-adviSed will of one man. The ques-
ton is not that of the abstract right of
veto, but the exercise of the right under
the circumstances OF this case. The queS-
ton as to whether or not the provisions of
this bill are carried out or not, is of small
consequence as compared to the precedent
which this House is to establish. We were
elected under peculiar circumstances and
to represent the people in a crisis of vast
Importance to them. We are here as their
representatives. To allow personal preiu-
diCes to influence US contrary to that which
Is for their good, would be pertidy of which
no one present should Intentionally be
guilty. 1t is not question of whether de-
voting this money to the encouragement of
coffee culture is wise or whether the pro-
visions of this bill are the best, or whether
certain acts of the Ministers meet with our
approval. The issue relates to the occa-
sion and manner in which the will of
this House may be thwarted by the
veto of the King interpOsed in opposi-
ton to the advice of the Cabinet In
England there is an absolute veto, but
it has not been exercised for over $50 years
In the United States there is veto which
becomes ineffective on a two-thirds vote
In Great Britain the people are jealous of
their rights. Vital issues may be involved,
but they are not decided by veto. In the
United States the greatest statesmen de-
clare that it should only be exercised on