The morning news. [volume] (Savannah, Ga.) 1887-1900, 1888-08-03
THUMPING THE TORIES.
THE IRISH STILL DEALING SOME
VERY HARD BLOWS.

Mr. Goschen Replies to Some of the
Queries of the Celtic Contingert-Mr.
Labouchere Cabs Attention to New
Breach of Privile ege by the Times.
LONDON, Aug. 2-In replying to Mr..
Healy in the house Of commons to-day,
Mr.. Goschen said that Mr.. Smith had not
interviewed the editor of the Times, that
he had not seen him, and that he held no
communications with him regarding the
commission
Replying to Mr.. Sexton, Mr.. Goschen
said he did know whether or not he sent to
the reporters gallery the manuscript with
reference to the commission bill which was
read in the house on July /, and that the
words land other persons" did not appear
in it,
ABREACH OF PRIVILEGE.
Mr. Labouchere called the attention of
the house to the breach Of privilege of
which the Times was guilty to-day in
charging the Parnelltes with trying to
drown the commission bill with
flood of blackguardism unparalleled
in history. 1t deplored the circum-
stance that Messrs Gladstone
and Harcourt completed the foul-mouthed
Oretory OF ther Irish allies.
Mr.. Goschen concurred in the charge
that a breach of privilege had been com
mitted by the Times. and said there was no
use to mitigate the foct by
saying strong language had been
used by the Parnellites against the Tunes
under the protection Of privilege, but if the
house followed precedents it would not now
deal with the breach of privilege but
would proceed With the business of the day.
MOTION MADE.
Mr. Goschen, accordingly, made motion
to that effect.
Mr. Gladstone seconded it, and advised
Mr.. Labouchere to withdraw the question
of privilege, to which he (Mr. LabouchereD
agreed. Mr.. Gladstone desired, he said, to
return good for evil in not pressing the
question at present
But Mr.. Sexton was less concliatory, and
said he despsed to commend the paymasters
and accomplices of forgery. [Parnellite
cheers
Mr. Goschen then moved that the debate
proceed on the bill to investigate the
charges against the Parnellites if it Were
still under discussion at midnight. To this
the house agreed.
THE REMAINING CHARGES.
He next moved that the chairman shall
have power at / O'clock in the morning to
! put the remaining charges.
Mr. Reed appealed to the government to
respect the right of the minority to obtain
| full discussion of the obnoxious clauses, and
| hoped they would not close the debate until
the final clause had been discussed, which
was TO exonerate the Times from an action
for libel.
Mr. Healy said the motion was another
| proof that the conservatives we're prepared
to treat the Parnellites in the same manner
as the red Indian who danced around his
victim at the stake.
DECLARED UNJUsTIFIABLE.
Mr. Harcourt said the motion was with
out the slightest reason to justify it. The
bill was of such Importance that it ought to
be adequately discussed. The government,
he said, did not want further discussion, as
the effect upon the country would be un-
favorable to them. They therefore abused
their rights as a majority in order to gag
| their political opponents.
r. P. O'Connor said that cloture of the
| debate as proposed amounted TO decree
that the most important proposals in the
bill must be passed without discussion. 1t
was an act Of brute violence on the part of
| the government.
Sir Charles Lewis Conservative contended
! that the obstructive tactics Of the Parnel-
ties justified tue motion. Their style Of
discussion disgraced parliament and the
country.
AN AMENDMENT MOVED.
Timothy Healy moved to amend the mo-
! tion by inserting the words "If the chair
man think best" thus leaving to the discre-
tion Of the chair application Of the cloture
rule.
Mr. Balfour refused to accept the amend
ment, saying that the chairman ought not
to be burdened with such responsibility.
Sir Lyon Playfair (liberaD declared that
the motion was the most unfortunate pre-.
ce lent the government could set Such
cloture had Hitherto been unheard Of.
Mr.. Healy's amendment was rejected by
vote of 2S5 TO 237.
Justin Mccarthy moved an amendment
extending the inquiry to the circumstances
under which the cnnrges were originally
made and published by the Times.
Mr.. Matthews, the home secretary, held
that the amendment was needless.
THE FORGED LETTERS.
Mr.. Anderson [liberalJ claimed that II
was important to know how many forged
letters the Times had and how they had
been obtained.
Mr.. Sexton said the Parnelites invited
the fullest inquiry into the remotest facts
connected with "Parnellism and Crime, if
1t was conducted by reasonable mode OF
procedure. 1t was important to find under
what motive the forged letters we're written.
Mr.. Hill conservative said that unless a
good account could be given of how the
Times came TO possess the letters, or the
person could be produced who sold or gave
them, and would be able to stand on exam
ination as TO how be got them, the judges
would not accept the letters as genuine.
[Hearl Hear
Tho amendment was defeated by vote
of 1862 to 1913
PUSHING FORWARD THE LETTERS.
Mr.. Labouchere moved that the letters be
inquired into and reported upon before
other matters He did not think any mem
ber of the government was 30 vile and base
Tlaughterl as TO refuse this reasonable
concession. IL the government did
refuse it, he would recommend
Mr.. Parnell to wash his hands OF
the commission and sue the Times tor libel
solely on the letters.
STATUS OF THE LETTERS.
The solicitor general said that the letters
were not charges, but only evidence OF
charges against Mr. Parnell. He admitted
that the letters wero extremely important,
and said that without doubt the commits
sion would early inquire into their authen-
ticity The commission, however. must
not DO fettered, and therefore the govern
ment could not accept the amendment
After another acrimonious debate, Mr..
Laboucheres amendment was defeated by
vote of 281 TO 208.
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