St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1888-08-01

did not accompany him. Justin Nc
earthly did; O'Shea came afterwards.
MIR. Chamberlain said he did not in
tend to imply that the subject of ma
tional councils was the only matter dis
cussed between himself and Mr.. Parnell.
Other matters doubtless were referred
to. All
HE WISHED TO SAY
was that he had always taken care to
inform his colleagues what had passed
between him and Mr.. Parnell. He APP
peaied to Mr.. Gladstone to confirm his
statements.
Mr.. Gladstone said that he did not
question MI. Chamberlain'S statement
regarding the Kilmainham communica-
tons, but in the present state of his rec
elections he would require to know ex-
actly what the communications were
before entering into them. Referring
to the communications with Mr.. Parnell
in 1885 regarding local government, he
SAID that his memory accorded with Mr..
Chamberlain's. [''Hear, hear"
In the division on Mr.. Reid's amend
ment. the house voted 249 against it and
1871 for it. Mr.. Anderson moved an
amendment that the charges
TO BE INVESTIGATED
by the commission be defined in the
schedule. Mr.. Mathews opposed the
motion. The amendment was then re-
Jected by vote of 245 against 200.
John Malloy, member from Kings
county, Ireland, proposed an amend
ment to modify the clause regarding the
allegations made so as to include only
such of them as the commission might
think fit to investigate.
MI. Matthews objected, saying that
2mln6mQnt civ bn
Judges already had the power to select
such of the charges as they deemed
WORTHY OF AN INQUIRY.
Sir William Harcourt charged the
government with refusing to accept the
amendment because Mr.. Webster, the
attorney general, had told them that the
commission must inquire into anything
the Times wished to have in
vestigated. They wanted to allow
the Times to throw its dirt with
out restraint. [Cheers.] The minis
tiers were making themselves a conduit
OF foul water to be poured upon the
Irish National League. ['tOh," "Oh,"
and cheers Therefore he would not
trust the commission to inquire into
what it chose to consider fit for investi-
CATION.
Mr.. Bannerman-Rober solicitor
SlanderouS accusation that the govern
ment were in
COLLISION WITH THE TINES.
Sir William Harcourt offered to with
draw his statement if Mr.. Smith would
say that Mr.. Walter, of the Times, had
not been consulted in settling the bill.
LParnellite cheers.1
Mr.. Smith replied in an excited man
ner-l thought the charge so vindictive
and contemplate that it was not worthy
of denial. l deny it absolutely and
am amazed that any gentleman could
have been found in this house who
would make it. Cheers.
Sir William Harcourt then said: AS /
understand Mr.. Smith to say that he
has not seen Mr.. Walter, 1 withdraw
the statement.
MIR. Smith rejoined: l did not say
that | have not seen Mr.. Walter. Iron
lcal Parnellite cheersl. l simply deny
to the bill. An uproar oc-
CURED, amid contending cheers and
cries of ''oh, oh."l Mr.. Smith continued
speaking, but his voice was inaudible.
The chairman appealed to the members
to remember the traditions of the house.
Mr.. Smith then resumed his speech in a
slow and deliberate manner. | again
deny absolutely that had
any negotiations whatever with
Mr.. Walter regarding the bill.
Mr.. Walter has called upon me, as it is
his practice, as an old friend. But he
never saw the bill, and l never had any
sort of plan with him regarding it.
[Cheers.
Mr.. Gladstone-Are we to understand
in plain to mean that Mr.. Smith had no
At :45 o'clock the house adjourned.
The debate will be resumed at noon
to-day,