New-York tribune., 1888-08-24


oyou're no. connected wi,A any political ors.n
49,, A-Never belonged 70 aay peiiuea sfssn"su'A
In nay ifa Al dom,
.al thu, IN organisation call u parry ,,,
General Tracy-Thars disorgsh''s1oA ..a,,o s,a,.
oI understand YOU we're IN the Democr@uo e'"''
crn,,,,ee, A-Yss: 1 don't cali that poiueh ofsA"'
satlon. 49, . ..vs mt so,lIated
o-Au you mean say is that you hsvo "0. ' -.s
,h .nv no,,t,ca organization In this city, Al wa"
YIN ' ,s s,h I mean 70 ssy thai ! never belonged
- on. camera, committee Of Tammsny HAL LIVING nH
,hs County Democracy. any other ponuos o's."
o-You don't mean 10 say anything AsNh" A''' 'A''
doesa A.-Not ~ ALI
HE ND A GOOD DEAL OF AFFiLIATINe THOUGH
NJ, Grace went on 20 explain that he was at
one time nominated by Irving Hall and indorscd
hv Tammany Then he affiliated with both. lhen
he was nominated by a citizens organization and
sfilia ed with the County Democracy.
oso YOU .nated with one aud then with another
oemocratc organization. because they approved your
.nd,t.,s, A-No; because approved their candidate.
(Lsughter) ,
o-But you were their candidate on one occasion.
When you their candidate the candidate never no'
your disapprovali A-No (Lsughnr)
NJ, Iovstt-He never was known 90 back on himself
Mr. Eicol-Are you afilstine with any organization
Al am aniatins with the National Democracy OeVe-
land and Reform. (Laughter.)
Mr. Ncoll next tried TO show that Grace in
hostility to the Governor Mr., Grace maintained
that he had feeling against tiill personally, ana
that he hadn't boasted that he would d knock
entity that Mr. Hifl's denomination would be "a
disgrace TO the Democratic party
And you would not support him = asked Mr.
Ncoll hut the question was not allowed. lhen
Mr. Nico wanted to know If Grace had not
bargained with the majority, OF the committee
that he should not be pr s;ed on certain Polhts; :;
the sort. There were more denjals than nythlng
else n the ex-Mayor's evidence. lie stuck to his
hi talk with Keenan,. Asked il Keenan, was a
fugitive from Justice he remarked that he hadn't
seen him around, latly.', LaughtGr;l, -
lie denied that he asked Governor III 10 ap-
point William NJ WINS on his staff, or that Hubert
o. Thompson ever at his request asked st the uov,
crnor to do So lie repeated with little variation
his reasons for breaking of with the Governor, ana
2 to O'Brcn & Clark
WHY DIDN'T HE DENY THIS BEFoRE'
And he denied that he had given TRIBUNE
reporter an interview. printed on May Z, 1850,
in which he said he thought ex-oficio members OF
the Aqueduct Commission should be relieved OF
that duty, as they had so much other work TO at
tend to that they had not enough time to give
Mr. Ncoll now set cut to try to elicit some
from the win as t? his transactions' while
Mayor with the fism Of Grant q Wafd, 81. +,sr.
actions Of the f.m Of Grant q Ward = nc asked'
General Tracy considered the question i'm oroner.
Mr. Grace asked Nj Nicoll II he was gong "a s-hsh,ne
as unset for " The New-York Wocldp Mr.
Nicol said that II he were there IN duai capac'ty
General Tracy was too, as General Tracy was
Ferdinand Wards counsel
THE LETTER SAID TO HAVE BEEN SENT 10 An
OTHER RInGwAY.
Tho po,nt was argued in the afternoon and
the question was not allowed, In spite OF Mr
Nicoqps plea that he wanted to find out from the
witness if his transactions with Grant & Wa-d
constitutes the real reason why he was excluded
from the Aqucduct Commission.
Mr. Lovatt called the committees attention 70
an article in The Tribune 10 the efHct that mr'
Ridgway had written a letter to Mr. Paige and
then denied having done SO. lie explained tnht
letter was written to Mr. Paige and left at the
Murray Hill Ho'el by different Mr. Rdsway'
who is Mr.. Paige's clerk He said he had the let
ter In his possession.
rIe aftcrward showed it privately to Tribune
renorter r. was torn into small pieces, and
siaped Ridgr This would seem 20 show that
Mr. Paige's clerk must be on remarkably familiar
terms with his employer ,
did no. demand the production OF the letter and
when Mr. Nicoll called in an -hand way, Stand
up Mr. Rdgway' slim young nan nan ;t3cG.rn stood ~
is that the slim man is the etter-writing Ridgway
GOING BACK TO THE AoUEDUCT.
Baked In his efforts to inquire about Grace
relations with Grant & Ward, Mr.. Nicoll continued
his inquiry about Aqncduct matters
Q-who was present at the interview with Muller
your housef A.-Nobody.
o.-was that the only conversation you had VIII
. Muller with regard to SquiTe's removsif A-The onl,
one that l remember now
o-You say you had a conversation with Governor Hill
in which be told you that you might talk 10 Muller abou
matters In which and you Jointly interesedf
Yes
come to understanding as between you ana the OoV
ernori A-That was the inference drew from what th
Governor had told otherwise would not have takeS
with anybody but himself.
Odd you not In the spring OF s6 learn OF the ex
stence Of the letter the Squre-Elyn letter
: A.-No
o.-Do you that you never heard OF 1t I'LL July
1867 Al never heard OF 1t to know OF Its existence
until within a week Of the proceedings for Squires re
moval.
o-Do you know that MI WINS testified that he knew
OF the existence Of that in December 80? A
think he so testified before Mayor what he esti
aed at this Investigation don't know
O.-You did not until July. 's8 that such let
ter was In exscnce that Mr. WINS had cory OF 1t anf
had exhibited 1t to the Governor? A-No
| HOW LITTLE GRACE KNEW WHAT WINS WAS
DOINGi
Mr. Grace testified 10 response to further ques
tions that Mr. Wins was counsel for his firm, tina
be met him at least three or four times week. ou
did not talk with him about matters affecting tn
city government
o.-You certainly talked with him about the Depart
ment Of Public Worksf A.-No.
Q.-Never7 Ayes
o.-When3 A.-When / started IN TO make charge
against Squire and employed Nj WINS as an expert NC
eOuntlnt
Q.-Do you mean 10 say that you never eonversed VIII
him before that about the removal Of Squire A.-No
generally my own business he had his TO run
Odd you that he was getting evidenc
against SQUIRE the purpose OF securing his removal
A.-NO.
ODD you have any conversation with Mr.. Flynn a
any time about the removal OF Nh. SQue3 A.-Not tha
1 remember
Mr. Grace said that he had not read the Gov
ernors N, ssage relative 10 the Aqueduct Com
mission and nobody had told him about 1t. Mr.
NicOll outlined It's recOmm endatons and Mr. Grac
saw that he approved them. hen MIR. Ncol
called bis attention 70 an interview with him II