New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1888-07-20
WHO WAS IVES'S FRIEND!
REVEALING THE GRAND JURY SECRETS.
THE OHIO OFFICIALS LEARN TOO LATE THAT
THE FAMOUS FINANcIERs KNEW ALL
ABOUT THE INDICTMENT BEFORE IT
WAS FILED.

WAS FILED.
W H. Pugh, the public prosecutor OF Hamilton
County, Ohio, who has undertaken the task Of
taking Ives and Stayner from this State TO Ohio
returned from Albany last evening in rather low
spirits and with n somewhat higher regard for
the watchfulness Of the fnanciers,' or rather OF
their counsel, Hoadly, Lauterbach and Johnson
Mr.. Pugh went to Albany Wednesday night
for the purpose OF making formal demand on
Governor Hill for requistion
Previous to starting for Albany Mr.. Pugh had
received dispatch st,.ing that Ivess counsel had
fled protest against granting the requisition
lie did not pay much attention 10 this but when
he arrived Mt the capital he found the report was
well founded The lawyers had filed an eabo-
rate protest about n fortnight before the Grand
Jury Of Hamilton County indicted Ives and Stay
ncr for grand larceny and embezzemcnt They
had anticipated the Grand Jurys findings at every
point. Their argument could not have been
stronger 10 is said, had it been made after instead
of before the indictment was reported. Numerous
questions Of law raised but especial stress Is
placed upon the fact that since the alleged offence
committed in this city, there are no Just
grounds for sending the defendants to Ohio for
trial
Mr.. HILL TOO BUSY TO BE SEEN.
The Governor had agreed to hear the at
Z D. m Wednesday, but Mr. Pugh delayed on
the way, not reaching Albany until nearly .
o'clock Mr.. Hill was then in conference with
members Of the Legislature, so that Mr. Pugh could
only sec Colonel Rice, the Governors private sec
retary. From him he learned the nature of the
objections raised by Ives's counsel, and before
leaving Albany it was arranged that the case
should have hearing before the Governor next
Monday when Mr.. Pugh will endeavor to dispose
Of the points raised by the defendants. lie Is
confident that this can be done easily. No Gov
ernor he says will refuse requisltIon alter eX-
amining the papers which will be offered lor MS
consideration.
The most remarkable feature Of the proceedings
is the perfect knowledge that Ives and Stayner
possessed regarding the workings or the Hamilton
County Grand Jury. In some mysterious manner
they were kept informed from the first. lhey not
fortnight or more hefore bill was drawn, but
they also knew when the jury would report to the
court
IVES AND sTAYNER LEAVE THE CITY.
Last Thursday. when the jury was examining
the last witnesses in the case, Ives began to pack
his trunk preparatory to leaving tho city which
he did that night About the same time Stayner
departed Ives ate at the Astor House about
o'clock. He was then seen by one or two acquaint-
ances. On Saturday when the Indictment was
found both Ives and Stayner were safe on the
Canada side. Evidently they did not put too
much faith in their cOunseps protest.
How did they obtain this desirable information
who in Cincinnati can obtain the secrets OF the
Grand Jury room for them? Neither Nh Pugh
nor his assistants Detective Ryan or Deputy Sheriff
Zumstein profess to be able TO answer these qucs-
tions. but there is n general feeling among
those intimately acquainted with the whole affair
that for all this precious information
he has obtained Ives is indebted to certain eX-
member Of the New-York Stock Exchange, now in
Ohio. with whom he has had great deal to do at
various times. W.
President LOOMS. Of the Dayton Fort wayne
and Chicago Railway. showed q dispatch from Ives
Yesterday in which the young Napoleon stated
he would he home on Thursday Mr. LOOMS
was careful 10 conceal the address although Ives
bad not returned on the day Indicated II the DIS
patch meant anything. c,..,
The Executive Committee Of the Cincinnati,
Hamilton and Dayton Railroad will meet at Mr..
Sages office this afternoon.