New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1888-12-18
THEY THINK OSMAN LIES.
THE ENGLISH GOVERNMENT WILL ACT
ACCORDINGLY.
MILITARY OPERATIONS AT sUAKIM WITH REF
ERENCE TO STANLEY AND EMIN DIS
CUssED IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS
is THE WHITE TRAVELLER"
CAPTAIN CASATFs
CAPTAIN CASATEt


London Dec l7.-In the House Of Commons
to-day Lord Randolph Churchill asked what would
be the estimated cost of sending reinforcements to
Suakim and whether il the intention of the
Government TO impose the whole or part of the
expense upon Egypt in the face of Lord Sails
burys speech of March 6, in which he said he
did not think that the retention Of Suakim would
he an advantage to Egypt and advised the abandon
ment of the place
Sir James Ferguson, Parliamentary Secretary
at the Foreign Office, said it was impossible to
estimate the cost Lord Sasbury's utterance was
merely personal opinion in speech made out
side of the House of Lords There was no reason
10 believe that the Egyptian Government coincided
in the opinion or intended TO abandon Suakim
John Morley described Sir James Fersusson's
answer as extraordinary. He declared that it
would be repugnant to the House to separate with
out learning whether steps could be taken to avert
the threatened fate of Emin Bey and Mr.. Stanley.
lie urged the Government 10 issue proclamation
10 the coast tribesmen stating that whatever
happened Egyptian dominion would not be ex-
tended an inch beyond SualUm. If the Govern
ment wants TO detach these tribesmen from the
Mahdi it must assure them that they will be 81
lowed to retain their positions. Did the Govern
ment, Mr.. Morley asked, consider military opera
tons so paramount that il would not suspend them
II they endangered Emin Bey and Mr. Stanley?
Sir James FERGUSON said the Government could
not give the specific declaration required. close
perusal of Osman Digna's letter increased the
doubts as to its genuineness. 1t did not bear the
impress of truth. 1t appeared TO be clever Ori
entail device. and was not sufficient to delay the
raising of the siege of Suakm.
Mr.. Gladstone said he would assume that any
negotiations with the dervishes might give so
little encouragement that they could not be
attempted as fixed policy. But as it was the
Governments policy TO draw the widest distinc-
ton between the dervishes investing Suakim, and
the comparatively powerful tribes regarded as
prcprietors Of the Soudan. why should not the
Government attempt TO convert these tribes over
10 English views, regarding the occupation of
Suakim? 1t was essential to determine whether
the occupation should be British or Egyptian.
If it Egyptian, it would be mischievous,
while British occupation was necessary. The
matter ought TO he submitted to the judgment
of the House. He himself was averse to any
occupation.
Lord Randolph Churchill said that he re-
GREETED the resumption of course which he had
denounced when il was taken by the Liberals;
still he denounced it.
Mr.. Chaplin and Mr. Beresford, Conservatives,
advocated the retention of Suakim.
Alr Morley, in order 10 obtain division, moved
TO reduce the vote for embassies by 300 pounds.
The motion was rejected by "a vote of 100
against 76
A dispatch from Suakm to The Times says
The natives do not believe that the Equatorial
Provinces have submitted 10 the Mahdi. III
they had, the natives say, Proc!amatlons to the
teope of Emns tarritory and otlIce official note
OF the Mahdi would have been made public and
the surrender of Suakim would have been de
manded A coast guard steamer which has just
arrived from the South heard nothing OF the
alleged capture OF Emln.'
The Foreign Office has made public series of
DISPATCHES giving the history of the Einn Relief
expedition. These dispatches, which are dated
from September %, 1886, 10 MAY p, 1857. show
That England from the first had direct COM
nunication with Stanley and never officially recog
aized the expedition. OF the 10000 promised
Is the Egyptian Government. the Emln Relief
tOmmittca received S.40O and that amount was
livcn only on the condition that it be refunded
sut Of the proceeds of the sale of the ivory IN
Lmin'S possession.
Il is noteworthy that the most gloomy advices
pceived by the committee from Stanley were dls-
patched from Wadeai at the end OF July, 1887.
Berlin, Dec I7-Herr MerenslIy, chief of the
African missions, thinks that Emin may have
been captured. but not Stanley 1t is more
likely he says that the white traveller re-
!errcd TO by Osman Digna is Captain Casatc,
the Italian explorer
Lieutenant WisSman has received no coun-
er-orders as vet with regard to the relief eXpe-
Liton.
Sualdm, Dec. 1.-THE Arab trenches were
heavily shelled by the forts to-day. The Twen- |
heth ilussars end two companies of the Fifth |
Egyptian Battalion have arrived here.
BOULANGER's SYMPATHY FOR DE LEssEPS.
a THREATENING AGITATION IN THE PROVINCES