Los Angeles daily herald., 1888-08-01
Gladstone Rings a Center ShOt-Ca-
BILE Flashes-PeOple Trampled
by Elephants.
Associated Press Dispatches to the HERALD

was not In order. Parn0l roplleQ
if this were the case he would
reserve further statements on the subject
until he came before the Commission,
when he would be prepared to prove his
charges by his own and others evidence
and by documents and statements. The
Nationals were quite ready to meet def
mite charges before the Court or Commis-
sion, but they could not meet innuendoes
which would be used to raise cloud of
suspicion for political purposes.
Chamberlain offered personal ex-
planation at some length. The only di-
rect communications he had with Parnell
during the period named were as follows:
The first communication related to Par
nell's release from Kilmainham jail, and
information of what occurred was duly
conveyed to Gladstone and Foster. The
second referred to the information of Ma
tional councils in Ireland. Everything
that passed between himself and Parnell
was Immediately communicated to Mr..
Gladstone and the other ministers.
Parnell said Chamberlain was a clever
man, but not enough SO to ride off in
Local Government bill. Whatever the
was, it did not touch his charges that
Chamberlain had violated his oath as a
Cabinet Minister. He could produce
letter in Chamberlain's hand, alluding
to the defeat and withdrawal of the Police
l,s11 fov Tro1o,,A ~, xr,h;ob ha <,1Or;GAI -,
Lord Spencer's discontinue at the with
drawal of the measure. [Cheers.]
Chamberlain said he did not intend to
imply that the subject Of National coun.
ellis was the only matter discussed be-
ed to say was that he had always taken
passed between him and Parnell. He ap-
pealed to Gladstone to confirm his state
ments.
Gladstone said he did not question
Chamberlain's statement regarding the
present state of his recollections he
would require to know exactly what the
communications were, before entering
into them.
In division, Reid's amendments offered
were rejected.
Sir William Harcourt charged the Gov
ernment with refusing to accept the
amendments because Webster (the At
torney- GeneraD had told them the Com
mission must inquire into anything the
Times wished to have investigated. They
wanted to allow the Times to throw its
dirt without restraint [Cheers.l The
Ministers we're making themselves con-
duit for the foul waters to be poured up
on the Irish National League; therefore
he would not trust the Commission to
inquire into what it chose to consider
proper for investigation.
Bannerman Robertson, Solicitor-Gen-
eral for Scotland, Indignantly repudiated
the accusation that the Government was
in collusion with the Times. Sir William
offered to withdraw the statement if
Smith would say that Walters of the
Times had not been consulted in settling
the bill.
Smith replied in an excited manner
that the charge was SO vindictive and
contemplate that he had not thought it
would be worthy of denial. He did not
deny having seen Walters. He simply
denied consulting with him with refer
ence to the bill.
Gladstone-Are we to understand in
plain terms that Smith had no communi-
cation with Walters on the subject of the
bill? [Hear hear!l
Smith, stated distinctly that the bill
was settled without communication with
Walters.
Sir William Harcourt said he wished
Smith had been able to say he had held
no communication with Walters on the
subject of the bill. If SO he, Harcourt,
would be able to withdraw his state
ment and apologize for having made it.
Smith replied that although Walters
had called on him, there had not been
the slightest reference made to the bill.
After some further debate, Labouchere
said the Government refused to accept
the amendment simply because it did not
dare to alter word in the bill without
the permission of Walters. 1t was ad-
mitted that Walters had advised Smith
on the morning of the day on which the
latter announced the bill.
Smith-That is not true.
Cries Of Withdrew, withdraw" came
from the opposition benches. and the
chairman said, "Does the gentleman
withdraw his expression ?"
Smith, do.
lIaDOuCu6T6 bilou bhIu Ac WOulu uOb
dwell on the incident as he conceived
Smith had apologized. Laughter.]
After considerable further debate dur
ing which the Government supporters
again excitedly denied collusion with the
Times, Mulleri's amendment was re-
| jected.
Sexton moved that the names of the
accused persons be given; he denounced
the bill as production of base political
thugs, directed against the representa-
tives of Ireland. Rejected under closure,
259 to 2O4.
Sir John Simon, Liberal, moved to
omit the words, "other persons from
the bill.
Parnell moved to report progress. Mo-
tion defeated, 2l9 to 1859.
Sexton moved that the Chairman leave
the chair. The Chairman declined tc
entertain the motion.
Mr.. Parnell complained that he was
unable to get single straightforward
statement from the Government, ane
amid Irish cheers remarked that thil
showed their sense of justice and regart
for the rights of ministers. This wa
cowardly (cheer}, but the Irish member
were not afraid; they knew when thu
end of the story was reached on thei
side would be the victory, and on tn
side of the Government the shame an
disgrace. Cheers.
The amendment was rejected by a vot
iof 1922 to 166. At s45 o'clock the Hous