The Atlanta constitution. [volume] (Atlanta, Ga.) 1885-19??, 1888-08-07
OVER THE OCEAN.
The Weeks Doings In the Old
Country.
Debate on the Bill to Inquire Into the
Times Charges-Still the Com
mission BiIl-Other News.
A Fight Over the Commission Bill.

LONDON, July 30.-The house of.commons
went into committee tonight on the bill to in
Restigate the charges against Mr.. Parnel.
! Mr.. Sexton moved to increase the number
of judges in the commission to five, If it was
ito inquire into the whole history of the
irrational league extending over nine years.
If the league embraced members in every part
of the world, it would take several years be-
Sore the inquiry could be finished Much
evidence might have to be sought abroad
Three judges were not sufficient unless the in
Quiry were limited.
MIR. Matthews, in reply, said that the govern
ment could not accept the amendment, and
that Mr.. Sexton had exaggerated the task
before the commission. Doubtless the cause
of inquiry would lead to investigations abroad !;
but there would be no difficulty in taking such
evidence, There would be nothing gained by
increasing the number of judges.
Mr.. Farnell urged the house to recollect that
they were discussing proposal to provide q
substitute for the jury. While in England
p jury Of twelve was always provided, it was
proposed that the settlement of important
far-reachjng Irish issues he involved i'll an in
auiry 10 depend upon the verdict Of two men.
There was no precedent for the commission
die denied that it was any favor to the IRISH
members. On the contrary, it was waving
SSheir ordinary position as citizens in helping
She commission. They put the public under
an obligation. While the inquiry was pend
ang he ought to be protected from press at
BACKS The leading London conservative pa
per of today had declared that the question
was nothing as to his innocence or guilt but
as to means to prove him guilty.
Mr.. Labouchere called i'll question Justice
Days fitness to serve in the commission be-
cause at the recent trial of three Irishmen for
assault held in Liverpool, Justice Day had
said that such dastardly, cowardly and brutal
erin could not have happened in England
except among the Irish.
The amendment was then voted down by a
majortty OF 43 votes, the vote standing 100
ayes, 233 nays.
Replying to suggestion of Mr. Parnell, the
golicitor-general for Ireland agreed to adjourn
Hhe t ial of O'Kelley to enable him to vote on
Ehe commission bill. Mr. Smith having pro-
posed that the commission consist of justices
EHannan, Day and Smith, Mr.. Labouchere
protested against the selection of Justice Day.
Mr.. John Morley said he quite understood
&he governments difficulty in altering the COM
position OF the committee, but that made no
difference. The fact was that it had been
dnjudicously selected. The inquiry was not
strictly of a judicial kind. Justice Day was
not expected to act as if he were on the bench.
Nothing had been said against Justices Harlan
and Smith. Their impartality was unques-
Eicned. Regarding Justice Day. he said she
had received letter from an absolutely relia-
Ible source, gentlemen having peculiar means
of knowing Justice Days record upon Irish
anformant, who wrote that Justice Day is a
man of the seventeenth century in his views
Concerning Catholics. Like Torquemada, he
was tory of the high flyer, non-juror type.
sHe nightly rails against Parnel and his
friends. He regards them as infidels and
Eebels, and as led astray by Catholic nation.
He believes them guilty Of any crime.
Is Upon division the vote stood for JUS
ftice Day 269, against $50. The names of JUS
Sizes Harmon and Smith were agreed to with
out division.
H WILL HE SERVE.
J sLoNDoN, July 30.--The Standard says it is
believed that Justice Day will now refuse to
Serve on the Parnell commission Several
Gladstonians supported the government i'll
Favor of his retention.
no Inquire Into the Charges of the Times.
LONDON, July 31.-The debate on the bill
for the appointment of commission to in
tquire into the Times charges against the Irish
members was resumed in the house Of COM
mons this evening. Mr.. w. Ell. Smith, the
government leader, moved suspension of the
standing order under which the discussion on
the commission bill would be interrupted at
midnight. Mr.. Parnell protested against q
suspension of the order. He said it was an
amendment to continue discussion on o meas
,ure Of the first importance, after the house
had been sitting nine hours. Mr.. Smith
motion was adopted by a vote of 231 to 159.
with the minority and were cheered by the
Parnelites.
I Tonight Mr.. Parnell, resuming the debate
on II. L. Reid proposal to restrict inquiring
into conduct of his associates to accusations
for murder and violence. said that he referred
net i'll office from 1852 which had frequently
been divulged by Mr.. Chamberlain to himself
and other nationals.
Mr.. Chamberlain said he desired to offer a
H., d.. !
certain vague and shadowy accusations against
him, referring to he knew not what, and had
Threatened to bring the accusations before a
commission. That is well, it the charges were
'germane to the subjects referred to the COM
mission. He would be happy to give any
explanations that might be found Necessary.
800 So far as he recollected the only direct
Communications he had had with Mr.. Parnell
during the whole of that period were as fol-
lows: First, a communication related to Par
nell'S release from kimainham Jail and infor-
NATION ofwhat occurred was duly conveyed to
Messrs. Gladstone and Forster; second a COM
muncation referred to the formation of ma
tional councils in Ireland This scheme Mr.
Parnell himself had suggested to him. Mr..
tParnell now denied ever having approved that
'propo,al.
q Parnell, "I don't deny asserting to the pro-
.posal to establish a national council in Dublin
{What deny is constructing OR asserting to
Chamberlain's scheme"
I1f. OudHuUeFltln repeated ClaG the scheme
was brought to him by Mr., Parnell. lie had
proof of this in Parnell's own hand-not let
ters written by his secretary, but letters wholly
Yin Parnells writing. Everything that passed
Between himself ami I'arnell was Immediately
communicated to Gladstone and Lord Hart
Hngton and other ministers. On two other
occasions he had had direct personal commun
ication with Mr.. Parnell. Once was in the
shouse Of commons, about which he remem-
Ibered nothing; the other was on the Sunday
after the Phoenix park MURDERS OShea
scalled on him, bringing Parnell with him
! Mr. Parnell said: "That's not true"
Mr.. Chamberlain repliedethat O'Shea was
certainly present, but that nothing was said or
done at that meeting which either he or Mr..
Parnell had occasion to conceal or of which
either could be ashamed.
Mr.. Parnell, in reply, said that Mr. Cham
berlain might be clever man but he was not
clever enough to ride off on transparently
false issue by the Irish local government bill.
In division on Reid's amendment the house
voted ~ against and 107 for it,
Sir William Harcourt read an extract from
"Parnellism and Crime" with reference to
Mr.. Gladstone and the governments releasing
O'DonoVan Rosa, and asked whether Judges
would be bound to inquire into these allega-
tions of Gladstone's completely in crime.
( Sir Edward Clarke said it was for commits
eioners to act as they saw fit. No reasonable
imam would suppose they would have anything
IN do with