Richmond dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1884-1903, 1888-08-01

ton with Walter on tho subject OF the billy
lCrles OF Heart iieafi''1
Mr. smith stated distinctly that the bin
was solely without communication with
Walter
Sir. William Harcourt said that he wished
that MIR. Smith had been able 10 say tba; be
bad held no communication with Waiter on
the subject of the bill. II 20 he (iiarcours)
WOULD have been able b withdraw biz slate
ment and apologize for having made Il
Mr.. Goschcu: Then does tho honorable
gentleman not withdraw his statement that
the bin was drawn with the conniyance Of
Waiter or IN collision with the JSmeS7
SIR William Harcourt ia reply declared
that he held Smith 10 personal respect, but
that it was extremely improper that the Gov
ernmont should communicate with the per-
sons bringing In the accusation and not with
the persons accused. As the facts stood the
Government now admitted having done 80.
[Parueilite cheers
Mr.. Smith claimed that he had made an ex-
pliclt statement that the bin had been drawn
without communication with the Times.
Although Walter hsd called upon him there
had not been the slightest reference made TO
the bill either orally or In writing. [Cheers.]
Mr.. Gladstone, recurring 10 the amend
ment, held that the House ought 10 know
whether the judges would refuse to con-
slider malicious, irrelevant. and trivial
charges. II they bad the power 10 do so the
fact WAS virtually excluded from the bill.
Mr.. Goschen conceded that the power to
refuse TO inquire into irrelevant topics was
inherent In the measure.
Mr.. Lsboucbere said that the Government
refused TO accept the amendment because 1t
did not dare TO alter a word IN the bill with.
out the permission Of Mr.. Waiter IL was
admitted that Mr. Walter had visited Mr..
Smith on the morning OF the day on which
the latter announced the bin.
Mr. Smith That Ia not true.
Cries OF " Withdraw I Withdraw !" came
from the Opposition benches, and the Chair
man said: Does the gentleman withdraw
the exprcssionY
Mr.. smith: do.
Mr.. Labouchere then said he would not
dwell upon the incident, as he conceived
that MIR. Smith bad apologiZed. tLaug hter.l
Upon Mr.. Ritcbies' repeating on behalf OF
Mr.. Smith that Mr.. Walter called after the
bill had been framed Mr.. Lsbouchere re-
iorted: Doubtless &c IL convenient for the
leader OF the Government to put honorable
gentlemen up TO make that statement [Cries OF
"Obl OIL" and cheers But will the
leader oi the Government answer this speci-
nc question Did MIR. Walter Wait him on
the day he announced that the commission
would be granted2
nr. Smith, / have stated TO the House
everything that has happened.
Mr.. Labouchere deGed Dir. Smith TO an
swer The question. lie said that II Mr..
Smith did not deny that Mr.. Wslier called
upon him on the day referred to every mem
ber would know what to think. IL was
pitiable position for leader OF the House.
[Cbeers.l
MIR. Hsaly said be thought that the time
had arrived for distribution among the
members OF copies Of Psrnelllsm and
Crime" especially as Mr.. Smith was In
ierested In the sale o. the pamphlet. laugh
teri lie announced that he intended to
bring a charge against Mr.. Matthews with
reference 10 the expenditure Of G1,000 while
cOntesting Duugsryan.
The Chairman ruled that Mr.. Healy's re-
marks regarding Mr. Matthews were irrcle.
want, and Mr.. Hesly replied that as he had
not read "Parnelism and Crime" he was
unable TO say whether they were irrelevant
or not.
Sir william Hsrcourt read an extract from
"parnelllsm and Crime" with reference 10
the Gladstone Governments releasing
O'DOn7vaO Rosa and asked whether the
Judges would be bound to inquire into these
allegations Of Gladst0ne's completely in
crime. [Laugbter.l
SIR Edward Clark, S0licltOr.General, said
II was for the commissioners TO net a. they
saw tit. No reasonable man would suppose
that they would have anything to do with
the statements connecting DIR. Gladstone
with Patrick Ford. Laughter and cheers.]
Mr.. Gladstone said he would have beer
the last man TO object il Clarke had gone
step. further. He said that it was proper
that these things should be investigated.
[Cheersl There was certainly some mixture
Of the tragic and udicrous in being de-
scribed as recruit 10 the doctrines and |
practices Of Patrick Ford. SIN the charge
was made, aud he might be told that the
matter was irrelevant. II so, then why did
Mr.. Webster read the passage! According
to the Goschcn inquiry into this matter. IL
was clearly within the puryiew Of the bill.
Amid constant ParDelhte cheers Dir.
Gladstone argued with great force that the
Parneilites were entitled TO the right which
was not denied to the vilest criminals OF
having charges against them clearly spec-
fed. Justice required that the commission
be empowered to exclude vague and irrele-
want charges. He concluded by commenting
severely on the conduct Of the Government
for refusing any concessions 10 fair demands
OF the opposition.
After further discussion the amendment
was rejected by a vote OF 222 10 lG6 and at
3:45 O'Clock the House adjourned.