The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1888-11-14
GROVER FORESAyy DEFEAT.
He Predicted the Loss or New York, and
CHARGED IT tn Hewitt.

Charged 1t to Hewitt.
New York Special to Louisville Courer.J ournal.
Ex Judge A. W. Ruckcr, prominent, we'll
known Democrat Of Colorado, according to
Denver dispatch to the Sun. to-day, makes the
following remarkable statement
On Oct 27. was taken into the presence OF
President Cleveland. and found him conversing
with Senator Blackburn and Secretary Endi-
cots told him that the Democrats Of Colorado
were very much interested in his reelection,
and asked him what be thought Of his chances.
He at once began talking OF New York. and
said: Mayor Hewitt IS running for the pur-
pose OF defeating me. de does not like me, and
nsver did
"When tho President said this, Senator
Blackburn said: The old rascal ought to have
sea-
''The President continued, Hewitt IL Dem
ocrat, but anxious to defeat me. Grant Is q
good Democrat, but his desire for success has
overshadowed all other interests; and then
Tammany never liked me. Governor Hill 10
good Democrat, but also too anxious TO win. and
will be traded off on his account every op-
portunity. beyond doubt Erhardt. the Repub-
lican nominee for Mayor was put up simply to
DO traded off. Now. with all these conditions
against me, how can hope TO carry New York;
''Mr. Cleveland added: The only grain Of
comfort that have bad in two weeks was yes
terday, when Ex-Governor Curtin, Of Pennsyl-
vauis, called. He assured me that from his
personal acquaintance with the man, Senator
Quay was not equal to the contracts he had un-
dertakeu when he assured the Repub-
lican party of success; that the Republicans
were greatly deceived in the ability
Ing; but fear that the Republican chairman is
doing something that my friends will not be able
TO Offset / know, for instance. that there are
between ten and fifteen hundred tramps and
bummers registered in New York county. ard il
they all vote with the Republicans it will beat
.ee Ia ikse!f II our people could Offset this by
gains In the outside counties thero would be a
chance for victory Then, continuing, the Pres
ident said: i am strongly of the opinion that we
viii lose New York through the trading for
Hewitt and Grant and Gov HILL also concede
Connecticut to the Republicans. while Indians
10 too close for calculation. OF course, New
Jersey will prove Democratic. Personally. do
not care about the result but would regret
very much 20 see tho Democratic party sustain
defeat this time
"Judes Rucker says he left the President 10
company with Senator Blackburn. and after
they bad made their exit the Senator from Ken
lucky said he was glad Cleveland was badly
frightened. as he would do something now to
save New York State Judge Rucker says that
he came to the conclusion at once that there was
little hope FOR Democrats success on Nov g. and
upon his return home lost no time in advising
his friends accordingly"
An alleged interview bstween the President
ardex-Judge A. W. Rucker, OF Denver, at which
Senator Blackburn. OF Kentucky. WAS present
was published to-day. The interview was said
to have occurred at the White House week or
more before the election. and MIR. Cleveland is
| quoted as saying, among other things. Hewitt
is Democrat, but he is anxious to defeat me.
He la running for the purpose OF defeating me.
he does not like me, and never did" 10 which
| Senator Blackburn is alleged to have replied.
''The old rascal ought to have stone tied to his
neck and thrown in the river"
Mayor Hewitt, in response TO q question by
reporter, said that he had read the report of the
interview, but he did not believe that either Mr..
Cleveland or Senator Blackburn said what is
attributed to them "My principal reason for
doubling it," Mr.. Hewitt said. "is that find 1t
reported in newspaper. IL the story came IN
| reliable form, might have something to say.
II Mr.. Cleveland did make the remark, the re-
turns of the election in New York city, which
he has since had the opportunity to study. will
disaouse his mind on the subject. They show
that my candidacy increased instead of dimin-
ished his majority. 1t was not in New York
city. but In tho interior OF the State, that he
was haatsn. The Republicans voted solidly for
Harrison here; for Mayor, 5000 OF them voted
for Grant, and perhaps 10000 voted for me. In
the division of tho Democratic vote was the
sufferer, not Dir. Cleveland. AS far as be
is concerned the local split worked
no injury whatever II there had been two or
three Democratic candidates In every county Ia
better. AT all events, he can't shaxe his cory
locks at me. i might easily prove this by the
fcures-but pshaw. what's the use OF disputing
over dead horse--or dead Mayor, rathsri'
The same interview described Mr.. Cleveland
IS saying: Grant 10 q good Democrat, but his
desire for success has overshsdowed all other
interests; and then Tammapy never liked me-. /"
Msyorelect Grant said 70 reporter to-day:
81 have no response to make to ex-Judge Ruck-
er's alleged quotation. In my speech at Tam
mi al ma III II t0lT a. NV
friends to prefer Cleveland and Thurman before
my own candidacy. ! said this repeatedly
throughout the campaign. / am sorry Mr.
Cleveland thinks Of me as represented by MIR.
Rucber. and all that ! can cay is, that / cannot
help 1t II he had permitted himself to be mislsd
on the subject