New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1887-07-15
visible last night at the Duchess Of st. Abans's
party, and his health was as good as ever.
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THE DEBATE ON IRELAND.
VIEWS OF LORDS AND CoMMoNERs.


VIEWS OF LORDS AND COMMONERs
THE HOUSE OF LORDS CONSIDERS THx CRIMES BILL
AND THE HOUSE OF COMMONS THE LAND BILL
LONDON, July 1A-In the House Of Lords this after
noon Baron Ashbourne, Lord Chancellor Of Ireland,
moved the second reading Of the Crimes bill. In making
the motion he described the bill measure that was
intended to counteract the criminal. demoralizing
system Of intimidation reignng in ireland, system
that coeroed loyal people and nterfered with every
lation Of life.
Neither age spared from this odiors,
fcrocious, cowardy tyranny. 1t sander upon the
trades unions to compare them with the national
League; and 1t absolutely startling to hear Mr.
Gladstone cloak tho abomnabe system of boycotting
under the euphemism of exclusive dealing" The Dill
was called bill. but what liberty existed In
country where q was not allowed to take grazing
build house supply goods to his neighbors without
exposing himself outrage and murder; where people
could buy, sell, employ or be employed without
being subject to the direst tyranny In submitting
necessary for the protection OF honest
subjects the Ministers had right to rely upon the loyal
cooperation Of the Opposition instead OF resoute OBJ
struction. Cries Of Hear hear! y A weak bill would
be worthless and this while strong enough to
be to evidoers, would not jeopardze the liberty
of a single innocent man. [Cheers.
Earl Granville said he would not deny that the Govern
ment hndng itself unable to maintain law and order by
the existing machinery had the right to apply to Para
ment for further powers but whom restrictions were
proposed suspendng common personal rights the clear
est proof was required to justify exceptional law
The state Of Ireland peaceabe now as 1t was In
1885, when the ordinary law found to be sufficient
Everybody knew that the real aim Of the bill was to
suppress combinations that interfered with the policy
OF the Government and to brand them as Illegal II was
the undoubted right OF every man to deal with his
neighbors or not as he liked. The measure was OF
deplorably dangerous character and would certainly
lead to grave evils In ireland. The Opposition, having
done Its utmost TO resist the passage Of the BILL must
leave upon Government the responsibility for the
results. IT,
The Duke of Argyll Lord Carnarvon and others spoke
and the bin was then read second time The measure
In the House of Commons thi: evening Lord Randolph
to ME- the S be-
rejeetsd) only raising false issue There was gen
se to Sa s
antry 1t was great mistake to mpute want OF g9od
The government had been forced to offer temporary
land measure before the session closed Tor no more
than administer the Grimes act unacoompanied by
measure which would satisfy the tenantry. lCnes o,
@
stricons of the easeholders clause waich he hoped
tenantry would derive benefit from the clause deal
ing with evctions lParneliite cheers He would fear
with the powers conferred upon them under that clause
Of what would have sS ss Of
this clause had been In operation last winter He did
aptry Wond have been eviced and the result would
have been state of tumult and disorder appalling to
Il was not within the limit of physical possibilities to
deal with the clause this session The bill must be
lghtened by throwing IL Tho bankruptcy clauses
were equally Objectionable, inasmuch as they would
tend to lower the moral tone OF the tenantry besides
producing an immeasurable OF litigation lCheers
from the irish benchesl The Government, in view Of
the large number Of tenants wno w was he ens b"S
up system of national credit widespread founda-
the Irish members would agree deal with and
revision the judicial instead Of the bankruptcy
snd would W become acceptable 70 the country Chesrs
Sir William Vernon Hsrcourt congratulated Lord
Randolph Churchill his clear exposition OF the de-
fects OF the hill II Lord Randolphs speech led to new
development Of the bill the House would M have no d
capital operation under choroform upon the measure
Of the b II the a:senied the
would try to put some decent clothing on the ske
that both Tories and Liberals opposed and the bi going
without delay into committee, would find an easy pass
MIR Goschen, Chancellor OF the Exchequer, speaking
In behalf OF the Government said tina; they must refuse
their convictions Dwelling the temporary character
OF the bill he said the Government would 90 tne pes.
tho views OF the gentlemen on the other sie
with regard TO the househoders clause but ne boldly de
the opposition to that clause supposon that 1t
deemed advisable 10 keep up the eviction agitauon
erumsnt was not prepared TO drop the clause believing
the stOppsge OF evictons would take away hall me
In trade OF the Irish agators. lie defended tho
bankruptcy clauses denied Lord Randolph Churchrs
assertion that tho Government was trying to found
system OF National credit.
Mr. Parne upon rising. was loudly cheered He said
he thought Mt Goscen was ocAs h sS nurobsse bill
than the Interests OF the Irish tenants Inc Govern
under another name OBJECT Of getting rid OF the
records OF such transactions as evictons Ihe attempt
would end, the land would not be
purchased on the judicial basis He warned the Govern
that their land scheme would not Affect the nao
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