The Portland daily press. [volume] (Portland, Me.) 1862-1921, 1887-08-27
SHARPLY DEBATEp.
cladstonians Demand Statements
They Do Not Get.
Charges and Denials of the Practices
of the League.
The Resolution to the Queen Defeat.
ed, 272 to ie4.

LONDON, Aug. 26-The debate ON Glad
stones motion was resumed in the House
this afternoon. Sir G. o. Travelyan said
that Gladstones government did not base
its crimes bill on hearsay, but on the parlia-
mentary returns of grave outrages. There
has been 77SS outrages in the previous wear
and 26 agrarian and political murders in the
first half of the year. In the present ease,
the House ought 10 have the tabulated sta
tistics of crime in Ireland. Mention of a
crime here and another there is not sufficient
to Justify the action the government propos-
es. He denied that the League increased
crime or led to the non payment Of rent. The
House should have chance to corroborate
or refute Mr.. Ralfour's alleged facts before
deciding.
Sir R. E. Webster, Attorney General, re-
minded the House that Earl Spencer's gov
ernment repeatedly proclaimed the Land
League meetings. SirG. O. Trevelyan sup
ported these on the ground that the OBJ
jects of the League were to put down land
lordism and effect separation between Ire
land and England. The objects of the
existing League are the same. We were
told this was to be the death struggle. Well,
either the League or the government will go
down. Qrish cheers.) The government will
be sustnined by the consciousness of having
done its duty.
Mr.. Harrington (Nationalist) read letter
from branches of the League, condemning
the practices which the government declared
ates every form of outrage and will go on do
ing what 1t has done in spite of proclama-
tiOns, which have no terrors for the Irish
people. Cheers.
Mr. MacKarney said that the proclama-
ton was necessary because the League
would never attain its primary objects by
constitutional means.
Mr.. William Redmond accused the Orange
Society of worse intimidation than has ever
been charged to the League. Under certain
circumstances boycotting Is justifable and
necessary. Cheers from the ministerial
benches).
Marquis Harrington said that the League
is hostile to social order. (Cheers). The
House had already decided that intimidation
prevails, preventing persons from pursuing
their lawful occupations. 1t is not the duty
of the government to lay before Parliament
the information desired by the opposition.
The crimes act is law, and the action was
taken by the government as its executive. 1t
is not necessary to produce evidence in sup
port of executive acts. He believed the
Leagues aim was sp0liation and injustice,
and its methods in defiance of law. (Cheers).
He should have preferred, If possible. that
the government resort in the first instance, to
the provisions kOf the crimes act, but with
their aim and object he entirely and earnest
ly SympathiZed.
After further debate, Gladstone's resolu-
tion was negatived-272 to 1914.
Healey, who ended the debate, counselled
tions of the English people and to wait pa
tiently.
ciadstone's Estimate.
In an interview today Mr.. Gladstone. in
reply to question as to whether he expected
to beat the government tonight, said:
mo, we can't expect to do that, but the
fact that year ago the government majority
was ITO, while now the most sanguine Con-
servatives only anticipate a majority Of 60 ON
the proclaiming Of the League, shows what
tremendous change has come over the face of
the country. The change is coming more
rapidly than many people imagine, and, in
fact, quite fast enough"
For the Good of the Cause.
1t is expected that there will be serious
times ia Ireland after the adjournment OF
Parliament. All of the Irish members ex-
pect TO be prosecuted and imprisoned Mr..
Harrington. M. p. Secretary of the National
League, said yesterday that he believed the
prosecution of Editor O'Brien would result
in conviction aud sentence of six months
Imprisonment.
The Nation and Weekly News of Dublin
publishes an article Of which the following
Is an extract:
Any attempt to infringe upon the liberty of the
press must be granpled with at the outset II
any branches of the League are forbidden to
meet We shall be happy to publish reports of the
resolutions OF their secret conclaves If sent to us,
and we will face the consequences.
Foreign Notes.
No meetings of the Irish League are an
nounced for Sunday
Viscount Doneraie has died from hydro
phObia, caused by the of a fox.