The morning news. [volume] (Savannah, Ga.) 1887-1900, 1887-08-27
NO H0PEF0R THELEAGUE
GLADSToNE'S MOTION DEFEATED
BY A VOTE OF 272 TO 1914.

106 AdjOlASy AebA SO1 uA1tbl Ju6 SOu-
servatives Counted On-Hartington
Denies that He Has Deserted the
Government on Account of the
Manifesto-Drift of the Debate.
LONDON, Aug. 26.-In an interview with
a representative Of the press, to-day, Mr.
Gladstone, in reply to a question as to
whether he expected to beat the government
tonight, said: mo. We can't expect to
do that, but the fact that year ago the
government majority was 10, while now
the most sanguine Conservatives only an
ticpate majority of sixty on proclaiming
the league, shows what tremendous change
has come over the feelings of the country
The change is coming more rapidly than
many people imagine, and, in fact, quite
fast enough"
The government to-day issued a whip,
which especially and earnestly requested
the attendance of all its supporters at the
session of the House of Commons tonight,
to vote upon Mr.. Gladstone's motion regard
ing the proclamation of the National
League.
THE DEBATE RESUMED.
In the House of Commons to-day Sir
George o. Trevelyan, one of the late Glad
stonite recruirs, resumed the debate on Mr.
Gladstone's motion for an address to the
Queen praying for notification of the gov.
ernment's proclaiming of the Irish National
League He said the late government did
not ask the House of Commons to pass their
Irish crimes bill on hearsay, but that they
based their demands on parliamentary re-
turns of grave outrages. There had been
committed 7,7SS outrages during
the previous year and 20 agra
rian and political murders during the
first half of the year. Sir George con.
tended that the House should have tabu-
lated statistics of crime in Ireland, and that
to mention one crime here and another
crime there was not sufficient to justify
such action as the government were now
taking against the whole Irish people. He
denied that the general operations of the
Irish National League increased crime in
Ireland or led to the general non-payment
of rent The league existed everywhere in
Ireland, and everywhere agrarian crime
was infinitesimal
RESTS WITH THE LANDLORDS.
Where landlords in Ireland made reduc-
tons like those made by landlords in Great
Britain they got their rents as easily as the
English landlords When the speaker went
TO Ireland as Chief Secretary, under the
late government, it was with a resolution
to wage war against crime, and against that
only, and he maintained that policy on the
whole. LET the House understand" he
continued, that if the proclamation of the
league is sanctioned, every Irish
man belonging to the league who
will not leave it at the command of
the government will be liable to be punished
as a common criminal and that liability
will not depend on any judicial proceeding
worthy OF the name," In conclusion, he
complained that the statements made by
Mr.. Bafour, Chief Secretary for Ireland,
and only given out last night, left no time
for the examination OF their character. Mr..
Balfour had presented a series of alleged
facts in justification of the governments
action. These allegations the House should
have a chance to corroborate or refute be-
fore coming to decision.
TERRoRs OF THE LEAGUE
Sir r. E. Webster, Attorney General,
held that the reason why there were not
more convictions of crime in Ireland was
simply because of the terror of the league.
He reminded the House that Earl Spencer
government had repeatedly proclaimed land
league meetings, and that Secretary Trevel-
yam had supported these proclamations on
the ground that the objects of the land
league were to put down landlordism and to
effect separation between Ireland and Eng
land.
The objects of the existing league, said
the speaker, were the same. Its aims had
not been changed. Abundant evidence had
already been adduced as TO the evil work
ings Of tho league. The government would
now try the experiment whether the sup
preston of league meetings would not
lessen intimidation. [Cheers.1 They were
told this would be the death-struggle, Well,
either the league or the government would
go down. [Cheering.l He did not fear
for the result. The government would be
supported by the consciousness that they
had done their duty.
ONE OF THE LEAGUES FATHER.
Mr Harrington (Nationalist) said that as
one largely responsible for the league he de
sired to reply to the calumnies that had
been hurled at its character He read letters
from branches of the league cOndemning
practices which the government declared
the league promoted. The league repudi
ated every form Of outrage The league
would go on doing what it bad done in spite
OF proclanations, which had no terrors fol
the Irish people. [Cheers.l
Mr. Mccartney declared that large ma
lority of the people were heartily sick of the
leagues policy. He said that the proclama
tion was Necessary because the league would
never attain its primary objects by consti
tutional means.
William Redmond accused the Orange
society of worse intimidation than was evel
charged to the league, which was genuine
national association. Under certain cir.
Cllmstance2, he said, boycotting was justitia
oie and necessary. [Cheers from the minis
terlal benches
LORD HARTINGToN'S RAP.
Lord Harrington said he did not think
the speech Of Mr.. Redmond would influence
me House III favor of the constitutional anC
legitimate character of the league. FL
doubted whether, if Sir George .. Trevel
yanS views upon the crimes act bad beer
known in Bridgton, he would have got
the support Of the Irish electors. Laugh
Ter Sir George did not dwell on
me object or the tyranny Of the league, or
the ruin ard loss it caused, nor did he enter
upon the question whether Lord Salisbury
ana Earl Spencer were justified in the poh
eleS they adopted. The question for the
present discussion was whether the previous
poncy, which had been so successful, should
oe followed by the present government.
DRAWING THE LINE.
AS lar as the action of an association wa!
wholiy political it could not be condemned
Dut II the action of an association destroyed
Ile liberty of the people and subverted ordel
una good government it did not matter
What The supposed motives of the associa
llon W re. II was enough that its actor
wa was hostile to social order. [Cheers.l The
house had already decided thai
Intimidation t,,axotlal ,,a,.Scn,