St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1887-11-18
The Pennant Winners of the
Northwest Now Have a
Good Chance
To Secure q Place in the
Newly Formed Western
League.
Kansas City Said to Have Re-
tired to Join the American
Association.
The Ball Players Brotherhood
Secure at Least Partial
Recognition.
Specfal to the Globe,

Special to the Globe.
OSHKOSH, Wis, Nov. ia dispatch
was received from st. Paul to-day by
the Oshkosh directors asking if OSh-
kOSh would take the place of Kansas
City in the Western league, the latter
city having withdrawn. The dispatch
coming from an unofficial source the dl-
rectOrS have not taken action, or will
not until there is something more def
mite about the matter. There is feel
ing in favor of the team here, however,
and if Kansas City withdrawS a stock
company may be formed here. Manager
Selle telegraphs that he has not been
able to dicker with Omaha and that sew
eral members OF last seasons Oshkosh
team are at liberty.
Joseph Porter, one of the directors of
the Oshkosh association, was seen late
tonight in regard to the news that Kan
sas City had dropped out, and that
Oshkosh was likely to be admitted to
the Western league. He said that it
caused
A GOOD DEAL OF SURPRISE
to the board, and that none were in
position to say what action would be
taken. The directors had taken pride
in last years team, and would have
backed it next year, but it is pretty late
in the day to think about getting club
together. However, he had talked with
Mr.. Sawyer, and, though they had been
very shabbily treated, they were still
enthusiastic, and would consider the
matter favOrably under certain condi-
tons. Just what conditions he did not
state. The average attendance this
year, he said, was over 600 each game,
and he deemed that the attendance
would be much larger next year,
especially if Sunday games were per-
mitted, and he was in favor of them.
The association this season lost money,
but not near as large a sum as has been
reported. The city had gained by hav-
ing club. 1t would not be satisfied
with an amateur nine. Mr.. Porter
seemed very enthusiastic over base ball,
and, as he is wealthy man, will no
doubt vote in favor of joining the West
ern league. E. p. Sawyer will no doubt
come to the front also.
AT KANSAS CITY.
Special to the Globe.
KANSAS CITY, Mo-, Nov. 17.-Specu-
lation has been rife here over the sud-
den departure of E. E. MenZeS, presi
dent of the new Kansas City ball club,
for st. Louis. He went there Wednes-
day night in response to telegram
from Chris Won der Abe saying, "COme
to st. Louis at once for your own inter-
est" The prevailing idea is that Kan
SaS City has been offered a place i'll the
American association, to fill the vacancy
caused by the dropping out of the Met
ropOlitanS. The reason for entertain
ing this belief is that Won der Abe is
known to have long been anxious to have
all association club here. If it is
true that Kansas City has been adj
mitted to the association, her place in
the Western league will be taken by
Oshkosh. Mr.. Menges has not been
heard from directly as to the nature of
his consultation with the st. Louis base
ball magnate, but it is learned that he
left there for home this evening. An
other rumOr prevailed this afternoon to
the effect that the Kansas City club has
secured several of the Metropolitan
players and that probably one or two OF
the st. Louis players are included in.the
deal. Nothing definite, however, will
be known until Menges gets back.
HEARD IN ST. PAUL.
President Thompson and Manager
Barnes, of the st. Paul team, we're both
seen yesterday in regard to the rumOr
printed above, but neither of themwas.in-
clined to believe it. Mr.. Thompson
thought Buffalo would be much more
likely than Kansas City to be chosen to
fill the vacancy OccaSi0ned by the re-
tirement of the Metropolitan team. Mr..
Barnes said, in case Kansas City should
drop out, Oshkosh would be chosen to
fill the empty peg hole. OF course,
nothing definite has been done
toward the admission of Kansas City to
the American association because this
IT quires a meeting Mr.. Won der Abe
is simply in an unofficial capacity as
Ct running whether or not Kansas City
is willing to become member of the
American association. Such informa-
ton as he obtains will be communicated
to tine various club presidents of the
organization, and at the next meeting
action can be taken. If the reports are
true, it is evident that both Kansas City
and the American association are max
ing a foolish move. Kansas City could
not expect to make creditable showing
with the older organization, and the
other clubs would spend an enormous
amount of money in travelling beyond the
western limit of the old circuit. How
ever. if the two parties to the tranSac-
ton make the leap, it is almost fore
gone conclusion that Oshkosh will go
into the Western league. The enthu-
siasm of the lovers of the national sport
in Oshkosh does not seem to have abated
in the least, and it is probable that Man.
ager Seele and half of the old team, in
Guiding Loyett and Wilson, can be
secured again.