The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1887-08-27
Sir George 0. Trevelyan Resumes the Discus
sion. Speaking in Behalf of Ireland,
While Harrington Argues for the Tories.
GIadstone's Resolution Finally Rejected
and the Ministry Sustained.
The Death of One of Pasteur'S Patients Revives
Discussion Of His Method-Another At
tempt on the Life of Russias Car.
COERCION FOR IRELAND.
Conclusion of the Debate on Gladstone's Res.
olution-The Ministry Sustained.

Conclusion of the Debate Gladstone's Res
olution--The Ministry Sustained.
LONDON, Aug. 26.-The House of Commons is
crowded with strangers to night. public interest
in the division on Mr. Gladstones motion being
intense. Among the members, too, there is
feeling of anxiety, but this chiefly arises from
the uncertainty to how certain Unionists will
vote rather than from any doubt of the result.
The course of several leading Unionists has for
some days been source of curiosity to a great
many persons, as well as a matter of much
speculation, and a great many bets large and
small have been laid the turn of their votes.
Lord Harrington and Mr.. Chamberlain, in
spite of their anomalous relations with
another, support the government, but the latter
does SO with many qualms The continued hob
nobbing of Mr.. Chamberlain with Mr. Trevelyan
in the lobbes during the past week has
attracted a great deal OF attention and provoked
considerable criticism of the Birmingham mans
discretion in thus leaving himself open to attack
upon the charge of dealing with the enemy for
terms Of surrender. Such charge against Mr..
Chamberlain would be groundless. however, as
all who know him have faith that he would
openly return to the Liberal party if he went
back at all and not stoop to questionable methods
of making terms with his former political COM
panons.
Sir George o. Trevelyan, one Of the late
Gladstonite recruits, resumed the debate on Mr..
Gladstone's morion for address to the Queen
praying for notification Of the governments pro-
claiming of the Irish National League. He
said that the late government did not ask the
House of Commons to pass their Irish crimes
bill on hearsay, but that they based their de-
mands on parliamentary returns of grave out
RACES There had been committed 7,78S out
RACES during the previous year, and twentysix
agrarian and political murders during the first
half of the year. Sir George contended that the
House should have tabulated statistics of crime
in Ireland, and that to mention crime here and
another crime there not sufficient to justify
such action the government were now taking
against the whole Irish people. He denied that
the general operations of the Irish National
League increased crime in Ireland or led to the
general non payment of rent. The league ex-
listed everywhere in Ireland, and everywhere
agraran crime was ininitesimal Where land
lords in Ireland made reductions like those
made by landlords in Great Britain. they got
their rents as easily as the English landlords
When the speaker went to Ireland as Chief Sec
retary under the late government 1t was with a
resolution to wage war against crime. and
against that only. and he maintained that policy
on the whole. "Let the house
understand" he continued, 'that if
the proclamation of the league
is sanctioned. every Irishman belonging to the
league who will not leave it at the command OF
the government will be liable to be punished as
a common criminal. and that liability will not
depend on any judicial proceeding worthy of the
name" In conclusion. he complained that the
statements made by Mr.. Balfour. Chief Secre-
tary for Ireland, and only given out last night,
left TO time for examination of their character.
Mr.. Balfour had presented series of alleged
facts in justification of the governments action
These allegations the House should have
chance to corrcborate or refute before coming to
a decision.
Sir R. E. Webster, Attorney general held
that the reason why there were not more con-
victions of crime in Ireland was simply be-
cause of terror of the league. He reminded
the House that Earl Spencer's government had
repeatedly proclaimed the Land League meet
ings, and that Sir George o. Trevelyan had sup
ported these proclamat ions on the ground that
the objects of the Land League were to put
down landlordism and to effect separ alton be-
tween Ireland and England. The objects of the
existing league said the speaker. were the
same Its aims had not been changed.
Abundant evidence had already been adduced
as TO the evil workings of the league. The gov
ernment would now try the experiment wh ether
the suppression of league meetings would not
lessen the intimidation: Irish cheersl They
were told this would be the death struggle.
Well, either the league or tho government would
go down. Irish cheers He did not fear for
the result The government would be sup-
ported by the consciousness that they had done
their duty.
T. Harrington tNationalist) said that, as one
largely responsible for the league, he desired to
reply to the calumnies that had been hurled at its
character He read letters from branches of the
league condemning the practices which the gov
ernment declared the league promoted The
league would go on doing what it had done in
spite of proclamations. which had no terrors for
the Irish people Cheers.
Mr.. Mccartney declared that large majority |
OF the people were heartily sick of the leagues |
policy. lie said that the proclamation |
necessary because the league would never attain |
its primary objects by constitutional
Mr.. William Redmond accused the Orange So |
ciety of worse intimidation than ever |
tional association. Under certain circumstances.
he said. boycotting was justifabie and necessary.
lCheers from the ministerial benchesl.
Lord Harrington said he did not think the |
speech OF Mr.. Redmond would influence the |
House in favor of the constitutional and legiti-
mate character of the league He doubted |
whsther If Sir George o. Trevelyan's views up /
on the crimes act had been known in Bridgeton |
he would have received the support of the Irish |
electors Laughter Sir George did not dwell
on the subject or the tyrnany of |
the league. or the ruin loss |
it occasio1eG, nor did he enter upon the question
whether LORD Salisbury and Earl Spencer
justified in the policies they adopted. The /
question for present decision was whether the |
previous policy which had been so successful |
should be followed by the present government il |
the tyranny of the league became more ram
pant and more organized. AS far as the action
of an association was wholly political it could /
not be condemned, but il the action of an asso
citation destroy ed the liberty of the people and
subverted order and good government,
it did not matter what the sup
posed motives of the association
were. Il is enough that its action was
hostile to social order. ICheers The House
had already decided that intimidation prevailed
preventing persons from pursuing their lawful
1t not the duty of the gov
to lay before Parliament the informa-
ton desired by the opposition. The crimes act
was now a part of the law Action was taken