Omaha daily bee., 1887-02-21
TALKS WITH ROMAN LEADERS
Various Opinions Expressed On the Result
of the Jacobini Letters.
WILL THEY AID THE sEPTENNATE
What the Vatican Expects to Gain
Dy Its Ovcrtures-Italian Poll
ticians Give Their Views
On the Outcome.
Interviews with officials.

GptClHl 10 lIlc DEE. l-DaIOu NOnNcHlOcLeI,
Prussian minister to the vatican, kindly
left his breakfast table when 1 called upon
him at the Palazzo Capranica this morning
and favored me with five minutes conyersa-
tlon on tho German elections and the Jaco-
bini letters. His eXcellency expressed his
views in English, which he speaks fluently.
/ give TO you q summary of his remarks as
nearly as possible in his own words:
IL hope" said lie, "the government will
have ajOrity, but for my views that would
not be enough. 1t must have large major
ity. What is wanted is great moral mani
festation."
From what party does the government eX-
pect to gain seats? Does your eXcellency see
any change in their aims except on the part
OF the progressitsW
''Oh, from the center also, l hope" said
his eXcellency.
'The vatican letters, then, are likely to
have good etfect%'
"Yes, hope the splendid words of the
pope supporting the septennate in the inter-
ests OF the peace and numa nifty in the father
land will be listened to-"
"Ts it not fact that Rome Is inclin ed to
regard the mission OF the centre as finished
thinks 1t time 1t was succeeded by new
party?"
Yes, think so," he replied. Baron Won
Frankcnstein says he did not see the con-
tents of one letter IN time to communicate it
to the centre. DR.. Windthorst and Won
Frankensten acted very curiously. They
knew the contents of the letters but kept
them in their pockets. Baron Won Frank
enstein sdenies having seen the Jacobini
note, but there was no note; it was letter.
lie must have known it was a letter and that
notes are only exchanged between diplo-
matists."
"Has not the vatican rather exaggerated
hopes with regard to the results it may expect
from writing those etters?"
I'VE shall see after the elections" said his
eXcellency, not quite grasping the drift of the
question.
IL mean as to the benefit likely to accrue to
ITSELF" said /.
"Oh, the vatican knows exactly what it has
to expect. Everything will be contained in
the ecclesiastical bill which will be laid be-
fore the Prussian herrenhOuse tomorrow.
"Then, apart from that" said l, at must
be inferred that the vatican only hopes for
moral, not for material, benetit?"
"Yes: 1t will be great thing for the vati-
can, bnt it has spoken in the interest of the
peace of Europe. There has been no COM
mercial transaction. no promising one thing
in exchange for another
"Is not this Intervention of the vatican in
German politics dangerous precedent?'
"rhe vatican has not interfered in poll
tics" replied the baron. ut has interfered
In the interests of peace and humanity"
II suppose it may be assumed" said l.
"that if the government is disappointed of u
proper majority, there will be another dsso-
luton, and after that another and another
till 1t gets majority"
"'rhe people are getting tired of that" re-
piled his excelency Each dissolution will
diminish Windthorst's supporters. The peo-
llo are getting tired of Windthorsts despot-
ISM"
'Thank you, your eXcellency."
PARTIsAN's OPINION.
"And what do you think of these .Jacobni
letters, Signor Crispi?' said |, pursuing the
inquiries, as Il chatted with the famous
pentarchist leader in his study on the Pincio
to-day.
They concern France and Germany more
than Italy," said Signor Crispi, "and must
say 1t is strange that Germany should have
encouraged the interference of foreign
powers in its home politics.
YES" said |, "but what of that passage
about the relations of the vatican to ltaly?"
WELL" replied Crisp, ~ cannot but sup
pose IL referred to the temporal power. But
before that could be realized, Italy must be
not only conquered but crushed"
PRUSSIA and Italy are not on such friendly
footing as people say" | remarked. "IIow
can there be any thought of restoring tenn
poral powerW
II see the apparent contradiction" said
Crispi, "but let me call your attention to the
important fact that Napoleon III once CON
ceived the Idea of getting Europe's guaran-
tee to the temporal power Prussia opposed
the plan. Can she nave altered her mind
since? In any case, Italy is strong enough to
defend herself both against the pope and the
European power. No; neither | nor my
political friends think of raising n question
us to these letters in parliament"
TALK WITH A MOB LEADER.
with feeling of considerable curiosity
next knocked at the door of an apartment
on the floor, in cold, gloomy house in the
Via del Greci, and asked for Signor francesca
Coccapiellcr, who, within the last few years,
has so unaccountably won the favor of the
Roman mob. When the door opened found
myself in shabby ante room adorned with
several caricatures of "Cecco," as they famil-
iarly term Coccapieller
Here, step this way, if you please" said a
youth who received me.
/ stepped from one untidy room into
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more portraits of CeccO, one framed between
two pencil sketches of King Humbert and
Queen Margauta. At last l reached a
small bedroom where the great man lay in
bed writing an incendiary article for alas,
the great man was i'll. He sighed in response
TO my sympathetic inquiries.
YES" said he in broken French, Il have
been i'll for some days"
Before had time TO stop him he tore his
garments open to show me where his trouble
WAS.
"Ah, dyspepsia" murmured.
"A swelling Inflammation" said Cocoa
pieller.
These Italians are very impulsiye, | thought
He looked odd, but decidedly picturesque
with his square, energetic, but commonplace
head, which was eneirced by white. linen
bandage. His long, sandy mustache and i'm
perial dropped despondngly. HIS manly
form was encased in gray flannel Jacket
His eyes rolled fearfully as he answered my
questions. Close TO his pillow stood a
double-barrelod gun aud on table be-
side him We're several bottles OF
medicine, while on the wall IN