The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1887-09-18
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ReportsS What in gspsrs! are ., the causes
Mr. swinton.IlIs detection from a the histori-
great modern social = movement. always aa;
| vancing In we'll worn channels the wide world
over, Il proceeds, and must proceed. along cor.
certain practical. Immediate, and necessary
ameliorations. and, on the other hand, with the
corporation. cooperation, MECHANISM, progress re-
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very long, through higher wages which used
to DO very low, and through the procnEem ne 7
to be denied. These, however. are but as step
ping stones to larger horizons, which tho phi
9sophess have never lost s1g 4, OIL VOW Sro ne thc
4 out Of The line. Of historical evolution: II Is
Of the whole tree for the sake Of tho graft.
bofosc Il has lsc Sven eSSshe on trunk
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tionary. revolutionary movement now sweep
ing with more or loss momentum over. our
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In New York from III its historcS
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labor unions and thrown out the true influence
| Of organized labor" .
| Reporter-How much cohesion do You dis
Mr. Swinton-Not yet too much. AT present
aasis s1d there Is YET only
crude beginning OF the coming coming cohesion nI n
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| you consider that nearly sixty trade unions
Of this city-remember that the trade union Is
you consider, that sixty trade unions have
I paPty y yon viii see basis Which Is at ieas
worth looking at. Sixty unions. Under the
Of tSan asn
the ranks OF the new Progressive Labor party
kep Rep ,r sGfisi it must be admitted that
labor politics iss for the moment in something
| Mr. Swinton-Un ately. the fruits OF all
| this are appearing within the past few months
n practical and melancholy ways, asectiing
three or foul. years affecting the advances
ana sinister soua The
Report these dissensio1s al and Oh
uted to the activities Of the different Socialist
| organizations?
Mr.. swinton-Take notice. Mr.. Reporter, that
ness Of the Socialists from the Size Of their or
ganized party. They, themselves do not boast
ance is to. be measured by their Influence in
many Of the trades unions and other labor or
Claimed that they had been the means Of poll.
Ing not less than forty THOUSAND Of the whole
vote q last When brought ut
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at al! by party . members n but BY our hold on
more than one.half Of the leading trade unions
city are b on eS
| at the bakers who march with Block, and at
the BARRIERS with Finkelstone, and at the cigar
makers with Gompers and Ct the iron work.
Morrison. and at the plano makers with Nc
tell, Of though l leave out the building trades
the I'M wseh the
and when you know the ways they worked, and
ef hefs sad The
them vo credit for a least Of The
trade s' union Leaders are now anti Georre.
ha S m sast asros term hems es
they she viii ss a I'm T shsss
away; next take away way the living Hal Hal
through the United working Of the Central
Labor Union, and the votes of independent
gusted with the change in the state OF things.
and y Is hard to tell where the hundred thou
sand George voters in this city which his man
assS fis s these botns clements the
same unity Of purpose that they had when in
Mr. Swnton-There are doubts OF that.
M rsSgts do you foresee them
MI Swinton-It were absurd to look for the
sudden, disappearance of such a tidal wave as
that Of last year In favor Of George should
should I wonder il the new Progressive Labor
withstanding all chickering's. splits. and fallings
the The sscns '0Se y0s Of wifi this ea SS
that Of last November. There has been
2 great stirring up Of interest among
er Safety 'n and ss and
welfare. and there in a growing antipathy to the
ME these interests. II the labor forces do not
AND VIZ g Sss1 bdr Psss bs9s
after-be sure Of that. do not ride on Georges
hobby. Or any other mans; but one cannot
OF his agitation, which Will soon be lost in that
Of the great Union party Of Labor. ,.
abe is not the labor vote unalter
N NJ. swiaton-oh, no. There are influences
beyond the control of labor that will again
DRs spo Or Is about the Labor vote in the
| State as distinguished from the city?
| Mr. Swnton-Outside OF the Socialist, the
Greenbaek. and the Union Labor party vote,
see nothing beyond the island Of Manhattan
9 TsTy Rs wbsa
Reporter-Is there any hone. in your mind
that George may rehabilitate himself2
| Mr.. Swinton-That would seem: In the ma
| ture OF things. to be impossible He has got a
cure-all; he carries with him the absolute nos
trum that cures not only the hiccups and the
moliygrubs but every disease mentioned In
Dunglison's Dictionary: and 1t alone cures
and nothing else can cure. He cannot surren-
der that without surrendering his own iden-
tity; he cannot surrender 1t any more than l,
as q Calvinist. can surrender the theology Of
| the Institutes.
.Reporter-Nothing but miracle can secure
| this change in his faith?
Mr. ,swinton.,.A miracle like that OF the Loop
| ard changing it's spots
Reportor-Do you know that Mr.. George
claims that in DIR. McGlynn he has created an
apostle. and may not this apostle work the de-
| sired mracle2
Mr.. swinton-Dr. McGlynn is the apostle who
| calls Henry George the prophet, and the apos-
tie gloriiios the prophet and the prophet glori;
| fles the apostle. and their grimaces or mutual
| worship under the contribution box, which re-