New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1887-08-28
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co,vrtcht. 1897 The NeaO- York Tribune.
1oxnoS. Aug 27.-1hc course and effect oil
A.. aobatc ON the proclamation of the National
800 bovo not been what the Liberals hoped
and expected. The debate has gone against
chem. The majority of 79 for the Government
FAR exceeds all calculations. Mr. Gladstone, sir
George Trevelyan and Sir William Harcourt have
.pol,en vet the Liberals have beeu overmatched.
Mr.. Bafour, Lord Harrington, Sir Richard Web
ster and Mr.. Goschcn more than held their own.
This state of things is so unusual that the Lb-
erals hardly know what TO make of 1t. There
is a marked tone Of discouragemcnt In their
comments on the whole business. No sign appears
that the country has been much excited by the
proclamation. The weakened Liberal-Unionists
stood by the Ministry with the exception of Mr.
Chamberlain and his brother Richard, the faithful
Mr. Jesse Ceilings and three others.
Mr.. Gladstone's speech in moving the Address
for withdrawal of the proclamation of the League
Is not considered one of his greatest efforts. The
effective part of it, the complaint that the House
is asked to act without information, was met
with startling fulness by Mr.. Baifour In MS
reply Much Of the remainder runs clearly
eounter to English feeling Defences of boy
cotting viii never be popular in this country, no
matter how cautiously phrased, and now as before
MANY of Mr. Gladstones best friends grieve at
seeing him once more broadening the line between
the classes, holding one thing lawful fcr the
poor and another for the rich. They regret not
less that he should confound law makers with
law breakers He brackets the Government with
the League, condemning the former for what he
thinks a strained construction of the statute as
much as the latter for open defiance OF the
statute. Irish liberty cannot in the long run
depend on disobedience to law.
Mr.. Balfours reply to Mr.. Gladstone maze
great impression ON the house and has made
great impression outside. The best testimony 70
its importance is 1.-The Daily News which op-
serves that it would be great mistake to pass
over the evidence which Mr.. Balfour laid before
the House as of no consequence. His speech was
not conclusive, but it set up presumptlve case
which ought to be rebutted by those Immediately
concerned Not a little curious, indeed, Is the
handling of this debate by this Glalstonian organ
Mr. Gladstone's speech is dismissed with casual
49, ,-l,oto oOhf 0f IL
toral broadside is turned on Mr.. Baifour. lhe
Chief Secretary's speech was for oratorical pur-
poses overloaded with facts, but as Mr. Gladstone
had Just complained that the House was called
on IN decide without facts there was merit IN
this fault The House thought it no light matter
20 be told that at this moment five thousand
Irishmen were officially known to be suffering
under the curse of boycotting. Facts were piled
upon facts TO show what the real action OF the
League has been and is. The speech as an
exhibition of debating power in rely to Mr.
Gladstone was very remarkable performance
The Oldest Parliamentary hands thought the
honors of the evening rested with the younger
Of the two antagonists.
No speech was looked for with such cur'cs'ty
as Sir George Treveyan's. 1t was worthy oi
the orator and of the occasion. But the point on
which Sir George Trevelyan most labored was the
difference between the state of Ireland when nc
and Lord Spencer governed that country ana its
present state. There was crime then. There Is
no crime now. But neither Sir George Trevelyan
nor any one else, respond the Tories, has dealt
tl,a Trol and lc
because crime has done it's work, that the as
tendency of the League has been established by
crime, and that boycotting which rests on ouusg ge
as its final sanction, is now the recognized means
of enforcing the authority Of the League. Sit
George Trevelyan had to enlarge on the fact that
he and Lord Spencer administered the former
Crimes Act while they oppose this His ex-
PLANTATION is complete so far as ne is concerned.
Then the Irish leaders were using unconstitutional
methods i'm pursuit Of unconstitutional objects.
"Now,r says that Chief Secretary who was 80
long the object of Irish hatred, now l believe
q great and permanent change has come over their
words actions and convictions
There have been many reports of Lord Hart
ington's disagreement with the Ministry in It's
present policy. These he has set finally at rest.
lie thinks forcible alternative policy might
have answered, but he speaks for and votes for
the Government, and declares expressly: Il
entirely sympathize and agree with the objects
ut which the Government is aiming" lie summed
up the case against the League in sentence:
II believe the objects Of the League to be TO
vry great extent spoliation and injustice, and its
methods mainly intimidation, defiance of law
and oppression of every one in Ireland who disa-
grees with them"
Mr.. Goschen closed the debate for the Govern
ment In speech which left nothing 10 desire from
their noipt of view He reused Mr. Dillon 70