Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1887-05-17
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Insy Try 70 Enlighten the Pacific
A04o Investigators Mr.. POnilir
wakes some UncOmplimentary Re-
marks About Gould.
NEW YORK, May 1.-THE continuation OF the In
.esugaton before the Pacific Railway Commission
Inns morning found the well-known broker, John
OF the Credit Mobilier in which the names Of Jim
Iahn, INC Gouia, cakes Ames, and Oliver Ames,
'y Hn t d. HAey, and Others Inquired prominently.
HS uVk occasion to v1ndicate cakes AmeS, say
ing that he was an honorable man ana was killed
~ ee INFAMOUS stories told concerning him.
ness said he was as good as dead-that he was
poor. de attempted to show
THE CONNECTION or Mr. BLAINE WITH TIE CREDIT
MOBILIRR
dent OF the Union PACING, Scott told the witness
Inat ne na0 S2 bonds which belonged to Mr.. Blaine
which the Union Pacific would have to pay. The
SeOck was shown to witness
IN, "; sron0lr was dismissed with q request to fur
MN nLs DOCKS Tor the use OF the Commission and
aeas Tue enalr 10 md the king OF f1nanciers,
JAY GOULD, WHOM he HAD BEEN ABUsryo souspfy
sitting directly behind him. He greeted him ia.
mil and said he had LETT little for Mr. Gould
10 explain to the Commission. Mr.. Gould ac-
nothing the back "a x, sns but
lot OF figures he had in his hand.
JAY GOULD ON THE STAND.
- jay Gould was the next witness. He has resided
five years he has been connected with railroads
ms s nfst connection with the Union Pacific was in
tsG ~, In the spring Of that year he met Horace
property that he sent an order to New York to buy
az 3S ana scale down. MI. Clark was sick and
about to die, and his stock was sold, my orders
catching it The stock began to 60 down,
AND WAS ANXIOUS.
l asked Mr.. Alley what was the matter with
Union Pacific; It went down to 10. He SAID that
$40 0O0, 600 in funds due. found that sidney
DIXON ana oliver Ames could be relied on among
Sns c d and we went to work to FUND this
az mat ume became member OF the board In
1874, and was member of the executive commit
Dexter Continued to hold once ans as d directors SooD
As ,, we improved the property the stock
Tp while wsns over the
think David '1 Dudley Fed was sas one q
Mr. Fisk's lawyers. He has acted for me.
DENY EAPHATICALLY
That had any connection with the Union Pacific
before 1873 never took any interest In the KAN
sas Pacific until 1873 and recall nothing OF the
early as 1879. There might have been something
in the press about It, but am not responsible for
II remember nothing Of consultation with Col
Inomas A. Scott at the Continental Hotelin Phila-
delpma concerning proposed consolidation OF
VIC ioo0o Al 40 uOf w remember OI any aCt0U
looking TO unity OF interest between the Kansas
Pacific and Colorado Central at that time. The
Colorado Central was a purely mineral road at
n lnat time. IL had connection with the Union
Mr.. Gould produced Union Pacific timetable
with map to explain the connection OF the roads.
STIMULATING Mr.. 0OuLDS MEMORY.
''Don't you know, Mr.. Gould, that there was an
agreement In 1873 for union OF the Kansas
Pacific and Colorado Central whereby the stock OF
the Kansas Pacific was to be increased SO, Co.,
OOO?"
Nov that you recall it. there was, but it was
@ 1o fhs ty9g 70 loree
OF the attempts. think must have seen Colonel
Scott In this connection for the st. Louis people
had great deal OF confidence in him.
HAVE AN INDISTINCT RECOLLECTION
Of an agreement in 1875. whereby the Colorado
traf1c was surrendered TO the Kansas Pacific, the
Union Pacific taking all west OF Cheyenne in
creased my interestin Union Pacific from 1873 to
1873 owned about zoo, 600 shares in 1878. The
entire issue was 900 shares 1 keep books OF
my transactions. My bookkeeper, l think, was
Mr.. Mor0sini. He began before 1873. Before that
relied On brokers. Ny books are at the service OF
the commission, with the greatest OF pleasure"
The pool agreement OF 1878 was shown the wit
ness.
ANOTHER THING MR.: GOULD HAD FORGOTTEN.
He said: recall that there was such pool,
signed for over $1,000 Of Securities S don't
income honda. They are entered at 30.
booSs VIII shoM pu nSl hess
securities from the St Louis people MY books
will show who bought them Of presume con-
ferred With the persons whose names are signed
with reference to the pooling agreement. pre-
sumo that
1 WOULD HAVE THE NEURALGIA WORSE THAN HAVE
IT NOW
ii should tell you OF all the questions that led
to this pooling agreement The only way saw
out OF the difficulty was to take the mass Of Sc
curties In one mans hands and issue consolidated
mortgage bonds as a preliminary step to placing
the property on its feet. Before that all was con-
FUSION 1t being impossible to tell what the securi-
ties represented. don't know what lawyer drew
the agreement or that ever read 1t before. I
knew what the general idea OF it was and signed it.
FINANCIAL AND COMMERCIAL.