St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1887-05-21
Ex-Gcv. 0rdway Speaks at Length Upon
Many Matters.oi Considerable Ter
riiorial Interest.
Ee Thinks Mr. Church Will Prove
Good Governor in Spite of the AT
tacks Upon Him.
a Statement of the Reasons Why Hon.
Bartlett Trip Would Make a Coed
Supreme Court Judge.
Certain Dakota Papers Trying to Mis-
represent the Presidential Position
on the Northwest.
spec;al to the Globe.

Special to the Globe.
WASHINGTON, May 20.-I called on
eN,Goy. 0rdway last evening and found
him greatly interested III Dakota and
her prosperity. Referring to the pres
ent executive, Gov. Church, he said: Il
believe he is pretty good man for the
position. The preSi6enthad known him
for many years and had tested his metal
onmany occasions. He appointed him
70 iudgeShip because lie knew him.
He appointed him to tire governorShip
because he believed him to be compe-
tent To fill the position and in harmony
with his (the presidents policy. no
tice. however, that he is being subjected
to criticism, but ito not recall gov
ernor who has not been criticised. 1t is
refreshing to note. however, that he has
not vet been aecHSed-of all the crimes
known to the laws. The territory is be-
coming more like Older and settled COM
mmitieS, and he may escape the bitter
assaults heretofore -laViShcl upon his
predecessors. p > I'D,
How do YOU think the people will
vote on the subject of diviSi0n?'
Il have no means of knowing, as all
of the counties in the territory have
never yet had an opportunity to vote di
rectIy upon that question. The p0pula-
ton has greatly increased during the
past few years, and many of the new
comerS have ideas of their own. which
they will probably express when the
whole subject comes up for calm discus
sion. The Democrats made quite large
gains at the last November election. but
as the leading Democrats i'll congress
. have declared themselves opposed to di-
vision. the Democrats i'll the territory
. will be likely to follow the policy of
= their party 10 Il considerable extent"
do you expect to return to Dakota to
live permanently%'
Il am still a citizen of Dakota, but am
at present interested in business at
Washington and the East. l am COM
pleting the large market structure here
which will stand for hundred years
when Washington will probably be the
finest city in the world. l have always
been largely interested in building
operations. When | went to Dakota
there was not brick or piece of stone
laid in public building. Yankton, the
seat OF government, had nothing to
show in the way of public building.
When retired from the goyernorShip
there were nine substantial public
buildings, including capitol, all paid
for out of current revenues, except
abont 100000. 500. COO of which was i'll
the territorial treasury. The plans of
all these public buildings were made on
Il large scale, with the expectation that
they could be enlarged without alter
ing or changing the plans.
The mechanical refrigerating struc-
ture which | am Row engaged upon, i'll
connection with the Washington mar
ket is the largest and most complete in
the country. and will he we'll worth
visit and an examination by cores
pOndentS and others desiring to inyeSti-
gate the process of producing dry, cold
air without a particle of ice. AS soon as
this plant is completed and put in oper-
alton intend to visit New Hampshire
to look after business interests there,
and shall try to return to Dakota again,
as part of my family, household furni-
ture,. and almost everything are still in
Bismarck"
do you think statehood is possible
soon?"
You should ask congress that ques-
ton, as it alone can give favorable
answer. lam of the opinion, however,
that Dakota can be admitted as whole
during the next congress, with the
Texas provision allowing it to be div
ided hereafter; but am not certain of
immediate division, unless the Republi-
cans should get possession of the coun-
try and make it. a party question. For
myself, | am quite willing to abide with
the deliberate decision of the people of
the territory, and offered to approve Il
bill when governor for constitutional
convention. or a submission of the queS-
ton to the people of the whole terri
tory.
Il have been informed that you ma
terially helped the Dawes bill near the
close of the last session.
Il did what could for it, and when-
ever l can see my way clear am always
ready to give Dakota a lift | did not
see any way to get over the objections
of some of the members of the Indian
committee eef the house-of representa-
tiyeS until near the close of the session.
l knew 1t was useless to go around Dor
ing members and trying to pledge them
upon such matters The policy pursued
III congress is generally determined by
the party. leaders Oh each side, and when
they come to see matter in favorable
light they bring it up, and usually pass
1t promptly. If the managers are OPP
posed to measure all the pledges of i'll
dlvldual members amount to but very
little. 1t was only short time before
the adjournment that discovered the
real difficulties which hay i'll the way of
the passage of the bin for opening the
Sioux reservation, and hut for Mr. Hol-
man., after certain matters were ar
ranged, the bill would have gone through
the house unanimously. notice that
some of neutrality-suspicious. have been
scOlding Mr.. Holman for his opposition
That course is not polite. He is very
peculiar man, but he is stabhornly hon
est as: he sees things, and think that
the friends of the reservation bill might
well adopt the old maxim that More
flies are caught with moiasses than with
vinegar ME-. Wellborn was not the
mercenary man some have tried to pic
ture him. He was bitterly opposed to
granting what the railroads demanded
in the Dawes bill. but gracefully yielded
his opposition to the measure " hen GER
tain amendments were agreed upon. !
think Mr.. Holman was prpjudiced Oh ac-
count of matters which occurred be-
tween himself and Agent McGill cuddy
when he visited the reservation with his
committee, but think that Representa-
tiyes Springer, Randall and others OF
his warm friends will bring him around
so that he will not make any further
abject ons when the matter again comes
up i'll congress-" go. as