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Felnnte prize.Figlters.

LONDON, June el.-Ths news comes
from Abbey, ID sussex, Of the most horri.
BILE exhibition which has ever taken place
in England, prize.dght between women
on Sunday. Apart from the btutalizing
character Of the spectacle itself is The adj.
ditional horror Of itH ending, for oue Of thp
contestants died in the ring from her in.
juries. AZ f,5 557' ~ =
The female puglliuts were Mrs. Christ.
mas and Ellen Noonsn.4 The meeting was
witnessed by g large crowd Of spectators I
both men and women Great yjqor anG
determination characterized the bsttle
and, though severely punished, Il Eller
Noonan fought until she fell from eheoi
were found useless, and ahe soon esnirsd
Mrs. Christmas is In prison, but peonli
are asking where were the police at ii,
time Of the fight, ill3E u, 4 ~, ,5''il ~ -
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LONDON, Juns 2l.-The relssas Of Peter
Troy, the supposed dynamiter, whore ar.
rival at Queenstown the other day with a
box Of 6recrackers created such cons!er.
nation in London, has caused great deal
Of amusement among the American 'yisi.
tora as well as tho Irish inhabitsnts Of the
metropolis. The one nection is laughing
at the discovery Of how little is required
to start dynamite ucsre In England, and
the other because anything that frightens
the British court, ministry snd police
contains IN element of merriment pos-
sessed by nothing else that could possibly
happen. Troy was made to promise that
he would show himself in court whenever
he might be summoned, but as everybody
connected With his arreat, detention and
hearing feels heartily ashamed Of his part
and delighted to have gotten rid Of ths
man so cheaply, It Is eafe to aay that Mr.
Troy will never be invited to appear in
connection with the case and he can re-
!oice in the knowledge that hia iubiles
present 10 the Queen-a thorough scare
made o greater impression upon her feel.
lngs than anything she has received, not
excepting the touching ode OF the Euel!ah
residents OF Boston, fy. r. rtE7rf q &, : -
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EXPELLED CARPET wEAvEns,

Master Workman OF the Assembly Denies
,4lt17 Powderly's Statements.
PHILADELPHIA, June 2l.--The delegates
from the expelled Carpet Workers' Az
semblies in this city to the Convention Of
D. A. l26, in New York, have returned
home. -,
q The Convention, after dispensing with
some minor proceedings, adopted reso.
luton setting forth that the General Exc.
cntiye Board had no authority to revoke
their charter, inasmuch as that authority
rests only with the Gsnorsl Assembly. i
A committee, with John Morrison "a
chairman, drew up an appeal from tho
decision OF the General Executive Board
to the next General Assembly. The sp-
peal reci!es the details Of the controysr.
sy. The expelled District Assembly will
continue to conduct it's business ss ususl
and the General Assembly will decide
upon the case. l5SE ,s{l
4. John Morrison, Master Workman OF the
Expelled Carpet Weavers' National Ae.
sembly 12G, who il in the city, SAWS the
convention Of the assembly in New York
on Sunday decided to let the matter rest
until the General Assembly shall meet in
Minneapolis in October. b He reiterated
that the General Board he'd no right to ex.
pei an assembly that 126 had violated no
law and attributed the action OF the board
to personal spite, Notwithstanding Mr..
Powderly's declaration to the contrary,
Ho charged the members OF the General
Executive Board with neglectipg tho cause
oilebor and expending their time to &c.
cure reelection, and that owing to the
Boards blundsrs labor's position is worae
than before the order was organized. \ He
repudiated Mr. Powderly' 3 inBinuation that
he Ia an anarchist. q $z:s.fijRl 81
Mr.. Morriaon and Joseph McGinn visit.
ed the mill Of Bromley 4; Sons where 6
strike was threatened by the windera
The firm agreed 10 give an increase in
wages averaging about l23 per cent.
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NEWS IN BRIEF.

" Es. Representative hammond, Of .Geo-..
gia, ia recommended foe the Supreme
Court vacancy. y y; n u Ain
Tho poetoflice at Greenyille, o., was
bur,glsrized OF $50 in stamps and $40 in
There is general belief that the tobsc.
co tax will be abolished early in the
coming session Of Congress-. y,
Charles Colee has confessed 10 sett;po
tro to bethel Baptist Church, near Shsl..
byVille, lad, and received i've years in
the penitentiary. ~ -.
Charles Miller, while adjusting an elcc-
trio light wire in the works of tho Chicago
Arc Light and Power Company, was killed
by q shock. s. hs{g \ T. 4
The Treasurer OF the Natioas, Dill
COMMITTEES has called upon tbs subscrIb.
ers Tor forty per cent assessment to m.c.
the $50, 600 Shottaae. b. lS'
A. Hnltgren bucklsd suspsaderarourd
hih throat in hin residence in Chicago. at.
tached the other end 10 a door kuob' rat
down and died. So 80 sAAoo' s''
. ~ ~ Minhold Scott, prominent society man
OF Richmond, Vs., and a nephew Of the
late commander Of the AMERICAN arn,y.
vas seriously cut III tho throat by Edwari
Levy in q house OF ill.lepute. 1'1.o
John BsileI, Of youngstown, O., Wills
looking through the eGscts Of bis deceauoI
wiie, lound pockctbook containing $3.50
IN gold and currency, which eho had pns
away aa savings from their small income.
Tho Pacific submarine cable is now an
aesured fact. It will extend from Van.
couver, tho Pacific terminus Of the Cana.
dian Pacific Railway, touching Hawaii
and Fii, TO 7Austta!ia. a subsidy Of
9400, COO psr snnum has been obtained
IRON the Canadian, Hawaiian and Aus.
traliGn governments. IS
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A SALOON. KEEPER who is brought before
the public lori sellirgon sunday, admits the
charge and defends himself by saying that
he does iupt what other men in his bust.
ness do. Further he says that he would
bs glad to close, but he cannot afford to
let his trade seek other places on one day
in the week. This isa strong indictment
OF the officers Of the law, and 1t gives the
people Of Wheeling something to think
about. n
Perhaps ii the saloon-keepers would
unite in respectful request to the author
tiles to close them all up on Sunday, theil
request would be granted. That would
be . peculiar way to get at it, to be sure
but it ia the only thing that seems to be
practical in the present state of public
opinion in this city. II the people were
in esrneat, the doors, front, back and side
would bo closed and remain closed or
Sunday. s a. n,
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ITALY'S POSITION
In regard to tho Troaty between Aby,,,n,,

- s.
In Regard to tho Treaty between Abyssinln
..,,.a and France. .G,5E7ss. -g.-'l
LONDON, Juue 2l.-rhe recently report-
ed treaty betwesn the Government Of
France and King John OF Abyssinia still
remains the basis Of leading articles in all
Of the Italian newspapers condemnstory
OF French attempts to embroil King John
with the Italian occupants on the Rad Sea
littoral. 5... Il .4l.s5 isg;..... d
A fair example Of the tone of the article
may be found In the utterspces of the
Florence Na.tons, which says the Italian
Government will sustain the Red Sea fac
tories and protect the interests of those
connected with them; and any attacl,
made against them will be considered AZ
having been precipitated by France in
furtherance Of that policy which for a pen-
Grafton has endeavored in every possible
way to counteract Italian influence and
Illustrate the civilizlng efforts OF Italian
colonlsts in Tunis and elsewhere OH the
shores OF the Mediterranean. 5 80
The entire press calls on the Govern
ment to stand firm and resist, by forcs OF
arms II necessary, the Interference OF
France not only in Italian affairs in
Abyesinia and Nubia, but in other parts
OF the globe whore Italy may have legiti.
mately a foothold. .@ & 60 20"
Several journals review the difficulty be.
tween France and England With reference
to the New Hebrides very much to the
diecredit of England, and urge the Govern.
ment to prove to France at tho OUTSET that
Italy will submit to no ouch treatment es
England has seen ft to brook, aud that
she will be satisfied with no settlement of
any dispute that may arise with ;Frarce
concerning 1taly's rights in the Upper
Nnbls short Of the formers absolute With
draWal OF her pretensions and subseouent
non.interference. A Il 3 = a.
The comic papers make merry over the
fervent piety displayed in the proposed
subvsntion Of 100000 francs 10 educate
priests for Abyssinia in the Ethiopian Col.
lege In Jerusalem and remind the French
Government Of the crying need Of clerical
miniatratious in France, where, to chow
their independence ( Of the Pope, they
have aecularizsd every hospital and school
in the Republic, thereby reducing the
efficiency and influence OF hoth. 1gE1
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Guitenu's uenl.

WASHINGTON, June 2l.-A sensational
Dispatch from New York was printed in
one Of the Baltimore papers to-day 10 ths
effect that an enterprising New York
Snowman had obtained possession OF the
head OF Guiteau, the assassin, and pro.
posed to exhibit It. The idea seemed pre-
posterous, iorit was known that the assas-
sins body was taken from the jsil after
the execution to the Army Medical Mu.
eeum, where the tieshy parts were remov-
ed to prepare the skeleton part for mount
ing. The bones are now locked in box
in the basement of the building, and the
public is not allowed to SEQ them. When
the attention Of the museum authorities
was called to the matter to-day they as
serted that when the soft parts of the body
were removed they could not say whether
or not the same were destroyed by burn.
ing as 10 usual in such csses. They saw
that it is very possible that instead Of
destroying the muscles and flesh OF tho
head and neck after 1t was taken from the
bones it might have been preserved and
set up. and that is probably what ia
referred to above. But the skeleton Of
Guitesu complete, head and all, is now in
the mueeum, IT, E ~ 4 NJ 49, =, -
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THE SAFETY OF TRAVELLERS,
Provisions of tho Railroad Ilill that is Nov
l, Law in New York. y.

Provisions of tho railroad Ilill that Is Now
IL Law in New York. .55l.S y l.
ALBANY, N Y, June2l.-Gove,nor Hill
has finally signed the bill for the heating
Of slesm railway cara. As 1t became q law
il provides that it shall not be lawful for
any steam railroad doing business in this
State after the lat day OF May, 1888. to
hest its passenger cars on other than
mixed trains by any stove or furnace kept
inside of the car, or suspended therefrom,
except it may be lawful, In case Of acci-
dent or other emergency, to temporarily
use such stove or furnace, with necessary
fuel, provided that in cars which have
been equipped with apparatus to heat by
steam, hot water, or hot air from the loco
motive or from q special car, the present
stove ma ybe retained to be used only
when tho car is standing still, and pro-
yidsd also that the net shall not apply
to railroads less than fifty miles in
length, nor to the use Of stoves OF a
oatsern and kind to be approved by the
Railroad Commissionerg for cooking pur-
poses in dining room cars. Safety pos.s
ior bridge trussas are also provided for.
The penalty is $1,000 and 500 day dur
ing continuance OF the violation. y After
November l, 1887, guard posts shall be
placed In the prolongation Of the line Of
bridge trusses 80 TINT In Gaze Of dersil-
ment tho poets and not the trusses shall
receive tho blow Of the derailed locomo-
live or car. Any; peraon or corporation
violsthlg any OF the provisions Of the act
shall be liable to a penalty Of 1000 and
10 the further penalty OF 500 for each day
durin1 which ouch q violation shall con.
tlnue. Upon the application OF any rail-
road covered by the proviaions OF the act
tho Board Of Railroad Commissioners may
approve OF any proposed fsteguard or de:
vice 10 ba used under the PROVISIONS Of
the act, and thereafter the railroad using
such safeguard or device 80 approved shall
not be lisblo to any Of the penalties pre-
scribed for violation in regard to any
such eafeguard or device, itt5 q NJ Z
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LAKE DISASTER,
steam barge Overturned iu n Sluull-Eight
,alHDaahi4 Persons Drowned. +N r.,

Steam large Overturned iu n squull-Eight
l Persons Drowned. ",
CLEVELAND, O., June 21.-Ths steam
barge P. H. Walters, owned by John
Homegardner, Of sandusky, Was sunk in q
storm of Black River, about o'clock last
evening, and eight lives were lost.
Tho vessel left Marbiehead yesterday
afternoon at 8 o'clock, and when OF Black
River the captains vito, who was on
board, begged the master to put in at
Lorain, as the threatening weather alarm.
ed her.
The vessel was headed toward the har.
Dor, but had scarcely turned about when
Bhe WAS struck by terrible squall. The
wind bore the barge round and round,
the hold filed with water and in hall
minute she sank. i 3z 4
Tho captain, tho mate and two Of the
captains SONS saved themselves by cling.
ing to floating tenders. This morning,
about 8 o'clock, the cries .oi the ship.
wrecked quartette attracted the attention
OF the lookout on the steamer Pearl, bound
to Cleveland from Detroit. A life.boat
was lowered and the ahipTrecked mari
ners were brought to Cleveland.
The names Of the lost are: Mrs. l.. G.
Gillespie, wife Of the master; Alphos and
Jennie Gillespie, the masters children !;
Peter Grimes, engineer, OF Cleveland !;
John Peterson, fireman; Gust shaGer,
wheelmeu, of sandusky, O.. Peter Rowley,
deck hand, OF Light House Station, 0. !;
Kate Rowley, stewsrdess, wife Of Peter
Rowley. "
These saved are: Capt. I. G. Gillespie,
Of Port Clinton, O.; Mate James Flora, of
Port Clinton; George aud Ikey Gillespie,
SONS OF the Captain. ~ G.ll
The survivors were brought to this city.
Captain Gillespie said to a reporter; II
can't say what caused tho boat to capsize
unless it was cyclone. we had no idea
that it WAS going to be blow Of this kind.
We saved nothing, not even our clothing
from the week. My wife and children
were aboard ior a pleasure trip. The boat
went down and nothing can be neen Of
her, not even the masts."
The ill-fated barge wss built at San
dusky in 1872, and rebuilt in 1880. Her
tonnage was l02 tons, and she was graded
at 90. eff - 80 - 4: ssfs0s5
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Denver VIII poro for Gaa.

DENVER, CoL., June 2l..-Meassa. j. J..
Thomas q Co., Of this city, have bcen
prospecting some land they own, eighteen
miles north Of Denver; for coal. AT a
depth OF 200 feet they encountered some
Of the black diamonds with q drill md
since that time have aunk tiity-six feet
deeper. They were surprised the other
day on touchinga match to the water which
flows up the basin to see it ignite. "a Tho
Chamber Of Commerce, which has been
taking and making experimental boring
Tor gas, has concluded to mid the gentle.
men in continuing sinking their we'll, and
II gas in sufficient quantities is found Il
will be piped into tho city and utilized. f
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FRIGHTFUL COLLISION
ArlrAvnE DE GRACE. a1AnYLANp.
On tho Philadelphia, Wilmington 3 Bniii.
more Road--A Number OF Cars Smashed \
Into Into spiinters, Ono Man Instantly
Killed and Many Others InJured.

| q
HAyRE DE- GRACE, Mp, Juno 2l.-This
village was the scene Of terrible disaster
about Q o'clock this afternoon, and tho
Philadelphia, Washington 4 Baltimore
depot and the track for several hundred
yards presents horrible picture. Tie
express train due here at $3.50 p. M.hrd
left the station apd run but few yarda
when 1t was met by tho north bound
CONVERSATIONAL exprass IRON Washiagtoa,
running at high rate OF speed,
and fslIhtful wreck ensued. The
fast express struck the baggage
car OF the South bound train just as i.
creased the switch below the dvpot and
crashed into the parlor car bohind, over.
tnrnlng and completely dsmolishing two
OF them. No. ono on the North bound
train was hurt, but the South bound train
OF ok cara was very full Of passeugers and
nearly all OF them were more or lcas Ia.
jared, and Alexander Gantrom, OF Waah.
ington, D.. O., was instantly killed. ,.I7
Among the wounded were r, A, Bland.
Washington, head scalded a. Brlce, New
YORK, head and arm cut; s. |, Baker Bal.
timore, left log broken; Rev. ], ii, Pink.
hSnl, Minneapolis, Mimi, ahoulaer bIado
broken and arm fractured; {; J. NJ, Whor.
ton, Baltimore, skull fractured !; J. 81.
Mccormick, Brooklyn, N. ", badly
scalded A. L. Wood, Camden, N, j.. pe.
riously hurt about the head Rev, Hobart
Smith, Baltimore, leg and hand badly cut.
There were many others whose names
could not be sscertained who left as coon
as possible. The engineer OF the North
bound train stuck to his post, but tho fire.
man jumped of before the col.
lision and was alightly injured in.
terneliy. Many Of the peopIe In
tho overturned cars were gotten
out with difficulty. Physicians were at
once summoned and rendered all possible
assistance. The more seriously wounded
were taken to hoteIe, and the remainder
OF the passengers Of both trains were
taken to Baltimore. a i sn1Gf5 ";.s'5
The accident was due to the fact that
the Congressional express was behiu.!
time, and passed the signal tower at a
high rate Of speed. The signals were oil
right, but Engineer Sargent SAYS his air
brakes refused to work. He reversed the
engine but too late to prevent the col.
liBion, 55l-1g. - &. ..IS-E' = IN !
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"A DAY OF REUNIONS

At Washington.JOf1erson College-old Col.
lego Mates Meet, taGi
Special Dispatch 10 he Intelli0aIcer. nj fl
WASHINGTON, Pa, June 2l.-This has
been great day for "reminiscences. The
almuni OF Washington aud Jefferson from
far and near have apparently returned to
their alma mater. Tho old men, who
have not met since their class prophet
foretold most brilliant future, grasped
each other's hands and returned 10 the
days Of their youth. Tho young man
who has Just been out q few years has TO-.
turned to whispnr In his chum'a ear OF
the soft seat In tho lap Of luxury that he
has secured, 10 tell Of his prospects in law,
medicine or the ministry, or to once mora
bask In the smiles Of the college window,
The literary society reunions this morn
ing attracted much attention. In the
Franklin aud Washington the Rev. DR.,
Gillespie, Of tho Board Of Foreign Missions
was made chairman and J. I. Mel Farland,
OF Washington, secretary. Bright, chatty,
short speeches were delivered by Rsy.
George Birch, Of New York City, Prof, W,
Q. gMcClelland, Rev. Thomas sherard,
Prof. Fl. 7. McClelland, Rev. r. T. Smith,
Or. Loyal Young, Rev. ]. H. Snowden,
Rev. ], K. McKallip, and others.
3! -Four class reuniona were hold this after.
noon. OF tho class Of '37 OF Washington,
three Of the seven living members we're
preeent-Rsv. DR.. Bonar, Albion, Ind
Rev: John NJ. Faris, Anna, ILL.,; Rev. C,J,
Mckaig, Pittsburgh. rs, y5.g,55s b
The Jefferson class OF '37 had thirty.
nino men at this commencement, and OF
these seventeen are living. Hon. James
Campbell, Rev. George Hill, D. D., Blairs.
vile, Pa; Rev. DR.. McUurdy, Washing.
ton, ID. c.; William NJ. Stewart, ESQ.
Philadelphia, Pa; Prof. David Wilson,
ph. D., Port Royal, Pa, heard their his.
tory to-day. 1afa s} 'y75. ,,,,.lafgIii7i'-'
. OF the clasa Of 'Gs Of waahirstou, only
i've returned-John Baseell, Of Clarks.
burg, W: Va; Rev. Dr.. John Gillespie,
Of New York; Rev. W. s. Mcknight. oi
Carthage, Mo-. Rev. J. @. McClntock, D.
D., OF Burlington, and DR.. Samuel Jepsou,
Of Wheeling. g E,7s2T 80
The class of GG will have reunion 10.
morrow at 3 r. NJ lI7 5sss9s i5,,,,i
The Trustees Of the College met this Of.
ternoon. The resignation Of Prof. Eaton,
OF the Preparatory Department, was ac.
cepted and Prof. Adolph Schmitz was ap.
pointed to fill the vacancy. r. - e 81
Hon. William M. Ramsey, Of Cincin-
natl, former law partner OF Stanley Mat.
thews, delivered the address 10 the
Alumni tonight, after which business
meeting OF the Alumni wsa held. Judge
Ramsey will leave for home tomorrow in
private car over the Baltimore 4 Ohio.
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4 Suit Against the Fidelity.

CINCINNATI, o., June 2l.4The Union
National Bank, of Cleveland, this after.
noon brought suit in attachment against
the Fidelity National Bank to recover
s67, 1874, asserting that the z defend
ant corporation frauduiently and
criminally incurred the obligation
ior which euit has been brought. Attor-
ney J. +. Follett, when asked
what WAS the basis OF his charge
Of fraud, replied that the q Fidelity
bank before incufring the liability notI.
fed his client that $50. 900 had been for.
warded to be placed TO Its credit, when in
TACT no money was forwarded. :II5i4
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ALL the people say amen to the Prest-
dents gentle greeting to Her Majesty Of
England. There is no American who does
wish Victoria length OF yesrs and q peace
iul ending OF reign adorned by personal
virtues not always found in royalty. Eng.
lands Queen has set an example to every
wife and mother. l
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WHY IT WAS CLOSED.
Comptroller Trenholm Gives his Reason
for Taking Charge of the Banl. =

Comptroller Trenholm Gives his Reasons
for Taking Charge Of the Bank. ~
WAsnISGroN, June 2l.-Tho Comptrol.
ler OF the Currency to-day received te!e-
gram from Mr.. Powell, the regular Bank
Examiner Of the Western district of Ohio,
saying that he had taken charge of the
Fidelity National Bank OF Cincinnati, O..
as an insolvent institution. q No particu.
lars are given. I'D. q. ..'',2jt jt .J44i,5.
Comptroller Trenholm says that it is not
likely that tho .e1act condition OF the bank
can be ascertained inside Of two weeks
He said: "A Il a. Il t5o9 % 3. ,5i i"11557 !.
"Rumors about this bank in connection
with the COLLAPSE OF the wheat corner in
Chicago, have been widely published, and
for week. past the Bank Examiner has
been either IN Cincinnati or within eaey
reach OF it, under instructions to watch
tho situation closely without doing any,
thing to attract attention or to diecredit
tho bank, but to be ready to step in upon
any appearances jussifying Intervention,
ION the 10th inst. wrote letter to the
Fidelity Bank, which was posted in time
for the 3:l5 train Of that day, in which
letter I asked for a candid statement IS to
the banks condition and complications,
l also offered, II 80 requested by telegraph,
to send to the assistance Of the Directors
an experienced and able examiner from
one of the Eastern cities. The request
was not mado, and the answer by letter
dated the 18th inst. indicated confident
opinion on the part Of the managers Of
the bank that they would be able to 20
| through all right. q That Ia all I know
about the situation at present. 1875 l,ji1
1t was subsequently ascertained that
the liabilities OF the bank, exclusive OF
capital stock, are about S. 500 900. g The
individual deposits arc about s., 500, 900. 4
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A Strike Probable.

PlrrsnvRan, June 2l..-At the session ol
the Amalgsmated Association this after.
noon the manufacturers scale was pre-
sonted by the committee and disposed Of
in short order. Few OF the delegates e1.
pressed themselves in favor Of the scale
and when the matter was put to vote |.
was rejected without one dissenting voice,
A general strike now seems probable, as
both sides have taken firm stand, ID