St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1887-05-04
HE USES BIG WORDS.
Maj. Sauuderson Still Anxious for Some
Parnellite to Tread on His
Ooat-TaiI.
He Would Particularly Like to Have
Mr.. Sexton Give the Desired
Provocation.
Discussion of the London TImes'
Charges in the House OF
Commons.
The Conservatives Plainly Dodge
the tssue--G eneral For
eign News.

LONDON, May 3.-Charles Edward
Lewis, Conservative member for North
Antrim, in the house of commons this
evening called the houses attention to the
breach of privilege committed by the London
Times in an article charging John Dillon
with having told falsehood when he de-
MED the allegation that he was an accom-
plice of Sheridan, the invinclble. In this
article the Times declares:
Mr.. Dillon in his DENIAL had either present.
ed to parliament Il tissue of fictionS he had
never taken the trouble to examine, or had
reached a yet lower depth of dishonesty.
Sheridan was simultaneously the organizer of
murderous associations and the close COM
panion Of the leaders of the constitutional
agitation. Mr.. Dillon the Times article
continues, 'however convenient his memory,
can hardly have succeeded i'll entirely for
getting their present relations. Mr.. Dillon
has been called the Chevalier Bayard of the
Irish National league. He has been supposed
to stand apart in public esteem from the rank
and file OF his party. Wh"t confidence can
now be reposed in his disclaimers, which
show the best of the Parneilite party to be
destitute of that quality which Englishmen
rightly prize above all others as all indispens-
able foundation of chaructcr?"
Mr.. Lewis concluded as follows:
These wholesale charges Of lying against
privilege. l move that the house take notice
of them,
Philip Albert Muntz. another COnserva-
tive and member for TamWorth, division
of Warwickshire. seconded Mir Lewis mo-
tion Speaker Peel. answering Mr.. Dillon,
said. if the house decided that the article
quoted by Mr.. Lewis was
BREACH OF PRIVILEGE.
motion could be made calling the Offend
erS to the bar of the house TO answer for
their conduct in committing the breach.
Hon. w. II. Smith, on behalf of the gov
ernment, moved that the house adjourn in
order that questions of fact might be
argued. Mr.. Dillon said he desired 10 have
the question brought to an issue right off.
He denied the right of Mr.. Lewis to
take course putting him on the defensive
until his accuSer was brought to the bar of
the house. The publisher of the Times
Mr.. Dillon declared he (Mr. Dillon) would
prove as base and cowardly a liar as ever
existed. Parnellite cheers. Mr. Sexton
said the Irish party had been challenged
much lately and been taunted with not TAX
ing up the challenge. Now they took it
up, and insisted upon an inquiry by the
house. TCheers. 1t was for an assembly
of English gentlemen to say whether for
the future its Irish members should be ex-
posed to the attack OF every rufIiian calling
himself the editor OF newspaper. The
house should let the aSsailed members have
an inquiry by committee. ''Then," said
Mr.. Sexton. ''let the Times bring forth its
battalions of forgers and liars. The Irish
members will prove that they have been
subjected to system of moral aSsasSina-
tion. They will be able fully to justify
themselves" Cheers. Mr.. Bradlaugh
To-
and charged the government with
Lewis notion, and that the
debate was concerted plan to place in the
hands of the Conservatives weapons to as
sist them in the passage of the odious coer-
cion bill. Sir William Vernon Harcourt
said that though ostensibly Mr.. Lewis mo-
tion was against the Times, it was in real
ity raised for the purpose of attacking MIR.
Dillon as a covert method of accusation by
one section of the members of the house
against another. Yet, when the Irish MEN,
berS asked for
AN INSTANT OPPORTUNITY
of meeting the charges, it was sought by the
government to adjourn the house. Mr..
Holmes, attorney general for Ireland, de-
MED the motion was made with the con-
heard of the motion until it was made on
behalf of the government. He disclaimed
any intention of postponing the debate for
party purposes. If the publisher of the
Times was at once called to the bar of the
house. the house would be unable to
hear evidence in support of the charges and
it would be required to decide the question
off-hand. In the absence Of the publisher
or other responsible persons, motion to
adjourn for inquiry was the best way to
get at the truth. Mr.. Gladstone opposed
the motion to adjourn. He said Mr.. Dill
Ion had been charged with having stated
deliberate falsehood while addressing the
house. Ii anything was breach OF priv
ilege this was. The parties accused de-
manded immediate trial. 1t was impoSSi-
BILE that the house could resist. 1t had al
ways been the custcm for the house itself
to proceed to deal without delay, with
motion relative to a breach of privilege, aft
erwards, in special cases. appointing Sc
lect committee of inquiry. A division was
then taken on the motion to adjourn, re-
sulting in vote of 2l3 in favor of the mo-
tion and 174 against it. MIR. Smith moved
that on Thursday the house resume consd-
Grafton of the question. Mr.. Sexton moved
that it be taken up tomorrow. Mr.. Dillon
demanded to know whether the editor Of
the Times would be brought to the bar of
the house. Mr.. Smith could only say that
the usual course would be followed. 1t
was then agreed to take the question up
again tomorrow.
THE CLOSE OF THE DEBATE
left all sides in doubt as to to-morrow's de-
velopments. Lewis brought forward the
question against the advice of the Con-
servative whips, who warned him it might
lead to great delay in the progress of the
crimes bill. The miniSterialiStS would like
to have a committee of inquiry appointed,
but, foreseeing that Il debate over the
formation of such q committee would
block the crimes bill, they are ready TO let
the whole question drop if the opposition
permit The ministers had a conference
tonight with Attorney General Webster
and Solicitor General Clarke on the question
whether the government could declare to-
morrow that there had been no breach OF
privilege and that the matter was there
fore at an end. If Smith should announce
that no breach of privilege had occurred.
Gladstone is expected to appeal to the
speaker of the house to decide to the con-
trary. and order that the publisher of the
Times must avow his error and apologize.
Whatever happens, the Parnellites feel
confident of scoring triumph.
Daniel Manning.