New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1887-02-18
A SUBSTANTIAL TORY VICTORY.
THE IRISH QUESTION VOTED DOWN IN THE
COMMONS.

THE GOVERNMENT NOT TO SHOW ITS HAND UNTIL
RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE CONSIDERED.
LONDON, Feb. 17.-In the House OF Commons to-
day w. H. Smith moved that the discussion OF the
rules of procedure have precedence over all orders Oh
the day. He said that the prolonged debate on the
address showed the need of putting some limit to the
speaking. which had become prolx. II WIS now the
sixteenth day of the debate and restraint was needfu
in order to enable the House to carry on practical
business and save Parliament from seli-destfuction
through the abnegation OF its duties Z.
Sir William Vernon Harcourt said the Opposition
did not desire to place obstacles in the way OF the
progress OF business He hoped the matter OF
would not be made patty question. -.
Mr. LabOuchere objected to giving blank check Oh
this sort to the Government: thereby permitting them
to monopolze every day with the discussion OF pro,
cedure rules. He did not think the Government was
able to effect good legislation. The session ougntI
therefore, in his opinion, to be made an educauonsl
The best thing the Liberals could 90 was
occupy the time in making speeches lLaughter,l
Henry Richard, member for Merthyr iydvh' wares;
Liberal moved amendment that day be grantee r
for debating the Welsh Dsestabllshment Dill Inc
motion was carried by vote OF 261 to los
Mr. Parncll asked the Government to concede time
to discuss his proposal for admitting Irish
to the benefits OF the Land act OF 1881 Under Mr.
Smiths motion. he said il would he five weeks oeio,e
any Irish question would have chance to be heard.
He therefore moved that the rules OF procedure 20
not considered before the Government disclose tne >
nature OF their proposed legislation for lre.and.
ICheers Continuing he said he was not disposed 10
the interests OF 1relan1 IN give
Government precedence tor their procedure proposals
The motion had been sprung the House suddenly IN
defiance of the fact that there were no precedeh's ,o
such interruption of the debate on the address. Inc
affairs OF Ireland In too critical condition 70 DC
thus nut aside The WcstpOrt Board OF Guardians hau
lust received notice OF intended eyictons of l,ooo
persons while Lord Cork asking tor police 10
assist in further evictions. Was II at such time rs
this that Irish members we're debarred from bringing
forward grievances -
Mr. Snth said he thought the proceedings OF the
last three weeks were sufficient show how useless 1t
was to 90 further into the Irish question until the rules
OF procedure were settled. 9.
division was taken Mr.. Parnels motion and II
was rejected by a vote OF 2l2 against loi' J. he
announcer cment was received with cheers BY the Con
servaiives Mr.. Smith announced that the Government
would begin giving precedence TO the rules oil pfocu
on Monday ...,,
on the address Arthur OCODnor moved to adjourn on
the ground that Parnees had not been fairly treat
cd Mr. Smith opposed the motion. Mr. Bra1laugh sup
porteG H. saving that he sympathiZed with the farnci-
ties The motion rejected by vote OF 26l 10 W.
After another ATTEMPT had been made continue the
deha On thc odirss the speaker said 1t was evidently
the Sc the House that the subject had been slnc
iently discussed. Mr. smith moved that the qneS,io
10 now put" The motion was Carrtd-gs3 10 li-auui
the address adopted by vote OF .s5 10 ~, hn
Conservative cheers In the divisions MI ohahoeria'h
and Lord Harrington voted with the Government s-
The Governments double victory was partly due 70
the continued DISCRIMINATION OF the Liberals. me
Conservative whips being aware that Mr. Smth "oul'
declare urgency for the giving OF precedence 10 t us
cusson of the procedure rules other business Kept
a full complement OF members ready TO vote. Ihe
Liberals had issued call for the attendance of mem
bers and were taken by surprise their benches being
almost empty. The brunt OF the debate tell upon the
Parncliics. and before the division on Mr. farnc.
amendment the bulk OF the Liberals had leit the
House After the division the Parnelites held hur-
ried conference and decided 10 try Obstructive tactics
in order 10 prOlOng the debate Mr Smith VIII
counterfeit this move by insisting that precedence DC
given the discussion OF the procedure rule on Mon
day whether the debate the address be concluded OF