The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1887-09-30
The InterlOcutOrS Still After
Railroad Men
AND WARNING SOME OF EN- UP.
Col Reiff In Particular Gets on His
Ear and Asks q Few Pertinent
Ouestions-Other Notes.
TIL. Railroad investigation.

this morning to explain vouchers for
considerable amount in possession of
the Central Pacific Railroad, which
showed him to have received these
amounts for service. The Senator said
he never did anything for the Centrol
| Pacific road, but was engaged as coun-
| sci for the Southern Pacific. In 1878 e
had left the Senate and entered upon
| his law practice in 'annah and re-
ceived word that services wer.
wanted in WashingtLn NJ He went on
there and met Huntington, with whom
he made contract as counsel for Il 9
Southern Pacific Railway, to adyant g
its interests in the south against Gov
ernor Scott's Texas & Pacific Raj :
way. Witness produced cor
tract drawn by Huntington which
provided for the payment to Nor wood
for his services of $40, 900 yearly. Will
an allowance for his expenses. He al
ways made his bills against the South
ern Pacific Road and drew receipts in
| favor of the Central Pacific. NORWOOD
said he knew of no act of wrong on the
part of the Southern Pacific or its
officer, unless it was the act of placing
| these charges on the books of the Cen
trail Pacific. At this point Attorney
Cohen said he was glad Norwood had
made this criticism, for he had TO
doubt that when the charges were made
there was contract by which the Cen
trail Pacific was receiving the earnings
of the Southern Pacific and paying its
expenses.
Col. John B. Reiff, of Woerishoffer Il
Co.. bankers and brokers, this city, was
next called to the stand. He knew
| nothing about the matters of the Cen
trail Pacific Railroad Company, but did
know considerable concerning the
Kansas Pacific and Union Pacific Rail
roads, and was fiscal agent of the former
company from 1866 to i874. Reif said
he would like it understood that he was
present as an unwilling witness, as he
had already suffered considerably from
the money power that controls the
roads concerning which he was
called to testify. When asked
said: 81 suppose Mr.. Gould;
he is the boss" Witness first attacked
the consolidation of the Kansas Pacific
with the Union Pacific. He said the
latter road had not lived up to the act
of 1864, with reference to full paid
stocks, and had acquired great power
by issuing paper which cost them
nothing. This enormous power they
had used 10 bankrupt the Kansas
Pacific and injure witness, and his
friends. Since Gould had got into the
company, Gould's methods have con-
trolled and those methods are in doing
! Just exactly as they want to and rely
ing on the subserviency of public
Offices and courts under the plea of
vested rights. 1T is too late" The
Union Pacific has during this entire in
vestigation been crying out that they
were cramped by the action of Con-
gress, but they have not been so greatly
cramped, for they have practically
built up their branch lines since
the passage of the Thurman act.
| Witness said the company could have
| but never proposed q settlement until
compulsion was resorted to, and then
| it fought. The Union Pacific, Reiff
said, appeared to be very fortunate in
| that it possessed resources that allowed
it to do what it pleased, and still escape
the administration of the law. Con
| corning the proposed adjustment of
governments claim, ReiH said: II
would not unduly press these aided
companies to these debts. l would
have the existing laws administered
equitabIy, compelling the roads to do
exactly what they are able to do"
Judge Dillon expressed q desire TO
cross-examine witness, and proceeded
until he reached the matter of suit
brought against the Union Pacific Rail-
way to test the right of the road to con-
struct branches. Colonel Reif said he
had nothing to do with the suit and
then appealed to the commission. 81
am here as an unwilling witness and
am willing to submit to any reasonable
cross-examlnation, but l an not on trial
and don't know what right Judge
Dillon has here if he has any. Ny re-
lations with the people whom Judge
Dillon represents have been disagreeable
and don't want them made any mo
So" Witness then submitted to little
| further cross-examination, and started
to give a little testimony. Witness
said: Isn't it very strange that they
who have been the greatest foes,
especially if they haye been able
foes, of the U. P. in Congress, after
ward appear as their champions2 The
authors OF the Thompson Bill defeated
for reelection by these people
appeared In their employ at the next
session of Congress. Who is the com
pany's biggest friend in the Senate of
| the United States to-day George r.
Hoar. Who signed the Credit Mobilier
reports? Who are their Washington
attorneys? Shellabarger Il Wilson.
who signed the report. If 1 had my
way, l would have Congress pass a
simple bill declaring that when the
United States has q money interest in
any corporation, it shall have all the
rights possessed by q stockholder. This
I think, would settle the entire mat
Ter"
Regarding the government directors
of the Union Pacific, Reif said: " If
there were thirteen members of board
of directors at meeting, and Gould
were one of them, would bet on Gou d
getting just what he wanted at such
meeting every time"
Judge Dillon desisted from furth or
examination, and recess was taken.
After recess, Mr.. GaetZ was recalled.
! He failed to remember having paid any
sums out of the Central Pacific's funds
on behalf of the Southern Pacific.
Louis G. Chittenden, formerly coun-
sci for the Central Pacific, never at
tempted to secure legislative votes ny
bribery.
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