Morning journal and courier., 1887-09-13
News by Telegraph FROM ALL QUARTERS. IN SESSION ALL NIGHT. English Commoners Talk
 ing Up Ireland. GLADSTONE TAKES 4 HAND. The Police Routed At BaIIy
 POreen.
 THIS YEARS CROP OF APPLES The First Trial Yacht
 Race To-Day.
THIS YEARS CROP OF APPLES
THE RIGHTS OF THE IRISH

Under Discussion In The House O , Commons-AM All Night Session M Which The Liberals And National
 ists Make Common Cause Agains
 The Government
 LONDON, Sept. 12-Sir William Vernon : Harcourt, Liberal, in the House of Common
 this afternoon, a motion that the Hous,
 go into committee the appropriation bill
 called attention to the general policy of tn,
 government i'll Ireland, especially to the in
 vasion of the rights of the people respecting
 the holding of public meetings. He de-
 manded that the House be informed ot the
 nature of the instructions given to the DO lice in Ireland regarding the line of action
 they are to pursue with respect to public
 meetings; also whether the report was true
 that General Sir Redvers Butler had resign
 ed his post of under-secretary for Island and 1 what were the reasons for. the resignation. He claimed that the Irish people possessed
 ic common with the English people the l right to meet and denounce the action of the l legislative branch of the government, and declared that to prevent the holding of such l meetings violated the common law and the 1 constitution and were fragrant breach and | denial of the fundamental principles of both l and were wholly incompatible with the ex- ] istence of free government or the rights of 8 ! free people. Some Tory journals had sug- gested that machine guns ought to be used against the Irish people. (Cries of "what paperaO ''The St. James Gazette" an- swered the speaker, adding ''a typical Tory organ" eThe most detestable and scan- dalous language has been used by the Times," Sir William went on. '' for the express purpose of driving the Irish to revolt-langnage such never be- fore degraded the press of free country. If the advice of the Unionist press had been followed, what between machine guns, evic- tions and Tory landlords very few Irish people would be left" He was confident that the Irish people would persist in the prudence and calmness they had already ex- hibited. If anything was dear to the English it WAS the right of public meeting which the government was now trampling upon. Let the government try the experiment of their new doctrine upon the people of England. The country would make short work of them. The heart of England was with the Irish in vindicating the right of public meeting and
  Meetings must continue to be held in all parts of Ireland. (Parnellite cheera.) If there was one lesson in the history of poli- tics which was taught more than any other it wes that caUse that could not bear open discussion was already lost. The govern ment's dread of public meetings would seal \ down their Irish policy.
 Mr. Balfour, chief secretary for Ireland, replying to Sir William Vernon Harcourt
 
 ing under were the same they had received | when Sir William was member of the Gladstone government. (Cheers.) With I regard to General Butler, Mir. Balfour said, I he had always acted in perfect harmony with | the present government His appointment ! temporary and he resigned now simply ! because he desired not to delay his ! return tc the war office. (Cries of "Oh, | Oh,'' from the Parnellites.) If anyone | that General Buffers retirement | was due in the slightest degree to differ supposition was absolutely false. Referring | to Sir Williams contention that the sup pression of public meetings was illegal, MT. \ Balfour said he did not know at what period | Sir William lost his knowledge of law, but it | was a matter of history that under the com mon law of Ireland Sir William acted with Gladstone and Forster in proclaiming one hundred and thirty meetings (cheers). It | was again and again stated when these meet ings were proclaimed that the act of 1882 did \ not contain any new powers. The question really was, not whether the governments ac- tion was legal, but whether it was polite. | An important element to consider was the | condition of the district of Ennis, | a notorious center of agrarian ! crime. It was absurd to describe such | meetings as being for free discussion. \ They were heralded by placards of an in [ 1.oi-. object to defeat the law and foster outrages and intimidation. Regarding the Mitchels- town affair, MT. Balfour said it had been clearly ascertained that the action of the po- lice was in the face of extreme provoeation (Cries of ''Oh! Ohl'0 The police were as saulted with stones and blackthorn sticks before they drew their batons (Cries of 'tNoI No!" and 'tHear! Hear!'0 It was not till they were thrown into disorder by the charge of the horsemen, which knocked down and wounded number and forced the rest to fly for their lives, that the police fired. It was absolutely necessary for them to fire to protect the barracks and the unfortunate po- and cheers.) The firing was not the random firing of men in panic, but deliberate act under the order of their commander. He maintained that the conduct of the po- lice was amply justified and that they were in no way to blame, the sole responsibility be- | William had on his lips the words liberty, justice and free speech, but the actual weapons he and his friends used in the Irish contest were obstruction in Parliament and resistance to the law outside, violence and worse than violence. Did the opposition mean to further influence the passions of the Irish, driving them to- resist ance to the law of liberty founded upon order that was once dear them to have regard for the community whose lives and properties were counters with which Sir William was playing politi- cal game. The government did not waver in their policy. They believed that firm ad- ministration of the law and determination to do their utmost to remove the evils fo- menting distrust would bring to Ireland united people. They knew they must expect little assistance from the opposition. but, un- by criticism, they would persevere in the course that must end in the concilia- tion of Ireland.
 MT. Labouchere said that he had been in 8 position to see all that occurred at M1tchels- town. Stringent orders were gwen to the people by the leaders to avoid disturbance. When they assembled in the market place MT. Dillon advised that the proceedings be as short as possible with the view of avoiding disorder. There was no reporter, but the police could not force him through the densely packed crowd and they were driven back upon the reserve. They then advanced to assault the crowd, the af- fray being begun by a constable drawing his sword and wounding q horse. There were not at any moment more than fifty people fighting the police. There were women and children in the crowd and the men had a perfect right to resist the attack. When the police fired there was no danger of any of them being attacked either inside or outside the barracks. The police behaved like wild beasts. battering the people about l without mercy. The chief constable showed a deliberate intention to break up the meeting. MT. Labouchere held the chief constable and the resident magis-sI trate responsible for what had occurred and he accused them of deliberate murder. (Cheers.)
 Mir. Gladstone on rising was loudly cheered. l He said it was natural that the debate should I be mainly directly to the Mitchelstown out rage, but Sir William Vernon Hareourt had | performed public service 1n drawing atten- | tion to the Ennis meeting. Mir. Balfour de- clared that the government would perseyere