New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1887-04-10
VIEWS OF MR. PARNELL
AN AUTHORIzED INTERVIEW.
ANGER IN ENGLAND AT TORY BLuNDERs

bm IRISH LEADER TAKING AN UNUSUALLY HoPE'
yuL VIEW OF THE sITUATIoH-THE HAsTY
CLOSURE AN IRRITATING ACT OF TYRANNY
DESPERATION OF THE LANDLORDs-P0R-
TIoNs OF TIE GOVERNMENT LAND
BILL APPROVED - THE BANK
RUPrCY PROVISIONS TRAP.
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sa aUn the large eSon and in
10 many and inquiries is herewith reprinted
LONDON, April I'll had tho following interview
today with Mr.. Parnell:
Mr. Gill-How do you like the look Of the situa-
toni
Mr.. Parnell-I like the look of the situation. The
arbitrary action OF the Government ia closing the
debate when my amendment to the first reading OF
the Coercion bill had only been under discussion for
one evening has produced strong feeling If antag-
onism to the measure throughout Great Britain
Recollect this was not o case of Engshmen stop
ping the mouths Of Irishmen. 1t was $50
Tories and renegade Liberals formally applying the
closure to o minority $50 strong. consisting not
merely of the Irish party, but of the great Liberal
party of England now bolding the constitutional
position OF the Queens opposition, and at their head
the greatest English statesman of the century and
the oldest and most illustrions Pariawentarian in
the House of Commons This unheard-of proceed
inghas irrtated tho Liberals in the country exceed
aged the bill, which will certainly be carried by a
diminished majority its second reading. but in
no case can survive the committee stage in its pres
ent form. In fact, have not permitted myself to
take 90 cheerful view of the general political stu
alton at any time since the elections as during the
last few days. The manifestations of honest popu-
lar indignation now taking place throughout Eng
land are quite unprecedented and are most inspir-
ing. Please say, too, that tremendous effect has
been produced by the spontaneous demonstration
which the American people have been good enough
to make in our behalf The resolutions condemning
coercion ador ted by the Legislatures and the great
meetings in American cities proving most val
liable aid to our cause.
Mr.. Gil-What do you think will happen in Ire
land if the Coercion bill passes. although In mod
lied formf
Mr. Parnell-well, hope its evil designs will be
foiled Hitherto Coercion act has always blooded-
rp the landlords to evict and evictions unfortu.
natsly have always brought crime in their train.
Tho reason last winter was so quiet was because
the landlords gave concessions. The moment my
bill was thrown ont the Cork landlords held meet
ing and Mr.. Penrose Fitzgerald. who moved the re-
lection of my bill ia the House of Commons, urged
them to reduce their rents so as to prove that my
bill was not needed. The of the Tories then was
to govern Ireland az they Wanted they could do at
the general oleCtlOn, WltuOut cOeTclVu anu
Home Rule. In order to falsify Mr.. Gladstone's
prophecy the Government supplemented the volun-
tary action of the Cork landlords By bringing
pressure to bear refractory rackrenters through
the agency Of County Court Judge Curran, General
Butler and Captain Plunkett. When you add to
these exertons the action of Mr.. Dillon and Mr.
O3riep In working the Plan of Campaign, the in
fuence of which extended to estates far beyond the
radius of those on which it was adopted, you will
see what powerful machinery there was in opera
ton to bring down rents, to check evictions and
consequently to prevent crime Now. howeve the
landlords and the Government are on another tack
altogether. They have grown desperate and are
fighting for their existence, the Government pre-
pairing wildly to coerce and the landlords to evict.
Under ordinary circumstances such combination
would inevitably produce an outbreak of crime and
outrage but have every confidence that in this
case the Irish people will resist the attempt of the
Government and the landlords to goad them into
violence.
Mr.. Gll-Would not an outbreak of crime have
an unfortunate effect opon English OpiDionf
Mr.. Parnell-Yes it would be most unfortunate.
Crime would shock and revolt English opinion and
postpone Home Rule some time. perhaps too long,
perhaps till Mr.. Gadstones political life were over.
This is the calculation of these miserable politicians
who had formed this villanous plot against the
liberties and happiness OF nation for the sake of
keeping themselves in office for a few years be-
leve, however that our people will, as said in my
speech the other Light, hearken to Mr. Gladstone's
voice where he pointed out to them ho " powerfully
the peaceabla state of Ireland had enabled him and
tho Liberal party to take and maintain their strong
stand against CO ercion.
Mr.. Gill-What is your opinion of the Govern
ment Land bill
Mr. Parnell The clauses regarding leaseholders
are taken almost word for word from my bill of last
session, except that some limitations IN mine
favorable to the tenants are not contained in the
bill of the Government. These provisions concern
ing leaseholders are of course, fav orabe if they be
fairly administered, and shall support them
but there 10 much reason to doubt whether they
will be fairly administered. One of the first effects
of the now bill would be the suppression of the
great bulk of the present land commissioners, who
have recently besn giving large ATTACHMENTS and
who are as a result out of favor at the Castle. In
their stead would be appointed set Of thorough
going landlord partisans, who would perform the
function of rent reduction minimum scale AS
for the rest of the measure it Is trap.
Mr. Gill-You allude to the bankruptcy prov-
sionsf
Mr. Parnel-Yes, chiefly. It must be borne 10
mind that the tenant must undergo the humiliation
of becoming bankrupt before he will be entitled
to get his rent reduced The equitable jurisdiction
provisions constitute the County Court judges the
tribunal to fix the rate of the future rent and COM
position for arrears of the bankrupt tenant. These
mon are. with ono exception, the friends Of the
landlords and will work the bill, if Ii becomes
act. altogether In their interest. The roundabout
system Of bankruptcy has been adopted 80 as TO
save in appearance the present judicial rents and
leave them as the basis for future purchase, an
operation which will be fraughr with the gravest
and most certain loss to the British taxpayer.
Mr.. Gill-What do you think of tho provision for
enabling the landlord to transform q tenant into a
caretaker without the process of evictioni
Mr.. Parnell.-By Baron Doasys act Of 1860, the.
ancient common law rights of the tenants we're
taken away and the law OF eviction strictly defined
Tho tenants would have been much better off II