Morning journal and courier., 1887-08-27
News by Telegraph
FROM ALL QUARTERS.
GLADSTONE is BEATEN
In His Latest Effort For
Ireland.
AN EXCURSION YACHT SUNK
And Fifteen Persons Lose
Their Lives.
C0L0R0W WANTS BIG FIGHT. |
Trade Fairly Good The |
Past Week.
NO HOPE FOR THE LEAGUE.

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and Votes Mako the House Go.
LONDON, Aug. 26.-O'Gorman Mahon, Ma
| tionalist the newly-elected member of th,
House of Commons for Carlow county, en-
| tered tie House of Commons this afternoon
and took his seat. He was greeted with
cheers by the Parnellite members Sit
| George Trevelyan, one of the late Gladstone
| recruits, resumed the debate on Mr.. Glad.
| stones motion for an address to the Queen
for a notification of the governments pro-
claiming the Irish National league. He said
the late government did not ask the House
of Commons to pass their Irish crimes bill
on hearsay, but that they based their de-
mands on parliamentary returns of grave
outrages. There had been committed IT'S
outrages during the previous year and TWEEN
ty-six agrarian and political murders during
the first half of the previous year. Sir
George commended that the House should
have tabulated statistics of crime in Ireland,
and that to mention one crime here and an
other there was not sufficient to justify
such action as the government were now
taking against the whole people. He denied
that the operations of the Irish National
leagAe increased crime in Ireland or led to
general non-payment of rent. The league
existed everywhere in Ireland and anywhere
agrarian crime was infinitesimal. Where land
lords in Ireland made reductions like those
made by landlords in Great Britain they got
their rents as easily as the English landlords.
When the speaker went to Ireland as chief
secretary under the late government it was
with resolution to wage war against crime
and against that only and he maintained that
policy on the whole. 'Let the House under
stand, he continued, "that if the proclama-
ton of the league is sanctioned every Irish
man belonging to the league who will not
leave it at the command of the government
will be punished as a common criminal. And
that liability will not depend upon any ju-
dicial proceeding worthy the name" In con-
clusion he complained that the statements
by Mr.. Balfour, chief secretary for Ireland.
only given out last night left no time for the
examination of their character. Mr.. Balfour
had presented series of alleged facts in
justification of the governments action.
These allegations the House should have
chance to corroborate or refute before COM
ing to decision.
Sir r. E. Webster, attorney general, held
hat the reason why there were not more
convictions of crime in Ireland was simply
because of terror of the league. He remind |
ID the House that Earl Spencers government
1ad repeatedly proclaimed Land league
Meetings and that Sir g. o. Trevelyan had /
these proclamations on the ground /
hat the objects of the Land league were to /
out down landlordism and to effect sepa-
alton between Ireland and England. The |
objects of the existing league, said the speak
~ were the same. Its aim had not been L
hanged. Abundant evidence had been adj
luced as to the civil workings of the league.
The government would now try the expert
nent where the suppression of league meet
ngs would not lessen the intimidation Irish |
,heers) They were told this would be the |
leath struggle. Well, either the league or /
he government would 60 down Qrish cheer
ng.) He did not fear for the result. The
government would be supported by the con-
ciousness that they had done their duty.
T. Harrington, Nationalist, said that as
me largely responsible for the league he
lesired to reply to the calumnies that had
,een hurled at it. He read letters from |
ranches of the league condemning the prac-
ices which the government declared the
sague promoted. The league repudiated
very form of outrage: The league would go
n doing what it had done in spite of procla-
nations which had no terror for the Irish |
eople (cheers.)
William Redmond accused the Orange |
ociety of worse intimidation than ever was
harged to the league. Under certain cir
he said, boycotting was iustid-
BILE and necessary. CHEERS from the minis
erial bench.)
Lord Harrington said he did not think
he speech of Mr.. Redmond would influence
he House in favor of the constitutional and
,gitimate character of the league. He
Quilted whether if Sir G. o. Trevelyan's
Jews upon the crimes act had been known |
/ Bridgeton he would have got the support
the Irish electors. Laughter.) Sir George |
id not dwell on the object or tyranny Of {
le league or the ruin and loss it caused nor ,
i'd he enter upon the question whether |
ord Salisbury and Earl Spencer were
lstifed in the policies they adopted.
he question for present decision was wheth- {
the previous policy which had been SO sue :
,ssful should be followed by the present |
if the tyranny of the league be- |
sme more rampant and more organized. As ]
II as the action of an association was wholly | I
olitical it could not be condemned, but if |
lie action of an association destroyed the
berty of the people and subverted order e
i'd good government it did not matter what
le supposed motives of the association WERE G
was enough that its action was hostile to
'cial order (cheers.) The House had already
scided that intimidation prevailed prevent 6
g persons from pursuing their lawful occu- t
atoms. It was not the duty of the \
,vernment to lay before Parliament the in-
rmation desired by the opposition. The
lines act was now a part of the law. Ac-
on was taken by the government as the q
,ecutive. 1t was not necessary to produce q
'idence in support of executive acts. He q
'ntradicted the reports that he had dis q
freed with the government upon the step '
opposed. He believed that the leagues t
m was spolistion and injustice, and that
methods were in defiance of the laws. r
ontinuing, Lord Harrington said that he {
ID some doubt as to the course adopted. C
g should have preferred, If it had been | =
,ssible, that the government resort 8
the first instance to the
m and object he entirely and earnestly il
mpathized. They were justified by the q
cts before them in the course they had 3
ken. He would oppose Mr.. Gladstone's +
solution because it asked the House to in p
rfere needlessly and prematurely with the c.
exercise of the authority which y
had entrusted to them and in 6
nded they should use. a
Sir William Vernon Harcourt said he n
ought that the preceding speech was an c.
one coming as it did from such 7
statesman, who knew that the
ep he was taking was fateful both for Ire a
nd and for England. Instead of advising q
Q country under these grave circumstances
only endeavored to show that he
ID not been consulted and therefore was not
sponsible for what had been done. 1t had t
en the habit of the Unionists to support n
Q government whether they were consulted
not, but to night. he believed the Unionists
ould be resolved into their original atoms. =
,me would vote for the government and b
me for the resolution. Such was the union | t
the Unionists. daughter and cheers.) t
ord Hartingtons support of the government b
as certainly not of the most cordial charac- t
81. His concluding argument was weak be-
Iuse this executive act would have ac- a
tally persisted unless it had Parliament's
,proval (Cheers) The government al i
wed verdict of not guilty to be entered in :
veral clauses of the Indictment against the
ague, for they did not dare proclaim t
as an association for the c
romotion of crime or interfering with the j
aintsnanee Of Lam and order. he would q