St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1887-09-23
MAY BE BARRED OUT.
Yachtsmen at New York EX-
cited Over the Thistle'S
Measurement,
Which May Keep Her From
Competing for the Amer
ica's Prize Cup.
Dingley, the Minneapolis BIZ
cycliSt, Breaks the Worlds
Previous Records.
Yesterdays Big Events on the
Turf in the East and
West.
Special to the Globe.

Special to the Globe.
NEW YORK, Sept. 22.-There was a
sensation in the rooms of the New York
Yacht club tonight. The official meas
urement of the Thistle disclosed the
fact that she was nearly foot and
half longer on the water line than she
was represented to be by the
figures given in the challenge for
the American cup, and the Ques-
tion was raised whether she should
be allowed to sail races in her present
condition. The question is an important
one, as it effects the amount of ballast
the Challenge can carry, and through
that her existing sail plan. In the chal-
lenge she was represented to be S5 feet
on the water line. Mr.. Hyslop's meas
urementS show her to be S6.45
feet on the water line. The
excess is explained by the fact that
when she first came out 1t was dis
covered that she was too heavily spared,
and her ballast was increased so as to
make her carry her sails. How many
tons of ballast were added is not known,
except that over ton, and, according to
some reports, two tons have been put
in since her arrival in this port. At any
rate the effect has been to sink her
deeper in the water and lengthen the
water line.
INFORMAL DISCUSSION
OF the matter was held in the model
right and Stephen Peabody, of the re-
gatta committee, and Gen. Paine and
Mr.. Burgess. The last named gentle
man had called at the. club room to see
the measurement, and some one sug-
gested to Gen. Paine that he ought to
write to Vice Commodore Bell
calling attention to the fact
that the Thistle's water-line length ex-
ceeded that given in the challenge, and
suggested that she should be lighteHed
sufficiently to make her conform to the
challenging dimensions. Gen. Paine
replied that he had nothing to do with
the matter. The races are sailed by the
club, and he only lends his boat to de-
any action in the natter" He added,
''It was the committee The question
is really very serious one for the This
tie, as she can scarcely carry her can
vas now in a strong breeze, and if she
is required to take out enough to bring
her to the challenge measurement she
will, in all probability, not be able to
carry it at all, except in light wind.
1t is probable, however, that a meeting
of the committee will be held tomorrow
to consider what action shall be taken.
ANOTHER REPORT.
Special to the Globe.
NEW YORK, Sept. 22-Although John
HySlOp, the meaSurer of the New York
Yacht club, did not make his official re-
port of the dimensions of the Volunteer
and Thistle to the club committee until
this evening, the figures somewhat
leaked out among few knowing ones
during the afternoon, and there was
much jubilation among such of them as
had been backing the Volunteer when
it was learned that she had only to
allow the Scotch cutter five
seconds. 1t is needless to say that the
Thistle hackers were cOrreSpondingly
depressed. 1t had been believed that
the allowance would be at least one
minute, and some had figured it as high
as one and One-half minutes. The sail
ing lengths of the two yachts, according
to the official figures, are VOLUNTEER,
1875 feet; Thistle, 1920 feet; and the
allowance is five seconds. The yachts
are being put in trim for the inside race
Tuesday. Carpenters have been busy on
them all day, and crowds of visitors
have been kept away. Gen. Paine,
owner of the Volunteer, was introduced
to Mr.. Watson, the designer of the
Thistle, this afternoon. At Watson's
invitation Paine made a thorough in
specti0n of the Scotch yact, inside and
out. Betting is changing literally to-
night. A week ago it was easy to get
50 to SIS On the Volunteer, but bets of
even money are plenty tonight. The
Thistle and her hackers have a good
deal of money, and are liberal with it.