The Memphis appeal. [volume] (Memphis, Tenn.) 1886-1890, 1887-07-20
FORCED SOCIAL EQUlllTY.
TIE EVIDENCE IN THE CASE OF
C0UNClLL, THE NEGRO.
Two ofthe Best Citizens State That
They Would Not Believe
Him on Oath.
lwsorAL TO rHs ArPlAL.i

being eJected rom q white car som,
time since. This particular evidenc
bears upon an incident hich occurre,
In Huntsville, when Oourcill, accom-
panied by number OF negroes, tool
posssession OF q car set aside for whit
ladies. 1t explains itself:
iestion-stste to the Court, Mr.
Rand, what you saw on that occasion
ct the depot, whsn the ladies' coscl
was taken possession Of by the colore.
people and the white ladies wer,
forced 10 return TO another car.
Answer My statement as giyer
there Is ne perfect ss You can get IL.
arrived at the depot and assisted In,
ladies out They went to the siitin,
room and i drove around to tbs real
OF the depot and hitched my horse.
started around the depot, and Just as
got to the entrance met the younp
ladies pressing their way through the
crowd who were In the depot and on
the platform. l did not 70 inside the
building at all. The tram had lust
arrived, and We started for the ladies'
car; We made our way ss rapidly NJ
We could In that crowd, aud / went 10
the ladi 10 car with the young ladies.
just ahead Of me there were sewn or
eight colored people, men and women,
In the car; they were entering the car
when got ON the steps. We pressed
on, and after seating the ladies REQ.
ogn zed one Of the party, who was
Henry Hopkins He was seated, and
/ made up my mind, from the posl.
lion Of Henry Hopkins, that they
intended riding In that car. va,
not inclined TO leave the young
ladies unaccompanied, and soueht
the conductor. In passing
out Of the car passed Councill, about
Ten feet from the front Of that car In
the aisle. He was facing to the South
and | passed around In his rear. on
the North side Of him. / found the
conductor al the door OF the baggage
car and asked what was going TO be
done about the ladies' car being filed
with colored people. He SAID that he
Was powerless TO do anything. / sug.
gested that the whites abandan that
car and 20 Into the next car. He asked
II the whites would consent to do 60.
Then left and went directly 10 the
ladies' coach where l bad left the young
ladies and told the question. The
white passengers oil seemed TO rise
about the same time, and went out 10
advance Of me. TIE young ladies
we're seated about three. fourihs back
In the car; ! did not return, bat occu.
pied the second car until the train
started. Ibid not return to the ladies'
car at all.
Q-Mr. Rand, you say that you
passed Councill In the aisle Of that car
vben you had charge Of those young
ladies, that he faced South, and that
you passed around himf
A-Ya,sin
Q-while he was facing south was
he or not talking 10 some colorei
ladies'. occupying seais7
AL don't remember, he was not
alone. thsre we're other, some stand.
Ing and some sltting.
Q-He was standing In the aisleH
Ayes, cir.
OILS II not true that the Memphis
and Charleston railroad had at that
time aud on that occasion, @ car Of
equal comfort and accommodation
provided Tor eolored psople a. for the
whites1
Ayes, cir, that 10 true.
OILS II not true that the car that
you fnt carried the young ladies' into
was specially reserved for the white
lAdies7
A-Itis.
Q-And tina, is the car You iound
Council aud the others occupying
seats vhan you went int
A-That IA the car Ia which Ooun.
Gill was standing and Others were CIT.
ting. rs
Odd you not for the purpose and
with the view OF avoiding any col.
lision with those colortd people take
those young ladies' under your charge
and cary them back TO the colored
peoples cart
ALT was my sole obIsc, and had
nothing else Ia view.
OILS iiinot true hat Vim II Ooun.
ell In tbs publioprints Of this city, has
pointedly, plainly and smphatically
denied being In tina, carr
Ayes cir, II 10 a fact, a. 10 the
time ] said be was In there he denied
having been In that car until Just be.
lore II started.
q He ba,in the public prints Of
this city denied the statement You
have m sde here1
A-Hs has.
Q-Mr. R,pd do you know what
the reputation Of wm. II. Council
is 10 this community for truth and
veracityi 60, 80
Al would rather not answer that
Question and will assga . reason, no
man In this community has felt any
more inieres, 10 Councill and his suc.
Gees than myseli
QrDo you no, believe that there
was an effort a. the dspo, tba, day 20
iorcs social equality -
Al can't understand wha, else
would prompt him 10 want TO enter
the ladies' car when the other was last
- NsshAsshaoi't huN lnf tut lhCl oil
avoiding the common herd OF colored
people, OF 10 be with the white people,
term u what you please, '
Q-With the knowledge You have:
would you believe VIM. n. Counclli
on oath where he wa, interested3
A-No, cir, | 40 aid not.
Q-Whit do you believe that his
reputation Tor tuth and veracity IA
In this c mmubiy7
Al have not heard a single Wit.
ness examined, have not seen Ooun.
GILL In the courtroom In tany OF these
complications he has had, and INV
knowledge Of Ojuncill. IN reference Of
these repnt', 10 from hsarssy.
Q-Thst is the only way you can
get q mans reputation, and you do
know his general reputation1
Aye, air.
Q-What 10 that general reputation
for truth and vsrscity, according 10
heresayf
Al 10 not good.
Q-Upon that general reputation.
then. would you believe him on oath,
when he was interested
A-No, mr., | would not.