Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1887-09-26

THE THISTLE CAN SAIL.
Discussion as 70 the Discrepancy in the
Measurements Of Her Waser.Line.
NOT TO BAR HER OCT, But TO ESTABLISH A PRICE,
DBNT-REPoRT OF UMPIRE sCHUYLER-KvERYBopY
PERFECTLY SATISFIED.
The discussion as to whether the discrepancy
between the Thistle's water-line as given in the
challenge, and as proved by actual measurement
would bar her from competing for the cup, has
been definitely settled. This happy result was at
tained through meeting at the New York Yacht
Club Saturday night, participated in by the cup
committee, the regatta committee, and others.
Among those present were Commodore Gerry ex-
Commodore Smith, Vice Commodore Haight Philip
Schuyler, Alexander Taylor jr., Gen. Paine, Jas.
Bell, the representative owner OF the Thistle;
Geo. Watson, her designer, and VIM. Yorke, the
secretary OF the Royal Clyde Yacht Club. The
discussion was entirely amicable and all parted
with the best of feeling and pleasant anticipations
OF seeing race worth seeing on Tuesday and
another on Thursday.
definition OF the meaning OF clause in the deed
OF gilt attached to the Americas cup which ad-
United OF diverse interpretations ascertain
whether or not, according to the deed OF gift the
challenging yacht is required to state the exact
Water-lne length. The purpose was merely to
establish precedent to govern future challenges
around which the discussion revolved: Accom-
panying the six-months' notice there must be a
custom-hOuSe certificate OF the measurement and
statement OF dimensions rig, and name OF the
vessel" The committee held that the water line
was an essential measurement under the deed or
gilt, and, In view OF the precedent that would be
established by the acceptance OF either view OF
the case at this time, both parties desired TO SUB
nit the question to the umpire, Mr.. Geo. l.
Schuyler who is the sole surviving donor OF the
Americas cup.
WHAT MR. RFIY SAYS
After the meeting saturday night Mr.. Bell, the
owner OF the Thistle, in an interview, said:
"There never was any question OF the race COM
ing Off. The only question that arose was whether
the deed OF gift requires statement OF the water
line length The decision will affect future races,
not this. In our challenge we stated the CUSTOM
house measurements. These do not af1ord any
basis tor estimating within ten feet what the
water-iine length Is. Therefore, as a matter Oh
courtesy and fair play, We wanted the cup com,
mittee to know what the water-line length would
be- and sent them an estimate or IL as nearly cor.
rect could be obtained in advance OF the actual
launch or The yacht and the putting or her In rae
Ing trim. We stated in our letter OF March IL that
figures Tor the water-ine length were the result
or an approximate estimate. The committee look
10 exception TO such a statement or the dlmen-
sons. Therefore, OF course, we considered That
the statement was entirely satisfactory. There
has been no disposition to treat the Thistle Ill.,
fairly. The whole object OF the discussion has
been to settle point that. II not settled, might
cause trouble some day, whether the cup remains
here or, as we hope, returns TO England. The
yachts are now about as fairly matched as they
could be II they had been constructed for that ex-
press purpose There is only i've seconds dine r
with us only the pleasanteSt and fricndlcst FEEL
ingS toward the New York yachtSmen and also our
special competitors. They are gentlemen and
SpOrtsmen."
Mr.. schuyler yesterday submitted his report,
which IS entirely satisfactory to all the members
Yacht Club, and OF course, to Mir. Bell and the
friends OF the Thistle. The report is as follows:
UMPIRE scHUYLER's REPORT.
"My reply to the questions submitted to me by Mr.
Bell is as follows:
1.-THE clause in the deed of gift which requires be
side the custom house measurement statement of the
dimensions OF the vessel Is intended to convey Just
as OF tine At rs tine time w1 .H a Il
force at the time the challenge given The lenxtt
nished by boil the Genests and the Gaiatea and hnd
not been given by the Thistle the committee should
AIR Bell did however furnish the load water line O
the Thistle Notwithstanding his misappreheusions o.
himself that Il the Information was Withheld it woul'
be impossible to determine with any approach to sccnr
acy the power of his boat: the ci proves th
necessity Of load water line being factor in vin'
the dimensions of the vessel. well the desire
trial between the contestants for the cup.
second question refers to betweeI
letter Of March IL 1857 about So feet and the sesas
subject the load water line of vessel in commits
sion is accurately Official but before launching wa'
to a sss
to give exactly the water-line length. This however
is her Designers leng H. and when she s about and il
racing trim have reason to expect that 1t will bt
more than an inch or two out either way The import
sr IN s "
reached in any one case cannot lie used as precedent
Any great error in any Of the dimensions. whethe,
through mistake or desiyn would yiiste the agree
stances attending it and always the liberal side
although the variation between the stated and actua
to the defender the cup: still Mr. Bell could ony
ty uI s he ID ,s fr ne the
ably accn ate ;tioD received from him aud
disqualify him from starting the Thistle in the race
agreed upon"
DESIGNER wATsoNS PROTEST.
Mr.. Geo. L. Watson, the designer OF the Thistle
last night issued the following protest In regard t.
the closing paragraph OF Mr. Schuyler's report
which, he thinks, reflects upon himself:
"AIr. Schuyler very properly cxonerates Mr.. Bel
from all blame in the matt r. placing it, with pertec
Justice, on his designer but as he previously implies
that error has been made through mistake or de
sign it becomes necessary for me to protest against
at least half Of this nsinuatIon Just here let he ga,
Schuyler too high minded gentleman aud lonora
Others At the same time some OF the readers OF hi
decision may interpret it otherwise. While, then. tn,
line lower than her designed draft. ana conse
9lenty: from her great oYerians forward and aft.
would be. einl haticslly deny that had any in
tetion that she should be longer shorter than thu
50 feet she was designed for. She Is q new
type Of boat bull. under ,,,r tto me, ney
ing trim the Yacht Racing Associations oficia
measurer found her to be SO 40 feet long or three
Club measurer found her to be. The New York zach
Club scale of time allowance is supposed to adjust al
differences of length and sail devised fol
that purpose II under this rule, extra length be al
of unchivxlrous conduct in designing boat IOh
inches longer than the vessel he expected to meet
to blame me for meeting the Volunteer with a boa
which inadvertently is inches longer than the Volun
teer While throughout this contest have maintained
such Secrecy a seemed to advisable Gas q whist
player has right to own hand would
rather ali chance OF the cup than that
many millions of that people which Chxs. Reade CALI
the most generous nation under the sum should sup
tried for it except III strictly honorable way
In their hands confidently leave the matter"
An Indian Outbreak.
THE SAN CARLOS APACHEs WILL PROBABLY BE JOINEI
BY EsKIMIZIN'S BAND.
Most intense excitement prevails in Tucson