New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1887-04-08


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LONDON. April I'll had the following interview
Today with Mr. Parnell:
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Mr.. Parnell-I like the look of tho situation. The
arbitrary action Of the Government ia closing the
debate when my amendment to the first reading of
the Coercion bill had only been under discussion for
one evening has produced q strong feeling of antag
onism to the measure throughout Great Britain.
Recollect, this was not case of Englishmen stop
ping the mouths of Irishmen. 1T was $50
Tories and renegade Liberals formally applying the
closure to q minority $50 strong, consisting not
merely of the Irish party. but Of the great Liberal
rarity of England, now bOlding the constitutional
position Of the Queens opposition, and at their head
the greatest English statesman of the century and
the oldest and most illustrous Parliar entarian in
the House Of Commons. This unheard-of proceed
ing has irritaied the Liberals in the country exceed
ingly, and in my Judgment has irretricvably dam
aged the bill. which will certainly he carried by a
diminished majority on its second reading. but in
no case cas survive the committee stage in its pres
ept form. In fact, have not permitted myself to
take SO cheerful a view of the general political situ
alton at any time since the elections during the
last few days. The manifestations of honest popu-
lar indignation now taking place throughout Eng
land are quito unprecedented and most inspir-
IL ton af
been produced by tho spontaneous demonstration
W hich the American people'hav been good enough
to make in our behalf Tho resolutions condcmnng
coercion adoT ted by the Legislatures and the great
meetings in American cities are proving most val
liable aid TO our cause.
Mr.. Gill-What do yon think will happen in Ire
land if the Coercion bill passes although mod
lied formi
Mr.. Parncll-Wcll, hope It's evil designs will be
foied Hitherto a Coercion act has always blooded-
rp tho landlords to cvict. and evictions unfortu-
nutely have always brought crime in their train.
The reason last winter was 80 quiet was because
the landlords gave concessions The moment my
bill was thrown ont tho Cork landlords held meet
ing and Mr. Pcnrosc Fitzgerald. no moved the re-
lection of my bill in the House of Commons. urged
them TO reluce their rents so as to prove that my
bill was not needed. Tho of tho Tories then was
to govern Ireland. as they vaunod they could do at
tbe general election, without coercion and without
Home Rulc. In order to fllsfy Dir. Gladstone's
prophecy tho Government supplemented the volun-
tary action OF tho Cork landlords by bringing
pressure bear on refractory rackrentcrs through
the agency Of County Court Judge Curran, General
Buller and Captain Plunkett. When you add to
these exertions the action of Mr.. Dillon and Mr.
o. ]reD in working the Plan OF Campaign, the in
uence of which extended to estates far beyond the
radus Of those on which it was adopted you will
see what powerful machinery there was in opera
ton to bring down rents 10 chock evctons and
consequently to prevent crlme Now, however the
landlords and the Government are on another tack
altogether They have grown desperate and are
lighting for their existence, the Government pre-.
pairing wildly to cocrcc aud the landlords To evct
Under ordinary circuns tances such combination
would inevitably produce an outbreak of crimo and
outrage but have every cont lence that in this
the Irish peor viii resist the attempt of the
Government and the landlords to goad them into
violence.
Mr.. Gill-would not an outbreak of crime have
an unfortunate effect opon English opinions
Mr.. Parnell-Yes. it would be most unfortunate.
Crime would shock and revolt English opinion and
postpone Homo Rule soma time. perhaps too long
perhaps till Mr.. Gadstonos political life were over.
THIS is tho calculation of those miserable politicians
who had formed this vllanous plot against the
liberties and happiness OF nation for the sake of
keeping themselves in Office for few years be-
lieve, however that people will, as said in my
speech the other night, hearken to Mr.. Gadstone's
voice where he pointed ont to them how powerfully
the peaceabls state of ireland had enabled him and
the Liberal party to take and maintain their strong
stand against coercion.
Mr. Gill-What is your opinion of the Govern
ment Land billf
Mr. Parnell The clau.es regarding leaseholders
are taken almost word for word from my bill of last
session.. except that some limitations IN mine
favorable to the tenants are not contained in the
bill of the Government. These provisions concern
ing leasenolders are of course favorable if they be
fairly administered, and We shall support them;
but there Is much reason to doubt whether they
will be fairly administered One of the first effects
of tho now bill would be the supercesson OF the
great bulk of the present land commissioners who
have recently been giving large attachments and
VINO arc as a result out of favor at the Castle In
their stead would be appointed "a set of thorough
going landlord partsans, who would perform the
function OF rent reduction on minimum scale. As
for the rest of the measure it Is o mere trap