The Indiana State sentinel. [volume] (Indianapolis) 1868-1895, 1887-06-15

Debate on the Grimes f5lII IN the Commons
TO BE Closed on the 18th Instant.

DoDate on the Cr1Eu B1li IN the COMMONS
10 BE Closed on the 18th Instant.
loNDoN. June 1O-In the Commons this
eveBiug Dir. Smith moved the resolution
previously announced requesting that at 10
.. 10. on the 18th instant the chairman
shall forthwith put the question on any
motion, amendment or proposal touching
the clause OF the crimes bill then under
discussion. then on the clause
.Itself and finally on each remain
ing clause. He argued that the step
was forced upon the Government by con-
tinued Instructions. 1t was absolutely
necessary for the dignity and efficiency of
the House that deliberate attempts TO pre-
vent the progress of business should be de-
lea ed. 1t was now in the fourth month of
the session, and practically nothing had
been done. The whole course OF legisia-
fion bad been stopped. The Government
desired due consideration should be given
the rights Of the minority and respect
shown for the traditions of liberty aud
~freedom attached to the institutions of the
country [derisiye Parnellite laughter,
but it was undoubtedly the duty of
without q parallel in the history
of PaIh iment to call upon
4. the House 10 take measures to prevent the
minority from setting at defiance the con-
trolling power of the maj ority. 1t was
impossible for the Government represent
Of the minority. The Government might
be displaced by an adverse vote, then it
would be hard TO appeal 10 the country;
but while sustained Dy the majority OF the
House, they must carry on the business OF
the country. Debates over the crimes bill
had become a travesty, bringing ridicule,
disgrace and contempt upon Parliament.
He appealed to the House to support the
Government and restore order in the pro-
ceedings ICheersl.
Mr.. Gladstone said longer notice
should be gwen of this impor-
tant motion. The present state Of
Parliament has caused intense dlssatisfac-
ton throughout the country, but the posi-.
lion hs6 been brought about by the Gov
eminent themselves. Cries of Hear"
t'Hear!'l They had been pursuing the
false and evil policy OF coercion without
justification. as pleaded on former occa-
sion They had disregarded all the usages
and traditions of Parliament In the con-
duct of a measure which they had, under
the name of the crimes bill. introduced.
The measure was directed against 2 CON bi-
nation apart from crime. "Heir."
t'HeAr!'l He would suggest to the Gov
eminent that the rational mode to exPe-
diIe the bill would be to make it
temporary instead OF permanent, and to
strike our all provisions touching combi-
, nation apart from crime, assuring Irish
tenants of the same protection in respect
to their land strikes as given English arti-
sans in labor strikes ICheers. Ccies of
fNO"l. If the Government rejected that
Temeoy and had no other to propose, the
offensive character of the bill would be
retained IN full force. He did not wish to
create difficulty by offering opposition
which he knew would be inef ectual. He
would, therefore, content himself with
protesting against the course now proposed.
Mr.. PARSELL's AMENDMENT REJE TED.
Mr.. PsrneI said be could not understand
the faulty of the Government rushing
blinofold along the road which they had
already seen would lead to the greatest
disorder in Ireland. The Government
tion-" ASS matter of fact the Irish members
had not lifted their voices against any
measure exeepthe coercion bill, which they
were bound to resist to the utmost. The
cry Of obstruction was not genuine when
raised by men who did not desire to ad-
vance the public business. Let the Gov
eminent proceed with the real business of
the nation. instead of wasting time over
the crimes bill and applying it to a nation
where crime was admittedly at a mini
mum.
He concluded by moving an amendment
that the House decline TO sanction the res
olution limiting the freedom of debate and
assailing the rights OF the minorities.
ICheeTs
Sir William Vernon Harcourt warned
the Government that their proposal might
be used By a future Government as a
rule bill in fortnight; that
other measures might be forced
through IN the same way. Imagine, he
said, some government proposing church
establishment bill, urging that as every
thing for and against discs. ablishment had
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bill should be taken this day week. Was
the Conservative government, in its insane
passion for coercion, going to set this
precedent IN abnegation of every principle
the Tory party ever contended for?
Mr.. Goschen, Chancellor of the Elk.
chequer, said the preceding speaker might
amuse the House, but he would not de-
Seive the country. The Government made
no attempt to stop discussion on the impor-
| fant clauses of the bill. Parliament and
the country had enough of this unlimited
discussion. 1t was necessary now to put
an end to Il.
Several Parnellites continued the dis
-cussioD.
! Mr.. Smith moved cloture, which was
.carried-1S4 to I67.
Mr.. ParnelPs amendment was rejected
301 to ISL.
There is no chance ro8 of discussing the
original motion.
complete motion was carried under cloture
-245 to g3-amid cheers and counter
cheers
Mr.. Smith then proposed to postpone
further dIscu ssion of the bill in committee
Till Monday.
Mr.. Hesly asked that discussion Of the
bill be proceeded with on Saturday, but
Mr.. Smith said be was unable to accept
Mr.. Healy's suggestion, because it would
be unfair 10 the officers of the House.
/. Mr.. Chance denounced the Government
for depriYIng the ParDellites of a portion
of the available time for debate in order
that the ministers could attend the naval
revieW.
When the land bill reaches the Com.
mons Mr. RUSSELL in behalf of the Ulster
farmers will oppose the bankruptcy
clause.
Mr.. Conybeare in supporting Mr.. Healy
was commenting on the humorous talent
OF Mr.. Smith, when the latter appealed to
the chair.
The Chsirmaa-I must say the whole
tone of this debate has been a disgrace To
the House. Loud and prolonged cheers.
Mr.. Conybeare was about to continue