The Indiana State sentinel. [volume] (Indianapolis) 1868-1895, 1887-04-20
The Irish Leader Denoulces the Forged Let
ter Of the Times.
Re Declares Hs Has Fad Nc Completely With
AssSsslns.
n. DEBATE On ths Crimes Act Fall Of Intense
AerlmOny.
Gladstone Makes an Eloquent Speech
The Bill Passes to It's Second
Reading.
IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Debate Resumed on the Crimes Act
The Healy Matter.

Debate Resumed on the Crimes Act
The HeaIy Matter.
LoNDoN, April IS.-Lord George HamiI-
ton, First Lord of the Admiralty, explained
in the Commons this afternoon how it
happened that on the occasion of theQueens
arrival at Cannes the salute of the French
feet was not returned. The Duke OF Ed
inburg'sh flagship was undergoing repairs,
and the vessel which the Duke was using
temporarily as flag-shiP, happened not to
be provided with saluting guns The mat
ter has been explained to the French ad-
miral, and he is perfectly satisfied with
The reasons for the apparent incivility.
Ar. Sexton asked whether the Govern
ment would consent to rescind the suspen-
sion CT Mr.. Hesly.
". II. Smith, the First Lord OF the
Treasury, replied for the Government that
the duty il had to discharge on Friday
night was most disagreeable The Govern
ment was sorry 1t was forced to ask that
Mr.. Healy be named for transgressing the
orders Of the House. 1t would be utterly
out OF the question, however, when no
apology had been given for this breach of
the decencies of debate, to resclnd his sus-
pension. No motion TO that effect could
be entertained without the general concur
renee OF the House.
Mr.. Sexton inquired if it was competent
for him TO move the resembling of Mr..
Healy's suspension.
Speaker Pell replied that no motion
would be competent unless it appeared on
the papers of the House.
Mr.. Sexton said, in the absence of Mr..
Healy, that be was authorized for him to
say that If Major Saunderson withdrew
the offensive charges, to which Mr.. HeaIy's
language was in reply, Mr.. Healy would
withdraw the expressions deemed by the
House offensive.
Jacob Bright, Liberal, and brother of
John Bright, asked why it was when two
members Of the House committed the
same offense one was suspended while the
other was net.
The Speaker said in ordinary circum-
stances ne would decline to answer that
question, or any question implying his
action not impartial, but in the present
circumstances he would explain in the
second instance, in which a breach of the
rules Of the House had been committed
(that of SextOnl an apology followed the
withdrawal Of the expression causing the
breach.
Mr.. Sexton moved that Mr.. Healy be
heard at the bar of the House.
The Speaker declared it could not be
done.
Mr.. Sexton asked Major Saunderson to
withdraw his assertions regarding Mr..
Healy which exesperated him into making
the responses for which he was suspended.
Mr.. Ssunderson remaining silent, Mr..
Gladstone put TO him the direct question
whether he was prepared TO render the
House any assistance by withdrawal OF
his offensive expressions. Conservative
cries of NO, no. Don't, DON'T
Msjor SauDderson said he never alluded
70 Mr.. Healy directly or indirectly, be-
cause be felt, as regards Mr.. Healy, tnat he
was unable to substantiate the charges 50
es to bring conviction to the minds Of the
mem hers of the House Cries of Hear,
hear"
The matter was then dropped.
Subsequently Mr.. Sexton, in resuming
the debate on the Irish crimes act amend
ment bill, said Major Saunderson charged
him with direct completely in crime. If
the accusations were well founded why
did the Irish NicerOy approve his present
appointment as High Sheriff of Dublin.
His name, as a member of the league, had
been linked with that of Sheridan, the in
Tincible, but Sheridan was never q member
of the Executive Council of the Land
League. Did Major Saunderson, in point
ing 10 him (Sexton) mean in reality to en-
barrass Colonel King Harman. against
whom the Major recently unsuceessfully
competed for the new Government
Office OF Parliamentary L oder Secre-
tsry for Ireland? TParnellite cheers
Sheridan and Colonel Hing Harman
gether. Egan, also treasurer of the old
Land League, was at one time the intimate
friend of Colonel King Harman. Cheers
They were fellow members of the Council
OF the Home Rule League. Not only that,
bat Egan wrote for the Colonel his political
address TO the electors. Laughter.1 If
past association with men charged with
crime meant completely in that crime,
which side OF the House was the deepest in
assassination? Was it not manifestly an
absurdity for Major Saunderson to accuse
the executive of the Land League of know
ing men who were murderers because their
names were mentioned in connection with
the Pbenix Park affairs? He (Sexton)
never learned of any fact or any
thing that had been proved which
would warrant him in changing his opin-
ion. He always entertained that Egan
and those associated with him were inno-
cent of the malignant chargeg brought
against them. fCries, Hear" Hear"
Major Gaunderson's attack was both mean
and cowardly. 1t did not contain direct,
explicit charges, but was composed of in
situations founded on scsndalous rumors,
and when exposed to the light OF
day not rag of those scandal
Gus fsbricGtions would hold together; not
one OF them would remain, whether they
took the shape of a simple lie, or that of
manifest. clumsy and malignant forgery.
PaTnell1te cheers Whatever shape they
might henceforth take the speaker would
pay no attention to them. The only way
10 argue with the sort of people who made
such attacks was to horsewhip them or
take them before the law. 1t was hardly
worthy to take the former course, and in
the present state OF the English public
feeling action at law would be farce if an
Irishnan were the plaintiff.
In referring to the DILL under consider
alton, Mr.. Sexton said the measure threat
ered the extinction of the Irish National
League. He would remind the House that
the League was aided by the prelates and
clergy of the Catholic Church and strug-
gled 70 maintain the moral law, yet this
League, so supported, was stigmatized as a
conspiracy maintained by criminals aud
dynamiters. The bill itself was the gross
est kind Of an attempt at violation of
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