The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1887-11-04

OF the room is of the piainest character. and the
floors are bare except for two small aud worn
rugs, which appear just like pateh IN the
center. A uninviting room and apart
ments can scarcely be fancied, but it was all
forgotten the charm OF the presence or the
owner There Is peculiar attraction IN
ee ,h sbo 1na pr1esbood Which is nos
less appreciated and admired by Protestants
5han by Catholics DO not know when have
spent hour more full of interest. instruction
aG6 intellectual enjoyment than that with this
dear, lovely old man. He is within month or
Two of four score; but, while his figure is very
Ipare, his face wan. and the wrinkles on 1t deep
indeed, the glorious soul and mind which GOD
cave him beam with an unspeakable 1uster. He
looked straight and steadily in the eyes as
he talked in earnest. gentle tones. and it was
long after left before the brighter and purer
atmosphere which he diffused faded. Naturally,
our talk ran upon English, Irish and American
politics, and TO some extent upon church mat
ters.
The Cardinal evinced accurate knowledge of
American affairs. He admires our form of gov
eminent, but thinks its administration could be
improved if we had fewer elections and longer
terms OF Office. He taxes much interest in the
proposition for the assembling Of a Catholic
congress of EnRlish-speaking people, and said
he had just received letter from Bishop Ire
land in regard TO that matter. L asked the
Cardinal about the progress of Catholicism Ia
England. He said il was most gratifying; that
it was not SO much in comparative point or
numbers as in material progress and influence.
The church now stood on happy basis IN Eng
eideration by government and people as
any other denomination. The Church
of England did not exercise attempt TO exer-
else any direct influence on legislation or pol
itics but Of course its patronage controlled
votes He showed me from his window splen-
did site, covering four acres, which he secured
sone time since for the erection of grand
cathedral in London. He said he should not at
his advanced time of life attempt to begin the
work of building this cathedral; that he must
leave for his successor. In speaking OF English
ha All
were better satisfied with the structure OF their
government and its institutions than those or
Great Britain. In no government in the world
was there such a degree of absolute per-
ponal liberty SO in Great Britain. One never
knew there was any law until he ran against It.
Scotland and England were completely fused In
identity of interest. Il was different with Ire
and, because of the different treatment That
unhappy island has been ruled by England for
more than three centuries by force alone. lie
was under Henry VIII that the policy was in
lugurated which had made and kept Ireland
iisaffected. Had it not been for this ireland
would have been as devoted and as loyal to the
English crown as Scotland. He was an En-
Rlishman to the backbone, but hs knew and
loved the Irish peoplei more true more
loyal and o noble race never existed.
They could be ruled with an uplifted thumb
when kindly and justly dealt with. but
they never would bow to force and wrong
He had often been asked about boy
lotters and moonshiners, and SO on.
he believed that injustice always developed the
worst passions OF men. and bogcotters and
Proper and just land laws be considered to be
the essential. element for the tranquiizing OF
ireland, and one feature must be the require
ment of absentee landlords to return or part
with their estates. There were several big cor
porations in London which owned vast tracts of
land in Ireland This manifestly wrong
and one OF the first things to be remedied was
that these lands should go into the possession of
those whose labor gave them all the value they
possess. The Cardinal said he had never been
much enamored with the name of Irish Parlia-
nentn In his view the legislative body to be
treated for Ireland should not be one with the
prercgatives of a Parliament as commonly
understood. bat a chamber which shoald have
fhe control of legislation affecting local matters
pnly. I said to him had found no sentiment
worth speaking of in London in favor of Irish
rome rule, and inquired what he thought about
The prospects. He replied that London was in
ensely aristocratic, intensely welded TO custom,
md therefore opposed to change. But it was
Tot so in the provinces The feeling in favor OF
acme rule was growing rapidly every day in the
country, and he had the strongest belief 1t would
eventually be strong enough to control both
houses of Parliament and force justice to be
done the Irish. He could not venture to predict
when this day would come, but he hoped to see