New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1886-04-14

ton when even All the criminal laws revised
such a revolution would not be merely
political, but would also be social one
Even II the laws for Ireland were made
here the execution OF those laws would be entrusted to
revolutionized executive. Loud opposition chcersI
Further England would be responsible TO foreign coun-
tries for Ireland II the latter caused any breach OF
neutrality by neglect OF municipal laws nhctou aa"
age on other countries. England might have a"ar on
her hands while Ireland would not contribute" penny
toward the expenses OF the war $500
II an Alabama" " escaped from irciana Vi an ~
man eplisted TO succor q Roman Catholic country IN
war on the Continent. England would Dc Responsible
while the Irish executive over which the Enssh "ouu
have no control would alone be to blame Cospraors'
Nibsts and dynamiters might flock to Dublin Cries OF
oh Oh and cheersl 1t would be dif1tult task to
close Ireland against dynamite allies from the other
aide of the Atlantic. In behalf OF the Irish
loyalists he protested against their ABANDON
ment. Countries Inundated by defeat had seen
portion OF their subjects relying on their honor handed
their but for Nation in the plenitudo
OF power hand its loyal adherents was an act
never recorded in the annals OF history lCheers
The speaker admitted that Ireland required special
legislation but he necessity for heroic measured
central political body in Dublin would sap the founda
tions Of local life no would build in Ire
land o system of government through local and
municipal bodies than establish central bcdy.
which must from the essence Of It's nature
be called coercion, and said there would be no repres
sion If there crime. He could not foresee any
outbreak OF crime. The United States had had dlin
Guilty twenty years ago and Europe had advised the
North that could not manage the Sonth lfthe United
States had accepted that opinion there would now be
two nations OF Americans instead OF one.
II they wero listen the voice Of America now-not
a unanimous voice. because many Americans thought 1t
madness to concede Home Rule-then the United King
dom would become two nations instead of one Cavour
said that disruption OF the bonds unit
ing the British Islands would be hateful
criminal enterprise II would he hateful and crini-
nal IOppositon cheersl The responsibility for weak
eDing those now rested with the Premier and his fol-
lowers. Those resisting tho breakup Of the Empire
close up their ranks and shoulder to shoulder re-
sist the bill. Enthusiastic cheerng.l
Joseph Arch UIadicaD sad he had no fear whatever
the consequences Of the adoption of the measure II
Parliament feared to do Justice 10 Ireland, 1t WAS I'M
worthy Of the confidence of the country
WHAT sIR MICHAEL HICKs-BEACH SAID.
Sir Michael Hicks-Bcach declared il was no light mat
ter that at time when other countries were consodat-
ing their forces the English colonies seek ng TO
draw to the mother country Parliament
was invited to split up the. kernel aroand which
the Empire was formed. Opposition Cheers There
was nothing in the state OF the rela-
tons between ENGLAND and Ireland that war
rant"d the proposed change there in any part
of the country. vestige OF popular opinion IN It's
favor. Did the Parncltes themselves reg ud tue bill as
a settlement OF the question:
william o. Bren-" Every man OF them"
"Then" asked the speaker, " why have not the Par
nellItes said so e.
Mr.. Dillon" They have 90 up to say so hall dozen
times"
AT any rate" replied Sir Michael, "mcmbers speak
ing Ireland intimate that the bill requires
much Amendment"
Continuing he said that even the Premer's proposed
afa nd phe OF
measure as final settlement. These checks when
the Irish Parliament in full power.
would be speedily disreGardei and got rid
Of The bill would make the life Of the loyalists In Ire
land inloerabe. Its general effect wOud be to make
England ridiculous In the of mankind GRIPPING her
power of comforting the benefits of practical legislation
upon a sister country.
LOUDLY CHEERING THE PREMIER.
Mr.. Gladstone, amid cheers from tho Ministerial
benches aud the Parnellitcs, rose to re-
ply He denied that the safeguards
provided IN the bill were dictater by dist;ust Of
the Irish peope the contrary they inserted in
consequence Of the mistrust that WAS felt. no doubt
honestly by others 1t said that there had been
formulated demand from ireland; but the Government
recognized the wisdom OF yielding TO reason what 1t
would be far better not to have to yield to necessity
He then recapitulatcd the conditions he had IN
his opening speech laid down the guard
ing principles OF the proposed legislation.
adding that lie had had intention to put
the control of the customs aud excise and
the absence OF Irish members from the
House vital principles OF the bill.
Since then it had suggested that the Irish members
might come with limited powers with diminished
numbers, and Mr. whi,bresd had wisely remarked tnat
an interval OF absence from the House would be
sary oY the part OF tho Irish members and Tor purely
Irish purposes. Mr.. Gladstone could not
think II would right for the Government TO take
upon themselves at this stage of the Dill TO close the
door ON the consideration of these matters.
Replying to Mr GOschen, MI. Gladstone referring to
what had himself sad In reference to the Expressed
wishes Irish representatives. reminded the House
he hal coupled his remarks a 10 the necessity OF
considering those wishes with the condition that what
might done should be consistent with the Integrity
and safety Of the Empire The House had been asked
in what country Ireland could rent manifesto
be produced the reply to that her query
to what country coult show state OF rel 'tions
had led to that manifesto The Irish pbople had
borne with exemplary patience suerinSs OF the most
erevous character and it TO he supposed that such
things could have been without leaving any trace
mark the character Of the people
Having defended and justified his previous references
to analogies for what he proposed in tho OF
Sweden and Norway ard Austria aud Hungary Mr..
Gladstone proceeded To that the fundamental fear
of those who had attacked the Home Rule measure
the Irish people would necessarily 10 wrong that
the administration OF the country would necessarily be
changed lCries OF Hear! hear!"l- In regard to Mr..
Goschen's rema ks concerning Ane fica Mr Glads
said IT that the Northern States had carried
their point. But" he added when they had tho South
at their feet what did they do They gave every
Southern state a measure OF autonomy. [LOud Par
nelte cheers Such measure about to ask for
Ireland"
SATISFYING IRISH DEMANDS.
In regard TO the questions 10 the power of veto
proposed by the he that limta-
ton TO trat propositions; and In reference 10 the
income tax that would necessarily be separate in Ire
land as IL would be in England. OF the bill generally lie
said il oposed to give the Irish eople reasonable
satisfaction OF their demands without initiating the
example set by former Government In the Case OF
America The wants OF ireland TO De considered in
relation to the fact whether 1t would he harmful to
Others that they should be granted. He rdiculed the