New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1886-04-10
REPLYING TO GLADSTONE.
OBJECTIONS TO HIS IRISH PLAN.
CHAMBERLAIN AND HARRINGTON AGAINST
HOME RULE.

THE FORMER INTERRUPTED BY THE PREMIER
FAULTS OF THE sCHEME-wHAr THE "hiu
LEADER sAYs-A SPEECH BY
JOHN MORLpY.
JoxDox Aprll 9-The House of Commons
as AGAIN crowded TO night, Among the visitors were
the Dukes OF Connaught and Cambridge ana many peers
and Although the large attendance 'onsn'
howed the intense interest that taken In the progress
ot the debate on the Irish BILL the public excitement
over the subject has somewhat abated. MI GLADSTONE
WAS heartily cneered when he arose to intimate tha' tue
debate would be continued until Monday, when ne nopo1
to close the discussion .. r,on
,ising 70 resume the debate. He said that no i
I''"s ~ - q, making personal explanation than
with the object entering upon uet"ilo" u' -,
the speech OF Mr.. Gladstone when he was " -,
enc Government he told Mr. Gladstone that he ud "o
,h,uk il possible to reconcile separate ra'i'""o "
,,,,1ir as demanded by the IRISH members with 'no
a,ous Of full guarantee for the security OF the En-
,tre and Mr.. Gladstone informed MN ha' al he "
,hen was an independent inquiry iuto the suo
,o., OF the government OF Heia"' "
wrote letter to Mr.. 1ia"s'o"o
January 3 10 which he explained that ne oouiu no'
consent TO the establishment of separate laramcn'n
Dnhlin aud II on that understanding 'n'' n'
r,ed TO ion the Cabinet He had presumed from "h"
Nv Gladstone told HIN that the whole Cabinet "ouu
- ~ - an nc stan IN consu tation TO build scheme
=, unme Rule not involving separation IL was "o'
uptjl March Is that Mr. Gladstone startled tho '"o"
by lriuging forward scheme involving tue ISSUE "a
sl5O00000O In consols.
SOME ANGRY WORDS WITH THE PREMIER
4, ,,,. ,o,n, Nv Gladstone, interrrpting. reminded
II, Camberlaiu that ne had not received permission oi
Her Majesiys Government to reveal the iauu p'Op.
Mr. Chamberlain. continuing. said tha' he "o"'"
,rve his e1 1panation. He did not resign On '"o -
,,rcbase proposals alone. but on the "n"io 'o
Can hs asked how could no explain his position HIS
lands were tied conservative cheersI lie askeu
a. he might be permitted TO read his letter 10 MI "u
stone -, ...uoo, Mr.
,nnn.rlan and Mr. Gladstone. The latter
-, that he could not go beyond the
limits Of the permission gwen Mr.. ChamoTr'N'a,
~ ,hersuron complained that his explanation would
no lame and Incomplete He wonid never no "
20 iustify his conduct to the House and country
MT Chamberlain took four prhcpal ooJ'0'
g.. ,hs scheme for tho government OF ircIahu'
The first was 10 the proposal 10 e1ciuae '"0
Irish members from Westminster Ills seconu o'9'''
a to renouncng as proposed. the exercise OF INC risn'
m mineral tayalion In tue third place he op]ec'eu "
IN. surrender OF appoin mcnts OF judges anu n"
,,as and finally he objected to tho supreme anthorV
gwen to the Irish Parliament IN matters NOT espe'"S
excluded from Its authority Since he had ieit 'he Cav
me- Id baen made by retaining
- ovor the customs and excise duties but
, nrop,sal now appeared utterly inconsistent win lne
runcple that taxation and representation '"ouu so W.
getner lie further objected to any scneme 'h"' a'u
,ha a
excessive risk as such project could only DC iooAea
~ a. q hr,e .o modify the hostility OF Irish land
owners to Home Rule. lie did not believe that the
Irish people would agree to he deprived OF all VOICE III "
control of and policies In when 'hey "eioi"y
,esed aud he asserted that Ireland was beinS a7Keu
to occupy degrading position. which the people "ou
,sver accents Further the contribution which lreiahd
was to be called pay to the Imperial treasury "
fixed By the scheme and could not be Increased even "
case the United Kingdom should be placed IN pas'on
OF the dIrest peril, aud where 'nen' ho "S' ~ ~
tegriy of the Emptref
POINTING oUT OBJ rCTioNs TO THE sChEMr'
The financial question. be continued. divided
Itself into two parts. Ihe Euelish taxpayer "ou"
obrct to any additional burden Deme lnio""
ou MIN TO make good Irish deficiencies, ana Tue Its"
,navers # there we're deficiency in the budget o"-
ing 10 failure OF the excise and cds'oms ou'' "o"u
called on to pay taxes. falling wh'ch 'ne &
mont y,oud be Obliged to reiutiae the oohea''o"' e
scn,ne would bo accepted grudgingly' ana III 'u' o
, ,.o,r. ,here woud be an attempt to revise or
.l,.r, AS for himself, rather than face the future
agitation which would he certain to preV pc'"ee" 'ne
two countries rather face the distractions ana
tr.,,n cou,pica,ions which would arise by having
ona.-iudrpendcnt Government, ne wouu No.o ioi
,cptratio pare aud simple. Loud cheers
The opponents Of the Governments schelhe "e'o
told that the only alternative was coercion lha' was
nt mis- alternative The sgrarian disconteht had arisen
chiefly through evctIons by landlorda he "ouiu Po-
no.e to deprive landlords OF the power to
eyict for SIX months, guaranteeing them "A
months rent, the land being security ior 'he su'"
advanced during this periods peace commission com
posed of III ners Of every section represented III fdra
ment could conduct an exhaustive inquiry INTO the u
ouesuon Beside this. he looked for solution o the
Home Rule in the direction OF feder"uon' lie
WIS not he declared. pedsntcaly pedsed
10 his former proposals for ha'ioh"l
eouncil Under federation lreisnu "ouiu
reu,in an integral portion OF the Empire The princ'
pe OF federation had been successful III Italy, germany
and America 1t would he asserted MAINTAIN 'ho
In,per,a unity and tho time satisfy the desires
of The IRISH people for local seif-sovernment
Mr. Chalnberaius speech was received Win mafkeu
coidGess -. .
sir John Lubbock QiberaD said he believed that II the
bill was passed at all II would be against the WISHES III
the great majority OF the people of the country. Ihe
buv.s entirely opposed the expressed BY the
Premier in hs Midlothian speeches and It's result wouli
De the dismembermeDt OF the Empire
REMARKS OF THE MARQUIS OF HARRINGTON.
The Marquis Of Harrington rose to speak at 10 p m'
and was loudly cheered. 1t required ne saio' 10 pro-
longed examination or the scheme submitted ias' sn'
with so much eloquence and ability TO say tha' 'he
project for establishing future relations between
his country and ireland one which 1t would DC
absolutely impossible for them to make themselves
parties 10. ICheers The distinguishing feature o the
act creation of one sovereign legisat-
ure, which tho sole legislative body for the
Kingdoms OF Great Britain and Ireland. and IL was
q kingdom thus legislatively united that was
meant when they spoke Of the United Kingio
OF Great Britain and Ireland lCheersI The country,
he said had had no sufficient warning-it had had no
warning at all-thst any proposals OF the magnitude
and va,pess OF those which were explained last night
were 10 be considered in the present less
h., ,hsv were to form the subject for cpnsdera-
uon. GCheersl The House of Commons had no moral
tight 10 initiate legislation Of which the con-
stlueDcies had not been previously informed
The result of the last election was not AisoRe'ner
vba. had been expected Tho present triumph OF the
Liberal Marty WAS not complete had been antici'
psed and II 1t had known that the hrst WORK o
The new Parliament and Liberl MlnlsTy