The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1886-06-02
Still Discussing the Measure
in London.
MIS- FoLsoM's MOVEMENTS
From the Orient-KnIghts OF Labor
Doings-On the Diamond
miscellaneous Psrs.
The Home Rule.

LoxDoE. June 1.-The debate on the
home rule bill in the House OF Com
mons was resumed this afternoon.
by Joseph Chamberlain. When he
arose he was greeted with derisive
cheers and bowls. from Irish members.
he denied the assertion made by Dryer
Gray, that he (Chamberiain) was the
author of the article on national coun-
ellis published in the .Fortlightiy
Rfriew. GRAY knew very well who
the author was and that the de-
tails of the article were supplied
from Irish sources. . myself possess. I"
said the speaker, ''incontrovertlble
and incnntestible proof that eminent
Nationalist leaders approved the prin-
ciple OF the national counseIs-" Here the
Parnellites uttered loud bowls, and
cried ont. Names. names !" and tie
Conservatives and Wings cheered
Chamberlain. The denunciation and
cheering Quickly became an uproar,
which lasted several minutes. Cham
Chamberlain calmly folde.s his arms,
and smiling, waited for the tumult to
subside, but reused to mention the
ma res called for.
RI suming, he at gre at length explained
why ne deemed Glads ones concessions
inadequate. He did not, he continued,
propose a reply to any Of the per-
sonal references made towards
himself during the course Of the debate.
They were perhaps amusing, but below
the level OF the great constitutional
discussion Of questions frought with the
most momentous consequences. Those
who oppose the home rule measure be-
lieve il would prove the most mischiev-
Gus in its effect upon Ireland and post
rome for long time satisfactory
settlement Of the Irish question (Cries,
of Hear } There had been in some LIB
eral quarters a desire TO minimize the
Importance of the division on the second
reading Of the bill. The members had
been told the bill was already dead. The
speaker did not believe Gladstone would
accept the vote on the second reading.
Ireland ought to have Parliament OF
her own. Hadsgovernment submitted q
mere resolution affirming the principle
Of legislative autonomy for Ireland, he
(Chamberlain) could have voted for IL.
because il. would not be inconsistent
either with the creation OF a Chamber
like the Grattan Parliament or the
establishment OF legislative counsel
such as the speaker suggested, and
which ere now received support OF the
Nationalis.s. (Cries from Parnellites,
names. names.'D The governments
proposal, however, had a stronger
meaning than that OF mere abstract
resolution in that IL pledged the house to
the support OF the principle OF the home
rule bill. from which Gladstone said lie
would never depart. The speaker and
those who thought with him, since
Gladstone's speech at the foreign Office.
that home rule might be so remodelled
that they could vote for il, had been
disapp iuted. Gladstone since practic-
ally stated in the House OF Commons
that If the bill passed its second reading
II would be suspended until October and
then be reintroduced. unaitered except
in minor details. concerning the feature
of Irish representation at Westminster.
Those who agreed with the speaker, did
not wish to reduce Ireland 70 the con-
dition OF q self-governing colony, and
the changes promised by Gladstone
would not meet the view OF those who
maintained this position, Under the
amended proposals OF the Premier
the Irish members might be invited TO
take A part in the discussion and
NOh ON lluPtllaA C 49, 49, N-SsN
OF the Russian and Egyptian wars. In
the question relating 70 such matters
constantly arising, and In order 70 take
effective part in the discussion Of the
Sc tlement, the Irish members would
REQUIRE 20 be constantly present at
Westminster. 1t would be impossible
70 make the House OF Commons
q fnctuating body, as il wonld
be under Gladstone's proposals.
1t would be equally unwise to
a subordinate and not coordinate
BODY. fCheers.) What they wanted
was 10 prevent irish members from be
sbmine omnipotent either at Westmin-
ster or Dublin. CHEERS and counter
cbeers.) As 70 Ulster. that very inn
porfant matter (Psrneliite laughterl.
the speaker would not gointo the ques-
ton OF armed resistance.