Los Angeles daily herald. [microfilm reel] (Los Angeles [Calif.]) 1884-1890, 1886-06-08

eucOtANc tuaH efor kcue0isI. Ii hcocpt'
ing the bill we accept all honorable OBJ.
| legations and pledge ourselves for the
Irish people. as far as we can pledge
ourselves (derisive cheers and laughter),
that the powers given shall not be
abused (Parnellite cheers): to devote all
Of the energy, ability and influence we
may have with our people to prevent
them from abusing the powers entrusted
to them (cheers); that If the abuses do
take place, the imperial Parliament may
intervene in cases of grave Importance.
You have the power and authority OF
force II abuses are perpetrated. You
have the remedy in your own hands. In
a case Of this kind you would have
Lust the same authority you would
have whether this bill has been brought
forward or not. This we recognize. l
said this on the introduction of the bill.
Element. That believed the Irish peo-
pie would do so. l will say no more
upon this subject, but my words have
been singularly justified. [Parnellite
cheers. We had this measure accepted
lby all tue leaders of every section OF ma
tional feeling in Ireland and also out
side of Ireland in Amerisa. and in every
country where Irish people are found.
| [Cheers.1 We have not heard single
voice raised against the bill by an Irish
man." [Cheers and cries of "Ohr'l
Sir Michael Hicks Beach said that the
bill failed to represent the views of the
Liberal party. 1t was the production of
one man, who was the highest in this
kingdom, but still practically alone, the
| remainder of the Liberal leaders intend
ing to vote against the bill.
Mr.. Gladstone followed. In rising he
was loudly cheered. He expressed his
pleasure at having listened to the mas
terly exposition cannot call it less
Of the member from Cork Loud cheers
and opposition laughter | feel strong
conviction that the speeches couched in a
tone marked alike by sound statesman
ship and far seeing moderation will
never Ifail to produce lasting effect
upon the minds and convictions OF the
people of England and Scotland. The
bill had been delayed to give time to
employ persuasion, Intimidation and
abuse, and now the issue was confused.
The votes members were asked to give
would either be a mischievous farce or
would cast discredit upon the present
system OF legislation for Ireland. With
out expressing an opinion, he asked what
should replace it.
"Mr. Beach declares, thought do not
see that it has much TO do with the mat
ter, that this ia o bill OF one man. Well,
| am amazed to hear my opponents speak
as il they had been at my elbow all day
every day throughout the winter.
(Cheers.) Mr.. Chamberlain could only
speak within compass of his knowledge,
and If he said it was bill Of one man
he would know no more about it than a
number of the opposition. Then the
right honorable gentleman says that.
excepting one point, customs and excise
duties. no change was made in the bill
after 1t was first submitted to the cab
met. He has no means OF knowing
that, IL it were true, and it happens to
!, ntirely untrue. loud laughter) This
is matter OF great importance; though
1t was one that had even been seen by
Mr.. Chamberlain. Mr.. Chamberlain
took exception to certain provisions OF
the bill without being acquaint-
ed with the whole case. That
is fact; Mr.. Beach is entirely
wrong, also, In this one of his
simple facts. Then Mr. Beach, says that
l announced to the House that the bill
was not to. be reconstructed. | said
nothing of the kind. [Cries Of "Oh"
s0h" and cheers. announced that |
had not promised that it should be re-
constructed. After what Mr.. Beach
has said and the acquaintance he has
shown with the history of the bill, and
after all that was said by Mr.. Goshen,
must again refer to the exact position in
which some members stand in regard to
the bill. In the first place, take it to
be absolutely beyond dispute upon broad,
high parliamentary grounds, that that
which is to be voted upon tonight is
the principle OF the bill as distinct from
particular bills +" [Cheers.I
Now, sir, | want to say one word on
the subject OF Irish loyalists, and in de-
bates OF this kind we have at times to
use words and expressions that it is well
should be little better understood than
they are. When / hear a speech from
Mr.. Johnston and some others it always
appears to me that he is under the pious
conviction that loyalty is innate in Irish
Protestants and disloyalty innate in some
other persons. [Laughterl do be-
| lieve that Mr.. Johnston is under the
| impression that in all times, in long
generations Of Irish history, there has
| been this difference between persons
who are Protestants and those who are
not Professionals. tCheers.l Well, it is
charge which has been made and
ought to be met. Has Mr.. Johnston in
CURED what was the state of loyalty in
| ireland at the close of the eighteenth
century, as regards Roman Catholics
They had then hardly been into politi.
cal life. In his time Dean Swift spoke
OF their incapacity for politics and it
would be absurd to speak of them then
as being either loyal or disloyal. 1t is
quite true that in constituting legisla-
ton in Ireland we do as we did when
aud Australia, viz: devolve an i'm
portant portion of power. We devolved
it with that view in Canada and | hope
we shall do 1t in Ireland, not TO estab-
lish partial and nominal, but real and
practical independent management of
her own affairs. Cheers. That is the
right which our opponents object to, and
that is the thing we desire and hope and
mean to do. We have found it easy to
reconcile the rights Of Canada with the
rights Of the Imperial Parliament. 1t
will be found not more difficult to
reconcile the rights Of Ireland with
those of the Imperial Government.
THE BILL DEFEATED.
A division was called for, and
the vote was 81 for the meas.
ure and BAL against it. The ex-
citement during the division has not
been parallaled in the history OF the
| House Of Commons. Lord Randolph
Churchill first discovered that the gov
eminent was defeated, and by waving
his hat and indulging in joyful demon
STATIONS aroused the enthusiasm of the
members of the opposition who,
rising, waved their hats and
cheered again and again. When
| the figures were announced the noise
was deafening. A Parnellite challenged
the vote. Conner called for cheers for
the grand old man, which were given
with gusto by the Government sup
porters. Sir VIM. Harcourt and his
companions rose and bowed to Glad.
stone, who was somewhat embarrassed.
The Parnellites called for groans for
| Chamberlain, which were given with
| shouts Of '.Traitorl" and "Jndas lscar-
iotl" Chamberlain merely laughed. When
order was restored Gladstone rose
| and while trembling moved an adjourn
ment until Thursday. Healy and
O'Connor challenged the vote saying
they would not offer any opposition, but
wished to express their repugnance Of
the conduct Of many members OF Glad
stones party. During the hubbub,
Gladstone, wearing haggard look, left
the House, cheered by his supporters.
New Cardinals.
ROME, June AT the Papal Con-
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