Telegram-herald., 1886-11-22
Rss cess. FlaArss. Reply

ln tlt NIFtr-4llsI talfc4 YESTERDAY
morning aeA Clarrs fllhref reviewed
81, Sir Topper discourse on the Scrip
tare proofs of endless punishment Fol-
lowing IS an oufnae or what be SAID
Sic .hsf 10 Hr-t rs Is cause seeueta p te
t', utis cD --i saf
lIa-. irateft. st..
lido ust asles with hy brother that The
Bible IS tle iuIalIl1.s Narl ~ t9t. irltA
IS inaIitle tal auerrser or uy uAoluso
ever spoken IS lfs Nsf1 ti 0p3. shais ifffa.
Blt Nr llpief aiA noI ciam lnf-iiu tY
t1r lhe Bible where t-e llScltl Hnc state.
menf = made that Ihr earth Is naf or that
by divine command iAe slr stood stli Tor
Is iaY Least ~ al e1u Dee assert ihe ln-
f4iIiniHtv 1f the trcou " here Moses and
Joshua are oommautei o. butcher meu.
women and children IN captured cities
Effn if endless punishment were taught 10
the Blole. should regard that teaching as
rheerror OF those who have made tAe book
But ID j. not fal. lr ilrir. Formerly TIE
word .ht.l Was Vue erry citadel ui lts de-
irulers. blt since fhe revise. version has
laAen he'll oIt OF the English Old Tesla
uent and Out oi hall 81
tAe pas,.ses where ia occurred
in the New making o doubtful in othefs
-Nr upper significantly let's that class of
proofs severely aloue. bui he taxes % tNo
other positions First ilat tie scriptures
teach Tie doctrine oi endless punishment hy
Implication. aud secondly ln explicit pas
sa.,es Nj fluArer examined tie second
position first '~II messages. lie said are
selected 90 prove endless punishment They
nrc those ln which tlr word endless occurs.
rhe creek word - translated is aI'n.
Finding tlis word translated everlasting or
eternal IN serenity instances. in ali of which
q -if
Is applied 20 the eternal God. the
blessed lie and tie gospel, Mr. Iupper
concludes that il must mean strict eternity
i'm fhe remairiuc uve. But he has over.
looked thirty-six other cases y here the same
word IS rendered world and in seven Of
which fhat world rlp. ls salc tp have az end
This destroys the Bument that 0int ai-
ways means ercfll.t ns Of eternal. In
these instances it should bc rendered age
instead 0f world and % means long period
of ume.' Autnrflue- were cfel 10
sh0w tnat the s.suidc4nc- Of the word IS
determined av tnc Subjects ln which IL is
appued When applied 10 God or the
Blessed ife il means strict eternity since
these are eterna IN their nature. but wneu
applied 10 the Mosaic and Gospel dispense
lions or 10 punishment Il mas
limited meaning because these
are limited in their nature.
The passage defining punishment is IN Heb.
-. q 10, where il Is specially said 10 Oe cor
recuve The word rendered everlasting can
not therefore be depended on to prove end
less punishment. II n0l, j. not necessarily
endless then repetition can not make II so
But IL Is claimed that endless punishment
Is an inference running ali through the
Bible All the implication there is IN
the Bible comes from these English
words bell and endless plnl -menl
The orthodox church l-st bases The reader
bv THESE English words. anu then Xpe-ts
him to trd endless misery taught poe the
Bible. Iut 'perlshing IS more likely 10
mean aunihilaii0n than endless suffering,
and in fact it means moral starvation ior
want of spiritual bread Mr Upper S
strongest case j. Judas. All untortu-
nate one for him. Considered as a
great criminal who had betrayed lis master,
had Jesus believed in endless punishment
there was no more CONSPICUOUS opportunity
for him TO declare II. ct he used the
milder expression. Ii had been good for
that man if he had not been born Mr..
Tupper objects 10 Judas Salvation
ton after cycles upon cycles
OF severe punishment Could
not Jesus forgive even q Judas ! could
not respect him if / thought otherwise.
Resides If any man can pass Orthodox
tests OF repentence Judas can. He id NOT
intend that harm should come to his Mas
ter. and when he saw it did ne Was
filed with remorse ani killed himself. 4
case Of genuine repentance. II Jesus hes
no, forgiven him ere this the world ha. en-
rrelv mistaken the character of the Naza-
rene and the import OF his teachings
In closing Mr. Fluhrer stated that Mr..
Tupper goes back into the middle ages,
because medieval poetry tits well MS med
ieval theology" The modern poets. writer's
and scientists have turned their backs upon
"the cruel dogma and within a generati on
a believer ia IL Will be pointed OCT as a
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