The Kenosha telegraph. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1860-1888, 1886-06-11
DEFEAT FOR HOME RULE.
Gladstone's Pet Measure Fails to
Pass to a Second Reading.
The House of Commons Rejects the Bill
by a Majority of Thirty Votes-Ex-
citing Scenes-Closing Speeches
of the Debate.
ERlN's HOPES BLASTED.

ERlN's HOPES BLASTED.
LONDON, June S.-The Government was
defeated by majority of 80 on the second
reading of the Home Rule bill. The vote
on the bill was 81 for the measure and
341 against it. Mr.. Gladstone moved an
adjournment until Thursday and the mo-
ton was adopted.
Mr.. Gladstone entered the House OF
Commons at 400 O'Clock yesterday after
noon and proceeded straight to his seat.
When his presence was noted he was
greeted with tremendous cheering The
Premier wore white rose in his lapel.
The House of Commons was crowded to
its utmost capacity at the hour of open
ing the session.
The excitement during division had no
parallel in the history OF the House OF
Commons. Lord Randolph Churchill first
discovered the Government was defeated,
and by waving his hat and indulging in
other joyful demonstrations aroused the
enthusiasm OF members of the Opposition.
again and again. When the figures were
announced the noise was deafening.
Parnelites challenged the vote. 0'Con-
nor called for cheers for the Grand Old
Man, which were given with a gusto by the
Government supporters. Sir William Har-
court and his companions rose and bowed
to Gladstone, who was somewhat embar-
raised. The Parnellites called for groans
for Chamberlain, which were given
with shouts of 'Traitor!" and
"Judas Iscariot!" Chamberlain merely
laughed. When order was restored
Gladstone rose, white and trembling, and
moved to adjourn until Thursday. Heaev
and O'ConnOr again challenged the vote
saying that they would not offer any OPP
position, but wished to express their re-
pugnance of the conduct of many men,
bers of Gladstone's party. During the
huhbub Gladstone, wearing a haggard
look, lett the House cheered by his sup
porters.
Mr.. Goschen, Liberal, opened the final
debate on the measure. His speech
throughout was q furious attack on the
bill. The BILL he said, was message OF
peace to Ireland which the Premier said
would be torn to pieces after the second
reading. Ii the bill passed a tremendous
struggle would beinauguratedb by the Cath
Ole clergy for the control of education in
Ireland. He did not believe the bill would
prove final settlement of the Irish diff
Guilty. Continuing, Mr.. Goschen said
The presence of the Irish members at
w estminister is Incompatible with a sep
arate Irish Parliament 1t may be impos-
sible to include Ulster in a Dublin Parlia-
of No No
The clauses relating to taxation and finance
are also inherent defects in the bill. Is the
Home-Rule bill inseparably tied up with
the Land Purchase scheme? / am entitled
to know whether, if the Home-Rule bill is
returned in the autumn, it will be accom-
panied by Land Purchase bill
Mr.. Goschen referred to the religious
difficulties sented by the measure. The
bill contained commercial and financial
legislative friction. The establishment of
a separate executive would lead to friction
and separa ton. Difficulties would arise
under the Foreign Enlistment act and in
cases like that OF the Alabama. The I'm
perial Parliament would be responsible for
the acts of the Irish executive, yet it would
be poweriess to control the executive. The
Canadian executive was now in trouble
with America. England was responsible
for Canada and had to settle the difficulty.
The Premier S friends had notcondescended
to reply to that argument.
Mr.. Parnell was the next speaker He
referred to recent outrages which have
taken placein Belfast Kerry and Munster,
and which grew out of religious differences
and of evictions, and said that while he
denounced these outrages he a,lso de-
nounced outrages in every part of Ireland,
whether occurring in Ulster or Kerry.
Continuing Mr.. Parnell said:
Mr.. Goschen spoke about the sovereign
ty OF Parliament. Upon this point l agree
upon the definition given by Bryce. We
know perfectly well, we have always known
since this bill was introduced, the diff
ference between a coordinate and sub
ordinate Parliament. We know that the
Legislature which the Premier wishes to
constitute is a subordinate Parliament
not like GTattan's, which was coequal Mr..
Gladstone 'Hearm ''Hearnl, arising out
manner as this Parliament, given
by the sovereign. Ministerial cheers.
We understand this perfectly well,
and we should have undoubted-
ly preferred, as l stated on the
introduction of the bill, as showing / could
not accept this as final settlement of the
question-we should have preferred
restitution of the Grattan Parliament 1t
would have been more in accord with the
sentiments of the Irish people, and senti-
ment goes a long way with people like
the Irish.
Il venture to express tho opinion that if
the Imperial Parliament had the constant
means of overseeing, as suggested by Mr..
Chamberlain, it would not have the same
success and would not be so acceptable to
the Irish people as the measure now pro-
posed. Indeed Mr.. Chamberlain's propos-
ais would, believe be miscellaneous, dan
gerous, and would prevent any settlement
being arrived at which would be satisfac-
tory to the Irish people
On the other hand, when we have as
sembled in our own chambers in Ireland
all the different sections of the Irish peo-
pie those causes and effects which al
ways arise will come into operation
again and lead to satisfactory results.
The result OF two orders working together
in the same chamber will enable
great questions to be settled on a basis of
compromise more or less satisfactory to all
parties. We understand perfectly well
that the Imperial Parliament has ultimate
supremacy and ultimate sovereignty. l
quite agree with Mr.. Gladstone, and think
it one of the most valuable parts of the bill
Il quite agree to that which Gladstone
offers, namely: The responsibility of main
tanning order in Ireland by the Irish Par
lament is the correct provision. which no
State could exist Without. Supremacy of
the Imperial Parliament, however will
not be affected by this if the Irish
party executes the power given it,
while in some cases it may be
rendered more effective than ever. In ac-
cepting the bill we accept the honorable
obligations and pledge ourselves for the
Irish people as far as we can pledge our
selves [derisive cheers and laughterl that
the powers given shall not be abused
[Parnellite cheersl to devote all the en-
ergy, ability and influence we may have
with our people to prevent them gfrom
abusing the powers intrusted to them;
that if abuses do take place the Imperial
Parliament may intervene in cases of
grave Importance. / say that, so far as
the Irish people can accept this bill, they
have accepted it without reserve as a
measure which may be considered final
settlement of the great question.
s. I leave the question of the sovereignty
of Parliament to go to another point which
Mr.. Goschen touched upon. He very fair
ly told US his fears as to the abuse of pow
er by the Irish priesthood regarding educa-
ton. Twill not say That, as Protestant
myself, if had not had abundant expert
ence of the feeling in Ireland, might not
perhaps be inclined to share his fear. But,
as it is, certainly have no6 such fear.
Mr.. Parnell opposed the plan OF giving
Ulster separate Legislature TO protect