New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1886-08-17
WHAT IRELAND DEMANDS
rurRE MUST ne A Statutory fARLlA'
1hh"" MENT IN DUBLIN.

ca,o.,ooacn,-Islt fair to ask what truth 'herss III
A.. .,.,emen,s circulated some time ago oy the Lo'o
AGENCIES as TO the object OF the recent Vls' Vi
c.. "a London during tic debate on the Home huio
bii ..or
corrcsponden,-The story WIS TO the effect tha' you"
xi,it was undertaken In consequence OF cer'''n ~
,on. from Rome aud that your object was 10 in
Parnen to consent to certain medihea'ions !" "' N
s,ope's ui ,,
r,. ,,,bhl.hop-They mentioned tho clause ex,iuu-
,, Iri.h ,nembers from Westminster. Now my 'is'
WAS pnrely personal affair, but. moreover !" '"'P
,h, "A regards that particular clause seVera ie"us
members OF the Irish party had already spoken upon '
anl their speeches they were OF one inna Oh 'o
roiut tneir view being that while they "ouu p,o
.,ha, for the preseut tho Irish memoers should DO
allowed T. devote their individual attention anu
o tho responsbe work OF starting our new irisa raa
mani they wOnld not In any way endanSer lhe Pass'"h
o,ur Glaastone's bill by holding out tor that point
Iohp Dillon. T. VI. Iealy, William OBren ana James
D. Kelly had expressed themselves In this sense 'uu
,rtc,d may add think, Mr. Parnen himself Al All
events he had openly concurred In tho cxpress'on "a
hs eea sues 50 that this story OF their aegeh unei
ence ON the point between their vi ews and mine was
stupid fabrication directly at variance with the iae's
then public record. - -
CorrospOndent-May ask your Peiso"'' "'
The point IA tho abstracti
Tho Archbishop-As to the exclusion OF the irish
members from Westminster the Unionist opposi'ou W
f.el on mauiesty u pEeNopeO' - N''
Gladstone had proposed 10 retain the lrsh menoers d.
ve.,ninster even In reduced numbers the OIL
would have been opposed on that score '"o
only difference being that its enemies would thcn
have mad Ia their favor more than one unansweapie
aryuuent such IS those put forward By Mr. Gladstone.
for manestly AS he expressed H. 1t would pass the VIII
o,,n "a aeyiso satisfactory working scheme embrac-
ing within II those two discOrdant eements-a Parla-
mont for Irish alirs hero at home ana at the same
tiuo the presence OF number OF lrish memocrs AZ
Westminster the power OF influencing English ana
Scotch domestic policy by turning members out OF once
on Issues Of confidence confidence skif uy raised
on imperial questions
Corespondent-t then Mr.. Gladstone was right in his
original project this point how. Your Grace Is tue
dcuty 10 be got over 1t may not be easy 10 induee
Lngs anl scotch voters TO consent 10 the "P
OF their Imperial Parliament
The ArchhishOp-Oa this point. without comnIt'nH
myself all the views forward In Its matters oi de
tail would refer you to the admirable artcle oy Dr'
Dale OF Birmingham. In the June number OF me con-
temporary Recer To my mind the plan there suggested
contains practically all the elements OF thoroughly
satisfactory settlement of the whole question. IL
seems strange that Dr. Dac's article has rot AT
tracted attention. may say lose no opportunity
that presents itself OF calling attention to it and the re-
tut has been marvellousy strong concurrence
Of opinion favorable TO its proposals.
Corresponlcnt-OD what lines does 1t proceed
The Archbshop-On lines that would be generally de-
scrbed federal but there Is some danger OF serious
mseoncepon arising from the application to 1t OF such
word as federation. Dr. Dale takes Mr. Gladstones
bil as his standing point lie seems to accept unre-
ssryedy all the provisions Of that bill setting up
statutory Parliament in Dublin and fixing the extent OF
Its legislative and Administrative powers. Ihis then
being so he would set up in London corresponding
statutory Parliament with corresponding powers
for the local affairs OF Great Britain, leaving
1t an open question whether there should
be but one such statutory Parliament for the local
aUa Of England,
aud Wales, or two three such statutory Para-
nents As the people of England. Scotland and Wales
might themselves deem most advisable.
Correspondent--Then DR.. Dale would propose no
change a regards the Imperial Parliament
The Archbishop-None whatever, except 10 confne lts
sphere OF action to imperial affairs.
Correspondent-But what about the objection that
the establishment of any scheme OF imperial
federation supposes the existence OF dis
tnct bodies some TO be federated, and
then quire the lapse OF considerable time to consult
fully for tho various interests to be dealt with
Tho Archbishop Dr. Dale objects to having his
scheme described scheme for federation. The ap
pcation Of such term s technically inaccurate and
misleading. Federation Is process by which two or
states previously Independent for purposes
combine into union having central authority TO deal
with the common Of the various States thus
bound together and thus In the scheme Of federation
nothing practically be done In the way Of central
common legislation and the whole stem must hang in
separate pieces until the FEDERAL soneIne mas
been constructed n all its parts and III its application to
all the States to which 1t to apply. But in
the process Is maBesty the reverse of federation We
have TO begin al the other end, and We can to
tain extent, work pecemeal. With US the supreme
central or imperial authority already exists 1t
question: then. Of federally combining many distinct
legislative bodies so as TO form by combination
tal body Is the OF this is tho question
fsettng up so many national legislatures by delega
ing TO them the exercise OF certain authority which
already exists In the supreme Imperial Parliament at
Westminster
Correspondent-Then. your Grace, the adoption OF DIR.
DAes piaa would not Involve pOsponement Of the sct
Element Of the Irish question
ine ArehDishop-Not for a single session. Let Mr.
oaas'ones OIL be taken as the starting point in the
introduction Of practically uniform system OF local
Parliament for the three Kingdoms and the completion
oi 'he scheme would speedily follow for as Dr. Dale
shrewdy observes for one session the English aud
soo'cn peoples saw the Irish members coming
e" "eorRes channel 10 settle Education bills for Eng
iand ana scotland after they been passing Educa-
Hoh DhIs OF their own In Dublin with which England
'O"d not incrfere If for one season they saw Irish
members entering into alliance with Mr. Gladstone
" ord sasouFy TO defeat the will the English and
0" REPRESENTATIVES on questions affecting their
uonesue interests there would follow an agitation
curing the next autumn for Home Rule bul for Graz.
Britain that lao Ministry would be able 10 re.ist
Corsespondent-In such settlement then tho n.o,,.
Engand would have much to gain themselves in ad.
oiion TO the satisfaction OF being parties to the uom.
Auie settlement Of the ancient feud between them and
the people of Irelaudi ""N
All ~ ~o''hop-Undoubtedy, and mustnot forget TO
a''enton to tue important point that such
"oud In peculiar way terminate the mower
~ tue honse OF Lords over the domas,o aear. n, go,
Britain and Ireland ~ " "ica'
Correspondent-Tnat o...,,
powerfully to the political sympsthIe, Of the Eng,,."
Norkingmen. PA'"'es Vi sne- EhgHsh
IheArchbishop-ItwO would. The late s.o,,ons
y, LIBERAL abstentons The adoption
o scheme 'acn as Dr. Dass always Of course on .ha
oi'Ho uhfesorved adoption in it Of Mr. Glad
stones measure as the starting point wond oNa~e.
ALL The prospect OF gaining such boon o.. eHanee