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mem were not even satisfied with the
GENT or Ireland. Besides this general constitu-
tional objection, there existed regret that there
would cease to be a symbocal representation of
the unity of the empire Through the absence Of
Irish members. Now, history has shown
us that in foreign, or what he prefers to
call oversee affairs. the Irish people do
not stand in the same relation as the people Of
England and Scotland Is it wonder that in q
country with woes so great, and whose hope has
so often been doomed to Disappointment, the mind
OF the people should be confined TO the position
OF their own country2 An essential principle to
the Irish people has become the control of their
own affairs, Still, the bill provides that Ire-
land shall not be excluded from
for recall of the representatives
in both houses of the Irish Parliament before
the Parliament can proceed to the alteration Of
q statute upon which the two countries do not
agree. Another clause provides that on certain
conditions, the Irish assembly may vote sums Of
money for purposes excluded from its ordinary
cognizauce. He trusted that should Great Brit
ain be involved in great war, when Ireland
would be exposed to the common danger, the
Irish assembly would respond to message
from the crown by voting money to prosecute
the war. Opposition laughter. Though
abiding in the principle that the Irish
members should not sit in the i'm
perial Parliament, the government was
willing to meet the difficulty by providing that
when it was proposed to alter the taxation Of
Ireland relating to the customs and excise du-
ties. Irish members would be enabled to appear
In Parliament and share in the debate. The
government was also willing to appoint joint
commission from the English and Irish Parlia-
ments, which would meet from time to time to
consider questions of imperial or common inter-
est, No great question, such as succession to the
crown, ought to fall under the discussion of this
secondary authority, but many questions, such
as treaties of commerce, might require direct
communication between both PariameIts He
would, therefore propose. on behalf of the gov
ernment, some plan of this kind. He proceeded
to explain that the government remained unde-
cided as to the conditions under which the Irish
members or an Irish commission should appear
in the imperial Parliament. The government
did not consider this to be a vital point In his
opinion, if the Irshsmembers came back in any
numbers, it would be necessary to devise new
system of election. He would certainly have no
jealousy of the Irish members.
If the opponents of the bill had an alternative
policy. what was ita If Lord Randolph Curchill
should undertake the task of settling Ireland,
what did he mean to do2 Was his plan that
proposed by the Loyaists in Belfast last NoTem-
bert The English government might be daring,
but not so daring as to undertake the
reconstruction of the Irish government with
out touching the legislative difficulties
If Lord Harrington had plan, let him de-
clare it. He appealed to Lord Harrington
to state his solution of the Irish problem. They
had reached crisis in the history of the nation.
The path of boldness was the only path of safety.
lCheers All men ought to know their own
mind, and ought to tell it. The fate of Ireland
could not be cast into the lottery of politics
[Parnellite cheers. He hai been told
that he was steering ireland to cer-
tain ruin Let the opponents show way
to escape. Let Lord Harrington. in moving
the rejection Of the bill, trace visible pal
pable road through the darkness He closed by
saying: 1.-THE members of the House of Com
mons have before them a great opportunity to
close strife of seven hundred years-aye Of
knitting by bonds irmer and higher in character
than heretofore the hearts and affections of the
Irish people, and of cementing the noble fabric
of the British nation Loud and prolonged
cheering.
Mr.. Gladstone was followed by Lord Harting-
ton, who, rising was greeted with cheers.
He asked if Mr. Parnel had ever stopped short
of asking for complete independence and the
restoration of Ireland to her place among the
nations of the world. He Harrington feared
that the Premier had settled the matter without
mature consideration. With reference to
submitting an alternative measure. he
failed to remember single instance
in which Mr.. Gladstone had taken the
course he asked the dissentients to take
who were unprepared to suggest in what direc-
ton the measure before the House could be inn
mediately revised. He believed that the conces-
sion made tonight would now meet the dmauds
of Mr.. Chamberlain. In conclusion, he moved
that the bill be read six months hence
The debate was ad. .ourned until Thursday.
The Premier's speech evoked no notable
heard throughout in comparative silence,
even the Parnellies showing no enthusiasm.
AS an oratorical effort the speech was
quiet unequal to that in which Mr.. Gladstone IL
troduced the bill. The vasueness of his language
on the powers the bill proposed to confer on the
Anglo-Irish commission gave general dissatis-
facJicn and failed to conciliate the Chamberlain
Radicals.
Messrs. Chamberlain and Goschen and Lord
Harrington held conference in the lobby
vote
all Sides including the government. The
supporters of the bill are very discon-
tented at the prospect of the length of the
debate under Mr. Gladstone's refusal to give il
day-to-day consideration. 1t is the opinion Of
the lobby of the House that if defeated Mr.
Gladstone will resign and not ask for q dissolu-
tion of Parliament, and that the Queen will
summon Lord Harrington to form new Cabi-
net.
The Post says it believes that Mr. Gladstone
has proposed to modify his home rule bill so as
to retain forty-6ve Irish representatives at
Westminster but that Mr.. Chamberlain has
obdurately refused the concession.
The Standard says it thinks that Mr. Glad
stone during the debate on the second reading
of the homerule bill, will announce decision
on the part of the government to leave the ques-
ton of the retention of Irish members in the
Imperial Parliament open to the opinion of the
House Of Commons for settlement
1t is ruTered in London that three Cabinet
Ministers, whose names mentioned, will re-
sist every proposed modification of the home
rule bill originally introduced. 1t is said that
these Ministers gave only conditional assent to
even the consideration of the proposed amend
ments
The News has no mention in to-day's issue Of
any proposed modification of Mr.. Gladstone's
Irish measures and this silence is construed as
an official intimation that notifications are
contemplated, even for consideration.
The st. James Gazette denounces the action
of the meeting at the Academy of Music in New
York, last Friday, in adopting the resolutions
commencing Mr.. Gladstone's home-rule policy
The Gazette says the originators of the meeting
were ''rebels and outlaws and its supporters
aliens. There exists" says the paper. "a good
deal of genuine American sympathy for the work
of breaking up the British empire. Will this
sympathy cease when Mr.. Parnel receives his
present demand, and asks for more after home