The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1886-09-21

| health.
| Lord Randolph Churchill announced that
| the government would, at the next session, in
troduce till to facilitate the transfer of land,
| reducing the legal costs. This announcement
| was received with cheers
| Sir Michael Hicks Beach, Chief Secretary for
| Ireland, replying to interrogatory by Mr.
Parnell, said that since the 18th of June one
| thousand families, comprising 5.3I1 persons,
had been evcted in ireland; of these, 600
families. including 1926 persons had been re-
| admitted to former premises as care-takers.
Mr.. ParneN, in moving the second reading OF
| his land bill. explained the provisions of his
measure, and said that the BILL with the excep-
tion OF Its second clause, was designed for tenn
| porary operation. In bringing this bill in. he
| said he Intended to provide what he hoped
| would temporarily serve the present emergency
He spoke of the prevailing depression of prices.
| and deplored the fact that there were no visible
| signs or their recovery; indeed. he said, there
| were unmistakable signs that they were rapidly
falling lower, carrying with them large increase
OF the distress which is now felt throughout Ire
| land. Mr.. Parnell did not ask expect the
House to adopt the bill as whole at this time,
but only asked that it would act upon
tEas part in regard to the rents
due next November. Until the
House is able to act upon the report of the royal
commission said he, 1--WE will abstain entirely
from prejudicing the governments proposals
Owing TO the great depression of prices since the
judicial rents were fixed, ard the fact that the
potato blight has afflicted the farmers to an
alarming extent, it behooves the House to apply
a temporary remedy for their relief and not
wait until the royal commission has made it's
report, when the government can take action in
the premises 1t would be impossible for the
government to act upon the commissions report
before November. 1887, and this will be too late"
Mr. Parnell made further proposal that the
tenant deposit half the amount of rent due,
leaving the courts to determine much
there would be remainining for the ten
ant to pay and the landlord to lose. Under
the arrears act of 1882, the tenants deposited
third, tho landlord lost third and the state ad
vanced the remainder. The only practical diff
ference it makes is that the state shall not be
loser I'm regard to the Suspension of evic
tions" said the sreaker," the bill again closely
follows the arrears act. which worked justly and
satisfactorily to all In regard to leaseholders,
they have already waited long enough and will
not be party to the horrible injustice of per-
petually excluding them from the benefits of the
act Of 1892"
Mr. Parnell disputed the accuracy of Mr.
Beach's statement concerning the number of
evictions which had been enforced in Ireland
since June 13. The quarter ending with the
present month he said, would show a higher
average OF evctons than any quarter since the
year 1851
Mr.. Parnell spoke An hour and twenty min
utes, and was frequently interrupted by cheers.
At the conclusion of Mr.. Parnell's speech Mr.
John George Gibson member for Liverpool,
arose, and on behalf of the government, said
that after the declarations already made it
would be impossible to undertake any new con-
structive legislation this session. He declared
that Mr.. ParnelIs measure was which no
government could accept, and contended that the
state of farming in Ireland did not show any ne
cessity for the bill.
Mr.. Gladstone, who was loudly cheered, said
he was sorry to find, in the course of the debate
no signs of an approximation of IN agreement
between the two sides of the House The tone
of the speeches from the government side was
that of uncompromisnR opposition to any meas
ure for the relief of the Irish tenants Whether
that attitude was justified ought to
decide their vote on the second
reading of the bill How was it that
of the numerous members representing
farming cons stituencies in Ireland not one was
inclined to move the rejection of the bill? He
supposed that none, however fervent their allie
glance to the government. could be induced to do
So. Efhsers.l To the question. When was the
inability of Irish tenants to pay rent first discov
eredp' he replied: When the government first
advised the Queen to issue commission to in
quire whether the fall in the prices of produce
affected the rent paying capacity of the
tenants" 1t was too late to argue that it
was impossible to distinguish between those who
were unable and those who were disinclined to
pay, because Parliament had more than once
recognized that it was possible to draw an act
with such distinction. In regard to the conteu-
tion that tenants can obtain relief through the
operation of Ashbournes act, only az in
significant number could avail themselves
of its benefits, and such multiplication
of the relations between debtor and creditor be-
tween tenants and state, as would be involved
in the insufficient extension of that act, would
on economical grounds, meet with determined
opposition from large section of the House.
lCheers. The issue of commission afforded |
sufficient grounds for Parliament to epdeavor to
relieve tenants who. upon examination,
should be found unable to pay their
rents, and the tact of the issue of the
commission implied that there were such ten
ants, whom the government thereby promises to
relieve But such relief was to be given only
after long inquiry, and after the framing and
passing of the necessary bill, all of which would
involve much delay. In the meantime, law
existed under which the penalties of eviction
might be inflicted upon large body of men,
who the government admitted, were not unwill-
ing, but were unable, to pay their
rents. 1t would be monstrous injustice on the
part of Parliament to allow such law to be put
in motion. Cheers Therefore he should sup
port the bill, although he himself would have
framed it differently. The bill, however, could
be altered in committee. Continuing, Mr.. Glad
stone said the government admitted that the
judicial rents were too high.
Here he was interrupted by cries of MOI
'"Then," he asked, "what did Lord Salisbury
mean when he aaid that the difference between
just rents and judicial rents must be made up by
the slater
Lord Randolph Churchi-Lord Salisbury
never said anything of the kind.
Mr.. Gladstone-The noble lord is bold in his
assertions. I do not know whether there is any
limit to that boldness. but / see no ground to
recede from my statement [Cheers Mr.. Glad
stone said he lad never committed himself
as to rents of lease holders, and therefore could
hold himself open to consider what was said on
the subject by the Nationalists and Conserva-
tives, retaining full liberty to consider tho best
form in which the measure should ultimately
appear. He felt bound. in honor and justice, to
vote for the second reading of the hill, which,
apart from general policy, he believed was abb
solutely nesessary in consequence of an import
ant proceeding of the government by which they
were committed to propositions of the deepest
mportance-proposition involving the country
in consequences the magnitude of which, per-
haps none of them was fully capable of realiz-
ing. lCheers.
Mr.. Matthews, in advising the House to reject