Richmond dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1884-1903, 1886-06-08
HOME-RULE.
THE GOVERNMENT DEFEATED ON THE
SECOND READING OF THE BILL.
Gosehen's Speech Against and ParneiPs
For the Measure-The Vote
Sal to oil.

10y ADtlOs a W thC DA'FeeNN--A
LoNDoY, June AT noon to-day 100
seats had been secured by " hating for
the closing debate onfhe bome-ruie bill to-
night. Chamberlam's reply TO LabOuchereS
appeal TO him 10 abstain from voting 10.
night in order 10 save the principle OF
Gladstone's bill has fayOrably affected the
DissIdenis, who now claim that they expect
a majority Of Il against the bill.
II the Government j. defeated on the
homo -rule bill tonight It l. understood thai
the House Of Commons Will be adjourned
until Thursday next, and that the Cabinet
will De summoned 10 meet at noon to-nor-
row 70 decide upon the advisability OF coun-
selling the Queen TO dissolve Parliament.
Gladstone entered the House Of Commons
at 4:55 this afternoon, and proceeded
straight 10 bis scat. When his presence
vas noticed he was greeted with trench
dous cheering. The Premier wore white
rose in his lapel.
The House Of Commons was crowded to
IFS utmost capacity At the hour OF opening
the session.
Gladstone, replying 10 a question on pa
per. said the Government was unable 70
promise TO incoTl crate the measures Tor
hcmc-Tule government in England, Wales,
and Scotland in the revised Irish home.ruie
bill when it was brought IN during the
autumn session in the event Of its passing
its second reading now.
Jesse Ceilings has withdrawn from the
National Liberal federation. lie repu-
dates the principle Of the council Of fede-
ration OF absolute obedience 10 Gladstone
as the future stlndlrd OF Liberalism
Right Hon. George J. Goscben (Liber1l)
resumed the debate on the hOme-rule bill.
He said the bill was said TO he message OF
peace 10 Ireland, which tie Premier .aid
would be torn 10 fragments forthwith after
is second reading. The sovereignty OF
the imperial Parliament depended on
clauses which IL was highly probable the
majority OF the House would never consent
to. II the bill passed tremendous
struggle would be inaugurated by
the Catholic clergy OF Ireland for the
control Of education in that c0un-
try. Regarding the question whether
The bin wOuld prove final settlement OF
the Irish difficulty or lead TO eventual sepA'
Iafiou. Mr.. Goschrn said he did not thlna
il would prove y finality. That would d"-
uepd entirely on the assurances gwen b.
the IRISH members. The Premier III one
time was supposed 10 have given pledge
10 ltfOHsiIUfA liiA' Oliis UtiA Nv 1AfTI'i NNNiF
Indignantly reDudiated that assumption.
Gladstone unltrrupnngl That Is =
groS, error. W hat the gentleman thn..
looked like Indignation was my eager re-
pud,siiOn OF the cool statement that had
resolved 10 reconstruct the bill"
Mr.. Goschen. resuming. said be saw the
distinction, but was unable b see how the
Premier could avoid the difficulty. The
fs,fnrfpaI that Inn hill
not 10 be reconstructed. lCries 81 "Oh
OH" and cheers, in the midst Of which
Gladstone expressed signs OF dissent J
Were the Government going TO stand hy
their lin or not Loud opposition cheers ;
This state Of doubt came from voting, no.
on the bill, but on tue explanations If-'
giytn NJ the Foreign Once. and aDpi.jci
aid explained away on the Friday follow
inc. Further explanations 10 the an.Tcc
were made on the ensuing Monday. itIld
also been elected in various letter, W'ilrh
lad passed b'twocn tie Premier AMI Ia
followers thai reconstruction OF the b'i.
was the basis on which many members
would unite il voting with tlc Govern
meUt on a measure UhiCh every ono ad-
mittcd Was tie most important ever sub
ni;tcd 10 Parliament. The opponents ~
the I'm viii have achieved a result II lh'
bill is Withdrawn after II passed IS second
reading. II II passes that stage the frc-
ujcr il row more anXious 70 learn from hi'
SUPPORT r what they viii auiaoriz him 2"
give than he l. TO insist upon wHa; the Phi-
nclHcs " III accept. lCnoer..l HIS tone 8,
different. II had been shown that the Bti'
,isb P?rliament was not inclined 10 consider
fhe PaTnelliips CictaiOrs. loud cheers.
"During tie recess" said Mr. Goschen,
81 heard one, now Minister u :he Grown.
say he was certain that Parneil would be
dictator IN the coming session. thins,
however. that Parncl's followers Will nov
acknowledge that there are limits wheI1
thew see many who are prepared % grant
some legislative autonomy 10 Ireland would
draw q line. - The British Democracy
are asked 10 do Justice to ireland (Parneli-
tie cheersl, but they will require to See
Justice done, and should have thought th'
Parnellites would have used their great w
fuence and vast organization 10 discover
the perpetratOrs Of those vile Outragfs
Opposition cheers.l | don't lay t5ey car
90 il. The matter may have pa-se.
leyOnd their power We have
rieht, however. to pause when we 2.
asked 10 place the protection d I've ~
ireland in the hands Of neH and unirleI
Executive, aud at the same Tine rehu4ii'i
control OF tie police. (Parnei'lte cries o.
I "NOl"1 Continuing, Mr.. Go,cbcn SAL,
4 the presence 81 Irish members II West
/ minister is incompatible with 4 sepsrit'
Irish Parliament. II will be Impossible L
/ include Ulster in the Dublin Parli9
/ mtnt. IPamclhte cries OF " NO. no! ~
| The clauses relating 10 taxation and financ
/ we're also. continued Mr.. GoSchen. NIB eren
! detects I'm The bill. lie asked II the home
( rule bill was useparably tied up with ~
/ hnd.purchasO scheme. On. "a.
/ ard chcG,.} BE had seen son
| correspondence In which the Premi6
: stated that the subjects were lnScpa
/ rabie in the minds OF The Govern
! ucut. At the moment the word INSOFAR
! be did moi convey snythins clear lnt Der
! mite. and the speaker was entitled 10 kn"7
| whether II the homc-rule bill we've returned
/ I'm the autumn it would De- accompanied q.
a land-purch.se bill, Wher'tJ IL bad bee
said 10 be inseplTlbly tied. IL would ais
ike 20 know whether any ray OF light r.
! garding Ulster had penetrated the one
| mind oil the Government. " ere the men
| bef, Of the House 20 remain i<uoT'lt D,
| Whethcrthe Government intended 10 l%u'F
| listers earnest p,cadiI-s: lDyFc'iu1
| cheer, and lTi>h cries Of &c What Dl-'er'
..WhV, the same Ulster Nr. GO,c1c
said, "thal the Premier referred 10 whe
| ne introduced the bill lorposiio
cbctr..l No hope had beer rendered iha
clause - would be- dropped. and igi
meant the disappearance permancnui q
| Irish members from the imperial PJfli'
ment. The Premier had said al '1e BOT
eien Once that he saw way :
plan 10 adjust the difficulty, hu
be never said Nhat that plan wa. Il ID
House was TO hear il, Il was - b
| orlv before the conclusion Of debate, WA-i
tlev would not have time 20 carefully con
slider g. (Chcers.l This wa inpor'1n
a. the plan vas intended - affect vote
The Irish representation in the House
Commons led directly 10 The question u N
sovereignty OF Parliament, which, n NJ
DESTROYED. would be impaired and we1s
ened. TBey were told that there was POKE
OF tie first order in the Irish Pariiainen
He doubted whether they would ever hCl
more II tie first order. lie SAID thar IN
veto power existed, the constant exercise
which would induce intolerable fricnoi
and tie last state would be worse than "a
first. Until theS knew the Government
intention. REGARDING the laid biil IN
/ lister and what the FIRST order
power OF veto would involve. be ".
unable TO see what protection would
/ given 70 mmOrities. He did not believe III
Protestanis would b. prosecuted. lie b
| jpyed the Irish members were sincere
anxious to prevent tue clerical ascendant
a