New-York tribune., 1886-05-14
TIE IRISH AT WESTMINSTER.
IMPERIAL REPRESENTATION DEBATED.


xvw OBJECTIONS FROM THE LIBERAL FoRcEs-MR.
GLADSTONE AND THE SCOTTISH MEMBERS.
LONDON, May 13.-Further secesslons from
the Gladstone section of the Liberal party are reported
number of supporters of the Home Rule bill made
combined representation TO the Government WHIPS
urginy that Mr. Gladstone should announce before
division s taken that the bill passes the second rcau
ing he will consider the result of the division simple
affirmation of the principle of Home Ruie ana VIII
withdraw the bill and frame another measure LOT 'he
next session. 1t is expected the debate VIII DO con-
cInded on May 25 Numerous petitions have been pre-
sented TO Parliament against the DILL inciudhg ohc
signed by 10000 Loyalsts OF Cork.
II stated that Mr. Parnelrs retcence has causeu his
APPREHENSION to his views on the question vi III.
lection OF Irish representatives at Westminster '' Wv
nature and extent OF hs concessions. MI i"'"o.. ..
neves that Mr. IabOuchere's references 70 'no'o
az -. ~ -, .naech were mIsreportcd. Mr. Parncli VIII
.near in the course of the debate on the home o
Al convention to-day OF members OF ra'ii'no"' .'o
the Scotch burghs the supporters OF MI Oi""s'0
asked the Premier TO call meeting OF the wAoe i"oe"
Marty including the malcontents for conference MI
c,,as,one IN Al, interview with Mr.. 1ingworth, mem-
,r ~ Parliament sand he thought II would be pest 10
leave the disputed questions with the House hc saw
Ie chance that gathering Of the whole party "ouio
lead TO a reconciliation. ,.
The House of Commons was crowded this hiterhoo"
,corse of the debate on the bill H. CampbclBanner;
man War Secretary reply to Mr. Healy said that the
.,atemeut made by William Johnston, Loyalist memoer
for South Belfast that General Lord "oseieV hau oe
olarad that II Home Rule granted resnu anu ne
ordered to suppress an Ulster rebellion. he would
,osiy, and with 900 other British officers. join the
I1.ier rebels was an absurdy. The Secretary added
mat General Woseley authorized him formally to con-
tradic any statement that he General "oseleSl hau
ever alluded to the subject in any speech he had ever
uttered.
Mr. Gladstone. replying TO Sir Michael HICKS Beach,
n at he
mat the debate on the Home Rule bill should be from day
70 day beginning on Monday The Government wouio
moi take Friday for such debate, because John Moey
Chief Secretary Ireland would then take occasion TO
move second reading OF MS OIL realing u 'no p
chase and OF arms in Ireland
The debate the bill thcn resumed by SIT Henry
James ex Attorney General at present Liberal member
for Bury said lie only influenced by desire 10
arrive at right and just conclusion concerning Tue uesV
WAY to govern Ireland. lCres OF "Hear hear from
Nh Gladstone.l The Premier's scheme contained hve
conditions: the unity OF the Empires the supremacy OF
The Imperal Par lament safeguards for rights OF tho
Irish minority the unfolding OF social order. and the
nnal settlement OF the Irish question. But
the bill offered security whatever for the fulnlmeht
of these conditions because whatever Irish bill Eng
land might pass could be repealed next day oy the
Dublin Parliament. The speaker said he reproDated the
threat of the Ulster Loyats to resort to arms Every
one should discourage such threats But the Govern
uent had mentioned what dynamtters and assassihs
would do unless the bill was passed
Here Mr. Morley the speaker by stating that
what had been said that the dynamers ana assas-
,ins woulL be delighted if the bill rejected.
Sir Henry continuing. said the veto provision Ill MT
Gadstones bill inadequate to protect the Loyaist
minority because the judges and the police OF Ireland
would be the mnions of the majority. The minority
should not be thus deserted. [Cheers The speaker dd
not believe that the bill would prove final settlement
of the Irish question, but did believe that lishnen
would use it simply avantase ground Tor warfare
upon England to obtain eventually total separation
TCres OF "N No no !" from the Parnellites
In conclusion, Sir Henry said; owe have indeed now
to the parting OF tne roads as tne fTeniel say
Each neinIer must maze MS choice naVo ' maui aug
rhaos / hope the House Will maintain unhrohen the
Inion 1t at present exists between the three King
doms. lCheers
H. Campbell Bannerman, Secretary OF War, said he
did not believe that The Irish would exhibit al the wees
the rival for the reform of government In Ire
land had been to gs the M Pesm Dns e
the bill. The late Government had allowed Things
Ireland 3ad come to be despiscd He believed that the
majority OF the House favored the cardinal principe
Of he Bill II so he would ask what could he more de
effect that principle. lie declared that the Govern
t1nton OF Irish representatives. at Wesimnsler
Laughter from the Opposition benches. -, ,,, ..u.
l. g. Clarke Conservative, said that II the Dill Werere-
jected the would not soon be forgotten This ex-
preston Of opinion WAS greeted win significant Tar
Mr. Redmond denied that if the bill were enacted it
Would pace Irr land in the position or a colony
Mr. Dillon said that although he recognized the 1act
that the defective In some respects he was
ready TO accept ii settlement OF the question ana
wond ende.vOr honestly 10 aid In It's enforcement
IN amicablc spirit regards both England
and Ulster II impossible he continued, that mem
bers should that the NatOnssts were anxious 10
SIT at Westminster while the affairs OF Ireland were
gong to wreck and ruin. Irish cheers He appealed
10 those who agreed TO the principle OF Home Rule
although Dissenting from the provisions in the bill In
vovIng nrrepresentation OF Ireland in the I'm
perial Parliamcnt. not TO wreck the measure
on its seo1nd reading on q point OF detail
f. A. Icatham member for Huddersncld, Rcformer.
asked whether Mr. Parne. would accept the
bili as settlement Of the Irish question:
Mr.. Psrnel rose in n, his place o+o or, ana q
thai lie had unable to gather that idea from Mr.
PARCELS previous speeches. Mr.. Healy sprang 10 his
feet and turning to Mr. Parnol, excltedly shouted:
Tell hin ho is a llar" - ,,...
An uproar ensued. and Mr.. Healy resumed his seat
amid shouts OF "Order !" from all parts OF the House
The threatening attitude OF the Ulster Loyasts Is be
ginning to disturb Government 1t is stated that
many families preparing to quit the province Many
agents landlords resgning under the fear that
rebellion is certain
LONDON. May LITTLE Morning Post says that John
Morley had conference with several OF the ParDente
members OF the House of Commons and limited at the
necessity Of modifying the Home Rule bill IN order To
cOLciate Mr. Chamberlain. but he was unable to per-
suade them to changes In the measure.