Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1886-04-22

knights seemed to think that he {Go1id) was
responsible for all railroads; that the sun never
roads; He told them that he could not control
the Wabash; he had nothing to do with the
to make OF the Missouri Pacific. The under
standing then was that if they had any trouble
With the Missouri Pacific they should not strike,
He (GouldD then went away on his yacht, think
ing all was right. This spring There occurred
1t had no connection with the Missouri Pacific,
cilic. The Texas Pacific was in the hands Of re-
the difficulty with the Texas Pacific that the
men struck on the Missouri Pacific, and not on
this the m
with the company.
THE EFFECT OF THE STRIKE
The witness then read kilograms that had
passed between him and Mr.. Hoxie and Mr..
Powderly, which have been published He then
went on to explain the effect Of the strike. or
their employees he said the Knights of Labor
We're the under employees, whose absence from
their posts would not be felt by the company
operations OF the road would not have been in
tertered with for single moment. But they
did not do this They took forcibie possession Of
They took possession OF the cities which formed
the terminals Of the road. They said no freight
shall 5s moved and exercised power that the
reason given for this strike by the strikers was
the dismissal OF Hall by the Texas Pacific
,a Inc witness, attorney then read Mr. aoxie's
published before.
Mr.. Gould was very particular in trying to
cognize that the Missouri Pacific was now hav-
Ing any trouble with its employees, thus repudi-
ating all the strikers.
In answer TO question as to the cause Of
Halls removal Mr.. Gould had Receiver Browns
statement read.
Mr.. Gould. proceeding with his statement,
do hrOu II
to the 10th of March. Then when the company
tried to move their trains the engines were dis
abled, the men driven from the cars, the trains
uncoupled and some Of the company's men
were shot.
POSITION OF COWS. MARMADUKE AND MARTIN
Then Gov. Marmaduke and Gov. Martin in
vestigated the trouble and tried, without sue
cess, to effect settlement They decided that
the railroad was In the right. The statement of
the two governors was read.
Mr.. GoULD's VERSION OF THE NEW YORK IN
TERVIEW.
Mr.. Gould Aid that 1t was known that you
could lead horse to water, but could not make
him drink. The oompany's shops were open to
When Mr.. Mcdowell FIRST wrote witness said he
had told him that he, as an Individual, would
meet Mr. Powderly and consult with him. He
purpose Of seeing them was to brace them up
Mr.. Powderly's secret circular was SO different
In Its sentiment from the action Of the strikers
that he thought all that was needed was to
brace him up. When he met Mr.. Powderly
that gentleman told him that he was satisfied
out cause, and he had mind to forfeit their
charter. To this, Mr.. Gould said he replied
that since MIR: Powderiy had been 50 frank
dispatch to Mr.. Hoxie, which has been so much
talked OF as the agreement OF arbitration.
Witness then read the telegram and said that
1t the English language was such that more
could be made out Oft than was In it, then he
was not responsible. Neither Mr.. Mcdowell
public this telegram until Z hsa been p 10 n
the hands Of Mr.. Hoxie. But the morning
after their interview the knights changed their
plans and had the telegram published, together
with an order for the men to go to work and
the statement that Mr.. Gould had agreed to
their terms. This was done without authority,
witness said, and was unfair. he wrote letter
to Mr.. Powderly as soon as he saw the rublica-
ton, calling his attention to the misinterpre-
tatiOn Of his (GOuld's) attitude.
Witness then read from leport OF his con.
versation with Mr.. Powderly, in which Mr.
Gould is quoted as saying, In reply to a ques-
telegram in which M. Gould said he had al mo mo
objections to arbitration, that he favored arbi-
trsti0n t Is principle that the whole matter
give him the further power to arbitrate.
WHAT MADE MR.. GOULD MAD.
The witness denied that there had been any
secret communication between him and Mr..
Hoxie with relation to the settlement He got
Mr.. Hoxie's reply to his telegram before he
lished. "This," said the witness, ''irritated me.
/ was-I might say mad-I was mad"
ton with Mr.. Powderly, in which he (witness)
complained of the way the previous interview
had been misrepresented. In this Interview
ment to the press Witness had read the dis
patches and read the proclamation of congrat-
pns IT, looks xhe5 ss he
read with marked emphasis and considerable
feeling the very eloquent appeal for justice that
Jay Gould is denounced in forced terms as an
oppressor. These points Mr.. Gould read very
impressively, with 2 ring OF irony in his voice.
"This," he said, els the response the three
orders OF the Knights of Labor made to our con-
tinuing the bond OF fellowship which We held
out"
He then said that the company had resumed
traffic, and that was why, he said, the company
did not come within the resolution authorizing
the congressional investigation.
TO PUSH THE STRIKE.
Mr.. Powderly's last appeal TO Mr.. Gould and
Mr.. Gould's reply was read.
The examination of Mr.. Gould was conducted
by Mr.. Burnes, Of Mo.
awhile this hearing is going on" said Mr..
Gould, producing q telegram, the st. Louis
Gr. Hayes, Who Is now in WashinPto nn ff He
then read the dispatch, which told the knights
to push the strike, as there was plenty Of money.
man who signed the dispatch Charging me with
the death OF the men who were shot in East St.
LOUIS.
MR.. HoxIE's DELEGATED POWERS,
Mr.. Burns said: "Mr. Gould, you spoke of a
resolution OF the directors OF the road defining
Mr.. Hoxie's powers. Have you thiss"
Witness replied that he had.
Burns-"Did you understand that this reso-
luton limited your powers as president of the
rOad?'
Mr.. Gould-"I was temporarily absent at the
time, and had for the time surrendered the
powers OF president"
NV hen you came back did you feel that the
resolution limited your power" asked Mr..
Burns.
ayes" replied the witness. orhat is, donot
dency."
Witness then said that when he sent the dis
patcn 70 MT. Hoxie with relation TO arbitration
ne ala not look upon 1t as so much even a. adj
sfsory: He simply wanted to put the whole re-
sponsloii1ty upon Mr.. HOxte.
GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF THE RAILROADS.
The witness was asked If he thought the gov
eminent ought to control the railroads.
He replied that they already did this through
the laws. He avoided. the question Of govern
ment control He thought, he said, that any
law that defined duties Of the road to the peO-
pie, ana At the same time included arbitration,
would be good thing But the time 10 arbi-
tfate was not after property had been destroyed
ana iife threatened. II must come before
MR.. GOULD rHiNKs Mr.. PowDERLY HAS UNDER-
TAKEN TO DO TOO MUCH.