The News-Herald. [volume] (Hillsboro, Highland Co., Ohio) 1886-1973, 1886-06-16


wishes to constitute is subordinate Palia-
ment not like Grattan'A which was CO.
eluaL arising lout Of the same eonstitu-
fiOn and In the same manner as this Parlia-
,nent given by the sovereign. We
understand this perfectly we'll, and we
should undoubtedly have preferred, q
I stated upon the occasion Of
the Introduction of the bill as
showing that could not accept this AZ q
final settlement of the matter-we should
have preferred the restitution of the Grattan
Parliament 1t would have been more In
accord with the sentiments Of the Irish
people At the same time I am bound to
say that II preferred the Grattan Parlia.
ment there are practical advantages In the
proposals before us which limit and subord.
mate the Parliament to that In which Wa
now sit Il may be Of even greater advantage
to the irish people than Parliament like
Grattan's and much more likely to be a final
settlement Of the question.
''Grattan's Parliament had many disadvan-
tages. First It had the House OF. Lords.
We get rid Of the House OF Lords under Mr..
Gladstone's constitution. True there Is to
tary provision. I don't pledge myself to
all Its details and qualifications, but say
generally that the frst order Is very salu-
tary provision, which will tend to prevent
rash legslat' on and iinmoderate action.
venture to express the opinion that the ex-
istent action of the Imperial Parliament as
constant means of overseeing. as
4s suggested by Mr. Chamberlain, would
mot have the saMe success and would not
be SO acceptable to the Irish people
as the measure now proposed. IWdeed, Mr..
Chamberlain proposals would, 1 believe
be mischievoss and dangerous and would
hxtv, ok hat
would be satisfactory to the Irish people,
On the other hand when we have assembled
IN our chamber In ireland aid the different
sections Of the Irish people and those
causes and effects which always arise will
come into operation again and will lead to
satisfactory results. The result of the two
orders working together in the same cham.
Der will enable great questions to be settled
on basis Of compromise mOpe or less salts
factory TO all parties. We under
stand perfectly well rhat the In
perial Harliament has ultimate su-
premacy and ultimate sovereignty. In
accepting the bill we accept honorable
obligations and we pledge ourselves for the
Irish people. as far as we can pledge our
selves, that the powers given 70 us shall nCt
be abused; to devote all tho eenergy and ability
we possess and all the influence we may
have with our people to prevent them frsm
abusing the powers entrusted to them, and
that II abuses do take place the Imperial
Parliament may interve,Se,in cases of grove
| emergency. We have had this measure ac-
| cepted lby all the lead@s of every section
Of the National party lin ireland, also
| outside Of Ireland. in America and in every
| country where the Irish people are to be
found. We have not heard a single voice
raised against the bill by an lrishman, Ger
tainly,not by an Irishman of Nationalist
opinion. say that as far as the irish
people can accept this Bill they have ae-
cepted 1t without any reserve as measure
whichrmay be considered las q final settle
ment 'of a great question
II leave the question 6f the sovereignty
| of Parliament to 60 to smother point which
Mr.. Geschen touched upon. He very fairly
told his fears as to the abuse Of power by
the Irish priesthood regarding education. He
has net followed the example'Of other illus
triOus'speakers by ndulging In extravagant
| question. l may say am quite sure his
apprehension Is genuine 'as far as 1t goes,
and he does not desire IN see anything in
the shape of religious discOrd In Ireland. 4
| think u can assure Mr.. GOschen that we
shall be,able to settle this question of edE-
cation very we'll among ourselves"
| II can assure the House that with Ulster
In the Irish Legislature with such repre-
sentatiOns as we see cOnjang from Ulster to
the Heuse there Is not the slightest risk,
even IL there were any idea on the part of
the Catholic hierarchy of using their power
unfairly against pr0testan6si that II such thing
can ever take place we should be able to
settle the question to the satisfaction of
| everybody concerned amONg ourselves.
Sir Michael Hicks-B Beach followed Mr..
| Parnell. He said that tine bill failed to
represent the views of the Liberal party. 1t
was the production of one man. Sir Michael
was certain that majority representing
Great Britain would oppose the bill. The
House had no right to modify the union
without the prev GUS consent Of the people
of Great Britain
When Mr.. Gladstone rose Ne was loudly
| cheered. He expressed great pleasure at
having listened to the mastery exposition,
he could not call II less, Of the saember from
Cork. He felt strong convictLsa that the
speeches had been c0uched in q atssse marked
alike by sound craftsmanship and far-seeing
moderation And they will never faii to pro-
duce lasting effect upon the minds and
| convictions Of the people Of England and
Scotland. With regard to- the personal
question which has arisen between Nr. Par
nell and Mr.. Beach, said Mr.. Gladstone, l
think it no part Sf my duty to Interfere
Mr. Beach began by stating . series of
what he succinctty described as simple facts.
will not say his simple facts are pure fic.
tions. but Mr.. Beach declares, though I do
not see that II fAs much to do with the
matter, that this bill Ia one mans. Well, l
am amazed. Ny opponents speak as II they
have been at my elbow all day-every day
throughout the winker. Mr.. Chamberlain
eanld only speak wtthin the compass of his
Knowledge and II he said 1t was the bill of
owe man he would know no more about II
than member opposite But sir, long be.
fore that time the leading details of the bin
had been q matter Of anxious consideration
between me and my nearest political
friends. r..I
The right honorable gentleman says that
excepfing on one point customs and excise
duties, no change was made In the bill after
1t ives 6rst submitted to the Cabinet He has
no meaas of knowing that. II 1t were true,
and 1t happens to be entirely untrue. This
Is matter of great Importance, though II is
one that has never been seen by Mr.. Cham
berlain.
MI. Chamberlain took exceptions to GER
tain provisions In the bill without being
acquainted with the whole casa. That Is
fact NJ Beach is entirely wrong also In
this, one Of his simple facts Mr.. Beach
says that announced to the House that the
bill was not to be reconstructed. l said
nothing OF ta,e kind. / announced that I
had not prosised that 1t should be recon-
structed, and there are gentlemen opposite
who think It matter for laughter; who see no
distinction between promising that the bill
shall not be reconstructed and not having