Los Angeles daily herald. [microfilm reel] (Los Angeles [Calif.]) 1884-1890, 1886-06-08
HOME RULE DEFEATED
Second Reading of the Bill
Refused
BY A MAJORITY OF THIRTY
Speeches In the House of Commons
For and Against the
Measure.

DUbttntb III tht AAVt-Rc
For and Against the
Measure.
Special 10 the Herald bg The Associated Press.
LONDON, June 7.-Gladstone entered
the House of Commons this afternoon
and proceeded straight to his seat. Wher
his presence was noticed be was greeted
with tremendous cheers. The Premier
wore a white rose in his lapel The
Commons was crowded to its utmost ca
pacity at the opening of the session
Gladstone, in replying to aquestion, said
the Government was unable to promise
to incorporate measures tor Home Rule
governments in England. Wales ano
scotland in the revised Irish Home Rule
bill. when it was brought in during the
autumn session, in the event Of its pas
sage to second reading now.
Right Hon. Geo. H. J. Goschen re-
sumed the debate on the Home Rule bill
to-day. He said if the bill passed tire.
mendous struggle would be inaugurated
by the Catholic clergy of Ireland for the
control OF education in that country.
Regarding the question whether the bill
would prove a final settlement OF the
Irish difficulty or lead to eventual sep
aration, Goschen Said he dia not think it
would prove finality. 1t had been
elected in various letters which passed
between the Premier and his followers
that the reconstruction bill was the basis
on which many members would unite in
voting with the Government on the
measure which every one admitted was
the most important ever submitted TO
Parliament. The opponents of the bill
will have achieved the result If the bill
is withdrawn after the second reading,
ifsit passes that stage. The Premier is
now more anxious to learn from his sup
porters what they will authorize him to
give than to insist upon knowing What
the Parnellites will accept. [Cheers. ]
His tone now differed. 1t had been
shown that the British Parliament was
not inclined to consider Parnell as diota-
tor. loud cheersl "During recess,
said Goschen, 81 heard one now Minis.
ter of the Crown say he was certain Par
nell would be dictator in the coming
session. / think, however, Parnell's fol-
lowers will not acknowledge him. There
are limits whereat they see that many
who were prepared to grant some legis-
lative autonomy TO Ireland would draw
the line. The House will remember the
first reading of this bill. and it will re.
call the Right Honorable Chief Secretary
for Irslsnd's repeated illusions TO GER
tain dark subterranean forces. We do
not hear so much thereof now. They
withdraw to great extent, though not
entirely from the light. A curtain has
been dropped over those terrible times
and tragedies which had scarcely faded
from our memories. The alarmed Home
Secretary of the Premier's last govern.
ment Is now able to reappsar as Chan.
cellor Of the Exchequer. and with great
jocularity and light-heartedness make
merry over what he calls melo.dramatic
terrors. l wonder whether this began
on the day when he first pinned to his
arm over his Ministerial uniform the
Home Rule badge OF the Parnellites.
fLoud cheers from the oppositonl We
know a truce has been proclaimed and
part Of the dark subterranean forces has
been told off TO terrify British public
opinion. They are simply holding their
hands, though the devil is still
working in some parts of Ireland,
fCheers. The British democracy are
asked to do justice, (Parnellite cheers)
but they will require to see justice done
and should have thought the Parnell-
ties would have used their great instru-
mens aud vast organization to help dis
cover the perpetrators OF these vile out
RACES. deposition cheers. | don't
say they can do it. The matter may
have passed beyond their power. We
have the right, however, to pause when
asked to place the protection Of life in
Ireland in the hands Of q new nntutored
executive, and at the same time reiin-
quish control Of the police" [Parnell-
tie cries of "no, no."l Continuing Co
schen said: 1.-THE presence Of Irish
members at Westminster is incompatible
with separate Irish Parliament. It
will be impossible to include Ulster in
the Dublin Parliament" Parnellite
cries OF mo, no."] 1.-THE clauses relat
ing to taxation and finance also," con-
tinued Goschen, ''are inherent defects
in the bill" He asked II the Home
Rule bill is inseparably tied up with the
land purchase scheme. f"Oh, Oh. !"
cheers.] He had seen some correspond
ence in which the Premier stated that
the subjects were inseparable in the
mind OF the Government At the
moment the. word inseparable did
not convey anything clear and
definite. The speaker was entitled
to know whether II the Home Rule bill
was returned in the autumn 1t would be
accompanied by the Land Purchase bill.
Was It to be inseparably tieds He
would also like to know whether any
daylight regarding Ulster penetrated the
open mind OF the government. Were
members OF the House to remain ignor-
ant as to whether the government in
tended to ignore listers earnest plead
ings. Opposition cheers and irish cries,
what Ulster?''l "Why. the same
Ulster, "Goschen said, "that the Premier
referred to when he introduced the bill. +"
deposition cheers.] No hope has been
rendered that clause "a will be dropped
This meant the disappearance perma-
nently of Irish members from the i'm.
perial Parliament. The Premier said at
the Foreign Office that he saw a
plan to adjust the difficulties. but never
said what that plan was"
Concluding, Goschen said members
must not forget Morleys warning if
discomfort arose in Ireland, Irish. Ameri.
cans would place material resources at
Ireland's command II Parliament
parted with its executive power ia Ire
land, alienated its friends, made them
bitter fees, placed executive power in
new untried hands, how would they
meet this dificuityl Suppression by
force was held up as a remedy He
urged members not to main the consti.
tuition OF which they were only life
trustees. "No foreign country" he said,
fever had Parliament like the British
Parliament. As life trustees they were
bound to hand over their glorious pos
session without detriment to those COM
ing after them. implore you by the
traditions OF which we are heirs, by the
obligations Of duty and honor, by our
hopes Of the future Of the empire, by
our duty to the Queen, to look to it
that those who shall come after us may
bear witness that we did not betray our
trust" Loud cheers.)
Parnell was the next speaker. Loudly
cheered by his followers, he said, ii
should ordinarily have lacked conf
dence in following so able and
eloquent speaker 10 this contest,
but think "Thrice is he armed who
hath his quarrel just" (cheers) and, I'M.
equal aud inferior as | am ut many
points. / hope / shall not be so far be.
hIod as usual. [''Hear Heari"l With.
ont intending to offer any disrespect, /
could not help thinking. while listening
10 his peech, thst of all the lost causes
wherewith | have seen him connected
for many years past, he never had so
little effect on me as when contending
AGAINST the bill we hope to read lecond
time tonight. Goschen spoke about the
sovereignty Of Parliament. Upon this
mint [ agree with the definition given