St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1886-05-11

VictorS were the vanQuiShed-the military
victors. The Canadians were victorious in
the field of reason. Cheers. Here Mr..
Gladstone referred to the significant eX-
preston of opinion that had come across
the Atlantic approving the vital principles
of the bill. Cheers and derisive cries.
lie asked the gentlemen who appeared to
think that these manifestations of the
opinion of America were worthless
hear! hear! I if they would have considered
them worthless if the manifestations had
condemned the bill. Cheers. Coming
to the leading objections to the bill he said
that he noticed that the first was the OBJ
lection to the exclusion of Irish members
from the imperial parliament as breach of
the cardinal principles that there ought not
| to be
| TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.
The opponents of the bill said that
England could never enforce taxation in
ireland without representation and that
nothing but the consent of Ireland would
| induce them to contemplate such action for
a moment. Many members were not even
satisfied with the consent of Ireland. Be-
! side this general constitutional objection
there existed regret that there would
cease to be a symbolical representation
of the unity of the Empire through the alb
| sence of Irish members. No history has
shown us that in foreign, or what he pre-
/ fered to call over sea affairs the Irish peo-
pie do not stand in the same relation as the
people of England and Scotland (hear. hear,
and cries of ''No'). 1t is a wonder that
in country with woes so great and whose
hopes have so often been doomed to disap-
pointment, the mind of the people should
be confined to the position of their own
country. An essential principle to
the Irish people has become the
control of their own affairs. Still
the bill provides that Ireland shall
not be excluded from imperial affairs
Clause Twenty-Five provides for recall of
the representatives in both houses of the
Irish parliament before the parliament can
proceed to the alteration of statute upon
which the countries do not agree. Another
clause provides that on certain conditions
the Irish assembly may vote sums of money
for purpose excluded from the ordinary
| cognizance. He trusted that should Great
Britain be involved in a great war, when
Ireland would be exposed to the common
danger, the Irish assembly would respond
to message from the crown by voting
money to
PROSECUTE THE WAR
| Opposition laughter. Though abiding in
the principle that the Irish members should
not sit in the imperial parliament, the gov
eminent was willing to meet the difficulty
by providing that when it was proposed to
| alter the taxation OF Ireland relating to the
customs and excise duties. Irish members
would be enabled to appear in parliament
and share in the debate. Cries of hear,
hear. The government was also willing
to appoint joint commission from the En-
| glish and Irish parliaments, which would
meet from time to time to consider some
| questions of imperial or common interest.
No great question, such as success
sion to the crown, ought to
fall under the discussion of
this secondary authority, but many ques-
lions, such as treaties of commerce, might
require direct communication between both
parliaments. He would therefore propose
on behalf of the government some plan of
this kind. He proceeded to explain that
| the government remained undecided as to
the conditions under which Irish members
or an Irish commission should appear in the
imperial parliament. The government did
not consider this to be vital point. In his
opinion if the Irish members came back in
any numbers it would be necessary to devise
q new system of election. He would certainly
have no jealousy of the Irish members. If
they should reappear in their force he
would rather have them amply
than scantily and jealously
treated. In conclusion, he sdeclared
that the main object of the bill was to abol-
| ish, root and branch. the discomfort pre-
yailing in Ireland, and to restore social Or
der by the removal, not merely of the symp-
toms, but the causes of that discomfort If
the opponents of the bill had an alternative
policy what was it? he asked. If Lord
Randolph Churchill should undertake the
TASK OF SETTLING IRELAND
what did he mean to do? Was his plan
that proposed by the loyalists in Belfast
last November. The English government
might be daring, but not so daring as to
undertake to reconstruct the Irish govern
ment without touching the legislative diff
ficulty. If Lord Harrington had plan,
let him declare it. He appealed to Lord
| Harrington to state his solution of the Irish
problem. They had reached crisis in the
history of the nation. The path of bold
ness was the only path of safety. [Cheers
All men ought to know their own mind and
ought to tell it. The fate of Ireland
could not be cast into the lottery
of politics. Parnellite cheers He
had been told that he was steering ireland
to certain ruin. Let the opponents show
way to escape. Let Lord Harrington, in
moving the rejection of the bill, trace Wis
ible or palpable road through the dark
ness. Cheers.
| The members of the house of commons
! have before them a great opportunity to
| close a strife of 700 years; yea, and of
knitting by bonds firmer and higher in
character than heretofore. the hearts and
affections of the Irish people, and of &C.
mn fi,,nr4 bo,, 40 {oI1, ~, d.
ton. Loud and prolonged cheering.
Mr.. Gladstone was followed by Lord
Harrington, who, on rising, was greeted
with cheers. He asked if Mr.. Parnell had
ever stopped short of asking for complete
independence and the restoration of Ireland
to her place among the nations of the
world. He darlington feared that the
premier had settled the matter without
mature consideration. With reference
to submitting an alternative meas
ure, he failed to remember
single instance in which Mr.. Gladstone had
taken the course he now asked the dissen-
tients to take who were unprepared to sug-
gest in what direction the measure before
the house could be Immediately revised.
He believed that the concession made to-
night would not meet the demands of Mr..
Chamberlain. In conclusion he moved
that the bill be read six months hence.
The debate was adjourned till Thursday.
HefutiDg SlanderOus Statements.
WASHINGTON, May misrepresentation
Ward of Chicago sent the following cable
gram to-day:
Hon. E. Dwyer Gray, Freeman's Journal,
Dublin, Ireland:
As the representative in the American con-
gress of the Chicago district where the recent
riot took place, l desire to say in
REPUTATION of the slanderous articles
Of certain English newspapers, that not
single person of Irish birth, or of Irish
extraction was with the anarchists who in
cited organized or participated in the as
saults. But on the contrary the lives of
several brave Irish-Americans were lost in
protecting the lives and interests of Chicago
citizens. (Signed) JAMES H. WARD.