Seattle daily post-intelligencer. [volume] (Seattle, W.T. [Wash.]) 1881-1888, 1886-05-11
ii THE COMMONS.
The Debate en- fhs Msme
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terly spserh-Esra marmnsssn
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tarly spesrh-EeFa marainsisn
mepiaes-Ths Bshaae Aa-
esnsnea unria TharsAay.
Loxpon, Nay l0.-At the hcur
fuT tha rpeninR q the session
tha Conmons uas crowded IN every
raxa The Prinoe of waies, Primes
t'hFistian, Phelps. United Scales Minis
~. ard EIOeunt President Of the
freneh ChamheF of Dsp1tieF. we're
among tie distinguished visitors IN the
galleries. When
aLknsxsNR
Aross be Waa received with lead cheers.
On qniee beinR restored tie Premiss
/ mnHed the saennd reading Of the hume
Fuia hslI. He said he did nua intend ai
prsnsnt 60 ask The House 20 ounkinue
the debaae On the bill fr8m dag 70 day.
Mr.. GIsdst0ne's voice as the eulsat Of
his spcseh IL adFooaey 81 hi1 motion
wns indislinot, hoaxsg and feeble, bot Il
el.ared aa be proceeded. He said be
desired Is ahe opening % maka q 4tate-
meat % hia personal position, which Be
had entiFely rsfrainsd fF8m making
whsn be inirodnesd lhs bill. He had
neEsR % any period declared homa rule
Ia Ireland e. Incompatible With i'm
psEial unity ICEies Of ''Ohi OH 2 That
was exactly %. CbeeFa. Con.
trsdiefioa had tome ffsu s0Ene
members who visited Midl0ihian AJAX
/ inc speeches stuffed full of untrue and
worthless assertions 0hl Oh and
eheerBl. In 1871 be had expressed the
ereaf satisfaction with which be had
heard the afatementa Of the supporters
Nsef sra1sa
tomplaAed nethinR leadinQ 90 q sever
anes % the Empire. TParnellite eheersl.
Ewo Questions had always presented
themselves 10 bic mind regarding home
/ rule; firstly, Il must be shown that il
vas desired bs the Great mass Of the
p5paiation OF fHfEeland. That condition
had never before been abaoluiely and
uneauivoualiy met. fChseEsl Second
", Vas dome Fgle compatible with the
unity of the Empire2 That question
vas boing answered hy MF. Psrnsll, Who
had declared that Whaf be sought nm
der the name OF home rule was simply
ihe autonemy Of Ireland.
The epeakeF had teen charged with
expeKimentinz IN politics without grave
cause. Here they had the QFayssf
causes, for they we're dealing with &
people and oo1utry whose radical gVm-
pethiea NeFe aQainst tha lac and espe-
oially the eFiminal Iau, which never ob-
tanned the. confidence oE ohedienoe Of
the Irish people. The alternative Of oo-
eRaive and reform measures had been
tried. They had equally failed 10 con
oiliate. The medicine Of coercion. espe-
oially, had bean a medicine oentinually
applied in increasing dOaea and dimin- /
isniHg result. Cheers
Here the speaker Fevisuod the history
Of the past In an endeavoF 20 prove that !
only thorough msasure which Wsald |
be satisfactory 20 Ireland was nov feas- |
lille. As regards the autonomy Of Iro- |
land bsinR . menace 90 the unity Of the |
Empire. be reminded the Honse that
tue same argument vas employed |
against Canadian Independence. When /
it vas decided to ooncsde home rule 20 |
Cenadas Canada was In the precise /
temper attributed 10 Ireland today. /
Canada did not Ret home rule because /
she was loyal and friendly. She Wes /
nov loyal and friendly because she /
had cot home rule lKiah oheeFsl |
He f0ladstonel sat iE Parliament |
during the whole OF the Canadian CON
tFoveFay, taking IS Q young man an 40.
tive part IN the discussion. What waR /
she nature of that debate? The case Of /
Canada was not parallel to that Of Ire
land-ncs 10 every paFtteular--ao the /
bill offered 20 Ireland is different IN i'm
poFiant details from the nct which die
posed the peace Of Canada. Bat II
not parallel, their positions are anaia-
Qoas. What was the cry Of tho8s Who
resisted the disfranohisemen OF Can
adaf IG has slept long time, aequiF-
ing ViRoF frJm sleeping. Il Was the cry i
thai the unity Of she Empire would be /
endangered. 10 bis opinion in the Fe-
lation Of Canada and England /
then. there was very great danger 1
10 the Empire, bat it vas the /
remedy for the mischief, not /
the mischief itself that Vas regarded as
dangerous. In this reapoct the cases Of
Ireland and Canada we're especially /
parallel. There Is great danger to the
unity Of she Empire In our present rela-
tions With Ireland, bat the opponents Of L
she bill bad appended 70 Il the org Of
danger" instead Of 20 the existing
mischief.
Hare Mr. Gladstone referred TO the
significant expression Of opinion thai
bad come acFoss the Atlantic approving /
the vital pEineiple9 Of the bill. [Cheers
and derinive cries. He aaked the gen
tlemen Who appeared 10 thiAk that /
those manifestations Of the opinion Of Il
America were worthless Il thsy would
have consideEed them worthless II The /
manifestations bad condemned the bill.
Referring 10 the leading objections
10 the bill, be said be noticed that the 4
flFnt vas % the exclusion Of Irish men,
hara from The Imperial PArliament
As believers in the cardinal principle 4
that there ought not 20 be
taxati0n without representation
The opponents Of the bill said /
they could never force taxation /
Ireland without representation. Moth
ing but TIE consent Of Ireland wonld
isdaos them 20 eontsnplate zach action
for q moment. Many members were |
not even satisfied With the /
consent ef Ireland, and besides this
general onnstitufiamal uhieoeiun, there |
existed q regret that there woald cease /
ts ba 4 GVuknIia feuFeaentation OF the /
uafty ef The Empire through tae as /
Rncs II Irish members.
Nov History has shown rs that IN for |
eigu. oF what be preferred 70 call ''over
ssa, 2 aHairs, the peopls OF Ireland do /
nos stand 10 tue sane relation as the 1
psopls Of Eneland and Scotland |
faHsar, hear.s and cries OF ''Go."l Il /
u wonderful that 10 q o0uutry With woes
90 great and Whoss bapes have 30 often |
been doomed 20 disappoiniments the /
mind of the people shouid be conhaea /
% The position Of their own coEntryS /
An essential principle 10 shs Irish peo |
pie has becoms the oontEol of their own |
ahAirs. Still. tha ball provides thai |
Ireland sksli not Be excladed from In |
psrial aaairG CiAnse - refers % The |
call Of the representatives ef both |
houses Of the Irish PsFliament before
Parliament can proceed 70 ths alterA
tion Of q staknte npen which tae tw0
ee1ntries DO not agree AnotaeF elanee |
psesseea taat On certAin oo1dtfionE The
lgish ASSEMBLY, NAV vote useney fer par
poses excin1td Frcsa its ordinary eoR
nisanos. He trasted thai should Greaf
Britain Be involved in aereat wE wkeFe
iFaland would be exposed % she eom.
nou danger, The Irish Assembly wenlc
reapood 90 . message fFom TIE Crown
BY voting ns1ey ta pgosecats the var.
/ tOpposition iaEghter.
fosazh ahidEng N the priDeipls thai
I Triah members shoaid nos 81 10 tie kaa-
r,svf.f pars5nnsank aha ftnEaEn rsaN1f rRaa