St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1886-06-08
DEFEATED.
GLADSTONE DEFEATED.
The House of Commons Refuses to Order
the Home Rule Bill to Second
Reading,
And on Division Record Majority Of
Thirty Against the Present Gov
ernm5nt.
The Vote Preceded by n Debate
Which Lasted Until 1 This
Morning.
Goschen, Sir Michael Hicks-Beach,
ParnelI and the Premier
the Orators.
Gladstone Defeated.

Gladstone Defeated.
LONDON. June 7.-Mr. Gladstone en-
tered the house of commons at 4:45 o'clock
this afternoon. and proceeded straight to
his seat. When his presence was noticed
he was greeted with tremendous cheering.
The house of commons was crowded to the
utmost capacity at the hour OF opening the
session. The opposition loudly cheered
John Bright and Lord Harrington as they
entered and took their places. The Par
nellites were all in good voice, and they
gave Mr.. Gladstone most enthusiastic
welcome. Right Hon. George j. GoSchen
(LiberaD resumed the debate on the home
rule bill.
He said the bill was to be a message Of
peace to Ireland, which, the premier said,
would be torn to fragments forthwith after
its second reading. The sovereignty OF the
imperial parliament depended on a clause
which it was highly probable the majority OF
the house would never consent to. 1T the bill
passed, a tremendous struggle would be in
augurated by the Catholic clergy of Ireland
for the control of education in that country.
Regarding the question whether the bill would
prove Il final settlement of the Irish difficulty
or lead to eventual separation, GoSchen
said he did not think it would prove hnalty
That would depend entirely on the assurances
given by the Irish members. for the premier,
who alone at one time was supposed to have
given pledge to reconstruct the bill, subSe-
Quently indignantly repudiated that assump-
ton.
Gladstone, interrupting-"Tha is
GROSS ERROR.
''What the gentleman thinks looked like in
dignation was my eager Reputation of cool
statement that l had resolved to reconstruct
the BILL
Goschene resuming, said he saw the distine-
ton. but was unable to see how the premier
could avoid the difficulty. The house was
now informed that the bill would not be
constructed. Cries of ''Oh. OH, and cheers,
amidst which Gladstone expressed dissent
Was the government going to stand by it or
not? Loud opposition cheers. This state
of doubt came from voting, not on BILL but
on explanations first given at the foreign Of
flee and amplified and explained away on the
Friday following. Further explanations
to the answer were made on
the ensuing Monday. 1t had also been elic-
tied in various letters which had passed be-
tween the premier and his followers that the
reconstruction of the bill would unite the
Liberals with the government on measure
which everyone admitted was the most inn
portant ever submitted TO parliament. The
opponents of the bill will have achieved their
work if the bill is withdrawn after it passes
the second reading if it passes that stage.
The premier is now more anxious to learn
frem his supporters what they will authorize
him to give than to insist upon knowing what
the Parnellites will accept. [Cheers. His
tone is different 1t has been shown
that the British parliament is not inclined
to consider the Parneltes as dictators.
Loud cheers. During the recess" said
Goschen, Il heard one, now a minister of the
crown, say he was certain Parnell would be
dictator in the coming session. l think, how
ever, ParnelfS followers will now acknowl-
edge there are limits whereat they see many
who are prepared to grant some legislative
autonomy to Ireland would draw the line.
The house will remember the first reading of
this bill, and will recall the right honorable
chief secretary for 1relands repeated allu-
sions to certain
DARK SUBTERRANEAN FORCES.
We do not hear much thereof now. They
have withdrawn to great extent though not
entirely from the light. The curtain has been
dropped over the terrible times and tragedies
which have scarcely faded from our memo
ries. The alarmed home secretary of the
premiers last government is now able to re-
appear as chancellor of the eXchequer, and
with great popularity and light-headedness
make merry over what he calls the melo-
dramatic. / wonder whethersthis began on
the day when he first pinned on his arm, over
his ministerial uniform, the home-bill badge
of the Parnellites to wear. Loud opposition
cheers. We know truce has been
proclaimed and that part of the dark
subterranean forces have been told off
to terrify British public opinion, they simply
holding their hands, though the devil is still
working in some parts of Ireland. Cheers.
The British democracy is asked to do justice
Parnellite cheersl, but they will require to
see Justice done. l should have thought the
Parnelites would use their great influence
and vast organization to help discover the
perpetrators of these vile outrages. Oppo-
sition cheers. don't say they can do it.
The matter may have passed beyond their
power. We have the right, however, to pause
when asked to place the protection of life in
Ireland in the hands of a new
UNTUToRED EXECUTIVE
and at the same time relinquish control of the
police [Parnellite cries of mo- no.''l Con-
tinuing, Goschen said: 1.-The presence of Irish
members at Westminster is incompatible with
q separate Irish parliament. 1t will be i'm
possible to include Ulster in the Dublin par
lament" Parnellites cries, mo, no." tsThe
clause relating to taxation and finance is
Also" continued Goschen, ian inherent de-
feet in the BILL He asked if the home rule
bill was inseparably tied up with the land
purchase scheme. ''Oh, OH and cheers I
He had seen some correspondence in. which
the premier stated that the subjects were in
separable in the minds of the government.
at the moment the word inseparable did not
convey anything clear or definite. and
the speaker entitled to know whether
If the home rule bill was returned in the
autumn it would be accompanied by land
purchase bill, whereto, it had been said, it
was inseparably tied. He would also like to
know whether any ray of light regarding
Ulster penetrated upon the mind of the gov
ernment. Were the members of the house
lSuOrdHC as TO WQ0Iler the govern
ment intended to ignore listers earnest
pleadings? deposition cheers and Irish
cries what Ulster?'' 'sWhy, the same
Ulster" Goschen said, ''that the premier re-
ferred to when he introduced the bill" Top
position cheers. No hope had been ten
dered that clause twenty-four would be
dropped This meant the disappearance
permanently of Irish members from
the imperial peT parliament The pre-
mier SAID at the foreign office
a q fn
difficulty, but he never said what that plan
was. If the house was to hear it. it was to
be only before the conclusion of the debate
when they would not have time to carefully
consider it. Cheers. This was important.
as the plan was intended to affect the
votes of the Irish representation in the house
of commons, and led directly to the question
of the sovereignty of parliament which. if
not destroyed, would be impaired and
weakened. They were told there was power
of the first order in the Irish parliament
He doubted whether they would ever
hear more of the first order. He
said a veto power existed, the constant
exercise of which would induce an intolerable
friction and the last state would be worse than
the first. Until they knew the governments
intention regarding the land bill and Ulster
and what first orders the power of veto
would involve, he was unable to see what
protection would be given minorities He
did not believe the Protestants would be per-
secuted. He believed the Irish members
were sincerely anxious to prevent the cler-
zeal ascendancy aimed at Irish cries of
''no"l by the priesthood of every church.
[Cheers and cries of mo- The clergy of all
churches aimed at educational as
cendancy. The Irish members would find
themselves embarked i'll a tremendous
struggle with the Catholic priesthood. In
conclusion he said: 1 implore the house by
the traditions of which we are the heirs, by
the obligations of honor by our hopes of the
future of the empire, by duty to the
Queen to look to it that those who shall come
after US may bear witness that we did not
betray our trust. Loud cheers.
PARNELL WAS THE NEXT SPEAKER.
He was loudly cheered by his followers.
He said:
81 should ordinarily have lacked conf