New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1886-04-16
THE MEETINGS WITH GOULD.
BOTH SIDES HAVE A HEARING.
WHAT THE srENoGRAPHERs NOTES SAY.

A question of veracity has arisen between
jay Gould and members OF the executive committee Of
the Knights OF Labor organization ~ to what TOOK
place at conferences between them at Mr. Goulds house
Sunday, March %. and at his Office in the Western
Union Building on the following Tuesday verbatim
report OF the conference Tuesday made by f. NJ.
Adams, well-known stepographer and this was given
90 the press last night What was said on the main
question ~ issue is here reproduced Mr. Gould began
the discussion by remsrkng:
Mr. Gould-Mr Powderly. as to my interview with
you on sunday, IL very unfortunate that anything
was sad without my approval Il was understood nss
was to be strictly confidential and II any part OF thas
conversation came OUT Why the whole interview oushs
Mr. Powdery-No.hlne has escaped at all havo
not said word about any convention. ..
garbed statement OF what took place. aud had not
Mr. Po%deriy~it didn't come from me.
Mr. Goad-Dd Z conc from sN Mr. Mcdowell M 9snas,. mann.
facture things when they don't get it,
After a brief discussion. In VIII Mr. Gould com.
planned that his dispatch to vcePresient Hoxie had
been misinterpretej, he said:
Mr.. Goud-I didn't understand that there was
any order to be issued by Mr. PowderIy
said that he had in bis mind the question
Whether ne %sya aS @ the tine
he said that said 81 have objection 10 saow you
row morning | get downtown about 030 and sAai
send It there" And read the dispatch and
wouid not give him copy Of it, which iid Now. Is
all wrong TO misconstrue me and put me neors s @ ,ms
thing day and whitfield around aud said another
thing another day 1t taesrroys all organzatioa.
Mr. McDowell-T had not finished when you interrupt
ed me. My understanding when MI Powderiy Iet was
that TO remain and would receive your Letter; ana
tn, the order out by the Executive Board
the to return TO work. that the or Ter anh
OUT then the etter to be returned aud deivereu "
Mr. Gould-There was no understanding like that
MIR Powderly-Ast to the revocation of the charter:
asked the question: "suppose lid do that how muca
understand that nobody cared for them.' and asked
he question: "will It NOT make matters wor'e'" Is
Mr. Gould-PossIbly you might. understood that
that was what you were going to do. Mr. Hopkins 10Y
lowed it up by saying that year ago wlrn tnis matter
was arbitrsted by the Governors. aud when tey onnn
say that we had humble pie. ad that
| We had been defeated-Jly Gould was defeated; and
now he says, are In che wrong anu when YOU
acknowledge that you are ~ the wtons yon onsne 20
take the Consequences this ime-showlng exactly the
| view we took. Am not right
| Mr. IIopkins-Aud Mr. Mcdowell said these men were
rebels that they were rebeling again Il the order.
| Mr.. Powderly-He SAID partly IN rebellion
When the famous dispatch TO Mr. Hoxc had been read
| Mr. Powdery inquired
| NJ. Powdery-win you explain TO Inc what that means
! thenl ,o,,- .,,,or,,oa
| Mr. tioxIe-put this mater IA Mr. H0xes hands Iuy
tna question OF arbitration. which = matter OF vast
@ rean omTerlynS prmcple-fhat 80 lar the bolrd
concernct here we saw no objection to ,h" leaving ,s
nroo ne s,rs IT. to that extent That all
Mr. Hoxle Is proceeding to carry THAI OUT and VII pro.
esr sua have not heard word from hln beyond mat
ponting the dispatch on the des'o and he say I,
have received your MESSAGE OF instruction and VII
nrocsed TO carry the same 10 the best OF my aby
Mr Powiery-wel. you say you ase will"g 90 % arn,,
trate Mr. Hoxe is reported In the papers AZ IPS pens
willing to arbrate. and won't-nost empna'ie,ly. sVs
WON'T and he says , TO you S over r M w ali '''
| Mr. Hopkins--we did arbltrate tnis very thlng.
Nj Gouid-rns very question was @ r. Ms
arbitratad here since this strike anl the GoVrIuo.,
@ for p s the SO ie M so Il wda fe
question because it SHOWS tnat tnIs l'e''o" n" '''"
| arbtrated-the question ot thls s'r'Ne
After further discussion about arbitration IN which
the letter OF Governors Marmaduks and Martin was
| read Mr. Gould said 10 Mr. POwderiy:
| Mr. oould-[ umders stood you On sunday TO say that
az fast as furnished You the name, oi th"se iuehps
VINO hal injured our properly tH"' !o" ""u'' 'o ''
&r. P5wderly-I said tnat our orsaniz't,ois "lway;
did when "A man violated the law or 60 united n acc eco OK
Violence Il they were fOGnd guilty 0i any cohd't .hd'
uOt proper we should proceed asa,ns snvh r.
say now II men baye been guy u Hes,Ioy ns p'ot",
burning bridges thing of tat khi lsL as ,oon ~
We are sa .scd that they did H. Just 80 soon WIZ we ps
them out of the organization. We cannot pardon any
Dody does anything oi that kiuI we never
We nave put ourselves on record In T. Lohs We to'.
| the char,er away from an entire assembly because Vi
| their acts ..so ,,o sol.c, a committed from tho
| emptoyes there; Will you notify Mt hox'e to meet
NI P"wdery"ln other words II committee OF tho
hoard 20 out there will Mr Vxle grant us an aFoifa'
"yI Sir. Gould-well that ldon't know. Mr Powdery.
viii summit any matter TO hun lie h's got nc lu eoA,
tr. Of this az wr0,eyou ii Is al III hs nan AZ ~
in addition the question OF agbitrltln l. IN ms htnds
AZ that he has the whole thing Now have no objection
ask Mr. Hoxe any point nat ou " io iio M
| Nh McDowel!-YOu arc IN felrSrApAic co'hmuHeA''ou
with him right here. aren't You ,,, Tb.r.,,a
| Nr t;ould-lhe are down to-day. in'E" ~ =
tremendous Storm We have ho'rt h"thn- IRON .no
West to-day yet 10 MI George J' "on'D h'" "'o '"'
Mr. George j. Goud-Ihe wires in trouble between
MIR Geuld-Tucrc IL a terrible storm raging between
here and the West bu. can sk NM To 40 IL "u'"S 'o
day and can get his views on that question; Ia. 4.
Ir Haycs-Well the matter beaE l tceL III tIe h'.',
OF NJ oNe 1t IS placed oi co"r3e, IA MS r,, , -, ,,s
Mr lIore to the Board oai th"re or meet
the eonmitee IN orier O. 70 pr"S '"'' '"'''' ~
Wr dTha sct "a OF ti.e Boarl was taken while
w.s,way [ had an understanding with MI fo"aef ~
last August that II thefc a. ston came "a ot
dffce ence that there should be 10 s'Fi~ei IN va.
Pow ,erly won risnt 10 m, mi We w'nlt AK 10
down .nd adjust aud Mr. Hopkins VA eit""k o c'r.y
out mat understanding when ths strkr Joke '"'
Ih.t was the result Ot hi cOgrrsponde ce WIN yoi
Mr. Powderly-rh,t is matter th,t | am not Gear
upon. Now you gentlemen wrr, p,es"h! ~ , su ~ n,
member about All agreeincntf do"t understand T"
Mr. George j. Gouli-Mr Hoxie ba- always said tlat
he was wiling to meet committee OF our enpoye tie
| sad that while you were away 49,. ,,.,
| Mr. Gouid-I dln't iOw about tAAt. nave pcc'
away and have not paid any Itrton 2 10 "us at't
did not even know that the Governors h'u arD @ ,rt
this thing nnt Sunday. happened to i'ke l. uP Ju's
before you c.ne IA, and read IT, didn't know mat
| Mr. Hayes Y0u are aware That hr lioAle refuse" W
meet our Cnie under MS iltie. ..
| Mr. Powderly-tle refused To meet me as ciu|'i'
He refuse 10 meet hts own emplOy,s
Mr.. HDpkus-He d.di ,, - e.,,h .,,.,,i II,
Nj Powderly-Hc does They toll me en2h,iieaay 'iia
thai they went to aim and hc rriu,.d 1Imlrhc".
tnInk YOU will 10 investigate MI hoxr. lwoli
Jv,sn think YOU VIII nd that u VIII do yoI good
! Mr. Spmeryille-lIayent yOu got MI. h0Aies ass T.
tiuni , ,,,
gefs Iu o A pole aud II All the way "o"u
niu. aud then lnvtes you ni--no" arc you ~ S''
W. 80 =. . -. ..h,, ,,,,, s,,a n
few moments ago should not be done-,aking news
paper talk Mr.. nOXe has not said that u you OF "
| anybody else.
| ilr Hsyes-But the men who were ther q, ~,
Mr. romervile-But you are taxing men Val" i"u
ger Il through tn newspapers
Mr. Powlerly-T were OUT there - .
MIR e;onLi-Do YOU .ay that Mr.. HJxo has refu'ed "a
I see a committed uf our mem
! Mr. PJwderly-that Is what they cliiin ,