New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1886-04-09

that IN more than by any other method we may
enabled al once tho social hippihesS tho
power. and the perinanence OF the Empire.
Mr. Gladstone resumed hs seat AMID bursts OF ehthu
siastIc cheers viii sustained for several min
utes.
Mr. Gladstone's speech three hours and twenty
hve minutes in duration. He hnisned at o'clock.
Persons who had heard Mr. Gladstone on former great
compdrngh speech tonight with hs DINER
great speeches IL s generally admitted hat IN ucliy
OF statencn and arsumentatve power tho speech 10
night WAS quite equal OF of his finest previous
oaions. The partial failure OF his voice. however, rem
ders a comparison OF tonights effort with previous
speeches satisfactory from purely rhetorical point
OF view. After Mr. G!adstones speech the House
rapidly hnncd and for the next two hours the con-
trast was striking During Mr. Treyeyans speech the
House gradually filed up again
TREVELYAN AND PARNELL SPEAK.
THE Ex-sECRETARY PREFERS sErARAroN-PAR-
NELL FAVoEs TIE MEASURE As A WHOLE.
When the applause following Mr.. Gladstone's
spec subsidized Mr. George Otto Trevelyan. who re-
Gently resigned the position of Secretary for scotland,
arose euoszins Mr. Gadstones grafton. Mr. Ire
veyan proceeded to that he nterposed thus early
in the debate in order TO explain the reason OF his
resignation. lie resigned with extreme conjunction
and regret, although the step. when finally decided
upon with neither doubt to its propriciy
nor the least hesitation lie had Joined the Cabinet be-
cause lie considered tho time. TO have remained
the Liberal party Home Rulc party This wasa CON
fesson which he should be willing TO make. lie
could never consent TO such scheme Mr. Gladstone
had proposed lie had done bis best TO prevent the LID
erals from Identifying themselves with waa he regarded
neither for the welfare the benefit OF the country
Not longer ago than last June the whole Cabinet was
of the opinion himself What was 1t, he would
Ike to know, that happened since then to change them
The only security, lie urged, that Parliament would
have according Mr.. Gladstones plan for the money
they would be called upon vote for the purchase OF
tho Irish landlord estates woud be the willingness OF
the Irish farmers to keep up their payments How
much dependence could be placed upon thatl
The Speaker this point interrupted Mr.. Tfeyeiyan
and reminded him that no land bill had yet been sub
United TO Parliament. Mr. Trevelyan acknowledged The
correction aud proceeded with his speech by asking
"How long would 1t be, the measure that has been
submitted should become law, before the irish con
trbuton tic Imperial exchequer would be denounced
by the IRISH and reprobated as English trbutei
For my part | have no hesitation IN saying that
I think complete separation OF Ireland from
Great would be preferable TO the plan of govern.
ment that Ia. just been proposed. We shonld then
know the worst al once"
A. an alternative scheme, Mr. Trevelyan said he
would propose that the execution of the
law and the maintenance OF order should
be maintained IN the hands Of the
central Government Then he would propose tho crea'
ton OF certain local bodies which should be composed
OF freely elected These bodies should be in
trusted with ana held responsible for many Of the sub
ordinate functions government such providing for
education experimenting the details of local govern
nent providing for the relief o: the and forth
Mr.. PARStLL FINDS A FEW FAULTs.
At the conclusion Of Mr. Trevciy4n's speech Mr. Par
nell arose ami was received with cheers by the Irish
members He congratulated SIR. Trevelyan on having
like the French general who had successfully de-
Tended Paris, his own plan--a piaa however
fch much cntnnsiasn
in the House Mr. Trevelyan, he said. had stated why
lie had left the Government. but not why lie had re-
signed his post Chief Secretary. Cheers from the
irish benches Mi Parne then went on to justify his
past inter and action. which had been mpugned
by Mr. Trevclyan. Speaking OF America aud the
assassination literature which from America, Mr.
Paruel SAID that most Of tho literature
was neither American nor Irish literature ~ Mr.
Treveyan" he continued, 10 study the literature
Of America at this moment he would find that sympathy
for the nst settlement or the grievances Of Ireland by
tho concession of domestic legislature Is shown b. all
classes whether Irish natiye-born Americans,
and more especially that native born Americans are
welcoming the efforts OF Nj Gladstone Ia the belief
that they VIII bring peace between England and Ire
and and more especially between Irsh-Amercans aud
England It's remarkable fact that the great meetings
now being held in favor OF IN irish legislature
mainly called together and org1nizei by native.born
Americans by editors ana conductors OF lrhAmercan
uewspapers We regard the fact that during the last
five or six months, have succeeded In entirely gam
ing the sympathy " the two great parties IN America
the Democrats and the Repnbicans-as good omen
As to the bill before Tie House. while reservlng his fun
expression opinion until lac had the b Sir. Par
neil the House the fact that there
still living an English statesman who could devote
begged to thank Mr.. Gladstone for what
Would Inc mot 0 0 prove p when n. mgS'1 be
eyed would be found 10 0e Of equal benefit to England
The bill nevertheless contained blOs which the Irish
representatives would do their best to remove One OF
these DO found In the financial proposals OF the
bill which 10 Iegsrded as very uniaso[aD,e 10 ,read
exchequer lie also complained OF the popo
cp s"v S. hs two TO
that the first order consisting of peers not sub
power hanging up measures demanded by the people
and their representatives, for two Oh three years On tho
the would he cheerfully accepted by tho Irish
people and their representatives as satisfactory
solution of The lOng-sandng dispute between the two
cOuntres. and as tending 10 prosperity and peace in
Ireland and to satisfaction i'll England. tCheersl
MR. PLUNKET PREDICTS DEFEAT FOR GLADSTONE
The Right Hon David Robert Plunket. Conservative
member for Dublin University. said the bill
was one thst went much further than what
was usually spoken OF the repeal Of the union. and
he predicted that public opinion would regard the
measure with confederation and ALARM He felt assured
however. that the bill which was practically one
for le Ss sa never o he 0ppoon
How. he asked, were the cAeoks proposed by
disregarded by the Irish Parliament. and in what way
was the supremacy OF the Imperial Parliament TO be-
maintained lie disputed Mr. Gadstones statement that
for centuries OF six Ireland mad had her separate
legislature ana quoted statement made by Isaac Butt.
TO effect that during the time Of the Heurys and I'd
wards the Irish parliamcn hts con-
ventions, without deberatve or legislative powers.
The whole object OF the bili 20 develop natlOh-
atty ireland distnct possible from that which
found IN any other part Of the United Kingdom and
its first effect would be 10 drive enterprise
and capital out OF the country. Opposition
cheers The real foundation OF the bill was the fact
that the Prime Minister had barganed with the sepa-
rasi pary To give them this measure which. II carried
be u tho most fatal measures that had
been proposed In the interests Of tho Empire
TO TAKE PREcEDENCE OVER OTHER MATTERS.
On motion Of Mr. Chamberlain the debate was ad
journcd sir william Harcourt previously stating that
Mr. Gladstone would tomorrow to give the debate
precedence over other matters
Mr. Gladstone left the House ten minutes after con-
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