The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1886-11-28
TWO FAMOUS SOCIALISTS,
English Advocates of Revolutionary
Reform Visit indianapolis.
DR.. Ayeliug and Wife Address a Crowd at
TOmlinson Hall, and Strongly Denounce the
Conviction Of the Chicago Anarchists.


upon by Journal reporter yesterday afternoon.
They were at the Grand Hotel, and had just ar
rived from ST Louis. The Doctor is of medium
height smooth-faced and. Londoner born,
speaks with q strong cockney accent Mrs.
Aveling is the daughter Of the late Karl Marx,
the celebrated German Socialist She is rather
large woman, with strong features. and her
hair is cut at the neck, leaving q thick,
bushy, black shock. Her neck is long, and her
style of dressing gives her quite a Byronic air.
1--WE have been in the United States
said the Doctor, .since Sept 10.
We were invited by the Socialistic
Labor party, which is composed largely of Ger
mans. cut as there Is a considerable American
element, was invited to come and speak in En-
glish, while Mr. Liebknecht spoke in German.
desired my wife to come with me-frst because
we always work together in everything we pos
sibly can; secondly, because she is the daughter
of her father; thirdly. because a woman is es
pecially needed in this movement. The party
were good enough to say they would like to see
her, but not rich enough to pay her expenses.
They pay my expenses and her railroad ex-
penses ard nothing else There is an impression
that L am making great deal OF money, which
/ would like to have corrected Our object is to
make plain 30 the American people what social
lam really does mean and what it does not mean.
Though born In London, ! am an Irishman,
tracing my Irish blood through many genera
tions.n
and l." said Mrs. Avelng, lam partly of
Jewish blood. My father Jew and my
mother Enelishwoman. My father died in
London. March IA, 1888"
The subject of ages coming up, DR. Aveling
asked the reporter to guess as to his age. "Thr-
ty-fve. answered the reporter.
You are the best guesser have found.
shall be thirty-five years old day after to-mor
row. Most persons think NE older. | have
been actively engaged in socialism for the last
three or four years For some time before l
was connected with advanced movements in
science politics and religion, or rather anti-re.
ligion. 1t took me many years to find out that
the only really advanced movement was social
ism. OF course, was and am free-thinker, a
Darwnan we'll as q radical in politics.
There were fewer than 800 persons assembled
last night in Tomlinson Hall to hear DR.. Aveing
and wife. and of those there gathered it would
be liberal estimate to allow that half the num-
Der present were even nominally Socialists The
meeting opened with the singing of ''Die Fret
heit,' liberty by the Socalistic singing section.
Philip Rappaport. editor of the Tribune, then
introduced DIR. Aveling. saying:
II have been requested to preside at this meet
ing. / consider it an honor and do it with
pleasure, because as understand socialism, and
il diligent and attentive study of theory justi
fed it, may say believe do understand it, it
is the grandest humanitarian idea of our age.
It's scope is far greater than that
of any labor organization. 1t in
cudes all mankind. and its object is to spread
happiness among ALL There may be- individual
cases of happiness, but it Is 80 far from being
general that it may be considered not existing
at all Without large capital, it is i'm
possible to day to start proftably any business,
and surely, proportionately, very few Of those
who serve in the capacity Of clerks and statesmen
have a.sharce to eyer establish their own eusi.
ness Take even the manufacturer and the mer-
chant, constantly harassed by care, the hours in
which he is entirs " possessed of that pure and
general feeling of happiness in which the mind
is entirely free from everything which may mar
the enjoyment of the moment are very rare.
Not knowing what financial misfortune the next
morning may bring. We have acquired the habit
of absorbing every moment of to-day in the hunt
for wealth. being in constant fear that when
old age will forbid money making we may
not have enough fortunes that fortune may not
show a friendly face to our children. We think
OF nothing but money-making We think of
business when we rise in the morning, when we
take our meals, when we go to sleep. and, posi-
bly,, we dream OF business. consider
it most humane and benefceIt to helm in bring
ing about change in the economic con 1ition 8
of our people, and assist in creating conditions
which allow nobody to become very rich, nor
make 1t possible that any one may become very
poor, giving to every one the certainty of gain
ing comfortable living by moderate amount
Of work as free and independent being"
Doctor Aveling then came forward and after
long preface to the question, "What Is Social
ismW said: Socialism is an established science
as much as astronomy, botany or political econ
omy 1t is not anarchism. Scientific socialism
does not believe in anarchism. | am not going
to take up your time tonight explaining the diff.
ference between socialism and anarchism. My
business Ia to show the difference between So
cialism and capitalism Nothing OF anarchism
In its aims or in its ends can be accepted by us.
We are as antagonstic to anything called an
archism as to capitalism. But whilst we are
antiAnarchists, oppose the teachings of anarch-
ism and what are supposed to be the methods of
into America lifted our voices against ME trial
and the process Of trial, the sentence and the
verdict we have seen at Chicago in connection
gh tss A2Ss'ss ,hhs s AGO. Here half dozen
the last sI three month; xs Rsss pT5sia4
trial as pot fair one, that verdict as not based
UPON the evidence, and that sentence as not
justified by the proceedings of the trial. And
here tonight we are in the happy possession of
news saying that new trial is probable for the
Chicago Anarchists. Afte:' weeks and months of
agitation by men and women, there is prob
ability OF a new trial being granted and the
great olunder and crime of hanging those men
cannot occur for some time to come" [Slight
applause
Here the speaker read an editorial in the Indi-
annapolis News of Nov. 10 concerning the Anar
chists, and at some length denounced that news
paper as camorng for the blood of the CHICAGO
Anarchists. He then returned to the Anarchists
saying: I'VE claim those men have not been
tried, condemned or sentenced legally. and we
foreigners. instead of melting to resistance of
law, are claiming that the law in its majesty and
dignity shall be indicated. The central and
great scientific idea of socialism is the idea of
unpaid human labor Until the Socialists began
to teach and explain this. nobody understood
that great deal of the labor of today is not paid
for OF course we all know that wages are paid
to the laborer, but Socialists were the first to
point out that these wages are always less than
the value of the labor. This is the central no.
ton. No man can by any amount of
cannot make fortune by himself The only
way man can make fortune is not by
his own efforts but by the laboring
class and out of their unpaid labor AS conse-
quence of this system you have one class op-
pressed and the other comparatively happy
The canitalist class orrs thn iana IL 60 -