Los Angeles daily herald., 1886-04-14
NEWS OF THE WORLD.
Debate on the Gladstone
Bill.
THE PREMIER HOLDS HIS OWN
An English Earl Commits Suicide.
Croker Relieves u Boy
c0tted Widow.

Especial to the Herald bg Associated Press. !
LONDON, April ID. MIR. William Vernon
Harcourt, Chancellor Of the Exchequsr,
tonight resumed the debate ON the Irish
bill in the House Of Commons. He be-
gan by saying that those who con.
demned the governments measure failed
to state an acceptable alternative scheme.
Nobody accepted Mr. Trevelyan's plan.
Mr.. Chamberlain's project was in turn
repudiated by Lord Harrington and
Mr.. Trevelyn. Mr.. Chamberlain has
propounded scheme Of great impor-
| tance. but that scheme has never been
submitted to the government. Inc
speaker tainted the opponents OF GLAD
stones measures with having no basis
for agreement on the Irish policy. Did
Mr. Goschen, he asked, approve Mr..
.Ehamberlain's plan for a central council
4 Dublip for the supervision OF eyictionsl
Had the Conservative leaders any policy
except the condemnation of Mr.. Glad
tones scheme. There was no alterna-
live TO the plan OF the gov.
brnment, except the severest coercion"
'Reference, continued the speaker, has
been made to the Irish in America. This
House cannot for a moment be infiu-
enced by the action of dastardiy assassins
like Ford and others, but the irish ma
ition In America is as numerous as the
Irish are at home, and all possess the
same instinct and the same sympathies.
They have not been parties to the ac-
tious Of assassins. Hear, hear.l These
actions of assassns receive universal con
demnation from the people of the United
States. Irish and Liberal cheers.l But
if you reject this bill do you believe, are
YOU sure. that there win not be sympa-
thv with those assassins and their
schemes? Misses and cries OF "Ohl
Ohp1 l believe there will be universal
condemnation and disapprobation from
right thinking people, both Irish and
American, of such treatment oil the Irish
people" Irish cheers.l
In the course OF an energetic speech
Mr.. Goschen contended that there was
no analogy between the position oil Ire
land and England and that OF Norway
and Sweden, or Austria aud Hungary.
Irish and English interests. he said,
were 80 interlaced that when they come
to the finance question they would find
it difficult to decide whether the income
to be taxed was English or Irish. Their
interests could not be disassociated. In
conclusion Goschen denied that firmness
could be called coercion, and said that
there would be no repression If there
was no crime. The responsibility OF
weakening the ties which united the
British Islands rested with the Premier
aud his followers. Those resisting the
breaking up OF the empire must close up
their ranks and shoulder TO shoulder re-
sist the bill. Enthusiastic cheeriDg.l
Mr.. Gladstone replied at considerable
length. He denied that the safeguards
provided in the bill were dictated by
the distrust OF the Irish people. On the
contrary, they were inserted IN conse-
quence Of the mistrust that was felt by
others. Mr.. Gladstone argued that the
fundamental fear of those who attack the
Home Rule measure was that the Irish
people would necessarily do wrong, and
Tint the administration Of the country
would necessarily be changed. [Cries of
hear, hear.l In regard to the question
as TO the power OF veto he stated that
there was no Limitation to that propo-
sition, and in reference to the income
tax, he said that would necessarily be as
separate in Ireland as it would be in
England. OF the bill generally he said
il proposed to give to the Irish people q
reasonable satisfaction Of their demand
without Initiating the examples set by
the former government IN the case OF
America. He ridiculed the fear that
had been expressed MS to further de-
mands on the part Of Irish members IL
this bill were passed, and as to the ques'
ton OF there having been no mandate
for this measure, he contended that in
asmuch as there had been no mandate
for coercion or for maintaining the law,
no mandate was necessary for proposals
to strengthen the means Of maintaining
the law. He compared the criticisms ON
the bill and pointed out that no one
speech agreed with another, and speak
ing OF the measure as a plan, he re-
marked that it might be improved, but
at any rate it covered the field as it also
did the subject loud cheers). The mo-
ton that leave be given to INTRODUCES was
put by the speaker and agreed to with
out division amid protraeted and enthu'
siastic cheers.