The Daily bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Hawaii]) 1882-1895, 1886-08-28

about Mr.. Gregg or his acts, but
remembered that there was great
deal of opposition to him, he being
ultimately driven out of the coun-
try, probably on account of this
very thing of borrowing money with
out authorization Ivy law. The
principal argument for this borrow
ing was that of emergency, yet no
emergency had been shown. In
the case of former Government
loaning money, if they did so with
out authority of the Privy Council it
was an illegal act; but if they had
such authority, it was justitiable,
for the situation was one of emer-
gency. Had the Ministers loaned
that money without authority, they
would have been personally reponsi-
BILE for it in case of loss, unless in
Identified by act of the Legislature.
Discretion in executing the law was
entirely different from deliberately
violating the law. The policy and
sentiment of the Government of this
country for. twenty years had been
that the Ministry should receive
authority from the Legislature to
negotiate loans. If anything was
settled by the action of former Min
istries and Legislatures, and the
well-understood sentiment of the
country, it was that the borrowing
of money was vested in the Legisla-
ture. He had heard very little, if
any, argument against this resolu-
ton. 1t was not shown to be per-
sonally Vindictive or malicious, and
if indefinitely postponed, it amount
ed to giving the Ministry license to
borrow as much as they pleased, in
which case the Legislature might as
well shut up shop.
Rep. Kalua moved the ayes and
noes be called, which carried, and
the resolution was indefinitely post
poned on the following division
Ayes-Gibson, Creighton, Kanoa,
Dare, kuihelani, Macfarlane, Hay
selden, Keau, Lilikalani, Baker,
Amara. Kaulia, Kaulukou, Pahia,
Kaunamano, Nahale, Nahum, Aholo,
Kaukau, Kaai and Palohau-21.
Noes-Bishop, Wilder, Bush,
Kaae, Martin, Parker, Brown,
Wight, Kauhane, Kalua, Richard
son, Castle, Dickey, Thurston, Pae-
haole, and Dole-16.
Rep. Kauhi, who, with Noble Kui-
helani, at first voted "doubtful, :"
was still in doubt when called a
second time.
Rep. Dickey objected to the votes
of the Ministers being recorded, as
they were interested.
QUESTION.
Rep. Thurston propounded the fol-
lowing question to the Minister of
the Interior:
WHEREAS, 1t was stated by your
self this morning that certain tenn
porary loans made by the Govern
ment had been repaid with cash, and
certain of such loans had been can
celed by the transfer of lands,
please state, 1st, the date of each
transfer of land, for such purpose;
I'd, the name of person, or persons,
or company, to whom each of
such transfers were made; Sd, the
name and locality Of each land or
piece of land so transferred; 4th,
the amount of the Indebtedness can
celed by each of said transfers.
NATIONAL LOAN BILL.
Rep. Thurston presented the fol-
lowing report from the Special Com
mittee on the Loan bill:
Hon. j, S. WALKER, President
Legislative Assembly, Sir:-Your
special committee to whom was re-
ferred bill introduced by His Ex-
cellencyW. M. Gibson, entitled San
Act to authorize n national loan, and
to define the use to which the money
borrowed shall be applied" report
that they have considered the same.
In view of the fact that the intro
Queer of said bill has, on behalf of
the Government, and since the in
PRODUCTION of such bill, stated to the
Assembly that the Government no
longer considered loan necessary,
and that no change of such policy
has since been announced by the
Government, your committee do not
deem 1t incumbent upon them, or
advisable, TO make any recommend
alton concerning said bill, and there
fore return the same to the Assem-
bly, without recommendation.
J.. A. THURsToN, Chairman.
CHAs. r. BISHOP,
A. S. CLEGHoRN.
Minister Dare, member of the
committee, gave his reasons for not
signing the report.
Minister Gibson, also a member of
the committee, while concurring in
the report did not sign. AS the
Loan bill was the order of the day
for Friday, he should reserve his re-
marks until then.
Rep. Brown moved the report be
adopted and the committee dis
charged. When the Loan bill was
first introduced he favored it, but.
since then he had heard the Govern
ment did not want loan, so had
changed his mind,
Rep. Kaulukou moved the report