Telegram-herald., 1886-06-08

/ Hfl4ElesI lel alse they have uaf --eu falc-
tli il booking al tle @n-et ei
4 rleir i4lzlaEe 4aa tlr lactlilr 70
I Indirect resI1nsialllg las been employ ei
against them O. fne extent ~ lmprisou-
/ mear ltth4t aoefriiie of indirect re,pslsi-
1llrF ssr1 Cd be employed against Lori
Churchill aud Mr ChaMberlafu thlreHllI
/ 18zll e. plead rle excuse Llar ue believes
il nothing and l0Dpdy blt himself I'D tLat
L be- ealil llr expect ans great lmpor ailer 90
/ se attached to bis declarations while Mr.
/ Chamberlain mizar sag and say very Tlig
I flsr be ls absolutely Ignorant oi all the
I cir.lusrauaas 9f Ireland bis ~ ebrated
protected Visit there As- Aulumn u9r
/ having come QE alI he really could
aot kn0s what would be the
erect 0f tls language. However NE have
rae result uoR in one murder already COM
m'fled 20 Belfast. aud / tru-t la The iulare
members sUl remember the Importance
I fud gravity 0i occurrences which may f1l-
los iu ister Those occurrences cannot
- further. tle outside. than outrage aud
assassi nation. bul wLl depend very mucl
lpon Shaf is said on This subject, aud the
amouur VI Importance given 90 the d1ings
oi lster men We DO SAY aud admit
that these occurrences are % De- c0u-
demned and shou.d be stopped but
Wblle Lord Churchill and Nr. GJscheu
say they must be plt 90 an end nF resorting
ro coercion which they and their friends
have been using for the last eighty six
fear. would say with Mr. Gladstone
/ 'lrF Inc effect Ol SELF zOrernmvnt' LCheers
Then % tie Kerry men resort % outrage
they will very soon ind that the re-t Of
Ire and viii pu- stop % II. Re
neNed cheers Mr G0schen has ref, rred
t0 recent events Ia UisGer. Dut before deal
Bita fuat terrible matter | WISH O. give an
explanation because. as usual. one Of the
EuZlisu newspapers perverted fJr lis own
purposes what believe actually took place
Tremendous Irish cheers | am panied
to see that the struggle j. alleged % have
arisen 0ut OF an expression used by a
Catholic 20 fellow workman who was a
Protestant 10 the effect that in 4 short time
none Of his persuasion would be allowed %
earn a crusS Of bread I'M Ireland. That.
however, does. accurately represent all
the facts rep0rtel in the local
newspaper lCheers and counter cheers.
According To them what took place
vas this. An Overseer of the works found
fault With the way ia which an Orangeman.
Or at all events Protestant workman, was
digging a drain. The overscer said. That
is nice way 70 DO work. WhereupOn the
Orangemau replied 90 the overseer. who
happened ID be a Catholic What does a
Papist know about digging drains
Laughter The Overseer irritated-I
don't saw Justly irritated. because il was
aosard for him 20 have been irritated by
such a rem2rS-sa'd 10 the Oangeman:
You will never earn another crust of bread
~ these works, meaning that he dis
missed. ThereupOn the Orangeman took
his shovel and left his work. believe as
he was going out he vac assaulted bv one
or more Of the wOrkmen. Derislve laugh
ter II j very difficult 20 know what ex-
actly took place. but il Is of great i'm
pOriance that the House should un-
derstand the remark in question. IL
had not a general application bur
onlv an Individual one Mr. Goschem spoke
about the sovereignty OF Parliament. |
agree with the definition given by Mr..
Bryce. We know perfectly well the differ
ence between coordinate and a subOr1i-
nate parliament We know that the legs-
lature which the Premier wishes 70 construct
is a subordinate parliament, not like
Graitan's which was cO-equal Mr.. Glad
Stone" Hear. hear. arising ont OF the
same constitution and in the same manner
as this Parliament, given by the sovereign.
Ministerial cheers. We understand this
perfectly well, aud we should undoubtedly
nave preferred. as ] stated upon the occasion
of the Introduction of the bill as
showing that I could not accept this
as a final settlement or the question.
the Graftan parliament. PaTneiite cheers.
Il would have been more in accord with
the sentiments of the Irish people. At the
same time arm bound 20 say If / preferred
the Grattan Parliament there are practical
advantage i'm the proposals before us
which limit and subordinate the Parlia-
ment % that m which we now sit 10 may
be of even greater advantage 20 the Irish
people than a parliament ike Gralian's and
l. H.I
Of the question. Grattan's parliament
bad many disadvantage. First. il bad
the House Of Lords laughterl We get nd
of the House OF Lords under Mr. Gladst0ne's
constitution. True. there is 10 ne in It's
place the urst order. a very salutary prOvis-
ion. don't pledge myself 90 al rs detals
and qualifications. bat say generally. thgt
the first order is a very salutary provision.
which viii tend 20 prevent rash legislation
aud immediate action I would rather SEE
a bill hung gp f0- ten years by body Ike
the first order in Ireland than to
sce II hung up for a single twenty-fo four
hours by the Imperial Parliament
venture 90 express the opinion that the
existent action 0f the Imperial Parliament
as c0nsta 20 means of overseeing as IS suZ-
Eesfei hy Mr Chamberlain would not have
the same success and would not be So
acceptable to the Irish people as the
measure nov proposed. lnleet Nr. Cham
oeriains proposals. would. believe. be
mischievious and dangerous ard would
prevent any sentiment being arrived at that
Nuuid be satisfactory ro the Irish people
On che other hand when we hsve assembled
in oar own chamber in Ireland the diff
fsreuf ser Ions 0f fhs Irish people and those
causes and effects which al WAYS arise Will
come into operation again and vii lead 10
ss'liactorv results Tie result a. The two
orfiers Vorsing together in fhe same cham-
Der vii enable lzreat questions 20 be settled
on a basis q compromise more 1r less satis
factory fa 81 parties We understand per
fecfiy well thst The Imperial Parliament
has ultimate supremacy and ultimate
sovereignty J F1ife agree win Ir. Clad
stone s0i thi7S tf 0ue 0f The most valuable
parts ~ fhe biil I quite agree with that
That vhica Mr Gladstone offers namely.
Toe rsspausihiHtv 81 maintaining order fn
Ireland hY sn Irish Parliament is o9rreft
provision which ~ ~ssfe could exist ylfh
orr Iirsh r1ee-s faa surrtmaev ~
taa irnuerisi Z Ftr.5anent hr TeFer. will n0t
be tf-cfe or rhis 81 tha lr.s1 pary ex-
ecuie fhe powers given 90 i- whia iH some
cases f mav he renlFrfsi mere
elective lasn eVer. in aeCepHrE tha
afI Te aecer5 honorable ns' rgarfess sa3 ~
0ie.iSs 0urse YES f.r fne lrish peonie ss fa-
ts - ra1 pledge ourselves llerisi re cheers
thst the bowers given 81 1s sha nos ne
ahuse.l tfaiev1te e. the energy aai shfiir
vs posssss snd a. the influence We may
have Win oar people CD prevent them from
sbns1E fha covers entrusted CD then
eneers' aad -tat if souses a. take place
ihs Imperi8i Par .surenf nav iniervera ia
r&ses ~ E-av- enerEeucv faa a8rP fhe
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