New-York tribune., 1886-04-23

| ton for tho settlement OF contentious between on
ployers aud employees. Give ~ the results ann expo
ence OF yonr observations as to how that principe ca
be carried out practically.
Mr. GouId-Arbtration Is getting to be very ems
ana popular Of settling difficulties between inh
vduas aud corporations. and between corporations am
tser lvdua employees have always been III iaVo
Mr. Burncs-IIave you considered tho question as Il
whether there Is mode By which the whole WORKING
lorce oI railroad can DO put under tue controi OF h
| people
Mr. Goud-Yea. sir. Tho laws do that now. Th'
dhcuty is only In forcing them You sec that on rOad
operated by receivers strikes rapidly overcome, be
cause there Is respect for the United states courts The
nu9iIc mas right To have railroads operated Any LAW
which defines that right complies with its provision:
tor arbitration would DO practical solution Of tho ques
struck ana seized the property OF railroad company
IL should DO tho duty of the to keep on at their
work. ralroal IL not merely the rails, ties, gradlngs
locomotives aud cars. but 1t Is the whole thing IL Is the
dlty oi somebody 10 manage It,
Mr. Burncs-Might not the general government
license and thereby govern and control the officials Of
raf0ad-from the superintendent downi
pMr GouldI think the officials assume that to be their
uny now. IL might be made more distinct by some
enactment and then. any Injustice be DONE there should
be mode Of arbitration. have been always favor
OF that think tho Government should have such night
to govern and control railroads as TO have troubles
arDraed. even without consulting tho companies its
employees.
Mr.. Burnes-You mean compulsory arbitration
Mr. Goud-Public opinion on these questions Is all
powerful; Pcrhap- voluntary arbitration would have
greater effect ian compulsory arbitration.
Mr.. Bnrnes-And yet, for some reasOn you and Nj.
Powderly and Mr.. Mcdowell in consultation and
endeayorng 10 bring about settlement of alleged
grievances and It was not brought about
Mr.. Gould Oh | endeavOrng to do that
Mr. Burnes-Hon were not endeavorlng to atbitrate ;
Mr.. Gould-No, sir. We met individuals to have a
talk over the situation The matter was in Mr.. Hoxie's
hands aud never changed 1t IN any shape or FORM
Mr. Burnes-Why were not your views that are
friendly to arbitration carried out at st. Louis
Mr. GOuld-lr. HoXie has leen always ready TO carry
Them out That has always been our policy
we are ready to arbitrate any grievances between
the company ana its employees. But the inter
pretation which Mr. Powdery put upon 1t was that the
knights OF Labor In and this arbi-
,Taton Ihere are ten thousand men employed by the
Missouri Pacific Company who not members OF that
order Dnt are members o. other organlzations when
terminated term our relations with tue KNIGHTS OF Labor:
They had taken possession OF our road Then there was
new dea; We put them on a different footlDg we
took pack the men, but took them back as individuals
Labor or Methodists or Baptsts anything else We
did not propose to deal with knights OF Labor As an or
Burnes called attention To the order in
the testimony yesterday directing that Knights OF
Labor should be eempoyed as foremen
Mr.. Could denied any know OF that order. bnt
justified II on the principle OF not putting guard any
last words slid to Mr.. Powdery were: 'Mr. Powder
ly. If you have any grievances you may come to my
Mcdowell. Come YOURSELF was overrnn with people
osald to me: Look out for Mcdowell. You Will
have him presenting you with bill tomorrow or
10000 for settling this strike and he Will put 1t In TIE
hands OF a Lawyer and sue yon.'"
After the recess the examination or Mr. Gould was
resumed. He asked by Mr. Grain 10 the ways
out Of proportion to the work done but Mr. Could de-
MED any knowledge OF suck dark and questionable
transactions. He asked his opinion rs to the cause
the desire Of of the leaders TO obtain nOtorety
and consequence He had heard OF and did not
believe In such of complaint as Mr., Powdery
alluded to in the first days testimony such as the
cheating OF employees In the matter or hospital
taxation, honesteads and stores belonging tc supern-
endcnts and foremen. such statements were ridiculous
lie was asked by Mr cultivate as To STOCK specuiaohS
growing ont OF the strike and lie said he knew nothing
OF the Kind and that so far a. he was himself concerned
ne hau not pade transaction III STOCK either iong OF
short since the Isl OF January, and had no speculative
Interest IN the market He Was sure that none o. the
directors OF the Missouri Pacific had any dealings In the
stock OF the ROAD on the days following his interview
Mr outhwaite-what injury could have to tho
comrany II 1t had accepted and acted upon Mr. Pow
Mr.. Gould-I do not know what subject their arbitra
tlon would cover II 1t covered the question whether
the strike. we would not admit that to be subject of
arbitration.
to have any arbitration effort settle any
difficulties with Knights OF Labor VINO had struck or
were out of Your employment at the time. Was that
the understanding!
Mr. Gould-Ycs; that is It distinctly.
hr. Burnes inquired AS to the relations or the MIS-
souri, Pacific with the other railroads incorporated
In the system, AS to the amount OF stock and bonds
Issued, and other connected with the
pany which Information Mr.. Gould promised to furnish
hereafter Mr. Burnes also inquired as to the general
the general effects were beneficial TO the public, be.
cause without 1t most IL not all. the railroads OF the
country would he in the hands OF receivers
Mr.. Burnes-Why would that be the result
Mr. Gould-Because of low rates from excessive CON-
Mr Burnes-Tben competition not the life of trade
wages would have To be cut down s 30 per cent
Mr. Gould-(good humoredly) shall be very glad to
read the opinion of the committee when formal report
Is arrived at; and Will keep any investments may
have to make IN allegiance until then.
The Chairman-I hardly think you will do that II you
get fair opportunity TO have shy at Wall Street, and
would like to be In partnership with you.
This closed Mr. GOud's examination. Mr. Hopkins.
he vice president OF the Missouri Pacific, then
sworn and examined He corroborated generally Mr. |
ioulds account OF the interviews with Mr.. Powderly
" which he present.
He asked 10 whether he had any knowledge OF
Wall Street speculations connection with the strike;
'u all tna he knew on that point was that no had been
Informed that persons connected with Knights OF Labor
lad been noticed In bankers Offices He promised TO
i've the names OF such persons had been mentioned
0 him IN that connection.
At time in his testimony Mr.. Gould, speaking Of
lis conference with the Western strikers last year. said:
The impression seemed to be that practically
rolled all the railroads In the United states that the
nd not rise the moon set without sanction VI
line."