The Hawaiian gazette. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1865-1918, 1886-06-08

General objected to any argument saving that thl
only course was for the member to appeal fTou
/ the decision of the chair.
Representative Thurston submitted 10 the de
, cision of the chair aud continued saying
By the wording of the resolution the idea i coz
viewed that have especially insulted the Ministel
of Finance. In the amendment which vas offered
to the bill then under discussion, and which is al
legged to be an insult, the Ministers mentioned
as a whole. When the Minister Of Finance intro
duced this resolution, who told him that in NOV.
ing to exempt the Ministers from the privilege OF
buying liquor especially meant him Mr.. Pre-.
sident, there is accuser like guilty conscience
The intuition of the Minister of Finance has been
so keen, that following its lead hereby express
ly state that il The Minister Of Foreign Affairs OF
Interior and the Attorney General had constituted
the Cabinet, shoald have offered no amendment
| and these remarks would have been unnecessary.
If in any general remarks that have been made,
day or previously any Minister has thought that tie
coat fitted him well that he has felt obliged 10
put ii on, exceedingly regret it. If any Minister
has felt that the coat did not fit him, but has had
his feelings aggrieved by the thought that other
people might put it on for him, am sorry that |
should have thus inferentally aggrieved him. and il
such Minister there be / hereby apologies to him.
SIN aupht which have said either to-day OF pre-
yiousy, either on the oorof this Assembly else
where, deny that il has been said with intent to
insult this Assembly or any member Of It. re-
coCnize. Mr. President, as fully as any member Of
this House. the fact that the way in which the
amendment complained of was introduced is TN
parliamentary in that II contained the inference
that the Ministers were unfit to be allowed the
free use OF intoxicating liquors. SO far as peT-
sOnaly know, that statement or suggestion should
not have been made concerning all of them; ut the
time It was made had no thought in my mind of
any other than the Minister of Finance, ard had
no intent to direct 1t to any other than he As the
intent is the gist of every offence, and had no
intent TO offend the other members of the Cabinet
| | submit to those Ministers and 10 the Assembly,
that with this explanation, what might otherwise
| have been considered an insult, Is no insult and
owe them no further apology.
| ''As TO the Minister of Finance, John NJ. Kapeua,
| / deny that have iusulted him through him
the House, and deny that owe him an apology.
| Whatever / have said and Whatever may say
| concerning him. is not insult to this Assembly
but in defence OF its honor and the honor of the
nation.
Representative Keau here interrupted asking
Rep. Thurston for the floor, as he desired to speak
on the subject.
Representative Ihurston declined to give mp the
| floor permit the member to speak at present
| unless il was to make point of order.
| President Walker (rapping) informed Rep. keau
| that Rep. Thurston had the floor and unless he
! lKeaut rose TO point OF order he must refrain
! from interruptiug.
Representative Keau, prompted 10y several mem
| bers, said that he had point of order but his
| explanation was 50 diaphanuus that the President
ruled him out of order and Rep. Thurston again
| continued, as follows:
"In the words charged to be insulting, the point
complained of is, that the inference can be drawn
therefrom that the Minister of Finance Is unfit to
| have the free use of intoxicating liquor. The
Attorney General dared me the other day to repeat
| my remarks or TO mention any names. l declined
his dare" then, but take itup now. l have
| charged in public print over my own signature
that the Minister of Finance was in an intoxicated
| condition on the floor of the House that day,
and nobody has denied 1t, in this House or out of
| it, and nobody can deny 1t. / hereby specifically
| repeat that charge. There he stood on that day
| bearing the commission Of HIS Majesty the King;
the chief of Department In this Government;
| the guardian, under solemn oath before Almighty
e naf tf1n cfanF aff
destinies of this nation. There he stood Minis,
ter of the Crown in such condition that he OK
| cited the open contempt and ieers of the members
of his own party discussing before this house the
meaning of the words "habitual drunkard,' stat
| ing that they of no use in the statute, as
one could tell what habitual drunkard was that
| being matter of opinion. 1t was at that moment
that, filled Will feeling of unutterable disgust
arose and offered the amendment which l did.
! (CommOtiOn).
us that the man owe an apology 10, and is the
offence for which l am to be Inundated before
| this Assembly the making of statement which
conveys an inference that he is not to be trusted
| with the use Of intoxicating liquors: he Is the
man who owes this house an apology. have
/ made charges and mentioned names specifically
enough TO meet the desire of the Attorney General
/ hope; and l challenge denial or an investiga-
/ ton of them.
''Nir. President and gentlemen: In so far as
/ feed that have transgressed, have obeyed tho
mandate of this house and made what reparatiOn
| could. But when am asked to apologize to the
Minister of Finance, feel that l would stultify
my honor and degrade this house by doing SO, and
1 therefore respectfully request that you will ex
cuse me, when-I decline to do 50.
Representative Keau took the floor after Re
preventative Ihurston had ended and was giving
his opinion on the apology made by the latter
when he was interrupted by Representative Brown
who rose to a point of order in that there was
nothing before the Assembly.
President Walker considered the point we'll
taken and requested Representative Keau to take
his seat.
Representative Keau objected to the ruling and
was again preceding to speak when he was again IN
terrupted by Representative Brown who stated
that, before Representative Kedu could retain the
floor he must appeal to the Assembly from the
ruling of the chair. Representative Keau declared
his intention TO SO do.
President Walker said that he though; the appeal
most extraordinary and desired, before put
ting the question on the appeal, to have the mem
Der state shat he considered was before the AS
sembly.
Representative Keau said that Representative
Thurston's apology was before the Assembly for
consideration.
nothing Mt present before the assembly for con
sideration. He had reported as a committee of
one on the matter placed in his charge by the AS
sembly.
Representative Kdulukou considered that saoh
being the case, then he would move that the re-
port be rejected.
Representative Brown did not consider the
apology of Representative Thurston IN the light OF
a report of a committee; the statement made was
in compliance with mandate of the Assembly:
this had been answered and Obeyed.
Representative Keau, who had remained stand
ing, was requested by the President 10 take his
seat and the same was complied with. The Presid-
eut then stated that he considered all that could
now be in order would be motions TO either accept
or reject the apology, as made.
Representative Kaulukou moved that the apology
be rejected; seconded by the Minister of Foreign
Affairs.
Representative Aholo said that he considered
Honolulu ,Keau) had declared his intention to
appeal from the decision of the chair. The ap-
peal be drought was the proper thing to be now
considered
Representative Keau again rose and stated that,
1t was his intention to have made n motion that
the opology be accepted he now made that mo-
ton.
The Attorney General (facetously) desired to
known if the apology was not accepted would it
be protested for non-acceptAnce. CLaughter)
Representative AEolo said that he had listened
to the statement of the member from Mookai and
of the opinion that sufficient apology had
been made Apology had been made so far as the
House and three of the Ministers were concerned |
but. to the Minister lof Financel who bad pres
ented the resolution an apology was declined, |
therefore the intention of the resolution was not
complied with, he thought that maybe the men, |
bers might make up their minds to forgive the |
offending member although lie had not displayed |
a truly contrite spirit. He considered the motion
made by Representative keau such as any |
small boy might have made.
Representative PalOhau was not satisfied with |
the manner in which the apology was delivered |
The member had talked loud and had not acted rs |
penitent person would have DONE When man |
was sorry for an act his voice was low AMI bis |
manner humble, but maybe the mannerisms no |
ticed were peculiarities of the member from No |
lokai and he could not act differently. He thought
the ceuchinG of the fist and striking on the desk
rather too expressive lie never noticed the mem |
Der from Lihue (Dole) do anything like that
Representative Dole said that, to him it appear !
ed rs if some of the members would not DO salts |
fed unles Rep. Thurston came in on his hands |
aud knees with his apology. he thoght that 1t |
would be advisable that the member from Laha-
ina Aholo) be made committee Of one to as |
sertain if proper apology had been made.
motion 10 adjourn was now made, the hour l
being 1905 o'clock, but before putting the same
the President read a communication from the |
Trustees of kaRaiahao Female Seminary inviting /
the Assembly to be present at an exhibition, by |
the scholars of the institution, ut l30 O'Clock on
tho afternoon of June Pad.
The Assembly then adjourud until l.3O PM
AFTERNOON.
The Assembly reconvened promptly at the hour
set and discussion on the apology offered by Rep. |
Ihurston was continued.
Representative Kaulukou after again moving |
that the apology be not accepted spoke ut some !
length in answer to the remarks Of Rep. Thurston
regarding himself.
The Minister Of Foreign AfIirs again seconded |
the motion of Rep kaulGkou and said that he did |