St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1886-07-18
UNPROTECTED WOMEN,
1T WAS DISCUSS ED.
Prominent PersOnages Give Their
Views on GOV. EEOadly,s Topic.

Views on GOV. Hoadly's Topic.
Ev-Gov. Marshall of Minnesota was
called on for opening the discussion. He
explained how Gov. Hubbard had been
called away and he few minutes before
been called upon. He said:
! regret that what shall say I shall differ
very materially with Gov. Hoadly. can only
speak OF my limited experience as governor
of Minnesota. there being only twenty pris-
oners in confinement when took the Office.
regard some of the exercises of authority by
me while governor as the most satisfactory of
my life. In those days we had few profess
siona1 criminals, most crimes being from
drunkenness for sudden passion. Only once
had Gov. Marshall signed death warrant, and
subsequently regretted 1t. I exercised, con-
cluded he, the pardoning point so freely that
| brought on myself criticism. We had few
convicts. Out of forty pardoned eight OF
course l could inquire into all cases care
fully. In Ohio, with its LOO convicts, to
pardon as literally as did would have liber-
ated 800. 1t seems to me that the theory of
Gen. Hoadly that this power should only be
exercised when the prisoner has been wrong
fully sentenced is wrong, aud that if the work
Of This conference is fou nded ON this il shuts
off the opportunity for reform, which Is what
is taught. At least 90 per cent. of all crimes
have their origin in drunkenness a species OF
temporary insanity. l do not think that our
civilization has advanced far beyond the
borders of barbarism. In case of murder
the whole community is stirred up. During
the four years was exercising the pardoning
power so freely there was not case of
lynching in the state.
GEN. BRINCKERHoFF.
Gen. r. Brinckerhoff of Ohio said he
heartily approved of Gov. Hoadlys senti-
ments, and l don't want to be considered
harsh to prisoners. In Ohio he had the
reputation of trying to make soft place
for prisoners. Though he didn't want to
be governor; if governor, he might exercise
the pardoning power more rigidly than
Gov. HOadly. 1t was not the severity of
punishment but the certainty of it that
prevented crime. The solution of this
question had been begun in Ohio by the
parole, but they were seeking law for in
determinate sentences. He wanted man
sent to prison as to the insane asylum-to
be cured.
F. II. Wines of Illinois said that this was
a puzzling question. In the minds of many
men the indeterminate sentence was re-
garded as overthrowing every principle of
law, but the decision of the Ohio supreme
court had. the speaker thought,
done much to settle this mat
ter. The indeterminate sentence
might have a minimum but no maximum,
which was the tendency of the public mind
on the question. He asked Gov Hoadly
to explain whether a parole in Ohio was a
pardon. Gov. Hoadly said that in a tech
nical legal sense the power of pardon did
not include the power to parole, the pris-
oner when in prison was still legally in the
prison, which was enlarged to include the
whole state. He further explained the law
in Ohio where each judge of common pleas
had power to inflict indeterminate SEN
fences involving the minimum of the de-
terminate sentence. the prison board having
authority to fix the maximum of indeterm-
mate sentences.
RABBI sOUNEsCHEIN.
Rabbi Souneschein said he would like as
a layman to draw the line. If he under
stood the pardoning power, it meant the
power of fOrgiving and nothing else. He
made a broad distinction between forgiving
crime and releasing the criminal from the
consequences. He eloquently defined the
governor as the incarnation of the peoples
power, and the voice of the people as the
voice of God. To learn the operation of
the pard0ning power students should go to
Europe. He explained how England and
Hungary were the only monarchils in
which the crowns pardoning powers were
limited. Suppose committee of Gen.
Hayes and two others be appointed to COM
nunicate with the crowned heads of Europe
on the operation of the pardoning power.
and perhaps the divine right of kings
could be imported into America.
DR.. Byers of Ohio was called out and in
his peculiar way told some humorous Incl
dents connected with obtaining pardons.
He would not have the pardoning power
exist, as it was an incentive of crime. If
an innocent man had been convicted he
did net need the pardoning power, but
simply reversal of judgment He depre-
Gated frequent political changes in prison
officers, which was a great difficulty before
the successful operation of the parole and
indetrimnate sentence.
Rev. E. G. Brooks. chaplain of the Col
orado prison, spoke in commentator of
DIR. Byers' sentiments.
Dr.-Dana announced. among other things.