The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1886-05-28

tha town of Swansea, rose and declared that he
had been authorized to sneak for the Welsh dis
sidents under certain contingencies. He now
felt justified in making declaration. and that
were acceptable to the Welsh dissidents and
were by them accepted. and he Mr. Dillwyn]
now assured Mr.. Gladstone of the united sup
port of all the Welsh members.
Among the speakers who announced their
approval of Mr.. Giadstone's position were Mr..
Joseph Arch, the protege of Mr.. Chamberlain.
Radical, agricultural member for northwest
Norfolk; Mr.. John, Brinton, Liberal, member
Tor Kidderminster; Joseph Rushlon. Liberal
member for Lincoln city; William Rath bone,
Liberal member for the Arfou division of Car
narvonshre, and a number OF others.
The meeting adjourned with three cheers for
Mr.. Gladstone. There was great crowd assem-
bled outside the building. The Premiers ad-
dress was frequently greeted by his audience
with bursts of applause, which were heard by
che outside crowd and re-echoed by cheers.
This evening some of the Liberals who at
tended the meeting say that they do not believe
that the concessions promised By Mr. Gladstone,
although very great, will secure Mr.. Chamber
lains support.
The Pail Mall Gazette precedes its account Of
the meeting with the following headlines THE
Gieadites at the Foreign Office ''The Ephraim-
ties submit to new shibboleth;' "The Irish Par
lament will rend the Liberal party in twain
s'Hartingtons secession and all that it implies
will cost the Liberals the next election "The
COmOoHSatf0Q, Liberals
must eat grass in the wilderness before they re-
acquire the position they gained in 1880, when
Gladstone and Harrington rode for the last time
at the head of the United Wings. Radicals and
Home-rulersr
Mr. Chamberlain and his followers will hold
another meeting tomorrow to decide upon their
attitude with reference to the proposed modifica-
tions of the home rule bill.
In the House of Commons, this evening, Mr..
Norris, Conservative, asked whether the govern
fof;1 ded t1ou Irsch Iond
purchase bills as inseparably connected.
Mr. Gladstone replied that he had nothing to
add to the speech which he had made when he
introduced the land-purchase bill.
Hereupon DIR. Chamberlain and his followers
retired to the lobby TO discuss Mr. Gladstones
announcement
Sir Michael Hicks Beach, Conservative, asked
Mr.. Gladstone to repeat the statement which ne
made at the Liberal meeting to-day with refer
to the modification of the home-rule bill,
and the postponement of the bill after the second
reading.
Mr.. Gladstone replied that he could not under
take to repeat the statement. as it would re-
Qure three quarters of an hour.
Sir Michael then asked the nature of the pro-
posed notifications, if any were intended.
Mr.. Gladstone replied that there was no
change which he could state in few words.
He said that he had informed the Liberal meet
ing to-day of the views of the government in re-
ard to the second reading of the BILL and the
governments course thereafter.
Suppose continued Sir Michael, "that the
some-rule bill be read the second time, would it
laen be withdrawn
Mr.. Gladstone answered that, ia such an
event. he would not ask the House to continue
confederation of the bill during the present SEES
sion.
The Parnellites are divided with reference to
the retention of irish members at Westminster.
AL are opposed to separate session for the dis
eossion of the home-rule bill. They do not OBJ
1ectto the holding of a session in the autumn,
provided it be in continuation of the present
sion.
1t is estimated in the lobby that twenty votes
are still required in order to pass the bill. The
skirmish between Sir Michael Hicks Beach and
Mr.. Gladstone in the House of Commons to-
night has produced some reaction among the
yielding dlssdents. 1t is now doubted whether
the Premier will Withdraw the home rule bill in
the event of its passing the second reading.
At the private meeting of the Chamberlain
party in the House of Commons, this evening,
the speakers referred eoldly the Premier's
speech. MANY, however, were disposed to sup
port the bill if the presentation of new bill be
guaranteed A strenuous opposition will be Of
fered to dealing with the present measure in
committee after the second reading. The follow
ers of Mr. Chamberlain believe that the govern
snent will gladly let the bill die naturally thus
avoiding the formal withdrawal of the measured
A prominent Wing said tonight There is a
strong feeling among many Of us that it is an in
suit to ask practical men to vote fer bill that
stances, and pledge ourselves to support future
measure whose provisions are unknown"
The proposed notifications include provisions
for full representation of Ireland when the
House has under discussion army and navy
Inmates, votes of credits for war purposes, for
eign treaties, fiscal changes affecting the Gus
toms and excise of the United Kingdom, and
votes for the maintenance of the royal family.
At an informal conference, this evening, the
Parnellites agreed to accept Mr. Gladstones
proposal to read the bill secondly and postpone
the committee stage until autumn. They were
also inclined to agree to the proposed modi6ca-
tions if the amended clauses should be found
under scrutiny, to imply no Entertainments on
the privileges of the Irish Parliament The Par
nellites are hopeful that the tactics of the gov
eminent will lead to a gradual crumbling of the
opposition.
At the meeting of the Chamberlain section
rs evening the fact disclosed that only two
lowers of Chamberlain had returned to the
eeiance of Mr.. Gladstone, but there are ndca-
us that several desire to abstain from voting
the second reading Of the BILL The Minis
alists limit the number of returning macon-
its to twelve, but they expect that a large
lumber will abstain from voting
1t is now expected that the division will take
place Tuesday next The Ministers rely
upon obtaining a majority of thirty.
The Queen will return to Windsor In the third
week in june. Mr.. Gladstone's respectful sug-
gestiop to her to remain at Windsor until after
khe division on the home-rule bill had no effect,
anu her feIuSal TO remain mas caused . Dad I'M
preston throughout the country.
The Rev Mr.. Spurgeon publishes an attack
Mr. Gladstones homerule bill The preacher
asks. "What has Ulster done to De cast OFF, and
adds: 1.-THE whole scheme is full of dangers and
absurdities, as if conceived by madman yet
am sure that Mr.. Gladstone believes he is only
doing justice and acting for the good of all.
consider that he is making one of those mistakes
only made by great aud wel-meaning men,"
GREECE AND TURKEY,