New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1886-04-09


WHICH cond only vote on secial and particular cues
tlans which we're brought before fnrlnment mSa',,
irelaa d TO decide saoni to Westminster or VINO
And =, ne tinc to maintain the fiscal unity OF
the Naton there is another point with regard to dro
powers OF tie legsatuTe Two courses m'Ent In st
i've boay with particular legislative powers, 'ne
setinn those subjects which the Government thought
rcwrr The latter plan had been adopted. The admin
isirative power pass with the legislative power
The duration Of the proposed esisauye noay snou
To withdraw from coguzanoe Of tho Legislative pUy
three grand and principal functions W. every nS
which related 10 the Crown; ali that when Deohgeu
10 the deience. the army, the navy tne eha, nG
laws the establishments or endowment Of any iar-
II would be misfortune TO ireland 10 De ssP"ia,vo
from England. The Irish Parliament wonld nave
nothing 10 do with coinage or ,ns oIeaISH o. t
the Judgment OF Parliament though the 0overnmsn, W
leave post Office matters in the hands of the Postmaster
S were left m sse ssne CATEGORY ans %'
COMPOSITION OF THE IRISH PARLIAMENT
The next subject had to approach was that OF tho
composition OF the proposed legislative body 1he OH
proposed Introduce two orders who would 81, ana de
berate together with the right OF voting separately on
any occ sion and on the demand OF either body which
should be able to nterpose veto upOn any measure Tor
limited time either until the dissolution or for three
years. The orders wond be constituted as follows; FIRST
there the twentyeight REPRESENTATIVE peers VINO
could TO sit In the House OF LORDS amer the
representatives the Irish people left the House OF Con
mons They would nave the option % s,'S NH ~, Docr
order Ia the Irish Parliament WIN tbe power
was not likely TO be largely used. but the speaker was
not OF that number Hear hear j lie proposed that
the re should 81. seveDtyvo representatives elected by
the Irish people With regard TO the powers OF eeo,on
the would be composed OF occupltrs OF tue
vane Of $50 and upward and thy would be elected "r
ten years. The property qualification OF these repre-.
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$4,000. ,,.. ,,o hundred
and one Irish members In the House OF Commons should
be of the Irish Parliament and whs' the hIst
order Of the legislative body would CONSIST ol one
dred ami three members the second order Wou cohss'
IL was proposed to retain the vceroy. but he would
not be the representative OF party or GUT 1hc h wn
powered to Collegiate 10 MN any h,I,n ny
enjoyed or would enjoy; The reig0us dlsaDiiy HOW
existing. which makes Roman Catholics ineligible TO tho
Office would be removed. , -
With regard the judges who had been concerned IN
administration OF the crmina! law III Ireland icr
Majesty might If she saw cause by order IN council an
tedae the pe-ons OF hose particular judges III ,utnre
the Judges would be appointed by the Irish Government
be paid out of the consolidated fund and be removable
only the Joint address OF the two orders .,u.o..
Tho constsbul8ry would remain under the present
of service ana under their present authority lhe
annum and the speaker confident the charge would
lie reduced but for the present he proposed to relieve
stabnlary in excess Of 81 100000 per annuni. The
Government had no desire to txempt the police OF
Ireland Ia reference 10 its final position, from the u
control OF the Irish legislative body TIE speaker
hal no jealousy subject.
for ordinary security of fe and property was the
first duty OF "a local government. -,
With respect the Civil Service, the Government ia
not think their case was the same as mat OF ho cIn
siabulary ard the transfer OF the civil service 10 INC
therefore, Thought ii would be wise to authorize Tho civil
servants serving to claim the pension that would
be them. upon the abolition OF their Offices pro
vded they served two years, In order to prevent inco
venieuce from rapid transition OF the service; ana al
the close Of that time both parties should be Tree 10 nc
That Was all Mr. Gladstone stated that he had to say
a sub prfO of he II
IRISH FINANCES
The proportion OF the Imperial burdens which he had
10 propose that Ireland should bear was as one to four
teen lie thought that the new Irish Parliament ought
to start with balance to its credit but the only fund
that 1t would have left alone would he the solitary
$50 600 from the Irish Church Fund lie knew no way
Of providing the necessary money. except by cary
ing 1t out OF this years budget, aud he pro-
posed that Ireland should pay fifteenth
Toward the Imperial expenditure. lie went on TO speak
OF how much Ire and would gain byexportinG spirits 10
Ireland by the flow OF money from one TO the other
A. the result OF careful inquiry he stated with conn,
dence actual demonstration but rs matter OF
certainty. with regard to me far greater portion !hal
the Irish receipts would gain from Great Britain
sum that would amount TO no less total IMAM
81 400 900 per He then entered into an elab.
crate calculation OF the total income ana expenditure on
Ireland In the course OF winch he stated mat me toa
charge TO ireland as an Imperial contribution he put at
lie stated as an instance OF the intense Generalization
of the Irish administration that wle the post ONCE
in England showed large surplus Ill Ireland 1t just
lie estimated the total Expenditure of includ
the National debt, at s79lG.oOO per annnp. Asainst
that there total income OF Ss35OOOo or surplus
1T has naturally been said in England and Scotland"
continued Mr.. Gladstone, that Tor great many years
past we have been struggling to pass gooh laws LOT ire
laud and that We have sacrificed our time neglected
this the endcavor to give ireland good laws That
quite true WIN co e S4G MANY Of the those sw
have hcon passed under influence which can hardly
de scribe other than as the Influence OF fesr.'
THE LAND QUESTION.
With regard to the history OF the land ques
tion no man could know that until he had fol
lowed 1T from year to year. beginning with
the Devon Commission the appointment OF which, In
tue speakers opinion did the highest honor TO the
memory OF Sir Robert Peel tCheersl And then 10 eN
anime tho mode in which the whole labor OF tho COM
mission had been frustrated by tho dom
nation OF selfish interest lParnele cheers
lie did deny the good intentions Of the British Par
lament TO pass good laws for Ireland, but
he said =" in order 10 Work out the purposes
OF good government there Is something
the rassing of good laws. Hear HcarN. 1t Is some
tines necessary, not only that good laws should be
persons The passing OF many good laws is not enough
In whore Tie strong instincts OF the people distinct
only that these laws should be good but that they should
proceed from congenal and native sources and that
besides being good laws they should be their own laws
At times doubted whether this necessity had been
II doubts could be entertained before the last general
election they not now DC entertained Inc principle
I have laid down / not LAYING down for Ireland
exceptionally IL Is the very principle upon winch:
within my recollection, to the Immense advantage or
the country Parliament has not only altered but revou
tionized our method OF government when held Office
at the Colonial Office fifty years ago. tue colonies
governed from Downright. The result was that the
home Government always ia conflict with those
which had legislative assemblies We had con
tinual shocks with the colonies then. But all that
changed. TIE British Parliament tried TO
good laws the colonies. but the colonies said:
We don't want good laws want
our own good laws And Parliament az length
admitted the reasonabeness OF this principle This
principle has home to us from across the seas,
and the House has consider whether IL II app-
cable to the case OF Ireland. . We stand face
TO ace with termed Irish Nationality, venting
tsef in demand for general sefgovernment In Irish,
not IN Imperial. affairs"
TRIBUTE TO IRISH PATRIOTISM.
In conclusion Mr.. Gladstone SAID 81 hold that there
is such a thing local patriotism which IN itself s not
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