The clarion. [volume] (Jackson, Miss.) 1883-1888, 1886-04-14

belonged to defense, the army, the navy, Il
the entire organization of the armed force, g
and our foreign and colonial relations 1t q
would not be competent to pass laws Tor v
the establishment or endowment OF any
particular religion. lCheers-
As TO trade and navigation. 1t would os
a misfortune to Ireland to be separated n
from England The Irish Parliament j
would have nothing TO do with the coinage n
or the creation of legal tender. The sub g
iect of the postoffice would be left TO the n
Judgment OF Parliament, though the gov ?
eminent inclined to the view that it would e
be more convenient TO leave postofice mat 0
tiers in the hands of the Postmaster General.
Quarantine and one or two other subjects t
were left in the same category. 1t
The next subject to approach was that OF I
the t
COMPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED LEGIsLA-
TIVE BODY.
The bill proposed to introduce two ,
bodies, who would sit and deliberate togeth-
er, with the right of voting separately on
any occasion, and on the demand of either
body, which should be able to interpose a
veto on any measure for a limited time,
either until the dissolution or for three
years.
The orders would be constituted as fol-
lows:
l. There were twenty eight representa-
tive peers who could NOT continue to sit in
the House OF Lords after the representa-
tives of the Irish people left the House OF
Commons They would have the option of
sitting as a portion of the first order in the
| Irish Parliament, with the power of sitting |
| for life Some people thought the option
was not likely to be largely used but the |
speaker was not of that number.
He proposed that with the twenty eight |
peers now in the House OF Lords there |
| should sit seventy-five representatives
| elected by the Irish people.
With regard to the powers of election the
constituency would be composed of occu-
piers of the value of e25 and upward, and
they would be elected for ten years. The
property Qualification of these representa-
/ tives would be e2h annual value on a capt.
tai value of $1,000.
/ Mr. Gladstone said he proposed that the
I0l I.ish members in the House of Com
mons should be members of the Irish Par
lament, and while the first order of the
legislative body would consist of 103 MEM
bers, the second order would consist of 206
The Queen would be empowered TO dele
gate to them any prerogative she now
/, enjoyed or would enjoy. The religious dis
ability now existing, which makes Roman
/ Catholics ineligible to Office would now be
, removed.
With regard to the judges who had been
concerned in the administration of the
criminal law in Ireland, the e1een might,
if she saw cause, by order in the council
e antedate the pensions of these particular
/ judges. In future the judges would be APP
I pointed by the Irish government, to be
paid out OF the consolidated funds and be
! removable only on the joint address of the
+ two bodies.
al The constabulary would remain under
Q the present term of service and under their
+ present authority. The charge for con-
$ stabulary was 100000 per annum, and
@ the speaker felt confident the charge would
V be reduced, but, for the present, he proposed
i to relieve the Irish legislative body of all
i expenditure for the constabulary in excess
n OF 100000 per annum. The government
y had no desire to exempt the peace of Ire
N land in reference to its final position from
r. the ultimate control of the Irish legisla-
. tive body. The speaker had no jealousy
&C upon that subject, as the care OF providing
4 for the ordinary security of life and prop
4 erty the first duty of local govern
n ment.
sr WITH RESPECT TO THE CIVIL SERVICE,
y the government did not think their case
y was the same as that of the constabulary,
u and the transfer of civil service to the leg
!, islative body would effect great economy
q He, therefore, thought it would be wise to
= authorize the civil servants now serving
- to claim the pensions that would be due to
:. them upon the abolition of their offices
\ provided they served two years, in order to
= prevent inconvenience, and at the close oil
~ that time both parties should be free to ne
:. gotiate afresh. That was all, Mr.. Glad
~ stone stated, that he had to say on the sub
- jeet of the new Irish constitution.
d The proportion OF Imperial burdens
which he had to propose that ireland
, should bear was one to fourteen He
e. thought that the new Irish Parliament
g. ought to start with balance to lis credit
!, but the only fund that it would have, i
an left alone, would be the solitary G20.00(
r from the Irish Church funds He know;
v. no way of providing the necessary money
at except by carving it out of this years bud
of get, and he proposed that in the future Ire
ID land should pay one-fifteenth toward the
ne imperial expenditures.
ii He went on to speak of how much Ire
z land would gain by exporting spirits te
a Great Britain, ard how much Great Brit
d, ain would lose TO Ireland by the flow O
n money from one to the other. As the re
E. suit of careful inquiry he stated with con
ne fidence, not as actual demonstration, bu
o. as a matter OF certainty, with regard to III,
cs far greater portion that the Irish receipts
a would gain from Great Britain sum tina
I'D would amount to el40, 900 per annum.
re He then entered into an elaborate cal
vi culation of the total income and expendi
us ture of Ireland, in the course of which h,
stated that the total charge to Ireland a,
TO an imperial contribution he put at e3, 242,
900 per annum. He stated, as an instance
IL i II. {
administration, that while the postoffice il
m England showed a large surplus, in Ire
at land it just paid its expenses. He esti
r. mated the total expenditure of Ireland, in
a Guiding payment sinking fund fol
at the Irish portion of the national debt. a
It. 81 $4,000 per annum. Against thai
sh there was total income of eS 1856, 900, OF
to surplus TO the government of g40o, 900.
We at has naturally been said in England
Id and Scotland" continued Mr. Gladstone
to sthat for great many years past we have
IN been struggling to pass good laws for Ire
Id land, and that we have sacrificed gu,
sh time. neglected our interests and paid oui
money, and we have done all this in the
IN endeavor to give Ireland good laws Thai
ne is quite true with regard to the general
= course OF legislation since 1919. Many Of
1t these laws have been passed under an in.
I'd fuence which | can hardly describe other
Id than as the influence of fear
he with regard to the'history of
- THE LAND QUESTION,
to no man could know that, until he had fol
r lowed il from year to year, beginning with
the Devon commission, the appointment
if of which, in the Speakers opinion, did the
Ie highest honor to the memory of Sir Robt
sr Peel [cheersI and then to examine the
1t mode in which the whole labor of the
10 commission had been frustrated by the
n domination of selfish interest. fParnell
h cheers
1t Gle did not deny the good intention OF
Of the British Parliament to pass good laws
for Ireland, but he said in order to work
re out the purposes of government there is
g something more in this world occasionally
r, required than the passing of good laws
o Hear, hear] 1t was sometimes necessary
d not only that good laws should be passed
E. but also. that they should be passed by the
II proper persons.
!. THE passing OF many good laws is not
+ enough In eases where the strong instincts
$ of the people, distinct marks of character.
It situation and history require not only
b that these laws should be good. but thai
h they should proceed from congeniaI and
natural sources, and that besides being
t good laws they should be their own laws
: Irish cheers
$ "At times | doubted whether this neees-
: sity had been fully developed, and espec-
5 tally with respect to Ireland. If doubts
| could be entertained before the last general
election, they cannot now be entertained
| The principle l have laid down am not
: laying down for Ireland exceptionally il