New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1886-06-02

aughtcr In which be says that 10 see.o s,i. 70 IA
has leen the aim OF Christian civilization. wm,o '" no
stroy them and to re-cstabish domnrerinx ressesS
on acsnra the am OF tue Mpao o he
argument further he could give ststemsns rics
Cahoc bsh1p, recently malc ,S 20 r. ng nembes Was
Ulster not also justified IN fearing aa.Srss ss. ds
sesbns s Se nsS nsn Msn
OF the country. Cries Of n" No r'.. i,on IN the
Irish press in which the linen manufacturer were ne
nounced But. after all the question was n"' rhsv eS
listed. The practical question was, would faria"""'
give fleet !0ppOs'S On. wSss Sseer The Government
should give them more Information ihsn InrI ITr The
III Time had come when Government ought t. 70 s,y
whether there Is =" soeh wss" pTedominaiinr sentiment
as deserves separate consideration and whether tnsy
will devise scheme TO yH 'ss there had been any real
element nnaty IN the hil he snoud nave osment
The Irish people would not regard i a, final iad 'mch
a bill been offered TO Scotland the pep
s %os@ %nna he eSn,en Wh much
snch as the o, Local
the Was nsrc % any the tho hsns of
s il ministerial .'ia al cries Of No So He challenged
the n say OF that sSs bill they
hc coStinued cxis.ence of the real supremacy Of
t shS Srasst ,@pet'a IPsrmelIite cr.es Of NO So
hh now the House sees tine view 81 It's Nationalist
members They want to weaken that supremacy
iOppositon cheersl They only support the b because
they believe 1t throws doubt upon IL anu ieaVes .o
supremacy mere constitutional fgment We want ia
real and effective supremacy ana wiz mo hC' Ys Of tns
snzerany Of the Porte over Cyprus opp%Nsa0ht %sa non
cheers They all knew that the irish memoers aiu ho.
so to accept they could bind the Irish
people take the earliest chance to repudiste
the case Of Canada Mr. Chamberlain contended that 1t
natural conclusion from what happened ~ ,Mn
Canada after the OF s3S that reforms IKE those
would have to be granted to ireland II the Di were
haya IN Ia mn de 10
ultimate demand for separation. !" iear! near
An ALTERNATIVE TO Mr.. G. ADsToNE's PLAN
Dcmaud. had made upon him to state an aterna-
tive to Mr. Gladstone's proposals be had sugges'eo
certain lines upon which the MEASURE might have pro-
ceedel HIS plan had been described as Popkns plan
and those approving 1t were called puny whipsters by
Mr.. Heaey whose magnificent physique enabled om 10
look down upon mon gifted by Providence with his
great personal gifts. lLauelter] 1t was hard upon
them to he accused of and presumption wnon
they trying honestly to meet tho demand Ior ah
alternative scheme. Members would find the lines OF
his alternative scheme in tho constitution OF Canada
not in the relations between Canada ana England
The relations the provinces OF Canada and fne
Dominion Parliament were those he wouid eetaohsn
between England and Ireland AS to Ulster. ne re-
minded them that tho constitution OF 1o4O, wnch uned
the two provinces OF Canada found not to answer
and the result that the two provinces separated
and each is now enjoying separate autonomy under the
Dominion Parliament. That Parliament had repre-
sentatives according TO the numbers OF tno
people and had the right OF ve'o'
right which was much USED Ahotrer
important features of the Canadian adml nisraon was
the fact that judges Canada werc appointed by the
Governor General although paid By the Dominion Far
lament They were. therefore, independent and we're
not likely to be Influenced by local bodies. l. hear
On these lines would eeslate for Ireland. Nothing
he bad heard from Mr.. gladstone altered his determine
agaius. the second reading OF the b inoy
were threatened with dissolution. Cheers and counter
or one thing he confident, namely, that the Union
st majority in Parliament would os M srenesnenea n.y. %
issue would be submitted to tie only tribunal
whose decision they could accept 81
The British No doubt the British democracy
who had earned and deserved it by fifty OF puolc
service. lCheersl The democracy was practically practically
Of IN ,.G OF ow bun
unanimous upon the met1Cd Of carving a mont o%s
f HSG msthoi and not upon the
the bill that they were now cong ontsss TO t' wo"h BE-
marked by fairer temper Than that lately displayed.
nersopa suIte aud spleen Icres hear" near " from
Parnellites. especially by Irish nemDers VINO nau
Giadsione. whom they were laudng with iulsone
aulaion These charges against hin were as unjust as
There is nol a man here" said Mr. Chamberlain in
conclusion who does not know tnat every persona 1
Mi. Gladstone. Not day passes that 90 hos re-
Fe Toe fs sSOH, te bill and dish the whgs The temptation
no donbt great iauchter but not base enough to
crafty nv personal ambition by betrayng my conntry
uicbr am convinced that when this discuss on 10
over Liberals Will not Judge hashiy tnose VINO M have
pursued honestly path OF duty, even though II leads
10 tLe dlsruion OF party and the loss OF personal
nndencc ond power which Is the legitimate anp9n OF
every seek his Political friends anu as
socstes." Loud and prolonged cheering py OohSer'a'
tves and Radicals. ,,- - , ,.,
mcnt while Mr.. Chamberlain was speaking.
FRANKLY CRITICISED By MR. SEXTON.
Mr. Sexton followed and WAS checred by the Far
nclnes. He said that Mr. Chamberlain had no rear oi
dissolution because he going to the country TO
masquerade as Uuionist Liberal relying on Tory votes
| The speech which Mr. Chamberlain had just made
would enable Ireland to discern between true and false
friends. He assured Mr. Chamberlain that SO long as
this generation lasted the people OF ireland would rot
forget bis speech UHt now tue honorable member Lad
| been fighting under cover. At last they had
| him in the open and knew him as a
deserter and as ally OF party that
WAS seeking give over the Working classes or England
10 the champions OF class privileges ana 10 cohslgh ire
to Government that advocated twenty years COERCION
Unlike Mr. Chamberlain Lord Harrington deserved ana
would receive respect OF those opposing him. Lord
Harrington had no injured vanity to resent. and had
throughou, refused to enter the Cabinet because he
could not tolerate the principle OF Homo Rnle LORD
Hortin gton had offered Ireland some monldy crumbs
sucb as had been given Lazarus but Ireland was not
becgar Tor aims She demanded what she asked Tor as
a right lie lsexton had never heard that the meagre
charity bestowed upon the besgar at tho gate mad in
any way affect Ell the ultimate destination OF the rich
| man. Laughter
There two policies contained In tpe opposition 10
the ta negative policy, to throw out Mr Gladstone
| and n postve 10 take his place Laughter Bat the
country would fluid that the question was really between
Mr. Gladstone and Lord Salisbury between the present
nj, an the policy OF nforced emigration backed up by
,.anty wears OF coercion. To the Coercion
meant going back tO the Cromwe.lian method. which
woud be no success than tile coercvo measures
| OF recent years , 49,. ..
AS TO MI Chamberlan's federation scheme there was
IN the bill hinder federation Ii IL was iound
1osran M the future Regarding the retention of tho
irish members they all felt that for long time they
| woud have enough TO do to put their own affairs I'D
order had objection 10 consider any pro-
10 assist British Legislature In the considera-
| lion OF Imperial arairs. ,.,,,- -
Eeirrrpc to Ulster the speaker denied tho alleged pre-
| oomuauce the Protestant population ana maintained
i crOuud for leglsallOn except