The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1886-08-10
TIE RED DEVILS MUST GO.
Gell. Wallace Talks Of the Indian Dew
iitries Committed in New Mexico.
ChacO and the McComas Horror-The Gem
eral'sNew Novel. and His Present Literary
Politics in General.
New York Mail and Express.

General Lew Wallace, of Indiana. author of
Ben Hur and ex Minister to Turkey, was at the
Murray Hill Hotel, yesterday. as lively and full
of animation as when he rode about and studied
that fatalistic race along the Bosphorus. His
hair, which is long and dark, fell in a tuft over
his high forehead and rested on his immense
shaggy eyebrows that look like justiug crags
over his piercing, eagle eyes. He resembled
literary Occidental hi-Bazouk, only ne didn't
have on fez and failed to cross his legs under
him when he sat down. He conversed with
Mail and Express reporter at length.
EYES," he said, II have gone into the lecture
field, and will begin my season at Chautauqua
My lecture will be the Turks in Turkey.
Then, on the 9th inst, shall lecture again at
the same place. and read the Chariot race from
Ben Hur My following engagements will take
me West"
Are you not writing Turkish novelP
eyes, but when will finish it have no idea.
work it at odd times cannot tell you
much about it now, only that it will be q Turk
ish romance. with the scenes laid in Turkey.
The characters will not be all Turks. AS to
what name the novel will have or how the plot
runs / cannot tell you anything, for the reason
that have not definitely settled those prelin
inaries yet. 1t is like an egg not yet Matched;
rooster or hen may be the result, or a complete
fasco But my lecture engagements will en-
gross my time to such an extent cannot make
any promises as to when shall have that ro-
nance ready for publication
"You took long trip out West recently
Eyes, went to New Mexico. own an inter-
est in mine in the San Simone district. situated
in the southwestern part of that Territory. That
country is fast going back to its original desoa-
ton. In the southwestern parts of New Mexico
and the southeastern districts Of Arizona the
prospects are terrible. The Indians have terror
lied those sections TO such an extent everything
is stagnant and paralyzed. When arrived at
the railroad town from whence / had to 90 to
my mine, the people advised me not to attempt
such a hazardous undertaking They said it
would cost me my life 1 hired an escort of
twelve men, gave them rifles and plenty OF am
munition, and started out When camped ae
night put out guards and had reliefs just as
in war times. It had TO be done to save an az
tack from providing bands of hostile Indians.
On the route found towns deserted, ranches de-
stroyed, the ranehers and their families having
been murdered by Geronimo, or some of his
bands. Business everywhere at stand
still. and q scene of ruin and devastation met the
eye on every hand. Houses charred and par
TALLY burnt standing with no signs OF lie about.
only the bullet ridden door and the blood upon
| the floor, told the tale of the murder that had
been committed upon the citizen and his family
who fought until death overlook them. When
/ arrived at the mines found everybody armed.
The miner when he went to work took his riiie
| and ammunition with him, and kept it by while
at work No one dared to step out of his house
without being armed. Geronimo and the muir
derous Apaches under him were liable to swoOp
| down at any moment
L
| ingtou receive that bloody-handed murderer,
| Chief Chaeo He ought to be turned over 20
| the civil authorities of New Mexico and tried
| for the murder Of Judge McComas and family.
| The true story has never been told Judge Nc
/ Comas was my partner in the mine out there.
| After the Indians killed the Judge they sub
Jected his wife to inhuman treatment and them
murdered her IN most fiendish manner. saw
| the marks of the struggle with the poor woman. {
1t WIS shocking, too horrible to relate the par
| ticufars of how they treated Mrs. McComas be-
fore they finally killed her. Why, the San
Carlos reservation in the southeastern part
of Arizona contains about 5000 Apachea.
It is nest for Geronimo TO recruit
from. Whenever a warrior under him
T plays out and desires to convalesce, Geronimo
gives him permission to go back to the reserva-
ton. The warrior hides his gun and walks in
apparently repentant and with no wish to 60
back on the warpath He is received with open
arms, and eats and grows fat Then he buys
ammunition with the things he has stolen from
murdered settlers and either sends it or goes
back himself TO Geronimo. That is the little
game they play"
/ What is the matter that the government
doesnt suppress them"
1.-THE government doesn't take any interest in
the Indian depredations. It sends small force
out there to suppress the Indians who know the
country we'll and easily elnde pursuit. General
Miles is very efficient and does all he can. But
what can he do with such small force. We
want enough troops to surround aud cut off these T
r1urderous bands Of Indians If the government
would give permission to the settlers organize
companies they would soon make many good
dead Indians. IL had my way would distrib
ute the Indians all over the United States. II is
sheer nonsense to keep many five hundred
Indians together on one reservation, as that OF
the San Carlos. When the Indians are separated
and mixed in with the millions of whites in differ
ent States and Territories. then, and only then,
will these outbreaks cease. The Mexicans are
anxious to capture Geronim5 as the settlers.
They have suffered and many have been muir
dered by the Indians. 1t is great pity to see a
fine country like that of New Mexico and Ari-
IONA laid waste Dy savages. A handful Of troops
cannot suppress flying bands of Indians; that
fact by this time seems pretty we'll demonstrated.
1t is rather CALLING to the settlers to hear that old
Chaco has met with cordial reception at the
capital. Capital punishment is what he needs If
the law is carried OUT
Have you heard in your travels how the DEM
ocrats enthuse over their PresidentW
Everywhere l have gone he has been the re-
cipient of the most low mouthed expressions of
utter detestation from members of his his own
party. Why, even the red-mouthed mugwumps,
who once rolled their tongues in hymns OF
praise, have shut up and say nothing. Disgust
and disappointment have come to all the Demo
Gratis along the line, and their desire is to throw
him overheard as soon as possible. Their criti-
cisms on his civilservice reform pretensons are
severe and just They say that if the President
had taken a decided stand on the question in
action as well as speech, then they could have
found no fault But while he only half way
carries out civil-service reform he doesn't give
satisfaction to anybody. Democrats urge that
he should either take decided step against
cv-service reform carry out strictly the law
and keep in all the Republicans Then no com
plants could be found on that ground. But
even with all the opposition to President Cleve-
land the Democrats may nominate him again.
If so, he will be defeated. Mr.. Blaine viii be
ou- next President