The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1886-04-14
Sir William Vernon HarcOurt
Gives His Views.
AND GLADSTONE FOLLOWS HIM.
The Grand scheme Being Thor
oughiy Ventilated by the Brit
ish Parliame ntarians.
The Irish Bill Rebate.


Exchequer. tonight. resumed the
debate on the Irish bill, in the House
OF Commons. He began by saying that
those who condemned the govern
ment's measure failed to state an &C
ceptable alternative scheme. Nobody
accepted Mr.. Trevelyan's plan. Mr..
Chamberlain project was in turn re-
Trevelyan. Mr.. Chamberlain had pro-
pounded a scheme oil great Importance.
but that scheme had never been sub
mitted to the government.
de (Mr. Chamberlain) has recon-
mended federation. What were to be
those separate bodies in Great Britain
and Ireland which were to be the sub
ject matter of the federation recon-
mended? Mr.. Chamberlain had a plan
to stay evictions by an act of Parliament.
Who. has agreed TO that policy2 Had
he got the adhesion of Lord Harrington?
Had he got the adhesion of Mr.. Goschen,
or the adhesion of the right honorable
gentleman and noble lord opposite? II
he had not, the Speaker should like to
know how il is7 Was il a prac ical
policy2 Lord Harrington had said that
be did not admit the impossibility of
governing Ireland by a mingled system
of remedial and repressive legis-
lation. IL was TO the administration
of Lord Spencer that he thought the
government of Ireland ought to be re-
stored. 1t has been stated by Lord
Harrington, that, whatever the fate OF
this measure was, the mere introduction
OF il by responsible government would
do much that could never be recalled
That was perfectly true, but il was
equally true of the events of last June.
The consequences of those events could
never be recalled. Those events entirely
changed the whole aspect of the Irish
question. The course then taken made
home rule inevitable. (Cries of OH Oh
and laughter.) The speaker tainted the
opponents of this measure with having
no basis for an agreement on the Irish
policy. Did Mr.. Goschen, he asked, sP-
prove Mr.. Chamberlain's plan for CEN
trail council at Dublin on the suspension
Of evictions2 Had theConservative lead
erS any policy except the condemna-
ton of Mr.. Gladstone's scheme
Lord Randolph Churchill: Yes;
they are against the repeal in any
shape or form" (Cheers.)
The speaker retorted that that might
mean as much as Lord Beacons-
fel s denunciation of the five
pound franchise at the very mo-
ment when he designed TO carry
through the household suffrage meas
ure. (Laughter.) Continuing, be said
the fact was that there was no alterna-
tive to the plan of the government, ex-
cept the severest coercion. This would
require a strong government. a gov
eminent determined, persistent, in
harmony with itself, supported
by an overwhelming majority
in Parliament and in the country.
Such a government had been dreamed of
as resulting from truce OF party spirit
not by the breaking up of parties that
the strong government could be
Reference" continued the
speaker, has been made to the Irish
in America This house cannot, for
moment, be influenced by the action of
assassins like Ford and others. |
But the nation in America is as numer-
Gus as the Irish are at home. All
possess the same instinct and the |
same syrnpathies. They have not been
parties to the action of assassins. |
Hear, hear.) These actions of |
assassins receive universal con-
demnation from the people of |
the United States. (Irish and Lib
eral cheers.) But il you reject this bill.
do you believe, are you sure there will
not be sympathy with those assassins
and their schemes? (Hisses and cries
Of, OH 0hD / believe there will be
universal condemnation and disappro-
patton from right-thinkIng people (Irish
md AmerIcan) of such treatment OF the
irish people. Irish cheers.)
Gladstone replied at considerable
ength. He denied that the safeguards
provided in the bill were dictated by a
iistrust OF the Irish people. On the
they were inserted in conse-
luence OF the mistrust that was felt BY
others. Mr.. Gladstone agreed that the
fundamental fear of those who attack the
home rule measure was that the Irish
oeople would necessarily do wrong; that
he administration Of the country would
changed. (Cries OF Hear
learD In regard to the questions as to
he power Of veto by the bill. he
tated that there was no limitation to
hat proposition, and in reference to
he income tax. that would necessar-
~ be as separate in Ireland
= II would be in England
u the bill generally, he said
proposed 70 give to Irish people reas,
nable satisfaction to their demand
y |
he former government in the case of
america. He ridiculed the fear that
lad been expressed as to the further de-
hands on the part of Irish members, If
MS Dill were passed, and as TO the ques-
ION OF there having been no mandate !
or this measure. He contended that,
nasmuch as there had been no man
ate TO- coercion or for maintaining the
aw, so no mandate was necessary for
be proposed bill to strengthen the
means OF maintaining the law. he
ompared the criticisms on the bill, and
olnted out that no one speech agreed
nth another and speaking of the meas
re as plan, he remarked
bat it might be improved. But,
{ any rate, il held the field,
s also did the subject. (Cheers.)
The motion that leave be given TO
introduce was put by the Speaker and