The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1886-06-08
Mr.. Goschen Attacks the Bill in Strong
Speech, and Presents It's Defectsand Weak
Spots in Very Effective Manner.
Mr.. Parnell Respondsand Hints at Prop
OSitiOnS from the Conservatives.
Mr.. Gladstone Closes the Debate, and a Vote
Results in the Defeat of the Proposition
for Second Reading of the Bill.
BEATEN BY THIRTY VOTES.
The House of Commons Votes Against q
Second Reading of the Home-Rule Bill.


Second Reading of the Home-Rule Bill.
LONDON, June 7-Mr. Gladstone entered the
House of Commons at 455 o'clock this afternoon
and proceeded straight to his seat. When his
presence was noticed he was greeted with tre-
mendous cheering The Premier wore white
rose in his lapel The House Of Commons was
crowded to it's utmost capacity at the hour of
opening the session.
Mr.. Gladstone, replying to a question on the
paper, said the government was unable to prom
ise to incorporate measures for home-rule gov
ernment in England, Wales and Scotland in the
revised Irish home-rule bill when it was brought
in during the autumn session, in the event of its
passing the second reading now.
$50 P. M.-At this hour the Conservatives are
jubilant They say they expect to defeat the
homerule bill by majority of at least fifteen.
The Parnellites are dubious about the outcome
of to-nght's division. They all declare they
would rather be defeated now than have Mr..
Gladstone make any more concessions The op.
position loudly cheered John Bright and Lord
Harrington as they entered and took their places
The Parnellites were all in good voice. and they
gave Mr.. Gladstone most enthusiastic welcome.
in the galleries, is occupied.
Right Hon. George j. Goscken, Liberal, re-
sumed the debate on the home rule bill. He
said the bill to be a message of peace to Ire
land. which the Premier said would be torn to
fragments forthwith after it's second reading
The sovereignty of the imperial Parliament de-
pended on clause which it was highly probable
a majority of the House would never consent TO-
If the bill passed, tremendous struggle
would be inaugurated by the Catholic clergy Of
Ireland for control of education in that country
Regarding the question whether the bill would
prove final settlement Of the Irish difficulty, or
lead to eventual separation, Mr.. Goschen said he
did not think it would prove fnality. That
would depend entirely on assurances given by
the Irish members. The Premier at one time
was supposed to have given pledge to recon
struct the bill, but he subsequently Indignantly
ressdissad that assumption.
Mr.. Gladstone tinterrupting) is a gross
error. What the gentleman thinks looked like
indignation was my eager reputation of cool
statement that had resolved to reconstruct the
bill
Mr.. Goschen, resumng said he saw the dis
siHStou1 Out was uudUi0 W Sc0 uoW buc l EcLAl0T
could avoid the difficulty. The House was now
informed that the bill was not to be recon
structed. [Cries of "Oh," ''oh," and cheers,
amidst which Mr., Gladstone expressed signs of
dissent We're the government going to stand
by their bill or not9 This state of doubt came
from voting, not on the bill, but on the explana-
tions first given at the Foreign Office, and am
plified, and explained away on the Friday fol-
lowing Further explanations to the answer
were made on the ensuing Monday. 1t had also
been elected in various letters which passed be-
tween the Premier and his followers that recon
struction of the bill was the basis on which
many members would unite in voting
with the government on q measure which
every one admitted was the most important
ever submitted to Parliament. The opponents
of the bill will have achieved their result, If
the bill be withdrawn after it passes a second
reading-if it passes that stage. The Premier is
now more anxious to learn from his supporters
what they will authorize him to give than to in
sist upon knowing what the Parnellites will ac
cept His tone is different It has been shown
that the British Parliament is not inclined to
consider Parnell its dictator. Loud Cheers
During the recess" said Mr.. Goshen, II heard
one. now minister of the Crown. say he was
certainthat Parnell would be the dictator in the
coming session. / think however, Parnelrs
followers will now acknowledge that there are
limits whereat they many who are prepared to
grant some legislative autonomy to Ireland.
would draw the line. The House will remember
the first reading of this BILL and will recall the
Right Honorable Chief Secretary for
Ireland's repeated illusions to certain
dark subterranean forces. We do not
hear so much thereof now. They are with
drawn to great extent. though not entirely,
from the light The curtain has been dropped
over those terrible times and tragedies which
have scarcely faded from our memories. The
alarmed Home Secretary of the Premier's last
government is now able to reappear as Chancel-
lor of the Exchequer, and with great jocularity
and light-heartedness make merry over what he
calls melodramatic terrors. wonder whether
this began on the day when he first pinned on
his arm, over his ministerial uniform, the home
that truce has been proclaimed,
and that part of the dark subterranean
forces have been tolled off TO terrify British
public opinion They are simply holding their
hands. though; the devil is still working in some
parts of Ireland. [Cheers.l The British De-
mocracy he asked to do justice Parnellite
chsersl, but they will require to see justice
done, and should have thought the Parnellites
would have used their great influence and vast
organization to help discover the perpetrators
OF these vile outrages. don't say they can do
it; the matter has passed beyond their power.
We have right however, to pause when asked
to place the protection of life In Ireland
in the hands of new and untutored
executive, and at the same time relinquish
control of the nnl;cn IParnallifa cries Of No y