The Daily bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Hawaii]) 1882-1895, 1886-07-09

out charged those who were in with
an abuse of power to secure their
retention in Office, and when the ins
became the outs they adopted the
same tactics. 1t had been the one
thing to base political speeches
on for centuries. England and
America had been trying since
the foundation of their Constitutions
to remedy that state of things, but
they had failed. 1t was much to be
regretted that those great nations
had not had an opportunity to avail
themselves of the gigantic intellects
of the members for Molokai and for
Makawao, gentlemen who had dis
covered that the solution of this
problem of ages was to class judges
with thieves and insane persons.
There had never yet been legisla-
tive assembly that succeeded in
legislating conscience into any man,
nor could they legislate it out of
man. If they had the misfortune
sometimes to get some man without
a conscience into Office, it was
misfortune that all men had some
time had to suffer. 1t was such a
misfortune as people governed by
constitution would suffer until the
day of the millennium, when all men
would think alike.
Minister Gibson would not take
the time of the house five minutes,
not one minute. He presumed the
member for Makawao was not
reader of the Scriptures, or he
would have hesitated to bring in
those reflections on tax collectors.
For they had the assurance that in
an assembly far more august than
this--that of the twelve apostles
there was tax collector.
Rep. Castle said the only comment
on the suggestion of His Excellency
was that the moment he became
member of that assembly he was no
more tax collector. He thought
the discussion was somewhat prema-
ture, because if the law should pass
and be signed it would hardly pre-
vent the persons mentioned from
sitting in the next Legislature, be-
cause it put more limitations down
than the Constitution provided for.
The only restriction that the house
could put on was to increase the
qualifications, that is, after amend
ing the Constitution. The Attor-
ney-General had laid himself out a
good deal ON this bill--the speaker
thought the Minister was good
illustration of his own remarks: he
was one of the "ins." He (Mr. G.
thought the arrangement of the bill
was little unfortunate, but at the
same time section 77S of the
Civil Code and article 81 of
the Constitution contained the
same thing, would put them all in
the same category with idiots and
criminals. His Excellency intimat-
ed that efforts In other countries
from time immemorial had not sue
ceeded. The Constitution of the
United States said that NO Senator
or Representative should be appoint
ed to any office, nor should any
office-holder be a member of either
branch OF. Congress. The Constitu-
ton of the Minister'S own State
contained the same provision. In
Great Britain there was no written
Constitution, but constitution just
as powerful as any ever written. In
Great Britain not only was no office
holder under the Government per-
mitted to sit in Parliament, but it
was regarded as an offense for him
to interfere in any way in an cleo
ton. He would suggest whether it
was not the intent of their own
Constitution that these gentlemen
should attend to their business and
nothing else. Article 20 defined
three branches of Government-the
legislature, executive, and judicial.
He should support the motion to lay
the bill on the table.
Rep. Kaulukou said the argu-
ments of the member for Makawao
were good but would not influence
him to change his vote. The men,
Der was only acting as dry nurse for
the bill. He (Mr. K.) heard a
judge of the Supreme Court express
himself strongly that district judges
should be disqualified for the Legis-
lature. The bill would be better if
it included agents for commercial
houses and lawyers, for some law
yers stood in great awe of the
judges. He spoke of landholders
who had exerted so much undue in
fuence in the late elections that the
country had not got over the effect
yet.
Reps. Kekoa and Kalua spoke
briefly in Hawaiian without interpre-
tation.
Rep. Richardson expressed his
admiration for. the member for Ma
kawao for bringing forward his pro-
position when he knew that the
house was packed full of office
holders. This was a matter that
should be agitated. Let it be
brought before the public and set,
tied some way. He agreed with his
colleague from Wailuku (Castle,
that the discussion was premature