Sacramento daily record-union. [volume] (Sacramento [Calif.]) 1875-1891, 1886-04-09

blies? The speaker Thought it wonid be r,ar.
tectly clear that, il Ireland was 10 have n
aohes'ic Legislature the Irish peers and Irish
representatives could not come to Parliament 10
control English and Scotch affairs. [Cheers
% linen With regard tn the question whether
iE iTish representatives. should come to
settlement of Imperial affairs he
thought that it could net be done. He had
therefore. arril ed at the conclusion that Irish
members and Irish peers ought not to sit in the
palace of Westminster T.'OR oh = and cheers i
II lrish members were not to sit in the Eou Sc
OF commons, Irish peers ought not to sit in the
other .d heqse OF Parliament. L''Eear hearr' and
On HOW were the Irish people to be taxecs if
they had legislators in both couatries? He be-
heVed that Great Britain woulG never inpose
upon Ireland
TAXATION WITHOUT REPREsEsTATIoN,
And added: - If We were to have tnxstion
Nlthout represent alton, then there would come
IN ahother question which would raise a practi-
caI olihculty, and that is: Ase we 10
give up mat fiscal unity, the unity of
sne ElnpFeE lie did not think that
Dy giving up the fsca! unity OF the EIapire they
were giving up the unity OF the Fmgire He
however, stood upon the substantial ground
that 70 give up The fiscal unity OF The Umpire
would be public Inconvenience aud a mis-
iortune. II would be great misfortune for
Great Britain, and greater misfortune for Ire
land. He conceived that one escape from that
l!le,1 uiieinina would be such an arrangement as
woniu give the Imperial Government authority
10 levy custom duties, and such excise duties as
were immediately connected with the customs
Inc conditions oi such an arrangement ", re
nfst, mat the general power o. taxation over
ana ABOVE those particular duties should pass
INTO the hands of IL domestic Legislature
IN ireland secord, that the proceeds
OF customs and eX isc sh0uld b. held for 10
benefit OF Ireland, and for the dischargee of fhe
obligations Of Ireland and the paym. nd of lhe
balance, after these Cbhgafionslw ere d diseharped
shouid be entered into the Iiish exchequer, and
be at the free disposal of the Irish legislative
BODY The Government bill provided for this.
and the bill then provided that represeniatiyes
OF ireland should no longer sit in the House OF
bonin0s f t1 or lrlsn peers in the House of Lords
put at the same time they would have
THE RIGHT OF ADDRESSING THE GROWN.
And so possess all the constitutional rights they
held now. i"Oh and cheersl 1t would.
therefore, relieve the Irish members
from attendance at Westminster Mr..
should be the case, even if it was possible for
thein 10 attend, a they had a Parliament OF
thelr own. 1t would be very difficult to have
TWO classes OF members in the British Vousa-
one Class VINO could vote on all questions con
nected with the business of the cOrntrv and
another which could only vote on special nnd
RatI;cular questions which were brought before
iaflianenI Again. IL would be very difficult
LOT gentlemen i'll Ireland to decide who could
60 10 Westminster or remain in Ireland The
56unctlohs Whlcn 1t was proposed to withdraw
from the cOgrHanee of the legislative BODY
were three grand and principal functions viz.
Everything which related to the Crown an that
winch belonged to the defenses, the army, navy
the entire organization OF an armed force and
over the foreign and colonial relations 1t
would not be competent TO pass laws tor the es-
adjustment or Endorsement of any particular
religion; LCheers As 10 trade and navigation
it would be
MISFORTUNE To IRELAND
To be separated from England. The Irish Par
Lament would have nothing to do with coinare
or the creation of legal tender The suhiecf of
the postoIiice would be left to the Judgment of
Parilament, though the Government inclined to
the view that II would De more of convenience
to leave postoflce matters in the hands of the
POSTMASTER General Quarantine and one or two
other subjects were left in the same category.
Inc next subject he had to approach was that
OF the composition of the proposed legislative
body. The bill proposed to Introduce two orders
which would sit and deliberate together. with
the rig1t OF Votlng separately on any occasion
on the demand of either body, which would be
able to lnterpose veto upon any measure for a
limited time, either until dissolution or for three
years The orders would be constituted as fol-
lows: First, there were rs representative Derrs
who could not continue TO sit in the UoIse of
LORDS after the representatives of the Irish peo-
pie left the House of Commons They w0uld
nave the option OF sitting as portion of first
order IN the Irish Parliament with the power
OF sitting for life. He proposed that with
twenty-elght peers now in the House of Lords
there should sit seyenty-fve representatives
elected by the Irish people. With regard to the
powers OF election, the constituency would be
composed of occup:ers of the value of twenty
hve pounds and upwards and they would be
tae eieetea lor ten years The property quail
lhcatlon OF these representatives would be two
hundreQ pounds annual value on the capit Al
value of four thousand pounds Mr. Gladstone
sala ne proposed that the. 10l Irish
members in the House of Commons
should be members of the Irish Parliament.
and whilst the first order of the legislative body
would consist of lOS members, the second order
MouIG consist OF 296. 1t was proposed to retain
the Nlceroy, but he would not be there as a
representative OF party. or quit the Office with
an Outgoing Government. The Queen 5yould he
empowered en- 10 delegate to him any prerogatives
she now enjoyed or would enjoy. The religious
disability now existing which makes Roman
Catholics ineligible to Office, would be removed
In future, Judges would be appointed by the
Government, be paid out of a consolidated fund
and be removable only on the Joint address
OF the two orders. The eonstabulary would
remain under the present term of
service service and under their present au-
service, the Government did not think their
case was the same as that of the constabularv
and the transfer OF civil service to the legfs-
lative body would effect a great economy lie
therefore, thought it would be wise to authorize
the civil servants now serving to claim the pen-
sion that would be due to them upon the abso-
luton OF the'r Offices, providing they served
hVe y ears, IN order to prevent inconvenience
from the rapid transmission of service and at
that time both parties should be free to negoti-
ate afreSh That was all, Mr. Gladstone stated
that he had TO say on the subject of The new
Irish Constitution.
THE PROPORTION OF IMPERIAL BURDENS
Which he had to propose that Ireland should
bear was as one 10 fourteen. He thought that
the new Irish Parliament ought to stand with n
balance TO lis credit, but the only fund that it
would haVe II left alone, would be Il solitary
twenty thousand pounds from the Irish church
fund. He knew no way of providing the ne
cess4ry money except by carving it out of
IN iG.ure Ireland should pay one-ff-
teenth towards the Imperial expenditure
Careful inquiry, he stated with confidence not
as an actual demonstration, but as Il matter of
certainty, with regard to far greater portion
showed that the Irish receipts would gain from
Great Britain sum that would amount to 81
4e,OuO per annum. He then entered into an
elaborate calculation of the total income and
expenditure of Ireland, in the course of which
he stated that the total charge to Ireland as an
Imperial contribution, he put at s. 2l2 600 per
annum. lie estimated the total expenditure of
ireland, including payment as sinking fund
Tor the Irish portion of the national debt, at
G7,9iS 600 per annum. Against this there was a
total income OF tS,35O.000, or a surplus to the
Government of s404,0O0.
THE LAND QUESTION.
With regard to the history of the land ones
ton, no man could know that until he had foI-
flowed it from year to year, beginning with the
Devon Commission, the appointment of which
i'll the speakers opinion, did the highest honor
to the memory Of S.r Robert Peel. Cheers lie
dld not deny the good intentions OF the British
Parliament to pass good laws for Ireland
out ne SAID III order TO work ont
the purposes of the Government there is
something more i'll this world occasionally
required than the passing of good laws T-.Hear
hear. When held the office of Colonial Secrt-
tary, fifty years ago the colonies were governed
from Downing street The result was the
home government was always in conflict with
those countries which had Legislative as sem
blles- We had continual shocks with the
colonies then, but all thar has been changed
Inc British Parliament tried to pass good laws
Tor the colonies, but the colonies said I'VE
don't want your good laws; we want
our own good laws" and Parliament
at length admitted the reasoaableness
OF this principle. This principle has now come
nome 10 us frsn across the seas, and the House
mas now TO consider whether it is applicable to
the case OF Ireland. We now stand lace to face
with what is termed Irish Nationality, venting
it.eIf in a demand for general self goyernnfenf
III Irish not in Imperial affairs.
LOCAL AND IMPERIAL PATRIOTISM.
In conclusion. Mr.. Gladstone said: ~ hold
that there is such thing as local patriotism
Mhlcn IN Itself is not bad but good. lCheers
Inc Meishman is full of local patriotism. If
read Irish history Alright. misfortune and cslam-
lty have welded her sons to their soil with an
embrace yet closer than is known elsewhere
Irish: but 1t does not follow that because his
local patriotism is strong he is incapable OF an
Imperial patriotism. here are TWO modes of
presenting the subject which 1 have argued.
one OF them Is to present what we now recon-
mend as good and the other is to present il as
q choice OF evils, and as the least among varied
evils with which as possibilities we are con
fronted. | do not know whether il may appear
too bold, but in nay heart | cherish The hope