The Indiana State sentinel. [volume] (Indianapolis) 1868-1895, 1886-06-09

each other are in disturbed sections with each
other. the remedy is create an absolute Iesisat-
i've Incorporation. That believe is the doctrine
on the Irish side OF the house. and they believe
the dissolution OF such interpretations is clearly
the political relations between these two cOun
tries. Opposition cheers. | do not deny that
where there is legislative incorporation under
the same Crown. where that Crown is absolute, a
great country as it was in the case of France But
what say is that this trouble as proved by his
tory, is this That when there are disturbed re-
politically associated, but not incorporated
the real remedy is to make provision for civil in
dependence subject to Imperial unity. ICheerS
Gentlemen speak OF tightening the tie between
this country and Ireland, but tightening is not
is true, was said by Mr.. Cowen. that the
severance of Legislatures has often been the union
OF countries, and the union OF Legislatures the
severance of countries. [Cheers. Can you give in
single instance from all your historical inquiries
and wish they had been wider-where an ac-
know led gment OF local Self-g0vernment has been
followed by the severance of countries. \ voice,
''Iurkey."l was just going to refer to Servia,
and to admit that where third power has inter
vened and has given liberty to the subordinate
state in defiance of the superior power make no
claim; and If you are to wait until some third
power intervenes in case of Ireland Government
and Parnen cheers as they interviewed in the
case OF America-Mr. Ashmead Bartlett: We are
not afraid. Mr.. Gladstone: ] never asked the
member whether he was afraid. Laughter. 1t
does not matter very much whether he is or not.
Renewed laughter / should like him, however,
10 cultivate a little of that early and prOvident
fear which, in the language of Burke, is the
mother of safety" / admit that in cases such as
when France and Spain lnterfered in the case OF
America, you can eXpeet nothing but sever
anee, and severance with hostile feeling on both
sides. Hear, hear. But that is not the case be-
fore us ask, for instance, where, apart from the
Intervention by France of third power, the ac
kn0wledgment OF local independence has been
followed by severance. lCheers. In the case OF
Belgium and Holland the attempt to make the Bel
gians conform to the ways and institutions of
Holland led to severance. In the case OF Denmark
the Duchies attempts to do what the gentlemen
Danish institutions and ideas.upon the Duch:es
together with an insufficient acknowledgment CT
their ancient institutions, ended in the total loss
cred. But let MS not look simply at the negative
side where local independence has been
has iEopudently interrupted me by calling OUT
Turkey ] will tell him that in the case OF Tur-
key, with its imperfect organization, where there
has not been violent Interference and the mat
ter has not been driven to the point of foreign in
terference, local autonomy has been tried with the
nearly twenty years appeared lost to Turkey. the
lessening of the ties at Constantinople has i'm
mensely improved the relations between the two.
There is no renewal of rebellion.
Churchill-There is a chronic revolution.
Gladstone-ChrOnic revolution. Give me test
of chronic revolution Has Crete paid its trib-
uie? Has it called for the armed forces OF Tur-
key to put down revolution? Cries of Yes
and 0rder."l will take another
case. Take Lebanon. About twenty
three or twenty-four years ago Lebanon was in
Austria chronic revolution under the absolute
sway oil C0nStantln0ple. IL was then placed
under system of practically local independence
and from that day to this it has resumed its
former condition. still more remarkable is the
case of the Island of SamOs. 1t has enjoyed for a
long time complete autonomy, and is now I'm a
state of attachment TO the Turkish Empire, while
conlentment with any political ties, and holds
even Turkey bears testimony to the principle of
which speak. There are numbers of other in
stances There are Norway and Sweden. That
is most remarkable because these are two
countries which are completely separated,
and yet a connection has been
found practicable only by means OF the largest
auto nOmy and independence. The case OF ben
mark and Iceland Opposition laughter. Laugh
ter is a very common weapon, and il is very diff
ii il ''' had d been twenty Or "iHi thirty or Or
forty years ago. ! could have cOntended
cheers. II, as has been said that the Parliament
of Iceland has been dissolved, it has been dis
solved. that there have been difficulties in Ice
lament of Iceland and the Crown of Denmark
but the Crown of Denmark is unhap
PLY in difficulties with the legis-
the Legislature of Denmark and the Legislature
of Iceland there has been no difficulty whatever,
but when speaker quoted Iceland the gentle.
men on the other side. with their usual mode OF
rebUke, laughed, some one, think, endeavOrlng
to dignity the laughter with an idea.
called out Iceland is so distant.
If Iceland is SO distant, spprehend
that makes it a great deal more difficult for
Dtrmark to hold her down by force, and, cOnse-
qUently, much more necessary tor Denmark TO
choose the method best in itself for securing
order.
There has been no great day of hope for Ire
land, no day when you might hope completely
and definitely TO end the controversy now until
after more than ninety years The long period OF
time has at last run out and the star has again
mounted mp into the heavens. What Ireland was
doing for herself in 179S, we at length
have done The Roman Catholics have been
emancipated- -emancipated after woeful disre-
gard OF solemn promises through twenty
years; emancipated slowly, sullenly, not from
fruits and consequences that viii follow
that method of legislation. [CheerS.
The second problem has been also
solved, and the representation of Ireland has been
reformed and am thankful to say that the fran
chise was given to Ireland, together with the re-
adjustment OF last year, with a free and open
quired 10 make the success of Ireland in her
final effort absolutely sure. Cheers. We have
given Ireland voice, we must listen to what she
says We must all listen. both sides, both parties.
i mean ss there are divided on this question
diyided-l am afraid by an almost I'M
measurable gap. Cries OF hear, hear. believe
that there is in the breast OF many man who
NEAR to vote against us tonight profound mis-
cries of no" and Home Rule cheers, that the
end will be as we fOreSee it and not as you do;
that the ebbing tide is with you, and that the
Ireland stands at your bar expectant, hopeful,
almost Suppliant. Her words are the words OF
truth and soberness, Opposition laughter and
the past, and in that oblivion our interest is a
deeper interest than hers. GO into the length and
breadth of the world ransack the literature OF
single voice, single book, and would almost
say, as much asa single newspaper article, in
which the conduct OF England towards Ireland
is anywhere treated except with profound and
bitter condemnation. Are these the traditions
by which we are expected to stand. Oh
they sad exception TO the glory of our coun-
try Cheers They are more than black plot
want to do is to stand by the traditions
of which we are the heirs in all matters
except our relations with Ireland and to make
our relations with Ireland conform to the other
traditions of our country Leheersl we treat our
traditions; we hail the demand of Ireland for
what call a blessed Oblivion of the past. She
asks, also, boon for the future, and that boon
for the future, unless we are much mis-
taken will be boon 20 in respect to honor
no less than a boon to her in respect to happi-
ness, prosperity and peace. Cheers. Think,
beseech you, think wisely, think not for the mo-
ment but think for the years to come before you
reject my plan. Loud and enthusiastic cheer
ing, during which Mr.. Gladstone resumed his
seat.
Result of the Vote.
On the question the Government was defeated