St. Paul daily globe., 1886-05-14
RESISTING HOME RULE.
Continuation Of the Debate in the Com
mons on Gladstone's Irish
Measures.
An Expectation That a Vote Will be
Reached on the Bill on
May s5.
The Premier's Wing of the Party
Said to be Losing Strength
Daily.
Royalfsts Reported to be Arming and
Drilling in Various Parts of the
Country.
The Home Rulan nehate.

The Home Rule Debate.
LONDON, May 13.-The house of COM
mons was crowded this afternoon in antici-
patton of an exciting discussion Oh the re-
sumption of the debate on the home rule
bill. IL. Campbell Bannerman, the war
secretary, in reply to Mr.. Healy. said the
statement made by William johnson, 10y
aliSt member for South Belfast, that Gen.
Lord Wolseley declared If home rule were
granted Ireland and he were ordered to
suppress all Ulster rebellion, he would re-
sign and with 1000 other British officers
join the Ulster rebels, was an abSurdity.
The secretary added that Gen. WolseIey
authorized him to formally contradict
any statement that he (Gen. Wolseleyl
ever alluded to the subject in any speech he
ever uttered. Mr.. Gladstone. replying to
Sir Michael Hicks Beach. conservative,
stated that the government would propose
that the debate on the home rule bill be
from day to day beginning ON Monday.
The government would not take Friday for
such day for debate because John Morley,
chief secretary for Ireland, would then take
occasion to move the second reading of his
bill relating to the purchase and use of arms
Irish bill was then resumed by Sir Henry
James, liberal member for Bury. He criti-
cised the measure. He said he was only
Influenced by a desire to arrive at right
and just conclusion concerning the best way
to govern Ireland [cries of Hear, hear, y
from Gladstone |. The premiers scheme
CONTAINED FIVE CONDITIONS:
unity of empire; supremacy of imperial
parliament; safeguards for rights of Irish
minority; upholding social orders, and a
final settlement of the Irish question, but
the bill offered no security whatever for the
fulfillment OF these conditions, because
whatever Irish bill England might pass
could be repealed next day by the Dublin
parliament. The speaker said he repro
bated the threat of Ulster royalists to re-
sort to arms, and every one should dis
courage such threats. But the govern
ment had mentioned what dyn-
amlterS and asSassins would 90
unless it was passed. Here John Morley
corrected the speaker by stating that what
ever had been said was that dynamiters
and assasSinS would be delighted if the bill
was rejected. Sir Henry, continuing, said
the veto provision in Gladstone's bill was
inadequate to protect the Loyalist minority,
because the police of Ireland would be the
minions majority. The minority should
not be thus deserted. Cheers The
speaker did not believe the bill would prove
final settlement of the Irish question, but
did not believe Irishmen would use it
simply as vantage ground for warfare on
England to eventually obtain
TOTAL SEPARATION.
tCries of no, no, from Parnellites. In
conclusion Sir Henry said:
I'VE have indeed now come to a parting of
roads. AS the premier says. each member
must make his choice. have made mine. ]
believe the bill will lead to confusion and
chaos. | hope the house will maintain un-
bl oxen the union as it at present exists be-
tween the three kingdoms Cheersl
II. Campbell Bannerman, secretary for
war, said he did not believe the Irish would
exhibit all the vices and none of the virtues
OF nation. The very fact that all rival
schemes for reform government in Ireland
had been Withdrawn to give the pres
ent one entire possession of the
field, testified to the soundness
of the bill. The late government allows
things in Ireland to drift till English rule
in Ireland comes to be despised. He be-
iieved tnat a majority of the house favored
the cardinal principle of the BILL If so he
would ask what could be more deplorable
than the failure of the house to give legis-
lative effect to that principle. In conclusion
Mr.. Bannerman declared that the govern
ment was quite ready to consider all sug-
gestions for retention of Irish representa-
tives at Westminster. Laughter from the
opposition benches.
MI. Morgan, under colonial secretary, re-
plying to Mr.. Charles Vincent, member
for Center Sheffield, said Earl Granville.
secretary for the colonies, cabled to the
Marquis of Lansdowne, governor general
OF Canada, asking him for full details of
the seizure of the
AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONER,
David j. Adams, at Digby, N. S., and re-
ceived reply stating that the schooner
had not complied with the maratime law;
had concealed her name, her port and regis
ter; that the case would be investigated in
the Halifax admiralty court. and that no
question of territorial waters was involved.
Resuming the debate on the home rule
bill, Il. e. Clark, conservative. said if the
bill was rejected the fact would not soon
be forgotten. This expression of opinion
was greeted with significant Parnellite
cheers. Mr.. Redmond denied that if
the bill was enacted it would
place Ireland in the position of
a colony. Mr.. Dillon said that although
he recognized the fact that the measure was
defective in some respects, he was ready to
accept it as settlement of the question
and would endeavor honestly to aid in its
enforcement in an amicable spirit as re-
CARDS both England Ulster. 1t was inn
possible, he continued that members should
think the Nationalists anxious to sit
at Westminster while the affairs of
Ireland were going on to wreck
and ruin. Irish cheers He appealed to
those who agreed to the principle of home
rule, although dissenting from the provision
of the bill involving misrepresentation of
Ireland in the imperial parliament, not to
wreck the measure on its second reading on
a point of details. Mr.. Leathem, member
from Huddersfield, reformer, asked whether
Mr.. Parnell would accept the bill as settle
ment of the Irish question. Mr. Parnell
rose in his place and emphatically replied:
yes" Mr.. Leathern then retorted that
he had been unable to gather that idea from
Mr.. ParnelPs previous speeches. Mr.. Healy
at this juncture sprang to his feet, and
turning to Parnell exctedly shouted: ''Tell
him he's liar" Uproar ensued, and MIR.
Healy resumed his seat on cries of ..order'
from all parts of the house.
AFFAIRS IN GREECE.