The Hawaiian gazette. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1865-1918, 1886-08-17

iisoussion ON this matter took place the excuse
was that. the consideration was too soon, the Su-
preme Court might reverse the decision OF the
lower court, there was no petition from Puma:
Now however that those objections are removed
the majority endeavor to sc, rid of the matter by
this suhterfuge of point of order IL reminded
him of the game of thimble.rig no outsider could
tell under which cup the pea is.
Representative heau now took the hoor aud
although il was shown TO the President, that the
member was entirely adrift In argument, and was
called to order three different times, he was allow
ed to continue. He was in favor of indefinite
postponement.
Representative Palohau favored placing the reso-
luton on the table. He considered the least said
about the matter the better. The member from
Puma did not care whether he was sent home or
not, he had obtained his 500. If new man came
he would have to be paid $50 more, thus the
district of Puma would receive $1,000
Representative kaunamano said II was true that
the two resolutions were different, but still he
would like 10 have the President give ruling IN
the matter at once.
President Walker then read the two resolutions,
and stated that to him they, although not identical
in wording vet the object attempted was the same,
therefore he would rule that the point of order
was we'll taken, and the last resolution out OF
order.
No appeal was taken from the decision OF the
Chair.
Representative Dickey moved that the rules be
suspended for the purpose of introducing the reso
luton anew, but, before the motion was acted on,
the Order of the Day was moved and carried.
The special order of the day was the consldera-
ton of the bill to extend the term of the Comms,
sion of Boundaries, and the bill was read second
time ordered TO engrcSSment, aud TO third reaulng
on Saturday, the 18th instant.
The Assembly was about to resolve into Com
mittee of the Whole for the purpose of considering
items in the Appropriation Bill, when motion
was made to adjourn until 1:15 p. m, which being
carried, the Assembly rose.
AFTERNOON.
The Assembly re-convened at LES p M, and i'm
mediately thereupon resolved into Committee OF
the Whole Hon. A. s. Cleghorn in the chair, and
Insertion in the Appropriation Bill. The following
passed:
Pay of Road Supervisors. "
Road tax unexpended, to be expended in dis
trictS where collected u.---.-.--.--.--.- Sts5'o IL
With regard to an item of $1,000 for proportion
OF cost of bridge at kapaa, Kauai the Minister or
Interior stated that Colonel z. s. Spalding, of
kapaa, had written to him, stating that If 5000
were paid TO him (Spaldin9l he would give over
his claim to the erection of the said bridge, and
the use of the same. He, the speaker, did not
consider it advisable to pay this amount, and
moved that it be struck out. Motion carried
Consideration of the following items was de
ferred for the time being viz, $1,000 for bridge
over stream as Honopahau, Kaanapali, Maui
$1,000 for roads and bridges the district of
Eau, Hawaii $500 for water pipes at Maiohinu,
Hawaii.
The next item was passed as recommended by
a committee, viz:
Road Tax 1867 TO be expended in district
where collected. Sl-O w
The next item, an. Kealoha land damages $65.'
introduced by Rep. kalua, was laid on the table
pro teW.
The Minister of the Interior stated that he had
several new items which were desirable to have
inserted, in the Appropriation Bill the first of
which
Repairs and additions to the Honolulu Water
As an SfS1ment for the favorable constellation
If he itan,s Xvbirh ha Y1roDOSad iutrOduCa the
Minister stated that last session the OF $1I5,
600. was voted to come out Of a loan and not the
ordinary revenue. He was not now in favor Of
borrowing any money, except from local persons.
He had, on the strength for the former action of
the Legislature, begun work in laying the pipes.
which for several years had been an eyesore to
everybody. This would very materially increase
the water supply. The laying of the pipes would
cost $4,000. The work can be accomplished
mainly by prison labor.
Representative Castle said he was highly de-
lighted to find that he was in accord with the
Ministers, and was glad to hear there was to be no
Loan Act. He would however ask the Minister
how he proposed to borrow money down town
without Loan Act.
The Minister of Interior stated that the esti-
mated expenditure in the Appropriation Bill was
81 $50 500 92 of which amount S267 800 wais bonds.
There had never been over estimate OF expen-
diture submitted to this House. The receipts for
the current period he estimated at three millions
dollars. Applications for land were before the
Interior Department, from which a considerable
amount would be realized. Several applications
were In for the land on the Esplanade, one
applicant Offering $4,000, and engaging to put up
building worth $4,000 on the lot. Altogether
there were fOrtysix applications for small lots OF
land, and about Sl26,0O0 was expected from that
source. The Government had established Postal
Savings Bank, the deposits in which they did not
propose TO let remain idle. Those were legitimate
sources of revenue, constituting loan from their
own people to the Government.
Representative Castle said he could not we'll
understand hou tina Ministers cOulQ eLDect to
utilize land money for general purposes when the
law of 1854 set such amounts aside as a sinking
fund for the payment of bonds when due. de
would like to know how the Government hoped
to pay the debts of the country If this sinking
fund was used for the payment of salaries, etc.
Representative Thurston said that he was In
somewhat of Quandary he did not know whether
he was a good Government man, or that the
Minister was traIaing with the Opposition, but
certainly the Minister of Interior and himself
we're on the same ground. One of the things he
should oppose with all his might was Loan Act
for general purposes of this Administration
therefore, he pleased to hear from the Minister
that he was not going to bring forward the Loan
Bill. He agreed with the Minister, that this was
not the time to negotiate loans. One thing how
ever, which was not explained was how the Gov
ernment was going to take the water without pay
ing the people having rights IN it.
The Minister said he was not aware that there
were private rights in the way. He thought all the
right belonged to the Grown.
Representative ThursiOn said that he could
positively say that the Minister was in error for
he, Ihurston. owned part of the rights himself
Laughter. In the past the Government had
tried the experiment Of taking the water without
permission OF those having the night and az con-
sequence the Government was sued and lost.
Water rights existed all the way along from
Woods place at Suuanu Valley clear down to
Palama.
Representative Castle did not think the men,
bers Of the Ministry knew much about the matter,