New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1886-04-14
ENDING THE IRISH DEBATE.
THE BILL TO BE INTRODUCED
pARCOvRT REPLYING TO CHAMBERLAlNS
SPEECH
tR. GoscHEN's APPEAL FOR UNITY OF The en-
PIRK-sPEECH BY SIR MCHAEL HICKS
BrACH-GLADsToNE CLOSES THE
DISCUSSION


DISCUSSION.
LONDON, April 13.-Sir William vernon
uarcourt Chancellor OF the EIchequer, tonight re-
.umed the debate the Irish bill! In the House Oh |o"
mons lie began his speech by remarxing that muse
who condemned tho Governments Irish measure laied
10 state an acceptable alternative scheme Nooouy ac-
cepted Mr. Trevelyan's plan. and Mr Chamberlain pro
ec, was In turn repudated by Lord Harrington and Mr
Treyelyan. Mr.. Chamberlain had propounded soheine
OF great importa tance. but that scheme had never
submitted to the Government He tMr Cn" ."
had recommended federation What were 70 70
.eparate bodies in Great Brtrin ana ireisno ""'n 49,
a., n. ,ha subject matter federation reconnehoeo
Mr. Chamberlain hat plan ITO stay e'c'ion' W ~" " "
Parliament Who was agreed TO that pohcy Lou ~
cot the adhesion of Lord Harrington Had ne got 'ne
adhesion of Mr. Gosclen or the adhesion OF te rsh'
honorable gen tcman the noble lord opposite III he
had not the speaker should ike 10 Rho"
how 1t practicable pohcy,
Lord Harrington had SAID ne u'u
mo, admit the Inpo.sbilty OF governing Ireland by
mingled system Of remedial and repressve legislation
!, ras to the adminisira Of Lord Spencer that ne
thoncht the Government Of Ireland ought to be re-
stored 1t had been stated by Lord Harrington that
whatever the fate OF tins measure was the mere h''o
anc,ion of IT by a responsible Governmsnt wonld DO
much that could never recalled. That was perfectly
bu IL was equally true OF the events OF last june
The cuuenccs OF those events could never be re-
called Those events entirely changed the whole aspect
OF the IRISH question. Tho course then taken made
Home Rule inevitable. ICrcs OF "Oh on anu
laughter.l
rho sneaker said he did no, want to speak a spirit
NJ Marty recrmnatIon of the late Govern
ucui was condemnation of the policy OF Earl spencer
II made a the system OF Government admin
tored By Earl Spencer impracticable. LJrd spencer
himself was of that opinion. Irish cheersI Inc
sneaker TAINTED the opponents OF this measure WIN nav
ING no basis for An agreement the Irish policy Did
MI Goschen, he asked, approve NJ Chamberlain pan
for a central council at Dublin or the suspension OF
eviction Had the Conservative leaders policy except
condemnation OF Nj GladstOne's scheme
Lord Randolph Churchu!-ies; they are against re-
pealin any shape or form. Cheers.
The speaker retorted: That might mean as much as
Lord deuunclaon OF the 50 frabchlse at
tie very when he designed TO carry through
household suffrage measure" lLauShteEI Continuing
be said the was. that there was 10 alternative to
the pan the Government except the severest CO.
,yclop. That would require strong Government a
government determined, persistent. in harmony Win
itself supported by an overwhelming majority In FAR
lament AID IN the country. such government hsd
been dreamed OF resulting from truce Of party spirit
and end OF party warfare. But was not by the
breaking up OF partic. strong government could
be formed
Referring 10 the secess OIL OF arstocrats" from the
Ministry sorry for them, only that II
would be best for the arstocracy For II the arisocras
Of England ranged hemselpoe with party ascendancy In
Ireland then the democraOy Of England would side
the Irish. Liberal aud Parnclliie cheers. mingled
with bis.e. and cries OF Shame! Did they think 1t
possible to a policy Of coercion Ike Crolhwehs
out OF the broken fragments OF shattered party
policy Of coercion ike strong drink the more
taken the wanted. Ho would not deny that
sucn policy might he popular. The war with the
Colonies was popular. 1t excited the PRIDE
and passions Of the people but they became SICK OF IL
st last (Cheers so coercion. If again tried. mus
rS the leugth suspension of every elementary
right of Irshnen. and the result would make tho Rad
ical party sick OF ministerial cheersl They would
again find coercion would fall and they would be
forced back on Home act OF concession,
but as an act OF capitulstOn.
Reference" continued the speaker. has been made
10 the Irish in America THIS House cannot for mo
ment be Influenced by the action OF The das"dy a'sas'
aus ike Ford and others But the irish uatioh ID
America is as numerous the Iris sh arc at home
All possess tho same instinct and the same
,ympatLies They have not been parties
TO tie actions OF assassins Hear! HearD Ihe'e
actions of assassins receive universal coudemnaton
from the people Of United States Irish and Liberal
cheers But If reject this bill do you believe are
you there Will not. bc sympathy WIZ" thoso's
sasslns aud their schemes Misses and cries OF oh Oh
hecve there Will be universal condemnation and dis
appreciation thin King Ieopclrsh and AIheI
can-of such treatment Of the Irish people. Irish
cheers
ADDRESS OF MR. GosCHEN
Mr.. Goschen rising was greeted with loud cheers
He referred William HarcOurrs speech as melan-
ehOy revelation Of the impotence OF Parliament 10 deal
with a most important crisis Sir William iiarcourt he
said was not first Minister who suggested certain
calanities ensuing rejection of the bill. Parlia
ent being almost tcrrorized TO pass the BILL They
were that there spirit or consstent
policy in England TO deal with the crisis. Why should
Fir William Harcourt Mr.. Morley and other speakers
make references TO the Irish beyond the
sca they desired not to deal with the bil on It's
merits. but to terrorize Parliament lCheersl
The Ministerial defence OF the bill had been slight The
bill had sreds yet there had been no de-
fence for H. Questions had been asked regarding the
power OF veto, the two orders sitting together and the
financial PROPOSALS defenders OF t2e bin had Is
these questous adduchg the single argument thst
the Dil the sole alternative and must DE passed
They were indeed told that because eightyslx Irish
IcIubere we're determined upon having Home Rule,
therefore be granted suppose these eightys1
members had gone further and asked for separation
without any checks should Parliament Dc equay oouhu
TO concede they accepted TINS doctrine ana wales
and Scotland asked for separation. In what position
England would be! What, under this system OF the
voice OF hostile majority holding sway. became of the
voice of Ulsteri had spoken OF the foreign
gsrb In which the laws placed before the Irish
people being the whole basis Of the mischief would
the Irish people satisfied with these identical
laws placed before them In native dress Cres OF
No
There the fearful aeraran problem which had
hitherto bsfied the efforts OF all Statesmen.
The real basis OF the mischief was that
tue views OF the majority of tho Irish people
OF the chief prime pics OF legislation we're different from
those held In Eng glaud and Scotland-from those
rent in every civilized country. Parneilite cries OF
No, Mol, , The attitude OF the Irish on agrarlan
laws and Oh questions OF contract held sacred IN other
countries was a hostile attitude. Never had mo
rent" manifesto found acceptance in any other coun-
tn in Europe lParnete cries of ut was necessary
That's Just it," continued the speaker "Iho rish
party are contendipg revolutionary change I'D tue
laws Of ireland which would make those laws olnoron
from those of every other civilized country lCheersI
Mr.. Goschen contended that there was no ahsi'
ogy between the position of Ireland and England ana
that Of Norway and Sweden or Austria and hungary
IRISH and English interests he said wero 80 ihtetacou
that when they come to the finance question they