The Indiana State sentinel. [volume] (Indianapolis) 1868-1895, 1886-06-09


| come after us may bear witness we have not
betrayed our trust" Loud cheers.l
At the conclusion of Mr.. Goschen's ad
dress Charles Stewart Parnell addressed
| the House, and was followed by Sir Michael
ks-Beach against IL. Mr.. Gladstone fol-
lowed. On arising he was loudly cheered
GLADsToNE's SPEECH.
He expressed his pleasure at having
| listened TO the mastery cxpositiOn-"I can
! not call it less-of the member from Cork
| Loud cheers and opposition laughterl /
| feel a strong conviction that speeches
| couched in a tene marked alike by sound
craftsmanship and far-seeing moderation will
never fail to produce lasting effect upon the
| minds and convictions of the people of Eng
| land and Scotland. With respect to the per-
sonal question that has arisen between Mr.
Parnell and Sir Michael ks-Beach, think
| it no part of my duty to interfere. Lord
Randolph Churchill-"Hear, hear l shall
| avoid in the discussion of this question as
far as / can all matters of
purely polemical character between
| party and party. presume the
subject will be carried further. Parnellite
cheers. 1 understand a distinct allegation
to be made bv Mr. Parnell in regard to some
person whose name he has not given, one of
limited body, and conclude it will not be
| difficult TO procure, if it can be given de-
nial. l presume a distinct allegation has
| been made to some person whose name he
| does not give. This will open out matter
| of public interest, and the gentleman opposite
| will do me the Justice to admit that | have
| not sought before taking office to make an
| attack upon the conduct they pursue. If
| they do not like to do me justice, l shall not
ask it. Mr.. Beach began by stating in series
| what he succinctly described as simple facts.
l will not say that his simple facts are pure
fiction. But Mr.. Beach declares, though |
do not see that it has much to do with
| the matter, that this is the bill of one
man. Well, | am amazed to hear my oppO-
nenIs speak as if they had been at my elbow
| all day throughout the winter. Mr., Cham
berlain could only speak within the compass
of his knowledge, and if he said it was bill
of one man he would know no more about
it than a measure opposite. But, sir, long be-
fore that time the leading details of the bill
had been a matter of anxious consideration
between me and my nearest political friends.
The noble Lords sarithmetic is still more de
fective. A party of 335 is, l apprehend, by
50 votes larger than party of 250. Re
newed laughter Then, the right honor
able gentleman says that excepting one point
the customs and excise duties, no change
was made in the bill after it was submitted
| to the Cabinet. He has no means of
knowing that it were true and it happens to
be entirely untrue. Laughter. This is a
matter of great importance, though it is one
that has never been seen by Mr.. Chamber
lain. He took exception to certain provis
ions of the bill without being acquainted
with the whole case. That is a fact. Mr.
his simple facts. Then Mr.. Beach
says that / announced to the House that
the bill was not to be reconstructed. | said
| nothing of the kind. ICrles of ''Ohp' ''Oh!'
and cheers. i announced that / had not
promised that it should be reconstructed
| and there are gentlemen opposite who think
it a matter of laughter cries of "Oh!"
"Oh!"l who see no distinction between
promising that the bill shall not be recon
structed and not having promised
that it shall be reconstructed. Laughter. ]
| A person who has promised that a bill
shall be reconstructed X hound to re
construct it, Lcheersl and is that true?
| Liberal cheers a person who has not
promised is free to reconstruct it without
! promising. [Cheers l am glad to see that
| the laughter of the opposition has now
ceased. Cheers and laughter Well, sir
can not help, observing that l was struck
with an observation of Mr.. Beach:
He says the bill will be rejected
whateve else happens by a vote of a
majority of the Scotch and English mem
| bers Opposition cheers and in that ooser.
vation he was cheered by those who teach
US that they are above all anxious fear for
| the maintenance of the United Kingdom
Parliament, IN which Irish members are in
all respects to be assimilated to the English
and Scotch members. lCheers and counter
cheers ]
Well, Sir Michael talks about dissolution,
and L glad to find that upon that point
he and / are moe e nearly associated than
upon almost any other point OF this contro-
versy. Loud ministerial cheers. After
what Mr.. Beach has said and the acquaint-
ance he has shown with the history of the
bill, and after all that was SAID
by Mr.. Goschen, must again
refer to the exact position in
which some of the members stand with re.
gard to the bill. In the first place. l take it
to be absolutely beyond disputes upon broad
high Parliamentary grounds that that which
is to be voted upon tonight is the principle
of the oil as distinct from the particulars
OF the bill. Cheers What may be the
principle of the bill grant that have no
authority to determine, but it is our
| duty to give our own construction of the
principle of the bill. | think l drew a con-
tirmation of construction from the speech
| of Mr.. Beach, because he himself said that
| this was bill for the purpose of establish
| ing a legislative body in Ireland tor
| the management of Irish affairs. L appre-
hend it to be beyond all question that the
members voting for the principle OF the bill
are entirely and absolutely free [cheersl.
and that if they think there is any set of
provisions by means of which better
and fuller effort may be given to the
| principles of the bill, they at
| liberty to dlsplace all the uetalls.
| Cheers. That does not admit OF doubt.
| Well, the Government have taken certain
engagements. They have taken an engage
ment as TO taxation for the Intervention of
| the Irish to the terms of which l need not
| now refer.
One more question has been raised with re-
| spect to other amendments to the bill. OF
| course, as to the freedom of members to sug
gest other amendments, l say nothing,
| but in reference to our duty there
can be no question at all that our
| duty, if an interval is granted US, If the
circumstances of the present session require
| the withdrawal of the bill, ifit is to be re-
( introduced with amendments at an early
| date in the autumn, of course it is our duty
| to amend our bill with every real amend
ment, every real improvement-withw what
everis calculated to make it more effective
| and acceptable. [Cheers.l
| For the attainment of its end we are per-
| fectly free to deal with them, but it would
be the meanest, basest act on the part of the
| Government to pretend that they have
plan of reconstruction ready before hand,
cut and dried in their minds at time when,
| from the very nature of the cause,
| it must be obvious that it is perfectly clear
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