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FROM ALL QUARTERS.
MR.. CHAMBERLAIN TALKS
His Attitude Toward Home
Rule.
THE WHITE HOUSE WEDDING
Miss Folsom Off For The
Capital.
THE TAMMANY CHIEF DEAD.
A Conspiracy to Dust Pow
derby.
THE HOME RULE DEBATE.

THE HOME RULE DEBATE.
Mr.. Chamberlain Explains His Posi-
tfon i'm am Elaborate Speech-The
Country He Says Approves the
Principle But Not the Methed of
GladstOnesS Bill. y
LONDON, June When Mr.. Joseph
Chamberlain arose in the House of Commons
this evening to resume the debate of the
home rule bill he was received with derisive
cheers, bowls and groans from tbs Parnellite
benches and desultory cheers and other
signs OF appreciation from his adherents. He
would, he said, have voted for an abstract
resolution in favor of an Irish parli ament
sistent with his own policy in regard to the
government of Ireland. The governments
bill being entirely inconsistent with his
views, and for that matter wofu1ly incon-
sistent with many of the recently expressed
vi Jews of its author, he was constrained to
declare himself unalterably opposed to it.
He had no apology to make for his attitude;
none were necessary. He did not stand up
on the defensive and had no time to waste
refute the assertion put forth by Mr.. Ed
mund Dwyer-Gray, member for Dublin city,
that he (Mr. Chamberlain) was the
author of the article upon the SUBJ
ject of national councils recently pub
lished in the Fortnightly Review.
Mr.. Gray was aware when he made the asser-
ton that he (Chamberlain) was not the au-
thor of the article and was well aware of the
name of the person who did write it, More
Nv a.
knew full well that the details of the article,
which was written by an Irishman, were
supplied from Irish sources. at myself
said Mr.. Chamberlain, waxing vehement,
possess incontrovertible and incontestable
proof that many of the gentlemen eminent
among the leaders of the Nationalist party
heve approved the principle of national coun-
cils." Here the Parnellite members sp1ang
to their feet and interrupted the speaker with
bowls, groans and cries of ''Names! Give
their names!" while the occupants of the
and Wing benches cheered lus-
tily. Each side seemed to be endeavoring to
outlast the other in contributing to the
confusion and for several minutes
simply went beyond description or real
lzation. During the continuance of the dis
order Mr.. Chamberlain stood in his place,
his arms folded across his breast and smil-
ing placidly upon the House. When the
uprosr had subsidized he continued his
speech, but failed to satisfy the Parnellites'
demand for the names of the Irish states
men who had approved the principle. In
Mr.. Chamberlain explained at
great length why he deemed the conces-
sions which Mr.. Gladstone had made mad
equate.
The House was crowded to it's utmost
capacity and considerable excitement pre-
vailed during the debate. The disturbed
state of feeling among the members COM
inundated itself to the visitors in the gal
pressed excitement prevailed in and about
the House tonight than has been
manifested upon any other occasion
since the home rule debate began.
Mr.. Chamberlain said he did not propose to
make any reply to personal references to
himself, that style of argument being in his
estimation below the level of a great consti-
tutional discussion. The opponents of the
home rule bill believed the measure if ap-
piled would have a mischievous effect on
Ireland land cause an indefinite postpone
ment of really satisfactory settlement of
the Irish question. No man should vote for
a bill of this magnitude to establish the rec
should support bill he did not thoroughly
believe in and whose details he could not
endorse, and he would do
Mr.. Gladstone the Justice to say he did not
believe the Premier could accept a vote of
the House in favor of the bill if given with the
that it would be received
as an approval of a resolution only.
Had the government, continued Mr.. Cham
berlain, submitted mere resolution affirm
ing the principle of legislative autonomy for
Ireland, he could have given it his approval
and support because that would have been
with the creation of chamber
like the Grattan parliament or the estab
lishment of council such as he had sug-
gested and which before now had received
the support of the Nationalist leader. par
nellite yells and cries of "Who supported
ita" mingled with Wing and Tory cheers.)
The proposal laid before the House by the
government pledged the House to support
the principles from which Mr.. Gladstone
had said it could never depart. Mr.. Glad
stone had practically stated that the bill
would be suspended after its second read
ing until October, when it would be rein
PRODUCED without any alterations except
certain changes concerning the r.
ish representation in the imperi-
al parliament. Such changes would
pose the bill upon grounds intimately con-
nected with the question of Irish representa-
ton and who do not wish to reduce Ireland
to the condition of self-governing colony.
In order to take part in legislation, to pro-
vide for expenses such as those of war with |
Russia or the late campaign in Egypt
the Irish members would be required to be
present in the imperial parlia-
ment. 1t would be impossible to make the
House huctuating body and it would be
equally unwise, if not impossible. to create
an Irish parliament which would be a subor-
dinate and not coordinate body. What he
(Mr. Chamberlaip) wanted was to prevent
l. To Iao1o
Westminster or in Dublin.
Mr. Chamberlain said he had been asked
to state an alternative. He had suggested
certain lines upon which the measure might
have proceeded, but his plan had been de-
scribed as "Popkins' plan" and its approvers
called ''puny whipsters" by Mr.. Healy, whose
physique enabled him to look
downupon men who had notbt en- favored by
providence with the great personal giftswhich
he possessed. daughter in which the Parnel-
lites ioinedj The lines of his scheme would
be found in the constitution OF Canada and
not in the relations between Canada and
England. In regard to Ulster he would re-
mind the House that the Canadian constitu
ton united the two provinces. This
was found not to answer and
the two provinces were consequent
ly separated, each now enjoying autonomy
under the Dominion parliament, which was
composed of representatives according
to the number of people to De represented
and possessed the right of veto, and he would
add that the right was exercised very fairly.
He had heard nothing from Mr.. Gladstone
to alter his determination to oppose the sec
ond reading of the bill. The opponents of
the measure were threatened with dissolu-
ton, but he would take this opportunity to
say that dissolution had no terrors for him.
Doubtless he said the democracy had pas
sionate devotion to Mr.. Gladstone which he
had earned by fifty years of public service.
The democracy was practically unanimous
in favor of giving the Irish people greater
control over their over affairs, but was by no
means unanimous regarding the methods of
giving and exercising that control. It was
upon Mr. Gladstone's methods and not upon
his principles that they were now
going to the country for decision. He
hoped that the contest at the polls would be
marked by a fairer temper than had been
lately displayed Mr.. Chamberlain said he
had been accused of personal spite, especially
by the Irish members, who had formerly
assailed Earl Spencer and Mr.. Gladstone in
similar manner The charges were unjust.
There was not a man who did not know that
personal aad political interests would lead
him to cast his lot with Mr.. Gladstone. He