New-York tribune., 1886-06-08
TIE FINAL DEBATE on THE BILL.


MR.. GoscHEN's SUMMING UP-TnE TROUBLES IN
IRELAND.
George ]. Goschen Liberal resumed the debate on
the bill lie said the measure was called message OF
peace Ireland which the Premier said would be torn
to fragments forthwith after its second reading The
sovereignty OF the Imperial Parliament depended on
clauses which it highly probable the majority OF the
House would never consent TO. II the bill passed
tremendous struggle would be begun by the Catholic
clergy Of Ireland for the control OF education In that
country. Regarding the question whether the bill would
prove final settlement OF the Irish difficulty or lead to
eventual separation Mr. Goschen said he did not think
IT would prove iinalty That would depend entirely on
the assurances given by the members The Premier
at one time was supposed to have given pledge TO re-
construct the BILL but he subs gucnty Indignantly re-
pudiated that assumption
Mr. Gladstone (Interruptingl-That is a gross error.
What the gentleman thinks looked like Indignation Was
my eager reputation of the cool statement that had
resolved to reconstruct the bill
Mr.. Goschen, resuming, said he saw the distinction,
but was unable to the Prewer could avoid the
difficulty The House was now informed that the Dill
was not to be reconstructed. lCries Of on" "Oh!
and cheers amidst which Mr. Gladstone expressed
signs of dissenl Were the Government going to stand
by their bill mott Loud Opposition cheers
The Premier is anxious to learn from his sup
porters what they will authorize him give than he Is
to insist upon knowing what the Parneites VIII accept
lCheersl His Is different IL had been shown that
the British Parliament not inclined 10 consider Mr.
Parnel its dictator. loud cheers during the re-
cess" said Mr. Goschen " heard one. Minister
of the Crown say certain that Mr. Parnell would
be dictator In tho coming session. think however,
that Mr.. Parncrs followers will now acknowledge that
there are limits whercat they SEQ many
who are prepared to grant some iegis-
lative autonomy Ireland would draw the
line The House will remember the first read
ing OF this BILL and 1t will recall the Right Hon. Chief
Irela "a
suberranean forces We do not hear so much thereof
now curtain has been dropped over those terrible
times and tragedies which have scarcely faded from our
memories alarmed Home Secretary Of the Premers
last Government able TO reappear as Chancellor
OF the Exchequer. with great locularity and hsht
to make merry what he calls the meo-
dramatic tcrrors.
4" [ wonder whether this began the day when he
first pinned his Ministerial uniform the
Home Rule badge OF the Parnetes to we ar Loud Op'
position cheers We know that truce has been pro-
claimed, and OF tho dark suberranean FORCES
have been told of to terrfy British public opinion.
They ara simply holding their hands though The devil
is still working IN soma parts Of Ireland lCheers The
British Democracy asked to do justice IParnete
cheers but they win require to sec ,, justice lice
Parnellites would have used their great Influence
and organization TO help discover the perpetrators
of these vile outragcs Opposition cheers don't say
they do II The matter may have passed oeySna n
sns,r e ars asked to place the Of life
the hands Of anew and untutored eteenve ana ~ .ne
same uo rclinQush the control OF the police Par
nellite cries OF NOl No!I
Tho presence OF Irish members at Westminster Is In
compatible with separate Irish Parliament IL Will DO
impossible TO include Ulster IN . Dublin Pariia.
nent [Parnellite cries OF mol No!I Is the
Home Rule bill ihseparaby tied up with the
Land Purchase scheme I 'Oh! on : and cheers i
have seen correspondence In when tho Premier
stated that subjects were inscparabe In the ninas
of the Government 1 am entitled TO know whether II
Home Rule bill be returned In the autumn IL w % DO
npaned by the Land Purchase bill would also
ike to know whether any Of light regarding ulster
mas penstratcd the open mind OF the Government Are
tho members OF the House to remain Ignorant 70
whether the Government intends TO ignore listers
earnest pleadngs Opposition cheers and irlsn cries
"Why. the same Ulster" Mr. Goschen said, "that the
Premier referred 10 when he introduced the BILL lOP-
position cheers -, ,, \.
No hops had been rendered that clause "a would DO
dI opped and the
of tho Irish members from the lmperiar ParlamenI
Irish representation In tho House OF Commons ied u
recty tho question OF the sovereignty OF paraen.'
which n not destroyed would be Impaired aud weak
ened. lie not believe Protestsnts would be perse,
cuted He believed the Irish members we're sincerely
anxious 10 prevent clerical ascendancY aimed al