St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1886-04-10
For the Rule of Ireland Given a VigOr-
Gus Turning Over in the House
of Commons.
Violent Opposition Speeches by Liberals,
Among Them Those of Chamber
lain and Harrington.
memberment--Morley's Strong
Defense.
Debate TO Close on Mondays the Bud
get TO Come Tuesday and the
Land Bill Thursday.
Yesterday i'm the Commons.


visitors were the Dukes of Connaught and
Cambridge and many peers and ambassa-
dOrs. Although the attendance shared the
intense interest that is taken in the debate
on the Irish bill, public excitement has
somewhat abated. Mr.. Gladstone was
cheered when he arose and said that the
debate would be continued until Monday,
when he hoped TO close the discussion. He
announced that the budget would be intro
duced on Tuesday and the Irish land bill
on Thursday, the latter being a necessary
supplement to the home-rule bill. He pro-
posed that the house adjourn for q week at
Easter. Mr.. Chamberlain was received
with faint cheers upon rising to resume the
debate. He said that he rose more for the
purpose OF making personal explanation
than with the object OF entering upon de-
tailed discussion of the speech of Mr.. Glad
stone. Continuing, he said that when he
was asked to join the government he told
Mr.. Gladstone that he did not think it pos
sible 10 reconcile a separate parliament at
Dublin, as demanded by the Irish members.
with the conditions of full guarantees for
the security of the empire. and Mr.. Glad
stone informed him that all he wanted then
was an independent inquiry into the sub
ject OF the government of Ireland. He
wrote letter to Mr.. Gladstone on Jan. 8,
in which he explained that he could not
consent TO the establishment of
A SEPARATE PARLIAMENT
in Dublin, and it was on that understanding
that he consented 10 join the cabinet He
had presumed from what Mr.. Gladstone
had told him that the whole cabinet would
| proceed step by step in consultation TO build
scheme for home rule not involving sep
paration. IL was not until March Is that
Mr.. Gladstone startled the cabinet by bring
ing forward a scheme involving the issue
of $50. 900. coo in consols. At this point
Mr.. Gladstone interrupted and reminded
Mr.. Chamberlain that he had not received
permission of her majesty's government to
reveal the land proposals. Mr.. Chamber
lain continuing, said that he would
reserve his explanation. He did not
resign on the land-purchase proposals
alone, but on the whole scheme. Still,
he asked, how could he explain his position
if his hands were tied. conservative
cheers. He asked If he might be permit
ted 70 read his letter to Mr.. Gladstone.
Here an angry discussion took place be-
tween Mr.. Chamberlain and Mr.. Gladstone.
| The latter declared that he could not go
| beyond the limits of the permission
| given Mr.. Chamberlain. who thereupon
complained that his explanation would be
lame and incomplete. He would never be
able to justify his conduct to the house and
to the country. He took four principal
objections to the scheme for the govern
ment Of Ireland. The first was the pro-
posal to exclude the Irish members from
Westminster. His second objection was
to renouncing, as proposal, the exercise OF
the right of
IMPERIAL TAXATION.
In the third place he objected to the sur
render of the appointments of judges and
magistrates, and finally he objected to the
supreme authority given 10 the Irish parlia-
ment in matters not specially excluded
from its authority. Since he had loft the
cabinet. he said, an important change had
been made by retaining power over the
customs and excise duties, but the pro-
posal now appeared utterly inconsistent
with the principal that taxation and
representation should go together. He
further objected to any scheme that laid
upon the British taxpayer tre-
as such a project could only be looked
!. upon as a bribe TO modify the
hostility of Irish land owners to home rule.
He did not believe that the Irish people
would agree to be deprived of all voice in
the control of matters and policies in which
they were deeply interested, and he asserted
that Ireland was being asked to occupy a
degrading position, which the people would
never accept Further, the contribution
which Ireland was TO be called on to pay to
| the Imperial treasury was fixed by the
scheme and could not be increased even in
case the United Kingdom should be placed
in position of the direst peril, and where
then, he asked, was the integrity of the
empire? The financial question, he con-
tinued, divided itself into ten parts. The
English taxpayer would object to
ANY ADDITIONAL BURDEN
being thrown on him to make good Irish
deficiencies, and the Irish taxpayers, il
there was deficiency In the budget owing
| to the failure of excise and customs duties,
would be called on to pay new taxes, failing
in which, the government would be obliged
to repudiate their obligations. The scheme
would be accepted grudgingly, and in the
course of two years there would be an at
tempt to revise or alter it. As for himself,
rather than face the future agitation which
would be certain to prevail between the two
countries, rather than face the distractions
and foreign complications which would
arise by having quasi-independent gov
eminent, he would vote for separa-
ton pure and simple. loud cheers.
The opponents of the governments scheme
were told that the only alternative was
coercion. That was not his alternative
The agrarian discomfort had arisen chiefly
through evictions by landlords. He would
propose to deprive landlords of the power
to evict for six months, quarantining then
six months, the land being security for the
sum advanced. During this period peace
commission, composed of members every
section represented in parliament, could
conduct an exhaustive inquiry into the lanC
question. Besides this he looked for solu.
ton of the home rule matter in the direc
tion of federation. He was not, he de
clared, pedantically pledged to his former
proposals for national council. Under {
federatian Ireland would remain an integral
portion of the empire. The principle o.
federation had been successful in Italy
Germany and America would be asserted
Maintain the imperial unity, and at the
same time satisfy the desires of the Irisl
people for local self-government.
MR.. HEALY
taunted Mr.. Chamberlain with using hi
five years experience to attack ministe
of fifty years experience. he rldiculet
the scheme Of Mr.. Chamberlain as imprac
ticable and as involving an indefinite post
ponement Of legislation. How could they
he asked. set up federation in Irelant
without first starting some kind of loca
legislature. Mr.. Chamberlain's speech wa
received with marked coldness. Sir Johl
Lubbock Iiberal) said he believed If tn
bill passed at all it would be against tn
wishes of the great majority of the peopl
of the country. The bill was entirely op
posed to the views expressed by tn
premier in his Midlothian speeches. and 1t
result will be the dismemberment Of In
empire. Marquis Harrington rose to speal