Morning journal and courier., 1886-04-09


 lament would have nothing to do with coin ing or legal tender. The subject of postof-
 fee would be left to the judgment of Parlia- ment, though the government was inclined to the view that it would be more convenient to leave postoffice matters in the hands of the postmaster general. Quarantine and one CT two other subjects were left in the same category.
 The next subject he had to approach was that of the composition of the proposed legis- lative body. The bill he proposed to intro duce provided for two orders which would sit and deliberate together with the right of
 voting separately on occasion and on demand of either body, which should be to interpose 8 veto upon any measure for a limited time either until the dissolution or for three years. The orders would be constituted as fellows
 First, there were the twenty eight representa- tive peers who could not continue to sit in the House of Lords after the representatives of the Irish people left this House. They would have the option of sitting as a portion of the first order in the Irish parliament with the power of sitting for life. Some people thought that option was not likely to be largely used, but he was not of that number. (Cries of Hear. HearD He proposed that with the twenty-eight peers now in the House of Lords there should sit sev- enty- five representative elected by the Irish people, With regard to the powers of election the constituency be composed of occupiers of land of the value of e25 and upward and the representatives would be elected for ten years. The property quail fcation of representatives would be 9200 annual value OF capital value of E4, coo. He proposed that the hundred and one Irish members III this House should be members of the Irish parliament and whilst the order of the legislative body would consist of one hundred and three members, the second or der would consist of two hundred and six. It was proposed to retain the viceroy, but he would not be the representative of party or go out of office with the outgoing govern ment. The Queen would be empowered to delegate to him any prerogative she now en- joyed or would enjoy. The religious disability now existing would be removed. With re- gard to judges who had been concerned in the administration of criminal law in Ireland, he her mai majority might daa, if , she oonssg1 saw an ante-date of the pensions of those par ticular judges, but in future the judges were to be appointed by the Irish government and to be paid out of the consolidated fund and to be removable only on joint address of the two orders. The constabulary would remain under the present terms of service and under the present authority. The charge for constabulary was now a million and half pounds annually, and he felt con- fident that the charges would be reduced, but for the present he proposed to relieve the Irish legislative body of all expenditures for constabulary in excess of a million pounds per annum. The government had no desire to exempt the peace of Ireland in aitimate control of the Irish iegisla- tive body. He had no jealousy on that subject as the care of providing for the ordinary security of life and properGy was the first duty of a local government. With respect to the civil service, the govern ment did not think their case was the same as that of the constabulary and it's trans fer to the legislative body would effect great He therefore thought it would be wise to authorize civil servants to claim the pension that would be due them upon the abolition of their offices, provided they served two years in order to prevent inconvenience from rapid transaction of the service and at tle close of that time both parties should be f-se to negotiate afresh. That was all he had to say on the subject of the new Irish constitution.
 They now stood face to face with what was termed Irish nationality, venting itself in demand for general self-government in Irish not in imperial affairs. "The oonclusion," Mr. Gladstone said, 'I hold is that there is such thing as local patriotism which in it. self is not bad, but good. (Cheers.) If I have read Irish history aright misfortune and calamity have welded her sons to their soil with embrace yet closer than is known elsewhere and the Irishman is still more pro- foundly Irish. But it does not follow that be- cause his local patriotism is strong that he should be incapable of an imperial patriotism There is view which rests upon basis Of despair, of the absolute condemnation of Ire
 land and Irishmen as exceptions to the bene icial provisions which have made in general and in particular Englishmen and Americans, capable of self-government; that an Irishman is lusus natura; that jus tice. common sense, moderation and natural have no meaning for him; that all he can understand and all that he can appre- ciate is strife and perpetual dissensions. Now, sir, I am not going to argue in this House whether this view-this monstrous view Cheers from the Parnellites) )-is 8 cor rect one. say an Irishman is as capable of loyalty as any other man (renewed cheers from the Irish members) but if his loyalty has been checked, why is it9 Because the not present themselves to him as they do to us in England or Scotland with native and congenial el ement. 1 have no right to say that Ireland through her constitutionally elected members will accept the measure propose. hope they will, but have no right to assume 1t, nor have I any power to enforce it upon England and Scotland but rely upon the patriotism and sagacity of the House on free and full and more than all upon the just and generous sentiment of the two British nations, and looking forward ask the House to apply to Ireland the happy experience we have gained in England and Scotland where & course of generations has now taught us not as dream, theory, but as a matter of practice and life-that the best and surest we can find to build on is foundation afforded by the affections and convictions of the will of man; that it is thus by the decree of the Almighty, far more than by any other method we may be entitled to secure at once the social happiness, the pow er and the permanence of the empire.'
 Mr. Gladstone resumed his seat amid burst of cheers which lasted many minutes.
 Mr. George Otto Trevelyan, who recently resigned the secretaryship for Scotland, upon quiet being restored, in accordance with his previous announcement that he would ex- plain his reason for resigning from the Cab inet arose and said he resigned with regret, but without hesitation, as staying in the Cabinet would be a confession on his part of afiliation with the Liberal home rule party. 'I could never consent to MT. Gladstones scheme," he continued, "a total sepa- ration was preferable" The country would then know the worst. He would propose, he concluded, to maintain law and order by means of 8 central govern ment with freely elected bodies who would be responsible for local government. The ex- remarks were listened to in sl- lence by all but the Parnellites, who ire ouentIy broke forth in derisive cheers.
 Mr. Parnel1 followed MT. Trevelyan and was listened to by the House with rapt attention. He said that at this time it was of course impossible for him to be thor oughly familiar with the provisions of the bill which MT. Gladstone has just laid be- fore the House. He therefore reserved the of full opinion on the Premier's scheme until he had carefully examined the measure in detail, but he believed the main points of the plan which Mir. Gladstone had expounded would, if carried into successful operation, not only prove beneficial from an Irish point of view, but he believed would also be found to be of equal bepait to Eng land. The bill, however, he said was i'm perfect in some points and would need careful revision. Apart from it's defects, few of which he had attempted to enumerate, he believed the
 measures would be cheerfully accepted by the
 Irish people and their representatives as
 satisfactory solution of the long-standing dis
 pute, and tending to promote the peace of
 Ireland and the satisfaction of England.
 When Mir. Parnell took his seat the Irish
 members rose in body cheering vociferously
 for some time. They were joined by Mr
 Gladstones supporters.
 The Rt. Hon. D. R. Plunkett, M. F. for
 Dublin university, in a brief speech predict
 ed that the measure would be greeted by public
 oy,inio,, ,ritb and alarm He