New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1886-12-12
EXPENSES or THE POLICE BOARD,
PENSIONS. SIGNALS. PATROL WAGONS.
DISCUSSION IN THE BOARD OF ESTIMATE ON TIE

SUBJECTS.
The consideration OF estmntus for Police Do
partment gave to interesting discussion yesterday
between the members of the Board Of Estimate and
Police Com sonors yoorhis and Nc lave. The Police
Commiss asked for approx riation for 200 ad
tiona patromen for next year. winch woald bring the
force up to 3l73 This increase stricken out
Of tho provisional estimates Ia making the appropra'
ton for the regular force yesterday the fact was de-
vcloped that owing deaths, dismssas. suspensions
etc tne-s Is each year considerable left from
inc regular appropriation In every other department
MI balances tho end II the year revert to the city
treasury But IN the Police Department. owing to
specsl law balances not returned. brt paid
over to The benefit OF Police Pension Fund Mayor
Grace inquire how much Of balance IN the salary
account last year paid into the pension fund and
he WAS inforuel that the amount Ssi 900. In add
tion the nnn received 1925 600 out Of the excise fund.-
80 900 for the inspection Of boilers and other sums
from the sale Lost and abandoned property making IN
aggregate OF $4,000. The number OF men drawing
pensions Is Ising RAPIDLY each owing to the
mandatory character OF the law, which requires the
Police Board 10 retire patroiman who has served
twenty years pension OF 5000 year. prov ling he
reguess retired and gives them the opos retire
HIM II he does not request it.
Mayor Grace-T opposed 10 this indirect method OF
,akins mnnsy from the city treasury. This a very
lrge amount 10 pay for pensions IN cue department by
taking money from the charity fund the city has been
comprllei to increase taxation To make up the ne
d,isncy TINS surplus rom the salary account
is another item ken IN an indirect way. th tx all
MONEYS should paid into the city tire sury. teh
" atever TO bs given FOR pensions should be gwen
directly by this Board, 81 that tie people can understand
ty how their money Is being sleut - ,,o
Alderman Mooney think he suggestion made nv the
MAJOR is u good one. such law ought TO be passed.
think It hardly right that ableoOdled nen should De
Ponce Commissioner voorhls-We will favor the pass
aee of sucn "A law think the nexpen led balances IN
every department should be returned 10 the city treas
Mayor Grace-Did not the Commissioners send the bill
to Albany and help its passage 80, 49,,
Pnlice Commis .iOn1r VOOrns-Our bill drawn
merely authorized the Boarl to retro policemen DO
not think forty years old who may pave
served twenty years. hOu Oe pensinned But the Dl
was chnI ged at Albany TO N IKE II mandatory. The
WORD may" W a changed to shall" We opposed tue
change. but W thOut effect
There was then consider ibe discussion to whether
the Board could appropriate less thsn tho full salary for
each memhtr OF the and thus avoid having another
$4,000 into the pension fund. thus compelling
LEGISLATION TO require regular spproprlaton ior pen
sioners were to go tue courts aud mandamDs to
Board 1t could compel the tdl appropriation But II
th,y CONSENTED the amO mt cOul De redu ell Police
Co1mi sioner McCave objected any reduction ia the
amount The question was hnally referred to the Cor
The Police Comiss then urged an appropriation
for the 600 ratr0lmen on tue ground thai they
wera neeed ia the upper part OF th- city, The Legls
la are "a ,srd bill authorizing The appointment OF 300
ouiv 9O0 ri year In Tho Bo ard Of EstInat- did
oppose p Now the Police Board wants to add 10Y
m ire men to the force Alderman Mooney was Opposed
10 any Increase NY this Board. He thought the next
Board II Est mae ould m allowed TO deal with TIE
the members OF Tue Boar opposed To so large an
iucrrAse Ths natter IS lad OVe
Commissioner WORMS said that considerable sum OF
money mai been expended In watching the mum cips
folks and he Thought moe should DO allowed Tor the
detectives next year.
Al Ter nan Noaney-That viii be oil over by next year
Mr. VOOrhs don't know about tnat; bI The way II Is
going on don't FEow that we Will 1--we 70 see the emu OF
it. a., - =.
Mr.. Voorhs then maze n strong appeal for money to
est blish signal boxes Every other large city In the
COUNTRY said had some such system IN operaon ana
New-YOrk should he So far behind. 1t was agree
tna tie Board should visit Police Headquarters on Tues
day next at 10 Ill. TO Inspect tic proposed signal
system.
Commissioner yoorns-I ould now call tue attention
of the Board TO the By the last Legislature
provioing police pa We should have an
Appropriation for the wagons aud horses
Alderman Nooney-Ilow many does the law authorize !!
Mr. VOorns- Not TO exceed four in each precinct ana
not less tuan rve at headquarters.
Alderman Noont y-What. $50 patrol wagons in the
city!
Mr. voorhs-the Legislature said 40.
Mr.. Grace-The Legislature would say amy thing about
New-Yors
Al ierman Money! think the members from this city
ponsibe for such egsla lon took upon them eves
serious responsibility.
IL was stated of the would be
about ~ 40 EACH including horses The subject
laid ove