New-York tribune., 1886-05-16
n,ur HOMERULE BILL DOOMED
. MAJORITY AGAINST THE SECOND READ
ING SECURED.
,opn HARRINGTON AND MR.. CHAMBERLAIN '
MUTUAL PLEDGES To REJECT 'oN'A
sIoys-uoME RULE TO BE
WORKED OUT on OTHER
my cAn1.E TO TIE rRIBuNE.l


,,xc.prr TO THE rRIBuyE.l
1oxnoS. MAY 15.-The meetings at Mr' 'h"''''''
,,i,,s housc in Princes Gardens on "euho'""' """
-. novonshirc House yesterday nave se'''0" '"'
"' ,ss,;on for the present. Home Rule
o,.,o.or. will not be enacted by this House oi
Commous When i telegraphed you GU "''"
,o,, tbe result of MIR Chamberlain mec'i"s w."
,o, lpown. but the result confirms what 'non sA'"
ohou, the probable defeat of the Government" ~.
,rohobil;jes have since become cer'""''''
thing which the Gladstonians deciaieo 'iN NP'''
.o1 There is a complete understands
oo, Lord Harrington. whose position IN
,,o Uouse and IN the country is stronger 'hah
over and Mr. Chamberlain The Lloerai oPpono"''
90 Mr. Gladstones scheme are now compact o'-
no, ;ycd harmonious body. agreeing poth III ''cn
rosolve TO defeat the present bill ana III 'no
,hods hv which the defeat is to be accomplished
,, ihorol onpouents with the Tories also will
,o,. 70 man against the second reading. They
now form an assured and absolute majority Oh 'he
rhore House. The number of Liberals who were
sort or who sent written pledges either TO Mr..
Cbaubcrlains or to Lord Hartingtons meetings
or =, hoth IS ninety-thrcc Besides these there are
oleven Liberals. their names being given, who have
ruhlicly sgnifed their opposition. This makes a
majority against the bill of 104. There remain elgh-
,ae, / iberal members who are supposed to be uh-
tr,endlv TO the bill, and thirty unpedged either
way Nor can this hostile majority now be broken
by concession.
NJ Clodstone's friends believed that he had it IN
Lie mower on Monday to secure Mr.. Chamber!alns
snnnort by abandoning the proposed exclusion OF
,ho Irish members from the Imperial Parliament.
That opportunity if it ever existed, IS lrrecoVer-
allie. Mr.. Chamberlain and Lord harrington were
than acting seoara.elv The terms of their present
s,i. alliance preclude either from accepting pro-
nosals not palatable to the other. Mr.. Chamber
lain told his friends on Wednesday that be had
Ieeu misled by private negotiations and would
lenceforth prefer to have communication with the
Government conducted publicly. Yesterday he
went step further. rejected in advance all over
t,res and declared that even should Mr.. Gladstone
oner every concession hitherto suggested the
Liberals would have to consider the spirit III when
these concessions were offered. His language ls
that of political diplomacy, but his purpose is 10
defeat the second reading of this bill III any shape
Mr. Gladstone can drive H. Nor will Mr. Chamber
,oin and ord Harrington assent to the proposal to
agree to the second reading as an abstract resoiu-
tion in favor of autonomy, Mr.. Gladstones new
word for Home Rule. Lord Harrington and nr.
Chamberlain concur in considering the essential
nrincjpe of the present scheme as not Home Rule'
nor autonomy. but as separation. They meet IL
with infexiblc opposition. If Mr. Gladstone had
atteupted to modify the bill so as TO retain the
Irish at Westminster he would probably have
4ouul if impossible without redraftng the whole
measure practically withdrawing the present oil
and introducing new one. The retention OF the
Irish members said Nj Chamberlain, is not a
technical point. but symbol and flag OF the con-
troversv directed TO maintaining the supremacy OF
the Imperial Parliament and an elective union Of
the three Kingdoms.
Fycrything now turns on that. II IS by keeping
men, minds on that fundamental principe that
men whose views of the Irish question heretofore
have been so different as Lord IlartDstons and Mr.
Chambe1ain's have found common standing
day AT the Dcvonshre House that the leaders OF the
Liberal opposition have practically united on a
fn,urn noliey. 1t is doubtful how much that state
ment was meant to cover. but think 1t safe to say
that Lord Harrington. MI Chamberlain, Mr..
rr,velyan and Sir Henry James all contemplate
Joint action when they are called upon to frame a
substantive policy for Ireland. Roughly speaking
they would give ireland Home Rule III the Ameri-
can sense. not in the Canadian or Colonial sense
sill less that Gladstonian extension OF local inde-
peudence. which would destroy the supremacy of
the Imperial Parliament.
Sir Henry Jaines's argument on this point III the
House on Thursday is regarded by Engllshinen as
amasterpece a of constitutional exposition and a
demonstration of the fatal character OF Mr Olad'
stones proposal Home Rule, therefore III 1orm
which patriotic Irishmen may joyfully accept may
lac deemed whatever be the result OF the present
crisis secure. GadstOnan Home Rule is possible
only ON the theory of Mr. Gladstones stubborn ad
herence to his own crude measure, an immediate
dissolution. an appeal to the country, and the eec
ton of new Parliament with a working majority
Of Glads,onians "a result not now deemed likely.
Mr. Gladst one is reported on doubtful authority
TO be still hopeful that some arrangement be
made and to be ready to offer almost any terms ir
order to carry the second reading When convinced
that this is impossible, he must decide whether u
resign or to dissolve supposing that he is able Il
insist upon a dissolution. The withdrawal of h
bill has been suggested but the lionse III It's piesen
,ou,o.v ,.ould mt consent to its withdrawal. lii
debate this week las done nothing lor the Mlhis
try The policy of delay proves so disastrous tina
MI Gladstone has agreed to continue the discussion