New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1886-03-16
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FUTURE OF THE LIBERALS.
EABDUJ HIKE.
HIS VIEWS oN BRITISH LEGISLATION. home RULE
FOR IRELAND AND DEMOCRACY
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| LONDON March 1j.-Ihe vote upOn any
resolution declaring hereditary principles inconsistent
with representative government really gives no ade-
quate measure OF the strength OF Radical party feeling
against the House OF Lords. This feeling is much more
Intense and widespread than show VII by the division
III the House OF Commons last week. estimate that
between 30 and 2G0 votes might be obtained for any
resolution against hereditary legislators Perhaps this
might not express the private views OF all members so
Young but II would express tho views OF their consitu-
ehs In the present Parliament constituencies exert far
more "liect nhienco upon ther members than in any
previous Parliament. Tnis due our having in tho
man auoped the one member system and equal elect
oral districts. Formerly ther, were two or tires
members Tor each Of the larger towns or for county
electors troubled themselves very little as 10 how
their representatives voted provided tley were p1rv
men and supported the Conservative or Liberal Alou
IstrdOh ~ the case might be. bus they look after
Ihcr members lar more closely, tKc stock OF ther
yees and speeches. Most OF the Moderate Liberal ,lec
ors have gone over TO the Conservatives so that tina
Radicals have now complete control the Liberal p,rty
The great bulk OF those Radicals regar hereditary e m
laors and the principle legislation by iaherltanc.
with about the same contempt they look upon tribe
OF African savaSes No doubt many Of the Moderate
members nope to be made peers or ba-onets kughts
or are influenced by the social aspect OF questions agt
fancy "a they have arstocrac eauings they Will n tho
end come to be regarded arlsocrlts themselves
"hen therefore, any such question Is brought forward
they seek all possible excuses TO avoid voting sona
say for example that II the decision had been taken
half hour later they would have yotei
and some would complain OF the matter having been
treated tppanty IN fact, the had been treated
seriously they would complain Of 1t having been treated
too seriously
What said in debate last week. however is strictly
correct-hat with the exception OF half dozen consttn.
encies which return Liberal members would engage 70
call meeting in any Liberal constituency ana to carry
the resolution | proposed in the House OF Commons
~ fhart tta .iftir
There IS good deal OF difference OF opinion as to
whether there should be TWO chambers and nm.
Is the reason why the resolution against tho
hereditary principle than against the upper chamb.r
ITSELF so that the question might remain AN omen one
whether having got rid OF hereditary legislators
we should be satisfied with chamber or proceed 10
form second one may tell you that myself am not
III favor OF a second chamber Where there are two
chambers there are perpetual disputes. One chamber
Is absolutely subordlntted to tho other and
Is consequently useless Thus in the United State. all
power Is Ia the hands OF the Scpae. This must always
follow when the best In the lower are taken
away to the upper when they have proved theuselve,
possessed Of ability. have frequently listened to de.
bates in the American Senate and seemed to Inc cha
most practical and intelligent assembly In the world
The debates in the House OF Representatives. arc no: on
an equality with those in House OF Commons
But now let us 20 t. the progress OF democracy in
England 1t is absurd to suppose You can give almost
universal suffrage and make nearly equal electoral
districts without increasing the strength Of the dcuoc.
racy In no election We have hal IN England have tho
people taken such part as they did in the last
We won the country owing to SIR. Chamberlan's pro.
gramme OF three acres and a COW, ami further,
We owed borough defeats 10 tha
democratic feeling. We lost tho DorJu-hs because
the Liberal candidates stuock to Mr. Gladsouc's pro.
gramme which not nearly democratic as that OF
Mr. Chamberlain. one of the chIef reasons however why
the Liberal party is not fully up to democratic policy
is that the machine is still IN the hands OF the moderate
Liberals. They were few in number in the House Of
Commons, but they were able and clever aImins.
traitors. and they always managed get about half ths
Cabinet seats among them The composition Of Commons
Is not what should wish There is already consider.
able number OF members who will always VOC "A, th,
whips ORDER They 20 ont to dine ana spend the eyeu
Ing. aud knowing when division takes p zee they como
dOTu TO vote without having heard word OF the de
ba,c else they in the coffee OF smoking and
await the beckOning Of the whips This w alter in tmo
and then triumph Of democracy is certain ltlsby
no means impossible that the Conservatives will win at
the next general election and II never be forgotten
nvr are vast numbers OF Conservatives III country
Why say that the triumph democracy is certain i,
hat thanks TO the direct action and influence OF tho
ali Liberals heHccforWard Will have 10
Dc democratic. The moderate Liberal Is alm.s cx.lncf
lie Will have to choose between Couser-
'atisn ana RaIcali-m quit public l!s Large nun!.
'es viii join the Tory party because ney will not lke
% quit public lite.
In tho present Parliament the only man having great
influence Is Mr. Gladstone Asf0r hs coca gueswI tho
EXCEPTION of Mr. Chamberlain one cares about them
IT asks what their opinions may be. IL is known tnat
most Of them have intrigued to force Mr Gladstone into
etremeEt and they have been strongly opposed 10 any
cheue o, Home Rule FOR Ireland. They took Office be-
ause they preferred auI salary to beng left ONT
the cold. sir Henry james and Lord Harrington nie
respected by politicians than the colleagues II
ir Gladstone, who being tempted, fell Except Mr.
Chamberlain, who Is thoroughly democrat. may almost
ay reYo.utonist He is unfortunately ,pYosed TO Lime
iule. which fear VIII create schism among TIE de-
locrtcy. II will. however. be healed aud Hr Cham
cIlan VIII lead the democracy when Nr & stone rc
res from pubic lie ! suppose in She esd The anti
emocrltic party VIII consist OF the Couscry with
darlington, GOschen, James and other moderate
liberals. salisbury. you know. has offered
, serve under Lord Harrington and coalition
otwecn the Conservatives and Moderate Liberal, seems
cytaD,e The coalition l. delayed only because tAs
Onseryduvcs don't Ike to call themselves nolrr,te
iberals and vice versa moderate beIa3 do OF Ike ID
Ill themselves Conservatives. They vii in The ei
have 10 doubt discover some name for what we NAV
II for sake OF a the Loyal.sts. know 4, ,ar.
r. Gladstone Is himself strongly in favor Of the meas
re- for ireland which will put end lamalofdisn
nj that country full cOujro ~ all her local mat
u.s. IL Is curious fact that with the exception o..
,hn Morley lis strongest supporters IN the {. C.bincs
e two Pe,rs-Iord Rpon and Etr Spencer Lord
,encer says there only two modes Of dealing win
land either Uy coercion or by coHc-sson e. tried
rrclou amt failed. lie wanted to cOutIuuc t but hi,
Leagues did not support Inn did The Conserya.
,es Ho regards coercion may tel you a. aOw i'm.
and is frankly ready to ADOPT the alternative
urse OF concession. NJ Gladstone, have found good
isous lor stating, vii deal with the w1o,
brct al once. Ilo Will have Two bill. ON,
land pill, aud the other home raj,
n which he viii bring together rba
,chinery involved in the land h VIII become iuopcra.
ID. should home ruic bill fail become "A Ia ia
II adopt the plan Of separate Parliament fI ireland
Il the guarantee Tor unity OF the Empire. The It,a
n have the police under their own control bat tr,
.lt .ry force, vii rem ain under the Inper al controi
e IRISH Nation Will have To pay rs quota ~ the [r.
rial Treasury but ltis not Yet decided whether tba
,h members will sit IN Parliament during the I'm
ria session OF course II they do not they ry, ruId
called upon to pay tErr quota Mr.. Gladstone 1 may
you. VIII be strictly responsible for those Two ea,-