The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1886-06-19

body questions those conditions. They are ad-
mitted to be just and rational. The principle
has been reiterated over and again. 1t is now
idle to say that the country will be asked to vote
on the details of the bill. The bill is dead with
Parliament. Cheers. The principle of the
bill survives loud cheers. will never be
guilty of dishonesty in promising to you.
without reflection a new plan to give effect
to the principle. never will accept new plan
unless believe it to be better than the old
have been grievously disappointed at the bar
renness and sterility of mind the critics have
shown concerning our plan when they have
raised objections. The last thing they have
shown themselves competent to do has been to
suggest Improvement Cheers. Perhaps they
thought they would not waste the treasures OF
their minds such an improbable audience
the present government Perhaps when they
are returned to Parliament such of them rs get
there [laughter] will produce one more ex-
cellent plans They will find US the first anu
most eager to hail and welcome them,
and we will promise, in the name of
our colleagues, TO cast our own bill to
the winds the moment shown
better plan to give effect to our
principles, provided it is not an evasion of the
subject, or artificial machinery devised to de-
fraud the Irish of their hope of justice. Minis
terlal candidates must not be tested by the bill
we introduced in Parliament, because it was the
best we could frame. Doubtless, they are better
men than we and if SO, they will frame much
better bill, or put us in way of doing it, and if
they do this they will not be more happy than
we-perhaps not quite so happy. The Scotsman
says: Every ministerialisu must be considered
pledged to support the bill" He can hardly be
pledged to support the bill as a ministerialist
when the Ministry itself don't ask or expect it.
We expect him to act in good faith, knowing the
meaning of his words and not using others as
felnts, screens or stratagems to escape from it,
but shall. in the meaning of his words, give Ire
land real and effective control of local affairs. If
he is ready to do that, he is a good minis
terial candidate. If he pledges himself
f0l lO< hat 1a% =
he likes, to the satisfaction of Scotchmen against
the vices, defects weaknesses and follies of the
BILL What the nation has to decide is not
clause, details. the methods of the bill, but
the policy and principle embodied therein. He
who accepts them is our brother in arms. I
read in London that Scotland was doubtful or
adverse to home rule. / answered that did not
believe it. Cheers. l hoped for an opportu-
nifty to test it, and saw enough in my progress
yesterday to show me that the heart of Scotland
is more deeply and profoundly touched than
Scotland's will, and that Scotland was never
more earnestly bent on work of policy and
justice than it is to accomplish the present en-
terprise. Loud cheers
Regarding the Carnarvou- Parnell incident,
blame neither. Mr. Parnell said that Earl Carnar-
offered, if the Conservatives successful in
the elections. to grant homerule measures and
to protect Irish industries. Earl Carnarvon de-
MED the accuracy of this statement, but Mr.
Parnell adheres to it. l believe that both have
spoken with perfect veracity, whatever NAV be
the point of dispute between them. But Earl
Carnarvon has told what he did not say He
said he did not report the conversation to the
Cabinet. Earl Carnarvon explained his views as
Lord Lieutenant and as a Cabinet Minister
Lord Carnarvon told his collea CUES that he |
favored a plan that would meet the wants of
Ireland in respect to local sef-government and |
would to some extent satisfy the national associ |
tions. Lord Carnarvon may dislike it. but in |
substance he is our man, not theirs, if he is |
ready to meet the wants of Ireland for local self |
government disturbance and cries, Turn them
out'l and also IN some degree to satisfy the ma |
tonal associations of ireland. There is room |
for dispute between him and us. The MARQUIS |
of harrington and Mr.. Chamberlain carefully |
avoided expressing a readiness to satisfy in |
some degree the national associations of Ireland. |
This. and no other, is the turning point These |
are Lord Carnarvons opinions, and this is what |
he said; but call his attention, and shall call it
repeatedly, if necessary, to what he did not |
say. He has not stated what he did say |
to Mr. Parnell. l shall believe, until he |
contradicts it, that ne told Mr.. Parnell he |
favored satisfying the wants of Ireland fully |
with regard to local self-government, and that
he desired to satisfy Ireand's national assoca |
tions. Why did not the Cabinet expel this dis
unionist for his misdeeds. but for the fact that
they sorry to lose him? I believe Earl |
Carnarvons statement that he never told the |
Cabinet, but feel sure that he told Lord Sails |
bury because it was his absolute duty. and be- |
cause he was not entitled to make such state
ment to Mr.. Parnell and withhold it from the |
Premier, if he did so. We know that Earl Sails
bury, until August knew that his colleague was
iu communication with the great 'disin- |
tegrator' and dismemberer.' I do not find
fault with Earl Salisbury if he entertained a
wish in the same direction as Earl Carnarvon- |
l think it very wise of Earl Salisbury. The sum
NIT of my ambition would have been to support
him and give effect to his wise inclination. If |
Earl Salisbury fatered and coquetted with that
subject before the election was over and forty
seats secured, he carefully concealed his opinion
that satisfying the national associations of Ire
land is dsintegration and dismemberment If
such is the case, he has serious responsibility
resting upon him and a difficult account to rem
der. The course he then pursued in plain, in
contrast with his course now"
Referring to Lord Harrington, his former col
league and his present friends alternative policy
Mr.. Gladstone said: Lord Harrington, three
years ago, opposed all concessions to Ireland in
the matter of local government until a funda-
mental change and a political reformation in the
condition of the Irish members should have come
about. The Irish have moved in the wrong di-
rection. but Lord Harrington has moved toward
them. He no longer talks of gradual progress,
but in his address certain powers not mentioned
are to be delegated to certain bodies the num-
bers of which are unknown What can be ex-
pected of one who thus varies his schemea They
are plans of very eminent individuals taken up
by no body Do you intend to have plan with
finality, plan which the Irish representa-
tives repudiate? 1t is trifing with the subject
''Mr. Chamberlain proposed year ago, the |
establishment of Irish central councils, with |
large administrative powers. believe that the |
plan was not Mr.. Chamberlain's, but Mr. Par
nelPs, who was willing to accept it as long as his
expectations made him take what was the best |
he could get after the Tory government came |
in. At the beginning of 1886 Mr. Chamberlain
went further, and advocated large scheme of |
federation. He next propounded, during the |
same session, an extremely small scheme for
provincial Irish councils. Mr.. Chamberlain flies
high and low, according to the suggestions of
his teeming brain. have. perhaps, shown you
enough of the fertility of this remarkable man, |
who yesterday founded Radical Unonist |
association. to support local sef-government for |
England, Ireland and Scotland. Poor Wales is |
to have recognition. At another time will |
discuss the plan of local government for Eng
land. Ireland and Scotland DIS mode of dealing |