New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1886-09-30
The IRISH CASE STATED.
A TALK WITH THE LORD MAYOR OFDUBLIN.
PROSPECT OF GREAT INCREASE OF AGRARIAN
TROUBLES.
rBY CABLE TO THE TRIBuSE.l

| Copyrtehti 1866 North american cable NeUs Co.
| DUBLIN, Sept 30 Il. P. Gill. NJ. p, had to-day
| the following interview with Timothy ID. Sullivan,
| NJ. P, Lord Mayor OF Dublin:
| Mr. Gill-Do you share the general apprehension
that the approaching winter will witness great
| crease of agraran trouble in Ireandi
Lord Mayor-I do. think the needy landlords
who large proportion Of the whole class
will press hard tor their rents. These the tenants
| have not made from the land. The landlords will
freely have to eviction encouraged thereto by
the existence of Tory Government and by the tone
of the Tory press, and it is simply impossible that
eviction campaign can be carried on in Ireland with
out causing desparing men to have recourse to what
they will regard as the avid justice of revenge"
| Mr.. Gn-But do you think the landlords in any ap-
precable number would really proceed to evct for
| rents which they believed their tenants unable
| to payi
Lord Mayor-We the landlords nearly always be-
leve that their tenants pay if they like. They
don't care whether the money has been earned from
the land not. They hold that il It be procured
in any way whatever they have right to get it, The
money they exact in this way is in reality rent
ALL but blackmail but If the tenant does not pay 1t
| the landlord usually regards him a rogue and
rasca deserving not merely of eviction but of penal
servitude.
Mr.. Gill-Do you suppose the tenants can possibly
contend against eviction campaign on the part of
the landlords backed by the whole power of the Gov
ernmenti
Lord Mayor-If evcted tenants be supported by the
National funds and be kept and maintained in the
ne hborbood Of their farms and if by moral force of
public opinion the grabbing of those farms be Ire-
vented great crowd of Irish landlords will be ruined
In six months the final question of the land vonld
be greatly simplfed and thereby expedi' I'D
Mr. Gill-Do you expect anythi Of this nature will
actually take place
Lord Mayor-I think it very likely to happen. Tue
whole Irish race will subscribe such fund and the
National League will administer it.
Mr. Gill-But as regards the National League is
there no danger in your opinion that the Government
will suppress it
Lord Mayor-The suppression of the League is not at
all so simple and easy matter some people seem
to imagine. Suppose the Lord Lieutenant proclaimed
as an illegal society; such proclamation would
not make the society illegal. 1t would only show
that it was so regarded by the authorities at the
Castle OF course if they had coercion at their
back Mr.. Forster had, they could follow up their
strike by running all the heads of the oganzation into
jail, but lacking that power they could only lay
prosecution against them and that would be per-
iectly hopeless proceeding. Still, great is the
hatred entertained by the landlord party for the
League that apprehend they will force the Govern.
|
Mr. Gill-ALd what in your opinion would happen
In case the League 81 oud disappear from the field of
actioni
Lord Mayor-I would fear the formation of secret
societies and the occurrence very lamentabe
and incidents.
Mr. Gill-Then you hold that the League is exercs-
ing pacicatory influence upon the country at the
present time
Lord Mayor-I do most decidedly. / am certain of
it
Mr. Gill-As to the possible reerudoscence of secret
societies do you mean them likely to be of nsur
rectionary character
Lord Mayor-No; rather Of agrariin type. To
projects of the other class existing conditions
unfavorable than they in any previous
age and believe that the fact is generally recognized
by patriotic lrishmen.
Mr. Gill-This leads to ask do you think Mr..
Gladstone's Home Rule scheme would have been ac-
cepted by the great of the Irish people "a
tlement of the National question
Lord Mayor believe it would. OF it would
satisfy every Some would continue to cherish
their ideal of absolute National independence, Dut
the vast majority of the people would consider that
when they had the rule and management of the local
affairs of their country their National honor
saved and they might waive any further claims.
something must always be yielded on the making OF
treaty of peace between the contendng parties.
Stronger nations than Ireland have had to in this
manner and incurred reproach by doing.
Mr.. Gl-Are not the so-called Loyalist party in
Ireland great obstacle to any such concession Mr.
Gladstone proposed to make
Lord Mayor No doubt they are. They have fought
against it with good deal of skill and veor. They
have made most affecting appeals to John Bull telling
him that they his children, assuring him that they
love him dearly, declaring that they have held Ireland
for him and asking him if he is going to cast them
Of to be prosecuted and destroyed by those terrible
Irish Nationalists What those gentry love in reality
is not the Union Jack but the powers and privileges
which they have long enjoyed under the existing sys-
TEN of British rule What they fear is the loss Of posi-
ton and certain emouments which they beieve
would result from giving the administration of
affairs to the Irish people. have in of their
papers that under Mr.. Glads:ones Home Rule scheme
the salaries and emouments to the amount OF about
one million and quarter pounds Fer annum would
fall into the hands of the National Leaguers. Well
If that be follows that the Loyasts have now that
amount per annum going amongst themselves In
TACT they have. and that is they are fighting
for and not for the Union Jack. Indeed, they have
plainly threatened that if deprived Of swag they
would at once turn rebels.
Mr.. Gill; suppose you have doubt that Home
Rule will be ere long
Lord Mayor-None whatever. Iregard il as absolutely
certain. There may be delay OF three four years.
perhaps less and may in precise shape Of
Mr. Gladstones scheme. but believe the will
be equally large Mr. Gladstone will be the hero Of it
II he lives, sharing the glory OF it with MIR. Parnell
only. May God spare them
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