New-York tribune., 1886-06-08
MIR GLADSTONE DEFEATED.
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Saonshss ist AS there sections IN the great
sScpn measure cheeruly Freely THANKFULLY
and without reserve. say the Irish people nave shown
shs, they have accepted thls measure. lcheersl
Even the terrible Trash World. newspaper
which has not been on my stde tor sne & ast ne nae
sbrua has sgnred us willinsne.s to accept the terms
tnal as far as the irish people this bill they
have accepted It without any reserve as a measure
'Si ieave the question of the sovereignty of Parlia-
Touched upon. He very tairy told his fears rs TO
me sons0 q ae S"s not ooWed the example Of other
usiroos spsasers by i1Ss'sns m
one.sion. may say / quite sure his
sp na. he doe: not desire to see anything shape
Of religious dscord IN Ireland Indeed, Will not say
experience Of The feeling il ireland, might not per-
haps be Inclined to share his fear: But as as
ia ieat Mr. Chamberlain proposed to give the
oeSssa c. coanci in Dublin executive control odl
caaon lu Ireland without reserve whstever ID
is. however, vsry hard TO please evsTysosy
And If we were 10 please Mr.. ChainDef'a,n ham ef am
now agreeing give education to the cohtro OF Tue
boIy which MIR. Gladstone proposes TO esta9sn,, we
would be unfortunate In running foul OF MI m ohs TO
but think can assure him that we sha ~onS 10 our
settle this question OF education very Wen anioNs ~
seIves lCheers.l
~rhere are many Liberal Natonaiists- call them
Liberal Natouasts because think IL the risn' phrase
in reference its application 70 educaton ~ y"
are
Roman Catholic Church the question OF educstion-
there are many Liberal Naonasts in ireland who very
much desire to see the peopie VI
Tlster sharing the responsibilities and
feelings they have regarding education can assure
the House that with in the Irish legislature with
such representatives coming from Ulster 10
,his Uon,e there would be the slightest risk even
there we're any idea the part OF the Catholic
hierarchy OF using their power unfairly against
the Proesants that such thing could ever take place
fCheersl should be able 10 settle TINS question 10
the satisfaction Of everybody concerned among our
..lvcs rCheersl must remind the House that de-
education will undoubtedly be estaoisheo
in Ireland lCheeral This subject has been aireany
considered Mr. Chamberlain thinks that denom-
national education would be the right thns Tor Ireland
We may say Parliament remains as 1t Is ana lreIahu
as she s we should find denOmnationa education with
ont effective control impossible the part Of the Ulster
Protestants.
Mr. Go,cLen mentioned the nnen trade, l have not
hal the advantage OF reading the correspondence 10
which referred but 1t appeared to tend TO prove tha
the linen trade had been curse to UlsternOt directly
but ndirectybeeause it ndnced the peasantry to pay
rack rents which The landlords would not oIner"lse
have ss,od o. think Mr.. Goschen not quite far
regarding This question. observed simia- reticence
when Lie dealt tue financial question on which he
made point on tAe hrst reading IN ms sleec;
winch undoubtedly produced great sensation through
Gu. e Sr9od HIM to argue that as Ulster was
ra Share ao Of he buIaen WonG a on rser ;hs
1t wolld be impossible TO carry on government
in Ireland. MIR GOschens comparison OF the
great Of Ulster with that OF the ether provinces
Ms taken up 10y Royal Patriotic Unions throughout
the country IS sort OF var cry. MI cnep enc as
IN, sauU1ra COMPARISON schedule ID OF the income
6 ln Standards OF relative wealth are assessments
under All schedules as well as the yane OF rata9ie
rren.rfv r. he nad taken these lie would have shown
thai. from ser buS the wealtnes oi she Iour
provinces. tnrt after Leinster and munster
being only superior to- the Impoverished Connausht.
Undoubleily there is disparity between the relative
wealth OF the northeastern counties and the other cou
ties but the same sslgrOn through the whOIe
OF Ireland IT, you dLAw meridian hne through Ire
d S & 1f to ~ Res G rs east poor hs
c9nniry weA soes esrs @f sapSpg m and
its distributing centres, where business me-
a. Is onlv natura East Ulster Munster and Leinster
are weather han The rest Of those provinces
PROTECTION OF The LOYAL MINORITY.
owe come now to question OF the protection OK
the LOYAL minority. II Is question upon which great
attention has been Dessoved- one wOald thnh that
Protestant ireland was cong 10 % handed TO the
tender lnercies OF thugs and bandits. Major Sadnder-
son-cries of Hear. lioar.' and cheersl-I only wish
was As safe north If Ireland when 20 there as
MAJOR sauuderson woula be in The south Home
Rule checrsl Wnat do these gentlemen mean
nv urotecuon Of the loyal minority In
the first place would asx what they mean by 'loyai
rninorty'l Mr. Goschen does not scein to have maze
up his mind tAis late stage OF the DEBATE "A"'
the lova minority When asked he said he meant the
same loyal minority as the MI Gladstone referred
To- but ne would not commit himself by telling us what
ssnihcaace he attributed Ar Gaisone's statement
examined Mr.. GlHistons' references
einee then. aud find That MT. "I"u-
stone referred TO the whole province OF Ulster.
He did not select little the province, because the
Opposition had discovered the point at the Tine
Consequently suppose IIay assume that Dr. O0seIeh
also refers 10 the whole province OF Ulster when he
asKs that special protection saoald be gwen. lie Las
not told us how would specially pro ect H. Dut we
nay take from Tie plans of his co-ieagnss t1 10.
MI Cnamber."A s1' suliHSSH S a .oprem p,l WHEN I1e
proper Zine comes WI. support lin III that ca!Hhe mas
fiyiuei a seTar,ro eeis,ature for Cster. You would
nor Iro,ct he loyal nmoriy OF Ireland suPpOs
iug you gave Ulster srlArstS e-ls.stnre re- pee'use
there outside OF Liar ofhce over 100000 froies-
tauts who wOal1 stA be without any pro-
II 10 I5e. You wou.d make tie position OF these
100000 PIotcstsnts, by taking away isrr rom tne
tect tie PrOlesiants Ulster becGc the ProtestantS
according To tne last ceusus we're III 1he pOpoU" & m
Iroies.uls and Catholics .! Ulster are about equal ID
nn9eber Hnyevrr il nay be- the Nn:,Onasts Lave sue
crea ia rrt,Irlng tne insjssiy Ae Ulster members
fnome Rule cBeers.l The main reason that we have
portion OF Protestants 01d Aauonaists voted Ia
favor 'of me Nau tnddatcs- 80 you would
.rin n,ve tre \ ..... glll TO wiki IN Ulster.
len len i hdr.f f,,,g Cisies legislature would do
Senid be to iise1 win The Dnb.in Parliament
opponents Of the l npo hls point sses r reIue m se
northeast corner oi o.sIer % ~ y instead
c. projecting the majority OF the lrish ffoestants Dy
cousu utng legislature Tor the northeast corner oI
Ulster you abandon the Protestant majority 10 thelr
fae under Dublin Parliament seven "eIitns Oi he
Proestnts in ireland outside OF the three counties
IN ne northeast corner Of Ulster five-twefIhs OF me
pro-staut- live IN those counties 30. Whatever way
ynn NM n Won must abandon the idea OF protecting
lie IrotestaDts OF Ireland by the esi.DlirHhcHt
OF a separate legislature either IN Ulster or
IN anv polon OF Ulster. We cannot give MP slhsIo
IrsAinan. lcheers We want the energy, pa1IloIsu ,
talent aud work of every freshman cheersl 10 msuic
That ths great experiment shall be success bs pesV
system of government country bet'e 10 Oo oc
when m Al the government should be the result
o. all the forces Of the country. We cannOt give a""
10 second legislature any portion OF the taeh anu
influence OF the irish PrOtcstauts IBIS class wiz 4on
most valuable element the irish legislature coAS1'
tutug q. they WILL "A strong minority, ana eAet'Is!nE
through Tue nrst order moderate lAnuehce Oh lHo