New-York tribune., 1886-07-23
Will PAYNE KEEP HIS SEAT
SENATE INVESTIGATION DOUBTFUL.
co,Ioouy BETWEEN MGssRs. LOGAN AND SHERMAN
A VOTE TO-DAY.
,RY TELEGRAPH THE TRIBUNE.

,;or Nv n general understanding an attempt Is
q, be made tomorrow at o'clock TO reach vote
rrhcre j. little doubt that the majority report OF the
committee will be adopted in other words, tha' the
Senate will decide adversely to any investigations
The Democrats it is expected will vote in body TO
support the majority of the committee In addition TO
Messrs Logan. Evarts and Teller. who will vote with
,bo Democrats. there will probably be three or four
othcr repnblicans similarly inclined II attendance
In the galleries and on the floor Of the chambG be any
indication of public interest in the discusslon inc
number Of people who listened to the speeches. naue
today hv Messrs. Teller Sherman. Eustis and RYE
certainy showed that the Is being followed WIN
more than usual care 10y the general pubic lhcie
WAS less disposition perhaps. shown IN the galleries. 10
npplaud the speakers than was shown yesterday.
From other manifestations of approval or disapprova
however il was evident that the speeches were qu''e
as effective as they were on the day before Both
Mo.r. sherman and Frve delivered strong arguments
IN favor of an invcst CATION the former preiacing his
,,eccb Inv r,lnarkng that il was the most unpleas-
ant dut of lis life" Mr.. Frye though laborng under
the disadvantage of heavy cold spoke with vigor and
GOOD effect in support of the minority report of the
committee
Continuing his speech of yesterday. Mr.. Teller said
,, if there was evidence of bribery and corruption it
had been withheld from the Senate Committee; and
The Senate was in condition to enter nelgently on
nm investigation of this character.
Mr. George You have said there nothing in the
evidence that touched the honor of the sitting member
Has an examination of the testimony convinced you
that there was an entire absence of any improper
ofmoney in that elcctioni
Mr. Teller-1 satisfied from an examination Of the
testimony that there proof of corruption of men,
hers of the Legislature and that proof Of it can be
obtained by this Senate.
Nj Sherman proceeded to address the Senate hr
Sewe occupying the chair. He rose. he said. to per-
form the most dsagreeable duty of his life. During
all the time he had been in this body he had never had
occasion to bring before the Senate the politics OF
Ohio as distinguished from National politics. In per-
forming what he regarded public duty to the people
Of Ohio and particularly to the Republican people OF
Ohio he would do il in spirit of unkindness TO ms
colleague sincerely believed that, If the investiga
ton were granted his colleagues honor would not be
touched by the testimony that would he produced IT,
however others had by the corrupt use Of money con-
trolcl the election while his colleague would not nc
dishonored or dsgraced thereby the public would be
satisfied as to the extent aud nature OF the ohence
and the public sentiment in the Senate and among the
,eone would have been Just generous and forbcar-
ing That had been his opinion but be supposed That
bs colleague had felt that while he was himself free
from blame he ought not to compel an investigation
NV which others who were bound to him i'll various
ways ight be Affected.
Mr. Logan-Is it not a fact that if Mr.. Payne cannot
be implicated and if other persons have violated the
law over whom have 10 jurisdiction. that IL Is
the dirty of the State Of Ohio and not Of the Senate OF
the United States to prosecute them for IL
Mr. Sherman-The controversy is whether enough
members of the Ohio Legislature have been corrupted
10 no.on the election The Senator asks why We have
no indicted men i'll Ohio if they have committed cTine
in these election matters. To that reply that We
have sent more men to the pcnitcutiary for criminal
oauces AGAINST the elective franchise within the last
two or three years than Illinois ha, DONE and she has
done nobly.
Mr. Logan-You have not sent any in this case
Mr. Sh,rman-Not in this case. Where woud we
find a bill of Indictment This is the first time when
If was cN r urged in the Senate of the United States
that il honld not examine into the character and con-
dnct of an election and into the qualifications of its
members.
Mr. Locan-Tle Senator asks where the indictments
shall he found ! will tell him. In Columbus the
C,oa of the State of Ohio. where il l. charged that
certain persons committed offences OF this kind.
Mr. sherman W. onld my friend say that This Senate
cannot investigate charges against member 0i lho
bolv unless the person accused has first Drcn con
yiccd before q Jury OF twelve men Inc Constitution
of the United States declares that tins senate 0Ial
be the judge Of the election oil It, own men'elS, M
friend from Illinois complained OF injustice. Well.
think that injustice va, cone MN. NuP"'N@' M''u "a
lm heartily Wonld like to quote some p"oas to
show thai other injustice was done. What was The
necessity OF the Senator FROM Illinois showing that
Mr' Logan. lintcrruptingl- Why does the Senator
ouo.r these papers in order to get an investigation
Nr Shcruian-l have not yet quoted from ncwspa-
r. have onoted the opinions OF editors Of newspa
ers who got together and passed resolutions express
Ing their opinion IL this matter. 10 not that opinion
Mr. Ioran-Nobody denies it. But if the Senator
crtcses Tor quoting newspapers the same criticism
Tr Sberman-I do not criticise him. ! think that
inin.iicc was done him by Murat halstead, but he
has attacked everybody. lie has attacked 'lant, and
he ha, attacked the senator from ihnos ana myself.
But l. il the petition of Murat llalstead that the Sen
ate i asked 10 act upon No. sir 1t Is the petition OF
eixtv-cght of the leading newspaper ediois oI ono
II i NOT a newspaper charge not an ille chdrgc bnt
il is made firmly and openly. with honesty and SIN
Mr' sherman proceeded TO give a review OF Demo-
.ratic politics in Ohio within the last two or three
year~ stating that up to that tnnc politics there had
bcen practically pure lie gave account OF the
Highland House Convention held i'll Cincinnati, Ill
Amgu,t 1883 when he said organized frand had leen
introduced for the first time in Ohio politics That
movement. he said which was organized III iianI ana
born in iIaud. had stirred mp the people OF ONO is
they never had been stirred up before. Then II was,
he said that mot by the actual purchase OF members
OF the Legislature bat 10y the bribery ana corruption
OF members of the Democratic party in the cancus a
sufficient number OF votes had been controlled To de-
feat Mr. Pendlcton and Durbin Ward and to elect his
colleague TO the Senate. These events had stirred mp
thc cnule of Ohio TO demand an investigation of the
hepiI,uno progress and the end of that internal
spiracy His Irieyd the Senator from Illinois, had
feared that he going TO read newspaper extracts.
MI Logan lih'ri"Pt'hS "'hi' '"N ''""'D'
keen within proper bounds Why does he say that
fear that he will read newspaper extractsi What
riglt has he to say thatl lie read the bible if
he wants to. II he has ever read the Bible lie may
read il again.
Mr Shciman-That is very stale wit.
Mi LOgan--t know II is. hnt IL Is Inc Ohly hllU OF
wit that suits the occasion.
Mr. Sberman-I was justified in making the remark
did. but suppose th't my lIlehu pIoo""! 'nouon'
was going to read all the newspaper extracts.
Mr Logan-you can read them II you want TO- ]
have objection. -, ,.. G
MIR. ShermaD-l know can without asking the Sen.
ator,s consent But do not propose TO read them.
have known senators TO introduce resolutions OF IN
qulry mere newspaper statements. nave inyseli
See. charged by newspapers with offences improper in
a senator and have demanded an Investigations ana