The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1886-12-30
Mr.. Schmidt ON the Witness Stand Identifies
Budd as the Person Who Returned
to Him His Tally-SheetS.
The Young Man, However, Positively
Declares Mr.. Schmidt Is Mistaken.
The Investigation Continued Until a Week
from Saturday--StOry Of a Secret Confer
ence Between Several Witnesses

Der OF the CanvaSsing board. He testified that
he saw John E. Sullivan during the count. Sui
Ivan was there . good part of the time, behind
Chairman Bernhamer, in conversation with him
The witness testified as to the clamor that arose
over the scratched tally -sheets of the Thirteenth
ward. and said that the changes had been so
recently made when the vote was being called
that the ink was scarcely dry; that he protested
against the tally-sheet vote being counted. aud
moved to send for the tally-sheet and poll book
in the bag, to"compare them, but this motion
was defeated. although this action had been
taken in at least two other cases. Witness said
it was Captain McHugh who said they mad to
take the vote as the tallysheet showed it. and
moved to proceed with the count of the tally
sheet then in hand.
John l.. Griffths said he was the person Of
that name elected to the Legislature at the last
election, and was present during the work of the
canvassing board. He said: my conversation
with Mr.. Coy was before the board was formally
convened. / met him and he said TO me: T
want you to understand we have you down. and
are going to keep you down. We are going 60
run in a cold deck on you"
William H. Eden, better known as Goose
Eden, took the witness. stand. He said he was
not now in Simeon Coy's employ, but had been.
1t was on Wednesday morning following the
election that Coy had sent word to him [Edenl
at the courthouse that if any of the inspectors
came with poll-books and tally-sheets, to direct
them to take them home and keep them until 10
o'clock tine next morning, when the returning
board met. He [Edenl had met Mr.. Becker.
That was the day after the election.
Joseph Becker, inspector of the second pre-
cinct of the Eleventh ward, testified: M
Eden met me on Washington street, near the
corner of Delaware. He asked me where l was
going with the papers. 1 said to the clerks
office, whore they\belong. He insisted on my
not taking them there, because Mr.. Coy said not
to take them there. l told him l thought it best
and safest to take them to the clerks Office.
Eden said, IF you have 70 safe place at home
take them to Mr.. Coy"
Capt. Ritter-That they would be safe there'
The Witness-I didn't know whether it would be
safe or not. There was another gentlemen before that
Mr.. Duncan--Never mind what any one else said.
George W. Stubbs, the attorney, then took
the witness-Stand.
Question-If you had any conversation with Mr..
Bernhamer on the night that the canvassing board
was in session state what it VAST
Answer had q conversation during the evening
with Bernhamer. l had been present during the day
and was present nearly ell the night. keeping tally for
Mr.. Rollins, candidate for county clerk. The return
ing board took a recess to allow some of the parties
to go to supper at 5. half past 5, or may be. 6 o'clock.
/ went out; got my lunch, and returned to the court
room. fell in with Bernhamer, near the corner OF
Pennsylvania and Washington streets, in front Of
Schaffner's restaurant, and we walked up to the court.
house together. L said TO Bernhamer that he and l
were simply private citizens, and certainly could have
no axes to grind, and asked him on behalf of tho Re-
publicans If he would not see fair play. Some cues.
tiOnS had come mn before that which satisfied me- E
Mr.. Duncan-tinter upting)-Never mind about
that.
The witness, continuing-T said it was clear to my
mind that there was a scheme there to count in some
body who had not been elected, and he iBernkamerl
had the power to prevent the consummation OF any
such fraud. l begged of him to see fair play. On the
courthouse steps and in the hall he said to me: THE
Republicans have no ground Of complaint: they know
how it was themselves" told him some Of them
would get into deep trouble-the Republicans would
not stand it. he said he had been counted out him
self by a Republican returning board, and while he
didn't know the Republicans had any cause of com,
plant in the count in progress, yet II they had, they
were getting some of their own medicine. That's the
substance of what he said.
In the afternoon Lorenz Schmidt and George
Budd appeared before Commissioners VaLB Buren,.
IL was remarked on this occasion, as on each OF
the four or five occasions that Budd has ap-
peared At the federal building, he was accom-
panied By John E. Sullivan, the latter person
manifestlnga at these times u considerable amount
of anxiety, and acting in the capacity of
guardian to young Budd. Lorenz Schmidtis
face was a study as he eazed upon Budd, while
the latter betrayed no little uneasiness as Mr..
SchDidts black eyes seemed to look him through
and through. Mr.. Schmidt was placed first
upon the stand, Captain Ritter, as heretofore,
examining the witnesses.
Question-Your name is Lorenz Schmidt, the sans
witness who has been here beforel
Answer-Yes, sir.
o. will ask you whether you have seen the
man who was introduced to you as George Budd. on
the day when the canvassing board was in session
whether you have seen him since thenq
Al have seen him from a distance several times.
Q.-You may state whether he is in the courtroom
Ale is. Here the witness looked very hard at
Budd, who was chewing a stick, and trying to appear
unconcerned.
Q.-Is that tho gentleman
A.-TAat is the one.
Commissioners Van Buren-Ts that the gentleman
who gave you the taliy-sheetsG Indicating Mr.. Buddl
The Witness-He returned them to me.
The Commissioner-And the man to whom you
gave theml
The Witness--I did not give them to him. I gave
them to Mr.. Sullivan. This was said with great posi-
tiveness.]
Tho Commissioner-He indicating Buddl was the
one you saw-he was present when you laid the pa
pers on the tablet
The Witncss-I did not lay them on the table. I
gave them directly to Mr.. Sullivan.
Captain Ritter, resuniing-And that lBuddl Is the
gentleman who returned them to you!
A.-Yes: sir. Taking a long look at Budd.
Q.-And he wGs introduced TO you at the time you
handed the sheets to Mr.. Sulliyans
A--Yes, sir.
George Budd then took his seat in the witness
chair;
Question: win ask you what you know, IL any.
thing, about a conference held within the last few
days. or of a meeting of gentlemen at the Office Of
Daniel A. Lemon, in Bradshaw's Block.
Answer-I dop'tknow Of any.
O. will ask you were you not present at that OF.
fee within the last week when Daniel A. Lemon Was
there9
A.-No, sir. I was not.
Q.-Were you not present when Daniel A. Lemon,
Smith II. Myers, DR.. Metcalf. John f.. Sullivan aud
others were there
A-No. sir; / have not been in his Office.
Q.-Tfave you been in an Office in that building
when other gentlemen were assembled there ~reccntlyi
A.-No, sir.
Q-Have you met these gentlemen or any Of them
in any Office within the last week.
A.-No, sir; only in passing them there in tho ofics
of the county clerk.
Q.-Then You have not been present at any time
when tho gentlemen or any of Thorn whom | have