Morning journal and courier., 1886-04-23

asked about reference in some of the pub
 lished dispatches to Wall street influence
 MT. Gould asserted that he had engaged il
 no speculative transactions either long O l short in Missouri Pacific stock since Januar, | 1 last. MT. Outhwaite asked MT. Gould l whether the interests of the company or thu 1 public welfare would have suffered by ac | ceptance of MT. Powderly's proposition t l arbitrate as indicated in his telegram to ths l Knights of Labor ill St. Louis. MT. Goule
 answered by saying that when he and Mir l Powderly separated he did not think ar l agreement had been reached. MT. Outhwaitt 1 followed the question by saying it seemed | the divergence in views between MT. Gould I and MT. Powderly occurred after the inter | view, but repeated the question again asking | what objection he saw in accepting Mir 1 Powderly's proposition to arbitrate. To this l MT. Gould responded that his objection was that the matter was in MT. Hoxie's hands l and he proposed to let it stand there. Mr. Outhwaite seemed not to regard this as sstis- | factory and asked the reporter to read the l question whichsshe had propounded three o1 | four times After the question had been
 read MT. Gould answered it by saying there was no such proposition agreed to. But, con- tinued MT. Outhwaite, it seems MT. Powderly | thought there was such proposition agreed to and the people understood it. To this l MT. Gould again responded that there | was no such agreement. Now, then, bdlo NIT. OuGnWalCe, suppose there was such an agreement, what injury would have come to the company had they accepted it, and to this Mir. Gould answered that it
 might have involved taking back Knights of Labor who were out of the company's em- ploy and who were not needed. Then, said
 MT. Outhwaite, you did not intend to settle any differences between the Knights of Labor
 who were out of your employ? Yes, said MT.
 Gould, that was the understanding.
 Mir. Burnes asked the witness about the
 effect of pooling on the public interests. MT.
 Gould stated that it's general effect was bene-
 ficial to the public because without it most
 if not all the railroads of the country would
 be in the hands of receivers. MT. Burnes-
 "Why would that be the result?" MT. Gould Because of low rates from excessive com
 petition. Mir. Rurnes-Then competition is
 not the life of trade. MT. Gould-No. sir. And
 the result would be that wages would have
 to be cut down fifty per cent. Labor Is
 very large element in railroad expenses.
 Directly it amounts to about sixty per cent,
 to say nothing of the labor in steel rails and
 other railroad materials. MT. Burnes-If pool
 ing is beneficial to the railroad companies is it
 also beneficial to the people? MT. Gould
 l think it is. The public is interested in
 having strong, able roads, well equipped. I
 have always found that real estate sells
 higher and the people would rather live on
 the lines of railroads that are financially
 strong. This closed Mir. Gould's testimony.
 He spoke very low throughout and answer ed very briefly and in no instance volunteer ed information, confning himself merely to replying to the questions put to him.
 MT. Hopkins, the vice president of the
 Missouri Pacific, was then sworn. He cor roborated MT. Gould's testimony as to the interviews at which he was present. He be- lieved in arbitration and saw no objection to compulsory arbitration provided it was made compulsory on both sides. But such arbi- l L.
 ployes themselves (actualiy at work) and the company. That was the point in this whole matter. Railroad employees had no better friends than the managers of the road. There were no antagonistic interests between them. He was asked whether he had any knowledge of Wall street speculations in con nection with the strike, but all that he knew on that point was that he had been informed that persons connected with the Knights of Labor had been noticed in brokers offices. He promised to give the names of such per sons as had been mentioned to him in that con- necUion. MT. Hopkins in conclusion spoke very highly of MT. Hoxie's management from the beginning of the trouble.
 The committee adjourned until tomorrow at II o'clock.
 Strikers Fighting With the Police.
 NEW YORK, April 22.-The employees of the sugar reineries in Williamsburg and all along the river front of the eastern district who struck at midnight last night gathered Tn force about the works this morning. Their attempts to prevent anyone from going to work caused number of serimmages. Dur ing the morning the crowd increased and revolutionary ideas were expressed. About 1 o'clock at Havemeyer's refinery, Green point, a striker endeavored to communicate with some men at work, but was ordered back by policeman. A fight ensued and a number of the strikers came to the rescue. The few officers present were badly handled when one of them shot of the assailants in the arm. More policemen came mp and after a hot fight succeeded in driving the strikers back There were a good many heads broken in the ranks of the strikers and one of the officers was seriously injured. The news of the riot brought number of the strikers to the spot and another fight follow sd and two more officers were badly hurt. The mob threw bricks and other missiles and broke windows and gas lamps A detach- l nent of fifty reserves was ordered to the l spot and the mob was dispersed. The refn- l ers assert that they will never give in and t is feared the strike will be long and seri- | 3us one. 1
 No Tie-Up Tn New York.
 NEW YORK, April 22.-The Empire Pro- ;ective association officers said late tonight l hat they would not declare general street l car tie-up at present if at all They say they l nave funds to prolong the Third avenue | strike indefinitely. The company ran no cars l liter six o'clock this evening. There was no l serious obstruction during the day to the few | ,ars that ran under police protection.
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