Indian chieftain. [volume] (Vinita, Indian Territory [Okla.]) 1882-1902, 1886-04-15

the empire; lie, however, stood upon the
substantial ground that to1 M the fiscal
unity OF the empire would be
runLio INcoNvESrrScE AND MIsFoRruNE.
| u would be n great misfortune for Great
| Britain, and greater misfortune for Ire
land. lie conceived that one escape from
| as would glvo authority 10 levy customs du-
| ties and srch excise duties rs we're immedl-
| ditions OF such an tTreement were
and over and above those particular
duties should pass unequivocRliy into tho
hands OF tho domestic Legislature In Ireland.
| Secondly that the proceeds Of customs du-
ties and excise should be held for tho
| hencht OF Ireland and discharge 81 tho OBJ
| legations OF Ireland and the payment OF tho
balance aror these obligations were dl,.
oxchcqucr. and be for tho free disposal OF
the Irish legislative body.
Tho hHt thcn provided that the feuresen-
tatives of Ireland should no longer sit in
ne ssno Io1se 81 & Commons Or ,rl,h @ peers
same time they would have the right
OF addressing tho Crown and 50 pos.
tScy had ID" now. e tcries of oSi on and
| chcers) II would. therefore, relieve the
Irish members from attendance at Wcst.
| this should be the case. Even " u were
possible for them TO do so they had n Par
lament Of ihcir own, and u would he very
the 1I1usc-one class wha covld vote on nll
questions connected with tho business OF
the country. and another which could only
which were brought before Pariinment
Again. II would be very dnicult for the gem
| tlemcn In ireland to decide who should 20
to Westminster or who should remain In
| Ireland. and nt the same time maintain the
| fiscal unity OF the nation. -
There was another point. With rcGNrd to
| tho powers OF the LogislaturC two courses
| might have been taken. One was 20 endnw
tho Legislative body with particular lcsls.
| iatlve powers; the other was TO except from
| the snhere OF It's action those subjects which
| they thought ocght TO be excepted. and TO
| lend tt every other power. The latter plan
| hal been adopicd. The administrative
power would pass with the legislative
| power.
| body should not exceed nve years. The
| functions which II was proposed 20 with
| draw from the cognizancc OF the legisl1tiVe
/ body were grand and principal functions,
namely. Every thing which related 70 tho
| Crown: that which belonged TO the defense,
the army. tho navy, the en,lce organization
| Of armed forces, aud to our foreign colonial
| relations. 10 would not be comp"trnt 20
| pass n law for the establishment or endnw
ment OF any particular religion. lChoerSl
! Asto trade and navigation II wo I'D he
! misfortune 70 Ireland 20 be separated from
. England The irish party would have moth
inr 60 do with coinage or LEGAL tender Tho
! subject of post Offices would he lett 20 the
/ Judgment of Parliament, though tho govern.
| Iaent was Inclined to the view that u woull
/ be moro convenient TO leave the post OH 'cs
| IN the hands OF the Postmaster General.
/ Quarantine and one or two other subjects
| were left IN the same category
| Tho next subject he had to approach was
| thnt Of the composed legislative body Tho
| bih he proposed e. Introduce provided Tor
| two ORDERS which would ST and deliberate
| together with the right Of voting separate.
! " on occasion, ana on demand OF either
! body, which should be
AuLE To iSrERrosE VITO
upon any measure for a limited time, clther
| until the dissolution or for three years. Tie
| orders would be constituted NJ follows!
! First, There were the twenty. eight rep.
/ resentatlve Peers, who could not continue
| to sit m the House nt Lords after the repre-.
| sentntivcs OF tho Irish people loft the House.
| They world have the option OF SIT n as n
portion OF the st order IN tho Irish lar.
| iumcnt With .he power OF sitting for ne.
/ some people Thought that option wns mot
| likely to be largely use but he was not OF
| that number ICrics OF hear, hear.l lie pro.
! posed that with the twenty eight peers now
| In the House Of Lords there should slt seN-
| cnty.nve representatives elected by the
Irish PEOPLE. with regard to the pow.
ers OF election the constituency
/ would be composed of occupicrs OF land
! OF the value of twenty nvc pounds AMI IN
/ ward, and the Representatives would he
| Sleeted Ior trn yea's. ine pIopertyr aual'
/ nu1l valuc. or "A capital value of Ei,0oO Ito
| proposed that the lOl Irish members IN tho
| House should be members Of the Irish
| Parliament. nnd white tho hrSt or'ier oi tho
| legislative body wuu''i cnn-i>t of lni mem.
/ brrs. the second ouirr would consist pi l0f
/ u MN~ NiNlht~ffl NfN tfNNlW Nlf NNfFNls NV
| lie woul not be the representative OF -
] party or 70 out oi Office with tue out'
] f'oins government TIE Queen wnuli he cin
| powered to delegate to MN any prrTnsatiVc
] he now enjoys or would enjoy. Tho 70.
| iiglous disability now rNlsiing.wnuid he re-
| moved with rrear'l to Judges who had brrn
! concerned iu tic administration of criminal
| law in ireland. Her Majesty might, II she
| saw ~, cause hY orilCr In council IN ante.
lntc Of tho pensions Of ,he.e particular
I Judges: but in fnfurc tho Judges would be
Hppo ntCd bY the Irish Govcrnment, AMI he
| paid uut Of the cons llllntrd fund. ani hH
| removed only on a Joint address ot the two
orders. Tho cOn~tnbulury cOull remain
nler ihc present terms of service and
under tle present authority. Tho charge
for cOu-t1hul1rY was nov a million nul a
hni pounds annually. and he fclt confident
that the charge would be reduced. but. for
the present he proposed 70 relieve the legs.
latlyc body Of nll expenditures Tor r1n.tab-
ulary In excess OF a million pounds per an.
The government had no desire to eNe-npt
tic rlace OF Ireland In reference ~ IT. nnul
position from the u'fima'um control OF the
Irish legislative body. lie had NJ i'Hluusy
ON thni subject. n the care OF p'oviblng tnr
tive ordinary -ecuritv OF lie and property
was the fret duty of a locnl government.
WITH respect 20 the tivll service, the gov
eminent did not think their case was the
same as that OF the cuustabul1ry. aud It.
| trans ffcr 90 the legislative body would cf.
! feet good economy. lie, therefore,
| thought II would be well TO authorize
clvii servants 10 claim the pension
| that would be duo 20 them upon the nbo-
/ liiion OF thcir Offices, Grovidcd they
| served two yeas In order 70 prevent Ia.
| convenience from arapld transition OF the
! service. Hnd NJ the lose Of that time both
/ p1rt'cs should 10 tren to negotiate afrcsh.
| That was an hc had q say on the subject OF
| tile new Irish Constitution.
The proportion ~ lmncrlal burdens which
/ NC NV 70 ptHpnse that l,slanl hlonii Dear
! was a. one % fourteen lie thought that the
! nov Irish parliament ought to start with a
| balance 20 H. credit but tho only fund that
! II would have II left alone would be the soil.
I IN q 1N fIN from tho Irish Church fImh He
| knsw Of no way providing the necessary
| money eNceut hy carving u ont ~ III yetr's
/ budget, and he proposed that IN future Ire
land should pay one fifteenth toward ths
| Inncrial expenditures.
10 rheu went on 70 speaN o. how
| spirits 20 Great britain, and how
/ much Great nrltain would lose
| 20 irrinni by tive h1w Of money from ono 10
/ the other As the result of careful inquiry.
/ he stated with confidence. not as m actual
! demonstration. hut as n matter ~ certainty
/ win regard 10 the far greater portion. that
/ tlo Irish rcreipts gainc from Grsat Britain
! nm0unteitu nOlcss than CitHo0O IIc then
/ entered into nn ciaho a'e Calculation ~ the
! fosalinc1me and cxpcnd 'tur-s ot ireland In
char % ~ Ireland, a. an inrerinl condition.
he l.ut nt G.. 4a0o). H. stated rs an instaute
% ihe Intense
DgloE4LIzArroS o.. ruE iH.u ADsuusraA.
riON
that Whine tse post-cn1se IN England
showed lsr1o surplus \ iust paii ~ rN-
p9nseA IIe estimated tine total cxpandl.
lures of irciani, In riutilng "a payment MS n
sink fund Hs the irish portion Of :fe IN.
tcrcsi dent. n q Ef,7'H.n0 Asniust that there
was total inc lme Of f7,f'011, or a surplus
90 ths government Of tini,1n.
Continuing, Sc Gladstone sal "It nniur.
n " has been said IN Euglanl aud Scotland
inst We for great many years pnSt have
been struggling q pass g10i laws for Ire.
laud. we Lave sacrificed our time, nea ICoted
our intCrr-tr nIi paii our money. nud we
have done al Ibis In rn eufc1vfr 70 give
Irrlund good laws. Tnat n quito true will
regard 10 TIE general Cours* OF legislation
: nro isi1 Many nf thnH Laws have hgen
passed un1er on Influence Whlrh can bar I.
ly DE scrlbr as tne iunneucs ~ foar with
retard 70 tho history % the inni gurst on,
no man cOuid know That untu hn bad III.
lowed n ir1m year "a year, hrIinninI with
tire Devon Commission. the appointment NJ Of
W ich 81 my opinion. dld tire 10 diest honor
10 tire memory 81 SiT Robert i'-ri lche sfsI ,