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Mr. Gouid--That action Of the hoard was taken
while was away. had an understanding with
Mr. Powderly last August If there was any ques-
ton came UP of difference, that there should be
no strike; that Mr.. Powderly would come right
to M, and we would talk it down and adjust it,
and MIR. Hopkins undertook to carry out that m
Outstanding when this strike broke out. ThaS
was the result of his correspondence with you.
Mr.. Powderly-That is matter that am not
clear upon. Now. You gentlemen were present
Can you remember about an agreementi don't
understand it thoroughly.
Mr.. George j. Gould-Mr Hoxie has always
said that he was willing to meet a committee of
our employees. He said that while you were
away.
Mr.. Could didn't know about that. have
been away, and have not paid any attention to
this thing. l did not even know that the Gov
errors had arhitrated the matter until Sunday
I happened to take it up just before you came
in, and read it. didn't know that they had
passed on it at all.
Mr.. Hayes-You are aware that Mr. Hoxie re-
fused to meet our chief under his titlel
Mr.. Powderly-He refused to meet me as
citizen He refused to meet his own employees.
Mr.. Hopkins-He did,
Mr.. Powderly-He does They told me en-
phatically that they went to see him and he re-
fused them admttance. / think You will have
to investigate Mr. Hoxie. / would advise it. 1
| think you will find it will do you good.
Mr.. Somerville-Havent you got Dir. Hoxies
assertion.
Mr. Powderly-Mr Hoxie may say that man
who gets up on pole and then greasss it all the
way down after him. and then invites you up
how are you to get ups
Mr.. Somerville-You are doing now what you
| said few minutes ago should not be done
taking newspaper talk. Mr.. Hoxie has not said
that to me, or TO anybody else.
Mr.. Hayes-But the men who were there2
Mr.. Somervie-But you are taking mems
TALK you got it through the newspapers.
,, mr. Powderyy-They were out there,
Mr.. Gould-Do you sag that Mr.. Hoxie has re-
fused to see committee of our .s'ens
Mr. Powderly-That is what they claim.
Mr.. Gould Ito Geo. ]. Gould)-Just make
dispatch and ask him that question.
Mr.. McDowel-As l understand it, the men
have confidence in the agreement to arbitrate,
or any agreement to arbitrate made here. They
have not confidence in an agreement-not an
agreement to arbitrate, but an approval of arb
tration as general principle. referred to Mr..
Hoxie there.
Mr. Powderly-There is misunderstanding
in some places, all around.
Mr. Could've have no st. Louis wire, sir.
Mr. Somerville-They may be able to get it
off in roundabout way.
Mr.. Powderlv-Is there a storm?
badly.
Mr.. George J. Gould-The trouble is between
here and Pittsburg.
Mr.. Gould Ito MIR. George j. Gould)-Can You
whistle up stairs and see if Judge Dillon is back
today
Mr. G. J. Gould-Yes do YOU want him down
if he isl
Mr.. Gould-Yes. Now another thing as to
the question of arbitration. There are two par
ties to an arbitration. If we are going to arbi-
trate we should know from the men whether
they wanted arbitration, and whether they would
submit to arbitration and abide by arbitration.
Mr.. Hayes-From your employees?
MIR. Gould-There will have to be an agree
ment by the company and by each employe.
II rpin fr1,V, he tbo~
room Mr. Dillon is in Boston to-day.
Mr.. Gould continuing it would
be of no binding effect
Mr.. Hayes-We say the employees will arbi-
trate, and are willing to give an agreement to
Mr.. Gould-Can you present evidence to that
effectl
Mr.. Hayes-We can stand upon public opinion
in regard to that point. If the employees don't
abide by it, then the organization is not worth
anything
Mr.. Gould--You could not bind any man, un-
less he agreed to be bound
Mr.. Hayes-No, and we can't say to man,
s'You must stay to work, whether you like it or
not
Mr.. Gould-As understand the law in an
arbitration, the parties to be affected by it shall
execute an instrument under seal. obligating
themselves ID submit questions to arbitration
and to abide by the result
Mr.. Hayes-We are prepared to stand upon
that, sir.
MT GOuiu-dave you got any instrument
signed by any individuals that they want arbi
tration2"
Mr.. Hayes-We will sign all the Instruments
Mr.. Somerville-Will they be bound by it9
Mr.. Hayes-Yes, sir.
Mr.. Somerville-They didn't seem to be bound
by the decisions IN the last case.
MIR. Hayes-The people in the Southwest are
ready to obey whatever command we say, in
every respect.
Mr.. McDowel-There is only newspaper talk
of rebellion
Mr.. Somerville--They did not abide by the
decision of the arbitrating committee in the Sec
ond instance 1t was in their favor in the first,
and the second was against them, and they |
didn't abide by it. The understanding and be
lief was that they would abide by the decision of
those Governors in both cases. They accepted
the first, which was for their benefit; they
would not abide by the second. Is there any
guaranty that they will abide by the decision2
Mr. McDowell-The best guaranty in the |
world is that they go right straight to work.
Mr. Somerville-But that is not it Will they
abide by the decision2
Mr. Hayes-News comes this morning that
Mr.. Irons has returned from wherever he was,
down along the road, to st. Louis, and awaits |
further orders. He says: IL have returned to
St Lous Please keep me posted He is ready
MIR. Goud-In addition, Mr.. Hopkins, you ask
Mr. Hoxie and refer him to the portion Of my
message to him yesterday in which say: eve
see no objection to arbitrating any differences,
PAST, OF Iuturo. UetWeeu the employees anu the
company" Ask him, do you see any objection
to thatl If not. you prepared to carry out
that part of it aso? Ask him that question.
Just let them see the dispatch after you get it
up, and ask him. further. if he is willing to meet
committee of the men for the purpose of ar
ranging such an arbitration.
Mr.. Somerville-Considering arbitration, just
see what he says about it.
Mr.. Haves-To meet the men for the purpose
of considering arbitration or for the purpose of
arbitrating.
Mr.. Somervllle-Considering whether arbitra-
tion can be resorted to. They may not want ar
bltration.
Mr.. Bailey-I can't see any sense in that
Mr.. Somerville-You have recited here that
Mr.. Hoxie is lot willing TO meet them; now he
(Mr. Gould) is asking whether he is willing to
meet them not
Mr.. Baey-If ne is, why don't you say Eyes