The Daily bulletin. [volume] (Honolulu [Hawaii]) 1882-1895, 1886-06-15

Rep. Dole said he was not very
well posted on that matter. He
then charged the Government with
having mortgaged the taxes in adj
vance for special loan at II per-
cent when there was loan act in
force.
Minister Gibson called the chair
mans attention to the fact that a
certain item was before the house,
but the hon. member was discussing
the general action of the Govern
ment.
Rep. Dole said the Ministers asked
for special instances of discredit,
but perhaps they had enough. The
mortgaging of incoming taxes was
result of the way the house was
going on now. The Cabinet asking
for permission to sell loan at dis
count of five percent was something
never before necessary because the
credit of the country had always
been good. He had nothing agaist
the Ministers personally, but had a
right. to criticize them for their acts
to the last point. The Minister of
Finance had been asked to present
list of unpaid bonds, but had failed
to do so. They might be in worse
position than any member there
knew. He did not wish to hand
down burden of debt to their sue
cessors. The United States had
incurred an enormous debt by the
civil war, but ever since had been
reducing it month after month, but
this kingdom in the face of general
prosperity was spending more than
its revenue. He thought he repre-
scnted his constituents as they
wished him to do if he refused to
vote for this till it was examined.
Rep. Aholo was in favor of refer
ring this item to select committee.
There were many reasons for that
course, some of which had already
been stated. He would also be in
favor of referring succeeding items,
when reached, to the same com
mittee.
The chair ruled Rep. Dickey's
amendment out of order until the
items mentioned in it were reached.
The motion to refer to a select
committee carried.
Pay of Postmasters. s............S 1900
Pay of Mail Carriers. $4,000
Both referred to above mentioned
select committee.
Postal Money Orders. 10000
Rep. Dole asked what the item
meant.
Minister Gulick referred him TO
the report, as he could not at the
moment remember the reasons for
every separate item.
Rep. Dole moved to refer to the
select committee, and that being
lost he moved 10 reduce to $4,000.
Rep. Hayselden moved it pass as
in bill, saying $500 had been ex-
pended for that purpose last period,
and the business was likely to in
crease. $4,000 had been voted
last session, and the unexpended
balance of So, 800 was in the treas
ury.
Rep. Thurston said that idea was
continually cropping up, but it was
all wrong, that if the money was
not spent it would be left in the
treasury. Whenever they would
find an appropriation that was not
spent, it would be found to be
something for the good
of the country--a landing, bridge,
road, or school. Where the money
was spent it would be found to have
been for some military tomfoolery
or for sending commissioner TO a
foreign country where he was not
needed. They were not satisfied
with paying Mr.. Carter in Washing
ton for what he could well do, but
must send another man and pay
him, simply because the Assembly
had put big margin on the ApprO-
priation Bill and left the Ministers
to spend what they pleased.
Rep. Hayselden said the hon.
member had stated the very best
reason for increasing the item, be-
cause exchange was cheaper, for
then there would be more money to
pay. There was no comparison be-
tween this matter and roads and
bridges. The business might in
crease and if there was not enough
appropriated the Ministry could not
pay foreign money orders. The
Minister knew best what was wanted.
The item passed as in bill.
Incidentals of Post Office. $l4, ,00C
Minister Gulick moved to place Il
at S22, 900, because of an increase
in business and money paid since
the close of the period. Claims hat
come up since then to the amount o.
5000 and had been paid.
Rep. Thurston said this was inter
esting information, that the Min
lister had, since making up his re
port, discovered claims of So, 900
Perhaps he had some other claims il
his pants pocket. That seemed ,
remarkable statement to make, tina
he had discovered $4,000 unpai(
claims.
Minister Gulick said, since TIN
member had made the facetious re