The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1885-07-11

The government could not then make a law; the
bills would have to be referred to the people for
their approval or disapproval. In the second
place, the people must have the right to ask of
their representatves-they would not call them
OBSERVATION-DISCLOSURES agents or delegates, to
make those laws in their interest, because, other
wise, the delegates might never make a law
which the people desired to have Thirdly, the
people must have the right to recall their repre-
sentatives from their places"
How could these changes be brought about"
'They may be had in different ways, and
think they are going to be brought about. There
is doubt it can be done if there is any will to
do it. That second reform is practicable for, in
Switzerland, if 20, 600 of the electors ask from
Congress that a law for such and such purpose
be made then the Congress is obliged to make
such law and bring it before the people for
their assent"
DO you think that the rich in our country are
growing richer. and the poor poorer
Certainly; there is no doubt about that The
large store-keeperS are monopollzng business
and swallowing up the small dealers. Such
state of things would not prevail if all trade was
carried on as state affair, like the postoffice.
Then there would be large stores to which the
raw material would be delivered, and from which
the different associations or trades could obtain
it. All the prices would be fixed prices. All the
money would be what we might call labor
money; that is. certificates for labor done, with
which anyone could buy goods at those stores at
fixed price OF course they would be kept by
public agents"
Mr.. Beecher in his talk says that the social
state there will always be the strong and the
weak, and that the strong must always have the
advantage over the weak"
''Of course there is q difference between the
weak and strong. That difference. IN the first
place, can be much diminished by education: no
doubt 1t can be greatly diminished by education.
But the great question is by what means are the
strong ones so strong and the weak one so weak!
How does it come about? Well, it is the capital,
and the better education which the strong ones
have The better education comes through the
better circumstances in which they live-ln other
words, the force of circumstances. This state
of circumstances can be altered. because it is
not natural, but social in its origin"
I'm my talks with clergymen many of them
recognize the fact that there is injustice done to
the laoorer at the present time and they say
that a better understanding will be brought
about between employer and employe by the
efforts Of the pulpit and the influence of the
church
Il cannot call that anything else but miser
able hypocrisy on the part of those who make
such nonsenscal statements, because the
preachers have been preaching for hundreds and
hundreds of years. and they have never made
the condition of affairs any better Then. again.
II they really are preachers, and understand
anything about human nature, they ought to
know that all preaching. in so far as moral ee
walton is concerned, is good for nothing. The
only way they can and ought to preach effect
ualy is by their own good moral life, but Of that
we have yet TO hear
do you recognize, Doctor, any difference be-
tween Socialism and Communism
There used to be difference between the
Socialist and the Communist but, in common
parlance, the terms are interchangeable and the
one is taken for the other
''As | understand you, then, Doctor, there can
be no solution of these questions between labor
and capital, except through revolution|
Il do not say it will be, but why should it be
profitable in any other wayY l say it is very
unlikely that will eXcPDt through
ton. Of coure those who are i'll power and who
have the capital will not give it up IN peace.
They have never done So
You do not think then, that the condition OF
our country, socially and politically is entirely
different from the state of France when the rev.
OutiOn occurred in 1882"
mo. as | said before. the small property own
ers will have lost their property"
What do you and your party think of the
Anarchists?8
I'VE agree with them in regard to the great
final end we wish to attain. The only difference
between us consists in regard to what we shall
do after a possibly successful social revolution.
The Anarchists have scheme that, in our opia
ion, is absolutely Utopian in its character, in that
it is based on state of revolution that we will
probably not attain to in many hundred
years We, at the present time, do not care
about what the details Of the future social state
may be. That we leave to tine future, to such
time when may have attained to political
power And further, we do not approve at all
archists consider most practical, and by which
they hope to attain their end"
Whom do you refer to as the Anarchists!
1--WE do not mix up at all with the Nihilists of
Russia meen the German Anarchists of this
country. In Russia they have no other means
to attain their end than such as they use, while
here we have means
you do not believe in the use of dynamite?'
mo, sir. We believe in using the dynamite
that will illuminate the minds of the people,"
refer
how would the marital relations of men and
women be regulatedE
That will be left entirely to the free under
standing of men and women. There will be no
such thing as ordinary marriage. Of course, we
would not want any preachers to cOnSecrate such
| an act, or any public authority. The state the
government or the commonwealth would have
nothing to do with il at ALL 1t would be be
mutual understanding
Speaking about labor, Mr.. Beecher says that
every man, under the law Of nature, must work
out his own 6estiny!
He must be allowed the proper circumstances
for his abilities to work out his destiny
''Mr. Beecher seems to think that man must
push ahead in the world and take his chances as
to being successful
''Oh. we'll, there is great deal to say about
the possibilities. How does he get the propen-
sity or the inclination to look around and find
out the best chancesl That is one point And
then that don't suffice to accomplish anything
He must be IN a situation to have fair play for
MS aDllltleS. NOW L, FOR instance, might make
a good capitalist or fnaneer, but have not got
the opportunity to be one. If | cannot put my
ability in successful undertaking. what can [
dot"
ut is said that Incorporate habits and the
want of thrift the part of the laborer, gen
orally, have much to do with his unfortunate
condition.
When the poor devil is worked down all day,
and has nothing to satisfy his inclination, or to
elevate his spirit, what remedy has he got for
0ppp q OILS Of baap
them. You do not believe that anyone would
be tramp If he could help it! OF course he
may have fallen down far that he really gets
an inclination to be tramp, but to fall down so
far the circumstances must be against him."
Girls Diary.