New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1885-02-28
GLADSTONE HAS A MAJORITY.
THE VOTE OF cENsURE BARELY REJECTED
AMARerS OF FOURTEEN VOTES IN FAVOR VI VI 1nr ,n,.
aoyrnNMrNr-rHE ogNsURE VOTED bi


LoNDos, % .;ve member of East Gloucester |
I,ae, su,ned the debate on Sir Stafford Nor'h-
-, ,t;on of cepsure He called the atten.ion
50 tho Uouse TO the fact that the Government h"u
not vet attempted to defend the deiay 'ha' o"u'e"
the death of General Gordon. The country was GU"
t;ted IN know what the policy of the Government
ia 70 he IN the Soudan after the Mahdi Is over
thrown. .., c.nOtorv
Anthony E. NJ. Ashley, Under-Cooniai secretary;
stated that the treaty between Germany anu
TransvoaI was signed in January, but had not ye'
been ratified. u
Tho-,as Sexton asked whether tho visit Oh the
pr;nce Of Wales to Ireland would signaze pohtical
amnesty the lapse of the Crimes act ana inc ap-
no;otment of a royal commission OF inquiry ih'o
the Dublin Castle rules
Mr.. Gladstone replied that it was impossioie ho"
70 enter into the discussion of matters OF sucn IN
portance and delicacy. Mr. Sexton asked ME-
Gladstone to fix day for the discussion Oh 'he
questions Mr. Gladstone said
"You had better wait to see II continue III
Office" Laughter.l ,o
lord Fitzmaurice then spoke in defence of the
Government. He stated, in reference to the ltaiiah
occnnatjou on the Red Sea coast, that Italy
in November asked the English Gov
ernment if it was opposed to ltarah
jurisdiction over Massowah Earl Granville re-
nl,ed that England would welcome it, but that the
matter rested between Italy and Turkey. Loro
Fitzmaurice said that although no dehnlte uhoer
standing existed the relations of England ana ltaiS
were of the closest friendship He looked forward 10
the time when stable government wGud Ssn Us The
lIshed 10 the Soudan and Thought that wheh t the
Suakim-Berb railway had been compie'eu 'no
country would have great future. uor soia
that whether the Government was or was not
defeated in the pending MOTION the exPeditgidd ,nnid
for the suppression OF the Mahdls Ie'"p "G Gr
ba
the vast Mohammedan population OF tnan hnrnrSs
that England could not dd De made The io ToVernment
adhered to its pledges and would not leave tne
Soudan until its objects had been scc9mpIdSheu opd no
support a policy undertaking the goyernnent OF a
new India in the heart of Africa. Al confidence
Would end if the Government were com
PEELED to inform the House OF the pre-
else measures adopted Tor 1ne onid hsye
revoted at the idea of party strdg5e t,o Wabd
sufferings II the Government smashed tne Manu
he was opposed to Mr.. Morley's amendment. but
was unable to exp press confidence IN the GoVerh-
narties in tine Cabinet on the Egyptian question
The policy of vacillatiOn was likely 10 commune,
and he would therefore support the MOTION ioi d
vote of censure. ,. A., L.,
The amendment to the censure motion offered by
John Morley, Liberal in favor OF the evacuation 81
the SSuGsn sn,gs was amendment to MI Nor
leys motion TO the effect that the Goyerhulenl nto
failed TO indicate policy justifyng the connngncc
of Parliament, or of the country, was rcJecucu oS
vote of 900 TO 277. .,.,
The House then rejected Sir Stafford Northcotes
nation for A vote of censure by 302 10 ZSS.,
All the Irish members voted against the Govern
ment. I'll. ~ fo,rto.u has |
is the lowest majority the Government GaS
obtained upon any eOr'ans he es
vote, which is normally estimated n Go;ns aI Z49f 81
ofI,
Irish members The peace Radicals supported INC
Government. .. .,rora tho |
end Of the debate, when 1t transPpbrvu an pNr
that a section of the Wings and the rar ar
nellites had decided to vote agaimsii ~
Radicals 10 vote against the cenSure notion thus
saving the Government from defeat.
THE LORDS SUPPORT sALIsBuRl's NOTION
In the House of Lords the Earl oil CarharNoh'
Conservative said that the conduct OF the Govern
rent toward General Gordon was of Itself suihceh'
70 induce him to support the motion for censure'
He declared that he knew of no record more shame
full than that of the present ministrys treatment OF
Gordon and knew of nothing more dishonoraole 10
the Government and 10 the country.
The Earl of Kimberley, Secretary OF state 1or
India replying to the Earl OF Carnarvon' said tha'
he thought the noble lord was chiefly exercised as
to how he could best General Gordons heroic
name as means for attacking the Government.
among the Soudanese the impression that the Eng-
hsh were coming to restore the Egyptian yoke.
The Soudanese bitterly hated the Egyptians.
The sneaker was firmly convinced that the p0Hcy
which had been pursued by the Gov
ernment had been right throughout. mat
policy was oleave Egypt when good Government
was established. 1t was simply impossible Tor any
English Government to remain In Egypt III the
face of the European antagonism which existed.
The whole policy of the Government has been 10
eytricate England from her difficulties and to
enable her with unwasted energies and concen-
tratcd power to return to her former state IN when
her strength would be greoter throughout the
world. ICheers.l
Earl Granville, Secretary for Foreign Affairs
maintained that the preceding Government had
sown the seeds Of ali the present trouble. He said
he was not surprised that Prince bismarck had dis
approved the present Governments policy, because
neither the preceding nor the present Government
had adopted Prince Bsmarcks advice to
annex Egypt. He regretted the fate Of Cen
eral Gordon, but declined to accept the odium
which the opposition sought to cast upon the Gov
enment as resulting from the amenabie disaster
at Khartoum He assured the House of Lords that
the Government was anxious to proceed with vlgor
in its present policy and to deal win 'he siase we
trade in the most cffectual way possible. lie. re,
garded Eugand's honor as pledged 10 deiend
Egypt proper -, .
The Suaklm-BcrDcr halfway "9uIu o1 uoou W W
convey troops and stores. lie Declined 10 give
definite answers to the questions put TO hm. In
ferrogatives he said, never put to any Gov
ernment before war; regarding the precise action
that would be taken in the war. In CONCLUSION, he
said that If Lord Salisbury became the head OF the
Government. he much doubted whether he would
propose and execute the policy which ne had pro-
ponpded If he did the country would force him
TO wriggle out of it at the earliest opportunity,
The Marquis of Salisbury replied briefly to Lord
Granvilie's remarks.
The amendment of Baron Wentworth Liberal,
TO the effect that English troops should not occupy
the Sondan any longer than necessary, ana that III