New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1885-12-20

for the poor. where they can have free seats and
where they are much happerby themselves.
HELorRort1Ah, gcnteaen, yon protesta ants
do a great deal that Is very admirable In your
reiI nous organizations, but you can never pailze
the Christian ideal OF a church for the rich and the
poor alike. You must come to the desplsed Catho-
lie Church to see hat ideal If Mr.. IntenseJones
would attend service At NV humble church some
SUNDAY he would learn hat IN Gods House there
are no classes and 10 social distinctions
HAY TEACHER-I say amen to that. No man
can succeed in the ministry Who is not first OF all
n man even before he is gentleman. The ministry
onght to be the manifest profession the face of
tbe earth And Its members ought 10 have the
deepest and truest sympathy with all the phases or
this human nature Of ours.
STOIE-Human nature is very comprehensive
thing. Shall we visit The dives and disreputabe
resorts in great cities, rs an eminent clergyman
once did, IN ORDER TO Learn human naturef III so, 1
prefer to do without the knowledge.
MISUNDERSTANDING |! clergyman is not
called upon TO do anything coarse or unministeriai
III order to learn huaau nature. There are to-day
thousands of supplemented country ministers
who, by going III and ont among their hOcks, have
learned vastly more about human nature IN all Its
phases than the FOSTERING debauchees who have
spent whole Lifetime in haunts of vice. The
school of virtue always teaches more that is worth
knowing than the school OF vice.
HAY TEACHER-I don't expect Father HehotrOpe
to admit it IT, nut the family life of the clergyman
breaches more eoquently than his sermons. ! adj
wise all young clergymen to be more anxious about
getting good wife than about getting good par
lsh for If they have the former the latter VIII soon
come.
DOCTOR-We have been taking SO mucu ABOUT
the short cOmings of the clergy that We are IN
danger of forgetting that the aty have their short
NEW LIGHr-Yes and the ecclesiastical machin-
erv of our modern churches many cases brushes
the manliness and individuality out OF the clergy;
In some parishes man doesn't dare TO be Dimseii,
or to preach what lie thinks. IL lie cd The WIFE
ana children would soon cry for bread. Inc mod,
ern church puts premium on dishonesty. And
the people who talk so mg gGy aSSa' the the
part of the clergy, will wax wroth
az any clergyman who proves his honesty and man
lmess by saying what he thinks. The fact Is
great many par shes pay Then clergyman not to
preach the Gospel as he has received IT. but as they
choose to understand it, They don't want the truth,
but simply their selfish views of the truth pleas
antly su gar-cOaied with pulpit rhetoric.
NgMO--Yes, that is why the modern pulpit is
often weak. Religion has become conventional
marketable commodity, not n divine revelation:
An Elijah or John the Baptist would be turned
ont of a modern church as tramps. Aud | much
fear that Brother lntense-JOncs would lose caste
with his parlohIoncrs II he we're seen speaking Wtn
SWEETNESS hold that clergyman is justified
under certain circumstances in going back to lay
life know that the Catholic ideal OF perpetual holy
orders has done great deal for the Church III more
ignorant ages. But the time is coming when
higher conception of the ministry VIII prevail:
The mere routine of parish work is not divine and
n clergyman who refuses To be bound down by 1T
may other ways DO 4 better work Tor Uod ana
SToLE-But the Churchs doctrine of Apostolic
NrMoNIs the Churclfs doctrine; that is the best
KNicKERBoCKER = Another unpleasant class
of people are those who always want
10 be cod1led They seem TO think that the churcn
was made for them aon" 80, ,
LlGUT--I think the clergy unwllllngly, perhaps,
reuel a great many people by their dress aud man
ner They use holy tone" in the pulpit aud
even outside the palpit. They deem 1t their pro-
fessional duty to irOWn upon all amusements, IN
stead of Themselves taking part in them. Ard then
it seems that he clerical dress tends To Duiid
mn a wall between the clergy aud people.
MI SINAI Taking abOut clerical dress, sup
nose Won have all heard thai since his last WISH 10
England Bishop l.awnSlecvts has worn the Anglican
Epscopal dress. knee brcecheS, black SILK stock
ings silver huckled shoes aud shower nat true 20
his convictions he wears this costume on inc
streets and is daily followed by crowd or &c
ris,vc street gamins who shout after him, Shoot
the hate and the like. iLaughtcr.l You can mag
me the feelings Of the Bishop, who is tie very
quintesSencc OF dignity and department.
DoCroR-Gentlemen, our discussion about, our
relations to the modern world has interested mo
very much. 4 few points have been mace Piain.
Tho clergy lave lost influence IN some things.
| of lIle Their sphere has been restricted, put I'D
their proper sphere they are SUI me- ana Will con
| tinuo so while they remember their nlgn Gaming.
There are difficulties in their pain-duncuitlcs pc
cu,iar to their calling nut no more IMAM laIi 10 the
| lot of all men, There are problems To be solved ny
| them and great ethical work 10 DC zone py tnelh;
hut no greater than they able 10 30 with ne aid
Of the Divine Spirit. And | can close thus discus
sion no better thanby 0tlrnng my cOhVctonJ Sse
| tho clergv as a whole have not degenerated: lhey
are hnt human and therefore liable TO err But the
frct stil remains that upon them rests the nope oi
our modern civilization.
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