The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1885-06-15

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that, followed by his immediate movement
towards ths office, we wish 10 introduce
the whole thing. being followed by shoot
ing. All occurred perhaps within a mlnuS
or half of that point OF time, and we say
that is part Of the res gestOs, and upon that
point We would ike to read soma aulhorl-
The Court sook q recess till o'clock.
Afternoon session.
Upon the opening of Court. Mr.. McAllis-
ter asked to be allowed 10 place J. W. F.
DIss. q reporter for the EXAMINER, on the
stand as the witness was very busy and
had little time to spare. Mr.. Diss was
accordingly called for tie defense and
sworn. He testified: During November.
1881 ! was reporting on the EXAMINER.
Have known W. II. Cameron Of the
Chronicle a number Of years. Have been
on friendly terms with him for many years.
/ recollect this shooting on the afternoon OF
the 18th of November, 1884. Was sent out
TO get an account of it by the EXAMINER.
and met Mr.. Cameron after the shooting.
l accosted him. as knew that he was one
Of tho employees of the Chronicle office. l
presumed he knew something OF the mat,
ter. and l asked him tor nls sta ement
concerning il. Thereupon he gave NE
statement the substance OF which L pub
Ashed In the next mornings issue OF the
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paper in pencil. in the street on ke1rpy
street in front of Hermann the halter s. or
right in that immediate Vlclnl'y, between
Bush and Pine.
~. CRmerun said in that conversation 10
you. il he said anything, about Mr.. DE
NOungs having pistol.
Witness-He said that after Otfcer LIN
VILE had arrested both Mr.. Spreckels and
Mr.. Emerson he went to asslst Mr.. De
Young and he inquired OF him n ne was
injured and, a. he did so, MI. DE AounR,
he said. was in the act OF
REPLACING A PISTOL
In his pocket and Mr.. De Young took off
his coat and he saw that he was bleeding.
and Mr.. Cameron assisted him into the
private Office and a surgeon was sum
Mr. MoAllister-How positive are you
as TO that statement made by Mr.. cam
eron that Mr.. De Young, as he claimed
here, was in the act of replacing pistol
In his pocket How positive arc you as
to your correctness about THAT
Witness-Well, am so positive that be
said 1t that am swearing to il now. That
is about much as can say.
O-You published it the neSt morning
in the EXA>uNERl Al published ltthe
next morning in the EXAMINER
Odd you take out your note book at
the time and make memorandum or II
/ Al did. took out material and made
memorandum of what he told me.
Q.-You took his full statement sup
pose2 A.-le>, ST. The substance OF his
statement, of course. -
ON denomination by Mr. Campbell.
! MT. Diss testified that no took the memo
randum of Mr.. Cameron . statement while
/ the latter spoke. Did not take the exact
| words but their substance. From the
notes made tn n he re wrote what was
published. Did not remember that Nh.
! Cameron said he saw the officer take
| pistol out of MIR. Spreckels hand
Mr., Campbell-NOw, il what you took
on your original memorandum, did you
| simply take what are known as catch
! words sort of headings
| Witness-No, l took down very nearly
| what ne told me, omIttIng an and or a
the " or a but. or anything of that
Mr.. Campbell-After that WAS published
Immediately after that was published
the next morning-did not Mr.. Cameron
deny absolutely that he had said anything
! Of that kind!
Mr.. McAllister-I object to the question
az to what Cameron subsequently SAID.
Mr.. Cameron has subsequently told very
different story-We admit that-On the
! stand. The question is what he said that
! first night. We are not trying to prove
what he said the next day or any subse-
Mr.. Campbell-We would have a right,
| think, in a case of that kind. where there
/ is a controversy between these two gentle
| men as to what happened at the moment
that that thing was brought To the atten-
| ton OF MIR. Cameron, that Mr.. Cameron
! absolutely denied having said anything OF
| the kind. Now. there are two ways in which
! this discrepancy of testimony may be ex-
! plained-one, OF course. may be that one
! or the other states that which is not
/ true and stated it deliberately. Another
! explanation may be that one has misun-
! derstood the other. and in such q case as
! that, if that was the case, il would be the
most natural thing in the world that the
J party who was misrepresented. whose
! statement had been miSrepresented
! though unintentiOnally. perhaps. would
Immediately deny-that he would not al
low the thing to pass without an imme-
date denial.
QUESTION OF vERACITY.
The Court-Did not Mr.. Cameron tes-
tify the other day that no did see Mr..
MIR. Campbell-He tried to testify so,
but your Honor would not allow him.
Mr. McAliisJer-We objected to it then
and your Honor would not allow that
quetiOn to be put.
Mir. Campbeil-I think he said he denied
it.
Mr. Taylor - The testimony must be
limited 10 the one conversation.
G,r. CaInpbell-1he cross examination
OF Cameron went to the question OF
whether n did not make certain state
m"nts q this witness at that time which
ne denied having made. Now, then. tn
WIinvs- says no did make those state
IarHts. y now ask whether as soon as
A.U. am ron ) attention was called to the
act Jasb this wIturs claimed he made
those utcn cnts 8. neiheg h cid not i'm
meSj1teiy Ceny til N
7. y i 1
The COust-I Do n t think there need be
any argument on that. 1t would De i'm
proper. The oh, octiOn is sustained.
Mr. Campbell Did You not on the very
next day publish n statement in the EXAM
INEK to the effect that Mr.. Cameron denied
anything about Mr.. De Young having
pistol there
Mr. Highton-That is in t as immateTial
as the question that your Honor has just
ruled out. 1t IS only ano her way of get
ting it in. 1t is not cross-examina ion at
The Court-Let it go to the jury. Answer
the question.
Witness-I did not.
Mr.. T lylor-We save an exception.
Mr.. Campbell-Look here at an article
in the EXAMINER, il you will look at this
lreferringl.
at il l want to take ruling on it.
The Courl-No on need not go beyond the
publication on the 10Th.
Mr.. McAllister-What he published on
the 10Th we are perfectly willing and
would like to have them read.
Mr.. Campbell-The paper OF the Goth is
not one that contained the Original pub
LEGATION. OF course, it could not be con
tradicted until we knew OF its existence
until Mr.. Cameron knew of its existence,
and he only way he knows OF its exist
enCe would be by seeing IL in the paper Of
the 10Th. The shooting took place on the
18th. Mr.. Diss publication was made on
the 10th. Now we propose to show that
Immediately upon that publication being
made that it II ct with an immediate con-
tradiotiOn on the part OF Mr.. Cameron,
and that on the 2lBt another article was
published by this witness in the EXAMINER,
showing that denial.
Mr.. Campbell ITO tho Witnessi-HOW long
did that interview last between you and
Mr.. Cameron A.-Well, l should judge
il lasted about two or three minutes.
Q.--Was not he on his way for the doctor
at that time! Al do not know wherehe
was going.
Q.-Was not he walking very rapidly
when you saw himR Al do not know
not very rapidly.
Odd not he tell you where he was GO
ingl Ale did not. Not to my reco1leo-
ton.
Q.-What time in the day was it that
-. ufu FOR,