Richmond dispatch. [volume] (Richmond, Va.) 1884-1903, 1885-11-22
1OxNIE CLUVERlUss CAST.
The 0fGclaI Record Of The Lillian
Madison Murder Trial.
THE MAYORS VETO.
His Statement Of Who Got the Esi-
eencs to Convict The Prisoner.

IOmek u. JiuSc5fuS 'S' Nv
monweallh Of Virginia, from the Hus'
ines Court Of the city Of Richmond" Ia
been printed, and makes book ofnearl
600 pages. The petition Of the prisoner
fled At Staunton, and heretofore pub
hshed in this paper, the indictment
various orders Of court and motion
cover tho first So pages. They viii
prove Of little interest to the genera
public. After them comes the test
mcny, beginning with that Of Mr.
Lysander w. Rose, keeper Of the Ok
reservoir. who found the body.
The evidence has been reduced oy
counsel and court to the narrowes
compass possible for them to agree on
Mr.. Roses takes two pages, Coronel
Taylor's seven, Mr.. A. W. Archer
two. Hunter Hunts one. Mary Curtis''
fourteen, MIR. Alfred X. James's twelve
DIR. STATIONS sixteen, Herman Joel''
twenty. -four. In some instances II wa
difficult, if not impossible, for the
counsel to agree on what the witnesses
said. and so the evidence as taken by
the stenogI apher had to be spread on
record at length. For example, such
was the perspicuity Of the testimony
given BY MIR. Cuthbert that, though he
was examined and cross-examined at
length, what he proved is put in few
lines, as follows;
Am Richmond correspondent OF the New
York NtToid Had an interview VIII .,e
PRISONER In jsil. Went down with Mr..
Archer. OF the Exchange Hotel, 10 see II ne
conld Identify him. and To get an Interview
an could--wifh ms MIR. Burton. OF Inc DS-
Dnich and Mr.. Wren. They were, IN an.
other room when MIR. Archer ana myseli
saw prisoner. ! sent him two messtges :
ne came MP In response to second; declined
10 make statement. lie said the last
time he had seen Miss Madison was in King
William county In september.
The simple point here proved was
that Cluverius said " the last time ne
had seen Miss Madison was in King
William county in September 1881.
On the other hand it was quite i'm
possible to compact the testimony OF
MIR. Joel, the matchmaker. Some ex-
tracts given will show the why's and
wherefores
Mr.. mpre0itn. U. 1 VIII yet you w lpph
upan the prisoner and say whether You
have ever teen him before?
A (After looking at the prisoner l De-
lieNe did.
q. Wherea bouts9
A. believe / saw him In Centreville.
q. In whose storeS
A. In one occasion saw him at the auc-
ton sale OF a carriage factory there. be-
neye that was the first occasion saw MN
there. TIE next time saw him was at j.
T. Bland A Brothers..
@ In CeDtTeVille?
A. Yes. SIR. =.
A couldn't tell you; / never was there;
but have done some work for people VINO
lived ia Little Plymouth.
q. Did you ever do any WORK Tor the prl-
A. could not say positively, but be.
believe did.
q. Mat vast?
A. could not say positively. remem-
Der ! believe. that fixed little ring at
tsched to watch. key Strengthened IL, and
believe did repair the key.
q. DO you remember what you did 10 II
A. believe do remembers would not
be positive what | did unless could see III.
q. Have you ever seen the key?
A. Yes, sir; saw the key.
q. who showed IL TO you?
A. could not remember who showed IL
10 me the FIST time, but remember the
second time you did.
Q. Was that the key that you think you
had repaired?
A. It's very much like II.
q. Submitting watch.key.) VIII you
look ri this key and see whether 1t Is the
frhe witness called for jewellers mag
nifying glass, and examined the Reyo
q. VoDtinuing.) Is that the key or not :"
A. believe 1t is very much like that key !.
but would ike To take II apart, because II
did II there is q little pipe put in there.
and remember, If that is the key, that
soldered II in.
MI Meredith: II the counsel on the other
side wish II they eau have II taken apart.
Mr.. Pollard: IL is your case.
X. is that the key or not?
A. 1t looks very much like II.
Judge Crump: q. Did you ever do any
work for the prisoner?
A. could not say positively but believe
q. what was IT?
A. could not say positively. / remem-
Der, believe. that Ifixed q little ring at
ieebed TO a NEUTRALITY-SUSPICIOUS. it-and
Ibelieve did repair the key.
Gross exsmi by Judge Crump: =.
When did you first see the prisoner?
A. Well. 1 will tell you how came TO Gen.
trtville. and the firsi occasion had TO see
him. II it is the man.
@. Now. You way you cannot be positive
that you ever repaired that Key ,,o.
TOOK tapart. Then l could examine and
tell whether 1t was my work or not.
q. Haven't you said in reference to who
gave YOU that key that you could not tell
who gave II 10 you without inspecting your
Mr.. Meredith: To whom did he say that
and " here? insist that this witnessshould
be allowed the privilege
Mr.. Crump Qnterposins): He said 1t to q
newspaper reporter.
Mr. Meredith Give his name and where
Hrurn. I understand his name IA
Mr. Meredith: And where did the con.
veration take place?
Mr.. Crump; In his shop mere IN hieh'
q. On the 18th day of April. did you not
say that?
4. No. sir: 1t was not the 18th day Q
April. l know that on the l4th read IL
the newspaper about IL already.
q. Did you not say that you could not tel
nom whom you received that key, II 20,
seeing your book that was down In th'
country
A. would not give him any testimon,
whatever but what he pumped out OF me
q Did he not pump out OF you tne iac
that you could not determine VINO you go
that hey from unless you had your poo9
A. No, sir. kept away nom saying any
thing 10 him, but he kept questioning ~
about n, and 1 made gu answer 10 hiln ou
may be didn't tell him the truth. didn
tnteDd To tell him anything Whatever y
aukw or 10 his questions. lie asked sue
questions that maybe 1 answered him Y
get rid OF him quicker.
q. 700 say now you cannet be positiv
that the prisoner ever brought you Una
A. He looks very much like the man tina
brought Inc that key.
q. When was 10 that key was brought9
4. IL was at the time that used 70 wor
NJ Centreville.
q. What month
x. / couldn't tell you what month 81
q. He looks like the man that brOusf
"A. Yes. ar: very much like him.
u, And that is all you can say9
A. That 10 ell can say.
"a. And you cannot tell when the ma
Brought IT.
"A. No. sir
q. Or where you were when be hrougl
I know where he brought II, but
cculdn't tell you when.
q. Where were your
4. Atcentreville.
Nv Mr.. Pollard q. understood you
nay In the beginning OF your testimon
that you could not say you mended key
thai sorts
A. Unless could take 1! apart.
Mr.. Pollard: q. Was It the second IN
you we're ~ Centresille that he gave yo
A. IL he did give me the key believe
vas the second or third trip.
g Is hc rave .ou the key at all ?