The Indianapolis sentinel. [volume] (Indianapolis, Ind.) 1880-1904, 1885-03-28
AFTERNOON SESSION

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AFTERNOON SESSION
NJ. WILLARD commended that bills can
be amended on the third reading. Reads
from page 90l, Cushing's Manual OF Parlia.
mentsry Law, Sections 1926, 1927 and
2,S2S.
Mr. WEIR: This bill is here on the third
reading. To amerd it would be contrary to
the practice in this body for many years. Ii
the SeDstor presents a correct parliamentary
rule, his course would lead to such amend |
ment IS q ay defect the bill.
Mr.. SELLERS: The rule OF the Senate
clearly indicates the course 10 be pursued.
[Reaos Rule 80 That rule clearly indicates
The time for amendment is befors engross- |
ment. Reads Rule 10 The latter part of
this rule applies to ali bills, whether ia Com.
mittee of the Whole or in the Senate. The
bill can not be amended at this time.
The PRESIDING OFFICER Mr.. Camp
bell. OF Hendricks, in the chairl5: / don't
think the question OF amendment can be
considered until an amendment is pro-
posed.
Mr.. MAGEE: I amend the FIRST section so
that the duty imposed upon the Board of
Com misaioners shall be devolyed upon the
Judge of the county.
The PRESIDING OFFICER: I shall hold
hat the amendment is in order, al / have
heard no rule CT the Senate or parliament
AIRY law cited that prohibits the amendment
of q bill at every stage.
Mr.. MCCULLOUGH read from page ~
OF Wilson's Digest of Parliamentary Law TO
sustain his position that amendments on the
third reading are not in order.
Mr.. YOUOHE read from Cushing's Man
nal, Section ?, l25; the rule IS IL amendment
would require the bill to be re-engrossed,
sucn amendment could not be made. When
any course OF proceedings'has been taken for
n long course OF years it becomes a rule
for that body.
Mr.. MAGEE: No authority mas bsen cited
that contradicts that read by the Senator
from Lawrence Mr.. Willar6l, which (Cush-
ing is the best on parliamentary law. No
rule prohibits amendment after engross-
ment.
Mr.. CAMPBELL, of st. Joseph: We are
about TO confirm a usage that has been es.
tablished here for a quarter of q century or
we ere about TO depart from that. 1t is de-
sirable that at any stage the Senate should
have the lower to amend a bill, aud the
rules OF the Senate provide amply for that.
: Reads Rule IL.
Mr.. HILLIGAsS reads from page 234,
Congressional Digest. Upon the third read
ing Is lie . plain proposition no amendments
: can be offered. Rule 80 Of the Senate set
ties thisq question.
Nh. FOULKE: While IL appears to be an
extraordinary proceeding to amend q bill on
the thirG residing, still it may be done.
Reads from Cushing's Parliamentary Law.
Mr.. MCCULLOUGH reads from 23I, Con-
gressional Digest, Rule -. On the third
reading a bill is not subject TO amendment.
Mr.. WlLLARD: Page 200. Rule -, clause
i, does lot carry out what is there stated in
the Digest.
Mr.. MCCULLOUGH: The section, 2.326,
in CuEhiDg's Manual, read by the Senator
from Lawrence, has no reference TO the sit
uatien Of the bill before the Senate.
Mr.. WILLARD: This is q vita question;
as to whether the Senate can az all times con-
troll any measure before it. and every part
and portion Of it. Ia no parliamentary d.
gest can there be found 8 word that will
tend to overthrow this proposition.
Mr.. WEIR: This is a question whether a
precedent that hes been established here for
years shall be overturned and q new rule
made.
Mr.. WILLARD. Every single authority
quoted here 10 day shows tina. bills are sub.
lsct TO amendment on the third reading.
The rules OF the Senate show il aud the Con-
stitution OF the State testify TO the fact that
amendments, except by way OF rider, are
permissible on the third reading.
The PRESIDING OFFICER: TIE Chair
unoerstsnos the almost universal rule is that
after eDgrossmeDt the question is shall the
bill psss?" The Chair i of the opinion that
rules of the Senate leave the logical inference
! that other amendments than those by Wav
OF nicer are IN order. The decision OF the
Chair is thet the amendment is IN order.
! Mr.. Y0UCHE and Mr. SELLERS sinh
nlitted an appeal, to-wit;
The President OF the Senate having decided that
engrossed II. K. 222 eau be amended on fbirs
reading without rfcOmmitting and over obiee.
lion. We. the undersigned. respectfully apbssi
T. !. s%gs54 4
The question being shall the decision OF
the Chair stand as the Judgment Of the
Senate2i
The Senate refused to sustain the Chair by
yeas u, nays 81.
Mr.. CAMPBELL, OF st. Joseph, explain
ing his vots: I did not agree with the dscis-
aion Of the Chair. / believe that our rules by
Implication ard our practices did not per-
init amendment on the third reading. but as
Ihsve Just found an authority that seems TO
male IL clearly parliamentary TO amend, l
shall vote to sustain parliamentary Law as
against our custom. At the bottom of Page
< 227, Jefierson's Manual, L find q discussion
OF engrcssment and this statement: But
the Senate OF the United States is so much
IN the habit OF making many and material
~dment at the third reading that it has
become q pratics not to engross q bill till it
has passed" With such authority IS the