Delaware gazette and state journal. (Wilmington, Del.) 1883-1902, 1885-10-29


these statements as unjust to President
johnson, and contrary to my experience
and knowledge of him"
Mr.. w. w. Warden, who wns the assist
ant private secretary of President John
son, being questioned on the same sub
iect, said that he was inclined to think
that Mr. Depew had uniutentionally given
color to the statements made to him by
General Grant. "I'here is no question
that Mr.Johnson said that treason should
be made odious; but do not believe that
Mr.. johnson wanted to go MS far as this
statement of Mr.. Depew would indicate
was his intention. Mr.. johnson, in his
younger days, was much opposed to the
aristocracy of the south. But l think
that his maturer views changed in this
particular"
Ex-Secretary Mccullough, who was n
member of President Johnson's cabinet,
says the allegations made by Mr.. Depew,
i'll reference to General Grants reminis-
conces of observation-disclosures scheme,
were entirely new to him. "My rela-
tions," he continued, with President
johnson were probably as intimate and
confidential Ms those of any member of
the cabinet. never heard suggestion
from him that could be construed Us
otherwise than loyal and patriotic.
cannot say that the alleged interview with
General Grant did not take place, for
that is said to have been personal inter
view, but what makes me doubt the cor
rectness of the statement is that the
personal relations between President
| johnson and General Grant were of the
most friendly character up to the time at
| which General Grant, rs acting Secretary
of war, yielded his chnir to Secretary
Stanton, and that was II year or more
| utter these occurrences are reported to
have taken place. AS l said before, il is
uot possible for Inc TO deny the correct
ness of Mr.. Depow's narrative, because il
may have happened Just ns he alleges.
General Grant said it did. can only
repeat that it is The first time ever heard
of it, and proposition involving 80
much i really think would have beer
spoken of and talked about and hardly
kept secret these 10 years,
Colonel William G.. Moore, who was
President Johnson's private secretary and
nm expert stenographer, said Thursday
81 have searched my notes TO sec If there
was anything that could possibly be con
strued into suspicion of 'reyolutionnr,
intent, conspiracy or any other form
of disloyal. reasonable or Objectionable
purpose on the part of President johnson
and have been unable to find anything {,
that effect"
Chauncey NJ. Depow reiterated his stor,
i'll an interview with New York Heyal
reporter Thursday. The report of til
interview closes as follows
'Do you know of anything else hearing
on the matterp"
''Yes. Vice President Frank Thompson
of the Pennsylvania railroad, dropped ii
to see Inc yesterday. He told me tina
years ago ex-Judge Ts1emiah Black in
formed him of .Tol .-lson's intentions. john
son sent "a BLACK and laid before hin
tn plan which he had mid before Gen
, Grant, and which detailed in my lette
TO Colonel Grant. He asked Black TO
his mid in carrying out the scheme. Yoi
know that Black had been attorney
: general in Buchanan's cabinet and was
very warm advocate of Nhnsons side
Black heard all that johnson had to say
and when the whole plan was revealed u
said, You have left one important facto
out of your calculations, Mr.. President
What is that ? johnson asked. Hell
4 was Blacks reply to the proposition.
''Do you know whether General Gran
ever told anybody but yourself the stor
that has been made public ?"
q don't think he told the story befor
Q or since to any one"
You said i'll your letter that you co1l
not remember the names of those VIII
had promised to aid Johnson"
; "No; they have died out of my mem
; Dry. johnson told General Grnnt th
names of those who had agreed to STAN
9 by him in his purpose, and the genera
repeated many of them to me. lie ais
=, told me of how he obtained informatio
i, about the southerners who were in com
munication with the White House at Oh
time. OF course, these men told thei
: friends, and it naturally came around I
9 the ears of the general, who was I'll
i greatest friend the Confederates had, a
q he had Just saved them practically fror
annihilation."
J. The Louisville C0urier-Journal pull
# lished Friday three columns of Generf
Grants testimony before the House judi
cinry committee, July 18th, 1867, iut
N prior to the impeachment trial, and say
editorially:
IL at is astonishing that amoug all th
Z wise men OF the east among all those s
d busy writing history not one should r,
member that General Grant did appea
before the judiciary committee aud Civ
L his testimony.
a General Grant certainly does not sui
e tain Mr.. Depew. He says distinctly thu
o President johnson did not propose to +,
1t cognize congress composed of souther
9 members and the Democrats of the nortl
y He asserts that in his public speeches
!, When swinging around the circle Pres
q dent Johnson did suppose n case' mn
4 then ask which would be the legal col
a gross; and he denies he said even tlt
n much to General Grant in private.
d ''This and no more is the substance {
y Johnson's treason" and il is plain th,
=, n whnt is new in Mr.. Depew's letter is M
u true, md what is true liz not new."