The Dallas daily herald. [volume] (Dallas, Tex.) 1873-1887, 1885-10-23
4 PHANTOM FIGHT.
GRANT AND JoANsoN's SPIRITS
Sunmsaed from the Great Beyond to
Renew the strife OF Decade Aeo.
"hat sherman and Others
say-The coarler-Jour-
hsrs Answer, Etc.

=. NSe&t hnsNoTs ono OF
tho controlling facts la .hy history Of
Anarew Johnson is that he was am
opium eater. To this cause his uos
extraordinary eccentricl.iea nhculd
doubtless be attributed, aud smonp
theln the scheme he proposed 10 Can
Srat Grant was perhaps the most
irrSt,onal. Hls career had seyersi
startling outbreaks thst were inoon,
sistent With state OF perfect sanity.
Az the same timo they Were presented
with y great deal of intellectual
shr9wduass, and this Ia one of the
casracteristles oi an opium eater.
THE HERALD HAS lNTE.y iEws
WIN numerous persona on the subject,
Soneral SHERMAN, st st. Louis, ilAtly
refused TO open his mouth further than
70 Say segt no was perfectly familiar
Wi'h tho condition OF affairs at the
tln areieiret To, but he Thought the
tvonls mad best remain uuwritten
httney might sooner be buried in
onuvioN. 10 sll direct questions the
GenerNl resUraed a fiat roiussl to reply,
4 Nv rnp,. rnssaof ,,aa, % refasiipg made
thought Dappw wrote the truth.
but only pSrs Of II. "Why,n said ina
genoral,h | have papers and letters. a
gragt mass OF documentary evidences.
proving Just whas transpired IN reln.
lion 10 tho matter, but i will neysr
allow any ono but myself 10 read
Them, and tho information pnssess /
VIII neyerimpars to a living s0ul,n
COLONEL FRED GRANT
sad u had been asked by the Herald
why this hc,ion Of General Grant had
not boom brought up at tho impeach.
ment trial. He said he knew of no
reason deiinitely, out no did know tha.
tho gsnera! YVES very muoh oppoHed 10
tho Impeachment proceedings, ana
that his father had told him thut rhs,
only great difficulty that occupied tn
minds OF thoughtful men ut thai
tima WAS nS TO who Wns
10 cake Johnson's placeif ha were i'm.
psached. Colonel Grant further said
lhst as knew o, no documents in OK.
ieteucD that were absolutely corrob-
orative Of the facts of the conversation
| that MIR. Depew had with his father,
but he had no doubt there were some
public men yet living who were con.
temporaneous with aim at the period
referred TO, and who were made ac-
quainted privately wish the actions of
President Johnson "phere is no ana
who could speak," aaid tho colonel,
with greater confidence and moro re-
LIABILITY thap
"aENERAL HORACE PonTERp
Gonoral Porter generally corrohe-
ratsd Depew's story. ana said, "lhs
secretary OF war and General Sherman
praised General Grantfor not accspt-
ing tho mission TO Mexico. A curious
complication lsY in the fact that Geu-
oral Sherman had already been or
dered TO Washington 80 take General
Grants place, IL bling taken Tor gr snt.
ed Inst Geuera, Grans would 20 upon
this. mission, sud sherman was al
ready On his way TO Washington. GEN
efal Grant communicated with him and
asked 10 aes him se soon
80 no arrived IN Washiu ,ten.
o9narai Sherman arrived in the
morning and won't 10 General Grant's
house, whore tho general told him OF
hia al&rm IN regard 10 tho state OF
thinga at Washington, mantiuniug
| what had transpired with the presi-
dent, and The stand ho had taken In
| the matter. General Sberman's patri-
otisu wesat once aroused, and with
the promptness and franlSnoss charpc-
you DID Ri0HT, GRANT; YOU DID EX-
ACTLY RiGHT.'
The question with tho executive then
was what excuse ho could mako for
having ordered Sherman to Washing
ton. Az soon rs ho arrived there he
was ordered on q mission to Mexico,
accompanied, If romember right, by
Lew Campbell, OF Ohio. That is about
tho secret history OF the matter. Grant,
by his force OF character and dotermtn-
a.ioR, and the strength he had on &C.
count OF tho confidence of the people
In him, prevented occurrences at that
time which might have heen very die-
gstrGus,r
GENERAL DAN sIcKLEs
said bO had read Mr.. Depew's lottor
with great interest. 'ilt is not sur
priso 10 mo-" said he, "for President
JohnsOn'g attitude toward the South
ard Congress was looked ON with great
unoasin8ss by General Grant and Sec.
retary Stanton"
Tns tGersld also publishes ntsrvlo wv
with a. NJ. Kelloy and w. w. Pasko,
which, rarhGpH, may DO best told by
It's comments, rs follows: "Tt will be
observed thsg Presi lent Johnacn's
friends, Tor example, Mr.. Pasko ind
Sir. kGilJy, do not hesitate 20
lMpUGN olNgRAb oRANr'S vERACTfY.
Nnas "a tFa substance OF their letters,
however ~ may hs yelled by u pro,
fusion oi wnTds. Itis sssd issue that
has eH raised, bat boing raised, Ii IL
ons which tho country will insis: shall
not be avoided, but settled now and
for9yer. On the one hand, it Involves
tho loyalty sad 4 nor OF president OF
the unlted St0tes who has lain 10 years
Ia his grave; o. tao other baud, it In
wolves tho honor ead veracitJ OF the
greatest eoldisr OF our continent, WHO
also hold tho aama gIo Sc Office, and was
borao 10 burial less than three months
ago. Wo deem II tho Hllal duty OF
Colonel Grant, forthwith, to rive to the
ppbllo tho documents, letters and per-
soual reoolleotlons by which, Ga he as.
sured MIR. Dop0w In 8 letter chat we
prirtod yesterday, ho has verified
General Grants narrative OF President
Johnson'g revolutionary designs
and praposals. The jntsrviow with
Colonel Grant, which we print this
morning, Is not altogether eatlsfao-
tory
Depew and lis Sang .'linool;oa Out"
LoUrsvLLE, Oct. 2,.--Tn vlew of tho
publication Of Mr.. Depew's lottsr rela.
tlva g. General Grants conversation
about oS-psesldont Johnson, the
Courier Journal will publish three
columns of Grants Testimony
taken belptc the house judiciary com.