Madison times. (Tallulah, Madison Parish, La.) 1884-1???, 1885-10-31
GRANT VS.. JOHNSON.

Grant, giving long account of a
conversation he had with Gen.
Grant at dinner party in 1881.
The entertainment was of several
hours duration, and during that
time Gen. Grant related to him
wonderful story of how Andrew
Johnson Immediately after the
death of Lincoln was for hanging
all the leading rebels, military and
civil, which scheme Grant refused
to countenance. Grant told Depew
that Johnson hated the South be-
cause he could get no social recog-
milton from the southern aristocrats,
being himself "poor white"
Shortly afterward Johnson changed
his ideas entirely, which change
was brought about-so Grant told
Depew-by the leaders of the cold
feudalism" calling on Johnson and
telling him..
They admitted their former treat
ment of him and justified it. They
said that in all ages and countries
where caste distinctionsexisted con-
ditions were always possible which
promoted men who had achieved
success from the lower into the no.
BILE order. AS President of the
United States he became, regardless
of birth or ancestry, not only a
member of their order, but its lead
er. johnson was wild with delight;
ambition and pride were both salts
fed. He became as anxious to
sustain and perpetuate in some
form q system which had given the
highest social and political distinc-
ton to few great families as he
had been to destroy it.
Then J ohnson proposed to Grant
that the late rebellious States
should be invited by proclamation
to send to Washington their full
au,ta of Senators and
Representatives and that with
enough members from the North
in sympathy with the movement a
quorum would be obtained, and,
those refusing to join in would be-
come rebels, and with Grants as
sistance their opposition would be
nothing. Grant opposed this, and
told johnson that he would drive
a Congress SO constituted out of the
Capitol at the point of the bayonet,
Grant had also told John son that
he would oppose his first plan OF
hanging, by force if necessary.
This is the great secret limited at
,, by Mr.. Depew last July.
Of course this has set the tele-
graph wires all over the country to
work to get the views of men in
J prominent positions at that day
: with the following results: Gen
E Sherman a notorious slanderer anc
5 prevaricator says it is true but hat
since said he knew nothing about
i it. Gen. Sickles is not surprised
b Gen. Horace Porter "generally
t corroborated it," Col. Fred Gran
? claims to have verified the state
4 ment by letters and documents il
h his possession but the n. Y. Her
b aid had an interview with Col
. Fred, which it pronounces "no
= altogether satisfactory" On tn
d other side Hugh Mccullough
It never heard of it before and doubt
b ed the statement, Gen. John B
}. Henderson, Senator at the time
= and also an intimate friend 9
h Grant, in a long interview say
h that up to the time of Grants qua,
n rel with johnson in the matter {
= the removal of Secretary Stanton
d Grant had been firm opposer
h of the impeachment of johnson br
d that from that time Grant becam
!, "warm and jealous advocate
h impeachment" Gov. Gross
h New Mexico, also Senator at tn
d time says the same as Gen. Her
D. derson, Lyman Trumbull. the
Senator from Illinois, "entirel
discredited the story" Vice-Pre
ident Hendricks says it is not tru
d, and does not know anything G
which to found the charges
Grant. w. w. Warden Assistal
w private Secretary to johnson
Id thinks Mr.. Depew has colored Il
Q, statements made by Gen. Gran
In and finally Johnson's whole caree
p which was one of exceptional no
ry esty is evidence to the falsity
tho oharoas and Mr. DepeW mu