The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1885-06-23

CElIDlnAL6Q TOO IAuCn GEalD1k the manu-
tActures Of California. Ii was not riRhs
tor them 70 do So that would be perfectly
sat1aheo II they charged one cent or half Q
cent or two cents or nve cents . pound
from the East here, and pay the same, 80
that We could be placed on an equal foot
ing with the East. Prior TO the lGt day OF
January, 1881, sugar had been i've cents q
pound from New York here, and they
lowered &c down, believe, to 90 cents 9
hundred. and charged 81 As 70 Ogden. The
whole thing was TO bring in the Eastern
sugar. That was the object. and / thought
it was not fair. never made q contract TO
pay them 3 certain amount OF money CT
that they should transport sugar for me ct
q certain rate. 1t WAS agreed that I
should send there al the same rate, say.
for instance. two cents from New York
here.
out the Eastern sugars from this marketl
A.-No. sir, no more than IL shut me out
from the East.
Q.-Wel. what asked you was this:
| Whether raising the rate to TWO cents
pound did not virtually exclude the last
ern sugar from this markets A.-No sir;
I've cents pound did not keep the East
ern sugar out, but We were not so well
then In our sugar business as we are now;
we have improved and learned. Every
day learn TO manuf cturc cheaper. and
get 1t in the same ratio as the East, so that
can manufacture as cheap as they.
Q.-How were you not then enabled to
keep up difference in price between two
and two and q half cents q pound for
your sugars here than the Eastern refine
ries get for theirs in the East! A.-Well that
is l say q question l cannot tell what they
pay for their sugar. They have different
way for buying from what l have. The
witness further said that he did not know
anything about his sugar being sold
cheaper in Denver than In san Francisco
REDIRECT EXAMINATION.
On redirect examination Mr.. Spreckels
said that the company lands in Hawaii
comprise between 1000 and 5000 acres
IL, o. 81, IL
or Is, COO leased from the crown for thirty
years. The reason the latter was in his
name is that the company, . corporation.
could not hold land at the time the lease
was made. Mr.. Taylor then read the
agreement between the witness and the
corporation relative to this land. and the
Company to the Hawaiian Commercial
and Sugar Company. There was enough
money or sugar on hand TO pay the second
dividend and tho overdratt OF S3O,OOO, the
witness said. Mr.. Taylor next read
THE FINANCIAL REPORT
OF tho Secretary of the company dated
November Is, 1884, showing q balance on
hand of 81, $50. $50 40.
Mr.. Campbell-And at the same time
the stock was not worth a cent In the
market.
stock was not worth q cent in the mari St.
I will ask you II you dealt in that stock at
any time when It was not worth cent in
the Market A.-No, sir l never bought
one share. | can give you the names.
Just let me state the truth there, MIR.
Campbell. Let the people know all. Il
won't hurt anything. will give you the
names and tho facts. Mr.. Perry came there
tony office andsays, NOW ME-. SpreckelS'
Mr.. lloyd object to any conversation
between him and Perry. A.-Well. did
not buy share, even At two PITS;
sol A.-Yes. sir. Let mo explain why
did not buy it It was fol. the simple
reason that would not buy the stock that
others might say l bulled the stock down
nd lust hauled it in. II it had been
offered 10 me for two bits would not buy
it. for that reason. did not have q share
Mr.. Taylor-Something was asked you
about tile company running behind
$500 OlG. Was that correct A--No. sir;
that was not correct. could not state 1t
| this morning. | can give II to you. The
$3.50 O75 81, out of that comes $l70274 IL
for construction so that instead OF S29O.0O0
| it 10 $4,000.
Q.-The other was Tor construction puC-
poses1 Ayes. sir.
THE EASTERN REFINER.
Mr.. Campbell-You said on your direct
examination Mr.. Spreckeis that you said
| to your son that the Chronicle was paid
O.-Do you know anything about it
Al will give it to you exactly. II Tou
want it, the whole thing
Q.-Do you KIN Nv anything of the sortl
Il
Al got it from man.
Q.-Of your own knOwledgel A.-No.
sir. but I will tell you the man.
Ono. I am not talking to you about
the man. A.-Wen, have not lpaid the
owen, then, you have no knowledge
of it? Al have no knowledge of the
O.NYou have no knowledge yourselfl
Al have not; have not seen it paid.
CaInnhnll-I ASK to have that
stricken out aa hearsay.
The Witness-f you tell me that you
paid man thousand dollars l believe
| tells me so, and think some time we will
be able to prove 1t is SO.
Mr.. Campbell want to know whe:her
he knew the circumstance.
Al know the circumstance.
Mr.. Taylor-He simply believed that 1t
existed, ana that is as far as he goes,
Mr.. Highton-,He furnished you all the
Mr. Campbell-Yo say you have got it
from somebody else. Who was the man
you got it from2 Al got il from Henry
O.-When was that? A.-That was,
believe. in 1881. believe 1881, in Septem-
her, l think.
o.ANow. who was present at that con.
Versation? A.-Well, 1 do not know if
| any one was there. 1t was in the office.
90 not SaO Ss ts S Uns shSt Ss paid the
money to Mr.. De Young or to the Chroni-
| Gle? A.-No, sir. II you like all the whole
thing told as he told it. you can have it.
Oh just want your conversation with
Mr.. Campbell-Did he say when it was
| pAid7 A.-No. sir. did not go into such
Odd he say where it was paid. A.
Odd he say how much was paid. "A.
Q.3Or to whom the money was paid.
o.EWhat time in 1881 was thatl Al
think in September.
accord with the Eastern rehneriss, were
| you7 A.-Oh, I was good friends with
them. They were in business opposition
| to me in one way.
WHAT he SAID.
MI Campbell-Now, sir, II you wish to
state what that conversation was. you can
! make any statement that you want.
| will not object to iG as improper. A
asked him, Why do you do such q dirty
| thing as to get paper to blackmRil me or
go after met And he said, Claus. have
me to contribute to It, to get paper in the
| city OF San Francisco. l said no. never
| will pay . cent; but did pay 20 send soma
| lobbyists toWashington against the treaty
| but, he said, 1 never will go against YOU.
| He knew, he said, that there was money
| brought over here. His money would not
come here. He was good friend to me.
He paid for lobbying in Washington; tGat
| was all.
Q.-Now he paid nothing, but he said
| that other people did. Ayes, sir.
Odd he mention the name Of any
| paper at that time A.-No, sir; men
toned the paper. l mentioned the ChroTa-
| icEe.
Q.-And that you say was in September
! of what year, Al believe in September
of 1881; l wouldn't be positive.
Odd he state who came down to get
the subscription! Al did not ask that.
| can get II though.
Mr.. Lloyd-We viii get that very
| quickly.
Mr.. Highton-I don't think that side re.
| marks to the jury are proper.
The inquiry branched off to the subject
Of the meeting of the stockholders. The