The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1885-06-15
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the stand.
Mr.. McAllister. Q.-What time, Mr..
Spreckels. on the afternoon of November
10, 1884. did you go up on Kearny street
About quarter TO 5.
Q.-Where did you meet Mr.. Walters on
that occasion Al met him not very
far from the corner OF Morton and Kearny.
He asked me where was going and told
him was going to the stable to get my
team. and he walked along with me.
! Q-Where was 1t that you first saw Mr..
| De Young, il at ala Ale was coming
out OF the Elite saloon.
Q.-WheD Mr.. DE Young came out OF
the Elite saloon how far was MIR. Walter
and yourself from himl Al should
| judge about eight feet.
Odd Mr.. De Young see you on that
occaaionl A.-Yes, sir. he looked directly
at me.
Odd Mr.. De Young at that time make
| any movement If so. what was itl A.
| He unbuttoned his coat.
| Own you be kind enough to show
| that movement to the jury2 A.-HiS coat
wss buttoned up this way. AS soon as he
saw me he did this. very rapidly. lUnout-
| toned il.
Ale put his hand in his side pocket.
(Which hand was that he put in his
side pocketl A.-His right hand
| Q.-When you say his right hand pocket,
| you mean his pantaloons pocke3 Ayes,
sir.
! Mr.. McAllister-After Mr. De Young
came out Of the Elite saloon. what course
did he take thenl Ale walked north
| ward, toward his Office. We walked in
the same direction.
! Q.-How far apart was Mr.. De Young
/ and yourself walking along on tho west
| side of Kearny street from the Elite
| saloon say to Bush streeti Al should
! judge about eight feet; eight to ten feet.
! ] would not be accurate as to that.
| Q.-Where did you part with Mr.. Walter
| on that occasions A.-On the northwest
corner Of Bush and Kearny.
Odd any conversation take place at
or about your leaving Mr.. Walter on that
occasionl Ayes. sir.
Q.-State that conversation A.-Hs
said TO me II hope you are not going to
make a damned fool OF yourself" replied
that had no such intention.
Q.-Whst did you dothen, Mr.. Spreck
els7 Al walked OYER 10 the Chronicle
Odd you see Mr.. De Young enter the
Chronicle ofticel Ayes. sir. did.
Odd you then enter the Chronicle
office behind him I! Ayes. sir.
Q.-After Mr.. De Young entered the
Chronicle Office what course did he pursue
inside Of the otfice Ale walked behind
the brass gate towards his private office.
Q.-What course did you pursu0i Al
walked as far as the gate.
Q.-When was il. If at all, that you ad.
dressed Mr.. De Young. and how did you
address him on that occa sionl A.--Mr.
DE Young got to about the southwest cor.
ner OF the desk. at the double desk
Q.--How did you address him them A.
Il addressed him very politely Mr.. De
O.NWhat was done after you addressed
him twice Mr.: De Young. Mr.. De Youngl
AIR. De Young wheeled around and
thrust his hand in his hip pocket.
(Which hand did he thrust IN his hip
pocket A.-His right hand.
Q.-When Mr.. De Young turned around
can you tell whether he saw you2 A.
Yes, sir. M did see me.
Dwell. you stand up and show the
jury In the first place, was his coat but
r,a6 - fto fVnn nj
coat was unbutJoned.
Q.-Now, when you called him VIII you
show the Jury what movement he madel
Ale was walking this way, and he
wheeled around to the left, sir. and as
soon as he caught sight Of me he threw his
hand around in this way.
Q.-And what did you do thenl A
There was nothing else for me to do then
but protect myself.
Odd you draw your pistol at that
time Ayes, sir.
Q.-Had you drawn your pistol previous
to that A.-No, sir.
Q.-You drew your PISTOL and fired ,
Q.-Did you know whether you had hit
him with the first shot A.-No, sir;
O.-What did he do after the first shot
Ale kept backing toward the desk;
evidently trying to.
Q.-What was his position when he
backed from you Ale was facing me
OWN you be kind enough to show
the jury what was his position when he
backed from you Ale kept backing
in this direction. evidently trying to get
behind the desk to afford shelter for him
self.
Q.-Why did you follow him up} Al
thought it was the only thing for me to do
to protect myself. l heard scuffiing In the
Office; people m hing about
Q.-When did you fire the second shot :
Aust as he got around on the north
side OF the double desk.
O-WaS he standing down when
you fired the sec, nd shot q Ale had
Just grabbed a chair at Emerson's desk.
Ole WAS standing upl Ayes, sir.
Q.-And what occurred there In refer.
ence TO that-hib falling down-if he fell
at all} Ale did not fall down; he lay
down on the floor and held a chair up in
Q.-You mean the chair? A.-Yes. sir.
Q.-What chair do you refer to! A
Emersons chair
Q.-The chair at Emerson's deskl A.
Odd you shoot him after he was
downl A.-No, sir. did not.
Q.-How long have you been in the
A.--Well. about four years.
Q.-What was your object and intent in
going to the Chronicle oficel Don't an
ject TO it. What was your object and in
tent in going to the Chronicle office on this
occasion
The Court-Answer the question.
Al wanted to expostulate with Mr.
De Young.
went in o the Chronicle Office on this coca
sion Of attacking Mr.. De Young A.-No,
sir; did not.
Q.-When you met Mr.. De Young at the
Elite saloon, was that meeting expected by
you. or was 1t unexpected Alt was
o.@When you addressed him. Mr.. De
Young Mr.. De Young" did you not speak
in an ordinary tone Of vOicel A.-Yes.
Mr.. Loyd-Ask the witness what kind
of a voice he spoke In.
Mr. CAMPBELL object to his leading
the witness. Counsel has been leading the
witness all through.
Mr. McAllister-That is . very unjust
remark and very untrue one;
Mr.. Campbell-Well, think it is very
M Mr. MoAIHster-Did you speak in an or.
u Nh. iloyd We 10 Ct. lie asks. Did
you speak in an ordinary tone OF voice?
Mr. 6icAl.istc--1 nat IS not the cues
M! Mr. LioydEWcli that is the question
The Court-Whai Is the answer. Al |
spoke IN very ordinary zone OF voice, as |
O,|Tie pis. oil that L had on you. Mr.. |
Spree kels, al the time of TINS affair, how |
long had you been carrying that same PTS !
:ol A-tor about four years
Q.-Wben you orig nally commenced TO |
carry ans ! did you obtain permit to |
do sol Ayes, sir, did.
O.-I mean permit from the Police |
Commissioners A.--lCs. sir.
Mr. Campbell-The question is whether |
he had permit at The time II this occur |
Mr, McAllisteT-I Mt understand that |
he had a permit at this time, but he OBJ /
tanned one, originally.
Mr.. LlJyd-The permit ran ont in
Mr.. McAIlister-Well l am not familiar |
with these permits.
,9Id be familiar with every fact in your