New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1885-10-09
FORAKER AGAINST HOADLY.
THE LEADERS IN OHIO MEET IN DEBATE.
GOVERNOR HOADLY OBLIGED AT LAST TO FACh HIS
REPUBLICAN oPPoNENT-rHE srEEChLS Al
TOLEDO.
fBr TELEGRAPH To THE TI.BUSE.l


TOLEDO, Oct S.-Interest in the OHIO cam
parn which has been growing in intensity ortwo weeks
cnlmnated to- night ia debate between GeorgeHoaoy
and J. b. Foraker the leading candidates on the Demo-
cratic and Repub AN tickets respectively. NO uepa'o
between rival candidates for the Office OF Governor mas
taken place in Ohio since the Politicians from al
parts of the state were in attendance The hotels were
all crowded their noisy corridors suggested the pres
ence of reat State Convention in the city The opera
House. where the discussion took place, Is small us
seating capacity does not exceed lJOO 1here were
present about $500 people All OF the house save inc
stage thrown open to the public and every 1901 OF
available room was occupied The crowd which let inc
doors unable TO find standing estimated Mt
5000 There were hundreds OF worthy people WhO'
thrust aside by rude buminers y ana Dch"crhtlc
thugs" were unable 10 gain admtance. The daSau'-
faction with the preliminary arrangements was great,
The Republican local committee wished to issue h'eu
number of tickets and divide them equally between the
two committees for distribution The Democrats OBJ
iected to this; and they objected also, to meeting IN the
open air The Democrats of Toledo were extremely
anxious TO take advantage OF the RepuhcahS ana
wished to avoid the debate il possible Governor o4dy
had to come here yesterday the matter him
self Toledo has large dsOrderly element ana the re
pulcaus were opposed to place for holding olis
OF the debates; but the Democrats insisted ON Toledo
ard the debate could have been ad in no other way Inc
Democratic ruhans filed the galleries last night ana
made themselves at times extremely obnoxious by in
had requested the audience not u manifest tei appo
baton in an audible manner The body of the house was
crowded with a remarkably 0ne audience Ladies hIed
the stage boxes aud scattered through the aunec'
The orchestra chairs occupied by solid business
men Every man present had a to cast and there
was manifest disposition To listen kady 10 All 'h"l
was said There numtcr of wel-kno"h poH-
tIcans on the stage General NOyes was there, cnn'
smiling attentive. Ex-Governor J. T. Neal, OF Idaho
sat near him. The charnen OF the meeting were Con
gresham Frank IIurl and John Doyle eNndge OF the
Ohio supreme Court Frank Buri lmped on the stage
and with melodous voice introduced Governor ho'dS
without any preliminary remarks. The chairman ana
Governor Hoadly warmly greeted.
Governor Hoady, though he made speech this ater
noon did not appear to be atisued lie plunged at once
into his speech and evidently drew inspiration from MS
surroundings II was "A scene to impress American
citizen All the interest and possibly the result OF tue
canvass was centred there Both candidates seemed to
realize that they were trial aud that it was to he an
intellectual struggle. Hoadly came before the people
with the prestige OF the first Office in the state OF ONO
aud the reputation OF q remarkably brilliant slechI
rleader Foraker came with judicial reputation Of
which any man might be proud and the good repue 81 an
abc honest se-rcspecng II was evident that OF
the two men the Republican candidate commanded
the greater respect Governor Hoadlys speech was an
appca to the passions q; men His point was that
the Republican party IN favor Of prohibition and
therefore opposed 10 fair degree OF personal liberty
lie argued that drinking good thing and ons not
to be suppressed Throughout he appealed 10 the
whi,key men and made bids for their favor Tue toy
ernor was not his best His speech WAS low III tone
ard vulgar in dicton. lie continually begged the quc'
u,n and al no time pretended to confue himself - the
uttcrances of the Democratic platform He denounced
mr. bihition and said that while he Governor II
would never get any uep from hin. The truth Is the
Democrats are alarmed at the Prohibition movement IA
this state II understood that j. drawing some
Yates from the Democrats IN the country ana they are
working diligently the cities 10 create opposition to
Prohibition and make the liquor men think that the
EeDnllicAps will enact absolute prohibition law. At
one point in his speech Mr. uady said that he thanked
God that he Republican and lac was inter
rupted by storm Of applause which continued one min
ute Ii Disconnected him, although II was his happc,t
uttcrance Democrats tne platform were displca-cd
with Hoaiys conspicuous demasOgi.m and said bat ho
vas tho low and bitter to make converts. to create
uleasant impression for himself or bis party.
Iloadly began by rcciung the crcnm
stances leading to the challenge toa JOINT
/ debate The most important issue OF the
o.najon he declared to ne the question OF personal
liberty and how far it nerercd with BY the Laws to
the habits Of drinking He then proceeded 10 define the
positon OF both parties liquor question by reading
the platform OF each. lie defined the plank IN the lc-
pubcan platform recognizing the night VI The people to
amend the organic Of the State that the Re
pubcans favor prohbtory Amendment aud argued that
the pont was how far the law may 20 10 regulate the
ne-sonal habits OF citizens OF the state The answer TO
depended on tie answer 10 Tue "tn,l fne 'lon: M
or winel l. "a to he allowed 10 lnuug" Ia lUlcrd"
drinking which dOhm No Aarmii drinking hc wee,
selling liquor VICE. pnl, u ma" WI" ~ 'Ii 80, 20
.elf-conrO WHO takes drink on farm dnc- 10 harm.
then Inc does harm 10 drink It In saloon lie referred
/ - tbc local option feature II the scott Law,
1rrnhu50n in spots. which dneres from total urohibi
ton as a coachdog diner. from dog. aIi OF one
! color" and mathematical tho scott law FOR
/ I'M, feature lie dcdued himself ~ opposed - par
of personal the fullest extent lie elaborated
| the point that: II wrong IN one place drinking was
,.11 rio IN a A III.
The principle that would justify The Stott ih"s local
option feature would JUSTIFY the prohDlton oi Ihewns
cuson that legislation must be directed against the
evils Of lGu0T drinking not against drinking Itself
This was the right direction OF Temperance legislation
within cities without The most valuable possession
OF citizen his personal liberty Therefore al move
mcnts which strike at this must DO opposed Drinking
Is not VICE but excessive drinking Is Prohibition Is
failure IN Maine in Kansas and iowa statistics OF the
number Of United states liquor licenses issued III these
States were read showimg an
! an incentive 10 hypocrisy and announced hmsel;
against 1t root ana branch ne chalehgel JuHEc loI+
ker state why he Is IN favor OF local prohibition IN
municipalities and not IN favor OF pIohlblI0n IN The
with pacard in front Not for Prohibition" the
back a pacard Not against Prohibition" and chal-
ton opposed 20 t. lie insisted that prohibition Il
the issue In Ohio because tho Lext Legislature VII be
| know If ForOker elected Governor whether he
| would In his message recommend tho submission OF
| prohbitory amendment TO the state constitution lilo
demanded also 10 know whether. II the Republican
decision that tho Scott law IL unconstitutional and
pol the saloon keepers 10 pay back the taxes lie
this Is the Republican programme, and do
clared that there but two methods Of settling the
temperance question-DrohibtOn and license Tho
Scott law was bastard kind OF license. He favored
graded license, measured according to the amount Of
license protects the tariff secures personal liberty
OF the people brushes out low dives and secures Obcd
to law by dealers lie declared that houses OF ILL
fame would not bo licensed TO sell liquor as under the
Scott Law.
The speaker quoted Senator Sherman as saying that
the Legislature OF OHIO caunOt license the sale OF liquor
and under the present constitution he could not how
IA tax law could be passed that Will not have 10 be
strued by the courts license. He declared taxation
revenue power, not police power, the Scott
law made IL, and said that the law proved
failure as police measure because more
United States licenses were issued the year 1t In
force than the previous lie closed with brief
legal argument % show that taxation /. really license
| and nnCOnst itntiOnal