New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1885-05-03
A TALK WITH Mr.. FROUDE.
WHAT HE HAS SEEN IN HIS TRAVELS.

ran who is now I'm this city Is tall spare man, slgntD
benf with face strongly marked by high cheekpo"o'
massive chin and square, high forehead. lie h"9 -
English sdewhiskers of the meagerest cut, and Is no"
wearing q white sombrero, which, WIN Bis ,no
" steamer clothes" gives him somewhat ~"
appearance OF an Arkansas cottoh.pi""Soi,
In his manner Mr. Froude Is gehial "
kindly A TRIBUNE reporter who called Oh nm
terday received pleasant welcome. ,ho
g object to interviews" said MI Frouue' ""oH "a
object Of the reporters visit was stated
40 often misrepresented in what he says or tries W
had a mite an experience that way in Melbourne n
representative OF The Argus called On me anu 'ou
an expression Of my views as !" 1T
matters and especially with reference " -
colony 1 told him L had only i0'0' 49,
arrived and that did not feel competent 10 uiSu =,
subjects he proposed Ho pressed me for such views -
ColonaI government as held and in walking about tho
gardens with him for an hour more / finally TAM
quite freely with him He put 1t all In print ihoH
Argus came In long editorial, calling IL al NV -
impudence for to attempt to lecture the Colo"S
affairs and attacking the views had Expressed "o''
wrote quite a sharp letter to the editor Po'nV
ing out the fact that my expressions Vi w.
ions were the wholly tho result OF MS Wv"
requests and that they had been given with uep00"
tory feeling that was not authority. the result wa"
that the entire over to my SIDE when NY io
ter was published and suppose The Argus Will oo ny
enemy for life" ,,.o
Nj
trust himself the mcrcies OF THE TRIBUNE
tive and, answering Inquiries. said
81 left England In December last, on trip ""'
taken wholly my own account, LOT NY No.
and pleasure. At the Cape OF Good HOPE "noio
stopped very brief period. went to see Tue o'"'
people learn going on have been IN s""'
country before as a missioner OF the Engh'h wv
eminent At the time Of my visit IN January we were
having trouble again with the Beers The Cape oil uoou
Hope belonged originally IN the Dutch II was Oh
over TO us by treaty, without consulting them' N"'
ally they did not like that kind Of treatment ana thoro
has been q Jealousy between the Dntch ana Engh'n
coopists ever since Three-hfths Of the whites
mt Cape Colony are Dutch ana Wo"'n'
English Then there the two States OF the TransVH
and the Orange Free State. which made independently
where the whites ~ cosplcoy Dutch. Tho Dhch arc
hard taskmasters the blacks They get INTO uouu
with them. and then we arc called on ~ interfere
between them Then the difficulty becomes serious
don't think we wholly understand the Dutch. ana tha'
we have trouble with them that account rather tnan
because Of the difficulties Of the situation. Ihey
are stiff and hard republicans They are also
stern old Calyinists But mt bottom
they are a very good people. They are lnhhs'
rious and hard woring. Indeed. they are about tue
only hard workers. | think we should cultivate De'"I
acouantance and good with them. Some ten
years ago they much angercd because we took tr
diamond fields from them was In Cape Colony at that
time and ur,el the British Government 10 make rest
tuition by indemuifylng the loss. That was done ana
trouble averted. while 1 at the Cape In January
new difficulties impending. ana force
Of truops about 10 be sout up against
the Beers. sir Charles Warren and 1900 men
were under orders to match 10 the frontier.
ofcoure am not apprised OF the result of that move
mrnt IL VIII, much asaint my JUDGMENT ana tho Prime
Minister ~ e colony told NE that he should do ali IA
h, ower To avert actual hOsttrS Our position nj the
Cape somewhat different rou mat III our ON coz"
mis- We have imperial responsibilities with when the
cannot Interfere. Inc IN
frarle4 relations with the Beers are - great ht
mo- fair uudrrsandg OF IL can given stranger In
Rbout Aus,ralia, Mr.. Fronde spoke Enthusiastically;
q" II IA "A most exceedingly thriving ana Ro-an"ad
plnce The country Immense IN area. With rapidly
groWing p"pulatnu' ahd - eHcspuonalJ PtIsPeIolN
What the future or Australia IL 10 be IL the prm We
are nh an Xious about. 1 spent twn months thrre In
England there exists great anxiety that the mother
country aud the Coionies shall come Into closer union
.nuething like your states here. IL II matter RbUnt
which have Individually felt much concern But the
learn about IT, the more Intricate AMI dhcult
perceive the problem Is
"Nnat are the main difficulties !"
"A question OF terms Is the hrst 20 be ralsed.
Shall the Colonies be REPRESENTED I'm the House.
40 C Sg there hrs icuiiies 81 that KIND Then
the management Of the affairs OF the colonies u
nov their own They naturally AYerse ID giving mp
the rights they u"w pos>"ss IN ms direction An com"
into AN Arrangement by which th"y wod rharr me ek
nrss and responsibilities Of the mother country They
want 80 know what reciprocity here Il In the proposed
onaher ,, ~ dis,dv,'asy. Of the Rnglish Government
conuecton are bound to protect them from all AZ
vres-ions from outside. They are bound 10 n"thinS
tensciy loyal to IT, British Government. The
Russian "A lar not under way when was IN Aus
tralia but the hghtng WIS In progress In me souihn
New South Wales was 80 eager IN ltS Loyalty tht Whr
Go5 men at their ajwn expense io1 Join the English
forces at suakim II We reunto any seriohs
iTonhle / think We shalt hnd Canada AMI
Australia quite willing N aid us both with men aud
means Yet they quite naturally siJ In tue CoDnirs;
why should share the responsibilities and burdens oi
war when g have voice In shaping the policy That
makes war or peace There Is nothing IN 'hH th1t
the natural inquiry. rhe Colonies are wholly and ab."-
lutey los al AMI will remain 50 ~ long As Downing
street does not interfere With their Internal ahr-. an
inclined 20 thnE. u the prospects OF union That we
must al ann along Ihl" coilnY P uiuo ~ CON,
cannot I've FASTENED much' but VIII come through ooH
What about Australian gold and wheatr
spent quite lttle time ia the gold fields Baarat,
the OF the gold discoveries has developed into one
of the beautiful cities OF the Notwithstanding III u
titled nelds that delight Ia the eye and must be
81 hap @Rrta the S table Of Midas lie waited
everything turned Into GOLD. They have turned gold
ma hng that heart could desire Tho wheat Of
Australia II e IA quality. but II not grown IN any great
quantity. India !. Engands wheat hrld. when qian.tV
s considered. Australia grows WOOL III great quintrH
II Is a great fruit garden never saw such rult as
What Is the principal topic of political or govern
mental discussion tn re J. . .
GcrInauy getting footbud In NewGunea- They want
Monroe doctrine applied 10 all thai part OF tue wOru
and the declaration made that All these Islands must
pass under ish protection. But they want England
to proclaim ana enforce IT, IheJ are not slOhB enough
10 do IL said to them that II wasn't Just
the thing for undertake such responsibility or
them while they were In position At any time 10 lake
of their and bid us morning and that II there
was n closer bond OF uDOn between the Colonies ana
England we might feel mere disposed 10 meet
their wishes. This all IN gmiable way
nor should It reflect at ali ON the present
bond Of relation. The Colonies are running along
smoothly aud Loyalty under tie present basis"
| believe You also visited New-ZealaudF
Yes and think Now-Zealand wil eventually DO the
finest and most prosperous OF all those Aus
tralia has little rain and crops often fail NewLealanu
has plenty Of rain and great rivers besides think
great race OF people will up there The present
population ia smali-haf million The Government. y
a pure democracy. There are few foreigners IN the
country Tho workingmen having all the power,
are opposed to Immigration, because they rear
that 10 may lower wages. They consequently
laws which keep mm grants out The ordinary
labOrers get 3 shngs day at Auckland for common
working The lands IN the hands Of speculative
cOupaues IN the same way this country, and the