Delaware gazette and state journal. (Wilmington, Del.) 1883-1902, 1885-10-29

Stanton. Under the law this vote, ipse
facto, reinatated Mr.. Stanton and removed
General Grant. Next morning Mr.. Stanton
appeared at the war office at an early hour
and on the arrival OF Gen. Grant informed
him OF the action OF the Senate and said
he was now again secretary Of war. Gen.
Grant retired and in "a few days occurred
the scene between Mr.. Johnson and Gen.
Grant In the executive mansion, and In the
presence OF all the cabinet except possibly
Mr.. Seward. In that interview II will be
remembered, Mr.. johnson stated to Gen.
Grant that he Grant adaecepted the port
folio OF the war department with the agree
ment that In case the Senate disagreed with
the action Of the President in removing Mr..
Stanton, he Grant would either hold the
Office and contest with Mi. Stanton tho con-
stitutlonality OF the tenure Of Office act or In
the event of his unwlllingness to do so he
would give timely notice thereof to the
President in order that the latter might sub
stitute the name OF some other person who
would contest the validity of the act In
question with Mr.. Stanton. Mr.. johnson
claimed that In his opinion the action was
unconstitutional, and declared that he was
led to believe that General Grant concurred
with him in such opinion. AS to what was
said aud done in that interview General
Grant and the President seriously differed,
and members of the cabinet who vera
present were called upon to snbsinntinta the
Presidents version. Up to that time mover
knew or heard OF any serious misunder-
standing between Grant and Johnson,a and
am satisfied that up TO that period General
Grant was opposed to any action looking to
the impeachment of Mr.. johnson. short
time after this difficulty, which, SO
far as could understand in
volved nothing but question
Of varnoity hetwaan tha narffaa I,ann attn 10
positively that General Grant became n
warm and jealous advocate OF impeachment
and continued so until the final vote on the
subject. speak only from memory MS TO
dates but the substantial facts are correct.
Governor Il. G. Ross of New Mexico, who
was then in the United States SENATE and
voted against the impeachment, in reply TO
n telegraphic inquiry says: "Gen. Grant
was understood to oppose the impeach-
ment OF Andrew johnson until near the be-
ginning Of his trial in tho Senate, but TO
have favored 1t during the trial."
Lyman Trumbull ex-senator from Illinois,
when approached on the subject last night
declined to discuss the matter and said he
knew nothing about Gen. Grants feelings
respecting the impeachment of johnson, ex-
cept whit was public record. He, however,
entirely discretlited the interview with Gen.
Grant as related by Mr.. Dopew.
ST.. LOUIS, Oct. 24.-The Globe Democrat
to-day contains a long Interview with Gen.
Sherman In regard To the Grant-J ohnsOn
matter. The general starts out by saying:
l do not wish TO say anything in regard to
this controversy now, but i have all the
documents pertaining to II In my possess
sion, and assure you It has not beon for
gotten. l think the papers are getting
badly mixed up over 1t, and the more testi-
mony given, the more confused II becomes"
attnlf Ia4ts N..Tl
and why he was sent to Mexico with Min
lister Campbell instead OF General Grant,
which is substantially the same as given In
the Associated Press dispatches from Phila-
delphia and which the general acknowl-
| edged TO be mainly correct. He then pro-
ceeds as follows: II never under
stood General Grant TO express any fear
| that Mr.. johnson contemplated any vio-
| lcnce. Mr.. johnson firmly believed TINT the
constitution and the laws then existing were
all sufficient for the reconstruction OF the
Southern States. Congress thought other
| wise, and In the quarrel between that body
and tho President Grant WIS in danger Of
being made scapegoat."
Gen. Sherman here produced large bun.
die of lettors from Con. Grant, and con.
i tinued: ''Thcse letters cover the period III
question. They are ali OF friendly and
confidential nature, but there is nothing In
them which would go to show thu
drnnt apprehended any national dan
ger. When Stanton was restored
to Office Mr.. johnson accused
Grant Of having surrendered his oflle,
without resistance. That was the cause o
the quarrel. II was fight between Prosi
dent and Congress and Gen. Grant was no
willing they should wage 1t over his shoul
ders, MIR. Stanton being backed by Congress
| Gen. Grant retired. Mr.. Johnson was hos
tile to Mr.. Stanton and he did not want hin
In the cabinet. Gen. Grant concluded that TIL
best way out OF the difficulty was to let thu
President, Congress and Mr.. Stanton ilgh
1t out among themselves. Think the paper
| are making too much of this controversy
1t Is simply an effort to rekindle the emher
of fro which has long since died out. / d
not believe Mr.. Chauncey Depew intende
to do more than to repeat from memory tn
! statement made by General Grant at til
} dinner table,. He is very honorable gen
tleman, but he no doubt thought there wa
; something In this matter. But there wa
, nothing more in -sseir. johnson
attitude. tlitih ordinary political di
erenses which will oxist betwee
>tnen OF different parties. 1 repet
again that there was no violence intended
Everybody was sick and tired of wal
Nobody thought of fighting except o
paper. After Mr.. Stanton was removed
wanted President johnson to nominal
General Jacob d. Cox as Secretary Of Wa
and his confirmation by the Senate woul
have settled the whole controversy"
Mr.. Reverdy Johnson conceded with m
in this particular but President Johnso
would fight IL out in his own way.