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Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16
OPENING AND CLOSING OF THE MAILS.

Northern mails close at 7:30 and $50 q. m
1890, $50 and 500 p. m. Open at $50 a. M,
1900 IN. and $50 p. N.
Southern msils via Richmond Va, close at 5:45
and HOO a. m, 4:3G and 800 p. m. Open at
$50 and 1920 q.
Southwestern via Charlottesville, Va, close at
100 and lilo a. m. and 6:20 p. In. Open at
$50 a. IN and 200 M.
Western mails close at 4:30 and 500 p. m.
Open at $50 a. m, 1900 IN. and $50 p m.
Washington, D. c., mails close at 1870 and $50
g. a.dn iH;'o 800 o'': 400 a1a and open O.
Alexandria to Round Hill mails close at S:35 a..
n. Open at 7:30 p. m.
Manassas Division mails close at 450 p. m.
Open at $40 a. m.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16
Destination.

ROCHESTER, N. Y, Sept. 16.-The Post
Express today publishes the following let
ter to the Secretary of State
I am fully determined to accept any other
place on the ticket except that for the Office
of Chief Magistrate, and for which I have
been so prominently mentioned. This is to
be taken as positive and emphatic. Primari-
ly am for the republican party, and pro-
pose to give my hearty support to its nomi-
nee after the convention. Jos. B. CARR.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16
Jumbo Killed.

ST. THOMAS, Ont, Sept. 16.--Jumbo, the
$500, 900 elephant, was killed on the Grand
Trunk Air Line track, half a mile east of
here, last night. His keeper was leading
him along the track, when freight train
camo up behind unnoticed and ran him
down. He was injured so badly that he
died in thirty minutes. The trick elephant,
Tom Thumb was also injured, his leg being
brot
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16

GENERAL MAHoNE, in his attempt TO in
flame the North to another war upon the
South, to secure the expression of what he
calls the suppressed" negro vote of the lat
ter section, renders himself supremely ridlc-
ulous in the eyes of every man at all in
formed about the political affairs OF this
country for all such know that the ratio OF
increase in the negro republican vote of the
South from 1880 to 1884 was much greater
than that of the white republican vote OF
the North So that if there be suppressed
negro republican vote in the South, the sup.
preston of the white republican vote Of the
North must be carried to q greater extent
But, as often before said, what tho Malone.
ties say makes no difference to themselves
nor to any body else.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16
ALEXANDRIA, VA
WEDNESDAY EVENING, SEPTEMBER 10.
MAJOR JOHN W. DANIEL spoke to large
o,a;.nce at the Opera House last nlght,

Major JOHN W. DANIEL spoke to large
audience at the Opera House last n'gh''
many ladies gracing the occasion with thelf
nrsssnce The speech was powerful ar
raignment of Malone, his methods and MS
candidates. and was listened to with pro,
f,und attention. The frequent bursts OF
orator. INDUCED in by the speaker enchant-
ed his hearers, and his peroration was one
OF the finest ever heard on the musings
here. 1t is useless to say that the speech
made q lasting impression and that the gooa
seed sown will produce an abundant harvest
Major Daniel was followed by Hon. Ben,
ton McN1i}lin, Member of Congress from
Tennessee, in coed, old fashioned demo
cratic speech, full of vim and well ealeu-
lated 70 encourage and enthuse his audi
ence. as it did.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16
ADVICE TO MOTHERS.

Mrs. WINsLow's SOOTHING SYRUP, for chill
dren teething, is the prescription of one of tho
best femsle nurses and physicians in the United
States, and has been used for forty years with
never failing Success by millions of mothers for
their children. During the process Of teething
its value is incalculeble 1t relieves the child
from pain, cures dysentery aud diarrhpa, gripping
in the bowels, Saa wnd-colic. By giving health
to the childit resss the mother Price % cents
bottle. my5-1yrM.W&S
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16

Rev. DR.: Thomas Daugherty, prominent
minister OF the Methodist Episcopal Church,
and pastor of tho Hanover Street, NJ. E.
Church, Baltimore, died about clock yes
terday morning at the parsonage of the
church. after an illuess of about ten days, of
typhoid malaria, He was So years old, and
leaves wife, son and four grown daugh-
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16

No MAN in a free country is afraid to
speak the truth. And yet Mr.. Wise, in his
speeches in the neighborhood of Danville,
never even alluded to the "Danville massa-
cre", about which he makes such incessant
ado in all the other parts Of the State, where
the truth Of that affair is not so well known.
Mr.. Wise is adding to his reputation by his
present campaign-but not in way that
would be agreeable to most right-thinking
na0nle 49,
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16

ACCORDING TO Mr. Wise the democratic
party of Virginia is composed of organized
'murderers aud sssassins." If that be so
Mr.. Wise will discover next November that
nine .tenths of the white people of his State
are murderers and asssssins. But it is
shrewdly suspected that Mr.. Wise already
knows how it is going to be, as it is rumored
that he intends leaving Richmond and go.
ing to Washington to live for no reputable
man would live among murderers and as
sassins il be could possibly live elsewhere.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16

A land expert at Rome. Ga, received an
order lew days ago for 100000 to 5OOO 900
acres of desirable farm land, in solid block,
to be interspersed with timber, but not ali
forest. These lands are for emigration pur-
poses, and the order came from party hay
ing London connection.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16
Killed his Wife and Attempted Suicide.

COLUMBUS Ohio, Sept 1G.-At an early hour
this morning Thomas Hyland, a policeman of
north Columbus, shot and instantly killed his
wife and then shot himself in the left breast He
will die. Jealousy is supposed to be the cause.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16

The early bird catches the bronchitis, and
lovers of early morning walks will find this
q true maxim. If we were permitted to
make suggestion, we should whisper:
Use Dr.. Bulls Cough Syrup"
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16

CoLoRED PEOPLE are proverblaily SLOW "
learn but that the scales are at last falling
from the eyes of some of them, at least, IS
proved by the fact of speech made by one
of them at a recent meeting in GreensVille
county, which is reported as follows in the
Richmond Dispatch:
One of tho colored speakers said ispeopio were
like owls-whcn one hooted they all hooted: that
thew had been hooting for the radicals for sixteen
or seventeen years; that they were now tired OF
it and intended to hoot for the democrats, VINO
they had at last found out were their real TRENDS
He also said he thanked God that he had been
slave, for if his race had not been made slaves OF
and brought to this country Of Christianity ana
civilization they would have all been in Africa
to-day, climbing trees like two-legFed monkeys
gathering cocoanuts; that the radical party had
deceived them until they could deceive them no
more, and that they were going hereafter with
the democrats who fed and clothed them ana
were their real friends.
The wisdom of this speech could nothave
been increased by the wisest amongst the
speakers white brothers. The welfare ana
happiness of the colored race in this country
depend upon the number Of them who may
be as wise as the one referred to.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16
ADpointments.

WAsuISGToN, Sept 16.--R. A. Vancleane, of
Mississippi and A. L. Duncan, Of Pennsylvania
have been appointed special agents in the Land
Office.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16

GENERAL LOGAN, not to let Mr.. Blaine
get ahead Of him. has also written book.
The title of this production is, 1.-THE Great
Conspiracy it's History and Origin" In 1t
the General takes the ground that the civil
war in this country was the result of de-
liberately concoctea and diligently pursued
conspiracy that had its origin as far back as
the Revolutionary war. And yet, knowing
all this, the General not only made speeches
expressing his pride at being slave catch
er, and saying the Yankees would have to
pass over his dead body on their way to the
South, but, according to the testimony OF men
whose words were deemed as good as bonds,
was actually engaged in recruiting troops
for the Confederate cause when the promise
of colonels commission in the federal ar
my was sufficient to buy him. But the
General can't help being cheap.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16

There has been no change in the Flour markets
for several days past Wheat is quiet but steady,
with light receipts and faily active demand for
spot and early delivery, whilo futures are without
material change. There is a better demand for
primo seed Wheat from limestone sections than
for some years, which is good indication that
the farmers arc paying moro attention to the
selection of seed this season. We quote Fultz Mt
from 81 to % for fair to prime; mixed, SS to 95:
lanes tor, 90 to 81, and damaged and common
lots of either grade as to condition, Is to 50.
Corn Rye and Oats arc firm and steady. Pro
ducc is more active and prices are higher.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16

Cholera is subsiding in Europe, but there
has been violent outbreak of the disease
in Japan.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16

| The market this week was poorly supplied with
| Cattle in consequence of tho late arrival of tho
trains; the demand is very light, and prices arc
about as last week. Calves in fair demand at
quotations. Sheep rnd Lambs dull, with few sales
to note. Hogs are in fair inquiry and prices arc
fraction higher. Cows and Calves in fair de-
mand.
| BALTIMORE, Sept. 16.-Va Gs consolidated
AZ; past due coupons SO; new 10 40s 30 y new
IS 59as. Cotton dull; mddlng 0a4a97s. Flour
Western super So O0s3 10; do extra 3 50a4 10;
do. family 25a5 90; city mills SUPERB OOa3 p;
do. extra 5Oa3 rs; do. Red brands 4 75 Pa
tapsco family S so; do. superlative patent 10
Wheat-Southern firm and active; Western easier
and dull Southern red 9oa93 amber 05s97;
No 1 Maryland 02la bid. No 2Wcstcrn winter
| red spot Sass. October SS4,aS9ls. Novem-
Der 911sa917s December 94Eia94@.. Corn
Southern nominally steady: Western steady aOd
| moro active; Southern white 54a55; do yellow
| 521ba53: Western mixed spot 4Sa4SHs Septcm-
Der 49a49A October 47a. a4SA year 41sie447s
Oats steady and firm; Southern and Penn 29a33
Western white 3Oa32: do mixed 27a29. Rye
firm at 61aG3. Hay dull prime to choice west
| ern $12 OOa13 90. Provisions steady and quiet.
Mess Pork $40 rs. Bulk meats, shoulders, and
51a clear rib sides 7aai; hams ~ iha12"i. Lard
refined ia. Butter steady Western packed
11a14; creamery 1921. Eggs firm 1Sl2s19.
Coffee quiet Rio cargoes, ordinary to fair, 715aS'-
Sugar firm "A soft 7. Whiskey quiet, 81 1Gal II.
NEW YORK, Sept 1G.-Stocks fairly activcand
steady. Money easy at I. Cotton stcsdy; up
ands 10 Jig. Orleans 10 3-16; futures, dull.
Flour quiet and steady. Wheat 1aa1s lover.
Corn 1ssA lower. Pork steady at $40 OUalO -.
Lard steady at Sc 40.
CHICAGO, Sept. 16.-11:l5 q. m.-Whcat opened
weaker this morning on local selling. although tho
cable indicated frmer foreign markets. Novcm
Der opened at S3A, sold off to S2si, rallied TO
83A y. and is now quoted at that figure. Corn and
Oats are unchanged Pork and Lard unchanged.
GEORGETOWN CATTLE MARKET Sept. ID At
Drovers' Rest this week 60 Cattle sold at 3a51s
cents per ID. Some TOO Sheep ard Lambs were
offered with sales of Sheep at 2hq3 y, cents, and
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1885-09-16

GEORGETOWN CATTLE MARKET Sept. 15.-At
Drovers' Rest this week 60 Cattle sold at 3a51s
cents per h. Some TOO Sheep ard Lambs were
offered, with sales of Sheep at 2laa3i5 cents, and
Lambs 31aa5la cts per lb, Some few Cows and
Calve, sold at S25a5O perhead.
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01
1 .N1RIKLYG coNrR1Nr.

While the South is full OF expressions
of sympathy and love for the dead Gen.
Grant, forgctful of the past and over
lowing with good will toward the North,
Il post of the G, \. Il. OF Philadelphia Is
passing the following resolution;
Resolved, that this posi- is in hearty accord
with George G., Meade Post No. /, of this de
partmcnt, In the condemnation OF the act OF
Col. ". W. H. Davis, pension agent, In ap,
pointing To- responsible position in his once
the man Barbiorci that 1t is an insult TO loyal
PHILADELPHIA and her great body of soldiers
aud sailors and humlllatlng TO the widows and
orphans of our late comrades who are com.
PEELED TO receive Of the government bounty
through one whose hands are dyed with the
blood Of their husbands and fathers aud whose
acceptance OF the Office has betrayed the ali.
srncc OF that sense of honor and dcccncy
which i always associated with the profes ion
OF arms,
The occasion for this emission of hate
was the appointment by Col. Davis OF
Col. Joe Barblcrc, an eN.Confedcrate, as
one of his deputies
We have no comment TO pass upon this.
The men of the South can stand such
STUFF, for It probably proceeds from per-
sons who are too Insignificant and worth
less to enter into controversy with, TIM
GAlgrrE prints the resolution merely 10
show its readers that there Is still in the
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01
Stop the Racket.
Clcburuc Telegram,

lcbuFuV NtifHIulhs
The capitol question Is settled ON a
granite basis, and II would do very well
To stop the Newspaper controversy over
IL. II is dead issue History will re-
cord the facts in the case n follows:
ON the question, ''slIall the capitol be
built OF Indians limestone or vastly in
ferior article of Texas limestone" Tenn
pcton, Walsh and Swain voted for the
better stone, while Ireland and Lubbock
voted for the inferior stone on the ground
OF estate pride aud sentiment" Then
The contractor refused to accept Indiana
limestone, and ON the other question,
"shall the capitol be built of Texas gran
tie or Texas limestone" Templeton,
Walsh and Swain voted promptly for
granite, while ireland desired TO postpone
action and see II Texas limestone could
not he obtained Of n better quality than
what had been yet discovered Lub-
book voted against granite altogether
Ireland, not desiring TO push the hunt for
more limestone, finally came over to the
granite side. This is the record in the
case, and some men who seem DESTROYS OF
making II political issue had better 20
SLOW. Tcnplcton, Walsh and Swain can
well afford to- stand by the record
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01
HOUSTON SrREEr OpEyING.

The resident and property owners on
Houston street have brought matters to
crisis and propose to see ii they cannot
get relief from the disadvantages imposed
upon them by the closing of their street
across the railroad reservation. Undoubt-
eddy the Houston street people have u
strong case. They bought property there
when there was no obstruction and when
that thoroughfarc was fouriShing, The
closing of that street, without legal right
to do SO, has, SO they claim, diverted
travel aud trade to Main street, aud the
loss of trade has impaired tho value of
their property and their business.
| has been proposed by way of com
promise to open an extension of llouS-
ton street IN straight line with its direc-
ton from the courthouse, which, on nc.
count of the southwardly turn taken by
Main street at the depot, would cause
Houston TO iuterscct II about halfway
across the railroad reservation. This
will he satisfactory To the Houston street
men, and the railway company, seeing
that they have Illegally ohstructed that
street, certainly are not in position to OPP.
pose the demand.
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01

Mr.. CIR OF Grconyillc is n very unjust
man, TmE GNzErrE has never said Il
word in detraction of the meeting In
tirecn,llc on the 9th proX.; it has never
suppressed "A word received in mention
of that meeting, and it reprinted by re-
quest the list OF commands that are TO re-
unite at Grccnyillc. 1t never occurred
to Tmr GNZTrrE that there was any an
ngonism between the two meetings, and
TIM G.WEfrE is the lasLpaper in Texas
to bc guilty Of the conduct attributed by
Mr.. Gcn
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01

MEssRs. \. ). BANCRoFT 4 Co. of san
francisco have just issued the second
volume Of their history of California, and
it is sufficient commentator to say that
this volume Is fully the equal OF those
that preceded il from this house. Their
history of California is but one OF the Sc
rics of state histories being compiled by
Mr., Hubert Bancroft from u mass of his
torical and biographical material in his
possession, and is SO complete in its de-
tails and comprehensive 10 information
relating to Tint state that il would bc
difficult to point out huu 4 one were
disposed u iaulthndmg Such history
OF FcNas wlil soon he Issued hY Mcssrs.
Bancroft q Cos and il will be looked for
ward 10 wlyh anxious expectation by
those who have icit the want OF a re-
liable mud minute history of this state,
30 STATE iu the t'uiou J. yorich az ours In
material Tor the historian, and few have
been so neglected by that class.
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01

4 COMMITTEE of the Grand Army Of the
Republic have been making themselves
conspicuous in Washington by calling on
the president and heads of departments
and requesting them to give preference to
excl nion soldiers in making appoint
mcni, Blunt old Gen Rosecuns gave
them back-sct by telling them that when
he did appoint an eN-Union soldier he
would take cire il Mns Democrat.
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01

TuE Nashville american advocates the
policy OF winning the negroes over to
democracy by giving them important of
fees. Nobody objects to the negro as a
Democratic votcr,aud his reward should be
measured according to his works, but any
effort to >atiatc his ambition and purchase
his support would be craven in party
that has existed without him in the past
and can get along very well without him
in the future.
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01
THE H0TTESr pilCEIv rENIS.

THE hottest PI1CE ~ TEI1S.
The hottest place in all Texas Is about
thiriy-thrcc miles east OF Fort Worth on
the Texas & Pacific railroad That Is
where the city Of Dallas * built. This Is
not san ill-natured Fort Worth SUR" 1t
IS the truth--nut the cold truth by any
means, hui still the truth. The official
report Of the weather bureau Is the evi.
dcncc we introduce 10 prove the assertion
Look over the weather tables for the past
week and see the tigures. This is what
they show--comparing Dallas with the
next hottest place IN the state:
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01

ANoNG the gentlemen over whom
gubcrnatorial lightning is lowering in
New York we notice Hon. Roswell =.
Flower. philanthropst and politician. As
the first to uncarth his $1,000 donation
in the Virginia campaign, which resulted
IN the overthrow of Mahone, TltE GA
lErrr feels called upon to say that Ros-
wells Democracy is a. sound as the
Bland dollar
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01

On Friday, when the thermometer went
mp to l03 In Dallas its highest range at
Fort Worth was " , showing Fort Worth
to have been cooler by n.
THE GAzErrE does not print these facts
with any feeling of exultatiou Though
Dallas Is in many respects rival of Fort
Worth, she can never hope 10 compete
with this city as an attractive summer re-
sort. The conditions are not present.
Instead of commanding site ON bold
blum, catching every breath Of the cool
gulf breeze, Dallas i set down in the sandy
bottom of the Trinity, where no zephyr
pcnctratcs and the radiation of heat from
the sandy streets makes the place feel
like very Tophet. When To this source
of misery Is added the ahominabc water
supplied for drinking, one cannot hut adj
miro the fortitude of the people vino
make their homes in Dallas. while one
cannot help hut pity their folly in remain
ing in such Il place when Fort Worth is
so near to afford relief.
Such extreme heat and the lack of
drinking water are not looked upon as
unmiScd eytk by the people who endure
them, for they think, wtth good deal of
practical wisdom, that wha, theS suffer
now more thoroughly acclimatizc> them
to the conditions of existence which they
expect to meet with hereafter.
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01
ROOMS FOn RENT.

I'OR RENT-N neatly furnished, large
i front room, with southern exposure, SO
West Third street. Mrs. Ambrose.
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01
Saw Through the Stone.
R0ckdnlN Mossengrr.

Aud So the state-housc Is To be built
out of granite after all, and by the origi-
nal contractors. Swain, Walsh and Tenn
pleton gave them no chance to escape and
they finally got down to brass tacks. We
can now say that We have three state ofli-
GERS, at least, who can see as far through
stone wall as the sharpcst oi the Chi
cage syndicaters llurrah for Swain,
Walsh and TomplcIon,
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01

Is ruE hast campaign Mr.. Gibbs de-
clarcd virtually that leasing prevented
settlement and proposed TO reserve
enough school lands from lease to satisfy
the demands Of settlement. Those who
call on Barney for a yindication of the
lease law may get more truth than
they want.
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01

We u,NE Il problem for the leasc-law
people and premium awaits its solution,
It The millionaire keeps the actual settler
of public lands, free and unienccd, how
Is The settler TO make Roadway against
the hullionaire, the barbed-wirc fence
and the authority OF the statc2
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01

We nan thought that ''tuncml obsc.
Qulc>" long ago joined hands with "full
complement" and went into compulsory
exile from newspaper Offices, but here we
are greeted with its old familiar face in
lhc headlines of the Dallas Herald.
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01

rur Philadelphia Press notes rs dis
tnction between Mosby and IongStrcet
and other eN-Confedcratcs that the
former accepted the results of the war,
BENEDICT Arnold accepted what he he
lie,cd to be an unavoidable result of the
rcN olutionury war.
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01

WuEN Minister Phelps remarked at a
recent banquet "Queen Victoria Is our
queen as well as yours" he evidently
went two or three degrees beyond IN
-tructlons But then It is possible that
moonshine whisky may be Just as popular
In England as In this country.
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01

APENNsYLyANIA farmer called ON the
president the other day, bringing with
mo fifteen sons, all of whom voted with
niui tor the Democratic ticket, Asa pa
iroi who has done his duty nobly that
cd gentleman deserves encouragement,
20 u lkes good tat oficc to give H.
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01
Our New Dress.
nenison IIoraId NrM,

The new dress of the Fort Worth GA
lErrf gives natty appearance to this
well-knoWn Journal. II il much improved
otherwise Ia appearance, and commends
Itself To its large circle OF readers ioi'its
ENTERPRISE.
Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-08-01

Mu"NE and Rlddlcbcrger were very
amiablc toward each other during the
recent Virginia convention, but II they
were to sit down TO IA game OF poker,
seven or eight aces would turn up us sure
as fntr