Fort Worth daily gazette. (Fort Worth, Tex.) 1882-1891, 1885-09-14
A Talk With the Apparent 0upe in the
Noted Brazilian Counterfeits
ing Case.
Lucien white Says He is a Native Of
Texas, With Wife and Family
Living ut whitney.
lie Admits TINT witlcr's Testimony is all
True hut Denies TINT He win
Turn States Evidence.
special to the Gazette.


chausens among your tribe, the st. Louis
reporters for example. One fellow there
wrote up long interview with me and
hadn't said a word TO him" This was
the greeting Lucien 4. White, OF Brazil
ian counterfeitlng fame, gave THE GA
zETrg correspondent this afternoon.
White had arrived at noon In charge OF
City Jailer Segmund Of st. Louis, al
though deputy United States marshal
was along to keep an eye on the prisoner.
He was driven Immediately TO the Waco
jail and stood behind the bars as he
talked TO your correspondent.
a pleasant-faced man is White, and his
language eyinces intelligence and educa-
tion. lie speaks with ease aud grace. He
looked wenricd and travel-stalned as the
effect of his journey from st. Lonis, but
talked pleasantly. In another part
of the JAIL not ten feet distant, was
his brother, Joseph White, but the two
could not see each other Lucien White
Is thirty two years of age-twenty years
the Junior OF his brother Joseph. He
says he was born and raised In Waller
county, Texas; until fourteen wears old,
when he sailed with his brotherJoseph for
Brazil. There he lived for eighteen wears
and until one year ago There he met and
married his wife, Floridian by birth,
whose parents had emigrated to Don Pc
dro's empire There the three little
children were born who call him father.
The mans eyes moistcncd as he spoke of
his wife and children.
lie said; "Bcforc leaving St Louis
/ tclcgraphed my wife, who lives near
whitney, | would be in Waco Sunday. |
am expecting her with Impotence, Tor
know she will come. could not bear to
90 back TO st. Louis without seeing her
1 | think they will start me back tomorrow
evening II my testimony is concluded BY
that time"
Aud then he spoke of the great ease
the scheme to put out so much spurious
money upon the unsupported liraziIians
eyes, | read Mr. Witler's testimony, as
he delivered IL in Waco yesterday, in
The GAZETTE this morning. 1t is cor
rect. ! did all the contracting for the
labels aud was the only one hc knew in
the contract. There were Others You
ASK Well, of course, who they were
will come out IN due time. What they
proposed doing with the labels can't
say | supposed they were going to be
put on cigar boxes, and the cigars to be
sold in Brazil.
eyes, they do look somewhat like the
mllrcis of Brazil, but to say that they are
an accurate depletion is not true. ANY
/ Intelligent Brazilian would detect the
/ fraud If 1t were attempted to pass one of
these labels upon them as genuine
milrcis note, And the man (Brazilian)
so stupid rs not to be able TO detect 1t
would hardly be man who could trade
to the amount of 200 milrcis, and The la
bells are all of that denomination.
/ GLOW do you think you will come
QUIT" asked the reporter.
White hcsitatcd n moment, and said
81 believe | Will be convicted and I'M
| prlsoncd. II Is IL mistake that have
been promised immunity to tell what
I know about this thing. | have already
told United States Attorney Bliss, at st.
/ Louis, all | know. | will tell here to-
I morrow all | know But Bliss didn't
| promise me immunity, and nobody
here can promise it, as / will be
4 tried at st. Louis, on November TO, before
Judge Treat. shall no doubt be con-
( yicted.
81 can't say that ! will plead guilty.
( That depends on the wording of the in
/ dictment the grand jury may find against
me- Under certain circumstances, though,
] lc0hid plead guilty-not that an guilty,
mind You; don't admit that. But as
things look ! couldn't hope to convince
Judge or jury of my Innocence
land SO YOU have heard | will turn
states evidence to get my liberty and
leave the others in the lurch? Understand
tilnt when man turns states evidence il
Is on II promise of immunity for himself
from punishment. And haven't | told
you haven't been promised ANYTHING? Ii
is true MIR, Bliss at st. Louis told me il
would be better to tell him all knew,
that my punishment would thereby proba-
bly, be lighter, but he never once told me
that 1t | would give away the gang and
help come at them should 90 free. No:
4 expect to be punished II anybody is pun
ished. shall tell all know and take
the chances
To another question he answered :
"Wcll, read In st. Louis paper that |
was AT outs with my brother Joseph and
ready to Igive him away Iprefer not TO
talk about my brother, II may he true
we have had our quarrels We have had
them all through life. But stln he is my
brother and you know blood Is thicker
than water The upshot of the whole
/ AAihN ~ I HuNt utcu leu INTO bad Don,
and must stay there, did all the CON
tracing, ! was kept IN the front all the
time, and here | am, Tomorrow, and
not till then, can | talk any more about
this, save say that Writer'S testimony.
published In TnE GAZETTE this morning.
Is correct. And don't be too certain
have come here TO give ANYBODY away"
and thus ended the Interview.
White lisa very superior man, as 10 lam
/ guage and manners, to his brother
/ Joseph. The latter sits in his cell as
dumb as an oyster. Lucion White will
testify tomorrow before United States
! Commissioner Finks and then be returned
4 to IT, Louis, Despite his assertions to
the contrary il is believed he will give
The whole thing away, In hopes of getting
clear himself lie is young vet, has a
wife and three little children, and liberty
would he sweet to him. 1t is possible.
though, that the government has testi
mony enough to convict the gang without
his help.
stabbed by u Peanut Man.
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