New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1885-04-29
THE PREMIER ON THE CREDIT.
HIS SPEECH IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS.

rxrf.IS1yG THE DIFF .GHSCEs BETWEEN EN"LAN'
AXD RUSSIA.
LONDON, April 28.-The House OF Commons ="
Monday evening had gone into COMMITTEE" Vi H
pIy after having at the Prime Minister Iod~c 10
rejected. by vote of 229 to 1856 the ino'io" nSit
Inv the Opposition 10 separate the Noto - - ~
This motion called for division iiV' an
credit for the expenses of the oouu'" - a.
and another for the speclai ,Uoo "a
.,rtv The object of this motion plainly was "
'oa'' 5shote on the Governments Soudah
80, NV questioning the outlay OF that part vi
p o,od;t which would by its division have peeh
o,nlcable TO the expenses OF the khartoum eA-
raJ,t,on. In the Committee OF Supply, inc vote VI
credit as a whole beng up, MI Glaus'ono pto-
coded TO explain the Governments ooJec' III a'A'
IN, for II He disposed of any probable 'iiscussiou
a., sor,aon question nv n short and power tul ar
,,,mont In this he urged that 1T was now 'n0
paramount duty of the Government 10 noiu no
Rr,,;sb forces in the Soudan available Tor service
wherever the call of duty and honor may take .noI
in the service of the British Empire" lhiS u'''-
ance was received with cheers.
Mr.. Gladstone continued as follows:
come 10 the subject OF the special preparations
,",ra 20 which Ihave heard with great satsfac
W ~ o.rrances OF the honorable gentlemen oPpo'eu
=. ,ho Government that they disposed 10 lor ". "
every way the grant Of funds to us cheers iroN ~,
oos,tion benchesl, which, to the best OF oui NJ, ~
judgement are required for the maintenance VI ,I
a former OCCASION described as natiohal anu - o,
,ol,cv fCheers.1 Certainly an adequate sen'0 % -
Po09. ., or Indian Empire has never yet been e2-
,,v,v claimed by any party in the STATE III my
oninion he would be guilty OF moral oiehce anu $40
potca folly who should endeavor 10 claim vi oen'
Of his own party any superiority in that respect o'o
those who are habitually opposed to him. lCres VI
ie an
oro engaged ICheersl In respect to this vote nave
hoard that there are comments upon its smaness; pu
It Is the largest vote Of credit which has been asked LOT
within the last seventy years. except that In the ue Oh
the Crmean War. ,,..,
larger than IL looks though II is stated al SooooVo
in the first place. 1t is contemporaneous with largo "
crease of the charge the annual estimates Tor the
Army and Navy In the second place, IL Is possloe
will receive considerable addition from the other orancn
NJ the vote namely, the sf5000O0 which we put do"h
"a ukev 20 he spent in the soudan; and in the third
plaee-and more important than either OF these wv
itemsit must DO borne in mind that this case IS pr
n,arv an Indian case; OF military preparation
Those who might want to know what's the total amount
Of the charge going forward as likely 10 DC ehtae"
by the present preparations would require 10 Know
what we ourselves do not yet know namely; WhaI VIII
be the cost of vigorous and effective measures WHICH, Us
we hone and believe being taken in India to meet It's
share of the present obligations Cheers demand Tor
information is always plausible demand, often rea'
sonabe demand never demand to be treated with any
,hnp Int respect Let us consider what is the present
position, and what is the mode OF eohuuo'
OF the Government adapted to that position
PEACE PREFERRED, BUT WAR If NECESSARY
Ills NOT n ease of war There is war before us,
actual; Or may oven perhaps say pro observation-disclosures
an, slow to deal with epithets which are, OF course
liable TO some latitude OF Interpretation am not called
upon to deine-and would find great difficulty IN de-
filming since it does not stand upon any choice OF mine
or Of my coleagues-the degree Of danger that may be
before us We have labored and continue to labor
for an honorable settlement by pacific means lCheers
But one thing will venture to say with regard 10 tha
sad contingency an outbreak OF war rupture OF rela
tons between two great Powers like Russia ana Eng
land-one thing will say with great strength OF cohVlc
ton and great earnestness in my endeavor 10 I'M
uress il upon the Committee: That we Will
strive TO conduct ourselves to the end OF TINS
dinlomatfc controversy in such way as that
~ unhappily it is to end IN Vloience
or rpure we may least be able TO challenge the YER
dict OF civilized mankind, upon review OF lhe CORE
spondence upon review Of the demands and refusais
q, cav bether We have or whether not done all
that men could do by every just and honorable effort to
nravent the pungng OF two such countries with all the
millions that own their into bloodshed ana stre
loud cheers
In my opinion the question before the Committee at
this moment is a simple and very narrow one; what We
there not any case preparatiOni Cheers LOOK at
the facts before Try them by that test and no other
Do not urge your fOregOne conclusions TO the MS
conduct of Russia any DO not enter into the
judicial part OF the only but also into that part OF
it which is prudential Upon that aspect of the case
and that aoneasng for credit to the future and
NO acqual the past-we say 1t is case Tor pre-
paratioD. tCheers.I
The facts within your knowledge are enough to make
1t your bounden duty to prepare. Therefore am
asked for more information. answer is this; 1t is
impossbe for us 10 give you full information. We could
not at this moment open the correspondence at mas
been going We could not lay before you unsfted IN
formation and rumors that have reached u.s. We could
not enable you 10y any possibility to judge OF question
that has net yet reached "a state OF maturity Tor
Judgment The evidence Is not complete. The develop
ment rs simply going forward DO not let us too san
'guiney point to a favorable issue Do not let us
despair that reason and justice may both sides pre-
vail ever narrower and unworthy feelings.
lCheers.1 We cannot give you all the infor-
nation possess. II we did give it, 1t wsuld
not place you in position Tor con-
elusive Judgment Were 10 give part we should
fnfallibly mislsad you, and therefore, stand
simply upon what Is patent and notorious and say that
there is in those patent and notorious facs-with which
the whole world is acquainted-cause, and abundant
cause for preparations. [" Hear! Hear"
so Sinking AN OBLIGATION OF HONOR.
Shall now, IN very few words sketch rapidly and
slightly the outlines OF those patent anu NOTORIOUS laetsi
The starting point Of movement In this case is our
obligation OF honor the Amer who stands between
and any other consideration Of policy But our obliga-
tons to him arc not absolute. We arc not obged-God
forbid We should be obi ged Ito defend him. or
anybody else we're he mised into course Of tyranny
against the just resentment Of his subjects We are not
bound to sustain him any of evil but we have
contingent obligation to give him aid and support
and think every who hears will say that that
obligation should be fulfilled in no stinted manner
"Hearw Hear !lif IL really be living obligation.
contingent only upon this condition, that
his conduct is such that we can honestly
approve it, That the present condition Of affairs
IN connection with the Ameer Of Afghanistan.
Ihave stated dstinctyto the House that there have
been full communications between him and the VcerOy