The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1885-05-07
FAITH CURES.
An Examination of Protestant Miracle
Prayer in the Case of General Grant.
New York Sun. Tuesday.

Prayer in the Case of General Grant.
New York Sun. Tuesday.
The Baptist ministers discussed faith cures
three weeks ago, and Yesterday they used up two
hours debating the subject again at Murray
street Many ladies were present The Rev.
George w. Folwell said he believed that God
answers prayer, and that He will cure the sick if
prayer is offered with faith combined with per-
feet reliance on His will.
Prof. Norman Fox said that while many re-
markable cures have been wrought in answer to
prayer. vet he could not forget that equally re-
narkable cures had been wrought at the grotto
of Lourdes and at Knock Chapel as well as by
Mormon elders and by spirit mediums, all of
which cures he repudiated The prayer of faith
is THY will be done" but the trouble with the
people in the prayer-cure institutions, and who
want US to believe in their special gifts, is that
they demand not SO much faith in God as faith
in the assurance of healing.
The Rev II. w. Hartley said that he had not
the desired reputation OF hereto. He supposed
he had not been in New York long enough
laughter, but to him the ''Thy will be done"
prayer bordered too much on fatalsm. Ii human
prayer does not affect God, then what the
use of prayingl If he believed that God had an
unalterable line Of action laid down, he would
never pray again. He had lived among Nor
mons, and he had never seen aninstance of cure.
He had seen elders swelter the sick in grease and
the sick died.
The Rev. Mr. Higgins of Staten Island said
dying in Tottenville, and was impressed that she
would be restored to health She was.
Moderator j. i. Hughes of Greenpoint doubted
whether any encouragement should be given to
modern faith cure. 1t is leading many to
fanaticism and is often presumptuous, and
trifles with the word of God If the Holy Ghost
is blessing these people in response to the word
of God, then they ought to be capable of rightly
interpreting the Bible, and they are often at
fault in that respect. A young lady in the
moderator's church went to the Greenvile faith
cure institution fully expecting to be healed, fell
in with all the conditions imposed by them, and
when she renamed an Invalid she was told that
she was very wicked woman, and that for her
want of faith God would bring His judgment on
her.
II did believe that they could cure me-" she
said, sobbing. to Mr.. Hughes, land now it does
seem from what they tell me that am not n
child Of God" "She was good woman" he ad-
died. but she was for long time kept in the be-
lief that she was not Christian"
The Rev. H. Is. Montgomery, Of Brooklyn, said
that faith-cure institution had been built up
near him. In the Brooklyn newspapers it adver-
tised wonderful cures, but if other faith cures
wero no better than that, then he believed that
the old-fashioned prayer 'Thy will be done" was
the better A sick woman sent away from her.
bedside one of the best physicians in BROOKLYN.
and trusted TO the faith-cure people She died
three days afterward. A man said he had sinned
in taking medicine, and he, too, sent away the
physician. Soon afterward he recalled the ply
stefan, begged his pardon, and died
Brother Motley said that the brethren prayed
too little and read TO much If they stopped
running after the Mormons and Spiritualistg
they would perform more faith cures.
The Rev. w II. Parmly, Of Jersey City, said
that he would like to be on both sides of the
question. He knew that a young lady in his
church who had been dying for year was re-