The Waco daily examiner. [volume] (Waco, Tex.) 187?-1888, 1885-10-24

GRANT-JOHNsON.


Another Phase of the Case.
New YORK, October 23.-The Her.
aid this morning has further details
OF the Grant-Johnson matter, COM +,
prised in interview with Hugh Nc
Cullogh at his Maryland home. Mr..
Mccullough said:
"This is all new to me. never
heard anything of the kind before.
II is complete surprise, and chal-
lenges my credulity without argu-
ment. What makes me doubt the
correctness of the statement is that
the personal relations between Presi-
dent johnson and General Grant,
)were of the most friendly character
up to the time which General Grant
as acting secretary of war yielded his
chair to Secretary Stanton, and that
was u year or more after these occur
rences are reported to have taken
place. II is not possible for me to
DENY the correctness of Mr.. DePew's
narrative, because Il may have hap
pened lust as he alleges General
L rant said 1t did; only repeat that
IL Is the first time [ ever heard
of 1t, and proposition involving so
much, [ really think would have
been spoken of and talked about, and
hardly kept secret all these nine
teen years. Mr.. Mccullough regret
ted that he had not memoranda
from which to speak positively but
said others had aud he did not doubt
but that the charge would be utterly
disproved.
Mr.. DePew said: General Grant
talked to me tor nearly two hours
and his speech was so graphic that
few men would forget what he said.
The story impressed me very much at
the time and my memory of II is quite
clear and reliable. He told me the
story about johnson in great detail.
said to him, General, this is more
interesting and important than any
of the recorded events happening
since the war and you ought to write
out the facts" The general replied
that for years he had wished to make
written record of that part OF Amer
lean history but that he found no
time for the task. l urged that these
facts proved the country had been on
the verge OF anothe r great revolution,
perhaps graver than the other, and
that the people ought TO know It.
The general said he hoped in time 10
write the story. Two or three
DAYS before he went to
Mount McGregor, had n talk with
him. "Geueral," | said. edo you re-
member the story you told me some
wears ago about President Johnson''
extraordinary effort at the period o
reconstruction
al remember 1t WELL" he replied.
"Haye you included it in your me
moirs of the warr | asked.
"No," he said, ~ have never writ
ten 1t out" / supposed Genera
lGrant did not want to make the mat
ter public ut that time, not being VII
ling to provoke "a controversy. IL
reslized that he was dying man. H'
= told me nothing more than VIVA
he told johnson, that b
would drive the illegal congress
out of ,he capitol at the point OF III
lbayonet.r Grant was very earnest
his conversation. You see If John
sons proposition had been carrie
out the enemies of the north woul
probably have controlled congress
\ aud such measures rs the fifteent
amendment to the constitution Nigh
have been defeated. Being asked
] he knew of any corrob0rative fact
DePew replied: "Well, see thu
General Sherman says he knows q
about IL. aud General Horace Port
10 was acquainted with the matter. Is
sides, Vice-Presldent Frank IhoH
son Of the Pennsylvania railroad to
, me yesterday that years ago Ex-Judi
III Jeremiah Black informed MN
III Johnson's intentions. Johnson SCI
ls' tor Black and laid before him q
plan which he had laid before Graz
lie asked Black for his aid in carr
ing out the scheme. You know til
= Black had been encouragement
Buchauan's cabinet and was a We
warm advocate of Johnson's slt
BLACK heard all that johnson had
saw aud when the whole plan was
yealed he said: "You have left o
important factor out of your calcu
ttious, Mr.. President"
"What is thatr johnson asked.
-mIeil.n was Blacks reply to
proposition.
The Boston Transcript prints
interview with George ii. Cord
who commanded the district of Ei
ern Virginia In 1865. General Cord
saws that the history of change
policy of Johnson's administration
secret. He gives the names of u
ty-six rebel leaders, including Hal
ton, Early, Wise, Ould, Longstr
Prior and Hunter, who were Indie
for high treason by the grandeur!
the United States district court
Norfolk, at the instance of the
ernment, and says that on june
o 1865, the government made inqi
n of him, through General Ord, how
u proceedings against the surrende
officers were progressing. IL Is
dent that the terms ofthe capitulaI
n Of General Lee could not be mad
- ceyer tho cases OF Seldom, who W
rebel secretary of war up TO the Q
mart of 1865, or of Foulkney or v
for they were not surrendered Off
of the confederate army of North
ginia. General Gordon says he n
Knew why or how tho proceed
were quashed nor what changed
sident Johnson's purpose, but is
tident II Is not the agreement
broken down, ruined aristocraC
take him up and make him OIL
themselves.
A Philadelphia View Of it,
TX PHILADELPHIA. October 23.-
pending controversy between FIJI
Of General Grant and those Of
praai liant Johnson Ia creating