The Dallas daily herald. [volume] (Dallas, Tex.) 1873-1887, 1885-10-25
GRANT-JOHNSON.
The PHANTOM FIGHT STILL ON.
More lntcrviews In Regard to the Al.
legged Utterances of General Grant.
Talks with Frank Thompson,
Mcclellan, Fitx John Por-
ter, and Many Others.
More Interviews.

NEW YORK, Oct. 24.-The Herald
this morning has another long install.
msut OF interviews with persons ON
tho Depew letter relative to President
Johnson. Frank Thompson, of the
Pennsylvania railway and Fred Grant
rciterate their former statements, Tho
latter said:
VI have heard my father say again
and again the same things in very
much the same language. Ihave doc
umentary evidence in my possession
that could be collateral proofs OF the
facts referred to in the conversation
my father had with Mr.. Depew, aud |
intend TO collate them and my recol-
leotions upon that subject.n
Frederick w. Seward, secretary of
his father, said ho never heard spy-
thing of the story in question and bo-
ltaved, like Hugh Mccullough, that
had such things boon he would have
known something of them. The story
being new to him, he doubted It's cor
rectnees.
Fitz John Porter confessed that kuch
charges were made at the time, but he
was In Colorado then and his informs.
ton was too fragmentary TO be of any
value.
General Mcclellan said he knew
nothing OF the charges, as he was In
Europe.
General sicklos reiterated his story,
saying:
"There was no doubt of General
Grants fear of Johnson's loyalty 10 the
government. Such fears were know n to
leading generals enjoying General
n.,n An A..
romomber how worried ho was
when he visited me at Charleston.
He seemed to have very little
confidence in Johnson's policy or In
tentions. On several occasions Grant
talked over the situation at Washing.
ton with me until 3Or 4 o'clock in the
morning. II ia true Grant did not re
rovesl his worst susploions, but he
told Ige enough TO show that he was
alarmed for The safety of the govern
mont and the success of tho recon-
struction."
State Senator Arkell said that he
was intimate with Grant at Mt. Mo-
Gregor. Once Grant ssid to him:
81 have been called as commander
to conclude tho suppression
Of one rebellion, and have been
personally the means OF preventing
subsequent civil war, manacing and
dangerous, yet Of which LITTLE Is
known"
A veteran Wall street flnancier said: /:
81 remember tho timo well. A ru
NOR struck tho street that some por-
tentious disturbance was brewing ia
Washington. Government securities
dropped terribly, from some unk nown
cause, Tho cause of the depression
was found TO have originated In Balti-
more. subsequently, when the imme-
diate trouble was oyer, Ii was ascer-
tained to have been based on
information procured by Bob John.
son, tho private secretary of the
president, who had surrsptltiously
copied and sold portions of the draft
Of Gn intended proolamsrf6n in which
President Johnson proposed to declare
Congress adjourned aud demand q full
representation from the seeded States
rs tho only constitutional body hs
would recognize"
This corroborates Mr.. D3psw's re-
cant statement. II shows how much
larger than we knew Ia the debt we
owe the silent hero, who stood betwseu
tho wild and infatuated ambition OF O
weak but stubborn man and a great
national calamity.