New-York tribune., 1885-10-23
4 CHAT WITH THE REH, Fl. r. HAWEIS.
PLEASED WITH THE PLAN OF EDUCATING MEN AND
.ro,.rr rocn ruER-nIsE arA ARIIsHMENT.

ptr.srn WITH THE PLAN OF EDUCATING MEN AND
WOMEN ToGErHER-DIsEsTABLIsH
MONTREAL, Oct. % (SpeciaD. The Rev. Ii.
r. Hawes Hncumbent of st. Jamess Church, haryeoone,
London is in this city. He said to-day 81 think thh'
we in England can take great many useful hints from
Americans In the conduct Of university education no
joint education OF and men. now sixteen years
experimented on in Cornell has proved signal success
Male and female graduates pursue their studies IN COM
mon and the result isa refining influence on Dotn no
be found elsewhere In Cambridge or OXFORD OF otnoi
universities England this system Is not In vogue o
we have ladies' universities such Girton anu Ne"h
ham. believe however. that tho Cornell system u
university education is the better"
Mr. Hawcs has spent weeks as tho guest OF lho
president OF Cornell, and has had an opportunity l"
judge OF the system.
Speaking OF Church disestablishment he said; -
think the Church would get on we'll disestaoshea VINO"
the time comes but am in hurry to see IL diseSt"
lished fear for religion, even though the ou
must make way for the now. believe that la discs
tabished Church the clergyman OF the tUtnre VIII Poo
ably be person who cannot be dismissed IrOm oce W
q caba or conspiracy caprice, but VINO VIII not DO III
lowed permanently retain his position OF pastor II he
is admittedly Incapable or inefficient At present there
are many persons charge Of congregations who are H.
capable OF charge and who retain their position Dy
reason Of their privilege established clergymcn Ihere
are great the administration OF the ChnrGh o
England and unless ihry are reisoieT IN aJ r e
mposslblty OF putting the right men III the rSn'
plnc.s and tie way which Church patronage Ia "is
tbutod good deal of patronage is Oy polticaI FAVOR
Il "A man party politician or if ne mas Irlchu III
the Governments friend at Court, there arc great
many wealthy men who own church lyinSs ana 'hey
give their Ihews their relatives or irlchs.
There arc an enormous numDrr of Church vug' NJ te
d.posa of individuals Other Church Vings arc III Tue
patronage OF the Government or Prime Minister or
First Commissioner OF Works, and they are often ulS
trhuted among clergymen connected with lnnuchtIai
political parties ., ,.-,,.,.
"DO you think that dlsesiaDllshmcht WOulu hDoHS'
this abuse Of pairOnagoF T. o., -,
81 must give YOU LOwelrs opinion on this, sad MT
Uawcis 80 Don't prOphesy unless You kGoW.' 10 Juuso
10y the signs the tir<es the Church OF England a. an
Established Church. should have gone long ago lat u
has kent position ana It's connection with me oae
has been spite the via Om OF its Clergy MOI III CON
sequence of IT, The clergy OF the church OF IN sl''
have done their best 10 wreck tho Established Chuch
becn they know the timc Oi thcir VISITATION hy
NOR. thau bishops do II religion has bton kept hIN'
In England II Is OF the inherent vltay nl re-
gion rather OF the special excrii0nS OF the ces9
There T. now considerable revival III religion ONnE
to The extraordinary amount Of dissenting OppoSltln
which has done II enormous deal Oi good Inc
Church has property the Nation. and rights Ol prop
erty would be- disturbed by dis"stablishmcht bcIoio
the disruption the bishops VIII IA va TO leave e
House OF Lords"