The Emporia weekly news. [volume] (Emporia, Kan.) 1881-1889, 1885-10-29
GRANT-JOHNSON.
HUGH MCCULLOUGH EXPRESSES
GREAT SURPRISE
At the Statements Made by Chann-
cey Depew.
More Trouble With the Chinese at
Rock Springs.
Heavy Beef Contract Closed at
Galveston.
Trying to Raise the New Mexico
Quarantine.
CHAMPIONSHIP.
The arAnt-JOhnson Matter.

NEW YORK, Oct. 23.-The Herald
this morning has further details of the
Grant-JOhnson matter, comprised in an
interview with Hugh Mccullough, who
said: This Is all new TO me never heard
anything of the kind before. It Ii q
complete surprise. and challenges my
credulitY without argument. What
makes me doubt the correctness of the
statement is, that the personal relations
between President Johnson and General
Grant were OF the most friendly charac-
ter up 70 the time Gen. Grant, As scting
secretary OF war. yielded his
chair 10 Secretary Stanton, and this was
year or more after these occurrences
purpOrted TO have taken place. II is not
possible for me 70 deny the correct
ness OF DepeW's narrative, because IL
may have happened just as General
Grant said II did. l Can only repeat, il
is the first time ever heard of IL, and
proposition involving 80 much, l really
think, would have been spoken OF ana
talked about and hardly kept secret
these nineteen years" Mr.. Depew said:
General Grant talked TO me tor
nearly two hours, and his speech
was go graphic that few men
would forget what he said. The
story impressed me very much at the
time, and my memory OF II Is quite clear
and reliable. He told me the story about
johnson in great detail. said TO him:
General, this is more interesting and
important than any of the recorded
events happening since the war. You
ought TO write out the facts.' General
Grant replied that for years he had de-
sired TO make q written record OF that
part OF American history, but that he
found no time for the task. / urged
that these facts proved the country mad
been ON the verge of another great revo-
luton, perhaps graver than the other,
and that people ought to know It.
the general said he hoped in time to
write the story. Two or three DAYS be-
fore he went to Mt kcGregor l had a
talk with him. General" said, lido
you remember the story you told me
some years ago about President john
sons extraordinary effort at the period
of reconstruction II remember II
well, ;" he replied. "HaYe you included
it In your memories of the WARP" l
asked. mo-" he said, 81 have never
written it" l suppose General Grant
did not want TO make the mater public
at that time. not being willing to pro-
woke a controversy.
He realized that he was dying man.
He told me nothing more than he told
johnson, that he would drive the illegal
congress out of the Capitol, at the point
of the bayonet. Grant was very earnest
In his conversation. You see, If John
sons proposition had been carried out,
the enemies of the north would probably
have controlled congress, and such
measures as the 10th amendment to the
Constitution might have been defeated. ;"
Being asked if he knew of any corrobo.
rative facts, Depew replied: "Well, l
ses that General Sherman says
he knows all about It and
Quanted with the matter; besides, Vice
President Frank Thompson, of the Pen
nsylvania railway, told me yesterday
that years ago ex Judge jeremiah Black
| informed him OF JohnsOn's Intentions
| johnson sent for Black and LAID before
him the plan which he had laid before
| Grant. He asked Black for his aid in
| carrying out the scheme. You know
| Black had been attorney general in
| BuchGnan's capinet and was q very
warm advocate OF Johnsons side. Black
heard ali Johnson had to say and when
the plan was revealed. he said :"you have
left one important factor out of your Cal
culatIons Mr.. President. "Whst is that. VI
johnson asked, "Hell," was Blacks re-.
| ply to the proposition. The Boston
Transcript prints an interview with Geo
| 81. Gordon, who commanded the district
of Eastern Virginia in 1865. General
Gordon says the history OF the change oI
policy of Johnson's administration il
still a secret. He gives the names Of
thiriy-siX rebel leaders, including
Hampton Early. Wise, Ould LongstTeet
Prior and Hunton, who were indicted
for high treason bv the Grand jury o.
the United States District Court at Nor
folk, at the instance of the Government
and says on June Sth, 1865, the Govern
ment made inquiry of him, through
General Order, how proceedings agains
surrendered officers were progressing
1t is evident the terms of the capitulatioI
of General Lee could not bG
made to cover cases OF
Seldom, who was the rebel secretary o.
war up to the early part of 1865, or OF
Faulkner, or Wise, for they were mo-
surrendered officers of the confederate
army of northern Virginia. Gen. Cor
don says he never knew why or how the
proceedings were quashed, nor what
changed President Johnson's purpose
but he is confident that 1t was not ar
agreement of the broken-down, ruined
arIstocracy, to take him up and make
him one OF themselves"