St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1885-11-23
The Breeders Of Minnesota Should be
Present and Help to Determine
Certain Matters.
Questions Raised About the Posi- bill
tty of a Horse Trotttng a Mile in
Two Minutes.
Where to Raise Trotters- The George
Wilkes Produce--The Blue
Bull List
Northwestern Breeders,

u6tGl1SS, uOSG VI IHolu IlakllS cAulUllS
which far exceeded the most sanguine ex-
pectatiOns of the members and promoters.
We have every reason to believe that the
meetings OF the state associations next year
will be equally, if not more brilliant. The
state meetings. of Illinois. Michigan, WiscOn-
sin, Indiana, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska
will bring to the front the best and speedi-
est trotting stock within their borders, but
the meeting of the Northwestern associa-
ton will necessarily bring together all the
available speed in these states. and the
outside public will be pleased and surprised
with the grand exhibition which the aSsO-
citation can make.
To make the meeting of 1886 perfect
success the breeders must attend the con-
vention on Dec. l. Only by tine fullest dis
cussiOn can the best possible program be
devised. The breeders certainly know the
capacity Of their stock, and taking an intel
ligent forecast will be able to arrange the
stakes which will bring together the most
speed. The amount of the entrance fee
and the division of payment are also very
important questions. We should like this
subject to be most thoroughly ventilated,
and the results arrived at to have the unani-
nous approval of the breeders. With the
principal parties satisfied, full nomination
lists may be expected and good fields of
starters We shall expect our friends from
now to the date of the meeting to discuss
these and other important points. Let
there be grand rally when the time comes
and the association will be able to place a
program before the public which will at
once take rank with the leading meetings
of the year.-Chicago Horseman.
The Farmers Advocate and Northwest
ern Stockman has the following judicious
remarks upon this subject: ''Another i'm
portant question that ought and probably
will be brought up and pronounced upon,
is as to what fixes the nativity OF foal, viz,
whether the place of breeding is settled by
the act of coupling or by the place of foal-
ing. The breeding of Mr.. FL. G. Finkle's
great colt, Lord Nelson, is case showing
the necessity of an authoritative declara-
ton on this point. The sire and dam of
Lord Nelson were coupled outside of Min
nesota, but the colt was foaled in the state,
on the banks of the Red River of the North,
where he was reared, developed and did all
his work Except two weeks OH the state
fair grounds) before going to Chicago, and
astonished the trotting world by doing his
mile in 1864 way within himself. That
Minnesota is entitled to claim the colt
as home breed, the Advocate and
Stockman has not shadow of doubt,
but the fact remains that, owing to the
vague rulings on the point, sufficient
loop-hole is left to allow captious parties
to found a protest, as was actually done
against Lord Nelson in the stake race at
the Minnesota fair.
1.-The object of the Northwestern asso
ciation-the central organization of the
Northwestern states-is to afford the vari-
GUS state associations an opportunity to
meet in friendly rivalry on common ground,
and thus advertise to the people of the
whole country the quality of the stock that
is being bred within their limits. Mime
sofa has nothing to fear from such contests,
and we therefore trust Minnesota will not
only be fully and ably represented at the
Chicago meeting, but also that at the meet
ing of the state association, which will
probably be called soon, there will be a
full attendance of trotting-horse breeders,
and that steps will be at once inaugurated
for the state races of 1856, with the pur
pose of having them on more extensive
scale than was the case this year."
WHAT'S the Limit OF Horse Speed!
The limit of speed always offers debat-
able ground, and we commend to the atten-
ton of our readers the following remarks
and opinions by the following cotere, who
are noted for practical experience: DR..
George II. Bailey and C. Fl. Nelson of
Maine. w. II. Crawford, Ed Bithers Rody
Patterson and others. They compared
notes just after witnessing Patron trot in
2:1915. Mr.. Nelson exclaimed: THAT
beats me. 1 guess I'll go home and feed
my three ear-old Nelson. 2:26A) his
mash out of the silver cup l won with him
at the Maine state fair, and get him ready
for the best four-year-olds' next season."
Dr.. Bailey remarked: cit was twenty
four years ago that Hiram Woodruff drove
Shepard Knapp, as a three-year-old, in
2:41, and he then considered it a great per-
Torrance, but colt trotting has not found
much favor until the last decade. 1t looks
as if most of the trotting will be done after
this by colts, for they are raising them by
the dozens around here. The keenesJ RI
valry will be to beat the colt records at all
ages. In aiming to do this their owners
will place them in the speed nursery, like
runners. and try to get their best efforts in
two or three seasons. and then they will be
crowded aside by the younger growth.
stake races Will become more popular and
greater number of starters will be ready to
compete. My opinion is that horses have
trotted about as fast as they ever will.
The difference will be that the young horses
will move down on the limit of speed already
marked say by Maud S. Their training for
two or three seasons will be forced. so that
they will accomplish as much in two or
three seasons as the aged horses did in
twice the period" The doctor paused and
Edwin P. Bither took up the argument by
saying. II think your ideas are sound. 1t
appears to me the trotter has reached his
limit. His breeding, training and manage
mtnt have been reduced to fine point,
and to talk of mile in 200 sounds nom
sensical to me, and l cannot make myself
believe that l will ever see trotter per-
form in 2:05. In comparing our business
with the running horsemen, l never hear
them entertain the idea that ii is possible
for the thoroughbred of the future to do
mile in 30 or even 1875. They are salts
fed the runner has reached his limit" ".
H. Crawford listened intently and deliv-
cred the opinion that trotting horsemen
should be satisfied with the results achieved
and not attempt to beat the impOssible-a
mile in 200. There were other prominent
horsemen present but none of them had
the temerity to combat the ideas advanced.
We are of the enthusiastic party of turf
men who set the trotting mark at 2:05
within the next ten years, provided the
present rules as to records remain. If the
trotter IS trained like Maud S, with view
to making an extremely fast mile, the feat
of trotting in 2:05 or better will be near at
hand. Just consider that Johnston, a
PAGER, has drawn sulky and driver, with
,xa;rbt I'M q miIe in 2.O6L and what a
PAGER has done trotter may do.
Where TO Raise Horses.
Az Cherenne is the center of the INLAND