The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1885-1921, 1885-06-15

Mr. McAllister-I am not in the habit Of
carrying pistols, myself
Q--When you left the Office that after
noon, what time did you leave your office,
Mr.. Spreckelsf About a quarter u >.
Odd you ride or walk from your
office Al drove up IN The business
G.@And where did you put up your
teaml AT Bridges5 stable. the ST.
Lawrence table, On Suffer street.
Q.-And after. you put your team up
there, where did you goE Al walked
| down kearny street.
O.-And then you met these parties as
you have described. Ayes. sir.
REORGANIZATION.
Mr.. Campbell-Y object was to q
| for your team, was il mote To go out for q
ride on that OccasionE A.-NO.. sir My
| object was TO put my business buggy up
when went To the stable.
Q.-To put your business buggy upl A.
Q.-Well. were you not going out riding
| after thatl Al was later on.
Q.-That was your intention was il not
A.-No. sir. The intention was TO take
Q.-Were you alone al that time Al
was; yes, sir.
/ O.-Had you any arrangement to take
| short walk with anybody A.-No, sir. 1t
is my habit. and it was most every after
| noon.
Q.-On Kearny street, A.-Yes. sir.
Oa
| you started for the stable! Ayes, sir.
| Q.-And where did you meet Mr.. Walter?
| A-As l said before l met him little be-
| yond Morton street. on hearny street,
| Q.-On Kearny street, Ayes sir.
Dwell, you started off to take a walk
with him then Ayes, sir.
Young that you started OF TO take your
| walk A.-No. sir, prior to that.
Q.-Prior to that! A.-Yes. sir.
Q.-Wen then after you saw De Young
| ont still On rrft
| original purpose OF taking a walk with
| Mr.. WalterI A.-Yes, sir.
! Q.-You continued your original pur-
Q.-And you went down Kearny street
| How far do those walks OF yours usually
carry you on kearny street A.-They
| vary at different times.
| Q.-What induced you on that occasion
| TO turn off at Bush streeC2 Al went to
| go to the Chronicle office.
| DID you say anything to your COM
pRnion as to your intention before you
started A.-No. sir, did not.
Q.-Didn't say word A.-No. sir.
| go therei A.-After 1 had seen Mr.. De
Q.-After you had seen hima A.-Yes.
o.-Had you formed your intention
| from seeing him put his hand in his pocket
| therel A.-No, sir.
| Q.-You had not? A.-No, sir; did not
pay particular attention 10 that ct the
Q.-You started Off to demonstrate with
himl Ayes.
Or to expostulate with him? A
Yes. sir.
Dwell. then, that motion that you
have spoken of did not cause you the
least inconvenience. did it A.-No. sir;
not till afterward, with the second motion
that was made, did think of the first one
Q.-You never had any personal &C
quantance with Mr.. De Young up TO that
time2 Al had met him prior 10 that;
yes, sir.
Q.-Had you any personal acquaintance
with him before that! A.-Yes. sir; he6
personally met him.
Q.-How long beforel A.-Probably
two or three years before that.
.Q-You were not frequently in the habit
OF seeing him: were yOul A.-Wen,
saw him quite frequently.
Q.-How shortly before that had you seen
him A.-W ell, probably had not seen
him for week or two before that.
Q.-You did not make any attempt to
speak TO him on the street at all A.-No,
sir, did not think it the proper place to
do so.
rection of his private office did you mott
Ayes. sir.
Dwell, you did not wait until he got
in did yOuf A.-NO. sir.
Q.-Why were you in such a great
hurry to speak to him if zoe would not
speak to him on the street. and you saw
him going INTO his private office, and in
that direction. why was it that you inter
rupted him on his way there-why didn't
you follow him to his private Officer A
/ don't think it is polite to follow man
into his private office. / don't allow any
body to do that in my office unless invited
to do so.
Q.-Now. will you describe the kind of
coat that he had on. Ale had coat
something similar to the one | have got,
and 1 would not be sure whether it was
cutaway or a frock coat, l am not posi-
tive as TO that.
Q.-When you saw him unbutton it how
many buttons did he unbutton! Al
would not be positive about that either. l
should Judge he unbr toned about three
or four buttons; about four should say.
Q.-With which hand did he unbutton
them! A.-With his left hand think it
was.
Q.-Do you know whether he had any
package in either hand at the time} A /
l don't remember of seeing package.
.Q.-Eont you know that he had at the .
time OF the shooting a package in his
handl Al did not notice it; no, sir.
Q.-Now don't you know whether you
shot through package VIII you shot at .
him2 Al don't know that, sir; since, [
have seen the package here in Court.
Q.-You never saw him draw his hand /
out of his hip pocket, did you! A.-NO. {
sir.
Q.-Never saw that2 You did not see
any pistol in his hand! A.-No, sir; did
not.
Dust shot because he made that mo-
ton, did you Al did not think SO. 1
saw him make the motion.
Q.-Did Mr.. De Yonng say anything to
you A.-NO, SIT
Or you to him7 A.-No, sir.
Q.--Where did you have your pistol2
AIN my hip pocket-right hip pocket
Care you an expert in the use of
Mr.. McAnister-One moment, gentle
men, / don't think that that ID a per
tinent question.
The Court-What bearing has that, Mr..
Mr.. Campbell-Well, 1 think it has a
great bearing. Here is a man who goes
and shoots down another and claims it was
in self defense, when the other has not
drawn any wea pom on him at all. There
might be a difference between a clumsy
man manipulating with pistol which he
was not accustomed to and an expert who
would have the other completely ut his
mercy.
Mr.. McAllister-Wen. we will take a
ruling on his and we will object to IL as
incompetent, irrelevant and immaterial
and not cross examination.
Objection oyerruled; exception by de.
fendant.l
The question was read again.
The witness don't pretend to be an ex-
pert no, sir.
Q.-You have skill in the use of a pistol7
A.-Not in the drawing Of a pistol, no, sir,
from pocket.
o. mean in shooting? well, 1
cannot say as to that. Other people prob
ably would be better judges than | am.
Q.-Wel, don't you know whether you
are pretty good shot with pistol! A.
A fair shot; yes, sir.
Q.-Nou are, are you not? Ayes, sir
Mr.. McAllister-He says ne is a fair
shot but / guess l could beat him myself
MIR. Campbell-You are sufficiently skill
full in the use Of n pistol, are you not. to
shoot the head OFF of a gull sometimes
when it is flying Al have done so;
yes.
Daniel Schudmack confirmed the testi-
m my of Emil Marks so far as it related to
himself, and George A. Donahue fol
lowed him.
A CLIPPING FROM THE CHRONICLE"
Mr.. McAllister then said that he wished
TO introduce g clipping from the Chronicle
of y ov ember 10, 1854.
Mir. campbell We object. We don't
SEQ hat pieSe in the CarOliCIe has any
thing u do with this matter.