St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1885-10-25
TECUMSEH TELLS IT.
Gen. Sherman Overcomes His Native
Reticence and Talks of Grant
johnson.
It Was Quarrel Between Johnson and
Congress Waged Over Grants
Shoulders.
Much Correspondence of This Inn
portant Epoch to Be Made
Public.
Testimony of Reputable Gentlemen
Confirming the Statements Made
by Mr.. Depew.
What Sherman Saws.

What Sherman Says.
ST. LOUIS, Oct. 24.-The Globe-Demo-
crat of to-day contains long interview
with Gen. Sherman in regard to the Grant
Johnson matter. The general starts out
by saying: Il do not wish to say anything
in regard to this controversy now, but l
have all the documents pertaining to it in
my possession and assure you it has not
been forgotten. | think the papers are
getting badly mixed up over it and the
more testimony that is given the more con-
fnsed it becomes" The general then gives
a long account of how and why he was
sent to Mexico with Minister Campbell
instead of Gen. Grant, which is SUBJ
stantially the same as given in the Asso-
ciated Press dispatches from Philadelphia
last night and which the general acknoWl-
edged to be mainly correct. and then pro-
ceeded as follows: 81 never understood
Gen. Grant to express any fear that Mr..
Johnson contemplated any violence. Mr..
Johnson firmly believed that the constitu-
ton and laws then existing were all suffl-
cient for the reconstruction OF the Southern
states. Congress thought otherwise, and III
the quarrel between congress and the presl-
dent, Grant was in danger of being made
the scapegoat." Gen. Sherman here pro-
duced large bundle of letters from Gen.
Grant and continued: ''These letters cover
the period in question. They are all of a
friendly and confidential nature, but there
is nothing in them which would go to show
that Grant ever apprehended any national
danger. When
STANTON WAS RESTORED TO OFFICE
Johnson accused Grant of having Surren-
dered his Office without sufficient resistance.
That was the cause of the quarrel. 1t was
fight between the president aid congress
and Grant was not willing that they should
wage it over his shoulders. Stanton being
backed by congress, Grant retired. john
son was hostile to Stanton, and he did not
want him in his cabinet. Grant concluded
that the best way out of the difficulty was
to let the president, congress and Stan
ton fight it out themselves. L think
the papers are making too much of
this controversy. 1t is simply an effort to
rekindle the emberS of fire which has long
since died out. do not believe Mr.. Chauncey
Depew intended to do more than repeat
from memory a statement made by Gen.
Grant at dinner table. He is a very hon
orable gentleman, but he no doubt thought
| there was something in the matter. But
there was nothing more in Mr.. Johnson's
attitude than the ordinary political differ
ences that will exist between the men of
different parties. 1 repeat again there was
no violence intended. Everybody was sick
and tired of war. Nobody thought of fight
ing, except Oh paper. After Stanton was
| removed
1 DESIRED THE PRESIDENT
to nominate Gen. Jacob D. Cox as secretary
of war, and his confirmation by the senate
would have settled the whole controversy.
Mr.. Reverdv johnson coincided with me in
this particular, but the president would
! fight it out in his own Individual way.
As I have already stated, Mr.. johnson
was impressed with the belief that with
the constitution and the laws he could
successfully reconstruct the South. Mr..
Lincoln, 1 think, was Of the same opinion.
| Congress, however, wanted to provide the
machinery and dictate the terms upon
which the states that had seeded might
| be readmitted into the Union. Between
congress and the president, Grant had a
very unhappy time of it for about year.
Then, when the question was asked, who
will be Johnson's successor" the answer
invariably was Grant OF course there
was desire on the part of some to crush
Grant, as there was after the Mexican war
to kill Scott, which they did, and Taylor,
which they did not. When Grant was
elected president in 1868 these things ceased
to be talked about, but they are being
stirred up again new. All the cor
respondence and documents relating to that
controversy have been saved, however, and
they will yet be made public"
THE HERALD's INTERVIEWS.
New YORK, Oct. 24.-The Herald this
morning has another long instalment of in
terviews with various persons on the Depew
letter, relative to President johnson.
Frank Thompson of the Pennsylvania rail-
road and Fred Grant reiterated their for
mer statements. The latter said: Il have
heard my father say again and again the
same things, in very much the same Ian
| guage. l have documentary evidence in
my possession that would be collateral proof
of the facts referred to in the conversation
my father had with Mr.. Depew, and L in
tend to collate them and my recoilections
on that subject"
Frederick W. Seward, secretary of his
father, said he never heard anything of the
story in question and believed, like Hugh
McCulloch, that the story being new to
him he doubted its correctness. FitZ John
Porter confessed that such charges were
made at the time, but he was in Colorado
then and his information was too frag-
mentary to be Of any value. Gen. Nc
Clellan said he knew nothing Of the charges,
as he was in Europe. Gen. Sickles reiter-
ated his story, saying: 'There was NO
doubt of Gen. Grants fear of Johnson'S
loyalty to the government. Such fears
were known to the leading generals
| ENJOYING GEN. GRANTS CONFIDENCE
in 1865. I well remember how worried he
was when he visited me at Charleston. He
seemed to have very little confidence in
Johnson's policy or intentions. On several
occasions Grant talked over the situation at
Washington with me till or o'clock in
the morning. 1t is true that Grant did moi
reveal his worst suspicious, but he told me
enough to show that he was alarmed fol
the safety of the government and the sue
cess of reconstruction" State Senator
Arkell said he was intimate with Grant al
Mt. McGregor Once Grant said to him
81 have been called as commander of the
army to conclude the suppression OF the
Rebellion and have been personally the
means of preventing subsequent civil wal
menacing and dangerous, yet of which lit
tie is known"
A veteran Wall street inancer said: 81
remember the day well. A rumor struck
the street that portentous disturbance wa:
brewing in Washington. Government Sc
curities dropped terribly from some un
known cause. The cause of the depression
was found to have originated in Baltimore.
Subsequently when the immediate trouble
was over it was ascertained to have beer
based on information procured by Boz
johnson. the presidents private secretary
who had surreptitiously copied and solo