Salt Lake evening Democrat. [volume] (Salt Lake City, Utah) 1885-1887, 1885-05-13
TonERN MIRACLES.
BAPTIST ministers Discuss
q T0rh No ssFaith Cure"

- the s'Faith C
.:.t ministers discussed faitl
rbe Bsp'i9 weeks ago, and yesterday
r: ,. s up two hours deD LtranF 'ne M SUB
agal gam a. present. The Rev; George
hes EelTI laid he believed that God
FolVen Lsrer and that He will cure the
Bseers pla cr Is offered with faith COM
K j Ii !earfect reliance on His will.
ned with Po on Fox said that while many
Fro It.a Mcclure cures have been wrought in
nlIh+ ~ prayer, yet he could not forget
B:Eer y .,i P-T remarkable cures had been
81 equa " +be grotto of Lourdes and at
Fought !, NE as well as by Mormon
DOck C5 ~ bv spirit mediums, all of
isr anu he repudiated. The prayer
b iss ci u Thy will be done" but the
3Iin u Fifth the people in the prayer
fo1oe 4tItions, and who want us to be-
pc II p their special gifts, is that they
se u u not 50 much faith in God as faith
r'u ossrrance Of healing.
ne S'1 R w. Hartley said that he
IDe H'' the desired reputation of a
Nv He supposed that he had not
Hl.' Now York long enough [laughterl,
~ hin him the "Thy will be done"
Ybordered too much on fatahsm.
~ . an nraver does not affect God,
Jaf was the use of praying? If he
"a that God had an unalterable line
lon laid down, he would never pray
(. He had lived among Mormons,
10 had never seen an instance of
He had seen the elders swelter the
~ !, crease and the sick died. IL
Tho Rev. Mr.. Higgins, of Staten Is
u ~ said that he had prayed with
, r1 apparently dying at Tottenville,
!. sIl Tqs impressed that she would be re-
rorai 10 health. She was. -
Moderator J. F. Hughes, of Green
Trt doubted whether any encourage
,srt should be given to modern faith
rm 1t is leading many to fanaticism,
nj is often presumptuous, and trifies
ib the Word OF God. If the Holy
l5nst is blessing these people in response
tbe Word Of God, then they ought to
\ CAPABLE OF rightly interpreting the
Bble. and they are often at fault in that
rpspect A young lady in the moderator's
Iburch went to the Greenville faith cure
Institution fully expecting to be healed,
m in with all the conditions imposed by
Ebem, and when she remained an invalid
he was told that she was a very wicked
.FOman, and that for her want of faith
BOD would bring His judgment on her.
q did believe that they could cure
he, she said, sobbing, to Mr.. Hughes,
and now it does seem from what they
Ill me that | am not a child of God"
She was a good woman" he added,
but she was for long time kept in the
belief that she was not Christian"
The Rev. r. B. Montgomery, of Brook
IN, said that faith cure institution had
Teen built up near him. In the Brook
newspapers it advertised wonderful
I1es but if other faith cures were no
zer than that, then he believed that
! Od-fashioned prayer "Thy will be
be- was the better. A sick woman
sway from her bedside one of the
4shysicians in Brooklyn, and trusted
.iaith cure people. She died three
Etterward. A man said he had
IN taking medicine, and he, too,
EEay the physician. Soon after
Fame recalled the physician, begged
|EArdon, and died. ...-I..
kOther Motley said that the brethren
Eei too little and read too much, If
T stopped running after the Mormons
iSpiritualists they would perform more
-h cures.
The Rev. w. II. Parmly, of Jersey City,
d that he would like to be on both
les Of the question. He knew that
mg lady in his church who had been
ing for year was restored to- health
er earnest Joint prayer for her by many
sthren; but, on the other hand, modern
th-cure advocates are often presumptu-
S. The people in charge of the institu-
n told one of the patients they failed to
re that the devil was in her, while they
led the other all sorts of names be-
use she failed to get on her feet and
le a walk. -.-
The Rev. ]. F. Patton, of Melrose, said
at he wouldn't be sure that General
ants case was not one of faith cure.
aughter.l He had found William Il.
,dge inclined to the belief that the
]uble was an ulcer of the throat, and
al the doctors made more of it than
ere was in it. The Rev. Mr.. Patton,
,wever, thought that it might easily be
lieved that General Grants recovery
as in answer to prayers offered all over
e United States, and that he would get
ell in spite of the doctors.
Then the Rev. D. 7. Phillips, of Green
INT, said that some of the persons who
nduCt faith cures are not to be relied on
sincere. In fact, he believed, he said,
at more unprincipled scoundrel never
me from England to work all sorts of
.almg than that Brooklyn - al.l
Moderator Hughes rang the bell
arply, got to his feet and said:
To characterize any person on the
lOr Of the conference is not in accord
nee with the rules"
The Rev. Mr.. Phillips-I didn't men
Mnames.
The MODERATOR said any person.
The Rev, Mr.. Montgomery-You are
eeakmg Of one man, of another. !
The Rev. Mr.. Phillips-I mean that
an, too. (Laughter.) Now, I'd like
ask Brother Hartley here, who told
some weeks ago that his wife was
red by the prayer of faith, what he
cans by bringing her to New York Tor
Il health. l understand that he has
me that. If cure by prayer is only hall
Ie, what does it amount to?
Inc Rev. Mr. Hartley replied that his
ue's HE was saved by prayer, and that
y Just what he prayed for. AS to
lPlete cure, he wanted it understood.
~ he believed in the use of good medl,
leS and good physicians, and that Goa
ed them. - -
finally the Rev. Mr.. HI. Pogson said
~ ne could not believe entirely in faith
ne people who exercised so much
lllan skill in artistic announcements IN
'NS,Spaper advertisements of their gifts.
~ J. Times. y.