The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1885-12-21
Predictions that Civil War Will Certainly
Follow Irish Independence-Some Of
the Reasons Given for This View.
Views of Lord Harrington and the Mar
uuis of LOrne on Irish Home Rule.
What Gladstone Said on the Subject During
His Recent Canvass in ScOtland-MiScel-
laneous News by the Cable.
GLADsToNE,s ALLEGED SURRENDER.
The Excitement 1t Caused in England-Civi
War i'm Ireland Predicted.

The Excitement 1t Caused in England-Civil
War in Ireland Predicted.
LONDON. Dec. 19.-The Marquis of Harting
ton has written the following letter to a news
association with reference to the Irish home rule
scheme:
"As my name has been frequently mentioned
in connection with reports on the subject of a
scheme of Irish policy which is stated to be
under consideration by the leaders of the Liberal
party, and as l shall not, within the next few
weeks, have opportunity of address
ing my constituents publicly, l think
the respect which l owe them justifes me in
writing to you for the purpose of giving the most
emphatic contradiction to all such reports, far
as they relate to myself. No proposals in regard
to the policy to be adopted by the Liberal party
with reference to the demand of larger number
OF Irish members for the legislative independency
of Ireland has been communicated to me- see no
reason to depart in any degree from the declara-
tions made, and opinions I expressed in my
speeches in the late election in Lancashire on
the policy announced by Mr.. Parneil, leader
of the Irish Parliamentary party"
The political excitement caused during the
past week by Mr.. Gladstone's announced surren-
der to the Home rulers exceeded any occasion
during the campaign just closed. The ex-Pre-
mier's published statements surprised nobody
more than his own colleagues in the late govern
ment Earl Spencer, the Liberal Irish Viceroy,
and Mr.. Joseph Chamberlain were utterly as
founded when they learned of Mr. Gladstones
sudden turn-about. They and other Liberal
leaders at once repaired to Hawarden to discuss
the situation with the ex-Premier. Earl Spen-
Ger was so disgusted with Mr.. Gladstone's sur
render to the Parnellites that he refused, when
he saw that the Liberal leader was in earnest, to
discuss the question at the conference which took
place at Hawarden. The Earl of Rosebery, ex
Lord of the Privy Seal however, assured Mr..
Gladstone of his support, Through thick and
thin"
The Daily News this morning publishes an in
terview with the Marquis of Lorne, in which he
said: Little can be learned from Canada and
American experience in favor of what Mr.. Glad
stone calls revolution. On the contrary, the
American government found it necessary to
curtail the powers of the colonies, and the
States devolved power in the federal govern
ment in order to save the Union. Ireland's well
fare depends upon unity to enable her to bor-
row money on easy rates for local purposes, for
which the Canadian system is ample True.
this fails to satisfy the Nationalists, but the
freedom which the Nationalsts desire means the
qualification of vanity at the expense of lifelong
misery. Nobody would lend money to such
state. Secession would find death in war, as in
America. If Parliamentbe be again seen in Dub
lin the patriotic Irshman, equally with the
Englishman and Scotchman, will insist on guar
antees of vital limitations not merely promises,
but essential as part Of its existence. The
maintenance Of an armed force, under imperial
power, would be the most vital limitation"
The Irish Loyalists resident in England are
principally Irish landlords, and constitute a
powerful class. They know the value of delay
and have already organized what they hope will
prove nucleus for coalition of the Wings and
Tories against any combination between the
gagged at present in securing Wing and Tory
pledges from members of the House of Commons
and House Of Lords to oppose any scheme of
home rule proposed by Gladstone which will aim
The strongest argument used to secure English
pledges of this kind is that civil war
in Ireland will be certain TO fol-
low Irish independence Orangemen in
England insist that the threat of the
Ulster Orangemen to resist by war any attempt
of the Parneltes to govern them is no idle
threat, claiming that their brethren on behalf
of the Irish Loyalists, would far rather fight as
rebels than submit to any solution of the Irish
question which involves domination by the Ma
tional League Edmund Lawrence, Grand Mas
ter of the Armagh Orangemen publicly pro-
claims that Ulster will refuse to send delegates
to any Irish Parliament in Dublin, and that the
Loyalists of Ulster will refuse to obey any laws
made by such Parliament and resist by force, if
necessary, its officers in any attempt to exercise
| authority on behalf of it in Ulster.
''The handing of the Irish police" says Mr.
Lawrence. lover to the control of Mr.. Parnell
will hasten civil war in Ireland, because Ulster
will never allow her enemies to get the military
force of Ireland in their hands," He adds 'The
people of the north of Ireland are proud of their
| descent from the men who bafied Jacobite
tyranny and contributed such large quota of
the populace of those colonies which century
ago presented at first passive and then an
active resistance to the exercise of unconstitu-
tional authority. The Loyalists of Ulster firmly
believe that although the native Irish are four
to one against them they can make short work
of this majority in any stand-up fight. At the
mere mention of home rule the men of Ulster
will dismiss all their party disputes and rise up
as one man. The Wings in Ireland are already
joining the Orangemen to oppose home rule.
At first they were merely passive, but now they
| are as active as the Orangemen."
What Mr.. Gladstone Said.
In speech at West Calder, Scotland, on Nov.
IT, referring to recent interview with Mr.. Par