New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1885-09-06

Mr. Kelley appears not 10 have recoeced the name OF
single member OF the deputaton. which consisted OF
the late Distinguished Thomas Garrett OF Delaware;
Alice Eliza Hanbleton oliver Johnson, Dinah Menden-
hall, william Barnard and Eliza Agnew. The duty OF
presenting tho memorial confded to mo- ana IL was
at my personal request that Senator Wmot was ashe"
to Introduce the dcputaton to the President ana that
Mr. Kelley and Others supposed to be in sympathy with
its object were invited TO present So far as regards
Mr. Helloy II would seem that was mistaken ana that
he held the visit both TO time and manner 10 Do tte
less than an impcrtncnce II this hal boon suspected az
the time we certainly should not have obtrudcd our
solves upon his notice. .
According to Mr. Kelley. the minute" rs he calls IT,
ebo ted disoln cd quotation from speech OF tho
President Mt which the latter was sharply aggreved
and having Strengthened himself TO his full height
replied to the Same with an aspcrity OF manner OF
which he had not previously seemed to DC ehpao'o
This statement Is amazing so contradictory OF CON
Temporary reports and Of own clear recolecton' UNIV
can only account for II upon the suprosion tha' MT
Keevs "reminiscences OF this occasion have become IN
the course OF yeas cnanged with those OF
some othcr interview with the President He Ike my
self Is nm old man. and no INST have boon NJ inc
White House many occasions when the ftcs uen' "a7
visit by deputations OF ono sort or anotner ~ po
strange that his memory OF what ne 81" anu ho"'"
should no sladowy now. ] should suspect my own nc
curacy rather than hia II the occasion did not stand OUT
an actor in the mind hal not been specially
alert Having read the al 10 tho President stoon
dire before him when lie orened his lips IN reply an"
solemny declare that his manner ana MIS- WORDS "ero
alike courteous respectful and calm, manifiting 10 OK
element say That bcfttng the subject ana the ocoanlo
70 word OF impatIence or reb1ke escaped MIN Inc
whole dep;ation was pleased and gratfed bythe tone
OF his observations while eyrettny that he was not pre-
norcd M TINT nouent to freedom to the slaves
II is due TO Mr. Iincolns meoy that should bear this
Testimony; otherwise 10 might appear TINT he was gny
of an unpardonabie rudencss. II he was disunehSnru
for my one thing than another.i t wa LOT MS
natience in lsening to those who dihe ed from him.
and for the unruiIled courtesy with winch me-
renlicd 10 them In this case bis sympathy with
the object Of the memorialis's was too strong 10
nermit him 10 address them in the tone described ny MI
Kelley The interview took place juno 70 ls"-
the President az that very moment was more IMAM ha
persuaded that the Aboionsis were right ana waiteu
only for the growth OF public sentiment that woh'
Justify him in doing what they desired Less than three
months afterward his proclamation preliminary 10
c,oncna,lon wasissued and three months later STILL ne
dd the very thing the Progressive Friends asked him 10
do Tint he was glad OF all they and Others ala 10 pro
mare the peopo him in tho steI he desired ana
meant 70 take "a "a ne thought he couid take u
with instice and safety there IA abundant evidence
or course 80 long any doubt remained IN MS own
mind ne 10 whether tho right time 20 take that step MA
come he was compelled TO speak Automatically; nut
that he was ever offended With those VINO sought 10
nnIckon bis steps DO not believe
Az "a tho alleged dlsjontod quotation from MT.
Lincons Springfield speech IL had appeared thousand
times In print In exactly the same shnpe ana was mho
IN perrect good faith In the memorial Mr. Lincoln
o,,,,rv desired TO turn its Iont far 20 mike ~
.en, that Il was no, Incompatible with his conscen
t,ous DELAY TO strike Oh the sbaces Of tho slaves "hA
no sail 10 tho dsputa'ion wns purely explanatory ana
uttered without the least appearance Of neat so ia "
they could discover. Turning a. naturally dh N inc
ae ~ ruE TRfnyr for contcmpornneons report 81 inc
interview. found NV own recoileetions conhTmoa'
From that report quote a. follows;
The President said that ~ he had not been FURNISHED
with cory OF the memorial IN ahyanee' nc conid no.
10 Il. assured hat tic depnnion were not applicant lpr
Office for hs chief trouble vas rom ihs' class o. ie
sons Tho next most roublesone subject was saseIy.
lie agreed with the menoriaists ihat ssVory WI NIo
bu, I'm regard 10 the gays aud means oI us renioVh, W
i," rohabiy differed from theirs. The quotation ~
the memorial from his sprioSdcd speech. wa ncom,
which he indicated his Views "a 70 tho ehcSt upon sasey
self OF the resistance 90 its "Vtenson Tue .tntmens
contained IN that pa'sse VII %o esarS,oato9 cod
abolish slavery John Brown would have done " ehec,
allv such decree would not 20 more binding up.n he
South than The Constitution anh inat cahIot uc
In iha, psrt of the country now Would procaih'uo"
q, freedom he any more ofectlvci --.,...
" johnson said: True Mr. President tho consiitu.
ZION cannot be enforced ~ tho SOUTH bnt yon 90 No.,
% tho, account nterfnit IN" efforts 20 enforce H. ann h
~ arc solcmnly conyinced that the abolition OF
slavery a ind spcn able 20 yOnr success
ih9 a'o, nv ic,ore him and hoped 20 DO rfhuy
directed in the very trying ccnms'ahccs ny "oH "o
was surrounded
be contrast between this contemporary report OF tho
psos,do,fs re,narts ana that % Mr. Kelley, made
,,ve,ty-thrcc years later. f. marvellous indecd INC
,,co are 20 moro alike than a hammer and handsaw
pode. the discrepancies already alluded 10. there IL
,notber circumstance which convnccs me that Sr Kelley
ma, confoundcd the PreHdcnts Interview with the FRO
rost,o Friends with some other one NJ which he hap
IL 4. Lincoln
a,Idep,lv suyposed that hs had terminated the ocro
o,ics and vas turning 20 his desk, WHOM one OF the
women OF the delegation stepped toward him ami bossed
,e-i..ion 20 deiain him while she bore brioi testi
many Mr. Lincoln IL represented "a saying win an
,r -, M snb1ued mpatonce, VIII hear tho Friend
IA ,eu ,r Kollcy proceeds 60 tell MS that the esti
,onv was ostensbly plea in behalf Of tho slave but
,denty intended as indirect plea for the fuller
oa,tton 81 women In governmental matters: for tho
snester after reminding tho President that when tho
sudr, NJ Irael had been terribly wrongcd for twenty
o,rs and had cried unto the Lord for deveranoe, Ho
h,d appolnted Deborah who was prophecies ana
ded srae at that time to overthrow their oppressors
and c,nanoipae them. and that Deborah had gone mp
a,os, s.era whom tho Lord discounted. with all his
oo and all his hosts, that slsera lsaped down on
Lls chariot aud fed away ON ms rect MheTenlon AIDS
~ eaSf assumed thst the President was "a Deborah
had been tho appointed minister o. the Lord ana pro
$3.50 ~ Deborah, and forthwith abolish slavery, ana
IA Freedom throughout the land. as the Lord had
oitea him to do" Tho President Is represented TO
Rave listened 70 this speech most impatenty; and 70
no snnhied the speaker venture 10 say, he never
ia any woman who came into his presence
Now a. cannot believe that this story Is an outright
t.r"n1rn T nm forced 20 conclude that Mr.. Kelley
refers TO something that took place on another oocason
thoug even In that case must doubt that president
ia aver behaved IN tho way described The simple
truth l. that neither Of tho three women deesatcs nor
anv other woman, spoke word on the occasion referred
' Te only pcrsDn besides tho reader OF the memorial
Who said anything was staiwart Quaker Farmer OF
bestr County Penn foil six feet in height and as
,f,.1a i've "A woman M any man ever was-Wiam
Raroard by nano. He indeed made Scripture refer
@ hnt A. was not Deborah, but 70 Queen Esther aud
Is 5,,ervenon with Ahasnerns for the deverancc OF
me trws from the Vaccinations OF Halnan The Pros.
dat uened most respectfully 10 this little speech, not
oar vo minutes I'm length. and, according 10 THE TRi
s RAPPORT responded very mpressiyoly. soying that
he 80 deeplv sensible OF his need OF Divine assistance
lie had soetlmes thought that perhaps he might be an
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