St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1885-01-27
the afternoon, and very promptly at the hour,
the president of the chamber called the meet

tue city council 10 issue SloU,UUU III LHiIl
years five per cent. bonds. for the benefit c
the fire department, and supported 1t with.
few remarks, explaining the situation as re
CARDS the department and its necessities.
MIR. Driscol asked that the resolution
laid on the table for the time, and until a
the requests for bonds have been received
and 1t was so laid upon the table.
Or motion of Mr.. Gilman the chambe
voted In favor Of the bill now before the leg
islature for the Issuance OF 100000 o
bonds.
SUBMITTING TO THE PEOPLE.
Gen. Bishops motion was then taken up
This motion is to the effect that no NOR
bonds be issued by the city of St. Paul unles
the same be submitted to the people.
Mr.. Cochran thought we did not appreciat
the situation, and that We ought to go slow
There is no escape. If we are going on a
the rate talked of in the morning we vii
have bonded indebtedness of SIS, 600, 900
There is not city in the Union where th
real estate Is assessed as high ia proportion
to Its value as in st. Paul. This was denied
by Mr.. Noyes and Fairchild, but sustained
by Mr.. Upham. Mr. Cochran then proceeded
and said that at any rate we are assessed on
very high valuation. We ought to g
slow. In times like these we ought t
be more careful than usual. What is gooC
for private individuals is good for munich
palities. He thought one ought TO be con
sentative and be careful not to ieopardize thu
financial Standing of the city.
Mr.. Oppenheim argued generally against
the statements made by Mr.. Cochran. HI
thought that bonds issued for public improve
ments would never be regretted.
At this point the talk ran off into a dis
cuss,on on the water works and Mr. Driscol
declared that the water works board was con.
Quoted on such an extravagaut basis and
water cost 50 much that manufacturing
could not be carried on in St. Paul. At this
poiut the president declared the discussion
out of order, and the bond business was
taken up.
Mr.. Noyes maintained that we ought
to have permission tofs issue bond;
during the next two years, asthe Legislature
will not sit again for that period. He denied
Mr.. COchran's statements in regard to the
real estate valuation. He did not think al
were taxed u the full valuation of their real
estate. He did not like the penny wise and
pound foolish style of doing business.
A vote was then taken on Gen. Bishops
motion, after it had been amended, on mo-
tiou OF Mr.. Falrchild, so as to make 1t read
as follows: That no more bonds be issued
by the city of st. Paul unless the same be
submitted to the people, except the same be
recommended by the chamber of commerce
and the city council. On calling the ayes
aud noes it was found the motion was lost.
The next matter taken up was the PROPOSE
ton TO issue $3.50, 900 for the benefit of the
fire department, and Mr.. Delano argued In
favor Of it.
Mr.. Oppenheim was in favor of improving
the fire department, but he would insist upon
having a reduction of the rates of insurance.
The insurance companies promised thst they
would reduce the rates when We improved
the fire department. We have improved it,
and We have put water on st. Anthony hill,
still there is no reduction. Let us see a re-
duction of rates.
Mr.. Chauncy Seabury argued in favor Of
the bonds
Capt. Berkey could not see what we wanted
a city council for. The council has recon-
mended $50, 900 in bonds for the fire depart
ment, and now we asked for $3.50 900. He
declared we ought not to recommend ii.
Fires in five or six story blocks are bound to
burn the building 10 the ground. Such build
ings are burned down in New York. Forty
steamers cannot put out such a ire. Tie
building is bound TO burn to the ground. He
moved TO amend by making the amount
$50, 900, and the amendment prevailed. after
which the motion as amended was adopted.
Alderman Griggs was asked for a state
ment of all the bonds which the city intended
to apply for and he read the following schcd-
ule:
For city hospital ...................... S25, OOC
For city work house ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS. p ,OOC
For city s-h oOls. ................... $4,000
For city IRE department ............... $4,000
tor city sewers. ................... $50 OOI
For city halle ......-.............. SOO,OOO
Half OF the latter to be placed on the
county.
Mr.. Gilman proposed tina, the sewer bond:
be taken up which was done.
General Bishop thought the sewers stood
on the same footing as the water bonds and
be did not know how much more than $2S,
600 would be needed.
Mr.. Driscoll wanted to know how the re-
volviug fund spent, Sl.55 was assessed on
every foot Of property for lateral sewers and
the main sewers were already laid
Mr. Cochran asked Aid. Van Slyke II any
report had been made to the council embrac-
ing an estimate.
Aid. Van Slyke replied in the negative,
bat in many parts Of the city the main sew
ers we're not built, and In the Fifth ward
alone, including Dayton bluff, sl50,O0O will
be required.
Mr.. Cochran said the estimate was first
600, 900, aud has now grown 10 $3.50, 900.
MIR. DriscOl moved that the estimate on
sewer bonds be cut down to 500, 900. The
motion was carried.
The school bonds were next taken up, and
aud DR.. Murphy being called upon explained
that there are hundreds OF children unpru-
yided with school room. The board Of edu-
cation has been blamed for not providing
riom, but 1t has built to the extent OF their
money; four new buildings were erected last
year, and four will be built this year, AMI the
same number next year, aud for this purpose
$50. 900 each year will be wanted. Wnen the
four now contem plated are flushed they will
be filed NJ once, and still there will be
children for whom there will be no room in
the schools.
Mr.. DriscOll moved that bonds for $780,
600 for school buildings be recommended.
The mo';on was carried unanimously.
Mr.. 0ppenheim moved that SI4. 600 bonds
be issued for building the approaches to The
Third street railroad Bridge; the motion was
carried. The workhouse bonds were next
brought mp but CTpt. Berkey thought
that the chamber could discuss the question
more intelligeutly If they had more Iufurma.
ton rs to the use to which the money was 10
be applied, aud moved that Il be laid over
Carried.
Mary calls were then made for the cousid-
GRAFTON Of the court house bonds. and Mr.
Driseoll called FOR information on the SUD
ject.
Capt. BerkPy said that $500, 900 had al
ready been asked for and provided, and nov
$500, 600 more we're to be asked for. Tie
could not see why much had been said about
the state capitol and its being badly BULL; be
considered Il we'll 6uils, and the best mater
ials bad been used. Faults there were and some
errors made, but the building was well built
and only cost S400, 600, sud IL was erected
when material aud labor were both higher