The Dallas weekly herald. [volume] (Dallas, Tex.) 1873-1885, 1885-10-29

ABOUT GRANT AND JOHNSON
moUuiioagh, nntier aud OthofA Tot
what ihey Know, aud Frank hurr
unts isis SOCK Largely Advsr.
tised--rhs Weight of Evi-
dence Against Dcpow,

nin ~ .ffH HF'A'f
NR N'CULLoU0u SAID:
"Thl. all new u une. Inever heard
anythiug Of the kind bstore. tits
comll q. surpgis0 ana challenges
my crsdullty Without argu-
meat. What makes mo doubt the
correctness Of Tho btatomout ia that
the por.oial rslatiouR hotweon Prssl-
dent lhuson and General Grant were
of tho most friendly character up 20
the time Of which General Grant, as
acting secretary OF war, yielded MS
chair % secretary stanton, Ano that
was year or moro et,or tnose occur
rene sr8 reported 20 have taken
plaSs. L L. 10. possible for ma 10 dSny
The correctness OF MIR. Dapsw's uarra-
tive, because IL may have happened
lust az he alleges General Grant said 1t
did. can only repeat that 10 Is the
first tune / ever heard OF IL, and r pro-
position Involving 80 much l really
think would have been spoken OF and
talked about, and hardly Kept secret
these 10 years
Mr. Mccullough regretted that he
haG not memoranda from which ne
could speak positively, but said others
had, and ne did not doubt but that the
charge would DO utterly disproved,
MIR DEPEw,
in speaking of the matter TO re-
pOrCsr said: "General Grant talked to
ms for uearly two hours, and his
speech was 30 graphic that few men
would forget what he said. The story
impressed me very much nc tho time,
ana my memory OF it is quite clesr aud
reliable. He told me the story about
job uson in great detail. / said to him:
General, this Is more interesting aud
important than any OF tho recorded
events happening since the war. You
ought 10 write oat the facts
''Tho general replied. that for yesrs
he mad wished 10 make a written
record of that part OF American his
tory, but that he found no time for the
task. urged that these facts proved
thai the country had been ON the verge
of auothcr great revolution, perhaps
graver than the other, and that tho
people ought to know it. The general
said he hopes in time TO wri.e the
story.
"Tsso or three days before he vent TO
Mout McGregor, / had tslS with
him.
G.General,' l said do you remember
this Story you told me some years ago
about President Johnson's ex.raoidi-
nary effort at the period Of reconsiruc-
ton
"I remember it well,' he repiiod.
"tHave you included IL in your ne
moirs Of the war" / asked.
"tNo,' no said, Il have never writtea
it,
.'I suppose General Grant did not
want To- make the matter public &C that
time, not being willing to provoke 81
controversy, as he realized that he was
Il ma man. He told me nothing
81 nan what ne told johnson, that
Id drive the illegal Congress
q. 10 capitol at the point or the
b Grant was very earnest In
d arsation. You SEQ il john
~ position had been carried out, |
a les of the North would proba- |
b., controlled Congress, aud |
So assures as the fifteenth amend-
j.. ~ "a the constitution might have
been defeated"
Being asked il he knew of any cor
roborative facts, Depew replied: !
DWELL, 1 ses that General sherman
eral Horace Porter was acquainted
with the matter. Besides, Vice-Presi- |
dent Frank Thompson, of the Penn
sylyania railroad, told me yesterday |
that years ago, ex-Judge Jeremiah |
Black informed him OF JOhnson's inten- |
ton. Johnson sent for Black and laid |
before him the plan which he had laid |
before Grant. He asked Black for his |
aid ia carrying out the scheme. You
know that Black had been attorney
general in Buchanan's cabinet, and |
was very warm advocate of John
sons side. Black heard all that john
son hsd to say, and when the whole
plan was revealed, he said,
"Yau have left one important factor
of yonr calculation, Mr.. President
TsVhst is that? johnson asked.
"eHell,' was Blacks reply"
The Boston Transcript prints an in
terview with
GEORGE II. GORDON,
who commanded the district of East |
ern Virginia in 1865. General Gordon
says that tho history ofthe change OF
policy OF Johnson's administration is
still = sscres. He gives the names of
over 80 re Del leaders, including Hamp-
ton. Early, Wise, Ould. Longstreet, !
Prior aud Hunter, who were
indicted for. high treason by
the grand jury OF the United
States district court at Norfolk, at the
instance OF The government, and says |
that on June 8, 1865, the government
made inquiry Of him, through General |
Orrs, how the proceedings against the
surrendered officers were progressing. |
1t is evident tina; the terms OF cspitu-
latiop OF General Leo could not be
inside to cover the cases of Seldom,
who was the rebel secretary of war up
to che carly part OF 1865, or OF Faulkner
or Wise, Tor they were not surren- |
dered officers of the Confederate army |
of Northern Virginia. General Cor
don says he never knew why or how |
tha proceedings were quasheo, nor
what changed President Johnson'spur-
pose, but IL confident that it was not
She argument OF q broken down, ruined !
aristocracy,to take hun up and make |
him one OF themselves.
BEN BUTLER'S BUDGET.
The Commeroial Advertiser pub
fishes au interview with General But
Ter 10y its Boston correspondent
or ino Grant johnson contro-
versy. General Butler says there are
many ressons why the charge that |
Johnson desired to revolutionizs the |
government was not brought up
In the Impeachment trial. The
chief reason, and the conclusive
one, was that the offense was
not charged in the articles OF impoach-
ment, aud he (Butler), as counsel in
the case, did not care to offrr incompe-
tert testimony. The charge YVES
not embodied in the articles
OF i'm impeachment because 1t could not
be proved. The talk between General
Grant aud Johnson, his commander-in-
chief. was in the nature Of q
privileged Communication, and that
General Grant SO held was shown by
the fact that he did not declare 1t until
long after Johnson's death.
"There was another project OF Pres
idont Johnson's to rev0lut10nlze the
Tovornment, some OF the details OF
which could not be proven, which had
not taken the form OF action ana
which were not brought into the I'M
peachment proceedings. !, my
self. had some very stroDg
moral evidence on two pc 6sttons which
I did not care to mako known to the
public in the impeachment proceed
lngs, but one'of which I investigated |