New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1884-09-08
ENGLAND AND THE SOUDAN.
ATALK WITH JUDGE BATCHELLER.
FUrLIrY OF AN EXPEDITION TO RELIEVE ooRDo'

SARATOGA, Sept. 6.-In conversation with a
TRIBUNE correspondent General George s. Batcheler,
FOR years United states Judge Of the international
Tribunal In Egypt. recently gave his views OF Egyptian
| affairs a. follows:
The rebellion I'm the soudan Is simply tho contnua-
ton another field In remote part OF Egypt OF the
revolution OF Arabi The anodatc even the up
rising In Lower Egypt against which England sent her
forces two years It my opinion that the religious
excitement under the lead Of the called Mahd plays
only secondary role in the matter As far back as
1876 the English Anti-Sayery Society inspired by &C
given by Livingston Samuel Baker Of the
atrocities OF the slave trade in Central Africa urged the
English Government to Impress upon the Khediye the
necessity Of its suppression The result OF these efforts
was the negotiation between England and Egypt OF n
treaty whereby the Khcdiyo undertook the suppression
OF the slave trade within the borders or his domains
which he pretended extended south Of the equator
II should be noted here this treaty mention
Of the buying and selling Of white for the
Egyptian harcms This would have greatly deranged
the internal economy Of the ruling classes Of Egypt
This treaty not only involved the maintenance OF a
largely increased force the s0udn but the patrol Of
several warships and gunboats the Red Sea, and
added at least 100000 annually to the Egyptian
| budget.
This treaty completed It became necessary % have
Governor OF the soudan capable and willing to put in
force. Consequently England loaned to Egypt Colonel
Gordon. known Chinese Gordon. OF the Royal
Artillery. for that purpose. lie made Pacla and
invested by KhcdYe with plenary powers Cover
nor Of the soudan ana all tho khediye's Equatorial
PROVINCES, with headquarters at Khartoum Gordon
entered upon his duties with Characteristic energy and
enthusiasm. He at proclaimed the abolition OF the
slave trade and to rigid for
It's execution 10 should be known that all the com
merce and trade Of the SOudan provinces Of Central
Africa Is carried by the chiefs OF tribes, and paid
labor IS unknown in that country. all manual
labor ia done 10y slaves. There horses and few
camcs elephants employed OF transports-
ton The trader OF the interior in the habit OF load
his merchandise Of ivory feathers and upon the
hacks OF slaves who brought them northerly
markets Here ne sold his entire including his
human merchandise, and returned for fresh supplies.
"Gordon adopted the system Of conhscation, selling
tho ivory and gums in the name Of the Government The
men conhscatcd for soldiers, and The and
| children turned loose 10 SHIFT for themselves II
has been questioned whether this manner Of giving
liberty 10 those slaves materially improved their condi-
ton "a the women were usually bound ont servants
and the condition OF the in the regiments vas 70
them ut least the worst sort OF bondage. This system
made short Of the save IN the soudan.
10 alsO ruined thousands OF merchants not only In
Central Africa but i'm Cairo and Alexandria. l have in
my possession documents i'm bankruptcy before the
international Tribunal I'm which parties seek to render
the E-} ptan Government responsible for damages by
the conscaon> Of Cor lon The result Of all this was TO
create In those regions intense hatred 10 everything
pertaining 10 the kAcdyes Government Gordon re-
mainc1 about three years this work aud at the
meut when the advance Of Arab Pacha began 20 be
seriously felt in Egypt resigned and returned to Eng
Land. lie replaced at khartoum by an Egyptian
Pacha who doubtless bad little heart ia continuing Cor
dou'- work. During the Arab revolution Ittie was
The English troops arrived in Cairo English
began to assume the direction Of Egyptian affairs IL
was found. least suspected. that tie slave trade
NI I'knE r5c"g ,o ~ whether NV Tintnc a. mi.
IN DFI
dan provinces i'm perfect oder maintaining az every
n"nt The kbedive'. authority was recalled and he
fortunate iIck, Pdcha sent In his place. HICKS was
sent the public understood 10 suppress the uprising
Of the MaLdi hut in fact This uprising nothing
more nor less than the resistance of the chiefs and
of those provinces 10 Kheiival rule. 70 them the
Khcye- authority meant destruction of their business.
conf~catiOu and ruin. TIey undoubtedly put the Nahdl
IN the front tnat would cover their rea purpose ana
tend 10 -aucy in the eyes OF all good their
resistance 10 Egyptian authority The history OF Hes
Tdcna and his expedition 4. well known. II resembles
without eu,ering into the shifting policy of England
at Sasm anJ otter points aons the Red Sea to regain
lost trrrif'ry ythont 5nparent motive h t. evident to
That England considers these provinces essential to
the security of the lgypuan delta. The mission of Cor
don hac 10 Kharoum has been hroude in more 0r less
| my .tcry. Whether he went 10 re-estab~h Khedval
authority the lost provinces asserted at The
time To- ,upcrIucud The ahan comment Of Khart9um amt
brine on - garrison f. t unknown. Certain b D. that
had Gordon desired o eYac1tc khdroum az the time Lee
vent As ne went there alone aud uu-uirded he cou'd
have returned with tie same liberty aud venture To-
assert that % he would march ou of the fortress win hs
garrison to-day. proclamlns ms intention OF returning
To Cairo. he would meet with no serious RESISTANCE
"1hc-e Soudaue.r are "a shrrWd ICOpic. Ihcy are
better ycrscd history and ccogra DIV than we arc apt
10 tNc mem r.' ' ioi' n,. @ 'l"M ,,"' tr7
would be- gained by INJURY To le person %, Not-
don. They admire hi4 pluck and dash, ana they re-
spect h7 upIiGht ami bltucIcs' lie lie understands
tine situation perfectly How logical IL was knowing IS
hc did that the discomfort of those provinces was caused
tou his rc-cstahshing u with all It's horrible
/ characteristics and immwltic- This tuoAe of pol,y
WA logical although morality has been very Justly
+" tho proposcd expedition for the rcof ~ Cor
lllit IA aud D.
taking sp llcrculoJu an enterprise when onlN wei
vcr,od Egyptian affairs It, has the double detect ol
to stcmn forecast tho motive. witch uctuntc Gr"at
britain In her fHrcEG r"uy Az , WIcu I, g'o n.t
people acquainted with tao topography ol the country
lons lis rapid, mako It dauscrou, to navigate At high
water, uud b.. shoals are us much io Ice dreaded Al low
wltcr Moreover 10, banks arc high that gnnhoat,
nnd mot Or nt AN cucuy ou the shore. aud troops would
have n hr dehukrd to protect tho Nuillt Ana Wuht -
the motive England has proclaimed the wisdom OF tho
abandonment ~ tho souluu, ltt, To sayc uoon. ami
n ODD, fr {. really Ia dancer he will certainty De Ha'u-
feed sheer vengeance long before the rtpedoh can
reach is destination. tho foruc.sof khutoum, as
| am assured 10y military men whO nave frequently m
spcccd t could not resist vigorous sic - u9 ,u'
~ 10000 What the soudau wants Is NOT the me
81 hut to be rid o the expressions ana cNslo9
Ut the khcdiya Government lhe> VIII ie,',t a" .'In9u
force brought Tor the purpose Of re- ESTABLISHING h rue
they did az lrnklt,t and onahm. bnt Iney 90 no'
seek the Invasion OF Lower IglPI nor ~. W., i'
dee of human lile whether Christian or Iahomttsn m
10 would take too long To 20 INTO detail REGARDING lne
trouble To Egypt The commerce in gums feather, ana
d1
The large foreign colony unanimously opPoSru TO
English rlle There are 10000 Greeks, loOOO lt'idnS
mi In 400 Frpurhmeu. They have large interests
which have not been helped by the English Gladstone
evidently wishes be just IN the matter D' Jl5os
,l moi iet him .usria has large interests IN Egypt
and If looks as If Bismarck the occult power hi Di1Arh
nm The international Egyptian Conference IN July Eng
i1rd ntnes her occupation the ground OF hu laly
AMI 'nrc.rryiur order. Bat never lived In more
orderly and pcaccshie place man Carp Oh l'N''''
before the English occupatou.'
NOW HE STRUCK THE RIGHT COHB4NI-
TION.
From ne 4aaatd constitution
l. Io min aI