The Hawaiian gazette., 1884-07-16

answer. hepreSelbatINe hdlua COutluueu
and said that 1t seemed as though i was
the intention OF the Ministers to wait and
allow Representatives to put in amounts
and then they tthe Ministersl would charge
the members with having swelled the
amount Of appropriations to more than the
sum asked by the Ministers.
Representative Smith said, previous APP
preparation Bills had the item in, that OF
1SS1 and 1882 having the amount (esti-
mated as required Now the Minister
does not ask for 81 for that purpose. Con
sidered that the Minister of Interior ought
to state the amount that the Government
intsnded should be asked for.
The Munster of Interior said that he
| had intended to ask for the insertion of
several items in the Bill when the proper
time came. Now he would.move that the
following items be referred to Special
Committee.
Repairs TO Government buildings. Re
pairs and furniture for Aliiolani Hale.
Kerosene warehouse. Building and re
pairs of court houses and lockups I'm
proyement and extension of water works
for Honolulu. Improvement and extern
sion of Oahu Jail. New steam tug and
steam launch for Honolulu harbor. Dredg-
ing the harbOr and entrance to Honolulu.
New wharyes and repairs, Honolulu. Re
pairs to landings Aid to the Royal Ha-
waiian Agricultural Society. General i'm
provement to public grounds, squares and
nurseries Road damages.
Representative Smith asked again,
what sums do the Ministers propose for
those objects"
The Minister Of the Interior said that
he had not deemed it advisable to ask for
any special sum and he could not just
then; the question would rest with the
Assembly how far it was deemed proper
to advance these projects, and the estl-
mates could then be made by them
Representative Smith thought that there
had never been presented to any Assembly
such complete admission of Ignorance
and Incompetence as that Just made by
the Minister Of the Interior when he stat
ed that he could not present the amounts
for the items Article LXXV of the Con
stitution plainly states that The Legs
lature votes the appropriations blennlally,
after due consideration of the revenue and
expenditures for the two preceding years
and the estimates of the revenue and 'ex-
penditures for the two succeeding years,
which shall be submitted to them by the
Minister of Finance" Itmight have done
for the Minister TO have presented some
new item, that came up in the course OF
the consideration OF the Bill, without an
estimate. but these items, for the Assembly
to be told that the Ministers cannot furn-
ism any estimates, displays most lament
able ignorance or culpable negligence.
The speaker considered that there had
never been such an exhibition of official
incompetence on the part Of the Ministry,
ever placed before an Assembly. Of
course if the Ministers cannot do their
duty in this respect the Assembly must.
Representative Dole said that he consid-
cred it the duty of the Ministers to pre-
sent the financial budget to the Assembly.
An Appropriation Bill containing, in COM
parison, only a few of the really heavy
estimated expenditures for the coming
biennial period is not financial budget,
as expressed and understood under the
law. The Assembly is entitled to have
every item which the Ministers place in
/ the budget submitted to the Represents
| tives in dollars and cents. The Ministry
seem to lack the courage to stand up and
do things properly. He objected to the
consideration Of any item, unless an esti-
mated amount appeared with it. The As
sembly was fully entitled to receive this
consideration at the hands of the Minis
tiers, they can supply the figures and they
must. (Applause)
The Minister of Foreign Affairs took up
the cudgel in defense OF the Minister of
Interior and stated that the Minister was
prepared to furnish figures, only that II
had been thought best to permit the Rep
resentatives reconsider the extent (Which
they felt inclined to forward the proposed
measures and allow the estimates to be
made by them. He considered the motion
of his colleague opportune and hoped ii
would pass.
Representative Nawahi took the floor
and moved that the Committee take re
cess until 1.30 pm. Carried.