New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1884-07-05
THE TALK IN CHICAGO.
STRENGTH OF THE CANDIDATES.
CLEVELAND THE MOST PROMINENT fi"uRf-"AN-
DALI AID MpoNALD EQUALIV MA'C''p'
InY rNIFnRAPn r. rnE rhlhINhI

e. a. mar, ,ro ahle than MARES wa oh we t''
Cos. the convention met we're To h'"e'e """'
80 ,,a the friends OF the other candidates. """ "
-. ,aa,.i,pd had No chance all hut tn cnnNen"'n
must be assured that Cleveland oauno' carry W." ~,
., that n. will be weaker than -'n'"""
there before u viii leave him The Wh'' li,"
c,,,e AT stake here II 10 cHnV "
yorh For an other purposes the c"n'en""' ~" "
-. ,ou NOT IN asaembling A few persona whose n""'hs
arc over deAire TO from the wreck the" op'"'"'
and therefore herr will he some attempt mahe !" nav
,osinyr expression against high pro'e'uon hu' 80
.hon,a o.r any votes TO the ticket which IA to carry
New.yorh n will he snccscd over diHEuiS"u' Nv" "
an,., sarn to have recognition ~ tho nsis" "'''
eoup,ed with how,ias 81 ~ much bounty '" ''"' ,
nst. and n, ,nnfaotnrcrs rhua hoth the pN'uV' ''n
are tnsonsihy adding forco 10 the movement " w"
o.ueral nuter the rrcoHnised ho""' - 49,
,n.nt which The most distinguished man porh"ps
IN Chicago In busines. here. Aad to me """" wv wv
issno OF all Issues within four years
~ rena,ns 10 be seen whether faminahy hau an" wv
friends of other any and States can osSe tue
pre,sion now pretty general thai Cevehhd Is the "n
ran who can get the independent vote sone resio'
that Tammauy Hall did not come carrier nut 80
lands opp nents say It IA well 10 iet hahh'ns' r
ana the professional takers OF Cleveland get 'nD s
throat ny next saturday. when TammanY Hall VIII NJ
rive full OF luags and spirit Kelly Is not now W '"o
nostion he was four years ago or oahisiou
man merely looking al the convention from '"o "
bepches Mr. Manning who put hun IN the parry i''.
October put HIM still further at saratoga reoehty an"
he A
was in 1876 The feeling has intenshed throuHn""'
Tammany Hall and has even extended 70 Kings county,
that Cleveland means 10 rule without the regular Doo
Gratis and through the new elements. Iammshy mas
great unpopuarity among the intense "Eno"-hotn'"S
Find of nat,. Americans There Is large proporen OF
the Democratic party which is more kno"-noInlhS
than nv nortiop of the Republican party THIS mas peen
brought about by the combined supremacy OF the foreign
element within the Democratic lines IN many u .Ho
states 1t is the in California New 1Ork "huIn
Ohio Chicago ruled by combination OF the foreign
srs under Harrison the Mayor II is not uncommon mere
IN find man standing UP in hotel and damnlng the
Irish and especially Kelly. Yet the hostility 10 lam
many will not prevent II receiving eoo1
hearing here. Two nights ago went over
MIR Gibbouss list in Flowers interest anu
among the persons assured me were against CieVeahu
WIS smith NJ Weed the old lieutenant Of Tilden Weed
turned ue yesterday and sad he was for Ceveinu liza"
he had better opinos OF Mr. Flower than most peope'
and that he was perhaps ADLER man IN some resc
than Cleveland but that Cleveland was the demsnI Oh
his constituents and perhaps tue only person "Ao 0
draw the Independent vote
THE REPUBLICAN DIsAFFECTION
had a little talk yesterday with MI smilley late Sec-
rotary OF the National Committee under Barnum anu u
said: can outlet except Cleveiands homha'u
We want to take OF the Republican olSanecon
Now" said Mr. smalley, We have large number Oh
irish in Vermont where 1--we and they are not against
Cleveland at all Besides many OF the statements
hear made against Cleveland are foolish am Sal'"'t
ne New York delegation ana th"u VIII
hiring him the vote OF Vermont and considerable vote
besides from, New England has think. nearly half
the Massachusetts delegation for second choice II not
for first"
William Hudson OF Brooklyn, long legislative reporter
for The Eagle there. paper which has been supporting
Bayard against Cleveland says thlt IN the Ne"-h"iA
delegation forty i've votes FOR CoV'nu anu
all the rest are scattering and that Cleveland week or
two ago had down thry-eight votes but Is now
stronger Mr. Hud-Ou's affiliations ar with cleveland
you anayze this statement 10 Il little signihcah|
II takes thirty-six to tie the Newfofk delegation
Clevelands strength. Mr. Hudson says, had run down
10 tbirty-eight TIL within few days ms Will account
for the satisfaction Of the mt-Cleve'nd men, ana 81
tho Flower men, claiming that they have got cleveland
beaten There are Therefore. twentv-Scven votes not
for Cleveland and divided up among Flower Bayard'
slocum Randall. Mcdonald aud Butler. II remains 10
be seen whether the Convention viii be impressed win
the idea that Cleveland not strong enough II the De
mocrncy Of New-York TO risk campaign with him
Everybody here believes that he will To some extent
divide that Democracy and they pivot on the question
whether there are enough Independcntst to bridge MN
over william H. Kan, Of New York. says that the pro-
fc.sonal independents Ike Curtis Horace Nhite &C.
are not to depended that they have no natural
cohesion political but that there Is business
class In NewYork which he estimates ~ high Is 10000
votes which would vote for Cleveland over Blaine
THE WHOLE ARGUMENT CHANGED.
Consequently the whole argument here has altered
The Republican kickcrs" get but little respect among
30 900 hasness "kickers" who must he brought into
the party Against this the argument Is made that Tam
many Hall can $4,000 men, that her animated bodies
IN tho other cities Will bring the vote mp TO 100000 ana
that Mr. KcIy's vote in 1879 or about 10000 viii be
sweed ny the natural OF the State and other
things to 600 enough TO blot Grover Cleveland out
One OF the richest citizens OF Chicago said to me yes
terday: I was going against Blaine and Logan
but | II l do not support BIne the spectre OF
Ben Butler looming VI. It'll clear to me- sad
CHI. hat
great body OF the Northern Democrats In his
hands and n there solid South he would surely
be the nominee OF this Convention Butler means the
labor question ali its forms and we are not yet ready
for the Re ubcan party out Of the way we can
not tell what shape the Democracy might assume
Butler" said ne balance OF power now, enough to
dictate the Presidency the other Of these regular
party candidates"
Mr. Weaver Of Iowa, formerly a Republican, who has
een sent to Congress Green6ack issue, Is one
OF and independent OF Butler men here,
though President himself and he Is now Tor
Butler perhaps with IDEA that the ultimate ticket
will be Butler and Weaver He claims that while the
Democratic party OF in Iowa, thar the
labor party the antiDrohbition party, etc. Is strong
enough Democrats to wipe out the Republican
majority He says that the Republican; only have about
1000 natural majority all the opposition IN that
This gentleman asked 10 say now Butler could
be nominated in the Convention He said that he had not
charge OF that matter the Convention had bet
Ter see It's own interests. and that soon.
CALIFORNIA LOGGING FOR TILDEN.
1t seems on minsliRg with the California delegation
their choice is Cleveland. il he their
second They hold invncbly to the hope that Tden
could be made TO Now they have become as ell
tbusastic for Thurman Ohio Next Thurman they
talk Cleveland some. but hearkening 10 the
the last makes them fear that New-Nork is not
safe with cleveland Nearly all the delegates say frankly
that Blaine is powerful man on the Pacific Coast