St. Paul daily globe. [volume] (Saint Paul, Minn.) 1884-1896, 1884-07-09
whether If the motion made by the gentleman
from Louisiana prevails. 1t will not have the
temporary organization Of this convention with

temporary organization of this convention with
out any rules.
The Char-That is question for the conyen-
ton to decide. The motion is to adopt certain
rules. The original resolution and the motion to
lay ON the table has reference only to the amend
ment. We have no rule. The object of the
motion is to constitute rules.
Cries Of "Mr. Chairman and "question."
The Chairman-There is no debate to be al
lowed upon the motion to lay upon The table.
Mr.. Menze, of Indiana Il moved for division
of the question
The Chalrman-The motion is to lay upon the
table both amendments. The motion is for d.
vision OF the question.
A DelegGte-Read the resolutions. The sec
rotary did so.
The Chairman-Now gentlemen of the con-
vention, motion has been made to lay upon the
table these amendments
Several Deegates--Mr. Chairman
The Chairman will not recognize you until
l state the proposition. A motion has been made
by the gentlemen from Louisiana, to table both
amendments, pending which motion is made for
division of the question, which is always in Or
der. The motion before the house, therefore,
now is, shall the amendment to the amendment
be laid upon the table
Mr.. Grady rise to ask question.
The Chairman-A gentleman from New York
wishes to ask a question.
Mr.. Wallace of Pennsylvania rise to par
liamentary inquiry, if the vote of the convention
be to lay these amendments upon the table, must
not the original resolution, according to parlia
mentary law, also go to the table?
The Chalrman-I sustain the point of order of
the gentleman from Pennsylvania, that is if he
makes the point of order. l answer the ques-
tion. that under parliamentary usage, motion
to lay the amendments on the table, takes the
whole question, all would be laid upon the table.
The question is not subject to debate.
~. l.
motion, and in in its place / move the previous
question.
Mr.. Chairman-Does the motion receive q
second?
Several delegates 81 second the notion
The Chairman-The motion to lay upon the
table has been withdrawn motion for the
previous question, which has received second,
has been made.
Mr.. Menzic-I withdraw the amendment to the
amendment.
Several delegates-Mr Chairman
The Cbairman-No debate can be allowed upon
the motion.
Mr. Menzie--With the consent of my second
withdraw the amendment to the amendment,
with the privilege of reofering it at subsequent
time.
The Chairman-With the consent of the
convention, whose property it is, it will be with
drawn.
Mr.. Francis, of Missouri move the previous
question OH the amendment.
The Charman-It is not in order The ques-
tiou is upon the motion for the previous
question. Shall the previous question be now
put?
Mr.. Grady rise to point of order.
The chairman-The gentleman will state his
point of order.
Mr. Grady-My point of order is that, as
made the notion have right to the close of
the debate. Laughter.
The chair-Under the general rule as recog
nZed in congress-here the voice OF the chairman
was drowned in the uproar
deegate-l rise to another question of in
quiry.
The chair-What is the question?
delegate-lt is, sir, whether under general
parliamentary law, gag law, called the previous
question, exists.
The chair-The motion for the previous ques
ton must be recognized in this assembly. 1t is
with the convention to determine whether it shall
be passed or not and under the operation of that
law, the chair cannot hear any further debate.
Applause and cries of good
Mr. Burke, of La.-If any delegate upon this
floor desires to continue the discussion, will
withdraw the motion.
The Chair.-The motion is for the previous
question. Shall the main question now be heard
which motion was put to vote by the chair.
The chair-The main question is ordered. The
motion now Is upon the amendment to the
amendment having been withdrawn. The ques-
ton was then put to vote and there being an I'M
certainty as to the vote of the delegation, the
call of the roll of states was asked.
The Chair-Let the roll be called of the states.
The question is upon the adoption of the amend
ment to the original resolution.
Senator Thurman, of Ohio-lLoud applause
greeted the speaker as he arose. Mr.. Chair
man, rise TO parliamentary inquiry. Has the
vote been taken on the motion for the previous
question?
The Chair-The chair stated that the vote
upon ordering the main question has been put
and carried. The question now upon the adop-
ton OF the amendment to the original resolgtion.
Senator Thurman--I did not so understand it,
there much confusion, but if the chair
rules that the question is on the amendment Of
fered by Mr.. Grady to the original, then l have
no objection.
The Chair Proceed with the call of the roll
The roll will be called, and the chairman Of each
delegation will announce the vote.
Mr.. Eagle, of Arkansas rise to point of
order.
The Chair-What is your point of order?
AT this point the confusion became SO great
that 1t was practically impossible TO determine
what was being done, and the chair insisted with
great frmness that order must be restored When
comparative quiet was obtained the chair again
requested Mr. Eagle TO state his point of order,
and the latter rose and said; My point of order
is this. When the previous question had been
ordered thatit Is upon the original motion, cut
ting off all amendments, and the question is now
upon the original motion.
The Chair-I override the point of order, it is
upon the main question first and then whether or
not the original resolution, will be next put be-
fore the house
Mr.. House, of Tennessee call for the read
ing of the amendment on which you are abeut to
vote,
The Chalr-The convention will come to order
and hear the amendment read. The sergeant-at-
arms will request the delegates to take their
seats,
The secretary undertook to read the amend
mept offered by Mr.. Grady, but had only struck
the fourth word when the confusion became so
great that it was impossible to be heard yard
from the stage. He begged the members to
make less noise, but this had no effect, and the
retired to his seat in deep disgust.
The chair then took hand at managing the
lnruly gathering, and stated rather vehement
y:
Gentlemen of the convention, we cannot pro-
iced unless we have silence.
The delegates reluctantly retired to their re-
1pective quarters, and the secretary once more
emerged into sight and read the amendment, as
ollows:
When the vote Of a state as announced by the
chairman of the delegation from such state is
by any member of the delegation,
hen the secretary shall call the names of the in
liyidua delegates from the state, and their indi-
fidual preferences as expressed shall be record
ID as the vote Of said state.
The Chair-Tte question now recurs upon the
adoption of the amendment which you have
leard read. Cali the roll. The chairman of each
tate delegation, when his name is called, will
,lease announce distinctly the vote of his state,
tate. Ayes. Noes. State. Ayes Noes.
Alabama ....15 Mississippi. .1s =
arkansas. ...- ID Missouri. 80. s "a
.16 Nebraska.. 5 5
colorado. 2 Nevada. 6 j
Connecticut 2 10 HAMPSHIRE q /