The clarion. [volume] (Jackson, Miss.) 1883-1888, 1884-04-16

.,.,rrl,-bed This i what Dr.. Fal. =
$3.50 80 This i what Cox and Morell p
- -. whether there Is 4 covering 3
,vey "a not. ia the word baptiEes 4 e n9eA 3
, ,-ord az mode. II expresses Of ltseh 2
q mode. Baptists themselves being 8
~ ~ - suppose You were the baPtIzer, I
49, 80, laiSl the candidate down IN the q
~ 6aptistry the better 10 represent
hrr;el that YOU poured water upon nun 2
= - extent. until you effected WHAT 9
-, an the only baptism, q covering
~ ~ az you IL this baptism, or I'M 6
-,,arsio1 was not effected by pouring !
immersion bv pouring. You could 40
tha same by sprinkling long enough.
Pnt Won saw the pouring, or the sprltnA
I, ro was not the baptism, but by eltnet
80 apeAetad an immersion-yo put the
- A AZ immersed condition, you &C
,s sr'I. an effect, you secured LOT
1872 candidate 4 condition OF mersloh
"a this condition, this effect, Is tne
hsr Y, say Cox, Morell and Fuller
= ttbst BaDtists themselves confess tnat
tbs word baptize itself expresses nothing
. This brings me in the second place,
- s.v that since there is no mode m
tbe word. we must look to the word OF
ca ~ ascertsin what God has said re-
sra.tins, the mode. You yourself say
| t6at Ne do not get the form and at
t-;hntas Of the church from the Sord
E7ftIes;g hut from what is said else
where in the Scriptures, and III tals
| agree with YOU. Just what you say |
about the church, say about the woru
bonI;ze As the form of the chureh Is
not learned from the word Ekklesla'
Int from data, elsewhere in scripture
"a the form of administering baptism
i not learned from the word oapuuIo,
Int from data given elsewhere in the
word of God.
There was a baptism of the Apostles
.bo dav of Pentecost. That baptism
vas given them by Jesus Christ, through
,be Holv Spiris. Our Lord himself al
,, n,;n;stered that baptism. 1t was gwen
to the Apostles to qualify them lor Ine
) Apostolic Office. In that staEs ol eo5
! dition of baptism the Apostles Temai me.
so far as we know, till the day OF tne.'
. death. The word baptize never oIlnsl
. of its own force, the subjects OF II our JUL, "
the baptized condition. Those Iea ~,
4 baptized into Christ, into the name % VI.
Father, Son and Holy Ghost, remain -
;, that baptized condition to all ete TN
!. ty. To represent that baptism rs = u,p
/ ping or temporary immersion Is 70 "
: yioie1ce to the truth of God. no pap
= tism, classic, Jewish or Christian Oh -
"A own force, ever brought the DaP'iAo'
!, ont of their baptized condition.
! This is shown to be true, at least :,
= far as the baptism of the ApostleS u
!, the day of Pentecost is concerlleu
= The change of their conditloh c"use
by that baptism was lifelong
a, This baptism was effected oy ~ llle t'o ',,
: ing out of th-s Holy SPIRIT, Inc lN'ul
!, ing was not the baptism, nj YOU vi
rant that it effected baptiNn; ~ q
- counting for the wonder OF TINS p''t'''s'
q, Peter twice mentiocs tile pouring ~.
. the HOLY Spirit This baptism = ., rSpI
I, sented when predicted IN the oiu ieS'
cd ,nent, as by pouring.
~ ITnon those assembled in the house
i, Cornelius. ssthe Holy Ghost fell, ga;
lis Peter. .'as on us at the beginning
on MANY ascame with Peter(w were astonlshe'
nj bacay,se that on the Gentiles also w
,re Doured out the gift of the Holy Ghost
m The HOLY Spirit is not only represent
. a. noured out, but it is sam tell 90
I'M tbam who heard the word. See Ae
ia .44and As. and 1l:l5 and 10. Ia u
nrs hantism. the Holy Spirit is represents
Of az comma on. them; that is, the baptlzii
~ ogency Is applied to them, and they a
h, never said to be dipped, plunged or II
,nl mersed into the Holy Spirit. We
ar not say that the word expresses
e. MOI act of pouring, but this transs
tbo tjon does prove that baptism may
oe Inv pouring, and that the end OF I
FL ,ourino ia not a covering, bat thorou
in Change Of condition in which there Is
ge dining" There was no immersion, !
mo overwhelming, nor plunging, but thu
vet was pouring out, which effected q d
3ge tism. A pouring out long enough
O. cover il not in the record, but IN
i'm Baptist Imagination.
re But YOU say the pouring out OF
bur Spirit is iigurdtlYe eNpFe9si
in Granted. But as figure 1t must
an grounded in a previous physical use
snn 6ouring out to effect baptism II no r
I've steal pouring ont conld effect baptls
hoes how could fgurative Pouring out
,gs9 said to effect baptism OF the spirit
/ of proceed to give yon an example o
/ to physical pouring ut which eiiecte
baptism.
,je Greek fathers, it is said. He lived wi
tber the Greek was living language an
eou. take it, knew the meaning OF the .'r
INT word baptize. In commenting upo'
met Kings 18:32-3S, he speaks as folio
srs- "And why do you believe that the +.
r. to come will baptize. when he did
han. in the time of Ahab baptizc the vic
uDon the wood of the altar. wi
needed cleansing, at the APP earring OF
: lle Lord by fire? For he commands
eaa5 priests to do this.
Sod How, then, is he coming accordin
: IN the words of Malachi to baptlze, 8
has he did not baptize then, but commI
sion the work to others. Christ, therei
the did not baptize with water, but his
mill cipIes. He reserves to himself the
said thing by the Holy Ghost and u
,fini. Here was baptism by pouring, or
onIv gin did not understand Greek, and
nion not know what baptism was.
,tiza Basil Magnus, another Greek, SPEAK
that this water mystically poured thric,
one showing the power OF baptism. y
Does ory Naz. also speaks of this pouring
con- effecting baptism. lie says the
! the was cast over the wood upon the
tize9 from water-pots; and | adj not ban
hat Of forty gallons each. He says, IS
baptism ike a fire consumes sin,
yraa. Christ baptizes by fire and Spirit"
> - "When the water tlo1
moe Elias prayed and fire descended. ~
aow D Man! art upon the altar, who
dure be cleansed by water, whose SIT
IF he burned up that thy life may be
bese newed."
Inv Mr.. Editor, it never occurred to t
Greek scholars, that a dipping-iml
word sion, or a covering over with, or br
tI,e in. WATERWAYS, in the least, OF the ess'
,asns of baptism. So far as the Chris
, nor. fathers have spoken of this transac
P ysa. on Carmel, they have pronounced
tben baptism by pouring. | have not
49, able to find this baptism spoken o
nd DR.. Conant in his Baptizein. Bap
Sord do not care to mention it, and so ia
poaob thew hare noticed it, they have
,1 min; stress upon the quantity OF "
iend poured. Now let me ask YOU, do
a ,t lists understand Greek better than
VS. most learned Greeks, when the G
don was a living language2
ing is But DR.. Carson must have cove
adds: over on the day of Pentecost in :
ID by way. Here is what he says;
being though there was no dipping of
over yet; as they were completely surroui
o as by the wind and ire, by the catachr
be mode of speech which | before explai
yered they are said to be immersed kei
t all here is baptism in which the DC
mean admits there was no dipping, ana W
form says the word means to dip IN ever.
bap- stance, without a single except
the Again, he says, "They who were bapi
on that day in wind and FIRE, had
burg: baptized before Again, "They
,igni- surrounded by the wind and coyerel
ssert the fire above. They were there
So | L..-;.d IN ,.rir,d and fire . There