New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1884-06-20
CLEVELAND'S WEAKNESS.
HIS FRIENDS SURPRISED AND MORTIFIEn
HIS MAJORITY IN THE DELEGATION TO CHICAGO
NOT CERTAIN-wHAT SOME DEMOCRATIC LEAD
-<yRs HAVE TO SAY
IBY TELEGRAPH TO TINE rrrBUNEI

TELEGkAPH TO
SARATOGA, June 19.-The Democratic State
Convention adjourned such late hour last night that
the delegates did not get away until to-day This has
allowed them time exchange views on the result for
the purpose Of determining who II anybody won the VIC
tory That there should be much uncertainty on this
point the evidence that Outwardy no substantial
victory has been achieved by any one Two New-York
sporting who wagered $50 as to whether Flower
or Cleveland would carry the convention concluded To-
day to call IL drawn battle and each had his money
returned to him. There is absolutely nohing,to make ~
certain that Mr. Cleveland will have majority OF
the delegates Chicago As the delegates now stand
no doubt the Governor has amajoy, not notwithstanding
the,pOsve assertion to the contrary OF Mr. Flower ana
Mr.. Beach and other opponents OF the Governors put
of the delegates likely To change their minds De-
fore they get to Chicago But they do not do so there
no assurance that the Chicago Convention In naming
candidate the avowed purpose Of winning indepen-
dent votes will enforce the unit rule. The agitation on
that subject in the last few years has ade such method
OF sitting the voices OF delegates unpopular There was
an effort made here by Democrats who are friendly 70
Cleveland 20 get Committee Resolutions 70 recon-
mend that the Chicago Convention declare In favor OK
choosing representatives by districts the same as the
Republicans now do. Meniwho favor such change can
not logically uphold that relic Of machine barbarsm
called tho unit rule. II the Convention does not enforce
that rule then certain that large proportion OF the
delegates from this state will not vote for Grover Ceye-
cannot be regarded a strong candidate.
CAUSES OF OPPOSITION TO CLEVELAND.
The opposition to Mr.. Cleveland is based on many
grounds 1t is simply ridiculous TO assert that IL Is the
of disappointed ofice-seekers but tis inds-
putabe nearly all the State officials appointed by tne
Governor were here working for his nomination. they
came from all the departments at Albany and from the
Governors own office Many Democrats ike Congress-
men Beach and Belmont. Judge Hilton and others think
it would be unwse for the party TO nominate man like
Cleveland, who is prominently identified with faction
OF his party to such an extent as to be willing 10
veto reform bills to benefit that faction Other Demo-
Gratis urge that Cleveland is unknown and untried and
that 50 far he has not shown any fitness for such high
Office Further opposition is due to his arbitrary use OF
the veto power He has Just vetoed number OF local
bills affecting Saratoga village which were asked for py
needed He offers excuse for such arbitrary use OK
power In Troy and other places there is similar EEL
measures. While doing this injustice he has done
further public WRONG 9y Cnmpe and Hubert O.
Thompson The elements that urged his nomnauon
pendent men His name elected no enthusiasm, not
even as much John Kelys and one half the conyen-
tion Outspoken against him.
THE GOVERNORS FRIENDS MoRTIFI ED AND ASTON
IsHED.
The Governors best friends are mortified and aston
shed at the result of the Convention 1t even charged
that Daniel Manning was playing double part SAID
State Official to-day; There may be wisdom in his
course, but don't SEQ it, III the Governor had Darrell
think Manning would have been more earnest. some
persons seem to think that to be successful we must have
candidate with plenty OF money. After ALL 1t may %
best to nominate Tden at Chicago. His name VIII az
least elicit enthusiasm and he will get the full party
vote"
Ex-MayOr Manning, of Buffalo, brother OF Daniel
Manning SAID to-day; The result Of the convention
substantial victory for the opponents OF Cleveland.
II Is well that It s0 With the feeling among the anti
monoposts and others, il would be impossible for hin
TO carry this State. he would be defeated oy
a great majority In Erie County"
II would be easy give many similar expressions of
opinion General Faulkner OF the deegates-at-large
saws that think the nomination OF Cleye
land is possible. Congressman Belmont says that he
looks for the collapse OF the Cleveland boom. some
man must be taken. such Bayard" he said to-day
who Is not identified with actOna quarres in New
York" Congressman Beach expressed similar views.
A Brooklyn delegate said that Kings County would
probably vote for General SOcum UNLESS there Is
secret deal" said Democrat from New-NOrk, by which
John Kelly Is the next Mayor In return for Tam
many's support for Cleveland at Chicago can see no
chance OF the Governors nomination. Mr. Manning told
Inc to-day that he satisfied that In time Iammany and
rhe Brooklyn delegates would support Cleveland u
that is true there must be secret understanding II
it is true then 1t is clear hat there was majority OF
the delegates here against Cleveland and all the conces-
sions were made 10 avoid a display or weakness"
The cowaIdcc shown on the tariff and otner questiOn
such as Civil Service Reform. is denounced.