The Portland daily press. [volume] (Portland, Me.) 1862-1921, 1884-10-11

on our northern slope and levels and that IL would
make large area habitable, healthful, and pro-
dnctive of income to the city.
Further it was urged that it not safe nor in
the long run expedient, TO allow a section of the
community to dictate the solution of q problem,
which is at present engaging the attention Of
specialists of wide experience all over the
world. One member believed in Mr.. Shedd's plan,
because he relied upon him expert, and that
he also believed in it because Mr.. Goodwin pro-
pounced it the better plan, and necessarily so be-
cause OF MIR. Shedd's wide experience. Another
member of the committee believed in it because it
came from specialist, because it was full and com
plete for future contingencies, and particularly,
because 1t afforded what he believed would give
city.
We respectfully ask for further time to consider
1urther other suggestions in Mr.. Shedd's report.
Il. @. JORDAN, Secretary.
The reportwas accepted, and further time grant,
ed the committee.
message was sent to the lower board proposins Q
a joint convention for the purpose of considering
the Back Bay question, and a message returned
from the lower board accepting the proposition,
In Common Council.
Absent: Messrs. Thompson, Quinn, Simonds,
ONeil. Fogg, Shaw and Jordan.
In The absence of Mr.. Fogg, the president, Mr..
Wilson OF Ward was elected president pro tenn.
MR.. sHEDDs REPORT.
On motion Of Mr.. Woodbury. of Ward 6, seconded
by Mr.. Mcclellan of Ward g. the recommendation,
laid on the table at the last meeting that the report
Oh Mr. Skedd be printed for the public information
was taken from the table and passed in
with the upper board, I'll yeas, 3 nays.-Messrs.
Turner, Burleigh and Mcmahon voting nay.
Mr.: Mcclellan said prior to the vote that a mat
ter OF convenience the Back Bay committee would
like to have Mr.. Shedd's report printed. The
would not be over $50. The public demanded 10
know What Mr.. Shedd's report was.
Mr.. King asked II the committee wished the
port printed before they were through with them
Mr. Mcclellan thought it appropriate to print this
report now The committees report was d separ lie
Mr. King said he thought il the expense of print
ing the report was not to exceed $50 or $50, "a u
matter of courtesy to the committee it should be
printed he voted to lay the matter on the table at
tne last meeting because he didn't see how such
action wonld retard the committee materially. He
thought there were many valuable points in the
report for the citizens to consider.
Mr.. Turner said he hadn't changed his mind
since his action at the last meeting. He hoped the
paper would not be called from the table until the
final report of the Back Bay committee. He said
the committee constituted as it was, couldn't act
but city government committee could. We have,
said be, sewer committee, and he forgot when
the tax for sewer was levied at the recent meet
ing that the Council was voting to take the sewer
questi n out of the hands of its proper committee
and In voting for the appropriation he didn't intend
10 cast any reflection on either the sewer commit
tee or the Back Bay committee. He was anxious to
60 to work on the Back Bay sewer 1t was said in
the morning Press that be led the attack at the
former meeting on the citizens Back Bay commit
tee. He understood the editor of that paper was
chairman of the committee. (Mr. Turner was cor
rected2 Well, said he. he is member of that
committee and his editorial was a reflection on me
as long as the discussion at that meeting, which
called for my remarks was not printed, so that the
pubic could understand my position distinctly. Mr.
Turner thought committee of conference should
be appointed on the part of the two boards, which
would make the whole matter plain, and he hoped
no more expense would be INDUCED in until all as
made plain.
kurther remarks in favor of printing Mr. Shedd's
report were made by Messrs. Higgins and Wood
bury.
The ordinance in relation to Portland Harbor
laid on the table in this board at the last meeting
was taken from the table and passed to be en-
crossed in concurrence.
A1s ordinance to amend an ordinance entitled an
"Ordinance eLating to Portland Harbor."
Be it ordained by the Mayor, Aldermen and Com
mon Council OF the City of Portland in city council
assembled as follows:
Section ot the ordnance relating to the rules
for the management of vessels in Portland Harbor
to be amended by striking out all of said section
and substituting the following as Section A: The
Board of Mayor and Aldermen shall establish such
rules and regulations as they may from time to time
deem necessary for the government of the Harbor
Master and management of We. sells in said harbor.
Section to be amende by striking out the words
preceding rules in The FIST line and inserting
the words 'frules and regulations thus established"
Section to be amended by striking out the word
prescribed" in the second line and inserting the
words sand regulations provided for"
En Joint Convenfion.
The two boards met in joint convention in refer
The Mayor said that he did not see why an sx-
PLANTATION was needed on his part but the chair
man of the committee on drains and sewers was
present. he would call npon him to state tho conclu
sion arrived st by the committee.
Mr.. Hallett preferred that Alderman Noyes
should make the statement, as he was more conver-
Mr.. Noyes said that in. the presence of the City
Civil Engineer he would not go into detail himself
but called upon Mr.. Goodvin.
Mr.. Goodwin spoke as follows
MIR. GooDwIN's PLAN.
Before saying anything Mr.. Goodwin wanted to
refer to the position in which he now found him
self. Before Mr. Shedd came he had a route laid
down giving the dimensions of the different sections
OF an iterceptipg sewer around and near the shore
of Back Bay
While commencing the scheme of Mr.. Shedd in
every respect, as regards engineering, the scheme
seemed to have been taken from the province of
engineering and relegated to that of politica,
economy; on this point the gentlemen of the con-
vention are thoroughly informed. While he had
not had the pleasure of reading Mr.. Shedd's re-.
port, he remembered in hls verbal one that he
mentioned that low tide sewer would be neces-
sary in time, and that the inclination of his sewer
would be l in 1000, and would dis
charge pending the operation of pump
HIS own route would begin at the mill pond sewer
above behring's bridge crossing Green street. within
90 feet of the centre of the Marginal Way, thence
running down Kennebec street with a brick sewer
to Somerset street location, through which the
sewer would be of plank, water tight supported by
piles. Thence across Pearl, Wilmot and Franklin
tion of brick sewer; thence through Fox street
location the flats to the line of Smith, thence to
the channel in IL feet depth at low water at
Tukey's bridge, The last two sections to be OF
plank, also water tight and piles, except at the
Marginal Way where brick conduit would be re-
quired. Every existing sewer through the route is
TO be extended to the main sewer and thereby in
tercepted. The length of the sewer will be sub
stantially 1900 feet the entire fall in the same he
ing four feet The old tide gate at the mill msy be
restored, the tide water impoundtd and drawn
through the sewer by flush gate. The sewer Is d.
signed to receive the sewage of a population of
thirty thousand, an overflow pipe for Storm water
be set at toe point of interception of each sewer
On being asked for the estimated cost OF he
same, Mr.. Goodwin replied that he would require
time for the completion of close estimate.
On being asked if a high level sewer could be
constructed from the terminus of his proposed
or, Mr. Goodwin replied that it could be start
any desired elevation required for any point of dis
charge.
Mr.. Noyes thought the low level sewer of Mr..
Goodwin's, as a matter OF economy alone, was what
gave the city an excellent sewer the front side Of
the city, an intercepting sewer, which many of
Them took no stock in-himself incuded-at the
first. He would say tor one institution. which had
great property interests on the low level of Back
Bay, that the institution thought it had right to
be considered in this matter. He thought the low
level sewer ths only the city could afford
touch. Two able engineers had informed him there
was ledge running through the route of Mr..
Shedd's proposed high level sewer, and he didn't
believe that $65 900 would cover the cost, or that
the sewer would accommodate the citizens living
below Oxford street.. He believed Mr.. Goodwin's
sewer would fill the bill for at least 25 years. As
this was joint convention, he would move to take
the informal sense of this convention the con-
vention voted unanimously to adopt Mr.. Goodwin'E
proposed sewer for Back Bay.
Gorham Grange Fair.