New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1884-12-24
ENGLISH AND AMERIcAN SOCIETY.
JULIAN HAWTHORNE AND cnACNcEY NJ. pfPEW ON
THEIR GOOD AND BAD FEArURES.


The Nineteenth Century Club. which met NJ
the house Of Courtlandt Palmer. no ITO East twenty
nrst-st INDUCED last night IN discussion on society IL
general and the merits and dement's o. Engn'n an"
American society in particular. Julian iiia"'"',no
courageously consented TO offer himself ~ ta'-e. "
the bullets Of debate from both the Eng'h anu 'no
American side by opening the proceedings with care
fullv-nrepnred ESSAY IN which he appd the scalel 10
both English ana American society IL was IN All e'scu
tials the same essay that he rad some weeks oso
fore the Long Island Historical Society In BROOKLYN o
found that ideal 90 English society was merely ''
fort that n was much addicted 20 hypocrisy hau ho'
high standard OF morality and tina, its general ATTITUDE
as onr or roliie indifference or American society nc
drew n rather II ore favorable picture lie depot'" ~
IN condition ~ great confusion and suffering from '
he nkened 70 4 Variety OF skin dsenees BIN the'e ",u'
ne con sierpt rs signs onls OF vigorous mNH" "''.
ana rsrrinlet That American society would come ON
ahead IN the long run aud the ahuchee nl'"i'''"'
,vrtrt witt him IN THIS oriuon . 49,.
mn. th,rnret n iitrcW 0as hronght 'orNh'u T"
Az. p,irrf ,H AS ha,,'e ff tinctrnr s1ricS I'VE hr''
narre ~ sare rBe-na,rfet snfrtin' ~ the rsl @
~ ,he sthaBl 50 thbrrht 'fd' whrh fhe socc'' N W
seegaig,.el vs. feerite ra,fnrliin Ihr t~nirf NY
ss4aaeea ,g,-kia rs saiA whefttei hatt rirt 'hFf
Gaye ,aasi-eA ~ iest-iHHBr, 'hAt tii rb' rn'r'
sg.ai iAls seyeiae 4,Tef iNf HNHi's1F hrtr 49, ~
u.possibe- "a understand heFeatet % Nss Hir H
thp-s NA.gH alitHt itt" atH Hd nei &c caa he "a.
pressed with hase same hefs fsiea a,s LIT iis'i ~
T The roots AMI have Ieeu left henies3 ana s'jaus
ani 1,nen looked around 10 see Nhai 'iN sir,i1 n
Iii the advanced thinkers WOuid give NV ~ t''''f
vitb they CAV me-phrases. suppose 'ht4 "1''u,
Lcn and therefore admired them as the anelu "u'-'
rlinn thev ri aim 10 he. The advanced thlhktr SAP
Eliminate the church. We had in the old Ahrntn HHE
sncietV something after the sort they see" al" II W.
NOT survive for the simple reason that rlecOgIeu oIo
nf lie humanities. have listened 10 the SERVICES ~
Westminster Abbey, and have seen those no
he cathedral going down into the Sums 10 ehu ncP
mo hand 10 their uuf prtunate fellow men anu Women
hava attended surgeons church anu seen the sre'
middle class pe0ple engaged in the same beheuoei.
york | have met with disciples OF advanced thourn'
mo we're talking about the higher evolution oil he ce
and the grand meeting of higher natures pul nono
~ them was ever "A missionary, none ol lnem 80
foundrd hnspitas none of them ever went now ,np
rho slnms To lift men and ont from the ue'iins
cnnaCs of disease and dirt into condition Whete me
cond nave a decent opportunity, and coula nope lo'
better opportunity hereafter. 49, A. ,,..o,r saia q.
As 10 English and American society, MT Dept" s" 80
he lower class of American society Is Infinitely hsnci
i everv respect than the same class IN Great Britain
the British workman Is beyond all odds the most S.
the most brutal creature that walks on Tue lde U.
Globe Our workingmen bright, intelligent ao'i'n
and enterprising. The British middle class Il Wy 49,
Oils rho most religious community that ever 81" ~
my life aud the far morals are cohctrheu,
Witrno growth no life, spring about H. We ~
middle class exactly but the moment you ge aooe ~
working class get class thai taxes al ~
rubic afair,-energetIc educated, progressive Tue A'
Of which is not found in any part OF tue World ~ -
Mr. Depew found much fault win me IN shl"" -.
cause OF his inability tn understand an ~ oio" J
and related many amusing incidents " this failing
Feliy Norchecs concluded the demle, lie was ~ Wv.
opinion that "A gentleman in NeW-l0rk was Auch '0
same sort of fellow gentleman ID LONDON