New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1884-04-03
OPPOSING THE QUAKER DAM.
MR.. ARMOUR DEMANDS MORE DETAILS.
sSGIyrrR CHURCH oUKsTIoSED-No SUFFICIENT
DATA TO MAKE AN KsTIMATE OK.

DATA TO MAKE AN ESTIMATE OK.
number of persons were present yesterday to
in regard TO the proposed Quaker Bridge Dam.
Eor,iham Morris asked the commission whether or
prcciselv where the aqueduct was to go. the land
to be- taken in easement OF fee and other particn-
lars. so that property owners could tell exactly
how il would affect their rights.
Mayor Ldson said that such maps were being
prepared, hut that the line must be officially APP
proved before such maps could be made ana thal
The Corporation Counsel had advised that such
maps were not legally necessary for the purpose OF
q publc hearing.
che Corporation Counsel. he differed with nun on
that point The law Zee aired definite aud palto-
aar maps and plans: aud in behalf of the New
Nork CITY and Northern Railroad and other clients
he entered n formal protest against the COMMISSION
proceeding without such maps aud plans.
EN-ludge Anoux said that the papers before the
commission were not such as tho law required. lie
thought that was due to the citizens ana taNpay
rrs that such definite maps, plans and estimates
rvc tncir views. He wished 80 examine CHEZ
Engineer Church TO show how far short of the
actual cost the estimates before the commission
would fail. Mr.. Church was then sworn
FN-Jaiee Arnoux- the only maps I'm regard To- the
QIaser Bridge Dam before the commission those
Mentioned In the printed pporti Ayes. sir.
Mr. Ainoux asked Mr.. Church TO point out in
the report any estimate for the subsidiary dams.
After examining the report Mr. church SAID that
he dill not find such an estimate there; Dut that
estimates had been made, although they were not
included in the report.
Olive Won any such plans ani estimates from the
Public Works Department rs called for boy the law IN
tesanl 10 the cost of these subsidiary damsl A-No
regular report, hut verbal ~ lt mcnts.
DIDO ~ou think it possible TO build the dam on such
foGndation a. that deineaicd this mapi Alt would
sir. Arnoux said that Mr.. Francis. recognized
authority among engineers on such a question:
testified before the Mayors Wafer Commission that
tho thickness of a dam at the bottom should equal
its height. II that were done m the case OF the
Quaker Bridge Dam the foundation would nave
% be extended on the map. aud II would adl
largely to the cost. Mr. Church sara tlat ne u,u
not think Mr.. Francis would require suSh 5hiSA-
at the bottom IN the case - the Quaker BrlIse
Dam To some Other questions asked OF MI.
Church relative 20 the method OF carrying down
the masonry 10 the foundation of the dam, he re-
Piled that they were matters oi det3u when ne
did not think he should be required TO answer.
Commissioner Baldwin We have had all this inforna-
zion from Mr.. Church. Why don't you bring on your
engineers ana produce additional nformaiionf -,
plans and by Mr. Church nat Tie lnGHe1tS Of the law
have not been complied Win Wien I'M, G9 %a' dno '
since nm an estimate has hccn made OF ri 2o.OOo
when we to ont into particulars We are t"d mat
itisa .Jtrr detail That is the Nay 80 with The
Hlo,sl.u Bridge. Tic plau> were changed AFTER ihe
N.ft wa. begun. and millions OF dollars added TO tue
cost Ipr,p,se show that the same think may be done
hc.t because these plans aud estimates are Incorrect
the commission Nv the Dcrartmeut Of Public Works
Mr.. ArnouV-Do', The commission know low ~ Is pro,
posed 90 carry down the mdsonr! u inc FOUNDATION Oh
ComIn ,ioncr Dovd-wcu, that depend. The kind
Mr. ArnOuNhut the law Requires that Sue plans >hail
a. =, ,n n. ''o., o. wa ''"'
Cornerstone ovlBut we can modify or change the
Mr. AMOS Certainly Rut It was intended that The
public should know beforehand u pan. Ienn' ononEh
shall lie carried down is que. ton OF detail II NAV
sid Si0oo0O0 10 the cost 81 nc d"n Nh1' VIII DC l.e
pressure 81 tlc WltcL u, 'A' 'uII'''"l '"' '''N " YAM
81 ihr tiol3'g,rI, n,,i, i,i e .,.l calculations
- tbor, tbinc az, tee I,l lbs to show the bridges
I, i. built and toe ruJdUJys rhit viii be -uuolcod!
;H -N"t '' VIC P''"' 60
o-Wl,tis tho FAN Of the water from the foot ~ the
,r,t,u plt1 d, Ou.ker bridget A.-Nincty -four feet
,lA,t- tilf ,o,ld le destro,tdt A-No / think that /
ii,'r. A. o.' Is, On. min .jtc
a. '-ulc.. t,i. commission can say that We
,,,,s Ia ,uld nm, Oulscr Fridge Dam and tine citizens
lf Lo y n .hSild MOI DE huiit the law is usrlcsS
'ibis r.u,t nom Tie Public Works Department doesn't
sbo, ne cost 81 ANYTHING But In former report it
zoe. ,lnr.n 10 such small items 5000 That depart
mont bclongs 70 NE public Is ihe business on slt
department 20 furnish such u uhtc Pl'ls "n ~
tions rs would bn furnished 10 coutClols Already the
cost has Increased 100000 These estimates You
met Al tn Information we have here to proceed
upon might nave been pllSh III i".,! rSi ,So ,s and
ginccrs Who have come mere 10 eN, ,",V ia E
estimates say That they cm give no testimony on sun
Mcneer facts 1od cannot certainty IIopSv oo III ' III
ldudly and say thu tnr d'iH wiz .o9' A., No
II may cost S30oonuuu We want 10 sec 'ie ueiinlte
plan, you propose 10 follow, that the public may know
tine city, There many necessary items omitted this
report before YOU
Commissioner Thomp~on-Om ORIGINAL estimate Tor
million Tor roadvays, cost Of land e'c public paper
Church made estimate OF over S6.oOo0o0 lie merely
made an estimate OF what u ulghi CO.. she m'sobh'!
were 10 cost certain prices lch somebody iurhnthgd
VT. Mr. u' TotT Bnf .nbnittcl mo- csiimaie
|'',i'. ioTar tnrpccr iipo,ug I've an sup
po.cI Mr. Cbulch NAT was your c,t Innate.
I,mes + Wood sad that citizens had been
chaiE,d WIN IgA my ,o b amy T,.poWsi
'..r H,,I,y'n r, -, r can answer Al,