The Hawaiian gazette., 1884-07-16
AFTERNOON.

On reassembling at 80, the Committee
proceeded with the discussion Of the mo
ton Of the Minister of Interior to refer
certain items to a special committee, and
Representative Nawahi made a motion
that the Minister be requested to present
estimated figures for each of the proposed
items before further consideration by the
Assembly.
Representative Aholo was in favor OF
motion to refer to select committee.
He considered that an opportunity would
thus be offered to obtain full knowledge
Of the propoposed measures. He sug
gested that the committee when formed,
be composed of Representatives from each
Island
Hon. H. A. Widemann thought that a
special committee of members would be
thoroughly incompetent TO act upon the
matter as they would not be possessed OF
the necessary information SO as to estimate
correctly He considered that 1t was the
duty of the Minister of the Interior, who
had all the required information at hand,
to supply the figures If appointed him
self to serve on such a committee, he
would be at sea, not knowing what the in
tentions of the Minister were, he would be
unable to estimate correctly. II looks as
il the Ministers wanted to place their work
upon the members of the Assembly, the
present action afforded a good opportunity
for supposing it. The speaker read from
the speech of the King at the opening OF
the Assembly, and referred to the pleasure
expressed by His Majesty at the proposed
expenditures being within the estimated
revenue of the country The items under
consideration are new items, as regards
amount at least, and it would be safe to
say that $4,000 would not be enough to
cover the estimates Of expenditures con
nected with them. The Ministers are try
ing to place the burden of these items up
on the Assembly II they do they receive
the credit of being economical and we
wasteful. He opposed the motion.
Hon. Paul Isenberg said that he was
sorry to find when he came back that all
the items in the Bill had been passed at
the amounts as they came IN. He Thought
that from the present prospects Of the
country they would have cut down every
thing. Where were they to get the rev
enue from but from sugar and rice. Both
were very low to-day and will be for a
year an a half to come. The expenditures
proposed in the Appropriation Bill were
nearly as much as the estimated income.
The income will be less than what it is
estimated. II so where is the money to
| come from? VIII we borrow another
million? VIII we run in debit mol it
should not be SOL (Applause.) If he gave
first and second and then third mort
gage on his property, the property would
have to go. He did not agree with the
Appropriation Bill 1t should have been
cut down 20 per cent from the Kings sal
airy downwards.
The Minister of Foreign Affairs said
that the Honorable Mobiles who had just
sat down, were giving good reasons that
| the items should be referred as proposed
II the House must 90 in for extraordinary
measures, it must be provided for by ex-
traordinary measures and not by ordinary
means.
Hon. Smith asked if the matter of
roads and bridges was an extraordinary
business
The Minister of Foreign Affairs an
swered that that was only one of the many
items he was alluding to. The Honorable
Isenberg has Just returned from our most
important market, and he speaks seriously
on the present state of affairs. He 1.-THE
speaker favored economy.
Hon. Bishop said that the time is past
when the Ministers have no opinions
about the expenditures Of the country, and
unwilling to take any responsibility.
This thing (the Appropriation Bill is pre-
sented to the House as Budget, called
for by the Constitution. What is under
stood by Budget 1t is what the Minis
tiers recommend to be passed. Does any
one believe that the Ministers expected or
would have wished it TO pass as Il is, leav-
ing out these many new items Notwith
standing the times have changed and that
our revenue may be less, they have not
neglected to provide for new offices and
raise the salaries. When there were two
Houses the document contained every
thing it was safe to recommend the House
to appropriate, and it was referred TO
committee and that committee defended
it as far as possible. In 1864 it was pro
vided that the Minister of Finance should
present Budget They did so and put
in everything that they thought was want
ed and were able to pay for. This docu-