The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1884-03-08
Ex-senator Spencer Gives His
Evidence.
Another Batch of Murders and
Suicides.
The WOman's Suffrage AssO'
citation Convention.
Spencer Testifes.

w COl1 LA Th1SANSON ~
Ger, of Alabama, now resident o
Nevada, was examined to-day con-
corning the star route investigation
"Early in JaRusry,lss1," be said, 81
went from News a to New York or
business. On day while walking Oh
Broadway 1 met James, and he
asked me to &C company him to his
Office. When at the Office he toIC
me he wanted TO 60 into Garield'i
cabinet, and asked me to aid him.
Afterwards [ did render what aid
could. When he had been appointed
Postmaster-General said to him be
had an opportunity that few men
had in life to make great reputa.
ton. He asked how. 1 replied
that he could make the Postoffice
Department self-sustaining the first
year and the next year could reduce
postage to two cents. How! he
again asked. By breaking up the
star route ring, L replied. took a
pledge from him that what said
should be strictly confidential.
Several men connected with the
ring lived in the west and were
neighbors Of mine, and l desired
that my name should not 60 to the
public as an informer. Afterwards
I went to General Garfield. He
gave me the came assurance that
my information should be secret. 1t
was at my suggestion then that
Woodward was selected TO take
general charge of the investigation.
One day, while in the Pos office
Department., Tyner insisted that
Woodward should not be appointed.
I then said I thought Wood ward
was the beat man to take hold of
the matter. He was appointed and
given general directions FOR max
ing an entire Investigation. In
the winter of the year 1881 L
remained in New York and used to
meet A. N. Gibs on, He told me
what he knew, and afterwards
showed me a table Of the ninety
three routes he had prepared. We
met in Washington and together
went to Woodwsrd's room, where he
was made acquainted with Gibson's
information. remained in Washing
ton about three months, most of
the time getting up evidence for
the star route caseF. | remained
In Washington until Garfield was
shot. Imade up my mind that be-
yond saving government two or
three million dollars a year the in
yestigs:ion would be failure. l
received no pay for what I was 60
ing. I paid little attention to the
subject, and in the latter part of
1882 went to Nevada and remained
until June. Spencer then gave an
account of his return to New York,
his being subp@nad to appear in
Washington, of his coming here
and remaining two weeks, of his
efforts alone and with Secretary
Chandler to secure an interview
with George Bliss. While sitting in
one of the hotels with Secretary
Chandler. Bliss came to the latter
one day. They went out and talked
two or three hours. [ interrupted
them several times, but Bliss said
he did not want me. He told Sec
rotary Chandler that he desired not
to see me until I went On the stand,
and if I did swear to what he eX-
pected, he could cross~examiDe ne.
remained here until the court ad
iourned, went to New York and
showed Senator Conkling my sub
pena. He saidi it was not in legal
form, and advised me to go and at
tend to my business. Issked if my
staying in Washington had not
waived my rights to leave. He said
10, and I followed his advice"
Witness referred to the testimony
( ex.Postmaster. General James, in
which he said Spencer told him that
Dorsey had gone to Senator Spen-
er's room and said, "See how | do
'usiness." whereupon he placed five
+ six thousand dollars in an en-
relope, put it on the table and
Brady came in and took the envel-
pe and money and left. L did not
az that had seen Brady and Dor.
ey in the room together. l never
aw Dorsey pay Brady any money.
smes was mistaken. We have
alked so much on Star Route in
restiga.ions. he may have got things
mixed. If Imade such statement
must have been drunk 1 am not |
q the habit of getting drunk.
"Then you understand, asked
stewart, member, shat the state.
oent of James concerning the pay
nent OF money by Dorsey to Brady |
vas made out of whole cl0th?"
ST certainly never heard of a pay |
oent of money. Dorsey at one time
vas very bitter on Brady and anx-
ous for his removal as second as
istsnt postmaster general" The
witness then testified concerning the |
tar Route prosecutions.
@I always felt" he said, "that the |
oyernment took a most |
IMPLICATED case, and I felt |
q il it was masquerading |
,efore the public and couldn't see |
vhy complicated case ehould be |
AIKEN when there were some that |
vere not complicated. [ don't think
nybody was ever prosecuted except |
he Dorsey combination that held |
hout Is per cent. of the expedited
ontes. There was scandal con-
'ected with the talk Of why q Sec
nd Indictment was not found, but
m tho