New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1884-06-18
THE OUTLOOK AT SARATOGA.
DEMOCRATS ALL IN A MUDDLE.
THE GOVERNORS IIEUTESANTs HARD AT WORK
FLOWERS WORKERS CONFIDENT.
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FLOWERS WORKERS CONFIDENT.
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SARATOGA June 1.-THE situation here tonight
,smueb mixed The surface indicates that Flower
will control the convention, but careful lnvesti-
CATION underneath all the Flower talk furnishes no
ground for placing much reliance IN it. The fact is
that majority of the delegates are opposed TO
Cleveland, but the opposition does not take the
form always of supporting Flower. lie has prohteo
by Ceveands unpopularity, but it.is more diincuit
for him to hold delegates obtained in the way than
if they were for him because OF his own merlts'
There has been strong pressure brought 10 pear
by the State machine to influence every doubtful
delegate. The Big Four, as they are known here
Manning Thompson, Dorsheimer and Clevelands
law partner Bissell each one of whom weighs about
800 pounds have been doing some good work to-
night for Cleveland. They have been assisted by
all the State officials and host of outsiders. Dur
ing the day they made careful canvass of the del
egates and early arrived at the conclusion that
without the vote of Kings County they would be
defeated. There was no telling how that deega-
tion stood. 1t was asserted by Flower, James
O'Brien, General Faulkner ex-Mayor Nolan, of Al
bany, and ex-Mayor Murphy, of Troy, that
unless the Kings County delegates proved to be a
lot of traitors they would vote for Mr.. Flower
ANXIOUS TO CAPTURE KINGS COUNTY.
At the headquarters of the State machine the
same claim was made for Cleveland. State Treas
urer Maxwell and Civil Service Commissioner
Sehoonmaker asserted that " Boss" Mclaughlin
had pledged the delegation for Cleveland, but the
machine men began TO get alarmed at the non
committa manner of Senator Jacobs, hence they
teegraphcd for Boss Mclaughlin. He arrived
al 10 o'clock and Immediately called his delegates
together. After few minutes consultation he
adjourned the meeting telling the members to be
on hand at 10 a. m. tomorrow. In the meantime
he is looking over the ground seeing where he can
make the best trade and be on the winning Slue,
but he refuses to commit himself. 1t Is evident
that the gang " from Kings will swallow CleVe-
land with reluctance, but they will do whatever
Boss Mclaughlin orders and all his past ten
denotes indicate that he will support Mannins's
machine. Senator Jacobs says tonight that the
delegation will vote against instructng the dele
gates to Chicago for anybody. If Kings County
votes that way all the Flower men will do the
same. That will be virtual defeat Tor
Cleveland, as his friends here assert that
10 place his boom properly before
the country it is necessary for this
convention to give no uncertain sound concerning
him. 1t is probable that the convention will pass
resolution nstructng the delegation TO the National
Convention to vote as a unit for the candidate de-
cded upon by majority of the delegation when it
reaches Chicago If Cleveland can by that time
capture a majority of the seventy-two delegates he
can then hold the delegation solid.
1t is likely that such a course will be taken by
the convention and that it will pass resolution
commencing the Governors administration, coup
ling his name with that of 1ilden's,
and thus practically Endorse" him. 1t
is not likely with all the inducements
that the big four can hold out TO Boss Mclaughlin
that he will 60 to Flower hence Flower may he said
to be defeated He has lost ground tonight by the
decision OF the State Committee refusing to admit
Tammany equal terms with the County Dem
ocracy. That will leave on the temporary organiza-
ton the same division as existed last year, SO to
the County Democracy, "a to 1anilahy ana ~
TO Irving Hall.
TAMMANY READY FOR FIGHT.
The Tammany men have decided to contest the
matter on the floor of the convention and they are
refused equal terms with the County Democracy
they will leave the hail. This word was conveyed
TO the machine leaders tonight and it has created
CONSERVATION In their ranks. Another IammanY
bolt would mean the end of Clevelands chances or
of those of any other New-YoTk candidate. he
Brooklyn men voted in the committee to give Tam
many what it asks. If the Kings County delegates
follow the same course on the floor the IamnanE
men will get what they want, bat if it is necessary
IN keen them out to give Cleveland t1e convention
the machine will not hesitate to do 50. There is a
bitter feeling prevalent tonight. Iammany men
assert that they are tired OF holding
mn the party IN New-York while the
Governor gives all the patronage to " Boss
Thompson. and makes deals " oven with 3" Tim
Campbell and Sheriff Davidson The latter mas
cot the Irving Hall delegation sohd for Cleveland.
IN return he expects the Governor 10 uleiIS9 'ii'
charges against him.
The State Con IN ttee decided to make Smith NJ.
Wells law partner, Assemblym!u Smith, tempo
rary chairman of the convention. Judge hdnd 'r
Governor Hill will probably be pcrina-
nett chairman.
The decision of the cmmttee to admit the con-
testing delegates from st. Lawrence and Monroe
COMMITTEES along with the regulars, giving each deie-
oato one-half of a vote, ends all disputes ex-
cent that in regard to Tamm2ny. That VIII
leave the way clear for the convention TO get
through Tomorrow John G. Jacobs wants to be a
deleoate-a large, but the Manning machine says
that he shall not go. The big four have decided
90 make an end of JabObs, Faulkner, Nolan,
and all the other leaders VINO,
have come out against them. If they can carry
through thoir programme ana IL is nGt I he
that they will do so, the delegates-al-iaIge wiz pc
Mel Iauphlin Manning, Dorsheimer. and prODapN
Senator Titus but all the names are not Settifd
npoa The platf9Thm wiz f6 fbe decision Of The
machine. Dorsheimer wants 1t 10 come OUT loI Il
tariff for revenue only. c,.,,, o
an l-Cleveand men. II IS possible that had bf0ok-
Undecided TO 20 for Flower lie would nave hao tle
convention. There are many delegations on ne ne
Tlower men claimed the State Colnnittee 20"
that il is known that they have not got IT, the Cam Cam
has hurt them. The result is the renee
men are coming down for cleveland BON
sides are charged with using money Senator H[au4
made the charge before the State COnInittce thau
the Cleveland men are using money II tIhey tIy h hav
not used moneyit is about the only thlng thcS nave
not used judging from The & bd Sh0s the easiest
man for the Republicans te defeat that can De ho-
mated by the Democrats.
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