New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1884-06-16
TALK AT SARATOGA.
CLEVELAND AND FLOWER BOTH CON-
F1DENT.
fuE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION TO BE LARGELY
ATTENpED--TAMMANY's ATTITUDE.

nj the advance guard have arrived here to make
preparations for the Democratic State Convention,
which convenes on Wednesday. From the reports
they bring il is evident that the attendance will be
ms large at any previous convention. This grows
ont of the belief that the pursued here will
in a large sense govern the action of the Chicago
Convention on july s.
Tammany Hall las engaged accommodations for
800 persons who are to arrive on Tuesday after
noon The County Democracy will arrive about
the same time with 400 representatives, who VIII
leave New-York special train by the west
Shore road. Irving Hall has secured rooms Tor
about So and the Independent and James OBren
Democrats will number at least 100 Altogether
about 1 200 Democrats from New-York city will be
present to assist in selecting Democratic candi-
date for President. Large delegations are ex-
pected from Brooklyn, Albany Buffalo, Rochester,
Troy and other cities The outsiders come here 10
shout for Cleveland or Flower. Apparently IL
is always deemed necessary by Democratic candl-
date TO have a large outside following present at
convention to impress the delegates with the TACT
that the people are demanding such candidates
success Tot one-half these outsiders can get inside
The Town Hall where the convention is to be held
The only work of any consequence before the
convention is that of selecting delegates to Chi
cago Two candidates for the Court OF Appeals
bench are to be nominated, but the same course VIII
le followed in that matter at Utica, where Judge
Andrews (Rep) and Judge Rapallo DEM were
renominated. Presidential electors and new
State Committee are TO be chosen but there Will be
no contest on those matters The Democrats send
~ delegates to Chicago-the same number that tine
Republicans sent to their convention. But the
absence of the district method of choosing delegates
md the recognition Of the unit rule leaves it in the
power of the majority of the convention TO deter
mine how every delegate to Chicago snail VOTE
Hence if any candidate can capture the majority OF
the convention, he go to Chicago with the sohd
support of New-York State, and may in the present
unsettled state of the party. force himself upon the
democrats as their candidate for President For that
more interest attaches TO the decision of this
convention than to that of any other State The
convention itself only chooses for delegates-at-
large The delegates of each Congressional District
name two delegates, but those selections all have
20 be confirmed by the State Convention, as It's
credentials will a,one be recognized at Chicago,
under the established custom of the party.
BETWEEN CLEVELAND AND FLOWER
As TO who will come out ahead here, there is no
satisfactory means of determining. The race is ap-
parently between Cleveland and Flower. Both
sides are claiming majority. The Flower men are
confident There is no doubt that they will control
the convention, if the delegates chosen for Flower
stick TO him But powerful influences have been set
nj work by the Governor to change the opinions OF
some of the delegates, which leaves the result In
doubt All depends upon the action OF the dele-
gates from New-Y York and Brooklyn. Each OF the
l2s Assembly Districts IN the State sends three
delegates making 3s4 in all. MISREPRESENTATION OF
New-York and Kings ECounties comprises los dele
gates. or nearly onethird of the entire convention
The Broolxlyn delegates have not announced any |
candidate as their choice. They comprise the we'll
Known agang" ana are owned by boss
NoIauzhlin. Jim" Dunno and Billy Dwyer 'he
two prize fighters Tom" Lowery Pat hayers
and Others equally notorious are among the oeie-
ea,es from that city. Senator Jacobs leads the
8 vanzv He has been displeased with Cleveland
,bonyb the latters friends assert that there is no
,eason for il AS the Governor nominated Murtha for
Immi-ration Commissioner to please Jacobs But
an A. cent went from Albany on Friday to consult
with Boss" Mclaughlin and the news that ne
brousht back has led Boss Manning TO claim the
brooklyn delegation for Cleveland
IL is not improbable, however, that brooklyh
NAV conclude to present the name OF General slo-
cum. which would capture the convention IN case Oh
n close contest. - A.,
There is likely to be lively contest over the
.o,resertation of New-York City In 1850, the
Year following the Tammany bolt Of 1879, "a truce
was matched up at the well known arm
f,armD convention held here, when
John Kelly and Hubert o. Thompson came IN
together The representation of New-Iork was
eoually divided between Tammany and irving
Uall-Thompson then being at the head OF the lat
Ter organization. But Garfield carried the state
wbereupon "BossD Manning said that nothing
had been gained by placating Tammany. The next
,ear 1881 TamIaany was unceremOniously
licked out-refused even q single delegate,
although after the "condoning" OF the
previous lear thcr, was no ground 1or such
course The Democrats again lost the state ana
Tammany clearly demonstrated that it represented
The majority of the Democratic votes OF New
York City by eecting number OF its candidates
on the general ticket. At the next convention
Tammany was admitted on basis that would still
leave TO the County DemOcra y the credit
of being the regular organization. Tammany
yas allowed tweut y-four votes in tie conven-
sion. Irving Hall was given ten votes, whlie
Thompson's organization under the name OF 'he
Comfy Democracy was allowed thirtY-elght votes.
That di vision was again maintained In 1888. pu'
as Tammany In both years proved that IL mao nio'e
votes at the polls than the County democracy i's
leaders are no longer willing TO abide by that de-
eisIon
Mr.. Kelly has demanded that Tammany bave
.opal renresentatIon with the County Democracy
rhe Yesolution to that effect adopted by Tammany
on saturday night and Mr.. Kelly's outspoken
words that he Is no longer willing 10 accept 'ne
pcoffered terms of the Manning machine nave ere
a,ed CONSERVATION amoug Cleveands friends win
Che omen hostility of Tammany, his CANDIDACY iS I'LL
posuble But the Governor has insuited iamin%nS
over and over again. while Hubert o. Thompsons
interests have been consulted in every appoint
ment made by the Governor In Ne"-iorn
City. 1t is impossible, therefore. 10 Hh
what will be the result OF Iammanys
action, II II stands firm. A Manning agent mere
said to-day that II Tammany will agree TO support |
Cleveland 1T can have what it wants.
The County Democracy Ia solid for Cleveland. |
His ~ deal" with Thompson. fresh evidence OF |
which appears In bis veto Of the Tenure of Oh5oe
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