The clarion. [volume] (Jackson, Miss.) 1883-1888, 1884-07-02
REJo1HDER TO DIR. HUNTER.
No. 8.

In this review we shall use our spa
" to notice what is most important.
If we misrepresentcd Dales' meaRi
We should apologize; If we did not, l
u Hunter should do so If We did NJ
- this article is not needed, for the ca
~ ~ was closed by DR.. Hunter himself. Ds
= classifes bsptisms. According to hil
there are sleep baptisms, drunken ba
a. tisms and drug baptisms, ETC., and as
~ the quotation, physical baptism" if
Ia the passage in question, his languas
a fairly covers sleep, drunken and 9th
like baptisms, which DIR. Hunter CLAIM
le to be physical baptisms" in the sen
ID of Dales' definition, then we are in faul
1T If not, DIR. Hunter has surrendered.
G. This is clear statement of the cas-
Here is the corrected quotation, whic
+ is just as good with, as without tt
r article: can object wholly within waite
4 without limitation of mode in adectin
i such condition, or of time in abiding
!. such conditions, has been insisted upo
throughout this inquiry as physics
baptism"
Now, reader, and dear Doctor, too, d.
. eide whether in a drunken or slee
baptism or drug baptism the object
"ioHhim 1odter" The evidence that tn
! Doctor has made mistake, lies right o.
the surface. Dale affirms, that, "a phys
+ ical baptism" is "withinIwater." He cal
: not include in the phrase "physica
$ baptism," in this declaration, bap
. tisms where there is no water at all. DR.
Hunter must, upon reflection, admi
this. If he cordially appreciated" ou
appropriation of Dales' dietum, under tht
, idea that these other classes of baptism
were embraced in it, he made large
mistake, but only has himself to blame
for it; for the passage, water and all
was before him.
Further, Dale afirms that he had
throughout his inquiry insisted that al
object within water is physical bap
tism." This was his constant end un
varying dict,nl, as to that class of bap
tisrns. Therefore, he did not mean to
teach anywhere, that part this class
did not require an object within water,
Nothing could make the case palmer
The omission of the article, which we
did not discover till we read the Doctors
piece, in no way affects the sense. If a
naturalist, in classifying and describing
animals, should say horse is an animal
having four feet, he would mean that all
horses have four feet.
Dale would not write description of
a class of baptisms, insist on it through
out four books, and then turn round and
] say it is true of only part of the class.
Such course would eyinee greater folly
than we are willing to charge him with.
Again, why did DIR. Hunter cordially
appreciate our appropriation" of Dale,
as quoted, if it was garbled in such man
ner as to impair its sense? Is it not now
late for him to enter his complaint
Why did he not point out the omission
before he so cordially appreciated it2
We would have been glad, for the cor
rection suits us perfectly we'll.
Finally, on this point, in quoting an
author, it is sufficient to represent him
fully on the one point in hand. 1t is not
necessary to quote on all points We
have done Just that. On physical bap-
tisms," as he defines them, Dale and we
agree; but as to the others, we do not,
and we are discussing physical bap-
tisms."
Evidently the good Doctor came near
losing his usual good temper and his
point--a cluster of adversities.
Anent this point, we note that our
brother repeatedly quotes Carson as say
ing that he has all the lexicons against
him. He ought o-quote enough tolet
Carson explain just how, and in what
particular, but he doss not; yet, we be-
lieve with all our heart that DIR. Hunter
is an honest, good hammered Christian
Al = Of
human weakness, which now and then
unbalances the better man.
But to the drunken and sleep bap-
tisms, &c. we have not avoided them be-
cause they presented any difficulty, but
for lack of space we remark, first, that,
if they are different, literal baptism mot
tropieaD, then they do not concern this
discussion; for no such baptisms are en-
ioined on Christians. We discuss water
baptism for such Christ commanded. On
this subject, We will let Prof. Sophocles
speak. OF him, President WooIsey said,
81 consider Prof. Sophocles the best
Greek scholar in America" His defini
tions of baptiso are as follows: "to dip,
to immerse; to sink; to be drowned, as
the effect of sinking. Tropically, to
aflict, soaked in liquor, intoxicated,
sunk, Gin ignorance). Middle voice, to
perform ablution, to bathe, bathed (in
tears); to plunge, Ga knife); mergo, mer-
gito, lingo or tinquo, to baptize Sophie
cles then adds to the above definitions
the remark. "there is no evidence that
Luke and Paul and the other writers of
the New Testament put upon this verb
meanings not recognized by the Greeks"
Prof. Sophcles was anatiye Greek, and
spoke the Greek language. Liddell and
Scott give as metaphorical uses soaked
in wine, "over head and ears in deb"
drowned with questions" We have in
English corresponding expressions,
which give no one any trouble OF a
drunk man, we say, He is. in liquor"
or He is deep in his cups, or something
if very drunk, "He is deep in his cups,
II man were to argue from Tin liquor
that man:got drunk by getting in liquor
literally, or to be in a liquid, really
means to have the liquid in one, what
would be thought of his phylology ?
Take sin his cups" Now suppose DR..
Hunter proves to us from this, that to be
sin cups really and literally means to
have the contents of cups in us. Try it,
Doctor. We say Immersed in debt"
Taking book from newsboy on the
train recently, on two pages We read the
following: Byron, writing to his uncle
about his debts, says: i am cursedly
dipped" OF Goldsmith it was said, He
SWAN in debt OF Richard Steele, He
became drowned in greater debt than
ever In Lucille, Lord Vargrave says
he dipped himself into hedge to hide
himself from Lucille and the French
Duke. To attempt to constTHe such
passages literally is to plunge into the
greatest confusions; to undertake to
avoid their force, is useless. To under
take to construe literal passages by such
tropical passages is the greatest possible
phyIogical blundering. We doubt, If it
was ever attempted outside the realms
religious controversy. Instead Of weaken
ing the literal force of words, such ex
pressions reveal. in clearer light, the
ground meaning of them.
DR.. Hunter says, Dale says that the |
intusp0siti0n in water Is for Hnlimited
time. and here Mr. Gambrell sounds
note Of diseord to this, saying, it makes |
no difference about the length of time.
He says we are agreed on this, but ! say
ere are not.
Then you repudiate your cordial ap-
preciation of what Dale said He said |
Tan object within water without limi-
tation Of mode in efecting such con-
diti0n or time IL abiding a. such con-
5itioa. &c. If there Is no limitation Of |
time, it might be one thousand years, or
: moment. We endorse this to a letter
and you. cordially appreciated the sap-
precipitation And now you say We
never nlisrepresent you and wish DR..
Dale to teach us manners and moralss
q. dearl The Doctors charges Of mis-
r6bfssent tati0n lack force.
5['Isie a i i,rr,l1er r11aee to consider he