Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1883-04-07
DUNNELL TALKS.
he rs INTERVTERED By Il CHIC4GO
REPORTER IND SPEAKS FREELY.
What He Thinks of the Appointment of
Gresham-New VIII Have to Step Down
and Out-The Land Grant Railroads
Democrats on the Tariff Issue-His Con-
fict With Window.
lChicago Tribune, April 6.

Congressman Dunnell and family passed
through Chicago last evening en- route
from Washington to Minnesota. ''The ap-
pointment Of Judge Gresham said Mr.
Dunneil, "was quite unexpected. Every
body supposed John G. New, of Indiana,
ex-United States treasurer, was to get the
place. Gresham's appointment is great
surprise to the politicians. New is now
cut off altogether from cabinet position.
If the congressman, senators and politi-
clans had known anything at all of
Arthur's intentions, that knowledge was to
the effect that New was going into the
cabinet. Nothing seemed more certain
than Folger's resignation as secretary
of the treasury, ana News appointment to
succeed him, but is all over, for Indiana
can't have two cabinet portfolios at the
same time"
''Don't New like the treasurership?"
Il don't think he even expected to retain
it long, but looked upon it as a stepping
stone to something better. New is rich,
and where he is now, he has no more polit-
ical power than one of his clerks. He has
no appointing power and is subject in all
he does to the supervision of the secreta-
ry."
ga sort of head bookkeeper for the gov
ernment"
That's about it,
'Who do you think were back of Gresh-
ANS appointment
81 think that John w. Foster,of Indiana,
was the moving spirit; it looks that way to
me-"
(Which means that Judge Gresham's ap-
pointment was a satisfactory one to the
stalwart element in Indiana"
81 don't know about that. I Go know
however, that l never heard Judge Gresh-
ANS name mentioned until 1 saw his ap-
pointment in the paper. 1 see he is going
to accept, and think Gresham is fool
ish man to leave the bench. Here he is, a
man fifty nine years old, with position
for life, at say $4,000 year, with no par
ticular cares. When he is seventy years
old he can retire and draw his pay.
Twenty three months will soon roll around,
and that is all the time he will be in his
new Office. 1t will pay, say $4,000 year,
during that time, but it is life
full of cares and relations, and a
| most grave responsibility. Still, Judge
| Gresham may believe that it will provide
for the stepping to greater honors. But
here is David Davis, how great are his po-
litical prospects. (You needn't say this in
| the paper but think that Gresham has
| not acted wisely"
"Don't you think that Frank Hatton ex-
pected the placer"
81 suppose that Mr.. Hatton was being
pressed for the Office by his friends, but a
| day or two before the nomination was
made, I understood Hatton was satisfied
| with his present place and that ne was not
urging himself upon the president. had
| regarded Judge Howe.of Wisconsin,as the
| strongest candidate with good prospect
of success, and really expected to see the
announcement in the papers of his hav-
in received the appointment"
evil the tariff question engage the
| Democratic congress.
| Eyes sir, think that the next house will
| attempt further revision of the TARIFF
| upon what do you base your opinion ?'
"Well, in many things the new tariff is
| crude and on many articles of general
| consumption the proper reductions have
| not been made, and the amount of money
from custom dues which will be placed in
| the national treasury under the new law
| will not be much less than under the old
one. The apparent reductions will prove
| to be much less because of the new class
| ifcations in the new tariff bill. The re-
vision of this winter will make the work OF
revision by the next congress much easier,
| as a much smaller number of items will
come under revision"
"Why did congress not legislate upon
the lapsed land grants?''
Swell think it was more from the want
| of time than from anything else. Of
| course 1 don't know how much the action
of the judiciary committee had to do with
| putting of legislation as 1 was not a mem
Der of that nor the land committee.
think the inability OF the house to push the
matter had a good deal to do with it,
''Do you think that the lapsed grants
ought to revert to the government and be
opened to settlements"
''No, not when the states or roads to
which they were made were doing their
best to earn them. Take the Northern Pa
cific, for instance, it is going. on in good
faith, constructing its railroad. Where no
attempt is being made to earn lands, 1
think they ought to revert back to the ma
tional government and give the people
chance to settle upon Them"
'What do you think of the political out
look?"
81 think at the present time there are
not very many encouraging signs for
either of the great parties. 1t is pretty
difficult to see just how either party is going
to WIN in the next presidential contest.
'The next session of congress will have
very much to do with shaping the cam
paign of 1884; especially is this the case
with the house of representatives, which is
the body for mischief or good, and which
makes and defeats the parties, much more
than the senate. A wise organization by
the Democrats of the next house will give
the lead to the Democratic party. The
discussions within the Republican ranks
are not incurable, but if the next congress
does not give the Republican party mate
rial to go into the camp with, it win labor
under an immense disadvantage"
"Won't the tariff issue largely divide the
parties:"
How much twill act towards disinte-
grafton of the parties is hard to tell. The
political ground now is exceedingly shaky,
the action of congress next winter will
have much to do with it. In Minnesota the
personal fights in the Republican party are
over and to-day the party is as substantial
as it has been in the past"'
"Well, you retaliated on Senator Win