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Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1883-11-05
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ENGLAND'S NAVAL POWER.

An article in the Rcrue DIES Deur Afondes
on Italy and the Levant,' written by an
officer OF the French navy, says at ap.
pears that in the first rank of the opponents
oi our legitimate claims in the Levnnt we
must place England, our constant rival. We
believe that the real strength of England
is much overestimated, and that we bow
too easily before her naughty will through
not examining too closely the disproporion
that exists between her pretensons and the
actual force with which she can back them.
Never was there better comparison than
that oil IA Colossus with feet of clay applied
TO this vast empire, of which it is said, more
correctly than that Of Charles v, that the
sun never sets on it. Twenty cruisers of
great ileetuess thrown on the chief CONNER
cial routes Of the world, and commanded by
scameu resolved on Il war without quarter
the real war-would be sufficient, however,
TO strike England TO the heart. CONNER
cial monopoly, which is the very life OF
England, would be annihilated in few
months. Not one OF the powerful colonies,
on behalf Of whom she has never waged
colonial war, would assist her with single
man or guinea in purely English quar-
rel, where their material interests, SO dis
tinct from hers, would not themselves
be in peril The Dominion of Canada, the
free States Of Australia, South Africa and
New Zealand would quickly proclaim their
independence and their national autonomy.
English statesmen know this well, and her
naval officers know it better still. The ques-
ton of the Alabama, whose very name sums
up the commercial ruin of the United States,
the rival then so Justly feared by the mer-
chants of England was settled, not by right
for when has England ever cared for jns
tic?-but through the salutary dread which
she begins to feel at the constant transforma
tions OF other navies before the new condi-
tiols of naval warfare, as day by day we
see more clearly that the essential factor,
not of victory in pitched battles, but Of the
final success Of the struggle belongs to speed,
and the ubquity which that assures, still
more than to the power Of cannons or the
tlichne of ironclads. The sailors know
this, and are constantly raising the cry OF
alarm. Our great peril if war overtakcs us
lies in the present state of our navy This
cry England hears, and comprehends it,
gloomy menace. Nmporte! She may
double the number of her ironclads and
fast cruisers, she knows well they
will be useless to save her commerce-but
war will not overtake her, for she will
draw back from war whenever her com
merce would be endangered on the bloody
field Of battle"
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1883-11-05

LONDON IN TOTAL DARKNESS. On Thurs
day morning, October II, for upwards of
two hours the metropolis was enveloped in
a fog Of extraordinary density Residents
in the suburbs arriving in the city between
seven aud eight o'clock found that the
usual aatumnal morning mist was hanging
over it but this was soon after followed
by midnight gloom similar to that which
is said to precede an earthquake The
streets themselves were comparatively clear,
but over the highest buildings heavy clouds
hung through which no ray Of light could
penetrate After time the dense black
ness was slightly relieved by the thinning
of the canopy, and a lurid, ghastly light
struggled through The street lamps were
not lighted for some time, and traffic was
rendered dangerous-.ne drivers OF vehicles
having slowly and cautiously to feel their
way along, shouting to indicate their where
abouls to each other. Shops and offices were
lighted up, otherwise foot passengers would
have found locomotion exceedingly difficult.
On the emDahkment, in the side streets
where there are no shops, in some Of the
squares and courts, and in the neighborhood
of large public buildings like the Law
Courts, where no lights were displayed, the
danger of collision was very great. ln Hol-
born, Cheapside, and on the bridges, the
electric light was Immediately turned on
and messengers were sent to the residences
| of the city lamplighters 20 summon them to
duty. 1t was, however, nearly half past
ten before they got TO work, and by that
time the fog began TO lift. At eleven
| o'clock but little of it remained. AS soon
as the character Of the morning was per-
ceived, the reserve men at the different po-
lice stations were sent 10 the various points
to regulate the traffic. There were numrr-
ous blocks in Cheapside and the neighbor-
hood of Black frinrs but vehicles were not aS
seriously delayed as might have been eN-
pected and no collisions or street accidents
have been reported. All the railway trains
were delayed, and on the river the steamers
ceased TO run.
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SCHEME:
'I'Il ~ I.il Ia
CAPITAL PRIZE s., ,ON

:56 Prizes distributing $1,000
TICKETS ONLY 81.
Plan of Lottery similar TO that of Louisiana
Company.
J. +. HORBACH, Manager.
Special attention is invited to the following
certified deposit
NORFOLK. Va, October %, 1888.
$1,000 TERY coIPASy '5lFAs; '%S"t has deposited
with Burruss Son & Co. bankers. Thirteen Thou
sand and Fifty Dollars to meet the prizes in the
drawing, to take place on November -, 1883. ;
BURRUSS, SON & co.
Application for club rates or for information
upon any other business. should be plainly writ
ten, giving State. County and Town of writer.
Rcmittanccs should be sent by Express rather
than by p. o. money orders or registered letters.
Express charges upoa 50 aud larger sums will
bc paid !y the company.
Address plainly p. HORBACl,
Norfolk, Va.
Agents for sale of Tickets required throughout
the State, Address applications as above. oct2
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AUCTION S.fLES.
By Green & Wise Auctioneers.

By Green Wise Auctioneers.
rAlE OF SAREPTA HALL. KING STREET.
Hinder authority Of two deeds Of trust from
William Cnp,.u and wife, dated respectively April
/. 1876. aud August IL. 1879 Of record IN the
CORPORATION Court of Alexandria | w!ll sell at
mblir Auction on lhr premises, on SATURDAY
November IT, lSS', At ] IN.
MOIETY OF THAT TENE.
MENT AND LOT OF GROUND,
!, ty,, city of Alexandria, Virginia. on the north
sid, of King street, between Pitt and ROYAL
streets commonly known US the SARE'rA HALL
PROPERTY. Terms cash.
S. FERGUSON BEACH,
oct2O-eots lrnslec.
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LOI'TER y,
A BRILLIANT SCHEME
THE DISMAL SWAMP LOTTERY,
II NORFOLK. VA

The franchise of this enterprise is based upon
the charter granted hy the Legislature of the
State to the Dismal Swamp Canal Company, and
its legality has been fairly tested before the court
The object in view is the improvement and
extension of the Canal, and that full opportunity
may be given for the purchase of the tickets of
which there only
25,0OO WITH 35G PRIZES,
the Drawing has been liked for the
21d OF NOYEM BER, 1883,
at which time, WITHOUT POSTPONEMENT, it
will be made in the city of Norfolk, before the
public, and under the supervision of a committee
OF reliable citizens. and in like manner each sue
cccling month.
ise' Tickets hearing date September Goth hold
good for the Drawing of 22d November.
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DRY GOODS.
To Read This, is to Save Money.

We are not ont with flashing Newspaper Adyer-
tisements, as we are too busy without them. Al.
though we employ ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY
Statesmen AND SALEsLADIEs, our Customers
would suffer by the rush, if it was larger. All We
want to call your attention to is our Stock of
LADIES AND CHILDREN'S CLOAKS,
All of the most fashionable styles. We have mis-
calculated the QUANTITY Of our purchases aud
find that if we sell mt the rate of one hundred
day until the 1st of January our assortment would
still be large enough to stock any two Houses in
this city
We therefore have concluded not to wait until
the latter pant OF the Season. but to reduce prices
at once q such figures as will make them sell.
Our TEN. DOLLAR RADAME SATIN CIRCULAR,
QUILTED LINING, is WORTH FIFTEEN DOLLARS
All our goods are made
EXPRESSLY FOR Us, OR MANUFACTURED
By Us ON OUR FOURTH FLOOR.
DO not neglect this opportunity, but call at once,
even if you have no intention to buy at present
A few words about our STOCK OF BLANKETS.
We have attended three TRADESALEs OF BLANK
ETs i'll New York and find we have over
ONE HUNDRED CASES
on hand. The goods were bought 40 per cent
Cheaper than last years prices. which insures us
against loss even if We would carry them over to
next year. What we dread is the idea Of carrying
them, for want OF Storage ROOM We shall there
fore sell them, with small advance on cost by
the single pair, at prices which will throw all
competition in the shade.
We are selling a 1O.4 Blanket at 1.2O pair.
We are selling an all-woo warranted . lbs at
50 10 pair
Wholesale dealers are selling them at $3.50, and
al finer goods in proportion. We have them as
large rs Id, and guarantee you saving of at
least 40 per cent
We trust that long and we'll established
Reputation. for Reliability will plsce. with an
Intelligent Public. all Statements of Unscrupulous
Competitors on their Respective Merits.
Lansburgh & Bro,
42O. A22 AND 424 SEVENTH STREET.
ort"l-tjan1 WASHINGTON, d. G.
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Wanted Immediately four or FIVE first
class Coat Hands. None but first class
hands need apply.
NJ. J. WATERMAN, Merchant Tailor.
oct27 Cor King and Fairfax streets
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1883-11-05

Four or FIVE first class Coat Hands want
ed Immediately. Apyly to
NJ. J. WATERMAN, Merchant Tailor
oct27 Cor. King and Fairfax street.
Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1883-11-05

Wanted immediately four or five first
class Coat Hands None but lirst-class hands
need apply.
NJ. j. WATERMAN. Merchant Tailor.
oct27 Cor King and Fairfax streets.
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CLOTHING AND FURNISHINGS.
UtRDWAkE IND CUTLERY.

hIhDb mann Li-tH 70 LLtI'
IAMES f. CARLlN x SONS,
NO. SO KING STREETS
ALEXA VIRGINIA.,
Wholesale and Retail Dealers in
HARDWARE AND CUTLERY.
Buildcrs' Hardware. Locks, Hinges. Screws
DuorBclts I.atcies &c. Saddery. Hardware
Bride Bits. buckles, Rings, Hames. &C., &c.
Whceiwrights' Hardware, AXles, Rims, Hubs,
Spokcs, Sawed Fellows, Tire Iron, &c, Pocket,
Table Carving. and Butcher Knives, &c., Gums,
Pistols. &c 4 full and complete stock of first
class goods away in store and sold AT lowest cash
prices sug15
J. W. pEAKE. D. W. SALLs
DEAEE / MALLS.
Dealers in
DOORS, SASH, ELENDS. HARDWARE,
PAINTS. Oils Leads. Cement, Liuicr cncined
Plaster, Slate Mantlcs, liearths. Re.
CORNER KING AND ST. ASApH STREETS,
m,15 Alexandria Va.
EOIN +. CREIGHTON ( son,
Wholesale and Retail Dealers in
HARDWARE. CUTLERY, HORSE SHOES IRON,
PLOUGH CASTINGS. NAIL RODS. AHLE
GREASE. WAGON MATERIALS.
HOUSEk EErERS' GOODS &c.
| No. So King street, Alexandria, Virginia,
Imh8]
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Woodward & Lothrop,
octao BOSTON DRY GOODS HOUSE.
Tricot Cloths, Diagonal Cloth, BloldCl0th
FOR TAILOR-MADE SUITS.

FOR TAILOR-MADE SUITS.
We have just opened large stock Of the %h"Ha
goods in the most desirable shades.
Full stock of new Dress Goods ust received, IA
Guiding all the novelties.
Silks, Velvets and Satins in great variety.
We are offering decided bargains ~ Broetda
Vevets, Black and Colors.
Elegant stock Black Brocade Silks, Fruit de
signs.
Silk Velvets in all the choice colorS.
Great Bargain in CoIorcd Silk Nclvcts Al 50.
Lyons Black Yelvets in every grade, from 80
to SO per yard.
We have just purchased a small lot OF Real India
Shawls, which offer at half their real
value.
Very large and elegant stock of frst-class Black
Goods In buying Black Goods, par'icu!at!y,it it l.
always economy to get the best.
Housekce pcrs' Linens and Cottons in. every
grade.
Full stock of Table Linen and Napkins in new
designs.
VIM. M. SHUSTER { SONS,
919 Penn. Ave-, Washington, y. c.
n. R.-THE BEST Is THE CHEAPEST.
prt19-1m
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Four or five irst-class Coat Hands wanted
Immediately. Apply to
NJ ]. WATERMAN, Merchant Tailor.
oc27 Cor. King and Fairfax streets.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1883-03-03
4 TALK NTH GoTEhNoR FOSTER.

Governor Charles Foster, of Ohio, is at the
Fifth Avenue Hotel H. said yesterday that the purpose
OF his visit here chiefly 10 witness some experiments
ON the line OF the Postal Telegraph Company, in winch
he is interested, between here aud Cleveland.
Ohio The wire was OF Oruer yesterday and
satisfactory test could be made. Speaking OF the
next state eecon In Ohio, the Governor sald thai II
was one Of vast importance. Governor Treasurer.
Auditor Judges the Supreme Court are to be
elected and with the offices gained at the last election,
the Democrats will successful this time, have COM
oee control the House for the first time since
the organization OF the X publican parry. However.
Governor Fster appre end any such result The
Repubhoans, he said, had not begun their eau
yass yet but quietly looking about Tor the nest
men for the offices Amos Townsend and General Bar
nett both OF Cleveland, had en- named, but the seec
ton would not be made until inc cohVeh-
tion met Asked whether was oan-
dIdate he replied in the negative, and added
Among the Democratic candidates are Judge Geddes,
of Ma sfel l. an Ben lie Feyre, at present ConArese
man Concerning Judge Hoadry Governor Foster ex'
pressed the opinion he was TO run ne woulu oe ae
featel At the request OF so lac OF tao on ana wool
manufacturers OF Olio Governor F0ser VIII go 10 WASH
'ington to try to kill the Senate Iarin Dill.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1883-03-03
WASHINGTON NOTES.

WASHINGTON, Friday, March ?, 1883
BoNp FxCHANGYs-The total amount of exchanges OF
so per cent bonds into pr cents TO date S29l 253-
200 which the OF $50 was exchanged shce
February l.
THE PRESIDENCY OF THE sENATE.-The Republican
members Of the Senate held caucus this evening ana
Iseeeed Mr. EdmunGs their candidate Tor President
pro teIn 10 succeed Mr. Davis There was 40 opposition
THE CABINET MEETISG.-An the members OF the Cabi-
net were present at to-days except the secre
frV of the Treasury The question Of calling an ex IA
session OF Congress under consideration The gen.
eral sentiment was against IT,
A NEW TURKISH REGULATIoM-The Department OF
State has been apprsed OF regulation issued by the
Govern nemt Turkey, requiring persons from WHAT
ever place, travelling in s dOnniOEs, u have their
vised the cOnsuls Of tnat government at
the point OF departure.
FATHER CHAPELLA AND THE TABOR MARRIAGE-The
Rev Dr. Chapea says that had he known or suspected
that senator Tabor Miss Lizzie McCOnrt had gone
through the divorce courts. be would not have oncated
AT Their marriage. He made what he thought careful
invest gaiOn aud, the statement is correct he AYERS
that he was mIsinfOrmed by tue parties concerned.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1883-03-03

Mr. Alien says that he has not gone over al carman's
work. but he reached the foregoing result arer th
examination Of his cash accounts HOW IN Iru moro
there be he s unable to say wltnout "a
tended exainina ion OF vouchers and cash books.
letter of Mr. Roome the chairman OF tue Executive
COMMITTEES that has been investg hting the companys
AFFAIRS was also received to-day. aud is In part as io
owsi
"In connection with the statement OF f-oruhIy ~,
be- 10 say that Il ia reiy certain nat tne
full amount therein named VIII De reanzeo Du
possible loss of 81 o 900 be made; ana as 10 tne
liabilities all claims therein have bten made Ior tneI
full face, although in many cases we expect
able reduction by compromise number OF the cases
being disputed on Ouhds wnlch our counsel say aTe
sufficient relieve the company entirely II IL were sun
In operation and in position to contest
A statement was published yester lay III relation 10
the condition Of the suspended Mammalian fre llsur-
ance Company to the effect that there was
a discrepancy OF $4,000 yet unaceounted Tor
between statement made tn the insurance
Department and the true condition OF aflars as snoWn
b the rec nj examination by expert accountant In
uuries among the officers OF the company mace by
IuBUNE OTTER Yesterday showed that the pasls VI
STATE NAL report ma &c last Oc,oDrr
bY Andrew j. Smith, I p"csdr nt OF the COMPANY,
10 DepLty superintendent Mccall. IN I ths
report there "a large ,erestimate-aDout 3louOOo,
fact-as tIe cunt which would cost 10 relnSe
the risks held by COMPANY. The fhehlk COMPANY,
h ca ~ The rensurer moreover, refused 10 accept inc
risks until all the outstanding policies rhou" w
submitted in schedule, anu pending tue preparation
OF schedu e., IL IA said the losses were asru
ne ry $4,000 These aud thc othcr thht Iss
money was received outstanding accounts from tue
az N tlau du in the estimation OF insurance heu,
explain the reported diser paucy.
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1883-03-03
TrTANs At DkLMONICUS HALL.

High Olympus shook on Thursday night with
terror at the shouts OF "sve saly which rose from
the symposum OF the Titan sons Of Earth in Delmon-
ioos high banquet hall Fifty Of the huge
lnbed progeny OF Terra were gathered there
TO do honor 20 their mother Earth. The Titan
Committee OF Arrangements had preparations for
more h al one hundre of their brethren, but half OF the
expected number We're absent. II was not announced
WHY they stayed away, but IL thought that they
might be taking 1t holding the world OF were
repeating The ttle experiment with PeoD and OssA OF
That possibly tney had been hired by papa Jupiter 10
shovel clouds away fo the front doorsteps ot OJ mpus
The Titans who were not engaged IN either
of thse occupations marched into the banquet
hall nt O'clock, led by dusky sou OF LieDus ABOUT
sey, feet hi 90 who alOft the Titanic OehAef o. the
order. ia different pars OF tho room Iuele WIZ arg
yht statues OF nyInpns aud vesial virgins or Apollo
and Hercules and Orpueus and lair venus AItct an
nvoc cation had been read by ne rev D. tru 9,
suttu "nigh priest" beginning 80 Mater
Terra, audiW tue fitan' SAT down ana
n~gan their feast This ended, SANITATION
yns given by John Il. Woodward, Chef OF Ttals, ana
the song uf Titan Broker was sung by j. H. LAn
Tben followed q "coremOI in welcome 10 inc Ehesss O.
tnr Ter" winch rec 'iVeJ by David Du ley fleiu
IN, sop guest Mr. FIpi praised tins beauty OF MOther
Eartn an exported his brother Titans 10 ren5mDe ta
ehe maj married Father Heaven. The Itnns san ines
tuey wou forget that imp irtlnt 10 T. Ater son
sa vel Mater Terra" Sassuug, tnomas W. Knox rAu
norn ABOUT Ulysses how tue Greoitu warrior nlu
IN with the Tro aud nov 10 "aAou 40
Nj ans ais versa lilties vursied in verse, oOmpens 80
historian TO try OF papet IN telling tue Story oi @
trre nes" here were IN % prel siI dlhrrenl g a.,
,,,nn II yssrs ths is" " klases," femss ~, guee
de- wnere oils. IT," and abysses" dhors Wese
many songs sung, among which waa"ne W W. - NA'"
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1883-03-03
INCIDENTS IN SOCIETY.

Twenty three of the artists who OCCUPY the
upper floors OF the building OF the Young Mems Christian
Association at Twenty-thirds ST. and Fourttave held
reception their studios Thursday afternoon
nInS The crowded during the reception with
the friends of the artists and arEe number OF pcares
exhibited for their ms )ection. william Hart
showed several paintings OF cattle. Benjamin Rein
hart. whose studio opened yesterday afternoon for
the first time In two years. had on his walls, After the
CrIcifxion" "KaLrina Van Tassel" "POOahontas aud
her Maidehs Bringing Corn settler" Nymphs Of
the Woods" and several small skethes Walter sasterlee
showed large canvas called " Autumn" and Jerome
Thompson numoer of fl positio and large
landscape. Among the artists who received were
f. TAFT W. $. Macy, j. b. BRISTOL Frank T. Lent, Peoli,
II. A. Ferguson, George H. Story, J. X Breyoort, E.
Dangerded, c. VILLA nson c, H. Eaton N. A. Moore,
Ogllys, L. NJ Wiles o. j. Lay, Lyel Carr, F. +. Mar
tinez, G. II. McCord and j. R. stiles Amsng the many
persons present at tn reception Professor Scott
the Rev. Dr. H. O. Potter X. e. Robertson. Mrs. Palmer,
j. Welles Champney. II. p. Smith, W. II. Low. J. ID.
sm.lne G.. H. SmiLie Kruseman Van Ellen. L. NJ. Ward
aud Bruce Crane
The members Of the Thursday Evening Club enter
tanned Thur'day night by Miss Lazarus at her house
NO3i East Fttysevens Invitations were restricted TO
me Lbers or tue club, Of wn0m OVef bunlrel were
present Mrs Frauces Hodgson Burnett vas present as
guest OF honor. Tue play OF Anti zone was READ oy
George Rde, it being the fist time that be had read 1t
in public: ....,.. Co. .,,,,suo,
Thlrsdav
Mrs. C. L. Iewr Perkins and Mrs. David s. Egles
ton held biOns
Mrs. william Rdneander gave q dinner party at her
house Washington Square.
Mr.. and Mrs. Henry c. Brown gave a musical re-
ceptiOn.
Mrs. Edwqrd LOrimer en- aimed the Browning cub.
Mr.. and Mrs. V. Mumford Moore gave diHner party.
Francis MJultOn, o. 81. Louis and Miss Annie Horn g,
OF Jersey City Heights, ried AZ st. Jonps free
Protestant Episcopa Churcn, Jersey City, on THURSDAY
pm by the Rev L. l.. Sodd ri, the rec Or assisted
by the G.. II. Sterling reception wa neld after
the ceremony house OF the brides father large
company presen5. -,
Dinner par lee were gwen by Mrs. J. D. Rockefeller,
Of the Hotel Bfunsw wick Mrs. Woodbury. c. Lagdon OF
No 710 Ffth-ave, and Mrs. Meyer, OF west fory-seV
ent st
Mr. and Mrs W. s. Dunn VINO were married recently
al Louisville KY, held reception last evening AT the
Windsor HOCel.