Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1883-03-27


and made ointment of them: and in some
| states there were still laws that barred a
| man from telling the truth because he did
| not believe as some other man or some other
| book, and this, too, after Darwin had lived
/ and died. There used 20 be a law to make
a man catch poor negro woman with her
| child in her arms, and give her back to the
| bloodhounds and the lash. He hoped the
court would not entertain the proposition.
The court said that with mennot in Off
cial positions, it was a private matter as
to what they thought of laws. If they IN
| dertook to violate it they were responsible,
but judge was not at liberty to say that
he liked this law and disliked that, that he
would administer this one and ignore that.
They were not made by the court and it
could only apply them. As to the theological
| question discussed at such length, the court
would not go into that. It was uRneces-
| sary. The act of March %, 1878, made a
defendant witness, and that settled that
point. So then the only question of COM
potency was whether Dorsey was defend
ant. When a new law was introduced, and
without limitation, it said The defendant
| shall be a witness. No other competency
was required. The other view the court
would not pass upon. 1t would not go into
the theological view, nor beyond the law
of 1878.
Merrick inquired what is the necessity
for swearing witness under this view.
The court replied: $50 that he may be
punished for perjury if he does not tell
the truth"
Merrick acknowledged the answer was
sufficient. lie then went on to disavow
any intention of preventing the witness
from testifying. The government was de-
sirous he should testify.
The Court-Administer the oath.
Irgersoll-He may swear Or affirm.
The W1tness-Oh had Just as leave
swear.
The oath was then administered and
Ingersoll began the examination. Witness
was visibly agitated and in instances
scarcely waited for the concl usion of a
question before answering. He testified
as follows:
Became acquainted with Miner in 1866
or 1867 at Sandusky, Ohio. Had known
Peck for fifteen years at the time of his
death. 1t was a business relation at first,
Peck being secretary and witness treasurer
of railroad company. Peck subse--
quently married a sister of witness wife
and died i'll August, 1881. First saw Vale
in 1879, but did not make his acquaintance
at that time. John W. Dorsey is his broth
or. Knew boone in 1874 while he was
postoffice clerk. First met Brady at the
Cincinnati convention in 1876, and John
H. Walls in New Mexico in 1876 Or 1877.
Did you ever enter into an agreement
with Brady, John Dorsey, Vale, Miner, or
any of them to defraud the govern
mes by bidding for mail contracts?
The witness, -passionately- never
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body at any place or at any time.
Question-Did you ever conspire with.
them to defraud the government?
Answer never entered into a conspi-
racy with them of any kind
Question-Did you pay money to Gener-
al Brady to influence his official actions?
The witness, excitedly-I never had
transaction with Gen. Brady to the extent
of one cent in my life. 1 never paid him
a cent, or promised to pay him cent for
any possible purpose.
Question-Dld you every pay Mr.. Tyner
money or stock to influence his official
actions while he was assistant postmaster
general?
Answer-No.
Objection was made, and the question
and answer were struck out.
|. Witness made the same answer in re-
gard to Turner, which was also stricken
out.
Ingersoll cautioned the witness not to
answer before the other side had an oppor-
tunity to object.
Questions touching upon the payment of
money or stock to McGrew and Lilly were
excluded.
Questionable you ever give any direc-
tons to Reerdel either verbally or in writ
ing, to open an account with VIM. Smith.
''Never in the world"
Question-Or with Samuel JonesS
Answer-Never.
Question-Or with John II. Mitchell,
| AnsWer-No.
Questionable you ever state to Reer-
del, or anybody, that Wn. Smith stood for
Brady?
An,wer-In the first place there was no
Smith on my books. In the second place
l never saw it.
The prosecution wished to exclude the
answer, but the court allowed it to stand.
Question-When did you first hear that
anybody alleged that you had an account
with Smith and Jones.
sit never came to my knowledge until
after ReerdePs statement to James and
MacVeagh. That was jhs first time ever
AASNAN VI tliN OOO1AC3 etItO AtCSANOA hcSS WY
first one to tell Us of his statements"
The court adjourned at this point.
IN SECRET SESSION.
Mr.. Ker of counsel for the government.
in the star route cases, spent the greatsI
part of the Gay Today III the grand iHry-
room. Owing to the precautions taken to,
prevent the public from getting any pre-
mature information with regard TO the
grand iury's deliberations, it was not
possible to learn the names of the witnesses
summoned, but there seems to be nodoubt
that there has been hearing of charge
OF conspiracy against Thos. j. Brady and
ex-senator Kellogg, in connection with GER
tain southwestern star routes. Persons
whose sources of information are believed
to be trustworthy assert positively that the
grand jury has already agreed upon pre-
sentiment, and that necessary papers are
in course of preparation and the pre- sent
ment will be returned to the court to-mor-
row or next day.
Business Troubles.
PITTsBURG, March 26.-Excitement was
| Occa SiODed at tho oil avnhoDra 1,;s ,,o.-