The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1883-08-16
TWO VIEWS OF IRELAND.
cardinal Manning Thinks the Situa-
ton Is Greatly Improved.
Views of the Churchman on Home Rule and
Assisted EmigratiOn-The Treatment
of Irish Paupers.

New York Herald Interview with Cardinal Manning.
The state of affairs in Ireland seems very
much more satisfactory than it short
time ago." said your correspondent SIS not
your Eminence of my opnon2'
Decidedly" replied the CARDINAL, 81 am very
hopeful indeed of Ireland-very hopeful. The
sand act has done great deal of good Its e.
feet has been immense and widespreading.
Disputes about rents are no longer questions to
be fought out by landlord and tenant and set
Eled in any arbitrary fashion. They are matters
in which landlord and tenant both are compelled
40 bow to the Judgment of an imperial court.
Justice has taken the place of injustice. large
number of cases have already, as you know,
been brought before the land court for investi-
CATION; but this has not been the only effect of
the new legislation, for even greater number
of amcable rrangements have been come to
outside the courts, since the passing of the land
acts, by people anxious TO avoid the expense and
Inconvenience InseparabIs from litigation.
eyes" repeated his EmInence, 81 have great
hope for IRE land now. II the government will
only go on as it has begun and rule the country
with justice, all will be well, 1 trust love
Ireland, and long to see her treated with fair
ness. As Sir John Davis once said, NO country
in the werd can be more easily ruled than Ire
land by Justice
much remains to be DONE however Govern
ment having done what it has for the tenant
farmer, should like TO see it next approach the
question OF The Irish laborer. I suppose
there eight hundred thousand or a million
1aborers in Ireland whose condition at this
ment cries aloud for Improvement. II is only
right that their material comfort should be
attended to- Hunger and thirst and cold
not things likely to promote peace and stop dis
content in Ireland. The laborers should have
hemeans Of decent livelihood given them; they
cannot be allowed to starve If we to an
end Of agitation and disorder. 1 have thought
over this point good deal, and 1t seems to me
that what the Irish laborer most needs is de-
Gent cottage and patch of garden sufficient for
him to grow the vegetables he requires for his
sustenance A garden would, believe be pre-
feraole to small farm; fo- unless he have at
least twenty or thirty acres he would probably
IND farming an excellent means of starving. but
a very bad means of living. To farm success
July you must have capital AS | said just
Portable
LAS the material prosperity of the country
grows SO Will the difficulty OF ruling Ireland di-
minlsh. There may yet be bright future for
Ireland, but this can only he OH two conditions.
The influence of the continental secret societies
in ireland must be checkmated somehow-that
is one condition; and the American dynamite
conspirators must no longer be tolerated. Paris
and New Iork-between them-if allowed their
way, would break up any established order"
docs your Eminenee really and seriously
think, Them said your correspondent, "that the
continental secret societies have any direct COM
lnunleation or relations with the Irish malcOn-
tentsp
81 did not think it till lately" quietly replied
Inc CARDINAL but am inclined to do 80 now.
IL would not be the first time disaffected Ireland
has been assisted by the French"
Pardon me-" repeated your correspondent,
''if lay stress upon this point, but am OF put
ting your Eminence idle question. 1 have
been told by French projects OF police that there
was no such utilization as yOu hint at between
the Irish and tine continental secret societies.
May ask what particular continental organi-
zation your Eminenenee had in his mindl"
THAT can hardly tell you" said the Car
dinal. you will see what mean if you refer
TO General Cluseret's paper in the Contemporary
Review, published at some time between 1868
and 1873 | caGROU charge my memory with
the exact details. 1 do not affirm, either, that
the present movement has anything to do with
the continental societies. Please make note of
that"
81 should much like to know" continued Your
correspondent, whether your Eminence is in
favor of homo rule for Ireland2"
well, that is vast subject" said the Cardi-
nal. 81 think very large measure Of admins
trative liberty ought to be given to Ireland. /
should like to see her as free to administer her
own affairs as our own great cties-as Man
most wonderful things, quite independently,
and so might Ireland If you ask me- however
whether am in favor of a separation between
Ireland and En- gland, or OF a dual system of gov
eminent such as we see In tro-Hungary, 1
reply am not. 1t appears to me that the
union OF England, iceland and Scotland is
essential to the complete prosperity of EACH
while to Ireland it is a vital necessity. Eng
land might possibly stand and thrive, even
after separation from Ireland but Ireland
could not thrive If she severed from Eng
land. The analogy between the cases of Austria
and England is very imperfect. England has a
population of nearly thirty millions to set
against the five millions in ireland. But no less
than sixteen millions of Hungarians are in
cluded in the total SO, 600, o 90 peopng the state
of Austro-Hungary."
c Has there been any falling away from the
Catholic Church in Ireland within the last few
years. continued yonr correspondent.
None, Think" replied his Eminence, rising
TO go to another visitor. throughout the yari-
Gus phases OF the agitation the people have
faithfully performed their duties to the
church. Priest and people are still united in
Ireland"
day or two after had had this interview
with Cardinal Manning met him again, and dis
cussed the question of emigration with him.
His Eminence's views this burning subject
will doubtless he interesting to Americans.
81 regard emigration" said the Cardinal, ''as
a kind OF providential necessity to which pros
pegous nations like England must submit. AL
though am not prepared TO say that the popu-
lation OF this country is TOO large for require
ments of industry and agriculture, in princinle
am decidedly of opinion that the government
does wisely in assisting emigration, whenever
OF course, 1t 10 resorted to as a means of colo
ntzatlon. This remark applies to England
When we come to Ireland the question is no
longer the same. There, too, it may in certain
Eases. be advisable TO assist emigration. Some
persons, such as Mr.. luke, have advocated Irish
emigration lately, with the best of motives
Others, however, have fear, cOunseled it with
motives widely different. Against emigration
as a means of clearance I have ever set, and
shall ever set, my face The shipping of pau
pers to America if 1t can be proved they were
paupers, the newspapers say they werel
could not in any way be justified. Ii would be
what call means of clearance in its worst
form, and l think the American govern
ment did quite right in sending back our pau
peIs."
The Pittauce Allowed Paupers.