New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1883-05-09
MR.. GLADSTONE on AFFIRMATION.


| cheers.l You are perfectly aware OF it. We
are not sS aware it, But tomd Gy SS s re
be given to uswe giving You the same under ciicum:
rather more dlficut-fOr prcSumptye integrity
an purify motive Cheers. Sir. Liberal party
has suffered and is suffering on TINS account IL 10 not
for the rs time in its History. II tie old story
again. In every controversy that has arisen about tbs
extension OF gious liberation and about the aDate
| ment and removal Of disqualincltons "a laughl-I
| must claim the Indulgence OF tie House lcheersl-On
every qucsToI relating 10 religious liberation and to
religious disabilities tne Liberal party has suffered
before. and Ia suffering again, and yet 1t has not
been the party which upon the whole has hal during
the last hdliccnuy the snncat or the fee0lrst hOd
! upon the affections and tie approval Of he people
| Ministerial chcer7 VINO suffered for the Protest
auisln OF the country II that party with valu
| able aid from individuals but only from individuals,
who forfeited their popularity On that account-it was
case great Rom-n tath lie controversy, when tue
name OF froe W." hHoN.t WIN qil'e Is sIeat
an effect ana When inc petitions poured III quite as
freely, the name OF Ihesm IS now. Pro'estdnt'sn
battle OF Chri,tIauinty aud the Christianity OF the
country ,acrlceIby tie Liberal party; aud there
ally FORGOTTEN al tan, loud choct- and who rather
plume themselves on the admission OF jews 70 Parua-
mcut us II Ae, had not roslsted itwiih perfect hon
| Csfy make no charge against tAer honor, and ia.
pat. unworthy motives II they mad not resisted
IL with quite much resolution as they ato exhibiting
p su' tibe n9rtT viii NOT he deferred nv fear or
tnut tIo - par! W." ' W ~ ~. sya Sici,
IT believes to be The pah OF equity and justice Cheers
There greater honor tnan suffer Tor tue
sake what ne think, 20 DC rsheUus and there Is no
greater honor to parry t.@n 70 sdlef Ia tne Gu,
TIE TRUE AND WISE COURSE.
| am convinced that upon every religious as we'll aB
political grOun tue true sd wise course is not To dea
out the RELIGIOUS liberty b. halves quarters, and by
fractions bat deal Il out entire and 10 leave no dis
tlucton bet wccn ana Oh TIE ground Of religious
differences from end Of the / nj 10 the other.
iChcersl But rr 90 httlc further IN endravorng To-
pcctpcc yoScd such feIyid cheers from the hon
ora lie gentlemen oppost' Nhat IS ITS real me mug
Is our rclsious distinction real r'sous Distinction Al
am what distintton de- you make where 90 you
draw Your inei You draw Your ht at me point Hhtre
abs Genial Of Ire DcJ u severed Iiol aOs bcs
adus!on OF tie Deity Ny proposition that your line
which il lust A. Objectionable in tho og'ca
the atheism Ley"nG your Inc II You cal upon us to
Hear htarI | 90 LOt say let them he CHRISTIAN out
tuat you should frame !Our oatn Ia sIc. way Aat s
terms sLoa.G r,qu.rc NOT mcey the ckho"'Hds!nru o.
the cAi,teucc Dci bus the idea o. responsibility to
The Deity. Is 'Bat !"Gt .c- 90 Ir,ct ~ ar Oh Know
schools that nave gdueI IN the abstract justas largely
TIE Cnri>,iins the existence q. pci,y IAe hc'ty
exists but practical r,i!,'o1S between Hun ana man
there can be none.
TIE REAL CHARACTER OF TIE OATH.
Sfy reason, supporting This bill may be summed up
IN very words, II were asked 10 PIT cousiruc-
ton ON this oath stands. probably should give 10
n higher meaning than most gentlemen opposite. II Is
INV opinion 50 ~ may presume to oer 1t. that the
oath bias In tia very large favor OF Christianity. am
well uNnre that the doctrine of my honorable aud
learned TREND the Attorney -Gruo raj l., as believe u
trrr forms OF positive attc-tattou. according other
s,,rmS o religion uCut bic the oath to hr takru ~
H., REMOVAL of the words So help me God" nud the
sub,titulion oi some otr word nIbOlcai whcu
s,l % 10 iutrlutr tbs Pro. cvIg of taking an OATH
by introducing the idea 81 DEITY ana responsibility 10
Deny but tue real character Ot the oath. according To
Lr Intention of the Legislature ~ that 90 does not con
sst o spoken words alone bat o. words accompanied ny
"A corporal nct-tiat .. ki,sius the Now testament
What Is ths meaning OF that kissing the Sew Tesla
n.cnt 1t implies the acceptance OF the Divine ieye-
htion contained IN Nat hooA. Ih5i9 hiyc p'Sh ON
forms IN other countries IN scotland believe the FORM
st exists o holding up the hahd instead "i AlSSins to
Sew Testament, when Is oil was also tue lo'n IA
France In spain. believe, the form was that OF kiss
ing the cross. italy, think al one Time Tie form
wa, that . lay II the hands on the Gospels
NO MORE THAN A 1nFIs1IC TEST NOW.
All this It seems according to the original nten-
,or. ia recognition OF Christianity You do not OF
Yourselves venture say that the law either Is or can D1
applied III that law of this kind Is Ike cola
that comes forth spick and span new nom the Nih''
carving with IL all It's ricno resDess and sharpness
"a ~ lies but ali this wears down In passing from
hand 10 hand AMI though there Is "a residue yet tue
disttnctyc features have disappeared. Whatever my
,,ion may be ON the original vitality OF this oath.
there is Think very ttt dllci'hct O oPlHioh DIS 10
What il now Is It has become, MS the honorable mem
her for Portsmouth says, Iheisc test and Il is taken
a. no more ,tic test, ana especially H. AS
think does, 1t involves reference TO ChrslianV tnat
lie ccnscrnces OF some gentlemen Ia TINS ana the other
House Of Parliament undoubtedly do not recognize II
Is good tG any OF us tha we Sholu ipicr t"a cst
so naVDred or even not so Favored Oh men VINO cannot
take with full anu cordial acceptance Hear hear
iii bnd TO do II, IL Is demOrLng IL Is all very
well TO say II is on their own responsibility Dut tnst
1, not in my vlew satisfactory answer seat Ia TINS
House is TO the ordinary Engllsnh III carry me- OK pr
hans I'm middle mature age, when he has reached MS
|
nmhitlon but IL place between hlin ana that prize
the necessity not only or conforming 10 certain clN
cnnditions but also the adoption OF certain regt US
worls~f these words not justly measured with tho
condton OF his conscience andhls conviction you give
him an nducement-nay do NOT 20 too lar when say
fhht Won offer Ihim brbeto amper with those cnhNlo-
lions and to do his conscience In order thI
ho may not sgmatiLcd by being smut out from the
uobcst privilege, Of representing his fellow
| Hear, hear.
THE MORAL EFFECT OF THIS TEST.
Therefore further, that besides vudlcating the
prncipe of civil and religious liberty Ia most inpor-
tant for the House itself consider the moral effect OF
this test which It allows to be applied 1t is not sas
factory process when press the mind OF an ndy
nal that which intellect and his heart and his re
ions belief fully abhOT IN order that he may satisfy lhe
necessary form which Is required OF him before ne can
rake his seat this House. must own that, Whatever
| other gentlemen may THINK am strongly OF opinion
tha this particular Bradlaugh controversy should come
Ia "a close Loud Ministerial cheers have no fear OF
atheism In this House. Truth Is the expression OF INC
Divine mind and however little In our feeble vision NO
uay DO able discern the means God will proVlde ior
preservation, may leave that matter In HIS nshus
hear hearl; and may be quite sure that the urn
and courageous application OF every principle OF Justice
| tenanee Hear, hear l must painfully record my
epnion that greatsmsohie has been done religion In
many mlndsSOf course do not mean In well Instructed
minds but It Is the il-instructed and partially IN
strcted whom In these times ought 70 have es-
| peclal care. IIronca Opposition cheers Great mis-
chief has, say been done to religion In mnay minus ~