National Republican., 1883-02-27
A Severe Discrimination Brings Out Inter-
csting Details,
The Alleged Relations Which Bosler
Bore to Dorsey
The Original Books and the Copies--RerdclIs Own
Part in the Business.
The Interviews and Promises Between
RCTdCll and Dorsey.

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office, in the Corcoran building, that no such
bool, existed as had been described by MIR
James.
Mr. Mcrrick objected to the question, say
ing that II revived the subject of the relations
of counsel and client.
The court said the inquiry might he inter
icCtcd. The witness said he regarded Mr..
Carpenter rs being his attorney, and that he
had assisted him in various ways, among
Others in the preparation of his argument.
Mr.. IngcrsOll denied that Mr.. Carpenter had
been Rcrdcll's attorney at any time, certainly
hc was not at the date referred to; there was
no case in progress, il was only referred TO in
the newspapers. Rcrdcll had not even been
mentioned rs Il defendant in the trial to fol-
low. The court replied that the witness had
q statement to Mr.. MaCNcIgh in ISL.
Mr.. lngcrsull rcjoincd that 1t had n state
mcnt of exactly the character they were now
trying to prove had been made to Carpenter.
OF course If the court held that there then cN-
listed relations of counsel and client between
Carpenter and Rordcll they would have to
submit.
Mr.. Mcrrick declared that counsel had been
retained at the time referred to- and pro-
CCcdiugs before the grand jury Immediately
followed. The defendants were then united
in their fatcs in their prospective indCt-
ments as they had been united in their crimes.
lie had no books, nor facts, nor statements to
keep back, he wished for light, but even that
wish would not allow him To calmly witness
the breaking down of the sacred relations be-
tween an attorney and his client.
Mr.. Carpenter desired to make u statement
of the facts, but the court declined to allow IL
Mr.. Carpenter replied that If the court denied
him the right 10 explain after he had been
assailcd, of course he must submit.
Mr.. MerrCl; denied that he had assailcd the
gentleman. lie had even said that Mr.. mger-
soils question had been authorized. Mr..
Carpenter regarded Mr. lngcrsoll's last qucs-
tiOu rs proper, as the others had been. The
witness stated that Mr.. Carpenter came to
him with q letter introducing him as s. w.
DOrscy's attorney; but he supposed hc was
also his own counsel.
The court said that the witness had no
right to regard Carpenter as his counsel at
that time, and directed the witness to answer.
The witness then said that he was satisfied
that he did not tell Mr.. Carpenter that he had
made his affidavit THAT Of June, 1851 volun.
tarily Did not remember telling him that
Dorsey had used him badly, thereby making
u mistake, for it would tend to break down
the affidavit; may have told him that he had
written the memorandum shown to McNcagh
and that he could closely initiate Dorscy's
handwriting; may have told him that there
were 10 books such as described by James +;
may have told French in 1ss1 at DOrscy's
house that he had conceived the
plan Of acting as detective toward
James and McNcagh: may also have
told him that he was trying to get the
government to offer him money considera-
tiOn to 20 upon the stand he to furnish them
with documentary evidence written by him
self but purpOrting to be in DOrsCys hand
writing, and that he would then expose them
Ii was more than probable that he had told
French that he could initiate DOrsey's writing
SO closely that Dorsey himself could not detect
it. Very likely he told French that after he
got the note from MacNeagh he got so excited
over the success of his plar that lie told Dor
sey for the first time what l. had been doing
and that Dorsey told him to stop at once: also
told him that when BOscr had conferred with
Dorsey they had agreed to allow hlm to con-
tinuc his plot Had no doubt that he told
French that there were no books, and that he
had exhibited to James shirt wrapped up in
paper.
Had seen Bosler in Dorsey's office in June,
1881. May have told him that the affidavit
had been voluntary, and that he had been
trying to entrap MacVeagh into making some
kind of an offer to him.
Mr.. lngeTsOll asked if he had not told Bos-
Ter of his interview with MacVeagh and of
his description of the "Smith and Jones 4"
entries, aud if Bosler had not grasped him by
both hands and exclaimed "Mr. Rerdell, you
are patriot" Laughter.
The witness answered that he may nave
told him of the entries, but he did not remem-
Dcr tne patriot matter.
Was not prepared TO say that he had MIN
licked MacNcagh's antics as illustrating his
exultation over his revelations.
Did not remember fishing bits of paper out
of the waste basket laying them in order be-
fore BOsler, and pointing out the close resem-
blance between his writing thereon (repeti-
tions of the entries of " Smith aud Jones ~
and DOrscy's handwriting.
Was not prepared to say positively that he
did not do this, but did not remember such an
occurrence.
May be he had been the first one to tell Mr..
Wilson. of counsel for the defense, in June,
lSsl, that he had made the affidavit if he had
told him that he also told him that Dorsey
kept no books except an expense book.
When witness returned from New York he
placed the book he had brought with him in
an old Yaise in his wOOdshed Left il there
when he went to Nebraska. When away he
wrote to Mrs Il. &. Cushing, then occupying
his house, directing her to take care of the book
until he returned. On July 10, 1889, he gave
the book to Dorsey in Boslers presence. Did
not know what he did with ii.
Speaking Of the copies of the original
books, witness said he was inclined to be-
licve that he carried them over to New York
in the summer of 1850, when the last settle
mont was made between Dorsey and Bosler
The witness became confused on this point,
and when Mr.. lngersoll began to laugh he re-
sentfully exclaimed: 6 You need not laugh at
me; ] am telling the truth"
If he had told Dorsey anything about the
book he brought from New York ut Mac
Nc0gh's request, II was that he did not get 1t.
His object was obvious; he was concealing
the book.
Mr., lngersoll. In that affidavit of June,
lssl, Dorsey put down that statement that
there was no such book, knowing it to be n
lie?
A COMPATIBILITY. He did, most assurodly.
O. And you swore 10 it, knowing the same
thing
A. did.
Witness had carried the balance sheets to
James aud MacNcagh, but was not positive
that he had shown them 10 the latter person.
Mr. lngcrsol desired to cross examine the
witness relative 10 the memorandum of the
mining shares given TO postal officials, but
the court decided that the paper must be pro.
duced ifthey wished 10 contradict the witness.
The witness said that there were two letters
shown 10 him by Dorsey at the interview in
Willard's hotel; could not sec the address
upon the envelopes, but could distinguish his
handwriting in the letters had not SON them
since that time.
Mr. lngeIsoll, "Did you not tell B. +. Gil
bert, last July on q street car, that MacVeagh
had offered you 100000 for DOrsey's books,
and that You had been trying to entrap him,
a, don't remember that, but don't deny
saying II. | said many things in my attempt
10 Justify that affidavit. Had told o. s. b.
wall, an attorney, that Dorsey had put him
IN hole, but did not tell him that he was go.
ing to get even with him. Had taken two Of
Doney,s letter books from Mr.. Ingersolls s