The Indianapolis journal. [volume] (Indianapolis [Ind.]) 1867-1904, 1883-02-28
THE HOUSE.

vote on the adoption of the Reed resolution,
which gives the majority the power to nOn-con-
cur in the Senate amendments to the revenue
| bill and send it to committee of conference by
one motion. The resolution was agreed to, yeas
l22, nays %.
The Democrats generally refrained from vot.
ing. The following is the negative vote: Ather-
ton, Bayne, Burrows, of Missouri; Campbell,
| Converse, Ermentrout, Ford, Geddes, Harden.
| burgh, Hazeltine, Hutchns, Jones, of Texas;
| Ladd Phelps, Rice, of Missouri; Richie, Single
son and Wise, of Pennsylvania.
MIR. Hammond Immediately rose to a question
| of privilege and offered resolution declaring
the action of the Senate in substituting for the
| House bill to reduce internal revenue taxation a
proposition imposing both import duties and in
ternal taxation, is in conflict with the true intent
| and purpose of the clanse of the constitution
which requires that all bills for raising revenue
| shall originate in the House of Representatives.
and declaring, further, that the bill with the
| Senate amendments shall lie upon the table. Ii
also directs the clerk of the House to notify the
| Senate Of the adoption of the foregoing resolu
| ton.
Mr.. Calkins raised the point of order that the
resolution was premature, as the bill was not
before the House.
The Speaker said he did not take the view that
| the House did not know what the bill contained.
The bill has been returned to the House by Of
| fetal direction of the Senate It had gone to
the Speakers table, and the House had taken
notice of it, 1t had been printed and was before
the House. The chair oserruled the point of
| order.
Mr. Haskell, speaking of the point OF order,
began his remarks by the statement that the
House tariff hill was dead, killed by delay and
obstruction
Mr.. Hammond discussed the constitutional
questions raised, and then said that after consul
tation, some of the Democrats had agreed that
the Republican side would not have the bardi-
hood or etfrontery to disregard the principles o1
the constitution.
Mr.. Blaokburn-Does the gentleman say this
resolution is the result of a conference on this
side2
my duty to raise the question, and they said wait
and sec whether the other side will do that or
not That n all mean. Mr.. Hammond then
quoted from debates in former Congresses
against infringement upon the right of the
House to originate revenue bills. He argued
that the Senate was obliged to limit its tariff
legislation to specific subjects submitted by the
House, and had right to tack tariff legislation
on the internal tax bill.
Mr.. KassOn offered q substitute for Mr..
HanmOnd's resolution the following:
"Resolved, That this House, iusisting always
on Its privilege under the constitution to origin
ate all bills for raising revenue, and waving no
right hereunder in respect to the House bill
5.53S with the Senate amendments, hereby de-
clares its disagreement with the Senate amend
ments to the same, and asks for a committee OF
conference thereon, to be composed of five mem
beers on the part of tho House,"
Mr.. Carlisle raised point of order against the
substitute, as the bill was not before the House,
and gave notice that If it were ruled in order
he would offer an amendment to agree to the
The Speaker said the resolution of the gentle
man from Georgia presented a question of high
constitutional privilege, and nothing could he
done by way of amendment other than such as
grew of that constitutional question or incl
dental to it, He, therefore, sustained the point
of order.
Mr. KassOn then argued against Mr.. Ham
mond's resolution, cOntending that when the
matter whether 1t related to taxation
internal external, or both, the power
attached to the Senate to amend that
bill in respects germane to the constitutional
subject matter. The constitutional subject matter
the reyenue-not revenue derived from
schedu lie A or schedule B. or from Cincinnati or
New York, but revenue coming from the people
That made it a revenue bill, the Senate might
add on two or twenty amendments to it.
Mr.. Belford inquired whether, If a bill reduced
the tax tobacco. The Senate will add on an
amendment entirely revising the tariff.
Mr.. KassOn replied that the question was
whether the House had sent the Senate
revenue bill. If so, the Senate could amend it,
How far, was not a constitutional question, 1t
was question for the Senate first and the
House afterward
Mr.. Haskell offered as substitute resolution
recItIng the constitutional question substantially
as raised by Mr. Hammond, aud declaring, II the
bill shall be referred to committee of confer
ence, the constitutional question shall also be CON
fided to the committee, which shall submit its
finding to the House.
Mr.. Carlisle raised point of order against the
substitute.
Mr. Haskell began his remarks by the state
memt that the House tariff bill was dead-killed
ly DELAY and obstruction.
The Speaker-The Chair desires to hear an ar
gument on the point OF order.
Mr.. Haskell said there was another bill on the
Speakers table, and on that bill hung the hope
and faith of the people that before Congress ad-
journed they should have tariff legislation, When
Mr.. Haskell closed his remarks he stated that he
would yield his time to the gentleman from Ohio
(Mc. Mckinley But the Speaker held that uuon
IA discussion of point of order time could not
be so yielded, and recognized Mr.. Hammond
Mr. Mckinley, however, made inquiry of Mr..
Haskell, who rose to reply, but was called TO.
order by the Speaker. He endeavored 10 hold
the aoOr long enough to answer the question,
but the repeated rapping of the Speakers gavei
ana cries of "Orierl" from the Democratic side
drowned his words. In an indignant manner
Mr. Haskell rose to question of personal privi-
lego
''Oh, that is desperate" exclaimed Mr.. Black
burn, sarcastlcaily.
The speaker-The gentleman will state his
Mr.. Haskell-My question of personal priv
ilege is am denied my rights on this floor I'M
der the parliamentary laws of the House.
The Speaker-rhe char will state, in the
first place, that the gentleman is sadly in error
because he had the floor 20 debate point of or
der, subject at any time to limitation by the
Speaker The Speaker recognized another and
the gentleman from Kansas is not entitled TO oc-
cupy an hour in debating point of order. For
that reason the gentleman's right to debate is
not infringed. Applause on the Democratic
side.l
Mr.. HASKELL arise to question of priv
ilege. LCres Of orderl The gentlemenson the
other side will not take me off the floor by
scowls. Let that be understood.
"The Speaker cannot take him off the floor"
suggested Mr.. Blackburn.
Mr.. HaskelPs inquiry was whether he had not
a right to ask I'm luminous consent to reply to
AIR. Mckinley There was objection.
The Speaker-The chair simply asserts its own
right in respect 20 the conduct of this debate,
and the gentleman from Georgia is recognized.
Applause on the Democratic sidel.
The discussion of the pOi9t OF order ran on for
some time, and IN sustaining the potut, Mr..
Blackburn said the substitute was an abroga-
ton of power after the fashion of the electoral
commission or tariff commission. 1t was "a di-
rect, fiat and papaole violation of the rules of
the House, doctored as they had been doctored.
The Speaker said he was satisfied this suhsti-
stute would not be in order If 1t undertook to dc
anything more than TO provide for disagreement
with the 5enate on the subject of the constitu-
tlOnal right of the two houses, but this was not
done, and the chair overruled the point of order
Mr.. Knott opposed Mr.. Hammond's resolution.
Mr.. Hammond said the country would under.
stand that the majority was running over rules;
that it was surrendering the privileges of the
people; that 1t was marching through the CON
stitution In order to take care OF the monopo.