The Wheeling daily intelligencer. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1865-1903, 1882-04-07

sHS H'SSHphhs VI tue SOmmlttee LO'uhy
and was Immediately put upon the stand
The entire morning was devoted to cross
examination upon his statement Of yester
. day, and contained nothing of any gea
Importance, He continued his attack upol
Mr.. Hurlbut in desultory way, and reIa
ted his experience with Mr.. Blaine. Til,
inquiry will be resumed tomorrow.
-is'ociattd PSsss Di,pa.ch-The Shiphert
examination was resumed this morning
The witness, after explaining that the
Peruvian Company held the clainil through
the natural son Of Cochet, suited that the
correspondence with Hurlbpt was begun
by n letter written by him (Shipherdl Oh
May 2Sth. Witness was questioned in re.
gard to his interview with Hurlbut on
May SOth as detailed by him (shipherd)
at former hearing, and said think can
give Hurlbut's exact language. In speak
ing Of our claim he slapped his hands up.
OF his knees with some emphasis and said,
"Mr. shipherd, need not come all the
the way down here from Washington 10
assure you how infinitely our government
would prefer TO settle Nil this matter
through the opportunity your company
offers"
The witness was closely pressed with
questions with view to extracting some.
thing definite relative 10 the encourage
ment, it any, he had received from the
Executive. lie stated that Hurlbut didn't
speak of the President or Secretary Of
State, but in an ambassadorial way used
the expression the Government, which led
him (Shipherd) to believe that he lHurlbut)
spoke by authority. The only evidence
witness had that the President ever saw
any, papers or knew anything about the
business OF the Peruvian company was u
letter he (Shipherd) received from J. Stan.
ley Brown, the Presidents secretary, stat
ing that "your letter has been received and
referred to the State Department"
The witness admitted that he would not
have approached Alr. Hurlbut had he be.
lieyed him to have been man OF probitv
and above taking bribe, and yet insisted
that he lShipherd) was not guilty OF wrong
intentions in making the offer, and Mr..
Durlbnt never acknowledged The receipt
OF the letter in which the olTer OF stock was
made to him, and never again called to
see Shipherd. Hurlbut was on his way to
his home in Illinois when he had the in
tcrview in New York, and told the witness
he would call upon him again upon his re-
turn, but he did not. 81 suppose Hurlbut
did not call upon me becausehe was in the
pay OF the Credit Industrial, and was paid
not to call. That was my supposition. We
never got him to do anything Tor us, and
for the reason have given. So for rs his
being completely influenced in our favor
it would be just as well to dropthe subject
here. lie never was interested in our favor
to my knowledge.
Mr. Rice-Then We will pass to Mr.
Blaine. Your correspondence or nego.ia-
tons with him were opened by yourself,
were they not?
My first interview with Mr.. Blaine was
suggested by Mr. Blaine, and took place
July 2Sth.
Mr. Rice-Your interview with HurIbut,
in which he told you that the Government
thought Your claim perfectly good one
and led you TO expect the MD OF the Coy
ernment, took place May 30tll, and your
interview with the Secretary occurred near
lY two months afterward. Was there no
correspondence between yourself uud the
Executive in the meantime?
Answcr--No, sir.
Mr. Rice-Ehen, so fur rs the Govern
ment was concerned, thisimportant matter
had slumbered all this timer
Hesitatingly $50 far as the
government was concerned, yes sir.
Mr.. Rlce-ln that interview with the
Secretary was there any suggestion made
that he or his friends should become in
terested pecuniariiy in your company or
their claim.
Answer--No sir, for the reason that it
never occurred to me 10 approach Blaine
or any other official with the exception OF
Hurlbnt, and then only 10 stop him from
working against US.
MIR. Rtce-Did you not know II you made
such proposition to the Secretary that
you would ut once be shown TO the door.
Mr.. Shipherd-[ Turning very red in the
lace, II see no reason why any member OF
this committee should put such question
to me. Think the implication conveyed
has gone too far.
Rice-Never mind, the committee are
judgesof that lt,you expected to derive any
benefit from securing Hurlbut's aid or non
interference, did you not know that
Blaine was his superior and could be OF
far greater assistance TO you2
Answer-ltn never occurred to me make
any proposition 10 Blaine. | did state to
him that had written to Hurlbnt at the
opening OF our interview. recapitulated
everything had done in my negotiations
with any officer OF the State Department,
No exceptions were taken by the Secretary.
lie simply nodded his head aiiirnatiyeIy
and told me to go on.
Mr.. Rice-Hou say you approached
Hurlbut because you believed him pur.
chase1ble, that you wouldn't have mp
proached any man you thought to be OF
Pfobity and above being bribed, and yet
you did not hesitate to mention to SeCre.
tdry Blaine and Senator Blair that YOU had
made such proposition to Hurlbut
Shipherd (evasivety JAS | said before
recapitulated at that meeting what had
occurred. Some remark was made iok-
ipgly to the effect that that wouldn't
catch him.
Mr.. Rice-Did you state to Blaine what
Hurlbut had said to you in New York,
two mouths. previous that the Govern.
ment was perfectly satisfied OF the validity
OF your claim.
Answer-No, sir; did not.
Mr., Rice-And yet YOU say Mr.. Blaine
raised several objections TO the legality OF
your claim, doubted the validity OF the
transfer, and remarked "You Americans
have purchased the claim OF the French,
man and now come here to ask the United
States to enforce it." Did it not occur to
you TINT there was considerable discre.
pancy between the position Of the Secre.
tary and what Mr.. HurIbut had said to you2
Did it not occur to you to ask him why
Mr.. Hurlbut had made such statement? :?
Answer-My mind rarely works in that
way. was prepared to meet the question
atifrmatively on the merits OF the claim.
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