National Republican., 1882-04-10
ApRoTEoroRhrE FoR PERU.


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The examination Of Jacob r. shiphcrd before
the House Committee ON Foreign Afhirs was re-
sumed Saturday. Mr.. shipherd first proposed to
put In evidence q copy Of an Aurora Qll) news
paper OF November ., 1867, containing reprint of
documents alleged TO be on file In the War De-
rartmeni, charging General Burlbut with bribery
corruption, perjury and falsiication of the rec
ords while In the army. The result of the discus
sion that the question was tabled for the pres
cnt. The leading features Of the examination
Saturday were the conversations rccited by
shiphord as had by him with Secretary
Blaine, and tho letter written by Shipherd
Deccmber10 1881, to OK Governor Boutwell,, which
wns substantially a repetition Of testimony al
ready given by him. The impression sought to be
created by shipherd in his evidence was that Mr..
Blaine had taken the general tenor Of his policy
after General Hurbut sailed for Peru in July, 1884,
from shipherd and HIS friends, and that he was
preparing TO organize under their suggestion an
American protcCtornte for Peru In spirit Of hos
tility to Chill. when IL became apparent about the
mid die Of November that he would not be able to
retain his position as Secretary Of State under
President Arthur.
Az AMERICAN PRorEcroRATE.
Referring TO a private talk with Mr.. Cilley, Mr..
Shipherd said; :" now remember topic that was
discussed on the evening Of November 3, That
was in reference to protectorntc to be established
by the United States Government. Mr.. Cilley said
with emphasis that at least 90 per cent. ofall
Peruvlans would be heartily in favor of II. secro-
tary Blaine, who wns present, surprised me by the
apparent eagernCss with which he listened TO this
suggestion. The moment there was a pause he
said: Can You not get Calderon to send mp dep.
uiationp WY, yes, Mr.. Secretary VIC can try
Now said he, 'if he would send up
one or two)-thrce Of his very best men to come
here with a formal application fiom him, properly
backed by the representatives Of PeTu; to show
that II is not merely tho application Of Mr. Calder
on individually This commission would remain
here, where members Of Congress could have free
access to them. They wonld come prepared to
worth while replied Mr. Secretary, do you
think that Congress would f'vor protectorate2'
| Well said he, / tell you the experiment is
worth trying. You see fyou cannot get Calderon
| to send up depulation.n
Mr.; Rice-ln all your interviews with him did
| you derive the impression that he acknowledged
or recognized that the validity Of tho Cochet claim
had been satisfactorily proved?
The Witness-There was only one impression
made on my mind by Secretary Blaine from the
| first interview had with him up to the time re-
| ceived the letter from him Of December 3. That
the claim was sufficiently proved and was a legiti-
mate and proper claim.
BLAIR vouCHEs FOR BLAINE,
Mr. Rice-Whpre is there nything in all your
| testimony OF what Mr.. Blaine said or wrote that
Justified you IN snpposing that he recognized that
| liciently maintained by you?
The Witness--In the first place, understood
that to be overwhelmingly implied in the relations
mitting him as my recognized counsel In con-
ferring with him as he seemed to do, in exhibit
| ing TO him drafts of his dispatches, in promising
him that everything that went into or out Of or
| through the State Department which affected our
interests should be made known tous; generally IN
all his intercourse with Senator Blair and myself.
| Senator Blair said to me, perhaps week or two
before the retainer was settled Now, Shipherd,
let me tell you something; don't you hesitate TO
quote the Secretary, and don't you hesitate to
quote him strongly; quote him great deal
stronger than he has ever talked to you, and you
tlons, but II you have confidence in my advice
take that advice" He repeated to me from time to
time, throughout the summer and fall, as long as
he acted as counsel: "shipherd you can Just bet
| on the Secretary of State. The policy down there
Is exactly what we want. 1t is everything that
we can desire. Do not expect the Secretary to to
| commit himself in writing or talk to you: He
| talks to me, takes my advice and you just build
on it that the Secretary Of State is with us"
Mr.. Rice-rhen he did not commit himself to
you personally?
The Witnes;-He made the statement to me in
| the last interview that had nothing to do but
sit still and sec the Gillian Minister drop into my
| lap
THE cocIIET CLAIM.
| Mr.. Rice examined the witness further In re-
| to mixed Peruvian and French commission, and
being, therefore, res ddiudicdtd, and In that con-
neGtion he showed him paragraph in the papers
| of the day before
The witness said that. whatever claim might
have been submitted to such a tribunal, the point
of the Peruvian Company was that its claim had
never been submitted TO any tribunal and there
| fore had never been adiudicated
| Q. Have you any facts TO prove that Secrc
tary Blaine was interested with Mr.. Hurlbut in
behalf of the Credit Industriel?-A Oh, no, sir.
| Q. He was not interested in behalf of your
company any further than you have stated?-A.
| No, sir
@. And you have not any facts or impressions
| going further than you have already siated2 A,
| Yes, have u good many more; but. would
| ask to be relieved from further examination at
this point, / would like an opportunity to state
| on Monday what was said at the conference on
October IA In relation to the bribery letter. Inn
! Inedately after that would like TO answer very
fully the general question in regard to Secretary
Biane's attitude toward this company, and in re-
gard to General Hurlbuts attitude toward this
| company.
The committee adjourned till Monday morning.