New-York tribune., 1882-04-09

Mr. Rice-Did you aferward write TO MT HuriDut tnht
you had seen the dispatches and that they were salts
The witness-Yes; that appears in my letter:
Mr.. Rice--Jhe dispatches satisfactory 20 you
The wtncss-Yes with tnis exception: The Secretary
having been called away thus abruptly was not shown
the cable Dispatch and indeed there opportunity
for me to ask about It, lie left almost In an instant
had intended to ask for it had S.aeScSted e1pectedd
that did IT. But at that time not douhting or
moment that had been written and sent s mao 'ss
Secretary 10 distinctly that the two dispatches wch
sen nc lesa e aerSu a %ss to that in
formation OF the Secretary that wrote to Genera hu
but that had been shown all the dispatches ,
Mr.. Rice-Who were present when you had this inter
The witnes.Nc one. except possibly dierk writing
at the other end Of the room.
Mr. Rice-was Senator Blair presents
Mr.. RicoYcu reported It to him.
The witness-Yes cir.
no breach of faith on the part of the Secretary
The witncss-I was perfectly satisfied and under
sitvcncss In the regard 70 the nervew
and before that in regard TO the vericaton & 1i sne
statement which lie had made TO LIE, say iDS LUIS 10
my matter"
Mr.. sHIPHERD's COUNSEL.
Q,You spoke OF Senator Blair as having attended You
counsel in the first interview which you hai with r
Blaine at his house. did you mott Al may nave dohe
so.
o-That was the fjrst time that you Mt Blaine
A.-Yes, SIR
o-You ha, had no letters from Mr.. Blaine then
-ithnk had bad none from him ,,,.,- -.u -o-r
O-And vet ut that time Senator bar was yonr
conscl Al say this with precision as TO senator
Mr. Rice dnterrupting)-I notice that in this letter
which You wrote to Governor Boutwell, you say that ina,
prior TO your first interview with him
The witness-No, think not.
Mr. Rice--And yet Senator Blair was your cOunselt
The witncssI will state precisely me fact uesI"ne n
part wha! have ALREADY testified to- him In ny o Nrs wss
open 70 retainer counsel in the matter Suggesting
fee he replied that under no = tSsf
could accept retainer and he gave as reason INA.
possibly the matter might In some 1Oil come , peoio
Con ercss and that he must not by any inadvertehce
even become interested personally IN 1aeS'V % 'Ta' AZ
might come before him for his ohcial action We uiH
cnssed that matter somewhat he doing the most OF thc
falling Then he said energeticay But II Wnlnot
make PARTICLE of difference III my readiness 10 hepyou
neyaton of south America, II II succeeds its great
scheme" And ne went into statement wmcn mp leu I,
,hat he took a very deep interest in the matter lie
sad: shall consider it my duy as senator In me
Interest the whole country TO forward an ehlerso
ounrv The same view OF it will be taken by the ExecI-
tive Yon Will need no political influence; y"n mo, WIZ
have the facts laid before the Executive IN oru1r s
rL lie talked in that vein He then said something
which led Inc understand that might rely on MS CO.
OpfSn Ta Is @S 5c Sons attorney t in the matter
having an acquan;anee wIth me EAec1tve M nisnt @
The , date Of our fret conversation somewhere
about the 2lst of July in my office at New-fork lie
was Introduced to me by Ex-senator Cragin AT the IN
NJ In
me with reference the possibility of this case being
absolutely disposed of III the State Department. think
he asked me what thought the chances were. re-
nlied. II is impossible for me 20 judge, and sug
gested that If any question OF that KIND were rlsng IN
his mind he might wen consult the seeretafy OF STATE
subsequently he said that he had consulted the secrc
tary OF state that point and that the Secretary OF
csse w"md he entirely disposed the state Depart
uen and would never como btOfe Congrcssi ana tnal
n tHf in Senator Blair acrepng retainer as
counsel and that he advised him de1Uiely aud afirna-
fer that he had consulted other friends of mis- and
think he mentioned other Senators whom be mad con
suited showing disposition on hS part u seek ADVICE,
Q."Did ne name them Al think he named one
terward told that Senator Blair bad consulted him
on that point, and that be had advised him to accept
O-Were any members OF Congress stockholders in the
Peruvian Company at any time r. VIII answer TO
tyes stakeholder.
AFTER MIR. HURIBUTs HEAD.
Mr. Rce-Now go and finish The statement of your
conversation with the Secretary.
Tb. witness-After General Hurlbuts letter came in
which he stated that had received the sealed letter
and Documents and that he had delivered the letter,
seut for Senator Blair among others and submitted the
letter to his impressions and advice He expressed
himself as very much disturbed in relation 20 itas
slow to believe and unwilling to believe that General
Hurlbut cOuld have deliberately committed himself
against uscommted himself as other counsel thought
tl.--By not delivering the documentsl Ayes; and
that very moment there cano other Information
10 us whcn will detail at the proper time, all of which
was In Senator Blairs mind when he spoke. That in
formation referred the fact that General Hnrlbut was
directly the pay Of the Credit lndustrlc There were
the suggestions III our mind first. tlat General
lurlbut WORKING against u.s. and second, that ne
aiInauVely IN the pay oI tEe SIe,ul IhdustIieL
These suggestions seemed TO trouble Senator Bairs
mind very much he expressed great pain and anxiety
and uncertainty, and his suggestion to me after
little delay "Tdke your letter books and all the papers
lore secretary Blame We viii get the bottom Of the
facts After few days delay dd come 10 Washing
ton bringing copies OF such letters as wished to showto
the Secretary. received at his house The
Secretary Of State received me apparently WIN mix
turc Of codialty and apprehension inferred from his
that he bad some intnatlcn oi The intent OF my
visit. lie commenced by asking, somewhat abruptly,
..Well what do you for at this timer replied
suppose Mr. SECRETARY have come for General llurbuts
@y S.d ava %ay DOWN w1 IS lie ed WITH
which seemed to be decidedly angry Well what Is
substance the pondence which had passed aud
exhibited him General lurbutS letter Il september
Wei what is the matter with that letter ~ said
Mr Secretary that letter disturbs ns more by what II
tain We lind there an utter absence OF
any such disposition, as we supposed existed
between u.s. and the state Department aud nimselfherc-
We hnl ALI absence Of hat disposition when we
talks sbout Perutla Peru needs nelp lie talks about
almost everything except American interests" And
then recouted To hun the substance Of the collateral
correspondence tod INN mat the inttnation IN MI
uiouts letter that the letter only had been delivered
and not TIC documents mad Deen confirmed ny letter
received from Mr. AIizoa by his correspondent.
Q.-ls that letter published III this Volume Ayes
a translation Of IT.
Rice-tio u with your narrative
The Witness-The secretary rcpci 10 these rcpresen
tatnus a vigorous manner and III about TINS
language: "We, sir, what business had you 10 make
An crtand boy OF the American Minister what busl-
ncss had you 10 send any letters for him TO deliver 10
body If he had thrown all your stun INTO the fire
he would have served you right" My reply was that
bad not presumed any rgt IN the premises, and Lad
only depended upon the courtesy OI tho American
Minister but that / still unable 10
see what right Minister had, after receiving
he letter and documents to deliver part and 10 dealn
the rest especially when he knew that they pcraned 10
international affairs and were intended for the President
OF the Republic OF Peru. 10 that the Secretary
made very ttle reply. c asked what further complaint
there was said Mr. Secretary, reports have come
10 s both through the South American papers and from
Inn ut I,erla.r