The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1856-1888, 1882-07-22

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At IL o'clock, on motion of Hon. A. S. Cleg-
horn the order of the day was proceeded with,
and the House resolved INTO mmit of the
Whole and proceeded to discuss the bill intro
duced by His Elk. the Acknowledgement relating
to the transferring of certain Crown Lands to
Claus Spreckels.
Hon. Mr.. PiIipo moved that the bill be consid-
cred section by section. Carried.
After the reading of the first section, the same
Hon. gentleman moved that il be indefinitely
postponed aud said in support of his motion
that the matter before the Committee should not
make them joyous or lead them to conduct
themselves as if they were in a theatre. He
considered that the matter in the bill was more
for a court to ajudicate on than for the Assem-
bly,. The Hon. gentleman continued a discourse
of nearly half an hour during which he charged
the Attorney-General, the Minister of the Inter
Tor and the Premier with u lack of regard for
the interests of Hawaiians ard the Hawaiian
Kingdom by the introduction of the measure un-
der discussion. The speaker was interrupted
during the first part of his remarks by the ex-
piration of the Limitation of time to ) minute
speeches and the Committee resolved into As
sembly rescinded the order of time as regarding
the discussions on the present bill and after II
motion TO adjourn until 10 o'clock next day had
been made and lost, the Committee was again
formed and Hon. Mr.. Pilipo continued:
He referred to the bill as most pernicious and
the introduction of the act looked very much
like an attempt to undermine His Majesty. 1t
may be, he said, that the Ministry were only
echoing the voice of n higher power. If so what
had happened to the King? "What ails him?
Has this same man Spreckels obtained a mold on
him?"
His Excellency the Acknowledgement called
the speaker 10 order aud raised the point that
the Ministers were the advisers of His Majesty.
no mention had been made that His Majesty had
advised them, and they (the Minister'S were
present in the Assembly to defend their own
acts. 1t was out of order for the Hon. member
to speak of His Majesty as he had.
The Chair sustained the point raised by the
Acknowledgement and Hon. Mr.. Pilipo con-
tinued in another strain, finally ending with de-
claring himself strong to lead and offering the
Ministry shelter if they were afraid in any way
to oppose the attacks or advances of the
enemies who might be encircling the nation.
He asked the Committee to recommend the in
definite postponement of the LIST Section of
the bill.
Hon. Mr.. Kauhane said that he was hardly
altogether in favor of the bill introduced, but it
was because he was in a quandary regarding
the right of the Assembly to pass on the matter.
The bill before the Assembly introduced by the
Cabinet would undoubtedly not have been Of
fered for the consideration of the Assembly and
especially by the law adviser of the Crown if it
were not right and proper to be considered by
the Assembly. He had waited patiently during
the remarks made by the Hon. Mr.. PilipO, for
some law to be quoted on the subject OF this
case, and In support of Hon. MIR. PIllpo's state
ments, but no authorities had been mentioned
and he was much disappointed. In regard to u
remark made by Hon. Mr.. Pilipo that a num-
Der of the Representatives had ssembled at a
certain residence on Il late evening, the speaker
said that he WAS one of the flock, that he had
gone without being specially invited and he was
sorry that his friend the Hon. Mr.. PilIpo had
not also dropped in, for he could have been
satisfied that the assemblage had met without
any desire to ruin the interests of the country.
He considered the Assembly had the authority to
consider the matter and hoped 1t would be fully
discussed, and that an opportunity be given to
all who desired, te present their views on the
subject. He considered 1t entirely unfair to con
denim the Ministry before they had said any
thing on the subject
On motion, the committee rose and took a re-
cess until 30.
AFTERNOON.
On reassembling at 80 p. m, His Excellency
the Attorney General took the floor and engaged
in the discussion connected with the bill under
consideration.
His Excellency said he was sorry that the
member for North KOna (Mr. PilipO) was not
in his seat. He had arraigned the bill without
waiting to hear first the reasons that could be
stated by Ministers for it. It was time that he
gave an opinion before taking Office, in respect
to this crown land question. This was no Sc
cret. His colleagues knew this before he took
office. He believed in the integrity of our high
courts of law, and because he believed that they
would be obliged to decide against the Crown, he
had been anxious that this bill should be brought
into the House. He was sorry that the Hon.
Member should impute corrupt motives. He
did not impugn the Hon. Member motives.
This bill was not introduced at instigation of
Nh. Spreckels, but was brought IN as a judicious
aud proper compromise. He aud his colleagues
were not responsible for insufficient laws. He
had been accused of being counsel for Mr..
Spreckels-true, he was the last person who
gave him an opinion on the subject, and this was
his opinion:
"In 1913, Kamehameha III divided his lands
and made over to the chiefs and pepole certain
lands, reserving to himself certain lands, since
then and up to 1865 called "The Kings lands, -
now called Crown Lands, as by deed executed by
himself appears, 'these lands are set apart for
me and nv heirs and snccessnrs for over rs my