The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1882-03-23
FELEGRAPHIC NEWS
shipherd is Telling What He
knsws About the South
American Busiuess.

W ashlngton, 2l.-This afternoon Ship.
herd gave TO the foreign affairs commit
lee the features of his interview with
Blaine, reserving other Questions, Ship.
herd stated that in the interyiew which
Iastea several hours on the evening o.
July 10Th. and probably from 10 to Il
O'Clock on the morning of the 26th, he
lonlp3herd) began by giving the secretary
d iull statement of the claims ofths Peru
Wan company upon their merits. The
secretary listened with what seemed to
Mr.. ShIpherd great deal more than
merely courteous attention, now and
then interfering questions showing that
ne Was following every point with care
and precision. He suggested some diff
culties from legal point of view; that
we Americans had purchased the claim
and expected the United States govern
ment 10 enforce it against Peru. After
full discussion the secretary asked
Shipherd TO suggest what was wanted
FROM our government. To this, Ship
herd, in effect, replied that st present we
can ask almost nothing. We cannot
go into court down there until Peru
denies the claim and until this is done
we have no right TO ask our government
to interfere. We can only ask pro-
visional remedy. Peru is now ship
ping our gusno and is about
to make an arrangement to pay her war
indemnity with our guano. All we de-
sire is that official notification be sent
both to Chill and Peru, that there ia q
right asserted to that guano, and that
whoever takes it will do so with notice
nf hot .a1
that is not asking much. After the mat
ter had been fully discussed and it was
made plain to the secretary shat the COM
psny was not asking the United States
government 70 assert its claim, the con-
versstion took some other turn, and was
finally closed with the remark by the
secretary: "Now, what do you want me
to do?" Shipherd replied in substance
IS before, that government should send
notifications OF the American title to the
gusno, and the secretary replied that he
would do so at once. Shipherd added,
Il think the following were the secre-
tary's words: That you will get sir. 1 go
directly to the state department.. shall
make it my first business"
Representative Blount asked witness:
"Was there any extraordinary reasons
for employing a United States senator
for attorney?"
I have never sought the aid or inhu-
enee of any member or senator, because
they were such. / did not seek the SER
vices of this senator because he was
sen ator, but as an attorney, and because
L knew he was particular friend of the
secretary Of state. Shipherd stated, in
reply to an inquiry by the chairman,
that he had further interviews with the
secretary on October 14th, November Sd
and November 5th. On the 14th wit
ness had two interviews, one of them at
the secretary's house and the latter at the
department. On Novem Der Sd an inter-
view took place at the secretary's house,
and on Novem Der 9Th very brief inter-
view occurred on the train between
Washington ard New York.
Representative Belmont addressed the
witness and said: You state that Hurl-
but said to you government was satisfied
IS 10 the validity of the claim; did he
state to you whether the President had
submitted it to the attorney general?
Well, not to my recollection. He said
the President regards your claim as
valid.
Shipher6 said: About the time Gen
ersl hurlbut was to go to Peru | coun-
ciled with gentleman very intimate
with General Hurlbut. lie said Steve
will block you at every point if there is
not something done for him, provided or
suggested to be provided for him. You
can count on it. Il makes no ditfs, ence
what argument you make at " ashIng-
ton, something has got to be done or pro-
vided for him. took this matter under
very careful consideration. / looked at
the matter rs business man, as az at
torney for my elem. l never prepared
to buy anybody for the SCI vice of this
company. l never supposed it would be
necessary to buy anybody. but became
clearly Of the opinion that there must be
tub for this whale in some form; that
there had got to be something said
or suggested which would at least
stay General Hurlbut from setting
himself absolutely against US.
determined within myself that i. would
not be wise or safe for me 10 have any
conversation with General Hurlbut
touching a private interest or provision
for himself or his friends. / was de-
termined that whatever said in that con
nectlon, would say in writing. / wrote
this letter, gentlemen. as deliberately as
ever wrote letter / have never from
that day to this regretted writing it. ]
have regretted this missprehension. ]
did not then fOrsee q chance of its being
published and its distressing whole
nation, if had I should certainly have
been very slow to write it, bnt it is let
ter which en- far as am rosnOnaihla 10,
lis tenure or Implication, have never
been afraid to Imeet. 1tmay, or it may
not have been artistic and well con-
structed. thought it was, and l think
so still. l think it was about as neal
way of handling him, a soaped end tc
stick. as could coDtrlve.
Washington, 22.-During the exam:
nation to-day, Shipherd stated that the
only official or Cfficer Of the United
States government who has received 8
fee from the Peruvian Company is VIM
Fl Robertson, collector of the port o.
New York.
ohipherd produced a copy of his letter
10 the President, dated April %, 1881
10 this letter Shipherd states that the in
terests OF his clients in Peru are so grea
as to entitle them to consideration in the
discussion of any pans sfec ing the fu'
ture Of the PROSTATE republic He fur
Their states that the purpose of this note il
that the decision as to the appointment.
of ministers to Chilli and Peru shall be
reserved until the facts relative to the
claims Of the Peruvian Company shall
have been laid before the President
Shipherd stated that he had not yet
n