New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1882-04-25

TONS 1t appears TO me that its first ehor'S
should be 10 ascertain what was written by
the DE pormcnr 70 the Minister ana What was written
by the Minister to the Department. What MI shpherdS
opinion was Of what ought TO have written or rs 10
what it would have been wise to have written or ~ to
what II would have been for his interest 20 have me
write. it docs to me matter of great import
ance. What actually written have inc pleasure OF
presenting the committee. In the Peruvian ana
Gillian paners that were sent to Congress only those
papers were sent which seemed pertinent to Tie IN
qury and they have been already published but these
two envelopes laying down two large official envelopes
on the table, contain everything that passed between
Mr. Hurlbut and myself. My own dispatches. which
have or seven IN 6et are Win s,' me ryen
by very fan yahus so that the entire correspondence
MI Blount-ls this additional TO WHAT mas oeeh pup
Mr. Blaine-It is everything II contains good many
triing ncOnsi lcTabe Dispatches 1t does not hdl
any thing to the question: and only present 1t bccas
could get The bottom Of this thing until all
the dispatches were presented snd Therefore now pre-
them committee for it, Everything t1at
passed between Mr. Hurlolt and my 7ef duIns Ills
Mission at Lima If included III these two envelopes
Mr.. Kasson-Are these papers submitted to the com,
mttee with the consent Of the Executive Department OF
the Government
MIR. BLAME wrote a note to the State Department
asking for copies Of the other Documents anu these were
$50 that there IS no chance OF any complaint Of r.
regular disclosures In this mattcrf A-Ihcre Is morning
Q-Therc Is no rregularity in the submission OF themi
A-No the slightest. have not been to the STATE ne
partment, but addressed note TO IL ana goI 'ncSo
papers III reply 49,. - -.
public with the co sent of the Department A;-ieNS'
they merely to such rfng matters as etuhg MI
Hurbut know that he may have bis stationery ~ GER
tain way, or that he may go ON INC AashA II o i
only present them through the exercise Of caution ana
Mr. Kasson having served in foreign once Knows yer!
well that, OF every five dispatches probably three or
four would he vi no public interest whatever .
MI kasson- only wished to guard the committee
Mr elaine In those dispatches are he found every
thing that ever passed between Mr. Hurbut and myself
in reference 10 the Cochct claim; and quotations
shall make i'm Inv testimony are from any Of these
dispatchcs but from the dispatches that are already
published by the state Department. merely repeat
that II seemed that the evident way to get at the
exact knowledge OF what was done was TO ma II ou3
from the correspondence between Tie Department ana
the Minister
Tne chailman-If Mr.. Blaine VIII alow me. viii sug-
ges the course which the examination has heretofore
taken before tue committee As understand tho
resolution OF Instructions from ilo lousc At vas ~ "a
qurc IN reference 10 any Application tat had p'ch Hdc
10 the Government for it, friendly intervention in favor
Of any claims asainsl The Peruvian Government and
there FORE deem important 10 inquire into the inter
views between Mr. Blaine ana Sir Sbipherd
sHPHEED's REPRESENTATIONS TO MR. BLAINE.
Nj Blane-I am not finding fault with the committee.
beg the chairman understand that ask once for all
that that will not be supposed Mr.. shipherd and
stated that he the representative of II very
important claim against Peru, known as the Cocbei
clam. Of which at that time / neye bad heard did
not know IT. name ana asked him no" tochet was
spelled had never utaid tHe "oid peIoIc III ny me-
lie went 10 state that II was very lmpoi tant mat
Company lie sad that he was iis Chrt agent; thai
senator lar OF ms active counsel that et-Sen-
stor BoutNcl whose opinion ne had ~ nT poch't ana
which offered 10 show me, was one OF his aee cohh
sci that ex-senator Eaton, OF Connecticut ana eN-oea
scott LORD one OF his counsel ana imhh tIal ne
also men uoue The name OF sI Robertson a. one 81 hS
counsel liz ainy dd mention the name VI eAScia
tor tragiu OF New Hampshire.
MI 4sson-W as that al the frat interview
Mr.. tla.nc - he very first. thought that II was
very formidable array OF counsel He stated thai me
men who Stood behind the clHm as o"hTI7 M,Ie ING
sir. iYl mon
several Of them by name. lie specified J., y. morgan
men Toned dozen NAMES ana made great display Of
strength. bOth to the counsel for the CAIN ana "a 10
tue ownership Of it. mention the paSsank have
been some nat criticised not sending ,npnerd Out OF
my house The first occasion hal e came mere Dut
Will say To committee that gentleman who comes
TO me introduced by United States Senator
having three United States exSenators Tor counsel an
ex--ccrctary of the treasury for counsel; ana
August belmont, T. d. Morgan ana Ar SenSman lOr co
partners, is man EOm you would naturally hcHout
Of your house at the very hrsl sigh OF MN lLiushCi
And 50 to be excused for not performing the nuty
which, three OF four months afci"ad, Pracucaly
dI, on further mo nation lie went on ana tou me Oh
this claim. lie spike OF ITS Vasncss lis NSiut, Us
strength ana its int, gritty. said to him. " MI ship
nerd, after AL yon disclose OF the cidiu oi WnIcn
know make out no case Tor thc lhiefVeh
for some me SAID Your case comes to reducto
od atsurdua. If You thlnk that you can take
claim Peruvian oltlzen and secure the intervention
of tne nlted states Government by selling portion OF
it to Am, culcns, then you cOdd 20 over 10 Lug
20 TO Germany and sell portion t. German subjects;
ou codd To France and sci portion TO frencn ct-
cOnld get England, Germany, France
ana The Um.cd states ali 10 intervene against Peru ana
probably yet hcr to do sOmet hug lie SAID: lou 40
not 4mdeis ana this" tod min did not He said:
" he cast here is not claim at al, II Is property
What would lou say If an American citilen owned
block Of stores in Lima, or great plantation or
hacienda tAat he haG been cuh'aung-o"ned
to dI -pGsstss hn Of llwOdI not that make case Tor
ini,rVcutlon! said: Iuat would after the case
II recolcct his testimony he breaches ltte on tns
very idea; but he does n0l give 1t III lul lie said:
Ihat the case when pres'n to YOU and lie read
10 me thc opinions Mr. E,arts one Of then he read
and one incm he quoted Mr.. Evdrs's opinion being
oONs II COcHet was the di,cOVcler OF guano, ms
discovery vested III m tHe ul!e to Onethrd OF all the
gu-no II Peru ANA lie may, at his opuOn claim one
third OF each heap or any other equitable one thrd OF
the total II thh attempts TO resist NochelH
demand his own, docs but make herself imine
datoy directly liable Io the "uOe dcDt hs iOI tOf
A PROMISE TO INQUIRE INTO THE CLAIM.
He quoted still more strongly an opinion winch he az
terward brought to light the letter from Mir CamacbO
TO Mr. Arzoa But instead Of that letter being trans
lated spanish into English, venture TO make the
assertion jnat Mr. shepherds original compost
on, and thai translated INTO spanish ny Canacho
sad: 81 tHs DC your case thAt you nav an &C idl
ownership Of property IL Peru OF coulse that would pre-
sent different case; out 90 not cieut H. ms seems
to TO he ca.n" lie sand Ask LOT report upon
such respectable counsel as you have and 30
strong al array oI ownership as you have, l
certainly Will nqulre mo: have no OBJ cuon
to 90 that. involves nOtig ana commits te Gov
crnneut to nOth.ns." That was Oh July 20. day or
two aerward called the attention OF Mr ie'co VINO
was tnen aAslbting some matters al Inc Department,
especially ia SOutn America to H.. We mad oeeh before
familiar Is having been before congress. ana
requested Mr. PRESCOTT to prepare dispatCu TO Mt
IiuIDut, and include an 10 nm lOr report On
the status OF the clam caed the COchet cain saying
Iurbui. VINO knows everything Ill diplomacy
connection SOuIn American countries, viii
know about the COcnet 81 am Aud hr. IrcscOtt, under
my direction, the d.spatcu and l have on THIS
sheet IA paper Win printed extracts pasted Oh AZ every
word that ever passed between the state Depl ncht
and Mr.. Hurlhut about the COcnet caln
AIier introduction saying tnat the matter had been
submitted TO the Department mere say III TINS dspaicD
OF August to an. hur.buI: =" In ieiereuce 10 the
claim there has been no lnloruatUn ald before
Department OF sufficiently definite character 10
a Instruction. and III the absence of tue
requist. dat here you viii be et 10 take such steps
cX,euent Ia luNes. lgatlnS the origin and
character If CLAIM. the primal point at Issue Is
whe any citizen association OF cUzcDs