New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1882-04-27

an ex-secretary of state.
Mr. Blano-fes But tho nrst onsdcraton Is to state
accurately what you do state Now, never said IN the
renoes way, never implied, that the courts OF Peru
did not exist
Mr. Beimont-I will be satisfied with that statement
You say IN your dispatch that the executive LEGISLATIVE
and Judicial functions OF the Government IN feru arc !"
Mr. Blainc-Exactly. That is distinct and well un-
Mr. Beimont~In rotation to tho Coohet claim You said
In your dispatch OF November IT, 1881 that te reIi
ofces Of his government How then could G. Ian.
purchase his French brother the good ooes OF
this Government
Mr.. Baine-He did not
Mr. Belmont thought not Did the Peruvian Coy
Landreau that contract that was made with
his French brother
Mr.. Blaine-He was the partner OF his brother.
Mr.. Belmont repeated his question.
Mr.. Blane-The contract was made in the name OF
Theophile. and he was the partner OF MS brother
Mr. BelmOnt-Was the contract made with the French
man or with the Amercani
M Baine-It made with tho Frenohman and with
Mr. Bolmont-Was the American his partner at the
timei
Mr. Baine--At the time.
Mr. Belmont-Ts that yorrr understanding Off
Mr. Belmont-And that is the answer which you wish
TO remainl
did not one or both Of the Landresus dis,inctly
stipulate that any question OF dis ute srls-
ing out OF the contract should be submit
ted the judicial tribunals In Peru, and that in no case
should tie diplomatic Intervention OF any foreign GOV
Mr. Baine-You learned that from my dispatch. 80
stated In my dispatch.
THE GROUND OF DIPLOMATIC INTERVENTION
Mr. Belmont-On what ground them did the Govern
ment OF the United States intervene Automatically In be-
half of J. c. Landreaui
Mr. Baine-Because after cutting him out OF diploma
tic Intervention and saying that he should take all his
remedies in the cOurts Of justice OF Peru the courts de-
cded that they had jurisdiction After the Date OF
had gO his army botn sides OF the Rappahanhoo IKE
that caught in jumping a fence. pressed by
the hOunds VIII ch position he could not gore IN one
direction kick in the other llanghterJ mat eN
scty where the Peruvians got Landreau lie mad
neither diplomatic Intervention from home nor the rlgnt
OF judicial trial abroad. In my dispatch u General
HuTlbut say that while thls Government would not
present advised, undertake 20 cOnstrue tDe CON
decide upon the question OF the compensation
due Iandreau you Instructed 10 call the attention
Of tho Peruvian Government this injustice ana 10 say
that the Government OF the United states viii expect
adequate and proper means to DO taAen by wlon
Landreau obtain Judicial decision upon MS rlShI
Mr. belmOnt-That II slll
MIR BLAINE was adventurous enough to ask foreign
Government that American citizen inlght nave
Mr. Belmont0Whlle the courts were in abeyancei
Mr. Blaine-Oh, no; / did not want the courts TO be
called out OF allegiance for that claim because they had
already ruled upon it and far as this case Is con
said II the Peruvian courts deprived Landreau OF
Justice then in the opinion Of this Government Peru was
b0dnd in duty and honor TO 30 one OF three tnhgso
supply impartial tribunal to extend tho Jurisdiction
OF the present courts, or to submit the case OF
Iandreau to arbitration desired to call attention TO
the that in antcps treaty OF peace between
Chill Peru the later might possibly be compelled 10
suomi 70 "A loss O territory, whlch might incluae the
guanO deposits discovered by Landrean and for the dis
covery OF which Peru contracted 10 pay him royalty
the tonnage removed therefore, the Peruvian Gov
ernment should he treaty. stpuate for the payment
to Landrt OF the amount due under his contract ana
that II the transfer should De MADE 70 'h u sn We
understood that this claim OF an American clze9 Q
formal adjudcs eel In ais favorl should he reated IS
n piOr len on the property 70 WINCH ~ atlaI,e, "'u
that Chill accepted the cesson with the CONDITION an
nexed. Well, 1t vas not done No'hng was zone nnIer
IL, and thai property hhs gone mo u'n uaus law
Gilman Government has advertised that very property
u million tons OF guaoO which suppose Is worm
oGO,OOOOO0-in Liverpool ana the Cmiah 1o'erhlhent
pledges Itself IN advertisement to onr-hal the
proceeds into Bank OF England for the benefit OF the
PeT,l II was pat-up o6" al through 1t loot
aud booty. There was not as much cause for
by Hastings and Give. The war upon Peru
has been made IN the same interest ten,s Is ~
was made by England and England sweeps It All
Mr. BeimOnt-lhen the whole war was about tnl' Ter
Mr. Blaine-The whole was about tie territory
when has value in it. 49,
Mr. Blaine Yes Il the case OF Naboths vineyard
over again. They came aud looked over me wall ana
lOuged 10 have ~ ANA see o.! thlS morhhE Papo,S
that there English fleet Of seven great iron
cldds along the coast from Caso TO valparaiso anu ley
have been there all the time England has had strong
fleet all through the war lne lronclAds tnat de
stroy TIC Peruvian navy were furnished Ivy English
NOT WAR or CHILL ALONE UPON PERU.
Peruvian agent came 30 this country whether
they could not get ship Of war to 10 ont there lie
said TINT they not apply to England 10 get IT, we
were not able 10 furnish il 90 not speak Of the
Covcrnmeut speak Of the shp builders OF this coun
try TIE Peruvian Government did not dare TO appy to
En gland for It, IL is al entire mistake to speak 81 that
war ~ OF Chill alone upon Peru IL WAS an Enssh
war mon Peru with Ghlll he instrument take the
responsibility OF that assertion resoiutey Ch never
w0n nave made il had not been for the backing
Of English capital; ana Whrn lne1 come 10 lVlue the
loot spos England takes one-af and Chill the other
half; aud they LAY A.. AS to thls inpndent
of state wrote down mere. the American people not
going to IN erfere IN heAa OF ina CAIN hat
right has American citizen down more We intend 10
settle This thing ourselves Ana we nave earned me
privilege OF being absolutely the subject OF Cnln car
looms in which the American Navy - rep,esehteI az
heinz blown OF the water ny the Cnan meet aud II IS
believed all over Chill to-day that the United 9isle,
backed down for fear OF being punished ny Chu ana
that we merely escaped getting thrIshing By setting
just in time from terrible war ia WIoh INC Oulc
states 10 he ruined 10y Cnll hlShIeah hundred
thousand people eight thousand miles away, were just
about to whip the United safes .,,..
Mr. RelmOut-I thOught that England bad something
10 do WIN IT, ht Of course II there was to be war
al all II would he war not win Oll atone .o...
MT Blaine with - defiant eIpresslpn do You mean
10 s. Nv that y0u think tuat English Intervention would
have gone so 10 have made war upon the United
Stntes ON that ground
Mr Belmont have no Information aboutit
Mr. B!ainc-You seem 10 be proHering some.
Mr. BelmOntNO on state that This was put ny jed
NJ Blaiu,-Y Yes: ana do think thar the English
would nave carried oil quite ~ much ~ they did II the
Uuitrd states had not backed down
Mir Belmont Aud you really think that the war was
fr the possession o. tne guauo aud nitrat" deposits
MIR Blaine-C certainly. Beyond all doubt hat was me
whole of It; ald the United states could nave prevented
it without trlng gun. History will mold the United
sta tes responsIOe for IT, Thai Is my DeieL ,..,
Mr. Brlmunt--Certainy the posi- ion OF the United
states i'm south America very unfortunate
Mir blame cannot quite aeree vita you in mat; be
sause tho United states has position there Al all
Mr. Irlmont-rlat Is very unfortunate. and."c arc
trying TO mt the reason of and the responsibility
Tor II. -. o,.,.
Mr. BLANCHARD you think ia in the Landrean cA'n
Mir Belmont rhat is only an incidental matter.
Mr. Hiaiue-Yes, ! should think 50. Tue tact is that
tho whole OF this bus regarding the Lahdreau claim
or the Coche ella hid no more to do VITA tho Amer
can nnllcy in south America than birIce on the bot
tnn oi the vessel that carried General Hurbut into
lima II never interrupted tne course OF " Tor an hour
II never Inquired in II, In the Instructions that
Mir Tre.cot received from President Arthur there
nn allusiou made at all these claims. They do
figure IN IL. They not part Of the res Sese
Tucv were mere incidents and triies.
Mr.. BcmOnt-Suppose the Government OF the
United states should make contract with
an COnal