Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1882-01-19

than once on the same question until every
member choosing to speak shall have spoken
He said the gentlemen from New Jersey ant
Kansas (Robeson and Haskill) had spoken hal
q dozen times on the subject daughter and ap
plause on the democratic side), and he wanted
to know whether the privileges OF the house
were concentrated in the hands of two OF
or three members, or whether other gentle
men had a right to be heard on question az
fecting the organization of the house.
| The Speaker-The gentleman himself had
not been seeking the floor to be heard on his
point of order.
| Belford-I have been seeking the floor for
two days, and have failed, because do not
belong to the sacred circle which assumes
the domination of debates (Renewed laugh
ter and applause on the democratic side.)
am uttering but common complaint when l
say that the young members of the house ap-
dear to have no rights in it. I desire to dis
cuss the whole question.
! The speaker-The pending question is out
of order on the substitute.
| Belford-That is what want to speak
about. desire to discuss it as it was dis
cussed yesterday by the gentleman from Penn
sylvania kelly, and it was discussed to-day
by the gentleman from New Jersey (Robeson);
that is, by embracing the entire question
without amendment of the rules.
1uc 6ptdkcT-1ut CldlT tllluhS tuC pOlut VI
order had better be disposed of first.
Discussion of the point of order was re-
sumed and was further participated in by Calk-
ms, Hooker, Boyne, Sparks, Burrows, (Mich),
Mills, Scales, Hammond (Ga), and Page.
At last the discussion was brought to a
close and tbs speaker proceeded to state his
opinion on the point of order. The substi-
tute, he said, proposed to amend the report
made by the committee on rules, but it was in
Co ~ ,ln&o nhopr
1t was not in any respect kindred to charging
the committees. Still, on account of the pc
cullar relations of the chair to the proposed
amendment, he would avail himself of his
right to submit the point of order to the house
for its decision.
The question was submitted to the house,
and the point of order taken against the sub
stitute was sustained-yeas 1853, nays "a.
So the substitute was ruled out of order.
Mr.. King offered an amendment relating to
the committee on improvement of the Missis-
sippi river, providing that it shall have the
same privileges in reporting appropriations
for the improvement of that river as are &C.
corded to the appropriation committee on re-
porting mineral appropriation bills. He spoke
in support of the amendment as bearing on the
question of cheap transportation.
Mr.. Dunn opposed the amendment, arguing
that the question of improving the Mississippi
Mr.. Thomas advocated the amendment, and
said there was no reason why the committee
on commerce should have charge of the ques-
ton unless the object was to make the appro-
priations for the Mississippi carry through
the river and harbor appropriation bill. He
asserted that the commerce of the Mississippi
river was twenty-five times greater than the
whole foreign commerce of the United States,
and by the projected improvements transport
tatiou would be cheapened.
Mr. Thompson opposed the amendment.
Mr.. Springer advocated the amendment, and
appealed to the eastern members to give to
the interests of the great Mississippi valley
the special committee provided for in the
amendment.
Mr.. Turner also advocated the amendment,
and suggested that the committee should also
have jurisdiction of the Ohio and other navi-
gable tributaries of the Mississippi.
MIR. Kenna asked Turner whether he had
ever voted for an appropriation for any river.
Mr.. Turner retorted that the gentleman
(Kenna), who is member of the committee
on commerce. seemed to regard no interest
except that of West Virginia, and that he
(Kenna) voted for appropriations for streams
that should have been macadamiZed. Laugh-
ter.)
/ Mr.. Dawes offered an amendment specifying
the Ohio and Missouri rivers.
Mr.. Van Horn spoke of the enormity of the
proposition to improve only that part of the
Mississippi river which least needed improve
ment, leaving untouched 5000 miles OF up
river navigation, which supplied 80 per cent.
of the commerce Of the lower rivers.
Mr.. Horr thought the proposition to allow
the committee on Improvements OF the Miss
issippi river to report appropriations for that
the improvements of that river. The next
thing would be the appointment of commit
tee on the improvement of the Atlantic coast,
and next one on the improvement of Kiskimi-
netas. The house would 60 on portioning
out the work until the commerce Ofthe coun-
try would be destroyed. He was opposed to
the action of the committee on rules. He had
endeavored to discover where the necess-
iity, for that action originated but
had failed. Whence this trouble
about the committees. He would just
as soon endeavor to find out who struck Billy
Patterson. The next question was "Was the
plaster proposed large enough to cover us ALP"
There were ten men in the house, each of
whom thought that if he were on the ways
and means committee it would be complete.
But only places would be made for two. What
would the other eight do? The old sore
would only be torn open. The next thing
low, and then death. (Laughter.) This whole
business looked to him like
boys play. He criticised Orth's
proposition, claiming that under it the COM
mittee membership would be selected accord
ing to length of service. That gentleman had
been here for thirteen years, and had never
discovered the tyranny of one man power I'M
til week ago. Was there anything in that
tyranny that man could not see until he got
black eye? Uaughter.) Over one-fifth of
the time of the present session had passed and
gone, and the question occurred to him, "what
have We done?" There were many important
questions pressing upon congress for atten-
ton, and yet here it had frittered away one
fourth of the entire session talking about little
technical questions of order, and trying to
patch up the committees which the speaker
had appointed with excellent discretion. Let
the house show the country that the speaker
had made no mistake, and not waste time in
debating who should sit at this or that Com
mittee table. The house ought to drop that
question and take up something that would
be of practical use to the nation. applause
Mr.. Willis moved an amendment to Pages
amendment, SO as to give the committee on
improvement of the Mississippi river juris-
diction also over the principal tributaries.
The matter then went over for day, Robe
son stating that he would call the previous
question tomorrow.
Mr.. Davis presented resolutions Of the Chi
cago board of trade relative to transportation
between the Mississippi river and the lakes.
Referred.
Adjourned.