New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1882-03-22
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WinessITo Secretary Blaine.
Charm an--When and where ut, .o
| in mi, city.
| Wtness~on the 25th or 26h Of July, 1881 The in
terview began the evening Of tae 2oth ana "s'od ~
Chaitnan~A At what time Of the day the interview
| Winess-Thc interview began the evening OF the
25;h think az abot ocock. IL occurred ~ the rG G
conversation extended until late hour. ana we Zen zen
resumed think about 10 oclo?K the mex. 'o" ~
| his residence and confined until about noon
we're sSnm G; think that to be mpor
'l Chairman think so.
NJ R"inonYon have already given the name in one
of yonr letters aulng to the name of Senator BAR OF
wnessTI understand that and so far as these letters
concerned, they speak i0r themselves. WI $50 r
frankly Il ths committee tie cInNa-rasSGlsh wHlcA ar
rests me at this point There was pcr.on present. nc
was senator Of TIE United states | ha been proies
sonally alvsel b counsel thai IN tcS'llynS Deioru
conmie, of the House must obs"ryc great retlcchce
with reference 10 any act OF scnator uurroso Of tbo
committee TO 20 into th' inye'tiganon OF senator
The witnass-I II Idars'ani that; bat the que-iion
is how far be is to be kept ont II we once introduce
him. ,,, ,ao -, "a
connt of the interview person was present
Whoever the senator may h. it It OR pirpose now
plriicnirs II iii, interview between yoI ald Sccre-
tary Blaine and whoever else may have been present
SHEPHERD AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE
The witnesS-Thc interview was exclusively between
the and myself The Senator who was present
was present mutual friend conceivhby "a counsel
But he was not party the ltervew in such sense us
10 maxi his presence OF any Importance, ana lmaFey
wish TO be careful that ain doing no hin% Improper
The chairinAn-We appreciate that III.
The witne5'- ne committee WIN tGnp"riiS VAN MI
that question, vii have lile cOnsu NJ WIN
the proper time meet ths qni;ion ho ba W
waive thai part of the interview at present STATE
"H on else EXCEPT at the latter part of the
| interview in the afternoon when Walker Blame was
PC6oirmau-lIow was the interview brought about
WitnessThc interview was brought about by the good
| offices of the senate. who was present 49,
Mr.. Bclmon;-Dd that Se;a or summon You 10 WASH
Wines Ches;tstin y)-well. here am.
| Mr. Belmont Will not press ne lues ION. III
fact The senator whoever he was acted there a3
council excl lsiy%lr being conn5'3 hi t% r as
to what passed between myself Hnd counsel: .s.,.o
Chairman tie question, are you free to state
| the name Of the ScnatOr2
Witncs,-so far ~ / am p, rsonaly cone ,rned, am.
but should be glad to defer the maj decision Oil 'n"'
| Mr E.ourt-Do unlcrs AMI you 20 say tna' yon Iut
your dec!nation on the ground tha' tls person WIS
WINS iayc not intended to decline answering
have int ended simply ggc 10 the commit me gen
era fact first ha; THIS person ID senator o. 'e NO.
states AID seco2d that whatever rciat'hs ,e may nv
sustained me in She premises We're those "t cnhsS
and therefore, hnd my self little eb iirs-ca ~ ms
decline as yet by ANY means to answer the question
| MI Bl0rnt-I should like 70 know on which ground
'SW Pncs$.I an marraS-ed by boh facts That is all
can say; and wish to proceed with due caution.
Mr. Blount-li tins matter vas nSat why 'ho"'u you
Object TO disclosing the name " On at orMcy no,o
any obcc ion. But he nnpJcs TO be also oea'or Oh
Mr. iioGu,Erhcn ;la i the reAl, obi c.loA!
Witness The two compli'aIc each o'Aer
Wincss@I don't know that I can explain it, simply
| state how il hcs in ny own mind. 49,, ...,.
Won saw here cannot be used aaiust you hcr,cfteri
Wiiness-fLerc is nothing that l am not prepared to
| say so far rs AN concerned. "a .
ECuO!i--tjid NOlr lcltcT OF AUGUST 10 W
Mr.. Hurlbu mention til" maine oi t,' senator ,,o.
whatever statements made III any of my cl'e.S are
Mr. LoTl"You wish the committee 10 unjcrs aud that
the Senator wa your counsel!
| WIuess-IIe VAS my counsel ,,, $500
Mr. Belmcut-I see that the interview o. winch you
! speak il described in TIN, lelier Of August -.
Chairm suPSosr there Is no doubt the mind of
the committee anyone else. ~ 20 Wil senator - re-
eryiew his morning - finish MP tha. branch ofhe
Wj,nessE1he intcryew was Gakng ITS two points to-
cether 50 long thu have prescrtci III ~ ic'o cco
| E or r eaI, Or 6a!o. or OF tHc rcion Of
ments exchanged In Oh" carr part o! oar AK vac sec
rctarJ ucstel that shouli proceed TO oHihe our
Caanl believe y9n hays sard IT ih9 n Yon pre-
Mr. Ilurlhu, 20 which YOU have jus; referred would
like to have you make Il statement Win REGARD 10
Witness some tine during the interview at
rc.1, the oil the steps
wh,ch had taken to that time m tue dlr zion OF ne
letters hat fad been received etc. r'err,1 paTicq-
| iorv 10 the sixtcen-pae. letter f? Mir. Hur
| but, a.d TO the fact Dat | had m .lei COPY o!
il Immediately tie President Somewhere IL Tat
! connection Il dom now recall the ihmeGaie
There is another lctcr, MIR Secretary, when dom
! think OIL have scen wrct' 10 Qcaei@ hurh9t tatE
tn caer Mnrut Thcre ere vry few letters which
carr verbatim in m mind Dat n'i N r',"ni tp Dr
fact n0t General Gurlbut did not come 10 see me IN
taolga az uuic.stood he week ~ New York al
thai rme. md th1nt" II wa n,,lg odl - S h
ing MN, l II ne Io i, ih@ t!rd iiy pra.cat
~ I c , Of attcmpiin to stducc General lIurlbnt
Gy oIcrin 10 sol Hm sOcx The secretary nod icd aud
| iingir md rai nc do no. think hal We woId fetch
linn r some remark o; nat sorJ Subsequently at IN
| interview much later Go which WI come III que
coUrscl The matter again referred IL and more emf
| pbaicay dwell Thee wa moi the ~i-hte.t ihtlna-
lion given by he secretary ina there was any mig i
proper il tie ,c,cr, OF that he supposed ad any i
| pToper motive in Trung r. 5000, ~ oo,,.. al; ,,,,,
ChaiuHau-Iou can take your own course WIN ' o'H
| testimony 10 ti:s Interview
SIA1ING iHF CASE TO Mr. BLAINE.
Wress-I began by stating the Gaze 90 its merits III
answer The Secretary request He listened Win "ha
| seemed to me good acal more than courteous
attention He seemed to be an exceedingly Interested
listener He followed ne vciy close; now and thn III
t.Ii.ctrg remarks aLd asking mo qucso-s, showing
that he was following the point VITA the creates cart
| ana attention lie suggested probable d'Ehs from
egi uoint o. Wow. r.incinbor hat hc Iaihcd TIE
question cf possible .oSnabiNty Of IL cna9o IN
ac ion" between HH. los. lie Sdi3 " ii ne goa hi'e
bought claim" rcphe " ar ScCrd ',ry, on' We
that there Is al least $}pu,o'hVJo worm "I u DmE
| there af Ibis identical properly ...
MIR. Pcck-WhGt d yOu mean by tle hoiar'lghaD'hy
| OF "a cha sr in action q
| Wi.nr.s-rLe Secretary said You Americans lave
bou I'll, Of FrrncAhI1n or ui Iii Ieruy'ah or
aud now con come 20 n United states - ntt IRE
| ia your b, lalf TINS pulcha-ed claim. Have you IA
ligh. 10 do that Z" SAID: suppose, hr occTrtaly
maj we 20 down there and buy 10000 acres 81 Land.
! Ol" sa he, " bat hat entirely different case
Ircspondcd: But Dough. gua-O. We bought proper
~" remember tGal IN tHai way n showed qlp3'l
ton 10 sa..sy MIN, II cc4Iy on "vc'y poin thai "r
| eur a 10 lin s 1c.t along. Rcsuinig
| ton in the morning
/ Mr.. I:i,c-Wcrr the same parties present
witness -- With tue addition 81 walker
| Blame the latter pert OF thc ih'cf-