Morning journal and courier., 1882-05-12

No, sir.
 What was there peculiar about the rings?
 One on each hand had stone in it.
 Was there anything else about the ring you noticed?
 don't recollect now.
 When did you first tell about these rings?
 At West Haven, when gave my testimony before the coroner's jury.
 Did you not read about the rings in tke paper before you testified?
 Yes, sir, I think did.
 Was there not statement in the paper about your saying something about hush money?
 Yes sir. but did not say what was stated.
 Where was the talk about hush money?
 It was on Trumbull street.
 Who was present at that conversation
 Myself, a MT. Persch, MT. Hatstat and MT. Lomax. MT. Twining might have been there, presume he was.
 Was Mir. Twining witness who testified at West Hayen2
 presume he was
 Who else was there?
 think Mir. Bailey was there, but he did not engage in the conversation.
 Was it suggested that any particular per- son should approach MT. Malley about the matter
 No, sir.
 Was there anything said about hush
 money?
 Persch spoke about it, but the others would have nothing to say about it. Was this not 8 week or two after your pur- ported statement was published in the pa per?
 It was before I testified at West Haven, and after it was published in the paper. When did you talk with MT. Bollman about this matter
 It was week or two before I testified in West Haven.
 Did you not know that Persch was acting in concert with MT. Bollman? Yes, sir I knew from what he said. Did not Pursch propose to get some hush money? He proposed it for himself, but not fo, the others.
 At this point, 12:45, Judge Granger or dered a recess until 2 o'clock. MT. Jones-Will your honor be so kind af | to instruct the witness not to talk with anyone about the case during the intermission Judge Granger-I cannot do that, Mir Jones you can instruct him yourself if YOU choose to do so. :'>
 ! MT. Doolittle-I think such 8 proposition 1 from the other side is preposterous. The recess followed.
 Afternoon. In continuation Mir. Audley, in reply tt Judge Blyderburgh, said: Lomax was [ X brother-in- law of MT. Persch. No, sir, I die not know that Hatstat was to be witness | He did not testify down there and was dow1 at the hearing.
 I Of the group, Audley, Persch, Lomax, Hat stat, was it not talked over who was to be witness? can't say. ! Can you tell this jury who the hush none, 1 was to be used to hush
 | Mr. Persch was the only one who talked l about it that remember ! Did you testify in West Haven that it wa | told to you that nc money could be got ou of it?
 ! I told at one time MT. Persch said h l didn't believe that any money could be go out of it. ] Re-direct-I don't know much about Mir Persch. had seen him around the corne ! there. at Hatstat's store. He was living thel on Templestr Don't know how long b lived there have not seen him since las fall. I saw him once since Jennie Cramer' ! death, last fall, and heard he was drummer Did you hear he got into difficulty in Bos ton.
 Yes, sir, I heard he stole an overcoat.
 Witness continued-At Hatstat's stor Persch said he was going to see the Malley \ and see what he could make out of the case X He said he went to see them and the attor ney on the other side. Mir. Whedon tol him there was no money on the State side t' \ be made out of the case. He said he went tt Malleys store and Mir. Malley's son Walter \ told him to go to his house at o'clock He told me afterward that he went to Savir ! Rock He said he went down to look ul ! some of the evidence. That is all I remem ! ber :. Was there any such word as hush none. s used2
 ! No, sir I thought from the first that i | would make trouble for US if we paid atten ! tion to what he said. The first time say | Persch was August 6, at the corner of Whit ! ney avenue and Trumbull street. Never say ! him until after Iheard of Miss Cramer's death ! he was living then on Temple street; don know how long he lived there saw him tn last time last fall don't know what his busi ness was heard that he was drummer don't know whether from New York or Bos ton; heard that he got into difficulty il Boston heard that he stole an overcoa ! there.
 Mir. Doolittle asked the witness to repea the conversation, already alluded to, the part. had in the Hatstat store, when the so-callet
 tshush money'' was mentioned. The witnes < said Persch first said that he was going tt see the Malleys and sec. what he could mak out of the case he said that he went to SCI [ he said his name was-and he told him ther was no money in the States side to be mad l out of the case; Persch also said that h. ! went to Mir. Malley's store, where Mir. Nal ley's son Walter told him to come up to hi ! house at ? o'clock; Persch then said that h.
 went down to Savin Rock to look up some O | the evidence that is all that remember O I the conversation at the store; nothing wal
 said about hush money; I thought .tha | Ha I rn Q tention to him the first time I saw Perscl l was on Saturday evening, August 9th; hs \ was on the corner of Whitney avenue ane Trumbull street; I read to Persch the ac ! count of Jennie Cramer's death he was at the time standing near Hatstat's store; Il
 was about 6:3O o'clock; Persch did not say how he was going to get his money from the stats store; as I read from the paper the &C., ! count said, ''Why, saw that couple pass ! here yesterday ;'' it was week or two after ! Friday, August 5th that we had the conver- ! sation in the stope about the Malleys 1t was ! before that that Persch said he had been to Whedon's office and he had told him there \ was no money in the case; nothing more was ! said.
 To Mir. Jones-Perch,s brother. in law was present when had the conversation with him Saturday, August 6. I never knew Persch before. I think that I first started the conversation. I said: Did you hear about the lady that was drowned at Savin Rock? While I was reading Mir. Hatstat came to the door. I gave him the paper and he read the account. Nothing was said at that time about money, nor about Persch's going to see anyone about the case. Per- and his brother flaw stood on the sidewalk
 when came along. Next saw Persch three or four times the next week. We had three or four conversations at Hatstat's store Don't think that I saw him at the store over four or five times. I met him on Whitney avenue one day and he told me that he had been down to see Whedon. Can't tell when it
 was. Did not talk to him every time saw him about Jennie Cramer's death. It was on
 Wednesday or Thursday that Persch told me that he was going to see the Malleys.
 Didn't you tell the jur, 8 little while ago that at your second interview with Persch he told you that he was going to see the Nal leys? MT. Jones asked. ..ef
 Said the witness-I think said either the second or third time think now that it was at the third time; at the second time he told me that he was going down to see Whedon about the case; did not know what he meant ard did not ask him as l was not very well acquainted with him; when he said that he was going down to see the Malleys he said he was going to see if he couldn't get some money didn't think that he said he was going down to see Whedon to see if he couldn't get some money; it was at the third interview that I made up my mind not to have anything to do with him, as I feared it wou1d get me into trouble: I didn't know how