Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1882-04-07
THE MOOSE TIGHTENING.

LIE NUUOE IlUHIENlNU,
Shipherd Pushed Hard by the Committee
Olive Knave Rope Enough and He'll
Hang Himself-Rics as q Cross Exam
liner -Hurlbut Inculpated.
WARRINGTON, April 6.-Shlpherd's examir.
alton was renewed this afternoon. The wit
ness after explaining that the Peruvian com
pany held it's claim through natural son Of
Mr.. Cochet, states that The correspondence
with Hurlbut was begun by letter writing by
him (Shipherd), Mays
The witness was questioned in regard to HE
interview with Hurlbut on May 80, as detail.
ed by him (Shipherd), at former hearing,
and said: 81 think l can give Hurlbut's
exact language. In speaking Of our claim he
slapped his hands upon his knees with some
emphasis and said, Mr.. Shipherd, l need not
come all the way down here from Washing
ton to assure you how infinitely our govern
ment would prefer to settle all this matter
through the opportunity your company Of
fers.'"
The witness was closely pressed with ques-
tions with view to extracting something
definite relative to the encouragement of any
that Hurlbut did not speak of the president or
secretary of state, but in an embassadOrial
way used the expression "the government"
which led him (Shipherd) to believe he (Hurl-
butl spoke by authority. The only evidence
the witness had that the president ever saw
any papers or knew anything about the bust.
ness of the Peruvian company was the letter
helShipherd) received from j. Stanley Brown,
the president's secretary, stating ''your letter
ic I'd and rofa To hn of de- n.
ment."
Witness admitted he would not have ap-
preached Hurlbut had he believed him to
have been man of probity and above taking
a bribe, and yet insisted he (Shipherd was not
guilty of any wrong intentions in making the
offer. Hurlbut never acknowledged the re-
ceipt of the letter in which the offer of stock
was made to him and never again called to see
him (shipherd). Hurlbut was on his way to
his home in Illinois when he had the inter-
view in New York and he told the witness he
would call upon him again upon his return,
but he did not. Shipherd added:
81 supposed Hurlbut did not call upon me
because he was in thepay of the Credit Indus
trial, and was paid not to call. That was my
supposition. We never got him to do any
thing for us, and for the reason l have given.
So far as he being corruptly influenced in our
favor is concerned, 1t would be just as we'll to
drop the subject right here. He was never in
terested in our favor to my knowledge"
Rice-Then We will pass to Blaine. Your
correspondence or negotiations with him were
opened by yourself, were they not?
Answer-My first interview with Blaine was
suggested by Senator Blair, my counsel, and
took place July Is.
Rice-Your interview with Hurlbut, in
which he told you the government thought
your claim perfectly good one and led you
to expect tie aid of the government took
place May 80, aud your interview with the
secretary occurred July 25, two months after
wards. Was there no correspondence be-
tween yourself and the executive meantime?
Answer-No, sir
Rice-Then SO far as the government was
concerned this important matter had sum-
bered during all this time?
Answer Hesitatingly)-So far as the gov
ment was concerned, yes sir.
Rice-In this interview with the secretary
was any suggestion made that he or his
friends should become interested pecuniarily
in your company or their claim?
Answer-No, sir; for the reason that it
never occurred to me to approach Blaine or
any other official with the exception of Hurl-
but, aud then only to stop him from working
against us.
Rice-Did you not know that if you made
such proposition to the secretary that you
would be at once shown to the door?
Shipherd turning very red in the FACET
see no reason why any member of this CON-
mittee should put such a question to me.
think the implication conveyed has gone too
far.
Rice-Neyer mind that. The committee are
judges of that. II you expected to derive any
benefit from securing Hurlbut's aid nom
interference did you not know that Blaine was
his superior and could be of far greater as
sistance to you?
Answer-It never occurred to me 10 make
any proposition to Blaine. ] did state to him
what 7 had written to Hurlbut. At the open
ing OF our interview l recapitulated every
thing had done in my negotiations with any
officer of the state department. No exceptions
were taken by the secretary. He simply
nodded his head atfirmatively and told me to
60 on.
Rice-YOu say you approached Hurlbut be-
cause you deemed him purchaseable, and that
you would not have approached any man You
thought to be of probity and above being
bribed, and yet you did not hesitate to mention
before Secretary Blaine and Senator Blair that
you made such proposition to Hurlbuts
shipherd (evasively)- As said before, l re-
capitulated all that had occurred Some re.
mark was made jokingly to the effect that that
would not catch him.
Rice-Did you state to Blaine what Hurlbut
had said to you in New York two months pre-
vious, that the government was perfectly
satisfied OF the validity of your claim?
Answer-No. sir; 1 did not.
Rice-And yet you say that Blaine raised
several objections to the legality of your
claim, doubted the validity of the transfer Of
Cochet's claim in action, as between two na-
tionalities, and remarked to you: "You, an
American, have purchased the claim OF
n Ercp and
here and ask the United States TO enforce it@''
Did it not occur to you that there was con-
siderable discrepancy between the position of
the secretary and WHAT Hurlbut had
said to you, and did it not occur to you to
ask him why Hurlbut had made such state
ments?
Answer My mind rarely works in that
way. was prepared to meet questions af-
Tentatively as to the merits of our claim.
Rice-Did the secretary ever do anything
more than to give notice which you requested
him to give Chill and Peru, of the fact OF the
assertion of an American title to the guiana?
Answer-Yes, sir; he did.
Rice-WelI, we will reserve that for future
inquiry.
ShipheId then gave long statement reia-
tive to what the secretary SAID to him about
the French company, who claimed the title to
the guano, and added: He said to mo, laugh
ing, "Now will give you q suggestion for
nothing. This French company has plety OF
cash, and you have what they want-an
American title. Why don't you join inter-
ests?n
After a few incidents touching this inter-
view, which, however, ELECTED nothing of i'm
portance, the committee adjourned.
CHURCH CONFLAGR aTION.