Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1882-04-14
APPROACHING THE END.

ChA0 6hpAcIu Ildb L AOOty IVohIly 4uIhcO
Himself Inside Out for the Edification OF
the Committee-The Name of Newspa.
per Publisher Brought In-Why Blaine
Changed His Policy Toward the Peru.
Wan Company.
WASHINGTON, April 13.-Shipherd's exam.
ination was resumed this morning, and Bel
mont announced that he would not now press
the question which Shipherd refused to an.
swer in regard to the Peruvian company
Witness said he and Senator Blair may moi
have had reason to be satisfied with Blaine'a
instructions to Hurlbut, but their impression
was that they had. Witness was asked to
what extent the matter of the offer of $3.50, 00C
which he made to Hurlbut was discussed in
the presence of the secretary, and replied:
At the interview of October 10, some refer.
ence was made to my letter of June 90, and
mention was made of the proposition that had
been made to Hurlbut by the Credit Industrial
and Senator Blair remarked, "Why, Hurlbut
had rather have $4,000 in hand
than your offer of $250,00O
in stock that he would have to pay for"
Some one made the suggestion that $4,000
in cash might have been offered by the Credit
Industrial and this led to the repetition and
text of my letter. In fact the secretary him.
He listened attentively and quoting the
phrase $50 far as it may be proper" he (the
secretary said, THAT is a sort of a spigot."
Then, laughing, he added: swell, that won't
make much of an impression on Steve"
The witness admitted that the secretary al
ways spoke with great dignity, as became his
high office; that he never committed himself
inswords. When he (shipherd) came away and
thought over seriously the drift of his sever
al interviews, he was always profoundly i'm
pressed with the belief that the secretary was
asked in regard to the autograph approval
by General Grant of the draft of the despatch
which he (shipherd) prepared and expected to
ask the secretary to send Hurlbut, and re
piled he would produce it if required by the
committee; it was, however, among his pa
pers in New York and he could not produce
it without going to New York in person.
The matter was laid over for the present.
Belmont-You speak in one Of your letters
of an interview with the president, which was
brought about through letter OF introduce
ton which Gen. Grant gave you. Have you
copy of that letter of introduction?
Answer have.
Witness questioned the propriety of pro-
ducing it, but would, however, do so as soon
as he could obtain it.
Belmont then propounded several questions
with view to discovering who were the
parties interested in the Peruvian company
that he (shipherd) had alluded to as "friends of
Gen. Grant and of the executive"
said: "My opinion is at that time
there were gentlemen interested with
us who were personal friends of the Garfield
administration and there were Others who
were friends of Gen. Grant and President Ar
thur. Witness declined to state who the per.
sons were. Witness was asked then, will
you produce the list of stockholders of the
Peruvian company"
Answer-"No sir, under no circumstances.
Witness declared that Blaine was not aware
who these parties were and that he simply
discussed the claim upon its merits. Senator
never had a complete list of the stockholders.
Witness made long statement which was
mainly a recital of his (Shipherd's) impression
from what was said or not said at his inter-
view with the secretary of state, the aggre-
gate result of which was to assure him (Ship-
herd) that the secretary was in sympathy with
the Peruvian company. Abiding to the con-
versation in which reference was made to the
dispatches and witness bad expressed the
opinion that they might be worded differently,
Shipherd detailed at some length the remarks
of the secretary to the effect that good dis
patch did not depend so much upon the body
of the dispatch sometime as it did to the mar
ginal reading; that dispatches when publish
ed would read one way when in reality they
might mean to the diplomat just the reverse.
Witness ontinued-Some time afterwards
when relating the conversation TO friend, he
said: "Did the secretary say that" l re-
piled that he did and he then exclaimed, "Well
then we have got him." for saw and held in
my hands a dispatch to Hurlbut upon the
margin of which was pencilled go in Steve. :"
Witness continued-My explanation of the
secretary's change of attitude is, that about
December he became convinced that he could
no longer remain in the cabinet,
and fearing that what had passed
between him and Senator Blair and myself
would become public he made up his mind to
finish with me beforehand and put upon
record in the state department letter which
would indicate that be always knew l (Ship-
herd) Was a fraud, and that the Peruvian COM
pany was bubble and a swindle, and there
fore, added the witness with much feeling, l
regard that letter of December just as delib-
crate an attempt to assassinate a man g
character and destroy great interest as ever
was known in history.
Belmont-Who was the friend of yours who
saw the marginal note, Ego in Steve"
Answer-It was William Henry Hurlbut,
editor of the New York World.
In answer to a question witness said:
Nothing ever came to me that suggested
even that the secretary expected to use this
claim personally, or in any conceivable way to
nromofe his Dersonal or Decuniary interests -