New-York tribune., 1882-04-21
PRICE FOUR CENTS.
THE PERUVIAN COMPANY.

| 1NDUSTRIEL-WHY GENERAL HUHIBUr DID NOT
IMMEDIATELY REBEL sHTPHERDs ATTEMPT AT
BRIBERY.
WASHINGTON, April 2O-The House Com
mittee Foreign Affairs had before II a witness this
morning. In the ChiliPeruvian investigation, william
| Henry IIurlbert, Editor OF The Eew- York World,
brother OF the late Minister TO Peru. Although he
summoned In order testify only to the converse
ton which he had had IN the middle Of December with
Jacob r. Shpherd the dispatch with the marginal
note "Go 1t, stephen" he touched upon other points
The examination was begun by the chairman. In reply
questions witness said that he had Shipherd
once The clerk then read shipherds testimony In re
gard to the interview and the witness asked TO 1ye
| his version Of II.
The winess-The whole narrative OF the conversation
with absolutely and profoundly misreprescnts the
| facts OF the interview. In the course OF the
interview shipherd complained very bitterly Of Mr.
! Blaine. He seemed to think that Mr. Blaine
had treated him very badly, and had deceived him. He
gave long narrative OF his relations with Mr Blaine
and said to substantially good many OF the things
which he has stated before this committee IN reference
| to his relations with Mr. Blaine. He then mentioned
the -inaccurately he did herein regard TO the
marginal note written official order TO the British
| Admiral The whole thing was evidently mixed up In
| his mind He had rather dramatic way OF teingit,
II struck me because had heard alldsi0n coming
Blaine to that very phrase Of" Go it Ned, in
the old Darlington legend so that instantaneousy
| mentioned it, said: THAT sounds probable enough
because have heard OF Mr.. Baine's using that very
phrase in regard the margin Of dispatch" That Is
the sum and substance OF what said 10 him In that con-
nection never gave him the fsintes germ OF reason
To suppose that | had seen such thing myself
much less that ever had such dispatch In my posses
sion The committee will perceive at the mpossi-
bity OF this when il considers that IN order 10 nave
such a dispatch. must have got 1t either from my
brother n which certainly should not have COM
municated it to person like shpherd) or from Mr.
| .ara mi fClfAd
it to anybody, to this honorable committee; so
that the story absolute and profound msrepre-
sentaton That is all have to say about IT,
Mr. Kasson-Your remark to Mr.. shipherd was In the
same line OF historical incidents
The witness-Ie referring, ev denty. TO the same
old story-the Cadrngton story. The marginal note
story had been related by the Peruvian Minister,
who was deeply in the course OF this Govern
| ment toward Peru He mentioned to me las under
stood that in cOnyersing with the Secretary OF state
about the course the American Government in regard
| 10 Peru he expressed some dissatisfaction at ap'
parent failure on part Of the Department OF state TO
do certain things in regard 10 the situation on IL west
coast which the Peruvian Minister had supposed that
the State Department Through Mr.. Biaines per-
| sonal communication OF his views to him) would do
The impression which gathered and which carried IN
| my mind loosely when | vas taking TO tns person ps
nieanng shipherd), that MI Blaine had sen. ,hat
dispatch TO tho American Minister q, Lbh ma a. alu " i ,h
interest of and in sympathy WIN feru shOuu pv uoie
which he cOuld not consttutlonaly nave put n,o tne
Dispatch in consequence OF the then SITUATION oi INC
| Government. .,,....
in your mind and that had been related 10 you oy
the Peruvian Minister In general cohVSrsaLuon A.;
exact about il have since To Washington seen
the Peruvian Minister and asked him II he % could reeo
ect tho date OF that In erview between himself and Mr.
Blame and anything that occurred about H. HIS lu-
preston is that the interview took place 10 ,s week
when the President removed to Long Branch He
said that he certainly did intend To- convey TO me tho
idea that Mr. Blaine had told him That he had maze sncn
| 0iu iua... ofit thf
O~So tLat The sfs oft is that Mr. sipherd's state
Tssf' as having
marginal n9ie on dispatc%h % crs,sy e at.
had said to the Peruvian Minister that be would send
such dispatch under certain conditions 81 tnat ne nsd
anv statement NY general impression would have
been undoubtedly that he had sent It, -. ,,o,.,
O-What were your relations 10 Mr.. Blalnef A
They were personally friendly sag him several times
Peru and its relations to my brother VINO was there as
Minister. .,.. ,,o,,or, q
w unIeTtanJ1G Of the policy OF General GARFIELD was
~ continue" and 70 give sodity aud effect to- the policy
begun under Evarts which came to grief IN the con-
fereuces Of Arics bringing about That i peace on me
west coast south America, without he disnemoer-
ment and spouaton Of Peruvian territory. ~ ,o,,,.-
Old Mr. Blaine convince yon that he was carrying
out that policy Of President Ga.hemi - , "n a
vince me because failed 10 convince nc ne aneu 70
convince me should say , df ns wavs and methods lie
always very charming ana daaJ'r ,i; b nuc nc d a
fecied a Kind Of engaging po c' lir'' uucn inoro
Interested in making engagements than IN committing
Sso that this incident did not appear unnatural
AtNo; cannot say that it did . -.
% Did you see and converse With Mr. Blaine between
Ie @ receTrd and the 22d Of November OF his
next dispatch General Hurlbut Al did more tnan
he give any reason on to s%pp"se s M na, daras
that interval ne disapproyed the course oi Tue s'er
AT Perul A.-Not the slightest
Mr BelmontITho irsi disapprova Of the Lynch mem
orandun in the dispatch dated Npvem3er -, lsol:
Have YOU had any intnatou nom General huflDat as
to the eftct OF Mr. Baincs Dispatch OF .p'.mner T.,
Which he alluded to II. In dated Lima, December
90 no said Chian papers are full OF that nier
MAJ na wib Rlne and Garfield OF course will hot appear
in any official correspondence hut u ~astne ~ nore Iyr
Unless Congress backs the American lne have taAen
mere mere IN G5s Of ED S Of Sovembcr to me there
was n manifest disposition to hedge ,,..,
IN ffhc Mi1isieri A-0nly what the Minister himself
fold me of them before leaving for Peru iie SAID tbas
their tenor was substantially that he had elastic powers
~ carr ot and gve eject to the policy. 10 which have
already referred as b gun under Mr. E'ar
The wituess then xfalned WHAT hc uhues'ooi ~ 10
the plan OF the Credit lndustr1ei
MR. BLAINE AND THE CREDIT INDUSTRIEL
o-ave you any knowledge OF any personal relations
between the secretary of State and any agent OF the
Credit ndustriei
The witness-By personal relations" do you mean
personal acquaintance and discussoni
Mr. BelmoDt-YeB.
The witnessI know that one gentleman Who T. be,
lieye the american SGnnSe od Tue SFe @ @ aa aa
converscd with him Oh the subject.
O-WhO was that counself A.-RObert E Randall
0-Did you gather from that gentleman that MI
Blaine approved the plan OF the Credit ndastreli A..
In general terms should say that | did.
Odd Won understand that MIR. Blame thought that
the plan Of the Credit Industre was to 9oNlae the ne
cessty OF any cecs.on OF territory by Peut ads:
tmcty. .,
show that Mr. Blaine approved OF that part OF the pro-
cran,me OF the Credit Indusrieli Ayes; remember
one uterestipg incident in connection with It, | reco-
lect an incident which made considerable impression
on my mind consequence OF the ennence OF the per
son whose name used IN connection WIN IL, as nav
inc expresaed very strong OpuiOn against me cesslOn
Of territory by Peru being made precedent CONDITION
OF negotiations. ,r,. ,-,,.x
n-stntc Mnat was that incident. A--Tho Inoident