Knoxville daily chronicle. [volume] (Knoxville, Tenn.) 1870-1882, 1882-01-17

SHOW GudL the mdAliuun "nAeh ohAy
member believed it would cost was
$3O,OO0.O00, while S19,000,000 or
500, O,OO0,0 600 were the highest figures
mentioned in the Senate. He asked
whether the Senate did not believe
fraud was committed when he, as
one member, was induced to
vote upon the measure upon the
belief which subsequent develop
ments had shown to be entirely un
warranted. He assumed that no
member imagined that t lie results OF
that legislation would be what they
are, and that, if it had been intimated,
what is now stated by the Commits
sioner of Pensions to be a fact, that
10 per cent. of the total 6 the
arrears would be paid out in
fraudulent claims, not vote
would have been given for the bill
He reminded the Senators that when
the bill came from the House to the
Senate, the latter was flooded with
petitions with printed headings, and
purporting to come from various
parts of the country. These, he
asserted, were gotten up by pension
agents in Washington, and by them
circulated through the country for
signatures, in order to create pres
sure upon the Senate.
Senator Ingalls, inquired for Sena-
tor Beck's authority for the state.-
ment he had just made.
Senator Beck replied by reeding
from the report of the commission
ers of pensions in 1876, showing the
existence and operations of the pens
sion agent bureaus. He added that
the adoption of the resolution would
be equivalent to telling the House it
might as well cease to consider all
notifications of the law, as the Sen
ate had committed itself against
them.
Senator Beck reiterated that Con
gress was deceived by scheme con-
cocted by interested outsiders, and
asked Senator ingalls, if he did not
believe when he voted for it, that the
act would not involve an aggregate
expenditure of over $19,000,000 OF
at the utmost $30,000,000.
Senator Ingalls, replied that such
statement was imputed to him, but he
had never made any such statement.
What he did say was, that if those
already upon, the roll who had been
deprived of pensions to which they
had been entitled were given
arrears they had earned up to the
time of the passage of the bill, it
would amount to about $19, ,000,0 900,
and that if the previously existing
limitations were removed, no definite
statement of the total cost could be
made, as the number of future
applications could not be foreseen.
Senator Beck said he had never
disputed the principle of bill that
would give all our soldiers who
fought on the same field the same
pension.
Senator Ingalls, That is all that
GHo urfeaTdS0 law uOeS.
Senator Beck: But I would not
allow law to stand which afforded
means for committing frauds.
Senator Beck asked whether q
single Senator who voted for it, be
leived the law would cost one-tenth
of what it had cost.
Senator Ingalls-"I would have
voted for it if it had cost 100000, :
900. 1 will to-day vote to allow any
claim of soldier that is established
to run back to the time his disability
was incurred, whether it costs $500
or $1,000,000,000.
Senator Beck again repeated his
question.
Senator Ingalls, replied he did not
at the time know what the arrearages
would cost; but that when measure
was just, he would endorse itregard-
less of what might be the cost, to do
justice.
Senator Beck having asked to be
allowed 20 minutes to morrow morn
ing to complete his remarks, the dis
cussion closed for the present, and
Senator Shermans funding bill was
taken up and laid over for to morrow
Senator Cameron, of Pennsylvania
delivered twenty minutes speech
upon taxation, declaring it inexpe
dent to reduce the revenue by abol
ishing all existing internal revenue
taxes except upon high wines and dis
titled spirits.
The Senate at 3:55 went into ex-
eoutive session, and at 4:05 adjourned
until to morrow.
WASHINGTON, January 16.-Mr. Ro
beson, of New Jersey, immediatel,
after the reading of the journal, called
up, as privileged question, the re-
port from the committee on rulel
submitted by him on Thursday last
A point of order was raised by Mr.
Townsend, of Illinois, and MIR. Bur
rows, of Michigan, said that the cal
of States for bills could not be inter
ferred with.
The Speaker overruled the point o
order, holding that a priviledges
question took precedence of call 0
States.
MIR. Burrows raised the question o
consideration, and the House decidet
not to consider the question of priv
lege at the present time.
Under the call of States the follow
ing bills were introduced and re
ferred:
By Mr.. Wheeler, of Alabama T.
prevent the introduction of Infection
or contagious diseases also, to al,
in the establishment and temporar
support of common schools:
By Mr.. Williams, of Kentucky
For the erection of monument owe
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