Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1882-04-10

letter read yesterday, answered that he had
one other Interview with Walter Blame at the
state department some time in November last,
and Prescott was present part OF the time,
Witness desired to know IL the newspaper
charges submitted by him against Hurlbut
were TO be admitted in evidence, and after gen.
eral discussion the opinion of the committee
was unanimously expressed in opposition to
the admission of campaign matters In the
nature of general attack upon the character
OF Hurlbut.
shipherd said it was due to himself to be
allowed to offer any evidence In his own de-
tense and everything which led him to the
opinion that Hurlbut was purchaseaole man.
A running discussion ensued and finally
Blount moved to exclude this evidence. The
motion was tabled for the present.
Rice resumed with the inquiry "Have you
apy other correspondence with Secretary of
State Blaine which has not been prinsed?"
Answer have none with the exception Of
one letter, December 10, 1881, addressed to
Gov. Boutwell, and intended to be shown to
the secretary of state, whoever 1t might be-,
whether Blaine or Frelinghuysen. The letter
was then put in evidence and read by the
clerk. II was quite long and defended the
writer (Shipherd) from the secretary's charges
against him of attempting to bride Minister
Hurlbut.
Inc witness then went back to the dis
patches which he (shipherd) had supposed
were sent by Secretary Blaine to Hurlbut.
These dispatches, witness stated. were read to
Senator Blair by Blaine June ID, and subSe-
Uuently Senator Blair remakedto him (Ship.
herdl that s'if you had written the dispatches
yourself they could not have covered the
ground more perfectly, particularly the cable
dispatches.
and asked him If the dispatches had been sent,
and was assured that they had been, and
arain few DAYS afterward Senator Blair said
to witness: az have seen the secretary and he
says the dispatches were sent without an al
toration of any kind. on the same day they
were read to me, June 2d.
When witness received Hurlbut's letter
stating that no such dispatches had been re-
ueived. he was much disturbed and at once
sought Senator Blair TO find out what 1T
meant. The senator was greatly puzzled end
said: "Nr. Shipherd, this affects my verdc1ty
and that of the secretary. l will make IL my
business to investigate"
Witness continued: Finally Senator Blair
advised me to come to Washington, bring my
letters andscorrespondence and lay the mat
fer before the secretary, and in that way we
should get at the bottom of 1t. Witness
therefore came to Washington and held his
frst interview with the secretary on the even
ing of Oct. Is.
Witness then detailed what occurred at this
interview, prefacing it with the remark that
pessibly he might in some way overrun what
was said or done at one interview into another.
He said the secretary appeared little Impa-
tient, sud as he (Shipherd) thought, seemed to
anticipate the object of his visit. Witness
showed him Hurlbut's letter. He took 1t,
read it, threw it down and said, What Is the
matter with the letter. Wines Wltness
replied Ar wb, Secretary does 'i''u not
say, rather than by what it does say. 1t dis
cusses Peru and her affairs, but says nothing
of American interests" / then adverted TO
Hnrlbut's singular conduct in Withholding
the papers he had been requested to deliver to
Mr.. Arizona. Blame retorted sharply what
business had you to make an errand boy OF an
right II he had thrown all your pspers into
the fire.
INcULpATING HURLBUT.
Witness then told Blaine what was reported
of Hurlbut's intimacy with Suraez - that they
had gone out on the steamer, and on arriving
a. Lima. Suarez had placed at Hurlbut's dis
nosal one of the finest residences In Lima,
With wine eeller exceptionally well stocked,
and that Hurlbut was occupying IL free OF
expense to himself, and 1t all had been
furnished by the Credit Industrial.
Blaine laughed incredulously and SAID:
"Oh; they don't catch Steve IN that way. II
he lives in fine house he pays rent for 1t. "
Witness then said further: "Well, Mr.. Sec
retary. their intimacy is Il matter OF public
comment In Lima They are always together,
Suarez is virtually an inmate OF the American
legation"
phasis: "If all this be true he must have
sold out to the Credit Industrial. l will 60
10 the bottom of this" Then, after mo
ment, turning to the witness, he said: What
do Won want me to do?'' Witness handed
him draft of a dispatch and said: "Send
that to Hurlbut:" Blaiu replied mo, not
that; It would raise howl In congress-"
He (Blaine) then wrote, resting on the arms
of his chair, dispatch IN substance as fol
lows: 1.-THE report reaches the state depart
ment that your conduct is such as to lead tc
suspicion of improper relations with ths
Credit Industrial. You must stop it."
Witness continued: l heard afterwards
through Senator Blair that dispatch wal
sent, but the dispatch which 1t appears, from
the correspondence furnished by the state de
nsrtment, that was sent was very differen
from this dispatch which the secretary wrote
In my presence and read to me.
Witness further detailed what occurred
The interview November s. At this interview
Mr.. Glley, a gentleman thoroughly familia
with the affairs OF Peru and Chill was present
witness was Struck Oy Quo ictnai . "a oiaioe 8
The secretary drew his chair close up to wit
ness, and stopping him familiary said: ID
Won know, Shipherd, you have somethln.
they haven't all got; that is patience, sir. NOV
I will give some more advice for nothing. Vol
have only got to be patient and you will VII
vour whole deal. Be patient and you vii
see Martinez drop into your lap like an apple
Every time the Gillian minister comes to tn
deoartrent notice that his seat is hotter an
hotter. and 1t is the Peruvian company that
disturbing him." and this, said the witness
WAS only thirty days previous to his sendini
to me his letter of December s, in which b
eYnressed SO much indignation. Witness wa
also impressed by another occurrence at thi
interview. The subject ola possible Amerl
can protectorate over Peru was mentioned
onJ mi ey was asked what he thought of II
Te renlied that the Peruvians would hail
With The liveliest satisfaction. At this Blain
With much earrestness said: "Shipherd, can
Won get Calderon to send up deputation?
he should send three of his men, backed u
with strong endorsements Of the sentiments
NJ the leading men of Peru, it would well
worth while. Congress could then learn froI
them the true sentiments OF the people
Peru"
BLAINE BELIEVES HURLBUT.
Referring to the dispatch Blaine had sent
Uurlbnt relative to his supposed connectio
With the Credit Industrial, Shipherd said thu
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