Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1882-07-21

peared The interview occurred at No. east 27tll
| He did not think he had procured them to come
| there. Witness thought some OF the newspaper
correspondents here had suggested IL to the
Herald. Witness had expressed a Willingness tc
| be interviewed He had expressed this willing
ness 10 Gen. Boynton. and perhaps TO Mr. Root, OF
larly. The interview published in the Times was
taken at No. east 9Th street, a gentleman named
Sweeny taking the interview. Witness was the
grand jury. Witness being unable to state
| at once what day he Mad gone to New
made soe remark upSn Nj:
memory, which had retained the points OF an I'm.
tervlew held long time ago so well, and could
not remember such q recent occurrence. The wit
ness, referring to newspaper said that he arrived
in New York on the 18th OF July. The interview
ment for the Herald interview with Gen. BOynton
| here, who appointed the hour when he should
| meet the reporter in New York. Witness did not
think he liked the time for the Times interview.
witness had read the interview IN the Herald. He
Gid not think the stenOgrapher was accurate.
| he was out OF practice. Witness did not think he
could state all the points where IL inaccurate
lrom recollection. IL was inaccurate I'm the part
| transferred 10 Senator Kellogg by draft. 1t had
said SIS postal drafts, whereas IL should have
stated $4,000 In postal drafts and $500 in note
OBJECTION BEING MADE
TO the course OF cross-examination, Mr.. Wilson
said he did not question the inaccuracy OF the in
terview, but the utter untruthfulness OF it.
After some argument, Judge Wylfe having
Gneckea tnG M MI wilson IN the questions he was ask.
upon MI: Wilson's remarks as to the untruthful-
| ness OF the Interview"
we understand that" said the court
!" am ready to sustain every word OF it." said
Mr. Merrick. 81 have the Documents
WAISTS BUSINESS ENTERPRrzEs.
The crOSs-examination OF the witness was then
resumed. He was born in New Orleans, he said,
and would be 81 years old on the 23d of November.
had lived greater part of his life In New Orleans
he then desert ped the various business enter
prizes he had been engaged In since
the war;, he having been engaged at
various times as business agent produce
The witness said that he had never been in
terested in more than one distillery; he knew q
man named Creecy in this city, whom he first met
| in New Orleans, when Creecy was an internal
revenue officer. Witness did know man named
Nimrod johnson. Having asked If he did not 60
20 Creecy TO 1nterrogate him about a man named
Nlmrod johnson, for whom Creecy was searching,
the witness said: "Most positively, no, sir"
you and Mr.. Nlmrod johnson were one and the
same 1ndividual?"
"No, Sir" said Mr.. Walsh very emphatically.
''it did not, and the record does not show it,
WITNESS FIRST MET BRADY
IN 1876, when Brady was supervisor OF internal
| revenue. Brady took action against witness for
failure to produce his books as a distiller Brady
admitted that it was hardship. The law as re-
garded in New Orleans was more honorable in the
breach than in the observance. The witness was
indicted
A., How many indictments against you?" asked
Mr.. Wilson.
"None," said Mr. Walsh.
"NOne?" asked Mr. Wilson.
"There are nOne,n said Mr.. Walsh, emphasizing
| The verb: and then he added ''there were three"
WITNESS BUSINESS IN WASHINGTON.
After leaving New Orleans witness came here.
In reply to Mr.. Wilson's questions, he desert bed
hnvn lnfnr hvr1-n Il
banker. Witness did not keep bank OF deposit
He kept clerk, who kept the ordinary books.
witness Kept sort or account himself.
"Didn Z you tell the grand jury the other day, d
said Mr.. Wilson, "that you kept book?"
"Wait moment" INTERRUPTED Mr.. Merrick.
How do you know what he told the grand Jury?'
The court said the question could not be asked,
and observed that it was perhaps a random shot
ut was not" began Mr.: Wilson.
"a Shot at random" said Mr.. Merrick, finishing
the sentence. 81 think the question shows that
there is a lead somewhere"
Witness said that he had looked for the book to
produce before the grand jury, but was unable to
IND it, because his safe was sold and his papers
scattered.
LOAN TO MDoNoUGH
Witness said he had loaned $4,000 to MacDon-
ough, star route contractor, and had the amount
as represented by notes. The witness was asked
If he, as sub-contractor under MacDonough, had
not failed to such an extent that for the quarter
ending March 81, 1879, sh ,96465 was deducted
from his pay. The witness insisted that the con-
fines were remitted to him. The witness having
been asked II, In consequence OF the manner he
performed the service, MacDonough had not been
declared falling contractor the witness said that
he thought that it was because of a vigorous pro-
test made ty Jerome J. Kinds that a failure was
declared on that route. There was not a failure,
the witness said, in the proper sense Of the term,
on his part Deductions occurred to contractors
of the best standing, whose service is unques-
TONED. Witness had performed the service fairly
well, and did not think the department was moved
to declare MacDonough a falling contractor on
account OF any defect OF service on witness part
OBJECT OF THE CRoss-ExAMINATIoN.
After some argument between counsel Mr.. Mer-
rick asked Mr.. Wilson what he proposed to show
by the cross-examination.
Mr.. Wilson said he was not bound to show to the
government what he proposed to show by cross
examination.
The court required Mr. Wilson to state what his
motive was, and Mr. Wilson said he proposed to
show just such statement OF affairs as to show 1t
absolutely improbable that Mr.. Brady would make
TO witness such statement as the witness had
Mr.. Wilson then cross-examined the witness as
10 his experiences as a star route contractor to
the witness Witness had no arrangement with
Brady at the time his contract was expedited. He
had an ntefyew with Brady but Brady gave wit
ness testimony before the congressional commit
tee this point, to the effect that Brady said he
had no suggestions to offer, and the witness said
The witness said he had made no statement
70 WOODWARD. he haQ q conversation with A n.
Gibson, who, without witness knowledge, had
committed 1t to paper and given it to Mr.. Bliss OF
counsel for the government, who now had it Wit
ness had made an ahdavit, for the purpose OF get
ting remission OF fines and penalties, in June
1881. Mr. Wilson handed the witness a paper the
signature Of which he identified as his own The
first loan witness made to Brady was made some
time In the latter part OF '1S, and the loan was
about s. .000
At 1915 O'Clock the usual recess was taken-ear-
ller than usual on account OF the Illness OF Juror
Tur rnAN IN many
After recess the crosS-examination OF Walsh
was continued by Mr. Wilson. The first loan made
to Brady, he said, was repaid in q few days The
second loan was made about thirty days after
wards, and its amount was $500, which was re-
paid. The next sum the witness remembered
loaning Brady was $4,000, some time In July. 1879
Prior to that he had made an advance OF 5000 on
Brady's one-half interest in the Peterson draft
on route 81, ,162 These transactions were In cash,
and not In checks.
Mr. Wilson having asked why he did not give
check the witness said: sit was because aI that
time the General expressed q desire not to have
any checks OF mine for reasons that were obvious.
My contract was at that time in force note
was given for the $12, 600 with the understanding
that it should not be discounted The next loan
amounted to $4,000, and was made in January,
1880 Part OF It was paid TO Brady and part OF It
to A. c: Buell. The next loan was SO 500. madeto