The Hawaiian gazette. [volume] (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1865-1918, 1882-03-29

l Capt. W. Forsyth Grant proposed that the
sliding scale system be adopted as IN the case OF
many large joint stock companies, IN preference
I to corPOrated company. .
A lively argument ensued as to whether It would
be judicious not to accept the Charter that hau
been offered TO them The Charter called tor
% 900 shares of - each.
Mr. widemann spoke strongly in favor of the
Charter. He proposed signing u. de was the
oldest planter in the meeting. Ii was y years
since he commenced the first modern plantation
on these Islands. Hitherto everybody had pad
died bis own canoe" and the consequence was that
they had ultimately padded themselves here. He
hoped every one would sign the subscription list
before leaving the room.
Mr. r Maker explained at some length his
reasons for Directing to chartered corporation,
not that he had any doubt III the integrity oil those
gentlemen who would hold the control of the
management.
Mr. H II Whitney considered this the most
interesting and most veXatiOus question they mad
to deal with. Fhey had heard Mr.. Armstrong and
had learnt from him that the Government IS will
ing 10 push forward with more energy and deiber-
alton. Il seemed TO him that this company FUR
nished the most sensible and practicable means OF
pushing them. therefore, he thought that every
society. The officers Of it are distinct from the
officers of the association They would help one
another bat are still separate and distinct
Mr.. w. O. Smith said that large companies all
over the world are Incorporated instead of remain
ing in copartnership, that they act in unity
He hoped no one would be misled by the favorable
looking reports of the Minister of the Interior.
Everything might be reversed by news TO arrive
by next mail
Mr.. A. S. Hartwell clearly explained the legal
points of an incorporated body in this country.
Mr.. Armstrong pointed out that what the Gov
eminent will do depends entirely on the coming
Legislature.
MIR. J. Austin advocated the project before them
for the sake of progress He would therefore pro-
pose that the Chairman request those gentlemen
who have not put down their names as subscribers
10 no 1b
that they now do
Mr.. Hartwell said that the utmost penalty
shareholder can incur is the forfeiture of the
amount of share paid up.
Mr.. Austin's motion was carried. The meeting
adjourned at p. NJ.
On Thursday the I'D inst, meeting Of the
Planters Labor and Supply Company was con
vened. 1t lasted throughout the day. The requi-
site number of shares was ultimately subscribed
for and the company was duly formed.
FRIDAY, March 9th, lss2.
The minutes Of Wednesday meeting were read
and confirmed.
There were 40 members of the association pre-
sent.
Mr.. W. G. Irwin, on behalf of the resident mem
bers of the association, said he was requested to
invite the planters TO luncheon at the British Club
tomorrow. The invitation was accepted.
The Treasurer reported having collected Sl>O
from the members. and stated that 10 or II had
not vet paid. He had bill OF Si-.5O for printing
from the Z. C. +. and asked for instructions
regarding it.
Nr. adams enumerated the various expenses
that had been incurred and instructed the Treas
TO pay the same.
Mr. j. NJ. Alexander said. be thought he express
ed the sentiments OF all, when he said, that some
embarrassment might arise in having two societies
devoted TO the one object. il seemed likely 20 be
parp5xiug. He would therefore move
That We as the Planters Association. dl5band,
and that the Treasurer be authorized to pay al
the expenses that had been incurred, and recon-
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the committees appointed by the association.
Mr.. r. u. Walker asked when an opportunity
would offer 20 discuss the reports
The Chairman said the motion TO dlsband the
association Was before the meeting.
Mr.. T.. j. Adams said. 70 seemed TO De uuElsa TO
disband this association. lie had pride on this
association as 1t was the first that had been form
ed in Honolulu .or twenty-five years. 1t was
organized for q specific purpose. They Were all
interested in il and there was no reason why lt
should not 60 on indefinitely and successfully.
Mr. T. 4. Burcharlt said there were men who
had practical knowledge in The manufacture of
sugar. such as managers and sugar boilers, and
who still had no interest an sugar, who might be
admitted to this association and who were not
stockholders in the Labor and Supply Committee.
These men had 10 interests IN plantations beyond
drawing their salaries, and II might be % good
thing to open the doors to them.
Mr.. p. G. Jones. ir. quite agreed with MI ADAMS
and would. at least like TO try the association
until next October. Il would relieve him. as Cor
responding Secretary Of many duties and much
labor He would prefer 70 see the trial made.
Mr.. 5. b. Dole said the object of the association
had been accomplished. Mr.. Adams wanted to
run il for its glory. He had no doubt, II both
institutions were continued that little confusion
would come up. BY remaining as they were, they
would be tying their hands. If dlsbanded he
would recommend that the Labor and Supply
Company take over the committees. He cOnsld-
cred they would be Stronger with one society than
with two.
Mr.. W. 0. Smith said he agreed with Mr.. Dole
fully. The danger plain. This Association
might be in opposition TO the Labor and Supply
Company. They did not want divided interests.
BY acting together in one body, they would be able
to pull together. 1t had been suggested that each
member of the Association pay 50 for current ex-
panses. Ii might not be pleasant or agreeable for
every one do in addition to the stock they had
subscribed for. Every planter. even if Of only
acres. could be a member Of the Labor and Supply
Company. There danger in having two sep
arate institutions. He would have more faith IN
the one that was fixed on the best basis
Mr. Bailey said. that in this Association, each
member had a vote. They were on a business
basis. 1t was entirely matter of opinion. His
prejudices were for continuing this Association.
If they were to have the same privilege in the La
Dor and Supply Company, then let them merge the
two.
DR.. wetmore asked, if the Charter hadIbeen per
fected on Monday last, would there have been two
companies!
Mr. Widemann said, they all knew how difficult
il is to get quorum for any meeting IN Honolulu.
II is unwise to keep two Associations if one could
do. bnt there was something to be said on both
sides. He was of opinion. that the Bylaws they
passed yesterday in the Labor and Supply Com
pany. would not permit Of the free action of this
society. He did not want to put everything on the
Trustees. He wanted TO do something himself.
Consequently, no harm could be done by keeping
up this society until October next. They would
then know what they wanted. He would ask each
one before he left this town TO leave proxy.
Mr. J. NJ. Alexander said rs a Labor and Supply
Company. they could appoint Committees, and
Ia fu
oplv At present their attention was being devoted
in two different directions.
Mr.. Sehaefer said the natural thing would be to
merge the two companies into one. The objections
70 il were merely technical. He could not see how
IL was possible 70 continue the two.
Mr.. L. r. Walker moved as an amendment, that
the Association remain IN sf1tf qny until next DC
tober He said their intelligence was not in pro-
portion to the number of tons of sugar they pro
duced.
Mr. widemann asked Whist would be gained by
abolishing this Association:
Mr.. W. .. Smith-Strength.
Mr. Widemann-I absolutely deny 1t.
Mr.. II. NJ. Whitney said, that before the motion
was put, he had a very important question to put
to the meeting. Would the breaking up of this
Association build up and help our prosperity. He
wanted to see a large number Of planters present
to vote on it.
Mr. Adams said it was now past u O'Clock. and
all the morning they had done nothing. He would
like to see something done before they adjourned.
Mr. Walkers amendment was then put TO the
meeting and carried by majority of three.
The meeting adjourned at l2.l5 until l.3O p. NJ.
On re-assembling, the Chairman saidi had been
intimated TO him. that a motion TO reconsider the
question before the meeting this morning was con-
templated. but it would be scarcely in order as
there were not sufficient representatives Of the As
ISOLATION present.
On the arrival of five or six more members, Mr..
A. w Smith. who had voted in the majority,
moved a reconsideration Of the motion. He ex-
planned his reasons for having changed his opinion.
Mr.. Hartwell said, that if the fourteen OF fifteen
gentlemen who voted in the majority wished TO
form an Association they at liberty to do So.
He urged them. a. an Association not to DO any
thing that would appear 10 be squeching On set
ting down one another.
Captain Grant supported the continuance Of the
Association on account Of the freedom It gave
each member.
Mr.. r. A. Macfe said. there were number Of
I planters from the other Islands who had worked
to forIl this Association, and had now gone home
it would not look well to throw aside their work IN
their absence.
Mr. Dole said. this Association might express an
opinion that might not concur with the Labor and
Supply Company. 1t would be like two Govern
ments IN one country. How troublesome TO have
two sets of meetings at one time. 1t doubles the
trouble and divides the interest.
| Mr. 5. /. Austin said, if there anything of
import nce it was unity. He thought that for the
honor of the planters the two Associations should
/ be merged. This Association had done its work
| and done it nObly, therefore let it now be dis
banded.
Mr.. W. II. Castle compared the present AssOcia-
tinn and the / .abOr and SUNNY COInpauv with the