New-York tribune., 1882-04-19
SHEPHERDS EXAMINATION.
HE Is NOT IN A COMMUNICATIVE MOOD |
WHY lie DESIRED TO SECURE THE ASSISTANCE OF |
WALKER BLAISE-THE SECRETARY OF STATE |

WASHINGTON, April 18.-The examination of
Jacob r. shipherd resumed this morning before the
House Committee Foreign Affairs The chairman said
that william Henry Hurlbert OF NewYork. would be
amined Thursday morning Questions were then asked
Mr. shpherd all OF which he declined to Among
these questions the following:
Are any OF Il gentlemen named I'm your letter OF
Juno g. 1891 to Mr.. Hurbut stockholders in the Peru
vian Company Ia either T.. ID. Morgan, William Il.
Dodge, Hugh McCulloch, Norvn Green, W. X. Garrison
A. Belmont or William fl. Vanderbilt stockholder or
connected with your company r.
Odd you Whitelaw Reid, and did you ever
have any conversation with him this subjects A
] state with pleasure that Mr.. Reid and have been
acquanances, correspondents and, suppose, friends
for over seventeen years.
Q-Then what ia stated in THE NEw-YoRK TRIBUNE
to Mr. Reds not being aware that he had ever seen you
FOR the "awareness" of Mr.. Reid only know that for
seventeen years have been acquaintance, suppose
friends, and certainly correspondents. have he OF
his letters.
Q.-In this list you mention several newspaper, men
besides Mr.. Reid, and among them Joseph Medlll. Is
he q stockholder in your companyf Al decline 10
state.
COche interest, ex-senator Boutwell, Senator Cragn
OF senator Bs, an OF Of iSSse entemen
stockholders i'll the Peruvian Company Al decline
Q~Did any Of thcrn receive any money consideration
or other remuneration Al decline TO state
Q.-Giye the names Of those stockholders whom you
refer TO in your letter to Mr. Hurbut september 2s
1881 as the marked friends OF the new President"
Q-Give the names OF the directors of the Peruvian
Company. Al beg 10 be excused. -, ,,..,o
Q-By whom was the unqualified assurance OF !" ample
Governmental backing" given to your eHmpanyf Al
decline 10 state.
Q-Has your company n direct indirect interest in
the CAIN OF j. G. Landreaui Al decline 10 state;
Q-Are the Cochet aud Landrean claims owned now
by the same claimants 7 Al decline to state
Q-Haye you ever had any conversation or communi-
cation with Mr.. Blaine since his letter OF December .,
lssI Al have not had the pleasure Of meeting Mr.
respondence has passed between u.s.
Trtscott about Inc Peruvian Company Al did.
Q-Sate the conversation Al think It was on NO
velnber IS, the day on which had an interview WIN
President Arthur, somewhere about noon. 1 called at
the state DcpaT,,ment there met met ar Tres @
quarters of hour walker Blaine introducing the
conversation and leading throughout The CONVERSE
tion made particular impression my mind, because
consid red it merely casual and entirely unofficial
discuss the merits OF any particular policy.
sHIPHERD's PURPOSE IN WRITING TO WALKER
BLAINE.
The chairman called the attention OF the witness to
his letter Of August TO Walker Blaine, and asked the
witness what his real purpose in sending
that letter.
The wtness-My interviews with the Secretary Of
State OF July % and 26 made among other impressions
my mind, this impression: That the Secretary OF
state was not lawyer; that nc mad not that mind,
that quality mind uabit OF mind which at the bar
recognize prominently judicial AT the same time
observed that ne was disposed o d seuss the purely le
gal aspects OF this claim lie dld not press eIn D1 nc
showe, disposition to discuss them recognized the
fact that lar our Interests were concerned he sat
substantially as judge We hau not submitted me calh
to him, and yet the time might come when
his opinion upon the claim might be. OF
such urge us, perhaps rapidly, toward
sucn a time. had the feeling OF apprehension as
should nave had ad Decn before court VI JuGhdc
ture, the bench OF which NJ. Blaine sat. SAID 10
myself: This likely to be disposed OF on purely isgs %
this gentleman, sitting as judge, has not the
culture tDat fits him to act Judciany on
the claim" Walker Blaine hal been mentioned
to me as being very cearheaded aud weltrained law
from the legal standpoint IL was further suggested 10
me that tie relations between the Secretary and his son
rs tat by the son would receive specaI
the father The son was there as Inlru A'sstabt
Secretary OF state Associated ustice on the Dencn
IL did not occur to me that there was any mpIopeV ~
calling his attention to the mater ana Interesting hIn II
could, In examining the claim with me IRON the at
Orneys standpOin, with view OF his making sucn sug
gestiOns msnt be entirely proper 10 hls Iater
is frankly from beginning to end The uttermoSt Vi "na'
Q.-Yo9 did not seek Walker Blaine because you
would have an advantage al other attorneys you
might cupOyi Al was not unaware OF the TACT
sOnal | wished TO avail myself OF them III tnelr
tolanty. But aidres ed niin primarily because he
the same time an associate OF the Chiet Justice on
the z;unc Dench lad framing winch would enable
hum TO unGers ana me absolutely.
QWoud you regard IL as exactly proper 10 retain an
Associate Justice the bencn To act an attorney 10
instruct the chef Justice Al cannos understand why
that ever dreamed Of retaining the Illru ASSIST
ant Secretary Oh otate. ~ IL,
cia services. only addressed hun because he was al
that he was-hrst OF alt an Assistant secretary,
talk and third cOunted that was fortunate that there
was asO "a personal relation:
Do YOU think that Walker Blame, as an attor ney
could eXpiand the ma ter better to the sccre ay
than you could, as an attorney Al was, PERHAPS 30
incredibly DOdest as 10 bu pose lhat mat might DC Iu
WHAT SENATOR BLAIR INTERPRETED.
O-In your letter TO Walker Blaine you speak of Sena-
tor Birs aid you in enabling you TO interpret what
you alone could not understand, and you say am
sure that you supplement that ad Please state to
the committee what 1t was that Senator Blair inter
preted to vou A.-Senator Blair made statements to
me as COUNSEL They were suggestions with reference
to the HABITS Of the secretary mind, as mind. They
the results OF such observations as take H. would
only gained by long ard intimate acquaintance be-
tween the senator and the Secretary
O.-Be kind enough to specify what he said Al can
nOI enter upon IT, think, without ndehcacy 1t was
frank unreserye statement, such could scarcely be
Q.-Haye you any objection to specify ying just what
wanted Walker Blaine TO interpret 10 his father ad
irom hs father 10 you Any ldea was TINS TO pre-
pare brief from the lawyers standpoint precisely as
would prepare II for experienced Judge then TO take
1t 10 the Assistant secretary, anu 10 ASK nm 10 go
through and whether the case 30 put would, III his
judgment, GO justice to my clients II submitted to the
Q.-Wiy couldn't Senator Blair do that just well
A-Because thought that the Assistant Secretary OF
STATE az tle son OF MS ather would uhdeIsna Tue
QMnat peculiar obquity was there IN the secetarys
mind that was 10 De oYercOInef Alt was hot opl,
guilty. il simply lack of culture-a lack of legal
culture. 49, .r
GA kind OF legal stupdityf A-Not AT an ,.
0-WLnt was IL A lack OF that special culture
in dealing with questions of law that is acquired only in
study. understood the Secretary 10 DC deficient
in that precisely might be deficient In the knowl
edge OF the German, spanish, the saiScr or any
other language which he had not studied.
MIR BelmOnt-COud not the Secretary have consulted
the Attorney-Gen the claim Al should GER
tuinly suppose lie could. ~
O~You never heard that he did A.-There never
was any suggestion OF that kind. One Of the
speca reasons which led seek the Third Assistant
Secretary that in the Secrearys conferences
throughout which led me TO believe that he would not
seek any legal advice the subject understood most
enpnacay from the and drift OF his talk from be-
ginning end that he alone proposed to dispose or TINS
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