New-York tribune., 1882-08-14
GREAT BRITAIN.
HOES OF TWO DEBATEs-CABlNET NEWS.


tion to the Vote of Credit was pretty complete
But seven Englishmen who call themselves Lib
erals could in the end be found to record their
opposition to putting down the Egyptian mutt
ueers 1t is not a formidable phalanx. 1t contains
no man of first or second rank in politics. Mr. Burt
is ncminally workingman's representative, but
the workingmen do not accord to Mr.. Burt an en-
thusiastic support this question. nor their com
plete confidence a guide IN foreign pohti's' OH
Wlirid Lawson all know-a genial fahatc ~
whom the House listens when he IS amusing ana
because he is amusing Sir Charles Dixie referred
to him in debate rs his facctous friend, ana facc-
tious is not complimentary, hardly respectful
adjective. Mr.. IlingwOrth is Mr.. FOrsters col
league in Bradford. who has made no particular
mark in the House. Mr.. Henry Richard is an
apostle of peace-at any price, should have sad,
but believe the peace people object to having any
price affixed to their de- yoton. Mr. Storey and Mr. l.
C.. Thompson only need to be mentioned Tor the
sake OF completing the tale and Mr. Jesse Collngss
political usefulness is too much impaired by in-
diligence in aluiable sentiment to add credit OF
strength to the party One Scotch Liberal voted
with the English seven, Sir David Weddcrburn, to
whom all sorts of political whimsicalitics appear
serious. The rest Home Rulers, Mr. Percy
Wyndham excepted. who calls himself a ConserVa-
tive. II does not much matter what he calls HIM
self.
Neither tie House nor the country has paid much
heed to the debate. 1t not one of .hose cases
where the rubllc listens to be enlightened or in
formed. 1t had made up its mind, and only wanted
the money voted, aud the business flushed OFT.
Besides spite Of Sir Stafford NOrthcOtes OF hesi-
taton, everybody knew that the support of the
Tories was forcgone conclusion. There were
speeches of marked ability-mUsty, OF course, OH
the Ministerial side. for the debating power OF the
Tories is at a low ebb. Some elective criticisms
there were Of the diplomacy of tie Government,
and of their long hesitation before striking their
blow at Alexandria. 1t would be very dlihcult TO
make out perfect defence for Ministers on these
points, Sir UrummOnd VOLTS charges were, no
doubt, damaging for the moment with those who
heard them and Mr.. Bourkes might have been II
any body could have heard them. But when the
Government brought up their heavy metal IL was
| Alexandria over again-Sir Bcauchamp Seynours
ronclals and eighty guns against earthworKs
and smoothbores. Sir Charles Dixie spoke Win
cOpious and accurate knowledge and II real argu-
mcntative power which almost justified the over
praises indiscreet friends are wont to bostow oh
him. His defence Of policy which iii parts Is IN
delensiLle was not exactly brilliant, but 1t was
very effective with the House. which is more to the
purpose To those not in the House Sir Charles
Dilke's speeches sometimes appear wanting ID
Mr.. Chamberlain is eft his beat III dealing with
diplomacy. but he was put up to silence his own
faction; and did it with his usual adroitness and
plausible ingenuity. Perhaps, on the whole. the
speech which made most Impression on the House
was Mt. Goschens. He knows. He is the author
of the Control, of one phase OF the Control lie
s Indcpendent, weghty, convincing, aud with hlln
and Sir Charles Dflko the Government might we'll
have rested their Mr. GladstOnes second
speech, which closed the debate. had for IT'S main
object 10 assure the House that he was IN earnest,
that he would stand no nonsense from the Sultan-
though willing to accept what should style n sub
ordinate cooperation at his hands,-and to reassurc
Europe against doubts to which The Times's arti
Gle had given rise THIS lie acc omptished in his
usual way and his success, the effect OF his
| speech as a speech, only impaired by fresh
/ memories OF the one he delivered last Monday. But
! | do not think he has satisfied everybody that he
might not rightly have had troops ut Alexandria to
| follow up the bombardment by an Immediate land
| ing.
The Lords would lie more interesting Il :he Con-
| scrvative majority of them did not hold caucuses
! and decide beforehand what they would do. Yes
| terday's debate on the Arrears Bill was but dress
| parade Tho Arrears question had been pretty
| thoroughly threshed out III the House OF Commons.
! Not much has been added to the stock OF public
| knowledge by their LordShips. There was Il good
attendance in the beginning both of Peers and
spectators but before the end was reached the
| house empticd. The Lord Chancellor went to
| sleep. Lord Derby, who was to have spoken de-
| parted, ana soon Lord SelbOrne followed his eX-
ample leaving the Earl OF Cork TO preside over the
deliberations of the hereditary branch of the Legs-
lature 1t is hardly conceivable that anything OF
vital importance to the Kingdom should occur under
| ,f RI iOrk
fact happen except that the bill WAS read second
time: AS had been arranged in the caucus before
mentioned.
Lord Sallsbury's speech was the event Of the
evening and even that need not detan anybody
very long. Much Of It WAS sensible enough some
of 1t smart. Lord Salisbury can always be smaEt
when il suits him. and sensible when Providence
takes the trouble to guide his thoughts. HIS argu-
ments against the principle OF the Arrears bill are
uuite unanswerable on economical grounds. But
he himself indicated the futility of the merely
economical way OF considering the bill when he
described it "a the product of the Kilmalnham
Treaty. If it were nothing but huge Insolvency
bill. remarked Lord Salisbury, not much would
: need to be said about it. But he touched one Of
the weak points OF the measure when he dwelt
the difficulty of proving that The tenant in given
case is really insOlveut The actual financial con-
dition Of an Irish tenant at particular moment is
a conundrum to which few men would care to
alteupt an answer. The really important matter
in Lord Sasbury's speech is his statement about
the amendments he is going to make. lt iseyen
stronger than the statement agreed to IN caucus.
No tenant is tc have the benefit of the bill unless
his landlord join in his application On that there
| will be a contest between Lords and Commons, and
| Mr. Gladstone is reported In no mood to give way.
He may prove more yielding on the question
whether or not in computing the tenants assets his
| tennnt.right shall he included As tenant-right is
| d t.inr thnt cnn he sold ln the market for cash.