New-York tribune., 1882-04-12
SHEPHERDS EXAMINATION.
QUESTIONED REGARDING LETTERS.

IA
WASHINGTON, April 1.-The examination OF
Jacoh r shpherd wss resumed this morning before the
Uause Committee OF Foreign Affairs. the chair being oc-
cuped by Mr. Rice, of Massachusetts, and the examna
tion being conducted first by Mr Boun of Georgia. ana
sfterward by Mr.. Belmont of New-York
Mr. Blount asked the witness 10 state whether or no'
the infor nation which the gentlemen whose names ne
had given TO Mr. Blaine in respect TO General hurDus
relations with suarez in Lima, was Information withih
their knowledge, or was merely hear'ayi ms
reply was that OF those gentlemen had spoken Oh MS
personal knowledge as to the public relations oI
suarez TO nurlbut in Peru while the Other nau
spoken particularly Of the influence whch those
relations had among the loading people OF the to"h
Another man had told the witness that snar~ hau "p
Piled TO him to lease in Lima for the American
Minister and at had thereupon expressed Ills sur
prise that suarez should interesting himself IN that
way.
Mr. Biount-would you have ever asked the aid OF the
Government in connection with this claim Dut ior 'he
condition Of Peru at that time!
The witness-That was a matter of speculation l
took into account then existing and thought
that the situation, IT then existed especially
favorable
Mr. BlountYou say in your letter of June % to Mr.
Hurbut: "I the foregoing suggestions are within the
facts 1t results THAT the United states Government
has now the right against Peru. Chill ana all
the world to intervene pcromporly TO adjust all qnes
tons now pending Lima. 2That 1t Is its duty so TO
Intervene because il alone decree and enforce JUS
tice In the premises" We're those tho views that you
seeking TO impress on Mr. Hulbut as the American
Minister
The witness-Yes, SIR. understood these to be the
Identical views held by the Secretary of state
Mr. BloLnt-You stated in this same letter that stock
would be slCttod select lists of the leading capital
lists in Boston, Hartford Philadelphia, Baltimore, Cleve
land Cincinnati, Chicago and ST. Louis, with view to
nationazing tho corporation" Was it your object to
t.,f1 tirnRnt IN
claim by influencing capitalists these different cities
The wi,ness-The object that had in view was TO
interest certain representative that the manage
ment OF the company should be, in the best sense ma
tona and should in that respect he entitled to the con
dence of ne Government of the United States and OF
To the question whether the letters Mr. Hurbut had
been submitted Senator Blair, the witness replied:
NEARLY If not quite every letter that wrote to Mr.
HuIlbut read TO Senator Blair Al
The witness asked whether the letter 20 Dr AT
zoa written by the Venezuelan Minister ana ne de-
Reerrns to sentence in the letter from Comache to
Arizoa IN when il is stated that the owners OF this
great ayy Ing frnn aSo s mercan the
witness asked whether the secretary oi state nad
that position for the Government. His reply was Il do
nor think did in the terms in which was put tnen
ipreryiew that Il that the claim or the title
which the Peruvian Company now asserted had i noi
have been denied and if that title shond first be as
serted by Amer can citizens, and the Peruvian Govern
nent should that first assertion refuse to entertain
H. the original denial of justice would be denia 10
ry OF state He made cautious response equivalent
10 this, think; There may be something in mat
The attention of the witness directed TO quota
zion i'll letter OF his to Mr Hurbqt OF November 10,
1881. in which he quotes Senator biair as writing 10
him: "Hurbut tecgrap6s that the Chillans nave cap
tured Celderon and carried hm to Chill" Ihe senator
odds: "1hcre mus be trouble now; have General Grant
do duty: and he was asked whether he had
sSnSh to get "1 Genera ipdieated in thSt letter.
His reply was: did consult with General Grant, pur
snant TO the purpose which had and which men
Q-Did You endeavor to get him to come to Washing
what had better be done. and suggested that shoui1
be glad to have him 60 TO Washington with me II
be thought II best. He replied that he Thought was
necessary TOR him 10 60 personally and thnK ne
added it would be difficult for him TO leave al the
time We had what properly q consultation In tie
premises. did not urge any thing on hs ateniion-any
Q.-was not this display OF relations to General
Grant intended to impress Mr. HurlDlt with
KNOW thai lad made any more display Of General
Grants than of the name of any oher gent enan
OF names was The fact that not alone in my juds
pent to the important facts at issue here
The attention OF the witness was cal ed TO paragraph
in from Mr. Blaine to Mr. liurlbu, dated Noyem-
just ground whatever on which tbs Government could
infery .ne benalf Of the COchet claim and the wit
mess was asked whether Mr. Blaine had ever talked with
him In that way in regard to the claim. his reIy was
"Never. He never made suggestion which looked In
the Of the witness called TO another par
ae,raph in the same letter, IN which Nh Blaine says:
MT jacob Il. shipherd very extraordinary IL is In
the first place. extraordinary that he should
advised him that Ministers Of the United states
in foresn countries "ere not permitted 10 extend lner
the Department OF state; and the witness was asked
tn very small part correct He added IAN that was
ever said by Mr. Blaine 10 inc or III uy hearing OF that
nature was i'll the direction OF encouraging Inc and
stimulating send commissioners al an early day,
whom Mr.. iurlbnt might immediately present TO the
Peruvian and Chilan authorities. T1e ateInent was
Inede two perhaps three tunes and whenever i was
made il was In this form Send down your com
Inissoners and General HurDut will take them by the
hand Il remember mat phrase beihg used
Te win T introduce them as reputable American
citizens entitled 10 the confidence and The courteous
tn tress send down you CON missoncrs and Mr Hurl-
but N do everything for them thAt they need That is
Mir Blount-Dd Secretary Blaine tell you in the
.eTviey which Won had with him that he could see no
possiole grounds on which the Government coud lend
It's good Offices in aid of your clamt A-Ilr never did
with senator Blair in regard to this claim
By Mr. Rico-YOu have testified III reference TO your
oI1de In that statement the winch you
Mr. Hurbut al Beiydere, representing tAat S@3O0OO OF
stock would be reserved for him and Ais freuds A
q.Dd senator Blair see tha, letter before yon sent
Mf A-No. sir. He not retained I'LL long aiterward
QmHad yS1h told S hsm sacreary 81 ii0J uT 10 your
,H.sr'f" 4ss think MD 50. tn' % brought it to tie atien;
tion in turn OF every gentleman whom Retained
al sone time or other discussed therefore
letter which took pains to call attention and to take
O-Iid anyone OF them express opinion that there
was anything improper in that letter Al have no
recollection that any such opinion was expressed
OWN you swear that the who purchased this
claim Geaca COchet the natural SOD OF Alexander
Cocne paid over $50 him for iti A. (siniling and
after palse)-I should not IKE 10 answer such ques
zion thaf for other than because II would
be the first of an indefinite series 0f questions.
BY Mr BemOnt-You wrote 10 President Garfield in
APRIL 1851 in behalf OF certain clients, touching
tain clani or claims, against Peru Who
those cl.entsf Al decline To state.
O-Was IL the Peruvian Company Al beg 10 be e1-
cused from answering any question in that line
Q,-Do you decline 10 answer under advice OF coun-
self A.-Yc- sir.
Q-Had you not better consider whether such advice