New-York tribune., 1882-04-07
officially influence this

dress such question that to angrily take the
C-You did suggest to him that you had written letter
20 his appointee TO Peru making this improper proos
! Initted that that was an improper proposition.
QBut could you not make the proposition Just ns wen
10 Secretary Blaine to tell him that you had made
TO one his appointecs Al do not know anything to
say to such o question 0s that
TIE INTERVIEW WITH MIR. BLAINE AGAIN.
Q.-why did you suppose that he would listen TO you
when ycu stated to hm that you had written this letter
TO Mr. Hurlbut, the Minister whom the President had
appointed his recommendation Why did yOu state
| that to him when you would not venture to
make q proposition OF the same kind TO himself
At the opening OF the interview WIN Seerv.aIy @
thing that had passed between and representative
of me state Departmcnt II seemed to be logically and
chronooGcay the proper thing. began Therefore, ny
referring TO the letters which had sent to the Pesdch
suggesting that they had been probably referred TO him
He responded to that with nod of acquiescencc.
specified each letter and its contents referring 10 ne
copies winch had sent to him 10 De delivered III his DIS
cretion to General Hurbut. then referred to my note
| to General IIurlbut and to his response ny
lated quite fully all that passed between General
Hurlbu and my self in NewIork intending thereby 10
assure mysclf that General urlbu spoke by the author
y of his chief The constant response OF the secretary
was an acquiescent nod No exception was ttncn & py
| what General Hurbut had said to me- men
Thought wa his dnet forget the precise praseooSy;
remember quite distinctly my state OF mind, and
had suggested to General IIurlbI, in letter 40 ana
40 (which quoted verbatim from memory thai II ~
| misht be interested, etc. ! did this so
that the Secretary might know absolutely
everything that had passed between General liurbut
and inc. II never occurred to at the time that the
letter contained anything mproper taken as %nP &
Secretary for he expressed no surprise anu made DO
1scson was made that that was not an attractive
offer Then the Secretary smiled or laughed or maze
| that matter was much fully discussed ana very
carefully dissected and analyzed in later interview
| Mr. Rcc-That we have not yet come TO-
The witnessThat we haze not come TO- My recoliec-
on is that very little was Fsld ~ way oi o9n1e' M ~
relation the letter at the first interview IN thc sec
ond interview, which will come up III another dLScSn'
shall show that the letter was very Thoroughly dis
| sected and very carefully discussed.
Q-This letter you have said you sent 10 General
Hrlbnt because you deemed him purchasabie and that
you would have sent to any ocia WHOM you con,
sdered o of prOby and integrity ana yet you did
not hesitate ten Secretary Blaine about Al ud
not ut al ai find vour testimony of that interview on
page "a OF the printed volume 10n say there h'i tG
Secretary suggested probable difficulties from legal
point OF vcw he raised question of possible non
assgnablity of a" chose in action ~ between nations
aud ihat he said: "IIere you have bought claim
little lower down i'll the testimony you say The Sec
retarY said You Americans Lave bought claim oI
icncman or OF his Peruvian son, and now you to
| ask the United States 10 interfere in your behalf
this purchased claim Have you rlGht 10 do tna' H.
| Did Won then say to him, "Nhy, Nr secretary MI.
IIurihu said to me in New York that the Government
had doubt upon the printed evidence furnhed ~ ol
| two conditions the Government would support the
claim - Dld you say anything to Nj. Blaine at tnat
Mir Hurbut had made lyon and the secretary caution
in asking you these questions. ana IN suggesuhg ihis
very important legal difficulty III lhe way o. your claim
| Witness-I did nor
VERY IMPORTANT ISTINCTION
O-Therc was a very important distinction, was there
not between the statement which Mr. IIlriou made 70
you suggestions Of doubt made on the part OF
| the Secretary Ayes, sir
Odd not occur you to say to Mr. Blaine, "What
did General Huilhut mean by saying to me that the
Government h5d no aicnity WIN reffnce 's TO ms
claim and would support II Oh certain cOhutIoubi A.
1t id and for the reason mat my mind
rarely work7 IN tnat way was lrcPar.3 10 lhee ms
Obec ions made 10 me directly az an original question
| Q.-Nhat reason had you 10 eNptct tnat eccletny
Blame would make any objections when General Eur
mind or tine Government Any experience with men
all walks of life has been that they very often revise
their opinions, their statements and their promises
Q.-The next morning you were again with Stnator
the Government of the United otates to decide at
| ali the validity or the claim Alt that time.
Q-And all that you desired was thai the Govern
ment should give notice to the Peruvian Government
| that somebody made such claim! A.-substanti4y
Q-And the Secretary told you that that notice should
| Q-And he DID give eitl Ayes, in his way.
Q-And that is all that he ever did in your behalfi
Q.-Dd lie do moro than that A.-Yes, sir.
Q.-We VIII reserve that for another ine as DO not
want to 90 beyond the datc 10 which Tie chairman went
in his examination You ASK IN one OF hesG letters
Can yOu give the address % euTcl = Had any
thing been SAID about Suarez IN your interview Win Sec
retary Blaincl Ayes.
Q.-You said nothing of that in the STATE oment which
you have already gwen OF mat interview Al only
gave the moment OF my tcSify1, such paris OF to
| I
flesAes my recollection AID viii aIs"eri as fully or
| as briefly az you please
| Q.-Answer fully wat was said about Suaez. also
hat oi your letters the Crclu lndnstrel
comes in. said nothing about that in your prior
statement of this conversation with Secretary Blaine
Al had heard through Peruvian sources prior TO this
interview with the secretary that there was Frenea
proposed to 10 administer on all The guano ana nitrate
| in Peru, having plan which, if il were succ, ssful.
| would substantially defeat our plan. had learned
these facts general facts prior 10 TINS interview, with
out the advantage OF many details some casual refer
| ence TO such French company which made led the
Secretary to SPEAK somewhat ia ts wise el;, give ms
shall 10 summarize III. He said: Mr. shpherd,
these French people have been around the STATE Dc
partment ev er have been here. and undo rstand
that they here long time before Their principal
agent lir but the fact Is, that Mr. -more,
Who is accredited conndenll agent oi Mr. Cal
deron (a lime he had not been recognized as Min
Mr Is. The TWO traveI together, as Mr. Lincoln
used say, like Two pups tied with one string, and
nation. Now, have always refused to 40 anything
fuse. They have American connections they have
no American interests of any sort Nevertheless they
have been here persistently insisting the United
States shall interfere effectively 10 compel peace be
tween Chill aud Peru order that they may enter
their contract. have told them that such app!ica
prcpo-terous and could not be entertained, but
they constantly here-Mr suarez az the open agent!
and 1lr. ElnoTe as the real agent, cooperating with
Mm."
ALLEGED SUGGESTIONS BY MIR. BLAINE.
Mr.. Kasson-Who you quoting now I
Wtness-I am quoting Mr. secretary Blaine, and as
nearly pOssible verbatim.
"Now," said he this Suarez have to a good
deal of but l don't talk to him much. They had
Frenchman here a while ago. Count somebody who
was very bright lie could not talk English, but
through an Interpreter had long conversations.
very Intelligent ana argued his case with ereat
thuslasIn and great tact But told him that could
do nOihing him. lie finally responded to 'Sccre
t1ry, it il very hard that you Will not interfere FOR
nor allow Government 10 interfere for US And
Irepcd that il did hard out that that exactly
the case that We would not allow the French Govern
mcnf to interfere behalf Of such important French
company down there and that certainly would not
interfere IN hcir behalf. 80 they will make any
hcauway all but they are very respectable concern
and have amount Of rea y cash Now If you could
connect yourself Win that cOulany III such that
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