New-York tribune., 1882-04-11
SHEPHERDS COUNSELLORS.
WHAT GRANT AND CoNKLING SAID TO HIM

RtAIp WILLIAM f. CHANDLER AND OTHERS.
| WASHINGTON, April 10.-The examination OF
Jacob r. Shiphcrd continued this morning pelore
the House Committee Foreign Affairs the chalr pehg
occupied by Mr. Williams OF Wisconsin, ana the lhVes'r
cation being conducted by Mr. Blont OF Georgia Inc
witness questioned minuely as to what he meant Dy
several passages In letters to Mr. Hubut, promising MN
the aid of the Company retain him In hs po-
sition AT Lima assuring him that he should ma IN MN
Cshiphcrd true partner" and that he should ma Ill
the Peruvian Company during his ministry and 30 long
as he lived surcst appreciation and the most heip
friendship The witness explained that he meant pre-
csey what he had said He added that the general feeling
that he had was that IL Mr. Hurlbu coopcated with the
Peruvian Company the company would never forget ms
valuable and services There was nothing more DEL
mite than that in his mind Being pressed to explain
what he meant by the phrase true partner, he said
that he meant the kind OF partnership that he had
with Secretary Baine-a partnership between the Gov
ernment on the hand aud corporation entitled to
| the good offices OF the Government on the other
Mr. BIount-what did you mean by sayirg 10 Mr.
Uurlbut I'm your of November 90 so long a. you
stand with us we will stand faithfully for yon. You may
rely on our whereabouts with mathematical certainty y
The witness-Mr Hurlbut had primarily at stake his
| rcputaton as n Minister II being very seriously
attacked at the time and II the examination shall call
for il shall have something to say specifically Oh that
| point.
! Mr. Blount-What did you mean by this paragraph:
"For yonr own satisfaction may say that our saf OF
COUNSEL including such representative and various men
as Governor Boutwell, Senator Eaton Senator Conkling
Collector Robertson, Congressman Lord and Senator
Blair are absolutely agreed upon this az upon every
other point material to pending ssues and the most
radical suggestions Of policy yet suggested have the
hearty autograph approval OF General Grant who Is
now one OF The significance Of all this you need
no aid from me to esmate"l What radical suggestion
you refer to having the autograph approval OF
| General Grant
The vitness-n this suggestion included the draft
cable dispatch which prepared for Mr. Blaine on Oco-
Der 49, and asked him to send. The approval which
refer TO indorsed on that draft
GENERAL GRANT AND THE COMPANY.
Mr. Blount-You spoke Of General Grant az zone OF
| u.s." What did you by that-ls stockholder or
| what
The witness-I am glad to have that question asked,
because that Phrase is which have regretted
was writing at considerable length and writing under
pressure to catch tho closing steamer mail. used
phrase there which strictly true as it lay In my
own mind and with reference the idea which wished
10 convey General urbut bat II Is phrase which,
printed broadcast might well he misunderstood IL s
proper for precisely what the relations OF
General Grant to us Mt that time which led me to
use at phrase first sent the papers in this case to
General Grant think in June or July while ne was at
Long Branch for the summer. sent them with note
simply asking him TO give them such attention "a he
might think proper. and saying that wished at some
merely To- bring the matter to his attention time
later Il should say the latter part of September per
h'p had % conveTsaon ens ' with General Grant
con tne subject and then suggested to hm N definitely
cated with less prominently in the direction
of the company lie replied at some length. Our CON
yersaoD lasted think at least an hour; ana IN mat
instance. at least was not ihe CHIEF taker General
Grant talked most Of the hour lie discussed at very
considerable length the general principles which he
thought applicable to this case The gist ot his state
meut was his shall not at present consider any
proposition to become pecnnarly interested with yo
disposition of the pubic 10 comment upon every
business enterprise with which become connected |
is such tnat am increasingly mdlsPosed to
But hesitation Whatever IN expressing TO you |
views az to what yenr General Iignts are IRE 10 @ ,he
premises andiwbat the Government ought TO 20 or You
lie then recapltulaed at considerable length similar
interference Of the Executive in behalf of the rights of
American citizens i'll foreign countries during hls own
said expressly after mentioning several of the cases
These much harder cases than yours Ihe rlgnt
of the citizen have tine Government interfere III Ills
the case" lie summed The matter up by
saying: Mr. shipherd, it wiz make no difference |
whether ann stockholder wth you or not SO Lar as
you If were sockhOlder except to all y0n In securing
from the Government sucn help 10 Ia my Judgment you
Az entitled absolutely anyway shall help you as
of fact any and every way that can but solely
can corporation on ftt you may Iey, ana l9r @ Ine
present please to understand distinctly that do nor
wish cOnser the question vi becoming pecuiiarly
interested with you"
sHIPnERD's sELF-GRATULATIoN.
That conversation should say In the last OF Sep
tembcr or The first of October had second and |
think "a third conversation with General Gfaut In Octo
ber 1 should say The substance of his declaration |
in each was identical with the substance |
of his first declaration have given itthat might
rely upon his unqualified cooperation so far as our
general rights concerned aud that that cooperation
would be in all respects hearty aud snootye though
he were a etockhoder. These being the facts went
away win that IMPRESSION was ~ tDat I'M suehlIg
simply the independent Judgment OF representative CIT
there most important accession To the mum
ber of hose whom counted as our friends As matter
immateria to whether General Grant took u pecu-
mary interest or not on the contrary my Judgment was
fnaf ha nd lfrsIIa
and H. having pecuniary interest with us he gave MS
the help going to he much greater than If he
be slocknolder Therefore IN writing to General Hurl-
but had this fact IN mind, thai we had obtained most
important accession to what considered our circle;
wished convey that fact to General Hmlbut wished
10 impress him with the fact not that we accunu-
latng capital to bring pressure 70 bear upon some
body, but that wo were accmuatlng the independent
cooperation of rstciass WITH that in mind used
the phrase" General Grant Is one OF US say that
more than had right 10 imply and more than 1 in
tended TO imply at the time
Mr. Bount-When did General Grant become q stock |
no der in the Peruvian Company
The wimess-Iie never did
ex-senator Eaton ex-senator COnkng Collector Robert
SON MIR Scott Lord and Senator Blair were your counsel
as you state in your letter Of October 27t
The wttness-They were all counsel, as | then under
stood it and they were absolutely counse, with posi-
bly, The exception of senator Conking viii state the
precise facts in regard TO his retainer 1t having been
decided to tender him retainer 1t was agreed after
some consultation with Senator Blair to write him on
was further adv advised that the letter % and IT the % papers
which were sent with the letter reached Senator Conk
illness aud that they did not receive immediate aten
don for that subsequently Mr. Lord, who mad
been informed. Tor several years law partner
OF Mr. Conklng, and personally intimate with
him, volunteered to write second letter. and, as was
advised By Mr.. Lord, lie did
MIR. CoNKLING RECEIVES HIM CORDIALLY.
few days after that second letter written Mr..
Lord came TO my Office and handed letter which. he
assured me. an autograph of Senator Conkling's
which letter read, and which stated in substance that
he had received the communication OF Senator Blair
and the papers, and that he had examined tho far