New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1882-04-16
SHEPHERDS GRAND SCHEME.
WHAT HE HOPED AND WHAT HE GAINED.


WASHINGTON, April 15.-At the meeting OF
the Committee Foreign Affairs this morning, the
chairman laid before the n.tes the following note
from Mr.. Blaine
wAsnlyGroS, April / 1891.
TIE Ion. Cu,rrrs G. WILLIAMS Chairfaon Ccmmitee
on F0ceiTp AF1irs HoUse " Re2rescntI 'ires
SIN: Al tie convenience OF your 1am1ee desre 10
b. heard u reference TO tie Perm. hlan Inatcrs no~
very Respectfully, JAMES q. BLAINE.
3lr. Blount suggested that perhaps Mr Blaine would
rather wait anti three other witnesses were ex
am;nca lie suggested that the matter OF Mr. Bain"s
should be taken up for the present; and 1t was
so laid aside.
The examination OF Jacob r. shipherd was then re-
sumcd
MI Belmont said: The has refused 20 answer
number OF questions which essential for the puF-
pose of this investigations and that refusal Is matter
for The future consideration Of the committee 40 not
propose take up any time at mt in the ex
animation.
The examination was then taken M by 'fr. Lord q
Michigan and vas drec.d fret to the Characterization
Of General Hu-but IN the Witness testimony as
recognized criminal The witness explained that he did
not testify that he had treated General HurDut ~
recognized criminal, bur rather that ne had dealt with
him The Ike spirit and temper a. ic would have deat
with recognized criminal He then asked whe ner
hs counsel had also recognized the necessity VI dealing
with Mr. Hur bat gnized criminal H4sreply "a-
that 40 FAR the matter was discussed between himself
ana those with won he consulted the discussion was
entirely free Tie past record OF Mr. Harlbut, AS
whole was considered and considered Substantially a.
had been already tatod TO the committee
Tie witncss letter Of June 3 to Mr. Huribnt was then
taken up and the witness said thar the idea was TO MAKE
suggestion which vas, on it, face absolutely
truc and proper, that would not inlslead any
honest man to suppose that he could be in
properly interested in the scheme, aud that
would only msead dishonest nan Csuch man as he
supposed General nur5ut to be- faI as TO stay lin
from the dircc, antcipatOry attack which the witness
alone SOUGHT by writing the letter. TO ward of So far
was intended. II Mr. HurlDut was had man. 10 MS
lead him.
On being furlc pressed on this point the witness
sail: can sum up testimony which have given OF
intended TO give on this point Ny knowledge Of Gen
cra Hurlbut, az . whole. aprc .sed ne profoundly with
tie bell fthlt he being Minister TO Perm, was CON
PEELED 70 deal with him ceTan extent AID thot, IN
dealing with him, would be compelled TO deal win
man VINO would strike me from the hrst un
I-,s in some manner standing the defen-
si,e. I PREPARED myself 70 wari on hs blows
never have said tempted 20 say, inumated that
a. a matter % fact, General Hurihrt BAL man.
iave only said and protested that an that knew Of
him compelled me 10 treat him as bad man, as man
against whom mus, defend myself seasonably. did
not intend 10 writing tAat letter OF Juno 10, that General
Hurlbut should have anything in the shape Of promise
on which he might base a claim FOR improper interest
mora and ideas and left to HIN TO conSr1e IT,
Odd you have any opinion - 10 what construciion
be woru Iut upon IT, Al Canuot ; mat nhd any
opinion; hat an expectation ~
q Was that on ,Le theory o. bis being villain A
Entirely.
you had ma ic Inn al offer OF reward for s rer;l-T
from getting in your way Al expected that Il woA-d
O-When you showed this letter to your
counsel, senator Blur. did you tax with INN
abOlt the mora 4Ialile' az the person to Wol II va
address d. aad of,s adaptation to M supposed charac-
ter Al DO not thnz there was any very ful III Gus
of tn slbi.ct. All the points "hcA tle Question
implies were alluded 20 or mentioned IN summary
ODD sIr. boutwell, agree with yop and your other
counsel senator Blair, regard 10 tue iptaton o.
~ ~ men NJ E,tyrc made WIS rather more
Ike tis That letter Mr. Shpherd taken a a Who;o,
re- 4 m yrav ina might provoke criticism and II mad
advised WIKI saOlld have doubted tine expedlency
Of sending it,
SEEKING 4, CEss TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT
O-At whose suggestion did you employ Senator Blair
as oounsell Al decline to state.
O-Haye you not already stated that Mr.. Boutwell,
recommended his appointment Al have stated that
Ut Boutwell, expressed the opinion that Senator Blair
,-o.d be NOR likely than perhaps anybody else TO per-
sunde the Secretary Of STATE to take the matter up
promptly, ,.., I'D, o.,,o1 ,-,, warn irrr
erel -ely iu tine cmpl ynegt az senate, bir by me
acc.-s Whici IL woud give you 10 the state Depart
mtnrl Ayes, Wac seeking access to the STATE De
0What was the manner OF his comp ansation Al
III 10
O-Nou nave testified iua' Ht il At' 4Stui.u 10 ~
ceve fee and that Zee ccLc on, ana theh mat
Doc returuci IT, ron thefe ore, ''' - nun - i ~
feet Al have state" al We tc' ~ rs-tu 20 '"a TO-
tsIner that ! tAiH * are properly c"'Iel ior. A. g.. l.,
~ r., -, }', ,ro'id Of inc probable settlement the
wnoc ease py the state Department! A-'o LIE stated
0And when Ie became doubtful of ts being settled
IN me state Department and though hit L. lhkl come
bsfore Congress he returned the zee Al Understand
tI.a. IN De- exactly the situation.
'' f ~ 10 tie question The discussion OF the letter
~ limo in the presence ol the secretary oI iie hg
,ifress was asked IA what respect he had understood
senator air 10 call attention TO tie oi4y 81 ihS lrop
General Ilu. lbu stock rather than rewarding hn ia
some more paipabie way m .,. ..,. - $780,.
mnl bv tho senators comment was that It was more
or less % play iul comment -, . r., .... .-
Vim he said nc dla not think you would eaten hun! A
= the Secretary to siare eAaedy tAc view
't4;.I s sUa had Wa thas the nist,r was
~ rcd villain and that he approved OF Your dealing
vim MIN AS such Al dd not exactly te-lfy 10 thal
itho~h 4ra0s something equivalent To II might come
o1t ol wy NV fher; was not the slightest intimation
e-rn by tae secretary al that time t-at he saw any
an az vtirn e secretary sad .auehngy that NJ did
moi think We should catch Inn III that way wha' did
fsf re- rrfei o. my self AM those associated WITH me
O.-Then you took 1t as Joeose remark on ms part
and OH the par OIL senator Blair Yes did hot
understand i 10 be necessarily rfcoku.tlon ~ We
secretary OF state tlat General luIIDu 10 purcAaea
Die only -.iuc" ahC hhltesrtu Wl'I u Iatt Lit
la dit NOT SAY anything WHICH showed 1t tnOh-ut ~
1i, h,i 10 HSe ie matter any serious attention. IL
va. A " touch ana pass on
a. In cour subsequent dis ussions and your various
oTr,-f,;a.;,c. " in nc state Deparmcn and Win
General HIibut, extending through tue summer ana Up
w AMI To fnr autumn. ud yOu continue To regard Tie
Ser mn the same u-nt you DID VII, n You commenced
olr negotiations with mia on ,ie ID o. June! Any
,,a- ilIre,s.o IN lion TO General uullDuts way
~ iool. at things has no. yari except To be deep
,fcd and confirmed from the beginning - ms ilne.
-WLa dit yOu mean IN one cI your ateI e.tegs 10
Ccf.-.l HurIhut, In winch you praised nm Tor Lls
feIrio. lu etc. ana SAID You S0u4 STAND Os A!m ana
.se ID MN a., ID brother Ia what asa me Ii-ieli4d re-
1rio-- cou,i. be- tween you A-Ihe letter contains lis
,Sn rs and definitions ana nee15 10 cOlAiDolt
iran, me- proposed that far ~ lie showed .lSea
worthy Of fra erua recognition would recognize AiAi
WHAT MIR sHlPHERD GAINED.
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