The Portland daily press., 1882-04-15
THE PERUVIAN COMPANY.
Sh1pherd Declines to Produce a
List of the Stockholders.
MORE ABOUT MR.. BLAINE'S INTER
VIEWS.

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600 in hand than your offer of $780, 900 in stool
that he would have to pay.
Mr.. Belmont-Then this was the seconc
time that this matter of the offer of Hurlbu
had been mentioned in the presence OF the
secretary?
Witness-It was; it was talked over at THU
time Some one made a suggestion tna'
$4,000 in cash might have been offered by The
Credit Industriel, ,and this led to repetition o.
the text of my letter In fact. the secretary
himself called for the text, and l read II tc
him. He listened attenIively. and, quoting
the phrase, $50 far as it may be proper he
(the secretary said. THAT is spigot," then
iaguhing, be added, "Well, that won't make
much impression on Steve
Witness admitted that sthe secretary always
spoke with great dignity, as became his hlgh
office: that he never committed himself in
word. vet when he (Shipherd) came away and
Thought over seriously the drift OF his several
interviews, he was always profound-
" impressed with the belief that the secretary
was in accord with their wishes.
Mr.. Belmont then propounded several ques-
tions, with a view to discovering VINO We're tne
narties interested in the Peruvian Company
that he (Shipherd) had alluded to as friends
of General Grant and of the Executive.
Witness evaded direct answer, but finally
said, ssMy opinion is that at that Time tnere
were gentlemen interested with us who were
personal friends of the Garfield administration.
General Grant and President Arthur. Wit
ness declined to state who those persons were.
Witness was then asked, "Will you produce a
list Of the stockholders of the Peruvian Com
pany?"
Witness produced a letter OF introduction
from General Grant to President Arthur.
Witness was asked in regard to publica-
tion in the New York Herald purporting to be
an interview with him. in which he stated that
there were grave reasons why the Secretary OF
State would not refer his letter to the At
torney General for criminal action After some
demur and desultory discussion on the part
of the committee, witness began long state-
ment, prefaciDg it with the suggestion, II have
nv opinion; in that interview l characterized
it as knowledge. 1t satisfies me at all
events Witness continued IN substance as
follows: "My opinions are founded upon the
whole record disclosed and undisclosed, and
there are a thousand details and incidents OF
nv relations with the State Department, from
the time when Mr.. Hurlbut gave me in New
York " hat 1 understood to be the attitude OF
the State Department up to the 81 OF Decem.
ber, when the Secretary wrote In such terms OF
utter condemnation which the commlttee can
we'll understand and have not been rehearsed
here, and many of which, in fact, might not
be able now to recall.
Nv belief, all through the summer, however,
was that the Secretary fully intended to coop
crate with me, and believe that he did SO in
tend until about the 18th OF November My
belief is founded upon an absolute, consistent,
consolidated history No suggestion to the
contrary ever came to me- As to his absolute
good faith in the matter, no suggestion TO the
contrary came to me from any source all
through the summer. On the 9th or Ith OF
December his letter Of the third reached me;
it fell upon me like bolt from clear sky. 1t
was the most absolute surprise of my whole
life. could not account for it, and Tor days
it was perfectly bewildering.
The chairman interrupted the witness with
an inquiry whether he thought the Secretary
expected to derive any personal benefit from
the claim.
Witness with emphasis)-I never, for a mo-
ment, thought that Mr.. Blaine looked upon
the claim in any other light than as the Secre-
tary of State, or that he ever expected TO
make any nse of it other than officially. Moth
ing ever came to me as a breath upon the
wings of the wind that suggested even that ne
expected to use this claim personally, or in
any conceivable way to promote his PERSONAL
or pecuniary interests
Witness. ben p, ed tss 2 xrasxsro Y
what was said or not said at his several inter
views with the Secretary of State Abiding
TO conversation in which reference was made
to the dispatches and witness had expressed
his opinion that they might have been worded
differently, Mr.. Shipherd detailed at some
length the remarks of the secretary to the eff
q
much upon the body of the despatch some
times as he did upon the marginal note; that
when published would read one
way, when in reality they might mean to the
Diplomatic just the reverse. witness continu-
ed: I saw the point sometime afterward. Wnen
"Did the secretary say that?" replied that
he did; and then exclaimed: "Well then, we
have got him, for saw and held in my hands
a despatch to Mr. Hurlbut upon the margin of
which was pencilled, "Go in, Steve"
Mr.. Belmont-Who was the friend OF yours
Answer-It was Mr.. William Henry Hurl-
but. editor of the New York World
WASHINGTON, April IA.
The Shipherd investigation was resumed
this morning. Witness said the SUBJECT OF a
war with Chill was never discussed with Mr..
Blaine or with Senator Blair. ne was not
aware that Gen Grant ever wrote letter to
Washington saying it was time that the Unit
ed States should step in.
Mr.. Belmont pressed witness for the true
reasons which he must have had IN ms mlnd
when he (Shipherd) said there were grave rea-
sons why the Secretary OF State dla not nc give
his (Shipherd's) letter to the Attorney General
for criminal action, but failed to obtain any
further light upon the subject The witness
stated that he presented his letters OF introduc'
tion from Gen Grant to President Arthur, but
declined to repeat what occurred at that inter-
view with the President.
Mr.. Belmont-But did it have any relation
to the Peruvian Company in any way?
A-Yes sir.
Witness declined to answer what the rela-
tion was.
Mr.. Belmont-How did it occur that Mr..
Blaine sent despatch on the 17th, indicating
that the Peruvian Company was bubble, and
that your interview with tie President took
place on the 18th, and on the 18th Mr.. Blaine
sent another de spatch, which was entirely diff
ferent from the one of the 17th?
Witness-I am only cognizant OF chronology
cal facts I will not attempt to give an expla-
nation.
witness, in response to questions, stated that
nsither he nor his associates ever entertained
the slightest suspicion OF the possibility OF a
war with Chill.
MIR. Belmont-Will you tell us what you un-
derstood by the marginal note upon Mr..
Blalne's despatch go in Steve?
A-The impression made upon my mind was
that the wishes of the department were that
Mr.. Hurlbut should go on in the course he
YVES pursuing regardless OF the text of the dis
patch Witness declined to state whether the
draft of the instructions which Gen. Grant
endorsed had any illusions to possibility OF
war with Chill. He would at the proper time
produce the original. In response to further
questions witness repeated more in detail his
theory of Mr. Blaine'S idea in writing the let.
ter of Dec Sd, and added, "I desire to say
here in regard to the published statements
that had certain correspondence with Mr.
Blaine that there are certain letters which Mr.
Blaine would not like to have published, there
is nothing in it. Tho statement is false. ]
never received an autographed letter from
Secretary Blaine and all the correspondence
that ever passed between us has been publlsh'
ed" Witness stated that in sending the docu-
monts to Mr.. Arizola to be delivered bJ
Minister Hurbut he considered that he was
dealing with the executive (Calderon) and
while presenting his own interes ts--tbst IL
those of the Peruvian Company he was at the
same time availing himself of any collateIa
opportunities which might arise, such as the
interests of Peru in that connection.
The examination of Shipherd was postponed
till tomorrow morning, aud Mr.. Brown, che
clerk of the State Department, was questioned
in regard to some of the printed documents.
Shipherd's '.Go in, Steve Yarn Refuted
NEW YORK, April 14.-Yesterday Mr.. Ship
herd swore that William Henry Hurlbut In
formed him that he had a dispatch from Blaine
to Gen. Hurlbut, with the marginal note, "G'
in, Steve" Mr.. Hurlbut fatty denies this, ,ant
saws he had but one and an inconsequentia in
terview with Shipherd.
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