New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1882-04-14
SHEPHERDS EXPLANATION.
WHY MR.. BLAINE ATTACKED HIM.

WASHINGTON, April 13.-The examination
OF Jacob r. shpherd resumed this morning before
| the House Committee Foreign Affairs, substitute
for the official stenographer being present The chair
was occupied by the regular chairman, MI williams OF
wisconsin and the examination was conducted by olr
Remont OF New-York. The examination OF the witness
| was follows:
Mr. Belmont Ito the witness)-You have refused to
give to the committee the about the
Peruvian Company The House has assumed jurisdiction
to inquire the Peruvian Company and shall ask
YOU for all the information which you possess when
return to that branch of the inquiry would Ike you
to repeat briefly possible and as carefully as
you can what you said to the Secretary OF State In tho
interview of July in relation to the instructions that
You desired should be sent TO our Minister at Peru
wish to know how far that dispatch carried out tho pur
poses Of the Peruvian Company you described them
to the Secretary in the presence of Senator Blair then
your counsel
The witness-The substance OF my suggestion to the
Secretary was that wanted notice given by the repre-
sentative United States that such representations
had been the State Department disposed the
United States Government to inform both Chill and Peru
Of or TO call the attention of both Chill and Peru to- tho
Landreau claim and to the assertion Of the Cochet title
and 10 suggest or direct that no settlement ought to be
made in the Judgment OF the United States between
these parties without reference to the rights actual
or possible OF the parties who had brought those claims
and those titles notice Of the United States Gov
ernmcnt
Mr. Belmont-state what assurances the Secretary
gave you that your suggestions had been carried QUIT
The witnessrhc assurance il any, on that point con-
sisted disclosure Of the text of the dispatch
which he had sent, accompanied with pointed and,
think brief oral reminder that had only asked that
there should, in effect be some instructions which would
result In a notice and stay He made some remark
which called my attention to that and he emphasized to
me the fact that in the dispatch that he had
covered all the ground asked.
Mr. Belmont-Did you see that the ground had been
covered
The witness-I that the ground had been covered
as thought in effect was satisfied in my own MIND
that the matter would result an actual delay That
was all that was looking for.
Mr. Belmont-Did the Secretary assure you that the
intention Of the dispatches to carry out your pur
pose
The witness-I do not think he stated that under
stood that to very broadly implied by the tone and
manner of his remark which sort of reminder like
this "Here, shipherd, you remember you only asked
for much Now you see what wrote"
Mr. Belmont-Did he not say when he invited you to
go to the State Department that you would find the dis
patch such he told you would be sent
The witnessNo, SIT. Prior TO going to the state De-
partment my recollection is that he merely said in
the Department. ScpS tomorrow at Il o'clock and will
show you the text You VIII see Tor Yourself J.. .o,
Everything has been just You have wanted 1t all the
| time" Now, what ] want to know is whether or not
to believe that dispatch of August was in accord
with your conversation Of the interview OF Jay 70
and Senator Baryery strongly TO me expressed the De
Mr. Belmont-You have already testified that In your
interview Of October IA there was another topic Oh con-
versation than what have reated but you nave not
| stated what sad-n reference 10 the letter OF
June 2. ,,,
The witness-At the interview Of October 13 probably
IL was fresh reference made to letter OF June
General Hurlbut and the discussion OF that letter
and Of s entered upon as cOntrasted with the
probable oyertures which had been made to General
Hurbut by the Credit industrial It was in that con-
nection that the matter came up Senator Blair made
such remark rs this Hurlbut would rather have
10000 than $250000 of stock If he had to
pay for It," something of that kind This was said as
contrasting the two oyertures -
time made OF the letter which you had written to
General Hurlbuti
THE INTERVIEW WITH MR. BLAINE.
The winess-Yes, sir. Some allusion or suggestion
having been made of $4,000 cash something that
might have been offered by the Credit Industrel and
that having been said in contrast to offer to sell him
$3.50 of stock the suggestion led to repetition by
me of the text the letter think that the Secretary
called for it, He said "shpherd, just what 1t that
You wrote to Hurbut ?" My recollection is
distinct that 1 repeated the letter verbatim the Sec
rotary following very carefully He said; Yes so far as
s AID II is meant TO- be sticker At the close he
said Wen, Steve won't consider that attractive
remark OF that kind, summing up, apparently, his inn
pressons to the letter and az to Its probable effect on
it as fully rs | can give it,
Mr.. Belmont In paragraph Of the instructions given
TO General uurlbu IL is stated: The United States
wiz with their good offices the Peruvian Government
will furnish indemnity to be paid to Chill Peru,
supply guarantee 10 be required by Chill" -,
The witness-I remember that left Washington with
very deep impression my mind after that interview
at state Department that although the praseology
cred meagre yet under all the circumstances and under
the iptmation which the Secretary had made II was
sufficient is due TO him to say that his language at
all times very ,eminenty worthy OF high
office He did not enter into explicit assurances Dut ne
il impossible for "A careful review TO construe
otherwise the profound assurances that his
panhad definitely provided full place for scheme
and that he had intended to provide 1t in both the dis
Mr.. Belmont-You are aware that the programme of
possible settlement between Peru and Chill outlined for
49, and left to General Hurbut to be adjusted in
his discretion, consistent In its essential features
with that submitted by the agents of the French Credit
Industrlel Mr. Eyars, and by him recommended to
Tho witness-The only understanding that ever had
in regard possible inclusion OF the Credit lndustrie
scheme in programme approved by Secretary
Blaine conveyed by the Secretary himself in his
illusions to the matter wncn were very Ia IN the rs
and 10 the effect that under no circumstances
whatever should he render the slightest aid
sstance TO the Credit Indusriel. Nothing within my
knowledge at the time that the dispatch was read TO me
would have led Inc to suppose think, aud certainly
nothing did lead suppose that the reference to
friendly powers intended To include any reference to
either corporations In or IN On the
hand dd understand them 10 refer exclusively TO
MIR BeImont-when your first interview with
The wtness-My impression Is that IL was sometime In
September He referred TO the Of Iandreau
of those that he had "a dim recollection before
Congress- aud 10 extent before the Executive dur
ing his Administration. lie did not enlarge upon
merits did at any time speak with decision with
regard merits OF the Cochet claim though he
examined 1t protested TO have an opinion to its
final merits.
Mr.. Belmont-what DID nc say about the Landreau |
claim
The wtness-He spoke generally In reference to both
claims and made no distinction between the claims.
Mr.. Belmont-Did you not know chat the claimant }. |
c. andreau, appointed Consul To Santiago de Cuba
duruQ General Grants Administration
The wtness-I have heard it, and have assumed that
ID must be so. $3.50,