New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1882-04-14
REFUSING TO NAME THE STOCKHOLDERS.

Q-was Senator Blair aware at any time OF the per-
sonnet Of your companyi A-only In part
Odd he not know who your stockholders were
A-Ony incidentally and to few individuals. He
never knew anything like complete list OF them
Q,-And you refuse to those gentlemen Al
refuse to enter at all personal concerns OF tho
Peruvian Company.
with the Peruvian Companyi Al do. $500.
,9-You and senator Blair qnderstood did ypa not;
written to your views % TO the secretary
Senator Blair said to me that he 20 understood
Dia yoa have any with ths agent q
have had number Of ov ertures brought to me by gen
tlemen who were intimate with Mr. suarez, the recog-
preliminary overtures. never made any response
to them. / never met him personally
QThen you did not adopt the suggestion of the Sec
rotary TO trade with those fellows Al did not,
Q.-What did the Secretary advise yon to do A-Hs
ready made which might he utilized by and
might perhaps be Of special advantage to US as had
ganzation was entirely inchoate. received the
suggestion as made But no responsible overtares came
attend to- and certainly had no disposition TO make any
Q~YoG were satisfied with things as they were
o-You had no reason to doubt Mr. Baines fidelity to
December that he did not regard you as sufficiently re-
10 you 9r an ATTEMPT y az
that letter as testimony. SPOKE OF Mr; Elaine sa
he has held
Mr. Belmont handed the witness copy OF The Ner-
York Herald of January 81, and the witness after ex-
amning IL stated that the portion OF the interview for
which he was responsible began at the subtitle, "a
second interview" and that all which followed was ac-
Mr. Belmont-I read from this interview: Why did
Mr. Blaine attack you so savagely ~ "Excuse me from
answering that now" "D0 you knowp 81 do"
will that GOMEZ ~ "That depends on Mr.. blaine" O.
Are you responsible for that statementi Al am.
Q-s not this the time to tell Alt does not seem
to me TO be the time.
Q.-Then you think you may choose your own time
Al said it depended upon Mr Blaine, and mean ex
Q.-What did you mean by that A.-something that
lies entirely within my own mind. II Mr. Blaine takes
certain positions at certain times in certain connections,
shall nave something to say. am waiting for him to
WHY BLAINE ATTACKED SHEPHERD.
Mr.. Belmont ask you why Mr. Blaine attacked
you so savagely in that letter of December g.
The witness-I have my own opinion about 1t, which
/ characterized in that interview as kn0wl
edge 1t is knowledge within certain lmita-
lions. After all it il matter which when brought to
the last analysis opinion rather than of absolute
knowledge On the whole record, disclosed and undis
belief that the secretary Of state intended in absolute
good faith to cooperate with me as be always intnated
suggested, implied and declared that he would up to
about November II. Nothing occurred during the
whole summer II give that as general fact which war
ranted suspicion that he in all respects
When the letter of December reached (which was
perhaps the 9th or 9TH Of Decembe IL fell upon like
a bolt from clear sky; and unable Tor days 90
account to myself for it. could not imagine what had
happened III had then been aware OF the correspond
which passed between Mr.. IIurlbut aud Mr. Blaine
up TO the o part Gt should Lave
shed until long after received that letter. and was
therefore in entire Ignorance of The opinion which
finally came to with reference 10 reason for TINS change
of base therefore, matied after considerable
time only And 1t Is this: l think that Secretary |
Blaine looked upon this scheme without going abso- |
utey into its merits in detaiD something that might
justment of the quarrel between Peru and Chilli
think that he intended to insert this claim, as Il were
between the teeth Of Chill (Which understood him to
consider as deyouring ion) In such way
as to compel Chill TO make q reasonable
To commit himself definitely as TO the merits Of the claim
at all understood HIM to assume that the merits OF
the claim sufficiently good to authorize him 10 do
what lie did dOto carry 1t along in such shape that 1t
might be under his hand when the moment came for him
The charman-Tnen your opinion was that the aim
and object OF the Secretary were purely political In THIS
The witness-I for a moment supposed that Sec
retary Blaine intended and expected to have any per-
sOna relation or interest in this claim whatever I'M
derstoOd him all along as thinking that at the proper
time he should interfere In the Of the United States
should compel settlement, and that he calculated
officially to bring this claim ia in proper diplomatic
The chairman-Then the only use which he expected |
to make of II was for official purposes
Enthusiastically. There was nothing that ever gave
any other suggestion to my mind
The chairman-Notbing ever occurred between you !
different from that or which produced different i'm
Tue witnoss-No nothing ever came to my mind at
any time suggesting that he calculated in any way nd
Yldualy utilize this claim III Dchalf OF himself. L
thought that he looked at IT, as head OF the Cabinet for
political purposes and purely political purposes Now
when went TO him IN October with reference 10 Cen
er Hurbu and brought to his attention charges
against General Hurbut, did notice what thought
very remarkable change in his manner. AS have al
ready Indicated he addressed to me language which
then considered and still consider positively discoreOs
amazed the Secretary talk III that way aud
asked myself immediately, " nat can this mean =
The suggested was You have struck somebody
who Is very near the Secretary. You have put your
finger part which, though not on the Secretary's
person. nevertheless very sensitive to him. He does
fohn fna aOp yOIs II
atons OF that kind III reference 10 General huriDuI
This impression deeply confirmed when Ne re-
ported the result of his going 70 the bottom IN the IN
Qulry he was to make thought that II tnat was inc
way which he made the investigation 1t was aDso-
utey that he did not choose TO find out any facts
that might be disagreeable.
SHEPHERDS DEFENCE OF HURLBUT.
AZ the interview with the Secretary either in October
nv November something was said that brought up the
subiect of General Hurbuts official reputation and
said: Mr. Secretary have not hesitated TO defend
General Hurbut and especially with reference to his
to Admiral Lynch. am asserting in
season and out OF season that he has done
just what you told him" He seemed
bed Ills hands Initiating the motonl, smiled very
cordially and after moments hesitation sad zen
tlemen there various ways TO give dlpomatlc III,
sruotions We only write on the lines, but trained
diplomat will read between the lines and sometimes he
These facts made profound impression on my mind
after received the letter OF December 3 thought
saw how Secretary Blaine could deem il proper to lead
Minister lead such man myself, on certain line
up 10 certain point, and then drop hun When General
Hurbut up all my letters, the impression MADE on
my mind that he had concluded that nobody was
going to Lima TO constre that letter OF June
sent everything up; and the Secretary
then took up the same keynote when in response to my
reaching for General Hurbut's official head he struck
me in the face a very strong blow -, A.
On the Sd OF December the time had come when the
stay in the Cabinet any longer. The time had come
when IT was clear TO MN that neither ne n ,h h