New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1882-11-25
NEWS FROM FOREIGN LANDS.
lively DEBATE IN THE COMMONS.

A lively he COti"OA''
- n, .nsToSE GOVERNMENT AND THE " KILMAiN-
AZ. rRvArYv-rHE PROCEDURE RULES
-yYrvrs IN A CATHEDRAL-srILL LOYAL TO
nan, pAcuA-FATAL ACCIDENT NEAR LONDON
In the House of Commons yesterday some
,rejv scenes followed q revival of the ques'ioh
90 the "Kilmainham Treaty" MIR. forke IN
'....d that there was an understanding be-
..Soon .S tbe Government and the Irish members.
AZ Gladstone replied saying that there was
no negotiation, promise or engagement oup-
seouently the last two OF the proceuuie
niles were carried. 1t is feared that there
will he much distress in Ireland TINS wiii.ef'
Many treasures have been stolen rom III.
Cathedral of ST. Denis in Paris. 1t is reported
tbat the Egvptian recruits refuse to go 10 .he
sondan unless Arab Pacha is their commander.
Seven workmcn have been killed by the 1aii vi
railway bridge near London
nSrovr AND THE IRISH MEMBERS.
,,vrYv p,scussIoN REGARDING THE hiL" ~
,ro,,.rvr-sprEoHEs BY GLADSTONE, LORD
n.vno,pu CHURCHILL AND OTHERS - oIhhH
TOPICS. sco,,n,o,s this
,oSnov. Nov. 24.-In the House OF ofConimcnS ,n''
-i."rnoon Mr.. Trevelyan. Chief Secretary 10, nc
- sn,, ing to question by Sr. Heaiy' siu Sn''
''uN , ,,,st last all the copies OF Ihe TtSm "o'"
sn.V ~ Ir;.b Nafiop Which had arrived IN lrelaho
ma hssn sized but the stoppage OF the crcua''oh
As,, &c ,,ose pseers in England was unnecessary
~, C,adstone In answer to Mr.. BOurke. SAID that
Encouragement had been completed WIN EeSp'
Ia thar no conference had been proposed
Mr. yorke moved the adjournment OF the HOUSE III
~. 60 d;scuss the conduct of the Government
o'usa sa,ora 10 The Kilmainham affair. The Con-
-ra,;ves and Irish members rose in support OF the
was
a ohears Mr. Yorke then spoke IN support Oh his
motion. oooa;,os in
ss reviewed at length the previous proceedings IN
uo,oe Mr. Yorke was repeatedly interrupted
hr Liberals rising to points of orders Inc speaker
,.,sa that Mr. Yorke was In order. Inc scene d.
.,n,as gas very lively. Mr.. Yorke said LIE oiu ho1
oontand that there was any secret treaty put 'ha
.bere were communications and UNDERSTANDINGS anu
,o,otations and givlngs and takines Dy polh slues
These really constituted treaty, although the ooV
'o,,. ,,tl, n certain amount of verbal accuracy,
hod nersstently denied that any treaty existed lie
charged Mr. Gladstone with putting on scre" 10
nravent discussion of his (Mr. forkesl mouoh' anu
warned blm that career. however dlstlnguisheo'
woull prevent Premier from mourning 'ne uS' III
S;Onation Of the country if he was relaxed by an
atmosphere of adulation to think he could depart
from arrangements openly entered into before the
House and the country. "
Mir Gladstone replied to Mr.. YoEke he said 'nat
,b undeserved praise of his friends cOunteracted
nv the continual accusations OF Lord Randolph
Churchill and Mr. Yorke, but it required much
sharper weapons and heavier blows than MI 1orKe
eould WELD TO arouse his anger. He compiaiheu
that those who made accusations about the MI
nainAam treaty had not brought them to the test
st the nroper time He repudiated the charge that
his will was law to the Liberal party.
Mr.. Gladstone warmly contended that it was the
duty of the Government to catch at any paclhc III
dications on the part of the imprisoned members
that would enable the Government TO release them.
Ve maintained, however, that no COMMUNICATION
had passed from the Government to Mr.. Parnell on
The subect. Mr. Parnell had not obtained or sought
from the Government any information either in re-
card IN his coming release concerning any meas
nre intended by the Government HIS only knowl-
edge was what he might have gathered IRON 'h9
newspapers. There was no negotiation, PROMISE Vi
Vr Forster maintained thathe bad taken the right
view in regard TO the imprisonment OF Mr.; PaIneil
Lord Randolph Churcnill SAID that the house w1S
not a whit wiser after Mr. GladstoncS speech
The transaction was so diSgracefui that Earl COW
per the late Lord Lieutenant OF Ireland, ana MT
Forster Chief Secretary had resighea "ee tSs
light Having challenged an inquiry, the Oo'cIh-
ment now used every artifice TO av9IG IT, c,-,.
After considerable dscussiOu Messrs ChaDlih
and Edward Clarke, Conservatives, ana othsr ihel-
bers insisting upon the necessity for an inquiry
MIR Yorke offered TO withdraw his motlon ior an an
journmant The Government refused TO accept
withdrawal and the motion was negatived without
division.
TIE LAST OF THE PROCEDURE RULES CARRIED
The consideration of the closure question was
resumed in the House tonight. The eleventh ana
twelfth rules the last two of the procedure rules,
were carried.
Rule IL provides that, on reading the "order of
the dayD for the consideration of bill amended,
the House do proceed TO consider the same without
question put unless the member in charge thereof
shall desire 10 postpone MS c0nsideratio vi hooe
has been gwen 10 TecOmmit the bill
Rule II provides that whenever the Commlttee m
of Supply appointed for the consideration OF the or
dinary Army, Navy and Civil Service estimates
stands as the iirs, Order of the Day on Monday,
The Speaker shall leave the chair without pu' tlng
any question. unless amendment be noVed OF
question raised relating 10 the estimates proposed
to be taken In supply, on first gong INTO Com
mtee Oh the Army, Navy and Ciyll Services re-
speetiyely
DISTRESS IN IRELAND FEARED.