New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1882-06-15

Mr.. TREsCoT TO Mr.. RANDALL
Q-Can you not give us the substance OF tnose o''e
Ayes and without any hesitation But re"e'noo'
that know nothing OF what happened between MI
Blaine and Mr. Randall. / was never present al any
conversation between them Their statements must
stand for what they are worth II had supposed tnat
any question OF this sort wond have Decn put W ho
would have preferred TO bring the letters. -.
O"IIaye You copies OF them 7 Al have copy OF
letter, not OF the other: MI Randa was u ' ,ht
impression las inferred from his letter 10 me, that
there had been certain relations existing between
the state Department and himself as to the acton W I
the Government would take In support OF the SIeS
dusrel He thought that that action went 70 cer'"
point and he testified to TINT effect As
thought that after those relations had been
he supposed, Mr. Blaine, in taking up tno hah h ~
claim pressing it upon the two governments mao III
terfered with tho Credit ndustel 10 its disadvantages
That the first point to which he called my a.'o ,
ton told him that did not see 1t, and DO no' Seo
80, eli.
Mr. Bemont-You mean that the plans Of tho Credit credit
Industriel were not nerered wi h. Did YOU ascel,
tain how he Thought that they interfered
wthf A.-Mark ypu. did not undertake to say wnat
Randall were. merely stat, d that, far as under
stood him to explain the plans OF the Credit IN
interfered with those plans In point OF TACT e ques
ton has never reached practical confederation me
Credit Industrel, understood II, made an OHer 10
Peru to this effect If you can reach negouation win
Chill which Chill will consent to receive and Xon pay
. Indemnity instead oil cedlng territory TO chill we
will furnish you with the means to make that payment
Q.-And you say that the Credit lndustriel was the
only company that could do that A.-Ihe Credit In
dustrel far as can see, was the only company that
could nave effected that
O-Dd you not know that the date of the letter Of
Instructions of June 15i A-Iimagine that did
Odd YOU graft those Instructions Al do not rec
Q-IIad you any knowledge that Mr. Randall T Mr
OF those III tructions, that Mr. Gilmore or MI
suarez knew anything OF them at the time my w VT,
Elnore OF Mr. Mr. saarez knew about the instructions.
ODD yon have no conference or conversation wled
theni A-Wth reference to the Instructions issued
o"No do not say that but did you have any con-
o~-On the subject OF Mr.. Elmore'5 mission hero in
reference the Credit Iudustrcl Al had good zeal
Of conversation with DR. Lmore on the SUBJECT Oh MS
Odd ySn have any conversation with Mr.. snarez
A.-Not further than that Mr.. SuareZ was with MI
Fillmore, because | considered Mr.
suarez the representative OF Peru. But ne was
present often at the CONGREGATIONS winch Lhore
Odd Mr. Randall have any conversation with you
Ayes; had conversations with Mr. Randall as to the
plans proposed by the Credit lnduStile 49, 81, - ~,
Q.-Was that previous to the instruction OF June 10
Oven was III Al cannot tell you without going
through the corrcspondence think ii was before the
letter of June Is My impression Is that u was some
time I'm the spring. -. -,
Q-The recognition of Mr. Elmore az special agent OF
CalderOn was, / think, on May 4-sOmetlme between
May and 10 Do you recoect whether at that lline
YOU had any conference with him or with Mt SuTcI
A-Confcrences mean one thing, and conversations all
Dwell conversations. Ayes; had plenty of con-
versatiOns with Dim.
PURPOSES OF THE CREDIT INDUsTRTEL
Odd he explain you the purposes Of the Credit
Industriell Al think that both Mr. Gilmore and Mr.
Randall xpained that the object Of the Credit In
Odd you understand that Calderon was in favor OF
that plan A-No. l do not think that anything was
said to me about it.
O-Didyou understand that Calderon opposed toi2
Al have no recollection all OF any position Of Mr.
Calderon The subject being reported to me-
Odd YOU understand that Gilmore was the special
agent of Calderon Ayes, president of the Pro-
y.sional Government
O@The Provisional Government had not been recog-
niHed at that time A.-We, it must have been rccog-
nized very nearly about that time The instructions
vent to Gnrsancy and CLrstiancy took one Of his
points the fact that Elmore hal been recognized.
Mr. BelmOnt-l Will read what ChIlstlahcy SAID ABOUT
Mr. Kasson asked whether that pertinent to the
Air. Belmont said that it was; 1t IVA, was
in order To snow , What grounus tutre
had been for recognizing the Calderon Government,
which the American Minister at Peru had declared TO be
neither a Government ne aeto nor de Jure and also to
SHOW that the representative OF what they called the
Provisional Government was also representative OF IN"
Credit Iudustriel. lilo also understood mat Mr.
Chstiancy had been Instructed To recognize that Coy
eminent. Mr.. Irescct who drafted tue nispatcA pi ne
did sol had had conferences with Mr Gilmore ana he
also told the committee that there were 10 pas 30 lar
as nis Judgment VENT, W, i, ~ o., 40 ~
Mr. ReImont tcontnuine)-That could have been
| terminated In any negotiations
MI TrescOt (again interrupting)-oh no; did not
say ~ th Racclmont-state what you did say.
Mr TrrscotMy idea as to the capacity OF the Credit
Indsrel depends not Hg0a any ta1S iat nealu mere
cones3 e tbot the Credit industrie was the only
agency that promised any relief to Peru IN case
n Ihe he ~ TO bay u war indemnify.
Su " aid YOU understand that TO be the case when
,b Ictter of instruction Of June II was prepared A
Thai was the only financial agency that, tuinR have
90 o-TLen that the one contemplated
in the instructions Of June ., l5; That lbs Is
fns answers that questions ieadns from the letter ot
lime l5-Mr Blaine 10 Mr. HurlbuU " As youare aware
more than one proposition mas peeh suDhiitseu 10 ne
nnsdeTaon Of this Government looking to friendly In
PREVENTION by which ieru mig IT be enabled 10 meet Tue
00'"what proposition was that Al take 1t for
orntcd il was tho chief proposition There may nave
been others of which knew nothing IL was inc s"ho
| proposition had been made To- Mr.. Lyarts, 1,,..
and that was by the Credit lndustrelf A-Ihat
| 7 link was nv the Credit Indus'rcL 40
~ Therefore it was not necessary to put in the title
of Inc company in order that the Minister at Lima should
u, tT What financial agency referred TO A.
THAT do not know. do not know what Mt HurDui
k.nwIedge on the subject WAS would nave understood
| it. but cannot undertake to say what MI HurIbut
would have understood: 10 uo,,, ,o,o understood e.
O-Your belief is that he would nave undersloou IL
| Al should think so. - A., o,,,. =,
Odd he not have some knowledge OF the Credit In
| dusfrielf Ale never exchanged word Win me on
&C Q oS would have supposed unnecessary
I'm pun general dispatch nko that, yes.
Wonid not have thought OF putting in the title OF the
COMPANY until such point reached as that def
| nite plan could be submitted.
oFThls dispatch was written long before you left
Washington A.-Yes, but dispatches were written
while was here that had nothing to do with: II the
Dadches i'm the state Department will look through the
papers aud YOU but do not think the committee has
Belmont g. ts Mr. 0G% TG.iSs Would we're be
| such q competent Wltness Oh tHs
subect and should think so too, especially as ne hAu
THIS subiect in charge We have understood all along
that he had the most important dispatches and
The mOs important, OF course, were the Instructions
Mr. IRE scoi-Yon must understand That letter signed
NV tbe secretary State isthe Secretary OF states
| The chairman thought 1t unnecessary to argue the
noint and asked Mr. Belmont what the question was.
| Mr. Remopt-I want to know whether Mr.. 1roscot
drafted this dispatch OF June To- because thnk that LII
| that case he would perfectly well understand It.
MIR Blount remarked that lie had understood Mr. Tres
cot TO saw that he did recOect and he thought that
| that shOud end II. 49, =, u - -
| Mr. Belmont-I waiting for Mr.. Trescot TO say
| whether he did draft that dispatch.
| MIR Tresoot-I am inclined 10 think that did but
would not like positively without looking over
the dlsnatoh But ask whether that is fair question
| We asked draft dispatch,