Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1882-01-17

triotic object Although not understood,it was
allowed to pass without dissent. He quoted
I from the debates upon it to show the maxi
mum which any member believed it would
cost was 100000, while $4,000, 900 or
Sc, DOC, 600 were the highest figures mentioned
In the senate. He asked whether the senate
did not believe the fraud was committed when
he, as one of the members, was induced to
vote upon a measure upon the belief which
subsequent developments had shown to be en-
tirely unwarranted. He assumed no member
imagined the results, that legislation would be
what they are, and that If it had been
intimated (what is now stated by the commits
cent of the total of arrears would be paid out
In fraudulent claims not q vote would have
been given for the bill.
| He reminded senator's that when the bill
| came from the house to the senate the latter
body was flooded with petitions and printed
headings purporting to come from various
parts of the country. These, he asserted,
were gotten up by pension agents In Wash
| ingtOn, and by them circulated through the
country for signatures, in order to create
pressure upon the senate.
Senator Ingalls, inquired of Beck his author
| ity for the statement just made.
Senator Beck replied by reading from the
| report of the commissioner of pensions in
1879, showing the existence of pension agents
bureaus. He added the adoption of the reso-
| luton would be equivalent to telling the house
| it might as well cease to consider oil amend
ments of the law as the senate had committed
| itself against them.
Senator Ingalls-If majority of the senate
| think with the senator that the arrears bill
was fraud and that every man who voted for
| 1t was an ignorant and selfish coward an inv-
tation will be given the house to pass their
bill.
Dbl IA &Io4
deceived by scheme concocted by interested
outsiders, and asked Ingalls, if he didn't be-
lieve when he voted for It the act would not
| involve an aggregate expenditure of over
81, OOO, 900, or at farthest $30,0OO,OO0.
Senator Ingalls, replied that the statement
was imputed to him in the press and else
where, If the bill passed that its operations
| would not require upwards of $19,000,0 900,
but he had never made any such statement.
upon the roll who had been deprived of PEN
| sions to which they had been entitled to were
given arrears they had earned up to the time
of the passage of the bill it would reach about
Sic, 00O, 900, and if previously existing limita-
lions were removed, a definite statement of
the total cost could be made as to the number
of future applications could not be foreseen.
Senator Beck repeated the estimates and
totals for the years 1879 and 1880, as made by
the secretary of the interior and pension COM
missioner, taken in connection with the state
ments made in the debate, supported the view
he had taken.
Senator Ingalls, then asked what had frauds
or expenditures to do with the principle on
which pension arrearges were based.
Senator Beck said he had never disputed the
principle of the bill that would give all our
soldiers, who fought on the same field, the
same pensions.
Senator Ingalls-That is all the arrearage
law does.
Senator Beck-But would not allow law
stand which affords means for committing
frauds.
Senator ingalls, here explained the act had
not changed the pension laws, but merely
regulated the time for commencement of pen
sions. The senator admitted the law to be
just, and the inference from his position
seemed to be that votes of the senate should
be governed by the consideration as to how
much and whether more Or less such law
would cost.
Senator Beck asked whether single senator
who voted for it believed The law would cost
one tenth of what 1t had cost.
Senator Ingalls, would have voted for it
if it had cost $500 900, 600. I will to-day vote
to allow any claim of soldiers that
is established to run back to the time his disa-
bility was Incurred, whether it costs $500, 000-
600 or 81, O0O, 900, 900.
Seaator Beck again repeated his question.
Senator Ingalls, replied that he did not atthe
time know what the arrearages would cost,
but that when the measure was just he would
indorse it regardless of what It might cost.
At this point, Senator Beck having asked for
twenty minutes tomorrow to complete his re-
marks. the discussion closed for the present.
The Sherman funding bill was laid over as the
unfinished business for tomorrow.
A bill was introduced by Senator Cockrell
to amend the homestead and presumption
laws by requiring claimants for agricultural
entries, before final proofs are submitted to
file with the registers of the land Office notice
of intention to make proofs, and requiring
copies of such notices to be posted in the
registers Office for thirty days.
Senator Cameron, Philadelphia, delivered
thirty minutes speech on the gen.
eral subject of taxation, internal and
eternal, taking as his text
his pending resolution declaring it is expedi-
emit to reduce the revenue by abolishing all
existing internal revenue taxes except those
upon high wines and distilled spirits. His
remarks were partly insudible at the report
ers' desk opposite, but he was understood to
oppose any material change in the tariff on
maintenance depended much of the improve
ment and comfort of our laboring classes. AS
to the pension arrears act he believed it ought
never to be repealed, and never could be. His
resolution was then referred to the committee
on finance.
After executive session the senate adjourned
until tomorrow.