Sacramento daily record-union., 1882-01-16

space for the water, so that in times of high flood
the leyees back the water up. When the Ievee
give away there IL q great deal Of damage to tn
country In my judgment, if there we're no levee
| at all on she Sacramento river in the Sacrament
valley there would have been less damage done Il
| the farmers.
| Q-How do you know that the leyee system ha
| not been successful!
| A.-By examining the levees and travelingtbrougl
the country, and By my experience in the coHstruc
| Q-Do understand you-by observation and ex
periencei
| A.-Yes
| Q.Have you bad experience in levee cons.ruc
Al have had some.
Q.-Wben, and wberef
| A--On the south bank Of the Yuba river.
| Q.-What ievees we you examined?
| Al have examined the levees on the Sacrament,
river, on the west and east side of it. have ex
amined the levees on the west side Of the Fs the
rver IN Sutter county, and the levees the soutf
| side OF Bear river.
Q.-And at other placest
| A.-And ut other places
| Q.-What effect has mining had on the efficiency
| OF the levee system?
| Al do not think it had anything to do with the
efficiency of the levee system in the Sacramento
valley-say through Sutter, Coiusa or Yolo.
| S-Have ievees been broken by reason OF mining
or oy reason OF the great foods that came from the
A. They have been broken by reason of the great
Hoods and the high waters, and the mode of con
structing them and the location Of the levees had
| a great deal to do with it,
Q.-Hive you examined the bays OF San Fran
cisco San Francisco bay and SAP Pablo bay2
Al have examined San Pablo bay.
Q-When?
A.-on the 7th of last November-.he 7th or stb.
Q-What besides the greIt Hoods OF waters that
have come down from the mountains have caused
the leyees to breaki
A.-The fencing up Of o great many Of the old
water ways These sloughs that used to carry the
high floods OF water in the winter have been
obstructed by bnildmg levees across ends OF them
next to the river.
Q.-Are not there other causesf Animals, gophers
and squirrels?
Al SUI pose there are those causes: gophers
and squirrels work in the natural soil In Ieyees
built out OF the sediment coming from the noun.
tains do not think gophers and saur els work any
Q-Then the Sc ment would prevent the gophers
and squirrels from working in them?
A-Fbat has been my Judgment
Q-You say You visited san Pablo bay:
A.-Yes. San Pabls bay.
Q.-For what purpose did you visit that bay?
Al went there in connection with several other
gentlemen, and with Captain Faulkner, to examine
for myself and ascertain whether th,re was any
mining sediment in San Pablo Bay, or in the vicn-
ity. Understanding it was generally said through.
out the state that the mining debris going down
into the bay and harbor, wanted to see for myself
had quite an interest in finding out
Q.-How did you go!
Al went on the steamer.
Q.-How many others went with you for the pur-
pose Of making the examination?
A.-Captain Faulkner and about seven other gen.
tlemen.
Q.-was an examination made,
A.-Yes. helped take up some myself.
Q.-Was it a thorough and practical examination!
Al would pronounce it such.
Q.-What did you do?
a.. We took up fifteen eighteen samples from
San Pablo Bay.
Q.-what did you find,
Ave found kind of black blush mud
Q-Do you know what m ming debris is-mnng
sediment
Al think do, il would see it.
Q.-State whether you found in these fifteen or
more samples that were taken from San Pablo Bay
any mining grit or mining sediment.
Al examined every one Of the samples myself.
found no mining grit or mining sediment in them.
Q.-What was the character of the samples, with
reference to the lands surrounding San Pablo Bay
and the natural wash Of the country?
A.-Well, it would appear to me it was from the
natural wash and the tule around the bay.
There no mineral grit in them, no mineral sedi-
ment at all that could see with the eye by feel
ing. felt every sample that was taken there and
found no mining grit in it. The only grit found
in it was some shell.
Q-Shell grit?
A.--Yes.
with reference to the currents Il the bay?
A.-raptan Faulkner said they were taken in the
currents OF the bay.
Q.-R'ght in the currents OF the bay2
A.-Yes. That was the object. And that was
what be told me and told the other gentlemen that
were taking them out
Q.-And there was no mining grit or sediment in
those samples that taken up2
Al did not find a trace of any mining grit or
sediment in them.
Odd you take these samples yourself, or were
they taken by he other gentlemen in your presence7
Al helped to take every one of the samples my
self and examined every one OF them before the
samples were put IN the bottles Before any OF them
were disposed Of at all / examined every sample
which was taken out myself
Q.-Where else, except in the current that Cap
tain Faulkner told you Of. did you get samples?
We took som, from the mouth of Sonoma
creek ana Petalume creek
Q.-What did you find the character OF the
samples which you get in Petaluma creek?
AUST about the same rs we got from San
Pablo bay.
Q-How in Souoma creek?
A.-About the same
Q.-Was there any perceptible difference,
A.-No perceptible d ference that could see. 1t
all this blush black mud
Q.-And mining grit or sediment in it?
A.-No mining grit or sediment that could see
fCross examination by Mr.. Cadwalader)
Q.-You have always lived in Snartsville have
you not?
A-well, made Smartsvle my home. have
been around the State great deal.
Q.-you have not lived any place else
Al have not made any othei place my home.
only Smartsvile. since have been here.
Q.-That is about how far from Marysvile?
A. Eighteen miles, by stage road.
Q-You have always had charge Of large hy
draulic mine have you notS
Al have had charge Of a hydraulic mine for the
past twenty years.
Q.-It tails in the Yuba
A-Yes
Q-lt is one Of the defendants in the suit of the
city of Marysville?
A-Yes
O-One of the enjoined mintsi
1.-Ses. ~
Q.-Latteriy, you have been trying to impound
your debris, have you not
Al have.
Q-It is a great success, is it mott
Alt has been a success as far as it went.
Q-And it has been adopted by your company
Alt has been adopted by my company on two of
our mines.
Q-And you tail into there when you wash? You
cali that a corral do you'
Ave do. We call it q working reservoir.
Q-You have expires ed an opinion number OF
times that your mine could iInpound its tailings,
have you not
Al have. Those mines can.
Q.-Your tine can?
Al mean those two mines. Inc company has
six seven mines.
Q.-I am speaking about your mines.
a Wei, The C mpany am connected with has
six seven mines
o.-When YOU said in reply to Mr.. Dibble that
the mines on the Yuba could not be worked without
they were permitted to tail into the streams, you
did not have in your eye your own mnes did you
Al had my mines There are only two OF
our own mines where we can keep the material out
OF the Yuba-two out of eight.
Q-wnen did you adopt the system Ct impound-
ing your own debris!
Mr. Dibble--Tbis is not in cross-examiDation l
did not ask about his impouuding his tailings, or
the practicability OF DAMS want counsel to under
stand now that he opens the doors so that we
come in and prove that dams can be built the
rivers for the purpose Of iupoundng debris. With
that understanding am perfectly willing the coun.
sci should go ir,to it
Mr. Cadwalader-There Is no opening the door to
it. The witness said expressly that the hydrs rsuic
mines could not be worked without they were per
mitted to wash their tailings into the principal
streams. So it is cross examination.
MR. Dibble-If it is permitted, shall ask the
Court for the privilege OF showing that system of
dams can be erected on the rivers to impound the
debris
Mr. Cadwalader-Your mine is the Excelsior mine
at Smartsve, is it not?
A-The xcelsior Water and Mining Company.
Q-it is the largest mine on tie river, with the
exception Of three, is it not?
A-Well, take all the MINIS in connection with
US, about Of the largest mining properties on
the river. But there are seven eight mines.
Q.-It is hydraulic mine, is it uai2
Alt is a group Of hydranl mines togethrr
Q-Do you say none OF the material put in the
streams comes down?
A l say there is not any material to put in from
the bottom chaI mel, from the blue gravel; that
there is very small trace of it that could find its
way to the rivers.
Q-Do you say that it has not injured the naviga.
ton of the Feather and Sacramento
Al cannot zee how il has
o DO Won saV il has rot init1red any nf the val.