New-York tribune., 1882-04-09

draft Of cable message TO be sent viii produce
II the committee desire but have not got II here
Mr. Receive tho substance oi II. a., ,r.,,
The witness-I would rather present The oriena urn,
for special reasons: Before came 20 Cavt v
and asked his Judgment about IL. also suomItteu
TO several gentlemen With whom was In anhit
to the Secretary of state General Grant indorsct ms
SRGn v the he ssa Ssf tS S5 submit III the draft with
indorsemcnt did not present to tAe Grant SaS
STATE the draft nSE TS have been "eae
and improper II nothing 70 the secretary 1
what private citizen might ihnS Sa sSen approvSd lie
read Though threw II down ana sald SCI ' - IN
Congress next winter But here. Henry" turning 10 the
Senator have yon penciF Inc senator , yrnte nm
The arm Of his chair adispaich-suhstanally this:
Reports reach that you conducting yoursch
conduct is dsapproved and must instantly cease ,
think" sad he. that that is fne thing nc, to send. Sc i
ceive If Minister That VIII ietch eim uI. ~ !,
will do the business" Very we'll Mr. secretary sad sara
enough % q" agree with the Secretary that it IL quite
as sharp as should wish to receive" said he: "Ihst
you may assured Of that think that that was the
substance OF what passed on this topic a east III 'nat
Mr.. Rce-was that draft which he wrote and
read to you substantially the dispatch which appears III
tie printed volume the dispatch which he sent 49,,
TIE wness-Thc next tune saw senatcr bIsr @ ne IKE 1u %
that the Secretary told him that ne had seht 'e us
patch just as he had drafted It, . =. ,,..
Mr. Wson-Iad Senator Blair been present at mat
The witness-Yes sir; and tho dlspaeh pnblshed "a
entirely different thing from that winch lne secretary
of your postion must not used in favor of the Credit
Indusiie, of any other speculative @ , h
The neAt time that met the sceretary he sad 10 me
la! Heard from stevel e. m,, os'iT'S i told
YOU would 90 to tie bottom OF IT, ne rays lnrle u
nothing in it at all Now ihat Is the end ol IT, ana ies i
never hear ANYTHING more about IT," Ihat ~ iaf as
know, s the Investigation when WAS cohuuc.eu III wv
premises aud il the result oil H. me neTTct3 nItr' lin
Noffh he
nor asked me for any information in the matter o,
rMr. Ricc-WhO were the persons whom you name"
to the Secretary having ths inforiaatoni
The witncs-I would like to give their names privately
70 the committee with reference To their being sum
moned il it should best But, they are private
citizens do not think 1t quite necessary 10 puDsh lhe
names the whole country The information Is al the
command OF the committee it be Of any service
Mr. Ece-If yOa choose to Withhold their names ior
the present will pass on.
TIE LAST INTERVIEW WITH MR. BLAINE.
Mr. Rcc-IIave you exhausted entirely your rccolec-
ton Of the interview Of October l3i
The witncss-No. sir. My mind has been directed to
this single topic At present recall nothing further in
connection with this topic on the evening o November
(as my memorandum las ~ was again win tne sec
fhc leading topics OF the conversaton The interview
lasted about two hours appo1lmatey-romS O'Clock 10
Mr. Orll-Who present at that interview
The witness-Senator Blair aud william Ciey
The witness-Of course, from hearsay only. IIo
represented direct interest with me He was for many
Mr Cley and John Meigs control the Arroyo Railway
andn connection with IL they nave lomg esc & o, & tne
ing interest are the large interests which MIR. Cluey
represents He has no direct Interest with us Dut only
REGARDS our scheme a means OF making his properly
valuable had suggested to Mr.. Ciley that he
would welcome to come WITH me OF tbs TIP SO nat
TO the real attitude of the United states Government
toward our scheme. That an important question
viii hin of course and he wished gain light that
subject With that view be attended TINS interview
lie and Senator Blair had been schoolmates together
in hampshire years ago Ghey had had boyhood
ac1uaintance, which was renewed at that lime re-
Inemb,r that at that interview Senator Blair sail 10
the secretary: Here is gentleman chockfu OF first
class Information in regard to Peru, ana he
sTsGse eTsGfs.ed pretty city fully in asking But
this suggestion seemed to pieet with re-
between the Secretary aud Mr. Cllley. The time was
occupied with the discussion OF Peruvian Company IN
tere.s generally AT this interview, remember mat
suggestion made by the Secretary wnIch made
deep impression on my mind IL was toward tne atter
mari OF inc evening The conversation had been very
iSG Mr. RcIIad You not better give the conversation in
The 1rtncss-I do not think could undertake to give
II chronologicaly. There special topic | re-
member wien was so discussed make deep i'm
preston on my mind ut tho tiine but towards the
walking up and down tho parlor, stopped
suddenly and addressing me said: snip
herd 10 you know you have got something tney haven't
all 90. ~ Thank you. Mr. secretary, What may that
be 70 drew up chair sat down close III 'front.' OF me
ard putting himself very closely To- me- IeanlhG over SO
that MS face almost in face, he struck me on the
knee friendly way aud SAID :, Patience, SIR IS what
you got aud there are very te" Of thcm wuo nave
got it, And want to give You soIne more advice
mat Will not cost y0n h0u Tcrv Eeer
that the Chiian Minister comes to the state Department
to sec me- notice that his chair ia little hotter than
was before, and the fire under 1t ls the re OF the
Peruvian Company. He can't stand 1t much longer.
Now, II you be pacat, shiphrrd, In little wne
MARTINEZ will drop into your lap Ike ripe apple See
That Was substantially close of the last considera
Bile interview had with the Secretary OF state That
was exactly thirty days before he wrote the letter OF
Sir Rlce--Tbe interview of November the only re;
naming interview YOU nav rs.,od Vas Ms y olie anu
The witness-Igs aud substantially all that passod
there was ts nropoande,d to MN question aS %Gn
V1r p1n ";itp~@sss' ~s' two gentlemen, both ex-
were then considering as Ministers flenpotentiaEy OF
- lad been accustomed TO consult him IN regard To
other matters on which he had always advised me
frankly / TO hun: " Mr secretary We now con
siderg the prOprety Of rendering the office OF Connis-
eioner PlcnipOentiary to sucn aud such gent,elnen
his hearty say lie aimed: "snphefd, they are tie
two for you i'll the United states; dont a to
get them" That think is tue substance oi al that
An AMERICAN PRoTEcToRArE.
now remember topic that discussed on the eve
ming November 3D. That was TO reference TO pro
cctorat to be established by the United states Govern
meut The conversation took turn Il do not recollect
how it begau) which led to she Suggestion OF a
possible protecorate. Mr.. Cillcy WAS asked what
he thought would be the sentiment OF feruIshs'
especially Of intelligent and influential PtruYaD- III re-
gard American protectorite lie answered VITA
cmp that least 30 per cent ol AL IcIuNltHS
would be heartily in favor OF II that they woud wei
come their salvation: that they hnd become IN
teioeut o their ability 10 govern
themselves that they In despair under the Chlan
aud that American prot cctOrac any form that
rou iye them that the United states
would help them of their trouhes would be welcomed
very cordially some question was addressed 10 me win
re.rcuc. 10 inv idea about 1t and my answer was IL
seems 10 me- gentlemen, that the logical necessity of
the situation Will result i'll rotectoratc Peru to be
saved. | do believe that situated as Peru IL she
alone VIII be able to set up Il Govern. |
ment that will command the confidence and |
I f,oI of
is going to do anything satisfactory III the way OF csab
mrnt@ The Secretary surprised by the apparent |
rac,rucss with which he listened To this suggestion The
idea of had not been discussed between us
i,rl his nrrnecc. lie seemed he liscDlng