Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1882-04-09


had any further correspondence or interviews
with Walter Blaine subsequent to writing the
letter read yesterday, answered that he had
one other interview with Walter Blaine at the
state department some time in November last,
and Prescott was present part of the time,
Witness desired to know if the newspaper
charges submitted by him against Hurlbut
were to be admitted in evidence, and after gen.
eral discussion the opinion of the committee
was unanimously expressed in opposition to
the admission of campaign matters in the
nature of general attack upon the character
of Hurlbut.
Shipherd said it was due to himself to be
allowed to offer any evidence in his own de-
Tense and everything which led him to the
opinion that Hurlbut was purchaseable man.
A running discussion ensued and finally
Blount moved to exclude this evidence. The
motion was tabled for the present.
Rice resumed with the inquiry "Have you
any other correspondence with Secretary of
State Blaine which has not been printed?"
Answer-I have none with the exception of
one letter, December 10, 1881, addressed to
Gov. Boutwell, and intended to be shown to
the secretary of state, whoever it might be,
whether Blaine or Frelinghuysen. The letter
was then put in evidence and read by the
clerk. It was quite long and defended the
writer (Shipherd) from the secretary's charges
against him of attempting to bride Minister
Hurlbut.
The witness then went back to the dis
patches which he (Shipherd) had supposed
were sent by Secretary Blaine to Hurlbut.
These dispatches, witness stated. were read to
Senator Blair by Blaine June I'd, and subse-
ouently Senator Blair remarked to him (Ship-
herd) that 'sif you had written the dispatches
yourself they could not have covered the
ground more perfectly, particularly the cable
dispatches.
Shortly after that witness saw Senator Blair
and asked him If the dispatches had been sent,
and was assured that they had been, and
again few days afterward Senator Blair said
to witness: 81 have seen the secretary and he
says the dispatches were sent without an al
teration of any kind, on the same day they
were read to me, June 3D."
When witness received Hurlbut's letter
stating that no such dispatches had been re-
ceived, he was much disturbed and at once
sought Senator Blair to find out what it
meant. The senator was greatly puzzled end
said "Nr. Shipherd, this affects my veracity
and that of the secretary. l will make it my
business to investigate
Witness continued: Finally Senator Blair
advised me to come to Washington, bring my
letters and correspondence and lay the mat
,
should get at the bottom of it. Witness
therefore came to Washington and held his
first interview with the secretary on the even
ing of Oct. Is.
Witness then detailed what occurred at this
interview, prefacing it with the remark that
possibly he might in some way Overrun what
was said or done at one interview into another.
He said the secretary appeared a little lmpa-
tient, and as he (Shipherd) thought, seemed to
anticipate the object of bis visit. Witness
showed him Hurlbut's letter. He took it,
read it, threw it down and said, ''What is the
matter with the letter?' Witness
replied: "Mr. Secretary, it disturbs
me by what it does not
say, rather than by what it does say. 1t dis
cusses Peru and her affairs, but says nothing
of American interests" | then adverted to
Hurlbut's singular conduct in Withholding
the papers he had been requested to deliver to
Mr.. Arizona. Blaine retorted sharply what
business had you to make an errand boy of an
American minister. He would have done
right if he had thrown all your papers into
the fire.
INCULPATING HURLBUT.
Witness then told Blaine what was reported
of Hurlbut's intimacy with Suraez-that they
had gone out on the steamer, and on arriving
at Lima, Suarez had placed at Hurlbut's dis
posal one of the finest residences in Lima,
with wine celler exceptionally well stocked,
and that Hurlbut was occupying it free of
expense to himself, and it all had been
furnished by the Credit Industrial.
Blaine laughed incredulously and said:
"Oh; they don't catch Steve in that way. If
he lives in fine house he pays rent for it,.
Witness then said further: ''Well, Mr.. Sec
rotary, their intimacy is a matter of public
comment in Lima. They are always together,
Suarez is virtually an inmate of the American
legation"
At this Blaine exclaimed with great en-
phasis: eff all this be true he must have
sold out to the Credit Industrial. will go
to the bottom of this" Then, after mo
ment, turning to the witness, he said: "What
do you want me to do?" Witness handed
him a draft of a dispatch and said: "Send
that to Hurlbut:'' Blain replied "No, not
that; it would raise howl in congress"
He (Blaine) then wrote, resting on the arms
of his chair, a dispatch IN substance as fol-
lows: s'The report reaches the state depart
ment that your conduct is such as to lead to
suspicion of improper relations with the
Credit Industrial. You must stop it.''
Witness continued: I heard afterwards
through Senator Blair that dispatch was
sent, but the dispatch which it appears, from
the correspondence furnished by the state de-
partment, that was sent was very different
from this dispatch which the secretary wrote
in my presence and read to me.
Witness further detailed what occurred at
the interview November 8. At this interview
Mr.. Glley, gentleman thoroughly familiar
with the affairs of Peru and Chill, was present.
Witness was struck by one remark Of Blaine's.
The secretary drew his chair close up to wit
ness, and stopping him familiary said: ssDo
you know, Shipherd, yon have something
they haven't all got; that is patience, sir. Now
will give some more advice for nothing. You
have only got to be patient and you will win
yonr whole deal. Be patient and you will
seeMartinez drop into your lap like an apple.
Every time the Gillian minister comes to the
department I notice that his seat is hotter and
hotter, and it is the Peruvian company that is
disturbing him." ana this, said the witness,
was only thirty days previous to his sending
to me his letter of December 8, in which he
expressed so much indignation. Witness was
also impressed by another occurrence at this
interview. The subject of a possible Ameri-
can protectorate over Peru was mentioned,
and Gill ey was asked what he thought of it.
he replied that the Peruvians would hail it
with the liveliest satisfaction. At this Blaine
with much earnestness said: 'sShipherd, can't
you get Calderon to send up deputation? If
he should send three of his men, backed up
with strong endorsements of the sentiments in
of the leading men of Peru, it would well be