The Indianapolis leader. (Indianapolis, Ind.) 1879-1890, 1881-11-19
INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA, SATURDAY NOVEMBER 10, 1881

and did not desire him to speak to me about it
| did not do 1t with any harshness.
Q-Did you sa substantially that If the Presi
| dent chose to appoint him you had no objection
Was not the interview concluded by some such
had decide d objections.
z On what grounds? A.-The Paris Consulate
Is very Important office-au office of great con
sequence, and did not think Guiteau belonged
toa class of men that would naturally be as
signed TO It,
Q.-For what reason? A.-For the very Aimple
reason think "a man of sufficient consequence
would have been well known public man. Such
an important office is always asigned to gentle
m men 90 OF eonspicq"ns. rank for inteiligsnoe and
Q.-About public services. do you mean party
services? Alt may be party services. The In
cnmbent at that time George Walker. can illus
who had performed public services in the
Finance Department of Massachusetts and been
and was gentleman of high character, widely
and favorably known. l do not think there are
any grounds for misunderstanding me.
OIL want to ask ifit was expected and common
i'll the distribution of those Offices topost them
Il should say that was the element that al
ways entered into tt and yet not q conspicuous
one. great eligible missions abroad are held by
gentlemen who never did party services at all.
Q-D0 you mean TO be understood that on the
nize6 in the y distribution of NO. offices?
Al did not mean to be understood il was not
recognized only that 1t was not the sole basis on
whi' such things were done. and gentlemen
who bad nothing of those claims were assigned
conspicuous public positions.
@ Was il peculiarly Guiteau's application for
office that he based his Claim on party services?
A.-Oh no, That is very common.
Q-Was 1t not at most the uniform mode of
Operation? A.-As rule, l think you would
lnd gentlemen who hold conspicuous positions
IL diplOmatlc stations, are not those who have
applications for them on file in the Department
Q-Io come nearer home, how about the Col
lectorships In leading cities? Al am not In the
Treasury DeraItment. ILaughterl
Q-fou know nothing about it? A.-Nothing
but hearsay. and that | suppose would not be
life - --'
Q.-whst was the condition of the Republican
party as to unanimity and harmony for SIX weeks
before the shooting of the President? A. latter a
pansel-There We're some dis>ensions in it.
Q.-rhere were considerable, were there not?
Yes SIR
Q-They created good deal of excitement In
the country? Al should say not IN the coun.
try.
OIL mean among the people? A.-The dis
sensiOn wSs largely local. There were differences
between the President and some members of the
party about ome matters in New York.
They were agiated In the press all over the
country? A.-They were commented upon.
O. wish you would state briefly t. the Jury
the substance of those dissensions here in Wash
ingtOn and New York as u matter of evidence. I
refer to the differences that culm mated iu the
resignation of the Sena tors from New York A.
do not exactly know the scope of the question
Q-Nere there any such troubles? A.-Oh, yes.
There were very sharp differences of opinion.
A-Yes
Q.-what did they consist of? A.-The act that
created the difference?
There was more than one act in that con-
necIion? A.-Ifyou will specify any particular
o Will give my opinion on It,
duet of certain individuals you can answer How
was it with Senator Conkling. of New York. did
be DO anything or say anything that led to that
trouble that famed the difference or promoted
it? A.-What difference? iLaughter.)
Gin the Republican party? About what?
Ooh, OF the cause; il you do not know you
need not answer. A.-If Senator Con king spoke
he must have spoken about some particular thing
Q.-l do not want any long disQuisition, |
simply ask you TO state to the Jury the substance
OF the trouble in the Republican party. Al
do not exactly see the point about which counsel
d sires me to testify. l have no reluctance to
swer in that way The Presiden, had sppointsd
Robertson Collector of Customs al New York and
on that and the proprlety of 1t there grew up
the Senator from New York.
Sc0vile-SOw, II you will 60 little further and
stale what happened after that disagreement
sure can make political speech of two hours
and half on the subject. Laughter II you
VII ask s specific questions will answer them.
tors from New York after the disagreement arose
with the Administration? Did they resign? A.
Q.-When was that? Al think the resigna-
ton was on the 2sth of May; of that Will not be
positive.
TO the District Atforney-Am correct?
District Attorney-It was earlier than that;
alb Iut the 18TH
The prisoner (quietly)-The 10th of May.
was the cause of their resfgning? A.-Discontent
with the Presidents acr N in appointing Robert
sOn,
Q.-what followed Immediately after in rela.
ton TO the election of their successorf
Witness-l am very certain do not see what
the counsel desires me to testify about.
Judge Davidge-ln your cross examination, Mr.
Scoville, you are not at liberty To ask leading
questions. You ought to question more spe,
cifcally.
Witness-If you ask and question specifically
will answer il.
Mr. Scoville-Did not considerabl feeling existe
for several days here i'm the Senate and in Wash.
Yes. " ~ ''''-''
Q.-That resulted in the resignation of the Sem
atorS, did it not? A.-tA nodded assent)
Q.-Tne next step was to elect successors in
New York A -(AuOther nod.)
Q.-And the matter came before the Legislature
aud resulted in struggle there? A.-(Another |
Q-How long did that continue? A.-That
90 iinued until long after the President was shot
Q-And coInmenced Immediately after the |
Q-Did that struggle generate or keep up the |
feeling that existed aud caused the designations?
Davidge.I must object to that. The examin- |
ScIvile--lf the Court please, 1t may be- and we |
consider it important to show there was a quarrel
md persisted, and that, instead of being healed.
was growing wider. il possible, SO that even the
ieath OF the President did not interrupt the daily
ure at Albany, In which leading men of the /
country were taking part. We wish to show the |
,xtent OF the feeling that prevailed in the COM
nuuity order to show In proper relations the L
Influence that was brought to bear on the mind OF |
he prisoner.
Davidee-In order to save time we withdraw
scoville-when did that contest terminate at
Albany?
Witness-I think the termination of It YVES in
ne ele ton OF the second Senator, Lapham NV |
collection would be it was about the 10th or zIst
II July. Ii may have been later. did not charge
ny mind with 1t. The reason did not was was
'ery deeply absorbed and engrOsSed In the cOndi.
Ion OF the President. / can say to counsel that
lfter the President shot the political canvass
ave me as little concern and ELECTED from me as
little observation as any individual In the conn.
ry. to.k no part whatever In the contest in
he New York Senate
Seoville-I never understood you did, did not
ueson sacton y1n WIN IN 'aSs nat 1aea want to know II
classified under certain heads and, If So what
we're they denominated. Al believe they were
designated as "Stalwarts" and half
,reeds."
Did not this term ''Stalwart' date back to
he political campaign of last year. including
ir4nt. Logan aud Conkling? Were they not de.
ignaled as Stalwarts, and was that term not
lsed in 1880? A.-Yes. the term is older than
hat.
Q-Did 1t not become prominent before the
people in connection with the Chicago Conyen- |
ion? Alt was used then.
Q AS applicable 10 delegates that stood by
J. ant. wasit not: There were 3O6 think A.
)h. yes.
OIL believe Guiteau refers to the term Stall
yaft II, some of his letters? Al believe he
lOeS
Q.-What would anyone understand properly |
rom the use Of that word? A.-well, ii counsel
S wishing chapter i'll political history to form a
,art OF the testimony. it ought to be correct One
erm. Stalwart, originated before that. invented
he term myself lLaughterI