The sun., 1881-10-02
MR.. JOHN KELLY'S OPINIONS.
PRkDlCTING DlSASTER TO THE PARTY
II 1AMMAHr Is SHUT OUT
He says he still has Finy Theusand Fsilew
ers, and that Tammany Hall VIII Neves
Die-The Dea oeraey ~ Mr.. Kelly Sees 70


The Hon. John Kelly, in an amiable frame
OF mind. and ENJOYING comparative leisure. was
found at his ONCE. % Park row. yesterday BY q
SUN reporter. to whom he consented to give
some OF his views OF the political situation.
Il can assure you OF this" said Mr.. Kelly.
Those who have got the Impression that they
can destroy the Tammany Hall organization have
made a great mistake. because that can't be
done in this county. No matter what may take
place. Tammany Hall will continue to exist a.
Democratic organization. At any time. and
under almost any circumstances. II can poll
$4,000 votes in this county We are just a. sure
OF that a. Of anything that can be determined
before It occurs."
Suppose Tammany Hall 10 rejected By the
State Convention. What thenr
We are not rejected yet. and there 10 no GER
tainty that We shall b. 1t 10 altogether too early
to say what We would do II rejected. When the
time comes. II It ever does come. that will be the
time to consider what II best to do under the
circumstances. The question would be grave
ono. and would REQUIRE some time to discuss
and determine It."
What do you think would b the effect Of
such rejection 2" WAS asked.
II am satisfied" said Mr.. Kelly. that the
result would bc disastrous to the party in the
for our rejection except that We are not acting
In harmony with the Democratic leaders. who
have been making combinations with Republic
cans. II We are rejected the effect will be
disastrous to the Democratic party. and any
candidate who knows anything OF the politics
Of this State would SEQ that under such circum-
stauoee he would not have chance OF an cleo
party that the opponents Of Tammsny Hail have
reeorted to suoh desperate expedients 10 carry
ol a., NsM YSfs STATE
once carried the matter would b settled for
four years to como: There arc divisions In the
Is our c6sace. I. Would Ss I. rity to throw Il
away b, a,ssHtnG the M advice S q DsToer.ts who
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II think there are. In the Convention at
our % NUMBER 1UsU we're placsd on the State censrSl
Committee. showing that the course that had
y as s
who wish 70 keep you out Of the Convention y
have been % propery y Peiastsd. and 10 Sr!ns di.ss:
ter upon us in this county. think thero is an
men 20 under them that not
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ior Attorpsy. General. and that et6sr dan.
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elected but viii run to carry out tho purpose Of
ihs eon.DiIssy; Ths, . %y candid 9ginion g q q
premature question. do not think the Con-
tsinS that viii M tend tend 90 20 much to dsmorsliss the
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s.s@enlor.S upon sSs :d2!::i0n q dei.s.;s: e:
r.sy si! %s K k.lls heS mink OF ne County Dance
That Organization va. started ,S for the cur:
the people and was based on the number OF
Democratic votes in the county. and that there
as the result Of sd,icei with some State politi-
clans, who wished to make II appear tnat 1t was
to Be for ali the
organizations in the city to Join them. and said
we would be treated fairly: Their object was TO
have have !! to say that ve had refused to aot with
M6.. do think OF the strength of the Count,
II do not think 1t 10 strong. think 1t 10 the
weakest Democratic organization thai has, been
started here They have no real strength. u
that II test vote could be had tomorrow. Tam
many Hall would poll two votes to their one.
assumption has no foundation In fact. Their
claims have never been tested by vote. Tam
many. on the contrary has frequently been
In 1873 We we're &c co%pssd to make an inds
pendent night against the Governor on
account h.pds he rsmovs x'
Gumbleton without authority OF law. and the
seizure Of his oface at nigh! By these people,
was but one OF many acts OF the kind thai We
we're compelled to resent Blu, last year tho
for the Ticket. both State and electoral. and the
evidence was seen IN h the increase of 1.O0o
& ss on On
county organization. did not support the Mayor
anu The iSsa ausssien % has been fr.auentl, asked"
continued MT Kelly o6 how !. was ;h%! the Re-
Fhs1 dfd R0 Ss fraudulent '' votes. hsye no
doubt that the Republicans poled atleast / / 900
fraudulent votes. We BEGAN to investigate the
stalled by their sending around to the people
telling them not to answer any questions "a TO
" Do you think that Tammany Hall ought to
20 ADMITTED to the State Convention s1olu-
We ought to claim to bs admitted exclusive
ly. So far as numbers are concerned We have .
right to claim it. There can be only one opinion
and that We have the prestige Of regularity.
The H yStsrs S os ths city SeiGns to
whole matter 10 that these County Democracy
people have been all along making bargains
with the Republicans. They were afraid to
trust Mayor Grace. and made bargains with his
predecessor. Mayor Cooper. thus giving to the
Republicans offices which. by the Just terms of
our arrangement before the election OF Mayor
Grace should have been given to Tammany
Hall. They acted in bad faith and against the
OF the Democratic party"
Some 9f these men n~s were formerly in Tam
Yes. Immediately after the fall OF the old
Municipal Ring Nr. Cooper and Mr.. A. 8.
Hewitt OF the old association formed a commit
tee OF twenty-four. ono for each Assembly dis
trict. TO register the Democracy OF the city. The
registry was made in the daytime. and took
three days. Hewitt and Cooper were elected on
the General COMMITTEES. and Mr.. Hewitt served
fve or six years. Al one time he was Chairman
OF the General Committee. He had some po-
litical difficulty with his people in the district
in which he resisted some action. and there was
in the committee on tho subject OF the
appointment OF inspectors OF election. The
General Committee ordered primary election
and appointed fair and impartial inspectors.
Mr. Hewitt and his friends were beaten. and
thus became enemies OF the organization.
Again in 1874" continued Mr. Kelly. these
men made combinations with the Republicans.
and In every year down TO 1876 did the same
thing. They would have done so in 1876. but
Gov Morgan. who w6s tho candidate Tor Gov
ernor refused 10 remain in the field II any COM
bnation WAS made with the Democrats. because |
ne feared that il would result IN political injury
10 him. In 1878 these same nisn. now claiming |
10 he the only Simon pure Democracy made |