Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1881-12-23
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Shaw useti to have in his office haven't seen
him since"
Mr.. Edwards testified TO knowing Guiteau in
Mr.. Shaw's office in 1871. Guteau. he said.
had proposed to him once to 90 into fraudu-
lent real estate scheme. by which, through a
tricky transfer. they were both to be benefited;
the witness had declined to 20 into it.
CoRRoBoRATIvE TESTIMONY As TO GUTTEAUs DEC
TAXATION THAT HE WOULD BECOME NOTORIOUS
Mr.. Edwards said he overheard the converse
tion between the prisoner and Mr.. Shaw. i'm
which the former said he intended to become
notorious. He mentioned Lincoln and Booth.
and said he would be notorious too. Mr.. Shaw
said if he was notorious in that way he would
be hung. and the prisoner said that was another
thing.
CROSS-ExAMINATION BY Mr.. REED
Mr.. Reed, who was sitting behind Mr.. SEQ
vile. took up the cross-examnation and drove
in the questions very rapidly
The witness having been asked about his law
studies, said he had been studying several years
and expected to enter the bar i'm few months.
They have not the same practice in New York
rs in Chicago" remarked the district attorney.
Every likely. Mr.. Corkhil" replied Mr.. Reed.
isYou Eiay have been admitted in Chicago; l
have no doubt You were"
Mr.. Reed referred to Mr.. Shaw's testimony. in
which he said that nobody was present when
Guiteau told him that he intended to initiate
Wilkes Booth. The witness said Mr.. Shaw is
apt to get excited when on the witness stand
GrTrEAU CONTRADICTs THE WITNESS.
The witness being further questioned regard
ing the ''WiIkes Booth" conversation the pris-
Oner said: '.This whole talk is pure fiction. 1
never said a word to Edwards or Shaw about
Booth. never talked to him at ali. "
The witness said they had not paid much
attention to what Guiteau said. because they
used to hear very funny conversations from him.
Mr.. Shaw had said NO one will bother about
what he said" He used to get off things that
other people would not think of saying, the
witness said. speaking of Guteau. The prs-
oner used to tell of the immense losses he had
in the Chicago fire: of his immense business
transactions. and ''he used to magnify things so
that we thought it very strange"
GCTTEAU ACCUSES THE WITNESS OF LYING.
''This whole thing is an absolute lie gentle
men,. said the prisoner. "What is the use of
spending any more time over it ~
Speaking of the alleged real estate transac-
tons referred to by the witness, the prisoner
said This is perfect farce. This man used
to be a scrub clerk in MIR. Shaw's office. The
idea that 1 would go and consult lumpkin like
him on real estate business, 1t is a great farce
and the court ought to kick the man out"
Mr.. Reed having sat down, expostulated with
the prisoner quietly. when the latter broke out
aloud referring to the witness: You make too
much out of him. Give him kick and let him go.
He says he is no lawyer and hasn't brains
enough TO be one after ten years effort"
MIR. Corkhill having asked the witness if he
had ever loaned the prisoner any money
"A man like him loan me money. ha, ha. hal
laughed the prisoner. "a little clerk in law
Office"
The witness having exhibited memorandum
in diary TO fix a date. the prisoner said: THAT
Is something he has probably made since he was
subpoenaed,
When the witness left the stand the prisoner
denounced the story told by him as false. do
you suppose. gentlemen of the jury and the
court" he said. THAT if had wanted to Kill a
great man l would wait eight or nine years to
do it. Why didn't | go for General Grant or
Conkling or some other man There's not one
word OF truth in what this man said or what
Shaw said about that man Booth
ANOTHER EXPERT WHO THINKS GUTTEAU Is SANE.
DIR. Seldom III. Tacott, OF MiddletOwn. New
York. was then called to the stand.
This man is going to tell whether my free
agency was destroyed on the I'd of july" said
the prisoner with a sarcastic laugh.
The witness said he was medical superintend-
ent of the State Homeopathic Institution for the
insane at MddletOwn New York. He had eX-
amined persons who had attempted murder un-
der the deluSiOn that they had been instructed
to commit murder by the Lord. The charac-
teristies of such cases were great excitability
and Authorizations those whom the witness n ad
examined. announced their murderOus inteIl-
tons beforehand He had never known a case
where a prisoner had claimed insanity as de-
fence for crime. He had examined the prisoner
on Nov. 30th. and Dec. 4th. at Jail, besides OBJ
serving him in court. Assuming the testimony
of the prisoner to have been true. so far as he
knew. the witness was of the opinion that he
was sane on the I'd of July.
''HOw much do you expect to get for that
opiniOn?' asked the prisoner. You have been
lying around here three or four weeks. You
ought to get 800 or $500"
The hyDOthatieal question Waa then prO-
pounded to the witness, the reading Of the long
question being waived
The witness reply was that the prisoner was
sane.
Mr. Scoville objected to the question and the
reply.
- Il don't care if 500 men came here and swore
was sane on the I'd of July" said the prisoner
II don't care snap. What do they know of
my free agency?"
what is the use Of saying that 50 often!" re-
Il want to get that down sOlid," said the
prisoner
Ak DAVIDGE THINKS 1T TINE TO STOP GUTTEAU.
1T seems to me-" said Mr. Davidge that
Sufficient has been developed to determine the
prisoners free agency at the present time. He
knows enough to behave in court. and this thing
has gone far enough. 1t ought to be stopped"
Il am my own counsel" said the prisoner
md have as much right to talk as you have -
MI Davidge again insisted that the prisoner
should be kept quiet
Il don't pretend to say" said the prisoner to
Mr. Davidge. that / am any more insane now
than you are"
GrITEAC THINKS Mr.. DAvIDGE HAD BETTER GO
HOME.
Mr. Davidge still insisting on having the pri-
soner kept quiet the prisoner said to him: "Yeu
are altogether too talky this morning. You are
worse than boy with a diarrhes. You had
better go home"
Mr. Reed having left the court room. Dr. Tai
colt was cross-examined by Mr.. Scovle. The
witness said insanity always proceeded from a
diseased brain; it was true that the disease
could not always be detected; many insane peo-
pie had died. and on pOsr-mortem examination
- sign of disease OF the brain cOnld be found
In answering MIR. COrkhilrs hypothetical cues
Ton the witness was asked whether he assumed
NAT the prisoner was honest in his idea that he
Was inspired.
al don't believe he was honestly inspired, +"
oaid the witness.
"Was / dishonesty inspired ?' asked the
prisoner. - either was inspired or l wasn't.
That Is a matter of fact. The Lord knows
u. And great many people are getting to
know it,
do you believe that people ever have inspi-