, 1881-03-18
Frank Acknowledgements Of Pools,
Rebates, Determinations, and
Other Naughty Things.
ALetter from Granger Protest.
ing Against the Course OF
the Investigation.
He FnTors Special Railroad Rates ns
Proper mud Necessary In Ger.
tain Cases.
Adjournment Until Tuesday, When the
COMMITTEES Will Meet and lake
Up Their Report,

speetat Dupateh to TAs Chicago Trtbuna.
SPRINGFIELD, ILL.,, March 17.-An effort
WIS made this forenoon to hold an extra
session Of tha Rnilronu Committee, but 1t
wns failure, owing to tile refusal OF tho
Democratic members to attend. OH tho plea
TINT the LEGISLATION befure the Senate was Of
more Importance. Tho COMMITTEES got to-
gctler Mt tile usual afternoon honr, Senator
Fuller In the chair, who rend n telegram
FROM Z. NJ. Gray, of Chicago, stating that he
WAS too Ill to leave lsnme.
Sanford, Traffic Manager Of the Rock
Island, WIS tho first witness. 1lc
Ind nothing to TO with ILLINOIS
rates. His business was to look
after the intor-State traffic. lie did not
kt,ow where SaEs was Mt tIle present time.
Tho Rock Island Road had one pool In
Illinois.
Witness wns asked where.
Withrow objected.
Iannlnc urged the question, on the ground
That details were CALLED out yesterday In tie
matter OF
THE JACKSONVILLE COAL roo1.
The Chair said TINT the question WIS not
material.
Lanntng took M appeal.
Wittlrow Withdrew the objection, and Wit
ness said that the pooi was ut Pond Creek
and Wyanct, with the Burlington. lie dldnot
know low long the pool was in force.
Frcm lscarsay he knew there was q
war before tile pool WAS made. Illinois
freight matters wera not III tho department
OF the witness.
Harding tried to prove how long the war
was III force, but Witl,row objected, on the
ground that 1t was hcarsay testimony.
Gallon Insisted tic question WIS compc-
tent, md threatened call Of the roll,
White objected to my intimidation.
Gallon said the witness knew In the course
Df Ills business, nrd was competent to nn-
Bwer. Probably the railroad existed on hoar"
say.
The examination was renewed, nnd the
witness said llo knew nothing about tho
length of tho war.
ON THE FORMATION OF THE POOL
witness WIS Consulted by Sage. There was
some cutting of rntes. but witness knew moth
ing about the details. Ilo lid not know that
the cutting Of rates was disastrous to ills
company.
uurtllng wanted To know about rebntes
and special rutes, but Witlrow clicked him
oil BY insisting that the question be confined
to State trui!lc.
Hartllng insisted TINT Interstate traffic and
pools were Legitimate subjects for inyestiga-
tion by the Committee, because Il certain por-
tion of the haiti was III i1,ts State.
Whiting said the point Mt issue WIS In Btu
rean County, wIere there wera sore griey-
ances.' The Investigation, us conducted. was
unparalleletttl The Committee WIS III search
ut 1acts, and It's COURSE should not be guided
by technical rules Of court. Tho Senator
yns cn,,vfnrnd nf the truth of
Ti1E ALLEGATIONS or lLAILI,oAD ExTonTtoS,
because hu was informed Ut It III different
ways, aNd could swear to moro facts ttlan tho
witness was allowed to swcnr to.
Witlsrow sald t,o thought rulcs were neces-
sarY after whit the Senator hAu said. Pools
ase not unlawful III Illinois, II they
were, and wera les.llized In Iowu,
wllnt would becnmc Of tho railroads
1pter-StatH commerce cnn only be
regulated by Congress. md the prosecutor
WHO said differently WAS hardened In Ills
Ignorance.
Harding retortcd that ho was right In his
assumption, BECAUSE tho Inv Of illinois Ind
knowledge Of nil l.auls in the State, whether
tho ttntllo was Interstate or mot. II the
Interstate haul wero less tlian tic local
haul 1t wns
\ CLEAN CASE OF DISCRIMINATION
against the ueop!e ut Illinois, aad was n lit
subject fur investigation all4 control.
Senator Whiting related tho sorrows ot
Topd Creek, Which he based OIL the fact that
the grain lett the Greek a1ld went to Wyanet,
1t would hot 90 tllere unlHss better rats wAs
given.
Senator Lanntng delivered an cssay on
notorious knowledge md Information, asMl
suoko about tic market price Ut whent,
Y{oSt Il L. 1xts fnsI,
the COUNSEL for the railroad know who sired
HIN? Rnars Ut laugiter,)
There were calls oG time, and Wltllrow
wanted u ask tho Chair n question.
lanning refused to yield.
The Clnr was Inclined to renew tile cx,
nn'illatio,i. when Latll,ng wanted 10 know II
Fnllcr l!ad lost Ills grip
THIS Cl,alr froW,.HA.
Lnnl!lnE reacted; aud proceeded with his
essay,
WHITE KEPT THE WATCH,
aid on the expiration Of the Tires minutes
rulleI ",rlnie.'
Lunn'nx went on Ike prairie fire or Ten.
nysons bronx, until tlnntly White told Alu,
the Committee would stand l0 moro bull
tozlng. aud Lanniug subsidized amfd much
lncrriment.
The examination WIS renewed, and tl3e
witness testified that he knew l.uthing uboul
Erbates OIL local BUSINESS a1sl Wis not posted
Oh terminal charges. Car Mileage Is three
f0uftl,s uf II cent per mile.
1iardinx consulted with Wight, md wa.
tnlA tu keup Oh.
Wtthsuw objected to the limo OF exau,!na
tion. on tut ground that information VII.
sought il, advocacy Of u bill now pending Il
the Legislature.
llartllnx said the people were charged s
day aeA,urGaKB OIL cars, while the sallrUnI