Arizona weekly citizen., 1881-09-18
ARIzoXIAys N NEW YORK.

ARIZONIANS N NEW YORK. They aro Interviewed Touching he Indian
 Question.
 The CITIZEN short time since pub lished an extract from tlg9 New York Herald of an interview with a prominent Arizonian, in which allusion is made to an alleged coal speculation of Agent Tiffany. It appears that the party in terviewed was Judge Farley, of this city.
 We also published the Associated Press condensation of an interview by a World reporter, with Mir. Esteyan Ochoa, of this city. To-day We publish the in- terview in full, as it appeared in the World, as it touches other matters of interest aside from the outbreak:
 Mir. Estevan Ochoa, of Tucson, Ari- zona, is at the Sturteyant House. He is a Mexican by birth, but with the excep- tion of two years has lived in Tucson since 1857. He Is the senior partner in the firm of Tully, Ochoa & Co, who are reputed to be the largest stock -raisers, merchants and shippers in the Territory Mir. Ochoa himself super Intends the stock raising department of the firms business. He was asked yesterday by a reporter of the World if he agreed with the opinion recently expressed in tie World by Judge Farley, of Tucson, IS to the cause of the present Indian out break?
 q agree with him in everything" re- piled MT. Ochoa, excepting only what he says of Agent Tiffany and his con- nectiOn with the matter. On that sub ject l cannot speak at all, as ] dO not know Tiffany, and know nothing what ever about the coal mine he is said to have discovered"
 ''To what do you attribute the present outbreak?"
 My belief is that this outbreak was caused by runners sent from Fort Stan- ton to the White Mountain Indians Then there was ,he completion of the railroad, which I consider another indi rect cause: 1t is very reasonable to SUD- pose the Indians do not want a railroad running through their country, for with the railroad come settlers and civiliza- ltoIt, hlllNll Lltt-LS LlaitA they llll1l -b.
 How would you propose to effectually settle the Indian troubles iu your Terri toryY
 Send troops enough to crush them out at once and have done with 1t, or else send all the Indians out of the coun- try-any way to be finally rid of them What I would not do. and what ifrnntin- ued. will never end the trouble, would be to keep sending out parties of ten or a dozen soldiers to be killed of, here few and there few more, and then peti- tion Congress again for a few hundreds of thousands of dollars to do the same thing over again. If Congress would bring the Apaches all to COney Island or to the first-class New York hotels to live, it wouldn't cost the Government as much as 1t does now
 "What do you think of the Indian agents in AriZona?
 .i ,l have not 2l;ac5duaintt@,a @a "itn one oi the agents ss,5Elce Major Clunr- "t.hS. ., pan ', SaIIos. Srhe great trouble is that lle Nos e+lment sends agents there who lseHe slw an Indian-unless Tn show, Y. d wooden cigar-store Indian, as Judge Farley says. These agents ought to be practical men who know the Indian character we'll
 "What do you think of the proposition to turn the care Of the Indians over to the military
 "Perhaps that would be well. 1 cer- tainlv think 1t would be a good thing to whip them when they deserve 1t and only feed them when they behave.
 MINING S ARIZONA.
 aThe two greatest industries in Ari- zona are stock-raising and mining, 1 be- heve?"
 ~Yes. sir. Thanks to the Indians, my firm has lost a large fortune-not less than S35.000 or S4OW0-In stock killed or carried away. to say nothing of our men killed
 "How has the mining interest pros pered the past year.
 "It has more than trebled-'
 ''What do you consider the principal mining sections of Arizona:
 "The Tombstone, the Harshaw, the Globe and the Total Wreck
 "How are these affected by the Indian troubles?'
 "Tombstone Is 250 miles from Apache, and there are no Indians near there. Harshaw is about the same distance away. lt AuADfT AH it-ANANAA t1fAAA NttA los and the White Mountain Reservation and is in the worst fix of any of the mining districts. The Total Wreck Is a little over thirty miles from Tucson and is very promising property. It IS owned or controlled by Mr Vail, an Fnglishman. The general effect of the present troubles is very disastrous to mining interests. l should say that even if the Indians were conquered to- day. mining interests, as well as the pro- gress in all other directions, had been put back year. The-e IS not SO much danger for the large mines because there are enough men to protect them selves against ordinary attacks; 1t k tine prospectors, herders and scattered set tiers who get killed off. Nearly all the men knew when I first moved to Ari- zona have been killed by the Indians Every thing Is retarded by this outbreak, for capitalists will be slow to invest and Eastern people will keep away.
 "Where does your capital come from:
 Mostly from the East, although a good deal comes from California
 After all you have said, 1t Is evident you consider the Government as really most responsible for all the outbreaks through its mismanagement?
 "I certainly do. The only policy for the Apaches is not a policy of peace commissions and treaties. but of exter- imitation