National Republican., 1881-11-04


Sawyer.
NJ. Cook-My Brother Wilson docs not represent
everybody in this information. Mr.. Brown 10 rep
resented by Colonel Ingcrsoll. IL therefore iOl-
ment & upon % bAiSr OF Brown, and no intimatoh Of
what position will be taken on his behalf II
therefore seems, in addition to what my
brother Bliss has said that IL would be eminenty
proper that there should be an argument on be-
half of Mr.. Brown before We proceed; otherwise
there would be two arguments following our
three, and we will have no opportunity
to reply 70 perhaps the superior argument
Ingersoll and that certainly would not be exactly
think we should haye all the light that our Brother
Ingersoll expects to shed upon the case; then
three of us can reply and they will have the con-
cusion. But to leave US in the darkness that our
Brother Wilson has created, without the illumna-
tion Of Brother Ingersol, would be unfair.
Mr.. lngersoll-Isupposc that after we shall have
hoard from one of the learned gentlemen on the
other side Il might then be In order for me TO say
II few words for Mr.. Brown. But am free TO con.
tract that If either OF you gentlemen can success
fully answer the argument that has been made by
about Brown. / think that so far as 1
am concerned have the right to
hear their side; then If / wish TO soy anything
In behalf of Mr. Brown, / will do So and will say
IL at such time that one or more of theOpposing
counsel shall have the opportunity to answer. IL
seems 10 me that is fair
Mr. Bliss-Yonr Honor will perceive there has
been no motion made on behalf Of Mr.. Brown. IL
Mr. Brown makes any motion we will meet him.
point on behalf of Mr.. Brown until, for instance,
have occupied some portion of the time and atten-
ton Of the court o.day and tomorrow, and after
Mr. Brewster shall In the natural course have FOL
lowed is hardly fair. Your Honor will bear
In mind that In the assignment among
ourselves of the classes Of questions we are TO dis
cuss. am very likely to have had assigned to me
some Of the questions Mr.. 1ngersoll will raise In
Browns case after | have taken my seat. do not
care whether II is done In that way, and then-to
use the language OF one of the gentlemen on the
other side-I bob up" again and have something
TO say on that subject after he has "bobbcd up"
or how II IS; but II seems to me we should
have the last talk II is better not to convert this
into kind Of Episcopal litany, in which one
gentleman says one thing and sits down, and au-
other gets up and says something else aud keep
having II back and forth IN that way. But 1t IS
much better for the other side to state whatever
objections 10 this information they may have on
behalf Of Mr. Brown, so that we may know at once
the whole enormity of our conduct, aud throw
ourselves on the mercy of the court,if need be-
behalf of all the delcndants2
Mr. Totten--So IL is, Your Honor
Mr. Bliss-Of the gentlemen who have signed
the paper there Is no one representing Mr.. Brown.
It also appears atllrmatvely in Mr.. Wilson's argu-
ment that Colonel lngersoll is going to raise OBJ
jections on behalf Of Mr.. Brown, which we do not
know OF yet. am willing to. go ON now or In the
morning, or at any stage. We do not suppose
Your Honor is going TO be affected by the order in
which the arguments shall be made. We simply
wish to go on rs orderly and compactly as possible
The C0urt-I understand that Mr. Ingersoll sub
stantially adopts Mr.. Wilson's Argument as his
Mr.. Bliss--But suppose he raises q new set of OBJ.
jections in regard TO Mr.. Brown2
Mr.. .Ingersoll-Then you will have to answer.
Mr.. Bliss-You propose, then, that shall have
the close In regard 10 the points am expected
TO meet. If that is understood am perfectly con-
tent
MIR. Ingersoll-Then shall have to answer him
again.
Mr.. Bliss-My idea is that before any of us reply
we should at least have statement OF all the OBJ
jections they going to take-we do not care how
much they elaborate thom, or how little-and then
we will reply. Then they have the last talk.
The Court-Of course, as a general rule, the
whole affirmative case ought TO be exhibited first
Mr.. Ingersoll-I might say, for the enlightment
Of Colonel Bliss that shall insist that the facts
Brown. even If all are admitted TO be
true, do not constitute any oiiense. Sec.
ondly-That the fac facts set forth in each and
absurd, and impoSsible-that is, IL is impossible
that any such acts should have been done in any
say there is nothing in this Information charging
Mr.. Brown with any indictable ofiense. Whether
nm information needs facts Is another question
But there Is nothing that charges him with an in
dictable ofense as understand. shall insist that
IL is impossible that he ever conspired with Brady
to influence Brady, or that Brady ever conspired
with Brown to get Brown to influence him.
[Laughter.l l shall insist that Mr.. Brown never
conspred with Brady to get a contract from Nc
Donough and that thereupon McDonough con-
declared null and void. tLaughter.l ! shall In.
sist that McDonough never consplred TO cheat
himself [Laughter.l shall also insist that he
never went 10 the extent of hiring Brown 10 help
him. shall also insist that 1t is not
within the horizon Of The probable dSo TINT
another man as well as himself to defraud him
self [Laughter.l Now think that have given
what might be called general view of the course
intend TO pursue, SO far Mr.. Brown isconcerned
shall insist that the affidavit of Mr.. James to the
effect that certain contracts are are on file in hi.
New York with an illegal object When Mr.
james states in his affidavit that he has
had conversations with certain people, or that
he relies upon certain representations, / shall
insist that those people should have been brought
before the court shall insist, when he speaks o
contracts that those contracts should have been
before the court. l shall insist the same with re-
gard to the affidavit Of Mr.. Woodward. And
| finally shall insist that in this country and in
every other country where Saxon blood gives evi
| dence of liberty and manhood, grand Jury stand.
| between the citizen and his calumnlator, no mat.
ter whether that calumniator Is an officer of the
Cabinet or the President of tho United States
| TApplause1 / shall Insist also, before / &c
| through with the case OF Mr. Brown, that grand
jury is placed between the citizen and his reputa
tion TO provide for precisely such a case like tina
| of Mr. Brown. When high Official of this Ma
tion states that although he has not convicted my
client, yet he has branded him. shall insist tina
the grand jury stands between the official and tn,
| citizen and prevents him using that brand
shall insist that this information has been founC
unfairly. ILLEGALLY, and contrary TO the spirit o
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be, n general view OF the course intend to pur
sue.
Mr. Cook--May ask whether you have an!
authorities for all this llaughterl especially in ad
dition to those which my brother, Wilson, has re
ierred To? If so, we should be pleased 10 hav
them tonight, 30 that We can examine then
somewhat
Mr. Bliss-Colonel Ingersoll. you said that peopl
did not conspire to defraud themselves, &C. Nov
| / submit that this is an Information In regard u
defrauding the United States, aud therefore
largo portion of what you said can have very littl
pertinency.
Mr.. Ingersoll-Are you making an argument2
Mr.. Bliss-No. am in good faith, trying ;
get from you what we have TO meet. Have yo
any additional authorities2
proper time
Mr.. Bliss-we are in the hands of the coul
after that.
The Court--I cannot compel the Colonel to pro
ceed now II he does not desire TO do So II he sub
mits anything you will have an opportunity I
Mr. Bliss-when the gentleman says that he vii
at the proper time give his authorities in regar
to the case of Brown-and in the meantime we ar
expected 10 go on and make our argument-it
u wholly different practice from any with which
The Court-The motion is made in favor of al
Mr.. Ingersoll-The gentlemen do me too muc
honor. Don't be so afraid. will give you IN
authorities at the proper time. l know of n
authorities except such as are upon the same point
as have been raised here. II happen TO fin
other authorities upon the same points | shall CIV
them the Denent OF any sucn auI1oriues hepft
senting as they do, the sovereignty Of the Unite
States, know they only wish TO go according
law; every step that they have taken shows thG
[laughterl and will furnish them any light thu
/ have. That is certainly fair.
Mr. Bliss lsarcastlcallyl-Y seem very promI
TO do It. do not care TO fence with the gentleman
simply say that, at some time before this cas-
closes, ifanything that he says falls within tn
portion of the case which has been assigned I
me, | shall claim the right to reply 70 II,
The Court-0 yes there is no doubt about you
| right 10 do that.
Thereupon the court adjourned.
Mr. George Bliss will open to-day for the Coy
ernment, TO be followed by Colonel lngersoll f
s. p. Brown.
IL is probable that Colonel Cook will then spea
to be followed by JEFF Chandler, II, II. BreWste
, | and Colonel Enoch Totten.