New-York tribune., 1881-12-10

Womb be ashamed to do that lie has got yolr card
and will come back on yOd' " OI, no, sad the p''s-
The rrisoner.The fact is that the watch worth
$50 50 you are short in your story, ShaE. A.
Mr. ScOyie asked thar his exception be hotca 10 tue
admission Of this testimony, . - ..,i,,,
about getting any money from Dr. Macarthur!
Tne wimcss-lIe said he VS. gong to get some
nancy from Dr. Macarthur, and he mentioned $lcO.
dviscd him not 10 and told aim he ought not t. borrow
money from his eDds unless he was gOlhS 10 pay ~
back. "Well," said he, e" must nave the money any
The prisonerI owed Shaw $50 for ocerent, ana he
cOu not any good IN me aitef that' lie Is h"i
The District Attorney-Did the prisoner say in sub
stance that intended TO become notorious Deore hc
dedi
Mr. Scoyille objected TO the question dnd answer
The prsoner-i never said so aud never thought So
The Court sustained the objection: o..rso,io, that
Tie DsCrict-AuOrney--ta any cohVCrsa,"tt - . ~
lie. .,,.,-.... .,,, T.,
The wiiness-From the first time that knew HIM !
knew that he was vain and egolsucal anu th"V h0 ""
great desire for publicity. -, ,,t sh,vv
THe prsonerIhat Is false l got along WIN tam SiSM
frat rate for six or eight months Du AiIer that ~,
go behind In my rent for six months ana ne Degam W
prick up at tnat lie is very i31d oil % mTn9 &
the life OF yOu. After owed him 80 be Thought
was au awful wretch
GUITEAU DETERMINED To BECOME NOTORIOUS.
The witnessHe said to me once that ne was oou'u "
be notorious before he died.
The prsOuer-I never said so.
The witness-I asked him what he meant by that ana
he said that If he could not get notorey Tor soou n'
would get 1t for evil.
Tne wituCssOf course that surprised me, ana ashcu
him what he meant He sad he would shoot some VI
The prsoner-That is a lie. l never thought so and
never said 40. -. -,
Mr. scovie-I want it distinctly understood that au
this evidence is excepted 10. r..
The witness tie said he would initiate MuSes Doo''
The prlsOner-T1at is n lie. - go, =. - =, ,
The wiincs--saldi, Aud get hanged for It T. Well
said me- that is alter confederation dld not carry
The prisoner-I nave not known anything about this
0f testimony say to him you are iar-a l(w, olriy
liar never had tLat kind OF conversation with you IN
nv HE. aud YOU know It. You claim TO be gOoi
churchInan too That story ia alsenood from begin
ming enG, aud you art a sneakng liar. TEai Is my
and when you go back 10 New-fJrk yol wiii De the
auSS sIoeh o. an your nu @ yon 20 state All about
il in detail II you cannot do that you stand condemned
Tee District Attorncy-Have you given the whole con
vCrsAtiOn on that occasiOnt
The witness-So far a. recollect.
occur in which he said he intended to initiate Wilkes
pooth and 10 become notoriousf
The wincss-ln my Office. or course, cannot TX the
The prisoner lsnarling at the wness-NO, OF
YOU cannot fix the date, yOu miEeraOie lying whep
never said So ana never eord sU ~ me hoo,inc Of
Mr. scoyillc tnterruptngl-w sir; how long have
YOU been lawyer
The prisoner.He is no lawyer; he is pettfogger.
He gets man about Ncw-Yufk 10 do all his jury bust
ness not Drains enough to try case before
iurv Patterson used 70 do all ms jury business shaw
ued Ia he around and get Patterson TO try all his jury
cases because he had not brains enough 10 do II himself
The District Attorney-FyOn your observation ~ the
man and from your conversations with him. had yOu any
The witncss-I never hal any doubt OF his sanity.
The Disirict-Attorney-Ho did you regard han men
The wi;uess-I ad not think uuch Of him mentally at
that time -, ,, A..
after owed you $50 iftr that you could see no good
in me I have heard 81 your running with women, Ny
wife told mo once IN Chicago hai you went ana VISITED
her. guiIg TO show you UP you wretch You are
low diryiyed puppy to come here and lie about Inc In
The Court severely 20 The prison.r,-sienee! Am.
The prisOIsr-Hc had nc right TO come here and he
about me. That would make anybody mad The lying
whelp. - Observation-Disclosures. ,,.
Tha 7prsonor--I never hal any talk about wilkes
Booth. The whole thing II absolutely false from begin
Ths Dsiric,-Attorncy-wh was his reply to your
marx a. 10 his being hanged
The witues--le said Tia; wpnldbe an after consider
alton, ard that he would get noiDri"ty ANYHOW.
The prisoner 10 no, care snap about noioriety
told you three or four times th.i you lle That -ei
es yoG Nii not condescena 20 g1lI., y2i aE him
about the watch. dI h. sy ANY thing 70 you about his
TIE wtrcss-Yrs; 10 said that he was bound to get
living anyhow; that The world owed him living, and
lie would get IT, I am not surc whether tiat conyer-a
tion ,s m regard % the watch or In regard 10 h!. Dor
rowing money from Dr Macarthur.
The prisouor-t never mentioned Dr. MacArthurs
name 10 yog. IN ans shat pe or manner.
Q.-Ahcr be borrowed money from Dr. MacArthur,
member Ills sayins something about that.
Q-pil he say he had " cn"aied the Domiuier A
o-Do YOU remember whether he dil not say when he
would initiate Wi lcs BDoth. that he did not
IT he hanged that his name would 20 throughout
the world
Obecicl to and objection sustained the ground that
IN prisoner ifuriously)-Thit Is the most brazcn-
faced lie ever heard IA ny he win TELL you what
New-iork, went To he oilce on sha"s recommends
ton and will AK Judge Hawcs that very question.
Cross-cXamnatiOn,-Wh did this conversation about
shooting some one occurf Al cannot n1 the date II
was In inc tail " 1872. should think
Tho prisouer.-At that dine WAS uficins with Judge
Hawes. That shows yOu are lyine
Q.-Wherei Ain my 0hce, % Lhcrty-st.
Q-How long after Guitoau came 20 your Office
Ale came the lst OF November 1871, and stayed nm
Q.-What occurred after thar conversation until May
1873 between you and him that led you 10 desire that
he should leave your Ocei A-Oue reason that he
did not pay his rent
CLIENTS CLAIMING TO HAVE BFEN DEFRAUbED.
Q.Was not that the principal rea5oni A.-No. the
principal that he had clients coming there to
demand money, Of which they said he had dclrauded
them.
Q.-Tsit true that you gave recommendation to
judge Hawes Al do not think did
TIE prsoner-That shows you are liar that's all
want To prove.
Q-Dd you know where he went after Maya
Ire prisoner went 10 Hawcs's-nicc on your recon-
mendalion This Is the most extraordinary statement
ever heard from any man IN my lie always supposed
you friend at that lime, but you have showed
yourself to Dc consumnate jickass and and villain
In every way want to get this straight before the
country. II is going all over the world.
Mr. Scoyile anEily)-I would like opportunity to
crosse Kamine the witness.
The prsUner-l examine him In two three words
better tlau you IN hall an hour
Q-WIo was the first person Wlom you related this
conversation Al do { rccollect stating IL 10 any
body until after the assassination.
the prisoner-You kept IL 10 yourself. That
you are liar, you wheip you.
Q-IOu did not thdk Of it in your mind up to the
time that President Garfield was snot . Al did not
Q.-WhOm did you first inform Off q A.-Some OF my
friends ana associates.
The prisODer-I just want to state about Shaw that
went from his Office 20 Judge Hawes's Office called
around 10 see shaw day aud he said You have TO
thank Tor that; much to say that got into
Judge Hawcs's Office 0n his recommendation. That Is suf
hcent answer To the stun he has been talking about
with the consent of the Distnct-Atorne Mr. scoyile
called 10 the stand Judge Granville 4. Hawes who had
been occupying seat beside Judge Cox He did not
TecOect whether the prisoner had his Office on
Mr.. ohaWs recommendation not His managing