New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1881-11-24
GUARANTY OF THE CANAL.
r,1v WITH JI1,To AROsEMENA.

TALK WITH JUSTO AROSEMbNA'
THE COLOMBIAN GOVERNMENT IN FAVOR OF
JOINT GUARANTY-THE GUARANTY BURDEN TO
Tur GUARANTEEING POwERs-T1iE UNITED
STATES ALONE ENTITLED TO ii.
Justo Arosemena, who was the Colombian
Minister 10 this country in 1879 and 1885, ana VINO Is at
nresent fine Colombian Minister at Caracas, Nensueia
has been in this city days leave OF absence
He has stated that he here simply on family mat
ters He was called upon last evening at the Coleman
House by a TRIBUNE reporter in order TO obtain us
tnct statement of his views and so far as possoe Oh
the views OF his Government in regard 10 the guaranty
OF the Panama Canal
Does thesCOlOmbian Government now desire n JOin'
guaranty of the Panama Canal - was asked
Certainly" replied Mr.. Arosemena, unheHlIaV'HsF'
we wish joint guaranty in order to attract u Ol
merce of the world. In case Of war there Wolu W W
trouble if all the Powers had guaranteed the heu"u!
of t canal for no one Power would dare to violate IL
But if only one Power held the guaranty II wouid not o
competent TO enforce II in case of serious war A"u
should say here that there seems to be the geer' ME
apprehe nson in this country that the guaranty II
benefit 10 the guaranteeing Power or Powers On tic
contrary il is burden them but benefit ." All com
nerce so il is desirable that the guaranty should DC ~
ALI the Powers II England and Fra zee sDouu
20 TO war while the United States were
the only guaranteeing power, then the Uh''eu
States might forced TO fight them both IN the cahai
but II all held the guaranty oil would be equally interest,"
ed in enforcing it, and would. help each other Ana 80
the Colombian Government wishes icint guaranty De
cause It would attract and benefit ali trade and thereby
ourselves"
"Did the Colombian Government desire such guaranty
when the protocol was negotiated !ast Springs was the
second question.
eyes ii was desired then but not mentioned because
II would have treated about with other powers ana
that as not the time TO mention it,"
Ibid Santo Domingo villa, your successor act on DIS
own sbilitv only at that time 7"
"He did. He thought he acting within ms IN
srncons but he with the best intentions in the world,
exceeded them he ordered to take the protocoi
that had proposed TO Secretary Evars as his basis,
but he went beyond that
"werc the terms Of the protocol generally known in
Bogotal'
"No They were not at all known at the time of hs
signing it here. They came TO be known some time
later"
as the American protcctorate contemplated by the
treaty of 1916 unpopular III Colombian
"Not at all. But let suggest that the word protec
torate would be badly received in Colombia and let me
substitute guaranty The American guaranty then is
not unpopular, aud is just what we wish other nations to
Join in" ,,. 49,,
claim OF the Uhied states 10 Dc thc Soio e"i'o " WV
III iustiHes their claim to-day for is other
treaiy or guaranty ia existence. To-day the United
the only power entitled to the guaranty Of the
Does the Colombian Government seek TO abrogate
that treatyl"
II has taken no steps in the matter. When was
here in the diplomatic service thought II wished 10
keep it, The press there Is free as 1t Is here ana
some papers have said that It might be convenient 10
deuounce the treaty. But the Government has never
shown any desire ahrOgate IL, and have no reason
for thinking they wish this"
DO YOU understand that France or England Is max
ing any effort in Bogota for JOINT prOtectoTatc or
guaranty OF the canal g
ii do not think So ! have never heard OF any move
ment in that direction
" Is IL unlikely l"
"I cannot say that. Irepeg that the guaranty Is not
a benefit, but "a burden to the guaranteeing Power
Therefore is would unlikely that England or France
WOuld hasten 20 assume TINS hurdeh.
What thought the lSthmus OF the prospects IOF
the completion vi the canal !"
sauguine in regard 10 the completion OF
the work ana the benefits to De derived from it,
What the relations OF the state OF Panama Win
the Colombian Government Are they uniformly cor
dial
"They are"
&" Is there any separatst feelingr
None at all The relations TO the Government arc
exactly the same those of state here-SSay OF
New ork-to the Union. There Is hint of disuuOn
From 1860 to 1868 had war, arising not from at
tempted secession here but between the centralza-
ton represented by the encrOaohments OF me Iuhg
party and state Rights The result was that tue State
rights triumphed and the constitution was amended
Now all the States firmly united .
regard 10 tine passage OF war vessels through
the canal1" .,-, ,,..,
OF Interests IN matter and that they are harmonious
The only point possible de ence - this very question
OF the passage OF vessels always Thought the
United States Interested than any ono else IN tls
massage OF vessels Now i will be hard TO solve the
Question If other powers claim the right and hard
10 preyent forcing their through the canal II
we don't them pass thins The passage OF memoir
war will allowed to the United states; but whether
other nations guarantee neutrality or not. II they claim
the right 10 pass would be hard To keep them back