New-York tribune., 1881-12-14


Al am. - .or,r,,o1 which
he ia connected whit Alan -, .
o-You believe in God Al the Court "o'S H''
aoe,ore that question irrelevant VIII answer
The Court-You are not Obliged to answer tha' ques'
ton . H.. ,.
The witness-on principle decline to answer 1t.
rho nrisoner-Do You believe in a God, Corkmhf
have been digging your recoic ana IL s'ihAS "oiSe
than mackerel !,
The District Attorney to the WllhessI -An'n 9' w
cline 10 answerY
The witness-I decline TO on principle It's 10
my point Of view an mpernent question in country
that guarantees civil and religious liberty.
Mr. Davidge-But not irrelgiOus liberty
The DisrlctAttorney-As You decline to answer that
question: do not think any further questions to
ask YOU .,,.,
Redirect examinaton-What reason have you 10 tllnA
that the prisoner not Stimulating in the interview
YOU had with him? Al detected no evidence Oh
simulation, which believe should certainty nave
found, II 1t existed -,
ouas vour attention been frequently drawn to this
oint in connection with people supposed to be insane
A-Ihave seen probably five six cases of stimulation
o-Ia il easy to detect theml AIN the vast ma
iority of cases very easy.
o-Do YOU think it possible that person who had
oever seen case OF insanity not more than two or
three could successfully simulate insanity "A lay
nan could not approach to STIMULATING ln-
sanity under those circumstances
o-You were asked in regard to the GOsling case.
State what connection you had with that case A-Ihe
connection that had with thai case was that was ap
nroacbed by both sides; by letter. by the wrong sde
and personalv by the right side that declined by
letter 10 20 for the wrong side and went for the right
side and asked then about what the prosecution
terms the "horsedOctOr business the questions Dehg
instigated by the medical politician VINO lhSu
gates them now, and who was approached Dy ooth
sides.
n How did Won know which was the right side AZ
Nv the death Of the patient from the very form of in
sanity we predicted he would die FROM
wl,o we're "we 2" A-rhe experts. Drs Hammond
A. f. Macdonald and myself. There may have Deeh
others
Q-Expain more fully your expression that the cri me
In this case was the result OF morbid project based on
deusye opinion. A-By delusive opinion IN this case
Imean e1travagant interpretations oil outward clrcun-
stances that would strike man differently from
what they struck this prisoner
Mr. ScoYile then summarized all the evidences OF in
sanity which, according the for the defence
had existed in the prisoners family and asked the wit
ness whether If these facts proven, they constituted
proper claim hereditary faint OF insanity in the
prisoner.
The w1tness-I would say that family strongly
drenohed with hereditary tat, and chat the prisoner
might or might inherited the taint; but would
have to exclude good many things said from that
opinion. For instance the belief (hed by Luiher W.
Guiteau) that a sick might be cured by prayer Is
not sign insanity, though it may 0ea sign ol weak
ness of Judgment As to the belief OF Mr. Abran Gulteau
that he would never die, do you mean spiritually
Mr. scovile-NO, bodily.
The witness-That would strong evidence Of in
sanity.
Mr. Porter dronicay-Could you it by the fact Of
his making his will six months before his deaths
TIE CASE OF FREEMAN RECALLED.
Mr. Scoville-You asked as to your knowledge OF
class insane delusions where people consider them
selves inspired of God Do you remember the case of
Freeman, of Pocasset, who killed his child?
The witncss-I have not any accurate knowledge OF
the case only knew of it through the newspaper re-
ports That analogous to this case, except
as to the belief in inspiration
Q.-That manifestation OF insanityf Alt was
80 pronounced, and think it was
Q.-DO you remember anything else that occurred at
the interview with the prisoner in the jail that helps you
to form your opinion of himl Al should have nothing
to add except in explanation of the general nature OF
his mind, fact standing by itself, which would have
no Significance of remarkable dream he related, which
was to my consistent with the other features he
showed He had a dream that he at the White
House holding big reception there.
The prisoner-That IA week ago. 1t kept me awake
oil night; thought 1t an immense affair.
o-Did YOU have any opinion before the publication
of your article, which alluded To yesterday on TINS
opinion bN written communication or otherwise Al
had fixed pigeOn-hole OF some cases years before he
assassnAtion occurred had published abstract Of
similar and part OF these were published III me
Nelo- York Medical Gazette.
Q.-Do you remember at conversation in the cell my
paying something 70 the prisoner IN regard TO t9e wIe
nnaw, ss W. 80 biIn1 rnst was mari of the convrr-
cation which referred when said that the prisoner
displayed the ability OF certain portion oI the legai ira
Mr. Porter objected to Mt scovie attacking an absent
witness by detailing the conversation which occurred III
The jail me Gor s1sSg le h {1formofion en that
SHAW las been convicted almost, of perjury III New
Jersey and barely escaped by technical qu,bble and
Court oId him tde bench that he ought to De IN
SYtrisau
is thar your kind OF men, Corkhi Ihat man Ehssn
mas been convicted of larceny in Ireland"
The Dlstrct-Attorney again cross examined the VIII
o-You said you had pigeonboe for similar to
fsl Al had picture OF this class OF cases framed III
omHSve you written any other article the subject
of this tIia besides the one To which called attention
9SoS'ebd yoa write an article for The Tec-England
Medical M6nt,lgf Al did, rather furnished some
Q-Wha other papers did you write articles for con;
ssns IN 3g m a soaCa ea saVR RS Grn on ha Sse
QHoH many have you written! AmOne & or Two: o,
&.% h9i other OusnaSS SoSc SG newspapers nave you
Tne D handed 10 the witness the article
pnbished in The Heic England Medical Journal, and
asked him thereon the portions nat were cxclu
evey his While the witness was engaged IN doing
of Brooklyn Tabernacle has been doing up TINS Ds
in style osys me ee nr @ If nr a ns
also said t. be tender Tor house OF prostitution ne
or three others of these cranks The hgbtoned decent
part Of the American people are settnhg down IN III .
quiet way this matter but there are Ie" cike "ho
persist in talking about IL.
The istrict-Attorney having got back the paper
marked the witness asked him what lie meant by the
phrase, "d6fects of expert system" The witness
replied habit Of calling expert witnesses Tor
side and not for the Conrt."
O- recognize your language hero about the prosecut
ing attorney. Al thought you would That was an
sopinion which formed ea.y in the case.
GUnEAU INSULTS THE DIsTRICT-ATToRNEY.
The prisoner 10 the triotAttOrneyj lin my opinion
and the opinion of the American people-(to Mr. SEQ
yilic-Do not be punching me)you are a consunmate
on, of tis case and go West to the dggngs. That
ould suit brain better than the trial OF case like
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