National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1881-11-30


cism. IL had such an Influence ON me that II was
oil | could do to keep from going back SO you
haunted and depressed Tor fear that had lost my
eternal salvation by leaving the community
Aher went to Now York ! got acquainted with
the Young Mems Christian Association, and Joined
Beechers church, and came gradually under new
Influences, My mind was awakened to the tannti-
csm Of that hole and the scales fell from my eyes.
That Is the way got out Of that place.
q. Did Noyes have the theory of inspiration?-
a, Most decidedly. lie claimed thathis community
was the beginning of the kingdom Of God upon
earth that he was Gods partner, and that there
was no way to be saved except through him. He
thought that he was greater man than the Lord
q. Did you believe it?--A. belvcd II decidedly
at that time; and therein came his power over
those people, by the infusion the idea that there
was one God and NOyes was his partner
a. To come back to your bUyhOud-was there
river near FreepOrt "A. There was little stream
In which the boys used 10 go swimming. don't
recollect whether went very likely.
q. DO you remember getting II blow on your
head when II boy?-A. Yes. have the scar now.
O. State how II happoncd.-A. | was going up
| the street when little fellow struck me on the
head with n stone. ! thought | was dead and
made great noise about it. l have scar on my
head IN which can put my little finger about half
an inch.
q. Did any other person besides your father cx-
erCiso over you the care of guardian "A. No
sir lie had tull charge of me.
q. Did YOU have counsel or advice from any
person else2-A. No. sir; my stepmother and |
never got along well together. She never cared
much for me nnd never cared much for her.
q. When do you first remember your fathers
peCulinrics about religion "A. | remember MS II
and sunday school. lie thought he was SO holy
and good thnt 1t was not necessary.
q. Did he think that of you "a presume so.
] remember distinctly that used to 20 to Method
list and Presbyterian churches being naturally ofa
religious turn. lie did not think II utnll necessary,
aud le wanted TO run me right into the COM
munity.
q. Did he have family prayers?-A No. lie
used to think II wicked to pray IN thc ordinary
q. What did he substitute forit, then PA. When
we took meal we would gather round the table,
ana he would say, " confess Jesus Christ In this
food | thank God for John A. Noycs and the
Oneida Community" making NOyCs substitute
for the Lord Jesus Christ. That is the short oft.
q. Do You rcCollect any of his expressions OF
ihith in Chrst?A. lie was religious, nothing else
lie used TO do his work in II mechanical sort of
way. The rest of the time his mind was on
religion and the community. He used TO dream
over IL day and night.
q. Did you ever hear him say anything about
Joining the cnmmunity?-A. Oh, yes. He was
anxious to go there; he would have gone there ex
ccpt for his wife. My mother would not allow her
daughter to go there and that rather offended old
NuNCs, ana he would bot allow my iather TO come.
e. Ills wife would not GOA. M.
q. Was that the cause of the difficulty between
| thum?-A. Very decidedly. They were ut logger
community for twenty-five years and his body
was in FrecpOt
| healing dseases?-A. On, yes. He was cranky
| terribly olnnky-upon that
q. What makes you call him n crank IA. That
is short way to say that man is very badly in-
sane.
@. What was there about his ideas or
conduct mat was pecuIiarYoAc n.c,d ae onSsd used
with the Savior aud tile Dicty through faith
ana through the Oneida Community. that diseases
were something entirely irrelevant to health spir
itual and that If II man was sick II was because
the devil had got the start Of him and he prepared
to resist the devil by Jesus Christ. Ifa member of
his family was sick he would go TO the bed TO eX
communicate the devil by talk. prayer, sc.
q. Did you ever see him do iti-A. l think re-
cal the cases stated by Mr.. North.
O. How, In reference to your fathers conduct;
diu he put those ideas In use in practical liie?A.
| On, yes; he believed with the Oneida Community,
| in making everything gCOmnOn-Cummon property.
| lhat Is their doctrine If II man goes there with
$1,000 hc is not counted any better than u man
with ten cents Money does not count anything
| ut all there.
q. Did your father carry out those notions OF
! his?-A. think in 1859 he bought farm in Free
| port, and proposed to establish branch cOmmu-
nifty at Freepurt and he wrote to NOyes, and NOyes
| and Burt went out there to see the prOprety oi
establishing branch community OH my fathers
| farm.
| q. How was your father as to sincerity "A. He
was a very conscientious man aud avery honest
man.
q. As to intensity of belief or orconyction?-A. He
| was very intense. He could not bear any adverse
| talk about the community.
q. Did you ever have any controversy with him
| on that subjGct?-A. did prior to my becoming
| religious. l do not think ! had religious senSi-
bility until was about seventeen and half
WCnttD Ann AfDOr Wuell L WAS elBuleef. frlOr 10
| that used to think hc was crazy | did not be-
leve i'll his religion or any religion prior to my
OBSERVATION-DISCLOSURES is the word they used
That conversion was sometime i'll 1893. Prior u
that had been rather worldly, like most boys o
my age.
was gradually lending myself 10 my fathers spirit
and under the influence Of that spirit L got int
the oneida Community.
q, Did you ever adopt your fathers belief as L
healing Diseases by the effect of mith "A. did
somewhat. remember some of the time when
was IN Oneida | was sick and had headache.
used 70 say to the devil: "Go away from me, ole
devil"
O. Did you do that in fun?--A. Dead earnest
you may be sure of that-dead earnest Man!
people do not believe in doctors. They (relerrinl
| TO the Oneida Communists say u man Is sick be
cause lie is possessed of the devil and that il the!
eXcommunicate the devil the man Will be re
| stored TO health.
q. Did you believe that?--A. Decidedly.
q. When did you get over that idea IA. By thu
time got my eyes open from the other ideas-whei
got under the influence of the Y, NJ. G. A. AM
Beechers church. Beecher was supposed to be
yiTtuons man at that time. do not know any
thing about him now, except what said the othe
day.
At This Point Recess Was Taken,
after which the prisoner resumed tn
stand. He related how he had LEFT th
community in 1865 and gone to New Yorl
where he had paid 90 week for. II room oye
u bakery. He had got thoroughly disguised Twin
In Oneida He had made up his mind he was 4
hell, and that If he ever got in another place Ii
! a
dissatisfied with the whole business--social, spirit
ual, and everything else. He went to New York IN
tending TO establish great theocratic paper. Tn
letters which had been read indicated the condi
lion of his mind very well. lie consute
with printers aud editors and reporter
and those kind Of people, and the
call the paper The Theocrdt, and zone ofthose wis
newspaper fellows Thought that that was enorg
70 damn the paper" 80 he lie gradnaly abandone
back to the community. He was haunted day an
night by the idea that perhaps lie had missed hi
eternal salvation. He could not get any relief an
he went back 10 the community.
q. Did you get relief there?-A. Yes; coul
not get 1t any other way
( The prisoner went on TO relate, in reply TO qnes
tions by Mr.. ScOvile, how he came to be admitte
TO the bar lie said that hc read the law for thre
or four months IN the oihcS of NJ Reynolds 4
Q go and see Charlie Reed, the district attorney
Chicago. He went u see Reed, who took up
Q this: we hereby certiy that Charles j. Gultea
I has been examined By us, aud We consider hiI
5 qualified to practice law in the supreme Court {
"Take this paper 10 Judge Williams the judge
tho District Court ana you Will be admitted o
ySSn getting woDt GsFcHs IL ps of wS, E9Gd %b
signed the paper. asa matter OF course ,
THAT Is the way" added the prisoner, that
was admitted 10 practice made $1,000 tho iir
yenr i'm Chicago and 81, 900 the second year
!, q. Did Mr.. Reed usk you any questions?--f
| He asked three or four questions, ana think
answered all OF them Possibly may have misse
Y one.
q. When you then opened your law Office
|, Chicago what did you dora. | went arouu
I among business men-high toned business men
and got business from frst- merchants.
D would go up to man aud show him my card an
references q hud always good reierences), and thi
r is the way that got busness-on my reference
7 and my appearance, lLanghIcrl II n merchaI
= said TO me "Call IN again and will look up IN
y accounts would follow that man right up III
( Ill actually got his business. That Is the wa
. that got business in New York and Chicago.
= The prisoner then related his experiences
y pTactlCing law In New York from 1871 to 1879, an
said thatIi he had not been troubled with the Ne