The Rock Island Argus., 1881-08-05
CRIMINAL CONCERNS.
An interview with an ex-off-
cial On Internal Machines.
Murders, lnhuman Treatment
and other Criminalities.
INTERNAL INQUIsITIoN.

INTERNAL INQUIsITIoN
Sioux CITY. Aug. Judge Brennen,
late President of the order of United Irish
men, returned to the city this evening and
was interviewed by Journal reporter up
on the matter of the internal machines
lately discovered in Liverpool. and the
statement of P w. Grove, of Peoria, with
reference thereto.
s@Was this matter of sending internal
machines to England said the reporter
considered at the meeting of the United
Irishmen?"
"No such proposition" replied Judge
Bremen, was ever considered at any pub
lie meeting which have attended, or at
any private meeting which / have attend
ed"
.'Was this matter considered at any of
the meetings?"
IF it was, it was not at the meetings
attended. If such proposition was discuss
ed at other meetings. / am presumably un-
acquainted with the doing of such. You
must remember that am not longer in the
councils of the organization"
DO you think the order took any such
actionY'
"My thoughts on the subject would be
of no more value than anybody else's. The
agents of the Irish revolution may have
sent these machines, and it is quite likely
that they were sent by agents of the Eng
lish government"
''Then you would not approve of such
actions in the interests of Ireland?"
'1 would not approve of any action
tending to the destruction of non-combat
ants lives or private property The des-
truction of the forces and weapons max
ing war upon the lives and liberty of the
Irish people is another question"
II What would you say upon that ques-
tion?o
II would say that if could command
the fires from hell and draw down the
lightnings from heaven | would fling them
in the faces of those who are making war
upon the country"
Would you include Internal machines2'
Il haven't said that" responded the
Judge
!, Then you nearly agree with what
Grove is alleged to have said in the pub
lished interview
| ''That is inference on the part of the re-
porter That may be proved or disproved
by comparison"
What do You think of Groves state
ment?"
Il think he never made the statement
credited to him. for much of that state
/
is probably untrue. Grove has some pur
| pose in view other than enlightening tn:
public.
What do you suppose it ist"
81 can't say. but should suppose probab-
!. ly joke on the reporter"
; sfHow long since you were connected
with the directory of the United Irish
men9"
''Not since about the 18th of June.
was president up to that time.
| Are you at liberty to say why you re-
signed p
Eyes, I resigned realizing that am not
the stuff out of which practical revolution
| lists are made"
''Then the purposes of the order are
revolutionary q
Certainly"
"In what methods ?"
4 LAS to what the plans and purpose of
tbs organization are, as far as / have been
permitted to know, ] am not at liberty to
! disclose"
'1s Crow representative man in the Or
der ?''
Il know no act of his or any very effec-
tive service that entities him to be regarded
as representative man. His reputation
among the business people in the commun-
ity in which he lives, is very good. He is
the father of large family and certainly
moral man, unless over zeal in the cause of
| the Irish revolution would be deemed i'm
morality. If his statements are made in
sincerity and truth, he would be entitled to
credit. They might not be so, if his pur-
poses were to. deceive his enemies
DO you expect good for Ireland from
| the work of this order of United Irish
menY'
Every tree is known by its fruit. The
result for Ireland will depend on the wis
dom of those managing its affairs. The
spirits of Irish history teaches me this that
whatever of liberty they enjoy are the
fruits of physical resistance to the English
power in Ireland and except by the
methods of physical force l
have no hopes whatever for any conces
sions on the part of England. Every sub
stantial concession made to Ireland has
been made in response to physical force,
and the concessions were generally com
mensurate with the degree of force threat
ened or employed. But am no prophet
and do not pretend to foretell the results
that may come from the work OF these Irish
men"
THE CALENDAR.
NEW YORK, Aug. 4.-George Walker, of
Boston, who abducted child seven years
| old from the front of her parents residence
IN this city, has been sent to States Prison
: for ten years.
t INDIANAPOLIS, Aug. 3.-George Young
who escaped from tie House of Refuge
| and was recaptured last night, to-day made
application to be transferred to the Peni
: tentiary, giving as a reason the excessive
t cruelties practieed upon the boys who are
e inmates of the former institution. His
7 person still shows signs of the knouting
r he received prior to his sescape ten days ago,
] and he claims that the practice is to use
heavy black snake whips, occasionally
varied by thick punches of limbs, which
are first boiled to make them tough and