New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1881-12-07

different vlew not from insanity, but deprayity ana
| desire Of self-advancement.
The prisoner (violeny)-That is false. VIII tel you
that to your face say that the Republican party was
heating up it was red hot abOIt the first ofJuhe re'
hot about the first of July and there was no tehng Wha
might have resulted Ny inspiration was TO remove 'o
President do not pretend there was going 10 DC war
| but it woud have come in two or three years h'ei'
thing tending In that direction lwant tpa' PouN''o
| down.
Mr. Sc0vie dndignantly)-It is highly improper ioi
counsel to make a speech to the jury In arguing queS
| ton of law to the Court.
Mr. Porter-I do not understand that am Douhu W
ask your Honor to dismiss the jury every ne uisc"SS
question of law.
Mr.. scoyille-I merely make the suggestion. shall
not waste any time. have the admission "a''
The examination was then continued Witness stated
that he knew the prisoner slightly He came to the Office
of witness in Chicago about six years ago, said tha MS
was Guiteau and handed him roll OF papers that
he said editorials for newspaper he proposed 10
establish. He wanted witness TO lend him T2OOoOO |"
start the paper and said be would make him President oil
the United States
The prsoner am very sorry to contradict you Du'
never said
ON thai conversation did the prisoner appear to be
addressing you sincerely jokinglyl Al reyer met
him before He said he would call again, and he did SO
few days after He desired me 70 read those eaIhS e
torials aud did so.
The prsnner-ha part correct, but that about the
$500 COO is not wanted You to lend me some money
when trying to establish Tie IaterOcedn' You
went on to tell about Your affairs in sympathetic
manner You SAID you had put $4,000 into ihe inter-
ocean and would not put in another cent.
The wituess-I examined the articles he had brought
and when he came back | said that | did not care 10
engage in the enterprise. saw him twice since that at
the Arlington Hotel in March last He came IN with a
paper in the form Of recommendation unsigned and
asked me TO sign my name 10 it. 1t was asking the
President tn appoint him to the Austrian Mission or the
Paris Consulship. do not know which; rather THINK
it was In the alternative. That conversation lasted
very few minutes.
Q-Dii you observe his actions particularly A.-Not
specially.
Q-Did you have any other interview with him
A.-No sir
Q-Did you form any opinion as to ms mental con.
dition Al never thought him sane man III those
two interviews
Cross-examincd by Mr.. Davdge-Dh you have oc-
cason to form any opinion TO the knowledge on the
part Of the prisoner of right and wrongi
Mr. ScOyille objected.
The prisoner exci,edylI did not have any option in
The matter That dispoes Of the question Of right and
wrong had TO do il and that is all there ia about H.
The Court ruled that the capacity OF the prisoner to
distinguish between right and might be inquired
into
The prisoner-My mind absolutely blank in regard
right and wrong. had conception OF 1t as wrong
Inc on 40 lhal uct Nh' ?" rtI"HE
that had TO do IT, want TO keep pounding that IN.
Mr. scoyille excepted 10 the ruling OF the Court.
Mr. Dayidge then repeated the question.
Al met him on only three occasions. had no oc
cascn to act upon opinion except to the act Of
ending money and signing his paper refused In both
Of those instances think there grades in insanity
Mr Dayidgc-I think so.
The witness-I think nc knew the difference between
right and wrong.
Mr.. scoyille excepted to the
CHARAC CTERIZING HIS CRIME As ALLEGED SHOOTING.
The prisoner-That was about three months before
the alleged shooting This whole business reste the
simple question whetber the poiiy asgfod the act.
TIE Court tseyerely)-What Is the necessity Of your
The prisoner-it saves a good deal Of foolish talk
The next witness was George C. Gorhan. Editor Of
The Washington National ReUthcan lie stated that ne
had taken interest in politics ever since he had been able
To read the uewspapers hc had read the speech Of
the prisoner entitled "Gar1cd agaiuf. Hancock"
Mr.. scoyille handed the witness copy oi the speech
and asked hiH 10 read IL.
MIR. Scoville-lt will proceed. viii 70 on reading the
Mr. GnTIayn then glanced over the speech which had
been handed him, and the prisoner AZ SIR scovilies re-
quest, proceeded to read extracts from ms BOOK ana
read such portions o. m ~ a. LfeIea 20 ts AGsf % m % r
mark that Paul had got bis reward ana that nc Dute'
The examination Of Mr. Gorham was then continued.
Mr. sGoyeis there III IN ha1 accE spcccE e. 1 i
would entc il 10 be considered a remarkable prOduc
tion in political campaiCnl
The prisoner CyoleniIyj-I object to anv such talk. 1
told You so yesterday TO NJ. scoyle You going
to prove by Mr. Gorhan, who dld not read he speech
when it was irst published that am fool When that
speech was first delivered to the best men Of The country
they said that it good speech ana you can't prove
a wear afterward that 1t was not.
Mr. Dayidge suggested that If the prisoner said that
that question ought not to be answered. the Court ought
The prisoner stin addressing scoylle-nyou aban.
don your theory mat am fool, we can 20 on harmg-
niousy, but not before. considered II good speech
then though II rs a e oeaaet'Gf a, ,tt r1%, i may IA,
entertained TO the speech.
Mr. ScOyille-i ask you your own opinion.
The prisoner-What would you have thought about II
II you had read the speech on the 9th OF August when
The witness-It is pretty well condensed statement
OF the situation viewed by good many people II Is
neither remarkable on the one hand nor ridiculous ON
The prisoner-That ia all ever claimed for It.
Mr. scOyileIs there any such political merit IN that
The prisoner dnterrupng-I won't have you put tnat
Mr. scoville (continung)-As TO enhtle him to demand
the Ausui ian Mission as reward for III ,
The prisOner-I did not claim anything OF Inc klnd IL
is silly talk 10 put that in
The Court-That Is too vide question.
MI. Scoyillc-The jury can Judg: OF that. - -. g.,
The prisoner (approvingly)-Of course. tTo Mr. SEQ
ve)You getting cranky on this business yourself
toward the witness and asked-Dd you not write or i'll
splre editorials last spring denouncing President Gar
The witness-The editorials will tell for themselves
the Writing Of editorials denoncng Garfield in the Bit
terest terms, for wrecklng the Republican party 40
Inc Wltntrb-I VIII nol hlh"c uih 'hc
Court direcs The papers will show for themselves
The files are in existence
The C0urt--The files can be produced
The prisoner-I ask All order TO have the files pro
duced.
The Dstrict-Attorney-Mr GOrham does not have
troll of the files.
The prsoierHe IL the editor and the gentleman who
does all the head work II ne did not actually write the
editorials he inspired them. The paper dc
| nounced Garfield in the bitterest terms in
May and June for wrecklng the Republican party.
They could not say anything hard enough
| against him and they deify1ng him Go MIR.
Dayidge)-W you admit the fact That The ReDubticdn
was denOuncing Garfield in last May and June!
Mr.. Davdge-I did not read The Republican, 1 read
very few newspapers
The prisoner TO Mr.. Gorham)-I will have TO recall
you at a later period when the files are brought IN.
After pause the prisoner broke out would Ike 10
know If your Honor has signed that order!
The Court have not looked at II.
The prisoner texcltedyl-What has become OF that