The Portland daily press., 1881-11-18

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Q.-Yes
Odd you ever say to him that Guiteau
! was to have counsulship?
| A-Never in the world. l never remember
! of saving word to him about 1t or he to me.
Odd you make any remark at the time
| of or Immediately after the shooting when it
| was ascertained who it was as TO the mental
| condition of Gaiteau?
Al have no recollection of it.
Q.-What was the condition of the Republi-
| can party as to unanimity and harmony for six
| weeks before the shooting OF the President?
A.-There were some dissensions in it,
Q.-They were considerable were they not?
A.-Yes sir.
Q.-They created good deal of excitement
in the country?
Al should say not in the country.
Q-I mean among the people?
A-Dissensions were largely local. There
were differences between the President and
some members of the party about some matters
in New York.
Q. They were agitated in the press all over
the country?
A-They were commented upon.
OIL wish you would state briefly to the
jury the substance of this dissension here in
Washington and New York as matter of
evidence. / refer to the differences that Gull
minated in the resignation of the Senators
from New York?
Al do not exactly know the sense of the
question.
| O.-Wef0 In6r6 any Sucn trOuol6S!
A.-Oh yes! there were very sharp differ
ences of opinion.
Q.-Were there not acts as well as opinions?
A-Yes.
Q-What did they consist of?
A.-The acts that created differences?
Q-There was more than one act in that
| connection.
Aft you will specify any particular one
will give my opinion upon it.
Q.-Perhaps if call your attention to the
conduct of certain individuals, you can an
| swer. How was it with Senator Conkling OF
New York? Did he do anything or say any
| thing that led to that trouble that famed the
| difference or promoted it?
| A.-What difference QLaughter)
| Gin the Republican party.
| A.-About what2
| Q-Ohi of course if you do not know you
| needn't answer.
! Ali Senator Conklng spoke he must have
| spoken about some particular thing.
| Q-I don't want any long disquisition. l
| simply ask you to state to the jury the sub
| stance of the trouble in the Republican party.
| Al do not exactly see the point which the
| counsel desires me to testify. L have no re-
luctance to testify and | hope he will not cou-
strue my answer in that way. The President
| had appointed Robertson as collector OF GUS
toms at New York, and on that and the pro-
| priety of it there grew feeling between him
| and his administration and the Senator from
| New York.
Mr. Scovlle-Now if you will go still further
| and state what happened after the disagree
| ment grew up. What resulted from itG
| Al am sure / can make politca; speech
| of two hours and half on the subject. Iaugh-
ter.) If you will ask specific questions will
| answer them.
| O.-What was done if anything by the sena-
| tors from New York after disagreement arose
| with the administration? Did they resign?
| A.-They resigned, yes sir.
| Q.-When was that?
I Al think the resignation was on the 2Sth
| of MAY. OF that will not be positive (Potte,
Dist. Atty. Am correct9
Dist. Att'y-It was earlier than that, about
| the 18th.
Prisoner (quietly)-Sixteenth of May.
Scoville-We will say the 9th of May. What
| was the cause of their resignation.
| A.-Discontent with the Presidents action
| in appointing Robertson.
| Q.-What followed Immediately after in re-
| lattice to the election of their successor?
Al am very certain 1 do not see what
! counsel desires NE to testify about. If you ask
| any question specifically will answer it.
| Mr.. Scoville-Did not considerable feeling
| exist for several days here in the Senate and
| in Washington over that matter of disagree
ment?
| Ayes.
Q.-That resulted in the recognition of those
| Senators, did it not?
Witness nodded assent.
Q.-The next step was to elect successors in
| New York?
Another nod.
| Q-And the matter came before the Legisla-
| ture and resulted in a struggle there?
| Another pod.
| Q.-How long did that continue?
| A.-The struggle continued until long after
| the President was shot,
| Q-And commenced Immediately after res
| equation?
A-Yes.
| Odd that struggle generate or keep up
the feeling that existed and caused the resig-
| nation?
| Mr.. Davidge-I must object to that exami-
nation. 1t is taking too wide range.
| Seoville-If the court please it may be, and
| we consider it important to show that that
there was quarrel in the Republican party;
| that it was outspoken and persistent, and that
| instead of being healed IL was growing wider
if possible SO that even the death of the Presi-
| dent did not interrupt the daily chickering's and
strife that existed in the Legislature at Albany
ta Ia he RsR P e s 81 we country
| feeling that prevailed in the community In or
| der to show in its proper relation the influence
brought to bear on the mind of the prisoner.
| Davidge-In order to save time we withdraw
any objections
Scoville-When did that contest terminate
| in Albany?
| Witness-I think that the termination of it
| was in the election of the second Senator LAP
ham) Ny recollection would be it was about
l.
have been later.
1 did not change my mind with it, The .rea-
son did not was that was very deeply All
sorbed and engrossed in the condition of the
| President. l can say to counsel that after the
President was shot the political canvass gave
me as little concern and ELECTED from me as lit
tie observation as from any individual in the
country.
Scoville-No doubt of that?
Witnoss-I took no part whatever in the
contest in the New Pork Senate.
Scoville-I meyer understood that you did,
did not question you with that idea. l wish to
know if those factions in the Republican party
were classified under certain heads, and if SO,
what were they denomnated?
Al believe they were commonly designa-
ted as ''Stalwarts" and 'Halfbreeds."
Odd not this term "Stalwarts" date
back to the political campaign last year, in
Guiding Grant, Logan and Conkling. Were
they not designated as "Stalwarts" and was
not that term used in $3.50?
A.-Yes, the term is older than that.
Odd it not become prominent before the
people in connection with the Chicago conven-
ton?
Att was used there.
Gas applicable to delegates that stood by
Grant was it not. There were BOG think?
A.-Oh yes.
OIL believe Guiteau refers to the term
"stalwarts" in some of his letters?
Al believe he does.
Q.-What would any one understand prop
erly from the use of that word?
A.-Well if counsel is wishing chapter in
political history to form a part of the testi-
mony it ought to be q correct one. The term
''stalwart' originated before that. invented
the word myself. Uaughter.)
Q.-Then you are just the man we want to
have explain it. When Guiteau, in his letters
or speeches in the latter part of 1880 and the
first of 1881 refers TO himself as ''stalwart"
what did he mean?
A Il suppose he ment to class himself with
the personal supporters of Gen. Grant.
Odd not those supporters after Garfield
wa, nominated become his supporters?
A.-Naturally.
Q.-Was it not the fact?
A.-Of course they were Republicans and
Republicans support ed Garfield.
Q.-The "Stalwarts' worked for the elec-
ton of Garfield?
Avery heartily and very cordially. Yes
sir was one of them.
Q.-What was understood by ssHalfbreeds"
in New York?
A.-They included all Republicans in New
York not included among "Stalwarts."
)Laughter)
@. Then there were only two divisions
theres
Ayes.
Q.-To what branch did the person appoint-
ed collector belong?
Ale was classed in the nomenclature of
New York with 'Half-breeds"
To hat