National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1881-12-24
A NEW COUNSEL.
Tco H,ued from Firsi Pagc.l

Of win aud Of Judgment / believe
that Guitcnu should be Kept securely IN an in
sane Gy%W % az SE n Ig E'UEyy never ieu per
mancnt II holfof what Is said Of Guitcnu be
true he Is insane and not fully responsible. have
made a special study Of insanity since January.
1861 You can Judge better than |
whether any views or opinions OF mine can he Of
Mr scovuc then called attention to the letter
from Dr spilzkn, TO which the prisoner alluded
yesterday Ii was but Just TO- say Tint the letter
was addressed to him (scovillc) and not to the
Mr. Dayldge complained that every day the
court was RECALLED by variety Of explanations
aud dcrluuiuus. This was trial OF law case,
aud most serious case.
Mr.. Scoville-i am not saying one word that is
not appropriate to be said, but what the prisoner
says Is proper subject of comment The prisoner
said that he had letter from DR.. spitzkn. Coun
sci on the other side had the right 10 comment on
that i0g and il was known that they would com
meni, Iccausc Or. Spiizka said that the prisoner
was insane.
Dr. spiizkn'n Lciicrto n Moral Monster.
Mr.. nnyidgc-Dr Sptzka did not say that the
prisoner was not t person to write letters to. lie
said that in his Judgment the man was intellcctu-
ally and pCrccptiOnaly sane, ana moral mon.
strosity. That is the evidence Of Dr. Spakn-as
fatal To the prisoner ms that of any other witness.
The lriSoner-llc did not say anything Of the
Kind, judge.
Mi. scoville then objected to n portion Of tho
testimony given yesterday, and nude n citation
from u \. y Thc People vs.. Lake., the ilrs cila.
ton made In the case Objection was oNerrulcd
aud exception akem.
The prisoner then broke in imraticnuy and
Violently: There is a vast amount of rubbish
getiihg mo thls case which has nOlhllg Whatever
70 90 WIN H. can these experts ic tht eonulilun
ofmy mind on the 2d Of July and for thirty days
prcNious' What Is going on in the mind OF the
foreman ofthat jury, or in His llunors mind?
dha would DG ner,lnen,. Az is rubbish 9GohI ,o
probably take an act Of God to finish this case if
II hgs To tnke one OF lho@ jufymen on OF ihat
panel Vne 9i the Jury mas lost ms Wlle nn9 4 am am
juymCu will get off of that panel Hs an act OF God
can gtI JusllSC IN amy oiher way, zoo KNOWS
that would not have shot the President fho had
nov put ~ on me. rus IupplSu ,uSB"sls hle' IL ~
enough 10 mnkc any man mail .
Mr. scoyille then, at the request of the District
Attorney, read the letter received nom Dr. Spiizka,
in which he states the probability Of Or. Hnmil-
TONS inspiring recent editorial III the fhilndcl.
nnla h,shWg Bnt,im iis nayises Nr. sonHille TO
lnttuuUcC tnc C!isl ol NullcUu hchl III eNlutucc,
@ @nl3 TO nSE ~ hanlt9n MhetliCr broca oocs not
oall such skulls AZ uuiieaus abnormal.
Reflection on thc Government Experts.
He further snys: "Dr Kiernan gave you the
evidence necessary In asking questions In such an
order that the bed,fo are convicted as liars and
tells Mir scoyille to command him MS to amy scieu-
tifC advice he may need; aud states thai he re.
ceiyed over two hundred letters of congratulalion
ana colnnendaton, three anonymous threats and
TWO from iunatics.
inc Dlsltlct Atorney-Ihe attempt 10 renect on
man on the stand -,
The Prsoner-l was going TO ASK about Ed
wards; never talked to any person, man woman,
chap
-, William a. EDWARDS, OF brooklyn, was called TO
This is a clerk Shaw used to have in his Office
ten years ago. have not seen the fellow since"
The witness testified that nc was clerk IN
law once; lhat ne hnd known the prisoner from
October. ISL TO April 1872; saw the prisoner
everyday, -. .-,,.,.. -, -,
conditil oimy mind on the 2d July last
Witness had frequent conversations with the
pris9ncr. lie had heard the conversation, which Tl
dent LINCOLN.
What did you hear?
The Witncss-Ycs.
The Prisoner.-lf you go straight you won't say n
The Witness-The conversation was between Mr..
shaw and the prisoner. was seated at the desk at
work on something. l did not pay much attention
tothe first part the conversation, until they talked
about President Lincoln. The prisoner said TO
Mr.. shaw; Well, what about booth? J Booths "a
name will be notorious us long as l!incons." Shaw
said "Ycs-notOrious--but in what way? Lin
coin, n statesman and patriot; Booth, an assas
sin" The prisoner said that he would be noto-
rlous, too. Mr.. Shaw said: " If you are notorious
in that way youwill be hanged" lie said: " ldon't
kno" nDout mat
Mr. Reed Appears la the Case.
The cross; examination OF this witness was con-
ductcd by Mr.. Reed, who questioned him closely
as to the length Of time for (which he had been II
mwyers eierE; ana Hs to MS smowiSdSG about me
papers that this Indictment had been raked up
10 crow over him. lie said to Shaw: you have
got 1t aud are going TO get 1t. knew you would
go the rounds Of the papers as a pGrjuref."
MIR. Rccd-Yes; that Is true.
The Witncss-NO; 1t Is not so. know all about
that transaction, and that Mr. Shaw was not
guilty Of perjury. In response to further questions
the witness testified that he was present dur
ing the conversation to which Mr. Shaw had
sworn. If Mr. Shaw said that there was no.
body present but the prisoner and himself
Explained by stating that Mr. Shaw was apt
IN yntn nypitY1 Nyl tlp witness stand. A a.
PLANTATION which, taken in connection with the
witness own nervousness, occasioned a good deal
of flaughter Witness was present and took part in
the conversation, and In the afternoon OF the same
day told Mr.. Shaw TINT prisoners talk did not
sound wcll-that anybody hearing 1t would think
that he was blood Thirsty. The prisoner was in
the next room and heard The remark.
The Prisoner-This whole talk is pure fiction.
HooIb " " ~
What did Shaw say in reply TO you? That no.
body would pay any attention TO what Guieau said
Why? We used TO hear very funny converse.
tions from him at times
This answer was given rather inaudibly, and Mr.
Dayidgc called upOn the witness To speak louder
a XyIturss who Plcnsc. t;uitcnu
rho ,risnnor oyidnn,,,. ,Ioovo5 ,yi,h thn ronI,,
advised Mr. Dnyidge To- Keen Ills ears omen. md
said that the witness was going TO show him
(GuitCau) to be crank.
Mr.. Reed then repeated his question: "Why p
He used to talk very - (hesitating). lie used tc
get oil things other people would not think Of
Al Intervals his conversation was different from
that OF ordinary men. Itwas
Was It not subject of remark for you and Mr.
Shaw that he was Il strange man? cannot an
swer for Shaw l know thought so. He used
fered in the Chicago fire. He used to magnify
things We thought he did not exactly stick TO the
truth He would do mean things.
witness, IN such an astonished tone as 10 provoke
laughter, and then rCcouned the story OF Guitcau
cheating pGwnbroker by means of goloid watch
Was IL not true that the conversation was sucf