Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1880-06-19
THE SAGE OF UTICA.
What Carter Harrison Has to Say after a
Call Upon Mr.. Seymour.

NUst OpOH LIT ocyHeOWTs
From Chicago Times
Mayor Harrison returned from his three
days trip to the East on yesterday morning,
and spent the day examining the city gov
eminent to see whether anything had gone
wrong during his absence. It was learned
that he had been in consultation with Horatio
Seymour while East, and it was surmised
that the visit had somewhat of political
significance. However, the Times reporter,
who called upon the mayor last evening, re-
ceived full explanation of how the political
matter had come to be naked up with Mayor
Harrison's official acts His honor was
found reclining upon the steps of
enjoying the gently falling dew,
and specializing upon municipal gov
eminent among the celestial bodies doubt
less, with feeling that whatever other adj
vantage the possible inhabitants of Mars
might have, they are still behind the earth
in the matter of model mayor.
In answer to the reporters inquiries as to
the nature of his visit East, and his inter
view with the sage of Utica, Mayor Harrison
answered:
81 am very deeply interested in having
good sidewalks in Chicago, and wanted to
find where we could get the best Medina
sandstone. went first to Buffalo, leaving
here last Saturday evening, and there found
that very superior article of sandstone
could be found at Utica, SO l went at once to
that place, and while there
VISITED NIB. SEYMOUR
at his beautiful mansion just outside the
town. Mr.. Seymours place is one of the
most lovely that I have ever seen. 1t COM
mands full view of Utica, which lies in a
deep hollow or amphitheater, and is sur
rounded by magnificent maple and elm shade
trees. I found Mr.. Seymour to be in excel
lent health, physically and mentally, and not
appearing to be day over sixty years of age.
His frame is still erect and his mind re-
markedly vigorous. In fact there is not the
slightest sign of senility about the man. We
had quite long conversation about the
Michigan & Illinois canal, in which he takes
deep interest, as he does about everything
pertaining to the Northwest. He showed me
an article prepared by himself over forty
years ago, in which he predicted the future
greatness of this section of the country,
which In the light of the present day might
almost be regarded as prophecy.
Politics were finally brought into the con-
versation. told him of the strong feeling
there is here in the West and in other parts
of the country, and the complete unanim-
ity in Chicago that he should be the Demo
cratic nominee for the Presidency. To this
Mr.. Seymour replied that he was
NOT IN CONDITION TO MAKE THE RACE,
and had no desire for it; that he found suf-
icient amusement in his library and his or
binary pursuits, and that the injuries which
he had sustained from a sunstroke which
occurred to him four years ago-an unequal
circulation of blood-would leave him open
to the imputation, were he to be elected
President, that he had accepted an Office for
which he was either physically or mentally
untitled.
81 tried to persuade him that it would be
necessary to have him for the nominee to
create harmony between the factions in his
State in order that that there might be any
hope of carrying the State, and that Tilden
certainly would be defeated by Kelly's oppo-
sition, should he secure the nominstion.
"To this he replied that in all probability
it would be better for the party to go out
side the State for candidate, as the trouble
between the different factions, which was in
reality bad feeling between the New York
city Democrats and those of the State, an
which is of long standing, would be almost
certain to iniure the chances of any candi-
date within the State, for if candidate
was supported by one of the factions or
was connected with it in any way, he would
be certain to be opposed by the others. He
10 oh fpo1
bic that Van Buren, was beaten, and that the
best Democratic majorities ever given in the
State were from Democratic candidates out
side of it. We then talked over
THE CHANCES OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES
and he expressed the belief that any good
man from outside the State would certainly
be elected
"Did you ask him if he would accept the
nomination if it were offered him?"
ct did. repeatedly, ond his answer was in
variably that it was condition of affairs
which could not arise. From my converse
ton with him on this point am convinced
that he is unwilling not only to be candi-
date, but to be elected.
'In the afternoon we visited the cheese ex-
chance of Utica,of which he is president, and
while in the,town Mayor Spring and myself at
tackled Mr.. Seymour again upon the subject.
We told him that we would go out and do
all we could to find some candidate from out
side the State who could be elected, but that if
such an one could not be found We would go
back to him; but we failed to induce him to
say that he would
ACCEPT THE NOMINATION.,
as he only laughed at the statement. Al
though he would not admit it, 1 feel that if
he were rendered the nomination in such q
way that it would be apparent that there
would be no particular opposition in his own
State, he would accept it. just at present
the fact that he is supported by John Kelly
makes it look as though he would have the
opposition of the Tilden faction.
"Do you know anything about how the
Tilden delegation look upon Mr.. SEYMOUR
81 only saw three of them, and they were
all friendly to him, and expressed the belief
that the whole delegation would support MIR.
Seymour if Tilden were out of the field. In
Utica the feeling is that there is not the
slightest danger regarding Mr.. Seymour's
health, and that it is nothing but his morbid
conscientiousness in the matter which pre-
vents him from allowing his name to be
used"
The reporter essayed to find whether the
mayor had any candidate in his minds eye
from outside New York who could carry