The Columbian. [volume] (Bloomsburg, Pa.) 1866-1910, 1880-06-18
Throwing Mud at Garfield.
WHY IT Is THROWN.

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Jan. %, 1873. Oakes Ames recalled:
Question In regard to Mr.. Garfield,
state to the committee details of trans
actions between you aud him in reference
to Credit Moblier STOCK. Answer. got
for Mr.. Garfield ten shares of the Credit
Mobilier stock, for which he paid par and
interest.
@. When did you agree with him for
tha? A. That agreement was in December
1867 or January 1868; about that time; about
that time had these conversations with all
of them; 1t was all about the same time.
Q. State what grew out of it. A. Mr..
Garfield did not pay me any money; l sold
bonds belonging to his $1,000 of his stock
at 81, making s776; in June received a
dividend in cash on his stock of 5000 which
left balance due h im of 1929, which paid
him; that is all the transaction between US;
| did not deliver him any stock before or
since: that is the only transaction and the
only thing.
@. The 1929 which you paid him was the
surplus of earnings on the stock above the
amount to be paid for it, par value? A.
| Yes, sir; he never had either his Credit Mo-
bilier stock or Union Pacific railroad stock;
the only thing he realized on the transac-
ton was the 1929.
@. ] see in this statement of the account
with Gen. Carried a charge of S47 that is
inter rest from the July previous, is it? A.
Yes, sir.
@. And the SIG on the credit side OF the
account is the so per cent bond dividend
sold at 81? A. Yes, sir.
@. And the Sl00 on the 5000 on the credit
side is the money dividend? A. Yes, sir.
@. And after you had received these two
sums, they in the aggregate overpaid the
price of stock and interest 1920, which you
paid him. A. Yes, sir.
@. How was that paid? A. Paid in money,
| believe.
O. Did you make a statement of this to
Mr.. Garfield? A. presume so. think l
did with all Of them that is my impress
sion.
| @. When you paid him this 1929 did you
understand it was the balance of his divi-
dend after paying for his stock? A. | sup
pose so; |. do not know what else he could
suppose.
Q. You did not deliver the certificate Of
stock to him? A. No, sir he said nothing
about that.
| Q. Why did he not receive bis certificate ?
A. Do not know.
Q. Do you remember any conversation
between you and him in the adjustment of
these accounts? A. do not.
@. You understood you were the holder
of these ten shares? A. Yes, sir,
@. Did he so understand it? / presume
so. 1t seems to have gone from his mind,
however.
@. Was this the only dealing you had
with him in reference to any stock. A.
think 50.
| @ Was it the only transaction OF any
kind. A. The only transaction.
@. Has that 1929 ever been paid to you?
A. have no recollection of it.
@. Have you any belief that il ever hast
A. No, sir.
@. Did you ever loan Gen. Garfield $500?
A. Not to my knowledge; except that he
calls this a loan.
@. You do not call it loan? A. did
not at the time. am willing it should 60
to suit him.
Q. What we want to get at is the exact
truth. A. have told the truth in my state
meut.
@. When you paid him 1929 did he un-
derstand that he borrowed that money from
you? A. / do not suppose so.
| Q, Have you any belief that he supposed
so? A. No; only from what he said the
other day. do not dispute anybody
! @, We want your judgment of the trans
action. A. My judgment of the transaction
is Just as told you. There was but one
thing about it.
| Q. That amount has never been repaid to
you. You did nor suppose that you had any
right to it, or any claim to it2 A. No, sir.
O. You regarded that as money belonging
to him after the stock was paid for? A.
Yes, sir.
Q. Did Gen, Garfield ever receive these
bonds? A. No, sir; never has received but
$32G
| @. And that.he has received as his own
money? A. suppose so; it did not belong
to me. should not have given it to him il
it had not belonged to him.
@. You did not understand it to belong
to you as loan; you never called for it and
have never received it back? A. No, SIR
@. Has there been any conversation be-
tween you aud him in reference to the Pa
cifc stock he was entitled to? A. No, sir
@. Has he ever called for it1 A. No, sir.
@ Have you ever offered it to him? A.
No. sir.
@. Has there been any conversation in re-
lation to it? A. No, sir.
@. Has there ever been anything said be
tween you and him about resembling the
purchase of the ten shares of Credit Mobil
ier stock? Has there anything been said to
you of its being thrown up or abandoned or
surrendered? A. No, sir, not until re.
Gently,
Q How recently. A. Since this matter
came up.
@. Since the investigation commenced
A. Yes, sir.
@. Did you consider at the commence
ment OF this investigation that you held these
other dividends, which you said you did moi
pay to him in his behalf? Did you regard
yourself as custodian of these dividends foi
him? A. Yes, sir; he paid for his stock and
is entitled to his dividends.
Q. Will the dividends come to him at any
time on his demand? A. Yes, sir; as soon
as this suit is settled.
Q. You say 1929 was paid to him; how
was it paid A. presume by check Of SER
geant-at-arms. / find there are some checks
fled without any letters or initials indicat
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