The news and herald. (Winnsboro, S.C.) 1877-1900, 1880-01-08

IN If1ERPIEW WITH GRiST.
What the Ex-Presilent Said to Judge Mac
key in n Conversation OIL the Cars.
SDctlal to the News and Courier.

key III n Conversation OH the Cars.
SacCial to the News and Courier.
COLUMBIA, January 1.-Judgc Mae
key, who has come here to open court,
Travelled from Chester to this city ycstcr-
day in company with General Grant,
and gives some interesting details or
his conversation with him, and of Incl
dents on the road. lie states that
there were crowds at all the dcpots
along the route, composed Of both
whites and blacks, seeming chiefly to
to be attracted by curiosity. Some
little enthusiasm was shown, and occa-
sionally there was slight cheering.
Grant said that he discovered no differ
cncc i'll his reception in the South from
what it was mt the North, and express
ed qualification at tho welcome lie had
EsstsiIYedM ~ a5d 1a the general spirit mani, n
tached no political Significance to the
demonstrations Of this section, but at
tributed them to the kindly hospitali-
ty OF the people. He osked as to the
condition of the negroes, and express
ed his conviction that thcy did not
seem oppressed, estimating the degree
OF their prosperity, at the suggestion Of
the Judge, in proportion to the broad
ness of the grins rs the train passed.
tie also remarked on the evident amia-
bic relations between the races and the
mutual goodwill and confidence cyi-
dcnccd in tho general intcrmingling
and good-naturcd rough and tumble
Jostling in the crowds about tho rail
road stations in pushing towards the
train. tic expressed considerable sur
prise on seeing 80 much equality in cx-
istcncc. lie said that all the indica-
fions he had seen pointed to reunited
country and the fading away Of fscction-
nj feelings. lie seemed to be convinced
that the Southern people are principal
ly dovoting themselves to the develop
mcnt of their own internal resources.
At Columbia he remarked that lie was
the only ex-Presidcnt, and the Judge
remarked that he might not bear that
title year from now. General Grant
said that year from now Mr.. Hayes
would still be PIT sidcnt, and Judge Mac
key said: "Wcll,a year and q few
months. may be-" Justice Willard re-
marked that Judge Mackcy was play
ing on the words eek" and "next"
President, and Grant said he under
stood, and seems to have shut up i'm
mcdiatcly and permanently. Grant
pointed to blackened chimney rs he
entered tho city and said, "Thcrc's one
or Shcrman's monuments" He seems
to have talked at some length regard
ing the incidents Of the war, speaking
particularly of his intcrposition to pre-
vent tho threatened arrest and prose.
cution ofall Confederate Generals, of
tho humane treatment of Lees army at
Appomattox, and in preventing the
destruction of private property by his
army in Virginia.
General Grant asked if tho Demo-
cratic party was not divided in this
state, and the Judge says that he gave
him very emphatic assurances to the
contrary. 1Ie also developed al inter-
cst on tho subject Of tissue bllIots and
said that liampton's dcnunciation of
them was u bold step and gratiilcd him,
and was a virtual admission of their
use. 1t being stated that tho necessity
for them existed occasionally for the
preservation Of civilization hc remark-
ed, rather jocularly, that he hoped that
the necessity wouldn't arise too fire.
quently.