The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1856-1888, 1880-08-07

ing a report that was recently published, Il
which he gave one-third and suppressed two.
thirds. These and other reasons were the cause
OF bis not having any confidence in the Govern.
ment.
The ayes and noes were called on the indefinite
postponement of the resolution as follows:
ATEs-Wilder, Kspens, s Z Kaai. Preston, Dominis
Kanoa, Bishop, Kahanu, Cleghorn, Kuihelani, Dowsett
Moanaui. Castle. Judd, Kunuiakea, Keau. Kalams, Ka.
uiukou, kahulu, KaanaanA, Glendon, Nawahi, Wahine.
Ksunamano, Woods; s W Kaai. PilipO, KApahu, G n
NoEs-Messrs Bush, Rhodes, Lilikalani, Aholo. Gibson
Nahaku, kalua, r W Wilcox. Mahoe, Kuapuu.-I0.
The House adjourned at 5 P. NJ.
SEvENTY-FIFTH DAY-Thursday. August 5tb. 1880.
RESOLUTIONS.
Mr.. Hoapili Baker introduced a resolution to the
effect that members and their families be provided
with an inter-island steamer to convey them home.
the expense to be paid out of Legislature ex-
penses.
The President ruled the resolution out of order.
RESOLVED, that the Minister of Finance is here
by authorised to pay the Commissioner of Crown
Lands the sum of $50. 900 for the purpose of can
ceiling certain notes of His Majesty the King, now
held by Capitalists the Commissioner of Crown
Lands shall from time to time pay into the public
treasury One-fourth of the income of said lands,
or other monies coming into the possession of the
Commissioners, with interest, not to exceed five
per cent until the aforesaid principal sum shall
have been paid.
III AsoOoNo C1fAs NhS oO - ~
bill or resolution to be brought before the Assem-
bly, at this stage of the proceedings. We do not
know what it is for. We are left to guess. 1t ap-
pears to be part OF the $40, 900 for which the last
Ministry went out of office. This assembly is set
at defiance by the Commissioners of Crown Lands
and now they come in and ask for $4,000, and
we don't know what are the receipts of the crown
lands. If there are things that can Justify such
writings as were in the Gazette of yesterday. it is
such things as these. He was opposed to the pas
sage of this resolution. We all know that the
Sovereign cannot be sued. and if he has notes
ont, let those people who risked their money wait
till he has the money to pay them. This assembly
has nothing to do with these notes. Our duty is
to protect the country as we'll as to protect the
person of the Sovereign.
The Attorney General said the crown lands are
not mortgaged or ~encumbered in any way, and
they cannot be by law. With regard to His
Majesty's debts he did not intend TO say a word
without His Majesty's permission.
Mr.. Gibson said he agreed with the remarks of
the Hon. noble that this was an extraordinary
matter and presented IN an extraordinary way.
He would ask, with all respect to the Ministers, if
they had any cognizance of this matter, or OF it
was presented with their approval.
The Minister of Foreign Relations said. that nei-
Their he nor the Attorney General nor the Com
Mr.. Gibson continued. These are matters re-
lating to the person of the Sovereign that ought
to be brought in by the Ministers. and in his
opinion members ought not to undertake to do
Ministerial duties. There had been a subsidy bill
recommended by IA message from the throne, a
coronation bill, and now this bill relating to His
Maiesty's private business-and all introduced by
members. 1t is certainly to be wondered at that
all such measures should originate with the Re-
representatives. of the people. In all constitutional
monarchial governments, such bills as relate to
the Sovereign ought to originate with the constitu-
tional advisers of the King. This is only another
illustration of a Ministry that are not in harmony
with their Sovereign, and gives warrant for that
want OF confidence recently discussed in this
Assembly. He would not say whether he would
oppose this bill or not. 1t needs investigation.
Perhaps there are certain obligations that the Gov
eminent might properly adjust. by a transfer
of money from the treasury to be refunded by a.
mother department without loss to the public
funds but relief to His Majesty. He thought the
matter should be referred to a committee, so that
the House may have further information on the
subject.
MIR. Aholo said. be thought that this was a thing
that ought to be done, and therefore be brought
it in.
The resolution was referred to the following
as a Special Committee Messrs. Nawahi. Aholo.
Minister of the Interior, Minister of Finance, and
j. l. Dowsett.
ORDER OF THE DAY.
Consideration of an act to aid the development
of the resources of the kingdom, on its second read
ing.
Mr.. Cleghorn moved that the bill be indefinite
iy postponed. He considered this the most dangerous
bill ever brought before the Assembly since the or
ganization of the Government. The passage of this
bill would be the end of the existence of this country.
The member who introduced it had no idea of the
magnitude of SO, 200, 900. He was not opposed to
a small loan if introduced by the Government and
the country needed it, provided it could be used
judiciously. They would be very fortunate to get
rs cents on the dollar. There would then be 81, $780,
900 gone at once. That is not, however, the most
part of it Any person in Great Britain,
France, or the United States. lending this money,
would afterwards have more influence In this country
than the King on his throne. because they would
send their agent here as thy have done in Egypt,
Turkey and elsewhere. They would secure the Gus
toms duties and insist upon the interest being paid
before anything else. If that interest was not paid
they would be backed up by a vessel of war, as
these nations always protect the interests of their sub
jects. What is the interest on e10, 600, 900 at 8 per
cent? 1t is $500, 900, and even if it could be had at
the low interest of 6 per cent. it would absorb
$500, 900 annually, nearly all the revenue we get
now. Besides, it is a most extraordinary thing this
Session that a loan, if required, should not be
brought in by the Government. Such acts are not
known where there is a constitutional Govern
mcnt, and had they introduced such a bill as
this, he would call them traitors to their country.
He was as deeply Interested in the welfare OF
this country as anyone else. We can look near to-
us and see New Zealand backed up by an Imperial
Government borrowing large sums of money at S5
and 81 on the dollar. This money was to develop
railroads and introduce population. but we know
that a great deal of corruption has followed. Now
they are cutting down salaries and dismissing
clerks throughout the country. He was reading
the last few days General Grants tour round the
world, and when he came to japan, he could not
help thinking of the advice the General gave to
the Japanese. He was asked by the Emperor to
give his advice. he did not volunteer it. General
Grant said 'That there was nothing which Japan
should avoid more strenuously than mourning
debts to European nations. So long AS the Gov
eminent borrowed from its own people it was well.
But loans from foreign powers were always at
tended with danger and humiliation. Japan could
not go into a European money market and make a
loan that would be of an advantage to her, The
experience of Egypt was a lesson. Egypt was al
lowed to borrow right and left, to incur an enOr-
nous debt. The result is that Egypt has been
made a dependency of her creditors, Turkey owed
much of her trouble to the same cause. A country
like Japan has all the money she wants Tor her
own affairs, and any attempt to bring her into in
debtedness to foreign powers would only be to
lead her into the abyss in which Egypt has fallen"
Mr.. Cleghorn continued. When reading this book
he could not help thinking it applied 10 Hawaii,
and just so sure as this measure passed it would
be the end of this country. When a country gets
a lot of money like that. it is squandered and spent.
but the day comes to repay it, and If ii could not
be paid they would take your islands. Where is
the individual who does not feel better if he owes
nothing, and so it is with a nation. What do We
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