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The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18
MIR. Lee and the Boys.

An interesting trial took place before
Squire Day. at Chatham. ON Monday last
between some boys Of that place and Mr.
Samuel Lee.
1t appears that the boys had been bath
ing in the river near Lees house, and he
wishing to break up the custom, threw theil
clothes in the water. and subsequently
had the boys arrested and fined 81 each fol
trespassing.
The boys in turn sued Mr.. Lee for dam
aging their clothes, and this was the tria,
which occupied the whole of last Monday
the jury, at IL o'clock P. NJ, rendering q
verdict compelling Lee to pay for the cloth
ing and the costs Of the suit.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18
An Exciting aeo-as-you-please..,

Our police experienced their first official
chase on Wednesday afternoon last, upon
the occasion of arresting 'Reddy' Fitzger-
aid, who was wanted in Newark for the
alleged theft of a suit of clothes. The
Marshal received a telegram from Newark
authorities demanding Fitzgerald $ arrest,
and upon the latter being sighted" in
Market street. he started through the
Farmers Hotel yard, down through the
stables and out into Bank street, where he
was overhauled and taken to Castle
McDasit, to await the Newark officers. II
might as well be understood that wher
the Marshal and his assistant go for'' q
man they mean to get him. Fitzgerald
was taken to Newark yesterday. by Detec
tive Haggerty.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18
RAILROAD TIME TABLE.

Trains leave Morristown for New York
$40, $50, 80. sos, $40, l0.45 A. NJ; 1,20,
S.15, 4.40, $40. 905P.M
Trains leave New York for Morristown
7.20, $40. 1910. lilo A. NJ, 1900 NJ; 2.SO
$780, 400, $40, $50, 7.45 P. M.
Leave Morristown for Dover, and other
stations west, at S.55 and 11.5S A. NJ, and
1.2s. 4.57. 5.48, $50, and 9.53 P. NJ. The
11.5S goes no further than Dover, and the
5.47 no further than Hackettstown; the
others go to Easton. Passengers take the
l:2s train from Morristown, and change at
Washington for Binghampton.
The sos A. M. train leaves Madison at
s.1S. and Summit at s.eS and makes no
other stops before reaching Newark, and is
due at New York at 20.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18
Narrow Escape From Horrible
Death.

Mr.. Davis Kelley, the efficient Superin-
tendent of Port Dram furnaee,on Saturday
morning last. crawled into sort of tunnel
in the top of the furnace, to examine a
valve which was out Of order, ana while
thus engaged the blast was suddenly
turned on between him andhis way Of exit.
The burning gas rushed in upon him with
such force that it was with great difficulty
that he escaped, which he however sue
ceeded in doing, but not until he was Sc
verely burned. principally about the neck
and hands. Since the accident. Mr.. Kelley
has remained in the Office, and although a
great sufferer, he still issues his orders
from an easy chair. To his great presence
Of mind and quick action he undoubtedly
owes his life.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18
Morris Circuit Court.

Thomas Rhedican VS.. Margaret Rhedican.
In Case Attachment.
M Office is hereby given that a writ OF
attachment at the suit Of Thomas
Rhediean against the rights and credits,
moneys and effects. goods and chattels,
lands and tenements of Margaret Rhedican
q nonresident debtor, for the sum of Two
Thousand Dollars. issued out Of the Cir
cult Court OF the County of Morris. in the
State of New Jersey, on the twenty-sixth
day of April, A. D. 1880. ReturnabIe and
returned into Court duly executed by the
Sheriff Of the County of Morris, to the sew
entb day of May, A. D. 1880, and that John
B. Vreeland has been appointed auditor
therein.
MELVIN S. coNDIT, Clerk.
WILLARD w. CUTLER,
Atty of Plaintiff.
Dated the 9TH day of May, 1880.
29-9w prs is 81. 40
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18
Insolveni Notice.

NOTICE is hereby given that I, having
In presented petition to the Court Of
common Pleas of the County of Morris, for
the benefit of the Insolyent Laws Of this
Stal e, the said Court has appointed Mon
day, the twelfth day of July next, at the
hour of 81 o'clock, A. M. at the Court
House. Morristown, as the time and place
when and where it will attend to hear what
can be alleged for or against my liberation,
EDWARD LONERGAN,
Dated June 2, 1880. 32-6t
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18
HAVING PURCHASED THE
FAMOUS STALLION,
Pill OF CHIEF

/ propose to give Farmers and others
the benefit of breeding Good Stock at as
Low Figures as they can breed common
colt for.
PILOT CHIEF is mahogany bay,
l5~35 hands high, fine style and action,
s years old this Spring, and trotted half
mile. when three years old, in l:16l. He
is probably the best bred and best broken
Stallion that has ever stood in this vicin~
ity. Pilot Chief is half brother to
Kentucky FRINGE, which was sold by Mr..
A. B. Darling for $4,000, the greatest
price thrt any horse ever brought at
auction in this country. He was pur>
chased by. Mr.. Chas. Backman, of
Orange county. N. Y, and now stands
for 800 for his service Pilot Chiefs
colts are not inferior to his half brothers.
For further particulars inquire Of the
owner
WILLIAM R. MCKAY,
27-3m Market Street. Morristown, N. J:
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The Passaic township Board of School
Trustees seem to have no end of trouble
They are now seriously divided upon the
question of where to build the proposed
new school house.
Among other trifes, the Clerk refuses to
allow the Chairman to see the book con-
tanning the proceedings of the Board, and
the Chairman threatens a writ of man
ddn,us and other pleasant little modes of
moral suaslon.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18
The Old and New at Bernardsville

The new NJ. p. Church at Bernardsvillt
viii be dedicated on Sunday, the 9th inst
Bishop Foster will oficiate.
Farewell services win be held in the ole
church next Sunday, the Goth inst. Ser
vice in the morning By the paster. Rev. G
g. Winans, and experience meeting at
o'clock p. II,
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18
MISS 1oNawE1L,s SCHOOL

Commencement exercises We're held in
Lyeeum Hall on Wednesday evening. The
graduating class was composed of the
Misses II. Maud Ahern, Carrie M. Hazel
tine, Ida A. Post, May e. Stout, and Carrie
Studdiford, all of whom we learn, acquit-
ted themselves creditably.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The orations and declamations were de.
serving Of special mention, but we refrain
from particularizing for fear of not doing
justice in all cases.
Defamation Day" with s. " Gilbert
as schoolmaster, was a great success and
reflected much credit upon the little fell
lows who braved the foot-lights and thou
sand eyes. to show what there was in them
capable Of being developed by efficient tu-
forage.
The duet, by Masters Halsted and Gill
bert, was really excellent and ELECTED
hearty and prolonged applause. Master
Halsted, especially. evinces excellent train
ing and wonderful musical talent.
The closing address, by Prof. Frank lin
Carter, Of Yale College, was well written
dissertation upon the subject of teaching,
but on account of its length. became some
what tedious before it was concluded.
Taken as whole the entertainment was
a grand success for the Morris Academy,
and will be long remembered By all who
took part.
Appended is the
PROGRAMME:
Song" Shout High the Anthem. y
Oration-The Genus of Mozart.
0. Fl. Rabbit
-"The Battle of Ivry,n
w. w. White
Oration-He rmann, Irving Fighter
Declamation-sM Marion, "......S. L. White
Song-"Away Now joyful Riding
Defamation "rhe Earl o Quarterback
j. L. Hurd
Grafton Canals, .........C. R. Whitehead
EXCLAMATION DAY"
SoHooLMAsTER........." V Gilbert
The Observation-Disclosures. J Little
A Boys Remonstrance, A B Forsyth
The Potter's Wheel.....:.J w Marsh
The Three Bells. Nv H Sullivan
New England Weather. .....E N Ross
The Brook, (Duet)
CT Halsted, A E Gilbert
Birds of Passage. .....F J Mather, jr.
Selkirk's Hunters.......EJ Runyon
The Ivy Green. A Hurd
The Puritans .........R NJ Dalrymple
The Poets Song. &c F Uebelacker
Pain in a Pleasure Boat. &C C Gardner
Declamation-"Sir Galahad, ".....T Baker
Oration-Greek Games. :. Harry Hillard.
Song-"The Flag of the Free!n
Closing Address by Prot. Carter.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18
moral suaslor

A little girl named Mcconnell. attending
the Drakesville school, ON Monday last was
forcing giant powder cap on the end of
her slate pencil when it exploded, lacera-
ting her hand very badly. Mr.. Chas. Dick
erson, who was driving past at the time,
was hailed by the teacher and took the
child to physician, where the wounded
hand was dressed. She is now doing very
well, but don't banker after giant powder
caps as much as she did.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18
Maud Muller.
Maud Muller on a winters day,
WTr.r44 <,x@f a, x.fS., ~, r : =, / =. :. =

Maud Muller on winter day.
Went out upon the ice to play
Beneath her Derby cleaned her locks
Of red banged hair, and her crimson socks
She straddled about from ten to two
And then hole in the ice fell through.
On the bottom of the pond she sat,
AS wet and mad as half drowned rat.
A man with hickory pole went there,
And tished he out by her auburn hair.
And then her mother thumped her well,
Though just how hard Miss Maud won
And hung her oyer stovepipe to dry.
With thumb in her mouth, fist in hel
eye.
Alas. for the maiden! Alas. for the hole!
And 'rah for the man with the hickory
For the truest words of tongue or pen
Are "A skating girls like headless hen, y
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The fastest railroad time on record was
made on Monday last. by train on the
Pennsylvania Railroad, between Philadel-
phia and New York. The distance is nine
ty miles, and the run was made in SO min
utes. including four stops and slowing up
for two bridges, thus making~the average
running time, for the whole distance, less
than mile minute.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18
Newark's Suspended Bank

The suspension Of Abe First National
Bank of Newark, (Which we announced
last,weelS), proves to be serious matter
and involves a greater loss than at first
supposed.
One week ago to day a card was posted
on the closed doors simply announcing
'gThis Bank will not be open to-day"
The notice was signed by Jabez Cook,
President. Crowds gathered about the
corner and discussed the matter, and
much speculation was INDUCED in as to
the cause Of the suspension, with uupleas-
ant comments as to the management.
The bank was started during the war,
and did fine business, made money and
T paid handsome dividends to its stock
holders. For long time it occupied
humble quarters on the northeast corner
of Broad and Market streets, but the Dis
rectors concluded to build a finer edifce,
and when the institution had 100000
surplus, erected the present handsome
building at a cost of over $4,000. This
outlay crippled them, and after d few
years it was decided to reduce the oapis
tai from 100000 to 100000. OF the
reduction 100000 was returned to the
stockholders, and it was understood that
of the other 100000, the sum of $780,
600 was to be applied to the payment of
bad debts and the balance to reducing
the real estate account, which was based
upon the high valuations of the flush
times. This was not done, and suspicion
arose in the minds of some financial men
as to the management. A change had
been made in the Presidency by the re-
tirement of Mr., Dickerson, and several
Of the Directors had Withdrawn but as
the Board still included a number OF
leading capitalists the suspicion was
allayed.
s Cashier Hedden started for Europe two
weeks ago, and no one had been ap-
pointed in his place. Chief Clerk, w. A..
Thomas was, however, acting, but being
called upon for an explanation, would
give none.
From all accounts it appears the insti>
tuition has been gradually drifting from
its former financial moorings to its iney,
table wreck: For some time past it has
been "short," and haa obtained money
from the other institutions to meet its
New York claims. A check would be
drawn on sister bank, the funds OBJ
tanned in bills and sent to New York,
and then when the check became due it
would be met by similar loan or the
deposits. Everything available was used
up, and it is understood that CITY de-
post of $4,000 went the same way.
ever open again for business, but will be
at once closed by the Receiver and the
Government.
The directors seem to have been to,
tally unfamiliar with the rotton condition
of the concern, and left everything to
the management Of the Cashier, who
made out and swore to false statements,
thus deluding theGovernment Examiner
as well as the Board This seems to
have been kept up for two or three years
past. Rumors are rife concerning CASKS
| Ter Hedden's style of living, and the
opinion seems to prevail that he has
filched the bank out of considerable
money in order to keep up his expens
sive establishments.
LATER.
It is unofficially stated that the deficit
will amount to $4,000 the original cap.
| ital.
Garrett A. Hobart. of Passaic county.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

Most people suppose the lead is melted
and poured into the hole in the pencil
wood.-Nei0 York Times.
1t has been our impression that the lead
was first prepared and the wood built ur
around it.-ElniYa Press.
Both mistaken. The pencil grows like
elder-wood, and the lead is merely the
plth, so that all parts grow simultaneously
Jersey City Journal.
All wrong; Don Cameron said "be led, E
and IL was lead.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The State Board of Education will meet
at Trenton on Thursday next, when Super
intendcnts will be appointed for Atlantic,
Morris and Union Counties,
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

Brother Hammel of the Dover Inder, has
Fbeen sliding down the Switch-Back and
otherwise ruralizing in and about his ma
tive town of Mauch Chunk, Pa.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

An interesting game of lawn tennis will
be played by the Staten Island Ladies
Club for Outdoor Sports and the Morris
town Club. on the grounds of the latter,
on "Wednesday afternoon next, at o'clock.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

Mr.. H. G. Emmell revels in the enjoy
ment of new potatoes, beets and string
beans, all from his own garden and persua-
ded by his own little hoe.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

Pasasols and sun umbrellas, with and
without carved handles.in seasonable tints
at vi. s. Rabbits.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

1t is estimated that the census now be-
ing taken viii show the total population Of
this state to be about !, 125, 900, an increase
of 200 900, dufing the last ten years.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

Due notice will be given of the filing Of
the entries for the proposed tub race at
Whippany
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The Congregational Church held fair
and festival in Market street hall on We'd
nesday evening last. which was well pat
ronized and netted about sixty dollars.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

Rev. ]. o. Wilson, of Philadelphia, for
merly Professor of Elocution at Drew Sem.
mary, will preach in the NJ. E. Church on
Sunday next.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The controversy between Essex and
Union counties, concerning the boundary
line, has been settled in favor of Essex
county.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The Dover Post Office has been designa-
Jed by the Post Master General as a Cana
dian International Money Order Office, to
commence business on July 1st.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

A jolly party of fishers started for Split
rock pond, on Tuesday morning last They
returned the same evening with the usual
story Of having given away all their fish
before arriving home.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The commencement exercises of the
Madison Classical Institute took place last
evening, in the Presbyterian Church, Mad
feau
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

A Grand Ball at the hotel, and a picnic
and festival on the Witch grounds, will ELI
gross the attention of Bloomingdalites on
the Fourth.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

We call especial attention to the adver-
tisement. on another page. Of Mr.. Kennel
". who offers for sale Alderney cows, cream
and milk.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

A little son of Frank Cox, of Dover. fell
from second story window on Tuesday
last, breaking both OF his legs. He is now
doing as well as could be expected.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The Dover Steamer Company held a pic
mic in McFarlan's Grove yesterday after
noon. The boys had a grand good time,
and everything passed off pleasantly.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

A class from the School of Mines of Col
-umbia College, New York. are visiting the
iron ore mines throughout this county.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The Spring street Public school exhibit
fiion in Washington Hall. on Thursdsy
evening. was not so well patronized as it
should have been. The address by the
teacher was an excellent production and
merrited larger audience.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

Mrs. Silas Strowbridge fell on the curb
ing Of Washington street, on Saturday last,
receiving injuries from which she died on
Sunday. Funeral services were held in
The First Presby terian Church. on Wednes-
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

An old cannon-ball, supposed to be OF
Revolutionary origin, has been picked up
at old Boonton. by workman engaged on
the new paper mill be- g erected there.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

Lace buntings and lattice, lawns and
other dress fabrics Of seasonable patterns
in variety at W, S.Babbitt's,
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

DR.. Crooks, of New York. has been cleo
ted to the chair of Church History, made
vacant by the promotion Of Dr.. Hurst to
the Bishopry.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The closing exercises of the kindergarten
school. will be held on Tuesday morning
next, in the First Church chapel.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The Centennial Anniversary of the Bat
tie of Springfield will be duly celebrated
on Wednesday next, June Esd.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

United States District Attorney A. @
Keasby, is making thorough search of the
title to the extensive tract of land fol-
which the Government is negotiating with
view of constructing large powder mag
azines.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The SD Anniversary of the Reformed
Church Sunday School. at Pompton Plains,
was held on Sunday last.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The closing exercises of Boonton Public
school. viii take place on Thursday eve
ming next.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The first anniversary of the Mt. Freedom
Female Missionary Society will be held
next Sunday evening.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The walking match in MiIler's Hail, come
to an end about 8 o'clock last Saturday
evening, with the following score; " Nell
1ss Collins l7s, Kelley 1859. Collins sub
sennentIy running q mile in 7:45.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

New and elegant designs in visiting cards
at the CHRONICLE Office.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The welcome rains during the week
have doue much good throughout this sec
zion
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The ladies of the second NJ. E. Church
Dover, will celebrate the Fourth in MeFar.
lan's Grove.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The Chatham chit-chat club held its
fourth meeting at the residence of Mr..
Fred. Il. Lum. on Wednesday evening.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

Jared Coe, carpenter, and Peter Combs,
mason, have the contract for building Mr..
James r. Voorhees, new house.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

Forge pond and the Troy meadows brook
are being cleaned out by a gang of eighteen
men from Castle Garden.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

1t takes live man to pull up stream
A dead one can drift down.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

Our public school system, as exemplifed
In MorristoWn, Is grand success,
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The latest novelty in the vicinity Of
Speedwell avenue Is a young Fox.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The dreaded army worm is already re-
ported at Denville and New Providence, in
this county.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

No, son, no /; you needn't be afraid Of it..
Just drink tub full of it if you wish. No
man ever got drunk, or learned to be a
drunkard, drinking Sunday School picnic
lemonade. You might get the dropsy, or
you might drown yourself with it, but it
will never make you drunk.-Haavk-I.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The Rockaway FORCES have suspended
work for the present.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

JamesCavanaugh. livery man Of Madison.
lost a horse while driving to Morristownl
ON Wednesday last. The horse was attacked
w;.sb severe sickness. and died in few
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

An important change has been made in
the timetable of the P. & D. Railroad,
which terminates at Bernardsville. The
train now completes the round trip on the
same day.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

F. G. Burnham. Esq. is summe1ing a
Monmouth Beach.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

The Short Hills Athletic Club games
take place tomorrow.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

New additions have recently been made
to the button factory at Sterling. 500
hands are employed in the factory, the
goods being shipped mostly to England and
France.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

Jacob Re- u1ne. of Fox Hill. suffered ar
,ast and fine lust because he struck his
brother,s servant ,s,irl and knocked one of
her teeth out.
The Morris County chronicle. [volume] (Morristown, N.J.) 1877-1915, 1880-06-18

A picnic and evening festival will con-
stitute Pine Brooks celebration Of the
Fourth.
VIII Morristown do even as much ?