Vermont watchman and State journal. [volume] (Montpelier, Vt.) 1836-1883, 1880-12-22


third section az follows; "Said inventory shall |
be regarded as confidential and lister shall
disclose the names OF persons to whom said debts
are due, nor the amount said persons owe as OBJ
tained from said inventory"
Mr.. PAGE Of Rutland would be glad as far as
he WAS concerned, TO adopt the amendment OF
Mr.. Thompson II the people desired 1t. He then
spoke in favor Of the amendment proposed by
himself, and explained from the decisions OF the
United States supreme court what was meant by
"moneyed capital and the effect OF this bill as
applied to national banks.
Mr.. BUTrERFIELD OF Whitingham thought
the people OF Vermont demanded a different sys-
TEN of offsets from what now prevailed.
Mr.. CHAPLIN OF Mddlesex moved to amend
sec. OF II. 444, 30 that 1t shall read mo deduc-
tion shall be made in the list Of any person by
reason OF any debts owing by him"
Mr.. MARTIN Of Londonderry said he spoke be
cause he had been requested by his constituents
to oppose exemptions from list OF personal prop
erty on account Of debts owing. lie made an eo-
quent and effective speech, arguing that the ex-
empton from taxation account Of debts ow-
ing worked in favor OF the rich man and against
the poor lie was in favor Of Mr.. Thompson's
amendment, II we pass Colonel Hookers BILL
which exempts from the list Of real estate to an
amount not more than $500 on account OF mort
cages.
Mr.. HOWE Of Ludlow thought this bill III.
44i) WAS not what we wanted, but we ought to
take this II we can't get anything better; he IA
vored the amendments doing away with offsets.
Mr.. HAPGOOD Of Peru said he should vote for
tne Dill because OF sec tnree.
Mr.. NICHOLS Of Essex thought the farmers
would he satisfied with II. 444; he hoped the bill
would pass without amendment and he thought
section three the best feature Of the bill.
Mr.. MARTIN OF Londonderry offered resolu-
ton M follows; "Resolved that 1t il the sense Of
| this committee that no personal property should
be exempt from taxation by reason OF debts ow-
ing" -
great many ilowery speeches that were not log
ical he favored exemption on account OF debts
| owing.
Mr. BUTTERFIELD proposed to amend the reso-
| luton by fixing the Limitation at $1,000
| Mr. HOWE Of Ludlow favored the resolution
Mr.. HUBBARD again spoke in favor of proper
offsets.
Mr. JAMES of weybridge favored II. i44, ex-
cept the provision which requires man to " pub
| lish n statement OF debts owing etc.
Mr.. HOOKER then said that II we wanted to
pass H. 444 rs 1t Is, we ought to keep II light in
mind, and not be led off by considering other
bills, resolutions, etc
Mr. MARTIN said that he thought this COM
mittee was to consider all bills and not one bill
alone.
Mr. JONES OF waitsfield explained the reasons
and attitude Of the grand list committee.
Mr. FIFlELD Of Montpelier nterrogated Mr..
Martin as to his views in regard to the various
bills. Mr.. Fifeld said that the law now is that
property shall be set in the grand list at its true
value, but the fact Is notorious that this IL not
done. The design is to have property justly
taxed What shall be the remedy? Two are
proposed-one by the gentleman from lrasburgf
(H. 345), which compels the listers to do theii
duty, and his amendment, which does away with
offsets the other by compelling individuals tC
undergo practical inquisition and cause them tc
swear to q minute statement OF their affairs
There are So 600 900 of taxable bank stock in the
state, and only Sl50,000 of personal property IL
the list. Here IL the great evil to be corrected
and the passage Of either of these bills will do it
though that proposed by Mr.. Thompson is thu
, ! better.
Mr.. BATTELL of Middlebury did not carr
much which plan was adopted. He thought
however, II there were no deductions, the ncreas
in the list would reduce the tax so that the poo
man would pay no more tax than now.
Mr.. SIMPSON of Craftsbury thought il ex
emptioDs done away with the lumber bust
, ness would be ruined.
Mr.. PALMER of Waterbury thought the argu
ment of exemption was, 4" Let us take quart o
q blood from the poor man 80 that we can take
quart from the rich man Also
Mr. CIRCUIT OF Newport thought 1t would re
suit in taking ten quarts from the poor man +
4 one from the rich man.
Mr. BUTTERFIELD did not think the presen
system Of exemptions was as good as 1t ought t
be, but we ought to give the poor young man
q chance.
! Mr. PAGE moved that the committee now rise
| report in favor OF ii. 3i5, and ask leave to q
again
Mr. HOWE hoped we should settle things nov
Mr.. BUTTERFIELD moved to amend Mr. Page
motion so that the committee report that L
| itng exemptions 10 81 600.
Mr.. ABELL OF West Haven moved that I'll
L committee rise and ask to be relieved from furtht
s consideration 1t was impossible to make muc
| progress now The discussion ought to amour
to something.
+ general discussion as to what should be r
y ported, etc, followed.
+ The CHAIR then put a motion that the con
n mittee now rise and report progress, which W,
Q agreed to, and the committee then arose.
IN THE uouar
g The SPEAKER assumed the chair, and, on m
e tion OF Mr.. Brainerd, the house adjourned.
senate-Afternoon.
Reports com on judiciary, by bill,
/. act in amendment of sec l, chap. 4s, of g. s.;
i, lie, under the rule.
=, - From the table--H. 81, an act to amend Il
= laws Of 1878 relating to the compensation of tow
q superintendents Of schools; passed,
n Reports-From com. on grand list lin favor
q H. 276 an act to legaize the grand list OF Castl
.r ton for certain years; passed.
From select com. in favor OF III. 253 an act la
D ing a tax on the county of Franklin; passed.
n n From com on highways in favor Of II 422
n act relating to toll bridges Senator Bridgm'
- said he could see no need OF passing the bi
:. After some discussion, bill recommtted
10 From com. on railroads against s. 125, an a
a a to amend sec 80, chap. 2S OF g, e.; indefinite
postponed
- From com on banks against II. 25s, an act pr
!, viding for commissioners of trust, etc; thi
"a reading refused
~ From com. on agriculture in favor Of II. 23S,
i. act to amend sec. 80 chap. 1l3, &. s. third .rea
IL ing ordered tomorrow morning.
n From com. on judiciary against S. 1i0, an a
II to amend sec |, chap. "a of g. s.; third readil
refused
!. Third reading H 356, an act to amend Sc
10 81 chap. AZ, Z. g.. passed.
10 House bM referred-H 80, an act relating
a. the election OF trustees in the Winooski grad
m school district; to com. on Judiciary
RepoH-from com. on finance In favor OF
,t $780, an act to stop interest ON overdue town al
h. school district orders; third reading ordered t
NJ morrow morning.
a "a From com. on judiciary, in favor of S. 1863,
act to amend sec. 49, chap. So, &. 81 third rea
In ing ordered tomorrow morning
M From Judiciary com. in favor OF H. 325, an a
m 10 incorporate the Canaan acqueduct compan
n third reading ordered tomorrow morning.
"a Unfinished businesses 1871 an act relating
IN | the reform school, etc. The question arose up
NJ NJ the amendment OF Senator Paul. discussed Il
n morning
pe Senator START proposed substitute amen
ment authorizing the trustees 10 employ t
IA larger boys In the school to labor at cabinet ma
as ing and leaving the appropriation named in
10 bill to the discretion OF the trustees. A discI
he sion followed in which Senators Dana, Dunto
Cook, Paul Dillingham; and Fuller took part.
he The yeas and nays were taken upon I
~ amendment to the amendment as follows: Ye
at u, nays 5-and the bill WAS amended AS pl
NV posed by Senator Start.
wv wv Senator GLEED proposed further to amend
Ir legislature, and spoke in favor of this amen
ne ment.
of n Senator DILLINGHAM; and Blodgett said IL
nv the friends OF the school would favor this amer
Oh ment.
be Senator DUNTON moved a recommtment; II
ton lost
rst Amendment agreed to, and third reading
"a dered tomorrow morning
,re .Specidk0rder.-S l9i, an act TO equalize Ia,
ia ton. The question was upon an amendmt
an proposed by Senator Field prohibiting offse
10. Senator Henry moved that the bill lie and
ID made the special order for tomorrow morning
hali-past ten o clock; so ordered
no Senator BROWN called up S. 22, an act to alb
Id ish the office of railroad commissioner. I
oh question upon motion TO reconsider
nd vote committing the bill to the com on judicial
ha | The vote was reconsidered Senator Woodhol
M. moved that the bill be indefinitely postpon,
e. Senator Bridgman opposed the motion and argu
ms at length the useessness OF the office OF railro
ar commissioner Senators Henry Gleed Saffo
of Bridgman, Fuller and Dunton continued the
,se cnssion. The yeas and nays were taken as
an. lows: Yeas-Senators Bodgett, Bridgman, brow
H. Dana Darling Dillingham;, Dwinel Fuller, Gil
IL son, Goodsell, Henry, North Paul, Reed, Rob
fr worth-20. Nays-Senators Cook, Dunton, Gle
No. King, Lane, Pember, Safford--7 So the mot
mo to indefinitely postpone prevailed
his Third redding-H. 307, an act to restrain fow
=" passed with proposals OF amendment
icb RepOrt.-From com. on education, in favor
H. 81, an act In relation to the duties OF dist
,ra clerks, teachers and town superntendents, W
in proposals of amendment which were agreed
ha Senator Stafford moved an amendment which v
ich agreed to, and the bill passed. Adjourned.
DID, House-Afternoon.