, 1880-09-19
A.-Free Talk with: Very Free
Thinker.
John swinton's Observations and
Ideas on the French Com
mpue. ~ .
The Workingmen Of Parls-Thetr Ma;
IS terial Condition, and What ~
They Demand.
Radical Leaders and Newspapers-Roohe-
fort, Blanqui, and Victor ?,
Hugo. 49,.
: speeta. Dt,nateh to The Chicago 1rIbnns.

Special Dtspateh to The Chicago 1stoans.
NEW IonK, Sept 16.-John >Swinton, who IS
widely known as. IN advanced thinker in this
country, and who Is favorably known rs a Ne"
York journalist, has recently returned from
trip to Europe, In the course OF which ne paio
some attention to the 6ocialistIc movement IN
France and England. I called .on him, and
found him In mood for conversat1 t1on, this
morning, and give you some Of bis expressed
views Mr. 6winton was seated IN an easy chair,
looking out on a rear garden surrounded by
yine-cIad walls; and it was easy to SEQ that the
green leaves and grasses were welcome rest~
ing piace for his eyes, whe his mind worked in
cluc,datIng his ideus into language. opened
the interview by asking him what he saw that
was OF interest to him II Paris.
'9I guess" said he, slowly aud with quiet en-
phasis, 9. I saw about everything that there was
to be seen within the walls The thing. how
ever, that interested me more than all the works
OF artand genius WIS =
-, THE FRENCH PEoPLE,- g.
that most varied and wonderful manifest alton
OF humanity, Paris. As to the people-well,
what would say to you at this moment Ia. TINT
there found the public welfare and well being
fur beyond anything had ever known n tbs
were endless. a population TWICE n. grear us
that Of New York, living under conditions Ct
good SO remarkable, formed study which II wtll It
causes OF this; the hIstorical antecedents OF this;
its relations TO politics, topublic administration.
to national type, TO organic ideas:-these' OF
course. were the attractive Inquiries.
YES" Ikatd, :" but want to ask you what
are the fnc,sof to-day about the men Of the
a0f 6ourse ta9s resuned Mr.. swinton, a vast
proportion Of the population of Paris Of to-day
is what we. would call Communist For you
must know TINT, notwithsta tanding the immense
butcheries of II. Theirs after the fall Of the
Commune.-notwithsrand the slaughter OF
methers and children, The banishments, the
military executions, the mprdsonmsnts,-not-
withstaQdug these things, ~ =:
MORE THAN 100000 PAR1sIAzs
who took part in the Commune we're still living
there after its suppression. The army Of the
, claimed that more than one: e:third Of that mum
week. This fgfce n!dne permeates to q very;
judgment: @ Oh the @ questions that we're then at
issue, and determining to large extent present
policy and action as Il naturally would 3D. But 1f p;
the movement OF 1871, there was an immense
body Of sympathizers with the Commune.-a
5ea hs n fact snf9dsd n9dtea the wbos bopa Of
ton @ Of f'Pu Puris,-or, 1 as Brilliant Amer Amer
tcan lean Journalist there said to ne,
mosP and every Of the same kidd
.tConsequently, the impulse that created the
movement in 167l Is at this time * =. =. -
:, EXTREMELY POWERFUL IN PARIS,
ab od s y %d b9s aas 5sd t e e
Of the Commune In 1871, and of the people who
took part in it, entertained BY ignorant and
crazy editors IN New York: and o. The pundss @ DER
Is entertained by no human being In Paris,
where the thing is understood The most rad
Enowledee; any such charges as are banded
about here by men whose own Disgrace Is In the
language they apply to it." /.
Commune undergone In the last ten years:' in
I Should sar, no serious change of any: kind"
eePsd epIes 1 asShhsqn icy
were announced nine years: ago, were
permanent IN themselves based ,f On ma natural
include in them all the hopes Of the human
race. have heard, and. in fact, can conceive
of no change OF opinion On those fundamental
principles in the men who then offered their
lives for them. The principles Of ISL
ARE AS STRONG TO-DAY
with the men Of 1st1 as they were when they de-
fed all the forces 10 the %o.ld n theE nd e.
notifications in mems views Of the temporal
have undergone such modtfica lions in one way
or another. But be assured that the dominant
RFnees T the aud Gf the
hatred Of al! coed men, remain to-day and Will
Swsn: what action, do they propose here
II should say, continuance Of the action Of
"Do you mean by that renewed resorts to
!" Why, man, not atl'' all was Mr.. swinton's
quick rejoinder. These people
). NEVER REsoR1ED 70 FORCE: -
never advocated force; never desired force;
Pies, put force out of the question. They pro,
11~{v 1Hnf 1af3fn +{F7Rif
rights: desired their peaceable execution; saw
no reason why they should be interfered with;
and it was on wnsp against ,hs
WAS known before in human history. that they
stood up, uuwiliingty, to defend themselves and
dominating demand OF the men Of 1871 was for
the abolition of force rs method OF public
action. and the substitution Of reason aud equi-
they will continue the work as they begun it:
they will propagate their principles: they will
demand the realization Of those principles; they
principles Doubt not that"
ill i9T the idea az Of he s"s men of the Commune
Republic bic II IN Il SO So fur as It IS mons1ea Or
Of despotisn and N deviltry: in 50 tar as it fails
to do the work Of d RepnbLlc,-why, you doubt
less suppose that
THEY DESIRE CHANGES IN IT,
KNOW LlAL fEF} Uhu4 VI Liz AEAAHA4A2 Va
the men Of 1871 have now. actually been won by
France. You will be astonished IL you look at
this paper, here in my hand,- last proclama-
ton Of principles BY the Commune OF Paris OF
the 18th of March, say you will be surprised
when you look at it and learn what the demands
were. You will be astonished to see how many
Of those demands are this day in possession OF
the French people. The frst.the primary. the es-
sential demand of tho Commune was for the Re
p,1bfic,-for the Republic, aQ1linst the monarch
ia1 Vaccinations Of the Internal little assassin.
Mons. Theirs. That, at all events, they have got
In some shape. Look down this list OF demands
here, and from the first to the last you will see
not only how temperate they were, but how
acceptable they must have been to the French
people, in the fact that they have now attained
them. Yet, for all that, all the advantage OF
the present Republican system.! with all sthe
hopes. that are ,wrnpped up In 1t. with all the
most excellent work that has been brought
about By 1t, is so far,
so FAR BELOW
the demand of truth and the needs OF human
nature and the conditions Of public weifare--tt
is so far below these that the imperative pecesst-
tt Of struggle for its change. for its elevation;
for its advance is Jet being, and to be. carried
on BY these men," ..
Are there now active demands by the people
for further governmental chanQcs:"
"Yes,-very active and very determined.
These demands arc spreading, both as regards
surface aud intensity"
'But ia what direction2"
IN Ill directions, towards the removal
r. 1rA tE1A nd :