The Indiana State sentinel. [volume] (Indianapolis) 1868-1895, 1880-06-16
solemn statement ought 70 be accepted. Let

there was sudden and earnest demand for
q more searching scrutiny than the Commit
tee had shown a desire to make. On the 23d
Of January, Mr.. An1es was recalled, and then
he brought with him memoranda culled
from his diaries and collated from the
accounts of each member. (See pages 295 and
296 of the report) e-s.a. IN
AMEs' RECORD EVIDENCE
By the Chairman-Q.-In regard TO Mr.. Gar
field, state to the Committee the details of the
ence TO Credit Mobilier stock. Al got Mr..
Garfield ten shares of the Credit Mobilier
stock, for which he paid par and interest.
Q--When did you agree with him for that?
A--That agreement was in December. 1861, or
January, 1865; about that time: about the time
1 had these conversations with all of them. 1t
was all about the same time.
estate what gre out of it. AIR. Gar
bonds belonging TO his $1,000 or stock 80 per
cent. dividend) at 81. making SIG In June /
received dividend in cash on his stock of $780,
which left balance due TO him OF 1929, which
/ paid him.
By Mr.. Merrick-Q.--The 1929 which you
paid him was the surplus OF earnings on the
stock above the amount 10 be paid for 1t. par
value? Ayes, sir.
81 see In this statement OF the accounl
that is interest from the July previous, Is 1t?
o.-And the s776 on the credit side of the
account is the 81 per cent. bond dividend sold
at 81? Ayes, sir.
Q.-And the s6 on the credit side is the
Q.-And after you had received these two
sums, they in the aggregate overpaid the price
OF stock and Interest $3.50, which you paid him.
Ayes, sir.
o. How was that paid? A.-Paid in money
o.-Dfd YOU make statement of this TO Nj.
Garfield? Al presume so. think l did
with all Of them; that Is my impression.
Q.-Has that $50 ever been paid TO you? A.
L have no recollection of 1t.
Q Have you any belief that it ever has?
A.-Not to my knowledge. except that he calls
Q-You do not call it loan? Al did not
at that time. am willing 1t should go to suit
Q.-what we want to get at is the exact
truth. Al have told the truth In my state
Q.-when you paid him $685. did he under.
stand that he borrowed that money from you?
Q-Have you any belief now that he sup
posed 50? A.-No; only from what he said
the other day. 1 do not dispute ybOdy.
Owe want your judgment of the transac-
ton. Any Judgment of the transaction is
| just as told you. There was but one thing
Q.-Has there ever been anything said be-
/ tween you and him about resembling the pur-
chase OF The ten shares OF Credit ,a M 10
of its being thrown up, or abandoned, or sur
rendered? A.-No, sir; not until recently.
Q.-How recently? A-Since TINS matter
) Q.-Since this investigation commenced?
Ayes, sir.
FROM AMEs' DIARY.
When this examination closed, Mr.. Ames
presented the following memorandum Of
his account with Mr.. Garfield:
j. a. q.
1885, To ten shares stock Credit
Mobiller of A...........-.......-..slOO0 90
- Interest. ......-...--,-----.----.- u ~
June l9.-ro S29 w
1876 90
- BY dividend bonds, Union
Pacific Railroad $1,000 stSj
per cent, less per cent S776 90
June l7-By dividend collected for
your account .----..--.-..----.-...-. 600 90
sl,S76 10
/ Here was a fiat, minute and decided con-
I tradicton of Garfield by Ames. One or
other must be periured From that dllem>
ma escape was impossible. The Chairman
u of the appropriations gave out through the
/ press that ne would 20 at once again before
the Committee, and convict his accuser OF
/ fslsehood. He did. not go, however, for
sufficient reasons. Rumors got abroad
t. that Ames had more ammunition in
reserve. ready to be exploded as soon as
! he had drawn the fire of the corrupt crowd
who were conspiring to swear him down.
1t came TO the knowledge of the Committee
that Garfield had again visited Ames, and
sought to induce him 10 modify his charges.
/ So they re-examined him on the 18th OF
/ January.
GARFIELD SUBoRNIHG PERJURY.
By the Chairman-Q.-Whatth the Committee
] with any of these gentlemen, they have stated
! or admitted the matter 10 be different from
+ what they have testified to before the Com
mittee. Al hardly know how to answer
Q.ETake any one that occurs to you; Mr..
D A ~ ~
/ field has been to see me about the matIer and
/ we talked 1t over. A part OF the time ne
thinks it was loan; sometimes he thinks he
/ has repaid me, and then again he is In doubt
Q.NYou may state whether in conversation
win you, Mr. Garfield claims, as ne claimed
before us, that the only transaction between
! you was borrowing 500. A.-No, sir; he did
I not claim that with me.
% state how he does claim 1t with you;
what was said? State all that occurred in con-
versation between you Al can not re-
member half of 1t. Ihave had two or three
interviews with Mr.. Garfield. He wants TO
L put ii on the basis of a loan.
Q.-What did you say to him in reference to
4 tina state of the case AL stated to him
4 that he never asked me to lend him any
\ money; that never knew he wanted 10 bor-
row any. 1 did not know me was short.
made a statement 10 him showing the trans.
I action and what there was due on it; that, de-
Quoting the bond dividend and the cash divi-
dend, there was $3.50 due him. tor which mad
given him a cheek; that he had ne yer asked
me 10 loen him any money, and never loaned
I him any. ..-.-.-.-a- .
| O,-AIter YOU made that statement what did
he state in reply: Ale wanted TO have it
go loan. Hft
ODD he claim that 1t was in fact a lean !?
A.-No, sir; do not think he did. No, he did
not.
/ State all you know in reference to 1t.
| Al told him he knew very well that that
/ was dividend. 1 made out a statement and
/ showed il TO him at the time. In one CONVEX
sation he admitted il, and said, as near as
can remember, there was 81. 4U0 due in stock
and bonds. He made a little memorandum OF
| 81 900 and 81 400, and as recollect, said there
81, 90 OF Credit Mobilier stock, aud Si00 Of
stock or bonds, do not recoliect what.
Q-When was that memorandum made?
I Att was made In my room. can not re-
! member the date. 1t was since this investlga-
ton commenced.
Q-Have you the memorandum that Mr..
Garfield made. Al have the figures that he
| made.
GARFIELD's HANDWRITING.
| Paner shown To the Com mitfea CON aiming