New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1880-06-19

widely felt among the voters if Mr. 1lldcD shouu
be beaten outright, or cOunteract the demoraIz"p
effect of such an abandonment OF the fraud ISSUE
no y fat refusal TO nominate Mr.. Tilden would IN
volve.
Therefore If Mr. Tilden goes into the convention
his friends expect that the considerations Ht''
toned above will induce many delegates to V"te Ioi
him. who if they conld control the affairs OF the
partv would not allow his name to be presented 1T
an OF the two, they think that the Tlsk oil d'lea'
involved in his nomination could not he as erei. ''S
that consequent upon the unjust treatment VI vi
Tilden by the Convention. III Mr.. Illdeh dotS lI"'
want the votes that arc pledged to him 10 DE cast loi
himself his will still be n ruling spirit in the Con-
vcntion As n candidate he will not fadc away INV
the mist of the morning leaving no trace behind
His very act of withdrawal will be 80 nanaRcu aS
to give himself and his friends most commanding
influence over the delegates, and to insure II posi-
blc tho nomination of n man OF his choice. Ii
Mr.. Tildcn had announced in advance that Tor any
reason on account of ill-heath, desire 10 Will
draw from active political life, or to DrlnV llar-
mony into the party, he wOuld not be 4 candlualc'
his supportcrs would have broken M and Dcch MS
tributed among other candidates, ana MI lluc'i
and his friends would have ceased to be impoIt'"O
factors in the contest. Those. therefore, who eX-
pected that Mr.. Tilden would havo formally WITH
drawn weeks and even months ago unless he III
tended to run the race though supposed tnal lnr
statesman Of Gramprcy Park would ncrdi'SSiN
throW away his influence in the Democratic ,P".,A
at the Same time that he determined NOT 10 Dc !, ;
canddatc-the last thing IN the wOrld tha' -hl A'i
den would do.
PAYNE LOOMING Ur.
If Mr.. Tlden ls not candidate. Mr.. Henry d.
PAYNE is almost unanimously spoken OF by the ~
den men rs tho man whose nomination he VIII
favor Mr. Payne would In many reSpcctS DC IL
very strong candidate. lie has u "barrcl,' which
secms TO be nm almost essential possession ior
Democratic Presidential candidate nownhaNs'
There is less of sentiment and conscience ana NOR"
looking ont for the main chnncc among )rm"crl'lc
than among Republican politicians ana II l"l""7
that the legitimate expenses OF n cahpaish "'c
creator for the Democracy than TOR the RcpubicanH
The latter will work for the good of the cause nhu 10
aid in insnring the triumph Of principles which thry
believe in when the former must often he paiu III
cash for every days service Mr. Pnynr's rcput"d
wealth. md the belief that he will cOnrihut" nhrr-
ally to nay the expenses Of the cAmpagn,"ll there
fore commend him tu the Convention. Mr. lay ne
has ON the " hole n consistent hard-mohcy Trc"Iu'
This would naturally be an objection WIN li'J't-
itv of the Democratic party. tor, A. PLAIN spoken
Democrat from the Empire State remarked thlS
ofterno0n. The Democracy has duitcd far away
from its ancient landmarks Oh tlis subject and. he
added "thpre are more sound Democrats among
the RembcanS to-day than there are tn hc i"nhl
I'm the Democratic ranks But consistency ~ by II"
means ~ essential in the Inter as the former
party Principles count for nothing II they stand n
the way of success, and II the Convention which
meets next week IS convinced that pro-
nounced hard-moncy man on non-committaI
nlotform il moro likely to bc elected than any
other they will nominate him. Ncw-lork IS to b"
,l,., Lat tI. Il Inf cOilll
not probably he carried by any candidate who has
within the last ten years been Idcutiicd with tho
imitation movement, or who has looked with favor
upon the wild schemes of the Grc"uhach'rs; and
this single circumstance will be sufficient 10 riahc
the National Democratic party forget its record OF
the past five years and support hard money man
who Is otherwise available.
Mr. PAYNE IS also q man of high personal char
ncter and could be heartily supported by the more
intelligent members of the Democratic party, VINO
demand that their candidate Shall ho honest ana u
man of marked ability lho principal objections
TO Mr. PaYnc's nomination were cnumcfaicd III
letter from Washington written two or
three days ago. The nominee OF III" parry
ought TO have reasonable chance Ol
carving his own State, ana that no ONO
Dr,nocrat has since General tiirclIs norniua-
ton II might not hc fatal 10 the Democratic cause
but il would be very dscouragng tu have ONO give
TO the Republican ticket IN the Stat" election IN
Octnlpr larger malOuty than for many years 1t the
Democratic candidate fOr the Prrsidency was r"HI-
dent OF that stale DNt III Slllte Ol lNAl plt'illu
Nr Payne will become by fnr the strongest candl-
q Ite II Mr. Tildcn withdiaws la his favor.
OTHER AsPiEANIs.
Genorals w. B. Frnnkln and " Badly" Smith arc
here striving 10 start a Hancock boom. They have
boon very active all day, and In company with Dun
can g. Walker have met many of the delegates
who have already arrived. There are as yet no
sign Of an enthusiastic demand for General Han
cocks nomination.
Senator Bayard will have scores Of delegates from
the south wh0 will stand ready to vote for him if
the Democratic leaders Of the North think his
nomination would be judIcious one. Southern
Democrats say that his record Is woIsr thnn
that OF 1idcn or Seymour, and that the old see
tional questions can be- llank,d by the Democratic
party thIs year, as they were nankrd III lH7G. Be
sides all this, they say, Mr. Bayard's record the
finances Is such as 10 commend him TO tine support
of the people of Ncw-York. Mr.. Bayard's support
els hnye secured for headquarters tho house whch
the Jaycs men occupied III 1876. Some Of Judge
Fields active supporters are among the first 10 be-
upon the ground but have not yet made any demon
stration.
Among tho surprises Of q Democratic National
Convention il the apiwaiauco Of scores of veterans
who were once great and influential men III the
party, but who long ng" disappeared from public
view and have been forgotten. Many Of these old
" musshaclts " past the primo of lie when
they helped TO nominate James buchanan III ISjG,
and they now rcapprar like Rip Van Wrinkles.
The railroads have brought to Cincinnati to-day
qood many Of tho advance guard Of the Convon-
tIom. About sixteen members OF tho Natinnal Conn
mitrc nrc already here and perhaps forty or fifty
Delegates from distant States. By Tomorrow noon
the city VIII huYO put on Convention look.
A TROUBLESOME RECORD.
DEMOCRATS UNHAPPY OVER TIiDLNs STRENGTH
AND sKYMOUPs VACHJATION.
BY TLIEGRAPH TO TIE TRBUNEl
WAsHINGrON, juno 16.-Iho few Democratic
Senators and Representatives. who remained in
Washington until to-day are greatly dlsqulctcd by
the contradictory reports regarding Governor Scy-
mour. Most of them settled down yesterday in tho