The Salt Lake herald. [volume] (Salt Lake City [Utah]) 1870-1909, 1880-02-04

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desire any protracted discussion, al
did not care how SOON action VI
taken on it.
1t Mr.. Fsrr did not Ike the measur
N and was rather in favor of supportir
the motion to strike out. The pet
ton of the ladies was for a compleI
70 removal OF disabilities, and VI
ie less they could get all,
y thought 1t was an insnl. to tn
II petitioners to give them half. The
J, wanted it all or none. As far sc b
It had spoken to ladies, and be ha
t spoken to great many. they bad 3
g told him that they did not want any
}, thing of the kind, and that they no
!. he'd all the cares they wanted. II
I had been informed that one OF th
: ladies whose name was on the pat
g ton lepudiated it, and said it vas &c
9 her wish to sign such a petition, an
she wished everyone to know it, ant
= as far as be could see. the petition
; had fraud on the face OF it. He di(
not make assertions that be was no
I prepared to substantiate. He though
, that the ladies of Utah, save a few
had all the privileges they desired
and all, in his opinion. they we're en-
: titled to.
Mr.. Fisher did cot wish to speak a.
any length on the matter, as be
thought the House was already pretty
we'll acquainted with the subject, but
10 answer to remark just dropped,
he would say tia. he and his colleague
from Davis county had received a
communication from the ladies oil
his county soliciting them to vigor-
ously support the former bill. He
was opposed to the former measure
but he supported the present.
Mr.. Penrose arose and replied to
Mr.. Fairs remarks about the
fraud in the petition, and explained
the matter in connection with the
assertion. In regard to all or none,
he was in favor of giving half loaf,
if we could not get all. He spoke
generally on the matter, characterizing
many of the opposing arguments as
absurditie5. Woman has the right TO
vote for men but not for women, no
matter how much she desired. He
also referred generally to the whole
matter involved, advancing the argU-
ments brought ont before.
Mr.. Smith said th3 bill vas either
too broad or too narrow. He knew of
no offices more responsible positions
than ttoJe proposed i'll the bill. 1t
seemed to him rather doubtful
whether an action of this kind
would stand the test of law. He
had not understood that legisla-
tive bodies were in the habit
of giving half franchise. There
were physical reasons why wo-
man should not hold all Offices. He
did not see, in view of the objections,
tia. the matter was all clear; and
could not account fer the attempts
being made; to him the measure
seemed unnatural. In regard to the
names on the petition, he thought
there must have been some undue
influence brought to bear to secure
them, as in looking them over he had
disc overed the names Of four chi !ren
thereon, who, he was satisfied, were
not sufficiently matured to be capable
of passing judgment on such sub
jeot. The subject was being pushed
in a very peculiar matter, when such
proceedings we're unnecessary.
Mr.. Jacques said the bill makes Wo-
men eligible to all Offices that are
educational or clerical; be was ready
to vote for it and could Lot see any
solid objections to it, nor could he
see the awful dangers ahead which
had been presaged by the honorable
members, 1.-THE Office was responsible
and no woman could fulfil it, don't
nut her there. Put the person in
that could best Eli it. He saw moth
ing unnatural in it, and he did not
wish to keep any person out OF Office
that others wanted in.
Mr.. Farr arose and replied to Mr..
Penrose. He accused no one of
fraud. but if be saw the name of
lady on a petition, who was opposed
to the matter, and be was pre-
pared to substantiate what be
said and lie spoke candidly and
underatandingly, be had his own idea
of it, and perlons could call such a
thing what they wanted. He was
satisfied that nine-teuths OF the
women whose names were on the
petition would repudiate the senti-
ments il contained. 1t was some
thing new for children 10 sign such g
petition. In his opinion, woman now
held the most responsible position she
could hold-that of rearing bright
and honorable children, to give them
good educations, and make them
good citizens. The source Of all law,
that great book. gave no example OF
this kind, and nowhere did 1t attempt
to force upon woman such duties as
we new propose to place upon her;
there were many objections be did
not wish to give. The very women
who wanted the Offices, we're the very
ones be did not want to give offices.
Mr.. Penrose rose and again replied
that the petitions that had been re-
ferred to we're presented by him just
as he would present any, whether he
would support it or not; and be
assumed no responsibility for petit
tons, but be did for the bill. He
agreed with the arguments re-
garding the family relations; but
all women had not families. While
these persons are willing that
a woman should wash for 81 day,
they were unwilling ne should hold
an Office that might bring her 81 or
So a day. He saw no reason for the
alarm about the evils that would re-
cult from the passage Of the bill; snd
in regard TO the higher Law, be was
willing to discuss that with any per
son at the proper time.
Nj. Pack said that, according 10
the petitions, the women had fully
considered the matter, and if they
were desirous of holding offices: they
should also be willing to share the
burdens of citizenship. If naviga-
tor is caught in storm he stretches
the cosrser material to save his vessel;
If he were to use the finer fabrics for
that purpose he would be looked upon
"a insane. The finer fabrics would be
nsed for indoor adornment For his
psrt. he was opposed to drawing
woman into the political Quagmire,
10 --or,;d he eubinok m RI