The Jasper weekly courier. [volume] (Jasper, Ind.) 1858-1922, 1880-07-02

by the Record.
The following Is the official record O.
the testimony taken before the Credit
Mobilier investigating Committee. SC
far as the same relates 10 Mr.. Garfield,
the Republican candidate for the Presi-
dency:
oAKES AnEs' TESTIMONY
Jan. -. isi3. - ikes Ames recalled.
Question. In regard 70 Mr. CARRIED. state 4
the com mlttec details ~ tran~a tiuns let weer
you anu him i'm reference ~ Credit MObiliei
stock Answer ! ut Tor Mr.. Garfield Ten
he paid par and interest
O. When did You agree with him for 'rati
A. THAT agrermeni Wa IN December. 81. 81
January. lsis about that time: ahnur that
time had these cDnycrSat ions VI an N them:
i was all about the same time
I u state what grew out Of III. A. Mr.. Car
4 Held did not pay me amy money. snld bonds
belonging 10 his 5000 ~ stock al n. making
s..b. in june received dividend Ia cash On
his stock " 500. which left bsslAncc due him
Of s3,s. which ! paid him. that l. all The trans
action between iIs; did not deliver him any
stock before or SINCE that j. the only frssnsslc-
ton aud the only thing
.. The so which you paid him was thr sur
piusof earnings ON the stock above the amount
20 be paid for IT, par valslef A. Yes sir. He
never had either his Credit Npbiiicr stock or
mon Pacific kailroad stock. The only thing
! ne realized ON the transaction was the Ssl.
v. see IN this statement of the account
with General Ga ficld charge ~ 81: that i ill.,
terest from the July previous. l. III 4. Yes.
.. And he s.7s on the credit side Ii the ae-
count y the 70 per cent bond dividend sold at
y. And the 500 on the credit side II the
money diyidcnd2 A. Ye-. sir.
Y. And after You had received these TWO
SUNS they IN tho aggrs gateo,crpald the price
A. Yes. sir
q. <iow was that paidg A. Paid IN money.
1 believe.
q. DID you make statement ~ This 10 Mr..
Garheldr A. y resume w: think did with
all ~ them: thar i nv impression.
Y. Whs Yen pa q hn this ~. did YOU nn-
dcrstand i Wa the tai ancp ~ his dividend
ait paying for his SO ~ A. I supposed 81;
% not know what else NJ could suppose.
Y. You Gii not deliver the certificate II
stock 20 himf a. NO sir; be- said nothing
@ Why dIdhe not receive his ccrtincateg A.
do not know.
tween you and him IN the adjust enf 81 these
acc1untSs a. donnt.
Q. You understood you were the holder II
these ten sharesT A. Yes. sir.
Q. Did be 40 understand III a. presume
80. II seems 20 have gone from his mind. how
ever
him IL reference 70 any stock A. Think %.
q. Was u the only Transaction Of any kindg
A. The only transaction
.. Has that ss.a ever bern paid 70 your A.
have mo- recollection ~ IL.
~ Have you any belief that u ever hass A.
No, sir.
a. Not to my knowledge; except that he calls
this loan.
Q. You do not call Il loans A. did not
az The time. ! am willing il should 70 20 suit
Q. what we want 70 ret at T. the exact
truth. a. have told you the truth in my
statement.
Q. When you paid him STD ,iid he under
s1r he hat
Q. Have you any belief now that be- sup
posed soY 4. No: only from WHIST he said the
Y. We wasn't y0slr Judgment Of the transac-
ton. A. NY Judgment Of the transaction H.
Just .,ua, a. ! told you There was but one thing
Q. That amount has never been repaid 10
you. You did not suppose that you had any
right 70 IL. or any claim 20 nj A. No. sir
Y. Iou regarded that as money belonging
20 him after the stock was paid fort A. Yes.
sir.
q. Did General Garfield ever receive these
bondsf A. No, sir; never has received but
Q. And thatb has rcceivcia his own money!
a. suppose so: II did mot belong % me.
should not have given IL 20 him II 4 had not
Q. You did not understand II 20 belong to
You a. a loan; you never called for II, and have
never received IL backS A. No. sir.
you and him In reference 20 the Pacific stock
he was entitled tor A. No. sir
Y. Has ne ever called for M A. No. sir
q. Have you ever offered II 10 himr A. No.
sir.
%. Has there been any conversation in rela-
ton 70 itr A. No. sir.
v. Has there ever bccn anything said he
tween yon and him about resembling the pur-
chase 81 the ten shares ~ Credit MobiIier
stocky Has there anything been said 90 yuu
q ~ being thrown up or abandoned or surrcn-
dercdY A. No, sir, not until recently.
Y. How recentiyy A. since this matter came
up.
10. Since this investigation ccrnmencedg A.
Yes. sir.
q. Did you con slider M the commencement
q this investigation that you held these other
dividends. which you say you did not pay 10
him, IN his behaIff Did you regard yourself a.
custodian Of these dividends for himf A. Yes.
SIR. nc paid for his stock and y entitled 20 his
dividends.
q. will the dividends come 10 him NJ any
time on his dcmandsf A. Yes sir. a. soon a.
this suit a settled.
q. You say S.sz9 was paid 10 him: how was
" paidr "A. presume by check on the SER
Eennt-af-Arms. I find there are some checks
Med without any letters or initials Indicating
who they were for.
y. Have you had any correspondence. since
this dividend wn- paid. with him VA regard 10
THIS natter a. DO not know what matter
q. II you had any correspondence between
you would like 20 see n. A. ! have no copy
~ II.
10. Have You the original A. NJ. sir.
VT. hariicid showed me a letter which he said
ne intended ~ inciuse with some money sent
me. asa MN know who the money came