The Portland daily press., 1880-03-23


have been informed to-day by an ex-President
of the Senate that Joe Baker told him with
| chuckle that he guessed Orvill's pen-knife
| had been at work on the 'B' In the name of
Oliver Bragdon.
81 also understand that the Republicans pro-
| pose TO lndlct the Governor and Council at
| the September term of the court (here Mr.
Fogg grew eXcited) if they dare to do it we
| will give them the hottest reception they ever
| saw. We will test the legality of their legisa-
ture and do it thoroughly. For my own part
l am citizen, not resident of the State of
Maine. I havn't been in this State five years
yet, and think can carry the case into the
| United States Supreme Court" and Mr.. Fogg
| INDUCED IN quiet chuckle, and then con-
tlnued: Let me correct. am a resident of
havn't been here long enough to gain citizen.
| ship. have been told that L can carry any
| case brought against me into the United
States Court, not having been here five years
Ii this IS the case, and the Republicans want
to test the legality of their acts, we will see if
the to of the Supreme Court of the United
States is carried in the breeches' pocket of
James Il. Blaine, as the Supreme Court of the
State OF Maine is. hardly think that COM
mittee OF legislature that has never taken
take to try and convict honorable mer.'
MIR. Fogg," asked the reporter, as the great
exponent of Grenbackism passed to take
breath, you noticed perhaps that DR.. Garce-
lon stated while under examination that he
did not doubt but what wrong had been done,
but that he was innocent of it himself and
that it must have been the work of the Coun-
Gil. Now do you say that not case except
the one mentioned was unexamined by Gov.
Garcelon himself?
Mr.. Fogg smoked in silence for moment,
and then said firmly:
"Not a case to my knowledge, and 1 am of
the opinion that all the particulars of the
Fairfield case were told him by Councillor
hs,,Irxl ,o% ,~.oI
the law and the precedents and the evidence
in each case more strictly than any former
Governor of Maine, to judge by what has been
told me by Mr.. Harden, Mr.. Stacy and Mr.
Piston, former clerks in the executive depart
ment. have no doubt that the Governor
may have become mixed up somewhat by the
immense pressure of the duties of his office,
and the immense pressure of Republican poll
ticians demanding to have the returns given
up to them from day to day, I don't think he
has the mental or bodily vigor that he had ten
years ago, still think he is au uncommon
man for one of his age.''
"Mr. Fogg. please to describe the manner IN
which the cases were examined and disposed
of by the Governor and Council"
"After memorandum of the vote given in
each return had been tabulated on the original
blotter, which understand is now lost, each
return that had been marked as doubtful while
making that memorandum was taken up and
wherein corrections could be made under the
and hearing was given on each indvidu al
case. In three or four cases certificates would
have been given to Republican nominees had
it not been for evidence that came out during
the examination from Republican testimony,
notably in the cases of East Livermore, Web
ster, Lisbon and Skowhegan,' replied Mr..
Fogg.
TT appears from the evidence taken before
the Hale committee that in one case, at least,
a Fusion town clerk was furnished with sec
ond blank in order to put in an amended re-
turn. Did you know anything about the
case?" inquired the reporter.
"The clerk from Somerville SO testified but
am assured by the son of the clerk of Som
erville that in his opinion the second blank
was furnished by Mr.. Blaine himself We
know that Mr.. Blaine sent his private secreta-
ry to the Office of the Secretary of State i'm
mediately after the 18th of November, and
there procured such blank as was sent out to
the towns throughout the state, upon which
they were to make out their returns and that
he had large number of exact copies of this
blank printed at the Office of the Kennebec
Journal, and they were sent out over the
state, and certified copies procured on them,
was one of these blanks that was furnished to
him and on which he made his second report
to the Governor and Council. This blank was
the one he says that was furnished to him by
the Governor and Council, and on which he
made his second return. The Governor and
no member of the Council remember of any
contest over the Somerville return. 1t seems
to me scoundrelly proceeding that Mr.. Hale
should have incorporated in his report the bar
room story of Mr.. Mcclellan of Belfast, and
upon such testimony as that of Orville D.
Baker, Herbert M. Heath, E. G. harrington
and Sam Gallagher, two of whom were at
torneys for claimants to seats, and the others
notorious backyard politicians and henchmen
of Blaine, that honorable men, ex-officials of
the state government should be convicted
The other witnesses of the case were town
clerks and selectmen who were interested be-
cause that the throwing out of the returns
from their towns was conclusive proof of their
inability to hold town offices. So that every
witness heard before the Hale committee, ex-
cept ex-Gov. Garcelon, E. G. Moody and John
Benson. Jr.. were interested parties.
Mr. Garcelon was trapped by legerdemain
trick OF the Hale committee, and it seems to
me that Mr.. Moody must have had pecuniary
consideration. [ am ready to testify that he
told me that he was offered $4,000 to defeat
the result OF the tabulation, and that the
original blottcr was worth $500. John Benson,
by Messrs. Black and Charming. He testified
before the Hale committee and Immediately
verdict was given in his favor. All this is
evidence to me that there is conspiracy to
convict the Governor and Council. Unless
they can convict the Governor and Council
they will not dare to go before the people on
the issue of revolutionized state"
In general Mr.. Fogg expressed his determin-
alton to discuss nothing but financial matters
after the first of June; that he means to work
for Ben. Butler for President; that he means to
make the fight hot one; that he is dead set
against ''fusion'' and that before the first of
June he would be glad to come to Portland
and discuss the state issues presented in the
late contingent operation with any "Repub-
lican in the field or out of it," "And," added
Mr.. Fogg, Il want you to add that in the
event of the arrest of the Governor and Coun-
Gil and their conviction as is possible, as there
is no knowing what the courts may do, then
there will be such revolution as the Republi-
cans will not want to see-in Short civil war
and if civil war comes it will not be fought
with muskets, but with nitroglycerine, dvna-
mite and matches. Such a final result think
is inevitable.
would stand till it became so corrupt that it
could stand no longer. think that time has
come. see the same indications in this coun-
try that existed in France prior to the revolu-
ton. Already Maine is in state of anarchy,
and under bayonet rule Two iron-clads are
in the bay OF San Francisco, a standing army
holds the city, Kearney is imprisoned on
nominal charge, while greater and more infa-
nous criminals run at large. The judiciary is
despised by large part of the people; the
growing under their burdens. They are or
ganizing in every part of the country The
nation is honeycombed with corruption and
discomfort. There is no hope for the pauper.
lied masses, only IN revolution.
For my part have thought this for some
time, although 1 have never dared even
to breathe it to myself. hardly think this is
the view of the larger portion of the Green
hackers, but it is the view taken by hosts of
them, as well as by many Democrats and Re-
publicans, who would be as much surprised to
hear themselves giving utterance to such sem
timents as I am to hear myself giving utter
ance to them. have always had serious
doubts of the final success and complete tri-
umph of the Greenback party, the Laboring
mems party, or of any other party save the
Moneyocracy that rules us today, but 1 have
never doubted the inevitable, that is revolu-
ton. If the count-out was wrong, which /
doubt, it could not be helped, no more could
the disgrace of the court By it one good re-
suit has been obtained; 1t hastens the final
struggle, in which labor will obtain her free
dom, or it be demonstrated that no republic
can stand.
The contact of monarchical with Repub-
lican system of government is poisonous to
each other. The United States is today aping
the customs and practices of the European
monarchies. The world is about to be shaken
with political earthquake and I believe that
the United States is to be the battle ground;
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