Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1880-10-05
ANOTHER CAMPAIGN SENSATION
What Gen. Grant Says Of Gen. Han.
cock and His Order No. 40.

| Inc GdSete VIII PRINT tomorrow the report ol
| an Interview between the Rev. c. II. Fowler, ID.
| d.. and Gen. Grant, which gives some startling
points In connection with the inside history OF
Haneocks order No. 40. Gen. Grant talked
| freely TO Dr. Fowler, and after the interview
| gave his written consent 70 its publication
under certain restrictions as to time. The con
SeIsation took place In Gen. Grants library a,
Ga!ena on the 2lst OF September. Speaking o.
| Hancock, the eXPresident said: "Down ID lS6l
he Sc med like man ambitious to do his duty
an oficer, but fn 1864, when Mcclellan wa
greatly excited and changed him. He was s
| delighted that he smiled all over It crazed him
Before that we got on well; after that he would
hardly speak to me. 1 was working 70 enforce
| the laws OF Congress, and he was working for
| the presidency. Perhaps he thought 1 did NOT
| praise him enough: but any way, he hardly
| spoke to me. 1t was On my nomination that he
was made a brigadier general In the regular
army. When was made general Stanton told
me lt was compliment 70 me, and that
cou name the men to fill the vacancies I'm the
Ileutenan, generalship and major generalShfp
| caused by my promotion. nominated Hancock
| Ior the vacant major generalshtp I'm the regular
army. He acknowledged it manfully. He was
| q very fair corps commander but was never
thought of for any great place. When the army
OF the Potomac was hunting for comma ander II
took most every body-eyen came over into the
west for officers, but nobody ever even suggested
Ha1 cock for the place. After he received that
vote Id 1894 he had 1.-The bee" In his bonnet and
shaped everything TO gain democratic aud
southern favor He has watched and planned
0cratic nomination"
TRUE INwARDNEss OF ORDER NO. 40
DO you think. general, that his celebrated
oroer NO. No. 40 40 represents the direction OF his
Well will give you the true inner history Of
ofotf NO. 40. Congress was striving to prevent
andrew johnson from undoing the reconStruc-
ton laws Whenever Congress passed law
johnson bent his energies TO defeat ifs enforce
ment. and would fiId preteXts to dodge round
II: Then Congress would pass another law to
mt nn ~
gresS had taken from himsall control OF the
generals commanding the seven districts or the
south, except the power to remove them and
manders could remove any civil OFFICER of any
grade, judge or governor. When was mad
general and they were determining my
powers aud duties, they gave the general, by
accident, think, or without seeing all it fn
Volved. co ordinate power with these district
commanders, and as j was senior, 1t gave me
authority. Gen Sheridan was sent to the de-
partment OF Louisiana, covering Louisiana
ana Texas. BE Is very shrewd and very able
He Kept his eyes open, learning rapidly the
men who were not worthy to occupy their places.
and discovering competent and worthy men TO
put in their places. The legislature OF
Louisiana passed law authorizing the issue of
SI,ee0,000 OF levee bonds, ostenSfbly for the
ieyee. they conditioned their sale Oh their
bringing to the state not less than 50 per cent
OF their face. The governor and three commits
sioners were to place the bonds on the marked.
put they soon found out that the bonds would
not Df1ng more than 40 per cent. To avoid the
law they invented the plan of borrowing money
and using the bonds as collateral They could
borrow about "a or 35 per cent OF the face OF the
bonds. just at this Juncture. to prevent these
Sheridan took OF the heads OF the
governor and commissioners so quick
them, and appointed good men In their places
For some reason the removed men were very
anxious to be reappointed. They employed
Reverdy johnson and another LAWYER to- work
% Oaa a. I
were reinstated. This is great deal of money
for four men to pay for positions unless there is
some special gain In the case. ReVerdy johnson
came to me, but was SO stupid and stubborn
that Gould not be induced to reappoint them.
He went to Andrew johnson and made his case.
ana Andrew johnson sent for me and asked me
reinstate those men, refused to do So
He said: "Reinstate them even IL It is only for
one day. will promise that they will resign
!nought Johnson might not know CT the mo
i've why they were SO anxious TO be reinstated
and thinking would do him great service in
x eping him from great blunder told him
that one hour would serve those men as well as
one day, and unfolded their intent. But John-
| fused and excused myself. johnson then re
moved General Sheridan and appointed
Ssaera cock to HanSask WssS,ngton He called Haa
him in defeating the laws OF Congress concern. @
1pg reconstruction. AS soon as learned that
HANCOCK was In town, l called at his hotel in
stead OF sending for him. / wanted to see him
privately In his own room. 1 found him in his
room, perhaps before he had his breakfast. /
said. General, you and are SoldierS-army OIL
GERS. we have life positions. We serve under
successive administrations without regard to
party. Ii is our duty to enforce the laws or
congress. We are not responsible for the wis.,
dom OF the laws. Congress bears that respon-
slDlllty. we simply enforce Them
He said, well, am opposed to niger domi-
nation
said: General, it is not question of nigger
domination. -Four millions OF ex-slaves with
education lv RI
30,0O0,0CO whites, with all the education and
property. 1t Is question OF doing our sworn
ne said: We'll, am opposed to niger DOM
nation
saw that my only chance to influence him
was py Inc remnant OF authority left In my
naIdS. He was determined to please the demo
cratic party and the south. He went south
aLd removed the governor and commissioners
that General Sheridan appointed. 1 Instantly
tele graphed him not TO appoint to office any
man who had been removed, and to give me his
reasons by mail for removing the men. He teIe.
grapLed In long reply costing The government
reasons were not sufficient; TO send by mail
other reasons. He again telegraphed about the
same points, only not quite so long, costing only
$780,. lie telegraphed that If he could not have
freedom to all, his usefulness would be de,
stIoyed, ard that he would have to ask to be
relieved. ltelegraphed him TO revoke his order
He as ked johnson to relieve him, as no one else
could. That is the Inner history and spirit of
his celebrated order No. 40 This order resulted
In the loss OF many lives. know of cases, and
can give them. His statement that the civil
authorities are supreme is q truth admitted by
all In time Of established peace, but can de.
nonstrate that he did not subject the military
power to the civil, but that ne used his military
power to overthrow the civil"
Gen. Grant ON the Chicago COnven.
ton.
In speaking of the Chicago convention, Gen
Grant said: "There are three reasons why
would have accepted the nomination: First, on
account OF the character OF the men Who urged
1t. esteem their respect and confidence more
than the nomination. Second believe could
have broken up the solid south. Many life
lcng democrats In the south had given the
strongest assurances OF their cordial support
believing that / could deliver them from the
evils of a solid south. Third, there is another
partial reason. l believe that 1 could have
induced, from my knowledge OF our consulates,
the enactment OF certain laws touching our
commerce that would have given us coltrol of
much desirable commerce = for instance In
Mexico-inStead OF dealing with people who use
Cnly slave labor and receive little or nothing
but sterling fn exchange"
DR.. Fowler, who held the above conversation
with the ex-PreSident was until recently editor
OF the Adrocdte, leading Methodist paper pub
ushed Ia New York He is now missionary Sec
retaTy OF the Methodist E piscopal Church
GREAT FIRE AT LEADVILLE.
Mining Property Threatened.
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