The Pacific commercial advertiser. [volume] (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1856-1888, 1880-05-15

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tie Inferior. He quoted a petition from Mer-
chants and stOrekeepers with 40 signatures OF
which no notice Is taken This IL the petition
previously referred, a reply to which appeared IN
the newspapers, but the petition itself was new
er published. Truth should be made known
whoever should suffer and something must be
said in order 10 fix this on gentlemen's minds.
Sir. Carter said in his letter 20 the Minister Of
Foreign Relations, ne was instructed 10 conclude,
If possible, a connection with the British Gov
eminent, and he was offered every facility to
make this connection.
His Ex. the Minister of the Interior pointed
out that no official negotiations were entered into
with the British Government
Mr.. Rhodes said the gentleman who gave him
the information was tie Hon. Member from La
haina.
Mr.. Gibson said, it is something not desirable
to introduce what had been said in private con-
versatiOn into this Assembly. but when introduced
let il properly be understood. 10 reference TO
the alleged interference of the Chief Justice, he
had some conversation with the Hon. Noble. and
also with the Chief Justice, and he understood
him { the Chief Justice to say that he had had
some conversation with our envoy on the subject
Of introducing East Indian coolies, and that din
culties had presented themselves, and If he IN
dulged in any suppOsitiOn of motives 1t ought not
to be introduced here. He knew that at that time
the importance of the reciprocity was under con-
sideratIOn, and no doubt he gave motives Tor not
concluding the convention.
Mr.. Rhodes proceeded, and said the Government
had refused to bring Indians, but they had
brought other people. and he agreed with the
Hon. Member that these South Sea Islanders are
not the proper persons to amalgamate with this
people, and any one can see when walking about
the streets that they are of a very low type. At
the last session $50 900 had been appropriated
for immigration purposes and $50 900 additional
have been expended. Ii will be found on look
ing into these accounts that there had been a
great waste Of money. The vessel employed in
the trade is a wreck and not fit to 90 to sea. Had
the same amount been spent on Indians we should
now be well of. He said, South Sea Islanders
are sayages to the present day, and threaten to
kill any one who will not allow them to do as
they like. As regards to labor they cannot do 1t,
and 80 per cent. Of them have died of those who
have been brought here during the last II months.
They are brought at a pecuniary disadvantage,
and only for 3 years, whereas the Indians would
be brought for 10 years. In every respect they
would be an acquisition to this country, but we
cannot have them because some few gentlemen
have decided we shall not. ~
His Ex. the Minister of Foreign Relations re-
ferred to the resolution, which was to avert the
dangers which threatened the Sovereign and his
people, but the Hon. Noble had confined himself
TO the subject Of introducing coolies. It would
seem by has remarks that he was the guardian of
these coolies. lie went on to say, that IN 1876 a
commission was appointed TO develop the resOur-
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being sent to England TO try and negotiate for
East Indian Coolies it being taken into consid-
Grafton that the Indians were a copper cOlored
race, and It was thought easy to get them to
come as there was a famine IN their country at
the time. Ii was also thought the Indian Gov
eminent would favor the scheme. MIR. Carter
had an interview with the English Commissioner
before he started, and the protocol was favored.
Now he had interviewed gentlemen who had been
in countries where Indian labor had been en-
plOyed and he received Information directly Op-
posed to the protocol, aud he could bring docu-
ments which would prove that 1t would be impOs-
sible to get coolies from India. 1t would also be
impossible TO get them to work with other coolies
on the same plantations. They would not mingle
with others. nor would they eat pork, and every
one knows that the Hawaiians are fond of pork.
Murders have been committed by the Indians
simply because they have found pork mixed in
their food. DIR. Hildebrand says that they are
lank, small-boneda and weak, and that one China
man is worth three Indians. Mr.. Rhodes had
said the immigration of Indians would establish
the independence of the country, but he doubted
it, and feared that If we introduced Indians we
would be interfered with by some other Govern
ment. We would have to make laws and a treaty
with the Indian Government before we could get
those people, and they would insist that a resi-
dent Commissioner be appointed, and that the
coolies be placed under his charge. There is no
doubt the Government would never consent to
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was here. We see what aas been the experience of
the Fiji Islands, and 50 II Is with every other
place where these coolies 20. Rules and ordinan-
ces are made. and they learn them off by heart
and quote them to their employers. The indie
pendence of the country would be threatened by
the violation of the laws and therefore he did not
want To see the day, and hoped his children and
his grand children would not see the day when a
person should reside among them who shall con-
slider himself a more important person than His
Majesty. By e~nacting good laws and carefully
carrying them out We have increased in strength
our relation with Foreign Countries. DIR. Hide
brand stated in his report that the Indians had
the cholera in their blood. and that had been the
experience in FIJI, ancient Britons and Hawai-
ians had been sayages at One time. The South
Sea Islanders came here under the same laws as
the HawaiIans, and they did not want to intro
duce laws OF their own HIS Excellency con-
tinued 20 speak at great length on the subject.
aud ON resuming his seat. IL was moved that the
Committee Of the Whole rise and report progress.
Mr.. Gibson said he had been alluded to on the
FIRST occasion, and also on the present one, and he
hoped that he might have the privilege OF the floor
tomorrow 10 speak on this subject.
At AGO p. NJ. the House adjourned until l p.
n. tomorrow.
Ninth DAY-Tuesday. May Ilth, 1880.