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themselves. This of course does not apply to the
White River Utes, who Ouray admits have Tor
feited their rights under the treaty
ATALK WITH SENATOR WINDOW.

ocRATs AVOIDING THE RAISING OF ISSUES
GIVING UP SHAM ECoNoMY-THE INDIAN AND
NEGRO QUESTIONS.
Looking at the fresh, genial, unwrinklcd face,
dark brown hair and bright eyes of Senator William
Window, of Minnesota. no one would suppose nm
to be of the veterans of the National Congress-
Yet he has been in continuous service for twenty
years-ten in the House and ten in the Senate.
There are few members now left in either branch
who in Washington when he took his seat IN
the old Hall of Representatives, in December, 1852
How he has managed amid the worry of legislative
work and the stress and strain of annual political
campaigns to keep his youth so long is mystery
which can only be explained by his sunny temper
and unfailing good-nature. man blessed WITH
such disposition wears an armor OF SILK when Is
better protection against the shocks and friction OF
life than mail of trpe-proOf. Senator WINDOW
came TO New-YOrk the other day to help along the
Worlds Fair project by speaking at the Chlckerng
Hall meeting. During his stay in the city. he was
asked by a representative of THE TRIBUNE some
questions about the drift of the session at Washing
ton and the following conversation ensued:
"You Congressman are making very little news
at Washington this Winter. What is the cause oil
the dulness of the Congressional proceedings
"The Democrats want to avoid raising any issue,
Tor fear they will be still more embarrassed in the
coming Presidential campaign. 1t is the duileSt
session have ever seen."
"Yct suppose it will drag along until JuneT
"Pm not so sure of that. / favor q short session,
and see no reason why we should not get through
carly in the Spring. There is really nothing to DO
but to pass the appropriation bills, and that IS
routine work. The bills will be substantially
duplicates of those of last year. and the labor upon
them is merely formal. There seems to be no de-
mand from the country for general legislation on
new questions, and no disposition IN Congress 10
bring such questions forward"
"WiI the Democrats attempt to make any fresh
capital by cutting down the appropriations =
Il think not. They have already exhausted their
talents in that direction. Secretary Sherman's
showing that they voted last year about twenty
millions more than the departments asked for so ex-
posed the sham of their pretence of holding the Ad
ministration back from squandering the pubic
money that they are not disposed to try the economy
dodge any longer"
"What are they going to do with their issues of
last session which they postponed until this VIM
ter ?"
Let them rest as quietly as they can lou may
depend on one taing-they will not again attempt to
coerce the President into signing bill by threaten
ing to starve the Government to death. They got
the verdict of the people that performance at the
Fall elections and will try any further expert
ments in the same direction"
but they can't avoid meeting the question OF
having the United States Marshals for whom they
appropriated no money last session. Aud that.
sbould suppose will renew the old struggle over the
election laws"
"Iunderstand the Democrats intend to break mp
the appropriation for the Marshals into items. spec-
fyng the purposes for which it is to he spent among
which there will be no mention of enforcing the
election laws The question of sustaining these
laws will come up inevitably when amendments
are offered TO the BILL but Limagne the Democrats
intend to dispose of the subject with as little debate
as possible"
Now as to other questions. Is the tariff to be
amended 7"
"Mr Wood is going to try his hand at it again. L
hear after he disposes of his three per cent bill.
No important changes are likely to be made how
ever"
"The old and cver-new Indian question seems to
be attracting as much attention az anything else at
Washington Is there any new light upon ltT
Secretary Schurz will probably make some 1resn
recommendations before long, In my opinion there
are but two ways OF dealing with the Indians III the
| future. We must either corral them III the Indlah
! Territory or we must break up their trbal organ-
cations give them lands i'll seycralty make citles
| of them aud place them under the laws OF the
States and Territories where they hve' trea,ihg
them inst as white citizens are treated. The latter
course think much the better OF Inc TWO. lohass
| them together would be to perpetnate their savage
eEh"'''ot eides TO- the people of Kansas and Texas
| To separate them permanently from cacn OlheT
| by vast desert Of barbarlsn. III inc lnulans arc
ever to become elfsusiaining citizens u MN pe ny
| the Covernmeut dealing with them as individuals,
| and not as tribes. They must be made amenaoeIo
local law There would Of course, be diihcniucs IN
| the way of breaking up the tribes. we nave made
| treaties with them as If they were independent
| nations, in which we have guaranteed them tnc
| possesson Of their reservations and agreed TO pay
| their apnnities in goods and money but most 0i
these treaties so far the annules are concerned
have limited periods to run. and need not DC re-
| newed The right TO hold reservations III common
I could probably be put over IN most cases ny per
| suading the Indians TO reDquish II voluntarily
| and divide their lands among themselves. At all
events nractical craftsmanship ought TO be able TO
| deal with the difficulties of the question"
il is long step from the Indians to tue negroes,
but the interest you took in theexodus last session,
| leads me to ask whether you think the movement
| Is going 20 continue" .
5I believe it will 90 on until the negro population
| whites treat those that remain with fairness ana
| Justice The exodus IS good thing IN every way
good for the blacks who 90, good for the l?calteS
they 90 to- good for the blacks who stay IN theI od
homes and good for the white people of the South
The negroes who emgrate to the Western pralries
where food is cheap and farm labor III demand can
not ial to better their condition. ana thelr ihuusS
will be valuable to the communities where they set
flo Those that remain will get better prices iO
their labor and will be more likely .i itt
have their rights respected, while the Whites 1i I'M
Sontb will be freed from the spectre OF negrorue ant
will perbaps be obliged to be more industrious tnem
| selves which will do them no harm. Ihey VIII no.
submit to the political control OF the blacks ana th
two races can only get along together ~hcIe th'
blacks are in minority, so that The whites are no
threatened with such control. On al accouny'S
therefore. hope that the exodus will continue.
Senator Window takes warm lhieifst go an an' Wv
think Congress will adopt the requisite lcSSiatoi
this session to set the enterprise in motion.
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