The New York herald., 1879-03-05

fore the courts may have fair trial and another BILL
providing that the United States government shall not
interfere with affairs pertaining to states When these
three bills shall have been signed by the President
then Congress will pass every appropriation bill as
President should veto the bills thus presented no
money would be supplied.
Mr.. CosxLise, lrep of N. Y. after review Of the
sections of the Revised Statutes sought to he re.
pealed, said the senator from Kentucky, who had
long been distinguished member OF the House.
would not. reflection. repeat that the House
meaning majority OF it-during all the days and
weeks that had elapsed. had failed to act upon the
Senate Dill pressed in December last before the
holidays, repeating section 820-one OF these very
sections.
Mr.. BECK explained by saying that the House
not able to pass the bill because the motion from the
Judiciary Committee to suspend the rules failed to
receive a vote OF two-thirds.
sPEEcH OF MIR. CoNKLING.
Mr.. CoSKLING would restate that the Senate bill
would have been read in one minute by the watch.
but the House did not act upon it. and this crcum
should an extra session be brought about. The
Senator from Kentucky had declared that unless tho
Senate should surrender to the House there would
be an extra session. at which the Executive would be
summoned to surrender. Years ago the two houses
of Congress said in substance that there should be
committed to the courts of the nation discretion
by which who had levied against the
government of the United States might in given in
and Congress after another has appeared ana
appeared and disappeared. and now the House OF
Representatives told the Senate that unless this dis
cretion wax taken away from the courts they would
refuse to pass bill to maintain the army and that
separate bill would at the session be introduced
demanding repeal of this act Now. without the
ballot boxes and tho election law there would have
been fair election law in the State in which he had
lived since that law WAS enacted 1t was enacted TO
guard the ballot boxes in the State of New
York from the thugs and thieves OF Tammany
Hail. and it had guarded the ballot boxes from
those marauders He was not going to argue that
the law had not been abused. He not going to
discuss whether either Of these laws had been sub
!ect to attempts to peryert or oyersran them When
discuss it, in reference to some of the allegations
that had been made. They were told that unless
these provisions repealed appropriation
bills were to pass at this swift passing session and
that at the next session the majority of the
two houses would virtually take the govern
ment by the throat and refuse to let it
breathe unless these provisions were surrendered.
He for one was ready to meet that issue; they
necessary not He went TO show how the
democrats of the House had plenty of opportunities
the statute book. but that. too. to be made
one OF the akcweghts to justify this revolutionary
proceeding.
SPEECH OF Nh. THURMAN.
Mr.. THURMAN, (dem) of Ohio, said no more impor-
tant question in . time of peace was ever brought
before an American Congress. for it involved not
merely the merit or demerit Of the law which the
House bill proposed to repeal, but also the rights
privileges and powers Of the two branches Of Con-
gress and OF the President. It question which
bad never been brought sharply before tho
American Congress and American people as it
must must be be- decided. We W. We're ' at % the beginning ing
perhaps. OF struggle that might last as
long in this country as 1t did in the mother
country, where it went for two centuries
before it determined. 1t was not likely to last
long here; but it might last long that every man
in that Chamber would in his grave before ii
completed. 1t was the question whether the House
of Representatives had the right to say they would
grant supplies only on condition that were
redresscd. They would say:-"We represent tho
taxpayers Of the Republic, and we only have the
right to originate money bills which grant the
State. We represent the taxpayers Of the Republic.
and we claim the right which the English House Of
Commons established after contest lasting two
centuries Now this had been styled revolutionary,
but he was not to be frightened from consideration
Of these measures by unjust denunciation.
Mr. THURMAN then gave brief resume Of the strug-
giles Europe to make the of the people heard
and pointed that the contest in England not
against the monarch only. but against the House of
Lords and they established the rule that the House
of Lords had no right to amend money bill. but
must accept or reject it IN toto:. Tho Senate.
tative Of the taxpayers as was the House.
The power OF the House to demGnd conditions on
which 70 grant supplies Is more likely to grow than
tho contrary, it much more likely to mako the
government acceptable to tho people. and the gov.
crnment OF the people administered for the benefit
OF TIA people with regard to the law in regard to
jurors he said 1t was Disgrace to civilization
made the selection Of fair jury impossible. The
| fair and bipartisan jury could bo procured.
Ptssr OFFICE RIIL
At this point Mr.. DoEsEY, from the committee Of
| conference the Post Office Appropriation bill
made report which was agreed to.
The dispute on the repeal OF the Supervisors law
| was continued ut great length.
Mr.. HARnIs, (dem.) Of Tenn. asked for q suspen.
sion Of discussion in order that the Senate might
consider the House bill to restore the churches In
the District of Columbia to their respective congre
cations. The churches assessed and taxed to
the amount of $4,000. and, consequently. nearly
every ono was sold It was desirable that tho aot Of
1874, far it affected these churches should be
amended and tho churches restored to their respec
tive trustees
The bill was read and agreed to.
ON THE LEGISLATIVE ELL.
vote then taken upon q motion that the
committee rccede from its position relative to the
Legislative bill and was lost, by 30 nays to 26 yeas
Mr.. THURMAN then moved that the Senate strike
from the amendment to the House bill that part
Mr. CoSKLINa rose to point of order and submit
ted that the two motions could not be made an
The PRESIDENT ruled the motion out of order and
Mt. Thurman appealed against the decision, and, on
motion OF MIR. Conklng. the appeal was laid on the
table.
A motion was then made that the Senate sustain
its amendment to the bill which. on the yeas and
being called. was carried by vote OF 20 yeas to
"a nays
Mr. BLAINE moved that another Committee of
Conference the Legislative Appropriation bill be
asked of the House and this agreed to. He
also moved that the Senate still further insist on its
amendments to the Army bill.
On motion of Mr.. BAYARD, the following rcsolu-
tion Adopted
Resolved That tho thanks OF tho Senate duo and
herSos mon IN wSsb =" as pp
sided over the deliberations of the senate.
On motion OF Mr.. CoNKIISd Ut halfpast eight
O'Clock the Senate took recess till ten O'Clock.
PRESIDENT PRO TEN. ELECTED.
The Senate rcassembled ut ten o'clock A. NJ, and
was called to order by Secretary Gorham who read
letter the Vice President tesfyn to the Senate
that he would not occupy the chair again during the
present session. and that President pro ten might
be elected
Mr.. ANTHONY (rep.l of II. l.. submitted rcsolu-
ton declaring the Hon Thomas ". Ferry, of Michi-
gan. President pro tem. OF the Senate.
Mr. BAYAnD. of Del. moved to amend the resoiu-
ton by substituting tho name Of the Hon. Allon u.
Thurman. Of Ohio, for that OF Mr.. Ferry.
Kejcctcd-ycas 10. nays 2s-as foliows:-
YKAs-Messrs Bailey, Bayard, Beck Butler, Cectrcll
Coke Davis of Illinois, Davis of Wcst Virginia, Dennis
Eaton Geron. Grover Harris, Hereford Itl Jones 1t
Florida, Norman, Lsmsr, Hcpherson. Msxey Morrimon,
Sansbury, Voorhees,, Wallace, whytc and withcrs-26.
NArs-Messrs Allison. Anthony, Blaine, Booth, Burn.
side, Cameron of Pcnnsyvwn~. Cameron of Wisconsin,
Chandler Cono.cr Dawes Edmnnds, iiamiin Hoar, In
gals krkwood Mcmillan Matthews. Mitchell, Morrill,.
0ylesby Paddock. Plumb. Rollins Saunders, spencer,
Teller, Wadcigh aud Windon-2S
Mcssrs, Eustis. Johnson. McCrccry. Garland and
Shields. who would have voted in tho Affirmative.
were paired with Mcssrs. Chadec. Sargent, Howe.