The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1879-11-09
TILDEN AND THE DEMOCRACY.
How the Southern Phalanx
Will Be Broken.
Thu REPUBLICAN PARTTS ADVANTAGE.
The Cubernatorial Claimant Still Hopeful
for massachusetts,

Bosrox. Nov. a. 1879.
Since his fourth defeat In the gubernsforia rsce.
which occurred last Tuesday. General Butler has
kept remarkably quiet. Beyond answering fee
desutory questions by asking others or by telling
stories he has granted interviews. and outside Of
his personal aud political friends has expressed
no opinions on the disastrous result But
to-day he succumbed TO the interviewer and
dictated . formal statement OF hts Vows
% representative Of his Boston organ. the Globe.
After short preliminary conversation. In which
the subject Of the Generals health. about which
much has been said lately was MENTIONED. he said;-
''As you refer to the false report Of my sickness
wish you would say. that the newspaper press can
read it, that while am careless A. TO that person
ally--whether they reported me sick or wel-yet
they should remember that I have friends
and relatives at great distance from me who are
interested in my health and that such false reports
give them great uneasness and trouble. AZ vel; ~
myself in contradicting them by telegraph. am
willing that they should say anything in tho world
tat they choose IL they will not spread false stories
of my health-stories which annoy and grteve those
who have an interest in me.
THE OF LONGS VOTE.
''In regard to thealatter part of your question
have sort of objection TO stating to you or to-
anybody my views Of the result of the election.
is some twenty thousand more than was claimed for
him by any canvass that was made. The highest
claim saw made in o newspaper was 112.000 votes
was informed that the actually showed for
HIM los, OOO."
'How do you account for the size Of his voter
''An those canvasses wero based on the proposition
that Adams was to get $4,000 votes. Some three
thousand four thousand men that voted for Tai
bot last year voted for Those who could not be
swerved from what they believed to be democracy
voted for Adams thcv did for Abbott with singu-
lar closeness. The rest voted tor Mr.. Long"
"You think. then, that some ten thousand to If
teen thousand called democrats who voted for tho
republican candidate last year have voted for the
publican candidate this Year,"
81 believe so.''
NEARLY THAT HE EXPECTED.
''was your vote about what you expectedY'
"Quite what expected. except in the city of Bos.
ton. supposed the vote there would havo been
larger In numbers IL there not larger plurality.
lost considerable number Of votes in Gloucester
and Rockport by tho sailing Of the mackerei
feet. and also some in Provincetown. Other
<sise my vote was all expected. Be
fore the election. in the calculations Of
the republican committee, also in the pub
lished reports. 1t was claimed that Mr. Long and l
would fall of equally. maintaining the relative
positions, and that that would elect Mr.. Long The
ofhcial result will show that my vote fell of less
than one thousand and his more than ten thou
sand" F~
TILDEN AND THE PRESIDENCY.
''what does the result Of the vote Tuesday sig
nifty in the politics of the Slater
''It signifies that my election was supposed by the
Faneuil Hall democrats to injure Mr.. Tilden's
chances for the nomination for the Presidency and
hence the action Of that class OF socaed democrats
who look to Mr.. Tilden to give them national
office. That bubble, however, Is burst. and
Mr.. Tilden. in my Judgment. stands less
chance OF being elected President than he does
of being struck by lightning in the coming winter.
The democracy will hardly push the choice of man
for the Presidency the second time who had not the
courage and ability take his when elected to
It, In my younger days it was not accustomed to
such leadership. The election in New York has
THE rAxEuIL HALL DEMOCRATS.
ssWhat will be the effect OF the election In this
State upon the Fsneuil Hall democrats. or. rather
upon that organizationy
az have seen what Judge Abbott says. He attended
one national democratic convention. attended ALL
from lS45 to 1880 inclusive. and know that the
party nsea vUssS hays enough
dates for ONCE. They need the rank and file and not
captains. colonies and brigadier generals without
anc without the means OF raising any.
"Ycu think, then. that there will be no question
but what the next national convention will recoa-
nize the delegates chosen at Worcester and those
chosen by the people In their respective districts.
and the batch of delegates chosen by the Faneul
"If they don't there will be no question as to tho
result Of such management in the election. For
nearly nifty years the democracy OF Massachusetts,
toral districts. Mr. Tden or his fugleinen ordered
II otherwise last year by the resolution introduced in
obeyed. That 10 not democracy"
.l- DEMOCRACY STRENGTHENED
weaker for the defeat Of Mr. Tiiden in New York;.
stronger"
''Because no represented nothing that wasn't
equally represented by the republican party. He
represented the wealth. the monopoles. the special
privileges, the banking and currency interests Of
Wall street. On that class of questions the repub
lican party beat him and give him six to ten in
the game. for they have become. from necessity
OF administration during the war and since. the
chosen guardians Of all that class Of interests.
The democratic party north and west OF Albany in
New YORK and west Of the Alleghanies in the coun-
try are In an entirely different way of thinking from
Mr. ridden. and they never will vote for him again.
even II he were nominated"
NO CHANCE $780,
"Do you agree with the opinion which has been so
generally expressed that the democratic party has
chance next year In view OF the results In Maine
Massachusetts. Ohio. California and New York;
81 agree that the democratic party, under its pres
emit lesdership going in the same direction, hasn't
any chance. It has no chance. because fail to ind
unsnirnously by the members Of the democratic
party from those Of the leaders Of the republican
ana captains OF the democratic party in Mas
sschusetts voted. and whom they have attempted to
elect IN in, the past two years you say the tariff
tariff men; you say the finance question. both
parties are split in two upon that question by tho
backbone OF the Aleahenies; IL you say ON the
question OF protection of citizens in their rights by
the general government. the democratic party
doubts whether 1t ought to be done. Most Of
the democratic leaders are afraid to say
that 1t ought to be done, and Hayes
admin stration is afraid to do It, II you speak OF
foreign policy. there is no question between the
democrats and republicans upon that. 1t took them
four months in the special session of Congress to
an anu last ON VII thsv
could divide and that was the question OF
putting troops at the polls. when thore were
no troops to put there, and II was wholly
an inlmateriai question; and. further than that
neither party claimed that the presence of troops ct
the polls had influenced 900 votes. II you say
universal suffrage tue democracy against Il in
the South and the republicans L. favor of AZ In