, 1879-06-10


considered proper 10 send n subcommittee to
Now Orleans to examine witncsscs. in order To
sayc expense.
Jules scvcigncs, momhcr Of tho Packard
Legislature In 1877, anil who WAS present In the
1otnt Convention that elected Mr.. Kellogg to
thu aenntc, was examined.
Mr.. Mcrrick exhibited the affidavit Of the vii
meas. WIN sntd that hc wrote It. and Il bor1 hts
signature. The affidavit WAS read. tatlng that
the witness wns not prcsent in the: l.egs! allure
IN January, 1877, when Mr, Kellogg was elected
for thc long term, but
VOTED ron ntu THE sxxr DAT.
a,r. atcrrlck-Ts that paper truc'
Alt Is not true. -, j
Q.-Tc1l tts who lied.
A.--Ihc ycrf parties who induced nlc to make
this affidavit knew II to he a lic.
Mr' Merriek-i !, tna'ston knowing s''e'r Names
Mr. Kcrnau (ot the commIttcc)-Tou ought
to answer the question:.
Al rant answer. because It would lmplicato
other parties not Interested.
Mr.. Kcrnan-We can't t,clr TINT.
MIR. shollabarEcr suggested sflat the witnoss
bo told tlo consequences Of not answering.
tho subject.
Sir. Kcrnan-As 1t is not secret, you must
auswer.
who induced YOU to swear
WHAT THEY KNRw WAS 4 LIE.
A..-Thpro wcse other parties without my
unrle, mud nm sorry gare his nasne.
Mr.. Merrlck-And you refuse to name the
Mr. Kcrnan-Dld you say that they knew it
was falscheosl when rou made the affldavltl
A.-TleY knew 1t to bs fa1kc.
Q.-Who were they!
A.-That's wlat decline to answer.
Q.-What rcAson can you give for not letting
t',c worll kuo" who these men arct
The witness. alter lsesitaney, said: "Cayanac
Is anothcr.h
Mr. Kernan-Who elsel
A,-Others wanted me to swcnr to lie. They
did not induce inc. Thotnas Murray aud ], II,
Elder were among them.
In reply to Mr. Hill the witness said that
Cayanac was present when be wrote tic afIjds-
~. NOBODY offered to write It. He wrote it by
Q.-Wllnt wa. the induccmcnt mado to you
previous to wrltlug the altidaTltt
A.-Casnnac sail TINT / should hare every
tnInE wantsa & as Kcl]oce Eas to be put oat IF
was M sugar In IT," but did not ask 1, mo to swear
Dro,iett told inc to stand by my affidavit.
Q,-nou WAS It known that you had lade On
x.-it was the tn1k for two months. Drouett
sa!d my testtfnony wis moro important for
spofrord than the testimony Of others.
'Q,-You iunde All affidavit to get eughri
A.-No, put to ascertain n 1loW ~ tho al'daytts
Wt|G A!AAAiA~tAtpA* Nm NV Nphofp "AAk kAt$
Q.-You made the affidavit voluptari1y'
Ayes, Ut my own motion made three all.
daYtts. [Laughfcr,]
=, eM93o 1;!3 you not think IT Was immoral to swear
A.-That depends on circumstances. tits not
whcn men want to brlng about how a1lldavits
arc obtained.
hsd Lcli posttion ii The New Orleans Custom
llouge, hut resigned as soon a. he became VIII
ness: tllat be made tho affidavit
FoIt TIE nnnnrir or THE PUBLIC,
md to expose fraud.
Mr. Murray said he wanted WItncss to 70 to
Cayanac 10 testify IN behalf OF spoiford; that
hc fNitnsss) was not presunt OIL the duy kellogg
was generally voted fur. 1t wus not 4 lie, tho
witness said, becausc hc told IT pnrposeiy to
show how things were done. l.
Nj. Merrck thcn e5oss.cxamined s, witness. who
said he would not pay ANYTHING: He told Cav
aunc t,p WIS not present ut the election Of kel-
logg, but was locked lsp III room.
Q.-That was liza blunt, straightforward
Q.-Was wllat you did supcrjnduced by tho
love Of justice, truth, patriotism, or "sugar"
Al never WINS bssbe1, and tile parties them-
sses s, .sa IT, Ses say rousa aa sEaa Sso and
Q.-Who were the paracsa
Al decline 10 tell.
Ilill-f0u must answer.
A.-Mr. Urouett told 1ne TINT II recorded my
vote for HpofTuEl could
GET WHAT I WANTED m MonEY.
answered t]lRt I could not, "Will you uot,r
he asked ado 1t as d favor for mel" 1 replied,
u Nc, cannot, because 1t would not lto consIs,-
ont to vote for TWO men for tho same Office"
This was in Nichots' Legislature.
saii ho was 81 years old, u whitn man, and nas
dcsccudcd from m Old French family, IIa
called nt The Senator'S room on his arrival IL
Washington, merely shook hands with him, an.l
mol talk about tho case anl snld to witness: II
doubt whether yot should hnvu cume hcrc now,
but after yoa testify l should be glad to see
yeu."
time In Now Or1cans on the I'd o, May. Elder
SAID hu WAS from Washington, cutting up tastl-
nppY tor spotrord. Elder had room IN Chs
toul.I .Ilouse street. The tlrat Ut the ttreu ALL
DARTS WAS given 10 Elder because Elder did not
previously baiicyo Witness VIA tor Si,ol1ora. BY
tb1s means wftucss waa posted at tn huw pnrttcs
were making up tue alllaayits. Eldor told Hin
CRvAunc wns
GETTING uP AEr1pAvlrs
for Spo!fofd to show ttrrn wasno QUORUM In tho
Packard Legislature that elected Kellogg. Elder
there mab tho plan; a,,l further, II tfley could
kucce edea il breaking The quorum, Kellogg would
BE- unseatod before this sessfol was oysr. slur-
ray hat1 lIut lf tfftitylnE Tor hMIt0rt they
roi,ll yet oil t&,eY wanteti hnh cayanar said tint
SpuiTord, wIlet, scutc'l, would divide Ills salnry
aiuung ll,ose who siuck to him. fLauktter.1
Caya,iac wanted IN xtlltlaYlt similar to the ut,u
witness 9uyo Elder, The ,ritucas gavo thu
natncs ot fur mun With whom tu break tho
quorum, INCLUDING Murray al'I himself.
Q.-Was there not another nlnna
A,-Yes, but ttey did not hRye no mueh cou.
6donce In hin, fLsughterl They were de-
pending on tic fact that
Tuo,tAs WAS NOT THERE.
Wptson mns to pert onate Thomaf. The witnessed did
not know whcttor or not Thomas wna present
at tho joint session OF the Legislature, but
thought lie wus.
Q.-D" you know Of others Who made alIi-
daylta similar to yuurst
, Alt ia said onu Was made by Brooks, but
brooks was present at tho joint session. can.
not remember seu!ng him there, but the record
shows tlat ho Was.
Q.-Ali this 10 ,,eW TO ME. Nuw tell Mo Why
you siEncd lllc atillavlta
Al signed II to shop how easy II was to get
up ai1tlaytta, knowing them to bc untrne.
'Q.-yuu wanted To lind out oil the Gncts IN
tl.s case, to lcarn all ubout III
A.-That's 1t exactly.
Q.-llaye you not bcen = consistent Rtpub-
lican, and whenever you found point agaiust
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