The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1879-10-28

parted, and Romsnist of these days. Who does the
True. very true" he answered. "In the apps.
tolic and early Church Christians were in constant
devoutly prayed that the resurrection OF their des
might be FASTENED. The motive was the desire OF
immediate reunion. perhaps"
"And now?"I asked.
2 "And now the motive is wholly different. The
Romanist believes that those who have not COM
mitted mortal siI-for, of course those who have
done so are beyond their reaeh-are in some inter-
mediate place where they are to undergo the pro-
cesses of publication and that the prayers of the
living may be OF great avail in lesseuing the period
OF their punishment and probation"
The CUSTOM" said Mr.. Woodcock, "has also pre-
'Yes." he answered cit is the habit OF devout
Hebrews OF the present time to remember the dead in
their prayers In the Book of Maccabeus have the
record OF the prevalence OF this custom among the
Hebrews before the time OF Christ And although
l do not include that Book in the OF Holy
Scripture we all nevertheless admit its historic
value"
NEUTRALITY-SUSPICIOUS..
"But do You believe" asked, .'that II Is admis-
sible to offer prayers this way and for this object %
81 believe" be replied 'thats Christ is the only
means of salvation and think that this life deter
mines the future, but also believe that the mercy
of God the love of jesus reaches below beyond and
above this earth, and for great number of Chris
tians who are in case of stricken down with
out sufficient preparation, believe may hope
that the mercy of the Saviour will reach them and
as tor myself it is great ana sweet consolation to
pray the blessed Lord to not let them perish but
draw them up higher and higher into His
iSa presence nn,s,i DO no. believe En-, IN tho
says. In my fathers house many
sions.' believe that some. though very low by
reason OF their bad instincts and lives may by the
persistent help OF Gods grace work out their entire
publication. Those who this LIE reject Christ
and persist in mortal sin go to he'll. 1t is impos
sble for the most fervent prayers to alter their tate
Those who accept Chr ist and purified and pre-
pared for the higher mansions go up at once to
the Holy Presence. Those whose lives lie between
those two extremes-who occupy morally
middle ground-even our human sense Of JUS
into hell. There may be. and, indeed. with all
my heart hope that there is intermediate state
call It purgatory or what you like-in the other
world. where an opportunity will be afforded them
to work out their salvation. And il this be why
may not pray for them? And the vast heather
world" he continued, "are going to shut out
those to whom Christ has never been preached?
for one leave them with confidence to the love and
mercy of God. All things are possible with Himf"
''Then," said, Iii you do not accept the Roman
view OF purgatory you must logically deny that
works OF supererogstion are possibleY'
"Most certainly, he answered II do not believe
that any good deeds of mine will be made IN
offset to the evil deeds of any one else"
IN. Loyson, said, I'VE have been talking of
serious theological questions but assure you they
are questions concerning which your American
friends will be glad to know how you stand. Will
you allow me to say that on many Of the topics
which have been discussed you to be very little
of the Catholic the word is commonly used, not
all Roman. and almost entirely in accord with
the most evangelical Protestant scholarsr'
CATHOLIC. BUT NOT noMAN
He replied :-"You mistake. am thoroughly
testing against the of Rome and Of all others
am Protestant. though do not accept the mutt
according the Apostolic Church and the Bible,
nothing more and nothing less. You understand
me know"
~ would like now to ask you two practical
questions, as, for instance why, when you made
your great change. you did not enter the Anglo
American communion You believe in the episco-
pacy and theologicaly you do not materially differ
from the doctrines taught by that communion
81 did not enter the Anglican Church.. he replied.
sheCaua9 n m and for has
reason did not unite with the American Church.
You have in your great country church OF your
not some time be also true of Frxnce2 While con-
slider all my brethren in Christ members Of ono
visible church on the earth it is certainly matter
OF expediency that each nation should have church
which can meet its own peculiar needs. think my
work would be seriously hindered among my own
countrynen II were to unite with church which
is peculiarly the property Of any other nation.
am FrenchInan. and therefore must have French
church"
ATTITUDE OF RoMK.
LET me ask you next what the attitude Of tho
Roman Church has been toward your movementY'
said.
81 have nothing but charity in my heart" he an
swered, seriously and with good deal of feel
ing toward those dear brethren among whom I
spent so many years OF my life. When 1t became
my duty announce the grave differences opinion
between them and myself was actuated. hope. by
that spirit of love which the Master commands in all
His followers. Nevertheless. Rome hnds it hard to
give up her allies, and not surprised, though
was greatly panied, at the course which she saw lit
He spoke with entire frankness aud freedom upon
the subject. 1t is never possible for man to make
u change OF relationship withouts exciting variety
OF hostile feelings. and Pere Hyacinthe is excep-
ton to the general rule. have talked ut leGgth
with several Romanists about the Pere. aud though
condemned for his secession, and in many quarters
with exceeding bitterness, he is respected every
where for the sincerity OF his motives aud tho purity
OF his life.
THE SECESSION FROM ROME
single word more and shall have finished my
already too long communication. My object in those
interviews not controversial. and therefore I
and even to combat some of the positions which
were taken. My one desire was to discover how far
the Pere had receded from Rome and how far he had
advanced toward the position taken by Protestant
sense OF protesting against reigning abuses and
that he Is still member of the Catholic Church,
with the word Roman" erased, Is sufficiently evil
dent. That his position many vital points differs
the Church of Rome. tine only difference being that
while circumstances have compelled him pro-
claim his convictions and have called down the
anathcmas OF Rome they. though holding essen-
their seclueon is also evident In point of fact, he
would not have far to 90 theologcay II he were to
determine to return to his old allegiance. His
church service. though plain and simple when
throughout q Catholic service. He has been
received with open arms by the Lambeth
Convention. which passed resolutions OF great good
WILL and even invited him to enter the English
Church. But It seems to me that. beyond and above
the fact that France has AZ good right to have
church of it's own England has, he could not
tor the English Church because he could not accept
of its doctrines. rather because he believes
30 much more than 1t does that he is more closely
allied to the Church of Rome than to any other He
has undoubtedly great work to do In France and
bright and glorious future before him.