The New York herald., 1879-09-29
Interesting Interview with the Con-
queror Of Darfour.
HOW THE SOUDAN WAS ANNEXED.
Probable War Between Egypt
and Abyssinia.
CAIRO, Sept. 8, 1879.

MASTER the late Sultan faithfully ever Othelo
served the Venetian Republic. In 1874 the ambitious
soldier demanded the favorite daughter OF the Sultan
as one of his brides. This favor was denied him,
and stung to the quick by the supposed
insult Zobir collected army OF 10000 men,
defeated the Sultans army; beheaded the sultan
together with the members Of his family and per-
sona followers and made himself the absolute ruler
of'the land. Revolts sprang up against tine
new ruler. and Egyptian force was also at his
frontier. Zobir at once took the bold step of
making Q present Of the entire Darfour to the
Khedive Of Egypt. This splendid present
copied, and Zobir was at once made Egyptian
Pacha of the highest rank and constituted Governor
General Of Darfour. Unfortunately for Zobir the
great srongholds Of the slave trade in his do
minions and Zobir under obligations to many of
the principal slave dealers. Gordon Pacha had
At this time destroyed the slave stations
about the equatorial lakes and had returned to
Cairo and told Ismail Pacha that he could not &C
complish his work unless he were intrusted with
unlimited power the entire slave trading coun-
try. The Darfour was then placed under Gordon
Pscha. who. upon his arrival there. sent Zobr
Pscha on mission to Cairo to bear the golden bed
Of the late Sultan to the Khedive.
THE ANNEXATION OF DARFouR.
Zobir. after the performance of his mission. was
placed in . vacant palace and although surrounded
with every luxury kept prisoner in Cairo.
The result was that by means OF intrigue in Con-
stantinople, Abyssinia and Central Africa he sue
ceeded in raising rebellion in the BahrelCazal and
Darfour. which has only been put down with great
loss Of life and money by Gordon's lieutenant.
Gessi. Large districts however. formerly fertile
aud cultivated reduced to waste:
villages have been razed to the ground. the better
part Of the inhabitants killed driven away and.
w6ree than ALL Abyssinia is again in arms and de-
mands back the port Of Massowa The soudan
nusnces also in condition tnan those Of
Egypt proper. The receipts for the current year
were estimated at 81 Thus far only 5000 900
hsve been collected. and. with every possible cxer-
tion not $4,000 be got in before the
erId OF the year. Ths expenses. on the other hand
hdve reached the unusual sum of $3.OOO00O. This
leaves deficit Of 200 900, which, added to last
years deficit Of 900. caused by part of the e
penses of the late Abyssinian war being put
upon the Soudan budget. leaves indebted
to Egypt Of s2.70o.OO0-s sum equal
tothe entire receipts Of the soudan for one year.
Zobir Pacha IL believed to be at the bottom Of all
those misfortunes. and Gessi found on his son.
Suleiman Beg's. body documents which fatally COM
promise zobir. not only with having caused the
bellion just put down. but also with the present
waslike demands and throats Of Abyssinia. and .
paper was found dividing the whole of the soudan
into psshalics. to be given to Zobir's numerous
friends. Zobir 10 now imprisoned in his palace at
Cairo and is to be tried by court martial for high
treason. year or two ago. undcr similar circum-
stances. he would have been sent on pleasure trip
up the Nile. as was done with the Monfetish. and
nothing would ever have been heard of him after
ward. except perhaps. an official bulletin announc-
ing that he had committed suicide.
INTERVIEW WITH zoBIR PAcHA.
called upon Zobir Pacha this morning and sue
ceeded in having long talk with him. After tho
usual waiting for half IN hour in anteroom
was usherod into the presence of TALL wiry person
age who although Jet black in color has Of the
features OF negro. His lips thin and firmly
closed over the mouth his nose and deli
cately formed his hands and feet small and well
shaped and but for his color he would be considered
. remarkably hne specimen of the Caucasian type.
Such is the of the who unless
sentenced to death. will undoubtedly play impor-
tant role Egypt and Central Africa. As Zobir Pacha
speaks no European language our conversation
necessarily in Arabic at told the Pacha that
I had not come to see him officially. but simply to
pay my personal respects to him and hear whatever
he might have to say about the soudan, and added
that whatever he said would be published and read
by many millions of people in America.
The reply was, "why don't You go to Gordon
to what he says we Arabs do to the words Of our
Prophet"
l answered, "Gordon Pacha has washed his hands
OF tho whole business and after his return from
Abyssinia in two months will leave for his own
country"
'But when the great war comes with Abyssinia
Gordon Pacha cannot go away to his country for he
Is grost warrior and would not like to be absent
from the hght'
FIGHT IMMINENT.
do you think there will be war between Egypt
and Abyssinia?"
II call Allah to witness that am sure Of It; and
Il will come sooner than is expected. King John
has reduced to obedience his two vassal Kings
that by order of the Sultan at Constantinople the
Egyptian army is reduced to $4,000 men. The King
knows also that Gordon pacha has left Cmro with
papers from England and France forbidding Abys-
sinia to make with Egypt. But will not England
and France also prevent Egypt from going to
with Abyssinia? Munzinger Pacha stole for Egypt
the country OF the Bogos. King John then took back
by force part of this territory. Ismail Pacha then
sent three expeditions against Abyssinia--the first
commanded by Munzingor Pacha aud consisting of
2.OoO mon was annhiatcd ~ King John and Mum
ringer himself killed. The second. consisting OF
l.s0O mon, shared like fate, and it's commander.
Colonel Arcndrup. was killed. together with Count
zichy and AraKei Boy, the son-in-law Of Nubar
Pacha. The third expedition, consisting Of over
10000 men. magnihccntly equipped and pro-
vidcd with large European and American staff
was also defeated and driven from the land. Soon
after the defeat of this third Egyptian army
Menalek. King Of thc Shoa country, broke out into
revolt in tho south ani aided by King
wold-Mkail In tho north. King John hastened
TO put down these formidable revolts. and in the
meantime the Egyptians stole back again the Bogos
country. But now Menaiek and wold-Mikan are
friends with King John and have taken wives
from his family; and mark we'll my words. King
John will get back the Dogos country 10 fertile dis
trict the north and northwest frontiers Abyss