The true northerner. [volume] (Paw Paw, Mich.) 1855-1920, 1879-06-20

understand conscientious scruples.
A. l am q minister. Laughter.
Q. In Gods name, of what church?
A. OF all the colored churches. l am
a Universalist. Laughter.
q. Do you believe in hell?
A. do, but have modified my senti-
mepts so far as that is concerned. /
have reserved rights. 1t is scriptural to
not let the lett hand know what the
right hand does.
O. You formerly taught religious
ideas, but now have gone into swear
ing?
A. Bulldozers have chased all that
away. I have certain reserved rights on
general principles.
q. You reserve the right to lie and
to suppress the truth. 1 want to know
whether that is SO?
A. No.
Q. What has become of your reserved
rights?
A. The moral atmosphere of Wash
ington has purified my ideas. Laugh
ter.
Q. Like the chameleon, You change
your hue and make your character
partake of the morals of the place.
You will not lie in Washington, but
have an unreserved right to do SO in
New Orleans.
A. think I will go back a reformed
man. Laughter.
Q. A perfect reformation in moral
atmosphere, and you will never swear
to another lie?
A. Not lie.
O. You say in your affidavit, Il took
Thomas seat and cast his vote for Kel
logg." Is that true? You know it is q
lie.
A. Yes.
@. And you swore to it as lie,
A. thought it right thus to accom-
plish my object.
9. And that was money?
A. have as much right to swear to
lie for money as Democrat has to burn
my house. can show by the laws of
Louisiana it is not penal offense to
swear to lie.
Q. You are also lawyer as well as
preacher. Do you, as a man, believe in
hell and the penitentiary?
A. 1 think it right to do as l did;
nay, as taught by Louisiana jurispru-
dence.
Q. You, in your affidavit, swore to
lie?
A. That was optional.
@. You made it for an agreement of
money? What induced you to swear
the other way?
A. The sting of conscience. Laugh
ter I had been laboring under moral
turpitude, and since then my conscience
has been aroused.
Q. How often do you have moral tur
pitude? Once a month? Laughter
A. Only that once.
q. You haven't it now? The moral
atmosphere has cleaned it all out?
A. Yes.
In further response witness said he
was exercising the right of an Ameri
can citizen to lie as he pleased.
q. You are exercising that right here
to-day?
A. No; I am not permitted to exer-
else this right by Democrats in Louisi-
ana.
O. You reserve the right to lie?
A. No; the telling of the truth as I
understand it. / have no intention to
lie about dead men.
The next witness was an ignorant
black man named Robert b. Johnson,
who was q member of the Packard Leg
islature.
81 nebber," he said, "got no money
fur votin' for Kellogg. If dat man dar
(pointing to Tom Murray says did, de
penitentiary is the bes' place TO him.
/ nebber showed no money, nor nebber
tole no man got de money fur votin'
fur kellogg. Don't know of nobody. 1
don't want to treat dis committee with
contempt. got a family to support. L
made mo- by work den does by comm
fore dis commute g. l doesn't loaf Ike
Murray; dat niger should be sent to
the penitentiary. What Tom Murray
says is blank lie. know nothin'
about it. De scoundrel ought to be
strung mp by the neck. Use only slightly
'ousint.d with Murr'y. Ise better man
and lives mo- '.pectable; the idea of
Murray sayin' dat he'll repentl"
The witness was very much ex-
cited.
The Chairman-Never mind Tom
Murray. Answer the questions Of
counsel.
The Witness treat the committee
wild all de 'spect in the world, but when
a man like Tom Murray testify such
tings as dat lis nuf to make me mad.
q. Have you had conversation with
Murray since you came here?
A. Looking scornfully at Tom Muir
ray)-Yes, de low pup. 1 ask him what
he said bout my receiving money to
vote for Kellogg. He said you boys is
lean, and if Kellogg don't ten to you
drop him, and I'll get you ali the money
you want.
O. You have once or twice risen from
your seat, and seemed anxious to jump
over the table at Murray.
A. You put him on de green, and I'll
show him. Witness looked angrily at
Murray, on the other side of the table,
placed himself in al attitude of attack
and shook his head detiantly.