The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1879-04-16
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THE TRIAL OF DIR. TALMAGE.
THE TESTIMONY or THE REV. CHARLES
WOOD AND MIR. CORWIM.
Mr. Wood Tells Of Conversation In which he
says Mr.. Crosby Called Dr. Taimaee ~ Liar
and - ScoundreI-Tho Presbyters Excited.

Says Mr.. Crosby Called Dr. Taimage % Liar
and - scoundreI-rhe Presbyters Excited.
The Prcsbyters came into Dr. TalmaRe's
trial In n bunch Yesterday at 3 p. NJ. and began
nt once to hear the defence OF the Tabernacle
pastor to tho charges OF fnsehood and deceit.
DIR. Van Dyke. who up to Monday had not
missed single session. was absent again. owing
to severe attack Of influenza. Tho first wit
ness FOR the defence was the Row Charles Wood.
a member OF the Presbytery. He testified: "On
Aug. g. 1873. / met the Rev. Mr. Crosby I'm n
Hudson River train. on the way to this city. and
in our conversation he said to me that DIR. Tai
mage was disgrace to the ministry and that
he either was or that Mr., Crosby believed him
to be liar and s2oundrol."
Mr. Crosby began 81. .se Cross examination by
asking Mr.. Wood whether he was sure he (Mr.
Crosby used tho words " liar and scoundrel"
AS near as l can recollect" replied Mr..
Wood. / am az certain OF tho words as can
be OF ANYTHING. They were impressed upon my
mind because had hoard you use such Lam
Ruago with reference 10 other good men.
mean tho elders Of tho First Presbyterian
Church. You said that you wouldn't believe
them on their OATH That was impressed on my
mind because told you you were rash, and IL
was with some difficulty could stop YOU"
Q.-Do you mean that used those wordsi
Al do most assuredly do go. am on my oath.
There were several OF the elders in the room.
and the discussion was relative TO the leaving of
DIR. Seaver from that church.
Odd you reprove me for what you say I
said about DIR. Tamage? Al expressed NV
disapprobation Mt tho time. and 1 said YOU
ought to be very certain before you made such
remarks about a minister didn't approve of
your statements. for know Dr. TalmaRe too
well for that I have said 10 you substantially
ho1 pAN oarI
CHRISTIAN character said had not heard.
Odd you not express by your tone and
eharacterP A-No Sir. believe that YOU 1S'aa are
! dChristian man. but think you have been in.
spoken to Dr. Va Van DYKE & Dr. Gae ping and hw
Wells about what you have said. also spoke
10 you IN my parlor about your cal ling DIR. Tai.
harsh language about the elders. | spoke to the
elders at the time about H. / remember thai
you denounced the treatment Of DIR. Seaver as
mean ana outrageous. rcmomber those words
because | put them down in my note book I
am in the habit OF doing that.
.,Q.-Haye you not spoken unfavorably Of DR..
methods. and have told him so. / may have
thM point but 1t Is sound on the rest | have
Dr. Butlcr-why did you make notes OF whM
he saldf Al make them for the same reason
That l copy letters sometimes when l think
thermore DR.. Talmage is a personal friend Of
nine | made up my mind 70 speak to him
NhuA utiltu, anu 1 ulN tell MIN tnW
! had heard him called n liar and Il scounlrel.
reported Mr.. Croshy's remarks 20 the elders
with u view u have them speak 10 him at onco,
:. Mr: CROSBY. said 10 the witness as no quilted
the stand: That's all. sir. until go on the
stand" The audiences had qpplauded tho testi-
mopy;, and there was much excitement Mr..
Mel the blind preacher. said that he
would be constrained for, conscience sake to
was repeated once more he would have his mo-
ton ton 70 sit Tth h closed doors pu and he though,
audience to withhold all APPRECIATION The
Rev P. l.; Foote said that they were all humiI.
lated by tho scene. Itmust stop.
Mr; Is; X. Corwn was the next witness He
testified as TO the interview in his lthe wit
aSd S5 2%sa aSgf9 n by Rsr:E R TaT S M hd a%S psSs
al a. tnat time was greatly embarrassed,
ao nSf bo 'ssrs stoppeS ns NO sur that i would
that hS could not carry on the paper any longer
!hap sn;5 =, FesTuaGy r Then i was that Dr. famaGe
now. and relieve us from further Uncertainty
VIII serve you year for nothing That was all
paper Or. Tamnge asked Mr. Hallock whstheg
he could get out on his own type within a week
Of the Christian al Work. There was ~ no int"n
uon to cope with that paper, and rival
ased was wa the not soD5aSs %HPf % tha
Work, We both had had enough Of papers.
and rs not likely we, wanted another
stopping. said / could supply T the the names al "d and
addresses Of all the subscrlbers TO whom tho
relative to the proposal tnat il would not be-
legal even II IL was according TO Gospel am
sure he did not say that Tor il would have been
an insult to my pastor. and the man who made
II would not have waited long for an exit from
my house. Mr. Hallock said distinctly that he
could accept the proposal There was not
word said by Dr. Ialmage about 500 subscribers
remaining with Mr. Remington"
lsVSs;in, V;GiDi,d you advise Win nri Talmage about
Tor told him that II he stayed there any longer
ne would be disgraced by the uncertain manage
ment OF the paper
Mr.. C9rwn was cross; examined by Mr.. Cros-
by in relation 10 his subscribing $500 for CAPT.
Latham and $1,000 for John II. Cassidy whom
M Mt kimoaii was trying to raise the debt OF the
oQ.-pid the trustees OF tho Tabernacle
Church ever consider the subject Of in;
Of Trustees secured policies OF insurance on the
lille OF Dr. Talmage in 1874 or 1878. There were
two policies OF t2OOOO each. and they were ia
secured the policies in tho Now York Life In
surance and in the Equitable Life Insurance
Companies don't do business for fun 80 got
commissions on the policies. as | do on all my
business. gave no one the impression that
intended not tu take them.
Q,-How much did YOU receiver A.-That is
my business; not yours. might have told you
that sooner. hope the counsel will conilne
his questions To the business in hand, and not
10 into my private business.
, MIR. Crosby said that no asked the questions
because he expected to Introduce witnesses to
lmpeuch the witnoSs, ana their testimony would
De 10 cohtrhdict the witness on the points 10
which tho witness WAS testlyinR.
DR.. Spear raised tho point that tho prosecu-
ton wns limited 10 the list OF witnesses already
served on Dr; ,Iaimqge. and that no witness
could he callod in tho impeachment Of witnesses
offered by defence. This led To- an animated dis
cusslon. motion by DR.. Butler to discuss tho
SUBJECT with closed doors this afternoon WINS
lost, and. pending debate on Dr. Spears
motion, thnt no other witnesses bo nHduced
against tho defendant than those included in
reached, DR.. McIelAnd. in the closing prayer.
asked thnt the Prrsbytrry might como to