Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1879-12-09
MUCH HEAP TALK.

MUCH HEAP TALK.
Interesting and Exciting Confab Between
the Commissioners and tho Noble Red
Men-Glarlng at Each Other With Weap-
ons Ready for Use Chief ouray Says
the Guilty Warriors Must be Tried at
Washington. ~
LAKE CRY, Dec. 8.-The answer to the de-
mand of the commissioners is just delivered by
Ouray. 1--WE will deliver for treaty, Douglas
and those Indians engaged in the massacre of
Meeker and employees provided they are tried
in Washington. The people of Colorado are
not friendly, and . fair trial here or in New
Mexico is not to be expected. Runners have
just started, by order of Ouray, to bring in
the Indians called for by the commission
THE FINAL SURRENDER.
DENVER, Col. Dec. 8.-speoials to the Denver
Tribune from Los Pinos, dated the 9Th, rep
resent that Saturday witnessed some decidedly
animated occurrences at the commissioners
meeting. After Jack had declined to inform
tho commissioners what Indians had been con-
cerned in the White River massacre the Indians
retired to Ouray's house to debate VI hat course
to pur.ue: No Indian appeared at the agency
at Ouray's in conducting the widest dances
and In making fiery speeches. A man was
sent from the agency to Ouray's with feed for
the ahorses of tho indians. and discovered
from tho noise on the inside that the Indians
were greatly excited. What he saw of them
were bedecked in feathers and war paint, and
he was so frightened that he turned back and
didn' deliver the hay. Saturday at IL the Utes
came into the agency and took seats inside the
agency building, Jack, Oolorow and twelve
other White River Utes, and of course Ouray,
being among the Indians present. When the
Indians and commissioners had taken their
seats General Hatch addressed the Indians set
ting forth the full demands of the commission
ers. 1t il right to make the demand. To-day,
he said, is your last chance. We will wait
no longer. We want your final
answer. and we want no evasive list of the
part in the massacre. Will you surrender the
mon whose names are on this paper to be tried,
and, if guilty, punished; if innocent, acquit-
ted?
The question was put twice, and, after con.
sultation, evasive answers were returned both
times when the question was put the third
time.
Ouray replied without consulting the other
Utes: "How do we know that these Indians,
you name. were at White River at the time of
tho massacre, or even if they were concerned
in it, these women mentioned names which
came first to their lips, whether they knew
them to be there or not; we can't depend upon
''That is what We depend upon," said Gen.
Hatch.
Mr.. Adams then addressed the Indians,
maklnga speech of over an hours duration,
saying among other things that the commits
sioners did not want to punish Colorow, Jack
and the others that took part in the Thorn
burgh fight, but the oowardly dogs who par
ticipated in the massacre of the unarmed mon
at the agency, closing by saying we want
thOse Utes and we will have them.
The Indians hold a consultation in q low
tone of voice among themselves, but did not
when Gen. Hatch again rose
and asked if tho guilty Indians were
to be surrendered saying he had made last
appeal. No one moved or spoke for few
moments, when Oolorow lighted q big pipe,
the pipe of peace" Each Indian present
drew his knife and laid it on his knees. The
question of peace or war being the one pend
ing, Colorow passed the pipe to the next man,
without smoking, and it went around. When
the circle was finished he jumped to his feet,
Strengthened up to his full height, pulled his
belt around until the knife sheath was
in front, pulled his knife out, threw
it with force on the floor. quivering
dropped his hand to his belt and laid his hand
on his knife or pistol. The whites did the
same, and the two parties stood fronting and
defyinR each for some moments each waiting
for the other to make the forward move. There
were but six white men, whilo there were
twenty-five Indians in the room, and fifteen
soldiers in the adjoining room.
Finally Ouray spoke: We can't deliver up
to you those Indians unless they are
tried in Washington. They must
not be tried in Colorado.
Colorado people are all our enemies, and to
give them up to be tried in this State would
be to surrender them to be hanged. We will
bring those twelve men here for you to see,
and them whom you decide guilty shall be
taken to Washington and the President shall
determine their guilt or innocence. Douglass
River troubles, and you shall decide who else.
Upon this condition, and not otherwise will we
surrender the guilty Indians.
This was said with great arrogance and bold
ness. Ouray said: Take about week to
bring the men in. Mr.. Hatch told him we &C.
cept the proposition so far as bringing the par
ticipants in the massacre in, but far as
taking them to Washington he had to telegraph
for permission to Secretary Schurz.
Colorow and Jack were immediately dis
patched to bring in the twelve named, includ-
ing Douglass and Persune, saying they would
be back in five days after they had taken their
departure.
Ouray again spoke, repeating his statement
that the Utes couldn't get justice in Colorado
(meaning HATCH Adams, and their legal adj
visers), are all my enemies. I am one against
three. You hate me. You are all Colorado or
New Mexico men, and French devil. I have
not one friend among you. You will not give
me justice, and that is why want to 90 to
Washington, where I can have at least one
friend. ....