The New York herald., 1879-02-10
OUR NEXT PRESIDENT.
A ST. Louis Editor Who Believes Grant
VIII Succeed Hayes.
REPUBLICAN PROPHECY.
The Ex-Preeident Necessary
to His Party.
REPUBLICAN PROPHECY,
OTHER CANDIDATES.
Chances Of Sherman, Blaine,
Conkling and Washburne.

Dental preference for Grant in 1880 that corre-
spondent of the HERALD sought an interview to-day
with Mr.. j. B. McCullagh. editor Of the ST. Louis
Globe Democrat tho journal in which tho claims of
General Grant to third nomination have been
urged for moro than o year. Mr.. McCullagh was
found his office. and he readily yielded to the re-
quest of the HERALD's commissioners.
.But first" said Mr.. McCullagh, "let me tell you
little incident relating the first time heard
Grants name mentioned in connection with the
Presidency. 1t in the early spring OF 1868.
Grants army in front OF vicksburg; it had been
there for time. inactive. The North was
grumbling q good deal. Several strong repub-
can papers-notably the Chicago Tribune and
the Cincinnati Commercal-were demanding that
Rosecranz who had recently been successful in
Tennessee be sent down to relieve Grant About
that time a number of prominent gentlemen-friends
Of both Lincoln and Grant-came down to see Grant
and ascertain what his prospects were for taking
vicksburg-in order, as suppose. to report to Lin
coln. do not remember who they were exactly but
Mr. Z. B. Washburne. then Congressman from
Illinois was one of them, and / think General
Oglesby was another. Grants headquarters
on the steamboat Magnolia. at point little
above vicksburg. He and his staff occupied the
ladies' cabin and in the forward cabin number Of
civilians-mostly newspaper correspondents-had
berths. was there correspondent Of the Gin
crnati Commercial. The visitors remained several
days. believe. One evening, as they got ready to
leave for the North, having bid Grant goodby they
stood in group in the forward cabin of the Mag
noia, and one of them--I don't know which-said to
the others, Well, it's all right; Grant will take
vicksburg' Yes said another; and he'll be S.ie
next President of the United States mentioned
this conversation letter the Commercial. but it
was not printed. and afterward told by the
editor and proprietor, Mr.. Potter. not to put any
more of such Jokes into my correspondence. Tho
visitors went back to Washington and made favor
able report: Grant kept in command, and we all
know the rest. This was in the spring of 1883.
GRANTS HoM1sATIos AND ELECTION SURE.
CopsEspoNDESr-But. coming down to the present
time what do you think of Grants chances for 1880.
and why do you think he has any?
Mr.. McCULIAeH-There chances about it.
that is to say, not about the nomination. That is
certainty. modified only by the possibility of Grants
death in the time. think his election ia
tan too.
CoRREsPoNDENT-How do you account for what you
consider the determination Of the republicans to
nominate Grant?
Mr.. MoCULLAGH--By the very palpable fact that
no other be elected. What is called '.the
Grant movement" has its origin in q well
settled conviction that Grant is not only
the strongest in the party, but that
he is the only man whose election rises
mi-spprehenson this subject People say. for in
stance. that the country has done enough FOR Grant
and look upon his proposed nomination in the light
Of additional honor to him. SO il would be-
doubtedy but this Is not tho motive of those who
are most strongly urging him. II the republicans
were sure of eecting any nominee they might put
forward they would not nominate Grant. But the
party is strong enough for that, glance the
late election returns will prove. The party is not
streny enough TO elect it's man, and it must ind
who is strong enough to elect the party This
the true rd'so' Setre OF "the Grant movement"
EFfEcTs OF RECENT SENATORIAL ELECTIONS.
CoHREsposDESr-What Significance do you attach
20 the Senatorial elections in illinois, Wiscon-
sin, Kansas and other States.
Mir. McCULLAeiI-rhese elections show that tho
and against..the machine are being called TO the
front again. Logan was the Grant candidate in ILL.,
no as Ingalls, was in Kansas and Carpenter in wis
consn. Ogesby is Grant man. too. but Grants per-
sona preference was for Logan. 1.-THE machine as
IL called has kept the republican party in power
for eighteen years, and the cry against it largely
made up OF cant aud false sentiment. After two
years of timachine the country is better off
and the republican party is in fair way 10 die of
inanition. The term machine" was first used by
President Hayes, believe. to designate certain
class OF politicians In reality meant only those
who were unwilling TO turn the whole machinery OF
the party oyer to hIm to be by his fsvorites
cording to mis- policy.
sEcarraRY suEnMAs's cH,xcEs-woSE
ConRFsroSDfSr--Wha do you think OF John Sher-
mans chances Tor nomination
Mr. observation-disclosures whatever. Even IL Grant
were out ci the way sherman could not be nominated.
HIS only claim would Dc the success of Don.
and that VIII be on old and forgotten story before the
Donination comes round. The American people
principally erat fnl ior favors TO come; that's why
is entitled 10 tho credit OF bringing about resumption.
Hugh McCuoch paved the way for It and tho
puDlcans IN Congress left nothing for Mr.. Sher-
man to do bat to execute plain law. He
has done that wel but there isn't Pr-si-
dency in IL for him. Shcrmans nomination would
be bitterly opposed. He could not carry the Ohio
delegation to begin with. He has never been popu-
lar with the people OF Ohio, and has never been
elected TO Once popular vote outside of hla
Congressional district. Mr.. Chase made him scua-
tor in the first place. and he twice reelected.
each time by the most vigorous the machine
TO which the administration Is now so strongly OPP
posed. As y nominee Mr. Sherman would lie very
weak. especially in the West. where ne would be do
nounccd BY democrats and by certain class of
be badly beaten in Illinois, for nstancc and think
he would lose Wisconsin, too These are generally
counted republican States but they are, fact.
doubtful Staes--just as much OHIO see tho
Cincinnati Commercial is for sherman and Is print
lug his biography. But the republicans cannot elect
any man this time who has 10 start campaign with
biography.
connEsPosDKsr-How would Elihu d. washburno
do AZ candidate?
wAsuBunxE AND GRANT
Mr. observation-disclosures is good man, and
would be very popular in this section but he would
have ali the faults OF Grants administration 90
answer for without any of Grants personal strength
CoaaEsPosDENT--wha about the story that Grant
would like to bc made Field Marshal and 10 have
Washburne nominated Tor President,
Mr. McCuLLAoH- Grant cannot be made Field
M7rshal and he cannot nominate anybody he chooses
tor President II he were really out of the list him
self his influence In behalf OF anybody else would
amount 10 anything. Congress will not create any
additional military positions In the nature Of PEN
sions; the people do not want IL. SO far as
his past services are concerned, Grant has been
we'll paid as others. II would be unjust 20 hundreds
Of others ~ make special military berth for him.
There ought however, TO be u law providing some de-
cent maintenance tor ex-Presidenss. to save the
country from rcpetitions OF the disgrace attached TO
II by the spectacle OF Mr.. Monroes death in poverty
after had been President for eight years. Monroe
back to Virginia and elected justice of the
peace. He could not make living at this, and he
went TO New York to live on the charity Of hs SON
in-law.
CoanEspoSDKNr--what is Grants financial condi-
Eonf
Mr.. McCurLAsH-I don't know 10 that But
know that he owns fariu near this city WHICH s
not worth much, and that he has written TO friend
within couple of years saying that he would have
to sell IL TO get an income. IL yields nothing now
a.aLi mt l.if nm anll- IL