The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1879-01-08


The invarable custom has been,to advertise the
meetings of the society in or more OF the city
daily papers In the present case the notice was
published only III AN obscure paper, utterly unknown
and unseen by majority OF the members OF the
society showing that there intentional deception
That about the whole of it,.
what will he done II the injunction Is main
tained?' qucriod the reporter.
"a Board OF Sacheuls OF the Tamniany Society,"
answered Mr. Waterbury. Twill be elected. which
Will have the entire confidence of the whole demo-
cratic party In case of majority against Mr. Kelly
the sacheis will whether the committees shall
be appointed by Mr.. Kelly solely or whether the
people shall appoint them at primary elections
What effect VIII all this have upon the demo-
cratic party generality"
III the Democratic General Committee of this city
AMI county be elected by the people," tho
reply lit viii the confidence OF people, aud
that will unite the party.
MAYOR cooPERs COMMENTS.
Mayor Cooper last evening visited by the
HEr,AI.p reporter at his home. ut N9. Lexington
what do you think. Mr. Mayor" the reporter
asked. "of the movement in the Tammany Society
which was publicly disclosed last eveninsY
"Ahl now, said the Mayor. with an expression OF
chldlike perplexity, ''that Is something on which
am not prepared 10 give much OF an opinion. do
not know even that what think about it would be Of
any value to any one 1 y member of the society,"
1t is true but not actively interested in its internal
affairs.
..what is the purpose of the Injunction which was
served on the Grand Sachem and Air. Kelly"
81 suppose it is to prevent u continuance of the
exclusive and secret pohty which has been pursued
so long In the Tammany Hail.
Is it step in the project Of capturing the Tam
democrats who helped to elect you p
II have doubt that such is the intention Of that
party. But lido not believe that they propose to
cure the control OF Ta,nmany merely to use it
political lever in the absolute sense in which 1t has
been used in the past
Then their immediate object is -"
1.-The Board OF Sachems, you know. exercises q
landlords power and for long time Tammany
Society has been open onlyo those who favored
the dominant faction. II those gentlemen succeed
they WILL suppose. give an equal chance OF men,
bcrship to all democrats, and will permit all demo-
cratS to IN IN lie wish 10 10 so
MAKING TIE ORDER NoNPoLITIcAL.
Have you known heretofore OF movement to
gain the control OF Tammany among tho anti-Tam-
Yes. In my understanding OF it its purpose is to
make the society a non-poitical one.
'.Who the chief promoters of the movement 70
II really cannot tell you. l have not sufficiently
followed it,
Are you in any way responsible for it 2"
''In no way whatever"
"Has Mr. Tilden anything to do with it %
nothing to do with it, In fact do think that he
knew OF it beforehand
''Then it Ia not political movement q
"Not political movement"
"Yet it aims at giving the democrats who sup.
ported you the control OF Tainmany Hail.
"Only." repeated Mayor Cooper, $50 as to make it
o non political society,"
The reporter then Withdrew. At Ex-Governor Til
dens residence it was announced that he not at
home. and it gratuitously added by the lackey
who attended the door that he not likely say
anything about Tammany Hall if he were.
INTERVIEW WITH JOHN Y.
In downtown restaurant. where politicians most
L.
TALL gaunt. ANGULAR typical Indian in appearance
who, twenty one years ago. treasurer Of the So
been "a head devil in tie present res rnmpns and with
half dozen Others began 1t just at the close Of the
last campaign, When asked what he thought would
be the effect Of the injunction he said
1.-The effect will be to call tho attention of the
democratic party to the whole plan of organization
and will be an announcement that the mass OF the
people not to be consulted trusted. 1t Will
show that the present rulers OF Tammany Hall need
packed conventions to make it successful. The very
last hpy N ha I,QO-
pie. The plan is studied one to produce results in
opposition to the peoples will
'.But wish to question you more directly" urged
the reporter, "about the society not the political
machine"
"Well. young man., said Mr.. Savage shaking his
finger slowly and solcmniy, thats just the trouble
You can't speak OF one without mentioning the
other; they closely connected. SO interwoven
The city democrats would have broken up this
power as now exercised. long ago. but the country
democracy--or the democracy outside of the city.
rather--have idea that they couldn't get to
their State tickets. The country people, there.
FORE regarded this machine necessity-uecesssry
to democratic success in the State for the reasons
have stated
'But how viii this injunction operate as to. the
at wiz compel the clique that attempts to control
that society to show that these l47 candidates
legally elected in conformity with its laws"
Whats your opinion about the legality of this
the first Monday OF every month-as, for example,
last night we adjourned until February. When
adjourned December last adjourned to meet
last night-every month. you The rules require
that and the publication OF the call in the city papers
and yet Notwithstanding that there secret meet
ing held on New Years Eve at which they pretended
to elect LAT members. by their showing
the Grand Sachem was not there and the secretary
presided From that would infer that the father OF
the council absent and that sachems
present. because the secretary had 10 preside There
were only thirteen present, all told"
suppose, Mr.. Savage they can't show that these
troublesome Ia were legally elected, what theny"
We'll. then these propositions will have to be
or. al n n cQfna m m yYRf4 lYlnf
"How are the factions i'll the society divided? In
there much majority either SIDE in your opinion:
My own judgment is and 1t is shared III Dy
Beg pardon. but who do you mean By our
pcopleY'
ONE DEMOCRATS.
Democrats, young man, and the hand went up
and the finger began to wag threatcningy again;
democrats who believe in fairly elcctng their lead.
and who don't believe in Observation-Disclosures
who can't understand that their party is made up Of
bricks and mortar only"
Having learned who 'our people meant the re.
porter repeated his question aud the independent
IL believe the mass is opposed to Mr. Kelly's fur
Their rule for this reason: notwithstanding he
and his friends have controlled the society for the
past eight years and through IL the socalled regular
organization OF our party in this county, they find
il necessary to secretly call meeting Of thirteen
only and in AN Illegal way attempt to make LAT
new members to uphold aud strengthen them No
fair minded man should ask better indication the
sentiment Of the society than the clique has given by
its recent action"
well. what makes you think that Mr. Kelly has
had to do this-what do you think has brought about
this alleged irregular mcetiIgy'
Through his Committee Discipline Mr.. Kelly
has read out OF the organization friends than
he has been able to have initiated in the society.
This ostracised class thus read out composed
such Edward Cooper who not long since was
q sachem I; Abram y. Hewitt trusted democratic
representative in Congress: Colonel John X. Fellows.
who the most speaker in the campaign,
aud scores OF other representative democrats. Natu
rally enough these men oppose the present rule,
pcciay when in their places have been substituted
men unknown to the party"
MR. KIEII.Y's REGUI.aRi1Y CRITICISED
Prom the caracstncss of your remarks you seem
at enmity with MIR. Kelly u
s'Not ut all. sr-no; at all. Personally have no
quarrel with Mr. Kelly. and find among people
who has any personal feelings against him.
He l. simply regarded incompetent leader, and
the last election should show how we'll founded Is that
opinion. Mr.. Kelly has not always been what he now
regards o regular democrat for when Boole was the
Tammany Hall candidate for Mayor Mr.. Kelly was
the chief and best stump speaker of the antiram-
many party. And 10 IL not great while ago that be