The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1879-04-24
THE TRIAL OF DIR. TALMAGE.
SOME SHARP WORDS AND AN APPEAL
TO MODERATOR LUDLOW


The Tabernacle Pastor becomes Restless,
Often Declines to Answer, ana Demands
n speedy Ending Of his Examination.
The Brooklyn Presbytcry met to con-
tinue the Talmage trial yesterday afternoon in
the old South Presbyterian Church at Clinton
and Amity streets. BROOKLYN which is now
used by the Brooklyn Lay College, Of which DIR.
Talmage was formerly President. The church
Is celebrated in Brooklyn for the fact that in the
war when there WIS n political controversy
between Dr. Spear. then its pastor. and DR.. Van
Dyke. the former ran up the Stars and Stripes
10 the top Of its stecple. The cross-examina-
ton OF DR., Talmage was resumed by the Rev.
Arthur Crosby. who had the questions written
out DIR. Talmage was for a time apparently
indifferent to the purport OF the questions. and
for the most part Of the time he gave the stereo-
typed answer. Il don't remember" At length
he aroused himself and said:
MIR. Moderator. / frequently make the
answer | do not remember l do so because
/ don't remember. and not through any wish to
dodge the questions that are put to- me. The
style of life have been living ~ so busy that II
is impossible for me To Keep in mind tue details
OF events that are 50 old now. want this court
90 understand that when say don't remem-
Mr.. Crosby frequently asked about the testi-
mOny that DR.. TulmAge hud tried 10 purchase
the Christian at Work from Mr.. Hallock and at
length DR.. Talnage said: q" ! have given n re-
ply to that 50 often that II you don't understand
II now. YOU never will"
Mr.. Crosby made an avcrment rs to what DR..
Talmage's testimony was. DR.; Talmage said.
suddenly That's case of deceit and false
hood on YOUR own part
Mr.. Croshy-Thnls my understanding.
Or. Talmage-Then you should increase your
understanding.
Odd you not intend to give Mr. Remington
the impression that you would like to have
MIR. Hallock buythe paper2 OIL can't remem-
Q.-Can't you remember what impression you
Intended to convey
DR.. Talmage-Mr. Moderator. wish you
would stop this nugging.
Mr.. Croshy-l have no disposition to nag the
witness. III he don't answer. OF course can't
DR., Talmage then turned his back upon Mr..
Crosby. and. in sleepy tone. answered long
don't recall now; don't reme@ Dsg''" When
Mr.. Crosby put long question. he said that 1t
WIS so long that he couldn't keep 1t all in his
mind. When the question was repeated he
made the same answer. and Mr. Crosby i'm
patiently said. IN afraid. sir. that you are not
DIN the close Of your valedictory you say:
The world never looked so bright, or heaven
80 glorious. ms this afternoon" Did the sale OF
the paper make you feel that wayG A.-The
prospect OF getting out OF purgatory.
Q.-How were you going to get out OF purRa-
toryI A.-By getting out Of the Christian al
Q.-Then the Christian at Work was purga-
Ono. you say it. A.-You say It. don't.
Q.-You said that on the Monday you lett the
paper YOU felt oppressed and bounded Al
said was bounded. rs l am now. lLaughter.l
Q-Who did you think were bounding you.
md how were you being bounded then A
The same shirt was shown then as has been
shown on this trial. The animus that will
bring witness several hundred miles without
compulsion. and have him hang around this
court room day after day TO testify against me
TINT was the spirit that followed me.
Mr.. Crosby-This is aivery disgraceful scene.
Dr. Talmage-Iou are committing the dis
grace. | am not.
After some other questions had been asked.
DIR. TRlmage announced that his wife was Sc
riously III from the nervous strain TO which She
had been subjected in the course Of the trial.
and he wished his examination TO close at that
session. MS he did not know at what time he
would be called 10 70 out OF the city with her
Mr.. Crosby ran over a long list of questions
previously prepared relative TO the specification
involving the charge Of deceit in connection
with the Encouragement Of Organist George W.
Morgan. DR.. Talmage said that the questions
had design 20 revive OLD quarrels. now settled
swer them. He was then asked about his trans
aetions win his ,nepheys IN regard 70 the
church debt. and he said: Now. Mr. ModeT
ator. protest against this attempt 10 set blood
against blood. wont answer any questions that
are proposed to set mo in any antagonism with
my neuhews have no antagonism."
Mr.. Crosoy-Uniortunatrly. these questions
are founded upon what your own nephews told
Moderator Ludlow-That's not in the proof.
DR.. Talmage said that he considered. for many
reasons. that Mr.. l.. Remington was his enemy
He said: =" His gathering up Of my letters writ
ton In the interest OF the paper and hringi ng
them here shows his enmity. Then his hanging
around here shows an amount OF yirulence
which l never had in my heart against any
man."
Mr.. Crosby quilted the Preshytery to meet an
engagement, leaving the examination Of
Mr. Ialmage in the hands Of Mr. McCulagh
DIR. Van Dyke was also absent Dr. Talmage
refused TO answer a question relat i've 10 what he
had said TO Mr.. Hathaway about DR.. Van Dyke,
saving il would b. a breach Of their covenant.
DIR. Tamage said, however: Al moment
when was under the impression that would
not have a chance 10 present rehuttal testimony
made some vehement remarks in reference to
Mr.. Hathaway's testimony which / desire now
TO recall"
Several Brethron-Im glad to hear DR.. Tai
mage say that.
DR.. McCleland wished to ask DIR. Tamage IL
he believed that what he said against Mr.. Hath
away was true NJ the time Dr. Talmage de-
clined 70 answer that.
,Q.-Did YOU make the statement to DR.. Van
Dyke relative 20 Nr. Hathaway which he under
stood you To myke Abr. Van Dyke is mis-
taken in regHr'i to that.
Several brethren were anxious 10 know
whether DR.. Talmage had really said to Mr..
Hathaway that DR.. VAN Dyke was a notorious
liar, and that he Or. Talmugel did not want 10
see hin until Judgment day. DR.. Tamage re-
fused to testify about that and then he was
asked whether II he did say II. he was now
sorry for IL. He said aughingly: don't re-
member to have said il, but | hive no doubt
That l wis sharply critical Of the Augustin'
letter; But If / said il. withdraw il. II II is
POSSIBLE for q man &C. withdraw what he don't
remember 10 have said"
DR.. Talnuge WAS then dismissed as n witness
and the trial WIS adjourned until L. VI. to-day.