The Worthington advance. [volume] (Worthington, Minn.) 1874-1908, 1879-06-12
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Louisiana Politics.

.~. Louisiana Politics.
WAsH1NoroN, juno 9.-The committee ON
privileges and elections to-day resumed the in.
vestigation of the Kellogg.Spofford CASE and re-
called Thomas Murray, colored. g.
By Mr. Merrick: G.. On Saturday you stat.
Cd that you had not been promised money, but
you told De Lacy that you could make e2,50OO
forgot to ask You how you were going to
make money. A. BY coming here to tell the
truth and make reputation with my people.
It. would be worth $2,500 to have the good
people of my community with me.
z. Your people have bad reputation and
you wanted to build up = good reputation for
yourself? A. Yea.
By Mr.. Schellabarger. How did. you get
$2'5o0; you thought your reputation was worth
$4,000: A. No; thought I could make
1000 out of it. -. ~'.i
| the signature to his affidavit, and the commit
tee compared the signature to the affidavit with
the name writer on = separate piece Of paper
Saturday, but conclusions differed. Mr.. Hex-
| rick then offered in evidence De lacy's affida-
Wit to abide the disposition of other affidavits.
LUG scI SctAAt"otr8ttnS 1epOIteU el80L Witnesses
| on each side had been subpoenaed. The chair
man suggested tho examination be limited to
that number. IA it might be considered proper
| to sen u subcommittee to New Orleans to ex-
! anime witnesses in order to save expense.
JULES sEvE1aNEs,
member of the Packard legislature in 1877,
and present in the joint convention that elect
ed Kellogg to the Senate. was examined. Mr..
Merrick exhibited the affidavit of tho witness
who, he said, made it, and it bore his signature,
An affidavit was read stating that the witness
1877. when Kellogg was elected for the long
term, bat voted for him the next day,
by MIR. Mtrrick-Is that true? A. 1t il not
true.
@. Tell US who lied. A. The very parties
who induced me to make the affidavit knew it
to be a lie.
Merrick-I insist OIL knowing the name A..
1 can't tell.
By MIR. Herman Of the committee
ought to answer the question. A. can't an
swer because it would implicate other parties
not interested.
Mr. Kernan-We can't help that.
Mr. Schaliabarger suggested that the witness
be told the consequences of not answering.
The witness said that Cavanac was posted ON
the subject.
Mr.. kernan-As it is not secret you must
answer. = -:
AAo WAoAVoS phSA 60tC SAc u6mE VI AlOu6ttC.
Mr.. Merrick-We want all the names of
those who induced you to swear to what they
knew was lie. A. There was another party
and am sorry gave his name.
Mr. Mcsrick-And you refuse to name the
others.
Mr.. Kernan-Did you say they knew it wa,
falsehood when you made the affidavit2 A..
They knew it to be false
q. Who were they? A. That's what de-
cline to answer.
Q. What reason can you give for not letting
the world know who those men are? The wit
ness, after hesitating, said: Cavanac is an
other.
MIR. Kernan-Who else? A. Others wanted
me to swear to lies; they did not induce me;
Thomas Murray and J. W. Elder were among
them.
In reply to MIR. Hill the witness said: Cav
auac was present; when he wrote the affidavit
nobody offered to write it; he wrote it by him
self.
q, What we're the inducements made to YOU
previous to writing the affidavit? A. Cavanac
said should have everything wanted, as Kel-
!ogg was to be put out of the Senate anyhow.
Murray said there was sugar in it, but did not
ask me TO swear falsely.
A. Drouctte tola me to stand by my affidavit
=: How was it known that You had made An
affidavit? A. 1t WIS the talk for two months
Drouette said my testimony was more impor-
tant for Spofford than the testimony of the
others.
@. You made the affidavit to Get sugar, A.
No, but to ascertain how all affidavits were
manufactured. l did not believe what thew
said
Q. You made the affidavit voluntarily. A.
Yes. of my own motion made three affidavits.
(Laughter).
Q. Do you not think it was immoral to
swear to lie? A. That depends on the cir
cumstances. It Is not when men want to bring
about how atfidavits are obtained.
The witness in reply to Senator Bailey said
he had held position in the New Orleans Gus
tom house, but resigned as aoon as he became
witness; that ho made the affidavit for the
benefit of the public, to expose fraud. Murray
said he wanted witness to 70 to Cavanac to
testify in behalf of Sp0fford that he (witness)
was not present on the day Kellogg was gen.
orally voted for. 1t was not q lie, the witness
| sa!d' because he told it purposely to show how
things were done.
Merrick then cross-examined witness, who
said he made a second affidavit for Elder, who
! said he would not pay anything. He told
| Cavanac he was not present at the election of
Kellogg, but was locked up in = room.
O. That was lie' blunt, straightforward
Q. Was what you did superinduced- by the
love of justice, truth patriotism sugar. A.
l never was bribed, and the parties themselves
know it, because they had again and again
offered me bribes and refused them.
state. ~ '' p"''''' a. 'e'''"e 10
senator Hill-You must answer A. MIR.
Drouette told me that if recorded nv vote
for Spofford I could get what wanted in
money. l answered that could not. Will
you not, he asked, do it a. a favor for me- I
replied no, l cannot because it would not be
consistent to vote for two men for the same
| Office. This was in the Nichols legislature.
Senator Kellogg interrupted witness, who
said he was "a years old, q white man and was
| descended from an old French family. He
called at the Senator's room on his arrival at
Washington. Merely shook hands with him
| and did not remain ten minutes. The Senator
did not talk about the. case and said to witness
l doubt whether you should have come
here now, but after you testify
I should be glad to see you. The witness said
| ho saw Elder for the first time in New Orleans
on the I'd of May. Elder said he was from
Washington, getting up testimony for Spofford.
| Elder had room in the custom house: The
first of the three afidavits was given to Elder
| because Elder had not previously believed wit
ness was for Spofford. By this means witness
| was posted IA to how the parties were making
| up affidavits. Elder told him Cavanac was get
ting up affidavlts for 8pofford to show there
was NO quorum in the Packard legislature that
elected Kellogg. Elder said he wanted only
five to break q quorum, and there was the plan,
and further, if they could succeed in breaking
the quorum Kellogg would be unseated before
this session WAS over. Murray said
that by testifyiug for Spoford they could get
all they wanted. Cavanac said that Spofford
when seated would divide his salary among
those who stuck to him. ILaughter. Cava-
mac wanted an affidavit similar to the one wit
ness gave Elder. The witness gave the names
of four men with whom to break the quorum,
including Murray and himself.
U. Was there not another man? A. Yes,
but they did not have 30 much confidence in
him. Laughter. They were depending on
the fact that Thomas was not there. Watson
was to personate Thomas. The witness did not
know whether or not Thomas was present at
the joint session of the legislature, but thought
| he was.
Q. Did you know of others who made affi-
davits similar to your.7 A It is said one was
made by Brooks, but Brooks was present at the
joint session. cannet remember seeing him