The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1879-02-07
OF your question. Idont know that it is neces.
sary for you 70 pqss Judgment that Is what
your language implies.

Mr. TILDEN NEVER SAW THE CIPHER.
After n discussion ps TO the form Of question
Col; Pelt9n continued | didn't show him any
cipher kilograms at all. showed him those on
general matters. He never saw the cipher him,
sell these general matters were communicated
Q.-Mr. Tildon was Interested in the result Of
this count. was bo not. and was DESTROYS oil
knowing everything OF interest, and was in
curing about things A;-Certainly,
Q.-Inquiring about what news there was,
aud wanting TO 500 kilograms about things2
| Ale didn't want to sec them. II would have
taken al his time to read them, -,,.
Odd he ask. IA n matter OF fact questions
| about tho telcgrams2 A.-As matter Of Tact
bo saw some. Sometimes he called for thcm.
sometim they were shown to him.
| Ole never happened TO call for any OF
these wicked oncs7 Ale didn't know OF the
existence Of them. He couldn't call for them.
.Q,-At tho time. you happened TO receive one
OF these wicked dispatches he never Inquired,
for instance what IL the latest from Marble
| certainly was informed from time to time
OF dispatches that cHno from Marble about the
general political situation. but he didn't see any
| OF these kilograms Of this description.
| Odd he ever use this expression or equiv.
from Marble !" G1oh. yc t';1 / have no doubt
| he did.
Lrry Ha,,s,evs, IS IV.a s,r.nfee,d s,,E No lo,l'
you less London Thames will. W.
YOU Sspo s eGSr do sq BE a s @ Mist BE-
| prompt TnoHAs.
Did you receive despatch OF that character
Indicated by that translaton1 Ayes, sir;
Odd YOU show it to your unclo2 A.-No.
sir.
o.-where did you roceivo in Al have no
means OF answering that; perhaps at the Ever
Q.-Was not this quite evident that there was
an intention TO have State bought that timer
Q.-Ycu had never been in the business OF
buying States before? Al have never done
Q.-You have received an offer to buy State 2
| Al suppose 1t was.
Odd not n fact like that make any imprce-
sion upon you when you got this astonishing
news2 Alt mado an impression upon my
Q.-wherc did you get this astonishing. news
that State was for sale Al suppose may
Q.-Dont you rocollect where you received
thAtY Al do not remember.
| Q.-lou kept II entirely In your own posses
stOn-ncvcr communicated II To anybody A.
Yes. sir but afterward-not at the time. After
ward they knew about II. Of course.
O." At the time" when tho negotiations were
going on A.-That is what mean by that l
did not tell II then.
THE CONVERSATION WITH EDWARD COOPER
Q-wherc did you have conversation with
Edward Cooper prior TO starting for Baltimore
A.-At Gov. Tildens house.
Q.-You explained the proposition OF your
vislt to him2 Ayes. sir; in general terms.
Q.-what elise Of the conversation do you
recollectY Al think that was all that there
was OF it,, did not put 1t in shape. ! did not
| give the detail. | made q statement To him in q
general way that | might want money. dc
not remember what he did say. The CONVERSE
Ole said something 10 satisfy you at tho
time. did he not Al was satisfied. OF course
O.-You were satisfied that no might pay II
Al could not tell II would depend altogether
upon the circumstances.
Q.-Giye us what there was in his reply thai
gave you TINT Impression Al do not re
member anything about II; he did so;
Q.-You did not take il for granted thnt Ed
without some words indicating 1T your A.
did not ask him To give me that that was no
the point | explained in a general way mat
was going ON TO Baltimore. did not ask hiu
for the money.
Q.-You understood that he would give i Z
about IT, N
QNYou testified that you had an impression
and provided 1t could be raised.
Q.-That WIS the understanding between yol
I and him. provided the money could be prompt
ly raisedf Ave did not have any such un
Hg h IN gonS south To- On meet Weed To So
} what there was In this matter which would re
quire $50 600 or $4,000.
. photographed him In the morning.
Q.-What time did you arrive IN Baltimore
. Q.-By what train2 Any impression I
y It was the . o'clock train that gets there at
y Q.-What time did you telegraph ur. Cooper
j A.-Early In the morning. .
Q.-AbOut what time should you say A
u | could not say the time.
q o. unierstand you % say that you suppose
you might have had an advancement ,I,, VII
proper way, that no might furnish tho money
n A.-Pussihly.
j Q-You went 10 Baltimore for the purpose
seeing that II was a possible and proper thin
mean whether II WAS an upllhhahle thlnI
|. A-To see tho whole situation.
NO.EAnd II YOU found il To- be such az you 81
pected. Cooper might furnish tho money. ID
you not A.-rhM was possible; III. 49,, l..
? me,nately telegraphed him 2 Alt may n
have bccn 9 O'Clock. | wanted To catch MIN b
~ fore no 'cit his house To 30 down toWh-pro'
10 ably il WAS after BREAKFAST.
l. U.-Bcfore 10 o clock Al have no doubt
"Coe,"B" Kind enough to explain to us VIII
( time Won saw Mr. Weed About noon.
lt O.-Mhy. II you had made AN arrangeme
A. with Mr.. Cooper 10 telegraph him after mas =
fore? Al did not say 10 Mr.. Cooper Won
telegraph before investigated; nothing sa
about Il. | considered the matter that mig
m and the next morning. and thought would ial
~ the risk OF elegraph,ng 10 to9prr p,i3 =.
affair was Of no moment. the tSysInm 70 N
u. later in the day.
,y O-Cooper YOU say. you saw after this tran
w acton. and he said II met with ne entire disl
' prnvnl: snd II was wrong, and besides II cou
Q.-At the time II WIS pending ana durll
nI this conversation y4n Thought ne nisnt Dos
C. by send YOU money II II proved To- be bonan'
State what words OF indignation he used IN I
T. gard to the TRANSACTIONS Al don't romemb
- his words. SIR , =,
nr Q.-iIcre YOU presented u transaction Ia T.
lu ! ward Cooper. statements thht you were going
A' Baltimore looking about the terms OF purrha
u; ing nm -lcctur of South Carolina or some one
! ! them: he rruudnted It after IL could not
done but you can't state the words OF the oll'
'rt ton. state what words lie made use ot while
II thought IT could Ice don"f Al don rehcl
AI Der what was said.
ny do you remember his rcprobating You
your having tor a moment had n suppusitl
lint il could be- doueY Al don't think Il
Tho uucstiOn was discussed. don rrmcml
rn thn. the moral aspects oi IL were discussed.
to- O-COOp"r didn't express any lndighhtio
to- AErhnt quest ON wash dir 'ussed.
7, Q-lou never raised III" uu' suon that II "
not prupcrthins toe oy a. ldout rememh
ut O-Wouh YOU not have recollectcd tia
ION A-rhr conversation was short -Very short.
~" was mainly my std'lneht To MN. / ana I
talking more than ne did.
Of O-You expected him 20 raise the money, b
re- instead OF that b" went and told your un,
Wns that after he tried to raise the money
nat any wayY Al don't know.
Q.-Nour scheme first received reprohati
ed when Cooper WAS indis rect enough, IN y,
lr- opinion. to communicate II 10 your uncl" Z
10 That my understanding.
my O.-IOu never received any reprohhtlon 1
Ill that time when II got within the purYew
r2 your unele's idea OF proprriy; as soon as
ou did It WIS crushed outf A. Yes, slr.
Q.-Will YOU state how soon N'tcr thW y