The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1879-02-09

| llEIiS. lne right WtNNNt Wllf'n all DINERS nrN
worthless-their right to elective sclt-govern-
ment.
Mr. Tilden paused for a while. and then.
turning to the chairman said. / have done"
The Cross ~ animation.
The Chairman to Mr. Reed and Mr.. His
ckl-Now you can ask him any questions.
| q. by Mr. Recdl-Gov Tildcn, who was your
private secretary ut the time Of these trnnsac-
tions A.-Gcorgc ". Smith. Do you mean
my personal secretary or my secretary as Gov
| ernorI
Q.-Your personal secretary A.-Gcorgo W.
Smith,
Q-Hero among these kilograms In the NIB
Uie pamphlet is one. No. 80, addressed to
George W. Smith. 10 GramercY Park and in
cipher. which was used in these discriminating
dispatches 1t relates to suggestions in regard
10 Oregon. and was transmitted by Mr.. Manton
Marble TO George W. Smith. Is Gramercy Park
Did you over see that despatch Al do not
remember.
Q.-Have You any impression with regard TO
It. whether you did receive 1t. either in the
translation or originate Al have no,. | have
no recollection Of It,
Q.-Nono whatever? A-No.
Q.-The translation follows 1t Immediately
Look over the translation and see II it recalls To
your mind having received that despatch
Handing the dispatch to Mr.. Tilden. MS follows:
CRY, " smith Is G,g..-,, I',,i 81, i,.s,
l.rs',a y, ',"h rom ns, nstT 70 l',n$
elcciur y sinr In s7an sc ia'o, To HIM not until al
'iscd Otonor' mj Oh an olimon why thereon.
been .u.sc., ROM here 10 G,vcrnor N Oregon
10 refrain from i'sur. c"rnnctte IN favor ni ncigic
sieeiur gnul aiv-d ueyon W., no. obtain rl,gTsph
Mr.. Tlllen rond the despatch deliberately and
answered Mi smith may have shown II TO
ne. hut have no rrcollc.tion,"
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| opinion recall anything Ia YOUR mindP Al
| dc nUt remember that Mr.. OCOnur WIS over APP
p'nn ~ !ot an opin IN on any suTa,Lo
| opinion was asked Al do not remember
| Q.-lou hnvc road The Tribune publications
| rotating 10 these dcsputrhesl Al read them
exam ned a part Of thom.
| same cipher from Louisiana which began.
| 'Blglertl Russia, and WIS translated. " Il gl"r
! t. TildenY DO you recollcct thaty Al do
do you remember one which was also sent
To George W. smtn your private secretary - 10
To you Al shoIl think % likely Mr.. smith
would have submitted such a despatch TO me- II
! hc received such u dcapai'h.
Q.-lle was Your private secretary. and Il ho
rrrciy'd such ,lrspatcn would hnye boon his
Q.-Ilaye you any doubt That be did1 A.-Hs
| was my personal sr'rrtry MIR. Charles Steb-
| Q-lt would have been his duty 10 have sub
| mitcd t-havc you any doubt That he did sub
mt % 10 you; Al have no recollection OF tho
! existence Of that.
Q.-lt would seem. then. Gov. Tilden. that
| your personal secretary had TINS cipher. DO
| you know whether he did or not az your own
knowledge? Al do not think he did.
! GLOW. then. were these transmitted II no
! jill not have the cipherf Ale might have
| been ablo to translate II. or he might have got
| somebody else 10 do II.
KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE CIPHER.
Q.--WhW do YOU know about this cipher? A.
! do Jot know rnItling ahoutlt
Q.-And YOU do moi know Al could not
put any messages into cipher 4 tried.
Mr Ii!drn lconiiuulngl-l could not have de-
| cilher"d one.
Q.-I merely suggested that your personal
| private Secretary had this same cipher. which
| has been used In these lncriminntlng de-
! slh"h"s ih order 10 give you an opportunity to
throw light upon the circumstance tina, seems
| To- be- indicated 10y the foc's-nave you any an
swcr to thai2 Al have none. / am hero 10
| Doe minel by IN. Committee. do not think
he had the cipher there
Q.-When Col. Potion returned from Belti.
MORE ala you have an Interview with him
| Al suppose did.
TIE INTERVIEW WITH MR.. PRLfoN
Q.-Do you recollect whether you did or not {?
| Al haNe no doubt did.
that Interview was? Al nnnot re'oiis-t il in
| detail | have no dDuht expressed lmputioncc
| the substance OF that Interview. nm not. "
| course. speeding you 10 repeat Wnrds-bectuso
| none 81 Us could ever d. that. Giyo the sub.
| htnce u what YOU said 10 him. ana what he said
| 10 yOu} Al do not think he said anything to
me- ! think there was was a nero outhur,t oi
| impNtlrnce ana disp'eUsurc al his having mad
anything 10 do with the Baltimore transaction.
Odd he make any replyt Al think he
| made no reply.
Mr. iunton-I did not hear what YOU stated
| before.
Mr. Tilden-I said expressed some disap-
| probation or impotence and dispcnsure that
he had had anything to do with the Baltimore
affair.
Q.-You know tho position Governor. that
| Col. Potion occupied with reference TO tho Ma
| tional COmmittee. and that n great many tele-
grams came to him. Al knew great many
| q. That no was a resident at your house
| Al" WAS.
.. (By Mr. Reed)-Dd YOU after his visit to
| Baltimore and the purpose for which he went
| came 10 your knowledge. make any suggestion
| that he should be- removed from Tho position
| in which he WASP Al do not think that did.
Q.-Mhy notf AIN the first place did not
| know Of tho Baltimore transaction, except 10
| tins extent that he had been receiving nm Offer
| there. / did not know that h0 had made any
engagement or that he had given any on
| couragement. did not acquire the knowledge
until the despatches had been published did
not acquire any Information on tho subject in
| conversation with Mr.. Cooper, except IN very
general way. and thought the bost way to deal
| with the thing WAS 10 stop It. And | did stop il
| cnectualy. And did not imagine it possible
| that any transactions OF that nature could be
a'tcrward renewed Besides. | know Potion
| had no power. lie was simply called acting
Secretary, but he had tho command OF no
money. lie had no actual power He was un-
able 10 do anything without the concurrence Of
other men. | Did not imagine he would nj
Odd not tho fact that no had once at-
tempted 10 do il give you any idea that he might
agalnf Al did not suppose he did IT, sim
ply supposed he had received an oll,r.
THE INTERVIEW WITH Mr.. COOPER.
Q.-GiYe us your conversation with Mr..
Cooper. as near Ms you arc able, Gov Tilien.
AL have given II TO you rs nearly as could
o. would like. TO press the question for az
full an account OF that conversation rs you can
give us. A.-The conversation with MI. Cooper
Odd he begin III Ale began tho con-
VarsntiOn.
DIN what form OF words. or what OF sub
stance, did he begin that conversation. and
What did he impart to your A.-Ho told mo
Col Pelton had gone 10 Baltimore. and had re-