The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1879-02-13
Mr.. KlNBALL AND TALMAGE.
THE DEBT BiISER IND. THE PASTOR
ON me UIINESS STAND.

u,mb,u Tell, How he Got Subscriptions for
,,. Tabernacle, aud DIR. TnImnge Denies
,h,t he MIsreprcsrnted-Thc Pastor CUES
tnncd About The Christian at work.
nh, suit " w. j. Gclston against the
nr,5,yn Tabernacle was continued in tho
pr,oslyn city Court yesterday. Tho suit Of
VI Gc'sfon which is Tor an advance of money
,,thr church. involves the validity Of tho sub
s,riution OF John L. Talmagc. the pastors
rerhcy and those of seven or eight other trus-
,o,s who qnarrccd with the pastor and re-
signed anil who. In tho event of the success of
inc Tabernacle in this suit are to be- sued for
their subs 'riptions. Talmagc Kimbal. and
Arbuckio sat abreast Of each other at tho begin
ming " Yesterdays proceedings. Throrgs of
tho tabernacle attendants filled every inch of
spasa iu the room. aud wore inclined to be
demons,rativc. 4 few female members o. the
church worc in the company DR.. Talmago
recognized no one. but sat cured up in his
chair attcntivcly Watching the PROCEEDINGS.
Several witnesses testified in proof Of tho sub.
s,rutions To- the debit.
Matthew Arhucklc. the cornet player testified
that be had subs and paid $500 toward
the Tabernacle debt in the latter part Of last
summer
Lawyer MorrIs-where was this subscription
madc'
Mr. Arbucklc-On Concy Island. tLaughter.l
Lawyer Morris-Oho! Was there n church
service down there?
Mr.. Arbucklc-I never saw any church ser
vice down there. 1t was about the time that |
WAS arranging for the season 10 lead the sing
ing in the Tabernacle The trustees agreed to
pay me Il certain amount a Sunday and stipu-
lated that l should have complimentary con-
cert Then. to make the transaction n little
t1oocapt | ., hale
proceeds Of the concert to tho church toward
paying its debt. That is the way gave the $500.
Edward Kimball. the Church Dobt-raiser. was
then sworn.
Where do you lve?" asked Mr.. Tenney.
In Chicago" said Mr.. Kimbal
Q.-What is your busincss2 Al am mer-
chant
Q.-wcrc you ever clergyman? A.-No sir.
ILaughing.l
Odd You solicit subscriptions on Feb. IL
1878. in tho Brooklyn Tabernacle. for the pay
ment Of the debt OF the church, Al did.
After introducing the subject. rs nearly as
can recollect stated the Indebtedness OF the
church to be provided for ms 500. 500. with
possible contingent liability upon the Lay Col
leee varying possibly in amount upon the con-
summation or not ~ the sale Of that building.
which WIS then being consil ered. amounting to
t3uUl linen ENCOURAGED thn congregation 20
provide for that amount az S12.JlO. asking
them TO make sui srriptons and pledges toward
that result with view ot accomplishing 1t. ]
encouraged them 10 consider the payment oi
thoir subs 'riptions as soon n possible hut also
said That the larger payments could undouht-
edly bee arranged for with the on 'ors OF the
church. so that they might he paid in install
ments runn.u, on through the future accord
ing 20 the convenience Of the ciVcrs or sub
srbors. 1t was clearly stated that the effort
was for the raising and providing Of the. entire
amount boy such subscriptions and undertake
incs as might Doe entered upon al that day in
connection with tho effort then innugnrated.
a HN.# 4 all.
tho Judges " the value - tho subscriptions at
that time A.-l s. sir. The officers oil the
church and those who net for IL had the respon-
sAie charge II IT, nnan,'s. were To o. the
Judges OF the value OF the subscriptions for the
purpose aimed at.
Q.-Whnt was the character Of tho suhscrip-
tons you asked Tor? Al asked for individual
subscriptions. and also for as ocaied sulsrrp.
tons from asso citations 81 young people or oi
The sabbath ,hool. or 81 departments or classes.
IN short. al who We're accustomed 10 take part
In any OF their institutional or evangcstic work
A. cnnrcn and congregation.
Q;-From whom did you receive the amount
casionY A.-Tnm very snre that / saw tho mas.
tor and Mr. Corwn. and that my Information
concert ing that amount of indebtedness, which,
Q.-From N ras,or anil Mr.. Corwin? A.
ies, sir' whether primarily from one moro
than the other. cannot say. but from tho on"
in company with the other.
Odd you say that the subscriptions were
20 be paid within six monthsy Al did not
nor ANYTHING 90 that rif'ct Nor did say that
al the suls 'riptious We're TO he raised IN SIN
months. or fuNt ~ tho amount WIS not raised IN
sNmontis subscriptions would not be binding;
or that If not raised In six months tho suhscrip
tons would not be valid. or II NOT raised in six
months the subscriptions would not be- good. or
u the amount was not paid IN six months that
The SUBSCRIPTIONS would not he valid. or good;
six months; Al encouraged all subscribers
whatever might be- the Arrangement they might
make with the trustees, 10 pay ms fast as they
could. and expressed hope that they would
pay heavily within six months. and TINT all pay
ments made within 5 x months. or by the eNpi-
tcrest.
Gil, that NIL you said' A.-Thati MI sail
with reference to six months. II merely bore
on the subject Of Interest," that is all as related
10 individual subscribers.
e.-Dld you say anything indicating your
meaning when using the words larger amounts
OF that time2 Al don't think | went any
further with TINT than 10 INDY that tho conycn-
ien'e Of the donors was 10 be consulted IN
Their definite arrangement Of how fast they
w9uld, pay II they could so arrange.
the subscriptions should be paid? Alt was
not exceIt ihat encouraged all 70 pay as iasi
pay heavily within the six months.
Mr.. Kimbal delivered MS testimony in full.
round voice. The sienographer. rs he outlined
taken such "hish-sbouldcred Enslish' o.
cross-examinatinn Mr.. kimball said that he
distinctly said that unless the whole amount
was provided Tor anl covered the subscriptions
were 10; 10 be binding. He made no point
FiN months. He never could have expected II.
lie urged the subscribers - pay as soon n
p,sslbl", hut said nothing as 60 duration o' tim"
OF payment He understood that the amount
announced BY him as The doht covered all fhr
MHh.y oi TIE church. ana That II that amount
Vas raised, IL would put the church out Of debt.
he knew none Of the details OF the debt o!
-, Now Mt the time 81 that hurrah." said Mr..
Morris, didn't you know that only about s5,UOl
was raised and that the other subscriptions
were got before hand privately and We're an
nouncei there for enertf Did You think that
me whole amount subscribed there was IN re-
spoons. o. your solicitation ~
effective speaker said Mr. KimmlI. II adm
impress me So wish. however 70 say that
WASH here az the tim ~ any hurrah.'
nDr Iamaee, when cnllel TO testify. gave the
blpia warm kiss and then arranged himsH.
Ia the witness chair. His voice echoed through
the room when he begun o. speuk
! have been pAstor Of the BROOKLYN Tabor-
nacle. b." said " for ten years. was present
a. the pubic ,-lici,nton i'r sute'ril tons 20 th,
debt on Feb. II. The statement If tnr amount
OF the Debt which / c.u- to Mr. kimhnll wa.
lust as received IL from Mr.. Gr,-ton. tho plain
TIN, went 90 Mr.. Ges'ou s house ut Mr.. kim
bal s suggestion 1! crt the eX1ct amount ~ tho
debt Isubscrihcd 5000. ! had not made nnl
with ltlnrd az flrf-r..4.a nat