The sun., 1879-06-24
WHAT FAITH IN PRAYER9
The Queer story that Toid by the Rev.
Mr.. Gnmhnrt 90 the HnptIst MInI.ter..


Mr.. Gumbart TO the baptist MInIsters.
The Baptist ministers yesterday discussed
the subject OF Faith in Prayer. basing their
thoughts on the words OF Christ to his disci-
pies. whore He promised that II the disciples
faith was sufficient even q mountain might be
removed.
Mr.. Osborne read an essay in the beginning
Of the meeting. saying that no one should pray
like that old woman in Vermont. who after
praying that one Of the Green Mountains might
be removed Ia the night and cast into Lake
Champlain and on looking out OF her window
next morning and seeing that II was yet on
land. exclaimed: " It's Just as l expected"
Mr.. Gumbart complained that the brethren
had not hitherto listened to him in tho Confer
ence because he was young. The apostle Paul
said, Let no man despisc thy YOUTH yet he
had been so treated that he had OF late kept his
mouth shut. Now he would say what he wanted
TO. He believed that the Saviour referred 10 nm
actual physical mounttin when He spoke.
Christians PRAYERS, he was sure are answered
Why he was in New York oncc and lost his
money, He hadn't a cent 10 pay his tare on the
railroad TO his country home. He prayed for
enough money 10 pay for his pAssalse and as
he stood on the corner OF Barclay street and
The denomination OF the bill was Just large
enough TO enablc him 10 pny for his railroad
ticket 6 bs6heT Gume@r, & believed G that ne me
prayer. He JUS; as firmly believed that II he
should stand on that corner and pray for money
Tor a week the money wouldn't come. because
he didn't expect IL and be didn't need It. and
SO he wouldn't have the faith to pray for IL.
Just so In praying that a mountRin might be
removed from it, place and cast into the sea. II
u WIS necessary and 10 bc expected, then
Christian might pray and II could be done.
Mr.. Huggins said that once prayei at the bed
side oi sick woman given over TO death. and
in two days she was out OF danger. aud In two
stances in his experience. III we believe Gods
word. then he will grant our petitions. II they
Mr.. Miller said that he had mountain to
offer for those TO remove who believed III re-
moving mountains. The Melrose Baptist
Church was IN great trouble. Its pastor had
resigned. and tho church society owed him his
salary for ever 30 long. The floating debt was
| s15366, and mortgages eueumbered II 70 tho
depth OF 81 200. An additional mortgage could
not be obtained. The Baptist CITY Mission had
refused aid; The pastor must be paid; The
Is the mountain" exclaimed pr. Miller. and
not word has been said about removing II BY
Why don't the Conference stop right here
and pray torit?' said voice from the midst Of
There was silence Tor moment. Then Mod
orator Lawson said. II remains for tho Con-
| ference 10 decide what shall be done
" Go on with the order OF business. said a
| voice. in the quietest tone imaginshle. The
clerk went on calling names OF Numbers 10
Mr.. Muir believed that Jesus referred 10 phys
| icRl difficulties 10 he removed. PrGi. Tyndnll.
in his famous PRAYER test. had offered TO take n
/
| tians pray for them. and take an equal number
for scientific treatment: then to test by the re-
eulting number Of patients dying or recovering
| which was the more reliable, religion or science.
! That challenge, Brother Muir SAID, was n
| challenge by an inildel or -keptc. and il WAS a
standing reproach that the Church did not have
| the strength TO take II up.
Mr. Daniel Read believed that because the
| material is evcrywilere subordinate 70 tho
! spiritual. the prayer OF faith has to do with
the physical as well rs the spiritual world. III
II is necessary that cities should be pulled down.
| then prayer will destroy thcnl as Babylon WIS
| destroyed. The KEY 10 the difficulty about faith
| is that the Holy Spirit must lead and must IN
tercede with groAn ings that cannot be uttered.
Mr.. samson thought that faith must coin
eide with Gods laws.
! Mr. Simons believed that faith has solid
ground 10 stand on. We must trust in divine
| wisdom. Christians have more than they really
expect They ought to expect more.
! Mr.. SimonsOn said that elimination should
! be made between faith and presumption. Faith
some truth OF God to fall back on II he was "a
| pray for the removal OF n mountain. He would
| want Thus saith the Lord before he would
! make fool Il himself 10y the venture. llaugh-
teri He had ney"r had any OF tho startling
! experiences - that tha brethren talked about.
Mr.. Adams related many instances OF an
| swers TO his prayers. He had wanted money,
| prayed for and received n; had knelt down AT
! his sick wiic's bedside. believing TINT there wa
| no hope for her life. aud while praying had re-
| recover wnich she did; had beon in many
narrow pares. hul had boeu rescued by prayer
| Pinaly Brother Daniel Read, who asked
| especial permission To- speak about the IXndal
PRAYER tcst. said that g. i1ka W tnHt challenge
! would bee % ignore Gods wori. We would mo-
| be- led hy God. but by Prof. Typdal That woult
! be 20 appeal 10 human reason, human wlsdoA
! and 10 Juul0D Gods word.