The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1879-10-14
THE TWO CHIEFS.
Political Interview with
Governor Robinson.
MIR. KELLY AT UTICA.
Squarely Assailing the Demo-
cratic Administration.
[BY TELEGRApn TO THE HERALD

[BY TELEGRAPH TO THE HERALD
UREA, n. Y. Oct. IS. 1879.
Before leaving Albany to-day your correspondent
called on Governor Robinson and had converse
ton with him extending over period of half an
hour.
what do you think of the political situation?"
was tho first question that suggested itself.
II don't think anything about political matters"
responded the Governor, who was looking we'll
and hearty and was more disposed to be COM
municative than ever 1 found him before.
al don't think" he repeated. anything about
political matters for leave all that to the people.
On the 4th of November expect to celebrate my
birthday and ii I am elected Governor the celebra-
ton will be additionally bright but il am not
elected the fact will take little away from the
cheerfulness with which shall commemorate the
natal festivlty."
..You don't seem, Governor to care for a rc-elec-
tion."
81 don't want the office. sir. and never would
have taken the nomination If it had not been for the
attitude OF John Kelly"
'what had Kelly got to do with it, GOVERNOR"
s.why Kelly put the democratic party in such a
position that it had to nominate mo and had to ac-
cept the nomination. On the day of election John
Kelly and his crowd will vote for Mr. Cornell. They
are not the men who will give away vote. or even
half vote. il ever they can utilize it for their
purpose"
PARTY on soUSDER BASIS.
'But how will this contest affect the partyf pur-
sued your correspondent.
1T will place the party here q sounder basis
than evor it was on before. No matter about the
issue that is being tried. That il ephemeral
and it's influence is only for the time being and the
great old democratic party will survive the shocks
that threaten it,
..Of course you consider Mr.. Kelly's action alto
gether Irregular
"WeIl if the Convention had submitted to the die
tation of John Kelly it would have perpetrated
act OF the grossest cowardice. and nothing Injuries
party than the reputation of cowardice. There
was only course left to the partyeither to sub
NIT to Kelly's dictation and bow down to Tammany
Hall and the leaders of it to assert itself in the
spirit Of true democratic independence"
"Why don't You take the stump, like KellyT
cas- said before 1 dom want to resort to any
ira means to insure my election. leave that thing
entirely with the people. and they may elect me or
MR.. KELLYs RECEPTION IN UTICA.
This evening Mr.. Kelly and his party arrived in
Utica and were met by delegation Of Utica demo-
Gratis of the most enthusiastic stripe As the train
rolled into the depot a salute OF twenty-o guns
was fired. and Mr.. Kelly carried to Baggs Hotel
almost the backs of the citizens. The balcony of
the hotel was crowded with people, evidently await
near and they had idea that Kelly the biggest
circus that ever appeared in their region.
Saint he o solid looking manY' they would say,
they gszed the stalwart form OF the boss Of Tam
That's just John Kelly. by goshl"a man would
remark VINO had exhausted himself in contem plat
ing the Tammany chiettain.
:You bet he'll wollop that old fraud Robinson
remarked another. and thus the discursive converse
ton went
1 attended two meetings this evening. one of
which held in behalf Of Mr.. Robinson and the
1,olu FxPA kali NJ
that Kelly had the biggest crowd and the most en-
thusiasm. and thousand people can mako affidavit
IN THE OPERA HOUSE.
After supper Mr. Kelly and his friends, accom-
panied by Mayor Buckley and delegation of citizens
appointed by the John Kelly Central Association of
the city, repaired to the Opera House IN carriages
The streets the vicinity OF the hall packed
with people and the interior OF the hail. from orches
ira to gallery, was so crowded that standing room
was at a premium. At eight o'clock the visitors.
preceded by the Utica committee. MADE their
signal for long and continued applause. Mayor
Buckley selected chairman. and. after brief
speech, introduced Mr.. q. b. Potter, of New York,
who reviewed the action Of Governor Robinson in
vetoing certain financial measures which were Of
the most supreme Importance to the city. ASSEM-
blyman Grady was the next speaker. and discussed
ut length the principal cause of opposition on the
part of the democratic organization to the
reelection of Lucius Robinson. Assembly
man Holahan was introduced after Mr.. Grady.
and given q cordial reception. After he had
spoken about thirty minutes the star Of the evening,
John Kelly. was brought forward and received u
of applause. which was continued for several
seconds. Alter quietness was restored he spoke us
folows:-
have been told that none outside of New York
would vote for me. don't know how many Of you
will vote for me-t"Alll ALL! cheers)-but the en-
thusasm satisfies me that some of you will. Why
here? Does anybody believe the story that
simply inspired with ambition to be Gov
ernor? 1 was never led away by selfish
aspiration. Principle alone actuates me to cave the
party from the men who destroying it. The
sooner the people are aroused to TINS danger the
No t,Io hat
cials unfsthful to their trusts but how can We
expect good government when 1t is in the hands
of those who have conspired to destroy
II. / would be criticised for saying any
thing disrespectful about an opponent, but
you have heard what Mr.. Robinson has done; We
do right in guarding our interests. We stated our
objections at the Convention, saying that the people
of New York county would not vote for Robinson.
No attention paid to protests or appeals.
Those who controlled the Convention had resolved
to nominate Robinson because they had not the
sense OF children.
might occupy your time in examining the weak
points of Robinsons record. but will content myself
with saying l am ut least good democrat as he.
He claims to have wrought reforms especially in the
prisons and canals. would not deprive him of any
deserved credit but see where the reform comes
in Before the constitutional amendments were
adopted the prisons almost paid their expenses under
the old system. The new system has no advantages,
while 1t is running and beggaring mechanics. and
the contractors grow rich convict labor at forty
cents u day. Two thousand hatters, loo iron
moulders are thus idle. while the wages OF all arc
cut down. One contractor made S500.O00 last year.
but the state received benefit. Mr.. Seymour lately
said that tho whole trouble began IN the present
Superintendents bad theory of treating criminals
IL all were condemned for life. Mr.. Kelly would
not advocate idleness anything inhuman. He
would favor the system Endorsed by reformers and
recommended years ago which would let convicts
money even to help support their fam
lilies and yet not compete with free labor. Tho
Governor may sympathize with tho convicts. but
during the whole of his term he has visited
prison.
He also had singular democratic notions on cdu-
holding
above his sphere. which means that II boy or girl
II born poor they must remain SO. getting no incen
tive to rise. Now the poor man. ~ rule liz most
anxious to school his children: and no American.
rich or poor Will grudge the money with which to
do it, The men who founded cur government be-
nevcd that intelligence the best basis OF liberty
TAXES NEW YORK
In relation to New York We desire economy; not
perjury, but prudent. honest government. we tried
to do as your worthy Mayor aud Council are doing
lapplause)-and we are npeded ut every step. Labor
really pays the taxes rents pay taxes on real estate