The New York herald., 1879-02-07

not understood that Mr. Weed was to use money in
influencing the count in South Caroiinay A. No. sir
| q. You mean to swear to that? A. Yes. sir.
| Q. II that was not his mission why lid you have
ciphers for thousandss A. All the cphers had words
| @. Would there have been need for any cipher if
that money was only to be used for legitimate
pepses. A. Yes sr.
| Mr.. Hiscocks after much questioning as to Who
outside OF the witness and Mr.. Weed. knew of the
cipher. drew ont the fact that Mr. King clerk.
the only person Mr.. Hiscock expressed much in
creulity that cipher which was studiously secreted
from Mr.. Cooper Mr.. Hewitt and all the members Of
TO mere clerk like King. but the witness said there
existed positive necessity for having person
HIS COOP FAITH TOWARD WEED
O. Did IL occur to you that the National Committee
might rprdiate the bargain made by you and Weesl?
O. Wen, was it not bad faith on your part to let
Weed make bargain when you had no money to
carry il out? A. took my chances whether the
mittee would approve my action OF not; don't
think was guilty of any bad faith. and don't think
he thought so
O. How did you expect this money to be raised? !?
A. thought it might be raised by the committee
like the rest-by contribution.
would lend the money? A. supposed that there
were men who would be willing to do it.
MAN MOST INTERESTED.
@. Did you not know that that money would have
to be raised by the interested in il putting
his hand in bis pocket and taking tho money out? A.
q. You had this interview with Mr.. Cooper in the
hall of your uncies house? A. Yes. sir.
O. Your uncle and Mr.. Cooper were on confidential
terms? A. Yes sir.
Q: Did you caution Mr.. Copper not to tell your
uncle of it? 4. think did.
Q. Why did you tell him not to tell your uncle?
A. Because did not want my uncle to know it..
O. Did it occur to you that there was anything i'm
moral dishonest in the transaction A. No.
sir: didn't think of that.
O. Why didn't you want him to tell your uncle?
A. Because l thought he would try to stop it.
O. Why? A. Because he might think it was
wrong.
look at it? A. i did not consider that.
O. Mr.. Peton. when did il first to you. with
reference Your uncles business and your patrons
business. to take such responsibilities? A. When
Mr.. Weed transIntted the first proposition.
Q. You had always been dependent upon the Gov
Mr. Sprnger-Oh. Mr.. Hiscock. don't press that.
Mr. Hiscock-I propose to show the relationship
ossoter absurd that his story can be- true
pose TO show that by his confessions before get
through
to involve this gentleman in transaction OF this
kind, involving high crime and the ruisiug Of
money to perpctrate it. without consulting him?
A. didn't take that view of it, sir.
Q. And when these propositions were presented to
you it occurred to you that you were taking
| grave responsibility acting on these dispatches with
| no one in the world knowing of it except young
| King. and committing your uncle's reputation and
his position by such act as that? A. No, sir;
| know was taking a rather large sponsibility.
Q. Did you feel you We're warranted in doing it?
A. think was warranted in carrying it along as far
as did
o. Did it occur to you that these large sums Of
money could not be raised without Governor Tiden s
knowing it eventually? A. That never occurred to
| me; don't see why it should.
| q. Did you think that there were patriotic demo-
Gratis enough in this city to have raised these sums
Of money and to Keep it secret from the Governor
A. / never said that they would raise it. but took
| my chances.
| Q. Did you expect when you went.to Baltimore
| that upon your despatch the money would come
| A. I thought it possibly might; didn't expect it
| at all.
| o. Do You mean to tell this committee that you
went to Baltimore. sent all these dispatches got
Smith Weed there and got his man solomon there
upon fools errand. not expecting that Mr.. Cooper
would furnish that money? A. / took my chances
| on that.
Q. What were the chances-one in ten? A. That !
@. Did You think Mr.. Cooper would keep this mat
| ter from Mr.. Tilden when you asked him to A.
| thought he would.
Q. Now. do You mean to say that you would have
dared to carry out that transaction, but would not
have been willing to tell Samuel j. Tilden? A. Yes.
/ WAS NOT TALKED OVER WITH T1IpEN.
O. Was not this matter fully talked of between you
| and your uncle. and was it not arranged that he
| should seem to have no personal knowledge of it.
| and it was thought best that you should take the
responsibility OF acting in the matter without com
municating with Mr. Tnden. trusting to chances for
| the future? A. No. sir
| more expecting there 10 consummate arrange
ment by the paying over Of almost fortune for the
had been ordered home in disgrace and coming
into his uncles house again. again to sit at his table
|
daughter and cries OF "Sermonizing!" from the
| democratic side.
Mr. Recd-It does seem mal-d-propos to deliver a
| moral lecture on this subject. daughter
Mr. Hiscock (continuingl-Now, do You mean to
say that under those circumstances you cannot re-
| peat the first conversation that you had with your
uncle on the subject? A. l cannot give the words
! l only say that he was very violent and con-
| demned the whole matter
O. How soon after that was it that you telegraphed
Mr.. Marble that he might use money? A. Within
fifteen days.
~noJ l,;,, 1o
| payment of large sum Of money-$50, ,0O0-in Flor.
ida to debauch that Returning. Boardl A. tele-
graphed to him asserting to it, Iexpccted to lay the
| whole matter before the committed
O. How that money to be raised ? A. ex-
pected il would be raised by the committed
.. Now, did you not know that there was just one
person in the world that could raise the money. and
that was the person who was interested in being
President Of the United States and that he could
that. that '''-' = f-' ' = - ' NV
O. After having been rcbuked once you undertook
to commit him to the purchase OF Returning Board
| in the state Of Florida? A. did it.
Objection was made to the word commit" in the
Mr. Reed-Oh. don't let's have anything in calcu.
lated to commit Mr.. Tiden my way; lett have that
| out.
O. You undertook the purchase Of the Presidency
for your uncle knowing that il u thing which he
| was unwilling to have done?
Objections from the democratic side
Mr. Springcr-Wc understand that somebody has
stolen the Presidency already. tApplahse.)
Mr.. Hiscock-fhs investigation started ouN origi
nally to try to prove that somebody stole the Prcs
| dcncy: finding out that somebody at
| tempted to steal 1t and failed. (ApplauseD
| The applause by the audience about equal on
| each side. and was very general. The Chairman
threatened to clear the room IL ID we're repeated
| Mr.. Reed-Mr. Springers words sound like scpul
chral echo. Ihave not heard that grand cry since
| tho investigation began.
| q. You had correspondence with some people in
Oregon; how was the cipher established between
| you and Oregon? A. 1 think 1t was brought to the
committee rooms here by man named Davis; the
money sent to Oregon TO my credit back again
the amount was 81 800; tho Object in sending IL
thero to icfray legal expenses that might be in
CURED in preventing fraudulent count of the State
| election; do not remember who IL sent to; my
| recollection OF the matter is not good.
| Colonel pelon had several times cssaved to con.
suit the pages OF the volume containing his printed
testimony before the Senate committee while Mr.
! H,scock had vsiny tried to dissuade him from 80
doing, at the same time appealing to him to answer
his questions from memory. At lcngt the patience of
Mr.. Hiscock became exhausted at the hcsating man
in which his questions wcr. being answered, and
he took the printed report out of the hand Colonel