The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1879-01-28

acting under positive orders with regard to them
and had no discretion in the matter.
O. Do you remember OF the first despatch and last?
A. remember that they were sent in September and
a few early days in October; fixed that date in my
mind because these dispatches asked for by
any of the committee subpenaes.
e. Do you remember any allusion being made to
Congress meeting or to any committee being APP
pointed with regard to these dispatches A. No.
O. Was there any order to burn the letter asking
for them A. Yes sir there was in the letter itself
The Charman-How many of these dispatches
were there distracted? A. should say about half
dozen on each side.
Q. Was this action drawn to the attention of the
directors of the company !? A. Not that know OF.
sir.
SIZZLING POLITICAL oPFIcEs.
Mr.. SPRINGER-From your recollection of the con-
tents of kilograms between Messrs Tyner and Foster
there sum of money to be placed TO the credit
OF the Republican Commitfee9 A. No, sir; 1t was
only my impression that there certain offices to
be sold the proceeds to go to the Republican Com
mittee; no sum OF money was named.
The CHAIRMAN-You do not know whether they re-
ferred to an important Office? A. No sir.
Mr. REED-You did not understand that it was the
presidential office?
Mr. SrINGEg-That was sold a little later.
Mr. REED-H attempted to be sold q lttlc
earlier TO winess) Mr.. Orion you say was repub-
O. And during his lifetime these dispatches were
not destroyed. A. No. sir.
O. The present president OF the company, your
father. is democrat A. Yes, sir.
O. And during the time he was acting president
these dispatches destroyed A. Yes.
Mr. Hiscock here objected to the evidence, the
ground that it did not come within the scope OF the
resolution
Mr. Reed suppose it must come under the ON
mum gatherum clause.
Mr. Hiscock-There is no such clause
Mr. Cox-Do you want it to be struck out?
Mr. Reed-Oh, no; only want to show that you
gathering together everything that has nothing
to do with the investigation.
Mr. Grant was recalled and said he thought he
could identify any of the kilograms which were sent
to Washington
MED by some member of the committee when he
went to examine the kilograms which were now in
the hands of Mr. Holden.
THE rYNEn AND FOSTER TELEGRAM
Captain Whitney recalled) was examined by Gen.
eral Butler relative to the teegraphc correspondence
that Mr. Green spoke of as being sent to Washington
which had passed between Messrs Tyner and Foster
AS near as he remembered he had delivered one or
two packages of kilograms which had been sent by
Mr.. Tyner through the Washington office. An order
to do would necessarily have to come from some
superior official of his. He had no recollection who
gave him the instructions and did not remember
having received any messages from New York.
GIVEN TO CHANDLER.
Representative Evans, OF Indiana was examined
| relative to Mr. Buocks position as Assistant Clerk
of the Senate of the Committee on Privileges and
ceved a package of kilograms from Bullock and
handed the same to William f. Chandler. Witness
admitted having received bundle of papers he could
not say what the contents were from Bullock, and
had handed it intact to General Brady of the Post
Office Department
The chairman handed Mr.. Evans letter purporting
to be a copy of letter received by him from Mr..
Bullock which mentioned the package az the one
Evans had given William E. Chandler at the request
of Mr. Bullock.
Witness denied giving Chandler the package. and
said he did not know William f. Chandler personally
The letter in conclusion stated that Senator Wad
leigh would inform him (Evans where Mr.. Chandler
could be found. (Laughter.)
developed that Mr. Evans had not spoken to General
Brady ON the subject since delivering the package
and had heard no more about 1t. recess was taken
until three P. N.
The following were the proceedings Of the Potter
Committee after recess-
la1 dcfa cd that fha ov1ar
Of Mr.. Cary. he made another search for the des
patches between Tyner and Chandler. and burned
of them There were eight
altogether. One telegram from Tyner
about making two appointments IN the
asking Mr.. Chandler to do this and have the money
deposited in some national bank that it might be
drawn IN Indianapolis by the Republican Committee
The kilograms also contained the names Of the per-
sons to be appointed. He could not remember what
those We're, but he believes one was Martin.
Mr. Reed-It was not st. Martin, was it 1?
The Chairmsn-No. He has not received his sp-
pointment yet, as far as know.
Mr. Reed-He had one from the subcommittee.
Mr. McMahon-Yes; they discharged him for pro-
motion.
General Butler-Oh! he does not pay money he re-
ceives.
MoLAssEs CANDY.
At this point the clerk Of the committee brought in
cnmsy wrapped newspsper package Pee and handed it
diately turned Blushingly he rose to explain.
Gentlemen. he said, Il ordered from Mrs What's
her in the lobby twelve copies of the Tribune
special about the cipher dispatches. but 1t seems
there has been mistake and she has sent twelve
packages of molasses candy" Qaughter,.
Mr. Reed-Either is sweet enough for this COM
mittee.
Mr. Hiscock-It is very evident she appreciated
what you wanted or needed. Haughter)
RECALLED.
Tho examination of Grant was then renewed, and
further details given by him OF kilograms which
passed between Messrs. Chandler and Tyner. He
also testified with regard to telegram from Foster
relating to the same matter.
Mr. Green at this point explained that he had for
gotten circumstance in connection with the tele
grams. The number was incomplete, and at the
suggestion of Grant the manager at Indianapolis
was notified to send on the rest.
The Chairman--You stated that you had forgotten
them. You do not confound the name of lack
Chandler with William 4. Chandler. do You laugh
teri
General Butler ito Grant)-I want to understand
something more about this. Tyner telegraphed to
Chandler. Secretary OF the Interior to appoint some
body in his department? A. Yes. SIR two appoint
ments of 81. 800 each.
would be paid and Tyner wished to have such sum
deposited in tho bank so il could be drawn in In
diana? A. said that exactly;
Mr.. Reed-Deposited by whom in the bank? A.
Chandler. He was to deposit the money and make
the appointments too. probably the same day the
day after Chandler tclegraphed that he had deposit
ted money ~ requested.
O. When did you first mention this? A. Right
here in this room.
Mr.. Cary, being recalled, said he would like TO
make a statement that he knew nothing of any con-
an objection that what he did know privileged
knowledge that came to him attorney for the
Western Union Telegraph Company.
Mr.. Butler-Answer this question and then make
objection.
Q. II has been testified by Mr.. Grant that he
ceived n schedule from you From whom did you
receive that schedule? A. l plead my privilege on
that question.
Mr.. Butler argued that as ne did not desire to ask
the contents OF this paper but simply put the ques
ton for the purpose OF tracing It, witness bound
to answer.
THE REMoTEsr RECOLLECTION.
The Chairman concurred in this opinion, and wit
then replied to the question that he had not the
remotest recollection from whom he got the schedule
or that he had IL.
Mr.. Butler-Then why did you object? A. Because
knew something further about IL. behind that.
Mr.. Butler-Tell us what IL is
Witness claimed his objection. and discussion fol-
lowed on the point of privilege between him aud Mr..
Butler. and the latter read the law on that point.
Mr.. Htchcock-It seems to me that Cary's OBJ
lection is entirely proper in declining this
question IL is not within the scope of investi
CATION.
M nutler-Oh Won havc mo there I M NOT hold