The New York herald., 1879-03-29
"TALMAGE'S FAME"
Fourth Day Of His Trial by the
Brooklyn PreSbytery.
MIR. REMINGTON EXPLAINS.
A Good Deal Of Amusement, but
Little Progress.

The hearing in the of Common Fame vs.. T.
De Witt Talmage' brief yesterday. After
direct examination of Mr.. Z. Remington. in which
an effort was made to heal some of the wounds in
ficted by the cross-examination of the day before
the trial was Adjourned until Monday
People who sought to enter the Clinton Street
Church within ten minutes Of the time fixed for
opening the proceedings met at either door by
blue coat, who simply announced that the house
wasful. Occasionally few persons would come out.
and then corresponding number were admitted to
the ecclesiastical arena. DR.. Tamage and his coun
sci and friends appeared to be in very good humor
as they came upon the Upon the table before
the former was vase Of handsome flowers the first
that has appeared at the trial. Mrs Talmage sat
with some ladies who invariably accompany
her. and flushed with pleasure the
gratulations poured in upon her husband.
Deacon Corwin was in his usual seat by the de-
fendant immersed in the study of note books and
newspapers. DR.. Spear and DR.. Milard, counsel for
the defence. calmly and confidently awaited develop
ments. The former however. wore tired express
sion. and the latter complained OF ill health. The
prosecuting counsel, Drs. Crosby and Mccullough,
were unusually cheerful and sprang into the har-
ness with an alacrty that suggested mischief. At
three o'clock DR.. Ludlow the Moderator, stepped
upon the platform with brisk dignity and called the
Presbytery to order. -"
MAKING A START.
After a brief prayer. during which some of the
members stood with bowed heads. and after some
preliminary business had been transacted, Dr. Van
Dyke arose to withdraw his motion of the previous
evening for summoning the writer of an interview
with DIR. Talmage. whose report had been excluded
from the evidence. Then Mr.. L. bennington was
called to the witness chair and the defence de-
clined further cross examination redirect one
was begun by DR.. Crosby. Mr.. Remington asked
permission to make an explanation which being &C
corded him, he arose and said
"MR. MODERATOR AND MEMBERS OF THE PREsBY-
TERY-Yosterday was i'll and exhausted. was not
in y condition to appear o witness to answer
clearly or intelligenuy the questions put to by
the counsel for the defence. Some Of those ques-
tions, cannot help thinking, put more
for the purpose of confusing than Of arriving ut
the truth. Until the present trial called
to testify in any civil ecclesiastical My po-
sition new and unpleasant one. came here
not of my DESIRE but rather against my inclna-
ton. Some Of the replies that was forced into
making yesterday. may have served to put me in
false position. and desired simply to state these
Mr.. Remington resumed his seat amid entire Al
lcnce, and Dr.. Crosby began to question him.
THE REDIRECT TESTIMONY.
O. Did you ut the time DIR. Talmage left the Ca,,s-
an a ork believe that you had done him an injury?
Q. Do you now believe that you did? A No, sir.
O. Do you believe that DR.. Talmage did you an
INJURY by his method of leaving the paperg A. do
DIR. Milard objected to the putting of leading ques-
tions redirect examination.
DIR. Crosby 'objected to these objections." He as
serted that the witness had been led into making
statements on the previous day that he did mean
Gncredulous expressions from the Tabernacle fioekj
DR. Spear declared that this was not psychoiogi.
cal exaInination, in which opinion the Moderator
concurred and ruled out '.the present opinions of
the witness regarding past facts"
DR.. Crosby resumed-What induced you to enter
tain .noral dislike for DR.. Talmage? A. re-
garded most unfair his withdrawal from paper
tho interests of which he bound to protect the
very name Of which was identified with his own.
and on which had expended largo sums of money;
was not hurt pecuniarily by his retirement but my
feelings outraged.
O. Was the paper profitable investment for your
Q. Was there not considerable indebtedness
which you liquidated? A. There was
g ;ad.t. And you paid it s0ursifs A Yes, out of my
Q. Did DR.: Talmage aid you in this hquidations
the journal profitable? A. attributed it largely to
the payment OF $4,000 salary to DR.. Talmage and Of
u like amount annually to Mr. Corwin. who
made publisher at Mr. Talmages particular recon-
mendation aud request.
Q. Was the advertisement Offering tho paper for
salc and signed "a. L. Ford disguised with the in
tention OF deoeving DIR. Talnage? A. Not at ALL SIR
SOME HARMLESS RIPPLEs
Soon after this counsel upon the opposide sides
indulged for the amusement Of the spectators in q
little brotherly wrangle over some knotty problem
OF evidence DR.. Crosby was searching for prcce-
dent in the records Of the day before when Dr. Spear
attempted to get the floor, but promptly put
down. AZ he reluctantly resumed his Dr. Crosby
who seemed resolved 70 avenge the MONOPOLY OF
tho previous session by the defence said with COM
passion III M know IT'S pretty hard to sit stili and
by the assistance Of the Moderator. matters were
once more adjusted. when Dr. Crosby handed the
witness copy Of the World of October H. 1876
Witness identified an interview with DR.. Talmape
which it contained. and DR.. Crosby was proceeding
to question him concerning it. DR.. Mllard asked to
look at the paper and the interview was discovered
to be the identical one which had been ruled two
Dr. spear was quickly on his feet. ..Arr. Moder-
ator," he began. I'VE have but this movlent learned
that this interview is one which you have already
excluded and in which action you were sustained by
large majority OF the Presbytcry. Last evening an
effort made to summon the writer hero to testify
and when we began to-day 1t evident that some
trckery was on foot unhostatingly affirm that
this Is an attempt to spring trap upon u.s."
..And unhesitatingly affirm. as stand hero be-
fore God and in the presence OF this Prcsbytery,
that we had no such intention" exclaimed DR..
Crosby. This witness put in false light here
yesterday. An open letter which he published. ac-
cusng DR.. Talmage OF candestiney inserting an ar
ticle and advertisement in his paper, brought
up against him. propose. by this published arti.
Gle and other published articles to show he had
good to believe what he said in that letter
But this should havo tried again to bring
this paper in evidence.
ONLY nHEronIc II
DIR. Spcar-I deem il a most unjus thing that this
newspaper report should be candestinely- II
Prcsbyter-The gentloman's Language is hardly
Dr. McCullough--It's only rhetoric. f
DIR. Crosby--1hat is all. Let him 20 on.
DR.. spcar-You may call Il rhetoric IL you please.
fairly treated IL this report is admitted.
DR.. crosby-I repeat, that only for the purpose
stated, would l have brought up this inforyiew
This witness came here ut INV urgent request tDr.
Talmage observed to smile). and want to set
him right; will set him right II 1t takes all summer.
The Moderator~-ln this case shall assume my
prerogative of asking the advice Of the Presbytery
The question IL whether u piece of evidence which
under previous circumstances bolievc properly
excluded can now be received under new circuns-
stances which think. would Justify its admission
Several members Of the ira bytcry offered opin-
ions for and against the admission of the interview.
Among those who spoke DIR. Butlcr who caused
smile by his reference to Dr. Tanapc's counsel as
"the counsel for tho other side" When the canvass
was sufficiently gone tho matter was brought
to vote, and large majority favored the admission
OF the report The Moderator gave formal utterance
this decision, and the witness read extracts from
the World interview and from articles Published in
other papers upon the retirement OF DIR. Talmage
from the Chrtstda at Work. Their purpose was to
show that the witness had cause for thinking Dr.
Talinago had acted unfairly in leaving that paper.
WHEN WILL END?
In pause that followed DR.. lialscy took occasion
10 ask whcthcr thore should be session OF the Pres
bxtCrv to-day.