The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1879-01-24


Rssoied That the witness be discharged further
tendance before the COMMITTEES.
The chairman remarked that he agreed with Mr.
Cox that one should be responsible for producing
ST. Martin. or for his truth or credibiiity.
Mr. Hiscock proposed the following as an amend
ment:-
Whereas, s. H. St. Martin witness examined by sub
made an affidavit 10 the effect that his previous testimony
Resolved. That he be called by this committee and ex-
amned touching said affidavit and the truth thereof
Mr. Springer asked that the preamble be divided
from the resolution, but this was not allowed.
Mr.. Hscock's amendment was accepted on q
division as substitute for the resolution offered by
Mr. Cox When offered as substitute the following
gentlemen voted for t:-Potter (chairman) Hiscock,
Reed. Cox Butler. Blackburn, Sienger and Mcmahon.
against Springer and Morrison.
MARTINS TESTIMONY
The chairman then called 3. ii. st. Martin, who
stated that he was the deputy marshal OF Donaldson
subcommittee were at New Orleans he gave evidence
before them, but afterward repented himself of hav
ing given false evidence and determined to expose
those who had induced him to do So He told his
intention to several parties; he never hid it. He
first told Mr. Maddox and Mr. Carter and afterward
Governor Hahn and Mr.. John Ray. Then he met
with man named Joe. whose other name he did not
know. and was introduced to Judge Marks 1t
long time before the latter would have anything TO
do with the matter but at length he did So and wit
ness drew up an affidavit which was given to Mr..
Shcllabarger at Washington by Mr.. Marks
The Chairman-Why did YOU not make the afi-
davit at Donaldsonvle? A. / do not know; there
certainly there who could draw up an Aft
dayit; did not expect to get anything for it; did
not ask for anything as far as the affidavit
q. What did you ask for A. Well, sir, my ex-
penses paid to Washington; l received $50 from
Marks and $40 from Governor Hahn, making $40
receive this pay the affidavit; had under
standing with Marks that he was to get me .
position; o did not not want one my present
fore to Washington l asked Mr.. Ray for
letter to Mr.. Shellabargor; he gave me one. and
Mr. Pitkin. who handed it to Mr.. Shellabarger; the
later said he would rather have nothing to do with
me; afterward asked Marks what he had done with
my affidavit, and he replied that he had passed it to
MIR. Sherman.
TESTIMONY NEW ORLEANS.
Q. While the committee was at New Orleans
you sworn after Dula? A. Yes and contradcted him
IN everything he said; was called by Mr.. Gibson.
q. Before you We're examined did Mr.. Stenger-
Witness Gnterrupting)-No, sir. Mr.. stenger
Q. Please hear the question Did Mr. stenger ask
II what Dula was saying was true? A. No, sir;
body did; OF course knew it was true. although
contradictcd it, never knew anything Of this bust
before / went the stand; when had been
examined $3.50 were handed to on scrap of
paper took it then. but returned it afterward to
Air. Gibson and Mr.. Weber; l told them was going
go before the committee at Atlantic City, but re-
fused.
Mr. sTENGER ENUMERATED.
Q. Your afidavit says that you were instructed by
Mr.. Stenger to report "Not found" when you had
A. 1t was not Mr. stenger. but Mr.. MADDOX; it is a
mistake, and altered 1t as soon as saw 1t in the
newspapers; the affidavit was made the I'd OF Deem
ber and did not alter 1T until last week; had
copy of the affidavit, and did know Mr.. Stengers
name occurred where it ought to read Dir. Maddox.
The witness then stated how, when acting as SER
geant-at-arms of the COMMITTEES, he had returned
twelve or thirteen subp9nas with the report "Not
found" he did SO on instructions from Mr.. Maddox;
in all these cases they were witnesses who
publicans or whom he was unable to Fix up to tes-
tify Maddox desired.
not find these witnesses A. do not know that he
did; never saw Governor Cox
THE CARTER AND GIBSON TELEGRAMs.
The witness was next examined with regard to the
kilograms sent in his name to Carter and Gibson.
Weber, he said told him that Gibson and Maddox had
promised him $4,000 in cash and guaranteed that his
alleged defalcaton treasurer OF the West Feciana
school Board should be squared the kilograms in
witness name were signed by him for Weber who
promised to hold himself responsible for everything
that occurred.
Q. And yet you were going to expose him all over
the country? A. Yes; he knew what could say
before the committee and thought that by getting
to write these teiegrans he would bind me down;
making the statement that Gibson had bought me.
but know that neither Weber nor Maddox nor Glib
son would care to Sr make rake an enemy OF me; why
kept me all the time and paid my board bills.
O. After signing these kilograms for Weber, asking
for money did You never send any similar requests
for yourself A. No. did not want anything; had
returned them $3.50 before that.
q. We're all the kilograms placed in the envelope
with your affidavit? K: All except one which was
from Gibson; he photographed me that he not to
be forced into buying testimony by threats black
mailing; this in answer to a telegram from
Weber calling him thief and scoundrel and stat
ing that he ought to be put IN the penitentiary.
q. Now, when did 1t strike you that you had been
doing wrong by giving such evidence that laid by
| you before this committee2 A. When Governor Cox
ana s had s
have found it all out; that satisfied that should
| not do to go on the stand any more.
DIFFICULTY LYING.
Q. suppose you had been able to give perfectly
satisfactory answers to Governor Cox You would not
have come to that opinion? A: Yes. sir. should; 1
Ia cas- 70 To ma
| TRUTH but not very easy to stick to a lie.
Q. Then Governor Cox got the bes. Of you? A. No.
think kept even with him. you would not go on
the stand and let anybody get the best Of you would
9-qaughterl-I think If man goes on the stand
to testify to anythingwhy If he goes into lying. he
must lie right through; otherwise be should let it
alone
did You not write about it to somebody-to John
| Sherman or anybody-nstead of spending month
al New Orleans trying to persuade Mr.. Morris Marks
want nothing but what is straight IL have done
anything that is not straight should like it to be
shown up; have got az clear a conscience as any
man around this table 1aughterj
| Q. Now. you began by telling Maddox and Carter
that you had perjured yourself for them and would
| not do 1t any more and they discharged you? A.
was discharged but cannot say that was the
O. And after that they paid you s25 to $50 to keep
would expose them after all.
=. You received $3.50 to to lie. and there
upon you do the swearing but return the money
then you tell them you are going to expose them
| what do you get for that? A. Nothing sir.
q. You do II for conscience sake. When you came
here did you enter into negotiations with anybody as
| to being paid A. No, sir; have thought of
| such thing; do not remember going to gentle
mans room and saying was out of money; that the
republicans were playing with me aud that not
to be played with unless something done for me-
that If they did not help me should contradict my
aflidavit-no SIR the boot wi. on the other Leg
somebody came to me; that was Mr.. Maddox; have
not received cent since came here and have not
complained about it.
On further examination upon his affidavit witness
denied that he intended to refer to Mr. Stenger
conduct. and said that the charges therein made
against that gentleman were untrue.
Mr. Potter then cross-examned him upon the evil
dence rendered by the witness at New Orleans taking
the questions almost serdtip they stood and re-
questng the witness TO point out those which
true great part of his former evidence declared
by st. Martin to be entirely false and given the
instigaton OF Gibson aud Maddox. This part OF the
examination was not concluded when General Butler
suggested that the examination should be adjourned.
The remainder OF the sitting was passed in secret
session.
The committee. in secret session, this afternoon.
decided to have the cipher dispatches Autographed
and published III pamphlet form as possible,
and to send for experts to dccipher them. The