Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1879-06-13
LYING LOUISIANIANS
FIELD DAY IN TIE 8POFFORD-KEL-
Loco INVESTIGATION.
Another Champion Liar ON tho Stand
Lying Not Being q Crime Under Louis
lana Jurisprudence, He Boss of Swear
ing False in His Afadavit-An Original
Moke Lighters Up The Gloom by an
Original Exhibition of Ignorance, yul-
garity and Pugnaciiy.

. Moke Iishtens Up The Gloom by Al
Original Exhibition Of Ignorance, vui
garity and Puenaeify.
THE DE LACY.
WASHINGTON. June l2.-The committee OF
privileges and elections this morning resumed
) the Kellogg Spoferd case. Mr.. Merrick said b.
. had no further pse for De Lacy witness, n
this witness had been arrested for perjury; he
(Merrick) had asked the district attorney the
privilege Of assisting in the prosecution should
he be indicted. Senator Hosr, abiding to the
criminal charge, said it was an extraordinary
proceeding.
The Chairman-The commit ee has nothing
to do with it.
Mr.. Hoar-I think it has.
Senator Houston-When it comes mp here We
can argue. zs3.7
Mr.. Hoar-We will argue it when it seems
proper.
i Mr.. Merrick said De Lacy Was one of his Wit
nesses.
Mr.. Hoar remarked that the universal rule
was, while any cause was pending, q criminal
process was never used a. means of coercion
of witnesses, and when such witness was Ar
rested, to decline further prosecution until
the cause ont of which the offense arose WAS
concluded.
l
Richard j. Brooks, colored, member Of the
House Of Representatives of the Packard legis-
lature, called by Judge Shellabarger, testi6ed
to being present the 10th Of January at the
joint convention of the two houses when Kel-
logg was elected. he knows Samuel Thomas
and heard him answer when his name was
called. Murray had tried to induce him to 70
and see Cavanac and make an affidavit that he
witness, was bribed by Kellogg. He did not
go.
Cross-examined. He said he subsequently
told Cavanac that KELLOGG had not offered him
it. Cavanac also said they could get white
! men bus preferred colored men in the busi-
ness. In reply to Senator Kell gg. witness
said the rumors that Kellogg hid used money
to secure his election had como from disap.
pointed politicians. There were also rumors
drive out the Packard government. Ross
Stewart asked witness to 60 from the
Packard to the Nichols legislature and
said he had made arrangements for
that purpose before the commission
come from Washington and that if he could
the Nichols legislature they could have % 600
apiece for the service. There was rumor
| that money had been used to secure the cleo
| ton of Spoford.
| Charles F. Brown, colored testified he was a
member of the Packard legislature and was
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Kellogg was elected. Samuel Thomas and
Jules Seivgnes were present and voted. In re-
| lation TO the conversation with Murray, wit
ness said Murray told him that if he would
make affidavit on the Spoford side he should
receive 81, coo and would realize about u ,0O0
Murray said Judge Spofford was rich and the
money would come from "a division of Spot
ford back pay.
Witness was never offered anything to vote
for Kellogg. He was offered q bride to 20 to
che Nicholls legislature and vote oraspo dord.
On the 9th day of January. while the Senatorial
election was pending, F. J. Kennedy proposed
to witness and his colleague that
if they would go over to the Nichols legisla-
ture he would guarantee them 800 a day for
ten days or until United States Senator was
elected. Kennedy said he represented the
Nichols government, and pulled ont large
roll Of bank bills saying, This Is the hash for
you boys if you want to CO., There were 500
and $5u0 bills in the pile. He put the money
back into his pocket After one hundred days
he went to the Nichols legislature, having been
bartered away.
Merrick then cross. examined witness and
asked him:
O.. Who bartered you away? A. The com
mission.
@. The Mcveagh commission and the Presi-
dent of the United States? A. Probably it
might have been.
@. Did not Cavanac tell you he wanted only
the truth? A. That is what politicians say.
@. W. all know what politicians say; an
swer the question? a. Cavanac might have
said so.
During the cross-examination witness said
he did not tell Murray that he received money
for voting for Kellogg. Witness said Cavanac
wanted all the boys to fall in line and said the
patronage of the custom house belonged to
them and would be distributed when Spofford
came in Senator. He did not know of any bids
being made to support the Kellogg side.
n nh H.
was a member of the Packard legislature in
January, 1877. BE knew that Thomas and
SeTiques both voted for Kellogg, and they
never told Murray that he obtained money for
voting for Kellogg. Witness was a Yarmouth
man, but at the request of Yarmouth he and
others went over to Kellogg. He did not know
of any money being paid by anybody to vote
for Kellogg.
J. X. Watson, colored. of New Orleans testi-
fed he had been letter carrier in that city.
he knew Murray but never told him that he
occupied Thomas seat in the legislature on
election day and voted for Kellogg. He did
not occupy the seat of Thomas or of any other
member on election day. Witness gave An &C
count of his arrangement with Murray and
sCavanac to swear to an affidavit that he had
ed for Kellogg. After making ont the state
ment Murray said to witness, ''strike Flood for
$780," Flood was one of the negotiating par
ties. He was told to strike while the iron was
hot.
Witness obtaided IS from Flood on account
until the matter could be fixed up. Out of the
s5 he paid for cutting Muusy's hair, for his
shaving end glass of beer for him.
Murray said witness didn't act
on the square, although be had
not promised Murray to divide small sums
Nth him. If he had received large sum he
would have divided. Murray also obtained 81
from Flood. He and Murray went into cof-
fee house. The witness said, This place is
only for white people" when Murray replied,
I'VE are big niggers.' After drinking Murray
took out his 81 to pay, and out of the change
gave him two bits. Murray said to him that
the friends of Nichols wanted to prove bri-
berry. Dead men could tell no tales, andlif he,
the witness, would personate Thomas and vote
for Kellogg, the profit would figure up Sl,5OO.
Murray told him that If he, Spofford, did not
pay those niggers they would 20 back on him,
and added. I'VE and other colored men who
made out af6davits do not intend to swear to
them until We are paid. Spofford is worth two
! his ambition" Witness said he signed one or
two statements and took 3 quasi oath.
Merrick-It was fat straightforward lie.
"A. No, there was some truth in it.
Merrick then showed witness the affidavit to
| which he had sworn on the 9Th of May. He
Thomas and voted for Kellogg. He fulfilled
| the part of his bargain with Murry.
G. Who forced you to make the affidavit?
A. I was persuaded to do it and 1 did not
think the act involved any legal responsibility.
@. twas moral terpitude. A. had
right to SO act.
| @. You swore to q lie. A. It was the truth
| jndiciously expressed.
@. Thereare times then when you can swear
to . lie. I. that the way you understand con-
acientious scruples9 A. / am minister.
! daughter.