The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1879-01-26

paper in connection with Weber
e. You speaking OF driving men out, anu
that you we're one OF that kind? A. We never drove
anybody from our parish, i i was done.
The Chairman-iou must take TINS on your own
account Mr. Reed. do not know that we called the
witness on bulldozing.
Mr. Discriminating! / am only making clear
of the answers that you got out ana whlch might
have had different construction.
The Chairman-It is "a subject matter which is not
before the committee. .
Mr.. Reed-t relates to expressions made before the
committee that might convey an entirely different
impression to what was intended
The Chairman-Then strike it out.
Mr.. Rced-Oh, if the Chairman wishes IT, all right.
To the witness-Attrr you had sent the telegram
to Mr.. Gibson, calling him a liar &c..
you met Mr.. Maddox down at New Orleans;
what did he says A. Well, sir, met
him ON Canal street and he said Il have just arrived
and glad to you went into his room and
had something TO drink and then he got me to bring
Weber to him he spoke to Weber the school board
grams for y when Maddox met me LII Canal street
he said. II know very well you did not send them.
Mr.. liecd-Now, IL the Chairman will favor me
with the telegram which he says he las from Mr..
Acklen will be obliged.
Mr. Reed-I shall ask the reporter to take notice
that have asked for it and You decline to let me
Mr. Hiscock-what is the telegram?
Mr. Reed-It is u telegram from Mr.. Acklen, which,
the witness says, relates to this transaction
Mr.. Hiscock-Have you the telegram?
q. Then give the contents of it?
The chairman explained that he wished to see Mr.
Acklen to inquire whether he sent it, and then lie
would produce it.
Mr.. Reed accepted this explanation.
GENERAL BUTLER EXAMINES ST. MARTIN.
General Butler, who had entered the committee
room but few moments previously. said there were
or two things i'll the witness statement that he
did not understand In the first place Mr.. st. Martini
in making this affidavit you went tn the clerk in
Marks office, and he wrote it down Did he write 1t
in short hand or i'll long hand? A. don't know
what short hand is; believe he wrote it just as it
is perhaps he altered the words a little.
q. Aud then you read 1t over carefully? A. Yes
but do not read English very well.
Q. You say, that this clerk in taking down the
take and put down that of Stenser: you had been
talking about Maddox and Stenger and got them
mixed up little? A. suppose so ! never had any
idea that Maddox chairman of the committee;
knew he had great deal to DO with 1t.
o. You say that Mr. Weber furnished Mr.. Stcnger
with the names OF the witnesses and the questions
that would be put to each witness; you meant Mad
dox did you not? A. No. Sienger was used right
O. Was the clerk who wrote the affidavit ever seen
by you in the committee room? A.. No. SIR
Q. Ii you meant Maddox instead of Stenser, how
comes it that it is written Chairman of the Commit
tee? A. Well, mentioned the subject to him. 1t is
a mistake that cannot account for
The question was repeated
Witncss-You may keep me here six months and
can't say differently. Can you give reason for
every mistake that you make?
General Butler-Well, l will try to. The difference
between You and me is that am examining you and
you not examining NE; and, besides, l have
not sworn to u lie.
Witneess-W do not know about that.
General Butler-I do not want to handy words
Witness--I have answered it AZ well as can.
o. Have you ever heard this affidavit read over in
Washington? A. No, sir; well heard Mr. Maddox
read it to me on my first interview with him;
that is he read part of it, the part referring to Mr..
stenger, and admitted it was mistake
o. You stated II know it is wrong am going to
fix it up?' A. / told him knew it was wrong and
that intended TO correct it.
Q. Did he tell you where to get copy? A. He
told me my affidavit in the hands of the
committee and that could get it from some of the
democratic members.
.. How long it before you did fix it. up? A.
Oh, say two weeks.
BUTLER RAISING scene"
Mr. Butler Ito wtness)-I want to know if you
took any steps knowing this had been injured.
to correct the injury before 1t reached the public?
A. No. SIR did not publish anything until arter the
affidavit appeared in the newspapers.
@. You knew this affidavit had been handed to
General Sherman? A. Yes, sir.
Q. Have you called on him? A. No; never
@. Did you go to Mr.. shellabarger and say Don't
use that affidavit. 1t is all wrong, all lie 1t will
hurt Mr.. StengerI? A. No. sir; never did; do not
say it is all a lie.
General Butler-Is it not lie
Witness-Iet me tell you this; do not think you
should stand up here and insult me.
!. General Butler-But we both agree that it il a lie.
witness say it is a mistake. You have the adj
vantage of me now. and you know it. You cannot
tell me it is lie outsidsof this room.
General Butlcr-But this was sworn untruth,
and you let it go out without taking means to.
rect it. and you now say nobody could talk to you
like that outside of this room. is that answer?
A. think you treating me rather rough. and
am in the habit of being treated in that way let
me tell You.
General Butler repeated the first part of his ques-
ton. Witness said ne didn't believe he should answer
again, and nobody should make-lmuttering some
thing about a damned fine thing Being pressed he
appealed TO the Chairman. again saying he had no in
teftion doing Mr.. tenger injustice. and that it
was mistake and not lie. The Chairman told him
he must answer the question: but General Butler
helped the witness out of his difficulty by putting
the question in another form, and witness stated
that he informed Governor Cox that the afhdavit
wrong before he saw ii published.
BUYING WITNESSES.
General Butler continued the cross-examnation.
and in reply to him witness said that while in New
Orleans he gave Mr. Stcnger to understand that he
(witness had to buy witnesses that he bought Arm
stead and stewart and that Swayze wanted 81 900 for
his testimony he never told Mr.. Stenger right out,
except about the last named witness.
Mr.. Hiscock-You assumed. when talking with Mr..
Stenger that he knew much about what was being
done with these witnesses AZ Maddox did.
The Chairman--That is not what he says though.
Mr.. Hiscock-I believe it is what he means. Did
you. Mr.. st. Martin Witness-Yes. sir.
Mr. Hiscock-when you made that affidavit you had
concluded, from certain facts that Mr.. Stenger knew
the witnesses were being corrupted? A. Yes.
Mr. springer-You say in your affidavit that during
the entire session of the committee in New Orleans
Messrs. Maddox, Gibson and Carter were busy in
ucncing the witnesses by means of offers of money
How do you know Mr.. Gibson doing it, A.
Well he did it with me- and could Judge from that
o. Did you him influencing others? A. No.
SIR but all the others got their money from him to
Mr. Hiscock-You were drawing your conclusion
from these facts. A. Yes
Mr.. Springer-Ihcn ~ ~ not true! A. mink IL Is
true.
O. What want the witness to to is facts, not
conclusions. A. Well. saw him pay Swayze; he did
not hand the money to him: 1t was handed to him
by tiibson's orders though.
The Chairman-I have asked Mr.. Acklcn whether
he the telegram which has been referred to, and
now beg to hand 10 over. The telegram was rs fol-
Iowa.
NV ORLEANS Oct. 81, 1878.
To A. VI. GIBSON. Corcoran Building. ", Is. C. -
What action do contemplate IN Weber's case Con
slider that 81 80 might settle IL. j. VI. ACkLEN,
This was the answer
WAsHiScroS. Nov l. 1878.
To Hon. !. VI. AckirR. New Orleans
despatch purportng 10 he signed by received
office Lass night during absence. u relates
subject with which have nothing to do and contains
proposition which could not entertain; under the circum
stances unless hns used your name, have
been grossly imposed upon. A. VI. g.
The Chairman--Did you tell Mr.. Marks about the
telegram A. Yes, sr but | do not remember
telling him the answer.
Mr.. Hiscock then proposed the following resolu-
toni
Whereas there mas been published the andav Of JAMES