The Anderson intelligencer. [volume] (Anderson Court House, S.C.) 1860-1914, 1879-05-08
ANDERSON, S. c., THURSDAY, MAY s, 1879.
BUTLER ANSWERS BLAINE.
The Judge HdEger-Mugger' Under Discus
sion.-onc Instance when the Senator
from Maine met his Match.
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Mr.. Butler: Mr.. President, will make
but one single remark in reply to the
senator from Maine South Carolina is
quite able to take care of herself without
any suggestions or reflections of that sem
ator; and fortunately for us there is
nothing to sustain the charge which he
makes, except his own statements, and if
they are not more correct than q great
many others that he has made in this
Chamber they will not go for very much.
Now, Sir, l said that so far as Smalls and
Cardozo were concerned, his friends, it
was determined weeks ago, l think, that
they should be pardoncd.
Mr.. Blaine: Did the public know any
thing about it?
Mr.. Buffers do not know that the
public knew anything of it.
Mr.. Blaine: Does the senator state
that the public in any way knew any
thing about it?
Mr.. Butler: do not know whether the
public knew anything about it, and do
not care.
Mr.. Blaine: That is the very point of
the whole thing.
Mr.. Butler: And I undertake to say
that the cases against Mr.. Chamberlain
and against the others have not been dis
continued. Therefore the statement
made by the senator is not true.
Mr.. Blaine: only stated what was in
the public prints. That was all.
Mr.. Butler: Precisely; but the senator
gets up and makes these statements with
out regard to whether they are true or
not, but so far as he is concerned he
stands sponsor for them. As 1 said,
fortunately for South Carolina, there is
nothing to sustain the charge which he
makes against her except his own un-
supported statement. There has been
no discontinuance of the prosecutions
against those persons. I hope the time
will come when they will all be discon-
tinued, in the interest of peace. / have
advised it for the last twelve months, and
shall continue to advise it; and if the
senator denounces it as a bargain, let
Linn denounce it. 1 think, Mr.. Presi-
dent, the people of South Carolina can
take care of her interests and her honor
Just as we'll without the dictation of the
honorable senator as with it; and yet he
has been hurling again and again his
anathemas against her, which, l submit,
if he will pardon me for saying so, is not
becoming an American Senator. l un-
derstanG that Cardozo and Smalls have
been pardoned, and l am glad they have
been pardoned, but the cases against the
others have not been discontinued. l
think they all ought to be, and, if 1 am
not very much misinformed, the honor
able senator had the same opinion twelve
months ago.
Mr.. Blaine: They never ought to have
been commenced. That is the opinion of
"the honorable senator, if you want 10
hear it. ..-.
Mr.. Butler: All, Mr.. President, they
ought never to have been commenced,
nor ought many of the prosecutions in
the United States Courts ever to have
been commenced. When the senator
talks about bargain having been made
in regard to the Ellenton prisoners, and
some dispatches sent from Washington
by the Executive, does the honorable
senator know that the Chief Justice of
the United States was presiding at those
trials? Would he make bargain? Does
the honorable senator charge that upon
him?
Mr.. Blaine: Does the honorable sena-
tor from South Carolina know that the
Chief Justice said it was impossible to
procure conviction?
Mr.. Butler: No, sir.
Mr.. Blaine: He did say so, sir.
Mr.. Butler: l know nothing of the
kind, Mr.. President, but do know this
that there were trials of thirteen of those
prisoners and a mistrial; and if any bar
gain was made, upon the head of the
Chief Justice must the charge Of the SEN
ator fall, because he was there presiding
in that court, aud I know that twelve
men tried and a mistrial was the result
oft. What may have been the opinion
of the Chief Justice upon that subject l
do not know, but perhaps the senator
does.
Mr.. Blaine: This is o question of fact:
it is question of debate upon evidence
gathered before committee of the Sen
| lLe anu dul HUI W US uStCliCu houi
discussing that by the gentleman trying
to arraign me for abusing South Carroll
ma. 1 have said not one word about
South Carolina nor about any officer of
South Carolina other than that which is
contained in the report of a special COM
mittee of the Senate, and do not propose
to be dragged unnecessarily into any per-
sonal iusues outside of that. l hold the
senator 10 the record, l hold him to the
testimony of man for whose veracity he
stands sponsor and voucher, and l ask
him not to answer me by stating any
thing in the shape of menace; l ask him
to answer a reputable citizen of his own
State at the bar of the Senate.
Mr.. Butler: Mr.. President, it certain
ly is not my habit, it never has been my
habit to utter menace against anybody,
much less against senator on this floor.
1 have uttered no menace against the
/ honorable senator from Maine. If there
has been any menacing in this debate, it
has come from him. l understand the
honorable senator to refer to certain dis
graceful transactions by the authorities
of South Carolina, and now he rises and
says that he has never arraigned that
State. If that is not an arralgnment,
submit to the honorable senator he HIM
self does not understand the English lam
guage.
Mr.. Blaine: IF the senator will permit
me at that point, | stated to the honora-