New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1879-03-22
such as made him fit subject for Botany BAY. /
would say. In the name of God, 90 to the Columbia
Riverp What kind OF sense had q man like that ~

greater Republic, shaking of the narrow prejudices
and quarrels which ragged east of the Mississippi.
saw that no great men had lived since the Revou-
tlonary War. The organizers Of our Government
were a set Of giants, and their work had run INTO
the hands of puddle of politicians. ! thought to
myself, There is great world out yon;
der for somebody to organizeF They would
WSI as an aTyentUrer They laughed at me when
came back from Oregon, and | just sat down at
the brink of the plains, and made my nome near
Kansas CITY, Mo-, from 1S4l TO 1861, and began 20
travel. write, fight and lecture and work up the
Western feeling. assisting to make the Mexican
War; aud after that was over, when the discovery
of gold in California took il all around Cape
Horn or the Isthmus, and left us on the plateau
high and dry, paving 100 per cent for our money
thcp worked up the Pixies Peak gold disc3yerics,
and after that the Pacific Railroad. With the same
sObrety am now telling you that the issues Oh our
real public life not 10 be found here, but on, De-
yond Kansas and Nebraska. on the high lands"
>" Do You believe III the forc'Dle annexation Vi
NO: don't believe in war as a wise mans in
strumentaty. Intercourse will bring Mexico 10
sooner than yOu think"
"Why! Since they threw off the Spanish yoke
they have always maintained Republic based on
our institutions. We laugh at them because
priests. traitors. etc. interrupt their destiny; 1et
look at Europe, where for thousands oa
years they have been trying TO Introduce some
principles of human rights, and every now ana tneh
a Louis Napoleon, or KING William, or Don Carlos'
VIII rise up ami put them back where they e0 on.
properly shot and the corpse politely returncd Our
own Illinois and Indiana population was CONSIDERED
thirty forty years ago, 10 be worse than the pres
ent MeXiCans.'
- Have YOU confidence in the Me1icans OF New,
Mexico and other portions of our own territory
How will they work up a citizens 7 -,
" How did the CreOes in Louisiana and the McX-
leans in California work upi" answered Mr.. Gil
pm. A., 1,.,,io. 7orr;tor,. ?,
hot neet If M4sgaPunSPttSV
Indians there. 1t will be the same thing with the
Indian Territory. some Indians will always exist
as they still exist in Massachusetts, and newborn.
Ihave seen 100000 Indians fade away where now
are 1000 towns
THE PLAINS IN THE REBELLIoS
"What public men besides Benton helped out
your problem Of the new West
Even Benton went back on We wanted the
line of 90 40, and got it into the Democratic
platform in 1914. The saltwater poll
ticians were afraid of war, and abandoned
us for the line of 40. In those early DAYS
simon Cameron was our consistent friend. He
had influence in Poik's administration and con-
trolled several Senators. flanagan and Bright, of
Indiana Bill Allen, of Ohio, Breese and Semple, OF
Illinois Lewis Cass and Linn, of Missouri, stuck 10
us. If We had got our true line, British Columbia
would not now iuterpose between us and Alaska.
"You have been living on the onter edge OF MIS-
souri, for a great part of your llfeT
"Yes; | lived near Kansas City, around lndepen-
dence, from 1871 to 1861. was almost member
OF Bentons family. and took Frank Blair ana Grat7
Brown off 10 the Mexican War with me. ] belonged
to the Free SOIL Democrats and was ordered to leave
Missouri during the Kansas War. When appointed
by MIR. Lincoln to proceed T. ColoL9do; the rebels
the tram last preceding the attack on tine troops IN
Baltimore. | found IN Colorado rebel govern
mcnt, many Of the United states Officers traitors
and the Texans marching on all our depots OF sup
ples | did not have a cent and was
Obliged to draw warrants on the treasury
for ammunition, supplies, clothing etc. ana
trust t. my necessity to have them paid. ! raised
a force of Union pioneers VINO marched INTO
New-MrXlco after SbIcy had whipped Us at Val
Verde and at GlOrietta Canon our volunteers Grove
them back. was only Governor one year. but The
rebellion never came on the plains again.
Mr.. Giipm pad no high compliment to the Iate
General Candy, who " sat on the fence, Mt. GIIiln
said. until he saw where the prospects were the
best The best fighting was done by General
Slough, volunteer, who was aiterWard Killed at
1.-The iohberS and contractors in Colorado" said
Gilpin, took advantage of Mr.. L.ncolns worry and
troiIDl to have me removed drawing those war
rants which saved the interior of the continent, r.
deemed santa Fe scared the Indians, and kept the
rebels from getting enough OF our military
supplies ID Fort Union To equip an army.
The jobbcrs ran down Tie credit OF those
warrants and then bought them MP Tor song,
well knowing that they were thoroughly legal. /
had bought nothing by contract, Hut drew q war
rant on tie SPOT for al my supplies the other
band went into the contract system, multiplied
their -Tcsnnacks; and hen funded them and started
was to alter tue route the UaIOn Pacific Railroad
RAILWAY AND BIG GRAMS.
Governor Gllpln gave the following curious ex-
planotjon The Intention Of the Pacific
Railroad" he said, was to pick mp the set
Elements along the fortcth parallel of latitude, and
biud them together; the forcth is the great paral-
lei for large cities and human energy around the
world However, q lot Of Canadian schcmers
had begun a vast system of railroads III Canada aud
desi gHed to run 10 the ldcltG. They Lad borrowed
and spent SD 0OO,O 900, and being svampcd, con-
cluded to make the American Pacific Railroad sub
ordinate to their line and run 1t past To the lakes.
The man who engineered TINS thing about " a,nlng-
road run north Of Denver, of the rich re-
gion of Kansas and of the true centre OF
the continent, made plenty of money and got my
Office IOu perceive that we now only lack tan
10 have belt OF states across this continent. We
got Iowa i'm IN 1916 Then California was made,
long and strong the width of the Unlon nearly, on
he pacltic coast. Oregon was appended. linen.
after pucEY struggle, Kansas was carved ont, ana
Nevada and Nebraska were admitted. Al last COZ
orado came IN the Union. Only 800 miles, there
FORE separate the great LVdldC O. inc SCdlco dCIosS
Ought Utah to be admitted77
WHY motif Those people were the first pioneers.
knew them when they were around me at INDIE
pendcucc, Mo, and when Brigham Young
was one Of their obscure men. PoyGamy
always regarded as mere bnsintas ere rIs-
ment, meeting the want Of every new Ter
ritory-a want of women. 1t Is very hard to make
men 20 ont IN the mountains and create society
without females. The Momous provided Tor that.
guess poly gamy Is about done. don't think they
care ANYTHING more about It. We admitted 1000
600 negroes nearly all poygamlsts. to citizenship.
- Have You kept up your reading IN your isolated
lifeY
"Ycs, sir; / have had the best tutors. Ny
schOolma>teT was Alexander Dallas Bache. !
learned the military art from St. Nran ana
nature from HUMBOLDT. There must be hole
in my heart big enough to put your hand
in ever, since the, loss of my brother
Henry, library. He had l. 600 books, winch
helped TO select through a life me. and |
designed TO buy the whole and transfer II 10 Den
yer The book spectators, however, put mp the
prices beyond my means at that time, and no" 1t
is gone forever"
" How did you get Your fine grant of land
" was out in that country before We tO9h II from
Mexico. and had a Mexican citizen apply for the
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