The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1879-04-04
MR.. HALLOCK'S TESTIMONY.
he SAYS he DID NOT CONE TO PRAY,
But TO TELL THE TRUTH

The ninth day of the trial Of Dr. Talmage
on charges Of falsehood and deceit was opened
yesterday Mt precisely 8 P. NJ. The Second
Presbyterian Church. which s nearly half n
century old. was gloomy inside. and the Pres
byters came in damp and with dripping umbrel-
las. The April shower did not deter the usual
women attendants from appearing in their
seats. and an eager throng pressed in toward the
close. expecting more Of the excitement that
the audience had enjoyed on the day before
After the Rev. Charles Woods prayer Presby-
ter Jones. whose hair and beard are svery
white. said that the disgraceul scenes OF
Wednesday brought reproach on the Preshytery
and they certainly caused much derision and
sneerlng ut tho body. both inside and outside
He moved that no questions be asked by the
counsel which were not relevant to the charges.
and none intended TO confuse the witnesses
He did hope that some dignity and decency
would be observed that their proceedings
would comport with the character Of a court Of
the Lord Jesus Christ He thought that tho
counsel ought not to investigate the business Of
any man. and for the sake Of common decency
and the cause OF humanity and tho Master he
hoped there would be more respect and dignity
In the proceedings.
Moderator Ludlow said that the question of
the relevancy Of testimony must be detrrmi med
% 1t lie presented. The examination Of the wit
nesses must be left 10 the courtesy Of counsel
He deprecated any resolution on the subject.
and thought that 40 much reference Ms had been
made 10 II would serve to remedy the evil com
planned Of. The motion was then withdrawn.
Mr.. J. N. Haock stepped to the stand. and
Mr.. Willard in resuming his cross-examina-
ton called Mr.. Hallocks attention to DR.. Tai
IMAGES announcement from the pulpit that the
reason he had left the Christian at Work was
because sale Of the paper had been effected
surrepttiousy to the publisher OF Unitarian
paper. The examination closed the day before
when Mr.. Hallock was asked to point out the
alleged falsehoods in the utterance.
Q.-Have you stated on this trial that DR.. Tai
mage had told any falsehoods2 Al have not
said yesterday. and that's what any to-day It
was falschood that DR.. Talmage uttered on
with an advertisement for the .Adrance. as his
valedtctorg did. Then he sud this change was
not sudden. That is tho first fAsehood II IL
wasn't sudden don't ow what sudden" is.
vas u the night NpboIy knew H..
TO select thu statements that you say are false.
Mr.. Hallock-Tnat is n hood. or 10 not
kRow the meaning q The Word talsehoGsd;
Christian nj Work had been surreptitiousiy
sold. That's another talsehood. Again I"ai-
another ialsehood. for had tod him myscL
The Moderator-stop. now, Dontargue it,.
publisher oi Unitarian paper" ! was not the
publisher Of the Unitarian paper. don't know
wh1ether Dr. Talmase knew IL but it was 2
was going 70 have the Christian al Work turned
over 70 the Un'tarlans was Tie worst fals"hood
on the part Of the purchaser that | would 20
with IT," That's true. ] did expect he would
go with H. (AgAin rradng;l Alter that sur
reptitious act considered nv obligations to
the paper had ceased once and forever" That's
fasehood again. There Was no'surreutitious
sale about H. There are six ialsehoods there
In AL -, 49,,
lard about the interview on I. O. 1876. in the
Astor House. when he prosecuted 70 DR.. Tai.
mage an agreement to sign. the witness said
that he was, going 70 tell i nll o., nothing, e.
mean TO tell you the truth said Mr. Hallock.
Just as have done right along through the
Moderator Ludlow said that he felt sympathy
with the witness. but
Mr.. Hallock-I don't need any sympathy and
The Moderator said that the witness was ties.
ufyinR to matters In which he was interested.
and was naturally excited.
Mr.. Hallock-oh. I'm not excited. tLaughter.l
The Modsiatur-You cannot be permitted TO
40 in your answers beyond the question. We
cannot allow comments.
Mr.. HHllock-I must answer the question in
my Gym way. Then. jumping NJ and facing
the Moderator. he aided -Xc,te,lly; Il didn't
here 70 tell the truth; and Il you augh. or II
you hiss. ! can't help IT, l don't want your
laughter. and ! don't wgnt your Kisses. But
I'm going To trll the truth tclUppin- his hands
together loudly. aud I'm going 20 tell IL in my
own way Moderator. Presbytery. or ANYBODY
The Moderator-We want the whole truth.
Mr. Hglock-Al nGht' Pm glad TO hear it.
The Modrrator-But t." witnesses answers
must BE- limited t. the questions.
The Wtness-The negotiations with Mr..
Remington were going right along be'ore thit
meeting with DR.. Talma2e n the City Hall PARK.
] was trying TO get Sir. Remington down 10
point where could buy I. On Monday. o I. Q.
told DR.. TAlmuge definitely mat md bought
the paper. think h. wrote me the next day.
ana IHt.d ne paper me day ht tor on purposr;
bought III. paper, and he was morally bound 10
remain with IT, | bought the pater with the
distinct understanding that DR.. lalmuge WIS
going 10 be IL editor. never thought OF any
thing else. might possibly lave said 10 Mr..
Remington that nothing would Interfere with
asked me whether ltwoud niHkeuny difference
70 me whether Dr.. Taimare would, stay or not.
II be- had should have said No."
The witness grew more excited, quilted his
seat and walked 10 the edge of the platform.
whore he stood with his right hand in the air
and began To make explanations.
Git down" said Nj. Van Dyke.
The witness took his seat and made replies
too rapid 70 BE- reported 10 a serirs Of questions
by Mr.. Willard ending up one sentence by saw
Ing thnt II Pr I.lnale ala gqt mean 10 remain
have said so. and then he tNlr Hallock) would
not have bought it. But If he had wanted to 10
dishonest thing. after promising 10 work n
year for nothing. and alter receiving an offer
OF salary OF $4,000. be would have acted as he
had; and" added Mr.. Haock with shake
Of his head. he ga adishonest thing. That's
The Moderator-Please not to make any COM
ments.
The Wilness-I can't help it. sir. am sorry
Q.-What dld you understand that Dr. Tai
mage meant by writing 70 you TO he non-com-
initial to Mr. E,mingtqnf A-Iruth always
Dir. Raminsion, anti i if DR.. Talmaas na INV iod
the truth too, there would have been no con
1 tft | n TOD Mr. Remington lae eAa't truth
amount Of capital, d0nI say that u was a e
nut II was a. srnn9 .2ql"nt way OF sprHAing.