The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1879-02-06
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Telegram received too late to answer last night Don't
% s9sTGnd PS yqs want IS me 70 60 s 9G 7
dollars ior rving us two or trcc electors The inter,
eeder viii want something besides. think dhcusann
to say the least are Indifferent
Wtness-I do not say 1t ia correct. but the
general idea In reference to money agrees with
Q..wlo was the intercodor" mentloned2
Q.-What aid from the Hampton party did you
| eNpectY A.-Wcll. no money aid The idea In
tended to be conveyed thero is that there was
| sentiment that tho Hampton pnrty were taking
care OF themselves. l merely repeated the
rumor
Q.-You mean securing the State for them
by Mr. IIlscoci q. On the State tlcket2 A.
Yes. sir. That IL, what it had reference to If
Q.-Can YOU explain how that demand came
TO you} We'll. the same as the others; OF
personally made The dcmand OF me. but the
intimqtion was brought tQ me.
Q.-By Mr. Solomon2 A.-No sir.
| Q.-WhO was MIR. solomon A.-A large
merchant. and wholesale grocer living in
| Columbia, man who said he was worry intimate
| With all those gentlemen. and who | think. from
BY iMr. springc What req-on had you
the Returning Board? Al saw him frequently
| in cOnsuliation with certain ones OF them. and
saw them wait for him, apparently wait Tor him
until he gotthr0ugh his talk, and then no would
Cha talk with you, do you mean2 Any
Q.-State any other facts within your knowl-
| odSo that led you to believe he WAS authorized
from Baltimore good doal about his relations
with them,,with the different members Of the
| Returping Board.
ODD he mention the nnmos OF any he was
especially authorized to act torf Ayes. air.
| Q.-MhOm did he mention A.-lle mentioned
th9 name OF the member whom he did his
,,Q.-Whai was his namo? A.-Hs name was
Dunn, the Comptrollcr-General Of the state.
| .Q.-NhO constituted the state ClnVaSsng
Board at that time; A.-Dunn. state Comutroller;
9mnn by the name Of Stone. think it was.
Attorney General, both white. men; Mr.. Car
dozo. State Treasurer; Mr.. Hainc or Haincs.
titlc | think was Auditor General. though /
Q,-You spoke Of three. in one edspatch. being
secure, you said. " for giving W. two or three
electors" What three electors did they propose
% count inP A.-Thcy stated through this Mr.;
division ot their state, they had failed to vote
i3r three of the electors, or number OF the
| Hayes electors. and that gave that number OF
Iildon electors some 200 or 1900 majority on
the iacc Of the returns.
Odd you examine the returns as sent to
see II that statement was truo or falsey Al
did not. sir The original returns did. the
copies, moro or less. which were In the Demo-
ODD they show that fact? An my recol-
lection serves mo right, thoy showed that In
certain localities they did not vote for-I forget
II II was I've electors. but. any way. that there
wore certain ones away behind.
Glow long were you negotiating with Solo
mon with reference 10 this Returning Bonrd
A.-Well. pretty. much all tho time from Mon
Q.-Who introduced you to him? Al do
not think | WIS formally presented to him by
Q.-Did you know him bciore' A.-No. sir
/ never saw him before. nor have seen him
since left the Union square Hotel
Q.-lou must have been informed by some
body about him A.-Oh, | kncwyery well who
he was. He had been President Of large bank
therc, which had failed. and he was noted
man in All the carpct-ba governments thorc.
,Q-from all you saw and heard. had you any
doubt that this man had right to negotiate for
by Mr.. Springcr-tQ State how II happened
time to time ua,ii ,S sum cf isoS a%sSi ,hiS iISt 4
wns-wns mentioned Your recollection is
rs against the rendition oi the dispatches. but |
cannot ,.el ,ros.tiyrly from my recollection
| alone. The demands were in'rcnsed simply by
the man coming and sayln. they asked more
and more.
.Q.-Dd Mr. solomon toll you how i was to bo
divided among The members ot the Boardy \.
! think h. did rs near "a. ho know. he said.
,Q.-Mhat dld he say about ~ Al don't
worry similar division O. the story toll Oi the
white man ami th, Indinu-thut tie white man
was going 90 yet tine most Of II. That was the
gl-t Of Whai Ae said.
% -Wha, portion vas solomon 10 got? A
Ny impression Is @jOUJ-iAat that Is what he
.Q.~What reasons have you to believe that Il
The money h1d boon furnished "a" SiatN would
have h'cn countri-or a portion OF the electors
r.turuel-tur the ltdnn cl"torsf A.-Meli.
Wfi | SAW lli 'l' nav ~ VA lt INItll COM
yiurci me-. Aucw. 20 fact. that Mr.. Dunn and
Mr. solomon were in cios' communication: and
got the iniormniion from solomon: and the
i"f tnW d" Wa- anxious tp carry ont the ar,
rnugemcnt. and the money was not 10 be paid
: over until the thing WAS done. He was wiling
3 To have II pat up anywhere - long as lts pay
mont was -nic after the goods were delivered rs
he stated it, All these facts were convincing to
me.
Q.-IIe was willing not to receive a cent until
8 certain number of riiden electors had been
Q"And he told YOU the Republicans were
after tho Boardf An general way he said
, that other people were after thcm. and showed
me dispatches from these urging settlement
because the other side were pressing them hard
-" pressing the Canvassing Board hard -
: Odd ho say that the offers being made by
ne other side were OF money or OF oineesf A.
, He told me-yos-l can give his words. but the
general idea was Offices and money both. That
1 was a." general impression down there when
Odd ho state the names Of those who were
, | Offering them money or places in behalf ot the
Hayes electorsl Al do not think he did. sir
r Chnmberlan? A.-No Sir ] DO not think he
Q did lie showed me- no signatures at all
: | Q.-Chamharlatn was in OH ~ NJ the time
| was n" notf A.-Hc WAS acting Governor then
! | This all happened before the question was dc
{ | terminrl NJ 10 who was Governor oven.
4 Q.-lt IL your opinion then, Mr.. Weed. from
% | all tho fnrts and circumstAn' 'es within youl
@ knowledge that if the money had been paid
I | portion of tho South Carolina electors wuull
o been counted Tor the rildrn electors2
? Mr. kaed olYeNed 10 tho question: ana Mr
|
4 ! Then Mr.. Stenger revived II. md sharp dis
cussiOn on its HdmssihilitY followed. Finally
o by direction % the Chairman. the question was
admlttrd.l
a Witness II was my opinion Mt the time, an,
= | have never changed IL since.
Il By Mr. Springer-Q. State what conversation
@ YOU had in Baltimore with Col. pehon rcAtv,
TO these transactions with the Returning Board
o A--lmmedintely upon finding me- he said tn,
- Oil man had got hold of some Information
O." Tho old man !" Who did he refer 10
It Al understood Gov. Tildrn-and no MAJ
r, have said Gov. Tildrn in the course ot the con
n yersatiOn. but think II was the old man hI
j. said. And he had received two dispatches. on
(, from Mr.. CoOprr-thAt no money could he pnl,
h and he must break Of the negotiations and th
other from GOV. Tildrn. or sOmrho ~ ol-o to
him-l didn't see the despatrhes-thM he WIN
required 10 return Immediately 60 New York
e Q-Was Mr.. solomon present M that time
to Ale was IN tho city, but not present at thi
II conversation
t Q-Mhut conversation did You have then will
!, Nj. SoomOn2 Al told him, within nm hour
that We could not accept tho pr9pos.tion thu
, wo could not raise the money. Hrthen desire,
- To come 10 New York; and finally after tol,
him did not think II could ba done. still h
hOued II could, and came on To New York.
\. Q.-lluw many interviews did YOU have will
" him during his stay in the city of New York
m A.-Wcll. | should say do2eu, lie was hor
f. ll N.