Daily globe., 1879-06-08
never been offered ANYTHING to vote for Ke

never been offered anything to vote for Kel-
logg? A. No, sir.s
q. Then you were in point OF fact paid $ZOO
to vote for Kellogg? A. No, sir.
Q. What is the reason? A. I cannot an
swcr.
@. But you made bargains A. 1t was no
bargain. #
Q. You gave vote, didn't you? A.
voted because the Republicans voted that way.
@. You were promised money for voting
that way? A. No, sir.
@. What did you say to that, no? A. stated
that a man told me to vote for Kellogg and
would get 5000.
@. Who was the man? A. G. L. Smith, a
member of Congress.
@. What else did he promise you? A. He
did not tell me anything else.
Q. What had he to do with this business of
Kellogg's election? a. Nothing beyond his
private interests as Republican.
By MIR. Merrick-Question. Ifyou had $l700,
what were you dickering about for? A. Twas
not dickering. The Nichols legislature were
don't understand the word dicker. Webster
hasn't got such a word.
@. Well, we don't know SO much about
that as the descendant of Sir Hugh De
Lacy, of course but what do YOU call it?
A.. always worked for my money and made
it honestly.
@. You call that honest. do you? A., That
was politics. CLaughter).
y. Then you would have refused that
money because it too small an amount?
A. l wouldn't take it because I didn't want
1t. When my party is at stake, don't want
to sell 1t for money.
Q. You agreed to sell it for 5000? A..
didn't make any agreement. When the vote
was announced, l rose up and changed my
vote from blank to Kellogg.
y. When Smith left you, was it not with
the understanding you would vote for Kellogg?
A. No, sir; he said would get 5000, but I
didn't.
Q. You didn't put that fact in an affidavit?
A. No, sir.
Reading from afidavit-Herbert. Who is
Herbert? 1 don't know any man by that
name. ..#.
Q. L. D. Herbert? A. know L. D. Her
bert.
@. That's another man, suppose? Laugh
ter) A. Yes, sir; he lives in New Orleans. 1
don't know his business. Witness further test
ifed: Demas paid me $500 for myself and
colleagues. Demas was Republican. He was
in the Nichols legislature. He was acting for
the Democratic party. I talked with him
about voting for Spofford on the Goth of April.
We had little caucus We met at the request
OF Demas. had then gone over to the Mich
oils legislature. We were all members of the
Nichols legislature. He came in and stated
that arguments had been made fer the caucus,
and why he wanted US to vote for Spofford.
@. II the Nichols legislature had govern
ment and Spofford was nominated by the
Democratic caucus, didn't he have enough
votes. A. Yes; but he wanted to get Republi-
can votes.
@. If one man was certain of getting
enough votes for election cannot see why he
wanted to give $3.50 for votes. Did he give
$3.50 apiece for other darkies? A. don't
know what he gave to darkies.
Q. They were all darkies, wern't they? A.
There were some colored men.
.. Did they all get the same, and they we're
! at least twenty? A. Fifteen or twenty. They
got $500 for two. didn't say they all got it,
That was what got, and the arrangement was
made in presence Of the rest.
Q. suppose it was graded by the price of
Kellogg votes? A. Well, don't know what
the market price was.
| their hands to get members to go over to the
Nichols legislature? A. The Democrats
said SO. t
@. They were paid to go over and after they
got the money to go back to the Packard legis-
lature. Is that it? A. Yes.
Q. Haven't you said you were going to stand
by the statement and swear to it? A. Yes;
told Cavanac would swear to the statement
| made. He came to me while before the com
| mittee met to-day, and asked me, and said ]
| was going to stand by the statement.
=. Do you mean you were going to swear to
it, and you are now willing to say it was true;
A.. am on oath now.
Q. Then you did not feel obliged to tell the
truth because you were not on oath? A. was
| just talking with him.
Q. Then you are at liberty to tell a lie if you
are not on oath? A. When I am not on oatt
can tell. ANY thing please. 10
| q. Whether it is a lie or the truth? A. Yes
| sir: like to tell social lie once in
have got con science as well as any one else.
y Q. Is 1t a matter of clear conscience to tel
a lie when you are talking about business? A
It isn't a matter of clear conscience, but car
tell man what choose when I am talking
with him; but when 1 get to swearing it is diff
ferent then.
Q. Did you mean you were going to swea,
to it? A. l told him I would swear by it.
| Q. Didn't you mean you would swear to it!
A. That might Interpret a nearing.
Q. DIDN'T you mean that? A. I suppose SO
@. Don't you know SO? A. Yes. Daughter.
@. Now didn't you know as we'll then as
now whether it was true or false? A. Yes.
@. Is it true or false? A. That is ques
tion with myself.
@. No, it is a question to answer. A. 1t i
false.
! Q. Then you told him you were going t
swear to a falsehood? A. No, sir. I said
would stand by it.
@. You meant him to understand it so
Didn't Cavanac say he wanted you to say
there was anything untrue in it so he coul
know what you were going to swear? A. Nc
he told me he wanted me to stick and be firm
Witness further testified: Have been in th
custom house since May first; resigned las
week; my place is not kept open for me.
resigned because I was summoned as witnes
here; could not hold my place and come he;
as witness.
@. Couldn't person keep his place ther
and be witness too? A. Idare say he coulc
but didn't look at it that way. There al
two or three other custom house employe
here not a. witnesses. We stop at the sam
house, sit down together, talk together, have
social chat some times. Never inquire
whether they have any business here or no
Think Lewis has business with oecretary Shel
man, don't know. Dare say b. has. He let
on the same train with me from New Orleans
1 do say it was dangerous to go out on th
out after absent members. He was not hur
I think it was dangerous for Republican men
bers to go out.
CHARLES CAvANAc.
Called, testified he lived in New Orlean
Was interested in gathering testimony fl
DeLacy. Came to him and offered to make af
davit. Witness told him he only wanted tt
truth to make this strange announcement b
cause the negro members Of the ,legislatul
down there expected money for everythir
they did, and he wanted it understood at ii
start there was no money in it. DeLacy to
e him his story of bribery by Kellogg and wi
+ ness said, 'That's a good story; go and think
l over and come back tomorrow" DeLacy can
: next day and renewed his offer. He drew
;. memorandum book out of his pocket and fro
Y it's contents dictated statement which Fit
3 patrick took down. DeLacy went before
9 magistrate and swore to his signature Is pc
, tive he took the oath on the bible. Witne
identified the affidavit already in evidence
, the one dictated and signed by DeLacy.
e THOMAS MURRAY
= called on behalf of the contestant: Had
# fused yesterday to state the facts about t
affidavit, but was ready to do SO now. De La