New-York tribune., 1879-04-10
THE PROCEEDINGS.

THE PROCEEDINGS.
After the ordinary preliminary proceedings
Mr. McCullagh called the Rev. DR.. Van Dyke as
witness He testified that he had been member OF the
Presbytery since 1870. He first met Mr.. Hathaway In
the Spring of 1876 and conversed with HIM later In
that wear in reference to his going to Princeton lie
gave him letter Of introduction to the professors
there.
o-Is that your article IN The PRESBYTERIAN handing
the witness printed paperi A.-Yes, SIR that Is cut
from my own scrap-book, with my ENDORSEMENT on H.
entitled Brooklyn Churches and Books"
Tee article here offered in evidence, and read py
Mr. McCullagh. 1t stated among other things'
that Mr. Talmage was a popular preacher; his
audience was numbered by thousands and the
additions TO his church by hundreds Ihe seats
in his church were nomnaly Free thought always re-
ceiyed from regular attendants under the name OF SUD
scriptons what other churches called pew rents Anu
vet he church had rolled IN five years an Increase o
indebtedness of so OOO making the entire debt over
500 OOO and was compelled to borrow money
for lis running expenses at per cent u
month. The article also spoke at lenSth III
regard to work wr1tten by Dr. Butler ana Dr. spear
book ON Religion and the state" During the reading
the moderator objec ed the ground that the whole
article was not important Ar McCullach said that the
witness wished have the whole read In order 10 re-
veal his anImus in writing the article.
DR.. spear-That is an improper remark.
Mr. McCullaGh-Then 1 say that the whole Is neces-
sary.
Dr. Van DYKE to the moderator)-I desire to have the
entire article read.
Odd YOU ever correct any statements in this arti
cle7 Al never made any corrections | believed II
To be correct and believe stl After an interview
with Dr. Talmage which failed to get the facts and
d,ures I ublished a card Withdrawing the statement
about the Tabernacle, although said that believed II
tO DO true.
TALMAGE's OPINION OF HATHAWAY.
III, I1r To lu4typ aft VplCl
his housel Al called because Of an article III The
PreSbsteran mpeaching the statements Of my article
As soon as | received the paper l went to DR.. Tai
mage's house, but was unable 10 see him. returned
10 my study and in about hour Dr. Ialmage called
He began by denouncng the correctness Of my article
saia IL was all wrong. He declined to give
me the correct statement and allow me
nv authority Tor making the statement. said that
knew the facts from Ihelr common hOtOIcty anu Ioni
Of the present officers. ne delahGtd H Muo IieS
was one and SAID, No. but added: once staied
10 Hathaway my understanding of the matter; he made
no answer. and took his silence Tor consent" " Now,
said Dr. Talma gr, VIII tell YOU something lhat you
ochI 10 know about Hathaway" and lie proceeded 10
state that Hathaway a dishonest and untrutniul
nnn1 away from Brooklyn in debt all
the town; that the Tabernacle had had great
difficulty aud embarrassment In consequence OF these
debts fna Hathaway last year in the Tabernacle had
nearly ruined It, and that lie mad continued there ne
WouI have ruined IT, Then be used some WORD about
the funds like mIsapply. | thought tLat ne
used the word deiaulter but lac assured that ho
did not am not willing tnat he did. IL con
veyed to my mind the meaning by Whlch tue "Oio ue
fan ter is the generic description
Odd you believe what Dr, Talmage said about
Hathaway Al can't say that aid. was In great
doubt ana perpcxitY Of mind. l was astonlshed and
sbuckcd at the statement One thing that made me hes
ltate TO believe 1t was lhlS. asked Dl laindso II
this was 81 why they sent hm away to Princeton wlh
so much eclat he replied that they were glad to get
Q-Wncn did you see Mr.. Hathaway after thisi A
He came to my study ABOUT the Christmas hoiidays
sandered INN and made statements TO Dr. Ialmage
lmpeaehng his inegilty-%GGib rirrodie n9d saIa
/ said that | wanted to tell him what
Dr. Ialmage had said anu then tod INN what l nave
described here lie seemed overcome ana MS eyes
filed wi; b tears He said what IN The name OI Goa
shall 40 Ne SnIulU DidS mn t' m 'I ~ and
him to seek counsel OF the professors at Princeton
INTERRUPTING THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
O-When did you see him againi A.-About "a week
or days later he came to my study again and sad
that Dr. Talmage had denied making the statements
said he mad made He had hardly said this when DIR.
Tamage appeared at the door He turned as II to so
away and said, d" Come In God has sent you We
had a long conversation told HIM in Mr.. Hathaway
presence what he had said to me about Hathaway.
used the word deiaucr, when he interrupted mo ana
sand that he did that word-lt was not III h :
vocabulary. | replied that 1t didn't matter what
ON my mind. He made response. In our
subsequent conversation ne spoke OF the condition o
Things i'm Tabernacle and sld that had interrupted
the work OF the Holy spirit j SAID thht thls work
would not bo Interrupted by ge1tng at the truth lie
and they went away together.
called you q notorious liar aud said that Ae did not
wish to you until tho Judgment Dayf Al dld
o-TIave you spoken to DR.. Talmsge sncei Al
have never held any conversation with hm.
Tic witness was ihen cTO.s-eIiIn nued by Dr. Spear
Q-Were YOU avrre bsfore proceedings that the
b."n a,yyiCahiy sestleIi Al Hataaway told me
that he had accepted settlement and was satisfied
with it,
came his study aud .ISsd m 10 the matter
before tho committee OF which hr CiOsDy CHAIR
nan Inads is report Mr. Uathav4y read "A statement
when mad drawn up. ana Mr crosby said that # the
trial he would sub, ena 1Oth DR.. Van
~ kc and Mr. Hathaway - vitnrssos.
Q-ls it now yOuf Judgment ~ a minister aud u
this dliHouty. vLiol uad been settled IN two yoart
That Is "a qucs ION lor The PlesyytoEy ~ decide.
Sor AN USDRoTHR IT PRoCREDiSG.
Q-li such action KIND and bro.herly aud in the sprl,
Of the Go.pell Al Do NOT tniaA tn.t the Pressytery
intended TO do anything uukind. uubrothcry
trlry to the spirit of the Gospel.
Odd yOa have a cJnVdrsAtOn with HIM and Crosby
in reference to tho resolution which forme' the
rnencem.nt u these proceedings Ale repeated to
me verbally tho substance OF resolution which Ae liz
tended TO Odor and asked mo II IL would be- in accord
ancr with Presbyterian usage. said ~ would. but de
O-You did rot draft iti A-No. sir
Q-Wero you srsrc tint he wnt going 20 present II :
Al uad the iDpTcsalOn that hr would
Q-After the committee was appointed DID you have
an, conference with IT. members m reFard - their
WORT A.-Only with Ar Crosby. During the contluu-
nuce OF the committee he several times to
inquire about the uNSses Of tne church
Odd see the fiat report Of the committee beforc
II was made A.-No, Dir.
Odd you know IT'S general character A.-So SIR
Q.-Ihen you didn't have your resolution prepared
A.-No; wrote II there In the pow.
DR.. spear-I am glad TO hear It. 1t corrocts false
impression on my mind.
Sir Crosby (sotto voce)other false Impressions will
be corrected. too.
Q-Dld you sec the anal report of the committee