The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1879-10-25


M 20 the COUNTS apartments. nay companion. in
introducing me- remarked that a. 4 desired to ses
the C0unt on Important matters he would take has
ie@ye.
| Upon nay expressing the solicitads feit by our
Minister. Mr.. Dayton. relation 10 the fortbeom-
ing speech OF the Emperor. d. norny. with con-
siderable emphasis. aid inst Francs ~ss sansFins
80 seriously from our civil that the Emperor
would be compelled refer % the subjset IN has
address. inquired II an wars Of eenmerci-i ma
tons did not necessarily. or less inconve-
nicnce neiehborlns nations. ne replied that our
war was an exceptional that other nations we're
| depcndeut upon ne for ccttons that our bloefhie
and the destruction OF ths chariesion harbor hal
deprived Europe % ariele essential 70 a. later
csis: that France was pafernai e"sernmsnt and
when Il could furnish its people with labor vas
compelled 10 supply them ~sth bread When
ur,,.i that the blockade. a. . war measure. found
prcccienis in European wars. the count replied
/ thai there was no such Justification OF ca
cuse for destroying the hAFbor 81 Charleston.
one OF the fnost important. not The most ilnpor-
tant cotton harbor la cosntry. 1 rsplod that
tho Count iab0rins under amisapprehension in
regard TO Charleston HarbDri that instead o. being
demolished ~ had simply been obstrac,sd and that
the rocks placcl there could be readily removed
when there Was no further occasion for such OBJ
the harbor destroyed only obsiracs~d the in-
jurions effect for the thing being the same. and
that the Emperor would probably deem "a 10 be HIS
duty TO protest earnestly against . measure which
affected the welfare OF franse seriously. no
Joined that action In ob-srucsing the harbor %
Charleston justified by Continental practices.
lie smilingiy remarked that he supposed l relied
upon the temporary obstruction Of the navigation Of
the River schedt precedent. bat that a. did not
meet case.
DuSgrRK A PRECEDENT.
ITO this I res ponded that tho precedent. I'm my
mind, was q worry different and much older
adding that the coun, would probably remember .
war with England which assumed proportions an
consistent with the welfare OF France. aud whom
England only consented TO repeated ovcrtnres for
peace when France yielded 10 her demand for the
destruction OF the second best hsrbor in the king
dom. The Count looked at me inquringly. whom I
added that the treaty referred to that ncgo-
tiated at Utrecht in l'l3. lie then rang his bell.
inferred. send tho treaty in question; hut
remarked that had copy OF the ninth article with
me. which would save his time Its provisions
that within five months after the conditions peace
were signed the ortifcations of the city OF Dukrk
should RACED. the harbor Allied up and the suicos
and moles which served to cleanse 1t leyeled and
this ut the French Kings own expense.
'When the Count had read the article over twice
very attentively observed that he would find by
ferrng to the history of that day that Holland an
ally OF England in the which ended with this
treaty, complained. two years aftcrward. that its
terms had not been complied with. inasnuch as the
fortfcations and harbor had been but partially de-
stroyed while the article referred to called
entire demolition. Yet Dunkirk at this day. instead
of being what it would have been but for the Treaty
of Utrecht) large and prosperous commercial city
is wholly unused q harbor and utterly insgnih-
cant as town. Dc Morny. after pause remarked
that he was to accompany the Minister of Foreign
Affairs IN. Thouvenel) to the Tuileries the fol-
lowing evening. when the Emperor's speech would
be read to them. Quite satisfied with the result OF
my interview thanked the Count for his civilites
and withdrew. In accompanying me to the door he
took my hand and said that whenever / deemed II
important to confer with him my card would gain
me access.
"when the Emperor's speech was printed the pas
sage relating to America amicable instead Of
a hostile one. Previously copy OF the original
paragraph had been sent to the French Minister III
London and communicated conadentially to persons
who operated largely in stocks and who, by
of the unexpected change. were heavy losers The
financial editor of the London Times. in commenting
the speech. remarked that the first sentence OF
the paragraph relating to America not in har-
mony with what followed. and assumed that. in
changing the spirit of the clause. the few lines
remained unatered. 1t is evident from the letters
Mr. SIidell to the Confederate government that he
was not aware of Napoleons intention to mako an
unfriendly issue with us. aud 1t Is equally
apparent now that there was duplicii9 in
the pursued by the Emperor tow
ard both the Union and the Confederate
Commissioners. 1t is quito true. Messrs. Mason
and Sdell represent in their letters, that no made
reiterated efforts to induce first England. and after
var,lc Of t,a Ca,t 10 i,v "a
in aggressive action toward government Men,
bers of Parliament in sympathy with the Confed-
crate Commissioners visited Paris on at least two
occasions TO confer with the Emperor upon ques-
lions relating to our blockade, &C., which
subsequently introduced into the House OF Com
mons and the House of Lords. and Earl Russell in
formed me that the Queens proclamation giving
belligerent rights to the vessels OF the Confederate
government was based upon an argument received
from the highest judicial officers Of France The
point raised by the French Attorney General
that the Confedcrates were entitled to such rights
upon the principles of humanity recognized in In.
ternational law; otherwise their captured crows
must be treated as pirates"
FRIENDS NEED.
In concluding Mr.. Weed remarked that but for the
infexible determination of Queen Victoria, the
Duke of Argyll. Sir Ronnde Palmer. Miner Gibson.
John Bright, Lord Houghton. Sir Henry Holland.
Arthur (now Lord Kinnaird. William Il. Forster.
william Torrens, Edward Elcc, George Monet,
Thomas Bayley Potter, Mr.. stansfeld. Mr.. Bailey.
Mr.. Ashworth. Mr.. White. Mr.. Smith and one or two
other members of Parliament. with France and
probably with England would have been inevitable.
'M. Lubat," he said, Through whose influence with
the Count de Morny and by whose prompt
and friendly Intervention we were saved from
common danger, to America while still q
young man. and by his intelligence. enterprise and
integrity accumulated a fortune in mercantile pur.
suits. When he returned to France. some thirty
years ago. though rich enough to live in repose. his
business habits prompted him to embark in railway
enterprises. Obtaining concessions from the gov
ala4 u.laf paria