The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1879-02-06
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In Cnnada2 Was II after this talk7 Al was
., Q.-It was not until arer tho publication Of
th@~" 4 sp9tchcS2 A...Bcforo the publication.
| now that o.. p hon suffered u great deal:
he lost his vito mud had sickn moss II, his family
Q.-Did Iild"n'e diserar" disturb your con-
sgrn.r in IN" mHtt"r7 A.--Nnt u hit.
Q-Nolhing that NJ snid removed your scnso
ot lnsiin'Wtionp Tho publication Of tho de-
trnn~a"tion2 ADO you want mo 10 express
ny opinion wh"thcr It WIS right ar wrong2
pS"n Of ,h ad 7 81 How a9 ann uo,
"1o9ay sGT,"d by pgeliergioas Of the 7sIbre
Q.-So II has no rffcci upon your Al do
MOI think it dove. nave never known it to,
.,Q.-You say, yop destroyed ,hcso dispatches
Q.-You w,rc conscious of how they werc TO
hc rcgnrdei II found2 Al am conscious
body that KNOW of.
Q.-whni p.r-op TIM. yon know OF knew tho
/ the enme cipher. | think il VIVA n man named
Pnnlin knew Tho cipher, thcr-people. whoever
| thuy wrr" In Florida | never saw Thorn. | do
not know. should supposr. from tn 40 de-
| spatch"s. that Mr.. Marbl. knew It. dill not ex-
You did not talk with Col. Pelton about III
| A-frs, air.
| Q.-And did You try ~ get the key from him,
| IN order 10 soc II the Tribune WIS rlght7 A
f tbdn ne lex bn I"y b cYT69 9 y:ura
| Al know entered into negutintions II WIS
| no business IN mo whether they were exactly
QYou say u mo desnatrh OF Nov. 10. to no
found ON pngr % " the Tribune, IN the SECOND
| column, Am confident OF Florida" Did you
| then refer to ncg,tiations such as you wrrc
making in south Carolina1 Al have no recol-
rrtion Of sending tho despatch. l cannot say
whit did mean II did send II.
Q.-You were not in concert with ncoplc .oror-
| ating in Florida and Orcgon2 Al do not
| know what you moan by concert / do not
| know " the TRANSACTIONS.
| Q.-SO far M you know. this was an indcpcnd-
Ft.aFs a
J DO not know that my dispatches show that.
o. You had done your work little quicker
Q.-You had not hal special experience of
That u cna, lie you TO get through Al don't
Q.-Wcre YOU intending. when you wont
down to South Carolina. u be superintendent hy
Potion personally2 Al don't know az | had
Q.-You must have had some idea who you
were running things with, That was what Pol
tho direction of prton alone2 Al did.
| ,Q-rh!t nobody else knew, anythingP Al
| didn't think the Democratic National Commit
tee know ANYTHING about u.
Notwithstanding that YOU had the cphcr ?
1N9iwilhsianding That got the cipher.
seemed 10 centre in Prlton. YOURS among the
rest You did undcrs,and your personal bust
ness under his direction Al did. Of course.
with about this was Col. PeItoni Al said j
Q-Know OF nobody else with him = Al
don't know whether there was or not. don't
know whether had conversation with any per
Q.-You say you don't know whether it was
Pc,ton or not Al think i was >. J..
Q-Cnnnot YOU be more dennite2 Alt Il
gid you. after YOU got through your OK
mcntY A.-No. sir: nobody has ever seen il il
, this world; Ilwll show i 20 YOU II you want it
it. / 10 not want 10 read il. ' "''''' ~ ''
Q.-Now. you say solomon showed YOU n mum
her Of des patches In Columbian A-He shove,
| the lt4SlNtclti-. he did not show thu
! Q.-Whai day did tho Board Of Canvassers o
, | South Carolina meet? Any recollection II
! Wednesday. the 22d. That is the day he shove,
O"Y6u say Tilden's manner changed nftc
= | you talked with him ON your return Al die
not say ttat. You ask cd mo u ne had been N
! | publication Of these dispatches he had no
been. do not know. but that ia my opinion.
Odd YOU not feel that YOU werc unworth
To associate with SO good man 7 A.-Why.
, Q.-On paae 20. number 7. there is q diagram
what r. your eNli nation OF that = Al mean
+, that had the figures ~ | got them from III
a. | Chairman Of the Committee. Gentlemen II
! Columbia did not know the result Of all tn
~ figures. and some ON each side thought the
Odd you mean that you engaged 10 kco
!. | up the appearance that Iildrn was eiert"dl
u ! meant that should not say anything Their
: Q.-Did YOU mean by keeping M appoaranc
+ | ihHt YOU would keen M the cry ~ iraui2 A
4 was not shouting fraud then; was shouting
d Q.-pid YOU mean To- keep up the cry Of stca
u ingl sioallngl Notwithstanding the first figure
were T ii~n coo behind HainptonT A-'.h.
II OWEN YOU refer to the capturing OF Flor
| "a, do YOU refer to the same Kind Of busin"s
, that you had IN capturing South Carolina
, lAnsW.r inaudibleI
!, as 'rlden himself would have usedf Al di
" -Q.-Wha, did you mean by capturng1' A.
y Q.-Honestiy il you could. but get herr A..
Q.-Now. YOU thought 1t was honest becauf
Il | you were concernedf Al told you that b,
ID iore-that II had got what wanted woul
!; Mr. Reed u think YOU would.
ID Mr.. Weed-iou may be certain OF that. Tho
ie Q.-When you say the Western Union woul
a have got our despatches,' whom do you mea
There was no member OF the Executive Con
mlltee OF ths Democratic party but khfw u,
20 Western Union We had turned il 10 effect
1t 'hG eleiion hrrgi dig' myseI vour nam.
re | A.-They would undoubtedly DO picked out
Q"r6ey would suppose that they had e
A.-They knew very well that they would
pnliucnt dispatches Of some kind,
cS9 svo e pS Msro p5ss n 10 Sol
IN nected with the Democratic National Comm
lr | t"e-those accustomedi 20 receive our despatch"
~ | We knew that some OF those sent were nanipl
ih Q.-Ihls was alter you got Dack 70 New 1Ol
rr | civ, aud not b,.fure2 A.-No. sir.
III Q.-You had some conversation about yol
cipher dcspatchrs with other persons than VI
1u | Potion? Al think when he gave mo dire
"a tons to 20 mad; but do not know when.
OF gave him a memorandum to send to Sml
Weed. and he gave me memorandum to SOL
w | 10 HaVemryer.
- BY Mr. Hisrock-Your political relations wi
/ | Tiden had been Intimate for some time A.
They had been. and were quite intimate
IT, one sense. during the Presidential election tn
r. were especially so.
Q.-You are known and recognized IA n friel
IN | and partisan Of Mr. Tlldrn2 Al took u W.
active interest in the nomination OF Mr.. Tide
Q.-And in his eectionl Ayes, sir; and
- his election.
Q.-You spent large proportion OF your tit
I'm in this state during tho canyassf Al went
lat Ohio. .
Odd you go after this to Ohio2 An
In sir; except after the election.
NJ Q-This cipher that you used-dQ you kn'
re- Of any one having II except tho Democra
members Of tho Democratic National Comm
on tee or agents Of theirs in the canvass An
ali | think thoy had others. This cipher was e
trely an arbitrary one, manufactured rig
It'll out. | think do not know Of anybody;
course. nobody knew unless they copied It,,