New-York tribune., 1879-04-08
THE PROCEEDINGS.


tho Presbytery 10 admit testimony, under the fourth
specification. involving the character OF the witness as
revealed in the practices which were alleged TO nave
been falsely charged upon Mr.. Hathaway by DIR. Tai
mage He thought that the ruling given on Friday was
not understood as the deliberations were interrupted
with applause which led to motion to clear the house.
and the debate upon this occupied the time nearly until
the adjournment.
Dr. spear-In view Of the debate Friday, have
prepared resolution which, think, the entire
point. II is as follows;
Resoired That If testimony he introduced and admit
Ted prove that DR.. Tamage " a'sely accused l. W;
Hathaway 0f dishonest practices aud afterward denied
that he had done "naney falsely thus accused Mr
snail be permitted to prove II he cam that If he did ac-
cuse Mr. Hathaway OF dishonest practices, he did not do
falsely trutnully and also 10 prove he can
that il he denied that he had Falsely accused Mr. Hatha
way, he IN that denial spoke the truth
Dr. Spear contnumgl-The charge IS not that Dr.
Talmage charged Mr.. Hathaway with dishonest prac-
tces and then denied that he had done so,
but that he falsely accused" him. If you
will give DR.. Talmage the assurance that he
will be permitted 20 justify his conduct no ohjec-
will be interp0sed to testimony in support OF the
allegations OF the prosecution. We claim that Dr
Tamage spoke the truth when he denied tnat he had
falsely accused nim We shall not attempt any answer
to the charge in the fourth specification except mat
which goes dsprove It in the precise form III which
was served upon the defendant You must grant him
this privilege you will perpetrate great wrong on
Dr. Talmage. Please tell him whether he can or cannot
do this Reject this resolution, and you cut him of
from all possibility OF defence Even the Son OF God
could not defend himself under those circumstances
Dr. Van Dyke-I have been constrained TO differ so
often from Dr. Spear that gives great pleasure TO
agree with him, and second the motion. When l
protested against the acceptance Of the English lew
Of evidence, for when DR.. Spear contended,
said that 1t would work disaster to the accused and
deprive him OF one of his most precious rights Under
IA u
Of witnesses, they have rgnt 10 prove tnat any Wit
ness is infamous In character know that Or. Tamage
accused the witness, but don't know that lie dd
falsely II is proved that he did not falsely accuse
believe Mr.. Hathaway TO be a credible wltnesss
LONG AND FRUITLEss DISCUSSION.
long debate ensued on the notion Dr. Butler wished
the testimony limited to the alleged practices referred
TO in the specifications and DR. Spear replied that that
could not be known until the proof was heard. We
can he said range this mans entire character on the
0ucstlon Of his crediblty." DR.. Van Dyke at length
moved the following as addition TO DR.. Spears
luton:
IT is understood that in adopting this resolution the
Presbyery TO allow the accused to lmpeach tho
character OF Mr. Hathaway I'm reference to the dishO
practices with which DR. Tamage is alleged to have
accused him.
Dr. Spear finally admitted that all that he sought
to be gained by the Book of Discipline whereupon Dr.
Van DYKE sprang up with: " That's Just what
have been contending for withdraw your notion"
Mr. Crosby-Mr Hathaway feels that he must be
cleared from everything II this investigation Is to
proceed side by side with the other it must be fair
and full and the defence must not expect US to furnish
them with the na7nes of Witnesses
Mr.. Millard-We have no objection.
DR.. Spear nnterruptng his coleague IN lond WINS
that IL not credible witness, but they hayeu right
to violate the law of the book 20 rehabilit1te HIM
DE- Van Dyke-But In that case the defence brcomes
the prosecution, and tney are not Obliged 10 gave the
Mn Cpnshvow csn the know the char
of the witness IL after they nave raked the suns
The Moderator dnterruptingj-A repetition OF TINS
action Will very likely bring resolution to close the
Mr. Crosby (contnuing)-Have right-I am
suppOsing caseto prove that such witnesses are not
TO be beieyedl 1t would De an outrage ON deeency,
Dr. spear-i withdraw the motion.
Mir. Hasey-Will this settle the whole matter finally
Mr. Hathaway was then recalled and, under the rul-
examined by Nj McCuiagh. He testified in reference
TO certain rumors that were afoat about him
when no returned from Princeton at the close
OF 1876 These rumOrs alleged that he was
greatly debt and that lie left Brooklyn. leaving his
debts unsettled He went TO Mr. Tamage, Who told him
that the matter OF debts amounted 10 nothing. but
there some feeling against him on account Of the
article mich Dr. Van Dyke had written in The Pes6y
eriaa the Tabernacle He then went before the
aud denied that he bad done anything disuon
orabe His entire Indebtedness amounted at that time
TO $50 5000. He had diminished 1t BY about S73
since lie had difficulty with any OF his creditors.
auo they did press him for payment.
,Q.-Do you know Of any other dishonest practices
On the cross-eramination by MI Milard the witness
testified that he wanted the resolution Of retraction
which adopted By the Session on January IL, be-
cause Dr. Van Dyke had reported To him Dr. Tamage'5
statement that he the wltness) was untrutbfui aud
delauiter. ana he demanded retraction. lie dad not
know aOOnt himself got into circulaiOn
Q.-Hds DR.. Talm-ge, to your knowledge, ever said
anything uutrutnu OF yOui Ale never did to my
face.
Q-why do you appear n witness aTainst himi A.
-Icln't help myself came here reluctantly.
O.-What is yOur agef A.-AccOrdIng to tho psy-
chUlogy which have heard here should say that
didn't know. lLlugaterl l know what my mother
.salA,u nj fI,ttlV pr
o.~What do You consider your &c to bel A-Porty-
"GREAT CHUNKS OF THEOLOGY"
A letter written by the witness TO Mr. Eclr, n ref
erence 10 an anniversary OF the Young Peoples Asoca
ton Of the church. wa, here put evidence. Mr. Hath
away was at Princeton. and IN his letter said: "
10 keep track of oil church hghts. Iswallow
great chunks Of theology every day shall be- full
Of it that shall bust II don't preach occasionally to
work IT on"
Odd YOU uso your ofeia position In the Tabernacle
to get credit In Brooklynt Al did not
Q-Conld you have obtained croit bat for your o1csl
rclationsi Al don't know.
Odd yon not tell sOms of your creditors 10 call n,
yor house on day when you knew thnt you and your
iAmly were to be- IN PriDcetOnf A.-hO, sir
rbo wituosa then repo.1"d bis account ~ bis Wait 10
Dr. Van Dyke on January a. lhIy when bc learned fpf
the nrst une of thr charges made aRannt him by Dr
Q-Dd you believo that Dr. TalrnAgs made ihoAo -
marksi IL wa La d"uot rbsih"f to behave Df. Van
uSIc N'' 20" :" "'"'' '''' "''o' w. ""' '''
Q-Dd Dr. TalmaRe c0nfcn, that be had rfonped
yOu h.Ie said that he had ssi son,, thinga winch
were aauderous " they faiss bat that noi
Q-IIo did not eonfe.. that hs had Intentionally don.
you wrongt A-ho. air
Q.-Dld he ask youi pardon A.-us ca Ia that toio
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resolution iOu would rain tho tsbsfsa's aad 10 fai
mage "a three yesfHI h-h0, Hii nsys' ,sid tsa, IA
o-Did Dr. TAimsEs eve. setbssisass ~ ysa 9, ssy