, 1879-02-01

a., 10 you Know VINO tflcec Jurors were to whom
this EAs fAtd BY Judge nEo'lEettt'
swell, there wez: some remask.-1 dent
know bnt ptrlaps II was Indirect. ns,I came IN
r"unaahont wty-tllat We were all Grangers.
nnd 10 III !,s not know wSat Fc Te doing there SO
You hail been called whati'
'ttirAnKers.h
.Yos bad been called TINT BY wfon'"
"Judge B0lgett."
The Witness went Oh to say that he VAS 40
pofntcd Un committee u wait on tlle Judge bY
the Foreman q the Grand Jury, hut declined to
act upon 1t. Word had come to tho ssrand Jury
that Judge Blodects had spoken 10 one Of tl'e
Jurors Ia The balls Of the building. Oh the stair
;say, and bad said sonao things about the Grand
Jury Remaining there und wasting time: anl tho
1urr 1elt AFFLICTED about the course that had been
pnrsneI, which WAS one reason thai made them
not iee' Hike going before The Juage. The turY
!elt that they would ike to satsfr Iudce
Btodcest hut they we're trying to do their duty,
ana not waiting tdtlr time aMa tho Government
money. fa,ts Iie{ appo!nsel as a comrnittee for
Of batavia. and himself. His reasons for not
acting were that II Judge llodgc.t lad any
business With Tie jofJ there was wny to cotn-
uunlcate with tltu1 Instead OF talking to one
mao IN The hall or stairway; und therefore hc
ltd nut care to respect his appointment. lie
made remark that after Thanksgiving be sould
walt o. ')ndR8 Blodgett IT necessary. lie de-
because Judge Bsodgest ought to hare sent Tor
the Gr!nh jury, or sent q communication to
them. i lie had any thing U say TO tllctn.
"Dld there exist In the Grapd-!ury roum anv
making as he Grand jury ot thl. tlfssrc. iuto
The conduct Of Nr. 1@ibbatd IS Rrsiater Ia Hauk-
ruptcy waa dsapprured Of by the Judget"
NJ Cuiserson-suptose you change THAI
worl "fccltng " to "knowlcdEe.n
Tue Rtntnomcnt WAS accepted by Mfr. Knick-
crbocker, Ant thu question put In that totEn.
"Well. ~ We got the Information. indirectly,
Fl got IL lrotn member Of the 1ury,-1udge
Blodgelt was not lii favor Of that investigation.
'Mhat s,Iade vou feel that way!"
IL can hardly tell ynu: chain of cjFcum-
stanceb-Gverythfng hccmcd working IN that
way, aud there seemed to be great deal oF un.
"ln ahort, you eatns to the conclusion, from
the reports made to ron, that thr Judge was
going to prevent the Indictment against Mr.
Histard. II he cou'd'"
"Do you know II any Of the other Jurors felt
That waylH
"lthtnk so.' ....
Were you With the rest Of the Grand Jury
when they returned the Indictment that had
been found into courtt''
''Aftcr nc adjourned, yes, str.n
About What hour Was II when Jou were dis
III was In the netgheo,bood Of o'c1sck At
''Judee n'odeets was gu the Benchi"
Yes. slr, in his room."'
"Did be makc any observations, or auy COM
men,s, e ,s nppn the work Of live Grand Juryt"
:. "eIl, ne made one remark, that perhaps Il
ro;lla not hsvc noticed 10 much, that thought
rather effected litt1o upon us:''
lhs Chatrsnan-What was the rernaskl
"We'l, Il was sumethlng that We were honest
IN onr purpose In looking after u,esc things;
but It seemed 10 reflect a iIttle,-that We were
oo';ins after business that did not belong 10
Mr. Kntckcrbocker-Was It something like
this tlat lie had no doubt sou were sincere in
the conviction that you had been looking after
ttce!
swell. T think In substance It was"
"Sow, what ma1e that remark OF the Judge
particularly noticeable to you'll Was Il anything
he said itt''
"Wcll mas not much acquainted with Judge
|. Hiodgett; lad met him nnfy fcw times. !
xay.''
.Iou felt H. that hs was indignant at what Jou
~ felt As though It did not satllfy hsm.t'
"NhAt did not satisfy hint"
What VIC had donc, or attempted to DO"
" YOU do not know whether that feeling arose
In his mind because ron had dous too much, or
had hot done cApuChfh
~ could not aay.'
Mr. Lyman Tratnhu!l put tic witness through,
| minute croas examination, clietin3 nothing
materially vAryiu. from the statements made
| tH *11G EAAlI1Q2tlQH* JHQEE HlCuMcl&
gave the Grand jury no specific charge upon
any subject At t'lc time theY were Impaneicd.
A humber Of lawycrs were called heGore them,
amoug them Col. Cooper and Sir. Kptekcsbork-
Graud Jury eat.Ide Of ths 1r4ndJuiy = roou,. an
uor did Slr. Kntrkcrbockrr. These eentcmcr,
brought to the notice Of tho Grand jury the nc
rounts Of Mr.. 1ilboard: They were simply
called ~ witnesses, uli did not appcar a. pros
crutors, tlheir nalnes were suggested u Wit
nesses, along With humber Of 0thers. 1t was
uot until tic Gsand Jury began Investigating
u'e Albbard case that thsy began to rccc!vs
said. He could not tell how these reIorts got
Into circulation: hu learl tl,cm through other
turort::-,Mr:, Turnley, au'l sir. Grow. aud per-
hnps Mr. Flynn. lley made remarks about
% tlo@ judge t "@ BIoasst:, ' IL ~.ara ana '0as 70
their w4stlog time, aud 10 iorth. 1t
was the Hibbard case That thcy were !uvest!eat.
Ing then. Somehow Of other tho thtnea uud
a,ld other thugs would leak Ia " we'll. IIa
bvnE acquainted With ANYBODY Ia Chicago.
Thu ffEat thing that made Au Impression upon
thu Witness hltul was the 1napncr ol Mf. Bratl
Icy, Clerk Of the United States Court, !n ctvlnx
| h,s testimony before tle tirznd jury. II made
witness little suspicious, nnd ha felt as II
tlesa was sonsth!ng wrong. Il telt that there
tion. Ila did not remember t!lal Nr. Hsadiey
said anything ns comiur from Judge BtodEett.
Al certain stages OF lIrr 1t seemed
that ,1udeu BlodReu did not ttlnk ws!l Of tic
Grand Jury; at other timcs .Aere Was
not that feeliuR. They heard that tic
Judge had aske.l what the4e tiran;crs were DO
!ng llero-wl'a. wera thry spendioe t!ms fur:
This VI. uuy when they got ou the llihhard
Ease; lo heard Of II It no other time. When
Mr.. t3anss appeared oe!ore ihcn mud said bu
wss ordescd to withhold thls indictment, Ae said
Judge Dlodgctt ha4 stated lllat these Reports
u,ul retusus vera .nale under hfa Instructions,
with the concurrence Of Judge DrlItnlMonL-
ulat Nj. llfbhar1 llad n,adB llls returns ACCORD
iuQ to law, Al Judge Blodgrtt undcrntoou The
law, liz statcl tilat lle had had an Interview
with Tie Judge, anl The Judge told hin, so; MI!
tle Withheld The indictment 0ecaAse the tir.nd
Jury were tndfctlug httn for IL lhIug Which tlu
law allowed hi'n 10 DO, and warrantcd him In
lolue. They proposed to fudict hin for perjury
In Masking hts annual tcIDrt.
"ull sou propose 10 !DdIrt hltn for perjury Ia
making lii annual reports because le did not
return I'll the fees received tn tue neW cases
uuriuk the ycArt"
"from my own estimate OF tho fees received
aud not returucd."
You proposed 10 t1t1ict lin tleu for swearing
fa!sriy in not rctArnloR alt the lees he received
during the ytur, aAl Rot for la1iI1G IT, report tbs
i..t tizh -