New-York tribune., 1879-11-10

WITH THE c MNIssIONER OF TIE LONDON liMts'
George j. Holyoake, the eminent English adVo-
cate of cooperation. in a conversation with IRiB-
uSl reporter. has expressed his of the present
political and industrial condition OF the English
people. and given the opinions which he has formed
of this country during his visit. talk with Finay
Dun. who has been studying the resources of Ameri-
can agriculture, is also reported dinner will he
given next Monday evening TO Thomas Bayley
Potter by a large number of prominent citizens.
VIEWS OF GEORGE j. HOdYOAKE.
CRITICISMS ON TIRE POLICY OF THE PRESENT ENG
IJsH GOyFRNMFNT-wHAT REFORMS ARE IN
PROsPECT-HOw COOPERATION HAS SUCCEEDED.
Mr.. Holyoake has postponed the date of his
departure FOR home until November 10 He Ia now In
Ithaca whittier he went to Cornell University.
During his short stay in the United states he has seen
good deal OF country. having been far West as
Kansas and as far East Boston, He has also taken
look at Canada. which he says he wanted 10 get a
glimpse OF before It's annexation To the American Re-
public. greatly pleased with his rec pti0n here.
and greatly Interested in the fra u.e- o. American e
institutions, which shev the results of giving tie
spirit Of progress fuller play here than In the Old World
He Is remarkably well versed in American politics. and
is as ardent Republican II he had lived all his life
here and had taken part IN the great suu=-
giles against slavery and rebellion. The Dem
ocritc party ne likens 70 the Tory party
II InglANO. II VIII take Eh-linN, ne saws II -'"-
Grafton to make good the mischief the Tories have
done during seven ycars they have been power.
and lie predicts a ike misfortune # the parry az re-
action should bc allowed get possession OF tins GOV
Crnmcnt. The ctner day recent convert from Eclnh-
canism To Democracy was defending his change by
arguing that the country would never be ~ peace
until the South was fully reircorpcrated into the
Unon and that could only be done by giving II the
responsibility of power in the Governments Mr. Holy
oakc listened acrtvely 10 the argument. ana replied;
That if the OF good ship which had made
prosperous voyage and beaten of gang of pirate.
should say the only 10 get ON with these 90 Is
Is 10 invite them board aud ask them to run iA't
vessel ihe first thing TIE pirates would do on com
ing on board would be to cur e throa's OF the crew
NJ Ho'yoase Is very severe he Beaconshcid Mn
istry winch he calls tie Tory yemment tIa has dis
honor,d England before tie whoe world. He say II has
been Ill bus crug IN shameful manner III ASIA ana
Africa has srent the magnificent surplus accumulated
Ov Gladstone. placed load o. Cebt upon the people
and imposed increased tolls 10 get money ior these +
busicrng exploits He finds some comfort, however, n
tho conviction that DIsIacs performances have made
ten Republicans where there was onlJ one before
"Thc native was attached 70 the monarchy" BE said
to TRIBUNE rep0ltcr the ether DAY While discussing
this subject We gardcd the Crown a. gfaceiu or
namen the state, occupying the ambition ~ TIE ~
isocracy quite harmless to the lihcrie, OF The ico-
pie We thought fhcrci King the responsible Prime
Minister Now he discovers that this is false. When the
English people lll,d Charles L. thcy did not Kill III
prerogatives Of the Crown. They only frightened his
successors from these prerogatiScs Beaconshed
has shown Us that treaties can be made. waved
and the country committed 10 any MANY without
Parliament knowing anything about II, and the present
Parliament is acquesce and let the Ministry
do what it pieases 30 have put III effect Parlia-
mcntary tyranny sheltered by the Crown b,aconsied
laisrcd The Qlecu's vanity Win the iltic "i Empress
al IA. eHfoace % hi VI yry iilelv have to r't r,d
tf.a (.Iglsl 80
and made "a respected. IL return the Queen
ana 80 s,id tbaf g iIdstouc was neither mentally
nor morally fitted tO govern. thus intimatng that ne
VIZ ,, ,,"n in all Engand Then shc visited B,lcns-
fc Il aud gave hun her piciure-a thing she mad never
done for Gladstone II Bcaconsncd gucs ON lie Is sure
o ut an end TO the English dynasty. He subjected
me nnnon 10 incredible humiliation. This Is what has
made us republicans. II there were no other escape
from an Irresponsible government. would drown tie
| royal family in The Thames. yet no has more
respect for the Queen than ard have much better
opinion OF the Prince OF Wales than many nave an
told mar the Queen IL changing her views OF late anu
giving need 10 the popular indignation against our
present master. hope this is rue.'
ENGLAND's INDUSTRIAL COM ITION.
spoaking Of the industrial condition OF England, Mr.
IIoyoake said
alt Is not rs bad as You imagine The distress Is far
ess Than il was two years ago hear curious things
here Some of your people think England Is nearly done
up Tlere is not the slightest prospect Of tins. We
have many resources not yet drawn upon. We could
support double preseu population II the land were
! all available for cultivation. Twelve thousand PEOPLE
now own al OF England III Scotland there Is strip
Of country sixty miles long, every rod Of which owned
NV cn 8u our farmers are exceedingly dscontcutcd.
| There ia no revolutionary creature IN England so
| furi,us and implacable the farmer. He demands
radical change the Land laws-tnc abolition Of en-
tail and prmOenure-and tine possibility OF avoiding
rent by owning his farm himself lie eau make nothing
wnile paying high rent. Wnen vou began to send your
grain to lie went 70 grazing but now you send your
cattle AMI grazing Is no longer prOnthble In NOrioh
one Of onr latest counties there 200 farms 10 let
The Ike this has never been seen there snce the
Norman conquest The farm, rs are coming over heIe
| where they can have the SWEETS 0t ownership
But, bless your SOUL Euglaud Will never he ruined.
II have its little difficulties, as America has had.
but often said that when the worst comes 10 ic
very bad and hold up heads no longer dear
Old Uncle Sam Will never let us go down He viii super
| annuaie tue famous English Island He Will appOrtlOn
ably upon. out OF regard TO the service John Bull di
hIm the beginning OF things and for the good Will
English people nave shO"n im III Their lucid Inter
The COOPERATIVE STORE SYSTEM.
Speaking of the cooperative store system. Mr. IIol-
yoae said lie had found people eager TO hear about In
this country In Boston store on the ROch hiae plan
already exists aud there il another in Phladepha but
both are small affairs and no thorough attempt has
bcen made To make their advantages known Most of
the socaled cooperative stores in THIS country work
tue old plan Of underseDg their neghbors This the
plan of the sovereiSn OF Industry On this subject Mr..
| HolyoSe further said
we English are "a ploddlng, slow-gOing set OF crea-
tnres The scotch are more capable Of busi-
ness pecau.e more cautious. TO them belong the riches
which attend those who lie In wait 10 serve.
| The IRISH attract the sympathy OF the whole world
by their boundless capacity of discomfort The Ger
mans are better instructed than are the French
are far hrlghter but the Americans have knowl-
edg more energy and more ability to put through any
thing they care for than any other people am
perfectly convinced that n they should Interest them
selves M cooperation they would 10 points we
have never reached, and discover applications for II
which would asionlsh us.
| Mr TolyOake asked II there was not trouble In
England 10 find competent and honest men 10 manage
tie cooperative stores and If losses did not occur
through lack Of integrity on the part of the managers
lie replied Very rarely mas there been any trouble
| an Tins score. We paw our managers as much
a. their services VIII command elsewhere. Theh We re-.
0ure guarantee tO the amount OF the money likely
he al anv their hands. We Withhold The profits