The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1879-08-16

General Grant said that il not alone his duty
to do that but the duty of all citizens. But the
Chinese could have no better protector than the
present administration. Mr.. Hayes will do all
President can do. "You have" he continued. .many
young Cinnamon in our schools. What reports 40
they send homer"
The Viceroy answered that the reports most
satisfactory. They were treated with kindness. and
he wished to send more. He was anxious to send
some to West Point. The government had tried to
do this before. but the Americans, to his surprise
and grief. would not consent.
General GRANr-Yes. remember. was anxious
to have this done. The proposal was defeated,
mainly, If remember. through the influence of Mr..
Casserly. then Senator from California. wish you
would send some of your boys to West Point. 1t is
one OF the best schools in the world
The Viceroy asked whether there any idea
that another application to the American govern
ment would be favorably entertained.
THE vIcERoY WANTS CHINESE BOYS OUR NAVY.
General Grant said he did not know; he had been
awaJ from home SO long that he did not know the
public temper. "But" he continued. "if there is
any trouble about entering the schools why not do
like the siamese government? We have on board
enc of men-of-war in the China waters two
siamesc noblemen. one brother of the King. who
entered as They are now serving before
in the past and although it was, of course. not as
good as the school. it was great deal. Why would
not the Chinese do the thing with their young
men--with youths Of intelligence and good fam
ily?"
The viceroy said he would be delighted. If General
Grant would use his good offices aud would secure
the admission of young men on men-of-war he
would send them.
General Grant answered that he would Admiral
Patterson when he reached Yokohama and commu-
nicate with the Yiceroy.
AMERICANS WANTED IN CHINA
The yiceroy said he anxious to have the advice
and aid OF the Americans so far as possible. There
several things which could be learned from
Americans. and in that event he would like General
Grant to select competent persons. There was Gen.
eral Upton, who had been in China. He wanted him
to take post
General GRANT-General Upton is a distinguished
and able officer When Mr.. Bnrlingame was alive he
asked me to name officer to enter your service
and organize the army. selected Upton. But Mr..
Bnrlingame died and the matter fell through. Cen
eral Upton has high rank in our regular army,
pecially for young man. and have idea that he
would care to leave But there is nation in the
world where there many competent military
men as in America. The was an educator. and
so large proportion of the population, North and
scarcely any department of business industry
high commands.
ARMY TALK.
The viceroy asked General Grant whether at the
close of the any difficulty experienced In
sending the soldiers back to civil life
General Grant replied that the contrary. the
who had been in the army reverted to their old
homes and occupations and became the best por-
tons of society. He did not think it a reflection
upon those who did not go into the to say that
classes more loyal, industrious and peaceful
than those who had been in the
The viceroy asked II this true of the South as
well as the North.
General GRANr-Of the South as we'll as the
North. The soldiers in the Southern army have
shown themselves by all odds the best part of the
Southern population. Our armies were not merce-
naries-not on either side. Mercenary armies give
trouble. No people are more peaceabe in civil life
than those who have seen war. They know what
war is.
The viceroy asked what became of the officers.
General Grant said that officers as. well as
went back to civil affairs. He meets men who had
held important commands under him constantly.
and in all departments of business. He told story
of meeting blacksmith occasion, hts arms
barred and standing over his anvil. who had been
The Viceroy amused with this incident. He
said China had not been fortunate in dealing with
her armies. There always friction and irrta-
ton. II men had been officers they wanted to
main He asked about the policy of the govern
ment in dealing with the sick and wounded.
General Grant explained our pension system.
The Viceroy asked the General how far America
had progressed in the development Of the torpedo
service He attached a great deal OF Importance to
the torpedo o defence for long coast. He had
given attention the subject because the de-
fence of the coasts was under his charge.
roRpEpoEs CELEsrIALs. Asa
The General said that he only knew in a general
way that great attention paid to the torpedo sys
tenn q: home. He had always when President en-
couraged its development. He could not say he had
any especial information on the subject. 1t might
be assumed however. from the character of the men
at the head of the army and navy, and indeed, from
the character of army and navy officers generally.
that whatever was known in torpedo service in any
part of the world known in America.
The viccroy asked whether the General was famil-
lar with the Lay torpedo.
General Grant said that the Lay torpedo had within
il the elements of startling and great invention;
but it was undeveloped. In time the principle
would succeed. Our people have had way of work.
ing and working at an idea. that they found IT,
until they developed it, While the Lay torpedo was
crude now he believed in its ultimate success.
The viceroy said he had seen the Lay torpedo and
witnessed some interesting experiments But it APP
peared to him to be o crude machine He asked
whether the dcfences of the American coasts were
committed to the army navy
General GRANr--To both branches Of the Service
The actual offences of harbors like New York In
the engineering under the engineers But in the
navy have special torpedo school.
The vlceroy said that he had given much attention
to torpedo defcnces and watched with interest all
the developments of the science in other nations.
He looked to Americas important discoveries. and
hoped some time to see China avail herself Of the
services of competent Americans.
URGING CHINA TO DEVELOP
General Grant said that in this other matters