Helena weekly herald., 1879-11-27
THE UTES.
A Delegation Of Chiefs Desire to
Visit Washington.
Plain Talk From the Secretary of the
Interior.

WASHINGTON, November 20.-Secretary
| Schurz yesterday received the following tele-
gram from General Hatch: E.
Los PNos COL, November 18.
To the Secretary Of the interior, Washington: i:
Chief Ouray this morning asks for time
and believes it is the interest of the govern
ment to take to Washington such chiefs as
we may designate, not to exceed ten. includ-
ing some of the White river Chiefs In the
meantime, while waiting for your answer,
we will continue to take such testimony as
we can obtain here and elsewhere.
(signed) HATCH.
A dispatch from General Adams was also
received to the same effect, but accompanied
with atroLg recommendation that Ouray's
request be granted with view to promoting
the future and final arrangements for the
Utes.. In response to these dispatches Secre-
tary Schurz has telegraphed the following
To General Hatci, Ute Commission, Los Pin
os Agency:
Ouray's proposition to come to Washington
is acceptable, with the proviso that we can
not receive here as delegates any White river
Utes who were concerned in the crimes CON-
mitted there. Their talk before the commits
sion as if no crimes had been committed to
their knowledge is the merest trif1ing. Ouray
cannot expect the government to accept such
testimony or to act upon any assumption so
absurd. There can be no doubt that Douglas,
Jack and the other White river chiefs knew
who attacked Thornburg and who massacred
the agency people. Their concerted efforts
to shield the guilty parties by the transparent
plea of ignorance OF too we'll known facts
raises strong presumption against them
selves, and they are therefore not tit men to
treat with. They can clear themselves so as
to be received here only by pointing out and
surrendering the guilty parties. They must
done the whole tribe must be held responsible
and be dealt with accordingly. You may as
sure Ouray that his loyalty is highly appre-
ciated by the government, and his advice is
always welcomed, but the question as to
whether the guilty parties must be found and
in the failure of which the tribe
must be proceeded against, is not open for
negotiation. Ourays visit here can have
only two objects, Aiz: to recommend mercy
in individual cases, and then his recommen-
dations will be received with respect; and
secondly, to discuss with US what arrange
ments were to be made for the Utes hereafter.
If the commission has any further facts or
views to state with regard to the delegation
do so without delay.
(Signed) c. SCHURZ.
WASHINGTON, November 21.-Secretary
Schurz received the following telegram from
General Hatch to-day:
Los PINos, November 19.
To Hon. @. Sc1urs, Secretary Of the Interior:
In answer TO your dispatch of the 18th,
the commission yesterday was assured that
all of the White river Utes would come in
and give their full testimony. The Indians
attempt at lodging is we'll understood by the |
who have demanded a different
course on the part of the Indians. Ouray |
has ordered all the Indians in here by the
24th. We shall then arrive at the facts or
close the commission with the demand int
mated in your dispatch:
(Signed) HATCH, Commissioner.
Secretary Schurz's instructions above re-
ferred to were to the effect that in view of
he transparent artifce of the White river
chiefs the commission should declare that, as
t is we'll understood that Agent Meeker and
1is employees were murdered and Thornburg's
attacked near the agency, and no.
body else was there to do this but the White
liver Utes, it was useless for them to deny
hat some of them did it, and that if they
would not declare which individuals were re-
ponsible they must all be held responsible,
III forfeit their treaty rights, and all be treat
d as hostiles. The commissioners were fur
her instructed to obtain testimony from sub
,rdinate members not chiefs of the White
liver band, and from that testimony and the
vidence of the captive women make up
heir minds as to who the guilty parties are
nd ask Ouray to procure their surrender un-
Ter compulsion of the act above indicated.
The Secretary infers from General Hatch's
elegram that this course is already proving
ffective. Ea ~E# l..
Pacific Railroad Plans.
New YORK, November 20.-The Euening
'ost says: An important piece of news in
Vail street to-day was the announcement of
,e fact that the Atchison, Topeka s. Santa I
e Railroad, rich Boston company, had
ompleted an arrangement with the st. Louis
!; San Francisco Railroad in pursuance of :
hich a railroad is to be built from Santa Fe +