New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1879-12-28

secure the electoral vote of Blaine for another than
the Democratic candidate in 1880"
"What do yen mean by saving that 1t was the IN
tent,on 70 secure the electoral vote of Maine for
another than the Democratic candidate "
81 had expressed grave doubts as to the ability
of the Fusionists, under any circumstances, 10
yet the electoral vote OF Name for the Demo-
cratic Presidential candidate. To tins he replied;
That Is very true hu; we shall have thir6 canui-
date, Grecnbacker and the present coalition be-
tween the Democrats and Grecnbackers is to be
kent M. Don't Won see that it will help the Demo-
cratic candidate next year almost as much to give
the vote OF Maine TO n Grrenbacker rs TO Demo-
craft And even il the Fusionisis should fail TO
carry the state for a Grcenbacker. duplicate set
of retnrns might ne forwarded 10 Washington. upon
which the Democratic Congress might base ,ne
action which would be advantageous to the ID mo-
cratic party"
"Dnring your conversations with this ge' tls'man.
did he tell you that the Governor and Corr couid
be relied upon to perform their part Of tie wofkf
Dyes lie said there perfect understa-'
ing: for YOU know he SAID jokingly, 'that shr,wd
politicians. such as we have. do nos put mp 'h"T
money without knowing what they are g"'7 90
get'p
"rhen you understood from what he told you
that the decision of the Governor and Council was IN
fact already made even before the character Of itr
evidence then being collected was known, arr that
the evidence to b, used simply rs justlr' aion
of the Governor and Council in what they bal IA
ready determ ned to do Y
being collected by detectives for Lwo-fold pun ose
FIRST IL was to be published for the purpose OF
throwing dscTedit upon The kepnbllcan lcaccls ~
Nuue Am, especially upon Senator Blaine, and I"
create public sentiment, II possible, that wouid
Justify she OF the Governor and Council see
I # nil tl
and civIfzed intimidation, as they call IT, "is 20 ne
used by tne Governor and Council as prefAt loI
going ehlnd he returns ant refusing TO give GER
uhcates ~ enough republican members 10 'r"n>ief
to the Fus onists control OF both branches or inc
Legislature"
or with leading Fus'oDlsts # Maine. was II ever
mtlinuici that the Republican majority was To oe
DESTROYED bN throw NJ ont votes on account vi
fatal technical defects in the returns them
selves 2" ri
There WAS never such an ntimation. That
branch of the plot managed by Others.
"DId tins gentleman ever eXpr' - 10 You nm,
opinion as to the legal right of the Governor ana
Council TO 90 hsm"d the returns ana act upon
30. yes! We discussed that question pretty fully,
and ne maintained that tIc Governor ana t"hicl
had such ugat. aud s;.id mat they lMtehueI
10 % behind the returns II necessary. lie SAID
they bad any quantity of Republican precedenis
to Justify such actioa. and that they nad
sale oticia tnen looking up tho Republican
pIccedcnts tor such acton lie mentioned Two OF
three instances an winch he claimed, the Republican
Governor and Council o Maine haG PREVIOUSLY eX-
ercis q .ue powers OF a Returning Board"
BOSTON AND NEw-YoRK ToiIT CLANS fNTFRrsTFD.
"What further details dId this gentleman give
youw
"He said that the detectives who were collect
ing evidence in Maine were experts from Now-York
and Boston and were paid with the money collected
from politicians III Boston and New-York who were
interested IN the result account of Its bearing
on next years election. He complained of a lack OF
money sufficient to make the Investigations as
thorough as they would like, aud said that they
could apply to only few men. because they
could not reveal 10 many people what their plans
really were"
Did Won have conversation with any other
person in Boston who knew the secrets Of the Flu
sonists. and who gave you further details about
tie plot 10 steal the vote of the state Of Manner
"One evening met one o. the detectives employed
IN WORKING up the case ia Maine, and he told me
sonnet hing about The duties he had performed. lie
aid tina, he had had a very hard time, and that he
had travelled great deal, mostly by team. and IN
der Iii .euise as a hog drover and cattle buyer. for
ms instructions were to buy. beg or steal what
ever of information there was which would be use
full to the Fusioni'ts.'
Ibid you while in Boston or Augusta. bear any
thing about the division of the spells If the Fusion
ist plot succcededV
1Un Know luc bfctubach party Ncit 'Atttui''!
anxious Tor the control of the state Government
and they were willing 10 make any sacrifice or com
nil almost any act Of fraud That would ave them
that control. | heard that there was private I'M
Outstanding with the Green 'aekers tnal joseph J..
smith their candidate for Governor shond, in case
the Republican majority was destroyed be elected
/ and that Governor Garcelon should be made the
superintendent Of the Insane Asylum these lacis
did not come from one but from bali dozen reput-
! able men,"
"Is there anything further that You are Wiling
t to ~ about THIS Boston S''''"'"-"'0 TIC ""''
"only that he was the chief medium of commune
cation between the outside politicians and those in
/ Maine. Tie was also the man VINO hanultu the
money TO pay the expenses. or good dcai Oh H. anu
| paid IL ont"
ibid ne tell you so7'
"It WAS NOT necessary for him 10 tell It 10 me IN
so many words. for my relations with him were so
intimate that came 10 know It absolutely" -,
"Ddle in his conversations wi h you talk as line
thought that he was engaged III fraud OK dls-
| crcdituble trausactiOnT
! 80 no, He claimed that what they were doing
/ was PERFECTLY legitimate. Ia SAID the Rcpubicaus
| had gone behind the returns and unscated Demo
cratic members when there was no necessity for ~.
because they had large inaj iiy ;and now that the
Fusioni,i needed malotiiy ttenSei YES tho equities
/ wer. ali wlth hem, and .hat these Republican pre-
| oedruts sustained them ia ther action"
THREE MODES OF SETTLEMENT.
A TALK WITH THE HON. GALUsHA A. GROw-AN
APPEAL TO HE COURTS; SETTLEMENT By THE
| LEGISLATURE ITSELF; THE HONORABLE COURSE
FOR THE MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN COUNTED
IN.
The Hon. Galusha A. Grow. of Pennsylv ania, in a
recent conversation with TRIBUNE reporter, gave
clear and vigorous criticism of Governor Garce-
Ions performances ia Name, and pointed out three
methods by which the attempt to defeat the will Of
the people of that State by tricks and techncalies
may be defeated. The following is an abstract of
| the conversation: