The New York herald., 1879-09-30

has planning mill; 1t does work for outside par
To Mr. shipman-The eeet is about the same in
number as when took hold of it; there are other
organizations here the same mine that are doing
| as good business have no interest in them.
| To Mr.. sterne-Do not carry live stock now; did
| To the Chairman-AIost of the elevators could be
reached with sixteen or seventeen feet OF water.
10 Mr.. Shipman-There are about twenty eight
elevators In the cy; six aoaters connected di-
rectly with the railroads. all are connected with the
canals tlf-ee
| TO Mr.. sterne-The rates we mako to Baltimore.
| Boston and Philadephis made indirectly; the
! rates to Boston are more than to Phiadelphis;
think We have given under seventeen and q half
cents this year fourth class freight Of all kinds;
that rate did not last long, the rates change every
day. We have to change our rates to conform to the
business find to do; do not make special rates;
do not prefer anybody. or do not do any OF that
kind of business; 40 not know OF any instance
where have been asked to do so.
By Mr. sterne.suppose any large house had 2
ana lake woud you not take xous smopnt ppS raa na
OF the rate ut which the contract had been taken A.
THE WESTERN TRANSPORTATION COMPANY
John Allen, DR.. was next sworn:-I am stock
holder OF the Western transportation Company:
have thirteen OF from 500 to 1000
tons burden; have been IN the business twenty-five
years; run in close connection with the New York
York Central Company; we carry to Toledo, Detroit,
Cleveland. Port huron. Milwaukee. Mackinaw and
Chleaso; we have practlcaiiy the monopoly OF the
do large business outside OF the railroad; the New
York Central Company do not own any OF the West
ern transportation Coinpanys vessels am director
in both the Central Company and the Transportation
Company; the connection between the Central Com
pany and the Western transportation Company was
entered into in ls70 the business irrespective the
railroad company, has been depressed during the
past few years. there has not been much boat build
ing during that time; one the results of the de-
preston has been the low ratios OF freight have
capital stock OF the company is 0000 eastern
bound freight we are bound to pay the New York
Central Company the regular rata rate; eastern
fsnr nf hnctv,
done in 1862 and 1868 $40 0O0 700 bushcls; owing
to short crops and the railroad companies entering
into bulk carrying traffic; carried about
IS, 900 900 bushels i'll 1874 and 1875; obliged
to build three large vessels to compete with all rail-
road routes the life OF canal boat is about eight
To Mr.; sMpman:-The contract between the Erie
road and our company. dated the spring of 1862
out in the spring of this year.
COMPLAINTS OF LUMBER DEALERS.
James N. scotcherd testified Have been lum-
Der dealer for twenty-sevcn years in Buffalo; my
business q Wholesale dealer Is practically wiped
out i'll hard wood lumber. which attribute to the
discrimination against the hard wood lumber traffic
hard wood lnnibcr comes from Ohio other
parts OF the West; the dealers in Indianapolis
have to pay S57 from indianapolis to New York,
coming by way of Bufao-that is $32 to Buffalo and
$a5 from there to New York; the pine trade is
waters Indianapolis dealers have no superior
facilities over Buialo dealers; made application
rates to compete with indianapolis doalersS never
had any favorable reply; can't tell how much the
business uocreaSeu
ordinations; nearly all the principal western points
have had special competing rates. the rates now
satisfactory; during the months Of March. April and
May the Eastern business is large. after that 1t
is principally. done in the Vest Eastern
business would not go West If We could get pro-
portionately favorable rates. I think the New
York Central and Erie Railroads. which control the
terminal facilities OF Buffalo prevent it from be-
coming favorable competing point with the West
we havo two railroads around the city owned
by the General and Erie. and one being built
10 Ia ch reed Oer load
IL delivered in Buffalo; the competition which might
be felt from six competing lines in Buffalo Is not
felt, as they are controlled by tho roads named;
found that our neighbors in tho same business had
special rate. and under our rate; on inquring Of
the agent If this was SO, we would be informed that
such was not the case; then he wrote to headquar-
ters. and we then procured the same low rates.
10 MIR. Shipman-Goodman told me this morning
that he could not control the rates to competing
points, and for that reason could not give me the
rates asked for the Bridge was built
some four years since; it was not built by the city
OF Buffao think tho citizens OF Buffalo have prob
ably allowed the railroad company to control the
terminal facilities of Buffalo.
To Mr. Shipman-I have had special rates over the
New York Central; have applied to the Erie for
special rates, but was told could not got them.
To Mr. Sternc-H citizens smyrna get q
lower rate than do they, to certain extent. take
10 Mr.. Gluck-I ship by rail because it Is more
convenient than by canal; have shipped 800 boat
loads OF lumber year, special rates wero not given
me until had made application for them. stating
my noighbors' rates.
10 Mr.. sterne--specal rates were mover given to
had better rates than had; then procured the
same rates without rebate on back shipments.
70 Mr.. Gluck-When l told Mr.. Cummings tho
rate to Troy was $40 per car load no said be would
not believe 1t.
To Chairman-The rates to Albany and Troy wero
$40 and s25 per car load don't know the rate to
dlen's Falls.
John Allen. Jr.'s testimony continucd:-
To Mr.. Sterne-I should think that the falling off
tho general depression OF business: the larger
part OF the produce raised in the West is
corn; It is much larger than wheat and the most Of
it that goes East tho canal; IL there had
boon no railroads in the country the wctcr-carrying
facilities would naturally increase; we do
large local business; the lake transportation
is largely dependent upon tho canal; tho New York
Central docs not allow any one but the Lake Supe-
rior Transit Company to mako rates. except myself,
and that company only from Dubuque; can't say
not carry nny live stock.
To Mr.. Hepburn--rhc proposition the Central
road receives ON shipments from Chicago to New
York IL $45 - per cent OF the full rates.
WHAT BUILT UP BUFFALO.
To Mr.. Sternc-One-q quarter one-eighth cent o
bushel would turn the trado on grain from Chicago
to Milwaukee,; can't estimate what would be neces
sary to turn it from New York to rhiladelphia ON
cast-bound froights; the producer would receive
the difference on fuctuation OF rates. not tho
sumer rates generally higher West than East; tho
bulk OF the traffic IS East; We always charge moro
West bound freight n rule than on East bound;
we havo got to have ten per cent of the tonnage
/ think there is as much fourth class freight
as frst class freight; tho practical effect,
therefore. II there was an actual rate against
Buffalo ut any time, would be to
divert business OF Buffalo. necessarily. and it
would do so. Have not We butt up largely. by
the reduced rates to the West and higher rates
locallyY Yes, and that has been artificial stmu-
laton Cor the past twenty-five years; i'll the main
the vessels tho lake not built to carry package
freight; do not for more package freight
than can hapdily put between decks; sail vessels
do not want such freight; package freight Ia very
largely -four in sacks and barrels, and pork. beef
&c. and everything that comes in bags or barrels
the business Of carrying meats from the West has
Increased for the last three years; Hour has not
Buffalo IL as good port as any on the lakes for
ryinG purposes and IL o superior storage point;
there Is water power at Buffalo; it Is at Black
Rock, Indianapolis. st. Paul and Minneapolis that
they have superior water power.
To Mr.. Hepburn-Therc is elevator association
In Buffalo, and thcy fix the terms Of elevating and
each elevator gets It's proportion matter whether
IL elevatcs or not; competition determines tho
canal freight rates largely; the price of canal
transportation depends upon the demand and sup
Ply the toll also fxes the rate by canal ton years