The Kenosha telegraph. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1860-1888, 1879-06-19
RICH AND RACY.
Humors of the Kellogg-spofford Investiga-
ton at Washington.

rler In that CITY,. he Knew AOu MuI
raw. Witness gave an account Of his
arrangement with Murray and Cavanac,
to swear to an affidavit that he had rep
resented Thomas in the Legislature and
voted for Kellogg. VI - ,
Witness said he signed one or two
statements and took quasi oath. AysR
Mr.. Merrick-It was a fiat, straight
forward lie? "a '''
A. No, there was some truth in it. 4 !,
O. Who forced you to make the aft
dayit? l.a..y s,se:ftl-,F
A. I was persuaded to do it. and T
did not think the act involved legal re-
sponsibility. E,,si,adf11 \
@. 1t was moral turpitude? q '' -
4, I had right t tf' !, 50 / act a8isn1
@. You swore to lie?
A. 1t was truth judiciously expressed.
@. There are times, then, when you
can swear to u lie. Is that the way you
understand console ntious scruples. III
A. am minister. laughter. &
o. Tn Gods name, of what church?
A. OF all the colored churches. l am
Universalist.l laughter 133 ii roll
@. Do you believe in hell?a y,t4
A. I do, but have modified my senti-
ments so far as that is concerned. |
have reserved rights. 1t is scriptural to
not let the LETT hand know what the
right hand does.
@. You formerly taught religious
ideas, but now have gone into swear
ing? q @a ~ WN 49, Aa
A. Bulldozerss have chased all that
away. I have certain reserved rights on
general principles. @
Q. You reserve the right to lie and
to suppress the truth. want to know
whether that is SO? g|@ alsS
A. No. Sft Z @93 M
@. What has become Of your reserved
rights iE #gE
A. The moral atmosphere of Wash
ington has purified my ideas. Laugh
@. Like the chameleon, you change
your hue and make your character
partake of the morals Of the place.
You will not lie in Washington, but
have an unreserved right to do so in
New Orleans. %S# E@i .@
A. I think I will go back a reformed
man. Laughter.
O. A perfect reformation in a moral
atmosphere, and youvwiH never swear
to another lie? .asim0I0 1910 YG.sIij
A. Not lie.
@. You say in your affidavit, "Itook
Thomas seat and cast his vote for Kel-
logg." Is that true? You know it is q
lie. '".l'@s "A H"1 o&i@. o' a. 'AS,tti "a
A. Yes. 'noe&'f p lSsi'' %
Q. And you swore to it as lie? aisl
A. I thought it right thus to accom-
plish my object. H9ubl ,sal 8g8E r 29t
Q. And that was money? la Ieo Is
A. I have as much right to swear to a
lie for money as aADemocrat has to burn
my house. I can show by the laws of
Louisiana it is not penal oHense to
swear to a lie. N # nss. se4n .@ ~
Q. You are also lawyer as well as a
preacher. Do you, as man, believe in
hell and the penitentiary?
A. I think it. rightsto dos I did !;
nay, as taught by Louisiana jurispru-
dence. HS ......
Q. You, in your affidavit, swore to
lie? e - &3 s-e-s. .--..s
A. That was optional. ~ 81 III }
Q. You made it for an agreement of
money? What induced you to swear
the other way? 81 - -. : .'a -. Ut . ..
A. The sting of conscience. [Laugh-
ter. I had been laboring under moral
turpitude, and since then my conscience
has been aroused.
Q. How often do you,have moral tur-
pitude? Once d month Laughter
A. Only that once.
@. You haven't it now?q Them
atmosphere has cleaned it all out?
A. Yes. sDAI8 W 5EI
In further response witness said he
was exercising the right of ar, Ameri
can citizen to lie as he pleased. ar 10
Q. You are exercising that right here
to-day? sa 11ttfT0JC 3TI9o,
A. No; r am not permitted to exer-
else this right by Democrats. in Louisi-
ana. BGIf&F LAT G9B
Q. You reserve the right to lie? '''
A. No; the telling of the truth as
understand it. I have no intention to
lie about dead men. ......,. ...m... 49,.
The next witness was an ignorant
black man named Robert B. Johnson,
who was member. OF the Packard Leg
islature.
"I nebber," he said, "got no. money
fur votin' for Kellogg. If dat man dar
(pointing to Tom Murray says did, de.
penitentiary is the bes' place TO- him.
I nebber showed no money, nor nebber
tole no man got de money fur votin'
fur Kellogg. Don't know of nobody. 1
don't want to treat dis committee with
contempt. got q family to support. L
made mo- by work den I does by comm
fore dis committee. l doesn't loaf Ike
Murray; dat niger should be sent to
the penitentiary. What Tom Murray
says is a point blank lie. know nothin'
about it. De scoundrel ought to be
strung up by the neck. Use only slightly
'qusintsd with Murray. Ise better man
and lives mo- 'apectable; the idea of
Murray sayin' dat he'll repent!'
The witness was very much ex-