The New York herald., 1879-12-08

nlittse 10 wait on Mr. parnell when he arrives in
Sew York. The Inenbers OF the Parnell tnion state
that they expect have grand mass meeting soon.
at which Mr. Parall viii present the of Ireland
to the American pubic. In the meantime tue agi-
tatlon VIII hinge on the question OF relef only ny
money and sympathy.
A CONSERVATIVE vIEw--No COALITION LIKELY
BETWEEN ENGLISH AND IRISH LANDHoLDERS-
THE AGITATION IN ENGLAND VERY LIMITED
IRELAND NOT SUFFERING wEoNGs-vIEws OF
MissRS. PILL. AND READ, OF THE ENGLISH
LAND COMMISSION.
Mr.. Albert Pell Mp. and his colleague. Mr. Glare
Scwell Read, NJ. p. of the royal commission APP
pointed to investigate the causes of the trade de.
preston in England far they were due ta
American competition. reached this city Satur-
day after general visitation of the States
and Canadas. AS both gentlemen in
timately connected with agricultural interests
in England and nave wide knowledge of the farm
ing classes their competency to speak with author
ity on the land agitation in England and Ireland is
assured. Besides. the mission they have just com
pleted gives their utterances more weight when
they are made in connection with the classes whom
it was the object of their work to pefriend. The
two gentlemen were called upon by reporter of
the HERALD at their quarters in the Vest
minister Hotel yesterday. Although the pursuit.
of their Investigations must have been
tended with little fatigue of mind aud
body, both appeared to be in excellent spirits al
though Mr.. Pei suffering from slight indispo-
sIon Os the result OF their mission they were, OF
course disincined speak. their visit wa $ an
official and their opinions were naturally
served for report OF the same character. On tho
subject of the land agitation in both England and
Ireland they seemed less reticent although both
fain to maintain that IN the former country at
least it was mere simulacrnm OF a popular move
ment and had neither form nor substance.
ENGLISH AGITATION.
''The English land movement MIR. Pell Joculary
the next general Parliamentary election. "You do
not refer to earthquakes, landslides or the likei
NO" Me ane asenT hsps no disono no ones
the English farmers abont the possession of land.
II there are any changes ut all they would essay.
''Yes." said Mr.. Read. taking up the strain. call
talk about their looking for the abolition Of the
laws OF primogeniture and the like is exaggerated.
They themselves feel too deeply how much better
their interests subserved by long continuance
under one family than by a submission to precari-
changes to concern themselves about
prmogeniture Alterations 1t is true, they
would desire to have made in the processes
of transferring land They would have % the land
transfer made cheaper, less cumbersome aud
more satisfactory. Less stamps. they believe.
could be used and other modihcations OF kindred
character they would doubtless deem good. But
these reforms not Of nature to affect the alle
glance to party. What the farmers do want is to be
paid for the improvements they have made upon
their land when they are leaving it in absence
Of q written contract. But complaint that
is not scale calculated to excite any APP
prehension for the transfer of land is at any rate
only occasional 1t IS not made a matter of specula
ton there 1t is here In tact, investment there
pays badly as the purchase of lxDd. People are
aware of that They do not buy it "r proft. hut Tor
enjoyment. They want II tor homes, where they
can move freely about
..And keep other people from looking into their
of ALL capitalists, Mr.. Read Went on .the land
owners get the least for their money-on average
more than two aud three-quarters per cent. and
that is not calculated to invite speculation"
'Will the members representing agricultural in
terests be likely to form separate party aud en-
asked
..Not at all" said Mr.. Pell. 1--WE are not stirred up
by politics. We not politicians at all there.
We simpler people. We don't want to be
robbed ourselves and We don't rob others. The few
claims Of the agrculturalists Will not convulse u.s.
CoMBINATION WITH THE IRISH.
"Do you suppose them likely to combine with the
Irish home rulers land agtators in order to attain
.Ouite improbable" said Mr.. Pell. 'There is no
afiliaton between them. nor do suppose that the
Irish land agitators will fnd support readily. do
hand the land to the tenant There two
people concerned in the ownership OF the land:
the COWS and pigs on it. This latter
now wants to become landlord. Well. say he
succeeds He will let it in turn and you Will
have the same state OF things over again. There Is
q good deal of excitement over this land agitation
now but fancy it is chiefly due to the newspapers,
which have raked it into life during the dull season
Of the year. Without doubt things an unsatis-
factory condition in Ireland But this time the objec
ton is not against tyranny and extortion, but
against rent. They want fair rent. Now. what is
fair rent to be? Who is to determine it? What
laborer, what mechanic would be content II farty
of gentlemen to make up their minds to meet
monthly and determine the value of their services
and not agree to pay them either fair price
unfair price9 Now there is nothing in the Irish
character that can see to justify this departure
from honesty.
FORMER Injustice.
"No doubt" Mr.. Pel went on Ireland has sui.
fered great injustice at times Her industries at
heavy duties on her goods. That unjustifable.
Here your people i'll New York You will not take
our iron steel rails but at double value Steel
rails could be bought l know for S26 a ton, and q
duty of SIS added to it. You say you do
that for revenue. but you know it is to nurture i'm
dustry. or course Ireland has little manufactures
ut any rate Except in the eastern portion and at Bel
fast. where linen and certain machinery is made.
there few mechanical industries. 1t is in
the production of bacon. butter and eggs
she most excels. aud to that. I think. tho
believe too. it should in america They can better
be produced here than wheat. The land is adapted
for the purpose Ireland Is like it, too IN many re-
spects. only there you have bogs where you
sink ankle deep and you have rain every other day.
while on your prairies-noble tracts of land they
are-the weather can be pretty well depended on.
''Talking about injustice to Ireland. it must not
be forgotten that she is not taxed heavily
late years there has been great remission of
generally. Nor is Ireland taxed according to tho
real value of her land either but according to valu
ations made years ago. Where she is charged half
penny England is charged two pence.
eff the English and Scotch radicals should pledge
themselves to support the farmers movement Will
not the farmers representatives be likely throw
themselves into the radical party and dispacc the
wings and moderate liberalsy asked the HERALD
man.
There is chance of it at ALL" Mr. Pell
turned. "They know they can get nothing out OF
it. They sensible people. too. and not easily
led"
..will not the theories of recent English po-
litca writers concerning free trade in land tend
to influence the action OF the liberals and farmers
members In ParliamentY"
.'Such theories only came from extreme liberals"
the reply, land were not formed for any con-
tinuance. There is no talk now about tree trade in
land"
els there any chance Of an alliance between the
English Farmers Alliance ana the Irish National
Land Lacquer"
''No more than there is between oil and vinegar"
This came from MIR. Pell decisivoly that it LETT
no doubt to his conviction that the interests
of the English agricuturists had nothing in common
with those of the Irish land agltators.
AID FOR IRISH PEASANTS.
ST. LouIs. No.. Dec Z. 1879.
Extensive arrangements have been made for .