The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1879-05-06
JUDGED BY HIS BRETHREN.
DR. TtLMIGE's CISE Nv THE HANDS or
THE BROOKLYN PRESBYTERS.


Ground on which "n Aeauittai Is Predicted.
Tho Brooklyn Presbytcry met Yesterday
afternoon with closed doors.
Mr.. Willard called in question some Of the
testimony as stated by the Rev. Arthur Crosby
| in the summing up for the prosecution and
| gave II rs he had understood II. Instead OF
there being no denial Of Dr. Van Dykes testi-
mouy that the Rev. DR.. Tamage had called tho
Row. |. W. Hathaway n defaulter to the funds
Of the church. he lMr. Mlllardl claimed that
there was positive denial 10y DR.. Talmage.
| Mr. Crosby referred TO the 590th page OF
the testimony, and to page 1.7ss. to show that
| he was correct. Mr.. Willard said that DR.. Tai
IMAGES fiat denial was in his testimony in his
| averment that no never remembered 10 have
called DR.. Van Dyke notorious liar.
d" Tho question OF DR.. Tamage's calling me a
notorious liar" said DR.. Van Dyke. is not tho
case. 1t ought not to influence any man"
| DIR. Van Dyke then moved that tho roll be
| called. and each member DO asked to express
his opinion in the case. motion to limit the
speeches 10 ten minutes was lost. and DR.. Van
| Dykes resolution was carried.
Mr.. Aaron Peck. whose name was tho first
called. said that he should vote not to sustain
the charges. He believed that DIR. Tnlmage felt
| that he had been misused in the matter OF the
| Christian at Work. He. could understand how
DR.. Talmage felt and how he could have CON
| sidered the sale surreptitious. and from his
| standpont there was no deceit Ho added:
| The worst thing that can be said of DR., Tai.
| mage il that he was guilty Of sharp practice.
Buthe was not a liar, as common fame said"
The Rev. W. J. Bridges said that his opinion
Sustained" lie thought that the Circular case
had q bad look He was sorry to know OF
minister having acted In that way, He thought
| that DR.. TamaEo was guilty OF falsehood and
deceit in allowing the announcements to be
didn't ike The free TaSernacie charge. The
announcement that people were seated without
10 have been maintained. He considered that
he Hathaway charge was most fully proven.
He did not like the look OF the telegram case.
and although he cast his vote against DIR. Tai
mage, he did i sorrowingly.
DIR. J. II. Caan said that he had scrutinized
the testimony very carefully. and had made up
his mind how he should vote, The strongest
proof OF DR.. Talmage'e free church system was
that he had refused $4,000 salary to have tho
pews rented. and then had surrendered his
own salary Tor the sake OF his principle. The
speaker had made up his mind carefully and
prayerfuly. and he should vote not to sustain
DR.. Cuyier said that he would take no part in
the discussion. as he had not favored tho action
OF the Presbytery in the first place. He would
express no opinion.
now than ever that the prosecution have failed
to prove that Dr. Talmage is guilty OF falsehood
The Rev Dr. Drake. the oldest Presbyter. said
that eternity could best determine how much
his aversion TO the trial had biased his mind
but he had listened to all attentively. and his
vote was no cause Of action"
| Inc keN. mos. j. Evans snld that ne wished
he was DIR. Talmage with all his faults. for DR..
ralmage had many. less than most OF them
lie would not prop his vote with excuses. His
mind was well made up; his conviction was
clear.
The Rev p L. Foote said that he could not
| escape in his own conscience from the convc-
| ton that II he had done the things which Dir.
Talmage had done it would have been wrong;
second Specifications TO vote not sustained"
He could pass the third specification. but on
The four others he must vote Guilty.
| The Rev Amos n Erepmau (cOlDroll said
that Whatever mistakes DIR. TalmaRe had made,
he Mr.. Freemanl thought the Presbytery had
| made equally great n mistake when IL
brought this. case up as il had done. He snw
no reason why the should not vote not to sus-
The Roy Dr.. Lyman Gilbert said that he
thought Mr.. Hallock's own testimony knocked
could DR. Talmag0 with dozen irons in the
IRE and poker and tongs. how could he correct
bert discussed the law OF limitations at length
until German member said; - Vgsh derr not
| SOON limit TO dose speeches, Mr.. Moderator ~
Mr.. Gilbert laughed aud went on. lie wished
Ia vote Not sustained 10 all the specifications
The Rev. j. Ahccl Baldwin. who had come
| from the bier of his dead wile to vote. said that
he was prepared to acGuit DR.. TaInagc on all
The li,v.J Milton Greene the clerk. said that
Or, Iamnge wits not 50 eccentric mat the lgori
md made special law for him. Before God he
MR. Greenel must vote TO sustain all Of the
specifications aud the charge. IL had thought
al out it all day and night and he could not
come To any other conclusion.
The Rev. Charles Cuthbert Hall sent a letter
explaining his absence, and adding; / do not
find the charges to be- sustained 10y facts. and,
therefore, with great thnnkiulness 10 God.
The Rev p. q. Hastings confessed that since
| the trial began there mai been decided change
| oi sentiment in his mind toward DR.. Talmage.
| lie now believed in the fundamental simplicity
and honesty Of the man. He thought Mr.. Hal
| lock did not act on the wi tness stand as though
| h. very much harmed and he certainly had
| lost no money. The speaker thought that the
third specialization partook Of meddiing.
, | The Rev. John Meury wished his vote record
| ed rs against sustain NJ the charges.
! The Row Charles Jones said the first specn-
i | cation was the result OF diamond cut diamond.
, | That night raid on the press Of the CHRISTIAN at
WORK was not proper for teacher of morals.
i, man he was raised as a sailor; but in moral
| point OF view he could not acquit or yindicute,
, | either on the first or second specifications. He
, | yielded TO DR.. Talmage's explanations on the
| third specification relative to the pews. and the
NTH relative To the telegram. and would vote
| not TO sustain them. He should vote To sustain
! | specification four. relative To Mr. Hathaway
although his mind waversd somewhat He be-
| iryed that in these specifications DIR. Talmagc
, | had been guilty Of deceit.
: The blind pastor the Rev DR.. Adam McIel-
7 | land said that 10 obta n pardon confession and
, | penitence were necessary. DR.. TalmGge had
4 | not only not manifested either. but had said
boldly that he had done no wrong. He thought
| that DR.. Talmage had been guilty Of n similar
transaction as that for which the great Apostle
> rebuked Peter; he had been guilty Of deceit
= | lie had figured in strange tissue OF deceits
= | running through month"; To acquit DR.. Tai
mage would put the stamp of appreciation on
|
. | had no doubt that if his own conduct was raked
I up for several years that \ thousand things
= | would be found TO make him blush although
! | they were not present to his conscience then
: | He thought that DIR. TamHge WAS clearly guilty
! | Of falsehood and deceit. but there were some
: | excavations in his favor
At 7. NJ. the Presbytery adjourned until I
: | p. Nj. to-day. when II Is probable that vut,
i | will be reached after further speeches are made
: | Mr.. Willard made a farewell speech 10 the Pres
. | byters thanking them for their forbearanc,
> and courtesy. which he said he knew he had
= taxed with the inlrmity Of his temper. He goes
I | away rs a missionary In the service OF the Sea
i mems Friends Society.
|; | DR.. Talmage said to q reporter TINT no ex
u pected an acdulttal. He had relied upon il
| from the first
! DR.. Van Dyke also admitted that he believed
= the vote would be one OF acquittal. The vote ai
developed by the opinions Of the ministers eX
pressed yesterday will. II is thought be- us fol
lows:
/, :, To Sustain the, Charge. J. Bridges, l. R
. Foote Adam McLeland J, NJ Greene. Charles
2 Jones. ]. NJ Sherwood, ". II. Taylor. ii. j. Var
u Not 10 Sustain.-Aaron Peck. j. ii. Callan, ].
: Dawson; Thomas ! Evan Evans, b b Drake a
= e, Hall. y, g. Hastings John Meury. JohT
a Neander j. Il Rockwell o. s. St. John. Alfred
| Taylor, j. q. Williamson, Charles Wood, Sam