The Kenosha telegraph. [volume] (Kenosha, Wis.) 1860-1888, 1879-11-20
BOURBON DESIGNS.
An Important Interview With Hon Matt Ri.
Carpenter.

can. This interview is interesting, for in
it Senator Carpenter relates how he be-
heves the Confederates in Congress will
try to cheat the Republicans out of any
results that may come from the cleo
| tons:
Reporter-Concedinga asa foregone conclusion
the election of their candidate for President in
| 1850, will the Republicans be able at the same
time to regain control of Congress?
] Senator Carpenter-I don't think there's
much doubt about their regainlng the House.
What with the undoing of the Democratic
| gerrymander In Ohio an the strength of the
national ticket which will be given to Con-
1 gressional nominees in debatable or doubtful
dl5trlcts, the chances certainly lie in that dlrec-
ton. But unless some unforeseen casualty oc-
/ ours they will hardly be able to regain Their as
tendency in the Senate until 1888 When they
had it in that body they didn'G guard it as care
fully as they should, and consequently lost
several Senators from the South, whose votes
now and in the immediate future would come
| IN prop1t1ously In partisan sense.
| Rep.--Ald what are these casualties?
| Senator C.--There are elk Senators who hold
over until the Forty eighth Congress, who now
as Democrats represent Republican States, or
States that soon will be. These are Senators
Grover, of Oregon; Farley, of California; Da-
Wis Counting him as of the opposition), of ILL
uols; Pendleton, of Ohio; and McP herson, of
New Jersey. The death, resignation, or re-
moval from the Senate from any cause of any
one of these would be followed by the election
OF Republican successor. If such a casualty
should occur, and Senator Kellogg should be
retained in his seat, the election of Republican
Senators to the rty-seventh Congress in
Ohio, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Indiana, New
Jersey and New York, to succeed Senators
Thurman Wallace, Eaton, Mcdonald, Ran
dolph and Herman, would give the Republicans
bare working majority, even ii Judge Davis
should not act with them. The Democrats, as
il new appears, will gain only one Senator by
the election of lSSl-the successor of Senator
Bruce, Of Mississippi, although there is bare
possibility that Senator Mcdonald may either
succeed himself or be succeeded by another of
his own party.
Rep.-These are close calculations
Senator C.-Yes; but not too close in view of
the gravity Of the political situation | have
been led with others to look into these possible
contingencies while considering Senator Kel-
logg's case, now pending before the Committee
on Privileges and Elections Of course our
Democratic friends have calculated all these
chances, and we should do the same It's al
ways well to measure the strength and the mo-
tives of your adversary in such contest as
this one over Mr.. Kellogg's seat, and there's no
mocracy in this instance than to inquire into
their partisan necessities as viewed from their
own standpoint. Looking at the matter in this
light, and also in the light of the contingencies
[ have alluded to, they may go ahead, sooner or
later, with an attempt to unseat him.
Rep.-Why do you say sooner or later?
Senator C.-Well, it would be poor policy for
them to push things in this matter before the
December session of 1880. If they make up
their minds not to unseat him they will proba-
bly, render report very soon. But if they
are determined that he shall go, they will wait
until after the national election next year.
Rep.-How do you make that out?
Senator easy enough! You see, Mr..
Conkling especially, and the newspapers gen
orally, have made an issue, as it is called, of
this case in this falls campaigns. In this way
the people have been educated up to due IN
derstanding of the importance Of Senator Kel-
logg's removal to the Democrats, and the
equal importance to the Republicans of his re-
tention. In other words, the case has been dis
cussed in all its bearings, and to some ex-
tent had an influence in the result of the late
elections The conspiracy to remove him has
been made to appear in its true Hght--as a
partisan maneuver to make solid South in
the Senate, for Messrs. Kellogg and Bruce are
the only Republican Senators left from that
section. And the Democrats are not foolish
enough to give further evidence Of such parti-
san recklessness until after the national cleo
ton next November. If they should attempt
to unseat him before that time they would have
to answer for it at the polls; while if they wait
until the December session next year they will
have plenty of time-four months-in which to
do as they please.
Rep.-And if they do GUST him?
Senator C.-If they do it viii be by the exer-
else OF the most arbitrary and unconstitutional
power and in violation of all law ard prece-
dent Why, he holds the seat by a better ten
nh II 1o1,
for that matter, than that of any other Senator
in the body, except, perhaps, Mr.. Butler, who
wSs seated in the same way he was. He was
not admitted in the ordinary way because hj0
>Srdticate was acceptable and accepred; but tne
Senate went behind the prin1a-face evidence,
examined into the merits III his favor. If he
had been admitted simply on his certificate b.,
would have been on a level with other Sc. a.
tors, but as it is, his case has been sole:nnly
investigated, cal efully and rigidly inquired in
to and his title declared to be complete. The
wording of the resolution adopted by the Sen
ate upon which he was admitted shows that
his case is res 0Qju0ic0t0.
Rep.-Well, to switch off from the Senate
rial question. You remarked the other day
that Ger. Grant, if dominated, would be
elected?
Senator C-Yes, Fats what I said, and I
might have adder that, if elected, he will be
inaugurated.
w A4oe you LuOhu Ny tudS ISA din!
Senator C.-Exactly what I say He'll be
maugurated, despite the efforts that may be
made to prevent it. Pm not all alarmist, and
don't want TO be reported as such. But see
am In for it with you, and might as well go
on with a prediction that I've often made Of
late It is that the Democrats will protest
against the count of the electoral votes Of some
one or more of our Republican States when
the two houses meet in joint convention for
that duty in February, 1891 They will base
their protest upon whrt they will allege to have
been an unconstitutional exercise Of Federal
power in the execution of the national Election
laws. They may take California for this pur-
| pose, or New York, or Pennsylvania, or any
State wherein the slightest pretense, real
manufactured for The express object, may be
| furnished. Then the two houses will separate,
| and one or both will sustain the protest The
| vote of that State will be thrown out, and
| it will be declared that there was no election.
| md the House will assume to elo;t President
Rep.-And then what will haprenS
Senator C.-Well, the preliminary arrange
menus for that emergency will be made in the
| House, the same as they are attempting to
make them in the Senate by unseating Mr..
Kellogg, so that the Democratic nominee for
| President will be elected. under the form and