The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1879-01-15

| thought one or two names had been previously
signed; he did not remember seeing any body in the
room except Mr.. Clark, anybody coming up or
| going down stairs. Nv
I @. by the Chairman-Did You hear what was the
matter with the first set of certificates A. Only that
O. When did YOU hear that some Of the signatures
| OF the second set were not genuines A. think l
heard so from Mr. Levisee one of the electors. but
had also heard through the press from converse
with Mr.. Levisce about it; do not know anything
except about the execution of the second set; it is
quite true that did not forge sgnatures did not
| do it myself nor do know who did it.
{. KELLY RECALLED
Thomas 5. Kelley, the witness examined on Satur-
day. was recalled The Chairman stated that that
day the witness asked the direct question by Mr.
Cox Whether he forged the name OF either
| tifcates? and that the witness declined to answer
until he could consult counsel The Chairman
swer. Tho witness answered that he was prepared.
and answered that he did not forge the signatures.
The charman-What knowledge have you person
| ally the subject
witness-I have means of proving the knowl-
The Chairman called attention to several of the
sentences the witness used III his letter to him in
June last-among them the following IL will show
you the man who forged the Signatures and asked:
'On what ground did you make that statement?
A. believed ut the time that had the knowledge to
do it, but cannot do so now 1t Is matter OF i'm
possibility.
The Chairman-You say i'll your letter to me that
wished to keep this secret because you feared
that persons in Louisiana would not hesitate to MUIR
der you!
The witness said he had no such fear, but thought
the remark would impress the Chairman with the
propriey of keeping the contents OF the letter secret
| g Did you form your opinion that the names of
Jofrion and Levisee were forged because they were
not i'll New Orleans ut the time? A. have other
reasons.
o. What are the other reasons? A. Icannot answer
and that wonld place me in the same position was
| III on Saturday.
answer.
An incidental discussion ensucd in which Mr..
Butler said the witness had asserted he could not
uns fIa lai n nj ha
quences. "Now,' Mr.. Butler asked. ''if you have
sworn you did not coDniit the forgery how can YOU
it can harm you?" A. The fact that present
at the time involves me; had nothing to do with it
By Mr.. Hiscock-Did you counsel or advise such
O. Did you aid or abet or assist in the forgery: A.
cannot answer the question at present.
The witness was required by the following vote to
answer the question:
yEAs-Messrs. Morrison, Hunton, stenger, Blackburn,
NAYs-Messrs Hscock Reed and the Chairman
After further proceedings the witness asked
what other reasons he had for knowing that the
James OF Johrion and Levisee forged, other
than the fact that they were not in New Orleans ut
The witness answered he could not state positively
as to the name OF Levisee but could to the
OF Jo1trion.
HIS ANSWER AT LAST.
Mr.. Cox-Who forged his name? A. TWAS done by
d. r. Blanchard, clerk in the Governors ofico
none but the witness and Blanchard were present ut
the time
The committee then took q recess until half-past
The committee did not reassemble until half-past
two O'clock The examination of Mr.. Kelly was con-
tnuod. In reply to an inquiry OF Mr.. Cox to how
he came to write his letter to the chairman OF the
committee the witness said that at the time Hayes
elected the republicans OF Louisiana thought he
had not treated them he should have done,
erlng the circumstances under which he elected
and the witness therefore thought he would return
the compliment; for this reason he wrote the letter.
He discaimed personal pique in the matter, dsap
pontment because he was not successful in obtaining
Office.
TO MAKE CAPITAL FOR rILDEN.
Mr.. Cox-Did anybody approach You to the
character Of the evidence you should give before this
committees! A. l was approached once by gentle
man named Maddox; he introduced to me by
Colonel George W. Carter, and he i'll the in
tercst of the committee from the committee; no
came to the paac where was stopping and had a
conversation with Inc, the purport Of which
He was employed by high authority from this COM
mittee to ascertain what my testimony would be- he
offered inducement for to testify that
no questions should be asked to injure
the committee was, he said. make political capital
for Tilden aud against Thurman. As further in
go a considerable distance. to San Francisco
and could then be summoned back, protiting by the
GENERAL nurLEn's ANIMATION
The wituess was cross-exaniined at considerable
length by General Butler. He said. among other
things that Blanchard who committed the forgery OF
names to the certificate, is dead.
General Butlcr-You say that Blanchard not only
had an opportunity to forge the signature alone with
out being seen, but he called you to witness it.
ing. ''How is that for high!' What have you
to make to that! a. That's what he did.
e. Was there any particular intimacy between you
and Blanchard? A. l in different position from
other messengers; could write when the force of
the Office short.
Q. Have tic kindness to write the name Of JofY
rion A. decline to do so.
Y. Write your
The witness did so, saying, THAT is my signature
now"
O. Give me your signature it used to be.
The witness did so, and i'll further reply to ques
tons he said lac had one signature for letters to
friends ana another for business.
.. Why diu you make u difference in signatures
\. The matter concerns myself and made q differ
ence in my signature because chose.
Y. Why A. Because it suited my pleasure.
The witness being examined by the chairman said
he did not tell Maddox what testimony he was going
to give bu, he informed jerome Johnson who is EN-.
ployed in the Treasury Department, ard Kennedy
who is employed by the Senate what his convcrsa-
ton with iddox was. The witness further said that
when he the forging of the to the electoral
certificate he did not think 1t matter OF importance
to be talked about.
General Baker next referred the witness to q sem
tencc in his letter to Dir. Potter in which lac said:
II could the electoral certificates could show the
forgery of tho OF ofrion we'll that Of Icvisre
have made marks them prove
10 show you the who did 1t.
General Butler exhibited to him the certificates
and asked him 10 point out the marks of which he
spoke III his letter. The witness replied that the
difference was in the handwriting and make up.
These were the marks; nc designed Others
The Chairman Mr. Potter. wished to say, with re-
spect to statement Of the witness keily) that he
was sitting at New York at the time the alleged COM
munication from this committee ma Ia, and that
he never authorized Mr.. Maddox, Colonel Carter or
body else TO speak to the witness regard to his
evidence otherwise.
The committee adjourned until Thursday morning.
THE WITNESS ST. MARTIN.
The counsel OF Secretary sherman, Judge Shella-
barGer said privately this afternoon that the ex-
animation OF st. Martin would dcpend> upon future
developments in the committee.
THE CIPHER DISPATCHES.
Representative Potter that he could not ycs
tcrday Introduce resolution House asking Tor
authority to examine into the cipher dispatches and
an appropriation TO pay expenses attending tho
proceedings, because the business the House was
interrupted by Representative Scheiccr funeral;
ne ofcr the resolution until Monday az
any other day unanimous consent is Required aud
this could not be obtained, he understands that
General Butler and perhaps others would object. he
be will, therefore, offer the resolution next Mon
day for adoption under suspension OF the rules.
ANOTHER ARMY BILL.