The New York herald., 1879-12-12

exchange the federal constitution for that one. but
to do away with the constitution and establish i'm
perialisn the sake or hope at least of So
curing justice through the enjoyment of equal
rights and privileges. The gentlemen with whom I
have spoken this subject haven't gone far as to
say they would actively help to plant Granr
dynasty. They have merely said they would not
hinder any move Grant aud his friends might make
up. and that they would stand the empire
if declared.
A CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT GOD!
"Such. however" said General Gary. walking up
and down the door. sis not my plan policy.
I'm in favor by God of constitutional govern
ment--a republican government. and in favor of
perpetuating it, II the time comes I'm ready
to throw my sword into the scale for this. and
against any monarchical innovation whatsoever.'
BAyARD-TILDEN.
"who." put to him at last. "is the candidate Of
the Southern democrats for President?"
Take tho leaders-3ayard is their choice. un-
doubtedly. Take the people-Tilden would be theirs
/ am not myself Baysrd man. Thomas H. Ewing
is my preference His financial principles are my
own. Bsyard's are not. can't understand the
democratic Adelity of man who stands, as Bayard
does, on q radical republican financial platform.
Pm Jackson democrat and can understand the po-
sition in this respect of General Ewing To my
mind Jackson was the greatest man the democratic
party ever had-greater than Calhoun, Webster
either-in brains in nerves. in far-sceng statesman
ship"
"Yet how do you associate his financial ideas with
those OF Ewing?'
'In this way:-Jackson in his day opposed to
a national bank. He would therefore be opposed
to-day to the present national banks. He was op-
posed to the consolidation Of the money power-the
grandest. most absorbing Of modern powers-into
hands outside the peoples. So is General Ewing"
THE PoPULACE AND TILDEN.
Gas to the popular preference for Tilden-what of
that?"
"Well, now, that is comprehensive question.
The people Of our State-that is to say. the
of them-have been SO absorbed by their own
troubles that they have not digesed questions in
volving national finance inquired how these
questions would be affected by this that President
to come into power All democrats of the strict
type willing abide by tho decision OF the Ma
tional Democratic Convention. All. too, pretty
we'll recognize the doctrine that South Caro-
lina which was so active Inc stirring up
the late civil war. ought to be little
modest Just at present-ought not to attempt to
control matters when the former attempt to control
them resulted in such immense loss and suffering.
Therefore. say our people have not yet formulated
their preference. and it's only feeling in the air
which leads me to describe it as for Tilden.''
"why, General" exclaimed o confidential friend,
who stood during tho conversation. don't you
know very we'll there amt man. woman or white
child IN South Carolina that wouldn't go for Tlden
if he was nominated again p
BADLY TREATED-DAMN HIM.
"Just you hold on. I'm coming to that" said
General Gary 'Tilden. IL he gets nominated again,
will get the unanimous support of the Southern peo-
ple It's idle to dispute that soldest of all solid
facts in the so-called solid South. Damn him pro-
ceeded the General. now warming to the theme.
'.I'm sorry for him. too. I think Tilden has
been badly treated. He sold out by Southern
leaders. He ought not, however. to have suffered
himself to be sold out by anybody. He should have
claimed his rights. That's why. while say
I'm sorry for him. add that don't like his sort
OF a man. He has nothing OF tho Andrew
Jackson kind in him. Yet I would sup
port him heartily again. because believe
he was sacrificed to the South and that
tho South him IN atonement. Moreover.
believe that. being the greatest political tactician
OF the time. having immense machinery which he
has organized at his disposal having still the most
powerful of his friends in 1878 to back him. and.
perhaps. having besides the commodity he Is re-
ported to have by the barreful. he may DO nomi-
mated in 1880. and. If nominated. will certainly be
elected"
SAMUEL SOLD OUT BY THE SOUTH.
"But you say Tilden was sold out by Southern
leaders. That's phase. Howr
"Oh, I know it will raise the DEVIL" said General
Gary ''but it might well come out. Tho long and
short Of it is that proposition made to me at
the well known mass meeting at Abbevie in 1876 to
withdraw the Tilden electors of this Statel''
THE SHAMEFUL PROPOSITION.
"By whom"
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been nominated but not elected for the Governor.
ship. He, Toombs and myself spoke at that meet.
ing. Hampton approached me on the platform with
that proposition"
'Now," asked General Gary. .'please explain for
what reason that suggestion made. and what
service its adoption would have been to Hampton's
cause"
''well, sir at that time wanted to redeem South
Carolins from carpetbag rule. aud some OF ddn't
care q damn how it was to come about Hampton
knew that the radicals here wouldn't vote fol
Tiden and Hendricks and ut the same
time they hated Chamberlain. the republican
candidate for Governor. like tho devil. II
was understood that Cook and Mackey said they
would bolt the Hampton State ticket II Hampton
would withdraw the Tldsn electors and thus insure
the State for the republican national ticket. Hamp
ton virtually said to those men. If your elect me
That was why he came to me at Abboville with tn.
proposition have mentioned"
SHARP AsswKR TO HAMPTON.
"what did you say to itr'
II said. In the first place. that. South Carolini
had sent delegates and fairly participated In tn,
National Convention which nominated Tilden. the
withdrawal Of the electors would be piece of bat
faith. In the next place. said 1t couldn't be don,
without calling another convention. To thiI
Hampton responded that It might be don,
through the State Executive Committee. without
acquicscing answered Hampton that 4
he and the rest were resolved to do 4
I wouldn't make war upon the conclusion. I've
since heard that ut q meeting held that night, which
I didn't attend. but at which Hampton. Toombs
General MCGOWAN and Colonel Cothran were pres
ent. there hot time. MCGOWAN wouldn't
agree. nohow. aud the project fell through. Never
thcless. I've always regarded 1t in the light of
traitorous disahection to Tiden before his election