The New York herald., 1879-02-07

out that Here there was another wrangle. and Mr..
Reed said ssrcastically -'n crossexamination. you
see want to get at the little points of truth that
had been forgotten in the search for truth on the
other side; We want to get together the a'sec'd
The words "The expense of what you do will
be met" in OF the kilograms were referred To by
r meea N one 60 OF his as h tbou
this was immoral.
'oh You decline to commit yourself to the term
immoral" said Mr.. Reed. triumphantly; "thats
right"
CONSULTING UNCLE
Q. You did not show that despatch to your uncle
Q. That was on account OF those wicked words.
You felt that you could go and buy State or two
without consulting hms A. felt that could go or
O. You consulted your uncle about innocent mat
o. You consulted him about everything except
what the world calls immoral? A. 1t was very sell
dom that Governor Tlden saw these cipher tcegrams
at all their transactions but often the contents OF
dispatches were communicated to him.
q. He never happened to call for any OF those
wicked ones. There was no answer 20 shm: .-,.
Marblo?' A. He certainly did. and he got informa-
ton on general subjects. but not on any OF these
q. Did yon receive despatch saying, "If Return
ing Board can be procured absolutely will you de-
posit S30,oOO? A. Yes. sir; received despatch OF
that character.
@. Did you show that to your uncle? A. No. sir.
q; Was not this rather important that State M
business of buying States before. hid you? A. No.
sir: have not dono it now. either Hsughtcr.l
Q. That WAS the frst offer yoi' had received OF .
State. was 1t not? A. suppose 1t was
Q. Now. did not such fact as that make nm i'm
preston on your mind? uanghtcr.) A. 1t made an
impression, otherwise would not remember IL
now.
Q. You kept that entirely within yonr own breast
and never Communicated it to any living soul? A..
(aftcr pondering long,. No. sir; didnt consult any
about these things.
Q. Do You remember receiving despatch contain
anifsa sir 10 make Sore' a. 'n'' 0nAf's'e'-Se''
Q. Did you take pains to keep. that from your
Q. What particular pains did you take? A. kept
it out of sight; 1 retained these dispatches for
little while and then destroyed them
coopEns PARTICIPATION.
@. Did you tell Mr. Cooper when you went to Bal
timore that You wanted $4,000? A. made the
statement that might want money.
Q. Did you think he would send it? A. was sat-
isied that he might do it; could not tell; it woull
depend altogether upon circumstances.
.. What thore hts reply to give you that
impression? A. don't remember anything about it.
Q. Well. now. you didn't take 1t for granted
that Edward Cooper was going to furnish you with
$aO,OOo without some words that he going to
satisfy you? A. did not ask him tor an answer;
simply said that might need money.
q. When you informed Mr.. Cooper of the plan,
Mr.. Cooper disapproved of it. said it was bad, and,
besides. could not be done? A: Yes. sir.
.. State what words of Indignation Mr.. Cooper
used when he objected to the plan after he found il
could not be DONE A. don't remember.
Q; After receiving pointed rebnKe from your
have the same charge these matters before.
didn't he? A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did Mr.. Cooper consider it an immoral transac.
ton?
Mr.. stenger-You want the witness to get into Mr.
Coopers breast and find out what he thought
about it,
Mr. Reed-Wel rather think it would scatter Mr.
Cooper. if he did that. p.aughtcr)
because it was immoral unfeasible
one? A. should say on account of both branches
of it: he didn't think it ought to be done; don't
rccollect that he put i'll any stronger language.
q. You knew that your uncle objected to it or
moral grounds. and that Mr.. Cooper objected to II
on moral grounds? A. Yes sir
O. Where, then, did you expect to obtain the money
for the Florida business? a. expected when the
matters culminae to call the National Commtteeto
gether or many of the members could summon
and lay the matter before them: did not intend to
tel Governor Tden about it, but to take the respon
sibility of procuring the money myself; there was
necessity, however. for my calling the COMMITTEES
together. despatch came from Florida stating
that II too late cannot tell what time elapsed
between the sending of my Florida proposition and
the arrival OF the telegram stating that it was toe
late; did not deposit the 'dollars as directed by
despatch sent December on account OF my receiving
the one saying ii was too late.
O. .'Russia' stood for Mr.. Tilden in the cipher
telegrams, did it not? A. after some hesitation
Yes; guess that was 80.
o. One OF these teegrams asks you to tell Russia
to saddle "Blackstone;' the man who sent thi
thought verythng was all rieh.. suppose? Laugh
| teri A. 1 cannot tell what he thought.
q. Did you tell Mr.. Tilden to saddle "BlackstoneT
| A. I don't know.
| o. Then Won don't know whether he saddled hin
| or not? A. No. sir do not don't know what tn
words meant; don't think 1t has been discovered ye
what they meant.
meaningof the despatch? A. did not.
.. Was IL on account Of "Bolivia Laura" that 20,
did not show 1t to him? A. never knew nythfnl
about "Boliva Laura"
q. Was anything around the promises namet
Blackstone that could be saddled? A. Yes. SIR
Governor Tden had horse of that name.
Q. And did the despatch mcsn that Mr.. Tildcn was
to take exercise on Blackstone? tGreat laughter.
A. 1t might have been; do not know; while these
things going on did not give those people il
Florida to understand that had some one to bacl
talking about such large sums as s65 900 and
cannot say what they thought; they appeared q
have confidence in my ability carry out anything
might promise; don't pretend to account for thel
thinking that was acting my own responsibility
don't know that gave Mr.. Weed to understand tha
/ was going to Baltimore with money in "thre,
packs, suggested in his despatch; teegraphet
to him that going to Baltimore, but did not sa,
that would bring the money with me-
o. You say that you did not call the National Com
mttee together in regard to raising the Floridi
money? A. Yes. sir.
q. You only called Mr.. Cooper together H.augh
teri Did you go to Mr. Cooper's place OF business
10 find him A. No, sir; IL a Sunday. ant
Mr. Cooper does not attend his place Of business Oh
Sunday.
RuYrSa "wHoLrsALE" AND RETAIL"
@. And did you consult Mr.. Cooper about thii
transaction Sunday? Naughter.) A. did; die
not carry out my intention of calling the COMMITTED
together about the fS0000 the matter fell through
OH the next day; did not get letter from Mr.. Wcct
about buying colored eloctor i'll South Carolina
don't know that 1 make any distinction bctweet
buying returning board wholesale and buying onl,
one clcctor at retail aughtcr); do not think that
tried to conceal anything from Governor Morton
when was before the Senate Committee on Priv
ilcyes and Elections. in January. 1877
q. When you were asked before that cornmitte'
whether you had any knowledge OF despatch from
man in South Carolina asking you IL he was NJ lib
crty to pay $4,000 for electoral vote what wal
your answer? A. I think said that had no rccol
lection of the circumstance.
q. Doesn't that question accurately describe the
proposition of Mr.. Weed made to you? A. ,Hceitat
ingly) don't think IL does; the proposition of Mr.
Wcci related 10 an entirely different hlSttcr; when
aaid didn rccollcct not Intentionally dodgine
the question OF Governor Morton.
Q. Then you knew that the Governor wanted to
And out whether you had been trying to buy rc
turning board and you made distinction between
buying clcctor and buying q returning board
lLaughtcrJ A. 1 don't know that did.
Mr.. Reed rclented, and gavo the witness TO hi'
republican colleague. Mr. Hscock
ooIDxxL PKlrox's RELATIONS 10 GOVERNOR rryDr-N
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