The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1879-02-07
ing $4,000 or 100000 and I want to know if no

WINN ~ tbU'fIOh lllS lnN0NiiEhlOn. ISN'T may
as well say at once that had not sufficient
money ~ carry out either OF those transactions.
.. tBy Mr. ltordl-And 1t was well known to
your correspondents. was II not. that you wero
not in a condition 10 carry II out yourself? A.
don't know.
Tho witness was sharply questioned M to tho
details OF bis private arrangements with Mr.
smith VI; Weed. md WIN, passed boiwocn them
lima. hut he remembered hardly any dctailsl
O..-Who got up the cipher Al got ii up;
my impression is with Mr. Weed
have hccn got NJ just Before he wont that day.
Cant YOU give particulars % getting it up.
Vcrsntion7 Al don't Know more.
O. Any body b'sidrs yourself and Mr.. Weed
q Is your mind an entire blank 2A,-we had
two or three rooms ut the Everett House.
might have been alone with Weed.
y Do you rccOllcct that YOU and Weed got II
uup Al du not recollcc when.
q. You do not recooct whether you did L
yourself or with the assistance OF WcodP Al
q But you invented it at tho time when he
p.-But II In nothing moro than an impros-
sion A.-That is what know.
GLOW long bpfure-within what lmits7 A.
My impression is that We did it that day.
UT certainly was not EOt up before cleo
tion2 Probably not.
Weed, tcsiiiirs that he used II bcforo election. II
ne Fl, G9,s say T. hG ~ nstaksn Ihsre was
whether W. used this other cipher before coe-
tl.-But ~ YOU nhd not Invented II before cleo
ton Il could not b. used. of cOursc2 Al do
not know whether II wis on not.
Q.-lou nro certain about that2 Don't let us
! haNe misunderstanding ne simply because YOU
clush with Weed. Al was Just on tho point OF
SAYING that we had ciphers before election that
Q.-I 4 us connne ourselves to this particular
cipher A. do not Know whether we used II
or n"i; Ny imrrrsslnn ~ W an.
o.-(0u put " stronger than that before A.
! IL Is only NV impression.
q. You want To correct your testimony new
| that have nude the suggestion that Mr. Weeds
| testimony clashes with yours. You want TO
change your tcstimony2 A.-Whai | meant to
| say was an impression In the first place. con-
slider that is what did say; that it was an. i'm.
preston that u was made on that day. | nm
| SIN under that Impression. cannot remember
! Q.-This was rather an important transaction
| Ayes; we had good many things to do about
Q.-Had you ever had experience in manufnc-
turing ciphers before the time when, YOU alone;
| or with the assistance of Mr.. Weed. invented
this cipher2 A.-There have been other ciphers
| made.
| know what ANYBODY else had.
Q.-Wherc did you get this idea az transposi-
| ton2 Al cannot tell you where that came up.
| don't know whose idea II was.
Q.-So far as you are concerned its origin is
lost TO the world2 Al don't know who sug-
Q.-wno suggested the substitution Of an ar
| htrary cipher within that Who suggested the
| idea OF putting important words IN tue cipher
that.
Q.-Dont you remember conversations be.
tween you and Weed. particularly upon that
suggcstionY Al don't know.
Q-You don't know who is entitled TO tho pri
ority OF the inventions Al don't know on'
Q-Wcrc you then in your room in Libert,
street aud got Il up yourseltf Al can tel
YOU what origin OF these ciphcrs was-all Their,
was about IL. Conversations were had. anC
they were got M. don't know with whom.
AS To PARTICULAR WORDS
| ODD you have any understanding abou
800 best United States documents p A.-No
Q.-About what should mean thousands? A
is there 1t WINS an important word 10 use il
ttking about mslorities.
Odd you have any arrangement rs to co
penhagcn-whrt that should meanf A.-Tha
If her. among the cipher words.
Q.-lou intended Copenhagen to mean dol
lars ,A:-At this late day ! cannot ten.
| O.-But you had n word for dollnrs7 A.
Words for all the numerals.
Q.-Do you recolleet whether the cipher. n
YOU handed 1t 90 Weed before he started. was II
writing or noif In your handwriting or not
OIL it was not in your handwriting whoe
could II have been in? Al don't know.
0.-Could it have been in anybody's bu
yours7 All may have been in the hand
Q-What clerk : A.-Mr. King knew it.
Q.-Who clse' Al don't know who nigh
Q-IIaye you any recollection Of Mr.. King
handing YOU n copy Of III Al have no roco
r Q~Bnt You Trr'llcct the delivery Al
, must have been delivered or he would no, hay
= Q.-You mus, have delivered it or he woul
l not have gone on to South CarolinaY Alt
ny impression that II was given 10 him th'
Q.-To what other persons did YOU give copi,
, otihis cipher Al don't know that l gave
, ODE Mr. Marble nave it' Any rocolle
ton ~ that Marble snw u.
O.-Iou can't Translate tho cipher except wit
= | ktkf You inventor KNOW tuAt. A.
u don't know how YOU eau tell. n-n.
h O-Do YOU mean Ia tell us that you have "a
studied that pamphlet: that YOU have NOT e.
nmiu"d whether these TRANSACTIONS ~ chura
TER 500 important To you are -.'srect or not A.
r. cannot tell whether ticy arc correct or not.
70 know t.at great many OF them are not corre'
Il Q.-Eayc you not examined them with refe
a once a. the keys To s"e whether the keys are cl
trrIy truce Al don't know a." Keys. hA'
~ not examined with reirrcnro 10 the k"ys.
d mean 90 LAY they are not correctly translated
d Q.~You must have found that the key was 4
aniuc 81 the South Carolina and Florida d
d spatches? Al didn't say II wasn't so.
a O.-Is It not the samcY Al am going
= look NJ them took NJ over pamphlrtL W
y trying to ilud "a case somewhere which Won
i show W here the same words occurred IN DO
Sc Mr. R"ei-The Same word That II. II
enough II there is Transportation. A.-Thc
were substituted words. Some trans position
and substitute words. know OF some so
cr q We're you not addressed by the sar
~ name tpenmNrk) In both Al don't rcmrI
~ Der whether | WAS on not, ! don r"inemh
tc Marble called me that. WIS addressed Dy III
O.--Hrre If 70 transaction in which you We
10 drcdtlIY concerned being the only rc~ponsh
e. party engaged in tAc negotiation that you We
10 Hsiug without 00nsu tation Win anybody, u
Pr. here H. a publication o: four months puhlici
d. you moan To say that YOU hays NOT careful
eXanin0 . this thing 10 SEQ what cAtent OF ~
M ] of wAut You were guilty. Al do not und'
4 ? stand Tho an ston.
Question repeated. A.-Oh. yes have
ed auiurd them.
N: o. want Ia know whether these ciphers
moi M. Same in the Florida and South Carroll
desputrhcs2 Al ray think not; and ui
mr. different words are used.
.-s O-Givn us nm instances You have ma
iul this n study. AIT tuis LAY ! cannot rene
'" Der what words We're used. ~ ,
OIL am not King you at this daY. rms !
he been going ON four months. You have been
ow nfnining. Give rs an instance where ]
an Florida and South Carolina ciphers are an
, ent. You ast1n,rh me-, Tor supposed H. v
admitted tlat they were tho sancf Al
css / only giving you nay Opln on.
.uc Mr.. Springer ~ this point rcicrrcd 70 81
whore hs understood thn same word was "
In, in different meaning. SIR Rood remarked 1
NV" he did not make inquiry Of Mr. springer
l. which Mr.. Springer replied he thought
Reed wanted 20 get AT the truth. 49,, .
lies Col. Potion, after examination, snld tnht
,,n couldn't yell where the DIM reuces were. but