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meant: n you reject tho evidence will read
1t anyhow"
Never said IT," said Dr. Van Dyke
=, Doesn't the language mean that?" asked
Mr. Millard.
Never said II " sail Dr Nnn Dvkn


You don't and YOU had better 20 back TO
your primer" snid Dr. Van Dyke. jumping up
aud walking along his scat to the place whore
l,r Cuycr stood Then DIR. Van Dyke eyed
Mr., Milmrd DIR. Van Dyke said he understood
y all; The nnper was not prepared for the
Proshytery 1t was all for popular eflect, and it
WIS an humiliation ~ tn" preshytery and OF the
views. although they had been placed in his
hands So that he could properly characterize
them. except In the event OF DR.. Talmage's con-
ilrming their truth, or refusing to commit him
self in reference to them.
And you would read them. then. II the Pres
bytery ruled them out p asked Mr.. Millard.
Certainly" said Dr. Van DYKE. - II the Pres
would read IT,. II II should rulc ont Starkcy
on Evidence which is Il very different book
it, Tho Preshytery cannot dictate to me my
reading. | would read those interviews to as
certain from them circumstances"
DR.. Drake. a venerable minister. whose voice
trcmpled rs he spoke asked II they we're to lis
ten TO threuts and then TO sustain them.
DIR. Van Dyke said that be had made no
threats. Dir, Drake replied that he certainly So
j" What shall we do with the paper?" the Mod
orator had asked in vain. DIR. Van Dyke would
not consent TO have 1t tabled. DIR. Butler moved
that it be returned to the counsel Tor DR.. Tai
mage. and DR.. Crosby said, in amending rs
/ improper and out Of ulacc." DIR. Wells hoped
| the explanation would 20 with i that the Pres
| terry. having heard DR.. Van Dykes nterpre.
! tntion OF the words as the stenographer had
! them, had accepted that ~ correct.
/ llf. spear SAID tnht Ut. INllnhEt WIS lffNlEnet
under an Indictment which stals him 10 his
very inmost heart and g. the centre Of his exist
ence. The complaint comes from him ns plea
/ for Justice. Now. would the Presbytery. be-
/ fore high Heaven before God and man. turn
upon him with that cold. merciless. censorious
I answer
Dr. Van Dyke-If believed that that paper
came simply from the heart Of DR.. Talmag" |
/ would be willing to hear II. ! know It simply
came from the head OF his counsel. know that
/ II is intended to be aponted and poisoned lance.
| aimed Mt the centre OF my heart and existence
Already. since this trial was begun. have been
/ ceivlng this action against me and then turn
ing it back Is not enough. My integrity has
Dr. Talmage arose aud said slowly: am
asked II thls paper comes from my heart l
DR.. Van Dyke-Did Dr. Talmage write il?
DR.. Spear-He did not.
DR., McIelland. tho blind pastor. said that he
felt that DIR. Van Dyke had made nm unhappy
aud inconsderate remark about the inter
views, hut nj the time the speaker understood
4 number Of ministers then said that Dr. Van
Dykes remark on Thursday wis understood
W them rs 1t had been understood by DIR.
Al length the Presbytery was called to vote by
yeas and nays on the following:
The Prcseytery having heard the .rnoeraphc report
Tor the deisndSnt md that ihsy are not IN agreement
sa S an a Bs paper De eurnsa s lSs 09S e ne
counsel for the defence as out OF place
The resolution was carried by 25 yeas to o
!
Evans. Leander. St John. Wood. Pearson, and
Laimbeer.
Henry Dickinson. a short. stout man with
short gray hair and white. close-trimmed full
beard was then called Ms a witness. He re-
lected the long formal oath by which the Mod
orator was about 10 swear him. aud affirmed rs
Quakers do. Mr.. Dickinson testified that he is
q minister OF the Orthodox Society Of Friends.
Company in 1874. and again in 1876. Persons
came 10 him in references to the sale Of the pa
per- One DIR. Gray OF Chicago came 10 see him.
as the witness understood. from DR.. Talmage.
put NJ Dickinson did not know tnIs MS o. hls Own
contract with Dr. Talmage:
This memorandum Of agreement made this day 2sh
q Nay. ls76. between pI 7 D Islmsge ana Henry
VIZ INA, ~ a'gTs to hS snd t. g.. ms G ysA5 & Sr u 70
Tsmase shall furnish lis sermons weekly tie above
paper and do such editorial work as shall be agreeable
This .srsement % be ksp. strictly private 70 theg,e.
ats. ana snis M '1 m the Iar 6e esmin te
pervison as heretofore. T DE ". TAlsAGs
Tho witness continued: DIR. Taimages sal
AIRY had been 81 900 year, and AZ that interview
the question Of the reduction ot the salary was
| discussed There was talk then Of a change IA
the paper. and as business manager was de.
slrous OF Keeping DR. Talmage at the head OF
the paper. Both thought there would be some
change in the paper Talmage did not notify "a
me that he was going TO leave the paper IN the
fall. My understanding Of the agreement was
the paper until the contract was terminnted 10y
the thirty DAYS notice provided for. When ",
|
called on Dr. Talmage IN reference to i. and
DR.. Talmage said that be had no suggestion e.
ssp %Se or WIEN Dr. Tamage I pu6sSed n
his valedictory that he was editor OF tho Adrdncc
be was. in fact tho editor OF the CTiSiian a
Work. The yaledictory was wrtton on Oct. .
He saw Dr. Talmage about month before that
WAS written and DR.. Talmage said that he had
no change TO suggest in the circular which an
nounced him as the editor for the coming year
-" knew OF the proposed sale Of the paper to
Mr. Hallock Ibid not keep that a secret from
| DIR TalmaQp He in the office md
posed that he knew II. There was nothing sur
reptitious about the sale, The sale Of the pa,
, the trustees on Oct 49, DR.. Talmage could no
have failed to have known OF the sale. unless b,
trustees. He was irregular in his attendance
} at the meetings ot the, trustees ~ M
, became the publisher Of the paper in th'
fall Of 1875. and remained such until some time
. in 1876. The Indebtedness Increased very
largely under his management Al about II
o'clock on the morning of oct. 10 learned o
the valedictory. Mr., Hawey came into th'
eGaPy Ssd worn RemngoD RoRF@ was sent o
we decided that the act was likely 70 cause grea
! cordngly suppressed. 1t was running the on
1 company to the building up OF another. Ina
! Q-What was your judgment Of his conduct
r | The witness did not answer. The Indebtedness
/, of the company on Jan; l5 lsll was ;5l 2g3
on Jan 10. 1875, i was 500 400; on Jan 10. 1876
the debt was t7945O boing an increase o
5 sls990 during the year
q that he was At present investing money II
D ! Western mortgages
/ Mr.. MllArd-Are you as particular abOu
your rate Of interest AS you are about YOU
: statements here
Mr.. Dicknson-I get all can legally
Mr. Dickin ton said he read Dr. Talmagei
4 yaledictory 10 be an invitation to the subscri
1 ! bprs OF tho Christian al Work TO follow him 4
e / the Adrance. II was calculated to do n great in
4 jury to the former paper. but he could not Tel
what injury II did Mr.. IIallock. MIR. Hawel
I ! learned from the pressmen that the advertise
4 ment had been inserted along with the valedi,
tory 10y DR.. Talmage's orders. The witness add
3 ed: " / am satisfied that Dr. THlmage knew
I about that advertisement. The advertise
= msnt might have been kept on q par
alle line with the yaedictory and
!. IL possible that he did not know OF IT, bu
Y there was a general connection between them
e Nj Tnlmage paid for the work Of changinI
l. the forms 10y his own check. There was a Mr.
4 Conkling connected with the advertising de
Z partment at that time who might have had AZ
I agency in getting In that advertisement. HI
o left the paper when Dr. Talmage did and wen
10 the AdrdHce. ! think that II n clerk Of our
acted rs DR.. Talmage did | should say tina
v no was not faithful. We didn't intend 4
! do DR.. TalmRge any injury. Tho pape
! sold to the party who WAS introduced by
I DIR. Tamage, and MIR HallOck told me that DR.
Talmage knew that he (Mr, Hallockl was Will
n | ing 10 retain him as the editor. There wa
: never any disposition 10 keep DR.. Tamag
fran putfiup n "A VnledictprV ii case lp la a.