The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1879-08-16

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| THE CHINESE QUESTION CALIFORNIA
| The Yiceroy spoke of tho stories which came to
China of the expressions of the Chinese by evil dis
posed persons in California. and said that China was
compelled to trust entirely to the justice of other
nations in the treatment of her people.
General Grant said that he had no doubt that the
stories of treatment were exaggerated that neither
in California any settled section of the Union
wond violence be allowed rule to any class The
fact that Cinnamon como to America in a constantly
increasing stream showed that they not deferred
by violence. The that did were sporadic.
and depored and punished.
The viceroy said that in China the safety and pro-
lection Of all people was matter OF imperial con-
Germ that foreign nations held the imperial govern
ment responsible.
General Grant answered by explaining the relations
of the States to the general government showing the
existence of three powers in the Statelegslative.
Judicial and executive-and that while the Executive
part of the government he was not altogether
GENERAL GRANT EXPLAINS THE CHINESE QUESTION.
The viceroy said that he was familiar with the gen.
eral features of the government, but it difficult
for foreigners to divest themselves of the idea that
the protection of the people and the prevention of
unjust laws the mission OF the Chief of the State
General Grant answered that the Executive of the
United States matter what party succeeded would
look at the Chinese question from the highest point
of view. and not the Governor Of State like Cali
fornia. "There will be no Executive. said the Gen
eral. "who will not do all he to protect the peo-
pie. Chinese Europeans. The opposition to the
Chinese at home comes from various causes There
is class of thriftless. discontinued adventurous.
agitators and communists, who do not work them
selves and go about wing discomfort among honest
workingmen. This class is always ready for trouble,
and of course there is trouble the crimi-
nal class asserts itself. This class always has
grievance over which to fight and disturb society.
Sometimes it is q religious outbreak like what was
seen thirty years ago or thereabout when there was
an uprising against Catholics, or more re-
Gently III New York, when there was a fatal
street fight arising out of the attack of Professionals
by Catholics. During the war the grievance was
the negro, and there outbreak in New York
that required us to withdraw troops from the field
III presence OF the enemy to put it down. Two
years ago it upon railways, in which mill
ions were destroyed. Your Excellency under
stand that in all large pations the turbulent class
can give trouble. What they want is trouble. The
pretext is nothing. Then we have demagogues in
poltics-men who know better. but who always
seek advancement by pandering to this class. at
tribute the worst features Of the Chinese agitation
the threats of violence the outbreaks in sections Of
Caifornia--to this class. the agitators and COM
munsts men who believe that nothing is right
that is orderly and legal. and the criminal classes.
Your Excellency may rest assured that the great
mass OF the American people will never consent to
any injustice toward China any class
CHINA PREPARED TO RIGHT.
The viceroy said that his government lost
its confidence In the justice of the United States.
II there grievances real grievance-in Amer
lea on account of the emigration of Cinnamon to
that country. his government was prepared to do
what it could to remove it.
General Grant answered that the Chinese question
at home was not free from endorsements serious
endorsements. al am ready to admit" he said
that the Chinese have been Of great service to
country. do not know what the Pacific coast
would be without them. They came to aid at
the time when their aid was invaluable In the COM
petition between their labor and of course IL
cannot hold confess our weakness
and 90 to the wall. II the Chnaman surpasses
in industry thrift and ingenuity no law can arrest
the consequences of that superiority. have never
been alarmed about that. however. The trouble
about your countrymen coming to America is that
they come under circumstances which make them
slaves. They do not come Of their free will.
They do not come to stay bringing their wives and
children. Their labor is not their own. but the
property of capitalists. On that point best peo
!,
carefully the elements that go toward building
up the nation. It's future depends on that. We had
slavery some years since, and we only freed our
selves from slavery the cost of dreadful war. In
which hundreds of thousands of lives lost and
thousands of millions of dollars spent. Having
made those sacrifices to suppress slavery in one
FORM we do not feel like encouraging it in another.
in the insidious form of cooley emigration. That
is wrong to your government and our own, and to
the people especially
The viceroy said that it was o mistake to suppose
that the emigration of the Chinese to America
any other part of the world was the desire of the
government II the government had its way it
would keep all the Cinnamon at home.
General Grant said that this was natural.
The vceroy continued that he willing to con-
slider any proposition to relieve the Americans from
the burden of Chinese emigration.
General Grant answered that no doubt the Ameri-
can Minister, Mr.. Seward. cana back instructed on
the subject. He did not know, however. Mr. Seward
was the proper person to consider the question. He
not in China in diplomatic capacity. and did
not know the feelings of the administration, and he
would not like to say do anything to interfere
with the Minister or the administration.
GENERAL GRANT PROPOSES SOLUTION
Tho viceroy said he quite understood that. He
himself conversing unofficially. II know" he
continued. "that a hint suggestion from you
would have weight in China, and my object is to
have your advice to the best way to satisfy the
American people
General Grant said. 'You can put a stop to the
slavery system.
The vceroy answered that the government would
do IL possible. But many things hard to do,
like, for instance, the suppression of the opium
traffic. which was the desire OF every statesman in
China.
General GnAST-If you can stop the slavery feature
then emigration from China is like emigration from
other countries. Then, as there is n complaint on
the Pacific coast OF Cinnamon coming too rapidly,
coming so as to gut the labor market. emigration
might be stopped for period-for three or Ave
xears infer from what Won gay that. with the in