, 1879-02-01

law, that ll,rrc wa about $1,000, ID round
plumbers. :hat he bad received that he had not
add you ascestaln whether that $1,000 waa
In which he made fhese reports, or whether 1t
WAS received from any source In I'LL cascs, no
matter when commcnced1'
~ rem memoer that the time the statntc ltmfta
going back, limited that tina la my estmnte,
and ! mado ont, rs ! supposed, about $4,000
tl,at hc BAD received that wss not reported
The Chairman-D1d you tnd that sfr. Htbbard
port lees that he had received in a case which
bad been brought during that reati
WItncsa-t thought 10. ..:......
aiF. Lapham-tn what return Of the Regtsser
did YOU had this man guilty OF pcrturya
"ln he sworn returns 10 Washington"
swell, he has to make them each rear"
(WHICH I'D Jon ind that he had committed
"we'I, ~ TO the particular ,ear. am po. Ger
"aas" "' yoo ~, st9eF'1|ztd :, upon ths subse1'"
What -. tl,e fa'ssbooa IN any report, as
MY understanding was, that be bad srorn
to ss.tGn,rnt that d!d not embraces ~hat II
'..rhat 1t. t did not embrace all tho money be
bad reeefveda"
"1hat is 1t exactly"
"Yo!l came to that conclusion without refcr~
ence to the question wetlier the moneys were In
cases commenced during the year, Or ID caaes
existing dnrin'g the thrcs yearss"
The wiiucss, IN .u.wer to further question.
By sfr. 1rumhull, said that Nj. Bsugs iaformed
The Granl Jury TINT he waa instructed to With
hold tic Indictment because Mr.. Htbbaru had
nude bis reports ~ accordance Hlth the con-
,s.uSon s Tnen IqaGs H. bosts na 'd 5a put uPSa
Judge for instructions, but the 0taud Jury de-
Glued to 90. Mr.. Baugs did not say he aErcs1
viii, Judge b'otlrcts, but alnply gave JudEe
Diodgctt ~ authority.
"IjId not .Judge Bangs tell yon that It was
doubtful as 10 what the Law did meant"
" Yes. sir; but do not KNOW that be stated
that he had ans particular doubt himself. Is
sI. was aot e1nar ,ar T. w9s an open question: or
"Did uot Judge Bangs tell you that no In
titctment should be found, when the coustrur.
t;oa q n; :, law was doubtful or something to
II don't remember the remark; he may haro
male II. There was 40 one's opinion given thrru
that had ~ much weight rs Judge Trumoul's ~
inc, betanse tse yras tue in!u who explained the
Judge TrumhulI-Aud you did that for your.
self on th2t remarkt
- thought 4 'aa ve1y true,, and 1t had
"You say ] construed It for lin, and hadn't
Htb5ard a right to couatruc It for himseifr'
s'The Judge [Trumbull1 remarked that that
was Ehat was the matter With the country now"
.jndge Tfuubull-1 believe that Is ali.
Mr. Lapham-l desire to know II Under
stand you correctly. The vtew taken by the
jury OF the law was that Mr. flibbard was
bound 10 return all the fees ho had received
were commcnredt
ayes. slf.h
Ie,t !1 "a: .,,t he understanding OF tho ,ary"
rStrt%$ tArA$ {nf~
was that he WIS bound only to return leea IN
new rascssh
"Yus. Sir. That was very late"
AYES, but that Information came 10 you n
1astf'
"Yca. sir." ..-.....
"Was .lrrc any difference in the riavs enter
iatned By tl'c Jury and the Judge exrups upou
that law question:
nnino beea,se supposed we were At tha end OF
"Yon disagreed With tu4t Interpretation o.
ue iaws' :,
III: ..yse iyry;;; i.'r; as b0d,'"
"And decliued to 70 and ask the adsie. Of tho
Courstn
"And It was upon tbat difference Of optnion
thai tue result you have spoken Of waa arrived
"Yes, slr."
dict Of william H. Bradley, when oefore you rs
exasnlaatfon todarl"
"weiI, sir, as / remember, hc was before Us
felt eatistled lint there Nas something Under 1t
VI that be- didn't want tU tell ue."
"You oou't mean to say that you and the
ocr ~, Of the jury were satisfied b" was
~ can't say anything about and other mem
bcrs of the jurr, but made the remark affer-
wards to fellow Juror thus there was some-
Thing mysterious iu thu mutter.n
dtd1'
.It Was his gencrrl Manner"
"We1l. describe II"
"As juror could not see willingness on
bis parl to tell us all We wished to know. felt
there was ho1netltng NC couldn't yet hold Of"
did you nkk Mr. urad!nT. or waa hu asked
BY 1l,s nistrlet-Attofusy, II lltbhard had eou-
law before he tnAdo hss repostsi"
"Yts, sir"
'sWhat was his anxwerf"
lie llilbbasdl hid found decisions Of soma
attorney: shat justified htu In making thosu
sr. Kniekerbocker-"What did Bradley
state 10 you. u anYthing, that hr had said 10
lti!'bardl Did he state i!lts: that Hibbard eanu
to hin With his TclMet, ahat he advised him ,Ilas
Of thn laHt"
"l'hsrs seemed to be : Misunderstanding 10.
twecD lllbhard ani liralisy."
stfucd II, AIA Brudlcy construed It a. tls
Grand Jury construed lttH
"teA: something that war"
IL reply to Mi. Knott. wituesa stssed that ho
believed llat even uuder Judgu ulougets's ru!-
ing !!lb9anl hAd Mato futau return. On sub.
sc4urnt examination BY jldgs Trumbul', how
ever. he became much mixed on this particular
point.
Tue Committee then took I seress.
Wnen Lie Committee 0RRfb met at O'Clock