The New York herald., 1879-12-17
HOW South Carolina Defeated
Tilden in 1875.
TRICKERY AT ABBEvILLE
WHERE WILL 1T END /?
(Br TELEGRAPH TO THE HEnALp.l

ai.. COLUMBIA. s. c.. Dec. 16. 1879.
The interview between General Mart w. Gary aud
HERALD reporter. and the sharp rejoinder of Sem
ator Wade Hampton denouncing Gary's statements
as false. published in the HERALD few days ago,
have occasioned great excitement in Columbia. and
in fact all over South Carolina. For the past
few days the matter has been discussed at
the street corners. in the lobbies of the
State House and the hotels. Both Hampton
and Gary have hosts of friends and supporters
throughout the State and the people are very much
excited over the controversy between them. 'Opin-
ions arc divided as to which of the disputants
has the advantage. To-day had short. informal In
terviews with number of prominent members of
the Legislature which disclosed the fact that
the Gary stock is rising rapidly while the
stock OF Hampton is decidedly on the
wane. distinguished Charlestonian remarked
with considerable warmth -'Gary is much enti
tied to credence as Hampton, and want something
more substantial than the atters denial Of the
grave imputations. The onus of disproving Gary's
charges there and 1t will not do for him to
tort by denouncing them as false" One'ot the lead
ing lawyers of the State. who has always been an
ardent supporter Of Hampton, remarked that the
whole thing is an ugly piece Of business. and few
more such interviews would elect Gary Governor
OPINIONS ADVERSE TO HAMPTON.
Another prominent politician Expressed himself
Hampton's bitter denunciations was to make Gary
tenfold more popular than he asked
leading coored republican of this city what the col
ored people thought of tho controversy. and he
piled that it was ono funeral Of thers far
as he was concerned he would prefer to take
Gary's word to that Of Hampton. So uneasy
have the opponents of Gary become that they are
making efforts to get him Of the Cover
nor. A proposition was actually made to-day to
elect him Chief Justice If he would withdraw from
the race He declined the proposition in unique
STYLE declaring that he would not take the position.
for he had serious msgvngs to his ability to fill
an Office which required such profound loyal knowl
edge The people are on the qai ptce to SEQ aary's
rcply to Hampton's charges.
GENERAL GARY REPEATS CHARGES.
This afternoon. with view Of ascertaining what
the gallant General going to do about it, called
| upon him at his hotol. and with some diHiculty
induced him to reply to my interrogatories. fol-
| lows:-
| CoRRxspoNpRNT-General 1 suppose you have seen
| the interview with Senator Hampton published in
| the NEW York HERALD. in which he asserts that
your statement relative to the nAdelity of some Of
the leaders OF South Carolina to Tden in 1876 and
in regard to the proposition made by Governor
democratic party for President and Vice President
the meeting at Abbevnle In 1876 also concern
Toombs. Mcdowan. Cothrsn and others were pres.
| eut. Ia utterly and absolutely false?
CoRnEsroNDENr-Have you anything to say in
reply9
me to say in that interview concerning Mr.. Tiiden
assert simply what every one knows, and what has
long since been published ali over the United
viz that Tden was sacrificed for the benefit OF the
South, and the illusions to Senator Hampton were
to show that the disposition to withdraw tho
and Vice President existed in South Carolina early
in 1876. and eliminated in the electoral fraud by and
tionaliy declared elected. the republican party Sc
cured the continuance of their party in power and
| doctrine OF local sef-government. Whether It was
| . wise trade or not 10 grave question which
deemed now. and we are all discussing the
| question a. to who shall be President, and
reply, in which have stated that Tden was sacri.
feed by OF the leaders and not by the people
Of the SOUTH and that il he received the democrstic
nomination the masses OF tho south would again
| give him a hearty and cordial support.
I HAMPTON DID ASK HIM TO .'wrrnDnAw."
| oRREspoKDENr-what about the question Of ve-
rscity between Hampton and yourself2
| General GABY--It is evident that Senator Hamp-
ton is angry with me for aiuding to what has been
nm open secret for three years. and las no
states himsef. has been discussed in the papers Of
Georgia and this State. Tho distinguished Senator
is again mistaken to my being the author OF tho
article alluded to by him. 1t ts bitter prejudice
will continue to induce him to believe that at am am
the author insprer OF every article that dares
crticso his public ,s acts as like the he. rest q U.S.
from the people, whose servants we are livery one
in south Carolina knows that he hates and has
| long hated the Devil DOGS 'holy water" Ho
/ seems to nurse his wrath to keep it warm. and
casionaIiy let's It of he did dreenve last year.
gagged" by the State Executive Committee. do
cline exchange epithets with HIM. but willing
to stand by the record. Now. to come down 10 the
| THE REPLY TO HAMPTON.
speakers stand after 1 bad finished my speech at
the Abbevillo mass meeting in 1875. ss have
stated in my former interview with the proposition
to Withdraw the democratic electors, and to- this
First that as South Caroline had sent delegates to
and fairly participated in the National Convention
which nominated Tildcn the withdrawal OF tho
electors would be piece Of bad faith.
Second said IL could not be done without CALI
| ing another convention.
TO this Senator Hampton responded that 1t might
be done through the state Executive COMMITTEES.
without acquescing answered Hampton that II
he and the rest were resolved to do 1t l wouldn't
make war uPoh the conclusion. II thus APP
regarded 1t act OF bad faith TO The national
democratic party. and here repeat that have al
ways regarded IL in the light OF treacherous dis
affection to Tilden before his election. In stating
that II he tIIampton) "and tho rest were resolved
! meant that would obey orders from the head
quarters Of the democratic party. M judgment
to the campaign. as IL would to have made an at
tempt to change front, not only in tho presence of
the enemy. but in the midst OF the tight. 1t will be
seen that the reported interview does not raise an
issue OF veracty upon the proposition that havo
tina. consulted with General Gary sa5s Sn
this matter any other during.that or be-
fore Il or since has entirely escaped my recollection
memory trcacherous IL may, the above state
ment of what occurred between us at a meet
ing Abbcville in 1876. IL the truth and nothing but
the truth.
IRE .'Hor TIME AT Mrs. NonwooDs.
30 far as the next point upon which differ is
concerned as stand In my interview-vz., 'Tvo
| since heard that meeting held at night which
| did not attend, but At which Hampton. Toombs.
General NJ, Gowan and Colonel Cothran present;
there was hot times McGowan Wouldn't ngrce
how aud the project fell through"--I have only
10 say that 1 did not state IL upon my, own
knowledge, but from statement mado TO me
by OF those who present. believe
it is true because by responsible parties
anu corroborated by General McGowan since the APP
pearaDce OF Senator Hampton's Interview in the INV
fonK HERALD In reply 10 mine published in the
same paper. In an interview with General MCGOWAN
he has stated TO me- In the presence of two gentle