, 1879-03-04

Q.-'whete dtd he sas ~ sou!''
49," In The mant'Jnfy ronno. slf+"
Q.-"Whal tohk place thceot"'
A.-' 1Ic waa asked. l do not remember ~ MhAt
juror II he woula mnkc that statement In writing.
Il created good doal Of excitement In tho jury.
rpo9u."t - >.
Q.~'whst made It create c1eitemcntt"
A,--'Welt sappose any EAR would know
what created tho excltcmunt" (Laughter.l
Dr. IIsmtl.n says: =
Q.-"whst took p1aes thenf'
A." swell, thoto maY have bden sercrat things
occurrcds butt ont Thing occupied The en1irc al
senttoa Of tho Grand Jury 10 tho exclusion Of
everything clpo.",
Q.-'What WIS that onn th3nR>''
A-t'Judgo Bangp cayno In and Informed Us
thai either BY Tho Instructions under The drec-
t,on Of Judge nlndgctt, who Ind advised with
Judge nrnmuond, no shodld mol present tho In
dtctu,ent against tho Hcgtseer ID bankruptcy for
perjury ...
o. you through With JouF Ansncr"
A.-tNo. II you want statemcnt Of all that
occurred. will give 1t As near an can remember
/ Will saJ TO tho Committee there was good deal
II excitement on this OCCASION
q.-"Go on, and doacribo Just what took place,
and what Ths haidr,
A.-"11e stated that, II 1famnmber correctly the
Judge had remained at hts room ond would rcn>aln
uutl our Adjournment, In order when wo adjourned
to discharge u; that tho Jndgo, think, would bo
pleased to Ecc us, and charge M ~ 70 tho law in
thia cass; whether there WAS formal votc taken.
II think thcrs was, to not appear .betorc Judge
plodRest."
Mr.. Morrow says.
Q.-"What transpIred thcnff'
-"Wfen we met At : o'clock ne were In.
formed b7 Jndre Bangs TINT he was Instructed to
Withhold from Us tho Indictment against Mr. Htb.
bard on the question Of perjury for the thht
it vas made under Judge nlodRetts construction
ot tho law"
nyMr. Lspham:
Q.--'tYou say It waa made, ,-you moan tho 70.
port!"
A.--"rhat tho report was madc' Yes. sir, by
Mr. KnickerbockcF.''
Q.-'What transptscd thenr'
I A.-"The Dlstrlct. Attorney wns asked to pitt
his objections to return tho indictment nnt sursor-
dor,nR the Indictment to us IN writing. which hs
royused to do.''
Q.--"Do you know whether or not Afr Bangs had
The Indictment with him. and, II 50, how do you
know III"
A.-'' lie informed rs That he
HABIT DRAWN.
! don't think he had tho Indictment With him In
tho tnsy-room.''
Q.--"Thht was the Indictment for por1ury!"
A." Yes. atr; tho Indictment for perjury"
Q.--''Did he Inform tho jury at that tine,
o'clock Ia tho GsonlnQ. when le came hefore them.
or at any &fnao boforo thcy wero discharged, how
To- ~ ,sthhodlnr ~. ins,ct"nt A. ,ns s'e
nloagctt camo 10 apcak with hlm:''
ALL d0h't think he did,"
O." After he Ravo you that information, and
told ron wbat ho lid, what naxt ttansp.rcdt"
49, The Dssfset Attorney was requested to
leave the jury which ho did, and tho Jury
consulted over tho mattrr md thurs was cotstdur-
able skirnishlng among then, over Tho matter:
aome considerable fsc!ng on tho subject, hut ull
finally abandoned tho Idea of taking that ind,ct-
ment into court"
Q.--"You say considerable feeling cx,.,ed,
What was tho feeling abouts'..
A,--'sThe feeling tyaa In relation IN tbts trd,r,
mont Tor uottury.
Q.-nWbat about itr'
A.-uA frcl!np that thc ,nd,ct,nsn+ .hor,d ;,,t
b. Withhold from them, Thare. ,ysa somr ,,t,c
aispoaton to continue tho session and inyeutieato
the matter. 10. know wtyethsr n M, ,ve couta rot
compo, it,''
Q,--"Waa thoso any ATTEMPT made to orepare an
3ndictmpntr' ;. -. =. . =. =.
A.-.,Tbcro waa soneth1na ea1a ahout r. nn8
the question waa askcd OF, Attornoy H.ne. aosn..
thing like this: Supuoso ro shou1a ,'rr narn An II
djctr,cnt .trhnt .yon,a 1,a ,ha aTc,,, ~ n.a, -.
informed ps that he wonld have to, nndcr Judge
b!odQetfs !natructtons. fn{aae to HEn Il, henco II
wcald bo OF no conseqaeAce."
ar. Farmer say
Q.-"Thcn what 'ttrnsptred when Judge Dsnxe
came ip With references to this perjury 1hd[ctment'
Alive "cro 'vaftin9 anxIonsly for tho papers
to appear for our nnal closing MP Of tie 1ndlcs.
Inents. We
uAu BEEN wkfrfno A1t nty
yary anr,ont,r. and s cot,o h ann-snttx ,u,,
any panets Ind he eay.., dgan,,omen ~ ~ i...,
4 uus, inform ron that yonr> 1ronoscd rrtinn r.,
finding bl Of Indctment Tor psrinrv cnnnat hn h,
accented, You cannot .uttaIn Il. 1,w III mi IN
accented by TIM Court. md f,c,.foro Il !. us.,o.s
TO preas tbo matter ,for ,xa rarnnt r.rsv" -
auch, Th,t Il tim nffcct NJ Il n srf,.torrn ;,
o.-.What did tho ,1udga dn thsns" t.,
h.-..,J ,J,bov 1.Yb.r troo1,,t ~. ,,.,,.x
uthsss was any WV tbst fsoy sop, n,oss ~ H.
tor along an5 pnt thair hus,ne.a beforn ,hs ca"r,
but tile District Attorney say tfat he ba1 e,ncc,s,
Instructions from, tbo Judno thst thev wonll ~,
bn received and acted upon If thsy woro ureaon,.
cd, and OF COURSE he should retusn tn sim ,,,o,
undur these iastractIops, ",
This testimony NJ tho n,hc, f,,ord 1u,,-. ,sh.
were examined unou hi. notnt vyss srhs, r,,.,ix
tho samo AZ that quoted nboye md fror, tha vt
It L. 1uanIfest that h,oh dcgrcc NJ e-cItoa,t :,
not todianatlon, poryadcd the 0rani Inv rros.
Ing out Of what tho y porhans considered m a,hI,
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