Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1879-06-09

Q. You were promised money for voting
that way? A. No, sir.
Q. What did you say to that, no? A. stated
that a man told me to vote for Kellogg and
would get 5000.
@. Who was the man? A. G. L. Smith, a
member of Congress. u
9. What else did no promise you! A. he
did not tell me anything else.
@. What had he to do with this business OF
Kelloggs election? A. Nothing beyond his
private interests as Republican.
By MIR. Merrick-Question. If you had 81 ,7oO
not dickering. The Nichols legislature were
dickering with me. Then with dignity l
don't understand the word dicker. Webster
hasn't got such word.
@. Well, we don't know SO much about
that as the descendant of Sir Hugh De
A. I always worked for my money and made
it honestly.
@. You call that honest, do you? A. That
was politics. (Laughter(.
@. Then you would have refused that
money because it was too small an amount?
A. / wouldn't take it because didn't want
it. When my party is at stake, don't want
to sell it for money.
@. You agreed to sell it for 5000? A. l
didn't make any agreement. When the vote
was announced, | rose up and changed my
vote from blank to Kellogg.
Q. When Smith left you, was it not with
the understanding you would vote for Kellogg?
didn't.
9. You didn't put that fact in an affidavit?
A. No, sir.
Reading from affdavit-Herbert. Who is
Herbert? l don't know any man by that
name.
Q. LID. Herbert? A. 1 know L. D. Her
bert.
@. That's another man, suppose? Laugh
ter). A. Yes, sir; he lives in New Orleans.
don't know his business. Witness further test
fled: Demas paid me $500 for myself and
colleagues. Demas was Republican. he was
in the Nichols legislature. He was acting for
the Democratic party. I talked with him
about voting for Spofford on the Goth of April.
We had q little caucus. We met at the request
of Demas. I had then gone over to the Mich
oils legislature. We were all members Of the
Nichols legislature. He came in and stated
that arguments had been made fer the caucus,
and why he wanted us to vote for Spofford.
Q. If the Nichols legislature had a govern
ment aud Spofford was nominated by the
Democratic caucus, didn't he have enough
votes. A. Yes; but he wanted to get Republic
| can votes.
@. If one man was certain of getting
enough votes for election l cannot see why he
| wanted to give $3.50 for votes. Did he give
$3.50 apiece for other darkies? A. I don't
| know what he gave to darkies.
@. They were all darkies, wern't they? A.
| There were some colored men.
O.. Did they all get the same, and they we're
at least twenty? A. Fifteen or twenty. They
That was what got, and the arrangement was
made in presence of the rest.
@. suppose it was graded by the price of
Kellogg votes? A. Well, I don't know what
the market price was.
@. Did the Democrats have money placed in
Al-s- ol1<o I,
Nichols legislature? A. TIE Democrats
said
O.. They were paid to go over and after they
| got the money to go back to the Packard legis-
| lature. Is that it,? A. Yes,
9; !, Haven't you said you were going to star stand
| told Cavanac would swear to the statement
| made. He came to me a while before the COM
mittee met to-day, and asked me, and said
was going to stand by the statement.
c. Do YOU mean you were going to swear to
it, and you are now willing to say it was true?
| A. am on oath now.
@. Then you did not feel obliged to tell the
truth because you were not on oath? A. was
just talking with him.
@. Then you are at liberty to tell a lie if you
are not on oath? A. When am not on oath
I can tell any thing please.
Q. Whether it is lie or the truth? A. Yes,
sir; like to tell a social lie once in while;
have got onzcience well as any one else
| @. Is it matter of clear conscience to tell
| a lie when you are talking about business? A.
It isn't matter of clear conscience, but can
| tell man what choose when [ talking
| with him; but when get to swearing it is di f.
| ferent then.
| @. Did you mean you were going to swear
to it? A. told him I would swear by it.
@. Didn't you mean you would swear to it =?
A. That might interpret meaning.
@. Didn't You mean that? A. suppose so
Q. Don't you know SO? A. Yes. daughter.
| @. Now didn't you know as we'll. then as
now whether it was true or false? A. Yes.
@. Is.it true or false? A. That is ques
ton with myself.
@. No, it is question to answer. A. 1t il
false.
swear to falsehood? A. No, sir. I said
would stand by it.
Q. You meant him to understand it so
Didn't Cavanac say he wanted you to say
there was anything untrue in it so he coul
know what you were going to swear? A. Nc
he told me he wanted me to stick and be firm
Witness further testified: Have been in th
custom house since May first resigned las
week; my place is not kept open for me.
resigned because was summoned as a witnes
here; could not hold my place and come her
as witness.
@. Couldn't person keep his place ther
and be witness too? A. I dare say he coule
} two or three other custom house employt
here not as witnesses. We stop at the sam
} house, sit down together, talk together have
social chat some times. Never inquire
whether they have any business here or no
| Think Lewis has business with Secretary She
: man, don't know. Dare say he has. He LEI
. on the same train with me from New Orlean.
t I do say it was dangerous to go out on tt
e street at one time. The sergeant-at arms we,
G out after absent members. He was not hur
: think it was dangerous for Republican men
e bers to go out.
: CHARLES CAvANAC.
Called, testified he lived in New Orlean
! Was interested in gathering testimony f
' DeLacy. Came to him and offered to make af
: davit. Witness told him he only wanted ii
: truth to make this strange announcement b
T cause the negro members of the legislatu
G down there expected money for everythir
: they did, and he wanted it understood at tt
Q start there was no money in it. DeLacy to
: him his story of bribery by Kellogg, and wi
= ness said, That's good story; go and think
t over and come back tomorrow" DeLacy can
next day and renewed his offer. He drew
It memorandum book out of his pocket and fro
d its contents dictated a statement which Fit
n patrick took down. DeLacy went before
magistrate and swore to his signature. Is pc
n Identified the affidavit already in evidence
:. the one dictated and signed by DeLacy.
|, THOMAS MURRAY
# called on behalf of the contestant: Had I
e fused yesterday to state the facts about t
I. affidavit, but was ready to do so now. De La
2 told him at his house he had made the affidav
Took out his pocket-book and read what he p
le on the affidavit. He asked me how mu
u money there was in it. I said there WASH t