New-York tribune., 1879-01-28

EXPERT swORN-BURSING THE TRUNK.
Professor Edward s. Holden of the Naval Oh
servatory, was then sworn TO translate withous
divulgng in any way the cipher kilograms
which were handed tine committee by General
Butler.
Mr.. James o. Green, son OF DR.. Green, OF the
New-York Western Union Telegraph Office, was
then sworn, and tetifcd to having burned the en-
tire contents of the trunk, containing the teegrams
as received from Washington, in the large furnace
in the cellar of the Western Union
building. He was positive of the destruc-
tion of everything the trunk contained.
He knew of some telegraphc correspondence being
collected prior to the issue of the subpgnas, which
had occurred between James NJ. Tyner and John W.
Foster the latter of Indianapolis At the request OF
President Orton the witness sent the kilograms in
question either addressed to Mr.. Orton in care of
Captain Whitney. or to Captain Whitney at Wash
ngon The witness said the messages referred TO po-
tica matters and the impression formed by the wit
was that they referred to the sale of some pot-
cal office He stated however that this possibly
incorrect. as the air at that time was filled with po
litical excitement, and the fact of Judge TyneTs
holding an influential Government Office might
have had the effect of leading him to assume that
such was the fact He had no direct information
that the conclusion arrived at by him was a true
one.
BY the Cheirman-Dld you have any idea what posi-
tion the telegrams referred toi
BY Mr. HiscOckrhey did not refer to the Presidential
Wltncss-In my opinion not by any means.
Mr.. MoMahOn-Oh. no that was sdId later.
Mr. Grant was recalled and sald he thought he
cOud identify any of the kilograms which were sent
to Washington. Mr.. Butler suggested that Mr..
Grant be accompanied by some member of the COM
mittee when he went to examine the kilograms
1 Al 4 NJ II,iI
Representative Evans, of Indiana, examined.
He said lie had received package of kilograms
from Mr. Bullock. Assistant Clerk of the Senate
Committee on Privileges and Elections. and
handed the same TO General Brady, of the Post
Ohice Department. lie denied giving VIM. l..
Chandler the package, and said he did not know
VIM. l.. Chandler personally.
recess was taken until 3 p. N.
GRANT RECALLED.
After the recess. Mr. Grant was recalled. He
testified as follows:
At the order OF Mr. Cary he made another search for
the dispatches between yuer ana Chandler ana burned
some Of them. There were seven or eight altoScther
one was a Telegram from Tyner about making two ap-
pointments in the Interior Department at salaries Of
have the money deposited some Naonaban 50 that
i-, ~ -. IN rnd"nepoiis nv n" Repubhcan,
rersgn t. & BE oTGpSg bT Scevd Snd nRGs %as Ff"Der "a'
fI irn -, .,l1. r.tr. .' d j., lppoint-
,s.-d-.i. ha' rom le subcommittee.
": NcN-. y they discnar ii 80 for promo
cncra. Y, .r-ohl He does not pay money he re-
C-Nca.
Al this point the clerk Of ie committee Jtought
in q cumsy- wrapped newspaper package and
handed it to the chairman, upon whom all eyes
were Immediately turned Blushlngly be rose TO
explain:
Mr. Potte--Gentlemen. ordered from Mrs What's
hcr-name IN the lobby, twelve copies OF The TRIBUNE
special about the cipher dispatches bnt 1t seems there
ha been mistake and she has sent twelve pack
Mr.. Recd-Either is sweet enough FOR this commit
Mr. Hiscock- It very evident she appreciated what
you wanted or needed. fLaushterI
The examination Of Grant was then renewed. and
further details were given by him of kilograms
which passed between Messrs. Chandler and Tyncr.
He also testified with regard to a telegram from
Foster relating TO the same matter
ON THE TRACK OF CHANDLER.
Mr. Green. at this point explained that he had
forgotten one circumstance III connection with
these telegrams. The number was incomplete, and
at the Suggestion of Grant, the manager at Indian
apolis was notified to send on the rest.
The Chairman-You stated that you had forgotten
names until you heard the last witness mention them
You do rot conIound the name OF Zach Chandler with
William T. Chandler, do you lLauShterI
General But er TO GranD-I want to understand
Cbnndrr secretary Of the Interior ppoin somebody
in his department A.-Yes, sir. Two appointments OF
O.TFor those appointments a certain Of money
would be paid and Iyner wished {" have such sum de-
posted in the bank 50 1t could be drawn IL Indiana
Mr.. Reed-Dcposited by whom IN the bank A
Chandler. lie was to deposit the money ana make the
appointment. too probably the same day or the day
after Chandler telegIaphed that he had deposited money
a. Q@When did you first mention this Alright here
A WITNESS OBJECTS TO ANSWERING.
Mr.. Cary beng recalled said he would like TO
make statement that he knew nothing of any con
sentence with regard to these kilograms. and to
make an objection that what he did know was priv
ileged knowledge, that came to him as attorney for
the Western Union Telegraph Company.
Mr. Buter-Answer this question and then make an
o. II has been testified BY Mr.. Grant that he received
scbcdud irons YOU. From whom ala You receive thdt
schedule Al plead my privilege on.hat question
Mr. Butler argued that as he dd not desire Z" ask the
contents OF this paper. Dut Simply put tIe question
for the purpose OF tracing IT, witness was bound
10 answer The chairman c2ncurreu IN tns 0Plhii2h.
The Wtncss-I have not the remotcst recollection
Mr.. Burlcr-Then, why did YOU objeeti A-Because
knew somethInG further about i'-Cehind that
witness claimed hi. privilege, and a discussion fol-
lowed on the point OF privilege between him and Mr.
butler aud the latter read the law ON that pontl
Mr. IIi-cock-It seems to me that Cary's objection IS
entirely proper declining 70 answer this question, as
il i. moi within the scope OF our investigation.
EAr. Butler-Oh, you have me there. DO not hold
MIR Mr. Reed-Mr Chairman, contend that Mr.. Hiseock
has acted very badly IN spoIng our whole days work
I'm this way. II spoils our whole day.
Mr.. HIScock-rhe point l wish make Is that the
particular branch OF nGury which he Is now pursuing
Is outside OF the resolution which We passed the Ohcr
day.
Mr. McMahou-Ths committee, having been ap-
notntrd for the purpose Ot investigating these
specIic matters, aud II having been shown that
the parties having charge OF these dispatches who
have cen suIpouaed-Or rather that the President
of the INSTITUTION through whch these dispatches have
been sent has selected certain class OF cipher dis
nofrhrs-bc elias, which VIII assist his pOht
ca party-have right 10 bring those other dispatches
before this committee.
Mr. Uscock-My idea il that the purpose OF the reso-
lution was TO enable t. clear up iii patches that we