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turned from Baltimore I suppose Won saw him
immedintcly7 Al saw him tho next dry
upon yOu-tnut ia M member OF your family
and to some extent provided with position Tor
support and nnutrnanc" OF himsil by you
In other words. ynu wrre n patron of his ? A
10 somo extent Ho had business VI his own,
but wHa unfortunate in it,
O.-GnJ you had learned from Mr.. Cooper.
aud should have learned from Col. Potion, that
he had been TO B!timorc for the purpnse oi
concentrating a pun for the purchase - the
action OF tho Cgnvnssing Board Of SOUTH Cur,
lima which would insure the election Of tho TIL
DIN electors there. Did II not occur To you.
upon that being cQmmunicaled 10 YOU. that YOU
ought to nnd out how he 1T vol u tho Commit
tro2 A-Your question nastitnrs more than is
true. did not learn that ho had gone there Ia
consummHte. 1 learned he had gone there
simply ia receivo An Offer. .
you state 1t and the way state III Al think
there Is,
conmwncai H" {" Mr. Cooper. that he might
eighty thousand dollars. lie had gonu 10 Bnlti-
more 10 meet Mr., Weed and another gentleman
from South Carolina Whit then. would those
facts infer except thai he hid gone to eonsuln;
lint h" hS1 zone for that purpose
Odd you understand from. Mr.. Cooper The
amount OF money heeXpcctedt Al hld not
] only understood he had gone to receive a
PROPOSE ton. or look into one
Q.-Now understanding that no had been in
discreet enough to 10 to Baltimore even To look
into Proposition for the sale Of tho electoral
ccuiflntn oi state, ala you not tlnk you were
called npOn To NStprtuln MS rchtlOnS 10 tlle Nt-
tional Democratic, COMMITTEES. and how Tar he
was committing that body, nnd how lar no was
committing yoursellp Al thought tho beet
way 20 danl with such n Transaction WINS b. stop
II. Not To do il myself, and 10 stop anybody else
from doing 1t. think the same thing In Flor
ida woull have been better than what WINS done
there. Mr. Hiscock IL not going TO search my
moral understanding. presume.
Q.-Not ut all. am trying To search tho rela-
iwsen your nephew and the National Demo
cratic Committee. A-rho oble% Is 70 impute
to mo some failure Of duty. and propose to
answer that question fully.
OIL have endruvorod to be- fair. and II seems
TO me the true way " answer Is to answer Ms lar
ns you can directly and not by nssniling any
one else Al do not desire to iesail any one.
but when suhmated standard Of morals II
set up for mo | propnsc 10 anayze II and see
whethcr tho party who proposes II lives w to
II himself
MIR. PzIToN FIGHTIN0 FfRE WITH FIRE.
o. will cnll your attention u ono thing
more. You have said thnt II you had onter-
lnined or consented to such an idea m in
nucncng those Boards venally, the last person
that mission would have been Col. PctOn. Now
ask you To bear that answer ia your mind. and
then. II you can. state why you did not deem it
learned OF hIs visit 10 Bnltinoro--to have
called the attention Of Mr.. Cooper. or Of Mr..
hcwitt,d,slinsnished and able ,d men both both
Of this matter and Mr., Pelton must
Oe lett out OF tho correspondence; that they
must give 1t their personal attention. lost you
and the Democratic party should be compro-
missed aud perhaps scandalzod by the actions
pnsed those gcnticman were giylns personal
attention ana they hnd tho real power. and
Pelion hal not Mr.. Cooper particularly had
custody Of the money. without which PcltOn
could not do anything 10 the extent OF a cent.
In tho next place. Mr.. Cooper was the gentle
man from whom | derived my Information
about what was being done, oNclnsively. MI.
Hewitt WIS his brOthrr-in- Inv. and they did not
tho Baltimore trhnsa' ton rs foolish aud wrong.
but An inchOatc transaction. Now. the civil inv
does not recognize purposes ~ ~ they enbndy
themselves in action. Tho Church punishrs
such purposes only ns sinful thoughts. Pei
ton hal not. 50 far as | knew. done
ANYTHING except receive, a proposition from Re-
publican. To s"ll thosa certificates The thing
WIS stopped. II dird a-borning. 1t did not
strike ~" as 80 important rs there had been
blliv ot similar tTausa lions succeeding. And,
without meaning 10 rN,us' him. may say that
the atmosphere WIS fun Of rumors OF the yrual-
ny 81 "" f'iurning Boards IN those threo DIS
pitrd Sntes and Of thnir frauds. declare. be-
tore d9l and my couhtry. that II IL my entire
belle! that the votes nni certificates o. South
Chrolinn, Louisiana and Florida were bought.
and tho Presidency was controlled by their pur-
chase. Potion seeing that condition OF ihings
committed II fault committed an error. com
mu"d wrong IT, udoped tho iiea that II
was justnahe 10 fight nre with fire. lie adopted
the idea that when hs saw tho Prcsi-
d'nry bong taken away from man
ihnt had been elected by the people
in inv and fact. 1t WINS legitimate to defeat that
crima by adoption Of the tactics OF those who
wrr. parpcira'ins IT, Idonoi Justify him. butt
i n
dincrant system. a different code Of ethics. |
srprnrd the elevation to Presidential fnmc by
Position. P"lion did not act No to that STANDARD.
lle has bocn tried and Condemned. and public
opinion may punish him. but at the same time
even That lnult Is 10 log Judge! OF according To
gu" facts mt IA" tim" and ucrOrding TO what was
being done Rnl what WIS done. His net was
an lnchOhtr oiirnnc. on the other side the act
TINT was d0n1 WAS An accomplished and con
consummnt''i wrong. II gave M tho posses-
sion Of the Presidency OF the United States to u
lf sffsI nd .tatfft
lives and champions OF that condition OF things
are tho men whose consriences are troubled
now with the lurhpntc wrong of Col. PeltOn,
which crushed and stupprd.
Mr.. Hisro'k requested tho reading to him Of
81 hov. llld"n's Inst reply having reference 10
the pur hasn Of the VOTES and crrtiilr;les Of the
Returning Boards. as the witnesses uttrrunce
WIS 50 io"ble that he could not ho heard with
any degree pf distnciness i've feet from his
lips Tue reading concluded, Mr., Hiscock re-
sunrd the crp-s-rNamlnutiOn.l
Q.-Now. then. Gov Tlldrn. you will plcase
state upou whnt Information YOU hase That Ice
h9i. ana, IA giving your Information. you Will
cniing II to YOU. Al have no private inior-
NATION on the subject | believe u on evil
drnne alrcady before this Committee. and
Do You mean that thcre il evidence he
fore THIS COMMITTEE that either of those Re-
turning Boards was bpuglty Al think So.
Q.-Ni you do mo the kindness 10 point out
inc witness who testified 10 thatt A...MrL n
testified that ho held the casting vote in Florida
and mat hr gave false ccitlicate-ono contrary
10 fHci md Jaw.
Q.-louhre mistaken. lie has sworn 10 moth
lng of tho kind, Al think | am not miS,akcn.
Mr.. SCR niger think he Is right in his rccO-
lection 81 Inns testimony.
Mr. NlScpck -McLln swure that he was ap-
preached By Marble for the purchase OF the
Board. and when he signed the certificate no
do IL cnn-r lrntlonSly, honestly, and faithfully
believing tho facts of the ease justified him in
max lEg the decision h. dld. He did swear that
Ia the lisht az rui srlurnt events. had thry
come 70 his knowledge then. his action might
have been different. All that hears on that
~ stlon IN his evidence | think | state cor
rr'tlV.
MIR Hunion-ThM win he seen whom we refer
10 the evidence IN tho case. II Will lee t.mo
enough Tor that when We gut back 10 Washing
ton.
Mr.. His"ock-Yes. hut do not care to have "A
Gharg" from 50 high an authority against Me-
I'm 20 lotth u the country without tho rcluta-
uuu gOius with IT,
Mr.. Strugrr-A denial YOU mean.
Mir. His 'ock-No u rcfuintlon.
Coy. Iudrn- II" said. further. TINT his action
WIS influenced 10y promis" OF on 'c. aud that
ms expectation WAS 1t uuTeHsonnhlo WIS dem
onstrt"d 10y his sprndY nomination for a ~
dlrlal un- tiuu ia y " Mexico.
. BY ~. Ill s'o'Nl-ATo You cleAr that No
Lin sworoth he WAS influenced hy the hope ~
h"ing appointed 10 ohiccf Al think he said
30.
Own you swear ho said SOP Alt Is to
the best Of my recollection. You have the record
and can determine It. Now. gcnilomcn. be-,