The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1879-01-27
TALMAGE'S SUBSCRIBERS.
The Reverend Gentleman Rises to Ex-
plain and Does So.
Ills MUCH READ DISPATCHES
Determined to Pay Off the Tabernacle
Debt Somehow,

III can naruiy Dc called q tempest IN q teapot De-
the whole city Of Brooklyn. press pulpit and
people in state of social and ecclesiastical
mentation. the like of which is not often seen. The
general and the Talmage mode in particular. educed
from sundry letters and documents published in the
HERALD last week. Briefly put the is this The
Brooklyn Tabernacle is Presbyterian
ganization, with pastor and trustees; also.
is customary, debt. About year ago,
when the Chicago Kimball here. raising
cash by prayer and paying Off debts for feeble
churches occurred to Pastor Talmage that it would
be good and still better fact to have the Tab
ernacle debt paid of. Letters written,
mons preached. meetings held and social influences
exerted to raise the large needed to pay off with
SO far all right.
But as time rolled on disagreement concerning
George w. Morgan occurred between the shepherd
and the bellwethers of the flock, in which the
got the better of the trustees, who rose in their
might and in body left the Tabernacle. Out of in
ternal complications grew the suit which was re-
ported in full in the HERALD last week, and dis
closure of the following kilograms concerning which
Brooklyn is now in fevered state:-
BnookLYs Jan. 30, 1873
sss
thing done If yon cannot the matter will not be under
graph m emu the
JoHN F. TALMAGE. Eutaw House, Baltimore =
viii and Mr. Hobbs allow me to pledge You each for
difference between your snescrPons and :. 9o9 Tec'
Answer of John F. Tamage to above kilograms
BALTIMORE. Jan. 30, 1873.
ah without Gseee% viii
Dc not telegraph again rs Hobbs and self used
THE TABERNACLE.
An immense audience gathered to hear Dr. Tai
mage yesterday morning. filling the Tabernacle in
every part and overlooking into the adjoining vesry.
The pastor appeared promptly and after the prelimi
nary services proceeded to draw contrast between
life in the city and life in the country. The
rather dull and not to be compared in interest
with the private discourse delivered to the HERALD
representative Immediately after the close of the
vices.
Inasmuch as it is but fair to assume that clergy
man who draws between three thousand and four
thousand people twice week for ten consecutive
years. to hear him preach, is likely to have
son for whatever course he may pursue the HERALD
reporter followed the reverend gentleman into his
little private ROOM There the Doctor greeted by
several of his constituents, on whom he beamed in
pastoral manner; by Q number of strangers. whom
phia. who paid s25 for seat. whom he shook heart
lily by the hand, and by Major General Corwin, his
factotam and other self. The Doctor wore fine felt
hat. huge ulster and smile to which sugar is
tart Hewas disposed be facetious and reticent at
first, but, will he seen. he serious enough
when he got down to business.
WHAT TALMAGE SAYS.
'sNow here said he as the HERALD reporter
approached 81 am not to be interviewed have de-
clined to say n word to all newspaper men. My law
am"
That's rights but az you have probably a good
for all you have done it difficult to fnd any
objection to saying so. isn't t?
Certainly. l would just lieve go before my
people to-day and read every OF those letters and
kilograms. Why they are as simple as A Be-
''why won't You give the HERALD the true inward
ness of them?'
II have no objections, but my friends think I'd
better not
.'Did you send the dispatches to John F. Talmage?
Certainly did. and they are all right"
"How came you to telegraph to him in Baltimore.
when he q Brooklynte?'
HE went to Baltimore for his health
"Did you ask him to subscribe 5000 and intend
to make it up in some other way. or was it part of
the Kimball plaza kind of decoy duckg'
''Well. you are such u tremendous pumper. may
as well tell YOU. The Kimball plan is no better
the Ives plan. Mr.. Talmage president of the old
board OF trustees. and thought it would look well
to have his name on the list 50 photographed some
piled that he couldn't afford it. Then -
''well. could he afford III Is he man of wealth."
"Oh, yes. He could afford it well enough. Then
went to my wife and l wrote the second
message. in which said that If he couldn't pay the
whole of it would make it up to him. My wife
was standing by me- and she said. DO you feel as il
you could afford to do that? replied that did feel
SO. and meant it, You see, was heart and soul in
the desire OF paying of our debt"
THE CONFIDENCE GAME.
Now, Doctor, you come to the point 1t is evil
enemies and some who friendly think that this
was kind OF subterfuge. sort of -
obtaining money under false pretencesY'
"why the thing is done every day."
''Do you mean to say that il Mr.. Talmage-by
the way. is he relative OF yoursT
Eyes; nephew.
well, do you to say that if he had permitted
You to announce him a subscriber you would have
paid the $4,000 yourself y
That's it. exactly. Why, suppose your son is
member Of club. aud being unable to subscribe to
some object comes TO you You say, Subscribe and
Ill let you have the money to pay for it, Isn't that
fair and honest? That's the case exactly. wanted
to have the names OF the old Board OF Trustees ON
our subscription lists. expected a number of Ave-
thousanddollar subscribers and these names would
have helped u.s.
"Were you friendly with Mr.. Talmage?"
every much so.
THE TRUE ISwAnpNEss
''Then there must have been some inside fact of
which the public know nothing What was ity'
"Tho fact is simply The old trustees didn't
like my action In regard to Mr.. Morgan our organ
list. and when 1 announced that he was re.engaged
am told they got up and left the church but you
know in such crowd as we have here hundred
might leave and no one be the wiser. have as good
eyes as any man In Brooklyn, and didn't know It,
Now they don't appreciate Morgan. They don't nm
derstand that We have musician here whose name
will be spoken hundreds of years from the
leading organist OF the world"
'what was their objection to Morgan on tho
organr"
SOh. they said he drank. Long ago he did drink
deeply. but that's all past and gone and should be
ashamed OF myself IL were TO 20 back on u friend
or man as long rs there was The slightest hope OF
helping him along and up
Al tins point Major General Corwin entered fhe
arena. The Major General IN the tallest, boldest.
sbrcwdest and most polite usher and major domo i'm
Brooklyn, aud that IL saying great deal where there
many churches and all the ushers wear bon.
fonais,es.
WHAT THE FACToTuM SAYS.
"The fact H., said he "the Doctor Is too mealy
\ toll HIM, 1uu.f that.