The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1879-04-05
MR.. nATnAWAY'ST TESTIMONY
WHICH DR. TILMIGE SAID CONTAINED
Pack or EALSEHOODS.

The Rev. DR.. IhcO. l.. Cuylcr opened yes
terdny's session 81 Or. Talmage's trial. in tho
Second Presbyterian Church. Brooklyn. with
prayer for the dclycranco Of tho brethren from
all unkindncss Of heart. malice, unshari,ablc.
ness evil thoughts and unworthy prejudice,
and for their preservation from unseemly and
INDIGENOUS conduct.
MIR. Thomas T.. pcarsoll of Morris & Pcarsnll.
lawyers. who were counsel for Theodore Tilton
In his suit against Henry Ward Beechcr was
asked by Mr.. Crosby when ho took the stand.
who are you?'
Mr.. Pcarsall replied that he was a lawyer aud
had lived in Brooklyn all his life, and that he
had been u trustee and a ucw-holdcr in tho
Brooklyn Tabernacle.
Then the taking OF testimony was begun on
tho specification that DR.. Talmogc had told
ialsehood in repeatedly announcing that the
pews in tho Tabernacle were assigned without
reference to the dollar question Mr. Pearsall
said | was a member Of the Board OF Trus-
tees and of the Pew Committee. My plan about
the pews was that had a price nxod on every
pew. and assigned the pows according TO that
price I had diagram which was made up by
tho Board OF Trustees. Any one who asked for
pow was assigned to one We found that that
didn't pay. and began to fix a price on the
seats When we got into the new church we
had price fixed upon the principal pews. and
those who took them had to pay it,"
Odd DIR. Talmage know Of this? Abr.
Talmage knew that we were managing the pews
I'm this way. for | spoke to him often about it,
think DR.. ralmago saw this diagram at tho
time We assigned the pcws in February. 1873;
Mr.. Willard said that the dctendants counsel
hnd no wish TO cro~s-eNaminc Mr.. PcnrsnlL
The following specifications were then taken
as text Tor the next testimony;
Third-in & at he repeatedly made public declaration.
IN various and emphatic form. speech from his pulpit
ehSrc e nS Sg5s s & , M9 Ne 9a,s w.a REF
srence to ths dollar question: although he knew such
foufihTIg That IN the winter q is7e-77. he falsely
aficrwsrd denied thai he had done So
Tho Rev. |. W. Hathaway who ia n member OF
tho Pres6ytcry' was called To- the witness stand.
In 1873 no became President Of the Young Poo
pies Association. and IN 1874 he became an
1874. by the trustees to devote himself to tho
interests of the Tabernacle He was to receive
compensation, All negotiations for subscrtp-
tions, or for assignments of sittings. were 10 be
left entirely to NJ i Hbathaway ,o, 3,
financial ana Spiritual capacity said the
Witness; attended funerals and visited the
Feb. /. Before that time / was given 4 diagram
containing the prices Of pews. which was 70
Ge5 rS% 6nd aSd moi was sr TO got as gs
less without reporting to the trustees. The
pew holders came to my house, where used
always ascertained first how much they would
pay before assigned them pew. and when
learned what they wer willing 10 pay. gave
them pews in that part Of the house which their
prico determined. have heard Or. Talmage
frequently say that the pews were not assigned
with reference TO the dollar question. He made
those statements more frequently formerly than
o. Do you know that he knew differently?
Al know that the trustees were pleading with
would not yield to the trustees rust have heard
tho subject discussed frequently in DR.. Tai
"A few weeks prior to the General Assembly
which met in the Tabernacle made the az
bly, closed sought DR.. Van Dyke TO advise with
him in RELATION to preparing myself for the
PRODUCTION TO tho Professors Of Princeton when
] went there. DR., Talmage also gave "a let
ter, which is as follows:
To n, Pro'e.r, n Prise.',a Tl,ai-I.,n .s.1,.,
away, WHO mcmt, Of n.y. tgureh and aa Elder lie
n nj a., S,,idr. r Ia Irgyyi ,, u ~
seryee lie eoms. TO yaa Win Qe PRAYER. and 6,st
Gospel ministry 7 Dr' WIN T,lSAeS
Pastor OF Brooklyn Iabouace.
Dr. Talmase also spoke in favor Of a resou-
uon ~ tho sunday school providing that l
should receive from the school 20 assist me in
the $1,000 for the two years received just 1900.
After my removal 10 Princeton | retained my
on ,es in the Tabernacle. communicated with
Dr. Talmage about getting speakers for the an
nversnry 81 the Young Peoples Association on
too feeble TIcn wrote 10 Dr. Talmase 10 try
70 secure DR.. John Hall. lie wrote to me at
Princeton as follows:
DKAR Ma llAfHAVI The last letter wrot Or Hall
ne SnsTyrra in,oym,A ana - ! cannot "fiir Ian
night Have made two engagement. taking me mo
Massachusetts, not kEoNius uas Tie llth would De tac
While l was at Princeton" continued the
witness. still IN proof Of friendly relations be-
note from the clerk of the session informing
me that my place as elder had been illied.
Mrs. Talmage tile following;
hnSns toward y9gr,s Is INTENDED by q. session IS
"A o e.
ant therefore ihcy ph some one IN your place tia, vii
personal feelings N mi. matter '''' 1''
The letter is dated Sept &c 1876"
The witness said that in returning from
Princeton in the vacation in tho winter he went
10 the BROOKLYN tabernacle and was cody re-
Went 10 Dr Talmaee rs bis pasio1 TO TO AK AK
what it. meant and to take his advice
Dr. Van nH% BgS hnai S Sni1 a sad ari ihP
IN the IreS,,Vgian Of Philadelphia, 70 the in
hnSnces lie said tbHt Ir VHn bvEe Ind sSid HAL
based thear He saidlha Dr. Van Dyke had
Ho didn't want 10, see DR.. Van Dyke and
he, would not have seen him had
ter, not understanding the situation, had
called him down. and he did SEQ him. denied
any Of tho secrets OF The Tabcrnacie' or hat
had said anything 10 lis injury, HI, said
Van DYKE together but pr. Talmago
would probably not give " any sqtisiact9p
insisted on going before the Sessions and hay
meeting Of the Sessions / had the subject
brought ~, and after it was discussed DR.. Tai
mage advised me not TO think anything NOR,
about ~ hut 70 drop the matter and 20 back t.
49,, 80 The qgM day, went to DR., Van Dykes
study, Indignant that hr should have said tha
mao gwen limr the dnia Of tins article,
charged Dr. Van Dyke with having said wha
Dr, IhllnnE9 had reported to me- Dr. Van
Dyke lumprd out ~ ms chair. ana denied thh