New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1879-04-05
MR.. TALMAGE ON TRIAL.

TuPFE SPEECHES BY THE DEPENDANT
THOMAS T. PFARsALL AND l. W. HATHAWAY OAL''"
TO THE sTAND-INQUIMEs IN REtkKEN'h ~
SEVERAL OBSERVATION-DISCLOSURES foRCIbLh
SPEECHES by Mr.. TALMAGE, WHO soLhMNh'
PROTESTS That NE WILL BE HfAHp-ANoih'
MOTION To SIT WITH CLOSED DOORS
The session of the Brooklyn Prespytery YESTERDAY
was the most exciting that has yet been heid'
There was little that was interesting u 'u0
nart of the session. Dr. Spear was absent by reason
90 mbooltb General surprise was caused when inc
1t ,,o,,ination of Mr. PearSall was concluded,
l. NJ N,Iord's remark that lac had no questions
a. oct A mart of Mr. Hathaway's testimony
rrodnced considerable excitement among the au-
,ro,ce Tie was examined In reference to the specl-
fcation which charges Mr.. Talmage with tasehood
and deceit in charging Mr.. Hathaway with as
honost practices. and then denying that he had
aoro ca The witness asserted that DR.. Van Dyke
r.,oa+ed IN him statements made by Mr.. Talmage
10 the feet that the witness was man III "hou
no confidence could be placed and that ne hau
misappropriated some of the church funds. W men
MI Hathaway repeated these things TO MI l"'-
mage, that clergyman denied them, and asser'eu
that Dr. Van Dyke was a notorious Iar' Inns IT,
mark was greeted with applause WHICH was
checked by the moderator. Mr.. Talmage remarked,
Dr. Van DYKE until the Judgment Day. Suose-
oueutly the matter was brought before the SESSION
~ tbo Tabernacle and adjusted satisfactorily.
Mr. NcCullagh. who was conducting the examin-
o+ion subsequently asked question in reference
"a the WITNESSES private affairs. when the moderator
affected on the ground that such question wohid
omen the door for the other side to inquire INTO ms
character at length. This called forth from MI
Willard the hope that the defence would not be smut
of from this inquiry and the scene which followed
was the most exciting that has occurred since the
on.nlnp of the trial. During Mr.. Hathaways testl-
,nonv. MIR TalmaCe had sat in DR.. Spears seat
buslv taking notes and watching the witness. MS
face was pale his lips firmly set, and his lea
lures wore a stern, almost sullcn, expression Al
fins point he sprang TO his feet in an
excited manner, and began to speak rap
idly and forcibly, with wild geSticulationS.
Il am ready" he said, to prove the truth OF
everything have said in regard to this man, and
after tins process has been going on of mahgning
nv character il is strange that the brethren should
be so tenderly delicate Of mans character" He
characterized Mr. Hathaway's statements ne the
"birgcst pack of falsehoods" he had ever heard,
and claimed the right to prove what he had SAID.
His remarks were received with prolonged applause
whcreupon Dr. Butler declared that if the applause
WIS repeated, he would move to have the house
cleared.
A few minutes later Mr.. Talmage again addressed
the Court and asserted that he was able TO prove by
many witnesses what he had said about Mr.. Hath
away II protest in the name of Godl' he said In
his most emphatic manner, that this PreSbytery
has no right TO shut down the gates after
having opened them to allow all the contumtly
and falseh0Od of the most internal character to
p3ur upon my soul i will be heard; If not here,
before another body" Again the applause broke
out and DR.. Butler quickly arose as II to make a
motion to clear the house. Before he could speak
Mr. Ialmage shouted Yehemently: - have the
floor. Dou't call me friend or brother, II Y0n
please" he continued, raising his voice and pointing
10 Dr. Butler. As soon as Mr.. Talmage sat down
that hereafter the PresbyteTy should admit TO lis
sessions only reporters and the members OF MI al
IMAGES family aud of the tabernacle Session. Inns
question gave rise to spirited discussion, during
which Mr. Tamage arose for the third time lie
protested that the members Of his congregation
were, with him, the defendants and they had an
equal right TO witness the trial. When he
ceased speaking theTe was FAINT applause
that il such motion was passed
IL would be with his solemn protest. This Pres
bvterv" he said has suffered because I initiated
trial ike this, and If we wish TO increase the bad
impression on the public, we have only TO enter
upon tins star chamber proceeding, and this PTesby
terry Will become stencil in the nostls OF the COM
munity" At this remark several members half
snrang up with deprecating gestures, but Dir. Mill
lard continued: AT least let this motion lie over
until Monday 80 that | my confer with my col
league, for ii this motion passes 10 Will become
serious question whether we shall not take up our
hats and leave the Presbytery 10 settle this natter
DIR. Wells Indignantly inquired what Nj. MIilard
meant bV the term star chamber and Mr.. MllaTd
explained that the community would regard II a.
such After further debate DR.. Butler con-
scented 10 withdraw his notion.