The New York herald., 1879-09-30

New York; the east bound rates named;
did not make rates to Liverpool; never
although. carried the freight we took our
New York freight. paying the Erie 1922 OF the
charges elevsting rates. the free marine had no
naming OF through rates OF freight; the Erie and
wSssrp % have It IN dasr
from the East to the West they can. make 50
rail rate; in 1874 we operated "four pool" divd-
ing proportion to the Pennsylvania, Erie and New
1873, when -four was carried from Milwaukee Now
York ut very nearly the Pro rata falling to the road
from buffalo. Buffalo to New York Of the srai division a
-four were carried by us during this fight; We got
very little Of the freight for lake carrying;
steamboat companies; they have an ad-
vantage over us which 1t is impossible
for us of the FREQ Marine to compete with; they
have slight advantage over us in opening earlier
and closing later than We do; whatever stuff bring
to buffalo must pay local rate to Eastern points
with tho railroad line of steamers sub
stantially there is no competition between the
roads leading out OF Buffalo eastward; cannot
toll the proportion of tonnage business between the
boats OF the Free Marine and the railroad companys
boats; the interests OF the business of Buffalo have
beon impaired to very large extent by the freight
discriminations; the fscilites OF Buffalo ample
for the handling OF grain, and in Of Chicago:
tho business of Buffalo would largely increase il
the freight determinations were removed; the
effects of low tolls have been shown in the
wholly monopolized by the Western Transportation
Company and the Union Steamboat Company; 1t Is
impossible for me to compete with the companies
namedi IL the railroad companies increase their tom
Iage capacity on the lakes the effect the free
marine must be disastrous at times; thoy dictate the
terms OF transportation; find that they oper-
ate on tho same even keel they combine
now against me. and when freights arc light
they practically dictate the terms of rates; think
many of the Western centres have been built up ut
the expense of Buffalo, caused by freight discrimi-
nations; the difference Of a discrimination
point as against another. would practically wpe out
the point Disseminated agsinst when connected
rates to Philadelphia; did not take anything to
Boston for the export trade; it went to New York;
we charge more to Boston.
To Mr.. Grady-We can carry on the lakes as
choaply as they we have got to have docks and
warehouses to discharge into. and without these
could not do our business unless Erie allowed us
to; when bring our freight to Buffalo aud give it
to the Erie road they won't give me local rate that
freight has been moved for by the railroads.
TO Mr.. Stern-rhe difference between through and
local rate excludes the Free Marine from carrying
freights they would not give furnish any facili
ties for receiving dscharging freight; these
boats that adapted for carrying freight we'll
is the railroads will not give lis the business.
A REMEDY SUGGESTED.
have considered remedy for these diacrimna-
tions. think that tho remedy must come from the
State Legislature. 1t cannot be effected by the mer-
chants and producers.
Q. Do you think it would effect the future Of Now
York city to make o freight rate two or three
cents higher in favor OF Baltimore and
Philadelphia? A. think it would inure the COM
mercial interest of New York city; if the canal
traffic wpod out tho lake traffic would go with
it, when tho rates 90 down Ave cents per cwt the
does not get the benefit of the reduction;
It goes first to tho specuator next to the storer OF
Grnn, and finally to the producer; when the rate Of
freight advances 1t comes out of the producer.
TO Mr.. Shipman-It would mako wheat higher in
New York If 1t cost 81 a bushel moro to transport
1t; 1t would come out OF the consumer
To Mr.. Gluck-Within tho last few years
tho ratio has been low both OH local and
through freight; I have never made
application to the New York Central road for
special rate; at times when the New York Central
road wants grain they will go ont West and contract
for 1000 600 bushels Of grain through to New York
il tho New York Central any other road is allowed
TO operate the lake and make rates low that tho
free marine could not carry at profit it would ruin
the business.
TO Mr. Shipman-I don't suppose Mr.. Allen will
ship or carry freight for nothing; they at
Chicago and Milwaukee to bid for freight
by the lakes. having the price at their own
control. When Mr.. Allen docs not obtain the
necessary amount OF freight Mr.. Vanderbilt puts
man on the Milwaukee or Chicago markets and
buys it. have done business for nothing to cer-
tain extont. There has been inducement for the
last few years for any to go into tho business.
The committee then adjourned until tomorrow.