The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1878-08-22
General Butler Wanted to Test
Major Burke's Veracity.
THE WITNESS INDIGNANT
He Refuses to Answer Until the Objectionable
Expression Is Withdrawn.
HARMONY RESTORED.


tt between General Butler the witness, Major Z.
A. Burke. Tho former asserted that the object OF
some OF his questions test the truthtuness OF
abe witness. Major Burke then declined to answer
any further questions IRON General Butler until the
offensive EXPIRE .sion had been Withdrawn. Alter
siderable debate the committee unanimously decided
that that part Of the proceedings should be expunged
from the record, and the investigation was proceeded
WITH
THE TESTIMONY.
Major e. A. Burke took the stand about eleven
O'Clock and was questonsd to the wormcy
ference. He said that on the part OF Louisiana ne
and his associates dom anded the nntervention Of
the federal government
O. Now tell US whether you did not agree-you and
Levy and Gibson and Ellis, representing Lousinus and
watterson, representing South Carohna-with. Mat
thsws Foster and others that II they would agree
on their part that the troops should be Withdrawn,
either by Grant Hayes, in consideration there
for you would agree withdraw all opposition the
counting in OF Hayesf A. We would agree TO advise
our friends in the House withdraw their opposition
10 the electoral count. The In opposition
10 the count In House based largely on rep
reservations made by myself and other friends Of
Louisiana, and when apprehensions relieved
10 tho fate OF Louisiana and South Carolina be-
lievsd that their opposition would cease.
WHAT AGREEMENT?
T.
Springer alter the wormley conference and handed
him paper containing the guarantees OF the Nichols
government This the only paper. to the best OF
his recollection, that he showed or handed Mr..
Springer that occasion.
@ Did you tell MIN that you had signed agree
ment2 A. did not might have said to him that
! had written assurances FROM Hayes referring
tho the 23d OF February by Hayes
to Foster.
General Butler SAID that the witness continually
talking about the agreements written on his side; he
bad said word OF the agreements received from
the other side, II any had been. The witness replied
that tue entire proceedings OF the conference had
beeu committed 10 writing.
O. All That is what want. Where Is that
writing A. You will have to ask Mr.. sherman and
Mr.. Matthews TOR the writing
q. You committed the whole thing TO writing, did
youP Then you had somo handle on tho other side
A. Partially so.
General Butler-Oh, it was a small handle
Major Burke-It was committed 10 writing, dsliv-
cred 10 these gentlemen and pronounced by them
Satisfactory.
coPIKs EXCHANGED
Q. To whom was II dcliveredy A. John Sherman.
Q. want the written guarantees on tho other side;
you were very fast to give tnoso your side
A. We found u very difficult 10 got any the other
side; tho only written guarantees the other side
were those OF Mr. Foster, Mr. Matthews aud tho
verbal guarantees given by Nsssrs. Sherman, Gar
field, Matthews and Dsnnison 10 the presence OF
various gentlcmcn assembled at tho conference at
Wormey's, which were committed TO writing copies
exeha gcd md prom ounccd satisfactory.
General Butler asked for the oopy. Witpess' last
bo meant Dy copies exchanged was that they had
written copy and mad gwen Mr.. Sherman and Mr.
Matthews copy Of the ,elcgrams that had been ex-
General Bulcr-Undonbtcdiy 20, but whero rs the
other SIDE; 1t ia all on your side YETI get plenty
what you said. l want something that these men
said made you stop the opposition 10 tho count
and swap of rilden Tor Hayes.
The wi,ness-we Fever snapped OIL Tiiden tor any
body
Wnness-we never withdrew our opposition TO
Hayes TIL after the democratic party abandoned TIL
den.
General Butler-I don't want to bring you into con.
fct with the democratic party. am after the other
right 10 buy any republican they chose TO buy. No
republican, nat Inc right to sell Now, that's the way
rs. You give papers IRON any ono on the
Other SIDE This appears come all from your side.
Now, what did sherman, Ellis or any Of those parties
Major Burke said that he gave the copy intended
Tor stanley Matthews to john sherman, whom he met
A. wiisro's hotei at the head oil the staircase. He
had never received any written guarantees or assur
aLces IRON Sherman or others There were no notes
or memoranda taken AZ the conference in Writing He
met Mr. Foster subsequently at his room, but tbore
was no part Of any conversation committed to writ
ing.
ALL ABOUT PAPgRs
Q. What papers have you ~ your possession re-
atDg 10 this conterencof a. have others than
tho.c described In my letter already; we had the
word OF 10. President OF the Uuiisd sls,es---
General Bu,lcr-i am taking about papers. Don't
play with nc. You dlon't take word with you, the
word OF the President oi the United States You
oian't carry hat IN your pocket
Here tnc General and the witness had lively dis
puto 10 the papers, but tho answer was always
same, that all the papers were referred TO IN his tcsi
mony.
from New Orleans newspapers rsicrriIg TO Governor
Hayss' promises ana guarantees, AMI asked the wit
nes II lie had seen and read them WitDcss answered
POPULAR coSrIpKscH IN MAJOR BURKE
Y. have you not deceived the people ., louisiana
BY allowing ,nsm TO believe that the newspaper state
menis were correclf a. Ny answer To that question
~ simply this--tnat 10 regard to my course toward
the people Of LOUISIANA anu my treatment OF tneir In
tsrests the view which they regard my relations
10 them pest expressed by Inc iaci that bat aiew
days since they gave q unanimous nominaiios Tor
the eac ing Official position IN their State this cam
papp:
Burke has been recently nominated Tor Secretary Of
State 10 lsouisans.t
take pace thcreS A. Was: think the despatch
O Ana you asked him 70 whom you should hand
over documents, ana Governor Nichols designated
Penn, OF Psnnsylvania. What were those docu-
menut A. Those which have already repeatedly
q wb>s documents had you thought necessary to
Telegraph Tor come one 10 take charge otr A The
aAo briefs 10 what We thought OF the supreme
Cour there, mere memorials from several parucs ana
other documents that cannot minutely describe
supplied the Associated Prcss with iuli ~ nopss OF
the matter on February ~.
General Butler then read the statement referred 10
piccem.sI anu Questioned the witncss as to It's |
rut And lasensss oil scope, as well rs frank
meas 81 did say that this was ~ Iuli said ~
contained substance what meant" SAID the w.t.
ncss
A LIVELY ROW.
general Butler askes II ne ala not cons'der mo
sgrccinest 10 stop hiDustering a very Important
tDinE 10 tins the witness asscnted.
T. Then why did you leave out that point about |
stopping hibustering IN your account 10 the Asso-
GATED Press " you wanted ~ 10 be iu and rankY A.
The words ''iui and frank" are your own, GencraL
General Buuer--rben you aid not mean 10 be full |
ana frank take that back
Mr. Hiscock objected that the reasons or witness !
not putung n into papers immatcriaL ibcy
not there Tor he purpose OF testing the uuihfu-
ness OF the witnesA
Geners Butler rose to his ioet and reared OUT ,