Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1878-06-12
Afternoon Session.

WASHINGTON, June ll.-At the opening OF
the afternoon session, ex- congressman Darrell
was sworn and examined by Mr. Mcmahon.
Darrell, in response to q few preliminary
questions, gave the names of the principal APP
plicants for the position of collector Of the
port Of New Orleans, and the examination pro-
ceeded as follows
@. Who was pushing Geo. s. Smith; who
finally secured tho ofice-vhat association of
parties?
A. I don't know that anybody was, except
that he was appointed. This is entirely my
opinion on the recommendation of the return
ing board, although Smith is man, believe,
of a pretty good record, and generally accept
able.
@. At what time did you become acquainted
| with Matthews first?
A. [ was introduced to him, / think, when
he was down there visiting statesman as it
was called. I met him in New Orleans more
than year ago. ] have been acquainted with
him since the beginning of the session in Oc-
| tober, and have met him frequently.
@. Did he take any part in the contest for
! the collectorship of New Orleans?
| A. Yes, sir. ! think at least. 1t was sup
| posed among all of us that he had influence
| with the President, and called on him in regard
! to that matter several times. Other OF our
| friends from the State did.
| Q. Have you recollection of when
| Anderson came over here in connection with
| either MIR. Packard's claims or yours to the
collectorship?
| A. Anderson had an interview about the
middle of January in regard to that matter.
| Anderson represented to me and Packard that
| he had some influence with Matthews and he
| volunteered to go and see Matthews and did
| SO, and think Senator Matthews told me, in
fact, he authorized me to say to Packard that
he had Withdrawn oil his opposition and to say
to him that Packard would be accepted by him,
and he informed mo that the trouble was that
the President didn't want Packard. Before
that Matthews had been bitterly opposed to
| Packard. I had been too see him some time
before Anderson saw him.
| 9. What was the influence, if you know
from this conversation, that Anderson exercises
over Senator Matthews which brought about the
change of front!
A. 1 do not think Andersons influence
brought about the change. 1t helped think
but l do not think it brought about The
change.
O. What did?
/ A. talked with Senator Matthews a mum
Der Of times, and other gentlemen from ou
State did, and about that time you know ther,
was change Of front down there. Senate
Matthews had stood very we'll down in ou
State, and had been commended for his part il
what was called the
woRS1LEY CONFERENCE.
the Nichols government, and newspaper, 60
to abusing him, and he did not feel SO friendly
IT, the Democratic element that helped to brin.
him around, and then also the interview witt
myself, and thank Anderson great deal be
cause Senator Matthews represented to me tina
he had said to Anderson that he had finally be
| come satisfied that Packard understood bette
the wants Of parties down there and was
proper man to be appointed. As to other in
: huence Matthews never represented that An
derson had any.
@. After the time that you became satisfe
Packard could not get the position of collector
you then urged your own claims?
A. This is very peculiar administration
> l was going to say that up to within three Q
four days of Smiths appointment, Senate
l Matthews thought Packard's chances yer
l good, and represented to Matthews and to til
President that preferred Packard's appoint
ment If he as well satisfied, as with m
: own. Matthews informed me up to within abou
t two weeks of the appointment that he though
D Packard would get it.
t @. Was it at that time it looked very we
for you to get 1T?
t A. Yes, sir. l think probably that it did.
@. Was that through the influence Of Sena
: tor Matthews for you?
A. l only know this. MIR. Matthews told nj
8 he had one or two interviews with the Pres
: dent in my behalf, and that he seemed yer
favorable to me, and that would be appoin
e ed.
"a @. Was not Senator Matthews, at certai
r period of time after he withdrew his opp,
e sition to Packard, active in your behalf, an
did he not urge upon the President your az
d pointment?
o A. can say nothing further than what Sci
t. ator Matthews told me. He told me he woul
,s endeavor to influence the President in n
!, favor.
e, @. In what way did Anderson figure in TIL
st connection, as friend of yours? Give us II
a. whole story in that connection.
b, A. Anderson saw Matthews first in Pac
ards behalf At that time Matthews said
did not think the President would appoi
m Packard at all. Within perhaps week or
10 my name was mentioned to Matthews. hi
an interview with Matthews and some of n
Ii. friends had, who were here in the city, and
suggested that possibly an appointment cou
e- be secured for me. and he suggested q certa
Mt recommendation for me to get from home al
er from others here. which did, and got sol
~ recommendations from there.
:. ne. You got recommendation from \
'e- Foster and Mr.. Corwin and others?
A. Yes, sir, and several Republican me-
bers not in the city but outside.
at @. You had just been turned out of c.
a gress and you thought you had pretty go
claim?
A. Yes, sir.
VI @. But the question: am more particula
DIS inquiring about is what service Anderson r
,e- dered you or was expected to render you
Senator Matthews in case you succeeded.
Mr.. Anderson was in the last campaign q