Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1878-06-24

A. They never advised me Of the fact that
they did.
@. Did it ever pass out Of your lands?
A.. 1t might have been given to the four
| winds.
@. If you remember anything ahout it say
SO, and it you do not say you do not remem
Der?
A. Well, if you want me to say do not re-
member, will say SO.
O. But are you willing to swear that you do
not remember?
A. My memory serves me Ill sometimes.
=. Yes, should judge so. Now want to
know whether that paper was destroyed by you
or handed by you to any body else?
A. The paper was never handed by me to
ANYBODY. 1t might have gone in the waste
basket.
@. Did you lay it down on the table where
somebody else mi ght have picked it up?
A. l do not remember. l considered it q
matter to be tabled, and it was tabled in the
waste basket.
Q. You found that answer on the table?
A. The answer was the table.
y. Did you see who put it there2
A. I might have done 80.
y. But want to know what you did see?
A. will say then that do not remember
If that is what you wish. l was in haste at the
time, and it was small matter and did not
waste much time. 1t was nothing to me.
@. You are the person who got Anderson to
go back to Louisiana?
A. Yes, sir; if it had not been for me to
make arrangements he wonld not have gone
back.
@. Did not you take pretty large interest
in the politics of the State at that time?
A. / am never Indifferent to politics. It is
a science.
@. Particularly in Louisiana?
A. Yes, sir; we make it SO.
q. Did you consider it a small matter when
the vote of the State depended these two
parishes2
A. deem it SO. did not know that vast
interests we're hanging in the balance then.
The returning board had not met at the time.
The protests were entered, but the visiting
statesmen did not come till afterwards. Ander-
son had entered his protest, and the Demo-
Gratis had offered him four thousand dollars
and he was smitten with regrets of conscience
that he had ever entered the protest, and
he wanted to take it up.
r. You let Weber think the letter had been
A. Yes sir. 1t prevented them from annoy
ing us. | mean the party
@. What brought you to Washington last
January?
A. My own affairs. Besides 1 am interested
in the nation generally. am devoted to the
nation.
@. And it was in pursuance of your devo-
ton to the nation that you came here?
A. Certainly, that brings all PATRIOTS here.
@. What was the particular thing that
brought you?
A. Legislative business generally and then
l wanted to see the capital again. I was told
it had improved. wanted to see that legisla-
tive business glided along smoothly.
Q. You had several interviews with Mat
thews?
A. Yes.
O. And several with Sherman?
A. did myself the honor of seeing Mr.
Sherman. but once he would not accord me a
private audience and would not state my bust
ness in public, and that, l think, laid the
basis of this Potter investigation.
@. What was your interview with MI. Mat
thews about?
A. I asked Mr.. Matthews if Anderson had
spoken to him of any letter, the Sherman let
ter so called. and Mr. Matthews said no, and l
said all right.
@. What led you to make that inquiry?
A. I think Anderson must have bought a
gross of postal cards about that time, because
in the early part of the year he used to send a
card nearly every day, stating he had almost
''treed'' MIR. Matthews he had run him down.
and was ''going to get him. think he was
in pursuit of Matthews all over the State of
Ohio, and believe he almost ''treed'' him. OF
course this was slang phrase and did not
know what it meant. did not know what he
intended to do with him. and I never could find
out. and did not find out fl ON Mr. Matthew'S
either.
@. Had you any interest in the collector
A. 1 considered Packard a political martyr
and thought he ought to be provided for
He has since, but he not then, owing to
his political friends being traitors.
O.. To whom do you refer when you speak
of his friends?
A. I do not think President Hayes treated
him very we'll.
@. This letter Kellogg wrote you had no
relation to his fight?
A. Well, he wanted to know what Anderson
was talking about. Anderson you know, talks
too much. He ambles along and goes over
He asked what document Anderson had in his
possession. l wrote Kellogg first, Anderson
might Lark but he would not bite. Anderson
complained Kellogg did not permit him to see
enough ahead. You know what that means.
Kellogg merely wished to know what document
it was Anderson was always talking about. /
could not enlighten him because I did not
know myself.
Q. You told him Anderson was of no &C
count?
A. No, sir;I never said that myself. He
knew that without my telling him.
@. Did you know any thing about what
passes Anderson had?
A. should have thought the whole city
might have known, because he told every one
he met.
@. What influence were you expected to ex-
er:ise in this (Packards) fight?
A. I don't know.
y. Well, you came here?
A. Well, yes. sir; I came and saw.
Q. l think you conquered. Your coming
and seeing is nothing. 1t Is the conquering
part we want to know about.
A. But STILL Packard did not get the col
lectorship. His friends went back on him.
@. What particular lever or screw we're you
to turn when you came into the field?
A. Whatever one chose to handle. don't
know the word of it.
Q. You went to see Secretary Sherman while
you were here?
A. Yes, went once, as l have said.
@. Didn't you apply for position while
Orleans custom house?
A. No sir, did not. I received letter
from Anderson saying that Sherman had sent
him a letter which, if it could be found would
damn him forever. That is the language of
Anderson. Then began to think it was rather
serious, perhaps. Then l took this letter and
went up to the treasury department and re-
quested a private audience, and Sherman
granted it. The whole matter would have been
explained to him, but he said he could not
grant private audience, and would not ex-
plain the matter before his secretary.
told him I wished to speak of matter
that occurred in Louisiana Sherman said
the country was tired Of Louisiana matters,
and I thought myself; and 1, finding could
not get private interview, on the 5th of Feb
ruary exonerated Sherman entirely through
a statement made to the press; or rather, I
sent letter which he had published.
Q. Have you spoken to Mr.. Shellabarger
about the letter?
A. met him once, and then he looked like
old Atlas, with all the weight Of world on his
shoulders, and he said at that time, Neither
my client or myself ask any favors.' l said,
no one is pursuing you with any such inten-
ton, and that was all there was about it.
@. When you went to see Secretary Sherman
describe his appearance.