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THE EUROPEAN SITUATION.
More Complications Arising.
SUMNER-Mo CONTROVERSY.
Gen. Grant Speaks Out.
FALL IN L. \. BOMBS ABROAD,
Gen. Grant Speaks Out.
FALL IN L. \. BONDS ABROAD.
THE SIMMER. MOTLEY CONTRO.
NGRSN.
Interview With Gen. Grant-He Says
Nr. summer was a Victim of Mental
DeIuSion

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NLw IoRF, Feb. The controversy re-
Safdlng senator Sumner and Minister Motley
lSreNlNed 10y the publication OF another inter
view with General Grant at Cairo, Egypt. It
Is IN answer To the article by George w. Curtis
published in Hdrper'S, December : 1877, and
which the general claims does him Injustice
He says: Il did not accuse Mr. sumner of
knowingly and Intentionally falSifying the
facts. That is too grave an imputation 10 be-
made against any man unless upon ndubita-
bic evidence Ot an intent 10 deceive. But
what said then, and what say now, is that
Mr summers temper and nature We're such
that ne believed his OWL Illusions without re
gard to the facts. Ii really almoSt. amounted
10 mental delNSion, and SO far aS his feelings
toward Governor Fish and myself were con
cerned II is most charitable 10 feel that il was
amental deluSiOn. Thus in the later years of
ms NE. whenever my name was mentioned i'm
Mr.. summers presence, he would lose all con.
troll of himself and say things about me of the
SeNere>l and most outrageous nature-things
oi which he could not by any possibility have
had kno%ledge, even If they had been true.
told MI Curtis of one incident showing how
MI. sumner Stemper and nature were affected.
This l. an incident which can also he verified
House olil passed Congress during recon
Structlon times. This bill was popular with the
admirers OF MIR. Sumner and IL originated i'm
the committee of the whole, Of which Mr.
Boutweli was chairman. IL happened that
MI. Boutwell, who, you remember. took a lead
ing part in the legiSlaii ion upon reconstruction
was almost, If not Altogether, the author of this
nlll, ana had written IL out without consulting
the committee Notwithstanding this Mr..
sumner told Mr.. Boutwell, that he, Mr.. Sum
her, had prepared that bill. every word and
every line himself and had passed il through
congress. Now this Is not the conduct OF a
liar. but THAI of man whose mind, by sorrow
OF suffering, or some visitation of Providence
had become diStempered, and 1 have always
Solhterpreted the conduct of Mr.. Sumner to-
ward me. j have no animosity toward hum,
nor his memory, but his admirers. or people
who pretend TO he his admirers, use his name
and memory 10 attack me-
AbOut John Jay.
he says that John Jay makes preteXt uI
euioglZlng the dead 10 attack Gov. Fish. III
any one hated Mr. Sumner il WAS MIR Law af
the time of the appointment of Mr.. Motley as
minister 10 England. Mr.. Jay wanted 10 90
10 England. and was sorely disappointed that
a change would not be made i'm his favor
even after Mr.. Motley had been fully assured
OF his appointment. Mr.. Jay probably forgaye
Mr.. Sumner before the Senator'S death. but he
blamed him for his failure 10 go To London.
About Motley.
Speaking of Mr.. Motley the general said
that he had the kindeSt feelings toward him
and II he were called upon TO speak of linn he
would pay high tribute to his character and
quallhcallonS. III respect is due 10 the dead
truth and Justice are due To the living, and 1
only spoke in Sclf-defence and after manV
years OF silent submission Ia assaults from Mr.
Sumner and his friends only in the interest of
truth and Justice
The 81. Domingo Treaty.
IL Is possible, said the general, that but
Tor MI. Summers opposition TO the ST. Do
mingO treaty he would never have been re-
moved from the chairmanship OF the commit
tee on 1Orelgn relations. But il that oppoSi-
ton had anything 10 do with the eStrangement
oil Mr.. Sumner and myself the fault was his
and not mine. My relations with Mr. Ed
munds and his colleague, with Mr.. Wilson and
numerous other Senators who opposed the
treaty, were never disturbed for a moment
IL is said that l made my visit TO Mr. Sumner
about January /, ISL, To try and induce him
to support the st. Domingo treaty. never
thought OF such a thing. had no idea that
the treaty would meet with opposition from
him or auy one else. 1 called simply out of re
Specl TO the position Mr.. Sumner held
as the head of the committee on for
fact of such a treaty being negotiated should
have been kept from the public and from Con
greSS until that time and TO explain 10 him
also the reports brought back by the agents of
the government who had visited the island as
TO the resources of 81. Domingo, IFS soil. the
character OF the people, their wishes i'm regard
TO annexation, and other points The question
as 10 whether or not he would support the
treaty was asked by Col. Forney, who hap
pened TO be present. ] called as AIr Sumner
was finishing his dinner, and Col. FOrney was
one Oi the guests He rose TO leave when 4
entered, but asked him TO remain. When 1
had finished my statement Col. FOrney said,
'Of course, Mr.. Sumner, you will support this
treaty" or some such thing: 1 don't remember
the words. III had any doubts aS To the course
Of Mr.. Sumner in relation TO the treaty, the
answer would have been very satisfactory. I
HAY d. wen SdS Jndt curing the conversation,
after had finished what came To say about
st. Domingo, Mr.. Sumner opened about his
friend Ashley, as he called him, and asked me
If could not do something for him. Ii would
be quite as proper for me TO charge that Mr.
Summers subsequent opposition TO the treaty
was due to his disappointment i'm not procur-
ing good position for his friend, as it is for
the admirers of Mr.. Sumner TO make charges
against Gov. Fish and myself of improper mo-
tlveS i'm our difference with the Senator The
charge would be much more susceptible of
proof without changing facts TO accommodate
argument. But L do not charge improper mo-
tiveS in this matter and sincerely believe that
would do the memory of Nr. Sumner great
injustice if did"