The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1878-05-14

should bo submitted to: but j repeat what
said before, that to refuse to inquire into sue
cesstul frauds is to invite their continuance,
and in the end to lenpardize and not 10 secure
me public safety. Now, gs the subject matter
shall move the previous question upon II. aud
the House can determine by its vote on that
bacd
Mr. Hale rep. Me) said he had nm amend
mcnt To offer which was clearly gcrmanc tl The
resolution and he submitted that, in all fair
ness. he should he permitted To- offer II. He
hoped that. considering the magnitude 81 the
sublrct-which had been well referred to and
acknowledged by the gentleman from New York
that gentleman would not seek here and now
tnsllnc iurtncr dthate or u prcyehl Inc krpun-
lican side of the House from Offering amend
mcnts that would make the investigation moro
exhaustive and scarchins,, lie therefore Ms cd
Ia offer ha amendment
Mr. Potter will yield TO the gentleman to
state the nature Of his amendment. II may
be that IN form OF nm amendment he wants to
Mr. llals-Thc better way is for the gentleman
To- allow the amendment to be read.
Mr. Pottcr-Thc gentleman from Mainc IL OK
cerdingly familiar with parliamentary law. anil
IL able 10 state the nature Of his amendment
md when lr stufss il thpn will answer yyhnihrr
| VIII allow II 70 bc offered.
Mr. llac-Thcn will read the amendment
Mr. pottcr-l did not ask the gentleman 10 do
That. asked him to state what the nature OF
his amendment was.
Mr. Hale think | may he allowed 10 say
that this matter has not come up suddenly. Ii
was considered u long time by the gentleman
and his neso 'acs. but il WAS never known when
II would hr sprung upon the House. Feeling
that II was becoming. Of course. n party ma ter
! consulted with the speaker and received from
him the IA -1rancc, and am glad to say that. in
these matters. the Speaker IL always ready to
give the minority a chance to be- heard that this
side of tho House should b. represented in this
matter. and should have the opportunity OF
presenting its propositions. All that will como
from the grntlcmans yielding to my courteous
request that my amendment may come in here
Is inc opportunity 10 vote upon IT. le and his
HSsueihtcs may vote II down ii they Will. and We
Will then, vote upon the resolution. H.
will see. however. that my amendment is
germane to the resolution. is In the direction Of
Investigation. and that SO far from narrowing
the invrstig cation or sitting II In the least de-
gree, 1t sends Ia this select commiitec-appoint-
ed for purpose-subjeH matters only con-
nccted with the subject matter Of tho original
resolution. and that Il departs not one iota from
the great subject matter Of the investigation
the alleged frauds attendant upon the Prcsi-
iull Investigations That ne does not mere.
10y the power which he has Of managing
this resolution, throttle the right Of this
side OF the House to offer an amendment
Tho Spcaker-Ihc Chair desires 10 say in
corrQhoratiqn u the gentleman from Maine
tMr. Hale thnt the Chair did state this, that II
the gentleman from Maine desired to submit
an amendment he would be- recognized by the
Chair for that purso provided the gentleman
who WINS in charge OF the proposed resolution
gave him the opportunity to Offer It. Then the
gentleman from Maine asked whether the
amendment. being germane to the subject mat
t,r' was not Us murn a question OF privilege ~
The original resolution itself and the Chair
todd him that ~ ih" amendment Was competent
az question 81 prNiieg", the thnir would xiv"
j m tn" pr.vil ~ OF OI'rinE the proposition in
his own right.
Mr. Hal,-l admit clearly that the RESPONSE
hiity i not with the chair hut with IN" gentle
man Mr.. Potter representing the majority on
the other side. My imonlment Is hero Olold-
INK 10 ia his hand. and desire ~ offer IL.
Mr.. Poti"r-l accept an the responsibility TINT
belongs % me. As io the quest on oi dri"rinin
ing whether the amendment shall come in, DO
NOT yinld to allow The amendment 90 be offered.
Ih' ilnai responsibility. howev0 r. does not rest
upon me. but upon tho Hou-euf Representa-
uN'~. which may refuse to second the previous
question. But the gentleman has made no an
swcr To my request 10 state what ms amend q
meut relates to, amy moro than that he snys u
relates to the general subject oil The Presidential
frauds.
Mr.. Halc-wm the gentleman allow the
amendment 10 b" read. and then he will under
stand what II is ! VIII send y TO the Clerk +
desk. Shouts Of No! no. from the Demo
MIR Poiior-The gentleman from Maine can
answer. II hc chooses and it he refuses 90 am
swnr. and insists on giving ne an answer in q
quire of fooscap. then say that II Is not such
an appeal To- my courtesy as ought TO yield To-.
For aught know It may refer e. other States
thnn the states Of Louisiana and Florida.
Mr.. Haie-Thcn The gentleman seems 10 limit
his Investigation 20 selected States and will not
allow il to go outside. Is that the reason why
ne VIII not admit any amendment tell gen
temen plainly that my amendment is not con-
iin.d {, me States q Florida and Louisiana.
Mr.. Potter Now | have got at last an answer
anon lmeut II frauds were attempted In Flor
iin uua Louis ANA. thty Were carried out SUI
n"~- ally ana t' anne operative. II III" object
oi the Hm,ndmcn, OF tn gentleman from Main
Is to show that there were frauds in 5 nth Caro-
liAn, 10y which t'n electoral vote Of that state
was counted for lInvDs when 10 ought 10 have
boon counted for Iinirn. then ] shall Deg pro
pared tO answer a. TO an amendment ~ that
sort; hut tho gentleman from Ma nc VIII not
venture 10 declare anything: ot that kind.
Mr.. hair-lr other words. you mc"n - sry
that ANY frauds t.at Apply ga IN" ono SIDE Hr"
"a bee looked into here. and that any frauds COM
mlttei ty the gent man IS own party arr Ia ho
"Nc .uied. Is that IL; lApphus' on the Re-
Nh Pottcr-0h no. The world Of wrong i.
very wide. lfthe gentleman wishes To- inquir.
into matters Of nortl delinquency outside of
tho two States Of Florldp an Louisiana. dp not
object Let him lnirodur ms rc.9iutlo n
tiuu. .Alliau-e ON thr Democratic eldeI |
seek nothing of the kind um not aiming al
eie 'toru vote Of these stat WAS really prrpn-
trHted and il so. how It was perprtrntrd. In
order that such frauds may be prevented here
alter
Mr. Hale-And the gentleman denies any NJ
tempt a. Investigation whore there are cirurly
shown iruuls-the bOldtst in American history
-perpetrated 10y his own party in half q dol n
other states. lie refuses to let that lnNestiga-
ugn 60 to Ibis committee;
Nj Pouer-l Will vote for any kind oi an in
vcstigaton that you seek, hut the amendment
you propose is not germane 10 the resolution,
ani intended To prevent eHectual investigation.
Mr. hale-But the gentleman viii not l,t II -
10 the committee Of which he is the head. | do
not ask for the appointment OF committee
with "a majority from this side ot the House
but | ask that the inquiry which the gentle
mans resolution proposes be us sweeping rs
the country desires II 10 be.
Mir Potter Well. let the gentleman from
Maine sweep the dirt for himself Laughter on
the Democratic side.l
Mr. lIale-The gentleman from Now York owl
IDENTIFY does not mean 10 sweep. daughter on
the Republican sidc.l
Mr. Pouer-NO; not with the insufficient
broom that you would ike used.
Mr. Garfield crop. Ohio took the floor. but
wa met with calls 10 order on the Democratic
side.
M Potter said. Il yield to any one Of the
visiting statesmen" lIhughtcr.l
Mr. Garneld-l understood the gentleman
| from New York 10 say when he was first up that
| he WIS not seeking To investigat the Presiden-
tlal title but to Investigate the question of fraud
| in the Presidential election. Now If that be So
| | can only say that II the gentleman +
last position. that he will not Investigate
| any alleged fraud in any state unless
| the vote u that State was necessary
| 10 put the President in the Presidential chair
is IN conflict with that idea II seems 10 me my
| friend utterly changes his position now to one
| Of seeking 10 get at the Presidential title. II
| he Is seeking 10 get nj the question OF fraud I'm
| the Presidential election, then he will get, be-
| lievc. the unanimous vote of this side Of the
! House to pass his resolution, provided he will
enlarge it To- take in all other casrs where there
is read bona fldc allegation and belief 10y larg,
| body OF the people OF fraud fully as great n
anything that he believes to have existed IN Flor
| ida and Louisiana. IT he Will enlarge Ms rrSOlu-