Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1878-06-13
A. By his sending for me through Anderson
@. Did you write to Anderson to come and
see YOU about your candidacy?

@. Did you write to Anderson to come and
see you about your candidacy?
! A. Wrote him number of letters.
Buttler-Gnterrupting)- Pardon me. You
were about to become e candidate for high
office under the government. Here was q
| drunken, miserable fellow, down in Louisiana,
or had been there, of whom you had learned be
had got corrupt agreement, to have the naval
citizenship. Don't You know whether he offered
his services to you or you went to him?
A. Well, sir, Anderson and myself had had
conversation in regard to the collectorship
before became cold in regard to Packard.
Q. Leave him out?
A. About myself. can't swear whether
the suggestion came from him or me or from
some friend Of mine.
@. I mean the suggestion that the loafer
could take part in-that's what want?
A. remember writing Anderson about the
matter.
@. Didn't you write him to come over and
hold you?
A. wrote number of letters,
@. Shorty, did you write him before he
said anything to you?
A. 1 think did.
@. Don't you believe you did,
A. That's my best recollection. Unless
saw the letter I could not tell.
Q. What induced you to go to Philadelphia
for this miserable man to aid you in that can
didature.
a. L stated ANDERSON la0 SuggeS-
ted to me a number of times and it was under
stood that he had papers or documents that
the powers that were would be willing and
glad to listen to.
@. When did he make that statement 10 you
first leaving out the Weber and Nash agree.
ment?
A. Sometime previous to this date, prob
ably month.
@. Did Anderson say anything or hint any
thing to you about any documents, leaving out
the Weber and Nash documents, till you wrote
him about or asked him about such docu-
ments?
A. Yes.
Q. Where?
A. My first letter to him to come must be
dated in Philadelphia. Anderson was here i'm
mediately previous to the recess or Immediately
after, for some time, and I have heard him
state that he had letters from Matthews and
others.
@. What is the earliest day that you can
recollect that you knew anything from him
that he had them or claimed to have them?
A. 1t is very difficult for me to answer that.
During the time the commission was there !
knew he had letters from Matthews. he so in
formed me, and I am of the impression that he
informed me about what is called the Sherman
agreement either before or Immediately after
the holiday recess. I can't remember exactly.
@. Now we have it that when the visiting
statesmen were there in April Anderson in
formed you he had letters from Matthews.
j.. A. He certainly informed me, and think
he showed me a letter from Matthews, of in
PRODUCTION to Judge Harlem, or something of
that kind. My recollection is he said some
thing about having such letter, and showed
it to me.
@. Did he tell you what he was going to dc
in consequence of that introduction?
A. He told me he had called, or would call
on Harlan, and my recollection is he did call
| on Harlan more than once, presented the
letters Of introduction and converted with
Harlan, don't recollect what he said but he
said he had number of interviews, and he
told him at that time, as I recollect, that he
gave that Weber agreement to Harlan-that is
he found the agreement and he said he had sent
it to Matthews My Recollection is that he saw
Harlan, was promised some position, and de-
ivered him the document He said he sent il
to Matthews, but my recollection is he gave il
to Harlan.
Q. Then you knew he was sent with q conf.
Dental letter of introduction from Senator
Matthews to Harlan, and he was visiting Harlan
back and forth, and that he had given him
copy of the Weber affidavit?
/ A. Yes My recollection is that ] never
knew what was in that agreement till saw il
in print.
Q. Didn't you ask him then what the Webe
! affidavit was if you did not know about it?
! A. Certainly. My recollection is he state(
to me that it was an affidavit to the effect tina
| their protest not legal.
| @. Which document did he tell you he CAV,
Harlan, in your recollection; the original or tn,
copy?
@. Didn't you say to him what on eartl
did Harlan want of that?''
A. / don't recollect any conversation.
cannot i've the words used, but / expressed
much surprise that Harlan wanted that docu
ment.
@. In answer to that surprise what did An
derson say? Let me help you; didn't he sa,
why, Harlan promised if would give it t.
him he would help me to get an Office" O
| words to that effect?
A. The effect was that, of course, Harlan
and Matthews would secure him an office.
| @. Did you express any surprise to Ander
son that after Matthews and Harlan had bee
informed that he had made fraudulen
agreement with Nash and a false protest, tina
they should promise to give him an office?
A. have doubt did.
Q. Do you remember SO?
| A. Certainly.
@. How did Anderson meet that surprise Q
yours?
A. You will have to help me out. -
q. guess l can. Did he not say he wa
employed by Matthews to watch the Packar
people for him?
A, No; l did not hear of it.
Q. And to report to Harlan about it?
A. I never heard anything about tn
Packard government.
Q. 1t didn't surprise you that Harlan want
to consult this man?
A. My recollection is that I supposed
wanted him for the purpose Of consulting
regard to the Office.
Q. You were surprised that he wanted
give him an office, but not surprised that
wanted to consult hin about the office?
A, That is about the idea,
Q. When did you first learn from any Twin
being that the Sherman letter was in exis
ence?
A. I cannot give the date that learned {
the existence of the letter, am satisfied
learned it from Anderson himself.
l. @. When you first heard Of it, what did yo
hear it was?
A. The recollection have of the letter, WI
that it was a letter given by Mr.. Sherman an
Mr.. Stoughton, to Mr.. Anderson and M
Weber in reply to a letter sent there by Ande
son and Weber stating that they had made r
turns from their parishes.
Q. No. you now telling me what is
the Weber letter. I want simply to learn VIII,
you learned1 the contents Of the Sherman lett
{ were about?
{ A. That it was about the fact that if tho
gentlemen would stand firm by the Republics
party and make their returns and do their dut
they would be rewarded and their servic
would be remembered by the administratie
coming in power.
@. Did you think it at all important as
letter?
A. I can't remember my thoughts back s
months or year.
3 @. Can't you tell me whether you thong
G it was important or not?
t A. I did think SO. Yes sir.
Q. Now, it being an important letter writ
by the secretary of the treasury to poor jur
f and loafer, did it strike you as .; strange c
cumstance that you would forget?
A. have never forgotten it.
g @. Then can't you tell us when you learn
J.. that important thing?
: A. I-have fixed it as near as can.
; @. Some time prior to the meeting of &c
gress in October, you learned of this Sherm
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