Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1878-06-30

Black and Vance, colored men, election officers
of the Archer precinct, of box No. 2, were APP
pointed the former in the custom house at
Philadelphia, and the latter messenger in the
sixth auditors Office, J. w. Howell, deputy
clerk of Baker county, was appointed collector
of customs at Fe1nandina.
By Butler-From whom did you get the first
information that the Packard government WAS
to be broken up or overthrown? A. The first
information which l considered reliable re-
ceived from Stanley Matthews, some time be-
tween the 18th and 25th of February 1877.
called upon him in his room at Wormley's and
had a conversation with him. told him had
called to see him because had heard that Gov.
Hayes, when he should come to Washington,
intended to stop at some private house, and
wanted to express the hope that he
would sd not do So but a w9sd 20
that arise in such cases. He said he thought
Gov. Hayes would stop either at Judge SWANS
or Senator Sherman's. l then said, as an ex-
cuse for coming to him ON the subject, that
felt some sort of responsibility for Gov. Hayes
until the 4th of March, and then, l said he will
take care of himself. Senator Matthews re-
piled, "Since you take so much interest in
l wish you would do the best you can, or use
your influence, to prevent President Grants
recognizing the Packard government
That remark at once excited my attention as
it WAS the first tangible evidence had had that
the dishonor and dishonesty which afterwards
to me it would be about the best thing if
Grant should recognize and establish the
Packard government. He said no. because if
Grant should do 80 Hayes would be bound by the
decision of his predecessor and would not be
at liberty to change or disregard it. Ireplied
that thought that would be about the best
thing that could happen. to have the recog-
milton absOlute by Grant, so as to give no
option to Hayes, but to give him the question
as an ad Indicated question. He said no, that
is not the best way. 1t is the intention to
have the Nichols government recognized.
Then, either at the same time or in response to
an inquiry from me, he said the intention was to
have the Hampton government recognized in
South Carolina.
His language may have been mo, the
Nichols government is to be established But
| said to him: l did not see how the President
| could help recognizing and sustaining the
Packard government when the Hayes electors
had been chosen by the same votes, and had the
same Atitle. He said he had been looking
| into that and there difficulty about it,
whatever; that he had ascertained while the re-
turning board canvassed the votes for the
Presidential electors the votes for Governor
We're canvassed by the legislature, SO
that the electors and governor derived their title
from different sources. | replied all the re-
turns were returns established by the return
| ing board, and there were no other legal returns
| in the State that the legislature had canvasscd
the vote, and declared Packard elected iron
those returns. L then suggested another diff
Guilty, that it Nichols and Hampton were rec
| ognlZed, two or three Democratic Senator
would be the result, and would probabl,
then have q Republican administration comins
| into power, with Democratic Senate. lie re
piled there would be no trouble about that. L
would or had been arranged to have Republican
Senators from those States.
Q. Did you have any conversation will
Senator Matthews after that? A. l saw hin
at Secretary Kobesons the Tuesday before tn
18th of March, and stated to Dim l though
Packard would be sacrificed by that arrange
| nent. and dissented from that policy, stating
emphatcally if Packard was not sustained
would never maintain the honesty OF Hayes
Evarts, Garfield Kasson and Mccormick Wer
present. Kasson tried to justify the policy
and Evarts and Garfield said but little in as
sent or dissent.
Witness subsequently called upon Gen Gar
| field. who told him Of the conference at Worm
! ley's hotel: the object of which, he stated, wa
to see it some arrangement could be made b.
which the Packard government could be aban
bonded, surrendered or given up. Gen. Gar
field: witness understood, had u memorandum
of the conference, which witness would like t
see. Witness Was at the executive mansio
with Gov. kellogg, between II and II o'cloc
OF March I'd, just before the cabine
assembled, and carriage drove up, an
Gen. Sherman, Gen. Dennison. and Gov
Hayes got out and went into the executiv
mansion and, witness was afterwards in form ed
had an interview with Gen. Grant. Neve
heard that the dispatch Of Sniffen, private SEE
rotary to President Grant, dated March Isl
was received by Packard until the afternoon q
March I'd, and not until after the dispatch O
Sherman, of March I'd, to Augur, was received
Butler then read an extract from the speec
made by Representative Foster, and said he ex
pected to be able to show who wrote it, but h
suspected it was written by a Southern Demo
GRAFT.