The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1878-08-21

iNu bUly NkTttu lndt you WOull ub tll'iN W
State for the benefit Of the Democratic party?'
That's your view of it,"
Gen. Butler with emphasisl-l am trying to
find out what consideration the Republican
party received in consideration OF giving over
10 the Democratic party one OF the States of the
Union. | want To- got mt the consideration. |
nsk you II tlis promise was ,d anythinE more
chinery to get the blacks To- vote with youf'
Nothing more than what WIS in the party
platforms of our state party. ,
Then you agreed in one pnrt OF this induce
mont 10 curry out the Democratic party plat
form 2"
II was In the PLATFORM"
Did that impress Stanley Matthews as n very
iay9rnhlc ming for the Republican party 2
We did not discuss it,
Your memoranda also promises on behalf
OF the Nichols Government that. DESTROYS VI
healing the disscnsions that have disturbed the
Stat" for years past. and anxious that the cti-
zens Of all political parties may hc free from
the trVcrish unXietiCS ut political strife to Jpin
hands in honestly restoring the prosperity NJ
Louisiana. the Nichols Government Will not
engage in the prosecution Of individuals for
past political conduct. but do not assume to
do you refer to there2 Past political conduct
mrans Simply voting or, making political
speeches. or doing other political acts
-. ANY political conduct except such rs laid
the perpetrators liable to punishment under
the criminal laws Of our stat
Nothing said about the Returning Board 10y
youor MIR. Matthew'S -
No. sir; not ut any time / did not intcnd To
violation Of the "i laws Of the stntr w ''''''''
Have you ever snd that Matthews or some
one nj the time wanted To get IN there guar
nntr" against the punishment oi tn" koiurnng
Hoard. hut that you put III simply tho phrase.
N1i guarantee immunity from rrimeY
Il have never said to any person that il was
sought To include the members oi IN" Frturn-
ing Board IN any guarantees. lave never
said In any person that there was AN att"mh to
get in the Returning Board toy namc. Perhaps
YOU rrlrr g. the interview with Mr. sherman at
Gen. Butlcr-I will como to that by and by.
j. there ono word In all these guarantees that
has not pnsiiiv" requirement in tn" tonsitu-
ton Of the United States or OF the Constitution
~ Louisiana. as they stood ON the day they
i" And the party platform"
But your platform was not in opposition 10
The Constitution -
No, SIR.
well. you agreed 10 do all that Won snid YOU
would To Mr.. Matthews ON behalf oi the Nichols
Government io strengthen his hands with his
Republican brethren or 70 carry out the Com
and the President Of the United States would
| turn OVER the State OF Louisiana from the li".
! publican hands into the hands of u Democratic
| GuNrrnors'
"Gcneral there was no turning over there
was, no possession hy the Republican party.
~ " ell. turning over what little there WIS ~
| There WAS no turning over: there WIS to lie
simp!y,a Withdrawal Of the troops
| Well. don let gentlemen ~ our intelligence
| diSintegrHtiug. the LETTING down Easy any
Of ne y, words That you sum-. .c tn'y used
| lcan Government nj thni time
on any way IN eci IN Hayes and get Packard
| oui-that Is the point. Was thus all YOU offered.
the state ?"
| OF the NICHOLS Govcrnment We had nothin..
| To- do vi d Hayes.
Gen. Butler with great cmphas~l-Di you
| not agree io one thing more Tint in addition to
| putting yourself ON pnpcr you would n"i "n-
! pose. you ana yournsSociatcs would not oppose.
| The counting IN ~ llayrst
| MAJOR Burke did not answer directly and the
| General repeated ms question With oven NOR.
TT sann ,n,oI AZ Ear 2ddG A9.wFW q, n
| csre In the Withdrawing of oppos .ton % Hayes
! after the Democratic party had adopted "a rls,o-
| !ntion To- Ley the count ~ On without dIlatory
| opposition'
Gen. Butler said Il did not ask Won when at
| how. assume that IT WIS don't" "a their very
| best and most Intelligent manner.
Did YOU not ngr"". 81 the same time, IN som'
WAY To- cNerei>" your ability and that of your as
soriatos TO have tho Democratic party ceaS'
their opposition To- the counting in Of Hayes as
We did u.s. our Efforts 10 this cxtent---r
| do not ask now much. continued Gen.
Butler. Did YOU agree IN some way. and tc
such extent as should make 1t most "fectual.I j.
Yourself 50 far as you could control IT, io pre.
| vent the opposition 10 the count ug In 81 Hayes
~ part 81 this agreement; Upon your oath
Alter a little .prcvariration. 5is,or Burke an
sweryd: We did assure these p"Vl" that ",
| would rs" our endeaVors. 80 far ~ they could
Ing in Of Hayes
anu ilNf' NNl'rl men anu Eiiol 'lNia''l~s NNN
carried ont your agreement
We ild that rs soon ~ "" got advice from
President Grant TINT ~ soon rs thg count wa-
completed the troops would 10" Withdrawn from
our State. and "" would come in possession col
the State Government
Now. then. sir. the next thing that happened
after you submitted these points-whom did
you see upon this -uhlect2"
We did not come 10 any agreement at thu
time Ii wis the result of a conN"rsation-m
simply placing this statement in Matthew'S
bands 70 use as Reppolicans for our a'iyaniase
| State the conversation
" Substantially. II was this: l said to Mr.
assurances and those OF others Of Hayes +,
friends. aware Of Hayes intentions towar,
Louisiana yet We believed that Hayes would b,
unable Ia carry ont such policy # he was or
| posed 10y the strong leaders Of the Republican
party. and that we feared more the strong Re
publican leaders, like sherman. Garfield, Nor
Ton, and others thnn We did Hayes. M"f"t tina
II Mr. Hayes was inclined To carry ont such I
Of the opposition by his party THEREFOR thu
the guarantees and assurances that We require
should come from the party leaders who won,
be- enabled 20 hold M Hayes hands IN carry
ing ont such policy; that with his party unitrt
against him. his Cabinet could not be formed
and without that Cabinet II WIS impossible I,
carry out that policy, Matthews said that he
could not speak for these people: and W. th"i
told him that we would place them IN position
whore they could speak for themselves That l'
could say To- h l. party associates that "" -houl,
seek 10 put their party in peril, meaning t
Ieoparizc their Pres idental caudidHte.'
Con. Buter-To prevent the countf
Yes. sir. and prevent the count. 1t wa
quite question at that time. With that view
We should advise our friends 10 Join IN" iilihus
ters n order To swelling their numbers 10 sun
proportions rs would force the ll"puhlirun lend
rrs To ngree 10 yield up Louisiana ana Soutl
Carolina"
Was il not said 10y YOU and Mr.. Matthews. n
that conversation, that. in view Of tho difficult
that Hayes had in carrying ont this policy ol
account of Cabinet II would b" best Il
make the strongest possible attempt on Gran
| before Hayes came Ia 2;
" That suggestion was made by him to mo ol
| the 2Gfh Of February
Whom did You SEE before the 18th Of Fobru
AIRY ~ strong party men If the Republican side
| except Senator Matthews. before you wrote M
these guarantees Of me memorandum -
60 met senator Cameron. II was not com
municated, except that general n-suranc"
We're given in conversation with different pur
ties. The substanr" WAS conveyed To dl1crrn
| Republicans. ! rrrpllr't nm interview with Mr.
Cameron in which | went ov"r substantial
the same ground and Indicated the determine
tion of the Nichols Government
At this point the witness expressed n dccide'
dHpprohttlpn tu giving til" details of his con
versation with Mr.. Cameron. lie said that TN
conversation was ~ such "A character ana undo
such circumstances that he felt a dch'acy HhUu
repeating il; that II was generally of conidrn
tihl character; that any reference Ia thr matte
had been pressed from him. Cen Batter s'l'
tlat he had volunteered 10 take the blame uIO