The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1878-08-22

A.. "sub;tantially., do not know That we told
them what We had agreed to- We told them that
we withdrew opposition, and that the earlier
the count was completed. the earlier our re-
demption would take place Our object then
was to secure the withdrawal OF the troops be-
fore the An Of March, q possible.
Gen. Butlcr called Major Burkc's attention TO
his despatch Of Fob u. 1877 in which he said.
The present arrangom.ni brought about 10
defeat the count. or suvr Louisiana and South
day and asked " If this agreement Ind not
been made to give up Louisiana aud South Car
olina; the count you think would have gone IN
81 believe the count would have boon COM
plctcd II this agreement had not been made.
from the fact that many members " Congress
who Joined the nlibusicrs. did 50 upon the rem
Presentations madc to them 10y tho Keprc-cn-
iativcs Of Louisiana, that they would
and guarantees for us To save our
state Government Many OF them frankly told
us that they dd not dare 10 assume The ro-pon-
them exhibited letters and telegram from con
stitucnis opposing the comtinuancc " the lila
tory acton on the nart oi the House. fearing
that failure To- complete the count 10y the ith
OF March would result in plunging the country
into commoton. When the closing days cAmc
many became restless and | be- 'ame satisfied.
as tclcgInphcd 10 Gov. Nichols ~ that timc.
tnh mo nlipustrr noVrment would nave lnllci.
even If we had not arrcdcd to the understand
ing that had been arrived at"
-, You did not tell that 10 the statesmen Mt
" We did not. sir"
" You left them to understand that Hayes was
COnp unless THIS agreement was made ~
We tried to create thut impression upon
Then there was n lite blum gamc?"
" II was u blum game"
our friends The Secretary Of the Treasury
Garfield. and Matthews go buncd into an
agreement. and IL they had only kept thotr
| fingers ont tho count would have gone ON in
| your Judgmtnty
Mr. lIiscock-You have discussed this as II il
| were Misunderstanding arrangement. all on one
| side.
Gen. Butler said that It was So far as the writ
| lngs wcr" concerned. and continued by having
| his question repeated.
Major Burke rcplicdh by quoting his despatch
| Of February 2S To- Gov. Nichols which dos
| patch said that the ilibustcr strength was spas
modic that the movement wis organized IN
| dopcndent OF original opponents Of the count
| hw that the substance OF safety Tor LOUISIANA
| WIS secured.
| Gen Butter called attention 10 the lespatchc-
| sent 10 GOV. Nichols hy MAJOR Burke on Icbru-
| airy II. In which MAJOR Burke said: " There *
no reason To believe that Packard Will hr og
niled unless We are deceived toy high authurity."
| and asked: " Who wis the high authority that
answered YOU on February ~ that all matters
| would be- satisfactorily adjusted And who wus
| the nigh authority referred 10 when yOu cay
| uni - We are d"ccVcdf'
| Stanley Matthews"
! Who gave the assurance that tho Cabinet lie
cido,l not To ,rerogni1' Packard Yesterday =
Then Mnithrws. a Republican candidate, FOR
| Senator OF OHIO WAS disclosing t. You n Louis
ian2 agenithe milorot Gen.oranis 5 'aeinet
| Who were the Republican friends who re-
duestcd that Nichols should have meetings Of
co.lo,red men to support hun t,r.
| think u WIS Stanley Matthews and Foster.
Gen. Butler called the attention of the with -
! to t,ic despatch Of Bishop Wilmer from Column
away from his Hook and went up To Was hing
| ton about politics. MAJOR Burke replied thai
| blennp winner went p r'pt'h'ul tlr -luutloh
of things IN Louisiana To Gen. Grant. AMI then
| went cut To Columbus To- soc Mr. HAYES o. point
out 60 him that the recognition 81 iArNari
| would result IN strife. Tho Il, -patrh which
| Bishop Wilmer sent from Columbus said.
Peace not to be disturbed tn Louisiana
| MAJOR Burke said that he understood 10y that
| expression that Bishop Wilmer had learned
| from Mr.. HAYES that there would not be- an A.
| icmpt to establish the Packard Goy'rnment in
| Louisiana. and he tram lNIU"d that luiurmatluu
10 GOV. Nichols. Cen Butler asked how Go,
Nichols wis To- know from the m"rccNpr'.~ gn
that meant that tn" Packard Government Wns
not To he established. MAJOR Burke replied that
euitdtipn with tue Bishop b"i9r" is departure
from Louisiana. lie Thought there was n.
doubt ABOUT the UNDERSTANDING that he had
Gen. Butler asked whether there was any dis.
cussion in the Wormley conference over the
| provision that III" Nichols Government dl ! moi
guarantee immunity from crime. Major
Burke replied that lie did not recollcct tn
reference, 10 the " immunity from crime at IN,
Wormley confrrencc, iut He lid recollect il al
,nitt,,, room ON the ,ani, ,lny Major Burke.
attention WIS then called 10 his dispatches o
| Fol. u. N which h. said that "" had had
conference with the President VINO promised e
| finished and Gen. Butler asked. ID
Matthews inform YOU that he obtained an orlr
| from the President. or obtained promise non
| the President 10 ISSUE that order e.
Heinlormed me that he had hal an inter
view with the President To- which this reier-
Stanley Matthews went 20 SOC the fr"sidcn
upon the understanding that had ho'n arrvc'
at in tho tinanc" COmmitt"e room beIS""i
sherman. Matthews, Dennison and MaIo
| Burke
In reply to inquiries as to who promised tha
the State Of LOui-iana should b" given over %
elected MAJOR Burke said b" gnt that informa
ton. before he left New Orleans from GOV
Nichols. Mr. Hiscock ohicfed 20 this line %
inquiry as beyond the province - the Commit
tee. and Gen. Butler replied. in words tina
sounded ike a conflict am going throusl
this case like n hreaking-up plough. and wll
lind out ever ything that know how
MAJOR Burke replied that Information hat tw
senators would be- cxacted from Iousian wa
impaired 20 him by Coy. Nichols. who ha'
from louisiana nj Washington Neither GOV
Nchoiis nor himself desired 10 conceal any
thing. In reply to inquiries why the Matthews
Foster letter was made publ g'vlns the
ward Louisiana, MAJOR Burke said h" though
It was published because those gentlemen wcr
becoming uneasy and dissatisfied with tie q"
lay in removing the troops and published tia
letter 10 hurry M tn" matter
Gen. Butler next called attention To Tho r.
port 81 an interview with the witness puhIi-h"
Nv Mr. Smith In the New orr MS TIMES "a
March Z, and the suh,ec, Of MAJOR Burke'- inter
view with presidcnt Hayes AZ the Residence" Oh
John sherman. lie said he had no knowlrdg
that President Hayes had been sworn IN 81
that day Gen. Butler remarked that Hay"
was sworn IN 10y Justice ~ the Pace or some
body. Major Burke said thnt ms he WIS aho'
To- depart for NV Orleans he requested an in
tntyirw with Mr. Hayes, which WIS grautc,
The situation Of affairs in Louisiana WAS q s.
russrd. Tine interview WAS quito short on'
There WIS "a large number If persons ln a.
room. Hayes know who witness was and vita
had been his business in Washington. liz "N
planned To Hayes Whut the Louisiana lcople eA
. pcctrd of his admin lstriltiun.
Gen. Butcr-l wish you would tell me whi
was said there. No psalms were sungf
, " NJ psalms were sung. some prayers w"r
said. but tho circumstances OF the caSe nud SUI
d rOuudinEs were such that there 'Ould h' mo- AT
! tempt at a special confidential in'rr recourse
You told him what you expected. -uppos
what had been guaranteed 10y his friends f
We spoke of the assurances Us To- his ruurS
toward Louisiana and his replies were simpi
in u general way. Nothing specific tran, p re-
AT that interview further than general Hssul
= ance that his policy would be- coucllatory an
that he required time TO remove tlilir ultlcs AN
| prepare the way in some Intelligent, carr es
and proper direction. 4 despatch giving th
| substance Of this interview was prepared an
| forwarded to New Orleans
What did ho ask YOU 10 prepare the wa
form h.. .,.,.. -, v,o,.u.,. c....
mcnt and withdrawal OF the troops
Prepare the way for his action Then h