New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1878-08-22

Q-But this is still side. Where are the guar
anees which tue Republicans gave yOui A-Mr Ell's
and Mr.. Levy were consulted at every step. Before
these kilograms were sent they were submitted to
them, and the replies when received were shown TO
them.
extraordinarily But where are the documents
showing any pledge the part Of the other side for
which you sv pped of Tildenl A,-You place me In
wronc position, Generals we never swopped OIL Tiden
TO- anyone.
Q-Wel swopped of anyone for Mr.. Hayes. Where
are the gu lrautees from the other side; have seen
none except nom your sidei A.-YOu never Will see
any there were except those that have been
stated.
Q.-Ohl don't care about what has been stated 1
want TO know what they werel
Mr. HisoockI insist upon it that the witness ia right
notwithstanding the badgerng Of the counsel He has
answered the question fairly.
The Chairman explained that the report OF that part
Of the testimony given at NewOreans, TO which the
witness referred as containing the documents, had
reached the committee only that morning. and probably
had not been read by General Butler.
The witness referred to the report aud named the
documents which he had alluded The telegramsto
and from Governor Nichols delivered by me to
kr sherman, personally, at Wormleys Hotel. went
there to deliver them to Judge Matthews and met Mr.
Sherman at the head the stairs ana gave them to him
That's all there is Of It,"
MI. Hiscock-NOw. Mr. Chairman, the witness says
That's all these is oft" Is there anything more to be
asked We have been travelling In circle for more
than an hour. submit that this ought be stopped
Witness-n any Inconsistencies be pointed out in
my answers, shall be glad to explain them.
The stenOgrapher read few Of the latest questions
and answers The witness said; "Those documents
mentioned are the only papers to which referred as
written guarantees never stated that had received
any written guarantees at Wormley's Hotel, nor any
from Sherman or Matthews at any time"
General Butler-NOw where is that writing that was
taken at wormley's Hotel, which designed TO en-
brace the whole matter A.-Ihe only Writings that /
know of were those that have been named. No writing
was exchanged that night, nor was any memorandum
made that know Of never met these gentlemen to-
gether again. Imet Mr. Foster afterwards at bis ROOM
with only his secretary present; writing was ex-
changed then, at any other time; If there had been
should remember it, The only results OF the WOrmley
conference the distinct statements made by the
gentlemen present. if anything then committed 60
writing or then read, know nothing of It. never
saw such paper anywhere. 1 have seen no papers
other than those have testified to here in your presence
Q.-What did you have TO take home with you TO show
the result of your mission Al had the word OF the
President Of the United States and the assurances OF
Q-Don't play with me. ask about papers You
didn't take words home with you TO show. You can't
crawl ont Of that OOphole. Al am not looking for
oophOe have nothing to crawl out OF. have been
trying for hour aud half TO find out what you want
had tho letters from John Young Brown from Stanley
Matthews and Mr. Foster to john Young Brown. copy
of our guarantee my letter to Stanley Matthews and
Stanley Matthew's letter 10 Mr.. Ellis.
O-DO you know II. l.. Smith Ayes. met him
on the cars OH my return but papers
were exhibited to him by me- nor did tell him that
had a written guarantee His reported interview. pub
4shed the morning, full OF inaccuracies and
was declared in subsequent issues Of the paper lde
cline to state what tins report according to my
recollection lit said that / told smith that had
fap NJ lew
a falsehoOd.
General Butler insisted upon direct answer as 10
whether such statement contained in the published
"interyiew" The question repeated many times
and in various forms. The witness replied shall
not attempt to crawl ont Of any thing shall permit
you nor any else to put words in my mouth. fyou
want the statement you must produce 1t or Mr. Smith
The witness appealed to the Chairman and declined 70
make any further than that he bad never made
such statement TO Smith nor 10 any one else. lmay
have stated that had assurances, either to him 10
any other newspaper man.
General Butler read from The NerOTieans PeaVne OF
March IS and IA, 1877; assertions that the Louisiana
Democrats had in their possession written pledges from
President Hayes and his friends.
The Wi'ness-I do not remember having seen those
articles denied any misstatements which ap-
peared in the public press made full statement TO
tue public February 81 and the people Of Louisiana
have not been deceived by my subsequent silence. My
course toward thb people Oh LDuleihnd
citation Of the manner in which fulfilled the trust
mtted to me by them is best shown by the fact that
WITHIN the last few days they have nominated for the
highest Office their gift in the present campaign State
TreasureT.
General Butler-Oh but they hadn't heard you swear
that you had received written guarantee. A.
They had seen my statement The agreement on our
side to stop Administering important part of the
results Of tine Wormey conference.
The report Of the conference agreement as given to
the Associated Press by Major Burke was read by Gen
eral Butler, who then asked: Now, why was not the
agreement 10 stop Alibuserng given the pubc1 Tho
witness replied that he had not intended to give fun
report nor had said that he bad done The ques
tion was repeated again and again, when Mr. HscOek
objected.
GENERAL BUFFERS LANGUAGE RESENTED.
General Butler risng to his fee0We testing tho
truthfulness Of the witness.
Mr.. HIscock-0h, You are not questioning that
General Butler-Yes am testing that
Mr.. HiscOck-QuestoniDg, said
General Butler Striking the table with his fish, do
question IFS trutbuness, and determined to test IT,
The Witness wheeling around in his chair and glarng
at his persecutogl-In what particular
The chairman asked the stenographer TO read the
question: which having been done, he said; You may
answer that question: MAJOR Burke
The winess-I answer no more questions until that
assertion is retraced.
The Witness-Then tn protect myself.
Mr.. Hiscock demanded protection for the witness
continually over tine same ground without reaching any
point.
Mr. POtter-A large latitude is allowed in these
nations.
Sir. Hscock-when witness has testified on one sub
feet for half hour have the right to Object, and
shall notwithstanding the manifest objection mat the
distinguished General has. have the right 10 know
what the object this examination for two hours is;
whether because lie dsbeleVes tho Witness or is
testing his memory.
Mr. POtieI-He was testing his recollection.
Mr. HscOck-IhCu have the right 10 know II.
General Buter-It the gentleman has finished his
MARKS
Mr. HiscOck-The gentleman will finish his remarks
when he plGuses.
ness had stated aud again, and had put IL
aud over again. so that there could be no mistake