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mind that be was about to make money prop
osition?
A. cannot say that I was certain of it. but
had strong suspicion there was something of

mind that be was about to make money prop
osition?
A. Icannot say that I was certain of it. but
had strong suspicion there was something of
the kind on hand.
@. Go on and give us exactly the first SEN
tence in which he broached to you this money
proposition?
A. l do not know that can do it in exactly
the same words. but can give it to you in
substance. After showing that he felt very
awkward about broaching the matter. and af-
ter various apologize remarks and explana-
| tions he came at it in about these words:
Now, judge, what I want to know il this,
would you be willing to accept a round sum.
| say $4,000 or $4,000, and refuse to accept
| your certificate of election as elector!" That
was very nearly the precise manner in which
| he first presented the proposition in tangible
shape.
| O. What reply did you make toit3
A.. do not think made any immediate re-
ply, but talked to him in way to show that
MAS considering the matter. My intention
| was from the first
| McMahon intcrrup ting-I would rather that
you would give us the words used by you as
nearly as you can than any inference as to their
purport.
The witness-I suggested to him after reflect
ing little, and after some hem ming and haw-
| ing that that was small consideration for SO
| big thing. / reminded him that man did
I
the United States By his single vote or to de-
/ feat one. That it was very big thing and
that 1T would be worth larger amount than
thirty or forty thousand dollars. 1t a
mere bagatelle for thing of that sort. That
| is the style and manner of conversation on my
part only said enough to keep him talking.
Of course, once in while Asher would have
nothing to say and would seem to come to a
pause, and then, to assist him and help him
along and keep him going. I threw in an en-
| l.: ,oIs %lnA
his proposition would be likely to receive favor
able consideration.
@. In about what language did you give
that encouraging word?
A. just what have been saying, that that
/ was small consideration, not near enough for
so big thing as this was.
Q. Did you do that more than once?
A. presume SO. presume that the same
| thing was repeated
@. What answer would Asher make TO that?
A. He conceded the fact that that was not
enough. l told him it was not enough. told
| him thought it was just easy to make
100000 or 100000 out of it as it was to take
| less. My object from the first was to develop
/ the thing fully possible and to find out
who were concerned in it, where the money
was to come from and everything in regard to
+. it. and whether it was really intended as gen.
| uine proposition to bride me.
McMahon-We want the questions which you
put to him by way of encouragement.
| The Chairman-And the answer that he gave.
McMahon-lf you had that object you must
have used some conversation to carry out that
| object, and we want that conversation.
The witness-I have given you part of it. I
have stated to you here the proposition in as
nearly his own words as can recollect.
state to you now the reply made
to him in the first pare. 1t is
likely that that substantially repeated
two or three times over in course of our
W. o6 ahrn al
an hour from first to last, and
the conclusion of it was this. What occurred
in the meantime do not know that can repeat,
but the conclusion was this, which l remember
very well said I, tell your man, that is to say,
your hacker whoever it is, your man who has
| the money, the man who is putting you for
ward, that is what meant and that is what he
understood, for knew that he had no money,
and he knew that knew that, tell your man
that Levisse is willing to listen to a proposition
of this sort. but you have not got up to his
price yet That was about what told him on
parting.
@. Have you told us all that you told to him
in this half hours walk?
A. l do not pretend that have told you
that.
other matters.
The Witness-It is ditficnlt to recall whole
conversation of that kind after SO long time.
If you can suggest any point l will tell you
about it very quickly. There was the begin
ming and the end. There was nothing else to
talk about that remember now. No other
circumstances t,ut one, and the conversation
lasted probably thirty minutes in all. Ii you
can suggest to me any point about which you
wish to inquire will answer very freely and
tell you all that remember.
McMahon-I was not there and am trying
to find out what said from gentleman
who there.
Witness-Yes was there, Qaughtcr) and
heard it, and will very freely tell you all
can recall but after long a time, nearly Il
year and half ago, l cannot recall every
thing.
McMahon-But you testified before the Sen
ute committee Immediately afterwards.
Witness-1 never read my testimony bu
once since
McMahon-But it must have been impres Sc;
on your mind.
Witness-Yes, it was impressed on my mind
McMahon-Give us some Of the impression
on your mind now.
Witness-l declare that have given you al
that tan recall. This was the proposition
and said to him that was too trifing a con
sideration for SO big thing. We kept walking
along, and he made some reply to that. can
not say now. Perhaps he said that he though
that greater amount could be raised. My in
tention was, when l said s2OUOOO
to put the figure clearly out o.
his reach so that could have a good ground t,
talk Win MIN ana pane MIN Without coming
to any agreement. did not MT him to say
here is your 500. 00U. l am ready to pay the
amount that you suggest, then l would have
been in corner myself
@. Why2
A. Because would have indicated to hin
that was willing TO take $20O,OUO.
@. But why would You lie in corner?
A. Because would have accepted his pro
position, although in qualified sense
McMahon-l understood you to say that 20.
put it at S2OO,U0O, SO as to get the amount ou
of his reach.
Witness-That is precisely what did. dix
not want him to be able to say that he wa
ready to pay the amount indicated, for then
what reason would have FOR saving to hin
that would not take it after indicating that
intended to do it. simply wanted to leav
the impression ON his mind that l would TAX
that sum.
@. understood you to say that he opene,
right away with the proposition that you wer
not to accept the certificate in consideration O
say forty or fifty thousand dollars?
; A. Yes.
@. Did you make up your mind right ava
as soon as he made the proposition that yo
he might accept?
A. Yes.
: @. And you say that you put the price n
right away, for fear that he might accept?
A. never intended to accept any price.
BAD BANNoCKs.