The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1878-08-21

siter the LouhlnnA vote had been acted upon, ana
then Louisiana affairs; witness mao re-
framed from talking m acn about local Louisiana az
fairs before the electoral vote by that STATE on tne
Presidential matter had settled when that vote
hao been acted upon, on February 10, the witness
ready to consult on those matters mesuns
Judge Matthews door the Electoral comm,s.
SION room the witness told MIN that he thought
IL was time TO bold consultation Oh the ioca "nas
witness asked when. and Matthew'S SAID tina. evening
at eight O'Clock, in wormleys Hotei; w'.ness neps
10 give: Witnsss had memor andum OF that CONVEX
saton, which he had submitted 10 Iene,a ~Sson
member OF Congress from LOUISIANA ont ne ala MOI
General Butler said ne would pass over snat matter
49,. wwnsss At tho request OF General Butler, said
that he would bring all his memoranda referring 10
the subject Of the witness ~ Fsbrusry
Here tho witness proceeded 10 road lot o. mems-
randa conversations and agreemsnss Win senator
Mathews, all OF which nave osen areaa' Pu' ~ W.
u' M HscosK objected and said it was only waste OF
ms Bsrxe said nad requested his friends
select for m asylum case OF need, should
MT burke next read tho agreement with the
Nichols government Tor Tho protection OF the colorea
| man already put in evidence IL had been chargod
NV Judge Matthews others that the colored people
had not properly protected, and his agreement
matthews with has republican friends twas gwen
Also as an that better government would
be established under Nichols than had been 10 power
for some years before The agreement was gwen
after a two hours conference. General Butter
the purpose OF ascertainng what Judge Matthews
wanted in exchange for the State government, and,
after hesitation, he answered that It was partly
W. coLoREp POLITICAL AND CIVIL RIGHTS.
The first article OF The agreement was that the
Nichols government would give TO the coored peo-
pie all political and civil rights
Q Had there been any attempt to deprive the col
| joyed by other men? A. Not 70 my knowledge.
'.rhsn there no cause for promising that there
would BE- attempt 70 deprive them Of such righ'sy
said the General.
the .Just DEMONSTRATION Of the law" was the next
| point. isDid you think that some considerations"
! asked the General SIT was somewhat Of consid-
Grafton when you consider that for some years past
| there had been nistration OF the laws" an
swercd the witness, Sharply
"Judge Matthews wanted to get assurances with
which he could argue with his fellow republicans, SO
you told him you wouldn't behave as bad as the re-
| publicans did, continued General Butler "No, you
wsn, 70 Know wnas You we're paying wasn't
| there II l had been II wouidn't have occurred
nns GU. what Matthew'S wanted Of the Nichols gov
| ernmentf" A. Ny object was 10 find out wnat tho
| hayes administration intended 10 90 toward our
o. Alter that conference you made memorandum
OF the psin.s Tor his satisiaciionf A. That under
O. Now then. he got for his satisfaction that you
would not deprive the negroes OF their rights ana
thus violate The constitution Of United States and
that you would have better government than tho
republicans Third the education OF children, BLACK
and white, with equal justice. What was meant by
that guaranteed A. There was nothing expressed
upon that point.
u.
ton. Your State law gave Them that A. Yes SIR
O. rncn you only agreed TO obey the law, that The
whites and blacks were to be unmolosted for their
pstca opin IONS? Then you only agreed That you
would do all you could iarly to promote the demo-
Tbe witness objected General Buffers questions
whereupon the latter sad:-.Pardon me, am
simply trying to find out what the republican party
received for handing over one OF the States to
the democratic party"
more THAI you had been doug fair election eoring
machinery TO get the blacks to vote Tor your A.
Nothing more; tnat was In the party's platform. -,
| platform Did that impress Mr.. Matthew's az very
valuable consideration Tor the republican party
A. We did discuss platforms There was to be no
| PUNISHMENT Tor political conduct except such as
made The perpetrators liable under the criminal laws
o. Was anything said about the Returning Board
between you and Matthews! A. No, str; nothing.
| O. Now, SIR Is there one word IN these guarantees
| thai is not compulsory and embodied IN the laws
| OF the United States and tho State of louisiana
o. Then all that you gave to mr. Matthews for
striking his hand with the republican brotherhood IN
argument was promise to carry out the constitution
ana the laws II he associates should
the State Louisiana IRON The republican govern
ment into the nands OF tho democratic government
! A. General there turning over; II was not In
posse ssion Of the republicans
| TO COUNT IN HAYES.
| O. Well, this turning over what little there was.
this letting easy, any OF the words you peace
| any way 10 get in Hayes and put Packard out-was
and Packard pui out OF tho state? A. Tha. is what
was offered to secure tho establishment OF the Mich
oils government; we had nothing TO do with putting
O. Did you not pledge yourselves to offer further
ppo.ou 10 the counting ~ Q, haye mhon v" ,ea ana
tnat republican party we're determined TO 60 On
with the count 49,
YOU ana your party friends agree stop opposition
10 the counting In OF Mr. Hayesp A. We did use our
O. Pardon me, DIDN'T ask you that. Did you agree
to some way ana some extent 10 use the influence
Of your party friends and yourself TAR you con.
troed IL 10 prevent the opposition to the conating IN
OF Hayes, Ms part OF this agreements can't be
thrown oil the track. You are your OATH Is II not
The GensraI delivered this question with q rising
Infection mis- voice growing louder with overy WORD,
until ne t.riy roared last part OF the inter
rogaory. deep silence succeeded the question, and
ali IN the room were evidently greatly interested In
the answer Major Burke paossd for some time, as
II 10 collect HIS thoughts and then said:--'I shat
state the truth simply wan"u. apy prsvar,ca, , Me
u could 30 to remove the opposition 10
the final counting IN OF hayes"
| Chairman Potler--Tne opposition to the completion
OF the electoral COUNT a. The opposition TO the
completion OF the electoral count
med out your bArssinS lLaughter.) A. We were rs
sursd by President Grant that alter the count wal
result Of q conversation With Matthews the 18th
February; 1 said TO Mr. Matthews that while we were
OF Mr. aayes' trends made as to Mr Hayes policy 10
ward Louisiana yet We felt that he would be able tc
carry out such policy II he was opposed by the
strong leaders OF party-lnat feared
more the strong repuoiican leaders ike sher
aa Mr.. Hayes; We fell Ina, II Mr Hayes was Inclined
to carry oat q policy he would be unable to dt
10 lace OF opposition; therefore We asked tna
guarantees should come from the party leaders; la
said he could not for them, and sad, linen
we viii place your party 10 such position hat the,
must speak, l meant thereby that our peopI.
would Joia the nhuus,efing and prevent the S.atei
OF Louisiana and South Carolina beng counted fol
HayeA
q Did you have any conversation on this question
wiIn any one else A. Yes; with Mr.. Cameron, Jr.
/ feel u dslicacy about stating this; IT Was conl
dental conversation.
NOBODY sHorLp In scREESKp.
General Butler said that the witness should not b'
protected In making sn and 1esh OF the other
He did blame the people OF LOUISIANA Tor bayinI
their state out no thought those who sold the tat
SHOULD DO exposed, especially one was tue Sccrstar,
| OF War and others were members OF the nations
Legislature.
| The witness said that he would prefer TO have
utIe time Tor reIectioD, and WITH the consent OF th
chairman. would pass on Tor the present 10 unothe