Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1878-06-18
Senator Hereford consider that the results &C.
complished were of some value to the Demo

Senator Hereford consider that the results &C
com plished were of some value to tne Deno-
cratic party!
Senator Hereford-Not in that way
Senator Conkling inquired If the committee
knew Of any law under which the so-oalled
commission went out.
Senator Window replied that there were a
good many appropriations in the bill not ex-
pressly authorized by law.
Senator Conkling demanded the yeas and
nays on the amendment, and said he would
vote no. In Louisiana a condition of things
existed which, according to the constitution
and statutes passed in pursuance thereof, sum-
moned the President of the United States to
answer one question, and that is whether Pack
ard was or was not the legal governor OF that
commonwealth. He (Conkling) would not
stop now to argue whether the President couid
avail himself of tourists or visitors to answer
that question. This commission sent to Louis
ana was told to disregard the only question
which was addressed to the President 1t was
told to proceed upon other grounds ana IN
other ways. This so-called commission was
without warrant of law, and its doings were IN
violation of law. If anybody borrowed
from national bank, or any
other bank money to embark in this enterprise,
it was not the business of the Senate to insert
a provision in an appropriation Dill to 40 tna5
which would hereafter be claimed to legallze
it. He hoped the brevity with which he had
spoken would not lead any one to imply that
he questioned the undoubted right Of the Pres
ident to decide whether troops should be en-
pIoyed in Louisiana or not, but he did say to
the Senate that sending five tourists or visitors
to Louisiana and allowing them to remain
there to consummate that which they did,
was in his judgment not only behind the law,
but beside the law and in violation Of the law.
Senator Thurman referred to the condition
of affairs in Louisiana existing in the spring OF
1877, and said it was admitted on all hands
that there not quorum IN the PACKARD
legislature In point of fact, there was but
one legislature and but governor (Packard),
and his legislature protected by bayonets OF the
federal army. He denied that the President OF
the United States sat court Of last resort
to determine contested elections. He did not
agree with this idea, that when the people OF
State elected man governor the opposition
party could take an appeal to the President to
overturn the rightful government OF State.
1t was the duty of the President to find out
what government he was to recognize, 1t being
in the vacation Of Congress.
Senator Conkling inquired if the Senate was
under the five minute rule. The Senator from
Ohio was going on to discuss this question, and
if the five minute rule could be waived he
(Conkling) was willing that the Senator should
proceed.
Senator Mcmillan argued that the federal
troops took no part in the Louisiana difficulty.
They only preserved the peace. They abstalned
from taking sides of either Of the claimants,
but kept the mob quiet which threatened the
State House.
Senator Eustis denied that there was any
mob IN New Orleans to threaten Packard or his
Legislature. At no time there any inten-
ton on the part of Gov. Nichols to drive them
out of the building which they occupied, and
they might have remained there until to-day.
Senator Kellogg said he did not propose to
mix i'll this discussion as to whether there was
mob or not There point to which
he desired to call attention, and that was the
Packard legislature was the legal legislature OF
the State. 1t met as the constitution required.
He (Kellogg) happened to be governor at the
time. There legal quorum in the Pack
ard legislature, recognized by him. In the
lower house full quorum admitted to
have been elected on the face Of the returns.
In the Senate there was not quorum except
by certificates of the returning board, There
was not an officer in the State who did not
recognize him as governor, and the legislature
which he recognized was the constitutional one.
Senator Window said as this debate was to
extend through the afternoon he would with
draw his amendment. Several Senators OBJ
jected, and Senator Anthony in the chair ruled
that the amendment could not be withdrawn
except by unanimous consent
Senator Blaine said he did not think the
President had any right to send five men to
lawful legislature to recognize Nichols Us gov
ernor. He (Blaine) made use of the remark in
the Senate three days after Hayes was lnaugur-
ated to the effect that if the President was
elected, Packard was elected, and there was no
one to throw doubt on Gov. Packard's title ex
cept Hayes himself. There effort made by
the commiss ion to get Legislature to recog-
nize Packard. Now there was Il demand that
the men who threw into chaos the affairs OF
Louisiana, the men who were the authors ofall
the mischief enacted since, should be paid for
it. He, for one, would not vote for such an
amendment. Referring to the remarks Of Sem
ator Eustis he said the Governor of Louisiana
sat in his chair to-day on account of a mob,
having been placed there by mob. According
to the doctrine laid down by the Senator from
Ohio (Thurman) Abraham Lincoln could
not have taken his seat in 1861
because the whole city Of Washington
was against him. Winfield Scott stood in front
of the capital with a battery Of artillery to
keep down Democratic mob.
Senator Sargent said at this hour and at this
stage of the session the Senate could not afford
to discuss the Louisiana question. He there
fore moved to lay the amendment on the table,
but Withdrew his motion at the request of
Senator Beck, member Of the committee ON
appropriations, who read q letter from Secre-
citing presidents for it. Senator Beck then
argued that che President has the right to ex-
haust all peaceable means to settle the diff
tculties in Louisiana before resorting to mil
itary power. If the President believed it was
best to send those people there, if he believed
the good of the service required it, it was mean
in Congress to say it would not paw their ex-
penses when they went in good faith.
Senator Sargent then renewed his motion to
lay the amendment on the table, and it was
agreed to, yeas 49, nays %, as follows:
YEAS.