The New York herald., 1878-08-18
THE TWO BIG JIMs.


PRoor OF COMPLETELY IN THE STONE ROBBERY
STILL LACKING a-rAIXrED EvIDENcE-AN Ex-
BURGLAR TEsrIFIEs AGAINST HIS COMRADES.
Owing TO the pressure OF routine business the ex-
animation In the ol ''Big Frank Mccoy was do
ferrcd till aficr three O'Clock r. NJ yesterday Messrs
Hail and schwab who had been hand to dsfend the
prisoner, solicited IN adjoarsment TIL Monday This
they did On the os,ensibe plea OF engagements but
doubtless under the belief that by the time 0.
their clients next appearance "Big Jim" and his
associate Billy Hart would be thoroughly ideniihsd
with the Stone robbery In justice 40 Mccoy, Judge
Murray aceeded request Of hts counsel and set
down his examination for Monday next At twelve
O'CLOCK. Mr.. OaKey Hsli then expressed his con-
yiction thai evidence which would totally ex-
ouerato Mccoy would then DO forthcoming and
glanced meanngy at the two prisoners before the bar
as he Withdrew. These were .-Big JIM Watson or
Parker aud .'Baiy Hart" Their examination mad
been arranged for yesterday aud their were
there, with corps Of Witnesses, while scattered
through tho audience several people whom they
had summoned In their defence. and whose testimony
they telt confident would tighten tho burden Of tho
evidence against them. Asto the stone robbery they
seemed uucoucerned, but the charges made By Mr.
Palmer touching the burglary and the disuppsarancs
Of his jewel box seemed TO possess interest for
them which they made no prstence at concealipg.
Choricy Serrene's appearance IN the case US their
seemed 10 have awakened unsasiness In ihsir
minds regarding him, and there was quite a
hostile intensity In the glancss they as times
conferred him. Counsellor Stiner, who appeared
for the prisoners. submitted few questIsns 70 Mr.
William C. Palmer, which that gentleman readily
answered. and then he proceeded examiEs The chief
wttnsss-Charlsy Serrens himself The latter had
evidently sc5oosd himself In his new character. Hs
ceo, sct-possesssd, dsliborasing When qucs-
toned hs thought before he answered, and he some
times spent minutes IN framing his replies.
a BURGLARs EVIDENCE
In response to the aueriss put hun no sa,d:-I re-
s"eps three Or TOUR weeks am married eo. At pres
cnt am unaware OF The whsresbouB OF my vile and
children have been xn0Mn unaes saersn' sn sur
generally used my Christian nsme Of Charles; was
COMMITTED tor bursary aud sen. to prison IN $50 or
three weeks, which were remitcd on account Of
good behavior.
Counsellor Stines, emphasizing ihe query 70 direct
the CsUrt's attention 10 H.
ii not" sa,d Serrene Then he proceeded to
answer:-"I was arrestsd but once outside OF the
umc was convicted. Was not arrested Tor larceny
in 1874 and brought 70 the romos
''Were you charged with breaking into the prem
ses No. 4o5 West Forsy-s'xth street rseensyf" This
emo from tho dcience
AIter some consideration Serene said, II was not"
"Do you know that gentleman 2" and Counsellor
Suner summoned 10 the stand John Maguah
III have seen him." said tho witness. But rcmem.
Der. you asked me II MAS charged with the burglary
OF h,s house That means . court was not ch arged
with ~ but was accused OF it Oy some OF the neigh
0Dd you not state to sohn Maguan that you would
him his properly II he would not have you ar
"No sad I would Try. might know who had It
and would see III could Set II back"
At this Maeuan looked aghast, ana dozen young
men In the audience smiicd percsptibiy.
TAXING ExcEPrIOxa
"That Is encugn,' - Counsellor Sttner. II
think w.ness.s useless There is 90 evidences against
Watson whatcver Against Hart there Is only the
statement Ola convicted feIon. Palmer only s,ys he
WAS told that the burglary would be committed. He
furnishes no evidence Touching the actual tscL Now
ho, AID aw supported ny All legal authorities, tIat
statement OF sentenced or cd for
n ielony should prevail in a criminal court pro-
vision 10 made In tho statute touching such ones re-
eo,yss ins pardon Of the Governor, but ths witness.
Your Honor has heard can not Avail himself Of that
pea.n
ior The qnaiinca,ion ef Witnesses many aiera-
tions have Dscn mnde aud he preferred looking INTO
tho Legality Of the point ral.ed rather than discharge
the prisoner legal hDicaiity. The case was
then adjourned iii Tuesday next ~ tweive ociscx,
when the Court's decision is looked Tor.
Al present Tho cempiIcity al big JIM and "Billy
Aart" In the Stone robbery rcmains unproven. No
whine Of II has ideulaea eiiner OF them. and Mary
asea assi' IN IN her impression .Sss Prank Mccoy Coy
WAS tho criminal new witness appeared
~h aeasy a. sS y No ii ogmss as .L's soo
lyp Tne new conner had besG passing through
Thirty street ut Tho tune Of the robbery ANA
caught casual glance of she tive offenders He after
ward told Mr.. Palmer tnst one oi shcm looked like
man wnom ne poinled Out, and who
to mat gentleman, resembied big jim"
under peculiarly favorable TO hts
recognising them VI they we're ne nea, but faIed 10
do So big Jim," he said, "did certainly resemble
the man ne saw standing ~ tue butcher cart, but
that ne believed u was" So no effort made
meet the two PRISONERS win tno Stone burglary.
In faci Charley S"rrenr, the inormer, wasthc most
Interesting pcrsoaagc In yesterdays proceedings,
not alone on account OF his put lie appcarance Inc
seoussr OF Watson aud Hsrt but on account OF MS
peculiar no,orieiy with OF his associates There
were lev OF them who appeared 10 court with whom
the HEKALD man had q ersalIon regarding
Charey's character
A GEx1LrMAx VINO KNOWS
One OF thsni loagbed Loudly whsn The subject OF
character WIS broacnod. WY" said he, that
fclIcrs been INFER all ktnus vi mcnnuess He's no
cracksmsn or knuck OF any account The papers are
dcad wrong In giving cut he's anything o. thai kind.
He's snids the I've seen him work reirtgerators.
Honor bright. gentlemen" he added 10 an 'nersdu-
lons looking erie around him; ''vc hlm get
ho1se, clean out the iecboxss and skip with
vetuals when there WASN'T nothing else to-eobbc."
2 sfruth about u is said another, ''ne's got .
A. shis moment Jehn Mngusn esme aiong and
Questioned about the burglary Of mis- house by the
HERALD man. He sao that hx mother had died
december, and serene, who was about The
was ,ehool ioncher. was sbou, the
mouse ana she was only tberc after three o'.Iock.
Que day he met ssrrsnc, whom hc told he was going
70 xssp an cpsagcmcut that afternoon the
by affecting ms company hoped 10 hear nim
betray himself. He wary, however, untii
ons nignt IN the presence oil witnesses Masuan
enusht him by the throat aad accused him. He then
house, and promised 10 return Inn tho pawn tickets
stolen property. This Is What NAG.
uan says about serene, and wEat no claims he Is
willing TO swear to when caiied upon.