The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1878-06-07

q sin keeping n III in tram. Of siil pursuing
the mntt'r. | did not want to buT him right
of or lo stop II right there.
o. un l,rst11d you that your whole object
flnd out whore the mln"y was coming from.
and who the hackers might bs2 A.-That is not
quite corrert That, wns not my ilra n accept
wanted TO 500 me for. ! wont tp 500 him ms nm
old, ar1uainiance. and because was requested
70 80 50. ! went TO see what his business was.
/ did not know what 1t was until got there, al
though had strong suspicion.
Q.-Dld you not 20 and s"o Marshal pitkin In
safe A.-Well my suspicion was 80 strong
that toyk that precaution IL. advance.
Odd you not 20. according TO your stato-
mcnts. to that interview with tho express pur-
pose after consultation with Marshal Ptkin. Of
money, was to como iromf ,A.-No. sir.
9T9g What rnr9ose Sc did y6S, y2a e to that
wantcl. to comply with his request that should
Q-What Difficulty would YOU have had in re-
comply with the conditions IN case Asher had
brougl THE money! to yopf Who're would have
have had any difficulty in refusing II.
Mr.. McMahqn-If you wanted to discover his
hackcrs, which you say was your prime object
say To MIN. bring me 10000 and It Is a bar
gain2" Allow would that reveal to me- who
ihc, hackers were, or who were attempting to
Mr. McNiahon-It would he iust as casy with
the iiO0QO as with tho t2OOOJO' A-Ho did
Mr.. McNlah9g-Bui you, said that YOU would
take t2goOQO A;-Bnt | had several inter-
Views with him nfter that first ono. which re-
ynaled n grcnt deal moro than you have got yet
By Mr. McMahon-wc arc now at tho arst in.
tervicw; we will get to the second aftcrwnrd
Why did you not close with Asher ut The FIST
and Say viz IS Il ypS pSy TR9n Ra monSy
em | % eot III" What dimcnliy would thcre
have been in your subsequently refusing 10 tako
tho mon.y nl,nr YOU discovered who his ha'kors
weret Al you Will tell ine how was 10 find
out VINO the pa"k GERS were alter tho money WIS
paid, you will tell mo something that's not plain
Mr.. M'Mahon-Then lot us 80 to the second
Tho Wiinoss1,whot do you want to know
al ut the second interview?
Mr.. McMahon-All that you know.
The Wncss-Thc second interview was ap-
| nrst Ii was nppuntn ~ h, M tho St Chnrl0s
| Hotel. the same evening. at 7 o'clock. | think
that was in the rotunia when Mr.. Asher rane
| in. As soonn ns he saw thnt | had discovered
We won't out Of doors TO the sidewalk,
and wy lSed two or llroe sGuarcS 'goihrr. and
| then | belicy" the first thing Mr. Asher snid
! about the matter In this interview tho s"cOndl
was That ne ll9d chansnd r. PROPOSITION.
asked what the change was He said
fnsSs ms''SG a od,oq 1 pTypocpS met re-
tion. his proposition would pc that should
| cast my vote directly for Tilden. | remarked
| That changed the, nroposition very materially;
refusal to accept a certificate Of election and
would have 90 think about it, He concurr'd
asking about tho, matter. said II is
scaEcey worth while to 60 any further uhles9
want to know whero it is and how we are to got
| it," for 1t was Ashcr's understanding
that he himself was 70 have considera
said no would go to tho hotel and see
AMI find out about the matter and meet mo
again at the hotel in half an hour; He accord
| ingly went of, | suppose to the hotel. and ro-
turned at tho appointed time. We went by q
| coffee shop, two or three squares from the hotel.
o that c@p %p we're Sd Ene aaa oar dS5 S5os
there. he recited To- me what transpired during
hS ntfysw % & man ct the s0 h8e6 8e sEea hm &
gave me tho namc of Waiter Pugh Then.
when I asked him further about the, money
without by QUESTIONING HIM, be- saii: " We
will 60 together TO the corner Of Carondelet and
Common streets. Wo will there SEQ two mon
standing talking together on tho street corner.
IN tho glimmer Of a lamp" THIS was what
ppeh sho had dlreGr'ed Asher tI To- DO 3Sae
"'wi1aY i1Y'Y bo 'nG% myself. % and ny viii Leave as
yoG approach by which y9SH will undsr, Ifo
Is left standing there IL the man You are look
Ing lor." Accordingly. We did 20 together TO
the designated place nt tho designated time,
and saw two men standing on the corner. and
went over toward them, and rs we approached
yet haif way across the street. The street being
narrow there. he withdrew so soon that could
him. That left standing there gentleman by
the namo Of Joe iernandGa. broker then in
reeosnized fae sIs me. and alter 1'0 sautstio9
he Invited us 10 his ofil,c. which was near by. |
Aver TO h% A91 Sd nI
Went home H,rpanisa rather insist
Is sa{ @ No! You Su donT peea mo; Mr.. Asher can
do all the necessary talking, and | left them
and went home. That ended the third inter-
view. | have given you two at once. without
gettnG permission to & 20 on to the rl ihlrd' FOL,
low. and | was satisfied that he was tho man
that had the money. If there was any
sn5 n l"i say se sSS MSrd {9% 20 mS Ra
would amoqurto anything by itself: nothing
whatever. ! have repeated. ! believe, about
everything that he did say after the ordinary
V.~Nsher did not know Hernandez A.-Not
Until that time; nut Hernandez and were ae'
Us Hernandez banker or broker. All
10 'Ql.g0biIidn''i iIid''i you ask Hcrnandez anything about
h GsG GsGTy 3P %9% w9a%} to A kaPT YhO the mar
Q.-You inlorrod from that that Hernandez
was the nlan A,-Yes, sir. sir..-.,.,
Q.-Pass to the next interview. ,A.-Thc mex
interyiew was the only other one that was held
That was the next morning about IL o'clock.
rQ,.What day OF the m9Gnih was that A.,
b %d qRy Ry s& TPH bS5r % xas S5
Asher at . O'clock nexl morning, believe, bp
instead Of meeting at nine. l intontonNlll
delayed and did not gct thcro bnior
, IL o'clock. Al eleven | wont 70 the City lIote
, and snw him aud he Immediately told me as h
had, in fact. said tho night before that he, di'
= not think that any more than 100000 could b
raised,
Gle had said that the might before A.
Yes. sir. After the interview NJ the hotel Still
) acted Hs IL | thought nothing short O
100000 would be any consideration. an
he now repeHted that and reqqeste
2 mo to see him at ~ O'Clock or 1880
I Should have seen Mr. Hernandez, Iie then wen
. | on saying that he wont to SEQ Hernandei
I and l suppose he did. and ho :, m.
i bon and Canal streets, whore we, ha
. a little chat | asked him what he had foun
r out from Hcrnanlcz. He said HcrnandH tol
r him that his information was that slOOOu
was tho most that could DO got a
o soon AS we recognized each other O.
o tho corner II hnl bren waiting for mir
d few minutesl We walked off down Bourb2
street; and. when he told me 200 OOJ was IA
- extcnt, told him did not believe il was wort
q while talking any longer about it that we Ia
brttor drop the matter And thero II end'i.
II On aupthcr point the witness was ask At II .
had not been suggested to him that he shoul
- get up u speech and ieliNer II in the Ll9'iurl