The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1878-08-14

board must be the ghtsst cargo We can get rio Or
General Bailsr--Did you tell him vhss you meant
by the cargo OF The least valres +.
Colonel Roberts-I gave him TO understand that We
felt must save the State government at all haz-
ards; Governor Hayes said that n he was not iairiy
elected 10 the olnce then nc wanted III the Governor
General Butler lsmilins,--we want al much or THIS
as We can get Here you were with him from half.
past one TIL seven the evening" and talking all the
time except, perhaps for the aissn minutes that you
QUESTION AID An ANSWER
Colonel Robers-we talked about all sorts OF hngss
vass ia QUO. Gc De asked me "Oi course, We difor
on abstract questions but tell why It'd the white
ns s
DO utterly impossible; would be like modest girl
sYia e: ..s e:
her own reputation. tLaughter.) Governor Hayes
SAID my letter q sse:es.ns. va s.. ~. l:s:r
In ellsecce Of the country should govern the coun-
Try" He then PAID some high compliments to the
southern people; SAID 'hsy were brave, generous and
General Butler QUESTIONED the witness in reference
ishsd in the HERALD, BY which Hayes expressed his
fears OF the treatment OF the colorcd people by the
ness sa.d that Governor Hayes mad aessd SsviSs
mado use Of the language as reported.
~ LAMAR on HAYES
81 reported my conversation overn0r HAYES
10 Mr.. Lamar" Colonel Roberts ooasinued, .'Aud !
told hun l thought Governor Hayes was . far and
bis hands II he became President Lamar saia chat
Hayes cold ~ ice and AS sharp as . razor La.
Governor Hayes nad these friendly intsntons for Il
loss inc Presidency We might still save Louisiana.
plan AZ all and that looked very squaly.
Lamar was afraid that mad msundersteod Goyernof
Hayes and doubted that ne would treat Inc South
fairly. Tair troat month said Lamar; shafts thing
we have never received from the republican party.
TO do that give far treatment, he would have
10 unload hts Owl party which puts him IN. I"
The wi,ness then narrated hts Conversation with
Foster, Evarts, Matthews and others. Ho told Fos-
ter that ne thought u was queer 70 keep All the
soldiers IN LOUISIANA and That yet not one negro
should be able to go to the polls and vote under the
guns 30 ff sf -H@ff+ =. ytH etI 10
Evarts told him, alter the Electoral Commission
had dcoided the FIRST case. that no thought II .
bitterly The inauxuraton OF Hayes, tor he (Exartsl
believed that Hayes would naugurate era OF
mas
should govern i:'' Colonel Roberts then alluded 70
Tue gathering OF troops IN WashiDgion which be
explained BY tie reports made by Services
officers 10 General Grant. that ,ne people were
told Of these reports By roster Matthews ana others
Watsrson had plan Of bringing loo, QUO armed
threatening reports were told TO she Southern men,
ana II was pointed out 10 them that It was OF no
ass ~ -: n
tho count.
q DID the opposition 70 the count mot csass be-
Carolina should have democratic State govsgnnsatf
A. l understood that $500.
trends st ~ u .ssbedy oo.s,as Of a.ys Sv.ssa
Natthews, Foster and Denisonf A. No. III. 80 49, ~
q. Aud the southern members VINO ceased their op.
position 10 the count did upon those assurancesf
A. Yes, and 10 avoid another war jcooselyl They
knew the conservative power Of . nitssn.,uch shell
with fuse in the process Of combustion. tLaashierl
@ Well, isn't this pretty much your IDEA Of bar
o And Of q bargain iulAlied? A. Yes; Of an agrees
ment carried out. Nothing under the heavens could
have prevented the count from being stepped except
o. Nothing under the heavens coulda A. No; We
BY the count In ordcr not TO lose everythingto
save, AZ least, what We C5uid. h&t ff'et
General batlcr now quesu0nea the witness 10 rsfet
ence an interview be had with senator Conkling.
CoNKLNG SPEAKS Nus MIND.
Colonel Roberts--I met senator Cenkling before
the organisation OF the Eieosorai .rsiI
me something about that Hayes business, ths Sena.
oept that Governor Hayes spoke very kssdly and
ieirly about the South and that Was very much pre-
e. 81 .s.d n
always bslieved man uaiess had fsasene Tor DIS
believing hlm said he 's rs Is BAD bust bus:
South fairly II became Presidsnt and If he wasn's
occasion Senator Conkling told sga,n that he waa
opposed TO any underhanded business In the matter;
verything should be open and nbove board, and u
Governor Hayes was not elected he should not bs
counted In.
The witness also taxed 10 Halo ana n orion ao0uo
tho matter. They both, no thought. knew what wa
Q Arc you on intimate terms nov with the Pfesi-
dentP A. No, not intimate; have always sees
him Whenever wanted 70 see MIN
q. Was thers decided change wAsay Geverpol
BE- new as. and sh.s snc sen,sstras,on woasd un-
load all the Grant men .as af I
Colonel Roberts ssia he understood he could have
not want to b sauAwchsa 10 bstwsea Aadsrson sud
Wells, and. iurthsrnors. hs knew that 10 became
which he did no. want = DO; he thougst was bet.
ter keep oolored ir ofoe the colersd peo.
pie looked upon II % belonging 10 them
''xvgPISG rHE BIf'' on CRANE
He related convcrsauon with General Grant which
he and Gsvsraor Pens bad lev days before he
knew Niceols whsS hs WAS 10 the, artillery,
that Nichols Vas q good follow ana that ne
iSr Nichols sHsa for Packard Roosr,s vent 70
Grant that oscasisr 70 nnd out wat he lGranO
s !. q s.:S ne 70 :.
ness said, isr vs vsrs afraid AL tho time that be
would away aud ovsrturn all the arrsnsements we
kobers said mat Casey had got wind Of ms interview
WIN Ho. sa4 d came 2 him almost
came In he would turn him Casey out
.4rg snH 7. THE CONGRATULATIONS.
Mr. Hiscock cross-examined the witness and asked
counted In II larry elected, meant what
said. Coiousl Robst replied shat ihs shs
impression Lett upon his mind. - ae
q. You were convinced OF that7 A. Yea
Mr. Hiscock then endeavored 10 ehcit the admits
SION thai Governor Hayes did not know Roberts would
communicate his statements TO his southern friends
but tho witncss insisted that II was so Understood
Colonel Roberts admitted that nothing was satd
Governor Hayes to DO air ana just" the as
that the troops would DO withdrawn ana the
given in so macy woros by Governor Hayes, but 10
lRoberts) gathered as much from what Governor
Hayes SAID about treating the south fairly and living
up his letter OF acceptance
Colonel Roberts admitted that neither Evar,s, Fos-