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Public ledger. [volume] (Memphis, Tenn.) 1865-1893, 1878-03-12
TEmPLARs Oh n

N1sfUI
NAToNA TEMPLE OF n. AND 7. EI4IH
30. l-nests every Friday even EANA
ing at 8 o'clock at Temperance M-LSh
Hall, 10. 29S Second street. ~
J. II. Thompson, W. G. T.; Earle Gantt, VI.
V. T.; @. A. 8. Richardson, W. B.; G. +.
Shepherd, W. r.; W. II. Harris, w. II. r.;
Bun r. Price. W IT.; 7. Z. Callahan, W. u;
o. Olsen, W. d. wv. W. Caps. W. g.;
d. @. MoDougal, WIS.
THALEs TEMPLE OF 81. n 7. No. 4-meets
every Thursday evening at u o'clock at hall,
No. 298 Second st. W. II. Atkinson. P. W. o..
T.; j. L. Bourne. W. c. T.; TT. Davis. W.
v. T.; D.. g. Reahard, W. R.; /. d, Coma
way, W. r. r.; j. =. Chandler. ". 7. "; j..
o. Barhee, w. u; G.. Salem, W. D. O.;
Frank Hale, W. g.; J. Callahan, W. g.. Dan
A. Johnston, W. c.
CHELsKA TEMPLE OF Il. Il 7. No. 2-meets
every Tuesday evening at " o'clock, OF their
al, corner Saffarans and Fifth streets l..
g. Williams, W. O. T.; Robert Kendall, W.
v, T.; w. N, Carr, W. r.: Richardson.
W. A. R.; W. Z. Prescott. W. 7. R.; Z. r..
Colby. ". l.;9. r. Egnew. ". D. u; Jas.
S. Rawlings, ". g.; K. j.. Rawlings, W. S.;
X. Il. White, P. W.. G. 7.
MONTGOMERY COUNCIL No. !, T. A. X S
T.-meets frat and third Saturday in each
month, in Temperance Hall. at TX o'clo,k
pm. Horace h. Briggs, G. Of c.; g. A. s..
Richardson, r.
Public ledger. [volume] (Memphis, Tenn.) 1865-1893, 1878-03-12
saturday, lLarch 2a, ISIS.

within legal hours, the following described
property, situated in Shelby county, Tenn.
near White Station. on the Memphis and
charleston railroad, on the south side thereof
and described as follows, viz: Beginning at a
stake on the northwest corner of a 20-acre lot
heretofore sold by II. Schafer, Catherine Scha-
fer and Mary Knapp 10 Ledbetter and Gamer;
and running thonoo south with the west line
of said Ledbotter and Gamers treot 9 chains
and SO links To- a stake; thence westWardly
parallel with the west line Of the Memphis
and Charleston railroad II chains and 59links
to a stake; thence north 6 chains aud % links
to q stake in the center of tho Memphis and
Germantown plank-road thence west with
said plank road 10 chains to the beginning,
containing about acres, more or less.
Terms of Sale = On a credit of six () months.
note with approved security required Of pur-
chaser, etc. '
This February 26. 1873.
By r. J. BLACK, d. @, and M.
IL. O. King, Solicitor. 15o.ty
Public ledger. [volume] (Memphis, Tenn.) 1865-1893, 1878-03-12
MULES AND
RIVER INTELLIGENCE


RIVER INTELLIGENCE
BOATS LEAVING TODAY.
st. Francis river, West Wind nm
n~leksbuIg, lulnois.Y---....~......~--.5 pm
Eriar's Point, Geo. W. Cheek~..--.....5 pm
ARRIVALS.
Steamer James Howard. New Orleans.
John Porter, Pittsburg.
Alice, Vicksburg.
Mary Houston, Cincinnati.
James D. Parker, Cincinnati.
Fred Wilson, Ohio river.
Alice Brown, Ohio river.
Bigley, Ohio river.
DEPARTURE.
Steamer Phil Alliu, Arkansas CITY.
Coshoms, Friar's Point.
James Howard, St. Louis.
Mary Houston, New Orleans.
Fred Wilson, New Orleans.
Alice Brown, New Orleans.
Alice. St. Louis.
Osceola Belle, 0sceola.
BOATS IN POE
Thompson Dean, James D. Parker.
%illlnols, Geo. W. Cheek, West Wind,
John Porter.
Condition OF the Rivers.
The river here declined s inches
in the past "a hours ending at
noon, and now stands rs feet 4
inches above low water mark. At
Cairo the decline was 8 inches, with
30 feet on the gauge at ST. Louis it
rose 81 inches, with 81 feet 10
inches on the gauge; at Pittsburg
1t declined 6 inches, with Z feet 4
inches on the gauge; at Cincinnati
10 inches, with % feet 6 inches on
the gauge at Louisville it is sta
tionary, with 0 feet 10 inches in
the canal; at Evansville it is falling.
with 10 feet 9 inches on the gauge.
Cumberland river declined 0 inches
at Nashville, with IL feet = inches
on the gauge. Arkansas river is
falling at Little Rock, with s feet
on the gauge. White river is fall
ing, with a good stage of water
from JacksonpOrt to the mouth.
niSceIlAnvous.
Spring weather.
Very little animation in marine
circles.
The Thomas Sherlock, bound for
New Orleans, passed Louisville yes
terday.
The Andy Baum, from Memphis,
arrived at Cincinnati yesterday.
The John A. scudder, for New
Orleans, passed Y%icksburg yester-
day morning at 2 o'clock.
The Katie P. Kountz, out Of the
Arkansas river, bound for New Or
leans, passed V%cksburg last night.
The +. 0. stanard, from st.
Louis, arrived at New Orleans yes
terday.
The Vint Shinkle, for Cincinnati,
passed Cairo last evening,
The II. Q. Yaeger and Future
City left Cairo last evening for New
Orleans
The City of Alton leaves ST.
Louis tomorrow for New Orleans.
The Alice Brown passed down
for New Orleans with a tow Of coal.
Public ledger. [volume] (Memphis, Tenn.) 1865-1893, 1878-03-12
mo. $3.50, N. RI
ChanceTy Sale Of Real Estate.

ohaneery Court Of Shelby County, Tenn.-
II. Schafer ct al, for use, etc, VS.. r.. n.
Stephens etal.
RY VIRTUE OF AN INTERLOOUTORY
II decree for sale, entered in the above causes
on the 18th day Of May, 1876, and renewed.
ETC., October 4, 1877, l will sell, at public aue.
ten, to the highest bidder, in front Of the
Clerk and Masters Office, Court. house build
ing, Main street. Memphis, Tenn, on
Public ledger. [volume] (Memphis, Tenn.) 1865-1893, 1878-03-12

NAToNA TEMPLE OF II. AND 7.
40. l-meets every Friday even
ing at 8 o'clock at Temperance
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29
Gen. Crooks Report.

Ia this report Gen, Crooks uses the
following in relation to TIE Bannocks
visited this agency in March and
April last. The apportion-
ment of rations for the supply of this
agency was ridiculously Inadequate.
The indians complained that three days
out of the seven they had nothing to
eat, and the agent informed me that the
allowance had never been sufficient. [
at once telegraphed the state of affairs
to the department and urged that some.
thing be done immediately to remedy
1t. 1t was matter Of surprise to no
one acquainted with the facts that some
Of these Indians should soon after break
out into hostilitics. The great wonder
is that so many of them have remained
so long on their reservations. With
the Bannocks and Shoshoues our In
dian policy has resolved itself into
question OF war-path or starvation, and
being human many of them will always
choose the former alternative, in which
death shall at least be glorious. They
cannot hunt for subsistence, and the
influx OF Immigration of each day is
adding to the Gordon of settlements
around them; and if for any purpose
they lave the reservation it is only the
mcrcst accident IN the world that they
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29
The Goldepdal Sun SAYS:

Lately in tho Kittitas valley.an In.
dian went to the house of white settler
and politely requested him to move, that
the house was his. The settler reiuse cd
and the Indian started for help, it is
supposed When he had gone about
100 yards the settler shot and seriously
wounded him.
An Indian came into Father Wilbur's
mouse few days ago and was twice
requested to take off his hat. The
third time he threw his hat on the foo,
and sprapg at Father Wilbur and a
regular rough and tumble fight ensued
10 which the Indian rather got the bet.
ter of it. The noise Of the scuaie was
heard aud assistance rendered.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

can avoid a conflict of some kind with
the whites. The savages know nothing
and can be made to understand nothing
OF such things as the failure Of an ap-
preparation or the cumbersome and dill.
atory complications of administrative
red tape" They only know that we
have promised faithfully to feed and
chthe them and teach them to earn
their own living; and they insist upon
our living up to the contract or they
wlii, 1t driven to the war path, wreak
Their vengeance upon the unprotected
ranchmen and miners around them.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29
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Let them be Annexed.

AS the voters of Northern Idaho
gave an almost unanimous expression
IN favor of the constitution Of the State
OF Washington, it may be taken for
granted that they are in favor of an.
nexing the three counties occupied by
them to this territory. 1t is so loud an
expression that the delegate from Idaho
will do well to heed it. There is
neither sense or wisdom in compelling
North Idaho to pay tribute to the rest
OF that territory. A range of noun
talns, impossible for pack animals eight
months in the year, divides the two
portions, making it necessary for the
resident of Lewiston having business at
the capital, to travel 100 miles through
Washington and 200 miles throug h
Oregon to attend to it. Northern Idaho
has no business relations with the rest
of the territory except the payment Of
taxes. and DO social relations beyond the
biennial visits made by the members of
the legislature, and the occasional trips
of the sheriff's with prisoners. Mr..
Fem can make himself "the beloved"
OF North Idaho by annexing the three
counties of Washington this winter. Do
it, sir w. ". Union.
Mr.. Fem has been endorsed twice BY
the people of North Idaho by large
vote. Mr.. Fem has learned at Wash.
inston that Congress prefers that North
Idaho come in with Washington as q
state to making any change OF boun
daries, while both are territories, and
hence the people Of North Idaho have
accepted the situation and voted for the
constitution. You would have done
better had you followed her example.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29
Indians.

Gen. Sheridan, in vindication of his
reports adverse to the policy of the In.
dian department in removing Indians,
says:
| know nothing in the relations of the
military to the civil administration which
should prevent me from calling the atten-
ton OF my superiors to an unnecessary
waste OF public money through bad ad-
miuistrasioo of the Indiae bureau.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29
Why should it be so

The constitution, although unuues.
tionably adopted, lis now almost certain
to remain Il dead letter. This result,
however. is just what certain parties
have most desired. and they have
achieved it.--P. Tribune.
Why should the constitution remain
q dead letter? What have the enemies
Of the constitution accomplished in the
late election bat their own defea. ?
Have you no faith in the people who
have so nobly come forward and given
their sanction to the state movement?
The power that opposed is driven to the
wall, and the friends Of the movement
must not now concede to them vic
tory. We apprchend that your dis
enlargement arises flom the defeat of
Cation for delegate. Did not the Re-
pub!icans pledge their candidate TO use
all his influence TO secure the admission
Ct the state if the constitution was
adopted? And this was more than he
Democrats did before the election, al
though Cation himself endorsed the
state movement. The vote shows that
The Democrats, as we'll as Republicans,
iii nearly all the counties, voted for
the constitution, although they voted
for Brentz in many Of the counties
Your Encouragement must arise from
the fact that Congress, which is Demo-
cratic, will not admit q state whose ma
jority vote is CASTOR a Republican nom-
inec. This is too much Of partizan
view. You may be correct as to the
eject Of the election upon our admis-
sion before the next presidential elec>
ton, hut its influence will not 90 be-
you'd if it does go thai far, and the
constitution will not spoil before that
time. No doubt the nonopohsts of the
territory and OF Oregon aud California
will use all their influence in case of
delay in our admission to get new
constitution that viii give them a great
er power to Cypress the people; but the
people themselves will see to it that
they do not succeed. and the press Of
the country that is not subsidized will
be equally vigilant to apprise the PEG.
pie of efforts made against their inter-
es's; but We do not see why the present
Congress cannot be induced to pass an
enabling act to admit Washington as IA
state with her present constitution, to
take effect Immediately after the next
presidential election. No Democratic
member of Congress ought to object to
this, and no Republican will, we think,
for by that time our population will be
largely increased, and our development
more prominent and the necessity for a
state government be more apparent to
all. We think, then, that our contem.
porary of the Tribune ought not to
take the case so much at heart because
Caton was not elected. Brentz himself
cannot oppose our admission without
doing great violence to his pledge to
carry out the expressed will of the
convention which nominated him. and
we have no faith that he will attempt
to oppose, but, on the contrary, we be.
lieve that he will greatly dissppoint the
expectations of the Tribune itself in
regard to his ability and his purposes to
obey the wish of the people.
HID Inn.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

THR PEoPLE-Living in the southern
counties say that were they residents in
North Idaho, they would be as earnest as
we are far annexation to Washington, and
get they say they shall oppose our going
there This plaialy evinccs that they do
not accede to us what they know to be for
our own best interests as people. They
never did this aud Why should they aow
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

IMPRovEMENT.-We notice much needed
Improvement going on in the grading and
widening of the river side street leading
from town to the upper ferry on Snake
river. This is an improvement that has
long been needed, and will be highly APP
fprsciated by our citizens, both in the town
aud country.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29
mining & ENGINEERING.

n MosHETMER. IN SAN FRANCISCO.
% in CO. operation with a Society Of En-
gineers. is publishing a Monthly journal, THE
ENGINEER or THE PACFFIC. devoted to
the advancement Of Mining, Engineering, Me-
cbanical Arts, etc. II is conducted on strictly
scientific principles and the price, 81 so per
year.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

INDIAN WAR CLoUD.-We learn from the
Standard that 60 troops have left Vancouver
for Willow Creek to apprehend band of
Umatillas who have left the reserva, ZION
and refuse to return.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

A. S. WOLFSTIEN, teacher of the piano
and organ. Terms $500 per quarter of
twenly-four lessons. Also tuning and re-
pairing done at short notice. Leave orders
at Grostein & Binnard's store or at his
office.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

TAxEs.-All persons who have not paid
their taxes, bave until the second Monday
in December to do so, after which time they
will be placed on the delinquent list. We
are so informed by sheriff Baird.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

New SnoP,-C. G. Kress has fitted up
room in the old store of Grostein Binuard
and opened out jeweler shop where he is
ready for any work in his line.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

NARROW EscApE,--Our Young friend
Harry Thatcher, narrowly escaped serious
injuries on Wednesday last, while riding in
company with number of men, seated on
board on skeleton wagon, tho board
broke, throwing him to the ground. the
hind wheels passing over his head and back
but not seriously hurting him.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

BALL.--Thc Thanksgiving ball at Clark 5
hall last evening was in every way very
creditable affair, and was we'll patronized
by the citizens generally.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

Attention Everybody! Photographs
Montgomery, the celebrated artist, is here. Per-
sons wanting photographs taken and finished
the way they should be, have chance now to
do so. AS none but good work leaves the gal
lery, and the public rely on being satisfied
FRosT's GALLERY.
Nov. 18th, 1878. y3-n6-tf
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

ALEX. McGREGoR, ESQ, has just re.
turned from California, where he went FOR
medical treatment. He appears much i'm,
proved in health.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

ROBERT YANrIs, ESQ, came down from
Pierce City the other day and will go on
his way to Boise City in time TO take his
seat in the legislature in January next
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

How IS THIS &c. A. Man ming placed
upon our table this week two fine speci.
mems of vegetables-a carrot weighing G
pounds and beet weighing 10 pounds,
raised on his place just above this city.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

NORTHWEST. This steamer arrived h ere
on Friday Of last week with few tons of
freight aud several passengers, and re-
turned on Saturday.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

FROM WARRENs.--J. Dubuque, J. Gin
DINING and George Stevens came out
from Warrens this week for the winter
They all look we'll and hearty.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

EXpLosIoN.-The telegraph announces
the explosion of coal mine in Pennsvl-
rauia on the ed in which l3 were killed
and or 10 seriously wounded.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

A WAGON ROADS, in contamination IN
clearwater as far as Dunwell's ranch
which will ultimately be extended to the
mouth of Lapwai creek. Such a road
will be far better than the present road
over the table lands and down the CANYON.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

SHAKE THEM.-Now is the time to shake
and turn your carpets t'other side up
Those who have no carpets-well, it's all
right.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

AINsHE has about COO majority in the
Bear lake and Oneida counties. This will
elect him in the Territory by from ! 900 to
|, 200 majority.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

MILK.-M. II. Spraguc. Esq, has now ar
rangements so made that he can furnish parties
who desire to purchase, with milk by the pint,
quart or gallon. Off.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

ARRIVED. Mime. lie Francois and her
son, Eugene j. Bonhore, arrived here from
San Francisco on Tuesdays stage to re-
main for the winter,
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

WESLEY MUIKEY is having b is new house
at the upper end of town iuished-we are
told for new hotel.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

NEARLY sAwED.--The mill company has
nearly cut what logs they saved from their
drive into lumber.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

On. Ii. W. STANTON has been busy re.
hitting his store. lie has also laid in A
large stock of drugs and chemicals.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

RErURNED.-Our sheriff and deputy mar
shall returned from Boise City on Monday
night.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

DON'T FoRGET.-Wm. B. Glove is still at
the Hotel de France, ready for any one who
has bad teeth.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

REV. Mr.. MCALLIsTER is making rand
Improvements on his land Immediately
south of the town.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

DuNwELL MoRRILL-Propose to estab.
lsh another stage station at the Sweet.
water.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

FoR EURoPE.--Geo. Moeler of Pierce
City arrived in tow this week Oh his way
to Europe. Success attend him.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

EVENING socIABLEs are now customary in
Lewiston.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

THANKSGIVING was generally observed as
4 legal holiday in Lewiston.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29
ocAL TELL G E NICE

THERE will be Christmas tree at the
.ehool house next Christmas.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29

The first snow of the season was seen il
Lewiston on Thanksgiving morning.
Lewiston teller. [volume] (Lewiston, North Idaho) 1878-1900, 1878-11-29
LELAND.
Attorney-at-Law,

LEWISTON, IDAHO TERRITORY.
viii practice in gil the Courts of North Idaho,
and Also the Supreme Court. Also Commits
sioner OF Deeds for Washington. Territory in
and for Idaho Territory.
West Virginia argus. [volume] (Kingwood, W. Va.) 1877-1946, 1878-07-20
ROWLESBURG LETTER.

Editor ATgUS
will again try TO give you a few items
from our town. We had quite crowds
here on the Fourth, but sorry 10 say that
quite number wero intoxicated. attend
eel with brawliug, cuTsing and fighting
which is always mixed with drinking
But this does not surprise w very much
from the fact that nobody ever seems 10
take any interest In anything for tho
benefit Of our Sunday School or for the
young and rising generation i'm the way
OF a celol ration or pic mic. &c, and just
50 long as parents neglect those impor,
tant matters they can expect their sons
lying about drunk, and have their wives
aud daughters insulted by those that are
INDUCING in that vile poison. Mary
johnson was on hand to supply those
that bad not supplied themselves, as she
knew from the patronage she had been
receiving from this place that it would be
q fine opening for her 10 deal out nor
damnation on the Fourth, which proved
to be true as she was we'll patronized
from our town and from n part Of Union
district. Mayor Morris ordered consta-
BILE G.. r. Adams with posse Of men to
arrest hcr hut our stern old omcer failed
to perform his Official duty on account
Of his forco not being sufficient 10 COM
pete with Mary's, or she scared them of
with a solid swig Of rot gut.
The Republican mass meeting hold
here was rather failure a. there was
not over eight or ten attended and ono or
two Of them boys.
Wo have had some sickness Of late in
our town. Hiram Grimes had q partial
stroke of apoplexy, Mr.. d. Y. Morris and
ID. n. Shaffer have had n severe spell OF
cholera morbus and we heard of some
othor cases but they are ali better at
present.
The r. VI. denomination had basket
meeting near here on Sunday a. the
COT school house, whore was heard q
couple Of good and interesting sermons.
They W Guild have had pleasant time Of
tiff the weather bad not been 50 intensely
hot Hoping we have not worried your
patience, we will close,
Yours, with regards.
West Virginia argus. [volume] (Kingwood, W. Va.) 1877-1946, 1878-07-20
The Corporation War.
By Lonafello,c, or somo othe, Jel,or, Of
FclloWSDiiie.

A decree from the Council won't forth
one day,
CTwas in rs, and think it was May
But l1,o,r it caused the devil TO pay
In county>town not far away.
The Council decided the streets to pave,
And to the Young "bucks" duo notice
gave
That if eight dimes por diem they wish
ed TO save,
Two days hard labor the streets must
have.
At this the "bucks" in round oaths
swore
That the Council was an informal bore;
And each pledged to lose his life. before
He d strike, on The sta cts, single blow.
Editors, doctors and lawyers pitched in
10 the strife,
And directly the widest rumors were
rife
OF war, bloodshed, and loss Of life
Bringing dismay II mother, sister, sw eot-
heart and wife.
They denounced the Council as being IA
matte,
In terms more proiane than chaste or
grammatic;
And some sworo that why it was so dog
matte.
Was doubtless because twas cmocydtjc.
The Grads" said this, but others said "no:
1t stands to reason that this is not so,