The Stark County Democrat. [volume] (Canton, Ohio) 1833-1912, 1878-08-29
FRAUD INVESTIGATIONS,
MAJOR BURKE RELATES HOW
LOUISIANA SECURED COVER
NOR NICHOLAS.
W, Z. Horne, the Next witness Called, Declines
10 Answer Important Questions.

70 Answer Important Questions
New York, August 22.-Mr, Burke continued his
testimony before the Potter Committee to day
He said that the census Of 1875, for Orleans, was
fraudulent az In the interest OF the Republican
party by increasing the negro vote 25,OOO ana
that the State was carried for Nichols by 9OOO
majority and for Tilden by about 5000 majority
The difficulties presented In the case as the vote
of the State was declared for Hayes were discussed
at the conference and the witness assured Mr.
Cameron he could present legal theory on
which the Nichols government could be SUSTAIN
ed even II the electoral count was given TO Hayes
that the Returning Board had no power 10 count
the vote for Governor or Lieutenant Governor
The Democrats had already majority In polh
houses, (Here General Butler appeared and TOOK
his seat)
The witness was TO have prepared memorial
setting forth the law under which he claimed
they could act He telegraphed this matter to
Governor Nichols. memorial was to be drawn
setting forth all the law and facts and to be ad
dressed TO the President Of the Senate and the
House of Representatives with view Of getting
a bill passed taking the power from the Returning
Board of counting the vote for Governor and
Lieutenant Governor.
Governor Nichols by his replies, did not seem
10 fully understand the proposition about the
memorial While the witness understood from
Secretary Cameron that two Republican United
States Senators would be exacted from Louisiana
provided that the Nichollsgovernmentw was recog-
nized, yet there was no special pledge made and
the matter was deferred and Columbus Delano
went to Columbus, Ohio In reference to the mat
ter. The witness believed Sherman was acting
with Cameron in the matter Of United States
senstorships. Representative Gibson had told
him 80.
In a conversation with Sherman on the 26th Of
February the difficulty of recognizing the Mich
oils government was discussed and from that con
yersation he believed Sherman was opposed othe
election of two Democratic United States Senators
The witness suggested that could be overcome by
postponing the election until after the inaug
uration Of the President and the formation Of Q
cabinet
Question-Then, after all this, was not Cameron
against you Answer-Once when he went to the
telegraph Office with Governor Penn and stopped
the order Issued by President Grant withdrawing
the troops and said, HE was Secretary of Wa
and would be id If he would let the order 60
that he was Secretary of War and the ordershoulC
have gone through him
Inc Wlllebb hhlu nc ulu HOt UollGN'
the Packard government should be sustained. HI
believed General Grants policy favorable to th
NIchOllB government began on the 9th OF Januar!
when he refused Kellogg's request for NOR
troops, and declined to recognize either govern
ment On and after the Goth Of January HI
evinced desire to recognize the Nichols govern
ment.
Question by Mr.. Hiscock--Then all your negO
tiations with persons in Washington were simpl
with view Of getting the Hayes government no
to interfere with the Nichols government as
had been already legally establishedH A.-The
were with that object. l think Mr.. Hayes ha'
made up his mind before these conferences as
the way he would act toward Louisiana. be
lieve Sherman, Garfield and other leading Re
publicant in both Houses were influenced b
Considerations proposed at the Wormley confer
ence.
Q.-What did General Garfield ever say that in
duced you to believe that of him2 A.-0n tn
9th Of December appeared the report to the Pres
dent signed by Sherman and Garfield stating tn
election in Louisiana had been carried by blood
shed, riot aud intimidation and sustaining tn
Returning Board decisions
QcNOw, conceding the fact that Packard wa
defeated by bulldOzers ETC., did that Justify ther
in arguing that the government in full possessio
should be subverted?
General Butler objected, and long Wrangl
ensued between him and HisCOek.
The dispatch sent by President Grant stating
either government was recognized 1t should b
the Packard government, was sent, we believe
solely with the object of keeping the Packaa
Legislature from falling to pieces. We we're 81
sured OF this by our representatives. In convel
sation with Messrs, Howe, Frye, Wadleigh an
others, they always maintained the policy OF rt
Cognizing the Packard government. Our apprt
tensions were Of old Republican leaders and nc
as to Mr.. Hayess action. We wanted the troop
withdrawn before any issues were raised likely I
endang6r the peace. We wanted TO have as man
prominent Republicans as possible committed I
our policy In case anything should turn up. NJ
impression Of Delano's visit TO Columbus was the
1t was for the purpose Of finding how far Haye
would go In the matter Of recognizing the Mich
oils government on the condition of Louisiana rt
turning two United States Senator'S. / think
heard from some one that Hayes refused to haV
anything 10 do with the matter.
Q.-WhO told you that2
This question was waived till TO. morrow.
The following telegram was then read
Columbus, Ohio, March 1, 1877.
To Hon, ". E. Horne, Wizards Hotel:
Hayes will be In Washington tomorrow moor
Telegraph me the result before you go to bed tC
night. We are waiting, Thanks for faVors,
[9ignedl THos. l.. YOUNG.
The next witness sworn was W. r. Horne,
resident Of Texas. He said he came TO Washing
ton in 1876 and got into the Treasury Department
Gen. Butler questioned the witness.
Q,-NoW Major Burke says you sent dispatcl
to Gov. Young on the 26th OF February, giving hin
the result Of the WOrmley conference and got
The witness refused to answer as he acted in tn
capacity OF legal adviser. He admitted, howeV
er receiving the telegram given above. Gov
YOnng called on him after his arrival In Wash
ington.
Q.-Did he take you to zee Gov Hayes? Tn
witness declined to answer.
Q-Were you In New Orleans at the time tn
Sub. Committee of this Committee was there A
L have nothing more to say General. got
letter from Gov. Young requesting me TO let hin
know how things were progressing at Washington
both by mail and telegraph.
The witness said he had never received am
Compensation from Gov. Young for his services
He had several interviews with President Haye
after his Inauguration but could not say what b.
said 10 him.
Q.-Don't you remember A.-Well, dom
propose TO answer you just now.
Gen. Buller-Wen, insist on 1t.
Mr.. Hiscook-I would venture 10 say the wltnes
had q conference with Gen. Butler last night IL
his room and they fixed up this whole programme
Of aVailing himself Of his legal profession.
Gen. Buller-I demand that be taken back, a
/ never suggested line Of testimony to the wit
ness.
Mr.. Potter-Why not telegraph Gov. Young anC
see If he wont release this witness from his PROBES
aional objections Of secrecy toward him, anC
Mr. HiscOck agreed and sent dispatch to tina
effect.
Gen. Butler said these thiBgs came with poo
grace from Hsyes's counsel before the committe,
(meaning Mr. Hiscock).
Mr.. HiscOck retorted that 1t was bad grace OF
the part Of disappointed candidate for honors Il
possessed Of great secrets.
The committee then adjourned till tomorrow
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BUTLER ASSERTS HE HAS SEEN THF
ORIGINAL SHERMAN LETTER.