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theory be holds Of scripture inspiration; what
theory he holds Of the atonement, whether that
Of Anselm, OF that Of Grotius, or that Of Oxen

1eCreed regarding the SCRIPTURES anu the
stcnernent, not troubling himself much about
The theories or opinions Of theoloigians. And the
strange question to have put to me-whetherI
hold the theory of Grotius, or that of Oxen |
ham, the first a Protestant, the second Catho-
lie in profession but as a scholar and historian
of slight trust
HWas 81. Peter ever in RomeS'' Most UNI
doubleday he was in Rome, and died IN Rome,
after having established there his see: This is
the unbroken testimony of history ard --n.rMr
Thomas will put fo--u some shadow Of nroof
that b.. -yvry, on this point, must be rewritten,
It viii be time fer me to honor him with a
reply.
Papists in defence Of their later dogmas, have
been compelled to adopt three nutually-des-
tructive theories in as many centuries-the ap-
peal to the fathers, the discipline arcani, and
the theory Of development. Before I give an
swer, Mr.. Thomas will please show me how we
have been compelled in defence of our dogmas
to adopt different theories, as he calls them, and
how they are mutually destructive.
failed, he says, to disprove that even it the Ro
man Catholic church were entirely expunged
from history, Protestants would still have the
continuous witness Of the Greek church to the
Testament. Mr.. Thomas forgets that the
question raised was not concerning the
genuiness and authenticity of the New
Testament--these are human facts which
ordinary history can prove, but concerning the
inspiration Of the New Testament, super
natural fact which requires for its oredibilty an
infallible witness.
Rome argues in circle" She does not.
We prove Christ's institution of the church
from history, If, in SO doing, we appeal to the
New Testament the appeal is to nero books of
history. The church proved, we accept her
testimony as to the inspiration of these books.
II this is arguing In circle, do not all Chris
n q circle hen mr.
mission of Christi The difficulty with Mr..
Thomas, is that he seems incapable of distin-
gushing between the historical value of the
New Testament, and its inspiration.
Such were the objections had left un-
noticed. In his second lecture, he puts for
ward new question. Can the genuineness
of the 7th verse, 9th chapter, LIST John, be
proven? 1t can, just as we'll % the genuine
ness of the 9Th verse 4th chapter, of st. john s
gospel, which Mr.. Thomas admits, l estab-
lished on a sound, critical foundation.
The text in question is this one: For there
are three that gave testimony in Heaven, the
Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, and these
three are one." Will Mr.. Thomas say that the alb
sence of q text from any one class Of manuscripts
isanything more than mere negative argument.
which in presence of positive testimony from
other sources is easily explained away. The
age of manuscripts presented for the transmits
sion of documents, difficulties Of which the age
of printing presses can form no idea The dis
traction of o copyist causes an omission; his
| manuscript becomes the basis for numerous
Others, and the omission is repeated through
| them all. We would have but most mutllat-
ed bible, were VIC to reject the parts which
| have been found absent from one GLASS or an
other of manuscripts. The positive testimony
for the genuiness Of the passage in LIST john is
| the old Latin Recension of the New Tesla
ment, which was in use mainly in the African
Latin church--one Of the Oldest and most re
l ltoh ein %|c rofo IN re- ri
Fathers RS Tertullian, Cyprian, Fnlgentius
| the bishops of one Of the Carthaginian coun
ellis, &c., &C., several old manuscripts, Greek al
well as Latin, the Vulgates SO long held as au
| thoritative in both the Greek and tho Latil
churches. The bible of the Catholic church,
beg to assure Mr.. Thomas, will securely stant
the test of manuscript scholarship, whoever tn
opponents and whatsoever their historical
learning may seem to be.
But, candidly would ask, is not Mr. Thorn
as placing his Protestant hearers in a most crit
ical situation? All the texts against which h
is raising objections, arc parts and parcels o
the Protestant bible, upon which solely Prot
estants rest their faith. Now the
are told by one of their own ministers tina
there are interpretations in the bible and tina
they can find true bible only by a diligen
study Of the old manuscripts study whic
and which it is plain, the tens of millions mus
deem on absolute impossibility. My thanks
Mr.. Thomas for his help to me in domolishin
Professionalism.
Mr.. Ten Brock has the merit in which NJ
Thomas is 30 sadly deficient, Of taking diret
hold of the question at ISSUE
, he undertakes to defend Il
Protestant Episcopal church. He occasional
J fogets the main question and INDUCES in sid
illusions to the stale calumnies of st. Barthol
, news day. the horrors of the Inquisition, TO
geries of Decretals, social crimes, &c. Sue
l references, however un-called for they may
} in the present discussion, or unfounded in fac
> We can overlook, in view Of the gener
straightforward course Of his lecture. F
{ manifests, here and there, credulity passi1
strange for the nineteenth century; but as it
harmless, except to himself, we must deem it
most pardonable offence. In the sixteent
century, he tells us, one Cummin. friar, /
r ceived 1000 ducats from the Pope for feignir
3 the Protestant and thus, by fraud and dece
: ton, securing facilities to teach the mass
: the people of England. AS late, even, as
4 years ago, he says, an emissary of Rome pla
4 Ing the part of an Episcopal deacon, enter
: the seminary of Nashotah, Wisconsin, for Il
r purpose Of Romanizing professors and stndent
. II it is some consolation to Mr Ten Brock
4 believe such nursery tales, will not distu1
b him in his credulity.
j: Adefense of the Episcopal church again
n charges lately made in reference to it. TT
s charges, as made in my sermon of March Sd. we
, copal church is essentially and logically re-
e gious communism. I'd, that the Protesta
It Episcopal church has no means of proving
J itself the canon and inspiration of the scri
v lures, and cannot establish, by fact or reaso
e its rule Of faith. 3d. tn
9 by no means branch Of Gods church. 7
n charges if allowed are, Of course, fatal to
I Protestant Episcopal church. My proofs
/ the charges were given in the same sermo
Mr.. Ten Brock, in the name Of the churc
t. puts in the plea of mot guilty. and clair
70 to every defendant"
n We will review the defense. First chars
+, The Protestant Episcopal church is religio
7, communism.
r. SCI will be allowed t6smake brief summit
e Of the previous stages of this controversy.
Is Communism, social or religious, was by
Rev. D. r. Breed defined to be that conditi
}. of things where each individual thinking
rs himself is law to himself, allowing no
r thority above him to limit or restrain his op
&c ions. Such communism, Mr.. Breed declal
a. an upmixed evil, and his hearers were war;
m not to give in any form countenanee to
Or principles or practices. But Professionalism
lie replied, is but another name for communis
N The very primary principle of Professionalism
to the right Of the individual to think, and jud
N and choose for himsel, and todeny theexiste1
lg upon earth of all religious authority.
Il BLDG, MI breed presented as the restralnC w
il thought in Professionalism. But the Bible, So
is silent book, the meaning of which ii
1 most difficult to grasp, and the whole quest
Is turns on the Interpretation of this book.
ae page of book does not limit the license
t, thought in the individual, when in princi
ve the individual is authorized to interpret t
or book for himself without reference to any
IN thority besides his own judgment. It were
n doubtedly communism If all courts were al
il. ished in Minnesota, and each citizen auth
Df l lied To make for hirnsef his own law ont