The New York herald., 1878-11-01
THOSE WONDERFUL ClPHERS.

An INTERVIEW WITH Mr.. JOHN r. coYLR-
TEE GREAT DEAL THAT HE IS SAID TO
KNOW AND THE VERY LITTLE HE REVEALS.
The interview published tho HERALD yesterday
with Mr.. Than the subject OF great deal OF as
cussien in political circles, and speculation was rue
~ 60 what f. Coys would have 10 say about the
matter One OF many stories adost as TO what no
could tell IL he decided to unbosom himself was thas
$50, 900 paid to the Returning Board Of fiorioa
On their promise the vote OF the state TOT
Fndsn; that aner getting their pay tho virtuous
Beard went 10 the other side because
H larger being pledged 10 tnsm
insy cast The vote OF The State Tor Hsyea This
sum, unlike the democratic purse was not paid over
Gill the Board had It's work. so tho story went
hencs the republicans II was also alleged
shis wondrous that although the State OF North
Carolina went for Tlden, the Returning Board, or
majority or the slsctorsit 10 not clearly made out
Uhich-wcre determined 10 give the vote OF the
gsate for Hayes. Why they so "detsrminsd" the
Rory does not relate; but the determination. the
Isory says, upset by round sum being paid to
hsm by democrats II was asserted that the author
VI this story less . person than Coyls him.
ssit. but II he was ne did not make any montion OF
that interesting iactf fact II is-in conversation
be had yesterday with HERALD reporter. The
reporter yesterday called upon Mr. Coyle for the
purpose OF getting from him such Information
he might be wiling to give concerning the Florida
business or any other business he had anything 70 do
with which had the remotest bearing on the cipher
question. Mr.. Coyle made secret OF the general
Tact that he in possession OF vast fund OF in
formation the subject OF Florida difficulty. but
be Ingenious in stating that no proposed to keep
TO himself except, indeed, he compelled either
Ia sslfrespect under the order Of Congressional
MT ttao aka he foll tha
questions put TO Mr. Coyle and the he at
10 give:-
REPoRrxR-MI Coyle you have read what Mr..
fhain has TO relative the Florida cipher des
patches to Mr. Hewitt do you eorroborate his state
msntf
NJ CoYLE-All that desire to say was contained
In my caro- already published.
RxroRrER-was Mr. Hewitt the member Of the
National Democratic Comnistss that introduced Ar
fhain to you?
Mr. CoYLx-He was, sir.
REPoRrER-Did Mr.. Hewitt authorize you 20 give
hr. rhain the Of the Cooper cipher, Mr. rhain
ssasesf
Ar. CoYLE-In introducing Mr. Thain TO me, just as
was about leaving, Mr. Hewitt said:-sMr Coyie
as ysu are going to Florida here Is gentleman who
will go Oh the same train with you He has sxtsn-
Bive acquaintance Florida, and be Of great
70 you there, and whatever he has 10 say, eommunL
cate TO us here by means OF your cipher"
K RxroRrxS-Did Mr.. Cooper give you the cipner
which Mr. Hewitt stated you 70 use in Tiordaf
Mr.. CorLR-He did
REPoRrKR-was this the same cipher said to have
bssd used by Messrs Marble Wsolsy and Oshersf
Mr. CoYLR-I cannot say.
REPoRrER-Did You transmit any intelligence
through this cipher to Nj. Hewitt,
Mr. CoYLE-I did not
RxPoRrxx-Thsn you contradict Mr.. Thain on this
po,ntf
Mr.. CorLx-l may have sent cipher dispatches in
M Thain's presence, but not 10 Mr.. Hewitt
RxrORrxR-Do you object to say, Mr. Coyis, 10
whom you addressed those cipher dsspatshssf
Mr.. CoYLE-I do, sir.
RsPoRrER-Do you refuse to inform the public
vhothsr Mr.. Hewitt and Mr.. Cooper verc made aware
sf the contents Of these despatcheA
Mr.. CoYLx-As Mr.. Hewitt and Mr.. Cooper were
most active members OF the kxecus,ve COMMITTEES
during the election tnoy less ths subse-
qusnt CONTEST and have TO believe thas
every despatch that sent was seen its contents
made known to those gentleman.
RxroRrRR-Upon whom you authorized 10
draw, upon hr. Hewitt or upon Mr. Cooper
Mr.. CorLE-Upon Mr.. Cooper Mr.. Cooper was
treasurer OF the National Democratic Csmmitlea
RKPoRrER-As there has been great deal OF talk
about the expenditures OF money IN Florida, have
you any objection state the amount expended and
By whom paids
Mr. CoYLK-I cannot say with any certainty what
was expended. but only such an amount OF money
vas used by necessary tor legal and lsgti-
mate expenses.
RxpoarxR-ls this all the information you are
willing 10 give?
Mr corLE-An. SIR, until am called before In
vssugating committee by Congress-
LIZ. HEwITTs REJoINDER-HE SAYS HE NEvER
HAD ANYrHINo TO DO WITH THE CIPHER
DxsPATcHEs-THE CAMPAIGN Expenses.
From the Evening Post of yesterday.l
al deny absolutely and wholly the truth OF the In
prnuations and charges made Dy Mr.. Thais. The
sphsr dispatches from Florida TO New York city
ncver TO could not have translated them
they had knew nothing aboutthem. They went
elsewhere. By referring to them, as printed the
Fri6sse you will SOC that Of them were I'd.
dressed 70 me-"
sParss oi Mr.. Thain's story" continued Mr. hewitt
ssrs undoubtedly true Il is true that sent John
,. Coyie TO Florida with cipher. did In answer
70 = request IRON that State as ioaiows:-
Nov o, fs7a
"A s. HEWITT. EVERETT HorsR, NEW York: -
Send GOOD man hero TO represent your COMMITTEES.
wssh an understood cipher
GEORGE r. kANEY,
For Stale CON-
As chairman OF the National Committee 1 sent him
there because he had called ior. The same day
shat he went Mr.. Thain called upon and SAID that
he knew good deal about Florida politics. and
surs that he could help party by gong down TO
that State. HIS offer accepted II was like that
si hundreds OF otner gentlemen who volunteered TO
ssrvo No Ua n vfatine nj atatAxman. wn rked