The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1878-06-09
PRoCE EDINGS OF THE POTTER
COMMITTEE.

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] COMMITTEE.
FURTHER TESTIMONY OF MR. Lnv1s sea LET
| TER PROM SENATOR STANLEY MATHEWS
| he lie LINES TO ArrENp-A SUBPOENA TO BE
| ISSUED.
| WAsnISGroE, Juno $, 1878.
The Potter Investigating Commit .ee did not get to
work to-day until some time after twelve O'Clock,
! when noarly two hours werc consumed In the n
dcavor 10 GET Strengthened out the ENHANCEMENT
regard 10 the printing or tho two Louisiana certin-
Gates In tho volume Of the proceedings OF cleo
tora count-not distinct, they In shc original
| papers, but as II certincGes Nos. aud al
most or entirely identical. The point Is that cer:ih
cate No J. which Mr. Levissec, the witness Identified
containing his genuine signature, contains only
| single statement-thst the electors voted
| for President and Vice. President-while GER
| tincate No. 8, 10 which, Mr. Lcvissce says his
signature forgery, the OF
tho vote tor President and o,ihc for Vice Pres-
dent. II appears IN both thT prinued volumes-tho
one In qu,rto form corrcspoa ding with the Con-
0ressioadi Record and the IN form. II n
only No. ihss rs printed. Ofthiss curious fact
only explanation that could be offend by Mr. McIlin-
ney, the secretary Of the Electoral Commission, was
that tho printed copies OF early
Identical In the nrst page that So therng together
tho copies that were not used they 1t mixed up
eother there being no printed numb or 20 distinguish
| them, and that when no handed 10 Mr.. Murphy
the official stenographer, the coph's TO BIO printed
| In tho appendix no had avon MIN two OF
same kind, ins,ead Of dincront kinds
That was tho substance OF Mr.. McKinney,s
testimony this morning, except THAT another
somewhat interesting incident WIS also
lated in IT. That was that somse1vo weeks
ago Mr. Garfield, OF OHIO, called upon the witness
nsked him II no rscocced the difference between
certificates Noe. 1 and Mr. McKswney did at
49,
comparing tho certificates in tho prius volumes tho
| recollection OF the din, renee fire. upon him.
aud he stated It 10 M Garfield and furnished him
with separate copics II was In procuring these
copies from the store room, whaec they had
been thrown waste paper, that he discovered
how tho two sets OF kellogg certa catcs had got
mixed up together, and that discoscdsto him now he
had made tho mistake in furnishing copies TO Mr.
Murphy; no stated also that Mr. GsrfAid had said to
him on that occasion, ''You Will thc importaLcs
otthis thing probably In day two =" anc then told
Mr. Mckinney that there had been sone>cnargcs made
of inc forgery OF one VI the certificates.
In tue course Of inc examination Of ML Mckinney,
In which I'll this was got out as the rosuro great
cooquy took place between somo mem bers oi toe
mittcc
| STR Cox intimated that Mr. McMahon had mistaken
tho position which no was occupying and seemed To
be acting rancr IN the capacity OF prosecuting III
torney tnan OF q member Of committee.
10 this Mr. McMabon retortcd tn.a Mr. Cox
making sttli Greater m stake and assuming
roe Wn1Cn nc nuQ never DcfOro lssumeQk-that "a
defender Of fraud. lilo had never knowa a1m beIoru
10 appear in that role. He went 10 say that a,
paper had been submittod 10 tho two houses and
the Electoral Comm ssIon, paper forgery,
and When II had been treated NY those bodics !.
for Representative Of either 20 t,cai party prooo
| that matter TO Tho bottom especially when that
forgery was ca rried out IN printed volumes.
Mr. Rccd-But you should not probe II TO the bot.
.on BY making statement 10 Tho witness which Is
Mr Men ahon--If Mr. Cox Is nsttled because no
happens 10 be where hs never has nappsnca TO DO be-
appear as tho defender OF fraud and iorgery-hc
should stu retain his eQuaninuty as best,ho can.
Mr.. Cox-l AN sitting hero y member OF u COM
mission, having something IKE judiciat Iunctious /
have twice before proiessu against assuming
matters under consdoration. T. protest .gainss
assuming that anything 10 forgery bccsu.s
on so .aoa .sd sss
kcly 70 DO the subject matter OF far,ner examine
sSnesn Is snail .s,osr mat ssy PAPER ~ iSssssy
will DO perfectly willing 10 trusL tho public OPINION
% e say % Or
OF this Jumping ut conclusions
MR.. LEysskE AGAIN
Mr.. A. b. Levsscc again tots. tho stand and Ia !.
ans~ OF TO question by Mr.. Cox: restat ed
hm sus.Say az, as IS H s
VIZ: That he acsreu, 1rsi 10 mud out whether
real ATTEMPT TO Dribs me- ely attempt try bi
Integrity. anu second. VINO Ip.pariics were, IL there
was any real intent TO rte. IND, .liri In that
care 10 de..in the neso.isons-as long no possible 50
that they mRnt not drop him despair ana seek a
moro purchasOic men, lie also that Asicr
mat no was simply acting US croker ~ the mater
900; That no looked upon Il as legitimate buss
ness transaction, ana thai ne usei an addttonaLarRu
ment that no mr. LevHeo owed the republican party
nothing al sny rate, rs had NOT treated ham airy
by tho Charman-nia you have any apprehension
that there was anybody the Electoral College be-
sides yourself whose vicsuo might no, DO Il rm
yourss A. Wen, cannot say aoou, that; am not
good judge OF The virtuc.oi other people.
q hsvc you any ids& who II was that wrote your
nmme 10 those papers saown you the othsr day
which you said the stsnutures not genuine
A. Not tho rcmoiess my recollection is worry instinct
Ne 10 tho place whore signed my name. but SO
distinct as TO The nnmbsr Of times signed 1t; my i'm
precision Is that we each signed perhaps eight Ten
times all told my recolieot,on PERFECTLY
disnct that We senctts'ur names IN the Governors
Office The 7th OF Decembc; thnt rs the only place
aud the only time at which ever signed any papers
the Witness In reply 10 questions by tho Chairman
testified quite positively nat there we're blank
votes cast no Odd not inspect all the ballots after they
were cast, but no heard BEN they taken
oui ofibo hat, ana DO had no dooot Whatever that \
there werc eight bsots cast for Hayes ana Wheeler
SENATOR rgRRY TEsrTYEs
Here the committee look abrIci recess, after which
the hon Thomas W. hsrry, VINO. rs President OF tho
Senate received the electoral the Proc
DENTAL election, Appeared before tho Comn,tsco and
sworn. he ex sntnoo ut great length In re-
gard 10 The manner In which tho returns from tho
different States had reached n,n, tho animation be-
ing directed mainly, however, 10 tins Louisiana re-
turns lie testified THAT when he received the FIRST
return fiom Lousan1 by messenger (rhomas u An
acrso. he DID not accept IL because a. appeared to 10
In ormaI. $500. Ut.
@ DID you decline toseoove the returnf A. 1 did
not decline: / asked nm whether ne was Iamil,ar
with tho statute aud whcthcr TINS WAS a compliance
with H. ana pe,n,ed, out to him the statute aud upon
tnat he witEurcw the, rciurn. .N.s 4t- -, \.
q. Without any further remarkY A. 1 could not
say without any further remark, but there
nothing that impressed itself on my mind; adopted
the pracseo in where l Uncovered an IN
formay the outside OF the package 10 call the at
tcntion Vt tho messenger to IT tho messenger In
upon my receiving So IN suci eases
declined TO part win again Tor correction Tor
amy purpose until IL was lad bciorothe two Houses
JOINT convention.
q. Did you any time learn rosn amy body that tho
Louisiana rctut irst presented defective
a President leo
Pr~sdentf a. No, sir; Knew nothing OF II.
When did you nrst near OF that, any time before
tho election COM lctcf A. NJ, SIR NOT until |
quite recently, except appeared IN tho count; OF
course am oognizant OF that
DO you reoolect tho TACT OF opening tho louisa
ana rcturns7 A. do recoiicct opening them Ia tho
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