New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1878-08-14

undeTstand what meant said thar there would be n
the National question. but that were surs
that be friendly to us, the opposition to him would
be less yirulcnt He asked how people were feeling
the subject and said thai they thought IL they had
! to throw overheard anything they would throw oyar
what they considered TO be of the least value.
Odd you indicate what the thing Of tue least yaus
vast Al did.
Q.IDdieate IL heie, please Al said We must says
the state at all hazards He asked 10 explain Tie ALL
Uati0n. SAID that had carried tho State by 1900
majority, but the Indications that we would be
counted ont. He said that he did not want the Pres
dency unless he got fairly He then said Why Is IL
that Southern menI don't suppose there great deal
OF difference between aud abstract question:
why is il You have never gone INTO the Republican
party and endeavored to purify it T. told him 1t would
be impossible
General ButIer-Go on A-He had some polite thipc.
say about Southern people. but have given you ,he
bulk OF the conversation.
Odd he say anything to you about any act Of hls
which indicated that he not for the white people al
the SOUTH Ayes, sir,
Odd he refer to this lHanding witness an er-
tract from The yelr- York HeaId.) Ayes, cir wit
ness here read part of article, in which Sr Hayes
sympathies stated being with eoored people AZ
SOUTH said, Wen Mr.. Hayes what about thatfs
He said there the slightest shadow Of truth IN
it, and that he said any such thing wss there
stated
y
Ale said ne had been spoken to about the article and
had always said it was not correct.
A SATISFACTORY IMPRESSION GIVRN.
The witness continued The interview with Mr.
Hayes was every way satisfactory TO I immedI-
ately communicated TO friends in NewOrleans my i'm
preston that Governor Hayes very friendly to the
South. Arriving in Washington spoke OF my inter.
view to Senators Lamar and Gordon, to a newspaper
friend and Others had known Senator Lamar, who
had travelled with as far RS Cincinnati, and had en-
General ButleF-You had assurances; you acted on
these assurances and they were afterwards carried
Isut that your idea OF fulfilled barga1nf A-Yes
Thirty-eght antihibusters organized themselves with
opposition the restof the Democracy Most Of them
were Southern men and acted the assurances they
had received from Governor Hayes and his friends
various forms. Nothing else under Heaven wOid
induced them TO take the they did, nothing else
would have made the House submit TO the electoral
count. As a friend of Louisiana. I urged all whom
could influence TO stand by the count; and as result
Hayes went in and Packard went out
The witness said that he talked about the matter with
Senator COnklIng VINO said: " IL is bad business II
he elected he ought to get IN without any statement
and he was not elected, he ought not TO get IN a ALL
He was opposed to any compromises. Representative
Hale believed that Mr. Hayes had elected but Was
in favor OF making some concessions.
Mr. Roberts said that after the Inauguration he had
been offered the Naval Office at New-oreans, but had
resl2ned ~ recommending a eoi0red man. VINO was
appointed DE knew tnat he could be sandwehed in
between Wells and Anderson, and would take
Kenner, and lie could not stand that he had
interview with President Grant short time before the
expiration OF his term. Grant had said that he had
known Nichols IN the old army; that he good fel
low, and he believed more people voted Tor hun tDaa
Il
issued 10 General sherman to withdraw the troops from
NeM-0rieans.
be had talked the witness stated that On the afternoon
of the day when the Florida case closed. he met
Mr. Matthews. who introduced him 10 Mr. EYaTtg. he
also met Mr Penn, and they eouyersed tue affairs Of
louisiana and subjects Of common interest Nh. EgaTs
SAID that We were making a mistake IN opposing Mr.
Hayes, AS be was man VINO would do the far and JUS
thing toward the SOUTH The witness replied tna1 he
and thought Urat he would deal fairly
WHAT Mr.. HAYES INTENDED.
Mr.. HiseOck took the witness in hand for eross-ex
ANIMATION and by few questions drew forth the fol-
lowing: " When left New-OreaDs / believed the Re-
turning Board would return Packard and the Hayes
electors; this generally believed in Democrats
circles. In my interview with Hayes was impressed
with the conviction that he was telling the TRUTH
when he said that he did not want the Presidency unless
he got Il iary and honestly 1t private con-
versatOn understood that the results were 20 ba
upon me in the broadest way that he INTENDED
TO live up TO his letter OF acceptance; that
without reference classwith fairness and Justice
cannot remember that he said anything else with
Governments OF Louisiana. Whatever conclusions
drew were from his general declarations; what was
meant by fairness and justice was LETT for me to infer
thought meant that the people for whom the ereaest
number persons voted should be the rulers In Wash
ingtOn communicated the interview the friends Of
louisiana, aud 10 Mr. NordhoH OF The Herald within
week TIE facts Of the interview were published tbs
Whole substance OF Mr. Eyartss and Mr. Fosters state.
that Dir. Hayes was fair man. ana would DO
right nothing was said as 10 which state Government
would be recognized. Taere possible way in
which the interview with President Hayes could have
affected the action Of the Returning Boad or Of the
count contemplated by the south, except BY a-
clustering The Democratic party seriously divided
on the question OF nibusteung l sympathized with
VINO proposed IA stand by tue electoral count and
sought impress upon al that Mr. Hayes was honest
aud fair aud would be- the President Of tine whole United
states TREATING all classes alike"
Q-Do you know OF any motive which influenced the
anti-Bubusters except that they believed that Hayes
was an honest and would live up to has letter u
acc ptanee Al know OF none Other.
NOTHING IN THE NATURE OF BARGAIN.
Q.-Then, so far as you communicated any4hTng 10
your friends there was nothing the nature Of bar
gain or OF an agreement, or Of an understanding A.
Nothing.
To General Buer-I had no other object in the inter
view than TO find out what Mr.. Hayess course would
had found out
General Buter-oh, 1 thought you had taken it ali
Mr.. Hiscock-Not at all The witness has stated the
same things in his direct and in his Examination;
nation Is interviewer the nferences which the witness
drew from his various interviews.
General Butler-im trying to get at the truth; that
all want.
Mr. HiscOck Oh I've no doubt of it; we are all actu
General Buter-tto the Yitness)-When you stated the
words OF the Interviews with thOse opposed 90 hlbus
teling did you not always accompany them with your
understanding OF thema A.-lSometimes did and sOWe
tunes did not certainly understood that Louisians
General Butlor-Aud by a very remarkable cOinct
The witness was asked in regard to an article pub
hshed in The Ohio State Journal about February -
1877, to the effect that the Republican policy IN ae
South, under Grant would be continued under Hayes
He answered that the article had been read by Southern
members OF Congress- and had accustomed great conSte
nation that Senator AleOrn, who, though q Republican
opposed to carpet-0aS rule together with me wiz
ness, had visited Senator Matthews in whose paroi
they found Mr. DennisOn They said that there was noe
a word OF truth in IT, and the witness 50 iniorIasa m
friends
General Bater-n you had not so stated TO yoeff
friends, the whole thing would have bust up Al
think it would -.
General Barler-Did you have any doubt then, bsSe
You any doubt now, that Hayes understood that ne
ple0gng himself that your state should be placed
hands OF the Democracy II he became PRESIDENT ~
question was objected 70, and after debate was ehDse