The Portland daily press., 1878-06-12

with MATHEWS and he volunteered to 90 and see
Matthews. and did do so, and think Senator
Matthews told me, n fact he authorized me, to
say to Mr., Packard that he had Withdrawn all
his opposition-to say to him that Packard
would be acceptable to him, and he informed
me that the trouble was that the President did
not want Packard.
CAT that interview Senator Ma.thews did
withdraw his opposition?
A-Along about that time. Before that he
had been bitterly opposed to Packard. / had
been to see him some time before Anderson
saw him.
Q-Do you know now from interviews and
conversations with Senator Matthews what the
Influence was that Anderson was able to exer.
ise over him? What documents he mad for
the purpose of making him Withdraw his oppo-
stion?
Cox (interrupting)-Are you asking for thu
thews? tvs
McMahon-Yes.
To Witness-What was thu influence if Won
know from this conversation, that Anderson
exercised over witness which brought about the
change of front?
Witness-[ do not think Anderson's infiu
ence brought the change, it helped think, but
do not think it brought about the change.
Q-What did?
Al talked with Senator Matthews num-
Der of times and other gentlemen from our
state did, and about that time you know there
was change of front down there Senator
Matthews had stood very well down in our
state. He had been commended for his part
in what was called the s'Wormley conference"
and one thing and another and In setting up
the Nichols government and the newspapers
got to abusing him and he did not feel so
friendly to the Democratic element. That
helped to bring him around and then also in
terviews with myself, and think Mr.. Ander-
son helped greal deal because Senator
Matthews represented to me that he said to
Anderson that he had finally become satisfied
that Packard understood better the wants of
parties down there, and was the proper man to
Matthews never represented that Anderson
had any.
Odd you and Anderson correspond a
good deal about this matter?
A-Oh, yes.
Q-You aud he had been good friends in
times past?
A.-AlWagshad been friends
Gin thu &onversaton and interviews that
you had vithSenator Matthews after Packard
A-Mr. Packard never was out of the road.
Q.-I will modify the question then. After
the time that you became satisfied that Packard
could not get the position then you argued
your claims?
A-This is peculiar administration. was
going to say that up to within three or four
days of Smiths appointment Senator Matth eWs
thought Packard's chances were very good, and
l represented to Matthews aud the President
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ment if he was as well satisfied as with nv
own so that really Mr.. Packard was never out
of the way because Matthews informed him
up to within probably two weeks of the APP
pointment that he thought Packard would get
it.
Q-Was it at that time it looked very well
for you to get tt?
Ayes sir, think probably that it did,
Q-Was that through the influence of Ssna-
tor Matthews for you?
Al only know this: Matthe VS. told me he
had one or two interviews with the President
in my behalf and that he seemed very favora-
BILE to me aud that would be appointed,
Q-Was not Senator Matthews at a certain
period of time after he withdrew his opposition
to Packard active in your behalf and did not he
urge uDOn the President your appointment?
Al can say nothing further than what Sem
ator Matthews told me- He told me he would
endeayor to influence the President in my fa-
vor.
Gin what way did Anderson figure n that
connection, as friend of yours POLITICALLY
L am speakipg?) Give US the whole story ia
that connection.
A-Anderson saw Matthews first in Pack.
ards behalf. At that time Matthews said he
did not think the President would appoint
Packard at ALL Within perhaps week or so
my name was mentioned to Matthews / had
an interview with Matthews and some of my
friends who were here in the city and he sug-
gested that possibly an appointment could be
secured for me and he suggested certain rec
0mmendation for me to get from home and
from others here which l did and got some rec
concentrations down there.
Q-You got recommendation from Mr.. Eos.
ter and Corwin and others? s
Ayes sir, and several Republican members
not in the city but outside.
Q-You had just been turned out of Congress
and you thought you had pretty good claim?
Ayes sir.
Q-But the question am more particular in
inquiriog about is what service Anderson rem
dered you or was expected to render you or
serve Senator Matthews in case you succeeded?
A-Mr. Anderson was in the last campaign
and had served the Republican party and had
claims on it as he represented and as L believe,
and had at some previous time been promised
by Senator Matthews assistance to secure
something for him (Anderson) When he
came over here and saw him in behalf of Mr..
| Packard he represented that he did not desire
| any office for himself, but Matthews had prom
ised him on previous occasions that he would
| endeavor to assist him. He said, 81 want
nothing myself now from the administration
| and the government. have done my duty to
the government and want to see you or Pack
ard appointed and will go up and see Mat
thews and get him to do the best he can for
yOu," which he did.
Q-Do you remember how often Anderson
came over hear from Philadelphia; mean, of
course, last winter, January or February, 1878?
A.-Mr. Anderson is employed on news
paper there and he came over sometimes every
Saturday and sometimes every two Saturdays.
He would come to see me frequently and some
times stopped at the same house. L think
saw him once week or once every two weeks,
certainly not longer than three weeks.
Q-Do you remember Mrs, jerks being here
about the same time?
Ayes sir, she was here little earlier. 1t
was published in the papers that she was here
and that she had the Sherman document
Q--She was here claiming to have the Sher-
man letter?
A-She told me she had
Q-What was she doing with it.
Al could not say. My impression is that
Packard was home at the time. 1 remember
that he and came mp together after the re-
cess He had to 60 home on business and was
Mrs. jerks came here the latter part of Jan.
uary and think the day after she came, so she
represented, she came up to the house and call
ed me into into an ante-rOOm and stated to me
that she was DESTROYS of assisting Packard in
securing the place and that the administration
did not appear to consider the claims of the Re.
publlcans down there who had served the party,
that Packard would appoint men to serve the
party, and good men. and she offered her SER
vices; that is, she said she might be of service.
In any case she said she was going to see Mr..
Sherman. 1 think she said that, and that she
had an agreement or letter. She said this let
ter was written by Sherman, and that she
wanted to use it, if it could be used, to help
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matter and told her she had better see Mr.,
Kellogg or Packard or somebody, and think
that was the last saw of her. The newspaper
boys got hold of it and they hunted her up and
it was all published in the newspapers But 1
remember distinctly of her telling me- at our
first interview that she had the documents. 1t
may be that she was representing party that
had them, but think she said she had them.
1 did not want to see them myself At that
time it was being talked in the newspapers and
know that it was published that Sherman
had given such a letter. 1t was matter of
considerable comment in the newspapers.
Q-Did you ask her to let you see the letter?
A-Oh, no.
Q-You did not care to see it?
A-No, had no interest in it,
Q-Packard knew that she claimed to have
the letter?
Ale was not in Washington at that time
but he came later.
Q-Didn't you know from the conversations
with Packard afterwards that he knew what
bearing she was having on the fight for the
Ain conversation with Packard think
remember talking about her going to assist or
something of that kind, but whether she saw
him or not never heard.
Q-Packard knew Mrs. jerks was here help.
ing him?
Al am not positive we ever spoke about
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