Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1878-06-30
Florida in that capacity during the count, was
appointed Lieutenant in the regular army,

Black and Vance, colored men, election officers
OF the Archer precinct, OF box No. 2, were ap-
pointed the former in the custom house at
Philadelphia, and the latter q messenger in the
sixth auditors Office, J. w. Howell deputy
clerk of Baker county, was appointed collector
of customs at Fe1nsudina.
By Butler-From whom did you get the first
information that the Packard government WAS
to be broken up or overthrown2 A. The first
information which / considered reliable re-
ceived from Stanley Matthews, some time be-
tween the 18th and 25th of February. 1877.
called upon him in his room at Wormley's and
had conversation with him. told him had
called to see him because had heard that Gov.
Hayes, when he should come to Washington,
intended to stop at some private house, and 1
want, wanted to to s express the tn. hope that he
some hotel, SO as to avoid jealousies
that arise in such cases. He said he thought
Gov. Hayes would stop either at Judge Swsins
or Senator Shermans. then said, IS an ex-
eG.e for coming to hin, on the t subject that
until the 4th of March, and then, I said, he will
take care of himself. Senator Matthews re-
piled, "Since you take so much interest in
getting the new administration so we'll started,
wish you would do the best you can, or use
your influence, to prevent President Grants
recognizing the Packard government"
That remark at once excited my attention as
it VISA the first tangible evidence had had that
the dlshonor and dishonesty which afterwards
followed was completed. said it occurred
to me it would be about the best thing if
Grant should recognize and establish the
Packard goyernment: He said no. because if
decision of his predecessor and would not be
at liberty to change or disregard it. I replied
that thought that would be about the best
thing that could happen, to have the recog-
milton abs1lute by Grant. SO as to give no
option to Hayes, but to give him the question
as an adjudicsted question. he said no, that
is not the best way, 1t is the intention to
have the Nichols government recognized.
Then, either at the same time or in response to
an inquiry from me- he said the intention was to
have the Hampton government recognized in
South Carolina.
His language may have been mo, the
Nichols government is to be established" But
| said to him: did not see how the President
could help recognizing and sustaining the
Packard government when the Hayes electors
had been chosen by the same votes, and had the
little. He said he had been looking
into that, and there was difficulty about it,
whatever; that be had ascertained while the re-
turning board canvassed the votes for the
Presidential electors the votes for Governor
were canvassed by the legislature, SO
that the electors and governor their title
from different sources. reSlied I'LL the re-
turns were returns established by the return
ing board, and there were no other legal returns
in the State, that the legislature had canvassed
the vote, and declared Packard elected from
those returns. then suggested another diff
Guilty, that if Nichols and Hampton were rec
ognized. two three Democratic Senators
would be the result, and we would probably
then have Republican administration coming
into power, with Democratic Senate. He re-
piled there would be no trouble about that. 1t
would or had been arranged to have Republican
Senators from those States.
Q. Did you have any conversation with
Senator Matthews after that? A. l saw him
at Secretary Robeson's the Tuesday before the
9TH of March, and stated to him l thought
Packard would be sacrificed by that arrange-
ment, and dissented from that policy, stating
| enphatically if Packard was not sustained, I
would never maintain the honesty of Hayes.
Evarts, Garfield, Kasson and Mccormick were
present. Kasson tried to Justify the policy,
and Evarts and Garfield said but little in as
sent or dissent.
Witness subsequently called upon Gen. Gar
field. who told him Of the conference at Worm
leys hotel the object of which, he stated, was
to see 1t some arrangement could be made by
which the Packard government could be aban-
donded, surrendered or given up. Gen. Gar
field. witness understood, had memorandum
OF the conference, which witness would like to
see. Witness was at the executive mansion
with Gov. Kellogg, between IL and IL o'clock
of March I'd, just before the cabinet
assembled, and carriage drove up, and
Gen. Sherman, Gen. Dennis0n. and Gov.
Hayes got out and went into the executive
mansion and, witness was afterwards informed
had an interview with Gen. Grant. Never
heard that the dispatch Of Sniffen, private sec
rotary to President Grant, dated March 1st
was received by Packard until the afternoon of
March I'd, and not until after the dispatch Of
Sherman, of March I'd, to Augur, was received.
Butler then read an extract from the speech
made by Representative Foster, and said he ex-
pected to be able to show who wrote it, but he
suspected it was written by Southern Demo.
GRAFT.