The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1878-07-13
NO FRAUD, NO CONSPIRACY.
The Democratic Plan to Teuorize Re-
publican Parishes.
MORE TESTIMONY FROM WEBER.
An Association in The Louisiana Senate for
Corrupt Purposes.
wAsHINGroy, July IL. 1878.

The investigat committee met at eleven O'CLOCK,
Mr. Potter, Mr. Springer Mr.. Butler and Mr. Hiscock
beng present
Senator William P. Kellogg was recalled, and hrs
examination begun yesterday was resumed by Mr.
Butler.
In response to question the witness stated that
he was not In New Orleans time tho MacNeagle
ominission came there
O. Plsase state whether, In your opinion, the legal
Legislature and government OF Louisiana could have
maintained Itself II It had boen recognized by the
administration?
MT. Hiscock objected the question unless It was
defined what meant by being recognized by the
administration.
Mr. Butler said he meant whether 1t treated
as the federal administration was bound treat any
legal government in any State.
KRLLoGG's OPINION
The Witness--I have always been OF the opinion
that II President raut had continued TO recognize
Nj. PACKARD q he had there would have been no
considerable i11clty In maintaining his authority
/ think tho Nichols government would have at
tempted to their jure claim by assembling
q some place and going through certain forms; bat
they would then have waited until the following 4th
Of March, when their future action would nave been
ntroled by the result OF the Presidential eecton
but committees OF Congress- had beeu appointed 10
Investigate the whole matter President Grant preferred
10 leave matters in satu quo until their conclusion
was reached. Consequently when Packard was nau-
gurAed opposition knew iull we'll there was TO be
\ discrimination against him, and that emboldcned
lhsm 10 resort they would have resorted
ID had they believed no TO be sustained as had
been. believe II President Hayes had Immediately
recognized Packard Grant had recognized tho re-
publican government 1878 the people OF louisiana
would have acquesced In that result, believing that
Packard's title ncxtrIcabiy involved with Prcsi-
dent Hayes, and think 1t would have resulted In
some arrangement like the wheeler adjustment II
the recognition had been positive and unqualihed the
opposition would have seen to attempt any fdr-
ther opposition to the Packard government would
have brought collision withahe federal authori-
tiss and that both parties anxious TO avoid
that would have been In TACT another rebellion.
Q. II Mr.. Hayes had sent Official commun ication
TO Governor Packard stating substantially that he
(Packardl had been returned elected by the same Re-
turning Board that declared the Hayes electors
elected and therefore would DO recognized hold
ing by the title that the President held by, could
he then have maintained his governmentf A. II
President Hayes had notified him that he would be
recognized as the legally elected Governor Of Louis
lana, cod that he proposed tomaintan him with all
the power at his disposal. tho opposition would have
ceased In great measure In their efforts against him
addressed themselves to peaceful solution OF the
matter by some compromise and made the best terms
they could, Packard would been tame !.
BY Mr.. Hiscock-You mean by that that II 1t had
been understood that the federal government was
wiling TO sustain the Packard government by mill
tary force. then 10 could have maintainedp A..
Yes, SIR
BY Mr.. Buter-Do you believe there any more
legal right the election OF the Electoral College
Louisiana than there abe election oil Governor
Packard A. Certainly not.
Y Now we will 80 10 another matter. When did
vvu frat hear Of tho Sherman letterY A. Within q
year; cannot state more definitely heard some
time Ia iai before Congress convened that let
tor, said 10 DO written by Sherman Weber and An
doson had been found among tho papers OF the dead
man Weber, and Mrs jerks, by reason OF some sup
posed intimacy between herself aud the family Of
Mr.. Weber, had obtained possession OF tho paper;
aus IN urmnt,on contained In some letter I
csivcd while ut Chicago; do not remember iro IN
whom.
O. Dd you attempt TO trace the ,matterg A. 1 did
pay much attention TO II until some weeks later
nsn Congress came snu
shout II, aud In November received lsttor from
Mra jerks asking my good Offices IN behalf Of her
HUSBAND brother In obtaining position Tor him IN
tho Custom House; that letter has been destroyed,
but there wns something In referring 10 some docu-
ment paper Of the kind that sue knew Of: 10 my
reply 10 letter alluded 10 the TACT and asked her
u IL was the much TAXED OF letter or something OF
that KIND; received AN answer from Mrs. jerks.
which has already been made public, In which sho
stated that Anderson should never get hold OF tho
y Did you see Mrs. jerks asainr A. Yes. air; 1
saw her IN New Orleans during the holidays last win
conversation she stated TO gave the impress
sion that there oil that kind and that she
worry INTERESTED In the matter aud she, appsr
entity, was going TO tell me good deal more about
IT, and as sas busy ! requested her to 90 down 10
Governor Packards house and tell hun ABOUT H. re
marking that he wonld tell me what she said at some
future time.
q. bid you no, ask hor " she had a copy OF the
letter. A. think 4 DID, aud I think Suggested
tuat she had better snow II TO Governor Packard.
Y Did propose to show you copy Of the
iettcrs A. she hold a paper Ia her hand ana gave
me tho outline as supposed Oft saying that 1t was
would DO APT 10 write, aud vaguely gave me the sub
O She did no, Iet you see the papcrY A. No, sir
Y. Did shc claim that that vas the original paper
A. 1 do not thiuk sho did.
q. Did she state that sue know where tho original
was that she had 10 under her controlf A. got
impression that she had the control OF 10 that
10 was accessible TO her. though that may have bcen
incorrect IMPRESSION did not either the copy
or tue original, aud that all had do with the
matter; | had some conversation aitcrward with
Governor Packard In regard 10 hts information In The
matter, and further than tnat know nothing.
v D,a snc call on Governor Packardf A. Yes, sir;
Governor Packard ana myself did not attach any gfe.
importance the conversation and ms regards myself
DID not care 10 20 into the subject AS IL was mat
AsDsRsos coSrRADicrnn
The witness WAS then questioned by Mr.. lliscocx In
regard 10 the statements made by Mr.. James r. Au-
aerson In bis testimony gwen before tho committee,
ssa he pronounced the statement made by Anderson
that tncrc was u conspiracy fV'med ~ New Orleans
between Governor Kellogg aud other to carry tho
election by fraud entirely untrue.
The " itners--So tar as my knowledge Is concerned
khow Of no conspiracy whatever; know, however,
that when Anderson lett tho parish no sent letter to
ne from Bayou sara enclosing an affidavit stating
tain prominent democrats IN the parish OF East
Eciiciana.
BY the cnairinap-Have you got that letter or
a1idavuf A. nave not; the aflldavit sent TO
tue olce OF the New Orleans Rpabiscdn and certain
extracts were printed from 10 aud thcy omitted 10
return the original piper; the letter must have
psen left tbs GovernOr'b Uilice with the other OIL
cal correspondence, ana 10 should DO found there
q Mr.. Anderson has stated tina, on one occasion bio