The Leavenworth weekly times., 1878-03-21

for have been engaged in the Judiciary
Committee room during the whole debate
on this bill, aud have heard none OF it-l
whether the claim has ever passed upon by
the Committee on Claims OF this body.
Mr.. INGALLS,. The Senator from Ore
gon can answer.
Mr.. MITCHELL. answer the Senator
from Ohio that il, has been passed upon twice
and received the unanimous approval OF
the committee both times, once year ago
and again at the present ses-
son OF Congress. The Commit
tee on Claims considered it when all the
members were present, and alter thorough
investigation it received the unanimous sup
port Of the committee, as also did the report
accompanying the bill:
Mr.. COCKRELL. When was that unan-
imous report OF the committee?
Mr.. MITCHELL. When?
Mr.. COCKRELL. Yes, sir.
Mr.. MITCHELL. have not the report
here, but when the bill was reported, when
ever that was.
Mr.. COCKRELL. / do not think the
records Of the committee will show unan-
imous report Of all the members OF the COM
mittee.
Mr.. THURMAN. What want to know
is when did Mr. Holiday sustain this dam
age? zoe,
and 1865.
MI. THURMAN. When was the claim
first presented to Congress?
Mr.. MITCHELL. l do not know, but
about ten or twelve years ago.
Mr.. THURMAN. Was there any report
on it then?
Mr.. MITCHELL. 1t passed both Houses
in different shapes at that time and Tell In
a conference committee, i believe.
MIR. THURMAN. Has there ever been
an adverse report about it?
Mr.. MITCHELL. There never has been
from any committee, nor has either House
decided adversely.
Mr.. INGALLS, That is all the more
reason why this committee ought to make
some report in this matter.
Mr.. MITCHELL. The committee has
made report.
Mr.. INGALLS,. What?
MIR. MITCHELL Has the Senator from
Kansas not read the report in this case.
Mr.. INGALLS,. / have that in my
hand.
Mr.. MITCHELL. Then why does he
saw the committee should make report
when they have made report?
Mr.. INGALLS,. i understood the sena-
tor from Oregon to say that the COMMITTEES
on Claims had unanimously reported bill
In favor of Mr.. Holladay. II i 30 under
stood him / want to know what they have
reported.
I do not know that / understand the Sena-
ator from Kansas exactly. 1 perhaps
might with the same propriety state that
the opposition he is making to a claim
which he himself has stated is just
Mr.. INGALLS,. am not opposing the
claim.
Mr.. MITCHELL. And in reference to
which he has said that Mr.. Holiday suf-
fered large damages that the Government
ought to pay-I perhaps might with the
same propriety say to him that the opposi-
tion his is evidently making to the claim is
eyasive and in bad faith and untrue, or he
has taken the liberty to say that the action
| of the committee has been evasive and all
that kind of thing; but l would not say
| that; / do not desire to say that in refer
| epce to the Senator from Kansas
Mr.. INGALLS,. am very much Obliged
to you.
Mr.. MITCHELL. But the Senator from
Kansas wanted to know Of me, as one mem-
| ber of the committee, why the Senate Com
| m,tlee on Claims has not made reportin
this case. l answered by stating
| that NV understanding was they
had made rather voluminous re-
| mort in the case. He still persists, What
have thew reported; what bill have they
| reported? Well, l presume they have re-
ported the bill that has been under discus
| sion in the Senate for the last two days
| which is a bill sending Mr.. Holiday and
| his claim to the Court Of Claims, and the
| reasons why the committee reported that
| kind of q bill they have SCI forth at length
| in the report which the Senator from Kan
| sas now holds in his hand. do not know
precisely what the information IL that the
| Senator wants, but if he will specify the
particulars, attract my attention to the pre-
else points upon which he wants an expla-
nation from the committee, then ], as one
member of the committee, will answer, so
far as may be able to do. -,
There is no mystery about this thing
there is no evasion; there is no deception,
so far as know. 1t has been plain, open
transaction from beginning to end. The
case Mr.. Holiday presented years and
years ago to Congress. 1t comes up again
It has never been finally acted upon; and
now the committee have said to the Senate,
| inst "A the Senator from Kansas said 70 the
| Senate a few moments ago, that, unques-
| tiouably, beyond all doubt, Mr.. Holiday
has a lust claim against the Govesnmeni
for some amount-a claim, As stated BY the
| Senator from Kansas few morents ago
| that is lust and that the Government ought
| ~ nav. The committee have decided that
| II & immaterial whether 1t vas . unani
| nous report or nos. It is a report OF The
| committee, and there is no adverse report
| Rut thew have said, in addition to that
| that. this being large claim, We will moi
pass upon the amount Of the claim, bqt We
viii leave that mstter to the Court d
Claims to determine.
Now. IL the committee have evaded any
thing. il they have acted in bad faith viii
this claim, or If there il any mystery about
this thing, ! should like to know it. And
Am ready TO answer, 80 far - one member
of the committee is concerned, any question
that the Senator from Kansas will submit
upoa which be desires information.
Mr. INGALLS,. i wish to knoy tn,
3mOUOI tQdt tue COAluittcC lOuu0 AAIs A1O1
lsday entitled to.
NJ. MITCHELL. Have I not statet
over and over again that the committe,
did not pas upon that question, and the,
felt that they were not at liberty to pas
upon that question upon ez Poste testimony
They thought that upon that question the
Government should have the right to b
heard, that the Attorney General shOult
have . standing in court with the right to
call Witnesses, with the right not only Z
eall witne.ses Of its own, but the right =
call these very men that made the afidavit
in this case, II they are alive and can b
had. and put them under cro0-e1amina
/ tioo in order that the very truth may b
arriyed At BY the Court of Claims.
M. INGALLS,. Mr.. President, an
not Going to AK any more explanation
iron the committee, for 1 am quite conf
deut shall not get them. The Senator
from Ohio [Mr. Thurman] desired to ascer
tain whether the committee bad made am
i r.rort on this case. He undoubtedly de
G;red to know, - desire to kDow, vhetbe'
~ eommittee had reported the liability 9
~ Goverpment to NJ. Holiday u0Aes h