New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1878-08-02
PARLLAMENTART AMENITIES.
LORD DERBY VS.. LORD SALISBURY
EXTRACTS FROM THE DEBATE IN THE HOUSE Oh
TORDs ON IrrY 10


LORDS ON JULY IS.
Lord Derby-When | quilted the Cabinet
In the last days of March, did account of de-
cisOn at which IL had arrived that 1t necessary
Mesrfansan ana that Tor such purpose was neces-
to seize upon and occupy the Island Of Cyprus.
to be done by secret expedition out from England
with without the OF the Sultan. although,
doubleday, part OF the arrangement was that fus COM
pensaton should be made TO the Sultan for any loss OF
po, %en pc n me sc gu oDy
now say that cannot reconcile t TO nay conscience,
and without the consent OF the sDlfan party
the seizure occupation OF his territory by friendly
Power. l0ppOsition cheers Nothing, tom mind, ex-
cept absolute necessity, could Justify such an
event, and no such necessity was either alleged
II the step had been taken. when 1t was first de-
termmed upon 1t would have startled Europe.
arms Of Russia. and Il wonId have brought about pre-
cisely complications which for months before we had
been doing our utmost to avert and which my noble
friend claimed credit for our efforts in ayerng. I'm
doubtedly 1t would have been followed by Russian
army entering Consantinople IL Is more tnan three
months since expr ssed fear which, judging nom
subsequent events does not seem to have been nn.
but rushing into war Hear, hear endeayored at the
Lne 10 Ihuuee the u0yeIh5eht 70 eer uo
csQn, and am heartily glad mat mat unfortunate res
0lutiOn was modified. L need hardly say that my lips
closed on that subject long negotiations were
going on Hear hearI have heard the most extraya-
CANT and improbable assigned for my retirement
but that the matter has been settled and there Is
harm to be done by stating what s merely histor
cal aet thought owed 10 myself To avail myself OF
ster TO state what my reasons were Hear, near. As
the occupation has taken place with the consent Of
the Sultan no doubt the great objection which enter
tanned is largely met.
LORD sALIsBURY's DENIAL.
Lord SalsburY-N0w, my Lords go to the Island Of
Cyprus In respect TO that Island we have the advan
tage of revelations from the dark interior OF
the Cabinet. In fact whenever noble friend speaks
be has revelations TO produce aud he brings out IN
instruments everything which has occurred in that fatal
The objection to In regard TO my
nobe friend as was made 10 DR. Oates as he was bring
Ing nIf gup
tainted with not having brought out some portions OF
before. On being asked the question: Dr. Oates replied
that ne did not know how much the public would
dure Cheers ana laughter ventured TO point out on
previous that there great Inconvenience IN
these revelations the interior OF the Cabinet. OF
course my noble friend is liberty treat these mat
tiers In the way he does but would ask him TO consider
the position in which he places himself do not know
whether he desires TO announce 20 every person who
may hereafter succeed him IN the Cabinet mat ne must
DE prepared 10 have everything reproduced. In the
present can only say that the statement which my
70 to take the Island Of Cyprus aud position
the coast Of SYRIA by secret expedition, and that
that the ground on which he left the Cabinet Is
statement which, far my memory goes Is not true
oh 9 dSd % 10 Is as S SGer nv noble friend
intends TO impute that have stated that which is not
Lord GranyiIe-I wish also to express hope that
hatever statement the noble Marquis makes will be
in accordance with the practice OF this House. and that
he Will not use supplementary language deposition
eheersl
the word used did not necessarily imply an imputa-
ton on the yeraeity OF toe spsakrr -,
Lord salisbury substituted the words mot correct
and certainly did intend TO any imputation on
the veracity Of my noble friend wish say that
this IA not merely my yiewif 10 was should have
more hesitation In putting 1t forward. may state.
behalf OF my noble friend, the Prime Minister, the Lord
Chancellor the Secretary Of State for India the Chan
ceor OF the Exchequer the First Lord OF the Admiralty
the Home Secretary and my noble friend the President
OF Council. that The statement made by the noble
Earl lately the Foreign Secretary, Is not correct
THE CHARGE REITERATED.
Lord Derby-May be allowed a word or two OF ex,
PLANTATION upon personal matterf My noble friend
who has Just spoken has made statement which bears
upon myself While readily accept his correction OF
his words, when he said that he intended to charge me
with nothing than want of accurate recOectiOn
think that the meaning OF the language which he used
carried him considerably beyond tGat point. But my
my noble friend which his deliberate intention and judg
ment would not support What Lave to deal with Il
distinctly and positively repeat the statement which
made as what passed One knows thar business ofthe
paper aud therefore there may be room for considerable
confusion and ambiguity But when retired from the
hOldthat the decision OF the Cabinet what stated
short time That decision may have been modified
not given IL their absolute sanction; but nave
stated what passed 10 the best OF my ability Ihat am
nave only remarks 10 make The hrst Is that as TINS
was the decision which left the Cabinet, IL is not
likely that would forget IL and the next is that
may be able within few hours 10 produce memor-
auduu of what understood TO be the policy OF the
Cabinet. ..., 1900
From the Pan MAJ Gdzstts (Cghserratirel.
whoever reads with open and attentive mind the
speeches delivered by Lord Beaconsheld and Lord Sails
bury yesterday evening. must come TO the CONCLUSION
that even those statesmen themselves understand that
the DAYS OF their triumph" over and that they
look hencefOrth period OF distress and humiliation
Both speakers betrayed a thorough consciousness OF
failure the past aud OF future pregnant with troubles
though different the are, OF course the feeling
was differently manifested While the 0ne-DOw near
the end long bur mol so near but that he may
witness the natural consequences OF bis policies and no.
policies during last three years-whlle tue aged Pre-
mier we suy spoke tone OF apologec dependency
the Foreign Secretary broke into totally different style
OF discourse. Tue consciousness OF failure, the
yrospeot OF disappointment which sObered the
one mind into something like gloom. stung tue
other INTO an exhibition OF what in ordinary people
would be called the coarsest insOlcnec. When Lord
Granville asked what the Government proposed 10 do
with Cyprus what its Qualities Of soil and climate
Lord Salisbury told him 10 home and study the EncJ-
clopada Britannica. When Lord Derby sald--as IN tue
state feeling France he hlu better have
said-that time tic binet proposed not only TO
seize and occupy Cyprus, with without the Sultans
permisson, hui TO In Ike manner point on the
SYRIAN coast Lord Salisbury fatty replied that the state
ment was untrue. And not only did he permit himself
10 20 far that but he deliberately compared the
sfatemens his late colleague with those OF the most
tnTnmous liar and periurer known English history.