The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1878-07-22
HAMILTON FISH.
Quiet Chat with the Ex-Seoretary
at the Seaside
GRANTS THIRD TERM.
The General Does Not Desire
Another Nomination.
REASONS WHY.
REASONS WHY
President Hayes unWiSe Step in Removing
Arthur and Cornell.
WHO WILL SUCCEED HAYES?
Amusing "reminiscences About Tweed's
Surrender.

straying down from Long Branch 10 Spring Lake
and thence Sea Grit the good forture OF
Ing Mr.. Hamilton Fish, who with his wife, enjoys the
gorious breezes OF the Economically situated Beach
House ut the last named charming resort, and during
chat,y conversation OF two hours and bali Mr..
FISH said many things which will be read with IN
terest by the people OF New York, ana which am
enabled 10 reproduce for the benefit OF the HERALps
readers.
INTERVIEW FISH,
asked Mr.. Fish, who was quietly smoking cigar
while he watched the beautiful moonlight glimmeriug
ON the superb expanse OF in front of Beach
House, what he thought OF the attempt TO up
eral Grants possible renom nation for third
great bogy.
al feel certain" Mr. Fish replied, sahat General
Grant does not desire a reconciliation and neither
he nor any OF his friends have anything to start
this discussion. l do not beeve any OF his friends
had anything to do with bringing forward this idea,
although, no doubt thousands Of his friends through
out the country desire to SEQ him reelected Presi
dent"
lis not General Dodge, OF Iowa, who started the
matter by hts letter. friend OF General Grantr'
"It he Is the General Dodge know" Mr. III sh
laughingly returned, 81 sat with him Congress
under the Presidency Of Pierce aud always knew hin
rs democrat But II seems as II the democrats and
disanected republicans the only ones who try
ing to make Grant the republican candidate, and If
they persls, they may make him Presdent Tor their
bitter cutlery against him now before he any his
friends have even thought Of SUCH y thing, must
force him upon public notice +" ce ~
You really believe that General Grant, in his own
heart, docs desire another term OF Office Mr..
FIshf"
i DO, most sincerely. General Grant tthis was
said In rather enthu tone for reserved .
man as Mr. FISH Is she most simple, unassuming
tho most unsensh man have known all my life l
know-nobody could know It better, Tor 10 no one did
he speak the subject unreservodly and init
matcly-tnat whom Grants second nomination was
broached he did not desire It. he wanted 90 back
to st. Louis, hts farm. He indifferent 70 It
rs thatI" (Ar. Fish snapped his angerl
III Grant docs not desire q third term why ala no
decline IL At tho end oil his second-why could he
never be brought 70 say that no would DO third
term candidatef" Ne4
GRANT WOULD NOT BE Driven.
"Becauss the agitation was started before the nom
inaton had been offered to General Grant The
newspapers and the men who started tho movemen q,
wanted TO drive Grant into declaring that be would
never accept what had been offered 10 him,
and General Grant II not TO be driven into
anything He would not be driven-that was all.
He did not desire his third nomination. he had not
wished his second"
.swna, do you think, theu. Of tho fear which has
been expressed that Grant will make himsslf a king
and SGT up On American monarchy if elected for a
third tsrm?"
Mr. Fish laughed heartily. "Graut a kingi" he ex.
claimed-''a monarchy in this countryS Pshaw |
It Is not worth talking about Grant. tho simplest,
the plaincst man for q really strona man--and no
QUO deny that no 10 u strong man--l have ever
known in all my le Why, am In constant cor
respondence with General Grant, aud only few
weeks ago I received letter from him in
which te tells how much more he
enjoying tho latter part Of his "Trip In which no
has not been delayed so mucn with answering
speeches In non English speaking countries know
from all hts letters that he has taken these
tentions any other light than as a compliment to
mis- country. He knows that they meant not so
much for himself Tor tho country he represents "
After pause, and in answer 10 remark Of your
correspondent Mr. Fish said, "Grant is no fool and
he who takes him for one makes a sad mistake"
THIRD TERN PRINCIPLE.
"Do you think that the third term principle IL 4
dangerous onef"
"wel, all ! can say about that" Mr.. Fish very
quietly replied, 'is that If the people man Tor
athira term they will have h,m-thats all. There rs
prohibition In the constitution which prevents IT,
IL often said that all great Presidents wore sat
isdsd with two terms; but look ~. Our arst i've
Presidents all left their second OF Office as old
They were ali about sixty-s sixty ei ght
years old, or therelbouts when they out OF Of
fec. At that age a mans ambition IL satisfied. More
over, they all had been actors in our Revolutionary
and had been long before tho country that they
might well have thought the country had had emo
OF them by that time fake Monros, Tor instance he
was a captain In the Revolutionary war, Ithink, ana
when he left Office no had boon before the country
nearly atty yearsa period time sufficient to satisfy
any ambition. No President was over elected at 80
young au ago as General Grant"
"Do you think, theu that II our drst hvo Presidents
had been muc1 younger men they would have boon
elected Tor a third term?r
"Possibiy some OF thom mieht-with the exception
OF General Washington, who, believe. would not have
accepted IT. lie never showed any signs OF ambition
Why GRANT wILL NOT nv NOMINATED.
"Do you think II PROBABLE that General Grant will
be the republican candidate, although no may not de-.
sire ~"
al dont--ior the reason that man has ever boon
nominated President whose nomination has been
talked OF three years before" Mr. Fish then. with
great wealth OF historical usiration pointed ut tho
various contests for tho Presidential nomination In
which invariably some new, almost unheard Of CON.
promise candidate vas nnaIly taken. and particularly
at the nom nation OF Polk, Taylor and Pierce.
''But, pardon me, Mr.. Fish. was not Grant talked
Of three years bsore his FIRST nomination 20
.No," was Mr.. Fish's reply "Grant was nomi.
mated the fall OF 1865, and would take us back
to the fall OF 1855, wniie Grant did not turn up
prominently as tho probable candidate until John.
sons later quarrss with Congress, when Congress
took all the power from him when 1t could take ano
placed II the .nds Of the General Of the Army
Mr. Fish here gave an interesting account of the vel
known enactments by which President Johnson g
power was crippled, showing how windy his memory
retained all the events Of that surrng time
TaE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES
The conversatloo tbsn turned on shc prospects Of
the election. MI FISH thought u looked az " the
democrats would possibly carry tho senate but the re
pubcans might still win The House. II the democrats
uon both houses they would undoubtedly 20 boiors