National Republican., 1878-06-13
IN THE TOLLS.
Continued from Fra PuOc. !

ADlntvG-A. Yes.
Q. Did you not fail because /. was found
that this would not mend matters "A. |
suppose so.
z. Aud you were willing to owe your place
rs collector Of a port to a periurer, loafcr, and
blackmailer with forged documents "A. so
You state.
Q. Aud you arc sorry you failed "A. OF
course.
q. Did II not surprise you that man like
Mr.. Matthews, Senator, man Of power, an
eminent lawyer, n relative of the President,
visiting statesman should employ such q man
as Anderson as his messenger "A. Yes, II did
somewhat surprise me.
Q. When you first saw Mr. Matthews he
wanted you to get indorsemcnts9--A. Yes he
had written to Governor Yarmouth TO find
out about the suitableness OF the appointment.
q. Was anything said about those papers at
that interview "A. No. sir.
q. Did you not surmisc that Anderson, who
had just come from Mr.. Matthews before you
went there, was the impelling power which in
duced the Senator TO work in your bchalf?-A.
Yes; suppose So
Q. Did you not know that Anderson had
written q letter to Mr.. Matthews telling him
that he would be over to sec him and suggest
a candidate, or words to that cffect2-h. No I;
! knew nothing about that.
q. Now / ask you again whether you do
not think that the impclling influence, which
was supposed to move Mr.. Matthews in your
behalf, lay in these papers "A. Well. l knew
that 1t was owing to Mr.. Anderson's influ-
euce with Mr.. Matthews
q. And that influence was owing TO those
papers2-A. | suppose so
q. When was the next interview "A. Some
days after the first.
Q. Were the papers mentioned at that inter
view?- Yes.
Q. By whom were they first mentioned2-
A. BY myself.
Q. What was the conversation "A. said
that these papers were in existence, and that
the original and other copies had been offered
to parties in New York. Ho told me he had
some information from Democratic Senator,
and said SO far as he was concerned ho did not
care whether they were purchased or pub
llshcd or anything else done with them. We
then spoke more especially about the Sherman
letter. and he said he did not believe such u
document was in existence. My candidature
for the colectorship was then discussed, aud
my impression is that Mr.. Matthews said that
II were appointed Anderson was to give up
those papers and forcgo all his claims upon Mr..
Matthews. This is about what passed.
q. Who first spoke Of the Sherman letter in
that interview "A. l have no exact knowl-
edge about 1t.
q Whod doyou recOllect first spoke about It I?
"A. suppose l did, as | first spoke Of the
ptPeio' put nave no recollection ABOUT IL.
Mr.. Butler tcontinuing)-Whati information
did you give to Matthews about the Sherman
lettert-A. gave him no distinctive informa-
tion.
q. What information did Matthews give you
about the Sherman letter-what distinctive
information "A. remember no distinctive
information he gave me.
Q. Then you talked the matter over rs of
something you were both very familiar with {?
A ha ri nd to niv 4 1an
of the conversation but am unable to do so.
q. After Anderson told you he had all tho
papers, and they were about to go into the
hands OF Tilden or some of his friends, you
told Matthews and informed him if you got
your appointment the papers would all be given
up, and specially the Sherman letter. for the
relinquishment Of which you pledged your.
ing March, aud up to the time left Washing
ton not less than once every ten days.
q. When did he first tell you that your can
didature was not successful "A. think An
derson told me.
q. Then when Matthews saw you he told
you that you were all right. Now, are you
sure you never saw Anderson after the tclc-
gram Of April. l9?-A. think ! am not sure.
II could fix the date | went away | could
tell.
q. Then he didn't bring the papers in obcdi-
ence to your telegram of April 10. You in
vited him to bring the papers, and sent him
passes on the Goth of March.-A, Ny impress
sion is he was over here early in March and
had the papers with him.
q. You sent for the papers only because you
had a curiosity to see what they were? And
he came and brought them. Did you ever sec
them but once?-A. Only once.
Q. Did you at that time satisfy your curl
0sity PA. | did.
q. In all this correspondence there was but
one telegram, in answer to which he could
have brought the papers because his wife was
sick and he couldn't come over here "A. 1t
was after April and before the 18th that saw
the papers.
Q. What did you want to see the papers for
after the 18th of April2 Your candidature
was then over, and you had also satisfied your
curiosity rs to themp What was your object
| for seeing them on this occasion "A. cannot
answer AS to this discrepancy Of dates.
q. There is no discrepancy at all. Why did
you telegraph again for them?-A. l can't
| tell.
q. You had just been beaten. Your caudi
daturo was closed. Was not your mind then
| in better frame to sec them on account of youl
| failure PA. did not want particularly to Sc,
them, but thought they had better be brought
| over.
q. And you thought that was q good tim,
for Anderson to pitch in. you having been in
/
verseyY-A. | thought that 1t was best t,
have the papers here. Packard wanted to Sc,
| them.
q. But you and Packard had both been beat
en- then. When you first saw the papers yol
didn't think they were of much consequence
did yOuY-A. didn't think the Matthew
| letters were Of much consequence
q. Where did you first lay your eyes on tn,
papers "A. In my office. The ouly other per
sou present was George l.. Smith.
q. Who elsc?-A. No one but Anderson
Smith, and myself.
q. Smith was candidate PA. ] dom
think he was then. lie only became a candi
date until few days before his appointment
q. Did you read all the papers "A. Per
haps not at that very time but read then
all during that day.
q, Now, | want you to tell me whether
when Anderson brought you the papers
whether he at any time left the papers witt
| you. Did lie leave them with you and g,
away "A. The papers were always in hi
| possession.
| q. Won't you state to me all that you gait
| when you read the papers "A. There is moi
anything fixed in my mind Of our converse
| ton on that occasion. There were some re
marks of surprise by Smith that such docu
ments existed.
q. You were not surprised "A. No. sir.
| q. Were you surprised at anything you saw
or heard said on that day?-A. ] was surprised
that Matthews had been SO foolish as TO writ,
such letters.
| o. But Anderson Ind told Won the gheruo,