The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1878-05-21


believe General Grant would countenance IL II no
were here To-day II tho time should ever come when
y, snoulu overtake uenetal uraht ho thi
hili would vote cheeruiy for any bill 10 relieve him,
but until that time let him rest.
NEW AND USwIsE POLICY.
Mr. kIRKwooD, treiAl OF iowa, opposed the whole
Dill, because u proposed TO make new departure IN
tho policy OF The country. IL proposed 10 establish
new policy when did not believe wise one
II all our disabled aud wounded sol iiers should be
put On tho retired list people VINO owned farms would
nave sell them to pay the bill He referred 10
men who had lost both feet or both hands or both
eyes IN tle service and were entirely helpless, aud
sad u tDs bill should pass II would pace General
Shields above them. He aid no, believe that Was
right
Mr. DAVIS, (ind Of H., said he had known General
Shields ali n.s active lie. He had high regard Tor
his character and his gaiiantry. and sympahzed with
HIM IN his sun rings General Shields had served in
the army about ivo years only, and he MR. Davis
could not say there was any OCCASION now Tor de-
parting from the well established rule IN regard TO tue
retired list OF tho army 10 make an exception IN the
case oil General Shields. Tho principle ufon which
the law Tor the retirement Of officers rested was
long service He would vote for increase OF
pension Tor General Shields but he could that
II was right to place MIN the retired list when the
Law SAID man must nave served iorty years 10 b. re-
tired Had he been IN tho House OF Representatives
he should have voted Tor General Shields or Door
keeper, because politics sat very lightly upon him
mr. Davls) ADD no would not have had any body 10
quarrel with HIM about tho vote.
GOOD FAITH.
Mr.. LAMAR, (dcm.l OF Miss, sid II always gave him
upon gallant soldier where there was any ndica-
ton That such was tho Will o the people.
He then referred to tho amendment Of Mr.. Sargent
aud SAID had he (Mr. LAMAR tnvught IL was brought
Tor any improper motive he should not have voted
tor it. but no supposed II was submitted IN good faith.
ara therefore voted tor It. II the mouvc, however,
to dctcat tho bill Tor the reei OF General Shields,
no would cooperate N such movement no further.
. now saa sa s
try owed this recognition 10 General Grant, From tho
timc he enicrei the war OF tho rebellion until
he lett the Presidential chair he did not believe EN-
cral Grant ever had more sincere irond ihan him.
sell. and 1t was not air to say that compliment
offered 10 Scott and none offered 10 Grant was M
tended to reflect upon him. In reply 10 the remarks
OF Mr. Hill said IL the result OF this amendment
would be to cut OIL General Grant from any active
participation in public affairs prevent I'M from
cepting any honor tho country might bestoW upon
him he would not offer It, but placing him on the re-
tired list would not have That elect.
Mr. HILL SAID General Grant neither asked nor
needed reiief, but General Snelds did.
Mr.. SARGENT SAID tho American republic owed this
10 General Grant. He was travelling in Europe.
Whether he would BIO poor when mat trip
over he mr. sargcnp did not know
MT. CoCKRELL said tue amendment OF Mr. Sargent
had been adoptea by the Senate committee Ol tho
whole, and he now gave notice that when the bill
should DO reported 70 the Senate he would reserve
that amend onL and call Tor vote upon He To-
CURED Of the Senator from California MIR Sargent)
WY he had not introduced the biii 10 retrs General
Ora nj before, as he was so much In favor OF II.
Mr. SARGENT said 10 DC frank, nc had no idea such
bill would be passed. Now was tho opportunity 10 do
jusHco 10 General Grant, He thought the opposition
10 mis- amendment grew out OF the fact That 1t would
sui further call tho attention OF the American people
Mr.. WIrnERs (dcm.l OF Va, argued that tho re-
publican party mad been In power tor years II had
lnujority in both houses of Congress- and could
high regard for the military skill of
General Grant, but no ala not nsed the
relief proposed IL he should need IL he (ME Wthers)
would cheerIally vote for IT, General Shields was
poor and broken down, but General Grant was max
ing the tour OF Europe, ieod by kings ana princes.
Should poverty ever come upon him the soldiers who
surrendered TO HIM at Appomatt0x Court House anu
VINO were told by him To take their horses homo with
them TO cultivate the crops would remember those
words
Mr. VOORHEES, said tho statement OF tho Senator
from California Chr. sargenu that he offered his
amendment In good faith OF course btnding upon
the Senate but ON previous occasion that Sens
offered an amendment 10 break down the pilI. Mr.
Mr.. Sargent on the 10Th OF April proposing to retire
General Grant ana many others, aud, continuing his
there WIS no proper honor which the government
could pay him Tor his military services that he would
not concur IN, but he drew wido distinction
between the military career and civil career OF
General Grant Again referring TO The amcn dment
submitted by Mr. Sargent on tie 18th OF April,
he quoted tho Names aud when he reached that OF
benjamin. f. Butler he looked toward that eentlem a.
vine occupied seat near 10 Senator Barnum and was
engaged IN conversation with him, aud, continuing
hts remarks, SAID, after quoting General Buffers
name, the impossible task was undertaken TO retire
that distinguished gentleman. he was more difficult
next read the name OF Carl Schurz on the isi, and
said:- 81 dont wonder that tho Senator from Cali.
lorna wants 10 retire him. Will aid the Senator 70
retire him. Rstircment would improve hm
on the principle that distance lends enchantment
to tho view" (Rcnewcd laughter) retiring
spirit has seizea tho gentleman from California.
Mr. Voorhees, next read the name OF Charles Devens
on the list and said :"rhat Is the Attorney General
believe, OF whom Wendell Philips spoke 10 such an
aIectonato way.n Continuing his remarks Mr.. Voor-
hecs said after that amendment OF the 10Th Of April
nc thought Tho senator from California was an OBJECT
of suspicion. Ho spoke Of tho moods OF General
Shields, and said there werc men now WITHIN the
sound oil hts voice VINO knew he had 10 pawn tho
sword bis country gave MIN .0r '1s purpose ., PAYNE
rich man. Poor people did not travel over tho land
with IN escort like princos Hc was surprised nj
Senators the other side opposing the bill
Mr. BLAINE said II had been stated that the republi
power ana could have passed bill rettr-
ing General Grant nj any time. That true
STATE OF tho case. This tho FIRST year coulc be
brought forward since he ieft the Presidential char
lie mr. Blane) was willing TO vote for General Grant
60 the retired list aud ne ready to vote for
the oil the amendment. Ii no should be paced
on the retired list II wouu leave General Grant to
disposed OF by the people, and that would be done
mater what the views OF either s,de ot tho Senate
were. II would not be any great block in his way
that Senators on the other sdc OF sho chamber with
q single exception tMr. Lamarh had voted against
placing his name on the retired list Applause Ia the
MR. TmURMAS'e REMARKS.
Mr.. THURMAN, oil QUO, said lar as his limited
personal Intercourse With General Grant was con-
ccrncd had been exceedingly pleasant, but he voted
against tho amendment 10 place MIN upon the retired
list upon principle Ho referred 10 tho policy of
England and Franco In giving largo pensions 10 OIL
GERS aud sad that had never been tho policy oil this
country Our idea had been that the people would no.
ward by public distinction tho officers OF the army who
disting ed themselves ana Inc government should
pension the private soldier, aud in this respect
went much furincr than any other country on tho
Taco OF tho earth. This country had bestowed upon
General Grant all the honor 10 could bestow upon
him Twice he had been elected President, and tho
salary OF the Office doubled Tor him. IL would not do
10 say republics uugraeiul certainly not, that
the American republic was ungraeu, with this record
before tho people. ho spoke Of the amendments OF
the senator from California as u log-roling amend.
ment, and said no could imagine that II General
Grant the hgn-sprltcd man his trends claimed
bin 10 20, he would scorn 10 be cnrrIed through In
TINS manner. II he mr. Tnurman) was disposed TO
favor Ench q measure as proposed by this
amendment no would vote SOM on the amen dmcDI,
SO that II could not said, General Grant, you got
this reward from tho American Congress because yon
we're tackled 10 tho tail Of the shields Kite" Con-
tinu.ng hts remarks, he said much as no
valued the services OF General Shields nc would not
vote for the bill without some mssviogs as TO its
beng bad precedent but he would vote for the bill
as IL came from the House upon tho ground that the
cass was wholly exceptional. Ito would greatly
prefer that General Shields' pension DO made ndc-
auaie to his wants.
Mr. DAvis--I viii sustain you In that.
The PRESIDENT pro tenn. announced Mcssrs Allison,
Window aud Eaton on tho Conferences Com ittce on
the indian Appropriation biil and Messrs. Sargent,
dorsey aud DAVIS (Wcst VIrgIniaj as tho Conference
ConinIitcr on the Pension Apr Cpriation bill