New-York tribune., 1878-02-01
THE GREAT BRITISH DEBATE.

surrounding districts.
THE GREAT BRITISH DEBATE.
FoRCIBLE SPEECH OF MR.. INSTRUMENTATION
FROM LORD DERBY.
LONDON, Thursday, Jan. 81, 1873.
The House OF Commons was very crowded in all
parts this afternoon, by persons anxious listen 10
the debate on the Governments motion for supple
mentary vote, many peers and foreign representa-
tivcs being present.
Sir Stafford NOrthcOte, Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer, in the of replies, said that the Gov
ernment will not object to furnish the House the
correspondence respecting the Gladstone Negroponts
incidents and that at the latest adyices armstice
had been signed. The Russians are still advancing
southward, but the Government is ignorant TO
what point they have reached. Mr.. Bourke said
that he had learned that the telegraph line between
Constantinope and GalliDoli is cut.
Mr.. Forster rose at o'clock, amid the cheers Of
the Opposition, to move his amendment TO the vote
of credit, declaring that the House no reason
for adding TO the peoples burdens By voting addi-
tioual supplies. He said that he would not have
brought forward the amendment were he not con-
vinced of its absolute necessity. The vote de-
manded by the Government was unprecedented. Ii
it was the duty Of tie House to vote money when
wanted it was the duty of the Government to
say what it was wanted for The only information
the House had was that the Government intended to
flourish the vote in the face of the forthcoming
Congress on the Eastern question. The inerpreta-
tiou gwen TO the motion was that the Government
thought the peace conditions were unsatisfactory.
lie could lind nothing in them calling for suspi-
ciOus attitude on the part OF Great Britain
nothing endangeTng British interests. Ii Russia
desired TO take advantage OF her victories to alter
existing treaties concerning the Dardanelles that
wish was only natUral but Prince Gortschakoff had
said he regarded this as matter not t9 be settled
by Russia. Mr.. Forster then arTaigned the recent
fore gn policy OF the Government, and declared that
they were not entitled to tins vote as vote OF con-
dence, and did not need 1t Tor any interest OF the
country.
Mr.. Forster spoke an hour and half
The GOvERNMENIs DEFENCE.
NJ. Cross the Home Secretary said Nlr. Forster's
speech was intended to create the feeling that there
was party in the Government, which
desired the credit in order TO apply it TO war
like purposes This imputaton he distinctly denied.
He also declined to admit tnat the vote was in
tended as a general vote of confidence. All the
Government asked was that the money should be
granted which might be necessary, and that it be
given in the full confidence that it would
be used if absolutely necessary. The Government
had never sweryed from the policy OF Lord Derby's
dispatch of the 9th of May. He characterized the
speeches made against the Government outside OF
the House us lying speeches lCbeers from the Min
isterial benches He commented on the delay in
making known the terms OF peace and the colnc,-
dent RAPID advance Of the Russian i ioTgeT T. and md
Turks, but by the Russians; lie Sked where was
the strategic reason for the Russian advance on
Constantinople, when the bases OF peace were a.
ready accepted by Turkey. He taunted the Opposi-
ton ianid a storm of derlsye shouts ot withdrawn
OF being friends OF the Russians, and maintained
that seeing the Russians still advancing, the Goy-
ernment was bound to pcrsevcro IN the vote. The
Government mUSt exercise The right 10 be heard III
the final settlement aud If 1t be heard at ail tmst
he backed by the estimate now submitted. The
Governments only Object was suOstlhtia! ana
lasting peace. lie had not believed utll he saw it
that this amendment would he put, but he had no
dor5t il would be defeated by an overwhelming
majority m
Mr. Cross spoke an hour and twenty minutes. The
House was very lively during both Mr. FcrSter's
and Mr.. CrOsSs speeches and there were cheers and
connter-cheers from either side of the House.
Sir Wilfrid Lawson Libcral, opposed the vote,
and cOntendcd that the proper course OF TIE Govern
nent was 10 go To tue country and set the opinion
of the constituencies.
Mr.. Bright Liberal lamented Six Stafford
Northcote's tone in giving notice of
supp!cmentary vote. He had spoken
though the freedom of the Christian provin-
ces of Turkey was opposed. to the interests Of
ENGLAND Mr. Bright hoped e6,0G0O00 would not
lie used to restrict that freedom. He thought the
terms of peace contained nothing that should alarm
the people feed orr discreditabc Jealousy OF Rus
sin or istifV the Government IN entering confer
euce with an attitude of menace II tie Govern
mcnt adhered to the old policy OF chcriSlg enmlty
asainst Russia they wOu!d bcqueath legacy ot war
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of growing lasting friendship with cne OF The great
est empires.
The debate was adjourned until tomorrow
1HE BRITISH GOVERNMENT PERpLEXED.
In the House of Lords this afternoon, Lord Derby.
Foreign Secretary in reply to n question, said he
had no information concerning the armi'tice; hc
had lust seen Count Schouyaloff the Russian AM
biss1dor, and he had none. He Gorl Derby saw
confidential communication from Prince Gortscha-
Ln1 to Couut Schouyaloii, saving he was at loss TO
explain the delay Certainly Turkey was equally
unaware of the cause. Lord Derby supposed that
an explanation of this perplexng situation would
soon be forthcoming.
I'm reply 10 the question, whether the occupation
ofCoustantnople by Russia alone, or in conjunction
with other powers, had been put Toward rs one OK
the conditions OF peace, Lord Derby answered un-
Le,itatinuy In the negative. lie said no proposition
had been made bvfus.ia that diplomatic sanction
shoud be given tn the occupation of Constaniihopio,
and no proposal had been made for JOINT occupation.
In the House of Lords this evening Lord Derby
said he was not of those who attached great i'm
portance to Armenia az involving British interests,
but he doubted the prudence of holding language in
this House which must be encouragement to the
Russians to advance in that direction iecouldnot
entertain the view that this war grew out of
a local disturbance in Herzegovina and had
not been planned before. The OONefnihents hTst
care would be to secure settlement ol peace WIN
the concurrence of all the EuTopean powers, and
when the terms of peace were known, they would
receive the deepest aud most earnest consideration
of the GoyemAcnt, one of whose obvious duties IL
would be to secure far as possible, equal (ustlce
IN Wobommedans and Christians. As to whether, in
view of the continued Russian advance England
still adheres 10 the conditions of Lord Derbys May
disnatch he said Il can only say that tho Coy
eminent does entirely adhere TO those conditions"
THE COMMOTIoN IN ENGLAND.
AN ANTI-RUssIAN DEMoNsTRATIoN-THE PARIIA-