Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1878-06-08
United States, was sworn and examined as to

United States, was sworn and exa mined as to
the identity Of the envelopes and their con-
tents already read, and examined by the COM
mittee as to the electoral returns and papers
connected Herewith which had been before the
electoral commission. Mckinney had been
the secretary of that commission. He recog-
nized and identified the envelopes and endo, Sc
ments thereon, some of which were made by
himself, and Others by B. Cattel and George
A. Howard. who had been his first and second
assistants. The letters N. c.. whic!a had been
puzzle to the committee, were explained by
him to be the initials of Nathan Clifford. presi-
dent of the commission. The papers were all
returned in envelopes by him to the president
of the Senate.
Blackburn, who had been absent from the
executive session, desired to be in formed as to
what had been done there. The chairman
far as they professed to be original, had been
compared with each other and with the copies
printed in the volume known as the Count Of
the Electoral Vote;' that it had been found
that the certificates which had been before
Congress and before the electoral commission,
and which were called No. l, were the certif-
Gates first executed and bearing genuine
signatures where there was but one
list of electors and not two, that is
where they voted at the same time for Presi-
dent and Vice President; and that it was also
found that the certificate which contained two
sets of electors, that is where President and
Vice President were voted for sep rately, and
to which Levisse testified yesterday that his
name was forged, had not been printed in the
count Of the electoral vote under the head of
certificate No. 3, which its number but
that No. with some triaing alteration had
been printed as No. 8.
McNIahon-You discovered in addition that
the ginal paper No. l had but one list Of
electors.
The Chairman so stated.
Observation-Disclosures, the improper returns
had two lists in accordance with the constitu-
tional requirement.
The Chairman-The fact is that the certif-
cate called No. l. printed on page 2O5 of the
count, is certificate that is admitted to be
genuine, and that certificate called No. 8,
which Levisse testified that his name was
forged is not a copy of No. l, the difference
between the two being that one contains the
vote cast for President and Vice President in
one form Of certificate, while the other has
| them separately in two forms.
Cox-That certificate, No. 8, has been before
the electoral commission, and has been printed
as part of its record. 1t does not appear to
have been objected to by anybody throughout
that proceeding.
ed at that time that they were bogus or forged,
and because there was no use in making obJec-
tions.
Cox-Mr. Mcmahon ought to withhold his
conclusions about forgeries and everything else
at time when the testimony is inc ON plete.
That is u matter which l suppose the commit
tee will pass upon some day,
McMahon-I thought it had been agreed
upon among the mem hers that the signature of
Levisse in that certificate was not his hand
writing!
The chairman-Mr. Mcmahon spoke merely
for the purpose Of destruction when he called
them bogues.
McMahon-Tnat covers all the ground reach
ed IN the executive session.
the Chairman-Yes, that covers it entirely.
McMahon-I wanted our friends outside
meaning reporters of the press) to get it in
the mass without getting it from members in
detail.
Cox-I would state, however, that if that
practice is to be allowed of mem ers asking in
open session what took place in secret session,
the usual understanding of secrecy might as
we'll be dispensed with altogether.
Recd-I shall understand, of course, it is dis
pensed with.
McAlahon-The proceedings of the secret
session are all spread on the record and will
he printed tomorrow. So there is no secret
about them.
Blackburn saw stenographer was taking
notes, and therefore assumed it not prop
erly the work of the executive session. The
chairman announced that Levisse, who was to
be further examined, had gone home for to-day,
and that another witness whom he had sent for
had not arrived. He also stated he had sent a
message to Senator Ferry, asking him before
the committee, and that Ferry had sent word
hat it was not convenient for him to attend at
present.
The committee thereupon adjourned till to-
morrow.