The New Orleans daily Democrat. [volume] (New Orleans, La.) 1877-1880, 1878-08-28

sHave YOU ever said that Matthews or some
one at the time wanted to insert in there guar
| antee against the punishment Of the Return
ing Board, but that you put IN simply the
phrase, Not guarantee immunity from
| crimeY"
Il have never said to any person that it was
sought to include the members Of the Return
ing Board In any guarantees nave never
said to any person that there was an attempt
to get in the Returning Board by name"
sfWell, you agreed to do all that you said
you would to Mr.. Matthews on behalf OF the
with his Republican brethren, or TO carry out
the constitution and the laws II he and his as.
sociates and the President OF the United
States would turn over the state OF Louisl-
hands of the Democratic Governor
| General there was no turning over; there
was no possession by the Republican parity,
swell, turning over what little there wasta
"There was no turning oyer; there ?, was to
be simply q withdrawal OF the troops" -.
! "Well, don't let gentlemen OF our intelli-
gence fence with words. I mean the giving
UP, the disintegrating, the letting down
easy'-anv OF the words that you suppose
Il do not recognize that there was Re
publican government at that time
| ooh, any way to get in Hayes and get Pack
ard out-that is the point. Was this oil you
offered to have Hayes put in and Packard put
out of the Slater
"rhat is what we offered for the es ta Isl
mRnt OF the NICHOLS ROV6IuIileuts we ILhu
nothing to do with Hayes"
Gen. Butler with great emphasize
YOU not agree to one thing more, that, III adj
dition to putting yourself on paper, you
would not oppose, you and your associates
would not oppose the counting In OF Hayes!
Major Burke did not answer directly, and
the General repeated his question with even
more emphasis, and added: ANSWER, yes or
no." Then Major Burke answered: I'VE did
aeuuiesce in the withdrawing Of opposition
to Hayes after the Democratic party had
adopted resolution to let the count go on
without dlatory opposition"
Gen. Butler said: II did not ask you when
, or how. I assume that 1t was done in their
very best and most intelligent manner
] "Did you not agree, at the same time, in
some way to exercise your ability and that
of your associates to have the Democratic
party cease their opposition to the counting
la of Hayes us party measureF'
awe did assure these people that we would
. use our endeavors. SO far rs they could go, to
remove the opposition to the final counting in
of Hayes"
"And, like honest men and good citizens,
> YOU carried out your agreement"
9 eve did that as soon as we got advice from
/ President Grant that MS soon as the count
was completed the troops would be withdrawn
t from our State, and we would come in possess
sion of the State government
[ "Now, then, sir, the next thing that hap
}, pened after you submitted these points
2 whom did you see upon this subject? q
: 'We did not come to any agreement at that
= time It was the result of q conversation
s my simply placing this statement In Mat
thews' hands to use as Republicans for our
q advantage. 1t was placed In his hands on the
! eighteenth"
estate the conversation
n Substantially 1t was this: | said to Mr.
q Matthews that we were inclined to believe his
= assurances and those of others of Hayes
q friends, aware of Hayes intentions toward
. Louisiana. yet we believed that Hayes would
. be unable to carry out such policy if he was
q opposed by the strong leaders OF the Republi'
+ can party and that we feared more the strong
: Republican leaders, like Sherman, Garfield
+ Morton and others, than we did Hayes. We
:. felt that Ii Mr.. Hayes was inclined to carry
!; out such policy he would be unable to do SC
), in the face of the opposition by his party
Therefore, that the guarantees and assur.
ances that we required should come from the
party leaders, who would be enabled to hole
4 up Hayes hands in carrying out, such
g, e policy; that with this party united against
4 without that Cabinet It was impossible tx
q q carry out that policy Matthews said that ht
q could not speak for these people; and we thel
+ told him that we would place them in a posi-
u, !. ton where they could speak for themselves
"a that he could say to his party associates tba
70 we should seek to put their party in peril
% meaning to jeopardize their presidential can
, ~ didate"
. Gen. Butler-To prevent the count?
J. Eyes, sir, and prevent the count. It wa
. quite question at that time. With that vie!
{, we should advise our friends to join the fill
J. busters in order to swell their numbers t
a such proportions as would force the Repuh
r. lican leaders to agree to yield up Louisiana
+ and South Carolina"
+ "Whom did you see before the eighteenth Q
- i. February of strong party men OF the Repub
ican side, except Senator Matthews, befOr
- you wrote up these guarantees OF the memo
Oh randum?"
8, 'sI met Senator Cameron. 1t was not com
10 municated, except that general assurance
n were given in conversation with ditferen
re parties. The substance was conveyed to dill
q" ferent Republicans. I reeolect an interview
:. with Mr.. Cameron, in which went over sui
in stantally the same ground and indicated tn
determination of the Nichols government
Gen. Butler-Pass now to the next gentle
&c man OF the Republican leaders to whom yo
n, communicated the intention to allow tn
We bargain prior to the eighteenth Of FeE
~ ruary.
~ Major Burke after some slight objection t
It. Gen. Buffers phraseology referring to tn
O. bargain" said that substantially the sam
Il statements were made to Mr.. Foster, an
that they were made generally to members c
the Republican party to whom they had &C
at cess. But the proposition was only made
ne form to Mr. Matthews for the use Of his as
as socates Major Burke then gave an accour
n n Of the CONSERVATION created by the publica
ur ton of the article in the Ohio State JouYna
e, He explained the position OF W. E. Horn
lg through whom he was enabled to commun
u cate with Lieut.. Gov. Thomas l.. Young, {
how through this channel Hayes was mad
a. aware Of the determination to prevent tn
en- count, unless the State governments
u Louisiana aud South Carolina were secure
for the Democracy.
n Gen. ButIer--Your proposition was that 70
en- could stave off the count until after the fourt
ut, of March, and SO leave Hayes out, unless h
e. friends would guarantee Democratic ascen'
mt ency in South Carolina and Louisiana?
lat "Guarantee the withdrawal of the troop
which amounted to the same thing"
We 'Now, sir; did you and your friends pr
n coed to organize party to filbuster in spi
of the caucus resolution?'
ave did proceed by such representations {
we best could make with that view. Fort
wo one or forty-two men stood by us. This W.
er- swelled to ZIG, which was enough to preve1
the count"
to- In that state of affairs Major Burke saw Cha
III Foster, OF Ohio who was fully advised
the intention to oppose the count unless qua
er- antees and assurances were given that wou
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