Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1878-06-25

@. What had been your relations up to that
time with Secretary Sherman? A. Ihad merely
known him as member of the United States
Senate, and heard him debate very often, and
admired him. l had been introduced to him,
but do not know if he would have known me if
he had met me casually.
%. What reason could you have had on the
10th of November to deceive two of your init
you had never known? A. Secretary Sher-
man was merely one of the visiting statesmen,
and as such deserved honor at our hands.
had no desire to serve him particularly. l was
merely maintaining the dignity of the party.
If the letter had been addressed to Mr.. Slough
ton it would have been all the same. They
would have got guaranty. These were men
high in the councils of the nation and do you
suppose l wished them to know what a contem-
tible strata we had in the party in Louisiana at
that time. 1t was for the honor of the party.
I did not want them to know about it.
! @. Why did you give them forged docu-
| ment if they were your friends? A. Pardon
me, do not admit to that.
| @. Why did you then give them a false
guarantee instead of genuine one? A. It
made them feel better, and did not wish to
! insult the Statesmen.
balguarantee? A. did not know about that.
Weber simply said they had been assured they
would be taken care Of and protected. Sher-
man name was not mentioned in that whole
| matter.
@. Then why did you procure false guaran-
ty? A. Because it kept them quiet. Edo
not know that Weber wished to 60 back on us,
but know Anderson did. Sherman did not
know whether they would stand firm if they got
| guarantee, and if not the Democratic money
| would make them go on the other side.
@. So that you thought you would give
them false guaranty to keep them from &C
cepting Democratic bride? A. Yes sir. We
| wanted them. We did not want any trouble.
@. Who did you mean by ''we?' A. I
meant the party at large.
@. What explanation of your conduct do
you now give for having procured false guar
order to prevent insult being offered to man
who was an entire stranger to you? A. I
thought it would relieve their minds, and that
the visiting statesmen would leave, and that
would be the last heard Of it. I knew they
would not sell out to the Democrats in that
thought about what they would do with the
guaranty, after the 4th of March. If + had,
perhaps this committee would never have con-
yeued.
Mr.. Springer again attempted to get the wit
ness to state in whose hands the Sherman letter
was put, but she declined most emphatically to
do SO.
Gen. Butler enquired of witness if she had
any more of Anderson's letters and she replied,
Il may have some more" adding, by the way,
General how did you get that letter from Mrs.
Weber, Laughter. Gen. Butler, leaning
ms a the
reply.
In the. dialogue between Mrs. jerks and
Gen. Butler, the witness told Butler he
was very fowrey, and offered to tell him
more about her Anderson letter soon if he
would give her the information she re-
4uired regarding the course pursued by him to
obtain Mrs. Weber's letter. Otherwise, she
said, she would be compelled to refuse as he
did.
MIR. Springer again took the witness, asking
her about how long it was from the time she
left Weber to the time she returned with the
document. She thought in the neighborhood
Of three-fourths of an hour. She renamed in
the reception Parlor but about five minutes,
during which time she unconsciously bit the
trusted to her for delivery.
Mr.. Mcmahon referred to the correspondence
which had existed between witness and Gov.
Kellogg and particularly desired to know what
letter she referred to in her letter dated Novem-
Der 18th, 1877, in which she said: "Yes. re-
ceive by of Anderson's letters which en-
close that he values it very highly, and also
that he is not IN possession of the document,
and you be sure he shall never get it, or other
papers he deemi of value.''
Witness said she would produce more Ander-
l.
sent for package of letters which I think will
be interesting to your side of the question: al
though they are not couched in the most ele-
CANT language. He used the word damn and
all that kind of language in them.
Q. That is his fault not yours, and if SO,
they will sh>w that he is not good man. That
may be one reason why want them. A. An
derson is good enough. There is no use saying
anything against Anderson, and don you do it.
BY McMahon-You are not now under obi
cations to Gov. Kellogg, are you? A. No sir,
and never have been. 1t was a mere party
matter that he was seated. If he had been a
Fejee islander he would have been seated all
the same.
@. Do you mean to say that Kellogg did not
want this Sherman letter for the purpose of
enabling him to get his seat H9w would
inimical.
@. But he turned around afterwards? A.
Perhaps he did, but do not think that letter
had anything to do with it.
9: Was it not the Sherman letter that Kel-
1898 was waiting to1' Tor the PurPos; OF forcing
so.
@. If you will promise to bring us that let
ter of yours of the 9th of November 1877, |
will ask you no more questions about It, You
say in your letter that Anderson may be sure
he will never get that letter or any other papers
that were deemed of Importance What were
| bQcy! A. well, ne SalQ ne only Qau IQe
document, he could overturn the govern
ment.
Q. You were interested politically in KEEL
logg at that time; you wanted him to get in?
A. As a matter of course, as mere party
measu e.
you assured Kellogg Anderson should never
get. A. don't know. I never had possess
sion of the Stanley Matthews letters.
@. Did you know that Anderson had any
documents from Matthews at that time. A.
You know how Anderson talks.
Q. Yes, but l want to hear you talk now.
A. Well, hope you are edited.
@. Did you ever see the documents that
Anderson said he had from Matthews? A. No,
sir, he did not enclose it for my personal pur-
pose. I never had possession of them If
had, they would never have gone before this
| committee.
By the chairman. @. Was the letter you
dictated in part or whole written in ink or
pencil? A. In ink.
@. Was it legible or not when it was fn-
ished? A. That remains for others to dis
cuss. The chirogaphy was not elegant. It
never is, but might have made it out.
@. Have you ever read [any of Sherman s
letters. A. I never have read any of his
composition, except have read his speeches as
reported in the Congressional Record: am
familiar with most of our statesmen's style,
and if had read them once think could
initiate them.
@. Did you try to initiate his style when
you dictated the letter? A. Not his particu-
larly. It might have done for any one.
Q. The letter contained this phrase, ''Your
note of even date Do you use that phrase
when you write? A. Yes sir, very often.
abbreviate it in that way. As for the word
Hayes there, it happened to be mentioned
while was in the room, otherwise would not
have thought of such an august parsonage.
Q. Was the letter signed ~ .'Jno'' or
John Sherman? a. 1t was signed John
! Sherman.