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nor can anybody account for It. It a'int t.
be accounted for.
Mr.. Kerr-Well
The committee then took recess.
Afternoon Session

The committee then took a recess.
Afternoon Session.
On the assembly of the committee at the
afternoon session, Mr.. Doran asked the
Mr.. Stone, to read over that
part of the evidence relating to the pay roll
and vouchers which had been changed. This
was done at length, Mr.. Kerr listening at
tentively to the reading. At the conclusion
he said he he did not know that he could
make any other statement thad he had.
Sometimes Mr.. Couplin would hand me
pay roll to pay from, and it was my custom
to add them up to see if they were correct.
He did not know if he had the two at the
same time. He thought he had taken
the one and copied the figures on the back
of the other. The more he tried to explain
the more inexplicable it seemed to be. He
disclaimer all knowledge of the change of
figures inside
Mr.. Morton-But you did not pay out the
amount, 81, 226.27.
MIR. Kerr-No. I can see plainly that I
have posted up 5000 too much.
MIR. coUPLIN, SWORN, SAID:
l made out these pay rolls; they are in my
handwriting; they are made in pencils;
the'original figures are $1,O26.27; I cannot
say if I made the change; it is so long
ago, but that 9 does not look like the figures
I generally make. think the two pay rolls
were made out at the same time.
Mr.. Kerr think at times you were too
busy to make out the duplicate.
Mr.. Couplin-It is my custom to make
out the pay roll and duplicate and hand
them over to you. At first I made out but
one, but when you said you wanted dupl-
cate, [ used to make out the two at the same
time. My attention has never been called
to an error in either of these pay rolls: I
have never seen it since I handed it to Mr..
Kerr.
KERR RESUMES.
Mr.. Doran-Mr. Kerr, were you in the
habit of keeping your private account at the
same bank?
Mr.. Kerr--it was very seldom | had money
in the bank to my own name. For all these
years it was only once OF twice I had money
in the bank.
Mr.. Doran-But here is 5000 must be at
some ones credit.
MIR. Kerr-It was my custom to try to bal
ance my bank account once wear.
| Mr. Doran-Let me see the closing of
your account with the bank in 1869.
Mr. Kerr-This is the only record I have
| Ddilh CdSl lueEe are my
| footings
While Mr.. Doran was looking through the
bank cash book mot book supplied by the
bank, but one of Mr.. Kerr's) Mr.. Rice
directed Mr.. Kerr's attention to voucher 284
pointing out to him that S64.1O was due Mr.
Conrad Smith, that 1928 has been added
after the receipt was signed, making the
amount 1868. The receipt is for $64.1O
| Nlt,o 1,,tr TO 4l,1 oI<-
Mr.. Kerr-It is evident that it is wrong
that amount has been entered twice.
Mr.. Doran called Mr. Kerr's attention tt
the balance of $l26.1O not carried forward
and the 5000 mistake on the pa,
roll, making $326.1O not accounted
for. He asked Mr.. Kerr how
he can account for that money. He said be
could not account for it. He had all thu
time thought it right.
MIR. Doran-If you were 5000 or $500
ahead would you not be likely to know?
Mr.. Kerr should know at the end O
the year if all OF the vouchers were in, but
don't know at any time at the end of tn
financial year that ever had settlement
at the bank.
Mr.. Morton thought that not having
settlement with the bank accounted fol
much of the trouble.
Mr.. Morton-What appears very singula
to me is, Mr.. Kerr, how you could be hun
dreds of dollars ahead of the State and no
know. How that you could not know i
when as you stated at st. Peter that 70,
often anticipated your salary because yol
needed money, puzzles me.
Mr.. Doran addressing Mr.. Kerr, STATED
that it was a painful matter for him to fine
these mistakes and charges. There ar,
errors against the State of 1926, 5000, $13O
$3.50, and several others pointed out to yo,
| to-day, do you acknowledge that it is no
thu committees fault that these errors ar
found.
Mr.. Kerr-No. I confess these mistake
occur.
Mr. Doran-Then you owe the State tina
much?
Mr.. Kerr suppose so-it appears 81
there.
Mr.. Kerr was next asked about his con-
nectiOn with certain transactions relating tc
estates of deceased PATIENTS.
MIR. Doran-Have you usually been ap
pointed guardian to estates of deceased per
| sons?
Mr.. Kerr have been guardian twice
One has been settled up, but not the other
In the case of Nelson there is propert,
enough to settle up everything. There wa
nearly year 1 should have been out O
| pocket, and the asylum advanced me none,
to pay lawyers and expenses, and when 90
some money 1 refunded $40.
Mr.. Rice-I understood DR.. Bartlett to sa,
that you had collected some $500 in tina
estate three years ago and the asylum hat
been to an expense of $12O, and YOU had re
funded $45 only.
Mr.. Kerr-That estate can return all tn
money.
Mr.. Rice-But the point is, you have tn,
money, and why not pay it in?
Mr.. Kerr-That's all right.
Mr.. Morton-I don't think it's all right. i
you have had the money. Is that money in
vested?
Mr.. Kerr-Yes.
Mr.. Morton-Where has it been invested
Mr.. Kerr-It has been lent to -: that's
my private matter.
Mr.. Morton-It is your private matter
but 1t is a public matter so far as the ex
penses incurred by the asylum. Do you re-
fuse to answer that question? You have {
perfect right to refuse to answer.
MIR. herr-lt is my own private business
1t was shown from the asylum books that
1pMr. Kerr had received $500 from the estate
| OF charles Nelson; that the State had paiC
S134.55 expenses, and Mr.. Kerr had refund.
ed $45.
MIR. Doran-When you had this money
would it not be right thing to expect that
you would have refunded the expenses paid
by the State long before this?
Mr. Kerr almost wonder Mr.. Dryer had
not called my attention to it.
Mr.. Doran-Mr. Dryer had nothing to dc
with it.
Mr. Dryer assured the reporter he did
not know Mr.. Kerr had got the money
Mr. Doran again directed MI. Kerr's at.
tentlon to the difference in interest on scrip.
MI: Kerr-I don't know. I thought it
was right.
Mr.. Doran-You paid these amounts on1u