The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1878-03-20

ssme also making appropriations for detecting
pass on public lands in certain States and for other
purposes.
The Committee on Appropriations submitted an
amendment 10 strike out OF tho clause authorizing the
clerks tho words s'not exceeding tweniy.n and also
tbat uniting their compensation at 81 per day each
and the appropriation therefor at S. 800 as TO allow
the secretary OF the Treasury 10 employ temporary
clerks without mentioning tho number. and appro-
prang therefor $40 900 instead OF So 500 Agreed TO-
Another amendment, appropriating 81 900 for care
OF horses and wagons Tor the Treasury Department,
was agreed TO-
The Committee on Appropriations reported the fol-
And provided further where wood and land.
ana offered sale proper SUI divisions convenient Of
sss no money shall be asea 70 col
orr OF The United states tor the OF actual
Mr.. BECK, (dem.) OF KY. moved 10 amend the las.
line OF me amendment so as to 'not for sale
EXPORT, and IN support OF tho amendment argued
that men should not DO allowed go upon public land
and make timber IN article Of merchandise. He ia
voscd limiting The cutting 10 WOOD for actual only.
Mr. BLAINE said the effect OF this mendment. If
adopted, would DO TO prevent any man from using
wood unless lac cut It himself He read from recent
inlervew with the Commissioner oil the General Land
ONCE. published In the Now York Tribune, to show
why settlers should DO allowed the use OF timber &c
ME- NJ DAwks, !repl OF Mass opposed tho amendment
OF the committee on Appropriations, and argued that
every means should be taken 10 prevent people from
plundering public lands of timber.
SHARP TALK FROM rELLER
ME TELLER, lren) oil Col, said no had noticed,
whenever measure was proposed here for the inter
lance from The West docking toward Mr.
Dawes were the nrst to oppose it ana talk
wood rings Ia Colorado. aud no Mr. Tsler) did no
hesitate 10 declare it, the secretary oil the Interior
to the contrary Notwithstanding II Senators who
opposed these matters. presented for the benefit Of
the WesL would take the trouble to inform the m
selves Of the actual Of things section they
would not tax so much ABOUT thieving and robbery.
Alter some further discussion Mr.. BRcK modified
MS amendment 80 as TO provide that money OF the
amount appropriated shall be used TO collect any
territories OF the United States, for the OF actual
the Territory where the timber grew.
SPEECH OF BLAixK
:, Mr. BLAINE SAID no would accept that amendments.
lie was glad that the pending amendment precisely
and literally formulated The that grown up
on this question. A labored attempt had been made
Senate chamber tho timber thieves Of the coaatry
found defenders and apologsts under this cloud
OF presentation the real issue which he raised
be obscured and In the administration Of the law
Secretary OF the Interior had not been able dis,in
guisn between those who cut mass and spars from
public lands ON Puget Sound In the Terri
tory OF Washington. for. export 10 Europe,
TIMBER to construct residence or chop wood for his
winters hrc. The section now under consideration
contains an appropriation for detecting and prescott
Ing the one. and IT contains provision declaring
the other snail not DO disturbed. l support both.
am Tor prosecuting tho timber thief ana for pro-
tccting The settler, and this II IL prevails
viii force the Secretary Of the Interior to do
the Territory precisely what he had enjoyed from the
foundation OF the government; precisely what the
early settlers IN Quo and Indlana and Illinois
Michigan and Wisconsin and Alabama and Mississippi
aud Arkansas had all IN turn enjoyed and that priv
lego was simply only that until timber lands
were surveyed and offered Tor sale In tho
Territories the actual settlers might cut tim
Der for their own use aud not for export.
That tho. whole OF It, that was all the Montana
case presented that was Vii for which he had con-
tended Until 1S49. whom tho Interior Department
was organized tue public lands wero under control Of
a hAV udu1u rnA kV
Alexander Hamilton BY. Samuel Dexter, by Albert
Gaatin, by William II. Crawford, by Richard Rush,
Walker, and under each and all OF these great the
rights aud privileges now contended for always
the United States and II bad been the tho
public lands transferred to Tho Interior Depart
ment and he was sure that from Alexander Hamilton
down to Zachariah Chandler, the usage toward the
settler III the Territories was uniform unbrskcn.
NEW AND INDEFENsIBLE POLICY.
tally different and, in his (Mr Blane's) Judgment,
totally indefensblo policy. Ho regretted sincerely
that such ljudged and in.empsrate expressions had
characterized many newspapers In the East In regard
to this subject They treated all settlers in Territories
US thieves aud they arruigned him personally
elements OF Western society" Eastern papers
who induige in this foolish line Of contempt little
tire Communities In large Territories a. the "worst
eements OF Western society,"" Another paper, intend
ing to reflect myself. speaks Of these seasfs ~
''cents," using the word in An obnoxiously
onenslvc scnse. But accept the word and
Shall only feel too proud II the hardy ana
themselves my clients shall only feel too proud 10
appear for them IN any court before any presence
and TO relieve them. SO far can, from any oppres-
on them.
REMARKS OF MR.. SARGENT.
Mr.. SARGENT, OF California, spoke Of the timber In
tho Western States and Territories and said there
more timber the mountains OF California than
people had preserved It from fires. Upon the prin-
ciple which the Senator from Massachusetts, (Mr.
Dawcs) had advocated the State of Massachusetts,
would mover have been settled Provinciasm was
the cursc OF this country. Whom he should be asked
TO vote for $5Ooo,oOO 10 pay the fishery award he
would not say I'VE of the Pacific coast
have interest IN that and l will not vote
Tor it," Let the Secretary OF the Interior
employ all his spies to watch settlers OF the Western
States and Territories, and by exacting stumpage for
every cord Of wood, they would not bring az many
dollars into tho rreasury as no mr. Ssrgen) was will
Senators got here and asked Tor the people Of the
West the privilege which had been enjoyed by the
people OF Massachusetts, Vermont and other States.
they were sneered at and their wants measured by
some county OF Massachusetts. This provincalism
he was opposed to. IL was unworthy OF "a debate ike
this Western Senators were not 10 be turned from
thcir convictions this matter by sncers and state
ments that they desired 10 attack the Secretary
OF the Interior. No one thought Of attack
ing the Secretary Of the Interior until the
people OF the territories wore dragged before
the courts their property seized ana n1, .hsy
ers The policy OF the present Secretary OF tho In
terror contrary TO the whole policy OF tho govern
would 20 as far any TO protect surveyed lands
and punish men for stoaling wood therefrom. The
acon OF the Secretary Of she Interior was caused by
u desire TO gain cheap reputation as retormcr.
considerable Secretary instead Of turning the Interior
Department. into hncks,er shop TO peddle out wood,
would have called the attention OF Congress 10 the
matter and asked for remedial legislation.
Mr. DAWES, of Massachusetts,. said the remarks OF
the Senator from California (Mr Sargont wore as
much uncaed for by the debate as they were by good
breeding. and his illusions 20 Massnch usetts--
Mr. sARGENT-Will you please quote anything
said against Massachusetts. l deny that said any
thing.
Mr.. DAwEs-l have the floor and will not yiod.
Mr.. SARGENT-As yielded to The Senator from
Massachusetts SO frequently SOC that his good breed
ing does not correspond.
Mr. DAwEs-The Senator's memory is as bad as his
MANNERS.
Continuing his remarks In reply to Mr.. Sargent Mr..
Dawes sad II tho Senator voted 10 pay the S. 600 900
fishery award he would not DO for the benefit Of
Massachusetts. New England Massachusetts
neither asked for any special legislation, whether u
be Tor the fisheries ufactories They asked for
no legislation which not the interest OF the
whole country. he then argued that thousands OF