The New York herald., 1878-10-27
THE IRISH NEW DEPARTURE.
Proposed Alliance with the "0bStruc-
tive" Home Rulers.
MORAL FORCE COMBINED WITH PHYSICAL.
Views of Prominent Irish Nationalists-
Standing Of James Stephens.

which chronicled in the special cable despatch
from that city published in the HERALD OF Thursday
together with the action taken thereon by the Irish
natonaisls of the United States, reported in FRI
days HERALD, is the subject OF much comment among
irish population, and It is thought that the
few weeks will see a veritabis "new departure" in
Irish national politics. The change, II Is said by those
competent speak the subject will the shape
OF combination between tho advocates OF physical
forco aud those who believe in constitutional
agitation. such will leave the former FREQ 10 pre-
pare tor active white in the meantime giving a
reasonable support TO q digniled and manly demand
for selgovernment on the part Of the constitution
alists. II has been felt for long time by the moro
ughtiul Of the extreme nationalist leaders that
conspiracy would never achieve their ends and
that public policy necessary tnat the voice
OF the majority might prevail In Ireland. and real
public opinion be developed in the country. Tney
CLAIM that tho separatist party Is in tho
iority, and that It Is only tho policy OF abstenton
public life and the avoidance OF constitutional
agitation, which gives the apparent majority to those
who favor connection with Englan in any form.
LINES DEPARTURE.
"a new departure is necessary said prom inent
nationalist to HERALD reporter yesterday, ''if wc
are be properly understood by the world. and
especially by that portion OF It which is lnimical 10
England. We must secure the control OF the puolic
and to the local municipal bodies who will not mis-
represent us. We have never been properly repre-.
tod simply because since the passage Of the Bal
lot actor be fore that 1t was imposssible-we have
abstalned from interference in elections, except on
particular occasions, such as the elections OF O'Dono
van Rossa and John Mitchell for Tipperary, and In
these instances we demonstrated what we could do.
Now, Ireland be freed through the British
Parliament by constitutional agitation in any form;
but constitutional agitation ia means OF
advancing our cause, and We should avail our
selves OF It, The world judges us-and, above ALL
England's enemies judge us-by our public repre-
scntaves, and IN the times that are coming can't
use sending men TO ine British Parliament TO beg,
but send men there 10 protest before the
world against Eng lands right 10 govern Ireland aud
wnsn ali is ripe command our representatives
to withdraw from the British Parliament and meet In
uch means that the hole irish race inc world over
be aroused ana their active sy mpathy enlisted,
and when that occurs claim that the work IS half
done aud We can wat patiently tor the fesultn
'Do The Irish nationaiists intend TO abandon their
physical force theories and mainly depend consti.
Iutionai agltationY" asked the HERALD reporter.
Mot by any means We simply don't beeve in
little nsurractions that England can crush few
days weeks We propose that IN the event Of
Ireland shall keep quiet least Tor tlme
ply formulate her just demands, that The organ zed
nationalists outside OF Ireland snail actively assist
Engiano's IS enemies and hurt whenever md wher-
ever they can. They do TINS TO an extent that Is
little thought OF now This is our program me-peace
home, acuve aggression against England wherever
u blow can DC delivered TO the best advantage This
all can tell you iast now, and therc Is uss In
asking any more about it,
CONDITIONS OF UNION.
''To what extent. 10 you and your friends propose
TO support the active sectIon OF the home rulers led
by Mr. Parnell2'
"Me wont support them at all, except they give up
ansm IRON their pobcy. We don't propose, tor In
stance TO turn over the education OF Inc rising
OF wnom are the btterest enemies Of an Irish inde-
pendent nationality. Wswant sound national cdu-
cation tor all crceds and ciassef and We want 10 leave
the Pope to settle his political differences with Italy
without our inlerlcrencc However, on these points,
we shall be satisfied TO support men who differ from
US II their theories are LETT out OF the platform which
binds the party together provided they agree win
on essential points. Tnere arc moro pressing ques-
lions 10 be settled than the education question. The
land question Is tho vital one in Ire
land. and demands immediate attention Our
grievance with regard the present so-caiIed
national system OF education Is, that while ,ns
teaching really very good, II Is not national IN any
sense oil the word but the bishops offer ng
better The Catholic University wasted the peoples
money on iumlnaiions lor the Prince OF Waiss. ana
gives It's best proisssorsnps 10 English Catholics;
anu besides many oil the bishops the most per-
sistent enemies OF the national cause If they
with the people The national question We might Os
disposed to support them, but we don't propose to
make the Irish national movement engine for The
version vi England to Cathoncism. The Church
lis own work through ITS own machinery. abd
we don't care whether English rule IN Ireland Is
thoiic or Protestant We want TO put an END to
bishops; We simply object to have their
or other demands tackled on TO tns national plat
forms"
shave you the copy OF the cable despatch sent
10 DuDlin and published in Friaay's HERALD2"
'Certalnly. Tne conditions therein named arc the
only ones on winch the advanced nationalists here
will support Mr.. Parneil and his lrienas. They are
very reasonable, and think tney VIII be accepted.
We CONSIDER that II ParnelI his friends accc pt
these terms u era dawns for the Irish national
party, and that tns next election will give some
nty earnest representatives and some tu,ry or forty
more VINO Will vote WITH them TO Keep their seats.
In any Butps leadership ~ thing OF the past,
and his mongrel ederap scnems has iaiisn 70 The
N a ace nj iss vtI hmm
him, but not SO we'll. He is very good man and
means well 10 Ireland All of US respect him. but
have no faith IN o'Donnsli."
WORLD OYER.
''what are the prospects of the Irish national
ait is now q thoroughly united party the world
over, and q uuIon such as We propose with thc adj
much. Ia IL is effected look Tor stirnng times
"Is Mr. stephens still Al the head oi The move
mebtY"
.'Not at all He has been tho head OF oven
pectaoIc section OF since 1866, aGd his duy has
gone forever Those who ciaim 70 support him
amount to nothing either hero or IN lrelaud. Ine
Fcuian brotherhood Was practically dead years ago
aud gave its last gasp With the death oi Jonn Ma.
nony. Its not worth even the lew words have
waste upon ~, but soGe newspapers viii insist on
resuscitatiDg ITS ghost"
NM LuBY NOT A STEPHENS MAN
Mr. Thomas Clarke Luby, formerly edhor Of the Dub
lin Ltsh People aud autDor o several Irsh historical
works. was next visited Mr. LADY said he had very
nign opinion OF Mr. Parnei personally ana poped 10
SEQ hs opinions rpen IN time, but he had nsver had
any iaIth IN Mr.. BUTTS so.caied federal scheme lilo
mad considerable reserve In iavorlng any connection
with Parliamentary politics. bat thought that on tue
conditions proposed by the ma atonasts, " the Par
nefl wing OF the home rulers woua give guarantees,
Il would be sale to come 10 an understanding. III
pcIicve, with other natlonalists," SAID Mr. Luby,
''that mere conspiracy will never accomplish our
work. We must create n sound pubic opinion IN
ireland, and cant snord 10 mtsreptesentea. 1t
would immense Al We could control tho Par
amentnry nation ana tho local puDlic Dodes
but We shoud exact GUARANTEES With our expert
encs Of Parliamentary agitation wo snouid be very
care lui Ia uoaiing with IT."
.somc oi your nationalist friends. Mr.. Luby, have
idea " n majority OF the mcmUers OF Paria-
ment we're secured and the country werc otherwise
reaay they could meet In Ireland and declare them
selves Irish Legislature, the nationaiiss making
that declaration the signal Tor war oil independehcs.
Would yvv be IN iavor OF such policyH"
'Certainiy. Ii such a state OF tnings could lie
broughl about, especially u England engaged In
war, t would Ue tho proper thing TO 40 and the pest
means OF eniIsttng the active rympatby and CO.
operation OF the whole irish race IL would also give
US standing before the worli that mere insurrsc-
tIon would never give US !"
LAMEa srkrmENs NOT THE LEADER.