The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1878-06-08

appear before special committee Of the House Of
RePrese ptatives, OF which Hon. Clarkson N Potter
10 chairman, and to bring with him all books, returns
and papers 10 his custody Secretary Of the senate
in any relating election Presidential
electors In the STATE ranisiana IN the 1876
He states he obeyed ths sssp~-a and. In eonciusls-
SAYS
before The senate orsoI that deemed nsesss.ry
any similar cs.es that may hereafter arise
Mr. EDxuSDs. (rep) OF W., submitted the follow
ing
Ordered That tho Secretary the Senate attend before
OF the House Of ives
In the letter Of the with the described by
OF committee from time TO time. according its
convenience.
Mr. HoAR, (ren) Of Mass, said no desired for TO
sxpross his opposition to.ths order II the commit
Of the House desired these papers the proper way
10 procure them would have been for the House 10
request the Senate TO furnish them. II he remem-
bered correctly In England It was . breach OF priv.
lsge Of the house Of Commons for . member 10 ap-
pear before tho House OF Lords. The mode
OF proceeding suggested in this would mako
= bad precedent Tor the future.
Mr. EDMUsDs said the papers had been furnished to
the committee by the secretary, 10 which he did
OBJECT, aud, considering the attitude IN which the
matter was, he thought this the most convenient way
10 settle H. II might DE said that The Senate
the custodian OF the papers. tbore being
tue subject; but ever since tho izaton OF the
these papers hau been taken charge OF
Secretary OF the Senate and had been part OF tho
NOT THE PAPERS or THE SENATE.
Mr.. BAyARp tdenl.) Del, SAID lnat, hts judy
mvnt, tho error IN treat.oa these papers .he
special papers oil the Senate They belonged To tue
country and the House OF Representatives, 50 lar
the right 10 puUiic use was concerned, had as much
right TO them the Scnatc by the constitution the
presiding officer OF Tho Senate was the person TO whom
the returns The electoral colleges be sent,
but no provision was made for tho custody Of tue
papers alter count by the two houses OF Congress
NJ Hnan uutst ehn
mepts were IA tho custody Of the senate and tho
Senate had committed them 10 ITS secretary. Tho
committee OF the House OF Representatives. had ad-
| dressed subpoena 10 that officer TO produce them.
Tnis was not tns proper mode " procure he papers
IL should have been Wy request OF me House Vi Rep
ressntatives 10 the Senate
/ Mr.. BAYAKD inquired ny what law. under what
custodian OF tncse returns after they passed
upon by tho two houses.
/ NIX. hoAx said II was question AZ TO whether
these documents wero lawfully ia possession OF the
Senate.
| Mr.. BAYARD said tho independence OF each branch
oil Congress essential, 0ut he did think thus
was u where the Independence OF the Senate
attacked. There was no suggestion OF any attempt Of
The House 10 invade tho rights OF the Senate Tho
right to these papers vested The people OF
United States, and there was necessity oil the
| ate asserting IT'S rightt 10 tneir control
CoNKLINGs VIEWS.
| Mr. CoNKLIHG, (rep.) Vi N. r.. said, judging from
the letter presented by tho Secretary OF the senate
| he inferred that It might DO tho House had
transcribed IT'S rights anu trencned upon privi-
| ieees OF the Senate Tho subpoena was Addressed TO
the Secretary IN his Official capacity. and did 30 K
visit papers contesssdy the records OF the Senate
which the committee OF the House OF
had no rignt do; therefore the senator
from Vermo ont was proper. lie (hr Conklngl con-
Cured 10 much SAID ny he Senator from Delaware
(Mr. Bayard) TO the papers not belonging 10 tho
/ Senate Tney were transmitted to q
member OF tue senate, originally 10 hold custody
certain purpose. As the matter had brought
up he would take notice OF IT, but not upon theory
the electoral ceracates belonged 70 the Senate
/ or to the Secretary OF the Senate.
Mr. HAMLIx. rep OF Me., favor OF the promps
delivery OF papers to the House COMMITTEES, aud he
wished the Senator from Vermont (Mr. Edmunds)
would modify bis order provide all papers
Tor by tho House be promptly furnished though
proper channel. the House Of Representatives
Nr. AoAR moved that the order be referred 10 the
| Committee the judiciary.
| Mr.. WADLEIGH, (rep) OF N. h. argued that u was
| entirely irregular and improper for committee Of
the House OF Representatives. 70 call upon the Score
OF the Senate for papers No one objected to the
/ papers gong to the committee, but they should DO
| called Tor properly.
/ Mr.. BLAINE said there q very old sdage never
/ to take offence when was Intended He did
think any offence was intended Ia tn,s case. He was
In favor OF furnis hing all the papers asked Tor.
Mr.. THURMAN, (dsm) oil ONO, argued that the Secre-
had ac,d properly IN bringing this matter before
ns. lie isyored the adoption or Tue order Submitted
| Mo BLAME read tho subpoena duces teeum 20 secro.
tary Gornam which directed MIN appear before he
com isLec &C, and depart without the leave
the committee. Referring 10 the latter part he said the
idea shat the Secretary the senate depart
without the leave OF . committee Of tho House, al
though the Senate might need him every hour to sign
DO about gross absurdity NJ could he c0mmsiod.
| WORTH rHE TINE.
Mr.. WHITE, tdem.) Of Mu. said u was hardly worth
wasting timo Of senate upon this question OF
etiquette between the two houses, Tor that tho
Vermont (Mr. Edmunds) covered the whole case. and
therc could be Dotning moro proper than the
i During MS remarks Mr. wHYrx said tho Senate
would dare to roiuse 70 Surrender the papers
It's possession. should u do SO Senators would stand
be- lore the country condemned. They would iKo
persons having stolen goods &c their possession aud
refusing to give them up
! MIR. EDxUSDs saia The House committee had made q
mistake TINS matter aud the resolution submitted
/ Alter some further discussiou Mr. EDAUxDs modi-
| 1ed his order 80 ~ to read:-
Ordered all questions touching the regularity
OF the action Of the COMMITTEES Of the House Of Representa-
calling Tor the that the tho
senate attend before the COMMITTEES oftns House Of Repre-
shs papers described ~ commiiss and submit said
papers 10 the OF said commit.es om time 20
time according TO its convenience retaining however tho
custody Of said papers
Mr. HoAR withdrew his motion 10 refer TO the Com
mittee on The judiciary, and the order - modified
was agreed 10.
| THE ANDERsoN-wEBER AGREEMENT A oENU-
| me DOCUMENT EVIDENCE OF THE NOTARY
PUBLIC MRS. jerks IN THE sHlRMAN IN
rxREsr.
INK TELEGRAPH TO THE HERALD.
NEW ORLEANS. Juno Z, 1873.
Stanley Matthews, IN his statement 10 tho public,
says that tho AFFIDAVIT he has, made by Weber,
now dead, and Anderson, stating that thers
n iair election In Feiciaua, aid that
| Kellogg induced them TO swear Otherwise, was
forgea by the latter since the formers death Mr. A.
IA. seymour tho notary pubic before wnom the am
dsvIt made by Weber and Anderson, leit TINS
/ evening 10 testify TO ITS gcnuinsness
i JExKs.
Mrs Jenks was to nave ieit this evening for Wash.
ington " could raise the moaey TO 10. IL 10
derstvod she is in Shern,ans Interest, though she
| still refuses TO make any public statement.
THE PACKARD LEGISLATURE.
| MEANS AND ISsTRUMESTALITIEs THROUGH
wutru TIM aSpI.rrTfnu ArraM-