The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1878-08-14
BARGAINS AND z PROMISES.
HISCOCK AND BUTLER.
Efforts of Both to, Elucidate the Wit
.so s1 ness Testimony. .a.sal ,s.a

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Efforts Of Both to- Eluc;date the Wit
.so .4 ness Testimony. a.a1 .saa
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Mr. Prank Hiscoct, tho Hayes msmbsr Of The Potter
Investigating Committee, and NJ. stengsr, another
member who had bssa absent, srrivsd yesterday
morning ana at halfspass sisvea an hour afsr
shs time appoinsea--she pfeesedipgs wore resumed
Mr.. Potter presided The room was % ovsrcrowded
by politicians editors reporssfs iousgsrs and also by
large array Of street loafsss thas she atmosphere
became almost pnsnaurabie, and IL was really a
wonder thar nobody tainted during the session Of che
commfree. Az aai seG' I
.Are you ready, General Busls-sn Mr. Potter asked
General Butler. swirling hrs cigar in his mouth, al
am" 49,
COLONEL William II. Roberts, OF the New Orleans
Tiases was arst sworn and examined BY General
Butler. After rst asceraining from tho witness that
the New Orleans Times ono Of she most important
democratic papers the Ootton States Generai Butler
asxed him whether ~ was thought more I'm
por,ant by tho democrats or New Orleans to
carry She State sor tho Presidency Colonel
Roberts replied that the State was thought
70 far important than tbs national election
Tiidsn was thought to b elected, but Nichols had
run about thousand vosos aAead Of him. Louisiana
the republican party ana Tor that che people
particularly anxious TO the State for the
democracy. General Butter inquired whether the
people Of New Orleans know anything personally
abont Governor Hayes and he replied that In 1866
1s6s-he did mot remember whcb-Govsrnor Hsyes
came down 10 Louisiana % member Of suboo
ni.tes appointed 10 inveshsats Ku-kiux out
RACES ana then rode part State, talked
good deal 70 The people, proved himself good shot
add won good macy friends Governor Hayes was
unusually fair in his oinvosseations much % that
some OF hrs fellow republicans reproached him with
leaning toward tho other sidc ha9 rai laf9t
o. Tho wMness now went quite extensively into the
history OF the Republican investigating
m,ttccs that had visised Louisiana previous to the
last Presidential election Much Of this was irrclc-
want General Buter then preached the main topic
Of the day which was hts visit TO Governor Hayes at
Columbus an emisssvy OF the republican visiting
ssatesmeh, ono OF whom, job Stevenson. gavc him
Ioitor to Governor Hayes General Butler asked the
witness explain tho object OF his to Governor
,Hsyes at Columbus. ns.aef fssf.fifE tr~fs Va
WHY HE WENT TO HAYES
Colonel Robetts--it was considered TO be OF great
Governor Hayes would do, II Installed as Preslden
about the State government II was thought best
thst the mission should be Entrusted 70 man Of
political promnence out 70 CON parattvsiy obscure
man, bull one who understood tho English Ian
guaEe and would understand enough 70 keep hts
q To whom did that lot fair A. To me. believe.
The witness then related tho preparations Tor his
letter OF Introduction from Mr.. Stevenson OF Oaio
Governor Hayes UNDERSTOOD (iho witness had
10 beleye) that no tRober's) was coming 10 sec him
'rho reason why We were bitterly opposed to
she success OF the republican ticket" SAID Colonel
Robcrts, In answer to question by General Butler,
was that we thought II implied that the white people
Of Louisiana would remain in continued subjugs.
General Butler-By the white people you moan tho
democrats?
OsIopsl Rossrts--Yes, ssr because ninety moe out
OF "a hundred OF The white people we're dsmocrata
Colonel Roberts then told how he went to Ohio,
al. AK ~ Ss.. - :s;: ays
sidl. Rs was asked TO narrate tho convsrsatou,
NJ dis
NJ. Hiscock ASKED II his committee was to allow
an slamss. isssly o. now II tne republican party 10
throw mud At the President.
NOT THROWING MUD.
Gesesai Butler I. very lsw almost maud ies voice,
~ allow truthful witness 70 retail what preceded
his intsrvicw with the President Tor u would be
vsss.uen with CsioS:, ROBERTS, sdn,ssss ih.s no
knew what this conversstssn with Haisted WAS
Gss:rsi Butler aissi.%sa sns, 30 "a, We; ny1Says
for any purpose excopt 10 get a. the truth.
us u here in order 10 assertain said no, whether
aor tho votos had been put into the bsIiot box Gov
Hayes elected by lair count and return Of
tness votes 1t is In evidence that Mr.. Nichols on
tho OF the returns had 15 900 than the
Hayes electors, that Packard had TOW hundrcd
more that Tideu on the face OF the returns had
Geseral Butler here launched into some humorous
ealits 10 such low touo as to be inaadible He
spoke s1oo, the lightning striking twice 10 the same
wonderful preknowcdgs which the republican states
men had IN sending an cmlssary to Governor Hayes
not semi TO nldcn1 he asked; for ON the face
OF the re,ufns. ridden was the rising sun
round which all should have gathered. II was
. wonderful thing tina, these republican statesmen
Should not have thought u worth while 70 send any.
tho reason Tor this was that they know the Returning
Board would count ia the Hayes electors anyhow.
General Butler added IN an undcr.ons some JOKE about
further course OF the discussion General Butler
aiiodoa TO forgery" pracsisod on me louisiana re-
Mr.. H,scook-lt IS claimed that ths democratic obi
tor was sont 70 Hayes mn enisssry ofa republican
Rctur nng Board 10 mako advantageous terms Tor the
democracy. Now, II forgery was used TO put Hayes
and Nichols In, will you CLAIM that VIII oever com
mted she forgery aid SO in shc interest Of the democ
rscyY
Gouerai Butler--I ihisI they d,a. daughter,
Mr.. Hiscock-i submit that u tho object OF this in
vestgstion now 10 TO connect tho President OF the
United States with tho high crime oil forgery, the
committee are going Tar beyond the resolution under
seemed be the object OF the committee 10 impcach
seme OF Cabinet Ministers and tho Minister
France. but now seems 70 have narrowed down TO
Tho discussion lasted for long time until Mr.. Pot
ter finally gave u It's quistua
Mr.. PUTrER's DECISION. 4Ni
Chairman Potter SAID that Nh Investigation b. y
Congressman committee was simply an inquiry INTO
iscts and the results that might arise we're beyond
the scope Of their present business He thought that
the inquiry Dy General Butler was legitimate, al.
though tho question might havc 10 be changed. Ito
disclaimsd any intention oil conducting this uvosii-
Ralion with . view OF Impending tho President or
any members OF the Cabinet IL was simply " ascer-
tain facts.
Colsnsl Roberts was then asked again whesher his
conversation with Hastead referred 10 by Gov.
ernor Hayes aud after replying IN tho affirmative,
the witness related that Haistead first asked him
what the Returning Board woud 40
Roberts replied that every body knew what the Re-
turning Board would do.
Hayes good fellow and means 10 do right By
the south, - Haistead said.
l"Tnapsjuss what came W nnd out" Roberts re-
Piled.
You'd better 60 and Hayes,n Haistead said.
Roberts then acquainted Halsteud with hrs mission
Governor Hayes Hslstead said, .1'Il lx that, and
sent despatch either General Comley editor of
OHIO State journal, 10 Governor Hay es did
member which, anuouno,ng that ROBERTS ceming.
Halstsd gave him a sealed letter to Governor Hayes.
General Butler--ls this the same tjomlov VINO IN