New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1878-08-24

the question now is VIII You OF
before this committee to-day - Al will not
Mr. Potter said that If Mr. Horne refused TO answer
questions he might step aside aud Mr. Burkes examna-
ton would DO continued
THE TWO LOUISIANA LEGISLATURES.
General Butier-Was IL not by law the duty OF some
officer TO call the Legislature together composed OF
members that had been returned as elected by the
Returning Board, and no others -
This question repeated IN various FORMS but eould
elicit no other answer than that IL the officers duty
TO call together the members OF the Legislature who had
been elected The witness continued -.
The Nichols Legislature met on the day required 10y
law; think this before the 9Th day OF January the
day that Nichols was mauguraed 10 was IN the after
possession of the Supreme Court room from the sheriff
who saS bo coDr durbg the dav after
ward, think that some Of Packards judges went on
the bench but they didn't remain there long Inc O. VII
sheriff, who the legal custodian OF the building
called posse and took possession ., 49,,
confirmed a session OF the Court held. the new court
eJeeed and session OF the old court held ana tLat
court elected all in one day; wasn't that rapid Work
A.-1hOse were rapid times. General ~,
Q-And did you have quo nun OF members is ethtr
House returned by tue Returning Board A-Oi legally
o.~And Was II not the object of the Commission to
assist yOu In getting Legislature of Returning Board
membersi Al admit that we were anxious to get
quorum of Returning Board members.
Q.-YOu were anxious 10 get the members counted IN
by fraud and perjury and all sorts of vllanyf A-NO
sir of them ever came IN none were adlDlteu
who had not been legally elected whether returned Dy
O~But YOU finally did have-by the grace Of God, OF
President Hayes, and the great COmmissionyOu finally
did have quorum Of members returned by the Return
ing Board. Did the Packard Legislature SIT up TO
the 10th OF january Al do not know tat; tney sat
with closed doors aud am not supposed TO Know what
they were dong d aoT ify STU States senator
Q.-But by your bargain-I beg your pardon-9rTange-
ment1 A.-Oh, don't care what you call H. You may
call it bargain, If you'll take my construction OF ~
Whatever arrangement was made was to Crafty our e
publican friends, well To accomplish our own puf-
poses. admit that 1t was agreed 10 allow the queso
of the senatOrshp to until after the appointment
General Butler read from the report of the Macveah
Commission, which declared that In some parishes the
election was earned by intimidation aud murder, ana
was rightfuy set aside lie added lrslnG 10 ms Ieel!
and yet these same men agreed with you Tor TINS price
dent Hayes they would allow this government, set up
by bOOdshed to be established A.-Ihey agreed TO
Q.-Ihe government so well described in this reporti
A1sO falsely described In that report.
by the Metropolitan police, turn driven out
by NIcnOs's militia A-Oh, they DIDN'T wait to be
driven out; they ran away.
General Butler-And lived to fight another day.
AN UNSIGNED LETTER.
Several dispatches were read and from Representa-
tive GIBSON latter part Of March, 1877 during the
period doubt the to be pursued by Pres
ident Hayes General Butler drew from package Of
papers handed him by the witness. copy of letter
from which the signature torn, and marked "conh-
Dental" The witness asked who was the author.
he deciced 10 state without consultation with him
package or he should have given tup II strictly
private General Butler read the letter. which Is as fol-
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,,
WASHINGTON ID: C.. ON March, lS11;5v
"DEAR MAJOR: l think there Will be diff
Gu ~ not only in the Of the Cabinet but in its
first sessions. however formed on the Louisiana ques
ton Sherman Will make the fight He represents the
party ana will look to his own supremacy and
ISL He wants lackeys around him. especially South
ern ackeys III the Cabinet in the Senate, The Custom
Houses-all offices. He will break Hayes down mean
tell Hayes so at my next interview. ne means IRE
shall trade Hayes has such purpose. The country
Will condemn a bargain. l. VIII damn the men who
make it, especially if they get Federal offices OF any KIND
for themselves. Taking Key instead Of Joe Johnston
shows they want putty and that their Southern policy
is a sham. Sherman Will plly bluff with us, bride and
bully. intend TO stand cleal aud assume the offensive
the opening of Congress They have no idea OF up
holding Packard-uOne In the world but they VIII try
10 make OF our unintlated believe that they WILL so
to build their fears repeat they VIII bully aud
bride threaten some with Packard and bn6e others
with Offices and they Will touch no man IRON the south
with brains and power, real independent men. Hayes
would like 10 do but Sherman viii prevent But they
will never get Hayes to recognize Packard nor use e
troops against us hoe as soon as you are installed
and get your office in order you will return This is
free letter. and you show It TO the Governor but no
one else. Yours, sincerely, -@.
THE GREAT AGREEMENT.
General Butler read the agreement which resulted
from the WOrmey Conference. and was given by the
representatives OF Governor Nichols 10 Mcssrs Mat
thews and Sherman. The reading from rough
draft IN which there were pencil interlineations,
causing It to differ from the agreement published.
The inerneatiOns, the witness said, in his
handwriting, aud the principal one was made at the
the late Senator Morton. Tue inserted clause pledges
tbe Nichols Government 10 the Observance OF the Thr-
teenth Fourteenth ana Fifteenth Amendments OF the
Constitution OF the United States, IN letter and spirit.
These words being written IN pencil were omitted IN the
clerks cOpy made o. the testimony taken at New-Or-
leans. The witness said that General Butler mad per
united him TO 90 on with his explanations on the first
day Of his examination he would have made IL all clear
General Buter-DOes II appear anywhere Us matter
Of record up this hour that you accepted the Thr
teenth and Fourteenth Amendments in letter and SPIRIT
I'D have been willing TO have given you the State on
these terms. Al am glad 10 know that you would
have gwen To any terms. IL has been given 20
public joint resolution OF the Louisiana Legisla
ture, passed April II, 1871 ana published DrOaGcast
the United states II would have been given to the
committee at NGW-orleans, put iOr Is I1ste III closing
is session. tbs clause was III tue copy OF
the agreement given TO Stanley Matthews and
sent 20 secretary sherman OF the he, other inter
lineatiOns l do not remember, they were con,
sidered surplusage, and embraced in the original
draft think they were all in the copies.
Q.-Was the abandonment OF the Packard government
agreed by Governor Morton any termsf Al had
sUred by Stanley Matthews that Senator Morton
would sustain the policy OF President Hayes In with
OF Louisiana this was between the 18th Of February
and the 80 OF March. Senator Morton was serenadcd
about this and made speech foreshadowiDg aud
approving Presidents policy. General Butler read
the speech with much laughter, and asked
O-Now wasn't this whole ling. the serenade and all,
got up by tue Ohio crowd to draw out just this speech
At considered by US as one Of the assurances that
o.EWeli we're there any other statesmen you were
able TO rope ing A understand on good authority
call it, until lac found he could not get Cabinet appoint
ment He was urged by Mr.. Hale TO whom, as 1 I'M
dersOOd Cabinet position was offered but who with
drew in EIye's favor.
O-NOw can you, from any public record, show that
auy Republican out Of Ohio expressed Willingness for
the overthrow Of the Packard Government prior TO the
An of March A.-NO Republican In the Senate or
House of Representatives raised his voice against the
withdrawal Of the troops, though IL distinctly I'M
ders God that tins policy was to be pursued.
Q-Ddnt you take special pains 10 keep secret that
YOU had made such agreement tisng 10 his feet and
laundering at the witness)i Yes, no. Witness lin
voice equally emphatcl-NO. On the contrary, took
special care make II known in my dispatch to The
Associated Press.
Mr. H'scock here read telegram which he had
inst received from Governor Young, OF Ohio:
SO far as am concerned, Mr Horne IL at liberty 10
testify all lie knows. / have secrets to conceal
20 our correspondence or kilograms.
THOMAS l.. YOUNG.