Daily globe., 1878-07-01

to me it would be about the best thing if
Grant should recognize and establish the
Packard government. He said no, because if
Grant should do SO Hayes would be bound by the
decision OF his predecessor and would not be
at Liberty to change or disregard it. l replied
that thought that would be about the best
thing that could happen, to have the recog-
milton absolute by Grant, so as to give no
option to Hayes, but to give him the question
as an adjudicated question. He said no, that
IS not the best way. 1t is the intention to
have the Nichols government recognized.
Then, either at the same time or in response to
an inquiry from me, he said the intention was to
have the Hampton government recognized in
South Carolina.
His language may have been mo, the
Nichols government is to be established" But
said to him, did not see how the President
could help recognizing and sustaining the
Packari government when the Hayes electors
had been chosen by the same votes, and had the
same title He said he had been looking
into that, and there was no difficulty about it,
whatever; that he had ascertained while the re-
turning board canvassed the votes for the
were canvassed by the legislature, 30
that the electors and governor derived their title
from different sources. l realied all the re-
turns were returns established by the return
ing board, and there were no other legal returns
in the State that the legislature had canvassed
VIC yOCe, dutt OeCldTeu fdckdfu e1eCCeu from
those returns. then suggested another diff
Guilty, that if Nichols and Hampton were rec
ognized, two or three Democratic Senators
would be the result, and we would probably
then have Republican administration coming
into power, with Democratic Senate. He re-
piled there would be no trouble about that 1t
would or had been arranged to have Republican
Senators from those States.
o. Did you have any conversation with
Senator Matthews after that? A. l saw him
at Secretary Robeson's the Tuesday before the
4th of March and stated to him l thought
Packard would be sacrificed by that arrange
ment, and dissented from that policy, stating
emphatically if Packard was not sustained,
would never maintain the honesty of Hayes.
Evarts. Garfield, Kasson and Mccormick were
present Kasson tried to justify the policy,
and Evarts and Garfield said but little in as
sent or dissent.
Witness subsequently called upon Gen. Gar
field who told him Of the conference at Worm
ley's hotel. the object of which, he stated was
to see it some arrangement could be made by
which the Packard govern ment could be aban-
bonded, surrendered or given up. Gen. Gar
field. witness understood, had memorandum
of the confert ace, which witness would like to
see. Witness was at the executive mansion
with Gov. Kellogg, between IL and IL o'clock
of March I'd, just before the cabinet
assembled, and carriage drove up, and
Gen. Sherman Gen. Dennison. and Gov.
Hayes got out and went into the executive
mansion and, witness was afterwards informed,
had an interview with Gen. Grant. Never
heard that the dispatch of Sniffen, private Sec
retary to President Grant, dated March 1st,
was received by Packard until the afternoon of
March I'd, and not until after the dispatch of
Sherman, of March 3D. to Augur, was received.
Butler then read an extract from the speech
made by Representative Foster and said he ex-
pected to be able to show who wrote it, but he
suspected it was written by Southern Demo
crat.