The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1878-06-12

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After reading the letter tho witness was asked
II IT did not refresh his recollection that when he
wont to see senator Matthews the latter was cx-
" / expect thnt that likely was written in regard
to the FIRST interview had with Mr.. Matthews
after MIR. Anderson had seen him. because re-
member Anderson cgme back after going to SEQ
first letter to Mr. Matthews"
Q.-Why did you want Mr.. Anderson to write
to Mr.; Matthews in your hcnalf. and for him to
il would suit him INC best; Tint is suit Andcr-
SON bestY What led You YOU to % believe there was
any such relation existing between these two
mon that 1t would be of any importance to your
dencp. that MIR. Anderson wrote to me that Mr..
Matthews had agreed that he had given written
assurances that If he withdrew nny claim he
had. no would ask either MIR. Packard's APP
pointment or my appointment.
saS gsMn % M XhS}hsT tho PspSs S5 II
with Senator Matthews ? K.YNot up 10 this
date.
Q.-Did they ut later date7 A-Oh. yes.
Shortly after this date ! had a talk with
that Mr.. Anderson told mo he had certain letters
or documents or papers which II given to the
OPPOSITION or published would not sound very
would show probably, that i was written a day
or two after the interview with Matthew'S. With
That explanation | can probably 80 on with
my answer to your questions about the
time TIM this letter ,yas wr'ttiGgnu-pr9ba6lyy
nf hormai fa 9a iG dey Sere SSSr T9s
between Mr. Andcrson's attorney and Mr.. Tii,
den and his friends in new York. by which
these documents and papers and letters Of Mr.
Matthews were to be placed In the possession
Of somebody in New York. Tilden or his friends,
ana | wrote this letter to Anderson because
considered flat he should upt in good fuitl in
tho matter and that the letter had better he
taken on, OF the possession Of his attorney and
kept in his own possession. At that time ccr
taiuly had not seen all the documents | had
certainly not seen Mr.. Matthew's letters. md
seen Of Mr.. Matthews was that he talked with
| Mr. Anderson and Mr.. Weber and promised To
| do somethiug for them. and that is what he told
ON your judgment tho matter was little
| urgent Tor somebody, was II not f-because you
the sentence get Immediately all those pa
pers.,, ana also the words in your own possess
Q.-whqt you heard made you rather uneasy
on this subject; you attached some Importance
| cause Anderson had told me there were such
| documents 10 be published, and had ncyor had
| any conversation M TO this date with Senator
| Matthews, and that tney were such documents
as would iniure Mr.. Matthews greatly In fact,
| they would causc him 10 lose his seat. Ip. TO
! this date | have had no conversation with Mr.
! Matthew'S at all about these papers.
| Q.--This is tho letter referring 10 the Sher-
| man lttttf. LOOK Al II.
Here Mr. Mcmahon read tho following letter:
IIorsr or RvrursrSrArIyr.
wAsuiNctoS. d e. March ., i~5-
and tti nm What iai hca,d rom Potter. ani usi SCG
| hat teen over ana assured ms The paper.
remain %fa az .o !" r leu" said " he had Word from ai.
l., some ol,. ana ia ia(a! rnaiked 4 all vent ri-hI
.,1 gaiht or wcte !" f,c u'm Nv I'M ihAt " o",i
conr, spoke only of ulc shrrnan copy aud r''rrci
but dir trouble him. aud that you assured my
' rain5m, m "a, m f3n' Syn r,, ana ~
~ referred o. any PAPER. from hnn YOU had and all
NJ N'Ts, M i.orrgT apa ELL VA y, M @ Sn,g , yo. k"w m" Mr
w. ~, WIN, IN ~ ,,, , .,,N ,v ~ NJ and i brT We are
going g. WIN Write any news from the 5 ,..-.,
jams T. ASSiFsos. ESQ Philadelphia Pa
The witness-I saw Mr. Matthews probably
| tho evening before thnt was written. and that
| iiou | hud with him In regard tu any papers or
| documents hold los Anler- m. wlnted To sre
| him. h"nu-e lad heard OF prupor ,uons being
| mnde g. Anderson io purchase the uhr'r-
| Q.-Are the statements ia this letter rs writ
! ten by YOU 20 Anderson true a. you now re-
member that YOU had an interview with the
| senator. and that the papers were a. bc given
w it all went right; A.-ies. sir. That is sub
Q.-And the particular document spoken of
the only one spoken Of was the sherman duru-
Q.-Was not this understanding that you
| were to be appointed Collector of tho Port. and
| when that VAS done ne was to deliver up the
| tht il shonid he delivered upY A.tThat il
| what tho letter stated; that is about correct
| His understanding WAS that he had written as
| surances from Me,srs. sherman, Slough hton and
| Matthews that they would d. something toT
him. and he said that II they did not prov lde ioI
| him he would-in tact he threat ned to-publlsh
il in thr newSpap9rs .,..n.
original document. did she say the sherman
| and Stoughton document; h.-That Is what II
was. lthnk. dont trememberthai she said who
1t was signed by. hut that was the expression
| used. Ny understanding il that the document
was given aud signed 10y Mr.. sherman and Mr.
Stoughton. That is what Anderson has always
told me, that they gave him and Weber written
assurances that they would be cared for.
Mr. Butler-Whch way do you want It ? Did
| Anderson say at any time that he had docu
ments signed by Sherman and Stoughton; A
oh. no. He stated 10 me, that the document
| was not positive whe,her MIS-. Jenks said So
but Mr. Anderson always said that Me docu
ment was signed by sherman ana Stoughton.
Odd he ever tell YOU 81 ne interview be-
tween sherman himself and StOughion n th,
restaurant in New Orleans Al don't re-
member that he has told il Just as It Is in hi
evidence. | have heard him relate about th'
same thing to several gentlemen during the las
Q.-Look at this letter Of March II, 1878, anl
sre ii that reireshcs your recollection. Nhi
you derived the information that the Presiden
was dead against Packard? Al got that il
formation from Mr.. Matthews. OF course.
Nj. ,MRAOn here read the letter;
wAsuNGros. c. March II. 1879
He hud not seen Hayes vet told nm what hrlos
saii nnd hc toi me- "rut kellogg 10 work with the CALI
net lie had conn aui hal no chance TO talk VIII
him further then lie Is dead against Packard lie san
he did not want 10 appear IN the matter more than he ha
to- You need not come Tuesday unless TELEGRAPH
Tor YOU when saw kellogg ait"rwnid and hluted "a
iin in for me hc dd not stcm Wiling To do 50
don't know what 10 think oi it. VIII tax further viii
N tomorrow and with YOU Then he don't or can =
do anything, don't see much sho" but guess he val
do IT, Truly, &C,
| To JAMS ANpfRsos. Phladep pia Pa.
Q.-Is that your letter handing letter 70 wit
nessl2 A.-lcs. sir.
Q-The facts stated in those are correct, ar
thcy2 A.-les sir.
Mr.. Mcmahon read the letter:
wAsniNGroN u c. March X 1879
NV DYAR Sin You will see the action ol the luulsian
supreme Court declares that the paper was not such
document us could have been forged. and Tins dc
Ci.ion releases all OF the others as well as Al
| drrson Wells lct New Orleans for here las
night II looks very much as n there wa
some Kind oi a trade aud wells was coming there
! carry II out SAW Mr Matthews to-day m Tie Senate
N thinks the appointment would be made very soon
lie thought best MARKS should come up Nash viii ak
Purhhacks letter aui some other papers We have I
tle President tomorrow don't think Nuu need to com
over ull "Wednesday night but bc rcndy To come then
telegraph YOU Wells viii be- here Thursday, aud yuuhaI
think hr.i he here too with those papers THIS aruu
Of the court, think. wrHkeus Packard, and Matthew
told me today Steele had no show AT all am httl
ia r. lar in A IA 4 tHlt fu