The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1878-06-07

have been In your subsequently, refusing tho
money alter you discovered who MS hackers weref
I Witnesz-lf you viii tell mo now | was ina out
who the hackers were aiior money paid you
WI, ieii me something TIA. y not plain ut present
Mr. McNahon-iou started with tho purpose OF
! knowing who the backers were?
'witnuss--tnat was the idea had throughout that
! transaction.
| Mr.. McManon--How did you expect 10 nnd Il oat2
Witness-ihat evil be explained when tell you
about the subsequent interviews.
Mr.. McMahoD-l am sticking to this nrst In tcrview.
Wtness-l Cannot answer that question without
gong 70 the subsequent interview II VIII DO ex
planned how found out considerable about II.
Mr. McManon-rhen We VIII depart from the 0rst
Interview.
Wiiness-Just as you say.
| othersy
Mr. McaIahon--l only do !. to rchcve you.
Tho witness-oh, mol Do not d. u to relieve me.
uiughcr
Mr. McMahon-rncn let US got The second inter-
The wi,ness--what do you want to know about the
second INTERVENE
Mr. McMahon--All that you know.
Tho witncss-Tnc second interview was app ,ipted
when wo separated ut thc close OF the FIRST APP
pointed 10 be at tho 81. Charles Hotel the samo
evening at seven O'Clock; think mat
was in the rotunda when Mr.. Asher
came as soon no saw that had discovered HIM
he walked out, ana went with him; went out OF
doors 10 The sidewalk and walked Two or three
squares together, aud then believe tho first hing
MI. Asher sud about tho mntter this interview
uhc secnnd) was that no had changed the PROPOSE
tion; mrac special response TO that, or perhaps
ssked what tho change was; that IN stead Of
proposing TO mo 10 refuse to accept my certificate OF
election Ills proposition would 90 that should cast
my vote directly Tor ti.lcn; 1 remarked that
tnal changed tho proposition worry materially; that
was very different thins from simple refusal 10 nc
cept certificate OF election, and / would have to
tbinI about -; he cuncurrcd with In that; then
lcommenced asking about The mattcr; said, Is
| schrccly worth whtlo to 90 any further unless
know where tho money Is to como from; want 10
know where II is aud how we are to get it;' for 1t
~ n n der Qtunn In
have considerable percentage OF whatever money
was handled in the matter; Asher thcreupo1 said ho
see gentleman there. and Ind about tho matter
aud meet me again at tho hotcii hall hour;
cordingly went Oh, suppose 10 tho motel, and
turned az the appointed time.
ABOUT rHK MONEY QUESTION.
We went to coiro shop IwO or three squares from
| the hotel ani look cup ot coffee, and during tho
t,mc that we were taking coffee he recitcd
hotel; asked him the name OF the man that he hnd
baen 10 see; he gave mo tho name OF Walior Pugh:
ton Tor possibly ne made the explanation without my
questioning him) he said, 1--WE VIII 80 together
70 the corner Of carondclet and Common streets;
Will there SEQ Two mon standing talking together on
the street corner IN the gimmer OF lamp;'' this
| was what pngh bad directed Asher to do zone Of
these men," Pugh had SAID to Asnor twill be yselt
aud Will ioave as you approach, by which you will
understand pcrfcct!y well the man WHO Is lett
standing there Is the man you looking
for;" accordingly W. did 90 together 10
The designated place at the designated smo
corner and went toward them, aud as we ap.
preached ono Of them withdrew; while We were vet
half way tho street, tho street beng narrow
| tEorc, ne withdrew that could not have told
who ne cvon II had known nm: that LETT stand.
Ing there a gentleman by The nanlo OF Joe Her-
mo; recognized Hernandez and no recognised me
and alter sauation ho invited US 10 MS Office which
was near by; l introduced Asher 70 nm;
Asher did not know him beore we soou
arrived in front Of nis office aud there my
Sell and went home; Hernandez rather insisted tnnt
should go IN with HIM; said, .'No, you dont need
me; Mr.. Asher can do all tho necessary talking ana
l Lott him and went honc that ended the third In
tarview; have given yoa two at once w,thout get
ting permission 70 20 on 70 tho third; know Joe
Hernandez we'll no clever fellow ana was salts
he'd that he was tho man that had the money, there
WIS any
jcc,s A. hc didE't say word 10 thar would
umount to anything by issclf; nothing whatcvor;
have repeated, oolieve, about everything that be
| did say after tho ordinary snlutattona
q Asher did not know Hernandezf A. Not until
that t'mo, but Hernandez and were acquainted be-
O. Is Hernandez a banker or brokcrs A. Hs Is a
broker. -r
\ q Didn't you ask Hernandez anything about 10 one
way or the other? 4. Not word.
2. You simply wantod TO know who tho was
\ that mad the money? A. did
q. You inferred from that that Hernandez WINS the
nS q. Anu 4 y 5ss s, s.s :. .--.~-.
II qucstfcnS wbwtrvcrsst ffNt" s'S-s-s4
TnE THIRD INTERVIEW
q. Pass 70 tho next interview. A. The next inter.
view WINS the only other one that heid that was
the next morning about eleven O'Clock
| q What day VI the month was thntf a. That was
the dny which tho vote cast, December o;
hal tho night before engaged to Asher nine
O'Clock next morning. / believe, but instead OF
meeting at nno Intentionally delayed and did no. 20.
thcrc before eleven O'Clock eleven City
Hotel and cav him, aud he tnnediatcIy .old mo- az
he had In TACT said the night before, thai he did
not think that any moro than 100000 could DO
raised.
O. Hc had sad that tho night be,orc9 A. Yes, sir,
be mad said thrt tho night before. After tho
view the hotel eth acted as II thought nothing
short OF 100000 would BIO any sheraton and no
| now repeated that requested me to SEQ HIM ut
twelve O'Clock or half-past eleven; perhaps halt an
hour after no should have seen Mr.. Hernandez.
| 10 then went off, saying that no see Herman
Ddrz, and suppose he did and no aficrward
the OF Bourbon md Cana streets had
iIr,ie chat: asked him what ho hau found ont from
| Hernandez; he said Hernandez told HIM that In
| he got; MS soon as VIC recognized each other tho
| corner had been visiting FOR him few minuics)
VIC walked on down Bourbon street. and when he told
mo 500 900 was tho extent told him | did be-
ieyc IT. worth while taking any longer about
| that we mad better drop tho matter; and tnero It
| ended
IN another point witness asked IL IL had not
been suggested TO him thst no should get IN spcoch
de the Electoral College, tnktng Ugh
| moral ground that he could not vote for Hiycs.
Witness lsmilIns,-Yes; that was part OF Ashcr's
talk rst after no had broached the matter and ou
| that didn't tskc offence ut once, he said -
''You MAKE yourself immortal In this country
u.aughtcr) said thought II a rare thing hat
n man could be we'll paid for mmortalizing HIM
sell. Iaughter.1 Snow, y said he, trhc way do Il
would bc 10 jus. put that thing on nigh moral grounds
| uaughieK) Take tho ground that you wero not
elected refuse to accept your certificate, and say
thom IN plain terms that you believe Tildon was
| elected
In reply to certain questions 10 hs whcrcabouts
on certain dato bearing tome relation 10 the timo
that the sigucd witness stated that he
mad left New orleans before Christmas and was on
his way homo 10 Sh rcvsport at that time.
| Tho attention OF tho witness was next directed 10
tho Louisiana Presidential electoral returns which
before tue Electoral comm ssion and have since
been IN ousody OF thc Secretary OF tho senate
and he tsstiIcd positively that IN several ihsancrs
where his name appeared upon the papers IL not
written by him or with his consent or Knowledge.
ono which shown TO The witness no idcn,i.
nod having been sEncd ny hin the day or thn day
after tho vote taken IN tho Electoral College,
/ about the 9Th OF December. Tho returns on which
the signature &c nuine bore the New Orleans
| post mark of December 30, 1876.
| Adjourned
WITNESSES on THEIR WAY.
New ORLEANS. June O, 1878.
Ex.Nfarsbai Pitkin, state Senator Wobbor and rs
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