New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1878-08-23
shs demands s IN relation to the United

General Grant had made up his mind that the Nichols
government ought to be allowed to maintain Itself In
louisiana AL believe that General Grant was
thoroughly convinced that the maintenance OF State
Governments by the bayOnet had been carried 70 q
point beyond which the people of this country were not
willing 10 sustain any administration. l don't think
that at any time after the 9Th OF January be was OF the
opinion that the Packard government coud preVaI In
Louisiana
Q-Now you have mentioned that General Grant
adopted policy toward the Nichols government which
bad enab d B 10 get possession OF the state When was
that policy adopted Al think that 1t hrst TOOK
shape In the opinion Of AttOrney-Gcneral Taft OF
January 6, In the telegrapno dispatch OF President
Grant, Of January z, declining Kelloggs request Tor
troops and his refusal recOgnz either governments
and mis- disposition toward the chols governments was
exhibited from the time Of my first Interview with LIN
Q-What IS the earliest date that Nichols recog-
nized the dc lacto Governor Of louisiana A-On
the 9th Of January he acknowledged Governor Tne
only power within the state outside OF the square or
ground nclosng the ST. Louis Hotel where Kellogg was
lister law, was the authority Of vernon Nichols.
Q-Mas be acknowledged Governor by the courts
A-rnere court, TO my knowledge. that did not
QHNow, What force did Packard. when he claimed TO
be- Governor OF the State have with him ut what was
formerly the ST. Louis Hotel AIT one time he had
as high as 400 persons within the buildings. -.
QOn the 4th OF March, 1877, what force did lie nave
with Inn About 100 peOpIe-pOcc, sO-called mem
bers OF the Legislature, and adherents Will say thaI
even the bread that Packards people ate and the liquor
they drank passed in 10 them by the su1eranc9 oil
the Nichols government
Q-At the time you were holding the consultation at
Wonleys you were trying impress upun those people
that II would he unjust % the people ~ Louisiana ana
unlawful for Hayes administrator in the event thnt
Mr. nayes Inaugurated, 70 OyeTurn this order OF
thngsl Ayes sir; and that the result OF Dis DONG
90 would be a military government over the state. ,
Odd yOu claim that the Federal Government had
no night to pass upon this question: Ave claimed
that Che constitution OF Louisiana aud the laws shOn
be allowed regulate local affairs without Federal
Q-Was there anything said which led you to believe
that President hayes modified his views account OF
any guarantees gwen by YOU or your rendsl Al pc
ieve that these were President Hayess views from the
carry them out No Republican gave ne any assurances
tnat the PrrsidOlt had changed ms views; nut was
firmly persuaded that Messrs sherman and Garfield aud
other Republican senators and Representatives acqul-
esood in that view through the considerations Whch we
The witness read from the Sherman Report OF the Gu
OF December 1876, charging that the election IN L0uis
ana mad becu carucd by violence and ntimcalon, and
sustaining the action of the Returning Board IN relation
10 the election for both National and state Offices "
could not but think" he added, when they acquiescod
H. the establishment Of the Nichols Government that
they had experienced change oil heart a.. a..
Q-Mght they not have been Of the opinion that the
United sta Government had no right to overtufn an
established government without naNIE cBanseh tler
Judged from their Hctluns would not assume To soy
that they believed thcrc was any inconsistency IN thcr
course The policy nOuntCricrenco tO be adopted by
President Hayes, WAS trst publicly indicated by Ihe
National Republican February % nnd March and 2
II was indicated IN the speech of Mr. Poster in the
House February "a or D. and-a We uucerstood-in
The letter of acceptance Of Mr.. Hayes. The policy
adopted Dy the then Administration early January
o. bat feared that IL might DO abandoned FOR party
rsDps NV apprehensions IN regard 10 the the future
course OF President Hayes were based the known
views Of leading Republicans, who could defeat Cabinet
snnointmrpis aud create discussions which would
f0plr,iize our peace We therefore wished for such
coimittal "a would justify Louisiana, In the event Of
any Unfortunate CIRCUMSTANCE following violation Of
tbe assurances given by Mr.. Hayes friends
that II he had changed his policy aud We adj rcssied
the change, We should have been justified by the
o.-You claim that there was fraudulent census ard
a fraudulent registration has there been any other
Parish OF orleans. aud think throughout the state
GENERAL BUTLER MAKES An ANNOUNCEMENT
General Butler readng MOTEL have been asked
several times whether shall speak at the Cooper Inst
tute tonight. want 20 state that shall not
Mr.. Hiscock-I am willing 70 offer resolution con-
graduating the General on this determination
Mr.. Potter-Mr. Hiscock, have you any announce
meur TO make on your Own account want 70 be
Mr. Hiscock-No, but when / md my Republican
colleague and myself in accord, want TO express my
Mr. Pottcr-I don't care what qualification you feel or
express n you Will only keep II out Of The COmmittee-
Tse witness wa, asked, concerning tho fraudulent
census aud registration. at great length. The entire
machinery OF the election In 1866 WIS IN the hands Of
Republicans the laws have been changed 20 as to give
both parties sentatOu on election boards, and %
courts the only judges IN cases Of contested
Odd I understand you 20 say who Il was that iu-
formed You that Mr. DeanO went 90 Co umbus with the
view OF introducing the plan mat Two REPUBLICAN nea-
tors should be- gwen 10y Louisiana M exchange fOr the
cstaD shmeut Of the Nichols government Al would
not undertake 10 say what M. DeanOs Instructions
br Hayes would cooperate IN carrying out such un-
derstandnK.
identi Any impression Is that Mr. Hayes refused 10
have anything 10 do whit
had gone net t6 her AZ did rot mention IT,
OWN you nOwi Al have reasons for not an-
sWcring tAat.
PERSONAL TALK OVER A WITNESS.
At this point In the proceedings Mr. Potter said that
nc would not detain the longer, and asked VIII
liam T. Horne 20 take the stand In reply to the ques
tions OF General Butler, MI Horne said 81 reside IN
Texas aud have resided there for twenty-five years BY
bar IN 1859. I held the Office OF District Attorney In
Texas, and after came 10 Washington was Inspector
Of Customs. resigned my position because | did not
have sufficient time to attend 10 II account of having
received letter from Governor Young. Of Onio request
ing 90 send him Information upon political matters.
am the Mr. Horne referred % by Mr.. Burke"
General Butler-Did you send telegram 20 Governor
have state that have gone just rs lar as propose
20. was Mr.. Youugs lawyer; and rs such must re-
fuse to make public aug OfOur transactions.
Mr.. Horne having refused TO answer any more ques-
tons General Butler said that he old not think IL neces
sary 10 pursue his examination further.
Mr. HseOck volunteered. however, 10 get some an
swers from him. His hrst question was: Have You
been paid anything by Governor Young for your ser
vices Tais question, after much discussion, Was an
swered in the negative The witness then stated that he
had had interview with Mr. Hay but sad he could
not remember whether any was present. what
said Mr. Potter asked him u he had ever applied for
discharge for his services. He replied that he bad
General Butler said that he did not the Of
aminng the witness further as he had already refused
Mr. HiscOck not propose 10 be bottled up in this
way Your language and your manner OF dealing with
this witness suggest that there Is great statement
which you anxious 10 conceal should not wonder
II there was nvestigauOn that II would found out
atthere Interview between this witness and the
General In the Generals room last night and that this
course was then agreed upon Everything goes TO con-
firm this the witness here with papers show
that he Is "a LAWYER then his relations with Governor
Young established, and then he is dismissed. Tns
looks ike pTeaTrRngement
General ButlerA have 10 say is that these charges
como from the counsel for Hayes.
ilarg
motives questioning him pure those Uf the
General who abandOns his old party and old friends on
account OF some Disagreement with the Administration
about appointments, or patronage or something
General Butler-ThOse are Hayes's tactics.
Mr. HlscOek-I maintain that there has been an ar
between the General and the witness pro-
pose wo nave the General and investigate him
a nut Hau Ia nat int