The Indiana State sentinel. [volume] (Indianapolis) 1868-1895, 1878-08-28

proposition about the memorial. While the
witness understood from Secretary Cameron
that two republican United States senators
would be elected from louisiana, provided
the Nichols government was recognized, yet
there was no special pledge made, and the
matter was deferred. and Columbus Delano
went to Columbus Ohio, in reference to the
matter. The witness believed Mr.. Sherman
was acting with Mr.. Cameron in the matter
of the United States senatorship. Represen-
tative Gibson had told him so. In q CONVEX
sation with Sherman on the 18th of Febru-
airy the difficulties of recognizing the Mich
oils government were discussed, and from
that conversation he believed Sherman was
opposed to the election of two democratic
United States senators. The witness sug-
gested that that could be overcome by post
poning the election until after the inaugur-
alton of the president and the formation of
the cabinet.
DON cAMERoN's WRATH.
Q.ZThen, after ali, this was not Cameron
against you? A.-Once when he went TO
the telegraph Office with Governor Penn,
and stopped the order issued by President
Grant Withdrawing the troops, and said he
was secretary of war, and would be damned
If he would let the order go; that he was sec
rotary OF war, and the order should have
gone through him. The witness, continuing,
said he did not believe that any time after
ard government should be sustained. He
believed General Grants policy favorable to
the Nichols government began on the 9th
ofJanuary when he refused Kellogg's request
for more troops, and declined to recognize
either government. Once after the 10th of
January be evinced a desire TO recognize the
Nichols government.
By Mr.. Hiscock-Then all your negotiA-
tons with persons in Washington were sim
ply view of getting the Hayes government
not to interfere with the Nichols govern
ment, as il had been already legally estab.
lished? A.-They were with that object. /
think Mr.. Hayes had made up his mind
before these conferences as to the way he
would act toward Louisiana. | believe that
Sherman, Garfield and other leading repub
llcans in both houses were influenced by the
considerations proposed at the Wormley con-
ference.
Q.-What did General Garfield ever say
that induced you TO believe that of him?
A-On the 9Th of December appeared q
report to the president signed by Sherman
and Garfield stating the election in Louis
lana had been carried by bloodshed, riot and
intimidation and sustaining the returning
board decisions.
Q.-Now conceding the fact that Packard
was defeated by bulldozers, etc, did that
justify them in arguing that the govern
ment in full possession should be subverted.
.
ensued between him and Hiscock.
THE OBJECT OF 1T.
The dispatch sent by President Grant
stating if either government was recognized
it should be the Packard government was
sent We believed solely with the object
of keeping the Packard legislature from fall
ing to pieces. We were assured of this by
our representatives. In conversations with
Messrs. Howe, Frye, Wadleigh, and Others,
they always maintained the policy of recog-
nizing the Packard government Our APP
prehensions were of the old republican lead.
ers and not as to Mr.. Hayes action. We
wanted the troops withdrawn before any
issues were raised likely TO endanger peace.
We wanted to have as many prominent re
publicans as possible committed to our policy
in case anything should turn up. My
impression OF Delano's visit to Columbus
was that it was for the purpose of finding
how far Mr.. Hayes would 60 in the matter of
recognizing the Nichols government on the
condition of Louisiana returning two United
States senators. 1 think heard from some
one that Mr.. Hayes refused to have anything
to do with the matter
Q-Who told you that? This question
was waived until tomorrow. The folio wing
telegram was then read:
COLUMBUS, o., March 1, 1877.
To W. e. Howe, Wizards Hotel:
Hayes In Washington tomorrow noon. Tel
night. We are waiting. Thanks for favors
(Signed) THoS. l.. Young.
HowEs TESTIMONY.
The next witness sworn was w. f. Howe,
a resident of Texas. He said he came to
Washington in 1876 and got into the treas
ury department. General Butler questioned
the witness.
Q-Now, Major Burke says you sent dis
patch to Governor Young on the 26th of
February, giving. him the results of the
Wormley conference, and that you got re.
The witness refused to answer, as he acted
in the capacity OF legal adviser. He adj
mitted, however, receiving the telegram
given above. Governor Young called on
him after his arrival in Washington.
Odd he take you to see Governor
Hayes?
Witness declined to answer.
Q.-Were you in New Orleans at the time
the subcommittee OF this committee was
there? Al have nothing more TO say.
general. got a letter from Governor Young
requesting me to let him know how things
were progressing at Washington, both by
mail and telegraph.
The witness said he had never received
any compensation from Governor Young
for his services. He had several interviews
with President Hayes after his inauguration.
but could not say what he said to him.
Q-Don't you remember? Al don't
propose to answer you just now.
General Butler-Well, insist on il.
Mr.. Hlscock-I would venture TO say the
witness had a conference with General But
Ter last night in his room, aud they fixed up
this whole programme OF availipg himself OF
his legal profession.
General Butler-I demand that that be
taken back as / never suggested line of
testimony to the witness.
Mr.. Potter-Why not telegraph Governor
Young and see if he won't release this wit
ness from his professional objections of Sc
crecy toward him?
And Mr.. Hiscock agreed, and sent dis
patch to that effect
General Butler said these things came with
poor grace from Hayes counsel before the
COMMITTEES (meaning Mr.. Hiscock).
Mr.. Hiscock retorted that il was bad grace
on the part of disappointed candidate for
honors TO prompt the witness and make 1t
appear that they were possessed OF great
secrets.
Adjourned until tomorrow.
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