Daily globe. [volume] (St. Paul, Minn.) 1878-1884, 1878-04-17
THAT MAN HAYES"
CONKLINH LET'S DAYLIGHT IN ny
REPCRLICAN RASCALITY.


: It Win all BIO Brought Out-The Peril of
the Country While Fraud was Being Per-
petrated--7o,o0O Men Enrolled In tho
West--Grant Didn't Know What to Do.
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New YoRK, April l3.-The World of to,nor-
row will publish long and important letter
from it's Utica, New York, correspondent being
the second Of q series:of interviews with Sena-
tor Conkling at his hone in that city, at inter-
walls during tho past few months. The relation
between this correspondent and Senator Conk-
ling, the World says, were such as made entire
frankness necessary on the part Of the latter.
and the World adds the correspondents name
will be forthcoming if the slightest real occa-
sion for Publishing it should arise
In the interviews, the Senator spoke with |
the utmost freedom about the successive steps
that led to the formation of the electoral COM !
snissaea: the part had in it BY prominent DEM
-ocratic and Republican members of Congress, |
and by President Hayes and his friends. In
the course of the interview, the World CORES
pondent asked:
well, Senator, would like to know whether
you think the true history of the Louisiana
electoral business will ever be told in Congress,
and if 80, how soon?''
Conkling-"Yes, 1 think it will I do not
see how it can be kept down. There are too
many avenues of information opened to-day to
make concealment of it avail much longer,
No reasonable man can doubt there was some
kind Of bargain between the friends of
Nichols and that man Hayes, and that Stanley
Matthews and Sherman were privy to it. A
great many people have become exceedingly
curious to know precisely what the bargain
was, and exactly how it was carried out, and
Yankee ingenuity will be sure to find some
| means of getting at the in formation. cannot
say how soon the facts will come out, for
something may occur any day to force them to
the surface. 1t will probably be best to let
them come out naturally"
What will be the RESULT"
| THE result will be that the whole country
will be appalled, by the disgrace of this admin
lstration. tell you, sir, that never in the his
| tory of this nation has there been in an entire
four years of an administration SO much cor
ruption, bartering of Offices, rewarding Of po-
litical favorites, traffic with political leaders
and bargain and sale of electoral franchise, as
during this past year. The people will not be-
ieve it until proof is shown them. but the
proof will be forthcoming. The people say
] that Hayes is a good man and means well, but
they do not know what they are talking about.
When all the facts are known about the adj
ministration, no one will attempt to excuse the
man on account of his supposed goodness nor
yet because be is week and ignorant. The acts
that have disgraced this administration have
all been done before the opened eyes of the
i President.
Conkling then goes on to review at lengththe
history of the electoral commission. He saws
the country was in actual danger. Yes, !
mean that the danger was real and imminent.
The point of peril was not in the South, but in
the West. 1t was understood that the Rcpubli-
can leaders had determined to have Vice Presi-
dent Ferry count the votes at all hazards, and
declare Hayes elected and the West was determ-
ined on resistance. 1t was to be no child's play
in that action. Gen. Steedman had 70, 900 M en-
enrolled and assigned to regiments for the pur.
pose of seating Tilden in Office in case Vice
President Ferry carried out his proposed pro
: gramme. Yon may look astonished, but these
things are true. President Grant was at his
wits end. He confessed to me that he didn'1
know what to dos He was gathering some
troops at or near Washington, but he did no:
know how far he could depend upusSss them
Gen. Sherman told him that in case tssetsNouble
the sympathies of large majorities of the Off
GERS and soldiers of the regular army would b,
!, with Tilden, and that the army must not b.
taken into consideration dependence il
any such crisis. From those facts, and from
: what was threatened and prophesied publicl,
in those days, you can imagine how
:, gloomy the outlook was at the Republican
= councils. The President asked my advice ant
: l frankly told him did not believe that Vic
q President Ferry had any power to declare tn
I vote, but could merely act in clerical capacit
: to open the envelopes and lay the votes of th
, electoral college before the joint COR
y mittee Of the two houses for thei
= decision. And, by the way, may as we
= state here, that when certain Senator cam
= to me and said it was proposed to make II
= president Of the Senate in Ferrys place SO tina
: they should not miss fire, l frankly told hir
: that could not accept the position, and tina
! by my Interpretation of tho constitution
y should be compelled to rule exactly opposite
the wishes of himself and friends. That viii
perhaps. explain one story that is told about n
:. l suggested subsequently that there was 4
g substantial reason why Grant should not I
- elected President of the Senate if they wante
- e strong man there, though see no necessi,
- for any such change. OF course
s~h there and WAS no Mkehos
TO see his successor peacefully inaugurated,
enjoy long vacation afterwards. l belle,
pc that when the whole truth is known it wi
:, sink the administration, President and al
r. the lowest depths of infamy."
~ ''You think then, Senator. that the Presidel
i is wholly in the hands of the Southern Dem
oi crats?'
II am sure of it." said Senator Conkling.
~ Conkling said there had been no reform u
81. der Hayes, not even in the civil 81
~ ~ vice, and said his list of appoir
" ments was the worst ever made.
Hayes should send In message on civil servi
US reform list and come of these appointme1
on will be published, and it will make such an
founding commentary upon the Presiden
works as would discomfort more phiiosophit
cabinet than that in which Eyarts and 6chu
he figure as reformers.
he Further on in the interview the correspor
.f ent asks: do you see no hope of bringi
- the President in accord with the Republic
Der leadersy'
". Senator Conkling replied: Il must conf
aIe that have ceased to have any expectation
ny it. No opportunity for harmonizing matt
nj is given by the President. In my opini
it is not possible. te speak in
LIS extreme a manner of this administrati
Look at its usurpations of power in Ohio.
openly dictates the election of q United Sta
of a man to whom the succession properly belon
.ba to step out of the way, promising
WIG use the influence Of an army of ofice-hold
ne and their positions to make him speaker of
hat House. People don't stop to think what
not act really b.. A President who holds the '
no power of legislation promises to interfere
the legislation and control its course by dictat
The who shall be speaker of the House of Rel
ion sentatives. Fancy the sovereign of Engl
The trying any such game with the he
cial of Commons. There would
So such an uprising as there has not been 81
Charles the First lost his head. Yet people
strangely quiet to say that Hayes is . 6
man.
has Conkilng says that he then suggested
NJ President Grant the idea Of commission,
war that the latter embraced it heartily. He g
thor the account of the various INTERVENE With
dec President and General Sherman, the dificu
II of the advocates of the plan met with, and
Lere- in particular detail why he was convinced
yiono Mr. Havoa %hou nt,;x x,,o,