The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1878-06-14

should be allowed appear in order to properly aid
US in this matter and II this to be made part Of the
prosecution and to be told that Tor any
witness havo convcrsed With counsel Is an
offence for which he is hero TO be arraigned,
knew any prosecution 60 fore, say nothing Of
the conduct OF judicial tribunal; and Inasmuch as
this witness frankly stated he does not tho
el9p ~ rersonally. think this tho proper
edApn ri call attention TO that isct. wish TO sly
hoy distinctly that We sit mere as AN Investigate IRE
bu1ai, apd seems to We ought to remember that
We have something of Tho character OF judges and the
tone Of this examination has seemed 70 me not TO DO
III that view, whatever else II 10.
Mr. Buutr-rhis Ia inc second time that the gentle
man from MO has chosen 10 undertake here, IN tho
presence OF the committee to comment upon me and
my action. asked him last night Tor his comm ssion
tase comment, ny ana he did no. 9 nroducs !, and
thought il was hint TO him that he had better not
do II any more. II he had produced the commission
should have objected but have not ye; II,
ana DO not propose 10 take anything OF this sort
except in the way 1t should BIO taken. AS, simply
won't trust myself to ths particular word OF charac-
erizatIon for IT, because that suggests itself to every
honorable man. have all the rights and power here
that he has, una l have only the responsibility to
neither words Of criticism nor commentator. and
VIII not submit TO the assumption OF reproof know
my duty and my position well he does and
have had as much experience Ia courts OF justice
as no has. am only behind him in kina OF ex-
never have been the head oil department. with
clerks under me, and, therefore. perhaps have
not learned an ovcruearlug manner 10 ln0Se win
whom l am associated on AN equality rhe
United States Is hero without counsel, except
as as. We are tho counsel or Jadseadyoca,o:
Frcnch courts, who conduct examinations them
selves. feel bound to mako these remarks because
do choose that this unpleasant matter shall 90
on never nave sn'd one word except In rcply, but
how long shall remain on the defensive is question
between me and my conscience.
Mr.. Cox-In matter oil this kind, where public
opinion regard 10 political investigator apt,
Nha tean and
when committee IS formed avowediy Of
political men holding party relations, that
should be perfectly frank and explicit when we feel
that tho usual lines drawn In such being
,ransgresscd. have only 70 say TINS, that without
coed at the beginning Of what seems to mo long In
vestgation, that SO far ms my methods may Do con-
cerned in approaching Witnesses drawing out tcs-
tnsny, shah be only too happy II the gentlemen Of
the committee VIII be severe in judging whether
part par o. judicial trOUnal 10 e. a.
the truth, or that vi one who having determined
p,e,adgmens Is bound upon p,1yy,ns IS no matter
propose to continue max ing just such anmadvcrsons,
II they shall seem TO- me 70 be accessory. as may
sonal controversy. II have beon made 10 feel that
there Is disposition conduct the examination ia
manner which Is the extreme OF partlsanshp, shall
say wherever 1t is necessary say So and the
same time hope may be able to AVOID the necessity
Mr.. Butler SAID he should also conduct his examina
ton in the way that seemed proper TO him. In regard
to tho examination OF the witness and hts manner OF
conducting H. he said: 81 never expect make
let's without breaking eggs and. therefore, leone d.
Mr. Cox--I observe not only the determination to
mako omclets, but TO break the eggs as well. We
course OF conduct IN the future will say that the
proof Of tho padding is In tho eating.
Mr. Butier--Yon Will find that the pudding will be
eaten through. Laughtsr)
CONN
By Mr. McMahon--You examined the records OF the
Executive Mansion this morning and you find that
this Conn letter was referred 10 tne Treasury Depart
meni. At what dateY A. March 10, 1877.
O. Have you any comments in that connection?
A. No. sir; tho lndorsement was 'Jns. f. Anderson;
recommended Tor Office. y do not know when II
was sent to the Treasury Department. but u would
very likely have been delivered within twsnty-fonr
hours from that time. and II has been there ever
since, although II may have been over 70 the state
department, but presum not
@ In regard to that letter or Secretary Sherman,
addressed the comm tee, did he show you tho let
ter the committee had addressed to him? A No. sir.
WITNESS WITH SHERMAN.
q. Give " the language that passed between you
when this letter was written A. As near as re-.
member, WAen went 10 said to him that had
coivcd commun lcation from the appointment clerk
requesting to send these etGDrs TO him. he wished
theni, and mad thought II best to wait on
him in person and bring the letters with me the lot
tor Of the appointment clerk 10 me SIMPLY designated
tho letters she oiters belonging the Anderson
matter" believe. but gave no particular description
OF them. Ae-
Q. Go on with the interview between yourself and
Mr.. Sherman? A. Secretary Sherman then said TO
me that he wished to examine himself whether those
letters official or not; replied that that
matter l had decided for myself whether
the letters we're personal or not, but
II no wished; that is all the conversation;
thon submitted the ettors to him and no road each
one himself this occurred n the sppoln.men. room
was applicant In the state Department Tor posi-
ton consul up to the last OF May.
q. Now, how was Il that the Conn letter, written
the 9th or 8th Of March, TO tho President sent
70 tho Treasury Department and then TO sne state
!" sne treasury Where ~ss
two months ansrwards A. They may have
tho Stale Department; win say, expert, II you
wish, to that KIND OF evidences, that the Treasury
largest number OF Offices large are that when there
Is no special place named by the applicant they are
very apt to send such letters there that matter Is,
however. discretionary with the Presidents score
tary, and they may not al that time know OF his np
plica.lon TO the state Department or remember IT,
q. In dealing with Anderson did you act upon the
Conn letter? A. No. sir: never that letter until
last weak: u filed In the Treasury before
appointed clerk; was appointed May /, 1877; was
not aware that TINS letter was on tho nles never
looked the flies az all until after the publication Of
that letter TO Anderson appeared 10 the newspapers
or until tho receipt OF this personal letter.
q Is IL not usual when any body applies for posi-
ton In tho department 10 require some testimonials
from outsiders as a basis for the appointment even
when you havc madc up your mind 10 mako the APP
pointmontf A. Yes, sir.
Q. What Official papers had Anderson nle TO
your knowledge which you based your intention TO
appoint him 10 this place that you picked out A.
Nothing whatever base It except that letter Of
Matthews TO mo; 1 actod on that solely.
u And the particular letter on which you acted 10
lostY A. Yes, SIR.
O. And tho letter which you wrote in reply to that
particular lotter which you acted you have copy
or A. wrote letter in reply TO that, think u
required no reply, being recommcn dation Tor once
do not remember writing any reply TO u; tho letter
that Is lost tho ono which based the inten.
ton to appoint him.
THE PRESIDENT DisGusTEp.
q Why would not the President SEQ Andcrsonf A.
He did not give any reason, but was very emphatic
and showed great disgust or aversion.
q GIVE Us, as ncar as you can, what the President
said A. can only give The substance; won't in 10
tell him that Senator Matthews had recomme nded
this young man, q political refugee from Louisiana,
for appointment In the Treasury and that offered
him n minor place, and that ho had declined posi-
vey taking any place In tho Treasury ualess he could
have large salsry, something ike 81. 0O0 and that
he had tod mo II was TO sec him (the Presidentl
would understand he was TO have larger place. and
he wanted TO see him the President declined seeing
him no said no was not aware that any recog ntion
Of that Kind Of his services was required; ne dis
avowed all knowledge OF any such understanding.
q What Observation-Disclosures must have conveyed
some Understanding A. OF any promisef This gen.
tcmnn claimed the ro had beer q him r.