The New Orleans daily Democrat. [volume] (New Orleans, La.) 1877-1880, 1878-08-28

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ton that IL the State was given to Hayes by
the count Of the Returning BOARD, the same
Returning Board had carried In Packard,
and it would give the State government TO
Paelxard?'
that subject, but can't say that we felt at
that time absolutely that the State govern
ment would be lost even II Hayes was de-
clared President" -,
az sI1nnose these anprehensions came from
the difficulty which Mr.. Hayes would be in In
rejecting the count as far as Packard was con- m
cerned, and accepting 1t as far as ne himself
was concernedY
NAUTICAL difficulty that you suggest, ana pIln-
cipalIy our apprehension OF the action Oh the
Republican party leaders.
"And YOU understood that the action OF the
Republican party leaders would be favorable
eve understood it SO to be.
"We had only the reports OF the interviews
that had been published In the publc prints.
Mr.. Hayes letter OF acceptance, ana only tne
general assurance with regard TO nus l,i! !ean
tion to pursue d policy of Cancellation and JUS
tice toward our people OF the South, without
any express declaration as to the recognition
| of the Nichols government L knew mourning
| of the Roberts Interview with Hayes, except
what saw In the public prints, or pOsslnly Ill
| casual conversation.
"There was nothing In his letter Of accept
ance about having one State go two ways YVES
there? 7" .~s
| "No, sir" ,
The witness here read President Grants dis
patch to Gen. Augur of january IA, 1877, In
| which President Grant said ii he recognized
either government 1t must be Packard's.
"How soon after the counting Of the cleo
| toraI vote of Louisiana for Hayes by the Eslec-
toral Commission, on the sixteenth. OF Feb
| ruary, did you have any conversation with
any leading Republicans on the point OF hay
ing the Louisiana governments given to
Commission had given Louisiana to Hayes
by the same vote? Ii 50, with whom did you
converse? I"
" Xvi l.. Stanley t.! Matthews" 49,
cat the Wormley Hotel"
"Did you call upon Matthews, or did he
call upon your"
81 called upon Matthews"
! "Where?"
"By appointment made at the door of the
| Electoral Commission room, when we were
leaving after the disposal OF the Louisiana
case"
"Give, as near as you can, the result Of that
| conversation
/ ut was in the early days of February;
think 1t was walking near the Riggs House
| It was a casual conversation. He, expressing
Il desire to discuss Louisiana affairs, indl'
Gated that it would probably be to our inter-
ests to understand the views OF Mr. Hayes
with regard to Louisiana
"He wanted to talk to you about Louisiana
affairs, and communicate to you Hayes
views?"
i 81 think, as we'll as recollect, it was only a
casual conversation. [ think he expressed
desire to correct a misrepresentation OF
4 Hayes views, and that q conference upon the
subject would result in q better understand
ing as to what those views were. Coming
out of the Electoral Commission room, the
spoke first. / think said that it was about
time we held that conversation He said: !
think so too;' and I asked when. He said
Amy time said: To-day He said; Yes;
'Where?, At ,Wormley's' What hour?
at o'clock you were there?"
81 was"
Major Burke was questioned as to what
took place during the two hours conference
at the Wormley House between himself anc
memoranda at home which he made at the
time, and which he would prefer to submit tc
the committee rather than give his present
recollection Of what took place; and, by gen
eral assent, he was allowed time to put in The
memoranda. .ssy.-a&e
Gen. Butler-The substance Of it was as tx
: how Mr.. Nichols could be recognized il Hayes
, came in?
lished We did notas recognition, assuming
! that Hayes went in. On the night OF the six
teenth ] made memorandum OF that con
versation and submitted it to Gen. Gibson,
member of Congress, with the consent OF MI
} Matthews, on the seventeenth OF February.
met Mr.. Matthews again on the eighteenth Q
i February That memorandum was in wri
ting"
Gen. Butler asked what was the purpose Q
a giving this memoranda to Senator Matthews
+ aud Major Burke replied that 1t was 7
y strengthen his hands in arguments witt
the Republican leaders, and to reassur
: them as to the course Of the Nichols govern
= ment in case it should be established.
= 'sThat is what Nichols would agree to il
Eyes"
l. sNow, take the first point, The acceptanc
q of the civil and political equality of all men
=. and the agreement not to attempt to deprlv
: the colored people of any political or civ
:, other class OF men, Had there been any al
tempt to deprive the coiored people Of any pc
% litica or civil right, privilege or immunity eI
e joyed by white people, of your State?"
y mot to my knowledge"
+. "'Therefore, you promised not to do tina
~ which was unconstitutional and illegal. Th
- second point in the Nichols guarantee wa
20 The enforcement of the laws rigldly and in
u, partially, ETC. That is also q part OF you
u constitution and laws, isn't it? Therefor.
is you have strengthened his hands by agreein
- that you would not act unconstitutionally I'll
q der your government. Did you regard th
" as weighty considerations
= sit was a somewhat weighty considers
( ton, when you consider that there had bee
# little or no administration of law by the al
~ thority of Louisiana for years past
If "You would have better administration III
If der Democratic government than had bee
~ administered by a Republican government
j. and this inducement was offered to get &
n publicans to set up Democratic governme1
in as against Republican government, is thu
70 it?"
,e I'VE certainly thought it necessary to gi,
~ assurance that there would be better goverl
f. ment.'
I'd did that have weight with Matthews?"
- 81 think Mr.. Matthews was satisfied"
"You made this memorandum up after tv
hours conversation, and after one confe
10 ence?"
&c 81 did embody the substance of the stat
ne ments that had made to Mr.. Matthews
- this conversation
"And you had had over two hours conve
IN saton in order to find out what MATTHEW
&C wanted of the Nichols government"
w "My object was to find out what the Hay
administration intended toward our people
Of Nov the question is, whether it was n
n the purpose of finding out what Mr.. MATTHEW
+~ H. u