The Dallas daily herald. [volume] (Dallas, Tex.) 1873-1887, 1878-01-04

ure of an interview with Lieuten
Bulls but had quite long tall
Colonel W, \, Shalter,
mel Shalter Is u square built sol
ather below than above medium
about forty years of age wear,
hsllers in English style, and has
luch the appearance and bearing
1prlshman. Colonel Shalter is
the most active officers on the
r. and the people of Western
owe him debt Of gratitude for
elk he has recovered, and the
dread of his swift pursuit pres
,pntca, The following conversation
contains some valuable information
from trustworthy source on theyexed
question of responsibility Tor the border
ouuages
Comespondent-Colonel, it is going
the rounds Of the northern press that
the reports OF Mexican raids are vely
much exaggerated 10y the Texas press.
Now, are these raids real or imagn,
aw2
Colonel Shatter--l am surprised that
anybody who has had any opportunity
orknowing enough about the border
should have the hardihood to assert
that raids do not take place, There
may be some difference of opinion as to
che number of MeXicans that accom-.
pany the Indians, but that thousands
upon thousands of head Of stock have
been stolen and driven into Mexico
within even the last few years, is not
matter of conjecture at all. have the
ailidavits of the owners Of several huns
bred head that have recovered myself
from raiders, and where one head of
stock is captured, at least twenty are
not.
Correspondent--Who is it, colonel,
that steals the cattle and horses in
Texas Are the raiders MeXicans ?
Colonel Shafter--The raiders are
mostly Lipuns, but there are thieving
Mexcans with them, The Mexicans
buy the stock They fit out the raiding
parties. These are, however, matters
that are notorious The raiders hardly
ever miss u full moon, and sometimes
there are several parties raiding at once.
For instance, when Lieutenant Bulls
went over and nearly captured a large
Lipan camp near Zaragossa, there were
three raidIng parties in Texas
Correspondent-lth has been stated on
the authority of a United States officer
on the Rio Grande, and also upon the
say.so of the United States consul Will
son, at Matamoros, that these troubles
on the border were very much in the
nature of dog eat dog that the MeXi,
cans were as much sinned against as
that the Texans raidcd into
Mexico as much rs the MeXicaus raided
in Texas, Now if you have had any
opportunity of observation, please state
if your experiences corroborates the :
views Of these gentlemen,
Colonel Shattel-l have been stations
ed on the Rio Grande ten years, during
that time have known Of two raids
rom Texas in Mexico The raiders \
we're Mexicans On demand of the
MeXicans authorities they were arrested 5
and the property returned to its owners
The Texas COW boys frequently raise
the ID, but it is among themselves.
Correspondent-rhe Mexican papers s
have charged, colonel, that you and :
Lieutenant Bulls went over into Mex i
leo on an old trail, for the purpose OF
causing bloodshed. :
Colonel Shafter-As there is to be an
OF my conduct, | have no
desire to say much on that subject, but j
my report to General ord has appeared c
in the papers, and that furnishes all
there is to be said on the subject.
Correspondent--Did Lieutenant Bul~ {
lis cross over on an old trail ?
Colonel Shatter--At that time there
We're three parties Of raiders in Texas, {
and Bulls knew it and was after them
As soon as Il raiding party crosses the
Rio Grande it disperses, 50 that there is
no trail to follow; but they all
meet at their can p. Bulls knew where
their camp was, aud made a bee line .
for getting there as soon as they did. /
don I understand in following a raid I
ing party over on Il fresh trail, that the
pursurer is to follow in the exact foot 4
prints of the raiders. If, however, it {
was required to cross the Rio Grand2
at the very spot where there was fresh {
trail, all he would have been obliged to
do was to 20 down the Rio Grande a
lew miles, and he could have crossed
where $50 Mexican cavalry returned to
Mexico and the fight at Painted Caves, ,
where Garcia and the other Diazistas at
lacked; Pedro Valdez
Correspondent--But, colonel, it is
alleged you crossed over to bring on
tight
Colonel Shafter--ln my report you
will find my object in crossing fully ex>
planned. thought Bulls might be en-
numbered with wounded, or be attacked
by a superior force, (he only had one
hundred men.) | have no doubt he
would have been attacked by the Mexi-
can cavalry if | had not put in an APP
pearance with about six hundred men.
Correspondeut-What do you think
ooicooperation,o of American and Mexican
Troops to pursue Indians on both sides
OF the riyer2
Colonel Shafter-I have never known
the Mexican forces to assist the Ameri-
cans to pursue raiders in Mexico but
once. They have been notified time
and again, but always managed to get
out OF it; but about ten days ago Lieu {
tenant Ward followed a gang of raiders
10 the Rio Grande. They had stolen
stock with them General Falcon, at (
fIedras-Negras, was notified, and prom
led to send a detachment TO oyertake
,..aem, which he did in good faith, but
Mere was two days delay and of course
Ihey got clear although the joint scout
vent some distance, into Mexico. For,
iherly the Mexican officers made no obs
lt'iion to United States troops follow
,,Ag up these Indians. On the Both Of
,nly, 1876, ! overlook party Of raid