The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1878-06-07


WIS about what tn'l him ON PARTING.
Q-Have YOU told us all that YOU said to him
IN this half hours walkp Al do not pretend
Mr. NJ MrMahon-We would like something Of
The Witm"ss- ii il drl,ult to rocan whole
conversation OF TINT kind ait"r 50 long n time.
!! YOU can sugg,St any point, VIII t9ll you
Sni an tbs Tc@n{ dThesrc was rons 7 else To tnE
about that remember npw-nO other circum.
stance but that onr. and the conversation lasted
probably thirty minut s In on
Q.-Wherr did Won 20 when your walk was
concudpdY A.-Wecnded our walk very nnarly
wherc we began. Wo got back to In" hot'l. or
to the corner near there. II you can suggest to
me any point about which you wish 10 Inquire,
Iwil! answer. you very freely. and tell you all
Mr.. M,Mahon-I was not there. and I am
irving 70 ind out what was said from gentle
Tho Witnoss~Yns. I was thore--raughtcrl--
aud hoard it. aud will very freely tell you all
that ! can recall but after 50 long time
lnearly year and half ago) cannot recouect
Mr.. MrMnhon-But you testified before the
Senate committee Immediately aftrrward.
Tho Wtness-l never read my testimony but
Mr. MeNiahon-But it must have been i'm
Tho Wness-Yes. it wns impressed on my
mind and j. yot-ihe substance of it,
Mr.. McMahon-Giyc US some Of the lmpres-
The wtness-I declare that have given you
al ilat can recnll: MS was the prop924llon.
consideration Tor SO big n thing. We kept
walking along, aud ho made some reply e. TINT
l cannot sny what now. Perhaps he said thnt
be- thought n greater amount conld be raised.
My intention was. when said s2OO.OOO. to put
ia" figure clearly ont oi his reach: 50 that |
could have a good ground to talk with him and
ba1r him without coming 20 nn ngre"mont |
did not want him to say Here IL your s2OlOlQ
! um ready to pay the amount that you suggest"
Then would have been In u corner myself.
Q.-MhyY A.-lic'ause | would have inli-
cafed 70 him that wns willing To tnke $1,000
~ lnf fttFlt No. gttl Ia II "a
II" Wusc / would have accepted his proposition,
although in a qual ihed sense.
Mr. McMahon-l understood you To- say that
YOU put il at 100000 30 as 10 get the amount
out ~ his reach -
Tho wi,ncss-That l. precisely what ] did. I
did not want him 70 be able io say that ho was
ready To- pay the amount indicated. for thon
what reason would | hayo for saying To- him
that would not take IT, after indicaiins that
intended io do it, simply wanted to leave the
impression On his mind that would take that
OF understood you to say that he opened
right away with tho Proposition thnt YOU were
not To- urrepi your ccrtil ate IN consideration OF
shy s4O.Obu or sl0opOf A.-N"s.
Odd YOU mako up your mind right AWAY.
rs soon rs he made thnt Proposition, that you
did not want TO return ga answer to that which
O.-Aui yon say lat you put tho price up
right away for fr..r lint hc might accept IN
Al never int m. 3 3 accept any price.
Q-What apprehension had you that anything
might 80 wruugY suppose that you had said
that YOU would take iiO,OOO; whit apprehension
saving thni YOU did not want his money. but
that you only wanted 10 know whether he was
in earnest Gould you not have madc that
point on 10000 as we'll as ON s2OOOOO! A.
That is n different thing.
GLOW Is 1t a diiierent thing A.nlt mad,
n proposition. and II he, accepted 1t. would
have irlt bound 10 stand by il. even though 1t
was dishGnorah,e matter A.. ,o,o ooo q.
YOU would have stood 10y in Al do not say
| that, but simply thought TIA b,tter way TO put
the price 80 high that was satisfied he would
"Q.SThen one Of the reasons which operated
| upon your mind in refusing 70 accept hiS oncr
| ns an honorable man 70 take itY Aust so
would have felt bound rs an honorable man to
o@Thereupon you put 1t up to 5000 OOo be.
| casusc you knew that he could not pay thal
| amountl Ayes: was satisfied that he could
! not That was the smallest ngure that men
Did you mention a higher figure thar
| lot may have put It at t2oo.o or. $500 ooo
Q.-You thought that the "lnrrclI Of money
| u-Anybody who was an clcctor was cutting
i largo figure in United states politics at thai
time because ne election OF Mg' HAYES depend
| Q.-And you put the h.ure worry larger A
Certainly.
| around very oftenl Al said that men do no
have such a chance more than once in life
Q.-Or more than once in a thousand years
Q.-You put tho price so high that you, know
| he couli not offer It, and thus you secured youl
| own virtue2 Al had secured my own virtue
O'-Is not that the plain. honest truth-tha
| you wanted 70 secure your oYn virtuep A.
am not telling anything but the simple. homes
| truth.
| thought there was a big thing lying around. an,
that. II he would give you the s2OQuO yol
SSG%d take ~ A-Ge'b bes sir vouS T0TsgSiiG; paTHn
| / did not say that. | want TO make
| general statement rght here. which covers th'
whole ease. and It il not worth while for you 4
try to lead me on from the track, ono way or thi
| other. Here Is the fact: had an intlmaliol
| tWeuty-flur hours in advance. and more THAI
| These ladies suggestions 10 mo set me 10 think
INK, and after reelection was pretty vol salts
my guard, and accordingly Went to frien,
t2i ap " WRGi Mal.Ha Gnt'E9tGiG tbo Won
mistake possibly nothing Of the kind is In
tended but it looks much as i there was some
stances. dld it with the view oi putting my
self beyond temptntion as regards my politlcn
n man should he talking Of political virtue in 70
gGEd e louisiana pGlties iaeGshterl
| Tho Witness-Dut It is n fact that they hav
political virtue sometimes. and | intonded
guard mine and thercupon ! Put myself !
could be l,mpted to take any price whateyel
Then said q myself and | said to Pitkin a
| the time: III II turns out, ns suspcet,
shall try to manage the thing and I
develop II ms fully ms possible, and I'm
out who they arp who arc wantn
to hribe me. and will find out everything con
cerning it, Accordingly. when Asher com
mcnced and made hts proposition, was n,
surprised for | was pretty sure that conl
guess what was coming. and Was prepared I
treat the question with Il Wow of accomplishing
my ends. Instead Of blunlng him squared
| of and thTsutenlua to have hlm atros
| ed and calling for tho police, or III
| like of that, | listened 10 him very IHtiontll
and as if was IN good MOOD 10 receive sue
mind. | intended tp loave that impression O
his mind. | wanted him and everybody els
connected with him u understand that th"i
was chance for that thipgtQ succeed. That WI
all the way that was likely 70 find out lu
what there was in it-what bottom there was
it, | did not mention To him that ! though
100000 littlo enough to take for so big thin
with any Wow Of taking IL, hut simply 70 Tx
prico up to which he could not get, SO that /
could never say: " Now have come ny u yol
! own price, and want YOU to comply with yo'
agreement"
Q-What was your object In thatl Al
/ draw him out 10 hear what no bad 10 say,
| find out where the money was. wlero they III
/ | it, and whose money il was.
Q.-llow could you accomplish that O.
| jcct. when YOU purposely put tho pri
, so high that il could not bo raiseC
? thicy would lead me 10 take a icss prlcc.
/ Q.-But understood you 10 say mat you s."
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