The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1878-02-25

N,uNui'u W furry Oni inc second plbbpSlllDn
which was understood between US.
CIPHER TEtrdRAMs.
GA telegram to C. NJ Calvert WAS shown ~
you Yesterday, in which the word Hold WIS
contained. and YOU re also asked TO explain
the meaning NJ IL plrase to explain ii now. A.
-iAliar looking at tlc lclcgIgml. TWAS under
moa at nWgs u, tn Il te rGprc t6
witch was required, then WIS TO usr my own
judgment in Il. negotiation TO eivcthc returns ~
they were made in New Orleans. and il had
oommcnccd second negotiation. that word
Hold " was to signify TINT was on the second
negotiation. and that he was to hold the returns
IN such u condition as to make them availabls
Q..This was the arrangement between YOU
and Wells hci rrehnndp Ayes.
IN, that telegram was in consequence II
h scSh mcao Sn@ ans' A9u ma entered on
q Anl that tl,c second had failed? Ayes.
Q-Look At t9is tclegram containing figures,
AMI explain what they mennt. II j. the t'lc-
gram addrcssed "Joseph Hancock" and COM
mgneing. All right; can get tho money ~ 3.
g. - a.. A-Each OF those figures meant slUO..
Q-Thc IS" meant s5oooOo? A.-Ycs.
- nat uiI s,rnrr cent. meanf Attic
Q.,Whai ID the a fusion to baltimore meant
Aoll W wrsni ~, Nrw 70 Orl BE- Is t6nS
Al meant that he would b. tIcrc on either
ono Of those days with the money
say anything nlout the amount which he want
,d i4nr the, different mgmb.rS Of The hoard
y
luil's0u ~ hast S2uO 900 apjo,e
Q.-Munt cl~ot Ale said that he wanted
soWe ;rnlcr sums for the coorcl men.
@. How lid he dos ignite them? A.-He sail
NGi "a, ,rrn',d 50 pitch for indasOn and hntself
ord 50 much fer he niggers.
o. Did he say how much he wantcd for them
A. No, sir; hut the idea WIS some small amount.
| 10 NOT know tina, he used the word small"
q Did Wells in these conv"rs aiions say any
thing about what he would do With his party;
that he would blow them, or something Of that
sort Z, Ale sad ttd' y MeV DID not treat him
Lon - N.I.sN NN...
.C.-Wncn You returned to Now Orleans after
ihs iailnre Of NJ nwSg9iiation dih you have an
Q.-What did you say To him aud what did he
think the first day received a despatch from
YORK lad iailci. I communicitei tho IA IA / to
Coy. Wells. and ~ suggested iini I iroVh I'M
d"m make a" arrangement 'rHh Ue Democrats
Dbl you MAKE any etyor, to mike nm ar
Odd you su'ccedf A.-NO. sir
SEEING PRESIDENT GRANT.
Q.-Did Mr.. Wells tell you anything about his
own conclusion us to what the Democrats would
| d. or would not dor Al Think he todmrtllni
| he had had many PROPOSITIONS, Jd Ndi he dd
not NuN N. Democrats there coubi rdtse me
H1"eg; nd' t,y tdd 100 iaOm.R
| Q.-Nhcn did you leave Washington for Now
| Olean-y A.--Aucr the eie ton; cannot say
the 'Nai DAY. think arrived IN New Orleans
Odd you 70 in Gucsi Of any person? Al
WIS assigned to duty in New Orleans rs revenue
agent hy a regular order from the department
Q.-Brforr you won't did You receive any III
strii'tlnns in relation To- political matters. A.
VS. r'uu"sted 70 notice the situation and TO
r'p.rt upon H.
Ry Mr.. Lawrcnce-Q- Did GOV Wells agree
WITH you upon any cipher for dcspnichcsf A.
When? A-Beforc l.eft New Orleans.
,Q.-Ahout what date About the 21th Of
q Whore is tho cipher? Al, had a mem-
orgninm OF ihr ciph,r. ! leit u mgmorandum
Q.-pd YOU keep a copyqt ~ Al do not
! know that did Il j. posslhl" that may have:
but ,nc general idea WIS pretty well fixed in my
Q.-what was the object of that cipher? A.
| 50 that Wells could understand messages
which would send him.
Q.-Was it arranged TINT you would telegraph
| to him A.-That woui telegraph to {. NJ
/ Calvert who wa- ln thr House with him. and on
/ intimate terms with HIM. II told me- that he
would receive the a. -pu.hes.
erSph to Gov Tai tna E' IN f5h - MINIS Gf
was arranged that should telegraph to c. NJ.
calvert
.. 9- y, &o .}T scsrs'nTy Cameron after you
IT, 'a y is, hcT5G@ ol say IN reeF
Q.~Who was the first Al think IL first
b"rson talked to on the SUBJECT Was the ir,si-
,Q-was Secretary Cameron the next A.
q Who wes the nest? A.-Ithink talked.
/ rtN ,h.y. g. Mr. stewart went 10 SEQ s. re-
,.Q.-Wha j. Mr.. Stewart? ALL is a lawyer.
! Q-Was he In Washington th.n. Ale was
q i nra Demo rat or Republi an; A
Did You say ANYTHING to Mr.. Cameron OK
| cept whit you have stated Al think fully
| presented the cusn. n Mr. Wells desired me- H.
! do. a. him, from Weiss standpoint and had
com. conycrsation ID reference To tAe letter to
KIM yog say 10 Secretary caoqon hoi q
| milan of tON1rS i~dS d,SUeis AL did.
q lie declined to haV. anything To ho with
the Use Of money; An, decl.",t Ne proDosi-
Odd he decline to have anything to do with
tn. rsn If money
Tpe Chairman state what he said.
ton. thg, result %! the interview with Mr. CANE
eron.. III dec'.d 10 ac.."'e 10 t',. proloS'..'..
wrL1ss LAST CHANCE.
Q.-DiG Gov. VOL -ay anything to Won about
r'ti~'n- money for ia" iourdf Al have
salt Nl he 'ronf,d n,n'rV. a1d Mat he .n,,si
hnre p,,r" y, a"i prom hare gp"'g. liz io" 1'e
p.-WAere did lac say that Ale said il ia
% -Whcn? Al cannot locate tho EXIT
ter of the cuuyersatl on that W. had.
.. when A.-Prior 10 hIs declaring tho
l--Cnn you name the day? A.-On tho night
81 in lHtn tn.s matter WAs iully dis usssd aud
4 VIC was present? A.. Nobody.
Mr. Dur'Aari and Mr.. Lawrence, On the Re-
publican side. constantly o'ye'tol t. qucs, ions
AMI sought uar Maddox into contradictions.
bat without sus',s -. Nj. l~iwron.otrirlh him for
t.n laird tame on The Cameron interview. thus:
By Mr.. Iawr nc,--Q.-ln your interviews with
money Mas wWnimlY A.-TdG.
~. How mu.Af. Al ioii hus They 'radci
. -hM YOU tell him the PURPOSE for which II