The New Orleans daily Democrat. [volume] (New Orleans, La.) 1877-1880, 1878-07-19
THE HARD PAN.
HOW sWAZEY swORE BEFORE TaE
COM nITTEE YESTERDAY.
Tire Chandler Letters Turn Up ana HEfE4g
ton Jones Tells of FeIiciana Matters.


(colored). He WIS examined by Mr.. Cox. He
said:
was bern and raised In the parish Of East
Teliciana. Since 1876 | have resided in New
Orleans. In 1879 / was elected recorder oil
East Felciana THE county seat Is Clinton.
am acquainted with Duls, / have known
him since 1879. [ have known y, L, Weber
since 1868. have known Armstead since
1879. met him the first timS on Che evening
when I first met Dula.
saw Weber last Monday evening at his
room ON Cont street. DuIa was there.
After some conversation Weber requestedtthe
other gentlemen to retire. he wanted q pri-
yate conversation with me. They went out
He then said Ell would Ike all you boys to
ceme with me. TIE Republican, party has
busted up and we might as well get on tho
Lords side." He
INfsDE A PROPOSITION,
but don't like to tell what IL was Wltress
declined to state the nature of the propUsl-
tfon. Answers DO questions on this point were
insisted on by Mr. Cox and arged by Mr..
Stenger. Witness yielded and said:
Well, if must tell it, / will The bargains
was this / was to go back on my statement
before the Howe committee Twas to get 500
and position of S75 month. He told me
Dula was with him and was fixed. If had
gone back on my statement before the Howe
committee, ! would have had to tell false
hoods. have had no direct conversation
with Arm stead about this matter Armstead
told me he was fixed DulGatOld me 1t was q
fact he wa5 fixed lula whispered 1t to me,
There were ladies passing at the fame and
don't suppose he wanted them to hear, and so
he whispered to me. Armstsad told me he
fiYpd I did uOt hplipucsIts bH ihad snppYfs
| drinking, but Dula told me 1t was a fact.
CRoss-ExAM1NED.
To Mr. Blackburn The INSTRUMENTATION Z
had with Weber was on Monday. / did not
see hiEn again until Tuesday. The first inter-
view had was Monday night, and the second
while Dula was on the stand. He only
offered money 0nce-on Monday night did
not intend TO take any OF his money. did
not set my price. Money was mentioned to
me three times. | was wrong when said it
was only mentioned once. Dula, Stewart and
Duncan were present at the first interview on
Monday night; that was the night he asked
them to step out OF the room. When asked
to go out they WENT some went down stairs.
and some on the porch don't know who
went on the porch. OnF Interview lasted
about thTee-quaTters OF an hour. bad
conversation with Dula, and he told me there
was money in this thing and he wanted me
TO go with him. / was to testify that what I
had stated before the Howe COMMITTEES was
not true. did not tell Weber that j had tes-
| titled before that COMMITTEES, and / don't know
| that he knew it. can't say why he offered
me money to go back on my testimony, when
be may not have known chat had testified.
when / testified. Weber told me there was
money here from New York; and could make
some Of it. ! never told Dula that would
take $1,000; II be said did, he made q mis-
take.
Mr.. Cox objected to the question which
called forth the last answer. The man who,
according to the testimony Of Mr.. St. Martin.
wanted the $4,000 was Swazey, and not wit
ness. Such questions frightened witnesses.
Mr.. Blackburn admitted that he was wrong
ID his impression JnaJ IIIIIF in Question
was the witness, but contended thathls Ques-
Si0n was
PROPER ONE,
and Mr.. Stenger sustained him, saying that
the only effect it would have would be to. give
the witness an opportunity to say whether or
not such statement wasl true.
Mr. Blackburn then inteTrogated witness
particularly about what ArgRstead had said
ter many questions and eyasiYe and irrelevant
| answers, the witness naads1fle following state
| nent: Armstead made this. semark II arm
hxed;;" then Dula turned to me and Whis-
| pered there were ladies passing at the time)
| "That is So" and to use his own words. he
said: "He has 500 dollars in bis pocket be-
sides his mileage and per diem andiyon are q
damn fool il you do not go with us. They
wanted to go on drunk and Il, wanted to 90
home. Armstead himself said notfling to me
about money. This Wasfs9nr Tuesday night
after we left Weber's, Rbout'9 O'ctosk.
| Dula told me he was TO get $500 6nd a posi-
ton to serve tax notices. He said. he had been
| promised q position ut The GaStom-House,
but he had no idea he woatld get it. He had
been promised place by Anderson, but he
| thought 1t would amount to nothing more
than the promise. Dnla tola-Rne this at his
house on Tuesday night aabsut O'Clock.
went TO Weber's about dusk, illst before dark,
before sun down. / left Websr and went with
| Armstead and Dula.
| Qe-Now, you went to Webeus at dark you
staid there some time; you then came oubi
and had that conversation with Armstead
and Dula, and yet at the same time, 8 o'clock,
| you were at Dula's house, and he was telling
you this thing; now, do you think 1t Is easy
to be in half dozen places at once?
| A.-Wen, don't know.
| Q.-Do you think it easy to be down town
at 8 O'Clock in conversation and up town at the
same time?
| A-Well, Ii q man has money. never
spoke to anybody about this affair. / did
| am not positive [ talked to no one else. 7
did talk to Chapman. When | said iust now
! had not spoken to any o1e, | did not Tee0l~
lect. was satisfied If I went beck on my
testimony would be taken care Of. Every
man has his price; mine was not offered.
To. Mr.. Stenger-I am employed In the Gus
tom-HouSe as an hour hand Thefrst month
| realized $14 or STA. 1 have been in the Gus
JOtu-aOuSe IOr ElFee Or IOuI ulDisEdlS. I6eIOIeN
| / went there / worked in grain. was with
Highly in the grain elevator.
WAS RECOMMENDED To THE PossTIoH
In the Custom House by Congressman Nash.
| / was adelegate to the convention which NOM
mated him. The position bold now is not
the first under the government 7 have held.
The first place Nash gave me was III the
PCstofice. was there three or four months.
do not know why was removed. Another
man was given my place. I dare not go back.
to the parish Of East Feliefana. 1t would noh
be safe for me to do so, because there Is an
election coming on.
am not afraid to go back there because I
was charged with belonging to q band Of COLI
ored men who were to, Kill white men. / qgns
charged with it. ALI coloFed men in the par
. ish had private arIas. | had d pistol, seven
, shooter, small cne, which would not hurt q
man Eat at twenty PAGES. hsafl shot gun atmly