The New York herald., 1878-02-22
THE SILVER BILL.

DEBATE IN THE HOUSE ON THE SENATE AMEND
MISREPRESENTATION OF VOTES AND AP-
prevails AND DBNUNCrATIoxs OF THE MEAS
UnE-rHE BILL BEFORE THE PRESIDENT.
WARRINGTON, Feb. 81, 1873
In tho House Of Representatives. as tho expiration
Of tho morning hour, Mr. BLAND. (dsm.l OF No.
moved 70 60 business o. the Speakers table, and
It was agreed TO without objection.
Tho Bland Silver bill having been reached, tho
Senate amendments thereto were read by tho Clerk
Mr.. GARFIELD. rep) OF Ohio, reserved all points oi
order on tho bill
Mr. SPRINGER, ldem.) OF H., made the point Of order
that the bill, as IL stood. must nrst 60 to the
Committee OF tho Whole.
Mr.. FORT. trcp) OF Ill, hopcc his colleague would
withdraw his point OF order.
Mr. refused do 80, and said that II bis
motion succeeded in defeating q bill, which did
not
Ihe SPEAKER (inicfruptns)-The discussion OF the
Of the bill Is not In order upon tho point OF
order.
Mr.. SPRINGER said that no did not intend to mako
any actous opposition 10 the bill but desired to
place whore no could explain the OF vote
upon tho Dill, which could not DO done upon motion
to concur.
me- sAYLKR, (demL) Of Ohio. thought that the point
OF order we'll taken because the bill had been
passed undor suspension OF tho rules. II back
TO the House u bill passed Independent OF tho or
dinary rules OF the House; besides no never knew OF
bill being referred to tho Committee OF the Whole
on account Of any Senate amendment upon a simple
point OF order; that must be done by majority vote
Mr.. Cox, (dom.) OF N Y. said that he differed en-
tirely from the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Saylsr)
and ho argued that, under tho rule, amendments
should receive their FIRST consideration In Committee
Of the Whole. He (Mr Cox would voto Tor tho
measure with the Senate amendment to it, although
ne preferred tho original bill but ho would not In.
dorse any practice which would carry II through
without proper discussion according to tho rules
The SrxAkxn asked Mr.. Cox whether private bills,
originating In the senate aud involving appropra.
tions had been referred undor point OF order
10 tho Com mittec OF the Whole. ~
Mr. Cox replied that sh,s NOS private BILL The
OF tho Tuo that money should be taken
from the Treasury without full discussion. II this
bill did not 80 10 the Committee OF the Whole tho
principle OF that ruo would 20 violated He knew
that the Sp caker not apt 10 favor violation OF
The rules ior any purpose.
Mr. CARLISLE, (dsm.) OF KY, asked tho Speaker
whether ~ had been tho practice Of tho House
to consider in Committee OF the Whole Senate amond.
mcnss engratting now appropriations on House bills
Tho SPEAKER said he did not rccollect single In.
stance OF the kind.
Mr. CoxGxR, (rep.) OF Mich, suggested that II was
the practice any discussion whatever took place
measure Tor the speaker TO ruic that point Of
order then madc-t0 send to the Committee of tho
whoIc-camc too late. How much moro did that
principle apply when tho House bad by two.thirds
vote suspended the rules on such bill
Mr. BUTLER, (ropl OF Mass, said he rarely troubled
tho House points Of order because he never could
understand tno rules Of the House. THIS House had
sent to tho Senate bill TO do u certain tning-a bill
which contained no appropriation. Tho Senate IN It's
wisdom chose 10 make II an appropriation bill That
feature OF the Dill had never hud any consideration
the House at all, and SO tho rule could not apply.
There had been no giving up Of tho point by the pas
sage OF the bill under u suspension oi rules.
Tho discussion was continued by Mr.. sampson, OF
Iowa; Mr. Blackburn, OF Kentucky; Mr. Cox, OF Ohio; {;
Mr. Mcmahon, OF ohio, anu Mr. stephens, Of Georgia,
against the point OF order, aud Dy Mr. Games. OF
Rode Island, and Mr.. wh,lhorne, OF Tennessee, Ia
vOr OF II.
Mr.. GARFIELD, OF Onto, while not arguing abso-
uely either for against tho point OF ORDER repre-
cison o which, without duo consideration. might In
volvc great danger IN tho future
Mr.. STEPHENS (dem.) OF Ca, could SEQ no danger In
II because II cniiroiy within tho control 0 tho
majority The majority had right 10 send bill TO
any committee.
Mr. GARFIELD went on 10 say that no was not sure
whether, under all the circumstances, II would Oc
bcttcr TO act on tho bill without sending IL the Com
mttec Of tho Wnolos For bimself he desired 10 have
separate votes on each Of the senate amend fhents
and ho also Desired an opportunity oil offering an
amendment TO one OF them.
Mr. ONEiLI, rep oil Pal hope 10 have an op-
table That motion would tho OF the House.
and others who arc opposed to the renvnc izatIon
OF silver would thus DO enabled 10 put ourselves prop
cry on record against tins legislation tho DIS
tinct way. by tabiing tho uili ana amendment we
would dispose Of QUESTION which has agitatsd tho
0onntry and Is ssni Keeping businsss unsettled. IL