The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1878-06-14

IL ns "a matter of abundant caution so that
should rot gvi the matter wrong.
Con whose recommendation did you ap-
point that brother? Al lid not appoint him I;
the appointment was madc by the Collector. 4
Mr.. !. D. Cox obiec,ed 10 trying canse by in
nucndo. and Gcn Butl,r replied that chad not
been tryinR cmse hy iunuendo.
C.-tpon whose recommendation did YOU
make NE suggestion that AndersOn's brother
s92uT on Sf enS2nlSra 42n l. y the r. riet2mcnda an
upon the suggestion of James.
=. p.-Ner" You IN comfercnce last night with
,!hs !he, GoMniei Mh9 ,appGered lere Al net
Ini did not talk nhOut this cnse. | don't know
whether Know Jeremiah n. Wilson or not.
Mr.. CoN-Mhcn We began here the arrange
inent was made thnt counsel should he allowed
to nprrar. II this is to be made n park Of the
nros'cution and we arc To- be told thut pr any
i"ue1 Tor which he is here to be arralgned
Will simply say II 10 going further than ] ever
fay. now. distinctly. thnt we sit here AZ an in.
vestic1ting tribunal. and ii seems to mo we
ouGht 10 remember that we haye something OF
examination has seemed to me not to be proper
in that view. whatever else it s.
Mr. Butcr-Ihis is the second time that the
Eenileman irom phio has ch Jscn to undertake
here to comment upon me and my action.
asked him last night for his commission which
made me his inferior, from whom must take
comments he did not produce II. and | thought
II was hint 10 him that he had better not do it
any more. have all the rights and mower here
thht he has; | have only tie responsibility to
myself and my constituents for my acts ; want
neither words OF criticism nor commentator
OF reprooi. l know my duty and
my position as VOL as he does. and
have had IA much experience in courts ot JUS
tee as he has. | am only behind him in one
Kind OF experience. and that is Of no conse-
qusnc, here. ! never have been at tho head OF
u department. with clerks under me. and there
fore. perhaps. have not learned an ovehearing
manner to those with whom am associated on
an equality The United States is hero without
M kgtA flng To
Advocate. We are more liko tho Judges Of the
French courts. who conduct examinations
themselves. | feel bound to make these re-
marks. because ! do not choose that this un-
pleasant mstter shall 40 on. never have said
one word. except IN reply but how long shall
remain on tbs defensive is a question between
me and my conscience.
MIR. Cox-I have only to say this that without
to proceed at the beginning Of what seems to
me .ons investigation. SO far as my methods
may ho concerned IN approaching witnesses or
happy II the gentlemen Of the committee will he
severe in Judging whether orsno the method id
that OF one seeking as part Of judicial tribu-
nal, 10 get M the truth or that of one who.
having determined preludgment. is bent
upon proving II; no matter what may be the
circumstances OF the case. Now | propose to
continue making just such animadversions. IL
they shall seem 10 me to be necessary. but | will
not enter into any personal controversy III [
have been made TO feel that there is "A DISPOSE
ton 20 conduct the examination in manner
which is the extreme OF partisanship. shall
MIR. Butler-I also shall conduct my examina-
ton III tho way deem proper. | never expect
to make omeiettes without breaking eggs and
therefore come directly to the point ] want.
Mr. Cox-l observe not only the determination
tsmake omelettcs hut to break the eggs as we'll
In regard TO the gontemans course OF conduct
in the future, Will say that the proof OF the
pudding is in the eating.
Mr. Butlcr--You will find that tho pudding
Will be eaten. though. ll.auehter.l
Mr.. Mcmahon ttp witnessl-Give US the lam
gpagr that, passed between you and Secretary
sherman the day YOU got together when this
letter OF his to the committee was written? A.
As nenr as remember, when went in said to
nun that had received communication from
tne appointment clerk requesting me- 10 send
them. and had Thought Il best 10 wait Va on him
nrg n and @ bring a sSs @ 5 Mh B nv SSSSr g
examine himself whether these letters were
official or not. | replied that tnat was a matter
| had decided for myself whether the letters
We're personal or not. eut had no cnlection 70
the conversation. Then | submitted the letters
to him and he read each one himself.
,Q;-ls 1t not usual 10 require. some testimoni-
even when you have made up your mind TO
make the appointment A.-Yes, sir.
Q.-What official papers had Anderson on file
TO your knowledge on which you based your
intention to appoint him to this place that you
picked out A.-Nothing. whatever to base il
on. except that letter of Matthewss to me. l
acted on that solely.
9:TIAnId TIE particular letter on which you
Q.-Why would not the President sec Ander-
SOM Ale did not give any reason. hut was
very emphatic. and showed great disgust or
aversion. went to tell him that Senator Mat
thews had recommended this young man. a
political refugee from Louisiana. for appoint
ment in the Treasury that had offered him u
minor place. and that he had declined positively
taking any place in tho Treasury unless he
could have a larger salary. something Ike
50. 900: and that he had told mo. II | was TO see
him tthe Se-idenU. | woulq understand he was
10 have 1t larger place and he wanted to see
him. The President declined seeing him. He
said he was not aware that any recognition Of
that Kind Of Andrrson's services was required.
He disaNowed all knowledge OF any such un-
darsian ling-of any promise. | understood
tho President TO convey the idea that there was
no objection to appointing him To minor place.
He did not Instruct me not 10 appoint him and
inasmuch as | named to him that place ] GER
tainly understood | could appoint Anderson to
that place without his objection. The Presi-
dent did not say 10 me or convey to mo that
should not appoint him-any more than that
he showed his aversion TO having anything to
do with The man.
Q.-How lid he show il? A-The emphatic
way IN which he declined to see him. All he
declined TO do was TO countenance his being put
in q hlgher place.
Q.-Dd the President at this interview say
that Anderson had been appointed 70 n Consul
ship in the State Department. A.-No, sir. He
said nothing about IT,
The committee adjourned until tomorrow
morning,