The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1877-11-23
THE SENATE DEMOCRATIC.
CARPET BiGGERS CONOrER IND PAT
TERSON DESERT THEIR PIRIY.

WASHINGTON, Nov. 22.-In the Senate Mr..
Thurman Dem. Ohio said the journal was in
error in showing that the pending motion when
the Senate went into executive session yestcr-
day. was that Of Mr.. Hoar lRcp. Mass to lay
tho resolution to discharge the Committee on
Privileges and Elections from the further con-
slderation of the credentials Of NJ. G. Butler on
the table That motion had been Withdrawn.
Ho moved TO correct the journal.
Mr. Hoar opposed the correction.
Mr. Conkling tRcp.. n. W. after giving his
recollection OF what had occurred and denying
that unanimous consent had been given to the
Withdrawal OF tho motion, said: " This pro-
coedine yesterday was not accidental or care
loss. ! am positive In affirming that. The
motion to lay on the table was not a stray mo-
ton. The Senator from Massachusetts had. l
think. considered 1t. Other Senators had con-
sidorod ii also. 1t was not by accident that l
lost not moment. when tho motion
made. in demanding the yeas and nays upon
IT, My purpose was TO put the motion to lay
on tho table beyond reach OF recall or power Of
withdrawal by anybody have no hesitation
In avowing my reason for this. There had been.
II not rumors. whispers OF new and strange al
lancos II is to be hoped they are holy alliances.
Thore had been whispers OF alliances pending
for some time. and which were yesterday sus-
pected to have ripened into certainty alliances
relied upon to transfer the majority from one
side to the other side of the Senate. / felt 1t
my right to ascertain by the earliest method
who wore the allies. tho reserves and recruits.
and how many there were. 1t seemed that
motion to lay on tho table. not being debatable.
would produce very early revelation OF the
coalition. and show how II was that the control
OF the Senate was to pass away from
the majority as heretofore constituted.
and. like the star OF empire. westward
take its way. was quite particular therefore.
TO get upon the journal the fact that the const-
tutional onc-flth Of the Senate had ordered the
yeas and nays to be taken my object of course.
being that the forty-fourth rule Of the Senate
might operate. which rule is in these words;
ANY motion or resolution may be withdrawn
or modified by the mover at any time before
decision. amendment. or ordering of the yeas
and nays except motion and so on. l
speak Of my motive and purpose in order to
convince the Senator from Ohio that i, is next
20 impossible that such mistake was permitted
rs he now wants the journal to assert Mr..
Conkling quoted from his remarks OF the day be-
fore, showing that he had then called attention
y the fact that the yeas and nays being ordered.
Mr.. Hoar's motion could not be Withdrawn.
No senator had dissented, and the Chair had
Mr.. Thurman-what does the Senator mean
by saying that he had the acquicscenco Of the
ChairI The record does not say that the Chair
Mr. ConkinG-Indeed? Let me set my friend
right again. The Senator from Ohio rose and
rose with some might. after my statement that
the motion was still pending. He rose to as
sert for once at least the rules of the Senate.
He made a point Of order upon me- His point
was that was out Of order. because motion to
lay on the table was then pending and that
ways do. to the honorable Senator from Ohio.
congratulated him on appearing "a the cham
pion OF order. and took my scat with prompt
W nm ~ ha La of
the senators around me. The Chair did make
remark Just at this point and the record shows
ton TO lay on the table as pending ana rs cutting
OF debate. The honorable Senator from ONO
Will see that, had he not had the approval OF the
CHAIR when ho made his point oi order should
have been deemed in order, and for au-ht the
benator from Onto knows. ! might have been on
The flOOr 10 this time.
- Mr.. Eaton Dem. Conn.l-And talking still.
Mr. Comkling-And ms the senator from Con-
hecticut naturally says. talking stlU. So | was
quite warranted IN saying that | had the ap,
prova OF the Chair. II is time also that had
the great authority Of the honorable senator
from Ohio himself | submit. Mr.. President
that the journal ought not To lee amended 50 as
to get rid Of the motion TO lie on the table. 1t
cannot be so amended unless the Senate
should vote that when TIVE senators in con-
vorsatiOn. one saying, should like TO
make "A remark" and the other saying. /
have NJ obioction,. and i withdraw my motion
two Senators actually obliteratcs rule Of the
Senate. ~pnnges from the journal an order
Mllcn lu- been luf IN re- lN Ult-llltn OF TIE
Senate that the yeas and nays shall be tak zen,
and revrrSCs the whole prpceeding; and all
upon the theory as ! mpIst understand it, that
nt the time and what he said to the senator from
Delaware Is tantamount % the Chair propound-
Ing 10 the senate another question: namely,
whether IN spite Of the order for the yeas and
nays this motion should be withdrawn by
unanimous consent. and then declaring the
assent or dissent OF the Senate When
ascertancd. | beg 10 say for one that had the
Chair submitted that question | should have
~ "A = | hn 4 NO "a
tntcrpo- 'ng an objection. having myself asked
ior the yeas and nays To- the end that this mo-
md that Wa should thus know by whose votes
u - that success Is hoped Tor In motion 10 dis
charge thc Committee on Privileges and Elec-
tlons from case never investigated there or
here. and o. bring it here 10 be carried by man
i1rce. hy me- lOrcc OF numbers. when II had
bcen a. 'rtainet somewhere that numbers
Mr.. baiurl DEM Deli said he did not want
T. have the motion OF the senator from Massa-
ext nd.i 10 lm Mr. Bayarll. Tie Senator
tlr"ughoI, the senate chamibrr Of mol" or un
hply all .nhc.-. lie could only say that hc had
never heard such whispers, and. tar as he
Knew, th, werc No alliances upon which he
dld moi invite the fulles, light.
Mr. Ilutman said he had hoped the senator
sous OF honor was any more acute than that OF
other SENATORS. He stood by the record, and
We nonNr ui ia" senator was not at all involved.
hr knew l' wa, right IN tins matter; but, as
his lrl"ui from Delaware thought 1t placed him
" correct
Mr. Mn1om Wep. Mimi reported. with
hm'nlm. al-, ile House Joint res luton in re-
M'ph % Tic Paris Exposition, Placed Oh the
calyninr.
VIM. 4 Whecler then laid before tho Senate
ilr unlli4 4ed business, which Was the resOlu-
tpn ol Mr. Thurman - discharge the Commit
y on irh lnEos and Elections from the fur
tnnr consideration Of tho credentials OF NJ. G.
buier as senator from South Carolina. the
pending notion being that Of Mr.. ILJar to lay
thc rcHoutOn on the table. 1t was rejected
Seas 10. nays ~. as follows:
rhfAs-Mcssrs Ait~u BsN. Hrc,. Bfasiis CImerou,
Va tt!f" ~ IfrftueB. GaAiug UIfss, N4~p. EinDlh.
InM.n nm, H1fs ipgils Jpnss iNtN.l htLposd hcHit
t" NrneFs hwiN, M,'rh oytJy. iintlst i,Ihns So.
- sun 'Yfnfv, 1,Nef, WrNtuh. AMI WIHim- 80
,uhr' ''Tr, baNls uul Davis ~. Nal Donuis, Eaton,
HAiAul HNf itu Hams Hereford mn Johnston. Jones
VA linIr N0tgocry. VI DHuhH. NJ ih,r-un M.lri-
n.h is4n, F1ns.sH, knndplph, saui,hury Thurman,
L. ll4ha-
M"s,srs Ransqm, N.Cll Armstrong NIol, Ker-
Lan j. ~, aud MaAey iT-A.l, Dohoo rats. were
hUtel with Mcssrs Anthony (N. H.. Plumb
thanl. Cameron tWlsl, and Ferry tMich.l, Re-
khoilrnn7. The pair Of Mr.. Blaine tMeJ and
I, SiI, vi lN'r DOregohl on al pQllt al questions
WIS hnl'un el yesterday 10y Mr. IIamln.
lhe , ~ ltt having refused 10 lay thc resou-
sIu ~ tho table, the question required on its
hlOptun.