The New York herald., 1877-09-19

tho County Treasury? A. On tho contrary be was
always quarrelling with US people whom they called
ton which Mr.. Kelly was elected against Michael
Connolly; don't think Mr. Morrsscy had introduced
his system OF repeating thenhe had not brought his
repeaters from Philadelphia at that time
In reply 10 questions in the same line witness testi-
fed to the presumably honest manner in which Mr.
Kelly obtained such large msjoritles IN the SIXTH
Fourth and Fourteenth wards; witness ANXIOUS
would have Cheated to attain shS. result necessary
but It was not, Mr.. Kcy was very popular; witness
knew OF no frauds whatever committed by Mr.. Kelly
O. II you were in my position wanted TO find out
whether that air cleo ton tell me who would be
most likely to know in the Fourth ward? A. Thomas
Conan WAS then In the Fourth ward; in the Sixth
ward, Matthew T. Brennan and Morgan Jones; as TO
the Fourteenth ward could name a man that
could believe so will name no ono; Mr. Hayes would
be apt know most, and myself and Alderman Shields
would know, II anybody.
taken up entirely with questions suggested by John
Norrissey. These had been asked before the regular
OF questions to show the newspapers aud the
public that there was nothing partisan about the
animation. The regular course OF questions would now
AT this point Mr. Tweed remarked, 81 have got a
little statement about john Morrisssy here which
will read, and he proceeded TO read the following
JOHN MoRRIssEY REVIEWED.
From the testimony have given before this com.
mitIee think no one will believe that favor myself
as good. honest man. have now been doing what
most OF the papers and what all have advised to
do-tell tho whole history or the Ring believe am
doing right and am wiling to submit myself to the
just criticism OF any and all honest men. IL Is hardly
fair to me- however, that the public should be called
upon judge OF me out OF the mouths OF people worse
than myself Not only my public but my social rea-
tions have been made the objects OF criticism by the
Hon. John Morrssey. have known hm Tor about
twenty four years, and of him much longer. When
am made subject OF criticism by him IL is but fair
that the public should know who he is.
~ Court o. Oyer and Terminer the city OF Troy,
IN the December term of 1S45, this was indicted
for assault with intent to xiii. In the Apri term Of
ls49 he indicted for burglary, and a, tine same
time indicted Tor assault and battery, and At that
term convicted and sentenced TO jail tor sixty
days, having been tried on the Two indictments Tor
assault and battery and burglary. AT tho June
IN lS49 he was indicted for burglary. In the
city of Albany the 18th OF July 1861 he was con
vcted OF breach OF tho peace, adJudged to be fined
$40 and sentenced for "a term IN the Albany PeDen-
tiary at hard labor in OF nonpayment He spent
nine months In the Albany Penenllary in serving out
an assault with a dangerous weapon upon Thomas H.
Bulmer with intent TO Kill him. In tho same year and
on the same dS am ne was CoaSav or wh
TO xiii him. On the same day he was indicted Tor
feonious assault upon John f. II. Dagst, with intent
to kill him. These last three indictments were found
while A. Oakley haH was District Attorney for This
county During the whole of that time and up to
very few years past ne has been professional prize
fighter ana a public gambler a proprietor and owner
Of the worst places in the city OF New York, the
resort of thieves and persons Of the worst
character. Perhaps OF the worst faults which
can fairly be attributed to me Is having been the
means of keeping mis- gambling houses projected from
superior and at tho lime when tho ring was in power
such capacity always recognized IL Is hardly
fair that respectable papers should copy MS criticisms
upon me an induccment TO pubic belief and faith.
WITNESS REPRIMANDED.
Mr.. Tweed read so rapidly that whea he had con-
cluded he was fairly out OF breath. The members Of
the committee, who had been listening with conster
nation AT this unexpected episode in the exam nation
drew long breaths, and Mr. Cole, looking at tho wit
Tweed had felt called upon to read such docu-
ment. He didn't make that remark, he
sonaIly, but he thought it was highly wrong
for the witness to make his appearance before tho
statemcnt having bearing the questions before
the public Mr. Tweed asked II he was TO be
PEELED to sit silent and be abused by every public thief
that stands a corner 81 am tied, hand and loot"
SAID he; al am in JAIL and have no means oi sending
out negotiations TO anybody, whereas he is going
about boastiug that he has given dose and he
is going to give me another. l will give him one, l
guess, when he gives me that"
Mr.. Townsend arose and remarked to the committee
that when Mr. Tweed offered himself TO testify before
the committee he was wiling to answer all questions
propoundcd to him, but that when no attacked
state 10 the committee the character oil tho
man If he knew him. When newspaper,
such as the Times for instance, copied extracts
from another paper as being evidence Of what Mr.
Tweed Is, out OF the mouth OF somebody, II fair
for Mr. Tweed to get up and say that it right
for the public to judge him out OF the mouth Of such
individual II all tnet Mr. Tweed had said Of Mr.
Morrissey were true Mr.. Townsend thought that
enough time had been wasted in considering
then apologzed to the committee, stat.
ing that he had no intention Ql dong anything
TO but at the time begging permission to defend
himself. Mr. Townsend begged leave to remind the
COMMITTEES that the questions spoken OF had been put
out OF the mouth OF Mr.. Morrssey, in his own
language. Mr. Cole replied to tho effect that the
questions had been put by the committee, and there
fore, coming naturally from them direct ''Mr. Nor
rissey does not pretend that he knows anything in
gard TO these matters said Mr. Townsend "bu simply
says, will Mr.. Tweed answer such aud such ques-
tions?' He is placing himself before the community
as one Of those men who had the governing of the
1,u,fc Af tt,a Tn IN, n
Tweed has said, know nothing about the questions
asked, but will tell you who the man is VINO puts
them"
Mr. Cowng moved TO expunge the paper from the
record, not being part OF The proceeding, and Mr..
Townsend consented, with the understanding that the
document should go before the public through the
press. Mr.. Cole hoped that the witness would there
after copnne himself strictly to answering questions
put to him, and Mr. Tweed said that he would en-
deavor to do so.
BROOKLYN BRIDGE SUBSIDY.
Mr. Cole-What was your connection with tho
Brooklyn Bridge, Mr. TweedS A. Well, 1t Is long
story.
q. But first tell me what was your connection with
itY A. was al time trustee and stockholder.
O. What stock did you ownY A. l think 1t was 420
shares owned so far rs paid instalmenis on IL.
q. How did you first become a stockhoder or in any
way become connected with the Brooklyn Bridge
A. don't know The year; cannot name the year,
can | be exact in amounts
O. But about A. Alter Was in the Senate IN 'GS
or '69---I am not which; 6S | think--Mr Henry
Z. Murphy called me aud SAID he was President OF
the Bridge Company and desired to have the Common
give them money 10 tho amount Of $500, 900.
told him | was not member OF the
Common Council AZ that time. ''Wcll,' -
he SAID 'could ycu influence them ~
said | had not done any lobby ng business with
them, but would sec what could DO short lime
after he called again; In the meantime had
convcrsed with person connected with the Board of
\ dermen, and he told me act authorizing the
Comptroller to bonds could be passed by paying
for 1t, and ! asked him how mu,h IL would
cost2 We talked the matter aud
INK $55, 600 or 600 1nally agreed upon /
told MIR Murphy oi II aud he told go ahead and
make negotiations; did SO, and the money was APP
proprlated; can't tell just exactly what transp,rcd
among the Aldermen but the result was the Brooklyn
bridge got $l,500oOO; think bonds issued,
and after the bonds issued Mr..
Murphy called on me ana mad DAY appointed TO pay
the money and ne proposed that Mr. Peter b. Swee-
ny and myself should subscribe TO the stock we did
so; not directly al the tme but little while AFTER
paid the money into Mr.. Thomas Coman's nands
Z. Did you tell Mr. Murphy you were going to get an
ordnance passed by paying Tor IL? A. That the
substance Of what told him.
@ Which members OF the Board OF Aldermen got that
money! A. That don't know, as there but one
gentleman with whom had dealings.
@. VINO was that gentleman A. Thomas Comans
q nd youp va n IN 10 IN IA bu A