The Abbeville press and banner. [volume] (Abbeville, S.C.) 1869-1924, 1877-11-07

undergraduates. Nv Sti lI'i''t'V q 'Ir''' NV
This meeting. After il was sighed! hitin't 60,
= any more for several years, not until this
year.
G. Atthat conversation. who stnted there
was "a an balance on hand ~. Mr.. CarlnzO
Q. VIII decided in what name the c"rtif'
cafe should be made out "A. l have norrrol'
lection TINT the question WINS decided there
Glcnvcs, I think. was having the rnper pre-
pared. Subsequent to that there was q joke
passed around.
Mr.. Melton I don't want any joke.
Gen. Conner: Was there any discussion n
10 whose name the paper should nc made In
a.. I don't remember that there was. There
was something said as to how the paper Wa'
To he drawn and used. tilcavrS said: ant
Joe Woodbury. will attend to that
@. Was there any discussion MS to VINO
should present the paper for payment "a
There was something said as TO how II shOulC
get into the treasury.
@. Who said that ~. / think. Cardozo. =,
Q. What wns agreed npon:-A. think
Glcnvcs said that "Joe will attend to that
Joe will have 1t fixed"
q. Is there any such person as the ono ir
whose name that paper is drnwn:-A don
know any such person. -,
@. H. is Tor legislative expenses?-A. That
hat It says on It's face.
Q. What are legislative "a. Such
MS for stationery, fuel, incidental expenses o
committees. &C.
@. In your experience az an o1nccr OF Int
House for SO many years, did you ever meet
Frankfort "a. I never knew such q person,
O. Is IL a genuine or fictitious name on thai
paper "A. So fnr MS 7 know II is fictitious:
the paper should be in the maine Of a genuine
! or hctftious person "A. The certificate was
to be in the name Of a fictitious person:
q Who brought you that certificate for your
signature "A GleaVeS.
a. How long after the conversation In the
presidents room was thatf-A. A day or sc
| afterwards, :.
to you "a. Gleaves and Woodruff had sigh
o. Who was president OF. the Senate at thai
time.-A. Gleaves.
O Who was clerk "A Woodruff
Q Who was clork OF the Aouse?-A, ~, y
O. W'ho was treasurer "a, F. l.. Cardozo
Q, The paper was %broughtto you by the clerk
O. You never saw 1t again "a, Not until
. O. Did You have any conversation afterwards
with Gleaves or Cardozo in regard to this
certificate "A. Yes. SIR,
Gleaves,. Sometime after the making " the
paper Glcavcs and myself went to Curdozo's
house, and we spoke about 1t then,
., Was that the first conversation you had:
"A, l never had any other appointment Will
Cardnzo, Ihad with Gteaves,-
O. What was thai conversation
Objected to by Mr., Melton on the ground
that Gleayes is not on srisl, and his drsln m,
| IlOUS u VIC HaokSa, <AsSSa e'>
Court ruled that In prima facle evidence
conspiracy between three Of the parties sucf
evidence would be admissible, Exception
takon by Mr., Melton,
State-House, Gleaves. said TO ME we will u
around and get our share OF Fankfor
on-the-Main. -
@. Conner; What d,d that mean:-A. Th'
certificate was familinrly called, Frankfort
o. Well, did you 60 at that timee-A. W,
did not.
was set to 60, and accordingly We did 60
Gleaves and myself went round 70 Cardozo'
house In u earriage.
Q. Whose carriage ?-Gleave's cnrriage..
O. You Went to CardOzo'E house. Win
took place there IA. We met CArdozo In hi
iibary, and Ne gave each Of Us SSDO in Vertifi
Gates Of Indebtedness.
@. State what took place as nearly rs yo1
can "A. We didn't remain very long.
don't KNOW that can repeat the entire con
k ,anaed Us tho ny certif1eaies Of i in deSt GMsR h h
said ri keep anine and pay Jones ant
Woodruff theirs. Perhaps there was some
thing else said:
WINS not one certificate but a batch.
q. How much did you get?-A Eight hun
tired dollars face value.
Q. What was the market yalue?-A. I
vaciilated from 30 to 6nccntS at that time.
Q. 1t WAS receivable for taxes. was 1t not 2
\. And the nearer II approached to the collcc
ton or taxes the more IL enhanced In value
Q. What did You do with yours'-A. I pai'
debts with 1t.
Q. All you nave related took place in thi
county and this State?-A. Yes. sir.
@. You saw the date when that certificate
was handed to you for signature "A. l mus
IN yp Se,n II"
Q. You knew at the time TINT it was ante
q. Was anything said in the president
room in regard to the date OF the paper "a
7 think thatthe agreement wa that the papc
was that the agreement was that the pape
was to be Issued under tho act TO make appro
priations for the special session.
THE CRoSS-ExAMISATIoN:
The witness wa then cross-e1amined q
great length by. Mr.: Melton, tesrfying az fol
lows: The said the amount wis to be divi
ded among them. and 1t would make u nic,
Christmas dinner; b certificates wers pre-
were always prepared by the president Of tn
Senate and the clerk. 4 joint certificate va
agreed on because the responsibility would b.
divided between four instead OF two. A
drawn irregular certificates, and may hav1
done so for An amount equal TO this one
Joint certificates were usually signed befor
being cut from the book. a say whcthe
lc uECH CSlllhChtSb hSACCSS " NpIJT OlT itttOl
they were sometimes drawn before the appro
priation bill was approved. The House woul,
pass q resolution 10 Issue pay certificates ant
even Irregular or fraudulent certificates. Is
sued after the resolution. would be dated so a
to correspond with those In payment OF mem
bers. Could not tell whether certificates wer,
issued In excess OF appropriations without tn,
clerks comprising and balancing their books
transaction in August last to some Of the in
vestigating committee; was brought bcfOr
the committee after having been arrested
and lodged IN Jail In default OF bail. Befor
the chairman; did not then tell all he knew
IL not positive that he spoke Of this tranSac
ton. The arrangement with the committee
was that II he was used rs q witness. he shoult
was not 50 used his confession would be con
sidcred rs made under duress and not used
Only agreed TO tell when the truth. II 4
suited them, they. were to use it; and II not
to cancelit. Nothing was said about maxim,
his testimony weak or strong. Hind. one IN
terriew with the committee before this ar
rapgement was made. After q few days VA.
released on bail for 5000 good bond. Eothin,
understanding that he was TO testify here q,
he did there. Had no arrangement with c0ln
mittec as to resigning the solicitorship. Til
chairman merely told him that the commit
tee wished him to resign.
REDIRECT EXAMINATION.
witness knew nothing about the mex
pended balance OF the appropriation, eNccp
what Cardozo and GleaveS told him, ii an,
fraudulent pay certificates were drawn durint
his speakcrship they were paid by Cardozo II!
treasurer: knows OF fraudulent certificate.
paid by Cardozo: remembers q Joint certiticlt,
In tavorof F.. L. Christopher; 1t was an irreg
ular certificate; knows no person Of that name
1t was given to be hypothecated to secure ,
note for " % thousand dollars made by ,lcavcs
and endorsed by Neagle. Owens, md witness
tn nav the eSnPnRnS Of q rom nniffpa u.hir1
went TO Washington to cOunteract the com
mlttee from the Taxpayers convention; til,
note was discounted by Governor Scott: wit
ness wns never called on TO pay as endorser
while in Washington az q member Of thu
committee, endorsed q second note, which
WAS exchanged with Scott for the first; Cur
dozo was not an endorser hada conversation
with Gleaves, and perhaps Cardozo, Us to how
to ralse this money; can say Cardozo kncv
Of this particular certificate; the name OF +
L. Christopher was intended to be fictitious
Woodruff destroyed the name.
TIE OF WOODRUFF.
Josephus Woodruff sworn: Was clerk 0
Senate since 1857. Gleavcs told him he wish
cd this certificate drawn In accordance witt
an understanding he had with the State treas
urer; that there was uneXpended appr0priu
tion for legislative expenses which courd h
divided among the five; witness drew tin
again in CardozO's hands; witness ant
Gleares spoke about It; The namewitness In
serted was the name OF c. L. Frankfort, an,
he meant 1t to indicate F. l.. Cardozo; IN
considered suchlcertificates risky. md wish
ed to indicate the party for whose benefit |
was drawn; witness received 800, and III
derst0od that all five were TO ret the sum,
amount: paid Cardozo S2,400 in certificates O
Indebtedness and received from him this Ger
t~ificate, which Cardozo said would be. pni'
when the taxes came in turned over Il,
certificate to the Republican Printing Com
lnny ; the certificate OF Indebtedness belong
cd TO that company, and was held by Cnrdoz,
for them. Witness produced his fhmou