The New York herald., 1877-10-04

regular democratic delegates Tor New York esS, and
no wished them 10 be called. (Great cheering
Tne cnA again called apos s,s Ms
The hisses were renewed 50 thst mr. Apg-r cou'd
~ Mr WAr,,rR raised tho point Of order that nothing
was in order iii the roll had been called.
The oHAis SAID ssrhs question now IS which roll TO
mir. wAAuSEs claimed that Tho only roll In order
was that furnished by the STATE Oomm.ttse LII,
the CHAIR Assemb bly, rules provided Tor roll
OF members Of the Assembly furnished by the Secrc-
tary state. As there Is no Secretary Of State 70 ms
Convention that rule of Assembly could not apply
The CnAIa again called upon SIR. Apgar TO read The
resouson last Convention IN relation 70 calling
''''- MR. ArGAR KISSED DOWN.
Mr.. Apgar stepped forward, but Was sgain inter-
rupted by confusion and hisses ~
Mr. wAKHSER raised the point OF order that MIR. Ap.
gar not member OF The Convention.
The CHAIR stated that he mad right TO call on any
one he saw ht for Information to be gwen 70 Inc Con-
ventIoD.
a. the call OF tho Chair Mr.. McQuADE said he did
not know the point roll call, but ne did knowit was
proper 10 ca cr formation from any member OF tho
State Con- mttee IL - not Tor US just now 10 pass
upon regularity Of any delegation. he hoped The
Char would not be howled down in his attempts to
furnish needed infornston tAppaussl
M & .. q % s ns Of
he (Mr schel recognized, as hc Was present at tho
Convention in 1915 when that resolution was offered
Mr.. ROCKWELL, Of Chemung arose TO u ioint oil
order aud said that Mr. Scheil not delegate as
no (Mr. schell) refused 70 act ON committee but
Tho CHAIR decided the point well takcn.
Agar READS
Mr.. ArGAR read . resolution providing tnat mere
inter the State Committee IN preparing tho roll Of
con ycnton, shall recognise case OF contested deie
gates Only whs presen. credentials rom suSn
Con venton &C. he was interrupted by calls TO order
whea he followed the reading With an explanation az
to what the State Convention had done under said
delegate insisted that this Convention made its
own rule not 10 be governed by TIE orders 0i
a iormer convention. There much confusion
A aecgatc called lor Mr.. Apgars exclusion from the
Mr. FAuLkSKR, OF Livingston, insisted that nothing
was IN order but the cali OF ths roll
Messrs Morrsssy AID Kelly rose each 70 present rsn
cheers M
An indescribable confusion ensued.
Finally the CHAIR yielded the noor 10 MI SHAW o!
Oscso WHO made appeal for order, and protested
against The nlericrcnce snd conuson made by spec
tat0rs or by iriends Of tho testing deiesatlohs
JOHN KELLy's
Mr.. KELLY--I simply rise 10 correct the gentleman
tho resolution passed ai Tho Con vcn,on The resou
ton was passed IN 1875 put subseq ucntly
a. u'ica 1870 rcsolntion Mas oaerea ~ hr ~
in conSenton and that tIose contestinE their seats
should also SIT IN the Convention unt their right 70
a seut decided by cV.amittec apponicd Tor that
pu rpose Tho last resolution, the chairman Will see
is The one winch was offered oy Mr. Besoe IN the Con-
perfectly willing that the number OF contestants IN the
Convention from the city and county ofNew ork shall
in tho Convention along with the regular delegates
untl committee is Appontedt decide whether tney
have right "a, Sit IN the Convention. Nsag
JOHN MoRRIssEY SPEAKS Also.
Mr. MoRRissEy-L rise to answer tho gen ntlomnh
from Suillvun i say that all the districts III New
York contested and under the resolutions passed
1878 and 1876 tho members sitting in those conven
tons shou d this one We ask that privilege and
only until the Credentials are sent 10 the Commit
tee on Contested Seats aud have been passed upon by
MI WEST OF Jefferson, suggested that the roll Of
the Tam many dciesatss 10 hrst Gated.
The CHAIR said ho would order the roll TO be called
of all tho delegates from New York. s.e4-
Mr. KKLLr said that onc-third or the true delegates
r. nnniAln M nd
mission TO ths haL Ho asked that sckcts OF admis-
sion nc furnished them.
The CHAIR said had no knowledge on that SUBJ
ject and ordered the cal 50 proceed.
Mr. EocLEsISE, pending the call of the Tammany
delegation said nearly al hs associates were w.tnout
The CHAIR again said he had no knowledge on that
subject .-y.
FIVE MORE NEW YORK DELEGATIONS.
Mr. PEcknAM, o Albany, sad there were i've other
had been banded TO the state Com mllee, and asked
that they also bo Called.
Tue CHAIR ordered 1t and they were road.
Mr.. BROOKS. of Richmond, announced tho subst-
tuton OF Richard Croak in tno place Of Sidney Raw
son, and Erastus Brooks tor David Roland.
person rising from his sedt in the gallery claimed
to be oi twenty-scveu contcstng delegates IRON
Kings, and asked that The list be read
The CHAIR said be could not recognize the appli-
Taa REEVES Of M saok oefsd @ S
committee oil from each congressional district be
appointed on contested seats 9 +lssae f.
VERY STRANGE DISCUSSION.
Mr.. WEST, OF Lewls, moved 10 amend by substtut-
ing the following 1ei8 N1N taa tNt tt <}#
Resolved That q eommiitee Of one from each Con-
district TO Dc chosen By the dssgates
be Al - & q 60" s sna as no
whose seat Is contested. 81 iae l6s AAes h1N" PIP
Mr. WEST said he mado hts motion in the interests
OF harmony. rhc Original resolution provided that
the Cnar appoint tho comm ttee anu that comm tteo
would 10 the creation OF the State COMMITTEE body
whose functions have been already discharged and
who are aoout to 60 existence. He was opposed
huui anv def
this Convention.
Mr. EEEBE Of sullivan, seconded the proposition Of
the gcnlcm an from Lewis. He Cllimed that respec-
live delegations state conventions had suffered III
their rights by reason OF denying tDs right Of repre-
| seutatiOn to ihem. He desired to know why this
STATE Committee wanted this nigh prerogative Tue
| Char had sounded the keynote of the coming cam
paign-that of the right OF representation This
would DC tho issue, ana We must MAINTAIN It here as
| well as elsewhere He then passed IN review tho
of the returning boards ut the south and CON-
pared 1t with the proposition made here by the state
Committee, which received with groat applause.
| Mr. SHAW, Of 0tscgo, opposed the amendment and
advocated no original resolution He did not believe
| that the temporary chairman would PACK the Commit
tee on Creden tals, and when II sLoud make It's report
the cssc would s 10 within the Conventon's power.
/ era FairchId, argued hat the uniform custom OF
democratic STATE conventions had been 10 repose IN
the hands of the temporary chairman the power 10
make the Committee credentials He could see no
good reason ior changing the custom
Mr. McQuADE OF Oneida, also argued IN favor OF
appo n me mt Dy the Chair, wuo would be responsible
ior his nomina,ions, no mater wnethcr the STATE
Committee anybody else may have suggested Inc
! names whicnNe may titus adopt 4yae..
Mr. DEWITT, oi Kings, caicd attention 10 the iact that
under the proposed amendment no distrct 10 which
there rs nave any voice IN the chuice oi
the committee TINS waa trsns parcni contr vance 20
Gsirapchise one-thiru o. tins CoLventop, becahso u
phaEtu4n delegations that come uefe 10 furnish
pretexl for excuding large poriitn oil those truly
arnl hcre 10 represent tho party. ihe cu c ol "a
Would bu 10 ntrod ucc aiseora 10 break the natmvny
wn,ch should urie the party N The coming cimragu
There something eise 10 0s considerea than iani'
many and anti -lammany tAppause}
| POINTS FOR TEMPORARY CHAIRMAN
| Mr. ROCKWELL, oil thcmuns. Claimed that The
Assembly ruics give 10 the Char the appointment oil
ali ,omm,ticcs. Why, ihen, take from tue Cnair tue
iuuet,ons conferred upon HIM by the rules SO unani-
mousy adopeu
ii ME PscknAa OF Albany, said that the question was
whether The Conve nton shouds depart irom the Gus
! tom and ,h. rule governing former conventions, aud
lake from the prcsiuiDg officer his rights as sucn
| officer. incidentally no rcmarked that the Assembly
rules 40 givo the Cnalr power 70 appoint all com
nutces unless otherwise ordered by Tho othcr side oil
| the House. daughter anu applause) The gentleman
! from Lewis says IL Is un democratic, OUT ne tAir
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