The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1877-04-22

ufes al Albany-tht3 session.
hr Twecd-None whatever (mournfuiy) u you
mean Tor the purpose VI affecting Legislation; only
want TO elect my release; am ike starting, want
10 get Out; have had enough OF this lwith . a'nt
smile aud leaning back in his chair; would rather
walk out than be carried out and am between the
Two points now take interest in pohucs or any.
thing else; want TO get out; have not been talked
10 about legislation OF this year IN any way; don't
know anything about legislation. except what see IN
the ncwspapers don't take any part In politics ana
iAmost inaudibiy) ! don't expect again only
want TO get OUT have protected others long enough
whether the by Attorney General of this state
ment you have referred TO depended upon the release
oil yourself as consideration or couditonY
a LITTLE FOGGY.
Tho witness did not understand this question. and
IN reply TO u and two others, In which the Senator
tried 10 make bis meaning more clear, he said any
rclessc depended entirely upon whether could give
more service TO the public NJ large than could IN jail
That Is The arrangement with Mr O'Conor. Ny re-
lease depended upon my ability 70 corroboraIe tho
statements, AS understand H."
Senator schoonmaker--The point. Mr.. Tweed. is
his--whcther the Attorney General Will 90 ~ liberty
leasedy
returned 10 Mr.. Townsend.
senator sprague-Do understand that n you are
used A. = witness you DO discharged
MT Twced-That 10 the understanding; yea sir
Senator Carpenter said that you were per-
fecsiy asiounded 70 see the statement published; do
you mean Ihaty
Mr. Tweei-I mean 10 say was perfectly astoundcd
20 see thus statement published IN tho paper-sh's
statement As saia before there may be some lew
facts H. out the most OF 10 ~ fiction.
senator bradley handed TO Mr. Tweed copy Of tho
offered 70 make iu surrender ano Il was iden,lled
@say.' '''' " '''A ~ ''' ''''''1 - A'' ''''''
JOHN D. TOWNSEND OK THg STAND
AZ the request Of Senator Sprague Mr.. John D.
Townsend was then affirmed a witness. Before
answering any questions no made preliminary stale-
The effect that he felt liberty to state the
committees anything that no knew when did not
some formal questions Sir sprasos asked nm whether
he had not on the 10th inst. delivered to the Attorney
General az Albany paper parporng to be statement
made by " nliam N. Tweed
cuSlEssIoS rnE ATTORNEY GENERAL
NO, sir," no replied II did not; tho paper de.
lvcrcd . statement rot written BY Mr. Tweed and
NOT signed by him. but statement OF facts which was
represented by me 10 tho Attorney General us test
mony which Mr. Tweed would give IL required by the
state and on condition of hrs release; that Is the
only statement that have iurni shed tho Attorney
cencrai-thc only complete statement Think shortly
AFTER my connection with Mr. Tweed prepared a lei.
ter which, understood Il, originally contained
VI the matter which contained IN the last
The last sia,emsnt which delivered to the Attorney
General Monday last nc his Office in Albany pre-
larod by ine IN The capacity OF Mr.. Tweeds counsel
aud hold u 10 conndcnce, except far in my
Judgment y was necessary ~ make uso OF II before II
senator ssrssus-Sow before you wont to Albany
tho contents OF that statement or any OF them
communicated 10 any newspaper or newspaper
sttacney
Mr. ro~nsend-Nono whatever; was an opjec. of
attraction to reporters, but believe Ia did
l ever state the conlcntst ~ anyone.
senator spragus-were The contents carefully kept
Mr.. Toxpscnd-rhey never left my house except in
my possession until took the cars Tor Albany.
senator sprsguc-when you delivered that state
TO the Attorney General what tho agreement
between you aud him IA reference 70 making It's con-
tents publicg
M Townsend-wo had distinct understanding
that unicss Mr. Tweed DO released from prison
contents. except tor such purposes no chose
thsln tbs paper Was 10 DO returned 10 without my
boay seeing them, except such persons he 1.-THE
Attorney General) deemed necessary
senator spsagae-D,d you deliver tho statement
into The hands OF The Attorney Gcueralf
Mr.. Townsend i did. aud cannot conceive OF any
way which any body else, connected with q ncws-
,spsr desire 10 state that lhere was 10 my present
Remembrance, except Mr. Tweed and myself, the Al
torney General and one other genticman--not taking
Into consideration Mr.. rwceds private secretary,
who, eelsve. did SEQ u portion Of u or
heard 10 read-no other person In existence who had
state also shss my reason tor showing portion Of Il
10 tbe other person was this;--1he Attorney General
took The grouad that he never would suggest move
Tor Mr. Tweed; ~hst he wanted o. M. Tweed that
the latter should entire aud thorough dcscrp
ton oi all matters which no knew Of which bore on
snd details IN every gay; o course that was 4 very
broaa thing, aud Mr. Tweed would have 90 rely entirely
spoa he memory; Gas very de..rous tina. The ,n,Dg
everything aud got all down went To gentleman
who ~iIl say ~ prominent and who would DO hkoly
10 Know things that We might havo forgotten, and
asked MIN whether he could shink OF anything other
than had Siyen-any evidence Mr.. Tweed mad not
lied never sona divnge ~ ~ 70 Was given TO him IN
confidence
senator sprasse-ls DO a counsellor AZ laws
Mr. Townssnd-rhst cant say, sir.
To soLIrUpk AGAIN.
THIS ended tho examination, aud Mr. Tweed. who
had retired 90 hts private room a. the close OF his own
a occasional remark with tho members OF the com
mtlcc they stood drawing on their pre-.
paratory To leaving. As they died aud LETT tho
little chamber IN It's customary ioneliness the man
who once ruled tho State OF New YORK placed hts
hands wearily upon hrs hips, gaxcd wisliuliy tor
fuQ IA AFT den hen
into char turned and found himself alone with his
counsel
At TnK rirrn AVENUE MorEL
There anxious waiting among The politicians for
the return u the committee from Ludlow Street Jail
the Fifsn Avenue Hotel. and u until four
O'Clock that there came relief 10 The suspense Then
The TOUR senators stepped IRON their carriage al tho
front entrance, and after a short and hurried inter-
with then. word was passed round that the
mittee had nad Tweed under examination Tor four
hours. aud that Lc had talked straight along" open
season.
Sir. Hugh Hastings had becn subprnaed before tho
committee for two O'Clock. aud he, with ex-senator
winslow. promeLaded tho corridors OF tho hotel tor
Alter luncheon the committee met IN parlor .. aud
the nrst aud only witness examined MAS Mr. Hugh
Hastings
Mr. Hastings, IN reply 10 questions W senator Car
pcntcr said thai he was BY occupation an editor aud
Tor about eight years. had resided IN Albany tor nearly
forty years interest politics ana 10 tue pro-
cccdngs state Legislature Tor nearly thirty years
was acquainted with senator woodin; Knew hm In the
years 1870 and 1871 and generally saw him when he
THE wiiLcss) went 10 Albany.
AcQUAI>rA>cE wirn rvkkD
Arc you acquainted with William 81. Tweeds A.
Yes, err.
y How long have you known hms A. Some
twenty or twcnty-tive years
Y During tboss twenty years have your reiat ons
with Mr. Tweed been OF very intimate. pleasant and
friendly cbsrsotcry A. wuh some exceptions, our ac-
qualnfancc Was very lntiaa.c.
Y How did ,oa regard him In tho winter Of issoi
A. Pleasantly.
Did you take active interest IN the passing the
charscr known ~ tho Tweed cAsrtcrs A. No, sr. not
a active intsrsst.
Did you take an active interest 10 the proceedings
OF the Legislature curing that wInsers A. Ia the
Electoral Law was quite Interested
v DId YOU 40 up there asd nrgc ;ho passing of the
Electoral .ax Tor the cay oil New lsfkf A. Yes. sr,
tor twenty-five years 4 have been In Albany tor the
purposs OF looking alter hex lslaton.
TuK rxExrs an0rs.SD DOLLARS.
v Had you any Transaction ~th i~eed In reference
10 the passage of q bl before the senatcf A. No str
" Dad MI Tweed, some Gays belofe alter tue
passing OF the cnartsr, give yoa cheek lor So vuDs
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