The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1877-05-25
Thu BNLLIGERENY PASTORS.
Phan1 Mccarthy Fighting tie Charges.
Els Accussr Failing
THE LIE AMONG MINISTER'S.
Mr.. Sweetser Called "A Man With a
Moral White LIVER


cipine OF the Universast Church yesterday resumed
the trial OF the Rev. @. P. Mccarthy the charges
prefcrrad against him by tho Rev +. Z. Swcoiser.
larger crowd was present than on the day before
Thcy were mostly composed Of the female members o.
the bcllircrent pastors congregational and separated
themselves into two groups according their ~ m
path,es were with Mr. Mccarthy or Mr.. Swectser
The committee opened proceedings by announcing
their decision in regard TO tho third and iourtn
charges against Mr. Mccarthy These charges wore 20
the effect that he had violated his trust In that xhen
he was dismissed from the Blocker street pulpit ne
immediately started another society in the same neigh
borhood and tried 10 draw people alter him.
also in that abe claimed 10 have grievance against
tho trustees OF the society and proceeded 10 sue them
A. the law instead OF appealing to your honorable
body for Sc Element Of the difficulty, thus acting IN
opposition to the express commands OF the Bible
Matthew xviii, 15-17 l. Corinthiana VI, 1-'-anc 10
the bylaws of our State Convention The committee,
who had heard arguments this po:n, the previous
day decided that tho charges !! proven, would coz
g,tute no offence and therefore ruled them out OF or
der The trial then proceeded with, after an m
enec,ual protcs. from Mr. Mccarthy aganst Ar. Gun
nison acting rs clerk.
1LEEcKER STREET SOCIETY,"
Mr.. sweetser read the 9th charge-That Mr.
Mccarthy showed "a spirit OF wickednsss and dis
LOYALTY in saying to him that this SUIT should come
10 trial il would ruin the Blocker Street Society"
This he proceeded substanate by giving the details
of n conversation between himself and Mr.. Mccarthy.
IRE latter had spoken tho words alleged, he said, IN
threatening mannor. sir. Mccarthy replied that his
words SO far from showing spirit Of disoyalty,
might have merely shown his desire 10 Keep out Of
trial through for the church. order TO avoid an
exposure that would DO dlsgraceful to the Church.
HIS accuser presumed to Judge Of hts manner Of
speaking and the spirit in which he acted. The point
n, issue was not to be decided by what might be his
accuscrs opinion Mr.. Sweetser answered that Mr..
McCarthy's words were spoken IN very puenacious
manner. s.Supposng, +" SAID hc that Mr. Mccarthy
Mad sued the Board of Trustees Tor certain amount
OF money, he after the money Therefore he pro-
fesses to know that II he presses the SUIT he viii bring
the whole Church INTO dlsrepue und ruin, unless the
Board viii compromise with him. II that Is love.
ommcnd me 10 hate"
ale has not noted the legal point lake. !" Mr.
Mccarthy SAID, (Which Is the absence o. evidence.
He is trying to bolster up one opinion by smother.
He says thatl was alter the money again bringing 10
his bassea judgment. ! did not care Tor the money II
they had lei my character alone But when my ira
ducers conspired with prosecutor 70 touch my char
acer, then claimed every cent that am entitled 10
81 aid not say he was after tho money made sup
POSITION Mr. Sweetser explained In angry tones
lied
Dr. Saxe-Order order &t
Mr.. MCCarthy-He gave me the lie direct yesterday
and you ditnt reprove him for IL
DR.. SAKE tsming)-Wei, we must DO better to-day,
Mr.. Mccarthy.
only difference is that you need more Of It than DO
tApplause from Mr. hcCartny's portion 0: the au-
d.cncc.) state that he he'd, and apologize to you
for having SAID but rue and that's the reason
l made tho remark.
DR.. saxe-ln regard to the nfth charge. VIC decide
that the statement itself Is not necessarily wicked.
but the vi II might be construed wickedy, and
that part oil 1t we now propose 10 consider.
Mr. Mccarthy protested In o long argument, de-
ivered by mis- counsel, Mr.. H. H. Shook, but their
protests were OF no avail The committee proceeded
to ind out whether spirit Of wickedness could DC
shown from Mr.. McCarihys manner in using the
words referred 10. Mr. Swectser was asked 10 de-
scribe Mr. McCarthy's manner, and replied as FOL
lows ITO describe his manner IL very difficult u Is
one OF those indescribable things. ! can hardly say
what his manner was-in general very lively motion
o. his hands, with y somewhat upward tendency on
that occasion, and the tone OF his voice
was very Tar from being musical but one
IN which people usually express anger. That's
next gwen las he ABOUT TO leave the
house, said Mr. Sweetscr, The said to me that was
stand IN his position, winch replied that hoped
! never shond, whereupon he evidently understand
ing TO mean that hoped should never stand 10
"a poston morally, SAID TO that II did stand II
his position morally should stand great deal hignel
than did,
Mr ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS true. Great laughtcr)
Mr. Sweetscr-Immedlately tnercGpon be used the
words have quoted IN the charge.
Dr. Sake ttor the communicative rule that the evi
dence gwen under this charge is incompetent and ~
admissible. and, therefore, 10 be stricken out We
rule that the charge, being unsusa'ned by evidence
UNlvERsALIsT CHURCH DOCTRINES.
The sixth charge was taken up-viz., that HE NC
Carthy had said IN Mr. sweelsers hearing that the oil
versaiist Church enthusiastically utter failure. Al
there witnesses and great deal would depend
or Mr. McCarthy's intention IN using the words. thu
committee decided TO strike out this charge also. Th
seventh charge next investigated IL reads az FOL
lows 81 charge him with practically having set him
self outside OF our Church by the title and character
the society which he las lately instituted
THIS directed against Mr.. McCarthy's establish
ment the American Free Church IN the Univcrsit,
1 un nfn IN nv hA ri lnrSn
church. sent out by Mr. Mccarthy. The session wal
| then adjourned until seven O'Clock, when Mr. sweet
ser was crossexamincd by Mr. Mccarthy on the poin
rnE EVENING SESSION
/ Mr. Robert f. Smith asked permission Of the com
mittee 10 make a personal explanation. This was cb
! jccted to unless he appeared as witness. Mr
Sweetscr then took the witness chair and his cross
examination began. The grounds OF his charge wer
Mr. McCartny's own circular and own creed, published
i when he started the American Free Church. An6the
t tho HERALD. Dir. Mccarthy wishing to get Oh
duct Tie following Questions and answer
! QUICKLY passsd:-''What Is immortality THE con
dence 70 the moral laws what are those laws p
they an Contained in The accaiosuc Soi by grea
deaf Then . man can b ., mmOral though h
obeys the ten communicates yes A. I'M
point Bibles began q bc passed around for the use o
the audience. Fufthcr questioning IN this line wa
ruled out Of order In the charge Il wac alleged tina
Mr. Mccarthy had practically set himself outside 0
the unversaiist Church % the title and character
the church he had set up. hr Mccarthy asked til
title OF Dr. Clapin's church "rhe Church Of tn
Divine Paternity" replied Mr.. Swceiser Mr.. McCartu.
tired 10 argue that This title was no more iinmora
than that oil the American Free Church. TINS wa
ruled Mr.. Mccarthy said .-"lt " now ruled tina
my accuscr Is put on and that cal
only question him on the authenticity OF papers which
have admitted over aud over AGAIN TO be genuine.
Mr. Mccarthy then returned 10 the HERALD accoun
OF May |. 1870, aud asked mir Sweetser, Is the re-
port IN the HERALD. according 10 your OWE knowledge
authentcY Mr.. Swcetscr Al frst said, III your wUr
is to be accep,ed-ycs;n fhen, ITO the best OF ~
knowledge and belief II Ia" The committee hna.
ordered him TO give direct answer, and tie SAID mo
Mr shook, counsel for the defence, then moved u
have tho account stricken out The committee askc
Mr.. Sweetser VI he had any evidence 10 prove It's au
thcnticity. He answered. ~ certainly have here l
another article III the HERALD, which -" Mr
Mccarthy cried OUT
~ object The world stands upon tortoise an
that tortoise on another"
..M.. SMeetser then rotated q conyersatLon that &C