The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1877-04-22
NEW YORK HERALD SUNDAY APRIL % l877-QUNrUPLE SHEET


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Mr. Tweed commenccs A. thlnk u was eurlhs lsda
q How long did that coniinues A. - aheot no
time OF the organization OF the Nisduet COMPUTATION.
Of whom were Mr.. Beiuont, Mr. John Jacob Assor. Ar
John Taylor Johnston aud many others Who were
chosen directors, that was tn ISL
q Your business relations were continued untl the
exposurer A. Yes sir; our business relations we're
Of SO kindly character that ! became Mr. Tweed
bondsman when he asked mo
q What was the nature OF your businessr A. stock
transactions generally.
q What TRANSACTIONS you active ins A. was
active In different transactions-partly loans AMI
partly IN stocks.
q For what purpose was the mouoy loaned 10 yoaf
a. II was Tor different transactions, running along
was making some purchases here In town. ! would
say to him would like to have the account closed up
ana was going to make purchase. and should want
$4,000
FIFTH AvRSrE HOUSE
= What purchases do you refer tos A. Purchasing
Q. Was It used for the purchase Of your house'
cred; It was gwen TO Mr.. Van schaik he was iay
banker; deposited my money with him, Us tie gave
me seven per cent and II had any money deposned
2 Can you ind the check. or the pass book, aud
other books connected with the transactionr A. II
you get Nr Van Schaik he Will tell you all about H.
Y. Have you any papers connected with Hy A. No,
sir.
O. Can you testify any more distinctly what you did
with the $50, 0O0y A. No. sir.
q How much il any OF this 500. 600 was devoted TO
the purchase OF your houses A. could not swear
that any oil It was used Tor that purpose.
u Who did you purchase II ofy A. Mr. Acklmb.
Y Where does he hvcy A. He went TO Europe
has returned
q What was his buslncsss A. i dom, know; Mr.
Ludlow was his agent.
q. DO you rcmein Der how much you paid for this
house, A. | think that is prying into my personal
affairs; have sworn hero that none OF ms money
was used Tor purpose connected with the senate
or Legislation have swoin positively that u was not
Senator Spraguc-I do not wish to DO offensive, but
II that Is confirmed by the circumstances OF the case
It Will DO all the moro tsiactory. A But want 10
know how Tar this is to 20.
Y. DID any oi this 20 toward tho purchase money OF
A. [ war
SENATOR WOODEN AND rHE CHARTER
BY Senator Bradey-Dd you, while IN Albany,
your views rs TO tho Tweed charter A. II Is most
likciy that did. ana to members Of the Senate.
q You are familiar ana intimate with Mr. WoodinY
O DO you recollect expressing your views to him
A. have no recollection, but may.
q During that time wore you IN communication
with Mr.. TweedY A. Yes, was in communication
with him; saw him In his room, or IN the Senate
Chamber
O. Was this charter bill a subject OF conversation
between you and Mr. Tweed at that timer A. Yes,
SIR; have no doubt VIC talked about II.
q Did you understand from Mr.. Tweed that your
desires were IN harmony with his In respect TO that
measureY A. IL is quite likely.
u Do you recOllect, SIR that you wore told by Mr..
Tweed to DO anything that was necessary 10 influence
lesIsations A. 1t Is quite likely that he did.
tonY A. My sympathics wero IN the direction Of the
passing of the charter have doubt That thought
IL was tho best tnng to DO done.
q. You were rot harmony generally with Mr.
Tweed A. Not ordinarily, SIR; no, sir.
Y. DO you rccollcct that you and Sir. Tweed mad a
CONVEX sation about Senator Woodin III reference to
THIS bilY A. No, SIR.
Q. Did Sir. Tweed say to you you to him that
Senator Woodns influence was 10 be secured Tor this
bliY A. have no recollection OF II, SIR
Y. MIR. Woodin was prominent member OF the Sen
ate, was he nots A. No more than Senator Bradley
now is.
y. wero you requested by anybody to your in
aucnce upon Senator Woodn 10 aid in this matter
A. think not. am quite sure was not
Y Did you understand, during the progress Of that
bill through the Legislature that money was
influence members OF inc Lcgihlaturcy a. There was
the talk then that there has been Tor tho last
twenty-five or thirty years that money was used tor
or against the o personally know n ,% OF any
Z. Did you learn from Mr. tweed that such moneys
wore beng uscdy A. had no conversation with hun
O. Did MIR. Tweed support tho Registry law you have
spoken OH A. believe that he aid
q Did not the democrats generally support ns A.
My recollection that the democrats generally voted
against IT,
POOL ron PASSING THE CHARTER.
BY senator Schoonmaker:--
q. Had you any knowledge at tho time the Tweed
charter was tho Legislature that "a pool, AS 1t
Passenger A. No, sir; nave no recollection.
2. Did you ever hear anything about ~ A. have
heard many things that don't remember.
q. Are you Wiling 10 swear that you did not hear Of
this pooly A. have no recollection.
TIE CHECK A LoANy
q. understand you to say that the $50, 600 check
was part Of 4 loan. A. Yes, Sir.
q How much VI It was . ioang A. l cannot state
distinctly
a. Can you state in a general way? A. think In
tho neighborhood OF some $4,000 or $4,000 was =
q Arc you able to state that /. was not a loana A.
II not all a ioan
q DID you give any obligations for the loan A. No.
sir; that was of my reasons Tor gong ON Mr..
Twccd's bond; he had been good friend to me.
T. Did you ever repay the loany A. Yes. SIR
y D,d you make any account or entry on any book
anything about my business knows that have never
kept any personal accounts in shape the other
look my books ~ Albany or here, aud you will find
that have not Kept any personal account
q What the memorandum you madeg A. An
ordinary memorandum, Kept IN my wallet.
o. Have you that menoran tum 2 A. No. SIR
q You repaid this loan 10 Mr. Tweed. How were
your pay mcnts n.adeY A. In money; there might be
a. Did you ever have adjustments settlement OF
you account with Mr.. Tweed! A. Yes. sir
q Did Mr. Tweed keep an ACCOUNT A. don't
O. when did you mako the last paymcrty A. /
paid him 81 300 IN 1871.
u Dill you look over any account to ascertain tho
RESULT A. No. SIR
U How did you arrive at ~. A. Simply and merely
a memoranda had III my pocket
U The checks you received from Mr. Van Schaik,
what has become Of themy A. Destroyed long ago
a. How many checks have you received from Sir
Tweed. A. don't thnk more than two or three.
Y. Did you receive as many us hveY a. don't
think can answer positively.
THAT yfYTH AVENUE HOUSE AGAIN.
U What Was the price OF your houscy A. I don't
think that ~ the business OF the committee
q Vas IL put on recordy a. suppose was; II was
put In OF my wife; the deed gwen 1870
q what was Tho vaivc OF the properly al that
timer A You have asked that question in direct
form aud have declined to answer It; now you are
asking Il Ia an indirect form, and do not think II is
the bushes. OF the connttec, or OF
what paid for my house.
o. Was u a business Transaction with Mr.. Tweed tho
purchasing OF tho Fifth avenue houser a. He had
moro 10 with u than YOU had
MR. BARBOUR iNTRopUcED.
q Are you acquainted with person OF the name OF
A. u. BARBOUR A. Yes, SIR; have known him a good
many years
Legislature OF 1870 ana ls1ly A. might have had.
u Had you any conversation with him In reference
10 the passing OF the Tweed char,ery a. may have
had
a. What was Mr. Barbour's business at the Lcgisla-
turcf A. don't know positively.
"a what was u rcputcd to bey A. Ho reputed
10 look alter certain interests.
v Wei. was ne r.pulcd to be a lobbyistS A. We'll,
he had that reputation
y Arc you aware whether there not money
placed hts hands for the passage OF the Tweed
TERI A M. cir: nave no knoalcdsc.
" Did you have any conversation with him that
subectf A. Ma. sir