The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1877-09-22
TWEED, GOULD, AND OTHERS


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r,lsr Answers secrets OF the Oid Ring.
Th, examination OF William NJ Tweed
i, 81, IN the Chamber of the Common Council
,..rllv 20 iar-cr number OF persons than has
l.,.liu thHt room since the days when th" city
r,..,.ri used To meet to act ON the late Mayor
ti.,.,rav RS surrr sing nouinlt ons to public /
,n.4. Every scat in the gallery WIS filed by
t,.y..,i,r Ems the seats and every foot Of
...rlr. room within the rail which divides
Ella. ,arnon rs from the sacred persons Of the
Aldermen were occupied 10y politicians. and at
tn-t two hundred applicants for admission
wore driven from the door hy the police
vr Tweed began hiE disclosures 10y Civ NJ a
b..rtuf hs connection with the Erie Rail-
~, COMPANY and some account " the bills for
uhoa. pas.nro through the Legislature he. ns
N,,.amrnnvs agent. paid money to senator's.
I, d, IS recital he said that he introduced Col
I,n,s FAk. Jr g. Justice George g. Barnard.
nrl be- mulo Tie politicians lnu.h by adding
tba, Jude Barnard was friendly to L SIX be-
r.u-. that .rntl' man hung around him. pat
tt. h.m a. uu,nt'v on the back. and makng
HIM D. Hesr that he was u great man. The
s...nI iran. % of REORGANIZATION related Ia the
MASSAGE of thr tax lrvcs' in 1870. MIR. Tweed
u. mot r,f .,ui as tu IN" means 10y which they
vaf.. fH--,I adm 70 M that they cost the city
100000. nrd naming the Senators who wcre
hr.i..ff. vote for ti.m. Mr.. Tweed then gave
a -f0ryof thr NV York Prinun. Company.
auI ntrrward nlmrd the armorv lenses. the
Siu.ry - rs authorization Of which W pnid
o. iy co., re-'r-. \ lou lau ,h followed his
rrrrrk " | pra-nm" that | got somr Of the
nll..v. q. morally shared in any mon y that
w.. pldil kn'w anything about it," The
s-.ton- ,lo~ed wtha wranslc between Alder
. q 4 4
tN.t lulu 20 rs counsel. Us 81 tire CONN lite :
t.N.ri conpcl Mr. Tweed to testify. In the
q b u-- an. Mr. rw'd ir"lu utly sad tnai n
" .-rNi 30 voluntary tn.sS. hat preferred xiv
IN n.- testimony 81 sun ring punishment for
c,ni'ult 90, The supreme Court.
W 4rn Nr. Twnd. ~ tn pp % ne or the S's-
,u. " p called upon hy Mr.. Colo Tor whut'Vrr
rorr' tons H. had tu make in the lnnut = OF
o. sson preceding The last. which were the
latest furnished to him. tn" witness took o'ca-
sion to complain of the neglect IN ulncing these
ni.uur + IN his hands in timr for him To- make
truu-h faults OF memory AMI lack ~ data.
" re enough. he said. W thout having other
pcopl" charged TO him. He had been madch y
eufur ut the newspapers to seem To do injustice
e. innocent people. which he certainly had no
intention of doing. AMI lee feared the OH 'ial
minutes might perpetual" errors u that ma
turH. One puprr had rrir sentcd hum rs
hr nsins into h dis 'losur'S th" name of a Mr.
Plrm"nt'r of Troy, and that gentleman and his
family. mu IN tx r'is''i IN regard 10 Il had writ
ten him l"it'r about II. llr " shed io say. not
only that b" had not mention 'd Nr. Parnrntrr's
pane. and that ne knrw nothing AKA Mt linn
r. S in l 5 Ss"} ~ n - RaG S'cSr" p"S
mono OF VIII ch having been made ny THE SUN
nd De- further referred 20 here. The exami-
nation then urorcH d'd ns follows
Mr.. Cole-Mr Tweed. NJ th"lis' session rro-
pounded to Won all tn" intrrr' gatorics which
W'rr suggested to Mr.. Murrs-Hy." except on".
w!irh was Obliged to omit on account OF want
Mr.. Twccd-May ask the committee that
N -, gentlemen who PROFOUND questions To
~ may also have tn" priv,log.. OF having
ca. PED. that questions may !. asked them?
Mr.. Colr-C.rtaniy. Mr. Tweed
Mr.. Tweed viii to- Very happy 10 do IT,
TWEED As An ERIE RAILWAY DIRECTOR
@. (By Mr.. Colrl-Now with regard 10 the
Bro Railroad: wllnt connection. II any. did you
ever have with the Erie Railroad Company ?
Al was a director in the Erie Railroad Com
Q.-whon did you become director? A.
Ms mind has not been called 10 IL. and cam
ntt.ll within n year or two. IL IL mpo-- hle
for me- to carry dates and amounts in my mind
mh"rnns transa tons ot years sln'". am
very sous tive about maxi ing mistakes IN mat
ters ~ dates and amounts which might have
correctly II could only get the books and other
c,-sary a. sta yet ri h mistakes are uuavo.d-
an" Wore | am comp He'd to answer IN IN =
way th"ei pr pnrat on or OF or'unt ~ 10 re-
r. -h my memory. | Inade slinr mist lkrs IN
h way in ia" BrOoklyn bridge matter, the
cher day, which ! mood not have made If |
rnli have had the HOOKS.
Q-To thu best Of your recollection? AIN
Q-Wcrc you sto kho.drr? Al was that
p tlcrn WIS stO k STANDING in my name.
Q-Mcrr y,Ai -to khoidcr before you be,
eline u Director A.-Thut do not know. |
v tell Won iu-t howthat wis. After thr LreIs-
hflr' % ipuru H. either IN - or 90, OF per-
ttr- vs. q lilr h"lor" the |. X s Hturr ad-
girnal. Mr.. HUH J. Hastings hrnu,ht ne IA
nnur tlon " th Mr.. DAY Gould. whom ! had
'iorr m"n. ihr.n-hout tl' - ion' Qppn- ,n-
l"y.r,ihins. Alter cunle To New N0rk Nj.
q nl came 10 s"ruc and said hc, wuul llSc
htrins Mr. James + Ak To 500 me-. ] sud had
inoiJr,tinu-. and he brought HIM. and w. had
ns tax together. That WAS tho first time
Y -Whut was that talk about? A.-Thoy
vlnt'd AN injunction against '. nderhilt an
l. IS Who were opposed to the Ere dire ton;
at remember now what, but knew at the
Q-What did thcy want Of YOU? A.-Thcy
= ltd me- 20 see Judg" Barnard or some other
yu'sr. and have the injunction Lranird.
e D.d they of"r you any lnin Tm'nt
Al declined having ANYTHING. to do VIII
u' matter until | consulted Mr.. .Swceny
en- Nj, bnnoly also ! think, but c'r'
n Mr. n.x ST S,y AMI INK Eod "'t ayl to n ne.
ieg said tn"y would hr.ng me into the dirr'-
ton, rnd xiv" me -pinc "nunc' To make money
~ fNH stocks | consented tO 70 ia with them
lw,s at III" next mr"iins 81" i'd "a director IN,
r.e INnd the iWIr esloA that " = % 5turkhoil
a. don't know tut what WIS dir". To
i.-,. ! understand tary had five sAarr- %
f. 4 that they kept To Ell" dir" tors ON. Whri
boy wanted dirwtor they would transfer
s4ars Ia h ia name; If two dlrrciors. two STAR Is
tr.r. t4rce. and 30 on. | don't know but Wha
ulnf had ten shares for that purpose.
o. Repeat the cow rrHtl on that took plac
tefW.ru Yourself and Mcssrs Could and Fisk
! uuuot repent u word now except genera
the general purpOu. rs l have alread
g-The substance then? Al cannot other
- .nn H- nave Just stated II.
~ - lnu SAID tury wanted an lngunctiOnY A.
J. = Nlr "a" substance OF Il.
q Auiiiyou would pro IRE some Judge {
graft a To- tl"m, they would max" you a Ill
=" pr; A. II ! would work with them an
q d fIrH
~ Was this injunction part OF their matters
lrNsulur $50.
y AMT alter that you were made n director
WE
Q-Ani you were under the impression thf
i0.,d sus'kf Al was.
~ bd you pay any money for the stock
. Nu, not Tor That stock.
1wrrDs FRIEND IN THE SUPREME COURT.
= Dad YOU carry out your part of the bargai
m ~ IN" mum tom Al dhl; | tooN ia
Iii ~ they made out Tor the purpose to airlen
q. ff.in.
Y Nhai fricndY "A Judge
~ What Judge A Judge Of the Supren
~ What Judge Of the Supreme Court? A.
d. le George g. Barnard. Answering wit
A.iN I. q rriu tame tl
" Who were the counsel ofthe Eric Rnlroa
fN pahy al that timrf Al dou1t r.urmb't
iN'f " re changing their counsel AL the tim
III ii" various suits thoy had on hand.
~ What TRANSFERRED with the Judgc2 A.
it 90 tr lac II "a