The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1877-09-30


O.--What did he pretend to do? Ale was
appointed an inspector of something or an
asSG of TRy month ne his wnS money
roll2 Al did.
TwEEDs PRIVATE PAY ROLL.
..Q.-Where did you get the money! A.-From
Q.-.Who else was on that private pay roll2
A.-Well. it was AWAY back in '67. '6S and go:
can only remember few OF the many. Mr: T..
l think he was on tho roll, but he did nothing.
Q.-What was no there for? A.-To draw his
Q.-But in what cnpacity' A.-,As q clerk Of
some kind. The books of the old street DEPART
direct roll. He was not about. however. except
2Mna, da 20" put Tho thess parties the poy
and working for us. and We paid everybody
Q.NWhat was l.. k. Apgar doinga A.-spout-
| ing-talk king king Speeches.
Q;,,Who else do you rsmember on tho rolls
l recolect distinctly, and remember them he
cause their names have been so prominently
| brought forward. Yes, had brother Of Hugh
| Gastings. named William. l believe. who did
Q"Wicll. who clscp A.-wcll. this IS n mat
ter have not thought OF for some time. and
those are the only prominent ones Tint recur to
ny mind now, bu; there Wore hundreds ol them.
! Mr.. King could give valuable Information on
! that. guess, and most Of the clerks tnen in the
| street Department could.
| liF. Ole tllen lprillily nOlUfO UlH NlIlHHS
that ut the next meeting he would ask Who
! Nrr" on the private pny roll. and who were on
| The regular pay roll, who I'D NJ service. or but
little service. iOr the compensation they re-
| ceived = and enloined the witness to refresh
his memory upon 1t, as tho matter was ono OF
| very considerable imporlance.
Mr.. Tweed replied: Il will do tho best can;
| but people are afraid to como TO me and talk TO
me- and cannot without the aid Of tho COM
| mittec. get at tho documents and records |
| need to refresh my memory from that source;
| When man comes 10 see me. he trcmhleS az
| f,xar he fTIpy think
| is the next thing TO being indicted TO come
where am. ! must ask the committee, TO send
answer that question. and also to send me n
clerk or two VINO were with me. ] am physi-
callv unable. without such assistance. to do
what Is demanded OF mo. There are probably
| n million of names to be gone over. some Of
them re,urring again and again ana tne worS
] will furnish all the information can, but
what is III the hnnds oi the committee and be-
yond MY reach l must respectfully ask to ba
furnished with. Tho chief clerk there now.
believe. was the chief clerk when was there
Mr. Clifford And Mr.. McCicuachan was also
there. and Is there nj present. Either Of those
gentlemen could assist me greatly q,
that evory possible aid would be accorded.
Q.-By Mr.. Cole-Nou have testified on sev-
oral occasions that during the existence OF tho
to "fIrct desired legislation? Al have. sir.
Q.-Was that state of things generally under
stoody Alt was generally supposed and gen-
orally commented on ms being tile fact q
We're th" principal agents lobbyists whom YOU
employcd ip Albany, commonly known to be be
employed by everybody who desired lecisa-
tion.
Q.-wcl | say were they commonly known
as lobbyists A.-les. sir.
THE BLACK HORSE CAVALRY.
Q.-Was II common report around Albany thnt
certain mon made 1t thcir especial vocation TO
in the dscharge OF their duties At was,
sir, And there was an o,,rgani7ation called the
who. when the arrangements were properly
made with one of them. would go solid MS he
bills they were hired to. II il evidently was not
necessary that they should. but they Would be
qured rs the bargain directed.
,O.-.Do you know who composed tha, brigade.
that Black Horse, Cayalry?n'. A.-No; they
kept changing all the time. Every year they
had o new leader. They generally Quarrcllt 4
10y the end OF the session. and started the new
Q.-Weil, fthis was a matter q public repute.
now could II p1ssinly 20 on So long =, ny was
lng bnndlyl-Well. we used money wherever It
was n, ,ccssary.
eQ-Bui y2wg could no, buy Sli the psope OF the
buy the representatives there as u general
Q.-well. now how about the public press
were they with or against you AZ that time \.
-Agaln-i Us in private. and with us in public
Q.-Nha' do YOU mean by that? Ave had
10 subs DIE them. mean the press Of Albany.
| Tho irgus was with ~, as "A Democratic paper
and bccpuse wc as sted them in getting through
in the control Il MIR. Geo. W. Deners was DO.
litically against u, and had 10 he subsidized.
O.-Nhat do YOU mean 10y suhsidizing them :
Al mean paying them l gave money 10 Mr..
Hutchins aud MIR. Demers.
Q-Whn; FORE A-For articles we desired T.,
have put IN the paper. or sonnet mes for nrticl,s
TINT we wanted changed.
Did You pay money TO the Albany Argus
A.-No; We used to help them hy putting items
in the tax levy for them. putting through thuiI
bills Tor printing. g..
Q.-You did not know whether those bills
thcm T. Us and we put them in for them.
Q.-How'long did the relations oi the nature
you have described between yourself and III.
, Aibd,y Journal contlnueT A-Al tho time
: Q-What other papers up there did You sub.
sidlzey A.-Thcre were no other papers there
} then that announced to anything Thege was q
paper there, tho Express, edited hy man nance
Smith, hut IT didn't amount 20 anything
Q.-But YOU subsidized the other Two papers
one on eh'l slu, a, ~ ~ EuH VS money dhe
the other ny putting their bills II she appropr.
ations in tho tax levy.
Q.-Ncse those just bills, Do YOU suppose
Al suppose they had foundation. possibly
slim foundation.
DRrDEs TO THE PRESS.
Q-Did you pay largo sums OF money in youi
sHns 4l1lns 1i .Ae press A.-N"aoe m''
500; il was general driGh.e Az the tlmo
= / ldNt some checks yet, 'l"Nc. tHai lHNt l"cl
pad tn som" ot those papers i,at cnn produce
| editors A.-Lnt nic Toll you how % w.e. NHri
ilr4r wont to Albany N- "a senator 70 was I'm 'i-
> whi n yas ro;.,ineI bv the Tric and 'auit ,
rat'..l q Ioior,rty That nrouEhi nri waI NrY
| lofh! ing uit"i money - mo. Amon- others wa.
, Mr., Hurhins. who was luenl i.s,.- -atr e, q r O
inc Rtpuhilcun ori.rn "a, the St.to ~ IL hud nr,i
, for many years. That paper WIS ntta k.As m
"a ,ks vorv much modified and srio0thc down
nud nuuv conH h'ln; lhn paper Hruuad =