The New York herald., 1877-09-19
HERALD WEDNESDAY STRIPLE SHEET.

should have q percentage OF the money ex-
pended on the construction Of the bridge; Mr.
William c. Kingsley had effected legislation IN Wash
ingtop, think, lIttle and at Albany and he was sus
ior percentage; ne made this agreement with the
board Of directors trustees or whatever they were
called and they agreed 10 give him nteen per cent ON
all the expenditures.
xINGsLEY's pERcExrAGk
Q Well suppose the records OF the company should
|. show that there was erasure wherever the words
fifteen per cont occur and five per cent written In as
possibly gotten by Kingsley what your recollection
about that circumstance, II you have anyY A. lie
was have fifteen per cent upon everything.
O. Didn't it strike you as rather stln percentage?
never had any understanding with me about dividing
the percentage with nor did he have any with any
OF the others, think no was TO have the whole OF
the fifteen per cent tho only understanding had
with Kingsley was that after paid that fifteen per
cent he was to pay the balance on my stock ;
don't know whether he 10 do that
for the others also; he paid the balance on mine;
so lar as called TOR; after my troubles commenced
signed the whole OF my stock back hims2c shares,
with twenty per cent paid TIN order tnat the
money might be paid back 10 me; he then transferred
back TO me or 10 my son.I don't know which, one
hail OF IL Wthout any consideration whatever don't
consider that the assignments from TO Mr.. Kings
ley and from him to my son had any connection with
my action as member of the Board OF Directors IN
conveying to HIM the fifteen per cent upon ex-
penditures; he had received no benefit from
me; he merely repaid to me what had
paid to him do not know of any action OF The Board
OF Directors by which his original percentage was
the whole fifteen per cen. was expected to 60 into
Kingsey's pocket; at that time young Mr. Roebling's
estimate @ of the cost Of the bridge was, think,
SO, 000, 900; fifteen per cent upou that would be
$780, co. Mr. Kingsley have all that for super.
intending the work; he was to pay for the balance Of
my stock was TO have 42O shares for 5000
ELECTIONS
o Mr.. Tweed, with regard to city and county elec-
tions and the OF elections generally, when
you In Office, had the Ring control OF elections in
this citys A. We had SIR; absolute control.
ricase teii me wnat Inc moaus ope'anat was was :
directed matters anu 10 whom the members OF the
General Committee OF Tammany Hall looked for advice
In nf thuu rI. ontAr rsaAA
candidates announcing tho result in bulk without
counting or transferred the votes for candidate
the other, as the case might be-
Q. Then the elections really no elections at
all tho ballots made to bring about any result
it? A. Ballots made result, the made the
result; that could cot have been done without local
agents; II was done by gentlemen who had charge Of
the wards; l might tell you what gentlemen had
charge o the wards but they did not all do that kind
OF work.
@. would prefer to have you tell me the names
OF men only whom you knew directly to have
charge OF what called 'stuffug ballot boxes. !"
Mr.. Townsend objected to the question, protesting
that Mr. Tweed could not of his personal knowledge
know what men had stuffed ballot boxes and that the
evidence would be only hearsay. He might have given
but he could not know that they actually did it, Mr.
Cole contended that the question was proper one,
but finally withdrew 1t and asked Mr.. Tweed whether
no had gwen directions TO any person
TO falsity or change the results OF the
that the Suggestions lie gave to persons In ttat con-
necton were moro In the nature Of requests han OF
directions. my IMPRESSION he continued. in reply
to Mr.. Cole, 'is that the persons OF whom l made
these requests carried them OUT at any rate the
suits in every case indicated that they aid; It
would be possible for to state the names OF tho
people who carried out these requests; talked with
every active man IN every ward and to all the
leaders in the wards, but l cannot tell what my
CONVERSATIONS were with any one or what resulted
from those Conversations; cannot tell what men
talked with even, and do not think have any papers
with whom dealt In the various wards changed from
year TO year; they were like shadows, coming and
going every year. one year man would be in power,
and the next year out OF power.
@. viii you state the names Of the persons that you
can recollect who mad general control with whom you
had this understanding? A. don't recollcct any.
body; am perfectly willing 10 give tie names; l am
here TO tell the TRUTH and am gong to te 1t let IL
hit who II will; there is not that Will shield
there is not man Will screen IN any posion 1t is
not Of nv own volition that am here's am perfectly
willing 70 tell all know about everybody.
Mr.. Townsend protested that 1t was unfair TO the
witness to ask him TO tell the names OF persons whom
he perhaps met only once and that from seven to len
witness to remember conversations held SO far back
and under such circumstances. Mr. Tweed addressed
the committee to the effect that he would think the
matter over before the next meeting, and II he could
recall any names he would give them.
Mr.. Cowing-Have yon any knowledge Mr.. Tweed
oil fraudulent naturalization papers being issued in
1868 7 A. Not o my own personal knowledge; have
doubt they were issued.
HASTINGS THE CHARTER.
Mr.. Cole proceeded TO question the witness about
the check tor $50 0g0 which the latter at the
meeting, testified that he had gwen Hugh j..
Hastings for services in connection with the passage
by the Legislature OF the Tweed cnarter OF 1870 aud
reminding Mr. Tweed That he had promised T. to
was about 10 do so, and stated tnat
since the preceding meeting he had examined the
tha the charter passed Tuesday, the 5th OF April,
1870; on the ensuing Saturday was In New YORK,
when Hastings called upon me TO get that check SO
he didn't wait long for his money" In reply to qucs-
tions by Mr. Cole witness went over the ground
traverscd at tho latter two OF the previous
meetings IN relation to the circumstances under
II.
Hastings. The latter, he said had been employed by
him frequently TO lobby for him on the Tax Levy act
ana other bills and he had paid him Tor such services;
he mad paid Mr.. Hastings also for inserting Items In
his paper The Commercial Advertiser; Mr. Tweed de-
clared ho had had any dealings whatever with
Mr. Hastings except when he employed the latter as
lobbyist to influence votes in the Legislature. Being
asked whether he had perfectly distinct
of what the check in question paid Mr. Hastings
for the witness replied 81 am rs positive about IL as
that the sun Is SHINING" IN tnat connection
Mr. Tweed took occasion TO correct himself with refer
ence his testimony at the preceding meeting wherc-
in he said that had had any dealings with Mr.
Barber outside OF knowing the latter in the lobby and
buying few small bills OF goods his crocKery
81 lnd" said he ''that once did have some dealings
with him with regard TO iairoad-caied the Avenue
Railroad, thlnk-ior a small amount"
witness took out OF envelope in his hands two
checks which MT Townsend handcd up to the com
mittee. While they were examining the checks Mr..
Cole asked ION what other bills dd you employ
Mr.. Hastingsf" ana the witness replied that nc had
employed hun TO defeat the bill taking the Dock De
partmcnt out of the Street Commissioners Office
Tor that service also he bad paid Mr. Hastings but
how much he could not reco!ieci, as he was con-
sGntly employing nm, among otncrs 10 ehecs IcSSia
ton IN tnat way.
Mr. Cole examining The cheok)-You have handed
up a draft Grawn 10y Henry smith upon William N.
TW ced 10 the order OF Hugh j. Hastings The 18th 81
April, 1855, accepted by yourself and endorsed Hugh
j. Hastings?" a. That must have been draIt oi me
date, sir, paid for lobby purposes; never nae
any dealings with him except lobby dealings, and
therefore that check must have been gwen Tor thai
purpose all know about II is that found " among
my papers
THAT BOARp OF
O. Mr.. Tweed, how often did the Board OF Audit mcc
as Board OF udil-the Board OF Audit under th0 Fox
Levy act-yourself and Hall and ConnollyY a. W.
never mot.
O. Woll, now IN all the ring suits paper hrs beer
offered IN evidence which purports TO be the flnute
OF meeting of the Board oil Audit which wasIheld al
the Comptrolier's onicc on the 9th OF May, $50
Well, II have got tell about that will tel the his
tory OF that paper.
Mr. Cole handed TO Mr.. Tweed copy of the docu
ment which played so prominent paNln the King
SUITS, particularly in that OF a. Oakoy Hk, and whcl
purported 10 be a record of the proceedings OF th'
Board Of Audit at meeting, when q resolution wa
passed authorizing the payment Oh Ulls against th'
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