New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1877-10-01

THIS is very reQuisition. Don't you want THIS
or wouldn't you like that7"ryng TO maze the BAL out
larger, II possible hut whether he did ~ not. Jones
would take the young into ChOlwelfs o. CrawfoIds
store and show him some fancy goods ana make nm
presents.
Q-DO you know any except yours OF persons re-
ceving presents from these partIes3 Al know Con-
molly did, know Mr. sweeny did, and know pretty
much all the heads OF the bureaus in my depart
all. guess could not be definite than 10 say ev-
eIyhody Old. BY everybody mean all who had me
tOnery furnished with presents OF things, all the
way mp from pocket knives worth 20 OF SO eacn TO cosby
Q.-w. c. Rogers & Co.-who we're they Al always
supposed Jones was the company Jones who was "a
nephew Of Rogers whose health bad used 90 pretty
much take &c OF the business. They the same
firm as Jones Co., practically-One firm was merged
with the other .
QIhey have brought two suits in the aggregate for
Sls52272 The first Of these suits is for $3.50 ~,
for stationery furnished to the various city and nty
departments from June, 1869, to Nj l. 1s7O aud The
second one is Tor stationery furnished TO the count! O
tween 1865 and 1870, for SSi9l3 80 The compalrts
Ia these two actions acge that tine nrm OF Rogers Co
is composed Of W. c. Rogers and Edmund Jones and D.
Q.-Now. with reference to VIM c. Rogers CO. A
Every remark made about the other firm applies to
them They were the same parties.
Dwell these operations went on between them ana
CIV and county officials from 1868 to and through
Up 10 tne passage oil me new chdfter. lpen ma'
Jones was very active adherent OF the Young DemOc-
racy-tLe opponent OF the parties in power, ana, rs
matter of course he had then nc more bills or any hnS
INSIDE HISTORY OF THE TENTH NATIONAL BANK
LOAN
Q.-Now, the Tenth National Bank has suit pending
against the city for $3.50 600 for money loaned to the
city. Do you know anything about thati A-Nothing,
except what Mr.. Ingersoll and Mr. Palmer told me.
Dwell, tell us what you know about iti Ale told
me they borrowed large amount from the Tenth ma Ma
time that he borrowed 1t on his own individual re
sponsibllity He told me and Mr.. Walter Il. Palmer,
then Cashier am afterwards President told he in
tended suit against Ingersoll for the bal
ance unpaid Of the amount. The IN neY was borrowed
by depostng in the bank as collateral bills against the
Commissioners the bank could nav itself: 100000 OF
the amount borrowed afterwards understood, was id
in that way. The money transferred from one OF
the other banks TO the Tenth National Bank it
paid that and surrendered some OF their cOateras
Q.-Were those bills approved by the Commissioners
true and bona fdel Al tuInk not, and / know Mr.
lngersol was very anxious to get them away from the
bank.
Gle told you ne borrowed from the bank for his own
purposes, did ho1 Ale did not say for his own pur-
poses, but supposed on his own credit That was my
understanding al the time and was more convinced
from what Mr. Palmer told me-that they were about 10
commence suit against bin.
Q.-And subsequently, Mr.. Palmer brought suit against
the operation A-Yes, and Ingereoll was very much
frightened about II.
those bills approved by the Commissioners in the hands
o the bank Out OF that money Sll25OO was PAID TO me
GLOW was that, and what fori An this way:
TIE Commissioners were not appointed until DeceinDer
Conan. Mr. lngers0ll, and Mr.. Norton. rhe Comm sion
created under provision OF the tax levy oil 1917
but nobody was appointed unti December OF that year
In 1871 they wanted another appropriation. hey want
0red 10 eet through in the tax levy OF that year. Nor
then member OF the senate. 1t impossible
To have the apprOpr alton made iOr million Mr. In
gerso came mp to me about H. and said he wanted
ue, az least 10 get ia as much as con d, when agreed
unless they paid lOr it, that the Tax L., was then
overloaded, and the Republicans were about MAXIM
party question Of it-WHch they afterWard did
He said they were wiling TO pay for II, aud agreed
TO give 10 pr cent on whatever amount We could get
through. Al tine time Of that agreement, or within
T3t INTO 'pooi along WITH ine o[6cr money f., hello
ID VI W
ne cent on the amount included i'm the lax Lew Tnat
renamed that way Until the trouble commenced IN
1871. Tuen lngcisOll and had settlement one day.
There had been good deal OF business transactions
three hundred thousand dollars We had settlement
my house and Fix the date by the fact that il
w,s the Gsy Of his 1rs arrest. lie arrested that
evening. In The settlement he allowed me at $4,000
money he paid 10 me 10 use for his purposes bnt since
th.u be has commenced suit against IN Connecticut
+ ,hat same amount ana the suit is now pending.
Q-Who were the directors 81 the bank al thai une
Al was one, Mr.. James FISK one, A. Oakley Hal
one. aud C0unol WAS One and Ingerson was one,
Q-Dd the 'lroctors, any Of them, except you and
lueclsOil know that TIE money or part o. IT, was boz
rowed Tor the purpose OF affecting legislation IN AlOahy
Al think Palmer knew. | thlnk he made tie loan
40 not tnk was done by the directors out by himself
Q.-Mhy DO You thInk ne knew the pufpoSe OF nc
oan2 A-Because he talked with me about 1t frequently
Q-Nouody else except you and Ingersol and Palmer
knew ABOUT il NOBODY connected With the BANK A
Dir Sweeuy knew about 1t, and Nj. Connolly
After sone further questions Of minor importance Mr.
Gle mp the suit Of the City against Thomas Conan
iiuducut bills to be paid but having been instructed
bring out the evidence at present he contented
himself Wi h drawing from Tweed the information that
ne could furnish testimony the suit which would en-
able the city to succeed The disposition was
$3.50 600 io furnishing fraudulent bills 10 The street De-
pariment in which Mr. Tweed also promised 10 furnish
best ad lie could. The examination thcn proceeded
sWEFNY's SETTLEMENT.
ON The statement that you made TO the Attorney
General did you proer to give evidence yourself and to
furnish the other necessary witnesses in any Of the cases
concerning which | have examined ven this mornings
Nelson case and the Rogers case and nave expressed
NV Willingness 70 Dee nned in any others there might
be concerning which knew any thng but those were
the ONLY ones knew OF at the time the only ones that
occurred to my mind Tor speci mention.
Q-Dd Won Indicate ~ the AttOrney-General what
yonr information would bel A. have NOT read the pa
per snoe that tmc and cannot speak positively know
did not Mr. Pecknam came 10 me in regard to
the Sweeny case, and Mr. whitney IN the Navarro case
ana went much further mo te cases uin nave mere,
than could IN my statement would state that the
lav after Mr. Sve Dls arrival or RETURN he published
card saying nc IaO nothus 10 setlo, anu liueuA'ey
after that did settle FOR the amount agreed upon be-
tween him and the prosecutions and am satisfied that
il 0ad been used as witness IN lHe case, according 10
the Information gave Ia the AttOrueyGencrll, no such
settlement would have be made for any such amount
Q-Dd the Attoucy-GenGra nave tue statement III
three months before and did not return 1t until about
week after OF three days after
Odd YOU in that declaration state that Peter b.
not Jamcsi Al stated all that have here OF the
points TO which have referred here and fully IA eabor
atey as have stated them here, concerning the ring
o. YOu think Mr. 5Weeny expected You 10 be called as
"A Eines8 IN that case Al tnlnk sir. Sweeny knew
what there that statement for know That some
of NV friends approached by some Of bis 10 know
why said such aud such things that could not have
been known without there was a leaky vessel some
where the euppOsOu that was 90 be used IN that
trial; know Nh Swtenys folks thought so.
TWEEBS PRIVATE PAY ROLL.
O-By UT cole, During the existence of the ring
were not quite Gumber OF persons upOn the pay
rolls actually did service at an A-Or very llte.
O-And II understood that .ney should do little or
no seryice4 Alt was also had pgIvate pay roll of
own. "
paid letting them think they were paid by the CITY.
paid Disbecker, the former Police Commissioner, 800