The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1877-02-22
JUVENILE GUARDIAN SOCIETY.
Continuation Of the 1nVestl-
Cation Yesterday.
DIRECTORS ON THE STAND.
Interesting Facts 10 Patrons OF Charity
Charges and COuniercharges.

Tho investigation Of the New York Juvenile Guar
dian Society was continued yesterday before Messrs
Roosevelt and Hoguet ard Mra Lowell, OF the State
Board OF Charities
The petition of tho society made few days since TO
he Board OF Apportionmcnt for $40, 900 was offered
n evidence All OF the signcrs OF the petition were
,ubpnnaed, but some only appeared
THE EVIDENCE.
The FIRST witness was Nathaniel Gilbert who had
been formerly DIRECTOR had signed the petition, not
knowing what it contained was satisfied that the
society was doing good work.
Lester Newell appeared and made the following
ststement:--
"Am a director OF the society, elected In March OF
1875 Charges have been made against the society
and testimony taken going to sustain them. ] would,
therefore respectfully ask Of the Board copy oil the
charges and the testimony already taken 10 sustain
the charges. ! am not conscious OF doing anything
criminal or wrong and think that everything can be
satisfactorily explained. decline to be sw orE !"
Mr. Roosevelt the chairman, stated that If he posi-.
lively declined the Board would DO Obliged TO take
legal measures to compel him.
Mrs Lowell. OF the Board, stated that this was not
q trial. but simply an investigation. The Board had
tho legal right investigate any charitable concern,
whether there were charges against 1t or not.
Mr. Hoguei stated that all the Board wanted now was
ready had evidence against it,
Mr. Newell retired 10 consider whether nc would be
william II. Glover sworn:-l read the petition TO
the Board OF Appropriation carefully what is therein
contained Is correct OF my own knowledge;
! have not been member Of the Board
Of Directors for two years; l was not
aware that ! was member Of tho
Committee Of Destituiion and Famine; knew
that No. 1o1 ST. Marks place was heavily mortgaged
! understood that the money to come from the city
was TO 10 placed at tho disposal Of committee OF
moi au1hp nj no
society; know OF the debt due to Mr. Robertson; 10
occasloucd in various ways; Mr.. Robertson would
bring IN bill for what was termed Robertson IN
debIedness;" this went until Mr. Pell came in as
treasurer Mr.. Pe concluded that his son would keep
then removed Mr.. Edwards and put his son in his
place; this made trouble in tho Board, and then
MT pe refused any NOR, h
the society that il was perfectly proper TO pay
the back indebtedness with the money collected from
the public
MR. NEWELL CONSENTS SWORN.
Lester Newell nero returned and consented to be
sworn. He testined:-I made director in March,
1876; have been 10 No. 10l st. Marks place on two
occasions certainly; both festival OCCASIONS OF my
own knowledge do know what has taken place at
ments OF the collectors and Mr.. Robertson; l
have attended six or ten meetings oil me
swear that there has been quorum present nj
least five meetings. ! have no knowledge Of the
Robertson is a salaricd officer not; think that the
majority OF the bills audited were Tor food and teach-
ers salary.
Mr. Roosevelt then questioned the witness concern
ing tho financial account OF the society, which he
seemed to know nothing about
Ambrose Wood sworn--I have not been director
for wo years, and during that time have no knowl
edge OF what It has accomplished did not read the
application OF the petition; understood that COM
mittec OF nine was be appointed to d,sburse tho
$4,000; suppose the society did not ask directly,
ion has very loose way OF dong business but be-
hevc his intentions are good
John Scott, sworn-I was trustee ten or
.tvay hC fnrp
can't say know anything OF the working OF tho
society during the past I'VE years; know nothing
about tho society 1865 signed the petition
der the idea that II Tor tho Juvenile Society
was not a member OF any committee, | did not sup
pose that was to have anything TO do with the dis
John I. Banker, No 81 Broad street. the present
treasurer OF the society," was sworn He testihed:-l
have been treasurer about eleven months; have re-
during that time 81 l23 33, all OF which WAS
contributed less tho commissions PAID the collectors
their money 10 Mr. Robertson, and he turns IL
over TO me from two-thrds to threequarters OF the
amount never came into my hands IN money.
BY Mr.. Houget-Of the amount paid out how much
has been directly paid the benefit tho poor? A.
About one-third
The witness was then asked what were the actual
eceipts and expenditures IN detail, particularly the
expenditures Tor the direct benefit OF the poor Tho
account showed that there had been expended -
FOR scnoois..... .'-..'..' 5000 40
rood 90 oo
Fuel. 90
Meucal feHei. ~ W
Total ....................$ $500 90
Mr. d. r. Robertson was called. He stated that he
appeared here to-day, Notwithstanding the TACT that
my counsel advised him not TO do SO. Under advice
OF counsel, he continued, ! most respectfully pro-
test against the manner OF proceeding OF the Board II
is against the law OF the State OF New York, and
drmiy protest against the whole Affair." consider tex
;tedyl that this Is most licentious manner of pro-
Seeding, this way OF taking testimony. THIS whole
matter OF trying to break up the society has bccn
brought about by the Board of Charity. also wish to
correct my testimony given at the last session con-
cerping the 81, OO0 did not mean 10 say that re-
ceived that amount for my own use. II went to pay
collectors, agents and other expenses.
The following letter was read by Mr. Roosevelt and
the Board adjourned
MAJOR BuSpY's LETTERS.
aan Soeets A. The same time Judp. Davis then United
states District Attorney. Mr. William ~ vermye and Mr.
Scott President OF the Hanover Bank were directors
when was member of the auditing committee All SORTS
Q. bus were brought TO me to indorse which were 10 the
the inpropriey of this having the original
bills in the handwriting Of the parties whose accounts
testimony to the management of the society having had
10 dsrs e IL g,s n 10 put sraSdnay came
fort to get Mr. Vermilyc and Mr. Scott the
formers banking office. with the idea of starting thorough
neither Mr.. vermilye Mr.. scott came ! then
cuded that all much occupied property
Mr. Scott also resigned Judge Davis resigned when
elected to the Bench Of the suprme Court Two
making OF our names 10 persistent appe ais the Legs
iature Judge Davis. Mr. vermiiye ana myself published
be quoted in support Of the then management Without
coming any definite CONCLUSION hai acquired settled
dsrust OF the management; aud wholly satisfied that
the present inquiry was demanded j. NJ. BUNDY
HELPING THE POOR.
Though supcrintcndens KeIlock has granted over