New-York tribune., 1877-09-17
PRICE FOUR CENTS.
OBriens Joel o. stevens next brought up, ana
responded, That is his Signature, sir"
Mr.. Tweed's examination was then resumed

WHY THE CHARTER OF 1910 WAS NECESSARY.
Q.-Mr. Tweed do yOu know anything about lhe pas
sage Of the Charter Of 1870 in the Legislature Ayes
sir
Q-were you a member OF the Legislature at that time
Al was.
Q.-You were a Senator, you mott Al was.
Q-I would like you you please. to state the origin Of
charter as far you knowwbo prepared IL, how
IL was passed. and by what means A-itls long MS
Q-Condensc much you can,but give 10 us who
PPaIfS PParaS by M Mr. sesny SHs 5ga M co and M
Alexander Frear; had little 10 do vita u myselfi Mr.
members OF Tmmany had somethingto do with IT, either
directly or by their suggestions ,-,-.-.
Q.-Was that charter passed through the Legislature
fairly, or was money used to procure It's passage A.
Money used.
urc bribcd TO vote for M Al mean 10 say they
paid for IT, In the Assembly they were paid for It,
Upper House Senators paid 10 control the
Re ubicin caucus, TO be sure OF having tIe vote
only of those who paid for IL, but OF ao'e who
Do you know personally OF any member Of the As
semby being paid for s vote In reference 10 THIS char
! teri Al don't think do. of the Assembly.
Q-Do you know personally any member OF me
Senate having been paid for his vote IN tnat regardf
Q-Was it by this charter that the Board Of superyis-
ors ceased to exsti A-No sir; that n special law,
QEt was in tue tax levy wasit not A.No sir; that
y unable obtain books bring back my recollec
| ton that am at the mercy OF ny memory, which Is
pretty il may not be altogether correct AZ
the last meeting of tins committee stated think that
| appointed Surrogate. IN tie place Of M west,
| Gideon D. Tucker | have since had a communication.
aud know il to be true that after the death Of Mr.:
West appointed, but the Presiding Justice OF
the Court of Common Pleas, Charles r. Day. according
to law, acted surrogate up TO December AT the Nov
tcae 4 County Canvassers, took his seat
in December of that year Therefore the only appoint
meut O county officer made by the Board or superys-
| March, 1866.
Q-And II was in the year 1870 the act was passed
whereby old BOard supervisors ceased TO exist,
aud then what donel A.-Then tie power was
| tla in the uds of N
mittee first the charter was passed, nen the dDrOgat0n
OF the Board Of SUPERVISOR aud then the tax levy my
memory serves right.
Q-Now, wno composed The Board OF Audit All
exactly wnat it is N chapter 1853, Laws Of 1870,
section i, page s9l OF the priutei copy. 49,,
Q And 1t provides A-And provides that IN the
County levy Tor that year ali liabilities against the
county sna be auIted Dy the Mayor, the Controller.
and present President Of the Board O Public Works.
Q-WnO was MdyOrf A. Oakey Hall
Q-Who was Controlleri A.-Richard b Connolly.
Q-Aud you were the present President OF tie Public
Q-wno prepared those clauses in the tax leyies Of
1870 which gave the control To these three mem A
Tue hrst tnig ever saw II, thnh was ia one OF tho
antcrOOm OF Sweeuy IN the Dcavan HOuse there were
pr sont sweeny ht Conh9y ana my seiI; tlat Is the
FIRST tan r,.oect seeing il, amt believe II was pre-
Q.-M..s the matter talked at that meeting, and
tie powers tney gayel A.-Yes sir
10 gwen Controller. the Mayor, id the present
Ples, ot the Department OF Public Works would en-
able tncm to make money for tnemselycsi Al don't
huOw tnd therewas 50 much ld IN reference 10 making
money Dat II WAS 10 reimburse the aud those who had
adj 10 secure it, passage; Oi Itself that act
do any great narln, buJ It's subsequent acts
gave tAe control Of ne City Government into the hands
Q-Tne object, / understand you. was enable you
TN, IN II 10 raise money 10 reimburse yourselves aad
money ndcd in the passage OF tue cLartert
A.-Inal was one OF he reasons talked of.
Q.-nhO nad furnished TIE money to be used Ia pro-
curng tnc passase OF the ciiar,eri A-Narous trades
men aud ourselves.
Q-Dy ourselves whom do yOu meant Al mean
Connolly, uJ self, Hugn Smtl-WnO represented al hat
tine s"e'"y AID - lin Mr.. Iiail-and tAe various
triIe-m n, lnger>Ol some, Garycy some, etc.
Q-rAe ra .esnen whose names you mentioned IN tho
Q-Wnl on b. so,d enough to mention the OF
trdIesmen wIO furnished money, 50 far rs yOt
ocOllec tue purpose OF bglbing the LEGISLATURE OF
1870 10 pass Tie charter OF yeari A.-James IA.
InGersO, X yseI Co, J.. A. Woodward, James a. Wat
and Eaward Boyle; can't rccoIect AL The other
nuncs, but n"st OF nose wno had any dealings vita US
al tue ime contributed.
recOlect auy otLer &C tue pieren time
Q-ls there any way i1at youe eal rei es your mem
or, tntt you recoil,ct OF thosoi Al DON'T
would ne OF service to mo in tins connection think
Charles II. J,c0bus pliG something toYard It; tank
Ke.nId Hay paid sOnrlulug toward u, thfOufu Henry
-lC nrury snitn raised siderable toyad Il also;
ne Was tAcn Police COmmssiuner. 1 may have men.
do so because they rald the per cent or Whatever
was demanded OF tne.n the Eric Railway know
lrOuted something toward II.
NJ. - "a; wnen | say GOud, mean FISK a,d Gould, or
..,, n,rs really same when We got into CONVEX
satlun wItu Oi them 10 room, generally nm
lshed It wlh one; TIE Otner generally mana ii 10 ieiye
tiiuk that money was na.ded ~ tbIoGsh fe,er B
can m moon ans otner names Henry emiIh raised
good al Ol II. -
ID DAT you get money from the heads Of q various
derarimentst A.-NOt IN connection with that; We uid
in connec ion tax levy ana vita other matters.
Q.-Ine! contributed Tor certain othef nitlersi A.
Tusy contributed HOthing IN tue tax levy, although
bleve tney dld help us a litile IN that
O-How was tnat mOuey raised to buy the passage OF
tu cuater 1901 "A la se part ot IL was raised
by friends jointly Of Connolly ANA smith, made pay
ypla to nv order, Connolly aud mys Ia, made pay
aple to smitn, Snth and myself, made payable TO
connolly the case may be; tho money was got from
the Broadway Bank; as general thihs tney We're made
payable 10 my OfueI' NJ, =, 4, Al, 49,. .,,
the Lelsiaturei Al dd' ,, -
Odd you pay 1t yourself " themt Ayes, TO some
Of fnem; what was paid 10 the members OF tue eIsa;
!. good deal ol business ia that llne'
Odd YOU ever give any money 70 Barber the
extrSs purpose OF brbing members Of tine Legislature
to yole for ls bllf A-fes' sr but lot Tor that OH
Spe ov much money did you give Barber in that
ueeioni Al have no ldea-hundreds OF thousands OF
ul ~ VI vo hundred thousand doarsi A-Oh yes about
three times tuat amount; S6OOOOO, thnK. was tue
"nou p5 Won pay that money over tohim in money or
in euecksi Al paid II to MIN al.ogether y money ex-
were $4,000. $4,000 or S90VOo 70 DE- pa'1 ana he
came Io New-YOrK and gave aim a check for II.
O-The check aiterward came back to you eudorsedi
ANIne cheek afterward came back 10 me endorsed;
think now the amount was S36OOO.
O-Dd you ever have VI her transaction with Bar
her except as go-Detween between you and pares
wno wanted to influence legisatIoni A.-When was
S"rnru Deputy Collector OF Assessments which was a
fee Office worth from $4,000 to $4,000 year; very
Barbcr held thas office, with ts emoluments, but the
work was done by the Collector himself, Mr stark
weather Barber was never in his ONCE. These
the only business dealings had with hm, except tAat
when ne crOcAeiy store ! purchased goods from
what would you call a large amounti Alt that
time would ca 5000 large amount now call any
thing from 50 up lar e amount lLaugnterl
o-Was there auy other transaction between you and
hun legitimate nature mean apart from tnis bust
u.ssf A-Except that bought few bales Of cr0ckery
from him. ,
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