The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1877-11-10


Mr. BLAcxBuRs then asked tho chairman Of the
meut TO be offered IN the House before calling tho
previous question: so ato test the sense Of the House
by yeas and nays between tho figures IN the bill
and those IN the amendment.
Mr.. ATKINS, OF Tennessee chairman the Commit
tee Approprations)-I wish 10 be courteous to
every enteman, but IN the discharge OF duties on
this floor must stand upon what believe to be right
Mr. BLAcKBuax-Then / trust that the previous
question on the bill will never be seconded
amendment to strike the clause restricting tho
army 10 It's present force. Tho vote on count ny
tho Chairman was l30 TO l36. The vote was then
takcn by teliers and the amendment was adopted bv
vote OF I'D To la
Mr.. ATKINS moved to amend by inserting proviso
that money appropriated by the act shall be paid
Tor recruiting the army beyond the number Of 10000
men, including Indian scouts and hospital stewards
Mr.. CoNGER, (rep.) OF Aicn., made point OF order
that the amendment was new legislation aud was not
reported by u committee
Mr.. ArKYs-lt Is in the interest Of economy and Is
in perfect accordance with the spirit Of legislation re-
ported by committee, because the bill had been
made upon the principle that there were only 10000
men In the army.
The Chairman overruled tho point of order
The amendment was then reJected--l2l to 123
Mr. lowSsnESD, (dem. of ILL.,, moved to strike out
the entire clause appropatng $4,000 Tor expenses OF
recruiting Rejected.
clause by reducing the appropriation for recruiting 10
s4o,o and limiting the force to 10000 men. Re-
jecou--1lS to 123
Mr. CLARK, (dem.) Of MO-, moved to reduce the APP
preparation Tor recruiting 10 $3.50 Rejected.
Mr. TUCKER, dem otSa, moved TO insert
TssrnH. me the men
the army roll The LIST OF November 1877 tor the
cavalry service ANA tor tue y the
only shall DO for that purpose and no FURTHER
Mr.. CoNGER, OF Michigan, moved tho point of order
that the amendment proposed legislation and
not in the interest OF economy.
Tho point OF order wassSustaincd.
Mr.. TUCKER then modified his amendment by adding
to y the words, but nothing herein contained shall
authorize Increase OF cavalry company beyond
the number now authorized by law" And in this shape
II was declared to DO IN order.
Mr.. SoHLEIcHER, (dom.) Of Texas, said that he was
satisfied the bill would pass unless there
was some spirit oi comp lse shown. He had n0tn-
ing TO complain OF III the amendment u offered, and
he was therefore, Willing TO lorego opposition to IL
ITS bad effects wore hereafter shown on the Infantry
arm OF the service the responsibility would rest where
II belonged.
sir. CoSGER-Then understand the gentleman to
roLquish the interests OF tho rest OF the country II
his own Stale be secured
Mr. scnLRIcHEI-I satisfied with tho amend
ment.
The amendment was agreed to-125 to 115
Mr.. BANNING, (dem.) 81 Ohio, moved to add TO Mr.
nothing herein c5n.nncd shall authorize The recruit
ing OF the army beyond $4,000 enlisted men,"
Mr. WApDxLL, (dem) Of North Carolina, offered an
amendment limiting the future admission Of cadets ut
the Military Academy to one cadet from each State,
aud allowing supern Itinerary officers TO assigned TO
universities aud colleges IN the state.
Mr. CoNdEa made thcspoint OF order that the amond-
ment proposed new legislation.
The point OF order was sustained.
MIR. CoNGER, OF Michigan. offered an amendment
allowing per cent 10 officers ana men OH the
amounts due 10 them.
Mr. EDEN, (dcm) of H., mado the point OF order
that tue amendment proposed legislation and
Tho Chairman sustained Inc point of ordor
Mr. WHIrrnoRSEs(dem. Of Tenn, made a CRITICISM
upon the absence OF detailed estimates and insisted
that the heads OF departments should BIO required to
furnish itemized accounts OF expenditures
Mr. lowSsnESD, Of Illinois, SAID that he was con.
WINGED from The votes to-day that the sentiment Of
the House was not In accord with the sentiment Of
the country on Tie question OF the strength OF the
army. He compared the relative OF the Amcri-
can and lorcgn armies, and planned that II wus so
much larger mere. lie also criticised tho fact that
while the present strength OF tho army ~, 900
me n there were but 500 on the Texas border ana
very few on tho Indian frontier, and he wanted TO
know where the troops wero.
MIR. EDEN, OF Illinois, suggested that there two
regiments IN Washington
Mr. TowxsnksD went on to say that the opposition,
70 the reduction oil tue army made tho republican
side Of tho House seemed 70 be In view Of putting
down troubles; but he had sym pathy with any
such feeling, and declared million men would DO
sufficient Tor that purpose
Mr.. HEWITT, Of New York, said that tho remarks Of
the gem leman from Tennessee (Mr. WhittnorncJ met
bis entire concurrence The committee, when IL
came to tho Regular Army bill for year, would
require the estimates TO DO presented IN greater do.
tail. but 10 have insisted upon them would
havo cntaed 100 great delay. As to tho
parison with the cost Of foreign armies he
IN nded the gentleman from limos mr. Townshcndl
OF the OF Ia Europe, the smaller
of supplies there and the much greater extont OF
country to be traversed and protected by the Aner
can army. There 40 posts IN this country 10
be guard ed ana vast amount OF public property
taken care OF. He thought II possible however to so
reorganze tho army rearrange tho service as to
have some of these posts discontinued. But this
would take time, and be asked MS trends not to
emDarrass the government and the army with
questions which could not be disposed Of without
great injury to tho public service.
Mr. FOSTER, OF Quo, said that he was IN favor of a
detailed estimate OF expenditures and ho called atten-
tod to the during republican rule lna mat
had been vastly Improved over former democratic
rule.
posts al winch troops wero stationed
Mr. HENpKKsoS, (rep) oil ILL.,, said that his colleague
mr. Townshend1 MAJ alluded 10 the Tact that the
American army was much more expensive 10 main
tam than tho large armies OF Europe. Was MS col
league favor of reducing inc pay OF tho American
soldier 10 that oil Russian soldier. who. he under
STOOD, rece we'd about three cents a day2
Mr. TowSsHESD replied that when Id found that the
Russian army cost, per capita, ABOUT one-tnird per
cent OF what the American army did no favor
OF some inquiry being made To ascertain whether tho
cost oil tho United States army could be reduced.
MI. HKxDEHsoS repeated his inquiry 40 TO whether
his colleague in laVor oil reducing the
United States soldier
Mr.. rowssHEsD-As Tar as the private is concerned
am ueL
Mr. HENDERSON said that his colleague had alluded
to the sympathy OF the republican party US beng
against the workingmen ana IN favor Of using tho
army Tor that purpose He mr. henderson, believed
the very first governors who called for army
TO put down the workipgnen during tho recent riots
were tho governors OF Maryland aud Wcst Virginia,
ana he bered that the Governor OF OHIO had re-.
fused to call for federal troops.
Mr. BANNING OF ONO that Ohio Governor was raised
Mr. HENDERSON said he was glad the gentleman had
good 10 leave the democratic party. There
nothing that the republican party had SAID done
that would justify the charge that II 10 favor of
using the army Tor tho purpose OF putting down tho
worxngmen. lie did not believe that II had any such
desire But that party did believe In preserving law
and order at all times ana under all circumstances
Whenever mobs attempted 10 usurp the laws II
favored the Of the troops. lie repealed any want
OF sympathy OF the republican party with the
inRman
Mr. AIKEN (dcm) Of S. G., said he could give in
formation where come oil the troops There
was one company In Columbia, ). c., whore there
more Tor IL than there this noor
There battalion in Charleston, some OF the
soldiers a lew nights ago broke into circus there
and attempted TO run the circus, but tho police got
alter them and put them in the guard house Laugh
the democratic side.l
Mr. CoSGER remarked (satirIcally) that graty-
ing " know that the authorities Of Charleston
able to with American soldiers what they could
do few years ago daughter the republican side
Mr. CkrrESDES, ldorn.) OF NO., offered another
amendment looking 70 reduction Of the force. and
made some remarks eulolistic OF Colonel Miles and
her uuCu m nj meutary General Howard WIN uaa