The New York herald., 1877-12-25
THE RING FRAUDS.
CREAMER, TAINToR AND GREEN BEFORE THE
ALDERMANIc coMMIrTEE-THE Ex-coMPTRoL-

CREAMER, TAlNTOR AND GHEEN BEFORE THE
ALDERMANIc coMMITrEE-THE Ex-coMpTRoL-
LER rs NoN-CoMMITTAL.
The Adermanic Committee resumed yesterday their
Investigations into the Ring frauda The morning
proceedings commenced by the delivery OF volun-
teer statement on the part OF ex-senator Thomas J.
Crcamer, who addressed himself chiefly to the re-
porters reply to some Of the statements made by
Mr.. Tweed. He thcn deprecated tho idea Of his
.santagonizngn with Tweed At this laie day, but
claimed that II tho Boss thought that Con.
molly told hun that he had arranged tor Creamer's
in 1870. such statements were false.
Tho charter was good enough excepting section OF
the tax levy. which inserted by tho Senate Com.
mittce Municipal Affairs, and that brought disgrace
the city. In regard to tho money which Tweed
SAID he PAID Mr. Creamcr IN 1870 the story
ridiculous US It was false.
BY Mr.. Cole Don't you think, Mr.. Crcamer, that
great many itcms in the tax levy were fraudulent?
"A. In connection with subsequent developments
think great many were.
Q. Was It not apparent at tho time that the levy
was overloaded with pct schemes OF tho managers
and their friends? A. don't think 1t was
q. You said that generally every member from New
York voted Tor tho passage Of the measures A. All
OF the democrats did because they dared oiher
WISE
q. Did not the republicans also vote for IL? A. /
think that both parties were responsible tor pas.
sagc
from what lac had since learned that out of every
100000 in I'll levy about $780, 900 had to
WAS ruERn ANY s.Loc. .RoLLIsaD IN FTP
Alderman CowIug wanted 10 know II there was any
"log- rolling in IT, TO which tho ex-senator replied
amid laughter, that he did mol know what Mr.. Cowing
meant
Alderman Cowing-I mean wore not both parties
responsible Tor putting these Jobs the lcvyY
No, s very few Of the democrats dared 10 &C. nde.
tsand a n4Su n ad nka
such slaves out OF legislators " the democratic
party nu ghter); tho republican party II had beon
decided strong, could have made the passage Of
tho charter impossiDle and tho same might be SAID
oil the iovy; tnink both parties are responsible.
To question by Mr. Colo, ME- Dreamer said that all
tho municipal difficulties wnlcA the CITY encountered
since 1867 originated in non-partisan committees. To
Mr Cowing the speaker satd he knew any hing
In Albany In the shape of subsidies, that
estimated; members voted on tho tax levy because
,nc TAX evy nad 20 ss 70 ~ny ny 'Ie s
1 responsible Tor tho tax levy, Is because afew IN
fuontal individuals managed the wholc matter; fire.
qucntiy many Of the recent reforms from coun-
try monbers; reform in tho hands OF great many IS
| numbus; wo are now living under the chartcr of
1870; II la very good one. out tho TAX levy was all
wrong the republicans, by bargains which they made
| elected The last two mayors Of this cty-tOhl ON /
and aughter)-and rs 10 reform, he would 'rciorm It
| rAisroR's AwruLLY BAD MEMORY
| MI H. +. Taintor was put on tho stand 70 furnish
nm account OF the which he had rendered
tho city IN tho matter OF collecting evidence bearing
| upon the .Ring SUITS" between tam specified
TO set forth his services IN detail The mcmbors OF
tho committees satd ihoy would not receive tho pa
per, and smart interchange Of conflicting questions
| aud answers passed between them andt tho wliEess
for matter OF ton or fifteen /mrnutcs Tainior ai-
| ways persisted referring tho committee to his
document Tor information, and tho committee I'M
sisted that he should reply piod voce 10 their inter-
rogaiorios Tue witnoss was unable TO say what
special services nc had rendered brtwccn June o,
/ 1874, and December 81 1874
Mr. Cole now read Mr.. Taintor's statement TO Comp
roer Green saying that his bill put In for col
lecng evidence The Ring c,vil and criminal suits
involving public iunos 70 the arnonnt Of 000
he could not point TO any specific service performed
by him; be could not say what services he had re-
dcred subsequently to June 1874, but remem bercd
that alter tnat tmo the duties no had assumed bo-
canc OF grcalcr Importance Out Of $4,000 which ne
had received nt time 80 UC0 went for clerk hire,
and he got 81 00Q
i MIR. Cowing-Thcre Is q statement that you have
received $50 600 IRON ihe city. That 10 incorrect
That amount OF money may been paid out 10 me-
but made large disbursements out OF thai The
| amount did receive Was about $66U0O.
Nh. Cole-You have Tor services rendered received
l,263? Mr.. rantor could NOT state just where his
services for this SUN came IN He was physically uD-
| able TO proceed anG declined 10 answer iurthor
| Tho Eight between The committee and tho witness
continued for halt hour without eiciting anything
definite from the latter AT the end OF shs space MIR.
Cole offered evidence the buacd state ment OF Mr..
Taintors accounts, and the latter picked up his hat
and anu speedily evacuated tho theatre OF war.
The sums which Mr. Ta.ntOr mad received made up
S7s97s u.s. OF which Sl0 600 tor salary s4dSl3 10
Tor work special cases and $22,oSo IN "ump
| sums"
l. IA. GREKs sAys LITTLE
Ex-Compt Green put on Tho stand and said
he thought personally employed iaintor, whom no
| found in the department wnen nc entered; Iaintor
was retained because ho was familiar with tho suits
tic about the details OF Islntors services or bilf he
| wns allowed TO stand down. IL uanspIrcd that
Taintor was nrst poyed by Ms TlIdcn Tor the pur-
| pose Of collecting evidence.