The New York herald., 1877-09-19

pose to notice questions proposed by every
that comes along Upon being answered ~ the afima
tive the witness remarked. 'rhen you Will never get
Mr. Townsend requested that the questions to be
asked MS client should be propounded at one session
and answered At the following one, IN order that he
mignl have time 10 refresh his memory.
| Mr Cole and the Chairman could not permit that,
for the reason that people would say under sucn pro-
cedure that the answers had been cooked" up
Mr.. rwed said he would do the best no could at re-
! plying out of hand ana Mr.. Cole proceeded with the
examination, beginning with the questions suggested
! by Mr. Morrissey. He said
| O. The lrsr assertion OF Mr. Morrissey IS this
| "Thers are now in the Tammany General Committee
at least fifty men who served under the city govern
mcnt in Tweeds time, in the boards ol Aldermen aud
Common Council aud elsewhere" Mr. Tweed, can you
| at this time name any men who are In the Tammapy
Hall Association who during your terms OF Office
city officer at time served under tho city gov
ernmcntf A. know nothing about tho Tammhny
| organization any other organizations at present.
o If was to get you a list of all the persons who
anywise con nnccted with the Tammany organization,
VIII yos, at the next meeting, point out all persons
will, SO far as my memory serves. may rccoect
several OF them.
Q Do you know anything about tho Brooklyn
COMMISSIONER srREnrs
Q wish to examine you upon tnat at subsequent
period OF this session Passing that for the present,
Wili he tell, says Mr. Morrissey, IN the Sum- show
much was paid for the Aldermens confirmation Of
other gentlemen who at different times niled tho po
stIon OF City Chamberlain, and OF two who held the
ofhce OF Commissioner of Streets, aud who got ths
the time you connected with the city govern
mcnt? A. Peter b Sweeny, Walter J. Bradley and
O. DID these two also hold the office Of Commissioner
oil Streets! A. Too OF them, think. did
q Are you sure OF that? A. think am.
Mr. Townsend objected that, five or six years hav-
ing passed since Mr. Tweed was called 10 think OF
time for consideration in regard TO them. He asked
that the questions be propounded 10 MI Tweed and
he DO called upon to answer them a. the next meeting
Mr. Tweed said rather hoty, that ho would reply to
them this meeting SO far as he was able We" said
Mr.. Townsend 'supposing that you make mistakes
IA fhnv VIM lv vnD
something of that kind" Mr. Cole said he could not
consent give the witness time to consider the ques
tons that way, as the public. In that case, would
say that Tweed had liked up' his answers .As
matter OF course have got to fix up my answers"
replied Mr. Tweed ''l gave my first impressions OF
everything / would be just likely to be wrong
right" The examination was then resumed.
q. Who hcd the oitce OF Commissioner OF Streets
during your connection with the Guy government
A. The first man was John d. Dodge; that was IN 1852
49, James Fury; then later, Charles J. Cornell was
George ". Macean, who had Two or three months
OF II; when CornelPs time was out acted as Street
Commissioner; was deputy and acted as Commis-
O Do you know whether not the Board of Alder
men paid or any member Of the Board OF Alder
men paid any money for the confirmation OF Peter
b. sweeny as Chamberlain A. don't know, sir;
heard at the time, out know nothing OF my own
knowledge; heard he paid 900; my connection
with MIN at that time was not intimaie; don't know
what Aldermen received the money; cannot dnd out
by refreshing my memory, for never knew: the only
persons l wouo be likely to know are Mr. Swecny
o. Do you think Mr. Morrissey knew anything
about itg A. think he did know about it, suggest
that he bo called as matter OF information.
O. Do you know Of any money being paid to the
Board Of Aldermen or any pembcr OF the Board OF
A. No, Sir; think rot; never heard OF any money
being pald IN connccton with his appointment nor
as Chamberlain; | now nothing about Mr..
pamer's charnberainshir, and never heard
pontnent neither do with respect to the appoint
ment OF John d. Dodge; he was elected ana was IN
Office when went int office IN 1872 l never heard
pontrnent OF James Fury as Street commissioner,
except Tor legitimate election purposes Iammany
Hall gave mucn In each district for his election
expenses-so much Tor ballot boxes, so much for
ballots, &c; the Seventh ward, IN which !
resided, know raised the money, S. from one
man, S2 from another and so on, as much as VIC
could from everybody; don't know of any money
being used in an illegal way in that election; 1t was
twenty three or twenty four years ago.
COUNSEL OBJECTS TO nEARsAr EVIDENCE.
ton of the witness III relation which tho
latter had direct personal knowledge and which
had occurred az period SO long ago as TO render Their
i'm mediate and accurate recollection imposs blc and
hoped that the witness under his advice, would &C.
elmo TO answer any more
acting under the instructions OF the committee. HIS
notion was TO find out all he could about the matter
under investigation.
Mr. Townsend said that respect should be paid
rules OF evidence Tho witness had been asked
questions which never would have been propoundcd
a court OF justice
Mr. Cole did not understand that tho rules OF evil
dence pertain such an investigation as the
present OF course when the witness asked,
'What have you heard y his answer would not be evil
dence against anybody but 1t might recall the sources
Mr.. Townsend contended that while Mr. Tweed was
perfectly willing tell all he knew about the manner
In which the people of New York had been wronged
by the Ring he should not be asked 10 give mere
rumors without any known foundation which had
reached his cars any IL would be unjust and
cruel to mention such way the names OF citizens
who would have opportunity to rcpe or refute the
nsinuations or charges thus lightly made against
heir chm
might b ave had with any member OF the Ring that
he should do certain thing might be proper TO In.
quire INTO, and he should not object to the result
OF such understanding being gone into in de-
tall but Mr.. Tweed should not give mere ru-
mors heard outside of the Ring organizations.
Mr.. Cole suggested that the committee was not in
the of court, but rather OF grand jury sitting
Mr.. Townsend observed that there vast differ
ence, since grand jury was strictly private while
the pending investiEation was public-vcry puohc In
deed.
The examination was then Proceeded with. Witness
testified that his connection with Street Commissioner
Charles g. Cornell was OF the most intimate character
having served as Mr. CornelPs deputy during the
whole Of his term of Office, ana that he
used to effect his election or appointment; in re-
spect TO George W. Mclean he had the
same statement make; street Commissioner
there had also served Shepherd Knapp General
Smith and General Lowell; witness had never heard
of money being used illegally effect their position
in any way; never knew OF money being used TO
/ affect the appointment or confirmation OF CITY
/ Chamberlain; had heard 1t rumorcd that Peter b.
swecny had pad 10000
/ Mr. Tweed stated that he heard the rumor around
the City Hail. and in tha, connection named gentle
man. called Pratt Patt, President oil The Artisans
! Bank.
Mr. Townsend again protested against the manner
! In which the examination being conducted and
claimed that all rules OF evidence dlsregarded by
, Mr.. Cole IN putting his questions.
Mr. Tweed stated comprenensvely that he never
knew OF any money beng pad 70 elect the conlrma-
! ton or appointment OF any Chamberlain
q Here is question suggested by Dir. Aorrisscy.
"ei HIM tell how much II cost for the passage by the
Leg gislature OF the Erie classification bill, tho bill
egaiizus Eries fraudulent STOCK, aud the act legal
izing Til. New York Central's scrip and how and to
whom The money PAID. Mr. Tweed do you
know about that? A. Ii you divide that into ques-
tions will tell you.
q. propose TO reserve that subject until come to
II 10 the regular course only ask you whether you
| know abouttY A. DO; yes SIT.
Mr. Morrisscy procceds-"WiIl he say whether or
| not man who Is high up in the councils OF Tammany
Hall did negotiate Tor the passage OF the New York
| Centra's bill ~ A. know nothing about Tammany
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