New-York tribune., 1877-01-06
XLIVrH CONGRESS-2D SESSION
REGULAR REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS.

REFERRED TO THE JUDICIARY CohMITIEE-
DEFENSE OF GOV. GROVER BY SENATOR KELLY
SENATE. .WAsHINGrOX, Jan. .. 1877.
Mr.. MORRILL, (Rcp., Vt), from the Commit
tee on Public Buildings and Grounds, reported bill t0
authorize the taking of certain parcels 0 land FOR puho
usc at the nterscCt OF Pennsylvania and MaryIand'
aycs with the west front the Capitol grounds Placed
on the calendar.
MR.. MORTON Rep, indy called up the resolution sub
mitlod by the Committee on Privileges and Elections on
Wednesday last declaring that VIM NJ Turner is In duty
bound under his OATH answer the questions proPound
ed to him by tnc committee in regard 10 the transmission
Of icrgaphic messages through his Office at Jac.soh
Vile Oregon and u at he cannot excuse himself IRON
answering the same ly of his official connection
aqrr oi their ofilcs ~ Jacksonville, Oregon.
Ir. KELLY 1Den., 0re@On) said ne hoped the feso,n
gahic communications should not DE made pnllie when
Justice dUjnaudcu IT, II was wcsnONn piInclpie 9'
law that written cOninunicati0nS-no III t'r Low u",
dcutid-must tie produced IN chltts oi lnstice Whel
necessary to the ends OF justice, ana nothing Na
mere sacred than conidenal lcttcf OctWech Nv" pl
SONS. Ihis witness CrGcucr had nnqhsnIntoy p9tl
lraky; he had disclosed something about m -
passing through his ohcc anh now ne shOu ~, 'n, ~ ~
tell the whole. lie Clr. Kelly was very conident that
sal m. Oregon. would show that any ,hing WroiS h'l
bcea done II any improper teiegram ha Plare" & ., ,ei
tne wire he (Nf. Kelly would have known sontthn
aou it, lie was satisfied that nothing llhpioper count
he shown tnlt not "a dollar ma D'tn cApth lc' uu-
al the time. and knew or aii me Itans.sG,o,,s' ~
He very aStoHshcd ~ III" FitUiFiaIIEc IL
saut made by The Senator from Iowa thf. Wright !fS-
terda! upon tLe Governor oi oregon. y tnht . n"''
took occasion tu assault tie Governor oi OREGON On nc
I,s.nt ana could nol reply he could not unierstal li.
The senator from Iowa was mistaken III his asserted
fL du. OF the Executive OF ate The Governor, 50
ylide yesterday had Gcen twire cecte Coy iriHf oi
In the Scuatc q! United States In everything that
boc.nr oi 0nOr, man oi principle Gov Grover
hr. WRIGHT rep, I"wal said II WAS far from MS
tlouslts vest rdy 10 abuse or WHY any one. ne &C.
A a. fl I1.Ifu a.
conclusions. II the facts stated ny hiin were fuc nc h'u
Mr. KELLY ai..mcG that the Governor of Oregon
Justified nis action by hc decisions Of the supreme
Cour,s oi lndilua aud oi Or'Son III,
Mr.. WRIGHT said tuc Governor was mere minis
te.al olcer, aud no ii cisiOn which author
lied him 20 decide judicial question.
M. KELLY argued that tue question decided NY tne
Governor OREGON Was not Judicial one; it was
roic question and the Governor had HE rigsI 10 de
MI SHERMAN Gcp.. Ohio said the scnate shonid
consider tDc tiun to tine extent Of ia power III
cains ior private teegr.ns between ci,iz las. As a
rule the cuurt, did not compel the production 81 private
,iu,ess particular pnnels were called for. and II
was SHOWN t time lhat they we're necessary 10
serve the ends u Justice. He wa not prepared 10 say
et ti. lsr was one whru iGstlled senate OF The
United -tatcs in calling fOc rieitnis III general way
lie nuIqt tur senate the United States would not be
c dyf a. f,k down tiic ordinary barriers OF conf len
tiai communication between private individuals Tue
power o tue Sonae in completing tue production oi '
icts add tclc ra!us ui bc kept winn The LIMITS TO
,iirn n c,urf would 90. lie trusied that tue
c tnr teegr.lls would he COutned strictly 10 taose
t,lrgr.,ns public officers upor public slie-E
turl. w0d I've ~ general call tel grams. The power
WAS a dangerous one and hkty 10 De abist'i ahh he
o ed some law woud he passed Ia govern the pro-
ductton of ,legraius and cttcTs Private properly ara
private papers sHoud be Kept sacred III the COihitee
ON Privileges and Elections desired certain teegfuS
they suotlId pointed Uu;, and t should bc s5o"n mat
thrIr production wa Necessary 10 plhS uut lo "hoie
tIutn M the nycs igaiicn The Senate acting as
court should act wtn exceeding care in ordering ihe
production oi tcles rams IT, 3,
Mr. BaYAED tD.iu., DELI aaid he heartily i'm
favor all disciosIcs al maIeis pertaining to TINS
Oregon mattel ad AZ was dl>pn>cd To - very faF IN
compelling ie oduct!on OF testimony; az the same
tine "
an, except under tie laws cf the iaud lie dld not
peiirVe in liberty divorced law. lie believed that
me Sena.e lu authorize the investigation
now being H,uic by the Committee on Privileges and
Eiect,Os hut i must not Oi get that IL was now masking
q uccedcHt. lie reviewed the Questions which th6 wit
ness Turner had declined to answer. and sais most o
wound De allowed IN court OF justice, tnonn one
or two should be narrowed down and made more
sprcc lie then referred 10 the investigation by the
special CouIn.tt.c OF Mississippi AtIirs made year
a.o and sad a wH0osilc Proiuc. ION Of tclograplc
COMMUNICATIONS ordered by tine majority oi thai
cou.iuee hut he objected 10 Slch general production
"a ,e, grams. II hH opinion Po>al cdids were no;
much more public than C.egiams al to-day FkiIitul
ttr-Ia operators CouId br III thc room W'ie al NJ
s.rucn. Ocatid and by hlcr ear could tahe mes
sax. ij.i as well a. il seated al tire iustrGmcHt IHe
cuul,C nad l tc fhtS "icl c"uit "l Jls.tt hiu VI
tu production testimony and lc would ad ih CON
Htee al IN nis poHti u GiinoI ,r "'H,1',% % o. & 5
dishonesty ~ regard 10 tGf iatr cIrr'l" ana any iuc3'
tiun Wh.cJ jHe aw would ComlF! whites Ia ahS|tr
elsewhere would compel hm 10 answer before cou-
Mr. CONKIINo (:ep, y. ~ said it seemed to him
uuiortuna,. tiGt VITA many empty seats thr cnIte
saou,d br cGied upon to ran HE DonndiIie5 o. ,tisr
calu"s W!ch iHs. II between s'tslc' aii ,ti-
tIon Wss uudr c0uSdelhi On al thpih-i forum iDi WI
ness Tuner. understood, iad nOJ YET been Instructed
oy lose he ac'cd on account ot the
uC!l'f t"ai ihe hhtltF ul ui'uIEhS hIc-Idpi'o
c,uinunici - settled in dnOt lrr 1Ortm to
day. tie therefore III Aght ms resolution might
lac allowed 10 stand uh.H ne raliy called ut1h
testify could D. advised, aTi III tue mean nm th0
s,uat.rs could consider the subject There WAS one
ti!g certain either the telegraph would cease 10 Ur, ,s
II H. a great convenience or those ho managed 1t would
adopt measure wnich would IIake II Impossible
legally aud pS sically, iUr anybody 10 rimmlse tine
me- OF dispatches. As wa, SAID OF some grtat
elora,h company would burn ncir dis aicnes IA ease
C,n.cs, asserted the rit To tumble and handle every
WAC paiTou.acd tno Telegraph companies would lorce
them TO keep MESSAGE secret. IL. "@ud Noic Wi'n al
proceeding upon sirrrry cunt. ihcrc were meets
and nOuIds wilicn snnId De adl ird Ia.
Ihr Fi.E~iDENf lIid hriOr- the scnate memorials OF
the National oar OF Trade Of ihe United .tat"a hsy.ns
nr u revision -. the li .kru"y law and of the farm
rud InicIil iyt huc laws Referred to the COnnltJcc
Oh tuc aOdict4y and I'm ,;lcc
1h, d.scission OF lnc Turner resolution then re-
MI MORTON Rep., Iud) said he believed that this
whulc subject iu reg ri 10 the secrecy o tccgrapn'c
communications wac H,tiDn he power OF C1nei.s aud
ni b. regulated lay toBGitss II was -iltg"ct iOf
On, ,siuiial rgisiaon aIlc should bo egi-aic npoD
Tn.rr Wa law uLsh the disclosure 10 tceslup4ic
IN ms Isirtt ar ahY of III" Territories
O. me United States, although the Government daily
s,nj messages OF tuc most important character. Tae
stafatGs V OT"son referred 20 did not i'reEtl
ine witness 1u.icr FROM teeiiiyIng. II provided
of Il ClcGrapnc ccuIuncalon, but telcSiapher called
mon 10 iesIly IN any court could bo punished uuder
IT. There doubt tUD2fN'ss cUnd pun iole.Iapale
u, Iatc ug,un I,otng Win letter Ia lhc MA
~ regard ,,crecy, and dispatches SHOULD he protected
10 extent.
Mr. INGALI.S (& T., Kal.) said there was no reason
vlly eoU!s oi ,ccgrlir tche, should he retaImed
y.c ifodie win the tc' graph cohplnlc5 theii-
s.y.s II law should passed requiring tcli graph
c,Ipan. I" dc>tfJF aii nt+.aStH' tiric WoIu bo no
Ifine higHly HiJt inc dlHSilVt mNesilEilons, and
wneu Codits jdsCc committees Of Congress de-
sired ulcgriis tney Ouh bc coiEle 10 Apply To Tue
and to tue Gus Cain of sucn mes
sag5S. .
~. WALLACE dem, Prnu) argued that IL WAS the
ui, O tn senate 81 tnthr itlcgraPiilc ronnii-
nceuIw DC brought 10 giG ~-ch thcy an 'cted the
administration Ui justice. -.
Ar. EhIOS tD,.m., Connl said IN his judgment this
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