The New York herald., 1877-12-27
EXTRAORDINARY FORGERIES


PING cAERERE AND HUsrED--pINKERToN's
SHARE IN THE CASE.
Learning that Leroy j. Hurd, residing at No. 52l
Myrtle avenue, Brooklyn, was instrumental in bring.
ing TO light the great forgcrics and causing
arrest Of William Carrero aud John H. Hustled,
HERALD reporter called on that gentleman with
view OF learning how tho case had been worked up.
Mr.. Hurd said:-I first met Carrero some six
seven months ago Hc and were then on the Fourth
Avenue Railroad conductors ! have met him
frequently since that time, AMI have considered him
or less "crooked." In March last met Carrere
when was out Of employment ana he asked mo Il
would not like to mako some money by passing some
lfty-doar counterfeit bills OF the national issue. Not
wishing to get myself Into difficulty refused to at
tempt the job He thon asked inc II would not find
purchaser for $4,000 worth of United States bonds
stolen from the Bank OF Norwalk. Conn.,, somc six
years ago. Thinking there was chance to make
some money by informing the police | promised to
do what could toward obtaining one and tnen left
HIM. / aiterward saw Captain Lccch and Detective
Price, OF the Fourth procinct, Brooklyn, 70 whom !
Camppe and District Attorney Britton, and repeated
tho story. Both Campbell and Britton stated that
letters which should bc up and tho latter said
that no would see that got into no difficulty
Under their INSTRUCTIONS l informed Carrcre that
had found purchaser Tor the bonds, VINO would give
ninety per cent, and he was TO deliver them TO mo IN
Brooklyn. We were to meet al Fulton ferry on the
Brooklyn side and proceed TO the oiice OF the Mutual
Gaslight Company. corner OF Montague and Court
streets, where Carrere was to be introduced 10 the
bogus purchaser and here the officers were TO arrest
him. On the day appointed met Carrcrc ut
tho ferry between three four O'Clock in the alter
moor, but ne stated that he had Jailed to bring tho
bonds the other parties New YORK who wore IN tho
transaction had grown timid and the money de-
nunhaI In n0Va a
matter, and Ia May, some tnreo weeks later, again
met Carrere when no stated that he had some forged
bonds purportng to bo issued ny Tho City OF Quincy
Ill., lavor OF The Missouri aud Pacific Railroad Ihey
were SO genuine, Carrcre said, that the banks
him a purchaser he would see that l received good
pay. The following day he furnished me with ono OF
the bonds and took |. 10 Captain Leech anu Chief
Cam pbclL they SAID that they could not anything
In The matter as II could not be proved that the bond
OF Commerce. New York, where II was pronounced
genuine. then wrote 10 the authorities at QUINCY
ILL., informing thom that the market was to be Hooded
with forged bonds purporting to bc issued by their
CITY, and asking them II any reward would
be paid for information lending 10 The ar
| answer to the letter. Carrere was to allow
| me three per cent Tor tho sale. he receiving
nlleen per cent for them. finally found purchaser
ior the bonds In the person OF curbstoLc broker
named Clark, who has since ieit Tor Europe, but as
Carrere and disagreed as to which OF us should denver
| the bonds 10 Clark that arrangement also dropped
| through.
/
my trade, natter, III Crossley's factory, and while
there Carrerc sent man TO sec me, anu
was informed that Carrcre wished me to
como 10 Brooklyn, as he had something
Important to tell me. came requested
and told by carrcre that no had some OF the
| bonds stolen from the Keysve 5ank, up III rs ex
county, and no wished me to find him the man VINO
wanted take the Quincy bonds ! said thought
Monday saw Carrcrc again, whoa hc statca man
going 10 Philadelphia on Wednesday to dispose Of
$4,000 worth OF them / aitcrwari addressed u
| tctte t0 n WaIlluu
York, telling him lnat thought could give him IN
formation which would lead 10 thcarrest OF the Keys
vile Bank robbers He did not pay any attention 10
| my proposition, however, and alter waiting some
three weeks wrote to Plnkertons Detective Agency,
statement ana adding that could also give inorma-
ton concerning the issuing Of largo number Of
| forged bonds on the Now York market
| PiSKERToS ENGAGED
Mr. Bangs, supcrn endent OF the agency replied to
the letter, III which he SAID tnat the kcysv'i. Bank
| robbery case tie hands OF StperintoLd Ldent
| Wailipg anu his men, and therefore beyond the
agcncy's control He stated, however, that any Ia
| formation concerning tho ISSUING OF forged bonds
| would be pail l0r, and desired AN interview. Tho
same day received letter from Carrere saying no
desired also 10 SEQ mo. visited Mr. Bangs ut the
agency, aud he told me that unless | were suro the
| Quincy bonds were iorgeries there was no use IN
taking hold OF tho case. Wncn ! called uron Car
| rcre he informed That ho mad II hts possess
| Aion check Of one oil tho best IN
the city OF Now York, which had been raised from
$500 10 $S O0o Tins was drawn ny b. b. Clanln, and
was indorscd by Mr. Archibald the British ConsuL
aitcrwaid saw Detective Price, ana called upon Mr.
i
to do with the matter Upon telling Carrcre that /
| could not do anything with tho chcck he proposed
that should lind him purchaser Tor $40, 900 worth
oil forged st. Louis county bonds Hc could, II noccs
sary ne said furnish 500 00J worth OF them. lie
nished INC Il 81, 600 bond, ana took II 10 Pnkcrton
who telegraphod 10 the ST. Louis authorities, and
/ ceivcd answer TO 30 on with tue case.
| now ARRESTS WE'RE MADE
| told Pinkerion ho must hnd purchaser for In o
bonds, and he introa uccd John Hanna broker,
| ut No. III Wall street, ami he tovk tho bond. Tho
| following day Hanna called a. lark Livingston Il
Co. Is banking house. in Pine street. and while there
| MIR. Johnson, broker or No. 81 broadway, came in
to negotiate for $4,000 worth OF tho same bonds.
| Hanna informed him that they were iorgories, and
| when Johnson stated that man named heusted was
wait ing Ia onice Tor tho money detectives were
INN cdiatcly sent there aud arrested hlm The price
which Hanna promised 70 pay Carrerc ninety per
cent and when introduced Carrerc TO Hanna in tie
office OF the latter he there said that tho bond in
| HAnnu,s possession was ms and placed u la his
| pocket lie agreed With Hanna to deliver him tho
following S10 900 worth o the bonds the above
price. Carrcre aud then lett the onlcu and
rested a. the corner oil Wall ana Broad streets We
were taken Pnkcrtons Agency, where saw Hcustcd
| for the Arst time Hcustcd and Carrere alter
ward taken before Juscc Duty ana held TO in
| the sum OF $4,000 ball They aftorward pleaded
guilty TO forgery in the third degree. Hurd says no
has been bady treated In tho matter by PinKerton as
| he had boon promised as much Tor his work Car
rere ugrced give him Tor negotiating Tor the sale
| the bonds. Hurd claims 70 have received only be-
| tween 500 and sI0 when no should have received at
| least $500 or $7OO