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Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

The Greenbackers and Work
ingmen affiliated in Columbus on
the 18th. The Greenback State
Ticket was withdrawn and a con-
glomerate ticket presented.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

Later information touching the
losses at the Patent Office gives the
number of models destroyed as 80,
600. The value of these losses in
the abstract is said to be 81, SOC, 900,
but as large class of the models
cannot, or viii not be replaced, the
actual loss is reduced to $sOO,OO or
$780, 900.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

The New York Ladependeat saws:
President Hayes is simply CARVING
out the principles to which both
himself and his party were explicit.
IY committed. He is seeking to
give them the form of facts, as well
as that of words, doing as Presi-
dent what as candidate he said he
would do, if elected. If Republi-
cans did not mean it, they should
not have said it. their candidate
both said it and meant it.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

The total number of pesons sup
ported by the Government in Ma
dras and Mysore both on relief
works and gratuitously on account
of the famine, is put at over a mil
lion and a half.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

As butchers, the Russians and
Turks are a success, but they both
seem to be ignorant of scientific
methods of warfare. They throw
their battalions against intrench-
ments to be slaughtered by whole
sale, without gaining results in any
degree corresponding to the tre-
mendous loss of life. The two ma
tions seem to be almost equally bar
barous, and in fair way if the war
continues long enough to decimate
each other, and like historical Kill
kerny cats, leave nothing but an at
tenuated extreme point of their ex-
istence.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

Gov. COlquitt, in bidding the Pres
ident welcome the other night in At
lanta, aptly stated the significance
of the hearty demonstl ations which
everywhere greet him. "Most prom
inent in our mInds," said he, "high
er, greater than every other distinc
tiOn, is the character which you illus
trate as the peacemaker between
brethren estranged. 1t is enough to
fill the measure of the loftiest ambi-
ton to remove fear and suspense from
the hearts of twelve millions of peo-
pie, your fellow-citizens, and restore
to them a sense of repose and securi-
ty under your Administration" The
most enthusiastic applause from the
listening multitude interrupted and
followed these words, and nobody
can doubt that the Governor express
ed just what was in the popular
mind. 1t is as the peacemaker that
Mr.. Hayes visits the South, and as
the peacemaker the South bids him
welcome.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

We have a "solid South" once
more, but it seems to be rather
solid for the President and his
policy of Administration.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

The Pittsburgh Telegraph asserts
that "only the female mosquito
bites" We take that the Editor
adopts this conclusion without phys
biological demonstration.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

The death of Senator Bogy, of
Missouri, which occurred Thursday,
the goth, viii make no political
change in the Senate, as he will be
succeeded by Democrat, the Gov
ernOr filling the vacancy until the
Legislature assemblies.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

The Pope must originally have
been a man of Sampsonian consti-
tuition, inasmuch as he has been
"growing weaker" for the last ten
years and is yet able to get up at
Z O'Clock in the morning.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

Since the PlImsoll act went into
operation in England, in 1876, Io4
vessels have been detained in their
wharves and examined. Of these
''hoating cofins," 1Ol were found to
be unsafe in still water.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

The Chicago Times says that
when Minister Noyes called on
President MacMabon, he was clad
in the uniform of a Major General
and cork leg.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

If Tweed does not reimburse the
city of New York, he will at least
afford information sufficient to fill
all the front seats in the New York
penitentiaries with leading politi-
clans and grave and reverend Sena-
tors.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

Hon. r. M. Bishop, Democratic
candidate for Governor was invited
to joint discussion by Mr.. Williams,
the coIored Republican candidate
for the Legislature from Hamilton
county. Mr.. Bishop declined the in
vitation, not because of and prejudice
against color, but because he realized
his inability to cope with Mr.. Will
liams in debate. 1t used to be said
that if the negroes were emancipated
they would come into competition
with the laborers and crowd them
out OF work. But alas! the case is
worse than was predicted. A color
man now crowds a Democratic can
date for Governor off the stump.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

The confession of Tweed reveals a
state of utter corruption in New
York politics which surpasses all
that has been supposed. He
claims that he spent not less than
s6OO,OOO in buying the Legislators
of New York in order to secure
the passage of his famous charter
for the city of New York.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

The Democrats of the South, as the
President and party move along on
their trip, appear to be not only unan-
imous, but almost fierce in their en-
thusiasm for the President and his
policy. There is no reserve in their
heartiness. This makes all the more
apparent-and distressing the coldness
of the Democrats of the North.
Were it not that those northern chaps
have always followed the lead of
their southern brethren, this state of
things would be not little discour-
aging. We have, however, an abid-
ing faith, that it will not be long
before they will step into line and
put their lung power to good use in
sounding the praises of the great pa
cipicator. Greater harmony in the
household of faith must be cultivated,
and all keep step to the music of the
union.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

No one can develop the grace of meekness
by listening to a crying Baby. Stop its fret
fulness by curing the Collie with DIR. Bulls
Baby SYrup. Price 25 cents.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

Now that Gen. Mcclellan has
consented to be the Democratic can
didate for New Jersey, the Demo-
cratic papers are again telling what
great things Mcclellan is "going to
do" they acquired proficiency in
that during the war. But he never
did them.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

A Woman Custom House Inspect.
Or followed another woman who
seemed to be very fat, all the way
from Montreal to ogdensburg. AT
Ogdensburg she examined the fat
woman, and found one sealSkin
sacque, fifteen yards of velvet
twelve of silk, and muf, hidden
among her personal dry goods.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

Mr.. Tweed's testimony confirms
the worst that has been supposed
concerning the old Tammany bal
lot-box villainies. He acknowledge
es that in New York city the
votes used to be regularly and sys-
tematically falsifed by the count
ers for the sake of securing what
ever result was desired. Ito use mis-
own words, 'We would count the
ballots in bulk, or, without count
ing them, announce the results in
bulk, or change the totals from one
to the other, as the case might be-
The ballots made no results-the
counters made the result
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

Gold closed in New York last
Wednesday at 1.O59.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

Frank Hiener, of Warren, at
tached himself to Doc. Hoffman's
show this summer as a balloonist.
At Glade Spring, Va, on the 10th
inst, the balloon collapsed and let
him fall a distance of one hundred
feet. He died a few hours after
wards.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

Marshal MacMabOn refused to al
low Theirs papers to be searched.
He might have done it according.
to the French law which authori-
zes the ransacking of the desks of
men who have held high Office, on
the presumption that something
might be found of Importance to
the State.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28
Strawberry PIants!!

I HAVE A LARGE STOCK OF
Extra fine. true wilson strawberry
plants, which I will sell for FiYe Dollars per
Thousand.
win at the ground. furnish plants, supply
Supernhosnhafe and set the plants, for Fif-
team boilaFs nor Thousand plants. Provided
am not required 10 go more than about a
mile nom home to do the work; and that
the yronnd has been under cultivation the
mast season. and is now clear Of weeds and
I have also very fine stock Of House plants
Including blooming Foliage, Scented, and
climbing or dropping plants.
cut Flowers and Floral EmblemS supplied
on short notice, and at reasonable rates.
JAMES Z. JENNINGS
1869 South Main ST., Ashtabula,
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

The "belligerent non-combatants"
who are parading Rebel flags in the
Presidents face, may as well retire
from the business at once. The war
ended some twelve or thirteen years
ago, and it is time the young men
who took no part in it found that
out. " Y. Tribune.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28
WILL TROUBLES.

When people fix up their affairs and lie
down and die, they have no idea how soon
all their fixing will be unfxed. Matthias
Danser, gambler, left an estate Of half
million or more, to his daughter, Mary
Danser, who, having seen the wickedness
of her father, was most pious and devout
woman. When Mary came to die, she left
all this money to religious bodies, much to
the disgust of her relatives, who had been
waiting for her decease for some time, i'm
patiently. The religious societies wran-
gled over it fer some time, appearing to be
in doubt as to whether they ought to ac-
cept money that had been made over the
green cloth. They finally accepted it,
however, feeling that no matter how the
money was obtained, they would put it to
good use, and that they could sanctify it.
But now, after the religious bodies had de-
cided to take it, they didn't get it all; for
the other heirs of the late Danser came in
and undertookto invalidate the will, claim
ing all sorts of irregularity, and rather
tnan have it go to trial, the claimants
agreed to divide it into two parts, and so
it was settled. The church gets the half
of the dead gamblers money, and his
brothers and sisters the other half, and
they are all supposed to be happy,
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28
REEcHER's BOOKS.

The papers that hate Beecher are laying
great stress upon the fact that at the last
book-trade sale, Beecher's books sold for
six cents per copy, arguing therefrom that
the great scandal destroyed his popularity.
don't see it in that light; all the books
offered were old ones, that, in the course
Of nature had become valueless; there is no
ssla for a book that has once passed its
popularity, no matter who is the author.
Doubtless, the great scandal would deter
many people from buying book from Mr..
Beecher's pen, but were he to write fresh
one, the curiosity to see what it was would
give it a larger sale than ever; certain it
is that Mr.. Beecher's lectures are better at
tended than ever. and there is no diminu-
ton in the attendance at his church. He
is very far from dead.
NEW SAVINGS BANK SWINDLE.
The Clairmont Sayings Bank has gone
the way of all flesh; it is the old, old story;
the directors permitted two men to run it,
and shut their eyes to irregularities so long
as they were permitted to borrow money
on worthless securities or no securities at
all. The two managing men speculated
with the money of their dePos1tors' they
lost, real estate deprecated. and mp 1t
went. Thousands of poor men have lost
the little savings they depended upon to
carry them through the winter, and an ex-
animation is being made, which will result
as all such examinations do, in censuring
the directors; but not cent will ever be
got out of it. The receiver will eat up the
assets, and in time the affair will be for
gotten. There are a thousand better men
in Sing Sing than these swindlers; but they
will continue to move in the best society
all the same.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

The Bankers convention recon-
mended the passage of a law to al
low the sale of four per cent. bonds
for greenbacks. The greenbackers
cannot fail to favor this, and yet it
means contraction to just the ex-
tent of such bonds purchased.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28

A dollar greenback or a Nation
al bank note, will to-day buy within
about three cents of as much as one
dollar in gold. Everything pur-
chasable has been shrunk to ante
war prices. Hence that greenback
dollar will purchase nearly three
times as much as when gold stood at
290-in other words it is worth
just as much as 29O cents in currep-
cy was worth then. This apprecia-
tion in its value is due alone to Re
publican honesty and integrity in in
sisting upon a return to the gold or
specie basis, and now that we are al.
most there, and with an absolute
certainty that greenbacks will reach
par before the time of resumption is
reached, and that practical resump.
tion will actually have been begun,
what folly it would be to repeal the
resumption act, and again begin
wild imitation? As it is, the "bottom''
has been reached, and the reaction
has set in. Business is steadily i'm
proving and prosperity is at hand.
10 not be influenced by the cry of
repeal the resumption act" but
press forward for an honest curren-
cy and a specie basis. If the re-
monetlzation of silver will hasten
the result, so much the better.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28
auction Safe
FURNITURE R E,
Household Goods Iec.

AT 10 A. NJ.
A T the Stewart Residence on Pros
IA meet Street Articles to be sold consist
ing IN part OF ParIor Set, Rocking Chairs Cane
Chairs, Marble Top Table, Lounges, Etages,
Dining Table. side Table Stands, Quantities
of China some fine pieces) Bed Room Sets,
Spring and Hair Mattresses, Reclining Chair,
Walnut Library, Mirrors, Carpets, Curtains
neG,i LAMPS Kitchen Furniture complete
sinks Cupboards. Tables, and other articles
too numerous TO mention; all to be sold with
ont reserve and to the highest bidder Par
Ties desiring to replenlsh or desiring TO begin
houseke keeping Will find 10 greatly to their nd
vantage TO be present Mt this sale
All purchases amounting to SO or less, TO
be paid for In Cash, over that sum Months
time ON approved paper. ut per cent Inter
est. Mrs. STEWART CARY.
EDGAR HALL. Auctioneer.
Ashtabula, Sent IL 1877 14ib
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28
OuRNEK YORK LETTER.

Tweed on the Stand-RaPsd Transit
VIII TrOubIes-The R1henen-Nhe
new Temperance MOVemeni-beech-
erss BOoks-A New savings BANK
Ow-U-zUa RnaEneaR
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28
BUSINESS

is still improving, and New York is feeling
good. The merchants are here and are
buying freely, for the farmers behind them
are selling and paying. The lookout is
encouraging. PIETRo.
New York, Sept. 26th, 1877.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28
PATENTS.

Z A. LEHMAN, Solicitor of
1 American and Foreign Patents, Wash
ingtOn, d. G. All business connected with
patents, whether before the Patent ONCE or
made unless Patent is secured. Send for a
circular t426U
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28
THE RIFLEMEN.

Now that the matches are all over, the
American teams are soothing their defeated
competitors by showing them the country.
To-day the Englishmen are up the sound,
on yachts, and it is proposed to continue
the excursion all the way up the New Eng
land coast, if the weather continues pleas
ant. The Englishmen say that they were
fairly beaten, and the Americans are the
best in every respect; but they are going
home to practice year, and will come back
to win the next time; and the Americans
respond, If you do beat us, we shall take it
as pleasantly as you do. The match has
been a very pleasant one; there has not
been particle of ill-feeling or bad blood,
from first to last; the arrangements were
perfect, and the utmost courtesy and con-
sideration has been shown on both sides.
THE NEW TEMPERANCE MOVEMENT.
The ninth ward association for the sup
preston of intemperance, held meeting
last night, and there were some speeches
made which will sound queerly to rigid
temperance people. Rev. DR.. Crosby. one
of the noted divines of the city, made
speech, in which he took the ground that
temperance men lost by undertaking too
much. In this crusade he proposed to di-
rect all his energies to the destruction of
the whiskey doggeries; he would not at
tempt to close the bars in the respectable
hotels, forthere the trade was in the hands
of respectable men, who kept it in some
sort of order. He was not going to assault
the lager beer sellers, nor the sellers of
light wines, for those beverages did not
craze the brain. ''If every whiskey shop
said the Dr., ''could be changed into Ia
ger beer saloon, we should have reason to
thank God; what we wanted to do was to
fight the villainous whiskey, and in max
ing that fight they would have the assist
ance of the lager beer drinkers, and that
great mass who drink light beverages, but |
are opposed to the use OF the soul and body |
destroying whiskey. He was entering up
on crusade against the 5000 grog-shops |
in the district; and Drs. Evans and Taylor, |
though dissenting, agreed to work with
him. DR.. Crosby says he has investigated |
the matter thoroughly, and while he don't |
believe in lager beer or wine drinking, he
is satisfied that the harm that results from
it, is next to nOthing-at all events it is so
L -
that temperance reformers are foolish for
it in the list of beverages to be
prohibited. Join the lager beer drinkers
10 the temperance influence and whiskey
can be driven out; undertake TO prohibit
Deer, and that influence joins whiskey and
nothing can be accomplished. DR.. Crosby's
views are received with favor by the tenn
perance party, and it is probable that his
will be adopted.
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28
Orwell Normal Institute
ORWELL. O.

Fall Term of this Institution will begin on
TUESDAY, AUG. 21st, 1877.
w. H. DODGE, A. B., Principal.
Mrs. w. H. DODGE, Preceptress.
Miss NJ. ALFREDNE BEDELL, Teacher of
Vocal and Instrumental Music.
Instruction will be given in all branches
usually taught in similar institution.
By careful attention to the interests of the
School, we intend to make it second to none
of its kind.
TUITION:
Common English Branches hes................S6.OO So. 90
Higher Mathematics and Languages 100
3m1440E
Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-09-28
REPUBLICAN DISTRICT TICKET

A. W. LUCKY.
The Cincinnati daily star. [volume] ([Cincinnati, Ohio]) 1875-1880, 1877-02-09
ElH.sIN srRIKEs..

4 The Chinese employees on the Union
Pacific are becoming unruly on account
OF the excessively cold weather. AT
Echo, on Tuesday morning Of last week,
the thermometer indicated q tempera-
ture OF only sixteen degrees below zero.
aud the blood OF the heather section
hands was fairly chilled IL not con-
gealed. The pigtailed fellows shiVered
through the long hours OF the night, and
in the morning, after warming their rice,
concluded that 1t was too cold TO work.
A welt regulated and properly con-
structed Chinaman can not work hard
enough to keep comfortably warm when
the thermometer is up to 80 degrees III
the shade, hence the hope OF keeping
warm ON Tuesday was out Of the ques-
ton. They rebelled, positively refusing
to work, whereupon the section boss
went in among them and tried to in-
crease the temperature OF their imported
blood.
Hethrew few or them around pretty
lively, when the almond-eyed chaps
unitedin an alliance OF offensive and de-
fensive. They besieged the boss, handled
him roughly, and as the Salt Lake Herald
says. inflicted some painful wounds. TIE
disturbance was finally quieted, and. at
last accounts the Sheriff OF Summit had
band OF Chinese in custody. Nothing
but the essence of good potatoes anu
barley can be fully relied upon in a long
contest with cold weather and snoW.-
lTUheyenne Leader.
The Cincinnati daily star. [volume] ([Cincinnati, Ohio]) 1875-1880, 1877-02-09
MARKETS BY TELEGRAPH,

WILMINGTON, Feb. 9.-Spirits turpentlne
steady at 45c.
INDIANAPOLIS. Feb. 9.-Hogs quiet bu
steady at 50 75a6 %.
CLEVELAND. Feb. 9-Petroleum unchanged;
demand good: Standard whlte 10 test, 27c.
MOBILE, Feb. 9.-Cotton quiet: Meddling
12lz, low middling 11ssSc, good ordinary iiAc.
SAVANNAH, Feb. 9.-Cotton quiet: Midding
1880, low middling Ike. good ordinary liz G
EAST LIBERTY. Feb. 9.-hogs: Yonkers,
SO 40a6 81. Pniladetphias, STAT 4u. sheep, $4a6
CHARLESTON. S. c.. Feb. 9.-Cotton steadier:
Middling Rxc, low midaling l22Sc, 5000 ordIn-
ary 12c.
BOSTON. Feb. 9.-Flour: Wisconsin extra.
Sc ~. Corn firm. Oas: No. / white, 59a6l C
No. white and No. mixed, 52a53c; rejected
42a46e. - ..
NASHVILLE. Feb. 9-Flour: Fancy $s SO
choice family 81 so, extra family 81 00, family
$6 10. Whisky: Robertson County 81 50a3 0O,
Lincoln County II 75a3, Bourbon 81 75a5 so.
oswEGo. Feb. 9.-Flour unchanged. Wheat
steady: No. Milwaukee,, 81 90; No red W a
bash, 81 90; Nos white 8liehigan, 81 81. extra
do, 81 6S. Corn steady at &c. Barley dull: No
2 Canada, 9!c. uanf tl
MEMPHIS Feb. 9-Fleur quiet: choice fam
Ily. IS 25as go Corn inactive at 53a56c in
store. Oats quiet but firm at 40a45c in store
Lard firm at i2aI3c. Bulk meats quiet az 74a
9ka0Ac. Bagglng quiet ut 12al2kc.
LOUISVILLE. Feb. 9-Flour firm and un-
changed Wheat steady: Rel 81 50, amber
81 45, white 81 5U. Corn hrm at 44c. Rye firmer
at SUc. Oats quiet: white 42e, m xe s9c. Pork
demand and holders firm 1t 7kasysas9sc. Ba-
con scarce and firm: clear rib sid l0xa1Dkc,
Lard Hrm and unchanged. WHISKY lirmer az
81 W. bagging steady and irm at II 5sc.
The Cincinnati daily star. [volume] ([Cincinnati, Ohio]) 1875-1880, 1877-02-09
CINCINNATI DAILY MARKET.
CINCINNATI, Feb. SAP. M


+ FLOUR-The offerings are moderate and
there is firm feeling but the demand is rather
light and no material change in prices. We
quote fancy 81 25aS 00, family $6 75a7, and
sales Of the latter at the outside figure to-day.
Extra $6 25a6 SO, superfne $5 50a5 Is per brL
Low grades are worth 81 50a5, and some sold
to-day at 81 rs. Spring wheat -four is ranging
$6 4Oaj 90, and choice Minnesota held at 81 per
brl. Rye flour is quoted "a 50a4 10, and buck
wheat So 5OaT 81 as to quality.
CORN-Market quiet and easy. Mixed ear
Is quoted 4Oa4lc per bu, but 42r is asked on
track. Shelled is held at 42a4ic for prime on
track, and at 44c per bu in elevator for No. 2.
OATS-The market is firm, mainly on ac-
count of the light offerings, the demand being
merely local. Good to prime lots are worth 33
a37c for mixed, and 35aS9c for white. Choice
white held at 4la42c per bu Inferior mixed
ouoted 2Sa31c per Du, and not wanted.
BARLEY-There is hardly enough doing to
establish reliable quotations. We quote fall rs
aS5c for good to prime, and inferior at Soc per
bu, Spring Offering at 40a50c for common, and
6Oa65c for good to prime. Choice canada is
helu up to 9oca$l per bu, and very little on the
marseJ.
much doing. Good to choice white is worth
Rot is quoted 81 45al 80 for prime to choice,
81 38a1 43 for fair to good and 81 3Ua1 IS FOR in
ferior, per bu. Hill would sel for as muen as
white, but no offerings.
RYE-There is a quiet market and moderate
offerings and demand at 79aS0c per bu for No.
2 in elevator, and 75a76c for goou e. prime on
track. Inferior grades are duh anu nominal
BULK MEATS-I he market is steady, but
dem nd moderate. Shoulders are quoted SIC
rib sides S.6jaS%c, and clear side, held at Sc
per Id, all loose. Packed arc held &c more
than loose for spot.