The New York herald., 1877-11-23
was for Conan to watsona A That is the way

was for Conan TO watsona A. That is the way
took It.
Q. Besides the house which was built for Connolly
do you know Of anything else peng furnished 10 OH
erable work did for Tweed, amounting probably TO
Sl00 900 or $3.50 000 l may have done work on
Tweeds order tor clerks attaches but was SO in
significant that don't remember the names.
Q. You destroyed all your books IN 1871; how did
you happen TO do thatf A. Yes, SIR was advised TO
do so, for al tho time o: the threatened Have
meyer suit
q Who advised your A. Mr. Tweed and he told
me that Potter B. sweeny said II was best 10 do So
q Alderman Lewis has made calculation which
results as iollows:You received on account OF the
SsSus seuI n 0sa and ro@ the city
1904 023 40. and the amount which you received from
the special audit and which passed tnrouRn Tue
Of about SO soc, ,000 Do you tnnk hrst and last that
you received about that amountf A. About 600 ooo
think, may have passed through my hands cannot
calculate what my goods and services were iairly
WORTH paid one drm nearly $500 600
against you, has theres A. Yes SIR in 1871 AND il
taken TO the Court OF Appeals aud decided IN my
favor.
O. When was tho last thing you know OF in civil
sui, against your A. About TWO years ago my counsel
received notice OF a SUIT.
q Was there any lis pendens against your property.
A No SIR
Q. What real estate did you have in 1877 A. Seven
lots in Twenty-thrd street. between seventh ana
Eighth avenues stable III Forty ninth street, three
lots on Sixty-nnth street, some lots al ll6tn street
and Madison avenue ana some some lots in Morrisania;
q What did you do with the Twenty-third street
property A. Sold IL 10 Mr.. McGraw IN september
1871; took mortgage and sold that 70 one Henry
Well Tor SIS, 900; the Forty-ninth street property
sold AT the same time to gentleman named Curtis,
about $4,000 70 Mr. Porter subject TO mortgage OF
$4,000 got about $50 900 out OF that property the
Morsania properly went 10 my father aud he sold u
somebody; had also one-third interest In piece
OF property AZ the foot OF Twentysixth street, East
River, that sold 70 my father; The Harlem property
sold TO Mr. Brennan for 81 1000
u. Did you not own a house on Filth avenuer A.
did; gave II 70 my wife before we were married, In
1869, and she afIerward sold IT,
ISGERsoLL's PROPERTY.
Alderman Cowing then questioned the witness
about mis- property and his intentions with respect to
q. Did you ever hold any office under the city
county government except that Of Court House Com
o. At the time you were adding this sixty-fve per
cent dd you have any just appreciation Of the amount
y Yorns tsf'00 a. RTsP'i %s son Know e ana county N
Q. Had you determined III your own mind Just how
much would leave TO The taxpayers and when you
would stop taking sxty.nye per cent exIras A. No.
O II 1t had not been discovered do you think 1t
would be going today-lha the city would not stop
Q You had not made up your mind At any point of
time when you would desist or stops A. No., sir;
certain amount Of work 10 be done all The
time and was doing it (Smiles)
@ II l understand your testimony correctly you
the means OF detrauding The city out oil about
So 900, 000f A. latter pAuse)-lndirectly; yes. SIR
O. Have you returned any oi its A. No, sir
u.
portion oil ilf A. No, SIR.
q. Arc you q man OF any meanss A. (nonchalantlyl-
Oh, have some; yes, Sir.
q. How much do you consider yourself WORTH A.
could not state, because my property is involved.
II sold ou, to-day would not DO worth cont
but If was let alone 1t might DC worth 500 000
Q. Is II your intention TO return TO tho city and
county OF New York any porton OF the money you
have taken from them thus fraudulenty? A. Well,
the bulk OF those moneys went elsewhere; you
have got 5000. 900 down TO me there; l am satis-
ned at least S4 600 900 OF 1t went elsewhere
n M n ny at
out OF the amount2 A Yes; good deal more
Q. Iyou returned TO the city the $loo 600 you are
worth you would make amends TO the city for what
you have fraudulentiy taken from It; would your A.
No, sir.
Q. Arc you willing TO turn over what you have GOT
10 the city, far you cam order that II may be
remunerated Tor what you have unjusty taken from ts
Here Mr. Ingersol thrust his lett hand deeper into
his trousers pocket and gazed very intenty straight
before him tor at least minute IN dead silence.
sght-very slRht-hush sunused his cheeks aud he
finally sm,ied in somewhat embarrassed way and re-
Piled, "wel, don't want to answer any sucn ques-
t,on as that"
Q. II is a fair question, is 1t not? A. No; don't
o WE'LL is it not fairY In strict morals and justice
where would there be any uniairness or injustice IN
handing buck to the city what you have fraudulenty
taken from the cltlzens
did not seem at a ashamed or disconnected; he was
simply AT loss what to say Alter studying tho fres-
Goes the ceiling tor few moments over his pnce
he said:-"We you put Il on the ground that the
whole OF 1t is an entire fraud"
O. But you say that you have actually defrauded
the city out OF more than you now worth. " hat
the injustice of your returning TO the city what
you have lctt2 That Is object Of this nvestga-
tommy associates suggest-to get back Tor the city
oil that we can of what the citizens have been de-
frauded out Of Now, where's the injusticeP A.
can't answer that question.
q What is the reason Is the question not plain
oneS IA long pause Don't you understand the
question A. The question is whether have any In
tention OF offering III
q Yes, SIR A. No.
O. You don't intend then to make any restoration
IN your power tor what you have taken from the ctyS
A. We'll, am mixed up In suits aud one thing and
another now and don't want to talk on It.
O Well, are you willing to assign to the city all
your right title and interest IN everything yop
to-day and let the city take the responsibility or
the suitsS A. very coolly, after pause) No; dont
think am.
Q. Well, why nots
PoRCIBLE REASON
THIS question seemed - strike The witness as some
thing quite absurd. "he pupils Of HIS eyes dated
with innocent surprise and wonder, and he removed
his lett hand from its pocket and casped II In the other
IN uch TO say "Did you evers" ana A. last gazed
serenely upon his nterrogator aud replied, "Wel,
ia further questions upon the subject OF restitution,
ana Mr.. CowIng passed on 10 other topics. Witness
said he had told about all the frauds he knew
OF; there was money raised III 1870 to send to
Albany in connection with the passage OF the
charter Being asked whether no could furnish
ciew frauds which had not yet been divulged, ho
said NO. SIR; 1 think am pretty well siited !" he
testified that he has no money or property in tho
hands Of any TO be neid trust lor him d.
discovered he was worth 200 or 100000.
=. Was that the most you had been worth at any
since you commenced dealings with the city and
county OF New York; A. Yes, sir.
q And you say this has dwindled down 10
500, ,000Y A. can't exactly say what the amount is.
It invested in various concerns; they may not
realize 81; was Interested In one concern IN which
lost $500 000 the Heath Smith Manufacturing Com
pany | lost 500, 900 In Chicago In a life insurance
company, and owed the Tenth National Bank large
amount Of money.
Q Is that the amount they are suing lor nowf A.
No, sir; have paid them; got II on securities, and
they kept calling and calling, and 80 sold them at
great loss; | lost elsewhere; ! had a good deal OF
money owing me; got great deal Of money from
my father and his partner, and suppose owed the
bank $780, 600 $500, 900 at time; got 1t my
paper securities and had 10 pay II ALL then ire
fecting) on, yesl that's another 100000; bought
200 shares Of Hannibal and ST. Joseph 10
and sold it at 90, alter carrying II long
time; ] had q onethird interest in a piece
OF real estate, corner oil l47th street, that took
for a debt; II would rot bring the mortgages and
three or years back taxes on II; would gve
dollar for III that Is all tho real estate own; all
the OF my property Is IN claims against individ-
uas: have no stocks or bonds.
Mr. Cole then put a few question to witness. O.
hat does your present income consist ot2 A. NV