The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1877-09-30

impossible to get the tnlnR IN unless tney paid
for it: that the tax levy was then overloaded. and
the Republicans. were about making q party
question OF it-which they afterward did. He
to give fifteen per cent. on Whatever amount we
could get through At the time OF that agree
100000. That sum was put into n pool along
with the other money to help through the pas
ag9 Of the s tax ,sJ ley s snd tbs was
the fifteen per cent. on the amount included in
the tax levy That remained that way until the
and ] had n settlement one day. There had
hecn good dcal of business transnctions be-
tween us. had borrowed good dcnl OF him
two or three hundred thousand dollars. We
had settlement at my house. and cnn fix the
date ny the iae that was ,nd, ,he day oI ms rst
settlement he allowed mo that sll2. 800 as money
he paid to me to use for MS purposes: hut since
Connecticut for that same amount. ana tho suit
Is now pending.
Q.-And this was part OF tho rnonoy obtained
by him from the Tenth National Bank by tho
deposit Of those Court House bills as collatCra2
A.-So he informed me.
COL. JIM FISK.
C.-Who wore the directors ~ the bank nj
that timc2 Al was cne. Mr.. James Fisk was
ono A. Oakley Hall was one. md Connolly was
one, and Ingersoll was one. l think. Wo were
o.-Did The directors. or any Of them. except
| you and Ingersoll. know that the money. or part
IL wfs soTToyHfb n ST the 6nk nj Tamai
| knew I think he nadc the loan do not
think II was done by the directors. but by him
Q.-why do You think he knew the purpose Of
! the Loan 4 Dtuu-p he TALKED with mo about
| it itfreuuentlv after il happened.
| Q.-Nohody clsc except you and Ingersoll and
| Palmer knew about II Nobody connected with
| the hnnk AIR. Sweeny knew about it, and
| Mr.. Connolly.
.Q,-,was any Of the money borrowed from the
| legitimate purposes of tho city Al was not
member OF the commission. and do not know
how they spent their money.
| Q-Nho was Comptroller NJ thattime? Ar.
! T. Connolly.
Q-Do YOU know whether any.of that money
| which was borrowed by Ingersoll from tho
| Tonth National Bnnk WAS ever covered into tho
| treasury Of the city of Now York Mr.. Tweed
stared blankly at the 9ucstioncrl What mean
| now. to make il an Indebtedness of the city. it
must have gone into the treasury Of the city.
| do you know, as point OF fact whether any of
| Il Went into the city or county treasury iStil
| Mr.. Tweed seemed absolutely incapable OF
graspng the astounding proposition Of n possi-
hilty that Ingcrsoll might have put ANYTHING
| into the treasury. instead OF always taking out
H. looked puzzled whispered with his counsel
! and Mr.. Cole had to frame his question again !
] mean to say this: lngers0ll got the money
from the h9nk. and there were two things he
| 10 his own personal uses. and the other would
bc to pay II over 10 the Comptroller of the city.
aprarcnt. idca.i-Oh Tho Commissioners
| never paid any money over 10 the ComutrOllnr.
,Q.-.fhc law allowed thcm t, ssxpeni money
them e. eNpena money directly,
Q.-Ihc money they expended in Albany GER
tainly came from tho commission Ayes.
Q.-Do you know whether any OF that money
Of the Court Honsc or any other governmental
purpose! Al do not.
THE SUIT AGAINST TOM CONAN.
Q.-There Is n suit now pending. brought by
the people against Thomas Conan. 1t is an a.
| allowing fraudulent bills to be paid Do you
know any,hing about that case =, Al do.
have ;s d9 you d,y thInE III from G s
tion in that matter? Al do.
Q,-Do you think that you cnn furnish the
| testimony which will enable the city to succeed
in that suit ? Al do.
Ho you Trndy g do so' AmISn ~
| no further, having, h. said. been instructed by
the counsel for the people not to bring out the
q tleading from lcgal-looking document
Tn. People ast ODonncl.' This is an action
FOR s35Oo00 for furnishing fraudulent bills to
Mr. Townsend-what was tho amount in the
other cascY
Mr. Coe-The amount in the Conan case was
siOO.O 600.
u.-Do you know anything about this action
IN the matter OF the people against ODonnell 2
Q.-Do you think that the people can win in
this action against O'Donnellf Al think they
Q-Do you think you have in your possess ion
facts which Will enable them e. DO so; Al
either have myself or can furnish them.
| Q.-Are you willing 10 testify yourself and
| give such information rs will enable tho people
To- Obtain other witnesses to prosecute that suit
Mr.. Cole-For the same reason before stated
in referring 10 the Conan suit. do not pro-
pose T. prosecute my Inquiries amy further in
Q.-In tho statement that Won made to the
| Attorney General did you profrer TO give evi-
dence yourself and Ia furnish the other neccs-
sary witnesses i'll any OF III" cases concerning
which nave sNainined ycu this morninsf A.
| the Nelson ease, and tho Rogers case, and have
EXPRESSED my willingness 10 be "Nnmincd iI1
| knew anything: hut those wcrc the only ones
knew Of AT the time. the only ones that occurred
| to my mind for special mention.
Odd you indicate TO the Attorney General
what your Information would hef Al have
not read the paper since tIlit TIM and cann9
and soc me in regard 20 H. but he did not come
Mr.. Peckham came 70 Sc me in regard 10 the
case. and | went much further INTO tho cases
than have here. or than could in my state
ment | would state that the day after Mr.
Sweeny's arrival. or return, he published q care
saying he had nothing to settle. and immediately
after that he did settl? for tho amount agreed
upon between him and the proSecuti on and
am satisfied that II had heon used as a witness
in the case according to the information gave
to the Attorney General, no such settlement
would have been made for any such amount
Odd the Attorney General have the state
meptt in his hands qt that timSy A.E,lio did; +,
not return it until about week after.
MIR. T9wnsend l7ollo voro Three days. Wit
Odd you in that declaration state that Pc
ter Il. Swecny was the one actually couccrnct
in the Ring. and not James? Al stated al
that have here OF the points 10 which haN,
referred hcr- ana fully rs "ahorately is hay,
stated them here, concerning tho Ring.
BY Alderman CowuE-Is everything vol
know concerning those frauds contained il
that statement A.-Evervthng To wEich nl
mind WIS called. Soma Things hHvo come NJ
since-the Brooklyn Bridge matter. for in
stance. whi did not occur TO mo al the tim'
TINT sintcWcnt was par d.
Mr.. TONnscni-Ihc siatnp' Mt was drawn III
by me- Mr.. Tweed gave sum Information ~
he could give nj the time. and thcre are subject,
which have lecn overlooked. but he dlst.nril'
offered 20 give any information required thu
WAS within his ability, on ANYTHING In which hi
!, attention would bo callel-and you SEQ that L,
has done 81 before You.
Tug sWEFNY CoNpRoMIsT.
Alderman COwing asked IL tho stntor1en
would he furnished Ia tho committee hy IA
witness hefur" the committee were through with
him. Mr.. Tweed replied thai. ~ soon ms tn
committee announced - him that their own
course of intcrroEatOrirS W.~ completed. b.
would offer the statement, and then he al thri
disposal 10 reply tu any further questions base.
upon the statement which they ml.sht desire II
ask. lie also Rvcrrod lhnt thcrn WAS no doul
whatever in his mind that e. the Swecny pco
| pie" thought he was to be- used rs uwitncss IL
, fhn cn ~ against p,fpr II SWppnV and th.rofo