Ashtabula telegraph. (Ashtabula, Ohio) 1874-1880, 1877-01-05

q iiaiu Went thruugh: and shnuld ju6se thai
a e-e We about the same nulnh her each "a the
! cars ahead that there wa in our car id not
60 into Tie car behind our do net thnk went
through the sm0kins ca. / Iced very connaeni
that our car, the lpalatine Wa nexi 10 The last
car. The car next EifNsrd Of ours Wa q sleeper,
and then, a. l remember IL, the drawingIOom car
] now think l must have gone through the snok
ing car. fur ! think went through or 8 cars
but did not especially notice who were in Them
or their number. BarftlO-e which passed through
think had about the ssnlr numier as our uwn
car. since The accidenI have had conversation
with the seaF brakeman, but not IN reaFd 70 tne
number of paSsenRsrs have no definite idea as
Ia The number uf children on the train. do nO'
fhin:. know the names Of he passengers in my
there wrre none lust who were in the Palaiine.
have ITO re olleciion Df anything that occurred amer
We struck uuiil Twas helped npthe Stair, Though
NV wife tells me Of hins,S said. My wise Is con
s'dera Hy more IL juFed than sm. My estimate ot
the whole nun-beT 1T p4$sesIcers on the train is
thai tie yea- certainly 2a. juuging from our car
"r- sherman; - lNid you have your attentipn
Answer: did not To Mr. Shsrm n: have
hCen particularly in the iIabitof estimating the
numbers ON cars. [ went through the cars. tas
above -tsied, jn-t before we len Erie did not
do not know snything about the number Of
EMPLOYEES on the train -
Mr.. Swtfi's testimony, here closed; and the jury
2, 1917, to meet a. the came place
Tuesdays Proceedings.
Jury met on Tuesday. Jan. I'd, in the
forenoon, pursuant to adjournment, and
called to order.
Robert Mcintyre called and sworn, anC
depOsed as follows: I reside in Ashtabuls
my age is 25 the Goth of last November
Am conductor on the Franklin Division Of
Lake Shore Road; have been in the EN-.
piOyment for years as conductor and
brakeERSn- Twas at the scene Of the aeci
dent last Friday night. I stood st the win
dow Of the American House at about z: 80,
or thereabouLs. that evening. | saw the
engine stop on this side Of the bridge, and
my impression Was that she was stuck in
the snow. thought would go down and
see what the trouble was, and | walked
over to the depot; just as got in front of
the telegraph office / heard some one say a
train had run off the bridge, and started
right down; and Ionly passed two or three
so far as recolIect between the depot and
bridge; one Of these was Mr.. Croft and the
othsr Mr.. Porter, and don't know VINO
else. / went right down the steps with Mr..
Porter, and under the abutment. ! went
to the north side Of the tram and he vent
on the south side: after got on the wreck
the first man ! saw, 50 far Is ! Eecoilect,
was 41Es lhCCus L u
the bridge building. When | first went
down there, got on the tender Of the 10.
comotiVe that was down, and from there |
got over on q baggage or express car, l
think. This first car was partly on its side.
/ walked along on the lower side; it was
coach or smoking car. and was not q
sleeper: know it was quite steep, for
had to hang on to the upper edge to keep
r IL NJ paa1 frrT
ing to get out man whom | thought to be
the conductor; and saw lady on the
end Of one of the cars which had caught
fire, with one of the timbeFs lying across
her below the knee, and | tried to get her
out, but could not, / recollect two cars ly-
ing almost side by side; and there was one
which lay with the end up river, north and
south, and the hind car, sleeping car, lay
with the hind truck upon the bank on the
east side, and the other end down the Fiv-
er. don't remember where any of the 9TH
er passenger cars were, except the one
which lay 10 tine middle of the river. /
think the cars in the middle of the train
were nearly smashed 10 pieces. This lady
whom l saw. and spoke Oft got my back
against something and tried TO shove the
timber off from her. but could not, because
it was so heavy. Ibid not notice that
there was anything on top of the baggage
ears; did not notice that any of the cars
were piled on each other, except that !
think that one end of oas lay on top of an
other The debris seemed To RIi up between
the abutments in some places ten or fifteen
feet, before the fire started. When got
there first noticed fire in the rear of one
Of the two cars which lay side by side near
ar the west end than the middle: the next
fire that / noticed was further towards the
s8st abutment-it was almost no time at
8ll before | noticed the second fire, though
it was only just started at that time. did
not notice any fire around the locomotive
1t that time. After got there, it didn't
seem that it WAS more than 10 or Is min
ltes before all vas iR fame, though have
no way of knowing how long it was. was
up only once from the time got there un-
ii all was burned up, 1t was probably 10
o'clock when ! left the last time, though
lon't know exactly. When the last person
was taken out alive, so far A. know, was
lfter the whole train was 10 flames, and he
,ame out from somewhere u.deF the en-
zine; this must have been three-quarters
If an hour after the fire started, and after |
irst got there. | came up the hill once
md went back. did not See any efforts
made by any persons to put out the fire.
They usually Keep the buckets on each en-
zine, and / went TO the engine to try to
ret a bucket. l don't know Why there was
10 water put on the fire. After trying to
ret out this lady whom spoke of-from
,ither the second or third car from the rear,
think-I started back toward the rear
nd of the train. and saw another lady,
N top of a car, with nothing on but her
light-dress: she was calling to man on
he same car to help her; this ladyss name,
S | afterwards learned, was Mrs. Bradley, |
think If there could have been water pnt |
N the fire when / first got there, it could |
ave been put out, but could not tell how |
Sng afterward it could have been put out |
y water, though it might have been 5 or |
0 minutes; it seemed almost no time at |
II, as l had just got this lady out and |
rent back to try and get out her child, and |
hen every thing seemed to be all in flames. |
When | went back to try to get out the |
hid, l saw man trying to crawl out the |
7indOw, think, on the second car, which /
he was in. l was not on the car, but was
own among the wreck of the bridge. The |
nan whom | saw coming ont of the car
through the window, pulled out through |
be window.
To Mr.. Sherman: l don't know how
lany persons were there before the wreck
7as all in flames.
l saw no persons there at that time ex- I
ept Mr.. Porter, Mr.. Reed, the conductor.
nd the news boy of the train-no other
ersons whom l know-but think there
'ere some cripples just crawling out from
he train What means ware tbara to |
ut opt the fire before it became all in
olxed:" Nose that know Of" "Do
ou mean to Re,R9RpcSerstood that You saw
ne train stopping on uRe bridge% Il saw
er coming round ths curve below the
ridge. and saw the engine; didn't know
lere was more than one engine on the
.Hin; | saw this engine stop just this side
the bridge. do you know whether the
al halted or was stopped on the bridge
fore the bridge fell?" '.No sir" ''What
nd Of a night was it as to storm and
indT at was storming very hard. The
ind was blowing very hard, but did not
now in what direction" s'Have you the
cans of knowing how many persons were
wed from the wreck? p Il have not. Be-
re the wueck burned up, there were a
-eat many PerSOus there; when first got
lere saw only those persons whom l have
amed. When the train was beyond hope
ON the flames, there were at the scene,
persons able to help, if there had been
ater, so far as can judge, not over 10 orr
J. Withinthe first 20 or 80 minutes
w lots of people standing on the abut-
ents, who did not go down-perhaps 20
: 80; within the thirty minutes after the
III, should say there were 25 or 80, or