New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1877-09-22


Woodward attended to that; am pretty certsn ne ulu
and think the rest AR. Ingers1 done know OF any
Mr. Woodward. may b. wrong. bat doat tnink am.
That they ali paid for the leases horo j. no DOUBT
T. positive in my mind, but VINO dii the Wofk' uo
Q.-As to the stockwell lease which you have men
toned, YOU remember any hng eon'ernIng WV,
pecialyi Al DO not especially That "a on the corner
Q.-Yon know there was money paid for that lease
o-You don't snow to whoml Al think to Wood
ODD yon snare the money for that particular Lease
Al presume did; pnywnCres, where there Wa ,py
money pad. Isharcl N i, II knew anything aDou 'uo
matter at all llAughterl
ALDERMAN CowiNG's TEST OF TwEEps MEMORY
Q.-CBy Alderman Cowingl-fIow is your memory AZ
h day IA 10 events which took place Ia your ne ID
1869 or 1901 h.-Prrtty good
Q-Is It any better than it was five years sgo-your
memory and recollection Att il not "a good
o-Yoir tcsti nony five years II 10 had been gwen
would have be more likely 10 be true than now A
a. What IS yoIlr iudgnentf Al think not think
what testify 70 know just as positively s' Il 'o" u
0.EWerc Won examined as a witness in q matter before
tns Senate in ST. in whcl senator Wood came up 'or
iuvcstg1tonl Al think wa. ., 7
Do y0u remember whether you were o' hot' Al
o-W,s this question asked Of Won that occasion
ado understand yon 10 say that You ae huoM W .
iud renee being o. ought TO b. 90 90 ~ r senator
Do Won remember that question Al u"h ro"'"'oo'
Do Won remember similar questions being asked
: IT.. u
o.-itisa statement FROM it, Did YOU answer those
questions Ia the ueSauVeI Al dont EMO" "heiher
iid or n0t INT Is .nrre, presume did
or sou male that answer 1t was falsei At was
o.-You testified then under oathi Al believe 80.
Q.-Was th.s question asked you: " DO you AnoN A.
Q-Tas this question asked you regarding the Charter
o. $40: Dill You make any effort 10 secure the Ps-
sage of that bin f. and did you answer as follows:
don't reco lcct mat did; re- was my irena an Pio-
O.-Mr. Barber do you remember the question being
asked nd the answer 4 Il do not don, remember
r,ent b,fore thai committee AID it vas mlnly true
OH you made that answer, was 1t tfuof A.-No'
o." Was he ever oployel by Won anybody else to
vonr knowlcdgel" You aa swerc1 that be never was
u IF vor, made In was u trlcl Al was not true
6-Wa- tli- q,i.stiou asked you DO yOu know OF
@ 80 - ,,sJ :, sc~ure Inc ina nee ~ any uienl-
ben Of e Legislature Tor measures - Oy that measure
5ne@ 1 i ,,or c c5S. doh Know and have
moi boon tod EXCEPT from newspaper reports or casual
c,unot answer generally" Al that was stated ID the
GHWt~ ittriel A.-So. Let me safe right here
" ZEN iha. examination took place, iEe uni rStahths
wa that mems families md themselves shoad De pro
and nh d'I Ny testimony CIV ON that occd''ph
n Cc,1l nc. with IN. areeuent made with ,les' eo
pa iiost of my testimony ON i1ai occasion was lase
10 w-s 10 save men aud q. tlnh' s.. .,, 81,
Q-Whcn were You hrst apru>ed net You womb De
tue Board ~ Adcineui A short ZINE alier '-io
g5 yon any hand Whatever in having this inyes-
tigit,n -tafted3 A.-Notiing i'm no way, manuer OF
shape Twas opposed - u then' hu aii now, an
ha,e not answered questions no" because "atel To-
O-Iiad Won been advised hat your testimony given
here il, totantally OWING 20 tIe crcunsi incrs Thcl
surround rou. vol ntaYi Al nave NOT been advised
OEy.. here 70 committee which came here from the
Stlc gafe tIe -prIug Oi TN. year Tor ile purpose
OH ufc lllu@ or asking yon questions IN roerenc" to
f..r 400 |
Odd y0u refuse iGen 20 be examined - witness
A. d-r,lnrd go De examined.
in 10 compel You fJ do 90! A.Y So sir AMI was further
advised - he AuouryD not 10 answer INC qdes
Q.-IIow dd Won understand This committee to be al
frsett rom tHt Wi'1 i'tr,s, 20 'ne P'Erl % I"np ,
90 appeal uc supreme Court Judge and II c'nning
o-Bsiie already in confinement. what other or more
severe ngli-hmcnt d suppO5e THIS committce could
give yout A.-Cl1scr confinement; keeping my friends
Q-Dj ou previous 10 the time the Senate Committee
ca e mere write iap, whic Is called NJ coniessioni
Q.-Is the testimony when you have given here sub
sttuuauy the me a5 tnat statement thus iaff Al
e. rg Jtec when are throusn win me- IN order that
yoG may compare -ie two.
TESTIMONY UNDER CONFUSION.
O-When you first 10 tie conclusion appear
and give testimony voun,arii,i A.-Afi.r the fist
me ling o. t,s committeeman voluntarily; have ue'ep
given O.. VOLUNTARILY
Do you consider YOU giving it here under
i.p'int Mr. Gle Interrupted by addressing 10 Mr.
Gowns t.ie question " D1nt you consider We have
Al .ernan Conug.-On. yes; but 1t ia a question
vbcth'r we can compel aim 20 testify. think you nave
tho right 90 compel nIm 10 com here
3lr. Twcel-Does4't one follow the oheri Doesn't
the rcht BRING mc here mean the rig1t TO make me
O-We understand You TO say that personally you
have never paid any money 10 Senator Noo,un A.
O-lIaye y6u ever been present when any money was
rlil 10 MINT Al positively staed tGat was not.
O-And all tIe knowledge Won nave is rom III erences
conversation had with aim and Winso and other par
O-Is your knowledge based almost exclusively
ku0gl-d-e gained from Win'ow A.-And what hr.
Woolu stated to mc-tdt 10 was all rghi-when ASKED
Odd you ask the other Senators If it was "a right
O-Tas It your custom 10 visit them afterwards ana
as fhaIu If ia were satisfied! An It 10 visit ihcm,
but ! ASKED Ih,m when met them casually. made
very few calls upon Senators.
club suowu as the Amerlcus Cubf A-Ies sir: long be
fore NY tue; 10 organized IN o. thinh Tor social
lurposc- not politics; had politicians Of all sides
there TANK Oi tne members held sntcuIes under
tue q ty Government.
Vow. Mr. Tweed. understand you to say that the
testimony YOU gave before inc Senate Committee
Q-AnI understand you to say that the testimony
yoH nave gwen before TINS committee a. to having
bsibei NOSE Senators j, tlusi Al do say so:
sl- weed refused under Instructions II is very
nu-l idea tllt member Uf the committee should not
know how GOT here. supposed 1t VAS the action OF
the committee ~ whole, An not tie individual mem
b,rs am sorry The necessity arises that should in
form the committee how was brought hereeXceedlngy
sorry. l. places IN position as though was vol
mlcrr witness, and wanted 90 come here Now, II the
committee Will agree witD Alderman CUwing that shall
NOT nave 10 answer any more questions, and not be
brought here again, vii say amen win all my soul.
think It J., hardly far To put me III the position OF
being q wiling witness
NJ Cole-Well. ~. Tweed, snail give you a complete
list Of the Tamuany Hall atom, and want you to
refresh yOur with regard 60 every man upon H.
and 10 tell rs the next time a out IL.
Mr. TweedI shall do So unes alter have consulted
counsel ind the suggestions OF Alderman COwng
fDrrbie and then snail decline 10 answer
Mr. Cole-li Won do I snail place you in contempt.
Mr. Tweed-Tnen shall place my self properly on the