The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1877-09-19
The Cost OF the Erie LEGISLATION.

The Cost OF the fric Legislation.
Alderman Cowing said that he thought that
hcarsay evidence was not properly admissible.
Mr. Cole argued that strict rules OF evidence
should not he held to apply in this investigation.
which was not a trial. but merely n search for
Information upon which might be based a trial
in which the laws OF evidence would properly
be applied.
Alderman Cowing was of the opinion that a
regard for the sanctty of private reputation
should operate to prevent any statements being
introduced which were not based upon the
witnesses personal knowledge, as. otherwise.
the names OF honest men might hc unjustly
smirchcd. After n long discussion on this
point. which seemed TO lead 10 nothing definite
either way. Mr.. Cole resumed
O.-Wrh regard to Charles g. Cornell. Mr.
Tweed do YOU know Of amy money having been
Der Of the board OF Aldermen. 20 effect his ap-
Iointment election. or conurmatlon-as the
case may have bcen-as Strcct Commissioner
Any connection with Charles q. Cornell was
NJ the most confidential nature | was his
DEPUTY during his full tine. md am as cont;
one dollar for his confirmation.
Like questions were put an like answers
and thcn tue city Chambcr,ainship WIS taken
NJ. and tn witness said that ne had heard that
s6ouuO was pad for the Confirmation oi the ap;
heard that money Was used for the cuniirma-
ton OF Mr.. Platt. President Of the Artisans
Mr. Cole trcninel-" VIII he t.r how much il
cost Tor the passage by the Legislature Of the
Fri" Classification hill, the bill lcsalizne Erie's
fraudulent stock. aud the act iegalizing the
\ W lork Central s'rip.an how and 10 whom
IN. money WIZ, paidt'
Nj. Iwe,d-lf YOU will separate those ques-
tons. viii try 90 answer them.
Mr. cole. reading: win he say whether or
not man who is now high up in the councils 81
Tninmany Han did not negotiate for the passage
OF the Nrw York Central's bill =
Mr.. Tweed-ln regard g. that will say that
tItalt
otpcr hail. hut what So" in the papers | don't
know who II has reference to; and SO cannot
answer tho question iniclligcn;ly.
DO you know II this allusion means Mr..
Q-Do you know il be, had anything to do
with that matter. Al do not know any.h ng
about It, do not know who is :. Ugh up" in
Tammanv Hall. and who is not. don't bother
nlys"li about politics. as never expect to vote
Mr. Townsend expressed to the committee the
hope that his client would be Afforded an oppor-
tunity, before leaving the stand, u show July
what his means were. how they had been dis
posed IT. and TO so at rest the slanderous state
monts made by certain persons 1s to his squan-
dcrins money il large sums upon certain
lowed. Mr.. Tweed broke forth; Some gentle
man behind me says N 4 tone that smppos is
ready g. answer anything about him,
Q.-Do you know anything about him Al
Do not never had anything 10 do with him in
Mr.. Cole suggested that he should my no
further attention 10 the lobby. And then"
Tweed retorted. they'll go and say that they
came hero and mentioned it ia my ear and
paid no attention. ana don't propose 70 have It
Q-Do you know what connection James
Watson, HAD with Joan Kelly Ale was
Did Kelly appoint him? Al presume
he did. Mr. Kelly had all his own appoint
monis, and James Watson was appointed under
O-was Watson in that Office before Kelly
came in? Al don't know.
Q.-Do you know ANYTHING about the connec-
ton irtwccn Watson and Kelly Al do not
except that they were very friendly.
Qnno yom know an any s, n1aH, tie b,s ID
were any frauds concerning their collection. or
whether any money was used 10 induce their
objection. qr ANY other frauds connected with
thnmy Al mcnt .Onrd AZ the last cNHm mat lon
that did not. either regarding Mr.. Kelly. Mr..
Brennan or Mr.. Lynch. and reply the same
Q;--.What do YOU mean by saying that Watson
and kry wsrr iriendiyI THAT they, were
of kclly's business Tor him, for he was thor
oT5h Nm man man pfompl ana accg G
when lie went ont Of Officer Al have heard
that he recommended him 10 Brennan. but
don't know IT,
Q.-And lac was kept there by Kelly's recon-
mendnucn Al recommendcdh.m also and
30 did all the prominent DcmOcrats-l knew
Q'"Wiat Rusin Ass - did dc he do for Kelly? A.
He made out all the bills of the oncc. and pre-
pared them Tor presentation to the Supervisors
Iii ndrscnf Al think he did. ''''N So
O'-Was any money pad 10 him as percent
t. Other p"rti"sy A."Nothing was paid To- lin I'm
or from him. know, because WIS chairman
OF that commitu,e.
q DO you know anything Of John Kelly's
cours" which connected him with the Ring in
the Board oi Supervisors, or by which he might
have been supposed 10 know anything Of their
prHctircsY Al do not. On the contrary, he
was always quarrrlling and lighting with usand
W; 50 well known 10 hr opposed to us. that
] "a u
tent U- they nominated him. He had nothing
| Wnut't"r 10 do with the Ring either in the
h ard Ol supervisors or Art rWHrd. lie was nf
"}rn in the country most al the time. He went
! abroad ~ ISIS. believe. and didn't return un-
t loI, llinA It w'ls-nOt until It WAS all at an
OWEN he ran against Michael Connolly
| ana N.- elected Shcrin. / wan, YOU 10 tell me
anything you know regard ng That election that
was not straight? Al don't know OF any
| thing Wrong IN regard g. that election | don't
! q repeat o., from Philadelphia M that time
/ II" hmnt on our side OF the town. the east side
| q Gan YOU explain how Kelly eamc to got
| ~ MAJOR ~ he aid IN the Fourth Ward? A.
| Only hy ~" in"i that he mad represented the
/ Wart .n Congress two or three years.
| 'l-D0 you believe his majority there was an
inn--i one or not Al should think II WAS.
Q-ion Snow ,. ding 20 the contrary Al
| A.. wiuu- ''hr "ouIrary. -
~ \s oi." -'aih. A. The Fourth. Sixth.
ana 'nw ni Wards formed the Couer' y
NNhhl bNii. W" o. ut's" ID, aud the same
| REMARKS nhdH r'- p". ngi hc Fourth are equally
E.n,t H'N "uiI' ~o4 ~ the Sixth aud Four
q. .Do you know Of any frauds there. Al
Q.-As regard lho Seventh Warl? Al know
! ol nome WAS sVHu>lnls THAT Kelly Should
chouod il II hat boon ncccssary, / lhmk. but it
Q.-Do you know want lr-uuot.ors w.ro
| NOT know OF any, part tuur,N.
o. wWtta know iu'r You know of nuy