The New York herald., 1877-09-22
His Relations with Jay Gould and
James Fisk, Jr.
WHAT THE TAX LEVY COST.
Three Hundred Thousand a Year on Ten
Thousand Dollars Capital.
A CONFESSED PERJURER.


day from the Aldermanic chamber the occasion Of
she fith day or Tweed's examination before the COM
mittee. Messrs. Lewis, Sievin and Cowng The large
room and vcstfbue nled with an nquisitve
crowd the absence Of politicians being again particu
larly noticeable. Tho spicy revelations OF the past
month from the sx.Tammany Boss strike in such mu.
ttarious directions that IT is impossible to tell
who will next under tho LASH AS the examina
on progresses the public appetite for additional in
formation becomes stronger What crcdcnce can bo
placed in the statements q whole alone be de-
termined when the present nvestigaton has formally
closed.
Through misapprehensOn OF the hour OF meeting
Tweed brought to the City Hall ny the SherHs
officials at eleven O'Clock. Tho time arranged fo- the
lsscmbage OF the committee Two O'Clock, but 1t
halfpast in the afternoon beioro proceedings
wero regularly commenced.
COULD
Tweed was first examined yesterday as to his con-
with tho Erie Railway and the former bra,ns
OF that corporation, James Fisk and Jay Gould.
Money frequently given 'tbe Boss'' by these two
gentlemen for the purpose of bribing the Legislature
In the intorosts OF the road Tweed could recol
lect the namos OF Senators and Assemblymen
who received money this connection HIS memory
Iecmed DO greatly at fault in the discussion of this
branch OF the investigation. He was positive how
ever as to the frequent use OF money 10 forward leg
islation for the benefit OF tho Erie road
Judge Barnard used py Tweed for the purpose OF
obtaining Injunction at the instance OF Fisk and
Gould This was the first transaction recorded as oc
curing between the members OF this celebrated tr
umvirate. 81 was always friend OF Barnurd." re.
marked Tweed. II took the risk OF my life to have
him nominated"
BROOKLYN BRIDGE AGAIN.
The witness made some corrections in his testimony
O
TO he paid to William G. Kingsley on the work until
the towers erected some three feet above high
water mark. This percentage, however, should apply
to the amount OF 000 000 Tweed's memory In these
particulars hus been refreshed by Demas Barnes, OF
Brooklyn, who sent over q number Of documents
bearing upon the management OF the bridge.
PAYING FOR THE TAX LEvlEs.
According TO the testimony about 500, 600
paid in the Legislature to the passage Of Two
Tax levies Tweed that he gave money for this
purpose to Senators Norris Winslow, W. NJ. Graham,
". H. Brand, A. V. Harpend'ng. T. L. MINER, George
Bowen and James Wood. The lobbyists, A D. Barber,
"Abe" Van vechten and Charles Edwards, looked
after the commercial men' in the Assembly.
THE NEW YORK PRINTING COMPANY.
The history of the New York Printing CO mpany and
its ofshoot the Manufacturing Stasioner's ompany
was next given, commencing with his formation by
. purchase OF the Transcript newspaper from Cor
nclius and the Stcut Brothers An increase Of
from $4,000 to $751; 600 per annum realized by
The members OF the corporation, James B. Taylor,
William M. Tweed, Peter B. Swecny aud others
ARMoRIEs AND DRILLxooMs.
Witness also furnished list Of owners Of property
to whom large amounts had been paid for rents Of
their premises to be used armores and drilirooms
for National Guard regiments Money paid to
the Supervisors Ring for these leases 1ngersoil and
Woodward being the principal parties who made the
negotiations.
TwEED's PERJURY.
The crossexamination of Tweed by Alderman
CowIng produced some pertinent answers He was
compelled 10 confess himself perjurer. having in
1872, wh,tewashed all the men whom he now swears
bribed in the Legislature. AT that time he
Bwore before investigating committee OF the Senate
hat no money was used by him to corrupt Senator's
He now tells an entirely different story.
WHAT THERE?
At the close of the examination spirited discussion
took place between Assistant Corporation Counsel
Cole, Mr. Townsend, Tweed and Alderman Cowing as
10 the why the 'Boss" brought before
committee. and whether not he compelled
answer the questions propounded to him. Tweed
seemed very ANXIOUS to be placed in the position Of
witness compelled TO testify under legal process.
PROCEEDINGS.
At the opening OF the proceedings Mr. Tweed cor
rected the senograpEer's notes oi his testimony given
the 18TH inst several letters, he SAID, had been
noy, whose name had appeared IN some OF the news
papers as one OF the Senators bribed by Tweed The
Latter declared he did not know the man
Mr. Tweed asked that the stenographers notes Of
matter should therefore bo given TO him some days be-
fore he called upon TO testify again, that he
would have time TO examine and correct them. lie did
not blame any one Tor making errors he said, as he
spoke very indistnctly. Mr.. Cole promised TO have
tue minutes OF uturc meetings printed and given to
witness in that shape and in good season.
Mr Townsend complained that the committee, which
IL
list OF tho questions to be asked MIR. Tweed the
ntxt meeting, had Jailed to 40 SO.
Mr. Cole began the examination by remarkng that
at the last session. when the interroeatorlcs pro-
pounded by Mr.. Morrissey were put he had been
obliged for want OF time to omit AT this point
he was interrupted by Mr.. Tweed, who broke out
with
VINO PROFOUND interrogatores to me, tnat ! may
have the same privilege, that they may be called to
testify aud ict me question thcm?" MIR. Cole SAID they
should be called II Mr. Tweed wished 10 ask any ques.
tions and that gentleman responded with gratihed
air that he should be happy to 40 So.
Now with regard 10 tho Erie Railroad" said Mr.
Cole .'wnat connection did you ever have viii. ,he
Eric Railway Company" a. was a director III that
company; cannot tollthe time exactly; II Is matter
OF impossbllty to carry dates IN my head ! cannot
tnd out from books; made several mistakes In rela
ton To the bridge matter the other day. when II
hal half hour would have rccolccted them cor
rectly; think was made director IN 1865 or 80;
was stockhOderthat Is, there was stock standing III
my name alter tho aoourncd OF either 1868
or go about the time they were adjourning Hugh j.
Hastings brought me into tno connection with Jay
Aflcr came to New York Gould called and SAID he
would like 70 bring James Fisk TO see me, and he
brought Fisk and we had a long talk Fisk, Gould
and myself; that was the hrst time ever
came into contact with Mr.. Fisk; they wanted
Injunction that day; they wanted an injunction against
Nanucroit Drow, and think some others who
opposing the Erie direction ana who II was supposed
were about to give Vanderbilt! control Of the road
thnk 1t was to .ivc them some advantages; cont
Know what they now; they wanted me 10 seed udge
Barnard other Judge and nave an injunc. ION
granted; / dsclined having anything TO do WITH the
matter ut trst, bu; | consulted Mr. Sweeny that
night or that day .ometne, and also with Mr.. Con-
molly, l think; certainly with AIR. Swceny, Mr FISK
mud Mr. Gould; they called TO see me the next day
again, and had the matter talked over, and then
they said they would bring me INTO Tho directory
anu would nave chance TO make some money; |
consented TO 60 IN with tbem at Tho next meeting
OF the directors elected director; at the time
was elected had no stock, but Understood they
had ve shares of stock that hey kept there to trans
fer 70 men they wanted to clect-one share to one
man. thrco shares TO three men, aud 80 on; " may
have been ten shares but that was the way 1t Stood
I cannot repeat the conversations had with Gould
and Fisk in detail but have gwen the substance OF