The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1877-04-28
VOODIy INVESTIGATED.
Interesting Points on Legislation
from MI. Chapman.
N O M O N Ely u S F. ID
Horace Greeley's Part in Passing
Tweed's Measure.

Woodn were couiirued to-day so TAR no one appears
to havc seen any Of tha. $500, ooo Tweed according
TO this evidence had wonderful, almost fearful IN
ducuce over republican legislators But how he man
aged TO have tho infamous 10 Charter and Tax Levy
bills passed is not explained Tho power OF hts
was great but every other powor has been concealed
yet from this committee.
cuAPMAS's TESTIMONY.
orlow Chapman sworn b, Mr. Carpenter and sesti
the sena.c in 1865 So 10 aud II '
q Was William B Woedn Senator dnrng part Of that
q. Was Morris winsow a member. A. lie was In 20
g Was William y. Tweed a member, 4. Yes
q. TO which political party did you belongs A. The
Did Mr. Tweed take an active part in legislative
A. matter OF fact did no A. suppose there Is no
thing regard senate. waodin during years he
was there S,th me that my idea aeout ~ not 80 much
Did he take an active part Ia The discussion Of
he took as much OF an active part as Of know
@a A 9" s n 81 hS
should say perhaps the thing regards senator
there was active in local ersarion.
MhI wsrs the TOOK active
nedy ana arker were two strong men, as looked upon
TwsKps "nucKLEpERny.r
n 10 you & anyps tho Of
was such bill there, but as to the introduction oft know
q. Was 4 before tho senates A. 1t strikes me It
O Do yon know whether there was an active contest
in regard TO u between tho regular and the Young Democ
@ yog know there was bin before the Senate known
q. And also the New York Election law passed. A.
,sS, w VI; there republican caucus held with regard to
z You You. voted rss i. tor both both 4 Yes .,
in order get the Election law.
this bill A. The question Of The repuscsn Members Of
p ssss w va s n under
In order TO get the Election law; that is recollection
Was that position taken by the caucus as bodys A.
O. That political reason assigned and tho indl-
vidual reason A. That was my understanding OF
laws Governor aud signed BY HIM. as I'M.
and recolleet before the republican senators would
q How long did the charter pass A. short time
now ABOUT rwEEp's MosEy
q Have you any knowledge OF any money beng
promised TO influence senators or Assem ymen' GER
Il you know Of any circumstance which leads to
H. knew Of no circumstance course asrward heard
OF the umcrs in the papers and elsewhere Ills my impress
s s"ns M'' some niue i' after before heard any
Have YOU any knowledge any money being used ut
ali In regard before the Legislature bout
O. Know anything in regard to money being raised? A.
do not
the caucus to which have referred Il has been already
Greeley and some other Gentleman who was with him
s had Greeley sd .s
other gentleman whose name do remember regard
republican members not the charter bu alter henr
ana the resso's which they gave tending to indnes
to vs Ss esTsS T
not seem to me now that he quite a,sen,ea that he
me that tho other gentleman however. acknowledged In
the caucus that our position; was correct.
law A. think he was and advocated il in his paper.
active uart in that caucusy A. have no recollection Of
Senator woodn saying ANYTHING in tina, ca,cus. and
4 utt that In laar.
rscoee Mr. @eodn in the Caucus Mr. Greeley and
this gentleman then retired and the vote was taken
q agreed support the Election charters
by Mr. woodn-Do you remember u caucus being held In
remember now there Informal consuiia in one
Of tho Senator's IN the northwest portion of this
came out aerwad in letter in the paper referring to
ANOTHER CONSIDERATION
O. Do you remember that another consideration was an
70 ps law s Win ah a f Ao Of tho
DO you ren,secs there Was Proposition ais" pend
Ing to repeal the law which provided for The election of
strikes me there was something Of that kint but nave
parties in senate tho republicans tho democrats aud
Tho Young the democrats holding the balance
passed substantially as they wanted II IN any
to eoncatc in some way the Young democracy rs
rememoer they dssi,oas Of puni.hing tho Young
way without corciiiatng them they desired 70 do II
law they get any other manner they
did take this action they would lose their Election
aud they would succeed relieving the people OF
New York city from the effects Of the charter II We had
have an honest election il the state hereafter ana was
dc sa S The We
law . matter that seems to me now the reason
q Il seemed yoa that could only the Election
by ,r Bradeyp,o You reeoee, there was moro than
q Do yon sssoest ,a". tho Election bill va. one
have the privilege of having the Election
.. DO you rccollect now that Mr.. Waterbury OF New
York, had q oil a. On, yes; recocct that. -
Greeley wanted, Ny Impression wond Dc very strong
a .s da ss bonded WI WITH rs s. ' VII '' was n""
o You didn't pas. the Waterbury bin' A. No. sir.
sssai,ss sSas.hsS i.sss l,s% ~ Gfsssy = n; WE:
sa y nave S DID sec a 'y N"
O. cai your attention to u that matter refrcshon
% wa sgS not that
lave W." my recollection Ia, s was in favor Of tho
Election Law bill ,hn did pass 4. Ny recollection ~ond
tion law b without, having committed himself in favor Of
O Whose bi was this that passed. a. don't know as
II had any dcssnaton seca' IT, me that the b wa:
registry ia~ hi than anything else
enTey dsnes as o 70 whst s be
did 10, designate il, il seems TO ne tic waterbury Bill was
tee ioas lin. before any these actions came up
Do you reeo Hss az H before Ts;sSs1 known
the New York CITY lax Levy bili A. roco,ec there
was such . bill OF course; there is every year
a. you recoert that such BIN passed la $50.
A. have recollection Of any circumstance cted
with It's passage: OF course know IL did.
q you abl, To whether IL passed before
after the charter till A. should IL little
time after.
u DO you rccocct whether any republican members Of
the Scnnte voted Cor that levy bill A. don't
Der way or the other.
q 10 reeocct that that bill excited considerable In
tcest the senate aud outside Of the A. Ny linz
preston would br that of the evil result, OF that char
ter obtained by subsequent that thrfc
subsequent bill passed which gave point aud sig
nncance the which did the or
passage 81 the charter whether IL In either OF the
leyies In separate bill don't Know 10 seems
IL waA In some separate bi
Y. IL gave great opportunity A. Yes. ~ gave great
point 10 w.
II gave great opportunity to those who would have
power under .hc charter accomplish what otherwise
uccompishcdf A. Yes.
a. Ny inquiry whether you rccolcct that that year
rabo interest manifested A. From that sub.
legislation whatever IL don't think
publican members Ia the Senate Tor that proposition,
Tor think tho feeling strong and pretty unanimous
against that.
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