The New York herald., 1877-09-22


ing tha, Injunction canno. tell the uex, time came
into contact with Could and Fisk my connection with
them right along after that until got into trouble;
! never did work Tor them with the judges
after that; soon alter the INJUNCTION had been
granted introduced FISK TO Judge Barnard he be
came more intimate than was with Barnard because
he had more time to wasc upon Barnard than had;
by wasting time on him mean that Barnard re-
quired me 10 hang him all time where he
was nd coax him up; you wanted TO pat him the
back and make him believe he was great man.
A AGENT
was agent OF Flax and Could at Albany, and did
all the business they had there with the LEGISLATURE
when they had any matters that required any man:
aging under their direction generally managed 1t
received instructions from officers of the Erie Com
pany to influence legislators In their official duty;
| cannot now remember the particular bills they mad
reference to; | in the same condition good
swimmer whose hands are tied and who is thrown
il you don't you may drowa;'' / cannot have
access to books papers or anything else TO refresh
FISK Gould with regard 10 influencing the Legsa-
ture--that Is, received money from tnem TO he used
lar matters OF that sort not only did receive money
bu, found the other day, looking at paper, that
almos. everybody s else .ha, ever received a money
from Fisk sngly
through tho Legislature? A. He did.
O. Did he ever suggest the names OF any legislators
that he thought you could bribes A. He never did;
was pretty well up, myself IN that, and don't believe
he thought he could tell Inc. u.aushter)
THE ERIE CLASSIFICATION BILL
Erle classification bill He testified that through him
money had been paid to secure its passage but he
could not tell 10 whom nor how much. Then he
asked It passed, but could not tell the date
Members of the committee and spectators alike con
tessed their ignorance snow you eau SEQ gentlemen
exclaimed Mir. Tweed, "the difficulty labor under
Here's forty lawyers and there ain one OF them can
toll wha! year thai Was n %S0r under ,d the us same an
recoect them" The session laws were brought and
the found to be dated 1868. Mr. Tweed testified
tnat the Classification bill mot the only by
manY that he had paid money tolegslators 10 vote or
he generally paid the Senator'S personally, while Mr. A.
,ha .flshn I.lv
men assisted by Abram Van Vechten. Witness
AGAIN asked whether he knew who composed the
Board Aldermen when the resolution to subscribe
81, 500 600 TO the Brooklyn Bridge passed. He
that IN accordance with his request at the
vous session, messenger OF the Board OF Aldermen
brought him Thu rsday the printed report OF the
proceedings of the Board. but SAID he had been told
not to leave them. Mr. Tweed stated that he was ut
| the time en gagged with his family, who had paid him
VISIT and could not attend 10 the matter on the in
unable TO tell who composed the Board at THAT tmo.
| In relation TO the Bridge matter, Mr.. Tweed stated
that as he was coming into the room a messenger
| from Demas Barnes handed him "mass OF ques-
t,ons," which he had not had time to exarnine Mr.
Barnes had also sent him numocr OF documents re-
latpg to The bridge, and which contained great deal
or valuable Information and suggestion; witness
knew of Mr. Barnes AS great obector TO tho bridge,
! but did not know him personally.
The tax levy bills the subject OF examine
tion Mr.. Tweed declared the charter OF 1870 10 be
'the perfect charter ever produced earth for
means of putting money into the pockets OF the Ring
ho $50 ao Os
|
levy, and witness believed money had also been
| paid for the passage OF the city one Mr. Tweed
toned names OF the Senators disclosed IN his pre-
vious testimony having boen paid for their
| the charter The members of Assembly VINO had re-
| ceived money Mr. Tweed declared himself unable to
name as they were paid through Messrs Barber and
| Van vechten, as already stated
A PROFITABLE CONCERN.
In relation to the New York Printing Company wit
ness stated that 1t the onshoVt oil paper called
Transcript which prolessed TO publish all tho legal
proceedings of the CITY, ana attsrward became the
official paper and published the proceedings OF all the
municipal bodies. IL started by Cornelius Cors0n
and TWO young men named Stout-ail three reporters.
About year alter 1t was started The TWO Souts sold
out their interest," the one to Mr. Tweed and the other
| to James b. Taylor About that time there great
deal OF printing to be done for the city and great
many blanks be hlled up Mr.. Tweed obtained that
work. Mr. Taylor and Tweed managed 1t ard after
ward Mr.. Sweeny and Hugh Smith came into the
us grew se New York ng
| Tnen came from the latter onsnoot called
the Manufacturing siatone.s, which furnished
resolution passed in the Board OF Supervisors d
rccung the Comptroller to pay bills of the New York
Board OF Supervisors. and they were paid upon his
certincation without passing the Board ~ all
ceved any money 10 induce them to pass that resO-
luton .'l think not" he replied nonchalantiy; 81
some; the bills thus passed upon by the clerk had all
| some foundation; they not much excess,
company was $40 600 and the dividend ranged from
$50 900 S75 900 upon each 1ftn OF the stock
Mr. Wilbur had .ae entire management % o. Inc com.
members as no thought right. The company
never bad meeting and never, as body, discussed
its account in the Broadway National Bauk, Tor a
short time the Ocean Bank, and part OF the time
the Guardian institution" All This information, wit
| ness SAID could be obtained from MI. lain,or, who
| had charge of the finance department.
In relation to the article providing for the widening
and aghtenng OF Broadway Mr. Tweed testified
that he knew nothing The matter OF armorleS aud
| drillroom was then taken up.
q. should ike, Mr. Tweed, tnat You look over
the records and testify as on to such OF those
after looking over the book.) Here is one in
Nos 141 l43, las and 147 East Fourteenth street. at
! $4,000 per annum IN the names OF Charles Johnson
George Snepperd and Francis Palmer; OF Nos 406 40S
4lo West Tenth street, at $4,000 por anhum; the
two upper stories OF Nos. 2os aud 30 West twenty
fourth street. '$lI, ooo TO- Alexander 7: Compton
then he was brother-in. law OF lngersol
The premises on Sixth aveaue and broadway
between Thrtyhith and Thirty sixth streets, to the
Seventy first regiment at $4,000, again $4,000 and
again s5 900, being the hrst second and third
floor of Nos. POI 295 Bowery. for the Ninety
infantry. from June 1870 to March 1873, s5,OOO
floors OF No, 53 Chryste street, unoccupied, No
vember 1865 to November, lS73 S., 900; Frank W.
Sterry-that is, James H. iugerso-the upper floor
OF No. 694 Broadway, tor the Eighty fourth infantry,
from May l, 1870 TO May 1875 $1,000 for the first
year, Tor the second and third years $l3, 600, and
$l5 900 for the fourth and 0tn years; to Conrad Boil
ler-that is, James H. lngersollthe third ana fourth
floors Of Nos 2l6 TO 226 West Twenty-third street,
unoccupied, May 1871 to May, 1881, S36 900, building
not yet completed; TO Lew s. stockweI, the second
floor ol No. 6g9 Broadway, $4,000 year. uuoccupied,
from May, 1871, 10 May, 1876 again, the third and
fourth floors the building S. 600, unoccupied
that is all know anything about; don't mean that
is all the leases, but mean that Is all Know any
thing about; my memory Is very detective these
armores and drlf ooms these things pass cd SO long
ago that know very little about them only know
that they source Of great revenue the time,
anu most all oI these leases were paid for.
q. Now, Mr.. Tweed, what did the illegaty or
frauds connected with these leases consistY A. In
paying certain price TO have the resolutions adopted
q You moan tho lessons paid the SupervsorsY A.
Yes sir.
Q. Do you know In all these cases what would have
been proper rental for these premises? a, | do
know any OF them In some cases these negotiations
made directly between the lessons and the mem
bers OF he Board OF Supervisors Mr. f. A. Woodward
and Mr.. James H. Ingerso will give you all the infor-
nation upon those points. 4
q. Well, as TO those you have testified concern.ng
can you state which OF the Iessors mentioned dealt