New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1877-11-29
NOT A DEMOCRATIC SENATE YET.
THURMAN MAKES A STUBBORN FIGHT But coNoVER
VOTES WITH HE REPUBLICANS, AND TIKI LAT
TER CARRY The DAY.
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WASHINGTON. Nov. 2S-The Republican Senators
scored one point to-day and held it. They have by
their superior tactics and the aid of Vice-Presdent
Wheeler. vote. actually changed places with the
Democrats. They have put the Kellogg case INTO
sucb a positon Of precedence over that OF Ueherai
Butler that it is not likely TO lose it's place.
The fobt. however between the Democrats and
Republicans for supremacy is by no means over. IL
was continued to-day in the presence OF the same
crowded galleries that have looked down upon IL
since Monday morning Mr. Edmunds led the Re
pubicans. while the Democrats followed Mr. Thur
man There were amlcable personal relations between
the two leaders They were frequently seen to-
eetber and they often held conferences with each
other I'M the Vlce-Presidents TOom. To Mr.. I'd
Inunds must be awarded the superior generashlp,
for the Democrats have been beaten in all the par
Hamentary skirmishes since the fight began. HE
Democrats have only gained points by
the main strength of numbers. Mr.. Thur
man does not pretend 70 be an accom-
rlished pariamentarian. Old Senator'S can
not help contrasting with his leadership the skill
with which ex-senator Hendricks used TO marshal
his forces and keep them in hand when ,he numer-
zeal difference between tie two parties was much
greater than it is now.
Most NJ fine session today. which lasted from y
mill G:30 p. H.. was used mp in the discussion Of
ro.nts of order and the rules of the Senate. The
chaplain. IN his prayer before tue proceedings be
gan. made an eloquent appeal 10 the hrone OF
Grace ou behalf Of Mr.. K llogc's admission. Then
followed the reading of the journal. which was coz
r.ted I'm some particulars on the suggestion Of Mr..
Ldmunds
coNoyEE's VOTE GAINED.
fore the end Of the morning hour the KNpuhh-
cans sought To- gain an advantage over the Demo
crats. Every one expected that 10 motion could be
I'D ftrtfi f.a-
end Of the morning hour as the journal Of Mondays
long session would not have been read bv 1 O'Clock
lrt Mr. Wadlezh, before the morning hour was half
done moved TO take from the table the
resolution Of the Committee Privileges
ami Elections. providing for the admission
Of 5lr. Kelig ~. a prompt objection was raised by
Mr. Thurman. who made the point of order, uu
de- the rules of tie Senate that no reports bills
petitions. or sGch like, should be considered until
aiterthe reading Of the journal, without unanimous
consent D bate on the rules and point of order
was continued for some time, Messrs. Edmunds,
Dlra-l Vi-hers, and others participating. II was
v.-r evident from the confident air Of the Repubi-
can. tia. they knew how the yice-PIesident would
d.ciie the questions au. be- ruled tlat the case Of
kellogg could be called up by a majority vote, not
withsraud.ug that tile reading of the journal was
no- completed.
From this decision Mr.. Thurman promptly an
ueal-d and VT. Edmunds a. promptly called for the
yeas and nays on sustaining the appeal evidently
again confident Of the result. The chair was sus-
tanned by auaiorltv Of one Mr. Conover voting aye
and judge Davis dodging into the cloak-room.
The next vote was ou taking up the case Of kel
Leg. On This question MI Conover again voted
with the Republicans. Mr. Patterson adhered 10
the cause Of General Buffer IN every stage Of the
proceedings. This be resolved to do to the end.
II fp no
will vote with the Democrats. lie says this himself,
bur he also saws ne Will certainly vote for Air Kel
qa'sadm.,siou afterward. The Republicans there
for. IN obtaining Mr. COnOyers vote, achieved the
victory OF the d3y. The Senate being evenly d.
vded the Vice resident by bis vote gave Nj. KEEL
logg' case q majority OF one.
FurBU,rERING SOW BY DEMOCRATS.
The next question, and the important one Of the
day, was the immediate admission OF Dir. Kellogg.
Again Mr.. Thurman ready with an amendment,
and moved to substitute the name of Butler for that
Of the Louisiana claimant
II was not supposed that a vote on this substitute
could be reached to-day. Several Senators desired
10 speak on the main question, some on the
Butler case, and some on that Of KEEL
logc. The Republicans were now willing
- come to some understanding with the
Democrats as TO when a vote should be taken on
both cases but Mr. Thurman was apparently fear
IN! and uncertain whether some parliamentary trick
was not IN reserve. Mr.. Edmunds proposed 10 the
Ohio Senator that a vote on Kellogg be taken on
Friday. and that on the following day the Butler
case should be decided. OF course, the Democrats
would not agree 10 this for il is 10 prevent Mr. KEEL
logg from being admitted first and then voting
against General Buffers admission, that they are
working Mr. Thurman then called attention 70 the
pending Of Eustis, which had been hanging IN
the Senate for twenty-five months. He was not
willing TO make any agreement which did not en-
brace his case also.
4 long discussion followed about the business of
the Committee on Privileges and Elections. There
was apparently some feeling between the Republic
can and Democratic members of it.
About 3 o'clock a vote was reached on the amend
ment 20 substitute the name Of General Butler for
that Of Kellogg and the yeas and nays were called
The greatest interest was manifested Oh the floor
and in the galleries General Butler himself
surveyed the scene from one Of the doors leading
into the cloak-room. There was a good deal
Of anxiety depicted on his handsome face. ma
iority recorded. and the name Of Er ConOyer
reached. When he voted against the substitute
the Democrats were in high state Of disgust and
indignation. Mr. Patterson adhered to his new al
legance and voted aye. So there was q tie and the
amendment was lost. Judge DAVIS of course, voted
with the Democrats.
The vote Of the YicePresident not needed, but
he exercised his Constitutional privilege and voted
., and the Butler amendment was defeated.
At this iuncture Mr.. Thurman raised another
point Of order absurd in itself but which was de-
bsted at some length 1t was that the Vice-Presi-
has night to vote ON the Senate's members,
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