The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1877-04-18

There was . great diversity OF opinion q
the time, and ! consulted with Mr. Greeley
as would with any friend who assumed 10 know all
about tho city Of New York That explains my con-
nection with the Tweed charter and that Is all there
about II There ninety-six votes in the AS
semby for IL ana this fact when but sixly-nve
necessary 70 pass the charter dsprovcs the
that all It's supporters were purchased. There wcre
only two votes against II IN the Senate. what would
be the use Of buying thirty votes when but seventeen
MR. noRRIssEY's AvowALs
Senator Morrisscy said, "lve read tho story about
the Tweed charter, and all I've got 10 say Is that.
any received dollar frauduentiy. either directly
indirectly, thoy should be exposed and punished.
never got dollar out OF the city treasury my le
While these fellows stealing was lghung them
all the time. There Is nothing new, however.
In this called expose and IL altogether indeh.
mite. What s wanted statement OF names, dates
one thing about woodin though, he laughs NJ IL"
Hustled SIZES NOTHING WRONG N
Jimmy Hustled, the bald eagle OF Westchcstcr, said,
~ voted for the charter as did Governor Alvord and
Mr. Li,teJohn. ! didn'. know much about New York
u year. voted n the solicitation and on
the recommendation Of Mr. John Ii. White, the
York city. didn', see anything wrong. about tho
charter and. furthermore, don see anything wrong
about i. now The trouble was with The men who ad-
m,nistered IT, You know who drew IT, don't you Il
was Judge Edmonds. BY the way, the entire re-
publican press o. the city was In favor OF u.
morning paper on the passage Of the charter
is wrong That vote was on ordering the bill TO third
against II, and those ave wore Pierce Of Franklin;
Reamcr. OF Yates; Wright, Of Ontario; Walker. OF
Genesse. and Murphy. o. New York Murphy beng the
'Hus,ed, Il I'D been q member Of the Assembly I'd
have voted tho same as you did, and he added, but
think will beat 'em in the Senate ="
GREEN MEMBER.
Mr. J. V. Baker, OF Washington county, said
svs IN 1870 the same ds,ras that
do now II was my second term here, but was only
twenty-five years Of age and formed the haei, Of
There was scarcely any opposition 10 II In the House.
aud at .ha. time Iddnt suppose there was any obec.
"oLp sALr'sn srAr.MENr
Thomas G. Alvord sald:-"l voted for the Tweed
charter Of 1870 under compulson. fought Il all tho
by Lttlcjohn Hustled and Sckreg; but then sue
cecdcd in beating six or seven other damned bills Of
theirs put republicans out OF oico IN New York. and
when, as 10 alleged, the vast sum OF $500 900 was
spen. to carry through the charter OF that year."
NOT CENT roR SAcHrMAN.
Martin NachtmRn SAID Il was true he voted for tho
charter In 1870; out did every other democrat, ex
sw % rsoevsa NO 20
vote, and he looked for mono, because he was voting
with his party.
uixBy AND o'nprEx-A LEGITIMATE TRANSACTION
Senator Bxby said In relation TO the alleged state
Of Mr.. Tweed that he never mad fteen minutes
conversation with Tweed in his whole lite. The facts
OF the case simply that Mr.. James O'Brlen has .
claim against tho city amounting to $500, 000 and,
wishing 10 raise some money one.alf interest in tho
claim sold 10 Tweed tor $4,000 IN cash
aud some mortgages on uptown lots. and
In concentrating this sale l acted as Mr.. o'Brien 3
attorney. Nothing was said by mo nor, to my knowt
edge, by Mr. U'Brlen IN connection with this transac-
ton with reference 10 immunity being offered TO Mr.
Tweed stOppagc OF the investigation which was
then gong on. II was purely business transaction,
entirely legitimate IN It's character No would be
foolish enough to believe that any human could
stop tho Investigation which then pend.
Ing, and so lar ss am concerned had no desire
10 accomplish any such purpose even II ! could
Tho Tamnany people at that time, as they have been
since. opposed 10 me and was opposed 10 them
The very nrst meeting which was hello in the city Of
o. Tamnany Hail was held u, Brcvoort Hall,
and at that meeting presided, and at that
time t was almost as much as mans HE was worth
10 take that position. have been persistent and
consistent opponent OF the Tammany Ring and Tam
many Hall generally ever since. held NO public
position a. the time OF this transaction and my rela
iion to . should not be criticized.
EX-SENATOR THAYER.
A. the time tho charter before tho Legislature
Mr. Francis : Thayor represented the kenssaleer dis
ulct In the State senate, and no Senator Harry
Genet were tho only Senators who voted against Mr.
Tweeo's great scheme. Dir. Thayer, who resides
respondent this evening with tho Wow Of xscer.
tanning his opinion OF Mr.. Twecd's confession. The
ex-senator was not inclined TO say much about the
Ring Legislation. During the time that u was said Mr.
tweed owned the Legislature he performed his
duties couscientiously and wanted to believe that
his brother Senators did the same His op-
1s,0S ?. 70 S.; based ~, on = %o.ys.
cal action. As regarus tho charge OF corruption
brought by Tweed OF the prominent Scna-
r.
understood AS believing II. HIS opposition to tho
charter placed him IN a peculiar position,
want 10 be mixed uD IN any OF lheir squabbies
Your correspondent however, was favored with a
written statement, prepared by himself containing all
that no wished to say on the subject Mr.. Thayer s
statement Is MS follows
REASONS FOR OPPOSITION
During the pondency OF the charter opposed t.,
because thought was doing the best Inv for the
city 0: New York. ! thought that tho charter
conferred too much power on The BoEH Of
IN IQmd IN frarf.1 In
the various departments under which the con-
troll was placed. Tho republican Senators had
caucus over The charter stood alono In opposition
Tho other Senators favored Its possage, expressing
convection that Mr. Tweed could have his charter
very STRINGENT Registry law would be adopted
can party. On this question tho caucus were
quite unanimous and the charter reported
iavoraby On tho strength OF this representation tho
charter was passed very quickly aior IL before
the Committee OF tho Whole but during the time that
IL before tho Senate l offered u score or so OF
amendments which were calculated 10 modify It's pow.
All these amendments swiftly voted down
aud the charter was hnrredv passed AS regards Mr..
weeds implication vi certain Senators as recipients
OF brides through Mr.. Winslow, know nothing.
HEARD MONEY WAS usED
Mr.. Thayer says he heard rumors that money had
been used 10 grease the wheels OF legislation but no
unwilling TO believe that his brother Senators acted
from corrupt motives ON the unsupported statement Of
cosnKsroSDrsr-were you ever approached by Mr..
Tweed or any OF hts lobbyistss
Mr. rnArkR-Nevcr, cither by implication other
wise.
CORRESPONDENT Did you not think I, strange tina,
other senators did not take the you did
Of The chnriers
MT TnA,gs-l did think Il q little singular that /
stood comparatively alone but did not impute their
conduct rs the result OF any improper influence.
CoKEKsrosDgsT-Do you believe that money was
used by Mr. Tweed 10 corrupt members Of the Lcgisla
turcf
Mr. TnayKR-I have no right TO believe such a
thing, because ! have had proof of their corrup.
ten Az said before there were ruInors--,hcrc AFRO
always runors when ANY great measure 10 before tho
Leslslal0fc-but have no right suspect a man un.
al zee or bear a definite ana spccinc charge
Cesassrs>psSr-iour oppo sition was made cxclu-
syciy on The sUppoktion that the charter would lead
10 fraudy
Mr. rHAskn-ccrtaniy; nothing else
tsnhksrvsDksr--Dlds GU propbesy the result?
Mr.. TnAYAK-->og VA the senate. 1 verify believed
that Ar Tweed had hidden motive In urg ng mo
passage. but sac that the charter could not de-
iestsd. therefore tired 20 modify ". did not sue.
eced bat Was always willing To believe that tho SEN
ators who voted fvr tbc charter CONSCIENTIOUS
Their motives.
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