New-York tribune., 1877-09-17

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dealings at that time came TO me and said tlat u
wanted any help in reaching other senator's ne could
brohernaw OF OF the senator's. and he could hrng
us together asked him the name OF the senator ana
his agency MnsOw aud myself werc brought tosethcri
talked matter with Wiuslow, and he sa!' nc
could other for $4,000 apiece; hay or Two
afiorward Mr.. Hastings and had convcrstion ahd ne
suggested that IL could secure Senator Woodns SUP
port would be source OF great sfength, as ne stoou
very high i'll the party.
TWEED SAYS THAT wOODIS WANTED S5Oooo'
Q-What Mr. Hastings do you meant A.-ilush Hast
Dgs, editor OF The Commercial Advertiser 30 ai'cr
thinking the matter pretty fully met Mr. "oodlh
one day in tho library hall OF the Senate Chamber
said him "You not going against me in TINS mat
ter: tis is n personal fight against and If tbey sue
ceed they will remove me from my position as DbuS b
against me- and was bound 10 win il could; hc saiI
10. that he did not want to fight against % puI tnnt
Norton was a very clever gentleman VINO nu hi
helped him, and he wOnld ike 10 help nun
ont | said. wouldn't you Ike To heIp h1
would rather lose my Lie than lose ihe tght ne su,
"yOu take IL very eaInestly;' "a did th3t nctc,
felt 80 earnestly IN my hie and that would do any tIns
that man could do TO prevent my sell from Dchs De.
be then spoke to me about The loss 81 NY pS1 and
said II wound br worth great deal 20 me 10 re'h ~ anu
said would be Wiling 10 pay AWNING 10 seC"S 80!
object knew mat money eaie ~ III 'so oenticned
would not be positive that was the purport Oh We V
some KIND from him: / reported that Interview 10
WnslOw and Hastings, and both OF them sac t -
YOU can ect the cid man the day talked 10 mn
again. aud bc to my room that nlgh ioiu i mn nm
had talked with other Republican senators ON the snp
ject that had talked with Mniei, wood ana NlaIT N w.
aud DeV ,hcug il better the money should he pIae,u ~
mans hanos; eaid 81 nave G"t iIs t55 ,5,,.f,r
right. ana | 90 WIN anyhow Dnt "oulu -
to have the Republicans on my SIDE 10 cover uP a." &,
nibe dcciencics ;''I suggested Thai the kerubNcl' ~
caucus snoud resolve 20 support M @ ,yI NJ abomf
they did caucus nobody should hn9" is @ n, r,,t
and If thai was tne result tnty coHu s.l - VIZ , narfv
they governed by the action o. tr' I,ti
in caucus told him also thar re atoms ne hau VIM
bat yo,d be The end of 1t he said: - know YOU are
all right and amt afraid To trust yOu; ne slu 1" ,
cinuot get You viii tell yon the others; -pVh5
u hi Do about Mr. NnsOw; the next Gay h.n iiy,noI
said was goirg to pay them $4,000 cach. ana lie isheu
ne ii could moi make il 10000 lido. ,,,+1di1
moi propose. and could NOS afford To give more thah
$1,000. and lac said he would go with tAc nhis s %
Ssa hand you the $4,000 y0ni niselt ana ne NJ 'tIu.
II ~ W., - ne Sid: 'Do tue same win you
viii Win The othols;" short tn@ after Hastings III
iorfnod ne thai thee .rKcpuD caucus, ana INST
mat was result and, ia fact knew il ilrea,y; "h.n
ing to thc caucus determinations except Mr. mayer ana
every Democrat voted FOR except Genet; ry Vo'ei
iOr It, and only Two voted against u. u -,
Q.That j, The charter prepared by the Iammany Hall
iDcse Tie only Senators with whom you had
dealings vita regard To TINS chartcri Al ooushI some
Q-HCGl Al bought some Of the Others by giving
icl ms what Democrats you bought and with what
liaces al cannot tell you that; got Them appoint
ncnt they drew monthly salaries Without GONG
o. wan, to know what other members of the Senate
You bought mere on m@de US oi OJheI eIsu1,T gu -
tion OF the bwhat ,nators you bought by mone} or
pacesl A.-IIosti gave place 10 Senator Frost OF the
Fis; District and places 10 his friends
Q-Mhcn You name e man. tell an mat liah,plfcu Dt-
tween you ana liml Al appointed different men l"i
MN AT - 30 and - dIy, "h0 dc no Wcrh' bui whose
names were on the payroll, ,
Q-Dd }Ou a4Ict 10 uO lhaV II nc "ou" VOC iO4 'iS
o-Was thai TO De the consideration which controlled
his vote Al agreed 10 90 that ana he was to tot ~,
tuis b di not beAcyo he would vote for me u oid
not give nm nose piitssi go ~ N o. " ] 'n. 10
lclp i'm s business matters in NcW-I0rk, If he voted Tor
the bi; Thomas j. Creamer-i think some ARRANGEMENT
wa. made with blm by hr. Connolly. Dut don't hho.
wha; tua, was; understood he "as t. DO H.. Genst
voted against o.. gave place to senator O9uu"es
partner, Nj - .imey whlcn Was NOT 10 be less tdan
t,. Ii,ce was Denury Collector of Assessments
ana one wear when il fell below mat amount bdi 10
make up tAe deficiency William NJ Grahim-l gave MN
0Gliov much and all about l Al don't recollect;
Wls giving him mone} all the iIme' g2VOJ l9l2E'
slOUOJ ,u-noI4oW, $4,000 again TO Ce hun out of bua
ASK ne lal the money ANA get D all the umc. ~
a. Did you have an understanding agreement with
nm tna Ii he voted for this b he would get money, and
Won alterWatd gave hm moneys Al gave ain money
NinslOw gave money 60, as stated before; augustus
ElNood ! gave money 10, / think. for that; William H.
Brand gave money 10 also-i imuk @JOOO; NO0dm
gave money TO through Wnsow, as stated before.
MORE OF TIE ALLEGED coNVERsAIIoS WITH
W0oDN.
Q-Dd you give it to Woodin personally A-No, but
through Mr. Wlnslow as / stated before asked him
auei ward If thst matter .al right and be said was
au right; Abraham Harpenny and Theodore L. Mlni'r
gave money each OF them IN The same way; George
Bowen also gave money to; MINER Bowen and Wood
wer, tlrce of the men ( money 10; James Wood IL
the same hat is an, bclicye.
O-Ar, osc tlc members OF the Senate that You re-
collect Al tmA thnt j. an hau uliii-sW II WI
REGARD 10 ts charter. ana am not sure about EWuOd
la reference this charter; had tnen 10 tstin our
chatter their caucus and not 10 Note ior II "heh IL
came up for paSsag. .......
O-I want You to be precise about tlis thing. be-
ca,c you dealing with mens repntailons n9n nave
testified that you had conversation with Nh WIhsiow
in which YOU made an agreement WIN am 10 ld5 nlh
Ye.. eli. did pay iin money mo ms Eand
O--Did yen have conversation Win "OOulh' A.
toS'oHnd did YOU agree with woodn that you would
.-iVe aim money hIs vote anu supp ~ A-hcs sr,
ana the amount ayr ed upon was To DC TiO,oOO
Q-Dld YOU III words ray to A'r. Nop1R 20 me ehecl
that Won would pay him money through Nf. HlhsloW l.
hc would for the charter, and did ne aeIee upon
Woodin that had fur Senators already a. certain
~. 80. 49, b ost cd me y NJ was not To be $4,000 for
each ana said 10. IT was TO be only riOGOO-that /
cOuld not afford 10 pay mCie tnls Was 10 sustain
,Se cayter in caucis ana not III the Senate Chamber.
Wt,dn personally! Ave mad number Of cOuveIsa
tons in relation 10 the passage Of this Charter; ex
rurus should agree 10 stand 10y tins charter and vote
for H. should agree to pay Them $4,000 apiece-to
WoOdin, Bowen. Mmer and wood
0.~You agreed pay them $4,000 apiece to De paid
me by voting this charter. and TIE understanding
was clear ana direct as IT possibly Soad De |llhoGt
being positive ahd la pam itn4uaEe' thht f4vVoO was
10 he paid him through Wnslow II he Was 10 sustain tie
charter a.. -, -
ur'ssonl A.-DO the same with me through WinslOw
- you do with the others, and VIII be with JOu.
6-ls that after you had informed INN tha the amount
"a reed upon WAS SlO,OOO A.-les SIR; that was after
three or four cOnv vcrSatiOhs 49,
oNDid YOU ray 40 OCO to WinslOw for WOodinl A.
,,aid hIu 500 900 10 be distributed between tie five
mon / nave named, he being one OF tAem
On money An money.
0-D1d you have any cuny crsatinn subsequently, with
v,din IN respect 10 TINS maJcri A.Ycs, SIR, mad.
O-Wnat was itl Al asked him II mat matter Was
setIl all right, aud he SAID II was All rlghl. .
~ Nnn hAAn any COmNcrsallOn WIN Mns-