The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1877-11-12
"BLUFF BEN"

THE OLD REPUBLICAN WARRIOR SPEAKS Hra
MIND ABOUT THE QUESTIONS OF TaH
HoUR-HAYEs AND HIS PoLICY-CHICKENa
THAT WILL COME HOME TO RoosT-wAsH.
INGToN NOT MORE HONEST AND UPRIGHT
THAN GRANT.
correspondent Of the Chicago Inter Ocean (Noven.
Der 9) relates tho following interview had with the
Hon. Benjamin Wade whlo route to his home, at
Andover, Ohio:-
81 first called the attention Of the ex-senator to the
telegram from Now York, which Published IN
your paper Of October 30, giving synopsis Of the
two-coumn letter OF Mr. William Lloyd Garrison
against the Hayes administration He listened care.
fully to some of the more pointed paragraphs which
l read aloud, and, whom paused TWO
sions, sad-Those are precisely my opinions, and
have frequently asserted them when asked to tell
what thought Of the manner IN which the govern.
ment Ia being carried on As Garrison summed up
the results OF the boosted Southern policy the
speaker also believed that it meant simply the vr-
tual anchisement of the coored race the
quent domination OF their enemies, and the disnte.
grafton and Generalization OF the republican party,
unless tho friends OF freedom everywhere rallied the
rescue.'
..since called ON you in the summer President
Hayes has been South. What do you think OF the
suits OF that trip" inquired.
SWELL" Mr.. Wade answered, "ho drew crowds
around him, and then he compnmented those who
had rebels against the Union, and told them that
he believed they had been fighting for what they
though. be right, just the United States troops
had fought tor what they considered right Now 1t
stands to that tho Southeners did what they
thought right they should be Obliged to suffer for
1t. Why, then, should the rebels net receive remu.
nerati0n for their losses during the war; Why should
the soldiers receive pensions at the hands Of tue
iNuto thin trim
granted pensionsy or why should Confederates be
taxed TO nslp pay the Northern pension listS II
those remarks do not come home to roost' then am
Mistaken
Alter brief pause Mr.. Wade continued "a good
share Of the Southern States have repudiated theI
debts. Now. they viii not settle their immediate
Indebtedness Is 1t reasonable to presume that they
the national "a aob .pai was mainly incurred cosrcns
them that they will present pensions to ex-solders
vded they manage TO secure or have placed under
their control the power of doing or not dong2"
"What do you thiuk Of tho results OF the Presidents
Mr. Wade leaned back in his seat and laughed
heartily he thought Of the flourish oftrumpes with
which the order had been issued. and its unofficial
modification when II was plainly discovered that It
would work. Tho ex-Scnator's views agreed
heading "a Changen Then, TOO the Presi.
dent had claimed that he would mako no ap-
pontments." that he would not Interfere in
regard nominations under the civil service rue and
soon there came serious muddlo over tho Cameron
OF the personal graces perhaps he was shrewd
man and "a line man many respects. OLD England
would gain nothing by having HIM, as he might hold
her tauier than she had been hold for years
IL in the Senate when johnson went over the
democrats and Hay es' course appears TO like thai
then pursued. But am opposed to the Presdenri
action Tor broader reasons than have been stated
When selected Mr. Hayes, we did not choose die
tator. His only course should have been to that
the laws OF the country executed, ana the prin
cpes Of his party as LAID down In its platform. were
aud It's noble principles beng in the majority
tho last election, 1t was tho duty of tho executive
by OF that party, to enforce the tenels OF
the republicans There was nothing for Hayes to do
but to say, think Congress ought to adopt such
measure" The words 'Presdonts policy Jared on
Mr.. Wade's ears, President should have sspo.
icyh save that OF the party that elected him. An.
drew johnson The first President who ever talked
oil my policy" 81 have no idea" continued the
ex-senator "Dut that the republican party Will ulti
matcly como forth stronger than ever II can't DO
crwise; there general right about face
when the necessities Of the case are FULLY
realized IL the democratic party can manage the
anairs Of the nation better than the republican
party, let IL do So but my experience is not OF that
kind; II 10 exactly the reverse What improvements
du the democrats accomplish during the many years
that they were powers Then. alter the republicans
succeeded IN winning place, what did the democrats
do IN the advocating OF measuresY During the cRh-
Of their advocating single bill that would DO 0ene-
hSial. The party opposed everything, good or bad,
that brought up by the republicans, and that was
ALL"
"You wore satisfied with Grants administration"
asked.
eyes, SIR" with deep emphasis, al don't believe
George Washington in his time over had more hon.
est and upright administration than that OF Grant"
lie then referred in glowing terms 10 tho manner In
which ex-Presidcnt Grant was conducting himself
while abroad, and said no considered that he was en-
titled all oil the honors that had been showered upon
HIM in England and we're now being bestowed BY
France.