The New Orleans daily Democrat. [volume] (New Orleans, La.) 1877-1880, 1877-11-29
CONGRESSIONAL PROCEEDINGS.
The senate.

CONGRESSIONAL FHOCEEulNSs.
The senate.
wAsatNeros, Nov. 2s. MIR. Thurman objected
TO I 9 consideration of the report of the Com
mttee ON Privileges and Elections
The Chair oserruled the objection.
MI. Thurman appsaled from the decision OF gd
the Chair, aud the Chair was sustained by ~
yeas to 70 nays: Conover voting with the Re-
pubieans. and Mr.. Davis. of Illinois, not
On the motion to take up Kellogg's case for
consideration the vote, stood. yeas 30, nays 30.
AMI the Chair gave tho casting vote in the
yer voted with the Republicans.
Atss a the :, rn,dns tna, , 2 the Iournaa M hd
70 nsaas alter ei be Words novel
that M. O. Butler be sworn in, the words
''whereupon Mr.. Edmunda, objected to the pres
Mr.. Wadleigh said there Was on the table of
the senae q, report from thu Committee on
prssss end one tSat Ksp nj ID sy
to u set ns Senator from Louisiana. and the
other that ii NJ ,spotIord l. entttlod 10 a seat On
moved TO take up for consideration the first
resolution.
!, Mr. Thurman objected. and he did 40 under
the eeeond clause of the eighth rule, that until
the expiration of the morning hour. 1t had be, II
go announced by the Char. that no reports.
bills er petitions should be considered without
Mr.. Edmunda said the Senator from Ohio had
not read the whole of the rule, but omitted to
read ths last clause. which provide that uues.
tions relating TO errdentals were always in
order. except when the prnal was being read
covered this, case, which read, that all uues-
tions Of privileges are always in order, as
aeainet the pr, sentation of bills or pet ions or
Mr.. Thurman said 1t was the duty of the Chair
to decide which Of the :ules should have the
preference. He claimed that as the eighth rule
was framed after the seventh IL was evidently
explanatory and had preference.
Mr.. Bayard claimed hat rule five overruled
consider d by the Sc. ate Until disposed Of. He
claimed THAI that applied TO the first presenta-
ton OF credent'al1 u and naked II tnis was e not
deptials and a continuance of the question of
Mr.. Edmunds said It would be a singular
spectacle IL all the business Of the morning
hours should pe postponed until such an inves:
tigation Of . question OF privilege was disposed
of privilege" and this was another Question of
privilege, and was the second stage of the
After some further debate the Chair dec ded
that the seventh rule covered the casa, and he
would rule that the Senator from New Hamp-
Mr.. Thurman said that In order to test the
question for all time, and not particularly Tor
this question, 10 lei, 1t TO be bis duty to appeal
from the dc isl H. and on this demanded the
yeas and nays, which were ordered. resulting:
yeas 30, nays 2s
take up the report: the vote was taken by yeas
and nays, resulting: yeas 80. nays 30. and the
Caair gave the Casting vote in favor of taking up
Mr.. Thurman moved to amend by striking
owt oil after the words resolved" and insert the
word n. q. Butler be low sworn In as Senator
Mr.. Eimunds said this amendment would
lead to dsban as ns TS r. the main a cues on
Monday will be the first Monday in Deem
Der. the day for the meeting of the regular scs-
could not be m ,de so that they could fix a time
for taking u vote on these questions He would
suggest that the vote in X lloRg's case be taken
on Friday. at D. m and that the vote on But
iers case be taken on saturday at .. m.
MIR Thurman thought that If the other side
was anxious to make nn arrangement they had
negter agree on an ARRANGEMENT to vote on Eus-
It's case which had been ndiny two months
Messrs, Hoar and, Wadeigh said the commit
nv yea sa 'of 9
when they will be ready"
Mr.. Salisbury said that on the 18th inst. it
committees, and Mr. McMi Ian, of Minnesota
immediately moved to adjourn. and they did not
ormaton from the pubshad s ne 1ooS inns IN n
the Eustis case.
The discussion was prolonged in desultory
with sort Of understanding that they We're not
in order. as they were not combining themselves
to @ the ques ion before the Senate
When the Senate called the question on it, the
. vote stood: yeas 80 nays 3o and the Chair gave
the casting vote In the n ga i've.
NJ. Davis OF Illinois. voted with the Demo-
Gratis, and Conover with the Republicans.
MT. Thurman said he must challenge the
right OF the ice Pfes ent to vote on this Gues-
Ion. LII might coma to such point that tho |
vice resident might give the casting vote on |
the qaestion 10 seat Senator ami by giving it |
might give o seat to one applicant or an ther as |
he chose, when the constitution said that each |
house OF Congress shouit be Judge of the uuali- |
ncatlons OF Its own members If the Vice presi- |
dent can givea vote in such cases, it W uld be |
the Vice President who determin. d the qualifi-
cations of an applicant for a seat here.
Mr. Edmund- said this was a most eytraordi-
nTDppp61nE
would zap the climax He rad the clause of
the cansu uiion which declares that when tha
vote is evenly divided on a question he Vice
President shall give the casting vote. and
claimed tnat there was no difference in the
wording of the constitution on a vote by the
hers from that Of his voting on any other Ques-
tfon., He claimed TIL the objection of the Sen
ator from Ohio was not valid one
Mr.. Hoar said he presumed that no one would
claim fhat the Senate was different body when
1t Was determining the qualification of a mem
question, He aida case similar TO ms had
arisen on the 9th of January 1850, when the SEN
ate voted for chaplain. On that occa-
sion Mr.. Butler and Mr. Slictr each re-
Seived thirty V tes.x The Vice Presidenr gave
the casting vote. He read from the Globe to
Show that the ease was debated by Clay, King,
Dougtas and others, and that after the debate
IL was decided that the Vice President had a
right to vote
MIR. Beck said he did not believe there was
any restriction of the vote of the Vice President +
Wnen the Sen ,fe wa, evenly diNited, only that
ln case his vote was not necessary. The motion
Was st Without the vote of the Vice President.
Mr; Eaton said he agreed that the motion
was lost ithout the yO e of the Vice President !