New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1877-11-03

the burglary case There was a lot of us boys to-
gether; we got wrapgling, and there was door
kicked in. nunibero us indicted for burglary
and assault and battery-for kicking in door, The
Distrct-Attorney explained the whole thing through
the Associated Press in 1866. when the affair was
brought up then. 1t was District-Attorney Robert
Lottrdge. of Rensselaer, County he sent the state
ment voluntarily. He said there was nothing in 1t
it was dismissed.
WHO MAKES UP THE OLD sToRTEsf
These charges came from Stanley, Marcus Cicero
Stanley. He gave them to Townsend. / con-
slider Stanley dangerous man, a very
dangerous man. His motives for assailing
me are plain. / once got into a wrangle
with George Wilkes, and Stanley took Wkess
side; and got him turned out Of office he held
under the Government. 1 went to Washington;
brought TO bear all the influence / could. and
got him dismissed. Aud he has given these
things to Townsend now. Kelly, of course,
is in the cOmbinatiOn-the same combination rs Is
running the Tweed investigation here-and they are
trying all they can to beat me. L couId
say some hard things about Townsend, but what's
the use don't want to get into any more personal
disputes about it. 1 want merely to give you
these simple facts to state to you my object In run
ming and to explain my conduct in the Legislature.
DIDN'T GRADUATE. BUT PEOPLE WHO KNEW HIS
BOYHOOD STAND BY HIN.
Now was never charged with stealing in my life,
never; and while was pretty rough youth was
brought up in Troy-though l say it myself, there
are but few people who 90 there to-day and get
as many both rich and poor people to
speak good word for him as l can.
/ haven't had the early advantages which many
other people have had. have had to meet the world
without any advantages, being the only son
among eight children, and father and mother poor.
didn't graduate III college, and some things have
happened to me in my life that wish were other
wise.
ABOUT BEING HIMSELF LAw-BREAKER.
But you were a member of the body which passed
the law prohibiting poo-seng, and still went on
selling pools
Yes; think the law was n fraud. In my judgment
it unjust and called for the destruction Of lot OF
property that nobody asked for For instance jerome
Park lost last year $4,000. The bill asked for the
destruction of 100000 of property. The public
didn't want that. / don't see anything improper in
a mans going to races for amusement and being in
tcrested So on a race. People who don't want
to see races, needn't go there.
THE DANGER OF rAMMANY.
But why do you make such bugbear of Tam
many7
1t Is hard fight for an individual to make against
a very big organization, but | tell you thing,
if Iammany Hall beats me there are a great many
men who viii suffer It's only qucs-
ton of time 1t may not be IN six month
or a year; but when institution with
one man fills every office in the city, and
no man dare say a word against him in the Organiza
ton. it is a dangerous institution. That's the cOnd
ton of Tammany Hall to-day; and recollect there IS
no sincerity in it.
JOHN KELLY's SHAMELESS EXTRAyAGANCE.
Mr.. Kelly was asked to cut down the force in the
Departments and he said he couldn't. Yet there
was the Coroner right along side of hin, drawing
800. 800 year. and he knew it, There was four Of
them drawing 500 900 year, and he says they can't
be cut down. asked him distinctly: Can any
heads of departments be dispensed with, any re-
duction made in any department He said "No.'
The Office of Coroner is only of thousand just
such cases. You have an Excise Board costing
$4,000; it should not be over $4,000.
You have Building Department spending
$4,000 a year; it should not be over $4,000.
There are many offices that should be abolished but
the moment you try to do away with them, they
use all their efforts to defeat you. 1t
looks as if they never would be abolished
The city is in debt one hundred and twenty to one
hundred and thirty Millions There is no limit to
your debt on one side while giving their
property away to escape assessments on the other
| understood that Arnold ~ Constable the
other day. refused to pay the assessments
on thirty-elght lots preferrng to let the title
vert to the city, rather than stand the enormous
taxation. Now what kind of condition is
that to be in There is no other city in the
world in 50 bad a condition. The people don't know
anything about it because they don't investigate.
Mr.. Kelly, you say, refused to cut down any of
these big salariesf
Yes; he was asked by a committee Of the
Senate this precise question: Are there
any reductions which can be made in the
CITY of New-YOrki IIe said 81 think the
fire, police and schOol-teachers can be reduced"
Right on top of that, | asked him, Then.
do | understand you that no Commissioners
in any department can be dispensed with and
no reductions made in any departmental lie
said: "You do: there cannot be-" | didn't
| ask him another question: Mr.. Kelly SAID
| that before the Joint COMMITTEES Of the AS
These Commissioners get % and . o aday and don't
do half a DAVIS work in a week. There's the cOun-
sci for the Excise Board he draws $1,000 a
! year and has never tried a single case
It's a swindle all the way through ana Kelly knows
IL and ,ustains it, He daren't do otherwise. These
| people-the heads of departments-cOntr the gem
eral committee m each district and Kelly sustains
them for that purposc.
What is Tweed's motive in bringing these up
| again nowf
of the whole of the Tweed investigation, which
was got up TO bespatter every man opposed to Tam
many
WHAT Mr. PHELPS SAYS.
A TRIBUNE reporter conversed with Dis