The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1877-09-22


Odd you over have any subsequent con
v"rsatOns with amy thcsr gentlemen to whom
I ,ose amounts had been paldY Al did. with
HE WANTS TO REFRESH HIS MEMORY.
Q.-What members wore reported to you by
Bnrber. or any other lohhy agent. as rccciving
money for the volos whosuhsrqu"ntly, in con-
y"rsrtion IN YOU. practically admitted tho
Ia q A.-That | am not nbc tD state. Tho
matter happened seven years ago. the palt'rs
have All h,rn Il etroy,d and | have no means
of rriroshlns my memory on IT,
Q.-You cannot refresh your memory on Il ?
A-No. AMI II - nm cfle tual way To- prevent
up in Jail. SO thnt "nnnot get to p"Oplr or even
have nr"ss n books which might aid my re-
Q.-Have you named all The Senators You paid
money Ia Tor the VT y for the tax levy of that
ymrY, Al think lhavr. air
INV, " tn regard to1tii.r bills wercthcre
any 9th, bills con '"rnin city or county mat
tors. Other tlnn those YOU nave mentioned
nnrsHd 1n"t year, ior wn a money was nid 70
There were n grcAt many bills granting char
tors Ter city railroads and savin banks and
other things, in winch friends names were in
serted. Smith would stick in Browns nam"
and thon. II there WIS anything in it, Brown
would sell out his share. Something was done
q lave Won mentioned all you paid money
To, as TAR us YOU 'nn r"ulctP AIS far IA
can remember now have.
Q.-1 want you to TIL all YOU can2 Al shall
ns lar ~ AN bui tannot go TO people from
whom mi int rrlr sh my memory. aud those
who would like 10 TIL mo dare not come where
U.-Now. I understand. TINT underline mnnip.
ulaion of the Board Of Audit. many claius
w"r' paid tlut had no foundation IT all. IL that
irur A.-To the best OF my knowledge and be-
Dwell. have YOU been able To refresh your
m 'morv 80 as tn q W. me u list of thu-" irauiu-
lent bills Al told the committee. az In" last
m""inr. that ! would not h" nhr. btw'cn
Tu'-dly AMI Fri " to l't tn" information.
Ny iamily has hHn tose ~" coupl" of days.
hay" had other huS noes OF my own on my
hands. and have NOT hid any opportunity 10
civ IN suhe't tn" attention II requires.
Q.-Nerr .hcrs any cis,'- IN which bills which
" ~, eHtt.al tn an, old Il ,urI of Suunry -tirl
w'rr suits an mt y altered hy iorgcryp A.
Not that know ~ 1t wasn't necessary toIo
IT, and. thcr lore, dom thank u WIS done. We
hnd ~. votes, AMI could pass anything We
pleased.
U-wnnt WIS the NV York Printing Compa-
nv Am oiishot OF the Ifdnscrim nrwspa-
Q-what was that Transcript newspaper?
Alt WIS originally started as "a lc-id paper.
To- publ sh court pro ',''d ms and informant ON
about the courts, aud nitrrward II became tnc
Q.-Wh0 owned il? At WIS started. | be-
lievr. 10y Cornelius Corson and two young GEN
press one ON the Tmies. think. and ono ON the
tribune.
Q-Whnt do you mean by saving the New
York Pr nting Company WINS IN olShout II the
Transcript A.-Aiter the Transcript had been
go H.: som" tim" the two S'ouis got out. OIn
sold his interest tn me and the other sold -
to James u. TAYLOR During war TINES there
was gr NJ deal of printing Ia h' done. blanks.
q. and ~ they had all thu in 'ittcs for II. got
Mr.J. VI. Swrtny and Mr. HUH Smith cam"
Swrrnv VIII n it on his own account but I'M
d r~tuod "a rward tIat he was the rrprcscntt-
tive of his brother. Potter Il.
ALL GETTING RICH.
Q-Ynu nrr t.ukin, about the Transcript AS
So lat on now A.-Yrs. SIR.
Q."T'a' m" the orig iu Of tho y W York Print
ing Company from TINT. A.-Neil. We saw 200.
everybody furnishing stationery iur the city
getting rirh. and W. concluded W. might ~
we'll have some of H. Mr.. Wulur. think IL war.
might rs well do that work and sci that money
Q.~so You formed n company for doing all
Q.-who formed il, a. -Tne same vartics.
don't think james =. Taylor was n it. MT IN
not certain. lA.u'r hearing whisper from a
trend near ~. and seeming to recall some.
| thine.l l,s, think AL the members OF the old
Transcript Association were IN i.
| g-lou did the printing a. tinterruptingl
| -Tnon from that came another oilAhoot-the
Mnnuia,turing s,aiionrrs' Company.
| Q.-Nhu dad they iurn shf A.-Stationcry
! Of all kinds To- tn" different departments.
| Q.-And Tor this work aud stationery YOU rom
1865 or 'Ge, nm not surr which. blli was
passed 10y the Board 81 Supervise q rect ing
the COMPTROLLER Ia pay tue bills al the N"w YORK
| Printing Company. on the cert aton of the
| clerk Of the board. and they did not have 10 20
| before the board.
| Q-That WAS sufficient 10 authenticate and
| audit any bA of the Nv York Prinun, Conn
pany-thr simpl. ccriln,alion OF tho clerk OF
| H.. boardy A.-That VS. 1t.
| Q-And after that the bills were presented u
tn ,l,.rA and cori,il Il hy himf AYES
Odd IN" board receive any money 10 in.
! dur them 10 Ihis- that general orilrry Al
think not; hai passed because was inter
cs, ii IL the company some.
Q-Wrre those hils passed. 10y Tho clerk
| fraudulent or bona Hide hiA-f A.-Th"y were
! bills for which | presume there WIS some
q wrr.. they greatly in cxccss' A.-wcII
/ T. III Ia i "a
Q-,,"n.riv - per cent added 20 tho fa.,
OF Ia" bilif Al do not know cNa, tly. hut
| suppose 80. ! never ~iiW ~" hls mud" out. W.
eut very heavy dNld ends nitN. sixty. or seventy
| nyr thousand dollars q yrarto each fifth. Tu'
| 1har = wcienlt od ally divided. Some owur.
| portions of the stock. hut tho dividends were
Sh hav stated 10 each NTH,
| ,a.-Nht WAS tue capital Of the NV iorl
| Pr ming tompanyf Any impression Is tina
GLOW were those Il ividends declared? A.
W"u. Mr. Wilbur had enti r. chnrgr oi the iinan
riul matters. and after he came IN pO~snsS on -
the money he would divide around with us VIVA
| hr Thought was rignt.
Q.-Tlicrc was no meeting of the Directors
A.-Not that know OF.
O.-Whrrr dld the Vow York Printing Com
pnny keep its iAnk account 49, thlnA. -
| Ile Broadway Bank, AMI short tim" At tn
| Tenth Nat onal. n snort tim" the @ can Bank
amt u short time w.th the Guardian SaSin.
Bank.
o. call your attention. Mr.. Tweed, to chap
t,r 81 of the laws of 1871. Will YOU look at
REVISED Statu.sI A-llpturnlns the boOA.l
have looked II over casually. SIR.
Q.-NOw. Mr.. Tweed. this 10 AN act in rotation
to the Widening and straight nlng OF Broadwhl
in the city of New YORK, and 10 regulate tn
practice IN that proceeding. DO you know q
any money being used IN connection with ia
passage OF thHt at Al do not know any
thIn- about that act al all.
Odd you meyer know anything about Il
A.-Nothlng Kept that II passed. and crrni"
errjll deal of "A''t 'mrnt ut the time. do n,
think ever know ANYTHING particularly hhou
tho matter. AMI am satisfied that | could ~
call my mind 10 II now.
ILLEGAL PRACTICES.
o. asked You at n former session whctho
you would ho anlc To- re- rtsh your memory :
TINT YOU could testify ~ to those leases io
Hrmorlrs ana drlll rooms concerning whlc
thrrc were Illegal practices. A-Thcre wcr
illegal practices about almost all of them.
think | would speak properly II / sand all {
them.
Q-Wcll. should like, Mr.. Tweed. FOR you
look over the records and testify rs 10 su h
those leases for drlll rooms and armories Il
your memory now enables You 10 say wei
fraudulent A.-lAft"r a somewhat protractc
I examination Of rrcoris.l Here is one. ol ~
find her, that There is "A lease Of the premise
l4l to li7 East Fuurternlh street for $50 900 pt
Annum. from Charles johnson. George ShcI
hard, and +. A. Palmer. also, from the sam
, parties premises PSI la 2S7 Ninth avenue. an
| 40 W,st Twenty seventh street, from Jun