Vermont watchman and State journal. [volume] (Montpelier, Vt.) 1836-1883, 1877-08-29
Mr.. Bliss RejOinder.

No'Ts Fdiors'I cannot suppose that you
will demand Of me an apology for seeking the use
81 your columns to defend myself against the
wholly unproyuked examinations and misrepre-
sentations Of your agricultural editor lie has
followed up my correction of his former article
with several direct OF indirect personal filings at
me which have not deigned to notice. but he APP
pears again under the caption, "Mr Douglas and
Deep Setting" and makes some statements which
demand correction
In the first place, the charge that Z" Mr.. Bliss
writes Mr. Douglas brother" Is not true. MIR.
n Is, Douglas has, on several occasions, rs have
met him. undertaken to tell me the history ofMr.
+. d. Douglas system Of setting milk; but knew
the history from other sources, and did not feel
willing even indirectly, to lend any encourage
ment to the unhappy arrangement and bitterness
existing between the two brothers. The original
article Of MIR Hoskins was repuhlished in the
Middlebury Register, where Mr. Douglas saw it,
and without any motion or solicitation on my
part he sent me the letter As 1t was evidently
his design that it should be published, after not
little hesitation sent it to the wATcHMAN for
that purpose
Mr.. IIoskins SAYS Mr. Bliss knows rs no one
knows better that Mr. Douglas always stated
That Is not true / will not discuss the point here
but give Mr.. Douglas own words taken from his
letter to the Country Gentleman Of July 90, 1875,
which squarely contradict the statement OF Mr..
Ilo-kius. Mr. u. says. "Hc, Bliss, also proceeds to
arraign me before the public as n cheat, by pre-
senting new aud previously unheard Of version Of
the origin of the -o-caed Douglas system, aud
version which squarely conflicts in every particular
trttI
made during the last five years-at the second
meeting of the so-caed Vermont Dairymens As
ISOLATION held at Burlington in January, 1871, and
afterward at a meeting Of the same society, held
at st. Adams, in 1873 which statement may be
found on pages ~ and - OF your correspondents
own report Of that meeting"
just week before Mr. Douglas read his
first paper before our association | read one be-
fore the American Dairymen's Association at
Utica, ~ Y. An abstract of it was published in
the Utica Heraid and, by request that abstract
was read in our meeting ~ a part OF the discus
sion which followed the reading Of Mr. Douglas
paper 1t may be found on pages 70-77 of my
second report. have not time or space for ex-
tracts. 1t will appear that although have never
set up any particular claim for credit for it, and
am not especially proud Of it, am fairly upon the
record as ante-dating Mr. Douglas in the advocacy
of deep-setting nearly a whole year, instead Of
following him or favoring his ideas But recon-
mending without great and distinct limitation,
the use of deep pals in pools and dry vaults was
acting, as afterwad learned at great cost upon
erroneous information Of the principles which nm
dere all successful practice Though | had
drawn my information from well approved au-
thorities, soon found out that there was an in
congruity somewhere. In attempting to reconcile
the different results from different experiments
found To use the words of Colonel Waring, that
there was " more in this question than any fellow
had yet been able to find out, and doubt II any
one among Us has the definite knowledge neces-
sary for n positive statement pro or con-" COM
menced a long and thorough investigation of the
subject and procured a large number Of expert
ments To he conducted under my own direction
| H. as Messrs llo-kns and Douglas delight to tell
the public, " sometimes have one cow am
| more fortunate than either of them in having u
| very large number Of friends who have cows and
appliances, and are always ready to place them
at my service for experimental purposes. While
| sometimes have one COW" lhave ten thousand
at my service for experimental purposes, with
many Of the needed appliances, etc, thrown in.
The result of all my research was to establish the
fact past all possibility Of doubt that deepsetting
never under the most favorable circumstances
gives any better results, pound for pound than
shallow under equally favorable conditions, while
the varying conditions under which expert
mens had been conducted showed conclusiyely
that in almost every case there was liability To
loss brought this subject before the public in
various ways, and finally, in answer to cores
pendent of the country GenueDpm, | pronounced
the deep-setting theory, abstract principle
I to be a humbug. And yet during all this time
have always recommended its use under certain
favorable conditions and did 50 in the very article
which nightly stirred up the deep-setters
No ~ stem part of system which has come
! before the public has failed to receive the most
= thoroughly critical examination and trial, and
t fully believe I have overcome the chiefest OBJ
, stacles to success. My arrangement for using
water, or ice or both for controlling the tempera
t ture of the milk, gives the operator the most posi-
tive and economical control of the milk of any in
use BY it the very best results attainabe by
deep-selting are secured, but they are not one
whit superior to those secured by the same pro
cess applied to shallow-setting
Mr.. Hoskins charges me with claiming Ia be al
= authority in butter making The charge is frivo
|
: never made or set up any such claim in any man
ner or form, and never sought any such recogni
: ton by word or act.
, After making the statement that Douglas com.
pletely demolished Bliss in the Country Gentle
: man controversy over deep and shallow set
l ting" Mr.. lioskins goes ON to say, MIR Hardin
t of Kentucky, then followed with challenge t,
test the relative merits Of deep and shallow settinl
by an actual trial by disnterested committee, tn,
beaten party to pay the expenses Of the trial Bis
would not accept this proposition, but put forth
another that n trial should be made by some on
unknown to the other parties living in his owl
: eglborhood. This is the challenge of whicl
Q he boasts. OF course it was not accepted, and o
course Bliss goes To reitrrate his misstltemen
: wherever he thinks he may reach with them pei
4 sons unacquanted with the facts" The Who'll
e statement from beginning to end is false 1t
7 true that Mr. Douglas event for me - in the man
$ ner characteristic of himself and Mr. Hoskin,
4 and suppose ought in Difference to him to hay
d considered myself demolished. As To Mr. Hal
din's challenge there is no truth in the statement
Il In the Country Gentleman of July 10th, 1875 b,
e fore MIR Hardin came to the front at ALL invite
challenged, If that suits better, trial or trial
e as follows: 1.-The lamoilleNaley butter and chees
. factory at West Milton, Vt. have all the faciitiC
Is for testing this question by experiment. wi
IN Jay an even share with Colonel Waring Of the e,
y pense Of one or forty experiments To be made
II get at the facts in the premises or will pay IL
whole expense if the result is In favor Of deel
Is setting, provided Of course that he shall pay II
e the other case" There was nothing whatev,
II said about who should conduct the experiment
e And it was only suggested AS regards the pa,
|. that the West Milton factory had all the needt
t, appliances The challenge was more particular
Is addressed to Colonel Waring, and he wrote me
If private note declining 10 enter upon any tria
n About the same time he Published a note
< the country Gentleman showing that he ha
4 no faith in the experiment | then made Il
l. challenge general, but 1t was never accepted
d anybody, and as have before said went ON
Is make the experiment at my own cost NJ
Reeder Of Pennsylvania, meantime makil
experiments in the use of common pans again
ilardin's system and published the results Tn
drew out challenge from Mr.. Hardin In II
Country GeHaeJndn Of August 18th, 1875, n mon
after mine, lie says; The matter of challen
- is this II the committee report in favor of shl
/ low-setting at high temperature, then am
y pay the cost OF the trial; and should they repo
"A In favor of deep, coid setting then the party
in cepting the challenge is to pay the cost" Tn