The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1877-12-20

O. Did your father tell you or anybody else tell you
and that the broker said nc GOT them from you
A. He lid not; but heard the story.
O Was 1858 or 1854 the family went 70 EuropeS
A. / think it was pretty near that time.
Q DO you remember Doctor Linsy telling you In
your iathsrs study that you had taken them and that
you sold them to the brokerf A. l remember tho
Doctor told me that within the last two years;
paid no attention 10 IL, because thought the story
O. Al any time within the last twenty years did
you hear OF any such charge being made by your
fatherf A. No, sir, not until the last two OF three
o How many times have you been arrested in civil
suits in which you have been charged with fraud
A. have been arrested three times, think.
Q Have you been arrestcd tour times by Deputy
shsrin McCullganf A. don't know the man.
Q. Would you know him II you saw himS A. !
don't think ! should; they are class OF people
don't particularly fancy.
q Have YOU been arrested Al many a. thirty times
on civil suits? A. No, sir; think not
HORACE GREELKY's cLAIM
Q During the time you iived ~ Connecticut did you
A. owed some money.
q Al tue time OF the death OF Horace Greeley did
you owe his estate some money, ana II how muchy
A. At the time went into bankruptcy owed Mr.
Greeley some money that borrowed OF him; he sent
back 10 him.
Q How much did you borrow A. think it was
q. DO you know that It not something like
$40 DOOR "A. think It was $40. 00o.
Ds %ss M s.s SSSy
O. Did you, individually, ever give them anythnRy
A. No individually did not
o. About 1875 what was tho amount OF your debts2
A. Well, leaving Mr.. Greeley out OF the question, 4
think they amounted 10 100000
then A. Il was ABOUT sac. 600
O. Do you think you owed $i50000 A. think
did not
o. Have you any means of ascertaning how much
LOTTERY MAN.
@. Do you know Mr. Simmons the lottery man, and
do you owe him anything2
Mr.. Lord objectad.
Mr. Clinton sait that he could not at this period
disclose his object in putting that question: He would
say, however, that there would be DISCLOSED one OF
the rankest conspiracies that ever loot IN
the history OF Jurisprudence. Mr. Clinton then asked
Sir. Lord II he still continued his objection.
Mr.. Lord Withdrew his objection
q. Do you owe Zachariah summons, the lottery man.
any money! A. suppose l do
q. Can you tell how much within 100000? A.
never borrowed any such sum.
O. Can you tell within $75O0os A. Yes, can
4 Can you tell how mucnS A. don't owe hun any
sucn sum AS that.
bill. A. may owe him some $lO, 900 or $4,000
Mr.. Clinton--Will you swear you don't owe him
S2O,O 600? A. Vas, sir, | WILL
o. VIII you state any nearer than between 81, 900
ana 900 that you owe him A. Well, II is about
$1,000; have never kept an account OF my indebted
ness 10 Mr. simmons; he has ali my notes. and they
Will snow themselves what owe him.
O. DO you know the value OF the promissory notes
you have gwen MN A. dont mink owe him
more than $4,000.
q ask 90 you know the amount OF your proms-
sury not.sY A. Well l could not say the amount;
the notes have interest on them.
O Well what was the principally A. / think It was
only $1,000
O DO YOU remember what year these notes were
given 10 himY A. During my married life
O. When did you last see himY A. think l saw
him Moncay.
O. Where did you hims A. He called at my
house
o Where is that? A. / think 1t is No 1892 Fifth
avenue
rooms there.
O. Where else have you seen Simmonsr A. At his
business place, AZ the northeast corner Of Broadway
Fulton street,.
o. were you intimate with him In 1897 A. Yes,
have been tie habit OF visiting him often; he has
years. ~
O. Have you ever visited gambling houses with
him A. No. sir; was never IN y gambling hell in
my lie.
u Has he lent you any money within the last six
mouthsy A. think have borrowed some OF him.
O. How much. A. l SHOULD have rcior 10 my
books TO tell tho amount
O Have you borrowed any money from him for the
purposes oil this trial? A. 1 don't lhnk have.
q. Have you not used money Tor the expenses OF
this trial which you nave got from Zacharian SIM
mousY A. ! dou't know: generally carry somc
money in my pocket; cannot tell whether used his
money or my own.
o. Did you any of the witnesses this trial at
Summons pace, corner OF Fulton street and Broad.
wayY A. don't mink saw any oil the Witnesses
there.
The witness was then asked TO hs seeing Mrs.
CALDWELL before she testified he said he had
her Ut Newark N. j. some time ago, IN reference To
her testimony. He said that he had also seen Other
witnesses.
Al tins point the Court adjourned uutif Fridav.
morning AT cieven O'Clock