The New York herald., 1877-10-19

and Elections; and said he no, that voting to
seat Mr.. spoNord would be equivalent to voting
thai Nr. kellSgs moi entitled TO his seat Il II
was right IN March last thai ths subject should DO IN
quirec INTO he :aiiod 10 Why right now TO
decide u without Inquiry Senators were asked TO
say oy their votes againsi the substitute OF the seua-
tor IRON oregon tNr Nichc that Mr kellosg's cro-
cehlias were altogether wrong anc should have been
rejected on the spot Mr. kcllogg's credentials on
Their lace certainly bore evidence OF being valid
Inc senators on one SIDE oi the chamber sad iast
spring the matter needed inquiry; now these same
Senators sac the Louisiana Senatorshp ought 70 be
decided 0thoui inquiry ~ all
Mr. MITCHELL, lrep. 0. oregon. spoke IL regard 20
Tue requisites Tor prima 'acie case ana 3uotcc from
previous arguments Of senators on the Louisiana case
He argued inat Mr.. spoords credentials DID not con
stiIute priina iace case upon which he should DO
sworn H. The recorG OF the senate confronted that
view. Tina; record showed tna, credentials IN due
form bad been presented by another person from
Louisiana PRIOR to Mr Sponord. The Senate sitting
As ulica body had that these credentials
mrs, presented should 80 TO the Committee on Prvi
lcges aud Elections 10 Dc investigated. These facts
destroyed the prima sacie case Tar as Mr Sponord
was concerned
Mr. BAYARp, OF Delaware, said he did not fesl dis.
posed 10 deain he senate IN discussing the LOUISIANA
case, because The facts wei! known 10 every
ono There was to-day, ana there was when Mr.
Sponord was elected senator, bu, one body IN Louis
lana having the right 10 eject senator aud but one
Governor having the right certiy TO hls election.
He argued that MI. Sponord had prinia iacie case,
and, aludng TO the condition Of uiars in Louisiana
as existing AZ present sand tue Senate must take cog
nizance OF all pubic acs Ii there ever was timo
when was Tor the interest OF the Commonwealth that
discussion should emu surely that lime had come The
American people received an absolute aud hna settle
mont he tMr. Bayardl knew how nearly balanced
legged senators 10 believe him when he declared THAI
he wouc not Oy any questionable act give the weight
OF his little huser 70 obtain power tor the party ~itn
which he acted. The man was bind who did not see
thai the drift OF pubic opinon tins country
against ali political schening Did not the interest OF
this country require That the best energies OF every
Senator sbouh be bent behalf OF the people, and
those passions aroused uy party strife DO nushed
There need OF further argument. There was
need OF further evidence III this Louisiana case.
Senators could not turn thor backs 10 acts which
one denied.
Mr HOWE pcp.) OF Wis, said Louisiana had rights.
She haa right to be represented this floor, and he
HAD been party .hc denial OF that right TO
her In March last Mr. Kellogg here Of
her citizens Ginning To have been commissioned by
the state TO act as her senator When that claim was
presented twenty nine Senator'S were convinced that
MI Kellogg had the right to as Senator from Louis
iana out ,hrty-hve senators we're not satisfied upon
that point ana voted 10 rcier his ciaim 70 the commit
tee. lie fMr Howe had been satisfied with the
practice OF the Senate 10 seating his prima
iacie case and then allowing majority 10 unscst hm.
The Senate had the rgat to inquire tho election
and qualifications OF Us own members, ana claimant
once admitted should not oc nnscatcd except by q
two-th rds He favored tho rcicrcnco the
dcntias oil Mr. Spohord 70 the committee Tor invest
CATION
Mr. CHRisrIAscY, (rep.) OF Mich, SAID he intended
10 be governed by tue law IN this and by nothing
ose; aud IN coming 10 conclusion he proposed 20
disregard entirely the existence OF parties In this
country He did understand all the iacts in thus
Louisiana matter and was not sufficiently posted TO
give an intelligent vote upon tho merits Of tho ques
ton. lie did not wish to be driven TO vote until he
had had the opportunity OF asceraining all The acts.
At the last session OF tho senate he voted 10 refer the
credentials OF Mr. kellogg TO the Committee on
Privileges and Elections, aud hc aid the same
renson that he would to-day for tho reference Of
those oil Mr. Sponord. II the same contest. Hav-
ing voted tor The reference set OF crcdcntals
be consistent he must vote tor the reference OF tho
other
THE VOTE
The question being the substitute OF Mr.. Mitchell
| to refer the credentials s Mr Spoiord TO the Com
mittec on Privileges and Elections, II agreed to-
Nj.
YEAs-siessrs Allison, Anthony, Blaine Booth, Bruce.
Burnside cameron q rennsyysp,a, Cameron Of Miseon
Dorsey Ea%and; Ferry ham,in ncr love ins",s
Morrill, osossy, faadocs Patterson r.a@b Rollins
gent, saunders spencer. Teller and Waalegh-so.
Beck coekreii, Coke Davi, Il,nos, Dav.s Of IVES;
Mere. MeonaS acrherson Msramon mar
|hyte aud Wiihcss ss"'' '''' ''S''
Mr. WINDOW, who would have voted in the anrma-
tive was parci with Mr. Johnston, who woul0 have
voted IN the negative.
| MOTION TO INSTRUCT
| Mr.. WHYrE, OF Maryland submitted the following
! rs an amendment to mo RESOLUTIONS referring the
credentials, &c:-
! LIST day Of November, is77
| Mr.. MiTcuktL (wbo is acting chairman oil the com
mittccl said he was AFRAID that would not give the
committee time enough.
Mr.. wnyrr said the Kellogg case referred to
the committee lust Marcn. Since then events IN
Louisiana had crystaii!zed tnat the whole matter
was now embraced in very narrow compass. IL
should not take any committee longer than two or
three days to settle the whole matter Tho chairman
oil the committee tMr. Morton) III, and II tho
committee was not instructed by the senate the In
vestigation might be postponed until his recovery.
Mr WApLEiGu, trcp) Of n. H., said II IL was ex-
peced by tie senate AZ the decision OF the Commit
tee Oh Privileges apd Elections this case should DO
bnal It was askng too much OF tho committee TO re-
! port by November |. lt'mght be that he, rs men,
ber OF the committee, would not come to the conclu-
| sion that the removal Of State government IN
Louisiana by military force could settle Tor the senate
the question OF who was entitled 70 seat therein He
dd not think the White ccgue of louisiana, with ITS
| bayoDets, rcvolvers and guns, could decide Tor him
VINO was entitled TO seat In the senate from that
State But for the pressure OF .he league the Pcckard
government would Eavc remained the government IN
TACT AS he believed It was in law. lie argued that Tho
proceeding under which Kellogg was elected Senator
valid and correct form. The testimony 10 tho
louisiana case covered thousands Of pages. and the
committee could not examine all OF II and report 10
the Senate by November l.
Mr. EDMuNDs inquired Of tho Senator from Mary
land tMr Wnytcl II hu mad any knowledge OF tho
ate having adopted resolution instructing COM
mitcc when 10 report lie sMr Edmunds) had been
taught TO believe that the adoption oi sucu csolu
| ton would be virtually siIront 10 the committee
The Senate might as well say that the committee
should report Immediately as TO say shouid report
by the lst OF November Was IT thought best not
TO inquire into anything about VINO was the legally
elected senator IRON LOUISIANA but to take the last
chap VINO appeared as the true ssinty That might be
democratic doctrine but nc did not agree 10 IT, Tnc
redress Tor any undue delay OF committee vas found
IN the rules OF the senate, which authorized any Sen
alor al any time 10 move that committee uo DIS
charged from further consideration OF subject II he
thought there had been Unnecessary delay In consider
| ing IL
Mr.. GORDON, idem.l OF ga, inquired II any day
could be nxcd ior tie committee report on the Gre
denmls OF Mr. Sponord
several Senators the republican sidc-No, mono
whatever.
/ Mr. THURMAN said at u,no since 1873 nad the
State oil Louisiana more than senator TINS noor.
lie referred to the various Investigations IN regard TO
that state, aud said that alter all these years ol
inquiry, We are tod that this abe committee cannot
make report by the lst OF November. Every mate
rial lact bcore the senate already, senators
we're simply shutting Their eyes 10 the testimony TO
| say thcy could not decide THIS case what was the
reason this attempt TO postDone tho matser' Was
II intended to postpone II Tor iour ycarss Was there
dread OF collision upon the railroadf if there was
dread oi The smashing OF cars ihey head To
head the same track could not why twas SO
| cssentiai 10 postpone the matter
Mr.. EDNuSDs SAID lie did not understand what tho
Senator meant by his paraphrase about railroads.
sir THURMAN said he would attempt to ex-
PLAIN aIytcing 10 The senator from Vermont which
uian oi most ordinary comprehension could under-
stand such an attempt would be an insult TO MS Ia.
| tclligcncc
Mr.. EDnuSDs said the Senator's on his SIDE OF The
Chamber were not runners oi any railroad at AL.
They always iabored promote the interests OF the