The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1877-03-28
WENDELL PHILLIPS INTERVIEWED.

From the Philadelphia Times, March 27J
The interviewer found Mr. Philips ready and willing
to undergo the operation.
Tho question that most Immediately interests the
public mind 1t suggested, tho withdrawal Of tho
troops from South Carolina and Louisiana.
Said Mr.. Phillips, in answer:-"I think n Hayes
wthdraws the troops he breaks his implied promise
the nation and TO the party that elected him. The
section OF the republican party that elected him
the Bloody Shirt aud II ne had announced that he
would repudate that section he would have been
elected There is no practical difference between him
and Tidcn II he withdraws tho troops Tden couldn't
have done more, and the SOuthcrncrs couldn't have
asked Tildcn 10 have done any more"
'But did not hls letter OF acceptance indicate wisc
and generous policy toward the South, OF which the
withdrawal OF the troops would be important part
ut was never understood that Ia his letter OF ac-
ceptance he promised to withhold tho hand OF the
United States from the South II such was the
dcrslandina no could never havo been elected 1t
understood TO ioreshadow wise and generous
policy, and That is what everybody Wishes"
What do you understand by
a GENEROUS PoLIcyY
sit would be TO give the southern men every recog
milton and share of olIico who were wiling TO
operate with The government and ut the same time
keep tho hold on them with the troops"
Being asked whether TINS bayonet rule did not con-
fict with every principle Of free government Mr..
~ consider tho South to be in an abnormal con-
dition--in a transition state Tho reign Of law and
order has not begun there and II Is necessary that
should be used 10 keep peace order that tho
evidence Of peace--the great elements OF civilization,
Law, capital and labOr-may work their course.
''Have not already had twelve years or the gov
eminent OF iorceY"
..No We have never had a trial OF tho experiment
The first mistake was the admitting of the States as
States when they should have been kept Territories.
They were admitted on the pledge that the white
Southcrners would cooperate with the government
heartily It's new course oil destroying all distinctions
of race unsolicited the white South promised do
Sho has always claimed 10 DO the gentleman OF tho
country she stands perjured aud false these
solicited oaths II is worse than absurd 10 trust
to the promises OF such men, The black man 10 tho
only element the country that has done Its whole
duty. The South Is a lion and tue North is cowed.
Tue negro has iased all prophecies that he wouldnt
work, the productions Of tho Southern States
more now than before the war Az a citizen he has
shown wisdom ana courage IN standing at every sacr.
hce, by his friends. The North has more than half
forgotten him. II she now withdraws the troops sbo
leaves him victim without protection in the position
10 which she summoned hifn-pot ON n sense OF ius-
tcc, but to save hersoIfa military necessity. Ii
withdraw the troops murder aud intimidation Will
rue there. The white Southcrncr has been cunning
enough to part with very little land Tho negro IN
general IL nero laborer He can be easily starved
into submission II, under such circumstances,
withdraw the troops the revolver and the bowcknife
will be the real legislators OF that section, and there
will be republican State south OF the Potomac; the
next Congress and the next President will be demo
cratic the first Of the South will be TO get
In some way a billion dollars from The national
Treasury. She was never taught 10 earn her living,
but always stole 1t rom somebody else Her encour-
agcmcnt Of iawess violence has driven away capital
and labor and she must Ill up her empty VEINS from
the national Treasury IN the shape OF loans States
railroads without interest," pensions to Confederate
sodicrs cotton damages and payment OF State debts
IL is easy TO cludc the constitutional prohibition and
steal the national funos."
But what would the North be doing all this while 2"
"Doing? Just what Hayes Is dong--takng non
sense, sentiment pouring out gush. II Hayes policy
oonciiiatng tho South by submitting it's carried
out, hc will be new Andrew Johnson. Tho first
cost thousand million dollars and put back the
nations progress twenty years. and the second will DO
equally costly"
'Has the result OF carpctbag government reflected
against tho capacity OF the Southern blacks for self
govcrnmeatf" was here asked
.'When tho ended" replied Mr.. Phillips, ''tho
North invited Wade Hampton and hts class assume
the leadership of the south, and they scoicd ut
Then canc Andrew Johnson and the Ku Kux. North
ern men and capital had been eager TO South
forty years before they moved West; the wave
checked; honest business men ana mechanics
shrank from going. The element that went
anxious 10 make something out OF u dis
turbcd world, and tho result has been what
have Where lies the iaultY Not with tho
North that would willingly have welcomed The South
white man TO hs place and maintained h ia there,
bat with tho Southern white man who left the empty
chambers TO he flied with devils when begged and
urged that they should be crowded with honest n
political education, and cunning political leaders took
advantage Of him and msled him; IL rs our fanlt and
not his detect"
In conclusion, Mr. Phillips repeated that when tho
white South refused to take their natural place and aid
the new national departure the states should have
been Kept as Territories. governed from Washington,
In the full view OF national oversight Horny Wilson,
he said, admitted to him two years before his death
that this the great republican mistake and his
only apology that the repuS cans feared that
unless they risked rcadmtting the States tho demo
Gratis would outvotc them