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sew oRLEASs, sUNDAY, JUNE 1871
A LESSON FOR IRrSRMEN
OPINIONS OF ENGLISH STATESMEN IN FAVOR
OF IRISH INDEPENDENCE IN 17o2.
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thinking, and wouid stffke cesote spSShioB'
that nothing can be done for Ireland by con-
stitutiopsl or pacific means. We ask these to
read the words of the King of England and
his state smep, when compelled by the splendid
brain of Henry Grattan to acknowledge the
right of Ireland to independence in 1852. Up
to the last moment, the Irish measure was re-
$iected with socrn, as the Home Rule motion
recently been. But Henry Grattan, an
honest patriot, never ceased to strike the
ssnme blow, with his Protestant volunteers be-
hind him, until he forced the English Parlia-
Inent to acknowledge his oo1ntry's indepen-
dence. Let him who judges by appearances
read the following words, and consider the
lesson of the precedent:
THE WORDS OF KING GEORGE.
On the 11th of April, 1882 message from
the king was read to the House of Lords
earnestly recommending to the house to take
into their most serious consideration the pre-
Willing discontents which existed among his
loyal subjects in Ireland, in order to such o
fnal adjustments as may give mutual satisfao-
tion to both kingdoms"
LORD sHELBuRNK SAYS IRELAND's RIGHT TO
INDEPENDENCE IS IRRESISTIBLE.
Lord Shelburne, then the ministerial leader,
reviewed the condition of ireland at great
length, fully according to- them the rights
and, on the 17Gh CT May following, said, in
reference to the same subject, "Irsland has de-
manded, in the fret place, a free constitution,
which they could not Le said to enjoy while
they were subject to laws not made by their
own consent. How it came TO pass that su oh
q control (Poyning law) should exist in q
country similar in all respects to this, and
formed exactly on the model of ours. it was
easy from history to trace. This claim for
legislative rights had always been made; and
now that Ireland was united, religions dis
putes all composed, growing in wealth and
strength, and fast improving in all the arts OF
peace, it was impolitic, it would be unjust,
and he believed he might appeal to their
lordship's conviction, that it would be impos-
sible to resist their claim" The noble earl
then moved among other resolutions, that sit
is indispensable to the interest and happiness
them should be established by mutual con-
SAINT, upon q solid and permanent footing"
TIE EARL OF CARLISLE SAYS IRELANDH HAS NEVER
LOST THE RIGHT TO BE INDEPENDENT.
The Earl of Carlisle approved of the mo.
tics and spoke of the honorable conduct of
the volunteers, and said, Had he been less
persuaded than he was, that Ireland had
never relinguished it's right of free legislation,
which he know they neither had nor could
give up, he should still have thought it was
wise to acoede to their claim, because, from
the gratitude and affection of the country,
and the wisdom of their parliament much
more advantage would arise to this country
than by maintaining any offensive and ILL
founded pretentions to q control over them.
Lord Loughborough supported the motion,
and was followed by Lord Camden, who spoke
Sof the Irish; that no Laws could be just but
such as had the consent of the people |; the
Irish parliament not only echoed the voice of
IL brave and armed, but q generous people. 1t
Ewas mot q time to fslter, it was not time to
hesitate, TO delay, to stand on nice forms. The
demands were made, ard he dreaded what
Lord Loughborongh again rose, and said
The right of the English parliament to bind
Ireland onght never to have been asserted
much less exercised"
ported -the resolutions heartily, declaring that
nothing would content the Irish but full and
specific recognition of their right to legislate
for tbemselv es, and to acknowledge the power
of no foreign judicature or Legislature what
ever
The Duke of Chandcs spoke on the same
side.
THE IRISH NOTION Is CARRIED.
The Duke of Richmond said the resolutions
were maintainable on the ground of policy
and justice, and disclaimed the imputatIon of
agreeing to them from fear. The question in
favor of the legislative independence Of Ire
land was then pnt, and carried unanimously
with the exception of one dissentien
son the following 81 of June. debate oc-
promptitude with which an upright ministry
could render justice to Ireland A delay of
two hours in preparing bill, after receiving
dispatches from Ireland, having been made
the subject of comment, the Earl of HILLSIDE
rough reminded their lordships that three |
weeks had elapsed since both houses had al |
most unanimously (with a single negative
only in the upper) agreed to resolutions for |
the relief of Ireland one of. which was that |
the act of George the FIRST ought to be repeal
ed.
"On the third reading of the bill, on the
18th of June, the Earl OF Abingdon expressed |
his cordial concurrence in the bill for repeal,
and regretted that what had been done was |
not sooner done from the plain conviction of
its rectitude. The bill then passed without
opposition.
THE EARL OF ABINGDON ON ENGLISH UsUR-
PATTON.
"The Earl of Abingdon afterwards, the
9Th of Jaly, observed that nothing would be
left undone by ministers. in adjusting the
claims of Ireland upon this country. Those
claims were not only listened to by the present
but were handsomely, literally,
and manfuly acceded to by them in every
Particular. 4 cay manfully, my lords, because
in some cases il is as much q test of manhood
to give away as to demand : and concluded by
saying that the Parliament Of Great Britain
has nothing to do with the internal legislation
Of Ireland, nor of right ever had what it has
hitherto usurpedly exercised it has now hon
orably surrendered
THE GREAT DEBATE IN THE HOUSE OF COM.
MONS.
In tho debate in the Commons on the 10Th
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