New-York tribune., 1877-05-02


public whether it could be made use Of in any way
saw Mr. 'OR Rwesd SeDs at a0'nS s and n1 "' after Mr.
Townsend said 10 me that he wished to
OF the policy trying make any OF Tweed
what the p1hiic sentiment was on the snhjectLand
among others Mr. Kelly with whom had business
in the Controllers Once in the Gty OF New York, and
other also consulted with tn Corporation Counsel of
New-York and Mr. Phelps District Attorney, IN regard
to tho matter, all in an Official manner Ms affecting the
Q. Were these conversations understood by you be
confdenall A. Well they were considered to be official
cOnyers tions that 10 be published; did not
suppose they would be- don't know that ever said To
be repeated; don't think | did; presume | did not
think II necessary 10 say
O. You assumed thati A. Yes Of course the commit
tee must know that whatever do Officially in this mat
ter must do with entire regard 10 the public Interest
fortified. and satisfy mad as lawyer; should waU
cOrrobOratns circumstances enough TO sassy my mind
lawyer that it would proper for do such
paper as that Is not evidence and would not amount TO
anything.
TESTIMONY OF JOHN MoRRssEY.
John MoTissey was sworn: l. 4 Senator; Is a Demo
crat in Albany during the session Of The LcSslo-
ture in 1870 nearly three months opposed 90 what
known the Tweed Charter; belonged to what
termed the Young Democracy" In 1870, shortly after
the legislature met there organized In the city Of
New-YOTk 20 my louse, what was aftcrward known
the Young Democracy At the first meeting
there were seven persons, / think: Mr. Genet Sir
Norton. Mr.. OBr.en, who was sncrih, Judge Cox,
Judge McQuade, aud myself, and that orglni1a-
tion started from that meeting IL was opposition
- the charter which M'Ssrs. Tweed, swceny o. had
either introduced then wcrc about TO Introduce It
had many arbitrary powers in H. and WAS taxing nearly
al the power away rnn the people. We agreed 10 op
pose H. About tcn days atterwurd We came to Albany
ANA had charter drawn up there wcr" three chartcis
introduced dnilng ne session The original chaiter
now speak OF. THO other was wha; was known as the
Young democracy Charter 1t was introduced IN the
senate il referred dele .aton froIa the City
Of Newlork; 1t was mover reported from that tommee
q. DO you know e.! any money having been given or
pTumI H 10 Republican senator for lis vote or IN
1ucnce OF the passage of lie Tweed Chartcrl \. No;
there Wa u" chance for me To nave iha hno" e"bc Jt
cause d'helel with the people VINO were adN''auHS
tho passage Of d..
q DO YOU know Of any fact or circumstance 70 indicate
whether Senator WOndn wgs Improperly lnha' need in
legislative bin intro 'Ic,d tl'i winter \ DO not
think ever heard his name mentioned In connection
q. Do you know whcthcr Mr Greeley was In favor ot
the Election Law bill that passed. a. don't know IL
Greeley came to ABan, 70 oppose th charter before the
Committee o. Cities asked them 20 come. MI Greeley
spoke about election laN in the committee than
be did about thr charter ht opposed To the charter
because had talked with him on tne saturday before we
came 10 Albany. In the lover house. think e Young
Democracy had a majority, and | don't k.ow but
all except two or tLree' rom ne ne D 1iiy
aUd I!clchInan, think had the whole delegation on
our side lac World opposed the passage OF the wee
anything about up to the time OF my going To see
Nj. Greeley. think 1t opposed D. after that cannot
account Tor the vote OF the RpuDhcas Tor tlc Mto
Charter; think every fair u tue CITY oil Ncw-lork
in favor Of an election law; think u was nnap-
O. Are you IN possession OF any facts which would
throw any light the subject of this inquiry A. None
ut SIR. that know OF, except what have stated
q IOu have stated that 4 large number az the Young
Democrats who mp Win you suddenly deserted
you. Did thcy abandon your cause aut ~ over 10
Tweed A. lCs. Every one supported the Tweed
Charter.
@ In your Judgment, how many men nal Tweed hero
that Winter aiding him in y position 10 ttc 1Ouh 2;
Democracyi A. Wen. ! wouldn't Dr surprised II ueIe
were 500 frUm Ncw-Iosk at tines Many OF them heid
positions in the Ciiy Goyciuncnt and many were ur'-
rFadocs OF every kind, dangerous men as theTe We're
IA New York @ =.
q WIS it understood by you 1T the time that they
were kept here by wcedt A. Yes because thy had no
money iO keep themselves, and they dldnt come Ii Ec
without consideration either they were here between
two and three months.
O. You know the circumstances OF part of those who
were here procudcd TIE possibility OF their presence ~
their own e. xpcIlscl 4. Yes. good many. JheS all
went OU tine payroll In New-NorE aiter the cnarter
passed. There is another thing. SIR Cnairnan-I"cvi
vas on our sidg for about 1" hours. 49,
o That must have hcen about tlc time you seemed he
ljrsrstl A. Yes; aud offered 10 pass our Young De-
mocrscy Cuurtcr and mace rrnpar"r 10 10 H. hHt
stopped II an be au oath s.dc he was sworn
up over tie senate Chamber. ,
q You smoke Of desperadoes who were IN the interest
OF Tweed they about the streets and ~ th notes
IN Albany \. irs; b'rroom- pnnciptly. ! s2n
know wnat they brought here fOr any more 1hai
tbIs-that l. was to IulImldatc.