The New York herald., 1877-11-21

sns ahem nthsy hxe on the present occasion they
.rsmins ~ that oil, we, the government, had
netnlDg 10 10 slth the question OF denomina-
usaal ana mixed education. our business .. was was
car oplecs 20 30 that by swing to The people Of
lrsabd lhsir aneeni National Unlversey. i.Hear
tear ~ and appAuse That university. as you know.
= no~ attached 70 distinct body. OF which ! never
60 speak eoi vHn The greatest honor bon TOT "a
srsaa slsslaeilon Il nss acheved; snd am bound 10
me- ior ne renarkaols acts OF beraily that ~ some
conspicuous cases were done by Trinity Co1eRe IA
syi tines when n went ahead Of tno age 10 which
those acts wcrs committed But The distinction
" ne university and the college has almost oecn
losi 10 Ireland a. one OF The many painful results
of ne course oi historical events Our object was 10
ssnsaess .nem.'o Leave 70 ma. co,ess - ssps - or
prosecuting ito revive ito cali u, so 10 speak, out
v siumbsF-lo cali u back, might cay from tne
ireland and 10 give % every man-irrespectve OF re-
hgoas creed irrespective OF opinions upon the proper
s q 20 n,, I aop Of the higher edu
cation the whole Irish nation might have Inc power
ana opportunity for The free development o. its
iacutlss aud Tor gsvng TO the great Institutions OF
lhlt lsiand such direction and such tendency AZ
tire spirit Of LIE people anu the tendencies OF the
ptope might ultimately DO found 70 direct ana require
Applause
rnr LAND QUESTION
Ny Lord. there another measure which, alter all,
WITH tne people OF Ireland Is greater than any OF
ILese olher.--I mean Inc measure which related 70
the hand question. THIS Is an agricultural country
ns trade and manufactures aud its mining nterests
bul The present II that which II s our prime uuly ~
Gea with aud CONSIDER, and wo must, therefore, ask
ourselves what has been done or what can De 1one
with respect 10 rendering secure and prosperou:
that whlcn may DC called, now a. me present
lAad (.-Hear, hearty We have arrived, think, AZ
tue rea vantage ground-the real stage OF improve
mont acsivs aud prospeclive-but ! admit tna' we
have arrived AZ IL BY process which, at leaft 10 my
mind. ~ painful aud mourniuI TO the last degree
i'Iisar near.J We have witnessed the partial depopu,
lutt.4 Af ahn
thank God that, n We may rely upon calculations,
believe honestly msde-lhough We do not set know
ing--we may nope, and profoundly thankful am Tor
IT. u IL be ue-that that dcpopulaton, that decreaso
~ a an end. (sHear, hearty No douDt, 10 the times
when ireland had more than eight millions OF people,
those VINO examined lis condition, nnd many o!
i,s best and sincerest friends were In the habit q
holding, and they ntiousy believed that large
cnig grallon. which meant undoubtedly decrease III
numbers was the only mode oi bringing about state
OF things that there would be toerably sure sum
cheney Of tho means OF lvoIlhood Ireland; but IL
not by scheme OF emigration due 70 tho "isuom
Of statesmen, oa. y was oy severe a'speasason .,
let IL be supposed that l murmur at Us extent
It by . severe calamity that this great
Ia notion that instead OF more than eight millions
OF population you have now less than hve and halt
millioux cannot look back upon that removal of
such multitudes, SO iondy ana tendHiy attached to
the Ireland OF their birth, without eeng tnat, what
tns results may be- the process IN seii was that
which have described IL to be--palniul and mourn
ful la the highest degree. ("Hcar, hearl Therefore
/ hope there will DO no doubt as to my views
on that matter. But this has been done;
the suffering has been suffered; the ties have
been snapped; the ocean has been crossed. aud
we have now 70 look TO the condition OF au Ireland
with u reduced population and the circumstances
greatly alteredgrsay altered let mo tell you, IN the
words of n gentleman whose namo IS well known TO
you'll mean Mr. sullivan, the member Tor Louth,
" no IN q work OF great interest," many pon,s,
doubt not, OF authority, that has lust been =.
Inc press us aess lew nsr ~V1as w
historic standards she has made great strides witnn
the presen. generation" 'Hear, hearl That is the
declaration OF Mr. sullivan, and have no doubt that
II his mind the result Of good deal OF thought
and q great deal oil inquiry.
now DOES IRELAND STAND?
What is the state OF Ireland, my Lord Mayor, with
regard TO this great ana capital question Of the pur
suit OF agricultural Industry can pretend to no
and, sucn as II is, IL Is derived from sources which
wiil be open those have never sol foot within
ns cous'y pu my .ss y nd anim sno
aKen together, available and useful for man. proceed
ing the SOIL Of Ireland has within the last thirty
years been diminishing. tHear, hearnJ would
say forty years. and 80 back 70 the climax OF tho
population. Il has within the last forty years been
so BSs Mnsn Sous
produce OF the soil-that ,s TO say, the remainder
which is available for the purposes OF exchange, after
cost oi production, which Of course In.
clnded tue support Of all producersthe net produce
Of the soil. y appears TO me bas largely Increased.
'.Hear, hearty think that rs established by tacts,
looking what the stale OF Ireland was aud what
the suffering Of its population IN the ireland that
lney lsn.alihoasa am sorry tha. .ney shGpla os
their lathers-yet am glad 70 think that the horrj-
Die and scandal whicn The spectacle OF Ireland
with regard 10 tho means and subsistence oi s peo
pic, used 10 present. IS now = spectacie-l
viii not say no longer to 90 seen,
% enacsd ,Sa. IA the Words Of Mr. sullivan, an saor
nous change mas taken place. aud, compared with
dismal historic standard, shc has made great
strides within the present generation" have en-
ieavored 10 INFORM my upon this subject well
could by the examination OF the statistical figures,
which are presented In THIS country through the
nation at Target Hear, hear')ior do not think
any other people have the mems Of getting an es
entaI statistics a manner SO convenient aud SO
cheap and so trustworthy as they have through tho
aoors of Mr.. Tnom In ireland. Will take the years
since lS4l.
DIFFERENT CONDITIONS IN ENGLAND AND IRELAND.
After reviewing the condition Of Ireland anu quoting
statistics in support OF his views as 10 the effects pro-
iucea by the Land and Church Disestablishmsnt
MIR. GLADSTONE continued
/ lear have detained you LOO long (''No, no.')
will describe my own creed ABOUT and laws-in tho
place With reference TO England, and Men with
Dne step the Channel i've usually do tho
Channei win one step in tnose days. and snow what
think the difference in those laws England and
Ireland. am bound to say, in the frat place, that
tails and settlements On the contrary, l am in
favor OF rather bold ana important Il
not sweeping change Far creator freedom
Ought 10 DO established; and l tnink no. mere
economical but social mischief results from The pres
cnt system Therefore am prepared TO entertain on
that question: won't say am prcpossossed favor
oil ia great cnangc But although look TO that
never, IN addressing audiences SAID believed tho
large proprietors III England would be broken up
beheve economical laws IN England make Il ms
nearly certain as certain can be that the soil shall,
the wnote, be ownel in large masses; ana, more-
over, that IL shall be owned by one set ol
and cultivated oy another. look ON the relation
ship OF andlord and tenant as inseparabie from
our social state. That Is my opnon, aud IL IS very
remarkable tnat, although wealthy Citizens Of our
towns are very ANXIOUS 10 procure poraons OF prop
erty and do procure II Dy giving good prices for
III the neghbornood OF these towns and, although tho
people are extremely ANXIOUS 10 take Irechoids
their houses YET there IS general desire among
masscs Of the population 10 possess the land
such. ! Will not 10 INTO the political economy
oil the matter. That Is sun the case in Egg
land, and moreover AS long there Is pienly
OF holdings u0der landlords OF all kinds,
small we'll large, and easy to these hold
ings Tor one am not OF the opinion that small pro.
prietors should bo greatly multiplied In England. /
doa think thoy gain any sufficient advantage OF tnat
ind as compared with the CONDITION OF being tenants
on far ana reasonable terms; ana what does happen
not unirequenty is this, that man IN England has
perceived mat by selling his land ard becoming ten.
mt he can have mucn larger means for the prosecu
ton OF ais industry and raise himself both socially
"A Tnar IN heil