, 1877-10-23

few Episconxl clcreymcn met In The church
bookstore and engaged in friendly conversation.
The meetings will probably be resumed aeaiu
next Monday.
THE SUMNER CONTROVERSY.
Mr.. phtllips' Statement Controyertcd by Ex.
Secretary Fish,
Iofton Ete"tnp Transcrps. -,
Some statements having been made by Mt.
Phillips In hts lecture at Newton lust evening
that dealt with questions nnd pcssoud OF pcc,t.
liar interest 10 Iostontans, Mr.. Fsstl, who is at
prrscnt In thts city n delegate to the Episcopal
Convention. was waited Upon by reporter this
morning, and during the conversation that fol-
lowed tho facts related below were brought
out:
with regard to thn ALLEGED negligence OF tho
| late Mr. 4usnner willie Chairman OF The Foreign
Affairs Committee, Mr. Fish sail It waa n fuct
that was susceptible Of pEonf from the scnato
records that drafts Of treaties, from
eight, to eleven In humber, remained IN
months, soma Of them. A. near as Mr.
Fish rnMll remember, fnr more thnn two Years.
Mr. Fish lid not impnte this delay ot public
husiucss to negligence on the part Of Mr. Sum
ncr; the fact however. rc.nslne! that i'slstness
was delayed, together with another fact. that
aftcr Sir. aumner's rctiracy tho entire batch of
treaties was dtsposcl OF iu less tllan four
Tic reasons for the removal Of Mr.. Summer
from tho Chairmanahlp Of the ForciEn Aftatrs
| Committee were then spoken Of. The state
tncnt that i'rcfIdent Grant placca the San DO
mimgo treaty into Mr.. Summers bands, as rtlat-
rtdIculo,lsly untrue. Tho President never hnd
| tho treaty papcrs III his possession. They were
IN the hands u the Secretary of State. The facts
were these: The President, In conversation with
Mr. Sumner, laid before that gentleman the
features of tic treaty, 'rh,s information was
| impaired orally; no written or printed
document wns read to the Senntof. Mr.
Sumner made no opposition t., any Of 10
features: indeed. 30 warmly dill lie expreaa his
approval OF 1t that gcntlctIa'l present ut the
| Interview, wllo prior 10 that time, had p!accd
li.nsclf tt opposition to the measure, WAS made
triu'n!lY to It aolcly by the arguments used by
| Mr. Sumner.
Mr. FISH saya that Mr.. Sumner continued to
favor the trcaty until the acerlIon Ut Conn
missioner to Sun Domingo catllu up for settle:
,ncnt, and wien he fouutl Tint ]. ". Ashley. nf
Ohio, was not 10 lie the nominee, 6e then all ut
onco lost interest IN tho treaty, until finally lie
placed himself In direct opposition to 1t.
The conversation between President Grant
aud sir. Summer took plaee toward thc 'as. u
and in February, Mr.. Fish says, two Senators.
Carl Sellurz and Mr. Stewart, OF Ncvada, geut!e-
men Of oppos!tc political vlcws, eanvasscd tho
Senate, a'll found the trcaty could not pasa that
body, thnt tt was dead.
Mr. Sumner wns not removed from the For
elm Committee at the rcasse,nbiing Of Com
grcss In tho fall, but upon the meeting Of tho
| new Congress- In 1871 lie was not reapno!ntc,!.
His term had expired; ho VA. not removed:
There were good reasons for Bis t,tt1g lelt %
iho Committee ut tllis time, Mr. Fiah thinks.
lie wns not at tlat time on speaking turns with
either tho President or the Secretary Ut statc,-
most unpleasant state Of things 10 cxist be.
tween tho hndcr VI 80 important position n
he aed aud this first officers Of tho AtinlsIlstra'
ttuti.
lit. Fish, OIL heinz asked " hetlicr, h. mad cvcs
urged The English mission upon slr. snu,nrr,
aai't there WAS lolR stury connected with that,
which i,e proceeded tu tell, aA lull0ws:
lie called Mpon Nr: Sumner one day In ths
spring OF 1870, aud. asdlng that gentleman In
tsI; .S1s, 'oa troab1e you ~ you do: Now the
San Domingo treaty Is dc,ul; tbs scilats
l'a. been sanvasse,! by msH of l,otl, sides
report @ it, and have done with III" sir. Sam
ncr replied with much emotion, Mr.. FISH
you can't understand NY situation. Your fam
lily relations arc all pleaaant. WIZ taa'y and
s asysf wsn ar!E, r. + s ST. r.h sa,st Ts
hin. 10 seek now scenes; told him ho was getting
morbid over his troubles, anu spoke OF a visit e
Europ. as Temporary rs'tet. ME. sumner ~ ~
Fish SAID that needn't Interfere. The Duke d
Argyll aud otlers In England would ba glad e
receive him into their houses, where lie xoult
DO shown abundant opportunity ios s,'!ay az. M
jeetIon that he coMd not vel! atforu the ex
peusc. Upon thts. Mr. Ftsh SAYS hc ineautons
" remarked: "Why not 70 as slln'stcri" Till
W. ss;a oa te moment wt,hoHf e, VIZ. prexou
friendship foE at4 personal interest in MI busa
ner. The Secretary for the instant forgot, II
his personal sympathy, HAT hc Was Novern
nient 0llicer. AlT Sumner, hc said, oFl9htehc.
up at oncc wtea this suggestion was droppcd
and his eagefutss somewhat alarmed Sir. Fish
who then saw that he liatl said too much.
Mr. Sumner said he did not like to interfere
with lis frlen.l Motlcy, upon which Ms. Ftai'
seeing an opportunity y retraee his steps. tol.
him ho Might ~ tn ais pEtvate tapacity; tl!a
I There would bu u long recess OF Congress, Whicl
would give him ample tfIne TO make : ylsi
sbroa4. Mr. Ftsh says th's s was at! the & "aIi: ~
luEi he exercised upon SlF. Sumner to lake thl
Tic reason for Mr. Motley's removal wa
found lu considerations of state. !ic tntsfcpTc
sented the Government on tue Alaoatns CUES .
him before h,s Arrtva! At his post.
hlr. Fish SAID hu always entertained the htEh
est feelings Of friendship aud cstcesn for a!r
Motley, &nd It paine: hl'i' wien no Was lotee,
Liverpool, instead OF A[r. Motley.
Mr. Fish denied tho conversation between hin
and Nr. sumner, wherein the latter sall4 "5r
you src the tool Of the President for oase gur M
poses, and this removal " out OF spite" Mr
Phillips. he said, quoted this fro,n speceh puE
porting to have been delivered by Nr. 5umpc
lu tho United stutcs Senate. But that bpeecl
was never delivered. Tlrte t!tnes did this op
portuntty prcsent itse'f hen It might have beei
introduced, but upon ueither occasion was I
! heatu. About hundred copies Of " wer
printed tor sesui-privute efIculatton, aud Oh
gentleman having copy Of 1t read It beiora a
assembly of twenty-five ur thirty, among whom
was q member Of tho Washiugtou press 4n'
through him II became known to the Aimlnis
tration.
Sir. Fish said, In speaking Of the attitude O
Carl Sehurz that hc waA In sympathy with Nj
sulnuer iu uutriruilv feeling towas1 the lat
Administration, and he thought an e1amustto
q ths eulogY pronounced p Gy Nr. Curtis upo
any Of tho assertions rejecting upon Gen
Grants government found In the speecl Of Iii
Schurx,
4 Dog, . Msn. and = Mule.
Atlunia t0u,1 CoxAtitutioa
, 4 North CAruilu2 wa.bDeE sold ltS dog 10
! Laureus County uan the othcr day for half
barrel Of sorghum sirup. The dog, hoxeys'