The New York herald., 1877-11-01

for whom he says he has great respect called upon
AE Sumner to inform him OF tho purport, &c. OF the
ST. Domingo treaty, or on the following day (for MT.
Phillips Indictment s somewhat confused), the then
President condition that his brain refused 10
perform s office. sir. Phillips Is responsible for
the originaton OF this imputaiion, but u
was not started until after tho alienation
OF Mr.. Sumner and General Grant had become post
tive and wide. gentleman who entered Mr.. Sum-
ner's room who tho President and he still IN
conversaton has repeatedly stated TO with refer
ence to this imputation that there was possible
foundation Tor II. In his language. and he is ono
or tho strictest OF temperance mon, General Grant
was no moro under any excitement or extraneous IN
fucnce than was Mr.. Sumner or the gentleman him
SELF
A SLIP oy Tag TONGUE
Tho only alleged grounds OF the charge arc that
General Grant addressed Mr.. Sumner chairman OF
the judiciary" Committee, instead OF .Foreign Rc-
iations" II every LAWYER overy judge who has at
times misplaced the words plaintiff defendant
Is TO be held equally open to n similar charge tho
reputation Of both Bench and Bar will sink very low.
But the charge, doubtless. aitcrthought when
tho freshness Of the interview had been displaced
by tho excitement OF quarrel. Mr.. sumner
rated TO mo tho incidents OF the Interview,
and tho conversation within a day or two alter
its occurrence and while he mentioned the misuse Of
the names OF tho committees, he made no suggestion
such since has been made II was several weeks
after the interview that heard OF tho present impu-
tation.
QUESTION OF yRRAciry.
Mr. Phillips was not present at the interview md
in all probability received whatever oil Information he
has on the subject from ono OF the parties In diner
cnce-and that one no. General Grant-and not until
alter the relations between tho two gentlemen hai
become broken aud bitter Nevertheless he PROCESSES
10 ''rcmcmbcr the occason.n and undertakes to sre
cito Il" ami he rccites thus
Mr.. Sumner received the Treaty OF ST. Domingo
from the hands OF General Grant, VINO drove up TO hs
door while he was sitting with. some friends at tho
dinner table.
Mr.. Philips Is wrong. Mr. Sumner never received
tho treaty or any copy OF It any written doc
relating TO 1t from tho hands General Grant, Con-
ora Grant, at the time roerrcd TO- had It not 1t was
in the Department OF State. Proceeding with his re-
cital Mr. Phillips says:--
he, Sumner, said to the President al will look at
the bill."
II was not .'bl,n It was . "treaty." II Mr.. Sum.
ner said what Mr.. Phillips, who volunteers as his
witness aud advocate and who PROCESSES TO remember
tho OCCASION declares that no said, insist that tho
coniouuding of treaty with bill quito strong
evidence that no who madc tho mistake .'was In no
state 10 understand anything" and that '.hs brain
refused 10 perform its olcc," the substitu-
AN EBONY DoY
Again, proceeding tho '.recial" Of what he Gre
members Mr. Phillips says, referring to Mr.. Sum-
ner:-
When he went home and examined it he found the
dark trcachery 10 tho black man.
"Went home!" From where? Grant had found
him sitting ut his own dinner tablet What did ho
"examine9" He had received only oral statement OF
tho substance and object OF the treaty He had 1t not
tn otthn Ar
that no had possession OF 'tne instrumonIn
Again, Mr.. Phillips says. "tho next day he found
General Grant," &c Quito incorrect Tho ..next
day" Mr.. Sumner did either seek or find General
Grant. l lccl very confident that there such
interview Mr. Phillips undertakes to describe when
he says
Thore was present q gentleman VINO has bcen in
Washington for iorty years, and ne came AWAY with
Mr. sumner. AS thoy came down tho stairs OF tho
Executive Mansion tho gentleman remarked, "E:c ,
etc.,
Then follows tho invention about being ''in state
to understand anything" 1t requires further evi-
dence than Mr. Phiiius' remembrance" 10 rescue
this recital from consipn the field OF fiction
| OF dclusion.
ANOTHER pnILLipa
Mr. Phillips thought proper also TO refer to mo II
connection with tho Motley difficulty in a manner
which, had ne been informed to tho exact facts
am he would not have uscd, and he attributes Il
| Mr. Sumner what no calls .sindignant exclama
tion," the hko Of which never passed Mr.. Sumncr'
| lips in my hearing. Mr.. Sumner incapable
| OF any such utterance, or OF anything Ike
| II, to mo- declare positively and emphati
cally that Mr. Sumner mover but spoke al
| unknd word TO lnc, and never a dis courtcou.
one, and the occasion rcforrcd TO. tho sen.
ato Chamber. in July. 1862 he instantly withdrew hi
! hasty expression and warmly scized my hand .ir
friendship" MS he expressed himself, IN order TO re
| move tho Impression OF his auck word.
| NEVER INTENDED TO SEND SUMNER TO LoSrox
When reporter called upon me IN Boston, on thu
day OF tho publication OF MIR. Philips remarks m,
| desire TO defend General Grant, who is absent
| from tho charge that his statement viii
regard to tho withheld treaties was un
founded or ian afterihought" Questions wor,
| put TO mo which LED to the denial which nov
positively repeat OF the impu,ation that any
time seriously rendered thought Of rendering tc
Mr.. Sumner tho British Mission, although OF NJ.
friends than urgently pressed 1t, and leas
OF all would have thought of SO doing induce
mcnt to secure his support OF tho St Domingo treaty
Of any other measure. II my respect at tho time
for Mr.. sumner would not have restrained had too
much sei-rcspcct to traffic with him or any other OF
such subject.
PAINrUL SCENE.
stated TO tho reporter, and no has with genera
accuracy reported what said this point, the occa
sion, most painful ono, when l called, us l was II
the frequent habit OF doing late evening at Nr
Summers house, and found him much depressed anc
IN tcara vaniy cndcavored 10 rally hun, and attic
his allusion to certain troubles which need no, In
dcato, contrasting his own rotations in .thos
| regards with, as he said, more happy ones
and expressing tho wish that some morning no nigh
! DO found dead in his bed, l urged his leaving Wash
| ington TO find rcici from what Tor somo time ha
seen becoming morbid ana disturbed conditi 10
| OF mind aud OF temper. l suggested his going 1
Europe. He presented difficulties such as hi
engagement In the editing OF his speeches
tho cost, &C., when | incautiously asked hin
| II no would 'ko TO be Minister TO England.
! lie slowly said. mo, would not liko TO ntcricr
with Motley who Is my friend" This answer relieves
me from alarm into which pause and npparen
dcberation on his part had thrown me, and had pro
ssntcd tho realization OF the incaulon into when