The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1877-05-30
Hints from Dissatisfied Poll
ticians.
PEOPLE WHO WANT A CHANGE
Exciting Interview with General Butler
General SckIes' Views.
Tamnany and Anti-Tanmany
on a Party Break.

The project or . new national Union party appears
90 have real foundation Professional politicians and
pulcrs 6ght shy Of the subject in fear of losing
one hold patronage without securing another.
Confdentialy, however, some Of the most sagacous
admit that judcious distribution OF patronage IN the
Eorth tho Same plan that Mr.. Hayes has pursued in
the South would attract to his standard largo follow
Ing from the democratic ranks With tho masses the
loea OF now party is unmistakaby popular.
The impression prevails that the course pursued
by the President in tho Southern States is.Just,
and that no should DO Endorsed without regard to
former party ties. The leading representative OF the
Irish democracy said TO the HERALD reporter yestcr-
day.
1--WE want peace and brothcrly love anon. the
sections. Hayes has secured this 10 tho country IN
two short months. and whether this is called
democracy or republicansm don't matter. II is what
the people demanded, and they will indorse tho
President for giving 1t to them"
WHAT ANTIQUE BOURBON THINKS.
democrat OF ancient prominence and repown
known OF the most sagacous observers OF tho
political horizon, and whose extensive business and
political connections with tho South give him unusual
opportunities for knowing tho current OF public feeling
In that section said
"If Hayes would give the New York democrats a
few prominent positions In tho Post ONCE, Custom
party Of this city fore and att The why
he could DO SO is simply this. There are
number OF men in this city to-day
who worked hard Tor Tilden, got nothing for It, got
sick Of Tilden, out OF work, the brink
OF starvation. and. seeing the course things have
TAKEN have scrupc in exchanging their democracy
for national unionism. Hayes they satisfied is
doing TO carry out democratic principles than
Tildcn himself"
MOVEMENT THAT
It Is understood that combination already being
formed between tho an ti.Tammany democrats and re-
publicans to control the city Offices and the Senatorial
and Assembly districts, and that this combination
includes nearly all democrats who favored the Omni-
bus bill. Such local party could not fail to be an
important factor in the general national Union
movement In former years such combinations were
not permanent, because the two parties really
divided by we'll defined and national issues especially
by those concerning the South but now that moderate
democrats aud republicans agree in supporting Hayes
Southern policy there reason, according to what
tho most observers say why the amalgama-
tion should not DO general and permanent.
DISCOURSE OF THE POLITICIANS.
In the rotunda Of the Astor House yesterday un-
usual congregation OF politicians discussed the political
situation, and chiefly the prospects OF u new party.
The Tanmany politicians secuted the idea Of new
party: but yet oetrsysa an apprehension as TO tho
men, like Senators Morrissy and Bxbey, said little for
publication. but evidently enjoyed the prospective
Muller declined 10 say what he thought about
the new party, for the reason that be knew
nothing about II and did not want TO know
and the present party was good enough Tor him.
49, sIERcy INTERVIEW Win nES BurIER.
Genern BENJAMIN f. sner Of Massa "aaS
most OF yesterday was engaged 10 the case of tho
Atlantic and Pacific versus the Western Union Telo-
graph Company In relation patent Tor duplex tele.
graphing, claimed b. the former company 1t uto
In the afternoon when, by PERMISSION OF Mr.. !. A.
llaor, the private secretary Of General Butler. Of
rpn N N
mitted to wait couple OF hours In room No. OF the
Filth Avenue Hotel 10 see the General himself. When
he did see The General tho following remarkable con-
versnii ion ensued:--
BUTLER with a roundabout coat, a salmon colored
vest, big black sailors tic and an nsolent swagger
in his gait, walking ABOUT the rooml-Where is this
fellow OF the press that wants to interview me.
HERALD REPORTER taking the whole proceeding by
way Of joke OF the Gcncraps)-I am the fellow,
General, and perhaps you may remembcr---
BUTLER J remember nothing. Damn the whole
press I'll have no interview and Pill
REPORTER Ia little ovcrromc)-l simply wished to
ask you, General, II you have heard OF the party
that report saws has been-
BurLER-Damn the report There ia no new party
have had enough OF reports and Of newspaper men,
and when you jus, go away you'll 20 down and write
took place, and I'll be damned II l stand IL You
arc
Tor being angry about 1t. You Know
BUTLER lgotting red In the face and quite booster
ous)-I know nothing, and call upon this man here
(ponting to gentleman who was quietly rocking him
self In chair, but taking in the whole situaton)--I
call upon this a witness that said any.
Thing to you, and II you say.
REroRrxa-I shall say nothing sir, beyond what has
occurred but think
BurLEn-s.Say no moro; leave the room, and that's
thc cnd OF II, &C., &c, anu tho reporter left with
many blasrhemous mprecalions in his wake from the
Statesman of Massachusetts.
GENERAL srKLEs' VIEWS.
~ have not been consulted In regard to any new
party movement and know nothing of It, said Gen.
do 70 bn aa nS ses re-
ment is necsarry at this time. 1t is, in
my Judgment, premature and ill-advised. There
are no such divisions either In the republican or the
democratic organization usually precedc the forna
ton Of a new party A good deal has been said about
the resuscitation of tho old wg party especially in
tho South. and when l hear these speculaions am
reminded OF anccdote which illustrates OF John
Van Burcn's happy hits John at breakfast
party at which politics were less discussed,
OF the disputants apologizcd TO the lady next
him Tor inruding such topics ut social gathering.
The lady remarked that she liked to hear men talk
politics. but she did not agree TO much that had been
said, Tor s'shc old line whig" Whercupou John
laid down his knife and iork and with affected gravity,
said, "Gentlcmen, you hear what madame has told
you. Let all embrace this occasion and take good
look at her. for the male OF that species Is oxtnct'
no DEMOCRATIC BREAK IN THE
~ think" continued The General "that those who
look for break in the democratic party In the South
win be disappointed. For many years past Southern
opinion has been engrossed By sectional and local
Issues 70 which everything else been mado subor-
Ornate Slave labor, tho war; opposition to negro sur
frage, hostility TO the republican plan OF recopstruc
lion, have kept Southern opinion compact, united and
In natural alliance with the democratic party OF the
anu ~ DC supposed tuelr Interests IN
maintaining the advantage they have gained in tho
complete possession OF poser from the Potomac TO tho
Rio Grando will keep tho South together poti-
cal organization for years to Gomez
PRESIDENT HAYES SOUTHERN POLICY.
In regard TO President Hayes southern policy, -
pursued the General, -" would say that IL TO
90 have grown out OF the situation OF affairs when
confronted him on his accession TO Office. He then
found The country profoundly agitatsd by an unexam
pcd political contest its business interests prosta
the people weary OF STRIFE. The OF events dur
ing tho Last tour years Of General Grants admnstra-
sion had shown that the democratic party gradu
ally rcgaining control Of all the Southern States Only
Louisiana and South Carolina remained nominally IN
the hands Of the republicans, and without tho aid OF
She army II was obviously impossible for the rcpub-
state authorities To sustain themselves
Tho House OF Representatives had refused APP
propria,ons for the army except on conditions that
prevented continuance OF the policy OF intervent on
which General Grand had pursued The time had
therefore, arrived when 1t was necessary 10 remit
these states absolutely 10 such local governments
they might ut TO establish for themselves IL now
depends altogether upon the Southern people to say
wnothcr the Southern question shall be happily closed
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