The New York herald., 1877-11-20


the accounts OF Inc public money should
stand IN clear, uncmbarrassed cond-
non non rss, before the 1meroan people, SO anat
taxes had been properly used to favor the fullest In
ysstigaton He then referred 70 tho discrepancies
charged by the Senator from West Virginia tMr.
Davisj and said they were grave IN amount as 10
throw strong suspicion that there must be something
wrong either the administration of the department
or in tho manner in which accounts were kcpt. He
alluded to The explanation of these discrepancies made
by Mr. Boutwell, last year when lie In The Senate,
ana said that SENATOR who for six years occupied
post oil Secretary OF the Treasury when confronted
with these discrepancies was utterly una,
them. They amount 10 more than 5000, 0o0, COO,
y sum grave enough TO affect not only the conven-
ence, but the morality OF our people and the matter
could not be 'whistled down Inc wind" They must
be explained. II the Secretary of the Treasury
warmest friend he (Mr. Bayardl would have insisted
upon an exploration OF them. II might be, aud he
from system OF false statements OF nc accounts but
would not do tor the Senate TO avoid any method OF
how iney originated In conclusion he argued thar
tho resolution oil Mr. Davis was proper aud should be
agreed to-
REMARKS OF MR. DAWES.
Mr.. DAWES, (rep) Of Mass, SAID he had never, at
any time thrown the slightest obstacle in the way Of
the fullest inyesgaton but he hac desired the Senn
tor IRON Wes Virginlu Mr. Davisj 10 state distinctly
what his charges were He wanted him 10 state dis
tincy he had the slightest evidence the books
Of tho Treasury Department had been tampered wth
but he had not beon abe TO get reply from the Sena
tor He then alluded TO the remarks OF VT Bayard IN
tMr Bou,wolD not being able 70 explain
the alleged discrepancies, and argued that
that Senator had explained them satisfactorily year
ago; that he met every suggestion OF alterations of
the books by an explanation which not only satisfied
him (Mr. Dawesb but he venturcd to say II saIisled
majority OF the Senate. 1t was demonstrated tnen
that tho changes were only in the method OF making
pose OF making these statements moro inteigbe and
satisfactory TO the country. II the Senator from
West Virginia (Mr. Davisl would state distinctly that
he had evidence that the books had been tampcred
with he (Mr Dawes) tor ono would vote Tor a com
mittce or investigation.
sir. BAyARD II not tho desire to injustice
to the late Senator from Massachusetts (Mr Boutwci
or any one else, but when he spoke OF that Senator
and his explanation made year ago he hould have
included the present Secretary tho Treasury with
him. That gentleman mr. Sherman) was then CHAIR
man OF tho Senate Committee on Finance, and ne with
the Senator from massachusetts, (Mr. Bou,well re-
sistod The motion for the appointment oil special
committee
single ngurc showing the discrepancies cited by tho
Senator from est Virginia lar. Davs) had ever been
Impeached.
Mr. MORRILL,, OF Vermont, said he had particular
horror OF experts, and especially OF selstylcd cx-
pcrts, ana he saw no use III allowing this special COM
mittee to have large force he had no idea that tho
present Secretary OF tho Treasury would throw the
slightest obstacle In the way Of tho investigation
MIR. DAVIS, Of West Virginia, said every ngure by
him had been taken from the special finance reports
made to Congress. He argued that tho papers ana
accounts In tne Registers Office wore not examined
when the change was made In 1871: but II was on tho
order Of the Secretary OF the Treasury 1t was we'll
known taat The Register was tho Official bookkceper
gross should agree with hts books.
After some further discussion the resolution was
amended in several unimportant particulars and
agreed 10. 1t authorizes tho appointment cf special
committee OF Ave Senators 10 gate tho finance
reports, books and accounts OF the Treasury Depart
ment particularly with rcteroncc 10 differences, dis
crepancies aud alterations In amounts and figures,
especially In the annual statements Of the eXpendi-
lures OF tho government the revenue collected, &c.
The committee Is 10 have power TO send tor persons
and papers, to employ one stenographer and two
clerks and shall not be dissolved by The expiration OF
the present session OF tho Senate
The VcE PRESIDENT was authorized to appoint the
committee.
message having been received from tho House OF
Representatives. announcing that that body had
bill making appropriations for the support oil tho army
Tor the fiscal year ending June go 1875 and
Mr. WINDOW, (rep.) OF Minn., explained tnat the
first anne ndmcnt in which the House n0n-conc ncurrcd,
was that increasing the number OF paymasters' clerks
from nity-two 10 ntty-iour Another was that in
gard to the selection OF officers to und report
upon the magazine gun. AS It now stood The Board
must consist OF ordnance officers appointed by the
Secretary Of War, anu tho next amendment was
gurd TO the appropriation OF $4,000 Tor the
sion of smoothbores into rined guns The House IN
sisted upon that Appropriation. Hc moved that tho
Senate rcccdo from those amendments non concurred
In by tho House. Agreed to, and tho BIN was passed
IL now goes TO the President Tor Ills signature
INDIANS AZ cIrizENs.
Mr. INGALLS, (rcp.i OF Kansas, called up tho senate
States.
Mr. THURMAN, ldem.) Of Ohio SAID he did not UNDER
r.
lnsals, fearing the loss of the negro to tho
publican party was stretching out his hand Tor the
Indian vote That might do on the frontier, but 1t
would do no good 10 She interior. He then COM
mentcd on the BILL and said allowed Indians to be-
come citizens but AZ tho samc time permitted them 10
retain their tribal organization. Tho fourteenth ar
tce of tho Constitution ol the United States provided
that all persons born or naturalized IN the United
States ana subject to tas jarsdction thereof
State wherein they reside The only thing which
kept an Indian from becouing citizen was his tribal
l..Il .harI
would allow an Indian to become q ciiizcn and tho
same time the government would De making treaties
Indians It might as well DO gwen to white men also.
lie opposed hasty action the bill, and said more
time should be taken 10 examine 1t.
Mr. INGALLS, said the Senator from Ohio had been
long accustomed 10 view all subjects from political
standpoint that he was afflicted with OF strabs
mus, which compelled hum 10 ask when bill
before the Senate whc.nor 1t would Affect
the dcmocralic or republican party. He
Ohio felt little disturbed by tho bill, because he
Mr. Ingalls) had observed that when any community
acquired the habits OF civilized lie they generally
ticket. Q4augnter.) He then commented on the bill,
and said it allowed Indian TO become u citizen OF
the United States when no could prove before
that he competent TO manage his affairs SO
inr as treaties with the Indians were they
had long since been abandoned. In his opinion the
Indians OF this country nevor had any such organza
ton as 10 Justify The government OF the United states
In treating with them NOW the government treated
them us communities and made contracts with them
The particular object OF this bill TO enable large
number OF Indians. living in tho Indian Territory
to become cltizcns OF the United states They were
just as competent to manage their own affairs as the
Senator from OHIO or any else. Tho bill nad The
approval oil tho Department Of the Interior and had
been thoroughly considered by the Committee on
Indian Affairs He believed Its passage woud do
much toward settling tho difficulties with the In
dams
Mr. HoAR, (rep.) OF Mass, said therc various
legislative provisions In regard to intercourse
win the Indians, some OF which made IL a penal OF.
ience TO trade with tncm oven carry message TO
them, and II seemed to him TO be serious qu uestion
whether there should be any class OF ctzcns IN TINS
country about whom such special legislat should
DO made. There were several objections 10 tho bill
An Indian under II could become citizen and still
maintain his Tribal organization.
Mr.. INGALLS, said his understanding OF II was that
the tribal relations of the Indian would interfere
with his right OF citizenship any moro than being a
member oil the Presbyterian Church or n member OF
an odd Fellows Lodge would interfere with citizen
snip Of any man.
Pending discussion the Senate, motion OF Mr.
thurman, wont into executive session, aud at ton
minutes 10 three J.. M when tho doors wero rcopened
adjourned until tomorrow.
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,.
WASHINGTON, Ncv. 10, 1917
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