New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1877-09-22

o-And subsequently they would make you a director
An the roadi Aft j would work with them ana OPP
crate in matters
Q-was this injunction one Of the mattersf Al sup
pose so. They wanted that done
Q.-Therefore you were made diree''r' Aus
sir.
o-And your impression is that some stock was put
down TO your name Al told 30. l Dad never
paid my money for that stock at that time.
Odd you carry out your part OF the bargain Win
regard 10 the injunction Al did, sir.
o-Tell me what YOU did Al took the papers they
had prepared by their counsel to Judge, friend OF
mine at that time.
o.-what Judgei A.-One of the Judges of the SUI
preme COurt
o-Namei A-Barnard. George G. Barnard.
O-(Py Alderman Cowng)--WhO the counseli
Al don' recollect; the Erie Railroad was constantly
changing counsel. and don't recclect who it was
Q.-TeH MS what trauspired3 Al spoke to George
Barnard about IT, and he looked over 1t and SAID he sup
posed they were entitled 10 it. and granted II.
Odd you offer sort Of nducement TO Barnard TO
do That Al asked him to do act Of friendship
70 me.
o.-was that ari A-That was all at that time. I
had been the best friend had-had dominated MIN ana
stood by him ali the way through. and ne owed MS posi-
tiOn tO
ODD he ever get anything granting this inunc-
tIont Al don't know that he did. 1 don't believe be
did.
o-when was the next transaction you had with the
Erie Railroad Companyl Al cannot tell. IL went
right along from time until rot into trouble, ana
all the time | was in trouble. while Mr.. Fisk WAS IN.
Shortly after that introduced Mr. Fisk to Barnard and
he became as intimate tn Barnard "a was. He nad
NOR. time 10 waste aim than mad. Barnard re-
oured good deal Of time to attend to him. You had to
be around him great deal
Q.-what do you mean by being around him. An
You had to be around him great deal and make him
think he was great man-pat him on his back laugh
teri
o.-Is that the only time you got favor from the
Judges the Erie Railroads AThat the only ia'Or
recolect.
MANAGING ERIE BUSINESS At ALBANY.
Odd you ever serve the Erie RIlrOad IN any ca
parity in Abauyl A.-Yes was their agent IN Albany
On wnat capacity Al was their agent ID Ain"hy
did AL the business they had to do there any hne De-
fore the Leg stature m Albany that rcqu req u, o,
ATTENDED to for them; anything tht required managing
under a. ir directions eepcra.y maze ID oe,cer mp
director Of the Erie Railroad srk TO influence iteisia
% -reJ me ms 10 what bIIs-A.- tlnerruptincl !
cannot / am in the same condition as a man mat j.
gooi swimmer You tie h's hands an thIo~ lH over
DoS i , ,,,ioranda ana can i've You fhe facts
O.-Dou't remember any tlI II me paS'ase OBJ
vile you acted as lobbyist for tn, Er Iailroadf
Al don't rccollect distinctly any prticu'ar one. .
ODD You ever have any conversation win Mt
Fisk Or Nj Gouli IN regard 90 Influencing The Leslsa-
Did yoG ever receive any money from either Fsk
or Gould TO be used in hlibng the LsSisaturef Al
o.-Can YOU recollect any particular occurrences of
the ter day that almost everybody else that received
money up there has charged 1t to me during Che i"s
o-Dld You ever receive money from bothl Al re-
ceiyed from of thcn, but tney are bJth aD'u ue
OF want to cali vour attention to the fact t'at here
ar. not nov ro 1"S Sir Fsk Al ave ST.
Q-WJa instructions from HIM to us, it 70 b-be leg s.
laiors to vote for bills Al never received insirc-
tons We would have nyersauons as to wh4i coaJ D.,
done AM they would say, " can yo1 dG so ana 50 a9I
would doi,. ,...,--...,
should D.. used for thati A.-Ics. sir.
ODdL he II times suegr. the names Of the LEGISLATORS
whom De- Thought YOU could bus Al don't mink lie
did. was pretty well mp in that mys self ana do4t
think ,eauired information. dOnt Trims he Thought
h oHor 10 ' esar to WHAT widely known as the
Erc Ca,,idraiin D. do YOU rccoloct aboat tnati A
Mr. Coie- Eeii. really, don't know myself
Mr.. Twcci-NOw. you see the h1 am IN; Ih'Ift are
one item N 1 can ten.
Sir TWr.i-I presume you refer Chapter 91G Of the
Laws Of 1860. to amend 'h law- Of oe preceding wear
ferltct dl,uc ~ money being paid for the pas axe
tla. ac., bu / couil not tell 90 whom nor nov much
Odd SON pay il ~ money to members OF Je Le'lsia-
uel Al ava under the impression ina. did
Q.-D.ut Won remember any person TO whom yOh paid
oHWnom d.I YOU receive that money FRONT Al am
noe poatye 3nt ei5nel Non, NJ, ~ %r ~, @ e n
o"po ySi remember the circumstances connected
win that particular transactOnf Al 10 not.
O-Wss this the ony bill for which you used money in
behalf Of the Erie direeuoni no III; uet oy many
tepf mo- iaIy Afterwards INV books burned up by
nv friends, supuosuc il would be for my n crest.
0-Csn you al this time rc ilert any other oil2 A
No did not recoiect that until you called Jay asen
ton 10 IT..
o. shall refer to the matter again when you have hc
statutes before you. Ia ali these matters ir me E'e
Railroad I'D receive The none directly rom eit irr
Could or Fisk pa, them yourself TO the ieisa,ors
A. id in most OF tnese matters, a "a ~ o.aI matters
handed the money to Abraham Van Neehten am 10
o-To be used by theml A.-Ycs In fact did not
have but very htte 10 do with members o. Assemble;
dealt with the members OF tine Senate, mostly
THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE AGAIN.
o-Now recurring TO the Broo dyu Bridge matter FOR
arnomcnt Will you state who composed tue Board Of A.
dermen at the time you say the money used TO IN
dnee the Aldermen 10 make the substitution of II 5O0
OOOl Al made my utmost cndeavofs % obi lin cOpY
of fhe proceeding ~ The Aldermen Oi 1866 the year IN
which hat passed. The messenger OF tue Board 81 Al
rruen brou ht me up the books yesterday, and stated
that told To remain there uu got rough Wan
them I wts with nv vile aud family, and suggested
taf ne leave the books, but said his orders i'm
rerative tried TO look Item over IS hastily ~ could
fo.d4v the C,rporaOn Couusels Office has furnished ue
with n list which cannot verify. would state how
ever that n books mt To me and taken away
Immediately. 10 Will do no good.
alderman Lews-The Clerk of The Council has bnt one
cory OF the books, and no is compelled very
careful .,.. -, .. a.,
am Wiling do everything that can, u = matter
OF impOssibity iorme 10 examine the books cirefuy
ton that Will right here that, Ia order 10 be
as wei informed as possible upon that bF0OAPn BRUCE
Company, Immediately after Inc mcenE the OF 1er day.
l wac I'D communication with Denas Barnes, VINO has
been the great Oect1r the Brooklyn Bridge matters
and who, presumed. couid give me the information
an to-day he sent "a of information which
nave not able cOte and prepare, but should
Ismply call your attention to ascertain which
u,eb.rs al the Board 81 Aldermen. Al do not know
that ever knew at that time did my business Win
o9DS you know Of any man, except the one YOU have
alrt dy testified to- receV ng the money To- ai matter
Al DON'T know. heard in the Board OF Assistant
Aldermen $500,