The Wheeling daily register. [volume] (Wheeling, W. Va.) 1864-1878, 1876-12-13

gated Dy message from one Oi lHeu 10
the other, that i: con sidered the joint
rules no longer in force2 Otherwise,
would not the House be bound not
merely by al act of previous House. as
IN the case Of its own rules, but by the
act of previous Senate?
Mr.. Springer-Ifthe doctrine be main
tanned that when joint rule is estsb-
lished between the two houses
one of them can sbrogste
that rule at ITS will, there is no
necessity whatever for adopting joint
rules, because they do not bind either
party to an agreement
The Speaker stated that the history OF
the two Houses as to joint rules showed
that when any proposition by one House
to amend them failed in the other House,
the rules continued te be recognized, sc-
cepted ard acted under ~ if they were
in full force.
Mr. Kssson-Thst only shows the
house proposing the amendment con.
sented that the rules should go on with
out amendment
The Speaker er--The Chair thinks that
that which takes two bodies TO do, tskes
two bodies TO undo. 1t is Il mere mat
ter of opinion.
Mr.. Springer-The joint rules were
adopted in the form of II concurrent reso-
luton, and q concurrent resolution can
not be- repealed by one body without the
consent of the other.
Mr.. Hoar-Does the gentleman say
rule adopted by concurrent resolution
at the beginning ofthe government binds
the successive Houses of Representative
forever till the Senate sbsndOnS It?
Mr.. Springer both houses
abandonit. do, certainly. The gem
tleman from Massachusetts himself when
the Presidential votes of 1873 were be-
ing counted, objected to votes being
cast for Horace Greeley because be
was dead, and his objection WAS based
on the twenty-second joint rule which
never had been readopted since It's adOp.
tion in 1865
Mr.. Hoar-Both houses were acting
under 1t by consent.
Mr.. Springer-It never had been ro.
adopted and had no Validity at all ex-
cept that given u 1t IN 1865.
Mr.. Ho.kius-If the gentleman from
Illinois holds tEat these rules cannot be
abrogsted except by the consent OF both
Houses, | would like to inquire by what
law or authority, after the Senate has re
pealed and refused to recognize them,
the House or any other body can enforce
them?
MIR. Springcr-We cant compel the
Senate TO abide by It's own rules--thst
BODY is a law unto itsclr-but we can Cn
our own part abide by those rules, and
we choose to do it, Applause on the
Democratic side.
Mr. MCCrary remarked that Speaker
Kerr decided at the beginning of the last
srss sion that caSh House has, under the
Constitution, An absolute right to make
the rules which govern It's actions, and
therefore the rules which had been
adopted in the Forty.third Congress
were not IN force a. the beginning ot the
Forty-fourth That decision covered the
whole ground in this controversy, unless
the gentleman would say that a joint
rule was rule for the government o.
the House Of Representatives.
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