The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1876-04-01


q Il. this cipher in Lucksy's handws's'.sT A
q Did your ever communicate with Luckey By
appointed by the Attorney General to out there
COMMUNICATING WITH the rREsipksr
!, . Aow did you communicate the inlormas,on 70
guiityr A. went three times and tried to have an
interview with him and failed and then put the
thing in shape that could get II 10 him. got II to
him through newspaper; put II IN that way because
did not care TO trust anything IN writing In the
hands oil any there to 90 TO the President; had
made up my mind that the In such shape
that could do nothing further ON Il aud dropped H.
q What newspaper did you make that publication
inY A. In the NEw York HERALD | marked copy
and sent to tho President and have TO be-
o In your conversation with Babcock in regard to
this matter did you say 10 him that you had proof Of
MS a. 40 SIT aou hi us, nain,s r hero
and told him what the evidence was, SO far AS knew
He repeatedly said 10 me that there were papers and
kilograms OF his which, II the prosecution got hold Of
II would be almost impossible Tor him TO explain.
saw him frequently for period OF perhaps three
O Who paid you for the services you rendered out
therey A. received very little pay indeed; perhaps
$500 II paid to mo by Messrs. Bradley ana Bah
cock. When went away from ST Louis had given
up the case; but when received this communication
IRON Mr. Bradley gave up position that was paying
me about $500 a month to come here, and then.
after delay OF about five weeks, received this APP
alter communicated this information to the President
q We're You 70 be employed in the District Attor-
neys oico at ST. Louis by Bradley, Luckey and Bah
cock Tor any other purpose than attempt to prevent
the convection of Babcocks A That was what they
understood but the President did not understand II
that way ut all at least believe he did not; he said
that he wished mo TO what was going on, and
IL there any attempt made TO Introduce forged or
false testimony, any prejudice against the defendant
that he wished to know H. and was 70 make my 70,
ports TO tho Attorney General, and thai II General
Babcock was guilty no wanted him punished; that Is
| what the President said from The start
q Did you tell the Attorney General that in your
opin!on, Babcock was guil.yf A. had not arrived at
that point at that tune.
q Did you ever till it to Luckcys A. did not
| T. DID you ever tell Bradley so! A. II was not
| necessary lhoy iully understood the case.
q DO you mean by that tnut they knew he was
guiltys A. do not say that; they. however, thought
there many documents IN existence that would
| Do very difficult Tor him TO explain.
/ q Did you take any documents out OF the Dis
trict Attorneys Office in ST. Lousy A did on one
occasionreports, notes and memoranda in regard to
the Avery matter-but they were chiefly matters that
10 the District Attorney 10 his iun satisfaction i be-
lcvo took one telegram away IRON there, telegram
from Buord Wilson, but that has all been explained
TO District Attorney Dyer; he understands tho whole
matter, and was perfectly satisfied with the oxplana-
tiOn.
trying to get his papers away from MIN! A. Well
there is an understanding there, aud that do not
O do not care about 1t III would be detrimental
| the public service. With whom else did you have
the Ba6cock matter save Luckey Bradley, the Attor
ncy General and the Presidentf A. HIS counsel, Mr.
i Storrs: other that remember.
Y. Did you never have any interviews with lawyer
named Cook about this matters A. No do not know
Q. or with man named Benjamin. A do not
TIN ATTORNEY GENERALS POSITION.
q Do you know clerk OF General BabcockY A.
do not know his name; know one by sight, rather
deaf man, with spectaces; ! never had any consulta
ton with HIM about It; never mentioned our bust
ness IN Office all the Attorney General seemed
TO be to this arrangement from the fact that he
| delayed my appointment IRON day to day
Mat hn usue uva In Vnnp nnin mt a N
bS' went q, dracy from the White House 70 the A.
| stated to him exactly what the President told me.
that there any innocent party TO be prosecuted
no wanted him punished; the Attorney General said,
Il intended to commission You today, but
/ Twin say very high oGical whom met upon special
occasions;" understood him TO the Secretary
Of the Treasury AND ,S Ss Of the
mont and said, III you have said anything in that
quarter there is no use IN my going" the Attorney
Official and said he, ''under the circumstances, Is
NO use for you 10 90 out there said mo. but you
| ought have let me find that out Tor myself"
. You know then that the head OF tho Treasury De-
psrmcnt would not have approved Of your going out
thereto play the SPY ON District Attorney DYER A
raI rRgslDEsr's OBJECT
O. When you got that card from the President was Il
understood between you and him that the purpose OF il
10 got you appointment You were to 20 70 st.
Louis and through The District Attorneys ONCE and 70
ascertain whether there any evidence that would
show Babcock's guilt Was that the object OF the
President in sending you theres A. rhe object, as
understood IL was TO ascertain whether there was
any reasonable ground for believing General Babcock
| guilty, and that II that tho President wished
being made TO mako political capital out OF It, or.
IN other words TO persecute an innocent man. the
President wished 10 know u; but no trusted In my
judgment and was not 70 report TO him but 10 the
| Attorney General.
| President in sendng you there was proper ono
to ascertain whether General Babcock was guilty, but
under cover Of tina. appointment the Attorney General
and Bradley, Luckey and Babcock were going to usc
you tor the purpose OF destroying svidcncsf A. MOI
| not the Attorney General
Q But tho others-Bradey, Babcock and Luckey-
wished you 10 there and destroy tho cvidencef A.
Yes, they wished TO do that; will say here how
ever, that had rntontion Of gong thsre before.
because thought my frat duty to tho President
and II found afterward proof OF Babcocks guilt my
ns Il sa
q And as soon As you did inform him you were
out Of the position you had received under the
that the President had any hand in csncelling my
commission; only state the fact as !. ox's.a
The witness produced the letters Of dismissal which
2. ,as ss.cs r y:s x
sR-You are hereby directed 70 return at this
, al the ' papers in your Doc:;ss "snEs yiy G
CsAaIxs s. BELL. No. ip27 Chateau avenue Sc Louis
DEPARTMENT. or THE ISrxRioR)
w.,s osg1ss oy < r r. SIC s.scs r. NJ
ss-your services q. clerk Of class IN the Pension or
nss viii Be dispensed with on and alter this css Rsspses
N.
will state that on my arrival at st. Louis, on the
night OF the l4th OF February, had consultation
with District Attorney Dyer at hts house, at which
there present Mr.. Day, whom believe knew in
this CITY, aud Mr. Eaton assistant counscl explained
all this matter TO Colonel Dyer ~ fully have
planned IL TO the committee, and no understood what
was doing; he knew great deal OF what going
Of which It necessary 70 state the commit
tee
Mr.. suExxAx's IMPORTS AT ST. LOUIS.
q. You were cmpioyc on both sidos thcn2 A. No:
not At ALL
q I Thought Won said that Colonel Dvor know what
you were doingy A. He knew what was dong thOrc
was mn understanding, aud when Roger ~ sherman
came DOT from Mr. Bliss Office, In New York, he got
tho books and papers Mr.. Hogue's case, and il
susceptible Of proof that they wcro turned Gen.
cra Babcock's counsel: aud he furthermore attempted
to carry out In tho District Attorneys oncc, the
sion on which 10 have been SENT but. having
formed Colonel Dyer OF that mission, Mr.. Shcrmans
efforts did succeed
2 What other pcrsons were employed by Babeock.