National Republican., 1876-12-13

proposed to have adopted the rules OF the pre-
then Speaker, Mr.. Kerr, at the time ruled that
the House could not be deprived of the constitu-
tional right to adopt it's own rules.
UxwHoLzsoxE sHow1se-ur.
The following are the proceedings referred TO
by MT. ,GARyIELD as they appear In the congref-
sionsi Record, First Session, Forty-fourth Con-
sMr. RANDALL. submit the following reso-
",Resoiped. That the rules Of the House of
ss
til otherwise ordered, except rule 1856 and rule 49,
".Resoiped further, That committee OF five
members be appointed totake the rules under
sMr. GAREIELD. rise to point Of order
''Mr. RANDALL. demand the previous ques-
SMr GARFIELD. rise to point of order 1
object to the resolutions under The existing rules
which are our rules, without declaration OF this
"Mr. RANDALL. I submit that both these
resolutions are strictly In order. I propose that
we adopt the rules OF the last House, with the
exceptions stated. As to the second resolution
win say there Is no rule providing for the sp-
aMr. GARFIELD. That particular point is
not what object to. object to the first branch
Of the gentleman's resolutions on the ground of
'Mr. RANDALL The gentleman has per-
feet right to object by voting against the resolu-
% Mr. IuS aARPfEIb A RH submit that this is not
kThe sPEEKER, iD1r KERR, Does the gen.
tlemau make that q point Of order7
'.Mr. GARFIELD. do.
.sThe SPEAKER. The Chair overrules It, on
each House the right to adopt its own rules
Whatever may have been the rules Of order OF
preceding House m reference to this matter, they
cannot supersede the constitutional right Of this
House to adoptits own rules. ~ .-.. .
'Mr. RANDALL. The Speaker is clearly
ssMr. GARFIELD. Isubmit that these resolu.
tions should be referred to the Committee on
Rules when appointed.
House, and there was no rule Of the last House,
by which Committee on Rules can be appointed.
It is only by resolution Of this character that the
Speaker can be authorized TO appoint Commit
"Mr. GARFIELD. The gentleman will find
aMr. RANDALL. immemorial usage will do
for that side Of the House, but we mean to have
sSa srct n q the EIs ,S For
cepted be read, and then shall demand the pre-
vious question on the adoption of my resolutions,
unless some gentleman on that side Of the Hou;e
.SThe previous question was then demanded,
and ID M; 5 RAsPA55's resolution was IN radOpsed,"
the position he assumed at the last session in the
remarks referred to. It would be observed that
in all of that debate he had not used the word
Joint He had reference only to the simple rules
Mr. VI. GARFIELD further argued that the
rules could only be operative by the consent OF
both Houses, and that therefore, as they were
not readopted last session, in accordance with
the request of the Senate, they were not In
The SPEAKER inquired whether the gentle
| man himself had not frequently moved TO sus-
pend the 10th and 1Ith joint rules during ses-
sions when the rules had not been formally
MI. GARFIELD replied that he had done so
| undoubtedly, for when the rules are unchal-
lenged they have the same force and effect as If
| they had been adopted. The assumption Of the
bind he senate By series of rule rules s and that the
Congress Of ten years ago can bind this House BY
the rules then adopted. He insised that the de-
of the late Speaker OF the House, the Digest, as
\ wellas the Journal, declare that there are no
Joint jpint rules now IN existence EyeTybody can see
under these rules, and II q, therefore, very i'm
| portant that the question Should be definitely
dentalIy to day, he would not insist upon bis ap-
peal at this time, but would wait until the ques
eTss ias IN assos ebss 81 I
to anticipate any question that might arise, but
he wanted TO stsfe, as matter of fact, that at
gentlemen who are stin members Of this House
recognzed the existence Of the Joint rules BY sus-
| pending some ofthem.
THE uLlADIR,, or THE HOUSE RISES.
MI. SPRINGER, Of Ill, wanted to call the at.
tention Of the House to the fact that it was not
enact the joint rules at the commencement of
every session Of Congress. ~ ra-e...a -.
.s Ms aoAR @ Of Mass inquired That T. authority M
| rules upon House that declared them abrogated2
Mr.. SPRINGER asked in return what would
be ths use q Joint rule If one House could aor0
The SPEAKER remarked that 1t required
ooncurrence Of both Houses to abrogate Joint
rule as we'll as to enact one .,---
Mr.. HoAR asked Mr.. SPRINeER II he held that
the House could not abrogate joint rule.
M sS. replied that no did so 80 hold
House to re enact the rules. They were not re-
enacted for the Forty-second Congress, and yet
Mr. HoAR himself had in that session moved to
exclude the vote Of the State of Georgia under
the twenty second joint rule. .r
ME HOAR said that was so, but on that occa-
sion both Houses acted by consent under the joint
rules
Mr.. HosKINS, of N. Y, inquired how gentle.
| compel their recognition there If that body did
not agree TO them.
.st NO WAY TO COMPEL.
Mr.. SPRINGER replied that there was no way
to compel them. But the House could act under
the rules, and II Intended to do so. lApplause IN
IN Nj. Mo0RARY of Iowa. argued that the joint
rules were still IN force, and the remarks Of
session covered the whole ground. .-....
The SPEAKER said that he knew of no pro-
recognise the existence Of the joint rules. But
| the House of Representatives would recognize
them; The twenty joint rule had been er-
DENTAL vote, and there was no reason why 1t
should not be enforced this year again.
Mr. KASSoN, Of Iowa, wanted to know how
concur to make them so?
The SPEAKER said they were rules until
Mr.. HOAR. BY one House.
The SPEAKER. did not say so.
Mr.. HOAR said It was clear case Of reduciio
binding upon the House Of Representatives.
Mr.. SPRINGER said there was a difference of
opinion as to that and he would have read the
OPINION OF GENERAL BUTLER,
to show that he held that the joint rules were in
He then had read an extract from an interview
with General Butler, in which he held to the
theory that one House could object to the count
The subject was then dropped.
BILL TO UTILIZE PRODUCTS OF GOLD AND SILVER
.. MINES.
Mr.. BLAND then moved to take up the bill
and Mining to utilize the product Of gold and sii,
Mr. BLAND said that this bill had been dis.
cussed for month or more last session, and as
there was difference of opinion among the
friends of the bill he would offer an amendment
e pPoyds tbs Of hs Tsp donr
under the act Of 1887, and to make 1t q legalten-
der for all debts, public and private, except du-
Mr. BLAND then demanded the previous quss
MI KASSoN and others appealed to him to
adjourn was made and the yeas and nays were
called. 1t was finally agreed that two hours de-
bate should be allowed, and that at the expira-
tion of that time the vote should be taken on the
bill and amendments.
POST OFFICE APPROPRIATION BILL.
Mr.. HOLMAN, of Ind, from the Committee on
Appropriations, reported the post ONCE appropri-
alton bill, and was made the special order for to-
morrow in Committee of the Whole. .. 3.
The SPEAKER laid before the House the res
ignation Of Hon. SMITH ELY, jr., as q Representa-
tive from the Seventh Congressional district Of
New York. ~
The SPEAKER appointed the following COM
mittee under the resolution adopted yesterday to
investigate alleged frauds in the recent election
in the cities of New York Brooklyn, Jersey City
and Philadelphia, viz: Messrs. Cox, of N. Y;
RICE, OF Ohio: WADDELL, Of N. c.; MCDoUGALL,
Of N. Y, and WELLS, Of Miss.
On motion Of Mr.. WOOD, of N. Y, q resolution
Fas adopted distributing the clauses Of the Presi-
dents annual message to the appropriate COM
mittees. :
FoETIFICATIoN APPROPRIATION BILL.
Mr.. HALE, OF Maine, from Committee on Ap-
proprfations, submitted the annual fertilization
appropriation bill, and 1t was referred to the
Committee Of the Whole and ordered printed.
The House then, at go p. m, adjourned.
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