The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1876-06-08

Knott had no rlgk: 10 make use Of u b.
lore tho COMMITTEES Or anywhere else until no had
preston At the time Il is still my impression and
oeeve Il is IN accordance with the principles Of the
law OF evidence.
Mr., Frye-Those principles have nothing TO do with
TINS investigation
Mr. Lyndc to Nj. Frye,-I believe you have insisted
before TINS Judiciary Committee over and over again
that committee OF investigation had right to hear
testimony that was not legal testimony, and the CON-
mittee ruled ~ your favor tho question Of evidence
according to the principles OF law.
MT Fryc-Yes two or three times
further did not think, and do not think now thai
Mr. Knott had any right TO report telegram the
House until there was some evidence OF It's sutnent-
city. e might have reported II 10 the committee Tor
instructions but he had already instructed by the
committee 20 telegraph TO Mr.. Caldwell
Mr. Blaine-rhat seems very reasonable but accor-
ding TO Mr. KnotLs statement i've days eapsed and
two days more have elapsed in which he has not
OF that despatch.
Mr.. Knott never said sol on the contrary have
Mr.. Blanc-But Mr. Lynde stated that he said 70
you that the despatch should be lard before the
committee until process was taken to authenticate IL.
aud to show that II actually came from Caldwell IN
London The way to do that was just simple Is it
to walk down stairs aud yet up TO this tme Mr..
Knott has taken no steps looking 10 It
Mr.. Knott say again that that IL not true. have
Mr. Blane-You have not telegraphed to the London
ONCE 10 find whether Josiah Caldwell gave that
M. Lyndo-In regard to telegraph,ng to the London
was spurious despatch sent from London III
1t even came from London) the party who
mus. have '-' claimed 70 be Josiah CALDWELL
given his name and address, and anv telegram adj
dressed TO Josiah Caldwell in London would be received
by that man. Therefore u s very different from
telegram sent TO man at his residence and delivered
him. in the first instance before his name had been
registered In the telegraph ONCE and reply from
him.
Mr.. Baine-There is not an American OF the slight
est note or prominence living IN London who does not
and 1t 10 the simplest thing In the world 10 identity
person. Your proposition goes on tho assumption that
the whole line OF telegraph Offices from Washington to
London were In collusion to deceive this committee
Mr.. Lynds-Not ut ALL
and valid despatch. The telegraph Office here sknows
whether or not Il came through the cable, and you
could have telegraphed to the London ONCE to know
Mr. Lynde-Could not l, If were in London, have
gone into the London once, presented this telegram
and signed my name TO II as Josiah Caldwell, and
would it not have come here just as Il camel M
Mr.. Bla,ne-Bnt the slightest inquiry indicating .
doubt az to whether the person Josiah Caldwell or
would have led investigation a. thorough as
the Law can make II, and you could have had tho
thing certified IN twenty.iour hours II you had
genuine despatch you could have had all the en-
gnery OF tho police at London 70 detect whether .
trick had been played upon the telegraph ofce
imagine ito Mr. Lynde) that man Of your breadth
Of Information does not know that
Mr. Frys-Is not the telegraph In England under the
government?
Mr. Blane-csrtainly, and an attempt to do that
would be imprisonment in Newgate for twenty years
No one would attempt 10 40 that
Mr.. Hunton-Docs any ono else desire to make an
explanation?
Mr. BIaine-I should think II would be in order 10,
Mr.. jerks and Mr. Lord and Mr.. McMahon to make an
explanation am glad to that Mr.. Ashc was anx.
to have II noted that he aid not know anything
Mr. Ashe-l did not know anything about 1t
Mr. BlaineI appreciate tho fact that you wanted II
sftnsu
Mr.. Ashe-I want to state the reason why wished
1t 70 be known. II Is because when you Introduced
your resolution In the House the other day you said
that involved the honor OF the judiciary Committee
Mr. Blaine-I said SO. sir.
Mr. Frye-I want 10 ask Mr. Hunton question
Mr. Hunton-On what ground 40 you want TO ask
questions
Mr. Frye-Because the Judiciary Committee is all
hero and all asking questions l SIMPLY want
to ask whether information was conveyed to you a
fortnight ago Immediately after the despatch 10 Cald
we'll was ordered, giving the address o. Caldwell aud
the address OF his correspondent IN whose your
despatch could be senty
Mr. Hunton-That is certainly not So
Mr. Frye-I am glad to hear 1t, because understood
that 1t
NJ. Hunton-The nearesr that ever got to Mr..
Caldwels address ths:-I went to the Senate
Chamber and sent In $50 anxious was to find Mr. Cad
wells address tor one OF tho Senators from Arkansas,
and asked II be knew Mr. Caldwell's address He
said he did not; that he heard he making railroad
in Italy, one OF the points OF which Milan; but he
could not tell whether he there or in London
Mr. Blaine-You probably have seen despatch in
tho morning papers, dated Boston, June 81
article INTO the proceedings 81 tbs put
Mr. Blaine-You have examined lots OF witnesses on
mere newspaper reports
Mr.. Hunton-I have asked them whether the re-
ports not
Mr. Ashe-This resolutions Of Mr. Biainc's In regard
to the telegram was referrei, understand, 10 the
Judiciary Committee, and we are going on examining
about Il here before tho committee has directed il
to he taken up.
Mr. Baiue-The committee has had forty eig ut
hours to consider II.
Mr. Ashc-And IL has forty eight hours moro
Mr. Blaine.I am perfectly Willing that It should
take six month";
Tne committee adjourned until ten O'Clock TO-
morrow.
THE CALDWELL TELEGRAM
The following Is copy OF the telegram received by
Representative Knott on Thursday last which be fur.
nishes for publication:-
To CHAIRMAN House. JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, w1snIssfcx
.v Have Just read New York papers Scott.
Railway bonds seSs directly siy' D'i inSir.s
ssn
" ' '''' sA''' J! josiah STA / CALDWELL HSi''SI
MORE PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS.
In tho House to-day. as Mr. Knott. OF Kentucky,
arose TO speak on the Geneva Award BILL he was inter.
rupted by MI. Blaine OF Mane who remarked that he
sets tMr. rarbox had some time ago to per-
sonil explanation affecting In way himself but
had Withheld his remarks then on the suggestion that
he Mr.. Biane) was not present
lie also understood that the gentleman had agreed 10
make his statement at tho conclusion OF Mr. Lord
speech. He desired to know what the gentlcmans Mr.
Tarbox) views aud desires
Mr. Knott remarked that the gentlemen blaine and
Tarbox) could settle that privately.
Mr. Blaine-That was done publicly.
Mr. Tsrbox-Thc gentleman from Maine IL In error a.
10 any notice that gave when would SUIT my pleasure
TO rise ngain to privileged question: choose TO select
my own occasion for that purpose and that Is not as
this moment
Mr. BIainc-l want to know whether the gentleman
from proposes 70 when am ABSENT
Mr. Txrbox-1 certainly do | wish to speak
when the gentleman is present, aud shall do 30.
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