The New York herald., 1876-12-11
A Distinction Between Loyal and Dis
loyal Voters.
THE USE or TROOPS IN THE SOUTH.
The Florida Supreme Court Col
lected at Tallahassee.
'GOVERNOH GROWERS uNTENAELE POSITION"

President Grant, In the course OF a long and free
conversation concerning potca affairs to-day, said
that he recently received a despatch from Governor
Chamberlain informing him that II was currently re-
ported Columbia that the President had in hts IN.
terview with Representative Hewitt, OF New York,
week ago, remarked that when sixty-threc members
OF the South Carolina House Of Representatives hold
ing certificates from tho Secretary OF State should
convene, he would recognize them the legal House.
Tho President in reply TO Governor Chamberlain. telc.
graphod that whether no Mr.. Hewitt had sen. or
authorized tho sending OF such despatch it was un-
true that he had SO expressed himself
MERELY 4 PRIVATE OPINION
The President says he had free and agreeable con-
versation with Mr. Hewitt, IN which he said that IN
his Judgment not less than sixty-thrco members
eligible organize tho House transact business,
including the dcterm OF the qualification OF its
members This tho view he then held but II was
merely private opinion, and he might have been
wrong. Tho President that occasion further cx-
pressed with regard tho grounds which
each wing of the members OF the House respectively
claimed their seats and this connection tho Presi
dent produced addressed to HIM by Mr.. hewitt,
dated House OF Representatives December 8, Us fol-
lows:-
MR.. HEWITT TO THE PRESIDENT.
have received a reliable telegram from Columbia,
stati ng that tho sixtythird member bodinG cern-
the House presided by Speaker Wallace which is
therefore organized accordance with tho require
ments OF law as stated by you.
On the same day Mr.. Hewitt sent him another note,
al folows:-
have just received later despatch, saying that tho
Supreme Court OF South Carolina has pronounced its
judgment and declared tho House presided over by ".
il. Wallace TO be the legally constituted House OF
Representatives that Mackcy is private person,
moi Speaker, in respect an officer OF the legis-
latve body.
THE PREsIDEyT'S PARTY.
The President said with reference to these notes
that he did think, alter his free conversation with
Mr. Hewitt that the latter would mako usn OF what be
SAIL for the purpose OF defeating the party which tho
President represented When Mr.. Hewitt and senator
Randolph called him several days ago he Informed
Air. Hewitt OF the contents Of tho despatch no had
ceivcd from Governor Chamberlain and the reply he
had made 10 1t, and intmated TO Mr.. Hewitt that he
thought his confidence had been abused.
Mr.. Hewitt denied that he had sent 10 Columbia
such dcspah as tnat mentioned.
Tho President then repeated to Mr.. Hewitt tho sub
stance OF tho despatch in reply to Governor Chamber
lain as ~ the report current in Columbia
IMpERrINESCE.
Senator Randolph then produced despatch from
General Hampton, In which no said II the President
would recognize the Wallace House ana withdraw the
troops he would do everything possible preserve
the peace. The President remarked that no looked
General Hampton telling him what to do; that the
sending OF troops to South Carolina was in obedience
70 the call Of Governor Chamberlain the danger therc
being too formidable for the authorities of the
State to CONTROL that organized rifle clubs represent
ing General Hampton, were IN tho city OF Coium.
bia, and that II tho federal troops should be
withdrawn there would be peace but it would be tho
rest OF death Senator Randolph then explained that
tho President should not think that General Hampton
sought advise what TO do, and that the despatch
which shown to the President was reply TO
that Senator Randolph had sent to General Hampton.
INSTRUCTIONS GENERAL
II response TO question tho President said no hnd
never instructed General Ruger to place troops tho
state House. but that was the way General Rugcr un.
derstood his orders The troops In South Caro-
lina the President repeated, IN obedience ~ the call
of Chamberlain to suppress insurrecton too
formidable for him TO control and had II not been Tor
these troops Governor Cham would be refugee
to-day as Governor Amcs now IRON Mississippi
rHE SITUATION EMBARRASSING.
The President said the ol conversation that
he looked the situation embarrassing, 10 tho
cast. good deal Of bad temper had been shown on
the democratic side, aud many acting
bly,. They seemed lear that hc doing what was
right and were abusing everybody inr not yielding 10
their vcws This struck him as strange, considering
the scenes through which We have passed.
DISTINCTION BETWEEN VOTERS.
Governor Hayes represented rbe party which
in tho late election carried all but four OF
tho states which furnished the means for
suppressing rcbclion and Governor Tdcn carried
nj, but three those which sought TO destroy the
un,on. In alrsion 10 frauds he said the majority for
T,ldcn in the city OF New York larger than his
tota, majority in the entire Slate, and in which city
much crime is perpc.ralcd and where there is largo
M onnyp her in
the state or in the Republic
FRAUDS ALLEGED.
In the same way frauds were committed In the
States OF New Jersey and Connecticut, while It
true that those OF the Southern states which gave
Governor Tdcn a majority we're voters many OF whom
voted moro than once, but nobody claimed that Tldcn
did not carry such States. The same party that per-
pe,ratcd frauds Of the Southern States for Til
den complain OF frauds in Florida, Louisiana South
Carolina but IL there had frauds in Mississippi
Sorth Carolina and Arkansas these States would have
gone for Hayes and Wheeler.
LArRgSs AxD EDGErIELD.
The President justified the exclusion OF Laurcns and
rarcfcld counties from the south Carolina returns
on the grounds that Gcorgians voted III them ire
auently and more votes than there were voters
for the democrats Much tak, he said had been made
about the use OF troops; but considering the number
OF lives sacrificed and tho many political murders
the South, II was necessary 10 afford the required
protection.
The President thought all was not quiet In the SOUTH
and said that, so far he could, he wonld protect
every one from violence and that all past steps TO this
end had been duy considered.
the IMPEACHMENT QUESTION.
In reply a remark that u seemed as u the demo-
Gratis had abandoned the OF Impending him, the
President said he would advise them not 10 attenptii
for il might bring evidence which they would not
like 10 SEQ spread on the record That he would rather
trust rebels than their Northern allies and tried TO say