New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1876-02-18

President surtevant offered tho following resolution:
Resolved That the Council invite Judge Van Colt 20
npiiYe TO ncsot!aons for the Mutual Council between
himself as Mrs. Mouons representative ana the Oo'n
mttcc of Ply mouth Church
Presiden. stur,evant then spoke follows:
was veiy much erathed when Dr. Bacon INTRODUCED t
tho topic 81 which hi' resolution refers iee tne aso
lutte necessity Of inviting Judge van Cot' 10 iriy
fore TINS body under all the advantages Ior t
on # i'm reference to the facts Of that negotiation whch
the COMMITTEES Of Pymouth Church has eoled IN reer
nce to flc same and feel assured that II TINS C1hc
& f ofi aSSs M its result upon the Of
Plymouth Church, that We shall 90 fiShou.i, ,,c =
"a NJ operation. Here is simple question i
fact: Was PymOutl Church. the commute % = ~,
mouth Church biamewOTthy. ,nSnfaDle ~ any pua, i
the failure Of these negotiations for muiua. ,oun
Now we nave heard tEer statements tnelr Sv'vn r
are very clear. ana far as appears al pres ht; 10y
safisf.ct0rv Btt as Dr. Bacon has Said d"o q''eTtm
,a,n, there is another side question, ami II we
p "a ~, our resale shall nav Influence upon The
public mind ana be respected we must h'a tn"' o'"7'
ii will lie asked Why not then call in all The parties
And here am very reluctantly compelled 10 dissent
from Dr. Bacon. DO not think thai the Uniting OF the
pastors the Clinton Avenue Chuich ana q to %
nf the Pilgrims stands AZ ali upon the same ii'', I'M
this matter stands upon Ihcy arr MOI ot 20 this hdv
this body They cannot be put on TRIAL before is poS
KemarAs have been made incidentally by TINS ,om'oHe
Council is going to consider nothing whatever III I'iuH
here that TIE Committee Of Plymouth Chuich OBJECTED
or suggested The Improperly 0l caimS tntso trIi
Church had q Int TO IFS own opinions on mat point anu
. we are not Ia citicise plymouth CmIch l1i Tiool
mining an opinion in reference 10 ther Illness lHiV
have been iIulatons enough; there nave Dtn Inc
.ments enough in this city brooklyn - account ioI to
Iact that Plynouh CLarch has some s1"Si'l, vioGS
this sulj, 81. and to render thdt cNcls''p " rs a
fbey have some mjustiGabe senSitveess man mas a
RIGHT a church has a risht IN CERTAIN cIcuH>Ii'C'N'
far a. ther clow-man is COnccinc 10 Dc oAeou anu -,
the course If discussions at the s,Veih Win "mcn
some remarks have seemed 20 l. ar upon OS' ,1
and their pasOis; mit, sun the itct t.l =, ,'ts
Church ugsosted that those pastors We're unsa''ans
.lnen 10 S Z re- only implied that thty Were NM hYl
that they were bad men AZ al pnl '" INV, W. i,u
to those bists and pr,luulS Wh'Cu al h'H d" '"tJ
TO- and tnan aat h implied ~ Il; ana '."u
he wiling in The result II The Council 10 declare ta' no
more than thtj was implied III H. - .,, aud
say, then, lat these churches are nor On t, | r
the iac ia, have been objected to Is no siou' iI
their Appearing mere 10 vltcaiG tneroNeS ~ an and
tor tDat great Council To have proponndcd It's opinions 70
the world Oh those QUESTIONS MiIM" i, Tdie ne an
outrage open and obvious biore all mon. lro,'ei
said IT made great difference whcI you are lostel "
crowd whether you sal in TIE middle OF the great pahc
MAKE All the difference IN tue world And there Is no
occasion whatever To call those gentlemen IN iOr si-
indication ilthouS there was the Dtst OF iSe
reasons WY Plymouth ChElcn should he odii'd III IA
That ius Neither have We any 0ec4 'H 10 Ic INC
effect OF the precedent OF inviting Judge Van COZ ia
reference q the other Questions ...,, 49,. ,,o
now under No. t. inns Council peases 10 can up Tue
dealings Oi Pymodth CEuich VIA MI lntoi y. va,
MouliOn th,n there Will be tie same necessity q" nearing
Mr.. Triton Bowen tina. there is now OF heafinS
judge Van COtt bat until the C1he oitls "a , sno
question al investigating tao actual proceedings I" ny
eyer WHY thos sc gentlemen should he cal cj upon Tie
case is sin, tins Council decides tIat Ply noui
Cunc th,n i; docs saw thai Mis- Moultons through her
representative has done wrong for the Mhua Couci
failed by TIE fault OF one on tie 0thcr ana II We 81!
dd moi Ia by the fault o. Plymouth Cbnrch' we III th'
same words say it did fail by tAc fault O MR. IOutOh
The Rev. Mr. Howe said it seemed 10 him th't candor
and fairnC $ demanded this of the Council He lad full
confidence that Plymouth Church and It's pastor could
bear all the light that could be turned upon them they
lad shown disposition TO turn on the gaet from cellar
10 garnet and rom garrett To cellar The Council was
asked TO advise the church II had been commit
ted and il only and candid that 1t should nave
Mr. Van Cots explanation of what he thought were tho
facts of the case one the points Of discussion that
came before his own church that this church Ia lts
foot upon a woman-Mrs. Monltcn He sad 10 ms
church that # this the fact that was just tlc reason
why they should send delegates to the COUNCIL who
would take The of the church Off that woman Il II
was on her They needed 10 invite Mr. Van Cot here to
state his views al the case; MI, ,i,; ,r.s yo, in
the discussion evening that unless this course now
suggested was tax H. the public would eniirey d7s,n
from any expression Of our views; would nave ~ chrc
wb9tever Bur. SIR responsible Tor tatf W are
Invited here by Plymouth Church and s OH 'ers 10 al
wise and suggest them anything tiat we lhOlSht
proper, with regard 10 their acts ana donSs Ihrr sle
ments ten, 81 matters made wan Plhnle,' ana ran
ness and apparent inpartIaiiy. their COMMITTEE nav"
made to and left It for Us 10 ac ana "I ,sr upon
Now sir II further, and open the door 10 those
who would dissent from them and those who would on
tOver their decision, are we not virtually changing the
The Rev MI Wehuan-I do not know how much need
there is 10 dscSs til question: but do moi il'o 10 Ye
MY Judgment for Il Il "i the giiNe>t I'M 1r'n nav
uss this vote made by Dr S;urcNanL listened Ia the
whole discussion last evening Win the glcis h'"iSl
and concern II seems to that there can hc no ql
ton hut tn" common ecclesiastical law }, that whei'
a council, Congregational council 3S,enn,s' nj Is
iislf er pcyf 81 amy question coming before tai Is II
Farte. thai &c othcr eide should be he4rt ,.,,.
Mr BrecheI 90 act wish To delay the vote bn visit
simply to sta G. IA nriidi 81 the Snici 'Aat nae g%n
feeling OF tc COmlltt e OF Iyniu th
Church hos been undcrstsed We are not Oiy Wiling,
but We are positively dsir Us aud II this Council s4aI.
not invite Mr. Van Colt il VIII De Tor reasons ~ them
selves an uOi for any asons 10 us We have ch rus
Ia this Council That Whatever !ou "tht we "'Di ,ictu'
you want 10 mat il al ana w VIII hac4 ny th" t"uich
tn the
h brns m otacI ciulcAe Oh uoI hiiNIS'IS % az!
other poins Mr. shc'1nah On brLaio IN ,o.1in'
urged Ia sh OF no Committee OF Jlls Church. ina
Nh. Van Cltt should be sent .Or.
TIE original resolution inviting Nj. Van Colt to al-
pear before the Committee was unanimously adopted
TIE SPECIAL COMMITTEES REPORTS.
Prof Ly uan Abbott from the Business Committee, re
ported TIE following resolutions:
ResoIed That the special committees o; this body be
crioed L., Lecp their results private. and that their
o,sOn, c c pIcd and considered Ia private hrssiOn.
Resoiped That in the presentation OF The Icief. 90
tie special committees any OF them this Council 20
into committee the whole for tnclr sderd On That
special committee of nine be elected by tins Council on
nomp1t on ~ the Moderator By and with the advice OF
The two Assistant JoJoTatOrs, wich committee shall al
te close sGc discussion, take the results O sch dis
cussOn ard cmOOdy them III report 10 TIE Council io
it's final consideration ana aCtOh
Dr. Woicoti-I hope the first resolution will now be
withdrawn object having been secured Ny the reading
OF it, move Il be LAID the table, because don't
want it TO appear that it is necessary TO instruct our
committees to keep the business before them wAon from
the very naturc Of the case II should be.
Dr. Bacou-I doubted IL it would be possible 10 bold a
Council in private in this place and therefore am ad
TO something put record IN the way OF protest
against the customs Of the kin dom. lI.aughtrl
The following offered substitute for the arst
resolution and adopted
Resored That the Council by itself to hear and con
sder The reports Of the special committees.
Dr.. Bacon said he wanted to say word about recon-