The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1876-06-08

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tee appointed on the Sd Of May.
Mr.. BIZ ine--rhat Is what the docket says
Mr.. Knott-Precisely; and understand that Mr.
Blaine has called attention OF the reporters to that
tact a order show that | told an untruih.
hr. Baine-I said that You contradicted my state
ment and that 1t was question Of yeracity between
Mr.. Knott did not contradict any Statement, you
made.
Mr.. Blainc-whsn had stated that this committee
had been appointed to examine this matter you rose
this had been appointed before and
that you had not heard OF my name III connection win
the matter.
Mr. Knott understand that Mr.. Blaine has called
the attention Of The reporters-
Mr. Baine--l called the attention Of tho committee
and the reporters
and will be obliged TO The reporters 10 give the facts
state them. Some time after what Is known as the
Luttrell resolution introduced, how long do not
know, but within comparatively short time, pro-
posed to appoint subcommittee TO investigate the
suojec. matter Of that resolution went TO
would take place on that subcommittee He
declined to do or asked to be excused. ! went TO
Mr.. Frye and proposed TO him 10 take place on the
committee but Mr. Frye remarked that he was in the
minority and did not propose TO do any more work
than was necessary or words to that effect then
went TO Mr. McCrary and asked him II II would DO
agreeable for him 10 serve on the committee MI
McCrary remarked that there was gentleman OF his
no involved IN those railroads IN some way
and be would rather not serve on the committee
then went TO Judge Hunton AID told him that
as chairman OF the committee. He remarked that
he would like to have me as chairman told HIM
ASSISTANCE
him to act chairman OF the committee ] went irn.
mediatcly to Mr. Ashe and told aim also that would
appoint him on the committee, 70 which he assented
then went to Mr.. Lawrence and told him wanted HIM
to that committee, and he in his usual good ma
tnred and pleasant manner, remarked IN,
say, Mr. Chairman" Now the precise date | cannot
nx but II was before Mr. Frye went North on the can
vass Whether l omitted to inform the Clerk OF the
appointment OF that committee or whether did IN
form him and he did not make the entry on the Docket
l do not know. The committee, howcvar, was APP
MT mn tn act
upon it day after the rarbox resolution was
passed. do not speak by the recordthe clerk Of the
committee asked me to whom would refer IT, re-
plied to the Committee the Pacific Railroad resolu-
ton He looked at the docket and remarked that the
names Of there, and ask cd me
who thew we're. ! responded Judge Hunton Judge
Asae and Mr. Lawrence. suppose he made the entry
at that time. l did not look TO see whether he made
the entries both at that time not but those
are the facts
Mr.. Baine--I desire to make short statement at
Mr. Knott desire, first, that those gentlemen who
have heard mako my statement shall say whether
am correct not
MI Hunton--So far as know, your statement is I
think, the exact truth. cannot state thc day on
which you mentioned this matter 10 me, but you had
mentioned TO me, AS chairman of the subcommittee TO
take charge Of this investigation, ordered by the Lu
resolution long time before this other reso-
Mr. Lawrence-I do not think was in the hall when
the Luttrell resolution passed and do not know under
what resolution the suocomm!see on me racinc Kali
ton to his having asked 10 the sub COM
mittee, a fact which had forgotten until he did
call my attention to 1t; and then remem-
bored that no did, he says. come to my
seat think, in the House and asked me 10 serve on
that sub committee, and said TO HIM In substance
that everything he said | would do That matter
escaped my attention entirely, as have SAID, until he
reminded mo OF It There was nothing done under that
appointment
Mr.. Blame dnterrupting)-Until after the TarbOx
esoutionY
Mr. Baine--That is the point want TO get out.
Mr.. Lawrence When the .Tarbox resolution was
me that was to act with hmm under the resolution,
something TO that effect. and said 10 me that
should notify MI. Blame or could notify our,
for commencing the examination 10 suit the con
vencnce Of Mr. Blaine. That was the first time that
l had heard any ntmation, SO Tar as ! can now re-
member that there was TO be any investigation Of Mr.
Blaine.
Mr.. Lawrence-Then 1t was arranged that nothing
should be done until after we should return Rom the
opening OF the Exposition at Philadelphia, the next
week. Mr. Hunton notified me that he would COM
mencc the examination OF witnesses on this sub-com-
which was the evening OF Mr.. Hams examination.
Mr.. Blainc-That was the first thing that was dono
under the Luttrcll resoutionf
Mr. Lawtence-rhat the first thing done under
any rcsolLtlon was not present at this examination,
though was notified OF the time OF meeting The ex-
animation has gone on SINCE swe all know. That Is
about the condition of the matter as understand IT,
MIR Knott-Mr. Lawrence at tho time came TO you
and told you that you were appointed on the sub COM
mite, that long time before tho Tarbox resou
tions
MIR Lawrence-Oh, yes; long tine before the Tar
box resolution and according my recollection there
was nothing SAID thought OF any investigation as
TO Mr. Bainc-at least had not heard II spoken OF SO
far as | Temember-and when was notified by MT.
Hunton the facts OF our previous conversation had
escaped my memory. and supposed II was new
Mr. Frye desire to say simply that Mr.. Knott, the
Chairman of the judiciary Committee notified me to
the committee under the Luttrell resolution,
my recollection is as member Of the committee,
but that declined that IN a laughing way in decn-
Ing said to him, which believed to be true. that the
democrats were engaged IN great deal OF dry work,
ana being of the minority, did not propose TO help
them any Therefore disappeared from the sub-com-
mittee, but that was before went to New Hampshire
in the political campaign OF March.
Mr.. Blaiue-You went to New Hampshire about the
10th OF March,
MT Frye-Ycs: and il was prior to that time
Mr.. HurdI desire to state that the Chairman Of the
Judiciary Committee (Mr. KNOTT, about the Time that
Mr. Frye speaks Of requested me 10 act upon this
committee, ana that declined on the ground that
already on two investigating committees and that
had gotten trcd OF the work OF investigation, so lar
was concerned and that did not intend to be on
any more committees.
Mr.. Ashe-. will state that. so far as recolect the
time when IL first announced 10 me that this com
mittec was formed. my recollection corresponds with
Mr.. Knots statement
Mr. Hunton-I desire to state that we hold the first
meeting at my room and took the testimony OF Nj.
Ham relation the lest bonds Of the Union Pacific
Railroad whether after or before that examination
Mr. Blame unterposing)-You held that meeting on
the 4th OF May.
MIR. Hunton-l understand that
Mr.. Blane-That before the Tarbox resolution
Mr.. Hunton-l have not SAID word about that. III
you will let mo hnsh my statement you will under
stand what say. say whether II was before after
the examination Of Mr.. Ham am not able TO say. but
after the introduction OF the Tarbox resolution,
probably after its reference Il pretty surc) TO the
subcommittee TO which the Luirel resolution had
been referred, dId send message 70 Mr. Blaine sub
stxntially Judge Lawrence has sta ell II and prob
ably on the same day. Ii had 10 state II would
state that on the same day or Immediately there
after. Mr.. Blame sent Tor 10 coue into the room
OF the Ways and Means Committee and there this
statement was made by MIR. Blame except that
g. fuller and in dctail, which had asked Mr..
Lawrence to tell him. told HIM, among other things
that desired 10 conduct this examination kindly and
mpartially but that IL should be AS thorough as
could make IT, and he requested not TO enter upon
II at once because he desired 10 go TO the Centennial
This the week before the celebration at Philadcl
phia at which many members Of Congress attended
Mr.. Blaine-Was not that rather mutualY Did II not
transpre that you wanting TO 10 your courts
and was II not mutual arrangement
Mr. Hunton--No, sir; there not word about
my~courts
Mr.. Blaine--But you did 60 to your courtss