The New York herald., 1876-10-09


81 believe in the establishment ~ such government
in the future II may be a confederation, republic
or Kingdom but II VIII come as surely as tho Mohnm
mcdan rcllgon will have to givo up its ioothold in
Europe. and the Turkish government knows 1t as well
Here The interview ended, and It may be gathered
from tho utteranccs or these two distinguished men
that general war is not likely to occur Even should
the present negotiations fail renewal OF hosities IN
the Morava Valley will soon end the matter The Ser
Wan army IS gaining IN strengh-Russian strength
every day, and the war would bc renewed with in
creased confidence. DECISIVE Servan victory would
bring matters to an issue, and We might soon SEQ
Turkey treated as was ancient Poland
ENGLAND'S EASTERN INTERESTS.
LORD DERBY EXPLAINS THE SITUATION AS SEEN
THROUGH MINISTERIAL sPECTAcLEs.
LONDON. Sept 27. 1876.
The following are the most striking features in Lord
Dcrby's speech to-day the Guildhall meeting The
salient features OF The Foreign sccrctary's remarks
could be abridged for tho cable and tho subject
daily becoming of graver interest the fol owing
from tho body of his address will DO with
Interest,"
AN EXTRA SESSION OF PARLIAMENT.
No doubt IL Is conceivable that there might arise a
state OF things so grave and SO faught with danger
10 Europe that the public would rightly and properly
desire that Parliament should be summoned for Its dis
cussop. and that the themselves would be
wiling To adopt that course as tending to strengthen
their hands, but though that is conceivable state of
things, It Is not one which has arson and am bound
to tell you that it is which appears prob
able. II may say frankly what expect do not think
you will The general peace OF Europe broken
tho old fabric OF tho Turkish Empire broken up.
l think 1t may DO open TO doubt whether in n time
OF general European peace and OF absolute tranquil
lily as regards all internal affairs, therc Is any adc-
quatc reason for resortiny to step which has never
been taken except in period OF war or or some
between France and Germany were considerably moro
important II may venture to say so, than what is
TO the magnitude OF the operations. TO the actual
amount OF ploodshed involved, or to the ultimate
suits ON the destines Of The world
WHAT LORD DERBY DENIES.
think. If this were the tirnc OF the place. 1t would
not be difficult 10 show that there has been
moment since the Crimean in which English In
luence mas not been used to detect point out in
stances Of misaovcrnment in Turkey. dony utterly
against ana he &c Christian We have been in iavor
Of maintaining the territorial integrity Of Tho
Turkish Empire; but that as ! have explained or
another audience, Is an entirely different matter.
II, no doubt is true things have grown worse rather
than better within the last year or two don't think
you have got far TO look tor tho which has pro.
duccd that result. With an insane Sultan, with
bankrupt treasury, with civil war widely extended,
and "a considerable extent supported from Abroad
with Minister'S and officials changed In tho most arbi-
trary and capricous manner from their posts ut days
notice. 1t Is not too much 10 say that the state Of
Turkey during tho last two years or so has been
the Of utter administrative anarchy In which
almost every junction of government has been in
abeyance But the real question 49, What do you want
us to do? Now, there are various plans winch have
been put before the pubic, one Of which think may
mention only to put aside That is, the plan simply
washing onr hands OF the whole affair and letting Tho
Turks and the Turkish Empire drift where
they please. Now. think it is quite u suf
Icient answer to proposition of that kind
say that. If we were to act upon 1t in practice
and H. tho rcsul, OF our abscntion an internecne
war marked by every circumstance OF cruelty aud
atrocity TO follow, the pubic feeling OF the
try-,nc feeling which mas been SO strongly excited by
the events OF tho last few weeks-would make 1t i'm
possible Tor Us TO persevero IN that policy. say moth
ing OF what might happen at ConstantIope, because
know this moment Tor English Minister To talk
Is 10 use very unpopular phrase.
THEORY vs. PRACTICE.
But the first requisite for policy that II shall be
practicable and the leaving these Eastern questions
settle themselves is not as matters stand, practicable
alternative. Well, ihen comes second proposal IL
is ono which has undoubtedly found very WIDE and
general acceptance in this country, and has been
eagerly ana even vehementiy supported by very
eminent persons-itis to turn tho Turks govern
ing Power altogether out of Europe to leave them a
nominal suzerainty ana liked tribute. and nothing
more. Now, perhaps you will hear me in patience
whilo make one or two comments upon that pro-
posal. In the nr.t place. II the policy which you
there indicate is sound policy 40 not see why you
TO be arrested by the arbitrary geographical line
which you have drawn IL 1t Is fact that government
by the Porte however modified or however controlled
is utterly and incurably bad; IT, say that is tho view
YOU take, do not understand why you entirely
ignore The claims OF those several millions o; Christians
who inhabt the Asaiic provinces OF the Turkish En-
pire | do not know why your intcrpostion is TO end
at Cons,autiuopic and yet nobody, so far as have
heard. has proposed TO do anything for those OF
whom speak. but there IL something more than
that You cannot, as reasonable men, suppose that
suicide You c'nnot suppose that II would willingly
and without resistance allow Itself TO DO turned of
Europe Very well, then, you nre IN that case driven
to use force. Hear, hear, and voice. "We DO not
obiect'l You do not objectS (Cfies OF mo, no liv
So thought, you do not object, but who IS to do ~
"a voice: 'RussH.f y
ExGIASp's ENEMIES.
Who will be with your | can tell you who Will be
against YOU There is at lcast one european Power
which have doubt would resist. at the OF
war tho substitution Of a Savonlc Tor Turkish
State France, Germany and ltay would look OF. a
t.l,,
answered Russia" Tho Russian government has
never proposed any change sweeping and although
ii is rather delicate matter 10 speculate upon what
the policy and conduct OF foreign governments might
be under circumstances Which had not arisen, very
much doubt whether tho Russian policy would be
served by change of that kind You must
recollect that whatever wc may do, foreign
politicians and foreign Cabinets are not i'm
pusyc and they 10 tn, least likely to be drawn
in,v crusade Of this KIND unless they clearly
.ome national bcncnt which is to arise from 1t. Wc
should therefore according 10 the proposition which
am now discussing and which see finds much layor
this room, be .lt without an ally aud possibly with
a, least one Europcan opponent 10 undo by orco our
work OF twenty years ago with all Europe per-
picked At the suidenness Of our change aud probably
with every continental politician as:ribins to us some
deep and incomprchensibc plan of national sggran-
dizemcnt.
PopuLAR pKLusioxs.
say nothing of other difficulties which would arise
from the natural jealousy Of races know II is pop
uinr theory England to suppose that all the Chris
tan OF European Turkey are u homog cncous
whole and agree with another but nothing
be further from the fact than that. You have u
deep religious antipathy between the Roman Catholics
who rather a numerous body. and tho Greeks; and
have the strongest possible jealousy between The
Greeks and the Savonc races. You have scattered
throughout European Turkey minority but sun
a powerful and influential, and, u pushed
extremity, very determined mnorty-ot Mo-
hammsdsn population, aud I leave you judge
what would bo the effect in civil war carried
such Of countrywhat would Uc the inassacres,
what would be the atrocities, what would DO the
amount crime committed and of blood she'd orc
the object you desire could be attained am speak.
Ing, OF course OF the change which are discussing
being made by violent means, because assume u a
thing that requires proof; that II II Is made by
force II will not, IN our time, be made al ALL for tho
which have given. and partly also because