The Republican journal. [volume] (Belfast, Me.) 1829-current, 1876-03-16
Blaine and Lamar,


to be instructed whether or not to obey
the summons to produce the evidence in
the Belknap case before the Supreme
Court of the District 1t will be found in
teresting; but it does not give report
sufficiently full to be properly appreciated
of the scene between Lamar of Mississippi
and Blaine. Accordingly we append a
fuller report. Lamar contended that the
House having begun proceedings against
Belknap, was entitled to finish them with
out interference.
Mr.. Lamar am ready to take the RESPONSE
blllty OF meeting this thing IN timine. These
papers, this evidence, this testimony are in the
possession OF this House through its committee;
it has exclusive control and custody of them
and if it allows judicial tribunal to take them
from Its control, YOU are dispossessed of them,
and that too while this impeachment trial may
be going on. William w. Belknap is in the GUS
tody of this House, sir. He is undergoing a
trial.
Mr.. Blaine-I hope the gentleman
Mr.. Lamar-Wait until | get through my
sentence.
The Speaker pr1 tempore-The gentleman
from Mississippi declines to be interrupted, and
fact.
Mr.. LAMAR repeat, sir, he is in the legal
custody OF this House. under Its constitutional
control If the gentleman from Maine means to
say we have not the bodily possession Of him by
arrest, so be 1t: but we have got control of him.
Mr.. Blaine We never intended to arrest
him.
Mr.. Lamar-We may arrest him, and will do
1t II 1t Is necessary, and can do it. DO YOU deny
our competency?
Mr. I},ipa = Trp1anI,.o3l.- -, ,, ;,.,,,o.a1
ment. deny it, and say it is perfectly absurd
Mr.. Lamal-l on also said it was absurd to
say there was anything punishable in an i'm
parchment; and when my friend from Tennes-
see, Mi. Bright the distinguished gentleman
from that State. said of two concurriuo iuriS-
dlctlons, that one having already acquired it by
initiating the proceedings could not be oustcd,
the gentleman inflicted upon him that most ter
IIble OF all punishments the forfeiture of his
respect for HIM As an attorney. Laughter. |
trust the gentleman will survive, and, in full
view of that penalty myself, l assert, sir, it is
True, and that an Impeachment is penal trial;
that there is judgment, conviction, and, in the
very words which the gentleman used "puni-
tive punishment"
Mr.. Blaine-Then the gentleman takes the
ground that the man could he twice punished
for the same offence? ] say that impeachment
Is protective and that the criminal jurisdiction
is punative. That is what say. and 90 on to
say further that there never has been an i'm
Peaehiheht III the Chlteu STATES III which there
Mas any atiehpl 70 possess the BODY because OF
the Impeachment. The possession of the body
j. OF no account in impeachment. The Judge
ment which deprlVes the man Of the right to
hold office is just as effective if the man were
absent as in the case Of his being present; and
there never was an arrest of Il man for i'm
parchment in this country.
MIR. Lanar-Are YOU sure of that?
Mr.. Blane-YeS, sir
MI lalhif-llen lei US form tins issue, PLAIN
and complete, INC gentleman says there can
MOI pe Two puhlshlnenls inflicted on an lndlyld-
uai loT !Ile same offence. Here Is the constltu-
ION: when a1ys lhal me ollcer snail not only
I t ieiilo9e u lIoh olnco on IMPEACHMENT and
"Lsqi'aileu 70 holu ounce thereafter, but that ne
NnaiI 9e suGect 70 Indictment, convection, and
p' Wn1,r sir ~ ; Jury 99sdeS.
800 49, ~ iHeic Is tne constitution. mat
W. 1i! II question: oi the gentleman. ANA
a. f e, il'l we VII lose ms re-
H. ~ Inc Wlieh II responds 70
~ quest ~ Sayl ny tliat man guilty Oh an
i' e1e@pIf ulehse shill oe punished not only
tion ~ ~ hl liI Giiioe MOI pnf ny 9Squailll-
Catio i " holi olice' puI also py lhdiclmeht
NJ NJ ie1 ~ anu Punl9 nhenI'
s+;ti,ia,, i'S''u It, heAu II from Inc con-
NJ ~ Jn,,,
fli,, I'lii'.' ile'o II ~ Sh'
Ar pihina 1,,,,,.,,,,,,+ =, ~ ,,....., E.,
-. i'l"l1iT YluS iislit' ana ptihIshlhe nj.
~ oH' lLau2n{ef.
don, oaIi nG st'ie,ia a oracuat WIS,
I'm ms Ioi "a l'tuSh. before we are thro
M i"us VIII Nc ~ MN instead OF etsh him.
49,, ~ SentlTHi"n SAYS Judgment ana wishes
~ ~ ca Pi'i" tii0 "olu I""y"SeH."
Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not ex-
tenu iui.her man 70 removal from Office and dis
trnst o~ npnf ~ " t NY any once OF hohor'
49,. - ii-'e' 81 ''''S
II hol Ihal punishment:
there ''''''i'e "'''9'''Ae'' . NOT mentioned
triNle'
NoW' It'u on
,rantg '-'i'''i v" Say that y MOI ii PUNISH
Mr. Rloino-coo
Mr. Lamar mt the ouestio,, f., the aa,,tIo-
man because of rs intarr1ntio,, ~ ,,t 49,
from ottire ana observation-disclosures, 70 LII a.
,1; -. ~ experimentation " hoiu oHlce Il
Mr. Rlajnn--If tbo ,,ontlo,,,..,, ..,,o.,., - -.
being moral p,nislimenTt pan - i''
Mr. Iamar-No sir
Mr. RIainp-If he sno,l.y ,t H.. l,,i,,,, =. ,,,,.o,
punishment he NAV he ri,,bt ht I,,+ i', 'o" d
ishment it is not. r''"
Mr. TanarNI j. tl,o ,,,,,+lo,,,,,,
il is 4 moral nunishmnnt az or it ~ az
legal punishment ''0'' '"' - 1t ''' Il
MIR. RE1ine-It i NOT
Mr. Iamor-Tban tha ,autl,,,,.,,, ,o,., .,,o. -
removal from Office :, diSn,.Iiti'+in, ~. III
office. while moral retrhntion or l,H,e.
Of that kind * NOT in tba contntn
law and the constitution ,-n,pi, u 'iiJ
punishment Very we'll
Mr. Blaine-Now read tho navt mart
Mr. Innor-I am ,.o,oi,n,T ~ II ~ pa =, ,,,t
That is one thing. Then Iii. ~ tha
constitution GOES ON To- sav. 'S'''' " ''''
But the party conyirted-
What, SRI The marry co,,r;rje7g, # =
not judgement, this tilnt # i no,,i.tjI.. -
And What i, conyirtion sir l,t I'M, indorot
inn penal trial. Vy vii M, ~ men, ,Sr,'
further directly 9'''
pu+ +,,or,.r+,. ,,-;...., .,.-,, ....,,.,
and suect tn indnt4 s ,r GfteIaeSS DC habe
ishment ACCORDING 70 law JUG anu pun
Now ro+i,o Ill, la,o..,.,.. -.
WV o, motiee iilie llnSot9e again. ferhaps L
V'Il coAN NICE inc gentleman;
tend nrthn, than 70 or sha not ex-
~ M .li nan 10 rSHloVtI from Once ana dis
trust, or profit under the United States.
Very well. Now sir tha .,o,tIon,o, cove
that tbis i no nnnishmant an5 that ,Ia ani
punishment in the eve of the law is that which
This provision speaks of in the second cl.use /
have too much respect for him as a LAWYER to
tell him that he is under a mistake on that
point; but there are men who hold a different
opinion on that. May have theattenion of the
gentleman and Of his admirng acclaimers and
appauders to the authority which is almost as
high upon questions of constitutional law as
himself? ! read from Wallace's Supreme Court
reports. Now notice. The court is speakino
of certain constitutional disabilities innnoso,i