The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1876-06-15
IN them thousand times. and are now engaged in

IN them thousand times. and are now engaged in
RrroRrER-In using the term "ralIroad mem, how
comprehensive do you intend It 10 be UNDERSTOOD
Mr. PuGn--I mean that peculiar combination, repre-
usntcd by such men as Tom Scott or Jay Gould. IL
has been frequently asserted aud deEied that Jay
Gould is the proprietor OF the New York Tribune an
assertion Of the truth Of which there almost concu
siye evidence in the fact that the Tribune which has
for several years advocating "purity of admins
tration in public affairs abaes none Of It's zeal IN the
support Of Blane's candidacy.
REroRrEE-From the facts you have stated what IN
ference do you draw Of Banes prospects in the Con-
Mr.. PueH-That he will not loso on Wednesday or
Thursday any OF his extraordinary power. On the
contrary, that the elements Of this power, ike HIM
sell, will become Determined and defiant BY the very
exposures lately mado. How many OF the appointees
named as delegates from any OF the States may be
ion OF considerable interest," but do not believe IL IS
question OF serious doubt They have been chosen
and will Be- holden strictly TO their promises Blaines
votes will stick The great body oil his supporters In
ruth nave ne second cnoce ana can nave none, us
the purpose tor which Mr. Blame was selected that Of
giving the combined railroad and corporate interests OF
the United States and especially OF The Pacific and the
new States foothod in the Presidency and the gov
smmcnt OF the United States by means Of which they
Or the creais Eobiiier scheme believe that Blaine
viii tho 6rst ballot every that has been
promised . him. and thai hs vote WIN pc sSs
b. that Of which ! see but little hope,
combination OF the friends OF all tho other
charlottesville sincere friends, ! mean not
those who their votes by way OF compliment or
compulsion-I am IN fearful expectation OF the nom
nation Of Blaine on the third ballot Those men who
talk OF distributing his assets after the first ballot had
better take that he does not dispose Of large
portion OF their estates the second and tne third
ballots II must DO remembered also. that the rail-
roads have suffered considerably during tho last two
three years by the persecution Of the grangers in
the Western and Northwestern States and by very Sc
wore Legislation In some instances so that tho rail-
road companies arc position that It bchoovcs them
not merely to protect themselves against further at
tacks in that direction but to the position Of
great prosperity which they enjoyed until the year
speedily and uniedly and with spirit OF defiance Of
which Blame himself set an example in the House OF
Representatives. That is the real story, 10 my mind,
and explains the whole campaign
REPoRrRR-But tho railroad combination OF which
you speak is composed Of democrats well republ
Mr.. PUGn-That is true and they viii he in both con-
veutions The democrats will help the republicans for
Blaine aud the republicans will the democrats
St. Louis in tho selection OF their candidate do not
believe Cameron, either the old tho will DO
able 10 take from Blaine the vote OF Pennsylvania tho
hrst or second ballot IL Ia question, however oil the
Cameron influence, aided by the administration the
side against the Pennsylvania Railroad Company
on tho other
REPoRrxR-whcrc do you think Bristow stands in tho
race?
Mr. PuGH-I think he took tho held too latc Taking
the Brstow CLUB here In Massachusetts, Tor instance
DO not think they amount 10 thing IN political
contest The old gentlemen make handsome speeches
md retire to bed early the men engaged In business
lhnk they have performed their whole duty by sign
ing the constitution and contributing handsome sum
70 the expenses OF the clubs the younger men
nght at the Grand Hotel or College Hail. There is
rood deal Of oratory and apparently large Of
business But it is all Of no account in political con-
est Jimmy Fitzgerald can pick up halt that number
d irisnmen ana accomplish twice as much, unless It
should BIZ OF those and extraordinary
Iions when sentiment Of public danger bursts all
bounds Tho difficulty with the Bristow men is that
they have NO leader.
REpoRrxR-who is Blaines leader, or who is Nor
tons?
for tho part hc plays Norton his leader,
man OF great ability and unlnching courage There
is no comparison possible be. ween him and Hend
In those days the democracy was governed by two
men, Jessie d. Bright and Joseph A. Wright. tho for
mer man OF rare ability, the other curious and in
scruable personality Bright managed TO get him into
the gubernatorial oincc Indiana aitcrward
him Minister to Prussia, and thenceorth Bright had
the command until the breakdown Of party In
diana In 1860 Bright did do justice to Norton
ana u y no. srguar therefore that when Bright con-
Norton should embrace that opportunity TO cut the
democratic party and enter into new political organi
cation.
REroRrER-what about Hayes9
Mr.. Puan-His chance would be good If Brstow
could hold out five or six balotk For IL Brstow
has strength enough TO deieat the others without
being able 10 succeed himself It would seem likely
she Convention. The GGicuy. however ' in draw
ing an inference from all these movements is the lack
Of the two-thirds rule; SO that man may get nomi
nation from the republicans who, with equal degree
Of strength or greater, could not IL from the
democracy You cannot calculate you with the
two-thirds rule candidate may get the majority,
and keep II Tor number ballots, but that itself
would disclose his inability TO twothirds
and he is immediately taken or the track This was
shc with Van Buren, at Baltimore in 1874 He had
largo majority Of the delegates but IL developed tho
fact OF his inability obtain two-thirds vote that
the OF James X. Polk suggested, aud by the
changing of votes swept the whole Convention.
RERoRrER--As to Conkngf
Dir. PuGH-lt Is possible that Conkling may get the
nomination the third ballot He Is tenacious fell
low. IL may be there would be break right Tor him.
Much will depend upon the strength OF the men who
address the Convention AZ tho editor Of the
ciai saId, Thurman slaughtered for the lack Of
speaker"
Not wishing intrude further upon tho patience OF
Mr. Pugh the reporter at this point took his leave.