The New York herald., 1876-03-17
Opposition Of Republican Senators TO Re-
trenchment and Reform
THE ENCOURAGEMENT FROM new HAMPSHIRE.
Progress Of the Belknap Impeach-
ment Proceedings.
FROM OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT.

THE INVESTIGATION OF MR. CLIMER-THE
HERALD STATEMENT REGARDING THE KEN
TUcKY CENTRAL RAILROAD CLAIM AND THE
CONVERSATION AT THE ARLINGTON HOTEL
sUsTAINED-TEsTIMoN OF GENERAL KIDDoo.
General Kiddoo appeared before the Clymer commit
tee to-day and verified all the material statements
made In despatch TO tho HERALD last week, which
were then furiously denied, but which brought on
at onco the Pendcton investigation. The HERALD's
despatch received such gross abuse and fat denial in
the House. and was made the occasion Of such gross
attack upon the character OF Washington correspond
generally. that 1t is only just here to rece the
following dctails:-
Tho despatch to the HERALD said explicitly that tho
statements II contained reported to be susceptible
OF proof before committee OF the House. Mr. Clymer
in his reply in the House. sad-
brand the whole article so far as II relates to my
self, as utterly, entirely and absolutely false.
Having done this, however, he proceeded TO admit
cautiously the substantial truth of that which related
to him in these words
Again, 1t is alleged seems to be alleged that was
cognizant OF some meeting in the Arlington Hotel in
this CITY, between Mrs Marsh Mrs Belknap and
others. If there such meeting l certainly
not present If matters discussed there in refer
ence to another crime could only and did only hear of
ID by rumor and without any foundation In the world
TO go upon, save that said that there record,
told me- ioho speaking about IT, in the War
Department
The part which related to Mr.. Clymcr was In these
words
1t is further assorted that when II became known
here 10 some who OF tho party that Mr.. Clymer
had determined to bring Mr.. Bolknap down, he
minded, in pointed terms, 1t he determined 10 do
this he could decline TO bring Pendleton down too
that Mr. Clymcr asserted that he mad not sufficient
data TO reach Mr.. Pendleton that he was pressed with
the reoinder that Mrs Marsh would testify TO 1t; that
the records of the department would throw some light
the case; that however, he refused TO into the
matter
General Klddoos testimony to-day showed, as Mr.
Clymcrs admissions had already shown that these
ports true.
The following tho salient points OF General Kid
doo's testimony regarding the statements he made TO
Clymer order to induce HIM to investigate Pendlc
ton General Kiddoo personal friend Of Clymcr and
lives with HIM.
BY Mr. Clymor-Kiddoo-In substance, so far as
can rccollcct, said to Colonel Grafton just what said
to you, If you remember; we live in tho house
and we had a private conversation about this thing
frequently; SAID that this matter, when thoroughly
investigated Il am stating what said in substance
would, perhaps, involve prominent member OF
the other political party than the TO
which Secretary Belknap bclongcd-namey, Mr..
should be investigated; stated the same to Colonel
Grafton you remarked me, substance, that your
committee had not sufficient data to go on to begin
investigation; | remember that l remarked
that you had as much data, / thought, as
you had when you first began to investigate
secretary Belknap, 4 HateQ III general Terms that
thought there ought TO be a clean breast
made of the whole story from beginning TO end and
am under the impression that statcd-in fact, am
very certain abop i-hat II Mr.. Pendleton's matter
was not investigated In connection with this thing that
the facts had in my own knowledge, or, Mt least the
facts that had heard Of would give to the press
@ During that conversation do you remember my
asking you where | could get somc intormationY A.
do.
O. Did not ask you whether could get It from tho
War Department. A. You said in substance that you
would go to the War Department for IT,; you did not
ask me where you could get IL; I said. ''Go TO tho
Treasury Department and you will get il alLn
q. Did intimate TO you then any unwIllinsness TO
investigated A. Not at all you did not intimate any
O. Was there anything in my manner or conduct
with reference to this matter that would have led you
suppose that willing Tor any cause TO inves
tigate itS A. Mr.. Clymcr do not know how | can
answer that squarcly; | thought there was strong
partisan feeling in tho whole matter said nothing,
you manifested no unwilngnesss, but whether
my suspicious beliefs well grounded or not
had the impression that you would rather the thing
hadn't come out; do not know; you did not
manifest ityou did not express it II may be only my
own impression.
@ Did not ask you where could get the informa-
O. Didn't say to you that would get IL? A. Yes,
sir; few days aftcrward you said me that you had
sent 10 the War Department about those matters |
thirk can very truly say that you neither expressed
manifested any ndisposition 10 investigate
BY Mr.. Daniord-witncss-I think this conversation
between Mr. Cymer and myself to the best Of my rec
olectioD occurred on Thursday evening.
O What did you tell Mr. Clymer relation to any
with either OF those particsS A. Well it is very embar.
rassing TO have to do It; this a purely private
matter; shall do IL, however, frankly; Mrs Marsh
and conversed about this thing she spoke OF an in
ierview that she had had with Mrs. Beknap and she
said in substance that she had said that this not
perhaps, serious matter other matters con.
nected with the Kentucky Railroad IN which sho was
supposed TO, did get $4,000; forget which phrase
she used Mrs Belknap replied III did not get $40 900;
that was all the road got; stated those facts Mr..
Clymer
Q. when did you state those facts 10 Mr. CIymer9
think on Thursday night; that is the very best Of
my recollection.
Q. When you told him OF this conversation between
these parties what did he say then IN return TO tY A.
Mr.. Clymer said that he did rot have sufficient data
from which to proceed against Mr. Pendeton, words
TO that effect
Q That, then, was the nrst conversation you had
with him in relation 10 this matter Thursday even
Q And that was after the articles had been pre-
q. And at that same time you spoke Of giving these
facts TO the prcsss a. said If it did not come
before this committee would consider il my duty or
would be at liberty or something OF that kind, to give
II 10 the press and he said that he had sucient
data, but would go to the Department. and afterward
he told me that he had done
BY Mr. Robbins-Q. What did Mrs. Marsh say Tell
us all about IT, A. | stated that; will state it over
Q. ! did not understand precisely that portion OF
your statement in regard 10 the amount OF money.
Did understand you TO say that there had been money
passed from Mr. Pendlcton to tho Bclknapsf This IS
the part want TO get at This is the OF this
thing. The impression that Mrs. Marsh left my
iulhu was WIS tHht SIC nHu spoken 10 MT% bckndp
about this Kentucky Railroad matter, and thpt Mrs.
Belknap tacitly admitted that money had passed,
though no particular amount, nor any square acknowl
cdgmcnt Of the fact; that is nll | know of it
Mr.. Robbins-Tacitly?
The witness-That Is my own word. you understand.
she did not state then that she had every received
money, or did she so siateg A. No, sir; not at all
O. Did Mrs Marsh state that she had charged Mrs
Belknap with receiving money, and that Mrs Beknap
did not deny ~ Sno did not state that she charged
her with anything.
o But that she had mentioned i, as a fac' A. Yes,
sir.
@ And that Mrs Bclknap did not deny it9 A. Yes,
sir; that was just about the way II camc TO me-
q Did Mrs. Marsh IN that statement to Mrs Belknap
indicate how large the gum wasy A. She spoke OF
$40 600 and Mrs Belknap replied that she did not get
$4,000; that that was all that was paid 10 the railroad
q That she aid not get s70,00Og A. Yes, sir
q Did hrA Marsh say that Mrs. Bclknap distinctly
implied by what shc said that she did get amount
OF money. A. Mrs Marsh lett 10 draw my In
ferences, and win leave you 10 draw yours
nrnnnr rhnl In l.cnn aaid hnlorc In.