New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1876-02-18

fObjected to as immaterial and incompetent And =.
cause the papeis do not purpor TO be originals
A. have doubt that these tie dispafcb.. -
copies Of the dispatches that received or II not ts,
similar In to those that received ira
papers were marked exhibits Nos. l, g. 3, A. and 81
O There is letter, Mr. President. connected with tb
kilograms dated Jan. A. 1875, from d. d. Pratt Comma.
sioner. VIII you be kind enough to explain how that Ia
ter was received by you and what connection it had viii
the telegramsi
Collected to 40 immateria irrelevant and inoomn.
teptI
A. The note from the Commissioner OF Internal R.vs
nue. Is In answer to request for me to be furnished with
kilograms recommending Mcguire to the office OF CoIle
tor.
ANSWER objected to by prosecution as ncompetenta and
immaterial]
BABCOCKs ONLY INTERFERENCE
Q. Did Gen BabcOck 80 far az yon know, seek n.
any way to influence your action in reference 10 any
charge made or proposed made against joyce a,
Mcdonald, or either OF them
IObjected to incompetent immateral. and irrels-
vantI
A. DO not remember Of his speaking TO on the
subject all he certainly took no lively interest the
matter or should have remembered It,
O. Dia Gen. BabcOck. far You know, seek il
any way influence your action with reference any
investigation alleged whisky frauds in st. Louis or
elsewherei
[Olcced to as ininateral. irrelevant. and ncompo-
tentl
A. He did not; possibly might state right here that
remember but one instance Of his talking
TO me at all about the matter OF inyestL
cations except since he had been indicted and then IA
was simply 10 say that he had asked Mr. Douglass
why It was that they threatened all their officials az
though they dishonest PERSONS by sending spies TO
watch them, and asking why they could not make in.
spections somewhat as they do IN Che army-send
Of character To their dstileres aud take their books aud
make a report that could be relied | believe that no
simply told me that he had said this TO Mr.. Douglass
ANSWER objected TO by prosecution nmateria and
incompetent in stating conversations between the 40
cused and witness
GEN. M'DoNAID's RIDE.
O. Do you remember the circumstance Of Gen. MELON.
AIDS being the City Of Washington the 9TH Of 10
cember ls7li A. do not remember the particular
date; remember the time in question.
O. If 1 understand YOU correctly, Gen. Babcocks
ceton was that in making the investigation it would DO
wiser have it done by OF superior character than
by men of inferior and suspicious characteri
[Objected to BY the prosecution as inmateria and
Irrelevant
A. Yes.
O. Did you ride with him about that date
occasion, aud was anything said there by him TO yoa
with reference the invesg alton of alleged frauds
his district
lObject.d by the prosecution irrelevant and i'm
mqieral. COnyeTsa ions between John Med maid and
witness are admissible in any theory OF this easel
A. | did pick him up on the sidewalk as was takngs
drive and inv ted him to ct in and drive with me-
have no recollection of single word of conversation on
any matter touching his official position business.
O. Did Gen Babcock. at about that time, say any
thing to your knowedgei Did he in any way undertake
to proven them
(Same objections 10 previous question:
A. | have no recollection OF his saying anything about
that he certainly did not nercede with lie To prevent
THE Transfer OF SUPERVISORS.
O. Do you remember the circumstances Of the promul-
CATION of any order transferring tine various supervisors
from their own Ia other districtsf
fsams objections as 10 previous question:
A do.
q fully with whom the idea upon which that Or
bised originated and tine particulars Of the ros
sons which induced you ~ directt
l,ame objectionl
T. some time while Mr Richardson Secretary Ok
the Treasury. Think at al events before Mr. Brsiow
bcciius SECRETARY Of the Treasury Mr. DOUGLASS eH-
pressed the idea that It would be good plan occa-
ionay To change the supervisors around from dis
irict 70 another and expressed myself voraby Ia H;
but 1t was MT dOno then, aud not thought VI any
more b. me; hut when il became evident thdt
the Treasury being derauded Of por-
ton OF the that 1t should receive from tho
distilaiion OF spirits in the West, Sc Rotary Bristov
Suspicious, and | then suggested 70 him this idea; ON
mat SUI sion the order making these transfers Of
perysors was made; at that time did rot understand
that there any suspicion 10 all OF the Officials hut
knew that each OF the officials had his own way u
Transferring his business that these disirs having 20
inucn pecuniy int,res; in deccyng the officials would
learn their ways an learn how - evade them. and my
idea was that ~ putting new supervisors acquainted
viii turr duties them their crooked ways would %
are lad and
I suggest d tLc change.
ANSWER objected 10 by counsel for the prosecution
incompetent. The reasons way the order Was made
arr not material
O. Can you site whether Mr.. Douglass at that time
Couul',alOp OF Internal Revenue, WAS aware of tho
TACT that you had suS Scstei or mado the order
fSamc objections a. to previous question
A. don't snow
Q 80 iar a. You personally knowi A. do not know
that lao knew anything about IT,
OPP pSIrlON TO THE TRANSFER
Q. After the order had been finally issued we're any
efforts inado ~ induce you 10 direct its revocation %
susprusioni
ISame objection as TO the previous question:
A. Most strenuous efforts were made
O We're such efforts made by prominent public meat
i-aIno objection rs 10 previous Question:
a. They were.
q Did you resist the pressure that made upon you
for the revocation or sup resion OF the order AMI you
finally decided direct the revocation OF that order viii
you please state why you induced % do so By
whomt
(Objectcd immaterial and irrelevant and incon
pctentl
A. Iressted the effort to have the order revoked until
becamo convinced that 1t should be revoked or sus
pended in the interest Of detecting frauds that had al
ready been committed in conversation with super
visor Tuton he stated to that il the object OF 'ha'
order was detect frauds that had alro dy been eh
mtted ne thought IL would fail; he said tins order W'u'
into effect the 18th OF February this Was IN Jahua!
when We were talking: that II the distiles VINO
had been defrauding tho Treasury nearly three wen