New-York tribune., 1876-06-01
you value of the stock two parties got the

comes into Mr. Fishers Office and buys ten bonds Of the
Little Rock and Fort Smith Railroad Company, the par
value Of which $4,000. Mr.. Fisher gets for this
$4,5O0 and along with the bonds gives $4,000 of par
mon stockl A. Yes.
O. SO that instead OF the purchaser getting bonds to
the 900 he gets those bonds representing
$4,000 preferred stock representing $4,000 and COM
mon stock representing $lOOOOl A. Yes. Sir.
@. SO the stock and bonds which represented ut par
value $50 900 brought only $i,5OO9 A. There q
third party to be paid out of it, and cannot give you the
particulars without stating how 1t was; all that know
is what books show; the bonds NOTED Mr. Fisher 45
cents the dollar for the amount Of the bonds calling
the stock valueess but taking the bonds that given
10 the third party then the whole neted Mr.. Fisher
S45 900.
@. What the gross amount which Mr.. Fisher got
for $4,000 in bonds $4,000 in preferred stock, and
$4,000 in common stock Witness-You want Inc to
tell you also what the intermediate party goti
BY Mr.. LawreDce-What was the cash price at which
the bonds were soldi witness-An that know about
the price is what they .tted to Mr.. Fisher.
By Mr.. Lawrence-What did he pay this person who
acted as broker IN the saleq winess-I win tell you
how much in bonds Mr. Fisher delivered for that amount
of money-how much the buyers got and how much the
other party got
Mr.. Frye-I ohie I to that.
Mr. Hunton-1o witness: You say that Mr.. Fisher got
45 cents the dollari WitnessYes, taking the com
mission that is the actual amount ho netted from
the bonds that he gave out
Mr. HuntOn-Aud he had to pay third party for sell
ing those bOndsi Witness-The third party made the
contract with different persons in the stat, of Maine.
O. How much did Mr. Fisher pay this third partyi A.
lie paid him about much as he gave the other one II
my memory right there was about $l300OO in
money paid by the parties for which they got 100000
of common stock. Sl30000 Of preferred stock, and
S130000 Of first mortgage bonds and the thrd party
was to get $4,000 OF, land grant bonds and $4,000 Of
hrst mortgage bonds for his share in the transaction
that is what Mr.. Fisher gave out for this Sl30,OO0
O. The transaction to which you allude mVoWed
$l30OO0l A. 1t did
Mr. Frye objected to the testimony rs having no CON
ncction with tne Union Pacific Railroad COmpany.l
Mr. Lawrence moved TO strike out OF the record all
that related TO the sale o; bonds except the fact
that they sold at given price.
Mr. Hunton-The examination of this witness was un-
derakcn for no purpose and has been directed to
no other pojnt than the yaluo OF bonds the mar
kot 10 the wi,ness.) This sale, as understand IN
vulved $l3O00O of first mortgage bonds, $l3o.oco OF
preferred STOCK and S130,000 OF common stock What
was the sum realized by Mr. Fisher for that S300OOO IN
bonds and stock A. One hundred aud thirty thousand
dollars and he rad to give the third party $4,000 OF
land grant bonds, ana $500 Of frs. mortgage bonds
O. And from the whole transaction lie realized $780,
600 in money! A. Yes sir.
O. Was there any differences OF value between the first
mortgage bonds and the land grant bonds 4 never
heard OF any.
O. Do you know OF any other sale OF tho oonds OF lat
companyi A. Yes.
O. Where the other sales made on the same terms as
this sale A. No, sir; quite different
O. Was the per centago which realized by Mr.
Fisher on those other sales daerent from that realized
on this sale a. 1t averaged about the same.
COL. SCOTS BONDS.
O. Do you know of your ogn knowledge or from In
formation derived from anybody but Mr. Caldwell. o!
I ittl La Rnck md
Col. Scott A. Yes. Sir.
O. State ii. A. have it from Mr. Elisha Atkins.
O. State what you heard. A. Mr.. Atkins told me that
there sd 900 charged for 70 bonds Of the Little
Rock and Fort Smith Railroad Company. which Mr. Tom
Scott nad and which Ia, made the Union Pacnc Railroad
Company take from him at that price
O State all yOu heard SIR Atkins say In that conycrsa
ton. A. That Is about the whole Of IL.
O. How did he say that Col scott made the Union
Pacific Railroad Company take those bonds from him at
that pricel A. He did not state
O. How did ne state that Col Scott got those bonds
A. He did not state
O. All that occurred between you and Mr.. Atkins was
abatement by him that Mr.. Scott had made the Union
Pacific iroad Company take those bonds at the price
Of 4 OO0i A. he said that they came from another
party
told me ,lat Mr. Blaine gave tho bonds 10 fon scott
ard that tom" Scott made the Union Pacific Railroad
Company take taem
O. Mr. Atkins told you that this $4,000 worth Of
bonds was got by Mr. Scott from Mr. Blaine, and that
Mr. Scott made the Union Pacific Railroad Company take
them at Sol ,OOOf A Yes, Sir.
O. Did Mr. Atkins tell you how Mr.. Blano came INTO
tho possession OF those bonds Z A. No, Sir.
@ Did you hear from source how Mr. Blaine came
into possession OF those bonds A Yes Sir
by Mr. Lluronce-Q. Wien did Mr. Atkins tell you
thisi A. II might be IN tho early part Of 1872.
O. Wherel A. In Boston.
O. What pace in Boston 7 A. AT No ID DOane-st ana
No. 81 Engisb-st
O Can you not fix the time little more specifically
a. No, Sir
O. What business is carried on at those places that you
speak of A. The was the office OF tho Adams
Sugar Refinery, and it was broken up Mr. Fisher
made his O!icc at the other place.
@. Who present, when Atkins told you thisI n.
He told the same story 10 SIR. Fisher.
O. Was Mr. Fisher present when lie told You tlsl a.
No do not think he was
O. Who was present when he told it to you A. Not
any person
Q. Why did you not say SOL A. have said 40.
O. What timo Of the day the first conversation
with Mr. Atkinsi A. cannot tell you exactly.
O. Was it in the day EVENING" 4. ii you want me
to go particulars. will do 1T Mr. Fisher was pres
cni, think, at one time.
BY Mr. Hunton-Q. Did you TO say that Fisher
wa present when Atkins told you this A. am pretty
positive that was and Mr. Fisher has told mo repeat
edy thot Atkins to d him the whole story
O. Did Atkins state how Mr. Blaine camo into posses
sion Of those bondsi A. understood that Mr. Blaine
had taken them up from those parties IN Maine for whom
he had purchased them-the parties in this pocl nn-
deisood from SIr Elaine himself that he took them mp
for partics aad understood that those were the
bonds which Tom Scott had.
| O. Did you understand from Mr. Blaine himself that
be had sod those seventydve bonds 10 Col Scott A. No.
! Sir did not say Mr.. Blaine mentioned the name OF
| Iom" Scott.
@ What did you hear from him the subject Of those