The Daily clarion., 1876-03-09
rbnn I had these affidavits.

o. Now, with reference 10 ln'o ola
by which you were to pay hlm Si,zoo lor
the pardon, did you pay him IN money or
bv a check?
A. turned over to him check
o. Did he not afterwards pay that money
back to you.
A. He did. .,a
o. And that contract was all terminated :?
q And at the time YOU rode down IN a
buggy. there was not contract existing be-
tween YOU and Col. Matthews?
A. Oh. no. You have got that wrong
He gave me up that check, and we alter
wards had talk when those dePosltlons
were taken. and we made another trade.
O. What was that trade
A. Well when he saw those dePosltlons,
he said will undertake the tliilg asaih'
for 81 $50.
Q. When was it he got from you the
check for 81, ,250.
A. | don't know.
o Did he have your check for 81, $50 the
day YOU went down in the buggy to him?
A. No; | had it back.
@. Well, that day you rode down with
Gibbs?
A. | gave him that check again.
Q. On that day you became satisfied with
the pardon, you delivered the check tor
81, $50 to Col. Gibbs; is that what you
said
0. When you were with Col. Matthews,
and YOU asked him about the validity of the
pardon, did he not tell you you must deter
mine that question for yourself?
A. He said he knew nothing about 1t;
should have to judge for myself
| @. Did you appeal to him as lawyer to
saw whether it was valid or not?
A. He said | had to Judge for myself.
| THE witness was then turned over to the
Senate for examination
! Q. TBy Senator Barry. Was there any
condi ton to your contract with Col. Mat
thews? IF so, state the condition. Was
there any condition with regard to the re-
turn of the money?
| A.. None.
0. Did YOU see Col. Matthews at a time
before you received the pardon, when you
saw he sent for YOU, and did you then de-
mand of him that he should pay you back
81 $50 which you had paid him? If you
answer that you did, state the time, place
and circumstances
A. | did | cannot state the time eX-
actly; he gave me a check for the money
! that is about all | know.
THE Senator arose and demanded that
witness answer the question fully. He had
stated that was about all / know"
The Chair decided that the question had
| been answered.
And the Senator appealed from the de
cision of the chair.
Senator REYNOLDS stated there could be
no appeal from the decision of the chair
which was the decision of the Court, unless
the question was put to a vote.
The Chair put the question, shall the
Chair be sustained in its present decision,
and the decision was overruled.
The Secretary read the question SECOND
time, and after some pause, the witness an
swered:
A. / could not state the time, 1t was il
his office. He said he had this check put
to his wife's credit. just said to Col
Matthews that his wife might die, or
might die, and he might die, and his wife
did not know me from haystack.
By Senator Barry-Who procured these
affidavits or dispositions? Was anything
paid for them? If so, who paid it?
A. A young man named Baldwin pro
cured these affidavits. | paid for them.
By Senator Barry-Are you related to the
persons, in any way, who made the af1ida
wits? If SO, state how.
| A. Not at ALL
BY Senator Fewell-Did you not have
some angry words with Col. Matthews, anc
did you not fasten the door and say Col
Matthews could not leave the room until he
paid you over the money?
A. Has that got anything to do with the
Senate?
Mr.. Spears objected, and the Chair sub
mitted the question to the Senate, who de
cided that witness should answer the inter
rogatory.
Witness refused to answer the question.
Mr.. Spears arose and stated that this
question could not possibly throw any ligh
on this matter.
Senator Fewell-The gentleman is out O
order; the Senate has ordered the question
to be answered. ~
The Chair asked witness if he refused t.
answer the question of Senator Fewel
Witness | think / said we would no
both get out of there healthy until | 90
that check back
The Chair insisted that the question had
not been fully answered.
! Witness: [ did not fasten the door; | die
not say he could not leave | said we woulC
not both get out of there healthy.
By Senator Furlong-How did you obtair
the check from Col Matthews? Did you
not threaten acts of violence if he refused
to deliver the check to you?
A. No, sir; | went to the bank and drew
the money out.
By Senator Morgan-What did Matthews
say when you told him his wife did ntt
know you from haystack? State fully.
A. He said she was very nice lady, anC
| told him [ expected she was
BY Senator Morgan-Was Matthews YOU
regular attorney-that is, were you in tin,
habit of employing him?
A. had him once before have beer
in the habit of employing them all, some
times one, and sometimes another.
q. Had he conducted suits for Won O.
against you prior TO this employment t.
procure pardon?
A. Against me-
w. E. GIBBS RECALLED