The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1876-02-18

from home, thought they we're entitled to be least
consulted as TO the successor who should settle up MS
Q. Did you advise General Babcock TO telegraph to
Joyce to get the bondsmcn OF Ford TO recommend
Joyce for coIectorY A. made the statement IN SUD
stance that have given in answer 20 former ques
ton; whether told him to do so by telegraph or not
a. would be impossible for TO say that might DC TO
garded, at least authority TO SO telegraph
A WEAKNESS or MEMORY
O. Did You see any telegram of that character rom
Dabcock TO Joyce at that timer A do not remember
O Did General Babcoek at that time show you a de-
spatch from Joyce in these Words Sons Dc, % 1s7a
''See despatch to the President We mean T. Num-
A. Idon't think that nv memory goes back 10 that
time; since these prosecutions were commenced nave
that
not call Il memory.
. Did you receive protest against the appointment
OF Constantine Mcguire signed oy James L. heatman,
Robert Campbell and others
Objected TO by counsel for defendant
| do not remember such a letter; II such a one
was received it doubt on file in the Treasury De-
partment such protest may have been received.
o Your purpose of leaving the nomination Of Mr.
Ford's successor his bondsmen because they
liable ON his bond for the administration of his
Office was il notS A. Yes sir; further than that
them men that knew very we'll and had great
confidence IN
you aware that in the matter of education Mcdonald
when he was appointed was an ignorant man barely
able 10 write his nameP
Objected TO by counsel for defendant
A. was aware that he not educated man,
but he was a man who had seen a great deal Of the
world and OF people, and would not call him ignorant
exactly he was illiterate
Q Did you receive protest against McDonsd's APP
pointment signed by Carl Schurz, G. A. Finkenburg,
II. T. Van Horn and other men IN Missouri
Objected 10 by counsel for defendant
A. do not remember If II was receved do not
know that IL would have had any particular weight
with me if had received 1t, his Endorsements beng
good
entire unltness for the places A | do not remember
II it was received it is, no doubt matter Of record
and can be obtained
O Did you ever see the paper shown you? II
So state in whose handwriting 1t Is
Counsel for defendant objects TO any examination In
regard TO this paper
A. AS to the handwriting do not pretend to be
expert have had great many letters from Mr. Ford;
that looks like his signatures do not remember 10
have that before and do not think ever did
Q. Do you know the other signature to the paper'
A. No; know all the parties but do not know their
signatures
The paper referred to was marked exhibit No. 6 and
o. Did you see at or about the time of its date the
affidavit now shown you made by james MARI taken
from the files OF the Treasury Department. "a copy
Of which marked exhibit No. is herewith annexed,j
Objected to by defendants counsel
A. II did that paper 1t has passed entirely
from my memory, and think II would be impossible
that such document as that could be read by me and
/ not remember it,
O DO YOU remember at this distance of time on
whose recommendation Mr. Joyce appointed A
My recollection is that when Mcdonald was appointed
supervisor he asked the Commissioner OF Internal
Revenue to give him an assistant from his Office some
who acquainted with the duties; think there
Mcdonald at that time; that IS my recollechoni
had Eeard Of Joyce myself. ana did not know OF
the existence OF such man until he was appointed on
the recommendation as understood, OF the then
Commissioner who thought him TO be the most capa
bic man in his Office dd not remember about these
dispatches all until since the conspiracy trials have
commenced; have heard General Babceck's explana
ton Of most all Of them that; many of these
dispatches may have been shown to me at the time
and explained but do not remember IL
Q. Did you know at the time that, during the fall Of
1873, subsequent TO your visit to ST Louis, General
Babcock correspondent with John Mcdonald after the
latter indicted, and his letters TO Mcdonald
under TO Major Il. B, GrimesS
Objected to by defendants counsel
A, No; was not aware of il at the time
TUE LUCKILY CORRESPONDENCE.
q Did you know at the time that General Babcock
cipher dispatches to Major Luckey at ST. Louis
his and over fictitious signature on the 18th
18th of last NovomberY A. do not remember as to
particular dates but have Executive Manson
cipher, that when myself and secretaries sepa
rated dispatches can be sent without being read by the
OPERATORS always have had such a cipher have
no particular knowledge but knew IN general way
that they were corresponding while Mr. Luckey was
there during the Avery trial. he having gone there as
understood, a witness.
q Did you the dispatches before they were senS
A. l do not think saw the dispatches.
O. Have you any objections stating the meaning
In that cipher Of two words ony-the words Hamlet
cipher despatch; never travel without
having a secretary with me
O. You DO not know what those words means A.
do know; when want TO send despatch in cipher
give 1t 70 one OF my secretaries in the ordinary form
o On or about December 5. 1873 did General Bah
cock show you despatch from Joyce to himself in
these words
els there any hitch in sending Magure's name to
the Senate? JOYCE"
i cannot remember particularly think how
ever General Baocock did ask me II there any
reason why Magure's name should not be sent have
an indIstnct recollection OF his asking me the ques
ton.
. You have SAID that you resisted the pressure
brought 10 bear upon you by prominent public men in
regard 10 the suspension or revocation OF the order
you please state the names OF those prominent men
who brought that pressure to bear upon your A.
There many persons aud think could give the
names OF several Senators and probably members OF
Congress, but probably should have to refer to
papers that file; DO not know that 1t IS
material know that the pressure continual from
the SUPERVISORS and their friends
@ Can You. from memory name any Senators or
do not believe that 1t rs necessary.
THE "srLPH'' ExuBERAScY.
. will not press it. then VIII you please TO state
whether General Bahcock showed You or about the
time VI us date despatch TO him in these words
''Sr LorIs Feb g. 1878
General o. T. BABoooK Execut We Mansion, Washing
eve have oincia information that the enemy weak.
ems Push things. SYLPH.n
A. | do not remember OF ever seeing that despatch
until since these prosecutions have commenced.
O. Did you know that General Babcock at that
time in correspondence with Joyce about the transfer
Of SUPERVISORS
Joyce for saw number OF them myself anu those
did see were generally to what be was doing In the
way OF writing editorials for the different papers and
enclosing editorials which he would say has letters
he had written and asking how he liked the tone OF
them and rccollect him saying In one letter
that papers In the ate OF Missouri and perhaps
IN Arkansas different points at all events. were will
ing to publish editorial matter what he would write
for them.
Answer objected 10 by counsel for the prosecution.
going beyond the scope Of the question.
q Did you have any conversation with General Bah
cock prior May 1870 reference 10 letter written
by j J. Brooks 10 Deputy Commiss ioner Rogerss
Objected 70 uy counsel Tor the defendant
A. | DO not remember dates but remember OF his
showing me letter that had been handed him from
somebody IN Philadelphia to Mr. Rogers, and he SAID
mailing; and think that was the occasion which
he told me what he had stated to Mr. Douglass that is
as | remember new.
y DO you remember that General Babcock prior 10
May, 1879 talked with YOU about the propriety Of