, 1876-10-29

IE: SUNDAY. OCTOBER
been on the force; know F1annigan; he is
cousin OF nlinc;- left him on the corner O
Clark street.; I told Hickey that Flauniga1
never bad III interview with 4 newspaper man
and the report Was untrue: have known Hike
twenty years.
To Trudt-1 was in saloon across the stree
| with FlauAigan.
Odd you say if he testified arainst Hickc,
he was ID scoundrc! A.-No. I asked vol
and him to take drink, and you wouldn't 70
! Q.-Dia you call him names if he should tes
tify against ;il3, Hickey! Al can't say:
Q-Wlll you swear that you didn't? No.
| Won't. saw you and Flannigan together, ant
took him away from you.
WILLIAM F. CARSON
| was the next witness. He testified: I have
travelled the station-house beat Ebersold pu1
me on, and told me to break up dcns Of thieves
on Clark and Van Buren streets. cid all ]
I sent him to the bridewell. Several Others
offered me money. Sergt. Ebcrso1d gave me
another beat. Hc said he had orders to change.
Mr.. Rehm was Chief, butwas absent, and Hickey
was acting. lnever asked any reason. but in q
conversation with Ebcrsold it was said was too
hard on Bill Murray and Donaldson. both thieves.
| Webster was not on my beat His reputation
was bad. He keeps fence. Don't know that
Hickey and Webster arc on good terms. The
| thieves had threatened my life If I wasn't
removed. Ebcrso1d wanted me to stay on, but
he removed me because Capt. Buckley ordered
| it through Scrgt. Couner's influence. I went
to TWenty-sccond street and made application
to go back to that beat. ! was removed from
that beat two years ago. I am now on State,
from Twelfth TO Fourteenth. an at Harrison
Street Station. The men there rc,pect him to a
certain extent.
Q.-Do they think him an honest and efficient
oaiccr2 A.-Thcy think him efficient,
Q-Do they think him honek3 A.-Somc
do and some don't.
Q.-What is your opinion? Al don't know
any facts. don't care to express my opinion.
Hickey is an cllicient officer when he cares to be,
10 the Chairman OF the Commftee-I said
was prosecuted because went 5or thieves I
was bounded by thieves and BY Aid. Warren
aud his associate: Warren went tail for man
whom I arrested, and he was never indicted.
His associate was Hughcy Reed. am
Yankee.
Q.-What is your opinion as to the honesty
and efficiency Of Hickey4 Al had rather not
Trude-You will be protected By the Mayor.
What is your objection to ansWedng2 Al
am
afraid OF BEING REMOVED.
Hickey was acting when Twas removed from the
beat. am among those who don't think
L
spect him as long as I am under him.
Q.--Do you think him honest, .nd fit man
for the place? Al do not. When I asked
Hickey to bring me back he said lie didn't want
an officer too long on one beat, he might get
to be too we'll acquainted. weat to McAuley
and told him thought Hickey Wis not friend
Of mine. l have heard talk about Hickey that
he received money from thieves. and heard citi-
zens speak Of it. I can't give the names Of any
officers. Never heard the sum o. money men
In tr+o
but not TINT he paid Hickey money. Been on
the force three years; knew wheE Hickey got d
horse and buggy. don't know The Pope case.
have heard Of the Lizzie Moore aEe, ,and OF the
Goldsmith case and the 1sHocsfcr'' Brown
case. It was from talk about tlesc cases and
what heard about them that hive formed my
opinion.
10 MIR. TrudeI can't say that 1 ever saw
Webster and Hickey together. The only way
can account for so many thieves on the streets
is, that they are allowed to go when they are
brought before the Court. The Judge lets them
go. You never spoke to me in pur life. was
ordered to come here. A man named White,
who said he was a reporter, c.me to see NC
Thursday night. No one else has seen me. I
hnre heard that if q man didn't tell what he
force This man White told me That.
sEnGr. FRED EBERsuD
was sworn, and testified: Been On the force
ten years. Know Webster; his reputation is
bad; his place is known as fcn,e Haye seen
Hickey and him together at headquarters and the
station, but nowhere else Don'tlznow who owns
the property where Webster lives Don't know !
that Hickey protects Webster. It h1s seemed to |
me that gamblers ana thieves wereprotectcd by
some one. have raided many gambling houses,
but don't know that any notice vas sent. Il |
often seemed as if some notice wassent. have |
been to some places often when couldn't get |
any one. One Of these is Pagc's house, l55
Dearborn; haycn't been there tor year. Tie |
orders were to go for the houses wien I got a |
chance. have confined myself toClark street.
It seemed to me that Hollis, Pagc's, and |
Hines houses were favored. Bucley ordered t
me to go for all of them. He nev:r told me to
make any exceptions. I saw men rho who were |
detailed to hunt up the houses, aid they said |
they were not to go on Dearborn street.. Capt.
Buckley told me they we're to go,n Randolph
had charge Of these detailed men,. They were
to 60 from house to house, and all for help
when they wanted it. can't say yho these de-
tailed men report to.
Capt: Bucklcy-They reported tt me.
The Witncss-The men and neyer talk about
the Superintendent. The Sergeant talk it over,
and we thought it looked bad if he articles IN
The paper were true Some Of thcmcn appear
q to thing there was an intimacy between
Hickey and Webster. Webster was always
hat Webster was more Of the Chief than
sec me nor have I heard Of any
threats. None Of the gambling 1ouses are do
ng much except when they can steal a game.
There is less gambling now than before Hickey
vent in, and less bunko work. There arc q few
,unko men, but they skip arount think the
orce under Hickey has been htter handled
han before for years. The only way Hickey
n Buckley could send any notice to gamblers
yould be when they directed an especial raid
Webster don't come to tho station much now,
nd only to bail some one He used to come
very day. The reputatioa, Of Webstcr's house
5 that Of fence. though never found any s
.oods there.
JOSEPH DIXON.
Deputy Superintendent, was sworn-l know
Webster. Have frequently seen him in Hickey's
ompany, sometimes twice day aud sometimes
,ss. It was always 1T headquarters. don't
now OF any relationship between them further
han Hickey said lie got some information from
Webster I can't answer as to any influenced
Webster had over Hickey. don't know who d
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