New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1876-04-01
THE SPY AT ST. LOUIS.
Continued from First Page.


dence on vermont-avc.; met him there once or
@. How did YOU happen to be at st. Louis when
Mr. Lucky came out there' A. lived there tenn
pOrarily: a., Ia oor,o 70
see you A. went to see Avery, ana Luckey was
there. knew him previously. ,
o. How did these negotiations commence between
yon and Luckey. A. On account Oh my sn gooJ
friend Of mine in the Department. ana at tnat ,lo
/ believed him to be innocent; and l always Pc
9vsd 50 until ne made sya as convcted
Q. Was there any bargain between you anu Lut ,t
as to what you were to receive In case you got ta.
evidenced A. No, Sir; L made no bargains WIN Nii'
o. Did he ever make you any promise as to,what
they would ne dd not HSII be rC s iii ber
ally paid. told him did not care Tor that'
GEN. BABcocK's STATEMENT TO BELL.
O. Did Babcock make you any promise IN regard
TO it, A. Not there He did here. He said would
be literally paid if got the evidence OIL. III was
not so much that was working in his interest as
that 1 regarded the whole matter as political
move at that time, and desired to serve my Old
commander if could l have very little acqualnt-
ance with Gen. Babcock and had no special inter
est or sympathy with him.
o. Do YOU think that if Con. Babcock had been an
innocent man he would have wanted you to take
those papers and destroy them' A. Well, lhaVe
reflected on that matter great deal. lie stated 10
me that his letters capable OF double con-
structon, and | thought that in familiar
correspondence might write letters that could be
misconstrued. knew that very innocent express
sion in conversation is sometimes misconstrued to
mean something very different from what is intended,
but there seemed to be q great deal of this-too
many of these misconstructlons.
Mr. Blackburn-Do you know who Bradley Is
A. believe lie is brother-in-law OF MI A. ~
Shepherd here he was sent out there just 10 he on
the watch as he explained to me; lie was acting as
one of the counsel, suppose ........;o.-, .ho.
Q. Have you detailed fully the interviews that
occurred between you and Luckey in ST. Louis rela-
tive to your employment for the purpose wnch you
have Indicated A. think have. He stated to
me that Gen Babcock was innocent; that IL was
simply a blow at the :" old man." and ] felt so my
O. Whom did he mean by the " old man." and
whom did you meant A. The President
A SUPPOSED BRIsrOw MOVEMENT.
o. Did Lucky tell you in these conversations any
thing about Secretary Bristow his connection
with the prosecutonf A. There was great deal OF
conversation in that regard. | suppose that the
bulk of the conversation tended that way at that
time. Mr.. Bristows agency was more intimated III
the bulk of the conversation than expressed 1t was
put in this way: This is simply blow at the old
man--the President"
Q. A. blow from whom 7 A. That was understood.
From Bristow, because Brstows friends are very
Jealous there.
Q. The question between Mr. Luckey and yourself
was A. [Interruptngl-I understood it as Bris-
tow movement in the start.
Q. That Bristow prosecuting the President
through Gen. Babcocki A. That the whole matter
was IN the interest of Gen. Brstow
O. Did you learn from conversation with Baocock
D. NJ he A
assuredly.
Q. Did he tell you thati A. Yes, Sir; that was
talked over several times
A. Did you ever have any conversation with the
President about the matter other than what you
have detailed A. had three or four interviews
with the President; up to the time had my last IN
terview | was firmly of the belief that Babcock
was innocent When | found to my satisfaction
that he was guilty from what ho desired me to do
and from the remarks that were made and the talk
between the counsel and himself and myself, at
TEMPTED three times to see the President and failed
The witness also testified that he went ON this
business, while in the employ of the Government
He said he had received 800 from The Herald for the
cipher matter published Oh Feb 10, but denied that
the information furnished for pay, OF that he
made any bargain for 1t.