New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1876-12-13

each House the right tn nddpt itS own rules anu ta'
that right could not be guperseIed.
The SPEAKER remarked that the extract Just read
confirmed in remarkable aanner his present ind
used bat that Ne whole discussion bad reference Only
we're t. be reacas Is some other way han by The simple
action y Tie Hpnse =, ,.,... IT,, -.
several, can bind tho House except ny lts e0hseo a
that The proposition than Joint rule coming rem
former Congress had any authority bn tnc HLNth
Congress than House rule had was, not absurd GER
tainIy untenaflc
! The sPEAKER-Has not the gentleman himself fire.
ouentIy ia Former Congresses moved ~ suspend the
10Th and 17th Joint rues withsut those rules having
been formally adopted by that Congress
Mr.. GARRIELD-Certalny, admit that freely, and
for the that whenever the two Houses OF Cgres
implied assent to those rules, and they are tacity
adopted But the assumption OF the speakef ru'g to
day that the House bind the Senate to be governed
by rules 10 which 1t does not cOnseni and OF course,
vice versa We have mover adopted the Joint rules fpa
in the rules which il proposed TO ADOPT Every
body tnat there can b. yery FRA, Pn3H nd
prefer that Whenever we come to that discussion We
shall come it direct issue with full debate
Mr. sPRINGER-These Joint rules have never been re-
adopted by any subsequent Congress from the
OF the Government 10 the present ulne. Inc lNent
second Joint Rule was acted under in the counting OF the
votes Of The Presidential electors p 1s6o ANA ss9 III
Mr. HOAR Crop Massl asked the speaker whstI ,t
rule OF action which mad been nasaes aoT T mode Of
proceeding OF the two Houses was not necessaily aD
il Considered these Joint rules no longer in FORGET
Mr. sPRINGER-If the doctrine DO maintained that
when Joint rule il establish between the two Houses
one OF them can obr0gate that rule its WILL there Is no
necessity whatever for adopting JOINT rules because theJ
The SPEAKERIThe Chair thinks that that which
takes two bodies TO do takes TWO bodies to nndo IL is
Nj sPRiSGEREThe joint rules were adopted in the
form q concurrent resolution ana c0hcltie Icsol
repealed by one body without the CONSENT
OF the other. A., v,,
Mr. HoA-Does the gentleman say that rule 69
adopted by concurrent resolution AZ inc Desn,E D
the Government binds successive Houses iore'cr u"'
MI SPRINGER Until both houses abandon Il. DO
certainly. gentleman from MASSACHUSETTS, himself
objected TO votes being Horace Greeley because
he dead and his objection was Dsea on ,e no'S
second joint Rule, which had never Deeh SS
Mr. H0SKiNs (Itop N.Y)-Tf the gentleman from MI
1 cept by conse. OF the Two Houses would ike to in
qre by what law authority latter me s9nate mas 70
pesIed and refused 10 recognize then the House OF any
any other body can enforce thenf ,-.- o,,,o
Mr. sPRINGER-We cannot compel the senate 70 apae
That body Is a law unto ltheH; but
we can on onr part abide by those rules and We choose
TO do it: Appanse ON The Democratic sue orr decided
Mt tho beginning 0f the last session that each House Nus
under tho Constitution tho absolute rgnt to Dinse to
rules which been adopted in the XLlIId Congress
were not in force sc the beginning OF the XliVth l.,
The SPEAEER-It does not follow taat the House Is
not governed by teOint rles especially whentne House
E reminded OF tbs tact that the two bodies IN 81 far az
H. Joint Rule is concerned have several
times Opegated under 80 In counting the electoral NOie
and so far as the concerned, is not aware of
any reason whv that rule should not he executed
more. Applause tho Democratic side.
Mr. KASSON-Can there DE joint rulc 10 which beth
Houses are not at agreed does Is not cease Ia
bo Joint rae the moment that either house dissens
The SPEAkER-ln the judgment OF lhe Cha!r tne
ont rules operate bind both bodies until they are va
| Gated.
| Mr HOAR remarked that the proposition advanced
on the Democratic side r6dHcsto IA GbS"rdl, anu
hr was willing 10 have collection OF schoolDoys or
any collection Of statesmen In tue country abe 20 under
stand those principles Of parliamentary law when every
American baby IN the cradle supposed 10 Know IN
! ptinctiyel consider such q proposition rs thdt .
The discussion closed. and unlcr the rng OF the
Speaker proceeded TO the u, Finished business
Of the last session. which the bill reported by hr:
Bland OF Missouri from the Committee ON Mines ahd
Mining utilize the products Of gold aud silver innee'
Discussion followed.
| The SPEAKER laid before the House the resignation
OF Smith Ely r as Representative from the state OF
| New York. Laid on the table
Tue SPEAKER appointed as the committee to inquire
IA 10 whether frauds have bccn practiced In the election
i'm NeW-York BROOKLYN Jersey CITY, and Philadelphia.
hIessrS Cox DEEM. n. ", Rice lDoD., Ohio, Waddel
(Dcm n. O., MeDOugul (Acp., n. IJ and Wells N'cp'
| Missl
The House then, at $50 p m, adjourned.