The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1876-04-02
TUEWllISKEY CONSPIRACY.
tUE PIOT TO STEdL THE ETIDENCE
AGIINST GEN. B1BCOCk.

WARRINGTON, April 1.-The Committee
=. war Expenditures to-day heard Col. ID. p.
n,., D,.ttiot Attorney at ST. Louis. in reference
A. IN. testimony Of c. S. Beu, the detective who
..,,,e,d Yesterday. Col. Dyer said he first met
nj IN St Louis. IL the fall Of 1875. Bell came
a tho District Attorneys once one day, and
.howed an envelope with a note on the back
,t,o.d Avery, and he Oyer understood IL to be
,,ltten TO Fitztoy to deliver any papers In his
nosse.,ion to Dell Col DYER understood that
peu Wa seeking evidence for the Government.
psl WAS 10 see Joyce, and, II possible, get the
oorre.popdence that passed between Joyce,
Avery. and D,bcock. Col. Dyer wrote a note to
IN. warden " the Jail, and asked him TO deliver
tho pspers TO Bell. the bearer. Bell subsequent
" eane TO St Louis. while the Baboock trial was
on. Col Over met him "t the house of MIR. Eaton
speolaI counsel for the Government In the case.
Bell intlmated that he had got the Avery papers
from the TICS Of the District Attorneys ofilcs.
and exhibited them to Avery and wife at the
Iipdell Hotel. Col. DYER asked him the charac-
ter Of the papers IN order to ascertain the truth
Of the statement Bell said he hsd a pencil
memorandum from u man named woodward.
pencil memorandum from Bluford Wilson, and
a despatch from the Treasury asking Dyer 10
come 10 the secrctary's room. Col. Over re-
mhered that he had bad such papers in his
possession, aud was satisfied from Bells con-
vsrsation that he knew something about their
alsappe rance. Bell had asked " he Dyerl had
ANY dispatches signed Il. Flnch or bullhnch.
Bel said he had Certaln d cunIents In his pos
tesson In New York, aud bad teleRrAphed for
Ihem to ue forwarded TO St. Louis py express.
}he papers, he said, consisted OF cipher, oart-
y In bis aud partly III Lucksys handwriting.
BE ais, said that be h letter from A. c.
Bradley, telling him to come TO Washington,
and he would be cared for.
The .uhstance Of Bells statement was that a
proposition mad been made To him 10y Luckey
and Baocock TO extract testimony In the isb-
cock case I ON the District Attorneys ONCE.
Col Over said he had been very careful OF the
despa,cnes and letters claIinR 20 the Babeook
case, because he feared some such exploit M
was resOrted to In the Avori case. lie placec
item In Uox and deposited them Ia the safe
deuosit vaults Before HAt Bell was one day
seen IA tue District Attorneys ohlce overhaul
Ing some y pers. ana WAS Informed tnat NOBODY
was allowed to- 90 that In the abseuee OF Col
D,er. Bell excused himnelf by saying he was
hunting Tor match to lRht bis cigar with.
BELL soon after the pronosiuoo to furnish this
Information delivered to him the clpher aud
Bradley letter. After the trial ne returned them
10 bell, aud mas not seen them since, except us
produced in the New YorA Herald. these pa
per we're not produced tlli nearly the END Of
tue trial.
WHY DELL WAS not Used As 4 WITNESS.
The reason they were not used in evidence
vs. because LucLev was Summoned there for
the TO, ernmeni, and WAS finally claimed as a
witness for he defence. At n consultation be-
tween Witness aud hls as irintes broadhea ad
and Eaton, as TO the advsibintv Of calling Bell
as witness, IL was decided to wait Till Luckey
was Ut upon the stand and then produce BELL
10 rcbLttL. lt was understood that Bradley was
there also. c lied by, ~ defence. and 1t was in
tended that Boil E.oald not be Urought ia AZ
witness IN chief He6 the uross cution known
or believed that the oeiencs would not eau
Lu'AeS ney would have had Bell brought for
WARD and used In ch ef.
Mt. Bell. Who was IN he room. asked Col. Dyer
whether /. was because Of nis supposed unre-
liz iliiy mat he was not put upon the standf
Col. ID, er answered that when he told him he
Attorneys otiice. he did not look UP N him as a
witness hs wautod t. tie 10 without corrobora-
tive eyi1ence, anu he did not uei.ve much in
him until he got all the paper but II Luckey
had ueen called, he certainly would have put
Bel Oh the stand IN reDu tai.
MIR. Bell Is II not often necessary In such a
business to have recourse 10 extraordinary
measures To get bold Of evdence2
Col Dyer-l nave never neen IN that business,
~ csu't tell. lLaughier.l N.r. Over added,
sOlcmniy, ana with inuch impressiyenrss Cf tone
aud manner In the course OF my Official life,
hs prosecutor or even As all attorney, have
never found II necessary 10 have anyoody TO at
stract the evidence of my o. pOnent to destroy
H. or even to eIanlne IT, would rather lose d
Coz. Over said that Bells testimony was sub
stanually correct, so far > he mad seen II print
Ell m The " hshlngtOn newspapers .nd SO far as
1t referred to MIN. Bell was, howeV, r. incofr-c
In locating the couver alton at the District At
iorn-y's oice. Ii took place at the house Of
Lucien T. ION, one oil hi- ass"ciite counsel.
Prominent Democr .tic mem noers say that now
th Belle testimony mas been confirmed Dy
Dntuct ATTORNEY Dyer, II Is ot serious gravity
r.,
who gave Bsli hC.l.iOus employ Smeut Tor GOV
eminent gay Bells evidence Is The SUBJECT OF
muen excited comment.
WHAT BABcocK's COUNSEL SAYS.
CmCA0O, April l.--E A. stvrrs, WI 0 was the
ieauilg counsel for Babcpck, was interyiew wed
by Iruum reporter ralatlve 90 us story be-
ns the Cymtr committee Yesterday, anu says
Bel l. a miserable Ge ueat detective. lie also
makes the following disclosure:
I'D you Know air. Bell? A.-Weli. should rather
Y No Is hep A-A dad beat detective.
~ W ue make anS proposition 10 you concerning
in-tn ss.d mat the treasury Departme nj had en-
Ss am " steAi certain papers IN the cases Of Avery
.e-nAAt I'D you tell him1 Al tola him that he
'Ii II ee got ny thry eoa d.. 90 hun saY eooa
MAJ be- lsd ren eng Led 6y .ne treasury D.partm.Dt
" 90 10 he ma stated.
" WAT furgncr dld you te nim7 Al told him II
Ss yoa pf9g.ee any Nrit.en contract 10 that effect
W uai lil he saf theuY Ale said he would see
ana et ne snoN Ia da, or two WV
se "a he euas e, srtsen dosraes zoe eaef 1Sm nssH
tieas"f, ohelas, blt ne pro-u 'ed an Hrqavit
ia e'aeI IrrAsary ON ei.ls ~ suon scneile
6la lrr,y ros.! aid found out That he was fraud
teqy tose oct 10 auib boq' for nye bil II he
usy 3,u ~ Hr pr.pyslu 10 HIM 70 eandes
% c ' "a ess ADyOss an an 2 ae s' neTss eS
e4Ay leal and never made any proposition to
SIl We Treasury Department III h ne bOa-teu
,Q-whtre Is uAt efIdavit now2 A.-ItIsin safe
hAnas anu VII be- txibi eu 10 Lnat lnvesLkatihg com
nIIlee al " Na,hiBgtun.
ChAAbLEh CONFIRMS BELLS TESTIMONY.
a Washington special despatch to the Inter.
secretary Chandler says that In December he
A. as ia " NJ OF a good detective, and mentioned
AZ d 'blnet meeting inquIrIng OF otner mem-
/ seis "l he lhllhct u lhey had not some one to
| uV"hhehd u him. some DAYS fterwaTd the
aatFttnt l"ld secretary Chandler tnat "A man
49, u been % hpN Ia ms service during the
~ ~" anu WAS very good detective was ~ scar, b
rtNW"N Mtnl, ahd tnat lie (,he PresidenD had
n, MN to NJ Clandler. Bell oiled on Mr.
U Ii1"Nltr ana sent in his card. Gen. Hurlbut, Of
nuns was IN the room aud saw the card. He
80 nu 20 MI. Chandler. ~ know that man; he
s "aS by lh NY employ during the war and did
N'I'lee' ~. Chandler then sent for Bell
w. Solue ~ lie agreed 10 take him on trlal,
''''utd MN u Chief special Agent Lee
ls - ID ~ toLlnlssiun was made Oui, but
49, lt" ddNs tlLe that he might hx up
Or ,'HttTh he was engaged IN. LeOartlrR
AMI Mu M H. ahu Ben was away for mouth,
M ".'u hv came back he wanted his
ofG 3,n% no had been In the service
tp'H habrock. Leb Tues refused TO nav MIN
NJ referred the mat or 10 secretary Chandirr
w,ud fAluleF itlDsed to p.y MIN unless he
H. "'hs a ctrtncale from Gen. BaDcook
A'u,..''N "au iccn uh governmental service.
s.tv,," 10 gnl Ten COAan 70 certify To mis-
pa, M VINE 'nhndler was gone, anu got MS
81 '''n lie mt q u D. assigned TO duty at
barn." ueclu-e Ills family was tuere, ma Lee
Rays ~ "n'',ig 80 cases to w.rk up there,
lieu b'' 10y ~ fr uduient pension papers.
Ffe,lIeH, "'e htth away many daNs when the
belr,s i tYl1 "a nder that no IA q reason TO
den r' ".'l WIS tAI u an, ana II lie VA, Ia the
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