The Grange advance., 1876-02-23

Q. Did you see any telegram Of that
character from Babcock to Joyce at that
time A. I do not remember to have
seen any. *s: ss. = !.
@. Did General Babcock at th.t time
show you ! dispatch from Joyce il these
. St.TLouis.. OCT. 2s, 1s7s.-see dispatch
70 the President. We mean it Mum.
5s..s JoYCE.
I A. lido notthink that my. memory
goes back to that time. Since these
prosecutions were commenced have seen
that. .-..
Q. am asking you in regard to that
time. A. I do not call it to memory.
Q. Did you receive protest against
the appointment of Constantine Mcguire.
signed by James E. Yeatman, Robert
Campbell and others! a.. I do not re-
member such letter. If such one was
received it IS no doubt on file in the treas.
ury department.. Such = protest may
have been received. .,ss.-. =
Q. Speaking of Ford's objection to
Mcdonald, were you aware that in the
mattera of EDUCATION Mcdonald. when he
was appointed, was an ignorant man.
barely able to write his name! [Obiected
to by counsel for, defendant.1 A. I was
aware that he was not an educated man,
but he was q man that had seen a great
deal of the world and Of people, and 7
would not call him ignorant, exactly;, he
was illiterate. -.
Q. Did you receive protest against
MeDonald's s appointment signed by Carl
Schurz, G. A. Nnklenburg, R. 7. Van
Horn, and other men in Missouri? Object
ed to by counsel for defendant A. 1 do
not remember 1t is a matter of record
if it was received. do not know that it
would have had any particular weight
with me if I had received it, his indorse-
ments being good.
Q. Do you remember at this distance Of
time on whose recommendation Mr.. Joyce
was appointed! A.. My recollection is
that when Mcdonald was appointed su-
pervisor he asked the commissioner of in.
ternal revenue to give him an assistant
from his Office. some man who was
acquainted with the duties. I
think there was no acquaintance existing
at all between Joyce and Mcdonald at
that time. That is my recollection.
never had heard of Joyce myself, and
did not know Of the existence Of such a
man until he was appointed on the recon-
mendation, as understood, of the then
commissioner, who thought him to be the
most capable man in his Office. I did not
remember about these dispatches at all
until since the conspiracy trials have COM
menced. have heard General Bab-
cocks explanation Of most or all of the m
since that. Many Of these dispatches
may have been shown to me at the time
and explained, but do not remember of
it.
@. Did you know at the time that
during the fall Of 1875, subsequent to
your visit to St. Louis, Gen. Babcock
corresponded with John Mcdonald after
the latter was indicted, and sent his let.
ters to Mcdonald under cover to Major
E. B. Grimes? A. I was not aware of
it at the time.
@. Did you know at the time that
General Babcock sent cipher dispatches
to Major Luckey, at St. Louis, over his
own and over q fictitious signature, on
the 18th or 18th of last November? A.
I do not remember as to particular dates,
but we have an executive mansion cipher
so that when myself and secretaries are
separated dispatches can be sent without
being read by the operators. We always
have had such cipher. l have no par
ticular knowledge, but I knew in a
general way that they were correspond
ing while Mr.. Luckey was there during
the Avery trial, he having gono there, as
I understood, as a witness.
@. Did you see the dispatches before
they were sent A. l do not think
saw the dispatches.
Q. Have you any objections to stat
ing the meaning in that cipher of two
words only, the words t'Hamlet'' and
''Bandage?' A. never keep the cipher
and never write cipher dispatch. I
never travel without having secretary
with me.
@. You do not know what those words
mean! A. I do not know. When
want to send dispatch in cipher, I give
it to one Of my secretaries in the ordina-
ry form and he transmits it.
@. On or about December S, 1873, did
Gen. Bapcock show you dispatch from
Joyce to himself, in these words: ''Is
there any hitch in sending Mcguire s
name to the Senate? JoYcE.'' A. I
cannot remember particularly. I think,
however, Gen. Babcock did ask me if
there was any reason why Maguire's
name should not be sent. I have an in.
distinct recollection of his asking me the
question.
Q. You have said that you resisted
the pressure brought to bear upon you
by prominent public men in regard to the
suspension or revocation of the order
transferring supervisors. If YOU have no