The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1876-02-18

= What did you ultimately decide TO do with REFER
enee 70 the appointment and to whom, II to any one,
uu you decide 10 leave the naming Of his successorf
ooJected to by the counsel for the prosecution IT.
relevant and incompetent
A. That was answered in my answer to tho previous
question.
Y. "hom did the bondsmen actually recommend
objected to as incompetent and irrelevant
A. Constantine Mcguire.
= And on whose recommendation exclusively was
he appointed A could not say on whose recon-
mendation exclusively; he was well recommended and
satisfactory TO the bondsmen of Mr.. Ford
Answer objected to by counsel for the prosecution
unless the recommendations, If in writing are pro-
duced
Q. Did General Babcock in any way directly or
indirectly, urge request seek influence the ap-
pointment Of Mr.. Mcguire, did he ever exchange
word with you the subject which indicated that he
desired his appointment
Objected to the ground OF rrelevancy and incom-
potency. The witness cannot state conversations be-
tween himself and defendant
A. do not think he did; do not think he
was aware OF the existence of Constantine Mcguire be-
fore his recommendation.
Did you inform General Babcock that you in
tended TO leave tho OF Fords successor to his
bondsmen and did you request him SO to notify these
parties9
Objected to the ground ofirrelevancy and incom-
potency. The question is answered in a previous an
swer
Q II embraces, perhaps, this addition Did you
quest him to notify the parties
Same objection as to previous question.
A. That part don't remember. 1t was not ex-
pected or thought OF that this would ever become
matter OF investigation, and therefore my memory
would not be accurate
CORRESPONDENTS ON MAGUIRR
Q Are the kilograms now shown you the ones re.
ceived in relation to the appointment of Mr. Magure9
Objected to as mmateral aud incompetent. and
because the papers do not purport to be originals.
A have no doubt that these the dispatches, or
copies OF the dispatches that received II tele-
grams similar in tenor to those that were received
The papers were marked exhibits Nos l, q 8 4 and s.
Q. There IS letter, Mr. President, CONNECTED with
these kilograms, dated January T. 1876, from D. D.
Pratt Commissioner; will you be kind enough to ex-
plain how that letter received by you, and what
connection 1t had with the telegramsp
Objected to as immaterial irrelevant and ncomps
tent
A. The note from the Commissioner OF Internal
Revenue is in answer TO request for me to be fur
nished with kilograms recommending Mcguire to the
Office OF Collector
Answer objected to by prosecution as incompetent
and i'm material
O Did General Baboock so far as you know ever
seek In any way to influence your action reference
TO any charge made or proposed to DO made against
joyce or Mcdonald either OF themp
Objected to incompetent, lmmateral ana irrele-
want
A. Do not remember OF his ever speaking to mo on
the subject at ALL he certainly took lively nteresl
IN the matter or should have remembered il.
BABcocKs IxrERcEssIox
Q. Did General Babcock, SO far as you know ever
seek in any way to influence your action with
to any investigation alleged whskey frauds in ST.
Louis elsewhere
Objected to as immaterial, irrelevant and incom-
peten.
A He did not; possibly might state right here that
remember but one instance OF his talking to
at all about the matter OF investigation, except since
he has been indicted, and then 1t simply to say
to that he had asked Mr.. Douglass why IL
was that they threatened all their officials
though they dishonest persons, by
sending spies to watch them, and asking why they
could make inspections somewhat they do in the
army-send of character to their distleries and
take their books and made a report be relied on
believe that he simply told that he had said this to
Mr.. Douglass
Answer objected TO by prosecution mmateral and
incompetent in stating conversations between the ac-
cused and witness.
O Do you remember the circumstance Of General
McDonalds being in the city of Washington the eth
of December, 1874 A. do not remember the par.
ticular date; remember the time in question.
O. III understand you correctly. General Babcock's
conception was that, in making the investigation, II
would be wiser TO have q done by men OF superior
character by OF inferior and suspicious char
acter2
irrelevant
A. Yes
THs RIDE WITH n'DoyALD.
@ Did you ride with him on about that date or
occasion, AMI was anything said there by him to you
with reference to the investigation Of alleged fraud
his dstrict2
Objected TO by the prosecution as irrelevant and i'm.
material Conversations between John. Mcdonald and
witness are not admissible in any theory Of this
A. did pick him up on the sidewalk as was taking
drive and invited him 70 get and drive with me
have no recollection OF single word OF conversation
on any matter touching his Official position or bust
Q Did General Babcock at or about that time say
anything to your knowledge; did he in any way I'M
dertake TO prevent themf
Same objection as to previous question.
A. have no recollection OF his saying anything
about that he certainly did not intercede with
THE FAMOUS REVOCATION
O Do you remember the circumstances OF the pro.
mitigation oil any order transferring the super.
vsors from their own to other districts9
Same objection as to previous question.
A. do.
o State fully With whom the idea upon which that
order based originated, and the particulars Of the
reasons which induced you TO direct III
Same objection
A. Some time while Mr.. Richardson was Secretary OF
the Treasury thInk-at all events before Mr. Brstow
became Secretary OF the Treasury-Mr. Douglass ex-
pressed the idea 10 me that IL would be good plan to
occasionally change the supervisors around from one
district TO another and expressed myself favorably
TO II; but was not done then and thought OF any
more TIL when II became evident that the Treasury
being defrnuded Of portion OF the revenue that II
should receive from tho distllation OF spirits
in the West Secretary Brstow called on me
and made general statement OF his suspicious and
then suggested TO him this idea; that suggestion
the order making these transfers Of Supervisors
made; at that time did not understand that there
any suspicion at all OF the officials but knew that
each Of the officials had his own way Of ransactng
his business; that these distillers have so much
pecunary interest In doceiving the officials would
learn their ways and learn how evade them and my
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