New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1876-04-28

money received by him from the Attorney IN
1871 and proceeding TO say that IN that year ne ad
expended 900 Of his and for this ne mad
no vouchers, when Mr. Cochrane nterrupting said Ne
desired the witness confnc himself to the question
| asked. Witness replied TINT the statement rs 10 MS
So 900 expended necessary preliminary TO what
was to follow because the 5000 might turn up AFTER
ward and question might be raised In reference 10
it. He then explained that In 1871 he received In al
So 900 from the Attorney General the first payment OF
81 900 having been made in august Of that year. 10
1872 he received 600; in 1873 $4,000, and In 1874
00O making In all the sum OF S3iOOo, ana or Ihe
| expenditure of which he had receipts.
Witness was asked what he had done previous to Au
gust, 1871 to authorize him to receive the money then
to him. He replied by exhibiting series OF books
which he had prepared for the purpose OF detecting
frauds.
BY Mr. Conger-As I understand you then you had in
Cured large expenses prior August 1871 and as the
expenses growing You went to Long Branch
to the President to ask him II part Of the fund coud
be used to continue the work. witness-That is It
exactly.
BY Mr. Candler-Dld you that time inform the Presi-
dent that this expense had been incurredf witness
replied he had explained the matter to the President.
He took the books and papers TO Long Branch with nm
to show the President the class OF work he was DONG
Tho money that given TO him. therefore, to pay ex
penses that had incurred in the past and such as
would be incurred in the future the money was to pay
for work actually done and not for information
BY Mr.. Cochrane-Did you always indicate on your
checks pu pose for which it gvenl A. did not
O. find here q check paid 10 nr. Pavy. Who Is Mr..
Pavyi A. He n clerh in my Office. The check to MIN
was TO pay the clerks under him in his room.
BY Mr. CongerDid the President, at the time OF your
conversation with him at Long Branch or at any time
thereafter any shape manner, say that any portion
OF this money to be used for political purposesi A
He did not understood that it was to be used In the
detection OF frauds at elections.
pv p ~ ext
under any authority Of the acts Ct 1871 or 1872 or any
other law Witness replied that after an examination
he found that In order to proper detection OF fraud
was nee ssary that one should devote his whole
attention the subject for the purpose of detectng
fraud especially three four were deyoting all
their time to the preparation Of frauds.
@. You admit then that in this extra work you went
beyond the laws Of 1871 and 1877 A. admit taa the
preparation books and the other extra work was
rot specifically contemplated by these acts.
O. Was the work contemplated by any act OF Congress
A. No. SIR but grew of tho necessities Of tine case
deemed all these books necessary for instance take
convict booK which had recorded the names of all
convcts the time they served in the Penitenary, and
other matters by which they prevented from Vot-
ng in the case OF Terrence Quur for instance 1t was
found that he was convict. WHncss produced what he
called his convict book and desc lied it,
II reply Mr. Wait, with 50 further said that his
books had ACCOMPLISHED the Iect at which he aimed,
Mr. Durham wanted witness to name any Democrats
who had approved OF his mode OF detecting the frauds,
and witness named Col j. X. Fellows, Isaac Sherman
(wLo a Greeley mani, James ". Brown and Foster
Dewey late private secretary TO VIM. NJ. Tweed Dewey
told witness in the Icenar House, not long ago, ave
In Eow-York know what yolr system has done. and If
any one proposes {, bu against it, it will not be
Eew-YoTk Democrats"
Davenport's attention called To letter writ
ten by him TO Col. H. C. Whitley in ISL In which he
asks Col whitley for $1,000 which ii was agreed was
20 be sent him in New-York He said what he had ref
crcnce 90 the agreement between himself end the
President and tie Al orneyt enera that he was 10 have
that amount he did not get II all at one titAe mn u was
paid IN different AID at diilereni times tts Whee
amount he received In ISL vas SoooO; IN
Iuly, 1872. be received $1,000 Mt one pay
;ncnf; witrCss understood that nc money c!nlr
orr ~ an lpriaon OF 10000 10 be expended by
the General for the dctection aud punishment
Of frauds aliuslOn ma' by tie PRESIDENT
or The witness TO tie that 1872 the Presidential
year. IL would have been improper ior either 20 aade
Congressional elections He here produced vouchers
for payments from January to april Isa: one ne, lot OF
mcnt Of clerks for copying, ard for other purose
THIS amount for work antc-datns July l3 ls12,
when witness received another 5000 AS 10 the
amounts otherWl-e expended between April 1877, aud
jay 49, 1872 that will be asccrtaned by reference TO
toe in the Treasury Department which witness
The replication FOR the $4,000 paid July 10 made
two weeks before that never carried Written order
money Mr. Williams had stated that 10 be tic case but
he was mistaken. The only objection Williams ever
wanted The iund to used in the South Tue witness
next received $4,000 on the 10Th day OF
eptemb The receipt for aGe m inr,yyres y
II Is possible that Whitley objected to paying the
$4,000 he wanted all the money he could get 70 use
in ku Klux operations. Attorney General Williams
wrote TO Whitley To pay witness the money, and then
WMtcys connection with II ceased Al The vouchers
or expenses between July - and sept 26 ISL arc III
Tho Ireusl DeDartIueut