, 1876-05-21
Won HOLLEN.
rvomiuation of Brother~in-
Law Hopper.
uow He Learned Of Won Hollen's
Gambling Propensities. -4-
4 Talk with Him on the Sublect.--Exam-
ming the Books.

ming the Books.
4ssarauces tllat It Was All Right In 1875
...Thc DeEaulter's Habits.
m. Von Hollcn case received some further
,t+ent,on Yesterday. Charles Hopper, broth
Inlay Of the runaway Collector, was exam.
I'D hv City-Attorney Tuthill. The material
,,o,p+s of his statement are as follows:
o1state your name, age, residence, and occn-
,.F;on. Any name is Charles Hopper, age
rt4a fhont 40. residence -aso West Randolph street,
rh;cseo: At present am doing nothing.
]1n,IVhat has been your occupation heretofore1
8Eaftcr the election went in as clerk.
After the last election. or the first ciectlonl
A;-lIms a. Emo ". YOU Know George Won Hollen. A.
afs' 'anow III long hare you known him, Al h.ve
t-,1.,n him for sixteen ye2rs.
AaS". Are you in any way connected with him!
EYes. eir: hc is my wife's brother.
THE LAST VIEW.
o.-uow long SINCE have You seen Won Hollen!
"a week ago last Wednesday.
Ao.1What time in the day. A-1nthe afternoon
ho9u. IBID @ yoa have any talk with hims A--Yes
III Whist did you talk about. Al asked him
how he bad fixed his affairs, If everything all
Tieht and straight
tsxnr vas all right aud straight! A.-Itwas about
tonr day. before told him in the presence OF the
Cashier that heard some different ru,nors on the
street and i made 19i Ta fsst aneasy tod etn
d4r that spoke to him. ] told him that would
wit until the next Tuesday, and see If he would
give me any satisfaction bctter than had now, and
& not thst would expose him TO the Comptroller,
II wonld make report to the Comptroller. Il did
inst on account Of the rumors that heard that
there was something not straight.
wHAT he HAD SAID.
o.-Wbst did you tell him you had heard! Al
told him thai had heard that he was gambling. and
had lost considerable money, and wanted to kuowf
he had the money deposited somewhere, and II he
cpujd make it up. because was afraid if the new
Council came in It was not very certain that they
would keep him, because there WIS good deal OF
tslE Of bis Office being Illegal 1t was Ike
rolyiDs, and that he could not hold over. I told
him Intended to 60 to Europe, and 1would like to
Fee everything straight and right before went
away.
3 large amount OF money gambling: A.-Yes, sir,
Ihad and wanted to know whether it, was true.
Q--When did yeu hear that he WIS sambling'
A.-1n the last OF March.
V.-W bat did Henry Gsceucbaum tell you! A.
Itook my thinner on Randolph street, one day, and
Henry GreeueEaum came in also. and took his
dinner in there, and a5 soon az got through he
said "Charlie+ don't 60 awny; want to see you
before you GO So took tt chair aud went to his
table, and sat down there, and then he told me-
He FAVE snow / feel alarmed d little There
was presented to check yesterday in our bank,
end We inquired about this man who presented tho
bling men, Joe OF George Hankins, i forget tie
nane ex1ctly-"
Q.-AI. uankins! A--He said they found ont
TINT It WAS George r. could not ,s BE- positive
Old be say how much the amount OF the
check was for: A-fes, sir. 4 am not mistaken,
hood. It was over S7Oo.
INVESTIGATING. f..
Odd he state to you that he ever had my such
Hen anenry ~ how can ind 1 autf lave yoa got @ such
checks from such people before:" Says he, II
don't know anything about It." Says he, iii you
h b %s 9 RsaeR5 R e f9E sse evsF 4ns IT. f.
the afternoon half an hour afterwards and Mr.
Sshaner Ra5dI had better go and see Mr. Henry
Gseenebauu myself.
Q.-Ar. Schaffer would not tell yon about its
A.-No: he said he did not know anything about
T. So went again 10 Henry and he said shonld
~ around in two OF three days. That was about
md he should hunt mp and see II there were such
3thcr checks
Qt-W'hat did he say, his impression was about
ot that check but he didn't feel very much
harmed about it. Two days afterwards ! went in
nd be said That is al We haye got; thaI Il. Tas
sid, '*No, 1didn't pay it, because George didn't
hen, but the money was all drawn out
Q.-That was Nj. Schatfer that was talking 10
on. A-Ics. sir: It was Mr.. Schaffer and Mr.
1reenebaum.
Q.-Tbey were not together when you were talk
m e an1v Rsts we6f
nd asked schaffer II they paid those checks.
'Well+,'' be says, las long as VIC have got money
Q+@Did Won uollen keep city money on deposit
here' Ale did in the beginning. When we
rst moved in this Office after the fire there was no
auft, or nothing. at all to keep the money safe.
: Cashier, and they consulted about
heard Tom Brennan and Won Hollen talking
. one Of the bondsmen's hands, and as Henry
'reenehau1u was one OF the first bondsnacn 1t was
ettcr 10 deposit there. There was no v0nlt OF
sfs nor nothins At haeme to h hsesp 3 the money;
18th Won HoIlen on Friday previous to his depart
re: A-Yes, sir.
,Q.-.Aad told hin you must have IN explanation
Q.-By Tueedays A.-Yes. sir. would wait
o longer, told him
9.-Whst did yon tell him you woo,d DO: Al
lis thing investigated and see how it stood, be-
ause they would not give INC any satisfaction
ALL RIGHT
Q.-Nhnt did Won uollen saw to youy A.-We1l, I
{ said need not be afraid. didn't need to make |
Ut mountain Of moIehiII. Ue said it was not |
ecessary, because he said that he could make it I
P any time. Dooaey also told nc
Q.-Did he acknowledge to you TINT he had been J
lmhlinss A-He said it didn't amount to any
ing. Hc went in With some political friends and
didn't gamble to amount to anything at all, he
id.
Q.-Ifad you never heard about his gambling be-
ts thai timer A.-Yes, sir; I did hear not long
fore It vas about the same time. Bickerdyke
ID me- aaked him: .@What do you
ant with George all Of the time! You inquire for
re you got With himl" He says, 1--WE intend
baJ cut mine" Says ], ~ don't believe
,osge has got money enough to buy outu mine"
ell, he says, he thought It would n6t cost much:
would put In shc main part ed the money and
.ocgc little, and finally said, ..Yoa come here
Esq q Well " he said. ~ try to keep George
Edght He has got into very bad hands" " I
-, ''How is that and what do you mean by bad
ndss What kind of bad hands!" well, " he |
u <sSome bad politicinns-zottenp politicians
Q+-Did he mention any namesr A--No, sir;
mblers, he snid. He said, "George is too good
tured, and am afraid he il not safe. Well.
ell he says be was twice with him, but he didn't
% much.
Did he tell you
THE PLACES
wss with him at! Ale said It was on the
rues OF Madison and Clark streets, upstairs.
2-Do you know who keeps that3 A~-No. Sir,
ont know.
Q--Nhat other places did he say he was at! A.
at said there was another place near the alley, |
Clark St But be never showed me the house
sSed him TO-. He a1ways tried to get out OF r.
2.-Whst did he say about his gambling there
these houRes? A.-He-e1id there was another
Ice. He went to house over on Clark street,
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