The New York herald., 1876-07-08

scFvce CuFug Tho present year HbOu.
SO 600 900 below the appropriations he then referre
to the estimates of revenues Tor the ensuing lsci
year, and arsued that the revenue or ,na
government Would be ample Tor all iis purposes ana
would be ample 10 meet all obi cations o the goyer
mcnt, including the sinking fund. Mr.. MorriII thu
referred 10 the amounts appropriated n the s.., n
Appropriation bills ne they passed the House o, p
resenetves, the increase made py the Senate fpp pp
miice on Appropriate MS sc as heretofore .on'
Mr SHERMAN inquired Il 1t true thar by tn ,',
Oflicc Appropriation bill. which recently passes ,ha
compensation OF the erea, body OF the rosimas,ars
throughout The United States had been raised ,ns,.s
OF lowered
Mr. MORRILL, replied be understood the saI,r,ss .,
the lower class OF posimastes had been raised by thai
Mr. H,SIIS. lrcp) OF No.. n member OF the cor,o-
ence COMMITTEE on 1he Post ONCE Appropriation bi
saiG the scale OF compensation agreed upon bv tha,
committee probably increased the compensation -,
postmasers ia about one case OF twenty but tbe
increase n no case exceeded 500 The whole amount
OF reduction made by the bill was about $500 900
Mr. MoSRiiL then concluded his remarks and in
doing SAID he vas sorry Tor having detained ,ha
seLaie 80 long, but IT was not likely that he woud de-
feat
Mr MoRroS rep OF nd said the question horor. On.
Senate now whether the House OF Representativcs
had tho sht TO to the Senate:.'Wc viii refuse 10
make appropriations which the general laws OF the
land requires, unless yon consent to chappe thn.o
laws. lie thought that proposition involved the
principle of nuihhcaion pure and simple IL was lust
the position taken by South Carolina IN 1892 II eliher
House oil Congress said II would not make Az ammo.
prialion unless the other House would consent to a
change IN any law u was nullihcaiIon The House
taid 10 the senate, Repeal the Election law, or We
Will strike down the army" II such principe as
that prevailed II woui.l bc an end Two
houses OF Congress II the old argument
your your iile. The question was whether
the senate should be driven to certain legislation by
threat to destroy the government any department
OF the government That was not AN argument ad-
dressed TO The reason of Senators, their fears
IL seemed to him that senator could Tor one mo.
ncnt entertain such an argument
Mr. THURMAN, dem OF OHIO. said so far as he knew
and believed there not senator IN this Chamber
who was not ready to vote a motion to grant
new conference, when II made Had
the question been taken the
mously adopted and the Senate would
have gone on IN It's quiet way. The very air Of this
chamber Tor the last two hours had been Tiled with
alarm and nullicaton. What ground existed for all
thsr Who had made any threats destroy tue gov
ernmenty The House ol representatives tn the excr
else OF ITS constitutional right, had reduced the APP
propr ations Tor the government Who aut hor!ze
to say that was threat TO cocrcc the scnatey the
Senator from Indiana l Morton) alluded to the EIcc
ton law and SAID the House wanted IL repealed How
did 1t become law If not IN the midst of
appropriation bill. and IN this very senatey
He argued that The House of Representatives, had the
right submit this legislation and said If the senator
from Indiana (Morton) called this nulHcat,on what
right had the Houses OF Congress to put IegisIa
zion in an Appropriation bill and force It upon the
to-day idle alarm, and extraordinary Senate
at this tine. II was more like stump speeches than
anything else He admitted it VICIOUS practice
put legislation upon appropriation bills, but it had
been done ey all parties He remembered when
certain Andrew johnson President OF
the United States than was
compelled TO swallow distasteiui legislation or
let he Appropriation bills fail There nulilGca
N.
tves and there was no dsrespcct toward the Senate
on the part OF the House. He argued that a case
might exist where me senate or House would be jus.
tined IN Withholding appropriations Tor the army and
navy. Each house must stand upon its own judg
ment
Mr. MoRroN said the Election law was put upon an
Appropriation bill but II by the OF both
houses OF Congress. When the House said IL would
appropriation Dill unless the Senate will do
30, It was nullihcation
Mr THURMAN said nuiacation was like good many
other terms Haunted IN the face Of the people
fulla nd an hat Wug
the use OF talking ms II We stood upon volcano? No
had right to suppose that one House OF Congress
was less patriotic than The other He then referred
The remarks OF Mr. Morrill,, and said he must that
there something OF vehcmence and passion his
manner this morning which aid not look like peace
conference, and when II was followed up by q talk
about nufcatlon he did not understand the scene
enacted here TO day.
Mr. LOGAN rep) Of ILL., said he agreed with the Sen
ator from Indiana hr Morou) that the action OF one
house OF Congress in saying t would not agree to ap-
preparation bills unless the other would agree change
a certain law both nuliication and revolution he
denied the House had tho sole right originate
appropriation bills, and said II the senate should put
upon an appropriation DILL legislation which did
the OF the House Of Representatives. no
would vote TO withdraw Il. Tho acton of tho
House OF Representatives in the present
make little capital before the country and he (Mr
term Of service before be would agree to the propos
ton demanded with u hand At his throat
Mr.. HERMAN. tdem) Of n. Y. said ell this debate
about destroying The government and nuication had
no application here. Business througout the
country were reducing the number OF their employees
Senate that the people OF the country would stand
good deal OF this kind OF revolution in the government
. Mr. BocY dem OF Mo said he regretted that this
debate had forced upon the Senate Senators
who believed IN honest reform had right to reply TO
the arguments mado here to day by tho
Senators IRON Indiana and Illinois Messrs Morton aud
Logan. He defended the action OF the House OF Rep
resentaves in reducing expenses and argued that the
Senate had no right to assa the the House
of Representatives, That body had acted obedience
to the voice of the people.
; The motion OF Mr. Morrill, 10 grant the new confer.
renee asked for by tho House va agreed to. and the
Char appointed Messrs. Windom. Allison aud Bayard
me- n,bcrs o the committee the part OF the
on motion OF Mr. Window the Senate insisted upon
its anne ndmcnts to the Sundry Civil Appropriation bil
aud agreed the conference asked for by the House OF
Representatives
The Char appointed as members Of the committee
the part of the Senate Messrs. Window, Morton and
Thurman.
MIR. LOGAN gave notice that hc would call mp the
House bill for the equalization OF bountcs Tomorrow
during the morning hour
Legislative business resumed aftcr the impeach-
men, proceedings adjourned and Mr. Edmunds
submitted order to amend rule twenty of rules for
the government OF lmpea' hment trials, that all
offers objections evidence and other inter-
ocuOry and Incidental questions one counsel and
manager may he heard, and the whole argument
each side shall not exceed thirty minutes without
permission OF the Senate He asked that 1t be LAID
over gave notice that he would call 1t up for
sideration tomorrow
MIR CoSKLINe gave notice that he would offer an
amendment so AS TO provide that consultation IN the
may be held without clearing tho galleries and
cosing the doors, and said his purpose to allow
the members of the senate to express their nions
questions arising
Mr. CocKRELL gave notice that he would submit an
amendment the order OF Mr.. Edmunds.
limit the time for argument to twenty, instead OF
thirty minutes
Mr. Window was excused from service on the sundry
Civil Appropriation bill, and Mr.. Sargent ap-
pointed IN his pace.
The Senate then. at forty minutes past i've p NJ
adjourned until eleven o'clock to morrow.
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