Alexandria gazette. [volume] (Alexandria, D.C.) 1834-1974, 1876-06-10
MIR. Hoar, of Massachusetts. | object.

tenn. directed the doorkeepcr TO exclude from
the floor all persons not entitled TO the prlvl-
lege, and TO preserve order in the galleries,
announcing it as bis determination to break up
this system Of "cIaqu rism" 10 the House.
Mr.. Garfield suggested that the amendment
proposed should be allowed.
Mr. Blackburn, OF Kentucky. Will the gen.
tlemau accept as az amendment tue resolution
offered by the gentleman from illinois, Mr.
Morrison ?
Mr. Garfield. have no authority to accept
gested to the gentleman from Virginia yester-
day, and to which he slid he had no sort Of
objection. Everybody, think. will feel that
it is but fairness all round to allow the amend
ment to be offered The gentleman from Nir
GINA statad yesterday that he had no sort OF
objection to the publishing Of the dispatch for
what il was worth, and of the proceedings OF
the committee on Wednesday. That was all
that WAS asked for on his side, and if it were
accepted there need be 40 further delay in the
matter. He asked the gentleman from Vir.
ginia to allow that amendment to be voted on.
Mr.. Iluntou replied that when that proceed
ing took place 10 the House. he had stated to
the House las he now stately that he had no
sort Of objection to publishing the telegram
for what it is worth, but he did not agree TO
accept it as an amendment to his resolution.
1t seemed to him that tn" resolution suggested
by the gentleman from illinois was u proper
one, and that i! met the whole case.
Mr.. Garfield The gentleman has stated,
and nobody has contradcted his view, that the
telegram propose to be published is not evil
denca. That is perfectly clear. 1t was not
: asked to be published as evidence. 1t was
asked 10 be published in connection with the
proceedings OF the committee as such. The
proposition Of the geutlemsn from Illinois MIR.
Morrisonl is that that shall not only be pub
llsh,d AS suggested, but that there may pro-
&C, ding of the committee to take hearsay tes
! tim0ny, which, as understand, the COMMITTEE
has almost, il not quite unanimously, resolved
, not to do This dispatch is not claimed to be
evidence.
MIR. Springer Then why is it urg~d2
Mr. Garfield. 1t is q part Of the res gestn
of the proceedings Of the Committee, aud it is
not evidence.
Mr.. Springer. 1t must be either evidence
. or something else.
Mr. Garfield. You may call it what you
, please We do not call it evidence and | will
, simply say 10 the chairman of the Committee
1 on Ways and Means that TO put 10 rule pow
authorizing and directing he committee to re.
ceivc hcar5ay evidence, which it does not now
receive, would be maniIcstly Unfair and unj us,
? and therefore trust that that clause will not
be added.
c Mr.. Morrison understand the gentleman
e from Maine to desire the publication Of the dis
patch for what it is worth. Now. submit 10
c all candor if it is not proper Tor the committee
to show hat it is not worth Anything. That is
e the object of my resolution. That is all pro
] pose to do. You want to taxi the dispatch Tor
f what it is worth. You may. >wever. think it
t is worth something as piece of evidence in
t favor of the gentleman from Maine. 10 the
extent that the dispa ch is true, the gentl man
would have the benefit Of it; but if it is not
: tru. he should not have the beueftot it. Then
why not allow the committee to take evidence
t to show that it Is not true. That is all the OBJ
i ect Of my reSo uIlrn.
MIR. Garfield. | agree perfectly with what
tho gentleman says, that is l. perfectly and alb
= solutcly right to allow the committee to prove
D that the dispatch is worth nothing. 1t is not
r proposed to be offered a5 evidence Ii the
, committee can show it to be spurious it ought
r to show it. Ii the committee can show it to
be false, it ought to show it. But all that
y ask is that this House shall not make a rule
. that would be vioalioniof all the known rules
: Of evidence, viz: That by secondary and hear
, say evidence the committee shall undertake to
prove something about the dispatch. Let the
n committee prove all il can, but prove it by the
known rules of evidence.
Mr.. Randall. The known rules Of evidence
would exclude the paper altogether.
Mr.. Springer. The proposition is this, that
| Mr. Caldwell may give evidence without baiog
under oath, and that he cannot be contradictcd
by evidence under OATH
e Mr.. Garfield. Nobody has claimed that
thi. dispa,cis is evidence.
Mr.. McMahoo, Of Ohio. Yes, it is claimed
1 as evidence, and the whole cnuutry is called
@ upon to notice that the House is excluding tes.
q timony.
e Mr.. Springer to Mr.. Garfield. If it Is not
claimed AS evidence, on what ground do you
! ask to have ii put in the record
] Mr.. CART Id. On the same ground that the
e gentleman Mr. Springer pu; in cable dis.
patch condrmning General Schcnck. only thar
W. do not call this evidence, and you DID call
r that evidence.
Mr.. Springer. But General ScheDck was
4 heard.
| MIR. Garfield. Aye, on his sick bed. when
/ he Was 400 miles away from here. Dou' make
. FISH Of one aud flesh Of another.
} The question was again taken, and this tlmc
the Republicans did not withhold their votes.
. The motion to lay on the table was carried
yeas l26, nays 81.
Mr. Morrison then asked leave to offer his
resolution, but Dir. HurIbut, Of Illinois, oh
jected
Mr. Morrison then asked leave to otfar re-
solution providing that on Monday, Tuesday,
, "Wednesday and Thursday OF next week no
business OF political character should be con-
: sdeieI by the House.
Mr.. Hoar, OF Massachusetts. Is any such
business possible.
The Speaker pro tenn. The chair is unable
to decide.
Mr.. Bland, of Missouri objected and the re
solution was not received.
The House then went into committee Of the
whole 90 the private calendar (Mr. Blackburn.
of Kentucky, iu the chalr,) aud took up the
bill to confirm certain private land claims III
the territory Of New Mexico.
Mr.. T ,ster, Of Ohio was appointed on the
conference committee 90 the calendar and dip
omatc appropriation bill, instead OF Mr. Wal,
dron, of Michigan, who, With large number
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