The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1876-04-01


interior appointed your A. suppose he did; know
that the President and Mr. Luckey both spoke 70 him
personally about appointing me; received the APP
a. nrst class clerk IN the Pension ONCE.
Ho explained that there such Office as special
sgcnt under tho Interior Department the men acting
lars q year and IS per diem and travelling expenses
ONCE on the III Of January last the list Of cases
sent 10 me az ST. Louis TO be worked up, but never
worked them up
In cross-examination by Mr.. Danford the witness
statcd that the reason he did not go 70 the President
and tell him that Secretary Beknap had proposed TO
HIM to pay for post leadership was that the sccre.
tary OF War weighed somewhat moro than he did, and
he did not think II would do to attack HIM.
Mr. Clymer-Under that appointment we're you in.
terestcd in the Babcock case in ST. LOUISE A No, !
was not
O Were you sent out there TO take any part in III
A. No, sir. not under tins appointment
@ Under any appontmentr A. No, SIR
tion with that case A. Not by the government.
@ By whom, then--General Babcock? A. (hesitat-
inglyl-No, cannot say that was
u By his counscly A. No. SIR.
2. BY anybody for hims A. BY some ONE acting for
him suppose acting for him. they said they were
. What services were you to render under that
ployment! A. latter paase)-I would like little
time 10 reflect upon that matter, SO as to put Il IN
q only want the truth; it is not very hard to tell
that A. do not know as that has anything to DO
Q. We viii determine that after hear It. only
want TO know who employed your A. In regard to
those st. Louis whskcy matterss
Y Yes. General Babcock is an officer OF the army,
and propose TO inquire about HIM now A. Well
was employed by Mr. Luckey, the private secretary OF
HOW BAnoocK's ESCAPE WAS MANAGED.
Q. What you to do for Mr.. I.uckeyy A. TO
make brief possible was to look into the hands
OF tue District Attorney there Colonel Dyer, and SEQ
what evidence there was against General Babcock
there and INQUIRE what case there was against General
Babcocky A. was there at the time.
O. Did Mr. Luckey write 10 you? A. No. sir; met
O How were you to do IL? A. l was simply TO visit
the District Attorneys Office, as had the run Of tho
Office there, and see what evidence there was
= Did you 60 there and get hold Of 1t? A. l did
Q With the consent OF the District Attorney A.
q You got II surrepttiously, theaY A. / did.
q Did you furnish what you got to Colonel LuckeyP
A. did; that was IN November at the Lindel Hotel
O. Was there any other person connected with
Colonel Luckey that you know or A. A gentleman
named A. G. Bradley, Of Washington, who said he was
acting OF the counsel for General Babcock.
o. What information did you furnish Luckeyy A. /
told him that the evidence against General Babcock at
that time was weak; did not give HIM copies OF any
q Had you read tho evidence against Babcock that
was IN the District Attorneys Officer A. oh, no; !
only knew from what heard In the office and what
Colonel Dyer himself told me.
Q. Did Colonel Dyer know that you were the agent
OF Luckeyf A. No. sir; not ut that time Suisse
q Did you look over the papers in that Officer A.
Some OF them
Q. Did you read them all A. l read good many
OF them.
Q Where did you get the papers in the Officer A.
On the table and IN the drawers.
Q. Was that the service that Colonel Luckcy
told you 10 render himY A. II was
BELIEr IN RAscocK's QUILT.
Q. He told you 10 80 there and hnd-s A. To 20
and find out all could wish TO state that at that
time believed IRON tine conversations heard IN the
men OUTSIDE that this atsemp. TO General Bah
cock was made Tor the purpose Of nuring President
Grant, whom ! had served as scout during
the war, and Tor whom | had strong regard these
men claimed 70 DO strong friends OF Bristow's saw
many kilograms that passed between Washington and
tho District attorney there and Others aud looked that
way believed that until another matter came up there
and then thought tho parties out there were acting
without authority and were perhaps, oyeranxous
came here found that was the wrong track and
dropped the case, and took measures aterward to
cause information 70 reach the President that thai idea
Q. That Babcock was not guilty. A That BabcOck
was guilty.
REWARD ron cAxDoR.
Q. You informed the President that Babcock was
guiIsys A. took measures 70 inform him that bc-
himself told me that il General Bsnccck was guilty
wished 10 know IL; he wished nothing concealed, and
he wished hlm punished TOOK the President a. h y
. Had you any conversation with General Bsoeoc1
In regard 10 tins mattery A. Frequently; probably
dozen times alter arrived here In December.
BABCoCK's ADMISSIONS.
~ IL AZ any umo Geuer1l babcock aomtttoo 10 you
that BIO was guilty please state its A. HIS admission
clear enough II they wanted me 10 get evidence
out OF the Office and destroy II was clear enough
q. Did he admit to you that he was gutyy A. told
him what Bradley asked me 70 do IN 81 Louis. and In
stoad OF dissenting he said that he did not wish me 10
get the evidence Of that ofco unless could get
The whole OF t that i'll got part Of would be worse
o. What had Bradley asked you 10 dor A. He had
asked TO get the evidence out OF the ONCE and
bring II TO the Lindell hotel
@ What was 10 BIO done with It theref A. De-
O. Was Colonel Luckey present when Bradley told you
10 do thats A. believe not believe this was in Brad
lcys room, No 1875 In the Linde Hotel tho PROPOSE
part OF November; went down with Bradley and
Luckey to the depot when Luckey went to takc tho
tram 20 so East and hc told me TO consult with Brad
10y that Bradley there In the interest Of General
Babcock, and this whole move was not against Bah
cock but against tho President and for to consult
with Bradley ana TO act with him.
And Bradley told you 10 got that evidence out OF
the District Attorneys Once and bring IL TO the Lin
dell Hotel to be destroyedf A. He did
= Did you attempt TO get its A. No, sir; did
NOT
Q why didn't your A. Well, l thought that was
going rather too fur in the matter.
Q You had told HIM oil you knew OF ~ A. Yes.
Y when you came back here you say you had .
conversation Win General Baococks A. Yes; ! met
produced memorandum OF the number or The house,
given him, he said, by Luckey) In that conversation
told him OF this proposal OF Bradeys he said he did
not want me 10 got y unless got the whole Of
IT. that part OF would DO worse than
none; the matter talked over between alter
wards and he remarked that n got II would DO well
rewarded; told him ! didn't ske 10 go INTO Il; I
also met his counsel, Mr. Storss; was at General
Babcock's house six seven times
WORD
O. What occurred there when his counsel pres
ents A. There was great deal Of talk; gave them
written report OF all that had seen aud heard 81
Louis; l have not copy Of the report; General
Babcock. | suppose has the report; l had gwen
them that repor previous this talk about getting
the evidence, and up 70 the time OF making that
report | still thought that tho matter
intended political move; but when
found oct that was wrong dropped It and went from
here New York the 18th OF January, and did not
return to Washington until about the Sth 9th Of
February; then TOOK the President at his word and
took measures send him Information that General
Babcock was guilty; should have stated that gavc
the thing up alter Mr.. Bradley lett ST. Louis, which
a night or Two after Mr. Luckey lett, and
Lexington. KY. from there wrote 10 Mr. Bradley
and asked him TO return my letter. and he did So
companied by the folio wing
wAsnrscrox. Dec. o, 1876.
G. s. hell. Esq.
Yours received to-day, and herewith returned
authorized TO mmc atcy. and