New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1876-04-01

returned. authorize rcquest you on I'M
ne%distely and to say yen Will be cared for
No G35 Est, Washing n.
1t was intended that should he APPOINTED special
agent IN the Attorney GENERALS office and sent to
St. Lonis 10 continue my work, and here ~ the Key
OF the cipher that was given TO me to communicate
Feb. ioJ ''''''''' - '
| O. Were you appointed in the Attorney Generals
| Officer a. was not but was TO he appointed,
| and | had card from the President to Attorney
General PicTepont similar TO the one had to Secrc-
| O. And the object of your going was TO get hold
of the testimony A. IL was 70 what was going
on had no intention of taking the testimony.
| O. Is this cypher in Luckeys handwritingf A.
| Most of it,
| O. Did you ever communicate with Luckey by
| means of this cyphcri y Z did not because was
| not appointed by the ,rney-Genera TO be sent
there.
BELLS INSTRUCT s ny GEN. GRANT.
O. Were you to be employed in the Dissatisfaction
ucy IS Office at st. Louis by Bradley Luckcy, and
Baboocb for any other purpose than to attempt to
prevent the conviction Of Babcockf A. That was
what they understood, lat the President did not
understand it that way a. all at least believe he
did not. lie said to me th1t Is wished me to see
what was going o. and il trarc was any attempt
made To Introduce forged ~ il.ge testimony, or any
prejudice against the defendant, that he wished to
know IT, and was TO make my reports to the Attor-
ney General and that, if Gen. Babcock was guilty,
he wanted him punished. That is what the Prcsi-
dent said from the start.
q. Did you tell the Attorney-Gencral that, in
your opinion, Babcock gutyf A. had not
arrived at that point at that time,
q. Did YOU at any time tell Inn thatl a. No,
did not
Q. Did You ever tell II to Luckeyi \. ! did not.
Q. Did you ever tell Bradley sol 4. 1t was not
necessary. They fully understood the case.
O. Do you mean by that that they knew he was
| ruiltvY \ / do not say that They. however,
thought there Were many documents IN existence
That il would BE- very difficult for him to explain.
O. Did You ever take any documents out OF the
Di,uict-Attorncys Office in st. Lous' ~ did on
one occasion-rcporis, notes, and memoranda IN
regard 10 the Avery matter-hut they were chirhy
/ matters that had been published before. | have
explained that all 10 the District Attorney, to ms
/ full satisfaction. / believe took ono tGI1Er IN
/ away from thcrc-a Telegram from ldiord W ilsoi-
but that has all been explained Ia Dstr, t-Attgrn'y
! Dyer: he understands the whole matter ana was
! perfectly satisfied with the explanation.
rIERREroNr AyERsT TO TIE ROBBERY.
O. Do You know a clerk OF Gen. Babcockf A. ]
do not know hi, name; know one by sight. rather
| a deaf man with spcctaclcs. never had any con
sultation with him about 1t. never mentioned our
business IN that ONCE al all. Tho Atorncy-Gcncral
seemed to be- aycrse 10 this arrangement, FROM th"
fact that he delayed my appointment from day to
day.
o. That is. inc was avcrse 20 your going ont there
10 play the spy ON Col. Dycri \. Yes he seemed -
! be-; / went directly from the White lIeus" To the
Attorney General with that card from the President,
and stated to him exactly what the President told
me- that if there was any innocent party To De prose-
cutcd he wished to know 1t. and that If
Babcock was guilty no wanted chin pun
/ ished; the Attorney Geucml SAID: Il in
tended {" commission you today nu an
/ official came 10 nv house last night VIII say
I ID tttg
sious.p understood thin 60 neau the secretary OF
! the Treasury ard ! pointed odto the Wlndn"
| where We were sitting toward Che Treasury DrI%I.
moni and said, &" II You have said any hing "a that
quarter there is no use in my going. Inc Att"f-
said. " IL j. not the Secretary, hut n Is
/ n lipll official" and said ne. under the cir'un-
stances it j. no for you 10 20 ont there aid
No. but YOU ought to have let lie ma that ont Ion
! q. You know then that the head Of the Treasury
/ Department would not have ppr"Ned 90 oul gong
ONT tier a. play the spy on Dls;nct-AttDrnry DYER
/ a. Most asauredly.
rik PRESIDENT, OBJECT INNOCENT.
O. When you got that card from the President
was it understood between you and him that the
purpose Of 1t was TO get you an appointment You
were 10 20 TO ST. Louis, and through the District
! Attorneys Office, and ~ ascertain whether there
was any evidence thay would show Babcocks
| guilt Was that the object of the President
| in sending you thcrci 4. The object, - ! under
stood it. was 10 ascertain whether there was any
/
guilty. and that il that was So the President wished
| to know il. and if hc was innocent and an attempt
was being made 10 make political capital out of IT.
or i'm other words to pcrsecte an innocent man, the
| President wished to know it, but he trusted in my
Judgment and was not TO report TO him, but to the
! Attorney General.
! col. DYER PUT on HIS GUARD
Twill state that Oh my arrival in ST. Louis on the
| night of the Eth Of February lad a consultation
with District Attorney Dyer at his house at which
/ there were present Mr.. Day, whom believe knew
in this city, and Mr. Eaton, assistant counsel eX-
/ planned all this matter 10 Col. Dyer as fully as
! have explained il 10 the Committee, and he under
! stood what was dong. He knew great deal Of
what was going on If which it is not necessary to
| state 10 the Committee
| O. You were employed on both sides then! a. No.
not at all.
O. What other persons employed by Bah
| cock Bradley and Luckcy in this same service y.
! | do not know of any other. wish The Committee
TO draw the distinction. if they WILL that a. long as
! I Lei;rynd Eabco, k innocent / was willing 10 help
| him, but rs soon rs believed him gully
q. You threw up the spOngef A. Yes.
q. Have they paid you any more since you lhieW
! ND the sponge A. No, Sir. ] have never met them
since. ! have understood that they desired To see
| me several times. =,
o. Did you ever have any communication at all
with the Secretary Of the Treasury about this mat
! teri A. No Sir; had some with BlulOrd wilson
! before | went to st. Louis
o. Were YOU careful 10 conceal your movements
from Secretary Bnst0wi A. AT the time ol the IN
ccton of the PLAN and until II arrived at the point
| ] have stated, was.
THREE COSsPIRATORs ONLY.
@ Was any other member of the Presidents
household implicated. save Gen. BabcocK? i. Gen.
Babcocll and Col. Luckey; / don't think Col.
Luckey had anything to do with the whisky mat