The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1876-02-18

Treasury; IL would throw them Off their guard and
we could then send special agents Of the Treasury
out TO these suspected diseries; we could send GOOD
men, such as one he m ntioned-Mr Brooks-he SAID
they could 60 out and not be known TO the distlers
and before they would be OF their WAYS would
be discovered, the proofs would be ali complete and
then thoy could seize their dsteries and them and
prosecute them; was convinced that his argument
was good and that IL the interest Of punishina
frauds that this order should be suspended that told
them should suspend Immediately without any
further consultation with anybody; gave the direc
ons for the suspension OF the order making the
fers; my recollection that the directions fol
the order card with pencil certainly before leave
ing my office that afternoon, and on that the orde
went to the Treasury signed by OF my secretaries
Counsel for the prosecution objects TO all CONVERSE
ton with Supervisor Tuition, and to the
the contents OF any written document
O. Did General Babc0ck In any way, directly on
indirectly, seem TO influence your action in references
TO that order?
Objected 10 by the prosecution as mmateria and r.
relevant
A. 1 do not think be ever did; / do not remember
INN ever speaking TO me about 1t or exhibiting any
Q. From anything that he ever said or did, did 20.
know whether he desired that the order should be 70
Same objection the previous question.
A That, think, is already fully answered
| = - CONDUCT or BABCocK INDICTMENT.
| mas General Babcock, so Tar you know or any
one or hln undertaken TO prevent full or any in.
vestgalion OF his alleged connection with what IS
where2
Objected by for prosecution as irrelevant
as calling Tor the Judgment OF the witness not for tha
acts OF the accused.
A. 10 my knowledge he has not; General Babcock
has complained very bitterly OF his treatment; after
the speech OF Mr. Henderson the Avery trial was de-
livered-
Prosecution objects to any statements made by the
accused witness.
@ Since his Indictment has any enor, been made, to
your knowledge, TO dismiss the indictment found
against him 10 noe prosequi or TO in any
way interfere with or prevent his trialr
Same objection as TO previous question.
Q Has General Babcock so far as you know, ever
used any effort with yourself or with any TO pre-
fha nnf of MD
pected Of completely with the Whiskey Ring at ST
LOUISE
Same objection as to the previous question.
O Since the finding of these indictments against
those persons has General Babcock, so far you
know exhibited any desire to interfere with
prevent the trial or exhibited any interest," any wish in
that direction2
Objected to by the prosecution as incompetent and
lmmaeral and calling for The judgment OF the wit
ness on the acts and conduct Of the accused.
A. Not to my knowledge
q At the time the court of inquiry called at
General Babcock's request IL not understood by
yourself aud, lar you know by him that in
dictments would be found against him. II so, why did
you so understapdY
Objected to as mmateral, irrelevant and incompe.
tent
A No indictment had been found against him.
supposed none would be- because understood from
the Attorney General that the Grand Jury. which
then in session, would adjourn in day two; that
the only course lett TO him then, apparently al
the time he made the request.
Counsel for prosecution objected to statements
formation derived from the Attorney General.
" II
that General Babcock could have no other way OF
dicating himselfP
Objected TO by the prosecution leading and in-
competent
A. | so understood.
Q. Was 1t called very after he Informed
that he could not be heard witness IN that case2
Objected to as immateral and irrelevant
A. | cannot say any further than his despatch TO
the District Attorney asking to be heard
A. DO you know whether he anxious TO ap-
pear witness in that case.
Objected to as immaleral and Irrelevant
A | say
District Attorney, asking TO be heard
O. Do you know whether he did send despatch
TO the District Attorney for the purpose OF being
witness in that case
Objected by counsel for the prosecution as inn
material and the despatch should be produced
A. | know he musl have done because saw
the which he Received from the District At
torney
Answer objected to the despatch of the District
Attorney should DO produced as tho best evidence.
O SO far YOU know what was the substance OF
the answer OF the District Attorney Mr. Dyer, TO tho
kilograms TO General Babcocks desiring TO appear
witness in the Avery caser
Objected TO by the counsel for the prosecution AZ
irrelevant mmateria and calling for secondary evil
dence.
A. He in substance informed him that there would
| be no more criminal prosecutions TILL think some
time in the following month; do not remember the
| date accurately.
@ And presume his desire could not be complied
with A. Il amounted to statement that his desire
could not be complied with.
Answer objected TO by the counsel for the prosecu-
ton for the same reasons as applied 10 the question
Q. Have you ever seen anything in the conduct Of
which indicated to your mind that he was any way
interested or connected with the Whiskey Ring at
Objected to by the counsel for the prosecution as i'm
MATERIAL incompetent and calling for the judgment of
the witness on the act Of the defendant
A. Never
O. In what manner, regards the public interests
and as evincing his fidelity and integrity has he per-
formed his duties AS your private secretary
Same objection as 10 the previous question
A. Always to my entire and full satisfaction
q Have In any form observed or learned ythng
in connection with General Babcock's conduct which
has tended diminish your confidence in his fidelity
and integrity aud Is that confidence In his fidelity and
integrity still unimpaired and uDdiminished?
Same objection as the next preceding question
A. | always had great confidence In his integrity and
his efficiency, and as yet my confidence in him
shaken; have learned anything that would
shake that confidence; Of course know Of this trial
that is progressing
cRossExAMrxATfor
by Mr. Eaton:-Q General, OF course you do not sup
pose, do you. that while General Babcock has been
your private secretary and In intimate and confidential
relations with you any one would voluntarily TO
you with statements injurious to his repuiatlonf
Objected to by counsel for defendant
A. do not know any such thing
O. Perhaps you aware General, that the Whiskey
Ring have persstently tried TO TX the origin OF that
Ring the necessity funds 10 carry the pohti-
cal campaigns Did you ever have any ntmaton
from General Babcock any else In any manner,
directly indirectly, that any funds for political pur-
poses we're being raised by any improper methodist
Question objected 10 by counsel Tor the defendant
A. | never did. l have these trials init
nations OF that sort In the newspapers, but never
before
o Then let mo ask you II the prosecuting officers
have not been entirely correct In repeing all nsnua-
that you had tolerated any such means for
raising fundsY
Objected 10 by counsel for defendant
A. | not aware that they attempted to repel any
insinuatons.
o. Speaking OF c W Ford. presume, General, that
your confidence In him continued up the Of bis
deathG
A. / never had suspicion that anything was wrong
O. Did you regard his knowledge OF men and affairs
in ST. Louis uustworthyg
A. | had as much confidence in him that way az any
man knew In ST. LOUIS
Q When did you cease TO reside In st. Louis Gen.
eral2
A. In MAY. 1860
O From 1860 down 10 the time Of Mr. Ford's death
Mr. Ford's residence also ST. Louis A. Yes,
q Did you have private correspondence with Mr..
Ford during the time he CollectorY
lObected to by counsel Tor the doiendantl