New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1876-02-18


n No von remctnber whether John A. Joyce was
recommended 10 YOU as Fords successor by Gen. Bah
cocki A. He not.
@ Was ANYTHING said to you by Gen. Babcock between
the time OF the death OF Ford and the appointment Vi
Constantine Mcguire touching Joyees fitness Tor tne
rlacei A. Babcock presented me dispatch tat he had
received from Joyce saying that he was an applicant or
maxim, appcatou for it; do not remember the word
ING Of IT, the substance OF 1t that he wanted to be
Fords successor; my reply to him was tha should DC
cded largely in selecting of Mr. Ford by the
accommodation Of his bonismen; he having died sud
denly. unexpectedly and away from home, thought
they were entitled to bo at least consulted to the sue
cessor who should settle up his accounts
O. Did you advise Gen Babeoek TO telegraph to Joyce
TO get the bondsmen OF Ford TO recommend Joyce Tor
Collector 4. made the statement in substance, that
have given In TO former question; whether
told him to do so by telegraph or not it would he pos
sble for say that might be regarded at least as
authority TO telegraph.
O. Did you any telegram Of that character from
Babcock to Joyce at that tmei A. do not remember
10 have seen any.
O. Did Geu Babcocc at that time show you n dispatch
from joyce in tn Sc words: st Louis oct p, 18Th
See dispatch to the President, We mean It, MUM
Signed Joyce.
A. don't think that my memory goes back to that
time since these prosecutions were commenced have
seen that
Q am asking you in regard to that timei A. do not
call II To memory.
O Did you receive protest against the appointment
of Constantine Mcguire. signed by James T. ieatInan
Robert Campbell. and othcrsl
fObiccted TO nv counsel for defcnlantl
A. do not remember such letter; il such ono was
received 1t il no donbt file the Treasury Depart
ment; such protest may have been r.ceiyed
@. Your purpose of leaving the nomination OF Mr.
FUds successor his bondsnen because they were
liable on his bond for the administration OF his Office
= ft.t. tiant aft
were men that | knew very well and had great ecni-
dcnce in.
M'DONAID rs DEFICIENT EDCCAllON.
O. Speaking of Fords objection Ia Mcdonald. were yon
aware thar M the matter o. education Mcponald when
he was appointed was an ignorant man, barely able to
write MS uamel
[Ohiccted to by counsel FOR defendant
A. was aware that he wa, not an educated man. hut
he was man mad great deal of the world an
Of people and would not call IN ignorant, exactly; he
was iicrate
O. DID YOU receive protest against McDonald's ap
pontmcnt signed nv Carl scurh. G.. A. Finklnc5uIs'
Il. T. Van lI'in and other men IN Missouri
lOblectcd to by counsel for defendantl
A. do not remember il. do not know that 1t would
have had any particular weight vlth me II had received
H. his indora culcutS being good.
Q. Was not that objection based on the ground Of hi
cntir, unfinrss for the ptce3 4 do not remember II
it was received 1t doubt matter Of record. and
can be obtained.
Q DID you ever SIC thr paper now shown youi II so.
state in whose handwriting II Is
lCounscl defendant objects TO any examination IN
regard to this Iapcrl
A. As 10 the h,udwr.tinc do not pretend 70 b. an eN
merit: have hal q great many letters from Mr.. Ford
tia; looks ike ais signature; do not remember ever to
have seen that before. and do not tinl ever I'D
O. Do YOU know tine other aiguatures to the paper.
No know al the parties bat do not know their six
natures.
rrhc paper referred to was marked Exhibit no G, and
Is app, ndci hclctol
O. DID lou see at about the time OF It's date ihe "i-
davit now shown YOU made by james MARI taken from
the flcs 81 Tie Treasury Department ( cpy Of which,
marked XLibit No. =, IL herewith aunNcdIi
fObjpctod to br dcicii liant, ooaH-c.l
A. If ever did that paper it has passed entirely
from my memory. and think II would hc Impossible
IN .uch document that could b. read by lur anl
not remember %.
O. Do you remember al this distance 81 time on "hoec
recommendation MI Joyce wss appon'cff
me B,BCoCX rrLrGE'Ns.
A. NJ rccolicc, "a Oct vi Mcdonald was appointed
pcrNS.r Dee asked the commissioner %. lrteiLal Rev
cnuc 10 give Linn assistant FROM his oilc'--"ne one
who Was acquainted with the dutcs THINK ih'ir Wa
no acluaiutaucc cN~u cat al between Joyce and Nc-
Donald az that time, that is my recoioci,u never Bat
b.ardo Jovce IN SELF aud dbl not u,v Of tr cX,-tc
Of such "A nan until NE appointed on thc Ioc"nneu
d,ton as | understood of the then Commissioner
who thought him bc the capable man in Die Office
did not remember about thee dispatches 40 40 uni
since the conspiracy trials have c"uimcnc'd' ! nav
heard cen Hahcock'- explanations OF most on al ol
them since that: many OF these dispatches may have
Docu shown at The time and explained bat q" moi
remember il.
Ignorant or rur SECRET CORR sfpNbrNcE.
O. Oh Won }nov n thc time that during tAc Fan a:
$50 subsequent To- yi-t 90 It. Lon- Gen. H'corf
corrc.onlod with John McDoni.d, after the latter wa-
indicted and -ot letters Mcdonald under cover e.
Major Z. r. Gfmc.'
[Obiected 10 by dcfcndants counsel
A. 40; / Wa, not awar 81 10 ~ Tho time.
O. Do you nos al the time thit Gen. Ba0cock 'eut
cipher dispatches 10 Major Luckoy al - Louis over L
own and over fictitious signature on the I'm or l~ui
of last Noycmpcrl A. do Ioi remember Is to rar!c"-
lar dates but $50 have Executive Mansion cipher 80
that when myself and secretaries are a'ptaicl DIS
patches can Ic sent without bong read by tho operate
we always have lad such cipher have no particular
kuovlol.,, hut knew in general way that thcy were
corresponding While Nj Luchcy there during tho
Avery trial he having gone there, n understood, "a
witness.
O. Did you see the dispatches before they were sent
A. I 90 not tllnk saw the dispatches.
O Have You any objections 10 stating the meaning
ia that cipher Of words only tie words liainl
and Bandagcl" 4. never keep the cipher ANA never
wrote cipher dispatch; never travel without haN ng
secretary with nc.
@ Yon do not know what th,.c words mean 7 A. I DO
not know; when | want to send dispatch in cipher
give it to my secretaries i'll the ordinary iorn' ana
lie transmits II.
O. ON or about Dec. . 1873, did Gen. Babc0ck how
you a dispatch from Joyce to himself in these words:
l. there any hitch in sending Ma ur|s name 4" the
scnac3 JOYCE.
A. cannot remember particularly; think however.
Gen BibcOcA did ash il theIe was any why
Maguires name snOuld not be sent have an ndsinct
| tiou of IA. ASKING IN In. auc.tiOu.
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