New-York tribune., 1876-04-07
WHAT THE ACCUSED MEN SAY.


WASHINGTON, April 6. - Attorney General
Pierrepont testified before Mr.. Clymer's Committee to-
day regard tho Babcock exposure. He said that IN
December last named c. S. Bell sent in his per
sona card TO his Office and subsequently called with
card from President This card Is lost mislad or
thrown into the waste basket 1t read something Ike
this: "Tbe bearer wishes to get employ yment.
think he might render valuable service" Mr.
Bell said he wanted employment in the Secret
Service. and as high wages IA were given IN
that service. He seemed to talk IN command
ing way The witness told him he would see the Pres
dent first in the Cabinet meeting next day. In the Cabi
net meeting he asked the President il he knew anything
about the man. The President answered that he had
either known or heard Of him during the war as scout
or detective and that he wanted appointment In
the Secret Service Mr.. Boil called the next day ana
aske, if he 10 be employed The Attorney General
questioned him 10 what services he had done hereto
fore. He answered he had been employed by the Dis
tricAtorney at 81. Louis because OF extraordinary
means be had of getting ut some papers In the pos
session OF Joyce be left ST. Louis because Col Dyer
had not the means nay. The Attorney General said
that as Col Dyer wrote or elegraphed that he
wanted TO employ him he would act promptly IN making
the appointment and preparing the instructions. MI
Bell came IN next day the day after and showed dis
patch he had sent to Col Dyer. to the effect that II the
Colonel would employ him the AttorneyGencral would
sanction it, There was an interval OF few days, during
which time Mr. Bell did not call; hut IN the mean time
the witness talked with the Secretary OF the Treas
ury and the Postmaster General. and found that his
record in these departments was very bad. He never
knew of Mr. Bells before he first presented his
card and has him ne refused TO give him
his appontment Neither Gen. Babcock Col Luckey
had spoken 10 him about Mr.. Bell The interview Of
which Mr Bell speaks in his testimony is entirely imaG
mary The Attorney General denied every part OF Bells
evidence referring TO him where it coniioted with this
statement
Mr.. BRADIEY's ADMISSIONS.
A. c. Bradley was sworn aud testified: on the ith
Of November Gen. Babcock said he had received teo-
gram telling him TO come TO ST. Louis, as his name hah
been mentioned in the Mcdonald case. Gen BaDcocK
asked me to go there his counsel and ascertain for him
all could in rotation the matter aud, If necessary send
for hin to come. went 20 St. Ions and In few days
after l got there / met Mr.. Luckey. About
THANKSGIVING Day Mr.. Luckey told me BE-
met Mr. Bell, who had been engaged OF
mad some relation with Averys matter, aud that he had
been engaged 20 Indanap s and secure the Hodge
dispatches He said that Mr. Bell said he had the run of
the DistrctAtorncys Office, and he either offered 10 20
there and steal all OF papers and have them copied or
remove them for the purpose Of destroying them MI
Luckey said the proposition was 50 astounding he
did not put much faith in him. Subsequently
Mr. Bell returned from Indianapolis and brought
copies OF the Hodge dispatches went "
Mr. Iuckeys room and Mr. Bell came In. Al
first he declined to say anything in my presence. Mr.
would talk at all. | made memorandum OF some OF
his statements. He said he not employed by Mr.
Dyer but that he solid with Col Dyer. because he
WIS working up n fraud perpetrated by the com
pauy; that he friend Of the President and that he
desired to serve him because he thought there was
a conspiracy TO drag him down: that there was
an influence conspiring, with Secretary Eristow at
the head OF 1t, TO supcnnduce the downfall Of the
President He said that during the Mcdonald trial Mi
BIistow to Col Dyer. demanding that the Wash
ngton papers he put IN evidence so FAR IA they related 10
Cen Babcock Col Dyer said he had head to lose. aud
he thought the thing ought to bc prolonged from month
to month until the time OF the Presidential
election, when it will act better; that he
heard Col Dyer SAY, " How will this set on
their bowels" Referring to the Bdbcock kilograms, he
said that he had heard Henderson say that he would
see II. y. Grant IN - before he would help him.
When Bell made these statements II seemed TO Inc per
haps there was some truth his statements. judging
from Bells statement that there was conspiracy
against Gen, Grant concluded to get as much nfoi-
ina, ION from him rs ! could | authorized Bell.
nor any one else, 10 bring any papers to my room
at the Linde Hotel, and destroy them. | asked
him TO get all the information he could as to the nature
of the evidence against Gen BabcOck and 10 get such
copies he could. when left ST. LOui, told him II he
unable TO get copies OF the evidence to send
me the substance. SO far Luckey Is
cerned he had nothing TO do with Bell. Before
left Washington Gen. Babcock authorized me
TO do ANYTHING which ile gal improppr whatever;
after returned to Washington received a letter from
Bell it concluded by asking it's return, God knows
there are enough papers In existence now" took
copy OF IT, and expected TO give II to the Committee to-
day, but I have not received it; the letter SAID
that the Disfict-Attorney, in order TO secure
the indictment of Babcook, using forged let
ters; also, that Dyer had been endcavoring TO
procure letters from Joyce Witness acknowl-
edged the Identity of letter written by him 10 Ben.
IN IA Wsg he
he cared for and continued Bell and did not
have much TO do with him afterwards he frequently
called TO borrow money, bat did not invest in that
way paid him IN ST. Louis go at time and $50 at
another; Gen. Babcoch know nothing Of Bell until
returned tO Washington
q. You say you did ask him to get copies OF papers
from District-AtOrney Dyer's object A. did; he said
they were laying around loose and that he could get
copies easy.
LNcKHY's DEALINGS WITH BELL.
Levi T. Luckey testified that he in St. Louis during
the latter part Of November witness IN the Avery
trial was by the President In the interest
Of Babcock while there Bell called upon witness and re-
lated in substance about what is embodied In his ALL
tween Dyer's Office and official In Washington
To njure the Administration for political
effect that he felt he could witness because he
Secretary Of the President but that he could not trust
any one else. Tho witness told Mr.. Bell he might
come TO him time, and tell him OF anything fur
ther that no learned Mr. Avery informed the witness
that Bell had gone for him. to Indianapolis. 10
the kilograms Of Hodge, under tae assumed nsms OF