The weekly clarion. [volume] (Jackson, Miss.) 1863-1882, 1876-03-15
The Weekly Clarion.
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WEDNESDAY, MARCH 10, 1876.
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Q. What was that trade
A. Well, when he saw those dispositions,
he said: :" will undertake the thing again
for 81, $50.
q. When was it he got from you the
check for 81 ,250.
A. / don't know
@. Did he have your check for 81 $50 the
day you went down in the buggy to him
A. No; had it back.
@. Well, that day you rode down with
Gibbs?
A. gave him that check again.
@. On that day you became satisfied with
the pardon, you delivered the check for
81, $50 to Col. Gibbs; is that what you
said
A Yes sir
q. When you were with Col. Matthew'S
and you asked him about the validity of the
pardon, did he not tell you you must deter
mine that question for yourself?
A He said he knew nothing about it
should have to Judge for myself.
@. Did you appeal to him a lawyer to
say whether it was valid or not2
A He said | had to judge for myself.
1.-THE witness was then turned over to the
Senate for examination.
@. by Senator Barry. Was there any
thews? If 50, state the condition. Was
there any condition with regard to the re-
turn of the money?
A. None.
@ Did you see Col. Matthews at time
before you received the pardon, whca you
say he sent for you, and did you then de-
mand Of him that he should pay you back
81 $50 which you had paid him? If you
answer that you did, state the time, place
and circumstance?
A. l did. | cannot state the time ex-
actly; he gave me a check for the money
that is about all | know.
TThe Senator arose and demanded that
witness answer the question fully. lie had
stated that was /" 0b0ut all know"
The Chair decided that the question had
been answered.
And the Senator appealed from the de
cision of the chair
Senator Reynolds stated there could be
no appeal from the decision of the chair,
which was the decision Of the Court unless
the question was put to a vote.
The Chair put the question, shall the
Chair be sustained in its present decision,
and the decision was Oyerruled.
The Secretary read the question second
time and after some pause, the witness an
sWered;
A. could not state the time 1t was in
his office He said he had this check put
to his wife's credit. l just said to Col
Matthews that his wife might die, or
might die and he might die, and his wife
did not know me from haystack.
By Senator Barry-WhO procured these
affidavits or dispositions? Was anything
paid for them? If 50, who paid it?
A. A. young man named Baldwin pro
cured these afiidavits. paid for them.
By Senator Barry-Are you related to the
persons, in any way, who made the aflida
Wits? If so, state how.
A. Not at all.
By Senator Fewell-Did you not have
some angry words with Col. Matthews, and
did you not fasten the door and say Col
Matthews could not leave the room until he
paid you over the money?
A. Has that got anything to do with the
Senate?
Mr. Spears objected, and the Chair sub
mitted the question to the Senate, who de
cided that witness should answer the inter
rogatory.
Witness refused to answer the question.
Mr.. Spears arose and stated that this
question could not possibly throw any light
on this matter.
Senator Fewell-The gentleman is out Of
order; the Senate has ordered the question
to be answered
The Chair asked witness if he refused to
answer the question of Senator Jewell.
Witness / think L sad we would not
both get out of there healthy until got
that check back.
The Chair insisted that the question had
not been fully answered.
Witness: | did not fasten the door; | did
not say he could not leave; / said we would
not both get out of there healthy.
BY Senator Furlong-How did you obtain
the check from Col. Matthews? Did you
not Tia reaten acts of violence if he refused
TO deliver the check to you?
A. No. sir; | went to the bank and drew
the money out.
BY Senator Morgan-What did Matthews
say when you told him his wife did nto
know you from a haystack? State fully.
A. He said she was very nice lady, and
told him | expected she was.
By Senator Morgan-Was Matthews your
regular attorney-that is. you in the
habit of employing him
A. l had him once before. | have been
in the habit of employing them all, some
times one and sometimes another
@. Had he conducted suits for you or
against you prior 10 this employment to
procure pardon?
A. Against me.
W. f. GIBBS RECALLED.