New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1876-04-01

q. What was your saaryi A. Twelve hundred
on the office on the 9TH of January last The list OF
cases was sent to me at st. Louis to be worked up,
In cross-examination by Mr. Danford the witness
stated that the reason he did not go to the President
and tell him that Secretary Belknap had proposed
TO him to pay for post-tradership, was that the
Secretary of War weighed somewhat more than he
did, and he did not think would do to attack him.
LUCKEY SENDS HIM TO ST. LOUIS.
Mr.. Clyper-Under that appointment were you
interested in the Babcock in st. Louis A. No,
was not.
Q. Were you sent out there to take any part in it
A. No, Sir, not under this appointment.
| Q. Under any appointment A. No, Sir.
Q. Were you never employed in any way in con-
nection with that case! A. Not by the Govern
ment.
Q. BY whom, then-Gen. Babcocki A. Ihestat
ingy No, cannot say that was.
Q. BY his cOunsell A. No, Sir.
Q. BY anybody for hmi A. BY some one acting
for him-I suppose acting for him; they said they
we're was employed in November
Q. What services were You to render under that
employment A. After pauscl would like lit
tie time to reflect upon that matter, so rs to put i'll
shape.
| Q. only want the truth. 1t is not very hard TO
! tell thats A. do not know rs that has anything TO
do with this
| @. We will determine that after we hear it. Ionly
want TO Know who employed youi ~ in regard to
those ST. Louis whisky mattersf
Q. Yes. Gen. Baboock is an officer OF the army
and propose TO inquire about him now. A. Well,
was employed Ivy Mr.. Luckey the Private Secretary
of the President. ~ , ~
make il as brief possible, was 70 look int" me
hands of the Distrct-Attorney there Col. Dyer and
see what evidence there was against Cen Babcock.
Q. You were sent by Dr. LucAcy, tben to go out
there and iuuulTe what there was against Ten.
| Babcockl A. was there at the time. . go
Q. Did Mr.. Luckey write TO your A. No, SIT;
O. How were You to do itl A. was simply to
visit the DistrictAttorney office, rs hal tie run
of the Office there, and what evidence there was
O. Did YOU 20 there and get hold of III A. did.
q. With the consent Of the DlstnctAttorney A.
q. Yon got If surrepttiously thcn' A. l did.
q. Did you furnish what you got to Col Luckcyi
\. did, that was in November at the Lndeh
O. Was there any other person connected with
Col Luckey tnat you kH9T OH A. t Ss s1id bn
was acting as one Of the counsel for Gen. Babcock.
THE spy ~ col. DYLRs OFFICE.
O. What information did You furnish Luckcyi a.
told him that The evidence against Gen. Babcock
at that time was weak. did not give nm copies Of
any papers.
Q. Had you read the evidence against Babcock
that was in tn, Distnct-Attorncy's Officer a. Ola
no; only knew from what heard IN the Office, and
| what Col. Dyer Dllircil lold nv
Q. Did Col. Dyer know that you were the agent of
Luckey? 4. No. Sn moi al that time. sub
| seuucntly he did.
.. Did You look over the papers in that Office
Q. Did You read them all A. read good many
O. Where did you got the papers in the Office
4. On the ab!a aud in The drawers.
Q. Was that the secret service that Col. Luckcy
told you 70 render him? 4. II Was.
HIS EYES ARE orESED.
O. He told you to 20 there and 6nd--' A. To
go and Gnd ont al / could; wish 30 state that At
that time ! believed from the conversations heard
in the District Attorneys Office and among many IN
uential men outside that this attempt to implicatc
Gen. Babcock was made for the purpose Of injurng
President Grant, whom | had served As n scout
during the war and for whom had a strong regard;
these men claimed to be strong friends of Bristow
saw many kilograms that passed between Wash
ington and the District-Attorney there and others
and 1t looked that way; believed that until
another matter came up there, and then thought
the pa rites out there acting without horiy,
and perhaps were over anxious, ana believed u
until came to Nashington when came mere J
found that wGs on the wrong track and dfopprd
the case, and ! took measures 0itctWdld 10 cause
informal ion To reach the President that the idea was
wrong.
HE TELLS TIE PRESIDENT BABcocK IS GUILTY.
O. That Babcock was not guiityi A. That be was
guilty.
O. You informed the President that Babcocl was
guiltyi A. | took measures 10 inform him that be-
leved he was guilty; did il because the President
himself told me that if Gen. Babcock was guilty lac
wished to know il he wished nothing concealed,
and he wished him punished | took the President at
his word and informed him of it, aud got my DIS
missa in three days aiterwaId
! q. Had you any conversation with Gen. Babcock
IN regard 10 this matteri A. Frequently; probably
a dozen times after arrived here IN December
| o. II nj any time Gen. BabcOck admitted 20 you
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| sion was clear enough. II they wanted me 10 get
! evidence out of the Office and destroy IT, 1t was
| clear enough. oil,
told him what Bradley asked me TO do IN st. lonis.
and instead Of dissenting he said that he did 1T
wish ne to get the evidence out Of that Office unlss
/ could get the whole Of il; that If got part OF 1t,
ii would be worse than none.
ASKED TO STEAL THE BABCoCK EVIDENCE.
Q. What had Bradley asked you to dos A. He
had asked me to get the evidence out Of the Office
and bring il to the Lindell Hotel.
@. What was to be done with it there ? a. Destroy
! it,
O. Was Col. Luckoy present when Bradley told
yon to do that7 A. believe not. ! believe this
was in Bradleys room, No 1G5 in the Lindell Hotel.
The proposition was made after Luckey came East
in the latter part Of November. ! vent down with
Bradley and Luckey 70 the depot when Lucky went
TO take the train to go East, and he told me to con-
suit with Bradley that Bradley there in the in-
tcrest of Cen Babcock and this whole move was not
against Babcock but against tho President and for
! me 10 consult with Bradley, and to act with him.
O. Aud Bradley told you to get that evidence out
of the Distict-Attorneys Office and bring it to the
Lindel Hotel TO be destroyedf A. lie did
Q. Did you attempt to get it A. No, Sir; did