The Daily clarion. [volume] (Jackson, Miss.) 1866-1888, 1876-03-07
OFFICIAL.
II II. Il a l.
OF
X. Wis
Lieut.. Governor of Mississippi.
[oFFICIAL.J
CONTINUED.
THE TESTIMONY.

Gibbs. and asked him if he had been prop
erly sworn, to which witness replied:
have.
Manager Barksdale continued the eXami-
Question. Are you acquainted with AL
exander X. Davis?
Answer. | am, sir.
Q. How long have you known him?
a. Some eight or nine years.
O. You were then acquainted with him
last year?
A. Yes, sir.
O. Were you in Lowndes county any time
last year?
A. Yes, sir; about the spring of the
year.
Q. In the spring; have you any means OF
fixing the date?
A. Yes, sir; was there on the 22d Of
May.
Q. Did you have any conversation with,
or hear any body have any conversation
with the Lieut.-Governor at that time re-
speeding the pardon of Thomas III. Barren
tine?
A. did, sir.
State to the Court the place where the
conversation was held and what the CONVEX
sation was when Davis was present; L do
not ask for anything whilst Davis was alb
sent
A. had conversation with Lieut.-Gov-
ernOr Davis in Col. Matthews office. on
Sunday, May %, 1875, at which Col. Mat
thews was present.
q. Did you see him or have any CONVERSE
ton with him on Saturday?
A. | did not, sir
@. On Sunday. May 23d, you mad a con-
versatiOn with him
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Aud that conversation had reference
to the pardon?
A. Yes, sir.
State the conversation.
A. can only give it to you in substance:
Col. Matthews asked Governor Davis why
that pardon was not signed by Governor
Ames. Governor Davis replied that Gov
ernOr Ames was hurrying to his home in
Bay st. Louis; that Governor Ames would
sign it if it was thought necessary, but that
Governor Ames knew that he Davis
would sign it, and had authorized him to
sign it--something to that effect. l think
they were the words he said that Governor
Ames had gone off in hurry and author
lied MIN to sign it.
q. Is that the whole OF the conversation.
so far as you recollect it?
A. | will try and recOllect the manner in
which it was used. There was a kind of
running conversation. | remarked myself
hat the pardon there was not acceptable
| o my friend Barrentine.
q. Was the pardon present when that
conversation was going on?
A. No, sir. Because Mr.. Barrentine had
gone home the previous evening with the
pardon in his pocket. | remarked to Gov
Davis that the pardon was not satisfactory
because it was not valid one; and Gov.
Davis remarked: Does he want Gov. Ame's
| signature? | said, yes; he wants an Exec
| utive pardon. Very well, said he, Gov.
| Ames will sign it. All right, said L, that is
what he wants. He wants one where there
is no doubt about the validity. l cannot re-
collect exactly how it came up, but [ am
positively certain that Gov. Davis said that
Mr.. Packer had done some service and
| would charge for it. That is how l think
Packers name came to be mentioned.
@. Was that pardon that you had seen and
handled, the same as the one undergoing
discussion?
A. es. sir.
Q. Do you recollect anything about the
date of the pardon?
A. Yes; [ think the date was about Nav
21st.
q. Did you examine it?
A. Yes, sir; the reason think it was the
2lst May, by reason of some kilograms |
had seen on the Saturday night.
y. who in that place first raised an OBJ
lection to the validity of that pardon?
A. Which one do you allude to?
=. The one on Sunday morning.
A. did.
Q. Who did you make your objection to !?
A. Gov, Davis.
[Senator Chalmers here arose and stated
that he saw wltnt sses in the room, and the
| matter was explained by the Chairman, who
stated that both witnesses, Mr.. Meeks and
MIR. Richards, had received permission to
stay in the Senate Chamber.1
q. What hour on Sunday morning did
that conversation take place?
A. L do not recollect precisely: it was in
the forenoon, little while after breakfast:
L presume about O'clock
Q. At Col. Matthews office?
A. Yes, sir.
y. state how the meeting took place did
you find them there?
A. | found them there Sunday morning.
Mr.. Barrentlne took the pardon, and stated
that he would risk it; he handed me a GER
tilted check for $780, and went home about
O'Clock at night Invent to Col. Matthews
Manager-Hold on; [ do not want any
conversation in which Lieutenant- Governor
Davis was absent; L ask you in regard TO
who got there first
A. They were at Col. Matthew's office
when | got there.
.. Did you expect to meet the Lieuten-
A. Yes, sir.
=. Had you an engagement?
A es, SIT. very early on Sunday morn
ing, little after breakfast, l went down to
MS mouse; do not recollect all told him,
put toid MN the pardon was not accert t.
aoie. l toid MN they entertained doubts
as 10 whether or not he was the Governor.
ana whether or not he had a right to sion
the pardon. He told me he wonld meet me-
at Col. Matthew's office. 0' '''o
o. Then it was in pursuance of that.
that you met him at Col, Matthew's of,
A. Yes, sir.
y. You say that certified check had
Deen given by Barrentine for Sl25O?
A. Yes, sir
=. Did you get the money on that
A. did, sir.
y Ieil the court what yon did with it +?
a. deposited $500 90 with Mr.. Jerry
DoWsing reimbursed myself 500 90. and
the other $3.50 90 turned over to Col Mat
thews on the oath of Nav. -'i"'
Y. where ADD when did Lieutenant
governor Davis get from you that $500 90
e. "a. oh sunday morning at Col. Matthew's