The New York herald., 1876-10-14
MACDONALD, THE ENGLISH RADICAL.
4 sAx yRASCrsco ExrogrER INTERVIEWS HIM
WHAT HE HAS TO SAT- OF KNGLIsH WORKING
MEx-rHI BULGARIAN oUrRAGxs-rRAD1
UNIONS AND MOLLY MAouIREs


From the San Francisco Post
Alexander Macdonald member OF the British Parlia-
ment for the borough OF Stafford, England. now STOP
ping a. the Lick House, Is ordinary man In the
great struggle between capital and labor from his
earliest youth he took the side OF the masses from
whom he sprang. mere child, he commenced the
struggle for existence in Lancashire coliery nearly
half century ago, when the collier was AZ very
slave " II bad been saie to him. az in the
old time 70 Ham, "A slave and servant shalt
thou be-" when not only he aave, but
his wifs . slave, and his male child and
his female child slaves, and black and beyrimed
with coal-dus, while ycs inians He has lived TO
all this changed; 10 SEQ the collier we'll paid and
cared for his wife reega.ed 10 tho sphere womany
duties, and HIS child released from bondage
than Egyptian. From this glorious victory
didness, ignorance and wrong Mr.. Macdonalds namc
10 tnseparabla Nor have his labors been confined to
the miners, among whom he was born. They
tended and embraced all workngnen As President
OF the National Association Of Coal Miners, Presi
dent OF the Parliamentary section OF tho Trade Union
Congress- and the workngnens choice for Stafford,
he has been tho friend OF the miners, among
whom he worked, and tho ranks Of labor he proud
TO represent
TALK MACDONALD.
Feeling that the views OF such the current
topics the day could be OF public Interest,"
Post representative called on Mr. Macdonald at his
rooms the other day and was warmly received By that
gentleman. Mr. Macdonald unfortunately sustained
a severe accident by being thrown from his carriage
at 81. Louis, which has confined him to his rooms
since his arrival He is a gentleman little over
nty with hair "a sable svcrcd, Is tall and possessed
OF n lno physique His forehead is high and broad,
ana In the pcrceptvo region very prominent. HIS
address is pleasing, and be is wonderfully ready and
lovi nker In .y IN fc lmi n
tons he SAID that hc wishod 10 correct ms
apprehension. He was tho representative or
the miners In Parliament II no represented any
class OF workngmen II would be The shoe-
makers, who are quite numerous IN Stafford. the
borough for which he was returned Tho rue facts
OF the simply thcse:--s.rho workingm-n OF
Stafford applied 10 The trades union nominate
somc one who. II elected. would represent their in
ierosis, and my name with those OF vc or six others
was given was selected from the number and stood
US candidate in the worklngmcns in,erests"
TRADE UNioSisM
"From your experience, Mr. Macdonald, do you
think trade unions have objected mech real good or
the working c!asses ~
Il do NOT think it, know It, Whom l was a child
at home IN scotland there was labor organization
whatever among miners aud they all lived in ate
OF seridom. Almost from the Il child came
into the world II had 10 commence to labor-boys ana
girls a. I'VE and SIX years Of age 4 went 70 work
myself at eight years OF agcl until The growth both OF
mind ana bo iy were stunted Tho women had to neg
ect every molhery duty and slave nkc horses, Tor
existence would bo impossible What has organization
accomplished IN this aloncs Boys be employed
uncer Twelve years 81 age. and II is Illegal 10 use
~omsn az beasts OF burden In wages aud material
comfort, capital In the Commons ana IN the Lords
fought against labor nj every STEP II was sad II you
shorten the OF labor you Will production.
II you wii not allow US 10 employ women and chill
dren. you will take away from tho poor widow her
means Of living This the idea Of philanthropy
possessed by tho capitalists. They killed tho inhcr
anu made tho child an orphan. and then wanted 10
mako slaves OF both mother aud children. But produc
ton nas not decreased In Scotland alone 1t In
creased from 30, 600 600 tho beginning OF the
century to 100 900 600 IN 1874. The dear widows and
orphans ara fewer in number and betcr cared for by
organized labor than they we're leis at tho mercy Of
'.wnat is the fundamental principle Of trade union
ismf'
coal any other commodity increases In price tho
wages OF producers should increase also or tho
simple reason that when prices are low II always de-
creascs. THIS certainly is not TOO much TO ask. and
| this principle We have IN q measure established.
! TRADE UNIONS FIGHT CAPITAL
with capital, and tho whole body of wOrkngmcn tax
themselves to support those who been compelled
TO strike. The trade union does not favor strikes.
On the contrary, IL Is always anxious to submit the
rival claims OF master and workman to arbitration
wnercas the Old time capital would laugh at such
parties and aodss by their decision. In word, ,he
has ovcrthrowD the doctrine that man has
rign,s which capitals bound to rcspect-that capital
| THE MOLLY MAGuIREs.
~ suppose you nave VISITED tho coal districts OF
Pcnnsy wanna r0nfe. Mr. Nacdolaidf'
/ No; have not been 10 the Centennial, al.
though purpose making q flying visit before my rc
turn"
n was anxious to have your opinions tho dis
/ turbances thcre?"
| swell may tell you this much that thcre is no
earthly connection between tn~ Molly MagaIres aud
traao unionsm. The ou,rages attribute In number
OF cases TO personal malice. We have had our own
outragcs in England, and an attempt was made TO
fasIcn the blame OF them trade uniouism, but Il
utterly failed II Franklin b. Gowcn, who heads tho
coni combination in the hight OF capital against labor
could prove that there any connection between the
Molly Maguirc outragcs and the organized miners with
John Sinry at their head, he would have cone so.
But ho could not prove that which bad no exist
cnco
"rhe New York Graphsc recently stated that John
Siney had disappeared IRON The leadership OF the
miners
tine Graphic is wrong He has not disappeared,
nor do think 1t likely that he will disappear" !"
THE BULGARIAN oUrRA6Es
"Mr Macdonald, what do you think tho effect OF
Turkeys conduct IN Bulgaria and Serva Is likoy TO
have on ths British peoplcy"
.'ihc effect been, II may judge by the papers,
to arouse storm OF indignation against the govern
mcnt, aud II would not surprise mo u sutumn
sion OF Pariiamcat was called. l prrposcd making
tour through Arizona, Tor the purpose OF collecting
Information its atir ictions held Tor inn
tion but Will havo to abandon the iuca, as would
like 10 be in my scat u nm autumn session IS called"
''Do you think that vote OF confidence IN the gov
eminent would be likely 10 pass IN view Of the present
indgnatonf"
III is not at all likely. When the news Of those
outrages which are disgrace to humanity, 10 the age
| VIC and 10 any government that would bolster
UP Tho power that pcrpcuates them reached England
tho government denied Mr.. Schuyers account Of
those nendsn atrocities and Macahan's letters TO tho
Dniy Neios accurate and asserted That tho out
ragcs lew In number and oil the ordinary char
actcr nseparnbo from warfare, whereas woaave rea-
10 suspect tnat the Ministers were well aware al
the time that tho published accounts wcro true In
every particular and that language could paint tho
horrors o wagcd on the Buigarians.n
Hobart Pachs, in his letter 10 Tho iuH NoN Gdscte,
said that there outragcs the part OF tho Bull
garians as airoci0us as those oil the Turksy"
II do not believe this Hobart Pncha is Turkish
admiral. II he is English man. and IN any case
Two blacks never make white. II Is per cot dis
grace 10 us TO support Turgcy.'
DIPLOMACY ENGLAND.
LAS / understand u England supports Turkey in
order 10 prsycnt Russia nom becoming power IN
Europe, which might eventually weaken her own In
tcrestsn
II do not think England has anything TO fear from
Russia RUSSIA very large country, but u ~ very
poor Its credit is not great aud It's revenues
rot expansive The people. however, will not and
should look at tho Turkish question in tho light Of
expcdency IL would be better Tor humanity II Turkey
hada mot hoid in