The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1876-06-08
NEW YORK HERALD THURSDAY JUNE s. ls7s.-TRIPLE sHEE



Mr. Knott-Yes sir.
Mr. Blanchard II does not seem to have occurred
to you a. either Of those mee'ingsto say anything
Mr. Knott will explain that In the first meeting
We were engaged In general business In the second
meeting we were engaged rom the time me comm.sse
ton presented to In reference 10 the letters that
you had obtained from Muhgan.
Mr. Blanc-Did you recoIiuct then that you had this
telegram
Mr. Knott-I do not know whether il occurred to me
not, and do not know that should have brought
up the question that timc II had occurred to me-
Mr.. Biane--Is Il not probable that II you did not
rccoliect when was quite fresh you would probably
have forgotten II afterwardy
Mr.. Knott-No. sir; think not
Mr.. Blaine-When II fresh you forgot IT, but
you think that after II got old you would nave reco
eccd IT. DO understand you correct In thats merely
want 10 wind by having the world know that on the
Mr. jerks Mr.. McMahon and Mr.. Hunton. Of the
House OF Representatives. all knew Of H. Mr. Law
renee, OF this sub committee believe, knew nothing
of IT,
MIR. Lawrence-I heard nothing OF Ii.
Mr.. Ashe ITO Mr. B aIne-l informed you this morn
ing hat had heard nothing Of It before heard II IN
the House <
Mr.. Blaine--l have no. mentioned your name
| who had heard i
Mr.. Knott gave ii as my impression that those
-four gentlemen whom FIRST named, were present
when read the despatch. am confident that
Ii that the others all present. too, when read u
out without any reservation whatever In the room Of
Mr.. Baine-Can you tell me what processes or steps
waiting on 70 publish the despatch Or give Il 10
Mr. Knott am going to give the despatch to the
House through the regular channe-that IS. through
the Judiciary Committee.
Mr.. Blainc-you had meeting OF this committee, I
think. yesterdays
Mr.. Knott-Yes, sir. 4.
Mr.. Baine--Did you bring that subject upY
Mr.. Knott referred the matter Of your resolution
TO the subcommittee ! suppose wo shall take our
own way Of transactng our own business
= INV in n
public AZ 10 when you expect TO produce that des-
patch
transact business in my way. SO tar as am con-
cerneu the public has had the substance of that des
aaa hea sa. Mr. csaxe
that DESPATCH stated that he would send an AFFIDAVIT
If necessary.
Mr. Blaine hat approaches TO something like tost
mony. You said thar that despatch was no testimony
to send affidavit
Mr.. Knott-To send an AFFIDAVIT If 1t were required
or II IL were necessary.
Mr.. Baine-That looked good deal like man who
was ready TO give testimony
Mr.. Knou--it looked to me good deal In this way,
that II had sent 70 man In London asking him 10
send over despatch exculpatlng me would probably
mako that very suggestion, and II he were an inte
gent man he must have known that an e1 pdrfe am
davt made In London could not be received as evidence
at all
Mr.. Blaine-Do you mean to imply by that that you
have evidence OF the character that have
Josiah Caldwell?
Mr.. Knott have never said that you had
MI Biaine-iour intimaton just now meant that
or II meant nothing
Mr.. Knott--weli suppose it did.
Mr.. Baine-I want you to state whether you have
the slightest evidence OF it, although have heard you
have been rummaging the telegraph Offices through
the country for such evidence.
Mr.. Knott-Then you have heard ie-that rs what
you have heard.
but want this TO be understood, whether you have
the slightest evidence that have had IN any manner
whatever any communication with Josiah CaldweilY
Mr. Knott have no evidence OF it aud never have
pretended that had any.
Mr.. Huxrox's BRIEF STATEMENT
Mr.. Hunon--L desire TO make brief statement in
regard TO the efforts TO find Josiah Caldwell went to
Mr. Knott day or two alter that order Of the Judiciary
Committee to telegraph 10 Caldwell was made and
asked him II he had sent the telegram. He said
no., that he had not been able to ind Cald-
wells address He asked me-. 10 assist
.aldwel's address to telegraph to him IN
his namc. Ny first step believe was Il am not GER
and give him written memorandum directing him to
find out from Arkansas people or IRON any other source
the address o. Caldwell asked several other gen.
emen to assist in that work, and myself around
to several persons and asked II they could inform
Of Cadwcls address From the moment that went
70 Mr.. Knott to know whether the telegram had been
sent have been diligently, and have reason to be-
eve that several other gentlemen, at my instance,
have been diligently employed in seeking to get this
has stated correctly that after the refer
ence Of the Luttrell resolution 20 the Judi
ciary Committee and after L notified
thai be chairman OF that subcommittee the
abors OF the Judiciary Committee have been OF su III
character that 1t was impossible for to address
selves to tho Luttrcll resolution was nrst engaged
on tho investigation oil tue Texas Pacific Railroad Com
pany. Mr.. Lawrence was that ub-committce. This
kept us many weeks Not long after and before that
investigation was closed becaue 1t never has been
formally closed this BeIknap matter camo up, aud
was made chairman OF the subcommittee nvesii.
gate that aud TO prepare the articles OF impeachment
and TO ascertain whether the evidence the articles
could be sustained. II long after that commit
this resolution on the 24th Of April, certainly before
Tarbox resolution was introduced and before any
thing had been said about mr. Blaine, witness was
summoned to the city OF Washington TO bc examined
under the Luttrell resolution.
BY Mr. Baine-By whom was the witness sum-
moncd?
Mr.. Hunton-He summoned by myself, in my
Mr.. Blaine-That is a point on which, think, you
are error vase
Mr. Hunton--It is possible; but think am not.
Mr.. Blame think that that witness summoned
by Mr. Knott.
Mr.. Hunton--To what witness do you refers
Mr.. Blanc-ro Ar Ham. .te
Mr.. Hnnton-l refer to a.diacrent witness.
Mr.. Blaine-Who.is hcy
Mr. Hunton-Mr. spencer. According to the stub
OF this book, from the oil the Sergeant-at Arms
he here the 2ith OF April
Mr.. Biaine-Beforc whom did he appear!
Mr.. Hunton--Bciore mo.
Mr.. Blalne-Did Mr. Lawrence have anything to do
with il on the 24,h OF ApriS
Mr.. Hunton-No, sir
Mr.. B!aine-fhen you fail to connect that committee
at all with II That committee not appointed until
the I'D oil May. .....M..4teN4
Mr.. Hunton--i think If you will wait awhile you will
see the connection. was Informed by u gentleman
who had made an investigation ia tho case OF lost
bonds OF the Union Pacific railroad Company that Mr..
Spence knew than body else about these lost
bonds and that he had in his possession memoranda,
&c. which would guide the committee search for
tue lost bonds Hence It was that Mr. Spence
summoned hero nrst, SO that 1 might see the
memoranda and prepare for the examination.
la the meantime WAS reading-as well could In
the multiplicity of my engage,neuts--thc proceedings
OF the Credit Mobicr investigation how far that
committee had gone into this question Of lost bonds Of
the Union Pacific Railroad Company
MT. Blaine 10 Mr.. Ashel-Were you present whom
Mr.. Spence was examinedy
Mr. Ashc--Spcnce never examined