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because they do no, bind either party to the agree

because they do not bind either party TO the agree
ment
houses 10 the JOINT rules showed that when any
proposition by ono Houseto amend them failed In the
other House the rules continued 10 be recognized ac-
ccpted and acted under as il they full force.
Mr KAssox-That only shows that the House pro-
posing amendment consented that the rules should
60 on without amendment
The srrAKKK-The cnair thinks that that which
takes two bodies TO do taxes two bodies 10 undo IL Is
Mr. SpKIxGEg-The Joint rules were adopted in the
form Of a concurrent resolution and concurrent
resolution cannot be repealed by one body without the
consent OF the other.
Mr.. HoAK--Does the gentleman say that rule
adopted by a concurrent resolution at the beginning
OF the government binds successive Houses forever.
until the Senate abandons itf
Mr.. srRIxohR-Unt both houses abandon it, DO
certainly. The gentleman from Massachusetts, him.
sef vhen tho Presidential votes OF 1873 being
counted objected TO votes being cast for Horace Gree
ley because ho dead, and his objection was based
on the twenty second joint rule which never had
been readopted since It's adoption In 1865.
Mr.. HoAR-Both houses were acting under Il BY
consent
validity ut all except tina. given TO it'n 1865.
Mr. HosKixs lrep OF n. Y.--If the gentleman from
Illinois holds that these joint rules cannot be abro
gated except by consent OF the Two houses, would
ike to inquire by what law or authority laftor the Sem
has repealed and refused TO recognize thsn)
House any other body can enforce thcms
Mr.. SPRiSGER--We cannot compel the senate 10
ABIDE by It's own rules. That body is claw unto
SELF but our part abide by tEoso rules and
We choose TO do IL Applansc on tue democratic
side.)
Mr. McCnARY remarked that Speaker Kerr decided
at the beginning u ast session that each House has
under the constitution. the absolute rip the
rules which govern IT'S proceedings and therefore. the
rules which had been adopted IN the Fortythird Con-
grcss not IN force at the beginning ~ the Forty
fourth. That decision covered the whole ground
TINS controversy unless the gcn'ieaen would say that
Joint rule was ru'e or the government House
OF Representatives.
The spgAkgp-It does not follow that the House is
not governed by the joint rncs, especially when the
House is reminded OF the fact that The two bodies in
far the twenty ysncond joint rule is concerned.
have several times operated undcr Ia counting the
electoral vote md FAR rs the Chair Is concerned IL
is not aware OF any why that rule should not
be executed once moro. tAppause on the democratic
sidcl
Mr KAssoS-~Can therc be joint rulc 10 which
both houses not ut the time agrccdS Does u not
cease 10 be JOINT rule the moment that either house
disscnts.
The SpEAKER-In the judgment Of tie Chair the joint
relies operate 10 bind both houses until they
cacd
Mr. EAssoY--By one bodyy
The SpEAKYR--The Chair did not say that.
Mr.. HoAR OF Massachusetts, remarked that the
proposition advanced The democratic eide was a
reducio al dosrd,un, aud he was Wiling to have any
men in the country able understand those princ-
pies of parliamentary law winch every Amoricau baby
In the cradle was supposed TO know instinctveiy con-
sider such proposition us that
Mr. SrRiSaAR, in reply to Mr.. Hoars suggestion as
to schoolboys, referred him to tho opinion ot his
mer colleague General Butler), given In ar interview
with reporter oil the New YORK HERALD TO the effect
that II an instrument says that and Is are to do
certain thing us ior example to make award to
enter judgment, cannot do II without u, nor can
The Discussion hero closed and under tho ruling of
the speaker the House proceeded TO the unfinished
business the last session. which the bill reported
by Mr. Bland OF Missouri, from the Committee
Mines and Mining, 10 utilize the products Of gold and
THE COMING OF SILVER
Mr. BLAND explained that in the present political
condition or the country thought that he would oe
warranted in saying that The commission appointed by
Congress to inquire as 10 the desiraby OF the double
standard OF money could make no report in time Tor
action by this Congress this bill Should, therefore,
pass tho Housc, and when the commission did make its
report the bill could be accordingly amended in the
Senate lie desired, however, to offer a substitute
for the bill originally reported one providing that thec
shalt be- time to time, coined al mints OF the
United states s,ver dollars OF the weight OF 4l2iS
grams OF standard silver to the dollar provided Tor
IN the act OF January Is, 1887, and that said dollar
shall be legal tender all debts, public and private
except whore payment OF gold coin is required by law.
Mr.. Cox, (dcm.) Of N. r., inquired whether IL would
wiser, view OF the present condition OF the
country, TO postpone action till tho commission had
made its report Though he might coucur with the
gentleman from Missouri tMr Band) he did not de-
sire vote such AN important measure without
hearing the report OF the commission.
Mr.. BLAND replied that II the bill were 10 be passed
all the sooner IL were acted on the better. Gentle.
had flibusered against It las. session found
their return homo that their constituens were not
Mr. MONROE, (rep) Of Ohio proposed ss compro-
mise the part Of the opponents OF the bill that the
demand for the previous Question seconde6xnd two
hours debate the bill permitted The proposition
was agreed to- the debate to last two hours-one to-
morrow and one on Thursday. The bill then went
Mr.. HOLMAN, (dcm.) OF Ind, Chairman OF tho Com
mtee on appropriations, reported The Post Office APP
preparation bi which was made special order lor to-
morrow alter the morning hour The bill recommendg
tho appropriation Of $32, 9S3, I25
The SPEAKER laid before the House tho resignation
of smith Ely. Jr Representative from tho state oi
New York. Laid on the table.
ALLEGED KLECTioX FRAUDS.
The SPEAKER appointed as the committee to inquire
10 whether frauds have been praclsed in the eiec
zion IN Now York, Brooklyn Jersey City and Phila-
dclphia, Messrs Cox, OF New York; Rice, OF OHIO;
Wuddel OF North Carolina; McDougali, OF New York,
and Wells, OF Mississippi
on motion Of Mr. Woop of New York, tho House,
al twenty minutes past two O'Clock r. NJ. went INTO
Committee OF the Whole, Mr. Cox, OF New York, IN
the cnar, for the purpose OF distributing the Presi
dents Message. THIS being done the committee rose.
Mr.. HALE, lrcp) OF Me-, from the Committee on APP
propriaons reported the Fertilization Appropriation
bill which made special order Tor Thursday
next The bill appropriates $3.50 900.
The House then. at hali-past two o'clock r. NJ, ad-
journcd.