The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1876-06-01


take them at $c+.o0oy A. Yes, SIR
@ nid Mr. Atkins tell you how Mr: Blaine came into
the possession oi these bondsy A. No, sir.
= Did you hear from any source how Mr. Blaine
came into possession OF those bondsy Yes, sir.
BY Mr. Lawrencc-wnen did Mr. Atkins tell you
this? II might DO IN the early part of 1872
q Whercy A. In Boston.
O What place in Bostons A. At No 10 Doane street
and No. II English street
Y Can you mol fix the timc little more specifically
O. What business is carried on at those places that
you speak or A. The one was the Office OF the Adams
Sugar Refinery and when 1t was broken up, Mr. Fisher
made his Office at the other place.
q Who was present when Atkins told you this A.
He told the same story 10 Mr.. Fisher.
q Was Mr.. Fisher present when he told you thsY
A. No do not think lie was.
q Who was present when no told IL to your A.
Not any person.
q. Why did you not say sol A. have said so.
q. What timc OF the day the fret conversation
with Mr. Atkinsy A. cannot tell you exactly
q. Was II in the day or evening? a. II you want
me to 90 INTO particulars wril do il Mr. Fisher
present, think, al one time.
by Mr.. Hun,on--Do you mean 10 say that Fisher
was present when Atkins told you thisy A. ! am
pretty positive that he was, and Mr.. Fisher has told
me repeatedly that Atkins told him tho whole story
Q Did Atkins state how Mr. Blaine came into pos
session of those bonds9 A. understood that Mr.
Blaine had taken them up from those parties In Maine
for whom he had purchased Them the parties In thus
took them up for those parties. and understood that
those were the bonds which Tom Scott had
Q Did you understand from Mr. Blaine hmsclt that
he han sold those cntynve bonds TO Colonel scott
A. No, sir; did not say Mr Blaine mentioned the
name Of Tom Scott
o. WHAT did you hear from him on the subject OF
those bondsy A. heard IRON him that he sold some
ot those bonds he did say how many and that lac
had 10 pay these men IN Maine for them
q. To whom did no say that he sold themg A. fc
did not state
o. ma Won hear from Mr. Blaine that any or the
bonds the Fort Smith and Little Rock Railroad Com
pany had into the hands OF Tom Scott and thence
into the hanns Of the Union Pacific Railroad Com.
panyy a. Mr.. Blaine never stated That TO mo
q. State IN what manner he did speak the sub
jec. A. Mr. Blaine used to complain about how he
lost by the transaction and about taking up these
bonds from the parties in Maine to whom they had
been sold; Mr.. Fisher heard the story about Mr..
Blaine having sold those bonds for certain amount,
and no told Mr. Blaine about III Mr.. Fisher took the
ground that Mr. Blaine had not lost anything be-
he had sold the bonds or more than they were
worth: Mr.. Blanes reply was that hc did not have the
benefit OF that himself aud that he had not the
orty-cight hours; that hc had paid u over to those
parties III Maine.
o. Then the bonds, which you heard from Mr.. Atkins
Mr. Blaine had sold 10 Mr Scott were port ion oil the
bonds that have spoken Of IN that transaction as
Won understood from Mr.. Atknsy a. Mr. Atkins did
not say from whom the bonds came; he did not say
that they belonged to those parties but say It:
q. | understood you while ago to say thai Mr..
Atkins told you that Mr. Blaine had sold TO Mr.. Scott
those seventy five bonds and that Mr. Scott had made
tho Union Pacific Railroad Company take thcmy A.
Yes, sir.
O. And you heard from Mr. Blaine that those bonds
which he sold Mr.. Scott and which he made the
Union Pacific Railroad Company take were portion OF
the bonds which the parties in Maine had got through
hmy A. DO not mlsundcrstand; prefer to state
in nv own words; there transactions between
Mr. Fisher and Mr. Blaine. and Mir. Fisher urging
Mr. Blame Tor settlement; Mr. Biainc wrote to
Fisher about the trouble in regard 70 these bonds, and
there was besides outside settlement IN which
Mr. Atkins directly Interested letters were writ
ten back and forth between Mr.. Blame and Mr.. Fisher,
Sir. Fisher pressing u settlement; Mr. Atkins name
was used In these letters, and then both Mr. Atkins
and Mr.. Fisher told me about this transaction.
0. You mean the transaction between Blaine and
Scot. aud the Union Pacific Railroad? A. Yes; Mr..
Fshcr and Mr.. Blaine were to meet for settlement
and was delegated by Mr. Fisher who was suck az the
time to make tho settlement for him; mot Mr. Blaine
in the Parker House, at Boston, and the first words he
SAID to tho effect that be was glad that he
easily; snow said he me, Mr. Fisher has been
writing letters about this transaction Mr. Atkins don't
said Il. Is said !, Did MI Atkins tell you 80 ~ said
he HE Sd About About. Twenty know minutes ssn, ago.
said Mr. blaine, "will you como down To
Atkins office and say his Prescncey" said ~
wil.n Mr. Blaine said that he had not taken his din
into the dining and took bowl OF soup, and then
went with him 10 Atkins oincc; Mr. Atkins was out
and Mr. Blaine sent for him; when he In asked
Atkins II that Atkins said:-
me.''
That is the whole story. In this conversation Mr..
Blaine brought up the same argument as TO how much
he had lost by these bonds and repeated the story
had got eighty cents on the dollar Tor them.
z. What was his reply to thaty A He did not say
anything; Mr.. Atkins was standing present at tho
time; Mr.. Blaine madc reply.
q. Where that settlement which you made be-
tween MI. Fishcr and Mr.. Baines There Ia record
O. What did that settlement nvolyog A. do not
know that that settlement has anything 10 do with
this investigation; It certainly has nothing 70 do with
Q. Had it any connection with the bonds which Mr.
Blaine had, and part OF which you say went into the
hands Of tho Union Pacific Railroad Company A. did
say whether any of these bonds specifically wont
into tho hands Of the Union Pacific Railroad Company;
lido know do consider that the final settlement
between Mr Fisher and Sir. Blaine has anything TO do
with this matter.
BY MIR Lawrence-Did this settlement relate to
Rock SIN bon or a In
Northern Pacific bondss A. IL referred TO both.
by Mr. hunton.-Q Did this settlement Involve the
Little Rock and Fort Smith ponds which Mr.. Blaine
had and part of which you heard into the hands
OF the Union Pacific Railroad Company rho set
Element involved settlement between Mr. Fisher and
Mr. Blaine about the Little Rock bonds tho transac-
action with the Union Pacific Railroad Company was
pror to that; involved settlement about the North
crn Pacific and Little Rock bonds
O. And portion OF those Little Rock bonds you un-
derstand wcnt atcrward into the hands Of the Union
Pacific Railroad Company A. No, sir; they bad COMO
there previous to this settlement Tho settlement M
voved various things, there had been outstand-
ing account between Mr.. Blaine and Dir. Fisher.
O. II the settlement reduced TO writing that
occasion where isitg A. Mr.: Blaine has II suppose.
gave Mr. Blaine a copy Of tho account think
Q-Who kept the Originally Al made out the
count for him and there necessary copies kept;
the account made out only IRON memoranda
which Mr. Fisher had Of private transactions between
Q.-whcre are those memoranda now Al sup
pose they were all given up TO Dir. Blaine.
$50 you have no trace In writing OF that SETTLE
ments A.-No, sir.
Q.-Statc from memory all that entered into he set
Element. A.--Thcrc some land which Mr. Fisher
held OF Mr. Blame and there notes or MON.
oranda and some dividends due Mr. Blaine.
Mr. Blainc-Mr: Fisher and have had business re-
lat,ons for nearly twenty years, and Nr. MLlgnn
knows very wcll that that settlement embraced all Of
them
Mr.. Hunton-The point which want TO get at 10 a
settlement which involved those Little Rock ana Fort
Smith bonds, PARTON OF which had previously zone
into the hands OF the Union Pacific Railroad Company.
That makes the settlement legal evidence uadcr this
resolution.
wtness--Mr. Blaine, Mr. Foster and have had con-
tnuous business transactions, and do not think that
prvac business ought to be exposed; some OF these
transactions occurred before Mr. Blaine was In Con-
grcss AT all
q. Was there anything In that settlement beside
Little Rock and Fort Smith and Northern Pacific Rail
road bondsY A. There was settlement about all
these private matters Mr. Blaine that were going on
for number OF years
O State all that there in that settlement about
these bontsY A. There came into settlement that
contract for tho Northern Pacific Railroad Company,
which you may have In The papers
Mr Hunton ito Mr. Iawrcncc) SO yeu object to
testimony about the Northern Pacific Railroad Conn.,