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New-York tribune., 1875-05-12
MR.. TILTON'S COUNTERPART-THEO II
TILTON.

o. Mr. Beecher spoke of q conversation that
he had had with Mr.. MOuton, in which Mr. MOulton
related interview that he had had with Mr.. Bowen at
his house In CntOnst and at which Mr.. Bowen turned
he said to his picture hanging on the wa and said
made a remark How can ever be rccOnciled to that
AMI" referring to Mr.. Beechers portrait. Was Mr..
Beechers portrait in that house ia Clnton-s.Mr
MoultOn's hOusei A. No, Sir.
O. Howl A. No, Sir during the time that Mr.. Mou
ton re sided in CntOn-st that portrait was in my house,
and it did not pass into Mr.. Mouton's possession until
months aerward after he had gone to reside in his Rem
senst house.
O. Mr. Beecher referred in his testimony to his inter
view with Mr. Bowen. He said you attempted he
informed by Mr. Bowen to excuse soTe OF the stories
that had told concerning you, by stating that they
referred to Theodore II. TiltOn.
MI Evarts-who says thati Mr. Beecherf
Mr. MOrris-Yes
Mr. Evarts-He didn't give his initials
BY Mr. MOrris-TheOdOre ii. TtOn. Do you know,
have You Theodore H. Tilt0nf A. have, Sir
O. And about the Spring Of 1871 did you hear anything
concerning Theodore II. TOn A. Not at the time Mr.
Bcecher mentions.
O. No, but subsequent, or at about that period A.
Yes Mr. Theodore ii. Tton divorced
Mr. Eyarts-well, what have we to do with thsi
The Witness lcOntlnuing--on the 9th OF June, 1871
Mr. Evarts-We don't care anything about 1t.
Mr. Morris-well we do.
Mr. Evarts-we don't anything about Mr. Theo-
dOre III. Tilton
Mr. MOrrs-Yes, want to show that as he has been
referred to by Mr.. Beecher and he said Mr. Bowen
stated that Mr.. Tton attempted to Of these
sories or TO explain them, the ground that they
lated TO Theodore H. Ton, the argument will be, and
the inference intended 10 be drawn from that that that
was mere pretext, that there such person
Theodore ii. Iiton, and 1t subterfuge. Now
we want to show propose to show, that there ver
table Til eodorc H. Tilton and that about that time he
had obtained divorce from his wife, and that ho had
become somewhat talked about. and that Mr. Tiltons
aluson to him was OF q date subsequent to that
Mr. Evarts-The point In Mr. Beecher's testimony Is
tbis- was what said by Mr.. 1on to himself, not
nv Mr. Bowen-directy by Mr.. Tton to Mr Beecher.
Mr. Morris-wel Sir. that makes 1t still stronger
Mr. Evarts-lReadlngl:
He said the stories Of his going with this woman in
Winsted were absolutely false, had no foundation
in fact and he could not understand how they should
have started except that there another Tton bear
ing the initials his. who dissolue man ana
an incorporate man. and had been about the country
and that this story probably true of him. and had
been transferred by those that did not know the dier
ence OF personality To him.
That Is the point Of Mr.. Beecher's testimony
The Witness-I had such conversation with Mr..
Beecher.
Mr. Evarts-Wcll that you have not been asked There
IA time enoug-I ask TO have that struck out that not
q question that has been asked.
By Mr.. horns-Did You ever ~ 'ak---
New-York tribune., 1875-05-12
CONTRADICTIONS OF GEN. TRACY.

O. Now, at that interview, after stating what
you had said upon entering the room, Mr. Tracy says:
Thereupon Mr.. Tilton unfolded, as ! remember. the
writing of manuscript which he gr0ngns w'' bn m. manu- ,1
script was in loose sheets, detached ana much e'ou anu
underlined.
Did anything OF that kind occur at that interview
The witness-May see that page Mr.. Morrisi think
you have read 1t incorrectly.
Mr.. Morris Handing the testimony to the wtnessl
1t has been scratched out much with ink there that
cannot understand word correctly 1t is at the top
OF the page
The wtness-Shall read tf
Mr. Morris-Yes it is scratched out so much there
cannot see the words.
The Wltness-(readingl-" ThereupOn Mr.. Tilton un
folded, as remember, the covering Of q manuscript
which he brought with him into the room. and began To
read his statement"
@. Did anything Of that kind occur at that interview
A. 1t did not, Sir.
O. Did you hear that interview tho letter OF contr
on as it called spoken of by Mr MoultOn as mere
memorandum Of a conversation that he had with Mr.
Beecheri
Mr. Evarts-One moment, Mr. Tilton ITO Mr. Morris ]
would like to have you follow tho language OF Mr..
Tracy, as you undertook to read it.
Judge Neson-Ycs; make your question as specific as
you can, Mr. Morris.
Mr.. Morris-I think that is specific
Mr. Evarts-Mr. Tlton went into this interview fully
on his direct examination.
Judge Neilson-Yes; and he has right now only 10
correct certain specific statements.
Mr.. Morris-That Ia all.
Judge Ncson-That, suppose, is the intent OF the
counsel
Mr.. Morris-That is the object OF the question.
Judge Neison-Whose examination have you got be-
fore you, Mr. Morrisi
Mr.. Morris-I have got the examination OF Mr. Tracy
Mr. Evarts-I don't think you will find it in Mr.. Tracy s
examination.
New-York tribune., 1875-05-12
THE RED LOUNGE INTERVIEW DENIED
In TOTO.

Nv Mr.. Morris-Mr. TiltOn. Miss Turne.
spoke of an Interview that you had with her an alleged
interview up stairs In your bedroom long interview in
which you referred TO the red lounge in your house
Mr. Eyarts-Will you give us the page Dir. Morrist
Mr. Morrs-Four hundred and eighty but will with
draw the question.
Mr.. Beach-wel want TO know-I want him to con-
tladct her on those interviews
Mr. Morris-wel then will turn to the page page
4sO-a long interview, she relates it. will not read
the whole interview.
Mr. shcarman-what page, Mr.. Morrisi
Mr. Morris-Page 4sO, part o.
BY Mr.. Beach-Mell have you heard her account 0i
that interview, as given in the evidencei
by Mr.. Morrs-A long interview that she relates up
stairs in the back bedroomi A. have heard 1t and
read II, both
O. Well did any such interview she relates tha,
occasion take place between you and her A. No, Sir
Mr. shear1nan- interview is thisi
Mr. Fullcrton-Thcre only one interview IN that
bedroom.
Mr. shearman-Is that the interview when she men
toned Mrs. Tilton was very sick-is hat the onei
Mr. Morris-Ihe interview in which she spoke OF tie
red lounge.
Mr. shearman-That Is on page 47S.
BY Mr.. Morrs-And also tho interview page $50;
call your attention to both interviews II you rccollect
the interviews she related themf A. l have A.
Mr. shearnan-wat moment.
Mr. Beach-Really, counsel don't want us 10 read that
Ito defendants COUNSEL do youi We tell you what is
to commence with
Mr. Evarts-we didn't know what the interview was
Mr.. Morris-On page AT and page $50.
Mr.. Beaeh-well, read II, read IT,
The Witness-I know the interview, Mr.. Morris very
well, which you refer TO.
Mr Morrs-well. read sufficient OF II Ia identify
1t without reading the whole Of IL $50 and 4sl 1t Is
Tho interview after she stated the that
you had had with your wife In the paror, In which she
said you knocked her down that subsequent TO that on
See Ninth PAGE.
New-York tribune., 1875-05-12
THE AFTERNOON SESSION.

The Court met mt 2 p. M, pursuant TO ad-
iournment Theodore Ton recalled, and his direct
examination resumed
BY Mr. Morris-Mr. Tton, was asking you before the
recess question In regard to Mr. Tracys notification 10
YOU of his intention feeling himself ut liberty to act
for Mr. Beeohor have tho evidence before me and
will read 1t and call your attention TO It, In speaking OF
this interviews question by Mr. Eyarts:
Mr.. Evarswhere did 1t occur. tho interview or the
O. The Brooklyn cinbi A. The Brooklyn Club-it may
have been at my Office; Mr. Ton was In the habit OF
the habit OF dropping in at the Club when taking
lunch or dinner; and met him in the street often. We
q. Well, what passed between yOu-hOw was the
matter nroducedf A. Referring to the conversation in
to the that you then stated TO me- shall adhere to
the promise made you hut desire to say to you that
ever do, and state different case from what you stated
TO me- shall not regard my promise then mado to you as
binding upon me-"
you and Mr. Tracy prior your meeting him before the
Committeet A. No, Sir; Mr.. Tracy gave me any
such notification.
O. And you have related what occurred before the Com
mtee on that subjectl A. Yes, Sir
O. Either at the Brooklyn Club, at his Office or any
where else, prior to that tmel A. Never. Sir; never
anywhere.
O. Mr.. Becher in his testimony speaks OF au interview
he had with you your house, when he walked with you
from the ferry at which you read him statement He
says the True Story that you read to him at
that time. State what that you read A. read to
him, Sir, precisely the document which read to
Mr. Harman and Mr.. Bell and Dr. StOrrs and to others.
1t never called by me the Truo Story" other peo-
pie have put that designation upon it, 1t Is the same
document.
@. 1t has to be designated In that way A. II
was the paper known in this trial the True Story "
read him no other paper.
O. portion Of that has been put In evidence hore
A. Yes. Sir portion Of an imperfect copy.
Q. And you read from no other paper to him A.
From no other paper to him; yes Sir.
Q. Now in that statement there an extract from
the statement known " The storrs Statement" In
which it was stated-n which Mrs. Tlton said that Mr.
Beecher had solicited her to become wife to him. with
all that that term implies A. Yes, Sir the first SEN
tpnce OF that statement or letter by Mrs. Ton, ad-
dressed to Dr. Storrs and dated Dec Is, iS72-the first
sentence OF that document incorporated accurately
in the narrative known the True Story"
O. And which you read to him at that time A. Yes Sir
@. Or n portion OF iti A. Yes, Sir
O. And You read that portion to which have called
your attention to him A. Yes Sir; presume did, for
read him the narrative called the "Tre Story"
O. And you read from other dOcumenti A. read
from other document.
New-York tribune., 1875-05-12
CONVERSATIONS WITH MRS. OvINGTON.

CONVERSATIONS WITH MRS. OVINGTON.
Q. On that occasion read you brief state
ment OF Mrs. Ovingtons and will ask you question in
regard it, 1t is No g. page 131. Speaking Of an inter
view that you had with her. she asked this question
estate what said upon that subiectP TT Is not
viii indicate III "oh! When he spoke Of the fiction
think it was, he said: Elizabeth will lie for mo- She
would tell any number OF lies To clear me- She loves
me- fos;a Even were sa tra! 70, for thf Nathan a,
think that She II called to you think that
she would tell the truth and have mo G3nvlcr"f he
O. And then she gives her reply will divide the ques-
ton Will you explain that part, whether you used that
language to Mrs. OvngtOn-the language that have
read in that interview given hcre and in the sense that
is used here A. The language that you just read
O. Yes A. Well, Sir, should not know how to answer
that because it has passed frem my recollection. Now
that You read IT, it does not up to my mind hav
ing passed between should not like to say that it
did not.
O. she spoke about Mrs. Ton having lot out the only
cool that you had in the house. and your using
eSpresson OF Why don't Mr. Beecher take
OF her r. Why does he let her do hat Will you
explain that statement A. rccollcct something that
subject The circumstances were these: was sitting
with Mr.. and Mrs. Oyington on their back piazza and
chanccd to make remark to this effect. that was sorry
that the piazza my house In the front, and not In
the that my piazza was practically OF no advantage
TO the family, because in order to sit there we must cx-
pose ourselves to the street. whereas in Mrs. Oyington
house they could enjoy the comfort OF thor piazza,
and still maintain their family secuson. Mrs.
Ovington made some remark, however. about
my house being very cool and comfortable
in the Summer in consequence of Gaatinpace opening
perpendiculay just in front OF it, then made remark
that that true, but that was very sorry that Mrs.
Tton had been compelled to yield the pleasantcs and
coolest in house, which was tho secondstory
pair of front rooms to Mr.. and Mrs Taylor, who
then occupying them and added, perhaps in satrca
yein This Of the consequences of the scandal
and unless / defend myself against the accusations
brought against me- presume shall go to complete
ruin" Some such conversation passed between Mrs.
OvingtOn and myself.
New-York tribune., 1875-05-12

Mr.. MOTrs-1 have given exnct % rar u ItS eHect ."
concerned.
Judge Nelson ITO tho juryI-Gentemen, get ready to
retire; please be IN your seats at o'clock.
The Court here took a recess until o'clock.
New-York tribune., 1875-05-12

Judge Neilson-Is that "a Massachusetts case :
MI Evarts-It is the of Edgcrt0n agt WOLF In ~
Mass the 9th Of Gray.
Judge Nelson That collateral question isn't to be tried,
OF
MIR. Eyurts-Then no evidence can be given concerning
It, There any law that side can give evidence
about it and tho other not Now. Of course have not
shown Mr. Tilton's statement this subject with any
notion that there was any truth In II; not INC least IL
his statement concerning matter in regard TO which
other proof has been given that Is, this Winstod afr
therefore, tho truthfuncss Of his statement about the
Winsted affair is not matter that is to be as
s,imed at all in our giving OF the evidence, but
they undertake to show that Mr.. Tilton did not or
could no-dd not could not have said that Nj Theo-
dorc -f that is his name Mr.. Beechcr does not seem
TO have named hm-hat Mr. Theodore H. Tilton, IL that
were his name the other DrOmo; II he said that,
why fact that there was not any such man wodd not
tend to prove he had not said a rate that Is the
very point You cannot 80 into the trial OF whether or
no there such man as Theodore H. Ton or not nor
any minor fact or specific detail In the career OF
Theodore III. Tlton. believe there Is no authority TO
the contrary OF this proposition to be found anywhere
Mr. Beach-Your Honor will permit me respectfully TO
state that this remark that that collateral issue could
not be trod seems inaccurate. Ono party asserts
that at an interview between himself and the opposite
pary certain statement made, by to tho other.
The party alleged make that statement denies it, and
81 Va that at the time OF that alleged Interview was In
Europe" Can't prove that he in Europe ut that
time and cannot the gentlemen give evidence TO show
that he here at that tme and isn't 1t equally col
lateral fact with the involved In the proposition
submitted to your Honor
Mr. Evarts-I don't think 1t Is.
Mr. Blackwell, was addressing the Court and did
not either solicit, nor do value the opinion Of the
gentleman upon that point Tho question Is from Mr..
Tilton whether at the time when Mr. Beeoher says he
made the allusion about tho other Tton-whether Mr..
Tton then knew Of any Of the circumstances
affecting the the reputation OF this other Mr..
ton, and 1t Ia circumstance to to this jury upon tho
question OF credblity between these witnesses.
II Mr.. Tlton At that time did not know the other Mr..
Tilton, or, II he did know him. not aware that
there were any impeaching circumstances rela-
tive to his character, why that is o circumstance
affecting the probability OF his having made
the alluson that gentleman which Is alleged to have
been made by Mr. Beecher Now. that does not prove,
Sir the truth Of the fact whether not these public al
usons due to tho reputation OF this other Mr. I'll
ton. and that Is what s Massachusetts proposition
New-York tribune., 1875-05-12


Mr. Bcaci-It is just good coming from Nj. Wood
ruff IA from any ono else.
Mr. Eyarts-we agree Mr. Woodruff has right TO
make his statement about It, How does that make ii a
contradiction Of Gen Tracy to ask him whether this
said in MI TtOns presence, when Mr Tracy has said it
was said in his presence don't object to your prov
ing by Mr.. TiltOn any competent Witness that Mr.
Titon was present from tine first moment and so
tradct Gen. Tracy fact. That is what am talking
about
Mr. Morris-we agree this not said In Mr. Tiltons
presence 1t was not said in ony ones presence
Judge Neilson-You simply wish to prove 1t was not
said in his presence, which think Is competent You
mag do that, think.
NJ Evarts-That object to, as not being rebutta
contradiction.
Judge Nelson-Ycs. 7 don't express opinion
whether Mr Tracy is right, or Mr Woodruff.
Mr. Eyarts-No, understand that but our objection
to the question is 1t is not competent not being In
rebutta
Judge NesonIt NAV have occurred before he camc in
Mr. Eyarts-There being no statement by Mr. Tracy
that It was said in Mr.. Tilton's presence
Judge Neson-NOw. what was said In your prcsencei I
BY Mr. Morris-Now, Mr.. TltOn, did Mr.. Moulton, in
your presence at that interview say twhen referring to
the letter OF conrition), 1T is memorandum Of
Of q conversation had with Mr.. Beecher-
Mr.. Evarts-" Or notes"
Mr. Morris" or notes Of a conversation had with Mr.
he never characterized by any such name, gave 1t
any such designation.
O. Last Summer did Mr.. Tracy say to you, In Dicters
saloon at any other place notify you that In
you made charge OF adultery against Mr. Bcecher that
he would feel at liberty TO act as Mr. Beschers counsel
Mr.. Evarts-Wait q moment Mr.. TiltOn. ITO Mr. Nor
ris Won't you refer to the passagei
Mr.. Morris-I asked him that from my recollection
Mr. Evarts 1t Is the notice that have not
ence OF TO the testimony.
Dir. Beach-We FAY, :" Here or at any other place I"
That was the question.
Mr.. Morris" Or at any other place. That the
question.
Mr.. Eyarts-I want to see his language.
Mr.. Bcach-You must look it up; not bound to
look II up for you.
Mr.. Eyarts-I ask you to walt.
Mr.. Ecach-We will wait.
Mr.. Morris-Your Honor will recolect the language
certainly.
Mr.. Evarts-If his Honor recoects Gen. Tracy's Ian
guage and give the language, 1 will take It,
want the language before q man is contradcted.
Judge NesonIt proper. undoubtedly, 10 get the ex
cot statement
Vermont phÅ“nix. [volume] (Brattleboro, Vt.) 1834-1955, 1875-09-03
STATE ITEMS.

Hon. Daniel Needham of Boston, sec
rotary of the New England agricultural So
clety, has accepted an invitation TO deliver
the annual address at the Vermont state
fair on Thursday afternoon, September 10.
"A sturgeon six feet long and weighing
40 pounds was caught in Lake Champlain,
the other day.
Every section of the Burlington La
noble railroad but one has been let to sub.
contractors, and the work is vigorously
progressing all along the line.
The house and barn of l.. w. Hadlock,
situated on the line of the Montpelier &
Wells River railroad, at Wells River, were
burned on Tuesday by sparks from pass
ing engine.
The attention oftho Vermont scientists
has been called TO a natural opening in the
side of HILL short distance below the
village of Bristol, from which a current of
cold air constantly issues with much force.
The temperature Of the air is the same as
that of the "big cold spring" which runs
through the hill, and there IS supposed TO
be big hole in there into which constant
current of warm air flows from the surface
The hearing on the case of Mrs. Rich
ard Dodge for shooting Joel Dodge, her
husbands brother, at Middlesex was term
mated at Montpelier, Saturday afternoon.
The testimony Of Mis-. Dodge showed that
she had been particularly prosecuted by
Joel since last March, and that he had
threatened her life, and at one time raised
an ak over her head. She claimed that she
did not intend to Kill him, but TO shoot
him in the legs, but Joel, upon discovering
the pistol in her hand, lowered his head
enough TO receive the charge in the face
She was committed for lack of $4,000 bonds
Work has commenced on the repairs
at the state prison in Windsor. A gang of
masons are tearing out the inside of the
old part Of the prison which was built sew
enty years ago. 1t is tough job, as the
building is constructed of blocks of granite
four 10 ten feet long and one 10 two feet
thi.k. The outside walls will be left as
they are, and the cells will be built of
lripk
Vermont phÅ“nix. [volume] (Brattleboro, Vt.) 1834-1955, 1875-09-03
MIsCELLANEOUS.

1t is discovered that snakes eat potato
bugs.
The japanese send bricks to California
and sell them cheaper than they can be
made there, in spite Of a 20 per cent duty.
New Jersey was startled on Saturday
by the announcement that Josephus Sooy,
Jr., the STATE treasurer, had embezzled
some S45, 600 of the public money, and clear
ed out.
His life was a complete riddle" says
a Texas paper of gentleman who lately
put charge of twenty-five buck shot into
himself His death was a complete one, too.
The only time that boy ever has an
idea of reforming and becoming good, says
a chid-hater, is when he is freed among
the cherries by lank farmer and couple
Of maslilfs.
AS the ladies walked on the beach,
with their long hair down, because other
wise sit takes so long to dry" 1t was the
cRJam tc,Ti6le who says triumphantiy'
mamma leaves all hers at the hotel
The champion misquoter OF the world
is on the East Brady, Pa, Independent
lie attributes President Lincoln's words,
with malice toward none, with charity to
all" to the Bible. Thus may you see what
comes of letting boys go fishing ON Sunday
instead Of coming 10 Sunday school.
Frank Yates, disguised and disap-
pointed miner, has arrived at Cheyenne
from the Black Hills. lie exhibits 1920 in
gold dust, and says it was washed out by
three men in fifteen days,
Notwithstanding the cyal mines on the
Pacific coast, and the reports Of new DIS
coveries, the importaLions Of coal to ihat
section from the East are on the increase
1t is reported in Los Angeles that a
number of Chinese working on the South
ern Pacific Railroad grade, near the Color
ado Desert, have died from the intense
heat prevailing in that region 1t Is II com
mon Thing for the thermometer to marx
100 in the shade, when shade can be found
Vermont phÅ“nix. [volume] (Brattleboro, Vt.) 1834-1955, 1875-09-03

Tie Changers Picnic held on the Fair
ground at Newfane, last Thursday, was
grand success, and five or six hundred Pa
irons being present, representing eighteen
different oranges. Alter partaking Of
sumptuOus repast prepared by the sister
the procession was formed, beaded by the
Westminster Band, and marched to the
grove on the west side of the ground, where
they listened to a very able, eloquent and
instructive address by Bro. IL. c. Bacon of
Putney. After the addyess various sent-
ments were responded to by Brothers VI.
o. Howe, Edward Morse, J. o. Toilet, l..
o. Powers, G. II. Houghton, c. Q. Sleb-
bins, and Mrs. NJ. NJ. Bacon.
Mrs. Wood from Burlington, also adj
dressed the audience in a very interesting
manner. The exercises were interspersed
with music by the choir and :he band.
During the day the young folks amused
themselves in games of croquet, ball, &c,
all seeming to enjoy the occasion. At the
close Of the exercises, resolutions were
Offered by Bro. L. d. Conant, among which
was one thanking the directors Of the Wind
ham County Agricultural Society for the
use of their grounds and recommending
all Patrons 10 attend the annual fair of the
association the coming autumn.