The New York herald., 1875-07-02

arrive TIL near ten. rne routine business or tne
Court W0s despatched rapidly, so as to procure
scope for the mOmentous business at hand.
Brothers Caldwell ana Howard were the chief lay
delegates present from Plymouth church. Loader
looked more attenuated and nervous than usuai.
and young Price was comparatively subdued In
manner. Mr.. Price, ST., came into court during
the examination and entered into conversation
TESTIMONY or JosEPH-M. PEARsALL.
MI. Pearsali, VINO 10 pale, setpossessed young
ten O'Clock, ana being duly sworn, testified II
reside at NO. 80 Park place | am a clerk IN the
once OF Morris aud Peersal; am notary pub
TIC, ana Was sworn as sucn on May II, 1874;
know Joseph Loader, The defendant; also know
JOnn j. Price.
Q. When was 1t that YOU drst becam acquainted
with Joseph Loader A. | hrst met Mr.. Loader
AZ hls residence, at No. 40l McDOnOugb street,
aoout seven O'Clock on tne morning OF June 10.
1879; next saw him IN the afternoon oil the same
day in tue ONCE OF Morris and Pearsau; judy,
motifs said he wanted notary public; he sald
the man wanted TO be sworn TO .he andavit;
Loader and Price were both IN the once when
went IN; nad seen Loader only once before.
z. VINO we're in the once when you entered on
the 18TH OF Juneg A. Judge Morris, General Pryor
and Mr.. Mouton; MI rton was, believe, In the
back olncei know ar. lllton was In the Dack
ofice and mad nothing TO do with the making OF
Q. What was said at the time of making ont the
affldavIt by those who were present? A. Leaders,
afidavlt was pretty nearly finished ana d clerk In
the back was wiring rom the minutes; and when
he brought in the finished copy lie gave il to
General PryOr, VINO gave 1t 10 me; then Loader
signed II on Mr. paersalrs desKln the front Office
took It into The desk and swore Loader.
q. How long alter Leaders afildavlt was sworn
TO was It when Price was swOrnY A. PrIce's
afildaylt was sworn to ten minutes after.
o. What took place preceding the signing OF the
afIidaviIs? A General Pryor was asking them
what they mad 10 say. ana as they said 1t 10 was
written down; knew mat General Pryor was
talking TO them, but couldn't tell what he was
saying; Leaders, anldavit was all lnished when
came INTO t2e once, so That don't know wno
wrote his; this AFFIDAVIT was read by General
Pryor to Loader IN my presence and | gave
Loader the pen and he sat down; Prlce's state
ment vas also begun when l came into the orce !;
Mr. M0ULrON WROTE IT;
the clerk was writing 1t, and made some mistakes,
wGen Mr.. Moulton said, LET me do it;" the CLERK
the name OF the clerk ~ waiter J. Scott; he mas
been in the oifce about TWO months and is there
now.
O. Now, as TO this statement OF Loader did you
see the original draft OF the statements A. / saw
the scraps OF notes after, but / Ill MT know
whether IL was the af1daylt OF LoGder Or Price;
suppose the scraps were Of Priceis affidavit be-
cause thcy were IN ar. Moulton's handwriting
there were only Two sheets; don't know where
these scraps are now looked for them this morn
ing but could rot fpd them; they were probably
thrown into the waste paper basket; / heard
n thing further OF the conversation except what
have detailed; next saw Loader IN me Once
the following morning, bat had no conversation
with him; the form OF The oath administered him
was:-"Do You solemnly swear that the contents
OF the within af1aavit subscribed TO by You Is
true, so help you Godf" lie answered afllrma-
lively.
q. After this anldayit was. made what took place?
A. went into the back office, believe, and Ghey
separated In a few nllnules; don't remembel
whether saw them separate, nor whetner any
conversation occurred afterwards; | am quCe
positive tnat they ali lett In few moments
Loader left first; have had no conversation witt
Loader since lie maze the alildavit; saw him on
the morning the atiidavit was presented IN Court
Mr.. Moulton was writing Ia Judge Norris room
when / went into the ONCE, and all The doors
were open at the nme; Ihe writing was beins
done In Mr. MOTIFS private oflce; Mr. Loader
Mr. MoultOn and General Pryor were in there; the
talking there could oe heard ia the back room
next saw Price on the 10th OF June, In the night
and helo conversation with him on the subjeci
OF his afidavit; he said "lt was so'-that ms afi
witness, who identified them as correctly | gave
Them the pen win which they signed their anida-
WITS; dipped tne pen in the Ink and then saw
them sign their names the handwriting In the
body OF the afioavlt shown IS scOJt's the copy oi
Leaders IS in Scott's handwriting and Prlce's is
drafts were both Identified and placed III evI
deDce.)
wlsness-I saw Price again the next morning;
was coming down on the train from Whitesuone
L. l., where had been to serve Mr.. George Z. Lev
with subpoena; saw Price at College Point on
my way there; TOOK Price with ne ana remained
IN AIS company till tue next morning.
q. How came you to Jake Price with you to
had better take Price and keep him with you
tonight;
and mterYieWers. | paid mis- expenses but not
out OF my pocket; judge Morris gave me the
money; after suor renalng Ar. Legs we came DO 6n
saio to MI. Legs, "Ihere is a man that can tell
you those statements are right that have been
pnDusned IN the HERALD" and Price SAID Yes,
those are all right" | didn't tell Legs who he
was then; L introduced him to Legs as Mr.. Jones
on reaching Morrls' ONCE LeJs Went into Morris
room; Morris tod Price not TO talk 10 any
oooy about it; / Kept Price In Charge
from six O'clock p. NJ, June 10, TIL
hslf-past ten A. NJ. OF the next day: alter I left
him don's know OF anybody In our ofice having
HIN In charge; gave Price 81 az College Point +;
he did not ask me for 1t; he drank several times,
M a iOnnc haIr
he drank as often as dozen times, should saw
but was NOT intoxicated; on the morning saw
General Pryor, Nh. MOulton and Mr.. Morris in the
Office, when the arhdavtts we're taken, have ali
maistmct recollection " seeing IiltOn / had been
absent from tne ONCE about an hour and g half
before tnat.
Cross-eXamined-I saw General Pryor, Mr.. Nor
riS and Mr.. Beach there before they went 10 the
Court; Judge Morris introduced me to Price !;
Price appeared 10 be sober at the time /;
when l subpeaned Loader | told him
Mor,,S 70 come 10 the ONCE ssa ana and see Mr.
am pretty certain That the scraps saw were OF
Prico's afildavit, IN Mr. Moultons writing; when |
tolu Loader to call at the once did not tell MIN
what the object was; did not use the Bible in
aaml nisterlng the oath, nor did tell Loader the
alhuaMs was 10 De used IN court; Leaders, son
came ihto the o1ice, after AIRS TllLoG's afiidavlt
had been published with letter which ne handed
Mr.. Morris; tnink that IS the card that was sent
70 the Times, but don't Know OF my own knOWl-
edge; dldn't see anything sent; Chlnk the
onics boy, Gendenning, told me something was
sent TO tile newspapers.
o. mat card was wnen Loader reafTrmed mis-
statement a. Yes; l know nothing iurtner
abouslL
TESTIMONY OF Mr.. WILCOX.
reside at No. 26l seventh avenue, New York;
l am reporter; have seen Loader aud PrIce sew
eral times; | nrst saw them on Friday evening
saw Loader hrsr IA a store on Fulton avenue--hs
own stOre-aboat six O'Clock in the evening:
had conversation with him there IN relation 10
the action Oi TIltOn against Beecher; / saw Mr..
Loader and stated 10 hlm tnRt had been sent to
Obtain certain Information from him it was
stated tnat he knew something Ia regard to Mr..
HeeclpF. "A n he
store, and after some little questions ne stated
very reluctantly what he knew; we went out OF
the store aud talked; knew some of his lIiends
on the other SIDE; in answer 10 tue questions l
put. 10 nlm ne 1nany consented TO give me the in
formation, the substance vi w1lch was published
In the HERALD.
O. Aud did thar correctly represent the inter-
view as 10 took placer A. ldidn't take 10 down la
shorthand but ltreprcsents 10 as nearly correct
as possibly could there may be some OMISSIONS
O. From whom aid you get Tolr information as
to the whereabouts or Leader and the nature OF
the Information possessed by buny A. From one
OF the editorial stan; DO not care to mention ms
name.
Judge Rley-I thnk you had better 0fer the
HERALD article in evidence. no witness). LOOK
over taat article ana see Il 1t IS the correct s5ate