The Rutland daily globe. [volume] (Rutland, Vt.) 1873-1877, 1875-04-13

me that Mrs. Tilton said she would sacri-
flee her husband rather than myself, and
for the sake of the church and her family
she would deny 1t; | never said TO Mrs.
Moulton that Mrs. Titon was poor child
that she was endeavoring to repair the
wrong she had done, but 1t was too late; ]
never said in conversation with Mrs. Moul-
ton that 1t was cruel oil Mrs. Tilton to have
confessed, and in fact we never had any
such conversation; l never said that had
repented of my sin and felt was forgiven;
she never said to me she did not know how
| could stand In my pulpit and preach to
young men against the crime of adultery;
] said to somebody that my trials had
made me feel so that l could preach to
suffering men, knowing what it was to pass
through trials myself; Mrs. Moulton was a
lady, and never used such terms in her con-
yersaton with Inc as as adultery; it was in
regard to the charge of alternating Mrs. Til
tons affections from her husband that |
said she was a good woman, and that Mrs.
lhtoh ohouiu tuot hcii anu odiu that
my age and experience should have led me
to foresce and prevent any such trouble.
After recess Judge Nelson was accom-
panied TO the bench by city judge Suther-
land of Ky, who was Accommodated with a
seat. A few minutes after the hour Mr..
Beecher took his place in the witness chair,
aud M al
suited for some time in undertones. Wit
ness then testified, on the 31st of May, 1878,
in an interview with Mr.. Moulton when
MIR. Tilton was present, the word crime
was not used in anything that was talked
about, in all this matter from Dec. 1870,
until last summer, this word crime was
conveyed to me at Peekskil by Redpath
on the 18th of June | think when
he saw me unless it came up in conversa-
ton about the Bacon letter, this was the
first intimation had from Moulton or Til
ton in regard to adultery with Mrs. Tilton;
had conversation with Moulton at the
time of the council meetings, in regard to
the publication of the Bacon letter, prior
TO its appearance Mr.. Moulton was ex-
tremely unwilling that Mr.. Tilton should
publish it it was in one of the prior con-
versations that learned from him that Mr..
Tilton In his letter to DR.. Bacon was going
to incorporate portion of the letters of
apology Moulton intimated to me that at
meeting of his friends in New York they
endeavored TO dissuade Tilton from its pub
LEGATION, but he would not be persuaded,
and Mr.. Moutons attention was then given
to modifying some passages in it after the
publication @. the letter telegraphed from
Peekskill to Mouton that | would come
down on my way called on Mr.. Cleave-
land and told him / would call an investi-
eating committee Mr.. Moulton called at
my house, and l expressed my idea that he
could not any longer act as friend of both
parties; he brought me some document
which he wished me to sign, stating that |
had committed some oifense against Til
ton there were to be some friends at nv
house that night, and | told him i would
consult with them and let him know the
result. (ShOwn document. | think
this is the card that Mr.. Moulton
brought to me; its contents are
familiar to me but do not know the hand
writing. Evarts read letter which was
understood to be in the handwriting of
Frank Carpenter. | do not remember much
what was said that night by Mouton my
mind was running ON his plans | had
come to- and had resolved TO come to no
intermediate stage. and would take his
card into consideration had then dis
missed from my mind all idea of Moulton's
further generalship in the matter; this was
on Friday evening, June &c, after the pub
LEGATION of the Bacon letter at later in
terview Mouton said Tilton had bound
himself that if published this statement
| he would be content, and Moulton said if
| did this be would burn all the documents
he had, and if Tilton made any further
movement he would smash him MOulton
often said he had the power to grind Til
tOu " pOWuSI, L tclu ibub L HCNSi
would sign this card after the publication
Of Bowen's letter with tie word nffense
in it Mr.. Moulton afterwards said
that but little harm had been
done by the publication of the Beecher
letter and that it.could be remedied; there
was an opinion that the opening phraseolo.
| e tIat Iott hor ~, tic n
used by me in any way; it may have hap
pened that Mr.. Moulton told me that this
card had been submitted to Mr.. Tracy, and
| said that this met with my approval, bui
do not recollect it. Evarts read from
Moulton's testimony about the conversation
he had with Gen. Tracy about the pubica
ton of this card and its force and effect
witness replied that he had no recollection
of the conversation as it occurred there;
understood that after the publication .o1
the Beecher letter every person would bt
led to understand that l had criminal rela
tions with Mrs. Tilton, and this card i
published would so mislead the public;
| uuuCistOOu hun tAial thN Siui ~
was then improper proposals, and did no
know until heard it from Redpath tina
the charges were adultery; the text o.
the West charges were never laid before
me, but knew what they were before tn,
time they were made; / understand
they were charges against Tllton o
slandering me; in the autumn after tn
West charges; l do not recolect havin!
any conversation with Tilton about then
on Oct. 81, 1873; l remember chuIcl
meeting which was addressed by Tiltoi
and afterwards by me; the meeting was t
act on the report of the examining commit
tee; Tilton appeared at that meeting, AM
made some remarks to the effect that h
had not slandered the pastor of the churcl
and If the pastor said he had he was ther
to answer for them; | said that whateve