New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-08-21


called TO II he would have looked at the details
Mr.. MagoneYour attention called TO il. and then
you point TO law OF 1874 as justyng t-a law passed
Mt. Richmond-I supposed that law had reference TO
Mr. Magone-Now. want to know whether you did
not understand that was necessary to have plans sub
mltted with every canal lcttingl
Mr. Richmond want IL understood that the map on
me was al that was necessary to take out wall benches
Mr. BBigsiow,Answ y the question please.
MI Ricimond-The law requires maps and plans.
Mr. Orr-Iiave you reason TO believe such were sub
Mr. Richmond-If Mr.. Croker testifcs there were
none, then have reason 10 think there were. But
thought there were at the time.
A RESOLUTION OF GREATER SCOPE THAN INTENDED.
Mr. MagOne-Don't the quantities for miles show
you on their face that they could not have been leased
upon an actual survey measurement shown TO You
here in the originals
Mr.. Richmond admit that misled by the rcso-
luton. supposed voting for letting certain
amount of work between Port Schuyler and the Lower
Mohawk Aqueduct. thought IT was between instead
Of from. The Canal Board did not intend TO let the
work In that way The understanding was to let the
work only between the points stated The difference ls
produced by using the word "between" instead OF
from and did not know this till now since received
Mr.. Maaone-Do these estimates give any idea OF such
piece of work of 50 much work
Mr.. Magone-Do YOU wish to have IT understood that
Mr.. Richmond-I wish have IL understood that these
estimates made out only 10 the amount OF the
more work and to that extent We were deceived
Mr.. OrrWas it not necessary 10 have special map or
Mr.. Richmond-No Sir! will show you.
The wncss here drew diagram ~ the locality some
thing in the form Of the letter 3 and showed that one
side, on n curve. was TO be removed or Strengthened
Mr. Orr showed that both were cut off, showing
both an excavation and an embankment.
The witness said that not the UNDERSTANDING OF the
Board as 10 what was to he done.
Mr.. Van Buren, also examined witness TO the effect
ef the work done on the map but ne SAID ne dlu nor u
derstand that it 10 he done in the way exhibited
Mr. Richmond desired to call attention TO the acton OF
the Canal Board in 1874 TO show tlat there is diner
OF opinion as to the construction OF the law between
the Commission and the Board He read resolution 10
show that no map OF certain piece OF WORK was pre-
seDed and he again insisted nat no map otner IMAM "'
on file necessary. 49,, ~,
Mr. Van Barren You do not think important that the
a vertical wall before rock face, or that there Should
he map put OH file to show where the wall should be
Mr. R!chmond-I would think it important If the rock
Mr. Van Buren-If such plans had been submitted
would you approve OF themi .,o
18th of June, 1869 when several million dollars worth
OF work were let aud we will adjourn IN ocnsS' "heh
you come Oh the stand again for exclamation.
IRREGULARITIES OF PROCEDURE ADMITTED.
At 8 o'clock D. M the examination Of Mr.. Richmond
was continued concerning the lettings by the Canal
Board on the 18th OF June, 1860, involving appropria
tons amounting to over $1,000 OOO
Mr. Magone-was there any map or plan for the re-
mova Of tho bridge at Syracuse ?
Mr. Rchmond-Is there any map or plan with the
estimates
Mr. Nagone-If you want to learn such facts and want
time, will give il you
M Rchmond-I am willing to admit that there were
irregularities.
Nj Magone-That lie not the question In your card
you censired us for what said in our report Now
we want raise the point in Issue as plain as possible
that we right and were wrong or tbat YOU Snail
Justify what You claim in your ear% or ne eSid s
show there were any maps, &c., III these lettings We
Mr. Richmond-Do understand you TO say that by an
act of mine fraud cOmlnittedi ,,
what we Want to know is whether sich maps plans &c,
as are required by law we're sibnnted
Mr. Bigc,ow-Every annual appropriation act haa q
clause in il requiring such maps, plans, DC.
Mr.. RichmOnd-Have you list of the woIks'
Mr. NagOne Yes, Sir here they are.
TIE MATTER OF MAPS LEFT AN OPEN QUESTION.
Mr. Richmond latter looking over the lsf)-I cannot
say whether these we're taken from the record
The witness assured they were correct, and said
the maps light have been omitted
Mr. Magone-Do you know Of any reason for the omis-
sioni
Mr. Richmond-It was the practice OF the Board to
take the estimates from the Commissioners.
Mr. e-wil you swear there were no maps
Bee9w think T. is about time s an answfG Tas
all day and have not had an answeryet
The witness then answered that he was not aware OF
any work being let without plans.
Mr. Magone said that was not an answer.
Mr. Ricbmond-I cannot say anything else. They were
filed either in the State Engineers office or AUDITORS
Mr. Orr-But We find they have not been filed.
Mr. Richmond-Do understand this Board to say that
Mr. Bigelow-Yes Sir; we do say that. No plans, etc,
required by law, were submitted and ou are me
only man the State who says there Were Now We ask
you yon know of any, and you say yon suppose there
were. What TO know ID II yOa know OF any-if
YOU as State Engineer, who ought to KNOW do really
know any such maps plans, ctc being submitted at
pose when want TO know II you know-h You have
actual knowledge
Mr. Richmond-I can say nothing more than have
admit Irregularities but must INSIST there
submitted. Whether they were such you
think ougl. to be submitted or not cannot say
Tie examination on this point here terminated.