Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1875-01-25
The Pacific Mail Investigation.
IRwIN's EXAMINATION CONTINUED t

means, Win Rlcnard Is. Irwin on the stand.
MR. FANT'S SERVICES.
q. Why was the sum of money You have
What were his services?
a. Services of the same general character
as have mentioned in the case of others en-
/ ployed were rendered. He was to use his best
influence for the passage of the bill. There
was no detailed understanding between us.
SERVICES RENDERED BY OTHERS.
Irwin then took the list of those to whom
ne had paid money, and explained seriatim
what service they had rendered. Sheriff.
Moran and Ingham were to generally use
what influence they had in favor of the sub
sldy. 1t was an important point to watch
and indicate and promote the best means to
have the bill passed. When it failed in the
House and went over to the Senate il was
important to know whether it would be best
to have the House concur in the Senate
amendment or nOn-cOncur, and have the
matter go to conference committee. They
looked TO this branch of the case.
SHALL THE SUBSIDY BE CONTINUED?
Witness was here interrupted by the ap-
pearance Of Gen. GARFIELD, who stated that
the Appropriations Committee was ready t.
report the postal appropriation bill, and il
was desirable to have the views of the Ways
and Means Committee as to whether or not
they should abrOgate the clause granting the
subsidy.
Mr.. Dawes said that the committee would
take the subject under advisement.
IRWIN CONTINUED,
stating that Sheriff., Moran and Ingham fire.
qucntly brought him lists of the House
marked in blue and red colors, and dotted
Indicating how members would probably
vote, until they (the listS) had the appear
ance OF having had the smallpox and ma
tiOnal poison combined Mr. Carmack, who
was employed, bored him to death, aud wit
ness employed him to keep away. He was a
friend of StOckwCllS. and StOckwell told him
(witness) to employ him.
EX-GOV. RANDALL,
who was employed by witness, kept him al
ViSed of everything that was going on. and
frequently conferred with him.
W
who is not here 20 speak for himself was en-
plOyed by order of StOckwell. / don't know
what he did. l waited on FOrney and told
him StOckwell had ordered me to employ
him; he was exceedingly reluctant about the
matter. and said he did not desire the en-
plOyment. | paid him $4,000, the price ho
asked, which was not only to pay him for
whatever services be might render, but also
for his reluctance He was not to render any
particular service. He at one time asked for
a canvass of the list of the House as il stood
on the measure. After looking at ii he handed
| ii back 10 me, and said: Il don't know that
can do anything" StOckwell peremptOrily
thought Forney could do, made me laugh
| when he told me, and also made FOrney
| laugh when told him. He (StOckwelD said:
''He can keep sam Randall quiet"
| SHAW WAS EMPLOYED
by Stockwell because he was the friend of
one of the most ignorant boards of directors
which ever assembled in New York, and at
| the suggestion of Henry Clews.
| OTHERS WHO WERE EMPLOYED.
| COrwlne was employed by StOckwell. He
| rendered no service / know Of never called
| on him for anything whatever. Cheever was
| employed by StOckwells order. / don't
| know what service he rendered. He was,
| however, good talker. Berret and Ward
| were employed by StOckwell. l have here
| tOfOre stated their services. Averill was en-
| plOyed by StOckwell on recommendation OF
| Rufus Hatch. He has stated to the commit
| tee correctly his services Chittenden did
| the same work in the Senate as Averill did
in the House, and rendered no services which
| were not strictly honorable.
| THE TWO DOORKEEPERS
| were employed because the fate of a bill
| often depends upon letting its friends know
| when ii is up in the House, and getting them
| in to vote. On the 18th of March the bill was
| defeated by bringing in two gentlemen OPP
| posed to the bill, who were out on the porticO
| which gave five votes against it. Members
| know full well how doorkeepers can be used
| and made valuable.
MORRIS AND WHITING.
| Morris was employed for what | have
| heretofore tated.
| Whiting first asked me to give him 500 .0DO
for his services in a second interview we
settled on S65,O00, and he paid me back
| $4,000.
THE HERALD AND PATRIOT.
| Since / testified last have seen the editor
| OF the SUIt,tdy HerUd and the treasurer o
| the late Pd'riOt association. / sent to the
| SJOJddy Herald 500, but according to Captain
| BurTit's statement to me II didn't connect
| | paid the Patriot for adveitising-thC
amount did not exceed 500. The paper con
|
| ALBERT, SCHUMAKER AND KING.
q. You have stated that you have paid
| Albert - 200, and his services seem to have
| occupied his time number of months. Why
| did you regard - 900 a sufficient sum for him
| when you gave S3O0,00O to Schumacher and
| SIPS 600 to King?
a. Abert's services were of a clerical char
| actCr He was not expected to use his ser
| vices in Congress; he belonged to the party
| in the minority at that time, and had no in
fuence; he wrote letters for me; he would
~ F1,sar Ii
| passed or not. paid Schumacher what was
| agreed between us. He fixed the sum and
did not think it was too much.
q, Did he demand $500 600?
| A. / asked him what he eXpected-he said
100000. did not consider il a large sum.
| have known as large fee paid for similar
fees in excess of Sl00,OO0 for my own services
| which declined. If mine We're worth 500, 900
| others might have been worth S3O00g0.
q. But you didn't receive such a fee fol
| yourself?
A. When you come TO figure mine down
close, you will find didn't get anything.
q. Did not Schumaker belong to the same
political party, which was in the minority
as Albert?
A. Yes, but Albert had no influence; Schu-
maker had: Albert was uninfuential even
| with the minority.
q. How did King come TO get s125, 900?
A. went to King and asked him how
| much he expected 10 get. He said Sl2j, 900. |
| told StOckwell of the sum King wanted.
| StOckwell was in large stock operations
| King has said he received what money he did
| from Stockwell on account of stock opera
| tlOns-that however, Is not my understanding
| of 1t. i gave Schumacher 100000 on account
| his experience, character, general ability and
| influence. had no man TO replace him on
the floor of the House.
WHAT DID HE DO WITH 1T?
Q. Did you know of any disbursements
| Schumacher was TO make?
| y. did not. did not, nor did he suggest
| any disbursements that should be made.
q. Can you tell if he actually made any
| disbursement?
| A. cannot.
Q. Can you tell what became of the money?
A. Only from what read in his testimony
q. Have you any idea that any of it was
| returned to Stockwell?
| a. have not do not know if il did or did
not go back to him.
| q. Did your understanding with Stockwell
| SO far as you were concerned, include any
| stock operations, either for yourself, or any
! one interested with you?
"A. No, sir. Stockwell once offered me a
| call OF $4,000 worth of stock, on which he
| guaranteed me $40 per share. 1 told him
| didn't want ii either for myself or anybody
else. have heard of large stock operations
in connection with Pacific Mail, but know OF
| nothing myself.
Q. Did S75O,00o cover all the disbursements
| you made on account of the subsidy?
/ A Sfaf fhn f,,l