New-York tribune., 1875-02-04
TIfToN,s FIRST DISPUTES WITH BEECHER.

Q. Very well; now when did you first come to
any occasion public disagreement with MI Beech
er in the OF your and h public life and employment
A. Well Sir had friendly discussion in 1859 or 1861 con-
cerning the disposition Of come missionary funds.
O. That was in Plymouth Church. wasn't itf A. Yes, Sir.
O. And it was somewhat animated and serious dissent
between yon wasn't it? A. Well Sir 1t was like the dissent
between you and Mr. Beach entirely fraerna 1t was con-
test but il was marked with great fendnessi there was no
enmity between
Mr. Beach-What date thatf A. That, think was in
the Winter Of 1859 or 1860 possibly go ard 6l
@ Well these between yours and MI Beechers opn-
ions not as representatives Of clients third personsf II
was not clash OF opinion Sir; were alike in opinion II
was simply question 10 whether Plymouth Church. as an
ansayery organization ought TO contribute It's missionary
funds to society West that held men in bondage took
the ground that ought to do lie took the
ground that our church ought to So and discussed it.
O. The details Of II are Important but twas an animated
and somewhat severe dissent between you wasn't il? 1t
was as severe this he met just before went into the
pulpit night make my speech paed me on the shou'
der and said Theodore and do as well as you cam and
the next day. after the discussion over he came around TO
sec me sAid Theodore am proud OF you That was
the severity Of the discussion.
@ Obi don't mean personal animosty' speak OF your
difference Of opinion public question Don't you recoS
nize that nowt don't recognize the Applicability o
your word severity" as applied a difference Of opinion
O. have asked you nrst that the first OCCASION
tween your A. don't know but that on several occasions
previous 10 that in She discussions in the chuh meetings
may have ground way and nc another on certain
topics lie always encouraged the utmost latitude Of discus
sion
@. II there was nothing noticeable don't to inquire
into IT, and 30 you may have A. Ohl there never was
more friendly discussion than the between Mr BeecheT ana
myself concerning those missionary funds
O And in that discussion you Of opposing opinions and
90 continued to be notwithstanding for tie A. No Sir we
were not OF opposing opinions; Of the ame opinions
but question whether We could as musa'efy neh
apply those opinions to a certain particular case.
q Well opposing opinions concerning the suoIec' OF
actual debate that wasn't III A Yes The difference
being as to money should be applied or should not
be applied did reach difference on moral or eIgous
yievs-a question Of the distribution Of money.
O. Now after this did there arise an occasion OF political
difference between you public men, on question That gene
rally you had concured in beorc A. How soon after hsf
o O. Ican't tell when was-not connected with this "A
don't remember that any serious difference between
Mr. Beeher and myself political question until he took
the eround-n sermon think in 1850 perhas-no perhaps
ter-that military emancipation possible. resisted
that sermon military emancipation was aorward wrought
ont think that is the disagreement we had as to poht-
cal yiews.
O. We'll, then afterwards tlere was Cleveland affair was
there notf A. Yes Sir.
n when was that, A. don't remember the year.
Well can't you tell us about when it was in connection
with the public events or affairs Of politics. Well Sir am
ashamed to say don't fix it in the almanac Of my memo
Somebody present. though must know the date oi the
Cleveland Convention.
@ Wcl It was the tine Of the Cleveland Conyenhoh'
wasn't tf A. Yes, Sir.
O Aud what was that convention, political conVenuon'
A Well cant-yes ii was political convention-OI yes
O. II was in connection with the politics of the country a.
Yes, Sir.
O. And there you took decided opposite grounds to him. did
YOU not A. Yes, Sir very decided
al iNaror ofO Or,r rioDf
A. Yes, SH
O That was, A. thought he was wrong, and said so
Mr. Eyarts-We will stop at this stage If your Honor please
The Court then adjonned until II O'Clock to-day.