The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-01-26

mOuey In YOUR ndU00 Z A. "A numOer OF CnecK8 lot
large amounts were in my hands and some money;
portion OF them mad been used
Q. Did your understanding with Mr.. Stockwel
include stock operations A. Stockwell offered
before made the arrangement 10 carry for me
10. 600 shares OF stock, and guaranteed TO me not
less than $40 a snare; witness tod nm ne mad not
time nor inclination 10 watch the stock market;
he was not cognizant Of any stock OPERATIONS
affecting the subject OF the subsidy not from his
own knowledge, out only from report.
q. You saw you disbursed 100000; Is thar the
e Sn saS What is total amount m see The
original cancelled checks | assume mat the adj
dltiona amount OF $4,000 is correct; presented
a statement and account Tor the whole sum ex-
cept $4,000, which renamed IN my hands in July,
and when he assumed should keep | account
for 1906, boo IN TINS way: the gross amount was
$500. o00 TINS is the entire amount which has
o. Was any more money expendedY A. l know
that Parsons received $4,000 from stockwen.
point A. only from nearsay.
In further testimony the witness spoke OF Stock.
RECEIVING a iuii discharge on DAY ment OF 10, $50
snares OF the company's stock; this ncluaed
everything fitness had now. so far as ne could
recOllect, stated the names or every man to whom
money was given.
coNeEEss TO BE BOUGHT IN THE LUMP.
BY Mr.. NIBLACR-Hersey. an assistant door.
keeper, received $1,000; 1t Is represented that
Hersey Gained he could control three members OF
Congress, and $4,000 OF that amount was given to
hun Tor that purpose q member Of the House
told me this; l never heard OF 1t before; II this
were so presume the members would have gone
alter the money.
O. There are always men mere who claim for
consideration TO influence the votes OF members
tunity In the way of offers to buy Congress In the
lump II me article could be Delivered.
Q. understand that members are often SOLD out
without their own knowledge when there is no
ground reas iOr doing so, out simply as part
VI the plan adopted by the lobby?
MR.. sCHUMAKERS MEMORY
Mr. F0ster-What did Mr.. Schumacher represent
ne could dor A. He made no representation at
all; l had known him as member OF Congress,
he was reluctant to come into this business, out
employed Mr.. SchumaKer because ne could make
the canvass OF the whole House and was the pest
man to take hold OF our business and to show ex-
acty how 1t stood.
q. How was his memory at the time A. I re-
lied on his prophetc power and not on his recOl-
lection.
In reply to Mr. Wood the witness said he was
never engaged in lobby schemes in California,
never having been at Sacramento He considered
himself virtually in charge OF the SUBSIDY about
the 1st OF February; that was before the failure OF
the bill in the House, which Was on the 2lst OF
March.
Whiting for himself, not to pc divided with any
body else? A. ! did not understand the money
was to be divided; my opinion is he kept iea; he
was strong friend OF Senator Cole. OF California.
THE EFFECT OF ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
Q. You gave him the monev because he was
strong friend of that Senator? A. Because being
friend OF Mr.. Cole he would be able to get the
earnest support OF Senator Cole to the measure;
knew that Mr. Cole would take an active part II
his friends were interested, but would not II his
enemies only were interested; Mr.. Cole regarded
the Pacific Mail steamship Company as opposed
to him, and Mr. Cole knew MIR. Whiting to De his
Trend.
Q. What was the effect Of the arrangement with
found Mr.. Cole took leading part in the matter,
and was satisfied Mr.. Whiting mad maue sats-
O. You don't know of any members who changed
their votes after the subsidy measure came back
from the Senate? A. The first vote in the House
was IN committee, where there were no yeas and
nays. The yeas ana nays were taken the last time
when the number IN the negative was about the
Q. Notwithstanding there were no yeas and nays
in the first instance you think In PROBABLE some
gentlemen changed their votes? A. heard 1t so
said, but do nor know.
q. Was 1t not indicated to you that some men,
bers would cnange tnelr votes? A. No; could
not have listened to such representations.
+ q. We're there no members OF the House who
could have been applied to In like manner with
Senator Cole A. There were no men IN the
House who had real or fancled wrongs to resent.
q. 1t was to convert Cole from a lukewarm to an
endeayor TO make clear the real and true reason
why these men charged such large sums OF money.
the witness IN answer to Mr. Beck said he knew
Whiting, but he never knew the two Writings to
have married two sisters; he dld not know A. H.
Whiting to DC Drotner.in-law OF Mrs. Cole, but ne
had heard that A. II. Whiting brother or
cousin OF B. c. Whiting. At the instance OF Mr..
dcnsed statement OF all the amounts expended by
him and to whom.
BY Mr.. Beck-was Mr.. Shaw to keep all the
$4,000 given him for HIMSELF A. Shaw was
employed by StockSey Yielded to his directions !;
! reported the amount ne was to be PAID let
everybody skin his own skunk; unders GOD that
Shaw had Information from Mr.. Cews that he was
TO be employed and Stockwe SAID he was en-
ployed.
SUSCEPTIBLE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS-
by Mr.. WOod-Did Samuel A. Hatch, Schumacher
or Whiting furnish you with lists OF members Of
the House whom they could influence A. Mr.
Hatch was the only oDe who showed a list of any
KIND containing the names OF members he could
tances we're; twas a manuscript list or roll call !;
there were about twenty marked names it ;
q. Who we're they9 A. cannot recall them.
Two or three were from Missouri and several from
the Louisiana delegation, whom he knew person.
ally. did not give HIM money to influence them.
z. Did any OF your agents report to you that
they had paid money to any members or officers
oil the House? A. No; except as to The dU0rKeeperS
Boyd and Hersey.
THE DIRECT QUESTION.
BY Mr.. KaSsOn-An impression seems to exist
that the testimony before this committee would
affect some members OF Congress- Do You know
US to trace any member or o1icer OF tue House
partakng OF any part OF the subsidy? II so, ask
$4,000 ss1' 70 stat 1" o o. none nave en-
pumped my memory pretty dry
The Witness stated during his examination that
B. IL. Cneever was employed by Stockwell Oh Mr.
Clews recommendation; Clews wrote q number
OF letters from Washington TO New York pending
the subsidy question; he asked Stockwcll to stop
this letter writing, and called Cheever into STOCK
well's room aod gave him check for $4,000; ne
then told Uheever to go and wait TIL he sent for
hun; Cheever came here ind, being iuent
talked with members; John Roach was not en-.
ployed to work FOR the subsidy but it was prom.
Ised by Stockwell, II the subsidy was voted, that
Roach should build the ships To- the company.
Mr.. Dawes closely lnterrOgatol the witness, ask.
ing nm what reason he mad Tor kee ping concealed
the names OF those he mad employed TO obtain the
subsidy II, as the witness had Slid there were no
arrangements but what were honorable The
witness answered because persons thus employed
are sensitive and because impression pre-
vailed that men who received large sums for their
services were doing something wrong.
z. Was there any arrangement that their names
should be kept secret ? A. No.
O. Then why should you have concealed their
names A. regarded 1t as confidential employ.
ment.
O. Did YOU not say at former stage Of the
Investigation that you could not nonoraDly dis
close their names why did you say SO? A.
could not reveal their names because it would
have subjected them TO scandal ma torture.
O. II they were employed ia legitimate and
honorable purposes how could 1t have been dis
honorable to disclose their nanesS A. 1t has al
ways been considered dishonoraDe to disclose the
names Of persons so employed.
O. Did they understand 1t wasdishonorable? A.
1t was inherent in the nature of our engagement;
disclosure Of their names woufl subject them to
q rigorous crosse xaminatiOn tinlr motives would