The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-01-15
BRIBERY and Broad, States
man-Like Views"
"A Humorous Lecture by
Sam Ward.
What the King of the Lobby Knows
About Lobbying.
The Gospel OF Gastronony Ex-
pounded.

WASHINGTON Jan. a. 1875
The Ways and Means Committee, resuming the
investigation OF the Pacific Mail subsidy matter to
DAY, examined G. G. Chafee, physician, residing
An Washington, ana ascertalned from his testi
mony that he was in no way connected with the
subsidy movements, received no money whatever
from the Pacific Mail Company or any agent
thereof no persons having received money except
ex-Postmaster General Randall. who alter the bul
passed, mentioned the fact to him.
Several members of the committee expressed
whereupon the Chairman mr. Dawes stated that
1t was IN consequence OF rumors which had reached
him.
NEVER RECEIVED A DOLLAR.
Gardner G. Hubbard testified that he was here
IN 1872 advocating postal telegraph; was not EN-
ployeG by the Pacific Mail Company or any agent
thereof, and never received dollar or knew OF
any money being disbursed in Washington on
their account; ne a friend OF IRWIN; met him
in California in 1869. and there received much
friendly attention from him and the other officers
OF the Pacific Mail Steamship Company; ne rem
dered the movement for increased subsidy in
1872 some and, because he believed 1t to be very
important object for the welfare OF the Pacific
coast and OF the entire country but he gave this
assistance casually, by expressing his opinions,
and from no mercenary consideration whatever;
heard recently what large sums of money had been
expended. he was very much surprised that he
got none.
"A BROAD. sTATEsMANLIKE VIEW
James G. Berret, lawyer and ex-Mayor OF this
city, was next examined. He testified that Irwin
employed him as counsel to aid IN presenting the
strong points OF the case; he received retaining
fee OF $1,000 and at TWINS request carried re-
taner of $500 Sam Ward; subsequent TO the
passage OF the bill witness received from IRWIN,
per Charles Albert, $500 more, making $4,000 in
all which was divided as follows:-$4.oO0 to
Samuel Ward, $4,000 TO himself and $4,000 to his
brother, Joseph II. Berret of New York, who as
sisted him by making inquiries &C.. as to the con-
ditl0n Of the bill from time to time: witness was
satisfied that the measure would pass, and that it
ought to, as the matter had been commended to
Congress three or four times by the President of
the United states and by the Postmaster General,
subsidy already granted had been more than re-
turned by the lmpost duties arising out OF tne
raj members OF Congress about 1t, Governor
Swami OF Maryland among others.
q. Did you convince hlmf A Oh, he was already
convinced; he took broad, staresmanlke view OF
the question, Ike mysel.
Witness, in conclusion, swoIe that his relations
with the movement were purely professional. and
were not at all disguised.
HOW SAM WARD WAS RETAINED.
Sam Ward, famous Tor his grand entertainments
and cornwall qualities, was the most amusing and
frankly spoken witness that has yet helped TO en-.
hven the proceedings OF the committee. His teS
tlmOny follows
By Mr.. Kasson-I suppose you were summoned
IN consequence OF your name having been ascot
Ared IN connection with the distriuu tlon OF money
10r the Pacific Mail subsidy9 A. received SUBJ
3ea. about an h0a' ago. particulars not sps'''
O. Therefore, the committee desires you to
state how much money you received In connec-
fion with the Pacific NAH subsidy ? A. think it
was after The first failure OF the measure In the
House that Mr.. Berret called at my rooms one
n faRn n a n n
seelf would accept retainer TO help this SUBJ
sidy along; asked hun how much; ne said $500.
and 5000 contingent on success; | SAID, "Au
r1ghf - he sent to me that afternoon next
morning check for $500, signed by a gentleman
days after Congress adjourned l agreeaDly
waited upon by Mr.. Berret, who said to me.
81 600 paid; shall we insist on more Y' SAID 'NO
Let take what We can get, 1t is all right;'' he
handed me $500 III bills, aud went to New York
that same night.
ii suppose it is unnecessary to ask you II you
retained all mat sum ana applied 1t to your own
use : A. did must say tnat 1t was very lib
eral compensation for the moderate amount OF
work which that subsidy seemed TO require.
z. State the nature or the services rendered by
you. A. Simply stating on all OCCASIONS where It
was proper to do so that was In favor Of the
q right to say tnat, because as an old Californian,
having sailed often on those steamers, had sort
OF friendship Tor them l thought well of the line;
thought that 1t was national undertaking, that
eur shpbuilding was going TO the dogs, and that If
these snips were to be built In this country 1t
would give impetus TO iron shipbuildlng
though that subsidy to the Pacific Mail Steamship
Company was proper thing, particularly as the
the English governm emf and had attained colos-
sal success: wanted to see the American nag Fly.
ing again on the seas, and would have helped
the Pacific Mail Company without one penny OF
SAM AND HIS INFLUENCE.
Q. You used all your influence secure the
passage OF the subsidy? A. Certainly; there was
not mnch time 70 act; only fortnight, think;
because that clincGed my determination to do
what could for what regarded as great ma
q. Do you know OF any other sum OF money
being paid to any parties Tor their services IN pro-
curing that subsidy A. | never heard or any, and
unul was surprised the Otherday by Mr.. Aberts
list which saw In the star, l never knew who
was In the combination; / did not know that
there was any combination, except that found
she people generally were very iavorably inclined
toward the bill; did not Know Mr.. Albert; had
never seen him to my knowledge; 1 never saw
Mr.. irwin TIL the day the vote was TAKEN when
saw pa'e man standing around this corner and
was told that 1t was Mr.. IRWIN.
u My question was, II you know OF any other
sum of money being paid, directly or indirectly, IN
might nave been at liberty TO suppose that tue
whole thing was confined 10 Mr.. Berret and my
SELL
q The $500 which You received was paid by
check A. Yes; payable to my order on the Metro
pontan National Bank, OF this CITY,
q Do you know OF any money being paid to any
memner, officer or employe OF either house OF Con-
gress ID connection with tna subsidy A. NO, sir.
LIVING on OXYGEN.
Mr. Beck nave heard ~ suggested that You
had remarked That there was great deal OF DIM
culIy in a gentleman living IN Washington on the
oxygen oil the atmosphere, ana that gentleman
was Obliged to do something.
WItness-Tnis business OF lobbying, it is
Called Is as precarious as 1sning IN the Hebrldes;
you get all ready; your boats go out; suddenly
there comes a storm and away you are driven;
everybody who knows anything about Washing
ton knows mat ten times, ay, nifty times more
measures are lost than are carried; but once IN
while pleasant little windall or this kind recon-
penses us, who are always tolling here, ior the
dIsappoln tments OF tue session; am not at all
Idp moi haf "A n L n
not at all ashamed of the occupation; It Is very
useful one; IN England IL rs a separate branch OF
The legal procession; there they have parliament
ary LAWYERS who do no other business; there the
committees SIT all day TO hear these lawyers, and
they SIT In Parliament all night; whereas mere the
committees are only allowed to SIT Tor an nour
and a nalf and so IL IL very nard to get through
4. 900 pills In q session; the dsappon tents are
much more numerous than the successes
KNOCKING SANS "CoNTINGESTsp AWAY.
i have had many very pleasant contingent
Knocked away (laughterl when everything APP