The Indiana State sentinel. [volume] (Indianapolis) 1868-1895, 1875-06-17

AFTERNOON. From seventy to eighty persons
were engaged In that room about the sprlnx
of 1874. l think Ida FaWkner was one OF
them, and was since have been In tne w
stitution, living there when / went there
She slept in the dormitory; there were rom
TWENTY-FIVE to thirty inmates In that room.
They had separate drawers and wsrdrobes
for their clothing. She slept there for the
last two years had charge. don't know
whether she had or not before. AS TO the
location of the room before alluded to, there
is one hall running north and south. and
one running east and west, that is, they
cross Valentines room was on
the hall running east ana west
The sick room is on the same floor, and three
or four steps led up into the corridor. The
dispensary was right across. 1 cont re-
member who the inmates of the dispensary
were in 1874. One of the nurses last spring
or June year ago was my sister, Alice Per-
kins, who lives here now. Mrs. Deborah
Donnell was the head one, but don't
know where she Is now. She LETT last June.
She has been there since / was. Since she
has been gone / don't know Of anybody hav-
ing correspondence with her. She was from
the city here, but / don't know where she
went to. / think she lived on Washington
street. do not know Of her having any
kindred here. She had an acquain-
lance. Mrs; Riley. L don't
know any other person with whom
married woman when she came here, but /
do not know her husbands name. He was
here when she entered the institution, and
got back before she went away. 1 don't
know what business he was engaged in, nor
do know how long he remained when he
came back, and / do not know
where her husband came from
when he came back. She didn't belong to
any church. 1
TALKED A GREAT DEAF, ABOUT IDA FAWK-
with Mrs. Donnell, during the time she was
head nurse. in the spring of 1874. 1 don't
know that there were any others present
at such conversations. i don't know of
any other nurses but her and my sister,
at that time. 1 reoolIect having converse
ton with my sister Alice, with reference to
Ida Fawkner. before the vacation OF 1874.
don't think Mrs. Donnell was present. don't
remember of having had conversation with
the matron, Miss Taylor, as so frequently
talked about the girls that 1 can't recollect.
Q. by Mr.. Dye: Will you tell the board
what you told Miss julia Taylor, that Miss
Donnell told you with reference to Ida
Fawkner's going into the room of Valentine
in the spring of 1874? General Harrison OBJ
jected, observing that he did not know by
what rules of evidence the board was
to be governed, but such a question would
be intolerablein any ordinary Investigation
In reply Mr.. Dye remarked that if the fe-
male pupils of state institution visited the
bed rooms of male teachers, it is a fact that
should be known. 1t IS a fact that affects
the management of the institution.
If it Is false, that fact would
appear, and there need be no
apprehension by the management as to the
result of an inquiry into it. OF course, If it
is not fact it can't be shown. II it is true
that such state of facts exists in the insti-
tuition, it should be shown whether
MRS. DoNNELL COULD BE PRODUCED
or not. She shall be introduced if her place
of residence can be ascertained,
and it will be strange if
she can't be found somewhere on the CONT
nent. Gen. Harrison thought the only
tendency of the testimony would be to show
that McIJtyre had neglected to look after
these things. Mr.. Byfield regarded the in
vestigation as being one into the manage
msnt of the institution. If things have gone
wrong, Mr.. McIntlre, as the head of
the institution, could not shield
himself from the consequences thereof.
The rules that govern the admission of evil
dence in the courts can't be adopted in this
case. Everything tending to show misman-
8gement Is proper to be admitted. Mr..
Jameson, chairman OF the board. said they
had not yet fully made up their minds
upon this and similar questions that might
arise. 1t seems to majority of the board
that the question is not COM
petent as giving the investigation
too wide a scope. We would like to take it
uuder advisement. To this arrangement
counsel assented. and the Interrogation of
W tness was resumed, she responding in
substance as follows: The only ladies in the
institution with whom / remember having
talked about Ida Fawkner's conduct prior
To- he W. rnu eio
ter, Miss Taylor and Mrs. Donnell Ida al
most always stayed in the sewing room IN
til 5 O'Clock in the afternoon during the
last two years she was there. Sometimes
she got out before five o'clock. / scolded
her for il, for she carried the keys and took
charge of sweeping the sewing room after
five O'Clock, having three other girls to do
it. did not know where she went. She
was absent several times in the fall OF 1874.
I think l reported her absence to the ma
tron once. / don't know what time she
returned. She had my keys but returned
them to another grill l was not there when
she "n,a locked Led up her Sometimes mstn sndI
would return, but not always.
never noticed about her changing her cloth
ing, when she lett on such occasions. L had
her searched for the evening I complained
to the matror. had Der hunted for through
the institrtion. don't remember what girls
i sent. Inc I1dtIOn dlA6TWdIu lOlQ me Jldi
she Ida) was in the library with her uncle
L don't remember the date.
1 SENT SEVERAL GIRLS AFTER HER
that time she was absent, three oil
them girls from the sewing aoom. 1t was
the time 1 communicated the fact OF
her absence to Miss Taylor, and Just before
vacation. 1 don't remember whether
Ida came to supper that night or not. 1,
was in the evening nearly six O'Clock, il
was dark / noticed. l saw Ida Fswkner
that evening the search was made before
she went out, just few minutes before.
Ida was not absent before o'clock that
can remember. ! only remember of having
her searched for that once, though recol-
lect of her being absent oftener. Idon't re-
member that anybody found Der as the re-
suit of that search. / don't know where
Valentine was during that time. 1 don't
remember of his coming to supper that night.
I do not remember OF Ida coming to supper
with the other girls on that occasion. j
don't recollect very many occasions when