New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-03-18
dye Neilson-It is very proper, Sir.
THE TILTON-HALLIDAY-BE INTERVIEW.

Mr.. Shearman-Mr Hallluay, 90 you Telnempel
interview that you had with Mr. Tton in November 1871
A. do, very distinctly.
O. VIII you state what day. and at what time OF day and
where that interview held A. 1t at my house u
Hicksst Monday morning, the 18th OF November not
earlier than quarterpast nor later than hapas nine o'clock
O. Who present at that interview a. For the hrstew
moments, Mr.. Tlton and myself only.
@ After that whoY A. After Mr. Mouon had been n-Mr
Ton had perhaps five minutes Mr. George
Bell called me- and introduced into the room where
we were.
@ Now will you state what took place that OCCASION OF
only the presence Of Mr. ton' A. After Mr. Bell
had finished the object least had spoken to me OF the OBJ
jec upon which he had called he turned to CO. Mr. Tton
sad George, don't CO." Mr. Bell looked at me as, though
not speaking nqurng by the expression OF his face
he should remain answered. Certainly, II Mr. Tlton de-
sires it," Do you desire to state the conversations
O. Proceed and state conversation. A. Before Mr. Til
ton-Mr Bell in Nj Tlton had said about this, and
think scarcely moe "Mr Halliday have called at the re-
quest Of my friend Frank D. Moulton to speak to you-
can't tell certainly whether he said speak to you or whether
he said "to contradict the Woodruff scandal" When Mr.
Bell had down remain at the interview he repeated III
substance Mr. Bell and myself again, what he had ALREADY
said TO me- lie commenced very deliberately and continued
so to speak of the scandal saying that entirely untrue
without shadow OF truth, closing what he had 10
remember but little said about this subject after nc
used these words at just false would be Tor me 10
90 over TO New and say the in front OF Mr. Hal
ays house is covered with 500 flags, representing all te
nations of the earth pointing with his finger to the tree as nc
sat upon the soaponn with his finger to the tree In front
Of the house.
Go on what else occurred? A. cannot repeat very much
more Those were words that struck me so particularly
or very particularly least in connection with that part OF
his conversation After perhaps talking about ithee were
other things said that recall may recall then ana
shall be glad TO speak Of them II l can. q
@. Was ANYTHING said by you? A. don't think said
SINGLE word at this period Of the conversation.
NJ. hoHa napVN
" in regard to the woodha scandal he said can't be positive
as 10 the words but equivalent saying: all
nv case against Mr. Beecher My wife as pure as the sh
think he added ask Mr. Beecher he will tell you that she
is as pure as god as pure angel" am not positive;
think he added words the other phrase Then he COM
menced series OF insinuatlons against MI Deeene
Mr. Morris-Wel!
Mr. Shearman-Giye the substance. A. cannot.
O. As nearly as you can? A. | cannot
Mr. Morris-We TO strike that out
Judge Neson-Yes.
The Witness-I sad-nay say, your Honor don't know
whether it is poper-that said nothing at that stage OF the
conversation There were repeated efforts my part and on
Mr.. Bells part TO get
Mr. Beach-These general declarations Sir, objctto.
Judge Neilson-I think that will do.
Mr. Morris-Beer answer questions
Mr. Shearman-s that all that have to Fay about that
interview A. have only say that he would not specify
any charge
Mr.. Fullerton-One moment moment!
Mr. Shearman-Dd you ask him TO specify charges! a
did.
O. What did you say to him on that subect' a. ldoh &c
member the language that used
O The substance A. But repeatedly tried to get him to
specifv something against Mr.. Beecher
Mr. Morris-I object to that
Judge Nelson-The practice Is
Mr. Morris-I move strike that out.
Indie MISUNDERSTANDING To state the conversation in
the words the witness remembers, and not then 10 give
the conversation in substance, as yon remember H.
Tho Wtness-Mr Tton said distinctly that Mr.. Moulton
bod documents corroboraye all that he insnuaing
AGAINST Mr. Beecher and referred me to Mr. Mouoh desiring
90 and see Mr. Moulton and get sight Of these Mr. Bell
smoke ND and said "Mayn with Mr. Halliday and see Mr.
MoultonY" Nj Bell said, mo" Mr. 1Iton said no. DC
won't want to YOU but he Will show them 10 MI nam
day."
O You have stated all that you now ecoe OF ths CONVEX
sations A. All that | recall at this moment
A.. that Won can recall without suggestion. Was anything
said about the Woodruff scandal being fabrcaony A. lie
smoke OF IL as such Now can remember since tha question:
was asked something that he said in the other part OF the
story while he was making these insinuaons 1t was in
reference this Woodruff story or rather in reference 10 the
life OF Mrs Woodruff" He began TO make an apology for
writing the life said that he did that for the purpose OF
keeping Mrs. Woodruff still
O ANYTHING more said about that, the Woodhul scandal
eiherY A. don't recall anything more at the moment
Was ANYTHING said about his surprise when II appearcd'
Yes Sir; he said that be was away campaigning in New
smnsre when that made its appearance and that when
came to light utterly asOunded and that he saw Mr.
Beecher on the morning of his from Hampshire at
Frank Mouons house and expressed to him his surprise and
m sorrow at its appearance and offering do anything that
he coud 10 counerac the influence the effect OF the scan
dali and said in addition that he sat down and wrote re-
member RIGHT three notes Mr. Moutons library for publ
cation One answering the purpose another was written
and then another and that that note was shown counsel and
by their advice it never was published
O He did not mention what counsel perhaps' A. No, Sir
at one
tho name: yes at that interview he would not give me the
Of the counsel
O hid Mr. Tion in that interview, in the Of what
Won have described his nsnuaons in any aese that
Mr. Beecher had committed adultery!
N, Fu,leron-Onc moment; one moment
M shearman-Well this is 10 show negative.
Iuace Neson-Ask him IL he said anything that sub
NJ, sbearuan-Did Mr. Triton Say anything the subject
~ adultery il no, what A. The word adultery was
not used spoke of the oense that Mr. beecher had
committed as comparatively venia for he spoke OF 1t In this
100 no said Mr. Beecher was coward he would 60 10 the
hh have little courage and 60 the church and state
what occurred that thing could be settled at once that the
church would not hold anything against him. that they would
forgive him; he spoke Of 1t in this way
M, Mors- object your Honor please to the witness
cbs-acerzinc the language The word "yenai IL not q
n,o,er word / move that 1t be stricken out
Mr. sbearmanI TO that That is perfectly proper
Mr. Mors- prope, the witness should give the Ian
cuspe but is it proper that he should characterize i'
.Judse Neison-No; the word is not necessary
Mr. Morris-he jury will draw the Inference move that
that be stricken out-that word.
nde Neson-The word Is not necessary TO the understand
ing Of the statement the statement is sufficient Strike ta'
word out
Mr. Morris-The remark object to is that he spoke Of
Mr. Beechers oaense being comparatively venal move
that those words be stricken out.
Judge Nelsos-Thcy are They not necessary 10 the
statement Of the witness.
Mr. Ryars-Counse will be good 10 Vet understand