The star. (Cincinnati [Ohio]) 1874-1875, 1875-04-21

@. Now, repeat the question-If the
thouglft fitted through your mind that
the 50, 900 savored of blackmail, why did
you pay the $5,OOOp A. Because l did
not think that savored of blackmail?
@. You told me moment ago that II
you had had an idea that any of those
sums savored of blackmail you would
not have paid them at all? A. did not
think they did SAVIOR of blackman until
after they had been paid.
@. Very well; the $4,000, after 1t was
paid. you thought savored Of blackmail
A. No, did not.
Judge Neilson-His statement Is that
1t did not occur to him until after $4,000
was paid.
Mr.. Fullerton-Well, then, it did occur
to him.
Judge Neilson-But how long after
wardP
Mr.. Fullerton-After the payment OF
$4,000, and before the payment Of $1,000.
The witness-That does not appear.
Mr.. Fullerton--It does appear. l put
the question to him three or four times
how 1t happened that he paid the $4,000
after he thought that the $4,000 savored
of blackmail, and his answer has invari-
ably been because he didn't think that
the 1000 did SAVIOR of blackmail. That
Is his answer, over and over again.
Mr.. Eyarts-That is not his answer.
Mr.. Futierton-Well, l will put the
question 10 him again. Mr.. Beecher, did
it occur to you, or did the thought occur
to you,or come to your mind in any way,
that the $4,000 savored of blackmail be-
fore or after you paid the $4,000. A. The
$4,000 that l had paid to Tilton?
@. Paid to Moultonp A. Not under
that designation.
@. Under what designation A. ]
don't think the "blackmalW came to me
until after the committees investigation
in 1874.
@. Thai is the first timer A. I did not
put that name on it, but 1t was put on 1t,
and ! spoke of it, because we were coun.
selling upon the subject at that time, and
I called it by the name that I heard II
called by.
@. 1t never occurred to you that pay.
ment of the money which gave you SO
much JOY in 1871 and 1872, as-blackmail
until you had lawyer to tell your A.
was fought with actually, and beaten
into the use OF the term. l defended
Moulton up and down, and said that he
had no thought OF that; l said would
not believe it of him, and it was in the
subsequent conference l was made
then told me that was green.
In answer to the question whether he
now thought Moulton had levied black.
mail upon him, the witness answered
that he was s'afraid he had" He said
"Moulton made such an impression on
me that to think evil of him is the hard.
est thing 1 can do, and, therefore,
thought-when l am brought up to the
facts by others, l am constrained to say
that it looks like 1t, yet when am
left to myself my other thoughts
often get the ascendency. My impress
sion is grounded upon the theory that
upon such man as l am the way to
levy bfackmail is not to intimidate him,
but to work upon his kindly feelings,
and that by such delicate touches my
that generosity was weakness OF mine,
and so the money was obtained by mora
lblackmall."
+, @. Is that the way the lawyers argued
lit with your A. Yes, sir.
@. The way they beat you intoit A.
Yes, Sir; the way they rubbed it into me,
4 Laughter.
@. The way they fought you up ana
down? A. Yes, sir; fought me up and
down until surrendered.
@. How long did the battle last before
you surrendered? A. 1t lasted a good
while.
@. How long? A. 1t ran through weeks
@. And when was the complete victory
obtained3 A. l think it was since 1 re.
turned from the While Mountains.
October, 1874.
@. Then you gave up2 A. Well, gave
up to this effect, that l did not say in
their presence any more That it was not
blackmail.
O. How? A. I had been so suitably
disciplined by them that did not dare
to say in their presence that it was not
blackmail.
Q. They intimidated your A. Well,
yes, sir.
@. They treated you worse than Moul-
ton did, didn't they? A. A great deal
worse. [Laughter.l
Mr.. Fullerton read at the close Of the
session an extract from Mr.. Beecher's
sermon of October 4, 1858, in which he
said: II do not think we are bound TO
confess crimes in such way that they
will overtake us ana fill us with dis
may and confusion and destruction,
and not only us, but those who
are socially connected with us. II
your conscience is aroused, and you have
committed crime, your iirst step is to
cleanse your hands and feet from all par
ticipation in any wrong, and before con-
Tossing the act itself you should take
counsel, and find out wise counsel" Mr..
Beecher said he did not distinctly recol-
| ct the sermon but thought the doctrine
expressed was sound.
Mr.. Fullerton-ro 10 Judge Neilsonl-
There is not generally much done, sir,
after the sermon, but tne benediction.
Judge Neilson-[ 10 the jurors]-Will
the jury get ready TO retireP
The witness-There has been no c0llec-
tion taken up.
The Court, rt,adjourned.
The decision of Vice Chancellor. Ma
Inns on the application to wind up the