The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-04-14

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GENERAL DRNIAL or CRIMfSALIrY.
u In the early part OF THIS examination when |
brought these matters 10 your attention down 70
December $780, III relation 70 those parties, | IN
CURED ofyou whether there nad been any improper
relatlons between Mrs. Tiltou and yourself nov
ask you whether since tie 1st q December. 1870.
and 10 - the commencement Of this SUR, there
milton and yoursell3 a. None AZ all
Y Dia you ever ask any improper favor rom
.. Have you received any A. Never.
" Have you had any sexual or earnal inter
course with her from the period nave named A.
Mr. Evarts-wln the sleuographer read the last
few questions have asked
Mr.. Andrew DevIne, one Ol the Official stenOgra-
piers, read the questions az asked.
Mr.. Evarts-Now. Mr.. Beecher, 1 win ask you
this Observation-Disclosures from your nrst acqualnt-
ance with Mrs Tton until tue present, YOU nave
ever had any Improper relations with her, or re-
woman TO grant, or whether you nave ever asked
her Tor any A. No, sir; ! never have There
answering 20 anything implied or stated In your
question. This answer produced In court dis
tnct murmur OF approval out there was no at
tempt AT actual applause.l
q. Mr.. Beecner, Mr.. Tlton was asked this gen.
eral question: ~ the close OF MS direct e1amlna-
uon-"Now want % ask you t1ls general qdes-
ton, whether, nom first TO last Mr.. Beecher ever
denled criminal intercourse with Mrs l1lton" and
he answered Mol ask you with reference to
that question and that answer, whether Nj. TIL
ton ever used 70 you or IN YOUR presence any lam
Ruage OF accusation or lmputatlon or animation
that there mad ever been criminal IN tercourse be.
tween yourself and Mrs, TilonY A. He never did.
q. Now, the answer uT Mr.. TltOn proceeds with
this statement:'l would ike 20 amend my answer
IN regard 10 that by saying thai wnen Mt. Beecher
spoke or IL he always said that the crlmnanty at
rac 10 him alone ana not 10 AIRS. I1lton, or in
sisted that she was not 70 blame" Did YOU ever
make any statement OF that kind or enect In
nection with any accusation, lmputauon or in
umaton or criminal Intercourse between NourseI
and Mrs. Tllron or in any answer that you made
TO any such accusation, mputatlon or lntlmatlon
A. No, sir, l never ala.
q. Mr. Moulton was asked at the close OF his re-
question, ana II Is tnls-ln any OF the converse
lions your attention was called 70 on cross
examination by rhe other sldeh-conyersatl0ns
between Mr.. Moulton and Mir. Beecner-''ald Mr..
Deecner ever deny MS sexual intercourse with
Mrs Hilton ~ Now. sir. did Mr.. MoultoH, IN all his
Intercourse with you, or In any OF mis- conyersa-
tions wItn YOU on the subject OF your relations
nected there witn tnat formed topics Of eOnyersa-
ton between you. at any time maze any accuse
ton, or lmputauon, or intimatlon OF sexual inter-
course between yourself and Mrs. Hitons A. lie
never did,
THIS ended the direct examination, ana at ten
minutes past twelve o'cocg Mr. Fullerton began
THE cRos5-ExAMINATIoS OF Mp. BEEcHER
The witness SAID When the Biole was pre-
sented TO me OH tile STAND declined 10 swear
upon II and swore with upiited hand.
q. Has that been your custom A. Tnere has
until this suit began. except TO swear to a docu-
ment, and then always swore with the upliited
hand
Q: Did you appear before the Grand Jury. sir ?
A. ala.
presume did; do not recollect distinctly that
l qua. but presume did.
Q. You ana not then state you had conscientious
serupes 10 be sworn upon the Blole a. | nave
no recollec elton; have no recollection whether
was then sworn on the Bible.
q. WHAT we're your conscientious scruples when
you were asked TO take the oath Oh the Biole A.
IL ana not hapqen TO me until after mad come
into court, and heard the various witnesses, TO
examine INTO the Oatn, AID when came to swear
ielt was unwilling " swear except by that form
cinary sense; to swear by God and not by any
lower symbol OF the divine presence.
q. Do you know now you swore 10 that docu-
ment A. What document, SIR
@. / refer 10 your answer IN tnis case. A. 1 DO
not cake your meaning, SIR.
q. In the tnat you put 10 In this case, did
you not swear on the Gospels when yOu affixed
your name to the papery A. ! think not; recol-
recollect swearing on the Gospels; canuot re-
collect the form OF the oath; have recollection
ol every form, but cannot recole the form IN
which took the DATA; took the oatn IN New
Hampshire, ana whatever was the form OF oath
there suppose II was admins cred TO me accord
ing 10 that form: my wife may nave gone South IN
toe early part OF January. ISL
q Don't you recoAect Mr.. and Mrs. Ttlton met
your vie IN Florida IN January lsTlY A. MIR.
Mouiton spoSe 70 me Of meeting Mrs. Beecher ia
the south; Mrs. Beecher went out there early In
the year; Mr. Mouiton told me, In March or April,
1871, OF meeting Mrs. Beecher South, but / can't
;eu precisely the time she lelt Tor the South: n
y you let me look AT ms memorandum thIng / can
/ tell you docks at memoranduml l think Mrs.
\ Beecher returned IN May. but can't be certain;
cannot say VINO was my housekeeper IN May,
7 q. Was 1t not your sister, Mrs. Perxlnsf A.
h
sons but cannot give the date or the time
q. Was she tue only sister who Kept house for
I you during the absence oil Mrs. Beecner A. sne
q. Can you now state Mrs. Perkins did not keep
mouse for you while MIRA Beecner was IN the
SOUTH A. / cannot make anV DEFINITE statement;
~ may have been IN 1871 or 1879 but do not re-
member; my daugnter kept house Tor me one
q. When did you frst hear that Theodore Jllton
bad fallen rom the orthodox iaitnf A. 10 tnat
late period. but heard suggestions as 70 his
loose and dangerous tendencies as early as 1895.
O. Loose IN what respectg A. Loose In regard
70 MS theological views.
o. DID you hear IL talked aooatS A. Yes, as
eafIy as 1865; only thought re was going through
tnai fermentation OF mind which every good ana
ingenious man ought 70 60 through wnen his
tradluonary beliefs are changing 70 has personal
q. When dld you believe that be had got
tnrougnf A. never heard II; 1 nave heard he
was not orthodox IN hts faith. and you ask
when he got through that fermentation.
q. DId you not near tnat ne bad settled down to
inidel notIOnsg a. NO. heard that some Of his
articles IN the Independent mad excited comment
IN the Northwest.
never read the articles since they were puOisheI ;
they were giving tue idea OF the catholic notions
oi tee Independent aud the iargeness or Its CATH
ohctti, ana the comprehenslveness OF the minds
n meant 10 include, aud recolect very distinctly
saying that regarded Mr. TlltOn a. stating what
probably was true AID saic 10 expressing only
what aOnid excie the pre- udices ana the alarm VT
q great many good men; thought MS sentiments
unsound as sentiments 81 poncy; IL vas ques.
tion ~ the policy OF the paper did nos think
the criticisms or DIR. Edward Geecner SOUND,
because ms crlticlsms Tell upon me: he thought
was responsible Tor the paper 70 q degree; I'D
not approve Of the criticism, so FAR as any con-
nectiOn was imputed 10 me; 1 do not recol ect
now that ever met IN the Independent or mad my
notice brought to any article IN that paper dis
cusslng doctrines opposed TO me; do not recall
any articfe except that wnicn | criticised on tue
ground or the righteousness OF the conduct OF
the paper or partial or Unfair statement OF
truths which thought he could nave stated c0n-
sclentiouzy better had an impression that what
are called tue rigorous orthodoxy OF New Eng
la md fue Urf nd gf orr ~ Qf Nj
oppOs ed 10 Mr.. Titon, ana that there was gro -
ing disavor 70 has teachings, that was my gen.
etal impression: | had an imuression that the
more Vigorously orthodox we're stl being set
against him, aud that Mr.. Tilton was being taken
up by what was called the progressive wing OF
tne Church; I should not nave SAID that
thought him 70 be q safe pubic teacher
on dOctrinal matters, Dut from the lime
he assumed the chief management OF
the hideDsndent In 1894 or 1885 Gid not think OF
bin tue lignt o. dOctrnal teacnei; thought
OF him n the ilght OF one VINO applied ethics 10
NranLLcal lie. nnLtnr nL the LlLnelnLL l.nL.