The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-07-27
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Mr.. Maebner-Or 10 General Merritt, one OF the
Capitol COmmissiOnersi
Mr.. Nolan decline 20 answer
pause ensued. after which Mr.. waehner re-
turned TO the charge.
NoLAN's PRESENCE IN ALBANY.
Albany
bany.
Mr.. waehner-who introduced MIN to your
Mr.. Noan-That don't remember.
Mr.. Waenner-Dld you see Frear Immediately
after tne passage OF the blll IN me Housef :,
Mr.. Noan-My recollection is that wasn't IN
Albany at all when the bill passed the Assembly.
Mr.. Avord-Why, you testified tnat you were
there 70 watch the progress OF the Dill ana as the
bill was passed three minutes after It's tntroduc-
tiOn, you must have been there.
Mr.. Nolan smiled and gave no answer.
Mr.. Waehner inquired as to who suggested 10
the witness 20 go TO Mr.. Frear and ask nlm'to III
trOduce the oil, whether iL was a member OF the
Legislature or a professional lobbyist, but could
get no Information. 'Wnat Mr.. FreAr did he did
In mis- yea for the public good, y Nolan declared
gone lnto, whether the one patriot had been IN
the other patrons room in the Delavan House
but even rom this uuimportant mystery Mr..
Nolan did not choose TO lit the veil OF secrecy.
A TIcKLIsH QUESTION.
MT Waehner-In this proceeding, Mr.. Nolan, are
you not trying 10 shield other parties VINO par.
tIcpated with you IN the profits
Mr.. Nolan with ulconceaied embarrassmenD-
l decline To answer.
Mr.. WaeRner-Are you not trying to shield GEN
Mr.. Nolan pn the same wsyl-I decline to
Mr.. waehner-would you not have regarded it
as q dishonoraOle part In General Jones, the Post
master OF New York TO procure YOU his employ
ment OF anecing legislation Ia Albany
Mr.. Nolan declined again, and was then asked
about the TRANSACTIONS IN 1872.
NOLAN's HARVEST IN 1872.
Mr.. Nolan-In 1872 bill was introduced to raise
the head tax from 81 80 to 81, and Mr.. Dale re-
quested me to go TO Albany ana defeat the bill; l
was TO have percentage Tor TWO or three months
OF twenty hve cents per mead In 1872 the lnman,
National and Cunard lines composed the com
binatiOn; DON'T know whether one OF the GER
lfFas tnaz m mr. OAf
He went on 10 state subsequently that Mr.. Dale,
after his return rom Albany, paid MIN about
81, 900, and that he never PAID penny TO anybody
whatsoever TO aifect legislation.
Mr.. McGulre-l don't say mat you made the
agreement win anybody TO affect legislation, bat
did you pay any money 10 any party whom you nave
reason TO think took ulteflo. measures to AFFECT
legislation?
Mr. McGulre-rhls inference is unavoidable, that
there was division of the money-you treat II SO
yourself Now, | assume that you PAID out money
and ask you II the parties 10 whom Yeu PAID
money Went so Albany TO alect legislation?
Mr. Noan-l must decline TO answer, IS nave
already denied paying out any money.
A LITTLE JOB IN 1873.
Mr. Waehner-Haye you done any business Tor
the steamship companies since 1872?
Mr.. Nolar-ln 1873, | believe, drafted bill al !
lowing the steamship companies TO hold real es- |
tate Tor dock purposes; | appeared before the /
committee and got 500 for my services; the BIZ |
fell rI0nG through. no ever.
Mr.. McGuire-You SAID that you had consulted |
with counsel since Saturday as 10 your Liability 70 |
appear before US ana answer our questions now now
90 you OBJECT TO give tue NAME Vi INC SOuuSSl
told you tnat you could refuse?
Mr. Noian-Yes, SIT; I'd rather not give his
mr.. McGure-Did the counsel tell You that you
should decline as 1t was private concern or 1
yours, or simply because 1t was beyond the power
Mir. Noan-Because IL is beyond their power and (
also because some ofthe matters are private.
Mr.. McGure-Can lt be possible that there Is
counsel In New York VINO would call 1t private
matter when fund was raised
TO BRIBE THE LEGISLATURE,
nd we a re investigate where that
Mr.. Noan-T have denied that PAID penny to
any member OF the Legislature, and as long az
did not do that the disbursement o the money
received Is purely my private concern.
paid TO the Legislature. 1t Is not your business
decide that, but that OF the Legislature ltself, We
are here 10 investigate the true state Of these |
Things. and when the facts are laid before the
Legislature IL can Judge for itself.
have tod you already that Will not answer these
questions.
asked 20 state how much ne received altogether
from the steamship companies. On Saturday he
had repeatedly declared IL was cot over $4,000
but now he thought 1t was between $40 900 ana
$4,000 lie woula not FIX II more exactly.
DID NOLAN DO ANYTHING
Mr. McGuire-Was IL not notorious that Tweed
controlled legislation in 1S7lf
Mr.. Moan / heard so.
Mir. McGulre-Did you not know that Frear rep
resented weed in the Assembly
Mr.. NOlan-No, sir
Mr.. McGuire-Dia you not know that no bin az
been passed without the concurrence OF Frear
and TweedY
have q very poor chance. Qaughter.l
Mr.. McGuire-Now with your slight acquaint-
ance with Frear and no acquaintance with Tweed,
you certainly must know that your presence in
Albany did not anect the bill In any degree
Mr.. Nolan QaugnlngJ-I think it affected 1t
Mr.. McGuire-wen, you made no argumentP
Mr.. Nolan may not have made any formal
argument, but said something TO somebody.
Mr.. Waehner-Did you loan or present these
moneys 10 anyDody
Mr.. Nolan-I decline to answer.
MIR. Alvord-Dld 1 understand you to say that
your books of 1871 are DESTROYED
Mr.. Alyord-Well, you refreshed your memory
as regards your testimony on Saturday by memo.
randa, and, now, where do you get these memo
Mr.. NoIan-oh, found them among my
papers
Mr.. AvoTd-Didn't you Keep a double entry
about TINS matterf Naugnter)
Mr.. Noan-On, have bank book; have two
Mr.. Alvord-Oh know that a gentleman OF
your ex tenslve dealings could not long DO with
(Laughter)
Mr. Alvord-Mr. Noian DO yon still decline 10
state In what banks you deposited besides the
Union Trust Company
Mr.. Alvord (vehementy) Then, do you want
us TO 90 to the expense or bringing every bank
cashier mere besides ali the money you gOtf
Mr.. Nolan-Wel, sir, | don't know; III con-
nder the matter and communicate with the COM
miItee at some future time
Mr.. waehner-l5 ls SIMPLY a matter OF eonven-
fence; and II you were TO treat the committee
with any courtesy you viii not want as to 20 10
all this trouble.
Mr.. Moan stlll refused to bulge an inch.
Mr.. Alvord-ln 1870 you went TO Albany to get a
bill for the suppression Of emigranS swlndling
passedH
MT. hoan--Yes sir.
Mr.. Avord-General Jones, who was then your
partner, got ms partnership share, old he not2
Mr.. Nolan-No, SIT; General Jones had no snare
In tne partnership, really.
Mr.. Alyora-Did you not sit as su0-c0unse dur
ing all TIE time that General jones MAS counsel
Tor the Emigration Board
Mr.. NOlan-Yes, sir.
WHAT NOLAN THINKS or A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
Mr.. AlvorG-hOU much DAD JOu get for the Job
ia l5721
Mr.. NOsn-Not over ZOO.
Mr.. Nolan coua again give only Ms ''remem-
branceo aud not his 'pOstiyeness,p ana Mr.. AlYord
begged the HERALD reporter to notice that he mad
not sworn az the stubborn witness this time As
he did Oh saturday. Ibls abstinence Is herewith