The New York herald., 1875-12-20
BISHOP HAVEN AND GRANT.
Methodist Church Opinion Of Third Term
Nomination by a Cleric
General Opposition to the Idea from Rhode
Island to Chicago
SALT LAKE CITY OPPOSITION.

port has had something to talk aboutvz, the unwise
utterance the third term nade by Bishop Gilbert
Haven tho Preachers meeting in Boston. In order
10 get the sentiments of the Methodist preachers in
this place upon the matter your correspondent called
upon them TO day.
wnITcHEE's OPINION
The Rev. W. +. whitcher, pastor Of the Marlboro
street Methodist Episcopal church. the FIRST visited
BY the HERALD correspondent Upon being interro
gated upon his upon the Bishops remarks he
said he thought the matter had been given more pub
icty than it worth. He thought his remarks i'll
timed, unwise and altogether out OF place. He was
present at that memorable meeting, and AZ the tmo
lid not think his remarks amounted 10
my political significance He did not think
.he Methodist Church should be held
sountable for them The Bishop was head
strong and mpuls and did not know how his talks
pounded after they delivered Or. Woodruff, OF
Fal River voted against making the bishops resou.
non unanimous, and ne Of the opinion that more
you'd have done If they had have known the
ZION II has Unexpectedly caused He did not think the
Bishop popular as many would have the pubic
thlnk, but that in Boston, where he formerly resided
there we're quite number who thought everything ne
said and did just right
The gentleman referred your correspondent
20 editorial in the Chrstidn (Methodstl Adrocdfe
for this week, which the official organ OF the Metho
dists which article was not in favor with Havens
course.
In closing the interview he said;-"I voted for
Horace Greeley for President and would rather vote
for most any other man than General Grant
THE THIRD TERM IDEA
He does believe in a third term for any one. He
is settled over large and nouriShing church IN this
city one OF the attendants being Rear Admiral A. l..
Case United States Nayyl and family. He is young
man and think that when he voted for Greeley It was
REV s. LEADERS OPINION
Your correspondent called next upon the Rev. s.
Leader, pastor OF the Thames street Methodist Epls
copal church. one OF the most talented men IN the CITY
HIS views on the matter were as follows:-The
Bishop was invited by the Preachers meeting TO na-
ress them the condition Of the South, he being the
southern Bishop OF the Church. his headquarters beng
Atlanta, Ga lie bishop HAVEN expressed positive
opinion that General Grant was doing his best Tor the
proper of the South; the loyal por
lion Of the South in favor Of HIM Tor third term
those contrary opinion against his election.
Therefore he hoped the brethren would vote and pray
Tor the denomination of Grant Tor third term
Mr.. Leader thought the Bishop had right TO say
What he pleased he had a better chance of judging
whether Grants nomination would benefit the South.
he thought his remarks wer. impromptu, and were
wrought incidentally into his speech in relation TO the
condition OF the south Upon the motion of Rev. Dr.
Sherman to make the vote unanimous Rev. DR.. Wood
run If seeing the commotiOu II would cause coun-
seled moderation.
AGAINST A THIRD TERN.
When asked his opinion oil third term Mr. Leader
vas decidedly opposed TO IT, either for General Grant or
my one else He should, however vote for Grant pro-
ndng better man was not in the field.
PUBLIC OPINION.
This community. and fact greater portion OF the
State opposed to third term, and the majority OF
he newspapers, though being favorable TO Grant IN
he past, do have him reelected and
fact have expressed themselves.
cLER1cs OPPOSED TO THE BISHOPS ASSUME
TIoN IN THE DENOMINATION UrTERAScE
CHICAGO, Dec. Il, 1875
The action or Bishop Gilbert Haven OF the Methodist
Episcopal Church at recent convention Boston in
taking upon himself the responsibility Of nominating
President Grant for third term and urging upon the
people his denomination the necessity OF supporting
he candidate of his choice has had the effect to
Iuite iutter among the clerical or this faith
N and Chicago. With scarcely exception the
gentlemen the cloth who espouse Mebodism express
themselves opposed to such unwarrantabe as
sumption OF power and emphatic in their criti-
csms upon tho man who could thus pervert his Office
or pastor Of Christian flock into that of dcma-
yogue and politician. That Bishop Haven has
been unwise In the stand he has taken,
reported by the papers Of the country, Is
generally conceded by. the Methodist rcyercnds
here and that he has been guilty of great bunder
from which will be dinicut for him recover
undsguised conviction OF all who have been conversed
with upon the subject. on the other hand while the
parsons regret that Bishop Haven by reason OF his
overweenng zeal tor the President, has been led into
mistake of this kind they inclined 10 indulge in
a smile to think that anbody for moment imagine
that this sclfconstituted poicoclerica nomnator in
lny sense represents the great body OF the Methodist
Church While he is Of tho recognized leaders in
The religious faith, and stands emnently high in this
particular the shepherds Of the flock in Chicago are
inclined TO be led by his political pronunciamentos
tho right in the matter Of President
making just their individual preferences may dc
tate.
BISHOP HARRIS OPINION
representative Of the HERALD has been TO some
pains TO gather the expressions Of the Methodist
rergyrnen here tho point question: and for the
information OF the country presents them here de-
iaiL The hrst gentleman called upon Bishop
Harris who while endeavoring to Tight shy OF inter.
view, protesting that he had opinion worth making
public during course Of the conversation put him
self record follows
'Bishop Haven has merely expressed his personal
opinion, and 4 has significance whatever. The
Bishop alone IS responsible for IT, pr Vincent the
president of the body that met Boston, has rcpud.
ated IT, Methodsts, as a denomination havo nothing
10 do with politics. We are President makers
During the stood together upon side but
that was a matter Of patriotism. not politics. Az a
Church OF all shades Of political belief and IL
would be extremely unwise for us a. denomination
10 take any cannot speak for the Church, OF
course but as am concerned think the action
oi Bishop Haven unwarrantable. The matter has
sgnncaucc whatever except as the personal opinion
Of lew men.
REV DR. JEwETrs OPINION
Rev Or. S A. W. Jcwett pastor or tho First Meth
odist church sad:-"Bishop Haven is always doing
strange things, and this is one Of them He probably
felt that he doing the south service He has
aborng there and has become pretty thoroughly
acquainted with the pccularites Of tho situation.
Haven always a sort Of politician. The Methodist
denomination will not countenance the move at all
More than this the nomination has no significance" :"
JATKfNs' OPINION.
Rev DR. Jatkns Presiding Elder Of this district,
Iaid:-el can scarcely understand why Bishop Haven
should have taken this step He has OF course, tho
right 10 speak Tor himself, bot the Methodist Church
will lndorsc such a sentiment when cnuncated on
thcir behalf by individual who s generally conceded
10 be somewhat OF politician. You may rest assured
that myself do not indorse his action"
DIX ADAMS
Rcv Dr. Adams, pastor of Centenary church, Chi
rago, replied 10 the intcrrogatores Of the HERALD
representative do not think this matter IS Of much
Importance any way, and might better lot alone
Haven eccentric sort or fellow and his political
opinions will nnt influence the Church,
Egy. MR. cALDwgLIs
Rov. Mr. Caldwell Of The Ada street church. Chicago,
ssid.-"Bishop Haven might Just well stand in
The street and whistle as ~ nominate Grant for third