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New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-02-19
TESTIMONY OF JOSEPH H. RICHARDS.

Mr.. Fullerton then called Joseph H. Richards
who WAS duly sworn and was examined as follows:
Mr. FuIleron-Where do you reside, Mr. Ricnafas' A. AT
MonclaiS, New Jersey.
O. Did you reside in this city, A. les Sif'
O. During what period OF timer A. Abont ten years ago
row are you il at ALL conAected with the family OF Mr.
Tilton, A. Mrs Titon il my sister
O. Have you spent less OF your time IN booky"'
since YOU moved to Monclair' Rather less than MORE Sr
have been here seldom.
O. Were you the habit OF visiting Mr. futon mouse WHICH
You were here in Brooklyn, A. Yes, Sir
@ How frequently A. Possibly during the "noe ''e'
not to average more than once month
O. During what period A. The ten years
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THE WITNESS DEpLoREs HIS POSITION.

q. Now, at any time when you saw Mr. Beechef
ut the house Of Mr. Tfon In company with Mrs Tion did
you anything exceptional in their conduct Intercourse
sad IL so. state whatit was'
The Witness turning to the Oourtlwl you allow me 70
say your Honor that in by the exgeneies OF this
case brought 10 appear In cruel position dld not
seek this position here from dire necessity and very @
luctanty testfyng This lady is only sister and esteem
her Is all esteem our sisters
Judge Ncson-I recognize that Sir the position may be
hard but still you yield the requirements Of the case.
and what you know.
Tue Wltness-What Is the question, Sirt
CTsK TRIBUNE Stenogra pher repeated the question:
The Witness-In answering ths question don hhk caA
answer 1t justice myself unless should pnt what 81"
in connection with other things with other things that ha
heard about Mr. Beecher my long knowledge OF him what
might not be Of any SPECIAL moment aside from t'c'e
other things and may not be Of any moment at an In sI
view.
Mr. Evarts-Now II your Honor please
JUDGE Netson-The counsel will Instruct him.
Mr. Hysrts-orc witness asked what he saw ana nc pro
cees give instructions wist he not being OF uch
Importance unless allowed TO connect IL with other 'hns
he had heard
Judge Nelsou-Yhe counsel does not ask for that
Mr. Eyarts-No: but certainly have heard anything
like that from witness
Mr. Fulerton-Probably you never sawa witaes placed
such position before.
The Witness Precisely but You will place yoursed IN
my position ,
Mr. Eyarts-Oh will be able to show what your position
by and bye.
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a, IN. ALLEGED Confessional Is not that the testimony Of
mans acts II the fact that he goes to one OF the
foremost members Of his church. to man whose nrmness
and whose courage and whose independence and ruhuness
are 10 all and known TO the whole OF BROOKLYN
that he went to him for advice such question: and took
his wife into with this gentleman upon that ques
ton- not that material TO be proved submit that IL h
and submit that goes long towards breaking down
the foundation Of the which the plaintiff has put Forward
They have introduced this question Of Mr. Beechers advice
about separation f husband and Wife They have undertaken
prove that he gave such advice They have
prove by his admissions either express or tac that ne
never did anything the Now want to show thar ne
did and this Of the links in the chain to show that ana
what more shows emphacay the persons whom nc took
into that counsel and shows the sbsurd Of supposns that
he had guilty he would have selected hose 'woP~
sons Of an there were the face OF the earth.
Nudge Neilson-he embarrassment is that You inquire as TO
interviews and conversation.
Mr. Eyarts-I win limit the conversation
Judge NeIson-A conversation that has not been inquired
into by the other de and subject to control by
the You cannot Introduce Conversations except such as
have been inquired into by the other side.
Mr. Sherman may please your Honor this Is an act
OF Mr. Beecher and his words are only to be
called so they explain concede we cannot ca o
the whole with Mr. Beecher propose to prove
simply this that Beecher called in this gentleman to consult
with his wife and himself that s with Mrs Beecher and him.
self with regard to the trouble that there In Mr. Tons
consideration Mrs Tons supposed DESIRE or haf desire
or application for advice concerning the question OF
separation from her husband.
Judge Noson- think controlled by the rule that you
cannot inquire into interview conversation in respect TO
which they asked any question In their absence
do not see get that rule III was not Tor tha
rule should be very happy to hear you, OF course
Mr. Shearman-If your Honor please you have Allowed on
other occaons-you have allowed them conversations
with Mr. Ton In the absence OF Mr. Bcecher 50 far as was
necessary to meaning of act to give color to the
act There great deal Of testimony already in with which
Mr. Beecher in no way oonnecteda great deaand 1t has
admitted in order give color and form to specific act
Mr.. Fullerton-Yes. after you proved the act
Mr.. Shearman--No, not at all
Mr.. Fullerton-Yes, Sir In all cases.
Mr.. Shesnnan-It all proved on the other side am
talking OF the direct examination.
Judge Neson-Uncss the counsel withdraw the Objection
as recommend them do think am controlled by the rue
that prevents you going into independent conversation IN
respect to which they have given no evidence
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Mr. FuIlsrton-Certainly Sir. .l -s .H- Oh .3
Judge NeIlson-rn your war Mr. Bell
Mr. E,uts-t docs not come out on our esoss-exAmina
ton .. b., =. :,
Judge Nelson-No comes out In the way OF explanation oy
the witness. Id 10 l'.l ...'t. -
Tho wnessThcre or two points thai nave o'''
me dnring the recess and they arc these.
Mr. Eyarts-Your Honor will understand a objectng 70
this on the same ground that have before stated
Judge Neilson-Certainiy. .,l..
The witness-Mr Triton said In the interview whom drove
him nm p regard to the publication which insisted he ought
to makehe said that Beccher had committed On onepse
against his family These words to me very Distinctly
That Mr. Beecher had committed an offence against MS
which he declined specify or characterize or some su'
words as that lie stated also that Mrs Ton was pure
using some very strong language in regard TO that am merely
now giving you the things which remember that nAd
omitted He said besides abiding to the anticipated meeeuns
of the deacons II the deacons il the Church. want 70 IN
ves,;cae ,h thing am ready hut you had better go to Mr.
Bcecher and says willing that the Church shouo go
On then 90 on That about the substance Of wna' no S
New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-02-19
pEpIREcr EXAMINATION OF MR.. BELL.

Mr. Ful,erton--Mr Bell you spoke on your cross
examination Of havag fallen out OF the channels OF
cation after certain period What did you mean BY that OK
preston A. Did not say channels OF information o"'
O. Perhaps 80. A. That IL just what meant ..
O Well perhsps So Was that 10 consequence OF your ao
sence from the city, A. No, Sir; because aiu hV' ~
from the city until May following
q, You not consulted In regard " " 4" W."
consulted. IL.
What position did you take regard the matter prior
TO the time Of your having fallen cut OF tbs channels Oh
nation ..,,io
Mr. RyarsThat we object tothe question OF the poson
that this gentleman had taken. Is OF no consequence ~
attitude no took In the fight. II there was one
Mr. Fuerton-They have proved public sentiment IN fyn
outh Church in regard to this matter They have epoyed INC
widest liberty Of examination 10 that respect NOV" n'
gentleman fen out Of the channels OF Information aIcr INA"
propose to show why II was
Judoe Nel.onSuppose that he had expressed an opinion
upon the subject that would not be material
Mr. Fullerton 1T would, IL your Honor please IN my e'"'
tion in regard 10 this fight in the Church.
Jugde Nelson No; think not
Mr. Fucrton-If he advised certain course should DC
ton and others in the Church advised that another course
should be taken that would show the reason why ne was "o'
consulted afterwards In regard to the anair''
ud NeisonTha may to the reason; bat Is no'
important. '.,.,,
Mr. Follerton-we do not regard as very important
ITO the wncssI: You going on to state Mr. bei 'n'
beo ,yss another reason for the meeting at Mr. Halliday
house other than the disclosed Am right IN tina" a.
Another reason for meeting at Mr.. Halliday house'
O. Yes understood you to say upon erossexamhal'o"
that there was another reason for meeting at Mr Halliday
house other than the one stated by your
Mr. BeachNo understand him to say, Mr. Fullerton tat
h another reason for the ethargy Of the Church. or the
refusal OF the Church during the FIRST two weeks
Mr. Fulerton-Well, perhaps mistaken Then nave
nothing more to ask because that has boon already ek
planned
Judge Nelson-Is that all from this witneass
Mr. Fuicrop-Ttat IL all we have 20 ask
Mr. Eyars-That il all. Sir.
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ARGUMENT OF Mr.. sHEARMAN.

Mr. Shearman-May it please your Honor offer
this evidence point OF view great deal OF evidence
has been put other side show that Mr. Beecher
hsdwe was going say great deal of evidence had been
been pat Nj Beecher had kind Of candesne
relation with Mrs Tnton but Ia reality only truth
fully that 80 little evidence has been put that there barely
enough to Justify in offering rebu Il but sl
thing Of that kind put in We have alec had the
question rased-two witnesses have been asked Mr. tOn
and Mr. Mathematician they knew anything about Mr.
Beechers advising separation whether MI Beecher ever
acknowledged that he had advised separation between Mr.
and Mrs Tou. Now, propose BY this witness TO show
can that In December 1870 the very time when, accord
ing theory Of this prosecution Mr. Beecher had been
maintaining guilty relations with this lady six months accord
ing to the testimony Mr. MouOn after he had prayed for
help TO discontinue those relations the very time that Mrs
1lton was absentng herself from her husbands homewe
propose show that M called in TO advise upon
that question OF separation between husband and wife
Now Of the fret things tina, Mr. Beecher did when he
called IN TO Adyseher supposed 10 whether
should separate from her husband call for the adj
vice Of his wife and Of the foremost officers and
most respected members Of his church He called upon them
to advise upon that questions he called upon them the very
persons who Of all persons on the earth would have been
the List tAst guilty man would have asked to advise
upon that question Have right prove that this wit
nes a. believe can prove both Of these facsio prove that
Hrs Beecher called advise upon that question with
Mr. Bell then the Superintendent Of the Bethel Sunday.
school then deacon, then Of most trusted and hon
ored member. % the church. Of the most incompatible
men who would have struck down Mr. Beecher IN momeEt
ne had known him to be guty-tha he called In
is unop this very question: what part Mr. Beecher
.honld take in Quarrel between Mr. and Mrs Tlton Why
sy oease your Honor not that thousand times stronger
indirect proof ar any proof that Ia: ben Offered here S'o
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THE Tn.roN HOME A MODEL ONE.

o Whilst YOU were there, Mr.. Richards, did you
notice you did you will please state to U.s. what degree OF
affection existed between husband and the wife in that
family A. Well Sir always considered that the home OF
Mr. 1on was model in that respect in other re-
spcci-.
O. Did you ever anything to the contrary during your
visit, there A. Not certainly until the last two or three
years.
Mr. Eyas-T understand the rule II your Honor please Il
that must limited the period anteceden to the alleged
cause of the enstrangement
Judge NelsonYes
Mr. Fuleron-Prior to July iS1U-
Mr. Beach-Pnt it December. 1870
Mt Fulerton-Well prior TO December, 1870
Mr.. Eysus-,Iuy, 1870, alleged.
Mr. Fllerton-Wel made known until December,
1870
Ms E,ars-It wa. alleged be known the husband in
July, 1870
Mr. Pulcon-Wcll prior to July. 1870 To the wtness
Prior to July 1870 that the condition Of things in the
family according TO your observation:
The Witness Sir my recollection Of dates. the
precise say but should think that would be
about the time.
O. Now AS to the treatment Of his family by Mr. Tion
pro,dn. for them what you say TO that from your
observation, A. l should say generous Sir
@ And his daily intercourse in the family state whether
il was kind aicconac aud agreeable A So should state
loving kind.
a. How was he for chcertuncss IN the family A. Well, for
the part should cay rather cheerful Sir IL
anythng-fond joking AMI punning sometimes at the
pense Of otlers-lny expense sometimes
q All in good nature: 4. Yes Sir.
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tlme Of these respective calls Of Mr. Beochsr don't r.
monber any other condition but that Of good health.
Was any ots person In the psror with hom whea zoe
saw Mr.. Bsecher, and, II so. whom
Mr. Eymts-When ID
- Mr.. Beach-On aay occasion 10
Mr.. Ry1ts-On all the OCCASIONS.
Mr.. Fulerton--Yes embrace the whole.
The Witness-T don't remember her, possibly there might
have been other persons present
O. But you no. remenberf A. do not remember no.
Sir,
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rHE WITNESS ACQUAINTANCE WITH MR.. BEEcHER

O How long have you known Henry Ward
B,eeher, A should think about eighteen years Sir
o Did You see him frequently during your residence in
Brooklyn: A Yes Sir bui more often in New York City on
business matters.
0 What business matters ia New York city brought you in
connection with him il any A. was publisher OF TIE m
0,b,ad.ot Tor eight years aud there him frequently.
q During nha eight years: A. You puzzle me- Sir, abou,
dates.
O. A. near A. YOU get at tt not particular A.
should think probably fifteen yesrs ago connection with The
LDaeni ceased and por 20 that time him. probably,
duriu, The eight years prior 10 that date.
O Aud since yon moved Montclair have you him
frequently. \. Not frequently No, Sir.
Where have beea in the habit OF seeing him during
your residence IN New Jersey: A. have met him in the street
oinu aud seen him occasionally at my sister house
@ Mrs Tikou'sf 4 Mrs Tlton's; should think that
would confuse them oil, Sir.
@ How often did yOu nina at your sisters house! A.
cannot SAY, Sir.
@ Give n an estimate you can Of the number OF
time. A. Well IL would be difficult state should think
p.ohab, i've or si1 times OF those years
@ when did thai Occurdurlng what years. A. Well,
4abiy met when the family lived in oxfod-st. IL
you can give that dse Sir it will recall the time when
met him IN Brooklyn at their house.
Mr. Pullerton-Thst is already in evidence.
NJ Besch-Is62 or about 1892 think.
Mr. Fullerton when again. A. More often in Lyings
tone-st.. probably.
Y Where they resided up the time that she left her hus
band's hOnse . A. Yes Sir
= Were you there when you him visiting your sister
calling upon her, A. Wa calling upon her
O. Yes. 4. Yes, Sir.
What times In the day have you Mr. Beecher there
recoect Of eeng him there in the forenoon OF the day
don q know how often at that time.
O. How early in the forenoon, A. Probably as early a.
eleven o'clock.
u And how often early eleven o'clock have you
him there A. do recall bat time, Sir think
And when you him there at other times what time Of
the day h you remember A. In the afternoon proba
hy.
Q And where did You HMM what part OF the house
A. In the parlor Of the house, think, Sir
In every instances A don't recall any other locality
possibly ID might have been.
O State whether Mr. Beecher the house when you
went there whether he arrived after you arriyed' A.
In every instance can state went there
occasion aud found him there the others cannot
remember.
Y VIM w W. SasalsS y W. IAlaal siaIA u W
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THE WITNESS MAKES AN EXPLANATION.
The Court met at 2:l5 p. n pursuant to adjourn

ment
The Witness George Bell taking the stand addressed
the Court your Honor please have remembered Other parts
OF the interview on which was examined.
Judge Nelson-You have right to answeS.
The wltness-At what point, Sir
Judge Nelson-At any time
Mr. shearmaR-We are through on the cross-examnsion
Judge NosonTbc witness recoees come parts Of the IN
tsgusx als4ssaGS 7aS.s " sgs,
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[MPROPRIErn.S SEEN BETWEEN Mr.. BEECHER AND
MRS TJITON.

Mr. Fullerton-I will give you that chance very
SOON ITO the Wtness Now. Mr. Richards. please 10 state
you there in the house Of Mr. Ton thai was ehe
the character conduct Of Mr. Beecher ana your "
ter, A. Well Sir, on this occasion l spoke OF
seeing them in the morning-this one occasion.
called at the house and in the upper sto-the second
story think descended to the paror floor and open"d inc
door OF the parlor which closed and saw Mr bechef
seated the room aud Mrs Tton making very Nasty
motion and with highly flushed face from the position
that Mr. Beecher occupied such situation as lett an
indebe impression my mintthat Il ALL Sn relation to
other matters
O. Wha, season OF the year was that In, A. cannot recall
the season, Sir.
O. you way Of letting know whether was In the
Winter or Summer season' A d. not how can be able
to-no, Sir.
O. Can you tell the year when you tbs' A. No, Sir
@ With reference ages of the children OF Mr. and Mrs
Ton would you be able to fix approximately the time when
yoa A. No Sir cannot recall the ages OF my own
children except a memorandum carry in my pocket
O. Was as early 1867 a. don't think you can aid me-
Sir in that matter in the recollection Of dates.
O. Well was il a number OF years ago. A. Yes, Sir
O. Could you tell me whether between 1883 and 1907
A. 1t probably prior to 1870.
O. And where did Mr. Tton live at the time-where was his
residcnce1 A. In Lyngstone-st think IA is the number
O. VIII you whether 1t unusual thing 50 far
you observed paor doors should be SHUT thy were
that occasion? A. cannot state Sir; do not know
what the habits Of the house were in that regard
O. How long you been In the upper part OF the house
before you came down and witnessed this A. don't re.
member these side facts about it, simply called there in the
morning had living out Of the city usually called in
the day time
O. Can YOU whether Mr. Beecaer came TO the house
after you did A cannot say, as was upstairs
O. remember of having him your way up
starss A. No Sir
In what part OF paor the Mr. Beecher sitting when
you first opened the door About opposite the entrance
the front room about opposite the front entrance.
O. And how far Mrs. TltOn from Mr. Beecher when
your eye rested upon hem' A. Well she not far Sir in
the OF moving IOpened the door there moving
away from the position.
O. Moving away from Mr. Beecher' A. From Mr. Bsecher-
yes, Sir.
q And in what direction she moyng A. Towards the
front window
q Did you remain in the parlor any timer A. Not long ST.
Mr.. FulIerton-I believe that is all, Sir.
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DISCRIMINATION OF MIR. RICHARDS.


Mr.. Evarts--Mr. Richards were you subpenacd
here' A. Yes. Sir.
q And when' A. Hooking at SUBPOENA This dated the
18th day Of February
@ My question was when you were subp-naed-when Il
served upon your A. On that day, presume, Sir.
q What is your business nowf A. | advertising
agent
@ Where do you carry your buness' A. No 2f5 Broad
way
O. when did you speak occurrence and whom' A.
think spoke Of it first to my wife.
And when did you speak OF Of the parties 70 this
casef A | think the day before yesterday.
@. Now Sir what did you say To Mr. Beeche Mrs Tton
when You into the A. greeted them. Sir
my CUSTOM shook hands with M Beecher think who
manned seated
q Had you your sister before tlat mornng' A. No,
@ Had you the house in the usual way. without
being announced introduced TO the family at all! A. used
have free range of the house Sir far that concerned
O. asked you exactly tha, question-whehz you In
morning in the usual wayi A. That Is exactly 70
piled Sir; came in in that way.
@. The usual wayi A. Yes sir.
q And you upstairs TO your room, was 1T A
had no there Sir
Q Well what roomi A. Probably the second story front
Q With what objects A To see anyone who to DO
Q Was that snd ordinary place that you would
pect TO find your ssteri A. Yes, Sir.
O.
the bedroom you expecting to find herr A. Yes.
Sir
O. That the ordinary plscei A. The sitting room.
@ The sitting where you would expect to find you
sister amy family visitor would expeet 70 nnd eri
A. preeume
@ Have 700 said wha time OF day Els was' A. think
about II o'clock.
O. And had you any pasteslx business there only .
call A. Simply csn
O. Simply call And Immediately finding your sses
upstairs did you down to the prlor Is
may not been may have found Of the chill
there, and talked " them AIe do not remember ~
to that
O. And did Mr. Becher ave before you left the psror A.
No Sir left before be did
O. And did your sister With you did she remain
A. NV impression is she remained think did not leave
the house at once went up stair again.
Q, When you left the paros A. The paros Yes, Sir.
q Leaving your sister there A. zee, Sir.
O. And you went psirsi A. am not 10 that;
probably did; I DO not remember.
don't know anything about probably did you noii
A. cannot tell you, Sir.
Did You Immediately leave the house or 20 somewhere
the house where you had detention occupation Of
kinds A. have replied that l do not remember.
O. You do not know bat you Immediately left the house
when you left the parlor? A. Yea SIR may have done 90.
@ Bat your impression contrary A. No; have
distinct impression; II Is vague may or may not
@ Do you remember seeing sister again on that day. A.
No, Sir.
O. Then understand you far you have any know
edge you retired from thss leaving your sister and Mr.
Beecher theret A. Yes, Sir.
| Q And left the house' A. don't know as TO that
Mr. Evarts-That 10 all.
Mr. Fullertoa-wata moment want TO ask one or TIVE
| qaestious-one moment.
REDIRECT EXAMINATION OF Mr.. RICHARDS.
| Mr. Fullerton-Have you been subpenaed moro
| than once In this case, Mr.. Richsrdsi A. Yes Sir.
| ssv NlylA ReSu
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Mr.. BEECHERS COUNsELS BEFORE ADVISING
SEPARATION.

Q. Now, Mr. Bell, want TO ask you whether you
had an interview Mr. Beecher In November December
1870, A. had frequent interviews with Mr.. Beecher Nj.
Shesrman.
O. Did you have interview IN which the subject OF Mr.
Tlltons family was brought up
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Mr.. Shearman-Mr. Bell, did you have an inter
view with MI Beecher in the last week Of the year 1870 or
thercabou in which Mr. Beecher told you that Mr. Bowen
was going dismiss Mr. Tton from The IadPsnat and Uten
stories Mr. Tlton unfavorabe
his moral character the substance OF which Mr. Beeche
then stated 10 You