The New York herald., 1875-12-16

seged by the respective CONFERENCE.-The latter solicit
GUS Tor the appropriations that have been made Tor
their charitable institutions during period embracing
many and the former camorous for the abolition
Of all State aid 70 institutions and in favor OF
taxation OF church property. The Methodists have
planted themselves squarely tho principle that
! Church and State should be separate and
distinct in the most enlarged meaning OF
! the term, while the Catholics have been alleged
10 be iurtvey drawing the mcshcs tighter about the
politicians that they might in tho future reap some
| mysterious advantage from their close relations with
the higher powers Tho exciting and closely contested
| political campaign through which the State has just
passed had coupled with added significance from tho
act that the great body OF Methodsls reiomers
almost To a man. or course refer TO the Methodist
Episcopal Church proper, and not the organization
known the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. II
was boldly asserted by the democrats, and as cont-
IDENTIFY denied by the reformers, that the old Know
Nothing element, which composed to very large
extent OF Methodsts constituted the 'bone and sinew"
of the party Certain it is that the two Churches
pretty squarcly arrayed against each other and
that many worthy citizens opposed the new party, be-
they deprecated anything that savored Of mix
ture OF religion and politics.
I SPEECH
/ great magnate of the Methodist Episcopal Church
| nominating General Grant for third comes so
close upon the heels Of their previous declarations tnat
the Methodists completely paralyzcd and all
classes OF citizens, to say the least Of IT. thoroughly
disgusted The say that incalculable damage
has been done the interests of the Church upon the
of comprehensive effort for revival in religion,
while the latter point their declarations during the
campaign and say that if Church AMI State are to be
the order OF the day they can no choice between
the intolerance OF Catholicism and the bgotry OF
| Mehodsm. The strenuous cxcrtions made by the re-
formers expose the frauds pcrpetratcd at the late
| election
question each other TO the propriety OF pursuing
Their researches further ii at the end they TO lind
themselves IN league with a body OF men pledged
elect Grant for third term in defiance OF the spirit
oi The constitution aud the precedent set
by the most ilustrious OF our Presl-
dents, Such has been the general tenor
the discussions upon Bishop Havens utterances and
the whole matter eliminated to-day at u meeting
OF the "Preachers' Association" II is customary in
this city to hold weekly meeting Of the preachers
Of the Methodist Episcopal Church stationed at this
point for the OF questions connected with
the doctrine and discipline of the denomination The
local preachers and presiding elders have the privi
lcges OF the floor and visiting clcrgymcn always
heartily welcomed To-day there was
AS UNUSUALLY FULL ATTENDANCE,
among whom may be mentioned Bishop Ames, Rev.
J. q. Peck d. d. of Mount Vernon place church; Rev.
II. Stevenson, u. d., Madison avenue church Rev.
William H. Chapman, High street church and Presi-
dent OF the Association; Rev. Watson Case Mount OH
vet church and Secretary OF the Association; Rev.
A. T. Gibson, Exeter street church, Rev. W 5. Ed
wards d. d., Caroline street church; Rev. William b.
Edwards, d. d., Eastern avenue church; DIR. Il H. Nay
lor, d. d., FayetLe street church; Rev. H. n. Baer.
broadway church; Rev. JOS Is. St:tt First church;
Rev Joseph France D. D., whatcoat church Rev. $ S.
! Hartsock, Emory church; Rev. L. T. Widerman
Columbia street church Rev. DR.. Thomas Dousherty,
William street church; Rev. e. W. BALDWIN, Cross
church; I. r. Morgan, Protestant Episcopal; Rev H.
B. Rdgaway, OF the New York Conference; Rev. Joel
Brown Rev J. A. Price, Rev. u. W. Carroll Rev. J. A.
| DAVIS, and Rev. A. A. Reese d. d., Chaplain United
States Army, on leave OF absence
The question TO have been discussed, the order of
the day, the propriey OF praying Tor physical
benefits but owing the very general desire to dis
pose of Bishop Haven's case it was passed over and
made the order OF the day for subsequent meeting
A paper offered to the meeting signed by Revs
A. $. Edwards, d. d., A. Z. Gibson d. D. and Joel
! Brown which about follows, though those
gagged in Its discussion refused point blank TO allow
members OF the press to inspect It's contents:-
Whereas Bishop Haven reported 70 have made OF
Church body TO for certain issues and certain
Ss
Bishop in turning aside from feeding the flock Of Christ to
| introduce partisan matters into tho Church.
PITCHING IN
number of those present spoke to the resolution.
among whom Reys. Gibson, Price. France Carroll
aud DAVIS. The tenor OF the speeches was opposed
10 the attempt of Bishop Haven TO speak Tor the whole
men waxcd warm over the indignity that had been
offered to the organization by the i'll advised, impert
and silly action OF one Of their bishops When the
comments, by no means natering, on the conduct OF
Bishop Haven had reached that point where the bounds
OF courtesy became II were, invisbly entwincd with
the verge OF duty and motion to table had signay
failed the venerable Bishop Ames pour oil
the troubled waters. While he disapproved the
OF his brother Haven and in all Kindness deprecated
the attempt to raise question which would not down
any one's bidding he thought the of the
ing had been tested by the vote upon motion TO
table, his suggestion the gentleman offered
tho paper withdrew il from the further consideration OF
the body A vigorous effort was made 10 suppress
report the proceedings but there those present
who regarded this method OF dealing with the question
neither advantageous 10 the interests of the Church
consonant with their dignity high and worthy
officers.
INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS
In conversation with OF the reading clergymcn,
after the adjournment o tho meeting the writer dis
covered that there WAS very sore feeling among them,
and many unhcsitatngly denounced the conduct OF
Bishop Haven in no measured terms. The mildest re-
grcttcd very much the precpilancy with which he
acted but disposed believe that tire speech OF
the Bishop but the expression OF individual senti
ment and that II by no means grew out Of or was sus
taned by the preachers and teachers whom he ad-
dressed The Rev. Watson Case said. that Bishop
Haven very free and outspoken man: that he
always iearlcssly in favor OF reforms and that this
was not the first time he had drawn upon himself the
uDavorabe criticism Of the portion of the
Church His QIavens) in presiding the
Womans Suffrage Convention was more offensive III IN
this last outburst
said he did not believe Bishop Haven's address in
Boston was set speech but simply impusive
declaration drawn from him. which the time he
believed to be for the good OF the Church He had no
doubt that hall two-thirds OF the Methodist
preachers In Baltimore favorable to Grant but
they were hot disposed to say officially.
Haven had been great abolitionis and the
last General Conference the coored people wished
have bishop oi their own color. The Conference
unwilling to grant their request, but located Bishop
Haven Atlanta under the Impression that this would
be satisfactory to them. He further SAID that Haven
was the only Bishop who launches out IN that way,
careless OF tue matter under discussion what effect
1t would have upon the country, and h could not be
Justly esteemed representative OF the Board OF bishops
He thought the meeting to-day had acted properly
not coming to vote upon the paper presented that
a matter for the consideration of the Conference
said he asked himself what would be his feelings and
those OF Proteslants generally, II high dgnIary in
the Roman Catholic Church had nominated iayor-
itc candidate Tor the Presidency aud called upon the
Church TO sustain hlm. There would be an outourst OF
Indignation throughout the length anu breadth oi the
land and therefore Bishop Haven reprchenslbe in
pursuing amy such course.
EDWARDS,
very prominent clergy man IN the Methodist Church,
sand TO the that Bishop Haven haa right
speak Tor the Church ana he dIu not think there
any likelihood OF his example being followed by others