New-York tribune., 1875-03-10

view with Mrs Andrew Bradshaw, In Thompson dining
rooms in Cntonst about the Sd Of August 1870 Theo
dore ton said that he had discovered that criminal intimacy
you right-"exised between his wife and Mr. Beccher
Afterwards November 1874 in referring to the above re-
mark Mr. Tion said Bradshaw that he etraced none
Of the accusations which he had formerly made against Mr.
Bcccher" That the language Of the charge was Al
think
@ You thought that that charge embraced something more
than improper solicitations, did you not A. did not
q You didn't A. No. Sir; did not
THE BASIS OF THE WEST CHARGE INTERPRETED.
O. You thought criminal intimacy was the same
improper solcitationsf A. did think al that Tine
@ How, A did think
O. Do you think so stili A. Well think SOL thought
then
@ Wen do you think so now, thought that the words
criminal intimacy words used to convey about the same
idea As
@ About the same dea' A As improper proposals.
Q Do you think nowi A. Well am somewhat in doubt
because have heard persons say that criminal meant
different from what supposed it did
Q Well, what do you think intimacy mcant' A. Well,
thought that any person that intimate with another
person than they should be crmnaly intimate.
@ Well suppose that other person repeod them with ndg
nation would you call that intimacy A. II would depend
upon circumstances whether believed the repelng.
O. You think that when two persons together one OF
them be intimate with the other and not the hrs A. No
l don't know that could take that definition
@ wel didn't you understand criminal intimacy as imply
ing crimnaly-a mutual crmnaiy OF the two persons! a.
Yes Sir; suppose
@ Very WELL Then II the intimacy was criminal didn't you
understand that something than improper so
stOn upon the hand which by the other per
SOM A. II there had been any criminal intimacy should have
so thought.
O. talking about the charge OF criminal intimacy Do
you now Mr.. Becher think that where criminal intimacy
was charged between two persons named that that charge
be atis6e DersO M
and the other rejected f A. didn't believe there had been
any criminal intimacy.
O. talking about the fact am talking about the
charge, Mr. Becher Now you intelligent gentleman
you distinguish between the two A Will you please state
your question agani
The TRIBUNE stenographer repeated the question
The Wtness-No.
@ 1t would not meet the charse' A. No; should not
think so.
O. criminal intimacy then in your Judgment woud have
been something than improper solicitation by one per
son which was rejected by the other! A. Yes, Sir.
Q. Well, now, you understood very distinctly as under
ssand YOU you understood that they proposed Mrs Bradshaw
witness did you not prove that Theodore Tton said
that there crmina intimacy existing between Mr. Beecher
and his wife, A. Yes, Sir.
Q. How, A. l understood that
@ And didn't you understand that that was intended TO
charge cmnaity upon both' A No. Sir; Mr.. Tton had
told me that there had been officially between them
@. No, mind am talking about the West charge,
pcase A. understand you asking what believe and
am telling what did not believe it.
O. talking about the West charge that made and
read your presence A. did accept the West charge
ALL because Mr. Ton had told me himself there had been
crime committed between him and Mrs TiltOn.
O. Did that alter the character Of the chargef A 1t didn't
alter my belief.
@ Did alter the character OF the charge A. Not that
know.
@ talking about the character of the charge, whether
cha
duplicating both parties in criminaly' A Probably yes,
Sir.
O. And that charge made in 1872 not A. 1873
G. The West charge, you understood, made in 1873
A. Yes, Sir; understand; yes Sir
@. Now then may 90 step further Did You not un-
deand the charge that lie made however true however
false OF the criminal intimacy as involving charge of
adultery? A / did not
@ Well, what did you understand by criminal Intimacy
Didn't you understand that delicate OF charging
adultery. A. did not.
O. Well give u.s. If you please your definition Of criminal
intimacy you understood ii A. understood criminal init
macy, for instance gentleman visiting the wife OF another
gentleman unsuitable hours when the other gentleman
Aware Of it, and sucptous acquaintance Of ha! kind
kept up would be criminal in my estimation That was the
opinion that had formed Of it, and that was the view held OF
II criminal intimacy.
O. And you did not regard then the West charges invo
ing adultery at all? A. did not; no. Sir.
@ Well, that discussed before the Committed A.
that it 1t was discussed between &r West
and ny self, think.
@ Well what said between You and Mr. West abou,
A. Well very much the you and have discussed it,
Sir.
Mr Bcach-What was he saying,
Mr. Fuleron-"Very much as you and have discussed
it
The Wness-I expressed the opinion that
O. Did Mr. West put questions to that ycu could not
answer is that what you mean? A. Oh no.
Wei A. |
Mr. West the have expressed here That did not
CONSIDER his the fact that Mr. Tton had staed to Mrs
that he might prove criminal intimacy between Mr.
and his wife necessarily meaning adultery
O. Now what did Mr. West say' A Mr. West took the con
trary view.
@. Yes that it a charge OF adultery A. Ycs Sir.
q He made the charge didn't hc A lie made the charge
of criminal inmacy-he made the charge Of SANDER against
Mr. Tilton
Q. Exactly, with charging criminal intimacy A. Yes, Sir
O. Which be adultery A don't know that
he did construe it in that way.
O. Didn't he tell you sof A lie differed with me from my
statement.