The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-01-23
THE SUBSIDY SNARE.
Further Testimony by Richard B.
Irwin.
SCHuIAKER HIS LIEUTENANT LOBBYIST.
He Considers the 100000 a "Fair
Compensation"
SENATOR HARLAN'S SIX VOTES.
How an Alliance with Him
was Sought
WASHINGTON, Jan. ~. 1875.

M Richard B. Irwin again appeared before the
Committee OF Ways and Means to-day.
Mr. Dawes remarked that just before Mr.. Irwin
setired yesterday he was about asking him what
Mr.. Schumacher said TO him respecting an unoer-
uanding that ne was to receive 100000. Irwin
rad given him s275,0OO at one time and RENTED
10 him the balance from San Francisco.
The witness repned-An that tooK place was
Gimply He handed NJ. Schumacher a check
FOR 5000, when Mr.. Schumacher asked. ais this
right ~ Irwin replied at is, according 10 my un
oerstandrng.n Mr.. Schumacher then said, ~
thought it was to be $500, 000" Being on the point
Of going 10 California, Mr. Schumacher remarked,
"As you are in a hurry win wait Tor the remain
ms S25 600 TILL you reach California"
Before proceeding further the witness wished
10 understand what his status was before the
committee. He found he was still under arrest.
aud asked to be discharged, as he had not the
slightest intention to leave Washington Till the
committee was done with him.
Mr. Dawes informed him, in order that there
might DE no mistake, that the committee had
come to the conclusion they could not discharge
him, as they had no power to decide whether he
mad purged himself or not OF contempt; that was
Tor the House TO decide. The Se-geant-at-arms
had been directed 10 say TO Irwin that while he
would not De restrained he was 10 consider him
self only technically or legally under arrest There
was therefore no surveillance over him.
The witness said he had not the slightest com.
plant TO make against the Sergeantat-Arms, who
had performed his duty.
Mr.. Dawes remarked to the witness that the
committee had no objections 10 say TO the House
tnat he ougns 10 be discharged from arrest
MIR. sCHUMAKER's ENGAGEMENT.
In reply to the question as TO what service Mr..
Schumacher was 10 render TO entltle tim TO
100000, the witness said 1t was in consideration
Nftvfp
passage OF the subsidy BILL The understand
Ing with Schumacher was a little DIFF
ferent from that with the Others. His
compensation was larger because he
Others OF less position wanted something IN ad
vance TO go or with. The witness repeated that
Schumaker's compensation was con tingent, and
rs he was the principal person employed ne was
TO receive the largest compensation; the money
was Tor his own use there was not hing said ABOUT
extending IL In any particular way; ne asked
Schumacher how much money be wanted?
g: Wnere were you wnen you Delivered the
1 was In Mr.. schumaKer's Office IN New YORK.
Y. For what purposes A. In pursuance OF what
l thought was contract.
money was to be returnedy A. aid not suppose
that any body VINO got money would give II back;
there was nothing TO justify suca an impression
O. DID you tell him to take out his fee and then
instruct him what 10 do with the Daiancef A.
Ny answer Is a negative 10 sucn a statement
POSTMASTER KINGS FEE
~.
$780, 900 at one IimeY A. At different tunes
wrote a check at the continental Hotel, Phadel-
pnia, near the telegraph once; | frss wrote
cheek Tor $4,000, and. handing it to King, he said
there was some slight mistake; sad ]. TOO,
Mnen King SAID was worse than the hrs It
being for only Sis; when | nlled up the third
check Tor $4,000 King took 1t and said 1t was all
right.
Q. Did you have any understanding with Schu-
Known man ? A. had no understanding with
BcnumaKer to pay the money TO ANYBODY; the
money.given to schumacher belonged TO HIM, and
Q. Have you any knowledge OF Schumacher pay
ing man named smith $780, 600 In ElmOre' Is office
A. have mot: was at the time west OF the Mis-.
Douri; have no knowledge oil the transaction eX-
cept nom schumacher aud El@ores testimony;
Q. Have you knowledge OF the employment OF .
General SMITH A. No.
OF martyrs there may have oeen Smith. but do
not recollect the name In that connection.
ANOTHER MARTYR.
The witness SAID that In adoiton to the list Of
those VINO mad received money he now remem-
ecurive clerk OF the Senate the payment was not
no., only dd prnsns
statistics. when the business was enasG
mat MOTIFS was entirea to be s PAID Morrs
was Wiling 10 receive what the witness thought
Is compensation. without counting SO much
pne or paragraph. He also paid
$500 more, ana TO William moran Tor correspond
ence all over the country, keeping the pubic
mind fresh and sweet, 81, 500 more Ex-Governor
Randall received $4,000, and also s35 coo as spe
cial payment, the latter being entirely indepen-
dent OF what was paid Tor his own services. The
sum of S35 900 was not to be accounted Tor, IL
being for special purpose. When the bill nrsI
came before the House, IN March, it was defeated
by what was believed to be
A STOCK COMBINATION,
and 1t was reported that Henry n. Smith, Daniel
Drew and others were In IT.. This combination
sent to Washington numerous statements as to
what the Pacific Mail steamship Company was 60
soning irom the company Among other things
IL was said tnat the co Hpany was going 10 run a
semi-monthly line. whether It received subsidy
or not. Then SUIT was brought IN the name Of
Cnallis against StockwelI and Smith. Drew and
others were behind tue suit. TO sustain
tributed. When the DILL was before the
senate in the early part Of May there Was sec
ond STOCK combination. The same parties as the
former were reported TO be in It. stockvell said
TO tue witness. These fellows are after me
again. witness informed him mis- Information
was that Drew had sent telegram 70 a senator
20 come to New York and that the senator said ne
coni na control SIX votes TINS witness SAD, we
BUYING MEN IN THE MARKET.
Mr.. Randall informed witness that Mr.. Harlan
had received sacn despal ch and had gone 10
New YORK. and was going 70 nave his six Senators
others did not vote against the bu!. ar. Harlan
opposed the bill vigorously, hghting 1t win the
MEASUREMENTS with which ne had been furnished.
Mr. Stockwe said 70 witness, ''Well, I suppose
can settle these things Tor 100000 Wit
ness piled, al can co IL. We can 20 into mar
ket and buy their menu Stockweil asked, How
much money Will you wan,W witness replied
Thirty i've thousand dollars" THIS amount was
placed in the hands o. Randall, who, witness sup
posed, spent every cent lot That purpose.
Q. What do you mean by the remark "buyin2
their mepr
The witness said he did not mean persons on
the moor but the agents opposing tue SUBSIDY; ne
put the money In tie hands OF Randall IL was not
TO be accounted or by Randall to him; he TAD
silenced the outside opposition; lie PAID Kandah
with some oil his own money aud some that ne 70.
ceived rom MIR. Stockxell IN cheeks and money
witness paid william Moran altogether $40, 900 or
$4,000; lie thought samuel J. Hatch received more
than $50 900 In another cheek.
z. what were the duties 10 be performed Dy
samuel j. HatcnY A. ] employed him under Mr..
stockweps direction; the general character OF
tue arrangement was that ne was TO use MS III
nrence to assist IA the passage OF the BILL anougn
such precise words were not used on me OCCASION
he was tolu to 60 ahead and do what he couli ne
thought the amount altogether paid him was