The New York herald., 1875-01-28
Irwin Mentally Tortured by The Ways
and Means Committee.
A SARCASTIC RETALIATION.
He Still Denies Any knowledge of the
Bribery Of Congressman.
FUNDS UNACCOUNTED FOR.

tee OF Ways and Means to-day. In accordance
with a request made on Monday he read con-
densed account OF the subsidy lund showing that
he hrst received from Stockwell 100000. Tue IA
cidc Mail Steamship Company alleged 1t gave MIN
$4,000, but this he denied IN the absence ol
vouchers. These two sums, in addition TO
1850, 600. made total OF ss9o,0o0 The subsidy
und was included in the account OF the sette-
nent with Stockwel.
Mr.. Burchard closely interrogated the witness
regarding certain sums in his bank transactions
and the witness presented a list similar to that
heretofore given TO the committee, showing 10
whom the sums OF money were paid, with $4,000
unaccounted for.
q. Where did you give Schumaker the draft Tor
S275.ooO? A. My Impression is gave 1t to him at
his once IN William street; cannot do anything
else but prove an abb; IL is possible dated the
draft ahead.
z. When you handed him the draft did you give
him any Instructions A. The answer TO ths ques-
ton is covered In my previous testimony uld not
give him INSTRUCTIONS
q. Do you swear positively that you never paid
any money to any MEMBER employe or odicer OF
the House? A. l do, with tue exception OF The
two doorkeepers, Boyd and Hersey, whom Albert
paid for me- Witness, in answer TO an interroga-
tory coulo not tell the names OF the individuals TO
whom checks were given on tie Metropolitan
Bank OF this city or whether they were drawn by
Albert third parties; witness had met John
Roacn in New York and also IN Washington pend
ing the SUBSIDY; he met him IN the room OF the
House Committee on Commerce and In tne room
OF the Senate Committee on Post ofices and Post
Roads; Roach was working with but not under
the orders OF The witness, and was here on the
general subject Of extending commerce.
PIATTs LOAN.
Mr.. Dawes asked the question whether the wit
ness mad had any conversation vita Dom Platt
since Mr. Albert testified he paid him $1,000.
The witness replied he had; all he remembered
was he paid Piatt the money just before he left
Washington and alter the Subsidy Dill had passed
the House; Plat. had SAID he was much embar-
rassed Tor money and asked witness to lend him
the money, PIatt saying he would pay him as soon
as he could; Platt offered him his note, which
witness said was unnecessary and that he would
send Piatt the money from New YorX; it had
escaped his recollection that Piatt gave lis
note but he saw by his Endorsement that
Albert testified; Piatt asked MIN, "ls Anert
IN MS testimony gong to tel names!, p,
am sorry, ior my name is there;'' witness thought
not, but Pratt was positive IL was; witness had
Piatt then told MIN he had returned the money !;
witness informed Piatt tnat he was certain there
was no entry OF the payment on ms DOCKS. and
therefore II was al straight, but Piatt dId hot
think SO; WITNESS could not say whether anybody
came 10 him 10 pay the money; ne only knew
what appeared on the note. and from Platr5
statement before the committee his Impress
was the money was deposited to his credit IN New
York In his account with Musgrave Co.
z. Did not your conversation with Pat. refresh
your memory A. DO you not think you have got
q. Could not one OF you recall to the other the
facts pertaining 10 the payment OF the note ? A.
Piatt said Neil Thompson mad paid the note.
THE WITNESS PROTESTS.
z. Does ANYTHING iurtner occur 10 you now' A.
90 not nink t1is rs laf ,b Mr
inquiry and Is solely Ior The purpose OF annoying
me.
Mr.. Dawes-This committee Will control me in
putting questions II ask any improperly.
Witness-I 90 not remember anything but what
After further interrogatng, the witness said he
knew Nell Thompson and mad mad small private c
dealings with nin, but not anecting any anaIrs IN
q. Had Piatt said TO you anything about the
loan oI money before the subsidy amendment was
concurred in by the House a. No; loaned him
$500 previously in March or April; this sum was
paid TO me by check on the National Metropolitan
Bank.
BY Mr.. Keey-was the money you put into
Aoert's hands that OF the Paclnc Mail Company
A. 1t had been, out ~ ceased TO be the money OF
the company when it was gwen TO me; 1t was lor
any purpose thought proper TO apply 1t; all the
money received became my own; IN eXpenoing
1t ooeyed tue instructions oi Stockwell, because
i agreed 10 do so; was at liberty 10 employ any
bouy chose; the orders were gwen before the
sum was fixed the money was TO be used ia the
interest oi the Pacific Mail Company.
q. Would any refund by you be u refund to the
Mr. Roberts next closely interrorated the wit
ness, VINO said ne thought he indorsed tne note
I1att gave him at the date OF payment, July %
1872, but MS recollection was not clear as 10 the
circumstances.
IRWIN SARCASTIC.
O. Cannot you give us more Information on this
subject A. had better give you Inc names OF
nesses; IL viii rot cost more tnan $4,000 to get at
the bottom OF my private aGalrs.
Mr. Dawes remInocd witness ne was departi ng
ITnU fhA n ne
witness having been iurtner interrogated by
Mr.. Roberts. SAID he could not recollect anything
more man what ne had stated; he could not say
whether the note was PAID in San Francisco or
New York.
FOR any specific purposei
Witness replica it was not; it was merely an
evidence OF the loan OF money, and he would MOI
have cared II Piatt mad not paid it.
BY Mr.. Dawes-Dld you meet me- Pratt IN Europe' =,
Washington, New York and In the army.
RoAcHs CONNECTION WITH THE SUBSIDY.
The witness, In reply 10 Mr.. Kasson's inter:
rogatories said that J0hn Roach told him ne had
been speaking to Mr.. Shelabarger on the general
promotion OF commerce. witness was under the
with senator Ramsey In the room Of the Senate
Post once Committee.
Q, Did siockwel tell you that he had an agree:
ment wtn WITH Roach A; ne tod hIs me taas p hosoa ald
to buiic tue SHIPS OF the company II the SUBSIDY
by Mr.. Easson-Have you any Nj feeling against
JoDn Roach Have you made threats a. Not
the slightest; do not tnink ever uttered threat
against anybody; never asked Roacn to 90 any.
thing Tor the subsidy bill.
q, was stockwelt having engines built on the
CLYDE Tor vessels TO be Constructed IN this coun.
1y A. Yes three.
Q. BY MT. Burcharu-Did stocEwen claim tna.
Roach could influence SnelaDargeT's vote a. (
ought TO say that Mr. SheilaDarger Was openly op-
posed 10 the Uill, having ootn spoken and voted
Mr.. Beck said that as Mr.. Roach is not here and
stockweli beyond tne sea, there was no way OF