The New York herald., 1875-07-02

man there; think ! asked Loader n there was
any one WORKING with him az ihat time, 1909, IN
MIS- iIon's house by .ne name g. ree ice or Sey ,ha
man; l think he SAID it was two or three years
since he hal seen Price.
TESTIMONY or FRANCIS p DANA.
The next witness called was Francis y. DanA,
son-in-law OF Rev. DR.. Buddington. Mr.. Dana tes-
Lihed as iOllOWs:--I reside az No. 542 Washington
avenue; | am acauanted with Joseph Loader; DO
not know John j. Price; never saw nim till the
night he Was arrestea.
In relation 10 the natter OF controversy here
a. have NOT; had conversation Wlth LoaHes
two days before the 5ur-rebutt9l evidence closed
IN the case OF Illton against Beecher; am an ag
torney ana counsellOr-at-law; 1 asked Loader
question; he knew was cOunsellOr-at-laW ana
ne might have supposed was under obligations
or confidence TO him; had occasion 30 oe IN
Leaders, store that night on some business Ia
reference 10 some ehlngs tnat ne was nXlnS lOr
me; cannot TX the date IN my mind ~ present,
but u was Two days before the surrebuttal ciosed
1t might nave been the day before; don't cnarge
my mind particularly with IL.
Mr.. Logan here objected 10 witness telling any
thing tnat Mr.. Loader had said to him mis- cOun-
sci OF professional adviser.
Mr.. smell said he did not recognize that the
relation OF the witness that OF counsel to the
defendant In anything that passed between them
In that interview.
Wltness-I should rather nor state thc CONVEX
sation, then, unless Your Houor directs me 70 90
so. lie was not client OF mine. but he might
nave thought tnat he was speaking TO me pro-
fessionally.
MIR. smell said the question was one offact and The
witness could not but know himself whether
Wltness-Loader said to that ne did not
want TO get mixed up IN tnat matter; think ne
had an iaea tnar was under obligation as a law
yer
Judge Rley-weu. Mr.. Dana, II you had any
compuncuon about the matter how did you come
10 tell Mr. Norris OF what you learned
Witness-l told MN tnat should tell Mr. Morris
OF 1t and did so.
MIR. Snell-Wel, we may as well have You 10 tell
it here too.
Judge RiLey-Did you speak Of This converse
tion to any person besides Mr.. Morris
HlLneSs-l did 10 TWO others Dut i did
not give them she name.
Q. Did you talk with any reporters in relation to
this statement? A. No, sir did not took
pans not TO make IL public.
q. Give the conversation, II .you please, which
took place between yourself and Loader
Mr. Logan took exception 10 the admission or
the statement.
Loader ii he thought was acting professionally
when ne made the statement TO me
Mr.. Logan said nc would not question Loader on
the SUBJECT, Dut lie preferred to leave that to the
witness 10 decide.
Witness-Your Honor directs nae TO give the In
terview?
Judge Riley-Yes, sir.
Witness asked Mr.. Loader what ne knew
about this Reecher matter Objected to as I'M
/ material Objection overrnled ana exception
taken by tAe d9ence) He said that he did not
WI wIsh 70 tein ~ ne olda.I Wish 70 get mixed
and children dependent on his business for sup
port; eventually he dd say that ne had been at
1869, as near as he could hx the date !;
thai there was another man witn him whose
! he thought tue name was John Neville, joan
/ Nevine Price; he said that he recollected laying
| the carpet on the main staircase OF the mouse.
Mr. smell interrupted, saying that tAe.arJCle III
/ the HERALD contained the substance, and ne sup
posed 1t was unnecessary TO go over that ground.
Inc Court decided to take she testimony, and
the witness continued
That lie saw Mr. Beecher come in; Mrs. Tilton
met nlm in the nall, and she Kissed him, or he
kissed her; ne said they then passed IN TO the
paror, and he said mat the man that
was with hlm went and looked in, and came and
SAID tnat something was going on out tnere;''
! he Said he (Loader) made an excuse 10 go into
tue parlor 70 get scissors or some ething-l don't
remember whas he said ne went aiter-and that ne
saw Mrs Iilton sitting or reclining q lounge OF
u SOFA oehlud the door; think he told me that
/ TINS young man SAID Mrs. liltOn was sitting on
MIR. BeechoFs knee; Mr.. Beecher was stanuing,
leaning over her; he SAID Mrs. TIlton's dress was
somewhat disarrRnged and that her HAIR was
/ loose, had come Gown; think ne also SAID TO me
! that he saw nothing criminal but the clrcum-
stances were very Suspicious; Shat was about the
substance OF 1t; the witness vino preceded me on
the stand Mr. Wilcox, Is no relative Of mine;
never saw MN till after the publication in the
| HERALD.
Oross-examined-l ludge that Loader based his
suspicion OF crimlnality not alone by what he saw
but upon what mad ooen told nlm.
WALTER J. SCOTT TESTIFIED
that lie Is a clerk in MI. MorTls' Office: that ne
had seen Loader aud Price at Ene oflce number
(witness) OF Jne affldavits as tar as the meet
! ing Of Mr. Beecher and Mrs. Iilton IN the hall
! witness and said he would have TO finish u and
Mr.. Moulton said he wOnG finish it.
/ Moulto1 finished It and witness copied
! IL; heard General Pryor say 10 Loader,
III there is any doubt about this you had better
stop where you are, for this - a very serious mat.
ter" Loader replied, 81 do not come here OF my
After brief cross-eXamination OF the witness
the further hearing OF the case was adjourned till
Wednesday morning, at ten O'Clock. Loader and
Price were remanded to jail.