The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-04-13
NEW YORK HERALD TUESDAY lS75-QUADRUPLE

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u change Ia the charge against me was from Mr..
Redpatn at PeeksGlll; do not remember the date.
II q. Was that the hrst notice or advertisements on
the gart o. AR. Moulton or Mr., luton thaL you
were o. were TO 90 accused 81 adultery Win mrs.
q. Now, in regard 10 any conversation that pre-.
\ ceded or immediately followed the publication ~
tne batoh ieLlcf, we're mere such ecu % 'iou'
/ had CONVERSATIONS WITH Mr.. Moulton nad ceased
Il atall; with Mr.. Moulton ihd Conversations al
along 10 March, 1874 in regard TO the ADDRESS
which pnrported 70 be Dr. Racon's lecture y me
students at New haven, and In regard 70 live let
tiers DR.. Bacon published IN the New YORK niue
pendent; then a card IN reply 70 DR.. Bacon, winch
Mr. hilton understood TO be preparing.
O. Was that matter notified to you IN That COM
versatlon WIN Mir. Moultong A. Yes.
o. How long prior to the publication OF the
Bacon letter the interview between Mr..
Moulton and yourself IN which you learned the
opening o. that plan2 a. cannot give you any
thing definite about it / can give you the Sob
stance OF IT /: Nj. Mout on was unwilling that Mr.
laD ADORE ne told ne in various ways % dlssuade
MIN from publishing letter, and told him per-
haps it would be better 60 write 1t out repeating
what ne SAID on former occasions 1t was to man.
age Tilton when he got into state OF violent dis
satisfaction TO let him write out. and when be
take control OF him. and II was IN one
or those prior conversations that ! learned
from Mr. Moulton II was Mr.. rilton's intention to
include In his reply TO the Bacon letter lne SUP,
conyersations fust preceding the publication, in
when he represented that Mr. l1lton ana ne had
peen IN New lork sne ngas previous Ia sns
called in for consultation; that they had all
striven TO prevent the publication OF the letter
lish the letter, and that Mr. Mouiton then
asked him TO take out some harsh expression,
In making the letter great deal better without
YIN mt thaH on Is the
subject until after the letter was published.
AWKWARD PHRAsRoLoGY.
Beecher is not always happy in his pnraseology.
Tton was more apt finished and scholarly. The
latter. in many instances, was brilliant and i'm
pressive. He developed cool mastery OF the
English language In OF hand reply that astonished
even his admirers. Beecner, alluding to T1ltons
unreliable temper, the uncertainty of depending
upon his variable MOODS OF mind, said II was i'm
possible TO foreten when he might fall into one OF
his ''vlolent dissatislactions." This awkward
form OF expression was delivered hesitatngly, as
II the speaker were puzzled to select lifting
word. In command OF language as witness,
Tllton, though cold, formal and precise, showed.a
WIDER reader and more elegant vocabulary than
Beecher.
O. After the letter was published did you then
have any conversation with Mr.. Moulton, and
what was done ? A. never read the letter from
that day TO this; / may have read part OF 1t
during TINS trial the letter was not shown to me-
and knew nothing or It's contents except as rep
resented to me by Mr.. Moulton: | was at Peeks.
kin when the letter appeared; teegraphed to
Mr.. Moulton that would see him at my house
two two O'clock Train on Friday, and called on Mr..
Cleveland, telling him OF my intention TO Initiate
steps for calling an investigating committee OF
the church, and telling him OF the plan intended
TO pursue; l also told MIN Mr. Moulton
was to see me that evening, ard at that
time Mr.. Moulton came to my house; we had a
conversation, of which recoect very llttle Tor |
had dismissed rom my mind the whole idea tnat
both parties; he brought with him, however,
document. wishing me to admit that mad COM
been put In evidence; said 10 him, ~ am going
to nave some friends mere tonight; will confer
witness) / think TINS Is the card; 1t IS not in
my handwriting; the contents OF it are familiar
to my mind, and l suppose this to be
the card-tne paper-that was brought to me-
do not know the handwriting.
the paper was Believed to be the aSnawrIt
Ing OF Mr.. Carpenter, read IL, as lonows;-
tonably aud justly interested through the recent
publication by Theodore fllton IN answer 10 Dr.
Leonard Bacon, OF New haven. II Is true that
ton, and giving to that offence the face OF his con-
structon made an apology ana PREPARATION
sucn as both he and at the time deemed lull aud
necessary. l am convinced that Mr.. T1lton has
been goaded TO his defence by misrepresentation
or MISUNDERSTANDING OF my position toward him.
/ shall never be party TO the reopenlng OF this
question. which has been settled as between
Theodore Tilton and myself have committed no
crime ana IL this society believes It's duty TO be
that should reopen tnls already TOO pubc SUBJ
jeet or resign, Will resign. ! know, as GOD gives
me power 10 Judge OF myself that l am better
fitted by going through trials and chastenings to
90 good than have ever been"
Mr.. Evarts observed that there was an occa-
sional cnange OF INK In the paper. de did not
know whether IL appeared whose handwriting it
was.
o. With that paper before you what was said
to you by Mr.. Moulton Ia regard 10 It's publications
A. / don't remember mucn about what was said
the 1rst evening; my mind was running on other
things; Mr.. Moulton mad MS plan and had DIS
missed rom my mind MS generalshlp, and yet my
personal relations with MN were very cordial and
my confidence in HIM was very strong and | did
not wish In any way TO hurt MIN or 10 be lndiner-
ent 20 what he seemed to be laDoring TO accom-
plish yet my mind was set; had got 10 the end,
and meant 70 have no more intermediate stages;
therefore. when this nrst brought to my no
tce SAID II will consider IL; Will take IL into
considerations that, so far as recoect, was the
first interview substantially; the date OF that IN
terview can be easily fixed; can't In my memory
in nv POCKET; it war on Fridar evening"
Jane 20; the Bacon letter was published on
the 25tn; TOOK TINS card to consult with friends;
Thereafter In regard 10 that letter or It's publica
ton. out II was not far on; az some interview
remember the conyei satlon IL was his:-rhat Mr..
Tilton had said himself 10 the presence OF wit:
nesses, II / wouid publish that statement he would
be content.
"wouLD SMASH TILToN."
"If you Will publish that card,n Moulton said to
me- sl,ll burn all the documents and I'll take
sides WITH you and smash Tilton." The word
"smashn was rendered with strong effect. The
Bacon letter had been published, Moulton brought
card nom Triton to Beecner TO get his signature,
and the latter refused to sign, as the card would
have been a virtual acknowledgment on mis- part
OF the offence with which Tllton charged MIN.
Beecher seemed TO have been driven 10 bay and
turned on mis- prosecutors and dened them,
Mr.. Beecher went on to Mr.. Moulton many
times spoke 10 me IN regard TO the power he mad
over l1lton; he said.
~ CAN GRIND HIN TO PowDER?
he spoke tmperatlyely or the power ne had over
T1lton; my answer 10 Mouiton 70 signing the card
for publication was that never would sign card
after the publication of the Bacon letter with
that equivocal word "oaencen IN 1t; told him
would not, aud did not; cannot say dennlteyn
the subject was renewed in any way; there was
still, up 10 tue very session OF the Investigating
Committee, more or less OF effort on Mr. Moul-
toms part 10 accommodate matters; he was OF
opinion that the publication OF the Bacon letter
nan not necessarily brought matters TO crisis;
held the opposite opinion, and Dir. Moult0n, with
great audacity and vehement zeal thought that
there could De way struck out between extremes
by wnicn We could all go clear even at that stage;
| stated tnat we could not, and that the thing
must be pred nto-that we must see into the bot
tom OF IL; don't know that tue particular mode