Memphis daily appeal. [volume] (Memphis, Tenn.) 1847-1886, 1875-04-02

bate, 1 think, Of three days-and
which terminated, l think, by g
general meeting in the church.
l don't remember Of but two nights
in the lecture. room, and the third
( in the church, but that IL not important.
/ Q.-Was ii an occasion Of publicity
and INTEREST," A-Yes; i can give you
| q brief statement il you desire. The
/ general point in the controversy was
/ whether the Plymouth church, which
! had signalized its devotion to the anti
/ slavery cause, should contribute
to the American missionary asso-
citation exclusively, which was an
! anti slavery society, or should
/ divide its contribution between that So
/ ciety and the American board, which
was accused Of being pTO-slavery, that
| gave rise to an animated discussion
/ amoung our people. l did not speak
on the subject during the time it was in
/ the lecture room, but did ia the church,
and was replied to by Mr.. Tilton.
Q-And on that occasion there was
| considerable antsgOnism between you
! and TiIton in views and their express
/ sion9 A.-Yes, sir; but nothing trans
| pired like what / see here in court
/ [lsughterl all was perfectly kindly
feeling, expressed sometimes rather
positively. Renewed laughter
Q.-Now, on this question which side
were you on, and which side Tilton?
| A.-Tilton was in favor of throwing
| over the American board, and ! was in
| favor of maintaining the right Of my
people to contribute to itif they wanted
| to.
Q.-And had your secretary contribut-
ed TO that? A.-That was the old stand
ing board with US, but it was through
my grace and favor that the other one
ever got ear inside the church, for
it was most unpopular thing at that
time to pay cent fer abolition purposes.
Evarts-The old standing board was
! snti-slavery.
Beecher-AIleged to be.
Evarts-And Tilton was on the other
side for exclusive contribution to anti
slavery? Al don't think the debate was
upon that, sir, although Of course, that
would be the moral effect. If l recollect
alright Mr.. Tilton confined himself to
showing that the American board was
in completely with slavery. l think
that was the 6ritt OF his argument.
Q-The matter debated between you
and him? A.-Yes, sir.
Q-What was the result in the church?
A.-The vote was in favor of sustain
ing the American board, although both
of the societies were benefciaries of the
church. and the state of things was not
to be effected by the vote Of the church
then had upon it.
Q-Just as it had been for the pur-
pose of cutting off the benefit, and the
resolution was to perpetuate it? A
Perpetuatei it,
Q.-As it was now? On that occa-
sion, Mr.. Beecher, at or about that time
did you perceive any growing views of
rivalry or aspersiOn on his part? A
No, sir; did not believe any such thing.
Mr.. Beach-We object to that.
Mr.. Beecher-I heard it often, but
never believed it.
Mr.. Evarts-Why do you object,
Mr.. Beach?
Mr.. Beach-Because l don't think it is
proper.
Mr.. Evarts-It has all been given in
Mr.. TiltOn's examination.
Mr.. Beach, know you crOss-eX-
amined him on that point, but you can't
get this witness's conclusions about IL.
Mr.. Evarts-All right.
Q,-Mr. Beecher, how about this time?
A.-This was about 1860, believe.
Odd there seem to be any inter-
Iuption by Mr.. TiltOn in the way OF
visiting at your house? AIN 1860
during that period, do you mean?
q about this time. | am not speak
ing Of this in connection with this time,
but only to the time of 1860 or 1861.
A.-Yes, sir. 1 can't say there was any
very great interruption, because TiltOn
was not in the habit of visiting much at
my house; it was not particular resort
of his. We met at his house somewhat
later, and at the office, or on the, streets
or in the picture shops, and wherever
we agreed to meet.
Odd he come, when he ceased to be
a visitor or caller, to your house? A
Yes, sir, but l cannot fix the date Of
that.
Q.-And from that occasion did you
remark that his visits ceased to be casual
visits? A.-Yes, sir.
Q.-Without any renewal OF his casual
visits at your house? A.-Yes, sir.
Q-Now, at this time, early in May,
was there any occasion on which TiltOn
performed any act of kindness or friend
ship to you or your family that especial
ly impressed you, or was it the cause Of
your feeling and expressing gratitude?
Ale was always doing me little
kindnesses that were very agreeable,
but there was one that stood out above
all others, and that was especially val
liable to me.
Q-And that was in reference to your
son? A.-Yes.
(Which has perhaps been suf-
ficiently referred to. Did you feel that
very much? Al did ind do.
Q.-And did you so express yourself
toward him? Al did, sir.
Recess. After recess Mr.. Beecher
again took the stand.
Dread the last question and an
swer, Mr., StenogrspheT.
The stenographer read it as follows:
Odd you feel that very much?
Al did and / do.
Odd you 80 express yourself to-
ward him? Al did, sir.
Mr.. EVarts-In 1865 or '66, Mr.. Beech.
er, when the Cleveland letter and com.
ments Of the Independent, which have
been given in as evidence, were made
public, did that affect in any way the
relations between yourself and TiltOn?
Alphabetically it produced some ef-
feet, sir, but it did not produce any such
effect as seriously to affect us.
Q.-Now, doyOu remember about that
time, in the year 1865, with TiltOn
which had something to do with an in
terview he had had with Mr.. Judson?
Al do, sir.
Q.-Mr. Judson was witness on the
stand, you Remember, in this case?
A.-NO; l was not present when he
was examined.
Q.-I mean that Jud5on who has
been witness here? A.-Yes; l know
what occurred between you and Tilton
on that occasion, aud l went over to
the Independent Office with some ex-
element and told TiIton.
Q.-You had seen Judson? A.-That
Judson was at my house that morn
ing, and had reported that, as l
recollect now, at restaurant,
while dining, he had made some
statements respecting me, which bore
an imputation of immortality; as / now
recOllect, it was statement OF some
loose misconduct with women; but per-
fectly certain about it, and came right
to him with the matter; he said that 1t
was not true; Mr.. Judson, had made
some mistake; that be would 60 right
to see Judsou, and know what the mat
ter meant; he went, and after a time
returned, as l remember; within short
time | saw him again; said il was all
mistake, that Judson had all the mat
ter, aud that il was q mistake, and that
he had never made use of the language
with respect to me.
Odd that end the matter? A
Yes.
Q.-And removed the impression from