New-York tribune., 1875-01-22

remember that u Wes
O. In New York; A. don't think II was
O. And where the tin box kept In your hoase A. Kept
in the closet In my front chamber. think.
@ Lockedi A. Yes, Sir; locked
@ With what sort Of lockf A. Little paddock
O. One Of those little cheap padlocksi A. Locked wish
small lock, Sir, about 10
O. Do yoa remember OF ever Havng had tina, tin box ont in
presence Of Theodore ton from the time Of receiving ms
letter of December 1870 until after the Woodhn pubeaton'
A. don't reeolect distinctly the occasion; may have Asd
out Sir.
@ DON'T Know you ont frequently In hs preseneei
A. No, don't remember that bad oat frequently IN bis
presence, Sir.
O. Well then at the next time that you remember OF having
this paper do also remember that Theodore Tton had
copy of i'll A. No, don't remember thas he had copy
Of "a
Q When did yon fret know that Theodore Tton had copy
OF i A. either-I think that the Bacon letter Sir
else the True Story letter the thing in that was u
one or the other but don't think it
q Well those two transactions or stories ere some ways
apart they not When the True Story prepared
A. don't know believe it prepared the latter part
Of December, 1874
@ And the Bacon letter. A. The Bacon letter was in
eighteen hundred aAdths year wssn it-ast year, 1874
z And Dow do you mean to cay that you can't ten on
which it that you found Mr. Tlton had-do you
say you tell at which date it you first
knew that Theodore Tlton had copy OF THE papry A.
can't no. not 10 swear II now don't remember Sir.
whether il in the True Story not that is he Teaeol
that can't here.
You remember TO have the paper until after The
woOdhu publication and you remember TO have known
that Ton had copy Of until day that you fpeak VI
A. No; that is the best Of my recollection nowi
@ How did you find oUt that be had copy Of henf A.
The Bacon letter.
@ This-when you did know t-when you learned ma, be
had copy, how did you learn itf A Learned IL from hn
q From him. A. From the publication Of the Bacon letter
when be read IL 20 me-
Q Do you say that that tie frs. time that
you knew that be had copy! A That is tic ns uDe TO my
recollection.
Q Now, Sir didn't he make copy Of this letter In yOur
presence the very night you read him and the ns night
received from Nj Beecherf A No, Sir IdoDtrecoect
that ha did,
q Do you recolec whether he did Ooti A. Ny TeCole
ton is that he did not Sg
@ And will you swear that you did not know that be made
copy that that night before you pn your buesn
drawer? A. Yes. Sir should swear 10 that Sir
q Didn't Mr. Tton write that letter down this letter Gown
in shorthand or otherwise you read ti A. cont
rec0Aect he did my recollection j. that be did not
@ Your recollection that lie did mott A. Ny recollection
E thai he did not, Sir
@ Now will back the composition Of the letter.
Well will ask this question before come back 10 the compo
sOn 0f the letter II be didn't do il that night did
ever give him any other opportunity make copy may
shown him the letter Sir he asked or IT, very key
| did
@ VIII you say whether you did not A cannot ry
whether did not say that il he had askcG mo for D.
very likely should.
O. That is not an answer Sir. ! asking whS yoA
very likely should but trying ask what you remember
that you did? A. | Idont remember thai did Sir
Q. Then far you know up the publication o. ne
Bacon letter Tton had other opportunity 70 make coPyi
Mr. Beach-The witness has saId that he uncertain
whether the time Of the Bacon the tine -
the statement.
Mr. EvartsWe understand ii no, In The later answer 4
he nxed the Bacon letter rLe dae wber hrst
knew il
Nj Beach-He did not.
Mr. Ryars-I will refer to the stenoraphr.
M Beach-The witness carried nat reeui by lad
ng question assuming fact and the face oi hz drec'
explanation that uncertain which OF gse periods
the time when he obtained that information.
EvartsWe have views Of The testimony Sir and Ne
do not like be interrupted in tho summation II
any question Of it, the stenoTspbs note %
pealed to.
Mr. Beach-weT Sir although the counsel may lot Ike 70
be interrupted when object question seems O. oe be
cessty thar he should be.
Mr. Evarts-You stated in the previous testimony
Mr. Beach-My objection to the question war. Sir that it
improperly that the first know Of the witness hat
Mr. Tton had copy Of this letter was a. be publication u
the Bacon letter.
Judge NesonI understand him iha be kno0 tie a,,
certainly when he it in the BacoI ee ts he cannot
when he got the copy.
Mr. Eyarts-That understand.
Mr. Beach-Wel your Honor unGer wrong impression.
submit in regard 70 the testimony Of hC witness lpOu hat
subject for the witness explicitly stated mat he could -ay
when first received that information whether
the other
Judge Neson-well then. it quali6'd B lat way
Mr. Eyars-Aferwarls corrected.
Judge Nelson-Bat he got a certainty q When he saw
the Bacon letter.
Mr. Beach, insist that he did not afterwards correett
Mr. Evarts-That is for the stenocrapho- to dccde.
Mr. Bcach-That II for TO decide ~1tL ne question bas'd
upon a improper assumption Of fact.
.Qu,-t.on read by THE TRIBUNE stouogapter
judge Nelson" So far you know fccoect please 70
qualify it in that way.
The Wtuess-wn you read the question lgain NJ steno-
g!aphcr?
DIGESTION re-rcad by TRIBUNE stcrosraphC
Judge Nclson-Inrer "or reneuUu' an9 Tie NorL
known"
Nj Evarts 10 the witnessl-TheIe no ot.ecuoc. a
don't recolIect Sir that he had.
Mr. Tracy-Now do you know how Nr TH,oG got the copy
he made-that be had-whou yO 'Lc Bacon oeI =
don't know specifically; no, ST.
@ You say you don't know specifically A No. Sr
O. Do yog know A No Sir
O. That is an answer? A. Yes Sir
@ Did you ever give him copy 4 Ne sr
O. Did he ever take copy youJ kIosleogci A No
that remember, Sir.
O. Don't you remember whether be did or nor No.
O. Do you mean say you don remember Whether
you gave him copy Of this letter.
Mr. FulertonTha has been answered over and over san
Judge Neilson-He said he mad yen nm copy, think
he has answered that point clearly he did not furnish copy.
and he don't remember how he got the copy.
q Did you give hg opportunity or taAe copy
Of hi
Mr Beach-Now submit 10 yoEr Honor hat tho witness
has stated upon previous examination ha be might have
handed that letter Mr. TAton and that, undoubtedly
Tilton applied to him for il, he did So
Mr. Tracy-Now that is reasoning: 10 get 'scts
Mr. Fullerton-Tnere we have the advantage Of you.
Judge Neison-I think che witness has answered fully.
vOur Honor Dea-e regard TEST