Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1875-02-15
Pacific HAIL Investigation,
TESTIMONY Oh MEssRs. DILLON AND WIZ

W ays and Means Committee this morning,
Noses Dillon, late doorkeeper to the sergeant
alarms, was recalled, and his testimony as
delivered on Saturday, was read TO him. On
that occasion he testified that ne had been
before the committee at the last Congress
ard he had no additional Information except
that which he had derived from hearSay. An
his information about the payment of money
by any agent of the Pacific Mail Steamship
company was obtained from outsiders.
q Do!Ou know of any body who does know
A. do Tot. ! heard rumors. Nv attention
was first attracted by "A gentleman coming
Into the office and saying he would not be in
THE SUBSIDY ~CEAPE
for the world.
q. Did lie say what the scrapc was?
A. No; but h" alluded tn the money which
had been paid for that subsidy / suppose. h.
cause at that time : 900 bills were being cir
cuiated. That called my attention to il. and
out OF a spirit OF sport, nothing else / put
down the names of some of those thousand
GOllar-bi gentlemen.
q. Can you tell now those names?
a. No. sir; cannot. havea bad memory
for names. so that frequently when MEM
hers of Congress came in j would have to ask
their names. Witness could not recOllect
the names of any except those who had been
mentioned in the newspapers lately-thaSe
were MIR. Storm, Mr.. Voorhees, and Mr.. Win
chester. All he knew
ABOUT THE $1,000 BILLS
was that there were good many coming
into the office to be changed during the few
days after the passage of the subsidy bill. lie
did not remember how many there were bur
he thought possibly thirteen or fifteen, as he
did not commence To putdown the initials un-
I'll after some of the bills had been changed.
lie gave the initials of ID. W. V. in his form ,r
testimony and Of b. s, and he supposed
they stood for Daniel W. Voorhees, and j ohm
Is. Storm. Witness said he was mortified "A
good deal about this, and after the commit
lee agreed TO eXpungc the whole matter
HE ERASED THE NAMES FROM HIS TABLET
and from his memory. Witness still had that
book, but not here, and the names were en-
tiTely erased.
q. Do YOU not recoIIect having made use
OF the expression, that you noticed some
members who had been impecuni1uS before
the passage of the subsidy, and who were
subsequently ''fiuSh?''
n. did. no doubt, use that expressiO ion, and
used il i'm that connection.
q. And that yOu made All entry of the
ceived money?
a No; / made an entry of the names Of
those who brought money. l TccO!lect now
that / said there had been some gentleman
whom / knew had been in the habit of an
ticipatiIg their salaries by drawing So or
S100 on account, and who brodght in II 900
bills afterwards.
Witness continuing, said he put the initials
down generally Immediately after IN. hills
were changed, but not in the presence Of the
members. He could not recOliect how long
this was after the passage of the subsidy.
THAT Is ALL.
-, q. We would like you TO repro luce every
thing you know about the transaction.
a. / have said all that l do know; have
really ho personal knowledge of the matter
at all.
q. After you testified before the com nittae
last congress. dld YOU not subsequently, APP
pear befuIe the committee AM reIaes; TO
withdraw your testimony.
q. did.
q. What did that grow oat oc-your salts
faction that you were mistaken?
y. No, sir; II grew out of my mOrtifica ion.
having been led on to take these names at
all. 1t was n matter in which ha no busi-
ness to interfere. knew thai afterwards 10
had been the means of depriving me of the
good opinion of some gentlemen whose es-
TEEN / valued very high, and / erased the
LANES from my books aud frord ms me nory.
q. WHAT was the name OF the geatleman
who told you that he would
NOT EE IN THE sCEAPE FOR ALL THE
WORLD?
A. 1t was Mr.. OrIway.
z. Are yOu quite certain that Nj Or lway's
remark did not relate to Mr.. King, inSteLlO of
10 members Of Congress?
A. i cannot say whom his remark par;i"u-
laTly referred 10.
q. You do not know whether il referred to
members OF Congress OF 20 Mr.. King?
a No, sir; but think il more than pro5a-
bic thai il referred 20 Mr. King, from iIIS sub
SCqucnt remarks.
q 10 you recollect his mentioning any,
one name in connectionwIth that remark?
y. None except Mr.. Kings.
q. He did mention Mr. Kings name in that
connection?
A Yes; think ! asked the question. who
was probably the disburser OF the money,
IL
the postmaster.
TESTIMONY OF A. II. WHITING.
y. III. Whiting was called and testified
thath was employed by X. B. Irwin'to d. all
he could to get the subsidy through. His
contract was for $4,000 year for ten years;
the time for which the subsidy was to ran;
this was subsequently, capitalised and wit
ness agreed To take S66, 800; the service he was
especially to render was to secure Senator
Coles Influence in favor Of the subsidy; he
talked 10 members on the Importance OF the
tn of
he talked To Senator Cole he found that
gentleman in favor OF the subsidy; he said it
was Pacific Coast measure and that he
would fl rOT il; witness never told Cole that
he WIS paid TO urge the subsidy; the argu-
ment lie used was that ii was an important
Pacific Coast measure; he informed Irwin
that Cole was for the measure; he
ELYER OFFERED COLE \ DOLLAR.
Witness was here shown a check drawn by
himself for SlS,500, payable To the order of
Senator Cole, and which was endorsed by
the latter. He explained that by saying that
he owed debt to that amount in Philadel-
phla. Senator Cole being in Philadelphia.
and having been the counsel and adviser OF
witness, the check was sent to Cole to he
paid by him. He paid the money to man
named kTamlhaar, and took a receipt. He
sent the cIeck to Cole, instead of paying the
money in the usual business way, because he
wanted a receipt. Witness could not explain
Why he Gid not pay in the usual way, AMI let
the check itself appear as the receipt. Wit
ness was positive that he never received a
greater amount than the $685. 800 He did not
believe il could have been possible for a
check for larger amount to have been paid
him. He was sure
IRWIN WAS MISTAKEN
when he stated differently. lie had never
refunded any money to Irwin. He was sure
of that. He was not relation of Senator
Cole, but their families were intimate. He
was employed because Mr.. Cole had been his
counsellor and adviser.
In answer TO questions by Mr.. Dawes and
Mr. Niblack, witness explained why he had
gone to Canada. He said he was in the oil
regions when, Irwin testified, and he was sur
prised to hear the statement that he had been
paid one hundred thousand dollars. He sup
POSED that Irwin would correct that state
ment when he came to think OF the matter.
He therefore went over to Canada TO think
over the matter. He was in Canada only live
days, and came here as soon as he received
the telegraphic summons from the COM
mitttee. He admitted that he had made
mistake in not coming her in advance instead
OF going to Canada.
HON. JOHN b. STORM, OF PA,
appeared before the committee and again
made general denial of the imputation that
he had received any money whatever for the
Pacific mail subsidy. He never owned one
thousand dollar bill in his life. The initials
-. Il. s." spoken of by Mr.. Dillon certainly
did not refer to him.
The committee then adjourned till half
past ten tomorrow.
THE COLD has been excessive during the
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