New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-03-22


conla instruct the Canal Committee to report by
hill Senator King expressed the opinion that tho
Committee of the Whole could take up the messaeo
whenever they wished If it wero referred 70 tho
CANAL Committee Senator Wood argued in favor OF
reference 70 both Committees, because the Commit
tea of tho Whole could discuss the general questions
in the message while the Canal COMMITTEE couiu
GO over the parts referring to appropriations
Senator Woodn was of opinion that II the messages
went to both Committees nothing would DO uono'
since one would wait for the other. Senator john
son declared that he could SEQ no reason why tne
message should go to Committee OF tho WHOLE IL
is not the custom. he said to take matter out OF
the hands of o standing committee, whenit properly
belongs to that committee, unless the members OF
the committee have failed in their duty 10 refer
this matter to the Committee OF the whole woulu
be an Imputation on the Canal Committee
Senator Cole who IS Chairman Of the Canal Com
mittee. remarked that no was as jealous OF the
rights of the Canal Committee as any one, but ne
| thought no imputation would be cast upon 1t by
reference of the message to the Committee OF INC
Whole. This is the first time he remarked tha' LILO
great questions brought forward In the Uo'erhoi
| message have been presented In message auu
they are questions which affect every person IN the
State-questions which come homo 70 every iiio''uo
In consideration Of the Importance OF these ques-
|
needed for them, aud the speaker desired that the
Canal Committee should get the benefit OF the views
| and suggestions Of the whole Senate.
Senator Lord declared that be saw nothing new in
| the message and nothing which every Senator
should not understand The message contained no
new theory as to running canals to letting the
contracts Senator Lord paid little attention to the
statements in the message Of the frauds committed,
but declared over and over again that the message
contained nothing new. He expressed deep feeling
as to the burden on Taxpayers from the manner OF
| running tho canals declaring repeatedly that IN
1870 no had opposed burdening the Taxpayers with
the expenses of the canals and that Gov. Tlden had
only Just walked up to the Importance OF tnat matter
| The perturbed leader of the Canal King aihrmeu
that he saw in that message the earmarks OF Il man
who in 1870 supported taxing the people for the
| canals meaning ex-Gov. Seymour, and VINO now
favors the policy Of making the tolls low ana
burdening the people with canal outlay. mo
Senator made several deprccatory references to tho
| "ear-marks' of the man alluded to and to the man
himself but in reply to Senator Lowerys question
| Mr.. Lord refused to name the man whom he meant,
saying that he lives too near Utica. he then pro-
ceeed to attack the message again and again for its
lack of novelty. He said that not word or syllable
in it was news that all the information it contained
was IN the Auditors Office and had been there on
file for % years In regard to the statements of the
| message concerning the payments made for
| materials and work vastly in excess OF
| contracts Mr.. Lord said that the At
| torney General had decided that matter and had
determined that the estimates in contracts were
| only approximate. He then interjected In his re-
marks the insinuation that Senator Cole had gone
on appropriating millions year after year, although
he understood the system of letting canal contracts
| Returning to the message, Mr.. Lord said that IL
recommended no remedy for the evils complained
of. While declaring that he was willing that the
message should be referred to any committee. Mr.
Lord gave it his opinion that the Canal Commit
tee should take it in charge. and should recommend
| what they think best.
| Senator Cole remarked that he lacked the album
dant knowledge of Senator Lord upon the subject OF
canals The Senator from the XXVlllth District
Mr. Lord ought to have great deal of light ON the
! subject as he has made his thousands out of tho
canals; and lie ought to be well informed in all the
intricate ways connected with them. But all the
| Senators do not have the knowledge possessed III
| 80 eminent degree by this Senator and 1t would
be better for tho members of the Canal Committee
to obtain all the light which they can from the con-
sderation of the inject by the entire body in Com
mittee of the Whole. With peculiar emphasis,
which his hearers Immediately connected with the
"As an honest man desire light these matters"
| Mr. Lord, in an excited way and with evident con-
fusion interposed, And want light as an honest
man."
Senator Woodin repeated his expression of pref
erence for o reference to the Committee of the
Whole but said that the message should be consd
cred in that Committee at early day. and he
gave notice that if it were not considered promptly
he should move to discharge the Committee OF tho
Whole from consideration of the subject, and to re-
fer it to the Canal Committee.
Senator Lord then began additional excited and
disconnected remarks. He professed great anxiety
to get all possible light the matters in the mes
sage and declared that the Senate ought to sit all
day and all Saturday until the Senators were fully
enlightened and were prepared to make recon-
| mendations to the Canal Committee. Senator john
son then spoke at length in favor OF referring
the matter to the Canal Committee. and showed ex-
tGeme senstiyeness lest some member OF that Com
mittee might feel that an mputatlon was cast upon
him by reference to a Committee of the Whole.
| After some further debate the vote was taken on
the question of referring the Message to the Canal
Committee. While the vote was being taken Sem
ator Jacobs spoke of the serious nature OF the Gov
ernors charges against public officials and said that
| every word of discussion the message should be
| made public. He explained his own negative vote
on the subject by saying that if the matter were re-
ferred to the Canal Committee the people might
think that this was done in order to suppress debate.
The vote was five yeas to II nays Consequently
the motion to refer to the Canal Committee was
| lost Senators Johnson and Kellogg were excused
from voting and Senators Ledwith, MCGOWAN and
Ray changed their votes from Yea to Nay. after it
was apparent what the result would be. Following
| is the vote on this test question:
Bradley, Lord LoweU Wsgner-5.
Dayton.
Booth, King Parnenter, Tohev