The Portland daily press., 1875-04-13
THE SCANDAL.
Mr.. Beecher's Seventh Day.
MRS. M0ULTON'S STATEMENTS CON
TRADICTED.
MouItOn's EndeavOrs to Prevent an In
yestigatiOn Of the Scandal.
THE SCANDAL.
Mrs. Tilton to be Called as a Witness.

and the direct examination OF Mr.. Beecher py
Evarts was resumed. The witness said IN
ans wer to question by his counsel:
At times l visited Moulton's house every
day, sometimes not for weeks or months,
During the years from January, 1871, to the
spring of 1874, there were long periods, Tor
example, from May, 1871, and in 1872 after
May, all that summer, when there was little
trouble and little discussion. After the
Woodruff scandal and the West charges
there was busy time, and between that and
the Bacon letter publication, in the spring OF
1874, there was conferences and consultations
between Moulton and me, and collation. OF
sister churches, and then council, and then
DIR, Bacon's articles, and then the Bacon
letter. The committee of investigation was IN
that summer.
In relation to the interviews with Mrs.
Moulton the witness recalled two CONVEX
sations about Woodruff. In one Mrs. Moul-
ton made some humorous remarks about
what she considered the exaggerated enthu-
sasm of her husband and Tilton for that wo-
man. In another she wished to get my views,
and l said I had mere knowledge on the
subject from others and did not believe IN her
views, and in reply to question from her L
said l thought Mrs. Woodruff could do her
no harm, which meant as sincere compli-
ment to her This arose in connection with
her statement that she did not fancy the wo-
man, but she received her at Franks request.
Never word was said at this or any
other interview about her husband
wishing her to receive Woodruff
on nv account, aud my affairs were not al
luded to in this interview. In conversing on
the Woodruff association I never said a
SYLLABLE to her about it being her duty to CO.
operate with Frank in keeping the story quiet.
never told Frank that l told Mrs. Moulton
she ought to CO. operate with him in keeping
down the stories about Mrs. Tilton and me.
What l did tell her was that it was her duty
to cooperate with her husband in his
ordinary desires for society, etc. l
talked with Mrs. Moulten about her
attending my church at various times. l re-
called her speaking in 1874 with some anxiety
about securing two seats, one for Frank If he
would 90. or for her son. I referred her to
| West. She spoke in complimentary man
| ner, recollect, about my improving in preach
| ing. I saw her in church twice, once when
| she brought me message from Frank.
| recollect twice distinctly that she said to me,
once from the head of the stairs
and another time in the parlor, "You always
| come to see Frank; why don't you come to
see mes 1 mean when will you make social
| visit to me and not business one?' or words
! to that effect, and took it as courteous ex-
preston of welcome. had several CONVEX
sations with her about Tilton's family and
| where the trouble existed. At times my
| conversation with her had reference to Mrs.
| Tilton. l wanted somebody that was woman
ly and interested to see Mrs. Tilton, and
when she had seen her she would tell me.
She sometimes thought Elizabeth might do
better in some respects, but never blamed her
o,,trinbt T thouoht Sha thorouph1v dislilS ed
Tilton. I spoke to her of Mrs. Tilton's
| wants, and said would be glad to deposit
| funds with her to supply any want her
| woman's eye would discern. She had been
| speaking very discouragingly of the state OF
| things; wondered how Elizabeth bore it, and
| said she wouldn't wonder any day if Eliza
| beth should break out and go back to her
mother. I spoke to Mrs. Moulton of my
| having won the affections of Mrs
Titan, and spoke in as delicate way
| as could to an intelligent
person, but distinctly expressed myself that
| I never consciously drew Mrs. Tilton's affec-
| tons away from her husband. spoke as a
man very sensitive on the subject, and said it
was grief as deep as my heart could feel,
and that could not forgive myself for l was
all this time under the impression that I had
done it and unconsciously lighted a fire in
| that quiet little woman which smouldered
and broke out to the mischief of all. This
| is fair but not exhaustive lnlook
| on the tenor of our conversations touching
Mrs. Tilton and the cause of her trouble
Mrs. Moulton was absolutely incapable
| of saying in my presence directly OF
by Implication anything about the
charge of adultery against me in reference to
Mrs. Tilten. She was a thorough bred lady
] to my apprehension, and never said word
| in my presence which would jar on lady's
tongue.
New YORK, April l2.-I never on any
occasion said to Mrs. Moulton that
this would probably be my last con-
versation with her. 1 never said to her, al
Tilton publishes my letter of apology it will
| be useless to try to live this down." or 81
never had much hope in Theodore; he seems
not to see that he is striking himself down as
well as Elizabeth" or eff he publishes the
letter I might as well 60 out of life" never
thought so never felt so and never said so
She did not tell me to go down to my church
and confess my crime. I did not reply, "Fol
the sake of the woman who gave her love to
me will never do that; would rather &C
out of life" Nothing of the kind was said
I did not say my children would despise me
my work would be finished; better l should
go out of life when my work is
finished. Such conversation was impossible
no such diplomatic conversation took place
She did not suggest that could write for my
paper. did not say if they would not heal
me preach they would not read what should
write. did not say the best thing to do was
to go out of life, and that had powder or
my table that would take me off quietly. The
only powder had was gunpowder up stairs
This is all preposterous-a falsehood; but
think know what it all arose out of. l die
not say I would probably never
see her again. did not after some further
conversation, say would bring some little
presents to her and Elizabeth; no sir; pure
absolute dream and fiction. I did not say
with or without tears, that was suffering the
fortunes of the damned, and could only talk
| to her freely. 1 said nothing of the kind ii
that connection or pointing in that direction
| 1 did not say on the subject of Tilton,s dis
position to raise up new difficulties that
| could not stand the matter longer; that
| could not bear the strain, and should meet
the matter and bring it to the surface and
| have disclosure.
! In reference to Mrs. Moulton's reports tc
| him of interviews she had had with Mrs
| Tilton, the witness said, Mrs. Mouton did
not say she had told Mrs. Tilton she could
| never 20 back to church with the same faith
| in me as before, or take the sacrament from
me, or that Mrs. Tilton replied, at is who
am guilty and he is a good man." No sir
and don't think it possible for her to look
me in the face and say half of it. She did not
report to me Mrs. Tilton said, "you
spoke of church and children and me-
and that she said she would fcrsake
her husband and tell lies for me.
| did not say "Poor child; she is endeavoring
to repair her sin, but it is too late 1 did
not say it was very cruel that Elizabeth
| should confess at all; no such conversation
did not say to Mrs. Moulton felt had re-
| pented of my sin and had been forgiven, and
was better fitted'than before for good work
She did not reply, 81 don't see how you car
| preach to young men against adultery wher
you are so deeply implicated in
| it YOURSELF Mrs. Moulton was lady
and never mentioned the word adultery
in my presence, or spoke o.
any such crime. said to some one thai
| God had led me through dark ways and
through troubles, and that my sympathies
| were greater for the suffering and that 1 was
thus better fitted for work, but 1 never sale
this in connection with any crime. 1 never
told her she must tell Mrs. Tilton from me
| alive with Theodore, and be to him a true
| wife," False, false. 1 said in substance to
her concerning the alienation of Elizabeth's
affection from her husband that my age an6
experience ought to have made me foresee and
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