The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1875-12-21
THE BIG CANAL BONANZA.
now IDTN THdYER HELPED ms
FHIrNDS 4ND HTMSELP.

Irtcrprc,ins the Inv TO suit his Practice
Interesting Readins tor new Workers..
AtpANY. Dec. 20-The Canal Fraud In
,.stirltinr Commission met this morning to |
eontinue the examination Of Auditor Thayer. |
Mr. @ W. Miller, counsel for Thaycr said his |
client bad prepared statement OF facts a. to |
each transaction under investigation. II agrce- |
able he would present the statement, and then, |
n Hdesirable. submit to an examination.
Mr. Weelow-Of course any such statement |
ran he left with the commission.
Mr. Niller-l should have said he proposed to |
be sworn before making the statement.
Mr Birclow-Of course, we have TO conduct
his invcs'i 'isatlon In our own way. We know
best wat We want. TIE parer can be presented
but we cannot allow It to cucumber our record,
NJ Nillcr-T Then we understand that Mr.. Thay-
sr cannot make his statement ps he wants tor
Mr. BiscoW That IA just what wc want. We
ssnt him 20 state what no knows as he wants
TO- wh We want ~ fact.
Mr. Miller Perhaps We do not comprehend
one another. MIR. Thayer wants merely to make
bis statement FIRST himself and then let the e1-
smiuattDn go on.
Mr. Plstluw You can make any statement.
edo not propose to have the record encum-
Serrd with matter not pertinent to the exami-
nation
Mr. 'illef- We do not propose to leave It un.
i.ss accepted as evidence. II was understood
that Mr ruiver WIS rogue ted to como hcre ard
make li, explanation ~ tins matter.
Mr.. BigclOw hr. MIL r. n y0n think Mr.. Ihay.
er undersf inds what we want better than we do,
you are entirely miSinformed.
Mr. Mil-r--Nes; but II was the understanding
shat A. iiior lhAyer was to oome here and ex-
plhn his connection with these AFFAIR.
Sir Baelow-t thal he could have done before
the Commissioners II Tho Canal Fund.
Mr.. Miller oh, no they decided thev could
DOT take his statement; tn { tney could not ad-
N .sal It FNtl
n denied We must submit.
Nr Bigcow II Is understood that he shall
haye chtncs after the examination Is closed to
MIR. Nnler-well, have this understanding GO
INTO the record.
AUDITOR THAYER's ENAMtSArioS.
The ANIMATION was then proceeded with:
Nr. Mscone-Mt. Tha,or. did you put in there ire.
i;eIrng q ne McDtrm9u c4inl. AMI I'D yog s.ow
Hrh Green with resard 70 tnis matter AM s.id
prssers aw,rl ths il would be- better to Day Thai sum
shsn TO 'e Il 20 ovt r another Ncnr
sheeas Sai aTsrdS ~ rsps%Se' S TSer sSsPS
otcw ne Ten or n,d ~ pni 10; ; G.: " pcrmnW vas
she resolution revosiig the license for water power
~ ltoo. an interest in having the license Of my friend
.. wnv did you omit other persons the same
ky A-lhs had been asu6jeos Of discussion good
q %Gy day YOU single out your friend aud endorser'
Cwrcd nv. tis was al old structure. anu 4 was
ssSSss ny VIZ t.sg % p'a m aonS fsi COS. S
Hts Wife Is relaiiyeof ny ~lie. Herson aud talked
Ing made application to the ConniissOn,rs on the
tren,d e., hf ns Ss. no, & ikey 10 ,ss long
had ncens. and the Commissioners could revoke 1t
oDd YOU no, 50 to McDermo,, and get him to re-
"hsiSer dd or aot ihink McDdrmo., sI sIecuidG
powes Of attorney 10 Pierson ar rot attend that.
scensc. got w the claim the lneory that Is water
power va, gwen on The con.deratl thst smother We
bke Il without consideration.
getting W pretended aim On the sats A.-So sir
d noI si,t IN any pretended calm. trs ,rdrd II
fore Nj VS. Canal AuprAisrr had 'poken sever ]
"s' to DAVIS and other appraisers Ill regard to '''
Chapter 20 OF the laws Of ISIS vas shown to
hin. M , ne raj me it.pe tnet-ii He W =
asked what p yments he made under it; whether
Tor luy Vtr.lcal wal built riIce the l. d OF Nay
Lst. Ne answered: ." / don't know ~ any"
c % PS a iGr or Gp 10 p Al
Wefe has ocen some AID foF
NoNEY UNLAwrUILY PAID.
nv MIR. Magone-we claim that al money paid on ac
loDs money apr prations by mat law psy cer,ia
,A.cs whlcnyou were interested. How is tnatr A.
q, bsyeu no! A. no99sy gay for w9IS done PL9r
Al cannot tell un ess can See the warrant.
The warrants were shown bum. and he gave the
GATES AMI amounts. hut coulu not tell when H. 4
work was done without the engineer's cerifhr cate
Ho su y sed that It was for the April estimates
Ar Mas,re-That Is what wo claim. that 1t was fo
Nj Th.ye Ye-, 0utlt was claimed that the act pro
'Sru N,iA an, saa No. 49, Sul' % M s & in m,
ss n' A-''l' 'u' mere wa no 'u'n 'u''0''' IN 'n'
lie read the law to show that tho provision
vas for work which might be- done, and not fol
she payment OF outstanding ciaiu1s.
srea.y Done.
At Tits point the Auditor was requested tC
step aside, and Canal Appraiser I. -. Davis wa
called. lie said the clam % McDern OFT was
cleo on fsh. Is. lsIj lnat was the rrst he heard
ia In hA "a ~ o. Ian h4fn n
hin clone. The other appraisers were absent
from sickness. He heard the case. as there wa
some great necessity to DO 80. II twas said some
one was about % di'. or something Of that sort
Mr. h'yer resumed the and, and the En-
rant to pay ii rler 4 Rilty sli go and WI,
fur work done prior 10 May l. 30 Another wa;
shown in, ana he SAID ne was interested In all
she certificates cancelled by the warrant.
THAYER's CERTIFICATES
Mr. Mssono Ons Il these certificates was issued II
I II, 1HytSSr oSrshoas IT Serneae iS,S 'a 'a
Assno~u t.~ ~ ana asAed ilhe oou d ND snylnn.
.nsn u3jcI .s. and 4esara i a. S c"nisnins % il,
- al YOU point ou. anything si,in. such authority
Thor Il me law. ~ unucis anu H.
,,o !tr.at.e AZ. Al Iook The law 90 granting "a "a
ihe .aN stl understand It cont-ins authony to pa
q Do ioa usdcr,tand chap 80 OF the law. Of 1877
sgio any sng 5ens Aups.i3s royiS IL S' ~
Nj or Lii Ntu thnN this law Of 1870 suthofHr'
sa,idarel ny.rii au hort to pay undcr the law
that 4, iuY 4istructOn ~ The Law.
Y lld yuu haVa Interest IN these certificates
In o Hu Interest M ONE ~ th-nl.
what WAS the nggr gaze u the trnnsactions yo
hau Win tue Troy Clty bahkr A.-t23l 9od30
Several certificates on the part Of SchuIle
Work were shown hinl, aud he said he though
be was authorized to oay them without tn
passage Of the act Of 1870.
LITTLE THASsACrGON WITH DENNIsoF.
Q.-HOw much money dif you pay Dennison2 A
Bear AZ | Nuke H. S5G,42oG. lrss nearly on
mont 5 intercst ,at pad say 10. cant To hO'
much yaid some, deducted 70 muLth's ilteresl
Lchsrgra MIN nothing for No., t.atn4 the lout.
ln1 was not that your pay for negotiating? A.-At
Dir my best recOllcc Ion ali tuoA was aD ut
months int rest. bought these for myself, aui hom
Eighteen Bipeteen daYs a ttT paiu uitclf. pa
DrnlIsln the 2sth ~ Arm, deuuctiug he mouth
interest ynd pad the certificates on the 10 OF Ma
old not audit In,se Ofils. 20 not audit such o,ls
Mr. MaPone road the law making It the duty Z
ths Auditor to require ceI;ain papers from ell
Eineers before paving certificates or drafts.
Mr IN yer-An had to do was to see theT were
proper fOtn.
them, when tne Ia" requires you 10 Audilf A.-le
Q-And yet, bong Au iitor Of toe State, you pu
chased certlncatts which YoI were I. Au-itf A.-it
air
o. -Dld Won not say before the Commissioner of n
Cana Fund You had no m rre.t In canal cetttc-tss
Nhr extent Of on" cent? A-NO. air,
o. A. uAGrrstOOd you. Huw A." you unable to Al
nov much you made on the Dcnhison cerllcates
Al received Dnly one uontu's luterc l.
a. N H N a