New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-03-30
TESTIMONY OF Mr.. STEPHEN V. WHITE.

stephen '. White called and sworn on Denall Oh
| the defendant.
| Mr.. Tracy-where do you reside' A. Brooklyn.
Q How long you resided in Brooklyn A Abou. ten
years.
q Are you a member OF Plymouth Church A Yes Sir
Q How long have you been member A Nine years the
first Monday Of January past, think, Sir.
@ What is your business A. am stock operator
broker sometimes.
@ And engaged ia that business now A. Yes sir.
Q In the City Of NewYork' A Yes, Sir
@ You a member OF profession formerly believe
Mr. Whites A. Yes, Sir was
q Practising law A. l a member Of the legal pro
fession il you refer to that.
q Where you practces pracced in Missouri and
Iowa.
q Were you member Of the Investigating Committee OF
Plymouth Church. appointed last Summer 4. Yes, Sir
Were you present at the meeting Of the Committee July
9Th the Mrs Tton made her appearance before
the Commtees a. No Sir
Were you present July 10th. when NT Tilton first hp
peared before the Committee. \. Yes, Sir.
Q Was that his first appearance A. As far ~ know it wss
the first meeting Of the Committee Committee thai
attended and believe it was his first appearance
@ Did you hear the talk between himself and members Of
the Committee at that me' A. did. Sir.
Was there anything said BY him that occasion in re-
gard the Of the evidence which he had against Mr.
Beecherg A. Yes. Sir.
@ What did say that subject A. He said among
other things that subject that his rested upon written
lie said that he would ask the Committee TO
trust him. his word for IT, he made the charges He
asserting that he had agains, Mr.. Beecher.
he stated it, and that would convince the Committee
ne should state and he said that which
would the Committee take his word for as ne
acknowledged admitted that he discreded man IN
communtyBrook yn-and that he rested upon docu
mentary evidence written evidence, under Nj Beecher
signature, under his own signature.
O. Was anything said by any person present on The
subject that If against Mr. Beecher in writing the
writings would speak for Themselves Yes Sir that reply
made by yourself
O. What did Mr. Tracy say that subject A. Well Sir
YOU aid thar there might question what the papers
would show Committee could judge better OF that
they had them and after remark in reply TO that
which / could give the words o. and not even
the substance you made the further statement thai
il the charge which he should make vas one OF
criminaliy between Mr. Beecner and his wife, that
the paper which you had You had ever seen the paper
which he relied Oh. you didn't think that would sustain tat
charge
u Was there anything said by him on that evening IN re-
gard vcrs confessions by NJ. Beecher' A Well don't
that there directly in those words hut there Were
made which recognized yeroa confession on the
part of Mr. Beecher
q That night A. Yes Sir feel very clear that there was
sir think can refresh your recollection on 1t.
O. What was A # when Mr. Tlion had 'ad to ~
Gentlemen you think there is no case but there H. ana "
then said Give then and he said Don't ask meo
u 1
in that connection that Beocher had asked him. If ever
became necessary 10 make declarations TO let him know
that might leave the take hi life lee very
clear thai that said oh that night.
@ reference the publication OF the written
paper which he claimed 10 have \. Yes Sir.
O. And not in regard verbal confession A Inc con
sruction is whatever you please SAID he ddni make any
verbal confessions he didn't claim verbal confession IN
these express words that something said by which
there might have been inferred a verbal confession.
@ Was he not spanking Of the publication Of the documents
which he held against NJ. !Beecher
Mr. Morris-Oae moment.
Mr. Beach-Mr White tell the condition which 1t Was
Mr. Hnl-In that statement he not speaking Of the
threatened publications
Mr. Fullerton-Ho state what was said
Mr. Morris suggest that leading questions ought no
to be put; they improper The witness aenoh 'ouu
not be called to particular things.
Judge Neilson think be Lad better state The on'ers"oh
Mr. Morrs-Yes all he recoccts first
Mr. Beach ToMr Tracey Why you not ask him in "haI
connection that was SAID!
Mr. Tracey-In what connection was that sad'
Mr. Beach-Gye the preceding remarks. II you can:
The Witness think gave yOu in substance the preceding
remarks Mr. Tilton- manner very won't say drama
tic but highly suggestive & something ha' was
very severe II shosld only come ou- remember ms say
inc 10 US: Your Committee is TOO age gentlemen cannot
maize sucb disclosure or tell such 10 so many VII!
tke Won Mr. SAGE pointing him- You please and will
al, ou in confidence nv whole story Your Committee is
ton large cannot tell it, and the statement was made after
that think as have before referred TO- thaI ts hi'
ter didn't rest up1n his word, that ne would not
ask us TO believe him. and then had urged HMM tracy
mad ured him a. was suggested before to bring forward the
narrs that the Comm might nds and constrne Them an
rL h rcnly 10 that wa that he would nor be 80 cruel 10
NJ, Beher He said don't want TO hurt a HAIR OF that Ola
,p,s rray head Mr. Beecher has before th- sKed me
- hrcame necessary # should feel compelled to publish
e papers then should give him notice IN oruer 'hA'
be might leave Brooklyn. or take his NE
@ Then il was ia c0nneclion,-
Mr. Fulerton-So. no. ohSect to that Sir
Mr. Tracy-Wasi in that he made use Of this
rmark in connection thst yoh nave JUST s'a'' a. INV
stated it as nearly could. Sir from my present memory
MR. TUTON's EXPLANATION TO THE COMMITTEE
Was he assed by the Committee to brig forward MS DOC
a,,s and show them 10 the Committes1 A Yes, Sir re-
peatedly. ,..,....,, ~. ,,o,,-,,.,oo
@ Was II in that connection lha' nv SN iA '-
too large,
Mr. Beach-We object TO that Sir
Th Witn.ss-Wel Il was In regard TO making ms cas'
,, ~ = We were too many. Ttfre a great deal
said that you haze no asked me ION .'A' ny AuS"'
would no, be responsive to, if ! told H. but a. a
=, ~, the thiDas that | hive sated-or rather
n ,ts which have stated a part OF those things in
n TO which he said the csmmitiee was 100 large 70
know about IT, , -, -,,,. 49,, ,...-
sion state or pretend that he had any 0'hef e'uooe
Beech,z except written eVidence'
Mr. Norris-One moment oolec' 10 L. he ha9 no' '
the witness to state what he said
Judge NeilsonI needs ~ Argument IL If eAohg ques
ton. ~, q. q. ,,,,
NJ rracvI il objected the ground that 1t IL leading
Nj Morris-Certainy. ,.-,.,
Mr. Tracy-What did he say ON the subject Of hAhs ei
syidence against Mr. BeecAsr, Il anything
Mr. Morris-One Is IL proper until he mas taKe
h witness best recollection call his attention 10 the sub
ieet' ,.... 7 ,Ai,t.
Judge NeilsonThis is avery intelligent witness 'AinA
M have IN state sl that occurred he remembers, anu
| then pu, him particular questions
Mr. TracyI will ask you to state what was SAID on tne SUD