The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-01-26
"INFLUENCE' IN THE MARKET.
opportunities Of Buying Congress in
the Lump"
Schumakers Testimony Uninlsilisible to His
Employer.
THE PECULIAR VALUE or HIS SERVICES.
His Prophetic Power Superior to
His Retrospective.


WAsH'NOTOr, JAM u.s. 1875.
Richard b. Irwin again appeared before the
Ways ana Means Committee to-day.
Having been asked what was the understanding
win Mr.. FAINT when he placed money with MIN
the witness replied that 1t was the same general
understanding as with others that he should rise
his inluence and render the best service he could.
HOW IRWIN WAS AIDED.
Irwin then. at the request OF the committee,
took up the list OF those VINO had received money
and explained the nature OF the services they rem
dered. He said Sheriff., Moran and Ingham be-
longed to the same class OF cases. Their
services were substantially az lollows:-At
the time the Pacific Mail subsidy was
pending IN the House, alter 1T had
passed the Senate, it became exc eedingly i'm
portant for hm to know how large the majority
would be for or against the measure. II they had
. majority they could reasonably count On the
passage OF the bill. 1t was matter OF policy to
pass directly on The amendment in the way OF
concurrence. On the other hand, If it was known
that the majority was against them it was to allow
The Senate amendment to be non.cOncurred in
without unnecessary discussion and let It go TO q
committee OF conference. The outside opponents
we're representing the company rs being DESTROYS
Of having the amendment nOn-concurred IN as
trick, and this report the witness wished to
silence. He came to the conclusion above stated
after Sheriff., at his request had seen few OF the
members to ascertain the condition OF things.
THE LEGALITY OF THE ADDITIONAL SUBSIDY.
Mr.. Garfield, chairman OF the Committee on APP
preparations, stated to the Committee on Ways
and Means that his committee had finished the
Post ONCE Appropriation bill, with one excep.
tiOn-namey, an appropriation for the Pacific Mail
Company. HIS committee wan ted the help or sug-
gestiOn Of the Committee on Ways and Means be-
fore they reported the bill to the House. He did
not know whether there would be any question or
dispute about paying the $5oo,0o0 on the old con-
tract but as to the additional subsidy nothing was
DONE Last year the Attorney General mad given
an opinion thal the Pacific Mail Steamship Com
pany was entitled to their subsidy.
Mr.. Dawes informed MI Garfield that the COM
mlttee would consider the matter.
Mr.. Irwin, resumlng his testimony, said that
Sherlll. Moran and lngnam were employed be
cause they could OBTAIN information regarding the
OPTIONS ana probable acton OF certain members
before those III charge OF the bi!l could 60 on with
the matter; with regard 10 'CormicE, he and
stockwell mad been engaged in correspondence;
this man had been so troublesome that witness
told ot0cSwell to nay him and keep him out of tue
way, which was done; A. w. Randall kept him
informed OF everything; he was told 10 30 ON and
use his influence with his personal ana portugal
friends, and Was not supposed to be actively at
work ON the floor OF the Huse.
COLONEL FohNEY's SERVICES
John w. Forncy was absent from the country,
and, therefore, was not able to speak Tor himself;
FOrnev; witness did not want TO do so. because
he thought 1t to be unnecessary at the time; he
found FOrney exceedingly reluctant TO enter into
an arrangement; Forney said 1t was unnecessary
TO employ him, because lie did not know OF any
thing TO do; but Forney asked Tor $4,000, and Tor
this he was not to render any particular service;
witness, at Forney's request, showed him the IlsG
think lie could do anything with it; witness re-
peated TO fOrney that StocKwel directed INN
TO employ him. Stockwell supposed there was
large PENNSYLVANIA interest against the subsidy;
witness Told Stockwel that was not so; one OF the
things which Stockwell expected Forney tQ do
Was To Keep sam Randall quiet; witness did not
think there was any use to make such an effort,
because Randall was an active and consistent OPP
pOnent OF the Subsidy bill the witness laugued
what St0ckw ell SAID about sam Randall; he only
wanted TO snow what Sockwels idea was-in
short impugning Randars Integrity: W. b. shaw
was employed by Stockwe's order on the recon-
mendat!On OF one OF the most ignorant members
Of the board OF Directors. Henry Clews.
MI KassOn reminded the witness that it was
unnecessary to make comments on individual
character.
service rendered by Shaw had been correctly
stated by himself; A. b. Corwine was also en-
poyed by StocKweli's order; witness did not think
C0rwlne rendered any special service; witness
never expected that he would; Corwlne had a long
correspondence with the Pacific Mall steamship
Company, and the result was that witness was
ordered 10 employ him; j. &. Bcrrett and sam
Ward were employed by Stockweli's orders; these
gentlemen had concisely and accurately stated
the nature OF their services; Mr. Averll was also
employed by stockwes order on the recommen-
dation OF RUFUS Hatch; Nj. Albert had concisey
stated the character of his own service Mr..
Chtienden came here wnie the bill was pending
before the Scna,c and performed the same char
ecter OF service as others, canvassing members,
&C.; he rendered NO service that was not honor
THE TWO DooRKEEpERs,
Boyd and Jersey, received large sums or money;
pr0oabiy their services were more valuable than
they intlmated, rs IL was important 10 have the
frends OF Il bill present when the vote was taken;
IN March the SUBSIDY bill was defeated by one
member going out and bringing IN two Others to
make tie vote, and, with several others, thus de-
featng l.. witness SAID it was not uncommon Tor
members themselves 10. send Tor absent friends as
cnemiSs vi d measure. Ine amouDts pau 10
these doorReepers were fixed on the recommend
alton OF one OF his subOrdinates. AS to John II.
Morris the witness had already stated the
amount paid to him was Tor printing.
Inc witness .ss,, mere corrected mistake IN MS
Whiting 100000 lie paid him $685. 900; with regard
70 his former remark, he had now to say he sent
TO the sunday He7-dtd $500 with q commitment ton,
but according to the statement OF Captain Burrtt
and the proprietor of that paper he did not receive
TO the late Daily Patriot, he paid that establish
ment $500 for the printing OF an advertisements
correcting errors which had appeared in an edl-
tOrial that paper was consistently opposed TO the
subsidy.
In reply to interrogatories by Mr. Roberts the
witness said that Aberts services almost
entirely OF a clerical character; he was not ex-
pected to use his influence with members because
ms acquaintance and influence were limited; he
belonged to the party then IN very small
minority; the services rendered by Albert were in
TO Stockwell, &C.; Albert would have received
the money he did whether the bin passed or not.
WHAT sCHUNAKER's WORK WAS WORTH
He paid schumacher IN accordance with his agree
ment with him; lie did not consider the sum ex-
ravagant considering the character OF his ser
vices he asked ScnuHaker what he demanded
fOr his services, and Schumacher said $500, 000 THIS
was as near the conversation as the witness could
remember. Witness had been three times offered
three sums exceeding 100000 for his services in
other directions, which he declined II his SER
vices were worth 100000 Schumakers were GER
tainly worth S500.000; he considered Schumacher
man OF Intellect and influence, and with policy TO
carry the subsidy through the House.
u. Did Mr.. Schumacher belong to the same
party as Mr.. Albert 2 You stated that Albert pos
hessed no influence with MS party. A. Mr.. Schu-
maker was differently situated: he possessed large
lnnuence IN and outside OF his party. Witness
surther stated that Schumacher was u man OF so
much tact and ability that there was no one who
could replace him In his business on the floor Of
Inc House; witness did not suggest any dIsburse-
menus tRe only information he had upon that
suoJect was from Schumaker's testimony, II the
committee could make head or tall Of 1t; the wit