New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-30

Mr. Beach-very well II you want to get into a con.
| troversy on that subject, let us have it out.
Mr. Shearman-Very well, let us have 1t out The wit
ness Is asked
Judge Nelson trapping on his deskI will do.
gentlemen The witness says that Gen. Butler sent him
| some papers, which he did not read.
Mr. Shearman-And submit to your Honor that that
is fair and honest answer. and the only that could
be fairly and honestly made to the question That Is my
| proposition
Judge Neilson-T regard 1t as an answer There IA no
occasion to say whether is honest not The witness
needs no compliments.
Mr. shcaman-well. the counsel upon the other side
was attacking the witness, when no said that it
neither fair nor honest.
Judge NcilsOn-That was improper
Mr. Bcach-It not improper Sir, in answer to the
remark OF the counsel upon the other side
Judge Neilson-If it not applied to the witness,
very we'll
| Mr. shearman-Then to understand that the
gentlemans remarks are made entirely in Pickwckan
sense.
Judge NeilsOn-Vcry well.
Mr. Blackwell. Sir. know nobody more competent
TO deal in Pickwickan language than that gentleman.
| Laughter
@ Mr. Tracy, did you aftcrward receive from Gen. But
Ter paper purporting to be proposed statement for
Mr. Beecherl A. afterward received
@ viii you answer my question: A. cannot tell you.
Sir, for never read it,
O. Did you ever read the letter accOmpanyi ring that
papcrl A. am not sure that any letter did accompany
it; II there was have forgotten it.
q You have forgotten that Mr. Butler wrote you let
ter accompanying package OF papers sent to youi
Mr.. Eyarts-Doos he say he has forgotteni When we
forget thing implies knew it, He says he
does not know If there was one.
Judge NeilsonThere is something in that distinction
Mr. Evarts-lic says, q" don't know there such
paper; II there was have forgotten it,"
Mr.. Beach-What is my question
Judge Observation-Disclosures he read ho left
Mr.. Beach, think not Let the stenographer read the
question.
THE Tribune stenographcr road question and an
swer.l
Mr.. Beach-You have forgotten whether not he sent
you lettcrl A. have distinct recollection; since
you speak Of it, II seems to me did letter
panyng the package but am not certan-or that
at the same time with the package.
Dd not that letter in words substance state to
that the Ofcnse OF Mr. Bcecher adultery or inter
course with Mrs Tion. and that the paper sent the
best statement he could make under the circumsances
A. II Gen. Butler wrote "a letter would assume that
was what was in the letter. because know that that was
Gen. Buffers view Of the at the time, and he
trying to what kind of statement he could mako.
the superstition that Mr.. Beecher guilty.
O. Exactly Exactly That the basis or the aspect
OF the represented by Mr. Butler your conferences
with hint A. Not in all the conferences.
@ In the conferences in Boston and the conferences
here A. About the conferences In Boston don't re-
member what Gen. Buffers impression supposton
was; don't know that no stated it, know distinctly
that in the Interview at Mouon's house, Aug. 10,
Mr. Butler assumed Mr.. Bcechers guilt.
q What did you do with the package OF papprsi A.
returned it to Gen. Butler, without keeping copy
OF 10.
O. When did yOu return i'll A. Well. 1t IL within.
think, two months; It buried up in my papers; got
the boy oyerhaun; my papers, this Winter. and had
general ovcrhaun and that paper turned up had not
1t before since the time got it, directed 1t to be
sent back 10 Gen. Butler, and suppose IL was.
q. When you and Cen. Butler parted, at the time
OF the interview at your room. did you not part
with the understanding that he would prepare and for
ward to you statement A. Yes; no said 1t would
tinue-
O. Wait you have answered my question. I did not
ask that A. You say q statement l don't know what
You call "A statement; it not called statement by
Gen. Butler; that is not what he called it, what
called it,
Judge NciIson-You mean a written view about it.
Q. Well il 1t was not n statement, what was it'll a.
VOL. 1t his views of Mr.. Beechers rs no would
present them.
O. Well was it not in a form to be presented by some
body else beside Mr. Buter A. That don't know. for
/ never read it.
@. Did you not hear the dlctationi A. I heard what
proceeded In the dictatOn.
O. Yes, Sir: was it not in tho form Of staemontf A.
think it began in the form of statement-yes, Sir
U.
tween him and you that he should continue or finish
what he had beguni A. think it was.
@. Did you not request him to do ti A. After he
offered to.
O. After he offered tot LaughterI You sure that
you did do it until after he oeredl A. am sure.
@. But you did request hint A. Yes, Sir. after he
offered.
O. After no offered TO do it, you requested him. and yet
when the paper here you did not dcga to look
at it, A. did not, for it was too late.
O. When did 1t comet A. Ny recollection is it did
not arrive until after Mr. Bcecher's statement pre-
pared and published not however, certain Of that
some days elapsed and had given up hearing from Gen
Butter the subject and think. II 1 remember cor
rectly, that it the very morning that Mr. Bcechers
statement published that received this package
from Gen. Butler, but Of that am not certain know
did not read 1t at the time; know that.
O. Now was 1t not understood arranged. dis
cussed between you and Mr.. Butler, that this paper,
which Butler suggesting preparing should be pre-
scented read by Mr. Beecher to his church. and that
Mr. Beecher should make no statement before the nves
eating Committeei A. Mr.. Butler made suggestion OF
how he would treat this case
O. Oh! Mr. Tracy, please my question: A. Re
peat it, MIR. Beach.
Mr. Beach-The stenographer will please read it.
The Tribune stenogapher read the question as follows
80. Now, 1t not understood or arranged or dis
cussed between you and Mr.. Butler. that this paper
which Butler suggesting or preparing should be
presented and read by Mr. Beecher 10 his church, and
that Mr. Bcccher should make statement before the
Investigating Committed" A. IL was not arranged or
understood or nything Of the kind that Mr.. But
lers suggestion.
O. ask you IL 1t not discussedf A. IL was men,
toned by Gen Butler-yes, Sir.
O. Was it discussed A. think 1t was discussed, in
the sense that he made the proposition.
O. Yes Well, it not Also In connection with that
suggestion understood that Mr. Moulton should give up
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