New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-03-31

Q. And had You been for long time wen known as
friend Of Mr.. Beecher'sl A. suppose had Sir at
tended his church for a good while.
| @. How long; how late was that interview at Mr..
Bowens house proracted between you four
| gentlemen the subject of newspaper A. II was
quite long interview, sr lasted until late in the
! evening.
@ what was the scheme that was canvassed and con-
! sideredi
Mr.. Beach-That ia objected 10.
Mr. Tracy-I expect your Honor bring this CONVEX
home to Mr. Tilton afterward 1t is mere ques-
ton Of the order of proof.
Judge Nelson-T think you have it sufficiently. It was
the scheme of starting paper that the subject that
was considered
Mr. Tracy-Was the scheme Of starting new paperf
A. Yes, Sir
@ Who we're to be the parties to be interested in that
paperi
Mr.. Beach, object 10 that.
Mr.. Tracy-I do not ask what was the scheme; ask
who to be the parties 70 be interested in 1t.
! Mr. Beach-That he only know from what was
said.
Judge NeilsOn-Yes: cannot take il. II does NOT
yet appear that Mr. Johnson had any authority to SPEAK
for Mr.. TIltOn.
Mr.. shearman-Carpenter your Honor, not Johnson
Mr. Tracy-I shall show the conversation brought home
| to Mr.. Tllton.
Judge Nelson-very well. think we cannot take it
at present
Mr. Tracy-After that conversational will ask you this
fact did You refuse subscribe for the enterprise
Mr. Beach-That Is objected to.
| Mr.. Tracy-That is a fact
| Mr.. Blackwell, Sir it is fact that grows ont Of
Judge NeisOn-YOu can ask him whether he did or did
not subscribe. His refusing, think, is
@ Did you subscribe for that enterprise' A No, Sir;
did not
| Q Did you favor the enterprises
Mr.. Beach-We object to that.
Judge Neson-rhat il inmate rial
q. After this conversation, did you Mr.. Ttoni A
| don't remember, Sir whether did or not-do you
mean in relation to this cnterprsei
Q. No. ask yOu-I call your attention to cOnversa-
ton where the subject Of bacma talked about be-
tween yourself aud Mr.. T0n-dd you have such con-
versation A. On! Mr.. Tilton came to my house one
night, and said he had heard that had called him black
mailer asked him who told him he did not tell me
who told him 500 the conversation turned upon his rea
tions with Mr.. Beecher-
G. Now, Sir, had you at any time before that called
upon Mr.. Tlton--
Mr.. shearman-Mr, Clahin had not finished.
| Mr.. Tracy-Ah eZiusc me.
Mr. shearnalS 20 the witness Had yOu hnishedi
The Wiincss-Ies. Sir
@. Had you II any Time before that called Mr.. TlOn
| blackmailerl
| Mr.. Fullert0n-That is objected to. Sir.
Judge Neilson-Ne can't take that.
NJ. Tacy-I submit your Honor thar that is admssi-
Die and Material iOr TINS reason MT lItll comes 10 M
| Cadn and says: 81 understand you have called me-
| blackmailer'--
! Judge Nelson-Wel.
Mr. Tracy-Now propose show that in this CONVEX
| saon al Dir. B1wen'5 Mr. Claim did say that Mr..
| Tlt0n was a blaolunaier-
! Judge SeiIson-Weu. you give the conversation
! which occurred when Mr. Tlton present
Mr. Tracy-No, Mr. Tton not present, but the con-
yersation had been repeated to him. and he and
Air. Cladn - understand you have called me
blackmaer" Sow,I propose TO show by Mr. Claiin that
he had called him backmliler ana that the only con
yersation IN which he had denounced him black
was that cersation at Nj Bowens house, when
! this scheme Of starting newspaper was discussed
Judge NelsonIt is previous, Independent conversa-
ton. where Mr. Triton present and don't think we
:ake H. 1; the plaintiff came 10 this witness and in
quired whether he lad charged him with being black
mailer and the witness made swcr and avowed he had,
that would be competent; Lut the independent fact
| lying beyond is immaterial.
! Nj Tracy Will ask the question, and take your
! Honor, ruin. on Inc subject VIII the stenographer
please real the question, that may whether it is
in form.
TIE TRIBUNE stenographer read the question as fol-
Iowa.
NOW Sir had you at any time before chat called M
! Tilton a b~c,.lnai' ~
Judge Neilson-That is ruled out unless it was in ilr.
! Tiltons presence.
Mr. Tracy-Your Honor will be good TO note our
exception.
Judge NcilsOn-Certainly Sir.
q. State whether you had at this conversation
| AT Mr. BOwens house called Mr.. TtOn blacxmIleri
Judge NeiisOn-Thc same ruling.
Nj Tracy submit II your Honor please that the fact
OF that conversa tiOn-hat he to Mr.. Claim and
a-ked him thar question shows that this conversation
had been repeated by or other 10 Mr. TltOn.
judge Neilson-That might be- II may have been re-
peated TO him. but not adopted 10y him
Nj TrAcy-Tour Honor Will please note cur exception
will put another question. ITO the witness In that
conversation did you understand Mr. TltOn A. referring
to the interview that you had hai touching the newspa
per scheme at Mr.. Bowen, hOuset
MI FullertOn-That is objected to.
Jude Neilson-That is ruled OUT because we must take
the understanding from what said.
Mr. Tracy-Inasmuch a. could not get that
Judge Neilson-You liberty give the converse
tion Mr.. Ton had
Mr. Tracy-That is all. believe, on that subject ITO
plain Ifs COUNSEL You may examine the witness.
CROSS EXANINATION OF HORACE B. CLAF-
LIN.