The Portland daily press., 1875-04-21


his mind the $1,000 was blackmaI, but the
$4,000 did not, nor the $4,000 until afterwards.
The suggestion of black mall came to him in
this way-that Titon was using Moulton and
aud the latter was acting in an honorable way.
He didn't think the $4,000 savored of blackmail
till after it was paid. The thought of the
$4,000 urder the designation of blackmal did
not come to his mind till August 1874, when it
was sugges ed to him and he used the term he
heard, Shearman was there and took part in
the discussion, and Tracy was there. He
was actually beaten into the term. He de-
Tended MOult0n and they told him he was
green. (Laughter)
o. Do you now believe Mou!ton black
mai led you 10 getting those sums from you?
A. 1 want breathing time after the excite
1nent Of your questions.
@. rako your time and consult your lawyer
if you like.
Q. When it occurred to you that he might
have done it, point out any act or word OF his
that led to it?
A. | cannot, but thought the true way to
blackmail man like me was by working on
his good nature and geuerosity-moral black
mail, that is how the lawyers fought me up
and down aud beat it into me. They treated
me worse than Moulton,a great deal WORSE
(Laug0ter.)
O | ask you again whether you believe now
that Moulton levied blackmail upon you?
A. Well sir, if you mean levying coDtribu-
tions for his own advantage l dou't think he
did But If you mean taking advantage of my
generous feelings for the benefit of Tilton, L
| think he did 1t was entirely artificial judg-
meut [ fixed the sum of $4,000 myself 1t
was after returned from the White Mount
aims was at all times manageable by my
lawyers on the subject of blackmail. My
| statement to the committee was before that 1t
was not a written statement. stenographer
| took it down and when he revised it in August
1874 it became written statement. That was
| one of the periods in which he considered it
matchmaking. 1t was not periodical though.
| 1t did not wax and wane. When he made the
statement he was of the opinion it was black
| mailing. He was willing to say it to the world
| on the superstition that it was his fixed impress
| sion then. 1t became unfXed afterwards. In
| September his thoughts We're otherwise. He
| published nothing to justify the persons impll-
| Gated, because he had fear of his lawyers be-
| fore his eyes, and when they saw him they
| called him chicken hearted and made him feel
otherwise.
| Did not read in the papers denunciation of
| Tilton for Matchmaking, but he might have
| heard it In October, 1874, he talked with
| Tracy Sherman, Storrs, Cleveland, Wipslow
| and others Wnslow is a lawyer, and be
| thought it Matchmaking. He also talked with
| some men, afterwards put on the committee,
| about blackmailing he should sly Cleveland
| and Sage, aud possibly Storrs. He talked with
| CI6V0idu1, OuearLudu duu htyHHOuA iSlOio mo
| evidence was given. Cleveland was member
| of the committee. Witness appointed Cleve-
| land on committee. He is agent of the Chris
tan Union Publishing Co. and had no other
| opinion than that it was matchmaking, and this
| was before the testimony was given apd before
| Cleveland was placed on the committee Be
| fore Cleveland was put on the committee, VIII
| ness gave him some statements OF the facts
| Cannot recollect what they were He got the
| opinion of Cleveland an some facts of the case
before appointing him on the committee, but
not on the whole case He could not be defin'
| lite whether he got Sage's opinion before or
| after he was put On the committee. The COM
mttee never read their report to him and he
| never read it, and the contents were never re-
| peated to him, but he understood from various
| persons it was a triumphant acquittal. Never
| heard what was in it about blackmail and pls.
toll scene, only that it satisfied his friends and
| the church, and that satisfied him. Mr.. Sage,
| another member of the committee, is STOCK
| holder in the Christon Union Publishing 20.
| Cou Hsel here read an extract from Beecher' S
sermon on 1.-THE Nobility of Confession" Oct,
| 1868, concluding, at does not follow that you
| are to confess your crime when that would eu-
| tail misery on those around you,to relieve your
| own conscience" He did not remember
preaching it, but considered it sound doc
| trine. Adjourned.