New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-29
WHAT MR.. TILToN COULD NOT DENY.

O. Mr.. Tracy, l will ask you a question
You spoke of his stating acsOf his referring to
in this paper that he could not deny can you
state what those items we're A. can state some of
them. Sir He says: 81 cannot deny that Mr.. Beecher
went to my wife and obtained this retracton that can
deny cannot deny tire facts OF my own knowledge
what she says Il. B. said TO her"
O. That is Mrs Woodruff A. Mrs. Woodruff said
II. b. said TO her: al cannot deny OF my own knOw-
edge what she says Mrs Davis said TO her. lcannot deny
this extract OF letter which purports to be from Mrs
Davis Mrs Woodruff" and he nstanced several par
tculars that he could not dcny-more than able to
recall and thus fortified his argument that he could not
say that that publication lie. The conversation,
the discussion went until supper time, and we Went
down TO tea remember; and after tea we went up
and renewed again, and it continued on from then until
10 O'Clock
Mr. Bcach-Has he given all that he recollectS now OF
this conversational
Tho witncss-I have not given all recollect.
Mr. Beach, think we had better get il, Sir.
Mr. Evarts-well, propose to, but not at this mo-
ment
Mr. Blackwell. understand your Honor to rule that
VIC get the continuous recollection OF this Wit
moss as to that interview.
Judge Ncilson-Certainy.
Mr. Eyarts-I propose, with your Honor's permission
TO AJAX the witness a question with respect TO the
portion Of tie interview that ia apparently closed and
do not know that is necessary TO wait for the end OF the
other portions Of the interview. ITO the wtnesS] You
have said that there other facts OF parts OF
Mrs wocdhulrs articles that he could not dcny-some
which you have not repcatedi
Mr. Beach-And which he could not recall.
Mr. Evarts-And which yOu cannot recall. Now, ask
you. do you remember whether in this connection he
spoke about presiding at the soinway Hall meetings A.
do remember he said that he could not deny that he
kad ed ~ tho Stain Hall mi
q Do you remember his saying i'll this connection any
thing about denial OF the publication of the Woodruff
card A. In The WOrld-I remember that The paper
was gone quite carefully, what be could aud what
no could not deny.
O. Now 20 on with the interview farther 80 far you
recolect it, A. Toward the close of the interview dur
ing-I remember another point that occurred during
this discussion discussed with Mr.. Tilton the proba-
by of the truth of his wes statement in regard to the
charge Of improper proposals remember saying to Mr..
TtOn in that connection Mr.. Tilton, can understand
how you may believe Mr. DeecheT has been guilty OF that
Ofense aud understand possibly how your wife may
have conceived that he had intended TO make TO her an
improper suggestion; but now, isn't it probable
that this statement your wife that Mr. Beecher made
an improper proposal TO her IS the result Of msunder
standing her part that she has mscOnstrued some
marks OF his into improper SUGGESTION OF that She has
repeated something TO you which you have construed
into al improper suggestion the part of Mr.. Beecher
and that that is the origin of this whole materl" He
thought not He though there 10 mistake about it,
said ''Mr TOn, do you pretend to say thar Mrs. Til
ton the language she has given yOu quotes precisely
the language which Mr. Beechcr used TO herr" He said
ayes. certainly" said, DO you say-do you say thai
Mr. Bee her said TO Mrs. Tlton, Mrs Tilton desire
you be wife TO me, with all that that implies-do you
say that Mr.. Beecher used the last phrase
with all that that implies to Mrs-tO your wife9" He
said won't say that he used those precise words to her.
but that was inference from the suggestion that she
WAS 10 be wife to him." well" said f that part of it
is Inference Mr.. Ton, why may not al Of it be by
inference from what he said" Ipressed upon him the
suggestion that as his wife had denied the improper
solicitation now II Mr. Beecher denied it, and he made
this publication that he thought-that he thinking of
making thought the public would be likely to accept
the explanation that this matter arose from Mrs. TitOn
misunderstanding what Mr. Beecher had said, she
having repeated remark that Mr. Beecher had made
TO her to her husband who had misunderstood it, and
that that was the origin of the difficulty. And we dis
cussed the question whether, if he friendly TO Mr.
Beecer or not unfrendly to him, whether it would
be wise 90 consider whether that was not the TRUTH
and whether the public would not be more
likely TO accept that explanation and be sat
isfed with such statement than they
would with a statement which, in my Judgment, Mr.
Beecher must certainly deny If made and which his wife
had already denied. That phase of the matter dis
cssed and pressed that publication strongly upon Mr.
Tton and great length during that discussion pre-
soned my Of that matter to him, that that might
be satisfactory explanation and which the public
would accept, If made by him; but at the close of the
conversation. remember that Mr. Moulton asked me
what would propose solution of the matter, and
then asked them again. said to them, "That depends
upon what you want TO accomplish If you want to bury
this scandal and e1tinguish it, think propose
plan that will accomplish it," They asked what 1t
aud stated IL.
MR.. Triton WANTS THE PAPERS PRE-