The New York herald., 1875-11-24
CARDINAL M'CLOSKEY.
His Eminence on a Visit to
Cardinal Cullen.
An Interesting Conversation with a
Herald Correspondent.
ITALY AND THE POPE.
Difficulties Between the Vatican
and the Government.
nunLlN. Nov. 3. 1875.


short and there many objects OF interest which
claim his attention Catholic probate, that his time
Is fully occupied and no leisure IS left him 10 pay or
20 receive ordinary visits Nevertheless His Eminencc
pleased TO make exception n favor Of the repre-
sentative OF the HERALD and sent him word last night
that he would be happy to him this morning
Eccles street. where Cardinal Cullen lives, Is in the
northeastern portion or the town not far from the city
boundary AT extremity is placed the fine general
hospital or the Mater Miserieordie, which has been
erected within the last fifteen years, exclusively by
voluntary subscriptions. There is an annual govern.
ment grant out OF the funds voted by Parliament
aid OF some OF the Dublin hospitals, but this one be-
Ing under denomnatlonal management, receives
aid from that source and depends for its maintenance
private benevolence alone Most of the houses in
Eecles street date back to the middle Of the
last century, when the presence OF her
native Legislature made Dublin the fashionable
well the administrative capital Of the
country The house in which Cardinal Cullen resides
is considered here to be good Substantial one indeed
1t rather above the OF such houses in this
city. Upon arriving was at shown to the draw
ing room, a simply furnished apartment. The chief
were some Italian religious paintings and
objects Of religious art among which two
magnificent books connected with ecclesiastical
monla were conspicuous
THE CARDINALS APPEARANCE.
Cardinal McCloskey at 10 me- with that
native politeness which instnctively inspires promp
titude punctuaty where the time or interests OF
others concerned 1t would be impertinence on
my part describe the readers OF the HERALD the
familiar features OF the Archbishop of New York But
they will be glad know that he in good health and
does not tired after all rapid journey
lngs From of his remarks it is quite clear that
the affairs and interests OF the Empire City occupy
the foremost place in his mind.
AND ITALY.
After few preliminary remarks on both sides
inquired about the health OF the Pope The Cardinal
replied that His Holiness was In excellent health; in
deed it marvellous considering his great age and
The many trials and affections he has seen and stl
suffers His spirits excellent there is no sign OF
decay or tagging visible about him.
s it likely that he will to any terms with
The Italian government ~
~ do not think so l should say he never thinks OF
Iuch thing He feels on the point precisely as he
expresses himself in those little speeches which he
occasionally makes to persons received in audience
'Dld you perceive much change in Rome 20
s'No. You may not be aware that was in Rome last
yearn
''But since the time OF the Vatican Council ~
'Yes there is change in the outward appearance OF
The city Certain lines OF streets are being
opened up, certain buildings have had their occupa-
non completely changed"
"Among the inhabitants is there much change visi-
Ne in the habits and views Of the people ?"
eyes regret to say there is considerable change
lmong certain class. Do not misunderstood me-
Priests and other ecclesiastcs may 20 about in gen
pral without danger OF moestation. But that reIg-
Dus atmosphere which peryaded Rome and which made
be the city that II was i quite gone There are no
Onger the outward signs with hch every visitor in
brmer times familiar. For example, when formerly
beggar asked you for aims, 1t was invar-
bly With some pious speech as per ramor dl Dio
for the love OF Cod; per "a Madonna for our Lady,
And when you dropped into his box, or placed IN his
hand your benefaction, however small, Il was always
thankfully acknowledged, with the addition OF some
sous prayer for the benefactor All this has dlsap-
peared. You are asked sturdily; and whatever you
Ive you likely to be asked more or rated for
lot having been more liberal speak only OF Rome.
believe things are not so bad in other places But
is easy 70 understand how such consequences must
bllow from the position Of Rome 1t is the centre
into which the elements OF all kinds pour, spread
ng their evil practices and irrelgious notions Nor
IS it easy to how any Improvement is poss-
Die The government have laid their hands on the
schools and have quite seized upon the education Of
the rising generation. II Is merely that the con-
duct aud supeTtcndence Of education has been taken
out Of the hands OF ecclesiastical persons but ii is in
tended that religion shall be utterly excluded from the
schools and the knowledge Of God quite ban
ished from the minds of the young people
CATHOLIC SCHOOLS NEEDED.
rswln anything be done to meet this position or ar
TGairsY"
'sThey must set about establishing schools y
"Then this is permitted BY the existing laws2"
"Oh yes. There is legal equality Whore Prot
estant and Baptist schools allowed perfect freedom
1t would be hard that Catholics should not Be allowed to
establish Catholic schools and this the city 81 Rome
or course do not refer 70 university collegiate
education or TO higher education Of any kind There
Is no freedom OF instruction in this the state has
monopolized it all But freedom is permitted FOR the
lower class Of schools. The Catholics may establish
them for themselves But they viii have assist.
ance from the State at all They must support them
themselves And this is the difficulty For, as per-
haps you may know they not wealthy, and they
have not the means Of doing much"
ITALIAN GoyKRSMENT THE BISHOPS.
"some troubles have arisen, believe in parts
or Italy between the government and the bishops.
"ln some parts Italy the bishops have been called
upon by the TO surrender their residences
II impossible to convey adequate idea Of the way
in which the poor bishops have been treated in
property has been seized upon b. tho government and
converted into public funds The interest only Of this
converted property IS payable 70 ecclesiastical
persons, and this very interest is itself taxed
thirty per cent What do you say 70 thatS
But this is not ALL In several places the bishops
and other eccesastcs have not only been stripped Of
the revenues and property which The pety of former
generations had provided for them but they have even
been robbed OF the interest which assigned to them
by law Of the state funds which had been subsu
tuted for their property. They reduced TO posi-
tion OF starvation. The Holy Father came 10 their
relief and out Of his own funds furnished them with
the means Of living But the government has come
down on them even here. II compels them 70 make a
faithful return or their OF livelihood from what
ever source derived and actually compes them to pay
tax or thirty per cent on the miserable ptance which
they receive from the bounty OF the Pope"
sEMISARrEs AND COLLEGES.