Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1875-03-26
THEODORE AND "vICKEY."
ColOred witnesses A gafnst Tilton.

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fed as follows: / stayed with Mr. Beach till
/ fall, and came to Mr.. Holmes in Brooklyn.
! was also with James f. Broome, in East
| 18th street. After that went to Mrs. Wood
hull's, where remained till after the publ
cation of the paper in 1872. This paper con-
tanning the scandal was dated November 2,
1872. learned to read at school in Virginia.
! did the marketing for Mrs. Woodruff, and
/ saw Mr.. TiltOn there for the most time three
| or four weeks after / came there. 1t was on
! the occasion OF lecture of some kind then.
| because some people were assembled. j had
/ not been long there at the time had been
at the house over two months before went
| Mrs. Woodruff went to Washington, on a
! Sunday, and Mr.. TiltOn was there on that
| occasion. When / went down to the office
| came To board at 6A Classon avenue, Brook
| Iyn, but sometimes / would stay at Mrs.
| Wcodhull's house in 3Sth street. saw Til
| ton at the house again after the lecture in
| the spring of 1871. i don't remember seeing
| him again at the house. was introduced 10
| him at the office, and this was my first ac-
| house in the end of the spring or beginning
| of the summer, but of this / am not sure. /
saw him more often at the office when he
used TO greet them and they would greet him.
| They usually lInched
| IN THE UPPER ROOM IN DELMoNICO'S;
more than dozen times. Sometimes was
| sent TO the office for things and then would
| see them. They were sitting down at a small
| table i'm the upper room; this was in 1871 and
| 1872. The first time saw them lunch there
| was in the spring of 1871. do not remember
| seeing them lunch at COTtis' restaurant.
| When went up 10 Delmonico's, Mrs. Wool
hull, Miss Clatlin and Mr.. Tilton were there
| lunchiug on these occasions. Mr.. Tilton was
absent at the time of the Greeley presidential
| campaign. could not tell how long before
| i was arrested Mr.. TiltOn was away cam
paigning; it may have been four or five weeks.
| was laid up about six weeks with pneump-
mia, think. l was attended by doctor
Up 10 the time OF my being i'll, was en-
ployed i'll the office of Woodruff x Clatiin.
The entrance to DelmOnicO's Is on the same
| side Of The street as the Woodruff q Claims
no ct limo 7 In K4-lS af flnsa
office they We're
TALKING ABOUT THE BEECHER ARTICLE.
They were in the middle office. Nothing
was said about it till he came in. Mr.. Til
| ton spoke first about publishing the Beecher
article. He said could do it directly, but I
| would be crushed. am man and you are
| woman, and they would not crush yor. /
| was opening exchanges at the time behind
the counter, and they were all standing up.
Mr.. Tilton said, Mickey, if you publish this
| thing you will be made woman" Mrs.
Woodruff then had an Interview with Col.
Blood. and he said he would not undertake
| 10 publish it. Mr.. Tilton asked him why he
would not as Plymouth church had a rich
| congregation who would pay 500, 600 to have
IL suppressed. | was then opening the eX
| changes behind the counter, and was stand
ing sideways to them; j ma rked the clippings
| in the exchanges for Col. Blood to clip out for
publication in the paper; after this CONVEX
sation they went into the back office, but /
could not hear what was said; shortly after /
was called in there; they were still talking
| about this subject; | heard Tennie Clanin
and
MRS. Woodruff URGING COL. BLOOD
TO publish this article, but he refused to have
| anything to do with it; heard all of them
| use the phrase, % the Beecher article do
not think they were then talking about the
ChalliS article; when was called into the
inner room IL was to get the order for lunch;
this was in the year 1872, before / was taken
sick; / was boarding in Brooklyn then; l
think Mr.. Tilton was away before that con-
verSatiOn on the campaign; this was the first
time had seen him since his return; heard
ig IN n tor hpf fNr-n
this in their office in Broad street; it may
have been about two months; think IL was
in the front Office heard the conversation;
| they were speaking about Beecher AMI
Plymouth church; this was the time they
were talking about free love: this was in the
spring of 1872, but / heard this conversation
several times; only heard them speak of the
Beecher article on a Monday and Tuesday,
shortly before its publication; / was taken
sick shortly after this; | was opening The eX-
changes on both days of the conversation;
the conversation was The sam on both
days, and began in The middle Office; on the
first day
MR.. Triton SAID HE HAD AN ARTICLE
he wanted her TO publish; they read il over.
and she went to talk with Col Blood ab1at
it; j could not understand what they were
reading; was moving around the office; |
heard them talking about the Beecher arti-
Gle; do not think Tilton read as loud as he
talked they were proofs that they were
reading; some of the papers were printed and
some written; / do not know if Mr.. TiltCn
brought the papers, but Col. Blood was rot
there when the papers were introduced; Til
ton said, ''Nic, have got something here for
you, and ii you print il il will be one of the
best things ever yOu dOne;'' think she said,
Lets see" and they all sat down on the
sofa and began talking; l think Miss Clahin
said something, butt do not remember what;
they sat on the sofa about an hour or more;
this was on Monday. Tilton then said, II
dare not publish ii, for they would crush me,
but you are a woman and ca fott." Colonel
Blood was then called and they went into the
back office, where they remained about an
hour; when | went in heard Col. Blood say
he would have nothing to do with it. and
Tilfon said il would be the making of him,
as BeecherS congregation would
GIVE SIG0,000 TO STOP ITS PUBLICATIONS.
On the following day the same conversation
occurred in the same place. This converse
ton occurred some time before the scandal
| was published. never heard a word about
| the Beecher story before this. Before May,
| 1s12, | think Mrs. WOOdhUll moved from
| Thirty-eighth street to Twenty-third street.
do not remember how iong she remained in
| Iwenty-third street, but she removed from
there to Irving Place. ! saw Tilton at TWEEN
| ty-third street more than once about half-a-
| dozen tunes. saw him in the Irving Place
house once. ! think they left Irving Place
after their arrest. ! went To Irving Place
house before was taken sick, and sometimes
stayed all night. When ! saw him there
Mrs. Woodruff and Miss Claiin were there.
| They were reading proofs and maapscr.pts.
They Were more Serious that evening than
usual, Mrs Woodruff introduced .ne at one
time 10 Mr.. Tilton, and think she said ne
was editor or mad beeh editor of the Brooklyn
Union. / remember the Steinway Hall
meeting | think ii was in The fall OF 1871.
The year before the conversation In Mrs
WoodhUll's office, Tilton, during his visit to
the office, sat
WITH MRS. Woodruff on THE SOFA.
ana having his arms around her when par
ties were passing in and out. This sofa was
| in the middle of the office. | was witness
| in United States courts, and gave evidence;
| then Mrs. Woodruff was under arrest for
mailing improper matter. Ibid not tell them
| that | knew that Tilton wrote il. / said
believed he wrote it. said heard him read
| il, but not that he wrote it, L did not tell
| them that l carried the proof-sheets from
Mrs Woodruff TO Tilton. L received sub
poena some time ago at my residence. Idave
| not seen Mrs. Woodruff or Miss Clafiin since
| they were ON trial. / was first talked to about
| this case on Monday, at Mr. Hills Office, in
| this city. also talkedewith Alderman Whit
| ney about il. / have done several jobs for
different people since left Mrs. Woodhulls
| employment.
| This finished the cross examination.
| Redirect eXamination:-Ig go to school with
| Mr.. Dorsey, a colored man, who keeps a
school for grown-up people. never work at
4 any carpenteriIg business now. The lunch
was generally taken at Mrs. Woodhull's
| office. On the occasion of the lecture was
waiting at the door, opening and closing it.