New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-08-12
THE INDIAN COMMISSION.
prs1n,pr1ON OF THE INVESTIGATION.

RESUMPTION Ot HE lNNESli VhiioA''
TESTIMONY OF LIEUT.. HAY AND JULES EcoFfEE-
THE CHARACTER OF THE SUPPLIES STATED
PROP. MARsH's CHARGES SUSTAINED.
mon SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT OF THB TRIBUNE
CAMP FLETCHER, Fort Laramie, Aug. AT about
o. M to-day the Commissioners for the investiga-
zion of the Indian frauds resumed their dellDera-
tons Ii had been their intention TO examine Gen.
Bradley the commander of the post, but it was con-
cluded 10 defer il until Tomorrow. jules Ecohec'
the interpreter, first examined. lie had pech
Indian trader at Fort Laramie. few days m'er
DR.. Saville was appointed Indian Agent tne ial,e'
revoked his license and dismissed MN hon 'no
agency. Ecoffee, who is rather pecuar man. sa'o
clear statements of his observations at the ked
Cloud Agency From the officers at the post learn
that h. is All accomplished linguist, speaking seven
languages and is considered very trustworthy.
He was graduated at Swiss college, ana
emjgrated to this country nearly % years ago. ana
has lived 20 wears in the West among the lnolahs
and the frontiersmen He detailed to the commas
non the opinions entertained by the Indians Oh III.
Sayille They complained that DIR. SaViile robbed
them of their food and clothing. Ecoffee detained
the character of the four tobacco, and conec luf-
nished to Red Cloud and his band
Lieut. Leonard Hay also gave his statement IN
which he fully confirmed the previous statements OF
tbe had ouaty of the tobacco and coffee furnished
he saw at the agency. Both witnesses confirm the
statements of Prof Marsh respecting the bad char
acer of the cattle, -four, coffee, and tobacco fur-
nished at Red Cloud to the Indians.
TIE TESTIMONY.
jules Ecohce testified that he hved 'hree nil's "Uoo
the fort on the River had been III hat country
TWENTY-FIVE years had been Indian trader al heu 'louu
.nce he had been dismissed had been there six or seven
times was trader there two years ago; when Dr. saVe
took office he dismissed witness; witness was there IN
November 1874; he did not believe that at any une
there were over 1000 10000 Indians at Red Nouo
Agency: frequently they went on hunt ana heh 'hec
was only half that number; was trader al Red 'oua
Agency ever since the agency was established' was
trader at the old Red Cloud Agency two years ana d
business under the name OF John Richard q Co.; was
there only few days after Dr. save came; after MS
dismissal he went back several times staying there
week sometimes in the opinion Of witness, affairs were
badly administered by DR.. saville at Red C'ouo :
witness knew Of the Issue OF Texas cattle therc; hau
been beef for the roops for several years ana
therefore knew something about catle did not beneNe
that the cattle Of superior quaty; lie sa"
two-year-old cattle issued there and, taking them all
through he did not believe the cattle would average any
thing like what was claimed the cattle issued at the
agency were Of all kinds many COWS as steers; was
at Red Cloud in November but did not particularly re-
member the cattle issued cattle issued there
when Prof Marsh at the agency; the cattle theh
isued there above the average these cattle might
have averaged 900 pounds, but ne ala not peAeNe
Il; Texas COW, large and fat, would average
$50 pounds net; cattle OF 800 pounds VIII dress
down 10 400 pounds net; cattle OF COO pounds would
dress less than 800 pounds metz was at Red Ciono
last Winter; the Indians did not have plenty OF FOOD or
clothing they ont OF flour, beef bacon &c, ana
they suffered severely he had heard that some OF the
Arapahoes died of starvation. but could not swear IT, as
be had no personal knowledge witness spoke the sioux
Language and had spoken with the Indians they Old not
like Dr save and wished 10 have him sent off, Red Cloud
IN witnesses presence told Gen Bradley and fro MARSH
that they want Dr. savie, as he stole the Iood
and clothing; witness spoke with Man-Afraidoi-fls-
Horses and sword and indeed with all the principal men;
they o complained Of Dr. sayie, and alleged that they
md moi get their rights goods wcro carried 70 Kcd
Cloud Agency by the old Red Cloud Agency road
"a miles below here; the distance from
cSeysRn to @ m and from there to the present.
Red Cloud Agency 40 miles making an aggregate OF
road little shorter but loaded teams could not use 1t
because was too sandy the route a' erse tsaeiGe
was 65 miles long, witness was at the agency tne ue
The annuity goods distributed he did not examine
times he would stay at Camp Robinson. but generally
was at the agency; at the time Prof. marsh ana Cen
brought in samples Of sugar tobacco and -four which
were very bad; the flour was az BLACK as stove; W.T.
kind of food they received; they said, fes;'
Ave but since they had ceased the Oufslo there
were probably from seven u ne they formerly made
busloes have become they make their clothes
and lodges OF issued by the Government with
witness bought some OF This for hi. hces at the
agency last Fall II was good enough 10 feed 10 norres
lint not make bread the coffee witness saw was
that which Red Cloud showed 20 him and told him that
A had issued by the agent for ratons; witness eaw
the pork issued, thought it Lsr in quality; he did
not Indians cut slices OF PORK on ana throw II away
Inlians did like pork when they Wege hungry they
lean part they preferred fat witness arrived at BIS
knowledge of the number OF Indians by counting the
plumber Of lodges; TO get the good VIII Of a powerful
chief will often Issue more ratons 10 the chef
than entitled to- and the rest OF the poor women
and children mnst suffer ne proportion OF twoyearGd
ion as 10 the weight OF the cattle because he might DC
wrong the Indians in the habit OF complaining be-
they complained more Of Dr.. sayie than of
any other agent; they, complained that Dr. sa-
witness knew Of the fact that quantities Of -four were
cold by the Indians to different persons some OF the
-four he bought himself for his horses most OF me we
who had married squaws bought all the Hour that
they wanted; he did not know whether any had Deen
sold the freight witness was born aud educated
in SWITZERLAND he had lived in this country - years OF
witch u years had been passed in the Ear West;
he had sold cattle and knew something about Texas
cattle II tat and IN good condition they wouu weigh
1000 pounds; lid not want TO answer any questions
which involved his opinion of the weight Of Texas cattle
al 'e Red Cloud Agency; he saw rotten tobacco III the
hands o. Indians; saw thcm throw away, and saw
them sell 10 the soldiers this tobacco was ia Jugs
IL or Ia inches long, and or inches wide;
u Was rotten, aud must have been unfit
10 chew the Indians buy tobacco from The trader
saw none of this black or rotten tobacco sold by tie
trader saw the tobacco when Red Cloud handed to
Prof. Marsh, in the presence OF Gen Bradley saw
quantity Of bad flour in the house Of the Interpreter
Joseph Blschnett deceased the nOir was All III
Jumps and dscOored he could not tell whether II II had
been branded he knew that great deal o. flour had
branded by the inspector OF this -four from
The storchouse issued TO the indians he had
and yellow for the last two years they did not have
100 sacks OF good -four; the rest was bad
ago; he did DOT remember the number OF times had a
personal inouedge OF theft by the Indian Agent Dr.