New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-09-17
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THE LIE GIVEN TO JOHN KELLY.

THE LIE GIVEN TO JOHN KELLY
Mr. Kelly was allowed 10 minutes in which to close
the debate. He denied that there was any bargain
with Mr. Wales as charged. He characterized MIR.
Creamer as poor but bright and promising young
man. when the Ring took him up and elected him to
the Legislature. where he became its plant and sub
sequent instruments and by corrupt practices be
became wealthy.
Mr.. Creamer declared it was false.
Mr.. kelly-it is true
Mr.. Creamer replied excitedly You are liar
i Mr.. Kelly said he had heard such things before
!. from young men.
One of the members Of the Committee here pro
tested against any more personalities being indulged
II in by either side They were entirely foreign to the
H question under consideration and dstastefu to him.
II and he judged. To- the rest Of the Committee.
II The Chairman said he would allow more per
II s0naties from either side
Mr.. Kelly said tic question of whether or not he
had been guilty If overcharges while Sheriff would
be shown when the cases in which he was interested
came on for trial before the courts. He dehed any
To prove that he had been guilty of dshon-
est action either in private public life Mr. Dreamer
said if Justice was not accorded by the Convention
10 his delegation they would come more to State
Convention, but would present their claims for re-
cogniti0n as the representatives, of the New-fork
Democracy to the National Convention next year.
There would be a divided party in the state
MORRssEY, HAYES, AND LEDwIrH HEARD.
The Committee then took up the of the con-
testing delegations from the lid. XIth, and XVIII
Assembly Districts of New York headed respectively
by James Hayes, John Morrissey and Thos. A. Led
with. Mr.. Hayes claimed that he was virtually a
member of the Tammany General Committee of the
District Association; that there body of men
otth riy.d he Democratic
voters who elected him as their representative. He
claimed to be a duly elected delegate from the Hid
District.
John Aiorrissey spoke for the delegation from the
XIth District. He took much the same ground as
Mr. Hayes He claimed that the Tammany Organl-
cation had no power 10 expcl him. Why IT was done
he could not say. He charged with giving money
to aid N getting meeting to protest against re-
ductiOn of laborers' wages. He admitted this and
that he had done this and would do 30
again. He did not think this just ground
for expulsion NJ. Kelly could have it done IN their
eases He could have the same thing done IN any
Assembly District in the State. 1t was matter
that interested every delegate. He and his
associates were elected by conventions called by
the district associations in accordance with the
prescribed rules of the Convention and were I'M
questonaDy the regular Tammany delegates. lie
believed himself better Democrat than Mr. heLy'
He had been a member of the Tammany Hail organ
izaton for more than 20 years. lie was member
until turned ont by Tweed and confederates. He re-
entered Tammany Hall with Mr. Kelly. and aided
him in reorganizing il. He was engaged IN dong
good Democratic work when Mr. Kelly was in Al
bany at the last session bargaining with the Repub
leans about the Civil Justices bill
Mr. Kelly denied that he had been so engaged.
Mr. Morrissey declared that he had received his In
formation from the Republicans, with whom Mr.
Kelly was bargaining.
Mr. Morri,sry then proceeded at considerable
length 10 give statement of the manner in which
he and his associates had been expelled from Tam
many Hall to show that it did not rightfuy possess
the power TO expci him and his associates.
Thomas \. LcdwIth spoke for himself and asso-
/ c.fes from the XVIII District, stating. IN the main
the ground covered by Hayes and Morrissey.
Augustus Schell, speaking for the Tammany dele
gatcs from their three districts claimed that the
rammany General Committee had the power t'
expci those who proved TO be d-loyal to TIE
organization n Hayes. MOrrissey, and Ledwlth had
been amply proved to be-
Memo Diefendorf and VIM II. Rooney also sup
ported the argument of Mr. Schell.
The Committee after deliberatlon. decided unan
mously to reject the claim Of the anti-Tammany
DELEGATION 10 seats III the Convention, ana by q VOC
of l. u rejected the claims Of the delegations
headed by Hayes. Morrssey and Ledwith. The
session occupied the entire afternoon and portion
/ Of the evening. The Tammany men were naturally
iubilant over the result of their victory, and theil
opponents c0rrcspondlngly depressed The majority
I of the members of the anti ammany delegation
say that they will support the nominees OF
the Convention. but that thew propose TO make a
strong contest on the local ticket, and that next
year they will send a delegation to the National
/ Convention, where they hope to have justice done
/ them The stormy scene between Mr. Kelly and
/ Mr. CIeamer was also discussed. In spite on the
strong language used. it was admitted by all That
Mr.. Kelly preserved his temper admirably
and presented his in clear anu fore
bic manner Morrissey also won enconlums
for the manner in which he nade Ms
Gght against odds and the clear statements made By
HIM in simple language free from epithets or coarse
/ illusions. His speech made a favorable impression
on the Committee A. was evidenced by the vote ne
received. Many of the anti Iammany delegation
left FOR New-York late train and the remainder
will leave IN the morning.
STATE COMMITTEE.
During The evening the several delegations sent III
the names of their State Committeeman from dis
tricts in which no contests exist, namely:
District District ~
II VIM d. Neeier. ny =. W 3hcl
III. WIN. \. Fowler. M WIN w ,,oruon
~ FRANCIS Nolan xxi. Allen e. Beach.
Nicholas Muller. XIII. James q. Preston
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