The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-02-09

Mr.. Evarts then commenced crosse Xamna-
ton OF the witness, who stated:-l said that an
a was ,n mace e 70 pqo5h n9se Letters az
making any application 10 any OF the leading
10 o publish nsm 10 New E3rx one o. sn
an application To me Tor permission to print them
q. What paper was thats A. Neu York Trio.
une.
e., g Do you remember making an application to
making an application TO me Tor my sworn state
ment: that also refused.
Z. Wei, am not talking abou: that and ask
II Your Honor please, to have that struck out.
The Ju'Ge-ies, strike tnat out; 1t was not
Q. You are quite sure you did not make any APP
plicaton or suggestion 10 New YORK paper TO
repuoshn from the Chicago paper these letterss A.
9. Yes A. on. that is another matter.
did not you m SIR nrsI sr the
were published in Chicago It was my wisn-or
repuolished here. and when MIR. De Fontaine, then
the city editor OF the HERALD told me, as he was
letters. that he would request me TO uss nv judg.
meLt III the selection Of suca parts as would pre-
~ OF esr. wee n Ihs
NEW YORK HERALD; the seection was made by
myself, IN Connection WITH General Pryor; General
Pryor vent over 60 the HERALD ONCE with me.
q. Mr.. Tllton, VINO was Onver Johnson, and what
relations had ne to you IN business or in personal
2. Yes a: ana WIN require long answer;
son !. shall begin with that.
q Yes. A. oliver Johnson is an old gentleman
living IN New YORK: he used 20 De editor Of the
Ant -Siarep Standard. and a'terward he became
my associate editor IN the Independent; and he is
linton 10 help Mr. Beecher carry his case so that
the public eye could not see IT,
wanted 10 Know ms connectioS with the case YOU
Mr.. Evarts ito the Judge)-l ask to have TINT
struck out about the CarlstfaH U".on and the
The Judge--That last remark about the C1rtsttan
Union strike out.
liI. Evarls-l know IL does.
Mr. rnton-Excuse me. Mr.. Evarts understood
your question to refer TO Mr.. Johnson Ia connec
iion with TINS case
Mr. Eyarts-I nave not said a word about this
case.
Mr. Tlton-Mr. Evarts If you want to know who
Mir. johnson Is can give you written biography
OF nlm, which ne mas prepared lor me to use to be
printed alter his DEAN.
The Judge state VINO he was.
Mr. Eyarls-ls mat the best answer to my In
curry you can give as TO Oliver Johnson
Mr.. I1ton-lou asked me who he was, not who
mr.. Evarts-I asked you who oliver johnson is
what his relations 10 you In business were; what
In personal intimacy and friendship with your
family That Is my original question.
Mr.. rilton-pld not ans yer that?
Mr.. Evarts-Don't ask me what you answered,
M. liiton---I think have answered that; I told
you that Mr.. Johnson, so lar az he was related to
me, was my associate editor In the Independent.
" hat else do You want to know about
The calm dow OF the previous days suffered an
interruption. Tilton was quick and nervous,
over.ready and disposed to be sharp-to give lit.
eral answers to what were plainly not intended
Tor literal questions. Evarts wished to know tho
was Oliver Johnson. Il can iurnish you biogra.
ply oil the man. TO be published after his DEATH"
as that o correct answer to my question:,
frowned Evarts. II understood you asked me,n
retorted Triton, ''who Oliver Johnson was"
"Well. l now ask you VINO Oliver Johnson Is" sont
back Evarts, netted at the "Trip the witness gave
Elm. Evarts felt there was little grease needed.
The machinery grated and worked uneveny.
Lawyers. however, have wonderful patience and
put uncommon faith in sweet OIL and the essence
oil time.
Witness communicative were. very intimate for
a numuer OF years, commencing from my twenty
nrst year; am not acquainted with hlm now, as
should not recognize nlm II l met him on the
know know my intimacy continued until alter put
him III the CHRISTIAN Union: when l first became
at the WIN s @ ia New even ae
and a.terward he became NY associate In the
edltorsnip OF tne Independent; ! cannot give the
date exactly; think he was about seven years
ON the Htdeoendent; we retired about the same
time; we practically retired at the same Time;
mat retirement was at The close u the year 1870;
my Impression Is that ne retired with me
after ABOUT seven years; | won't be posi-
tive tEat; Mr.. Johnson was not
the Independent while Mr. Beecner was
there; he did not begin with me; we were
together; alwa. s liked him, but Mrs. lIlton did
not IKE him 20 come 10 our house; he came very
say ve not Of very
time; ne Came occaslonatlyj she thought ne was
hereto In religion and aidn,t wish me TO bring
him there when he lett the Independent ne be-
came the editor or the Weekly Tribune under
Horace Greeley; our intimacy continued during
that time.
TrLToy,s INCOME
q. Now, sir, In these lecturing tours OF yours
that preceded 1870, that Is preceded the season OF
1870 ana lSl-take tue Two last years. ls6s-9 ana
lS69-7O-wnat was The aggregate OF your receipts
or emOiuments Iiom that source OIL Incomer A.
You mean each season.
Q. Yes. A. Well. don't know that can answer
from memory
q. Was not there some statement In one OF the
letters read this mornInyl a. My Impression 10 IN
the rough that lor number OF years III succession
lreceved from my lectures about SS. 600 or So 900,
from winch my travelling expenses nad to be de-
Quoted; when took possession oil the Independent
II mad a very good circulation and had a very lar
repute, except IN orthodox circles; Mr. Beecher
had cast over It reputation tor neresy ana cas-.
upon It a reputation ior extreme radicallsm in the
antl.slavery contest; sIiIl, Doth those reputa-
tons were, In my Judgment, good, think may
Bowen said It's circulation was increased under
my ACCOMPLISHMENTS ', tLink tae i.dependest Tor
Thompson and myself, has mad steady growth
untu the time wnen the anti slavery movement
was settled and the war was over; after that
don't know nythlng aDUat It; remember this
this have dIstact recollection oi--ust the lime
alter-Mr. DO ven ruolls led In he Independent
highly natterine article concerning the prosperity
/ VI MS pdpeI. VI "ulCu ilSuiciuVcT ne gave lOuB
list OF 1850 post Offices to wnicn it mad gone. ana
he pointed to that TACT a3 an instance OF Its un-
! paraileled prosperity; happen to remember that;
! X ow that the paper nad gained ~ strength
aud reputation; ! know RON the constant
/ prDclanations wnicn the publisher mace year
by year ne mad habit occasionally o. putting
! before The readers the past history OF
tue paper and comparing the receipts
SIX months OF the last year. and all those sho ".
lngs Always made Tor the prosperity OF the Iade.
pendent; mat journal was Ike fevoutlous--it
never went backward, at east according to the
statements made W us publisher; | unquestion-
ABLY from time TO time knew netting ABOUT the
circulation OF the paper, but 1t was constantly
nuctuating aud as have been out OF II four
years wouldn't undertake 10 say what the clrcu.
laton was; have an Indlstnct recollection when
first went into the INDEPENDENT Mr. Bowen told
me the Circulation was within l;.0oo; remember
those figures; but wnat 1t was when | let don't
| know: THIS Is very rough guess, and ] may be
dong mucn lnjusuce TO much higher numbers;
a nQn traLnEa nm. tia In