The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-01-23
SATURDAY, SUPPLEMENT-

be used for political puIps:s, in any district Or to
used the money as any other person.
TIE PLAN OF THE WORK
U pld any list OF members OF Congress pass De-
tween you and Hatch A. Those employed to
promote the subsidy by using their influence to
doubtful ana those who ought to be spoken to;
the names OF those IN favor were marked red,
those against blue. and dot was placed against
q. How many members were allotted 70 each
one 10 looS AFTER A. There was no allotment;
every man was expected TO earn his money.
z. How many men were reported to you as hav-
ing oeen spoken to pro or con. A. suppose
=. @ We're hey from any particular section9 A.
No. but most. OF them were southern or Western
men.
q. Did Hatch say he mad facilities for operating
en- members nom any section, A. No; but ne was
nuence; 90 not think samuel Is a relative OF
Runs Hatch.
HOW SENATOR COLE WAS REACHED.
Ire Witness, In reply 10 question where he oe-
came acquainted with A. ii. Whiting, wno re-
ceiyed $1,000 said he had forgotten whether IL
relations on the Pacific coast being formerly
member OF the firm OF Hooper, Whiting Co., OF
Whiting Is cousin or brother OF the Whiting
whose sister married ex-senator cole; he met
the subsidy OIL was pending; II was not An accf
dental meeting. out brought about bv arrange
ment IN New York; as near as ne could remem-
Der whiting was to come TO Washington and use
his influence In behalf or the subsidy, and do what
ever ne could and what witness told him TO do;
Whiting wanted very large sum Tor his services;
witness hesitated some time, but at last came to
the conclusion they were worth what Whiting
asked for them.
Q. WHAT reason is assigned fo- putting so high
an estimate on his servicess A. None; but he
said that he wanted that much money; my i'm.
preston is that at first he did not want anything
TO do with business as IL would, interfere with
MS own ! found that whiting nad innnence with
who indignant with tue company mot with
me personality for having, as he thought. inter
anal m hil al aef
company had nothing 10 do with IL; cole SAID that
some OF our men had been at sacramento work.
ing against him; Cole also knew l was warm
friend OF sargent, and naturally desired
his election; although as matter OF
Sargent against cole, had particularly cautioned
our men not to take part IN Senatorial AFFAIRS; 1
sacramento, not TO do so. when he said lie had
prlvale business there; although senator Cole
was not unirlendly TO the measure saw mat ne
must take the laeoring oar 10 pass the bill, be-
cause 1t was regarded as Pacific Coast measure,
aud ne was not gong To 90 that Tor people polti.
O. You found him in that mood ana Mr.. Whit
Ing was 10 influence himr A. Mr. Whiting did not
so represent: went to Mr.. Whiting because Sen.
ator Coe would work Tor him ana MIR. Whiting
was paid IN oroer 10 exert his influence prlnci-
pally IN the quarter Indicated.
q. In what other quarters? A. DO not think he
had influence In any otner quarter.
"A WARN INTEREST" sUPERINDUCED.
O. Dld Mr.. Waiting over-estlmate himself In the
quarter lpdicatedy A. Only state the TACT that
Senator Cole took warm interest after being salts
was mlsrepresented.
q. senator Cole became an aggressive advocate
preston is that Whiting asked 500, 900: he DID
not agree to do anything but use his influence In
the senate contingent on the passage OF the DILL;
/ want TO know whether ! am protected IN my
answers as to Transactions III the senate?
Mr. Dawes-ies: we'll protect YOU
The witness remarked that he wanted Whiting
TO convince Cole tnat mis- relations to Messrs. Sar
gent and Gorham. who were Uoie's enemies, were
merely OF personal character. The witness had
Whiting TWO years: mad not heard
from him since 1872, and did not know wnere he
now was: In paying him the money the witness
the back OF the check; he had many conversations
with Mr.. Cole but not bearing on the business Of
Whiting.
AS TO Mr.. William ). King, tnat gentleman spoke
witness thought KING thus did more harm than
good. ana witness TOOK the responsibility OF tell.
Ing him to keep OF the noor as he spoke to the
lrienas and Toes OF the measure Unfortunately;
witness ioid him II he could 40 any good he ought
10 go TO the Senate; he did not know, but was
told tnat King spoke to members on the roor OF
the House; soon after that King went TO the Sem
ate side.
sCHuMAKER's SERVICES.
Mr.. Roberts asked wat was the understanding
as 10 the employment or Mr.. SCnumakery a. My
understanding was without special words that
ScuumaKer use his influence in the House
Oh Representatives III ald OF the passage OF the
measure; on its passage he was to De PAID so
much Tor his services ne was at liberty to do wnat
he pleased with the S30o,0JO.
q. As ne was not member OF the House, how
By conyerslng with fIlendS and doubtful men,
bers: the great point was TO avoid enemies, De.
cause by conversing VITA item they would be.
come posted as 10 the movements OF tne trends OF
toe measure; schumacher Was not directly author.
iZed u employ anybody to help MIN.
q. Dld he report 10 you ne employed anyone to
help hiny A. 1 think not.
q. Did he make report to you A. fes he re.
ported 20 me from time TO time the appearance of
Things and what our opponents were doug aud
the movement oil friends; | think at different
tunes we went over the list and marked the
names OF those who were doubtful and those who
were against us; there was no understanding TO
secure me support OF members OF Congress-
The witness was here discharged until Monday
morning at ten O'Clock.
The committee adjourned till Monday.