New-York tribune., 1875-01-16

O Had Won done nrcvou, 70 that conversation with Mr.
Beccher what you reported him to have done9 A. Certainty
q Take the Bacon letter and point out specific y the acFa
ons which you suggested and which made IN pursuance
your su,geston A. Reading from the Bacon eter I'm
producing your inspection hitherto unpublished papers
aud documents in this need frat 10 state few facts
in chronological sequence sufficient 10 explain the documentary
evidence which follows: Aftr had been for fifteen ynrs
member OF Plymouth Church, and had become meanwhile
nlim tie friend OF the pasor, knowledge came 20 me in
1870 that he had committed against onse which for
bear 10 characterizc It read Sir in the original
manuscript remember corccty-he substance Of il do
remember correctly" knoWed to in 1870 that he
had mmitted sgnst and my family reyoltins crime"
Mr. IL the original manuscript in existence A.
don't know Sir whether II l. not
Mr. gyarts-We would like to have that, IL It is
Mr. FuertonNow il any other alteration made. please
state IT, A. Well sir forget the alterations. Perhaps
shoud read tie letter crefully-
Mr. Eyarts-Ic has not tosti1ed to any but this one.
Mr. Fuluton-wcll, Mr.. Eyarts, did no; say he Lad
only asked him. If any other ae eatons made now to
state them.
Mr. Evarts-No this Is the point Tl' matter he has stated
a. having been subject talked about between him and Mr.
cecher but hi the only alteration that he has spoken Of
as being the subject between him and Mr.. Beecher
Mr. Fuleron-I still do not the OCCASION Of tho inter
uptlon
Jude yelson-You might avoid the objection by asking him
whether he reported any other alteration to Mr Beeche an
II so, what
Mr.. Eyarts-Exactly.
Mr. Fnleron-Tha is true might incorporate two ques-
ons into but do know that that absolutely neccs
sary in the trial Of a
Judge NelsonI think the testimony must be limited 10 lhe
alterations thai he reported To Mr.. Beecher
Mr.. Fullerton-I propose to limitt
Mr.. Eyarts-One lac hastesIicd TO.
Mr. Fuleron-I am aware Of that il not worth while to
indicate what he has testified to- understand perfect
ly well don't interruption for the sake Of interrup
tiOns.
Mr. Eyars-No.
Mr. Fucron-Now II there any other alteration made
in that document before it printed want you to point
A. did4e Mr. Bcechcr that had suggested other alter
aons don't remember what they are now, but tod hm
what they
O. What occurred subsequently to that in reference 70 the
Bacon letter. Any conversation you may have had with
Mr. Beecher regard IT, you detail you please
Beccher said that the Bacon letter dead shot
remember that expression.
O. In what conversation did he make OF that term? A.
When he talk about-whenhe came and said to
asked what reply thought was best to make to the
Bacon letter, IL any.
@ And what reply did you counsel A. said to Mr..
Beechec recommend the policy that pursued re-
gard the Victoria Woodruff letter document-sence'
O. Was any other proposedr A. Yes Sir submit
ted to him paper which had dictated to Frank Carpenter
and said M Bcecher if anything is said deem it most
udcous that this should be sd" and read to him that which
had dictated to Mr.. Carpenter
O. In whose handwriting was that paper? A. That paper
wa. in Carpenters handwriting Mr Bccher asked me for
copy Of it.
@ Did you give him copy of it, A did give him copy
OF It,
O. In whose handwriting was the copy A 1t in my
handwriting.
@ Look the paper shown you and say whether 1t
the original of that paper A. Yes Sir that is the original
O. What occurred between you and Mr. Beecher with refer
ence to this proposed card after the interview of which you
have just spoken' A. Well have not finished that inter
view.
O. Well please finish it, A. said Mr. Beecher asked me
for copy of it, gave him copy OF it, with an alteration or
two it, he said that he would make copy Of it in his
own handwrtinsnake copy Of that copy in his own hand-
writing and submit it 70 Of his friends.
O. Did he Afterwards whether he had submitted it to his
friends? A. don't remember whether he did or not, Sir
What with reference to that card at any time
after that A. III Dc3cher July the 5th think, and
said "Wel Mr. Bcccl you have not uttered from your
pulpit anywhere given uence to the words that prepared
for you at least have NOT any such expressions and
he said No. you advised silence particularly" yes,
sad advised silence but think you have had good oppor
nifty to make that expression and said, "A the Friday
evening prayemeeng your church seemed to be in entire
sympathy with YOU think you might have ayaed your
self Of that occasion made that expression And he
said Well not to blame for that You advised silence
and have followed the course you advised"
Mr Fulleron-I now offer the paper in evidence.
The Wimess-I had subsequent conversation with Mr.
Beecher about It. and told him that had seen Gen Tracy con
cernng reply to the Bacon letter. and that had asked Gen
Tracy he had submitted the paper to him. and said to Mr.
Becher that Mr. Tcy reply that he had seen paper in
which he thought he detected my handwOrk and that Cen
Tracy had said to that the words IL have
committed no crime really said nothing in denial
OF the fact as alleged by Mr. Beccher againsor as to
the fact between Mr. Ton and Mr. Beecher-Or Mr. Beechcr
and Mrs Ton relations that nearly could remember
the words he said Il have committed crime" did not
mean anything because adultery crime under the COM
mon law That is as nearly could repeat it, and said to
him that had told Gen Tracy that did not think that was
good objection that thought the community would accept
that card distinct deniaha uerance rather that that
utterance would be accepted By the community distinct
denial and that ought be made such uterancc
should made since Becche asened-since Mr. Tlton a
sened to peace that made or il silence
kept,
O. You are relating the conversation that you had with
Mr. Beechc in which you repeated the conversation that you
had with Mr.. TracyY A. Precisely.
O. And did you that conversation with Mr. Tracy you
repeated it to Mr.. Beecher? A. did.
Mr. Fuerton-I will now read this.
Mr. Tracy-There has been an alteration in this.
The Wtness-Two unessental changes
Mr. TracyThe he gave Mr. Beecher ought to be the
one produced.
Mr. Eyarts-Let understand about it, hold in my hand
what is considered original paper in certain sense TO
the wness 1t paper in the handwriting Of Mr. Carpenter
as understand it' A. Yes Sir.
O. II written by him from your dictaon} A. yes SIT
O. That is he wrote down from what you said to him A.
Yes Sir
O. This was shown to Mr. Beecherf A. read it to him.
@ Well, read It to him A Yes cir and made copy Of
it,
@ And made copy Of which exact copy Of fit' A.
NO was with one or two unessena alterations in the gram
matcol construction; that is all the words
O. That We don't know much about A. No.
Mr. Eyars-Ths paper shown to Mr. Beeche and this
paper can be read Whenever the paper given to Mr. Beecher
to be read why that win have be produced 1t changed
Mr. Fullerton-I read 5 follows: