New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-08
THE PROPOSED CARDS RENOUNCING MRS.
WOODUIlLL,

Q. Now, Sir, do you remember expressing an
opinion at OF these conferences, at meeting ainIe
later that you said you had changed your mind regard
to the policy OF having nothing said In public and that
you said said thought Mr. Tiiton ought to publish
a cardf DO you remember that stage o. the matter A.
always said from the first that II anything done
not for to do 1t alone, that was peculiarly
sary Mr. Tlton should publish in the defense Of hs
family.
O. Now Sir do you remember any consideration OF tho
subject between you in which you expressed yourself in
this way that
That the time had passed when silence concerning tho
Woodruff scandal wise policy; there was 50 much
clinor on ne part OF the pn1lc ~ M nsn
demands made upon you by friends;hat the pTea
sure was getting To he uncomfortable.
And then that you advised a scheme Of this kind:
Now, suppose We should appeal " that sentiment in
~" that is the continent that where thesg
is smoke there must be some ire as stated N MS
paper speaking selnoaically as authorized BY the par
ties in the case-say THE NEw-YoRK TRIBUNk-shouid
publish editorial to the effect that there was some
ground for Mrs. woodhulls publications, not the ground
which she stated but that that ground existed In certain
previous against Beecher and which Mr Bowen him
self had in written instrument six months before
namely April g. 1872 retrac.ed. Now" said he sup
pose we get some semedtora utterances signed by
Names that effect, that there was this ground
Let that he stated and let us cut from
the Trpartite Covenant the section which Mr.. Bowen
signed retractng those stories, and let us put that INTO
viii say: Well we always knew there must be
thing in the woodruff story and now know what tits;
IL collection OF stories which Bowen has tou, anu
which Bowen has retracted'"
Mr. Tlton gives Inc narrative and closes II by speak
ing of you az having suggested that device in tho
middle Of the Winter of 1872 10 meet and counterct
Woodruff tale" Now did anything on tat kho occur
your part in the suggestion or pro.''S'.o"' VI '
ment, conversation A. Not one solitary
thought, suggestionnot 1t is absolute ct "n ~
far as concerned. heard parts OF that sng
gested, but not the man that spoke it,
Mr. Evarts ITO Mr.. Morris Now, you have a card in
evdence-he proposed Remuneration Of Mrs Woolhul by
Mr.. Tlton in an unguarded enthusiasm. What is tho
number OF that
Mr.. Morris-No. %.
Mr.. Evarts ito the wtnessl-Is that among your
papers,
The witness-I don't know What is the date oft!
Mr. Evarts-No date to it, but it is In December 1872,
think somewhere about that November or December.
Handing book to Witness There it s
The Witness-We, what do you ask me, Nh. Evarts
Mr.. Evarts-I call your attention to it, and then Will
ask you question, DO you remember about that ~
coming up I a. Yes, Sir.
@. As proposition for consideration at some one OF
these interviewsg A. Not this card, but remember
cards
@ Were there various cardsi A. Yes. Sir that is to
say, the conversation arose Mr. Moultons room, and
think Mr. Titon present, and said to Mr.. Moul-
ton, " 1t to that Mr. Tilton will never get quit
OF this matter long he has among good people the
reputation OF believing in those and in their doc
trines and my idea OF devcrance s in generous and
manly himself loose from them" Mr. Moulton
seemed to be struck with IT, and said "Well suppose you
draw up something such as you mean" sketehed two
or FORMS tentative foIms, and that thought
was pretty good, but that is not this one.
@. Is that your sketch not handing paper]' A. I
cannot say; made three four little beginnings, and
they unsatisfying, and finally fell form Of
ilad ,affa hat
declined
@. Now, in reference to ANY, will read this card
Mr.. Morris-Have you got the number of thatf
Mr.. Evarts-No; will read this little one
Mr.. Morris-I will give you the original.
Mr.. Evarts-well, don't care anything about IT,
The Wtness-I don't know whether this is OF those
beginnings Of cards or not, Sir; cannot tell.
MI. Evarts-Well, here is the original exhibit Hand
ing paper to Witness That VIII show you whether II Is
your handwriting not A. think this was the hrSt
attempt, the first idea, when it occurred TO me.
@. Well, that is your writingi A. Yes, Sir; think
that it in blank book and tore out the leaf and
went Mr.. MouoR with it, and that that rise TO
something more until something grew out Of 1t.
Mr. Beach-Let me see that. Taking the paperI
Mr. Evarts-Now this statement
In an unguar,ied enthusiasm hoped well and much OF
one who has since proved thoroughly unprinciped.
shall never again notice her, and utterly rcpudlao
her stories made concerning me and mine.
That was proposed to be signed by Mr.. Tton, sup
pose A. Yes, Sir
O. Now did Mr.. Tilton, in reference To that card and
as an objection TO its being published by him. to
that you not unguarded enthusiasm that
led him. Tton, Mrs. Woodruff but that he went for
the purpose Of protecting his family and himself and
Mr. Beecher, from the result OF story which she
originally hreatened-was that said to youi A. No, Sit,
IL was not.
O. Anything OF the kndi A. Nothing OF the kind.
This was not designed you know, to be card Of denial
OF the story.
O. Well. it speaks for itself, that card does Now, ut
any OF these interviews did you say 10 Mr.. Moulton.
after the publication Of the Woodruff scandal that you
had come TO consult with him. MOuton 10 what IL
best to do with reference the publicationwhat reply
could be- made If any reply could be made-did you In
that connection in any other way to him that you
saw no hope yourself since that story had been pub
lishedl A. No, Sir.
O. Did you say anything in connection with that sub
ject or did you express yourself If AT all A. don't
remember | only remember what didn't say.
O. Nothing OF that kind was said by you in regard TO
yOarselfl A. No, Sir.
FUN OVER THE DELlBERATENESS OF THE
EXAMINATION.
Q. At this time, or during this period of in
terviews, do you remember
(Mr. Eyarts here consulted with Mr.. Shearmanl