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The Cincinnati daily star. [volume] ([Cincinnati, Ohio]) 1875-1880, 1875-10-15
Shooting on MI. AUBURN.

Officer Matthews reports at Vine.streei
Hill Station, and is detailed as q night
patrolman on Mount Auburn. He is
known as an efficient officer, always on
the lookout for tramps who may iniest
that beautiful suburb. and always ready
to have helping hand in driving away
the thieves and midnight marauders.
Some nights since Matthews was walk
ing quietly along Auburn avenue, hid
ing in the dark shades of the houses, ON
the alert for anything to turn up. Sud-
denly toward midnight his ears were
shocked by a horrid noise that proceeded
from the rear Of MIR. Atkins residence On
heard were not those Of human being,
but seemed TO be the cackling OF fright
ened hens. Matthews sprang nimbly TO-
ward the scene and stealthly recon-
noitered the place.
His eagle eye detected crouching
form upon the top OF the chicken coop.
He drew his revolver and ON tip-toe ap-
preached. The action of that body was
100 suspicious. Matthews was convinced
that he had lood-thirsty burglar be-
fore him. On a sudden his eye beheld
something that to him seemed the ray OF
burglars lantern, and, imagining that
the robber was about to spring upon him,
he drew bead on the form and 1red. A
low dying sound was heard and heavy
thud announced to Matthews that his
opponent had fallen. He sprang to the
dying body but Immediately recoiIed.
He felt the skin Of a harmless raocoon,
WAC had determined to make supper
upon the dalnties of that chicken coop.
Before the wtndows Of the neighb0r.
hood could be opened, and before the
afrighted people OF Mt. Auburn could
understand the object Of the shooting
and the noises Of the chickens, Matthews
was on his way to Corryville to report
Matthews for hours felt detected and did
not let himself be seen on Auburn ave.
nue. till that quiet village was once more
buried in profound sleep.
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FAMOUS MEDICAL INSTITUTION.

"The name of DR.. r. v. Pierce, OF Buffalo
n. Y, has become as familiar to the people al
over the country as household words! His
wonderful remedies, his pam phlets and books,
and his large medical experience, have brought
him into prominence and given him solid
reputation. The Times, IN the present issue
presents wh0le-page communication from
it some idea Of the vast proportions OF his bus
iness and the merits Of mis- medicines. He mas
at Buffalo mammoth establishment, apprO-
priately named 'The Worlds Dispensary,
where patients are treated, and the remedies
compounded. Here nearly hundred pcrsons
are employed in the several departments, and
a CORPS OF able and skilled physicians stand
ready to alleviate the sufierings @ of humanity
by the most approved methods. These physl-
clans are in frequent consultation with DR..
Pierce. and their combined experience Is
brought to bear on the successful treatment OF
obstinate cases. The Doctor iS man OF large
medical experience, and his extensive knowl-
edge of materia medica has been acknowl.
edged by presentations Of degrees from two oil
the first Medical Colleges in the land"
II you would patronize Medicines scientih-
calIy prepared by skilled Physician and
Chemist, use DR.. Pierce's Family Medicines.
Golden Medical Discovery is nutritious, tonic,
Alternative, and blood. cleansing, and an une-
uualed Cough Remedy; Pleasant Purgahve
Pellets, scarcely larger than mustard seed, con-
stitute an agreeable and reliable physic; Fa-
ycriJe Prescription, a remedy for debiiitated
Extract OF Smart W eed, magical
unequa!ed Lfniment for both hum an and horse
flesh; while his Dr. Sage's Catarrh Remedy 10
known the world over as the greatest specific
for Catarrh and "COld in the Head" ever
given to the public. They are sold by Drug
gists.
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,'..ss:.....ayea, Ly.s 900, covered by ln.ur.


us...-.2yes, Loss 200, covered by ln.ar-
ance.
And then Box 04, corner OF Race and
Fourteenth streets. was heard from.
Cause, another coal oil lamp explosion.
No serious loss here.
About the time this last excitement
had subsidized the second alarm came in
from box 239. 1t was false. The cause
Of the second alarm from this box is q
mystery. The fifth and last, soon after
10 O'clock, called the boys to the corner
OF Fourth and Race, where private
watcbman uai,sa1vereu the large. clothing
estabiishment Of james Wilde, Jr., q Co.
was filed with smoke. The proprietors
being absent and the keys in their pos.
session, fireman broke ia o door and
began search for the fire, but found
none. The smoke that caused the afRrn
came from new furnace which had just
been fired, and was defective. Ne dam.
age and no water wasted. This ended
the troubles of the fire laddies for one
night at least.
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The WeckIy star.

The current number of the WEEKLY
STAR is now ready, and can be had at
our counter in wrappers at 4c per copy.
1t contains the latest news from the
elections in Ohio, Iowa ana Nebraska.
Also, the latest news by telegraph, a
summary Of the important news Of the
past week, q large amount Of interesting
local news, correspondence from differ
ent parts Of the country, interesting ed
itorfals, large amount OF short. spicy
newsy editorial paragraphs, Humorous
interesting stories, Personals, Book and
Magazine Reviews, odds and Ends, His
toricel and Biographical sketches, q
large amount OF interesting reading per.
taining to agriculture. art and science
together with full and complete Home
and Foreign Market and Financial Re
port,
The Cincinnati daily star. [volume] ([Cincinnati, Ohio]) 1875-1880, 1875-10-15

the following marriage licenses were
sued since our Last report, AZ. .r

The following marriage licenses were 10
sued since our last report; ~.
John M. Phillips and Hattie D. johnson.
Samuel Keepers and Anna M. Seifert.
John H. Havlin and Carrie Jones. 41h.
Alfred Kemp and Sarah Anderson.
q. w. Gull and Mary Delaney.
Aug Link and Mary Kussling.
Peter Snyder and Lena Scheer.
Frederick Seitz and Mary Schister.
:. II. Perrin and Anna D. Jones.
n. II. Steigelman and Sallie Conway.
Genry Pielage and Mary Trailing.
Henry Christoff and Martha Hoddlcson.
John #. Meyer and Franask Bechtold.
Geo. T. Buell. and Laura Wilkins.
George p. Buell. and Laura wilkins. ai.
George fitzpatrick and Millie Duesnian.
Edward Bauer and Maria Yager.
John w. Owens and Lucy Wass0n.
Edward NJ. John and Mary T. Hasen.
John II. Pieper and Louisa H0ltkamp.
Thomas Robinson and Sarah Wilson.
j. r. Remke and Laura M. Kreppelt
Frank Kitsnber and Stedinger. slt
Samuel MeKeellan and Ida l.. Craig.
Frederick Faiiar Qnd Louisa Rehl.
Charles Hess and Christina Frederick.
Ely Nugent and Alice q. Alexander tcopdl
Chas. II. Pabst and Caroline Bausr
Herman STANCE and Lena Hammer.
Campbell Watson and Annie j. Baney.
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1.ss Directors Isr ths o. . n. Road

1sss Dsrsoteys for the o. q n. Road.
The annual meeting Of the stockhold-
srs Of the y. Il N. r. r. was held in this
sfty yesterday afternoon. The follow
Ing named gentlemen were elected direc-
Swn 70 fill the vacancies caused by the
designations Of j. D. Prince and j.
Buhuchardt, and the death of 8. q. /.
odell, and the places Of directors retir-
ing In rotation: D. Torrance, j. Pier
xsnt Morgan, Robt. Garrett, Frank W.
Rracy, Theodore q. Heir and Chas. A.
6eecher. Mr.. A. N. Chrystie, Vice
President and General Superintendent,
Resigned his position and will be relieved
tT 4. II. Waldron, OF Lafayette, Ind,
SppoInted General Superintendent. Sir
1T. Gait, J. King, jr. D. Torrance,
&obt. Garrett and j. p. Morgan, COM
i1se the Finance Committee in New
York.
The meeting unanimously ratified the
Ineent purchase OF the Springfield and
0lfnois 8. e. railroad.
n summary of President Torrance's
yGport concerning the operatians OF the
kead Tor the fiscal year ending June 80,
6wcunt to $663, $40 48, out Of which the
Interest ON the whole bonded debt has
isen paid, viz: sT7O, ,27a 20, as well as the
SuEchase and redemption Of bonds for
fea several sinking funds, amounting to
- &1o6 70, leaving surplus OF $18, ,0S8 A.
ne acquisition of the Springfield and
1llinpis Southeastern railroad adds 22S
ul1es Of additional main track, making a
61nl Of 100 miles in the o. & NJ. system,
1neluding second track and sidings. The
6ueratfons of this division during the
fur months we have worked it show net
warnings Of $22s TIL 04, during dull sea
meEeasing.
He closed his report by expressing his
Esp sense Of the fidelity, untlring en-
hry and intelligence displayed by Mr..
II. Chrystie, the retiring Vice Presi-
Ent and General Superintendent.
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.1fortuary Record.

Ida j. Long, 18 years, city.
Joseph Huber, Is months, city.
Edward Yernezobre, Is years, Poland.
Herman +. Koch, months, city.
Geo. Dolhelm, ~ years, Dayton.
Geo. Gustav Beiler, months, city.
Mary Bcif, 4 years, city.
Amelia Kautz, year, city.
Johanna Hirchenollen, 23 years, city.
Caroline Baroary Carlley, 8 weeks, city.
Infant McHale, hours; city.
Infant Grasguarde, still-born, 18th ward, NO
498 West Third street.
Alice Smudulin, q months, Chicago.
Aurelia Rathet, months, city.
Mary Klaus, 18 days, city.
Thos Johnston, AZ years, laborer.
Elizabeth Even Kcrfort.
Edmond Graf, 3H years, city.
Geo. Heller, II months, city.
Leonard Ping, 9 weeks, Cincinnati Hospital
John Heron, year months, city.
Honora Smith, Il years, Ireland.
Catharine Hickey, "a years, domestic.
James Milleins, 50 years, Seventh street
No. rs.
Wilhalm Bachmeram. 25 years, laborer.
Rudolph Ducois, years. Newport, Ky.
Lawrence Griffin, still-born. Av0ndale.
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n
NOTICE. = Frederick Heintz. whose resi-
IN denoe is unknown, is notified that Anna
Heintz, on the 7th day Of October, A. ID. 1874
the Court Of Common Pleas, within and for the
county OF Hamilton, and State Of Ohio, charg-
ing that the eaid Frederick Heintz, at the timd
Of his marriage with Anna Heintz, the petit
tioner herein, he, the said Frederick Hcintz.
had q former wife living, to whom the said
Frederick Heintz had been before that tima
legally Joined in marriage; and for that cause
said Anna Heintz, the petitioner herein. u
marriage contract between them null and void
and for change Of name from that Of Anna
Heintz to that of Anna Mel
Said Frederick Heintz is hereby required 10
plead, answer or demur to the petition fled
against him. by or on the 20th day OF Noyem-
ber, A. d. 1875, otherwise the cause will be
tried in his absence, and decree rendered ac-
cordingly. ANNA HElNIA
By F. K. DENGLER, her Atty
Dated October Z, 1875. oc6-6tF*
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4 Strong Reflection.

It is said OF Norbury that he would at
any time rather lose friend than a
tence OF death in this wiss,
s.Prisoner at the bar, you have been
found guilty by jury OF your own
countrymen of the crime laid to your
charge, and must say entirely agree
with the verdict. for 1 see sScoundrel'
written On your face"
Here the prisoner Interrupted with
ssThaps strong refection-from your
Lordshipp Whereupon the judge, Keen
ly appreciating the joke, committed the
sentence into transportation for seven
wears.
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ORDINANCES.


A N ORDINANCE mo. 1907 to confirm tho
n estimated ASSIGNMENT made Dy. the Board
Of Freeholders to ply the costs aud expenses
and damages for the opening OF woodward
avenue.
SECTION /. Be it ordained by the Council Of
the Incorporated Village Of Avondale, two
thirds Of all the members concurring, that
the estimated assessment made by the Board
Of Freeholders, heretofore appointed, against
the lots and lands abutting on Woodward ave-
oges awarded for the opening Of said avenue.
law. and no objections having been filed there.
by said Board with the Corporation Clerk, bo
following sums are assessed upon the lots and
lands abutting upon said avenue in the follow
ing proportions:
Upon the property OF Lydia Cleveland..$4,80 ,805 "
Upon the property of A. M. Stone. ..... 443 q
Upon the property of Geo. Hoadly 80. 40l q
Upon the property Of Rich'd Beresford. 9n a
And the several persons named are required
to pay the said sums named, less any credits
for unpaid damages awarded them in said i'm
pr0vement, in twenty days from the passage ok
the ordinance to the Treasurer OF the ViIlagd
or be subject the penalty and interest allowed
by law.
and after its publication as required by law.
Passed October 7th, A. u. 1875.
ROBERT A. JOHNSTON,
Mayor and President Of Council
Attest: FLAMEN BALL, JE., Corporation CLERK
oc8-2tF
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NOTICE. ID. Jones, Of Washington City,
IN District OF Columbia, is notified that Car
rie J.. Jones did. on the 10th day Of september,
A. ID. 1915. nle her petition in the Office Of the
Clerk OF the Court of Common Pleas. No. 46,g67,
within and for the county OF Hamilton and
State Of Ohio, charging the SAID L. ID. Jonce
with willful absence from her for more than
three years last past, without cause OF. justin.
cation, and with gross neglect ~ duty, and
asking thatshc may be divorced from the said
I. d. Jones. which petition will be for hearing
In six weeks from date.
Dated Cincinnati, Sept. 10th. A. d. 1875.
CARRIE L. J0NEa
By JNo. r. HUNTER, her Attorney.
sel0-6tF
The Cincinnati daily star. [volume] ([Cincinnati, Ohio]) 1875-1880, 1875-10-15

A correspondent Of the Country Gen.
tleman recommends growing artiehokes.
He grew fifty bushels last year from
one-thirteenth Of an acre, and expects
to do much better this year. He adds
chokes this year that bore them last,
which remark to those familiar with the
artichoke seems rather superiluous. 1t
would be- more in point II he would tell
us when be grove anything else ON that
small piece Of ground. = Rural New
Yorker.
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NOTICE is HEREBY GIvEN--To VIM. s.
IN Hutchinson, O nonresident OF Ohio, that
L. IL. Pummill, Of Hamilton county, Ohio, did.
on the Sd day OF September, 1875, file his peti--
tion In the Court Of Common Pleas, within and
for said county, against him, In Case No.
46 922, for the sum Of 5000, with interest from
April 18th, 1875 and that. an order Of attach
ment was on said day issued against the real
estate Of the said Hutchinson, IN said county,
and answer said petition, on or before the third
Saturday after October 18th next or judgments
will be rendered against him by default.
Cincinnati September 10th, 1875.
selO-8tF L. II. PUMMILL.'
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A N ORDIN kNCE (No. 1897 to confirm the
Of FreehOldefs to pay for the costs, expenses
and damages for the opening and widening q
Ghoison avenue, and to fix the payment there
OF.
SECTION 1. Be it ordained by the Council al
the Incorporated Village of Avondale, two
thirds Of all the members cOncurTng, that the
estimated asse sment made by the Board 0z
Freeholders heretofore appointed against the
lois and lands abutting on GhOis0n avenue, to
pay the costs, expenses and damages awarded
for the widening and extending of said avenue
and no objections having been flied thereto
that said assessment SO reported and filed by
said Board with the Clerk of the Corporation,
be and the same is hereby confirmed, and the
following sums are assessed ui.on the lots and
lands abutting OF said avenue, in the follow
ing proper ions:
Upon the property of NJ e. Andrews. i. .$sSS 81
Upon the pro perty OF ROb'L Andrews. y. l139 15
Upon the property Of Il. Gh0son. .... 1896 "
Upon the property Of H. W. Irwin -. 1903 -
And the several persons named are required
to pay said sums named less anv credit for un-
paid damages awarded in said improvement.
III twenty days from the passage of this Ordi-
nance, to the Treasurer Of the village, or be
subject to the penalty and interest allowed W
law.
SEC. q This ordinance shall take effect from
and after ite publication as required by law.
Passed October 18th, 4. u. 1876.
kOBT, A. JOHNSTON,
Mayor and President OF Council
Attest: FLAMEN BALL, Jr., Corporation Ciorks
ocS-2tF
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[au4-sra. WFM. &lstw.l2l

DAINTER,5 MANUAL : House ana sign
Il painting. graining, vanishing, polishing
kalsomining. papering, lettering, staining
gIldlng, &C.. 30 ctss Book OF Aiphabets. so.
JeweIcr, so. Soapmaker, 25. Taxidermist,
so. o. booksellers. or by mail. JESSE
HANEY 4 CO., lis Nassau street, New York
taula-d&w,tl
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MEDICAL.
NASAL CATARRH

An abstract from a forthcoming work on diseases
of the throat and air passages, by A: n. Wnliam-
son. M. D., late Clinical Ply sicfan In the Unfver
sity Medical College, New York City. Mailed 70
any address for ten cents. Address the author, &
East 10th ST., N. Y.
"Dr. WilIiamsons great success in the treat
ment Of Catarrhal and Throat and Lung affections
renders valuable whatever comes from his pen."-
journal of Medical Science.
se24-6md, r, ,M&W&se3o6mw
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MARRIED.

SEIBOLD-HOBERG-T - Thursday, October
18th, 1875, at the residence Of the BRIDES par
en,s, No. 10 Martin street, by Rev. MIR. Eaest-
ner. Mr.. II. Seibold to Miss Anna HOberg. No
cards.
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r EGAL - Hamilton Common Pleas. No.
/ I47,O9j.-Jacob 4. Sears VS.. Martha E. Sears.
Martha II. Sears is hereby notified that q pc
tItion for divorce was filed against her on tho
2Sd day Of September, 1875, and alleges for
cause Of divorce adultery. That unless She
answer or deinur to said petition on or before
the 9Th day of November, 1876 the came VIII
be taken as true, and judgment taken accord
ing TO the prayer thereof.
se24-6tF
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1EaAr.

r EGAI.--Notice Is hereby given chat on
IL Thursday, October 7th 1915, tho Trustees
Of the German Evangelical Lutheran ST. Paul
Church OF Harrison, ONO, filed petition In
case number a, ,203, in the Court OF Common
PRAYER Of said petition being that The. name Of
SAID corporation be changed TO the United
Evangelical Protestant ST. Johns Church, Of
Harrison, Ohio. CHRIS. Won sEGGERN,
ocs-JtF + Atty for Petitioner.
The Canton mail. [volume] (Canton, Miss.) 18??-1882, 1875-05-08

XLIIId Congress, and a member
elect of the XI.IVth Congress,
whose new views of the political
condition, prospects and needs of
the South are given to-day in onr
Washington dispatches. Mr.. KEEL
lcy's conversion to the peace policy
was brought about by process
which we cannot but think would
effect the same result upon the
mind of any conscientious legisla-
tor; namely, visit to the country
believed To be disaffected and u
careful stu'iy of the temper Of the
people, and the causes Of depression
and dependence His observations
and conclusions, except rs to details
of financial questions, are identical
with those of every correspondent
of The Tribune who has visited the
South since 1871, and the strength
of his present convictions is so great
that he pronounccs his vote IN Ia
vor of the Force bill q deplorablc
mistake. 1t would not be bad
,Gct for other Con rcssmen-elect
who want to know the truth, to
spend few weeks in the South be-
tore they are called upon to pass
new measures devised TO insure its
subsection to the administration
partv.-N. Y. Tribune.
The Canton mail. [volume] (Canton, Miss.) 18??-1882, 1875-05-08

Owing to the prostration of every
kind of business in New Orleans,
thousands of her citizens are out of
employment. with no means to pro-
cure living. Suffering has already
begun, and to such an extent that
some of the public spirited citi-
zcns have organized Relief Asso-
citation, tho object of which il, not
only TO furnish food to the needy
but to obtain for them employment.
Our people. especially those in the
country, who think times are hard
have no conception of what hard
times are until they sec the accounts
of the suffering elsewhere. The i'm
preston has always prevailed that
people of cities arc much better off
than country people, that they have
tho cream of the land, the best
tho market affords, that they
enjoy life more, SEQ more and have
more. This may BIO true with the
wealthy classes, but no poverty can
exceed that of poor people in cities
and towns. They have, nothing to
fall back on when thrown out Of
employment, no gardens, fields or
woods TO come to their relief. To
be out of employment and out Of
money in city means starvation.
for everything consumed requires
money. We have heard of some
very sad instances of suffering in
New Orleans Of late, and among
people of the better classes, who a
few years ago had all that heart
could wish. Young men and old
men, who have at ono time held pro-
fitable positions are now engaged
as car drivers, portcrs, hotel SER
wants, etc. Men of business talent,
who have seen the time when their
services wcrc worth from two to
five thousand dollars per year in
mercantile and other establishments,
esteem themselves fortunate if they
can get positions that will afford
them and those dependent on them
a livelihood. We should be thank
full that times are "a good with us
as they are. Let us try-to better
them BY being hopeful and cheer
ful, and not add to them by making
ourselves unhappy.
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VICKSBURG AND CANTON RAIL
ROAD BONDS.
Shall they be Repudiated :!

We answer yes. But we are told
these bonds have gone into the
hands Of third parties, and to rcpu-
diatc them would work an injury
to innocent holders. Again wo arc
told that VIC cannot legally repu-
diate them that it is impossible to
do SO. Now, rs to the first propo-
si,ion. we hold and arc sustained by
the highest legal authority that there
can he no third party, no innocent
holder Of these bonds under tho
law. These bonds are not bills Of
exchange. nor governed by the law
of contracts as applied to such bills.
These bonds are, in themselves con
tracts, showing on their face what
they were given for; they arc the
evidence OF an undertaking that is
of record in the Courthouse and if
that record is illegal the bonds are
illegal, just rs the deed to = piece of
real estate is illegal and invalid if
the title TO the said real estate is in
valid. These bonds are the law and
the contract between the payee and
the maker. IT tho maker exceeded
his legal powers it is the payees
mrshap, and the transfer OF the bonds
to the other parties does not rene
dy the illcgality or invalidi,y of tho
bonds, nor can the third party claim
ignorance of the law, for it is an or
thodox legal proposition that igno-
rance of the law excuses no man.
The bonds wcro issued for specific
purpose and the holders and pur-
chascrs hold and buy ut their peril.
This accounts for the decline to
thirty-thrcc and one third per cent.
on the face value of these bonds. Ii
there was not peril in them, they
would command par-yrs, a pre-
MUM.
As TO the legality of rcpudiating
them, our High Court has already
passed upon the illegality of these
bonds. Certainly the samc court
will not refuse to sustain the people
in refusing to do an illegal act. The
court has decided that for these
bonds to be valid it was necessary
that two third of tho legal voters si
the county should assent. No one.
we presume, will be so foolhardy
rs to assert that two thirds of the
legal voters of Madison county vot-
ed for the railroad. 1t is known
that not one-half SO voted. The law
and the rccorel arc with our people,
and if they pay these bonds they
are the most willing people to bear
burthens and fasten II yoke upon
themselves that VIC know of. But
we do not believe that they will pay
them, and wo offer our humble ad-
vice not 10 do SO.