The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-06-02


thinking 20 please the government had submitted
30 their exclusion. 'Tne present policy,n he says,
'4pcrcases she power OF the Church against
the state. You,n he said, addressing
the Minister'S "hope for peace, but you prepare
for war. BE JUST DO not prosecute, but do noe
furnish your enemies with weapons against your
selves. We are building mp nation OF sceptics,
the Church OF Rome nation OF bigots The fu-
ture VIII see these two classes arrayed one
against The other.n The orator then spoke or the
application or certain laws regarding public in.
struction OF the paternity schools kept by priests;
derlored that female education is almost entirely
in the hands OF the clergy, and ended by accept
ing Gonzaga's order OF the day.
Ruggiero Bonghi, Minister OF Public Instruc-
ton, then rose, and affirmed that villar had I'm
Piled. without any right to do so, that the Minis
ter OF Public instruction was not jealous OF the
dignity Of the State; denied that the inspectors
had been specially ienient toward the clergy.
As TO closing the clerical schools, the governments
had right. but also at the same time 10 open
others. He agreed that the struggle between re-
actien and progress exists. hut ne did not think
that villari's method OF giving battle would be
successful. LET us,n he said, '.leave alone poiti-
cal questions, on which we are all pretty well
agreed and open schools which shall obtain the
confidence OF fathers OF families.n Touching on
the way In which the laws Of guarantees have
been applied the Minister expressed his astonish.
ment at the fuss made about the originals or
copies OF the bulls 20 De presented. Clearly there
was not much TO be said against the government
II such small peccadilloes were so severely ortiz
csed Governments are not founded upon ap-
stract, but upon concrete questions. He enlarged
on the
BANEFUL CONSEQUENCES OF KEEPING TIE BIsHoP.
RIGS VACANT;
aaId that fbn nations con wnuid not I'M
approved any persecution against the bishops IN
furnished with the ereQuGtav. He defended the
practice OF allowing the bishops to whom the ere
oldt,r has not been granted to concede the plGcet
to the parish priests, and afnrmed that the sane
ton of the Council OF State Is the best proof Of the
legality OF the governmental proceedings.
Mancini here demanded whether the Council OF
State Is superior in authority to the House.
Bonghl replied that he had not asserted this. but
simply that 1t would not sanction an illegallry.
he admitted that the law on guarantees is incom-
plete and that ia the reorganization of the laws
on ecclesiastical property 1t may be possible to
provide for the parish priests elected by their
parshioners He ended by an appeal to the
House 10 have faith in the development OF human
reason and In the triumph OF civilization.
Despite the extreme moderation OF the various
orators, II was clear 10 the Ministry that unless
they showed some signs or penltence for not hav-
ing executed the law to the letter it
would go hard with them. signor
oorrentL who with Sella is leader of the
Centre wrote q letter to the papers expressing his
regret thar he had been unable to be present ct
the debate but that he thoroughly approved the
sentiments expressed by Guerrieri Gonzaga. He
disapproved the sGfsser Jaiye policy suggested by
signor Bonghi and denied that the Church is so
weak, so powerless. SO near its end that Italy
can afford to treat 1t with the lenency shown to q
dying man. On the contrary, the Church Is strong
at home aud abroad. Hence Italy cannos AFFORD
to furnish her with weapons which she needs for
her own defence.
MINGHETTI's SPEECH.
On Saturday, therefore, Minghettl rose, fully
aware OF the significance that would DO attached
to his speech. Alter few sSirmishes with the
Left he said that although the government had
In nowise deviatsd from its du'y 10 was fully i'm
bued with the impor lance OF the present dis
cusson and OF the anxiety manifested by the
public that no sort OF weakness OF conces-
sion should be shown to the Vatican. "Hence.n
he continued, 'the government feels the neccs-
ty OF declaring that for the future It viii not fail
In frmness face to face with the clerical power.'
(Derisive cheers from the Left especially when
yiglIani went up ana shook hands with his COL
league, who had thus tacitly admitted the Sins OF
omission and commission In the past which he
had SO stoutly denied)
Mnghetti then enumerated all the acts or oppo-
sition OF the government toward the ecclesiastical
power; assured Guerriefi-Gonzaga that he had
already congratulated Gladstone on his writings
and tnat the English statesman had shown far
more appreciation OF Italy's ecclesiastical policy
than their own partisans had done. He promised
to present bill Tor rendering the eighteenth arti-
Gle OF the law on guarantees more sxpnclti then
once more he repeated as TO the necessity OF
adopting q firm and rigorous policy, lot tue House
be persuaded that many circumstances during
the last few months had convinced the Ministry OF
It's necessity and that II has already adopted that
policy and viii continue TO do SO.
After this eating OF humble pie the debate, for
any practical pupose might have closed; because
the Right and Centre by no means wished for q
ministerial crisis, and the Left, with the excep-
ton OF very small traction, had no counter prop
ositlon to make. This fraction. represented by
Bertani, deputy for Rimini, the stancn leader OF
the extreme Lett, presented the following order
or tie day.
"The Chamber, recognizing from the present
moment that the law regarding the prerogastves
OF the Supreme Pontln and the Court OF Rome and
the relations between Church and state, mas been
found, aner four years. experience. instead Of
having attained the scope desired by Iialy and
given example TO the Catholic states OF Europe.
OF the separation OF Church ana state to have en-
veloped ana entangled the latter in vicious circle
detrimental to both, inspired Dy the supreme
right OF man to complete liberty OF conscience.
invi'es she Ministry to present new project OF
law, OF which the guarantee offered 60 liberty ex-
cudes all privilege ana establishes the equality OF
ali religious credsncss before the law and passes
&c.,
This was q distinct proposition. Hence IL mad
its rdtson Getye But the other sixteen orders Of
the day tended simply and solely to induce tho
government to CARR out strictly the execution Of
the law. They might, therefore, have been
summed up into one. There Is very little disci-
pine among Italian members, least or all among
those or the Lef. Inc only incident OF Importance
on saturday was
MINGHETrI's REPLY TO HIcELs,
who had asked whether Germany had addressed
any note 10 Italy on the ecclesiastical
question. The Minister distinctly stated