New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-06
WHAT WAS NOT SAID ON THE OCCASION OF
THE ACTUAL APOLOGY.

that Mr. Moulton made to Mr.. Tilton after you
came in in which he spoke OF what you had
DONE and that ought TO be satsfactoydo remen-
Der any such phrase this being used by Mr. MouOn u
He has, I'm my opinion, done everything that man
could do-up to the point Of making public statement
OF the facts.
| A. No. Sir there was no such thing said.
O. Was there at any time during that interview or he
fore that time any desire for propriety in public
| statement OF the facts
Mr. FuIlerton-One moment. That Is objected to.
| Judge Nelson-Thc question is-what was saidf
Mr. Evarts-Was there at any time, between you
three, up TO that time, suggestion from anybody that
public statement OF the facts ought be madei A. 70
far from IT, that the whole Of every interview and OF
this particular that public statement Of the df
| fculties in that family ought to be concealed.
Q. Now, Sir did Mr. Ton at this interview, afterMr.
Moulton had addressed him. say anything Of this kind
How can you expect speak TO man who has
ruined my wife, broken up my home, and who then getS
woman and uses that permission for the purpose Of dc
| tating to her aud making her write down "a Lief
| A. Was there anything like that said by Mr. Tlton to
met
@. Yes to you A. Not word OF il.
O. Now did Mr.. Moulton, following that use expires.
sOns OF this kind:
But Theodore, you must remember that Mr.. Beechec
has sent you letter through me, humbling himself
before you rs he does before Godf
A. No, Sir; no. Sir!
O. Now Sir, at this interview did anything of this kind
pass between you and Mr. Tltonan observation OF this
kind, which Mr. Tilton imputes to you
l know it but words and words are little or
nothing and words OF mine nor any act OF mine can
undo the great that have done to You and ~
Elizabeth
And did you then say anything OF this kind:
do not put any plea for myself but only for her.
Indeed IL you wish 10 carry out the demand when was
communicated to me in your letter OF Christmas Day,
that should retire from my pulpit you have only to cay
| the word and will rctirei
A. The mpuation Of any such language as that TO mo
! is a wholesale fiction. 1t is absolutely false.
Q. Did you say:
The renting OF the pews shall not go on-I will bow
| my head aud 20 out OF public hIef
A. Nothing OF the sort. You might as we'll
Mr. Fullerton-Oh, wait.
Mr. Eyarts-Well-
| The witness-Yes, know did not say it.
O. Did you then proceed in any such wise az ms 10
say further shall read anything equivalent to IT,
this request to make, thatf IT be necessary for
give notice in advance OF your intention 10 do so in
order that may either 20 out OF the world by suicide or
else escape from the face VI my friends by voyage 10
some foreign landf
A. No. Sir made no such foolish statement ~ that;
nothing OF the sort nothing which any such saiemens
can be founded.
O. Was there any intimaton or suggestion that any
| body expected or wanted publicity giyeni
Mr. Beach-That is objected to-
Mr. Eyarts-Whyf
| Mr.. Beach-Bccause IL is leading.
Judge Neison-was there anything said upon the sub.
| ject OF publicityf
Mr. Evarts-Was there anything said by anybody oa
the subject Of publicity being expected desired by Mr.
Tiltoni A. Not at that interview, anything that sub
ject.
O. At ALI A. Nothing at all on that subject that re-
call.
O. Did YOU say this or anything OF this import eecS
And Furthermore I ask you do me this favor thai
whoever the wide world Is TO be informed ~ tho
facts OF fs ease at least She % n o s dn H
may very readily become NINE
A. Dol understand that this question was put after
my statement that going to commit suicide ~
going on a foreign yoyagei
@ This comes nexti A. NO, Sir; there was no SUCH
statement made.
O. Was there anything OF the kind said about informing
your wife, or that she might become your enemyi No,
Sir; no. Sir; never had dread OF that in my life.
O. Did you say this:
II YOU can spare her the pang Of having these facts
tional occasion of gratitudef
A. No, Sir; nothing Of the sort.
O. During this interview OF this Sd Of January, in Mr..
MoutOns chamber there anything said OF this KIND
said by you to Ir. Tilton and If So what:
do not beg at all for myself but for her meaning
Elizabeth she not to blame; was altogether at
fault my sacred office and my years should have con-
bned TO have made her guardian not her tempterI
A. There was something OF that sort said
O. In what way in what connecticut A. said thao
10y feeling was for myself alone that my sympathy
and feeling for Elizabeth that my age and expe-
ence should have enabled 10 have and foeseen
any mischefs such had taken pace-such as then
thought had taken place.
O. Such had been reported TO you' A. Such as had
been reported me, and such tho conduct OF Mis-.
Tilton led to suppose must have taken place.
O. Did you say TO Mr.. Tton ths-that the relationship
which had existed between yourself and Elizabeth had
not always been marked by sexual inmacyf No. SIT;
no, Sir; odi0usly false
O. That the earlier years OF free from any such
faint and crime, and that only during the last year.
little than year, and that year shortened by
country vacation had that sexual intimacy existed-dd
you say anything Of that kindi A. IL is intolerable,
almost be asked that question; but before Almighty
God no such question ever, by anybody, at any ume'
under any circumstances put 10 Or in CONVERSE
ton with me, alluded TO.
O. Or any such statement made by you'll A. Or any
such statement made by me-
O. Did you also say did you say, that You did not
know how you could offer any mitigation or excuse for
Yourself and yet you wanted him, Mr. Ttcn to believe
for Eizabeths sake and also for his that you had
sought her for any vulgar end but that your sex
ua commerce had been through love and not through
lusti A. never used any such language Us that Me
| Evarts. II seems
O. Was there any such topic at that interview A. NO
such topic at that interview at any other was OF
was possible. am obliged 10 hear these questions put
In court Such questions codld have been put ID
any OF the interviews the parties concerned
O. Did you following this at any time, say any
thing OF this kind that had sought eompanionshpn
her mind that you had taken manuscripts TO her has
abe might be your critic and that the blame belonged to
you and not 70 heri That there may have been con-
versaton respecting my reading to her is very likely,
though not at that interview. AT other interviews
spoke OF myof the pleasure that had derived from my
intercourse with her. l spoke OF her being my
critic.
@ On that OCCASION did you say to Mr.. Tlton, this or
anything like III
Tell me before you 60 you possibly reinstate
Elizabeth In your respect and lovef
A. remember no such thing 1t very likely may nave
been, but remember such thing.
O. DO You remember buryiug your face In your hapdn