New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-23
THE TILToN-BEECHER TRIAL.


stasAsd to these charges connection with this spec
ncattcnt
Mr. shesrman-Now. Il 80 please your Honor. have
allowed this without objection tn long way.
Mr.. Morris-I thank you for that
Nr shearmau-r 10 not in what respect this IN
material Mr.. Clevclands knowledge before he
this Committee has TO do with 1t at all the
gentleman can sugest any willing to be in
structed How docs g bear on Mr., Beechers
Judge Nelson-f do not see The only idea Is t'at ~
might bs preliminary question that would DO
prosr Sometimes you inquire to the knowledge ana
Information OF the witness. with view to something
thas may be material. that you intend to come NJ
.ey-andby
Mr. shearman-weIi ask respectfully that the gem
emAn state what material point is to which he pro-
poses 70 come We have spent some twenty minutes on
th.s and cannot the materiality OF 1t yet.
Mr. Morris-That r. not my fault
Mr. 5hesman-I did not object to IN the nrst place
M hopes that he would get through with It, and save
tina lint now do object to Il unless statement Is
70 be made
Judre Neilson-Counsal cannot always state IN cross
acknowledgements always very wen state what he ex
Tects TO arrive at
Mr. shearman-f could imagine any, would not Oh
feet
Imagination, or want OF II
Judge Nelson-Proceed-
Mr. Morris-Now ask you II this that am about to
Rad was not the subject OF general talk among the mem
Nara N
IResdng:l
AT An interview with Mrs Bradshaw. in Thompson's
dangerous I'm Cinton-st or about the I'd Of August
1870 Theodore "n stated mat ne nS Sa & ana M
Heeeher Afterwar in November. 1877. referring 20 the
above con versation, Mr. Tlton said to Mrs Bradshaw
fhat he rcracted non. Of the accusations which he had
formerly made against Mr. Beechei'
wienoss-Mrs. Andrew Bradshaw.
Now wasn't that the subject general conversation
mong members of the church prior to the Goth OF
game, Is74f
Mr.. Tracy-I object 10 that.
Judge Neilson-I think we will take it crossexsm
tnstion.
Mr. Tracy-I did not hear the observation Of your
Honor.
lodge Neilson-I think will take 1t it is on cross
examination.
Mr. Tr.cy-suppos,nc II a. your Honor. This is
tempt to prove that particular charge was the
subject of general conversation in Plymouth Church
Now Is that legitimate evidence in this easel IL fact
ths. proper be proved in that that particular
fact ne subject OF general conversational
Judge Neson-To show that 1t came to the knowledge
81 the witness; that 10 the vital point.
MI Trscy-rbey may ask him when ii first came to his
knowledge. IL that Is materially
Judge Ncilson-He was asking IL a moment ago
M Tracy-That Is not the question; they ask the
-tae-s when he learned OF it, They seeking by
ni question prove that the particular fact wa- the
subject Of general conversation in the society Now,
sabmt that that competent evidence. IL is not
,ompotent 10 prove the fact.
Judge Seilson-A little while ago the counsel did ask
him vbeu it first TO his knowledge; and now he
AXIS ann. suppose with view of helping him to that
fast
Nj Tfacy-But il he has answered the questionable
~itnesSTias answered that.
Judge Neilson-He don't tell us when it first TO
ms knowledge.
Mr. Aor~--we haven't got answer TO that yet
making this preparatory TO repeating that question
again
Mr. Tracy-rhen, suppose. vour Honor II the witness
IL Bterrogated IN the general conversations we are
s~m,tisd know what the general conversations were
ar shesrman-we are willing to take this, provided
permitted TO show the conversations and what
said about Mr.. Tilton In Plymouth Church.
Judge NrilsOn-It would not open the door to that.
Mr.. Morris ito the wtness-when, Mr. Cleveland,
aL this charge that have read nrst come 10 your
knowledge
Mr. Tracy-That don't object TO-
Judge Neson-Wel
The Wituess-Probably during the Summer.
u VITA; summert A. 1878, il that was the year I
forget about II.
O. Yes: during the Summer OF 1878. Well Mr.. Cleve-
and. when did this Committee first meet A Had an
informal conference four members OF it, sunday the
sSta o; June.
O And where was that informal conference held A.
A. Augustus storrs's, IN Monroe-place.
q Was the Committee then Orgsni2edf A. II was not.
4 Any statements madeaDy estlniony taken? A. No,
sir
Q When was the NEXT meeting Of the COmmittce' A.
There several informal meetings during that week
Q That u not my question; when WAS the next meet
ins' The first regular formal meeting for business
~ the 10th OF July.
Q Wac that my question: A. You asked me when the
Committee next met.
q. You say there a meeting on the 29th-sunday
sght. the 18th; ask you when the next meeting was
dad not ask you for any formal informal meeting
S0w han hey meet an
NJ. shcsrman-Either formal or informal
The wtaess-I replied tha,-well. on Monday night
Mr.. Morrison Monday night; and who were present
81 Monday night A. cannot recOect, Sir
Q. As near as you can reeolectf
Nr. Tracy-I object 70 that question, your Honor.
deslre 10 raise the question whether to have
every ting the Investigating Committee and what
tsnspired the meeting sppose the fact being that
proceedings Of that Committee entirely mmaterial
hare committee. Anything that the counsel wants
= inquire about that this witness did as COM
ueeman he is at liberty To inquire about but SUI
init tia. is not worth while spend the time Of
e Court ia investigating tho Investigating Committee,
or in taking evidence TO the number OF their meetings
have MOI the slightest objection make none 20 any In
suiry "A what this witness did az committeeman at
all In that concede they have the fullest scope
Mr. Beaeh-This would seem TO he within that scope.
Mr. Morris-who present at that meeting on Mon
DAY osecingi
Mr. Trscy-At the time when the Committee met; or
Who were present each Of these meetingsf That is
the point OF my objection submit that II he was
present you may show anything that he did Oh any Thing
that nc said a committeeman.
Judge Heilson-rf that were so, You could show the
.,f,e when and who alec present.
Mr. Tracy-I don't think you could All care about 1t
"a thu to know whether the time OF the Court is TO be
taken 10 20 through with meeting Of the Committee
suppose the rule be that the only object OF this in
aury u 20 show bias of this witness II can have no
other legitimate purpose than that and that Is the OBJ