Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1875-06-01
INDIAN COUNCIL TO-DAY.



department ut l0o'clock this morning. There
was present Secretary Delano and Commits
Sioner Smith. on the part of the department.;
Professor Marsh was also in attendance.
The ''talk" commenced at 1880 O'Clock i'm
Assistant Secretary COwan's room, which
was crowded with group of curious peO-
pie male and fe92 le-dcSiTOuS Of getting
glimpse OF the rel men Of the forest.
COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID TO THE IN
DAMS:
When You were asked here last as q whole
delesaJion the Secretary laid before you
matters for your consideration. He asked
NOu 40 go to another country south of where
You now are. He asked YOU To think about
The offer that congress had made you of
$500 for the REIMBURSEMENT OF the right
Ia hunt south of the Republican fork and in
Ncbras KAT. He asked you to consider seri-
ouSly Inc trouble we are all in now, both the
INDIANS ana the government, relative to
keeping away white men from the Black
HIS for mining purposes; also. the impOS-
SIoIiity of preventing the white people from
gong where they expect gold can he found.
When You were here last he asked Won about
going To the Indian country. and YOU said
you could not think of IL. 80 that subject
does not need 10 be discussed TO daV. Yen
wanted $1,000 more to relinquish part OF
Your hunting ground, which The Secretary
told You he could not give, and il you 10 not
take that within n month he cannot even
give You the s25,o05 voted by Congress. You
have had long time To think over these
subjects, and hope this is the last interview
we VIII need o have with each other.
RED CLOUDS REPLY.
The Indians, upon the conclusion of the
tOmnll-slOnerS remarks. put their heads
together and spoke one with the other in low
tones. Then Red Cloud. IN a black suit.
stepped up and said: Great Spirit, near me:
ana have mercy uTOn me and pity me. Long
TauSe.i | Say that ] am brought mp so tnat
teicre / speak / call heaven and earth 10 wit
hess WhaL i say. ! have remembered the
words OF my Great Father haVn't LEI them
go. Look at me; ] am Red Cloud. The Pres
iJent must have made mistake when he
4 tTp ~ wa
for thirly-fVe years. Wnen / came again
he told me that ii was for thirty years
only leaving cut the years which have
PASSED over Us since ! FIRST came. lP3uSal
The President at That time asked me 10 Sc
Iecl place Tor an agency ana selected il.
These Two men that are beside ire told me
last summer that -2jUu0 had been apurO-
prHprlated and wanted me To give up the
right TO hunt in Nebraska. 1 said wait: let
the Great Father hold the money for me. /
>alu would come and see II ne really had
the money in his handS-SiO,GO0 in one hand,
and The balance in the other. ] have chill
dren and ! am not willing To do anything
which Will make Us poor. | wish TO tell you
tnis $4,000 viii only pay for the land as far
as where Chief Whistler was killed-the land
above that is not paid for. 1t is four years
since have been here. have been shown
q large building here where the money is
Kept. and know have Il great deal there.
l will take the $4,000 which YOU offer but
be fore winter ! wish you would get more.
W hen came mere before the President said
nothing about giving up the right To hunt on
the Republican. | have seen little of him
this time, but l think il hard that he wishes
us 10 90 10 the Indian country. / told You
twice won't go there my country is good
country, and whatever we plant grows there.
we selected II because ii was a good country,
and we wish 10 keep il. / didn't come here
10 have any lengthy dispute with the Great
Father came to tell you few things that
don't please me. don't like the running of
the Nebraska line through our country.
consider that as robbery. II was run through
our country without saying anything to Us
want the stakes taken up and run further
south Last winter, when the annuitieS
came, my people We're away. and drew the
annuity goods. Some of them had gone To
'hc White Mountains 10 hunt. and Others 10
he Hack Hills Tor lodge poles. and on.ya
lew were present when the census was tn ...l-,
W nave great many people there, ana l
AZ Igr more annuity gOOlS. When | cam
GCTe ] was told We were TO nave the white
mans food. ! am not satisfied with the food
we receive. | want gOOi food sent out every
year fOr my children ! look upon all my
people as my children. | want pork put up
in barrels, not bacon, a [ think some 81
my, children have died through eating
rice, Lominy aui tea among our ratiOlS- 1
wish 10 live like a white man. and hereafter
when YOU give Us wagons give us span OF
horses with harness. ! mean with harness
complete. our men can drive them. They
don't like To drive cattle. We would like 10
have some implements for planting. man
came out to see me who closed his ewes and
called on the Great Spirit. / asked that man
Tor powder and guns. He said he would give
them to me. and be didn't. / think some of
the white people don't tell the truth. | was
promised powder and guns and l don't get
them. This * all / have 10 ask for. The
10 900 which You give me is 50 small that |
can almost hold IL in my two hands. | wish
TO have commission Of SIX men sent out To
my country. OF these wish To choose three.
When you choose all the men ID is impossible
for my people 20 agree. don't wish an agent
Seht 10 me who Is soldier. / am a man Of
peace. If our horses run near the soldiers
c:'np they point guns at them. / want the
soldiers taken away. don't want an agent
who is a soldier. And the white people at
my agency and the soldiers have been asking
lie 10 tell the Great Father 10 give M a
soldier for an agent. but 1 don't want one.
WHITE SWAN. OF THE CHEYENNE AGENCY.
then spoke for LOrn Horn, who introduced
him rs young man He said: | came
here with these chiefs. ] don't want to work
in anybOdy'S interest but these people who
came with me TO speak for them. wish to
know first whether the Great Father counts
Us one people or not; whether we have all
the same rights. The people who came from
the west side of the reservation have argued
some points, and ! am going to speak on
them. | would like 10 know why the @ treat
Father sent for Us anyhow!
Tie tOmmiSsIOueT.-Didn he near IL from
the Great Father himself?
White Swan TeSumIng:-SGce / came
heTe-I didn't come 10 have an argument
with the Great Father at all. | came here
with less than ten persons. We cannot
consider much of anything. we have many
people behind Us. The Great Father ALWAYS
has men to do his business. He has a Congress
and Senate to SETTLE matters ofimportapce
We came here 10 know what you wanted
with rs. That's what we came for, and came
IN hurry The Z eat Father spoke TO me
q bout one thing, and Kind OF frightened me.
l didn't think didn't have q country OF my
own, when he spoke about sending me To
some other persons country to live. II is not
necessary for me TO take word back TO my
people about the Indian territory. Ii
wouldn't do for me 10 talk about IL. II
wouldn't be right. / wish when / return
home you would give me all the assistance
in your power to keep the whites out of my
country. GOu have done mean thing To us
in not furnishing us the means for laboring.
He then complained of the rations fur
nished 10 him, covering about the same
ground previously gone over by Red Cloud.
SECRETARY DELANo THEN SAID
The Great Father and the Secretary of the
Interior and the Commissioner OF Indian
Affairs are the friends of the Indians, and
wish TO make them well of. The Great
Father sees that the white people are going
to spread themselves all over that country.
This will destroy the game, so that when il
is gone the Indian cannot live as he used TO
live. The Great Father wants to provide for
the Indian when this state of affairs comes.
The treaty OF ls6S was made in consequence
nf tha iny II OF tel.