New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-06

VI.
The witness-In whatever was II any compost
ton Of mine
@ Was II copy o production Il any dictation OF
yourst A. In proper Of the word "dctaton,"
| did dictate IT,
O. ask your attention 10 the part first clause In
that memorandum, which reads thus, suppose; read
| from print
ask through you Theodore TltOns forgiveness and
humble myself before him a. do before my Coo -
O. Did you express that sentence In those words or
their equivalent TO Mr.. MOultOn that night A. nd
not Ibid say that In view Of the statements made FELT
that had wronged him and had wronged his house
hold and that woud-I had humbed myself before Goa
for it and was willing to humble myself before Mr..
| Tlton.
@. This clause:
He would have been better man in my circumstances
| than have been
Did you express that clause in those words, or any
equivalent meaning or expression A. did, substan
TALLY that, good many tmes over
O. In what connection and reference TO what topic
concerning which you speakngi A. In reference
TO the fact that had wore almost the first blush,
sided against Mr. TiltOn and with Mr. Bowen When l
In difficulty Mr. TltOn had instantly and with most
generous ponaney dropped everything and gone to my
service and help and when he In trouble at once
| took sides against him.
Q. Was that your feeling at that time In comparing
your conduct it stood before You with his conduct as
you remember 1t, toward yoursefi A. remember 1t
very distinctly, Sir; shall not forget it to the Judgment
| Day.
@. Did you express in these words this-what is-what
| appears as this clause In the memorandum:
can ask nothing except that he will remember all the
| other hearts that would ache
A. No. Sir did not make any statement which Is ex
pressed by that formua-I did, In that conversation
repe the idea that acting seshly; and did call
up In various FORMS and at different times In the CONVEX
saton, and repetously the relations which sustained
| tn afh a1.nl1 and IN
and TO the friends in the church that loved If be-
| longed TO their household
q Did you express In these words, or in any eGuva-
Tents, thiswha s printed this clause Of the memo
| randum-what appears this clause Of the memoran-
| dun:
will not plead for myself; even wish that were
| dead. But Others must live and suffer.
Oh, that IL not my phraseoogy, and il Is very pale
and poor and feeble Interpretation Of the intensity with
which expressed my to lie In the Of other
| people
O. What did you express carrying the idea that not for
yourself but iof others we're you eoncerned' A. don't
| take your question, siri
O. What you state having been said by yon car
ryng the idea that not what yourself would suffer, but
what others would suffer, gave you conoernl A. Well,
MI Evarts il should be recollected that was not In
logical mood and did not measure my words, nor finish
all my and am afraid even mixed my meta
phors. There intensity that was capable OF that
did not pass through in the various expressions OF my
| feeling Sometimes IL the laceration Of my own
heart what II seemed had done toward Theo-
dore sometimes It the intense feeling that had had
what my presence in the household had done toward
Elizabeth; sometimes it indignation that Elizabeth
had what she had toward and there just that
oscillation and vibration which takes place in very
highly excited state OF mind for If had expressed in
dignation sorry for the indignation at the next
mood and went perhaps to the other extreme OF
tory statements
q. Did you dictate this clause
will die before any but myself shall be nculpated
In those words or in any equivalent expresslonf A
Well no, such phrase as that. have looked through
this and do not think phrase in 1t that is NINE
and yet think the from which good many
them drawn did say that in cerain-I cannot
recall it definitely and certainly but that did express
myself very strongly that had rather die than to have
brought such trouble or than to increase such trouble
that so far as myself alone concerned counted life
very small II could make rcparaon, but 1t was not as
anything practical and defne II was the strong ex-
preston OF surgng feeling OF regret and reorse at the
mischief that seemed to have been committed by me-
O. Task your attention to the next sentence that az
pears in the memorandum:
All my thoughts are running toward my friends
toward the poor child lying there and praying with her
folded hands.
The Witness-Yes
O. Did you express what Is thcre-there appears az
causei A. Very likely in substance, only this is very
poor expression very meager.
@ What did you say, and in what connection on that
subject A. don't know exactly what said know
that felt like father that standing over the dead
body child / remembered her. she was like death
when saw her. and she had been dear child and
friend me, and seemed TO have destroyed her. her
her moral sense and perhaps her fe for she
was lowering on the edge OF life and death and spoke
as would speak of the intensity OF my distress
O. During this conversation there any sugees-
Mr. in IN feel
others and not being exclusively concerned about your
position A. He reasoned the night before on the
3lst, with me, that ground when refused In SELF
defense give up the retraction at first and thought
that that selfish consideration would be mean and he
very likely also at some point OF the conversation may
have dealt with mt in the same way on Sunday after
do not recall distinctly any passage OF that
kind it is very likely to have happened
O. Did you use these words, or their equivalent as
contained in the next clause of the memorandum
She is gultess snned against bearing the ransgres-
sion OF anOtheTi
A. Very likely very likely; but had lived in their
household life of intimate friendship for many years.
and If had alenaed her affections in such degree and
manner as brought dscord and such distress
even had paralyzed her moral sense, rather her
reason-f had been the occasion OF that that mischief
/ took myself How could any man stand there and
this trouble
Mr. Beach-This is matter of reasoning. One moment,
Mr. Beecher
The Witness-Well, won't reason.
MI Beach-No; one moment, Sir.
Mr. Evarts-The blame OF that you took TO yoursefi
A. took the blame TO myself and continued to take 1t
TO myself until the year 1874
O. And the following clause, Mr.. Beecher-are these
your words the expression of what you stated in sub
stance:
Her forgiveness have humlly pray to God that
He may put into the heart OF her husband 10 forgive
met
A. No. Sir that sentence must go with all the rest-it
is Of my parentage the question came up OF Mr..
Ttons felng-the severity Of his feeling the drift OF
the interview such statement on my part or such
an exhibition of my mood and purposes, should lay
the foundation for kind interference between and