The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-04-13

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q. Nov aid YOU IN reply 70 any such o0serya
ton, or any observation, say. Having passed
httea tnan ever before 10 preach III A. | nave
said 10 somebody, whether II WAS 70 her or not
DON'T know, tnat my great troubles and penis had
depressed my nature ana brought me INTO a large
sympathy with suffering men. aud that Thought
seemed 70 me God had led me through dark ways
Tor that very purpose but IL had no reference 10
the topic IN your question
U. Was ~ win reference 10 any charge, tmpllca-
tlon or TACT OF adultery that you made any such
ooseryatonY A. No such thing.
q. Now, sir. dld this conversation ever occur, or
anything Of THIS nature a. No, sir.
Q. Now. Mr.. Beecher, did you have a converse
| tion with Mrs. Moulton IN the month or July. lS74H
A. Yes. sir, 1t could hardly be called q converse
ton.
recoect having talk about paper MI. Mouiron
was TO read before the Investigating Committee
q. Please state what was saidS A. The state
meut was read in my presence.
Q. What passed between you? A. Mr.. Moulton
said, Emma, lhave read THIS paper TO Mr.. Beecher
Q. Do you remember the conversation TO which
Mrs Moulton refers when she said:-"Mr. Beecher,
/ what have you done TO offend Frank?u and you
answered. II don't know-I am very sorry-I
don't think ] called the committee: could not
! any such conversation any such statement that
the church mad starred the investigation and that
4 could not prevent II was false.
Q. VINO started the investlgation2 A. 1t was
started through me, and just as a man shoots
1 Q. What occurred az the next conversation A.
| said to Mr., Moulton, up stairs, when lie asked
+ L
that ne knew best, aud must judge for himself
O. DO you remember conversation with Mrs.
Tilton proposes to do-wnat he proposes 10 pub
lsh In the Eagle to-nlghtY' You said "No.n She
ae dopy yor 10 wen Foe
said ~ have given no confession" She said, II
be a breach OF confidence" and she con GUIDED by
telling you 10 go down to the church and confess,
and you SAID tine PupIlc are not prepal ed LOT such
a conlessionW A. No. sir; no such conversation
took place,
SAID, THAT you always regarded Theodore as
faitnless man, and That you had made up your
mind to let them go anead and do their worstr
A. don't recollect any such conversation taking
place at any one time. thought Mr.. Tilton was
q foolish man, and ieit confident OF being able TO
O. DID You ever say TO mrs Mouiton, "You are
the best friend have in the world. You, knowing
the truth sim stand by me. You are TO me ike
sister ~ A. NJ such conversation TOOK place
except have called her sister and had sincere
esteem and affection lor ner -,
O. Did she state anything TO you about Mrs. TIL
ton, saying. al think the woman Is as much TO
blame as the man. The mother OF i've children
should not have acte0as she mas, " and did you an
swer, s'she is not 10 blame; take all that on
myself ~ A. No such conversation ever took
place; there were conversations that / recollect
on the household, on sociaistic and other TOPICS
not especially in connection with mrs. Mouton.
q. Did Mrs. Moulton ever say TO you as foows:-
4 ~ told Mr.. Beecner that Mr.. Robinson hau thought
IL strange that Mr.. Beecher pai1 80 many visits TO
y Mr.. Moulton; he thought there must be some
trouble. and he thought ought to tell him what
\ 1t was; ne said that sometimes ne thought Mr..
Beecher had been guilty OF theft or some other
7 guilty OF adultery with Mrs. Illton;n he said he
/ could not believe sucn thing-now did know 1t ?
said had seen the confessions OF both parties !;
told Mr.. Beecner about what had said, and ne
said he was glad had smootaed the way over
/ ever took place /; IL Is entirely false.
Q. Do you know Mr.. ROBINSON A Yes quite
Q. Is he an attendant OF your church, A. Yes,
\ q regular attendant.
q. Did you ever in conversation with Mrs. Mou-
i ueSDOnQenL and
spirits thinking over your crtmeS A. l never
scknSwedgea 70 aaJ crline nave expressed 10
affairs oil that family and that was glad 10 talk
as she always took cneerlul view OF the question
Witness then stated 1T Is not true that any
conversation OF the kind took place; the idea or
turning aside from the pulpit TO edit daily paper
was preposterous; knew my VOCATION; there
were several suggestions OF the kind made, hut
statement 10 the effect that my church would not
stand BY me; they would not treat me as Rener-
OIL think you have said you did not see Mrs.
Moulton on that Monday or the Tuesday evening
you we're In town. A. No. sir, did not see her.
O. Do you remember any conversation wnen
Mrs. Moulton said Mr.. 1ilton was treacherousS A.
Yes. recollect ner expressing sucn sentiments
.. Mr. Beecher you have spoken OF seeing Mrs
Moulton on the LIST Of May and that you were az
the house IN the evening ana saw Mr.. Moulrons A.
was, sir, and saw them ooth.
THE AFGHAN.
O. Now on the 3lst we're you lying on the lounge
covered with an aighanY A. No, sir, was never
SO disposed on tns 3lst OF May.
q Now, Mrs. Mouton states that upon getting
up rom the sofa you walked up and down tue
room, and, with tears streaming down your
cneeks, you said, "You thought 1t was very hard
10 be brought TO such an end after lie OF useful
ness,u and said, 'rbere was only one way out OF
lt-by confessing 1t ~ a. No such conversation
o. Placing her hand on your shoulder, did she
saw, go down 10 the church, confess, Frank Will
ike a section oil the day OF Judgment ~ A. No,
SIR; IL never occurred; IL - the last expression or
the kind | should make 70 Emma Moulton should
rather call her q bank offspring flowers.
Q. Did she ever say 10 you, Il can never respect
you unless You manifest 70 me your repentance
by gong 10 the cnurcn and coniessngn A. No,
sir; II is most melancholy iasenood.
Q. DID she say, 1t IS very hard for everybody
connected with this matter; you can settle 1t oy
concession; you nave only this one course, aud
they Will forgive itS" A. She made no sucn state
ment IL is certainly false.
O. DO you remember q conversation as fol-
lows-"Mr. Beecher spoke OF bringing me some
memenIoes and added speaking OF Mrs. Tilton,
sinned through her anectionsr" A. No, sir.
THE DESIALs.
The time was drawing near recess. For two
hours an unceasing iteration or negative assevera-
lions had been going on. Tue form oil denial was
little varied from that OF last week. "No sir.n
with o iull loud accentuation OF the "no,n ana
ssNever; no, sir, never" in the more imprisoned
and indignant forms. Negatives OF different
phraseoloey, depending on the character OF the
question, were also used. The voice OF the wit
ness kept up pretty even tone throughout ex.
cept for q rev moments. When he came to speak
OF a conversation with Mrs. Moulton concerning
Mrs. Tllton there was none or the emotional
quaVering that excited alternate feelings OF rldi.
cule ana pity on several days last week.
Q. After hat did you SPEAK OF your having COM
mltted q crime A. have often spoken TO Mrs.
Moulton OF the breaking out OF the truth, but
never alluded 70 ~ as a crime or q confession.
witness stated:-I daresay 1 may nave said to
Mrs, MoultOn TO advise Mrs. 1lltOn not TO talk 10
any people oil her anaira. as there were several
visiting her that might make mischief; l never
told her 70 be careful 10 tell her not TO make a
confession.
@. Now, Mr.. BeecheT, In ali your conversations
win Mrs. Moulton did she, either in words or by
any Imputation suggest the crime OF adultery
between yourself and Mrs. Tilton A. She never
did. neither by word nor lmputauon.
q Was that fact ever imputed or made the SUBJ
ject or conversatloa between your A. IL never
was
Tne Court then took the usual recess, the Judge
bordering the onlcers 70 prevent any one speaking