The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-01-19

very clearly our own Intention, that the tact OF
extra exeruon.- You never were Included until
this morning. Your name was never mentioned
Mr.. Woodrow. want to say to you that from
the beginning OF TINS investigation ana ali through
1t there has been one UNANIMOUS, Determined
mittee TO get at all the iacrs and II you or any
body else can give US the slightest mint that win
committee will lohow II out, even INTO the halls OF
Congress. You think we have got to the door ana
VIII nOt enter; out we Will enter II you only show
witness-I think you have got IN on one or rwo
cases.
The Chairman-state little more distinctly
what you said moment ago In reference 10 Nj.
witness-I said simply that In the same way
and IN the same sort OF runor which connected
was also mentioned. as having been In some
way on tue iis' OF Commodore Garrison or some
@. Did you ever hear OF any other list except
Commodore Garrison'ss a. think not.
@. Did you ever near that Mr.. Dawes name was
that NJ. Dawes was implicated IN some way with
the distributor Of THIS money.
z. DO you not know that Commodore Garrlson's
list was list or those names wuo this man,
Syphcr, thought he could c0ntroly A. Yes.
local or other innuence thai Mouio lead You 90
suppose that he could have any control over mcf
A. II would not seem natural that ne should have.
was an ayowed supporter OF the subsidy A. l
Tae Cnairman-Tnen there was no occasion to
put me on anybody's list as one who could be con-
trolled.
to observe that nave no more undertaken 10 say
tnat there was particle OF truth IN that rumOr
which are cacns ana winch coms as u.s.
you VIII do me the lurtner justice TO remember
that wrote, IN letter to member OF the commit
thar his name Is currently talked ABOUT In this
O. have you any supposltlon that that ,ntima
ton ever reached me? A. supposed IL would
naturally when sent It to . member OF tue COM
z. Did you request him to communicate 1t TO
mcY A. putt IN The exsct Language quoted
z. VIII you give the committee the ground for
the rumor thar was implicated In that NATTER
A. Tine rumor was simply repeated from mouth to
q Did any ground for the runor ever reach
your carr A. Noting thar ever accepted or that
said 70 any one led me to believe 1t.
q. Then 1t was rumDr, without any reason &C.
companyinR ity A. Exactly; the same kind or
necred number OF other people with the Pacific
Mall subsidy that nave since been proved to have
O. Have you any evidence, or any suspicion that
Iurntshed any ground Tor sucn rumor2 A. II
you ask me Il nave any evidence against you, l
Z. Have you any ground for a suspicioni A. 1
do not think should say that suspected you IN
the least, uut should say q great many Others
have done so evidently. =.
Q. Have you anything which you can furnish
the committee that has been considered ground
Ior any sucn runor A. should say can give
reason Tor believing the rumor save It's current
repetition in Well informed circles.
Q. GIVE US The circles in when 1t was current?
A. II Il the sort OF report which New YORK nsws-
among the bankers and business men bring back.
Z. was the gossip which You SAID reached you
In reference 70 Inc confined to this list OF Commo.
dorc Garrison'.f A. NO; the gossip which l
beard, aud which hear at different lines. and tn
which attached So little Importance that re-
Thousand other rumors-connected you In some
way with the payment OF the money by the pa
cine Mai. Steamship Company.
Z. And you communicated 1t conidentially to
member OF the committee, suspicion IN regard to
to himself A. had received messaSe rom Mr. r.
Beck concerning the affairs OF the committee and
had received no message from you; certainly did
not think that was u matter which l had any
had 70 approach Mr.. Wood.
The Chairinan-l never heard my name men,
toned IA regard TO tue matter until last Thurs
day, and then summoned before the committee
the man who was represented TO have had some
thing do with It, and 1t turued out that ne never
had the slightest tntng to do with 1t himself;
Mr.. Wood explained that he had not communt.
Gated the remark concerning him IN Mr. Reds
note, both because the note was marked 'VonH.
referred to merely as idle gossip or no especial
consequence, and for tile raason tnas be Thought
examination OF Mr. Reid aud Commodore Garrison.
both OF whom tnc COMMITTEE had already deter.
Sir. sufclzfo asked Mr. Reid whether he would
suggest that oil the memoers OF the House ar the
LlIue Vi the p6bSag6 OF the SUBSIDY Should be e.
CURED to produce their accounts ana show how
taey received any sums appearing TO their credit,
VI whether he dld not tnink the committee had
really commenced at the rigut END to trace the
alleged disbursements.
Witness intlmated nat ne thought both courses
might % pursued. and the COMMITTEE then Or
dered the room to be CLEARED In order to receive
from MIN any Information or suggestions that ne
might think best TO communicate IN private.
A GOOD-HUMORED TALK.
After the retirement OF the crowd there was an
entirely informal aud good-humored talk on the
v<ytva
members freely expressed the opinion that It
would have been better to get nrst IN private
municated. Mr. Reid explained Mr.. IRWIN mad
sent his lawyer to MIN during his absence
country to avoid investigation, and to request as
favor the publication IN the Tribune OF u letter
promising to return, which irwin mas since put IN
evidence; how Immediately on his return IRWIN
called on MN to express MS thanks Tor that publ
cation how ne (Mr. Reid) then tried to get at the
FACTS about the distribution OF the money, but
iahed 10 induce Irwin 10 30 much further than he
how IRWIN after this interview, the only time they
ever met, had sent him numerous hints tending 70
show where aud how more or less important evI-
dence might be procured. He read numerous OF
these letters for the guidance OF the committee IN
sunmoning witnesses. and gave other information
LOT winch the committee expressed their thanks
aud on when they declared their IN entiOn to sum.
mon Witnesses and maze u thorough Investigation.
testimony OF Mr.. Reid, concerning their converse.
ttons about Ordway's books, had oeen misunder.
what he found Ar. Reid had really said, but then
explained that the private accounts or members.
so Iar as he Kept them, would INDICATE no such
payments as Mr. Dillon's testimony had led per.
sons to expect. he had list OF the members
special deposits, showing lew or no accounts
which could give rise TO any just suspicion O their
having received any Of The Pacific Mail Steamship
Companys money. There was also vi INFORMAL
talk between Mr.. Reid and the committee about
the credibility OF some the declarations tar the
money paid by Mr.. Albert and others mad been for
the sole use OF those who received 1t.
The Ways ana Mean, Committee have sum.
moned Z. A. .Wetmore, correspondent or q San
Francisco paper 10 state the grounds Tor q ae.
spatch sent by him rejecting on the integrity OF
several members OF the committee in Connection
with the Pacinc Mail subsidy matter.
THE IRWIN HABEAS CORPUS.
THE WRIT DrsNrssED-JUDoE xARrHun ON
THE POWER OF COURTS TO INVESTIGATE