The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-09-04

rens and Wilkinson have had their disturbances from
this the part Of the negroes and that in some
OF the counties they have made extensive arrests
REroRrKR--l will now ask you, Colonel Wyy, II IL Is
your conviction that there any plot TO massacre the
whites and divide their property as indicated 10 the let
ter attributed 10 Cordy Harrisf
Colonel willy am lawyer, sir, and speak from
the evidence before | should doubt the evidence
OF my own IL should doubt tho existence OF
plot the part OF the negroes In this section part
OF them rather, 10 the whites and enforce
their agrarian law VINO guilty Of this out OF the
number arrested is not for mo 70 say but matter for
Judicial investigation | am satisfied that the mass Of
the rank and Tile not In possession Of the full
Of the organization, but that they
obey all orders OF their officers blndly what
those orders might be- They knew, however, that the
organization for the purpose OF commencing
offensive movement against The whites The officers
believe TO have been in full possession OF tho entire
plan OF operations and that they terribly in earnest
In their design.
REpoRrKR-what cause do YOU assign for so sudden
and bloody minded organization you this
bef
Colonel wYLLY-wcl, sir to commence do not be-
leve that the orginators OF these organizations
had such designs as have been developed by dis
closures My opinion is that political leaders high In po
ston first attempted the organization tho negroes
the south Tor their own purposes hut that the negro
who sadly Ignorant went beyond tho original design
and became rather Jacobn In his IDEAS also believe
that II was the intention OF the orignators get up
conflict In order to make political capital out of the out
RACES which might result from such conflict, and thus
cement the crumbng ranks Of the extreme wing OF the
republican party The negroes themselves show that In
their conversations
REPoRTER-My question was directed rather toward
the negroes themselves; have they any grievances
MEETING them to deeds OF violence and agrariansm9
Colonel WYLLY-None under Gods heavens that
know Of IL this section Of the State. Old prejudces
were rapidly disappearing, the negroes prosper
Gus, and every indication pointed TO their future ad
men of property. The whites we're learning TO look
with more confidence upon the negro race, and to all
appearance that feeling reciprocated by The blacks
REPoRTER-What effect II any has the passage OF
the Civil Rights act had upon the coored population?
Colonel WrLLY-Bad OBJECT, for the reason that the
negroes do understand the provisions OF
the Civil Rights act, they looking upon Il as law
upon them the most extensive rights and privileges
political civil and social Or, IN other words they
look upon II as law made by the republican party
bestowng upon them the right OF enrte into the social
circle, the right to divide property with the whites the
right TO do as they please regardless Of State laws
They consider that that act Of Congress places them in
position above the white man Of the South, and tina,
the white man has no rght-persona civil political
which they by law bound respect Ono old
negro, very intelligent for his race gave his under
standing OF the Civil Rights act every known principle
OF law and government and wound up by saving that
one OF its provisions that you shouldn't use OBJ
scene or profane language in the presence Of female
give you this instance as an illustration of what
ncgro's idea of the Civil Rights act is
REPoRTER-What Is the industrial condition OF the
ooored race. so far as II comes under your obser-
walton?
Colonel WrLLr-The older negroes, those trained in
ante behtem times, work. as general rule, well, and
,hrvlhg. me younger generation are thrlitess,
ignorant, and not educated to a high standard OF
moraity have very poor appreciation of moral ideas
and are looked upon by the older ones as drones
REPoRTER-What Is your judgment, Colonel Wyly,
to the future OF the racesg
Colonel wYLLYI do not think that It will be possible
for tho continue 1.-Two together peace where
they nearly equal in numerical strength they
are in this section much longer If these connections
continue. The more excitabe classes of both races
will certainly bring on conflict at unfortunate
time in the future While deeply dcplore such fact
still It stares me in the face and am bound to recog
nize It's existence. These commotiOns however, would
not occur SO frequently be Of such magnitude II It
not for political ntrIguers who anagonize the
races.
A coloRED xAx's VIEWS
Happening TO fall In with colored man OF this town,
whom shall call Peter, asked him his opinion the
topic Of the day in this section the recent apprehended
instruction. He was very shy at first, but after
evident struggle, in which his desire to disburden him
self contendcd with resolve 10 say nothing finally
consented to touch upon the all-engrossing theme.
Many were the hints. however, Of white folks 'twissng
twisting the colorcd people about 3d. before he finally
plucked up heart of grace and said:-
Dere amt nothing in all this yer Its jis' plan to
COW dc colored people down. De fus' beginning
we had a meeting here de biggest that the colorcd
people have had since Governor Bullock Governor
never see so many colored folks together here since
we had the three days voting in Governor Bulock's
time. They had three drums and was going to have
meeting in sandersvc but tho white folks said 1t
and Use going to give same as would to anybody.
REroRTER-That's all right; go on.
the coorcd people have any quality; seems like they
amt willing to live under the same law dat it almost
kills 'cm for the oolored people to have any rights
REroRrER-But how about this meeting?
| ,PETER-De meeting wasn't held then; said
there would DO troubles dcy come up tho road to town,
REPoRrER-You say that they had three drums; were
| there any arms or uniforms?
PETER-No, sab; dere was no arms; dey had a uni
form, blue jacket, the eka rights jacket they called
IT. the colorcd folks had 1t from Governor Bulocks
| time; of them had feathers in their hats; como
| had rcd feathers, some black and white.
REroRTER-Pcter, what do you think of all this busi-
| ness?
likes give It to anybody I'm man what always
talks out right and has my pnion. lam radical man,
OATS the truth. was from the fus' start and spec
to die one. Somehow likes dat way And tell you
the coored people never had no such Idea Of killing the
hp peop = e He
want to give tho colored people any rights White
come TO sandcrsvic and get drunk and hoer and moth
ing done; but colored man do IT, and pissol psto
to his head and march him to the guard house. White
man get drunk and cuss about and say damn
| him. jus get in his buggy on his horse mule
and go out OF town. and cuss the Marshal God damn,
| go TO hen Colored man can't do dat Snatch him up
quickl Coorcd people don't like all that; dere ought
TO be the same law for all; give man the same rights.
The colorcd people are going to have meeting go
way-to emigrate This IL the meanest, worsest county
in this State They don't want the colorod people to
have any rights Pears like you can't get jesticc Go
and brought up my proof and put in the count and /
never did see any oft Dat was in the Bureau
REPoRTER-So the Freedmen's Bureau treated yon no
| better than the white peopleS
PETER (aftcr pause and then with laugh, as fhe
had made facetous discovcry)-Dat's so. never
any OF It,
REpoRrER-How are the coorcd people getting alongs
Are they making money!
PETER--Somo doing fus' rate; others not 80 we'll
In gip'ra dey isn't dom well in Governor Bull
F, locks time. Some is making right sharp.
REPoRTER-What do you think OF all this trouble?
PErER-You mean all this drilling aud mastering and
going about?
REPoRrER-About these trials?
PErER--Dere amt truth in H. Blacks never had
idea, never Of all SIGH. Never wanted no trouble
Some OF em may have made false steps; doesn't say
they hasn't Dey may hang some OF EN- Citing up
things, and turning some OF em about, and a.using
them; may poison some, but there amt nothing white
man; very cunning you know dat Turn and turn and
wis' wis about, and dere they get you. May do II.
Convictl
REPoRrER-Now what do you think will be the end of
all these connections?
PErKR-Dis drilling and mastering and ALI
REPoRTER-Yes
PETER-Bood.
RgPoRTER-Do you mean boodshed between tho
white and coored races?
PETBR-Yes, derc will be blood spill.
He said this with great irankncss. in fact he had
manifested throughout after overcoming his first disin
clination, and with apparently firm belief in the
truth OF what he said On inquiry II appeared that no