The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-09-03

opinion IhAt he Win IHe plTIIe5 nave mentOned
or they have sent him other parties; made no ar
rangement in June concerning tho child, and knew no
more of him than child unborn; never had tho
curiosity 10 inquire where the child was whoever says
those parties spent the night at my house lies; did not
tell them that was in communication with Waing and
was keeping him OF the track
Mr. Leslie now read the statement made on the 18th
OF April, which substantially as follows:-
was born in Paterson, but was raised In New York;
lived In Philadelphia, in January, with Mosher's fam
ily having been discharged from the New York police
force and desiring TO get something to do here went
back TO New York In April; Mosher in the moth
preventive business and attended auction sales Mosher
and Douglass had horse and small box wagon when
was here, but sold 1t to the Morrisseys before
went 70 New york; / never heard then anything or
any contemplated crime, but packages OF
shawls and dress goods came to thu
house by express, about which had q suspicion;
came back from New York in June and stayed tw1
Gays peddlng this moth POWDER the evening Of
York that day. Mosher asked me TO walk with him
Washington avenue, and showed me horse and buggyt
ne SAID he had just bought them; the horse was
medium-sized bay and the buggy was l think black
light bodied and santing downward; he said he had
paid 500 for the horse my suspicion that he had
stolen themj Mosher wrote letter that afternoon,
and / took it TO New York and mailed IL 10
Rondout; / did not want TO give Mosher away
but was willing to give Douglass away, and that was
why told Walling that he could get the child by taking
Douglass first heard Of this abduction when saw it
In the papers; 1t made no impression me; 1 met
Mr. Morrlssey after and he spoke about this alb
duction, and said he thought it Mosher and Doug
lass and this was the first time no had his attention d.
rected to these men in connection with the crime but
placed no credit in the story.
The Court took recess for threequarers Of an hour
and resumed its session at two p NJ.
wALLISG ON THE STAND
Superintendent Walng was then placed on the stand
and examined by Mr. Hagert
O. When your attention first directed TO the case
of Charley Rosy A | cannot say the time; my lrst
attention was called to II through a newspaper
Mr. Hagert said that he proposed to show by this wit
that while Westervet protesting TO cooperate
with Wang he was at the same time refusing to give
him information; in fact was screening the men, made
false statements TO the SUPERINTENDENT subject to his
withheld information and to show circumstances fol-
lowed by other proof &c interfering in their arrest
The examination proceeded as follows:-
O. Was your attention drawn to any particular per-
sons at any particular time in reference TO this caseY
MT Brown objected TO the question as improper and
irrelevant Mr. Hagert argued that il was perfectly
proper one and Judge Elcock SO decided The witness
then answered as follows:-
A. My attention was first called to Mosher and
Douglass in the latter part of July 1874 in connection
with the abduction OF Charley Ross.
Q. After that time were the police Of New York seek
ing for Mosher and Douglass and the recovery Of the
child, and if so for how longS
Mr.. Brown objected to this question. Objection
ruled. Witness continued
A. They searching for Mosher and Douglass
until their DEATH and for the recovery Of the child
since then had the direction Off first Weser-
welt the 18th of August 1874 in reference TO the
rest of Mosher and Douglass had conversation
with him; he brought to my residence by Captain
Hedden, Of the Thirteenth precinct police and officer
Moran
By Mr. Ford-was he under arrestS
A. l suppose he was; now offered that II he would
assist me to recover the child he should have the whole
of the reward offered asked him to assist not to make
The District Attorney asked what occurred at that in
tervew. Mr. Ford promptly objected TO the introduce
ton Of Westervet's conversation when he under
arrest Long arguments were made both sides, and
in the confusion the witness answered the question
A. In answer to what said TO him about the reward
he wanted to know what he could make out Of III that
thereIwere so many policemen in the case that his
share would be small; told him he should have all
that there to be made; he brought there to
help in securing the man and the child; he not
under arrest on any CHARGE no warrant out for
him.
The defence again objected and demanded decision
Another long argument ensued Objection overruled,
and witness continued.
probably two hours making the proposition and
he coming to any conclusion to whether he would
assist not; parted that night and let him go,
telling him that would him again; saw him again
two three days after in my private Office at Police
Headquarters; sent message Tor him and he came;
he still TO no conclusion; he thought there
too many officers on the case and asked whether had
not put more; l said had, but that it would
make no difference to him, that he would
get all the reward if he would assist me; o
day or two after that ! sent for him again;
am not positive whether it the third or fourth
interview that he gave me what he said inorma-
ton; he told me that if would watch the Astoria
ferry would probably catch them; that they in
the habit of crossing there with fishing rods pre-
tence they going fishing; had the ferry watched
by Mr.. Moran and other officers; came TO agree
ment with Westervelt that he would give me any in
formation he could get was not TO be known that he
gave me information this arrangement with him
tinued TO the time or their DEATH that is he would
give - previous to their being killed he TO me
and declined to give information TO Mosher he was
willing to give information as TO Douglass; had about
twenty interviews with him, most of them at Police
Headquarters; each time when ! sent for
him | asked him where they could be found; he
always said he didn't know where to find them
how them that he would have to wait for them
TO communicate with him; | would always ask him II
he had seen them since the previous interview had
had with him, and he continued to deny having
them In those interviews with one exception; about
the fore part OF November saw him, and he at first
denied having seen him until told him had proof of
the contrary did not tell him what proof had he
said he had met them at West Washington Market
and on the street early in the evening; Chat
he had attempted to follow them this
occasion, but they took stage at Broadway
and went down town. he suspected they had
taken the cars to 20 to see the child he believed it was
not far from the line Of railroad somewhere between
Now York and Philadelphia; he did not know, but he
suspected somewhere in the vicinity Of Trenton N. j.
have no recollection of his giving mo the dates Of
these occurrences at one interview ne asked me
had ordered Doyle and Sellick to watch him. that he
had them at tho OF Mott and Canal Streets
and thought had directed them to watch him; told
him had not given them any directions TO watch him;
Mr. Stromburghs saloon was In Mott street. near
Canal had his card at that time; he said that If
pccted him or having him watched he didn't want
nythng moro to do with it; / assured him was not
o Did Westervelt inform you of meeting between
Mosher Douglass and himself on the 14th oil August
the corner Of Allen and Houston Streets New York;
Objected TO as leading
other possible form for the question. The Court
tanned him, the counsel excepted, and witness
answered
A No. to my recollection he never gave me any date
when he had seen them.
Q. Did he inform you ofhs meeting Douglass at
Westervets house, in Henry street, New YORK, on
August 14H
Same objection Same ruling.
A. Ho never informed me Of such meeting at this
date any other.
O. Did he report to you at any time in August or
September that he had an appointment with Aosher and
Douglass to 20 to RondoutY
Same objection. Same ruling
A. He did not
O Did he inform you at any time previous TO the
killing that he had been to Rondout IN August or Sep
tember with Mosher and DouglassY
Same objection. Same ruling.
A. He did not; he never mentioned Stromburg's
saloon to me or that he had ever met Douglass and
Mosher there.
O. Did no ever inform you that Ned Morris had
brought $50 from Bill Mosher 10 his wife in August or
SeptemberY A. have no recollection
The witness asked number Of questions, based
on Westervelt's statement, in which he describes
meetings with the and other matters connected
with them Witness answered that none Of them were
reported to him by the prisoner.