The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-07-25


Mr.. McGuire-wel then. it has always been in
your mind?
Mr.. Nolan-Yes sir.
Mr. McGure-Then how 90 you come to be so
forgetiui about 1t
Mr.. Nolan don't mink aTn, except about de-
tails, and my head isn't good ABOUT DEF ails.
Mr.. McGuire-ls 1t only iauty about details In
this matter, or also about other matlerss
Mr. Nolan Laughing and very frankly)-wel
others. tLaugnter)
Mr.. washner-The list OF steamship companies
who paid you money includes The Anchor line
does IL not
Mr.. Nolan-Yes, sir.
MIR. Vosburgn--You say that the amount paid In
1871 and 1872 was only about $40. OOO but the sta
tIsiics snow that according to the number OF emf
grants u must naye oeen SEQ QooF
Mr.. Nolan-Ah, IL wasn't that much; never
got $4,000.
Mr.. McGuire-where dill you keep your bank ac-
count
Mr.. Nolan decline to tell that.
MIR. McGuire-On what ground
Mr.. Nolan-Because it Is nay private concern
the proper subject OF this inquiry Is whether anv
money mas been paid to any member or the Legis-
lature and not where had II.
Mr.. McGure-I hope that you Will reconsider
TINS determination, as the committee would be
very unwilling TO take measures That may be very
Mr.. Nolan--Ithl Pm right and III stick TO IT,
NoLAN's BAD MEMORY.
Mr.. Avord-Didnt you deposit that money in
the Union Trust Company
Mr.. N0lan-Yes. sir, some OF ir.
Mr.. Alvord-Where did you deposit the other
Mr.. Nolan-I decline TO answer.
air. Av0rd I'm stent0ran tonel-Now, sir, do
you know Mr.. Gcasons how long have you
known him?
went out In the same regiment
Mr.. Alvord-Never mud about the regiment 1
don't want any OF your glorlhcaton. l want to
know how long you have known him9
| Mr. NOlan-Since 1862
Mr.. Alvord-Gleason was a member OF the AS
sembly in 1871. Now, dld you have any converse
ton with hum about this bin :
Mr.. Nolan-I don't remember having any.
1 ~ hn n wi In ia.
! duced your bill IN the Assembly?
Mr.. Nolan-l don't remember.
| Mr.. Alvord-Was MIR. Casserly In the habit of
writing ditorials in the newspapers advocating
the reduction OF the head money!
| Mr.. Nolan-I don't know know that he is
! fond OF writing letters to the papers.
Mr. Alvord-Do you know Mr. Rudd
Mr.. Nolan-YeS, sir.
Mr.. Alvord-Do you recollect whether he was
the member VINO introduced your bill?
| Mr.. Noan-No, sir.
| qualntance OF the steamship AGENTS.
Mr.. Nolan-In 1870. through my prosecution OF
the emlgrant swtndlers.
NoLAN's MEMORY GETS WORSE AND WORSE.
Mr.. Alvord tsull very loudly)-Mr. Nolan, do
! you know wno was the Chairman or the Assembly
Committee on Commerce which reported the Dill
reducing the taxS
Mr.. Alvord-Do you know Richard Flanagan
Mr.. Nolan-AldeIman Flanagan never spoke
to MIN until six months ago.
Mr.. Alvord-Don'L you know that he was chair.
man OF che committee
M. Noian--No, sir.
Mr.. Alvord then asked him II he knew who the
other members oil the committee were, and then
named them eacn-Jerome Buck, Larry" O'Brien,
w. w. COOK, George LoHtrel-but he denied all
knowledge that they mad been members OF the
committee, although he admitted mat he knew
ignorance regarding the committee Of 1872, but
after saying twice that ne did no; know AlDerger
was on 1t, ne SAID, eyes, think he was chairman
| or IT,"
Mr.. Alvord-Did you ever pay Gleason anything
| for his nelpY
NEVER PAID ANY HUMAN BEING
Mr. Nolan I'm an emphatic tone)-l never paid
anybody penny; not e any mum m being.
board Dill you did not disburse q penny?
Here Mr. Alvord rested. being tired out for the
moment. Mr.. Mcclure relieved him.
Mr.. McGuire-Do you generally md friends
ready to hep you without compensation in such
Mr. Nolan paughing)-Yes; have always had
He stated That ali he remembered was that he
drew up the bill and gave 1t 10 the committee TO
! before them and spoke an hour However, he
would not swear to the last statement.
name an argnment before the oonmtsrs suas you
Mr.. Nolan-l'll swear that believe did; be-
| lieve l was an hour before them.
| Mr. Waehner-Don't you know that Mr.. AleXan-
der Frear, OF New York, introduced the Dill Tor
your
don't remember; he moved It's passage, but
don's know that he introduced the blu.
MIR. waehner-Did you not ask Mr.. Dennis Burns
to vote lot II and assist your
Mr.. Nolan never had word of conversation
Mr.. Waehner-Don't you know that on April
Mr.: fsesr introduced the bull and that on mo-
q tnlrd reading and at once passedS
SPEAKER INQUIRE MAKES POINT.
Mr.. McGure--So tnat you never appeared be-
fore the committee At all?
Mr.. Nolan gave no answer. but painted heavily.
Mr.. McGulre-And only three minutes passed
from the introduction OF the bill to It's passages
(To the stenoarapher) You can add that.
Mr.. Waehner- DID you speak to Tweed In 1871?
Mr.. Nolau-I never spoke to him In nv lie until
recently, wnen ne came to the district Attorneys
ONCE as prisoner.
Mr.. waenncr-Don't you know that Tweed was
the chairman Of the Municipal Committee OF the
Senate, 10 wnom tue bill was referredr
MI. Nolan-No, sir.
Mr.. waehner-Didn't you speak to senator
Dreamer In 1917
MT. Nolan-I believe did.
Mr.. Waehner-Wnat did you tell him?
Mr.. Nolan-l don't remember; suppose l called
his attention TO the resolution oil the Board or
Emigration.
Mr.. Waenner-Did you have conversation with
any Senator about I'll
Mr.. Nolan-No, sir.
Mr.. waenner-Did you speak TO A. D. Barber
about itS
Mr.. Nolan I'm a tone of tremendous amaze.
menn-Oh, no, sir
Mr.. Waehner reading from the Legislative
Journal 1t appears that the BILL as IL cane to
the Senate on April 9, was read three times, &C
A1airs OF which Tweed was CHAIRMAN, and on
the same day Tweea reported The Dill, recon-
committee having taken place. On the 10th 1t
was reported complete by the "Grindlng Com
mIttee" OF nine, OF which Tweed was chairman,
ana on the l2tn IL was unanimously passed ny
the Senate.
Mr.. McGure Gentlemen OF the press, hope
you WILL not state that this reform bill was en-
ginee1ed by Alexander Frear IN the House and by
Tweed In the Senate. Ii might throw discredit
upon the ''rc:orm" movement (Laughterl
A conversation ensued between the members of
the committee about the remarkably quick pas
sage oil the BILL ana Mr.. MCGUIRE remarked seri-
ously, "It's quite evident that 1t was measure
OF the Ring It's all nonsense TO speak about your
services as couuseLn He then said TO the wit
ness, 81 think you ought TO answer the questions
about your 0ank account. The committee Is
determined TO have your answers, ana think we
have as mucn backbone as you have.n
Mr.. Nolan-Thars all right. I'll take my
chances.
QUICK TRANSIT IN ALBANY.
Mr.. Alvoru-l beg the reporters to notice that
the bill was introduced In the Assembly on the
6th and sent To the Governor on the 18TH.
Mr. N0lan--pd like to state that never spoke
to any member Of the Legslature OF 1871 priYatelY