New-York tribune., 1875-07-01
The Herdtdf A. did yes II the next day, think
g. You had . conversation with him about 1T A.

"A
e You had conversation wtA him about A.
q. Please state the conversation
MI Logan objected to this question the ground that
II nadmissble to prove things against the defendant
by his declarations Judge Riley decided to take the
testimony, under objection.
BY M. snell-I ask what was tho conversation you
had with Loader this matteri A. 1t was the first
statement OF the reporter, aud asked him what he
thought OF the prospect OF being witness In the Beechcr
he said he did not think he would he called upon To
testify; must say your Honor do not recall the CON
yersaton verbatim; then asked him abont the state
there truth in IT, but good deal OF exaggera
ton as usual in such statements he said that the state
mcnt IN regard TO the kissing between Mrs Ilton and
Mr. Bcccher was correct; that the other was exag-
gerated he informed me that he went into tho room as
described in his statement and In coming out saw Mt
Beccher and Mrs TtOn but did not notice anything un-
usual Their attitude he say nothing al all out p OF sse .e
there was nothing further that rcca he left the car
@ Where did this conversation occuri A. On q Fulton
ave car 49,
Of limbs, anything OF that kindl A. Nothing of the
kind.
@ How long have you known Mr.. Loaderi A. I sup
pose two years; don't know exactly. ~ ,,o.
Q In this conversation was the name OF Mr. frice
The witness was cxamined, but nothing OF I'M
portanco elected. Henry Rasquin and George W.
Knaebel Clerks OF the County Court were called 70
identify the adavts IN the case ana certly az 10 e
of the Beecher and upon other points neccs
sary establish the legal proof but not OF public inter
est, throwing light the conspiracy. Joseph NJ.
Pearsall also called for tho same purpose but not
being present ii decided after consultation between
Judge Riley and the lawyers TO adjourn the case 10 ts
morning at $50 o'clock Loader was Iemandcd 10 Gus
tody. Accompanied by the officer he went to his store
and made certain from his books for use In his de-
fense md then taken back to Raymond Street jail
L0ADER's VERSION OF THE STORY AS TOLD YEARS
AGO.
Mr Loader having as stated, made the assertion that
he told his story several years ago to paper hanger ny
the name of William Hamilton, now residing at NO SJ|
Dean st, BROOKLYN a reporter OF TIE TRIBUNE called
upon Mr. Hamilton yesterday, to obtain his version OF
the matter He stated that he had not ye; been sub
penaed in the against Loader, as published, pnt
supposed he would be- and therefore he preferred saying
nothing further about what Loader had said TO ,m until
he should say 1t the witness stand. He afterwaId
added however that anything he knew about the case
against Mr.. Beecher could not be used by any means
ipjuriously against any ole. "From what Loader
said to me, / know" he said, THAT Ee did
not have very good opinion Of MI Beecher, but nave
been Jogging my brain recently aud / caDnot recocc
that he said anything about seeing Beecher and Mrs
Tilton together until last sr1nE what ne tem sui -
am 10 be called witness but 1t was nothing that
could taken evidence Of the guilt Of the persons
nechbors II whom they Happen have poor opinion,
much of which might better 20 Lnsd; bu he never ae-
tailed anything to me that cOud be construct h any
way indicating cTlmnality | cannot understand
why they wish 10 subpoena me- as really Know hotne
of importance to the case nave never Hel tou An one
what Loader said 10 the most that nave sald Deg
that knew person who pretended 10 KNOW a Elcdt
deal about Mr. Bcechcr and Mrs IltOn Loader charged
me with having misused the confidence he had given me
by telling the story Judge MoIIs which has been pub
lishcd. | was, therefore, induced 10 go down 10 MT
Moris's ore and. in the Of Loader asked im
il had told him ay thing about Morris replied tha
had not that he only sorry HAD not told nm III
for him 10 II evidence; and II now turns OUT
that Mr. Dana was the who communicated the story
to him. While in the office did say that Loader hal
said something about what he had seen IN Mrs.
TutOns house, but gave detailed statement Of what
that was, and repeat, Loader has never told me any
thing that could be taken implying cilmnalt! on l1e
part of either Mr.. Beecher or Mrs. inton"