New-York tribune., 1875-02-02

will hold your mind oen % the discussion Of the question Of
what constituted CONFIDENTIAL communication between h1s
baud and wife o which me- her speak and What cr'm
stances modify that communication, -o that hc may disclose To-
and RI.. 4c - u statutory Jaws a. tile day upon that
| subject
8ir Egar..-.rr Honor f be good oniaeh 70 note my cx.
exception 20 amy evidence ts subject The question -
proper enough question "a 10, FORM Ny objection however ia
advance of testimony any evidence on the part o ibis wifi
n 20 thi, general question tia, may contain
statement VI amy confidential communication from Dis "ie
although may nave been communicated TO Nj Be,cAcr.
juice Ne.l.on-Ye- will note your exception
Nj Er4.--I want raise That p1L. VI lg and v. 'Se
an exception ol Honor las decided 10: TO exclude the o.
| ,imony
Mr. Flr-on-I tlas Tho question al 1ot arise IN 'he ez-
| animation 4 t-.- witness al all.
TIE FIRST HOSTILE MEETING At NoULTOE'.
Mr. Fu.eron-Now go ON and state what oc-
CURED between youraf and Henry Wand Beccher on The
eyeu- of Tie s,-t December l-o 20 Mr. M5uons house
A. Nj Molou brought Mr. Boe,er TO the door bowed TO me
and -aI m,e brought Mr B.cct.r your request NJ
M1e.ou tnal rr.d closing ;at .or behind hi- did not
salute A B.el,r mc II. crossed The room and took
au easy chair y tine window crossed the room n tAe other
direction wen, ~ e door, locked r. took out the key ana l'
u a my poc..L then rccros-c4 the room' and
-4t .a chair opposite 90 3lr Bc.ll.r The conversation
uat took place cannot uIj i-1e % repeat lccu1s y.
THAT 90 say Nu POD, attempt % give hc worI- except az
certain points, 1rcaI-, H4t "- -l. NI7 "o- J SAID oy -Ic'
.Ld have uo special -lfa rc4'u-Wor- oa. better ciI
what lc said I4ln what -ll began. as r.,ar some
vaa. n This va-I think am entirely accurate - To- Ac fret
words spoken a.l they were ,e. -i. u presume, Sir,
4. yaa received from few days ago through NJ Bowen,
letter VI lall..-s sg. retirement iou goas pulpit lal from
Ie,-ror g. a.r. IIc said. DID," then said to- him:
-rc o el ga here toni-4. u order 20 -ay 70 you that
yol may cal-i at et,er ruFr'. Ius n-ho," OUT
H. loa-, u -.uc." Tie .a said 1 me. 1o"in- A head:
tla.r. Inp.t t1tIa " Your -lau- should nor -' 10
me- 1ut 70 Elizabeth T., iu 4sr behalf chat hold tL.- in-
er,iev and whatever shall mere do IN consequence II
this meeting Tor your sake nor for my ae, but Tor her
sake" tlcu a-tod him whether VI Mouon had shown TO
/ t.u .-a-.n.u. which Elizabeth had e-i,,.u-
li. E.-,,o If your Honor please .tcrposc m olj,c-
zion. la tlr r. ovu statement ibis vt- au iaie-' "
aeI i tlc confidence " Ae wife lLl 10 Ac. behalf aud be
| c.auo. avoid a.
JlU-. E..l-.u-Tlae ar' exception.
g4e " ue.--Le .a.I tome that 81. Naa'-an had shown
him statement en ... Do gol na' 'I.. understand
ae oo.c, .f -- interview. y lo' said Ac. 10 general
| terms" ..eu replied. "Y.u should under trld N more
specifically IuIl 9..G 1 soaa -..a,a 81 which Elizabeth
la- made Ne Mou.an has Tie original. have copy "l
rad yog tte copy" chem pU. ny hand into my pocket
took ont qaper- aut vc searching f.r ae copy which
bad made Of Mrs. Toa- paper he said 90 me: Before rd-
- t.at Ticolar A sou voud e mo what Mr. Bowen las
be1 ,ayg, against ue' replied 10 him tat it no' sum
uoll AiI ,3 e interview ior te pIpoe VI discussing WIN
him M. BoE.u- affair bur that be- -lo4d 9. Mr. Bowen
himself Neyer.c.-s a- lc eel kDG tlc question. would
av -hlt NJ Bowen. an interview "tu me on The preceding
day had made -tg.u. t.a. Ioa have been guilty " a..
es with numerous members - your congregation since
your MiauII pI-tor. al down through tne-c - years.
llt you lo a.. SUI. l4n 3 dwell . Christian community:
ta. suov- where y1l are Ap"r.cked ie
happlc-- o DA-tau l0mc thl, he determined au shall no
IouereG, Tis Ntt Ji1a, that you shall no longer speak 10
Plymouth Church and 4c -ay, distinctly that VIOLIN the
fold and 4t You should De exrpatei Mr. Beecher said 10
wa matter u amazement him that Mr Bowen should have
go spoken. For hc -ld "Nhen Mr Bowen delivered o. me
your letter demanding my retirement from the pulpit be ap
peled Dee friendly and he offered ne his friendly services 10
tAe matter" then said 20 him thar had joined with NJ.
Bowen the beginning u the week in making that demand
upon him TO retire. that had that letter az Mr.
Boven suggestion that Mr Bowen had requested ha, such
letter should DE written and had said that the reason why nc
could write Ameli that in the preceding February
that s February. ls,O-hc Bowen had had reconciliation
with Nj BecAar, and that Mr. Beecher had begged hi-
pardon and had bent himself the 1oor and "cpt and
Mr Bowen had freely granted him forgiveness for the crimes
which be had committed and that Mr. Bowen said in view Of
having granted that forgiveness ne could not initiate proceed
ns against Mr. Bcecher but that II would initiate them by
sending such challenge he lBowen would sustain That de-
mand in the Of morality and religion expel Ar
eecher from his pulpit and from the city That he furthermore
had that (Bowen mad IN his any time 10 drive
Nj Beecher of Brooklyn within twelve hours Mr. Beecher
agan spoke of hs aston hmen that M Bowen should nave
sd such things TO hm-or Monday and then nave
expressed himself friendly way, as Mr Beccher described
H. On the occasion Of delivering him the letter le
told Mr. eecher that after had had this interview with Mr.
Bowen had narrated the substance Of il 70 my WIFE that my
wife wa ILL., and that intelligence Ged her with profound
distress and thar she had instantly said that it
violation Of my pledge and promise TO her made IN the pre-
ceding Sumner would never do the Rev Henry Ward
Beecher any HARM assist in any exposure OF his
secret to the public. She said 10 me- II Mr. Bowen makes
war upon Nj Beecher and you that is, myself Join in
it, and il Mr Beecher from his pulpit as he must under
such an attack everybody w later know the reason
Why and that said she TO me, will be to my shame and 10
| the chndren's shame and cannot endure it,
Nj E,arts-NOw II your Honor please this indicates the
nature Of the communication concerning which my objection
applies am understood Of obJeetng distinctly to
! every branch Of Ibis.
! M Fullerton-Of course
The Winess-Mr Beecher then a.ked what meant by
speaking in that way Elizabeth and her shame then
read TO him the copy Ttons confesona copy which
had made early part Of the evening" the original Of
which was in Mr Mouton possession.
| U What did you read TO him:
| Mr. Eyarts-The paper.
Mr FuertonWherc that paper' A. That paper has been
destroyed
Q. When wa. Il destroyed: \ II was destroyed by Mrs
| Tlons own hand.
q Tie copy yoa took Imean; A. The copy destroyed
that evening during the interview.
| q During the interview A. Yes, Sir.
| O Ia Mr Beechcrs presences A. Yes, Sir.
q Now orginalY A. The Original destroyed TWO
years later by Mrs. Tiion in my presence.
q Is that that Mr. Aoultoa speaks Of IN lis est
| monyf A. Yes Sir.
o Destroyed Immediately after the "parile agreement
was sgrli A. Ycs Sir aflershe trpaHte agreemeHt was
signed Al Mr. Mogtoas house.
Y That IS M MoGon spoke Of AZ having been de
stIoyed al thai tiEnei A. Yes, Sir.