New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-03-16

About the first OF January WITHIN nFe VI e'su' oaJS
1872 Mr. Tton- ...... ... ...l'
O. 49,
Mr. Beao,-Wait one momentl Let him go
The witness-It after the Presidential election in ls2
That would be In 1873 II was after the Presidential election
Mr. Tton came into my private Office and says TO me- Schultz
understand YOU CHARGE publicly with being ablackmaier"
Saws 20 him "who says sou Frank Carpenter tells
So" "wha else did he tell your" lie told me that he had
n. n,oyie with you and gentlemen at the Club In
card 10 matter in which you made those charges against
After some further conversation became satisfied that he
knew
Mr. Beach-wat moment
Mr. Morrs-Never mind
Judge Neilson-Only give the conversation Mr. Schultz.
The witness-I admitted to him that I had made that
charge and then repeated him with pirtcularty-
Mr. Beach-Wa one moment; wait ono moment tell what
you said.
The witnoss-I am going to, Sir.
Mr. Tracy-Hc is doing
Mr. Beach-No, he is not
The winess- repeated him with much particularly
as could recoect what occurred with these gentlemen
which induced me to make that
Mr. Morrs-Now, object to that.
Mr. Eyars-He has right what he stated TO him
well as he could the conversation that he had had
Jaiee Neison-That is preliminary matter merely Now go
The WnessDo you want me to state the conversation we
habitat had with Titon or
O. With Tlton What did you repeat to Mr. Ton as hay
ing ranpred this interview with you and other gentlemen
and Mr. CARPENTER! A. told Mr. Tilton that Mr. Carpenter
met at Union League Club and said to methat the friends
of Mr. Beeoer Tton in Brooklyn about TO take
some action In regard their NATTER which somewhat OF
public character and desired to meet two gentlemen,
inc them on the following evening the Club representing
our behalf friends OF those gentlemen In New York to con-
suit in regard to this told him that did meet
and we had very long conyersationdo you wish me oje
thatf
O. Yes 20 right and repeat everything said to himf
Mr. Beach, Everything you said TO Mr. Tilton.
Mr. Tracy-Yes Sir.
The witness told this to Mr. Ton in justification Of my
course
Judge Neison-Yes
Mr. Bcach-Yes
The WnessI said to Mr. Tlton that Mr. Moulton opened
the question Club somewhat In this You under
stand gentlemen suppose that there scandal in Brooklyn
in regard to Mr.. Beechcr--
@ Do YOU mean Mr. Moutonf You said Mouon
The Wtness-Did say Mr. Moulton-Mr Carpenter-I beg
your pardon.
Mr. Mouon-CWho presently thank you.
The Witness says: There IS scandal in Brooklyn In
regard to Mr. which probably will take him out OF tho
pulpit His friends and the friends OF the pares-ha was
the word think sad-he friends Of the parties have con-
cuded that the best way to get over this difficulty Is TO start
morning paper New York for the purpose OF settling this
whole trouble He then stated what the plan was that Mr.
Beecher TO be editor
@. Mr. Deecher, you stated?
The Wtness-I was stating TO Mr. Tton what said to Mr.
Moulton- Carpcntcr-I be- your pardon again.
Mr. Mouton-I grant it.
Mr. Beach, think Mr. Monitor had better get out OF sight
Mr. Mouton-Out of mind, think
The Wtness-I cannot pretend to state that repeat every
thing said at this conversation but tried to explain
TO Mr. Ton by way apology for what stated to him. the
under which It, very fully
to him. and don't think 1t Is hardly necessary for 60
it again
Mr. Tracy-Ob, yes; we have not had II yet.
Judge Neson-Now, you said to Mr. Tilton whatr A. said
Mr. Tton "Those gentlemen claiming TO represent you,
said you abroad TO be the foreign correspondent
and that you and Mr. Bowen had certain your
keepng-n the keeping of those gentlemen which would II
exposed do him great damage and that they disposed to
suppress whole thing II this arrangement could be carried
into effect" said him: Now, that being true OF course
could other conclusion than that you black
mailer You had in your keeping paper which in itself
you could destroy but failing do that you wanted
ton" lie then said to during that interview that Mr. Car
penter had no right TO send him to Europe
O. Well 90 on A. We had a very lengthy dis
cussion the question whether | was justified,
under the circumstances, in calling him
backmailer Mr. Isaac Galley called in by his suggcs
argument and to decide between whether
was justified or not Mr. Bailey was called in and we
repeated the whole thing over agarepcated as much as
could the conversation and somewhatcued IT, and Mr. Bailey
decided that right that there could be other conclu
O. What stated why 1t blackmaing job
A. Why that gentlemen had in their keeping
which they proposed get-as understood themto
get paper aoat and when 1t anoa Of Them
least wins be employed upon IT, in indirect way
O. Anything said about Mr. Carpenter having
that paper being connected with tr A. Mr. Carpenter
told me
O. No; any conversation with Mr. Tilton,
Mr. Eyarts-Giye the whole conversation
The WtnessThe whole conversation had relation to Mr.
Tlton.
Mr. Beach-Tell what you said to Mr. TItons A. In the
conversation repeated the whole circumstances Mr. Car
penter placed himself As
Mr. Beach, don't think this is correct
Mr. Tracy-That is the way he told it to Mr.. Tilton
Mr. Beach-He said he todd the whole circumstances and
then proceeded state what he told Mr. Ton Mr. CARPENTER
said 10 him.
Mr. Rvarts-what circumstances did he repeats
The Wness-I stated all these circumstances TO Mr. Ton
/ stated the OCCASION
Mr. Beach, object to this general statement the witness
that he stated everything to Mr.. Titon
O. What did you state Mr. Ton about M Carpenter in
connection with the paper' A. stated to Mr. Ton that Mr.
Carpenter had provided himself with place On the business
department and also Mr. johnson
Mr. Eyars-What Johnson
Mr. Beach-Oliver johnson.
The Wness-Mr Oliver johnson. He mentioned Mr. Oliver
johnson gentleman he thought could be induced to go
into the enterprise.
O. In what enterprises A. He was to be connected with
the business department
O. Oliver to be connected with the business de-
parment2 A. That was s I understood It
O And Mr. Beecher the editor : A. The editorin-chef.
O And Mr. Tlton foreign correspondent A. Foreign
respondent.
O. Was there anything said about how long Mr. TOn was
70 remain abroad A. think 1t placed several years
cannot ecoect many years 1t several he
10 he abroad This OF the considerations that 1t
yas to change the and relieve his mind.
O. Whose mind A. Mr.. Tilton's.
AN AVALANCHE OF QUESTIONS.
O. Now, what did you say to Mr. Tilton, if any
,sio e, dd Won reneat to Mr. Tton that Mr. Carutlter