New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-05-01
GEN. TRACY ADVISES MRS. MOULTON ABOUT
MIR TILTON.


q. You have been asked i'll regard to con-
yersatom with Mrs MOultOn, after the Bacon letter and
prior 10 a principal conversation that had been prev
ousy made the subject OF inquiry from you and OF an
swcrs and you have been asked respecting that earlier
Interview but after the Bacon letter. whether you al
vsed Mrs Moulton to kick Tton out OF the house. ana
destroy the papers, they will destroy you ~ A. dd
not understand the question so. Mr.. Evars under
that related to interview on the night OF the
10th of August addressing Mr.. Beach Am mistaken
about that
Mr. Beacll-No you are right.
The witncss-I think you under Misrepresentation
MI Evarts.
Mr. Evarts-I made memorandum OF this
The witness-I think is misapprehension, however,
nevertheless.
Mr. Evarts-It may be that the advice "a to kicking
TiIton out was the 10th of August.
Judge NeilsonI suggest that you form your question
with regard 10 the interview referred TO- the datc ho
being perhaps material
Mr. Evarts-Yes, but the date was not given and 1t
was earlier than the 10th Of August understood it,
O. Now will you state whether there any earlier
Interview with Mrs. Mouton-earlicr than the lOth OF
August and after the Bacon letteri A. There were in
terviews with Mrs. MOuton.
O. Several that you have mentionedi A. several
there is none which mprcsses itself upon my memory
that have stated II separately from all others except
this one on the night Of the 10th of August
O. Well at those previous interviews with Mrs. Moul
ton had anything been said by about kicking Tilton
out Of the housei A. No such language as that Sir,
or substances not OF kicking-no, Sir; Mrs Moutoh
Expressed her opinion to me
Mr. Beach-wait moment
The witness tCoutinungl-And perhaps assented TO
1t do not know.
Mr. Evarts-Now what in that nature. on that sub
ject was said a; any such interview
Mr. Beacl-That object to- Sir.
Judge Neilson-I think you must take it, II the word
kicking" was not used expression akin to it may
have been used and Is right that the witness should
state IL.
Mr. Evarts-Probaby the word kick" was used in
moral sense. lIaughterI
Mr. Beach-My objection is that any inquiries which
address TO the witness that subject do not give them
the right on the other side open the conversation
That perhaps. would be proper If we put Mrs Mouiton
on tho stand contradict the witness Non consdf we
may do that may leave II as the witness has left It,
Judge Understanding that to be so, you put to the
witness ccar-cut definite questions, embracing certain
Inquiries a. expressions which he said he did not use
4, ia possbe that he may have used words which in
sense akin 20 those and he has the right 10 give them
MFR Eyarts-No doubt the word " kick was used in a
meanhorcal sense 1t woud do TO suggest to lady
that she should kick gentleman out.
Mr. Pryor-It might, where one else was to do the
kicking
Mr. Eyarts-Did you ever know it TO happen, Mr..
Pryorf
Judge Ne son-An your kicking has boon intellectual
MFR Eyarts-I suppose OF course the meaning OF kick
ing out of house metaphorca expression. ITO
the witnessl Well, MIR. Tracy, understand you can
answer.
The witness-Repeat your question. then Mr.. Evarts
O. What was said by you OF any such connection i'm
port n anythngi A. Well don't recall any particular
expression which would be kicking" or the import OF
kicking: :" | only know that Mrs. MOultOn-
Mr.. Beach-Oh! well wait, waltz
The witncss-Ah
MIR Eyarts-Well did anything occur between you and
Mrs Mouton as the desirabity of her being rid Of
Mr. Tilton in the house A. l think there has been
conversation on that subject
Mr.. BeacI-One moment.
Mr. Evsrts-There has been a conversation that sub
eett A. Yes Sir.
Mr. Bcach-well, object TO II.
Mr. Eyarts-I think we have right 10 that.
Judge Neilson-I think that is as far you can go.
Mr. Beach, put the question TO the witness as to
whether any such expression that, or In substance
that was used Now coneede that the witness, upon
the by the counsel answer the question
whether any phrase remark of that substance or char
,ctr was used but 10 give the language that was EN-
Moved I'm that conversation, that 49, 10 give the
conversation itself, any portion OF IL,
snhmit 10 your Honor Is not, In THIS stage OF
the examination, open. 1t may be, IN case we
shall choose 10 put Mrs. Moulton upon the
stand In opposition the testimony OF MI Iracy ana
seems 10 me utterly useless 10 pursue that III
ouiry and get a conversation between Mrs M0uiton
and this gentleman in evidence in this case. when Mrs
action. $4,000,
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