The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-03-13

Mr.. Johnson about going on the christian U,ton
had not mentioned the matter TO Mr. Beecheri
Tilton had nothing TO do with the appointment OF
Oliver Johnson on the Christian Union.
Mr.. Evarts here saia that they now proposed to
show some actual facts in regard TO the appoint
ment OF oliver Johnson on the Union.
Alter the Judge had stated how much evidence
OF such nature he would allow, Mr. Hill proceeded
with the examination.
WttneSs-lhe only motive 1 had in suggesting
Mr.. Johnson Tor editor was to have competent
person In the management; in the arrangements
partite agreement, did my part by writing out
the document; furnished It to the press am
not aware that Mr.. Beecher knew anything about
the publication OF the paper.
CROSS EXAMINATION.
Mr.. Beach then commenced he cross-examina.
tlon, and witness stated:- have given the Ian.
guage Of the conversation at the different inter.
views as closely as can recoliect; have given
guage In effect; distinctly recollect continuing
them both; recollect about all OF the precise
tween them; pretty nearly ali the eonversstion
was given In the exact language and as closely as
q HS IN. cS %ho. oe reported
not discriminate between the two;I could give
the precise words here and there. as In the In.
stance where Mr.. Tilton said these words, 81 will
never sign ANYTHING that will prohibit me from pur.
suing Henry Ward Beecher," and again when he
Beccher is we'll taken care 0l by you, and there
nobody TO take care OF me-. ! am lett out in the
cold and my money Is not to be paid.n
The Court here took recess until two O'Clock.
AFTER RECESS.
AT q quarter past two O'Clock the crosse xamin-
alton Of Samuel wkeson was resumed by MI.
Beach. The witness said -
AS lar as recoect on cross-examnation gave
the precise language ol Mr.. Titon; 1t is exceed
ingly difficult for me to repeat twice in the same
language the same conversation; | attribute any
variation 70 the narration OF the conversation to
the lnfrmtty OF human memory; where l have
given conversations have given them according
70 the best OF my belief under oath; | may nave
omitted lmmaterial words, but do not vary the
idea; did make memorandum OF one Of my
conversations with MIR. Tilton; IT is written
ana Il; any DO reoo paec1's some M of t sae
phases OF that memorandum; do not recoect
any part Of the concluding words OF the memo.
randum; IL was made on halt sheet OF f0olscap;
" covers the whole page and was made ten min.
utes after MIR. Triton lett my once; felt that this
matter was going to drlit Into great judicial con-
test, ana therefore made the memorandum; he
told me that he wanted his portion the tripar-
that Mr.. Claim and Mr.. Beecner would be taken
care or that he was not going to be paid the
lett out 10 the cold. and that he was not going
TO sign any paper that would prevent him from
pursuing Henry He Ward Beecner; then handed hum
had not then heard that arbitrators had been
appointed ana the award made; Mr.. niton told
and the suit must go
O. understand you to say you made this mem
DRIFT into judicial contest. A. Yes, did not lear
1t; indeed, desired It,
Q: What matter did you feel would drift into =
judicial con test ? A. Inc movement that Tllton
had organized against Henry Ward Beecher-
q Excuse me: Mr.: Frotnngham. (Laugnter.l
Mr.. Evarts-That is an answer.
Wltness-The charges that were made by Tilton
and Bowen against Mr.. Beecher to drive him from
his pulpit in Brooklyn.
Q. How did you understand that the charges
against Mr.. Beecher would become the subject OF
judicial investigations A. thought time would
come when MI. Beecher a nd his friends would get
tired OF paying money to the Golden Age LOT the
purpose OF preventing a scandal against the
GREATEST PREACHER AND THE GREATEST MAN IN
THE WORLD.
Great laughter) am lawyer; have practised
as lawyer when was young; Mr. Tllton sno wed
me- an article that he threatened to publish IN the
GO,den Age. and though he did not solicit me for
money that put the screws TO me and Tllton got the
money tnat evening paper handed to wiIness) +;
that is like the paper Mr.. Tllton showed me 1t was
THE PERSONAL STATEMENT
mr r rooT ann v"ru ~ an emo M ~ was
(Great laugnter.]
MIR. Beach told the witness That this was an I'M.
pardonable statement. and begged MIN not to re-
peat 1t.
Q. Did the paper shown to you contain any ale
to the relations between Mr. Beecner and Mr.. Til
ton? A. No, l think 1t referred to the charges
been no Communication between me ana Mr.. Til
ton regarding the publication OF any paper Qet-
ter HANDED to witness) tnat letter Is In my hand
writing.
Counsel read the letter In which the witness,
among other expressions, used the words, "Don't
Q. In using the words Don't publish, . what did
you refer to? A. referred TO reports that Tlton
was going to pu ollsh charges against Mr.. Beecher
! can't say when l heard about these charges; /
cannot say from whom heard about them.
q. Have you now any recollection that prior to
to publish those charges against Henry Ward
Beecnerr A. No; am memoer or the firm OF
the f frst Volume Of the Life Of CHRIST the seo
ond Is not published; am married to a sister of
Mrs. E. Cady Stanton; sac is woman Of extraor-
Stanton SAID to me, on one occasion, that II these
charges against MIR. Beecher prove true
Counsel interrupted the witness.
q, Did you say thing that occasion to the
effect that II those charges were made against
wanted MIN to give proof OF the statement that
Mr. Beecher committed adultery with his wife; l
that Mr.. Beecher had committed adultery with
Mrs. Tllton; That Miss Anthony bad SAID TO me
that MRS. Hilton had comics ed TINS offence; Mr.,
TiltOn said that, as to Miss Anthony, she was
MORBID OLD MAID,
whose sexual desires mad bred this thing In her
Imagination, and that as to Mrs. stanton. he was
surprised that she woman OF such great inteli-
gence, had ever made use oil such language; Mr..
Tilton further said that he had no charge to make
against Mr.. Beecher but that OF improper language
to his wlIe, and that for That he held most ample
written apology.
Mr.. Beach read letter from the witness in
which he spoke OF the charges or Improper ad-
vances" being made against Mr.. Beecher. the
that expression; Miss Anthony has Tor years
crossed the orbit oil my domestic life; beIeve
Sy ne WITH s ssnto essp the
Revolution; I never got further tnan the
outer circle OF that society 1t was not
my unfortunate privilege to get into 1t;
think there was no arrangement between me and
Mr.. TitOn as 10 the trlpartlte agreement before
its publication there was no communication be-
tween me and Mr.. Cleveland on the subject of the
tripartlte agreement alter gave 1t out or publi-
cation; cannot answer that before 1t was actu-
ally published there was no communication be-
tween me and Mr. Cleveland.
Q. Are you quite certain tnat you had the
paper your pos sesslon before 1t was published
A. Yes; 1t was in my safe for months; 1t was either
a draft or copy, cannot say whicn; think, but
l am not certain, that 1t only referred to the
Bowen and Iiton part; do not think published
Mr.. Beecher's part; did not uosh the personal
statement.
@. Tax your recollection, and state what the
paper was you had in your sae-whether 1t was a
perfect duplicate OF the tripartite letter A. l
cannot Say.
@. When the personal statement was submit tied
to you by MIR. Tllton did you read its A. Yes;
spoke to Mr.. Titon OF the mischief OF the publica-
ton | said that thought Mr.. Beecher ought TO
be protected against the publication or
OUTRAGEOUS SANDERS
which were utterly incapable OF proof before any
jury IN the world; have been a believer In MIR.
Beecner's innocence from the first; discussions
have taken place In regard to the charges against