The New York herald., 1875-12-16

I IWuTCn UOIIfICaT "
i such interference II Bishop Haven who Is good
man. with The best motives, but very radical, has done
you say depend upon il ho VIII not DC supported
NOr A POLITICAL CHURCH
The Rev Thomas A. Fernley, Of the Paul street
church Frnkford very earnest in regretting the
action of Bishop Haven. lie said;-"Ihe Methodist
Church is not political Church, and the conduct Of
anv bshop or officer Of our denomination who brings
/ such matter before "A Church gathering Who en-
dcavors IA any way associate Church, with
any political movement regard very indscreet and
unfortunate. exceedingly regret what has happened,
and am most ANXIOUS "a the people Of this
country outside Of Church-ii thsy do not know u
alrcady-that Mcthodists VIII not indorse any such
policy ln what Bishop Haven SAID he most assuredly
did not act as the voice ol any party IN our Church
On the contrary, every Methodist whom / have talked
with dlsavows and dcprecatcs such course No; do
not lhink the Bishops conduct means any
thing but the expression Of his own wishes.
The preachers meetings (bciore one Of which
his speech given unofficial bodies They
are not recognized in the discipline OF Church At
them the clergy come together solely rs individuals
not the representatives their respective charges
and whatever they may do carries no official weight
Our Church would be the last 10 give its official sane
tion 10 any nomination for political office. In what
have said think you VIII nd that am supported by
the opinions OF others The Bishops conduct was un-
wise"
coNTRA ADDICTION
The Rev. s W. Thomas, Presiding Elder Of tho Sus-
quehanna district OF Pennsy ylyania, said emphat-
ealy ~ deny the thing sir, IN toto Bishop Haven
has been incorrectly cptesented Did not you see Dir.
Nincents cardy The Bishop never nominated Grant
fora third term He was speaking Of the condition Of
the South, and may have expressed his desire TO
him reelected but do not believe he went SO Tar as
TO nominate hiin"
The HERALD correspondent ventured to remind the
Elder that the published proceedings OF the meeting IN
the Boston papers not only gave the Bishops words
in which he bcsought his brethren 10 pray Tor Grant,
denomination but also reported resolution advocating
athrd term which was declared to have passed unan
mously.
We'll II isn't true Mr. Vincents card explains
what was done at the meeting. The resolution that
WAS passed was one merely thanking the Bishop Tor
his address The HERALD has done an injustice 10
Bishop Simpson in reporting him as expressing hope
Tor tulru term. III tley quoted from Pnlluuepnla
paper you know what the character OF that paper s
No. the meeting OF ministers was represen ntatve
body They had no status except individuals. They
would have right to discuss the third term question:
nor any other political matter. preachers meeting,
al which this action said to have been taken not
recognized III the discipline of the Church II is not
representative body, and when preachers attend it they
do SO rs individuals"
WHOM HE REPRESENTED
The Rev O. +. Turner, Presiding Elder OF the South
Philadelphia district upon being asked what the Bos-
Ton meeting meant ana whom he thought Bishop ha-
represented IN his action, said smiling he
represented Bishop Haven. We a know the Bishop.
He mprudently uterance his political opinions
the wrong time and place That's about all the sig
nihcance there is in the matter"
mot WORTH ATTENTION"
Rev John Walker Jackson. d. d., OF the Ebenezer
church, thought that the worth the at
enton that was being given to IT, He did not see why
the newspapers should raise such a commotion about
what Bishop Haven is reported to have said at tho
Boston preachers meeting
Suppose "a Catholic priest had said t?n inquringly
and mildly suggested the ''intervcwern
well don't see how there could be much more OF
an excitement than there is now. But there IS nothing
in the story Dr. Vncents card in the Tribune contra
diets the thngn DR.. jackson said however, that IL
the Bishop did reported he acted improperly and
certainly did not represent his Church.
OBLIGED TO DIsAPPRovE
The Rev. w. e. Robinson did not wish TO say much
on the matter He heard what Dr. Jackson had said,
however, and was of tine same way OF thinking Meth
odists opposed to mixing church and politics and
he did not see how the Bishop could expect any sym
pathy support. This gentleman like several with
whom the writer spoke hardly seemed to aware OF
the Importance the question the Bishops move has
raised and OF the consequent excitement AMI alarm in
the world outside the Church.
SAVE
The Rev J. +. Chaplain said:-'My first thought on
reading IL was that President Grant might well cxclam,
Save me from my irendsn Ii Bsnop Haven desires
To have President Grant reelected he has taken the
very meals to prevent it. l regard speech nju-
dcious, but very characteristic OF the Bishop, who IS
IN impLlsve man.
'Does he represent any portion of the Methodist
Church in his third term Advocacy"
Certainly Lot. (EmphatcaIy) The Methodist
Church is not political Church, sir But tsmilngl
everybody knows Bishop Haven No, sir; have not
talked with very many other ministers the subject,
but have not ound one who approves OF his course
WELL WE DoN'T KNow.n
The Rev. III. H. Ssty said at first, "Well, we don't
know, but time may show the Bishop TO be right"
when the correspondent asked him his opinion of
Bishop Havens reported action. He continued at
length TO cxpatiae upon the possibilities that
might ARISE which would make II expedient to elect
Grant for third term He had voted for him. and he
would again The reverend gentleman did not to
comprehend, without considerable explanation, that
his opinion ed to the propriety of the Bish
and place When he FULLY understood this to be the
great question, Mr. Sisy conceded with his brethren
positive as theirs however AS to whether the Bishop
represented others: Well he didn't know ''but there
might be good deal behind it, There might be q very
strong party in the church who"
The reporter becoming interested.
'See here. now brother, interrupted two clergymen
standing near him, 'how do you know THAR Are you
sure ~
.'oh, no." said Mr.. slsty, deliberately. ~ only
thought that there might be -
VaD hrnh han ChAnld he afpl lxrhu
you say about it.p
',Do you approve disapprove OF Bishop Ravens
actionyn asked the reporter.
''oh disapprove. meant to say that"
JoCCLAR
/ The Rev. G. W. Macloughn thought that the whole
matter was popuariy misunderstood. u have nc
doubt said he, 'that the Bishop spoke in jocuar
manner don't think it really nomination.
Anybody that knows Bishop Haven would understand
4 the thing think the people needlessly alarmed
about It, OF course think it was wrong In HIM"
\ POLITICS THE CHURCH TOLERATED..
The Rev. I. G. Pearson expressed his TO the
same effect as hs associates. There was party in
the Methodist Church engineering the election
i Grant, or any man. he thought such thing would
not be tolerated. Methodsts would submit being
\ dictated to MS TO whom they shall vote for. Their
Church always had been iree from such Influences lie
i quoted the circumstance referred to by Dr. Hatfield,
about the candidate for the judiciary, whose election
eerng circulars were sent out with Methodist
paper scheme which nearly Killed the newspaper and
Il TIE METHODIST MINISTRY FOR GRANT
4 Rev. John Ruth, Moral Instructor in the Eastern
Penentiary, disapproycd Of the action Jt Bishop Ha
ven. As lar as ne hc spoakerl was concerned, he
, in favor OF a third term for Grant He was little
monarchical In his views, inasmuch as he believed IN
giving TO our government stability by electine
rulers Tor long terms We were shaken up By cec
lions TOO frequently He supposed that -tenhs OF
the Methodist ministry here were republicans and
4 would vote Tor Grant. But their personal opinions
were Of no consequences NO Methodist minister would
dare to Interfere IN politics, and no Methodist church
Y would submit TO such dclation.
/ The Rev NJ. ID Kurtz, OF NorrIstown Of the gen
/ eral mind He excused the Bishop however, from
wrong intention and thought that lie did not realize
what the consequences Of his act would be-
But enough has been given to show the feeling oil
Philadelphia Methodists Expressions such the
above could be multiplied by the score. Every minis.
ter whom your correspondent could lind procssed u
believe that the action Bishop Haven plucc
and There were also others who declined to
give any public expression OF their views because o
their affection Tor the churchman whose
aefion has brought this storm about his ears.
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