New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-23
object Mr. Becehcr had In view IN sending Mr. Cleveland
over after Mr. Carpenter that Sunday.

ODecI Oh WINK 5ehs ioTs YWIV-o
! Of his interview with Mr.. Bowen.
Judge Ne,son-Yon have not laid foundation for Nat
| so far as that goes.
| Mr. Morrs-Does your Honor think that that 10 not
| proper question
Judge NelsonI don't think you have laid the fcnDda
ton for conversation IN regard TO the TrparnN Cove
nant."
| Mr. Morris-I propose 10 show the fact that have
stated by this witness, AMI only show II by success
sve steps cannot show it by ssinge question.
| Judge Nelson you propose TO connect 10 with Mr.
Beecheri
Mr. Morrs-Yes, Sir.
Judge Neilson-very well; 20 on.
Mr. Mors-Now, Mr.. Cleveland, what was sa'd upon
the subject OF publication Of that Covenant between on
and Mr. Carpenter at that timei A. don't recall the
words My recollection Is that said 10 Mr. Carpen
ter it should be that Mr.. Bowen was viy1ng
the sores old stories that had been reported against
Mr.. Beccher, that then the Covenant would be pub
hshed.
O. Now what stories you referring tof A. Stories
that had been settled by the Covenant
@ What were theyi A. I do not recolect them, Dir.
O. You had never heard what they werei A. bad
heard in general terms-the scandal
O. What they in general termsi A. The scandal
O. Which scandali A. The whole scandal.
O What do you mean by the whole scandal Was there
more than one scandal A. Well, that is simply the TO
reports that had been circulated
O. Reports Of WHAT A. Affecting the character Of Mr.
Beecher.
9, In what respect A. Any.
O. And Is that definite you can be on the sobjeet'
A. That Ia as definite az I can be-
O. You have idea to any particular scandal thas
was included In that matteri A. did not know al that
time what the particulars Of the scandal were
O. You had never heardi A. had not.
O. And you had ideai A. had no idea OF the de-
tails.
O. And you entered into conversation with Mr.. Carpep
upon the scandals against Mr. Beecher without having
any knowledge whatever Of what the scandals consisted
of A. knew that there had been settlement by the
Covenant and that IL had been violated by Mr. Bowen
O. What had settled A. AL the matters between
Mr.
Q. What were all the mattcrsi
Mr. Beach-Oh, let him finish. Between whom'
The Witness-Any matters OF difference between Mr..
Bowen and Mr. Tiltou aud Mr. Beecher as understood
| it.
Mr. Morris-what mattersi A. That is all can say.
O. DO you say that you have DO idea ~ 10
! what the ISLANDERS were A. mean to say
Mt Fyars-That he has idea now, that he had at
| that conversation.
| Mr. Mors-well, had you at that conversations Am
talking about that period when you were eonversns
with Mr. Carpenter reference to the scandals that had
been settled by the Covenant had you idea then % 10
| what the SANDERS were A. had not In detail.
O. In generali A. had not in general, except that
thoy affected the character OF Mr. Beecher
O. In what respect! A. His moral character.
O. Howl A. BY being in
O. How was he invoved-his moral character; how
was it involved A. AS any mans would be who bad
| ISLANDERS in circulation against him.
O. want to lind out what those ISLANDERS were' A.
| can't tell You.
O. You had no idea AZ that time. when you con
yerspg about that A. had the idea that SANDERS were
| in circulation about Mr.. Bcccher.
| O. You had been acquainted with Mr.. Beecher bow
| many yearsf A. Fifteen
@. And had been on intimate terms with him, hadn't
| yOui A. had for five.
O. Very intimate~ennsi Had you not considerably nr-
| self sol A. l was intimate terms with him
| O. And visitor at his housed A. Twas.
| O. And You were then connected with the-you rere
| the publisher OF The Christian Unioaf A. was.
Q. OF which paper Mr.. Beecher was edtor' A. He was
| one OF them.
@. And you used TO come In contact with nm very
| frequently A. did.
| O. And used to converse with him about mattersf A.
| About matters, yes, Sir
| O. Did yom ever have any conversation with him IN
regard any these sIandersi A. Not word, ID de
tail
Q. In general A. Not in general, except on one oe-
casiOn.
O. when was that, A. The LIST day Of November, 1872.
| O. The LIST day OF Novenbert A. 1872.
| O. 1872. What scandals did you talk about fbtnf A.
| The Woodruff publication.
| Judge Nelson flo the wtnessl Beyond that, Yen
barely knew that Hr Bowen understood TO have cr-
cuated kind OF scandal unfavorabc 10 Mr. Bcec'r'
A. simply knew Sir that there reports IN The air
affecting the moral character Of Mr.. Beecher--
Judge Neilson-And ascrbed to Mr.. Bowcnt
The witness-Ascribcd 10 Mr. Bowen; and thai N
Apr 1s72 their matters settled by that Covenant
Judge Neson-Well.
| Mr. Morris-rhen YOU were referring TO the scandals
| that you understood that Mr. Bowen had circulated
against Mr. Beccleri A. do not understand your qnes
ton.
O. Then You were yctcrring in your conversation with
Mr. Carpenrr to the scandals that you understood that
Mr. Bowen had circulated against Mr. Beccherf A. That
| Is what referred to-
O. And were the names OF any ladies connected with
that scandal do moi ask for any names bur ddyo" M
de,stand them referring to Mr. Beechers relations
| immoral relations, with womeni A. did not
O. Then IL they affected his moral character. IN what
respect did they affect III A. understood you TO ash
| they related to particular persons
| O. No; my question was whether You understood that
those scandals which Mr.. Bowen had circulated related
to Mr. Beechers intercourse with womeni A. They did
| O. Immoral intercoursci A. They did
| O You were not present at that interview A. was
not
@ The Covenant was published shortly after that,
| IL mott A. IL was
| O. On the 3Oth A. On the 3Oth Of May.
| O. do You know " hat IL was published 'front.' A. 10
was published from manuscript in the hands OF Sam
Wlkcson.
O. The scandals that Mr. Bowen had circ ulated against
Mr. Beechor understand you TO say had never been the
subject OF conversation between you and Mr.. BeeeLer
prior TO thai time A. they had not, at thai time.
O. They never had referred to A. Not cxoep In
| general terms.
O. Well state how they referred Ia IN general
terms A. I understood from Mr.. Beech"r that NJ.
Bowen had circulated false reports relating 10 his mora
character
O. Was that all that said upon the subject
| A. That Is all. III substance.
O. Prior 10 the publication Of that Covenant did yen
| Mr. FAR at he