New-York tribune., 1875-07-26
THE TESTIMONY.

Guluu Williams Il GdiOn line of steamships. He
bstihcd .bat he introduced to Mr.. Nolan by Mr.
VILLAINS who said that the former desired IS cents
bea1 for every emgrant that came by their line; Mr.
Nolan paid for Lis cndeavors 70 have the head money
on the omgrants rcduced witness did not know Of any
oth,r person than Nolan employed to lobby at Albany
or the reduction Of the headmoney; when Mr. Williams
was absent in Texas, IN 1874, witness attended the
steamship conference in the interest Of the firm the wit
nees produced a statement from his Office showing that
from Arr 2e ls7i TO April l9 1872 the Liverpool and
Great western Steamship Company had paid Mr. Nolan
the sum of S6557 IS for 26,231 emgrants these pay
mems were all made by checks
Michael Nolan was next called He was exceedingly
restless while being examined and evaGed direct replies
10 some O: the questions laughed at his strike as he
termed upon the steamship companies as II IT were
good Joke and refused give any information where he
depo,tcd ms money or who shared in the spos The
more important parts Of his testimony were follows
am at present Assistant DisrietAttorney un Ter
hI Pe nave % Deen onaa was S slWars scr ~
partner Of mine my legal win INN Began IN
the Commissioners Of Emigration first came in contact
with the various steamship arents in 1870 at thai time
GARDEN prosecuted the swinders and procured SUCH
lceslaton M Albany was necessary 70 break the
aa eahns to 90 %s y e tS Of
tic after ceased ~ be conse Gen Jones
conpanes in 1870 it at that period that procured
the Icgislation have spoken OF AZ A!Oahy think
lS iaS o ,se n@an 'I Iue ts The n
Commissioners passed resolution in favor of reducing
same wear was sent 10 Albany by the steamship conpa-
me- 70 secure the passage of Law to thai effect did not
,it YIN II was John G. Dale OF the Tnnan Line com
nnnlcatcd the action Of the eofoIense to me IN ac,
albany and secured the passage OF ihe bill Dy unai
vote in both Houses thns mst Daie alone at
was held; made no arrangement with Mr. Dale at h;tt;
6tiop aft "A
nc, DC ,aed M ,n ''S head for I he iinnrans who should
n,iye ~, nrng the Following six months don't rcmen-
i..r how much money j got altogether it was
$1,000; the sum was contributed by the inman,
;fink that d Sfed the hill myself; had one
,birE il was country member bleye that appeared
before the Assembly Committee on ConiIaiee ana Nav
CATION and made short aienlnN III Ia ls bchali; ldont
trmnher speaking 10 any member Of the Committee in
rscard TO the b the bill reported to the HcIse five
Viii memhers OF the New-York delegation about the
bn. / don't re:nember talking about it with
I smoke ahout it to As-elnbymen. hut i
don't rccoiloct whom; preferred TO have it in
woull SAVIOR more OF reform don't think was in the
ihcrc was probably about two weeks between It's intro
duciiou and the time OF Its passage; hat no speaking
ior dat can rccoect the matter was being aitated
IN the newspapers at the tne and that Helped II through
n,nnt il; DO mol recollect that Mr. Hustled "a mem
Der G: the Emigration Commiss.On nor that said
=; consulted with members CT the committee
Commerce and Navigation; do not know that six out OF
rcr cot the suhect befoie The Committee know ap
peare before it rene nber distinctly sending them
sony of the rcsOlutiOn Of the Emigration Commissions
,h,,k introduced into my argument before them the
:act thai Boston had abolished headmoney and that
New-Yoik must do something 10 prevent the fOW OF
mig, alton the orner city offered no pecuniary con
.dcsnon; not one cent during all the time was AT
nesssturc; before went TO Albany talked with Dale
aboIt tie and with him only 10 minutes while at
1 /
Irslsia,ure about the bill think talked with Mr. Hus
The Clairrnan-Mr Nolan. please consider your re-
Plies little more before answering II Is only few
ssid untsnr about the bill to Mr Hus:cd
Wjtncss-l may have been mistaken; all that can say
had been introduced came back TO New-York on just
one was e 3 i II % sna5gs n se at 4Sany am IN mot no,
Whole il Is necessary TO have some one prepared 20 take
charge Of know s Te c e ~ see aoG% %o bc h ew
n Z along; with all due respect for the Committee de-
% TO state where deposited the money; not ono cent
o. went TO any lobbyist; relied upon the newspapers
nad The resolution OF the Board OF Emigration 10 carry
t.nI il would nave passed without the compact,
understood il, did not run fifteen months; may De
anr lie rst Arrangement but think il was only six
months something more may nave been paid under the
in received my percentage On the number
Of immigrants she carried s,togeter may haVe & so
tlat; it was certainly very excellent strike
ported 10 the of the Whole, passed 10
hd reading and the newspapers reported the fact the
bill passed largely on its OWN merits II there any
Yaucr silned enbodylng agreement have destroyed
II Nr Williams Of Williams Guon never paid me any
Sns Ws %n an ass @ mt signed s "
inuch use would place more confidence in the word OF
the steamship agents than IN paper document.
The companies again employed me during the following
Winter; went up TO Albany in ls12 and 1873 to oppose
Summer OF 1872 appeared before the Committee on
Commerce and Navigation the Committee made ad-
The arrangement with the commissioners; don't
ihiuk that received 100000; $500 OF my componsa
tOn went 10 partner, MI r. j. wilson, 10 offset the
ou q, Anans lSt netheT Rchard GGornaa a"s'nCS nor
Cen Jones received any share OF the money;
tell anything more as TO what did at Ai1any don't
NE getting the bill through: i haven't much of
memory for details anyhow received about $4,000
Williams q Guion lines; j doIt know that the other
lines carry more immigrants than the-; Cont think
received over kept two bank accounts, but re-
fuse Osiate where Eept them deposited snai por
fion OF the money win the Unt,n Trust CoiVpaiy;
drew up the bib Of 1877 ~ SewSork CAN'T yecoect
10 whom handed II for introduct ton
Mr. AIvOrd here exhibited The Legislative records OF
1871 by which IL appears That The bill reducing the
head money introduced INTO the Assembly on the
lmous consent reported unanimously at the motion OF
Der mis- Burns Of NewYork, and passed unanimously
Yeas 93 Eays, q The whole time occupied Ia the
passage OF the bill In the House was not over three
minutes and " was sent to the Committee on Com
and Ma v1gatOn In the senate The bill was sent
10 the Committee on Cines OF which Tweed was Chair
man. and reported the same day compete III was
then passed by unanimous vote The difference DE-
tween The records and his statements wa called 70 Mr.
Hoans attention by N.Y. Alvord and othsrs ana ie "a.
yas probably wrong he had told the story however 70
DE best Of s recollection le lsd never haa any con,
tiatiop with A. d. Barber and Edward Phelps jn regard
The witness said think tbe COMMITTEES o. the Ju-
aesry met Mt the Deavan Home during the Winter OF