New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-08


Mr. Fullerton-Certanly not
Mr. Evarts-I understand perfectly.
Mr. Beach, don't think anybody will deny that Mr..
Beecher understood IL proposed for publications.
| certainly don't.
@ Well that being then the close before
your interview terminated In what position was the
question OF publication left
Mr. Fulerton-That is objected to- Sir: there IA one
of getting at that and that is by what said
Mr.. Evarts-Wcll II nothing was saidi
mir. Fuerton-Then take that, and draw your own in
ferences.
Mr. Beach-The witness has told you that nothing
said except what he has related.
Mr.. Fulerton-He cannot go and add what position
it was left in, II nothing said.
Mr.. Beach-What do you want to knOwi
Mr.. Evarts-I want know il that meeting broke up
with that idea. mott That is what want to know
Mr.. Fuerton-well. there nothing said on the sub
jet: your knowledge will have to be derived from
that
Mr. Evarts-we are always permitted. suppose to
prove the conclusion Of a Observation-Disclosures word was
said ending ityou don't end everything with word
parties go of leaving the thing incomplete for further
consideration without determination that Is all wish
to make out here.
The wltness-If you will allow me, Mr. Evarts; L left
before the parties cit.
@. Before they lefti A. Yes, Sir.
Q. Well, when you left A. When 1 left they were
at 1t.
@. In talki A. Yes, Sir; more or less u 1t.
Q. Well, that dsposes of the matter; then you were
not there at the endl A. / was not.
Q. Now, what the last thing that you said on the
subject of that statement A. think the first thing
and the last thing were the same.
O. Well, what we're they, what was the last' A. lnat
IL that statement in it to which he had called my aeh-
ton primarily which then when he read the state
ment heard substantially this was to come out in that
document be published in that document would
not stand it-that should make fight
O. And that all that was said during that inter-
view by you on the subject A. That the substance
Of what said during that interview by me- My re-
marks were not many
O. And you left theni A. Not then; heard them
@. Well, you left A. [Continuingl DIPLOMATIC for
come time and then left
O. And left before they had concluded their discussion
Yes sir; it had become far quiet and temperate
and left.
O. Well now did you see or hear read that paper
againi A. Never
Was ever brought before you or to your notice by
Mr. Tlton or Nj MOulton as proposed pubhcat.on' a.
Never.
O. Now we will take the occasion, Mr.. Beecher, at
which Mrs TiltOn present part Of the tlmef a.
That preceding this. Sir
O. Yes and when was that-at the end Of December
Do YOU know the date of It'll A. II not far from that
think the last among the last days of December
O. Where this interview heidi A The back chanl-
Der of Mr. Moultons house, second story
O Was an appointment-had an appointment been
made for that meetingl A. Yes, Sir, there had.
O. And by whom and in what manner had the ap-
monument been madei A. don't know In what man
ner; Mr.. Moulton had made IT,
O. Well, made it with yOul A. Had made it with me
and Mr. TltOn as understood, but cannot say any
thing about that.
A MEETING ABOUT THE TRIPARTITE DENIAL
Q. Well, made it with you, had he A.
went 10 an agreed appointment at Mr. Moultons house
for the purpose exchanging rather comparing and
adjusting letters.
O. For publication A. For pnoncauon II IL sAouIu
seem the best
O. Now what occurred there and who were present at
the first occurrencei A. carnOt recall whether MI
Mouton present at first or not Stiff he was ne lett
soon and Mr.. Trton and were left Mrs Moulton also
being in and out and think it desired to have MIS-
Tton present. and Mr. Frank Carpenter, the artist
coming in about that tme he sent around to bring
her-to bring Mrs. Tt0n and think that some conV6
sation foowed-rather, from Mr. Tton to me there was
remarks made on the proposed document OF some
statement that he was drawing up, which did not
altogether understand, for it not read to me nor
shown to me
O. At this timei A. At this time was II in a state
of entirety recolect his speaking of it as something
that was in the process of formation, and when Mrs I'll
ton came then drew from my pocket letter that had
prepared in consonance with an arrangement with hT
MOutOn.
O. What Is that letter
Mr.. Shearman-Exhibt "a.
Mr. Morris-I cannot find the original, but there is a
copy.
Mr.. Evarts-wen we can use that suppose. Showing
book TO the witness
O. Do you recognize that as the A. think that is
it, Sir.
O. Now was there any other letter produced there and
II so by whom. and under what formi A. When Mrs
Titon came she came up into the ROOM and thinK MT
CARPENTER retired modesty and Mrs Tton sat down at
little writing table side of the room and Mr. lton
brought to her paper written in his handwrting-l did
not paper but Mrs Tlton turned and looked up
at me and said my friend ought TO write this 1said
to her. Elizabeth, if that expresses your sentments-l
don't know what is in t-but If expressly our views
don't know any why you should not copy " and
with that she and copied the letter out from the paper
in Mr. Tltons handwriting and signed II ID my presence
Then Mr. Tton for his leter-the understanding
had been that be letter all round-and he
said that he had not yet drawn up any; that
he had not made up ms mlnd. Iheh
Isad putting my letter back in my pocket, will wait
for further developments and that ended the interview
substantially.
O. Did you at that time read the letter Of Mrs Ton,
80 that you can A. No, Sir did not read it.
O. Did not read it you only saw her A saw her
copy paper that in the handwriting Of Mr. Tton
neither read bis paper, nor did read her letter-Ler
copy
V
own knowledge that you have seen 1t A. don't
know what Exhibit d. A. is; never saw the letter that
Mrs. Tilt0n-
O. Well only want to show you'll identify that for
the purpose of the evidence A. Well don't know any
! thing about this Sir never read II.
O. At that time you read it A. Well, don't
| know that have read it since.
O. Well, 1t has been in evidence. Now at this inter
view at which Mrs TltOn present the interview OF
the 29th at which Mrs TutOn was present A Inter
| view OF what
| O. Interview Of the Goth I A. Goth yes, Sir
O. Or whereabouts, at which Mrs. Tlton was present.