The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-04-08


myseif WITH the womans movement; Mouton,
think, re pued TO that that need not do that put
that Ii was an opportunity 30 show my admiration,
or rather exhibit my principles, In favor OF free-
dom OF discussion on all SUBJECTS ana ne ma1e use
Ward Beecher to preside at pu0lic meeting at
which was discussed the great social reyolutlon-
that whether ala or AID not believe 10 u, that y
would be great national and sublime example,"
that was the substance OF ".
q. How dld the matter end in respect 20 the
dehnIteneSs or fidelity OF your refusal 70 preside
at that meeting A. mace my refusal absolute
at tine time. and she knew It was absolute.
by you to Mrs. woodruff. ana stated oy you 70
Moulton ana I1lton. that you did not positively
dec Inc, that you could not then see how you
could do It, hut that II IN the afternoon you should
come TO o different conclusion tnat you would
preside A. Nothing OF the kind, sir.
o. DId you state 10 Moulton and Tilton or TO
either OF them, on that occasion, as part OF the
conversation ut that Interview. tnat you had not
positively declined, bu: that you aha not see how
you could do It. but that In the afternoon, 4
you came TO dinerent conclusion, you would go
and preside : A. No. sir; never stated so.
q. on The occasion OF the meeting with Mrs.
woodruff at Moulton's house ala you or not oo-
familiarity in the intercourse between Mrs. Wood
hull aud Illton and between Mrs. and Mr.. Moulton
ana Mrs WoodhullY A. did.
KISSING Woodruff.
O. Where and what occurred on that occasion
A. IL was In the chamber In Moulton's house;
when Mrs. Woodruff came IN TO dinner; when Mrs.
Woodruff came IN Mr.. Moulton kissed her; then
Mrs. MOulton entered the room and she also
kissed MRS. woodruff, meeting her very cordially
and pleasantly.
v. A.
Is that he also kissed her, but have no distinct
recollection OF that; saw Moulton kiss ner.
@. Dla you about this time receive letter from
Mrs. Woodhug A. did.
Q. state the occasions and the subject upon
which you received, II you ala receive any letters
ter from Mrs. Woodruff in respect 10 going 70
Washington 70 speak at a meeting OF women In
favor OF woman's Suffrage; IL was during session
Q. DO you recolIect the date or that letter. A.
Yes; II was the "a oil January, 1872.
u. "a,
huli the letter you referred TO IN letter to Mr..
MouItonS A. Yes.
o. You aid receive letter from her in connec.
ton with the meeting at Steinway HallS A. Yes.
q. what was the date OF tnat Letters A. re-
member got it the day before the meeting-I
can't say but II might nave been one or two days
before the meeting; that letter was entirely on
q. Did You receive any other letter from herr
o. Was that letter after or before the publica-
ton OF the article known as the woodruff SANDER
A, II was some time before that; ABOUT the Sd OF
Q. With the exception OF these three letters, did
you ever receive any other letter from hers A.
o. What letters dlo you write 90 herP A.
wrote her a reply 10 the Washington letter and q
reply TO the Gllsey House letter
TIE MARMADUKE POEM
Q. Do you recoect the occurrence In the fall OF
1871, OF the publication OF IIlton's poem or MAR
q. what was the first time You heard or the pub
LEGATION or were you aware that II was gong to be
published A. heard OF II through the newspa-
o. Now. had you any conversation with Moulton
alierward concerning the publication OF that
Q. how ala that conversation arise. and what
was SAID A. | don't know how It arose, but in
the course OF the convers ttOn sald that IL was
dastardly letter, Illphrased and would have an al
effect; that IL was an III bird that ouled its own
neat he said he thought so himself
Q. Dld you In that conversation with Moulton In
when tnS publication was tne subject Of your talk
say TO MIN that IL almost broke your heart 10 read
1t, ana that you considered II as virtually telling
the wncle story OF yourself and Eizabethf A. No,
SIR: didn't say any such thing as tAat.
o. Dtd you say anything TO that effect about its
publication breaking your hearth A. 1 did said
II went 70 my neart 70 see Or read II thai II was
Ellzabetn's name before the public that Is ell l
remember saying about the "Marmadake's Mus
u 10 the month OF December, 1871, do you rec.
Ollect the subject coming ~ between Yourself and
Tllton, as 20 his retiring from Plymouth church?
Z. Where was that interview heidi A. don't
know; only remember something OF the CONVEX
D. State what passed between you at that tine
on tnat subject. a. lie sald there had been an
VI members Of the churcn, aud he blamed me Tor
it; thus was only part OF many and frequent
conversations between Us ar that time Ihad UNDER
taken 70 DO all could TO restore Mr Tiiton to the
cordlal good will OF my church.
q WHAT mad passed between Jou and MT Ttton
before this on the subject OF the restoration OF
good feeling tow srd nm on the part OF your
cnurcl, II aDythingy A. / SAID 1 could not hold
myself accountable FOR the opinions and preludlces
that existed with regard TO nlm; that was not
Responsible Tor tuat however felt sdtisneu
that these beginnings OF sorrow ana complaints
against ntm on the part oil members OF the church
might be oversianghed and removed II be leit MS
his way clear to come back AGAIN and take part
as he used 10 do IN the affairs Of the church, and
show ueon ms part a cordial feeling toward the
members ana on one oftncse iniervle VS. win him
thou NJ he exhibited & leaning that way, which IN
splred me with hope mat bis better state or things
might come to pass; IN such delusiOn made
conditions that would guarantee him welcome
that would set him nlgh and dfy above ali these
aunoyances; AT tnat last interview he showed D
dissemination o., 4 urged
hts letter 70 another caurcn; he said he did not
consider himself Z member OF tue church Tor a long
time asked him tuen to communicate the TACT
to the cnuren; ne sad ne could not 90 that IN the
present state 81 tue inquiries Ia rhe church with.
out seeming u AVOID OF evade them; said 10 HIM
That ne could make simple announcement OF the
fact that be vas not meGiber, and then that the
he declined 70 40 this; should say that thls mat
ter weGt On ~ two or three months.
DIPLOMATIC ANswER.
Mr.. hilton has given narrative or an Interview
Ia wnicn sou SAID 10 substance that IN view OF the
events o the sumner and iail, Dy the publication
OF the woodruff sketcn, the presiding az the stein
way Hall meeting aud the publication OF "Slr Mar
maduke's Musings there was an impression in
the church that ne was q SpIritualist and that he
mad thoroughly abandoned the orInodox faith, and
as MS name nad been banded up aud down tie
community they lelt as church tnat they should
inquire 1nio me matter; then YOU said Yes;
yOu know, Theodore, how dreadful anu distressing
THIS - 10 me, especially as Know how you have
come into your dlsrepute; but what can DO
how can explain TO mJ church memoersY They
are croNdlnR me on every hand.' Now, did any
sucn conversation az that take place between your
A. Not between me aud Mr.. Tilton, SIR.
U. nov, on that conversation, or on any con-
veTsatlOn about his nxing his relations, ard you
say TO hlm, or OH nc say 70 you "Mr. Beecher, In
reference 70 ang Criticisms made upon me, because
have made q sketch "a WOOdhull's life and pre-
sided a. a public meeting on her behalf, you know
perfectly wen the reasons that led me % IT, and
you nave 10 right " MAKE that reason 10 plant
thorn IN M siden-did SOu say anything OF that
KIND A. Not word.
q. Did ne IN any conversation at that time In
when ne SPOKE ofyour treating tue offence OF ''sir
Mafmaduke's Musingsr as n IL lad been written
By AIRS. stowe or any one else TO print 1t In the
Christian onion A. NO, sir; no, sIr.
Y. DID he use these words At any conversation -
'As to the remaining tnings-my retirement from
tue cnurch-zet rid OF that 10 tnls way-Say that
tOd you year and a half ago, as ala at one OF
eur earlier Interviews, that mad then abandoned
che church. That have never crossed the TIRES
hold OF the church since then assume the power
aud take nv name rom the roll; IL 10 dangerous
TO call attention 10 the TACT that my name Is
there get rid Of n In this wayYl A. No, SIR.
Y. Dld be say that n ne asked for a dismissal, or
wrote letter on the subject, 4 would impugn