The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-04-24
naa sucn paper in my possession, and after that


@ "Have you got tnat papeEf' YOU were asked,
and VOC answered NO. and tnat you didn't
Il the mere; Mr.. shearman had it; didn't know
where ne had II; did know Mr.. Shearman had IL;
don'L know why dld not state so yesterday.
o. Did you suppose by that question that
wanted 70 know wnere that paper wasY A. When
/ gave that paper 70 Mr.. Snearman supposed that
II II was proper 60 be introduced u would be IN
tToduced; that was my understanding OF II; that
was the reason l answered so; went from Boston
10 the hIte Mountains 10 meet MIR. Beecher the
4th OF september; was then aware that a second
report or statement was IN course Of preparation
by Nh. Moulon; IL was the subject OF conversation
between myself and Mr.. Beecner; supposed that
statement would cover the whole OF Mr. Moutons
defence, Including the D;ackmaillnR charge; I'M
dersto0d that Mr.. Redpath desired Mr.. Beecher TO
come 10 Boston TO confer with nim and other par
ties wLn regard TO the Moulton statement; my
visit TO Boston under instruction from Mr.. Beecner
was that was TO near no proposition or expana-
ton on the matter OF the scandal till alter the
charges OF +. ID. Moulron and theodore Tilton
Withdrawn completely and unqaail1sdly-ent
retraeted; went Go ascertain matter OF cour-
tesy what Nh. Redpalh and the other gentlemen
had to say.
o. Have you stated the whole object OF your
visit TO Boston A. Mr.. Beecher wanted to know
what all the teegraphing to hIm TO go TO Boston
meant, anu he said TO me, go TO Boston and see
what an this means, but remember tins, that
W IN nave nothing to do with any proposition or
arrangement affecting all these scandals except
tine CONDITION or +. ID. Moulton and Theodore
11tou making an absolute relraction OF every
charge made BY them affecting my character.
q What dtd you intend TO do alter consulting
with Mr. Redpath and the others in Boston A.
intended, II Mr.. Redpath's statement was ac-
companied with an authentic withdrawal and re-
traction OF all the charges by Moulton and Illton
Ml an rstracte onou sac hI 70 Mr.
Beeche. Tor his action on the same; TOOK Mr..
Beechers authority with me, but would never
The witness was closely pressed for answer
as to what action he shoad have taken on the In
struction given him by Mr.. beecher on the pro-
posed conference al Boston.
Witness further expained-I had received YER
bal Instructions from Mr. Beecher on the 4th OF
September Immediately after breakfast; but sub
sequenty, just before stepped INTO the carriage
TO 20 to the depot, Mr.. Beecher handed me that
paper-the written lnstrucuons-and said, "If any
one doubts that you can hear ano determine Tor
me at Boston show them that paper;n took 10
and put it in my pocket and didn't read 1t till
after mad leit the White Mountains; there was
something said on the subject OF Mr. Beecher
withdrawing the charge OF blackmaIl against
MoulJon before gong to Boston: was not 10
Withdraw that charge as part OF my instructions.
O Did you exhibit your authority to the parties
IN BostonH A. may have done SO to Mr. Red
path; he knew what my instructions We're; ne
knew came there 10 meet General Butler ana
Mr.. MOulton.
ton there A. No; MI. Redpath told me they ae-
ctlneG to meet ME.
which General Pryor viii read In the original
General Pryor read the following telegI am in
Latin. aiterward traRslating u:-
from j. RRDPArH TO Mr.. BEEoHER:-
Conecome ut once in the name OF the Father, 70 the
end nst great perl may ge y s
which 1holl in my hand for one day only Do not rus
Witness-It was in consequence OF this despatch
that Mr.. Beecher wished me to so TO Boston; Mr..
Beecner teesraphed TO him that was going; it
was Friday morning IL was suggested should go 10
Boston, ana went In an hour afterward; ola not
intend TO have lett the White Mountains till the
succeeding saturday or Monday; that was the
first request maze to me on the subject; nothing
lad been said TO me ABOUT 1t the previous DAY,
bur the affairs which subsequently, brought me TO
Boston were spoken OF between myself and Mr.
Beecher.
Question pressed-My going to Boston might
have been discussed on Thursday evening.
O. MIR. Beecner on Thursday telegraphs 10 Red
path, Cleveland will come with iull documentary
that despatch being sent on Thursday nignn A.
Well, / might have seen 1t or heard 1t read.
in your power to ruin the Christian linton A.
q. Did YOU not say that you knew the secret or
MT Beecher's relations with Mrs. rilton A. did
o. And that you would divulge the secret A..
did not.
O. Do YOU know Mr.. Samuel Belcherf A. Yes;
/ went over with him carefully the draft prepared
for the Investigation Committee 10 see that IL was
accurate; can't say how often 1t was read; | VIII
swear that Mr.. Belcher did not use the words
ment paper; have read Mr.. Belcher's testt-
mony IRON the published Account OF the Great
scandal, - the book you hold In your hand.
Q. You said you were hrst aware OF the error in
Mr.. Beecuer's testimony when you read Mrs.
Wlnslows testimony A. Yes.
TnE CHURCH INVESTIGATING COMMITTEE.
O. what was the report OF the church committee
founded upon A. On the testimony Of wit
O. Were the witnesses sworn, A. No.
Report handed To witness.
q. / can your attention 70 that portion OF the
report-letter from Mr.. Moulton 20 Mrs. Tilton-
ana say II that letter was contained IN Moulton's
nrst long statement ana nowhere elsef
The witness appealed 10 the Court
WItness--lf Your Honor please, desire TO take
TO Withhold any knowledge Of the case that came
before me- rom my nrst acquaintance with the
case but submit IL IS literally impossible Tor me,
IN my present state OF health. TO analyze that re-
port aud 10 make II harmonic with the evidence
! I'M 10. i
Honor Tor protection.
TIC Court-lf an adjournment is desirable we
will allow sou TO stand over.
Mr.. Morris-We have no objection TO that.
There are some very important points 10 be In
Tns wltness-lt would DO utterly impossible Tor
me AZ mis- time, so far removed from mat reporG,
TO make an analysis Of all the evidence.
The Court-We can understand that.
Witness-I doubt Il Your Honor can recall all the
Mr.. Morris-We VIII ask ron plain questions
upon these facts.
WIness-I cannot do II.
MIR. Evafts-Witness. had better 90 on and get
through. This Is n plain and candid statement.
mltuess' as eaOn qnrsstun aIises' VI" aus Wet ~ ~
about It that Will end the matter.
The witness, again addressing the Court, said -
Allow me, Your Honor, to add Ii Is important Tor
me to be tree from this excitement tonight. II
possible. NY attack has affected my mead, and
ask the protection OF the Court.
The Court-Certa;nly SIR.
o. Do you recolect hearing OF letter or state
ment or Mrs.. TIltonis which was subsequently
shown 10 DR.. Storrs, dated July, 1s70:-"Prompted
by my duty. nave told my husband thar Mr..
Henry Ward Beecher, my pastor, had solicited me
to be a vile 10 him, together with all this I'M
ports" DO you recolect such letter A have
some recollection OF such u letter
q. Was that letter presented to the committee,
and was Il considered by them a. 1 can't say.
Q. Did the committee, in making tneir report,
take into consideration Mr.. Moulton's statement
Objected to.
8. In making up their report you referred to
four letters contained IN MoultOn's long state
ment of August II; did your committee consider
that statement OF Mr.. houlton's In making their
report. as part OF the evidence taken before the
commtteef A. l am utterly unable recoIect
tue details oil the whole matter.
q. In your examination In your house you stated
that GU did not take that statement into consid-
Grafton at all-that nothing was considered mat
was not before the committee in eudence2 A.
Well, accept that
Y. And 90 you now state that ron did not con-