The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-02-03

with any selfrespect ask OF your church to give me
HAM, since have dismissed myself, because now
II write such letter II will imply mat nave
been Tor the last year and hall a member; you
remember distinctly how told you | never agar
shall G. oss the threshold OF YOUR churcn;' told
with il he treated the sursct boIdIS ana assumed
tnat nv name was dropped from the rolls gave
him some OF the reasons why could not con-
sous was, said, 'You put your request to me on
the ground that my views were different from
are but allow me TO remind you that my views
are not different from the views OF many other
no more radical ia any Of - NV views Than beacon
Freeland or Mr.: Claim, or many other members In
sooS 70 IN mould Ss
O. any IN my soqs
OF all ooseness and ltberality IN religious views,
and that should retire from your church, parttc.
ularly since CT criticisms nave been made on my re-
lation toward Christian sentiment. people would
say. '.Well, II Mr.. iiiton has grown SO loose and
leave Plymouth cnurch, where will he go ~
SAID s'MY VIEWS ARE TOO LIBERAL"
to entitle me to ask letter OF dismissal from the
orthodox congregational church, but not too
liberal TO allow me to remain a member In good
standing In your church; on that account can.
from your church Tor year and a-half, my wife
and daughter remain members, and II i retire from
public impresston that family diisrences have
not been obliterated, but that family dInerences
oa
need 10 oetail here. At all events as the substance
Of that ,uterview ! peremptorily declined 70 ask
told MIN he must handle the subject IN some other
q. Do you recollect at any time alter the inter-
view OF which you have now spoken OF meeting
Mr.. Beecner in the cars when going to Boston, A.
Q. You recoliect about what time that wass A.
met Mr.. Beecher IN the cars one morning, very
lew weeks afte The interview which have just
to Boston or coming away from Boston; remem-
Der quite early IN the morning. while l was sitting
In the car writing from just such on inkstand as
that lpointing TO an inksrand used W sten0gra-
pher In the court ROOM.
Mr.. Evarts-Which oneS
Witness-Ths one; Mr.. Beecher was in the car
ne came up to me and said, "How Is It possible
That you can write In the cars {" said, II have
great deal Of my work IL in The the cars" wsl,S
said ne, "what are you writing :" I was going
see iOr himself; sald he u nope Il ISN'T an.
other poem Sir MarmaauEe p" said, mo. 1t is
am wng an n ess OF SHq
woolman and His writinsss and said to him. him.
peace - he drew long breath and said, IA foun-
tain OF peace tell me where 1t is, want to drink
Heavens name / must read il, for" said he, II
have come TO the conclusion there Is to be no
peace for me any more IN this NE - ne then saia
he HAD with me at Mr.. Moultoh's, and that be
was good deal distressed the more he thought oil
retirement from the cSurcn he SAID, Il thius
trouble Will grow out OF 1t; can't give to my
public man, and they VIII inquire Into you and
you have enemies IN the church and can't sup
hun aiea'i see now trouble could arise II ne him
sell met 1t firmly; told him that thought he
was
ALLOWING ONE DANGER TO GROW
up that he might suppress, and mentioned &c
him that his newspaper, the Christian Union, haG
shown certain signs OF uniriendliness to me;
said, II don't care for the Criticisms o. your paper
but don't think 1t Will cOnduce At all to the pub
lie regard OF our harmony 10 have your paper crit
pie n my ONCE are s%osI to YOU ana +" w sSo
might gee somebody mere TO wnom could
intrust our secret, SO that that paper should
assume q more friendly lace before the pub
llc," . suggestion which ne siterward car
ried out; and told him, iurthermore-
out 80 suggestion which he aiterward carried
OUT"
Johnson as the editor Of That paper.
Mr.. FullertOn-It IS quite immatertal.
The paragraph was stricken out.
ever sources OF anxiety he might have IN the
church, on the part OF gentlemen who wished to
make inquiries into the scandal, which was then
just beginning to arise. and was limited and con.
hned TO very narrow .circle-I said, You must
Sroua me- no harm can 9o vo% mn
less create It; no blow can be struck at you un.
less strike you. Now" said. Ego on with your
'Of course my anxiety is not for your safety, II
10 for Elizabeth; but In protecting Elizabeth
don't be aowncast; Mr. Mouifon tells me you arc
always iuil OF heartbreak and anguish; relieve
your mind from oil apprenensi0ns as to any posi-
Bile dangers that may arise through me s" be TOOK
my hand and ne shook 1t. and ne thanked me; the
tears came into MS eyes and he suddenly left, III
order, as supposed, that the passengers might
not witness a scene between us; that was the sub
stance vi that interview.
ENTER BOWEN.
O. Now. Mr. TiltOn. we como t. the arbitra tfOn
between yourself and Mr.. Bowen; when did that
occur A. Tnat occurred about four months aitel
the interview which have now described.
Y. That brings II some time In April, 1872 A
Yes, Sir, shortly after my interview with Mr..
West In the latter part OF July; during that trip o
travel had many inquiries put TO me why had
Independent and Brooklyn Union after the public
| announcement had been made that was goinl
TO be connected with those papers for term Of
| the West said that unless there should be some
explanation made OF that fact, the reasons for my
! would attach to me; that Impression was very
strong on my mind during my Journey. and wheI
as % or
move tnat impression; one or those persons,
remember was Mr.. Oliver Johnson; consult tee
| my retirement from those papers there seemed
| to be no resource, there seemed to be no orhe
OF my retirement and publish the facts Of t."
namely, the facts as 1 had az that time writer
them down In proposed letter to MI Bowen. nov
In evidence. and dated January ], 1871; Ires0lvet
TO
PUT AN END TO TIE SCANDALS
which were rising to my detrmcnt at that time
scandals taking many dinerent forms: one that
had been dismissed for drunkenness; anothe
form that had been dismissed Tor this and that
the other cause-many different f0rms-and
said. ~ win put an end to this business; othel
reasons shall DC gwen why so suddenly retired
from the Independent and the UntOn,u and &C
cordingy published, or 1 wrote, with Mr.. olive
Johusons assistance and cooperation, an article
for the Golden Age, incorporating my letter tt
Mr.. Bowen. dated January /, 1871; deslgnet
to publish IT.; Mr.. Mouton was violently
opposed 10 It's publication; he said to me
'rneodore, IN order TO right yourself in tn
DO not think tnat your own Justification will justify
you In publishing this article; Mr.. Moulton ex
his words; he took the article. ana he said tina
he would endeavor to nnd some other way OF recti
Tying that injurious impression; ought to SAL
that az the same time had instituted through
Mr.. Ward, my counsel In my absence, Just befor,
ment Of the unpaid moneys which he still owet