New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-30

With the concurrence OF Mr. Beecher. didn't youi A.
didn't suppose WAS going
q Now aid you suppose that or not A. supposed
he had withdrawn his objection
@ Did you suppose you were going with the concur
renee Of Mr. Beechert A. Old not know "ne'her "f'
Beecher knew was going.
O. l. ask you If you supposed you were going with the
concurrence of Mr.. Beecheri A. did not suppose any
thing about It,
O. You did mott A. No.
O. You had no idea about IT. A. Not definitely; no.
O. oh! not definitely. asked you II you had any IDEA
about 1t. [Laughter
Judge Neilson-G Gentlemen please DO quiet.
A. have stated to you all know about It,
O. Now, walt, Mr.. Tracy am not asking you for
definite and unqualified fact am asking you, Sir as
man Of intelligence and whether. when you went
TO Boston, you supposed you were going Win Tue con-
currence OF Mr. Beecheri A. supposed
O. Now, want you to answer that question. a. "en'
/ can't answer 1t, II your Honor please.
O. You can tell what you supposed A. No. can't
say that supposed that Mr.. Beecher knew was going
when started and how could know that was going
with his Concurrence
O. You understood from Mr. Sherman that his objec-
ton to your going had been withdrawn, didn't you'll A.
say inferred 1t.
O. Well, you understood iti A. Not from Mr.. Shear
man; no, Sir
O. Didn't you suppose III A. supposed 1t; yes, Sir
O. Then we will start there You supposed his objec-
ton had been withdrawn A. Yes. Sir
O. And yet you had supposition when you went
whether you going with the concurrence OF MI
Beecher or mott A. Well 1t is mere speculation; Mr.
Beecher-
O. All O speculation! Ia it not conclusion OF your
own mindf A. No. Sir; I have conclusion upon the
subject.
O. am asking what you supposed in your own mihd'
when Mr. Beechers objection was Withdrawn to your go
ing A. 1 did not know that 1T was withdrawn
q had hann nit A.
said Inferred from the fact OF Mr. Shearmans coming
to me- that he would have without MI Beecher
had withdrawn his objection.
O. When you inferred Mr.. Beecher had withdrawn
his objection, did you not suppose you were acting III
accordance with his wishi A. cannot say that sup
posed way the other the subject at that time
O. Yes A. don't think that 1 speculated on the
question. -
O. You went on to BostOna A. I acted on the
@ Wait minute You went on to Boston TO confer
with Mr.. Butler upon that subject in which you con-
ceived Mr. Beecher to be deeply interested without nav
ing any idea your mind to whether you were
acting accordance with the wishes OF Mr. Beecher or
against his wishes. DO you mean to swear thatf A.
mean to swear that Boston the responsibility
of Mr. shearman and beyond that did inquire, and
did not consider speculate, to whether was going
with Mr. Beechers knowledge with Mr. Beechers con-
currence.
Q. Mr.. Tracy, when Mr.. Sherman came TO You and
consulted with and under his advice you went To
Boston, did it not you whether Mr. Beechers OBJ
lection had been withdrawn or not A. say 1t did ana
inferred from the fact of his coming that it had been
O. And when you made that inference that that obec
ion had been withdrawn, you mean to say, do you that
he idea did you whether you were going to
Boston in accordance with against his visit A. All,
ion't say that, Mr.. Beach
@. You DON'T Ell A. I never supposed was going
here against the wish OF Mr. Beecher
O. Well have been asking you that for some time A.
70. Sir. you have not beg pardon That is exactly
what you have not been asking,
Mr. Evarts-There is distinction that he wanted to
make.
Mr. Beach-No Sir: no. Sir: it is not distinction that
wanted to make, nor is it distinction that my ques
ion admits
The Witness-It just the distinction that wanted to
make and have been trying to make all the time.
Mr.. Besch-What prevented you from making IT
The Witness-Simpy becagsc of the form Of the ques
on this time that you have asked the ques
on in that form
Mr.. Beach ito the stenographerl Please give me
hose questions three of them, and let us see
Mr. shearman-How far back do you want him TO 20 7
Mr.. Beach-Just as far back as you want him oSo.
(The Tribune stenOgrapher read several OF the pre-
edine questions and answers.l
Mr. Beach-That will do guess my questions do not
revent him from answering.
The Witness-That is the first time that understood
our auestion-that understood you to ask Inc if went
gainst-
Mr. Beach-Thcn you had better understand the ques-
ions go along
The Witness-Wel think that is the first question:
IT. Beach, where you asked me that When say that l
vaned to make that say
Mr.. Beach-Wait, wait.
The witness-well, il you won't permit me to ex-
,ain---
Mr. Beach-You saw Mr. Butler in Boston, did you'll A.
les, Sir
O. And that, you say, was about inc lst Oh Juy 1914
/. think it was. Sir.
O Had the Committee then been formed-caedi A.
O. The Investigating Committed A. Yes Sir.
O. The Investigating Committee had then been named
hadn't it, A. am not certain but one name was added
after went TO Boston.
O Whose name was that 7 A. I should say 1t was Mr.
Whites but am not certain OF that
O. Did you tell Mr.. Butler anything about the ealing
II that Investigating Committee . A did not.
THE INTERVIEW WITH GEN. BUTLER.
O. What was the subject of your converse
ion with Mr. Butleri A. 1t about the message he
had sent TO Mr. Beecher, and his knowledge OF the
scandal.
@ Was II not upon the subject Of the best policy to be
nursued in suppressing scandal A. The latter part
Of the conversation may have taken some turn OF that
description don't remember about that.
O. Did Mr Butler tell you that he knew what the char
acter OF the accusation was against Mr. Beeeherf A
don't remember whether he did or not.
O You don't remember A. don't remember, Sir,
whether Gen Butler and discussed his knowledge;
don't know that he proessed to have any special know
about the case aside from what gathered in the
prints I went there the superstition
O Oh don't want your suppositiOns A. Exactly.
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