The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-04-13

II firter seem 10 nave passed into COlNl0u,
az We neither hear nor nardly see them ang more
Judge Nelson alone Inriyes. III Is llilug out ana
/ laEeAng. lis eye catching tne mellow anu
cheerful influence or spring. nrightens. 4 smile
4 ol luaicia benevoence plays swcetlY around his
/ lips lle sazes on the witness with dehcatey
balanced expression ~ pity surprise aEd admit
ration. CLERK Madison, rejecting the improved
spirit OF the Court, i growing younger day BY
uay, ms voice deepens IN melody auu son0rouS
ness Tho foreman or the twelve good men ana
true, Mr. CARPENTER. shows no iaLling on IN hs az
tentlon 70 the case. He looks alternately AZ
/ counsel ana witness with eager. wstlul gaze,
\ Ike an earnest seeker after truth, oanled
from DAY 60 day, yet ever hopeful OF finding the
4 hidden treasure.
Moulton's house were Your visits rare or FREE
quent? A. At times visited every uay; AZ times
only once week or once fortnight; sometimes
not for month"; or two or three; during my
cations there might be an interval OF four months.
u On the occasions when you mad those con-
ferencesS A. Yes, for about three and a half
years.
O. Were there intervals when there were no
discussions on these trouplesS Witness-Do you
mean what proportion OF Tune aud extentY
O. Yes. A. l can't say that; there were at
times long PERIODS from 1871; after May, in 1872,
there was very little discussion all the summer;
that was during the campaign, ana very little was
done till after the close 81 the campaign.
q. Alter the publication OF the Woodh1 scandal
what occurred from tnat time TN June 1873 A.
1t ran on o the spring OF 1873; soon alter that
came my vacation; after that occurred the inter-
Consultations and conferences with Mouiton that
was mpanled WIN what was called the Bacon
that Tilton's letter 10 Bacon.
q That was the course events up 10 the meet
Ing q the eaurcn investigation a. Yes; the Bacon
myself and Moulton, and after that was published
the end came.
O. Now, / refer to an occasion OF an interview
between yourself and Mrs. Moulton, and ask yon II
you ever rad any conversation with her on the
subject Of the woodruff scandal; how did that n-
teryiew come about and wnat was the CONVERSE
tion Il any was had A. Twice called upon ner;
we had two conVersations-one was not exactly
conversation; she made some pleasant, spicy re-
mark with respect ID what she regarded the dl-
% ~ AZ III .
time she asked me, when we were together IN her
chamber what thought about Mrs. woodruff;
can't use her language, but her language was
such that t carried with IL the wish TO know
what thought OF ner (Mrs. woodbury. IN connec-
tion with her husband. and said had no means
personally TO know her; that derived all my IN
Formation Of ner from otns taat ana not be De.
she was what they thought she was, aud then
sne asked Of her In connection VITA ner own assoc
cation with her, and told ner did not think she
could do any hurt; II was very sincere compli-
ment TO her.
as TO between herself ana Mrs. woodruff at that
4 interview A. The conversation arose from the
tact that Mrs. woodruff frequented the house.
and she told me Frank had desired 1t, and that
she had consented THIS was said IN such language
as lett on my mind that she received her on
FranE's account.
Q. Dld sue say anything Of what she thought OF
the reason OF Mrs Woodruff being received at The
house. How did she put 1t Co yous A. already
SAID that In substance-tnat IL appeared 20 me
aa she Ga not aney inc woman put seat rT9na
her at her house because he wished 1t; she also Ia
subsequent conversation resr.e a. 70 nsr cary aa
that time ana thought better 70 conform as q vile
TO ner husbands wishes.
SPEARS or LOUDLY.
The interview between Mrs. Moulton and
Beecher struck u theme OF interest. 1t brought
the color into Frank Moulton's face. The witness
spoke up loudly in denial Of ever having told Mrs.
Moulton that IL was ner duty cooperate with
her husband in bis epdeavors to suppress the
scandal. The negative response was explosive
\ The speaker shot the answer out with o quick,
high. vocal snap that startled the audience.
O. In any or these conversations in which Mrs.
Woodruff was introduced OLD Mrs. Mouion say
anything 10 you about her husbands wishing her
TO associate with or receive MIS- Woodruff IN her
house on your account A. Never word sir.
z. Was tue subject OF anything done or needed
u to be done with Mrs. woodruff Ia reference 10
you or your affairs spoken or by Mrs. Moulton In
connection with her receiving ner AZ her housep
A. No, sir not at all.
Moulton on the subject oil ner association with
MRS. Woodruff and Jou saying 70 her. II think II
Is a duty you owe TO Frank to cooperate with him
10 try TO keep the story sllentr A. NO, sir; not
syllable OF IL.
Il q. Did you, in reporting 10 Moulton any CONVEX
sation you had with his vile on the woodruff
scandal subject, say to him that you had told her
that sou thought IL would be ner duty-to Coop
crate with him tMoult0nl Tor tue suppression or
those stories concerning yourself aud Mrs IiltonY
/ A. No, sir, nothing OF the kind: talked with mrs.
Mouton the subject OF her, so far as II could DE
done with propnety, cooperating VITA her nus
band In his ordinary DESIRES out with no reference
whatever TO the matter pertaining TO me.
q. My question is-Wnetner In reporting 70
Moulton any Conversation you mad with MS wife
on the suojnct OF her associations with Woodruff.
you said to Moulton tnat you had tolu Mrs. Moul-
operate with her husband FOR the suppression OF
the stories concerning you and Mrs. Illtons A.
never so talked with Mrs. Mouton. and never told
q. DID you ever have any conversation with
Mrs. Moulton on the subject OF her attending your
church, and, n 50, stale what passed be ween you
! IN the suojectg A. Yes; she talked on the subject
OF going TO church at various times and IN various
15aq mar nm in Tz~1 inU
/ with some anxiety regarding the curing or a
pew-tnat MOullon had expressed Intention
DS ana I sne O was socltous 70 Know Il Frank
mad forgotten It, as she was afraid he mad; J know
and asked me II l knew whether seats IN pew
could pc Obtained; she dldn't know whether
Frank would attend but tnat she wanted two
seats for herself and boy; referred ner 70 Mr..
Wells, telling her she could get eligible seats IN q
pew; she so on one occasion expressed herself
in a complimentary way, saying she Thought
| was improving IN my preaching; Teeolect see
ing Her not unirequently In cnurch, and dis
tinctly recall one occasion seeing her at the pull
pit steps waiting for me, bringing round some
message from Frank that he wanted to see me,
ana on another occasion she said In very pleas
ant way TO me that ala not seem to see her when
she attended church, and l SAID, "You are never
IN church, Mrs. Moulton, that don't see Jou.r
q. WHAT passed between you and her on any
occasion OF your visits 70 the house by way OF ln-
vltatlon or suggestion as 70 your making visits to
herself A. remember distinctly on two occa-
sions that she said 10 me- once from the mead or
I the stairs when was below going out and once
/ IN ner chamber. ''You always come to see Frank,
why don't you come 10 see me-" and turned It
on understanding it 10 be a KIND OF pleasantly or
jest; she said on one OF these occasions, "Mr.
Beecher, wnen are you coming to see me7 why
not make a social visit on me, and not business
ones ~ or words to that effect.
GETS MORE DELIBERATE.
The further references TO Mrs. Moulton were
given in a rapid, ierky manner and in a careless
rather nippant tone. When asked as to other
conversations with Mrs. Moulton, ne grew more
deliberate cautious aud emotional He spoke TO
Mrs. Aoulton IN q vague, shadowy kind OF q way
that person OF delicate intultions would. ne APP
parenty thought, readily understand.
Q. stare II anything passed between you and
her GU any Of these occasions Wnen the subject or
I your relations with Mr3 Illton was spoken or A.
There we're various occaslens OF tDls KIND; my
/ Conversation win Ber four times out OF i've had
reference 10 Mrs. TtOn and had requested her
TO act as Mis-. IMtOnis next friend; ] wanted q
| unman-N nnraon 90 III ana tlnunlt ME- Mnn-