New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-23

Juuge Ntli8Ou-i throw out the sukgSsuOu boA< uf9u
rites to the why the thing not done ought
not 70 10 received.
Mfr. Mooris-But change my question and make II per-
sonal TO the witness.
Judge Ncilson-wen
Mr.. Morrs-why didn't you examine Mr.. gichardsi A.
don't know why didn't; didn't
q. Didn't you think il Important
Mr.. Besch-what Is his answeri
The Witness-I said Ididn't
Mr. Morris-He says he doesn't know why he didn't
TO the Witness Didn't you think 1t Of importance that
he should be examinedi A. don't rccoect what I
thought about IL.
O. You didn't ascert ain what he knew about
A. i
@. Now, Mr.. Cleveland is the fact that Mr. Richards
was not examined before that Committee you have
stated it, A. As what Sirf
O. Don't you know that there WA reason why ne WA
not examined By that Committee and that that
wss stated by hm-a why he not exam
ined by the Committee. by you member Of that
Committed
Mr. shesrman-This Is just the point that we had up
BEFORE your Honor think, my part, that anybody
who listened to Mr.. Rchariss testimony here would
need no reason in the world why he not examined
before the Committee. He examined because he
had nothing to say But STILL go into the ques-
ton OF how ciaborrely his his were
elected by the Committed He IN here said
he Ind nothing to say and proved IT. but don't suppose
thnt "o w go NONSENSE mat tOOk
place before the Committee OF Investigation.
Judge SeIson-I do not
Mr.. Besch-Diherent minds will have different i'm
preston In regard to what Mr. Richards said. its sub
stance aud its effect and when this undertakes
TO sum up upon that evidence in antcipat-as - tho
proper time, he ought to be answered by he that
there IL much OF substance and Interest whv Mr Rich
ards sald and however much may dcplore the atti
tude into which Mr.. Richards necessarily forced.
yet 1t win be found rational and proper consideration
that his evidence carries world OF meaning upon the
main issue Of this case aud the gentleman will nd out
before the Ia closed.
Mr. Shearman-I made no comment further than to
quote from what Mr. Richards himself said We do not
question that Mr.. Richards IL the most important aud
valuable witness that the plaintiff has produced
Mr. Beach nterruptingl-That IL not sO Sir.
Mr. 5hearman-But he said himself that no had nothing
TO SAY. and
Judge Neson--One moment.
Mr. shesrman-I only objectins--
Judge Nelson-Onc moment, gen tiamen. Now. think.
Mr.. Morris you inquire the reasons except
applicable to the witness personally. That you may
inquire.
Mr. Morris-As soon ~ Brother shearman is through
win proceed.
Mr. Beach--He has taken occasion, whenever he could
get opportunity to speak to up this In frag
ments and it Ia about time there was ond.
Mr. Eyarts-Of the casef
Mr. Beach-Yes-aud him. too
Mr NorTis-Now. I submit. your Honor. have
right to this fact Mr. Richards summoned before
that Committee and not examined. and have u right
to know why he was moi examined.
Judge Neilson-Yes, il the witness connected with
that reason-hiS reason.
Mr.. Morris-Certainy. He, = component part Of that
Committee participated In that action. and acquiesced
in IL.
Judge NeilsonYou ask whether speaking for him
self member Of the Committee, he tell why the
examination wsa not had.
MI. Morrs-Can you state why Mr.. Richards was not
examined BY that Coinmittcrt
Mr. -hssrman-No That is the question that his Honor
has ruled ont.
Judge Nelson ITO the witnessl-spea!ing fOr your
seHt
Mr. Yorrs-Do Won know OF your own knowledge why
he WA before that Committeei
Nj sbearInsn-That 10 the question that has just been
ruled out. submit.
Judge Nelson TO the witness-The question Is put
With reference your personal action IA member
of the Committee. speaking with reference TO your
self answer the question.
Mr.. Morris-And his knowledge.
Mr. shear1nan-N 10 hts own personal reasons
Mr Morri,-Hlvcu't a right your Honor. to have his
knowledge upon that snbecti n he knows personally
and individually why Ma. Richards was not examined.
haven't u right Ia that fact
Judge NeilsOn-Ask him that.
Mr. Beach-That IL the essence of IL, Sir.
Mr. Morr.-That IL what ask. TO the witness. Now,
then don't you know this why Nj. Richards was
not examined By tina; Committee
MI. shearman-I object TO that.
Judge Nelson 10 the witness And did you acquesce
in THAI reason acting as member OF the Committee
Mr.. Shearnan--Ahi
Judge Seilson-Now. Mr.. Cleveland.
A. My recollection of that il that Mr.. Richards knew
nothing hearing upon that upon which NE could De
examined by the Committee
O. Did not Mr. Richards absolutely decline ~ be exam
inedi A. Not in my presence. Sir.
@ He did mott A. No, SIR.
o. You say that he knew nothing; did he state that 10
youI A. You asked my personal recollectionf
Judge Neils"n-Yes.
The Witness-I said personally, for myself, THAT my
recollection Of that that Mr.. Richards had n"
testimony 10 give that Committee bearing upon that
Mr. Beach-Irow did you learn thati A. don't reeol-
lect that precisely, except
O. What! A. That Is my recollection.
O. Well you are asked how you learned H.
Mr.. shearn,an-who told you thsti A. II probably
came from him.
NJ Renrh-prUtahlY! -
Mr. Shearman-Uel that il an answer.
Mr. Beach-No, it ia not an answer.
Mr. shearn,n-lhe question is how lie learned that
Mr. Richards had nothing to say
The witness-E your Honor please cannot rrcoiiect
definitely all the details Of that long examination
Judge SeilsOn-No, Of course
The wi,ness-I cannot undertake, Mt This distance from
that To state the reasons for the-n regard
10 the examination Of the Committee
Mr. norris-we are talking about that. We are
simply asking about one particular fact-namey, how
Won knew Mr. Richards had nothing to sayf A. have
simply this recolection-tlat Mr.. Richards made no
statement 10 the Committee, because he had none to
make.
Mr. Morris-How did YOU learn thatf
The Wifuess-I don't recoilect how knew IT,
fudge Nellson-rhe other inquiry is how you knew
that state you recoect how it came to your kno~
edge.