The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-01-12


sworn. was asked what services he rendered irwin
that ne should he the recipient OF the money. Wit
papers to reach the hands OF GER ain members and
asked MIN 10 denver them: Colonel Bee came 70
witness ana said no subsidy should pass Congress
therefore Irwin wanted 10 see tnat his irlenGs
were IN the House, and witness thought that he
did SO; irwin never promised 10 give MIN money
Regarding the OH IN tue House; there was no
arrangement between him aud witness, and the
latter never mentioned money to IRWIN the
money was gratu,ty; witness did not solicit any
member of Congress To vote for the bil never
asked the support OF any member; was
the sIn iw, Wss M tn
habit OF calling members out: this occurred every
day with persons havIn! business with the House.
witness repeated that the money was gratutty
did not expect TO receive money from anybody
was not IN the habit o. receiving such large Qratu-
tiles; ne mad received in anonymous letters vari-
GUS small sums-S5 or $40 occasionally.
ELEvEN THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR HERsEY. ~
a messenger In the Forty. second Congress and r.
ceived from Albert $ll,o00; he had been attentive
aud courteous to Irwin and brought him around
10 me House; Colonel Bee came here opposing the
Subsidy; IRWIN or somebody else asked witness 10
take notice OF persons with whom bee conversed.
WHICH ne did: Albert asked witness 10 come TO his
room. where he received the money; he re-
tanned ali oil II; there was no understanding that
II should be paid 10 anybody else; witness knew
Albert previous To receiving the money; had ire
quenty received $50 or 500 for like services; he
did not speak to any member ON the subject OF
the subsidy; rhe money was unexpected, and
therefore proved an agreeable surprise; II was
PAID IN currency; he thought IN oils oil the de-
OF the House OF Representatives.
o. J. Averlil sworn and testined:-He was In
Washington during portion OF the Forty second
Congress; he came here to Introduce an excavator
which, he thought would be useiul-Qaugnter) -
and also machine ior making icks; he ana NOS
was IN TWINS room; gentleman there said IT.
win had Just gone. and handed MIN the money; he
made an arrangement with Irwin by which
he was TO receive l00o; Stockwell wrote letter
TO Irwin, saying witness was good man for sucn
work as irwin wanted to be done; Irwin SAID
thar in view OF that fact. he had sent Albert to
the witness with card; Irwin remarked.
''MONEY HERE
Stockwell and himself had learned there was
money here to defeat the SUBSIDY. and they
wanted TO cneckmate such proceeding, and
SAID A. w. Randall, formerly Postmaster General,
now deceased, had the matter IN charge;
witness. after making an engagement with Irwin,
put himself in every possible cOuditlOn to know
what was going on; he talked To parties at the
merely q question as to winch mad the most money
the witness reported to Mr. Randall such inlOrma-
ton as ne received; he made his communications
to Mr.. Randall In memoi anda; he would tell Mr.
Randall who were here opposing the subsidy and
Mr.. Randall would then see such parties.
MONEY IN THE AIR
Money seemed to be in the air; everybody was
talking ABOUT it, he reported to Mr.. Randall as
many as orty times; witness did not know why he
HAD received more money than Randall he under.
stood Randall was authorized to deal with the
parties opposing the subsidy and get them ont OF
never spoke to member OF Congress or an Of1icer,
except IN an lnquirlng way. as TO tue prospects OF
the bill: he was never asked TO do So ne retained
the money Tor his own use.
EXPLANATION OF SHAW.
William 3. SHAW was sworn and testified He
had been Tor twenty-three or twenty-sx years q
newspaper correspondent: his residence was IN
Washington; knew Albert very well: saw Albert
the first session OF the Forty-secOnd Congress and
Albert paid him the money; could not say the ex-
act time. but 1t was in TWINS room; the $4,000
were for his services, &c. ne would state how he
became connected with this subject; ne was III
New YORK In October or November prior TO the
meeting OF Congress; went to henry Cews office !;
inOrma.
ton to Mr. Clews and Tor Ten years had oeen
operating III stocks aud god, Mr.. Clews always
understood the Pacific Mail Steamship Company
Was going to renew the application Tor subsidy;
Mr.. Cews replied he would be apt know,
because he was a director; witness said he was
glad to know It, because II the Postmaster General
na basno oe eoSa sa %
had no objection TO repeat the conversation
to Mr.. stockwell, and that witness wanted
Mr.. S.Ockwell and informed witness he could COM
municate with him; witness asked Mr.. Stock.
well to buy stock Tor him; Mr.. Stockwel replied
that he mad already given directions to that
enect-several hundred shares at that, worth 48
or SO; Mr.. Clews SAID Mr.. Irwin would have charge
IS q CLERK in the War Department; vii.
when was m New YORK ana win see YOU com:
tod him 70 GO to MI. AOert. who paid
s hons. 1 with 1s money he ns ead hi Ii. ass;:
anu losses ON stocks In otner directions; he had
lost outside on his own hooX no sum was agreed
upon beforehand; witness gave Albert q receipt
Tor Inc whole amount; did not pay Q dollar to any
memoer or orlcer oil the House; there was no ar
rangement that ne should dlsburse the money he
mad never carried stocks lor any member he was
never asked TO influence members; he had, how.
ever, asXed members how they thought the thing
THE FACTS WE'RE INTERESTING
to himself; lie had asked men VI prominence, how
1 iylia ha - m
Iavor OF ALI subsidies, as ne might make purchases
and realize good deal OF money he gave to par.
ties interested procuring the subsidy what they
regarded as very important Information.
large bear movement headed by Daniei Drew, was
asked whether he knew OF the payment OF any
money to influence any member or officer OF
mot collar" He further replied that he
Obtained Information from the committees
was ra%npu IN ase d,reca,en cndre h
kept his irlenos we'll posted. Witness was asked
whether that was the practice with mis- profession.
oeen doing II Tor tweive years with Clews Co..
TIE IMMACULATE CLEwS CO.,
who paid hlm In money or by carrying stock for
him; ne would telegraph Ms brokers 70 buy him
gold on the information sent; he considered the
Information worth all he could get. He repeated
that ne ola not labor with any member to pro.
The committee adjourned till tomorrow morn.
ing.
DoNN Plat wnIGGIIN0 OUT
The money paid bonn Piatt, as sworn to py
Charles Albert Irwin says had nothing whatever
to do with the Pacific hall Subsidy; that Piatr
fought the subsidy from first to last IN person and
In his paper but he and Irwin we're Old frienos,
and alter the subsidy was granted ne loaned Pratt
the money $4,000 when he has since Deen re-.
paid. The letter from irwin stating these facts,
the money to Piatt through Charles Albert he put
his friend In this awkward connection, as the
TRANSACTION had no reference to the subsidy.