New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-05-06
NO ADVICE BY Mr.. BEECHER THAT TILTON
BE DISCHARGED.

Mr.. FullertOn-Will you answer, Mr. B0wenT
| Tho Witness ito tho stenographer)-Read the qles
| ton.
The Tribune stcnographer read the question as FOL
| lows:
'What advice II any did Mr. Henry Ward Beecher give
you on the Monday following Christmas December 1870
when you delivered this letter with reference to the
discharge OF Theodore TtOn from his position ON me
| independently
| The Witness-Shall answer that, your Honori
Judge Neilson-The objection Is to the word adVicr'
1t depends upon tho opinion and construction
| Of the witness.
Mr.. Fuerton-Well. Sir, shall omit that word, tenf
Judge NesOn-YOu had better
| Mr. Fullerton-what If anything. said by Mr.
Beecher in that with reference to the dis
charge OF Mr. Tton from his position at that time on Inc
independently A. Shall answer that
Judge NcilsOn-Yes.
The witness-NOne whatever.
Mr. Fullerton What If anything was said upon the
subject OF his retention as editor OF The Brooh mon
at that tmei A. don't recOlect that anything import
ant was said regard his remaining on The Brooklyn
Union 1t might have been alluded to, but have no IT,
membrance Of ANYTHING definite stated about it.
O. Was anything said in reference to his fitness Tor
the position contributor editor OF either one OF those
papers A. Nothing whatever, according To my recoec-
ton.
O. Did you to Nj Beecher upon that occasion any
why You requested the neryiew at Dir Freeahds
house A. That it might DO private
@ Was any one present during that interview A NO
|
O. I will ask you this general question now Mr..
Bowen whether anything was said by Mr. Beecher at
that interview you which influenced you in any degree
whatever in the action which you subsequently took
with reference 10 Mr.. TitOnf
Mr Eyarts-That object TO.
Judge Neson-We cannot take that.
Mr. Porter-They asking for the effect upon his
| action Of words not stated.
Mr. Beach-Will your Honor please consider moment
whether we cannot provo that Mr. Beocher said or did
nothing which operated produce the discharge OF MT
| Tion from his business association with Mr.. Bowehf
Judge Neson-You can prove he said and did nothing
calculated to lead to that result but going beyond that
calls in the operation Of this witnesses mind
| Mr. Beach-Very well, Sir. Dir. Beecher has over and
over again. with repeated emphasis said that ne was
afflicted and stricken from the fact that he mad
Influenced in degree Mr. Bowen to discharge THOR
from his employment. He that expression, Sir ne
! himself swears that he exerted that influence
| upon Bowen and may we not inquire rom MI
| Bowen. tho party who was influenced, whether MI
Beecher at any time said or did anything winch lhhu
enced him In his treatment of Mr.. Tnton or In his dis
charge Of riltODi
Judge NcilsOn-n it was calculated TO influence hin
you can ask him.
Mr.. Eyars-That in our view is perhaps even more
! Objectionable
Mr. Beach, should suppose it would be-
NeilsOn-The only Op]ecuOn I'd 1"eS'iVH IN
that il calls for the operation OF this witnesses mind
! Mr. Beach-very well. Sir Mr.. Beecher has testified
in regard to the operation upon his mind by his own ac
ton He says he did operate upon Mr. Bowen, and did
! influence Mr.. Bowen
! Mr.. Evarts-Wheref
Mr. Beach-Ovcr and over again. some twenty Times III
| the course Of his testimony.
| Mr. Eyarts lin a loud vOcel-Wheref
| Mr. Beach (excitcdly Look for it and find it,
Mr. Fvarts-Ah! Laughter That is not the way to
dispose of IT,
Mr. Beach-Yes it is the way to dispose OF IT, am
talking to the intellect and the recollection OF this judge
who knows that that thing said over and over again.
and If your Honor Is willing TO SIT nero am "ns "
look up the evidence.
Mr. Fuerton-Your Honor will recOlect the letter that
he said he wrote Mr. Bowen the next day, where he
spoke Of the influence
Mr. Evarts-Let us that Well. we have produced
evidence. and produced 1t in proper shape. Now II
you want show whether or not ne did say anything 10
| influence, show what they said.
| Mr. Porter-And let the jury Judge.
Mr. Evarts-Tho jury will judge whether it influenced
! him.
Mr. Blackwell, Mr.. Beccher judged from the eff
| feet
Mr. Evarts-He had right to, and he thought it did in
| fuence him.
Mr. Bcach-Well then we nave rlSH1 ~ hho" "hct4o4
| Il did influence him.
Mr. Evarts-What difference does 1t make whether Mr..
Peecber was mistaken or not what he said having in
nuenced hml
Mr. Pcach-It makes good deal OF difference.
| M Eyarts-Not the least.
Mr. Beach-wen. we will see about that by and by.
! Mr. Evarts-Mr Beecher told him something, ana ne
| DISCHARGED him the next day
| Mr Morris-He says not.
| Mr. Eyarts-He told him something.
Iudre Neson-Of course you at liberty to examine
ths witness as TO everything that took place between
him and Mr. Beecher, for tho purpose OF correction OF
| what we have before us.
| Mr. Blackwell, II Mr. Beecher testified
| Iud,e Neilson-To the influencing. That was his
opinion or impression he might be mistaken in that
Mr. geach-That was fact He testified to it fact,
| Sir.
| Judge Neilson-It was his conclusion.
Mr. Beach-Mos certainly. 1t is his conclusion from his
n acttons but he presented his evidence fact
which he gave as the motive for certain manifestations
on his part
Judge Neilson-wel. you inquire as 10 the fact.
Mr. Blackwell, the fact is the influence Mr. Beecher
| saws he influenced Mr.. Bowen.
| Mr. POrter-Find that
| Mr. Evarts-where does he say that.
Mr. Blackwell, the gentleman probably will gain
some information by repeating his question. referred
him 10 the evidence when he asked before, and re-
| peat the reference.
| Mr. Evarts-rhat is not proper reference.
| Mr. Beach-Yes, Sir 1t is proper reference
Mr. Evarts-Look at the letter. Ine Iet'cr pans IoI
itself.
| Mr. Beach, refer you TO that
Mr. Fvarts-wel look at the letter.
Mr. Beach-f you want II get it.
Mr. EvartsI don't want 20 be told. Sir over and over
again that when Mr. Beecher has stated what he said 70
the witness to influence him, and confined himself TO that
they ask this witness whether IL did influence him
with the view Of contradicting Mr.. Beecher.
Mr. Beach-You have not been told that once yet
Mr. Fvarts-Heaven only knows what influenced him
He left the interview, and he turned Mr. Titon IA,
next day.