The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-01-31
PACIFIC MAIL.

vince 1871 q director OF the faclnc MAIL oteaHs"ip
Company, was recalled and explicitly contradcted
hne statements made by Mr.. IRWIN last wednes-
Aay, imputing to him some knowledge OF Mr.. IT.
WINS employment by Mr.. Stockwen, and Mr..
urWin,s receipt or expenditure OF money
WHAT THE DIRECTORS KNEW.
In response 20 q series OF questions witness
Jurther testified that wnen StOckwell proposed 10
ahe Executive Committee the resolution authorlz-
ung him (StocKweilI to employ counsel and ex-
pend such money as might be necessary TO pre-
sent the case IN Washington he Smith re-
marked to him, "You can't expect 10 expend
more than $1,000 on this authority" and Stock
well replied that the expenditure contemplated
ny him might be $4,000 or $4,000, but would GER
sainly not exceed $40 600. and that this would be
paid out for counsel lees, hotel bills the prepara'
AIon OF statistics, &c; Stockwell repeated these
statements TO the Board OF Directors, and II was
with this understanding that the action OF the
Executive Committee was ratified 10y them any
and all other expenditures were made entirely
without The knowledge or consent oil the Board OF
Directors or, as far as witness knows, or any one
Drthem.
WHAT THE sERogANr-Ar-ARNs KNOWS.
N. G. Ordway, sergeanE-at-Arms OF the House OF
Representatives., was then sworn, and beng
asked by the Chairman If he had anything TO
ahrow ngnt on TINS investigation produced al MS
Books Tor the years 1871 and 1872 and proceeded TO
make q statement substantially iollows:-He
was OF the opinion chat his deposit ledgers should
be considered and treated precisely as a bankers
aedger. and that investigating commit tees should
desgnate the accounts wnicn the evidence de-
Veloped seemed 10 point instead OF overhauling
the accounts OF everybody. BuI, aside from this
general question OF propriety ne had no obJec-
plete record OF every financial transaction in
his Office. In order TO assist the committee
he had made a careful examination OF every credit
70 members OF Congress during the months OF
May and June 1872, and iound that only thirteen
members mace deposits OF any sums during those
mn he m N y n
seen deposi.ors only Two were credited with more
inan $500. and that neither OF these two members
voted ior the Pacific Mail subsidy. He did not md
SINGLE entry OF $1,000 10 the credit OF any men,
Der during those two months, and OF the other
aepOsitors the amounts ranged rom 500 TO
$500 and we're mostly drafts deposited In the reg
MAR course OF business Tor collection; he there
1ore stated in the most positive manner that TO
the best OF his knowledge and belef the books OF
The Sergeant-at-Arms VIII not disclose anything
that will aid in the investigation now before the
ways ana Means COMMITTEES. The committee
were, however, at perfect liberty 10 examine the
books Tor themselves.
Mr. Ordway also swore that there has never
been, to his knowledge. one dollar OF money paid
once 70 influence legsistion during the eleven
years he has been IN office. In additional vertical
non Of his statements n he quoted the ses.l-
given before the Credit Mooilier Committee, to
tne eject that there had never been any money
received ana discussed In the Sergeantat-Arms'
ONCE, except in the open way shown by the books,
and also suggested that his present 0ookkeeper
De examined on the same points.
IRWIN REcALLED.
Richard B. Irwin was then recalled and having
asked for a reading OF Smiths testimony TINS
morning. concerning their interview, declared
That according to ms recollection every word IN
ms tIrwin's) testimony was strictly true. He
thought he had told smith enough 10 enable him
10 follow up the matter.
The Chairman then informed Irwin that the
committee had, at Its meeting yesterday, decided
10 allow Mr.. CLARK Bell, counsel Tor the Pacific
NAL steamship Company, to ask him SUCH ques-
III ms as they might md unObjectlOnable
Mr.. Beck expressed surprise at this permission,
and said II he had been present at the meeting he
Ia A 4 LAP
MT Ben then asked Irwin large number OF
questions, among them what ne wrote TO Stock
well 70 draw out and what he sand In MS letter oi
The 9th OF February
badly related TO tue subsidy business, there
no statement regarding the terms or the amount
February from SJockwel irwin replied to him
next day. saying ne should want 100000;
asked stock well $780, and received $3.50 900
and he not only obtained this but the remainder
ofthas amount In addition TO $l5O,Oo0; his under
Standing was, from conversations with Stockwell.
that stockwell was TO pay the expenses IN WASH
besween the time OF the passage Of the Oil and
The award OF the contract for carrying the mails
20 the Pacific Mail steamship Company but the
agreement between stockwell and himself was
not that Stockweil should pay out oil ms owl
more than $4,000; at the time OF MS CONVEX.
ration with sIockweh on the 23d oil
agreed upon, although the bill had not finally
passed its passage was on the 21th or 2sth OF
MAY, and IL received the Presidents signature
Inc LIST or 20 OF june; but stockwell did not wait
Tor the bill to become law, as the subsidy was
secured, out he PAID the money demanded.
Mr. Dawes asked Irwin what be meant ov stat
tnQ that the Postmaster General would be q bold
man 10 award the contract II the money had not
been paid by Stockweh. Irwin replied, a
previous day, that If the money mad not been pad
those disappointed IN not receiving II would have
procured an investigation as TO tue means by
which the subsidy was obtained.
The committee then TOOK recess till two O'Clock.
AFTER RECESS
After Beck resumed the examination
=. OF MI. IRWIN, VINO, among ether thngs, said he
had prepared a statement OF his expenditures for
NJ, stockwell, but winch he (olockwe had
never seen; that statement. If now In existence.
was eIIher at his house or ONCE in san Francesca:
twas a separate piece OF paper he could not
say he could produce The paper: Stockwen told
INN in Europe he had returned $4,000 to The
q In your former testimony yon stated you
Paid money to gentleman whose name not
,nclrded IN the list you furnished VINO was he
A. LwOQ.d prefer not answer but Will II The
committee 80 decide.
usEFuL CAPTAIN BRADgrRy
Mr.. Dawes thought the witness should snswer
when he did by saying he pail Captain Bradbury
fi00 0 he paid MN S2vOo before s.. 900 after
tne Subsidy bill passed; Bradbury was employed
~ MIN
Any service callca lot; he WAS m New YORK aud
washington alternately, and advised with me on
business; more ON other business than on the
% ru0slay, for at tnat time ne ttrwIn, still nad
oearge OF the san Francisco Mail steemsnip
asency; Bradbur, aid anything required;
a part OF the $4,000 heretofore referred
70 10 several other persons whose names
isc did not remember; the entire sum was
spent, however, including travelling printing
stationery, hotel expenses, &C. In further reply
10 qpestiOns IRWIN SAID ne l. NOT employei in the
ESTABLISHMENT OF a new line OF steamers OF which
captain Bradbury n PRESIDENT he had received
n0 money or promise OF money rom nim or tue
irwin was paving ms own expenses
q. Have you had auy interview with representa- J
islves o. the rival liner A. simply want say
That know OF no opposing line but n YOU LndI-
Gale INDIVIDUALS Will reply.
An INTERVIEW WITH JAY GOCIn.
"a knn mad II
n have had interviews with MIN.
u - Jaf 6oulJ = director ID the Continental 4
lines OF raA wayy A. think so.
u DID ne not tell you about lire OF steamers !
RON san Francisco Japan A. Ne ssid ne was /
70 Interested.
" rhat GA you say 20 him as % the character i
~ TIE testimony you CoUld furnisn 20 this com.
nittet A. | sam would state oil knew but 2
would not give names: IN mrthsr answer 20 IN
nnrlck ne sald called on MnfalaY Reld ms |