The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-04-08

ADVICE was.
O Did you receive advice from variety OF peo
9. what part ala you take. and with whom. on
should be made y A. With Mr.. noulton prlnci-
pally, and also with mr.. Tracy.
Q. When did you sec Mr.. Moulton and whereS A.
saw him at his house: 10 may have been tnat
evening or the next day.
o Was Mr. Triton present at that time a:
No. DO not think MI. Tilton was present at that
time.
o. What was the conversation you had with Mr..
have any doubt IN his own mind at all on the mat
ter, and his counsel TO me wa, rom first to last,
TO treat II with contemptuous silence.
TRACY COMES IN.
O. Was Mr. Tracy connected with Mr. Monitor
In any way in this conference A. You asked me
whether had counsel with Mr.. Tracy; II you read
the question Will tell you now.
~aS ~ ntSar 1eo0s and not Win
Mr.. MoultonS A. Not with Mr. Moulton' but with
others.
q. When next II at all, was the question OF an
answer TO be made discussed or the policy OF
silence TO be maintained A. | can't give the
details; It was thing tnat was agreed on at once;
this was within week or ten days, ana there
were various conferences and conversations be-
tween me, Mr.. Moulton and Mr.. Tilton IN regard
to II, all OF them recommending silence.
O. When did any interview with Mr.. Tilton take
placer A. On his return from his New Hampshire
q. Where dld the conversation between you ana
him take place A. In Mr.. Moulton's study IN the
morning; he came there very much excited.
O. We're you there when Mr.. Tllton came ? A.
think was; think was there with Mr. Moulton
when Mr.. Ttlton came In.
O. Before Mr.. Tlton came in was there any con-
vefsatlon between you and Mr. Moulton A. II
there was / do not recall any; Mr.. Moulton de-
nounced the publication with indignation, and de-
clared that he should wherever he went deny it
tent about it; ne took me by the hand and. /
think, by both hands, and authorized me IN his
famous and atrocious falsenood; tine question OF
making TINS contradiction IN the public papers
was something different; 1t was understood that
we should refrain from publication.
O. AS part oil TINS Interview or conference
was any thing said by you IN regard to your wish
or preference for denialY A. i SAID / was pre-
pared to make written denial II IL was thought
best, but tnaJ it was denial that ought to come
from me, MIR. Moulton and Mr. Tton as all OF US
were implicated in the statement
O. How was that proposition received by those
gentemenY A. Tney TOOK IL into CONSIDERATION.
O. That was the substance Of tnat interview
A. Yes; II there was to be any card II was re-
served as matter for further consideration.
O. How soon thereafter was there anything said
or done on the subject matter OIL the cards A.
cannot say exactly-in November or December;
Unere was pressure that led Mr. Mouton to re-
open the question whether something might not
be 9o aono an ae way saw
q. Was there any agreement tnat there should
be pupncatonf A, me agreement was accord
ing to the original purpose, 10
LET THE THING DIE.
O. Now, at this interview you have spoken OF,
40 you recall any further interview between these
two gentlemen. or either OF them, on the subject
OF the publication or denial OF 1t ? A. 1t was
matter or conversation every time We met; how
often we met then cannot say.
O. 30 You remember IL was subject OF conver-
"A.
Yes; told them what was said TO me about the
publication, and they told me what was said TO
them in regard to IL IN their various perambula-
tions; we Undertook to form Judgment concern
ing 1t | deferred TO Mr.. MoultonS Judgment on
the matter; deferred to nls Judgment generally,
o. Following the publication OF the Woodruff
matter. was there at any time conclusion
arrived at to make public responseS A. There
Was something tnat understood, atnrst, to mean
that, but was mistaken.
q. Now, sir, at either OF those interviews at
wnicn Mr. Tllton was present ala this occur-"Mr.
Beecner said the best thing 10 be done was to say
nothing on the subject; that II any denial was
made il would provoke the Woodhuns TO publish
the statement IN some other form, aud that II 1t
was denied once IL would nave 10 oe denied asaln
two or three times, or great many timesr DO
you remember anything OF that kind occurring
A. No, sir; remember something AKIN TO 1t; all
/ SAID was thls-that we mad 10 make up our
minds that, II we had 10 go into a denial OF
part, IL would nave 10 De followed up, not OF this
o. NOW SIR do you remember expressing an
opinion at any OF those conversations that you
SAID you mad changed your mind with regard 10
having anything TO say TO that publication and
that you SAID YOU thought Tilt0n ought to publish
a card and. prepare q card A. | always thought
from the fst that II IL to be done At all 1t Was
not Tor me alone to do 1t; that MI. Tllton should
DO 1t In defence or his lamily.
q. Now, SIR, do you remember any conversation
on the subject between you IN which you expressed
yourself IN tnls way-tnat inc time wnen silence
served had Iasseo-tnat so many demanus
were made on you BY Jour friends tue
and then that you advised q scheme OF tas KIND.
Now suppose we made an appeal to the sentiment
reputable paper say the New York tribune would
publish, saml-officialy, statement saying tn re
was some ground IoT ars: Wooahuips story, and
written and retracted, lt need not be signed by
our own names Well, 4 wlil be said, there IS
something IN the woodruff story winch Bowen
has rctracted.n DID anything OF that KIND occur
on your suggestion or advice A. Not one solitary
thought or word OF that Is mine; IL Is nctlon.
Mr. Evarts-Now, you nave q card which Is in
evldence-tne proposed denunciatIon oil the Wood
null. What Is the number OF tnatr
Mr.. Morrls-No. %.
BY Mr.. Eyarls-Is that among them9 A. don't
know, sir: what Date IS III
q. No date 10 1t. 1t Is In December, 1872,
think somewhere about there, or November, 1872.
Tnere, there, sir, there Is. A. Wen, what DO
Q. will call your attcnt ion 70 it, and then will
ask you cues ton. Do you remember about that
part as coming upp A. Yes, SIR.
q. AS proposed for consideration at some one
OF these lGteryleWsf A. Not THIS card, out re-
member cards.
O. Well were there various cardsf A. Yes. sir;
that Is TO say, conversation arose In Mr. Moul-
toms room, and tnlnE Mr.. luton wasn't present,
aud said TO AIR Mouton, 1T seems to me Mr..
Hilton VIII never get quit OF this matter so long
he mas among good people the reputation OF De.
nevlng In THESE women or in their doctrines, and
my idea OF delrerance Is by glorious and manly
act to cue himself loose from tnem;n Mr. Moulton
seemed To be struck with IL and said, "Well.
suppose you draw up something, sucn as you
mean ~ sKetcned two or three forms-tcntatIye
forms-and one, thought, was very good, but IL
Q. Is that yours A. can't say, sir; made
two or taree niue oeglnnings and they we're I'M
mcnt liked better, aud that was proposed and
declined.
q. Now IN reference to- viii read this card.
Dir. norris-Nhat Is the number OF thlsy
Mr.. Eyart--No. I will read tnIs little ole d.
Tue NItness-I don't know whether tnis Is one
or those beginning cards or not. sir.
Mr.. Evarts named a paper 70 the witness.
The WttnesS-I think that this Is the nrst ide
when Ii occurred to me.
q. That Is your wrItlngf A. Yes, SIR, and /
wrote 1t on leaf and that gave rise to some thing
more, until there was something that grew.
q. Now tue point am coming at IN reference
TO tnis statement 'ln an unguarded enthusiasm
hopei well and much OF one who mas proved ut
terry unprincipIsd / snail never again notice her
stories, and now utterly repudfate ner statements
made concerning me ana mlnen That was pro-
posed TO Ue signed by Mr.. Tllton, supposef A.
Yes, sir
z. Now did Mr.. Triton. In reference to that card
and as an objection TO It's being published by him,
say TO you that you knew it was not an unguarded
enthusiasm That led him (Mr. Titonl TO Mrs.
W00dnurs, but be went there Tor the purpose or
hrInCLng his family and M M nLl and Mr. Eencher