New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-13
TIE CARPENTER CARD.

HE CAhll-N CahDs
O. The card was brought to you, wasn't 1t I
A. Tho contents OF this familiar to me, and suppose
this to be the paper that was brought TO me.
O. DO you know the handwrngi A. do not
Mr.. Evarts-I don't know whether lTo Mr.. Morris
Has it been statedi
Mr. MOrTis-Yes
Mr. Evarts-I has been stated believe 10 be in Mr..
Carpenters handwriting Mr. Frank Carpenters Now,
will read this wish TO ask yOu questions about 1t;
This church and community are unquestiunaby and
justly interested, throngh tho recent HIbhyalinn Wy
Theodore ron Ill answer TO DE- LEONARD bacon u Ne"-
II is true that have committed an oYense AGAINST
Theodore Ton, and giving to that onnse the force OF
his construction, made an apology and tparaon sncn
both he and al the time declared nm ana necessary t
/ am conTinced that Mr. I1on has been goalea 10 his
defense by Misrepresentation or or
position toward him sha ncy ha pe ca p oyor TO y
settled between Theodore Thton and myself,
believes that it is due to it hat should reopen this al
ready painful subject, or resign, VIII reslgn.
know IA God givcs me the power to jude OF myself
that am better fitted today, through trials and cLasten
ing, to do good, than have over been
There il an occasional change of ink hero. j don't
know whether 1t appears whose handwriting thai Is
consulting with Mr.. Morrs] Now, Cir, with that be-
fore you what said by Nh MOuon in regard to It's
publication by y0ui A. don't remember much about
what was said that first evening. Sir My mind was rum
ming on other things and Mr. MOulton had his plan, and
had dismissed from my mind his gencralsiip, and yet
my personal relations very cordial and my conf
wish In any way hurt him. to be indifferent to what
he really seemed to mo to be aborng to accomplish yet
my mind set had come To the end, and meant 10
have no more intermediate stages and therefore, when
this first brought TO my notice, said, ~ VIII consider
il; will tGket il into consideration" That so far Az
recolect was the first interview substantially.
O. Now, can you tx the date Of this interview A. II
can easily be fixed; cannot in my memory tx 1t |
have got 1t in my pocket.
Mr.. Eyarts Ito Counsel well, has 1t been fixed
Mr.. Morris-I am moi sure.
Mr. Evarts-June 20 said to have been fixed Is that
so, Judge MOrrisi
Nj. Shearman-The bacon letter. was puDhsheu
Thursday, June IS.
Mr. Evarts-Wcl, It was Immediately following tho
publication of the "Bacon letter." IT. A. II was
[Refcrring TO memorandum II was on Friday evening,
June g. according to my memorandum Of dates.
O. The Bacon letter" published on tho 2jth, 1t is
said. and suppose correctly. A. Yes Sir.
O. You took this card did you, to consult with friends
A. Yes, Sir
O. How soon thereafter did you have any interview on
tho subject Of the card Its publication A. cannot
fix the precise time Sir, but it was not far of
O. What further passed between you and Mr..
Mouton in regard to this card and its publica-
ton and what could be done or woud be done
n YOU assented to it, A. At later-at some interview
later, Mr.. MoutOn urged me very strongly; as
recalled the conversation 1t was substantially this, that
Mfr ltn had bound himself in the presence Of witnesses
If would publish that statement that he would be con-
tent himself and Mr. MOulton said II would publish that
statement he woud burn every document that he had,
and that If Mr. On undertook 10 move again In
the matter he would take sides with mo and fight him.
he expressed himself very strongly think the word he
said, ho would smash" him.
O. Did he say to you anything in regard TO the power
that he had over MI Tiltoni A Yes, Sir; many many
times, he said: al have that can grind him TO
POWDER" he said mperatively OF his contr o over Mr.
Tilton.
Q Well, what was your answer in regard to your
signing publishing that card A. would never sign
a card after the " Bacon letter. with that equv0cal
olenso In It,
O. Well, yon told him that you wOnld not did youl A.
l told him that would not and I did not.
O. Wen, what was the end Of the matter about that
card and about its publication Was there anything
ther about 1t the subject renewed and pressed
any wayi A. cannot say definitely. There was STILL
up the very sessions Of the Investigating Committee
or less of an effort the part OF Mr. Moulton TO
accommodate matters. lie thought that the publication
OF the letter had not brought things necessarily
crisis thought had, and he, with great assduity
and vehement zeal, thought that there could be way
struck out between extremes by which could all go
clear, at that stage. said could not-that the
thing must he tried now and looked into the bottom.
q Was this card intended proposed for newspaper
publication for reading to your church. otherwise
present ng TO this Committed A. don't know that the
particular mode Of issuing II matter OF considera
ton ] don't remember anything about 1t. In form 1t
looked rather Ike beng read TO the church, but did
not particularly regard IN any way-that Is did not
give thought to IT, except that the opening phrase
ology bar to It's being used BY me In any
way.
Q. Now, Mr. Beechcr do you remember anything about
this card OF this kind Mr. Moulton says that lac sub
United that paper " the consideration VI Nj Tracy YQQp