New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-27

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q, Vol A. The substance OF the language that
Mr.. rion about starting paper. aud that when he
had started this paper he should this in the in
tereSt of body, which should take In or embrace
all OF the spritualiss OF which Mrs. Woodruff was the
head and they would unite the two papers and them
both TO express the radical views OF what they supposed
10 bc the greater part of the community ut large and
don't know whether IL was at that time other
time they spoke Of
O. Well, want confne Il TO that time let get all
OF that time A. Well that time have given you all
the idea and substance that they TO unite the
two papers and 10 them the organs OF new party
which should take the spiruasts. the spirituasts
were 10 he the leaders In there hope in the other
parties OF doing anything
@ No hope for the counryl A. don't know whether
II was for the country. or for the leaders.
q Oh, or the politioiansi A. The politicians.
q Now, wasn't there something said about the name
OF the partyi A. NOSir
Q. Well. they were to found partyi A. No, Sir;
nothing said about tho party about founding party,
or about name for a party.
O. Well there something said about founding
new party' A. No. Sir not founding a party. hut
that this should be the Of paryI was about
70 tell you that they continuing apparently
@ don't want anything abou that. A. am talking
about this they apparently continuing converse
ton which they had begun the front office, which did
not hear.
Mr.. Beach-wel, madam. don't want your judgment
about that
Mr.. Eva-ts-That IA her observation
Mr.. Bcach-No, Sir
The witness-Ism not endeavoring TO cover up any
thing want 10 give the exact truth AZ know how,
and IA far "a know it.
@ oh. don't doubt you ers Can you give me any
thing which said which led you to the FUSION
that they were continuing conversation c--mcnced
elsewhere, \. No, Sir; I could not it is only my i'm
preston.
Q Your imrressiOnY A. Not clairvOyani impression.
either.
@ Well didn't they MITIGATE in some form the party
designation that to be assumed II A. No. Sir.
q. There was to he party fornsd' A. Yes. Sir.
Q. A you understood A hal understood it before;
it had been talked Of for weeks
Q. Wait Que moment; am not asking you for any
thing that had been asking for this is this the con
versation that you related 60 Bir shearman your
direct examinationi A. I don't remember; I should
have to know what my direct examination was; there
was 80 much OF it that cannot remember.
q. There was not 40 much oft: he called your atten
ton 10 conversation which this question OF the estab
shment OF The Golden Ce wasspoken o.. A. II I'M
derstood Mr. shearmans question: it wasn't of any one
particular time supposed several different times
was not conscious that he asking me for any one
particular time.
q. You have given what occurred at that con-
verston do you ccoilect anything you had heard from
them upon the subject before that conversational A.
ticular tune: I cannot tell.
O. Do you recolect anything else that said. either
before atierward upon that subiec : A You have
talked long that have forgotten what the subject was
Won speaking OF.
O. 1t was the subject Of the establishment OF The Golden
ge aud formation " party that was to supplant all
other parties Of the countryl A. IL was hardly the
forming OF party: IT really taking up or gath
ering up all the best elements OF both parties.
O. consolidation Of all the scattered elements Of par
ties. A. Yes and especially of the Spritualists
O. Under the lead OF the sprtualistsi A. Yes. Sir.
@. with Mrs Woodruff the leader A. Mrs. Wood
hull and MI TiltOn the leaders.
Q. They to unite as leadersi A. Yes. they were
% be united
O. And they were 70 combine their papersi A. Yes,
Sir
O We're they to amalgamate them' A. think not;
think to admire the other and the other 10
admire the
O. sort OF mutual admiration societyi A. think 80
they were mutually to sustain each Other.
O. How long had The Woodhuu 4 OiaJi,n Weekly been
established then A. don't know anything about that
O. Had you read it beforei A. Yes. Sir
O. How long had you been in the habito reading it'
A. had in the habit Of reading it very much;
it not habit.
O. Only an occasional inspection Of iti A. Yes, Sir.
Q Mr. TtOn wanted you 10 become an agent OF this
new cnterprisei A. Yes, Sir.
q. What business you engaged In thenf A. Ny
stocking -suspenders.
Q. You declined that employment 4. Yes, Sir did;
had enough business OF my 20 attend to- Twas in
need Of agent myself.
O. Before the establishment Of this Goden Age under
stood you there conversation about the
proof or you the proof of Che Woodruff article as 1t
WAS pubishedi A. Before the establishment Of The Col
dem A0ei No, Sir.
O. when WAS it, A. II was before the punishment of
the card not proof OF it al ali; il not the proof;
Mrs Woodruff the card which appeared in The
Nen York World
O. That was the May cardi A. Yes, Sir.
@ May OF what year ti A. May OF 1871, sup
pose; whenever the card out cannot tell the
year: whenever the year was-lS7lr without any doubt
O. [ understood You to any that she showed you the
proof OF the scandal 4. Yes Sir but that was later
O. When was that A. That about two months
before went into my house In Twenty-seventh-st.
went in there the lst OF May no. it the 10TH OF
April; didn't go into my house in May went in on
the 18th OF April and 1t some weeks before this that
Mrs Woodruff only showed it to me- but saw it two
or three different times.
O. The proof OF the scandal IL was afterward pub
shedf A. 1t might be exactly as 1t was published
o. But the substance OF the thingl A. The substance
of the woodruff BeecherTilton scandal.
O. You mean printed Office proof A. mean print
ing like newspaper proofs-ke a. newspaper printed
Oh
O That must have been when A. It was in 1872
O The early mart OF March, 1921 A suppose it
about two months before | went to my house think
two months, perhaps ak weeks.
@ February or March 1871 A. Yes. Sir; / think so
@ And the substance OF the article which afterward
appeared in The Woodruff CtdFia Weekly was what you
read in these proofsi A. Yes. slr.
O. They we're shown to you the proof from the Wood
hull & Clafin ofce A. don't know where they were
from she didn't tell where they were from
O. Where were they first showni A. The hrst ever
saw of them was back office, as gave II this morn
ing In my direct examination
% Tbese nroofs were public in the object A. Not at
all. they kent secret.