The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-01-10
Schumacher RECALLED
A Little More Light on the
Enigma.
One Member Who Was Offered
Bride.
IRWIN IN PRIS O N

ID. II,
Quested the committee to give him an opportunity,
before responding. to 60 over TO Baltimore and
consult Mr.. Reverdy Johnson In person. lie said
he expected Mr.. Johnson, on full review Of the
case, would advise him that his lips are not scale
and that he could testify under the circumstances
without violation OF professional propriety. Be-
sides, there were relations existing between Wit
ness and the Irwin family which made him DESTROYS
not to testify unless compelled to by the House. II
the pressure was brought to bear, however, he
would answer fully and freely.
After some discussion as to the best means OF ar
ranging the matter 1t was finally decided that I'M
less the witness answered the questions by twelve
O'Clock Monday he should be reported to the
House as in contempt.
The $lo0,Soo was the amount received by Mr..
Albert from Mr.. Irwin less $1s 500 returned by dc.
post to the credit OF Mr.. Irwin's account
ANOTHER OF IRwINs CHECKS
MT. RICHARD }. Capron. Of P. J. Capron 4 Co.,
na ON may
bankers, OF Washington city, a check for $4,000,
drawn by Richard Is. IRWIN. RENTED with sun dry
recollection as to the name OF the person In
whose favor the check was drawn.
Mr.. SCHUMAKER DfSCLOSES TRIFLE.
Hon. John G. Schumacher, being recalled, said he
had now obtained permission oil his client to make
certain statements. which he proceeded TO read
from manuscript. This written statement was TO
the effect that witness on May 2S, 1872. received
from Richard b. Irwin his check for $275,0OO. with
Instructions to have 1t broken up into number
OF smaller checks; he went 10 the American Elk.
change Bank TO get 1t certified; he did not meet
or see the Postmaster; the latter had nothing to
do with his business; he did not succeed in getting
1t certified, being unknown to the teller; on the
30th OF May the Brooklyn Trust Company broke up
subsequently, with the exception or about sic, 900
disbuised by his checks, and three checks for
$4,000 each being drawn on the Marine Bank
ana sent to the ONCE OF the Pacific Mail Company
on the same day MIR. Stockwell told him that the
ONCE OF the company was being
OvERRUN WITH PEOPLE
clamOrous to be cOmpe nSated Tor services they
pretended to have rendered In helping to secur 9
the increase OF the subsidy the company wanted
to get lid OIL this crowd and also desired to pay all
persons who had honestly assisted. They, there
fore, requested Mr.. Schumacher to carry check
had sufficient Information TO enable MIN to dstrib-
ute |: properly. Mr. Schumacher nesltated ABOUT
complying with this request, ana said ne would re-
member or officer OF Congress. Beng assured by
MIR. StOckwell that the company had employed no
such persons, and that the money was intended
for no improper purposes. Mr.. Scn1maKer took his
instructions. and IN accordance with them took
the check 10 Lyman Gilmore. He went first to Ell
mOre's offices IN New York, but learning he had
gone to Washington went over there himself that
night, and the next day rendered 1t to Eimore in
Washington. Mr. ElmOre SAID he
WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE MONEY,
and witness therefore got IL cashed by Riggs d
Co.. took the money 70 Elmore's room and there
TO person introduced by Elmore AS General
Smith witness had Oskno Wedge what was alter.
wards done with this money; he took no receipt
Tor 1t; was given no direction receive any.
z. suppose Mr. Stockweii should pass away and
you have no voucher to show that You did not put
would seem extraordinary that you neglected the
ordinary business precautionary A. Well, that's
what IS troubling me; that's what's The matter.
q. Did you feel that you were in an extraordi
DIsBURsER TO THE LOBBY.
q. Why? A. Because was being used to pay
lobbyists.
9. Was the person to whom you paid money
never saw the person before and never saw him
but once afterward.
THE WRITTEN STATEMENT CONTINUED.
All the checks, aggregating $4,000, which were
drawn by Schumacher against the balance OF the
s275, 900 were lett by Schumacher with the Brook
Mail Company's ONCE, together with the three
checks for $4,000 each; the instructions to Schu-
maker to have the s275,OOO check broken up were
given by StOckwell; no names were given, but
only a list OF the various amounts Tor which
smaller checks were desired; IN January or FEB:
at his request destroyed all his checks drawn
by himself which had been returned TO
HIM HIM BY the Trust IT,. Company witness at this
tives had ordered an Investigator Of this subsidy
matter; when. short time AT EDWARDS, he learned
StOckwels request and lelt that he had laid him
sell open to SUIT by the company Tor the recovery
OF this money; don't recoect single indOrse-
ment on MS checks except his own; IS under the
impression that there were no names written ON
any OF them except his own, but remembers that
bank stamps were on some OF them; witness COM
menced to be counsel for the Pacific Mail Steam
snip Company In 1871, when certain Injunction
suits were brought against the company IN Brook
lyn. and he came over TO Washington in the spring
Of 1872 at the request Of the company IN order to
explain TO the Committee on Commerce the nature
pany, statements IN regard 10 which were being
made here 10 its INJURY; witness mad no other con.
nectlon with the movement Tor the Increased SUBJ
sldy; he
TALKED WITH VARIOUS CONGRESSMAN
from time to time about one and another OF the
s0.caled Brooklyn suits against the company but
said nothing to any member OF Congress in ad-
vocacy of the subsidy; made no contracts with
any person and employed no one; he had no con.
message from him to Stockwell to the effect that
Irwin begged Stockwell TO stop sending on hOrdes
did no good, and could only embarrass TWINS
Efforts In behalf OF the movement.
A CAUTIOUS MAN OF BUSINESS.
witness, In response to numerous questions,
explained that he kept no books; never mad a
ledger; had not Tor years had a check book drew
cheeks anywhere; kept No records on stubs, ana
when ne wanted TO know hts bank balance always
had to ask the bookkeeper: at the time witness
undertook to convey TO Elmore the $4,000 check
iornia, AMI the request made by STOCK.
well did not seem Objectionable; 1t seemed
money to be properly disposed OF ana 10 go
through the hands Of people who would not steal
duced to him by Elmore as General Smith further
than by saying that he recOllected that he was q
good looking man; was rather dark; OF ordinary
size and With some beard.
ATTORNEY FOR TWO.
The witness was further Intercepted by Mr..
Roberts and others. MIR. Dawes asked witness. as
as he was attorney for the Pacific Mail steamship
Company, how happened IL that Irwin PAID MIN!
Witness sad he also became attorney for Irwin
In the TALL of 1871, and In addition to attending to
the subsidy he transacted other business Tor him
IN New York; ElmOre told witness the night be-
lore last that the smith who received the money
IRON him was the man OF that name who recently
died In Jersey city, General Morgan l.. smith.
THE MAIN QUESTION IN sTATU QUO.
Mr.. KassOn asked witness whether he had any
Information IL connection with his services IN
behalf or the subsidy, that any portion OF the
900 heretofore referred 10 went or was
directed to go to any member or officer OF the
Forty-sccond Congress. Witness replied he had
no such Information to which he could swear posi-
lively, and IN reply 10 question OF Mr.. Kelley the
witness said he mad no In formation tnat any clerk
or other emrl0ye Of the House received money.
The witness was further asked whether he had
knowledge that any moneys OF the company
other than the S275.O00 went to or were IN tended
to go to any member or officer OF the Forty second