New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-01-20
GEN. gUU,En SERVING WITHOUT FEE.

O. You disapproved and condemned Mr. beecher
calling Committee OF Investigation did you nof a. i"'u
him thought It might prove q mistake
And ycu refused his application to give him access 70 inc
Documents A. BY advice of counsel wrote nun the ''er
which did on August 4h
BY advice Of counsel, A. Yes SIR submitted his letter
Of July s4h which Mr. Tracy brought to my counsel
O. Were you in litigation at that hDes A. No, Sir.
O. Did you expect tc bet A. No. SIR.
O. Perhaps you mean then, your odviserf A. ADVISER
you choose that's what by my adviser had not re-
aind an, body as counsel had not paid anybodys counsel
fee a. lawyer
O, Who was it that advised you in that wsyi A. Ges.
When dd Won nrst confer with him, A. He wrote me
letter ON July goth or SDth adyising-
Judge Ncison-Dont state what no said.
Mr. Porter-was that the first Of Toar seeng him a.
That was the first had heard from him
O. Had you written to him beforef A. No. SIR; had not
written to him or communicated with him In any way before
about II.
O. Had he been your counsel In other maersf A. He had
been friend and adviser in the same sense as he WAS In tn
matter.
@ He had never been your counself A never PAD MN
a fee as awyer-never employed him as q lawyer.
G. Neither you your hrm' A. Ne. Sir
O. Had he been actively engaged with your affairs at wash
ingtonf A. No SIN don't think he was actively engaged
with our affairs at Washington
With your affairs at Custom Housed A. He had been
counsel for Mr.. Jayne against us in that business
That was the previous relation between you and him. A.
That was not relation between him and me- did not I'M
dersand the question In that way That was not the RELATION
between Mr. Butler and myseif.
O. lie had been counsel against you A. He was counsel
for Mr. Jayne; yes Sir Mr. Jayne was the special agent oil
the Treasury Department.
@ He counsel for your A NO. SIR exceptih the
sense of adviser.
O. And his friendly advice was while he Oounse against
your A No Sir there was no friendly advice when he was
counsel against us.
O. When did the friendly advice begin A The friendly sd
vice was on this between Mr. Beeche and Mr. Tton
in this controversy advice to me-
O. General ButeE is a personal friend OF yours he not'
A Yes, Sir.
Was he 80 at the time no acted counsel against you for
Mr. Jaynef A. No Sir Mr. Tlton introduced me TO Mr. But
ler never knew him before that personally closely
@. lie became your friend A. LIE became friendly to me,
certainly
Q Had you controversy with the Government at that time'
A. Yes. Sir; we did have.
O. Was he instrumental in etecng arrangement Of that
mattert A. Not that ever knew Of, Sir.
@ Nor Mr. Jayne A. Nor Mr. Jayne instrumental In effect
ing
@ Was he instrumental eectng It'll A. We settled with
could have settled except through Mr.
jayne.
@. Then be was A. Not for he was not instru-
mental
O. Have you known Mr. Jayne ever since that time, A. Yes
SIR.
@ Are you and he friends also'
Mr.. Beach-wat moment. We object to that
Judge Neison-I will rule it out PRESENT don't
that II is material at all.
Mr. PorterHaye you conferred with Mr. Jayne the subject
OF Mr. Beechers afairs A. have not conferred with Mr..
Jayne on the subject of Mr.. Beechets Affairs.
Judge Nelson Ito the witaessl-Say no.
O. You and he have had conversation about III A. Yes
Sir; we have had conversation about it,
@. HereY A. In New York.
O. Did yoa send for him with regard TO IL! No. Sir;
don't think sent for him
ever for Mr. Jayne. saw him at the Fifth Avenue Ho
tel one day.
that the only occasion which you conyersed with
him about it A. Think him at the Fifth Avenue Hotel
since and convcrsed with him about it, within week. or two
weeks, or three weeks, recently.
O. Will you good enough repeat the date when General
Butler volunteered in the matter A have got the exact date
think June 18th 3h the letter received from him.
O. since acted your counsel through the matter
A. Yes Sir my adviser In the matter there's distinction
between /" counsel and =" adviser, believe.
You said that your letter OF Auf 9Th written by bis
advice' A. Yes, Sir; written by him
@. And by him' A. Yes, Sir.
O. Was the subsequent letter OF Aug 5h written by him.
A. What was the subsequent letter Of August 5thf
@ In reply to Mr. Beochers Of August 4h, which was
cuded A. No Sir that written by myself in conjuDc
ton with Theodore Tilton.
O. Was Mr. Tlon present when General Buter wrote the
letter Of August 4tht A. No. Sir
O. Had be conferred with that subjeotf A. No. S
O. You have time paid any fee to General Butlef' A.
have not.