The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-04-30

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! don't remember; he may or may not have done
I so | don't remember what General Butler said he
understood the charges 10 have been.
q. That Is not an answer TO my question. A. 1
| don't remember definitely what Generai Butier
o. Well but want your recollection OF that In
I tervIew leave out that word "dehnitely." A. He
said nothing OF the Kind.
q DID YOU, AIR tracy, have an interview with
General Butler on July 20 A. did SIR.
O. Where did that interview take place A. At
o. And how came thar interview about9 A.
think Mr.. Moulton sent for me to come TO his
house.
Q. Row did you happen to learn OF General But
Ter being in New York-in BROOKLYN A. Mr.
Moulton told me.
Q. And Mr.. Moulton's telling you was the first
knowledge you had OF ms being IN New YORK on
that occasion A. think knew he came for the
purposes OF this scandal.
o. DID you know you were to be informed when
heiarrved? A. supposed would be invited to
see him when ne did come.
Q. Now didn't you telegraph for General Butler sI
for General Butler TO come TO New York, but that
was Mt a later date.
o. Didn't you, Mr.. Tracy, summons him to New
York on this occasion A. don't remember that
o. And this interview OF which you speak at
Mouton's house about Theodore Illton's pro-
posed statement, was 1t notY A. Yes, SIR.
9. Didn't you Understand tnaI MT; Moul ton
statement at the time 2 A. 1 did at TINS time.
.. AT ,nis interview Of the 10th Of July az MT
arranged that the proposed meeting OF the Inves-
tigatlng Committee should be put OF : A: II was
not arranged that 1t should be postponed, but IL
was SO suggested
Q. THIS postponement was sought for IN order to
give Mr.. Moulton time to control Mr.. Tllton A.
Mr. Moulton and General Butler.
Q. What was the understanding between the
three parties A. That was understood TO be the
possponement OF the meeting OF the investigating
q. Was 1t not agreed that you were not to be
present and II you were not present the meeting
was not to 20 on : A. think That was the under
o. And In this view Mr.. Moulton ana General
Butler were consulted on the subject A. can
tell what occurred Ut these interviews II you Will
permit me to do so.
o. i DON'T think you can tell what occurred at
can give what occurred al all these meetings A.
/ may not be able to give you the precise Ian
occurred.
Q. Wasn't it arranged and understood be-
tween General Butler, Mr.. Moulton and YOURSELF
at the meeting OF July 20, that you should NOT be
present at the committee called 10 meet that
Guence Of Your absence the meeting would be
postponed and no proceedings taken on July 20
A. can't tell you that wlii tell altyy you what
make his statement at that meeting.
/ z: mr.; Iilton dld appear at that meeting ana
q. That statement was the sworn statement,
not the long statement, that Tllton nader A. IL
! was the sworn statement
\ Q. Now. Mr.. Tracy, you afterward saw General
/ Butler. you say at the Filth Avenue Hotel, August
| evening OF August 10 at Mr. Moulton's house, and
4 again the next morning At my rooms in Montague
street; Twas boarding IN Montague street at the
time
\ O. Who was present beside General Butler and
yourself A. General Buffers secretary.
O. Was Mr.. Beecner present at that meeting at
your house A. Mr.. Beecher was not present; he
never in the house 20 my kno Wedge.
| o. We're General Butler and you preparing
part TO be spoken by Mr. BeecherY A. | was not
preparing any paper for Mr.. Beecher 10 use; Will
STATE what occurred II you want me.
@ When do viii tell you. We're you prepar-
Ing no statement? A. We were not.
g. Were either you or Mr.. Butler preparing q
statement A. VIII answer by stating what oc-
o. Was either General Butler or you preparing
a statementS A. General Butler dictated TO MS
stenographer alter his conversation WIN me.
O Idon't want that; l don't call Tor any state
meat OF yours. Answer whether General Butler
or Won prepared a statement on that occaslonS
Mr. Beach repeated his question, and the wit
ness replied. General Butler dictated TO his
slenographer, who took down ms words 10 snort
Mr.. Beach again objected to allow the witness
ing for conversation but the gentleman insisted
upon stating IL. Mr. Evarts came TO the rescue OF
o. Was the statement completed then or after
wardg A. Now, can't tell you that, but l VIII
q. No. you won't. was that partial statement,
lett unfinished. Tor the use OF Mr. BeecherS A. No,
| SLIT was designed for my use; no statement was
prepared for the use OF Mr.. Beecher.
o. Was not tue statement to be submitted TO
eral Butler thought Mr. Beecner's statement
should be; II was giving him ms ideas
O. Dlu he take 10 on WITH MIN? A He did.
q. Did he send you afterward a prepared state
ment A. He afterward sent me package which
/ never read.
and said that was not honest way OF eripg
Mr. Snearma1-Now, | submit that the answer
Judge NeIlson-I understand the question
properly being whether General Butler sent
MIN tue statement which witness did not read.
Mr. Shearman-Exactly; that Is my proposition.
Judge Neils0n-Itls improper TO say that the
answer Is unfair and dishonest.
Mr.. Beach said that .'unlair and dishonesty did
not refer 10 the witness.
O. Did you afterward receive from Mr.. Butler q
Z a Beech.
o. Did you over read the letter accompanying this
package OF papers he sent to Jour A. DON'T
know tnat there was such letter; II there was |
o. You nave forgotten whether or not he sent
YOU a letter. A. IL seems there was q letter ac-
companylng the package; ! am not positive:
O. DID not that letter In substance say the Of
fence OF Mr.. Beecher was adultery intercourse
with Mrs. nlton. and that the statement was
stances A. II there such a letter II 1ndouOt-
eddy contained that statement, for he was trying
he was trying his nand at making a statement
O. And that was General Buffers representation
OF the case A. In the interview at M0ulton's
house, on August 10. General Butler assumed Mr..
Beechers guilt
General Butler sent Jour A. returned IL 10 MIN
wltain two months after It's receipt; IL went
astray, until one OF my boys found Il when ! was
overnauling my papers.
O When you ana General Butler parted. after
the interview IN your rooms az montague street;
forward 70 you statementf A. That was NOT
q. Wen il was bis written view about IL, A.
No.
O. Well II 1t was not a statement, what was IL
A. IL was his views as 10 MI Beecher's case as
| ne would present n.
.. Was tnot written in the fern OF a statementS
A. I think that II began IN the form oil state
ment.
q was It not understood when you parted that
he was to forward 0 statement. A. When We
I parted so regarded IL.
a. And when IL came you didn't deign TO look at
1t A. did not atrve until Mr.. Beecher's state
menl was formed ana published; 10 came too late;
think, II remember correctly, that t was the
very morning that MT Beecneris statement was
Published that received tue statement from Mr..
Butler; but am not certain about that; know 1
dldn't read II then.
O. Now Mr.. Tracy, was IL understood, arranged
or discussed between You and General Butler that
tnia paper, which General Butter was suggesting
4 trar No ha rpa nv AR IN A