New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-30
THE TILTON-BEECHER TRIAL.
Continued from Rourth Psxe.


q. Well, when 1t A. When was this interview
Q, Yes. A August g.
q What yearf A. 1874
Had you talked with Mr. Beecher about this scandal
before that's A. had, Sir.
q. When irstf A. In November or December, 1872.
" november or December 1S72-how often between
that and Aug. 81 A talked with MI. Beecher once
remember. in November December 1872; talked
with him again about I've minutes the 9TH OF January
1873 ct the renting Of the pews at Plymouth Church
AFTER that remember conversation with MT eecher
on the subject OF this until after the publication
OF the Bacon letter"
@ How soon after that A. On Friday night. after the
publication of the Bacon letter. which was published
think. Wednesday.
Mr. shearman-Friday June &C. 1874
The Witness-June o.
Mr. Beaoh-well. from June 20 to July o, how fire.
quent were interviews with Mr. Beecher-Augus o,
meant A August 8. Well, they frequent; can't
say how frequent; sometimes every day; sometimes
t"ice week sometimes he went TO Peekskl and was
gone; but when he in the city, should as often
"a two or three times a week.
q Did you consult and advise with him upon the sub
@ect at these interyiewsi A consulted with him.
Q Didn't you advise hint A. Yes; to q greater or
less extent did
O. Well you considered yourself as his adviser, didn't
youf A. No, Sir.
q. WHAT A Not in the strict sense OF adviser.
q Oh am not talking about strict sense" now, Sir
A. Well. considered myself as an adviser as friend
would advise another In difficulty
q Yes; you did not know that Mr. Beecher considered
you as prominent and reliable attorney and counsel
dd not suppose that, did youi A. No. Sir not in that
connection.
@ Not In what connecticut A. In the connection OF
my relations with him.
And you did not suppose that Mr.. Beecher sought
grateful for your advice because of your prOes-
sionf A. cannot say how grateful he was, or how
grateful thought him to be; cannot say either, that
ho sought my relation because of my professional posi-
ton.
q Did you suppose. Sir that he was consulting with
you aud valued your advice account OF your profess
sional positions A. II thought anything on the sub
iect perhaps assumed entered into his cacu
lation or his motive more or less.
Q Well. Sir with that presumption, and having had
these interviews with Mr. Beeoher and having given him
advice. went to this interview the Fifth Avenue
Hoteif A. Yes, Sir.
@ Did you there state to Mr.. Benjamin F. Butler-is
that his namei
Mr. Morris-Yes fIaughter1
Mr.. Beach tcOntinuingl-Mr. BENJAMIN F Buter-that
represented Nir Bcecherf in TINT language,
sir
Q. What A. Not in those words.
q. We'll in substance thati A. No. Sir I undoubtedly,
quite likely. did
q. Never mind what you undoubtedly did we don't
want any further reasoning Now did you not upon that
occasion represent to Mr. Butler that appeared
the representative and counsel of Mr. Beeeheri A No.
Sir
V.
No. Sir
@ Well, after that interview did you Mr.. Beecher
A. Undoubtedly did, after that interview.
@ don't want any undoubtedly :" want your rec |
election if there is any. A. Oh did yes, Sir; yes
him after that, Of course.
Q How after that did you see him 7 A. That was
Che 9th.
O. Yesf A. can't say.
q Well give me the best OF your recollection A. 1
undoubtedly saw him within week after that probably
within three days it would depend upon whether he was
IN town not don't remember
O. Wei the subject Of your interview at The Fifth
Avenue Hotel matter Of conversation between you and
Mr. Beecher A. don't recOllect positively whether 1t
or not.
O. Well isn't possible FOR you to refresh your recol
lection upon that subject A. No, Sir remember no
conversation between myself and Mr. Beecher
O Well you have answered my question A. Oh. ex-
cuse me. Sir.
O. don't want anything further Il that the only con-
ference you had with Mr. Butler in regard to this scan
DAFT A. No, Sir.
GEN. TRACY GOES TO BOSTON TO SEE GEN.
BUTLER.
@. Where else have you conferred with him
except at the Fifth Avenue Hotel, in New-YOrki A Once
IN Boston.
O. In Bostoni A. Yes, Sir.
O. When thati A. About the first OF July
@ IS743 A. Yes. Sir.
o Was it on the Goth of Junei A cannot say the
date definitely it is about the first Of July, know
O Did you 90 to for the purpose Of consulting
with him A. went to Boston for the purpose
O Did YOU go there for that purpose, asked your A.
went TO see him.
O. WHAT A. 1 went to sec him on this subject
O Yes you went to MIN on this subject; how |
came you TO got A. you apply any technical meaning
TO tho word consult, did not go TO consult
O Oh no. to confer. A. To confer with him.
O. How came you TO got A. Because OF message
which understood Mr.. Benjamin f. Butler sent 10 MT
Beecher on the subject of this scandal
O Who did you understand it from A. Mr.. Beecher
O. Did Mr. Beecher request you to go' A. No, Sir.
O No suggestion from or with him in regard TO your
goings A. 1 can tell you what occurred, Mr. Beach.
O. Well, you answer my question: a. NO, can
not without telling you what occurred
O. You cannot say whether there was any suggestion
about your going 10 Boston between yourself and Mr.
Beecher2 A. There a suggestion about my going
Yes Sir.
O. Who made the suggestion A. I did.
O Did Mr Beecher concur in it A. He did not.
O Did he object TO your goingi A He did.
O You went contrary TO his wish Z A. cannot say
that
O. Went contrary 70 his objection, didn't you' A.
cannot say that
O. Why, you went, didn't you : A. Yes Sir
@ And he objected TO your goingi A. de ala wnen
the suggestion was made first
O. OH A. Now, will tell you'll VIII s'a'e tne
facts II you want them
O. Oh no wait a minute. Laughter
Mr. shearman-Yes, ask him.
O. And YOU did not 20 against nr Beechers oDecHonf
A Well can't say that, either
O Can't you say whether you did or notf A. NO. sir
O Well did he withdraw the objection which he made
A. Well. can't say that