The Findlay Jeffersonian. [volume] (Findlay, Hancock County, Ohio) 1870-1881, 1875-08-27
THURNAN SUB ROSA.
Hi. Private ssntinsnl,E1iLsr rasricly Expressed.
Special Correspondence ofthe Leader.

Special Correspondence 'ofthe Leader.
PUT-IS BAY, August 16.
II was the privilege of your cores
pondeut to be the uniGreHtional listener
Sunday forenoon about eleven O'Clock,
TO a aconverSation between Senator Thur
man and Mr.. Cook. OF Cincinnati on
the political situation in Ohio N gene
raj. and on Sam Cary IN particular The
expressions Of opinion by the Senator
were 80 emphatic. and might say truth
full. that | am compelled AT the risk OF
being considered an eaveSdrCpPeT 20 give
a verbatim and truthful report as near
as ] can. | excuse myself for 50 doing
on the ground that a. everything Is ihlr
in war. 80 it is in politics. | was sitting
reading on the lawn in front Of the Put
inlay House, when these gentlemen
came and seated themselves close by me,
and was compelled to hear their con
versation liz spite q! myself.
Mr. Cook. in the course OF the eouv-r-
sation. expressed poor opinion of Sam
Cary. saying he was too much "i a dead
weight for the party to carry, ana that
the party made n great mistake IN noiu-
mating him. 50 much so ilIht the ticket
was in absolute danger Of defeat.
Mr.. Thurman responded saying TINT
he agreed with Mr. Cook: that he had
no respect for Mr. Cary, as iIe consider
ed him Il mer,. poliii ~ ,..!r .nturer, mar
row minded. perfectly y unrTiicig.e with
an active mind. BAT totally unbalanced.
He believed him 70 h aH INSCRIPTIONS
demagOgue. one Who's 4r'-a; inrtc Is to
appeal to the passions oi ii> hearers; in
| fact be considered Cary to lss an out
and out Cummuuist. - iur himSelfthe
| Senator said, under no circumstances
| would he speak at tie same meeting
where Sam Cary was to speak, for his
own self respect forbade him TO be seen
in his company. He said he never heard
Cary but twice in his life. and did not
wish to hear him again under any cir
euIngtances. so great was his feeling OF
contempt for that hypOcriiIcal temper
unce spOuter. lie heard him deliver n
| temperance lecture in Columbus from
| the west end of the State House, some
years ago, but his vituperative abuse of
men who dealt in liquors was so violent
| and sIanderous that he only remained a
| few minutes and came away Disguised.
| The next time lie heard Sam was at
| GAINESVILLE, during the campaign of II,
when he (ThurIuan) had an appointment
to speak.
When he arrived at the place of meet
ing. he found, much to his surprise, that
Sam Cary was announced as one of the
speakers, and he was compelled in spite
of himself to listen to him.
Mr.. Cook remarked that it was very
unfortunate for the Democracy that the
! Catholic question had been brought in;
that it was going TO result in many DEM
ocrats voting with the Republicans, and
many more in staying away from the
polls. He feared that this alone would
| lose the State to the Democracy.
Mr.. Thurman replied, emphatically:
'.Yrs. we shall lose the State; the id
| priests have over one the thing by stick
ing their noses into our politics, and they
| deserve to be beaten to teach them their
places. The Democracy only have them
selves to blame in submitting to the de-
mands of the priests in they way they
| did. 1t was unfortunate indeed, thai
the Catholic question was lugged into
the campaign. The Democracy was the
only party that ever did anything for
| the Catholics. and it would seem that
| the more that Is done for them the more
they will demand Their arrogance is
| insufTerable. and as we shall be defeated
any way, | hope it will, hereafter, teach
these meddlesome priests lesson that
they will understand that is, to let pol
itics alone. |. for one, don't propose to
stand any further nonsense from these
fellows"
The Senator went on to defend the
position he took in his Mansfield speech,
saying flat he had been most Outra-
geouSiy abused and misreprcsented by
the Republican press; that had Inc come
out flat-fOOtedly ia opposition 10 the f.
nanciai plank in the State platform, he
would have been more bitterly abused
by his own party press than he was by
the Republican press for the position he
had taken in that speech; therefore that
position was the best for his own per-
sonal interest.
The above report OF the conversation
is correct as far aS sentiments uttered
were concerned; the language may vary
n little. His expressions in regard to
Cary, the priests, and acknowledging
that the State is lost, are given In his eX-
act language. VISITOR.
Senator Thurman finding himself thus
placed on record makes haste TO tele-
graph as follows:
PUT IN BAY, August 10.
Editor Cleveland LEADER:
The letter signed Visitor" in this
mornings .LeGdeF Is n tissue Of false
hoods. Please publish this telegram.
\. G. THURMAN.
Which brings ''Visitor" to the front in
another communication as follows:
To the Editor qf the Loddcr:
IN reply to the Telegram of Senator
Thurman, which you have shown me,
saying that my staieHeut Cl his cOnver-
safion with Mr.. Cook Of Cincinnati pub !
lishcd in the LoGdeT of Wednesday last, |
sis q tissue of falSehOOds,n | will say |
that OH the forenoon of last Sunday, |
when the conversation took place, was |
seated on the lawn in front OF the Put
in Bay House reading "a newspaper. and |
while so doing Mr. Thurman and Mr.. |
Cook came and seated themselves about
Iour feet from me. Ehey carried on
their conversation openly and u1reserv-
edly. Knowing the eminence of senator
Thurman as Il statesman and politician,
it was natural that should listen tn his
especially so as ie almost fore
ed me to hear him or leave my seat.
am no politician, and | wrote out the
report OF his conversation merely from
sense of the duiy / owe 10 the people of
Ohio, whose servant Senator ThnrJuaniS, /
for hold that they are entitled To know
his ,'eql view on tie political question of
the day, and tie qualifications aud fit
ness of candidates running for Offices in
the gift OF the people. 1t is natural for
Thurman to dislike to DE placed /
in an equivocal position before the peo-
pie, and therefore he has strong motives
Tor uttering q faisehOod by saying thar
nv statement of his conversation ''is "A
tissue of falsehoods."
Therefore all / can say is that | fully |
md solmenly realfirm the report contain
ID in u.y letter. | have no personal
motive whatever to Manufacture or
iistort the report of the conversation as
charged by Senator Thurman in his
telegram, while he has Il great motive to
leny the truth Of that report.
Y. g. NKLsOz.
State OF Ohio,
Juyahoga Co.
Z, c.. Nelson, of lawful age, being duly
worn upon oath says that he is a resi-
lent of the City cf Cleveland, that he
: the author of the communication over
he signature of ''FiSiTor," Published in 1
no Cleveland Jf0fsT under date of |