The New York herald., 1875-12-18
no, masns, enough 30 draw them arer him 10 the
course he has taken.


TIRs--cocRsE or THE DENT FAMILY
ST LOUIS. Dec. 10, 1875.
Ihave visited several prominent Methodist ministers
and obtained their views relation TO Bishop Haven's
| speech The Icy. j. ". Lewis D. D., Of St. Johns
Church (Northl spoke as foows:-
disapprove generally Of the action or Bishop
Haven I think it unbecoming his once OF
/ bishop and minister OF the Gospel The gen.
/ oral opiuon Is that bishops OF the North.
| ern Methodist Church have influence with Grant
| Methodist Church Grant himself has always been
\ supposed TO have been very intimate with
Bishop simpson ! suppose Mr.: Haven made ms
move IN order that the influence or Mr. Grant might be
retained for lis denomination Politics in the Church
are 70 be deprecated and never fail when brought IN 70
work injury to the Church Bishop Haven as citi-
zen has perfect right, in my opinion, to nominate
Grant for the tonth term II he desires but ne has,
undoubtedly, abused his oaico in this action. Hc has
not only exposed himself but his whole denomination,
well as all other Protestant denominations TO severe
criticism By those unfrendy TO the cause Of Christian
in the interests OF political parties that viii use this
THE LINZ DISTINCTION
is not drawn Wide enough between political modelling
ministers and those who adhere more closely preach
ing the Gospel and attending TO their legitimate work
These papers will hold all ministers alike responsible.
The sole and exclusive object Of the Church tho sal
walton OF man, and that purpose and design should
be closely adhered TO. All political ASPIRATIONS and
ainities should be discountenanced in all churches
The Church represented by Bishop Haven has become
prominent in its opposition 70 the supposed manpula
ton OF great political party by the Catholic bishops
and priests, and i III became Haven to expose himself
q the same charge he makes against others think
that Bishop Haven did wrong 10 convert a relig
ous convention into political meeting. which was
virtually done In this and 10 expose himself the
severe censuro Of inconsistency and
oTFICtOUs ISfFRMEDDLISG
with matters that did not pertain 10 his Office or TO the
association with which he Is connected II Bishop
Haycn's action In this matter 10 be generally fol
lowed up i would place the Church in a very disad-
vantageous position. II would division any
church, az all members would not agree on such sub
ject IL would make churches partisan questions
entirely foreign to their calling.
In conclusion DR. Lewis said: -
"It is certainly an act TO be highly condemned"
REV. c. A. ArDA, D. D,
OF the linton Methodist Episcopal church. North said
l am Inclined TO think that the New York Tribune
reported Bishop Haven enormously, and until have
better authenticated report do not like 10 express
Haven merely made few favorable remarks as re-
garded Grants administration Bishop Haven Is inn
petuous man. bold free thinker and generally given
10 saying that which Is in hts mind. doubt that ho
ever made the remarks as attributed to him II the
worst construction put upon 1t should be the true one
some action you may DO sure wiz DO taken by West
ern ministers mark you. think IL will appear that
Bishop Haven, being among old friends, spoke i'm
REV. WILLIAM y TUDOR,
of the Centenary Methodist Episcopal church. South,
said
dsapprove OF his action In every sense OF the word
Haven is always saying something like this, and
sure you not unpropared for such speech, nor
any speech that he might oe prepared 10 make do
not think that Bishop Haven commands sufficient re-
SpeCt oracle church for his position
opinion any subject TO be understood expressing
tie minds OF his church generally except be Now
England In my opinion his remarks evidently
intended for political effect and capital
REV. T NJ FISNEy,
Of the Eighth street and Washington avenue Metho.
dist Episcopal church, South who preached the funeral
sermon on tho death OF Mrs Dent and who received
into the Church number of tho members OF the Dent
family hinted that they changed TO the Northern
church through political motives He then went on 10
say
/ The remarks Of Bishop Haven, concerning Grants
third term go to prove what have always maintained
that the Southern did not leave the Northern church
account OF the slavery question, but that always
have and still do object to introducing political matters
into the Church, which at that time was the cause OF
4 the division.
thought Bishop Haven had been enormously reported
Haven mpetuous He was Jolly, whole
souled, good fellow but has always been eccentric in
his views regarding political questions. He Is wha,
might be termed extremist tho question OF races
have known him to call on respectable coorcd fam
lies and mngle socially with th0m. As regards
I Bishop simpson, really don't think he mado the re-
marks attributed TO him by the Philadelphia reporter
! in the interview published some days since In the
Item. II the construction put upon Bishop Havens
marks was the correct one l cannot but condemn
them. At any rate | decidedly object 10 tho Church
meddng in politics was chaplain OF the Senate for
two years and In my prayers for the salvation OF
country never referred to party politics
I
editor OF the Methodist Adroca:e makes the following
editorial commeuts:-
The Boston Methodist preachers meeting has un-
Willingly produced another sensation and IL is a de-
cided Improvement upon that of year ago. We wero
all taken aback by a telegram last week announcing
that al meeting OF 200 Methodist ministers in Boston
Bishop Haven had urged tho nomination Of President
Grant for the third term and that the preachers had
declared unanimously in favor Of the proposition. We
instantly detected tho hand Of the sensational
porter and waited for fuller report which came in
nm nd fla Ira
Society were holding the anniversary In Boston, OF
which report will be found on this page. The officers Of
the societies with their invited and visiting ministers
were invited according 10 custom to tho regular weekly
preachers meeting Professor Wells, OF Union College
delivered q lecture on Bismarck ana the Papacy y
Bishop Haven was present, and, having been invited
two weeks before. followed with address on the con
dition ol affairs religious and poiitica IN the South
Referring to the fact that the Pope had recognized the
Conederacy during the late war, he noticed the faith
iulness OF tho coored during the struggle and
duty to them. especially have 800 900 colorcd
members of our Church in tho South Ho expressed
his conviction that President Grant feared by
tho slave power and the Papacy than any other man
and asked tho preachers prescntto pray FOR tho South
+ and the re election OF President Grant prominent
minister, Dr. sherman, whom we havo never suspected
Of ministerial mproprictes, moved vote Of thanks
and approval, which passed by unanimous vote.
These are facts. II was private meeting Of minis
ters. There political design In the vote of ap
proval The incident would not have been remarkable
bad not newspaper reporter, intent upon furnishing
something appezing Tor morbid curiosity put upon
Il false construction and furnished Il to tho Assoc
aed Press TO DO sent by telegraph TO the daily secular
press The editorial fraternity immediately made the
most Off Those who bear no good viii TO our Church,
at the best, we're unnecessarily indignant and abusive
The honest and sensible treated II with the lack
gravity II deserved II Is scarcely necessary TO say
that the members OF tho Methodist Church do not
ceyc instructions how 10 vote from preachers meet
ngs. nor from a Methodist bishop. Bishop Haven is
Of strong convictions and has the habit OF saying
what 10 pieases and where il pleases Inn. He speaks
for htrnself no else. The for speaking is
chieiy.A natter OF taste IN which this case the ma
5orIty ortha methodist Church quite certain will
4 differ with him "a.
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