New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-08

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@. Did Mr.. McKelway go with youi A. He did.
O. And saw Mr. Moulton in his counting house in New
York or where A. In New-York-yes, Sir he was busy
when we went there and after transactng his business
which tletme he then urnedto me anu we had
some conversation about behind the accountants retc
ulated bar and then we came out and walked toward
home-we going over tho Montague-st. Ferry, and MI
McKelway going on, think over Fulton Ferry.
Q. Well, what said between you then about that
publications. Had M Moulton seen it A. do not re-
member that no said that he had. He advised Inc to
say nothing about It, and that part Of the GRAND
OF Mr.. MoKeway, to know what thought or wished "
say. / ahfAd upon that counsel, and he left us.
O. You so informed Mr.. McKelwayi A. l did.
O. Was Mr. McKelway's errand in connection WIN INC
newspaper with which he connected A. II was pro-
fessonal entirely.
THE CONSULTATIONS ABOUT THE SCANDAL
@. Now, afterward was the question whether
publication Of any kind should be prepared
subject OF consultation and with whom, In which you
took partl A. Not consultation, but of advice from
many parties.
Mr. Beach We object to what occurred with other par
ties.
Mr. Evarts-Dd other parties offer you advice on the
subject A. There did
@. Voluntarily A. They came TO my house.
q. Voluntarily A. Voluntarily
Mr. Beach-We object to that
Mr. Evarts-I don't intend to show the advice.
Mr. Beach-But you do.
Mr. Evarts-I do not You cannot see from anything
he said whether he advised him not to publish it.
Mr. Beach-You are mistaken. However, we won't dis
cuss that.
G. Did you receive advice from variety Of pcOplei A.
did.
O. Now, what part did you take, and with whom, in
discussing or determining whether any answer should be
madei A. With Mr.. Mouton principally, and Mr. Tracy
O. Now, when did you Mr.. Moulton, and wherei
A. saw him his house. suspect the next day. itmay
have been that same evenngthat evening or the next
day.
O. By set appointment A. do not remember, Sir;
presume so.
Q. Was Mr.. Tton present at that! A. No; MI Triton,
IL / recall 1t right, was not in town.
O. What was the conference between you and Mr..
Moulton on that subject, at that timei A. My own
counsel was very little. He seems not to have had a
doubt in his mind from the beginning; and his counsel
was first and last, to me- that the matter was to be
treated with eontemptuOus silence.
O. You have mentioned Mr.. Tracy, Mr.. Beecher was he
connected with Mr. MOulon In this conference in any
wayi A. No, Sir.
O. In what way did he have any connection with this
materi A. You ask with whom consulted for that
as understand II you will read the question will tell
you why put that answer in
O. Well, was Mr. Tracy in connection with these num-
bers Of people that you have spoken Of having ad
yised y0ui A. Yes Sir.
O. Not with Mr.. Moulton A. No, Sir.
O. Not with any conferencei A. No, Sir.
Mr.. Evarts-well that is substantially all excluded
suppose ITO the wtness When next, or further, did
any matter come up whether answer to be
made or the policy of silence still maintained in which
you took any pari A. cannot give you any detail OF
it. It was thing that agreed upon at once, and
there within the week. should say, or ten days va
rous conferences consultations rather between Mr.
Moulton and and Mr. Ton, in regard to it, but all Of
them eventuating alike.
O. Well, now when did any interview with Mr.. Tilton
first occur A. On his return from his NewHampshire
trip
O. That was soon afteri A. Soon after yes, Sir.
@. And what conference there in which he and you
both took part A. conference in Mr. Moultons study
in the morning. He came there very much excited.
O. Were you there already A. think was there
when he came In think was first with Mr. Moulton.
/ may be mistaken about that.
O. Was this meeting Mr.. Beccher one by appointment
A. don't know.
Q. You were there with Mr.. Moulton A. Yes, Sir.
Q. And Mr. TiltOn came in A. l think that was So
O. Well that you have stated. Before Mr. Tilton came
in was there any conversation between you and Mr.
MotOn ON this subject A. II there any don't re-
call It,
O. After Mr.. TiltOn' came in what then occurred A.
Mr. Tilton denounced the matter with Indignation, and
declared that he should wherever he went deny it
an infamous and an atrocious thing. He spoke to my
hearts content about it and he took by the hand
and think by both hands, and authorized me- in his
name everywherehe enjoned it on me to deny it rs an
Infamous atrocious alsehOod and that the
ence of Mr. Mouton The question Of making this con-
tradicOn in the public papers was something different
II was understood that should adhere-wo should
frain from publication.
@. Az part of this interview or conference was any
thing said by you OF wish preference in regard to
denial A. / said prepared to make written
denial II it thought best, but that IL ought to be
denial that should go out from Mr.. TOn, and from
and from Mr. MOutOn, all Of were implicated in the
statement understood from what had been told me-
O. How was that proposition received and disposed OF
by the gentlemenl A. Well, thought that there was
inclination in the first nterview-they took 1t into
consideration; that is what thought.
O. That was the substance Of the interview A. That
was the substance OF the interview II to be denied
and there be any card it must be something for
further dcliberatiOn.
Q. How soon thereafter did any conference on that
subject come up, and what occurredi A. Well cannot
say exactly but should say in November December.
the last Of the month early in the month, there
pressure which led Mr. MOultOn to reopen the question
whether something might not be appropriately done.
Q. In the way OF publicationi A. Yes, Sir.
O. Well, how that talked Of and what was the dis
position to it, A. There nothing came of It,
@. Was there at any time any decision or agreement
that there should be publication A. There was no
agreement that there should be. We adhered still to our
original purpose to let the thing die.
O. Now after this interview that you have spoken Of do
you recall any further interview between you and these
two gentlemen, either OF Them still the subject OF
publication OF denial response A. 1t matter Of
conversation of course, every time we met How fire.
quently met about that time do not charge my
self to remember.
O. DO you remember that 1t a subject that
under considerations A. II was