The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-03-16


"You want me to repeat language which can
not do" said Schultz to Beach, ''and then when
try TO give you the substance OF IL you stop me-"
Here there applause from the Plymouth
benches. which were unusually iull.
Wi,ness-I cannot tell you the month this check
was eXnlolted to me; MIR. Tlton came into my Of
nee and said. 81 have settled with those Brooklyn
iellows," and he exhibited to me check: he said
10 me- 81 nave brought them down on their mar
rowuones:n l think he read o. me an article lie
was gong to publish. and Also think, one Mr..
sure; congratulated nim GA getting rid OF mis-
dificulty; ~ was not at the interview
the rool OF Plymouth church; IL was at previous
time; the interview TOOK place at my once; there
view distinctly; It was in the afternoon, mink,
but am not sure; when he showed me the cneck
II was my impression that ne had inst settled with
the parties and had come right over fIom Brook
Ign; now think that the interview OF which am
speaking took place Jour or six months previous
Q, Perhaps You could remember whether It was
In the summer or winter season you had this In.
tervlew 7 A. l can't say exactly.
Mr.. Beach-The check bears date April 4, 1872.
Mr.. Schultz-Tnen It must have been four or SIX
.. Repeat that conversation A. He came in
Q. did not ask that. Give the conversation.
A. cannot give the exact language; cannot
tell how the conversation began or what subject
Q. Will you tell me the substance OF the first re.
marx that was made by either OF your A. l can
q. Give me the subject OF the first remark that
was used by either OF you. A. can't give you the
details CAN'T give the opening words; remem.
Der the matter generally; he came in and opened
the subject in the usual way, the matter OF his
charge nar. Beecher with having criminal rela..
lions with your wiieT he swung his hand
w Is Dure as an M On
speaking OF bis difficulty; II you insist on my CIV
lug you the words OF the conversation cannot
Q. GIVE me all OF the conversation as you re.
member IT, A. Mi. Iiit0n came into my ONCE Ia
the usual Way
Q. Give me all of the conversation you remem-
Der ON that occasion between you anu Mr.. Tlton.
A. am unfortunate enough not TO remember the
words.
MIR. Triton that you recOllectY A. Whenever l
attempt TO give tue substance OF the converse
ton YOU stop me.
Q. Did not Mr.. Tlton tell you that Mr.. Carpen.
paper enterprise A. 1 do not recoilect that; l
think Mr.. Moulton. at the Union League Club
rIgnt TO represent Mr.. Tllton Thought there
no one present at mat interview, put under
stood there were MIR. Butter and Mr.. Watrous.
CARPENTER sNUBBED BY PLAINTIFF.
Alta quarter to three Mr.. Beach extracted from
Mr. Schultz the remembrance that Mr.. Charles
Watrous ana Mr.. Butler were present at the
Union League CLUB the night OF o certain CONVEX
sation.
"Forrunately, there was mother witness there"
said Mr.. Beach, significantly.
This was preparatory to getting In the evidence
that Tlton repudia;ed Carpenters busy ofices in
starting a new journal and sending him, Tllton,
abroad to be q foreign correspondents. Henry
Clewa and William =. orion were present at the
celebrated interview ct the Union League Club
where Mr.. Carpenter undertook to be great d.
plomatlsr.
The scene between these TWO positive men was
OF a very hot nature; but Schultz Kept even-tem-
pered, his daep, nattish head, with q heavy Jaw
and base and q chin more noticeable than his
nose, moving ervidy. while the jury paid close
attention, but yet their ears were dinned The
dingy day lretted the eyes also. Nearly all the
Jurors look laded and tagged The hairs OF the
foreman are getting thin. Number four wants TO
60 out at frequent occasions. They all look at the
clock and appear to be in need OF an almanac.
0. DID not Mr.. Mouton and Mr. Tllton tell you
at the Union League Club that Carpenter had no
right 70 represent IltonS A. DO not recoilect 1t
Q. Did not Mr.. Iilton say that he would have no
connection with such newspaper enterpriseP A
/ 90 not recollect That.
O. Did not Mr.. Titon tell you that ne would not
have anytnng to 40 WIN any newspaper WIZ VIZ
taat 90 not remember 1t.
@ VINO was present at the interview you had
with Carpenter az the Union League Club
A. Henry Clews and Mr.. Orton; Mr.. Carpenter
invited me TO be present; that interview was
the 2)tn OF December, and oath OF January, 1872;
saw Mr. Tilton after that in my ONCE; MIR. Tllton
opened the conversation by asking me IL had III
7
Club room charged HIM with being blacKmai!tr;
tod Inn Frank Carpenter had called US together
about starting ne Hspaper, that dr. Beecher was
TO be edItor OF the paper that Mr.. 1llton was to
go abroad as foreign correspondent and that Mr..
which were to pc destroyed, and therefore l Id
ielt justified In making the statement DID, 1t
was also said that the papers had been submitted
TO DR.. StOrrs.
O. At any OF these conversations was the subject
OF the charges made by Bowen against dir. Beecher
discussed? A. l think they were discu ssec; |
only had one interview win Woodruff and Moul-
ton; do no: recollect that Mr. Pierrepont was
wnen the subject OF the Woodruff woman was in
troduced; Mr.. Triton and Mr. Clews discussed
that, and 1 tried to stop the severity OF the con-
versayion.
REDIRECT
O. By General Tracy-Is that the check (handing
oDe) which Mr.. TIlton showed you A. he
showed me check for $1,000. but cannot say
IN na which h' roh the spoke to the me Of So%
ing the roof OF Plymouth church was
before ne n9wea me tns enei6 BOW long
thought the newspaper enterprise good one,
would. therefore, 90 INTO 1t; did not say that;
cannot exactly repeat the language used by Moul-
ton at the Uni League Cup as 10 Carpenters
authority; the statement that mad charged luton
with being a blackm&ller got talked about good
deal In the club.
O In that conversation did Tilton IN any way
limit the authority OF Carpenter, except as to say
that he had no authority to send MIN to Europef
Ruled out.
cept what you have stated? A. | do not recollect.
CHARLES @. JUDsoN
was examined by Mr.. Sherman at quarter past
three. He Is an india rubber merchant, in Worth
street, New York, modest man, IN an overcoat,
with irai voice, who had enjoyed many years.
acquaintance with Beecher and Tilton. Like
many witnesses In this case he had heard Mton
converse at restaurants. Tlton appears to have
dned at all the clubs and restaurants in New
York, and whenever he dined he pulled out man.
uscript and made important disclosures over mis-
claret and eggs. 1t would appear that his entire
life for several years had been passed in eating Us
restaurants and producing the true story.
"Where viii we END? Where Will we end when
we do end" broke In Roger A. Pryor as Mr.. Shear
man undertook to draw from Judson some old