The Morning herald., 1875-09-10

| seen WeSIervelI Ill company OF those tW
men at No, "a Mott Street they were help
ing us fix up the bar the day they arrived
the day l saw them and was introduced t
them; to the best of my knowledge tina
was in July: Westervelt introduced ME t
them he told me they came from Philadel
phia he told me that few minutes afte
he introduced me to them saw Douglas
about fourteen days after that at the sam
place ; the prisoner was there when Doug
lass came never saw either Mosher O
Douglass after that l first heard Of tie ali
duction of Charlie Ross in tn
first part of July; then the abduc
tion was in the papers; Westeryel
read 1t and told me he would bet two shill
ings he could tell some of the parties in it
he told me at the time he left that he wal
going off for day or two; he was absen
two days; l saw him Oh his return; he sale
he was not with Mosher and Douglas up the
river; Westervelt told me one evening tt
let him know whenever saw a chalk marx
on the cellar door of No. "A Mott street; tha,
that was signal that those parties were in
town, and he knew where to find them then
that was in the latter part of September OF
in October, l don't remember which; that
was three or four days before the saloor
closed in Mott street; remember the kill.
ing of Mosher and Douglass at Bay Ridge
l saw Westervelt the following morning
after the killing; went to Brooklyn with
him; he requested me to 90 with him; he
gave me as a reason for asking me to 60
that in Use he should be detained by the
District Attorney of Brooklyn, he wanted
me to tell Superintendent Walling that he
was locked up; on that trip to Brooklyn l
had conversation with him Oh the subject OF
Charlie Ross; he told me those were the
parties, and also if they were arrested the
child wouldn't live three days; asked him
if he knew where it was, whether it was in
hut or cave somewhere, ~ will never
tell you;" he did once tell me that Mosher
had the child up the river somewhere, but
where he did not know; he told me that in
Brooklyn.
Cross-examined-I reside at No. 10 Ed
ridge street, New York city have been en-
ployed as a laborer by the steamship com
pany since last January; arrived here last
night at o'clock, and am stopping at the
American Hotel; don't know who pays my
they are not paid by myself;
don't expect to be paid for coming here, and
have not been; was asked to come here by
Mr.. Walling, Mr.. Lewis, and Mr.. Ross; first
became acquainted with him on the police
force in 1878; my intimacy with him COM
menced shortly before we were dismissed
from the department; by we mean myself,
Westervelt, and man named Riley we
were dismissed for not.reporting lottery Of
fee; Westeryelt and had trial; Wester-
velt submitted his case and did not stand
trial; he and l consulted counsel as to the
returns to the police department; we consul
ted with Colonel Fellowes in the summer of
1874; as near al can come to it, it was in
June; Colonel Fellowes is not our counsel,
and he couldn't take our case to Court till
we paid $50 apiece, which we couldn't do;
This might have been in July, but not in Au-
gust; saw Fellowes' clerk when the fee of
$50 was asked; saw Mosher, Douglass, and
Westervelt in the saloon before this visit to
Colonel Fellowes.
was not working fora salary at the sa-
oon but boarded with the proprietor from
June until October; sold some "Mothic"
Turing that time; saw Douglass by himself
n the saloon in August; between the 18th
md 25th, think; l told the proprietor of
he saloon, Strombrrg, that Moshcr and
Douglass had come from Philadelphia and
hat. Westervelt had said he would bet two
killings that he could tell some parties who
we're in the case, they came into the saloon
ogether in July; next saw Douglass in Sep
ember; he came in alone: Westervelt was
here; they stayed about ten minutes, and
fter having short talk walked off togeth-
r; never saW.them again; they never came
o that house again; the first visit was at
oon, and, the second one about 10 O'Clock |
n the morning; first learned in September
hat there was a reward offered for the alb
uctors of Charlie Ross; that reward offered
vas $40, 900; took no steps to- arrest them
nd claim the reward: was doing nothing
that time; l. gave information of these
len after the killing.
OILS it not the fact that you placed no
eliancc upon the statement of Westerve1t
ntil after the killing, ana 4eAsAass saying
hay were the parties9
Al had not enough to b1fe it, hut l
ad my suspicious had tten police Of
Ger, but l did't think Il worth while to
I'll the authorities of It.
Re-examined-.W Westervelt ho1d me that he
as working the case With Walling that
me not to go 10 Walling first
earned the names of Moshtr and Douglass
le day after the killing from Westcrvclt,
l Brooklyn he introduced them to me as
NTH and Anderson, or Henderson it was
/ August saw Douglass, and not in Sep
,mber. !
Re-cross examined-The way fix that it
as fourteen days after saw Mosher and
ouglass together that l saw Douglass
lone, is by going on fishing party; don't
now what day in the week it was on which ]
le first visit to the saloon occurred did
ot, in July or August, tiel Stomberg that
lese two men were Mosher and Douglass. {
Odd you tell Stromberg that one of the ,
zen introduced to me as Smith and Ande'- !