The New York herald., 1875-11-20

with IL Mr. Engelke, a rectiher testines tnat Joyce
told him that he had paid 81 900 70 editor Of the
Democrat 70 induce mo 20 slet up" on Mcguire when
candidate for Mayor last spring The es Of that paper
show that il utterly refused 70 support Mcguire though
ne was the regular republican candidate. Mr. Fish
back its proprietor will state that he was present and
personally directed the whole course Of the Democrat IN
that matter, that | had no power to control its
action respecting Mcguire IL had desired that did
mol recommend any other than that which he
deemed most effective for Maguire's defeat and that
was heartily in favor OF overstos the Independents
canu'uase IN that contest Finally can testify that
never received 81, 900 any other sum from Colonel
joyce or any other member Of the Ring for that or any
"sner service TO IT, IL would be very easy to praduce
PROOF lhat before and after this alleged payment was
dong what could publicly and Driyaiey 10 hiring about
expoSnre oitne whiskey rauds Nor viii any one sup
pose tbat would have been thus outspoken in editors
before and afer the exposure and m letters 10 varous
papers signed with my own or initials IL had
received from ether OF the members of the Rng an,,
bribe or payment for aiding it in anv way '
can easily understand that those who collected
money from disters were obliged 10 represent that
they had paid sums to various persons for various SER
vices But the only transaction ever had with Col
one Joyce was small matter about which there was
secret possibility Of misconstruction In 1874
long before the exposure Of the whskey frauds the
election for Mayor borrowed from joyce $500 upon
my ninety-day note, bearing interest rhe note ma
tured IN February OF this year, about two months
fore the exposure the election and then offered
payment, but Joyce willing to and received
note for the amount, with interest then due Be-
fore the second note maured he sent word that he
going out of town. but that tho loan could remain
upon interest If wished. returned word that should
pay 1t at maturity whenever presented and called
more than at his Office TO pay II, but he away
For time he was reported 70 be absent
from the country. For months have
have been absent nearly all the time from St. Louis
but the note would have been paid with interest from
date at any time If presented either by mo- or in my
absence by my representatives in ST. Louis and it
never occurred to me, until the statement Of hr
Engelke this morning. that Joyes dould have repre-
sented the transaction anything but pure loan TO
be repaid with interest So little did regard the mat
ter as a secret that | mentioned IL to Mr. Fish
back with whom was assoc iated and to Mr Wolcott
who were both fighting the Ring, and to others, as
freely as would have mentioned any other matter OF
business. borrowed the money just az would nave
borrowed from bank any other person willing to
lend Joye expected to be paid both principal and
erest as the note of renewal shows; he knew that
was constantly seeking proofs against the Whiskey
Ring and that l opposed Mcguire; and he never re-
ceved, nor had any to expect any favor aid
from me in consideration of the transaction, as my
course conclusively proves W. NJ GRoSvENoR