New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-03-12
Mr.. TILToN,s TALKS ABOUT RELIGION.

@ Now, Madam, you spoke of some change in
the religious sentiments of Mr. Tlton yesterday and under
stood il gradual how early did you first notice any de-
parture Of that kind from his previous opinions Well
think early ls6On that neishborhoodin that neghbor
hood OF time
Somewhere in the neighborhood Of 1867 A. There were
threethere two years which entirely away from
the city between 1850 and 1856 but don't know what two they
Previous that recollect having conversation
with Mr.. TfltOn.
q Well understood you ay that you had frequent dis
cussons upon that topic with hmf A. have had
from time to time
@ In which you maintained Of views and he ad
verse set Of opinions' A. I did.
@ Well they were somewhat animated dscussonsi A Oh,
don't know, | cannot recollect that.
O. Well you maintained well you could in argument
your views supposed A. Yes, Sir
Mr. E9ars-N your Honor please have had al. this be-
fore
Mr. Beach-No Sir we haven't had all this before.
Mr. Eyarts-I think
Mr. Beach-Well think differently.
Mr. Eyarts- submit recollection CT his Honor, the
Judge.
Mr. Beach-Certainy; recoect very well the questions
which put by Mr. Fullerton this subject Sir, and
desire to put another range Of inquiry.
Judge Neilson-Wel, think we will have to take it,
Mr. Beach-You answered, think, that you maintained as
well you able the views you entertained upon those
topics A. did
q And those discussions Of some length sometimes
A. Yes, Sir; probably
@ Now upon doctrine OF atonemenr can you state to
me-, either words substance anything which Mr.
Beecher said upon that subcno the impressions which
you received but anything that he said IL substance
think can; it is long time ago
Mr. Beach, know that
The Witness-I forgotten the particulars but in sub
stance; in substance think
Mr. Evarts-A little louder, please.
Mr. Beach-she long ago, but IN substance
she could.
The witness-That Mr.. Tion longer believed in the
atoning sacrifice Chrstn the sacrce being atone
ment for the sins Of humanity.
O. Well he said then in substance, that he no longer
believed the death OF Christ aonng sacracei
An atonement for human sin.
O. Was atonement for human sins Well, is that all he
said upon that subject that now ecoec' 1t was not
O. WHAT A. That doubtless the substance OF II, mas
much his the pressing
O. Never mind am asking what he said otfor any
ingf A. That far remember is the substance
@ whatf A. That is the substance far as romem-
Der
@ Well your view Of it was opposite that understand
A 1t was.
O. And you maintained that sacrifice complete and
absolute atonementS A. did
@ You did, A. Yes, Sir
O. And that Of itself it worked remission Of SIM A. BY
faith in the
@ OH by faith Well now what did Mr. TiIton gay about
that faith7 A. don't remember
@ Whatf A. don't remember
Now do you positively recollec that he used the word
"beeve that he did not believer Can you remember
that that precise wordi A. Oh, couidnt possibly
remember word.
O. Well you don't remember that he used that precise word
remember language which he used those discus
which will enable judge whether he was maintain
opposite you for the purpose Of argument and dis
CUSTOM whether he expressing his own convictions
San you give any language which he used A. cannot re-
member phrase OF mine his conversation but the CONVEX
sation and its subject recolect
You only remember the impression produced on you
A. ] remember the conversation and the subject
O. You have given the subsncef A The drift OF the
answer.
O. The point TO which wished TO address your mind was
whether you give any form of expression either in
words substance which he used by which can judge
or not arguing with you for the sake of asu
men whether expressing his real conyictonsr II IL
sometimes pleasant to conduct Argument, you know A.
suppose could satisfy you with recoected statement
Of the case
@ No. you only give me the impression when the con-
versaon produced upon your mind suppose There was
more than one conversation, however.
O. Yes there were several A. In relation to these topics
O. The point is whether you speaking from the impress
sion which YOU received whether giving the language
BY which we can udgei A. understand you cannot put
into any form the discussion that il would satisfy you,
Dresum