The New York herald., 1875-01-08

since in many cases. Does it not occur 60 Won
Whom yeu ever saH e1e MADE oy you TO
Mr.. Keverdy Johnson does not approach that
question at all?
wrrsEss-It is not question OF employ ment by
me certainly.
The CHAIRMAN Nobody is more desirous than /
in the hands OF his counsel They are CONSIDERED M
ny the profession the most sacred OF its obliga-
upon those rights we desire to tH" get at
CERTAIN acs sntt,ey yours wnSa we believe
the discussion Of this Question: aons As seealn S NaeS
has SAID, these acts or disbursement by you cannot
under any construction be considered al connden-
tial communications between client and counsel.
Mr.. kAssoN-ln the very nature OF things the
party to whom the money Is paid is as we'll aware
OF the iact as the client himself and therefore lt
cannot be personal secret nod, tnrtuer. that
universal law requires counsel In case in court
10 tes stlly 10 payment which he has made TO an.
otner party Dy direction OIL ms client not II that
question arises.
Mr.. NIBLAcK-Under the law OF my State ply
tions made to him by bis patient, but that proHi-
oltion would not prevent nlm, II called upon in a
proper way, from commu MICA ting the tact OF what
medicine ne gave TO his patient.
Mr: KAssoN-Or, Il q SUIT was brought by the
ap9tnecary ape who SOLD the medicine and he should
would be compelled TO testify that he ordered the
Mr.. NIDLAcx-or take the case of priest. He
may properly refuse TO tell what dying mau
communicated 60 him, but that would not protect
him from disclosing to the Court what became OF
the money OF the dying man that came into his
possession, Y that became material question.
me CHAIRhAN-He might be shielded from say
Ing what the oying man told him, cut not from
stating what he did with the money.
NOT PRIVILEGED RELATION.
MI. BECK-The question here does not raise at
all the question between attorney and client. We
are investigating now what corrupt means have
been used to obtain legislation by Congress. Mr..
irwin Is In no sense party to that matter. He Is
witness and this man is o witness, and they
and attorney in covering up payments
made 1917 e0frupt AS
OF the question whether corrupt means were used
or not the relations OF client and attorney cannot
exist In the matter. Congress does not recognize
men to come here attempting to influence legsla-
tion and spending money for that purpose.
Whether Mr.. Irwin employed counsel or not he
could not constitute relation walch would keep
Congress from getting at the facts. ], therefore,
20 away beyond all this question Of attorney and
client.
MIR. wooD-You express my sentiments exactlv.
Mr. kELLY-And concur entirely.
The CHAIRMAN Il do not doubt q word OF what
Mr.. Beck has said tnat this matter distinguish.
able rom the relations OF attorney and Client
The WIfNEsS-I would state that only want to
clear my professional honor and my honor as a
man VINO, up to nlsy-two years Of age. has passed
through lie with mis- cha racter un arnished;
therefore ask that you will decide the question
which have submitted and that then you will
allow me until Saturday morning to decide 1uily on
my position; have been suffering from chronic
OZena which has weakened me very much, and T
should like 70 have rest until Satuid day morning;
would feel IN different position II had the de-
the matter.
Mr.. BRCx-wnl you abide BY the decision of the
House ?
WITNEss-Do you mean by that, that II the House
decides shall answer. VIII answer?
Mr.. BBcK-Ycs
witness cannot say yes or no to that.
After short consultation the request OF the
witness complied with and he was excused
until saturday morning.