New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-05-05

a conversation DetWeen you anu Do0N"oi
on the subject OF scandal at Mr. SouthwicEs housei
had some talk with Mr.. souhwck about the scandal
O. simply want to know II you recoect the occasion.
A. Yes, Sir.
| O. do you reoolect that occasion saying to Mr..
southwick best for to drive Mr. Beecher out Oh
Brooklyn. or not y
Mr. Fullerton-I object to IT,
| Mr. shearnan give the whole conversation
think the objection would be entirely oDviateo Wy o
| whole conversation.
Judge Neilson-I think will take the answer II you
| mr. shearmanl will be content with tho answer
Tho witness-I don't recocct sayingso
O. Nor anything Of that sort A. don't recolect IT,
O. VIII you swear you did not A. will swear don't
| recoloct did. .
O. But not anything positive than that A. DO
| Sir.
@. Did not Mr.. southwick, in answer to that ssy to
Won that Won had head Of sufficient level to drive tho
salt and fish business but that when you undertook TO
drive Henry Ward Beecher out OF Brooklyn no tnoueh'
you had taken contract you could not carry 'fous"
| A. No, don't think said that .
Judge Nelson-The question Ia whether MI southwck
| said IT, A. No, Sir
| Mr. sbearman-Nor anything like that A. do
| not.
O. Anything in substance like that A. Idon't recolect
| Of saying ything Ike IL.
| O. viii you swear positively you didn't say It'll A. 1
swear don't recOect that | did.
Mr. Fullerton-I won't interrupt with any other ob'ec-
| tOn III IL ~ W Uo uuuOtos"ou s"'s WV w wy
| case, will submit TO 1t.
Judge NesOn-No that ~ not to be understood at ALL
and the rule will be strictly applied hereafter In this
nsanc, we drifted into this long minute examination Do
fore you called attention to the rule and wss hoping
| would be- 49,.
Mr.. Fullerton-I make the objection now before va
drift entirely out to sea and get lost.
| Mr.. shearman-H your Honor please
Mr.. Fullerton-No, moment.
Mr.. Sherman-Alow me-
Mr. Fulleron-No, you will allow me, please II they
want to introduce Mr. Southwick to contradict the wit
the stand In regard to this matter your Honor
will perceive 1t Is little out Of the proper order OF the
case this inquiry now ought to have been put
when the witness on the stand before II don't make
nny difference whether the subject referred to on my
former examination, whether they omitted 10 rerer 10
the rule is precisely the same They ought now to be
limited in their inquiries to Examination In regard
to matters 10 which directed the attention OF the
| witness
Mr. Evarts-That We agree to-
Judge Neilson-wc have not applied the rule In this
examination, and We will get through without the rule'
Mr. Evarts-Perhaps counsel will differ with each other,
II your Honor please and the Court not accord with
the views OF counsel and will assume your Honor Is
right in this view But this is the point are now at
IL IL always permissible at any time that an adverse
witness that is witness of adverse party, is on the
stand in reference any testimony that he has given to
indicate his bias
NeisOn-ThCref0re allowed the last answers 10
stand.
MI EvartsThat is our present inquiry, and we want
to pursue little further That is the only ground 1t
follow must exhaust testimony as to bias
on the original examination because 1t may not become
at all important until after the rebutting examination.
Mr.. shearman-Dd not you then say TO Mr. Southwick,
81 will show you letter which, IL published, shown
generally, would drive him out Of BroOklynf"
The Wituess-what date is this
Mr.. Shearman-AbOut tho time OF the Woodruff pub
LEGATION.
The wifne.s-I don't think did had any such
letter my possession. could not show him any such
letter
@ Are you positive you did not say sol A. don't
think-no, don't reco,ct saying so. may have said
that had apology, or something OF that Kind,
that was very damaging to Mr.. Beecher
O. And "ybich, IL shown generally, would drive him
out Of BROOKLYN a. Very possibly may have said So
but don't recolect that did.
O. Didn Mr.. Southwck then ask you II the charge |
against Mr.. Beecher adultery, and did MT you say
no A. No; don't recOllect anything VI that kind
O. Nothing OF that sOrti A. No. Sir.
@. Nothing in substance to that efecti A. No, sir'
@. Will you that you did mott A. will swear to
the best OF my recollection that do not think did
Q. That is positive you will be A. have no idea
I said so.
Q. Will you positively will you not that you |
did not say that to Mr.. southwcki A. 1 will 10 |
the best of my recollection said any such thing,
and cannot believe did
O. Did Mr southwick in that conversation ask you II
you believed that Mr. Beecher had committed adultery,
and didn't you answer Not" A. No, Sir; don't think
that any such question asked and II there was,
don't believe said No"
O. You think nothing Of that kind Occurredi A. don't
recollect that anything Of that kind occurred
G. Are you positive nothing Of that kind occurredi A.
am didn't say No to any such question that.
O. Did nothing Of this kind ct any conversation
between you and Mr. Southwick a. don't think there
did in that positive form.
Q. In that positive form. But did il, in substancei A.
don't think anything occurred in which Mr. South
wick asked me il believed Mr.. Beecher guilty OF
adultery, and said No." have recollection of any
thing OF the kind ever occurring.
O. Did he ask you II you any else, charged
him with adultery, and did you say "Nor A. don't
know whether he asked me, not.
@. And you don't know whether you answered
mott A. No. don't think ever answered so.
@ Did you never to Mr. Southwick charge Mr. Beecher
with adulteryi A never charged him with adultery.
O. Did you ever tell Mr. southwlck that Mr.. Beecher
had committed adultery with Mrs. TiltOnf A No,
don't think ever did.
O. Did you ever tell Mr.. Southwick that Mr. Tilton
charged adultery A. may have within the past year.
O. But not before this past year, A. don't think
ever did before.
Mr.. SOUTHwICK CENSURED FOR GIVING
GEN. TRACY POINTS
@. How often did you talk with Mr.. South
wick about this subject of the scandal A. don't know.
O. Didn't you begin talk with him from very early
day-rom 1871 A. think about the first talked
after the Woodruff scandal published; think along
there.
O. From that time on, haven't you talked with him
frequently Oh talked with him from time to tme
yes Sir.
O. Haven't you talked about what the charge was
Mr. w A. L