The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-03-21
Senator Lord Draws His
TOmahaWk.
The Governor Denounced as a Partner OF
Tweed. who Turns ''InfOrmer."
Speaker Mcclure Neutral and Anxious to
Preserve Harmony in the Party
The Caucusing at the Metropol-
itan Hotel.

called at the metropolitan Hotel with view Vi
ascertalning Senator jarvis LORDS views upon the
special Message OF Governor Tilden relative 10
the mlsmanagement of the canals and the frauds
OF the Canal Ring. He was informed that the
Senator and other politicians mad gone to the
Mayors ONCE TO attend conference At one
O'Clock. Thither the writer repaired, and, send
ing in his card was soon admitted. There ne
found large number OF politicians OF the city
and State, including Speaker Mcclure. Assembly
man Johnson and ex-Speaker Hitchmau. When
informed OF the object OF the reporters visit
Senator Lord left the little coterie OF politicians
behind the Mayors desk, with whom he was in
conference, with the remark
There Is no better opportunity for me to talk
to you than the present. Come aside"
He conducted the reporter to window at the
east side OF the room, and, alter they had taken
seats, senator Lord opened IN this way
senator LoRD-You want to talk, sir. l sup.
posed Tilden owned all the papers. He says ne
mas bought them ALL
REPoRTER-In what way has the Governor made
this statement? In private conversation, chr
senator LoRD-Yes, sir; d-(hesitating)-
from the tone Of them should Judge that he had
1t has got TO be q bad state OF things, don't you
think, when the Governor Of State buys up
the press
REpoRTER-Has he stated liz public that he mas
bought up the press
Senator LORp--Yes, to many: that be has paid q
large sum OF money to control the press.
REPoRTER-Has he named the papers
senator LoRD-From what he said man could
nslnuase dnier-REPoRrER) that ne had bought
them all.
REPoETEK-All the press OF the State, Senator
Senator LoRD-No; all in the city.
REPoRTER-Has he made that statement to you
personally ?
senator LoRD-Yes.
REPORT ER-When Recently
Senator LORD-Not since the LIST OF January.
REPoRrER-And you naturally infer that
Senator LORD Qnterruptingl That he owns
them, and l think 1t is q very dangerous state Of
Things when the Governor or any one else at.
tempts to corrupt the press. Don't your
MISUNDERSTANDING. But what about his Mes.
sage
senator LoRD-There Is nothing in his Message
but what is on file in the Auditors Office that any
body can read. They are open TO everybody. He
has given no new light upon the canal frauds, II
any exist.
REPoRTER-Then, what do you conceive TO be
the obseet OF Governor Tilden for this Messages
senator LoRD-It Is with the idea that 1t will
make him popular he has the White House on the
Dram. l can't see how 1t will advance him IN that
direction very much. 1 think IT will be dlnicult
Tor him TO make the people believe that all the
state officers who have been elected by the people
as members OF the Canal Board in the last twenty
years have been corrupt men. have known most
or hem. and believe them to be honest and up
right men. From my knowledge OF the Governor
have never seen anything TO believe tnar he Is
more honest tnan the common run Of
REPoRTEB-Shall l say men," politicians" or
'oficials 2''
Senator LoRD-Men-men.
The Senator here hesitated for a Re " moments and
.ast glauces in the direction OF the politicians
VINO were gathered about the desk of Mayor Wick
ham. he then resumed as follows, speaking very
slowly, as though weighing the effect OF his utter
sncss
Senator LoRD-An the robberies committed in
the city OF New YORK were perpetrated upon the
Treasury by the Tammany Ring while he Tllden)
was at the head OF it. That's SO, isn't its
REPoRrEa-I don't know. He was a member OF
the Tammany Society, It IL true, but he was not
D, the head OF Tammany.
Senator LoRD-He and Tweed always attended
conventions together. Tney were both delegates
up 20 1871, when
TILDES TURNED INFoRMER
ami sent Tweed TO BacKweps Island.
REPoRTER-That is very explicit charge.
Senator LoRp-Yes. T1lden's particular friendn
In the Legislature OF 1872 was Attorney General
serupulous republicans in the State. He is said
10 be one OF the class characterized BY the late
lamented Havemeyer as those who
SIT UP ALL NIGHT TO CHEAT EACH OTHER
and all day to cheat the public.
RsPoRrER-But, Senator, the Governor makes
direct charges Of fraud, and IL Is claimed by some
that you are
MEMBER OF THE CANAL RING.
senator LORD do not believe there nave been
any frauds perpetrated. II so am not aware OF
them, nor a party 70 them. II having WORK In the
form OF contracts on the canals makes a man q
member or The Canal Ring you can class me as q
member OF IL from 1850 70 1870. That record am
proud of. BY referring to the Canal AUDITORS re-
ports during this period you Will find that the
Canal Ring-if you choose to call 1t so-paid into
the treasury OF the State So 900 per year
over and above the cost OF maintenance. making
In ten years over
THIRTY MILLION DOLLARS PAID INTO THE TREASURY
toward extnguishing the canal debt Had the
canals been ran in that way until 1874 the canal
debt would have been paid. But Horalo Sc mour
advocated In 1870 a reduction Of tolls and large
expenditures for completing tue canals, which was
adopted By the Legislature against very earnest
protest. Since that time the people have been
taxed, and unjustly so, for the maintenance OF
the canals. My position was IN 1870 that all the
vorr and expenses Tor the maintenance OF these
public works should have been paid from the re.
sources OF the same. In 1875 we fna our distn.
guished Governor
AMAZING FROM A Rip VAN wINKLE SLEEP
aud trying to impress upon the people that he has
made new discovery by sending special Mes
sage to the Legislature advocating the same
policy advocated In the Legislature OF 1870 ex-
cept In the reduction OF tolls.
Here Speaker Mcclure ana other politicians ap-
pealej to the Senator from the Twenty-eignth
district TO leave and not permit himself to be
'spumped dry - but the Senator displayed a desire
~ be pumped 10 the sediment and contGued:-
senator LonD-In that particular ttolls) in his
annual Message oovsrnes znosn was sound. Now