The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-01-26

! MISS Proctor. we never believed word OF the
| threatened or OF the actual publication.
! Judge Neilson-Wny refer to the actual publica-
tlOn
! Mr. Evarts--Because the actual publication is in
the matter. We don't refer to it.
Judge Neilson-ir Is hardly in and win not be in.
! Mr.. tvarts-Wc are not the that are to be
made the subject OF inpusation In wishing to oring
MISS PrOctor's name in.
Proctor's name Is concerned. VIII De stricken out
and the name VIII be omitted thereafter TO VIM
dIcate that lady ii certainly ought to be omit ted,
| Mr.. Evarts-Your honor wiil note our excep.
| ton 10 that direction.
Judge Neson-As 10 this witness having violent
! feelings, you nave "a right TO snow tnat.
Cross. examination continued ny Mr. Tracy
Q. what dtd You say 10 Mr.. storrs concerning
! had nnderso. d chat was not 10 be cross. ex-
| ahmed By The comm tee.
Mr.. Tracy have reference
! Mr.. Beach-Wait a moment.
Winess-l SAID understood was not to be
| cross -examlned by the committee; that had
examination, and that | didn't want nm as q
memoer to sign that repori until had an oppor-
tunl OF being cross.eXainined by the committee,
TOT II as a member ne signed That report wtnous
giving me an opportunity 70 be cross examined.
ne could not poss oily know ine truth. and tnat II
MAKE a publication OF facts In reply, and That
publication, as understood my counse. advised r.,
would erhaps cross the threshold Of ms family.
and came to see him as personal friend, telling
SAID 70 him. 81 want you. Mr.. Charles s sorrs' to
put 1t only upon the ground OF my Oelng cross-ex-
ahmed. fell Jour brother ! CON want MIN to
sign that report until have had an opportunity
OF c oss examination. when the iacts have
stated in PRINT may be July known.n that is
what | SAID; | went 10 see Charles Storr5 as o
friend, and have gwen iC as nearly as l can re-
collect 1t.
sir.
Q. Did you have conversation with him on tire
floor OF the Produce Exchange within two or three
months on the subject OF the woodruff scandal ?
A. Yes.
@. Have you since the Investigating Committed
Q. Haven't your A. | don't recoect precisely.
z, Dldn't You tcll him that Beecner was
DAMNED PERIL REt AND IlBERTiNEP
A. ] don't know whether | told aim he was q
damned perIurcr and hbertine; i may have told
him he was perjurer and hbertine, as ne Is.
MOULTON EXCITED.
Frank MOulton got in y leading answer at half
past three ON the subject OF threatening Augustus
Storrs. 1t was one unbroken, complete and
effective sentence, SO coaently expressed that
nobody could get an interruption in on 1t. For
the first time the witness was warmed up.
Asked afterward If he had not called .Beecher q
damned libertiDe ana sneak. MoulLon replied -
Il don't know whc sher used the word damned y
may have said be was libertine ana sneak, az
he isln
This greatly excited the Plymouth party, ana
they hobnobbed together ana looked as if the day
OF plasphemy had arrived.
HE HAS THREATENED NOBODY.
@. Did you tell MIR. Barber so? A. | don't recol-
lect whether told Mr. Barber so not.
q. Have you ever threatened persons with dan
ger TO themselves II they should testify on be.
ened persons II they should testify Oh behalf or
the defendant
q. Have you threatened any persona A. No;
have not threatened any person.
z. Have you threatened Mr.. Armour ifS he
Should testify against you on this trlaY A. No.
Y. Do you know him? A. Yes.
o.. Did nave conversation with him
upon the subject OF ms tesrimonJY A. No. sir; but
mad q conversation with MN with regard 10 an
Interview with hun In the paper.
@. Dio you state 10 him You would crush him9
A. No; he Is not IN the habit OF being crushed.
@. Did You ever threaten to crush him Tor any.
thing? A. NO.
q. Did you have any talk with him about his
being q witness on thus trIaly A. / don't THINK /
said anything to him ABOUT being q witness; he is
not man l would use sucn language tn, MIR.
Mr.. Fullerton-They are using so much timo
mcaning the deence) that l lear they will not
iuihl tneir promise to finish the cross-eXamina-
MIR. Beach--Give them time, give them time.
Anotner example OF small matter over large
space.
Gross examination resumed by Mr. Tracy
Now, Mr.. Moulton, during the interview with Mr..
Beeclier on the niqht OF December 50, 1870. was
there anything SAID 10y Mr. Beecher as to the truth
laIsity oil hirs. uiton's cOniessiOnY
Mr.. Fulterton--Does your Honor permit them Tor
the iItn time to 90 back to that interview Of
Judge Neilson--on the grounds that it is some
question thaL they tOrEOs.
Mr.. Evarts-lt Is "a question excluded. We have
asked whether there was anything said at tnat
interview concerning the truth or lalsiry 0f Mrs.
Mr.. FuIlcrton-It is the first time this question
has ocen asked. but 1t Is the fifth time That the
tTansac ions Of the Both December have been gone
through My objection Is that you can't return
TO IL.
Judge Neilson-r will allow that as part of the
conversation which yOu overlooked.
wraDgie here occurred between Mr.. Beach
and Mr.. Eyarts, without much result.
Witness-inc only word that was said to me
with regard TO Mrs. Tiltons confession was at the
loot OF the stairs, when he SAID, "Have you seen
the confession rn and SAID | had, and he said.
at vii XIII me;" whether that's q denial don't
q. After tire interview between Beecher and
Tiiton had closed that night did Mr.. T1ltOn say
To you that all dr.. Beecacr said touching the con-
fession OF his Vie's adultery was-did Tilton say
10 YOU that al the answer that Beecher made to
han after what DC mad said TO him was
this rs ALL DREAM, THEODORE"
A. Titon tod me after ne mad spoken to
Bcecher. Mr.. Beccher SAID, "ThL5 Is all q dream,
Theodore
Mr.; Eysr,s-Bs said that was all the answer
answer Beecher made; that Is all remember.
PLEASED WITH TRACY.
About this time Tracy wanted to consign tho
great bound book lie was rearing questions from
n book as large as merchants ledger, filed with
cast iron questions-to Mr.. She arman 10 complete
the INQUIRY. The plainnfrscoupsel SAID they were
very well pleased with Tray, and preferred that
he continue. so Mr. Sherman did not get
chance.
TALK WITH Mr.. JACOBS.
By MT. Tracv-D0 you know Senator Jacobs
OF TINS city-John &. Jacoosf A. Yes, Sir.
q. DID you ever have conversation with him
at Albany at any time with iegaru 10 the Beecher-
Tilton ,candall a. don't Eoollect whether did
or not
q, DID you at Albany IN The spring OF 1873, or
the winter OF 1873 during the session OF the
Legislature OF 1873 IN conversation with Mr..
Jacobs, when the Beecher-nton scandal was the
SUBJECT, say TO MIN tnat II TINS matter was ever
investigated Mr.. Beccaer wsuld prove to be all
rigltY a. | DON'T recollect whether aid or not.
q. DO you remember that you did no. A. II |
had any recollection about II would tell you, Mr..
Tracy.
q. You mean TO say you haze no recollection ?
A. have not.
Q. DO YOU recollcct conversation with him on
the subject A. think dd talk with Ar. Jacobs
about 1t.
q. In that conversation did you say anything IN
substance OF what have reIeatcdf A. tninK I
carried the impression that A. Beecher was not
guilty man.
q. D,dn't you say In substance that whenever
the truth OF this matter was known Mr.. Beechcr
would prove TO be IN innoceit mani A. DON'T
rccn act | said af MN