The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-04-14

dlspossess him from The editorial chair, but mat
ne thought ne could retain ms services as . gon.
lrIbntor, and make him almost as uselui az y ne
were edItor-ln substance that-that no sooner,
however, mad IL become known that he and AR.
Illton had so far disagreed as that ne had been
made contributor rather than editor; theu ne was
congratulated by various friends. ana tnat they
began TO tell him stories about Mr. Tt0n Wnlcn
astOnlshed nlhl, anu that ne was ANNOYED " nhd
how many persons knew Ill things Of MN: ne
made the remark that the stories poured IN on
MN IKE clouds; ne went on 20 instance many OF
them: ne aluued 10 the Winsted AFFAIR." he
alluded TO an AFFAIR "a the Northwest, which
he didn't 90 INTO nor explain; he gave me
an account 81 an occurrence that took place IN his
own office; also expressed 70 MN my aslonisas
menJ ana said that 10 was painfully verified IN
some knowledge tnat had been conveyed 10 me;
/ told him OF the visit tnat nad been made 70 me
by Bessie Turner, and the substance OF her state.
ment; | told him that there were rumors anoar
respecting another person. which heard Of from
truth there was IN them, aud that always hoped
Tor the oestin regard 10 such things ne then went
MIR. TILroN WAS NO FRIEND or MINE;
that when he was discussing with Mr.. Ilton the
subject OF his changed relations In the paper, Mr.
Tllton's expressions anu manner Indicated great
feeling against me i expressed my feelings about
Mr.. Iilton, my long acquaintance with MIN. my
themselves; [ told him that thought that ia
MS relations TO the Independent MS Judgment
MAD peen OF opinion eatu for some ns Time tnat
Mr.. Tltons relations as editor were taxing me
paper out OF the old channel. religious cnanne toi
It's financial matters | knew notnngl, tnat tue
p per was aways-Its Interests were Away dear
10 me because Of my long connection with u rom
It's foundation and tnat my Impression was tnaL
he scarcely would stop wltn Mr.. Tlton upon tliS
contributory PLATFORM; he then spoke OF the
Brooklyn Upi0n and said he had heen turning IL
in his mind whether he could continue MIN there
even, ana made some statements which can.
not recall; SAID thaC IL ddn't
seem to me that man that was tainted could
prosper any paper OF his, and that dldn't pc.
lteve that Mr. Iilton was man mat could WORK
with men unless he led them, and that as con.
troutor TO the republican Journal in BROOKLYN
tnougnt ne would be lmpracticabe and would DC
tnen returned to some other topics touch-
ing morals, and said That my vile was oet, u,s
OF Mr. Tliton's alleged history, ana
tnat II he would see her ! thought
1t would perhaps give him some night on Ii; soon
alter lie eit, snaKng hands with me very cordialD.
saying he would De my friend whatever might hap
pen the result oi rms messenger tnat is the SUD-
stance as near as can just now recall II.
Q. YOU BELIEVED WHAT MIR. BOWEN TOLD YOU
that night, didn't YOU A. dd.
O. And the observation that you made In regard
10 the proprlety OF continuing MIN as eoltor ut
contributor o. the Independent was,ln good ialtn
q Now, Mr.. Beecner. what feeling did that
letter OF the 26tn, written by Mr.. Illton 70 yoe
demanding that you should leave the pulpit and
quit Brooklyn, excite in your A. Wei, II exclted
III me the feeling that the man VAS beside MIN
sell.
O. Feel tnat IL was an insult ? A. Yes sir, cer-
talnly IN tnat category should say.
Q. You didn't know OF any cause he had Tor
making that demand upon you 7 A. NO JustlyIug
o. And therefore you felt indignant that he
way, dld youY A. | was greatly surprised, sir.
tnTTough ~ WITH sne indionatlon. Iasy Won whether
you didn't feel indignantly A. Pure and simple.
O. Did you leel lndignantl A. Part oil 1t was lns
q. Did you feel angerS A. No. sir, Indignation.
T. You settled down upon your Indignation
Q. On your WORK: very well. NOW when did
you next see Mr.. lltons 4. think tne ne1s
time saw Mr.. lilton was at Mr.. Mouton's mouse,
on the 30tn oil December.
O. OF the same monins A. OF the same month.
q l think you have stated that Mr. Monitor
called upon you with message from Mr.. TIsonf
@ And believe it was on Friday nights A. on
O. When mad you last seen Mr.. Moulton before
lhatS A. Well, sir, ! can't exactly say bat my
IMPRESSION Is / hadn't seen him since 1859; tnas
was he time sat 10 Mr.. Page.
O. Then you were not intimate with himS A.
No. sir, Was acquainted with MIN, but not iuIl-
q. Wen, what ala he say TO you when ne came In
1rstg A. GOOD evening, SIR"
q. Well what Iollo = ed that? A. Well sir, | said
"GOod evening" too. (Laugafer).
Judge Nellson-Gentlemen. you will please be
quiet.
The Wltness-Do you wish me 10 state the SUD
stance oil the whole interviews
o. Ii 4 did not WISH IL l snou!d not have asked
for IT. A. l am SO constantly afraid OF coin2
q. You can't do right. That is an unfortunate
condition TO get mo want you 10 tell US the
whole OF that interview, ana tax your recoecuun
SO as TO give II IN detail A. II was merely that
MIR Hilton had requested MIN 10 call, asked nun 10
/ then sand 10 nlc,, '.wny Mr. Mouron, IL Is
my FRIDAY night meeting: and it would be very
announcement Tor me 10 do sou He SAID in sub
stance. IL think the matter Il OF sunicent In
portanca Tor you 10 iorego your meeting AID
/ saIu, "Well, can get somebody-ME Bell AveS
near oy-I can get some one 10 take my meetlnPp
ana either called on tr seut To Mr.. Bell, aud
/ accompanied him. The conversation was aoout
0. Wen. Mr.. Beecher, the Friday night prayer
meeting IN Plymouth churcn Is an important
feature In IT'S servlcesS A. IL - now lar more
than II vas then. -
q. Dlu you net tnlnG IL
A LITTLE EXTRAORDINARY
that man no had Insulted you oy that letter Of
tue 26tn should send peremptory message 70 you
TO come ana see MIN a. No, SIR; thought tnat
the man mat sent me sncn letter would send me
q. You thought you would leave your prayer
meeting ana answer that message A. ueler-
mined TO leave my prayer meeting and near wnai
O. The request was that you should 60 TO Mr..
Moultons house A. Yes, SIR.
u. Well, dld you regard MI. MoultOn al that time
as friend OF Mr. Illtonf A. Yes SIR
q. Az Intimate lrlendf "A. Yes. SIR.
q. Wen, did ycu get somebody TO attend tue
PRAYER meeting IN Jour places A. Yes, sir.
O. And you went or at the beck OF the man wn'
had insulted you on the 2etn TO know wnat %
q. Now, what was The manner OF Mr. MoultoI
when ne came tnereG A. That OF gentleman.
Y. Wen, gentlemen can sometimes pc excltet
ana be gentlemen STILL Was ne excltedY A. No
not any exte MAJ excitement
q. Wen, was there any internal excitement
A. lie bau the manner OF a mau WAC lett ne mad
An IMPORTANT ERRAND.
q. And how did ne manifest that 7 A. By ais
tones. Dy his general manner.
q. som etning a little peremptory la MS tone
A. ON, no: there was something nat conveyed 10
Inc tnat he felt it to be very important.
q, Well, ala you regard IT as PROBABLY impof-
tant2 A. | couu tell better after l heard IL;
thought VI sufficiently important
q. 4 asked you what you regarded IL beioref A.
! tnongns IL o. sufficient importance 10 20.
q. Well was there anything In the manner o.
Mr.. Moulton on that occasion which attracted
your attention or excited your observation A
Yes, sir.
o. Well. what was III A. IL was that he had
b. ought me message IN very earnest maunar
q Well, now ala nls earnestness manifest ltselE
A. IN MS tones and general dsmean0r.
O. ralK loudf A. No, SIR.
q. Excltedg A. NO, sir; ne was q gentleman.
q. Wei, gentlemen sometimes tax loud, ex'
cited A. But, then, they are not gentlemen.
q. Oh yes tneT are. A. 1nat Is the exceptions
part
q. Let me read'to you. See n you recognize the
description given OF this meeting on another 90
caslon "0n Tuesday evening, December 80, 1870
ABOUT seven OiclocK-
Mr.. Morrs--lt SHOULD be Friday.