The New York herald., 1875-08-28
IR A PAIN e.
His Estimate of BOgarduS and the Eng
IiSh Pigeon Shooters.
ENGLISH VS.. AMERICAN STYLES
Paine 10 Shoot a Match with His Old An
tagOniSt Next Week.


and with the view of obtaining the sentiments of
professional who has confined his efforts TO this
Continent, your correspondent waited upon Mr. Ira
Paine at his hotel this evening and questioned him
rernng the statements OF the victorious Captain pub
lshed in yesterdays HERALD Mr. Paine evidently
surprised OF Tie statements made with refer
ence to the methods Of shooting in England My
question was, what do you think of pigeon shooting
in England as Mr.. Bogardus pictures its"
NOT A CLEAR IDEA
"He doesn't give any ccar idea By any means about
It, have dozen pupils who beat the scores hc
at the disancesscores of the he defeated.
do not consider the scores anything than
of our amateurs beat ho docs not give any idea of
English shooting"
"But do you not consider he has had good men to
contest with on the other sideY" | asked.
''rheir performances do not show it, Decidedly not
Both Shaws and Rimmes scores prove this He shot
those out in the eighties in hundred bird match
and here he has only been able TO beat his
Two birds, aud in instance he beaten by an
amateur in contestng for the Champion Badge at Sara
ioga-viz, by Harvey Brown of Cleveland"
"He says his interview that he felt that no could
outshoot any Engishman from the outset. What do
you think the reason for making this assertionY'
DID MEET SHOTS
81 think II is because he has not paid particular at
enton the merits of the the other side the
pains they take to keep in condition and their immense
practice Another thing, Mr. Jairay, who was a crack
Amateur and could hold his with amateurs pro-
fessonals or at least, nearly So is at present hand
raped at twenty-sx yards at the birmingham Club in
London, and the Gun Club, and several gentlemen
Iuch as Sir Reginald Herbert, Sir William Call Captain
Neville the Lucy Brothers and othersstand thirty
yards to Jaflrays twenty six yards giving him, say
four yards and neither Bogardus any other in
this country could scarcely afford to do this have
known him to shoot with professional man here in
match, and his shooting excellent that it took
four ties to decide the event. the professional only
winning it by bird. Therefore, when l say it was
rather rash assertion that he could beat any of the
English, mean that he had taken sufficient pains
10 post himself the skill of their amateurs and say
Ibis in the irlendliest spirit"
AMERICAN BIRDS
"From Captain Bogardus statement it would seem
that the birds of England Of superior character
md therefore difficult to kl?"
"Yes, ! know they are superior to ours. have i'm
ported them and know them 10 be He will probably
remember that gave him 100 to shoot at once They
smaller bodies larger wings and ninety five out
Dfevery hundred will 60 straight away OF the trap
like lightning almost The English blue rock is bred
for the purpose by certain men, who supply them
the clubs -
THE STYLES
''What is the difference between the English and
American styles Of shooting far your observation
has extended?'' asked.
II like the American school the best which teaches
the put the his face and after prop
srly sighting his bird down the barrel pull the trig
ger"
"Many persons claim that you are a 'snap shot,
while Bogardus is said to hold the bird, which, you
say is the true method. How do you reconcile 2"
because my bird SO much quicker than he
hat hae fha Of lamar 1cl,oo
when it really not II were snap shooting could
not kill so many birds. But, to return the style:
don't like what have seen of certain amateurs who
have been abroad When they go forward to the mark
notice that they take their guns and raise the barrels
to elevation of nearly forty five degrees and then
apparently the horizon from three points ofthe COM
pass though the birds drop from the Clouds
but this is at variance with what consider good
craftsmanship, form and STYLE and is OF possible
assistance. The proper method is to bring the gum
possibly the face and that everything
is clear that buttons pockets are proruding TO
Interfere with perfectly free After the regular
sall Are you rcadyY to call Pull sharply, and
1atey when the bird rises bring the gun well up to
Ihe face take quick sight and give him both barrels
30 that you to have the full effect Of your
and half ounces OF shot-in other words to kill your
bird nsantaneousy-to shoot at each bird as though
you had pair"
PA1NE's CONTESTS WITH BoGARDUs.
"How do you for the fact that Bogardus has
beaten you in the great majority of your machesHI
asked
"Chiehy attribute his victories in matches to
his great steadness and his regular mode OF life living
he has DONE with gun constantly in his hand If
Bogardus had trained in New York with Harry Felter
or Selah Smith as did and on the other hand had
trained on the prairie he did, perhaps the result
would have been little different you know" said
Paine, with merry twinkle in his eye. ''But, it
was" said Paine, tour shooting was not alarmIngy
different We first met for the champion badge and for
$1,000, in which defeated him by a score Of SO to
81 He then challenged me again for the same badge
and the same amount, and he by killing 81 to my
Sc Determined to have a third trial | challenged him
again, and we shot at Chicago when l killed SO to
his 81 birds out OF tho 100-makng an exact
average for both Of out Of 300 each
shot at Next l challenged him to shoot at
Fleetwood Park and bet him ST. 200 81 OoO each to
furnish birds for the other distance twenyone yards
ground traps 1t here that gave him the 100 Eng
lsh blue rocks because considered them better than
The best that could be found In America guess he
thought so, too at that time, and beat him by one
bird-score 70 and so out Of the 100 shot Then
shot him for the Lorillard badge, at Stamford Conn.,
when he killed 80 birds to my 37 out Of so each My
asst match with him at Prospect Park which he
and this accounts, probably for the splendid
paper. These facts speak for themselves"
THE QUESTION CHAMPIONSHIP
"Are you Of opinion that the Captain tho best
shots in England 2" inquired
"Decidedy not" said Paine. ''Bogardus, to have
made hts claim good the champion shot Of the world
should have met Of the crack shots Of the
Hurlngham Club such as walace aud others AS he
did not do this competent gentlemen here arc unable to
decide the question OF the championship What tho
majority Of amateurs and professionals hoped was that
once IN Europe Bogardus would not hesitate TO try
elusions with the best that might be brought against
him. Having beaten the best his claim would have
been fully established; but meeting the best the
English say he manifestly cannot be called the cham
pion, because he might go over and be beaten next
month"