The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-02-16
Testimony Of Whiting Before the
Ways and Means Committee.
His Employment to influence
Senator Cole.
A SIGNIFICANT CHECK.
Weakened Answers to Very
Hard Questions.
John Roach's Protest to Congress on Behalf Of
Shipping Interests.

SVuu hV9CH EIVtCSt " CUu6I0SS VII OOuol4 VI
Shipping Interests.
WASHINGTON, Feb Is. 1875.
The Ways and Means Committee resumed the
Pacific Mail subsidy investigation this morning in
public.
Moses Dillon formerly oookkeeper in the Ser.
geantatArrns' ONCE, was recalled, and the
ofncial stenograpner read to him the un record OF
his examination by the committee IN private SEES.
sion last Saturday. Mr.. Dillon tnereupon anlrmed
the correctness of the record and signed 1t. 1t
appeared that when Dillon was examined by this
committee during the last Congress he testified as
TO the making OF memoranda or the initials Of
several Congressman who had thousand
hollar bills changed In the once about the
tme OF the passage Of the SUBSIDY bill,
Dut that ne went before the committee the
next day and withdrew his testimony and asked
to have the proceedings expunged. which, at his
request, was accordingly done. When questioned
by the committee last Saturday Dillon swore he
could not recall any tAe names that he then put
Gown on his tablet and subsequently erased ex-
ceptng Messrs. voorhees,. Storm and Winchester
and they we're recalled to his mind only by the
TACT that they had recently been here and testified
on the subject. He swose also that he had an ex-
ceedinQly bad memory for names and had been
necessity
their names when they came into the once.
Mr.. Kasson corroborated this statement % re.
garding himself
Witness continued BY saying that he put down
the initials OF some OF the gentlemen who had
large bills broken up at that time merely out of
q spirit OF sport; there we're certainly six OF
them, and probably more; there might possibly
have been thirteen or fourteen; he remembered
giving the committee Of the last Congress the
initials Of one member only-namely. that OF Mr..
Voorhees,.
Questionable you not give the initials ii. B..
s." and say that you supposed they stood for
"Jonn B. Storm ?"
W,tness-I confess that was mortified good
deal about It, and after the committee agreed to
expunge the whole matter erased the names
from my tablet ana from my memory. Witness,
continuing said he put the initials down gen.
orally Immediately after the bills were changed,
but not in the presence Of the members. he
could not recollect how long this was after the
q. We would ike you to reproduce everything
you KNOW ABOUT the transaction A. have said
knowledge OF the matter at IL.
Q. Alter you testified before the committee last
the anu TO aSp soar ss
q: what did that grow ous ot-yoar satisfaction
that you were mistaken A. No, SIR; It grew out
Of my modification at having been led on to take
those names a. all; 1T was matter in which mad
It had been the means OF leprivinR me OF the good
opinion OF some gentlemen whose esteem valued
very highly. and erased the names from my
books and from my memory.
4. II. WHITING TEsTIFIES.
Bridgeport, N. r. was next examined. lie testi.
ned that IN January, 1872, he was employed by
energies TO the work OF promoting the massage OF
the Pacific Mail Subsidy bill by the use or all
proper and legitimate means; Irwin agresd to pay
n por mi varv
year that the contract might run; subsequently,
this arrangement was changed, aud 1t was agreed
pated contract should be capitallzed and ut
$4,000; this was the total amount tnat witness
MS was @ lnRsenoe 0p Senasor
coie to favor the subsidy and remove
TO exist In his mind against irwin: witness found,
So. when be came to Washington that
sreaS1 wsrmy a aVor on he 9g
and July committed TO II; witness did nothing 10
earn the money ne subsequently received from
Irwin, except 10 talk with everybody he knew
about the national advantages to be derived from
authorizing the seml-monthy China mail service
and granting an increased compensation.
rne witness repeated, In reply to o question,
that ne ala not remember or having spoken to
any MEMBER OF she House, but In accordance with
his agreement he was TO do anything he could To
hep The subsidy BY speaking iavOrably OF the
Mr.. Kasson-rhen what you did was in the
Senate and not IN the House? A. Yes as far as
q. WHAT were you asked by Irwin to do In the
senator A. Irwin SAID he thought certain
Senator was cross toward him personally, ana he
desired that That senator should become favorably
disposed TO the measure; the name OF the Senator
was Mr.. Cole; Irwin was deslrous OF removing
up Tor the measure heartily; irwin asked me to
see him; did 50 and at the first interview dis
and that Cole would support the measure; he
could not do otherwise, as 1t was one In winch his
o. We're You asked to sec any other Senator A.
! 90 not remember.
The AMOUNT OF CONVERSATION.
9. It appears that you received $50, 500 for your
work A. received that amount for the time
spent but not tor that particular WORK; ielt my
IN An extensive business Of my own; the business
Of our commercial house was TO the extens OF
wardlne member OF the Arm i came from Arizona
to New YORK, ana from New York to Washington.
been engaged ~ IRWIN TO disp pose senator Coles
MUD iavoraoly TO mo subsidy, Mr.. Cole having
% ms s g 3. wa. a as
nscsed IN conssagunity with Mr. Coles wlle; Mr..
sisters he never sod Mr. cos Whs. ne w Was W sm.
ployed for by Irwin or what money he had re.
ceivea or was 70 receive he led Mr. Cole TO believe
THAT he was speaking from Pacific point OF
Tor himself exclusively, and was not dirscsed 20
'A'''" sSsPcr1ous CHECK.
Mr.. Kasson showed witness a check drawn by
dorsed by MIR. Cole and BY George D. Krumtnoor,
q Pniladelphia. Tns Gate OF the check was
November III, 1871 lUe WltuesS having been
asked TO state The facts In connection with the
check, said:-Between the 9th and 18th OF Novem-
Der he was confined TO his home by sickness; ne
sent the check to Mr.. Cole who was IN Pniladel.
phia. and asked him TO pay II with the money he
owed to Krumtnoor, which ne did and took . re.
:eipt IN Witness name; thls Was altogether a
private transaction, in which Mr. cole mad no In.
terest witness had become liable Tor the pay
ment OF the dent; the business might be called
transaction In stock; Krumfhoor was the Treas
urer OF the California CONSTRUCTION Company, and
the money paid to him was SUBSCRIPTION to
stUck.
Nr. Dawes asked whether the cheek itself, pay
Abe to the order oil Mr.. Krum moor, win the lat
ters Endorsement. would not have been u sum-
elent receipt, without Mr. Coles IN terventioD.
The witness replied that 1t might have been
Detter 70 send the check III that way: the Caifor.