The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-03-16

z. Where did mat conversation occurT A III
O. State how you care to meet Mr.. Tnton
there? A. can't think precisely now 1t was; MI.
Illton dined with me az Demonico's.
Q. Did you have any conversation with him on
that occasion concerning Mr.. Beecner anu the
members OF Plymouth church, ana state wnat thaI
was IN substance as near as you can recolect.
Mr.. Beach objected, ana said that that was
Mr. shearman retorted, saying that 1T was per-
feety material 10 The ISSUE as they would snow.
Judge Nellson-We Will take it, then, aud see
General Pryor rose and SAID Elf Your Honor
please, what is said as to the Plymouth church
members III that conversation Is not material TO
this case" The Court, however. directed the
witness to proceed, and Mr.. Shearman reiterated
wilness-l can't state the conversation in sub
stance; do not remember more one or two
facts thereof; We were discussing Mr.. Beecher.
Plymouth cnurcn and its members, and comment
@. what was said on that subjects
General Pryor objected that what was said as
relevant and had nothing to do with TINS suit.
Mr.. Snearman said: al take it that Mrs.Tilton Is
a member u Plymouth church, II IL comes to
General Pryor asked Where will we end
w Wound ihs That
question nave thought OF that many time.
o. Wei, what was the substance OF the converse
tiong A. The conversation was CHIEFLY IN regard
10 Mr.. Beecner. and grew out OF comments about
Plymouth church and its members /; l remarked
that was glad rnat Mr.. Beecher during his long
connection with the church had escaped al
were concerned; Mr.. T1lJon answered, and said
HAVE LOST FAITH IN THE MAN.
And said TO MIN, DO you mean 10 intimate, Mr.
Tliton. Dy at that you think Mr. Beecher mas
answered me again, az nave lost faith In the
man." said. "Tnose remarks coming from you
VINO have been so long and Innate friend OF MT
Beecher mean something, and l want TO know
now whether you charge him with criminalty
with women, and said agalll-
Mr. Beach rose and objected, and said the range
OF questions ON this point was immateria, as
sidered pertinent to this case. and 1t might make
the defence liable TO sustain the proofs II 1t was
not the intention OF the counsel to do 80 then this
ties imony Was not admissible. II the evidence
come in the form OF an accusation against Mr..
Beecner. then they (plantiip night be permitted
10 sustain the accusation. He doubted whether
the Court would permit them To assert IN answer
as 1t is not pertinent 10 the ISSUE suppose the
plaintiff said Mr.. Beecher was pure or, suppose
lie SAID Mr. Beecher was polluted, ten years ago,
what relation would that have 10 this trlaY The
cnarge on trial arises onlv three Years ago, ana
now, mere, We are travelling back to this remote
perioI, wnen no charges, were made to influence
the result OF tins trial. He appealed TO the court
II 1t was admissible IN evidence.
Judge Neison-l ask that the question be put,
though DON'T see It's relevancy.
Mr.. Evarts asked, how Your Honor see It's
relevancy TIL you hear itY AS counsel ne would
show from the evidence which they would adduce
Mr.: Beach said IL was not sufficient tnat they
wat ting for extraordinary revelations all the
tlme
COUNSEL ADMoNIsHED AS TO BREvTrY.
counsel should call attention to the line of evi.
dence. In the face OF 1t it was not material. He
sides get to the real issue in TINS case.
In the ordinary course or this Court we take twice
p pie pieces OF testimony we're subjects OF ex-
tended consultation between counsel winch
seemed altogether unnecessary, and tine Court
hoped they would endeavor to use more expedl-
ton.
Q. what did you then say to Mr.. Tllton9 A. I
SAID again to him, as near as can remember. that
tnis coming from him meant something TO me;
asked HIM again wnetner ne meant tnst MI.
en-. aud he said again he had lost laith In the
man.
Q. After this conversation when did you see Mr..
Triton again A. 1 saw him again at my once; he
called on me about three days alter this CONVERSE:
ton OF which speak. and ne asked me II mad
seen Nj. Beecner, since he had tnat TAX at Del:
monico's; SAID hac seen Mr.. Beecher. and he
asked me what mad said 10 him; told him that
l said to Mr. Beecner the subs ance OF what he
said to me; he asked me why told Mr.. Beecher,
and SAID told Mr.. Beecher In order to put him
on his guard. because was friend OF his; he
said to me- 81 am disappointed III you; / mad
reliable friend y said to him. II should nave done
the same Tor you under the same circumstances II
you were in the same place." ne said ne was mis-.
taken In me ne then lett my of1ce and mas never
spoken TO me since.
THE JUDGE BoUNCEs THE DEFENCE
When Juason got through his testimony Mr.
Beach moved 70 strike 1t all out as immateriaL
The Judge said mo; let 1t stay in. II is as
harmless lamppost IN the street."
statesman-nke shocked and important face He
attempted mild rebuke to the Judge Tor prejudg.
ing evidence not to be important until they "con-
nected it."
The Judge said, with a rather angry face, tnat
such trivial evidence outrage in tho i'm.
portance Of judicial proceeding.
Great furry. Brother Sherman looked more
profoundly rabbinica than ever. Judson stepped
down and out.
ARCHIBALD BAXTER,
an old New YorA me chant and member OF Dr.
Storrs church, TOOK the chair at half-past three.
He was bald old party, with little Iurze hold.
ing to the top OF his head and great deal OF
beard depending from his chops. He swore that
Moulton had excused Beecher to him ana pro-
nounced Beecher Innocent.
Q. Are you member OF Rev. DR.. storrs church
A. am member OF Dr.. > orrs' church; have
been member for about twelve years
Q. Do you recollect the period OF tne publication
OF the woodruff scandal, in 1922 A. do.
q. Had you an In ervlew shortly after that pub
LEGATION with Francis d. Moulton ia reference
thereto A. had an interview with MIN on tho
subject: mad several conversations with Mr..
MouloD.
took pace A. The first timc Mr.. Mouton spoke
TO me on the subject was on the floor OF the
Pro luce Exchange; ne asked me If l had
o few moments TO spare; 1 told him l had.
when he called me ASIDE ana spoke Of the
/ running alter hin Tor a denial OF these charges,
that lie was annoyed; he SAD he thought Mr..
Beecner ought 10 De silent, tnOuxu tnere were
many others WHO thought ulfferent he said Iur.
tner that II MIR. Beecneris lite or twenty five years
in Brooklyn sufficient denial OF that
charge he aud not believe that any denial by MIN
would be any vInuloat.on; said my view OF the
case was, as long the story Is confined to tue
channel Ia winch lt IS now 1t could not do mucn
damage TO Mr.. Beecner, and nothing was to be
gained by GENIAL, but II It was taken up by re-
Specialize people then Mr.. Beecher would be
called on by mis- friends to make such ex.
PLANTATION as might be found necessary; in
the meantime / told him as iriend Of
MIR. Beecner's had no fam In them; Mouton
said that lie knew al aoouC these things and was
acquainted with the whole matter, and IL would
be mpOsslble Tor him 10 write letter OF DENIAL
OF part without explaining tie whole publication;
II he ola not cover every charge some snarp 10 W.
yer would pick out the nav and cay, "Onl he