The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-03-16

very plain. He himself said that T.ltou was an
enigma 10 him, and he offered the money
10 see what his answer would be. There
good deal OF confusion. undertake and laughter IN
the courtroom at this time, and this wholesale
way OF specializing IN secrets astonished people at
large. Meantime 1t also came out that q newspa-
per reporter had shrewdly manipulated the "true
story" out OF Beecher's hands, ana mad it die
tated to photographer. All the energies OF ma
ture and art appeared TO have worked TO drag out
the proportions OF this scandal and expose IL Ia
every part II was said that the witness Hartman
had contradicled the witness McKelway, who got
this "true story.r
cHoss-EXAMINATIoN.
10 Mt Beach, cannot remember tAe uate OF
the Interview at Bangs restaurant: think II was
IN April, lSl2-some time IN the spring; The nrst
paper that he showed me was the personal state.
ment emoodying Bowens letter; ne showed me
the true story" later at my house: l tainS Una.
interview was on the saturday before CHRISTMAS
think 1t was the 18th day OF the month"; think
II was in January, 1871 that Tilton showed me
letter from Bowen; do not remember IN any con-
Tered any imputatlon against his WE; ne always
against MIR. Beecher; his anlmus was all IN that
direction; he alluded 70 his vile, not alone IN
angnase eXempting aer oat 10 woras OF nns
session at the lime (; l shortly after received q
note from Mr.. Tilton, saying That he wanted 10
have the papers, as he was going to have those
papers submitted TO counsel, Mr.. Tracy ana tnen
they would be able 10 ascertain wiener Tue
be anxious to get the papers into his hands;
said, Mr. Tilton II that lining you call the true
storyn contains really true story you should pup
lish It and indicate your wife and let the world
know the exact facts IN the case, and II you have
a pecun airy object IN view on can make money
out OF its publication - offered him
FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS
II he would swear TO the truth OF the case ana give
me the right TO publish n; az these interviews
with Mr.. Iiiton referred to the possibility OF his
could sell million copies at twenty-five cents a
CODY; understood from Mr.. Tilton that the Bowen
charges insinuated by Henry Ward Beecher against
Iliton's character
Mr.. Hill then resumed his questions and witness
stated
Cd Mr.. Beeeher to leave MS pulpit, was based on
the charges OF Bowen the interview had with
Tilton after the Nooanull scandal was before the
one had with McKelwaY l believe saw the proof
slip, embodJ ing the personal statement and
Bowen's letter; Think saw the slip before the
woodruff scandal; when got 1t TO show Johnson,
tnat was the first time mao 1t IN my posses:
sion; my offer OF $4,000 to Mr.; llton related
through reading it offered MIN $500; the
next day / increased it to $4,000; it was
Il never oerurrea To me- e
lore; gave the paper, the "true story" TO a Mr..
Frank Dinsmore nrst gave ~ TO Mr; ,a Me cNeis
Office Tor me; they did not publish u; l handed
IT over 70 MI Dinsmore and I never saw anything
WHO'S DrNsMoRE.
Every closet opened under this scandal lets
out q mutual friend Hartman, objecting to the
introduction OF private name, appealed to the
Juage II he should tell who got the "true story"
from him. The Judge ordered him to tell, and IL
then came out that Mr.. Dlnsmore, rich and
arlstocratic republican politician Of Brooklyn, now
absent IN Europe, was the person referred tc.
Another Brooklyn public man by the name Of
Dwight johnson had also been privy 10 this
knowledge with Dinsmorc ana Hartman.
RECRoss-ExAMINATIoN.
Mr Beach then asker some few questions about
the true story and witness stated 1T would he
Impossible o say, oy reading over the story as
published In the paper you have handed me,
whether 1t W as In the same words as II had been
read 10 him by Tilton; do think the substance
is ABOUT the same recollect something ike vne
statement to the effect "that Beecner asked me to
be vile to HIM in al the senses that the word I'm.
piled :" MT. Titon read from clean slip or proof
sheet.
JACKSON s. SCHULTZ,
the Ajax OF the police force. the Custom House,
and an extensive dealer in leather and prunella,
took the witness stand after MI. Harman had
been relieved, at half.past eleven.
Mr.. Schultz Is a powerful man IN dimensions,
weight and stature. looking like the largest class
OF materialistlc politicians. At the same time his
cleanly shaved lace has something OF the LOOK OF
presiding elder or muscular Christian square
head, rather low IN tue forehead, with dark
brown skin, took on the appearance OF vast
strength; also from the large mouth, heavy Jaws
and advanced chin. He folded his heavy arms
anu large hands across Els broad chest and
spoke in a deep-toned voice, with great power
and intensity. Wnen he sought to recover his
memory lie bit his cheeks. He appeared 10 have
lost his patience with Tilton, having assisted him
to start his paper, but being unable to defend his
course In publishing the Lille OF Woodruff" This
powerful man oil the world and Of materialties
was yet, by the casuistry oil association, mixed up
with the light weights II literature, and then, in
he rqac M iTna a. a
now appeared against ms prote0e.
For snort time the lawyers were wrangling to
get In a conversation between Frank Carpenter
aud Schultz, when the Judge. with his long
memory and PRECISION, compelled 1t to be intro
duced by talk between Schultz and Triton.
Schultz made good, stout witness, and was
another mutual friend. They are All mutual
niends.
Frank Moulton, sitting under Mr.. Schultz. so
much disturbed him that he repeatedly used
Moulton's name IN place or Carpenters This
made Schultz laugh. The lawyers laughed. The
witness being 4 man ofvery positive temperament
and OF great intensity ana force OF speech, gave
his testimony with an emphasis that made the
room resound. Mr.. Tracy cross-examlned aid
Scbultz's evidence was certainly important, as
bearing up the theory OF MI Tracy's speech, that
he had called Tllton o backmaLer before Mr.
Beecher mad done So The great diplomacy OF Mr..
Frank Carpenter had caused this revulson in
schultzs mind, and schultz had called IN Isaac II.
Bailey, who had agreed with him, In Tlton's
presence, that TO establish newspaper on the
intimidating power OF secret documents was
dishonest endeaVor.
NEW WITNESS.
Jackson >. Schultz, sworn, testified that he lived
In New YORK city knew lllton lor several years !;
held cordial relations with him: was applied 10 Dy
Tilton lor belp in the enterprise oil starting the
Golden age; Mr.. luton and Mr.. woodruff came 70
me Ilton and had A long talk over the subject;
approved OF the scneme OF the general plan 4
remember we discussed the probabillties OF the
success OF the enterprise and 1 asked nm II MIR.
Beecher would subscribe ana be SAID, yes he would
II be was permitted; was astonisned at the
answer, as thought that he and Mr.. Beecher were
good riends aid not give him any money It
that time, out reserved nay answer until future
meeting
FRANK MoULTON