New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-23

O. Was 1t in connection with the puhlicatio" OF Oh"
covenant that you went 10 that eaavo' n tn"' WINS '
occasion of my going.
O. Daring the middle Of the dayt
Mr. shearman-He says that Was the occasion OF hs
going. an,
Covenant with you then A. Idid
And did YOU deliver IL to editor for the purpose
q, pul,lcationi A. I did not, In that sense
q Did you deliver II to him In any scnsc' AishoWeo
IL 10 him-eft IL with him.
O. You showed it to him and loft Il with him' A.
Idfd.
O WHY did you leave 1t with hint A. Because !
wanted 10 make an explanation to him OF his-in osu"
10 his misunderstanding OF an aliuson III one vi "
Reeohers sermons to disclosures about the Tweea
Ring 1 knew he laboring under that nisuhoer-
stsnding and took that occasion TO have an ih'ce"
with the publisher.
O. Was that subject explained in the Ceyenant' n
That subject was explained in the Interview
O Was the interview with the pubisherf A. II was
O. And you left the Covenant with him for the
.rrose Of exp,aning an Illusion in Of Mr. Becchcrs
sermons concerning the Tweed Engi A. said to
him that
O. No. no answer the question Was that tho object
OF leaving f A. The object OF that-the ntervew-the
object
MI Morrs-Ope moment.
The witness-State your question.
Mr. Tracy-He has answered the question
Mr. Morris-He has not. ITO the witness] WAS or
was not the object OF leaving the Covenant with
him that it might explain sllusiOn in one OF Mr..
Beecher's sermons concerning the Tweed Ringf Yes
Mr. Tracy-I submit that he is not obliged to answer
yes
Mr. Mor,is-He can explain aftcrward,
Judge Nelson Ito the wltnessGive the best snswer
you can.
The Witness-I cannot answer by yes or no.
Mr. Morris-I submit that 1t is a very simple question
Judge Nelson ITO the witnesslGye the best answer
you can. sir'
Mr. Morris-One moment, your Honor. submit that
am entitled TO q correct answer.
Judge Neson-You entitled to an affirmative ora
negative answer The OF the answer are for
the witness.
Mr. Morrls-That Is sIl ask. fro the wltness.l Now
did you OF did you not leave that Covenant with him
in order that it might explain this alluson IN MI
Beechcrs sermon to the Tweed Rlngf A. MOI III tha'
sense OF all
O Very wen that answers IT, Then why did you leave
il with him A. Imade-I knew that the Covenant was
going from Sam wkeson that night TO oil the Newf0rk
papers next morning. and knew New-York paper
was laborng under Misrepresentation In regard to one
Of Mr.. Beechers sermons, In which he alluded TO tho
Tweed Ring and went with that In my hand to say to
O. don't care about that 4. ask the chance to
make an explanation.
Mr.. Eyarts-You asked him.
Mr. Morris-No no, am asking why he left the Cove
uant. asking why he went to explain that to
the publisher.
SIR Eyar,sThe witness Is giving an explanation. He
ssked for his motive. Now he has RICH; to give all
his motives.
Judge Nelson TO the witness Without giving the
conversation with the editor, you say whether it
FOR that purpose OF explaining.
The witncss-I made that the means OF an interview
with the publisher to make explanation III regard I"
that sermon.
Jud,e Nclson-That Is a
Mr. Morrls-wby did You leave the Covenant with thai
publishers A. Because wanted to say to him that now
there would he newspaper war, and we desired that
Mr. Bceclcr should have unprecedented treatment at the
hands OF the press.
O. All very WELL but that does not yet answer my ques
ou for what purpose did you leave the Covenant with
that prblisheri A. did not oore the Covenant with
h,m fOr any purpose took it with means OF
communication with him.
Q. You look the Covenant TO have an in
tcview with him; is that it, A That's it exactly, Sir
@. Rad YOU seen him before 7 A. 7 had seen him.
q. We're you acquainted with hint A. vas not
q. Had YOU over had any conversation with him A.
Never word.
@ And you thought you could not have this interview
With him without taking the Covenant with you How
did you introduce that conversational A. Oh don't
IccOllect that.
O. Now was your sole object in taking that Covenant
there the that you wanted to have an interview
with HAT publisher7 A The sole object.
O. Inc sole Object A. The sole object.
o. And when you got through with your interview yon
eit tho Covenant with HINT A. presume did; don't
tceoIlect taking it away; Think did
O. fave you any doubt upon that subject a. don't
rccoi!oct anything about 1t.
O. Diini you say while ago atyon left 1t with himf
A. think did, but that matter OF no kind of
consequence al the close of the interview. All the papers
had il the next morning and would have had II without
any regard to that publisher and myself
q. That is not the question You had no idea when
you left il there that 1t was going to I've published! A.
knew il would be, whether left it or took II.
O. You knew it would be! \. did.
o. Now Mr. Cleveland, didn't You testify at your house
positively that you did not take that covenant TO that
publisher A. don't recOlec that did If did, desire
70 it. had head then and haven't more than
half q one to-day.
O. IL you did testify 1t was not correctf III tes
fed differently my testimony to-day desire to cor
rect IL.
O. Did you see that publisher again that dayi A.
h"n't think did, Sir.
O. Now didn't ycu saw him. when you took
him that covenant, that Mr. Beccher wanted it pub
Nshedl A. did not
O. Your recolecon-your head is perfectly good upon
that point Is il 7 A. think !, il.
o. pidn't YOU testify, Mr. Cleveland, that you went TO
the Office of that publisher in the evening with Mr. Ford or
Mr.. Howardi A. did not, positively.
o. Didut you state that the object of going to the office
was 10 read the proofsi A. testified that went that
evening Internationally went with either Mr. Ford or
Mr. Howard; but did not testify that did so, If my
memory serves me now.
.. Reject upon that q moment, Mr. Cleveland. Did
YOU not state that you went there in the evening with
either one those gentlemen, and that the purpose OF
going va. to read the proof that might appear
reciiy the paper the next mornngi A. testifedthat
had partial recollection OF going in the evening with
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