The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-08-12
PLIMSOLL AND BATES.

READING
In the House OF Commons the Goth Of July, Mr..
Plmsoli who rose in his usual place below the gang
way, and was received with a cheer, said-Sir, it did
not take me the whole week generously accorded 10
me by this House perceive that would be impossible
to conduct the government Of this great countrym-
possible TO maintain its honor and influence abroad or
The dignity and authority OF this House homeunlcss
its debates conducted within strict limits ex-
oecded these limits Thursday last This being so,
patriotism and common sense and may add right
feeling alike demand that should withdraw such
and expressions have transgresscd parliamentary
usage and apologize to you sir, and TO this
house for using them Hear, hear land this in
no grudging or reluctant spirit but frankly
and sincerely. (Chcers) This now do sir, and hope
you and the House will accept my apology Hear,
hearty trust sir it will not be considered incon-
sstent with that respect which feel for and have
expressed to this House, if add that do not withdraw
any statement of fact | submit myself to the
pleasure of the House Cheers)
The honorable member then withdrew.
The SPEAKER then said-The question Is that Mr.
Plimso tho member for Derby for his disordery
duct, be reprimanded in his place by Mr. Speaker
Mr.. DIsRAELI-Mr Speaker, when a week ago
to make that motion which you have put from tho
chair unaware of any circumstances except those
which patent with regard to the subject to every
member present and | felt that | was doing
my duty, painful as II was, to you, sir, and
that had | been aware then of circumstances
with which aftcrward made acquaintcd-had
that authorized statement by the friends OF tho honora
bic member for Derby been made by the honorable
member for Louth-or had | been acquainted with the
circumstances to which he had referred should not
have made the motion which | then made (sHear,
hearty should have felt that the case was one Of
peculiar character and to be treated in very different
spirit. | should have looked upon it, as look upon il
cited by his devotion to cause which, however many
of us may differ the he proposes
edy all acknowledge TO be great and good
(Cheers) will say, sir that with these feelings,
had the honorable gentleman not appeared in his place
to day should have declined TO press for any distinct
opinion of the House, but should have again
advised them to postpone, and even for longer
lered TO the House ('Iear, hcarl"J am like ALL am
sure deeply gathed to know that have not to consider
seen the honorable gentleman in his place restored,
from his tone and bearing, TO that state of
temper which becomes all who members of this
assembly; and think am expressing the general feel
ings of both sides Of the House that they receive the
expression which he has offered 10 us as complete and
satisfactory apology for what was doubt under ord
nary circumstances, great indiscrction. (''Hear,
hearty Those sentiments have been offered, am sure,
by the honorable member for Derby in sincerity
('Hear hear land trust they will be received with
kindness; and, therefore take the earliest opportu
nifty of moving that the order DO discharged ~ which
you have referred (Chccrs.)
The SPEAKER having put the question that tho order
be discharged,
Derby had his last words rcarmcd the charges he had
made against a. shipownerg 1'No no, and Hear,
should not be passed lightly over, and that no one
should any cause however good advanced in that
House by a process of disorder. Hear hcar!')
willing therefore he that the House should par
don any ndscretion he felt that they were bound to
call on the member for Derby, as he had rcaiirmed
those charges either to withdraw or to substantiate
them ('No" and 'Hear, hcar''o
Tho SPEAKER having again put the question that the
order be discharged, only or two faint
motion
eral cheers.
A GREAT ENGLISH sHIPBuILDER STILL I'LL AT EAsE-HosoR
C0ssCIENCEf
During the sitting Of the House of Commons on July
80 Mr. Bates said he with reluctance to his
regret that Mr.. Plimsol had not when he had the OPP
portunty forward and acknowledged that he had
done him (Mr. Bates grievous injury He wished the
House TO say, aye no, whether he fit to occupy
any longer the proud position of member Of that House
He thanked the Premier for the answer which he had
just given to his question: and proceeded at some length
TO give detailed reply the charges implied against
him by Mr. Pimsol last week, showing from documents
the vessels which he had lost had been specially
surveyed, were good ships and well found in every
respect They not overloaded, and were all OF
them either cassod AL AAl, and he also
read an affidavit from his brother TO show that they
wero not insured for than twothrds of their
value and in for only onehaf If he had
been guilty of the conduct insinuated by Mr. Plimso
his credit character would have been utterly ruined
he trusted he had shown that those charges
unjust groundess (Chcers.)
Mr. PLIMsoLL said that the bill OF the government
asked powers and could only be exercised
with the utmost discretion especially IT, no hoped,
Mr. n.
the bill The government must select first class mon
who would command confidence in their respective
ports and he believed they would do for he the
name Of the Chancellor Of the Exchcquer at the back OF
the bill He reviewed the results of successive legislation
since the act Of 1s47, and pointed out that it had
had injurious effects and entailcd considerable loss of
life until 1872 when for the first time steps but by
means so efficient he could desire, taken TO
rost H. For instance during the last two winters no
timber grain ships had been lost in the American
trade He wished to point out that was clear from
the official reports that much good had been effected by
nf
sailing from British ports had decreased, the losses Of
those from foreign ports had increased This owing
10 greater attention paid by government to load
ing Still he would show TO the House that more must
be done Losses were still going on, not only OF mill
ions Of property but also OF lie, ana often az.
and suffering from causes which could be
prevented by legislation If so much success had at
tended past efforts he urged the House TO take further
steps and he believed If they would grant the govern
mont the extraordinary powers asked for temporarily
with the additions which he recommended they would
find next year that their legislation had not been in
vain They would then be better able to deal with the
whole question In conclusion he asked the House to
pot It's down firmly and not allow any attempt TO
talk the bill The shipowncrs who must have been
aware OF the state Of things, had made no effort to
remedy IT, but the moment others attempted to do so
they talked them to death with the view OF preventing
legislation at ALL He, therefore, hoped that all parties
would unite to make the bill as effective as possible.
The CHAScyLLoR of the ExcrEouER warmly comp
mentcd Mr. Pnsoll not only for having added to the
already high character and the reputation which he had
acquired the services no had rendered in this matter,
but for the example which he was now setting 70 the
House with respect 10 the spirit in which they ought
to proceed They ought 10 he more anxious to do
something than TO quarrel as TO who should do IT, He
ready to admit that the past state of things was
most melancholy, but the question was how far II was
prcvenabc by legislation He afraid that no logis
ation could prevent great portion of the casualties
but in many respects such sOundncss OF material
and construction the state in which ships went to sea-
as we'll Az with respect to loading, &c, Parliament
could properly Interfere In his view tho only way
in which they could eGectlaiy do by invoking
and compelling tho aid Of those interested and respon
sibe but they must 10 careful not TO take away that
interest destroy that responsibility. The object Of
the government ia their bill TO improve the Law for
the purpose OF enforcing the responsibility Of the ship
owner; but the question full of complicated and
delicate details that II must be approached with ample
knowledge, temper and patience However with the
indulgence Of the House and the aid Of those Interested
in the matter the government hoped TO pass the bill TO
deal temporarily with the most pressing exigoncies OF
the In committee II might be necessary 10
slider what other provisions could be introduced They
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