The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-02-11

('nearlf'l- 0u0 TRUST the ov6tomeutS winch are
made ofthe manner IN which he has been received
ana his cause listened to by Lord Carnarvon,
as sop sce nes 10 ns
is invited by clergyman In the city which my
learned friend 70 preach but the
that the colonial Bishop should not preach in the
church. i"ShamelD what does that clergyman dor
In perfect order apparently he submits at once.
The colonial Bisnop is not permitted, but he hands
the sermon he was going to preach in the church.
sermon which the colonial Bishop would have
read. Qaughter.) Another Bishop forbids him in
pTeaca tnere and what im@sSisfeiy ioows'
suppose the best Snown ana most eminent clergy.
pna' hsppens n0 s M,h s
What can the gs,UgraphISai limits Of
the Abbey church Of Westminster. The
Bishop so excluded and invited, not wishing to
vitatlon and, therefore, does not preach. And
am told that another Bishop has signifed his wish,
should preach In his diocese. Now. you see you
nave before you here, IN few moments discus
regard to the Wesleyan minister, you have the
sort oil Charity there exists between some OF the
bishops In this country and the Bsnop from Natal.
You have, at the same time, an instance OF the
order which prevails when the minister accepts
snon o al m rev b rsa
ing the colonial Bishops sermons. (Laughter.)
And then you have the sort Of uniformity there s
London would not allow the Bishop OF Natal to
otrciate In mis- diocese and the next great man in
the docese the Dean OF Westmtnster Invites him to
preach IN the Abbey church OF Westminster. For
all these grievances we have the bill OF last year.
will tell you how serious is the position Of the
Church by reading an extract from speech OF Sir
william HarcOurt's. He says, "LegislatIOn OF this
necessity" He saws, ii am satisfied there is such
necessity. In my opinion the present condition
ngs II the Is p s%e
disease Is critical" believe the capitai operation
is necessary to extirpate the cancer. Ii not the
M w nd
take it ior granted that the remarks OF Sir vii
liam Aarcourt go to presage stlll more severe ex-
trlvlal-it makes no alteration in the law 1t is
merely establishing court before which informers
from all parishes can come and lay charges, If they
please, against ministers OF those parishes. But It
does not decide what Is the law. Itleaves that de-
pointed But, SIR, they can deal only as you see
with vestments and millinery, with position, with
They may deal with the question of the light that
comes from the candles, but they cannot deal
quence and power and earnestness and Cody SIM
Certify OF the men who preach TO inc people. ZAP
with this great iacLand that is really what wish
you to consider-whicn is, that the State Church,
as we have II now. Is not. and cannot De. IN mar
plause) should Ike to ask you what there is
in the Church Establishment existing in the reign
reign OF Queen Victoria. Why. the difference be-.
tween the two queens Is enormous and cannot be
measured-the ar0ltrariness, the absolute power
and the nsolent assertion OF 1t with the queen
300 years ago, and the moderation, the justice,
kindness and sympathy which you nave IN the
your House or Commons OF that DAY and the House
not be- Calculated and Cannot be measured iAn
was reading day or TWO ago remarkable book,
published lately by an old friend OF NINE, Mr.
Lindsay, who was Tor many years, as you know,
In Parliament. and in bad health out Of Parlia-
mcnt had employed himself III writing o great
boOk-a history or the merchant shipping and
commerce OF past ages And was reading de-
scriptlon which he gave OF what took place in the
the English shipowners established on the south.
erD coasts OF England were engaged In piracy, or
ana do not know the dllference between Them.
That the Church. watch was established
IN 70 sss se ss in Sa osw an been
Its present orm, until the time In wnicn we
hve-but the Church. whether you consider
tlon 1 fear Is greatly out OF hsr mony with the
times. l won't complain, though l might COM
that wherever you nnd the Church OF England
powerful there you find the oppos ton to legis-
also. We have received no service from the
Church OF England as q body. There have been
lions, but as a body we have received no service
in all the great measures OF change and improve
msn WhiSn nave 80 blessed bn tins Gounry during
as q religious institution what do you f1nds You
lind at one end Of 1t Its payments and salaries
are excessive and enormous. You find at the
other end OF 1t that they are scanty and made
quate and altogether disgrace to great ma
ther, that contrary to what exists In every other
government department, there. Is no sucn
IL The general, as promotion by y merit ~ 1sHear.
hear."l Promotion In the Church is promotion
mportuni9y Cheers and No r tSrSps 81
mine not long ago-understand Inc, am only
now speaking the voice OF thousands or curates-
(cheers)-I am not making Claim on behalf OF
the NonconlOrmists-a Methodist minister does
not trouble himself about that am only speak
ing with voice which Will find an answer to.
morrow IN the hearts or thousands OF curates.
(Protracted cheerlng.) A few years ago-withln
to apply to the Lord Chancellor Tor some small
preermenr Tor most devoted and excellent
minister, whose circumstances were to the ass
Chancellor told him, as l understood--Or his
patronage secretary seer 1t might be; told him
curates ana clergymen-that IS, ordained
ministers OF the Cnurch OF England-askng
Lord Chancelior'5 ineXhaustlble stores of patron
age: anu they all believed their case TO be as hard
tue poor minister Tor wnOm my friend interceded.
Now, need not tell you that many oi the llvines
OF the Church OF England are private property,
IN the open or secret market. We sell cotton on
the Exchange at Liverpool, you sell metals in the
Exchange at Birmingham; but from day co day.
all over the country there is going on q traffc In
the most sacred and solemn Offices applause
and further, the clergy-and tnlnk this will be
found great diflculty-tne clergy themselves,
when appointed, are lreeholders and immovable,
and, unless there be some scandal there is scarcely
or congregation Can touch. Then, the great COM
plalnt now Is that the zeal which not denied Is
moving IN the wrong direction, and it is CARVING
the clergy ana some oil tneir more simpie-mnded
followers IN the direction OF Rome. Aud we
have a sort or feeling that there Is great danger
OF the church; Tor we have archDishops and
bishops stumping the diocese in ueIence Of The
Church. saw only the other day that the Arch.
bisaop or Canterbury, IN speech which was ad-
miraOle IN tOne-a speech which no could
read Without interest and pleasure: vet ne
warned everybody VINO was at all doubtful as 10
the wisdom OF maintaining the establishment as
what would be the result il the Establishment
were not aintalned. They always point TO that
very old man-it may be his successor-in the
city oil Rome. U.augDter) In fact Sir Wlanl--
Qaughterj-S william Harcourt. lie says -
81 am OF opinion that Protestant establishment
is the only power that can effectuay cope with
the organized forces OF Ronlc.u lie saws,
iul Their, ne must be purbiind politician who does
not understand tnat the feslduary legatee of
observation-disclosures would be the Cnurch O! Rome.
Wen, but then, unfortunately, we are in this posi-.
ti0n-tnat the fort whlcn was intenucd to defend
ana protect Us has turned It's guns against u.s.
But, tnen, sir WILLIAM Harcourt SAYS in answer 20