New-York tribune., 1875-02-03
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,.


Mr.. HARRIS (Dem., ya) moved TO suspend the rules
and pass the bill repeating much OF the act OF Feb
H. 1871 granting pensions to the soldiers Of the war OF
1872 excludes persons from the benefits OF the act for
disoyalty to the Government during the late rebel
hon Rejected, as the previous question had not been
seconded.
THE DEBATE on THE NEW RULES.
Mr.. BUTLER Glep Mass.l moved to suspend tho rules
so AS to give the Committee Rules leave to report
forthwith changes amendments to the rules and pro-
ydpg that during the consideration Of such report no
dlat0ry motion whatever shall be entertained DI tho
Mr.. sPEER Dem. Penn.) male tho point OF order
that the proposition in substance had been offered
three times during to-day's session.
The SPEAKER oyerrued the point or order saying
that the proposition had been changed each time;
Mr. STORM Dem, PENN said he Ola not think thn
gentleman from Massachusetts, should be recognized
until other gentlemen who had resolutions to offer got
chance to do 80. The gentleman from Massaehusetts
Mr.. RANDhIIs-And always oD the one subject
MIR. sPEER-TDis same proposition has alissdy been
The sPEAKER-This one has not been.
Mr. sPEER-It has been, IN substance.
Mr.. RANDALI-I should like to know how much time
that side OF the House is to have that we on this side
may know when aro to get IN
Tue sPEAKER-In proportion to numbers, The side Of
the House 10 which the gentleman belongs has used up
twice much time as tho Other side
Mr.. RANDALI-Ycs; it takes twice the time TO defend
this side against cncrOachment.
Mr.. BUrLER-YOu had all last week, and We sat up
two nj, ,:hts accommodate you. tLlughor
The sPEAKER-The gentleman OR. RandllD made
twenty-five similar motions the same day.
Mr.. RANDALI-In o good sense.
The SPEAKER-It does not lie in that Gentleman's
mouth, however to object TO another gentleman makng
Mr.. CESsNA-And in a better sense
Mr.. BECK Dem, Ky.)-Is it right 20 mOvo that
nobody but the gentleman from Massachusetts, shall DC
Tne SPEAKER-Tne Chair thinks that that remark is
not by any proceedings the House, called for on the
side which the gentleman belongs. The Chalr desires
. ha min
protection u its rights, and does not IN proportion to
Mr. STORM Dem, Penn.)-I do not complain OF any
violation orOur rights under the rules bur complain
that IN tne exercise OF ms al[GreOh tns mar mas rec
Tie SPEAkER-As was the Chars perfect right
Mr.. BUTLER Rcp.. Mass)-I was not recognized this
morning unul after Democrat WAS recognized.
MI. SPEER Dem, Penn)-It 10 discretion which the
Chair should exercise fairly.
The sPEAKER-And the Speaker has exercised it
fairly: Tue tst gentleman recognized this morning for
side OF the House. Loud calls for Regular Order !"
from tho Republican sde OF the House,
Mr.. RANDALL moved an adjournment
Rejected on vote by Yeas and Nays.
on and 1t reJected-Yeas, li Nays 30. less than
va,ied dining the taking of the voe ana its progress
was anxi0u,y noted. The only Republican voting with
the minority was sll Mr. Ssner oi Virginia, aud his
Mr. GARFIELD Rep., Onio) then moved to suspend
the rules and adopt as me-" rule me following: -
Whenever QUESTION pending beor, the House the Speaker Fha
to adjourn uoou tx the day wlic the House shall
reading Of b or JOINT hs not be ordered during the
o' ss second e aTuo s b si @ 1 % not hC1 ,nn
Any proposition appropriate credit other properly
ae nte States, regular annual AppopnarOu bill
Ar the suggestion OF Mr. HALE (Rep, Me) Mr.. GAR
FIELD modified the rule BY changing the three+ourths
Mcssrs. CUTLER Gep. MassJ and CESSNA Nep
PENN made eOr tn have the prOvlsO ABOUT the pre-
question struck out but they were unable to do
The vote was taken Mr. Garfied's motion and it
rejectedYcas. 1853; Nays, ITO; not twothirds in
The Repabliscans voting No" were Messrs Butler
Mass) Butler, itTennJ, Cobb On c.. Field Fort, Hays
Hodges. Hynes, LOtaud Pelham, Sheats smith tLa.),
Mr.. KGssON Rep, Iowa) moved TO suspend the rules
aud allow the Committee Rules 20 report any
rule or change OF rule that during Its considera
discussion thereon shall be limited to one hour
Mr.. ELDREDGE suggested that it was.abodt time for
the House TO attend to public business.
Mr.. WlLBER Rep, n. f)-We arc attending TO public
business. -
was carried-Yess, 1871; Nays. 30.
The result was the cause OF great congratulaon on
the Republican side OF the House. and Of corresponding
depression on the Democratic side.
Mr.. GARFIELD Rep., Ohio) thereupon, from the Com
ittee on Rules reported the rule which he had previ-
ously offered. The rule having been read. Mr. cox of
New-York member of tho Committee on Rules. made
the point OF order That the Committee lad had no meet
ings since 1t was ordered to report.
The SPEAKER Overrued the point.
regarded bearing the point and the Speaker not
having assented to II, Mr. Randall said he would now
The SPEAKER notified to him that that would be in
order ut subsequent part ol the proceedings Out was
Mr. cox said he would try and make point In order
unless cracking OF tnorns under pot disturbed
MIN. Laughter the Republican side.l
Mr. ELDREDGE insisted that gentleman should not
be sneered laughed at when he was In good faith
arguing question OF order.
Mr sYPfIER (Rep, La Who could help laughing at
the gentleman from Wisconsin, Nobody.
MI ELDREDGE-The poisoned chalice will soon be
tee on Rules for many years and curing the war; and
very few innovations on the rules have been allowed
We preserved them during all the temptations to change
The sPEAKER-The gentleman will state his point OF
MI COX-I am going 70 do Tho point is that re
sign my position on the Committee on Rules
The SPEAKER-Tbat Is not in order now Tbe gentle
may do that for dramatic effect, but no KNOWS tnat
IL IL not IN order.
Mr. COX-I gave notice yesterday.
The SPEAKER with some severity OF mannerl-Hoth
ing more irrelevant could possibly be obtruded. -,
Mr. LAMAR Dem, Miss. How does the Chair know
that the gentleman from NevYork did 1t for dramatic
effect ~,
York knows that IL Is absolutely out OF orderabso
lutely [Great excitement on the Democratic side and
calls he regular order from the Republican side
The Chair Is willing to the utmost verge 0i l0eraIy u
hear all points or order but is not willing 10 have the
proceedings interrupted by irrelevant remarks.
Mr.. LAMAR-How does the Chair know that the gcn
tleman from New-YOrk knew he was out OF order
The sPEAKER-Beeause the Chair Is very well ac
ouanted with the largo experience and great inteili
gence OF the gentleman from New York.
Mr.. LAMAR-Tho Chair had no right to assume any
such thing. -
The sPEAKER-Possibly not, but when tho Chair Is
accused OF deciding uDiustly and tramplng on the
rights OF the minority tho Chair may DO pardOned fol-
commenting with some freedom.
Mr.. COX-I made charge against the Chair, and
the Chair had no right TO make that point on me.
The sPEAKER-The Chair has not IN the romotest de-
gree referred to the gentleman from Mississippi (Mr
Lamar, from whom ne has received nothing but re
speot; b the Chair cannot believe that gentleman
OF the House, and especially two gentlemen so thor
oughly conversant with the rules the gentlemen
from Pennsylvania and New-York hessrs. Randall aud
Cox could possibly suppose that while the House II
acting under suspension of the rules proposition u
put In their designations could be in order.
Mr. RANDALL-I say Sir, that you have no right II
particular TO question my motives reflect upOI