New-York tribune., 1875-01-19


The CnairDan-Excuse me. We simply desire TO have
your assistance to obtain all the light possible, aud
want also 10 learn why you this Committee OF
stopping short In ITS duty.
Witness-I have been assured that sundry pieces OF
evidence have been brought before the Committee OF
which II has made no use, aud suggest the advisaby
OF examining the private accounts Of the Sergeantat
Arms and also the books OF Rulus Hatch Co. IN con-
nection with imuel a. Hatch.
y Have you any knowledge that this Committee has
not already examined The hooks OF the Sergeant-a-
Arms A have not only judge 80 from what has
@. Have YOU anv facts or have ever heard anv
thag from Mr. Irwin, or any other perso,' that woud
Tue witness SAID no had been Informed, as h9 thinks
by letter from Irwin, that H. b. Llidlaw OF N'wYork
would be good witness the receipts by Congress
man Schumacher OF check for $4,000 fr I'm California,
Mr. Reid never had but one conveiSSti3n WIN irwih
rim ra for .ho publication time hs noa rsGr@ Sndrr
stood IRWIN that he knew Of anOu 0J00o1 having
been expended anLthat Cob Parsons had handled or
& SnSW Somt me nsndns oi some sGC Oo more nsl nc
that he had certainly msunderstOod him Ia regard 70
stockwell not connected with the subsidy. and that
Parsons had nothug to no with It, rJe witness tnou.hC
out money after going 10 California. Mr. Rcd also Sid
lie would be glad to give IN private numoor OF hniS
which miGht he OF service. aud II the C1mmttee re
CURED would give them puohclty now.
Mr.. WOOd-YIu have referred IN your paper TO two
members as being Implicated, and not let to SIT on luis
MI Rtiit have not said that but current report
being III circulation, have thought that tue mention
OF would stimulate tie Committee to eX III extrtlOhS
in the Iuvestig 'tiOn.
NJ. Dawes--WnD were the two members referred to
Nltness-MpSsrs. Wood and Dawes. -,
MIR. Wood theieupOD asked witness whether nc dl
not huo~ that lac (lr. WoOd) had srenuuu ~ oppJ'e
tails subsidy all through, ana whether IL WonLl no. nave
better To examine Ills record before making as
sorlOns wuich wero tantamouut 10 chArg;si
OF Che Two niemhers referred 10 In this common
ruu, ana remarked th'J great nJnSc" was dohe 10
tue journalists IN SupposlnS 'I3t neY must naNH Pc
sona kuOwie 70 Of every .hng they write, wlch III me
ustdTe OF things is not possible perhaps ohSe III 'hou
Mr. Woodi after asking numb'r Of similar questions
left tbs su jest with the remark iht Tlhce tr p5Hn-
ming tneIe nad been marirst'd n"'h"l'l' pHrpo''.
desire aud intention Ell tle par "i r4e Committees 20
follow Out the investigation 20 the Utmost;
SIR. D.Nes-Wtd yod pie lse stato what you nave
heard auOu. ~ this cDnHetUOn.
Tle replica tnat be GaI heard by rumor that
Dawes name was oG tue list sali TO nav D,en ~
ntshed by Congressman Svpher 10 Commoi"Ie L. h.
Carson of TIE members lkrly 10 De cOutrJed 10 VOe
IOr Pacific Mail SUBSIDY
Mr.. DIwes-D,n't you know that was. from the ycrv
beglUruG. avUwed lIend ANA advocate oi inc sub
s0y, ana, th IeiOre II wds not proJ19 hAt my h"m1
w".iL b. pat On iIst US persOu hGeiy ~ DO COZ
trUled" 10 vote for III
Witness replied that he had heard the rumor and
tbinkl2 thai II M. Dawes dld MOI kno" OF II he 0u@ht
to have brought 1t 10 tne attention OI mcnbef o tue
Nj. DAwcs-Lid you ever communicate It to m"i A.
Mo- mium d Alr Beck, as II WIS n IN that gentle
that received an iuniDauon inat was 70 bo Sn u
mUDcu. No gTJuId Tta'On for tne fuiuOf hHu ever
reached wIursss II was the same sOit oi iuih0r
that connected nun0rof other people Win VIC f@c'uc
Mail. . --.,.,
NJ
Mr Reid dou't suspect You III Tue let, ar. W.
Witness continued aud sIId he could give 10 opinion
for eXpeditug tue iu-nor wncn Lo "eard IL eG1cp'
It's Clrcul ,tlOn III wellniOrned circles.
Q. Wnai thelf a. Well, II was brought into me
by reporters from Wdil-st ana cl.eW"er".
MIR. DIwe.-Wuat reporters gave !oh the lGfOrma'lon
that suCh a tutuOr was IN clrculLtiOLi
Witness s.t lie could not certldy say, blt proo4hV
IT was fur"sncd by H. p. siivdn or Geo. E Miles, OF,
pernaps. City L iitOr Shanks.
Nj. Dawcs-lt II cauHOL otherwise he ascertahed ny
whom the report was furnished. would liho TO have
the en- ire force nmnon, q. 800. ,,, ~ ~, n N
Mr.. il said the ruuIr also WAS tAat D. Nh'hte
had received money for Mr. Dawes CA tns accoInt at
he was aware tIHt Cha < hal few days ago tcstii;d
10 The ialsenes5 Uf tuIs report. Witness nov NdG" "'
uOtuIng wnttever parhking OF tic ut't.1 oi efihCo
10 support tie charge VI Insulation OF lac rdor CON
cerniug Mr.. Dd"es.
Mr.. BurcAArd tnen read from The printed testimony
Of Commodore Garrison, taken by tIe committee I'rC
session, portion ,a,iac that tle si OF CJnSftseh
shown 10 him consl,tr4 entley oi S"a'htr mihprs 70 E.
Mr.. Dawes rem1rked that lac mad never hedrd vi any
charge rumOr HEectng himself uuiii list i"r JAY
had the ptrsOn referred to (dr Chaue.) su'h
uouSd Immediately.
rcmarh concerning hun III MIR. Rcrs note, b'tn D. cI'r
The mAIRe4 "eOnh cnuAI" ami Ne uh 'eIstoOu
tr rulnor referred 10 merely Ale gossip OK Lo
~ r"nr ,, t nri, ont ine facts was by the cxtni-
nat on or Mr.. Rod aud COnln1doGe GuriSOl, hOth "i
whom the Committee had already uet1 nhtd " nav"
Mr Burrnard askei Mr. Reid whether he would sue.
gesi tuat Meh.is o. tHe House al tue tame of
the passage of tho supsiJy saOu ne req roi 10 po-
luce lLeir accounts show now they receiver any
sums appearing 10 tler credit or "hetner nc dld no,
thIn6 the Con u tee mad any begun at tue iSd' eLu
10 trace The alleged uIsOdrscm-nts . ,-,,
Witness ntnatod that he inoGSdt both courses mght
be pursuta ana tnr Committee tnrn OrItr5I tae fo"I
IN be- cearse n Oruer receive lrOn hln any lniOim-
lion or suggestions tnat ho Night llLk DoSt " com
Alter the retirement of the crowd there was an on
trey informal aud good HumOred taiN on tEc various
nninis OF the testimony gwen. IN wrlch III mDers
freely expressed tie opinion that 10 wOud have been
better IL get FIRST in - private Hcs3O1 many Vi t"o
things Mr.. Reid Dad jJst communicated.
Mr. Reid xpiuiued now air. Irwin mad sent his law
yer 90 Lim absence from the eountry to CON,
1lain os the injustice reports that be hd f'd
thpc rV Ia az Il
favor pubhcauoa al The TRIBUNE OF ie''eI pFJ"
sug TO return which IRWIN has pni IN evIoenc";
now Immediately his return lr@ih g hed on MN 10
express his thanks for mat puDhca ioi now lie Gar.
Reid then tired TO get at the tics about the dIstr-
tou Of the money, failed 10 uduce If"iu 10 20 unch
further than he s'uce gobe Nlth tne committee.
He explained how Irwin after th+ htcrVlrW- ho Ohy
time they ever met-Iad seUt him numerous hiDt5
endug to shew and how moro or leas impor anl
evidence might be pr"curej lie rrad numerous Oi
upne letters for the guidance OF ie COMM tee III shn
moning witnesses, aud gave 0tHer Information, Tor
WINCH the Committee expressed their THANKS aud UD
wbch tney declared their intention TO su,puiOn wiz
nesses aud make a thorough investigation.
timony cf Mr.. Reid, concerning trcir Conversations
about Ordway's books, hal beeh Esond'rsto11 by tne
reporters Oidway assehted uy To mhAt 40 found Mr..
REID had really sald bat then explained mat the pr
vate accounts OF memDers so far rs ne Kept tnen,
would indicate NO such payments as Mr. Dillon's
testimony had led persons 10 expect. lie
nsd list OF the inemDers' ,spee..I drposirr,
showing few accounts which couii give rise TO any
lust suspicion Of their having received any 0i tue Pac-
DC Mail Steamship Compan' mo9ey.
There was also All Informal tAlk between Mr. X ia and
the COmnee, about the ere bi,ts o some oI Uno oe-
claraOns that money paid Dy M Abart ai others
mad been for the sole use Ol those wnO received Il.
MIR Reed gave Committee the uaunes OF Witnessed
to prove that levin mad declared that CLane had
ceiyed $3.50 subsidy money. IL Wal Do recJl-
rcted h.t Cnafee, rrreAY before The Comsniiee DC
MED any connection whatever with suci subsidy.
THE CRosS-EAMINATIoN.
Mr. wood-You have taken a ver' deep interest In
this iuvestigaton3 A. Such an interest as take In
most public affairs because IL seemed to Inc that II
might lead to something important.
O. You have given us In tnis examination all the fn-
formation you ave on the SUBJECT A. All tnat would