The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-01-22
Schumacher in an Embarrass-
ing Position.
4 REMARKABLY VACANT MEMORY.
Dan Voorhees, and Boyd Winchester
Deny Completely.
A Peculiarly Profitable Game at
Cards.
WASHINGTON, Jan. Il, 1878.

Pacific Mail subsidy investigation, when Congress,
man J. Hale sYpher, OF Louisiana, appeared and
requested PERMISSION to testify In order that he
might clear up point in Commodore Garrison's
testimony regarding the "list." which the latter
had containing the names OF q number OF
congressman.
sYPHER EXPLAINS.
witness swore that no list whatever was fur.
ntshed by him TO Commodore Garrison, or any
otner person; meeting Garrison accidentally
pne day he stepped into q committee
room to converse with him and in
the course of conversation asked him wEat
strength his Brazilian subsidy bull had Garrison
spoke confidently OF the prospects and mentioned
especially the strong vote he expected for 1t from
the East and New York. Garrison then inquired
about the prospects OF the New orleans and Mexi-
can Steamship bill. MI. Sypher replied that the
LOUISIANA delegation were united on the measure,
ana, having q pencil In his hand. he proceeded to
lot down tueir names together with the names OF
perhaps twenty other Southern members who
might con 1dently be expected to support such q
Southern measure. Out OF this, said Sypher, grew
the whole story about the famous list. But tnar
showed Mr.. Garrison or anybody else q list OF
members who could be controlled, &C., Is abso-
iutely false. Witness corrooorated the truth OF q
passage he read from Mr.. Garrlsons testimony to
the effect that he (Sypher) never asked Mr.. Garrl
wanted dollar for himself or anybody else.
As to the report that he had made threats
against Mr.. Garrison, witness swore that he never
made any except purely in jest. His friend Mckay
used to joke with lin about Garrison's testimony,
and he once responded, Joculary, III Garrison
comes dowc pcre and swears TO any lies about me
I'll blow the top OF his head or" His relations
with Mr.. Garrison were friendly. In conclusion
he swore that he has knowledge Of the use OF
any money by the Pacific Mail Company, or any
agent shereof, to influence Legislation.
IRWIN GIVES NAMES
Richard B. Irwin, having taken his seat 1t the
table, Mr.. Dawes said that his former examine
ton broke OF with this lnterrogatory. viz. -
"will you give to the committee the names OF the
persons wnom you employed In Washington to
procure the subsidy commonly called the Pacific
Man Steamship SUBSIDY 7"
Irwin answered:-I will; and l ask that my
examination to-day be as brief as possible, as
have been sick. and am suffering with nausea this
morning. Nothing but the committee mas brought
me here understand the Board OF Directors OF the
Pacific Mall Steamship Company has passed reso-
luton relieving It's agents from any obligation Of
secrecy and giving them liberty to disclose all
they know
Mr. Dawes said the resolution would be read If
the witness so desired; but this was considered to
be unnecessary.
Irwin remarked he would like to say that the
general impre prevailed among persons who
did not know him, and who PROBABLY never would,
that ne appeared here to answer the custom De-
cause ne mad oeen so long IN jail. But ne went TO
Jail because he considered IL mis- duty TO do So
ana came out because, IN view or the resolutions
OF the Board OF Directors referred TO. he did not
consider lt his duty TO remain IN jail longer. lie
then gave the names OF the gentlemen employ ed
by him.
Q. We're any other persons employed with your
A.
Q. Il you can, give the names A. can now
give the names OF only two-hiliam 5. King and
Richard Q. Parsons.
q. DO you know py whom they were employed
A. My impression Is that they were employed by
Mr.. StOcgwell cannot think OF any OtDer nam es !;
there may be otners do not desire TO conceal any
Dg nave gwen the names oil those employed 10
procure the subsidy; there IS another gentleman
whose name nave not given, simply because do
NOT want 70 drag him into the controversy and
man mad nothing with the subsidy except to
consult with me; he had nothing TO 40 with the
business eiore Congress.
q. Was he paid out OF this money A. He was
paid out or some o. the money.
TIE FAMOUS LIST.
Q. Now. II you please. give US the amounts Of
money paid to procure the subs dy. A. As these
TRANSACTIONS occurred three years ago they have
very largely gone out OF ny mind; but Will give
the amount as lar can. from my bank &C.
counts, memoranda and recollection. The witness
then gave the Names together with the amounts,
Charles ADert, $1,000
oscar J. Averlll, $4,000.
e.. 500 or $1,000
Amos B. Corwin, $4,000.
L. r. Cnittenuen, $4,000
Is. Ii. Cheever, $4,000
Hamilton G. FAINT. s12,Co0.
John w. Forney, s25,ovo
Samuel A. Hatca. about go 0l1.
s. X. Ingnam, $1,000
william Moran, cannot rec lieci.
Alexancer w. Randall, slj,jV4
John IL. Rice. 1880.
william b. shaw, $1,000
Charles II. Snerrill. $5u0.
John g. Schumacher, 100000.
A. II. Whiting 800 600.
oTuEg 'GRATCITIEsn
witness SAID a. w. Randall rece we'd $40, 600 and
DAD been emDoyeo 10y aim three years: Joon II.
Rice only received 81 500. and ne was not con-
necied with tbe King traDsactlons William s..
King received SIPS, 600. ana he paid Richard G.
Parsons sl500 on account OF StGcIwell; Boyd and
Jersey, the officers OF the House. we're not en-
pio,ed by witness, out dd work for the company;
what was gwen to them was q gratully; ne
entirely overlooked toe names OF these gentle
men III the previous part or bis testimony to-day:
MI King was not PAID all tAe money al once, but
a. a.. various add, times; MT. scaumaker was paid
returned rom san Francisco.
The witness saI0 he should ike to stop here,
OWING 10 the state Of MS health
IDe witness SAID. on further examination, that
ne TOOK $4,000 o. the $3.50 900 10 California: De-
tween $4,000 and $4,000 of this was ms own
funds. when he paid out.
The witness Was tnen excused TIL tomorrow
morning NY hIi-past ten O'Clock. Al the instance
Di tue CHAIRMAN Ne VIII, meantime, be SUP lied
with COPY oi the testimony. Ia order that ms
scHUMAKEEsAGAIS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE
Hou. Jonn g. ,cnumaker again came before the
committee, and was asked Dy the Chairman
Y. DO you oeslre 10 modify or explain any OF the
testimony when you nave already glvenS x. 90:
Ikpow the position ia ~inCh my testi nony stands
here my signatures To these certificates OF deposit
have embarrassed me aud tronblen me very much !:
] had not then and have not now the slightest
recollection OF these certificates OF deposit or /
would not nave sworn that mad no knu W edge OF
these two $50.0OU cnecks knowing that these GER
ttfcates were or might Ue Ia existence; 10 was a
perfect blauk In my memory knew nothing ABOUT
It; l know now very unfortunate IL ~ Tor me
10 have these signatures facing me- but nave
forgotten aud cannot recoliect anything about
these csrtifcates OF deposit or about che manner
IN when tney were procured; they we're pro-
cured but now d. nos KNOW; nave hastily
eOmmlttec.
FIRST indorsed the two $4,000 checks OF the
BRO ykiyn Trust Ompany, winch were paid by jar
Cooke Co., and Greeted them to be sent TO the
ONCE OF the Pacific Mail steamship Company.
Tbat was done. never saw tnJse checks again
unless they were shown 10 me In Washington by
the person who BrOupnL them here, But OF that