New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-23

Ivy Y,arsf mi me two other presen, On Friday
| syciipsi a. think they we,".
bia yru 80 test,Syi A. . DONE think ses,,asf o~s
two Dlirr prfsUns---
o. Loo. 1t Il snI zee n you think that vas ,t-op ,p-s
direct examination by At 5henrrnsu fifandIng vitnss
The ,csBpcryi A. beg your pardon. ar t'ou-sss
yor reid (. " three other persons" which ineladed-
o wcr. you ~ tcs,iaed have rosi thsa. iii y',s
! A. Ye-. 7ir.
o. q. that correct, A. Correct IN thu wsg> that ne
names ~ 81 the gentlemen mentioned ~ sy,i sis
! wore discussed IN ti0 evening
| O. Az tbs name, mentioned ny both sde.' ny Mr.
! ,hsslmaa ani mysoif-Mr Beecber, Hr. shesfmso saS
M self; tho n,me- were discussrI IN 'hs eysning.
o Tho name, that MI Beecber had suggested IN ne
| afternoon A. Csrpe up IN the evening.
o Who took p,r, In that discussion IN che e7sains' A.
Pr Bescber ,nd Mr. shoarnan.
. Yhot Mr. B.ocber.
o VINO elset A. Mr. 81 'srmsa
q Who rise, A. DONE reooliocs hoy much hsd e
SAY about t.
o. Who e,c vas pr,sent' A. H-essn' Gen Tracy
D. D,i be take sny part In tho dscussoaf A lilo IL
up' nDt abo1t THAT.
o Nci Mr Cleveland. how r,ine that meeting s,yrf
IN ms ~, moon ~ brought sloutt A. " came
about by ny inviting Mr. shosImsn AMI Gen frsoy.t
ihink - ~ over 80 Mr. B,ccher',.
o. I1.ye you shy Iouht soolt that, TIA, - my r"rA'
lection.
O. And hsi ~, after the Friday night prayer mcctinss
4 Tbgt wa irtet tho Friday night prayer meeting
d. And how oams Won to invite them ~ 60 W hr
Rerchrr'4, A. ! lhDk the matter came up between hr
Beechrr ani my -cif IN the afternoon interTiew
o And n con .aqrrnco Of th., interview you nVii-t
Mr. Tray snd SIR shcarmfn TO go around there Dr'
,hsarm,n's sIggtsted ~ ono of 'he Comm'tS
also, was mott A. think twas
u Nov. yoG 'uro hat This Ss 0" ne |"'h o' UNIV
A.. /
a. Wei. did you ianto them around 10 Mr. Boech"'s
FOR e purpose NJ discussing the proper persons 10 -
,o,oin.l on that Committee, A. No. Cir not specifically.
- stat A K0sllrr D.
sult them.
O. Veil, with to tho appointment % tho COM
m,tec- The proper persons % be sppDini~i' A. VITA
reference to various matters
O. What matters-that others. wa ~ n
That - fir ls-yc-, that among others
O. SUw Mr. Cleveland. let u look id'le further.
about that. you. that that WA onc N
the topics 10 ~ discussed that evening with 0en Traoy'
A. am that The question Of the COMMITTEES was ds.
cusscd
o. AK you II that 81 tho topics that Mr..
shcamans snd Mr. Traeys WA desired :" DIS.
crss-the selection OF proper persons ~ compose ts
Committed
Mr.. shcsrman-Ons moment II your Honor please. {
object this question. This Ia question a. TO VII"
Gen. Tracy and Mr.. shearrnan proposed to iIsciss
Mr.. MOrrs-EO no; II "a not.
Mr. Shearman-Thcy not fortunate enough tn -
Henry Ward Beecher have objection To any 1nn--
ton as - what Mr. Beeoher desired to discuss; but VII"
they desired to discuss Ia OF no Importance.
Mr. Morris-You say that you invited them around m
consequence OF your interview with MI Boecber Now
ask you again II tho question "a 10 the selection 4"
proper persons compose the Committee was one OF Una
reasons that Mr. Tracy's and Mr. sheirmans presena
WAS desired ut Dir. Beechors that mighty ~ MO
Beecher gave special for their being there ~
evening except that no wanted TO consult some OF %
legal friends.
@. With reference TO whN' A. Win roirre"'e " WV
matter.
O. What matteri A. The matter Of Investigation
O. What nater-wasnt It mentionedt
Nr. Shearman-He Just stated
The Witness-The investigation
O Well what about that did hs want 70 di-rnp' 4.
II was a matter that did not ask him specially
O. Had no any doubt upon any questions that w''s
suggested A. 1 don't know whether he had OF not
O. We're any suggested A. lie wanted TO take leSA
advice.
O. To what end-he wanted to take legal advice ana
Mr. Tracy and Mr Sherman were invited around "e'
that purpose 10 give him the legd advice that he d.
slredi A. They were invited around
O. To give the legal advice that he desrci' A. T'7r
MI Beecher.
do what Mr.. Beecher wanted to do. suppose.
O. We're you aware OF the fact that Mt Tracy thai dV
had published statement declaring that he Ht7 MT BAR
Beechers COUNSEL A. was not
O. Well Mr. Cleveland, you was appointed one o. ID.
members Of this Committed A. Twas.
O. You WAS personal friend OF Mr.. Beeeher',' Y'O
great
O. Your relations confdcnali A. Very.
o But he had not taken your advice talked with gps
with reference TO these difficulties that were 10 BE- nv'
tgated prior to your appointment 4. am sorry TO sv
| he had not
O. When had you first beard Of the dihculty that "s
involved in that nvestgationMr. Beechers relations
with Mrs Tonf A. viii you repeat the question sirf
O. When had you first heard Of the difficulties TIA"
were TO be investigated by that Commee-the char9s
contained Ia tho Bacon letter the matters referred "
in the Bacon letteri A. had heard except thn
common report Of impure proposal by Mr. Beeehnf.
| which was in the air.
O. You had never seen the Woodruff Clafin public,'
| toni A. I had; I read that.
O. There matter OF that kind inmated There
wasn't therei A. read that.
O. Yes; and had you prior to that time ever had co"-
yersston with Mt Beccher upon the SUBJECT A About
his difference with Mr.. Beecbcr. do you meant
O About Mr. Bcecher's relations with his wfet A.
No, Sir.
O. You were member OF the Examining Committee "a
1873 we're you mott A. was not, Sir
O. When did you cease TO be a member OF the 30
aiming ommittcet A. have not ceased be yet Sr
O. When did you become onet A. 1874, January
THE WEST CHARGES.
0. In lS74-yOu IecOllect the West chargess
| A. have an indistinct recollection about them.
O. Haven't you very distinct recollection about thems
| A. No. Sir
O. Didu't YOU become aware OF them At the time OF
near the time that they proferredf A. think
| did
O. And how did you learn the factt A don't reeos'
| lect; heard them talked about In the
| o Churchi A. Ycs. Sir among the Plymouth people.
q. Yes. matter very generally discussed there