The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-05-22

10 that portIou 81 the Bl OK Hills Included ii me
treaty. Know tnat some OF tne-Ana pnruca
larry some III the pr0mlnent-onlcers are strongly
IN aver 81 throwing open the country 70 the XIV.
tiers aud OF procuring me cancellation q lhe
Indian, as 10 does now. they viii use every eHoit
10 prevent trespassers from interfering Win lheH
properly. know mat General sheridan person
ally laV0rs the opening ol tae baSA lhLt' WEI y
can be done legally. Bur heueFAl itEfis VIZ ~
A., and NJ bases hls arguments ~ vi
conscientious grounds he was mem
Der Of the commission ~nem Was loFo4ge
some years ago composed Of members " oolh
branches Uf Congress, lew prominent citlAe
aud three o. the general officers o. lhe army. he
being part 81 Lhat treaty, ne Il laullias Win the
reasons which COVE ned the COMMISSION "a
setting ASIDE the territory ior the use OF the
Indians. He thinks that now IL would be 4 Dreach
OF good falUn on the part 81 the government 70
induce or make them move from lhis reservation.
He is even opposed 10 Duying II unless the uQlaus
yolun fariiy come forward and oler 10 sell it, 4
further reason when he gives Is that the present
policy OF the government Is 10 induce them 10 sup
port themselves and engage IN thing ne SOIL.
The reservations located on the Mis-
sour River are unIavoraOle for agrical-
crops ana the next the era,snoppers oeyour
tnem. so that even * lea wnite iaoor would ue
know, are subject 70 neither drongnrs, floods nor
grassnoppers aud 4 the purpUsed experiment =
ever made among the indians u must be done 0y
placing lhem where tney can nave lne aaVah-
tages OF soil and climate and otner ma urAl meats
" making llVenhoou, auu nos ~ puee,ns sr re
on ground where no whlte FARMER @ould slbf'
GEN raj Terry Is one OF the most consclenttous
men ever knew, aud ne ls a man VINO ha7 l4a u
lne lndlan question special Atuuy, he a. Y ~
In command on the frontier for many years ana
IL familiar with the terms VI thls treaty, ne SAYS
that IL expressly states thAt Tue back hiis
snail be a permanent home Tor them. Ito
THINKS that they should never pc deprived 81 u
without tnelr express consent oy vote OF three.
fuurths Or al tue male members OF TIE tribe and
he thinks that evenlf those who so 70 Aashina-
Ton snould agree 70 part with the reservation AZ
act oil Congress would be required 70 make Il a
strictly legal proceeding. the lucians nave ~
better mend tnan General ierry. When | "a,
friend. 1 mean A tQaI Will TuQt tneY are
Justly dealt with. General sheridan, VINO, as
SAID Is in lavor Of ming the SLACK Hills SET
tlement, Will enforce the provisions OF the treaty
untll they are set aside by the consent " ootn
parties.
on this questionS
General CUsrRR-I have had M conversation
with MIN on the subject, out there Is no DOUBT but
ne iavors using the troops y necessary untn Tue
question IL Sc tied.
MISUNDERSTANDING is the Presidents positions
General CusTER-so lar as know ne mas made
nc particular explanation as 70 us position, but
imagine that his views accord with the action u
the Interior Department-tnat 4. 70 secure the
attendance in Washington OF the principal cniels
oi the tribes having claims TO the black hlls, ana
ascertain II they are wiling 10 sell or exchange
for other LANDS.
kEpoSrER-What 10 you think 81 General Grants
Indian pol0yg
General GrsrER-I know that lie mas attempted
4 policy that has been very successful. IL Is, "
d = N re aggressive war on Tue indians snu f.
IN olce subdued them, 10 locate them on reser-
yatous, showing them that IA y Will re required
encourage them In The art q agriculture. Inc
Indans have incline toward this plan and the
results nave been satisfactory.
REPoRTER-Wnat about General CROOKS policy
General CUsIER-General CrooS's poAcy ~ All
IONA eaanot be "a ried out IN most OI ne other
departments. Arizona - remote rom Washing
ton, aud he mas Detn thrown on nj own re-
sources ana not hampered ~ instructions. Inat
Territory IS even so far away that ne mas not been
troubled by Indian agents. lie mas mad tue entire
MANAGEMENT ana control q the troes' anu tne
Department 81 the interior ana Tue mAitsry
have hal very litle 70 40 WIN them. IHere
i SORT VI cooperative society IN the de-
partment east OF the Roc1y Mountain. me De-
partment or the Interior Feeds ana clothes tile
Indians ana the Department 81 y sr fights theu.
II i General Sneraanis plan 70 eXpel the miners
rom the Black HIS aud then march vest 70 inc
headwaters 81 the Powder River IN the Big Ho a
country. while General Terry thinks tnat the
troops will nave al Tat they can 40 20 look aiter
The whites in tie Black hills.
THE YELLOWSTONE EXPEDITIONS.
II the Yellowstone project Il carried out a small
Getaclmen Will only be lett sulncIent - mold the
RFPoArER-How FAR do you think General For.
syine VIII be able 70 ascend the Yellowstone IN ms
steamer
mouth OF inc Big horn. steamer reached tnat
pOfnE two years ago. We marched thence up
the Vess oank q the leHoWstohe thihk 4 lsat
drapgat steamer VIII nave little trouble. II l. ia1-
portant 10 determine about this, because eyeuiu.
ANY large post Will have TO BE- established IA that
country sOr the opening 81 new transportation
routes 70 Montana. II IL 4 found tnar STEAMBOATS,
can ascend anywhere nearly AZ hign Is VI nave
stated Ii VIII lessen the cost or snIpnng every
thing that i now carried oy ran and wagons IN
fact Il would MAKE a complete revolution in he
present system OF Transportation.
REP0ETER -hoW FAR j. n from the mouth OF the
Yellowstone " the point wnere the proposed
depot /. 10 be localedf
RgroRrER-How large steamers can ascend tne
Yellowstone this dlstarceg
General CrsrER-Ihe only steamer that mas
mace the rrlp. - lar a. fknow. = the josephine.
a llgnt draught GOAT, which has been used IN the
Missouri aver trade. she Will Garry TWO COM
panies 81 men. with equipments baggage, &C.
EEFoRTEg-Wnen VIII the Yellowstone expedi-
ton Starts
thEt IL. II Niil cave Bismarck about that time.
General forsythe ana Colonel Graut Will be IN
command. aud they WILL iaks aOout sixty men
from Fort Beaufort. the nearest post 20 the NOUN
q tne ie lonstOue. Wnen they nave gone as iar
as tney can safely they will return apa re orr.
Inen under General Sneridanis plan, the land ex-
peQltiou Nil start rom Fort Lincoln Q the point
whlcu ney reashed. Meanwnne the steamer may
20 u 3 again with supplies TX would not Ue g0O1
policy - letve tAem IN rne first trip, a. large
force would b. required ~ project then. Last iai
started i9r the BIZ horn. From the time theY Lit
Eozeman untn tney returned theg were sur
rounded Dy Indians continually. lhey had
many 81 their horses snot. ana the expedition was
nnaiii abandoned, with considerable loss u ne
RrPoKrsR About now FAR i It nom the Black
Hius--ag from Harneys Peak-tnr0ugA 10 tnis
point, tue mouth q AZ BIZ Horn, on me yellow
General cUsrEE-It Is considerably less than 20
miles.
REPORTER-Wnat il the general appearance 81
the ground between tn - TWO placesf
General CUsTER-From haruey's Peak vest
waTo tn country j. exceedingly broken; but IL
gradually opens tni0 . eyel rolling IL ion,
spa sely timuered and 10 places wnAoui grass Il
passed over p0rtI0n Of Il 10 ls5s ~ 1859 Near
the Back His there IL plenty 81 tmOsr.
kEPOhTER-H UNDERSTAND correctly. the Black
HIS are cluster q mountains standing out "a
General cUsrER-Yes, ~ themselves. You can
KEFoRIER-what j. tue area they occupy