National Republican. (Washington City (D.C.)) 1872-1888, 1875-09-18


any parties concerned here 1t refers simply to
| Charles Fishers talk have not heard that Mr.
Evans name was even mentioned In that eonnec-
MrHepkle L do not think that this case should
be broug ht into an investigation Of this KIND and
| on trial and mas an opportunity to meet them
Mr.. Nichols. quite agree with you, General.
Colonel Berret 1 suppose the General meant to
have now on foot. and Ss-1r. holland seemed to
be n knowing witness nm NJ examines when It was
found that he knew nothing:
II understand IL correctly or knowledge relates
more Immediately to the robbery than to the
charge before the commission.
witness. And to the alleged division OF the
silks that have not been recovered know moth
ing about his credioility or mania for knowing 3
great deal and yet knowing nothing
Colonel Berret And ali this matter connected
with what has been stated in regard to Mr.. Fisher
and MT: NSlsnd Is under your consideration now
be kept secret?
Witness. Yes, SIR.
ruaors Of Mr. NoIand's EpoHiedSe related 70 the
charge and specifications that we are Interested
in or upon which we are trying Mr. CIarvoe 2
| You stated inst now that thew related mainly to
the division OF the spoils a. Well, perhaps re-
motely
By Mr.. Cock: q. If you can state anything by
which we can nut a more specific question to Mr..
NOand than W have done relating TO this charge,
why we should be glad TO know IL? A. l do not
In1nk WOULD oe able 70 90 50, me rum2fs 50 re-
l
ported in the first place that the division OF these
uncovered silks was to take place, and whether
| this rumor come from holland or Fisher / cannot
say positively, but the first runor 1 heard was
| that the silks we're in the city, They were to be
divided between Charles Fisher and Mr.. Evans,
with the detectives; whether detectives Of wash
| ington or Baltimore do not know.
By Mr.. Henkle: @. You do not know whether
| that was chief detective or superintendent
| Witness. The superintendent do not suppose
was referred to. He is not spoken Of as q detec-
| tive, otherwise might have taken 1t for myself
but whether 1t refers to Washington detectives
or baltimore detectives cannot say.
| Mr.. Henkle. i meant no dIsrespect to you,
Major Richards. I only meant BY that that while
1t Is very proper for q gentleman in the position
OF MAJOR Richards, having the police supervision
OF the District, to regard rumors and trace them
/ judicial in Its character, IL seems to me that
/ runners are not proper foundation for
action, nor even for inquiry, until thew
nave been reduced to some definite shape. Courts
Of justice, after great experience, nave settled
upon these rules, and think in all bodies that
Investigate facts the rules adopted by the courts
for the taking Of testimony will be found to be
| the only sale ones That utterly excludes all
sorts OF rumors Now, l have heard rumors
| against many gentlemen as to whom have not
the slightes suspicion in the world: 1have heard
rumOIs against the President oil the United
States, Senators in Congress, heads Of Depart.
ments-some OF them may have been true-out
many Of them, have no doubt, were false, Ger
tslnly IL Will not do TO try mems regulations on
! idle rumors, nor ought they be spoken of in an
JunIclal character
witness think may state that great many
be- baseS s N se gs ~ naI
Fisher. II there is any truth in rumOrs, he has
made great many statements aud talked great
deal about this matter.
q. Allow me TO ask whether any Of these rumors
came directly or indirectly from Mr.. Claryoe, or
connected Lin With II? A: Not that know Of
Y. UT Mr.. EVansT A. NO, sir. None OF these
rumors are connected with those involved In the
Dailing OF Snyder. They refer simply, as said
before, to the division Of uncovered silks.
BY Mr. Nichols: q. Mr.. Fisher was connected
with the bailiDg? A. Yes, by his note. He the
only one.
Colonel Berret. We have no right to try Mr..
MIR. Henkle. want to ask Major Richards a
question in that connection at the suggestion Of
this matter. Mr. Evans wants to know whether
Mr.. Fisher didn't come here to these hesdquar-
tiers and deny that he had made any such state
ments as have been attributed to him? A. Yes,
sir he did positively deny the statements that had
been attributed to him BY MIR. Nichols.
q. Did you give Chief Detective ClarvOe any
instructions relative to the arrest Of Green before
his first arrest on August2I? understand
that to be the time of the first arrest.
brought over here for Identification.
Mr.. Nichols. Yes, sir.
A. Yes, sir; and all the detectives, every one of
them.
z. In reference to this particular man? A. The
first point to be ascertained whether this man
could be Identified; to ascertain who he was. That
came pretty thoroughly established that this man
was not Edes. So far as that is concerned, told
Mr;Mepeyitt that very night when 1 met him,
you leave any stone unturned, attend TO no other
business until you establish the fact whether or
q. Did you or did you not have any suspicion
that the person personating Edes was this Mr..
Green, until you returned from New York A.
Oh, yes, sir; It had been mentioned but nothing
certain. 1 met MIR. Clarvoe that very night, a
very few minutes after leaving the office. met
him on Pennsylvania avenue, near the MetrOpOli-
tan hotel, and stated to him there that Snyder
had been released, and that we must endeavOr to
find out whether 1t was the genuine release not
Our suspicious WerearOused at once, for some rea-
son. 1 hardly know why, but there was some
thing wrong about 1t; Mr. Clarvoe said: Ger
fact"
O. 1t was placed In the hands Of Judge Wilson,
1t appears by his testimony of yesterday, on the
after that; told him not to take any steps in
gard to the arrest OF this man until he consulted
Judge Wilson
BY Mr.. Henkle. q. Just want to call atten-
tiOn to the fact testified to by Judge Wilson; 1t
was on the 9th of August; Judge Wilson says he
was employed by the Government, and thought
taken.
Q. Can you recall when you first had reason to
who personated Edes? 4. think Mr.. Mcbevitt
first mentioned to me that it was barber in Bal
timOre; that he had some clue that it was bar
Der; he came to me and desired me to go over to
dent; A day or two before that time this matter
had been placed in the hands Of Judge Wilson to
prosecute, and I..said to McDevitt, ''DOn't you
take any steps until you advise with Judge Will
SON."
Mr.. Nichols. oh, no, the bail was taken long
before that, on the 9th of August, but Judge
Wilson was requested by the Attorney General
of the United States to take charge Of this case
on that day that Mr.. Leighton and Chief Detec-
tive Clarvoe went over 10 Baltimore.
Mr.. Henkle. That is what mean; and brought
thls man PACK on tne evening following TO iden-
tIy hlm, ana Iet INN return.
W WINES. Inc pail was setuaiiy. taken on the
zotn. IIefious 70 thst uLne, II my Resurrection
serves me IIehe, ne naa an lnImat9n thst tnls
was = DaIDer IN pa AT tnlnk nus name
mao Dc zen mentionea, u renenDer rightlY, In re-
gaLu 70 ~: IN iaet mere was 1oe cay passed IN
when tnis pdtter was not unuer olscuss.on, ana
efforts were being made to ascertain who the man
"as-who peisonaiel Eaes.
ny ~. van you reean Hnetner IL was before Judge
Mnsen was empiOyea! lou sala moment ago
you lhou NJ II eame from nicpeIitt, ana tnat you
directed him to consult with Judge Wilson. A.
That was IN regard ts th:s
u NOV, 90 you mean 70 say before That that
you had mad some intimation that II was barber
In baitlmoleT a; yes, 81, We nad:
9. DO you recall VINO i Hss3 A. cannot re-
csIi WY ~ was 1or, uut tnink II was only day
OF Two AIteIhalos tnat We got the nrsI lntmatl0n
that II was q man from baItlmore-a oaroer.
". 10 you IeeolIect having conversation WITH
0 . a4ouI ~ ana mentioning Daroer In Bal
umoreI d. les, sr,. every Gay.
Y. Do you mention oaroeT IN Baltimore? A.
think we did.