New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-03-19
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e.h There were meetings st OF which Mr. Bell was
present atho meeting OF the Deacon don't taink ne
was present
Mr. shearnan-Lot rs have a fair understanding
The wltncss-very well
O. Ny question distinctly as TO the meeting OF inc ~
OF October in regard to which you had been Intercepted
Mr. shearman-Youa mistaken; he has not been nteHo
gated a. to the meeting Of the 18th Of October
Mr. Fullcrton-The 2Sd Of October.
Mr. Shear nan-The Both Of October
Mr. Fuerton-whateyer the date is. thought It vas tho
2Sh.
The Wness-There two meetings.
O The Goth OF OctOber' A. That Is the meeting OF the
Dcacons and think Mr. Bell not present Ny best feco'
lection is that he not present at that meeting
O. These persons this person, Mr. Fitzgerald, think IL
was whom you named having been present at the meetng
was this the meeting you referred to- namely the Both OF oc'
tober, Yes SIR that Is when Mr. Fitzgerald was present
lie was present part OF the meeting; he came in late
O. Was he present at the Woodruff scandal was the
subject Of considerations A. He was
O. Was there a motion made or resolution offered TOT
adoson at that meeting regard to the Woodhu scandal
A. Idoa't-f were to should and no from
my stand point mean.
O Well which would be true A. Substantially there was
In fact cannot that there was.
O. Well WHAT mean Mr. Halliday, is, did any one make
he formal motion or offer for formal resoiu-
ton that It was not expedient to take any steps
I'm regard TO the woodruff scandal or anything sembrac
Ing the subject in any way A. could get at it you would
let me say two three words, Judge.
O. don't think you get at anything by saying Two OF
words just my question that put A.
don't know how give better answer than nave 1uds
Substantially there was resolution or formally would say
not looking at the matter a. do.
At this point there private conference between MI
shcarman and Morris in regard to the book containing
portion OF the records Of Plymouth Church.
Mr. Beach-What is it?
Mr. shearmanI object TO their looking AZ Tue reco'u "'
they put It in evidence.
Mr. BcachWc perhaps, going to produce 1t IN evdehce
and We propose to look at the whole book.
Mr. Shearman-We want to have it put in evidence
Mr. Beach-Very well
The Witness-[To Mr. Fullerton: am speaking no" from
my best recollection, Judge.
Mr. Fuleron-Of course, Mr. Halliday, you won SPEAK
from your worst recollection thai is taken for granted Dd
you participate in that discussions A am very certain sd
Sir.
O. Do YOU rccoect saying anything that occasion Of this
import that Mr. Beecher did the Church to take any
steps in regard to 1t? A. | said anything Of the kind
there.
Did you make u-e Of any form OF expression conveying
the idea that Mr. Beecher official action on
the part Of Church, anything representing it
did not
O. Are you entirely positive upon that subect' A. am
O. Did you express such sentiment without saying In
effect that Mr. Beecher requested you to- DID you say
it OF your own notion A. VIII you please repea! the
question:
MR. HALIIDAYS INFLUNCE ON THE COMMITTEE.
O. Did you say, in substance to that body, or to
any member OF that body that evening" thai the Church ought
any action upon the subject because you thought
it would be dspleasingto Mr.. Beccher' A No, Sir
Mr. Beach-Or in substance that' A. No. Sir
Mr. FuIcronD Did you say anything like that in subsiance
A. said what possibly might be construed So lwould De
very wllin: to gay Just what did say IL might.
O. Well YOU may say it, A. simply stated to the meeting
that Mr. Bccher the afternoon before the Tuesday when he
came TO say to such and such pamphlet was to ap
pear after going through the whole Of and stating
have
O. is this whatyou s,acd' A. This exactly what stated
there
! @ To the meeting, A. To the meeting After Mr. Beecher
GOT through giving the Of the paper that was
10 appear he said II have made up my mind distinctly a. to
what shall pursue shall not notice II; shall treat
| i, with silent contempt
Didn't You say in effect that to the meeting' A re-
heated Mr. BcCcher's remarks 10 me.
O. Didn't you say for purpose Of influencing the body
whom you addressing,
a. No Sir
q You did not: A. Ar. Beecher--
@ One moment.
Tie Witness want to tell you thing in connection with
il, il you vii. allow
Nj FuIlerton-i doubt what you want 10 do That
Is a subject Of dispute. What want you to do is simply
to answer my question.
The Winess-Ye9, Sir
O understand you now to say YOU did say that with
purpose influencing the body whom we're addressing
A. Not in the least
You object view in conveying to that body'-
A. had
O ION have not got the question yet You had idea in
converting 10 that body information that Mr. Becher
going take any in regard to the woodruff scandal
had you? A. Yes, and no.
O. Yes and no. Well which is true-yes or A. Both.
O. Both are true Well will leave it there won't dis
turb the harmony these Now did have any
conversation wild any of that body there that night
any person present during the discussion OF this sub
ec the Woodruff scandal which was not addressed TO the
body In generaf A. did not according to the best OF my
recollection open my lips except at the meeting the pre-
yous evening when Of these Gentlemen present and
then not to them personally understand your question:
individuals at least.
O. Was Captain Duncan then present. A. My impression is
thar he was though cannot tell lie was Deacon THINK at
that time.
O. Was Mr. West PRESENT. A. think the records that
he present.
Q Do you remember that he present. A. do from the
record only.
Mr. Fulleron-Nery well
PLAINTIFFS COUNSEL OFFER THE MINUTES OF
PLYMOUTH CHURCH.
Mr.. Beach--In this connection just prove what
occurred.
MIR Fullerton-Now you speaking Of records Handing
book to wtncss Look at that and see that is the record
or one OF the records Of the church, and what? A. Do
YOU mean the whole book or this particular record'
@ mean the book A. The book is the record OF them
other words il the book OF the deacons Of Plymouth
Church.
O. Rmbodyng record OF their action from time to time, I.
| they held meetings A. Yes, Sir.
O Does II record all OF the proceedings Of that Committee
OF that body? A. No Sir.
O. Does it record all according The rules and regulations Of
| the church A. think does.
Mr. Fuleron-Wcll offer II In evidence.
Judge Nelson-Lcti il be marked.
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