New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-08-28
q. Ia that your signaturei A. Yes, Sir.
q. Did you John Hand sign the orig1nai' "A
him s0n IT,

O. State whether the bill known Chapter 5s5, Laws
Of 1871 subsequently passed-he bill for the reei
Of John Handi A. 1t was.
O. Did you at the instance and request Of George D.
Lord prepare papers and witnesses to appear
before the Canal Commissioner TO make claim against
the state for the relief OF John Hand A. Yes, SIR
Hand $50 O66 a. A. Yes Sir; that is, recollect it.
Q. state whether not YOU became partner IN 30.
and what interest George d. Lord had in these
O. And did all of the claimants agree to the carrying
O. Did you ever receive any portion Of that award :
ton the whole OF that award from the treasurer OF the
Audiforf A. No, Sir.
Letting any more than oDe-thrdi A. Yes, Sir. M
Q. Subsequently did you enter into negotiations WIN
Tdeus {. Davis authorizing You to get your thiin OF
q. Was that money procured A. Yes, Sir v o,,,s
o. Did you ever receive any other sum from any OF me
parties, from the Bank of Monroe. or from any other
source whatever account Of that particular money
@. Did John Hand receive any portion OF TIE
O. Your attention is now called to the manner in which
these accounts made up. Did you make them up
@. did Won present It 10 Geo D Lord A. Yes, sir.
q. What suggestion dit he make, II any about raising
ii A. lie sal IL was too small ana wanted i''ie"fe
HOW BILLS WERE INCREASED
O. Did you ncicasc il Ib.tlarily aud without any rel
ercnce TO the facts # the casei a. | did
O. And you so Ires.nted and verified It'll A. Yes, Sir.
Q. What system you to adopt, or what were your
instructions in reference to carrying cut Loras sngse
ton raising the account A. The instructions were
o. state whether YOU subsequently, in the Fall OF 1871,
were approached again by Lord IN relation to tue CON
tracts and Il awards under them A. was
Q. Did you show Lord the raised account A 10 not
now remember. o, ~
fist approached you ia 1874 in relation to making up
account en- The contracts that were concerned IN tne
passage OF this act IN 1871 A. Geo d. lOiu was thc hes
9. Hal Sqa ever sassesed maSins u9 any further
q what Instructions did he give your A. 10 make d
O. On ! he third contract A. Yes, Sir.
Q. hnd did yor make tnat application a. Yes sr
q. VINO did be refer you tof A To william H. BOW
q. state whether Bowman had an interview with you
g. Did You pres, at lie account to the Canal Commits
sioneIs under that claim A. les, Sir
Q. Who arranged tEat meeting with The Canal Comnis-
soncrs, and at whose oce was it held A. 1t was IN
the Office Of Inaddells c. Davis
q VINO appeared at that meeting on behalf OF Lord
@ state not yon presented the bill Tor that
claim A. did not present it at that time
q. WHO id you present II to first A. 10 Bowman.
q. Was il rctniBed to you A. Yes, SIR.
q. IN what did lie claim IL was wrOnb A. IL was not
large cnO. ,i. ,, -,
q. 10 whom did you present that A. 40 Thaidcus Z.
O. Did he direct in your presence This affidavit to he
mac, Iatlda.t producedI TO that increased bill verify
Ing a. Yes Sir: 49,, J., ,o,ono T.
A. GsisWold II Thaddeus c. Davis directediti A. Yes,
and fictitious az To time Yes, Sir.
O. Is this statement of 9l46 days that is charged FOR
Labor superintendencc, &e-ls that true OF raiser
O. Was it so made at tie instance of these parties you
Q. Was the whole bin fasol A. There was Of it
correct.
sit2l Did you ever employ Davis the mA'S' A. No.
TO WHOM SOME TIE MONEY WAS PAID.
O. State whether after that award was made you OBJ
tanned in the prese nee Of Bowman from Canal Commits
sioner James Jackson jr., the whole amount Of the
award, $4,000, in certihcatesi A. Yes, Sir.
Q. Was Mr.. Bowman PRESENT. A. Yes Sir.
Q. What disposition did you make OF the certificates
that you obtaiIcdi A. reid them.
of the scrviccs rendered at that te any Of tie
eeIthea1es. "A: Yes' sir roma
q. How much did Bowman receive as you understood
it, a. One thousand dollars H.. .,.o,..o.,o ~, chi.
vorA. obtained false estimates from the Inspector
in charged A. Yes, Sir.
what they ought to he A. Yes Sir.
Q. DID you pay him large sums OF money While you
we're prosecuting tins work A. Yes, Sir.
Mr. Magone-If your Honor please, the witness claims
that lie paid large sums OF money to other persons but
unless Honor desires IT, do not now desire 10 90
in.o that branch of the $500
in the papcFt A. lido not remember.
q. You knew that kiley was one of his employees A.
@. Did YOU know who was in the habit of doing bust
ness in this way A. Yes Sir.
q. state how you understood the relief was to DC got
when Lord first spoke to you on the SUBJECT A. FROM
H. y"ar book fairly and honestly kept except SO far
YOU have made erdsurcs ! ~ Yes Sir.
q. Dill You falsy your books by raising the figures
O. The books were otherwise correct to the labor
BY Mr. nand-Prevous to the application of Mr. Lord
had you done work for hint A. Yes, Sir.
O. At what time lad tue contract been paid up in full
at the price authorized In the bill A. 90 not know
@ lid you know that time that there any def;
cheney between the contract price aud the expense ol
doing the work ! A. did not know for "A certainty
TESTIMONY OF MIR. oRRs.
Alexander l.. Orrs Of the Canal Commission testified,
being examined b. Mr. Magone:
O. You arc a merchant, and familiar with accounts
A. Yes. Sir.
O. Have yon examined the accounts in the contracts
with tie State, the hooks l produce herei A. have
examined the accounts ia reference to the dredging Of
O. Carcfuliyi A. Yes. Sir
g. What IL the amount charged in the account pre-
scented to the Canal Conmissonersi A. -Four thousand
on the frat award, but on examination nnd that
tneIe only LOS days four ana hours
accounted for am going on 10 make Il. Iurther exal-
nation.
INTERESTING TESTIMONY OF JOHN HAND.
John Hand being sworn testified follows By Mr..
Mag0ne-Q. Are you the John Hand mentioned III the
several contracts for work the Erie Basin the Ohio
Basn and the Black Rock arbor III 1901 A. Yes, Sir
O. You knew Of this bill for relief Of John Handf
A. Yes Sir.
q: DID you receive cent of money under it,
0. Had you any reason to believe that you did not
have fair and iemuDerative priest Had the money
received from the State been retained by you'll think
tar ONO Basin WORK too low.
O. Had YOU any reason to believe that you we're doing
the wO.k at too low prices A 1t WAS pretty low
1gurin,.
A. fading them altogether
q. Yes. A. could not say as TO that
q. You not the accountant A. No. sir
u. Did You know the amount VI money that was re-
ceiyed ana paid QUIT A. No. Sir.
o. YOUR Information was from Bennett A. Yes sir.
"a
out took between SIC 900 and $4,000 with me 10
Buffalo, and when | came back ] hal between $4,000
and $4,000.
O. and paid all your expensesl A. Yes, Sir