New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-01

A. cannot tell you, only his name was used
O. Put in what connection it used you cannot tell
met A. No. Sir, cannot
@. Have Won gvea all of that conversation far
you recollcct ta A. All that think of at this moment
O. slrl A. All that comes to my mind at this moment
O. All that you now recollect, ask youi A. Yes
Sir
TIE CONVERSATION WITH MR.. MOULTON.
@. will trouble YOU, Sir, moment or two
further in regard to Mr. Moulton You say that was in
December, ls74-Dec 10 think you said, 1874, when
Mr. Mouiton INDUCED in those threats against MI.
Beecher. Who were present at that conversational a.
Mr. MoultOn, my brother, and myself.
O. Mr.. Moulton, your brother, and yourself And how
was that conversation introducedi You and your
brother went there together, l understand A. Yes,
Sir
Q. How WAS the conversation introduced A. Shall ]
go on and give the whole conversation
Mr.. Brach-It you please.
The Witness-Mr. Moulon then went on to state to me
that part of his statement which he last published that
MI Tlton opposed to it, that he never approved OF
it, and it was commenced in that way and then he spoke
of Mr. Beecher In regard TO that portion, he said
MI Beach-Before you 90 TO that
The witness-Excuse me- will go Tie said he
didn't believe himself but that Mr. Beecher said and
Gen. Butler said lie must put IL in, but Mr. TiltOn was
opposed it, and then he denounced him, and said Mr.
would 60 and shoot him If said
O. When you refer to This portion Of the last statement
You mean portion of which related TO other parties
than Mr. Beecher and Mrs TiltOnl A. Yes, Sir.
O. And Mr. Mention said that Mr.. Tiltcn was opposed
to that A. Yes, Sir, to that part of it,
@. To that part of 1t Z A. Yes, Sir
O. But that il true that Mr.. Beecher had said 80 in
regard to that third person. and Mr. Butler his
sell insisted upon its going into his statement A. Yes,
Sir he said he never believed himself but Mr. Boechcr
said
O. lie never believed it, but that Mr. Beecher said so
A. Yes. Sir.
O. How long was that conversation A. Oh, - min
utes OF half hour 1t not long conversation; it
a short one.
O. There was moro said, supposed A. There was;
yes, Sir.
O. Mr. Moulton complained that Mr.. Beecher had pub
licly called him blackmaileri A. Yes, Sir.
O. He said that he had ways been faithful friend to
Mr.. Beecheri A. don't know as he did in this CONVEX
SALON. it was in ahother conversation where he used
that; he may have in this conversation but it was in
another conversation he used that.
O. will get it, thcni A. Yes. Sir.
O. But in this conversation, when MI MoultOn auded
to the fact that Mr.. Beecher had publicly charged him
with being blcknaer, did he not speak of the injustice
OF that aCcusatiOnl A. Well think he did, but that part
Of the conversation am not clear about
G. You think he did When he did speak OF it he spoke
of it with feeling, didn't he A. II he did, not clear
about that portion of the conversations would not state
he didn't state it, but cannot recall it,
y. You say you think he did. You said while agoi
A. He may have said So but don't recall it.
@. You said a While ago you thought he did, A. 1t
would be quite natural from his former conversation.
O. Mr. Mouton, at any rate was very much excited in
regard to that charge, was he mott A. He was in
@. No, in this conversational A. 1t would only be by
inference
@ Why, man threaten TO shoot another without being
excited, do You 10 say, Mr. Storrsl A. Well, he
would naturally be excited, presume.
O. lam asking you Sir from your recollection Of that
conversational A. No; he not much excited as he
was the other; no. he was pretty cool.
Q. Well, the other before afteri A. Yes; the
other was in august and this was in December.
q. The other before then A. Yes, Sir
@. And at the former conversation he manifested q
great deal OF excitement you say upon that subject OF
being charged ablackmaer A. More than any other
portion of the conversation.
O. And protested that he had been true and steady
friendl A On the former conversation; yes Sir.
Q. Well, in which conversation it, or it in both,
that he said Mr. Beecher had followed his advice this
dispute would not have occurred and did he not ii in
bothi A. am not sure; 1t was in the August one,
think, that he said that.
O. Well You certain whether not he said 1t in the
December conversation A don't remember 1t then.
O. You don't remember whether he did not A.
No.
O. Well Cir, you considered it the threat OF angry
mani A. Well, partially.
Mr.. Tracy-Whch threat are you speaking abouti
Mr. Beach, have heard OF hut one
Mr.. Tracy-woll, you talking about two converse
tons
Mr.. Beach-No, amt.
Mr.. Tracy-I beg your pardon
Mr Beach-No, / am not insist upon it know what
am talking about
Mr. Tracy-You asked him if it was the threat Of an
angry man. You had last been talking about the con-
versatiOn in August
Mr. Beach, have not heard Of but one threat.
Mr. Tracy-You were last talking about the conversa-
ton in August, and the threat made In December
Mr. Beach, am asking about threat, and nothing
else.
Mr. Tracy-I fair to the witness that he should know
what threat you asking about.
Mr.. Beach-[To the ssl-Iaye you spoken Of but
threat
The Witness-NOt OF shooting
O. Have you spoken your examination OF more than
one threatf A. No; not certainly about shooting.
O. Well, have you spoken OF any Others A. don't call
70 mind.
O. Very well, then am talking about that one.
Mr. Tracy-The witness certainly has whether he calls
II TO mind or not for the witness in the August CONVERSE
ton did say that Mr. Moulton sAd that he would drive