New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-23
TESTIMONY OF HERMAN o. ARMOUR.


Mr.. Evarts-Mr. Armour, where do you resided A. In
this city.
@. And where do you carry on busincssi A. In New
York
@. What placei A. Do you want my entire business
@. No. don't want anything except your place OF
business. A. 129 Broadst.
@ What line Of business are you inf A. ] am o mer-
chant
@. In any particular linei A. Well, am a packer Of
beef and pork in the Western country.
Q. Connected with the produce tradei A. am q
packer of beef and pork In the Western county that is
my main business.
Q. And how long have you been resident here and
how long in business in NewYorki A. About ten years
O. Do you know Mr. Francis ID. MoultOni A. do.
O. How long have you known hint A. From eight to
ten years.
O. In the way OF business personal intercourse or
both A. In the way of business.
O. Have you in that time become acquainted with himi
A. Somewhat
O. Now, Sir, do you remember the fact of the pubca
ton OF what is called the Woodruff scandal A. Yes,
Sir.
O. Did you have a conversation with Mr. Moulton
about last Novemberi A. Yes, Sir.
O. In reference TO this subject, or this suit A. Yes
Sir.
O. What was that conversation A. don't know that
could relate 1t in whole.
O. Give the substance OF what you can narrates a.
Mr. Moulton met me as was going into my dinner want
ing me TO 20 to his examine the papers that he
had in this suit.
Mr. Morris-One moment. Mr.. Evarts, what do you re-
fer tot
Mr. Evarts-Page ISL OF the pamphlet. Doyou wish
US to wait y
Mr. pfys6f-Yes, Sir
plaintiffs counsel having examined the tesNmoh! Vi
MI Moulton, Mr.. Evarts proceeded
O. You say he wanted you to look at some papers ~
He wanted me to 80 with him to his residence and exam
inc the papers in this case TO show me that he was right
In his general position.
Q. Very well what passed between yonf A. wen,
declined to CO. and he insisted upon bringing the pa
pers to my house to show what there OF the case
and declined then and said didn't know and didn
care anything about IL.
O. Well, what came along in the cOnversaton-what
did you finally toi A. Well he kept pressing the
point of my examining the papers to such an extent that
finally told him I wouldn't believe him under oath
O. What did he then say TO youf A. He said he wonld
make it hotter than hell for anybody else that tes
tilted against him.
Mr. Morris-One moment.
Mr. Eyarts-Did You have further remaiksi A.
He asked me II thought that he had blackmailed Mr.
Beeeher; and told him nobody else that knew
him thought So but that thought he had got money out
OF Beechef for Mr.. Tilton.
O. What did he ssy to thati A. Well, could not say
what his reply was.
change A. Yes he asked me about the opinions Of
people there.
O. Opinions Of the Produce Exchange people. A. Yes
Sir.
O. What did you tell him about III
Mr Beach-There was inquiry OF Mr.. Monlton, Sir,
in regard to declarations OF this character
Mr.. Evarts--This last
Mr. Beach-Yes or the other.
Mr.. Morris-The other, toO-a'
Mr.. Evarts-Threas hotter than hell' and threats
are the
Mr.. Beach-Oh no.
Judge Neilson--I think counsel will have to turn TO Mr.
Moulton's examination TO observe what he said
Mr. Evarts-Yes, Sir, we have it we have looked ut It,
Mr. Morris-We have looked at it too, and there Is no
foundation for the testimony that they have given AL
ready.
Judge Neson-It Is understood now that the inquiry
will be directed 10 what MI Moulton may have said Oh
being interrogated.
Mr. Eyarts-He denied having any conversation
MI. Morris-No, no; you are mistaken
Mr.. EvaTts-"IIaye you had any conversation Win
him about his being witness on this trial I"
Mr. Shearman-" On the subject Of his testimony
Mr. Evarts-"On the subject OF his testimony" Wei,
Sir / will ask the question and IL my friends think IT
the rule. they will raise the objection sup
pose ITO the witness Did he, IN this conversation,
ask yon anything TO what the opinion OF the Produce
Exchange in regard to him aud in regard TO his position
in the matter vast
Mr.. Morris-Objocted 10.
The Witness-He did.
Mr. Morris-Dont answer; object to it.
Mr. Evars-He answers TO the fsct that thefe was
conversation lie says there was conversation. Now
offer to give what passed between Mr.. Moulton aud this
witness on that subject
Judge NeilsOn-YOu can give that II Mr. Mouiton has
been interrogated. don't think he was.
Mr. Evartse has had the general Interrogation as to
whether he had "A cony ersation with this gentleman
which he substantially ignores.
Mr. Beach-well, this is the evidence, il your Honor
please and all OF it, as understand. lReadmgl
Mr. rracy-IIave you ever threatened persons with
danger to themselves if they should testify behalf Of
the defendants No have not Threatened persons IL
q. Have you threatened any personi A. No, have
not threatened any person
Q. Did YOU threaten Mr.. Armour that You would crush
him II lie should testify against you on this triat A. No.
/ did not threaten Mr. Armour that would crush hun
q. DO you know him A Yes; he is not The man to be
@. Have you had any conversation with him op the
subject Of his tcstmonyi A. don't recolcc having any
nth him the subject Of his testimony.
ha to % n% him III S the .T an
q. Yes; did You state to him that you would crush
O. Did you ever threaten to crush him for anything
witness on this TRAIL A. dci think said anything
him about his being witness no. don't think did
is not would use such language to, Mr.. Tracy
Nothing said about the Produce Exchange Sir,
opinions Of the Produce Exchange.
Mr.. Morris-Now. having read that, move that the
testimony that he has given be stricken out.
Mr. Evarts-Let us dispose Of this present question
Judge NeilsOn-I think You cannot give IT,.
Mr. Morris-I move that II be stricken out
Judge NeilsonA part of what has been received would
he proper.
Mr. Evarts-I not been objected TO- Is one reason
Mr. Pryor-Well, didn't know.
Mr. Evarts-I think making it hotter Than hen" Is
the same thing.
Judee Nejlson-No ] don't know whether 1t IL the
same thing or not; that will stand, however, In the
sense that it reaches some portion Of what Mr. MoultOn
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