New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-08-13
THE TESTIMONY.

Dennis Burns. He testified In substance % follows
was member Of the Legislature In the year 1871;
recoeot passage Of the hedmoney bill one OF the
members came my and told me that must vote
In favor Of the bil was ono OF the best measures
that had been introduced in time he said that
the head money reduced the passage rate would DE
less, and immigrants would be brought here Ior ntLie
money; l not positive who the member Oh The
Legislature was but think 1t was Ar. f~a'
! never heard Of any such bill before that
time did not know that any action had been akeh ny
the Commissioners Of Emigration locking to decrease
OF head money never saw Nolan until the year 1875
don reeocct cOnverDg with SIr Hustled on the maj
ter had heard that money had been spent 10 secure
tho passage OF the hill asked unanimous consent 10
have the bill immediately passed to third reading con-
senf granted and the bill passed imincdi"'hy
favored It's passage principally because understood the
reduction of heai-,noney would involve propOrtionAtcy
the reduction passage money the fact was SO r~pre-
scented TO me- il had understood differently would not
have voted for the bill.
EXAMINATION or GEN. p. II. JONES.
Gen Patrick IT, Jones then testified He said | was
4. one time counsel for the Emigration Commissioners
served from the year 1863 until 1871 my resignation
was sent in long before 1t accepted; believe drew
my salary until the time the acceptance OF the resg
nation; first met Nolan in the year 1854, when was
In the army he employed by mo afterwari when
was Clerk OF the Court u Appeals when left the Post
Office asked for the OF my name for his law
til. work the Office and attended to the business when
VIVA counsel to tho Emigration Commissioners; was in
their employment when the reduction OF head-money
WAS proposed; Mr. Schwab and Mr.. Williams came into
my Office think in the year 1869 OF 1870 and TAXED 10
me in regard to the reduction OF hesdinOney favored
H. and have always doae and when was sent by the
Commissioners to the Legislature. year SCI u secure
All increase Of headmoney, did so IN opposition 10 my
private views drew dollar out Of the firm with
which Nolan WIS connected in my life; in the spring oi
the year 1874 first became aware OF hosns connection
with the steamship cOppancs 1t was on tle oceiSon Vi
legislative nyestig ition similar to this; Nolan after
ward spoke to me about the matter. Dut
told him / did not want to know anything
about the business. Il was his own private
affair and nothing to me never wrote any ietter I'd
ANY member OF the Legislature in regard to reducing
hcad-roney neither did go 10 Albany about the mat
ter except Ike 1867 TO make this whoo matter
very brief. never knew anything about Nolins trans
a. tons with tine steamship companies until the matter
WAS brought out by tho Legislative Committed had
nothing do with the passage OF the resolution
BIZ the Emigration Commissioners: am acquainted
with Thomas j. Creaner don't know who introduced
him 10 Dir. Soaa have never received from Soian
apv money except what / loaned hini-probabiy not
over SJO')-esccpt that he owes me Sui Sl'ooc;
| meyer received a dollar OF the steamship COM
panies' money from him or any otler person
Noans dealings with tbs steamship companies were his
own Affairs ia which had business. and refused to
Ia We any conference with him the subject; have
always advised reduction OF the head-noney because
tended the commerce Of the port ana Increase
the number OF mm grants they should not be burden
to the state the people. yet It seems to me
with the bealnoncy 81 80 the Emigration Commits
sion shonl be selfsnpporing; at least it could have
boeD when VA. connected with 10 a. counsel; have
not known anything about immigration matters since
1870; always appeared 10 me that there should Dc
more economical administration OF affairs In the COM
mission: cxtrnyagancc exhibited when VIA ther
counsel larger number of persons were employed than
Necessary.
Mr. Vaccine, then read o portion OF Mr. Nolan,s evil
J.pcc which stated that Nolan conferred with Gen.
Jones as what proper to he done 10 secure the
pa,s,ge o. the bill ISL and Gen Jones, in giving in
,t,ucons what course to pursue added that other at
torueys such ls Deyn. Miller and Trull had been en-
gagged in similar work at Albany previously.
In answer to the question whether or not Mt Ncaas
statement was correct, Jones replied thai IL was
not ,hat he had conversation WITH Nolaa ABOUT tlc
matter until the year 1872; Cen JcneS added: nave
meyer seen any thing In Mr. Noans habits 10 lead me %
believe that ho was in possession OF large sum OF
money: lie supports mother and sister in London;
lent him 81 900 about months ago, which he has not
,,,urncd 1 have always found him honorable in his
money transac,ors never interered with his private
affairs.
Charles Rabaan the bookkeeper for tmorge Mackenzie.
agent for the French Tausatlantc Company presented
"A ST.
ssai3 ~ This sum given in three payments. ex-
tendirr from January to October 1s72. The witness
said tb, was voluntary subscription the part of the
steamship company, and represented - cents head for
each immigrant that came on their vessels
NO SATISFACTION FROM MIR. NOLAN.
Michael Nolan then took the witness chair. He re-
marked that h. would like to make AN explanation He
h .,titl. that he received money from the French
line but the fact of it is said he tossing his head aud
laughing it was such insignificant sam is escaped
nv memory And now, added DIR. Nolan. have come
to the conclusion not 70 accept the Commtces propo-
sn and not TO show them my cheeks nor say to whom
have paid them. very sorry that sense OF dnty
should make necessary for rue to act contrary I" tn"
wishes Of Committee, but srnse OF honor Will not
permit to do otherwise than preserve my cohdehtai
relations Of private matters"
Nr Ayord Nid to him in a most emphatic manner
This Committee. Sir is determine to Ind out to whom
You paid the money. and AL about yo''r uas, Vs.
this task You feed Inclined % do SO You can 5nsc US
nmense amount Of labor anu ronpe II yon a "i rel m
the ~hoe matter. aud we are sai..lt.i 40 you a't
snail make our zeaosy to guard them from
the public kno airdgr. But you compel US ID skc me
other horn Of the diemma, and hnd out by Immense
publish the whole affair with all the details 81, ,,.,,
cine With me and not one preference have not the
heart make public private dealings WIN my Iri'us
sense OF honor alone -, ,..,,
Young man" thundered Mr.. Av0rd greatly irrttated
by the eso refusal Of the witness. there IL no Prn@pe
about 10 whatever. We to protect yVar private
teresls and dealings with private individuals II YOU give
us your confidence and your friends by showing
that your transactions with your friends were proper
hit will this thing so'far ~ Relates 10 puDhc
men in high low positions, whether In the Board vi
Emigration, the Legislature, or any other place
Mr. Nolan still adhered 10 his determination not 10
present his checks accounts and WAS about To leave
The room when Mr. AIvord called him back aud said that
he would like ask few qut stions In reply 10
Nolan said that he might have stated In his
ppryinns testimony that he believed he had IA
ton with Gen Jenes the subject OF getting the head
money bill pnssed IN the year 1870 or ls7i bui ne iet
convinced that he had no conversation Win Ten
Jones' before the law passed.
The members OF the Committee Then went INTO sSecu
Nv pursue order ~ obtain tho desired Information
They remained in session about - minutes ana tnen