New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-03-16


In the question, In the presence Of waIous' Yes sr
will say, not empha:icaly you have expressed IT,
Q, Not 50 eppkatie' A. No, Sir; Distinctly not
q Didn't they both in the OF Warous'
A. That won't say emphsucaly; 1t made no npreR
sion my mind therefore know not 30 emphatic
as you
O. Obi ven mean the tore Of voisef A. Yes Sir; mean
the and tone OF voice.
@ don't the Of voice the manner mean the
language A. Ny impression as have sad 10 YOU that Mr.
Noultou disayowed-
@ don't ask for that we hsd that repeatedly; don't
ak for that Which Wsous 10 that? A. My recollection lie
ndstnct in regard lie there portion Of the
tune.
O Obi he was the man; there, Sir understand
hat Do you remember his first namei A. Charles
Mr. Eyarts-lt was not Bulerf
Mr. Beach-Butler is mistake.
The Wituess-BUtler there, too; didn't know It,
though, at the time; be was sitting OF in the corner
WHAT WAS NOT SAID AT THE INTERVIEW.
@ Now, at that occasion at the Union League
Club did not Mr. Ton expressly decline to have eonec
hon with such newspaper eIerprsc' A. don't think the
conversation
@ Just answer that question: A. have no recollection
Of it.
O. VIII Won swear that he did not, A. No Sir; won't
O. Did rot Mr. Tson say he would have connection
with any paper with which Mr. Beechcr assocaed' A.
don't think he said that at least don't ecoect that he said
that The conversation not Of that character
Q. Is your recollection accurate that you wouldoe
willing to swear that he did not' A. No. Sir
O. Now In the conversation that yon had prvasc
" with Mr. Tton sn he tell you he could not be
neced with any spsper with which Mr. Beecher was 1850
eiatedf A. don't think he ever raid
O. Now didn't he tell you that in the presence OF Franklin
Woodruff A. No Sir
O. You to that positively A. Yes, Sir VIII swear
10 that positively.
O. And renectncly swear positively: A. Yes Sir.
G That he did tell you that in substance in the presence
OF Franklin Woodruff A. l will, Sir. At my house, you
meant That is the only interview we ever had
@ Yes' A. say positively no.
O. Now did not Mr. Tlton that interview at your house.
In the presence OF Franklin Woodruff in words or ia substance
saw to YOU that he could not accept any aid from Mr. Becker
A. No, Sir.
O. That you swear to positively, A. do swear to it posi-
lively.
O. And in no part Of conversation did be say that 70 your
A. No, Sir.
O. Wei or did he put In TIE FORM either in words or
in substance that he could not put himself under any obsa
ton to Mr. Beocher A. lie did not put it in that fon ex
actly might be construed into that form, for when
asked him hc question whether Nj Beecher would take IN In
tercs in the PAPER he sad: lie will ask him. "And VIII
be write for the paper ~ "ne will III will permit him. lhose
were The words used and you might infer that he didn't
want to he connected with Mr Deecbe To that extent he Gid
soy So aud " that extent only
O. Didn't he in addition what you have just tcld-ddnt
he say that he could lie put under any obligation OF put
himself under any obligations A. No sir, think not
O. Or in words substance THAR A The only language
used in connection hr Dcechcr in that interview what
have stated: remember it very distinctly.
O. Now who was present the conversation which say
you had with Capentcri A Mr. William Orion and Henry
Clews.
@ That was the Union League Club was It mott A. Yes,
Sir
O. Do you know whether that was meeting by appointment
ho.Vs Mr. md a.
stood Mr.
O. Well ask you II you know' A. understand that there
vas an agreement all around they had been ali invited and
that they all came.
O. Was you invitedt A. was, Sir.
O. Who invited you to GOMEZ A. Nr. Carpenter
O. Are you quite sure Mr.. Carpenter A am
positive
O. When was that meeting, A. 1t between the GOTH
think the Goth OF Jauaythc 10th Of December and the first
OF January 1872.
O. Yes A. think the oitA 25th 26h; somewhere along
there that is my impression.
O. Il, was the 2sth SIR Wen, have not got the exact
o. Yes very near it' A. remember the discus
sion-some subjects that came up
@ Well never mind We have got How long after that
was j: before yo- saw Mr. 1iton' A. think fes days;
cannot coy how long.
O. md where it that yOu saw hrn' A. IN ny ct0ce.
O. Ard that when YOU conferred with him about he
subject that yea Capcaer upon few nights before
A. Yes Sir
O. Was any one rrcsent that utervicv The sr bali
hour pen; alone; afterwards Mr. Bailey WIS called in
O. Well that waa 70 decide the question: A. YOs Sir.
@ Now will ven please and relate as near az you
can all that ead between yoIr=eh and III Thton at ha;
tsae A. III Ti!on opened the conversation By saying los
CHARGED pie in public with being blackaler and SAID TO
him in reply says sof" He says, Frank Carpenter
says Under what ci Cgmstancestd he tell You the cir
cunsanoosi" Says he, suppose he has" thea drew out
himI Cont recoIec what he sad in reply lie sassed
O. Oh don't want that, want yoa 10 state al that yos
can rccoect Of that aon a lie stated 10 enough
OF the conversation to sa'i''y me Tia. he kiew-
O. I want know hat he stated to you. A. Well he said
Carpenter lad tod him that had had meeting
the Union Lesggc Club and mentioned The names OF gen
teen present and in which they had up project for
starting newspaper and in the Of that generation
had CHARGED him with being backmaer and lie wanted to
know thought that just towards him. and then told
hin that if he would my side Of the question that would
then submit MIN whether right wrong and we
discussed the question
@ Nd no; wait one moment State Whist was sad' A. We
reviewed the whole subject.
O. Wait one don't want any answer Of that kind
specific question that put to you, asking you to relate
the conversation A. Think will you again what
stated to Mr. Carpenter and stated the things
O. Wait don't wish any general declarations
Of hatknd A. Well Sir repeat your question: will try and
answer it,
O. have asked you Sir to relate You reool
lec the conversation between you and MI Tlton on that
occason' A. told him iA.t Frank Carpenter had called
three gentlemen together to take into consideration the estab
shnent Of this that be had that the
friends Of Mr. BceCAcr and Nj ton had agreed upon that
Mr. Becker be the editor n-chef, that Mr. Tlton
to 20 abroad the Of paper
certain papers which held in by
Mr. Moultn which nnGer those circumstances could be de-
sroyed and this whole matter could be setled and said
under those circumstances felt justified in saying what did,
no thsts nd
euseed u.
O Ma Siate A fsr Won can. Mha eaidf A We'll.