The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-01-16


Mr.. Fullsrton-You viii take 1t In any way.
Mr. Evarts-Then we win except
MI. Pullerton-That is your way. We don't want
to puy the cart before the horse:
Mr.. Evarts-You may put the cart BUS never
bring the horse. (Laughter.)
Mr.. Fulert0n-fOu never want the cart or horse.
Judge Nelson said this was cheap wit and the
audience need not laugh at II.
he Communicated to Mr.. Beecher. don't want
70 prove anything that was said 20 him that ne
Judge Nelson's think It Just as wen to ask him
to this cor versstion with Mr.. Woodrun. '-S'
Mr.. Fullerton--I think the whole matter is en-
orace0 IN the questlon-State what wa: said to
you, which you afterwards communicated to Mr..
Judge Neiison-You haa better take the course
Mr.. Fuilerton-I cheerfully accept the sugges-
Q. What did you tel Mr.. Beecher had been
partner, Mr.. Woodruff, was very an xiOus that
should make some statement with regard to the
Victoria woodruff publication, inasmuch as many
Of his friends and many OF mine, or several OF MS
friends and several OF mine. had criticised my
sy not w oay mo ss ss; or
clsed the arm for my relation to the story; and 1
SAID to Mr. Beecner tnas MT; Wo0drah recon,
counsel In the matter. ana said 10 Mr.. Beecher
that had asked Mr.. Woodruff whom he could rec
ommend and he said he could recommend Mr.:
Tracy, and said to Mr. Beecher that thought
Mr. Tracy was good man to consult on the sub
% On ooa s
and said, ~ will consult with General Tracy, bns
TO 40 so 1t will be necessary to tell MIN the truthi
said my partner wanted me to consult with Gen.
sral Tracy; and he said II ! thought It was best
win consult with General Tracy"
@ What else! A. SAID TO Mr.. Beecher after
to consult with General Tracy and that had
made an appointment with General Tracy and
that had seen General Tracy on the subject OF
the Victoria Woodruff story.
Z: was that IN company with your nnrtner
A. Yes, sir; told him what transpired at that
interview; I told him told Mr.. Tracy the truth in
was. that you had Deen guilty OF sexual inter.
course with Elizabeth r. Tnton, ana he said-ln
the presence OF my partner-if that was true 1t
must be all out; and l said that Mr. Tracy said.
although ne did not recommend lying, this Was
one OF the cases In which lying was justihable.
hOULToN BOUNCES TRACY.
Moulton's testimony as to Tracy advising him
tMoulton) to '1ie justnably,"ii Mr.. Beecher had
committed adultery with Mrs. Tllton, was received
by Tracy's lace with q pallor, and he glared at
Moulton. The latter testified very fast and pre-.
c1se scarcely correcting o word. Tlton also
turned around to look at Tracy. Mrs. Tilton's ears
were red and she looked nervous.
Mr.. Moulton continued, relating the story OF hts
extortlng from Mr.. Tracy promise not to appear
as Beecher's counsel, as he had been arDiter and
had shared the confidence OF Moulton. Mr.. Tracy
smiled savaRely and made no reply. Moulton had
his hand under his head and looked cool and bel.
igerent The revelations al this time were highly
interesting and novel, and the audience responded
BY laughter and buzz to the sallies OF the counsel
witness went on to say-I said, too, that Mr..
woodruff my partner, said he would not allow me
to publish caro- DENYING the truth, and Mr.. Tracy
rope for a couple OF yearss" also told Mr. Beecner
that we had had conversation at my house be-
to ran v sef and thai bas to
Mr.. Tracy the truth Of the case and that had laid
before Mr.. Tracy the letter Of conrriton and thas
had told him the truth with relation 10 the whole
matter and that, In addition to that interview, we
hal tried to devise reply to Victoria Woodhull's
and told MIN that l had communicated the fact
to Mr.. Tilton that mad told General Tracy The
facts In the case, and Theodore Triton had de.
rOunced me for 30 doing and had said to me had
no business to
REVEAL THE GUILT OF ELIZABETH
pacihed Mr.. Tlton by telling him that considered
II my duty to take the best advice could on the
not consut o General Tracy as Me-
Trend particularly but as friend OF all the par
ties as a man capable OF advising with reference
after while Theodore was willing to see General
Tracy, and that he went up STAIRS and there saw
run and myself, and i told him the nrst
sentence Tnton uttered, after the usual saluta-
Mons se vas ay DO
'tut, as understand, the facts are to be laid be.
lore you; how very much has been and may be laid
before you by the papers, ! understand you Will
not, under any circumstances IN which Mr.. Beech
er and myself may come into collision, act as his
counsel" and that Mr.. Tracy had SAID Certainly
nUt.n
Q. What reply did Mr.. Beecher make to thsf
A. MT. Beecher said TO me that he was GLAD that
theodore had. consented to have conference,
that he hoped some good would come out Of It. bus
mat tn ne did no. himself see what other reply could
pest policy for all concerned.
,,0 =; Is tnas al that TOOK place with reference to
INA, tnat 1dnncn o. she case A. told Mr. Beecher
presence OF Mr.. Woodruff and myself, at that in.
terview. that the interests OF all concerned de-
remember OF tnat woodruff story; at u subse.
quent time. when myself, MIR. Beecher ana Mr..
made. Mr.. Beecher put his arm over my shoulder
and said to Mr.. Robinson, "This Is the best friend
man ever had; only Tor hun l do not think I
would be
Mr.. Beecher knew that Mr.. Woodruff had been
put IN possession OF those secrets; | told Mr..
Der exactly when ! told him; Mr.. Beecher was
anxious 20 know wnat was going on, and told
him they were anxious to know about it-that Mr..
Robinson had kindly ADVISED that Tlton should
carry his own case entirely out Of tnat letter.
O. What did you tell Beecher you told Robinsonf
A. Tne TACT OF the relations between Elizabeth
TitOn and himself?
O. And what did you tell him you told Woodruff
A. The same.
Q. Look at the letter now shown you and say IN
whose hand wrtipg 1t IS? A. In Mr.. Beecner's: IL
was received by me ABOUT the time 1t bears date.
q AT any Time up TO Its receipt had Mr. Beecher
said anything to you that you had failed to save
HIM properly A. No sir.
q. Had he criticised your conduct in any way
for your management OF the affair 7 A. NO, Sir.
The letter Is dated July l. 1873 tits from Mr..
Beecher to Mr.. Moulton, ana closes with the re-
marx, 81 need some one to talk to, ana that IS
you'll. w. b."
Counsel read another letter from Mr.. BeeCher to
M. Moulton, beginning with the words. 81 have
not seen you since the card" 'That,n SAID the
Witness "was the card IN the Brooklyn EdgLe in
June, 1873. That card was prepared by Theodore
Tilton, 1t came into my possession from Theodore
Ti!t0n. showed 1t TO Mr. Beecner. That was the
card the publication OF winch Mr.. Beecher said
would
KILL HIM.
The Introduction Of the names OF Tracy, Wood.
ruff and Rob nsOn as possible witnesses in this