New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-03-12
THE CONVERSATIONS AGAIN REPEATED.

think stood there when that conversation first began and
then took seat
THE CONVERSATIONS AGAIN REPEATED.
O. Now, relate that conversation all the CONVEX
saton all the conversation that occurred between you there
while you occupied that position, so far Is you are able A.
could not do that.
O. Can't do it as far as you able, A. Oh can do 1t as
far a. | am able, but then can't tell
O. don't want you decsim. but answer my question! A
will, Sir
O. Very well proceed A. 1 remember handing her the
book.
Q. What book y A. The History Of Lowell.
@. Welt A. And she said that she was very much
Interested In Lowell, and she expected TO go there to
lecture-she would like to come there and lecture;
and she sad that she had seen, few days before
that paragraph in the newspaper relation to the regulations
the mills OF Lowell in relation to the factory girls and she
wondered that girls Of spirit would submit to such regu
required them bo their house given hour and
depryng the control OF their outside
Of the mills; remember that was the way 1t began.
@ Well want you to tell me how progressed and ended'
A. Well can only give you fragments Of it.
q Very well If that the best get will take that
A. Well that the best give; remember nquiring In
that Of Mr. Ton whether he had ever ectured In
Lowell and he answered that he had not according to my re
collection OF it, and therc-about that tmeI made some re-
mark about Mr. Tilton which led MRS. don't remember
what it was; the exact language-but 1t led Mrs.
@ No; the substance OF it, A. Well can't give you that
either but all remember about it, h that it some remark
which made that led Mrs Woodruff to correct the msappe
henson the remark led her to infer that Mr. Tton had
been clergyman had been under the impression up to
that time
Mr. Beach-Never mind
The Wness-continuing Mr. Tnton had been q
clergyman
O. Never mind when ask you not to state fact, don't
persist Go A. Then the next after that that recall
my remark that those regulations really were very useful
that they had been devised when the factory system
first started in walham, and had been transferred
from Waltham to Lowell and from Lowell to Law.
renee and most OF tho other places except Fall
River and that the result that the standard OF morality
was generally considered higher in those cities where this
TEN OF factory police existed than in Fall River where there
was such system and thereupon she said SWELL" says
She "this Is all part Of the same system OF treating
women as infero5-s inferior to men" and remarked
that morality the moraty-the virtue Of the mass
OF the people depended more upon exemption from
temptation than upon any innate virtue OF their own,
and that regulations did protect hem protected their
morality inasmuch it exempted them in great measure
from she said that really the only true
was to treat and just alike toilet them learn habits
OF dependence and take care of themselves
they would tumble sometimes would men, but they would
learn by experience take OF themselves and Mr. Iton
Joined in that and made the remark-
O. No. what did he say, A. He said-tha Is all he said,
at IA all part- Is all part Of the system; women are
| treated as interiors"
O. Was that all the conversation regard to LOVELY A
don't recoect at this any Of it, think that
Gen Butler mentioned in that conversational resident OF
Ioweland his Identification with the corporations OF Lowell
Well anything you recoect in regard to the con-
yersston concerning Lowell its factories or regulations
please state don't recouec ~ THIS moment except
| know there was more
O. Yes but you don't rccollec IT, A. don't recollect IT,
O. And you given all that recolec in regard to 1t
upon this crossexamnaon. A think have don't know
| that may have omitted
O. Do you recoec remark being made by Mr. Tlton IN
the course Of that conversation that those regulations
ought to be equally applied boys to female children
| No / do not.
@. Whatf A. do not
20 You say remark made by Mrs Woodruff that the
male children the treatment the female
children A. She wasn't speaking Of children, but Of adults
| these regulations applied to adults.
O. You say didn't make the remark in connection with
those factory reguaons A. Yes but the remark had rla
ton to adult operatives but not children.
O. The regulations had A. The regulations had
O. WELL the remark made that those regulations
ought to applied equally males and females that dis
nction should be made A. don't remember that it
| stll-so many things have
O. Didn't you state moment ago. that Mrs Woodruff ad
vanced that opinon' A. No; that the regulations should
| apply.
O. You didn't A. Not that the regulations should apply
but that males should all be treated ake there
should be one uniform rule: they should DO all taught habits
| Of
O. Wasn't that while you discussing these regulations
A. 1t was In connection with the regulations.
Mr. Beach-Yes; very well; that Is all upon thi, subject
| can proceed II you wish.
The Court here took until quarter past two o'clock