New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-07-03
FRANK SPEECH FROM .Jt'RYMAY THYER.

all | can say at present.
FRANK SPEECH FROM URYMAN TFiER.
MAN WHO NEVER CHANGED MS MiND-His LOW
OPINION or THE ruNrlFF-rLroN's GAIN N
VOTES MADE on \ sIDr ISSUE.
TRIBUNE reporter called upon Henry Thyer. the
fourth Juror last evening, and found him somewhat
more communicative than in the afternoon at which
time he was both mysterious and reserved, under the
impression that the charge of the Judge relative to
non-communcation was still binding. lie had,
however been undecciycd, and said in the evening
that he was ready to answer any reasonable que5-
iions.
Rcporter-How did the jury stand on the first
ballot!
Thycr-That is not fair question, as that wonld
bctray the secrets of the juIy-room.
Rcportcr-But yon can give some idea Of tho vote :
Thyer-No. no: il 4 secret ballot
RrDoricr-Did Triton get the majority on the first
ballot,
Thycr-Oh, no. Brcchcr got exactly double what
Tilton got.
Rcportcr-Th,n eight for Becchcr aud four for
Triton WAS right.
Thycr l,urpri.cl Yes; that's right. \. you know
that have no objection TO ,ell you that it ID right
no tpld you
R.poricr | heard it. How did the debate go Oh
after tie hrsi ballot
Th,cr-I do not care to tell what other persons
said Lut don't mind saying what my argument
WAS. and lneyer chang .d once daring the whole time.
Eep1l;cr-Nhdr wa, yonr line of argument!
Th,cr-I contendcd tina. Il man who had found
that his wifi had committed adultery had aferwarJ
consented 10 1--we with her for four years and hcL
for III, own purpose chose to expose his wife, was 40
better than worthless, and stuck 10 it The Whole
zine.
Ecportcf-What did the advocates of Mr.. Tilton
-, 10 that
Inyei-Ihcy said that that had nothing 10 10 with
ihc case; dat the plantilf had three Witnesses 50
H." defendants one, and that three persons could
hardly be able to coucoct the same series Of lies.
held, and still hold different opinion on TIA. score.
Rep rter-Were there any changes i'll the ballot At
any time
Thyer-Oh. yea. ~ one time it was seven for
Beecher and i've for / ton; then ii was six to siA.
Most of the time it nine to three and twice ii
was eleven 10 one.
Rcporter-Who WAS The first to come over to the
lnajority!
Thycr-G don't know. The balloting was secret.
| can't even guess.
Rcportcr-What made Bcecher men go over to
Tilton'
Thyer-Mcrcly for n purpose that is to induce
the minority to to an agreement in the end 1t
was OF a side issue that 1iton gained.
Rcpoiter-You said that at one time the ballot
stood / to /. Who was the person that was in the
minority!
Thycr-I do not know, as il was done by ballot
Reportcr-Nhe hen was this ballot taken?
Thyer-Souc time OH Wednesday, think. 1t was
after the eyid nee had been sent mp.
Responsibilities there any discussions as to who
shonld be- foreman of the jury.
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the first drawn ont Of the original panel. ought to
have been the foreman; and do not and did not
think that Carpenter was fit for the place. In my
opinion he has shown that he was not fit, for he
never told the Judge how the jury stood ] got up
and told the Judge that the jury not 1 to / in
the hope that The Judge would have asked me how
We actually stood. Bat he didn't ] had the last
word at any rate. All the rest in favor Of Car
penter, az I had TO he finally.
Reporter-Dd you observe any signaling between
the jury and those outside'
Thyer-There was none that | saw. and don't
think there was any. The jury could not detect
friends in the crowd Ny wife and children went
by the Court-house, they tell me, and stood for
some time on the grass looking toward the jury
room and while was looking out of the window,
yet didn't set them. don't think there were any
signals.
Rrportor-Was Mr. Jeffrey made the clerk
Thyer-l-s. lie the cause Of much of the
trouble II il had not been for him, should have
agreed on Wednesday.
Reporter-lIc voted then against Beecheri
Thyor-Always. Al least believe W.