New-York tribune., 1875-07-24
TIE TESTIMONY.
z. ". ]. Hurst. agent Of the National ocean

nne a. steamships. testified substantially as ioiloWs
lam member of the North Transatlantic conference:
dvn feel at liberty TO tell what we are Ill Tue manu- Vi
doing at our meetings. had O conference with the
of Emigration In the year 1871 in regard
10 o reduction OF the head money on imnSrahS' WINS
generally agreed that the rate OF headinoney was 100
high; there no promise made ny the s'oainSnP
.cnts that in case the Commissioners should favor the
reduction the former would reduce the passage money
something said the subject, but the steamship
compani,s refused 10 bind themselves TO make any such
decrease.
lido NOT know Patrick Jones hy sight, and was not
aware that the year 1871 he was counHei Tor the h
grafton Commissioners know Michael Nolan by naIne
hut have never been Introduced 70 him; nave fiiu MIN
some money; male the payment for his services ~
counsel for the steamship companies IT was for his scr
vices in getting the head money on Immigrants einco
don't know who appointed him TO do the Work o NM"
eDcne legislation aud do not think he was appointed ny
the general vote OF the Conference; bad conversation
with Mr. Dale tbnk. i'll the first place abont Mr. Nolan
sneaker M,Gure then, in reference 10 the remark OF
te witness that he kne nothing OF Nolan when his hrn
vas having him money! asked hun whether ne gentle
man of intelligence and business habits, he would ne apt
70 take a perfect stranger into his confidence ana y"y
him gums OF N ,ney when he simply ASK d Tor IL
Mr. Hurst replied he thought that he would not 90
an ,s rule hut WAS satisfied that Nolan was the proper
man TO pay He continued his evidence as follows;
think saw Nolan 10 know him only on one occasion; VIZ
wss stand NJ front OF the cashiers desk ana one oi
the clerks pointed him ont 10 me as Nolan; we pald MN
IN chccks: they were drawn on Duncan, Sherman Co..
with whom we kept our bank account; suppose can
furnish yoi with those checks 1t is Impossible Tor me 10
say from my rocoleetions how much money pad NO
Ian; don't rccuect what directions gave to my CASH
fer 10 pay the money; don't remember when Nolan ie-
ee,ye his first yent how often he received money;
the understanding that he should receive for GER
tain len rh of time much head for each nihSr"h'
who shoud arrive in the vessels Of our line; the tie
think was year, and the amount per head was 10 or 70
cents forget which; don't reco'ect mat Nolan brought
any papers vf recommendation or Introduction; cant
recoect positively whether have ever seen nolan OF
not: our cashier that the mon was pad 10 the
pr,ner nerson: he attended 10 the whole matter; his
name s IIeber Ccny.rs.
At point Mr. Mcguire explained TO The witness tha'
the Committee had desire to pry into the affairs OF the
sresnshp companies but felt convinced that wholesale
system of backnailnc had been practced and " was
simplv The Committees desire 10 show up the whole
scheme and make it as odious possible He thought
that probably not a cent that bad been paid was ever
spcnt at Albany. Il understand" continued MI.
Mcure THAT the Steamship Conference passed reso'
luton Oh February 21, 1871. To employ persons To secure
the decrease OF neadmouey, aud 1t was not unul h'tr
tha, time that Nolan employed. Now Mr. Hurst.
who employed hint Tell us wat you know about his
being hired"
In reply numerous quesons the witness said th"t
he had forgotten all about the transaction hut Daiy had
dim recollection that after Nolan hsd been paid seV-
oral
10 paving him any Ny impression 49, said Mr..
Hurst that thought had been wing hin enough, but
my memory is vague was away III England part o' the
time during which the payments were lnade ana MI
Mackenzie attended the matter III NV absence;
know Bernard CasseTy; have oonvelsfd with MIN
about the reduction ofhcad money the first conTeisa-
fiop Oh that subject held with him at Albany IN the
wear 1896 he wanted the cOmmutaon fee raised from
So to So so was opposed 10 advances he succeeded
in getting the desired legislation; after ih3t iad several
conve. tions the subiect Mr. CaSscrly changed hs
onlon aferward and became convert 10 our views III
the wear 1871 be thought the Commissioners could do
with less hea.lmorey have been informed that Cas-
serly appeared ia 1878 the interest Of the steamship
companies st Albany impression Is that he helped
liz considerably in ls7i at Albany; know another Cas-
eerly but forget his first name; think IL Is Daniel ne
was employ and paid by the steamship companies IN
1874 III connection with the proposed increase OF head
mon.y; he drew up papers for u.s. ] think 1t was
Nh address to the Committee o Commerce and Ndyiga
ton; am not whether he went 70 Albany or not
but think met him there.
In that year committee was appointed by our '"hler
eaec go 20 Albany and oppose the increase OF head
money; the committee consisted OF Messrs Dale
S.hNab and m,sclf Daniel Casserly called ON us aud
proposed draw mp paper; don't know bo" much he
was paid altogether, think share was $500 or
$500; the other companies paid their proportion; do
not think that Daniel aud Bernard Casscry were
engaged In business together; Abram Wakonan accom-
paniea Albany and used his influence 10 d'ial me
advance of the Communication money he was the counsel
Of the steamship companies that ocoason, and was
maid for hs aiors; don't know how much ne received
probably 5000 or $1,000. the usual fee don't know
the aggregate sum paid Daniel Caseery the books OF
Our concern would not Show how much CasseIl Wake
man received; paid Nolan several checks eonid not
tel thcr total amount.
IN his hand extract from an article III III. ItiH' ~ q"
1874 lie called tine attention OF the Wiulcr- 10
IT, that day two prelousy The steamship
Once Oi the National Lane landed 100 Immigrants, VINO
were bound for NcwlOrk, at Boston, and sem tDrin on
this steamboat, IN order O the payment
OF the ncad-inuDey tn The COmn4SsuL"rs OF Eui-dtOH
TIE article stated that these nnCranfs being un
able claim the protection OF thc Castle Garden author
tiles had tie prey OF boarding mousse keepers
runners and others and were cOnpiciy ~ The mercy
Wne ed 10 look at HE hooks AMI ascertain whether
Tie Queen lad not stopped tb"Ie 0nd discharged the
nigrants Mr. Hurst SAID tl1at be thought II wHs
unnecessary the fact was piopably as stated The
win, continued hs testimony, az follows: From
Information which had received, was led 70 believe
thai Assistant DlsirctAttOrncy Nolan most power
ful man at Albany; WHY Malacn told me p;ig une
Afterward that very foolish 10 pay IN money
ss tie Commissioners all favored The reduction the
seans.:r e-innencs have had at ALBANY looking
ont Tor fn.ir This year; understand that
Berlsrd CLesery IL the we have paId nim, sup
pose our proportions our books Will show whether
have paid him or not.
AZ fie conclusion OF his testimony Mr. Hnrt
bring his books before Tie Committee on Mon
dsy 10 show what Of money were paid by uis
firm the purpose of influencing legisiAtlon and who
lad received them.
EVIDENCE OF LEONARD X. WILLS.
Leonard H. Wells the witness, AMI testified as
tolOws:
was Deputy Superintendent Of Wards Island from
1a57 10 1851 and supcrh, frvIn 1865 TO 1873