New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-14


paper.
O. Did You think the crfticisms Of your brother Dr.
Edward Beecher were well founded A. No, Sir; dld
not because the criticisms we're upon me.
O. Surprising you to responsible for the paperf A.
Yes Sir; thought still responsible for the paper
10 q degree.
O. Well did you approve Of the criticisms 30 far ~ tho
articles themselves were concerned irrespective Of any
question that imputed to yout A. Dfd =
O. Approve OF the articlesf A. OF the artielesf
O. Yea sirf A. No Sir; don't recall that ever did
O. Did you ever The Independent any Article I'M
puted TO Theodore Tlton which you thought 10 Dc n
sound in religious doctrnei A. do not recall now thas
had brought to my attention any aftiee 'nAs us
cussed doctrnal questions by him.
q. Did you read any Of his teachings that you
thought pernicous in their efectf A. dont now
recall anything except that which criticised on the
ground righteousness in the conduct Of the paper
or partial or an unfair statement OF truths which
Thought he could have stated conscentously better
O. To what extent complaints made Of his relhS
ous doctrines and teachingsi A. That not able to
say, Sir except
O. so far as they came to your knowledsei A. have
impression that with what are called the Vigorously
orthodox Of New England and with what were called She
orthodox OF the Northwest there was growing us
favor his teachings it my general impression.
q. Didn't they excite distrust In Mr. Tiiton az
religious teachert Did they not in the mind OF these
menf
Q. Generally far you informed OF the enect
Of his articles A Ny impression was that the more rg-
orous orthodox were steadily being against MIN, but
that their place taken by what would be called
the progressive wing of the Church
O. Well Judging from what you heard as TO the effects
OF his teachings upon the public Christian mind dd
you think that he safe Christian teacner n
would not have said that thought him to be safe pup
lie teacher of doctrna matters. but from the time thas
he assumed the chief management Of The independent
namely, from 1874 10 1876
Mr.. Evarts-1s84.
The witness-I beg your pardon-ls64 and 1868; dld
not think OF him the light Of docsrnal teacher;
thought of him in the light OF who applied ethical
matter TO practical things.
O. He was the editor Of Ihe independents he r0t'
A. He
O. And it was religious paperi A. Not in the sense
of radically religious paper
O. In any was &c religious paperf A YES Ell
think 1t was in some sense.
O. Was IL not regarded religious paperi A. YES
Sir: it passed in that class unquestionably.
O. Didn't it promugate the special doctrines OF class
Of Chrstiansl A. It did when it under the direction
Of Dr. Bacon, DR.. storrs, and Dr. Thompson
O Under the direction of Mr.. Titon A. don't thnS
it did.
O. Before that it did, you say A. Before 1t passed.
out OF the hands of those gentlemen it did
g. Had it fallen from grace in that respect II had
fallen from the grace Of dOctrnal teaching.
O. And assumed what characteri A. lt assumed lar
a
public ethics, and discussed living questions from the
standpoint OF Christian truth.
a. Then you never anything in The hdepende"s
as coming Theodore Tton. and never heard OK any
thing as understand you from any quarter in the way
of criticisms upon his teachings and sentiments, tha1
caused you to dstrust the soundness Of his religious
viewsi A. No. SIR you don't understand me right IL
| you understand me So
@. Then please set me right by what you have 70 say
upon that subject A. I said that regarded him ~
being in a transitional state, and holding imperfecs
views which would gradually be ripened and become
more perfect had hope Of him in his career how
ever much gt think that certain parts Of 1t were IN
| practical crude.
O. Did you think that he expressed his real sentiments
in the articles that appeared in The Independent! A.
| Undoubtedly.
O. Wien did you first hear OF his wife complaining ot
him in respect to his religious doctrines A. eannos
give you any further special date sir think ~ early az
it may carly ISDj or 1906 along there
somewhere
O. When was il she consulted you as to whether it wa
safe for her to bring up children under such influences
az he exerted I'm respect TO religious doctrfnef n
could recocct any than to say was between
| term OF years.
O. Locate it a. near as you can A. I should say be-
| tween 1865 and 800.
O. Did you then learn specifically what his views werei
A. had learned from him during that time more or less
" the unsettlement OF his faith the Divinity OF Christ
learned also from him that he was inclined to what
might be called unbelef in the inspiration Of the
Scriptures but what called loose doctrine Of insprs-
| ton.
@ Well ia not loose doctrine unbellcf in your Juds-
mcnti A. II depends upon how loose Il Ia.
O. Well as loOs. Theodore TltOns wasl A. That 10
too remote Sir, and the question Itself T. 30 precise
O. As loose as you learned it lie from him from his
wifeI A. regarded his doctrine Of the Divinity Ot
Christ rs worse than loose | thought that 10 10
heretical.
O. And you learned that as early as what yeari A.
| cannot say, SIR.
O. Prior to IsGo understand youi A. Prior TO 1902
I think but will not ice very positive.
O. Well that being his belief upon that subject, do OIL
think that he was a ut TO be at the head Of a re-
| ugious newspiperl A. think that II be at tho
head OF a theological magazine Le would be the last man
that was Ill for H. but the head Of paper that ddnt
undertake 10 expound theology only the application
| Of Christian ethics. didn't soe anything IN that
| Q. You thought 1t well enoushi Il NO. SIR not
! well enough
| O. Il might he hct.eri A. But II vas tolerabie
O. Well IL was tolerabe: that is all; II could be en-.
duredi A. II thing to be endured
O. Did you think it would be- better 10 have some
sounder man at the head Of that paper A. do noJ
| know that 1t occurred to me-
| O. You read The Independent did you noti A. Not
much after LEFT IL.
| O. Didn't its views accord with your owni A. Yes,
Sir suppose they did, I might have picked out u II
vast amount that did, but didn't read Il.
DISSATISFACTION WITH Mr.. TILTON IN THE
NORTHWEST
| Q. Now, Mr.. Beecher, in that connection |
desire u call your attention something that ha- been
said heretofore look at that passage marked in
red and state whether refreshes your recollection
/ To the
Mr. Evarts-What page is II.
Mr.. Fullerton lshowng book to Mr.. Evarts. Tho