The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-01-28


Moulon stepped down but not out.
Mr. Tracy 10 witnessl-Now. sir, did | ever ash
you IN the word, Mr. Mouiton. 10 Withhold IRON
your statement or any statement OF yours 10 IN
committee. any paper that Henry Ward Beechel
had ever written To you on TINS suoJecty A. Yes
q. Was not my request or suggestion TO you Oh
that subject confined entirely 10 private Papers o.
OF er people not written by him! A. NO.
q. You said in answer TO counsel yesterday. Mr.
Moulton. That you were not IN sympathy with Mrs
woodnull's sentiments abont the marriage rela
tion DO you mean that you did not agree on thai
subjects A. don't think | agree with her Oh
that subject
q. Viii you state to US what your views are A.
Yes
q. On the subject OF the marriage relation :. A.
] believe In fidelity TO your wife, and your vile
fidelity 10 you; II YOU are not faithful 10 your vile,
then t1nk you DO wrong and think you ought 10
oe punished Tor 1t severely; II Jour wIe IS not
faithful TO YOU she ought TO lie punished severely
that Is as near as can get az II.
q. what Is your Deiief a the subject OF divorce
A. ON the subject uI divorce
q. Yes. A. have not arrived at a conclusion
on that SUBJECT the laws are SO various In the dii-
ierent states and 30 much Is to be said on that
subject. t.augnter)
A. | think have read the Golden Age on that sub
Ject
q. Have you talked with Mr.. Titon on the SUBJ
ject OF divorce A. Yes.
O. DO you agree Ia sentiment on that subject
A. don't exactly know what his sentiments are
l have not arrived at conclusion IN that regard
as yet.
sued iurtner but nothing was aforued oy tue
witness to show that either Mr.. luton or himself
were OF the Tree love scnO0l, the Judge ruling all
the time that tie matter was not p. oper In re-
cross EXAMINATION.
TRACY BADLY HIT.
Mr.. Tracy TO witness)-Have you ever talked
with gentlemen the subject oi Tree love or the
marriage relation or social freedom A. talked
WIN you Mr.. Tracy, ABOUT 1t, l beneve. SIT.
(Laughter.)
q. Did YOU ever talk to Mr.. Armour or stephen
X. Lane on the subject. IN whica you expi essed
your belief IN the doctrine OF Tree love, as PUBLICLY
understood
judge Neilson-hulcd out for the same reason.
Mr.. Evarts-He has stated his Views.
The Judgc-He mas stated That he did not SYM
patnlZe VITA Mrs. WoOdhuls view.
Mr.. Evarts-We OTTER to inquire or him concern
ing what his sentiments are on the subject Of Tree
love.
judge Nelson Ruled out.
q. lou nave stated on your redirect examine
ton. Mr.. Moulton, something about the number or
people who conversed with you Oh the suoecG OF
the Woodnull scan1ai ano the publication. and
YOU say there were fifteen or twenty day. For
how many days 40 you think thar continued A.
don't know; should think, perhaps. fortnight,
or may be 50.
REDIRECT BY MR.. FULLERTON
Q. Your attention mas been called to cereai n
conversations between yourself and Mr.. Tracy,
With regard TO tnis matter. You have been asked
whether you Old not say certain things. Now,
occasionsy
Mr.. Tracy-I nave inquired Of no interview that
they Ola not go into.
Mr.. Fullerton-It Is strictly within Your Hon ors
u
course, we are TO presume that they are laying
the foundation for an attempted contradiction |;
things, we have right TO prove that he SAID GER.
tain other things.
=. WAT vas said upon these occasional
The Jud9e-On the occasion spoken OF by Mr.
Tracy
Mr. Tracy-1Eey have examined about that.
They went into the matter OF the FIFTH Avenue
Hotel iuliy and ne SAID he withheld THESE paper 8
at my request. Now, asked INN simply II the
only papers asked him to withhold or requested
a
which I.nained. That is the only Inquiry.
TIE Judge-iO that he said mo"
Mr. Tracy-I0 that he sad mo-"
Mr.. Fuerton-l wish W know the balance OF the
CONVERSATION.
time aud know what we are ASKING.
Mr. Fuert0n-YOu are asking about nothing.
am talking aud Will get at 1t in my own way.
Mr.. Tracy-I made no remark to the counsel TO
cali forth an answer from ntm.
Judge Nellson-lt IL an inquiry ~ to what oc-
CURED at the hotel
Mr. Tracy-Your Honor will note our exception
to the admission OF that interview.
witness (continu!ng)-I said to General Butler
at that interview I'll nave brought Mr. Tracy 10
you to determine with regard to this statemen t.
MI. Tracy says he does NOT want me 10 make this
statement wani 10 do eXactiy what ID honora-
bic In the premises. and wish thar you and Mr..
versation about II, and MIR. Tracy said to General
Butler, IN my presence, that ne thought that the
TO be produced in my statement; that Is the SUD-
stance VI tue conversation, as | remember IT, at
l
General Butler, and ne said that Mr. lracy's ioea
Mr.. Fuiierton-You need not state what General
Butler said then, but go on to the osner occasion
reierred 10.
Mr. Tracy-what was that9
Mir. Bcach--On that occasion, at Mr.. MOulton's
house, mir. Tracy inquired OF MIN whether II was
on that OCCASION tEat the form VI the statement
washnally agreed upon. 81,
question stands Ia this way Witness had testi-
ned on his direct examination tnat 1t was deter
Hon. nj NJ y.u inst
tnat his statement snoud be withheld On his
CROSSE examination he has testified that was ue-
termined al the consultation at his own house, at
wnicn was not present, the ensuing DAY. Tneh
asked hln the question whether he has any knowl.
edge lhat knew PRIOR to his appearance at Mr..
Storrs' house before the committee On that da =
what his statement was to be, and he says he has
no such recollection.
Mr.. MoultOn-I didn't Know what the dnel de.
termination was to be AT ,hat time.
Mr. Beach-lhe Witness has corrected that mis-
statement OF facts. 1ne point is just this, II Your
Honor p.ease:-Mr. Tracy has extracted from this
witness the ausw er that NJ. Sracy dad not know
The statement OF Mouitol un;il after the time lie
appeared before the committee. believe that
that was mistaken answer on the part OF the
witness, and Tor the purpose OF refreshing his
answer, we. III our redirec EXAMINATION, call his
attention to the interview between him and Tracy,
In which Tracy was informed or the very TACT
which on cr0ss-examinatlon OF the witness his
mistaken answer was 2iven That lie did not know.
Judge NelisSnMie may correct himself sir.
TO TIE question, put IL after hts appearance before
tue committee. Your Honor viii note my excep-
tlon.
witness Il saw Mr.. Tracy In the back parlor, sir,
before | made report 10 the committee, and l
told HIM tnat had IN my statement only pre-
sented the documents quoted by Theodore Tilton
In MS statement.
q. WHAT reply did lie make to thatf
Mr. lracy-I object 10 it, Your Honor.
The Judge--rhat cover the question, sir,
Mr. Fnllertou-ils reply might Indicate that he
understood he knew. / believe that IS all.
Mr rracy-Tnat was In the committee ioom Mr..
M0ulton A. Yes sur
The words given by witness as TO what occurred
between Tracy and " 90 lrulf we're ordered py the
Court to be stricken out, and this closed the ex.
animation OF Moulton.
Frank Moulton wiped his forehead, drew long
breath and stepped OUT oil the witness chair, In
which he has been seated altogether forty hours,
or four hours q day Tor ten days and twenty ses-
stons OF the Court. He was not at all worn out
except with private feelings since his mothers
death. lie Will probably appear anu reappear In
the course OF the testimony.
MRS. BRADSHAW on THE STAND.
The third witness was called yes,erday-the nrst
yip Anon lf,y