, 1875-01-20
Els Experience as Related by
Himself.
What Sam Ward Knows OF the Bust"
ness Of Lobbying.
The Influence Of Good Dinners.

hered to eDiiven tho pfoceeu,nes " 'Ho ootA
mitteo. 1ItB Testimony IL a. tolto"as
I}y Mr. Kssson-I suppose you ycro summoned
in conau1uouco Of your name having been hsAo.
riated ID connection with tAe dss!rlbns1on OF
money for tho Peeiac Alall eaosiayf 1902, - IT,.
Dos osTP5hereforo tho Committee dcRircs you to
state how much money you received in cosilcc-
ton with the Pacific halt sllDai,ayt .,ra nwt rnm rs
thc House that Mr.. Derret called at my ruuns
ma afternoon md said that llo Ind bcen re-
t,uestcd to 200 II woatd accept resa'tes 70
i io said $500, anil s501o contingent on SUCCESS.
I said, "Ail right" Ilo acnt to mo That alter.
noon or next morning check for @5go e,gned
Iy gentleman i had never seen, Mr. Il: u. IT,
ed. l was egrceatly waited on by Mr.. Berret,
who said to mo: "TIuy have ont nB down $3.uoo
and there Ia $7,00o pald; shall wo ius'nt OIL
more7" / eaid: No. lot lie tako whit re re- eau
Bills and wont to Now York that ratne night
Q.-l suppnsa 1t IL unnecessary TO ask you IL
you retained all TINT Hum nnd applied 1t to your
own use?
eral compensation for tho 1nodcrnte anlouht OF
work which that subsily seoucd to teluiro
WHAT HAM DID ruH Ills MoSEi.
Q.--State tho nature Of the SERVICES fchuefca
h.--simrly stating, on all occasions where It
was t,rouer to do no. thht wns III favor of tie
measure that thought It was good menFnr"' tu,?
had right to say tiat because AZ oii o.a I'LL
had a sort of friendship for them. thought
we'll Of tho llue, thought That 1t was natto1'-
\, Undertaking that cur H!hp~halidlng was Boik
TO tie dogs aud that IT. t1so ;s s's %ero 10 po
iron shir-bnildng. l thought the snbaidy to tho
raciiio Mail Steamship Company was proper
thing. particularly III tho Euhard Steamship
Company had subsidy from tue EGgilah uoV-
1nI nf}n a
wsuted to sec the American ilag iylng again on
tbc eoas, aud would have helped tito Pacific
Hail Company without one penny OF comlousa-
tion. ..... ,- =,
pasaage of the subsidy A.-Cartainly. 1'hure
was not mucl, time to act only fortnight.
think. was rathor agrceahly SURPRISED at be-
ing retained, because that elinched my deter.
ntnatlon to DO what could for what regarded
~ great nRtional cntcrpriao. ..-...
tl.-Du you know ot any other sum OF money
being paid to any parties ior thcir sorYlces II
procuring that subRidy A. never hearu'
Abert's ilBt, Which Haw in tho Star, I never
knaw who was III tho combination. I did not
know tint ticro WAS any combination, except
hss fo 1 Eap1S EeopSS FSner1y gSn @ TefH a 'efF p5
know Mr.. Alert; lad neyar seen him to my
Euowlelgo. l never saw Mr., lrwiu till tho day
Tie vote was taken when I saw q ralo nun
standing around this corner. aud was told
that it was HIr. Irwin.
Q.-aly question wss, il you know Of any
other sun, Of money hning pala, directly or indI-
rccsly, in connection with tho HubsiIY? A.-Sot
n penny. might have boon at liberty to H.lp-
Dcrrat and myself.
Q.-Tho $500 Which you received Was paid by
check ? Ayes, payable to nv order Oh the
Metropolitan National Dank Of this city.
Q.--Do you know Of any money being paid to
any membor, oiipor. or employe Of eithos House
Of Congress in connection with that subsidy
A.-No, ar.
WHAT sAM KNOWS ABOUT LOBBYING.
Mr.. Bock-I hayo heard it suggested that yoa
had remarked tlat there was great difficulty III q
gentleman living i'll Washington Oh Tue oxygcn
of tho atmosphere, and that gentleman WAS
Obliged to do souleshing.
WitnoHs-YhiB business Of lobbying. AZ It Is
called. ia aa prccarious as fishing in the HoDri-
les You got all ready; your boats 60 out; sud-
donIy there comes a storm, and away yo,l arc
driven. Everybody who knows anything abont
tilneH-Jnore measures arc lott than nrs carried;
but, once III q whilo, pleasant little windfali of
this kind rccomponses III, WHO arc always toliHg
here, for tho dHapponlmcnts Of tie BeHson.
i nln not at all aallamcd-l do not say TINT AIN
proud but mn not ut al a6lained-of the 0ccil-
pAtfon. 1t ia o very useful one. In England it
II q separate branch Of tile legal profession,
There thoy haye Parliamentary lawyers, who do
day 10 hear these lawyers, and tley sit III Parla-
u.ent all night; whereas, here CpmMittees arc
r7{i 136s1 flu1f t,1t1
Jaw nr ~ .,ot thr,',,, ~ na III. ai, - aa ~
san ha aant ~ r,,,n v!to ,a.a ~ sea @
.on,, son, 1u ~, TX .,,nona.n NJ Huuu !n1iu Luz
etos as aaon1 ,nan 'pe c,;s haYo naa mauy
fots pteu11uns s,1as, ovoI.,n mnoesoa away
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MI a T IT, " ooraf r rm,c +; III; s,,,,sap e paasass
t T. 'rn to tne ,,atton.n 1 }W sa.e.
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