New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-02-09

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pcstedi dom know that made it then; think perhaps
might have made 1t before, possibly made IT after
O. You before Johnsons you made either before or
after Johnsons remarkt A. Yes Sir made sometime dur
ing the interview.
In this connection his observation made In connection
with yours or yours connection with his II not' A.
Yes Sir but It much in reference the paper 1t
was in reference 10 my going TO church.
O. Well am not talking about the paper. am talking
now about the observationss A. Yes
O. Well how did the matter 90 then Mr. Bowens part
after that observation OF yours A. After Mr. johnson left
O. No don't care viii find out whether he there or
not IL can but after this observation Of yours A. don't
think very said until after Mr.. johnson left when
Mr. Bowen put questions to know why it was that
did not 60 to Plymouth Church Tha, Is the part that now
distinctly remember.
MR.. BOwENS DENUNCIATlON OF Mr.. BEECHER
O. When did Mr.. Bowen commence stating his
accusations or impuatons against Mr. Beecheri A. can
remember exactly at what part Of the conversation he did
Some OF them stated before Mr. johnson went away
others were stated after he went away.
O. Well did he pursue the matter at some length n Wei
yes; at some length necessarily.
O. You have given the examination have you not,
substantially what he sadi A. Yes Sir.
O. syou remember IT, A. Yes, Sir.
O. What did you say after he had completed the accuse
tons against Mr. Beecher' A. don't think he did complete
them; think he kept rciterating them.
@ Well but he left Off some time Other didn't he' A.
Not until left the house. .
O. Didn't her A. No.
O. Well when he had got through with them for the first
time what did you say-anythns' A. Do you mean what
sad at such particular Idont identify any such
particular moment
IL Ia not AZ to lapse Of tme Il Is the stage OF the
conversation II you don't remember why can't help 1t; II
you do want know A. Mr. Bowen very socitoas 70
know from me Mr. Beeches relation had been TO Mrs
Tilton.
O And asked did he. A. Yes. after Mr. johnson went
away I had said before Mr. johnson went away that Mr.
Beccer had been guilty Of dishonorabe behavior towards BINS
Tilton.
O. That you stated while Mr. johnson tere' A. Yes,
Sir: or that in substance.
O. When did the suggestion OF the preparation Of this letter
OF demand on Mr. up? A. think that came up
in Mr. Bowens private conversation with me- toward the Close
OF that interview.
O. Which suggested It. You he, A. Mr. Bowen suggested
It. lie said that M Bcccer ought to be allowed to preach
in his church
Mr.. Evars-(To PLAINTIFFS COUNSEL; would like this letter
of demand one Of the early exhibits No. 4.
(NIr Morris produced the letter called for
@ Take this II you please, NJ. Tton Handing witness
the exhibit Now the suggestion first from Mr. Bowen
What was that suggesong What did he says A. Mr. Bowen
said substance that Mr. Beecher ought not to be allowed to
remain in his pulpit or In the city; that he ought
to be driven out. Mr.. Bowen then said that
he could take no Steps lONhuo tue a''""P''AHi''''
Of such an object because he had in the previous Febru
AIRY received from Beecher humang confession oil his
guilt an that Mr. Bowen had given him pardon.
O. Well that you stated in you direct examinations A. Yes
Sir; Mr. Bowen however stated that If would make TINS de-
mand which could in honor he stated initiate that
he would subsanate and would bring the volume OF evil
dence which possessed that carried into execu
ton That is the substance Of 1t.
O. believe you said that your direct examination Now,
lac having stated it, how did give your assent to acting
in the manner that he suggested A. said to him. Give me
pen and sheet of paper and will write it," lie said, Il
will carry it,
O. Is that the original draft that you wroe' eferns to
a paper.l A. No, Sir.
O. Well have you the original draft A. Yes Sir.
O. Atany rate it was amended before it finally copied
there wasit A. What is that
O. The draft as originally written changed in some
words before it was copied A. Yes, Sir.
O Do you remember what the change was don't care
anything about the paper. A Well, remember per-
haps. with sufficient accuracy TO say that
this clause was admitted, for reasons which
explicitly understand" Whether the original draft was in pre-
csely these don't know but thai is the substance
O. Was all the original draft including the amendment, in
your handwriting. A. The original draft did not include the
amendment.
O. Well including the amendment that was put upon It,
Wasn't the amendment put the draf OF may not
have been A. think not Sir perhaps was not still VIII
not answer positively Sir
O. supposed the amendment put on IL and then the
complete copy taken from it, don't know A. |; may be-
think the paper exists
O. Very we'll the change AT any rate And the adj
des il that your own also? Showng witness the address
Yes Sir wrote it all except the small writing there; that
is Mr. Moulton's.
Well We can tell All that belongs to letter and an
address is in your handwriting: A. Yes Sir every bit Of it.
O. Now you this letter to Mr. Bowen was the en-
yeope closed or sealed A. think it open, Sir that
my impression
O. II was given him. it not by and taken by him
70 be carried a. an open Mr. Beecher! A. Yes Sir
that is myfrecolection Is not the envelope open now'
O 1t open now: A. mean has it been scaed'
O You may see whether it has been sealed Handing wit
ness the enyeope bears the marks OF having been
clos ID? A. Yes Sir: it not closed by me.
@ And was not intended to bef A. No Sir was an open
letter a. wrote IT, Mr. Bowen have opened before de-
overnight
O. II was intended to be carried by Bowen open A. Yes
Sir.
O Intended by you to be carried by him OPEN A. Yes Sir
and mentioned and described by to Mr. Mouon that after
noon.
O. so that this closing which has taken place A. Was
not by me
O. Wa. not by Won by him with your consent or pnpose'
A. No at ALL sir Still didn't lay any injunction upon Mr.
Bqysg !? cIoe l. That vas no feature in the case Mr.
Bowen wei knew the contents of letter. was an open
letter, he and were jointyr responsible for it,
Mr. Eyaus- Rcadngl: ~ -.
Henry Ward Beecher.
Sir demand that for which YOU explicitly under
stand YOU Immediately from the ministry
Mr. Bcach-Why is il read nOw'
Mr. want its contents continuing
10 rcad from the ministry OF Plymouth Church. and that you
Quit the CITY OF Brooklyn as residence.
lSigned THEODORE TLToy
O. That was written suppose Referring to the word
Signed A. Yes, Sir.
O. Now Mr. TiltOn how sitter this did you inquire,
and how soon after qurngd you hear what had happened
concerning and at the delivery OF this letter. A. made no
inquiry about IT, Sir.
O. Well how did knowledge come to You concerning
81 The first knowledge that concerning Il