New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-08
on through two or three months; my general recollection
OTHER NARRATED CONVERSATIONS DE-
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OIHER NARhAIED .SONv icA'' 49,
MED.
O. Now. Mr.. TiltOn has given narrative
OF an interview which he puts the early part OF Decenr
ber 1871 Mt Mr. study, when you came ther
and this subject retiring the church was spoken
Of stat. by him detail In that interview ne says
that you lin the conversation used these words OF the slD
stance Of them:
Thatin view Of the events OF the Summer and Fall, by
publication of the Woodruff sketch suppose he meal
the Li,e and my presiding at the stenway Hal meet
ing, ahd the little poem called sir sa on
the part OF the members ana leaders 'ha n bo oS
sGsn an iI tha orthodox % and that had not
tended the church for year or nearly two years anu -,
my being banded up ana down ibe con. con-
munity they felt that, church. there souu DC sO"e
inquiry made into the matter.
And then he says this:
Mr. Beecler said: You know, Theodore, how drradiu
and distressing this Is my feelings, particularly AZ
understand how you have come into your iisepue pi
what can dol How can explain 10 my church mem
bersi They are cro~ding me on every hand
Now did any s,ch conversation that take place be-
tween YOU and Mr. Tiltonl A. Not between me and Mr.
Tilton, Sir.
O Now Sir in this conversation, or in any converse
ton about his fixing way the other his relations
with the church. did you say this to him or did he say
this to you:
Mr. Beecher In reference any criticisms made upon
me because have made "A sketch of Mrs. WOodhut- hIe
presided at public meeting on er 1eni. you A1D
perfectly well the reasons that have led me 70 90 ~ ana
you have no right make these reasons thorn III my
side
Did he say anything of that kind to youi A. Not
word, anything like it.
O. Now Sir was there any conversation either as part
OF the interview that have called your attention TO- aS
narrated by Mr. Titon, in this period in which he
spoke dealing with any ofrense at the little verses
called Sir Marmaduke's Musings" saying
You have only to treat IL "A farmer treats nettte
clutch II in yor right hand and crush it handle boldly
put into The Chrtst Cnton, or read u at your PRAYER
meeting treat it ii it had been written ny Mrs Sow
of "a
dangerous to you at all.
was there any conversation or suggestion OF that
kind as to the treatment Of u A. No. Sir, nothing
O. Now did there occur a part OF this interview or
during this period Of conversation anything Ike th rs
stated by Mr.. Tilton:
As to the only remaining thing-my retirement from
the church-g,t rid o, that in this way; SAY told you
year and half rs did at one or my earliest inter
views, that had then abandoned the chufcR III IS
known matter OF fact that have never crossed me
threshold OF the church since then assume power anu
take my name from the roll or have new roll pr'nleu
with my omitted II is dangerous TO eau aen-
ton the fact that my name IL there, get rld Oh l'
| A. No, Sir.
Mr. Evarts-Did he at this interview in any inter-
views on this subject about this period, that II ne
asked for d smssa n letter on the subject, 1t
will mpugn what been doing for the last year and
half and therefore," ha says he said to you, you
will remember distinctly todd you would never again
cross the threshold Of your church" Now, Sir did he
make any statement Of that kind to youi A. No, Sir he
did not.
q. Now, Sir in stating any reasons why he could not
consistently any letter OF dismissal during either
this special he it, during the
at this period the subject Of his relations
to the church. did he say this among the reasons why
he could not consistently ask for letter OF dismissal:
You put your request to me on the ground that my
views different from those OF my childhood Ceraa-
| ly they But allow me 20 renlnu you lhsSS
| my views are not different from the views VI
many members of your church IN good slant ;
| ing. I am not more radical IN any OF my y!eh7
than Deacon Freeland or Mr. Calin or any other mem
Der good standing in your chlIrch anu 70 Woulu pe q
falsehO0d say that must retire from your cnurrl
because Of any beraity IN my religious Views L4r
s,id your church Is well known throughout ChrlFten
dom as being asylum for all lo0sercSS ana hotrally
of Christian and retire from your cnurc d. par
ticuarly criticisms have been MADE against Ile I3I
verging toward libeTay Of Christian sentiment people
will say well, il Theodore has grown 80 loose ana liberal
that he must that account leave Ply mouth
| Church. where, then, Will he goF
Did he present viewsor arguments OF that Kind to you
| A. Never-purely imaginative, the whole.
O. Do you remember. ~ part OF this conversation or
Of this discussion about terminating his relations to the
church. his saying anything Of this kind
Nv views are liberal enough TO enttle to ask let
ter OF dismissal from an orthodox Congregational church,
but theyare liberal to allow me TO remain IN soo
standing IN the church ana on INA, sroiiu ToS
good standing in the church lyogr church,
suppose he means-!our chlIch, fyn.ou C1ioH'I "-'u
| on that ground cannot ask any dismissal.
O. Do you remember his stating anything Of that kind
| A. I remember that he did not.
O. Now this is also given part OF the argimenfa
! ton on the subject
Furthermore, Triton saysl although you must re-
member been absent from your churcn IOf year
and half stl NV wife and daughters remain members,
and their names the roll and retire rom the
church leaving them IN their membership, IL VIII no.
duce upon the public the impression that ianly dIincu
ties have been oberated, but that family diineueS
have been created
O. DO You remember any statement OF that klnai a.
No. Sir; there was such-no such discussion.