The New York herald. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1840-1920, 1875-02-10


q You didn't think that anybody in Brooglyn.
where there are so many teachers. would nave
Thought wnicn one OF them they werc2 A. There
would nave oeen small, narrow circle that
would have known, but the great public would
O. Does not small, narrow circle in scandal
tend TO become much wlder c.rcles A. think
q. Now, MI. rIIton. have You any doubt that
that publcation-stopplng as | have suggested
ana as you have accepted THAI that annOun ce.
ment OF the aet That she knew-tlat that oistsen
family and Mr.. Beecher, whether there would be
any truth or falsehood in t? A. why, sir, mas,
much as a CERTAIN number OF people must have
known to what 1t referred, there would have Deea
10 that extent dangers; SIN, don't TANK that
that card OF itself would have multiplied the num-
Der o. people who did know 1t was the threat OF
publication which the caro- contained that was tue
Q. The actual publication OF the facts and the
! particulars you didn't cons der as conveying
any spark OF scandal in this community? A. Oh
should not say 1t was not spark; think any
such publication would be spark.
EvARTs' TRIUMPH
Here was Evarts' triumph, MS chief and only
one. How did Woodruff get her information about
Beecher's connections with Mrs. Titon That was
the question to when Evarts brought his genius
as a examining lawyer TO bear in the effort
10 secure o satisfactory answer. Woodruff did not
OBTAIN her "ponts" from Tllton. This was posi-
lively sworn to. lie did tell 1t TO friends. as
he had many times said before. MIS- Morse. the
mother.n.aw. Tilton's 6ete nOtre, was told the
story. SO far so good. Mrs. Morse was his wife's
mother and 1t was natural enough she should
hear as soon as an acquaintance like Mrs. Brad.
shaw all OF the scandal. Evarts now had the cue
and he followed 1t up with an earnestness that
showed ne felt the Importance OF the admission.
BUsYBoDY MORSE.
o. Now as yo1 didn't s,nspsc5 Mr. Mr., Bs oc or
how dld you imagine she got her Information?
Q. That was your theoryG A. Yes, sir not that 1t
went from Mrs. Morse TO Mrs. woodruff. but that 1t
went through many mouths; Mrs. Morse was IN
the habit OF saying that made sucn and such
charges, and they got TO Mrs woodhull's ears
O. Weil nave no, asked YOU wore about that;
| you suspected, then, what Mrs. Morse had publciy
said? A. Private, SIR.
q. Well, private with publicity; you don't mean
that she whispered 1T in Mrs. Woodhull's carr A.
No. she didn't whisper It IN anyDody's ear but
q. You thought that was the source OF Mrs.
Woodhus information2 A. Yes, s.r. the original
source the stories went from her; 1T certainly aid
not come from me nor Mr.. Moulton nor Mr..
Beecner.
nlcated any OF the occurrences during thus conf
dental interview in the early part o. III ana IN the
Q. Neither you nor Mr.. Moalton nor Mr.. Beecher
had communicated these stages or conferences
a. can't SPEAK or Mr. Bsecner or or Mr. Mo4
ton; lsDoIe to lew OF nv friends about certain
Q. - Wen during this period A. Yes; for in.
stance, said 70 many Ireads that Mr.. Beecher
! this is a cross-examlnatton.
| Mr.. rllton-Dont make 1t more cross then.
Mr. Evarts-Il is mild In manner; but 1t is not q
cross examination that authorizes spontaneous
Tne Judge-You are only to answer the question.
during ina interval be ore Nay ISL, more or less
OF confidential conferences? A. Yes. Sir.
| @. There had been confidential communicatlons9
Q. Very wers A. can't answer whether Mr..
! Beecher had considered them confidential or Mr..
]
| o. Tnas you can answers A. Yes, sir: under.
| took ted you that when you said you UNDER
Mr.. Evarts-weli think 90 understand to
NOT ANXIOUS FOR BEEcHER's SAFETY
Mr. Tiitonmspt Understand tnas w Thade,S a.
traction, but was never anxious to spare Mr..
q. And although they alluded TO disclosures
about your wife !? A. NO, sir; the only protection
winch put over Mr.. Beecher was Just SO lar as it
not been NECESSARY to protect Mrs luton would
have allow4i Mr.. Beecher TO go TO his destruction
Mr.. Evarts-we understand your disposition.
Mr.. TitoIMit is pretty difficult to understani H.
Beecher was soicltude TO protect Mrs Tilton
| A. Yes, sir
! as much as you choose U the confidential matters
between you, Mr.. Moulton and Mr.. Bee herr A.
IN my lie.
Q. VIII you answer my question A. have
Mr.. Evarts TO the stenographer) - Read the
question: IL was read as given above.
Mr. Beach-The answer, SIT, is responsive and
proper.
Tue Judge-lt IL proper so far as it goes.
.. understand you to say That, notwltnstand-
ing the whole motive OF this interview OF the 30Gh
and wnat followed 1t was 10 protec your VIE and
not love to Mr.; Beecher' yet you ana not scrnpe
over, TO disclose as much as you pleased OF what
was gong on A. Yes, sir. aid; should -
z. Very well, tnat Is an answer.
Mr. Bcach-No, no.
Wltness-I mean to say was under no obliga-
ton to Keep anything secret; | was under no
obligation to keep 1t secret except Tor the sake of
my vile and not for the sake OF Henry Ward
Beecner; did not scrupe to tell wnat was gong
on; selected whom should speak to ABOUT it;
told them what saw fit; 1t was from Mrs Morse
that the first aleQati0ns OF the transactions Then
| proposed and carried on during that early season
| came.
TELLING ALL THE WORLD.
@. Now, sir, how old she lind out what h I'd
passed con INCIDENTALLY between yourself, Mr.. Beecner
and Mr.. Mouton a. Because told ner and she
O. You knew tnat ? a. Yes, sir.
q. And she was one OF the persons you told A.
| Yes, SIR (Renewed laugfter)
q And you knew ner inlrmtv when you told
herr A. Yes. SIR. niore and very loud laughter.l
Court II such demonstrations continue. | regret
very much indeed that 1t is necessary for me to
spectul to the Court ana does no good.
e. We!l was any pars OF your shndaer when you
read this card Oh Mrs. WOouhul occasloned BY your
fear that your own im2rndence might nave con.
trbuted TO her knowledgeY 4. don't understand
now 10 ulVde the snuddeflns; IL was spaSn OF
agOnized ieehng on my parr; hat It's component
parts were do not remember.
q. 1t was great surprise2 A. II was. certainly.
q. You did then have tt in your mud that you
had told Mrs. Morse and knew ner infrmityY A.
instantly imagined whence the stores came.
q. Tnaps what call making IL Il part OF the
shudder. Now, up to this stage oil the matter, no
particular progress was mace throuRn the winter
III collecting your money from Mr.. Boweny A. /
don't know that Mr.. MouIton made any effort TO
do so; lie was sick; perhaps ne did do something !;
the money was not collected
Z. Now, wnen was 1t that you TOOK advice con-
corning the pecuniary interest between you and
Mr.. Bowen
Mr.. Beacn--He means legal advice.
Mr.. Evarts-Yes You have spoken In your direct
examination OF having taken advice A. | con-
suited Frederick A. Ward; 90 not remember the
date: think year had elapsed though the legal
advice was as TO the vaildty or me contract
whetner the contract was good perhaps N q sec: