New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-21
CONVERSATIONS WITH Mr.. MOULTON.

CONVERSATIONS WITH MR.. MOULION
Q. call your attention now to the letter OF
February 1922 how long before the writing OF mat
letter was IL that you met Mr.. Tton In the carsf a
met In the cars think Sir, in the forepart OF fep
ruary-I mean OF January.
O. DO you know the datei A. No. do not Sir not
exactly. might come pretty near It, only kho uh'
IL IL probably the first half OF January
O. Now what occurred intermediate the time when you
him the and the writing Of this letter Oh req
ruary in regard TO this difficulty A. There occurred
sotto roeelJanuarythere occurred good deal OF con-
versaton between Mr. Moulton and myself; and, II
recoect right there occurred the letter OF MIS- lton
before they left the West speaking of his hardness OF
feeling; and there occurred sso-I cannot say that
recollect now that there occurred any interview win
himself except this oneI there may have DONE put
put IN possession Of the facts through MI
and through this innation Of Mrs Tilton don't know
whether Mrs Tilton OF not cannon reca I'll .no
circumstances but in possession Of the knowedee
that he felt very greatly dissatisfied and that ne was way
ing that the difficulties into which he had found hInscn
enanged subsequently To his publication OF the lie Oh
Woodruff and the steinway Hall meeting-ths pressure
of those difficulties he attribuing to me, ana S
that my church using it's great influence as against
him. and that tolerang my friends In injurious re
vaccinations of him, and that while he had been the
man and the inurer allowing people TO think tAat
bore H.
O. Had the scandal then in any way peTrneated the
ehurcht A. The scandal-I don't know To what extent
was suspected,sir.
O. Had IT perneated the church at ally A. / cannot
answer that str.
What did yon think al the time in regard to thati
A. don't know that thst-I held myself so aioof that
was the poorest one 70 know IN regard TO that
O. Did you hold Yourself aloof purposeyi A. dd;
didn't allow myself speak OF 1t. nor allow others "
speak to me, for the most part
O. You didn't mean TO learn then. the seandal were
aroat in the church, A. meant 10 inain ain absolute
silence, as had promised to do
@ Well, did yOu regard the other rs keeping n'' coh
tracti A. The other sdei
O. Yes. A. I did. and didn't.
O. Well, then, you didn't A. oh, both
O. Well, you didn" that L. one part Of ~ A. les'
but I did, too. Laughter.
O. Very we'll were you in divided Judgment about
it, A. will make the statement exactly
Judge Nelson-Mr Rogers, you will remove from the
courtroom any person that interrupts tho proceedings
NO matter who ii won't have these Interruptions
Mr. Fullerton-Except the counsel If yon Honor
please.
Judge Nelson-Except the counsel; yes, Sir.
Mr.. Beecher-And the witness.
Mr. Fullerton-why didn't you take occasion, then, In
this new phase Of that business 10 consult some person
other than the friend Of Mr. Tton In regard to III d
was satisfied with the consultation that had
O. You still had confidence In him. A. Cnbonnded
q, Well II you had been guilty OF no improper 40
yances and regarded yourself as amenabie only W the
charge OF winning this vOmans affections, which was
unconscously done, why didn't you make statement OF
that fact satisfy the public In regard TO TINS mat
teri A. Phat is the very thing Mr.. Mouon insisted On
ought not 70 be done could not be touched at all
without opening and going into an investigation when
he thought would be- injurious all round Thought IL
would be NE, and he thought 1t would be ~ the iny
interest
O And didn't Mr.. Moulton at that time. regard the
charges against you Of serious character IMAM
improper sohcitationsi A. No. don't think he did, Sir
Q. Do you know that he didn't A. Why. don't know
what was In him, but he made any manifestation
to me of it.
@ Never spoke % you about any charge more serious
than improper solicitations A No, Sir he din speak
n me even OF that.
Well. whs, did you suppose Moulton believed in re
rard to this scandal at that timef A Well peneVeu
that Moulton thought there had been difficulty ana a'
., a,aerent times ght he had different notions III
his head about it, but asked him. ana ne never
told me- unasked and II merely therefore Paasns
thoughts in my mind AT, .,
O. Well, pray, why didn't you learn from thi, mAn
what his conclusions were In regard 10 uiis uioy "
Learned them enough for all purposes thai bad Id
view. .,, g., ID.
n Wan didn't you wish 70 vindcate yourself I'd NE
,;non i, Won came TO the conclusion OF learned tha'
he A. 1 had indicated myself.
O. One moment-had vindicatedi A. Was ah inmate
of his family his personal friend; ne adnaea no m
,,a. confidence and 10 her chamber didn't want any
thing better than that
O No. even though he believed you TO be guilty Oh i'h
proper sdyancesi A. He couldn't believe such thlhs
Of me- ~,
O You simply infer that he didn't believe II from MS
conduct A. His whole conduct vas that OF mh WHO
believed me 70 be innocent
O. And in this close intimacy between you ana mi
Mouon resulting in almost daily conferences you never
asked him the question whether lie believed you 10 DC
guiltyi A. Never certainly did
O. You never sought to ind outi A. I know that
O. All tnferenoei A. That u all you could ind CUT py
vords-it Ia all inference.
@ Well, am trying TO md out something else a. Anu
not succeeding very well.
O No. very well; no. but 1t s not my fault