Evening star. [volume] (Washington, D.C.) 1854-1972, 1875-01-22
PACIFIC NAIL.
Irwin Refreshes His Memory,
HE FURNISHES A SUPPLEMENTAL Ii
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q. What did Mr.. Schumacher say TO Won
which convinced you that you had made
mistake in paying him sZI5, 600 in a check in
stead of $500 600?
A. According TO my recollection when 7
handed Schumacher the check for S275.OOO he
said 1t ought TO be S3O0,O0O. I then remem-
bered that this should have been the amount
as ked him if he was in hurry for the re-
nlainder, s25.OOO, and he said he could wait
Mr. Irwin then desired To know if he was
still under arrest, as he was last night kent
under surveillance. He stated that
HE WOULD ANSWER FULLY
all the committee desired 10 know, if il took
all summer.
Mr.. Dawes stated, i'm reply. that he was
only under technical arrest. as the commit
tee, without the order of the House, had no
power to discharge him. but that he would
not be annoyed.
MR. sCHUMAKER's SERVICES
z. What was the understanding between
you and Mr.. Schumacher; what were the ser
vices TO Defor which he was TO receive
$500. coo?
A. He was TO work for the subsidy bill; his
pay was contingent upon the passage of the
bill; he was the principal worker for the bill
before the House; / understood the money
paid him was for his own exclusive use;
would indicate to me that it was not for his
own use; Mr. Schmaker, in addition to being
employed by me; might also have been em-
plOyed by Mr.. StOckwell; Mr.. Schumacher
never told me that StOckwell had employed
him, but judged so only from one circum-
stance which arose in an interview 1 had
10 me, chow is Schumacher getting along in
Washington" / said To him, chow do you
know that l have retained Schumacher
he then said, in an Off-hand way, s'Oh. /
know" / have no knowledge. however. of
any agreement between StOckwell and Schu-
maker
THE $4,000 CHECK ALL FOR sCHUNAKER.
q. Where did you deliver Mr.. Schumacher
the S215GO0 cneck?
A. In his own office, think. 1 never ex-
pected, nor did anything pass between us
which would form basis for il. that Mr..
Schumacher was to return any of the money
TO the Pacific Mail company.
q. DID yOu say to him "Here'S the check;
take out of this your fee, and you will re-
ceive instructions what to do with the bal
ancc?"
A. couldn't have said that; for regarded
1t as his own money, with which he could do
as he ,3Sose PLEASED iroro ,o,, ,., ,,o,, ,o,,o,,
THE CHECK TO w s. KING?
A. At the Continental Hotel in Philadel-
phia. remember this distinctly from q sue
cessiOn OF circumstances. had a bad head
ache. filled up a check for King, when he
handed it back to me. and said, SYou have
made a slight mistake, haven't you? This
check is for $4,000 il ought TO be for s1l5 OO0."
/ then filled up another check. King said,
This is worse than the other I looked at
IL and found had filled il up for only Sis. |
then fixed one all right
q. Was there any understanding between
yourself and Mr.. Schumacher as TO whom ne
was TO pay any of the S2I5,O00?
A. had no understanding that he was 10
pay any of the money TO anybody as far as /
was concerned. He could do what he pleased
with it, ! have no bnowletg@@, Of :iIo pay.
ment of any check to one General Smith;
only learned that such sum had been paid
Lyman Gilmore.
MR.. IRwLN's SUPPLEMENTAL LIST.
MI. IRWIN then said he had paid additional
SUMS which escaped his memory yesteriay;
! de had paid John NJ. Morris, who was editor
of the Chronicle, and executive clerk of the
Senate 81 500 for printing editorials and sta
ustical paragraphs; for similar advertising,
| &c, he paid the Patriot, Herald, &c,
| $500 more. He also paid a correspondent
| named Moran; in all fifteen thousand dollars
| was thus paid. Moran was not TO write dis
| Iaches, but letters, and keep the question Of
FRESH AND SWEET
| before the country. He had also paid ex-
| Gov. Randall s35,0O0, TO be used by him to
| silence bear movement gotten up by DAN
| iel Drew. He had heard that Drew had sent
| Tor Senator Harlan, and he had been informed
| that Harlan went to New York and had
stated that he could control six votes against
| the bill. Mr.. Harlan was an enemy of the
| Oil, and he wanted his influence with the
| six opposing votes silsnced. He gave Ran
| dali the $4,000 to use for this purpose, and
| he had not the slightest doubt but that he
| spent every cent OF il in that direction. He
looked On the bear movement as Methodist
| movement, and so called it because il was
| headed by Daniel Drew in New York and
| Senator Harlan i'll the Senate. He also
| thought that Samuel A Hatch received an
1
| the neighborhood of $50, 600. Hatch didn't do
anything, only to talk 10 people he knew con-
ceIning the merits of the measure.
| @. Was any OF the Pacific Mail money used
| politically? Was il placed in any Congress
! sfonal district to assist candidates?
A. There was no such understanding with
| me. / know of no Congressional district
| where any OF II was used for electioneeTins
purposes.
A DOTTED RED AND BLUE LIST.
| q. Did any list OF members of Congress pass
| between YOU and Mr.. Hatchy
A. We often spoke on the general subject
He did at one time bring list marked with
red and blue, and dotted. The red indicated
the members in favor of the bill. blue those
against ii, and those dotted were doubtful
The list referred principally TO southern anc
western members.
Q. Where did you first meet Hatch?
| A. StOckwell commended him to nle in
New York. He said Rufus Hatch had recon-
a good man to employ" and employed him
| WRITINGS INFLUENCE.
g: Where did you first get acquainted witt
A. Either in San Francisco or New York
my impression is that Whiting was con
nected with ex- Senator Cole by marriage il
| Whiting was here.
| @ Dld you meet him accidentally?
A. 1t was not an accidental meeting;
| arranged with him in New York; he was 4
| come 10 Washington and use his influence il
| behalf of the subsidy; he wanted large sun
of money for his services, and didn't thnl
they were worth what ne asked; afterward
| changed my mind and found he had gool
deal Of influence with people i didn't hav,
much with, particularly with Senator Cole
| Senator Cole blamed the Pacific Mail com
pany with interfering in his election; Col
| was friend OF the measure, but not of III,
company; knew that we needed him; we die
not want merely his vote and speeches bu
his active cooperation, in fact that he mus
become the laboring car in the Senat,
because the subsidy was considered Pacifi,
coast measure; Cole took warm Interest in
the bill after Whiting was empIoyed: VIII.
ting was TO use his influence exclusively in
the Senate; have not heard from, hilu
since lsI2, and don't know where he is
| KINGS SERVICES
4 Y: What was the service rendered nv w m
| payment? y A"i .
| A. Stockwell arranged with him before
| came mere; King frequently spoke to mem
oers on the floor, both the friends and enc
| mles OF the BILL / told him to keep or tha
! ne was doing more harm than good that fhe
enemies OF the bill should not be spo;xen 70
| AZ they might dnd out too much of whaf wa.
1 going on; told him IL he had any in q anapea
| 10 go ana use IL on the Senate side
1 - 49, SCHUAAKER's SERyIcES
" Mnat service was Schumaker tn rA,Ssrp
| a he was to use his influence in the Honsc
| oI Representatives in aid of the measure sni
upon the passage of the bill was 10 be maid so
| much for his services w "o P"i" so
q For Individual services or for disburse-