The sun. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1833-1916, 1875-12-11

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| G nsirue the action. and say that the Methodist
Church has identified ltself with po itics.
have heard several MethOdiats say that " was
uuwise for the Bi-hoD To do II, even VI he enter.
| thlucd thOse spntimeDte.'
Tue key. G. \: Grimm pastor of the second
HERMAN Nhutch In fortieth street said that
Haven war New EnRlander, and that that act
| ui1ht account Tor us OutspOken words.
think that II is hl2n time for rellginus men
| 70 90 into uoliucs," said the Rev a. &. More
| house of he Thirty-ilith street Church. "1he
| Methodist Church has alwaSs suppnrted poIiti-
cal parties. lt supported the Declar .tIon Of In.
dc endence mud u always on advanced rvourd
nshoJ II ,ven 10 always In advance. too, end
| W T. one reason why he WIS elected IhshOu.
| II Grant Is nominated no will te supported by
many Methods = We oil have our peculiar
Tne RIy. rhOs. u u roh lastor of the Sec-
| ond avenue nnd llyth street NJ r. Churh,
emile eood-natureuly as toe question was pro-
What do you think Of piehop IIavens nomi-
nation Of Grant Tor third term -
Wei, now, you mustn't cndcavur to- mako
me scgld NV Olu friend, Gil Haven. The rarers
are doing that satisfactorily. on mcars we'll
nut he IL "a independent IN speech rs he Is In
thought and action. The adoption OF his re-
mnrhs IN Boston doesn't bind tho Methodist
'hurch. The Church has nothing TO do with
pohtic- nor does 1t desire ". The boston
pre- chefs' meeting was ar Informal arnir. IN the
cYtn,r Of which lIt4hop IInVrn wn. rrn,I sfed 10
talk about the Suutn, ~ he n stationed thctc
ana IN his free and ea-y st,io he did r.. 1hat's
and viii DO Grant more harm than ANYTHING
Use. ~ le"at 50 lar ~ the Methodist Church IL
Concerned"
The Rev. A. u. Val was found in tho parson-
aae At III EaSt EIgu ,--iNth street lie said Il
lhiuk the whole afaif was exceedingly foolish,
but a. Haven Is not rcmnIkable Ion Inc Xor-
cisc of dis rction. lie L. q man Of eminent llt.
eiary tact and % thoroughly honest convictions.
but he II etraiic fund u extreme III, ones ana
lai te 10 Nv ~ az IN gent in tue COurSo Of a
.peech was formerly pupil ot b,-, ana know
n'h nr ave ns loves t. tax, Is resDY;;
coutbr, you appreciate my mennlnG. lie wont
craz' ON tho slavery question before tie war,
a.ff
sidcr the South reconstructed ye., and wants
Grant to remain IN power A. the only man who
lfeac. er ere entitled TO mighty CON -idcratiun,
nui III aivice a. pol ticiIn l. not. lie IL not a
lender IN tho Methodist CbLrch. ana though a
bishuD Every one Knows MIN ~ "Gill" Haven.
dun thihk tho prea'uer, at that meeting
in,ended to r9d,rss snlfq Urn senti.nent-.
VINO would 40 50 foolish n thing. The whole
antir doesn't amount to M, thne, ~ every one
KNOWS nov 10 regard the cXpre s.iOIa OF Bishop
Haven ~ there Il any material effect, II will
oe 10 reducr tno numoer oi Grants c,nstl'u-
allow 10 T. nuence TO be used Tor political mucbi-
nations. We do not esteem Grant ~ a menber
OF our church by ny means"
The Rev. A. Graham. ~ the Eleventh street
Methodist a. piscopal Church, SAYS that he IL op.
y, std to any action ny which the Methodist
governmental affairs. 81 am not IN sympa,hy
With the action Of Bishop Haven" -aid be-
ana think that the movement ~ the I3osto n
ministers was ill-adviscd ana out " place. l.
Is true that i am opposed to tue ag sfesslye
principles or a certain church, hut | should be
hostile IN the same way To the aegrcs sion uf any
Other church dcnonlination. snOuld resist
tthe encroachweuts OF the Meth dist Chur, II,
Tor Instance. 1T - strongly as | now oppose
those OF the komhn Catholics"
WHAT GRANT SHOULD DO.
The Rev. G. Jost OF the First German Metho-
di-t hpi-copai Church sad. "a he walked nor
,ou.N up and down his pleas mt pHriur. 4"
don't endorse the political ac ion of any h, DIV Of
ministers: The church. as a body, has nothing
To do with the management Of the (Oycrnmenf
and think that the movement Of the i.hop
wes inoiscreet. As individuals, We nave the
belong ~ ~. more than to other churches to
dictate 60 The nation The policy Of government"
NJ. Il. Clurcn, :"l don't approve the action
as al. Inc mon had no business t. coiupru-
mise the Church, aud Though Gilbert Haven
may say what he pie sea. he has no rient to Or 4,
We great uenuulttattu unu body into his per-unt
disputes. The meeting IN Iost,,n rne mr. .p.,ed
lrr the rou-idefrtiun of utuef matters. Hnd the
Bi7hop oNerst' pped ht- p'weis when me- look
up tue di-cussioh OF political ruuJect-. lie took
advantage OF the larre gutucrihg uu tuo 9th to
di,seu,inate his peculiar views Mnai should
have been business convention, h. turned into
general spOutnV meeting. dun't thlnk that
Grant wsuts q tlird term. | should hope tuat
he doe mt, At least; ana II he Uoes desire ia
nomiu ttiun, his lrienus Cnul not have taken a
course more positively fatal 10 pls hopes tnAn
that upon wLtch The Boston clrrcymen have
entered. Aher this Grant ought 10 ue ready TO
cr' out, Deliver ne irum my friends don't
oeny the right Of free speech 10 any man, hut |
mink lhat Tue Risnop. rs the hrst REL reeents-
I'VE ~ he Methodist Church. ought tO have ieft
lhis sud- Il en- irell alnue."
he hry. &. ;. narrower, OF the seventh Ave
nue. Central Church, slid that lie should hnve
been di-gu,ted hy tne action OF h-nnp Haven
II lie had not considered the eccentricites OF
tue man. The B -hop," said he. - does not ia
the smallest degree express the sentiment Of
the A.ethodist Church, ana n n vote were tnkon
tomorrow, I think That nineteen out of every
twenty would refuse TO support hlm." MIR. Har-
rover took hb-iA anu lO0cal view OF the
bishops course. 81 think" sid he. that Mr
Haven, whose strong abolition views are well
known, spoke from his experience in the south
"a certain rabd ana uneniigh Tened regions. lie
has been prosecuted for his Abolition ide q
ontll he he come /" think that only the iron
grip OF military command can hold IA check
toe dangerous element do not think that his
action has an thlng " whatever 10 do with the
question OF 1fOtestantism or Cdthon ism. We
knoN wnat the D-noD "a, una we take hii views
understanD ingly, "a those Of a radical aud ec-
centric man. There may DO few men In the
Sou h IN are nos ile to the Union, hut the
greet mai Jority are re ldy 10 o0trrnte all u.lti
san feeling. fhey wish TO forget the war and
~ Is only by the withdrawal Ot President Grant,
lhe one irritating r. h!nuer 9i the II, that this
naA than Gen Grant for the next term, a |
freetnd broad md linernl stnicsn an to rule us,
regrrt intensely thar Bishop Haven exprcssed
himself "a ne did, but do not regard his ction
TO his platform"
NOT A PRuDENr MAN
SAID Nir. l.. H. Gregory, Of the Bedford Street |
Ch"rch; b!shOp Haven does no, at all reflect |
the views OF the great body of the Methodist |
divldbal. Though he is a bishop bis op niuu |
NNt- nov thFII any more weight tnAu would that
# anN other meiuber OF The Methodist huron. |
lie simI ~ expresses bis individual views, ana | |
have no heat tiOn IN differing entirey from |
tnem. lie IA not prudent at all m his expres-
stlns but he hae always been eHCeedingly Tadt- |
g al ana he does not seem TO think that his Office
Oi bishop cupples him IA tho least IN the express
= on o. HI opinions. have aiwals differed with |
nlm, ana am not now IN sympathy with him. |
HIS assumpti of tile ONCE II President OF the |
Wumen's Suffrage Convention has been a sub |
jeCt OF controversy, but considered that ac ion |
mat er Of personal feeling, nd though not sur
porting him | did not condemn hin. lie rs |
strong, radical, ,uid olignal and he is always |
strkiug out for himself aud keeping the church |
In a STIR. His oOn(so must be judged SIMPLY by |
tne standard that we would ap. ly to tue action |
ot any other member OF the church. Gilbert |
Haven Is truly loyal 70 the church In its every |
doctrine ana he cant be oriticised for his per |
sonal opinion. He Is perfectly independent. aud |
no dosmas viii make hin walk tlptOe IN hls re-
hgiOus course"
The Rey. Cuarlcs c. Harris OF the Allen Street
ChurCh, said that hO had formed no decided |
opinion IN regard to the Boston departure.
said the Rev. j. II. Edmonds Of tho Duane
street church; ~ don't believe IN the y ece-
dent OF a third term, and decidedly don't en-
dorse the action Uf the bishop. IL would have
been greatly TO his advantage II he mad never
spoken hs no has done IL was very unwtse and
inniscreet, and the friends OF Gen. Grant could
not nave done anything more 20 Ills disadVant-
age. don't like the movement at all
Il felt almost like kicking the bishop, when I
read OF tho proceedings III Boston," said the
Rev. &. Brown, OF the Five Points Mission |
ana think the action WAS tnapI ropriate, 10 |