The New York herald., 1875-09-11
Testimony Of Bishop Hare Before the
Investigating Commission.
HONESTY OF TIE RED CLOUD AGENT.
A Certificate Of Character for the Interior De-
partmcnt and the Indian Bureau.
A QUESTION OF VERACITY UNSETTLED.


is that if they intend to hghtit the line of ex-
amining every person whose has been may be
suggested Them il will take them, not only ''all
summer" but VIII carry them into another admins
The feature of the session to-day the
animation OF Bishop w H. Hare who has had an ex-
tensive acquaintance with the management OF the
Indians the auspices of the Episcopal Church. in
carrying out the peace policy OF the Presi-
dent Bishop Hare spoke with both candor
and caution and tendery conscientious lest any
unguarded of his might be considered
Gecting upon personal character and integrity OF
any person whose name position he had occasion TO
mention. The principal part OF the examination had
special reference to the conduct of
UNDER sAvILLE,
the agent at Red Cloud respecting which the Bishop
had made special examination and report year
ago. While stating his opinion in which the Commis.
of Indian Affairs concurred that for variety of
rcasons- the period of Dr. Savilles usefulness
Indian agent had passed, Bishop Hare took
ccason to express his mistaken confidence in
the personal integrity OF the Red Cloud Agent and, in
general observation with the Commissioners after tho
close of his formal examination he pointed out the diff
culties the Doctor had had TO contend with and the
dsalected at work against him, and defended
him from the unjust aspersions which, he said have
been cast upon him.
The Bishop also testified to the assistance he had
ONCE IN his cndeavors to correct abuses in the
management of the Indian matters at the agencies
and, in conclusion, made general observations
upon the general subject of Indian affairs expressing
substantially the views which he had previously
embodied in his special report to the department
Professor Marsh and the Commissioner of Indian AZ
fairs present at the examination of Bishop Hare
to-day and the Professor turned examiner for a time
and asked the Bishop questions especially
touching the fact to whether certain recon-
mendations made in Bishop Hare's report had been
carried out by the department
BISHOP HARE's TESTIMONY
BY Mr. Faulkner call your attention to the fol-
lowing paragraph in the pamphlet containing Professor
Marsh's charges:--
Essentially the excuse for the inferior char
acer of these cattle made by Agent Save in
Washington June l, 1875. When questioned by Bishop
W. H. Hare In my presence in regard to this particular
issue Agent Savle then stated that the condition
of these cattle was owing to hard driving some forty
eight hours with little grass Sleep hurry them
through the Indians had had beef for time,
he having kept back rations to induce them to be
counted these cattle arrived in the morning and he
weighed most of them the same forenoon; few
that wild he did not weigh, but estimated the
issue made on the same afternoon of the receipt
among the cattle then issued were forty
small and scaawag CATTLE Agent Saville confident
that these cattle thin they were would weigh $50
pounds average; my questioning this he in
sisted that those he weighed up to that average
aud that those estimated were fully as large he him
SELF weighed all Of the herd that weighed the
morning they arrived memoranda of these statements
of Agent Saville taken down at the time by both
Bishop Hare and myself, and, at subsequent confer
ence, wcae found TO agree"
| Now 10 you rccoIect the extent of that interview
! that took place between yourself and Agent SavIe
which is there referred to, and if give the sub
stance of IT. as far you recollcct? A. | accept
this statement with the exception of
that do not affect its substance. | would omit the
phrase "forty eight hours" l don't deny it, but
hop1t aDnha n ba rhatn # tI,a
statement stand by it, but there few words that
do not remember. will read 1t over again [readngl
Essentially the for the inferior char
acer OF these cattle made by Agent
savlle in Washington June l, 1875 when questioned
by Bishop W. II. Hare in my presence, in regard
this particular issuep" A. "That is So"
@. "Agent Saville then stated that the poor con-
diton of these cattle owing hard driving some
forty eight hours with little grass sleep hurry them
through, the Indians had had beef for some time
he having kept back rations to induce them to be
counted? ?" A. "That is So except l won't be sure
about the words forty eight hours"
@. "These cattle arrived in the morning. and he
weighed most of them the forenoon ?" A. 'That
| is So"
@ ''Some few that were wild he did not weigh, but
estmated?" A. "That is So" "The issue was made
the afternoon the receipt ''That is So"
Among the cattle then issued forty more scaa
wag" cattle 'I won't be about the number He NAV
! have said forty, but | don't remember exactly"
agent savle confident that these CATTLE thin as
they were, would weigh $50 pounds on an average
''That is So" On my questioning this, he insisted
that those he weighed came up to that average
! those estimated fully large ''That is So"
He himself weighed all of the herd that were weighed
on the morning they arrived 'That is So"
| BY the Chairman-"Did you understand Savlc TO
say that occasion that these cattle would average
pounds and no more?" A. 'Not say so; but the i'm
preston upon my mind was that they would not weigh
more than $50 pounds; thought that a man who
wished prove that the cattle up standard
would the lowest figure but rather the high
figure which his conscience would allow; IT, there
fore Save again and again reiterated that they would
weigh $50 pounds, it clear to me that they would
not weigh ESQ.,"
BY Mr. Harris-'savile stated that that converse
ton he was repeatedly asked by yourself or Professor
Marsh whether the cattle would come up to $50 pounds
the minimum named in the contract; to which no
said he thought they would, and morcY" A. 'l dom,
remember the 'more;' do not think he could hayo
used 'more;' think that would have made an imprcs
sion upon my mind"
q Then to the other part OF his statement that
the Question put to him TO give the minimum num-
bcr Of pounds the average of pounds stated
the contract do you know whether the contract was
referred to in your conversation ?" A. The contract
referred to- not visby produced but referred to
verbally"
q. al state to you well as | remember without
being able at this moment TO read his exact statement
the substance of what he said in order that If you
think proper you affirm 1t contradict IT, either
way?" A. ~ would not be willing to do more than
to give my impression Of it, There were great many
other things my mind. This was, with me, sdo
issue. am minister. That particular bus
of mine, and, having asked about it, dismissed
the matter from my mind and attended to my usual
affairs, and don't wish to give anything more than as
my memory serves me now"
By the Chairman-What I wish to Arrive at is
whether you had any recollection that would en-
abo you to say when Savile talked about the weight
of the cattle, whether he speaking Of their acua,
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