New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-23
interview, the time that you Mr. Beecher there
you have given n todays A. l am.
HIS INTERVIEW WITH MR.. BEECHER ON
JUNE z, 1873,

T..
the interview that had Oh that day was between IL
and II o'clock In the morning.
Did you make that to the question that have
read In just the precise Language that have read ' A.
cannot recollect that, Sir.
O. will read IL again.
O. Please state the time Of day when he came ana
" hen lac left, as nearly rs you can
Now did you not make this to that question In
the precise words read:
A. should say that the interview that had on that
day between ii and IL o'clock In the morning
Did YOU not make that precise answeri A. viii
accept that answer do not recollect whether made
Il.
Mr.. Beacl-IIe says he will accept II.
O. Very well Now, Mr. Cleveland, how long. about,
does II take to 20 from Mr.. Beechers house to the office
Of The Christian Union, where it ut that timcf A.
minutes.
O. Now, you questioned by counsel with reference
TO that were you mott A. Twas.
O. And how did you state the time theni A. said 20
minutes, more lcss-less moredepending upon the
boats, I think.
O. How do you state il nowi A. I say from 20 to 40
minutes, depending upon the boats.
O. Well, did not you say from Is TO 20 minutesi A.
think did not.
O. Are you sure of that A. II did desire to make
the correction
O. Well, you had been frequently from Mr. Beechers
to The Christian Union object A. had.
O. And was quite familiar with the time that 1t tookI
A. never measured the time.
O. In TO the question put by the counsel - TO
how long would 1t take did You not make this answer:
A. Well, think average time you could go from
his house 10 the office in 20 mlnucssometnes shorter
A. II I said that, desire to make the correction.
Mr. Besch-Read the question and answer.
Mr. Morris Ireadingl:
O. Just describe the trip which you make to get from
time Won could go from his honse to the office in 20 min.
shorter and sometimes longer depend
ing on the boats.
A. II shorter" think 1t was msreport
@ Do you mean to say that you did not give that an
swer in those precise words that have read A. mean
TO say that said - minutes desire to correct the
answer.
O. No "sometimes 90 minutes sometimes shorter"
Mr. Shearman-He said so.
O. Did you Use that language A. don't recollect
that did.
Mr. Bcach-Mr. Sherman says he did; II he wants to
correct it now
Mr. shearmsn ITO the witnessl -Yon are not asked
whether what YOU said then correct but what you
said then.
The wituess-I desire merely to say that meant to
say then 20 minutes longer depending on the boats.
Q. You were asked also that examination, with
reference to the time you Mr. Beecher there this
question. were You not:
O. will ask you il you absolutely certain that this
interview which mentioned occurred upon the "a Oh
June, between IL and II O'clockt
Do You recollect that question being put to you. A.
! do.
O. And what was your answers A. do not recall II.
@. II think am" that the answer made by you 7
A. l do not deny 1t.
O. And that was all that was said by you in that
nation upon the subject, wasn't iti A. do not recall
O. Where were you residing at that time A. At the
Mansion House
Mr.. BEECHER SENDS FOR MR.. CARPENTER.
Q. Do you know Mr.. Carpenterf A. / do.
@: When did you make his acquaintance A. On Sun
day. the 2jth OF May, 1873.
@. And where A. In the City OF New-York.
O. did you make his acquaintance A. In the City
OF New-York.
@. That was on Sunday, ! believed A. That was on
Sunday afternoon
O. And how came yon 10 go 10 New-York TO see him
A. went at the request OF Mr.. Bcecher.
Q. And how did you got With what conveyancef
With horse and carriage
@. Whosei A. Mr. Beecher's.
Q. What time in the afternoon was thatf A. Three or
four o'clock that left Brooklyn.
Q. Were you requested 10 bring Mr.. Carpenter to
Brooklyn, If you could find him A. l was.
O. Aud where were you 10 bring hint A. Mr. Mou
tons.
O. And did You take him to Mr.. Moulton'si A. l did
q. And did you leave him therei A. did not.
Q. Where did you leave him A. do not recollect
he left the carriage after drove away from Mr. Mou
ton's-where, cannot say.
o. DO You know the object OF Mr.. Carpenters being
brought to Brooklyn on the 18th of May A. do.
Mr. Shearrnan-Wait a moment
Mr. Morrs-what was the purpose OF bringing him
herei
Mr.. shearman- moment 7 object TO that, your
Honor unless Mr. Beecher is connected with II; IL ap
pears not.
Mr. Morris-Oh yes; Mr.. Beecher sent for him.
Mr. Shearman-wel, that is what was the object, but
whose object-Mr Carpenters object Or Mr.. Cleveand's
object. or Mr.. Beechcr's obecti
Judge Neilson-That should appear,
O. Did Mr. Bcecher express to you any reason state or
give TO you any reason, why he wanted Mr. Carpenter
heret A. He did
o. And what was it, A. To have him come and see
Mr. Bowen with some other gentlemen.
O. And for what purpose did he want him to come and
see Mr. Bowcnl
Mr. shearnan-we object to that OF course. He should
ask what Mr. Bcecher expressed that the proper ques
ton.
Judge Neson-I think that is implied in the quest on
For what purpose did he want 7" 1t implies that he
said it.
@. Now, answer the question, II you please
The wi,nessWill the stenoSrapher please read the
question:
The Tribune stenographer read the question as follows
And for what purpose did he want him to go and see
Mr. BOwcnr
Mr. shearman-I object to that That docs not Identity
Mr. Beechcr with the purpose. The question Is very
easily modified SUPPOSE but STILL We should conhne
ourselves within the rule for the witness would feel
bound TO answer--
Mr. Morris-Dd Mr.. Beecher state TO you why he
wanted Mr. Carpenter TO see Mr.. Bowenf A. lie dd.
VII, "a m tn ROWeu-fOr
nurposeI A. In relation to stories that he had heard
that Mr. Bowen was reporting, reyiving.
O. Give Mr. Beeehors language near as you can.
That Is the substance, near as can give It,
Mr. Beach-whcn was this
Mr. Morris The 25th OF May, 1873 ITO the witness
Now give Mr.. Bcecher's language-what he said upon
that subject You can A. That Is Is near 40