New-York tribune. [volume] (New York [N.Y.]) 1866-1924, 1875-04-30
MIR. BEEcurR's PAYMENTS or MONEY DAM
AGING To Mr.. MOTLTON.


trodnccd in evidence in which something was sad no
tween Won ~ said nv the wnesse. the witnessl
and Mr. Mouon the subject Of money having sp
pcarcd in the OF tis t"nsaotion do YOU 'm"m
her such an interview \. do.
O. when was thait \. cannot state definitely, hut
was some interviews that occurred between Mr.
Moulton and myself between think, the 18Th and the
10th Of July
O. Where did that occuri A. should say that u
occurred at Mr. Moulton's house
@ And who were PRESENT. A. Mr. Moulton and my
self
Q. How did that interview come about A. We were
speaking rccollect &C. OF Mr. Tllton's contemplated
statement which he had promised 10 mako before the
Committee the 2Oth OF July, think-glvcn notice
that he should make statement and in the course 81
conversation said Mr. Moulton, 81 don't are, N Mr.
Triton has any regard for interests how he can prc"s
this matter 10 such an extent that the full history Of this
transaction will have TO he stated for II IT, don't sce
how YOU keep from coming out the fact that money
been paid by Mr.. Bccchcr In this matter" That IL
not the form Of the conversations excuse me- said, 81
don't how this that full history Of the
has to he stated without resulting In serious injury
To You" lie said "Howi What DO you mean" Isaid,
the fact Mr. Moulton. that money has been paid
by Mr. Beccher in ths matter" Said he. "Mr Beecher
had no business TO tel you about that money that was
matter Of confidence between Mr. Bcocher aud myself
Mr. Tilton knows nothing Of that money aud II IL very
thing in Mr. Bcccher 10 have told you ~ u :" and
he became somewhat excited In his remarks. and felt
ton from Mr. Beecher in regard TO that money lie said.
81 you didn't get II from him. whom did you get u
fromP' hcsitated TO answer lie pressed me very
strongly 10 tell him. and finally said. %" got II from
your partner, Mr. Moulton. Mr. Woodruff"
Q. Mr.. Franklin Woodruff 4. Mr.. Franklin WOODBURY..
IIc tho first who informed mo Of tho fact
that money had been paid for Mr. Tton.
He then made remarks about Mr. Woodruff
for having told and sad again that that matter
Of strict confidence between himself and Mr. Bcooher.
aud that he had denied tho payment Of that money, and
that Mr. Beccher must. said TO him, II will be very
easy for Mr. BceChcr not 10 state the payment Of that
money Mr. Moulton provided he ia not required 10 give
history OF this but Mr. Bcocber ia compelled to
mako before tho public full statement ~ this caso
dont 800 how no conceal tho fact that money has
been paid, and If that fact tnspres. think will do
you great injury" That ia the substance of that inter
view.
A Juror Ito Nj Eyartsl What was the date OF that
interview.
Mr.. Evarts-U was somewhere between the Goth and
the 30th OF July. OF ast year.
Tho Witness-I think II WA II was after Mr. T1ton
has given notice through ne Arous that he should make
q statement before tho Committee and tho time for that
statement, think. had been appointed FOR tho goth Of
June and think Il Intermediate those two days
Mr.. Beach-The Goth OF July, you mean.
The wltness-July yes, Cir.
| Mr. EyMts-I said July. fro mo witness When Mr.
Moulton this conversation, said you that Mr. rton
didn't know anything about the payment of money dld
you make any observation TO Mr. Moultoni A. sad Ia
Mr. Mouton that thought that matter that he and
had not better discuss.
@ Well was it any further discussed A. Idopt think
| IL was.
O. Mfr. Monitor has given statement OF this kind asa
part OF conversation between himself and Mt Beecher
told Mr. Beechrr that Mr.. Tracy wanted me 10 COM
municate the fact that had received - from Mr..
Bcechcr Ttou order to stop him from the pub
hcation OF his statement
Did ANYTHING OF that kind occuri A. did not say 70
Mr Moulton that desired him 10 communicate that to
Mr. Tnton lie may have inferred It from what dfd say
Q. Well, what you did say you have stated A nave
stated.
@ You did no, say anything otherwise on that point
A. No. Sir.
O. Mr. Mouiton SAYS reading;
I said when Mr. Tracy wanted me 70 tcll nr Titon.
that that would be serious einOa snleht 10 me per
money and said To Mr. Beecher that told Mr. Tracy
that was perfectly willing to be guided by nm WIN
sound advice. with any moral, good re1son-with any
good reason. and would cooperate WIN nm 20 ndf j
Theodore Tilton not 10 publish ms 9 1 st"p ne
publication. Mr.. Tracy told me that woui eas" . I
trouble m Was MAS, p cs Ic ironbe That bad
wrong and didn't fear any trouble that "o"d 'o'o
nj, Thar occur between Won and Mr.. Moufoni A. MOI
oxccnt az hay. stated Idont think II occurred "S "0
has stated. 49,, ,,
@ Did he make any statement TO you ln', :, ror,,e,
copsed him trouble il must cause MN 'rouo'
| dnn'ft
~ ,,, a. rvouId cause him trouble tiat IL "o"i'
, nous ipinry 10 him TO have that fact pho'S"'
NAV have said II it does transplre ana Injuries M
I 7 can stand IT, or something of that klnd i"o" -.
! ,. thot. but he said that Mr. Beech'r in'S' ""'
u. D. sbouh deny it, and Mr.. Beecher must to'h
him that didn't think Mr. Beecher "ou'u "'"'
,orcod 10 make a statement, ORR nc
Ar Reach-rhat was not called for, sir
Mr. Evarts-IIc has already satedlt'
Mr. Reach-I know has already said H. and therefore
tore s no necessity for repeating II WITHOUT ts peiDS
called for.
Mr. Evarts-It is qualified statement.
Mr. Beach-It part OF the argument
Mr. Eyarts-Was anything else said at this interview
between YOU and Mr.. Mouon in regard 10 Mr. Tltons
beinc informed or knowing thing Of this matter OF the
money other than what you have staedi A. think
not think he simply made the remark that Mr. T1ton
knew nothing OF where that money came from That was
his phrase.
O. Well when you disposed OF that branch OF the mat
ter by saying You thought you and he had better not
discuss that OF Mr.. Tltons knowledge In what
FORM SO far as did that between you'll
A. think said in reply TO that: Mr. Moulton, whether
Mr. Titon knew where this money came from or not Isl
matter that you and probably had better not discuss
and don't think lie made any reply TO that.
MIR. TILTON APOLOGIES TO GEN. TRACY.
lido you remember, Mr.. Tracy, after the pas
sage between you and Mr. Tlton before the Committee
Ton the 22d of July think it is said to have been' or
about that mel as your having given pedge-doyou
remember seeing Mr. Tilton again that day A. do.
O. How and under what circumstances saw hum al
Dieter's saloon that day, when was dining
O. There with your family A. There 18th my daugh
ters.
O. Well did he then have anything to say the sub
Iect Of that occurrencel A He did lie came into tho